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| 00:02:04 | Mikachu | gmail sucks, it also seems to default to private reply on mailing lists... |
| 00:02:18 | Mikachu | s/s/s for mailing lists/ |
| 00:02:26 | Tman | does anyone know which -of and -ovc options I need to use mencoder to encode to an mpeg4 (specifically for iTunes)? I have all the scaling stuff but the rest is unclear |
| 00:03:22 | Tman | oh found an example |
| 00:03:43 | Tman | -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vhq:vbitrate=1800 |
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| 00:05:53 | LinusN | would anyone object if i replaced all snprintf/lcd_puts/lcd_update triplets with a printf() call in the ipod bootloader code (like it is on the coldfire targets)? |
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| 00:07:30 | bluebrother | ok, any thoughts on that addition? http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/titlepage4.jpg |
| 00:08:01 | bluebrother | (the line between copyright and license stuff) |
| 00:08:06 | DataGhost | darn apple OS won't boot anymore :X |
| 00:08:22 | DataGhost | i just hope i don't have to restore the _entire_ firmwarepartition |
| 00:08:26 | DataGhost | because that's gonna take ages |
| 00:08:33 | amiconn | ? |
| 00:08:40 | amiconn | Isn't it just 80MB? |
| 00:08:43 | DataGhost | well it just keeps rebooting |
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| 00:08:51 | DataGhost | 130 MB approx |
| 00:09:01 | Zagor | bluebrother: at first glance it looks like noise. perhaps a little less "spectacular"? |
| 00:09:01 | DataGhost | and 'legacy' diskmode only does about 170 kB/s |
| 00:09:17 | amiconn | bluebrother: I can't access that url |
| 00:09:25 | amiconn | Just times out... |
| 00:09:25 | Bagder | me neither |
| 00:09:25 | DataGhost | i just hope it chokes on 'a partition in its space' |
| 00:09:40 | * | Zagor took it first |
| 00:09:43 | bluebrother | you can't access that? Strange. |
| 00:09:53 | Zagor | I can |
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| 00:10:50 | Llorean | Times out for me as well |
| 00:11:29 | DataGhost | oh |
| 00:11:32 | amiconn | The hostname doesn't resolve here |
| 00:11:34 | DataGhost | lol I get it amiconn :) |
| 00:11:42 | DataGhost | fdisk did some fubar |
| 00:11:55 | DataGhost | /dev/sda2 64260 156301487 312474456 b W95 FAT32 <- that's what I was able to do with fdisk |
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| 00:12:03 | DataGhost | /dev/sda2 64260 39070079 78011640 b W95 FAT32 <- that's my backup |
| 00:12:18 | DataGhost | :) |
| 00:12:34 | amiconn | Meh, scrap that |
| 00:13:33 | bluebrother | hmm. Sounds like my university has some problems with that machine then ;) |
| 00:13:46 | DataGhost | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 2432 cylinders, total 39075372 sectors |
| 00:13:47 | bluebrother | too bad I don't have other webspace available quickly. |
| 00:13:47 | DataGhost | Last sector or +size or +sizeM or +sizeK (64260-156301487, default 156301487): |
| 00:13:51 | DataGhost | fdisk is very strange |
| 00:14:20 | DataGhost | yay, we have backlight :) |
| 00:14:39 | DataGhost | and appleos |
| 00:14:47 | bluebrother | nice, showing the error logs doesn't work. I guess I'll have to wait a while. |
| 00:14:59 | amiconn | blue_lizard: www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de is a dns round-robin with 3 addresses, none of them work properly but behaviour isn't identical |
| 00:15:06 | Bagder | and we have fixed changelogs in the build table |
| 00:15:10 | amiconn | @bluebrother |
| 00:15:14 | Bagder | and using revs seems to work |
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| 00:15:57 | bluebrother | I know it's a round robin. They provide a script to collect all apache messages, but that seems to not work atm also |
| 00:16:02 | amiconn | pingable |
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| 00:17:26 | linuxstb_ | It worked for me with wget... I've uploaded it here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/titlepage4.jpg |
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| 00:21:48 | Zagor | linuxstb_: I don't know if you saw earlier, but the mime types are fixed |
| 00:23:03 | linuxstb_ | Zagor: No, I missed that, thanks. |
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| 00:25:51 | * | bluebrother notices the late time once more :o |
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| 00:28:25 | afruff23 | Hello, I accidentally cut a red wire in my X5 and I don't know what it does? |
| 00:28:36 | afruff23 | can somebody tell me if that's OK? |
| 00:28:44 | afruff23 | or do I need to resolder it? |
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| 00:29:17 | afruff23 | the wire is a lone red wire that comes from the bottom and attaches at the top at some circuitry |
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| 00:29:59 | vegas6 | resolder couldnt hurt it |
| 00:30:01 | Zagor | afruff23: I have no idea what it's for, but I don't think they put it there just for fun |
| 00:30:42 | afruff23 | yes, but other people have said they cut it by accident as well and had no problems |
| 00:30:47 | afruff23 | jsut want to eb extra safe |
| 00:31:01 | Zagor | if you want to be extra safe, resolder it |
| 00:31:07 | afruff23 | http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?p=108705#post108705 |
| 00:31:17 | afruff23 | read the post I quoted |
| 00:31:57 | linuxstb_ | afruff23: Have you looked at these pages? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioPort |
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| 00:32:07 | afruff23 | yes |
| 00:32:13 | afruff23 | no pictures of the wire |
| 00:32:46 | Zagor | afruff23: what's your point? you say you want to be extra safe. if so, then restore it to original state. it may be unnecessary, but it IS the safer option. |
| 00:34:18 | midgey | eh, how do i change a commit message? |
| 00:34:21 | midgey | svn propedit svn:log −−revprop -r <revision> ? |
| 00:34:36 | afruff23 | it's just that no resoldering experience here, so I'll have to give it to someone else |
| 00:35:47 | afruff23 | for resoldering, they would just need to unplug the battery, strip the wire a little, reheat the solder, put the wire in the solder, and wait for it to cool? |
| 00:36:24 | Zagor | yes, if it is cut in one end |
| 00:36:33 | afruff23 | that's how it is |
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| 00:40:57 | LinusN | time to sleep, nite all |
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| 00:41:32 | afruff23 | I think found out what the wire is: |
| 00:41:38 | afruff23 | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=07938a6e9cc299c1c80e494de90e8c38&topic=5002.0;prev_next=next |
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| 00:42:11 | afruff23 | it's the subpack wire |
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| 01:09:57 | perldiver | is there a source for rockbox logos? |
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| 01:11:26 | Plouj | hi |
| 01:11:31 | Plouj | when did iriver stop making h320's? |
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| 01:11:59 | preglow | quite a while ago |
| 01:12:12 | Plouj | I'd like to know an approximate time |
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| 01:14:54 | Llorean | Plouj: Then you'd be better looking it up on wikipedia or a general internet search. |
| 01:15:19 | Plouj | _you_ are supposed to be my intranets search |
| 01:15:47 | Llorean | Do you pay me? |
| 01:16:51 | preglow | that's one of those rhetorical questions, and you're working on the search right now, yes? |
| 01:17:03 | Plouj | preglow: rofl |
| 01:17:06 | preglow | i'm searching my ass off myself, even as we speak |
| 01:17:07 | San | ZOOM! rofl You got hit by a lol-copter. |
| 01:17:28 | Plouj | preglow: pretty much |
| 01:17:54 | Llorean | I'm contemplating starting a paid tier of Rockbox support. For a nominal $1 per month fee, we will guarantee that when we answer your support questions we won't explain to you how stupid you are in the process. |
| 01:18:14 | Plouj | heh |
| 01:18:23 | preglow | i value being able to tell people they're stupid more than that |
| 01:18:25 | Plouj | that's what all Free Software projects should do |
| 01:18:32 | preglow | i have to maintain my lofty sense of superiority some way |
| 01:18:36 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 01:18:51 | Llorean | There was a guy who actually asked if we paid any of our support people in the forums. |
| 01:19:22 | preglow | of course we do, we're in free software |
| 01:19:24 | preglow | it's all for the cash |
| 01:20:05 | Llorean | Clearly |
| 01:20:56 | perldiver | Llorean can i download rockbox logos somewhere? |
| 01:21:13 | preglow | they're on the wiki some place, afaik |
| 01:21:14 | Llorean | perldiver: What logos were you referring to? |
| 01:21:25 | perldiver | i need the one without the background |
| 01:21:26 | preglow | that is, at least the "official" one is |
| 01:21:48 | perldiver | it it exists |
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| 01:22:57 | Llorean | I don't think one exists without the background |
| 01:23:11 | Llorean | You could just edit the one in the sources for the manual. |
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| 01:24:25 | pixelma | there's also an svg in the source (doen't have the "metal" look but you could easily delete the background with a vector graphics program) |
| 01:24:29 | perldiver | can i have a link please ? |
| 01:25:07 | Llorean | perldiver: It's in the source. Odds are you'd find it as quickly as we. |
| 01:25:24 | gb_lexico | hi all, just reg'd on twiki - can I get write-access (got a wps I'm working on and maybe some how-to ideas) - GeoffBastin on twiki |
| 01:25:48 | pixelma | perldiver: in \rockbox\manual\frontpage |
| 01:25:59 | perldiver | ok thanks |
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| 01:29:20 | Soap | gb_lexico: do you swear on your mother's grave you won't spam? |
| 01:29:41 | gb_lexico | who me?... ;) |
| 01:30:00 | Soap | ok, ok, ok, you convinced me. |
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| 01:30:04 | Soap | you're in. Don |
| 01:30:08 | Soap | 't forget to tip the bouncer. |
| 01:30:15 | gb_lexico | thanks man. |
| 01:30:42 | bkn | hi all! |
| 01:31:31 | scorche | what about the first-born clause? |
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| 01:32:15 | Soap | have you SEEN some of the babies we have gotten from that? |
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| 01:32:41 | scorche | not really |
| 01:32:49 | scorche | i just have tehm sent to the mines |
| 01:33:05 | n1s | shhh, don't tell them about the mines |
| 01:33:10 | Soap | well, only the ones Llorean doesn't eat get sent to the mines. |
| 01:37:36 | bkn | i have been using rockbox recently on my ipod. does anyone else find the interface hard to use? |
| 01:38:32 | Soap | nope |
| 01:38:39 | bkn | heheh. |
| 01:39:03 | Soap | (you didn't /really/ expect a chorus of "Rockbox's interface sucks!" did you?) |
| 01:39:20 | bkn | is there any info on how many users are using the archos vs. the ipod vs. other players? |
| 01:39:53 | bkn | not really, i know that rockbox runs on a lot of devices so perhaps the interface works better on other devices than the iPod. |
| 01:40:29 | Soap | the interface is the same on most all the targets, the difference is mostly one of keymaps. |
| 01:40:39 | Soap | What don't you like about it? |
| 01:40:41 | bkn | though i was thinking that it would be cool to have a way of custumising the interface somehow. |
| 01:41:14 | Soap | what part of the interface? |
| 01:41:35 | Soap | menu placement / structure? |
| 01:41:43 | bkn | on the iPod the 'menu' button seems to toggle from the Settings view to the FileSystem view. I just found the unintuitive. |
| 01:41:44 | Soap | or do you want more eye-candy? |
| 01:42:18 | n1s | zomg! the menu button enters the menu, on noes ;-) |
| 01:42:27 | Soap | yes, Menu takes you in and out of the menu. |
| 01:42:33 | bkn | no, not more eye-candy. I'm not a huge eye-candy guy. I think the Themes work fantastic for those that want eye-candy, |
| 01:42:42 | midgey | bkn: tapping menu on ipod should load the menu, you seem to have loaded the quickscreen |
| 01:42:48 | bkn | ahhh, okay, i see what you guys mean. |
| 01:42:56 | Soap | esp, on the ipods, the number of buttons (or lack thereof) is a hinderance. |
| 01:43:11 | Mouser_X | A lot happened today (it was backed up further than usual). Would anyone please be kind enough to give me some of the higlights? (Reading the logs is very time consuming...) |
| 01:43:18 | Mouser_X | It'd be appreciated... |
| 01:43:28 | bkn | yeah, that's i figured that the number of devices rockbox runs on hinders the interface somewhat. |
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| 01:44:07 | Soap | blackjack escaped from the patch tracker and into SVN. Progress was made on the 80GB iPod front, Llorean was revealed to eat babies. |
| 01:44:11 | bkn | If one were to develop for rockbox do you need an x86 machine? I only have a ppc powerbook. |
| 01:44:18 | sneakums | the ipod keymap look reasonable enough to me, but i haven't had a chance to use it yet (another 80g owner) |
| 01:44:34 | sneakums | bkn: i do rockbox builds on my (linux-running) powerbook and they work fine |
| 01:44:47 | sneakums | i imagine the cross compilers should build fine under os x too |
| 01:44:50 | bkn | sneakums: oh cool. are there docs for that? |
| 01:44:50 | Mouser_X | Soap: Thanks. That was a very, very, breif rundown. I'm impressed. |
| 01:44:56 | Soap | bkn: no, in this case I don't think the hinderance is the number of targets, I think the problem is lack of unique buttons on the ipods. |
| 01:45:00 | sneakums | bkn: i just followed the instructions on thw wiki |
| 01:45:14 | Mouser_X | Soap: What progress was made on the 80 GB iPod? |
| 01:45:14 | Soap | Mouser_X: I think those were the big points of the day. |
| 01:45:26 | Soap | Mouser_X: got IPL to access the drive last night. |
| 01:45:32 | Mouser_X | Oooh! |
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| 01:46:04 | Soap | not the IPL loader, not RB loader, not RB firmware, IPL kernel (assuming I understand fully) LOTS of the talk was on that. |
| 01:46:37 | pixelma | on the Ondio there is even one "button" less if you count scroll forward and back as "button". Still I find the interface quit intuitive :) |
| 01:46:42 | pixelma | *quite |
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| 01:57:58 | pixelma | barrywardell: around? |
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| 02:12:00 | Coag | Alright I'm sure you're faced with questions like this way too often |
| 02:12:08 | Coag | but why are no creative players supported? |
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| 02:12:59 | DogBoy | Coag: is that an offer |
| 02:13:25 | Coag | offer for what? :P |
| 02:13:33 | DogBoy | cash, code, etc |
| 02:13:38 | DogBoy | it's open source eh |
| 02:14:00 | Coag | i can offer to be a cheerleader and egg you guys on at this point that's about it |
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| 02:49:33 | Soap | JdGordon: When is a good time to talk to you about the colinux "image"? |
| 02:49:48 | Soap | JdGordon: PM me if you see this later. |
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| 02:50:08 | Brunellus_lappy | hi there rockboxers |
| 02:50:25 | JdGordon | Soap: whenever |
| 02:50:27 | Mouser_X | Howdy Brunellus_lappy. |
| 02:50:52 | Brunellus_lappy | Is there anywhere I can upload example files that *won't* play in rockbox? |
| 02:51:22 | Soap | ahh, the main question I have is about toporesize. |
| 02:51:23 | Brunellus_lappy | because I'm at my wits' end at figuring out why some of my ogg vorbis files play fine in current builds of rockbox...and others won't. |
| 02:51:56 | Mouser_X | Brunellus_lappy: You can use Yousendit, or Sendspace, or some site like that. |
| 02:52:15 | Soap | I believe I have fully updated the wiki colinux image with all the latest cross-compilers, subversion, make, zip, bzip2, and even a working samba - problem is my image is about 4 gigs. |
| 02:52:21 | Brunellus_lappy | OK. so would it be OK to put the URL to the 'bad' and 'good' files in the Flyspray bug report? |
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| 02:53:08 | Soap | Can I safely toporesize it back down to the minimal - or do I need to do something else from within the image first to pack all the files to the front of the filesystem? |
| 02:53:11 | Mouser_X | I would think so, but it might be wise if you waited for someone else to answer. |
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| 02:53:26 | Mouser_X | @ ^ Brunellus_lappy |
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| 02:53:45 | scorche | Soap: just use 7zip |
| 02:53:46 | Brunellus_lappy | Mouser_X I hope so. seems to be some playback thing. I can't figure it out. |
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| 02:53:52 | scorche | it will take a looooong time though |
| 02:54:05 | Brunellus_lappy | occasionally rbox just coughs up a "no file!" error when I attempt to play the files in question |
| 02:54:08 | JdGordon | Soap: not sure, i dont think you need to do anything.. just make sure the image has 100mb or so free for temp files |
| 02:54:15 | Brunellus_lappy | the native firmware (H340) does just fine. |
| 02:54:19 | JdGordon | .... at least |
| 02:54:24 | Soap | I thought about that - I figured maybe there was a good reason JdGordon had such a small image. |
| 02:54:49 | Soap | yea, I had to grow it quite a bit just to give rockboxdev.sh room to run. |
| 02:55:33 | JdGordon | shrink it with toporesize, then 7zip it |
| 02:55:49 | Brunellus_lappy | any ideas Mouser_X ? |
| 02:55:57 | lostlogic | emerge −−sync && emerge world -DuNvp |
| 02:56:05 | Soap | I also want to thank you again, JdGordon, vmware won't install on my old computer, but colinux runs like a champ. |
| 02:56:30 | JdGordon | :) |
| 02:56:34 | Mouser_X | Brunellus_lappy: I'm not the one to ask about problems. I'm finally installing Rockbox on my player (I've been waiting for it in the mail for a week or so). |
| 02:56:50 | Brunellus_lappy | h'm. |
| 02:56:52 | Mouser_X | In other words, I can't help, sorry. |
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| 02:57:07 | JdGordon | Soap: does the image have ccache installed? |
| 02:57:44 | Soap | no - that was recomended to me earlier today, I have yet to install it. |
| 02:58:06 | JdGordon | yeah, definatly add it.. should help speed things up |
| 02:58:11 | JdGordon | sudo apt-get install ccache |
| 02:59:08 | Brunellus_lappy | foo. otherwise, I love rockbox |
| 02:59:17 | Brunellus_lappy | it's just that now just over half of my oggs won't play |
| 02:59:46 | Llorean | Brunellus_lappy: Run a checkdisk? |
| 02:59:53 | Brunellus_lappy | ? |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:01 | Llorean | Scan the disk for errors. |
| 03:00:03 | Brunellus_lappy | Llorean, files run fine in native iriver firmware |
| 03:00:15 | Llorean | And this is conclusive evidence of what, exactly? |
| 03:00:18 | Soap | I haven't finished reading yet - but I'll need to modify the makefiles or something to ensure ccache is run, eh? |
| 03:00:24 | Llorean | You already said that they only *sometimes* have problems in Rockbox. |
| 03:00:45 | Llorean | Which means it's perfectly reasonable to believe that by sheer chance, you just haven't stumbled across them having problems in the retail firmware yet. |
| 03:01:01 | Brunellus_lappy | Llorean, sorry. bad phrasing. they *Never* play in rockbox. they *always* play in the firmware |
| 03:01:03 | Brunellus_lappy | (stock firmware) |
| 03:01:20 | Llorean | And you're playing them in filetree mode in Rockbox? |
| 03:01:25 | Brunellus_lappy | Llorean, yes. |
| 03:01:38 | Brunellus_lappy | rockbox simply reports "no file!" |
| 03:01:44 | Llorean | And just clicking on them with Navi gets that? |
| 03:01:52 | Brunellus_lappy | Llorean, correct. |
| 03:01:59 | Llorean | Is it all .oggs you have, or just some? |
| 03:02:06 | Brunellus_lappy | just some. |
| 03:02:22 | Llorean | Then there's probably something strange about them. |
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| 03:02:32 | pixelma | do you know what type of tags those files have (working/ not working)? |
| 03:02:43 | Brunellus_lappy | pixelma, no. |
| 03:02:46 | Brunellus_lappy | I did rip them with grip |
| 03:02:52 | terinjokes | am i the only one that has playback mergers using rockbox? |
| 03:03:08 | Brunellus_lappy | anyway. I have to go. back in a bit. |
| 03:03:18 | Llorean | Brunellus_lappy: GRIP is known to be iffy for Ogg/Vorbis. |
| 03:03:21 | Llorean | Have they ever worked? |
| 03:03:34 | terinjokes | ie when playing one song, it suddenly stops, plays a part of another song, then (sometimes) returns to the original song (annoying!) |
| 03:03:58 | Llorean | terinjokes: On what target, with what official build version? |
| 03:04:11 | terinjokes | ipod nano 1G |
| 03:04:41 | terinjokes | 070114-1621 |
| 03:04:41 | Llorean | What official build version? |
| 03:05:03 | Llorean | How long have you been having the prolbem? |
| 03:05:21 | terinjokes | er... since the 14th |
| 03:05:44 | Brunellus_lappy | Llorean, man. iffy? with ogg vorbis |
| 03:05:55 | Brunellus_lappy | are you saying that the only solutoin is to re-rip everything? |
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| 03:06:08 | Brunellus_lappy | what's the iffyness with ogg vorbis? |
| 03:06:27 | Llorean | Brunellus_lappy: I'm saying that grip has been known to produce invalid ogg/vorbis files, specifically it has used ID3 tags on them, and that Rockbox won't accept them. |
| 03:06:28 | terinjokes | and it doesn't happen with every song, just every once in a while |
| 03:06:40 | Llorean | terinjokes: Is there any consistency? |
| 03:07:00 | Brunellus_lappy | Llorean, would retagging the files with EasyTag be a way to fix it? |
| 03:07:10 | Llorean | Brunellus_lappy: If it's the tags, possibly. |
| 03:07:13 | terinjokes | it only jumps when I'm singing (IDK, it happens rather randomly) |
| 03:07:16 | Llorean | Brunellus_lappy: You can check that. |
| 03:07:25 | Soap | If you are having inconsitant problems with vorbis files, checking for the presence of ID3 tags is where you should start. |
| 03:07:32 | Brunellus_lappy | Llorean, thanks. that's the most productive answer I've gotten about it. |
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| 03:07:59 | Brunellus_lappy | Soap: would something like EasyTag put the right tags in? |
| 03:08:00 | Llorean | Brunellus_lappy: Well, sometimes the only answer is "We don't know, file a bug report and try to figure out a way for us to reproduce it", but we do try. |
| 03:08:16 | Brunellus_lappy | or would I have strip all ID3 tags, and how would I go about doing that? |
| 03:08:39 | Llorean | terinjokes: And you're using a build without any patches at all? What settings have you changed? Do any of them seem to affect it? |
| 03:09:01 | Soap | and HydrogenAudio recomends the use of aoTuVb4.51 or newer for encoding vorbis, regardless. |
| 03:09:12 | Brunellus_lappy | anyway, thanks guys. I'll have to have a look at my tagging. |
| 03:09:15 | Llorean | Soap: Isn't grip just a front end anyway? |
| 03:09:19 | sneakums | i use a program called id3v2 to strip id3 tags. people keep putting them on flacs for some reason. |
| 03:09:21 | * | Llorean has never used it. |
| 03:09:24 | Brunellus_lappy | and/or encoding. the only problem is that I hate soundjuicer. |
| 03:09:29 | Soap | Llorean: That I don't know. |
| 03:09:38 | terinjokes | Llorean: the only thing different this time is it was my first install from Linux, otherwise nothing different from before |
| 03:09:56 | Soap | I use oggdrop as my front end, but the more i think about it the more I think you are right that I jumped the gun on grip. |
| 03:10:09 | Llorean | terinjokes: If you're just extracting a downloaded .zip from rockbox.org, then what OS you're running means nothing anyway. |
| 03:10:34 | Llorean | terinjokes: But you didn't answer my question about any settings you're using or whether those settings seem to affect it. |
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| 03:12:00 | terinjokes | Llorean: no patches, using database, with shuffle/repeat:shuffle, play selected song first OFF, otherwise most everything else is default |
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| 03:12:52 | Llorean | terinjokes: What format are your songs? |
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| 03:13:25 | terinjokes | most are mp3 VBR (I have one ACC file) |
| 03:13:38 | Llorean | AAC. |
| 03:13:48 | Llorean | And, is the bit that cuts in from another song, is that from a song from earlier? (Maybe ~30 minutes earlier?) |
| 03:14:09 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:14:16 | terinjokes | no (its from the future!) |
| 03:14:39 | Llorean | Is it consistently about the same number of songs ahead? |
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| 03:15:01 | terinjokes | Llorean: its rather random |
| 03:16:38 | Llorean | terinjokes: Next time it happens, skip forward until you reach the song that it played a little bit of, and then check the audio buffer, and see if that's the last song in the buffer. |
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| 03:17:01 | terinjokes | how would i check the audio buffer? |
| 03:17:12 | Llorean | In the debug menu, audio thread option |
| 03:17:22 | terinjokes | ok |
| 03:17:27 | Llorean | It should start refilling the buffer during that song. |
| 03:17:44 | Llorean | I may be completely wrong, though |
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| 03:18:11 | terinjokes | do you think i should upgrade to the newest SVN (ermm... whatever build.rockbox.org is...)? |
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| 03:18:53 | Llorean | It's always best ti. |
| 03:18:54 | Llorean | to |
| 03:20:15 | Soap | and with the latest you'll get blackjack! the better to lose your worries in a bout of gambling! |
| 03:20:40 | webguest78 | so im getting this -1 error how do i fix it |
| 03:20:59 | terinjokes | ok |
| 03:21:06 | terinjokes | webguest78: what client? |
| 03:21:35 | Llorean | webguest78: You read the manual, because you skipped over an entire section of the install part. |
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| 03:21:59 | Llorean | webguest78: You skipped straight to "Installing the Bootloader" and either ignore "Installing the Firmware" or didn't follow all the directions there explicitly |
| 03:22:13 | webguest78 | yea im screwed |
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| 03:22:22 | webguest78 | or can i fix it |
| 03:22:24 | Llorean | Hm? It's not fatal. |
| 03:22:31 | Llorean | You just connect to USB, and finish the install. |
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| 03:23:01 | lachlan | Llorean: may i ask you a question? |
| 03:23:08 | Llorean | lachlan: Certainly. |
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| 03:23:50 | webguest08 | How do I install Loader2? |
| 03:24:22 | Llorean | webguest08: We do not provide support for Loader2, as it's not our software |
| 03:24:26 | mattie47 | Hi everyone. Any new news about rockbox on the gigabeat within the last 10 days? |
| 03:24:40 | lachlan | I just (accidentally) plugged a Rockbox'd iPod 5G into a wall charger and now it has entered the reboot cycle. How do I get out of it, or alternatively what is a safe time to disconnect the player form the charger without doing any damage? |
| 03:24:41 | webguest08 | Do you know where I can get support? |
| 03:24:52 | Soap | mattie47: too much to recount easily. |
| 03:24:53 | webguest78 | so how do i extract those files that i forgot when it doesnt know the ipod is there |
| 03:25:08 | Soap | webguest08: #ipodlinux |
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| 03:25:16 | Llorean | webguest78: Boot into disk mode using Menu+Select to reboot, and Play+Select to enter disk mode. |
| 03:25:19 | webguest08 | Will it work on Rockbox? |
| 03:25:33 | Soap | what ipod do you have webguest08? |
| 03:25:39 | | Quit mattie47 (Client Quit) |
| 03:25:40 | webguest08 | V5 |
| 03:25:42 | webguest08 | 30 GP |
| 03:25:44 | webguest08 | GB |
| 03:25:51 | webguest78 | oh nice! thanks alot |
| 03:25:51 | Soap | gen 5 or 5.5? |
| 03:25:56 | webguest08 | 5 |
| 03:26:02 | Soap | then you |
| 03:26:02 | Soap | yes |
| 03:26:13 | webguest08 | thanks |
| 03:26:16 | webguest08 | k |
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| 03:26:32 | Llorean | Soap: Does the bitrate really make a huge difference? I've noticed that halving the bitrate barely increased my FPS. |
| 03:27:05 | lachlan | Sorry to repeat my question, but it didn't recieve an answer the first time: "I just (accidentally) plugged a Rockbox'd iPod 5G into a wall charger and now it has entered the reboot cycle. How do I get out of it, or alternatively what is a safe time to disconnect the player form the charger without doing any damage?" |
| 03:27:19 | Llorean | lachlan: Sorry, somehow I read right past it last time. |
| 03:27:24 | Llorean | I'm slightly out of it tonight. |
| 03:27:38 | Soap | really? I've come to the conclusion the only reason those wiki encodes were faster than mine was they were VBR. If I compared average bitrates at the _end_ of the movie, I could match their speed everytime. |
| 03:27:38 | Llorean | lachlan: Any point is safe to unplug it. |
| 03:27:54 | lachlan | Ok, thanks |
| 03:28:28 | Llorean | Soap: As a note, my bitrates are very low already, as I'm encoding a low quality TV encode at Nano resolution, and I think the bitrates I tried were 320 and 160 |
| 03:28:44 | Llorean | Since I wasn't too concerned with video quality, I just wanted output filesize to fit a certain goal |
| 03:30:33 | Soap | I'm sure there is a point of diminished returns where video bitrate plays such a small part going lower won't help, but I was playing with 250-750 bitrates on 224x128 encodes. |
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| 03:31:51 | Soap | and I quite convinced the reason those "wiki" encodes were appearing to beat everything I could produce was simply because I was sampling FPS numbers too early on, before all the high-motion scenes. |
| 03:32:33 | Soap | Really disapointing, in a way. I was hopeful there was a "magic" set of encoder tweaks I could do to gain some speed improvements. |
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| 03:33:19 | AndreSmith | Hi, guys i was wondering people at thesansa forums have managed to get rockboy working on the e200. how would i go about changing the keys for it? |
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| 03:40:03 | | Quit webguest78 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") |
| 03:40:03 | midgey | AndreSmith: rockboy works in SVN, the file you want to edit is ./apps/plugins/rockboy/rockboy.c |
| 03:40:31 | AndreSmith | Thanks |
| 03:44:30 | AndreSmith | So All Ill have to do is alter this part: |
| 03:44:32 | AndreSmith | #elif CONFIG_KEYPAD == SANSA_E200_PAD |
| 03:44:32 | AndreSmith | options.A=BUTTON_SELECT; |
| 03:44:32 | AndreSmith | options.B=BUTTON_REC; |
| 03:44:32 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK AndreSmith |
| 03:44:32 | AndreSmith | options.START=BUTTON_SCROLL_UP; |
| 03:44:32 | AndreSmith | options.SELECT=BUTTON_SCROLL_DOWN; |
| 03:44:34 | AndreSmith | options.MENU=BUTTON_POWER; |
| 03:44:41 | midgey | yes |
| 03:44:43 | Llorean | It's not generally polite to paste into the channel |
| 03:45:34 | AndreSmith | Sorry (?) |
| 03:47:05 | Llorean | Usually we use pastebin.ca or something similar |
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| 03:47:20 | AndreSmith | OK, Ill keep that in mind :) |
| 03:48:03 | Llorean | Thanks |
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| 03:48:44 | Siryus | heh I have a noob question |
| 03:49:03 | Siryus | rockbox error -1? |
| 03:49:12 | Siryus | what do I do about that? |
| 03:49:12 | | Part debauched_slot1 |
| 03:49:14 | midgey | you didnt extract the firmware |
| 03:49:22 | midgey | you just installed the boot loader |
| 03:49:28 | Siryus | ....ah |
| 03:49:34 | Brunellus_lappy | hi guys me again. |
| 03:49:38 | Siryus | so you advice would be to... |
| 03:49:45 | Brunellus_lappy | is there any way to convert id3 tags to ogg vorbis tags? |
| 03:49:50 | midgey | 1. read the manual |
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| 03:49:58 | Siryus | good idea |
| 03:49:58 | Llorean | Siryus: Read the whole installation section of the manual, rather than just the part that you did. |
| 03:49:58 | midgey | 2. connect your device to a computer |
| 03:50:11 | midgey | 3. download rockbox and extract it to you player |
| 03:50:26 | Siryus | k |
| 03:50:27 | Siryus | brb |
| 03:50:38 | Brunellus_lappy | holy cow |
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| 03:51:31 | Siryus | will I have to reintsall my old settings and re do everything? |
| 03:51:41 | webguest69 | what up, i have a favor...can someone grant me write access? my name is Travis Harris |
| 03:51:52 | midgey | what settings? |
| 03:51:57 | Siryus | nvm |
| 03:52:09 | Siryus | will I have to uninstall the boot loader |
| 03:52:17 | midgey | no |
| 03:52:19 | Siryus | and start from stratch |
| 03:52:21 | Siryus | ok |
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| 03:53:05 | Siryus | oh duh |
| 03:53:09 | Siryus | I got it |
| 03:53:10 | Siryus | thanks |
| 03:53:36 | Siryus | you could have just said put rockbox.zip into my ipod folder |
| 03:54:11 | Siryus | oh |
| 03:54:22 | Siryus | I didnt tell you I was using an ipod.. |
| 03:54:25 | Siryus | my bad |
| 03:54:27 | midgey | you have to extract the zip file |
| 03:54:40 | Siryus | extract it |
| 03:54:43 | Siryus | ok |
| 03:54:55 | midgey | using winzip or 7zip or something similar |
| 03:55:49 | Siryus | yeah |
| 03:56:11 | Siryus | into the folder on my ipod and not the one in my c drive? |
| 03:56:37 | midgey | onto the ipod (not the ipod_control folder) |
| 03:56:56 | Siryus | alright thankyou |
| 03:57:07 | Siryus | you are very helpfull |
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| 04:01:24 | Siryus | hmm |
| 04:01:36 | Soap | Siryus: out of curiosity...how did you learn about rockbox? |
| 04:02:13 | Siryus | I was looking for a way to mod my ipod |
| 04:02:25 | Siryus | so I googled it |
| 04:02:38 | Soap | cool, just curious. |
| 04:02:54 | Siryus | and since linux hadnt made a stable release for video ipods I looked into rockbox |
| 04:04:05 | Siryus | ok, so I extracted the rockbox zip into my ipod folder but it still says rockbox error -1 |
| 04:04:28 | Siryus | do I need to put the rockbox folder into any folder thats already on my ipod? |
| 04:04:28 | Llorean | In the root of your ipod, is there rockbox.ipod and a folder named .rockbox? |
| 04:04:36 | Llorean | There should not be a "rockbox" folder |
| 04:05:05 | Siryus | there is a folder named rockbox. |
| 04:05:10 | Siryus | or .rockbox |
| 04:05:19 | Siryus | yes |
| 04:05:28 | Llorean | There is a folder named .rockbox, NOT rockbox |
| 04:05:42 | Siryus | yeah |
| 04:05:45 | Llorean | If you extract the zip improperly, your zip program may make a rockbox folder and put .rockbox and rockbox.ipod in it. |
| 04:06:26 | Siryus | ok |
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| 04:08:12 | Llorean | So, if the iPod is F:\, you should have F:\rockbox.ipod and F:\.rockbox |
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| 04:10:32 | lostlogic | is svn.rockbox.org also the new master build server? |
| 04:12:28 | Siryus | I only have I:\.rockbox |
| 04:12:38 | Siryus | not rockbox.ipod |
| 04:12:54 | Siryus | do I need to get that one seperately? |
| 04:12:56 | Llorean | Siryus: What's in .rockbox? |
| 04:13:38 | Siryus | backdrops |
| 04:13:45 | Siryus | codecs |
| 04:13:50 | Siryus | codepages |
| 04:13:54 | Llorean | So you've somehow extracted it improperly |
| 04:13:54 | Siryus | docs |
| 04:13:59 | Siryus | ah |
| 04:14:01 | Siryus | ok |
| 04:14:06 | Siryus | ill re do that |
| 04:14:23 | goffa | anyone know the biggest hd that you can stick into the x5l at the moment is? |
| 04:14:45 | Llorean | goffa: 80 |
| 04:15:02 | Brunellus | does anyone know offhand if it is possible to have *both* id3v2 tags *and* vorbis comments on the same ogg vorbis file |
| 04:15:03 | Llorean | goffa: Wait, x5l is the battery life one, right? |
| 04:15:04 | goffa | in the L? do you have to remove a battery for that? |
| 04:15:07 | Llorean | goffa: 40 |
| 04:15:09 | goffa | oh ok |
| 04:15:20 | Llorean | I believe a 50 single platter is supposed to be on the horizon though |
| 04:15:22 | goffa | hmm... |
| 04:16:05 | goffa | contemplating either a new hd for the x5l or getting another 60gb gigabeat |
| 04:16:19 | goffa | probably going to wind up going with the gigabeat |
| 04:16:59 | Siryus | ok got it |
| 04:17:02 | Siryus | fixed |
| 04:17:04 | Siryus | im loded |
| 04:17:09 | Siryus | loaded* |
| 04:17:17 | Siryus | and thanks a ton you guys |
| 04:17:25 | Siryus | you really helped me out |
| 04:17:47 | Siryus | ok |
| 04:17:49 | Siryus | so uhh |
| 04:18:03 | Siryus | I have calenders contacts and notes |
| 04:18:12 | Siryus | nvm |
| 04:18:20 | Siryus | i'll just read the manuall |
| 04:18:24 | Siryus | manual* |
| 04:20:25 | sneakums | Brunellus: there's nothing to stop you putting an id3 block on an ogg vorbis file, but i wouldn't expect it to work with much software |
| 04:21:12 | Soap | Brunellus: I know you can do ID3v1, ID3v2, and APE on a Mp3, so I gotta believe you can do vorbis comments and ID3v2 on an ogg. |
| 04:21:27 | Brunellus | excellent. I think I might have solved my problem |
| 04:21:52 | Brunellus | the 'id3' box was ticked in GRIP, so grip put id3 info on all the vorbis files I encoded with it |
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| 04:22:17 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 04:22:17 | * | midgey readies a big manual commit |
| 04:22:38 | Brunellus | so in theory, stripping the id3 block from the affected files should make them rockbox-friendly, right |
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| 04:23:19 | sneakums | my ogg vorbis files do not have id3 tags and they work in rockbox, so yes, that should certainly help |
| 04:25:13 | midgey | eh i somehow triggered a build |
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| 04:26:54 | firecrotc1 | Hi, I'm trying to install Rockbox on my video Ipod |
| 04:27:36 | firecrotc1 | ipodpatcher is giving me an error, saying the the drive is not an iPod (I'm doing this from Linux) |
| 04:27:41 | midgey | have you read our lovely manual |
| 04:27:53 | midgey | alright then |
| 04:28:44 | Brunellus | w00t |
| 04:28:53 | midgey | are you following the instructions on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
| 04:28:58 | Llorean | firecrotc1: Does the iPod have anything interesting installed on it, or is it pure apple firmware? |
| 04:29:11 | firecrotc1 | Llorean: it's pure Apple |
| 04:29:29 | firecrotc1 | midgey: I'm using the instructions on http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
| 04:30:04 | Llorean | firecrotc1: And it's Fat32 formatted? |
| 04:30:23 | firecrotc1 | Yes |
| 04:31:19 | Llorean | firecrotc1: And you've never installed anything on this iPod before? |
| 04:31:31 | firecrotc1 | Llorean: never |
| 04:32:23 | midgey | what part are you on? 2.2.3 part 5? |
| 04:33:10 | firecrotc1 | midgey: That's correct. Trying to create the backup of my firmware |
| 04:33:31 | firecrotc1 | Sorry, that's part 7 that I'm on |
| 04:33:38 | Llorean | firecrotc1: And ipodpatcher −−scan says what? |
| 04:34:48 | firecrotc1 | Okay, I think I know what's wrong... I'm using /dev/sda2 (as that is what the device shows up as in Linux) |
| 04:34:56 | firecrotc1 | −−scan gives me /dev/sda |
| 04:35:11 | firecrotc1 | So I should be using /dev/sda in the commands rather than /dev/sda2? |
| 04:35:25 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 04:35:29 | firecrotc1 | Thanks |
| 04:35:35 | Llorean | /sda2 is a specific partition on the device. |
| 04:35:41 | Llorean | /sda is the device as a whole |
| 04:35:47 | firecrotc1 | Gotcha :) |
| 04:35:49 | Llorean | Which is why we tell you to use the −−scan option first. |
| 04:35:52 | Llorean | :) |
| 04:37:11 | firecrotc1 | Llorean: well, it does say (Windows users only) :P |
| 04:37:48 | firecrotc1 | The directions could be a little more clear for Linux users |
| 04:38:31 | firecrotc1 | Though I suppose if I had read through the Mac OS X instructions I would have realized that it wanted just the device, not the partition |
| 04:39:51 | bonbonthejon | on the web page, under svn changes, do changes with gigabeat in the name also apply to ipod? |
| 04:40:03 | goffa | bonbonthejon: no |
| 04:40:06 | firecrotc1 | Does rockbox not recognize music that was already on the ipod? |
| 04:40:33 | goffa | firecrotc1: it sees it.. but you probably have to create a playlist |
| 04:40:40 | bonbonthejon | goffa: that stinks, I saw one that said it fixed some screen lines and crashing |
| 04:41:04 | goffa | bonbonthejon: yeah.. well you shouldn't have that problem on other targets in the first place |
| 04:41:54 | bonbonthejon | goffa: my ipod gets screen lines and randomly crashes or freezes, is that what you mean |
| 04:41:54 | firecrotc1 | When I go to "media" no files show up at all |
| 04:42:12 | goffa | bonbonthejon: no .. the oppsite |
| 04:42:25 | Soap | with a name like firecrotch... |
| 04:42:28 | goffa | like it shouldnt crash and have screen lines |
| 04:42:48 | bonbonthejon | goffa: well, it still does |
| 04:43:34 | goffa | bonbonthejon: can you reproduce the problem? if so.. a dev could look into it (maybe they are.. i don't keep up on ipod) |
| 04:44:17 | bonbonthejon | goffa: the screen lines happen on boot and then wear off, the freezes are random, I can't tell a pattern |
| 04:44:49 | goffa | ah... the ones on the gigabeat were happening on the wps |
| 04:45:03 | Soap | bonbonthejon: 4th gen or mini 1st gen? |
| 04:45:13 | bonbonthejon | Soap: 4g greyscale |
| 04:45:48 | Soap | bonbonthejon: there is an unsupported build in the forums, mikeage's (I think I spelled it right) which helps with the crashes. |
| 04:46:11 | Soap | The lines...I think there is a patch in the tracker I saw the other day about that - I don't know as I don't have a 4th. |
| 04:46:19 | bonbonthejon | Soap: ok, ill look into it |
| 04:46:30 | firecrotc1 | Okay, I found my songs, but they all have file names like IHGO.mp3. Can Rockbox read the iTunes DB? |
| 04:47:08 | goffa | firecrotc1: not to my knowledge |
| 04:47:14 | goffa | do they all have id3 tags? |
| 04:47:25 | goffa | if so, you can enable tagcache |
| 04:47:33 | goffa | and it'll read id3 |
| 04:47:35 | firecrotc1 | How do I enable tagcache? |
| 04:47:49 | Soap | firecrotch, read the manual, specificly all of it, but the part you want is about "Database" |
| 04:47:59 | BiptoN | bonbonthejon: i believe the 4g grayscale and photo's have an issue when cpu scaling is on |
| 04:48:11 | bonbonthejon | BiptoN: can I disable it? |
| 04:48:12 | BiptoN | random lockups and reboots |
| 04:48:15 | BiptoN | yeah |
| 04:48:29 | BiptoN | did you compile the source yourself? |
| 04:48:35 | bonbonthejon | BiptoN: no, daily build |
| 04:48:51 | bonbonthejon | from an hour ago |
| 04:49:13 | BiptoN | you want one of my builds? |
| 04:49:20 | BiptoN | i've been trying to get mine stable |
| 04:49:42 | BiptoN | i've been able to get it to play til battery dies with scaling on |
| 04:49:59 | bonbonthejon | BiptoN: i guess |
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| 04:55:09 | BiptoN | bonbonthejon: what bootloader did you grab? |
| 04:55:47 | bonbonthejon | BiptoN: how can i find out |
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| 04:56:25 | BiptoN | did you use the one that the how-to linked you to? |
| 04:57:12 | bonbonthejon | I installed a couple weeks ago, but I've updated the build, not the bootloader |
| 04:57:34 | bonbonthejon | I know theres two, I used the supported one |
| 04:58:09 | BiptoN | i'll upload you a bootloader from todays svn also if you want to try |
| 04:58:18 | BiptoN | i think you need an updated one for the cop build |
| 04:58:30 | bonbonthejon | BiptoN: how do update the bootloader |
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| 05:00:36 | BiptoN | did you use ipodpatcher to load it last time? |
| 05:00:45 | bonbonthejon | yeah, but not on this computer |
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| 05:15:30 | BiptoN | bonbonthejon: rockbox_cop_scaling.tar of size 3.213 MB http://www.filefactory.com/file/19baa7/ |
| 05:15:43 | BiptoN | rockbox_noscaling_svn.tar of size 3.223 MB http://www.filefactory.com/file/a194e7/ |
| 05:15:54 | BiptoN | rockbox_scaling_svn.tar of size 3.232 MB http://www.filefactory.com/file/ac74b4/ |
| 05:16:11 | BiptoN | bootloader-ipod4g.ipod of size 0.057 MB http://www.filefactory.com/file/4c4d4b/ |
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| 05:17:00 | bonbonthejon | BiptoN: how do I update the bootloader |
| 05:18:06 | BiptoN | i think you can just use ipodpatcher |
| 05:18:11 | BiptoN | and execute the command |
| 05:18:36 | BiptoN | ./ipodpatcher /dev/sdx -a bootloader-ipod4g.ipod |
| 05:18:47 | BiptoN | unless your in windows or whatever |
| 05:19:12 | bonbonthejon | BiptoN: I'll have to do it later |
| 05:19:16 | BiptoN | i think that'll overwirte the one on there already, maybe someone can verify or confirm that |
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| 05:19:28 | BiptoN | you only need the new bootloader for the cop build |
| 05:19:53 | Llorean | The official bootloader works for the COP patch. |
| 05:20:09 | Llorean | As long as you're using the recent version with a black background. |
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| 05:26:02 | hcs | Is anyone around who could consider adding the NSF decoder (FS #6122) to SVN? It is at about (I think) the same level as the SID player at this point. |
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| 05:29:27 | DownStrik | can anyone help with my gigabeat f10???? |
| 05:30:33 | Mouser_X | What's the question? |
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| 05:31:13 | hcs | If the question is gigabeat, the answer is yes. |
| 05:31:29 | BiptoN | llorean: thank you |
| 05:31:54 | DownStrik | because my gigabeat f10 its giving me "no system on hdd" |
| 05:32:19 | DownStrik | and the only firmware that i fin its the JP but its says cand update... |
| 05:33:55 | hotwire_ | something is wrong with the latest build on the gigabeat... it gets as far as "rockbox loaded" and then the screen is essentially unresponsive... although buttons do appear to respond, as does music. |
| 05:34:07 | combrains | make sure that you have a file called FWIMG01.dat in the /gbsystem/fwimg folder |
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| 05:35:56 | combrains | hotwire_, i was just reading on the rockbox front page that they were playing with CPU scaling earlier to day |
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| 05:36:12 | DownStrik | i am trying to find the gigabeat US firmware... |
| 05:36:17 | | Part AndreSmith |
| 05:36:18 | combrains | apaently it was causing problems so they took it out of SVN again |
| 05:37:13 | DownStrik | anyone have the gb system folder for us version |
| 05:38:00 | combrains | DownStrik, you can d/l it form toshiba |
| 05:38:13 | DownStrik | they only have the JP and AU |
| 05:38:13 | combrains | then put rockbox over the top |
| 05:38:20 | combrains | then get AU |
| 05:38:35 | DownStrik | it dont let me. |
| 05:38:51 | DownStrik | because the page its like 1kb dowload.... its very slow |
| 05:39:18 | combrains | you should be able to get the setup file for it |
| 05:39:55 | combrains | DownStrik, Why do you want the folder for the US firmware if you have RB? |
| 05:40:06 | DownStrik | believe i try ....for hours looking |
| 05:41:02 | combrains | all the defult firmwares are the same except that they are protected for different reigons (for some strange reason) |
| 05:41:04 | DownStrik | i install rockbox like some minutes ago... but i want also to fix the original firmware... because this was sell to my as is |
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| 05:41:29 | combrains | does rb boot? |
| 05:41:33 | DownStrik | i know the protected thing its was bothering me |
| 05:41:58 | DownStrik | it boot .. and i only can see its gbsystem and rockbox in the top |
| 05:41:58 | DownStrik | thats it |
| 05:42:34 | combrains | thats because you have nothing else on the HDD |
| 05:42:57 | combrains | its a filebrowser - not an mp3 library |
| 05:43:29 | DownStrik | ohh i see... i am trying everything... thats why i also whant to see the original firmware |
| 05:43:58 | DownStrik | your program is great what i see on the page.. but i want to see the original |
| 05:44:05 | combrains | if you put a folder with some music on the player, it will show up in the filebrowser and then you can play it |
| 05:44:31 | combrains | the original is easier to use in some respects but that is about it |
| 05:44:31 | DownStrik | yes that what i see like a linux system |
| 05:44:48 | DownStrik | thats what i heard... |
| 05:44:52 | combrains | its playback quality is not that graet compared to RB |
| 05:45:33 | DownStrik | but there will be other people here using the gB and they are not computer friendly... and i see with the rb i can use both... |
| 05:45:39 | DownStrik | thats why i am into |
| 05:46:34 | DownStrik | where you think i can find the GBSYTEM folder |
| 05:46:37 | hotwire_ | combrains: i noticed that on the front page too... I guess they just missed finishing undoing it |
| 05:46:57 | combrains | as far as Im aware, the gb port of rockbox doesnt support duel booting yet |
| 05:47:07 | combrains | but you can RESTORE the original firmware while running rb |
| 05:47:21 | DownStrik | ohhh thats what i see i think it was a dual booting |
| 05:47:27 | combrains | im just not sure that you can boot back into rb afterwards |
| 05:47:37 | DownStrik | but i still have it here.... |
| 05:47:41 | DownStrik | on my disk |
| 05:48:13 | combrains | hotwire_, did you use latest SVN and bootloader? |
| 05:48:25 | combrains | bootlaoder was updated today as well |
| 05:48:54 | combrains | although on second thought, the new bootloader could be the problen |
| 05:49:13 | combrains | DownStrik, you have the original FW on disk? |
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| 05:51:43 | KCC | what are the changes for the newest bootloader? |
| 05:52:39 | KCC | just a new bootsplash? |
| 05:55:15 | combrains | and a few other minor things i think |
| 05:57:28 | Nimdae | kermit may be getting an upgrade soon :D |
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| 06:01:53 | hotwire_ | combrains: yes, i'm already on the bootloader from a few days ago |
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| 06:02:07 | hotwire_ | and as i said, this is on the latest build |
| 06:02:49 | combrains | there was a new bootloader posted today |
| 06:05:30 | hotwire_ | another one? |
| 06:06:47 | combrains | 7 Jan 2007 - 02:40 |
| 06:07:01 | hotwire_ | okay, i just saw in on the wiki page |
| 06:07:17 | combrains | might help your problem a little |
| 06:07:17 | hotwire_ | there needs to be a better system for informing when there are bootloader updates |
| 06:08:27 | combrains | im gonna build my own anyway when I SVN up |
| 06:08:45 | combrains | but my player is doing a battery benchmark ATM :( |
| 06:08:46 | hotwire_ | yikes... that's a jump from 64k to 215k |
| 06:08:59 | combrains | thats the new splash screen |
| 06:09:10 | hotwire_ | wasn't it bill gates that said 64k is more than anyone will ever need? |
| 06:09:19 | hcs | 640 |
| 06:09:22 | hcs | iirc |
| 06:09:27 | combrains | hehe |
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| 06:10:45 | combrains | hotwire_, see also if the stereo reversal bug is still present |
| 06:10:59 | combrains | gotthardt's been trying to squash it |
| 06:11:25 | hotwire_ | well, it gets to the new splash screen, and then the screen freezes again |
| 06:11:47 | perldiver | hotwire_ dont get the svn build |
| 06:11:51 | perldiver | its broken |
| 06:11:54 | perldiver | get daily builds |
| 06:12:01 | hotwire_ | NOW he tells me |
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| 06:12:11 | combrains | ah - is that why people have been complaining |
| 06:12:12 | perldiver | hope you guys like the new splash screen though hehe |
| 06:12:14 | hotwire_ | daily still okay? |
| 06:12:23 | perldiver | yes daily is OK |
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| 06:12:33 | Siryus | what folder to you install updated fonts in? |
| 06:12:37 | combrains | hotwire_, do you have SVN? |
| 06:12:57 | combrains | Siryus, ./rockbox/fonts i believe |
| 06:13:08 | combrains | doh |
| 06:13:11 | Siryus | ...I didnt see that folder |
| 06:13:29 | hotwire_ | no, i've just been downloading the latest from build.rockbox.org |
| 06:13:49 | combrains | get an SVN client if you can and build your own from source |
| 06:13:55 | hotwire_ | say... shouldn't the link on the rockbox.org sidebar be changed to "svn build" from "cvs build" |
| 06:14:09 | combrains | prabably will when its all complete |
| 06:14:11 | Siryus | ..... |
| 06:14:16 | Siryus | still dont see it |
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| 06:14:20 | hotwire_ | combrains: no worries. No rush... i'll just wait until tmr when the svn is fixed. |
| 06:14:26 | combrains | they are trying to scramble to change instuction etc on the wike now too |
| 06:14:58 | Siryus | their is no fonts folder |
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| 06:15:16 | combrains | Siryus, are you on windows or linux |
| 06:15:21 | combrains | oh |
| 06:16:03 | Siryus | windows |
| 06:16:27 | sujdik | ./.rockbox/fonts |
| 06:16:57 | sujdik | ...as combrains said =p |
| 06:17:11 | combrains | then you should see it clearly - unless you didn't install the fonts to start with |
| 06:18:16 | Siryus | ... |
| 06:18:23 | Siryus | and if I didnt? |
| 06:18:52 | combrains | then you should - and there probably won't be a font folder |
| 06:18:59 | combrains | if you didnt |
| 06:19:04 | Siryus | link? |
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| 06:20:32 | combrains | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts-20070116.zip |
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| 06:21:14 | perldiver | hotwire_ got it working now? |
| 06:21:35 | Siryus | thank you |
| 06:21:43 | combrains | np :) |
| 06:21:58 | hotwire_ | perldiver: i'll just wait until the bugs are out and the next build is up.... no rush |
| 06:22:31 | combrains | the build isn't broken - the rb build servers are breaking it for some reason |
| 06:22:38 | perldiver | well the major change got backed up anyway |
| 06:22:43 | combrains | if yo built it yourself it should work |
| 06:22:55 | perldiver | combrains yes, thats what i meant |
| 06:23:09 | combrains | yes but I think the wires got crossed somwhere |
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| 06:23:36 | perldiver | it happens with all targets |
| 06:23:37 | combrains | I stuck the same problem with someone in IRC last night - they had the SVN build and it would crash |
| 06:23:56 | combrains | I had just build my own and it was sweet |
| 06:24:35 | Siryus | when I run the pre packaged themes nothing looks different |
| 06:24:56 | combrains | I think only the fonts change |
| 06:25:17 | Siryus | yeah |
| 06:25:32 | Siryus | but that still doesnt hekp my theme delimma |
| 06:25:53 | combrains | perldiver, If I just want to submit a battery benchmark to the wiki, is it easier for me to register and get write access or jsut give it to someone to post? |
| 06:26:52 | combrains | Siryus, i mean i think that the only difference between the packaged themes is the font |
| 06:27:20 | combrains | go to the wiki for your model and download some more themes for a real differnce |
| 06:27:39 | Siryus | k |
| 06:28:02 | perldiver | combrains i bet its easier to register, noone's online with the access now |
| 06:28:15 | hcs | well, the main thing that is changed is the WPS screen... |
| 06:28:19 | combrains | ok then |
| 06:28:33 | perldiver | how many hours? |
| 06:28:33 | Siryus | is their instuctions on how to download themes? |
| 06:30:11 | Overand | Siryus: it's fairly easy |
| 06:30:27 | Overand | depending on what they have inside, you just extract them to your device or to the .rockbox dir on it |
| 06:30:47 | Siryus | put them it the themes folder? |
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| 06:32:43 | Siryus | ? |
| 06:32:55 | sujdik | there will be 3 or 4 folders packed |
| 06:33:17 | Siryus | and I put them all in the right folders depending on their file types? |
| 06:33:31 | sujdik | there's no need |
| 06:33:59 | sujdik | copy the folders into /.rockbox/ |
| 06:34:19 | Siryus | ...ok |
| 06:34:30 | Siryus | wouldnt that get pretty messy? |
| 06:34:38 | combrains | perldiver, 10.5 and counting |
| 06:34:42 | sujdik | no |
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| 06:35:05 | Siryus | ok |
| 06:35:08 | perldiver | combrains hitting 20 hours here with no EQ |
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| 06:35:20 | combrains | wowe |
| 06:35:23 | sujdik | wow |
| 06:35:42 | sujdik | i havent reached 9 hours =P |
| 06:35:59 | combrains | i see from the 2 on the wiki already that the average time is about 15 hours |
| 06:36:00 | hcs | perldiver: tgb? |
| 06:36:06 | perldiver | yes |
| 06:36:10 | combrains | the stock was supposed to be 16 |
| 06:36:25 | combrains | so rb isnt doing too bad |
| 06:36:32 | hcs | combrains: the 15:03 one is before the bootloader optimization |
| 06:36:37 | perldiver | would be inetersting to see the results with cpu scaling but we have to wait on that |
| 06:36:41 | perldiver | since it was recalled |
| 06:37:06 | hcs | I'm doing a battery bench with SPC playback, which is fairly cpu-intensive, now |
| 06:37:17 | combrains | hcs, you mean the bootlaoder before the 13th? |
| 06:37:30 | hcs | whenever we saved 1.7 MB |
| 06:37:35 | combrains | oic |
| 06:37:52 | combrains | yeah - im on that one atm |
| 06:38:42 | combrains | I'm just playing my entire library - all mp3, with no backlight and only trebble/bass adjustments |
| 06:39:07 | tchan | Has anyone else noticed that with recent SVN builds for the iPod 40G grayscale that dual-booting is no longer working ? From powered off mode in rockbox to Pressing menu, then switching Hold key on, just causes the iPod to reboot loop saying "Loading original firmware" |
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| 06:40:03 | tchan | I had to remove rockbox bootloader before I could get back into Apple firmware |
| 06:40:21 | combrains | how long does the activation email for the wiki take? |
| 06:40:21 | sujdik | i guess i won't update mine =P |
| 06:41:12 | perldiver | i think the links to the svn builds should be removed for now |
| 06:41:16 | hcs | combrains: it's more a matter of someone with access giving you priviliges |
| 06:41:23 | perldiver | too many people asking whats going on with their players |
| 06:42:09 | combrains | I know that I need to be added but I need to activate as well |
| 06:43:12 | tchan | perldiver: I missed the irc session that said how to fix this dual-boot looping problem. Any hints ? |
| 06:43:39 | perldiver | just by getting a daily build im assuming |
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| 06:44:45 | combrains | or a new bootloader |
| 06:45:13 | * | combrains goes to dinner |
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| 06:45:22 | tchan | I'm using svn co, and compiling the iPod 40G grayscale zip file myself. That's currently whats installed on this iPod. |
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| 06:48:05 | Siryus | can someone give me a link to a convenient portal to download skind? |
| 06:48:16 | Siryus | themes?* |
| 06:49:51 | sneakums | well, there's rockbox-themes.org |
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| 06:50:07 | sneakums | which i know nothing about, other than it exists |
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| 06:51:09 | sujdik | well I've donwloaded all my themes from there =P good source |
| 06:51:50 | Siryus | thankyou |
| 06:52:58 | sujdik | will be there any problem if you "initialize database" twice? ... ... |
| 06:53:54 | sneakums | sujdik: all you lose is time and power, i think |
| 06:54:02 | sujdik | I mean |
| 06:54:15 | sujdik | at same time |
| 06:54:20 | sneakums | oh |
| 06:54:24 | sujdik | my ipod isn't responding =P |
| 06:54:34 | sneakums | that may be a "yes", then |
| 06:54:51 | sneakums | when a theme loads a font, does that also affect the font in the file tree? |
| 06:55:00 | sujdik | yes |
| 06:55:04 | sneakums | hmm, bummer |
| 06:56:57 | sujdik | does anyone use a theme that have a playlist count? like "7 of 103" |
| 06:58:35 | sneakums | i have a custom wps that does that |
| 06:58:51 | sneakums | it looks like this: sneakums/rockpod-wps-with-dejavusans.png">http://zork.net/~sneakums/rockpod-wps-with-dejavusans.png |
| 06:59:43 | sujdik | hmm... does it refresh the "now playing number" when it's paused? |
| 06:59:57 | sujdik | and you skip a track |
| 07:00 |
| 07:00:08 | sneakums | "%pp of %pe" seems to be the relevant chunk |
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| 07:00:45 | * | sneakums tries on his h120 |
| 07:01:08 | sneakums | yes, it does |
| 07:01:28 | sujdik | my ipod doen't |
| 07:02:19 | sneakums | the build i'm using is one i did myself, from the 4th of january |
| 07:02:46 | sneakums | i can't check on my ipod because it's an 80g |
| 07:02:58 | sujdik | hm |
| 07:03:30 | sujdik | still initializing database =P |
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| 07:03:51 | sneakums | last time i tried it on my h120 it took a while |
| 07:04:39 | sujdik | it usually takes... but i don't know if it got stuck |
| 07:04:55 | sneakums | if you put it to your ear, you should be able to hear the disk |
| 07:05:12 | sneakums | if it's not chugging (or even spinning) i'd guess it's wedged |
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| 07:05:37 | sujdik | at least its spinning :P |
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| 07:05:57 | sneakums | no chugging though? |
| 07:06:08 | sneakums | given that and the fact that it's not responding, i'd reboot it |
| 07:06:41 | sneakums | and maybe file a bug :P |
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| 07:07:48 | sujdik | well I'll do so.... the database is not THAT big |
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| 07:08:41 | Siryus | umm so I download a theme |
| 07:08:52 | Siryus | and I unzip it |
| 07:09:04 | Siryus | and theirs a folder called .rockbox |
| 07:09:29 | Siryus | so I extract that to my rockbox folder am I doing this right? |
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| 07:10:22 | Siryus | ? |
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| 07:10:55 | sujdik | you should "replace" your .rockbox folder with the theme's .rockbox folder |
| 07:11:28 | Siryus | ok |
| 07:11:45 | Siryus | wait |
| 07:11:48 | sujdik | but do not delete |
| 07:12:03 | Siryus | so I just put the whole folder in their? |
| 07:12:43 | Siryus | ? |
| 07:12:59 | sujdik | yes... |
| 07:13:05 | Siryus | ,...ok |
| 07:13:13 | sujdik | not inside the .rockbox folder |
| 07:13:20 | Siryus | ? |
| 07:13:24 | Siryus | ok |
| 07:13:27 | sneakums | you won't really be "replacing" .rockbox, it'll just add the tmee files in the right place |
| 07:13:38 | sneakums | s/tmee/the/ |
| 07:13:55 | Siryus | by putting the downloaded folder where? |
| 07:14:15 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 07:14:16 | sneakums | just extract the zipfile to G:\ |
| 07:14:26 | Siryus | ok |
| 07:14:31 | sneakums | (assuming your player is G:\) |
| 07:14:31 | Siryus | in my case it's I |
| 07:14:38 | sneakums | and say "yes" when it asks you if you want to replace ".rockbox" |
| 07:14:46 | Siryus | ok |
| 07:14:50 | Siryus | if your sure |
| 07:14:54 | sneakums | it won't really be replacing it, it'll just put the new files in the right place |
| 07:14:59 | Siryus | ok |
| 07:15:00 | Siryus | good |
| 07:15:00 | sneakums | the rest of the folder will be left alone |
| 07:15:30 | Siryus | win rar gives me errors |
| 07:15:50 | Siryus | it wont let me copy the files |
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| 07:17:07 | sneakums | never used... oh. |
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| 07:17:27 | Siryus | ooops |
| 07:17:30 | Siryus | sorry |
| 07:18:07 | Siryus | yeah Win RAR wont let me copy the files |
| 07:18:23 | sneakums | Siryus: well, there's a slightly trickier way to do it |
| 07:18:27 | sneakums | if you extract it someplace else |
| 07:18:27 | sujdik | unpack the folder in another place... and then copy the folder into G: |
| 07:18:32 | sneakums | yes, that |
| 07:18:39 | Siryus | ok |
| 07:18:55 | sneakums | but you'll need to copy it into G:\.rockbox\themes or whatever |
| 07:19:06 | Siryus | ok |
| 07:19:59 | sneakums | if you check out the stuff you extracted, .rockbox\themes\funkytheme or whatever, and copy funkytheme into the same folder on I:\ |
| 07:20:42 | sneakums | annoying that winrar doesn't let you do it directly though. |
| 07:20:51 | sneakums | the command-line unrar seems to handle it okay |
| 07:21:09 | sujdik | winrar works well here |
| 07:21:36 | Siryus | not here |
| 07:21:46 | Siryus | it wont let me copy them anyware |
| 07:21:58 | Siryus | should I delete winrar |
| 07:22:12 | Siryus | and use the mirosoft equivilent? |
| 07:22:22 | sneakums | i'm out of my depth, i only use windows at work for e-mail |
| 07:22:25 | sujdik | try re-download the theme |
| 07:22:31 | Siryus | ok |
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| 07:23:04 | sujdik | maybe the file is corrupt or something |
| 07:25:49 | Siryus | yes |
| 07:25:55 | Siryus | I got another one to work |
| 07:26:04 | Siryus | thank you guys so much |
| 07:28:06 | sujdik | youu're welcome =P |
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| 07:30:00 | * | Mouser_X is attempting to build Rockbox. |
| 07:30:12 | Mouser_X | So far, I can't tell what's happening/happened. |
| 07:30:20 | Mouser_X | I'm running the VMware image. |
| 07:30:32 | Mouser_X | Can anyone offer any ideas/help/anything? |
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| 07:33:21 | icey | any 1? |
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| 07:35:15 | icey | can any 1 tell me sansa e250 can use e200 rockbox? |
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| 07:44:17 | icey | can any 1 help me =/ |
| 07:45:11 | Mouser_X | Not if you don't ask your question. |
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| 07:45:54 | icey | hmm how do i install e200 rockbox on my e250 |
| 07:46:17 | icey | sandisk sansa =x |
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| 07:53:28 | KCC | icey: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
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| 07:54:29 | icey | thx |
| 07:55:57 | KCC | once youre finished installing, you can check out this page: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-build.html |
| 07:56:08 | KCC | good luck, enjoy rockbox :) |
| 07:58:23 | icey | hmm |
| 07:59:05 | icey | sansa boot loader =/ |
| 07:59:31 | icey | cant find in sansa webby onli update |
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| 08:14:30 | JdGordon | sound isnt working on the e200 yet is it? |
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| 08:17:28 | DownStrik | it supposed to be the letter small on rockbox ??? |
| 08:17:56 | sneakums | DownStrik: yes, the default font is pretty small |
| 08:18:05 | icey | can some 1 teach me how to install e250 rockbox? |
| 08:18:23 | icey | i read the guide but dont know how =/ |
| 08:18:45 | DownStrik | how can i change the font.... because i install a wps and still small |
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| 08:19:59 | sneakums | DownStrik: go into the menu, and select "General settings", "Display", "Browse fonts", and try out the fonts until you find one you like |
| 08:20:21 | DownStrik | ok |
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| 08:21:47 | combrains | DownStrik, did you install the fints package? |
| 08:21:52 | combrains | *fonts |
| 08:21:56 | icey | l |
| 08:24:11 | icey | hmm any 1 know how install the rockbox on sandisk sansa e250?? |
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| 08:25:45 | combrains | icey, I dont have a sansa but I can do my best to walk you throught it |
| 08:25:55 | combrains | it should be pretty straightforward |
| 08:26:23 | icey | hmm |
| 08:26:47 | icey | i got the file alredy |
| 08:27:00 | icey | i saw the guides |
| 08:27:09 | Bagder | "the file" ? |
| 08:27:23 | Bagder | there are at least 2, possibly 3, files involved |
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| 08:27:50 | combrains | just reading the wiki, if you wanna use youre sansa for everyday stuff then rb probably isnt a good bet right now |
| 08:27:51 | icey | cant find this The Sansa boot loader. |
| 08:28:06 | Mikachu | Bagder: you know about the diff links on new files already? |
| 08:28:12 | Bagder | yeah |
| 08:28:19 | Bagder | fix is coming "soon" |
| 08:29:29 | combrains | badger, why are all the SVN builds crashing ATM? |
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| 08:30:04 | Bagder | what are you talking about? |
| 08:30:41 | DownStrik | there is another page for wps? |
| 08:30:48 | combrains | aparently people are reporting that the SVN builds from the rb site are crashing |
| 08:31:05 | combrains | but the dilies are fine |
| 08:31:12 | combrains | *daylies |
| 08:31:25 | DownStrik | for dowloading themes |
| 08:31:28 | Bagder | probably because those guys are on crack |
| 08:31:35 | Bagder | but really |
| 08:31:42 | Bagder | can you be any LESS specific on details? |
| 08:31:53 | Bagder | "people" and "builds" |
| 08:31:58 | combrains | sorry |
| 08:32:01 | Bagder | some people claim Elvis lives |
| 08:32:21 | tchan | Bagder: Has anyone else noticed that with recent SVN builds for the iPod 40G grayscale that dual-booting is no longer working ? From powered off mode in rockbox to Pressing menu, then switching Hold key on, just causes the iPod to reboot loop saying "Loading original firmware" |
| 08:32:36 | hcs | The King is not dead. He just went home. |
| 08:32:39 | tchan | I had to remove rockbox bootloader before I could get back into Apple firmware |
| 08:32:43 | Bagder | tchan: I have no idea |
| 08:34:04 | * | JdGordon has album art working :) |
| 08:34:04 | combrains | badger, perldiver had a problem with the SVN build from build.rockbox.org earlier on today. |
| 08:34:08 | JdGordon | unless text is drawn where the art should be drawn |
| 08:34:26 | combrains | however it may have been due to all of the changes that went on to the gb port today |
| 08:34:43 | Bagder | combrains: what build on what target is the question |
| 08:35:09 | Bagder | and yes, if it suddenly started going wrong it was most probably due to a recent change |
| 08:35:26 | combrains | but I was talking to somone last night |
| 08:35:28 | combrains | ... |
| 08:35:42 | combrains | and they had a build from the rb site that crashed |
| 08:36:05 | combrains | and I had just built my own from source and it worked flawlessly |
| 08:36:09 | San | ZOOM! I You got hit by a lol-copter. |
| 08:36:37 | Bagder | combrains: yes? |
| 08:36:46 | Bagder | so what are we supposed to do with that info? |
| 08:37:04 | Bagder | "someone" ran "a build" and "it crashed" |
| 08:37:21 | combrains | read the log from yesterday |
| 08:37:23 | Bagder | details my friend, details |
| 08:37:33 | combrains | I cant remember the detail sorry |
| 08:38:38 | combrains | plus I dont have any more detail other than that - I just thought you might like to be made aware |
| 08:38:53 | combrains | so that you could ask around perhaps? |
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| 08:41:53 | Galois | are the build servers going to automatically start using subversion instead of CVS? |
| 08:42:01 | LinusN | they already are |
| 08:42:16 | Galois | I don't even know if it's installed on mine |
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| 08:42:24 | LinusN | then you'd better do that |
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| 08:42:52 | combrains | Bagder, ok looks like it may be coincidence but I thought I would make the point anyway |
| 08:42:52 | Galois | "find ~rbclient/ -iname \*svn\*" is rather empty |
| 08:43:06 | combrains | (I just read the log) |
| 08:43:09 | Galois | well, I checked, subversion is installed |
| 08:44:29 | Bagder | Galois: you need to checkout the svn repo as well |
| 08:44:33 | LinusN | Galois: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2007-01/0049.shtml |
| 08:45:38 | Galois | sorry for being behind the times |
| 08:45:43 | Bagder | no worries |
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| 08:46:36 | Galois | Checked out revision 12038. |
| 08:46:43 | Galois | am I all set? |
| 08:47:02 | Bagder | if rbclient can do 'svn up' in its home dir, then yes |
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| 08:47:25 | Galois | it says "At revision 12038." |
| 08:47:35 | Bagder | then it works |
| 08:47:37 | Galois | excellent |
| 08:47:52 | Bagder | at next commit you should see some CPU usage ;-) |
| 08:48:05 | Galois | load average: 0.20, 0.21, 0.12 |
| 08:48:09 | Galois | I am not concerned about CPU usage |
| 08:48:35 | hcs | LinusN: could you check out my NSF patch? |
| 08:49:20 | LinusN | nsf, is that the nintendo codec? |
| 08:49:25 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
| 08:49:36 | Mouser_X | I'd like to see it included, personally. |
| 08:49:45 | LinusN | any issues left with it? |
| 08:49:47 | Mouser_X | It sounds great, imho. |
| 08:49:56 | Mouser_X | That, I wouldn't know... |
| 08:50:06 | Mouser_X | HCS? |
| 08:50:15 | hcs | I converted the last important bits to fixed point, FDS tracks run full speed on coldfire targets now |
| 08:50:29 | hcs | I'm not going to do anything more with it, in any case |
| 08:50:37 | hcs | (unless something needs fixing) |
| 08:50:54 | LinusN | is notsofatso gpl licensed? |
| 08:51:00 | JdGordon | rockbox is supposed to be able to draw text onto images cant it? |
| 08:51:01 | hcs | yes |
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| 08:51:48 | hcs | there was a bit from MAME that was under their "no commercial use" license, but I removed it |
| 08:51:50 | * | tucoz_work notices a big commit from mr Ross |
| 08:52:20 | LinusN | hcs: does it compile on all targets? |
| 08:52:22 | Bagder | not big, huuuuge ;-) |
| 08:52:32 | tucoz_work | hehe. right. huge it is |
| 08:52:47 | hcs | LinusN: that, I don't know. only tried on h120, ipods, and gigabeat |
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| 08:52:59 | hcs | I can start testing now |
| 08:53:03 | LinusN | would be nice |
| 08:53:08 | hcs | ok |
| 08:53:31 | LinusN | i have no general problem with committing it |
| 08:53:32 | AndreSmith | Is it possible in dualboot to have the original firmware boot first unless told? |
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| 08:53:55 | LinusN | AndreSmith: only if you patch the bootloader yourself |
| 08:54:11 | AndreSmith | Ok, I'll look into it |
| 08:54:20 | AndreSmith | wheres the best place to start? |
| 08:54:45 | LinusN | that depends on the target |
| 08:55:06 | AndreSmith | Sansa e200 |
| 08:55:54 | LinusN | i don't know anything about the sansa loader, sorry |
| 08:56:06 | AndreSmith | No problems, thanks anyway |
| 08:56:25 | Bagder | bootloader/main-pp.c could be a place to start poking |
| 08:57:06 | AndreSmith | Thanks |
| 08:58:41 | AndreSmith | Ok, I found it, so i guess all i need to do is swap around the if/else statement |
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| 09:01:09 | Bagder | or swapping the files on the disk |
| 09:01:41 | Bagder | "disk" being the flash of course ;-) |
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| 09:07:39 | JdGordon | what does everyone think of nico+p's .cue patch in the core? we have got ram usage down to very minimal (with an option to turn it off completly if you dont want it) |
| 09:08:14 | JdGordon | fs 6460 |
| 09:10:00 | tucoz_work | more options. hurray. ;-) |
| 09:10:09 | hcs | LinusN: uh, I'm getting FLASH is full errors on the FM recorder build |
| 09:10:27 | hcs | any recommendations? |
| 09:10:30 | JdGordon | tucoz_work: its that or way to much wasted ram if you dont use it :p |
| 09:10:56 | tucoz_work | hehe. i was only kidding. |
| 09:11:23 | amiconn | JdGordon: Ahem, speaking about options... |
| 09:11:43 | tucoz_work | i would probably have it turned off in any case. |
| 09:12:29 | JdGordon | amiconn: that one is also ready to go... i can sync and commit it tonight... but without more bodies its best i not commit it yet |
| 09:12:47 | tucoz_work | is that the load-config-from-file? |
| 09:12:55 | JdGordon | ye |
| 09:12:59 | tucoz_work | aha. nice |
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| 09:13:49 | amiconn | What about the known bugs and deficiencies? |
| 09:14:18 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:14:34 | JdGordon | thats why its not commited yet... <sarcasm>some bozo let a million different settings in so they need to be checked</sarcasm> |
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| 09:15:06 | Mikachu | i don't see how that's sarcasm |
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| 09:15:37 | JdGordon | ... the bozo part... dw |
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| 09:19:01 | hcs | LinusN: I'm getting the same build error without my patch |
| 09:21:22 | amiconn | DataGhost: Btw, while it might be that the of uses ata dma on the G5.5, it's highly unlikely that it uses udma4 |
| 09:21:33 | GodEaterWeb | LinusN: I saw your question about printf from last night that no-one appeared to answer. I'm in favour of it in the ipod bootloader if it helps ;) |
| 09:21:40 | amiconn | The disk uses a 40 pin cable, and 40 pin cables only allow up to udma2 |
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| 09:22:11 | GodEaterWeb | amiconn: curious that the drive defaults to reporting udma4 then ? |
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| 09:22:46 | amiconn | It's probably just the default the drive boots up with |
| 09:23:24 | GodEaterWeb | I guess the iPL guys never reset that then - which is why hdparm still shows it |
| 09:23:30 | amiconn | Enabling udma doesn't stop pio from working, as (u)dma uses a different command set |
| 09:23:44 | GodEaterWeb | yep yep - aware of that ;) |
| 09:23:56 | amiconn | LinusN: Btw, this printf() isn't a real printf(). It always appends a \n |
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| 09:24:04 | GodEaterWeb | been dreaming the ATA spec since before xmas now ;) |
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| 09:24:27 | GodEaterWeb | amiconn: IMHO that makes it more useful on our tiny display targets |
| 09:25:11 | GodEaterWeb | I've got fed up of typing three lines where only one would do |
| 09:25:27 | GodEaterWeb | I should have thought of doing my own printf ages ago |
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| 09:28:21 | GodEaterWeb | does the current ipodpatcher work for 3G ipods ? I seem to recall it had problems a while back ? |
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| 09:38:21 | JdGordon | do attachments on the ml actualy go through? |
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| 09:51:34 | tucoz | hehe. i love the vu_meter on the gigabeat. http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/plugins/images/ss-vumeter-240x320x16.png |
| 09:52:03 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 09:52:10 | JdGordon | haha |
| 09:52:44 | petur | tsss |
| 09:53:38 | petur | brickmania seems easier to play too |
| 09:53:50 | Bagder | those cheaters! |
| 09:55:08 | petur | and pong is more difficult |
| 09:55:27 | tucoz | chess looks great, but the chess clock is definitley not for the short-sighted |
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| 09:56:03 | petur | is the snow not hitting the ground? (just like in real life atm) |
| 09:56:10 | tucoz | but the calculator looks promising. imagine all the functions that could fit in that display |
| 09:56:20 | DerPapst | GodEaterWeb: Afaik ipodpatcher doesn't work on 3G iPods |
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| 09:57:30 | JdGordon | would be nice if the display could be flipped 90deg on the gb for the games |
| 09:58:03 | debauched_slot1 | interesting idea |
| 09:58:14 | debauched_slot1 | I wouldn't mind flipping it for everything |
| 09:58:24 | debauched_slot1 | given the control pad, this could work |
| 09:58:25 | Bagder | for everything should be fairly simple |
| 09:58:46 | debauched_slot1 | the player almost doesn't have a natural orientation |
| 09:58:51 | GodEaterWeb | DerPapst: yeah - I did a quick search on the forums and found where I'd read that from |
| 09:58:51 | Bagder | basically swapping the width and height values and making the driver output it rotated |
| 09:58:55 | debauched_slot1 | and we already rotate |
| 09:59:08 | debauched_slot1 | Bagder: I'm not sure I can't get the LCD controller to rotate |
| 09:59:08 | Bagder | aha |
| 09:59:27 | JdGordon | my dad just got a e200, and i recon its screen would be better on the side also |
| 09:59:38 | debauched_slot1 | but in any case, it's a 16-bit driver - who cares about width/height? |
| 09:59:44 | Bagder | indeed |
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| 10:00:04 | Bagder | JdGordon: yes, but the sansa has more controls that might feel a bit weird to use when rotated |
| 10:00:53 | debauched_slot1 | that's the thing about the GB. Makes just as much sense on its side |
| 10:00:56 | JdGordon | Bagder: i dunno, apart from the power button, they are all mirrored so if the keys were mapped correclty it shouldnt feel any more awkward |
| 10:01:13 | debauched_slot1 | maybe more, actually... |
| 10:01:26 | petur | on gb, one could rotate clock- or anticlockwise for left/righthand operation and mirror the buttons |
| 10:01:57 | * | JdGordon imagines the h300 on its side and thinks it wont be as nice ;P |
| 10:02:22 | debauched_slot1 | heh |
| 10:02:33 | debauched_slot1 | a DAP for lefties! |
| 10:02:50 | debauched_slot1 | speaking as a lefty, this amuses me greatly, tough I would use the right handed mode :) |
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| 10:05:57 | * | petur listens to a superb recording made yesterday evening (wiped most of the disk to avoid possible glitches due to a nearly full fragmented disk) |
| 10:06:34 | | Nick Everybody|Empire is now known as Everybody|away (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) |
| 10:06:39 | JdGordon | recording of......? |
| 10:06:47 | JdGordon | please say dark tranquillity live :D |
| 10:07:03 | petur | my fav band performing a try-out of their new tour |
| 10:07:18 | petur | Flemish band 'De Mens' |
| 10:07:26 | JdGordon | what are they? |
| 10:08:18 | petur | www.demens.be and http://www.goear.com/viewgroups.php?a=De%20Mens have samples (goear stuff are my recordings made with h300) |
| 10:08:30 | JdGordon | amiconn: I think I dont like how the settings are handled in the patch, do you tihnk its a waste of time to code up a patch to load settings from disk, then once thats done get the menu part of the patch in? |
| 10:09:00 | debauched_slot1 | jdGordon: speaking just for myself, I really look forward to that patch |
| 10:09:14 | JdGordon | petur: what genre are they? |
| 10:09:18 | petur | rock |
| 10:09:50 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/netiquette |
| 10:09:54 | Bagder | my first shot |
| 10:10:07 | Bagder | I'm very open for improvements and other suggestions |
| 10:10:08 | petur | JdGordon: but on this tour they bring some alternative (softer) versions of their songs |
| 10:12:18 | JdGordon | Bagder: looks ok, but whats the point? the people who need to read that wont.. |
| 10:12:18 | bluebrother | tucoz, have you seen this? http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/titlepage4.jpg |
| 10:12:22 | LinusN | Bagder: there should be some explanation what "top-posting" is |
| 10:12:24 | bluebrother | any comments? |
| 10:12:39 | Bagder | JdGordon: it'd be posted on the list(s) with a given interval |
| 10:12:56 | JdGordon | cool |
| 10:13:15 | JdGordon | petur: im listening to en in gent... i have no idea what its about.. but the music is good :) |
| 10:13:24 | Bagder | I think we're many that have watched the lists turn more and more crazy recently |
| 10:13:35 | petur | Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. <−−- ??? |
| 10:13:47 | bluebrother | that page might be interesting: http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html |
| 10:14:03 | LinusN | Bagder: "By phrasing a correct and describing subject" -> "descriptive" is probably a better word |
| 10:14:03 | bluebrother | (translation of learn.to/quote) |
| 10:14:20 | tucoz | good idea. although it is not that necessary when/if we release a version of rockbox. |
| 10:14:25 | Bagder | bluebrother: reference [3] on my page |
| 10:14:43 | bluebrother | ah, should have read through the end first ;-) |
| 10:14:44 | LinusN | Bagder: perhaps a "do not reply to the digest mails" |
| 10:15:01 | Bagder | do you think that'll work? |
| 10:15:10 | LinusN | i dunno |
| 10:15:15 | debauched_slot1 | would be nice if it did... |
| 10:15:16 | petur | doesn't the mailing list software filter out of office messages? |
| 10:15:19 | tucoz | petur: youe read the question to the top answer. the question to A: Top-posting is Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? |
| 10:15:41 | LinusN | replying to digest mails is a major thread breaker |
| 10:15:57 | petur | tucoz: yes, now I see the fun of that ;) |
| 10:16:02 | debauched_slot1 | I kind of like "no HTML emails" myself |
| 10:16:05 | LinusN | petur: how would it do that? |
| 10:16:13 | petur | I know some do |
| 10:16:14 | bluebrother | why that much "avoid" instead of "don't"? |
| 10:16:34 | petur | LinusN: filter on the out of office text in the subject |
| 10:16:44 | LinusN | petur: in all languages? |
| 10:16:54 | petur | LinusN: point taken |
| 10:16:55 | bluebrother | telling to avoid something sounds to me much like "it would be nice if you didn't do it", not "we don't want it, so don't do it" |
| 10:17:23 | Bagder | bluebrother: updated |
| 10:17:33 | * | bluebrother seconds the no-html-mails |
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| 10:18:03 | Bagder | I'm personally against html mails too |
| 10:18:26 | LinusN | unfortunately, the mere size of this document may be a problem. people won't bother reading it |
| 10:18:27 | bluebrother | can mailman block html-only mails? |
| 10:18:37 | debauched_slot1 | ...or strip HTML |
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| 10:19:05 | bluebrother | I'm ok with multipart messages as I can just display the text only |
| 10:19:27 | JdGordon | Bagder: can you tell the build system to send a bootloader build to one computer but not the rockbox.zip build to the same comp? |
| 10:19:52 | Bagder | no |
| 10:20:09 | Bagder | I can only split on sdl/sh/m68k/arm |
| 10:21:08 | JdGordon | ok |
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| 10:23:35 | bluebrother | maybe add a warning at the top of the netiquette to tell everyone who doesn't comply to the rules to get ignored by devs |
| 10:23:41 | bluebrother | or something similar. |
| 10:23:57 | bluebrother | so the reader knows he _really_ should read that guidelines |
| 10:24:04 | JdGordon | ignored isnt a threat... tell em they'll get booted from the list |
| 10:24:21 | sneakums | bluebrother: surely the type of person who is likely to violate netiquette is not likely to read such a document |
| 10:24:31 | petur | add this text to the subscription mail |
| 10:24:34 | JdGordon | ... and put the netiqutte text in the confirm email |
| 10:24:47 | LinusN | petur: that doesn't help either |
| 10:24:48 | hcs | "this document contains the secret to eternal happiness, be careful to read it in its entirety!" |
| 10:25:10 | sneakums | the fundamental problem is that people will not read anything unless you tie them down and burn it into their retinas with a laser |
| 10:25:12 | LinusN | petur: look at how many Wiki newcomers that wonder why they can't edit any pages |
| 10:25:13 | JdGordon | LinusN: any objections to the .cue support patch in the core? |
| 10:25:29 | LinusN | JdGordon: i haven't checked it recently |
| 10:25:39 | bluebrother | sneakums: sure, and thats the main problem. But maybe we could increase the "risk" such a person reads it anyway |
| 10:26:03 | hcs | oh, I figure I should ask while people are around, is there no APE support because no one has cared enough or for some other reason? |
| 10:26:10 | JdGordon | LinusN: i dont know when you last checked it, but the main thing is its ram usage is user configurable now so its bearable for those that dont want it |
| 10:26:32 | sneakums | well, feel free to try. but experience seems to show that as soon as a community grows beyond a certain size, it's hopeless. |
| 10:26:40 | Mikachu | hcs: probably because ape is a redundant proprietary slow format |
| 10:26:45 | bluebrother | JdGordon: will it be expandable for e.g. subtracks in sid files? |
| 10:26:46 | sneakums | not that i'm defeatist or anything. |
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| 10:27:06 | hcs | Mikachu: ok, I thought no GPL decoder might be a reason |
| 10:27:17 | Bagder | tes |
| 10:27:18 | JdGordon | bluebrother: yeah, should be.. |
| 10:27:18 | Bagder | yes |
| 10:27:37 | Bagder | the APE music cannot be supported since there's no codec with a good enough license |
| 10:27:52 | hcs | guess I'll just stick with converting these to flac, then |
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| 10:30:37 | linuxstb | Bagder: There's a GPL'd decoder for APE written in Java... :) |
| 10:30:43 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 10:30:54 | Bagder | and now when java is gpl... |
| 10:30:57 | hcs | hmm, I've ported decoders from C++... |
| 10:31:03 | Mikachu | now just port phoneME to rockbox |
| 10:31:07 | linuxstb | http://jmac.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:31:58 | linuxstb | Ignore me, it looks like it's just a wrapper to the C++ code.... In which case I'm not sure how it can be GPL'd. |
| 10:32:11 | JdGordon | because they are naughty! |
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| 10:32:30 | * | linuxstb downloads the code to see exactly what it is... |
| 10:32:35 | Mikachu | you can redistribute code as gpl that links to proprietary stuff as long as you don't distribute binaries |
| 10:32:35 | Bagder | people are very often license ignorant, on purpose or not |
| 10:32:52 | Mikachu | especially when you're the copyright holder |
| 10:33:03 | LinusN | speaking of reading instructions, i can't understand this flood of wiki user subscriptions, when so few actually intend to contribute |
| 10:33:21 | Bagder | that's indeed a mystery |
| 10:33:56 | linuxstb | No, it is indeed a real decoder, not a wrapper. |
| 10:34:51 | linuxstb | I'm surprised no-one has converted it to C++, given the original decoder's odd licensing. |
| 10:35:05 | LinusN | because few people care about APE? |
| 10:35:11 | Bagder | perhaps it is a sign of not many people caring... |
| 10:35:16 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:35:24 | linuxstb | I think it's the WMA of lossless codecs... |
| 10:35:26 | hcs | I find lossless rips in APE more often than FLAC... |
| 10:36:00 | LinusN | maybe it's the RAR of lossless codecs? |
| 10:36:11 | linuxstb | That's a better analogy. |
| 10:36:25 | petur | heh |
| 10:36:31 | Mikachu | isn't rar entirely closed though? |
| 10:36:34 | Mikachu | except for the decoder |
| 10:36:53 | Mikachu | or is that the case with mac too? |
| 10:37:01 | Mikachu | and by mac i mean ape |
| 10:37:23 | linuxstb | No, the source is available for APE, just under an odd license the author made up himself. |
| 10:39:50 | Mikachu | haha, the linux port hosted on sourceforge is listed as lgpl there, and COPYING in the tarball has this text |
| 10:39:56 | Mikachu | I faked the LGPL license in order to make it hosted at SourceForge, I am very sorry for this to other Free Software developers. We all hope that the original author will change the license to some standard open source licenses. |
| 10:40:15 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 10:40:24 | * | linuxstb remembers that |
| 10:40:42 | Bagder | but really, that's rather shameless |
| 10:42:08 | hcs | LinusN: ok, tested and building with everything that's currently building error-free on build.rockbox.org |
| 10:42:13 | linuxstb | And from what people have said, APE is very CPU intensive to decode, so there's no real motivation for a Rockbox port. |
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| 10:44:48 | GodEaterWeb | 'lo DataGhost ;) |
| 10:45:44 | DataGhostUni | hey :) |
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| 10:46:51 | DataGhostUni | this is really brainkilling |
| 10:46:57 | DataGhostUni | I have to use MS Access now :') |
| 10:47:31 | GodEaterWeb | for IRC? ;) |
| 10:47:37 | * | GodEaterWeb is impressed |
| 10:47:39 | DataGhostUni | no heh :P |
| 10:47:39 | * | Stalwart donates DataGhost a gun (help yourself) |
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| 10:49:14 | * | petur remarks that guns are not allowd in this channel |
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| 10:49:23 | petur | allowed even |
| 10:49:35 | Mikachu | only if you're on a us mirror |
| 10:49:42 | petur | lol |
| 10:49:46 | San | ZOOM! You got hit by a lol-copter. |
| 10:49:50 | DerPapst | lol |
| 10:49:51 | * | sneakums hands DataGhostUni a gnu (help yourself) |
| 10:49:54 | San | BANG! DerPapst watches 's brain splatter all over the wall as he gets shot by FPS Doug. |
| 10:50:05 | Mikachu | San: is that an alias? |
| 10:50:11 | DataGhostUni | hehe |
| 10:50:37 | Mikachu | that's impressive, three different version replies from one client |
| 10:50:37 | Stalwart | one shot from BFG will help everyone in one room |
| 10:50:37 | sneakums | at least it wasn't that verdammt trout one |
| 10:50:37 | DataGhostUni | privmsg #rockbox :randomize_words($alias) |
| 10:54:47 | hcs | LinusN: the nsf patch seems to build cleanly everywhere the current svn builds cleanly, anything else I should check? |
| 10:55:46 | LinusN | hcs: not really - i or some other core developer should take a look at your code and see if it meets our standards |
| 10:56:08 | hcs | ok |
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| 10:58:13 | hcs | just tack anything that needs to be changed onto the FS report, I'm off to bed |
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| 10:59:24 | efyx | Hi :) |
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| 11:00:56 | efyx | I would like tu know if its possible to customize the status bar of rockbox (ie : put my own icons and text i want) in the filebrowser and the menu? |
| 11:01:06 | efyx | (customize it like in wps?) |
| 11:01:07 | bluebrother | efyx: no |
| 11:01:17 | bluebrother | but there is a patch in the tracker iirc |
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| 11:05:21 | efyx | bluebrother, hum okay, is this patch : http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2931 ? |
| 11:05:52 | bluebrother | yes |
| 11:06:05 | efyx | okay thanks :) |
| 11:06:10 | bluebrother | not sure if there was another who allowed arbitraty icons for the status bar |
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| 11:07:54 | * | GodEaterWeb goes hunting for an ATA-4 spec |
| 11:09:35 | amiconn | GodEaterWeb: http://www.t13.org/Documents/UploadedDocuments/project/d1153r18-ATA-ATAPI-4.pdf |
| 11:10:07 | GodEaterWeb | got it thanks ;) |
| 11:10:16 | GodEaterWeb | just checking up on those word 47/59 settings |
| 11:12:16 | GodEaterWeb | hmm - not abundantly clear in that version |
| 11:12:25 | GodEaterWeb | t13 don't seem to have ATA-3 and down |
| 11:14:22 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:14:23 | * | XavierGr drools over nsf support :D |
| 11:16:18 | * | JdGordon just got another dircache stkov |
| 11:16:56 | GodEaterWeb | http://pastebin.ca/319418 <−− Found this in ATA-2. So the drive is clearly either out of spec, or downright lying. |
| 11:17:06 | * | petur wonders why nobody added 0x100 to the dircache stack - sure must be enough |
| 11:17:20 | GodEaterWeb | Since it *does* support READ/WRITE MULTIPLE |
| 11:17:25 | * | JdGordon will do that now if thats ok with all? |
| 11:20:39 | GodEaterWeb | if someone is feeling uber-generous, I'd love a link to a source tarball of what's in svn right now. Corporate firewall won't let me get it myself :( |
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| 11:21:41 | Bagder | ok, hang on |
| 11:21:41 | JdGordon | GodEaterWeb: its on the cvs page... |
| 11:22:06 | petur | it was... |
| 11:22:08 | GodEaterWeb | JdGordon: it used to be - think that feature's broken currently |
| 11:22:09 | Mikachu | JdGordon: no, it isnt |
| 11:22:22 | safetydan | Anyone know what the "lang v2 cleanup" actually involves? |
| 11:22:23 | Bagder | its on the daily build page now |
| 11:22:29 | GodEaterWeb | thanks Bagder :) |
| 11:22:33 | petur | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/source/rockbox-20070117.tar.bz2 |
| 11:22:33 | * | JdGordon appologises |
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| 11:23:44 | JdGordon | LinusN: ok to increase the dircache thread size by 0x100 to stop the stkovs? |
| 11:24:18 | LinusN | regarding the last post on the mailing list, why do we allow the user to stop playback in the browser? |
| 11:24:28 | LinusN | JdGordon: absolutely |
| 11:25:18 | JdGordon | ok, done |
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| 11:25:54 | amiconn | petur: I never experienced a stkov dircache ;) |
| 11:26:05 | Bagder | so, do people care about a commit source tarball? |
| 11:26:15 | Bagder | I mean built after each commit |
| 11:26:31 | LinusN | i'm sure it won't hurt |
| 11:26:53 | Bagder | it takes several seconds per commit! ;-) |
| 11:26:56 | LinusN | it can actually help us keep FILES up-to-date |
| 11:27:21 | Mikachu | the daily page still gets source archives though |
| 11:27:23 | amiconn | safetydan: It involves checking each string on what target it's used, and then using the appropriate conditional tags. Will be easier with the lang feature patch (which I still didn't try out) :(( |
| 11:27:29 | petur | amiconn: you're just lucky - I have one every 1-2 weeks I think |
| 11:27:48 | amiconn | petur: Yes I'm lucky - I never use dircache :P |
| 11:27:55 | petur | frrrr |
| 11:28:04 | * | petur could have thought that |
| 11:28:17 | LinusN | i always use it |
| 11:28:20 | amiconn | safetydan: It also involves applying the same to the voice strings, and for this, changing the voice file format a bit |
| 11:28:26 | Mikachu | Bagder: just in case you didn't know, the changelog link for today on http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=source doesn't show anything |
| 11:28:37 | Bagder | yeah, the daily changelogs are not yet fixed |
| 11:28:40 | safetydan | amiconn, ah okay. |
| 11:28:54 | Mikachu | i figured it was a bit more hidden than the other places so maybe you didn't notice it |
| 11:29:04 | safetydan | My coding ability has gone astray lately and I was looking for some "janitorial" tasks to have a go at |
| 11:29:10 | safetydan | lang cleanup might be a little big to start with |
| 11:29:11 | Bagder | I hoped nobody would spot it ;-P |
| 11:29:32 | amiconn | Voice files and lng files need the target id in the header (and preferably swcodec voice files shouldn't be bitswapped anymore) |
| 11:30:27 | GodEaterWeb | Bagder: I'm definitely keen for a commit source tarball |
| 11:30:41 | Bagder | I'm fixing it right now |
| 11:30:51 | GodEaterWeb | you're a star |
| 11:30:53 | * | amiconn has no real use for dircache |
| 11:30:53 | barrywardell | LinusN: quick question about your ipod bootloader commit. why did you choose to wrap at 30 lines rather than something dependent on LCD_HEIGHT? |
| 11:30:55 | Bagder | might even work on this very commit |
| 11:31:10 | LinusN | barrywardell: a silly mistake |
| 11:31:38 | LinusN | barrywardell: feel free to correct it |
| 11:31:50 | barrywardell | is (LCD_HEIGHT/8) right? |
| 11:32:00 | LinusN | better find out the font height |
| 11:32:54 | GodEaterWeb | LinusN: any more thoughts on the approach to handling the multi-sector stuff ? |
| 11:33:05 | amiconn | If it always uses the sysfont, it could just use the sysfont height definition |
| 11:33:16 | barrywardell | LinusN: OK. i'll do that using lcd_getstringsize("A", &w, &h)? |
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| 11:33:48 | amiconn | barrywardell: Yes, though if you're not interested in the width you don't need to pass &w |
| 11:33:50 | LinusN | i'm going through the various options in my head, and at the moment i'm leaning towards changing the sector size in the rest of the code |
| 11:34:05 | amiconn | Just pass NULL - lcd_getstringsize() won't write to NULL |
| 11:34:23 | barrywardell | amiconn: thanks. i'll do that |
| 11:34:26 | linuxstb | The bootloader always uses sysfont afaik - we don't want to start loading other fonts... |
| 11:35:28 | Bagder | linuxstb: yeah, but there's a possibility that we change the sysfont for some targets in the future |
| 11:35:29 | GodEaterWeb | is that the quickest to implement, or simply the tidiest way of doing it that doesn't involved lots of #ifdef when building for an 80G (or other platform we stumble across this issue for) ? |
| 11:35:47 | LinusN | height = font_get(FONT_SYSFIXED)->height; |
| 11:36:18 | LinusN | GodEaterWeb: that's what i am trying to find out :-) |
| 11:36:30 | GodEaterWeb | hahaha - fair enough |
| 11:37:02 | LinusN | my thinking is this: increasing the (logical) sector size will probably increase performance in many cases, at the cost of increased RAM usage |
| 11:37:19 | LinusN | but we have plenty of RAM on those platforms |
| 11:37:47 | linuxstb | Bagder: Do we have a SYSFONT_HEIGHT #define? |
| 11:37:49 | GodEaterWeb | but if you increase the size across the code, won't it affect ALL platforms? |
| 11:37:52 | LinusN | as long as the smaller platforms won't suffer, i think it could be the better option |
| 11:38:24 | Bagder | linuxstb: it certainly would make sense to have one |
| 11:38:24 | LinusN | if i do this correctly, the smaller platforms won't be affected |
| 11:38:36 | JdGordon | amiconn: did you see my message about the settings patch a while ago? |
| 11:38:59 | LinusN | Bagder, linuxstb: where would that #define be? |
| 11:39:04 | GodEaterWeb | that sounds like more #ifdef per platform to me |
| 11:39:14 | LinusN | GodEaterWeb: not necessarily |
| 11:39:21 | Mikachu | you can define a constant and use that... |
| 11:39:45 | Mikachu | which i almost dare say you should have done in the first place :) |
| 11:39:57 | LinusN | we would use MAX_SECTOR_SIZE instead of SECTOR_SIZE in a few places, or a similar approach |
| 11:40:13 | GodEaterWeb | ah ok |
| 11:40:19 | Mikachu | so if you already have a define, what's the problem? |
| 11:40:30 | linuxstb | LinusN: A "sysfont.h" file generated by the build system? |
| 11:40:59 | LinusN | Mikachu: SECTOR_SIZE is used all over the place, even where we really mean 512 |
| 11:41:07 | Mikachu | ah |
| 11:41:24 | safetydan | amiconn, do you mean something like this? http://pastebin.ca/319433 |
| 11:41:26 | GodEaterWeb | for instance in the definition of the identify_info block |
| 11:41:30 | barrywardell | LinusN, linuxstb : or just in font.h? |
| 11:41:34 | GodEaterWeb | which isn't really a sector at all |
| 11:41:37 | LinusN | like the IDENTIFY_DEVICE command, which returns 512 bytes regardless of the disk geometry |
| 11:41:54 | * | GodEaterWeb finds himself echoing again |
| 11:42:07 | Mikachu | so the work is the same as if all places had said 512, you still have to look at each one... |
| 11:42:14 | linuxstb | barrywardell: IIUC, sysfont.c is generated by the build system from rockbox_default.bdf. So I think it should created automatically from rockbox_default.bdf - similar to the bmp build system. |
| 11:42:19 | LinusN | barrywardell: we are planning to use different default font sizes on different platforms |
| 11:42:35 | LinusN | Mikachu: yes |
| 11:42:44 | Mikachu | okay, carry on :) |
| 11:42:49 | LinusN | :-) |
| 11:42:52 | GodEaterWeb | hehe - thanks :) |
| 11:42:56 | Bagder | I think the commit source tarballs is working now |
| 11:42:57 | JdGordon | LinusN: fs 6170 isnt what your doing is it? (i may have done this for you already) if its just playing wit the define |
| 11:43:05 | * | GodEaterWeb goes to look |
| 11:43:05 | barrywardell | ah, i hadn't noticed the sysfont.c i had was in my build dir |
| 11:43:09 | linuxstb | barrywardell: sysfont.h could/should be #included by font.h though. |
| 11:43:25 | * | GodEaterWeb spots a shiny new source tarball |
| 11:43:31 | LinusN | JdGordon: nice! |
| 11:43:53 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Also see the very end of firmware/Makefile |
| 11:44:00 | LinusN | JdGordon: a good start |
| 11:44:08 | JdGordon | :) |
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| 11:45:10 | JdGordon | Bagder: I got the cross compilers going on my server if you want another mid-range box to go on.. the problem with here is still my horrible upload speed tho |
| 11:45:14 | jba | hey guys |
| 11:45:38 | * | GodEaterWeb has noticed his build server is nearly the slowest performing one - a good excuse for an upgrade |
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| 11:46:23 | GodEaterWeb | is the time taken to build literally that, or is it measure from "time build was handed to server till server returned zip file" ? |
| 11:46:42 | JdGordon | hmm... looking at the build speeds, I think the only builds i could do without killing the overall time are the boot ones :'( |
| 11:46:54 | * | LinusN spots life signs from marsdaddy |
| 11:47:07 | Bagder | GodEaterWeb: if you check the master log you can see the "server done" messages |
| 11:47:21 | Bagder | they are done after the zip transfer |
| 11:47:24 | barrywardell | linuxstb: ok. i'll see if i can figure out how to create a sysfont.h with the build system |
| 11:47:25 | GodEaterWeb | ah ha |
| 11:47:28 | Bagder | but not all builds do transfers |
| 11:47:44 | GodEaterWeb | I might have to go and kick my router |
| 11:47:48 | LinusN | JdGordon: you could to only sim builds |
| 11:47:58 | LinusN | s/to/do/ |
| 11:48:03 | GodEaterWeb | it has an annoying habit of silently falling back to WAY below what I pay for in terms of bandwidth |
| 11:48:04 | Bagder | I could add an extra log line for when the transfer starts... |
| 11:48:27 | Bagder | ah, its already there. It says "Copying $server:$dir/rockbox.zip" |
| 11:48:33 | Bagder | just before the scp starts |
| 11:48:40 | JdGordon | LinusN: yeah, but they are largish and take awhile on this box (compared to the other boxes) |
| 11:49:09 | Bagder | the sh builds are rather smallish |
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| 11:51:33 | GodEaterWeb | actually - that last round of compiles I didn't do too bad - think I must have got unlucky when I looked this morning - the avg. time was 60 seconds - I'm down to 26 now. |
| 11:51:59 | * | JdGordon just spotted a orrible inconsistancy in firefox :p |
| 11:53:51 | linuxstb | barrywardell: The bmp2rb build system may help - see tools/makebmp.inc and the Makefiles in the bitmap directories. The tricky bit is getting the dependencies right, which I think may still be a bit dodgy for bitmaps. |
| 11:55:08 | amiconn | GodEaterWeb: All builds have different sizes, and it also depends on how much help it gets from ccache |
| 11:55:10 | barrywardell | linuxstb: i was thinking about just adding .h generation to convbdf.c. or is there a problem with that? |
| 11:55:10 | safetydan | woo, eliminating two ondio specific strings saves 42 bytes on rombox.ucl |
| 11:55:40 | amiconn | Build times vary _a lot_ |
| 11:55:57 | * | amiconn wonders what would be the best filesystem to place the ccache on |
| 11:56:01 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Yes, that's the first thing to do. But you should also try to make sure the correct things are rebuilt if the .bdf changes... |
| 11:56:13 | Bagder | amiconn: some kind of ramfs probably |
| 11:56:19 | barrywardell | ok |
| 11:56:54 | amiconn | Bagder: I don't think that would help, as it will go away at reboot |
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| 11:57:09 | amiconn | (and it's rather large too) |
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| 11:57:11 | Bagder | yes, you shouldn't reboot then ;-) |
| 11:57:20 | Bagder | ccache defaults at a 800MB max I believe |
| 11:57:39 | amiconn | Yeah, not nice with a total of 1GB RAM then |
| 11:57:44 | Bagder | hehe |
| 11:58:55 | GodEaterWeb | amiconn: I'm using resier3 for all my filesystems at home |
| 11:59:30 | Mikachu | why not just not make clean? |
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| 12:01:02 | safetydan | amiconn, sorry to bug you, but is this what you mean with lang changes? http://pastebin.ca/319440 |
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| 12:03:20 | JdGordon | safetydan: wont putting the *: before the ondio: mean the ondio one will always be ignored? |
| 12:03:28 | JdGordon | or is it smarter than that? |
| 12:04:01 | safetydan | JdGordon, hadn't actually checked that. I just assumed it was smart. |
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| 12:06:23 | safetydan | JdGordon, and the answer is that the script is smart |
| 12:06:31 | JdGordon | great :) |
| 12:10:19 | safetydan | cripes, there's a lot of strings that are included on targets that don't need them |
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| 12:11:01 | Bagder | indeed |
| 12:11:39 | Mikachu | it would be nice if you could feed the (preprocessed) source to the script and it picked out all needed symbols :) |
| 12:11:58 | Mikachu | or even the binary? |
| 12:12:33 | Mikachu | no, the lang identifiers don't survive of course |
| 12:12:51 | Mikachu | hm, but the english source strings are in there |
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| 12:13:02 | amiconn | safetydan: ondio: won't work, it needs to match ondiofm and ondiosp |
| 12:13:09 | Mikachu | you run "strings rockbox.ipod" and do some matching of the result with the lang file if you had a knack for perl |
| 12:13:12 | amiconn | I think that needs to be ondio*: |
| 12:13:35 | safetydan | amiconn, oddly enough just ondio seems to work |
| 12:13:38 | amiconn | But the lang features patch will make things easier e.g. for recording |
| 12:13:55 | safetydan | but ondio* makes more sense |
| 12:14:06 | amiconn | aha. |
| 12:14:14 | Mikachu | is that a stupid idea? |
| 12:14:15 | JdGordon | Mikachu: that strings idea might even work! |
| 12:14:31 | JdGordon | except just using the lang.c file would be better |
| 12:14:43 | Mikachu | in sub parsetarget{} just add a check that the string is somewhere in the binary |
| 12:14:59 | amiconn | Oh, and setting a string to NONE will break backwards compatibility of the .lng files for those target(s) |
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| 12:15:36 | Bagder | amiconn: a cleanup could very well be allowed to do that I would think |
| 12:16:09 | amiconn | Therefore the binary lng version needs to be bumped, but (1) that shouldn't be done often and (2) the voice files currently don't have that version. They'll mess up without rockbox noticeing |
| 12:16:20 | Bagder | I doubt very many people mix .lng files with other rockbox versions |
| 12:16:28 | amiconn | That's why this whole cleanup should be done in one huge patch |
| 12:16:29 | Mikachu | aren't .lng files bundled in the zip file? |
| 12:16:47 | amiconn | Bagder: Probably not .lngs but voices is a big problem |
| 12:16:50 | JdGordon | if your going to breack backwards compat, maybe it might be a good time to rename any really badly named strings? |
| 12:17:03 | Bagder | amiconn: we should probably start with adding such a number in the voice files |
| 12:17:25 | amiconn | The voice files as well as the lng files need both a version number and a target id |
| 12:17:31 | Bagder | yes |
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| 12:17:42 | Mikachu | so the auto thing would not work if you're using voices? |
| 12:18:03 | Bagder | correctomente |
| 12:18:18 | Bagder | or it would need some adjustments at least |
| 12:18:27 | Mikachu | get preglow to port espeak :) |
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| 12:18:55 | * | Bagder has a "voice-pool" dir on the build server... |
| 12:19:00 | Bagder | "Please remove multimedia card".mp3 |
| 12:19:08 | Bagder | :-) |
| 12:19:22 | safetydan | So is this worth starting by hand or should I wait someone cleverer than me to write a script to do the bulk of the work? |
| 12:19:40 | safetydan | I've already done the obvious strings (hardware eq, agc, mmc) |
| 12:19:52 | Mikachu | i have a feel that change will somehow break my having enabled multiple partitions on my ipod :) |
| 12:19:57 | Mikachu | but that's entirely my problem |
| 12:20:06 | * | JdGordon likes Mikachu's strings idea |
| 12:20:24 | Mikachu | if the strings come from genlang in the first place, it probably won't work |
| 12:21:15 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Why did you enable multiple partitions? |
| 12:21:54 | Mikachu | because i created a second partition (third technically) because i felt unsafe extending the main fat partition into where the ipod firmware writes its hibernation image if you leave it alone for long enough |
| 12:22:10 | linuxstb | Ah, so you've kept the Apple firmware? |
| 12:22:22 | Mikachu | yeah, the emergency transfer is painfully slow on my nano |
| 12:22:38 | Mikachu | like 5 minutes just to copy rockbox over iirc |
| 12:22:47 | linuxstb | Then implement a USB disk mode in Rockbox :) |
| 12:22:58 | Mikachu | this was easier :P |
| 12:23:05 | linuxstb | Bah... |
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| 12:25:03 | linuxstb | Using viewvc, how can I see deleted files? With CVS, I would just look in Attic. |
| 12:25:16 | DataGhostUni | hibernation image? where does it write that :P |
| 12:25:16 | Mikachu | you can view older revisions i think |
| 12:25:23 | Mikachu | to the firmware partition, which i shrank |
| 12:25:29 | DataGhostUni | oh |
| 12:25:34 | Mikachu | it would be unfortunate if it overwrote my fat partition without checking |
| 12:25:38 | DataGhostUni | that doesn't sound very positive for my ext3 partition |
| 12:25:53 | Mikachu | you'll have to leave it on for maybe 24 hours or so |
| 12:26:08 | DataGhostUni | but I think I already made it 'sleep forever' |
| 12:26:13 | DataGhostUni | or doesn't 5.5G store such an image? |
| 12:26:16 | Mikachu | linuxstb: in the "sticky revision" box at the top |
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| 12:26:34 | linuxstb | Mikachu: But I don't know what revisions contained the file... |
| 12:27:05 | Mikachu | Dead files cannot be shown in Subversion repositories. The only way to see a deleted file in a Subversion directory is to navigate to a sticky revision where the file previously existed. |
| 12:27:08 | JdGordon | linuxstb: cant you type the name of the filename into the url and you will see its changelog up unitll it was deeted? |
| 12:27:08 | Mikachu | says the help page |
| 12:27:10 | daurnimator | hey all |
| 12:27:38 | Mikachu | JdGordon: that will give an error |
| 12:27:39 | JdGordon | hey daurnimator, did you lose power yesterday? |
| 12:27:48 | daurnimator | no |
| 12:27:52 | daurnimator | did you? |
| 12:28:05 | Mikachu | daurnimator: i mean it, no |
| 12:28:06 | JdGordon | no, but 2 streets over all the way to the city did :D |
| 12:28:13 | linuxstb | JdGordon: It doesn't seem to work... I'm specifically looking for the old othello/reversi plugin, and the reason it was removed. |
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| 12:28:29 | JdGordon | we had othello? :'( |
| 12:28:34 | daurnimator | and over to footscray |
| 12:28:42 | daurnimator | Mikachu: spoil sport |
| 12:28:45 | Mikachu | 2004-06-08 11:14 zagor |
| 12:28:45 | Mikachu | * [r4722] apps/plugins/othelo.c, apps/plugins/othelo.txt: Othelo |
| 12:28:45 | Mikachu | removed due to legal issues. |
| 12:28:48 | Bagder | linuxstb: afaik, it was bluechip's creation |
| 12:29:13 | linuxstb | Bagder: So what were the "legal issues" ? |
| 12:29:34 | Bagder | us wanting the real name of the authors |
| 12:29:47 | linuxstb | Ah yes. |
| 12:29:59 | Bagder | and it might've been something else too, I don't recall the exact details |
| 12:30:16 | linuxstb | I'm just wondering if there would be any problem with a new version. |
| 12:30:37 | Mikachu | haha |
| 12:30:41 | Mikachu | Greetz |
| 12:30:41 | Mikachu | ====== |
| 12:30:41 | Mikachu | mk, pajaco, DevZer0, jzoss, LinusN, Zagor, Cyborg, Lord Grumble |
| 12:30:44 | safetydan | Bagder, any chance of genlang supporting somewhat more generic target strings? Like swcodec, remote, or similar? |
| 12:30:49 | Mikachu | straight from the demo scene |
| 12:31:13 | Bagder | safetydan: yeps, we have a 'feature' patch that will allow us to set strings based on features in addition to specific targets |
| 12:31:22 | safetydan | cool |
| 12:31:37 | safetydan | So is this patch on the tracker? |
| 12:31:47 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/lang-features-2.patch |
| 12:32:19 | Bagder | linuxstb: I believe there's a trademark on the name Othello that people seem to avoid, but other than that I don't think so |
| 12:32:43 | Bagder | Mikachu: me, zagor and LinusN all started out on the C64 demo scene back in the 80s |
| 12:32:47 | daurnimator | common usage... |
| 12:33:01 | daurnimator | like the word "chess", or "go" - right? |
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| 12:33:18 | Mikachu | i'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, just looks funny in the rockbox tree |
| 12:33:30 | safetydan | Bagder, any reason that hasn't been comitted or is it not backwards compatible? |
| 12:33:57 | Bagder | safetydan: no reason really, we just haven't put enough attention on that issue |
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| 12:34:24 | Bagder | daurnimator: so we send any future lawyers to you then? |
| 12:34:51 | daurnimator | send them to sealand |
| 12:34:53 | linuxstb | According to wikipedia, Othello is trademarked - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversi - so I guess we should avoid that name for any plugin. |
| 12:34:54 | daurnimator | XD |
| 12:35:26 | JdGordon | can we call it "not-reversi" ? |
| 12:35:37 | safetydan | JdGordon, forwadsi maybe? |
| 12:35:39 | LinusN | "inversi" |
| 12:35:44 | safetydan | forwardsi even |
| 12:35:46 | Bagder | it is even Mattel that owns the trademark |
| 12:35:55 | Mikachu | "that thing where you put black and white markers on an 8x8 board" |
| 12:36:00 | Bagder | and they are hunters of wrong-doers |
| 12:36:11 | JdGordon | they trademarked the si part.. so all those are bad :D |
| 12:36:14 | Mikachu | how about "barbie's othello"? |
| 12:36:24 | Bagder | haha |
| 12:36:35 | Mikachu | two wrongs make a right |
| 12:36:59 | Mikachu | and drive off a cliff |
| 12:37:17 | linuxstb | There's a freeware othello program called Zebra... |
| 12:37:51 | linuxstb | With the URL http://radagast.se/othello/ :) |
| 12:38:02 | LinusN | we could always go the usual path...... "rockthello" :-P |
| 12:38:09 | * | Bagder faints |
| 12:38:26 | Mikachu | reversebox |
| 12:38:28 | LinusN | "Reversox" :-) |
| 12:38:28 | Mikachu | xob! |
| 12:38:31 | JdGordon | does anyone else see a problem with the general idea of the game?? maybe we just call it genocide? |
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| 12:38:49 | webguest99 | roolku: ping |
| 12:39:45 | safetydan | hrmm... my make-fu is weak |
| 12:40:01 | safetydan | No rule to make target features.txt |
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| 12:40:12 | voltagex | hey |
| 12:40:15 | LinusN | ho |
| 12:40:21 | JdGordon | lets go! |
| 12:40:35 | voltagex | anything interesting happening to RockBox |
| 12:40:49 | LinusN | nah, business as usual :-) |
| 12:41:00 | LinusN | ipod 5.5g support is on the way |
| 12:41:09 | voltagex | I want that coldfire ASM patch damnit! |
| 12:41:21 | voltagex | but I'll settle for the cuesheet patch right now. |
| 12:41:35 | linuxstb | voltagex: Talking about mpegplayer? |
| 12:41:57 | voltagex | linuxstb: yep |
| 12:42:29 | linuxstb | You can have the ASM part, just not the part that uses more IRAM - see the comments on the patch tracker. |
| 12:43:07 | safetydan | ah, now I understand that features patch |
| 12:43:22 | webguest99 | Reg. simulator: do the LCD routines get simulated and if yes how? So if there's an error in the LCD driver for a platform, will it show up in the sim? |
| 12:43:29 | * | safetydan talks to self in a room of a 150 other people |
| 12:43:37 | safetydan | webguest99, no |
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| 12:44:00 | Mikachu | webguest99: the simulator is pretty much for simulating apps/ |
| 12:44:01 | safetydan | The simulator is just that. If there's a problem with the actual LCD driver for a target, it won't show up there. |
| 12:44:10 | webguest99 | safetydan: so it should be tested on the appropriate target, right? |
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| 12:44:21 | safetydan | webguest99, yup |
| 12:44:27 | webguest99 | safetydan: thanks! |
| 12:44:48 | linuxstb | webguest99: The "LCD driver" is in two parts - the code that draws into the LCD framebuffer, and the code that updates the physical LCD with the contents of the framebuffer. The first part runs on the sim (so bugs there will show), but the second part is replaced by SDL code in the sim. |
| 12:45:10 | linuxstb | But I think the gigabeat is a special case (if that's your target), as it uses DMA for drawing in the framebuffer... |
| 12:45:23 | roolku | Hi webguest99 |
| 12:46:06 | webguest99 | linuxstb: I'm trying to understand what could be the cause for problems in http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6509, so you're right, we're dealing with gigabeat |
| 12:47:37 | webguest99 | This CAN'T be the general plugin issue. Or maybe the colors should be set in a different way for that platform? |
| 12:47:46 | JdGordon | ok, guys, does everyone want the setting in .cfg file patch enough that it should be seperated from the menu recoding? (so we could have settings on disk as early as the week end?) |
| 12:48:16 | webguest99 | roolku: hey! Are you following the discussion? |
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| 12:56:05 | roolku | webguest99: a little busy atm - trying to catch up now |
| 12:57:16 | linuxstb | webguest99: Are you running an up-to-date Rockbox? There was a bug in the LCD code introduced a couple of days ago, which (I think) was fixed yesterday. |
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| 13:00:35 | Kids | hey everyone |
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| 13:00:41 | roolku | linuxstb: I updated 2h ago |
| 13:00:47 | safetydan | well guess I'll have to continue this langv2 fun later |
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| 13:01:33 | roolku | webguest99: what puzzles me most is the fact that not only are the black markers not displayed - they don't exist for the game engine either |
| 13:02:38 | Kids | hey i was wondering if i could get a few questions answerd about rockbox |
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| 13:03:44 | petur | Kids: you checkd the website (FAQ) already? |
| 13:03:49 | roolku | webguest99: also there is a black marker in the top right. |
| 13:04:42 | Kids | i have a Cowon A2 but previously owned an iriver H320, i know the cowon community is developing their own bootloader and applets but though it would probably be easier to port rockbox, i would like to know what sort of information would help people in the cowon community port it, such as a list of components inside teh device etc? |
| 13:05:56 | Bagder | Kids: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 13:06:11 | Kids | cheers |
| 13:06:13 | Bagder | that's a rough guide on how to proceed |
| 13:06:55 | barrywardell | linuxstb: |
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| 13:07:17 | barrywardell | i have a patch for creating sysfont.h |
| 13:07:37 | webguest99 | roolku: hmm... then we have to add some debug/logf statements to find out what's going on |
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| 13:08:05 | barrywardell | barrywardell.net/assets/files/sysfont.h.patch">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/sysfont.h.patch |
| 13:08:53 | barrywardell | linuxstb, LinusN: what do you think? |
| 13:09:00 | linuxstb | roolku: Do they show in the sim and not on the target? Or on neither? |
| 13:09:13 | webguest99 | roolku: does the plugin run on the gigabeat sim? |
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| 13:09:37 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I think -h should take a path as an option. |
| 13:09:54 | barrywardell | it does |
| 13:10:02 | roolku | webguest99: I'm currently at work so I am a little handicapped - I'll see if I can get it compiled, but it might take a while |
| 13:10:47 | webguest99 | roolku: ok, don't be in hurry :-) |
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| 13:11:49 | LinusN | barrywardell: looks fine to me |
| 13:12:18 | LinusN | barrywardell: looks like we want a way for the bootloaders to share code, e.g printf() |
| 13:12:39 | barrywardell | agreed |
| 13:13:00 | LinusN | shouldn't be too hard |
| 13:13:14 | linuxstb | I was thinking the same - just add a common.c |
| 13:13:17 | Bagder | barrywardell: patch looks fine |
| 13:13:46 | barrywardell | Bagder, LinusN: great. i'll commit it now... |
| 13:13:59 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I didn't get to the end of your patch, where I see you call convbdf twice. That's probably a better way than the bmp2rb build system, which just calls bmp2rb once - although bmp2rb is called many more times.... |
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| 13:15:21 | barrywardell | linuxstb: ah, i see. i think for this case it's simpler to call convbdf twice |
| 13:15:30 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Yes, I agree. |
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| 13:16:40 | linuxstb | Is sysfont.c used for the Player as well? |
| 13:16:56 | Bagder | no |
| 13:18:06 | linuxstb | But I guess including sysfont.h won't hurt. |
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| 13:18:54 | Liarsambition | puh |
| 13:18:56 | Liarsambition | stupid wireless |
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| 13:20:42 | Bagder | www.portalplayer.com now redirects over to "http://www.nvidia.com/page/home.html" |
| 13:21:25 | linuxstb | And they've published datasheets, right? |
| 13:21:34 | barrywardell | linuxstb, Bagder: sysfont.h has a check for HAVE_LCD_BITMAP |
| 13:22:42 | Liarsambition | what the |
| 13:22:46 | decayedcell | do you reckon nVidia will provide some documentation? |
| 13:22:57 | Liarsambition | what is the ping timeout setting on this server |
| 13:22:57 | Liarsambition | a year? |
| 13:22:59 | barrywardell | so including it in Player builds does nothing |
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| 13:23:23 | amiconn | barrywardell: Why even create sysfont.h for charcell? Makes no sense to me |
| 13:23:54 | linuxstb | sysfont.c is generated for charcell. I guess it's just easier. |
| 13:24:23 | linuxstb | Presumably the linker excludes it. |
| 13:24:27 | barrywardell | amiconn: true. i could add an #ifdef to font.h's include... |
| 13:24:39 | markun | amiconn: Do you think now is good time to rename apps/player and recorder to lcd-charcell and lcd-bitmap or something like that? |
| 13:25:32 | linuxstb | There are other things, like the radio and recording screens in apps/recorder/ |
| 13:26:10 | markun | they are used only for the recorder? |
| 13:26:34 | amiconn | nope |
| 13:26:54 | linuxstb | I'm just saying lcd-bitmap isn't an appropriate name. |
| 13:27:13 | linuxstb | Unless we move the radio and recording screens elsewhere. |
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| 13:28:41 | LinusN | we should move those |
| 13:28:55 | LinusN | i don't like apps/ and firmware/ either |
| 13:29:42 | linuxstb | I like the fact that it creates an abstraction between the higher-level and lower-level code. |
| 13:29:42 | markun | LinusN: the names or splitting the files up like that? |
| 13:30:00 | LinusN | primarily the names |
| 13:30:17 | LinusN | and also the partitioning in some cases |
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| 13:31:46 | barrywardell | Bagder: any idea about those build errors? i can't reproduce them here. |
| 13:32:11 | Bagder | oh |
| 13:32:14 | * | petur discovers a big Belgian electronics and music chain starts selling DRM-less audio (mp3) |
| 13:32:39 | petur | 150000 songs to start with |
| 13:32:53 | linuxstb | Do they sell within the whole EU? |
| 13:33:01 | bluebrother | hmm, the website menu still has "CVS builds" (but links to build.rockbox.org) |
| 13:33:05 | * | petur checks |
| 13:33:19 | kclaf2K7 | same in France |
| 13:33:28 | Bagder | bluebrother: you are about #17 who mentions that ;-) |
| 13:33:31 | kclaf2K7 | FnacMusic & Virgin sell without DRM |
| 13:33:37 | kclaf2K7 | 150.000 songs |
| 13:33:43 | bluebrother | damn, lost the race ;-) |
| 13:34:05 | Bagder | barrywardell: I don't have time to check that closer right now |
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| 13:34:25 | petur | linuxstb: they're not online yet :( |
| 13:34:37 | barrywardell | they seem to be largely on amiconn's build server |
| 13:35:20 | linuxstb | I guess in the UK Virgin sell DRM'd music - "Please note that music purchased on Virgin Digital does not play on Apple Macs and iPods." |
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| 13:35:34 | amiconn | barrywardell: Not only mine, it seems to be the 64 bit build servers |
| 13:35:35 | DataGhostUni | finally, rofl |
| 13:35:39 | DataGhostUni | timeout after 20 minutes |
| 13:36:14 | petur | DataGhostUni: use /msg nickserv ghost |
| 13:37:18 | barrywardell | amiconn: indeed. i can't see what's causing the problem though |
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| 13:39:47 | DataGhostUni | petur this one isn't registered :) I just logged on, this is not my home connection etc |
| 13:39:58 | DataGhostUni | but I'll consider it indeed |
| 13:40:02 | DataGhostUni | gotta get back to work now :) |
| 13:40:24 | petur | DataGhostUni: you can link several nicks |
| 13:40:45 | DataGhostUni | nice |
| 13:40:48 | DataGhostUni | are you registered? |
| 13:40:50 | Nico_P | Bagder, LinusN: do you have any objections on commiting the cuesheet support patch when it's a bit more polished ? |
| 13:40:52 | DataGhostUni | can you pm that to DataGhost? :) |
| 13:40:57 | DataGhostUni | so I won't forget :P |
| 13:41:46 | petur | DataGhostUni: done ;) |
| 13:41:53 | DataGhostUni | thanks :) |
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| 13:42:21 | amiconn | barrywardell: convbdf -h definitely segfaults on amd64 |
| 13:42:51 | barrywardell | amiconn: i think i see the a possible problem |
| 13:43:07 | amiconn | The segfault is in libc, strlen() |
| 13:43:29 | LinusN | JdGordon: your last cuesheet patch is *very* small |
| 13:44:06 | JdGordon | LinusN: yeah, its only the changes to the 2 files, the rest of my tree had comflicts |
| 13:44:09 | JdGordon | conflicts |
| 13:44:29 | daurnimator | JdGordon: i'm bored. |
| 13:44:49 | barrywardell | amiconn: can you try this: barrywardell.net/assets/files/convbdf.c">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/convbdf.c |
| 13:44:51 | JdGordon | daurnimator: daysofwonder.com sign up and play the ticket to ride game |
| 13:45:04 | LinusN | JdGordon: so the patch is not committable then? |
| 13:45:14 | Nico_P | JdGordon: i've seem your last comment |
| 13:45:21 | amiconn | barrywardell: Here's a backtrace, can't make sense of it yet http://pastebin.ca/319493 |
| 13:45:21 | Nico_P | didn't look at the patch yet though |
| 13:45:54 | barrywardell | amiconn, i think i found the problem |
| 13:46:01 | JdGordon | LinusN: yeah, i changed my mind, the comment hopefully is clear... there is a problem (imo) but others may disagree, with using the MPA attribute |
| 13:46:05 | JdGordon | in the tree |
| 13:46:07 | barrywardell | missing a parameter in fprintf |
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| 13:46:14 | Nico_P | wow short patch indeed |
| 13:46:52 | Nico_P | JdGordon: at first i tried to give it another attribute (one i created for cuesheets), but i had to make lots of changes in the code |
| 13:47:05 | Nico_P | so i decided to stick with the MPA one |
| 13:47:05 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 13:47:26 | Nico_P | but i thought i would be able to choose the icon independantly of the attribute... |
| 13:47:35 | JdGordon | if we stick with mpa, then it has to have the audio icon, and it (and its .mp3) will both be added during a regular folder playlist |
| 13:47:37 | Nico_P | s/of/from |
| 13:47:40 | LinusN | i'm not sure i like the MATCH macro |
| 13:48:09 | LinusN | 1) it hides code for no reason |
| 13:48:22 | barrywardell | amiconn: does that new convbdf work for you? |
| 13:48:28 | LinusN | 2) it calculates the string length at run time |
| 13:48:29 | amiconn | w8 |
| 13:48:33 | Nico_P | JdGordon: i'm not sure it's a problem... the user might want to add the audio file without the cuesheet sometimes |
| 13:48:40 | linuxstb | Where is the latest cuesheet patch? |
| 13:48:52 | Nico_P | a solution is to have the audio files in a subdir |
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| 13:48:56 | JdGordon | LinusN: yeah, that was because i was lazy, the strlen part is bad tho |
| 13:49:18 | LinusN | as always, KISS is better |
| 13:49:29 | Nico_P | I think the MPA attr is good but i'd like to change the icon |
| 13:49:39 | JdGordon | Nico_P: i see the problem as the playlist would automatically add the .cue and .mp3 one after another... |
| 13:49:41 | Nico_P | linuxstb: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6460 |
| 13:49:52 | linuxstb | But the last patch there is incomplete. |
| 13:50:02 | JdGordon | either the .cue should not be added, or the mp3 should only be added if there isnt a .cue (which isnt very nice) |
| 13:50:14 | Nico_P | linuxstb: look the previous one |
| 13:50:30 | amiconn | barrywardell: works. |
| 13:50:53 | Nico_P | JdGordon: i'm syaing this is not really a prob... the user can manually add the cue or the MP3 |
| 13:51:03 | amiconn | Hmm, convbdf should have one more switch that restricts conversion to pure ascii (chars 32..126) |
| 13:51:04 | JdGordon | Nico_P: oh, i made some changes to cuesheet.c which i forgot to put in the patch, just some safety checks, and the viewer should use the plugin ram instaed of MAX_TRACKS |
| 13:51:16 | linuxstb | IMO, the .cue shouldn't be marked as an audio file, just picked up automatically when the associated audio file is played. |
| 13:51:16 | Nico_P | and if he wants to add a whole dir of cues, he can have the audi files in a subdir and make the cues point to them |
| 13:51:49 | JdGordon | Nico_P: but a standard .cue expects the mp3 in the same folder doesnt it? |
| 13:51:52 | Nico_P | linuxstb: it's the other way round: a cue points to an audio file |
| 13:51:56 | Nico_P | JdGordon: no |
| 13:52:12 | Nico_P | and it doesn't have to have the same name as the mp3 file either |
| 13:52:26 | JdGordon | ok |
| 13:52:43 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I know, but that causes problems. Other plugins (such as mp3cue for xmms and winamp) look for a .cue with the same name as an audio file, and I think that works well. |
| 13:52:45 | Nico_P | so i say put the cues in a dir and the mp3 in an "audio" subdir |
| 13:52:58 | daurnimator | JdGordon: i've signed up |
| 13:53:00 | barrywardell | amiconn: thanks.i'll commit the change. |
| 13:53:00 | daurnimator | now where? |
| 13:53:12 | JdGordon | daurnimator: the play games link at the top |
| 13:53:57 | Nico_P | linuxstb: the way i made it, the cue is a pointer to the audio file |
| 13:54:14 | Nico_P | this way the name of the cue and the name of the audio file are independant |
| 13:54:19 | daurnimator | JdGordon: can i play YOU somehow? |
| 13:54:48 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I understand that's the "correct" thing to do, but I still think it causes more problems than it solves. |
| 13:54:49 | Nico_P | so the user can choose to play the audio file with or without the cue |
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| 13:55:19 | linuxstb | Why would a user would want to do that? |
| 13:56:15 | lostlogic | hmm... didn't rockbox autobuilds used to run niced? It looks like they are running in a non-nice fashion now, which is clearly not friendly to our build-server hosts. |
| 13:56:29 | Nico_P | linuxstb: good point :) |
| 13:56:57 | Nico_P | so you thnik we should hide the cues and check each time an MP3 is loaded to see if it has a cue of the same name ? |
| 13:57:13 | Nico_P | maybe it would make things simpler, yeah |
| 13:57:34 | Nico_P | i'll try to do that and make a commitable patch |
| 13:57:36 | linuxstb | The downside is that extra check when an audio file is opened... |
| 13:57:37 | JdGordon | o, that would be horrible |
| 13:57:38 | Bagder | lostlogic: there's nothing changed in the acbuild.pl end... |
| 13:57:39 | * | petur discovers backawrd seeking in a large WAV is very much broken. Once it froze his h300 completely, now it actually ended up playing several minutes past the current point instead of before, but the time indication went back |
| 13:57:56 | petur | s/backawrd/backward |
| 13:58:09 | Nico_P | JdGordon, linuxstb: i can't think of another way |
| 13:58:29 | JdGordon | Nico_P: doing that would be a big hit on the people who dont use .cue, and even those that do... i would guess more ppl have more mp3z than cues |
| 13:58:48 | Nico_P | JdGordon: i agree, that's why i did it the way i did in the first place |
| 13:58:53 | lostlogic | petur: and here I thought that we'd solved at some point backwards seeks off buffer... apparently not. |
| 13:58:58 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I wouldn't call it a "big" hit, but it's a hit. |
| 13:59:31 | JdGordon | strrchr, strcpy, open calls for each track being opened... |
| 13:59:31 | Nico_P | what i don't understand is why the MPA attribute forces the icon |
| 13:59:33 | JdGordon | at least |
| 13:59:34 | linuxstb | We could of course have a "look for cuefiles" option. |
| 13:59:35 | petur | lostlogic: back seek for short amounts is ok, longer seeks (5+ minutes I think) fail completely |
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| 14:00:04 | JdGordon | Nico_P: because its simple and makes sense... |
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| 14:00:20 | Nico_P | JdGordon: yeah, perhaps |
| 14:00:32 | JdGordon | but im more worried about both the cue and mp3 being added automatically.... |
| 14:00:34 | linuxstb | How are .m3u files handled? |
| 14:00:37 | Nico_P | then i think maybe the most elegant way is to create a new attribute and make the necessary changes on the code |
| 14:00:49 | lostlogic | petur: probably 3 minutes (ram size) |
| 14:01:07 | lostlogic | Bagder: is acbuild.pl copied from the build server each time or saved on clients? |
| 14:01:07 | JdGordon | linuxstb: they are passed to the playlist creator... not directly added to playlists, so its not really what we need |
| 14:01:09 | Nico_P | JdGordon: how do you want to prevent that ? |
| 14:01:16 | JdGordon | Nico_P: i dont know... |
| 14:01:20 | petur | lostlogic: could very well be |
| 14:01:31 | lostlogic | Bagder: regardless, we should probably make it at least a little bit nice |
| 14:01:34 | Bagder | lostlogic: it is never touched by the master since it contains (or might contain) your local edits |
| 14:01:44 | * | lostlogic edits. |
| 14:01:44 | Nico_P | JdGordon: i think maybe that would be the user's responsibility |
| 14:02:02 | Bagder | I have a planned future update where the local config would be in a separate file |
| 14:02:03 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Does the patch support cuefiles pointing to multiple files? |
| 14:02:06 | Bagder | to allow the mater to update it |
| 14:02:11 | Nico_P | linuxstb: no |
| 14:02:21 | Nico_P | linuxstb: how does that work ? |
| 14:02:25 | amiconn | barrywardell: AH, the diff makes it clear why it segfaultet on amd64 but not on 32bit |
| 14:02:41 | barrywardell | it does? |
| 14:02:58 | amiconn | %d takes an int, %s takes a pointer. These datatypes are the same size on x86, but they're not on amd64 |
| 14:03:12 | LinusN | does anybody have a clue why huge seeks in mp3 files fail? |
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| 14:03:26 | LinusN | i.e resume/bookmarking |
| 14:03:34 | barrywardell | ah, i see. learn something new every day... |
| 14:04:01 | Zagor | LinusN: how huge? |
| 14:04:36 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I _think_ you can have a FILE entry within the TRACK entry. |
| 14:04:43 | LinusN | i dunno, we have several reports on failed resume on audiobook files, i guess they are >100mbytes |
| 14:04:54 | lostlogic | LinusN: are they seeks backwards that are off buffer like petur 's wav seeks mentioned above? |
| 14:04:55 | linuxstb | Nico_P: But I don't think it's important. |
| 14:05:11 | LinusN | lostlogic: no, regular resume and bookmark |
| 14:05:36 | lostlogic | hmmm... big forward seek... petur are large forward seeks in those wavs also a problem? |
| 14:05:40 | JdGordon | linuxstb: i dont tihnk cues can have more than one audio file |
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| 14:07:50 | linuxstb | JdGordon: This page says they can - http://wyday.com/cuesharp/specification.html - it says that FILE "Sets a new input file" |
| 14:08:30 | linuxstb | But I'm not saying Rockbox should support it. |
| 14:08:46 | JdGordon | oh, ok, i was going by the wikipedia article |
| 14:08:54 | daurnimator | JdGordon: pm! |
| 14:08:56 | JdGordon | the parser sort of will let that work, |
| 14:10:02 | linuxstb | I'm just testing the patch. My cuefile has PERFORMER once (at the very top), and not within each TRACK - and this isn't being shown in the WPS. |
| 14:10:13 | Nico_P | adding support for this would require quite a lot of changes to the current code |
| 14:10:34 | linuxstb | For what? multiple files? |
| 14:10:46 | Nico_P | linuxstb: yes, i was still on multiple files |
| 14:10:58 | Nico_P | linuxstb: what does it show and what should it show ? |
| 14:11:00 | linuxstb | I'm sorry I mentioned them... |
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| 14:11:19 | linuxstb | It seems to be showing something undefined - square boxes... |
| 14:11:37 | linuxstb | Or just random strings... |
| 14:11:39 | Nico_P | aaah so that's why we were getting those reports on the tracker |
| 14:11:42 | JdGordon | hmm... i got that too, but assumed that was because of other changes |
| 14:12:01 | Nico_P | should be an easy fix |
| 14:12:10 | Nico_P | i'll look at it |
| 14:12:30 | linuxstb | My understanding is that PERFORMER and TITLE should default to the global definitions, but can be overridden by the local definitions for the TRACK. |
| 14:12:41 | Nico_P | linuxstb: i agree |
| 14:12:42 | linuxstb | Sorry, just PERFORMER... |
| 14:12:54 | linuxstb | The TITLE at the top is the Album title. |
| 14:13:18 | linuxstb | And the TITLE in the track is the track title... |
| 14:14:08 | JdGordon | hmm... the problem is probably tracks that dont have a PERFORMER and are not being told to use the global one then |
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| 14:14:18 | Nico_P | JdGordon: yes |
| 14:15:02 | Nico_P | how do i go back to a clean svn ? |
| 14:15:09 | LinusN | svn revert |
| 14:15:12 | Nico_P | svn revert is just for one file, right ? |
| 14:15:30 | JdGordon | svn revert -R . for the whole tree recursivly |
| 14:15:30 | Bagder | no |
| 14:15:40 | Nico_P | ah yes thanks |
| 14:15:50 | JdGordon | Nico_P: http://rafb.net/p/lt8PIO99.html |
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| 14:18:02 | JdGordon | Nico_P: http://rafb.net/p/0TdC4m84.html sorry, forgot a check thats needed |
| 14:18:39 | Nico_P | ah so that uses the plugin buffer to display a cuesheet ? |
| 14:19:07 | Nico_P | why is using a local struct cue_track_info tracks[MAX_TRACKS] wrong ? |
| 14:19:11 | linuxstb | Is the max_cuesheet_tracks setting needed? What about an "enable cuesheets" setting instead - which could be used to make Rockbox search for cuesheets. |
| 14:20:29 | JdGordon | Nico_P: youll run out of stack space... |
| 14:20:40 | Nico_P | linuxstb: if we use a simple on/off setting, we would have 2*100 tracks in memory |
| 14:20:48 | Nico_P | JdGordon: it seems to work |
| 14:21:06 | JdGordon | ok then |
| 14:21:19 | linuxstb | But doesn't a track just need 4 bytes to store the offset/ |
| 14:21:20 | linuxstb | ? |
| 14:21:40 | linuxstb | And I thought only 99 tracks were allowed in a cue anyway. |
| 14:21:45 | Nico_P | linuxstb: no, there are all the info strings |
| 14:21:48 | JdGordon | and the title and performer strings |
| 14:22:00 | Nico_P | linuxstb: yeah, maybe it's 2*99 |
| 14:22:01 | JdGordon | saves har disk access |
| 14:22:16 | JdGordon | hard* |
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| 14:23:42 | Nico_P | JdGordon: maybe it would be simpler to just have an on/off setting |
| 14:24:12 | Nico_P | is there an enormous difference between 40 tracks and 198 tracks in memory ? |
| 14:24:26 | JdGordon | I'm ok with adding both... yes |
| 14:24:42 | Nico_P | what do you mean ? on/off setting ? |
| 14:24:52 | JdGordon | on/off and max tracks |
| 14:24:58 | Nico_P | ok |
| 14:25:04 | LinusN | how many bytes are used per track? |
| 14:25:13 | JdGordon | the low mem targets wont like 198 tracks in ram |
| 14:25:28 | JdGordon | 132bytes |
| 14:25:30 | Nico_P | maybe we could have a special ifdef for them |
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| 14:26:32 | * | JdGordon would love a malloc for these strings :D |
| 14:26:48 | LinusN | i think a simple on/off would suffice |
| 14:26:52 | Nico_P | JdGordon: this is taboo :) |
| 14:27:12 | Nico_P | LinusN: fine... what about low mem targets ? |
| 14:27:36 | LinusN | the archos targets have more issues with code mem than ram mem |
| 14:27:37 | Mikachu | what lowmem target are also swcodec? |
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| 14:27:52 | LinusN | Mikachu: none so far |
| 14:28:03 | Mikachu | oh right this still works for mp3 files, not thinking straight |
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| 14:28:59 | JdGordon | LinusN: its 26400 bytes if its enabled, you saying thats fine if its from the buffer_alloc() ? |
| 14:29:15 | LinusN | yes i think so |
| 14:29:43 | JdGordon | ok then |
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| 14:30:40 | LinusN | it would be so nice if we could re-allocate all buffer allocs |
| 14:30:50 | LinusN | but we're not there yet |
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| 14:31:03 | JdGordon | I have an idea for the handling in the tree... what about when the tree in ft_load() (or whereever it is), if a .cue is found, it checks for the file in the cuesheet, and if its in the same directory it is removed from the tree? |
| 14:31:21 | linuxstb | If we have an enable_cuesheets option, what do people think about using that to tell Rockbox when to look for a cuefile from the audio file? |
| 14:32:53 | linuxstb | JdGordon: That seems like a lot of work when displaying a directory... |
| 14:33:15 | JdGordon | it would only be run if a .cue was found tho |
| 14:33:23 | JdGordon | but yeah |
| 14:33:37 | LinusN | and it would spin up the disk, even when you have dircache |
| 14:33:41 | linuxstb | It also feels a bit like a hack. |
| 14:33:51 | preglow | yes |
| 14:33:54 | LinusN | let's not go there |
| 14:33:58 | preglow | cues should be treated like playlists, if you ask me |
| 14:34:05 | LinusN | it's a silly place |
| 14:34:52 | Nico_P | LinusN: are you ok with the way it's done currently ? ie the cue is a pointer to the audio file, wherever the audio file is |
| 14:35:39 | linuxstb | The problem being that if they are both in the same directory (which I think is how people normally store them), they will both be added to the playlist... |
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| 14:35:56 | preglow | that's how all players i've seen handle cue files |
| 14:36:02 | preglow | it's not a problem, it's the consequence of a hack |
| 14:36:10 | preglow | lets not work around that |
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| 14:36:16 | JdGordon | then the patch is good how it is |
| 14:36:28 | LinusN | Nico_P: i think so, it looks clean |
| 14:36:56 | preglow | how does it handle inaccurate seeking in mp3s so far? |
| 14:37:03 | JdGordon | Nico_P: oh, thats right... the reason the audio icon is used is because the function which is called to et the icon only looks at the attriubute |
| 14:37:50 | linuxstb | preglow: The plugins I've seen look for a .cue file with the same name as any audio file you play, and then use it. |
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| 14:39:09 | bluebrother | we should keep in mind that sid also can contain subsongs ... and that should get a better handling at some point also |
| 14:39:34 | linuxstb | It just seems to fit better into Rockbox if we make the audio file the main file, and the cuesheet as something attached to that audio file. |
| 14:40:30 | linuxstb | A sort of external metadata. |
| 14:41:55 | JdGordon | If we dont allow cues to be added in a normal folder play, we can give them a new attribute, which would mean a good icon. we could then add a option in the wps menu to search for .cues in the current playlist |
| 14:43:22 | Nico_P | isn't that a bit complicated ? |
| 14:43:28 | linuxstb | Why do you need to do anything extra? Just make Rockbox look for a .cue file whenever it opens an audio file (if cuesheet support is enabled). This also makes embedded cuesheets/chapters/etc work the same way. |
| 14:44:11 | linuxstb | It's a slight performance hit, but it's simple... |
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| 14:44:41 | JdGordon | ok, i suppose it is the easiest |
| 14:45:25 | Nico_P | linuxstb: but we could still play cuesheets ? |
| 14:45:39 | linuxstb | Nico_P: No. You would only play the audio file. |
| 14:45:54 | JdGordon | no, hang on... just get the playlist (once its finished leading) to check for .cues in the playlist, and if there is one, remove its audio file if it is there |
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| 14:47:21 | JdGordon | there is already a get_trackname_from_cuesheet() in the patch... |
| 14:47:54 | JdGordon | it would make a disk spin on load, but the playlist would need to buffer anyway, so no big deal |
| 14:48:07 | JdGordon | better this way, than check for a .cue based on the audio filename... |
| 14:48:12 | JdGordon | unless i got confused? |
| 14:48:31 | Nico_P | i think it could be a good way to do it |
| 14:48:45 | * | linuxstb prefers simplicity and not modifying the playlist code |
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| 14:51:00 | bluebrother | loading a metadata file instead of the real audio file in the first place won't work with other formats that can contain multiple tracks |
| 14:51:15 | bluebrother | like multi stream ogg, sid, etc |
| 14:51:20 | * | roolku has a few questions about the new splash screen for gigabeat |
| 14:51:31 | roolku | 1) Why ? |
| 14:51:34 | markun | roolku: ask sloth about them |
| 14:52:19 | roolku | markun: okay :) |
| 14:54:52 | * | linuxstb spots an array declaration in a .h file... |
| 14:55:08 | linuxstb | ... bootloader/gigabeat-splash.h |
| 14:55:29 | linuxstb | I mean bootloader/bootsplash-gigabeat.h |
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| 14:56:09 | roolku | linuxstb: yes, that was one of my questions |
| 14:56:35 | roolku | and it is huge! (and ugly - but this is a matter of taste I suppose) |
| 14:58:33 | linuxstb | Ignoring the issue of whether 150KB is a good thing to add to the bootloader, my point was that the array should be in a .c file, or even better, the .bmp file should be in SVN, and the Makefile should convert it to a .c file at build time. |
| 14:59:45 | roolku | linuxstb: I know - as it is now it is nearly impossible to change for newbies |
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| 15:00:02 | Bagder | and awkward even for non-newbies... |
| 15:00:13 | linuxstb | I've spent a lot of time moving bitmaps from .c files back to .bmp files... |
| 15:02:11 | amiconn | The boot splash is a really odd idea... |
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| 15:02:53 | Mikachu | doesn't it load rockbox in very little time to show the rockbox logo anyway? |
| 15:03:06 | Mikachu | apart from the time it takes to shuffle 150kB to the lcd |
| 15:03:07 | roolku | rockbox logo has been removed :9 |
| 15:03:09 | roolku | rockbox logo has been removed :( |
| 15:03:25 | roolku | well it exists in the bottom corner of the boot logo |
| 15:04:47 | roolku | I know that many people want a boot logo but I would prefer if it was optional and implemented as linuxstb describes |
| 15:06:21 | linuxstb | roolku: I agree, it's odd. http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/bootsplash.png |
| 15:06:56 | Bagder | amen |
| 15:07:17 | Bagder | looks like a heavy metal band cover or something |
| 15:07:18 | Mikachu | when i look at the yellow +, the + with the crown looks like really evil eyes :( |
| 15:07:21 | preglow | hahahah |
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| 15:08:24 | linuxstb | I know I wouldn't want it on my player... |
| 15:08:40 | JdGordon | haha.. that logo is awesome :D |
| 15:08:57 | JdGordon | whats with the headless animals tho? |
| 15:09:16 | LinusN | it symbolizes the headless developers |
| 15:09:18 | perldiver | thanks guys for discussing my logo, but im with you on this, it should be optional |
| 15:09:20 | Mikachu | haha |
| 15:09:26 | Bagder | hehehe |
| 15:09:34 | perldiver | or there should be an option for people to add their own ones |
| 15:09:46 | perldiver | they do have heads though |
| 15:10:11 | Bagder | well if built from a bmp, people could replace that and build their own |
| 15:10:26 | Bagder | I mean, slightly easier than now |
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| 15:12:39 | Mikachu | slightly more easily, you mean |
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| 15:20:03 | bluebrother | the logo looks like from a customized build :o |
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| 15:27:04 | Febs | That logo looks like something Frodo sees when he puts on the ring. |
| 15:27:56 | perldiver | nice interpretations, keep them coming :P |
| 15:29:50 | Genre9mp3 | how about redisigning the whole site based on this bootlogo? |
| 15:29:54 | * | Genre9mp3 ducks |
| 15:30:37 | Genre9mp3 | also change the domain name to: rockbox-the-conspiracy.org |
| 15:31:10 | perldiver | was it that exciting when the ipods got the custom splash? |
| 15:31:56 | Genre9mp3 | Is the custom ipod splash in svn? |
| 15:32:02 | * | Genre9mp3 doesn't know |
| 15:32:03 | roolku | perldiver: I don't think the IPODS have one? |
| 15:32:19 | Bagder | perldiver: this is the first startup-splash that is not the logo |
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| 15:32:35 | Bagder | afaik |
| 15:32:51 | Genre9mp3 | AFAIK the custom splash on iPods is on pJulius builds |
| 15:32:51 | Bagder | the others are custom builds |
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| 15:33:37 | icey | any 1 know how to install rockbox in sansa sandisk e250?? |
| 15:33:44 | perldiver | but yes, that was my point as well, to make it optional |
| 15:33:59 | perldiver | we just did it with sloth to test the things out |
| 15:34:20 | icey | ._. |
| 15:34:42 | Bagder | I know |
| 15:35:00 | icey | can teach me? |
| 15:35:19 | Bagder | 1 Get the Rockbox bootloader and put that on your Sansa. |
| 15:35:26 | Bagder | 2 Get a recent daily build Rockbox zip and extract that in your root file system (but never ever when in recovery mode). |
| 15:35:31 | Bagder | 3 reboot |
| 15:35:35 | icey | hmm |
| 15:35:49 | icey | the bootloader is in the website? |
| 15:36:05 | Bagder | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/PP5022.mi4 |
| 15:36:27 | icey | thx =/ |
| 15:36:36 | Bagder | you can also prepare the original firmware for dual-booting |
| 15:37:15 | icey | hmm where to get that =/ |
| 15:37:30 | Nico_P | linuxstb: about your cuesheet without performers in tracks... couls i see it ? |
| 15:37:39 | Nico_P | s/couls/could |
| 15:38:13 | icey | bagder extact the rockbox to system data? |
| 15:38:18 | perldiver | oh .cue sheet talk, exciting |
| 15:38:25 | Bagder | no |
| 15:38:32 | bluebrother | icey: you could also have a look in the manual ... |
| 15:38:56 | icey | i dont know where to find the bootloader in the first place =/ |
| 15:39:06 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Sure, one moment. |
| 15:39:18 | Bagder | icey: I gave you the URL |
| 15:39:23 | bluebrother | should be in the manual. If not it should get fixed. |
| 15:39:38 | bluebrother | bbl |
| 15:39:42 | icey | i know it now cause bagder just gave me =/ |
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| 15:44:46 | icey | bagder |
| 15:44:51 | icey | if the sandisk error |
| 15:45:06 | icey | what do i do to restart it? |
| 15:45:33 | Bagder | hold 'menu' for 15 seconds |
| 15:45:59 | icey | hmm when i on it appear same error =/ |
| 15:46:27 | Bagder | then you know you shouldn't do this in the first place |
| 15:46:51 | Bagder | so go recovery mode, put the OF back and restart the install |
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| 15:49:06 | DataGhostUni | oh god |
| 15:49:07 | DataGhostUni | lol |
| 15:49:12 | San | BANG! DataGhostUni watches 's brain splatter all over the wall as he gets shot by FPS Doug. |
| 15:49:24 | linuxstb | Nico_P: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/test.cue |
| 15:49:28 | DataGhostUni | what I just read... someone asking in a thread what would be a good solution for a 20TB backup |
| 15:49:43 | DataGhostUni | someone actually suggested using customer's PCs for that |
| 15:49:45 | DataGhostUni | using cookies |
| 15:49:46 | DataGhostUni | :D |
| 15:50:28 | GodEaterWeb | That script of San's is getting annoying |
| 15:50:39 | Bagder | San: stop that script please |
| 15:51:48 | Nico_P | linuxstb: does it also do it in the separate cuesheet viewer ? |
| 15:52:03 | linuxstb | There's a separate cuesheet viewer? :) |
| 15:52:23 | Nico_P | yes, in the context menu of a cuesheet |
| 15:52:33 | Nico_P | i get the boxes too |
| 15:52:46 | linuxstb | Yes, the performer is missing there. |
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| 15:53:56 | Nico_P | normally it should just show nothing, i don't get why there is garbage at some places |
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| 16:02:58 | DataGhostUni | am i still alive? |
| 16:03:10 | DerPapst_ | err. yes. i think so |
| 16:03:16 | DataGhostUni | phew |
| 16:03:19 | DataGhostUni | windows sucks, really |
| 16:03:24 | DataGhostUni | i just took out the battery from my laptop |
| 16:03:32 | DataGhostUni | and my screen started flashing on and off and on and off |
| 16:03:39 | DataGhostUni | had to hibernate and boot it again |
| 16:03:47 | DerPapst_ | heh |
| 16:04:43 | DataGhostUni | apart from that I just had the crazy idea of trying some windows-for-arm version on an iPod |
| 16:04:56 | DataGhostUni | But it'll probably not work / be worth the effort |
| 16:05:13 | DerPapst_ | winblows on your ipod? |
| 16:05:16 | Bagder | they won't have drivers for the hw |
| 16:05:25 | DataGhostUni | But it'll probably not work |
| 16:05:26 | DataGhostUni | :P |
| 16:05:33 | DataGhostUni | it was a nice idea in theory |
| 16:05:38 | DerPapst_ | hehe |
| 16:05:41 | Bagder | but you can write them! |
| 16:05:41 | DataGhostUni | for about... just a little less than a second |
| 16:05:42 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 16:05:47 | DataGhostUni | hehe |
| 16:05:56 | DataGhostUni | my iPod will probably blow up in my face |
| 16:05:58 | DataGhostUni | on purpose |
| 16:05:59 | DerPapst_ | maybe the unofficial released courcecode of win2k :P |
| 16:06:06 | DerPapst_ | *source code |
| 16:06:09 | DataGhostUni | hehe I still have that somewhere :) |
| 16:06:35 | DataGhostUni | it just looked like a lot of garbage and I couldn't be bothered |
| 16:06:35 | * | DerPapst_ would like to see a bluescreen on an ipod |
| 16:06:45 | DataGhostUni | I put it away somewhere but I don't know where :) |
| 16:06:56 | DataGhostUni | hm DerPapst_ you could modify the kernel crash handler.. :P |
| 16:07:06 | DerPapst_ | heh |
| 16:12:06 | GodEaterWeb | he could - but he'd still have to make his 'pod crash in order to see the BSOD ;) |
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| 16:13:26 | DataGhostUni | well... just do 0/0 ? :) |
| 16:13:35 | DataGhostUni | or would the iPod return nullity? :') |
| 16:14:11 | pixelma | as an alternative you could make rockbox run and use such a bluescreen as backdrop ;) |
| 16:15:29 | linuxstb | DataGhostUni: What kind of ARM is that windows-for-arm version for? I'm guessing not the little ARMs the ipod has... |
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| 16:17:46 | Bagder | true, I think it is for mmu-ones |
| 16:17:50 | DataGhostUni2 | ha-ha-ha |
| 16:17:54 | DataGhostUni2 | now that was damn funny }:| |
| 16:17:56 | DataGhostUni2 | 'hey, is this your UTP?' |
| 16:18:04 | DataGhostUni2 | linuxstb I have no idea :) |
| 16:18:25 | Bagder | it runs on "ordinary" arm9s for sure |
| 16:19:30 | DataGhostUni2 | ah well, doesnt matter anyway |
| 16:19:33 | DataGhostUni2 | time to go home |
| 16:19:34 | DataGhostUni2 | bye :) |
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| 16:19:58 | markun | he could also buy a Zune if he wants windows on a ARM based DAP |
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| 16:22:45 | andrea76 | hello |
| 16:23:09 | andrea76 | i try to install rockbox on my sansa e200 player |
| 16:23:35 | Juice^ | hey |
| 16:23:46 | Juice^ | did you read on the forum? |
| 16:24:01 | Juice^ | and you know that the sansa has no sound yet with rockbox? |
| 16:24:09 | andrea76 | yes yes |
| 16:24:35 | andrea76 | sorry for mi english |
| 16:24:48 | andrea76 | my |
| 16:24:52 | andrea76 | :-) |
| 16:25:02 | markun | andrea76: don't worry about that |
| 16:25:21 | markun | we've been chatting for a long time with a korean guy using machine translation.. |
| 16:25:37 | andrea76 | my problem is: i copy the file .e200 and the folder .rockbox on the disk player |
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| 16:26:16 | Juice^ | ok |
| 16:26:18 | andrea76 | disconnect from usb, restart it, but the rockbox firmware don't load |
| 16:26:18 | Juice^ | and? |
| 16:26:35 | Juice^ | :) |
| 16:26:40 | Juice^ | you need to install the bootloader |
| 16:27:28 | Juice^ | hold on, i'll give you a forum link |
| 16:27:45 | andrea76 | thanks |
| 16:28:53 | andrea76 | i think the bootloader is the .e200 file |
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| 16:29:27 | Bagder | nope |
| 16:29:38 | Bagder | that's rockbox |
| 16:30:36 | Juice^ | can't find the post where it shows you, and im on my way out actually, no time to tell... but do some searches for sansa and bootloader on the forums andrea76 |
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| 16:31:42 | andrea76 | ok thanks juice i searches in the forums |
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| 16:42:53 | * | Bagder gave in and made http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Install |
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| 16:49:15 | tchan | Is there a preferred path for trying to get an iPod/rockbox dual boot problem sorted out ? Like irc first, forums 2nd, bug tracker next ? |
| 16:49:43 | linuxstb_ | tchan: Read the instructions first - especially the warnings at the top of this page. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
| 16:51:03 | tchan | thanks that wiki page answered my question with "Rockbox loads correctly, but the original Apple firmware will not start." |
| 16:51:12 | tchan | so I guess no dual-boot then |
| 16:51:36 | linuxstb_ | Yes, but you need to use the old install tools for now - the new version of ipodpatcher has problems (which I'm investigating). |
| 16:52:07 | tchan | will do, again thanks |
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| 16:53:28 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: it's weird... when i play your cuesheet i don't get the dotted bxoes |
| 16:54:12 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: Is the performer string being cleared properly? i.e. the first character being set to zero? |
| 16:54:12 | Nico_P | also it plays the next audio file in the playlist with your cuesheet because i don't have the audio file that's specified in the cue |
| 16:54:47 | Nico_P | well yes it's zero from the beginning so if nothing is put in it it stays that way (talking about parsing here) |
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| 16:55:15 | habana | hi |
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| 16:55:37 | Nico_P | and when the WPS has to show it, id3->artist is set to cue->tracks[i].performer so that should be fine too |
| 16:55:38 | habana | could i have write acess for the Wiki ? |
| 16:56:02 | Nico_P | ... or not |
| 16:56:33 | Nico_P | err, yes it should be fine |
| 16:57:06 | Nico_P | but in the viewer i get garbage |
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| 16:57:51 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: Where is the performer string being cleared? |
| 16:58:40 | perl|work | is this talk about .cue sheet support by any chance? |
| 16:58:55 | Nico_P | well actually i think it's not really cleared |
| 16:59:03 | Nico_P | perl|work: yes it is |
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| 16:59:37 | barrywardell | habana: what's your wiki name? |
| 16:59:48 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: but when i run it in gdb, all the tracks[i].performer are "\0" |
| 16:59:51 | habana | RaphaelGoldberg |
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| 17:00:07 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: I've noticed that sysfont.h isn't being deleted when doing a "make clean" |
| 17:00:13 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: That's just luck. |
| 17:00:28 | linuxstb_ | (maybe...) |
| 17:00:29 | habana | you still suggest me to do NOT partial translations ? |
| 17:00:41 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: so what should i do ? memset the whole char array to 0 ? |
| 17:01:31 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: Yes, I would do that before you read a cue file. Or alternatively, make sure that every field is given a value. |
| 17:01:50 | barrywardell | habana: you should have access now ;) |
| 17:02:07 | barrywardell | linuxstb_: oops. i'll fix that now... |
| 17:02:32 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: I also agree with LinusN's comment earlier about the MATCH macro just obfuscating things without need. |
| 17:02:34 | habana | thanks |
| 17:03:01 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: yes, i'll rewrite that... especially as it has an strlen that shouldn't be there |
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| 17:04:53 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: I guess it's possible for tracks to have no titles as well. Not sure what should be displayed for the track name in that case - probably nothing... |
| 17:05:14 | perl|work | Track 01 |
| 17:05:34 | linuxstb_ | For non-English speakers? |
| 17:05:41 | habana | yes |
| 17:05:48 | linuxstb_ | But I don't like making up metadata on principle. |
| 17:05:48 | perl|work | i thought Track is international |
| 17:06:15 | habana | oups |
| 17:08:13 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: How does the cuesheet interact with any metadata read from the file itself? Is the cuesheet parsed before or after the in-file metadata? |
| 17:08:37 | Nico_P | before i think |
| 17:08:43 | Nico_P | lemme check |
| 17:10:03 | Nico_P | yes |
| 17:10:07 | * | linuxstb_ would still prefer the cuesheet to be considered metadata, and loaded in the get_metadata() function. |
| 17:10:56 | Nico_P | that would be more logical if we go for the "playing the MP3 loads the cuesheet" approach |
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| 17:11:31 | Nico_P | but my approach was "playing the cuesheet loads the MP3" ;) |
| 17:11:55 | Nico_P | i'm still a bit confused about the best way to do it |
| 17:12:35 | Mikachu | perl|work: why would "track" be international? |
| 17:12:42 | perl|work | "playing the cuesheet" seems more logical imho |
| 17:13:11 | roolku | I like to check for a queue sheet with the same name as the audio file - this would be in line with checking for a lyrics file or an album art file |
| 17:13:11 | perl|work | Mikachu cause all the audio equipment been using it for ages on lcd displays etc around the world |
| 17:13:18 | Bagder | I don't see how any word can be considered "international" for real |
| 17:13:27 | roolku | cue sheet even |
| 17:13:39 | Bagder | perl|work: that's because people all over accept english |
| 17:13:41 | perl|work | logical in a way that it would be treated like a playlist of sorts |
| 17:14:29 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 17:14:53 | Nico_P | Bagder: to reset everything in a struct, can i just memset the whole area it takes in memory to 0 ? |
| 17:15:10 | Bagder | yes, if reset means zero for you ;-) |
| 17:15:27 | Nico_P | ok :) |
| 17:15:41 | perl|work | Bagder but wont you agree, if you dont even know japanese you understant right away what sushi is |
| 17:15:49 | perl|work | with Track its 100 times more global |
| 17:16:05 | Bagder | perl|work: I doubt the japanese guys know what "sushi" is |
| 17:16:18 | Bagder | using latin letters and all |
| 17:16:23 | perl|work | i didnt say "know", i said "understand" |
| 17:16:31 | preglow | i think "fuck off" can be considered international :-) |
| 17:16:40 | Bagder | I doubt people in the inner of china knows what "track" is |
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| 17:16:45 | * | linuxstb_ wonders what the Kanji is for "fuck off" |
| 17:16:49 | perl|work | Bagder i bet they do |
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| 17:17:19 | preglow | i bet they don't |
| 17:17:19 | perl|work | if you ever used an audio equipment once you know what Track is |
| 17:17:20 | * | linuxstb_ goes to the inner of China to prove perl|work wrong |
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| 17:17:36 | Mikachu | perl|work: i've never had a cd player |
| 17:17:40 | perl|work | unles you're targeting rockbox of people of inner chine who never even saw a tape recorder |
| 17:17:49 | preglow | track really isn't international |
| 17:17:50 | Bagder | my cd player does not have "track" mentioned anywhere |
| 17:18:02 | preglow | but nothing is, so there you go |
| 17:18:03 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: memsetting the whole struct cuesheet to 0 before parsing seems to solve the dotted boxes :) |
| 17:18:19 | * | Bagder goes for food |
| 17:18:29 | linuxstb_ | Sushi talk making you hungry? |
| 17:18:45 | Bagder | going for lasagna tonight |
| 17:19:01 | * | Llorean has no food. |
| 17:19:10 | Nico_P | just a small doubt... is it memset(cue, 0, sizeof(struct cuesheet)-1); or memset(cue, 0, sizeof(struct cuesheet)); ? |
| 17:19:11 | Mikachu | for the record, å¯¿å¸ is sushi in japanese |
| 17:19:12 | Mikachu | :) |
| 17:19:16 | preglow | safetydan: buddy, mate, pal, up for making me a log/exp in fixed point combination? :> (for the logs) |
| 17:19:26 | Llorean | Apparently the world froze right when I was in need of some shopping, and apparently a tiny bit of ice means "everything on Earth closes" |
| 17:19:46 | Mikachu | preglow: <lame joke>not for the EXP?</lame joke> |
| 17:20:35 | Llorean | I'm glad I split those two lame jokes by accident. One after another they'd have been exponentially worse. |
| 17:20:47 | lenix | Mikachu: and in chinese, too :) |
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| 17:21:49 | Mikachu | lenix: are you sure? |
| 17:22:18 | Mikachu | just because they use the same letters doesn't mean they spell words the same :) |
| 17:22:51 | Nico_P | ok it's without the -1 (answering to myself) |
| 17:23:19 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: Yes, it's without the -1. |
| 17:23:19 | lenix | Mikachu: http://tinyurl.com/yo4t9d |
| 17:23:33 | Mikachu | ah |
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| 17:24:03 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: wanna test just to make sure ? |
| 17:24:10 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: Sure. |
| 17:24:50 | Nico_P | can i dcc you the patch ? |
| 17:25:00 | linuxstb_ | Hopefully. |
| 17:25:14 | linuxstb_ | I'm also not sure what the point of the cuesheet viewer is... |
| 17:25:33 | Mikachu | how is it different from the text viewer? |
| 17:25:47 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: that's all i had at the beginning... i chose to keep it :) |
| 17:26:08 | Nico_P | Mikachu: it doesn't display the text of the cuesheet, it displays it as a nice menu |
| 17:26:24 | linuxstb_ | Thinking about extending the patch, how about a "sub-track viewer" on the WPS context menu, which allows skipping directly to tracks? |
| 17:26:45 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: that's exactly what the "cuesheet viewer" is meant for |
| 17:27:01 | Nico_P | open your currently playing cuesheet and you'll see |
| 17:27:03 | linuxstb_ | But that won't work for embedded chapter points, SID, etc etc. |
| 17:27:11 | Nico_P | true |
| 17:27:15 | Mikachu | shouldn't the next track button do that? |
| 17:27:24 | Nico_P | Mikachu: it does too |
| 17:27:37 | Nico_P | Mikachu: you want to test the patch ? |
| 17:27:47 | Mikachu | no thanks, i have no cue files |
| 17:27:56 | Nico_P | ok |
| 17:28:49 | Mikachu | ah, you mean like the playlist viewer does for playlists |
| 17:29:02 | linuxstb_ | Mikachu: Yes. |
| 17:29:08 | Mikachu | wouldn't it make some sense to open the subtrack viewer from the playlist viewer? |
| 17:29:46 | linuxstb_ | Maybe, yes. Although I don't think you can view subtracks for all files in the playlist - just the current and next ones. |
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| 17:31:22 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: The WPS now displays (root) for the Performer - i.e. it's taking the file path. |
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| 17:31:50 | linuxstb_ | No, I lie... It doesn't seem to be reading my cuefile any more... |
| 17:32:05 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: that's because of thesetting i've added |
| 17:32:27 | Nico_P | it's in the playback menu |
| 17:32:32 | Nico_P | playback settings menu |
| 17:33:31 | tchan | linuxstb_: When I'm trying to use the old tools like ipod_fw, do I still need to do the steps like −−> ipod_fw -g 4g -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-4g.bin |
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| 17:34:15 | Mikachu | that looks like the key command you want to run |
| 17:34:15 | GodEaterWeb | linuxstb_: can you remind me why 0.6cvs isn't available to joe public on the wiki yet ? |
| 17:34:17 | linuxstb_ | tchan: Yes. |
| 17:34:39 | linuxstb_ | GodEaterWeb: Because it's still buggy. I want to fix the bugs before releasing a new version. |
| 17:35:09 | GodEaterWeb | k - I'll let the lazy git in the forums know then ;) |
| 17:35:13 | DerPapst_ | i haven't noticed any ug. just the lack of 3G support. |
| 17:35:32 | DerPapst_ | s/ug/bugs |
| 17:35:52 | linuxstb_ | They mainly affect older ipods for some reason. |
| 17:36:00 | DerPapst_ | ah. ok. |
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| 17:36:15 | DerPapst_ | if you need a 3G user feel free to ask ;) |
| 17:36:51 | daurnimator | ok, sleepy time |
| 17:37:01 | DerPapst_ | gn8 |
| 17:37:06 | * | daurnimator yerbles to Mikachu |
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| 17:37:32 | GodEaterWeb | right - I'm off. Going to see Cirque du Soleil at the Royal Albert Hall tonight - can't wait ;) |
| 17:37:56 | DerPapst_ | o.O nice |
| 17:38:30 | GodEaterWeb | later everybody! |
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| 17:44:58 | DataGhost | i'm back :) |
| 17:45:08 | DerPapst_ | w00t |
| 17:45:19 | DataGhost | hehe |
| 17:45:27 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: OK, enabling that setting obviously makes the cuesheet work, and I'm getting (root) for the Performer in the WPS. |
| 17:46:22 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: isn't that what the WPS is supposed to do when ther is no artist ? |
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| 17:46:49 | Nico_P | because on iCatcher i have "unknown artist" |
| 17:46:55 | Nico_P | with your cuesheet |
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| 17:47:26 | Nico_P | and in the cuesheet viewer i have just the tracknumer on the first line of a track |
| 17:47:39 | DataGhost | lol @ linksys iPhone |
| 17:47:48 | DataGhost | it crashes when you portscan it (the winCE version) |
| 17:47:56 | DataGhost | the guy who found out called them |
| 17:47:59 | DataGhost | he got a helpdesker |
| 17:48:03 | DataGhost | asked if portscanning wasn't illegal |
| 17:48:05 | DataGhost | :D |
| 17:48:26 | DataGhost | duh! don't lock your house, stealing is illegal anyway, heh. |
| 17:48:33 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: Yes. But the cuesheet contains the artist... |
| 17:50:08 | Nico_P | err, what do you mean ? the cuesheet performer should show as the track artist ? |
| 17:50:25 | petur | DataGhost: but if you go walking in a street and try the doors of all cars to see if they're locked, you'll get arrested... |
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| 17:51:01 | petur | this, however seems to be a case of trying the doors of your own car... |
| 17:51:12 | DataGhost | well at least those cars won't immediately crash :P |
| 17:51:31 | petur | they will when they start using Windows in them ;) |
| 17:51:51 | DataGhost | *cough* they already use windows |
| 17:51:52 | DataGhost | ;) |
| 17:52:13 | DataGhost | but I get your point, yes :) |
| 17:52:50 | | Quit Plouj (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 17:52:56 | DataGhost | 'This is your brake assist speaking... someone just portscanned your car. Fasten your seatbelts because they are the only things not computer-controlled.' |
| 17:54:43 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: i replaced the MATCH and also fixed a bug with the parsing when there were more than 99 minutes |
| 17:56:13 | DataGhost | i really need to find some crash-course for beginning kernelhackers |
| 17:56:13 | DataGhost | :P |
| 17:56:27 | DataGhost | but it's probably just going to take quite some time |
| 17:56:34 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: Yes, that was my original bug report - the first PERFORMER tag should be used for all the tracks, if there is no track performer. |
| 17:56:49 | Mikachu | does it use the mp3 tags if the cue just lists cut points? |
| 17:56:55 | Mikachu | (or whatever other format it is) |
| 17:57:39 | Nico_P | Mikachu: no |
| 17:58:26 | linuxstb_ | Also, the "previous track" skipping doesn't behave the same as normal track skipping. i.e. it always skips to the start of the previous track, rather than the start of the current track (if you are more than a few seconds into it). |
| 17:59:56 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: that's semi intentional, there are explanations about it on the wiki page for |
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| 18:00:40 | Nico_P | i tried to make it "normal" but it caused trouble because of the imprecision of seeking |
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| 18:02:28 | linuxstb_ | That's only a VBR MP3 problem though, and cuefiles are not good for that format... |
| 18:03:33 | linuxstb_ | CBR MPEG audio and (I think) all other formats have accurate seeking. |
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| 18:13:52 | robin0800 | hello |
| 18:14:07 | robin0800 | can you help |
| 18:14:48 | robin0800 | need to know when cop will be added to svn |
| 18:15:30 | Bagder | you _need_ to know that? |
| 18:15:59 | Bagder | your kids are being held hostage and the kidnappers demand to know? |
| 18:16:34 | robin0800 | no just interested |
| 18:16:48 | lostlogic | and the Swedes are English grammar nazis... |
| 18:16:48 | linuxstb_ | robin0800: When the problems mentioned in the patch tracker have been resolved. |
| 18:17:38 | linuxstb_ | Nothing wrong with respecting the meaning of words... |
| 18:17:51 | w1ll14m | bagder:whahaha:) |
| 18:17:51 | Mikachu | lostlogic: no, they are swedish grammar nazis ;) |
| 18:18:05 | Bagder | :-) |
| 18:18:45 | robin0800 | ive read the patch tracker but arn't they model specific problems |
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| 18:19:22 | lostlogic | linuxstb_: oh, I quite agree −− it just cracks me up that the non-native speakers in this channel often speak English better than the native speakers. |
| 18:19:33 | w1ll14m | owyah :D just a few days:) an then my ipod 5g 60GB arrives :) |
| 18:19:38 | w1ll14m | owyeah* |
| 18:19:47 | linuxstb_ | lostlogic: Kid's today.... |
| 18:19:52 | robin0800 | new? |
| 18:19:53 | linuxstb_ | ^Kids today... :) |
| 18:21:15 | markun | robin0800: "when will X happen" is always difficult to answer |
| 18:21:24 | preglow | if not impossible |
| 18:21:35 | Mikachu | lostlogic: well, we had to study to learn it |
| 18:21:40 | markun | preglow: unless you are commiting it right now or about to do |
| 18:21:44 | w1ll14m | yeah it's brand new :) it's never used and still in the original box and plastic, a guy won this thing ... and allready had an ipod nano, and wanted to sell his ipod video that guy is crazy :) |
| 18:22:07 | w1ll14m | i bought it for 250 euro |
| 18:22:39 | w1ll14m | for a 2 months old ipod video still in box and plastic ;) it's a good price i think .... |
| 18:22:53 | w1ll14m | brb diner is ready ;) |
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| 18:28:40 | lostlogic | Mikachu: ... we have English classes every year in school through the 12th grade. You'd think that we'd learn the language. |
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| 18:29:14 | Mikachu | it's easier to pass native classes without studying than foreign :) |
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| 18:31:13 | DataGhost | w1ll14m|away why a 60GB? :o |
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| 18:41:30 | robin0800 | using senab's cop build makes my ipod perform better |
| 18:41:45 | webguest95 | hi, sorry if this has been asked before, but how do I go about getting the new 3.03US firmware from toshiba for the gigabeat? the wiki page mentioned that I needed that and my gigabeat only has a v.2 firmware... |
| 18:43:27 | markun | webguest95: I don't think you need to update anymore |
| 18:43:40 | markun | It should now work with all versions of the gigabeat firmware |
| 18:43:53 | markun | but let us know if it doesn't |
| 18:45:04 | DataGhost | lol |
| 18:45:07 | San | BANG! DataGhost watches 's brain splatter all over the wall as he gets shot by FPS Doug. |
| 18:45:08 | DataGhost | hey it's turne |
| 18:45:09 | DataGhost | no |
| 18:45:10 | DataGhost | it's not |
| 18:47:20 | Mikachu | San: can you stop that? |
| 18:47:42 | DataGhost | let's link my Uni-nick by the way, 20 mins is an extreme timeout |
| 18:48:18 | Mikachu | the other week i disconnected my ethernet cable, redid my wiring and plugged it back in another network card |
| 18:48:25 | Mikachu | and i was still connected to freenode |
| 18:48:32 | Mikachu | that is pretty impressive imo :) |
| 18:48:43 | DataGhost | whoa |
| 18:48:51 | DataGhost | something looks like ehh broken video memory :X |
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| 18:49:25 | webguest95 | markun: thanks! I'll try that in a bit then! |
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| 18:49:47 | DataGhost | no i just had to reapply my desktop background |
| 18:49:51 | DataGhost | strange OS, windows |
| 18:50:03 | DataGhost | meh, my whole machine looks like it could use a reboot |
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| 18:50:08 | DataGhost | uptime 8 days |
| 18:50:09 | DataGhost | :') |
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| 18:50:31 | w1ll14m | DataGhost: more disk capacity, more memory and the battery is also a little stronger :) |
| 18:50:48 | DataGhost | well, actually I meand.. why the 60GB over the 80GB |
| 18:50:48 | DataGhost | :P |
| 18:50:50 | w1ll14m | and now i can use my ipod 5g 30GB as a dev ipod |
| 18:50:51 | DataGhost | meant |
| 18:50:54 | DataGhost | what a typo was that |
| 18:51:05 | w1ll14m | Dataghost: 80Gb is not supported yet it's a 5.5g |
| 18:51:15 | DataGhost | heh. |
| 18:51:17 | w1ll14m | the 30gb 5g works well |
| 18:51:21 | Mikachu | it might be supported soon |
| 18:51:32 | w1ll14m | and 30 5.5g works |
| 18:51:32 | DataGhost | that didn't stop me :P |
| 18:51:57 | w1ll14m | yeah but the price..... for 20 GB more ll pay about 100 euro |
| 18:52:07 | DataGhost | oh |
| 18:52:10 | DataGhost | didn't know that |
| 18:52:40 | w1ll14m | a guy won this one.... and sells it for 250 euro because he has all ready an ipod nano :| |
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| 18:53:40 | DataGhost | lol |
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| 18:54:31 | DataGhost | yaay my nick is linked \o/ |
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| 18:57:17 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: so what do I do ? check if i'm in a VBR MP3 ? |
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| 18:58:32 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: I'm tempted to say to not worry about VBR MP3s - people should accept any problems they cause. But that's my selfish suggestion because I don't use them.... |
| 18:58:49 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: they cause big problems |
| 18:59:17 | Nico_P | ie not being able to go back when we reach the end of the file |
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| 19:04:46 | w1ll14m | nico_p: re-encode them to CBR mp3 |
| 19:04:48 | w1ll14m | Problem solved :) |
| 19:05:01 | linuxstb_ | Splitting them would be a better solution. |
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| 19:07:01 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: can you test somthing for me ? from the second track in the cuesheet, try to press PREV (with something before in the playlist)... does it go to the previous track in the playlist or does it go back t the beginning of the current audio file ? |
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| 19:07:38 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: Something odd happened when I tested that, give me a moment to try again. |
| 19:09:08 | perl|work | Nico_P as an owner of alot of cue files just want to thank you on working on this feature |
| 19:09:08 | SmilinBob | anyone know of a program that will batch convert my .wpl playlists into .m3u playlists? |
| 19:09:27 | Nico_P | perl|work: you're welcome ;) |
| 19:09:43 | Nico_P | maybe you could help me test then ? |
| 19:09:45 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: And I may seem to be critical, but I like it as well :) |
| 19:10:23 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: you're critical in the right way, thanks for that :) |
| 19:12:00 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: Hmm... Starting a playlist, with a random FLAC file, then the .cue, then the .mp2 for the cue, the first file plays, I press NEXT, and I get a Data Abort.... |
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| 19:12:14 | linuxstb_ | I've just tried it again, and it's frozen on the WPS... |
| 19:12:36 | Nico_P | not good |
| 19:13:15 | linuxstb_ | Just tried again, and it's frozen... |
| 19:13:37 | linuxstb_ | My disk seems busy doing something though - maybe dircache/database are causing a problem. |
| 19:13:55 | linuxstb_ | I mean busy when I first boot. |
| 19:14:02 | linuxstb_ | I'll let that finish. |
| 19:14:25 | Nico_P | i get the same thing on my H300 with an old version of the patch so it doesn't seem to be a new problem |
| 19:14:32 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:14:46 | Nico_P | it says "DivX0" |
| 19:15:19 | perl|work | Nico_P would love to test it of course, but at work at the moment |
| 19:15:22 | perl|work | tonight perhaps |
| 19:15:32 | Nico_P | perl|work: ok |
| 19:15:44 | linuxstb_ | If I wait for the first file to finish buffering, then select next, all is well. |
| 19:16:45 | linuxstb_ | But going back to your test, pressing PREV during the second track, takes me back to the first track (i.e. start of current file). |
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| 19:19:12 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: And I can't recreate the crash any more... |
| 19:19:27 | Nico_P | weird |
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| 19:20:21 | Nico_P | i can |
| 19:21:19 | Nico_P | only on my h300 though... which means i'd have to test my latest patch on my h300 to see... which means i have to boot windows.... :( |
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| 19:45:11 | tucoz | hello |
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| 19:45:37 | n1s | hello tucoz |
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| 19:45:52 | tucoz | sorry for the off-topic, but does anyone know of a player for windows capable of playing .rm files? |
| 19:46:16 | n1s | real playrer ;-) |
| 19:46:20 | tucoz | I am not interested in installing the real one player, or whatever it is called |
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| 19:46:37 | NSplit | leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 19:46:41 | n1s | try "Real Alternative" just the direct show codecs |
| 19:46:53 | tucoz | ah. what a nice name :) |
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| 19:47:01 | tucoz | thanks |
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| 19:47:32 | petur | or use www.nch.com.au/switch to convert to some other format |
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| 19:47:58 | Redbreva | Is there a simple way to reset default values in the ipod 5G sim? (like switching on with hold) |
| 19:48:30 | n1s | make clean && make install |
| 19:48:47 | n1s | or reset settings in the menu |
| 19:49:07 | Redbreva | hmmm, black text on black background strikes again... |
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| 19:49:43 | n1s | there should be a file called sector something, dlete it |
| 19:49:55 | bluebrother | tucoz, install RealAlternative |
| 19:50:06 | bluebrother | oh, n1s was faster ;-) |
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| 19:50:11 | Redbreva | n1s: Thanks :-D |
| 19:50:38 | n1s | np |
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| 19:52:21 | tucoz | n1s, bluebrother. thanks for the tip |
| 19:52:34 | tucoz | works nice. (well, as nice as .rm can get) |
| 19:52:47 | bluebrother | there's even Quicktime Alternative |
| 19:52:56 | tucoz | i saw that on wikipedia |
| 19:53:21 | tucoz | i am not sure that qt is as horrible as realplayer though |
| 19:53:43 | bluebrother | it is. At least, it was the last time I tried. |
| 19:54:07 | tucoz | except for the fact that you have to buy quicktime to use it in fullscreen. even if you buy a mac with osx. |
| 19:55:22 | bluebrother | hmm. IIRC Quicktime Alternative can do fullscreen. |
| 19:55:29 | bluebrother | at least mplayer can do |
| 19:55:48 | tucoz | probably. but the one installed on your purchased mac with osx can not |
| 19:56:00 | bluebrother | that's right. |
| 19:56:21 | tucoz | i find that extremly greedy of apple to do that |
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| 19:56:31 | bluebrother | gtg. bbl. |
| 19:56:35 | tucoz | bye |
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| 19:56:38 | linuxdante | hey all |
| 19:56:41 | tucoz | hi |
| 19:56:43 | linuxdante | ipod color here |
| 19:56:48 | linuxdante | daily build of rockbox |
| 19:56:50 | rp- | hi, dan_a or badger here? |
| 19:57:02 | linuxdante | installed from linux32_x86 |
| 19:57:24 | linuxdante | took the firmware and all from exacly the places in the manual. |
| 19:57:25 | linuxdante | problem: |
| 19:57:33 | linuxdante | booting crashes about 8 of 10 times. |
| 19:57:46 | linuxdante | stops at "rockbox loaded." |
| 19:58:00 | linuxdante | (or at the splash, sometimes too.) |
| 19:58:19 | dan_a | rp-: I'm here |
| 19:58:35 | tucoz | if you ask for linuxstb_ , he will probably be able to help you |
| 19:58:43 | tucoz | ^^ linuxdante |
| 19:58:47 | linuxdante | yea? |
| 19:58:53 | linuxdante | ah |
| 19:58:57 | linuxdante | mmh |
| 19:58:59 | linuxdante | it's weird. |
| 19:59:10 | linuxdante | is rockbox built on a linux kernel or on a bsd one? |
| 19:59:17 | linuxdante | or windows? |
| 19:59:23 | rp- | dan_a: can i query you? i have info from austrian micro system |
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| 19:59:31 | n1s | there's some kind of strange bug in the new installation stuff that might break older ipods |
| 19:59:43 | dan_a | rp-: What have they said? |
| 19:59:44 | rp- | about the sans DAC |
| 19:59:54 | linuxdante | break = ? |
| 19:59:56 | n1s | linuxdante: Rockbox core is written from scratch |
| 19:59:57 | dan_a | linuxdante: It's a Rockbox kernel |
| 20:00 |
| 20:00:00 | linuxdante | hardwarely break? |
| 20:00:03 | linuxdante | col |
| 20:00:04 | linuxdante | cool |
| 20:00:08 | linuxdante | good work geeks |
| 20:00:10 | linuxdante | ^^ |
| 20:00:11 | dan_a | rp-: Tell me more :D |
| 20:00:15 | n1s | no break the installation |
| 20:00:22 | linuxdante | ah fine |
| 20:00:22 | linuxdante | ok |
| 20:00:31 | linuxdante | well it boots up normally about 2 of 10 times :) |
| 20:01:35 | linuxdante | (just like now) |
| 20:01:42 | linuxdante | so installation shouldn't be broken? |
| 20:01:47 | Alonea | hey, is there a way I can turn off the left and right buttons going to the beginning/end of document for the text viewer on the gigabeat? I don't know how many times I accidentally went to the end. |
| 20:02:01 | linuxdante | dk |
| 20:03:01 | linuxdante | n1s: so what to do in my case? |
| 20:03:03 | Alonea | or how I can disable it myself in my own code. |
| 20:03:09 | linuxdante | wait? |
| 20:03:23 | n1s | yep wait for linuxstb |
| 20:03:27 | linuxdante | ok |
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| 20:04:58 | NHeal | leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
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| 20:05:21 | w1ll14m | hehe all wating for linuxstb ;) |
| 20:05:23 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 20:05:35 | linuxdante | lol. |
| 20:05:36 | sneakums | heh lol wut |
| 20:06:16 | linuxdante | could it be that rockbox dies because i've got 5000 songs on the pod? |
| 20:06:28 | linuxdante | in the apple-kinda firmwareish way? |
| 20:06:49 | sneakums | linuxdante: i have about 8500 on my h120 and rockbox handles it fine |
| 20:06:52 | w1ll14m | linuxdante: are the songs in in just one directory ? |
| 20:07:04 | sneakums | although mine are not in one directory |
| 20:07:06 | linuxdante | well they are where apple firmware puts them |
| 20:07:16 | linuxdante | so they have weird names and are spread all over folders |
| 20:07:25 | linuxdante | it could be that rockbox just dies out trying to index them |
| 20:08:18 | tucoz | /part |
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| 20:08:36 | linuxdante | −−>? |
| 20:08:47 | linuxdante | afk till 21:30 CET |
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| 20:14:11 | pixelma | Thanks Llorean |
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| 20:17:44 | Llorean | What am I being thanked for? |
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| 20:18:23 | pixelma | helping out in the forums - what else :) |
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| 20:21:02 | dan_a | Bagder: Are you around? |
| 20:21:19 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: hmm, now i have yet another scrolling scheme for ipod |
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| 20:21:48 | Slasheri | now it reacts immediately to the while speed, and scrolling speed is while_speed^2/constant |
| 20:21:56 | Slasheri | *wheel |
| 20:22:20 | Slasheri | feels like good to me, anyone want to try? :) |
| 20:23:25 | Llorean | I may take a break from actively answering questions in the forums for a while sometime soon, actually. I'm afraid I'm getting a bit shorter with people than I'd like to be |
| 20:24:05 | Slasheri | :/ |
| 20:24:22 | Febs | Slasheri: I'll try. |
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| 20:24:36 | Slasheri | Febs: what ipod do you have? |
| 20:24:41 | Febs | 5g |
| 20:24:59 | Slasheri | ok, i could send you the build rightway :) |
| 20:25:30 | Slasheri | Febs: here, if dcc works |
| 20:25:47 | Febs | Downloading now. |
| 20:25:57 | Slasheri | great :) |
| 20:26:41 | Slasheri | the wheel behaves very differently than with current version of rockbox or the original firmware |
| 20:27:00 | Slasheri | please tell then you it feels :) |
| 20:27:05 | Slasheri | *how |
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| 20:42:43 | markun | Slasheri: you implemented auto boosting in your scheduler, right? |
| 20:43:23 | Slasheri | markun: hmm, what do you mean with that? |
| 20:43:39 | markun | I thought you talked about that, maybe not |
| 20:43:44 | Slasheri | there is auto deboosting in scheduler but no autoboosting :) |
| 20:43:46 | markun | Let me search the logs |
| 20:44:01 | markun | ah, only deboosting :) |
| 20:44:01 | preglow | autoboosting is not implemented |
| 20:44:01 | Slasheri | yep :) |
| 20:44:11 | preglow | which is just fine |
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| 20:44:58 | markun | It's because we (gigabeat people) have the CPU running at 100MHz and boosting (to 300) doesn't always make sense |
| 20:46:01 | Febs | Slasheri: My initial reaction is that it is a big improvement. |
| 20:47:14 | Slasheri | Febs: nice, it wasn't that bad then ;) |
| 20:48:09 | Febs | I like it. It's certainly faster on long lists than the current Rockbox scrolling, but more manageable than tpdiffenbach's scrolling patch. |
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| 20:48:58 | Slasheri | good. i tried to do it the that it would be more accurate and slower at slow speeds |
| 20:49:39 | Slasheri | maybe there could be still some option for user to configure it by some way |
| 20:51:47 | preglow | Slasheri: nano build, please? :-) |
| 20:51:51 | Slasheri | +way. seems like a typo day today ;) |
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| 20:52:00 | preglow | markun: 100mhz by default???? |
| 20:52:12 | Slasheri | preglow: hmm, i can try but don't promise if that works |
| 20:52:18 | Slasheri | trying now |
| 20:52:18 | preglow | Slasheri: why not? |
| 20:52:23 | Slasheri | i don't know :) |
| 20:53:03 | Slasheri | seems to build fine |
| 20:53:22 | w1ll14m | bipton: Nice info at flyspray :) |
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| 20:54:15 | Slasheri | preglow: dccing it soon |
| 20:54:23 | preglow | leet |
| 20:54:47 | markun | preglow: yes, didn't figure out how to get it lower (unless we go to 17 MHz) |
| 20:55:03 | Slasheri | there you got :) |
| 20:55:08 | * | amiconn guesses that the perceived scroll speed differences on ipod also depend on the wheel diameter |
| 20:55:10 | markun | preglow: but we were getting 20 hours at 300MHz already |
| 20:55:35 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, probably not |
| 20:55:47 | Slasheri | if the scroll has 96 steps on all models |
| 20:55:50 | amiconn | That's probably the reason that makes me think the scrolling in svn isn't slow at all |
| 20:55:52 | Slasheri | *wheel |
| 20:55:53 | preglow | Slasheri: thanks, will test now |
| 20:55:57 | Slasheri | great :) |
| 20:56:07 | Slasheri | haha |
| 20:56:08 | preglow | markun: damn, holy shit, and damn |
| 20:56:14 | Slasheri | amiconn: would you like to try that new build? |
| 20:56:19 | preglow | markun: what does retailos yield in battery time? |
| 20:56:23 | amiconn | The mini's wheel is smaller than on the full-size ipods |
| 20:56:31 | amiconn | Of course it might also be the display |
| 20:57:53 | amiconn | Slasheri: Yes, all ipod wheels have 96 steps, but because of that the distance between 2 steps depends on the diameter |
| 20:58:15 | markun | preglow: someone got 19 hours in under similar conditions, but the claimed number was 16 hours |
| 20:58:25 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, that's true indeed |
| 20:58:40 | preglow | markun: so you've already beat them? |
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| 20:58:58 | amiconn | Most of my scrolling actions take less than one full circle... |
| 20:59:48 | debauched_sloth | preglow: I think so. Parity, at least. |
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| 21:00:24 | perl|work | preglow on stock fm i was reaching around 18, my latest rockbox bench was 20 hours + (before the cpu scaling) |
| 21:00:39 | Slasheri | amiconn: with my patch, now it's possible to scroll something between 0 to 100 items with one full rotation of the circle :) |
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| 21:01:08 | amiconn | Hmm, perhaps I should really check it out |
| 21:01:10 | preglow | why, oh why, is my bootloader so slow |
| 21:01:33 | amiconn | ...although I don't have problems with the svn scrolling apart from my usual problem with these touch thingies |
| 21:02:12 | Slasheri | preglow :) |
| 21:02:32 | amiconn | Slasheri: Is there a patch somewhere? |
| 21:02:53 | preglow | arghghhg |
| 21:02:59 | preglow | rockbox never boots now |
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| 21:03:45 | preglow | i need to reinstall this bootloader or something |
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| 21:05:19 | Slasheri | hmm :/ |
| 21:05:28 | Slasheri | amiconn: no patch yet, just the build |
| 21:05:33 | linuxstb_ | Slasheri: I'll take a 5g build ;) |
| 21:05:35 | preglow | Slasheri: probably not your fault, this bootloader has been really bad for the last month |
| 21:05:43 | Slasheri | need to strip out the patch of unnecessary stuff |
| 21:05:49 | amiconn | Slasheri: Hmm, mini G2 build available? |
| 21:05:53 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: ok, coming here :) |
| 21:06:18 | Slasheri | amiconn: i will do one, but no promises it works |
| 21:06:19 | preglow | linuxstb_: anything new happened ipodinstaller lately? |
| 21:06:49 | linuxstb_ | ipodinstaller? |
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| 21:07:26 | preglow | linuxstb_: the command line tool thing |
| 21:07:30 | preglow | i thought it was called that |
| 21:07:51 | BiptoN | linuxstb_: would there be a reason for the bootloader rebooting 3 times before loading rockbox fully on the 4g with cop? |
| 21:08:03 | BiptoN | unless i flip the lock switch and clear settings each time |
| 21:08:20 | preglow | linuxstb_: ipodpatcher, apparently, only the dir was called ipodinstall |
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| 21:09:14 | linuxstb_ | preglow: No, nothing new. I've been rewriting ipodpatcher a little, and managed to break my local version... I'm working on it though. |
| 21:09:35 | linuxstb_ | BiptoN: With or without CPU scaling? |
| 21:09:55 | linuxstb_ | preglow: It should be fine on the Nano though - as long as you start with a restored firmware partition. |
| 21:10:03 | BiptoN | either or |
| 21:10:26 | Slasheri | amiconn: here |
| 21:10:49 | preglow | linuxstb_: i see i backed that up |
| 21:10:51 | preglow | linuxstb_: clever me |
| 21:11:01 | linuxstb_ | Slasheri: It seems slower than SVN for scrolling within a single page... |
| 21:11:04 | BiptoN | changing the cpu frequency from 3mhz to 1mhz and the multipliers also has yeilded alot more stable results for my 4g grayscale though |
| 21:11:11 | BiptoN | even with COP applied |
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| 21:11:51 | * | dan_a thinks that getting frequency scaling sorted will resolve all the COP problems |
| 21:12:54 | Llorean | BiptoN: "A lot more stable" meaning "Freezing less" or "It hasn't frozen yet"? |
| 21:13:17 | BiptoN | no freezes yet |
| 21:13:41 | BiptoN | runnin with a 1mhz freq. scaled from 32mhz to 80mhz |
| 21:14:00 | BiptoN | been playin a playlist of 1200 musepack files since 7:45am |
| 21:14:14 | BiptoN | it's 12:13 now |
| 21:14:28 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: i've posted my latest version of the cuesheet patch on the tracker |
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| 21:14:35 | BiptoN | WPS says battery should die at 1:45 |
| 21:16:45 | amiconn | hmmmm |
| 21:17:28 | preglow | what the hell |
| 21:17:35 | preglow | Slasheri: should the backlight be dimmer too? |
| 21:17:39 | BiptoN | linuxstb_: do you know if the cop boosts also? |
| 21:17:53 | preglow | Slasheri: i like it |
| 21:18:05 | linuxstb_ | BiptoN: AFAIK, the CPUs run at the same speed. But dan_a may know more. |
| 21:18:37 | amiconn | Slasheri: The scrolling feels different, but I can't say whether I like it more or less than what is in svn |
| 21:18:39 | w1ll14m | linuxstb_: so of you change the speed of CPU also the speed of the COP changes ? |
| 21:18:42 | Llorean | BiptoN: At the moment they're at the same speed, though in theory the COP should be able to be run at 1/2 or 1/4 the speed of the main core, once we know how to get that working. |
| 21:18:46 | preglow | i definitely like it more |
| 21:18:52 | Slasheri | preglow: yes |
| 21:18:54 | preglow | you can actually scroll through long lists now |
| 21:19:29 | BiptoN | hmmmm |
| 21:19:29 | amiconn | The slowest level is considerably slower than svn, so it's easier to avoid overshooting when the list isn't too long |
| 21:19:42 | amiconn | But the accelereation feels *really* jumpy... |
| 21:19:43 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: did you try moving the wheel fast? |
| 21:20:05 | preglow | amiconn: i agree there |
| 21:20:22 | linuxstb_ | Slasheri: Yes, it seemed to take longer before accelerating than previous versions? |
| 21:20:28 | Slasheri | well, it's accelerating exponentially |
| 21:20:36 | preglow | ooooh, the ordinary list view also accelerates |
| 21:20:38 | preglow | good, good, good |
| 21:20:41 | Slasheri | that way slower speeds are very slow |
| 21:20:42 | amiconn | Hmm, and the patch doesn't solve the problem that keeping the finger on the wheel always means repeat, and hence is blocking a list wrap, even if the movement is *really* slow |
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| 21:21:03 | amiconn | Slasheri: It feels like the acceleration happens in very crude steps |
| 21:21:08 | aarond | damn it anyone who knows how to use the terminal on os x help me? |
| 21:21:17 | aarond | it keeps telling me permission denied |
| 21:21:25 | preglow | also, i don't like the way the cursor bar seems to jump around the screen when scrolling fast |
| 21:21:31 | * | amiconn also wonders why this increases bin size by 18KB (!) |
| 21:21:41 | preglow | because of the trojan |
| 21:21:49 | Slasheri | amiconn: currently i disabled the actual "stepped acceleration". Currently there is no acceleration, but the scrolling speed is directly wheel_speed^2/constant |
| 21:22:15 | Slasheri | amiconn: it's a debug build with logf |
| 21:22:21 | Slasheri | amiconn: as my builds always are :) |
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| 21:22:42 | aarond | wtf? |
| 21:23:00 | linuxstb_ | aarond: Are you trying to use ipodpatcher? |
| 21:23:07 | aarond | yeah |
| 21:23:16 | linuxstb_ | Did you type "chmod +x ipodpatcher" ? |
| 21:23:22 | BiptoN | w1ll14m: have you tried the different frequency on your 5g instead of just the multiplier changes yet? |
| 21:23:23 | aarond | nope |
| 21:23:36 | aarond | it doesnt say that here in this tutorial I dont think |
| 21:23:49 | linuxstb_ | Which tutorial? |
| 21:23:56 | aarond | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
| 21:24:10 | * | amiconn never runs logf build except for searching specific bugs |
| 21:24:15 | linuxstb_ | aarond: Step 1b) |
| 21:24:36 | aarond | crap thats what I get for being in a hurry |
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| 21:24:38 | aarond | sorry |
| 21:25:36 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: I'm still getting no Performer displayed in the WPS... |
| 21:25:52 | amiconn | Slasheri: When moving the finger faster and it starts to accelerate, the scrolling feels really jumpy. It changes between fast and slow several times per wheel "rotation" |
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| 21:26:17 | amiconn | I also get the effect of the jumping bar, as mentioned by preglow |
| 21:27:06 | x1jmp | everytime I type 'make' rockbox it recompiles the whole rockbox |
| 21:27:21 | x1jmp | it's just since today, is someone experiencing the same? |
| 21:27:57 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: well that's weird |
| 21:28:06 | amiconn | svn is definitely behaving better even for long lists |
| 21:28:19 | amiconn | It just takes a bit longer to go through the whole list |
| 21:28:23 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: Forget me, I think my compile failed... |
| 21:28:28 | aarond | drive is not an ipod, yipeee |
| 21:28:30 | Slasheri | amiconn: that jumping bar is because of display frame limit |
| 21:28:37 | w1ll14m | BiptoN: haven't tried to set the core frequency into something else then 3 MHz yet |
| 21:28:47 | Slasheri | but maybe it would be better if it accelerates slower |
| 21:28:55 | linuxstb_ | aarond: Is it FAT32 or HFS+ formatted? |
| 21:29:11 | Nico_P | Slasheri: have you implemented the "smart redraw" ? |
| 21:29:13 | amiconn | Slasheri: Huh? The bar should always be at the list end in the scroll direction |
| 21:29:14 | aarond | I formated it in windows itunes on my friends computer |
| 21:29:18 | Slasheri | Nico_P: yes |
| 21:29:22 | w1ll14m | i would think, let the main CPU run at 80 or 90MHz and the COP a little lower, because the audio thread can become heavy |
| 21:29:28 | Nico_P | Slasheri: is it a separate patch ? |
| 21:29:37 | w1ll14m | just to compensate the power usage |
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| 21:29:38 | petur | Slasheri: what you need is hysteresis in the selection of faster/slower |
| 21:29:40 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, maybe :) will be fixed before commit |
| 21:29:47 | linuxstb_ | aarond: What command are you typing? You should use something like /dev/disk1 not /dev/disk1s2 |
| 21:29:50 | amiconn | ...but it isn't. Sometimes it appears in the middle of the list out of nowhere |
| 21:29:50 | w1ll14m | anyway, ll be back :) |
| 21:29:51 | Llorean | w1ll14m: The COP can only run at 1/2 or 1/4 the main speed, or the same. |
| 21:30:04 | dan_a | w1ll14m: The plan is to run the codec thread (the most computationally heavy thing) on the COP |
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| 21:30:11 | amiconn | Btw, my long list test was in the database's track list (500+ tracks) |
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| 21:30:19 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: so, is it your build or do i have to review my code ? |
| 21:30:19 | w1ll14m | Llorean: then we'l let it run at 1/2 it the codec thread can keep up decoding |
| 21:30:36 | w1ll14m | just as example |
| 21:30:39 | Slasheri | amiconn: i have over 3000+ tracks and i can scroll from top to bottom in a few seconds |
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| 21:30:59 | w1ll14m | okay, see you later guyz:) |
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| 21:31:02 | aarond | I was trying that |
| 21:31:06 | Slasheri | amiconn: something 5-7s |
| 21:31:17 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: I think it's my build. I'll let you know. |
| 21:31:26 | aarond | with the other commands when it was wrong, and I thought I just tried that :) |
| 21:31:26 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: ok |
| 21:31:35 | dan_a | We can also set the clock to always be boosted (automatically, by the hardware) in the IRQ and/or the FIQ handlers |
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| 21:32:33 | amiconn | Slasheri: Hmm, I can't scroll the whole list that much faster than with svn |
| 21:32:36 | BiptoN | dan_a: the cop always be boosted? |
| 21:32:55 | Slasheri | amiconn: the moving bar appears because lists are always scrolled by one item at time. At first paginated scrolling kicks in and after that we start frame limit to prevent delays |
| 21:33:08 | amiconn | With svn, I can scroll the track list in ~25 seconds. With your patch I manage to do it in about half the time - with almost no cotrol where I am |
| 21:33:18 | Slasheri | amiconn: interesting, that is a long time |
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| 21:33:31 | dan_a | BiptoN: The COP will always be at the same speed as the CPU, AFAIK (or 1/2 or 1/4, when we figure out how to do that) |
| 21:33:36 | BiptoN | the COP runnin at 1/2 speed wouldn't smoothly decode would it? specially oggs |
| 21:33:42 | amiconn | Sometimes it even stops completely for a fraction of a second |
| 21:33:42 | Slasheri | how many times are you rotating the full circle in one second? |
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| 21:34:14 | Slasheri | you need to rotate it for 3-4 times/s for the maximum speed |
| 21:34:19 | pixelma | Febs: did you see this thread by the same guy.. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8229.0 ? |
| 21:34:29 | BiptoN | dan_a: sorry were you talkin about somethin else, before i asked that? |
| 21:34:42 | BiptoN | thought you were still talkin ta william bout it |
| 21:35:01 | amiconn | Slasheri: Nearly 2 rotations per second |
| 21:35:27 | amiconn | I cannot do more without making it not work at all |
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| 21:35:41 | dan_a | BiptoN: I was just talking! At 1/2 speed, it probably wouldn't decode properly. When we understand the clocks better, we can work out what thread is best on what core |
| 21:35:44 | amiconn | (svn or not - these touchy things don't seem to like my fingers) |
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| 21:35:55 | BiptoN | gotcha |
| 21:36:29 | Febs | pixelma: thanks, I had seen that earlier thread (obviously, since I posted in it) but didn't realize it was the same guy. |
| 21:36:34 | amiconn | Slasheri: I don't get this complete stopping with svn... |
| 21:37:52 | amiconn | Slasheri: Btw, why does paged scrolling kick in? I never use paged scrolling normally because it's too jumpy... |
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| 21:40:28 | * | amiconn spots even more of those bootsplash oddities in svn... |
| 21:40:46 | Moos | hi there |
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| 21:42:10 | Slasheri | amiconn: because redrawing the entire screen is too expensive unless scrolling speed is _very_ slow |
| 21:42:36 | amiconn | I doubt that there are redraw speed issues on the mini |
| 21:42:38 | Slasheri | in svn every move redraws the entire screen |
| 21:42:55 | Slasheri | now i have fixed that issue |
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| 21:43:10 | petur | didn't is move the bitmap and only redraw the missing part? |
| 21:43:16 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, that paged mode kicks in only when it's needed |
| 21:43:24 | amiconn | And even if we need to limit the framerate, switching from single-line to paged seems like too big a step to me |
| 21:43:29 | Slasheri | so it shouldn't activate too early |
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| 21:43:57 | Slasheri | amiconn: that is something similar editors such as emacs does |
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| 21:44:09 | Moos | I don't find why the new blackjack plugin doesn't build for X5, that's strange, any thought? |
| 21:44:16 | amiconn | Why not start to increase the number of lines per step instead? |
| 21:44:22 | Slasheri | when terminal or line is not fast enough, several lines are scrolled at once |
| 21:44:45 | Slasheri | hmm, that would work too.. in fact might be even better solution |
| 21:44:47 | Slasheri | i will try that |
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| 21:46:27 | pixelma | Moos: what do you mean? Blackjack has been committed to the source yesterday |
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| 21:47:02 | Moos | yeah I saw that, but just dowloaded a bleeding svn build, and blackjack wasn't built |
| 21:47:35 | Genre9mp3 | Moos: seems you are right |
| 21:47:44 | Moos | don't know why? |
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| 21:49:51 | Genre9mp3 | Moos: No, I don't know the reason... it compiles fine here (h300) but it's also missing from the h300 latest build |
| 21:50:05 | Moos | that's strange |
| 21:51:58 | perl|work | could someone direct me to the uncompressed or/and big sized rockbox logo please? |
| 21:53:18 | pixelma | really strange... I just tried to compile an X5 sim and compiling seems to have stalled after the initial steps |
| 21:53:41 | pixelma | (after svn update) |
| 21:53:55 | Genre9mp3 | pixelma: huh? trying now... |
| 21:53:55 | Zagor | perl|work: http://www.rockbox.org/rockboxHighRes.png |
| 21:54:38 | n1s | or the svg http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/manual/frontpage/rockboxlogo3.svg?revision=10805 |
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| 21:55:03 | perl|work | Zagor thats good, thanks |
| 21:55:25 | pixelma | hmm... moves on after pressing a key... (never seen that) |
| 21:55:45 | Zagor | n1s: the svg doesn't have the right texture in "box" |
| 21:56:49 | n1s | Zagor: never noticed before, hmmm, wonder if it's used anywhere? |
| 21:57:19 | Zagor | n1s: also the tiny text is dotted in the png and not in the svn |
| 21:57:33 | Zagor | still, the svg is very nice to have |
| 21:58:55 | preglow | time for new logo! |
| 21:59:02 | preglow | wasn't there a thread about that? |
| 21:59:11 | Zagor | hehe |
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| 21:59:25 | Genre9mp3 | no... please... no new logo talk again! |
| 21:59:31 | Llorean | Is there supposed to be a manual for the 1st Gen Mini? |
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| 22:00:05 | pixelma | this texture isn't easy to do in pure vector graphics... also the text is made like the pixel font style the original has (just not with the bit of padding in between) |
| 22:00:33 | n1s | Llorean: idk, isn't it very similar to the 2g? |
| 22:00:59 | perl|work | still the rockbox logo is very "transformers" if you know what i mean :P |
| 22:01:07 | Llorean | n1s: Well, if that's the case, the manual should just say "iPod Mini" or "iPod Mini 1G and 2G" rather than explicitly saying 2G |
| 22:01:40 | n1s | yes it probably should |
| 22:02:30 | n1s | Moos: Just tried a local compile for x5 and blackjack built just fine, better luck next time I guess.. ;-) |
| 22:03:25 | Zagor | perl|work: transformers? |
| 22:03:38 | Moos | I'm wondering why it doesn't compile for automatics builds |
| 22:03:45 | Moos | n1s |
| 22:03:54 | preglow | jhMikeS: so, you've got the synth fever? :-) |
| 22:04:18 | preglow | Genre9mp3: why not? high time for a new logo, if you ask me |
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| 22:05:18 | n1s | preglow: I'll support any logo you make if you get the disk poweroff comitted ;-) |
| 22:05:27 | n1s | *patch |
| 22:05:30 | preglow | there's a patch for that? |
| 22:05:35 | preglow | which does what? |
| 22:05:46 | perl|work | Zagor i know, not the bext example but it's very "mechanical" looking |
| 22:06:06 | n1s | removes the option and leaves it permanently enabled, on already supported targets of course |
| 22:06:15 | Zagor | perl|work: ah, yes |
| 22:06:30 | Febs | Llorean: the manual for the Mini is for both the 1G and the 2G. The manual itself says "For Ipod Mini." It's just the build page that says 2G, and I agree, that should be changed. |
| 22:06:31 | Moos | n1s: is there a tiny binary size gain? |
| 22:06:33 | preglow | n1s: why isn't it already commited? |
| 22:07:01 | Llorean | Febs: Alright, that makes sense then. |
| 22:07:12 | n1s | preglow: no one gave the go ahead, so it's rottinga away in the tracker |
| 22:07:41 | n1s | Moos: there is but the primary gain is less (stupid) options |
| 22:07:45 | preglow | maybe someone doesn't like it |
| 22:07:47 | Moos | preglow: while you are here, any luck with the special eq/crossfeed bands for bass/trebles for hardware that doesn't support it directly? |
| 22:07:58 | Genre9mp3 | preglow: because the current one is great and widely recognisable |
| 22:08:21 | preglow | it's not the lovelist logo ever, i think it's too busy |
| 22:08:45 | preglow | Moos: you mean treble/bass control filters for daps with no hardware treble/bass controls? |
| 22:09:05 | Moos | n1s: I have this option set yes always too, but maybe some people doesn't wanted to "lose" few ms of spining |
| 22:09:12 | Moos | preglow: yup |
| 22:09:14 | preglow | Moos: it's not my list of stuff to implement very soon now |
| 22:09:21 | preglow | i've basically got the filters needed ready |
| 22:09:26 | preglow | Moos: s/not/on |
| 22:09:28 | n1s | If we're going for a new logo, I propose a competitionthat closes when devcon begins and whoever is there will be the judges. |
| 22:09:51 | Moos | preglow: just ask if you need testers (x5 here) |
| 22:10:05 | preglow | moswill do |
| 22:10:13 | preglow | Moos: will do |
| 22:10:27 | Llorean | n1s: If that becomes the case, I'm going to end up spending a lot of money just so I can help veto logos. :-P |
| 22:10:48 | Mikachu | what would you do at the devcon? :) |
| 22:10:55 | preglow | moderate us |
| 22:11:04 | preglow | and tell us to stop being silly |
| 22:11:16 | Zagor | Moos: blackjack does compile in the svn builds, it's just one build server that appears not to be properly updated |
| 22:11:17 | Llorean | I've done that a few times to great effect. :) |
| 22:11:33 | preglow | hrm |
| 22:11:38 | Moos | Zagor: oh ok, thx for the clarification |
| 22:11:39 | Llorean | Actually, if I had the money to do so, I'd probably go just so I can see the guys face to face for once, and thank them. |
| 22:11:45 | preglow | i want a place where devs can vote for patches/features |
| 22:11:50 | preglow | should be fast enough to code... |
| 22:12:02 | Zagor | who owns xen.ihme.org? |
| 22:12:06 | preglow | slasheri |
| 22:13:14 | Moos | bye all ! |
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| 22:14:50 | Zagor | the thing about logos is that good ones are REALLY hard to make. and the rockbox crowd isn't exactly filled to the brim with skilled graphics artists. A new logo has to be a LOT better than the current to be worth the switch. |
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| 22:15:38 | Llorean | The current one is at least recognized. The new one has to be good enough that it's worth sacrificing familiarity. |
| 22:15:49 | Zagor | Llorean: exactly |
| 22:16:06 | Llorean | Plus, I think the best thing about the current one, is that it *doesn't* remind me of other logos, and that's a nice thing |
| 22:16:40 | dan_a | I think one of the ones in the forum thread fulfills Zagor's requirements |
| 22:17:13 | Zagor | dan_a: got a link? |
| 22:17:31 | preglow | doesn't really require much before i'll prefer another logo, like i said, i think the current one is waay too busy |
| 22:17:41 | perl|work | http://rbh300.chendo.net/h300expFULL.png |
| 22:17:41 | preglow | and cluttered |
| 22:17:47 | perl|work | this one wasnt half bad |
| 22:18:06 | Llorean | The h300 experimental logo feels really... without life, to me. |
| 22:18:07 | Mikachu | sort of boring |
| 22:18:16 | Mikachu | two people can't be wrong |
| 22:18:26 | Llorean | I *do* like the cube from it though |
| 22:18:28 | dan_a | Zagor: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6202.0;attach=1416;image |
| 22:18:32 | perl|work | its elegant, not boring |
| 22:18:33 | Llorean | Specifically the variants that showed up later. |
| 22:18:41 | perl|work | quite different things but ok |
| 22:18:46 | * | petur likes the cube with musicnote too |
| 22:18:59 | preglow | dan_a: that's quite nice, actually |
| 22:18:59 | Llorean | perl|work: Elegant and Boring are both opinions, and it can be Elegant AND boring, which is what it is. |
| 22:19:05 | preglow | i like the cube thing |
| 22:19:23 | preglow | but i see no reason to keep using the orange/blue scheme thing |
| 22:19:24 | Llorean | I like the cube. My personal preference is to keep the existing logo for the website, and use *just* the cube while Rockbox loads on the player |
| 22:19:27 | perl|work | Llorean we agreed on cube thing, i like that fact |
| 22:19:29 | Mikachu | shouldn't it have a rockcolored box somewhere? :) |
| 22:19:29 | Llorean | Kinda like the Apple the iPods show on a reboot |
| 22:19:42 | Zagor | dan_a: that's a nice design. not nice enough, but nice :-) |
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| 22:21:06 | petur | wasn't there a cube with note design that also had a bit of an 'R' in it? |
| 22:21:13 | Zagor | I think the cube works better with the note upright, though. as in the blue logo. otherwise it's too easy to mistake it for a black blob. |
| 22:21:13 | * | petur kicks his memory |
| 22:21:17 | preglow | also, let's change the name of the entire project! |
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| 22:21:25 | preglow | i want something prefixed with an i, please |
| 22:21:25 | Zagor | preglow: yeah! |
| 22:21:29 | amiconn_ | Imho none of these proposals can beat the current logo |
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| 22:21:33 | petur | and kick out the Swedes |
| 22:21:37 | petur | :p |
| 22:21:44 | Zagor | who was around during the initial name vote? |
| 22:21:47 | perl|work | cube with a note is nice |
| 22:21:54 | perl|work | could become very recognizable |
| 22:21:59 | amiconn | They are all polished but boring |
| 22:22:03 | Llorean | Zagor: I wasn't, but I read about it. |
| 22:22:08 | perl|work | evev without saying "rockbox" next to it |
| 22:22:15 | amiconn | ...and none of them would work well in monochrome or 4-grey |
| 22:22:25 | Llorean | I think the cube with the right-side-up-note would work really well |
| 22:22:38 | Llorean | I don't see why we need to have the word "rockbox" be part of a "logo" at all |
| 22:23:14 | preglow | amiconn: perhaps not in monochrome, but 4-grey would work |
| 22:23:29 | Mikachu | i think the box/cube should have a rocky texture to it |
| 22:23:34 | preglow | noes! |
| 22:23:37 | * | Zagor kicks Mikachu |
| 22:23:47 | Mikachu | iRock |
| 22:23:47 | Llorean | Zagor: Honestly, I'd have voted for the one that got overruled. :( |
| 22:23:57 | Zagor | Llorean: hehe |
| 22:24:12 | Genre9mp3 | iRockbox, uRockbox? |
| 22:24:18 | preglow | iBox |
| 22:24:19 | Llorean | For a while I was running a custom build with a modified boot screen just for that name to be on it. :) |
| 22:24:26 | dan_a | iIii |
| 22:24:27 | Mikachu | wiiRock |
| 22:24:46 | preglow | hahaha |
| 22:24:46 | Mikachu | try to infringe on as many trademarks as possible |
| 22:24:46 | preglow | kidneystone? :-) |
| 22:24:46 | Mikachu | haha |
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| 22:25:09 | Mikachu | barbie's wiiRock adventure in othello land |
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| 22:25:52 | jamesshuang | hi markun, just wanted to let you know, you were right, the bootloader does work with older firmware |
| 22:26:01 | jamesshuang | should I go change the wiki page to make it more clear? |
| 22:26:32 | jamesshuang | also, I think I saw it earlier, but the new bootloader doesn't relinquish control of the screen after it's done... it doesn't show the rest of the interface |
| 22:26:34 | n1s | please do |
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| 22:29:30 | jamesshuang | soooo.... yeah.... anyone have an answer on that bootloader/screen issue? I'm really eager to get rockbox up and running, but I can't do much when I can't see a thing.... |
| 22:29:46 | Soap | linuxdante^afk: Your Color/Photo iPod issue is due to a frequency scaling bug. A known bug. Nothing to do with your 5,000 songs. There is a custom _unsupported_ build in the "Unsupported Builds" forum made to address this issue until a cure is found. |
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| 22:33:49 | * | Febs observes that the note in the experimental build logo is "rightside up" whether the tail is up or down. |
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| 22:35:05 | Bagder | btw guys, I have these guidelines draft for the mailing lists |
| 22:35:07 | Llorean | Febs: I meant "right side up" as in context to the original logo, rather than the validity of the note. |
| 22:35:07 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/netiquette |
| 22:36:01 | Bagder | subject for posting to the lists with a suitable interval |
| 22:36:02 | Febs | Llorean: I don't remember what that was. With the tail down, though, it is both a quarter note (semi-quaver) and a capital "R," which I think is quite clever. |
| 22:37:07 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: I would remove the "Please" from the start of the second paragraph, and write DO NOT in capitals... |
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| 22:37:44 | linuxstb_ | But then I'm not as polite as you. |
| 22:37:45 | Llorean | Febs: Yeah. Honestly though, it just doesn't look as good to me. It's just personal taste there. |
| 22:38:20 | * | Bagder adjusts |
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| 22:38:51 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: It's magic. I say things here, and the web changes there... |
| 22:39:18 | Bagder | it's like they said the future would be! ;-) |
| 22:39:44 | Mikachu | but it's not very large though |
| 22:39:54 | Mikachu | (i guess that only makes sense to swedes) |
| 22:40:06 | Zagor | Bagder: the Q&A in §3 is pretty confusing. is it a joke? |
| 22:40:20 | Mikachu | Zagor: it's illustrative of why top posting is bad |
| 22:40:32 | Bagder | it is a pretty amusing illustration I would say |
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| 22:40:42 | Zagor | ah. I don't think many people are going to get it, though. |
| 22:40:46 | Bagder | I didn't make it up, it is frequently used |
| 22:41:04 | Mikachu | no offense but if you don't get it you are a bit stupid |
| 22:41:09 | Bagder | hehe |
| 22:41:15 | Bagder | or had too little coffee |
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| 22:41:27 | Zagor | hehe, yeah maybe I'm a bit more dumb than the average mail list member :-) |
| 22:42:03 | DataGhost | yaaaay |
| 22:42:11 | DataGhost | copying /proc/self/mem causes the kernel to bug |
| 22:42:12 | DataGhost | :P |
| 22:42:19 | DataGhost | I think it hangs now |
| 22:42:47 | DerPapst_ | are you messing arround with the kernel again? |
| 22:43:02 | Mikachu | DataGhost: try cat /dev/random > /dev/mem for fun (warning may do really bad things) |
| 22:43:28 | * | DataGhost trying to dump /proc without find, tar, ls -R and with a few hard errors when reading /proc/kcore or /proc/kmsg |
| 22:43:33 | DataGhost | heh Mikachu |
| 22:43:36 | DataGhost | bad things like..? :) |
| 22:43:43 | * | linuxstb_ goes to #ipodlinux for some Rockbox chat |
| 22:43:44 | DataGhost | guess it can't fry it, right? |
| 22:43:44 | DataGhost | :) |
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| 22:43:51 | DataGhost | hehe linuxstb_ |
| 22:44:12 | kayasha | if any one need help for Doom on iriver/ 5/6gb just ask |
| 22:44:15 | kayasha | and doom2 |
| 22:44:43 | DataGhost | i had to write an equivalent for 'find' in /etc/rc }:| |
| 22:44:52 | DataGhost | I ended up with some really nasty code |
| 22:44:55 | DataGhost | nested for and if |
| 22:45:04 | DataGhost | because you can't do recursive functions in bash, afaik :P |
| 22:45:12 | DataGhost | or whatever shell it's running |
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| 22:46:02 | dan_a | Bagder: Seen your mail? |
| 22:46:05 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:46:08 | Bagder | great news |
| 22:46:31 | Llorean | Great news between Bagder and dan_a... now you've raised curiosity a wee bit. |
| 22:46:33 | Bagder | fun to see a positive attitude |
| 22:46:57 | Bagder | "We may be able to make an exception to our rules." is a nice hint |
| 22:47:01 | Llorean | Ah |
| 22:47:07 | jhMikeS | preglow: Synth fever? :) (Finally did an IRC glance) Too much so. Thanks for getting me obsessed. :) |
| 22:47:29 | Llorean | Yeah, I think that hint just about covers it. |
| 22:47:29 | linuxstb_ | Is anyone else having problems with sysfont.h being regenerated every time make is run? |
| 22:48:11 | rp- | Bagder: it's interessting, it seems they picked out guys from austria :) |
| 22:48:41 | Bagder | rp-: the only guys in this world you can really trust ;-) |
| 22:48:52 | rp- | hehe |
| 22:49:07 | Mikachu | DataGhost: anything can happen when you write random bytes to memory, by definition :) |
| 22:49:10 | rp- | well i will call them tomorrow and do my best |
| 22:49:15 | DataGhost | yeah well :) |
| 22:49:19 | DataGhost | the chances are slim though :P |
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