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#rockbox log for 2007-01-18

00:03:37jhMikeShehe, dumb question, but when will the info be available about it?
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00:04:18bluebrotherBagder, any thoughts on this? It replaces the version string with the svn release number (unless there is a file docs/VERSION)
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00:04:48Zagorbluebrother: I thought about that, but I don't think it's ideal.
00:05:16bluebrotherso what would be better? Adding both?
00:05:17Zagorthe revision is good, but it also makes it much more difficult to quickly see how old a build someone is running
00:05:38ZagorBoth would probably be good, if a bit verbose.
00:05:40bluebrotheruse timestamp-release?
00:06:40Zagorsomething like "r12823 (2007-01-16 16:07)" is probably the most descriptive. quite long though
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00:07:38LloreanDo we need the Time or could we make do with just a date and revision #?
00:07:49ZagorLlorean: good point. date is probably enough.
00:07:59LloreanOnce you're down to "today" it's mostly just a question of "Was it from before or after the fix" and if you know when the fix went in, you also know its revision. :)
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00:13:47Soapactually easier than time then, eh?
00:14:05LithiumTRAnybody got a 5.5G iPod that shuts down?
00:14:23*Soap hope they all do. ;)
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00:15:59dewdudeevening fellow rockboxers
00:16:17LithiumTRdewdude, can you supply me with Mountain Dew?
00:16:32SoapLithiumTR: do you mean yours shuts down unexpectedly?
00:16:43dewdudeLithiumTR, sure. if you can wait 3 months, i'll have a fountain despensing system going
00:17:11LithiumTRSoap: tt shuts down when I hold play, as expected, but reboots (i.e. Apple logo, then loads the firmware)
00:17:26LithiumTRdewdude, three months? Can you give me an IOU for that?
00:17:40dewdudeLithiumTR, sure, but i got plenty of ice cold cans in the soda machine
00:18:04SoapLithiumTR: "the firmware" being apple or rockbox?
00:18:18LithiumTRSoap, Rockbox, or Apple with the hold on
00:18:46LithiumTRdewdude, I live in the UK and we get no Mountain Dew over here :(
00:19:09dewdudeLithium: that's a shame. i just got a call from the local pepsi bottler..i convinced them to sell me fountain suryp
00:19:28LithiumTRdewdude, we could smuggle Mountain Dew
00:19:56Soapdewdude: have you ever boiled down the raw syrup on your stove to about 50%, chilled it, and used it as pancake syrup?
00:20:17dewdudeno...but that sounds like a killer idea.
00:20:33LithiumTRYou are made of win
00:20:33*LithiumTR gives Soap internets
00:20:33bluebrotherZagor, updated:
00:21:13SoapLithiumTR: I'm not familiar with that, is it possible you are "bouncing" the play button and letting "menu" hit when you let go - I can't reproduce that behavior on my 5th gen w/o being drastic as heck.
00:21:34preglowjhMikeS: the paper, yes, and i read about it from the author, he posted on the musicdsp list
00:21:37SoapLithiumTR: do you have a case or film-protector on your touchpad?
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00:22:10Zagorbluebrother: looks ok to me
00:22:10LithiumTRSoap, I'm definately letting go of play when I see "shutdown", and I have a case but not covering the touchpad. The iPod has done this since new, this time last week.
00:22:14preglowjhMikeS: though it's limited to making a sawtooth wave. and when you've got one of those, you can make a square/pulse wave too
00:22:32dewdudeLithiumTR, what gen? i missed part of the convo
00:22:58jhMikeSpreglow: musicdsp list?
00:23:06LithiumTRdewdude, 5.5 gen
00:23:17Bagderbluebrother: then have tools/release use that script as well
00:23:29jhMikeSpreglow: sure, superimpose reversed sawtooths if that's what you mean.
00:23:37dewdudeLithiumTR, is it doing this off battery or with a charger connected?
00:23:53Aloneaok, I cannot get the lastest SVN to work. I tried deleting my source code and regetting it and then putting in my album art patch, and it still wont work.
00:24:10*jhMikeS wonders if "superimposed" should be "add" :P
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00:24:28LithiumTRdewdude, does it with either. Rockbox & Apple firmware detect when I unplug it from USB.
00:24:42SoapLithiumTR: can you reproduce the behavior in stock firmware? (does Menu even turn on stock firmware?) I mean a long press of play to shutdown stock, and does it turn right back on when you let go of the button?
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00:25:21dewdudei don't think stock shuts down by holding play...
00:25:32LithiumTRSoap, stock won't shutdown
00:25:34Soapon my wife's Nano 2nd get it does.
00:25:48SoapI think, brb.
00:25:51preglowjhMikeS: yes
00:25:59LithiumTRI left it in stock for 36 hours, it did a shutdown and on turn on it loaded Rockbox, so it's shutting down from stock fine
00:26:01preglowjhMikeS: you seem to have picked up a lot of stuff in a pretty short time
00:26:07dewdude36 hours?
00:26:11Aloneabasically the screen goes a bit screwy and when I goto a folder with music, there are no files showing up at all.
00:26:12dewdudemine was stock for 20 minutes
00:26:46LithiumTREconomics lessons are far better with Doom
00:27:22Soapyes, confirmed, long play shutdowns my wife's ipod stock firmware.
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00:27:32dewdude5.5 apple firm doesn't power down holding'll turn the display off.
00:27:38dewdudebut mine doesn't power down
00:28:31Soapwell, that's what I mean, regardless, if his ipod doesn't do that in stock w/o comming "back on" when he releases the button it is a button failure, not a rockbox issue. That's what I'm trying to test at the moment.
00:28:32dewdudeselect/menu reboots
00:28:41linuxdantelinuxstb: i installed rockbox from linux32_x86 on my ipod color, all after manual, but it crashes in about 8 of 10 boots
00:29:11LithiumTRSoap, I hold the button, it goes into sleep mode, I let go. I press the button, it comes back on.
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00:29:23dewdudethat's normal for stock ipod
00:29:27linuxstblinuxdante: Did you read Soap's reply?
00:29:44Soapbut you have to press the button? Not like in rockbox where it is comming back on w/o pressing the button?
00:29:44linuxdantelong time ago?
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00:30:00LithiumTRSoap, I have to press the button to get out of sleep mode
00:30:15linuxdantewell mine doesn't even boot
00:30:16Soapwell, LithiumTR, there goes my "button bounce" theory.
00:30:29linuxdanteit hangs at "rockbox loaded" and does nothing anymore.
00:30:35linuxdantesome hd activity, but then, stops, nothing.
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00:30:46dewdudelinuxdante, what gen ipod?
00:31:16linuxdantedewdude: photo −−> 4gen
00:31:38linuxdantetook the files belonging to ipod color/photo, as it said there
00:31:41Soaplinuxdante: the 4th generation ipod colour/photo often have problems with crashing, even crashes before fully booting. This is due to a known bug with frequency scaling, and is being investigated. Mikeage, in the "unsupported builds" forum has an unsupported build which addresses this issue, and will prevent you from crashing.
00:32:03Aloneabtw, I have a gigabeat. Anyone know anything at all about latest svn?
00:32:07*linuxstb has nothing to add to Soap's reply.
00:32:08linuxdanterespect to you guys
00:32:10linuxdanterly good support
00:32:13linuxdantethx both
00:32:13bluebrotherBagder, I'm not sure how this tools/release is supposed to work. I can pipe the output of to it, seems to work fine (except the date gets stripped).
00:32:20jhMikeSpreglow: what needs the most work is my mathematical knowledge and ability. if you've got that you can work out your own methods. The appeal of blit is the simplicity and I think I can do it with simple sinetable look up at 16 bits. Perhaps increasing the precision when the angles are small is the best way. The lookup (linear interpolated) has the least precision when the angle is small but the blit requires it at that point.
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00:32:35bluebrotherI should go and grab some sleep now, will look into this futher tomorrow
00:32:40Soapactually he has two builds. One called "no scaling" which will work 100% of the time, but drasticly cuts battery life. Another named cpufreq3 or somesuch, which does not work for everybody, but does not cut battery life so dramaticly.
00:32:44Bagderbluebrother: run tools/release [date] in the source root and it creates the source tarball
00:32:54linuxdanteah ok
00:32:55preglowjhMikeS: last time i checked, it pretty much required good precision all over
00:33:05linuxstblinuxdante: If you can build Rockbox yourself, you can try the experimental patches yourself that Soap is referring to - they're on the patch tracker.
00:33:15linuxdanteah well ok then :)
00:33:17*Bagder goes to bed
00:33:19preglownot as much as full blown dsf, but it's always been very nazi on the sine precision for me
00:33:20bluebrotherand [date] is just replaced?
00:33:22linuxdantei'll try the builds first.
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00:33:38bluebrotherah, lets shift this until tomorrow
00:33:46dewdudeyou know what drains battery like crazy? the dual-core builds for the 5.5
00:33:53LithiumTRSoap, any suggestions?
00:34:11linuxstbdewdude: Llorean reported increased runtime with the dual-core build on his Nano...
00:34:19SoapLithiumTR: assuming you have exhausted the forum search options, I have no more ideas.
00:34:33dewdudelinuxstb: possibly. i've never actually calculated.
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00:34:45jhMikeSpreglow: the sinc function has not much amplitude for large angles so only a fraction of the bits are required. using error feedback helps clean it up a lot too.
00:34:46dewdudei'm just going by percentage usage
00:35:02Soapdewdude: I don't like any reports of battery life w/o full tests being run. Anicdotal evidence is very often wrong.
00:35:32LithiumTRSoap, thanks for the help, I'll post you a pony
00:36:26dewdudeyeah. i wasn't saying take my word for it. i just casually noticed. actually...i've not noticed any extra power drain..i've been turning it on and off a lot rather than just letting it play
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00:37:30n1sLlorean: The forums still have the old "CVS builds" link on the sidebar.
00:37:30dewdudei do know the Tune Juice 9v adapter is about useless..after 20 minutes it acts like you're constantly plugging and unplugging it...which makes rockbox pause.
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00:38:40kG^nemesishey gusy
00:38:43kG^nemesishey guys
00:38:49kG^nemesisi need help with rockbox
00:38:52kG^nemesisfor iriver
00:39:04kG^nemesisanyone can help?
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00:39:37Aloneamight help if you state your problem dear
00:39:38Soapdewdude: is that a device which lets you charge your ipod from a standard drug-store battery?
00:39:47preglowjhMikeS: 'fraid you're waaay past the point at which i would have stopped bothering :)
00:39:50SoapkG^nemesis: we wou
00:39:52SoapkG^nemesis: appreciate
00:39:53dewdudeSoap: yeah.
00:39:55*jhMikeS should correct himself and say "not much amplitude for large angles when harmonics are many"
00:39:58SoapkG^nemesis: if you put more text per line
00:40:02dewdudei mostly bought it for the dock connector
00:40:17kG^nemesisoh ok, i srry let me state the problem
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00:40:33Soapand use full words, not all of us are native speakers of english.
00:40:34preglowjhMikeS: sure am looking forward to seeing the result, though
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00:40:52dewdudeSoap, i speak native english and i don't even understand what he's saying
00:41:15kG^nemesisI have successfully loaded the rockbox software, and I need help installing a new theme.
00:41:21jhMikeSpreglow: I don't stop bothering easily. :) You'll only see the result if I succeed or else I'm gonna shove it under the rug.
00:41:47kG^nemesisCould you give me some sites where I can download iriver H320 rockbox themes?
00:42:00dewdudekG^nemesis, did you check the forum or wiki?
00:42:01kG^nemesisAnd also help me to install them?
00:42:03linuxdantein themes section of the rockbox page?
00:42:15kG^nemesisbut i am confused about where to go/
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00:42:19dewdudekG^nemesis, everything you need/want to know is more than likely on the wiki or forum
00:42:37n1ssimply unzip them to the correct place
00:42:38linuxdantetried this?
00:43:07linuxdanteis rockbox supposed to read the ipod music files too? not right?
00:43:15kG^nemesisyes, but i will take a closer look at this
00:43:15preglowjhMikeS: i stop bothering way too easily :/
00:43:17n1sdefine ipod music file
00:44:02n1sbut most likely the answer is: "use the database"
00:44:10dewdudelet me guess...fairplay protected aac files purchased from the itunes store
00:44:13linuxstblinuxdante: It can play all formats the ipod can apart from encrypted files or audible audiobooks.
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00:44:39SoapkG^nemesis: go to the wiki, "WpsGallery" page, then the page for your player.
00:44:40dewdudeaac support on the ipod is broken..isn't it?
00:44:56dewdudeor is it just too cpu intensive
00:45:30linuxstbI don't know, I only have one (128kbps) AAC file.
00:45:38linuxstbWhich has always worked fine.
00:45:46SoapkG^nemesis: the themes are .zip files you extract onto your player. IF they were made correctly you extract them to the root of your player, but not all are, you should look at the contents of the .zip file for the WPS, and look at the directory structure inside your ".rockbox" folder, and extracting what to where should be obvious.
00:46:06kG^nemesisalright thank you.
00:47:14preglowjhMikeS: but anywho, i'll agree with you it's a fascinating field, been dabbling in stuff like that for about six-seven years now
00:47:40kG^nemesisThere is one theme i am interested in, but it says that i need to download a new version of rockbox. the theme is jBlackGlass. Is this theme compatible with the iRiver H320?
00:49:05Soapyes, but not with a "stock" build.
00:49:22Soapit requires experimental features which are not part of standard rockbox.
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00:49:58linuxdanteZip file contains −−−−> .wps | Folder | .cfg Place the .wps and folder, into the "wps" folder in the ".rockbox" folder Place the .cfg file, into the "themes" folder in the ".rockbox" folder Now press "A-B" and go to "Browse Themes", select the file and Hey Presto
00:49:59linuxdantevery clear instruction.
00:50:06kG^nemesisFor me?
00:50:10jhMikeSpreglow: indeed it is hence the obsessiveness and the excuse to get my math head in order
00:50:16linuxdanteno, i don't understand :)
00:50:47kG^nemesisalright, What are the experimental features that I need in order to install it?
00:50:51preglowit all started that fateful day i found out what a filter was...
00:50:57kG^nemesis(for soap)
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00:51:44*n1s copies rescent theme zip instructions and saves them so I'll just have to do a bit of ctrl-c ctrl-p in the future ;-)
00:51:57SoapkG^nemesis: if you are serious about wanting experimental features, I'm not going to go into them here - I suggest you get more familiar with rockbox, so you know what you are asking.
00:52:10voltagexis there any way to pass the build type via command line? I'd like to automate a build of H300 rockbox
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00:52:50n1svoltagex: pass to what, configure?
00:53:17voltagexnls: yes
00:53:22voltagexoos n1s
00:53:30linuxdanteomg rockbox kicks ass
00:53:42kG^nemesisi knwo
00:53:48linuxdantei absolutely need a build which is not battery-eating but works on ipod.
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00:54:00kG^nemesissoap, what program do i need to open a gz file?
00:54:11kG^nemesiscould i use winrar?
00:54:18n1svoltagex: I don't know how to do it but it's possible, I suggest you catch Bagder in about 8 hours :-)
00:54:20voltagexkG^nemesis: that would work
00:54:30Soap7zip for the win.
00:54:33voltagexn1s: changed one line in the configure
00:54:43linuxstbvoltagex: Do something like: (echo h300 ; echo N) | ../tools/configure
00:54:59voltagexlinuxstb: I've changed the line that takes input
00:56:07voltagexlinuxstb: before I saw your code
00:56:10voltagexthanks, works fine
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00:57:07kG^nemesisWhat is the device that is most used with rockbox?
00:58:14n1skG^nemesis: My guess would be some sort of ipod, based on the number of install questions we get
00:58:36linuxdantewhat about video playback?
00:58:38linuxdanteto come?
00:58:42linuxdante(just wondering)
00:58:58linuxdante(i already decided i'll completely move to rockbox and not use applefirmware anymore)
00:59:10linuxdanteLOL i read that myself today.
00:59:16linuxdantei beg your pardon for my ignorance.
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01:00:10voltagexDo you think there'll be 25fps playback on H300?
01:00:33n1sat least not fullascreen
01:01:45linuxdanterockbox even ownz ipodlinux
01:01:58Soapat 176x96, there is already claims of 26 fps.
01:02:54voltagexSoap: probably with the asm patch
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01:03:47voltagexwhich doesn't currently work
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01:06:07Soapif the patch doesn't work, how did people report FPS using the patch?
01:06:57peturit used to work before somebody snatched some iram
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01:07:30linuxstbI could remove audio playback if you wanted...
01:07:42Lloreann1s: That's because someone changed the main website while I wasn't looking. I was all prepared to do it days ago. :-P
01:07:42voltagexlinuxstb: lol
01:08:07voltagexlinuxstb: mass storage device support using the second usb port
01:08:16voltagexthen I can plug in a gig of memory
01:08:19Soapjudging my much of the current influx, I fear a vote might fall in favor of mpeg over audio playback.
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01:08:30n1spossibly reducin audio bitrate could yield some speedup, the test videos use 192 kbit iirc...
01:09:09Lloreann1s: And it's fixed, the forums now say SVN
01:09:38n1sLlorean: nice :-)
01:09:54LloreanEasy change, it just happened while I wasn't looking. :)
01:09:59voltagexplayers like the Gigabeat have a much faster processor, there's no benchmark for the Gigabeat, wondering if it gets 25fps
01:09:59linuxstbn1s: They are 170kbps LAME VBR MP3.
01:10:20linuxstbIt gets about 29fps full-screen, and about 39fps for 16:9.
01:10:31Soapwiki says 28@320x240 on gigabeat
01:10:31voltagexI want one
01:10:31n1sright, still using 128 would be faster?
01:11:25Soapwhat is the volume of a single platter Gigabeat compared to a single platter 5th gen ipod?
01:11:38kG^nemesistrying to download theme from
01:11:52kG^nemesisand it says that i have to pick my model number
01:11:54SoapkG^nemesis: those themes won't work with a stock rockbox.
01:12:12LloreankG^nemesis: Complain to the maintainer of the site if it's confusing for you.
01:12:12kG^nemesisi understand
01:12:24SoapkG^nemesis: and we don't support themes from outside... Llorean beat me.
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01:15:02Lloreanlinuxstb_: My battery life increase was only about 5% though, but either way, that at least strongly suggests it doesn't greatly *increase* battery usage.
01:15:57secleinteerwhy do the changelogs show no changes to the rockbox code in the last week or so for the ipod photo and video?
01:15:57SoapI'll run a battery bench on it as soon as I have a day where I don't want it with me.
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01:16:32n1ssecleinteer: which changelogs
01:16:36Lloreansecleinteer: Because the vast majority of work affect multiple or all targets?
01:17:09n1sOr maybe on one changed anything?
01:17:23n1s*no one
01:17:27Soapthe changelogs in the daily build pages were blank last time I looked.
01:17:41secleinteerLlorean: there were 6 to 7 changes a day for each until about a week ago
01:17:53n1syep, seems the script is broken
01:17:58Lloreansecleinteer: And about a week ago we moved to SVN.
01:18:15LloreanI thought you were referring to the *working* changelog on the front page, where very few changes actually make mention of the iPod
01:18:18Soapwhich, secleinteer, is when they changed from CVS to SVN to track changes, and all the script bugs are still being worked out.
01:18:40SoapBlackjack! :p
01:18:56n1sWell, we'll see if Bagder reads the logs and sees this, and fixes it when he has time....
01:18:59LloreanSoap: An 16-bit LCD optimization is buried on the recent list too
01:19:08secleinteersoap: does that mean i go to svn builds to get my downloads instead?
01:19:14SoapLlorean: ahh, that wasn't just for gigabeat?
01:19:24Nico_PJdGordon: you there ?
01:19:44n1ssecleinteer: the daily builds are fine
01:19:57secleinteern1s: kk thx for the help
01:19:57LloreanSoap: I don't know. It might be, I didn't look at the exact change.
01:20:09SoapI just saw who did it, and ASSumend gigabeat.
01:20:28LloreanSoap: Yeah, it looks like it's gigabeat only
01:20:32LloreanAh well
01:20:40LloreanBut there was an ipodpatcher change recently!
01:20:49Soapwe got the memcopy tweak!
01:20:53LloreanThere was that.
01:20:55LloreanI hear that was nice.
01:21:04LloreanMy Nano's been gathering dust this last week
01:21:15debauched_slothI have discussed with Amiconn, he has suggested that I move that optimization from GB to all targets
01:21:29n1syay, faster something!
01:21:44SoapI have a strong suspicion that will be the largest single-boost to battery runtime in quite a while.
01:22:11Soaplol n1s (not like I know what it will speed up either)
01:22:17linuxstbdebauched_sloth: Looking at your bmp2rb change, you seem to ignore the endianness of the host.
01:22:29debauched_sloththe optimization I refer to is a simple blit optimization, nothing that should be a big deal
01:23:16kG^nemesisHow would you install a WPS?
01:23:32debauched_slothlinuxstb: I have, but there is -f 5, which is byte swapped the other way
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01:23:47n1skG^nemesis: have you tried the manual?
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01:23:47Soapin Soviet Russia, a WPS....
01:24:31kG^nemesisLaughing Out Loud no
01:25:03linuxstbdebauched_sloth: That's a bit obscure, and may not be the case for different 16-bit formats. Also, your <= 8 bit output looks broken for big-endian hosts.
01:25:58n1skG^nemesis: unzip the .wps file to your .rockbox/wps dir and any pictures to a subfolder of that folder with the same name as the .wps file
01:27:14debauched_slothObscure, yes, no doubt. But anyone on such a host would be aware of it. <8 tracks the C output code, I think.
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01:28:13debauched_slothif not, linuxstb, should be fixed, of course
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01:28:35linuxstbdebauched_sloth: Why would Mac users (for example) be aware of the need to use the wrong -f format?
01:29:17debauched_slothlinuxstb: the point is to write a device specific raw bitmap format. Not to save all mac users.
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01:30:06linuxstbSo you think running the same program on two different machines should need different options?
01:30:13LloreanThe point is for the tool to work reliably and consistently across platforms, so that a user can sit down at any computer and use it in the same way.
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01:30:34debauched_slothAh, I get your point, yes, that is machine dependant
01:30:38debauched_slothand should not be
01:30:43linuxstbMy suggested solution is that there should be two raw formats - one for big-endian targets, one for little-endian targets.
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01:31:44linuxstbEasiest way is to write a byte at a time to the file, and use (x&0xff) and (x>>8) to get the high and low bytes.
01:32:34debauched_slothso what do we add, -b for byte order, to the options?
01:32:59debauched_slothor assume all targets are the same?
01:33:39Soap(is this about lcd.c?)
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01:33:52debauched_slothno, this is about bmp2rb.c
01:33:56linuxstbMaybe -rbe and -rle for raw big-endian and raw little-endian....
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01:34:34linuxstbOr just document that -r outputs little-endian data....
01:34:50linuxstb(and make sure it does on any host)
01:35:08debauched_slothyah, that's the kicker
01:35:17linuxstbI'm not sure the raw format will be used elsewhere...
01:37:36voltagexwill rockbox run on ths?
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01:38:12Mouser_XThat's the F40.
01:38:14voltagexgood good
01:38:18Mouser_XOr, so it looks...
01:38:24voltagexwonder why it's so cheap though
01:38:30kG^nemesisneed help with installing themes,once they are downloaded to desktop
01:38:35Lloreanvoltagex: I can fix that.
01:38:39*Llorean goes to drive up the bid.
01:38:42linuxstbPeople haven't discovered Rockbox yet...
01:38:49linuxstbDo they ship to Europe?
01:38:56kG^nemesisi know what would help rockbox be discovered
01:39:02LloreanI've been looking for a fairly cheap gigabeat.
01:39:02Soapuhh, something goofy is happening. mpegplayer is reporting 54fps on a video where it is clearly sub 20
01:39:15kG^nemesisIf there was a better manual that could be understood by the average user.
01:39:18*voltagex shouldn't have pasted that here
01:39:30Mouser_XNo, probably not.
01:39:34LloreankG^nemesis: If the average users actually made suggestions for improvements rather than simply saying it wasn't good, maybe we could improve it.
01:39:40Mouser_XI already have a TGB though, so I'm good.
01:39:44kG^nemesisVery true.
01:40:01LloreanWe've written it to where we think it's good, so now we need actual constructive feedback for it to improve.
01:40:19kG^nemesisThere was an article on Popular Science Magazine, that showed how to use rockbox to "unleash" your multi codec jukebox
01:40:28debauched_slothah, constructive feedback
01:40:31Soapit showed that?
01:40:42kG^nemesisI need help installing a new theme for my H320 running rockbox.
01:40:56SoapLlorean: we need to make the manual more like the PopSci article!
01:41:04LloreankG^nemesis: The article in PopSci was somewhat disappointing
01:41:11kG^nemesisPOpular Science showed a little tutorial + i agree with llorian
01:41:12LloreanIt was very positive, but I had some issues regarding the details...
01:41:13kG^nemesisYes it was
01:41:25linuxstbI liked the way it said Rockbox could play movies, and the article was probably written when there was no sound in mpegplayer. Not that it's much better now...
01:41:34LloreankG^nemesis: Installing a theme just requires that you extract it into the root of the player, as long as the person created it properly
01:42:15kG^nemesisLlorean: i just have to extract the theme where the .rockbox folder is?
01:42:48LloreankG^nemesis: The theme should include a .rockbox folder of its own, with folders in it, containing all the files. If you extract it straight onto your device, the folders should overlap and be in the right place.
01:42:54linuxstbkG^nemesis: Look inside the theme .zip file, and then look inside your .rockbox folder, and it should be obvious what to do.
01:43:04kG^nemesisok, thank you
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01:52:46kG^nemesislLorean: I have replace the .rockbox folder with the new .rockbox folder with the theme and nothing has happened
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01:53:17LloreanDid you then browse themes and load it?
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01:56:30housethegratecan someone answer a question regarding the iaudio x5l?
01:56:43Mouser_XOnly if you ask it first.
01:56:58Mouser_XUnfortunatly, our mind-readers are out for the day.
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01:57:12Mikachuor maybe he wants us to pick an arbitrary question and answer it
01:57:24Mouser_XI can do that.
01:57:26Mikachuno, it is smaller than a loaf of bread
01:57:28LloreanYes, the x5L has more battery capacity than the X5!
01:57:30housethegratethanks for the friendly welcome
01:57:36kG^nemesisNo i didnt
01:57:45LloreankG^nemesis: It is strongly suggested that you invest a little time into reading the manual that you have complained about. At least the fact that you need to do that should become clear from it.
01:57:46housethegrateanyways, there's no mention of which bootloader to use for the x5l
01:57:56housethegrateit only mentions the x5 and the x5v
01:57:58Lloreanhousethegrate: You use the x5 bootloader. The L just has a different battery.
01:57:59Mouser_X"Yes, it takes 8 minutes for the light from the sun to reach the Earth."
01:58:05housethegratecool thanks
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01:58:10LloreanMouser_X: He did specify that it related to the x5L
01:58:24Mikachuthe x5l is on the eatrh
01:58:26Mikachumost likely
01:58:30LloreanBut, no guarantee.
01:58:39Noah0504If I enable the log, how do I acutally get the songs uploaded to
01:58:41LloreanIf you put it in the right sort of box, it may not even exist.
01:58:48Mikachuwell, the us did invent that gun that can shoot small objects out of grav pull
01:58:52LloreanNoah0504: I believe there's a perl script floating around somewhere that does it.
01:58:57Mikachubut i don't think they put any x5ls in it yet
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01:59:10linuxstbMikachu: Would they tell you if they did?
01:59:13Noah0504Llorean: Thanks, I'll try Google for a little help.
01:59:42MikachuNoah0504: there's a gui program qtscrobbler, i only saw it when skimming though
01:59:54Mikachulinuxstb: wouldn't you?
02:00:02SoapNoah0504: for windows (and the .net 2.0 framework)there is a GUI application, which not only is easier than the perl script, it also fails much more gracefully.
02:00:12Noah0504Mikachu: I'll give it a look. It might be helpful to mention I'm on Linux.
02:00:22Noah0504Soap: haha
02:00:24SoapLogScrobbler is the GUI one that uses .net
02:00:24Mikachuit might
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02:00:38LloreanSoap: I like the fact that "fails more gracefully" is somehow a selling point, rather than a question of how often either one fails that someone should judge them based on that. :)
02:00:44Mikachuthe name qtscrobbler suggests it works on linux but you never know
02:00:45Soapno, I wasn't joking, the perl one fails ugly. If it fails you lose your log.
02:01:02Mikachuwhy would it even have code to remove your log?
02:01:11Soapand the servers are often busy enough to time-out.
02:01:27SoapMikachu: it clears your log so you don't submit the same tracks twice.
02:01:41Soapit is a requirement of all submitting plugins.
02:01:53Soap"spam" in their eyes is a mortal sin.
02:02:15Mikachubut it submits the timestamps as well, how hard would it be to filter duplicates?
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02:02:37Mikachutelling people not to break them is not a good way to ensure they don't break :)
02:02:39Soap500 million submissions a day.
02:02:42LloreanMikachu: Filtering duplicates means more work for them. Clearing logs means more work for plugin creators.
02:02:45Soapthey don't like spam.
02:03:10Mouser_XOh yah?
02:03:18Mikachucomparing two timestamps can't be that much work, if they're sorted by date in their database
02:03:23Mouser_XWell... Well... I don't like them!
02:03:31Mikachuthey don't even need to compare titles, you can't hear two songs at the same time anyway
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02:03:38Noah0504Here is something that I found...
02:03:53Noah0504It's a web interface.
02:04:02Mikachulooks like a password harvester to me :P
02:04:16SoapNoah0504: if you are comfortable posting your password to somebodys's web site, be my guest.
02:04:17Noah0504Damn, good thing you said something... I have to wonder now...
02:04:40Mikachuthe site looks friendly enough though
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02:05:19Noah0504Yeah. It would be nice if he had the code somewhere. Then I could just run it from my site.
02:05:23SoapProblem #2 with the perl script is even if you save a backup of your .log file, you need to edit it if the script fails (as it often does) mid-way. Resubmitting the log w/o first clearing out the tracks which DID successfully make it will cause yet another error.
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02:06:03Mikachui don't see why you would want to upload anything to their site in the first place
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02:06:29kG^nemesisI am sorry to trouble you all with my pestilence. I am aware that the manual is 145 pages long for the iriver H3xx models. Could you tell me which sections and pages to read to figure out how to change the wps and the theme.
02:06:44Soapwhose site Mikachu?
02:06:51Mikachui meant
02:06:52LloreankG^nemesis: Have you tried searching for the word "theme"?
02:07:02LloreankG^nemesis: Or perhaps simply looking at the table of contents.
02:07:07SoapMikachu: it is an amazing way to discover new music. It simply works.
02:07:22LloreanI did tell you that you need to "Browse Themes", that option actually shows up in the main Rockbox menu, I believe.
02:07:22Mikachunew music that is also good?
02:07:36Soapif you listen to mainstream radio, it's not for you.
02:07:43Mikachuhaven't for a couple of years
02:07:51Mikachuthis is just a fluke
02:07:52*Mikachu is listening to Atomic Kitten - It's OK (0:46 / 3:18)
02:07:53Soapif you don't - and need a way to explore new music it is the best thing going IMHO.
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02:08:17kG^nemesisLlorean: as soon as i start rockbox it goes to a screen with MAIN, Record and rockbox
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02:08:41LloreankG^nemesis: Yes, that's the filetree.
02:08:59kG^nemesisLlorean:how do i get to the main menu?
02:09:09LloreankG^nemesis: I take it you haven't read the manual *at all*?
02:09:11Mikachutry pressing a button
02:09:34kG^nemesisi have it now
02:09:35kG^nemesisLaughing Out Loud
02:09:35*Mikachu doesn't have an h3xx
02:09:44kG^nemesisill try reading the manual from now on
02:09:48kG^nemesisthanx for the help
02:09:57kG^nemesisits just that the manual seems so intimidating
02:10:31LloreanHow is one set of words on a screen any more or less intimidating than another?
02:10:36LloreanEspecially since those have screenshots?
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02:11:44kG^nemesisLlorean: being a student, i dont have time to read 145 pages of pdf and (as much as it may humor you) am scared of large amounts of text
02:11:59kG^nemesisits not too intimidating
02:12:25Noah0504Here is another one.
02:12:34MikachukG^nemesis: we don't have time to answer the same question to 100 people when it's written in the manual...
02:12:35LloreankG^nemesis: It has a table of contents, and can be searched. You're hardly expected to read through the entirety of it in one sitting or anything.
02:12:48kG^nemesislol, understood.
02:12:55LloreanBut we wrote down thing so that we don't get asked how to use themes by every single one of the many thousands of Rockbox users.
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02:13:28LloreanI mean our forum alone has 8000 registered members. I'm actually kinda curious what kind of installed base Rockbox has.
02:13:55Mikachuhow many are on rashers map now? *checks*
02:14:09Mikachu2770 rockbox users.
02:14:19kG^nemesisOk i am sorry, and i will ask for help once i have checked the manual. or i have a question regarding technical specifications
02:15:54tsuyoshihuh.. if students don't have time to read, then who does?
02:16:24Lloreantsuyoshi: Usually students have plenty of other things to read as it is.
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02:16:40LloreanBut one really shouldn't be dabbling in alternative firmwares without the time to actually properly learn how to use it.
02:17:49Soapif you have time to read a newsstand rag like pop-sci, you have time to read Pynchon.
02:20:07Mikachui should go to bed, i have quantum mechanics tomorrow :P
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02:25:30Mikachuyou can continue talking if you want though
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02:28:08safetydanpreglow, I'll look in to it. And since I'm lazy, I'll just nab the one from those astroinfo sources
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02:32:58gotthardtim compiling and getting lots of these: warning: pointer targets in assignment differ in signedness for the gcc 4.0.2 in cygwin env
02:33:23gotthardti didnt before - had to do a fresh install - whatsup with that?
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02:35:14Noah0504So, what's coming up on the list of feature for Rockbox? Any developers around?
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02:38:32gotthardtnvm - i did make veryclean and deleted Makefile and reconfigured - ok now...
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02:39:42safetydanNoah0504, it doesn't really work like that. There's no plan with features to tick off when completed.
02:39:57Noah0504I see.
02:40:47Noah0504So how does development work? I assume each device has somewhat of its own development.
02:40:59Lloreansafetydan: Sure there is, I've been ticking on features for months. You guys are just so well organized I rarely need to "remind" you in the right direction. :-P
02:41:24LloreanNoah0504: Actually, most of the development goes into stuff that affects all devices.
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02:41:33linuxstbNoah0504: In the early days of a port, yes. But most of Rockbox works the same on all devices.
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02:41:38Noah0504Huh, interesting.
02:41:52LloreanFor example, if someone were to come up with an interesting DSP filter, it'd probably affect all targets (except maybe the archoses) immediately.
02:42:26safetydanCue sheet support might be a better example. That should work on all targets if/when it's comitted.
02:42:42Noah0504Cool, cool.
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02:47:31sujdikis there any tool to manage the rockbox system by the PC?... like playlist editing and stuff...
02:47:48Lloreansujdik: They're just M3U playlists.
02:48:01LloreanPretty much any program that has playlisting can edit them.
02:48:22JdGordonlinuxstb: do you know if int is 32 bits on all targets?
02:48:30Mouser_XI use Winamp.
02:49:40safetydanJdGordon, if you care there's always the int32_t and uint32_t types
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02:49:54safetydancare about the number of bits that is
02:50:26JdGordonok, ta
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02:51:02sujdikLlorean well it was an example... but i mean... control the whole system... browse & set themes, adjust the eqs... that kind of thing
02:51:17sujdikincluding the playlists
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02:52:10Lloreansujdik: You mean, like remotely control it?
02:52:24LloreanNot from a PC, no.
02:52:53sujdik=P ok thx
02:52:57Soapsujdik: all that kind of thing is controled by the .cfg files, which are plain text. It wouldn't be hard to write a simple program to write the .cfg for you on the pc side.
02:53:15Soapeven a .bat file which asked you questions.
02:54:02sujdikwell I didn't find the config files
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02:55:11safetydansujdik, unless you've saved one using the Manage Settings menu, there won't be one on your dap
02:56:25sujdikso where my settings are? =P
02:56:37XomphosI hate to sound pushy, but could someone please take a look at this:
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02:58:02Xomphosmy irc client is acting really, really slow, so I don't hink that i will be able to see your messages, so if you could please reply in my thread
02:58:17XomphosThank-You!!! :D
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02:59:42*Llorean replied.
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03:06:34DerPapst_maybe someone wants to delete that post? it is absolutely unrelated :-/
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03:07:21dewdudearen't there people you can contact about forum admins
03:07:25LloreanDerPapst_: I think leaving it and my response in there *might* ward off it happening in the future.
03:07:48DerPapst_ok then :)
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03:08:02LloreanOtherwise it'll be gone, and someone else will think it's a valid question again in the future.
03:08:19DerPapst_dewdude: there are and most of them are here ;)
03:08:24Ploujis there any way to monitor rockbox releases other than rockbox-cvs?
03:08:45LloreanPlouj: What do you mean by "releases"?
03:09:29LloreanNo, I mean, what are you wanting to monitor?
03:09:31dewdudeDerPapst_, touch
03:09:44PloujI'm not sure anymore
03:10:03Ploujwell, I guess I wanted to know when stable versions come uout
03:10:10LloreanVery rarely
03:10:22Ploujand daily builds are daily, so meh
03:11:03safetydanPlouj, if there's a stable release of rockbox made it'll will be on the front page of the site
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03:11:21LloreanIt'll very much be on the front page.
03:11:37DerPapst_daily builds are fine. if something doesn't work it may work next day ;)
03:11:38Ploujwell, if there were more frequent releases
03:11:43PloujI'd like an RSS feed
03:11:49Ploujrather than having to check the frontpage all the time
03:11:55dewdudePlouj, there are *daily* releases
03:12:08Ploujdewdude: I konw
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03:12:17dewdudewhy would you want RSS for a daily event
03:12:23PloujI don't
03:12:38LloreanPlouj: "Stable" versions don't even happen necessarily yearly
03:12:44safetydanPlouj, stable release happen maybe once every year or so
03:12:54DerPapst_he means for svn check-ins
03:12:56safetydandarn, curse these slow fingers
03:13:21LloreanDerPapst_: Nah, he made mention of rockbox-cvs which is the mailing list for CVS checkins, unless he just got the name dead on accidentally
03:13:22safetydanDerPapst, if that's the case, then the rockbox-cvs mailing list is the best bet
03:13:43LloreanThough I use the RSS feed for it.
03:14:01LloreanWhich works rather well after the SVN change, except for the timestamp always being at 12:00AM
03:14:24PloujLlorean: you use RSS for svn changes?
03:14:29LloreanPlouj: Aye
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03:16:26LloreanPlouj: Aye, there wasn't much sense in renaming it really.
03:16:39heydoes rockbox's databse (tagcahe) read FLAC release date fields correctly?
03:16:44Ploujthat's good enough for me, Llorean, thanks
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03:16:57Lloreanhey: "Release Date" is not a supported tag, no.
03:17:05heyMy FLAC comment for a song under the "Date Field" says 1996-11-30
03:17:23LloreanBut "Date" would be, or should be.
03:17:28heywill rockbox recognize that and put the song as soemthing udner the year 1996
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03:17:45safetydanhey, no, no it won't
03:17:48Lloreanhey: Why not use a proper "Year" tag, like normal?
03:18:03heyBEcuase musicbrainze automatically does that though
03:18:06heyI eman
03:18:12heyit only adds the release date tag
03:18:18heyI'll ahve to manually add year
03:18:21heythanks for hellp
03:18:46heyit's just I'm tagging multiple albums
03:19:04safetydanThere's a problem with how dates are parsed from Ogg streams. They're basically not. I'm assuming FLAC metadata is the same or similar.
03:19:36Lloreansafetydan: Yeah, FLAC is vorbis comment as well
03:19:38dewdudehey: they make programs that will help you do it faster.
03:19:54dewdudetag & rename comes to mind if you're running windows
03:20:01heyautomaticlly parse the date field?
03:20:17dewdudetag and rename even pulls from FreeDB
03:20:27heythat's lone thign I dislike bout falc
03:20:30heyhard to tag well
03:20:38dewdudenah, not with the right software
03:20:41safetydanLlorean, it would actually be that hard for Rockbox to parse the date string if only we could guarantee that it was YYYY-MM-DD format
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03:20:58dewdudeit puts the Year in the proper place.
03:20:58heysafetydan, you mean not that ahrd?
03:21:04dewdudeit even pulls that from FreeDB
03:21:09Lloreansafetydan: *If* you could guarantee that, I suppose.
03:21:23heyits standard notation I believe
03:21:36LloreanI suppose you could assume that.
03:21:38dewdudenot everyone follows standards when it comes to music
03:21:38heyso why not use the date field if year is not available
03:21:46dewdudeyear is available.
03:21:47LloreanAnd just not show anything if it didn't match.
03:21:52dewdudemy flacs have it.
03:21:53safetydanhey, yes most people do use that format, but there's nothing about the ogg metadata spec that says it has to be that format
03:22:39heyhow do i tell if I have flac comments or vorbis comments?
03:22:41safetydanIt could be, for exampe, 'On the third phase of the second lunar cycle AD 2007' and still be a valid date tag for vorbis
03:23:01heyso put checks in place
03:23:14safetydanhey, submit a patch with those checks :)
03:23:18heyif format "xxxx-aa-bb" exists then use xxxx
03:23:25safetydanI don't use the database so it doesn't affect me
03:23:32heyalright whatever
03:23:36heynopt too important
03:23:46heyI'll jsut submit FS
03:23:57dewdudeyeah, i don't either. i even took the album title off my WPS screen
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03:24:52afruff23put check that xxxx is numerical
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03:26:16dewdudeor...look for a number larger than say...1900 somewhere in field
03:26:30afruff23how do I tell if my FLAC file ahs ogg comemnt or flac comment?
03:26:32dewdudeno..that won't work..cuz if someone does 06...
03:26:38Lloreanafruff23: There is no "flac comment"
03:27:09afruff23dewdue, I don't understand
03:27:32dewdudeafruff: it's not important. i found the fault with the idea.
03:27:50afruff23that's what I dpn't get, your example wouldn't break it
03:28:05dewdudeif everyone used 4-digit year, it'd work perfect
03:28:25dewdudebut not everyone uses 4 digit...i'm guilty of that small habit
03:28:36afruff23so, for those people it won't work
03:28:42afruff23it won't break anything though
03:28:56dewdudeno. although, generally, all my file tags are done with software that does 4 digit
03:29:04dewdude...but they also have a spefici "year" tag.
03:30:19sneakumsvorbis tags are free-form, you can name them anything you like.
03:30:34safetydanafruff23, the more work that you make the metadata parser do, the slower database updates will get. So you can't really get too clever.
03:30:34sneakumsthe closest thing to a standard set of tags is those proposed by, see
03:30:59safetydanI'd look at doing something like "if the first four charaters are numeric, treat them as the year, otherwise ignore it"
03:31:17safetydanwhich could be as simple as "int year = atoi(tag_value);"
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03:31:51dewdudesafetydan, if you're looking at 4 digit numerics...why not just have it locate any number over 1900
03:32:05dewdudethat way, someone could go 12-1985-25
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03:32:14Lloreandewdude: And symphonies composed in prior centuries?
03:32:20afruff23safetydan, that's what I've been saying
03:32:24dewdudeok...1000 then.
03:32:40hcsthey weren't recorded in prior centuries
03:32:40afruff23greek music?
03:32:46Lloreandewdude: And what if I have a spoken word of an epic greek poem?
03:32:49dewdudelook....i use the actual CD release date as year
03:32:53dewdudenot the year of original composition
03:32:55afruff23so it goes udner that year
03:33:01afruff23what's the problem?
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03:33:52dewdudeso if i've got a spoken word CD of greek's labeled by the year the CD was made.
03:34:01LloreanBut not everyone will do so.
03:34:17sneakumsi think all of the date tags i've encountered that are not just the year have used an iso-style date, such as 2005-09-19
03:34:25LloreanI say, assume YYYY-MM-DD, and if the string doesn't fit that, throw it out, and then just state in the manual somewhere that's what's expected.
03:34:50dewdude...why not let the user program thier own format in using variables
03:34:57afruff23if 0<=date[1-4]<=9 then year=date[1-4]
03:35:42afruff23dewdude, a bit too com;icated
03:35:44dewdudemake it default to YYYY-MM-DD...but if a user wanted, they could go with MM-DD-YYYY by changing the variables
03:35:47*dewdude shrugs
03:35:59dewdudei just don't see where locking the users to a specific format is all too friendly
03:36:06afruff23not to mention it's encouraging non-standard formats
03:36:10SoapAnyone not using release year in the date field, regardless of format, has issues.
03:36:43afruff23soap, I agree
03:36:43Soapanyone using two digit dates after the y2k bruhaha also has issues.
03:36:54sneakumsfor reissues i tend to use the year of the original release, and note the year of reissue in a comment, but in general i agree with you
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03:37:19dewdudei do the exact oppsite...put the original release year in the comment
03:37:23Lloreandewdude: Expecting an ISO standard format isn't terribly unfriendly.
03:37:24Soapreissue date is metametadata, and should not be used as a replacement for original release year.
03:37:36dewdudei also intened to organize every CD in a database, but gave up
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03:37:47Soapa reissue is a subset of a release, and a modifier of the album title, not of the release year.
03:38:06Soapsorry for the off topic.
03:38:06dewdudeSoap: so you're saying i've got to go back and change ALL my classical to the original relase dates, rather than the year they were recorded.
03:38:24Lloreandewdude: Nobody said YOU have to do anything
03:38:43sneakumsyou can keep recipes in your date tags, if you want.
03:38:46sneakumsshort ones, anyway.
03:39:17ruinsAnyone having issues with the database initialization for release 17Jan 2007?
03:39:35Soapdewdude: classical is more complex. Here is how I do it. John Adams - 1994 - Chamber Symphony & Grand Pianola Music (1993 Nonesuch)
03:39:55ruinsAnyone having issues with database initialization?
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03:40:10dewdudeLlorean, i know..i'm just picking a side on a subject i really don't care about...but i mean..a lot of the reason people use rockbox is because of the customization it why not extend that customization into date formats
03:40:12Lloreanruins: You asked the same question twice in less than a minute.
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03:40:19Soapwith recording year being a subtitle to album title. To argue that recording year is more significant than release year when tagging albums I find backwards.
03:40:32dewdudeput the ISO by default..and encourage it's use..but, it'd be nice for someone to have the ability to modify it
03:40:49Lloreandewdude: Because making the metadata parser customizable doesn't solve the problem of "What if different files follow different formats" and at the same time adds unnecessary bloat.
03:40:49sneakumssomeone does, that is why source code is available.
03:41:04ruinsSorry about that Llorean, laggy internet connection
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03:50:58ruinsAre there any limits on database size, in terms of the number of songs or albums, for H3xx?
03:51:32ruinsI can initialize the db with around 800 songs or so, but above 2000, it hangs.
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03:57:05afruff23anybody know how to parse the release date using fb2k
03:57:21afruff23Iw ant to transfer the release date year to the year
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03:57:29afruff23to the year field*
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03:58:18Lloreanafruff23: Is the field called "Date" or "Release Date" internally. Vorbis comments allow arbitrary tags, I believe, so naming can be somewhat important.
03:59:01afruff23the souce field is "date"
03:59:02afruff23my bad
03:59:13HellDragon2where do you put doom.wad ? i tried putting it in .rockbox/games/doom/ but it didnt work
04:01:01LloreanHellDragon2: The instructions have never said /.rockbox/games/doom/ as far as I'm aware.
04:01:13afruff23llorean, took words out fo my mouth
04:02:17ruinsHas anyone successfully initialized a database for 2000+ songs on the H3xx port of rockbox?
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04:18:00afruff23to make matters worse, winamp treats date a syear
04:18:05afruff23as year*
04:18:11afruff23and parses it to only show the year
04:18:29afruff23so if you edit year, then you edit date
04:19:36 Quit bonbonthejon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) seems that a year field isn't standard
04:19:47afruff23people use date for that isntead
04:20:33Soapafruff23: It is not the best way, but the easiest way w/o getting into regular expressions is to rename the files using the release date, then tag the files based on the filename, then rename the files to the format you prefer.
04:20:58SoapI know it seems backwards, but it works quickly with minimal scripting.
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04:27:24Brunellushi guys. just checking back in. I was here last night asking about some of my oggs that wouldn't play
04:27:51Brunellusturns out they had id3 tags in them. I wrote a shellscript that stripped the id3 tags, and now they work great. rockbox plays them without problems.
04:27:58Soapand the theory was tags, eh?
04:28:08Soapoops, too late. Cool.
04:28:29Brunellusthe theory was the tags, and it worked
04:28:43Soapsweet. Nothing like a batch of tasty oggs you can't listen to.
04:28:49BrunellusI was rocking out on the train to & from work...and was able to scrobble my songs
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04:29:07BrunellusI am SUPER impressed at the progress in rockbox lately
04:29:08Soapyes, scrobbler support is sweet indeed.
04:30:57Brunellusso yes. might be worthwhile putting that bit about tags in the .pdf manual, just in case
04:32:26sneakumsthe faq might be a better place, i'd hope id3-contaminated oggs are not too common
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04:33:23Brunellusprobably not. Maybe it's really more of a stupid-user issue in my case
04:33:49Brunellusbut Grip really lets you shoot yourself in the foot−−it allows you to use both vorbis and id3 tags on the same file, which was my trouble
04:33:57sneakumsit seems unhelpful software is a contributor
04:34:28Brunellusthe awful truth of it is that I'm not really that satisfied with a the CD ripping solutions I've tried in Linux
04:35:05Brunelluson the one hand, soundjuicer is slick and rockbox-friendly−−but it's really useless if your disc isn't in the Musicbrainz database, and adding an entry is just too much trouble that way
04:35:36sneakumsi'm still stumbling along with some shell scripts i wrote some years ago
04:35:38BrunellusGrip is a lot sparser and easier to use with obscure/indie/uncataloged CDs, but then it also lets you shoot yourself in the foot with the tagging the way I did.
04:36:38sneakumsi type all the tags myself, because i can't stand the incompleteness (and error-ridden nature) of the online databases
04:36:45sneakumsalso perhaps i have too much free time
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04:38:52Aloneaanyone here understand how to use the bmp2rb?
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04:39:15jackfusionhi all
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04:44:01jackfusionhi again
04:44:03AloneaI keep getting command not found when I try to use bmp2rb
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04:46:52debauched_slothAlonea, you need to have built RB yourself to have this tool. If you have done so, it's in rockbox/tools
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04:47:20Aloneayes I know. I see it. but its not working...
04:48:40Aloneabut I dont really know a whole lot about cygwin. All I have done with it is put in patches.
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04:52:21debauched_slothnot sure
04:52:51afruff23winamp can write vorbis comments write?
04:53:03afruff23or does it write id3 tags to flac files?
04:53:16debauched_slothI can convert it for you - send it to
04:53:38afruff23i have the flac plugin
04:53:54Aloneathat would work. gimmie juuust a sec
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04:58:16jackfusionhow do u stop an ipod from automatically shutting down?
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05:01:05Aloneadebauched_sloth: ok, I sent it
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05:04:32debauched_slothreplied, Alonea: with .raw file
05:04:37debauched_slothlooks great!
05:05:35Aloneadebauched_sloth: yeah, I didn't make it. perl did. he is t3h awesome
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06:08:18titooogood morning...
06:08:46titooocan anybody explain to me how i can change the way rockbox's tagnavi? ;)
06:09:00titooocreating tagnavi_custom.config makes it crash :D
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06:21:34combrainswow there has been a lot of work on the gb port today
06:22:08combrainsanyone here who may be able to help me out with the wiki?
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06:24:01combrainshey linuxstb_
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06:28:06droweI'm just getting started with putting Rockbox on my 5G iPod, and when I try to backup the bootpartition step, it says Drive is not an iPod, aborting
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06:29:10droweI on Fedora Core 6, and the device is /dev/sda2, which is what I use to mount the iPod for gtkpod and what not.
06:29:13droweany ideas?
06:30:47DogBoyit says
06:33:08drowewhy would that step fail, if the device is correct?
06:35:22droweif I try /dev/sda1, I get Bad boot sector signature
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06:36:52KCCare svn builds safe to use again?
06:36:52droweugh...nevermind. I was accessing the individual partitions rather than the _whole_ device (/dev/sda)
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06:37:22safetydanKCC, why wouldn't they be? As in, what do you think was broken?
06:37:43KCCyesterday i read not to use SVN builds, to stick to the daily build
06:37:49KCCwondering if thats still in effect
06:38:36combrainsi had a disput with bagder about that last night
06:38:45combrainshe didn't believe me
06:38:53combrainsuse it and see if it works
06:38:59safetydanWhich target do you think is broken?
06:39:12combrainsthe gb for starters
06:39:19safetydanLatest from SVN works fine on my H120
06:39:45combrainsim gonna build my own now - KCC - if you get the SVN from the site then we can compare
06:39:46safetydanah gigabeat
06:39:59safetydanwell that's a whole different kettle of fish
06:40:04lostlogicdaily builds are exactly 0% more stable than SVN... they just happen to be built once a day instead of on every commit.
06:40:50KCCalright combrains, ill get the lastest bootloader too
06:41:27combrainsit may have just been a freak of nature :P
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06:48:43combrainswhy does kdesvn tell me that my working copy is locked when I havn't locked it?
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06:53:42KCCnew bootloader with latest SVN works flawlessly
06:55:33combrainsfor some reason my working copy of the SVN is locked - I havnt locked it
06:55:35Mouser_XIs there anyone here that can help me with the VMware image?
06:56:09Mouser_XI'd like to setup a build environment, but I don't think the image is doing what I expect it to be doing.
07:01:31Mouser_Xscorche: You there?
07:01:44safetydanMouser_X, maybe describe your problem and someone can help
07:02:43Mouser_XI put in the command that the Wiki says, a bunch of stuff scrolls past, and then it stopped. It didn't look like it was done though...
07:03:00Mouser_XIt stopped on Hebrew (something).fnt
07:03:04Mouser_XOr, around there.
07:03:24safetydanIs there an error?
07:04:26safetydanHrm, not much to go on then
07:04:33Mouser_XThis is the command I put in (in case it's important)
07:04:34Mouser_Xsvn co svn:// rockbox
07:05:02Mouser_XStuff scrolled past. After awhile, I got tired of waiting, and I entered in the rest, after that.
07:05:19Mouser_X(See here)
07:05:20safetydanah, that command is getting the source from the rockbox SVN server
07:05:23safetydanyou should probably wait for it to finish
07:05:31Mouser_XI did wait.
07:05:41Mouser_XA reasonably long time.
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07:05:56Mouser_XAt least 10 minutes. Probably 30 or forty.
07:05:56safetydanIt can take at leat five or more minutes
07:06:06safetydanwell you can always try that command again
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07:06:20safetydanit will pick up where it left off last time
07:06:36Mouser_XI'll try that then, I guess.
07:06:50Mouser_XI think it may be too taxing on my system, actually.
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07:07:08safetydanAll it's really doing is downloading some files
07:07:13safetydanshouldn't be anything too taxing about that
07:07:28Mouser_XThere was severe slowdown, even though Windows Taskmanager said there was plenty of memory, and that the CPU usage wasn't up.
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07:08:57Mouser_X(Though, it took me awhile to get Taskmanager up, due to the bad slowdown.)
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07:26:08combrainsis there anyone here who can help me with the wiki?
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07:38:26ajayhey, i'm a new user of rockbox on ipod 5g 60gb
07:38:42ajayjust thought i'd tip my hat to the developers for a really nice job
07:39:18ajayand ask a quick question: does anybody know of a custom build that incorporates both julius' and senab's patchsets?
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07:52:41Mouser_Xcombrains: It's gotten further than before. That's nice.
07:52:45Mouser_XOh, just finished.
07:54:29Mouser_XDownloading, that is.
07:59:24Mouser_XSeems to be building.
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08:09:44Mouser_XThis is extremely debilitating...
08:09:48Mouser_XIt's very slow.
08:10:03combrainswhat is?
08:10:17combrainsyour build or the building process?
08:10:17Mouser_XRuning VMware.
08:10:37combrainswhat spec machiene are you running?
08:10:47combrainsthe host that is
08:10:53Mouser_XIt looks like it finished, but I can't find the end results.
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08:11:52Mouser_XThe PC I'm on (that's running VMware) is a 2 ghz AMD 64 bit CPU, with 512 MB of onboard RAM (and 512 MB of the page file, virtual memory, or whatever it's called).
08:12:18Mouser_XI think it's the memory that's the problem.
08:16:31combrainsyeah - its having to use virtual memory for the virtual machiene
08:17:03combrainsI can't get my VM to see my gb as a mass storage device - it thinks its a camera
08:17:20toffeI am running it on a laptop 1.6ghz and 512 mb with vmware worstation and also on a biprocessor 1ghz with 512mb with vmplayer and it run smoothly
08:17:21combrainsit sucks because i cant put my bild on it
08:18:07combrainsmy laptop is a core duo 1.66 GHz with 512MB ram running VMWare server and its sweet
08:18:23amiconnBagder: I thought we don't want C99-style variable declarations, but CONTRIBUTING doesn't say so... ?
08:18:59LinusNshame on us
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08:19:27hcsLinusN: Hi there, I'm here for my daily patch pestering.
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08:20:06Mouser_XSo, after running the VMware image, and it looks like it got done building, any idea where the end result can be found?
08:20:14amiconnBagder: And a completely different thing: The [diff] link seems to have problems when the file wasn't changed on every revision. Example:
08:20:17Mouser_XI can't seem to find anything useful anywhere.
08:20:53amiconnThe 'r1' parameter should be 120016, not 120061 for this file...
08:21:12amiconnMeh, 12016 instead of 12061 of course
08:21:42combrainsMouser_X, its all in the build dir you should have created
08:22:03Mouser_XI did create one. I can't see it.
08:22:12combrainsin the source dir
08:22:18amiconnLinusN: The reason why I was checking that is
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08:22:45hcshe just doesn't know how to get it out of the virtual machine onto the real machine, or how to get patches into the virtual machine, for that matter
08:23:07Mouser_XI can't see a source directory. I'm accessing it through the network drive.
08:23:26Mouser_Xsubversion, maybe?
08:23:30amiconnGrrr, TAB chars! :(
08:24:35tucozis there a typo on line 518 in the commit for bmp2rb.c?
08:24:58tucozor is there a function called swab?
08:25:15hcsswap byte?
08:25:18LinusNtucoz: there is
08:25:20tucozah. ok
08:26:04amiconndebauched_sloth: Could you please read CONTRIBUTING? There are some things in the LCD optimisation that shouldn't be there: (1) using TABs and (2) mixing brace placement style. Also, we don't want C99 variable declarations, although that is missing from CONTRIBUTING
08:26:45hcsexpand is handy for tab to space conversion
08:27:24tucozemacs as well. M-x-detabify iirc
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08:27:36sneakumsuntabify, i think
08:27:52Mouser_Xcombrains: If there's a source directory, I can't find it. I searched "gigabeat" in the network drive that VMware provides, and no useful stuff came up. As the wiki said, I created a directory called "build_gigabeat" and my search results brought up no directories at all.
08:29:17midgeyBadger: Since we're pestering you while you're not here I've got another SVN issue. The current tree does not allow changing commit messages using propedit.
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08:29:43hcsmouser: what is in the build_gigabeat directory?
08:30:03jamesshuanghmmm... I really messed this up... can someone with a gigabeat please send me a zip of their GBSYSTEM directory? after a finger slip, I accidentally deleted the folder, and now it won't boot x_x
08:30:13Mouser_XHCS: I don't know. I can't find it. As far as I can tell, it doesn't exist.
08:30:39hcshmm, so what is on the network drive?
08:30:40Mouser_XI'm assuming it contains the results of my build.
08:31:09combrainsmouser_x: how do you set up the network between the guest and host? It would be helpful for transfering my build out to windows
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08:31:38Mouser_XI have no idea how it was setup. VMware did it when it installed.
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08:34:19combrainsok - I have mine bridged - I was able to browse my windows shares in mdk 10 but I cant in suse 10.2
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08:41:34jamesshuangwell this is annoying... I see posts saying that the GBSYSTEM folder is installed with the software... except I can't install it because I"m on linux, and I don't have a ready windows install
08:41:58jamesshuangcan some kind soul send me a package of the GBSYSTEM folder? x_x
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08:49:32AndreSmithI have a question about the rockbox build. It says in the manual that the build consists of a folder called .rockbox If Im not mistaken, macs cant show this file, how would I get around this?
08:49:48hcsenable showing hidden files
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08:50:15AndreSmithI dont think mac os x has such an option
08:50:20AndreSmithOk, Ill check it out
08:50:23sneakumsit does.
08:50:58AndreSmithOk, so I guess I will have to consistantly see all the mac dystem files
08:51:10AndreSmithRather inconvinient
08:51:21sneakumsif you don't want do that, you can do "make zip" after "make", and then unzip that onto your player
08:51:34sneakums"make zip" will pack the build up into a
08:51:42jamesshuangnevermind :-p i managed to find a copy on the internet...
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08:51:46LinusNsome day we should strip that leading "."
08:52:01AndreSmithTrue, that seems a little unecerry
08:52:03LinusNit causes us more support trouble than it is worth
08:52:26AndreSmithHowever, will I ever need to touch the .rockbox folder?
08:52:31LinusNactually, it was fine until those mac guys came around
08:53:38LinusNthe os x way of unzipping forces the user to unzip to the desktop and then copy to the player
08:54:10AndreSmithI can use a program such as zipit
08:54:23AndreSmithBut If I were to put the folder there, then what?
08:54:23hcsLinusN: got a moment to take a look at the nsf patch?
08:54:31hcs(or maybe several moments?)
08:54:33AndreSmithWill I actually have to see it and move stuff there
08:54:41LinusNhcs, unfortunately not, have a meeting in a few minutes
08:54:50hcsok, meet well
08:55:04sneakumsAndreSmith: generally no
08:55:06LinusNAndreSmith: no, you will be fine once it's there
08:55:25AndreSmithok, so as long as its there I dont have to touch it. Good, It makes my life a little easier
08:55:40AndreSmithAnd If it were to accidently be deleted?
08:55:56LinusNthen you will see an error message when you start rockbox
08:56:19AndreSmithok, no problems
08:56:23AndreSmithThanks for the help guys
08:56:31LinusNyou're welcome
08:57:14AndreSmithWhat do you guys keep in that .rockbox folder?
08:57:28hcsmissile launch codes
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08:58:33LinusNAndreSmith: basically all files that belong to Rockbox, like fonts, WPS files, EQ presets, plugins etc
08:59:18amiconnLinusN: MacOS doesn't allow unzipping directly to the player???
08:59:35*amiconn has no idea of how os x works
09:00:02amiconnThe last MacOS I used (also only a tiny bit) was MacOS 7.x
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09:00:19AndreSmithAh ok, So I would have to turn hidden files off i were to include stuff like that
09:00:27amiconnI was unable to figure out how to do certain things
09:00:43AndreSmithSo I guess I'll turn hidden files off to create the .rockbox dir
09:01:49sneakumsamiconn: just hold down command-option-shift and press random keys until it does what you want
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09:07:52AndreSmithfrom here : what happens after the step-by-step instructions, before i enable dual boot?
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09:15:59austriancoderHi all
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09:17:02*austriancoder will call austriamicrosystems to talk about as3514 in a few minutes
09:17:07*petur wants to be in Austria ;)
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09:21:04amiconnmidgey: From looking at the code, your changed disktidy plugin leaks menu slots...
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09:29:21austriancodermy contact person at austriamicrosystems has at the moment a meeting.. i will call him later
09:31:20dan_aaustriancoder: Good luck!
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09:33:36LinusNamiconn: the standard behaviour of mac os x when you double-click on a .zip file is to unzip it to the same folder where the .zip resides
09:33:57LinusNmost mac users are happy with that behaviour
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09:35:37LinusNlast time i had a mac, i had to download a (buggy) zip utility, i believe it was "unzipit" to be able to unzip into a folder of my choice
09:36:01LinusNmac os x is not about choice, apparently
09:36:38peturit is... about Steve Jobs' choice
09:36:50LinusNbut as i said, most mac users seem to be happy with it
09:36:56LinusNgood for them
09:37:26*petur read Apple considers licensing fairplay
09:37:32AndreSmithmac users trying to install rockbox aren't ;)
09:37:38amiconnLinusN: But you could first copy the zip onto the player, and then unzip there (?)
09:37:49LinusNyes, how convenient
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09:41:28LinusNamiconn: still, we should perhaps recommend that approach in the installastion instructions for mac users
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09:42:10AndreSmithits pretty hard trying to install rockbox here
09:42:20AndreSmithI have tried terminal but it doesnt want to show .rockbox
09:42:31sneakumsAndreSmith: use the -a flag with ls
09:43:11sneakumsby default ls hides files whose names begin with a '.'
09:43:19sneakums(and directories)
09:44:27AndreSmithSo If I use ls, would it show hiddenfiles?
09:44:41sneakumsif you type "ls -a", it will
09:44:55AndreSmithOk, Im seeing them
09:45:13AndreSmithNow the difficult bit of getting the .rockbox folder in the player
09:45:32sneakumsif the player is mounted and showing on the desktop, ls /Volumes should show it in there
09:46:29sneakumsso assuming .rockbox is in your current directory, and your player is in /Volumes/thingy, you would use "cp -r .rockbox /Volumes/thingy" to copy it over
09:46:45AndreSmithThe zip seems to have removed .rockbox
09:47:32sneakumsi have no idea why it would do that
09:48:07AndreSmithwell, its not there
09:48:23sneakumsalso you may find you need to use "-R" and not "-r" with cp
09:48:34sneakumsdid you see it in an "ls -a" listing before?
09:48:34AndreSmithNo, im seeing hidden files
09:48:45sneakumsyou may need to cd to the directory where you did the build
09:48:48AndreSmithIts just when I unzip, rockbox isnt there
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09:49:40sneakumswell, it's ".rockbox", and i assume that's because the finder is not showing hidden files?
09:49:44AndreSmithYeh, I saw it
09:49:50AndreSmithWhat happens Is I download it
09:50:08AndreSmithFor an instant while its unzipping you can see the folder, then it disappears
09:51:12peturmaybe there's a difference between files with the 'hidden' attribute and the hiding of .filename stuff?
09:51:43AndreSmithI think "." defines it as being hidden
09:52:25*petur prefers the attribute way
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09:54:58AndreSmithThis also seems strange, because If I were to connect the sansa to the computer, the .rockbox folder may be deleted in the process
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09:55:43LinusNAndreSmith: have you tried to copy the .zip to the sansa and extract it in-place?
09:56:11AndreSmithThe zip is automatically extracted onto the desktop
09:56:24LinusNeven if the zip is on the sansa?
09:56:36AndreSmithonce its downloaded, it automatically unzips
09:56:54LinusNbut the original .zip must still be there, isn't it?
09:57:08AndreSmithHang on, I think its because i am using safari, i will try with firefox
09:57:18peturbah... who designed that crap
09:57:29AndreSmithSteves Minions
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09:57:55LinusNi think unzipping automatically is downright stupid
09:58:17*bluebrother agrees
09:58:37LinusNstill, it may be the preferred action for the average mac user
09:58:51LinusNwho downloads a ZIP that he/she doesn'
09:58:54LinusNt want to unzip?
09:59:06petur...which says everything about the average mac user... :p
09:59:06LinusNI DO!
09:59:12AndreSmithSomeone who wants to put it into the player ;)
09:59:17LinusNpetur: exactly
09:59:20sneakumssafari automatically opens what it judges to be "safe" files
09:59:24sneakumsthat feature can be disabled, iirc
09:59:31LinusNyeah, like zip bombs
09:59:50peturgets worse than IE
09:59:51sneakumsbut it's not confidence-inspiring that it's on by default
09:59:53AndreSmithit should have an otion at least
10:00:06LinusNoptions? on a mac? ha!
10:00:17*petur prepares a 50GB empty file and zips it :D
10:00:19AndreSmithThats why you have to use firefox
10:00:24sneakumsAndreSmith: the pref is caleld "automatically open safe files" or something, but it's definitely there (or it was in 10.3 anyway)
10:00:30*LinusN will soon receive anonymous threats
10:00:37AndreSmithTrue, i'll check that out
10:00:53GodEateryou think SteveJ monitors #rockbox LinusN ?
10:01:04GodEaterhe'll send his enforcers round...
10:01:09peturhe doesn't care
10:01:26LinusNwell, i took some heat for my statement about ipod users :-)
10:01:38GodEaterMust have missed that one
10:01:41AndreSmithOk, so I exracted it in the file and these were the results:
10:01:52AndreSmithIt created a folder called "rockbox Folder"
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10:01:54GodEaterI've been taking some heat myself for my opinion of the average ipod user
10:01:57sneakumsi liked camino a lot when i used os x, i hear it's gotten even better lately, although probably not for people who run firefox with a brace of extensions
10:02:06AndreSmithinside was "rockbox.e200"
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10:02:14LinusNAndreSmith: AAAAAAAH, stupid stupid mac!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:02:32AndreSmithI shall try again with ZipIt
10:02:38*petur edits the golden quotes page
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10:02:50GodEaterpetur: link ? :)
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10:03:08*petur was just joking
10:03:16linuxstbI just use the "unzip" command on my Mac - e.g. "unzip -d /Volumes/IPOD/"
10:03:30AndreSmithIll try that
10:03:46GodEaterpetur: shame - we should have such a page :)
10:03:52peturthere is
10:03:56linuxstbAndreSmith: Do you know about TAB-completion in the terminal?
10:03:59peturI was joking about editing it
10:04:36GodEatergot it
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10:05:36AndreSmithI am trying with ZipIt
10:05:42AndreSmithI can at least see .rockbox now
10:06:04AndreSmiththe question is whether it will stay
10:06:11GodEaterlol @ firefox/opera on arm quote
10:07:31peturthe WMA quote is my fav ;)
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10:07:41AndreSmithExcellent, .rockbox is there
10:07:50GodEateryes - that's also very amusing
10:08:00GodEaterLinusN should start a career in geek stand up comedy
10:08:32GodEaterperhaps he already has one :)
10:08:54LinusNthat's why i'm so busy all the time :-)
10:09:06GodEaterall those late nights in comedy clubs - I can imagine
10:09:24LinusNyes, and all the chicks and booze that come with it
10:09:47GodEaterin a geek comedy club? Wow. There must be a secret handshake to get in.
10:10:41LinusNof course - and all shows are in Klingon
10:11:04*GodEater really knew someone who bothered to learn it
10:11:22GodEater"Covnersational Klingon"
10:11:24*LinusN puts on "White and Nerdy"
10:11:35GodEateror conversational even
10:11:47*GodEater looks suspiciously at his fingers
10:11:57rp_austriancoder: check your query
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10:19:56safetydanoh bah, I misremembered. The astroinfo stuff doesn't have log/exp
10:20:45preglowi think it'll be a pain to make one that's flexible too
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10:33:18safetydanpreglow, how about something like this?
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10:40:24preglowsafetydan: had a look at that, and it's really great for arm, not so much on coldfire. anyway, primary thing is i don't know how easy it is to adapt to differing amounts of fractional bits
10:40:37preglowthen again, that might not really be so very important
10:41:07preglowme notices there is an fp_exp() in firmware/replaygain.c ...
10:41:23preglowno log
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10:50:38safetydanpreglow, I believe it would just be a matter of recalculating the constants with different fractional bits, but I could be wrong
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10:52:42preglowsafetydan: yeah, i guess that's true
10:52:58preglowi wonder what fp_exp does
10:53:03preglowthat does muls
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10:57:25safetydanpreglow, what input format are you looking for? I'm assuming this is for the dsp, so that's 27 fractional bits?
10:59:55preglowsafetydan: that's the problem, there's no fixed input format, i'll be using it in random filter design spots
11:00:19preglowbut anyway, one with a fixed number of frac bits should do
11:00:30preglownow that i think of it
11:00:42preglowit'll mostly be used to convert decibels to linear amplitude
11:00:57preglowwhere very high precision isn't really needed
11:01:23*safetydan cuts and pastes 16.16 versions from above web page
11:01:25safetydandone and done
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11:15:07markunOn the gigabeat I sometimes find the boost counter at 2 during playback without going down, does this happen on other targets as well?
11:16:00markunaustriancoder: to the rockbox community?
11:16:19JdGordonaustriancoder: good news or bad news?
11:16:26austriancodervery good news
11:16:34JdGordonthen spit it out!!
11:16:41austriancoderwill create a wiki page
11:17:21*safetydan wonders why make hates him
11:18:00scorchebecause you make it do things without asking
11:18:06scorcheick...bad pun...
11:18:35safetydanI blame Bagder actually. It's his lang features change that's not working for me.
11:19:02*Bagderr takes blame and goes to stand in corner
11:19:12JdGordonamiconn: you there?
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11:19:49markunBagderr: it seems that most of the SVN builds for the Gigabeat don't work, did someone already tell you?
11:20:18markunI mean the auto builds, not our own SVN builds
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11:21:23LinusNwhat exactly is "don't work"?
11:21:26linuxstbmarkun: Has anyone compared the binaries? Are you using the same gcc/binutils that are on the build servers?
11:21:30safetydanBagder, the loop to build up the $feat variable in that patch seems to work, but when $feat gets passed to genlang, it gets printed as $feat rather than the contents
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11:21:55Bagderrsafetydan: oh :-/
11:22:54safetydanso I have a features.txt with #if define(HAVE_LCD_REMOTE) remote #endif and that bit all works, but not the passing to genlang
11:23:15markunLinusN, linuxstb: I didn't investigate it yet and am using my own builds.
11:24:44GodEatermarkun: and you're using the same binutils / gcc that we have on our build servers?
11:26:53amiconnpetur: You cannot zip a 50GB file. The zip format uses 32bit values for file sizes
11:27:39linuxstbIsn't there a "zip64" format? I've received zip files containing > 4GB files (but generally have trouble with them).
11:27:41peturthere goes my plot
11:28:11preglowlinuxstb: there is
11:28:13amiconnWell, you can zip a bunch of 2GB files...
11:28:22markunGodEater: I use gcc 4.0.2 and binutils 2.16, some others use gcc 4.1.1 and binutils 2.17 I think
11:28:30markunboth work fine
11:29:01linuxstbmarkun: Is your binutils exactly 2.16?
11:29:31markunlinuxstb: is there a way to check this? arm-elf-ld −−version just shows 2.16
11:29:41markunDoes it contain bugs?
11:29:48linuxstbThen it is exactly 2.16. It would show the minor version otherwise.
11:30:25linuxstbI'm using 2.16.1, and have generated builds which freeze on my ipod Color, but hcs (running 2.16) built the same source without problems.
11:30:30amiconnsafetydan, preglow: Check they greyscale lib for a fixed point log / exp installs 2.16.1
11:31:59markunlinuxstb: ok, maybe that's the cause, needs some more investigation
11:32:04preglowthe grayscale lib is rather larger than i'd have imagined
11:32:36amiconnYeah, it can do a lot of things...
11:32:44safetydanthey look like they're from that web page I linked to before
11:34:36amiconnYes, they use this algorithm
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11:39:17jbahow goes
11:40:15bluebrotherhmm. Shouldn't the verbose error message in the bootloader still print the error number?
11:40:25bluebrotherespecially for an unknown error?
11:41:04linuxstbAre there any unknown errors?
11:41:21linuxstbIf the error messages are unique, I can't see a need for the number.
11:42:00bluebrotherI just looked at the recent diff, and "Unknown error" sounds a bit ... unhelpful to me
11:42:19bluebrotherno idea if those error numbers are actually used
11:42:19linuxstbI'm guessing that is just for safety and won't actually happen in the code.
11:43:36linuxstbaustriancoder: Interesting... Do you have any more info on their player? i.e. flash or HD based?
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11:45:07austriancoderlinuxstb: at the moment not... but i will request some basic facts about their chip
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11:45:50linuxstbaustriancoder: It's not that important, I'm just curious. I've just committed myself to a new port, so should stay away from it...
11:46:53markunvadim who worked on the low level code for the Gigabeat was a bit sad that the fun part was mostly over. Maybe he wants to start another port :)
11:47:15linuxstbHe's not tempted by the Gigabeat S?
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11:47:35mitch04can anyone help me please?
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11:47:58mitch04im making some good progress on porting creative zen vision m
11:48:02mitch04need help a bit
11:48:15markunmitch04: what kind of help?
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11:49:21mitch04hi im trying to crack the firmware but having problem trying to pass the checksum or signature validation
11:49:48austriancoderlinuxstb: i think the single-chip solution is the AS3525
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11:50:31Bagderrso do you know how/when we can get the data sheet for the 3514?
11:50:34markunmitch04: don't really know how to help with that
11:50:53mitch04oh ok
11:51:02mitch04do u know anyone would?
11:51:31markunmitch04: I was lucky that someone came out of nowhere and solved the gigabeat encryption when I couldn't do it
11:51:58markunmitch04: there is a mysterious MrH who might be able to help you. Talk to Bagderr about it..
11:51:58mitch04oh ok
11:52:22markunmitch04: how far did you get with the porting so far?
11:52:30Bagderryou don't call him, he calls you ;-)
11:52:40linuxstbAnd he's not cheap.
11:52:46mitch04oh hey badgerr
11:52:52mitch04i need some help
11:52:58Bagderryes I can read
11:53:01austriancoderBagderr: i dont know.. my contact person told me that i should present you with all this informations and i will call him back in a few days..
11:53:04markunno badgers here..
11:53:10mitch04im trying to crack the firmware but having problem trying to pass the checksum or signature validation
11:53:12Bagderraustriancoder: ok
11:53:16Bagderraustriancoder: nice work btw!
11:54:02mitch04would u know?
11:54:33Bagderrmitch: cracking checksums and signatures is a hard and time consuming work
11:54:54Bagderrdisassembly is your friend
11:54:57markunmitch04: start a wiki page with everything you have found out so far
11:54:59mitch04dam is there a way to bypasses it
11:55:28mitch04im not the one whos really doing this im helping this gie out
11:55:30markunmitch04: is the firmware stored in flash or also partly on the hdd?
11:55:53mitch04have a look around
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11:56:35markunmitch04: so, did you make any progress with the rockbox port?
11:56:55Bagderrthat thread is about extracting PNGs
11:57:13mitch04we just want to know if we can crack then firmware
11:57:14markunmitch04: I thought you did because of "11:47 < mitch04> im making some good progress on porting creative zen vision m"
11:57:36mitch04then it starts to get esier
11:57:41Bagderrmitch: so where are the details on what you've learned so far?
11:57:43preglowaustriancoder: at least getting rockbox to work on such a highly powered chip shouldn't be an ipod-style challenge
11:57:50Bagderrin a forum thread about PNGs?
11:58:19mitch04look im sorry mabe i should just
11:58:27preglow2.5mbit on-chip ram?
11:58:29*preglow salivates
11:58:55mitch04so could u made register and help them out please
11:58:59mitch04cya later
11:59:00Bagderrno way
11:59:06mitch04why not?
11:59:09Bagderrif you want help, you come and you present info
11:59:26mitch04will do
11:59:26mitch04cya later
11:59:28Bagderrwe don't wanna go around chasing stuff hidden in a messy forum
11:59:29preglow14 bit adc seems a bit weird, though
11:59:34markunmitch04: is it running windows CE?
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12:00:59markunBagderr: in the netherlands we have a saying "making someone happy with a dead bird" ...
12:01:35markundo you undestand what I mean?
12:02:09markun"I've made great progress.. but haven't actually started yet"
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12:17:59JdGordonwhat do we want to do with nvram settings when settings are moved to .cfg files?
12:18:31JdGordonuse the current system and keep a version just for them? or ignore them for a while?
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12:28:04markunBagderr: picked a date yet for the next devcon? :)
12:29:03Bagderrno, but we really should
12:29:33markunin the summer maybe?
12:31:43GodEaterbit long to wait for lunch
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12:32:37Nico_Phave you guys seen ?
12:32:45Nico_Palmost sounds too good to be true
12:33:34ZagorNico_P: quite a turn-around
12:34:07Nico_Pisn't this the company that accepted to give the datasheet only under NDA ?
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12:36:25amiconnZagor: Do you know what's up with the [diff] links in the changes table?
12:37:00Nico_Pamiconn: they work fine for me
12:37:08preglowanything is up with them?=
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12:43:17roolkuamiconn: they don't work if one part is missing (e.g. file creation/deletion)
12:43:49Zagorah, that. that's Bagder's department
12:44:07Zagor(we've got Blaming down to an art form)
12:48:16amiconnNico_P: They're only working when the file changes in every revision.
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12:48:31amiconnE.g. this one doesn't work:
12:49:01Nico_Pamiconn: to me it seems to work... am i missing something ?
12:54:15GodEaterworks for me too
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12:58:33Bagderramiconn: what's wrong with that?
13:00:22amiconnI get a python exception
13:00:32Mikachumaybe you pasted the wrong link
13:01:23Genre9mp3the link works fine here
13:01:42*linuxstb adds a "works for me too"
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13:02:00Mikachuthis one doesn't work though
13:02:18amiconnStrange. It does work from another system, but not here.
13:02:24linuxstbMikachu: The file probably didn't exist at revision 12007,
13:03:13linuxstbyes it didn't, or yes it did?
13:03:35Mikachuthe first
13:03:38Zagor says it didn't exist in 12007
13:03:54Mikachuso the diff links shouldn't show up for new files, or deletions
13:04:06GodEateror should show as all green diffs
13:04:58linuxstbsvn seems to act strangely with new files - I noticed that if you do a "svn diff" with a new local file, then apply that patch to a different tree, then -R that patch, it doesn't remove the new file, just makes it empty.
13:05:23GodEaterso we should definitely move to git ;)
13:05:55linuxstbAlso, is there any way to make SVN checkout files with the real timestamps? At least for me, it seems to give files the checkout time.
13:06:22GodEaterlinuxstb: patch svn ? ;-) *ducks*
13:07:28*linuxstb spots a use-commit-times option
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13:13:08amiconnIt persists, no matter how often I reload
13:14:11GodEaterCtrl-F5 refresh too ?
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13:15:18Zagoramiconn: that is my department. weird that I can't repeat it though.
13:16:08Zagori gotta go out a bit, will look more later
13:19:16amiconnWeird. Ctrl-F5 did the trick
13:19:36*amiconn wonders what's the difference between this and a normal refresh
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13:20:33peturit forces a refresh
13:20:45peturthe normal refresh can use the cache
13:21:26Genre9mp3refresh that uses the cache doesn't make much sense to me.. :/
13:21:57idnarrefresh forces it to contact the server again
13:22:00Mikachuit usually refreshes page content but not images
13:22:01idnarotherwise it might not even do that
13:22:26idnarbut a normal refresh still uses cached content in lieu of downloading it again, if that makes sense based on modification time etc.
13:22:34idnaror something along those lines, anyhow
13:22:51idnarvaries from browser to browser too, of course
13:22:53Mikachuthe http headers for amiconn's link include
13:22:54MikachuExpires: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:32:17 GMT
13:22:54MikachuCache-Control: max-age=600
13:23:15Mikachui'm not sure what that means exactly though :)
13:23:45Genre9mp3Anyway "Ctrl-F5" is a good trick to know though :)
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13:29:12daurnimatormeans that the site changes alot
13:29:20daurnimatorand don't remember it for more than 10 mins
13:30:05Mikachuso if the browser contacted the server, it should have reloaded the page
13:30:30linuxstbBut why did it fail the first time?
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13:32:54preglowbrowser bug?
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13:33:05preglowwhat browser was it anyway?
13:33:39peturI've seen things like this with both IE and FF
13:33:59peturI use ctrl-f5 a lot...
13:34:32amiconnpreglow: Firefox
13:34:52amiconnon windows
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13:35:40linuxstbpreglow: But it looks like a server error originally. The caching is looks like something else.
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13:39:44markunlinuxstb: is there a reason for pcm_set_frequency not being implemented for the portalplayers?
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13:42:58rp_Bagderr: please could you add my user(RenePeinthor) to the twiki group?
13:43:03peturwoooo 64GB 1.8" flash drives coming :)
13:43:56linuxstbmarkun: No, just not done yet...
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13:44:48Genre9mp3petur: costing a fortune, too
13:45:25markunlinuxstb: I've added some more freqs to the gigabeat driver, does it look ok?
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13:46:45Genre9mp3petur: After some years we may bid 50$ for 256GB SSDs though... hope my H300 will be in good shape until then ;)
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13:47:40GodEaterhahaha -> "In addition, SSDs promise to enhance battery life by a few minutes."
13:47:52Genre9mp3few minutes?
13:48:05GodEateromg!! lolz! 4 f3w m1niut3z - mu$t h4v3 it n0w!!!
13:48:29linuxstbmarkun: You can test by changing the output frequency in Doom to something other than 44.1KHz, and see if you can switch between music and Doom OK. i.e. play music, then Doom, then music etc.
13:48:30GodEaterI'd imagine it'd be more than a few
13:48:31peturtalking about laptops probably
13:48:33DataGhostit's almost like they mean 'improving the battery life by 100%'
13:48:49linuxstbmarkun: I think Doom's "native" output is 22.050KHz.
13:49:23Bagderrrp_: you added now?
13:49:34markunlinuxstb: 11.025KHz already worked fine, but I'm not sure if 48KHz etc work
13:49:38Bagderrand why oh why did austriancoder add the page in a non-wiki name...
13:50:08pixelmaGodEater: I think your server uses the "faulty" GCC 4.1.1 version, too. It throws the same wrong warnings like lostlogic's (at least this is how I understood the issue).
13:50:42GodEaterpixelma: odd - I used
13:50:56linuxstbThat's probably your native gcc - for the simulators.
13:51:00GodEaterah yes
13:51:12rp_Bagderr: doesn't look so, can't edit any page
13:51:30GodEaterI'll have a look at the gcc version when I get home then
13:51:41GodEaterwhat's the "recommended" simulator one then ?
13:52:04Bagderrrp_: try now
13:52:04linuxstbProbably anything apart from the version you have installed...
13:52:41GodEaterI have 4.1.1_r3 on *this* box
13:52:46GodEaterwonder what I have at home
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13:53:30GodEateris it all sim builds? or just particular ones ?
13:53:35rp_Bagderr: works now, thank you
13:54:12GodEaterare you fixing wiki accounts Bagder ?
13:54:27linuxstbGodEater: I can't remember the details.
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13:55:12Zagoramiconn: try the viewvc link now
13:55:34linuxstbmarkun: Did you try the test_sampr.c plugin? I've just remembered it exists...
13:55:52markunah, no
13:56:00linuxstbIt's in SVN, just add it to SOURCES
13:56:30GodEaterhmm - it seems even 4.1.1_r3 generates those warnings
13:56:36GodEaterlooks like I may have to downgrade
13:57:03markunlinuxstb: it's broken, but I'll try to fix it
13:57:15amiconnGodEater: Newer 4.1.1 versions work as well as older ones
13:57:31amiconnOnly some 4.1.1 had that bug
13:57:43GodEateramiconn: This is the latest version of gcc in portage though
13:58:11amiconnThe faulty ones were in debian unstable around half a year ago
13:58:20GodEaterI'll have to go back to 4.0.x
13:58:21amiconnLong replaced by newer ones
13:58:44GodEaterI could unmask either 4.2 or 4.3 ....
13:59:05GodEaterbut they're both hardmasked though
13:59:14GodEaterso I suspect they're very broken indeed
13:59:23GodEaterotherwise they'd just be keyword masked
13:59:28*GodEater goes to read why
14:00:26GodEaterGCC snapshots; use with extreme care and only report bugs if you have a patch
14:00:38GodEaterwell that's not terribly descriptive
14:04:01GodEaterI'll try 4.2 here on this machine, and if it's ok - I'll emerge it at home too
14:05:21Zagoramiconn: can you please test to see if you still get an error on this link?
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14:06:20GodEaterZagor: think a Ctrl-F5 in his browser already fixed it
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14:07:00ZagorGodEater: oh? because there was actually an error. oh well.
14:07:13Zagor(error = bad config)
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14:07:54GodEaterwell that might have been why he got it in the first place I guess
14:08:07GodEaterweird how none of the rest of us did though
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14:16:55roolkuZagor: I get an error on diffs now, for example on
14:17:08roolkuZagor: message is here:
14:17:57markunlinuxstb: how is the plugin supposed to work? I don't get any output why I select a waveform and samplerate
14:18:17Zagorroolku: try again now
14:18:20linuxstbmarkun: I've no idea. You need to ask jhMikeS
14:18:30preglowit's supposed to play a sustained tone
14:18:36markunlinuxstb: I made these changes
14:21:32roolkuZagor: works fine. thank you. Now there are just those left:
14:22:24Zagorroolku: well... there is no such file in svn.
14:23:30amiconnZagor: The file was removed in that commit
14:23:53amiconnIt looks like newly added files and deleted files need special handling
14:24:27Zagoryes. but that's an issue for the front-page table (i.e. Bagder), not for viewvc.
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14:27:15markunlinuxstb, preglow: I forgot to add HW_SAMPR_CAPS to the gigabeat config, maybe that will fix it
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15:07:57bradleyi have a 4GB nano and want to try this as it sounds brilliant
15:08:28bradleythe only issue is that if something goes wrong - can i restore the nano back exactly as it was when i first bought it?
15:08:28Mikachuis it a first gen?
15:09:17bradleyMikachu, how can i tell - isn't the new 8GB models the 'second' gen?
15:09:26GodEaterbradley: is it all metal ?
15:09:40GodEateror does it have a plastic front and a metal back
15:09:57Galoislook at the small end. If it looks like (−−−−−−) then it's second gen. If it looks like [−−−−−−] then it's first gen.
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15:10:19GodEaternice ascii art there
15:11:25Galois first gen
15:11:34Galois second gen
15:12:09GodEaterobviously this was a difficult question
15:12:22Mikachumaybe something came up!
15:13:02bradleyok ill check. thanks!
15:13:15bradleysorry - i had to get it
15:13:32Mikachuif it's rounded, you're out of luck
15:13:53GodEaternot that you could break it trying to install rockbox on it
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15:14:00GodEateripodpatcher would refuse to work
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15:18:38bradleymy ipod looks like . The corners are rounded (unlike
15:19:37bradleyModel MA107J
15:20:12bradleyi bought it 6 or so months before the recently release 8GB models
15:20:53Mikachuthen it should work fine
15:21:12Mikachui guess just saying rounded is a bit ambiguous :) sorry
15:21:34Mikachuand to answer your question, yes you can
15:21:37GodEaterand in answer to your first question - yes you can uninstall rockbox if you decide you don't like it
15:21:48GodEaterMikachu: curse your faster fingers ;)
15:21:56Mikachui picked a shorter sentence
15:22:03GodEaterfaster brain then
15:25:21bradleyok cheers
15:25:33bradleywell then - ill give it a go!
15:26:36bradleyid love to play my music lossless
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15:27:35bradleywhere can i find a list of the audio it supports - and do i use itunes or other software to put music on it?
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15:29:25bradleyhello again
15:29:37bradleywhere can i find a list of the audio it supports - and do i use itunes or other software to put music on it?
15:29:39bradleywhere can i find a list of the audio it supports - and do i use itunes or other software to put music on it?
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15:29:40bradleywhere can i find a list of the audio it supports - and do i use itunes or other software to put music on it?
15:29:41bradleywhere can i find a list of the audio it supports - and do i use itunes or other software to put music on it?
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15:29:41bradleywhere can i find a list of the audio it supports - and do i use itunes or other software to put music on it?
15:29:54bradleyow sorry about that
15:30:33Bagderrbradley: the SoundCodecs wiki page
15:30:47DataGhostlucky there are no ops around
15:31:00bradleyim using the web client and it didnt paste into the typing area first but went straight to the window - id didn't look my apologies gents
15:31:00Bagderrand you can use i-tunes or other means to transfer music
15:31:05GodEaterand you just drag and drop the files onto the iPod - no need for iTunes
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15:31:26GodEateralthough as Bagder says - there's nothing stopping you continuing to use iTunes either
15:31:46GodEaterjust make sure you read the manual - particularly the Database section
15:31:59GodEaterotherwise you'll be back here later asking "Where's all my music gone?"
15:32:07bradleyGodEater, oh thats a feature id love as well - i remember being peeved at not being able to do that with the ipod - unlike other players
15:32:11GodEaterin which case you owe us all $50 each
15:32:20DataGhostthat would be great
15:32:25LinusNhas anyone found a nice way to detect if the ipod has 2048-byte logical sectors or not?
15:32:37GodEaterfrom the 'pod itself ?
15:32:39bradleyhell, and theres alot of people here
15:32:40DataGhosto'reilly book about 'understanding the linux kernel' costs just about that GodEater :P
15:32:50LinusNGodEater: yes
15:33:11bradleyfunny you should mention that book as i have it here on my shelf
15:33:13GodEaterwords 117-118 I think
15:33:19GodEatergotta run - bbiab
15:33:21LinusNi want to detect the sector size to adapt the fat code
15:33:24Chegel ?
15:33:29DataGhosthm.. I was going to suggest reading the fat32 partition header
15:33:41GodEaterI'll check it against my 60Gb identify info later
15:33:44DataGhostbut seeing that it doesn't work at all yet I don't think that's going to work
15:33:51DataGhostor can you read the header LinusN?
15:33:58LinusNGodEater: those words won't help me
15:34:02DataGhostbecause the sector size is defined as 2048 bytes in there
15:34:08pixelmaChegel: you have to use english here - check your keyboard setting too
15:34:12bradleycheers godeater
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15:34:43LinusNDataGhost: reading the header is one way
15:34:47bradleyyes ill read that manual
15:35:06DataGhostthat's just as far as my knowledge goes at this moment :)
15:35:07LinusNwhere is the header?
15:35:12DataGhostbut still the only 'real' thing I saw
15:35:16DataGhosteh. first bytes of the partition
15:35:23DataGhostoffset 0xb 2 bytes
15:35:34pixelmabradley: maybe this is interesting too for you
15:35:47DataGhost LinusN
15:35:52DataGhostat 0x5000 the partition starts
15:35:54LinusNbut how can i find the partition if i don't know the sector size?
15:36:03DataGhosthm. heh.
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15:36:13DataGhostI thought you just tried to multiply those values until you saw something logical
15:36:24LinusNthat's what we do today, yes
15:36:30amiconnLinusN: Why do you want to adapt the fat code to 2048byte fat sectors? It alreeady handles those
15:36:52LinusNamiconn: because it reads and writes one sector at a time
15:36:54amiconnAdapting ata is a different thing though - but that's 1024 byte pyhsic al sectors
15:37:28LinusNi will adapt the fat code to use full 2048 byte sectors
15:37:40LinusN(on the platforms that need it)
15:37:58DataGhostwell LinusN since the harddrive doesn't return proper values afaik
15:38:05DataGhostthe only way I know is looking in the fat32 partition
15:38:16DataGhostit's not defined in the MBR either
15:38:18LinusNyes, i'll keep the current approach for now
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15:38:29ChegelRUSSIA HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!
15:38:41DataGhostyou don't have to shout for long-distance chat Chegel
15:38:46DataGhostnot even in russia :)
15:39:21Chegelcan you say in Russian?))
15:39:31LinusNChegel: never mind
15:39:43***Alert Mode OFF
15:39:51ChegelMicka4u, ty russkii znaesh'?
15:39:56DataGhostoh dear.. I think he's using babelfish
15:40:00LinusNChegel: english please
15:40:41amiconnLinusN: What would be the advantage? Imho it's wasting buffer ram and we will probably run into stack problems
15:41:25LinusNthe advantage would be KISS and most likely performance
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15:41:36amiconnSlasheri already had code that was sort-of working with 2048 byte sectors at fat level, but it was unstable
15:41:47LinusNi think the ipod can afford a few Kbyte extra stack
15:41:57amiconn(and less kiss than the current solution)
15:42:10LinusNthe current solution will not work
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15:42:24leftrighti've made some changes to the iriver flashing page, could someone proof read it please
15:42:28LinusNsince 1-sector access is not possible
15:43:19leftrightspecifically the flashing procedure
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15:43:38LinusNfaking 1-sector access in the ata code by using a sector cache is not kiss in my opinion
15:44:18LinusNand wasting a few kilobytes on the 32mbyte ipod will not make any difference
15:45:34amiconnYes, possibly
15:46:57amiconnBut you could check identify info for the ata physical size, and then use _this_ sector size in the fat code
15:47:30LinusNsure, but then i need to allocate the buffers dynamically
15:47:58amiconnYou could just allocate a defined maximum
15:48:26LinusNyes of course, and have as many fat_cache entries that would fit in the buffer
15:48:47LinusNbut how is that more kiss than using a fixed size?
15:49:31amiconnThe drawback of using 2048byte sectors when 1024byte sectors are enough is that there is more overhead for small accesses tiny files, reading directories and the fat
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15:50:27amiconnAnd the mechanism to handle larger logical sectors by combining physical sectors is already there, and should be kept for all (other targets imho
15:50:37LinusNthe fat is cached, so having larger sectors might even increase the cache hit rate
15:50:38leftrighthmm, how can one accentuate the "dot" in .rockbox, its soo easy to mistakeit for rockbox on the wiki
15:51:18amiconnLinusN: The hit rate would certainly be higher with e.g. 8*1024byte sectors in the cache than with 4*2048 byte sectors
15:51:24leftrightthe dot is so darn faint/small^^ least when there is more than one file open, or the opened file is fragmented
15:51:45Mikachuleftright: use a monospace font?
15:51:54LinusNamiconn: yes, perhaps
15:53:00amiconnIf you use a fixed size, you will run into problems on the plain G5
15:53:11amiconn...and I thought we don't want to split builds
15:53:22LinusNthe actual sector size will be calculated
15:53:31LinusNbut the buffers will use a fixed size
15:53:43amiconnThen you'll waste buffer...
15:53:58LinusNyes, several kilobytes out of 32 megs
15:54:26amiconnWhy not use them? They're allocated anyway
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15:54:46LinusNbut i agree that i could make the fat cache use the entire buffer
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15:55:29LinusNor at least most of it, since the cache size has to be a power of 2 at the moment
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15:56:18LinusNi think you have convinced me to use the physical sector size in the fat code
15:57:24LinusNit will be a little more code for the smaller targets, if we don't want lots of #ifdef in the fat code
15:57:38LinusNsince the cache size will be dynamic
15:57:55amiconnThe large logical sector support also added some code to all targets
15:58:00amiconnA few hundred bytes
15:58:25amiconnWhy does the cache size need to be dynamic?
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15:58:51LinusNamiconn: because you wanted to use the entire cache buffer
15:59:08LinusNand the sector size is dynamic
15:59:21amiconnIf it needs to be a power of 2, and ata sectors are also a power of 2, 8KB would give 8 1024-byte sectors or 16 512-byte-sectors
15:59:34amiconnConstant buffer size...
15:59:34LinusNyes, that will probably not be a problem
15:59:52LinusNbut the number of cache entries will be dynamic
16:00:09LinusNso these can no longer be constant:
16:00:10LinusN#define FAT_CACHE_SIZE 0x20
16:00:11LinusN#define FAT_CACHE_MASK (FAT_CACHE_SIZE-1)
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16:00:29amiconnThat's true. But the management struct is fairly small, so reserve it to be sufficient for 512-byte sectors
16:00:45amiconnWith 1024-byte sectors, only half of it would be used
16:01:08FRiZzOWhen I plug my usb adapter in for charge it reboots in an endless loop.
16:01:16FRiZzOis there something I have to change?
16:01:22LinusNamiconn: i think i'll let that be dependent on MAX_SECTOR_SIZE
16:01:33FRiZzOoops, I'm using ipod 5g video
16:01:36amiconnOf course than means the sector buffer itself can't be part of the management struct
16:01:55LinusNbut it isn't
16:02:10LinusNstatic char fat_cache_sectors[FAT_CACHE_SIZE][SECTOR_SIZE];
16:02:10LinusNstatic struct fat_cache_entry fat_cache[FAT_CACHE_SIZE];
16:02:13amiconneven better - no change required here
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16:02:48LinusNwe could even allocate it with buffer_alloc if we wanted to
16:02:48amiconnfat_cache_sectors must be reserved differently
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16:03:23amiconnSECTOR_SIZE is always 512, so the allocation itself could be kept, but then the addressing must change
16:04:57LinusNi think we would want a larger cache on the larger hard drives
16:05:20amiconnHmm, the ata driver could have a function that returns the physical sector size of the drive
16:05:21LinusNor at least not smaller than the smaller drives
16:05:27LinusNamiconn: yes, it will
16:05:32midgeyamiconn: which function am i leaking slots in? i used the code from wormlet as an example so that plugin may be leaking as well
16:06:54amiconnmidgey: in tidy_lcd_menu(), rb->menu_exit(loc); is never executed, because you return from within the switch()
16:07:04LinusNtime for me to go
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16:20:02FebsFRiZzO: hold Menu as you insert the USB cable.
16:20:26Stalwartcool, svn frontend seems to work fine now
16:23:36GodEaterdid we come up with a method of finding the physical / logical sector size ?
16:24:00GodEateror is it no longer relevant ?
16:26:33StalwartGodEater: fdisk probably?
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16:31:10XavierGr"svn diff > file" will make a diff on my current source checkout right?
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16:35:53austriancoderXavierGr: jep
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16:37:13XavierGrthanks it worked :)
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16:38:52midgeyamiconn: does this solution appear to work correctly?
16:39:18midgeytop part is the patch and the bottom is the resulting function
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16:42:00XavierGrdamn it the spc patch doesn't work realtime for H100
16:42:07XavierGr(and H300)
16:42:17midgeyits because there's floating point in it
16:42:38XavierGrwho is the author of it? hcs or the zsnes guy?
16:42:45midgeyhcs i think
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16:43:56GodEaterStalwart: we need to do it dynamically in rockbox
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16:46:19amiconnmidgey: No it won't work properly
16:46:20hcsit is a port from Game_Music_Emu by blargg, by me
16:46:45hcsit really doesn't use much floating point at all, but I haven't even begun trying to improve speed yet
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16:46:50amiconnChanging loc and then calling menu_exit with the changed value doesn't sound like a good idea...
16:47:07XavierGrhcs:nice work, it runs steadily but very slow on H100/H300
16:47:07midgeygood point...
16:47:26XavierGrso are you going to optimize it? Is there room for any optimization?
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16:47:34*amiconn wonders why so many menus have an explicit "exit" item
16:47:47hcsI honestly haven't studied it too closely, I'm sure there is room for improvement
16:47:51midgeyavoid confusion for the user maybe?
16:47:54linuxstbDoesn't that mean "exit plugin" ?
16:48:06amiconnOne can always leave the menu with Left, or Stop, or the equivalent of Stop depending on target
16:48:37XavierGrhcs: I hate (jealous) of all the new Gigabeat users with the 300Mhz CPU!! :P
16:48:48amiconnThen it would be possible to use menu_run() instead of menu_show(), and things become easier...
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16:49:08XavierGrhcs: Is nfs realtime for all SW targets?
16:49:20hcsXavierGr: I got NSF down from too slow to faster than MP3 on iPod, so I'd think it is possible
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16:50:11hcstracks using the N106 still don't run realtime on anything but the gigabeat
16:50:30XavierGrI should try NSF too
16:50:38hcseverything else runs fine on anything I've heard of people testing it on
16:50:55midgeyXavierGr: nsf has about a 10% boost ratio on my h320
16:51:08XavierGrthat's very nice
16:51:24XavierGrthough I am not a NES guy :P
16:51:35XavierGrAll my childhood memories are with SNES
16:51:37markunXavierGr: yes, rockbox runs quite nice on the gigabeat :)
16:52:00XavierGrI should get one, but these machines are rare from what I've heard
16:52:36markunXavierGr: they are a little less rare in australia
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16:52:49hcsI got mine refurbished from
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16:53:38perl|workif theres a country full of all models of gigabeats its australia
16:53:54XavierGrI wonder why
16:54:01perl|workthey even have the X models on au official gigabeat site
16:54:08XavierGrit seems that the Gigabeat is quite nice in DAP terms
16:54:14XavierGralmost as nice as an H100/H300 :P
16:54:28perl|workgigabeat X is the best player ever made
16:54:33perl|workin my opinion
16:54:36w1ll14mthe weather is freakin here......
16:54:41midgeyamiconn: is this better?
16:54:50XavierGrperl: does it have USBOTG?
16:54:54midgeyi have to go to class, so i'll read about it in the logs
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16:55:37w1ll14mDataGhost: are you there?
16:55:52markunperl|work: I think it depends on what you do with it, it has no recording for example
16:56:30markunXavierGr: it has a USB host and USB device controller, but 1.1 though..
16:56:44XavierGrmarkun: like H300 I guess
16:57:12markunXavierGr: from what I understand USBOTG is different
16:57:18perl|workmarkun i agree, it doesnt have every feature possible but its well balanced and with rockbox its just great
16:57:51markunXavierGr: you can only connect 1 device to a USBOTG port for example
16:58:29markunperl|work: when we get some dock connectors to play with we can add digital audio in and out
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16:59:25perl|workmarkun ha, it only gets better
16:59:53*amiconn thinks working with such a powerful cpu is just boring
17:01:01markunamiconn: I'm glad there are rockbox targets with slower ARMs or we wouldn't see any optimizations
17:02:55preglowso there's something good about the ipods after all
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17:03:17GodEatersomeone should send amiconn a Karma - now *there's* a slow ARM
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17:03:57*amiconn looks at linuxstb, and mentions the Elio port
17:04:00*amiconn hides ;)
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17:05:17tchanIs it still true that what the rockbox-ipod wiki's say about ipod accessory support −− namely that nothing works yet? Like docking an ipod into a station that has speakers ?
17:05:36preglowtchan: correct, afaik
17:05:50preglowthe accessories are documented about as well as the main ipod hardware
17:05:52preglowthat is, not at all
17:05:53GodEaterI thought it they used simple line out they did work ?
17:06:02hcstchan: I know the bose sounddock my father has worked, probably just uses a line out
17:06:02preglowwell, sure
17:06:12preglowbut not if they use the port
17:06:46hcs(a line out on the bottom connector), and it was getting power, too
17:07:11tchanisn't the "port" the bottom apple connector ? And isn't that where line out comes from ?
17:07:11Juice^I loved the last post on sansa porting support :))
17:07:19tchanoops, I'm too slow typing
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17:07:32preglowwell, the line out probably works, but that's probably that too
17:07:38amiconnhcs: Power is enabled in rockbox afaik. But everything that uses serial communication doesn't work
17:07:39preglowwe don't need to do anything special to support that
17:08:05tchanokay, thanks
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17:08:19perl|workseriously, who uses ipod accessories?
17:08:32hcsamiconn: yeah, I'm familiar with that, it's just that any other way to connect the ipod for charging kicks in the usb reboot
17:09:04tchanwell I have a dock in my car. One of the reasons I wanted to get an ipod and then run rockbox on it for ogg/flac
17:09:08amiconnThat's a different thing
17:09:27amiconnWe don't detect usb properly, and mistake a charger for a real usb port
17:09:58hcsmmhmm, just pointing out that this device provides power but not usb
17:10:00amiconnSo rockbox thinks "usb" and reboots into diskmode, but diskmode sees no connection and reboots into rockbox etc
17:10:34linuxstbI need to see if barrywardell's USB test plugin can give us any clues about that.
17:11:37tchanare there any areas in the iPod todolist that newbies can work on ? Or does everything there need proprietary Apple specsheets ??
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17:12:03jackfusionHi all
17:12:06linuxstbtchan: Have you looked at the todo list?
17:12:38jackfusionHow do I stop my ipod from shuuting down on its own?
17:12:53jackfusionIt shuts down when I am reading on it.
17:13:30linuxstbYou mean it turns off?
17:13:53linuxstbSo you're in the text viewer?
17:13:58jackfusionit says hutting down.
17:14:04tchanlinuxstb: yes -> rolo, recording, cop usage, battery life, accessory support, dma, ata, usb, firewire all seem like one would need apple specsheets....
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17:15:41GodEaterother than supporting the 80GB - what else needs doing with ATA ?
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17:15:43linuxstbYes, but that's the challenge of the ipod port... The ATA optimisation I mention there just needs ARM assembler skills.
17:15:44amiconnlinuxstb: Would be very nice if we could also detect firewire
17:15:54amiconnI don't know where to get such a cable
17:15:54GodEaterah THAT bit of ATA ;)
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17:16:34hcsamiconn: if it'd be helpful I'd be glad to send you one
17:16:49hcsor someone else interested in working on it
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17:17:37amiconnhcs: I'd need a cable with the small firewire plug. My laptop has an appropriate socket
17:18:04tchanlinuxstb: I have some time, I wouldn't mind trying some ARM assembler, but its been a real loooong time since my assembler days. Is the ata optimisation task in svn somewhere ?
17:18:10hcsamiconn: I have one that I don't use, would you like it?
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17:18:23hcsoh, nvm, it is the large plug
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17:18:29hcsstill firewire,though
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17:19:41amiconnlinuxstb, jackfusion: This is a long-standing bug on all ipods. Using the wheel doesn't reset the user activity timer
17:19:50amiconnVery annoying in sudoku...
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17:20:50jackfusionhow would u reset the user activity timer?
17:21:35amiconnThat's in the rockbox code
17:21:47amiconnUsing buttons does reset the timer, but the wheel does not
17:21:56hcsdisconnecting the headphones doesn't reset it either, from what I can see, so when you have it set to pause on that and you haven't touched it in a while sometimes it'll turn off
17:21:58Mikachuwould it be expensive to call it on every touch event?
17:22:23amiconnSo rockbox "thinks" you're not actively using it when you only use the wheel, and shuts down after the set poweroff timeout
17:22:40Mikachuhcs: uh, that's sort of a feature i think? it's on pause andyou're not using it...
17:22:56Mikachuhcs: i almost always rely on that for shutting down
17:23:10jackfusionhow do I get rid of the timer
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17:23:44hcsyeah, but if you were listening to music and hit the pause button it'd be reset when you hit pause, when disconnecting the headphones it doesn't register interaction but does recognize idleness and shuts down near-immediately
17:24:00Mikachuah, you mean in that way
17:24:09hcs(at least this was my experience with an ipod a month or so ago)
17:24:37jackfusionor set the timer for a longer time
17:25:19amiconnAh, that's because the wheel code posts directly to the button queue, instead of returning a button value to button_tick()
17:25:45amiconnjackfusion: It's a bug in the code
17:25:52jackfusionoh ok
17:26:17hcsjackfusion: General Settings -> System -> Idle Poweroff -> Off if you want to totally disable that
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17:26:20amiconnThe wheel code needs to call reset_poweroff_timer() every time it posts a wheel event
17:27:28amiconnThat'd be in button-clickwheel.c and button-mini1g.c
17:27:47amiconnI'll fix that tonight if nobody beats me to it
17:28:10linuxstbamiconn: Would something like this suit you? - it gives you standard USB B and Firewire sockets.
17:28:16jackfusionthatnk u for ur help every one
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17:28:37hcsI find that whenever I do disable idle poweroff I wind up expecting it to work anyway and leave it paused, and the battery runs out
17:29:31jackfusionpretty much the only thing I do on my ipod is read.
17:29:54hcsI may be doing some profiling for the SPC player later today, for now off to class.
17:30:07jackfusiondose rockbox play videos?
17:30:10amiconnlinuxstb: I would still need a cable.
17:30:27amiconnI don't have any firewire capable equipment apart from the laptop and the ipod
17:30:29n1sjackfusion: see PluginMpegplayer in the wiki
17:30:43jackfusionok thank u
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17:37:41Mikachuamiconn: this should do it right?
17:38:04jackfusionHow can I use the orignal firmware with out getting rid of rockbox?
17:38:23DataGhostw1ll14m yes
17:38:43amiconnMikachu: Yes. Does it compile w/o warning?
17:39:09Febsjackfusion, if you have the most recent bootloader, you can boot the ipod firmware by turning the ipod on and then immediately switching the hold switch on.
17:39:17Mikachui'm compiling now
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17:39:53FebsTo tell if you have the most recent bootloader, turn the ipod on. If you see light text on a dark background, it's the new bootloader.
17:40:13FebsIf you see dark text on a light background as the player boots, you have the older bootloader.
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17:40:59amiconnFebs: Depends on the ipod.
17:41:14amiconnOn the greyscale ipods, you can't tell from the bootloader text
17:41:19Mikachuamiconn: the clickwheel one does, so i guess it's fairly safe to assume mini1g will too
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17:41:49Mikachuamiconn: they have the exact same #include's too
17:42:16amiconnlinuxstb: I can get an ipod->firewqire cable from amazon germany for 8 and a 6pin->4pin adapter for 2.90
17:43:14FebsFor some reason I thought he said he had a 5g, but perhaps I imagined that. Jackfusion, which ipod is it?
17:43:31FebsNever mind, he's gone.
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18:00:59sirixlancelothi. anyone there who is familiar with archos JBR v2?
18:02:27linuxstbBest to just ask your question and see.
18:04:03sirixlanceloti have the following problem: the player does not turn on (no reaction at all) and with power or USB connected it just goes click,click, click
18:04:25sirixlancelotbasically, the problem is exactly the same as described in
18:04:46sirixlancelotThere, it was a problem with the battery, but I cant figure out what to do...
18:06:22linuxstbCan you access the battery?
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18:10:56linuxdantehey all
18:11:01linuxdantesome question again
18:11:06linuxdantehow to load an ipod with rockbox on it?
18:11:23sirixlanceloti opened the recorder (including unsoldering the points, where the board is connected to the case)
18:11:47linuxdanteif i plug it into the normal power plug it keeps resetting itself, switching to the ipod firmware trying to get mounted and switching back to rockbox
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18:13:59sirixlancelot(i used the last time 2 days ago......since then it was connected to power and usb IIRC)
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18:17:08amiconnsirixlancelot: The information regadring batteries is also valid for recorder fm and v2
18:18:33sirixlancelotthx, i will check it
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18:19:37aarondblah rockbox on my nano wont play
18:19:52n1slinuxdante: see here
18:20:15linuxstb_aarond: Won't play what?
18:20:17aarondwork really sucked last night
18:20:45DataGhostw1ll14m I'm off for a bit, if you still need to speak me just PM so I won't miss it :)
18:21:04linuxstb_aarond: Describe what you are doing, and exactly what happens.
18:21:14aarondat first it was giving a codec error so I used my friends computer to install the latest, after that it would just sit and do nothing
18:22:46linuxdanten1s: thx lots
18:23:01aarondit looks like its going to play but it doesnt
18:24:24aarondmaybe I just need to do a fresh install? I just installed yesterday
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18:31:53linuxstbaarond: You could also try resetting your settings - turn the hold switch on immediately after you see the Rockbox bootloader (the screen with the white writing on a black background) appear when you start your ipod.
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18:34:28amiconnlinuxstb: Doesn't that boot the of?
18:34:54n1sit's all about timing
18:34:56linuxstbThe hold switch is checked at the very start of the bootloader.
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18:35:17linuxstbSo you have about a second or two before Rockbox loads.
18:35:36aarondit said cleared, then it wouldnt unlock
18:37:15aarondwow I connected it again and disconnected it and it started up with apple firmware and locked and wont unlock
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18:39:59aarondhow can you unlock an ipod?
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18:42:11linuxstbYou're saying the ipod thinks the hold switch is on, but it is off?
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18:43:04aarondyeah, I can only use my remote
18:43:11midgeyamiconn: i think i have a real solution this time (i hope you ignored my last attempt...)
18:44:16linuxdanteis there any button to turn backlight off/on?
18:45:39linuxstblinuxdante: Any button turns it on (or just touching the wheel), but there is no button to turn it off.
18:45:44aaronddarn this sucks
18:45:49linuxstbIt's turns off via a timeout.
18:46:15linuxstbaarond: Does holding MENU+SELECT work?
18:47:26sirixlancelothmm....i will resolder the board to the case now and hope it will work.....wasnt really much to do except to bend the battery contacts a bit...
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18:48:26aarondmaybe I just have to wait for it to shutdown
18:49:49linuxdantelinuxstb: ok then... thanks
18:49:57linuxstbaarond: Is it still under warranty?
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18:50:31aaronddont think so
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18:50:50aarondactually I have a replacement plan for best buy
18:51:40aarondI think when it starts back up it will be fine
18:52:11linuxstbYou can make it reboot by modifying the firmware partition from your PC.
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18:55:58aarondIm just going to wait :)
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18:58:57linuxstbaarond: Turn the backlight on and play music...
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19:02:27linuxstbI thought you said the remote worked?
19:03:23aarondyeah I can play and pause
19:03:44aarondand next and forward but there is only a podcast on it
19:04:15aarondits a griffin radio/remote
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19:16:19aarondhow long does it usually take? like an hour?
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19:23:01perl|workwhat a waste
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19:30:16rp-somehow the configure script doesn't work, i use cygwin and already built rockbox, but before you changed to svn
19:30:50rp-any idea?
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19:32:19sneakumsrp-: are you using ubuntu?
19:32:24sneakumsoh, cygwin, doh
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19:32:42sneakumsrp-: how about if you run it by doing "bash ../tools/configure"?
19:33:18sneakumsthat's pretty weird
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19:33:19rp-very strange
19:34:59pixelmarp-: which svn package so you have? (someone reported problems with configure - he had svn 1.3.1 and an upgrade to 1.4.2 helped
19:36:00rp-hm i use tortoiseSVN which is build against 1.4.2, but i will try the cygwin svn client
19:36:43pixelmaah tortoiseSVN was another story... there's an extra wiki page about it...
19:37:36pixelmamaybe you can find something here:
19:37:42LloreanFrom the pastebin it looks like a line ending issue.
19:37:57LloreanWhich would be the problem that tortoiseSVN causes with Cygwin
19:38:15LloreanYou can just set Cygwin to use windows style line endings and things should work from there.
19:38:22pixelmayes that reminded me of what petur described...
19:38:31rp-ah ok, i will try
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19:39:38rp-thank you, problem fixed
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19:42:14sirixlancelot@linuxstb/amiconn: i reassembled the JBR up to resoldering the board to the case...if i push the battery lid against the battery to try it, it ticks slower than before (hm..lets say 3 times in two seconds) and now the green led is flashing..
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19:43:25ogami1972hello all- am looking for any tips re: 4G Ipod/itrip- any one got it working without opening the itrip?
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19:59:05*leftright wonders where everyone is
19:59:13leftrightpetur ping
20:00:02*leftright helps himself to scotch while no-ones around
20:01:03leftrightanyone that is familiar with iriver's flashing procedure around ?
20:01:28leftrightand no i dont want to know how to do it :>
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20:02:19kubiixhi, anybody know if the frequency scaling bug on ipod photo is fixed ?
20:03:20dan_akubiix: Not yet
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20:07:01aarondI just want to unlock my ipod
20:09:06aaronddamn I think its hardware
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20:09:59Mikachuhave you tried unplugging the remote thing?
20:11:12aarondyeah Im sure Ive done it all, its screwed
20:11:18aarondIve never even locked it before
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20:11:52Lloreanaarond: What exactly do you mean by "locked"
20:11:54Lloreanleftright: Aye?
20:12:14aarondits on Hold
20:12:24aarondbuttons cant be used
20:12:32Lloreanaarond: Then flip the hold switch to the other direction...
20:12:45leftrightwould you mind proof reading the instructions for iriver flashing at specifically from, "Replacing the original firmware please
20:13:46aarondtoo bad that wont work
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20:14:13leftrightLlorean, i made some changes to wording and format
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20:15:01Lloreanaarond: Is red showing in the hold switch?
20:15:19aarondoh well, I'll try to find my best buy plan and hope I dont end up with a second gen nano because I have a otterbox case for this one
20:15:33sirixlancelotyeehaw...seems to be back to least i get a loading symbol now...
20:15:44aarondand I tried putting a second gen nano in it already and it wont fit
20:16:04aarondbut at least I would have gapless playback with apples firmware
20:16:19Lloreanleftright: Looks good to me. I've not done the process, but the instructions seem easy enough to follow and nothing seemed confusing.
20:16:45leftrightok thats fine, thank you
20:16:52Lloreanaarond: If you don't actually care about trying to resolve your problem, would you mind not just rambling on about nothing in the channel?
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20:21:27ogami1972well, if it hasn't worked yet (itrip) is anybody working on it that i might be able to help?
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20:22:06Lloreanogami1972: Nobody's working on it, but you could always start work.
20:23:04ogami1972am checking feature requests- i know nothing about how to go about it, but i will try...
20:24:17ogami1972ok- no dice- any developers who can point me towrds the first step?
20:28:34LloreanWell, what is known about the related hardware is documented in our and iPodLinux's wiki. If the iTrip needs to use the accessory protocol on later iPods, unfortunately there's not too much information. So the first step would be to try to figure out how to get the serial port working.
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20:32:59Nico_Pwow kdevelop is really impressive
20:33:13Nico_Panyone using it with rockbox ?
20:36:22ogami1972right Llorean - have read upon the forum posts,read the blog about modding itrip, and joined the developers mailing list. i don't even have a car, so i'll just use my nano when on the road w/ friends
20:37:47ogami1972( in my zeal i erased the firmware from my 4G, and then reloaded my music correctly, so booting apple no longer an option)
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20:41:53ogami1972just out of curiosity, and since no one else seems to be talking- i would like to ask: what percentage of rockbox users are linux users on their PC's?
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20:43:29sneakumsogami1972: i use linux on my powerbook, if that counts
20:44:55ogami1972mm-hmm...maybe it's a particular type of person that likes alt OS- btw Llorean , i waited until rockbox/ipodlinux were really being talked about, then bought an old ipod so icould play with it(in response to your forum poll)
20:47:44DataGhostogami1972 I actually use linux and windows at the same time
20:47:52DataGhosthowever I use linux a little bit more for servertasks
20:48:11DataGhosthmmm no that didn't come out right
20:48:24ogami1972(i'm not going to get in trouble for meta-discussing am i?) ;)
20:48:25DataGhostI use linux mainly for my servers
20:48:37DataGhostwindows for my desktops, however mixed with linux (but as secondary OS)
20:48:48DataGhostI don't know
20:48:55DataGhostI've only been around here for a couple of days.. :P
20:49:38ogami1972xp for "ableton live" only, everything else is linux (2 desktops, 1 laptop)
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20:50:13GaloisI use linux and windows in xen
20:51:02ogami1972I will leave now as i am no longer on topic ( i do that)- thanks to all developers- i have been using rockbox about 4 days now and couldn't be happier (until itrip works)
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20:51:44Nico_PGalois: is it possible to use USB devices in windows through xen ? (my H320 isn't recognised in linux but it is in winXP)
20:51:59spugit should be recognized in linux
20:52:13spugand if it's not, something is amiss :| what distro and kernel version are you running?
20:52:26GaloisI've never tried it myself
20:52:46Nico_Pspug: there are I/O errors which prevent it from ever being mounted
20:52:50GaloisI agree an H320 should obviously be recognized in linux. It might help to rmmod ehci-hcd
20:52:53Nico_Pi have kubuntu
20:53:08GaloisI've had versions of linux that failed to recognize my ipod
20:53:17spugthen it definitely should be recognized
20:53:27Galoisif you rmmod ehci-hcd, then it works again
20:53:34Galoisin fact, it works even if you rmmod and then modprobe ehci-hcd
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20:54:05Nico_Pthat sounds interesting, but i'll give you the exact error message i get in kern.log
20:54:09Galoisthe best solution would be to upgrade to a distro that works. I've never had problems with fedora core 5 or 6.
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20:56:12Nico_PBuffer I/O error on device sdc, logical block 152067
20:56:43Galoisis that all??
20:56:51Nico_Pthe device never shows up like others usually do and i can't mount it
20:57:03Nico_PGalois: not quite, i'll paste the rest
20:57:58Nico_Psd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sdc
20:58:02Nico_Psd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 0
20:58:03Nico_Psd 3:0:0:0: SCSI error: return code = 0x8000002
20:58:03Nico_Psdc: Current: sense key: Medium Error
20:58:03DBUGEnqueued KICK Nico_P
20:58:03Nico_P Additional sense: Unrecovered read error
20:58:03Nico_Pend_request: I/O error, dev sdc, sector 1216536
20:58:03***Alert Mode level 1
20:58:03Nico_PBuffer I/O error on device sdc, logical block 152067
20:58:20Nico_Pthen it goes on showing errors
20:58:52Nico_Pi did a lot of unsuccessful research on this
20:59:01sneakumswhat's the kernel version you're running?
20:59:07GaloisI was gonna ask, have you tried other distros
20:59:25Galoisbecause this kind of thing is highly dependent on the sub-sub-version of the kernel you're running
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20:59:30Nico_PGalois: no, i'm relatively new to linux
20:59:32sneakumshmm, both my h120 and my ipod works okay with 2.6.17
20:59:52Galoistry running rmmod ehci-hcd
20:59:58Galoisthen plugging in the H320 again
21:00:14Nico_Ponce it started working for a short time after i did some things like "chkdsk" in winxp
21:00:25Nico_PGalois: whay will it do ?
21:00:29Galoisit disables USB 2.0
21:00:44Nico_Phow do i reenable it after that ?
21:00:51Galoisreboot, or type modprobe ehci-hcd
21:01:42Nico_Pshouldn't i do modprobe -r (it syas that in the rmmod man) ?
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21:01:57GaloisI always did rmmod
21:02:36Nico_Pit works :d
21:02:45Galoisyeah, it's the same error as mine
21:02:46Nico_Perr no wait
21:03:24Nico_Pfalse joy there... another usb hard drive of mine popped up and i thought it was the h320
21:03:28Galoisif you can do "fdisk -l /dev/sdc" to list the partition table, then it works
21:03:39Galoisanyway, what's the error message?
21:04:58Nico_Pi'm waiting for it to either appear or print error messages
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21:06:12Nico_Pno luck, i still get the error messages and "fdisk -l /dev/sdc" doesn't work
21:06:51Nico_Pi think the main problem is the disk being damaged
21:06:51Galoisthe same ones
21:07:03Galoisif the disk is damaged then how does it work on windows
21:07:15Nico_Pno idea :-)
21:07:46Nico_Pbut i assume the I/O errors at precise logical blocks indicate HD damage... am i wring ?
21:07:56Nico_Por wrong maybe
21:08:04***Alert Mode OFF
21:09:31GaloisI wouldn't expect a known damaged disk to work in linux in any case
21:10:12Nico_Pno other ideas i could try ?
21:10:52Galoiseven if the disk is damaged, you should still be able to fdisk -l /dev/sdc
21:11:25w1ll14mnico_p: try dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sdc (it writes null data like a low-level format if you choose wrong disk everything will be erased)
21:11:31Nico_Pactually it works but prints nothing
21:11:34w1ll14mmaybe this fixes the disk
21:11:48Galoisuh, writing null data will destroy the contents of the disk
21:12:24Galoisif you're willing to destroy data on the disk, do: fdisk /dev/sdc
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21:13:05Galoisand make a new partition table
21:13:05w1ll14mGalois: if disk is damaged this 'can' fix the disk in some cases
21:13:05Nico_Pyeah i can try that
21:13:05Nico_Pwhat i'd need is to mark damaged sectors so they don't get used
21:13:14Galoisin linux, damaged sectors is a filesystem issue
21:13:27Galoisman 8 badblocks
21:13:28Nico_Pwhat do you mean ?
21:13:32w1ll14mwell try dd first i would say, after that use dosfstools to scan for bad sectors
21:14:00w1ll14mdisk will be empty, but clean :)
21:14:19w1ll14mthen you should restore stock firmware and reinstall rockbox
21:14:29Galoisyou can wipe your disk and check for bad blocks by doing: mkfs -c -t vfat /dev/sdc1
21:14:42Galoisbut you need to do the fdisk thing first in order to have a /dev/sdc1 or whatever
21:14:56GaloisI'm actually not sure if H320 uses /dev/sdc1 or /dev/sdc2 like ipod
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21:17:18w1ll14mgalois: it has atleast /dev/sdc1
21:17:18Galoismake sure your H320 is really on /dev/sdc, because it would suck to wipe out the wrong hard drive
21:17:18Nico_Pfdisk /dev/sdc prints "Incapable d'ouvrir /dev/sdc"
21:17:18w1ll14mtry dmesg | grep sdc
21:17:18w1ll14mwhats the output?
21:17:18Galoisare you running as root?
21:17:18Nico_Pthe output is all the errors i gave an example of above
21:17:18Nico_PGalois: tried both with and without sudo
21:17:37w1ll14mtry cat /proc/scsi/scsi
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21:18:04Nico_PAttached devices:
21:18:07Nico_PHost: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00
21:18:11Nico_P Vendor: ATA Model: FUJITSU MHV2120B Rev: 0000
21:18:16Nico_P Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 05
21:18:28Nico_PHost: scsi1 Channel: 00 Id: 01 Lun: 00
21:18:32Nico_P Vendor: HL-DT-ST Model: DVDRAM GMA-4082N Rev: HJ02
21:18:36Nico_P Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 05
21:18:39Nico_PHost: scsi4 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00
21:18:46Nico_P Vendor: HDS72808 Model: PFD212S2TLYVSE Rev: A21B
21:18:48Nico_P Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02
21:18:48Nico_PHost: scsi5 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00
21:18:48Nico_P Vendor: TOSHIBA Model: MK2004GAL Rev: JC10
21:18:48Nico_P Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02
21:18:49Nico_Pthe H320 would be the toshiba one
21:19:02w1ll14mok, it is recognized...
21:19:32w1ll14munplug the device and replug it into usb and do another dmesg
21:19:39w1ll14mbut then read the last lines
21:19:43w1ll14mwithout sdc
21:20:47Nico_Pyou mean without adding " | grep sdc" ?
21:20:53w1ll14mindeed..... ;)
21:21:27Nico_Pusb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3
21:21:31Nico_Pusb 1-2: configuration #2 chosen from 1 choice
21:21:35Nico_Pscsi6 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
21:21:39Nico_Pusb-storage: device found at 3
21:21:43Nico_Pusb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
21:21:47Nico_Pusb-storage: device scan complete
21:21:51Nico_P Vendor: TOSHIBA Model: MK2004GAL Rev: JC10
21:21:55Nico_P Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 00
21:21:59Nico_PSCSI device sdc: 39063024 512-byte hdwr sectors (20000 MB)
21:22:03Nico_Psdc: Write Protect is off
21:22:07Nico_Psdc: Mode Sense: 00 4a 00 00
21:22:11Nico_Psdc: assuming drive cache: write through
21:22:15Nico_PSCSI device sdc: 39063024 512-byte hdwr sectors (20000 MB)
21:22:19Nico_Psdc: Write Protect is off
21:22:31Nico_Psdc: Mode Sense: 00 4a 00 00
21:22:31Nico_Psdc: assuming drive cache: write through
21:22:31Nico_P sdc: sdc1
21:22:31***Alert Mode level 1
21:22:31Nico_Psd 6:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sdc
21:22:31***Alert Mode level 2
21:22:31Nico_Psd 6:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 0
21:22:45LloreanPlease don't paste large things to the channel
21:22:49w1ll14mnow retry dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sdc
21:22:51LloreanPastebins are much better for it, and don't flood the logs
21:22:56Nico_PLlorean: I'm sorry
21:24:32Galoisuh what the hell
21:24:33Nico_Pw1ll14m: it seems it didn't write anything
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21:24:37Galoisyou don't need to dd anymore
21:24:41Galoisyou have sdc1
21:24:55Galoisfdisk -l /dev/sdc should work
21:25:15Nico_Pstill doesn't
21:25:22perl|workNico_P hey
21:25:22Galoisit probably doesn't because you dd'd
21:25:23w1ll14mvery strange.....
21:25:32Galoisfdisk /dev/sdc
21:25:32perl|workwanted to try your patch last night
21:25:34Galoisand go at it
21:25:35Nico_PGalois: it didn't work before
21:25:49Galoisfrom the massive paste above, the kernel detects an sdc1
21:25:59Nico_PGalois: and fdisk still doesn't work
21:26:08perl|workNico_P unfortunately it broke the gigabeat target build
21:26:12w1ll14mnico_P: dd waits for the job to be finished if it works....
21:26:16Nico_Pperl|work: hi
21:26:45Nico_Pperl|work: what errors did you get ?
21:26:49w1ll14mwhat happens if you try dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sdc1
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21:27:13Nico_P0+0 enregistrements lus
21:27:13Nico_P0+0 enregistrements écrits
21:27:13Nico_P1 octet (1 o) copié, 2,2e-05 seconde, 0,0 kB/s
21:27:30GeekGamer42lo everyone
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21:27:32Nico_Phope this wasn't too long a paste ;)
21:27:52Nico_Pbasically it looks like it didn't do anything
21:27:57w1ll14mhmmm seems like it didn't worked....
21:28:24w1ll14mdo you get any output when you do dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sdc
21:28:33perl|workNico_P errors at firmware/export/id3.h and apps/gui/gwps-common.c
21:28:48perl|workbroke album art patch as well
21:29:06Nico_Pw1ll14m: the output i just pasted was that of "dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sdc"
21:29:24w1ll14mok, thats strange.....
21:29:24Nico_Pperl|work: by "broke" you mean it didn't apply cleanly ?
21:30:21Nico_Pperl|work: apply it on a clean build
21:30:33perl|workok will try
21:30:35w1ll14mnico_P: do you have another linux computer
21:30:39Galoisif you actually want to destroy data, replace /dev/null with /dev/zero
21:30:40Nico_Pit conflicts with the album art patch because it makes some changes in the same places
21:31:18Nico_Pw1ll14m: not here but i can get to one tomorrow... actually it would be solaris
21:31:41Galoisanother destructive operation you can attempt is: mkfs -c -t vfat /dev/sdc1
21:32:32***Alert Mode OFF
21:32:41GeekGamer42I'm haveing a playback issue with the Iriver H10 20Gb
21:33:15Nico_PGalois: i got an error with your command, i did mkfs.vfat -c /dev/sdc1 instead
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21:33:54Nico_Pnow it's running
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21:36:10amiconnw1ll14m: /dev/null isn't a source for a stream of \0 bytes, that would be /dev/zero
21:36:29CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
21:36:29*amiconn should read the complete backlog before commenting :/
21:38:03w1ll14mamiconn:ok my fault :) i've erase my disk that way ???
21:39:06Nico_Panyway thanks for the help
21:39:25Nico_P:)and to others that don't care about all this, sorry for the flooding ;
21:40:16Nico_Pwhile it runs, i'm going to make something to eat :) i'll keep you posted
21:40:27Nico_P(about the disk, not my food)
21:46:36GeekGamer42Anyone here be able to help me with Irvier H10?
21:47:21Soapamiconn: I can make you a FW ipod plug if it would help.
21:47:42ArathisGeekGamer42: what's the problem?
21:49:55GeekGamer42when i try to play any MP3 it loads the file to the play screen, but won't start the file.
21:49:57amiconnw1ll14m: If that worked, something in your system doesn't adhere to the standard. /dev/null should immediately return eof on a read: unlike /dev/zero:
21:50:31amiconndd if=/dev/null of=anythingyou want should transfer exactly 0 bytes
21:51:44Mikachu/dev/full also gives you zero bytes, but doesn't allow writing (zero does)
21:53:06ArathisGeekGamer42: Had the same problem one time. Don't remember how I fixed it though :-/ Perhaps you should try a reset by activating hold while booting
21:53:31GeekGamer42tired that, i ahve completly reinstalled rockbox on it
21:53:34GeekGamer42same issue
21:53:53Arathisremoved the old files before reinstalling?
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21:54:14Arathisnewest svn build?
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21:55:50LloreanGeekGamer42: When did you install, or last update, your bootloader?
21:55:54Arathisoh, I think it had something todo with disk poweroff activated, but I'm not sure
21:56:19ArathisLlorean: .. a thing I should have thought of
21:57:02GeekGamer42crap. i have to go to work
21:57:10GeekGamer42sorry guys, didnt realsie the time
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21:57:50LloreanNow I'll probably never know if I guessed right.
21:59:45Soapwas there much doubt, Llorean?
21:59:59SoapI oh so rarely hear doubt in your voice.
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22:01:09SoapMikachu: the Wheel resets inactivity patch you linked to earlier - what am I missing? I tap on the scroll wheel all the time to keep my iPod 5th gen from timing out / shutting off while walking through stores, etc.
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22:01:43Mikachui dunno, i haven't seen the bug
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22:02:15Mikachuactually i have, in mpegplayer
22:02:25GodEateraccording to amiconn the touches on the scrollwheel don't reset the idle timer
22:02:45Mikachuit's possible they do indirectly if you change the volume or move around in a menu
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22:03:31LloreanSoap: You'd be surprised how often there's a large amount of doubt on this end that I just try to cover up.
22:03:57LloreanI found early on that if I sound confident when telling someone to do something, or ask them questions like I already know the answer, it helps keep them from panicking about their "bricked" whatever.
22:04:24amiconnSome places seem to reset the poweroff timer indirectly, but definitely not all
22:04:28SoapMikachu: I'll see if I focus on not changing the volume if it shuts down.
22:04:31*amiconn greps the source
22:06:15ArathisWould it be possible to add ogg vorbis as a recording format or is encoding to slow?
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22:07:03LloreanArathis: I don't think anyone's tried to convert an encoder yet.
22:07:18LloreanAt the very least one could always record to a lossless format then transcode after on the player if they absolutely *had* to do it on-target.
22:07:27amiconnDoes a realtime ogg encoder even exist?
22:07:40Mikachuon an 80mhz cpu? i don't think so
22:08:05SoapAuoTV (or however it is spelled) encodes faster on my computer than LAME does, at similar bitrates.
22:08:38Soapbut I guess that is apples to oranges.
22:09:03amiconnlame doesn't aim at realtime encoding, it aims at quality
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22:09:59Nico_Pso no kdevelop users here ?
22:10:38DataGhostgod... lusers.. heh. I just asked someone why the heck he was using a router with his wifi-modem/router... He said it was because Windows asked him for 2 DNS-servers which couldn't be the same... lol
22:12:08Mikachuit was a while since i used windows, but i think it's fine to leave one blank?
22:13:11DataGhostbut apparently he didn't know that and bought a router :/
22:16:16*Genre9mp3 maybe hasn't all the knowledge in his head, but he can have it in his pocket now! :)
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22:17:15Genre9mp3Just loaded Wikipedia on my H340 and using it with the stardict plugin! :)
22:17:25Genre9mp3It's actually quite usable
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22:18:25amiconnSoap: I just tested it again. In case you want to verify, try the following:
22:19:14amiconn(1) Set idle poweroff to 1 minute. (2) Go to the file browser, and continually move your finger around the scroll wheel. Don't press any button
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22:19:37amiconnThe ipod will shutdown after one minute in spite of the continuous wheel events
22:21:14Soapnot happening
22:21:24Soapoops, spoke too soon
22:21:32Soapit shutoff as soon as I stopped.
22:21:41Soaplet me try again
22:21:58khalsahey guys, Just letting you know that on the main left-hand-side menu under the first heading "downloads" the item for SVN/CVS builds is not changed everywhere. On main Rb,org it says SVN builds, but when you click on releases, daily builds,Manual, Index, or IRC it reverts back to CVS
22:22:21khalsaall other links show the proper SVN builds
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22:22:57khalsasomeone here that can fix that.. or should I e-mail someone about it?
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22:23:41Lloreankhalsa: Bagder will hopefully see it in the logs, now that I've mentioned his name.
22:24:06Soapok, amiconn, I confirm. Let me try in exactly the way I (I think I) keep it "alive" in stores.
22:24:13perl|workLlorean did you like the new gigabeat splash?
22:24:25khalsaOk, Just thought I'd let you guys know! If I dont see it changed in 24 hrs i'll come in again!
22:24:33Lloreanperl|work: I don't have a gigabeat.
22:24:44LloreanI haven't seen it.
22:25:29amiconnSoap: Yes, sometimes the shutdown is delayed as long as you cause many wheel events in succession. However, the poweroff timer still isn't reset, and the ipod shuts down immediately after stopping the heavy wheel action
22:27:10Soapok, just confirmed it happen in the WPS also, which is where I pratice this technique. I must be changing volume "by accident" when I play this keep alive game.
22:27:24Lloreanperl|work: Not bad at all.
22:30:39perl|workis there a tool for average windows users to create raw files out of bmp by any chance? since we have this option of custom splashesh now
22:31:46Mikachuamiconn: the patch i posted probably only resets the timer when you scroll more than the delta, so just touching won't help
22:31:53perl|workbut that one is default that comes with bootloader now
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22:31:55Soapperl|work: you don't happen to have a larger-format .png do you?
22:32:18perl|workSoap i have original at home
22:32:37Soapperl|work: could I have a copy whenever?
22:33:06SoapMikachu: delta being 16 = 96/16 = 60 degrees?
22:33:14amiconnperl|work: bmp2rb
22:33:24Mikachui think the delta is 4 steps by default
22:33:42Mikachuie enough to move a step in the menu or change the volume
22:33:46perl|workbmp2rb exists outside of rockbox tools?
22:34:01perl|workSoap do you want any custom size?
22:34:14amiconnYou can compile it for windows
22:34:18Soapperl|work: whatever you have convient - larger than 320 wide. ;)
22:34:28Soap(or should I say at least 320 wide)
22:35:00amiconnIf you build any bitmap sim or target on cygwin, you have it automatically
22:36:00perl|workamiconn yes, but an average user doesnt compile but lets say would love to create a complete theme including the splash
22:36:08amiconnSo what?
22:36:23amiconnJust put bmp2rb.exe up for download somewhere
22:37:05amiconnYou might have to make sure it is compiled with -mno-cygwin to make it work without cygwin1.dll
22:38:05perl|workok, good
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22:41:52amiconnperl|work: Hmm, bmp2rb doesn't like to be compiled with -mno-cygwin
22:42:09amiconnbmp2rb.c: In function `generate_raw_file':
22:42:09amiconnbmp2rb.c:518: warning: passing arg 1 of `swab' makes pointer from integer without a cast
22:42:09amiconnbmp2rb.c:518: error: too few arguments to function `swab'
22:42:09DBUGEnqueued KICK amiconn
22:42:09amiconnbmp2rb.c:518: error: void value not ignored as it ought to be
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22:42:44amiconnWindows seems to define a different kind of swab() than posix
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22:44:21perl|workamiconn aha
22:44:41perl|workso are there any solutions about it? maybe some other soft can output it?
22:44:42linuxstb_amiconn: Are you running the latest version of bmp2rb.c ? I thought I removed the use of swab().
22:44:48amiconnIt used to work, but generate_raw_file() is new
22:44:55CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
22:44:55*amiconn svn ups
22:45:15linuxstb_I did a clean-up commit this morning.
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22:46:04amiconnYup, compiles now
22:46:54rp-can anyone tell me how the mpegplugin is working on ipod or another working target, are there some blocking effects?
22:47:18linuxstb_That depends on your source video and encoder.
22:47:28linuxstb_(and what bitrate you choose etc)
22:47:38Soaprp-: I saw some blocking artefacts last night when testing elephant's dream on my 5G
22:47:42rp-i downloaded the elephant sample file from twiki
22:47:54*amiconn now has a windows native bmp2rb
22:47:55Lloreanlinuxstb_: Do you think in LinusN's recent iPod bootloader change, maybe "Binary not Found" might be better than "File not found"?
22:48:10perl|workamiconn could you upload please
22:48:13LloreanOr even "Rockbox not found"?
22:48:22rp-cause i implemented the lcd_yuv_blit for the sansa and i have these issues
22:48:42linuxstb_Llorean: I think it displays the filename first.
22:49:05Lloreanlinuxstb_: Oh, right, should've scrolled down a wee bit.
22:49:07linuxstb_Something like Error! Can't load rockbox.ipod: (reason)
22:51:36perl|workamiconn thanks alot
22:52:00amiconnMikachu: I now have a version that resets the timeout even when the wheel is just touched
22:52:34amiconnTrivial, just doing the reset_poweroff_timer() call in a different place
22:53:06amiconn(directly after the backlight_on() call in the wheel handling)
22:53:07Soapin the tracker?
22:55:25linuxstb_rp: Try playing the video in a desktop movie player.
22:56:45linuxstb_rp: Do you automatically rotate the video when displaying it, in the same way as the Gigabeat?
22:57:37rp-i actually took the gigabeat code, because its also writing to a buffer
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22:57:55rp-on the desktop the movie looks ok
23:00:38rp-sadly i don't have any other target to compare the quality
23:00:54Bagderwhat, only _one_ target? ;-P
23:01:37rp-i'm a newbie :P
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23:03:33linuxstb_rp: Did you have to change mpegplayer to make it run on the Sansa? I didn't think it would work without an audio driver...
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23:04:07rp-no didn't change any other file, only lcd-e200.c
23:05:47rp-30 frames 128x128
23:07:17rp-but what could case this blocking effects? slow ata driver? cpu?
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23:07:32rp-or the lcd
23:07:34linuxstb_That seems much slower than the other portalplayer targets though... I guess the yuv_lcd_blit() has to do more work.
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23:07:54w1ll14mgonna sleep guys, cyou later :)
23:07:58amiconnrp-: I guess there's a bug in lcd_yuv_blit()
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23:08:17amiconnThese can cause all sorts of artifacts, from strange to funny
23:08:22l_rmy ipod can be rebootted
23:08:27rp-anyone tried mpegplugin on a gigabeat?
23:08:28l_rmy ipod CAN'T be rebootted
23:08:35perl|workrp- yes
23:08:40l_rthe keys do not work
23:08:42perl|workits great
23:08:44l_rdamn it
23:08:46perl|workto say the least
23:08:47linuxstb_l_r: Turn the hold switch off?
23:08:48l_rit's the second time
23:09:10l_rlinuxstb, it's off already
23:09:19rp-hm, then i will have a closer look to the code
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23:10:15Lloreanl_r: Turn it on, then off again, then hold Menu + Select for 30 seconds. Be very careful not to wiggle your fingers at all once you've pressed them down.
23:10:15perl|workrp- and the buffer is big enough to watch 1 music video hehe
23:10:57rp-was just a guess :)
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23:11:37rp-[23:07:35] <linuxstb_> That seems much slower than the other portalplayer targets though... I guess the yuv_lcd_blit() has to do more work. <−− i guess this is because the sansa has no COP patch
23:11:38LinusNgah! the fat driver is giving me a headache
23:11:58amiconnIt does? ;)
23:11:58ZagorLinusN: wassup?
23:12:06linuxstb_rp-: Ah, you're not using the COP patch? Try it - it should work fine.
23:12:23LinusNamiconn: yes, the direntry code is very 512-byte sector centric
23:12:31LinusNZagor: yo!
23:12:55Mikachusweden in the house
23:12:56LinusNZagor: av320 packed and ready
23:13:01rp-linuxstb: i just read the FS entry and thought it doesn't work on sansa yet, i will try it
23:13:09ZagorLinusN: excellent
23:13:15*Bagder does the swedish dance
23:13:33linuxstb_rp-: In theory it should work...
23:14:30l_rok done
23:14:34l_rit looks like it stopped before playing an .mpc
23:14:36l_rtoday i lost all my data
23:14:38l_rwithout reason
23:14:42l_ri unmounted the device , i disconnected it , i reboottted and i saw a message saying to restore the apple os
23:14:46l_rso, i took the rockbox docs, i tried to use the ipodpatcher, but it didn't write the bootloader
23:14:48l_rin the partition
23:14:50l_rdamn it
23:15:11***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:15:28LinusNthe #if MAX_SECTOR_SIZE > ATA_SECTOR_SIZE in disk_mount() is quite unnecessary
23:15:45amiconnIt saves binary size
23:15:54LinusNyes, a few bytes
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23:15:57amiconn..on all other targets than G5
23:16:56*linuxstb_ spots av320 talk...
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23:17:09jbahey gang
23:17:33jbais it safe to download cvs builds from the wiki now, or do I still need to build them at home?
23:17:57LloreanThat question confuses me.
23:18:29Mikachuthere is some issue with build system builds crashing on some targets i hear
23:18:32linuxstb_jba: Nothing has changed because we don't know the problem.
23:18:36perl|workMikachu true
23:18:37Zagoris our entire site referred to as "the wiki"?
23:18:52jbaZagor: perhaps i mislabeled it.
23:19:04LloreanYeah, "the wiki" thing was what was confusing me.
23:19:06Bagderis that problem in the daily builds or is it just specific build servers?
23:19:18perl|workBagder just the svn builds
23:19:24jbasorry Llorean that's what i have the home page bookmarked as
23:19:25perl|workdaily builds were always fine
23:19:25Zagorjba: i've seen it done by others. interesting. :)
23:19:27LloreanI couldn't tell if he was asking about builds (since those aren't CVS any more anyway) or something else entirely available on the wiki
23:19:40Bagderthen you could help us track which servers that produce badness
23:19:52jbaLlorean: i know they're svn builds, but the link still says "CVS"
23:19:53amiconnLinusN: udelay() in ata.c ???
23:20:03ZagorBagder: have you talked to Slasheri about his server?
23:20:06perl|worklike gigabeat svn builds are broken for more than a week now
23:20:08amiconnOnly PP targets have udelay()
23:20:09fasmaiejba: Not that it matters, but not any more
23:20:10BagderZagor: nope
23:20:15jbaBagder: how can I be of assistance
23:20:18kubiixhi, I would like to translate the new strings in langs (AGC stuff) - can anybody explain me the meaning of these strings ?
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23:20:48jbafasmaie: it seems it has changed yeah
23:20:48Bagderjba: when you've downloaded a bad image, you can check which server that built it by using the build log on
23:21:03jbawill try now and let you know
23:21:07Bagderand then we can fix the server or even disable arm builds on that until fixed
23:21:21Bagderas I believe this mentioned problem is only on gigabeat
23:21:43Bagderjba: great
23:21:45LloreanBagder: khalsa said that several of the links on various pages still need to be changed from "CVS" to "SVN" on the menu bar.
23:21:52Bagderthey do
23:22:06LloreanAlright, so long as you're aware.
23:22:09Bagderall of the ones generated on for example
23:22:10LinusNamiconn: ah, oops, perhaps i should #ifdef BOOTLOADER or something?
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23:22:18perl|workany ideas why only the gigabeat ones get broken?
23:22:23BagderI'm lagging behind of the fix-the-scripts department
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23:23:40amiconnLinusN: Perhaps, either that, or implement a bootloader sleep() that uses the PP microsecond timer without actually putting the cpu to sleep
23:24:26LinusNhmmm, i guess i'll use an #ifdef for now
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23:25:10jbajust happened again
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23:25:37jbaBuilt on in 18 seconds
23:25:46jbaBagder: does that help?
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23:25:54Bagderit does
23:25:55linuxstb_Isn't it just #define sleep(x) udelay((x)*1000000/HZ) ?
23:26:10jbagotta get back to work now
23:26:14jbasee yall later
23:26:14BagderZagor: indeed slasheri's...
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23:27:00amiconnlinuxstb: That'd be a minimal solution. We can do a bit better by yielding
23:27:11ZagorBagder: I say simply disable it until he/we can look at it closer
23:27:17Bagderslasheri runs arm-elf-gcc 4.0.3 it seems
23:27:28linuxstb_Do we need to yield in the bootloader though?
23:27:29BagderZagor: indeed
23:27:41l_rargh! it crash when playing .mpc's
23:28:08l_rwell, no
23:28:10amiconnAfaik the bootloader does threading, so it seems like a good idea to yield while waiting
23:28:13l_rnot this time
23:28:29ZagorBagder: perhaps we should run a test against the build logs to ensure all servers use the mandated compiler versions and such
23:28:49Bagderperhaps, but so far we haven't been that strict
23:28:53Bagderas long as they work...
23:28:54amiconnarm-elf-gcc 4.0.3 is the correct one
23:29:34Bagderoh, the build master runs 4.0.2
23:30:01Bagderand you run 4.0.3 on 64bit, right amiconn ?
23:30:10linuxstb_Do as I say, not as I do?
23:30:19Bagderthen it's not that combo that makes the problem
23:30:27ZagorI think rather his problem is bad svn updates. he still doesn't build blackjack on X5.
23:30:40Bagderah, yes
23:31:05amiconnCould also be a ccache problem (?)
23:31:08Bagderhow weird
23:31:15Bagderhe hasn't done the svn transition
23:31:28Zagorthe build log revision printout would help here
23:31:56Bagderthe funny thing is that on the other hosts svn failed "harder" so that it was detected
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23:35:08FebsBagder: Llorean pointed out yesterday that the link to the manual for the ipod mini on the manual daily builds page should read "iPod Mini" and not "iPod Mini 2nd Gen."
23:35:25FebsAs there is a single manual for both the 1g and 2g mini.
23:38:52FebsThank you.
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23:40:08LloreanHm, I thought the old debian image had ccache.
23:40:15LloreanWas #3 made from scratch or an update to #2?
23:40:31Bagderscorche did it, I thought he based it on #2
23:40:40LloreanMaybe I was wrong about the old one having it then
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23:40:56Lars_GQuick asshole question, what was the "disk mode" keystroke in an ipod? (4G)
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23:41:13linuxstb_Lars_G: SELECT+PLAY
23:41:21Lars_Gthank you
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23:43:26Lars_Glinuxstb: Are you allowed by law to be so helpfull?
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23:45:01linuxstb_It's part of my probation.
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23:45:55Nico_P19495112 bad blocks
23:45:55Nico_Pmkfs.vfat: failed whilst writing reserved sector
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23:46:09LloreanThat's... a lot of bad blocks.
23:46:25DerPapstlinuxstb: do you have tested the changes you have made to Loader 2?
23:46:30Mikachubad blocks bad blocks, whatcha gonna do when they corrupt you
23:46:33Nico_PLlorean: indeed
23:47:04Nico_Pthe strange thing is the H320 works under windows and rockbox works too
23:48:40Lars_Gyou're lucky, I'm trying to diagnose my boss' G4, and I think the hdd is utterly dead. zilch, gone
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23:54:16linuxstb__DerPapst: Only briefly, and only on one ipod. Are there problem?
23:54:39DerPapsti can't load rockbox om my 3G anymore
23:55:18linuxstb__Is that the latest Rockbox and latest loader2?
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23:56:09DerPapsti've compiled loader2 from source and rb is as up to date as possible
23:56:19drizztbsdhi, what is the state of ipod nano 2g?
23:56:28DerPapstnot working
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23:58:26linuxstb__Did loader2 work in the past?

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