| 00:03:37 | jhMikeS | hehe, dumb question, but when will the info be available about it? |
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| 00:04:18 | bluebrother | Bagder, any thoughts on this? It replaces the version string with the svn release number (unless there is a file docs/VERSION) http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/30 |
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| 00:04:48 | Zagor | bluebrother: I thought about that, but I don't think it's ideal. |
| 00:05:16 | bluebrother | so what would be better? Adding both? |
| 00:05:17 | Zagor | the revision is good, but it also makes it much more difficult to quickly see how old a build someone is running |
| 00:05:38 | Zagor | Both would probably be good, if a bit verbose. |
| 00:05:40 | bluebrother | use timestamp-release? |
| 00:06:40 | Zagor | something like "r12823 (2007-01-16 16:07)" is probably the most descriptive. quite long though |
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| 00:07:38 | Llorean | Do we need the Time or could we make do with just a date and revision #? |
| 00:07:49 | Zagor | Llorean: good point. date is probably enough. |
| 00:07:59 | Llorean | Once you're down to "today" it's mostly just a question of "Was it from before or after the fix" and if you know when the fix went in, you also know its revision. :) |
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| 00:13:47 | Soap | actually easier than time then, eh? |
| 00:14:05 | LithiumTR | Anybody got a 5.5G iPod that shuts down? |
| 00:14:23 | * | Soap hope they all do. ;) |
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| 00:15:59 | dewdude | evening fellow rockboxers |
| 00:16:09 | LithiumTR | Evening |
| 00:16:17 | LithiumTR | dewdude, can you supply me with Mountain Dew? |
| 00:16:32 | Soap | LithiumTR: do you mean yours shuts down unexpectedly? |
| 00:16:43 | dewdude | LithiumTR, sure. if you can wait 3 months, i'll have a fountain despensing system going |
| 00:17:11 | LithiumTR | Soap: tt shuts down when I hold play, as expected, but reboots (i.e. Apple logo, then loads the firmware) |
| 00:17:26 | LithiumTR | dewdude, three months? Can you give me an IOU for that? |
| 00:17:40 | dewdude | LithiumTR, sure, but i got plenty of ice cold cans in the soda machine |
| 00:18:04 | Soap | LithiumTR: "the firmware" being apple or rockbox? |
| 00:18:18 | LithiumTR | Soap, Rockbox, or Apple with the hold on |
| 00:18:46 | LithiumTR | dewdude, I live in the UK and we get no Mountain Dew over here :( |
| 00:19:09 | dewdude | Lithium: that's a shame. i just got a call from the local pepsi bottler..i convinced them to sell me fountain suryp |
| 00:19:28 | LithiumTR | dewdude, we could smuggle Mountain Dew |
| 00:19:56 | Soap | dewdude: have you ever boiled down the raw syrup on your stove to about 50%, chilled it, and used it as pancake syrup? |
| 00:20:17 | dewdude | no...but that sounds like a killer idea. |
| 00:20:33 | LithiumTR | Soap |
| 00:20:33 | LithiumTR | You are made of win |
| 00:20:33 | * | LithiumTR gives Soap internets |
| 00:20:33 | bluebrother | Zagor, updated: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/33 |
| 00:21:13 | Soap | LithiumTR: I'm not familiar with that, is it possible you are "bouncing" the play button and letting "menu" hit when you let go - I can't reproduce that behavior on my 5th gen w/o being drastic as heck. |
| 00:21:34 | preglow | jhMikeS: the paper, yes, and i read about it from the author, he posted on the musicdsp list |
| 00:21:37 | Soap | LithiumTR: do you have a case or film-protector on your touchpad? |
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| 00:22:10 | Zagor | bluebrother: looks ok to me |
| 00:22:10 | LithiumTR | Soap, I'm definately letting go of play when I see "shutdown", and I have a case but not covering the touchpad. The iPod has done this since new, this time last week. |
| 00:22:14 | preglow | jhMikeS: though it's limited to making a sawtooth wave. and when you've got one of those, you can make a square/pulse wave too |
| 00:22:32 | dewdude | LithiumTR, what gen? i missed part of the convo |
| 00:22:58 | jhMikeS | preglow: musicdsp list? |
| 00:23:06 | LithiumTR | dewdude, 5.5 gen |
| 00:23:17 | Bagder | bluebrother: then have tools/release use that svnversion.sh script as well |
| 00:23:29 | jhMikeS | preglow: sure, superimpose reversed sawtooths if that's what you mean. |
| 00:23:37 | dewdude | LithiumTR, is it doing this off battery or with a charger connected? |
| 00:23:53 | Alonea | ok, I cannot get the lastest SVN to work. I tried deleting my source code and regetting it and then putting in my album art patch, and it still wont work. |
| 00:24:10 | * | jhMikeS wonders if "superimposed" should be "add" :P |
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| 00:24:28 | LithiumTR | dewdude, does it with either. Rockbox & Apple firmware detect when I unplug it from USB. |
| 00:24:38 | dewdude | hrmm |
| 00:24:42 | Soap | LithiumTR: can you reproduce the behavior in stock firmware? (does Menu even turn on stock firmware?) I mean a long press of play to shutdown stock, and does it turn right back on when you let go of the button? |
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| 00:25:21 | dewdude | i don't think stock shuts down by holding play... |
| 00:25:32 | LithiumTR | Soap, stock won't shutdown |
| 00:25:34 | Soap | on my wife's Nano 2nd get it does. |
| 00:25:48 | Soap | I think, brb. |
| 00:25:51 | preglow | jhMikeS: yes |
| 00:25:59 | LithiumTR | I left it in stock for 36 hours, it did a shutdown and on turn on it loaded Rockbox, so it's shutting down from stock fine |
| 00:26:01 | preglow | jhMikeS: you seem to have picked up a lot of stuff in a pretty short time |
| 00:26:07 | dewdude | 36 hours? |
| 00:26:09 | dewdude | wow |
| 00:26:11 | Alonea | basically the screen goes a bit screwy and when I goto a folder with music, there are no files showing up at all. |
| 00:26:12 | dewdude | mine was stock for 20 minutes |
| 00:26:46 | LithiumTR | Economics lessons are far better with Doom |
| 00:27:22 | Soap | yes, confirmed, long play shutdowns my wife's ipod stock firmware. |
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| 00:27:32 | dewdude | 5.5 apple firm doesn't power down holding play...it'll turn the display off. |
| 00:27:38 | dewdude | but mine doesn't power down |
| 00:28:31 | Soap | well, that's what I mean, regardless, if his ipod doesn't do that in stock w/o comming "back on" when he releases the button it is a button failure, not a rockbox issue. That's what I'm trying to test at the moment. |
| 00:28:32 | dewdude | select/menu reboots |
| 00:28:41 | linuxdante | linuxstb: i installed rockbox from linux32_x86 on my ipod color, all after manual, but it crashes in about 8 of 10 boots |
| 00:29:11 | LithiumTR | Soap, I hold the button, it goes into sleep mode, I let go. I press the button, it comes back on. |
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| 00:29:23 | dewdude | that's normal for stock ipod |
| 00:29:27 | linuxstb | linuxdante: Did you read Soap's reply? |
| 00:29:44 | Soap | but you have to press the button? Not like in rockbox where it is comming back on w/o pressing the button? |
| 00:29:44 | linuxdante | long time ago? |
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| 00:30:00 | LithiumTR | Soap, I have to press the button to get out of sleep mode |
| 00:30:15 | linuxdante | well mine doesn't even boot |
| 00:30:16 | Soap | well, LithiumTR, there goes my "button bounce" theory. |
| 00:30:29 | linuxdante | it hangs at "rockbox loaded" and does nothing anymore. |
| 00:30:35 | linuxdante | some hd activity, but then, stops, nothing. |
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| 00:30:46 | dewdude | linuxdante, what gen ipod? |
| 00:31:16 | linuxdante | dewdude: photo −−> 4gen |
| 00:31:38 | linuxdante | took the files belonging to ipod color/photo, as it said there |
| 00:31:41 | Soap | linuxdante: the 4th generation ipod colour/photo often have problems with crashing, even crashes before fully booting. This is due to a known bug with frequency scaling, and is being investigated. Mikeage, in the "unsupported builds" forum has an unsupported build which addresses this issue, and will prevent you from crashing. |
| 00:32:01 | linuxdante | wow |
| 00:32:03 | Alonea | btw, I have a gigabeat. Anyone know anything at all about latest svn? |
| 00:32:07 | * | linuxstb has nothing to add to Soap's reply. |
| 00:32:08 | linuxdante | respect to you guys |
| 00:32:10 | linuxdante | rly good support |
| 00:32:13 | linuxdante | thx both |
| 00:32:13 | bluebrother | Bagder, I'm not sure how this tools/release is supposed to work. I can pipe the output of svnversion.sh to it, seems to work fine (except the date gets stripped). |
| 00:32:20 | jhMikeS | preglow: what needs the most work is my mathematical knowledge and ability. if you've got that you can work out your own methods. The appeal of blit is the simplicity and I think I can do it with simple sinetable look up at 16 bits. Perhaps increasing the precision when the angles are small is the best way. The lookup (linear interpolated) has the least precision when the angle is small but the blit requires it at that point. |
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| 00:32:23 | HellDragon2 | hey |
| 00:32:35 | bluebrother | I should go and grab some sleep now, will look into this futher tomorrow |
| 00:32:38 | LithiumTR | Howdy |
| 00:32:40 | Soap | actually he has two builds. One called "no scaling" which will work 100% of the time, but drasticly cuts battery life. Another named cpufreq3 or somesuch, which does not work for everybody, but does not cut battery life so dramaticly. |
| 00:32:44 | Bagder | bluebrother: run tools/release [date] in the source root and it creates the source tarball |
| 00:32:54 | linuxdante | ah ok |
| 00:32:55 | preglow | jhMikeS: last time i checked, it pretty much required good precision all over |
| 00:33:05 | linuxstb | linuxdante: If you can build Rockbox yourself, you can try the experimental patches yourself that Soap is referring to - they're on the patch tracker. |
| 00:33:15 | linuxdante | ah well ok then :) |
| 00:33:17 | * | Bagder goes to bed |
| 00:33:19 | preglow | not as much as full blown dsf, but it's always been very nazi on the sine precision for me |
| 00:33:20 | bluebrother | and [date] is just replaced? |
| 00:33:22 | linuxdante | i'll try the builds first. |
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| 00:33:38 | bluebrother | ah, lets shift this until tomorrow |
| 00:33:46 | dewdude | you know what drains battery like crazy? the dual-core builds for the 5.5 |
| 00:33:53 | LithiumTR | Soap, any suggestions? |
| 00:34:11 | linuxstb | dewdude: Llorean reported increased runtime with the dual-core build on his Nano... |
| 00:34:19 | Soap | LithiumTR: assuming you have exhausted the forum search options, I have no more ideas. |
| 00:34:33 | dewdude | linuxstb: possibly. i've never actually calculated. |
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| 00:34:45 | jhMikeS | preglow: the sinc function has not much amplitude for large angles so only a fraction of the bits are required. using error feedback helps clean it up a lot too. |
| 00:34:46 | dewdude | i'm just going by percentage usage |
| 00:35:02 | Soap | dewdude: I don't like any reports of battery life w/o full tests being run. Anicdotal evidence is very often wrong. |
| 00:35:32 | LithiumTR | Soap, thanks for the help, I'll post you a pony |
| 00:36:26 | dewdude | yeah. i wasn't saying take my word for it. i just casually noticed. actually...i've not noticed any extra power drain..i've been turning it on and off a lot rather than just letting it play |
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| 00:37:30 | n1s | Llorean: The forums still have the old "CVS builds" link on the sidebar. |
| 00:37:30 | dewdude | i do know the Tune Juice 9v adapter is about useless..after 20 minutes it acts like you're constantly plugging and unplugging it...which makes rockbox pause. |
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| 00:38:40 | kG^nemesis | hey gusy |
| 00:38:43 | kG^nemesis | hey guys |
| 00:38:49 | kG^nemesis | i need help with rockbox |
| 00:38:52 | kG^nemesis | for iriver |
| 00:39:00 | kG^nemesis | H320 |
| 00:39:04 | kG^nemesis | anyone can help? |
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| 00:39:37 | Alonea | might help if you state your problem dear |
| 00:39:38 | Soap | dewdude: is that a device which lets you charge your ipod from a standard drug-store battery? |
| 00:39:39 | kG^nemesis | anyone? |
| 00:39:47 | preglow | jhMikeS: 'fraid you're waaay past the point at which i would have stopped bothering :) |
| 00:39:50 | Soap | kG^nemesis: we wou |
| 00:39:52 | Soap | kG^nemesis: appreciate |
| 00:39:53 | dewdude | Soap: yeah. |
| 00:39:55 | * | jhMikeS should correct himself and say "not much amplitude for large angles when harmonics are many" |
| 00:39:57 | kG^nemesis | ?¿?¿ |
| 00:39:58 | Soap | kG^nemesis: if you put more text per line |
| 00:40:02 | dewdude | i mostly bought it for the dock connector |
| 00:40:17 | kG^nemesis | oh ok, i srry let me state the problem |
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| 00:40:33 | Soap | and use full words, not all of us are native speakers of english. |
| 00:40:34 | preglow | jhMikeS: sure am looking forward to seeing the result, though |
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| 00:40:52 | dewdude | Soap, i speak native english and i don't even understand what he's saying |
| 00:41:15 | kG^nemesis | I have successfully loaded the rockbox software, and I need help installing a new theme. |
| 00:41:21 | jhMikeS | preglow: I don't stop bothering easily. :) You'll only see the result if I succeed or else I'm gonna shove it under the rug. |
| 00:41:47 | n1s | :-) |
| 00:41:47 | kG^nemesis | Could you give me some sites where I can download iriver H320 rockbox themes? |
| 00:42:00 | dewdude | kG^nemesis, did you check the forum or wiki? |
| 00:42:01 | kG^nemesis | And also help me to install them? |
| 00:42:03 | linuxdante | in themes section of the rockbox page? |
| 00:42:04 | kG^nemesis | Yes |
| 00:42:15 | kG^nemesis | but i am confused about where to go/ |
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| 00:42:19 | dewdude | kG^nemesis, everything you need/want to know is more than likely on the wiki or forum |
| 00:42:36 | linuxdante | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery |
| 00:42:37 | n1s | simply unzip them to the correct place |
| 00:42:38 | linuxdante | tried this? |
| 00:43:07 | linuxdante | is rockbox supposed to read the ipod music files too? not right? |
| 00:43:15 | kG^nemesis | yes, but i will take a closer look at this |
| 00:43:15 | preglow | jhMikeS: i stop bothering way too easily :/ |
| 00:43:17 | n1s | define ipod music file |
| 00:44:02 | n1s | but most likely the answer is: "use the database" |
| 00:44:10 | dewdude | let me guess...fairplay protected aac files purchased from the itunes store |
| 00:44:13 | linuxstb | linuxdante: It can play all formats the ipod can apart from encrypted files or audible audiobooks. |
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| 00:44:24 | linuxdante | ok |
| 00:44:39 | Soap | kG^nemesis: go to the wiki, "WpsGallery" page, then the page for your player. |
| 00:44:40 | dewdude | aac support on the ipod is broken..isn't it? |
| 00:44:56 | dewdude | or is it just too cpu intensive |
| 00:45:30 | linuxstb | I don't know, I only have one (128kbps) AAC file. |
| 00:45:38 | linuxstb | Which has always worked fine. |
| 00:45:46 | Soap | kG^nemesis: the themes are .zip files you extract onto your player. IF they were made correctly you extract them to the root of your player, but not all are, you should look at the contents of the .zip file for the WPS, and look at the directory structure inside your ".rockbox" folder, and extracting what to where should be obvious. |
| 00:46:06 | kG^nemesis | alright thank you. |
| 00:47:14 | preglow | jhMikeS: but anywho, i'll agree with you it's a fascinating field, been dabbling in stuff like that for about six-seven years now |
| 00:47:40 | kG^nemesis | There is one theme i am interested in, but it says that i need to download a new version of rockbox. the theme is jBlackGlass. Is this theme compatible with the iRiver H320? |
| 00:49:05 | Soap | yes, but not with a "stock" build. |
| 00:49:22 | Soap | it requires experimental features which are not part of standard rockbox. |
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| 00:49:58 | linuxdante | Zip file contains −−−−> .wps | Folder | .cfg Place the .wps and folder, into the "wps" folder in the ".rockbox" folder Place the .cfg file, into the "themes" folder in the ".rockbox" folder Now press "A-B" and go to "Browse Themes", select the file and Hey Presto |
| 00:49:59 | linuxdante | very clear instruction. |
| 00:50:06 | kG^nemesis | For me? |
| 00:50:10 | jhMikeS | preglow: indeed it is hence the obsessiveness and the excuse to get my math head in order |
| 00:50:16 | linuxdante | no, i don't understand :) |
| 00:50:47 | kG^nemesis | alright, What are the experimental features that I need in order to install it? |
| 00:50:51 | preglow | it all started that fateful day i found out what a filter was... |
| 00:50:57 | kG^nemesis | (for soap) |
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| 00:51:44 | * | n1s copies rescent theme zip instructions and saves them so I'll just have to do a bit of ctrl-c ctrl-p in the future ;-) |
| 00:51:57 | Soap | kG^nemesis: if you are serious about wanting experimental features, I'm not going to go into them here - I suggest you get more familiar with rockbox, so you know what you are asking. |
| 00:52:10 | voltagex | is there any way to pass the build type via command line? I'd like to automate a build of H300 rockbox |
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| 00:52:50 | n1s | voltagex: pass to what, configure? |
| 00:53:17 | voltagex | nls: yes |
| 00:53:22 | voltagex | oos n1s |
| 00:53:30 | linuxdante | omg rockbox kicks ass |
| 00:53:42 | kG^nemesis | i knwo |
| 00:53:45 | kG^nemesis | but |
| 00:53:48 | linuxdante | i absolutely need a build which is not battery-eating but works on ipod. |
| 00:53:49 | linuxdante | ^^ |
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| 00:54:00 | kG^nemesis | soap, what program do i need to open a gz file? |
| 00:54:08 | linuxdante | tar.gz? |
| 00:54:09 | linuxdante | tar |
| 00:54:11 | kG^nemesis | could i use winrar? |
| 00:54:16 | linuxdante | possibly |
| 00:54:18 | kG^nemesis | yeah |
| 00:54:18 | n1s | voltagex: I don't know how to do it but it's possible, I suggest you catch Bagder in about 8 hours :-) |
| 00:54:20 | voltagex | kG^nemesis: that would work |
| 00:54:30 | Soap | 7zip for the win. |
| 00:54:33 | voltagex | n1s: changed one line in the configure |
| 00:54:36 | kG^nemesis | Alright |
| 00:54:43 | linuxstb | voltagex: Do something like: (echo h300 ; echo N) | ../tools/configure |
| 00:54:59 | voltagex | linuxstb: I've changed the line that takes input |
| 00:55:49 | linuxstb | Why? |
| 00:56:07 | voltagex | linuxstb: before I saw your code |
| 00:56:10 | voltagex | thanks, works fine |
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| 00:57:07 | kG^nemesis | What is the device that is most used with rockbox? |
| 00:58:14 | n1s | kG^nemesis: My guess would be some sort of ipod, based on the number of install questions we get |
| 00:58:36 | linuxdante | what about video playback? |
| 00:58:38 | linuxdante | to come? |
| 00:58:42 | linuxdante | (just wondering) |
| 00:58:58 | linuxdante | (i already decided i'll completely move to rockbox and not use applefirmware anymore) |
| 00:59:00 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 00:59:10 | linuxdante | LOL i read that myself today. |
| 00:59:16 | linuxdante | i beg your pardon for my ignorance. |
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| 01:00:10 | voltagex | Do you think there'll be 25fps playback on H300? |
| 01:00:17 | n1s | no |
| 01:00:33 | n1s | at least not fullascreen |
| 01:01:45 | linuxdante | rockbox even ownz ipodlinux |
| 01:01:58 | Soap | at 176x96, there is already claims of 26 fps. |
| 01:02:42 | voltagex | k |
| 01:02:54 | voltagex | Soap: probably with the asm patch |
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| 01:03:47 | voltagex | which doesn't currently work |
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| 01:06:07 | Soap | if the patch doesn't work, how did people report FPS using the patch? |
| 01:06:57 | petur | it used to work before somebody snatched some iram |
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| 01:07:30 | linuxstb | I could remove audio playback if you wanted... |
| 01:07:42 | Soap | ahh |
| 01:07:42 | Llorean | n1s: That's because someone changed the main website while I wasn't looking. I was all prepared to do it days ago. :-P |
| 01:07:42 | voltagex | linuxstb: lol |
| 01:08:07 | voltagex | linuxstb: mass storage device support using the second usb port |
| 01:08:16 | voltagex | then I can plug in a gig of memory |
| 01:08:19 | Soap | judging my much of the current influx, I fear a vote might fall in favor of mpeg over audio playback. |
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| 01:08:30 | n1s | possibly reducin audio bitrate could yield some speedup, the test videos use 192 kbit iirc... |
| 01:09:09 | Llorean | n1s: And it's fixed, the forums now say SVN |
| 01:09:38 | n1s | Llorean: nice :-) |
| 01:09:54 | Llorean | Easy change, it just happened while I wasn't looking. :) |
| 01:09:59 | voltagex | players like the Gigabeat have a much faster processor, there's no benchmark for the Gigabeat, wondering if it gets 25fps |
| 01:09:59 | linuxstb | n1s: They are 170kbps LAME VBR MP3. |
| 01:10:20 | linuxstb | It gets about 29fps full-screen, and about 39fps for 16:9. |
| 01:10:28 | voltagex | wow |
| 01:10:31 | Soap | wiki says 28@320x240 on gigabeat |
| 01:10:31 | voltagex | I want one |
| 01:10:31 | n1s | right, still using 128 would be faster? |
| 01:11:25 | Soap | what is the volume of a single platter Gigabeat compared to a single platter 5th gen ipod? |
| 01:11:38 | kG^nemesis | trying to download theme from http://solutions-i.org/julius/rockbox/themes/ |
| 01:11:52 | kG^nemesis | and it says that i have to pick my model number |
| 01:11:54 | Soap | kG^nemesis: those themes won't work with a stock rockbox. |
| 01:12:12 | Llorean | kG^nemesis: Complain to the maintainer of the site if it's confusing for you. |
| 01:12:12 | kG^nemesis | i understand |
| 01:12:24 | Soap | kG^nemesis: and we don't support themes from outside... Llorean beat me. |
| 01:12:39 | kG^nemesis | alright |
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| 01:15:02 | Llorean | linuxstb_: My battery life increase was only about 5% though, but either way, that at least strongly suggests it doesn't greatly *increase* battery usage. |
| 01:15:57 | secleinteer | why do the changelogs show no changes to the rockbox code in the last week or so for the ipod photo and video? |
| 01:15:57 | Soap | I'll run a battery bench on it as soon as I have a day where I don't want it with me. |
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| 01:16:32 | n1s | secleinteer: which changelogs |
| 01:16:36 | Llorean | secleinteer: Because the vast majority of work affect multiple or all targets? |
| 01:17:09 | n1s | Or maybe on one changed anything? |
| 01:17:15 | secleinteer | n1s: http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=ipodcolor |
| 01:17:23 | n1s | *no one |
| 01:17:27 | Soap | the changelogs in the daily build pages were blank last time I looked. |
| 01:17:41 | secleinteer | Llorean: there were 6 to 7 changes a day for each until about a week ago |
| 01:17:53 | n1s | yep, seems the script is broken |
| 01:17:58 | Llorean | secleinteer: And about a week ago we moved to SVN. |
| 01:18:03 | secleinteer | kk |
| 01:18:15 | Llorean | I thought you were referring to the *working* changelog on the front page, where very few changes actually make mention of the iPod |
| 01:18:18 | Soap | which, secleinteer, is when they changed from CVS to SVN to track changes, and all the script bugs are still being worked out. |
| 01:18:40 | Soap | Blackjack! :p |
| 01:18:56 | n1s | Well, we'll see if Bagder reads the logs and sees this, and fixes it when he has time.... |
| 01:18:59 | Llorean | Soap: An 16-bit LCD optimization is buried on the recent list too |
| 01:19:08 | secleinteer | soap: does that mean i go to svn builds to get my downloads instead? |
| 01:19:14 | Soap | Llorean: ahh, that wasn't just for gigabeat? |
| 01:19:24 | Nico_P | JdGordon: you there ? |
| 01:19:44 | n1s | secleinteer: the daily builds are fine |
| 01:19:57 | secleinteer | n1s: kk thx for the help |
| 01:19:57 | Llorean | Soap: I don't know. It might be, I didn't look at the exact change. |
| 01:20:09 | Soap | I just saw who did it, and ASSumend gigabeat. |
| 01:20:28 | Llorean | Soap: Yeah, it looks like it's gigabeat only |
| 01:20:32 | Llorean | Ah well |
| 01:20:40 | Llorean | But there was an ipodpatcher change recently! |
| 01:20:42 | Llorean | printf! |
| 01:20:49 | Soap | we got the memcopy tweak! |
| 01:20:53 | Llorean | There was that. |
| 01:20:55 | Llorean | I hear that was nice. |
| 01:21:04 | Llorean | My Nano's been gathering dust this last week |
| 01:21:15 | debauched_sloth | I have discussed with Amiconn, he has suggested that I move that optimization from GB to all targets |
| 01:21:29 | n1s | yay, faster something! |
| 01:21:44 | Soap | I have a strong suspicion that will be the largest single-boost to battery runtime in quite a while. |
| 01:22:11 | Soap | lol n1s (not like I know what it will speed up either) |
| 01:22:17 | linuxstb | debauched_sloth: Looking at your bmp2rb change, you seem to ignore the endianness of the host. |
| 01:22:29 | debauched_sloth | the optimization I refer to is a simple blit optimization, nothing that should be a big deal |
| 01:23:16 | kG^nemesis | How would you install a WPS? |
| 01:23:32 | debauched_sloth | linuxstb: I have, but there is -f 5, which is byte swapped the other way |
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| 01:23:47 | n1s | kG^nemesis: have you tried the manual? |
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| 01:23:47 | Soap | in Soviet Russia, a WPS.... |
| 01:24:10 | n1s | :-D |
| 01:24:31 | kG^nemesis | Laughing Out Loud no |
| 01:25:03 | linuxstb | debauched_sloth: That's a bit obscure, and may not be the case for different 16-bit formats. Also, your <= 8 bit output looks broken for big-endian hosts. |
| 01:25:58 | n1s | kG^nemesis: unzip the .wps file to your .rockbox/wps dir and any pictures to a subfolder of that folder with the same name as the .wps file |
| 01:27:14 | debauched_sloth | Obscure, yes, no doubt. But anyone on such a host would be aware of it. <8 tracks the C output code, I think. |
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| 01:28:13 | debauched_sloth | if not, linuxstb, should be fixed, of course |
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| 01:28:35 | linuxstb | debauched_sloth: Why would Mac users (for example) be aware of the need to use the wrong -f format? |
| 01:29:17 | debauched_sloth | linuxstb: the point is to write a device specific raw bitmap format. Not to save all mac users. |
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| 01:30:06 | linuxstb | So you think running the same program on two different machines should need different options? |
| 01:30:13 | Llorean | The point is for the tool to work reliably and consistently across platforms, so that a user can sit down at any computer and use it in the same way. |
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| 01:30:34 | debauched_sloth | Ah, I get your point, yes, that is machine dependant |
| 01:30:38 | debauched_sloth | and should not be |
| 01:30:43 | linuxstb | My suggested solution is that there should be two raw formats - one for big-endian targets, one for little-endian targets. |
| 01:31:03 | debauched_sloth | Yes |
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| 01:31:44 | linuxstb | Easiest way is to write a byte at a time to the file, and use (x&0xff) and (x>>8) to get the high and low bytes. |
| 01:32:34 | debauched_sloth | so what do we add, -b for byte order, to the options? |
| 01:32:59 | debauched_sloth | or assume all targets are the same? |
| 01:33:39 | Soap | (is this about lcd.c?) |
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| 01:33:52 | debauched_sloth | no, this is about bmp2rb.c |
| 01:33:56 | linuxstb | Maybe -rbe and -rle for raw big-endian and raw little-endian.... |
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| 01:34:30 | debauched_sloth | hmm |
| 01:34:34 | linuxstb | Or just document that -r outputs little-endian data.... |
| 01:34:35 | debauched_sloth | ok |
| 01:34:50 | linuxstb | (and make sure it does on any host) |
| 01:35:08 | debauched_sloth | yah, that's the kicker |
| 01:35:17 | linuxstb | I'm not sure the raw format will be used elsewhere... |
| 01:35:39 | debauched_sloth | yes |
| 01:37:36 | voltagex | will rockbox run on ths? http://cgi.ebay.com.au/40GB-TOSHIBA-GIGABEAT-MEG-F40S-COLOR-MP3-PHOTO-PLAYER_W0QQitemZ170071622098QQihZ007QQcategoryZ109847QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
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| 01:38:07 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
| 01:38:12 | Mouser_X | That's the F40. |
| 01:38:14 | voltagex | good good |
| 01:38:18 | Mouser_X | Or, so it looks... |
| 01:38:24 | voltagex | wonder why it's so cheap though |
| 01:38:30 | kG^nemesis | need help with installing themes,once they are downloaded to desktop |
| 01:38:35 | Llorean | voltagex: I can fix that. |
| 01:38:39 | * | Llorean goes to drive up the bid. |
| 01:38:42 | linuxstb | People haven't discovered Rockbox yet... |
| 01:38:44 | voltagex | nooooooooooooooooo |
| 01:38:49 | linuxstb | Do they ship to Europe? |
| 01:38:56 | kG^nemesis | i know what would help rockbox be discovered |
| 01:39:02 | Llorean | I've been looking for a fairly cheap gigabeat. |
| 01:39:02 | Soap | uhh, something goofy is happening. mpegplayer is reporting 54fps on a video where it is clearly sub 20 |
| 01:39:15 | kG^nemesis | If there was a better manual that could be understood by the average user. |
| 01:39:18 | * | voltagex shouldn't have pasted that here |
| 01:39:30 | Mouser_X | No, probably not. |
| 01:39:34 | Llorean | kG^nemesis: If the average users actually made suggestions for improvements rather than simply saying it wasn't good, maybe we could improve it. |
| 01:39:40 | Mouser_X | I already have a TGB though, so I'm good. |
| 01:39:44 | kG^nemesis | Very true. |
| 01:40:01 | Llorean | We've written it to where we think it's good, so now we need actual constructive feedback for it to improve. |
| 01:40:19 | kG^nemesis | There was an article on Popular Science Magazine, that showed how to use rockbox to "unleash" your multi codec jukebox |
| 01:40:28 | debauched_sloth | ah, constructive feedback |
| 01:40:31 | Soap | it showed that? |
| 01:40:42 | kG^nemesis | I need help installing a new theme for my H320 running rockbox. |
| 01:40:46 | kG^nemesis | Yep |
| 01:40:56 | Soap | Llorean: we need to make the manual more like the PopSci article! |
| 01:41:04 | Llorean | kG^nemesis: The article in PopSci was somewhat disappointing |
| 01:41:11 | kG^nemesis | POpular Science showed a little tutorial + i agree with llorian |
| 01:41:12 | Llorean | It was very positive, but I had some issues regarding the details... |
| 01:41:13 | kG^nemesis | Yes it was |
| 01:41:25 | linuxstb | I liked the way it said Rockbox could play movies, and the article was probably written when there was no sound in mpegplayer. Not that it's much better now... |
| 01:41:34 | Llorean | kG^nemesis: Installing a theme just requires that you extract it into the root of the player, as long as the person created it properly |
| 01:42:15 | kG^nemesis | Llorean: i just have to extract the theme where the .rockbox folder is? |
| 01:42:48 | Llorean | kG^nemesis: The theme should include a .rockbox folder of its own, with folders in it, containing all the files. If you extract it straight onto your device, the folders should overlap and be in the right place. |
| 01:42:54 | linuxstb | kG^nemesis: Look inside the theme .zip file, and then look inside your .rockbox folder, and it should be obvious what to do. |
| 01:43:04 | kG^nemesis | ok, thank you |
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| 01:52:46 | kG^nemesis | lLorean: I have replace the .rockbox folder with the new .rockbox folder with the theme and nothing has happened |
| 01:52:57 | | Part voltagex |
| 01:53:17 | Llorean | Did you then browse themes and load it? |
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| 01:56:30 | housethegrate | can someone answer a question regarding the iaudio x5l? |
| 01:56:43 | Mouser_X | Only if you ask it first. |
| 01:56:58 | Mouser_X | Unfortunatly, our mind-readers are out for the day. |
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| 01:57:12 | Mikachu | or maybe he wants us to pick an arbitrary question and answer it |
| 01:57:21 | Mouser_X | Oh! |
| 01:57:24 | Mouser_X | I can do that. |
| 01:57:26 | Mikachu | no, it is smaller than a loaf of bread |
| 01:57:28 | Llorean | Yes, the x5L has more battery capacity than the X5! |
| 01:57:30 | housethegrate | thanks for the friendly welcome |
| 01:57:34 | Mikachu | :) |
| 01:57:36 | kG^nemesis | No i didnt |
| 01:57:45 | Llorean | kG^nemesis: It is strongly suggested that you invest a little time into reading the manual that you have complained about. At least the fact that you need to do that should become clear from it. |
| 01:57:46 | housethegrate | anyways, there's no mention of which bootloader to use for the x5l |
| 01:57:56 | housethegrate | it only mentions the x5 and the x5v |
| 01:57:58 | Llorean | housethegrate: You use the x5 bootloader. The L just has a different battery. |
| 01:57:59 | Mouser_X | "Yes, it takes 8 minutes for the light from the sun to reach the Earth." |
| 01:58:05 | housethegrate | cool thanks |
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| 01:58:10 | Llorean | Mouser_X: He did specify that it related to the x5L |
| 01:58:24 | Mikachu | the x5l is on the eatrh |
| 01:58:26 | Mikachu | most likely |
| 01:58:30 | Llorean | But, no guarantee. |
| 01:58:39 | Noah0504 | If I enable the Last.fm log, how do I acutally get the songs uploaded to Last.fm? |
| 01:58:41 | Llorean | If you put it in the right sort of box, it may not even exist. |
| 01:58:48 | Mikachu | well, the us did invent that gun that can shoot small objects out of grav pull |
| 01:58:52 | Llorean | Noah0504: I believe there's a perl script floating around somewhere that does it. |
| 01:58:57 | Mikachu | but i don't think they put any x5ls in it yet |
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| 01:59:10 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Would they tell you if they did? |
| 01:59:13 | Noah0504 | Llorean: Thanks, I'll try Google for a little help. |
| 01:59:25 | Mouser_X | lol |
| 01:59:42 | Mikachu | Noah0504: there's a gui program qtscrobbler, i only saw it when skimming though |
| 01:59:54 | Mikachu | linuxstb: wouldn't you? |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:02 | Soap | Noah0504: for windows (and the .net 2.0 framework)there is a GUI application, which not only is easier than the perl script, it also fails much more gracefully. |
| 02:00:12 | Noah0504 | Mikachu: I'll give it a look. It might be helpful to mention I'm on Linux. |
| 02:00:22 | Noah0504 | Soap: haha |
| 02:00:24 | Soap | LogScrobbler is the GUI one that uses .net |
| 02:00:24 | Mikachu | it might |
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| 02:00:38 | Llorean | Soap: I like the fact that "fails more gracefully" is somehow a selling point, rather than a question of how often either one fails that someone should judge them based on that. :) |
| 02:00:44 | Mikachu | the name qtscrobbler suggests it works on linux but you never know |
| 02:00:45 | Soap | no, I wasn't joking, the perl one fails ugly. If it fails you lose your log. |
| 02:01:02 | Mikachu | why would it even have code to remove your log? |
| 02:01:11 | Soap | and the last.fm servers are often busy enough to time-out. |
| 02:01:27 | Soap | Mikachu: it clears your log so you don't submit the same tracks twice. |
| 02:01:41 | Soap | it is a requirement of all last.fm submitting plugins. |
| 02:01:53 | Soap | "spam" in their eyes is a mortal sin. |
| 02:02:15 | Mikachu | but it submits the timestamps as well, how hard would it be to filter duplicates? |
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| 02:02:37 | Mikachu | telling people not to break them is not a good way to ensure they don't break :) |
| 02:02:39 | Soap | 500 million submissions a day. |
| 02:02:42 | Llorean | Mikachu: Filtering duplicates means more work for them. Clearing logs means more work for plugin creators. |
| 02:02:45 | Soap | they don't like spam. |
| 02:03:10 | Mouser_X | Oh yah? |
| 02:03:18 | Mikachu | comparing two timestamps can't be that much work, if they're sorted by date in their database |
| 02:03:23 | Mouser_X | Well... Well... I don't like them! |
| 02:03:31 | Mikachu | they don't even need to compare titles, you can't hear two songs at the same time anyway |
| 02:03:31 | Mouser_X | :P |
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| 02:03:38 | Noah0504 | Here is something that I found... http://www.paulstead.com/scrob/ |
| 02:03:53 | Noah0504 | It's a web interface. |
| 02:04:02 | Mikachu | looks like a password harvester to me :P |
| 02:04:06 | Noah0504 | haha |
| 02:04:16 | Soap | Noah0504: if you are comfortable posting your last.fm password to somebodys's web site, be my guest. |
| 02:04:17 | Noah0504 | Damn, good thing you said something... I have to wonder now... |
| 02:04:40 | Mikachu | the site looks friendly enough though |
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| 02:05:19 | Noah0504 | Yeah. It would be nice if he had the code somewhere. Then I could just run it from my site. |
| 02:05:23 | Soap | Problem #2 with the perl script is even if you save a backup of your .log file, you need to edit it if the script fails (as it often does) mid-way. Resubmitting the log w/o first clearing out the tracks which DID successfully make it will cause yet another error. |
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| 02:06:03 | Mikachu | i don't see why you would want to upload anything to their site in the first place |
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| 02:06:29 | kG^nemesis | I am sorry to trouble you all with my pestilence. I am aware that the manual is 145 pages long for the iriver H3xx models. Could you tell me which sections and pages to read to figure out how to change the wps and the theme. |
| 02:06:44 | Soap | whose site Mikachu? |
| 02:06:51 | Mikachu | i meant last.fm |
| 02:06:52 | Llorean | kG^nemesis: Have you tried searching for the word "theme"? |
| 02:07:02 | Llorean | kG^nemesis: Or perhaps simply looking at the table of contents. |
| 02:07:07 | Soap | Mikachu: it is an amazing way to discover new music. It simply works. |
| 02:07:22 | Llorean | I did tell you that you need to "Browse Themes", that option actually shows up in the main Rockbox menu, I believe. |
| 02:07:22 | Mikachu | new music that is also good? |
| 02:07:27 | Soap | yes |
| 02:07:36 | Soap | if you listen to mainstream radio, it's not for you. |
| 02:07:43 | Mikachu | haven't for a couple of years |
| 02:07:51 | Mikachu | this is just a fluke |
| 02:07:52 | * | Mikachu is listening to Atomic Kitten - It's OK (0:46 / 3:18) |
| 02:07:53 | Soap | if you don't - and need a way to explore new music it is the best thing going IMHO. |
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| 02:08:17 | kG^nemesis | Llorean: as soon as i start rockbox it goes to a screen with MAIN, Record and rockbox |
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| 02:08:41 | Llorean | kG^nemesis: Yes, that's the filetree. |
| 02:08:59 | kG^nemesis | Llorean:how do i get to the main menu? |
| 02:09:09 | Llorean | kG^nemesis: I take it you haven't read the manual *at all*? |
| 02:09:11 | Mikachu | try pressing a button |
| 02:09:33 | kG^nemesis | sorry |
| 02:09:34 | kG^nemesis | i have it now |
| 02:09:35 | kG^nemesis | Laughing Out Loud |
| 02:09:35 | * | Mikachu doesn't have an h3xx |
| 02:09:44 | kG^nemesis | ill try reading the manual from now on |
| 02:09:48 | kG^nemesis | thanx for the help |
| 02:09:57 | kG^nemesis | its just that the manual seems so intimidating |
| 02:10:31 | Llorean | How is one set of words on a screen any more or less intimidating than another? |
| 02:10:36 | Llorean | Especially since those have screenshots? |
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| 02:11:44 | kG^nemesis | Llorean: being a student, i dont have time to read 145 pages of pdf and (as much as it may humor you) am scared of large amounts of text |
| 02:11:59 | kG^nemesis | its not too intimidating |
| 02:12:23 | Noah0504 | http://lastfm.dave.cd/cache.php |
| 02:12:25 | Noah0504 | Here is another one. |
| 02:12:34 | Mikachu | kG^nemesis: we don't have time to answer the same question to 100 people when it's written in the manual... |
| 02:12:35 | Llorean | kG^nemesis: It has a table of contents, and can be searched. You're hardly expected to read through the entirety of it in one sitting or anything. |
| 02:12:48 | kG^nemesis | lol, understood. |
| 02:12:55 | Llorean | But we wrote down thing so that we don't get asked how to use themes by every single one of the many thousands of Rockbox users. |
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| 02:13:28 | Llorean | I mean our forum alone has 8000 registered members. I'm actually kinda curious what kind of installed base Rockbox has. |
| 02:13:55 | Mikachu | how many are on rashers map now? *checks* |
| 02:14:09 | Mikachu | 2770 rockbox users. |
| 02:14:19 | kG^nemesis | Ok i am sorry, and i will ask for help once i have checked the manual. or i have a question regarding technical specifications |
| 02:15:54 | tsuyoshi | huh.. if students don't have time to read, then who does? |
| 02:16:24 | Llorean | tsuyoshi: Usually students have plenty of other things to read as it is. |
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| 02:16:40 | Llorean | But one really shouldn't be dabbling in alternative firmwares without the time to actually properly learn how to use it. |
| 02:17:49 | Soap | if you have time to read a newsstand rag like pop-sci, you have time to read Pynchon. |
| 02:18:23 | Soap | (IMHO) |
| 02:20:07 | Mikachu | i should go to bed, i have quantum mechanics tomorrow :P |
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| 02:25:30 | Mikachu | you can continue talking if you want though |
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| 02:28:08 | safetydan | preglow, I'll look in to it. And since I'm lazy, I'll just nab the one from those astroinfo sources |
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| 02:32:58 | gotthardt | im compiling and getting lots of these: warning: pointer targets in assignment differ in signedness for the gcc 4.0.2 in cygwin env |
| 02:33:23 | gotthardt | i didnt before - had to do a fresh install - whatsup with that? |
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| 02:35:14 | Noah0504 | So, what's coming up on the list of feature for Rockbox? Any developers around? |
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| 02:38:32 | gotthardt | nvm - i did make veryclean and deleted Makefile and reconfigured - ok now... |
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| 02:39:42 | safetydan | Noah0504, it doesn't really work like that. There's no plan with features to tick off when completed. |
| 02:39:57 | Noah0504 | I see. |
| 02:40:47 | Noah0504 | So how does development work? I assume each device has somewhat of its own development. |
| 02:40:59 | Llorean | safetydan: Sure there is, I've been ticking on features for months. You guys are just so well organized I rarely need to "remind" you in the right direction. :-P |
| 02:41:24 | Llorean | Noah0504: Actually, most of the development goes into stuff that affects all devices. |
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| 02:41:33 | linuxstb | Noah0504: In the early days of a port, yes. But most of Rockbox works the same on all devices. |
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| 02:41:38 | Noah0504 | Huh, interesting. |
| 02:41:52 | Llorean | For example, if someone were to come up with an interesting DSP filter, it'd probably affect all targets (except maybe the archoses) immediately. |
| 02:42:26 | safetydan | Cue sheet support might be a better example. That should work on all targets if/when it's comitted. |
| 02:42:36 | Llorean | Yup |
| 02:42:42 | Noah0504 | Cool, cool. |
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| 02:47:31 | sujdik | is there any tool to manage the rockbox system by the PC?... like playlist editing and stuff... |
| 02:47:48 | Llorean | sujdik: They're just M3U playlists. |
| 02:48:01 | Llorean | Pretty much any program that has playlisting can edit them. |
| 02:48:22 | JdGordon | linuxstb: do you know if int is 32 bits on all targets? |
| 02:48:30 | Mouser_X | I use Winamp. |
| 02:49:40 | safetydan | JdGordon, if you care there's always the int32_t and uint32_t types |
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| 02:49:54 | safetydan | care about the number of bits that is |
| 02:50:26 | JdGordon | ok, ta |
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| 02:51:02 | sujdik | Llorean well it was an example... but i mean... control the whole system... browse & set themes, adjust the eqs... that kind of thing |
| 02:51:17 | sujdik | including the playlists |
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| 02:52:10 | Llorean | sujdik: You mean, like remotely control it? |
| 02:52:18 | sujdik | yeah |
| 02:52:24 | Llorean | Not from a PC, no. |
| 02:52:53 | sujdik | =P ok thx |
| 02:52:57 | Soap | sujdik: all that kind of thing is controled by the .cfg files, which are plain text. It wouldn't be hard to write a simple program to write the .cfg for you on the pc side. |
| 02:53:15 | Soap | even a .bat file which asked you questions. |
| 02:54:02 | sujdik | well I didn't find the config files |
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| 02:55:11 | safetydan | sujdik, unless you've saved one using the Manage Settings menu, there won't be one on your dap |
| 02:56:25 | sujdik | so where my settings are? =P |
| 02:56:37 | Xomphos | I hate to sound pushy, but could someone please take a look at this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8258.0 |
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| 02:58:02 | Xomphos | my irc client is acting really, really slow, so I don't hink that i will be able to see your messages, so if you could please reply in my thread http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8258.0 |
| 02:58:17 | Xomphos | Thank-You!!! :D |
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| 02:59:42 | * | Llorean replied. |
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| 03:05:28 | HellDragon2 | lol |
| 03:06:34 | DerPapst_ | maybe someone wants to delete that post? it is absolutely unrelated :-/ http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7738.msg64464#msg64464 |
| 03:06:50 | dewdude | o_O |
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| 03:07:21 | dewdude | aren't there people you can contact about that..like forum admins |
| 03:07:25 | Llorean | DerPapst_: I think leaving it and my response in there *might* ward off it happening in the future. |
| 03:07:48 | DerPapst_ | ok then :) |
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| 03:07:55 | Plouj | hi |
| 03:08:02 | Llorean | Otherwise it'll be gone, and someone else will think it's a valid question again in the future. |
| 03:08:19 | DerPapst_ | dewdude: there are and most of them are here ;) |
| 03:08:24 | Plouj | is there any way to monitor rockbox releases other than rockbox-cvs? |
| 03:08:45 | Llorean | Plouj: What do you mean by "releases"? |
| 03:09:18 | Plouj | heh |
| 03:09:29 | Llorean | No, I mean, what are you wanting to monitor? |
| 03:09:31 | dewdude | DerPapst_, touché |
| 03:09:44 | Plouj | I'm not sure anymore |
| 03:10:03 | Plouj | well, I guess I wanted to know when stable versions come uout |
| 03:10:04 | Plouj | out* |
| 03:10:10 | Llorean | Very rarely |
| 03:10:22 | Plouj | and daily builds are daily, so meh |
| 03:11:03 | safetydan | Plouj, if there's a stable release of rockbox made it'll will be on the front page of the site |
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| 03:11:21 | Llorean | It'll very much be on the front page. |
| 03:11:37 | DerPapst_ | daily builds are fine. if something doesn't work it may work next day ;) |
| 03:11:38 | Plouj | well, if there were more frequent releases |
| 03:11:43 | Plouj | I'd like an RSS feed |
| 03:11:49 | Plouj | rather than having to check the frontpage all the time |
| 03:11:55 | dewdude | Plouj, there are *daily* releases |
| 03:12:08 | Plouj | dewdude: I konw |
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| 03:12:17 | dewdude | why would you want RSS for a daily event |
| 03:12:23 | Plouj | I don't |
| 03:12:38 | Llorean | Plouj: "Stable" versions don't even happen necessarily yearly |
| 03:12:44 | safetydan | Plouj, stable release happen maybe once every year or so |
| 03:12:54 | DerPapst_ | he means for svn check-ins |
| 03:12:56 | safetydan | darn, curse these slow fingers |
| 03:13:21 | Llorean | DerPapst_: Nah, he made mention of rockbox-cvs which is the mailing list for CVS checkins, unless he just got the name dead on accidentally |
| 03:13:22 | safetydan | DerPapst, if that's the case, then the rockbox-cvs mailing list is the best bet |
| 03:13:43 | Llorean | Though I use the RSS feed for it. |
| 03:14:01 | Llorean | Which works rather well after the SVN change, except for the timestamp always being at 12:00AM |
| 03:14:14 | DerPapst_ | hehe |
| 03:14:24 | Plouj | Llorean: you use RSS for svn changes? |
| 03:14:29 | Llorean | Plouj: Aye |
| 03:14:31 | Plouj | link? |
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| 03:15:33 | Llorean | Plouj: http://rss.gmane.org/gmane.comp.systems.archos.rockbox.cvs |
| 03:15:53 | Plouj | heh |
| 03:15:57 | Plouj | cvs=svn? |
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| 03:16:13 | hey | hello |
| 03:16:26 | Llorean | Plouj: Aye, there wasn't much sense in renaming it really. |
| 03:16:39 | hey | does rockbox's databse (tagcahe) read FLAC release date fields correctly? |
| 03:16:39 | Plouj | alright |
| 03:16:44 | Plouj | that's good enough for me, Llorean, thanks |
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| 03:16:57 | Llorean | hey: "Release Date" is not a supported tag, no. |
| 03:17:05 | hey | My FLAC comment for a song under the "Date Field" says 1996-11-30 |
| 03:17:23 | Llorean | But "Date" would be, or should be. |
| 03:17:28 | hey | will rockbox recognize that and put the song as soemthing udner the year 1996 |
| 03:17:31 | hey | ? |
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| 03:17:45 | safetydan | hey, no, no it won't |
| 03:17:48 | Llorean | hey: Why not use a proper "Year" tag, like normal? |
| 03:18:03 | hey | BEcuase musicbrainze automatically does that though |
| 03:18:06 | hey | I eman |
| 03:18:12 | hey | it only adds the release date tag |
| 03:18:18 | hey | I'll ahve to manually add year |
| 03:18:21 | hey | thanks for hellp |
| 03:18:46 | hey | it's just I'm tagging multiple albums |
| 03:19:04 | safetydan | There's a problem with how dates are parsed from Ogg streams. They're basically not. I'm assuming FLAC metadata is the same or similar. |
| 03:19:36 | Llorean | safetydan: Yeah, FLAC is vorbis comment as well |
| 03:19:38 | dewdude | hey: they make programs that will help you do it faster. |
| 03:19:54 | dewdude | tag & rename comes to mind if you're running windows |
| 03:20:01 | hey | automaticlly parse the date field? |
| 03:20:10 | dewdude | sure |
| 03:20:17 | dewdude | tag and rename even pulls from FreeDB |
| 03:20:27 | hey | that's lone thign I dislike bout falc |
| 03:20:30 | hey | hard to tag well |
| 03:20:38 | dewdude | nah, not with the right software |
| 03:20:41 | safetydan | Llorean, it would actually be that hard for Rockbox to parse the date string if only we could guarantee that it was YYYY-MM-DD format |
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| 03:20:58 | dewdude | it puts the Year in the proper place. |
| 03:20:58 | hey | safetydan, you mean not that ahrd? |
| 03:21:04 | dewdude | it even pulls that from FreeDB |
| 03:21:09 | Llorean | safetydan: *If* you could guarantee that, I suppose. |
| 03:21:23 | hey | its standard notation I believe |
| 03:21:36 | Llorean | I suppose you could assume that. |
| 03:21:38 | dewdude | not everyone follows standards when it comes to music |
| 03:21:38 | hey | so why not use the date field if year is not available |
| 03:21:46 | dewdude | year is available. |
| 03:21:47 | Llorean | And just not show anything if it didn't match. |
| 03:21:52 | dewdude | my flacs have it. |
| 03:21:53 | safetydan | hey, yes most people do use that format, but there's nothing about the ogg metadata spec that says it has to be that format |
| 03:22:39 | hey | how do i tell if I have flac comments or vorbis comments? |
| 03:22:41 | safetydan | It could be, for exampe, 'On the third phase of the second lunar cycle AD 2007' and still be a valid date tag for vorbis |
| 03:23:01 | hey | so put checks in place |
| 03:23:14 | safetydan | hey, submit a patch with those checks :) |
| 03:23:18 | hey | if format "xxxx-aa-bb" exists then use xxxx |
| 03:23:25 | safetydan | I don't use the database so it doesn't affect me |
| 03:23:32 | hey | alright whatever |
| 03:23:36 | hey | nopt too important |
| 03:23:46 | hey | I'll jsut submit FS |
| 03:23:57 | dewdude | yeah, i don't either. i even took the album title off my WPS screen |
| 03:24:02 | hcs | June-15-06 |
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| 03:24:52 | afruff23 | put check that xxxx is numerical |
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| 03:26:16 | dewdude | or...look for a number larger than say...1900 somewhere in field |
| 03:26:24 | dewdude | or |
| 03:26:30 | afruff23 | how do I tell if my FLAC file ahs ogg comemnt or flac comment? |
| 03:26:32 | dewdude | no..that won't work..cuz if someone does 06... |
| 03:26:38 | Llorean | afruff23: There is no "flac comment" |
| 03:27:09 | afruff23 | dewdue, I don't understand |
| 03:27:32 | dewdude | afruff: it's not important. i found the fault with the idea. |
| 03:27:50 | afruff23 | that's what I dpn't get, your example wouldn't break it |
| 03:27:57 | dewdude | well |
| 03:28:05 | dewdude | if everyone used 4-digit year, it'd work perfect |
| 03:28:25 | dewdude | but not everyone uses 4 digit...i'm guilty of that small habit |
| 03:28:36 | afruff23 | so, for those people it won't work |
| 03:28:42 | afruff23 | it won't break anything though |
| 03:28:56 | dewdude | no. although, generally, all my file tags are done with software that does 4 digit |
| 03:29:04 | dewdude | ...but they also have a spefici "year" tag. |
| 03:30:19 | sneakums | vorbis tags are free-form, you can name them anything you like. |
| 03:30:34 | safetydan | afruff23, the more work that you make the metadata parser do, the slower database updates will get. So you can't really get too clever. |
| 03:30:34 | sneakums | the closest thing to a standard set of tags is those proposed by xiph.org, see http://xiph.org/vorbis/doc/v-comment.html |
| 03:30:59 | safetydan | I'd look at doing something like "if the first four charaters are numeric, treat them as the year, otherwise ignore it" |
| 03:31:17 | safetydan | which could be as simple as "int year = atoi(tag_value);" |
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| 03:31:51 | dewdude | safetydan, if you're looking at 4 digit numerics...why not just have it locate any number over 1900 |
| 03:32:05 | dewdude | that way, someone could go 12-1985-25 |
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| 03:32:14 | Llorean | dewdude: And symphonies composed in prior centuries? |
| 03:32:20 | afruff23 | safetydan, that's what I've been saying |
| 03:32:24 | dewdude | ok...1000 then. |
| 03:32:40 | hcs | they weren't recorded in prior centuries |
| 03:32:40 | afruff23 | greek music? |
| 03:32:46 | Llorean | dewdude: And what if I have a spoken word of an epic greek poem? |
| 03:32:49 | dewdude | look....i use the actual CD release date as year |
| 03:32:53 | dewdude | not the year of original composition |
| 03:32:55 | afruff23 | so it goes udner that year |
| 03:33:01 | afruff23 | what's the problem? |
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| 03:33:52 | dewdude | so if i've got a spoken word CD of greek mythology..it's labeled by the year the CD was made. |
| 03:34:01 | Llorean | But not everyone will do so. |
| 03:34:17 | sneakums | i think all of the date tags i've encountered that are not just the year have used an iso-style date, such as 2005-09-19 |
| 03:34:25 | Llorean | I say, assume YYYY-MM-DD, and if the string doesn't fit that, throw it out, and then just state in the manual somewhere that's what's expected. |
| 03:34:50 | dewdude | ...why not let the user program thier own format in using variables |
| 03:34:57 | afruff23 | if 0<=date[1-4]<=9 then year=date[1-4] |
| 03:35:18 | afruff23 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6546 |
| 03:35:42 | afruff23 | dewdude, a bit too com;icated |
| 03:35:44 | dewdude | make it default to YYYY-MM-DD...but if a user wanted, they could go with MM-DD-YYYY by changing the variables |
| 03:35:47 | * | dewdude shrugs |
| 03:35:59 | dewdude | i just don't see where locking the users to a specific format is all too friendly |
| 03:36:06 | afruff23 | not to mention it's encouraging non-standard formats |
| 03:36:10 | Soap | Anyone not using release year in the date field, regardless of format, has issues. |
| 03:36:43 | afruff23 | soap, I agree |
| 03:36:43 | Soap | anyone using two digit dates after the y2k bruhaha also has issues. |
| 03:36:54 | sneakums | for reissues i tend to use the year of the original release, and note the year of reissue in a comment, but in general i agree with you |
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| 03:37:19 | dewdude | i do the exact oppsite...put the original release year in the comment |
| 03:37:23 | Llorean | dewdude: Expecting an ISO standard format isn't terribly unfriendly. |
| 03:37:24 | Soap | reissue date is metametadata, and should not be used as a replacement for original release year. |
| 03:37:36 | dewdude | i also intened to organize every CD in a database, but gave up |
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| 03:37:47 | Soap | a reissue is a subset of a release, and a modifier of the album title, not of the release year. |
| 03:38:06 | Soap | sorry for the off topic. |
| 03:38:06 | dewdude | Soap: so you're saying i've got to go back and change ALL my classical to the original relase dates, rather than the year they were recorded. |
| 03:38:24 | Llorean | dewdude: Nobody said YOU have to do anything |
| 03:38:43 | sneakums | you can keep recipes in your date tags, if you want. |
| 03:38:46 | sneakums | short ones, anyway. |
| 03:39:17 | ruins | Anyone having issues with the database initialization for release 17Jan 2007? |
| 03:39:35 | Soap | dewdude: classical is more complex. Here is how I do it. John Adams - 1994 - Chamber Symphony & Grand Pianola Music (1993 Nonesuch) |
| 03:39:55 | ruins | Anyone having issues with database initialization? |
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| 03:40:10 | dewdude | Llorean, i know..i'm just picking a side on a subject i really don't care about...but i mean..a lot of the reason people use rockbox is because of the customization it has...so why not extend that customization into date formats |
| 03:40:12 | Llorean | ruins: You asked the same question twice in less than a minute. |
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| 03:40:19 | Soap | with recording year being a subtitle to album title. To argue that recording year is more significant than release year when tagging albums I find backwards. |
| 03:40:32 | dewdude | put the ISO by default..and encourage it's use..but, it'd be nice for someone to have the ability to modify it |
| 03:40:49 | Llorean | dewdude: Because making the metadata parser customizable doesn't solve the problem of "What if different files follow different formats" and at the same time adds unnecessary bloat. |
| 03:40:49 | sneakums | someone does, that is why source code is available. |
| 03:41:02 | dewdude | ...true. |
| 03:41:04 | ruins | Sorry about that Llorean, laggy internet connection |
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| 03:50:58 | ruins | Are there any limits on database size, in terms of the number of songs or albums, for H3xx? |
| 03:51:32 | ruins | I can initialize the db with around 800 songs or so, but above 2000, it hangs. |
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| 03:57:05 | afruff23 | anybody know how to parse the release date using fb2k |
| 03:57:21 | afruff23 | Iw ant to transfer the release date year to the year |
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| 03:57:29 | afruff23 | to the year field* |
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| 03:58:18 | Llorean | afruff23: Is the field called "Date" or "Release Date" internally. Vorbis comments allow arbitrary tags, I believe, so naming can be somewhat important. |
| 03:59:01 | afruff23 | the souce field is "date" |
| 03:59:02 | afruff23 | my bad |
| 03:59:13 | HellDragon2 | where do you put doom.wad ? i tried putting it in .rockbox/games/doom/ but it didnt work |
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| 04:00:45 | afruff23 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 04:01:01 | Llorean | HellDragon2: The instructions have never said /.rockbox/games/doom/ as far as I'm aware. |
| 04:01:13 | afruff23 | llorean, took words out fo my mouth |
| 04:02:17 | ruins | Has anyone successfully initialized a database for 2000+ songs on the H3xx port of rockbox? |
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| 04:18:00 | afruff23 | to make matters worse, winamp treats date a syear |
| 04:18:05 | afruff23 | as year* |
| 04:18:11 | afruff23 | and parses it to only show the year |
| 04:18:29 | afruff23 | so if you edit year, then you edit date |
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| 04:19:40 | afruff23 | hmm...it seems that a year field isn't standard |
| 04:19:47 | afruff23 | people use date for that isntead |
| 04:20:33 | Soap | afruff23: It is not the best way, but the easiest way w/o getting into regular expressions is to rename the files using the release date, then tag the files based on the filename, then rename the files to the format you prefer. |
| 04:20:58 | Soap | I know it seems backwards, but it works quickly with minimal scripting. |
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| 04:27:24 | Brunellus | hi guys. just checking back in. I was here last night asking about some of my oggs that wouldn't play |
| 04:27:51 | Brunellus | turns out they had id3 tags in them. I wrote a shellscript that stripped the id3 tags, and now they work great. rockbox plays them without problems. |
| 04:27:58 | Soap | and the theory was tags, eh? |
| 04:28:08 | Soap | oops, too late. Cool. |
| 04:28:29 | Brunellus | the theory was the tags, and it worked |
| 04:28:43 | Soap | sweet. Nothing like a batch of tasty oggs you can't listen to. |
| 04:28:49 | Brunellus | I was rocking out on the train to & from work...and was able to scrobble my songs |
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| 04:29:07 | Brunellus | I am SUPER impressed at the progress in rockbox lately |
| 04:29:08 | Soap | yes, scrobbler support is sweet indeed. |
| 04:29:42 | Brunellus | yup. |
| 04:30:57 | Brunellus | so yes. might be worthwhile putting that bit about tags in the .pdf manual, just in case |
| 04:32:26 | sneakums | the faq might be a better place, i'd hope id3-contaminated oggs are not too common |
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| 04:33:23 | Brunellus | probably not. Maybe it's really more of a stupid-user issue in my case |
| 04:33:49 | Brunellus | but Grip really lets you shoot yourself in the foot−−it allows you to use both vorbis and id3 tags on the same file, which was my trouble |
| 04:33:57 | sneakums | it seems unhelpful software is a contributor |
| 04:34:28 | Brunellus | the awful truth of it is that I'm not really that satisfied with a the CD ripping solutions I've tried in Linux |
| 04:35:05 | Brunellus | on the one hand, soundjuicer is slick and rockbox-friendly−−but it's really useless if your disc isn't in the Musicbrainz database, and adding an entry is just too much trouble that way |
| 04:35:36 | sneakums | i'm still stumbling along with some shell scripts i wrote some years ago |
| 04:35:38 | Brunellus | Grip is a lot sparser and easier to use with obscure/indie/uncataloged CDs, but then it also lets you shoot yourself in the foot with the tagging the way I did. |
| 04:36:38 | sneakums | i type all the tags myself, because i can't stand the incompleteness (and error-ridden nature) of the online databases |
| 04:36:45 | sneakums | also perhaps i have too much free time |
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| 04:38:52 | Alonea | anyone here understand how to use the bmp2rb? |
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| 04:39:15 | jackfusion | hi all |
| 04:41:32 | Alonea | hello |
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| 04:44:01 | jackfusion | hi again |
| 04:44:03 | Alonea | I keep getting command not found when I try to use bmp2rb |
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| 04:46:52 | debauched_sloth | Alonea, you need to have built RB yourself to have this tool. If you have done so, it's in rockbox/tools |
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| 04:47:20 | Alonea | yes I know. I see it. but its not working... |
| 04:48:40 | Alonea | but I dont really know a whole lot about cygwin. All I have done with it is put in patches. |
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| 04:52:13 | debauched_sloth | hmm |
| 04:52:21 | debauched_sloth | not sure |
| 04:52:51 | afruff23 | winamp can write vorbis comments write? |
| 04:53:03 | afruff23 | or does it write id3 tags to flac files? |
| 04:53:16 | debauched_sloth | I can convert it for you - send it to debauchedsloth@bustedflush.org |
| 04:53:38 | afruff23 | i have the flac plugin |
| 04:53:54 | Alonea | that would work. gimmie juuust a sec |
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| 04:58:16 | jackfusion | how do u stop an ipod from automatically shutting down? |
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| 05:01:05 | Alonea | debauched_sloth: ok, I sent it |
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| 05:04:32 | debauched_sloth | replied, Alonea: with .raw file |
| 05:04:37 | debauched_sloth | looks great! |
| 05:05:35 | Alonea | debauched_sloth: yeah, I didn't make it. perl did. he is t3h awesome |
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| 06:08:18 | titooo | good morning... |
| 06:08:46 | titooo | can anybody explain to me how i can change the way rockbox's tagnavi? ;) |
| 06:09:00 | titooo | creating tagnavi_custom.config makes it crash :D |
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| 06:21:34 | combrains | wow there has been a lot of work on the gb port today |
| 06:22:08 | combrains | anyone here who may be able to help me out with the wiki? |
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| 06:24:01 | combrains | hey linuxstb_ |
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| 06:28:06 | drowe | I'm just getting started with putting Rockbox on my 5G iPod, and when I try to backup the bootpartition step, it says Drive is not an iPod, aborting |
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| 06:29:10 | drowe | I on Fedora Core 6, and the device is /dev/sda2, which is what I use to mount the iPod for gtkpod and what not. |
| 06:29:13 | drowe | any ideas? |
| 06:30:47 | DogBoy | it says |
| 06:33:08 | drowe | why would that step fail, if the device is correct? |
| 06:35:22 | drowe | if I try /dev/sda1, I get Bad boot sector signature |
| 06:35:30 | drowe | anyone? |
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| 06:36:52 | KCC | are svn builds safe to use again? |
| 06:36:52 | drowe | ugh...nevermind. I was accessing the individual partitions rather than the _whole_ device (/dev/sda) |
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| 06:37:22 | safetydan | KCC, why wouldn't they be? As in, what do you think was broken? |
| 06:37:43 | KCC | yesterday i read not to use SVN builds, to stick to the daily build |
| 06:37:49 | KCC | wondering if thats still in effect |
| 06:38:36 | combrains | i had a disput with bagder about that last night |
| 06:38:45 | combrains | he didn't believe me |
| 06:38:53 | combrains | use it and see if it works |
| 06:38:59 | safetydan | Which target do you think is broken? |
| 06:39:12 | combrains | the gb for starters |
| 06:39:19 | safetydan | Latest from SVN works fine on my H120 |
| 06:39:45 | combrains | im gonna build my own now - KCC - if you get the SVN from the site then we can compare |
| 06:39:46 | safetydan | ah gigabeat |
| 06:39:59 | safetydan | well that's a whole different kettle of fish |
| 06:40:04 | lostlogic | daily builds are exactly 0% more stable than SVN... they just happen to be built once a day instead of on every commit. |
| 06:40:50 | KCC | alright combrains, ill get the lastest bootloader too |
| 06:41:27 | combrains | it may have just been a freak of nature :P |
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| 06:48:43 | combrains | why does kdesvn tell me that my working copy is locked when I havn't locked it? |
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| 06:53:42 | KCC | new bootloader with latest SVN works flawlessly |
| 06:53:43 | KCC | :) |
| 06:55:11 | combrains | cool |
| 06:55:33 | combrains | for some reason my working copy of the SVN is locked - I havnt locked it |
| 06:55:35 | Mouser_X | Is there anyone here that can help me with the VMware image? |
| 06:56:09 | Mouser_X | I'd like to setup a build environment, but I don't think the image is doing what I expect it to be doing. |
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| 07:01:31 | Mouser_X | scorche: You there? |
| 07:01:44 | safetydan | Mouser_X, maybe describe your problem and someone can help |
| 07:02:43 | Mouser_X | I put in the command that the Wiki says, a bunch of stuff scrolls past, and then it stopped. It didn't look like it was done though... |
| 07:03:00 | Mouser_X | It stopped on Hebrew (something).fnt |
| 07:03:04 | Mouser_X | Or, around there. |
| 07:03:24 | safetydan | Is there an error? |
| 07:03:57 | Mouser_X | No. |
| 07:04:26 | safetydan | Hrm, not much to go on then |
| 07:04:33 | Mouser_X | This is the command I put in (in case it's important) |
| 07:04:34 | Mouser_X | svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox |
| 07:05:02 | Mouser_X | Stuff scrolled past. After awhile, I got tired of waiting, and I entered in the rest, after that. |
| 07:05:19 | Mouser_X | (See here) |
| 07:05:20 | safetydan | ah, that command is getting the source from the rockbox SVN server |
| 07:05:20 | Mouser_X | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform#Compiling |
| 07:05:23 | safetydan | you should probably wait for it to finish |
| 07:05:31 | Mouser_X | I did wait. |
| 07:05:41 | Mouser_X | A reasonably long time. |
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| 07:05:56 | Mouser_X | At least 10 minutes. Probably 30 or forty. |
| 07:05:56 | safetydan | It can take at leat five or more minutes |
| 07:06:00 | safetydan | ah |
| 07:06:06 | safetydan | well you can always try that command again |
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| 07:06:20 | safetydan | it will pick up where it left off last time |
| 07:06:36 | Mouser_X | I'll try that then, I guess. |
| 07:06:50 | Mouser_X | I think it may be too taxing on my system, actually. |
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| 07:07:08 | safetydan | All it's really doing is downloading some files |
| 07:07:13 | safetydan | shouldn't be anything too taxing about that |
| 07:07:28 | Mouser_X | There was severe slowdown, even though Windows Taskmanager said there was plenty of memory, and that the CPU usage wasn't up. |
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| 07:08:57 | Mouser_X | (Though, it took me awhile to get Taskmanager up, due to the bad slowdown.) |
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| 07:26:08 | combrains | is there anyone here who can help me with the wiki? |
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| 07:38:26 | ajay | hey, i'm a new user of rockbox on ipod 5g 60gb |
| 07:38:42 | ajay | just thought i'd tip my hat to the developers for a really nice job |
| 07:39:18 | ajay | and ask a quick question: does anybody know of a custom build that incorporates both julius' and senab's patchsets? |
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| 07:52:41 | Mouser_X | combrains: It's gotten further than before. That's nice. |
| 07:52:45 | Mouser_X | Oh, just finished. |
| 07:54:29 | Mouser_X | Downloading, that is. |
| 07:59:24 | Mouser_X | Seems to be building. |
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| 08:09:44 | Mouser_X | This is extremely debilitating... |
| 08:09:48 | Mouser_X | It's very slow. |
| 08:10:03 | combrains | what is? |
| 08:10:17 | combrains | your build or the building process? |
| 08:10:17 | Mouser_X | Runing VMware. |
| 08:10:21 | combrains | oic |
| 08:10:25 | Mouser_X | *Running |
| 08:10:37 | combrains | what spec machiene are you running? |
| 08:10:47 | combrains | the host that is |
| 08:10:53 | Mouser_X | It looks like it finished, but I can't find the end results. |
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| 08:11:52 | Mouser_X | The PC I'm on (that's running VMware) is a 2 ghz AMD 64 bit CPU, with 512 MB of onboard RAM (and 512 MB of the page file, virtual memory, or whatever it's called). |
| 08:12:18 | Mouser_X | I think it's the memory that's the problem. |
| 08:16:31 | combrains | yeah - its having to use virtual memory for the virtual machiene |
| 08:17:03 | combrains | I can't get my VM to see my gb as a mass storage device - it thinks its a camera |
| 08:17:20 | toffe | I am running it on a laptop 1.6ghz and 512 mb with vmware worstation and also on a biprocessor 1ghz with 512mb with vmplayer and it run smoothly |
| 08:17:21 | combrains | it sucks because i cant put my bild on it |
| 08:18:07 | combrains | my laptop is a core duo 1.66 GHz with 512MB ram running VMWare server and its sweet |
| 08:18:23 | amiconn | Bagder: I thought we don't want C99-style variable declarations, but CONTRIBUTING doesn't say so... ? |
| 08:18:59 | LinusN | shame on us |
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| 08:19:27 | hcs | LinusN: Hi there, I'm here for my daily patch pestering. |
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| 08:20:06 | Mouser_X | So, after running the VMware image, and it looks like it got done building, any idea where the end result can be found? |
| 08:20:14 | amiconn | Bagder: And a completely different thing: The [diff] link seems to have problems when the file wasn't changed on every revision. Example: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/drivers/lcd-16bit.c?r1=12061&r2=12062 |
| 08:20:17 | Mouser_X | I can't seem to find anything useful anywhere. |
| 08:20:53 | amiconn | The 'r1' parameter should be 120016, not 120061 for this file... |
| 08:21:12 | amiconn | Meh, 12016 instead of 12061 of course |
| 08:21:42 | combrains | Mouser_X, its all in the build dir you should have created |
| 08:22:03 | Mouser_X | I did create one. I can't see it. |
| 08:22:12 | combrains | in the source dir |
| 08:22:18 | amiconn | LinusN: The reason why I was checking that is http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/drivers/lcd-16bit.c?r1=12016&r2=12062 |
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| 08:22:45 | hcs | he just doesn't know how to get it out of the virtual machine onto the real machine, or how to get patches into the virtual machine, for that matter |
| 08:23:07 | Mouser_X | I can't see a source directory. I'm accessing it through the network drive. |
| 08:23:26 | Mouser_X | subversion, maybe? |
| 08:23:30 | amiconn | Grrr, TAB chars! :( |
| 08:24:35 | tucoz | is there a typo on line 518 in the commit for bmp2rb.c? |
| 08:24:58 | tucoz | or is there a function called swab? |
| 08:25:15 | hcs | swap byte? |
| 08:25:18 | LinusN | tucoz: there is |
| 08:25:18 | hcs | (s)? |
| 08:25:20 | tucoz | ah. ok |
| 08:26:04 | amiconn | debauched_sloth: Could you please read CONTRIBUTING? There are some things in the LCD optimisation that shouldn't be there: (1) using TABs and (2) mixing brace placement style. Also, we don't want C99 variable declarations, although that is missing from CONTRIBUTING |
| 08:26:45 | hcs | expand is handy for tab to space conversion |
| 08:27:24 | tucoz | emacs as well. M-x-detabify iirc |
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| 08:27:36 | sneakums | untabify, i think |
| 08:27:44 | LinusN | yup |
| 08:27:52 | Mouser_X | combrains: If there's a source directory, I can't find it. I searched "gigabeat" in the network drive that VMware provides, and no useful stuff came up. As the wiki said, I created a directory called "build_gigabeat" and my search results brought up no directories at all. |
| 08:29:17 | midgey | Badger: Since we're pestering you while you're not here I've got another SVN issue. The current tree does not allow changing commit messages using propedit. |
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| 08:29:43 | hcs | mouser: what is in the build_gigabeat directory? |
| 08:30:03 | jamesshuang | hmmm... I really messed this up... can someone with a gigabeat please send me a zip of their GBSYSTEM directory? after a finger slip, I accidentally deleted the folder, and now it won't boot x_x |
| 08:30:13 | Mouser_X | HCS: I don't know. I can't find it. As far as I can tell, it doesn't exist. |
| 08:30:39 | hcs | hmm, so what is on the network drive? |
| 08:30:40 | Mouser_X | I'm assuming it contains the results of my build. |
| 08:31:09 | combrains | mouser_x: how do you set up the network between the guest and host? It would be helpful for transfering my build out to windows |
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| 08:31:38 | Mouser_X | I have no idea how it was setup. VMware did it when it installed. |
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| 08:34:19 | combrains | ok - I have mine bridged - I was able to browse my windows shares in mdk 10 but I cant in suse 10.2 |
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| 08:41:34 | jamesshuang | well this is annoying... I see posts saying that the GBSYSTEM folder is installed with the software... except I can't install it because I"m on linux, and I don't have a ready windows install |
| 08:41:58 | jamesshuang | can some kind soul send me a package of the GBSYSTEM folder? x_x |
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| 08:49:32 | AndreSmith | I have a question about the rockbox build. It says in the manual that the build consists of a folder called .rockbox If Im not mistaken, macs cant show this file, how would I get around this? |
| 08:49:48 | hcs | enable showing hidden files |
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| 08:50:11 | hcs | http://www.osxfaq.com/DailyTips/02-2005/02-01.ws |
| 08:50:15 | AndreSmith | I dont think mac os x has such an option |
| 08:50:20 | AndreSmith | Ok, Ill check it out |
| 08:50:23 | sneakums | it does. |
| 08:50:58 | AndreSmith | Ok, so I guess I will have to consistantly see all the mac dystem files |
| 08:51:10 | AndreSmith | Rather inconvinient |
| 08:51:21 | sneakums | if you don't want do that, you can do "make zip" after "make", and then unzip that onto your player |
| 08:51:34 | sneakums | "make zip" will pack the build up into a rockbox.zip |
| 08:51:42 | jamesshuang | nevermind :-p i managed to find a copy on the internet... |
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| 08:51:46 | LinusN | some day we should strip that leading "." |
| 08:52:01 | AndreSmith | True, that seems a little unecerry |
| 08:52:03 | LinusN | it causes us more support trouble than it is worth |
| 08:52:26 | AndreSmith | However, will I ever need to touch the .rockbox folder? |
| 08:52:31 | LinusN | actually, it was fine until those mac guys came around |
| 08:53:38 | LinusN | the os x way of unzipping forces the user to unzip to the desktop and then copy to the player |
| 08:53:47 | sneakums | gah. |
| 08:54:10 | AndreSmith | I can use a program such as zipit |
| 08:54:18 | LinusN | yes |
| 08:54:23 | AndreSmith | But If I were to put the folder there, then what? |
| 08:54:23 | hcs | LinusN: got a moment to take a look at the nsf patch? |
| 08:54:31 | hcs | (or maybe several moments?) |
| 08:54:33 | AndreSmith | Will I actually have to see it and move stuff there |
| 08:54:41 | LinusN | hcs, unfortunately not, have a meeting in a few minutes |
| 08:54:50 | hcs | ok, meet well |
| 08:55:04 | sneakums | AndreSmith: generally no |
| 08:55:06 | LinusN | AndreSmith: no, you will be fine once it's there |
| 08:55:25 | AndreSmith | ok, so as long as its there I dont have to touch it. Good, It makes my life a little easier |
| 08:55:40 | AndreSmith | And If it were to accidently be deleted? |
| 08:55:56 | LinusN | then you will see an error message when you start rockbox |
| 08:56:19 | AndreSmith | ok, no problems |
| 08:56:23 | AndreSmith | Thanks for the help guys |
| 08:56:31 | LinusN | you're welcome |
| 08:57:14 | AndreSmith | What do you guys keep in that .rockbox folder? |
| 08:57:28 | hcs | missile launch codes |
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| 08:58:33 | LinusN | AndreSmith: basically all files that belong to Rockbox, like fonts, WPS files, EQ presets, plugins etc |
| 08:59:18 | amiconn | LinusN: MacOS doesn't allow unzipping directly to the player??? |
| 08:59:35 | * | amiconn has no idea of how os x works |
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| 09:00:02 | amiconn | The last MacOS I used (also only a tiny bit) was MacOS 7.x |
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| 09:00:19 | AndreSmith | Ah ok, So I would have to turn hidden files off i were to include stuff like that |
| 09:00:27 | amiconn | I was unable to figure out how to do certain things |
| 09:00:43 | AndreSmith | So I guess I'll turn hidden files off to create the .rockbox dir |
| 09:01:49 | sneakums | amiconn: just hold down command-option-shift and press random keys until it does what you want |
| 09:02:11 | amiconn | hehe |
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| 09:07:52 | AndreSmith | from here :http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Install what happens after the step-by-step instructions, before i enable dual boot? |
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| 09:15:59 | austriancoder | Hi all |
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| 09:17:02 | * | austriancoder will call austriamicrosystems to talk about as3514 in a few minutes |
| 09:17:07 | * | petur wants to be in Austria ;) |
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| 09:21:04 | amiconn | midgey: From looking at the code, your changed disktidy plugin leaks menu slots... |
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| 09:29:21 | austriancoder | my contact person at austriamicrosystems has at the moment a meeting.. i will call him later |
| 09:31:20 | dan_a | austriancoder: Good luck! |
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| 09:33:36 | LinusN | amiconn: the standard behaviour of mac os x when you double-click on a .zip file is to unzip it to the same folder where the .zip resides |
| 09:33:57 | LinusN | most mac users are happy with that behaviour |
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| 09:35:37 | LinusN | last time i had a mac, i had to download a (buggy) zip utility, i believe it was "unzipit" to be able to unzip into a folder of my choice |
| 09:36:01 | LinusN | mac os x is not about choice, apparently |
| 09:36:38 | petur | it is... about Steve Jobs' choice |
| 09:36:50 | LinusN | but as i said, most mac users seem to be happy with it |
| 09:36:56 | LinusN | good for them |
| 09:37:26 | * | petur read Apple considers licensing fairplay |
| 09:37:32 | AndreSmith | mac users trying to install rockbox aren't ;) |
| 09:37:38 | amiconn | LinusN: But you could first copy the zip onto the player, and then unzip there (?) |
| 09:37:49 | LinusN | yes, how convenient |
| 09:38:14 | petur | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/01/17/apple_to_license_fairplay/ |
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| 09:41:28 | LinusN | amiconn: still, we should perhaps recommend that approach in the installastion instructions for mac users |
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| 09:42:10 | AndreSmith | its pretty hard trying to install rockbox here |
| 09:42:20 | AndreSmith | I have tried terminal but it doesnt want to show .rockbox |
| 09:42:31 | sneakums | AndreSmith: use the -a flag with ls |
| 09:43:11 | sneakums | by default ls hides files whose names begin with a '.' |
| 09:43:19 | sneakums | (and directories) |
| 09:43:27 | AndreSmith | yep |
| 09:44:27 | AndreSmith | So If I use ls, would it show hiddenfiles? |
| 09:44:41 | sneakums | if you type "ls -a", it will |
| 09:44:55 | AndreSmith | Ok, Im seeing them |
| 09:45:13 | AndreSmith | Now the difficult bit of getting the .rockbox folder in the player |
| 09:45:32 | sneakums | if the player is mounted and showing on the desktop, ls /Volumes should show it in there |
| 09:46:29 | sneakums | so assuming .rockbox is in your current directory, and your player is in /Volumes/thingy, you would use "cp -r .rockbox /Volumes/thingy" to copy it over |
| 09:46:45 | AndreSmith | The zip seems to have removed .rockbox |
| 09:46:48 | AndreSmith | *finder |
| 09:47:32 | sneakums | i have no idea why it would do that |
| 09:48:07 | AndreSmith | well, its not there |
| 09:48:23 | sneakums | also you may find you need to use "-R" and not "-r" with cp |
| 09:48:34 | sneakums | did you see it in an "ls -a" listing before? |
| 09:48:34 | AndreSmith | No, im seeing hidden files |
| 09:48:45 | sneakums | you may need to cd to the directory where you did the build |
| 09:48:48 | AndreSmith | Its just when I unzip, rockbox isnt there |
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| 09:49:40 | sneakums | well, it's ".rockbox", and i assume that's because the finder is not showing hidden files? |
| 09:49:44 | AndreSmith | Yeh, I saw it |
| 09:49:50 | AndreSmith | What happens Is I download it |
| 09:50:08 | AndreSmith | For an instant while its unzipping you can see the folder, then it disappears |
| 09:51:12 | petur | maybe there's a difference between files with the 'hidden' attribute and the hiding of .filename stuff? |
| 09:51:43 | AndreSmith | I think "." defines it as being hidden |
| 09:52:25 | * | petur prefers the attribute way |
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| 09:54:58 | AndreSmith | This also seems strange, because If I were to connect the sansa to the computer, the .rockbox folder may be deleted in the process |
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| 09:55:43 | LinusN | AndreSmith: have you tried to copy the .zip to the sansa and extract it in-place? |
| 09:56:11 | AndreSmith | The zip is automatically extracted onto the desktop |
| 09:56:24 | LinusN | even if the zip is on the sansa? |
| 09:56:36 | AndreSmith | once its downloaded, it automatically unzips |
| 09:56:54 | LinusN | but the original .zip must still be there, isn't it? |
| 09:57:08 | AndreSmith | Hang on, I think its because i am using safari, i will try with firefox |
| 09:57:18 | petur | bah... who designed that crap |
| 09:57:29 | AndreSmith | Steves Minions |
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| 09:57:55 | LinusN | i think unzipping automatically is downright stupid |
| 09:58:17 | * | bluebrother agrees |
| 09:58:37 | LinusN | still, it may be the preferred action for the average mac user |
| 09:58:51 | LinusN | who downloads a ZIP that he/she doesn' |
| 09:58:54 | LinusN | t want to unzip? |
| 09:59:06 | petur | ...which says everything about the average mac user... :p |
| 09:59:06 | LinusN | I DO! |
| 09:59:12 | AndreSmith | Someone who wants to put it into the player ;) |
| 09:59:17 | LinusN | petur: exactly |
| 09:59:20 | sneakums | safari automatically opens what it judges to be "safe" files |
| 09:59:24 | sneakums | that feature can be disabled, iirc |
| 09:59:31 | LinusN | yeah, like zip bombs |
| 09:59:50 | petur | gets worse than IE |
| 09:59:51 | sneakums | but it's not confidence-inspiring that it's on by default |
| 09:59:53 | AndreSmith | it should have an otion at least |
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| 10:00:06 | LinusN | options? on a mac? ha! |
| 10:00:17 | * | petur prepares a 50GB empty file and zips it :D |
| 10:00:19 | AndreSmith | Thats why you have to use firefox |
| 10:00:24 | sneakums | AndreSmith: the pref is caleld "automatically open safe files" or something, but it's definitely there (or it was in 10.3 anyway) |
| 10:00:30 | * | LinusN will soon receive anonymous threats |
| 10:00:37 | AndreSmith | True, i'll check that out |
| 10:00:53 | GodEater | you think SteveJ monitors #rockbox LinusN ? |
| 10:01:04 | GodEater | he'll send his enforcers round... |
| 10:01:09 | petur | he doesn't care |
| 10:01:26 | LinusN | well, i took some heat for my statement about ipod users :-) |
| 10:01:38 | GodEater | Must have missed that one |
| 10:01:41 | AndreSmith | Ok, so I exracted it in the file and these were the results: |
| 10:01:52 | AndreSmith | It created a folder called "rockbox Folder" |
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| 10:01:54 | GodEater | I've been taking some heat myself for my opinion of the average ipod user |
| 10:01:57 | sneakums | i liked camino a lot when i used os x, i hear it's gotten even better lately, although probably not for people who run firefox with a brace of extensions |
| 10:02:06 | AndreSmith | inside was "rockbox.e200" |
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| 10:02:14 | LinusN | AndreSmith: AAAAAAAH, stupid stupid mac!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:02:32 | AndreSmith | I shall try again with ZipIt |
| 10:02:38 | * | petur edits the golden quotes page |
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| 10:02:50 | GodEater | petur: link ? :) |
| 10:02:57 | petur | wiki |
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| 10:03:08 | * | petur was just joking |
| 10:03:16 | linuxstb | I just use the "unzip" command on my Mac - e.g. "unzip rockbox.zip -d /Volumes/IPOD/" |
| 10:03:30 | AndreSmith | Ill try that |
| 10:03:46 | GodEater | petur: shame - we should have such a page :) |
| 10:03:52 | petur | there is |
| 10:03:56 | linuxstb | AndreSmith: Do you know about TAB-completion in the terminal? |
| 10:03:59 | petur | I was joking about editing it |
| 10:04:02 | GodEater | ah |
| 10:04:21 | LinusN | GodEater: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GoldenQuotes |
| 10:04:36 | GodEater | got it |
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| 10:04:52 | * | linuxstb sees the bmp2rb raw output is still broken wrt endianness of the host |
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| 10:05:36 | AndreSmith | I am trying with ZipIt |
| 10:05:42 | AndreSmith | I can at least see .rockbox now |
| 10:06:04 | AndreSmith | the question is whether it will stay |
| 10:06:11 | GodEater | lol @ firefox/opera on arm quote |
| 10:07:31 | petur | the WMA quote is my fav ;) |
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| 10:07:41 | AndreSmith | Excellent, .rockbox is there |
| 10:07:50 | GodEater | yes - that's also very amusing |
| 10:08:00 | GodEater | LinusN should start a career in geek stand up comedy |
| 10:08:08 | LinusN | hehe |
| 10:08:32 | GodEater | perhaps he already has one :) |
| 10:08:54 | LinusN | that's why i'm so busy all the time :-) |
| 10:09:06 | GodEater | all those late nights in comedy clubs - I can imagine |
| 10:09:24 | LinusN | yes, and all the chicks and booze that come with it |
| 10:09:47 | GodEater | in a geek comedy club? Wow. There must be a secret handshake to get in. |
| 10:10:41 | LinusN | of course - and all shows are in Klingon |
| 10:10:57 | GodEater | hahaha |
| 10:11:04 | * | GodEater really knew someone who bothered to learn it |
| 10:11:09 | LinusN | omg |
| 10:11:22 | GodEater | "Covnersational Klingon" |
| 10:11:24 | * | LinusN puts on "White and Nerdy" |
| 10:11:35 | GodEater | or conversational even |
| 10:11:47 | * | GodEater looks suspiciously at his fingers |
| 10:11:57 | rp_ | austriancoder: check your query |
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| 10:19:56 | safetydan | oh bah, I misremembered. The astroinfo stuff doesn't have log/exp |
| 10:20:33 | preglow | :/ |
| 10:20:45 | preglow | i think it'll be a pain to make one that's flexible too |
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| 10:33:18 | safetydan | preglow, how about something like this? http://www.quinapalus.com/efunc.html |
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| 10:40:24 | preglow | safetydan: had a look at that, and it's really great for arm, not so much on coldfire. anyway, primary thing is i don't know how easy it is to adapt to differing amounts of fractional bits |
| 10:40:37 | preglow | then again, that might not really be so very important |
| 10:41:07 | preglow | me notices there is an fp_exp() in firmware/replaygain.c ... |
| 10:41:23 | preglow | no log |
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| 10:50:38 | safetydan | preglow, I believe it would just be a matter of recalculating the constants with different fractional bits, but I could be wrong |
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| 10:52:42 | preglow | safetydan: yeah, i guess that's true |
| 10:52:58 | preglow | i wonder what fp_exp does |
| 10:53:03 | preglow | that does muls |
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| 10:57:25 | safetydan | preglow, what input format are you looking for? I'm assuming this is for the dsp, so that's 27 fractional bits? |
| 10:59:55 | preglow | safetydan: that's the problem, there's no fixed input format, i'll be using it in random filter design spots |
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| 11:00:04 | safetydan | ah |
| 11:00:19 | preglow | but anyway, one with a fixed number of frac bits should do |
| 11:00:30 | preglow | now that i think of it |
| 11:00:42 | preglow | it'll mostly be used to convert decibels to linear amplitude |
| 11:00:57 | preglow | where very high precision isn't really needed |
| 11:01:23 | * | safetydan cuts and pastes 16.16 versions from above web page |
| 11:01:25 | safetydan | done and done |
| 11:01:34 | preglow | :-) |
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| 11:14:28 | * | austriancoder has finished telefon call with austriamicrosystems.. and now is looking for a way to present the results nicly to the community |
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| 11:15:07 | markun | On the gigabeat I sometimes find the boost counter at 2 during playback without going down, does this happen on other targets as well? |
| 11:16:00 | markun | austriancoder: to the rockbox community? |
| 11:16:19 | JdGordon | austriancoder: good news or bad news? |
| 11:16:26 | austriancoder | very good news |
| 11:16:34 | JdGordon | then spit it out!! |
| 11:16:41 | austriancoder | will create a wiki page |
| 11:17:21 | * | safetydan wonders why make hates him |
| 11:18:00 | scorche | because you make it do things without asking |
| 11:18:06 | scorche | ick...bad pun... |
| 11:18:13 | safetydan | very |
| 11:18:35 | safetydan | I blame Bagder actually. It's his lang features change that's not working for me. |
| 11:19:02 | * | Bagderr takes blame and goes to stand in corner |
| 11:19:12 | JdGordon | amiconn: you there? |
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| 11:19:49 | markun | Bagderr: it seems that most of the SVN builds for the Gigabeat don't work, did someone already tell you? |
| 11:20:18 | markun | I mean the auto builds, not our own SVN builds |
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| 11:21:23 | LinusN | what exactly is "don't work"? |
| 11:21:26 | linuxstb | markun: Has anyone compared the binaries? Are you using the same gcc/binutils that are on the build servers? |
| 11:21:30 | safetydan | Bagder, the loop to build up the $feat variable in that patch seems to work, but when $feat gets passed to genlang, it gets printed as $feat rather than the contents |
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| 11:21:55 | Bagderr | safetydan: oh :-/ |
| 11:22:54 | safetydan | so I have a features.txt with #if define(HAVE_LCD_REMOTE) remote #endif and that bit all works, but not the passing to genlang |
| 11:23:15 | markun | LinusN, linuxstb: I didn't investigate it yet and am using my own builds. |
| 11:24:44 | GodEater | markun: and you're using the same binutils / gcc that we have on our build servers? |
| 11:26:53 | amiconn | petur: You cannot zip a 50GB file. The zip format uses 32bit values for file sizes |
| 11:27:35 | petur | heh |
| 11:27:39 | linuxstb | Isn't there a "zip64" format? I've received zip files containing > 4GB files (but generally have trouble with them). |
| 11:27:41 | petur | there goes my plot |
| 11:28:11 | preglow | linuxstb: there is |
| 11:28:13 | amiconn | Well, you can zip a bunch of 2GB files... |
| 11:28:22 | markun | GodEater: I use gcc 4.0.2 and binutils 2.16, some others use gcc 4.1.1 and binutils 2.17 I think |
| 11:28:30 | markun | both work fine |
| 11:29:01 | linuxstb | markun: Is your binutils exactly 2.16? |
| 11:29:31 | markun | linuxstb: is there a way to check this? arm-elf-ld −−version just shows 2.16 |
| 11:29:41 | markun | Does it contain bugs? |
| 11:29:48 | linuxstb | Then it is exactly 2.16. It would show the minor version otherwise. |
| 11:30:25 | linuxstb | I'm using 2.16.1, and have generated builds which freeze on my ipod Color, but hcs (running 2.16) built the same source without problems. |
| 11:30:30 | amiconn | safetydan, preglow: Check they greyscale lib for a fixed point log / exp |
| 11:30:47 | linuxstb | rockboxdev.sh installs 2.16.1 |
| 11:31:50 | preglow | woah |
| 11:31:59 | markun | linuxstb: ok, maybe that's the cause, needs some more investigation |
| 11:32:04 | preglow | the grayscale lib is rather larger than i'd have imagined |
| 11:32:27 | safetydan | cool |
| 11:32:36 | amiconn | Yeah, it can do a lot of things... |
| 11:32:44 | safetydan | they look like they're from that web page I linked to before |
| 11:34:36 | amiconn | Yes, they use this algorithm |
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| 11:38:44 | jba | hey guys |
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| 11:39:06 | markun | hi jba |
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| 11:39:17 | jba | how goes |
| 11:40:15 | bluebrother | hmm. Shouldn't the verbose error message in the bootloader still print the error number? |
| 11:40:25 | bluebrother | especially for an unknown error? |
| 11:41:04 | linuxstb | Are there any unknown errors? |
| 11:41:21 | linuxstb | If the error messages are unique, I can't see a need for the number. |
| 11:42:00 | bluebrother | I just looked at the recent diff, and "Unknown error" sounds a bit ... unhelpful to me |
| 11:42:19 | bluebrother | no idea if those error numbers are actually used |
| 11:42:19 | linuxstb | I'm guessing that is just for safety and won't actually happen in the code. |
| 11:42:23 | austriancoder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/Austriamicrosystems |
| 11:43:36 | linuxstb | austriancoder: Interesting... Do you have any more info on their player? i.e. flash or HD based? |
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| 11:45:07 | austriancoder | linuxstb: at the moment not... but i will request some basic facts about their chip |
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| 11:45:50 | linuxstb | austriancoder: It's not that important, I'm just curious. I've just committed myself to a new port, so should stay away from it... |
| 11:46:53 | markun | vadim who worked on the low level code for the Gigabeat was a bit sad that the fun part was mostly over. Maybe he wants to start another port :) |
| 11:47:15 | linuxstb | He's not tempted by the Gigabeat S? |
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| 11:47:31 | mitch04 | hi |
| 11:47:35 | mitch04 | can anyone help me please? |
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| 11:47:58 | mitch04 | im making some good progress on porting creative zen vision m |
| 11:48:02 | mitch04 | need help a bit |
| 11:48:15 | markun | mitch04: what kind of help? |
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| 11:49:21 | mitch04 | hi im trying to crack the firmware but having problem trying to pass the checksum or signature validation |
| 11:49:48 | austriancoder | linuxstb: i think the single-chip solution is the AS3525 |
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| 11:50:31 | Bagderr | so do you know how/when we can get the data sheet for the 3514? |
| 11:50:34 | markun | mitch04: don't really know how to help with that |
| 11:50:53 | mitch04 | oh ok |
| 11:51:02 | mitch04 | do u know anyone would? |
| 11:51:31 | markun | mitch04: I was lucky that someone came out of nowhere and solved the gigabeat encryption when I couldn't do it |
| 11:51:58 | markun | mitch04: there is a mysterious MrH who might be able to help you. Talk to Bagderr about it.. |
| 11:51:58 | mitch04 | oh ok |
| 11:52:07 | mitch04 | kk |
| 11:52:22 | markun | mitch04: how far did you get with the porting so far? |
| 11:52:30 | Bagderr | you don't call him, he calls you ;-) |
| 11:52:40 | linuxstb | And he's not cheap. |
| 11:52:46 | mitch04 | oh hey badgerr |
| 11:52:52 | mitch04 | i need some help |
| 11:52:58 | Bagderr | yes I can read |
| 11:53:01 | austriancoder | Bagderr: i dont know.. my contact person told me that i should present you with all this informations and i will call him back in a few days.. |
| 11:53:04 | markun | no badgers here.. |
| 11:53:10 | mitch04 | im trying to crack the firmware but having problem trying to pass the checksum or signature validation |
| 11:53:12 | Bagderr | austriancoder: ok |
| 11:53:12 | preglow | wow |
| 11:53:16 | Bagderr | austriancoder: nice work btw! |
| 11:54:02 | mitch04 | would u know? |
| 11:54:33 | Bagderr | mitch: cracking checksums and signatures is a hard and time consuming work |
| 11:54:54 | Bagderr | disassembly is your friend |
| 11:54:57 | markun | mitch04: start a wiki page with everything you have found out so far |
| 11:54:59 | mitch04 | dam is there a way to bypasses it |
| 11:55:28 | mitch04 | im not the one whos really doing this im helping this gie out |
| 11:55:30 | markun | mitch04: is the firmware stored in flash or also partly on the hdd? |
| 11:55:41 | mitch04 | http://www.epizenter.net/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?69697.90 |
| 11:55:53 | mitch04 | have a look around |
| 11:55:58 | mitch04 | please |
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| 11:56:35 | markun | mitch04: so, did you make any progress with the rockbox port? |
| 11:56:43 | mitch04 | no |
| 11:56:55 | Bagderr | that thread is about extracting PNGs |
| 11:57:13 | mitch04 | we just want to know if we can crack then firmware |
| 11:57:14 | markun | mitch04: I thought you did because of "11:47 < mitch04> im making some good progress on porting creative zen vision m" |
| 11:57:36 | mitch04 | then it starts to get esier |
| 11:57:41 | Bagderr | mitch: so where are the details on what you've learned so far? |
| 11:57:43 | preglow | austriancoder: at least getting rockbox to work on such a highly powered chip shouldn't be an ipod-style challenge |
| 11:57:50 | Bagderr | in a forum thread about PNGs? |
| 11:58:09 | mitch04 | yeh |
| 11:58:19 | mitch04 | look im sorry mabe i should just |
| 11:58:21 | mitch04 | go |
| 11:58:23 | mitch04 | umm |
| 11:58:27 | preglow | 2.5mbit on-chip ram? |
| 11:58:29 | * | preglow salivates |
| 11:58:55 | mitch04 | so could u made register and help them out please |
| 11:58:59 | mitch04 | cya later |
| 11:59:00 | Bagderr | no way |
| 11:59:06 | mitch04 | why not? |
| 11:59:09 | Bagderr | if you want help, you come and you present info |
| 11:59:20 | mitch04 | kk |
| 11:59:26 | mitch04 | will do |
| 11:59:26 | mitch04 | cya later |
| 11:59:28 | Bagderr | we don't wanna go around chasing stuff hidden in a messy forum |
| 11:59:29 | preglow | 14 bit adc seems a bit weird, though |
| 11:59:34 | markun | mitch04: is it running windows CE? |
| 11:59:41 | mitch04 | yep |
| 11:59:45 | mitch04 | cya |
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| 12:00:59 | markun | Bagderr: in the netherlands we have a saying "making someone happy with a dead bird" ... |
| 12:01:20 | Bagderr | hahaha |
| 12:01:35 | markun | do you undestand what I mean? |
| 12:02:09 | markun | "I've made great progress.. but haven't actually started yet" |
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| 12:15:42 | * | austriancoder is organiseing a cup of coffee |
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| 12:17:59 | JdGordon | what do we want to do with nvram settings when settings are moved to .cfg files? |
| 12:18:31 | JdGordon | use the current system and keep a version just for them? or ignore them for a while? |
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| 12:28:04 | markun | Bagderr: picked a date yet for the next devcon? :) |
| 12:29:03 | Bagderr | no, but we really should |
| 12:29:31 | Bagderr | lunch! |
| 12:29:33 | markun | in the summer maybe? |
| 12:31:43 | GodEater | bit long to wait for lunch |
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| 12:32:37 | Nico_P | have you guys seen http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/Austriamicrosystems ? |
| 12:32:45 | Nico_P | almost sounds too good to be true |
| 12:33:34 | Zagor | Nico_P: quite a turn-around |
| 12:34:07 | Nico_P | isn't this the company that accepted to give the datasheet only under NDA ? |
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| 12:36:25 | amiconn | Zagor: Do you know what's up with the [diff] links in the changes table? |
| 12:37:00 | Nico_P | amiconn: they work fine for me |
| 12:37:08 | preglow | anything is up with them?= |
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| 12:43:17 | roolku | amiconn: they don't work if one part is missing (e.g. file creation/deletion) |
| 12:43:49 | Zagor | ah, that. that's Bagder's department |
| 12:44:07 | Zagor | (we've got Blaming down to an art form) |
| 12:48:16 | amiconn | Nico_P: They're only working when the file changes in every revision. |
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| 12:48:31 | amiconn | E.g. this one doesn't work: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/drivers/lcd-16bit.c?r1=12061&r2=12062 |
| 12:49:01 | Nico_P | amiconn: to me it seems to work... am i missing something ? |
| 12:54:15 | GodEater | works for me too |
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| 12:58:33 | Bagderr | amiconn: what's wrong with that? |
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| 13:00:22 | amiconn | I get a python exception |
| 13:00:32 | Mikachu | maybe you pasted the wrong link |
| 13:01:02 | amiconn | nope |
| 13:01:23 | Genre9mp3 | the link works fine here |
| 13:01:42 | * | linuxstb adds a "works for me too" |
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| 13:02:00 | Mikachu | this one doesn't work though http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/target/arm/archos/av300/power-av300.c?r1=12007&r2=12008 |
| 13:02:18 | amiconn | Strange. It does work from another system, but not here. |
| 13:02:24 | linuxstb | Mikachu: The file probably didn't exist at revision 12007, |
| 13:02:30 | Mikachu | yes |
| 13:03:13 | linuxstb | yes it didn't, or yes it did? |
| 13:03:19 | preglow | both! |
| 13:03:35 | Mikachu | the first |
| 13:03:38 | Zagor | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/target/arm/archos/av300/ata-av300.c?view=log says it didn't exist in 12007 |
| 13:03:54 | Mikachu | so the diff links shouldn't show up for new files, or deletions |
| 13:04:06 | GodEater | or should show as all green diffs |
| 13:04:24 | daurnimator | linuxstb |
| 13:04:25 | daurnimator | ! |
| 13:04:58 | linuxstb | svn seems to act strangely with new files - I noticed that if you do a "svn diff" with a new local file, then apply that patch to a different tree, then -R that patch, it doesn't remove the new file, just makes it empty. |
| 13:05:23 | GodEater | so we should definitely move to git ;) |
| 13:05:55 | linuxstb | Also, is there any way to make SVN checkout files with the real timestamps? At least for me, it seems to give files the checkout time. |
| 13:06:22 | GodEater | linuxstb: patch svn ? ;-) *ducks* |
| 13:07:28 | * | linuxstb spots a use-commit-times option |
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| 13:12:32 | amiconn | Bagder, http://www.jens-arnold.net/Rockbox/viewvc-exception.png |
| 13:13:08 | amiconn | It persists, no matter how often I reload |
| 13:14:11 | GodEater | Ctrl-F5 refresh too ? |
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| 13:15:18 | Zagor | amiconn: that is my department. weird that I can't repeat it though. |
| 13:16:08 | Zagor | i gotta go out a bit, will look more later |
| 13:19:16 | amiconn | Weird. Ctrl-F5 did the trick |
| 13:19:36 | * | amiconn wonders what's the difference between this and a normal refresh |
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| 13:20:33 | petur | it forces a refresh |
| 13:20:45 | petur | the normal refresh can use the cache |
| 13:21:26 | Genre9mp3 | refresh that uses the cache doesn't make much sense to me.. :/ |
| 13:21:57 | idnar | refresh forces it to contact the server again |
| 13:22:00 | Mikachu | it usually refreshes page content but not images |
| 13:22:01 | idnar | otherwise it might not even do that |
| 13:22:26 | idnar | but a normal refresh still uses cached content in lieu of downloading it again, if that makes sense based on modification time etc. |
| 13:22:34 | idnar | or something along those lines, anyhow |
| 13:22:51 | idnar | varies from browser to browser too, of course |
| 13:22:53 | Mikachu | the http headers for amiconn's link include |
| 13:22:54 | Mikachu | Expires: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:32:17 GMT |
| 13:22:54 | Mikachu | Cache-Control: max-age=600 |
| 13:23:15 | Mikachu | i'm not sure what that means exactly though :) |
| 13:23:45 | Genre9mp3 | Anyway "Ctrl-F5" is a good trick to know though :) |
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| 13:29:12 | daurnimator | means that the site changes alot |
| 13:29:20 | daurnimator | and don't remember it for more than 10 mins |
| 13:30:05 | Mikachu | so if the browser contacted the server, it should have reloaded the page |
| 13:30:30 | linuxstb | But why did it fail the first time? |
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| 13:32:54 | preglow | browser bug? |
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| 13:33:05 | preglow | what browser was it anyway? |
| 13:33:39 | petur | I've seen things like this with both IE and FF |
| 13:33:59 | petur | I use ctrl-f5 a lot... |
| 13:34:32 | amiconn | preglow: Firefox 2.0.0.1 |
| 13:34:52 | amiconn | on windows |
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| 13:35:40 | linuxstb | preglow: But it looks like a server error originally. The caching is looks like something else. |
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| 13:39:44 | markun | linuxstb: is there a reason for pcm_set_frequency not being implemented for the portalplayers? |
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| 13:42:58 | rp_ | Bagderr: please could you add my user(RenePeinthor) to the twiki group? |
| 13:43:03 | petur | woooo 64GB 1.8" flash drives coming :) http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/01/17/adata_ssd_128gb/ |
| 13:43:56 | linuxstb | markun: No, just not done yet... |
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| 13:44:48 | Genre9mp3 | petur: costing a fortune, too |
| 13:44:58 | petur | probably |
| 13:45:25 | markun | linuxstb: I've added some more freqs to the gigabeat driver, does it look ok? http://130.89.160.166/pcm_freqs.patch |
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| 13:46:45 | Genre9mp3 | petur: After some years we may bid 50$ for 256GB SSDs though... hope my H300 will be in good shape until then ;) |
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| 13:47:40 | GodEater | hahaha -> "In addition, SSDs promise to enhance battery life by a few minutes." |
| 13:47:52 | Genre9mp3 | few minutes? |
| 13:48:01 | DataGhost | lol |
| 13:48:05 | GodEater | omg!! lolz! 4 f3w m1niut3z - mu$t h4v3 it n0w!!! |
| 13:48:29 | linuxstb | markun: You can test by changing the output frequency in Doom to something other than 44.1KHz, and see if you can switch between music and Doom OK. i.e. play music, then Doom, then music etc. |
| 13:48:30 | GodEater | I'd imagine it'd be more than a few |
| 13:48:31 | petur | talking about laptops probably |
| 13:48:33 | DataGhost | it's almost like they mean 'improving the battery life by 100%' |
| 13:48:34 | DataGhost | :P |
| 13:48:49 | linuxstb | markun: I think Doom's "native" output is 22.050KHz. |
| 13:49:23 | Bagderr | rp_: you added now? |
| 13:49:34 | markun | linuxstb: 11.025KHz already worked fine, but I'm not sure if 48KHz etc work |
| 13:49:38 | Bagderr | and why oh why did austriancoder add the page in a non-wiki name... |
| 13:50:08 | pixelma | GodEater: I think your server uses the "faulty" GCC 4.1.1 version, too. It throws the same wrong warnings like lostlogic's (at least this is how I understood the issue). |
| 13:50:42 | GodEater | pixelma: odd - I used rockboxdev.sh |
| 13:50:56 | linuxstb | That's probably your native gcc - for the simulators. |
| 13:51:00 | GodEater | ah yes |
| 13:51:03 | GodEater | probably |
| 13:51:07 | amiconn | yes |
| 13:51:09 | amiconn | native |
| 13:51:12 | rp_ | Bagderr: doesn't look so, can't edit any page |
| 13:51:30 | GodEater | I'll have a look at the gcc version when I get home then |
| 13:51:41 | GodEater | what's the "recommended" simulator one then ? |
| 13:52:04 | Bagderr | rp_: try now |
| 13:52:04 | linuxstb | Probably anything apart from the version you have installed... |
| 13:52:30 | GodEater | hmm |
| 13:52:41 | GodEater | I have 4.1.1_r3 on *this* box |
| 13:52:46 | GodEater | wonder what I have at home |
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| 13:53:30 | GodEater | is it all sim builds? or just particular ones ? |
| 13:53:35 | rp_ | Bagderr: works now, thank you |
| 13:54:12 | GodEater | are you fixing wiki accounts Bagder ? |
| 13:54:27 | linuxstb | GodEater: I can't remember the details. |
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| 13:55:12 | Zagor | amiconn: try the viewvc link now |
| 13:55:34 | linuxstb | markun: Did you try the test_sampr.c plugin? I've just remembered it exists... |
| 13:55:52 | markun | ah, no |
| 13:56:00 | linuxstb | It's in SVN, just add it to SOURCES |
| 13:56:30 | GodEater | hmm - it seems even 4.1.1_r3 generates those warnings |
| 13:56:36 | GodEater | looks like I may have to downgrade |
| 13:56:39 | GodEater | :( |
| 13:57:03 | markun | linuxstb: it's broken, but I'll try to fix it |
| 13:57:15 | amiconn | GodEater: Newer 4.1.1 versions work as well as older ones |
| 13:57:31 | amiconn | Only some 4.1.1 had that bug |
| 13:57:43 | GodEater | amiconn: This is the latest version of gcc in portage though |
| 13:57:51 | amiconn | Really? |
| 13:57:55 | GodEater | yep |
| 13:58:11 | amiconn | The faulty ones were in debian unstable around half a year ago |
| 13:58:20 | GodEater | I'll have to go back to 4.0.x |
| 13:58:21 | amiconn | Long replaced by newer ones |
| 13:58:36 | GodEater | otherwise |
| 13:58:44 | GodEater | I could unmask either 4.2 or 4.3 .... |
| 13:59:05 | GodEater | but they're both hardmasked though |
| 13:59:14 | GodEater | so I suspect they're very broken indeed |
| 13:59:23 | GodEater | otherwise they'd just be keyword masked |
| 13:59:28 | * | GodEater goes to read why |
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| 14:00:26 | GodEater | GCC snapshots; use with extreme care and only report bugs if you have a patch |
| 14:00:38 | GodEater | well that's not terribly descriptive |
| 14:04:01 | GodEater | I'll try 4.2 here on this machine, and if it's ok - I'll emerge it at home too |
| 14:05:21 | Zagor | amiconn: can you please test to see if you still get an error on this link? http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/drivers/lcd-16bit.c?r1=12061&r2=12062 |
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| 14:06:20 | GodEater | Zagor: think a Ctrl-F5 in his browser already fixed it |
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| 14:07:00 | Zagor | GodEater: oh? because there was actually an error. oh well. |
| 14:07:13 | Zagor | (error = bad config) |
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| 14:07:54 | GodEater | well that might have been why he got it in the first place I guess |
| 14:08:07 | GodEater | weird how none of the rest of us did though |
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| 14:16:55 | roolku | Zagor: I get an error on diffs now, for example on http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/drivers/lcd-16bit.c?r1=12061&r2=12062 |
| 14:17:08 | roolku | Zagor: message is here: http://www.pastebin.ca/320425 |
| 14:17:57 | markun | linuxstb: how is the plugin supposed to work? I don't get any output why I select a waveform and samplerate |
| 14:18:17 | Zagor | roolku: try again now |
| 14:18:20 | linuxstb | markun: I've no idea. You need to ask jhMikeS |
| 14:18:30 | preglow | it's supposed to play a sustained tone |
| 14:18:36 | markun | linuxstb: I made these changes http://130.89.160.166/test_sampr.diff |
| 14:21:32 | roolku | Zagor: works fine. thank you. Now there are just those left: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/bootloader/bootsplash-gigabeat.h?r1=12049&r2=12050 |
| 14:22:24 | Zagor | roolku: well... there is no such file in svn. |
| 14:23:30 | amiconn | Zagor: The file was removed in that commit |
| 14:23:53 | amiconn | It looks like newly added files and deleted files need special handling |
| 14:24:27 | Zagor | yes. but that's an issue for the front-page table (i.e. Bagder), not for viewvc. |
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| 14:27:15 | markun | linuxstb, preglow: I forgot to add HW_SAMPR_CAPS to the gigabeat config, maybe that will fix it |
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| 14:34:04 | markun | strange, I can hear a click when I change the frequency, but that's all |
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| 15:07:57 | bradley | i have a 4GB nano and want to try this as it sounds brilliant |
| 15:08:28 | bradley | the only issue is that if something goes wrong - can i restore the nano back exactly as it was when i first bought it? |
| 15:08:28 | Mikachu | is it a first gen? |
| 15:09:17 | bradley | Mikachu, how can i tell - isn't the new 8GB models the 'second' gen? |
| 15:09:26 | GodEater | bradley: is it all metal ? |
| 15:09:40 | GodEater | or does it have a plastic front and a metal back |
| 15:09:57 | Galois | look at the small end. If it looks like (−−−−−−) then it's second gen. If it looks like [−−−−−−] then it's first gen. |
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| 15:10:19 | GodEater | nice ascii art there |
| 15:11:25 | Galois | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:KoolgiyBlackNano.JPG first gen |
| 15:11:34 | Galois | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:8GBipodnano.JPG second gen |
| 15:12:09 | GodEater | obviously this was a difficult question |
| 15:12:22 | Mikachu | maybe something came up! |
| 15:13:02 | bradley | ok ill check. thanks! |
| 15:13:15 | bradley | sorry - i had to get it |
| 15:13:32 | Mikachu | if it's rounded, you're out of luck |
| 15:13:53 | GodEater | not that you could break it trying to install rockbox on it |
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| 15:14:00 | GodEater | ipodpatcher would refuse to work |
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| 15:17:39 | bradley | ok.. |
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| 15:18:38 | bradley | my ipod looks like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:KoolgiyBlackNano.JPG . The corners are rounded (unlike http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:8GBipodnano.JPG) |
| 15:19:37 | bradley | Model MA107J |
| 15:20:12 | bradley | i bought it 6 or so months before the recently release 8GB models |
| 15:20:53 | Mikachu | then it should work fine |
| 15:21:12 | Mikachu | i guess just saying rounded is a bit ambiguous :) sorry |
| 15:21:34 | Mikachu | and to answer your question, yes you can |
| 15:21:37 | GodEater | and in answer to your first question - yes you can uninstall rockbox if you decide you don't like it |
| 15:21:48 | GodEater | Mikachu: curse your faster fingers ;) |
| 15:21:56 | Mikachu | i picked a shorter sentence |
| 15:22:03 | GodEater | faster brain then |
| 15:25:21 | bradley | ok cheers |
| 15:25:33 | bradley | well then - ill give it a go! |
| 15:26:36 | bradley | id love to play my music lossless |
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| 15:27:35 | bradley | where can i find a list of the audio it supports - and do i use itunes or other software to put music on it? |
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| 15:29:25 | bradley | hello again |
| 15:29:37 | bradley | where can i find a list of the audio it supports - and do i use itunes or other software to put music on it? |
| 15:29:39 | bradley | where can i find a list of the audio it supports - and do i use itunes or other software to put music on it? |
| 15:29:40 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK bradley |
| 15:29:40 | bradley | where can i find a list of the audio it supports - and do i use itunes or other software to put music on it? |
| 15:29:41 | bradley | where can i find a list of the audio it supports - and do i use itunes or other software to put music on it? |
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| 15:29:41 | bradley | where can i find a list of the audio it supports - and do i use itunes or other software to put music on it? |
| 15:29:45 | DataGhost | bye |
| 15:29:54 | bradley | ow sorry about that |
| 15:30:33 | Bagderr | bradley: the SoundCodecs wiki page |
| 15:30:40 | GodEater | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs |
| 15:30:47 | DataGhost | lucky there are no ops around |
| 15:31:00 | bradley | im using the web client and it didnt paste into the typing area first but went straight to the window - id didn't look my apologies gents |
| 15:31:00 | Bagderr | and you can use i-tunes or other means to transfer music |
| 15:31:05 | GodEater | and you just drag and drop the files onto the iPod - no need for iTunes |
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| 15:31:26 | GodEater | although as Bagder says - there's nothing stopping you continuing to use iTunes either |
| 15:31:46 | GodEater | just make sure you read the manual - particularly the Database section |
| 15:31:59 | GodEater | otherwise you'll be back here later asking "Where's all my music gone?" |
| 15:32:07 | bradley | GodEater, oh thats a feature id love as well - i remember being peeved at not being able to do that with the ipod - unlike other players |
| 15:32:11 | GodEater | in which case you owe us all $50 each |
| 15:32:17 | GodEater | :) |
| 15:32:17 | DataGhost | :) |
| 15:32:20 | DataGhost | that would be great |
| 15:32:25 | LinusN | has anyone found a nice way to detect if the ipod has 2048-byte logical sectors or not? |
| 15:32:37 | GodEater | from the 'pod itself ? |
| 15:32:39 | bradley | hell, and theres alot of people here |
| 15:32:40 | DataGhost | o'reilly book about 'understanding the linux kernel' costs just about that GodEater :P |
| 15:32:50 | LinusN | GodEater: yes |
| 15:33:11 | bradley | funny you should mention that book as i have it here on my shelf |
| 15:33:13 | GodEater | words 117-118 I think |
| 15:33:18 | Chegel | ÝÉ |
| 15:33:19 | GodEater | gotta run - bbiab |
| 15:33:21 | LinusN | i want to detect the sector size to adapt the fat code |
| 15:33:24 | Chegel | òóò ðóñêèå åñòü? |
| 15:33:29 | DataGhost | hm.. I was going to suggest reading the fat32 partition header |
| 15:33:41 | Chegel | ÐÓÑÑ-ÊÈ-Å!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:33:41 | GodEater | I'll check it against my 60Gb identify info later |
| 15:33:44 | DataGhost | but seeing that it doesn't work at all yet I don't think that's going to work |
| 15:33:51 | DataGhost | or can you read the header LinusN? |
| 15:33:58 | LinusN | GodEater: those words won't help me |
| 15:34:02 | DataGhost | because the sector size is defined as 2048 bytes in there |
| 15:34:08 | pixelma | Chegel: you have to use english here - check your keyboard setting too |
| 15:34:12 | bradley | cheers godeater |
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| 15:34:43 | LinusN | DataGhost: reading the header is one way |
| 15:34:47 | bradley | yes ill read that manual |
| 15:35:06 | DataGhost | that's just as far as my knowledge goes at this moment :) |
| 15:35:07 | LinusN | where is the header? |
| 15:35:12 | DataGhost | but still the only 'real' thing I saw |
| 15:35:16 | DataGhost | eh. first bytes of the partition |
| 15:35:23 | DataGhost | offset 0xb 2 bytes |
| 15:35:32 | DataGhost | wait |
| 15:35:34 | pixelma | bradley: maybe this is interesting too for you http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
| 15:35:47 | DataGhost | http://dataghost.com/stukschijf.bin LinusN |
| 15:35:52 | DataGhost | at 0x5000 the partition starts |
| 15:35:54 | LinusN | but how can i find the partition if i don't know the sector size? |
| 15:36:03 | DataGhost | hm. heh. |
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| 15:36:13 | DataGhost | I thought you just tried to multiply those values until you saw something logical |
| 15:36:24 | LinusN | that's what we do today, yes |
| 15:36:30 | amiconn | LinusN: Why do you want to adapt the fat code to 2048byte fat sectors? It alreeady handles those |
| 15:36:52 | LinusN | amiconn: because it reads and writes one sector at a time |
| 15:36:54 | amiconn | Adapting ata is a different thing though - but that's 1024 byte pyhsic al sectors |
| 15:37:28 | LinusN | i will adapt the fat code to use full 2048 byte sectors |
| 15:37:40 | LinusN | (on the platforms that need it) |
| 15:37:58 | DataGhost | well LinusN since the harddrive doesn't return proper values afaik |
| 15:38:05 | DataGhost | the only way I know is looking in the fat32 partition |
| 15:38:16 | DataGhost | it's not defined in the MBR either |
| 15:38:18 | LinusN | yes, i'll keep the current approach for now |
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| 15:38:29 | Chegel | RUSSIA HERE!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:38:41 | DataGhost | you don't have to shout for long-distance chat Chegel |
| 15:38:46 | LinusN | lol |
| 15:38:46 | DataGhost | not even in russia :) |
| 15:38:49 | lenix | lol |
| 15:39:12 | Chegel | what? |
| 15:39:21 | Chegel | can you say in Russian?)) |
| 15:39:28 | Mikachu | niet |
| 15:39:31 | LinusN | Chegel: never mind |
| 15:39:35 | Chegel | îïà |
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| 15:39:51 | Chegel | Micka4u, ty russkii znaesh'? |
| 15:39:56 | DataGhost | oh dear.. I think he's using babelfish |
| 15:40:00 | LinusN | Chegel: english please |
| 15:40:41 | amiconn | LinusN: What would be the advantage? Imho it's wasting buffer ram and we will probably run into stack problems |
| 15:41:25 | LinusN | the advantage would be KISS and most likely performance |
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| 15:41:36 | amiconn | Slasheri already had code that was sort-of working with 2048 byte sectors at fat level, but it was unstable |
| 15:41:47 | LinusN | i think the ipod can afford a few Kbyte extra stack |
| 15:41:57 | amiconn | (and less kiss than the current solution) |
| 15:42:10 | LinusN | the current solution will not work |
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| 15:42:24 | leftright | i've made some changes to the iriver flashing page, could someone proof read it please http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverFlashing |
| 15:42:28 | LinusN | since 1-sector access is not possible |
| 15:43:19 | leftright | specifically the flashing procedure |
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| 15:43:38 | LinusN | faking 1-sector access in the ata code by using a sector cache is not kiss in my opinion |
| 15:44:18 | LinusN | and wasting a few kilobytes on the 32mbyte ipod will not make any difference |
| 15:45:34 | amiconn | Yes, possibly |
| 15:46:57 | amiconn | But you could check identify info for the ata physical size, and then use _this_ sector size in the fat code |
| 15:47:30 | LinusN | sure, but then i need to allocate the buffers dynamically |
| 15:47:45 | amiconn | nah |
| 15:47:58 | amiconn | You could just allocate a defined maximum |
| 15:48:26 | LinusN | yes of course, and have as many fat_cache entries that would fit in the buffer |
| 15:48:47 | LinusN | but how is that more kiss than using a fixed size? |
| 15:49:31 | amiconn | The drawback of using 2048byte sectors when 1024byte sectors are enough is that there is more overhead for small accesses |
| 15:49:45 | amiconn | ...like tiny files, reading directories and the fat |
| 15:50:08 | | Part Chegel |
| 15:50:27 | amiconn | And the mechanism to handle larger logical sectors by combining physical sectors is already there, and should be kept for all (other targets imho |
| 15:50:37 | LinusN | the fat is cached, so having larger sectors might even increase the cache hit rate |
| 15:50:38 | leftright | hmm, how can one accentuate the "dot" in .rockbox, its soo easy to mistakeit for rockbox on the wiki |
| 15:51:18 | amiconn | LinusN: The hit rate would certainly be higher with e.g. 8*1024byte sectors in the cache than with 4*2048 byte sectors |
| 15:51:24 | leftright | the dot is so darn faint/small^^ |
| 15:51:42 | amiconn | ...at least when there is more than one file open, or the opened file is fragmented |
| 15:51:45 | Mikachu | leftright: use a monospace font? |
| 15:51:54 | LinusN | amiconn: yes, perhaps |
| 15:53:00 | amiconn | If you use a fixed size, you will run into problems on the plain G5 |
| 15:53:11 | amiconn | ...and I thought we don't want to split builds |
| 15:53:22 | LinusN | the actual sector size will be calculated |
| 15:53:31 | LinusN | but the buffers will use a fixed size |
| 15:53:43 | amiconn | Then you'll waste buffer... |
| 15:53:58 | LinusN | yes, several kilobytes out of 32 megs |
| 15:54:26 | amiconn | Why not use them? They're allocated anyway |
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| 15:54:46 | LinusN | but i agree that i could make the fat cache use the entire buffer |
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| 15:55:29 | LinusN | or at least most of it, since the cache size has to be a power of 2 at the moment |
| 15:55:58 | | Part kaaloo |
| 15:56:18 | LinusN | i think you have convinced me to use the physical sector size in the fat code |
| 15:57:24 | LinusN | it will be a little more code for the smaller targets, if we don't want lots of #ifdef in the fat code |
| 15:57:36 | amiconn | hmm |
| 15:57:38 | LinusN | since the cache size will be dynamic |
| 15:57:55 | amiconn | The large logical sector support also added some code to all targets |
| 15:57:59 | LinusN | yes |
| 15:58:00 | amiconn | A few hundred bytes |
| 15:58:25 | amiconn | Why does the cache size need to be dynamic? |
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| 15:58:51 | LinusN | amiconn: because you wanted to use the entire cache buffer |
| 15:59:08 | LinusN | and the sector size is dynamic |
| 15:59:21 | amiconn | If it needs to be a power of 2, and ata sectors are also a power of 2, 8KB would give 8 1024-byte sectors or 16 512-byte-sectors |
| 15:59:34 | amiconn | Constant buffer size... |
| 15:59:34 | LinusN | yes, that will probably not be a problem |
| 15:59:52 | LinusN | but the number of cache entries will be dynamic |
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| 16:00:09 | LinusN | so these can no longer be constant: |
| 16:00:10 | LinusN | #define FAT_CACHE_SIZE 0x20 |
| 16:00:11 | LinusN | #define FAT_CACHE_MASK (FAT_CACHE_SIZE-1) |
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| 16:00:29 | amiconn | That's true. But the management struct is fairly small, so reserve it to be sufficient for 512-byte sectors |
| 16:00:45 | amiconn | With 1024-byte sectors, only half of it would be used |
| 16:01:08 | FRiZzO | When I plug my usb adapter in for charge it reboots in an endless loop. |
| 16:01:16 | FRiZzO | is there something I have to change? |
| 16:01:22 | LinusN | amiconn: i think i'll let that be dependent on MAX_SECTOR_SIZE |
| 16:01:33 | FRiZzO | oops, I'm using ipod 5g video |
| 16:01:36 | amiconn | Of course than means the sector buffer itself can't be part of the management struct |
| 16:01:55 | LinusN | but it isn't |
| 16:02:10 | LinusN | static char fat_cache_sectors[FAT_CACHE_SIZE][SECTOR_SIZE]; |
| 16:02:10 | LinusN | static struct fat_cache_entry fat_cache[FAT_CACHE_SIZE]; |
| 16:02:13 | amiconn | even better - no change required here |
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| 16:02:48 | LinusN | we could even allocate it with buffer_alloc if we wanted to |
| 16:02:48 | amiconn | fat_cache_sectors must be reserved differently |
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| 16:03:23 | amiconn | SECTOR_SIZE is always 512, so the allocation itself could be kept, but then the addressing must change |
| 16:04:57 | LinusN | i think we would want a larger cache on the larger hard drives |
| 16:05:20 | amiconn | Hmm, the ata driver could have a function that returns the physical sector size of the drive |
| 16:05:21 | LinusN | or at least not smaller than the smaller drives |
| 16:05:27 | LinusN | amiconn: yes, it will |
| 16:05:32 | midgey | amiconn: which function am i leaking slots in? i used the code from wormlet as an example so that plugin may be leaking as well |
| 16:06:54 | amiconn | midgey: in tidy_lcd_menu(), rb->menu_exit(loc); is never executed, because you return from within the switch() |
| 16:07:04 | LinusN | time for me to go |
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| 16:20:02 | Febs | FRiZzO: hold Menu as you insert the USB cable. |
| 16:20:26 | Stalwart | cool, svn frontend seems to work fine now |
| 16:23:36 | GodEater | did we come up with a method of finding the physical / logical sector size ? |
| 16:24:00 | GodEater | or is it no longer relevant ? |
| 16:26:33 | Stalwart | GodEater: fdisk probably? |
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| 16:31:10 | XavierGr | "svn diff > file" will make a diff on my current source checkout right? |
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| 16:35:53 | austriancoder | XavierGr: jep |
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| 16:37:13 | XavierGr | thanks it worked :) |
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| 16:38:52 | midgey | amiconn: does this solution appear to work correctly? |
| 16:38:55 | midgey | http://www.pastebin.ca/320527 |
| 16:39:18 | midgey | top part is the patch and the bottom is the resulting function |
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| 16:42:00 | XavierGr | damn it the spc patch doesn't work realtime for H100 |
| 16:42:07 | XavierGr | (and H300) |
| 16:42:17 | midgey | its because there's floating point in it |
| 16:42:38 | XavierGr | who is the author of it? hcs or the zsnes guy? |
| 16:42:45 | midgey | hcs i think |
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| 16:43:56 | GodEater | Stalwart: we need to do it dynamically in rockbox |
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| 16:46:19 | amiconn | midgey: No it won't work properly |
| 16:46:20 | hcs | it is a port from Game_Music_Emu by blargg, by me |
| 16:46:45 | hcs | it really doesn't use much floating point at all, but I haven't even begun trying to improve speed yet |
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| 16:46:50 | amiconn | Changing loc and then calling menu_exit with the changed value doesn't sound like a good idea... |
| 16:47:07 | XavierGr | hcs:nice work, it runs steadily but very slow on H100/H300 |
| 16:47:07 | midgey | good point... |
| 16:47:26 | XavierGr | so are you going to optimize it? Is there room for any optimization? |
| 16:47:34 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 16:47:34 | * | amiconn wonders why so many menus have an explicit "exit" item |
| 16:47:47 | hcs | I honestly haven't studied it too closely, I'm sure there is room for improvement |
| 16:47:51 | midgey | avoid confusion for the user maybe? |
| 16:47:54 | linuxstb | Doesn't that mean "exit plugin" ? |
| 16:48:06 | amiconn | One can always leave the menu with Left, or Stop, or the equivalent of Stop depending on target |
| 16:48:37 | XavierGr | hcs: I hate (jealous) of all the new Gigabeat users with the 300Mhz CPU!! :P |
| 16:48:47 | hcs | :) |
| 16:48:48 | amiconn | Then it would be possible to use menu_run() instead of menu_show(), and things become easier... |
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| 16:49:08 | XavierGr | hcs: Is nfs realtime for all SW targets? |
| 16:49:20 | hcs | XavierGr: I got NSF down from too slow to faster than MP3 on iPod, so I'd think it is possible |
| 16:49:35 | XavierGr | nice |
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| 16:50:11 | hcs | tracks using the N106 still don't run realtime on anything but the gigabeat |
| 16:50:30 | XavierGr | I should try NSF too |
| 16:50:38 | hcs | everything else runs fine on anything I've heard of people testing it on |
| 16:50:55 | midgey | XavierGr: nsf has about a 10% boost ratio on my h320 |
| 16:51:08 | XavierGr | that's very nice |
| 16:51:24 | XavierGr | though I am not a NES guy :P |
| 16:51:35 | XavierGr | All my childhood memories are with SNES |
| 16:51:37 | markun | XavierGr: yes, rockbox runs quite nice on the gigabeat :) |
| 16:52:00 | XavierGr | I should get one, but these machines are rare from what I've heard |
| 16:52:36 | markun | XavierGr: they are a little less rare in australia |
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| 16:52:49 | hcs | I got mine refurbished from overstock.com |
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| 16:53:38 | perl|work | if theres a country full of all models of gigabeats its australia |
| 16:53:54 | XavierGr | I wonder why |
| 16:54:01 | perl|work | they even have the X models on au official gigabeat site |
| 16:54:08 | XavierGr | it seems that the Gigabeat is quite nice in DAP terms |
| 16:54:14 | XavierGr | almost as nice as an H100/H300 :P |
| 16:54:28 | perl|work | gigabeat X is the best player ever made |
| 16:54:33 | perl|work | in my opinion |
| 16:54:36 | w1ll14m | the weather is freakin here...... |
| 16:54:41 | midgey | amiconn: is this better? http://www.pastebin.ca/320534 |
| 16:54:50 | XavierGr | perl: does it have USBOTG? |
| 16:54:54 | midgey | i have to go to class, so i'll read about it in the logs |
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| 16:55:37 | w1ll14m | DataGhost: are you there? |
| 16:55:52 | markun | perl|work: I think it depends on what you do with it, it has no recording for example |
| 16:56:30 | markun | XavierGr: it has a USB host and USB device controller, but 1.1 though.. |
| 16:56:44 | XavierGr | markun: like H300 I guess |
| 16:57:12 | markun | XavierGr: from what I understand USBOTG is different |
| 16:57:18 | perl|work | markun i agree, it doesnt have every feature possible but its well balanced and with rockbox its just great |
| 16:57:51 | markun | XavierGr: you can only connect 1 device to a USBOTG port for example |
| 16:58:29 | markun | perl|work: when we get some dock connectors to play with we can add digital audio in and out |
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| 16:59:25 | perl|work | markun ha, it only gets better |
| 16:59:53 | * | amiconn thinks working with such a powerful cpu is just boring |
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| 17:00:36 | markun | XavierGr: http://www.usb.org/developers/onthego/USB_OTG_Intro.pdf |
| 17:01:01 | markun | amiconn: I'm glad there are rockbox targets with slower ARMs or we wouldn't see any optimizations |
| 17:02:55 | preglow | so there's something good about the ipods after all |
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| 17:03:17 | GodEater | someone should send amiconn a Karma - now *there's* a slow ARM |
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| 17:03:44 | * | amiconn expects more opts from the AV3xx port - if that ever gets up to speed |
| 17:03:57 | * | amiconn looks at linuxstb, and mentions the Elio port |
| 17:04:00 | * | amiconn hides ;) |
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| 17:05:16 | preglow | hrm |
| 17:05:17 | tchan | Is it still true that what the rockbox-ipod wiki's say about ipod accessory support −− namely that nothing works yet? Like docking an ipod into a station that has speakers ? |
| 17:05:36 | preglow | tchan: correct, afaik |
| 17:05:50 | preglow | the accessories are documented about as well as the main ipod hardware |
| 17:05:52 | preglow | that is, not at all |
| 17:05:53 | GodEater | I thought it they used simple line out they did work ? |
| 17:06:00 | GodEater | s/it/if |
| 17:06:02 | hcs | tchan: I know the bose sounddock my father has worked, probably just uses a line out |
| 17:06:02 | preglow | well, sure |
| 17:06:12 | preglow | but not if they use the port |
| 17:06:46 | hcs | (a line out on the bottom connector), and it was getting power, too |
| 17:07:11 | tchan | isn't the "port" the bottom apple connector ? And isn't that where line out comes from ? |
| 17:07:11 | Juice^ | I loved the last post on sansa porting support :)) |
| 17:07:19 | tchan | oops, I'm too slow typing |
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| 17:07:32 | preglow | well, the line out probably works, but that's probably that too |
| 17:07:38 | amiconn | hcs: Power is enabled in rockbox afaik. But everything that uses serial communication doesn't work |
| 17:07:39 | preglow | we don't need to do anything special to support that |
| 17:08:05 | tchan | okay, thanks |
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| 17:08:19 | perl|work | seriously, who uses ipod accessories? |
| 17:08:32 | hcs | amiconn: yeah, I'm familiar with that, it's just that any other way to connect the ipod for charging kicks in the usb reboot |
| 17:09:04 | tchan | well I have a dock in my car. One of the reasons I wanted to get an ipod and then run rockbox on it for ogg/flac |
| 17:09:08 | amiconn | That's a different thing |
| 17:09:27 | amiconn | We don't detect usb properly, and mistake a charger for a real usb port |
| 17:09:58 | hcs | mmhmm, just pointing out that this device provides power but not usb |
| 17:10:00 | amiconn | So rockbox thinks "usb" and reboots into diskmode, but diskmode sees no connection and reboots into rockbox etc |
| 17:10:34 | linuxstb | I need to see if barrywardell's USB test plugin can give us any clues about that. |
| 17:11:37 | tchan | are there any areas in the iPod todolist that newbies can work on ? Or does everything there need proprietary Apple specsheets ?? |
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| 17:12:03 | jackfusion | Hi all |
| 17:12:06 | linuxstb | tchan: Have you looked at the todo list? |
| 17:12:38 | jackfusion | How do I stop my ipod from shuuting down on its own? |
| 17:12:53 | jackfusion | It shuts down when I am reading on it. |
| 17:13:30 | linuxstb | You mean it turns off? |
| 17:13:43 | jackfusion | yup |
| 17:13:53 | linuxstb | So you're in the text viewer? |
| 17:13:58 | jackfusion | it says hutting down. |
| 17:14:00 | jackfusion | yup |
| 17:14:04 | tchan | linuxstb: yes -> rolo, recording, cop usage, battery life, accessory support, dma, ata, usb, firewire all seem like one would need apple specsheets.... |
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| 17:15:41 | GodEater | other than supporting the 80GB - what else needs doing with ATA ? |
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| 17:15:43 | linuxstb | Yes, but that's the challenge of the ipod port... The ATA optimisation I mention there just needs ARM assembler skills. |
| 17:15:44 | amiconn | linuxstb: Would be very nice if we could also detect firewire |
| 17:15:54 | amiconn | I don't know where to get such a cable |
| 17:15:54 | GodEater | ah THAT bit of ATA ;) |
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| 17:16:34 | hcs | amiconn: if it'd be helpful I'd be glad to send you one |
| 17:16:49 | hcs | or someone else interested in working on it |
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| 17:17:37 | amiconn | hcs: I'd need a cable with the small firewire plug. My laptop has an appropriate socket |
| 17:18:04 | tchan | linuxstb: I have some time, I wouldn't mind trying some ARM assembler, but its been a real loooong time since my assembler days. Is the ata optimisation task in svn somewhere ? |
| 17:18:10 | hcs | amiconn: I have one that I don't use, would you like it? |
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| 17:18:23 | hcs | oh, nvm, it is the large plug |
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| 17:18:29 | hcs | still firewire,though |
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| 17:19:41 | amiconn | linuxstb, jackfusion: This is a long-standing bug on all ipods. Using the wheel doesn't reset the user activity timer |
| 17:19:50 | amiconn | Very annoying in sudoku... |
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| 17:20:50 | jackfusion | how would u reset the user activity timer? |
| 17:21:35 | amiconn | That's in the rockbox code |
| 17:21:47 | amiconn | Using buttons does reset the timer, but the wheel does not |
| 17:21:56 | hcs | disconnecting the headphones doesn't reset it either, from what I can see, so when you have it set to pause on that and you haven't touched it in a while sometimes it'll turn off |
| 17:21:58 | Mikachu | would it be expensive to call it on every touch event? |
| 17:22:23 | amiconn | So rockbox "thinks" you're not actively using it when you only use the wheel, and shuts down after the set poweroff timeout |
| 17:22:40 | Mikachu | hcs: uh, that's sort of a feature i think? it's on pause andyou're not using it... |
| 17:22:56 | Mikachu | hcs: i almost always rely on that for shutting down |
| 17:23:10 | jackfusion | how do I get rid of the timer |
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| 17:23:44 | hcs | yeah, but if you were listening to music and hit the pause button it'd be reset when you hit pause, when disconnecting the headphones it doesn't register interaction but does recognize idleness and shuts down near-immediately |
| 17:24:00 | Mikachu | ah, you mean in that way |
| 17:24:09 | hcs | (at least this was my experience with an ipod a month or so ago) |
| 17:24:37 | jackfusion | or set the timer for a longer time |
| 17:25:19 | amiconn | Ah, that's because the wheel code posts directly to the button queue, instead of returning a button value to button_tick() |
| 17:25:45 | amiconn | jackfusion: It's a bug in the code |
| 17:25:52 | jackfusion | oh ok |
| 17:26:17 | hcs | jackfusion: General Settings -> System -> Idle Poweroff -> Off if you want to totally disable that |
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| 17:26:20 | amiconn | The wheel code needs to call reset_poweroff_timer() every time it posts a wheel event |
| 17:27:28 | amiconn | That'd be in button-clickwheel.c and button-mini1g.c |
| 17:27:47 | amiconn | I'll fix that tonight if nobody beats me to it |
| 17:28:10 | linuxstb | amiconn: Would something like this suit you? http://shop.ipodworld.co.uk/iPodWorldSite/product/all_iPods_Cables%20and%20Adaptors/SS01/SendStation_PocketDock_Combo.htm - it gives you standard USB B and Firewire sockets. |
| 17:28:16 | jackfusion | thatnk u for ur help every one |
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| 17:28:37 | hcs | I find that whenever I do disable idle poweroff I wind up expecting it to work anyway and leave it paused, and the battery runs out |
| 17:29:31 | jackfusion | pretty much the only thing I do on my ipod is read. |
| 17:29:54 | hcs | I may be doing some profiling for the SPC player later today, for now off to class. |
| 17:30:07 | jackfusion | dose rockbox play videos? |
| 17:30:10 | amiconn | linuxstb: I would still need a cable. |
| 17:30:27 | amiconn | I don't have any firewire capable equipment apart from the laptop and the ipod |
| 17:30:29 | n1s | jackfusion: see PluginMpegplayer in the wiki |
| 17:30:43 | jackfusion | ok thank u |
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| 17:37:41 | Mikachu | amiconn: this should do it right? http://mikachu.ath.cx/patches/rockbox_wheel_resets_inactivity.patch |
| 17:38:04 | jackfusion | How can I use the orignal firmware with out getting rid of rockbox? |
| 17:38:23 | DataGhost | w1ll14m yes |
| 17:38:43 | amiconn | Mikachu: Yes. Does it compile w/o warning? |
| 17:39:09 | Febs | jackfusion, if you have the most recent bootloader, you can boot the ipod firmware by turning the ipod on and then immediately switching the hold switch on. |
| 17:39:17 | Mikachu | i'm compiling now |
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| 17:39:53 | Febs | To tell if you have the most recent bootloader, turn the ipod on. If you see light text on a dark background, it's the new bootloader. |
| 17:40:13 | Febs | If you see dark text on a light background as the player boots, you have the older bootloader. |
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| 17:40:59 | amiconn | Febs: Depends on the ipod. |
| 17:41:14 | amiconn | On the greyscale ipods, you can't tell from the bootloader text |
| 17:41:19 | Mikachu | amiconn: the clickwheel one does, so i guess it's fairly safe to assume mini1g will too |
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| 17:41:49 | Mikachu | amiconn: they have the exact same #include's too |
| 17:42:16 | amiconn | linuxstb: I can get an ipod->firewqire cable from amazon germany for 8€ and a 6pin->4pin adapter for 2.90€ |
| 17:43:14 | Febs | For some reason I thought he said he had a 5g, but perhaps I imagined that. Jackfusion, which ipod is it? |
| 17:43:31 | Febs | Never mind, he's gone. |
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| 18:00:59 | sirixlancelot | hi. anyone there who is familiar with archos JBR v2? |
| 18:02:27 | linuxstb | Best to just ask your question and see. |
| 18:04:03 | sirixlancelot | i have the following problem: the player does not turn on (no reaction at all) and with power or USB connected it just goes click,click, click |
| 18:04:25 | sirixlancelot | basically, the problem is exactly the same as described in http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2004-06/0233.shtm |
| 18:04:46 | sirixlancelot | There, it was a problem with the battery, but I cant figure out what to do... |
| 18:06:22 | linuxstb | Can you access the battery? |
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| 18:10:54 | sirixlancelot | yeah |
| 18:10:56 | linuxdante | hey all |
| 18:11:01 | linuxdante | some question again |
| 18:11:06 | linuxdante | how to load an ipod with rockbox on it? |
| 18:11:23 | sirixlancelot | i opened the recorder (including unsoldering the points, where the board is connected to the case) |
| 18:11:47 | linuxdante | if i plug it into the normal power plug it keeps resetting itself, switching to the ipod firmware trying to get mounted and switching back to rockbox |
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| 18:13:59 | sirixlancelot | (i used the last time 2 days ago......since then it was connected to power and usb IIRC) |
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| 18:17:08 | amiconn | sirixlancelot: http://www.angelfire.com/trek/archos/ The information regadring batteries is also valid for recorder fm and v2 |
| 18:18:33 | sirixlancelot | thx, i will check it |
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| 18:19:37 | aarond | blah rockbox on my nano wont play |
| 18:19:52 | n1s | linuxdante: see here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
| 18:20:15 | linuxstb_ | aarond: Won't play what? |
| 18:20:17 | aarond | work really sucked last night |
| 18:20:21 | aarond | anything |
| 18:20:45 | DataGhost | w1ll14m I'm off for a bit, if you still need to speak me just PM so I won't miss it :) |
| 18:21:04 | linuxstb_ | aarond: Describe what you are doing, and exactly what happens. |
| 18:21:14 | aarond | at first it was giving a codec error so I used my friends computer to install the latest, after that it would just sit and do nothing |
| 18:22:46 | linuxdante | n1s: thx lots |
| 18:23:01 | aarond | it looks like its going to play but it doesnt |
| 18:24:24 | aarond | maybe I just need to do a fresh install? I just installed yesterday |
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| 18:31:53 | linuxstb | aarond: You could also try resetting your settings - turn the hold switch on immediately after you see the Rockbox bootloader (the screen with the white writing on a black background) appear when you start your ipod. |
| 18:32:39 | aarond | ok |
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| 18:34:28 | amiconn | linuxstb: Doesn't that boot the of? |
| 18:34:54 | n1s | it's all about timing |
| 18:34:56 | linuxstb | The hold switch is checked at the very start of the bootloader. |
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| 18:35:16 | amiconn | k |
| 18:35:17 | linuxstb | So you have about a second or two before Rockbox loads. |
| 18:35:36 | aarond | it said cleared, then it wouldnt unlock |
| 18:37:15 | aarond | wow I connected it again and disconnected it and it started up with apple firmware and locked and wont unlock |
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| 18:39:59 | aarond | how can you unlock an ipod? |
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| 18:42:11 | linuxstb | You're saying the ipod thinks the hold switch is on, but it is off? |
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| 18:43:04 | aarond | yeah, I can only use my remote |
| 18:43:11 | midgey | amiconn: i think i have a real solution this time (i hope you ignored my last attempt...) |
| 18:43:17 | midgey | http://www.pastebin.ca/320616 |
| 18:44:16 | linuxdante | is there any button to turn backlight off/on? |
| 18:45:39 | linuxstb | linuxdante: Any button turns it on (or just touching the wheel), but there is no button to turn it off. |
| 18:45:44 | aarond | darn this sucks |
| 18:45:49 | linuxstb | It's turns off via a timeout. |
| 18:46:15 | linuxstb | aarond: Does holding MENU+SELECT work? |
| 18:47:15 | aarond | no |
| 18:47:26 | sirixlancelot | hmm....i will resolder the board to the case now and hope it will work.....wasnt really much to do except to bend the battery contacts a bit... |
| 18:47:27 | sirixlancelot | hm.. |
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| 18:48:26 | aarond | maybe I just have to wait for it to shutdown |
| 18:49:49 | linuxdante | linuxstb: ok then... thanks |
| 18:49:57 | linuxstb | aarond: Is it still under warranty? |
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| 18:50:31 | aarond | dont think so |
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| 18:50:50 | aarond | actually I have a replacement plan for best buy |
| 18:51:40 | aarond | I think when it starts back up it will be fine |
| 18:52:11 | linuxstb | You can make it reboot by modifying the firmware partition from your PC. |
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| 18:55:58 | aarond | Im just going to wait :) |
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| 18:58:57 | linuxstb | aarond: Turn the backlight on and play music... |
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| 19:01:28 | aarond | how? |
| 19:01:30 | aarond | :) |
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| 19:02:27 | linuxstb | I thought you said the remote worked? |
| 19:03:23 | aarond | yeah I can play and pause |
| 19:03:44 | aarond | and next and forward but there is only a podcast on it |
| 19:04:15 | aarond | its a griffin radio/remote |
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| 19:16:19 | aarond | how long does it usually take? like an hour? |
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| 19:23:01 | perl|work | what a waste |
| 19:23:03 | perl|work | http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/01/iphone_widescreen_cropping.jpg |
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| 19:30:16 | rp- | somehow the configure script doesn't work, i use cygwin and already built rockbox, but before you changed to svn |
| 19:30:18 | rp- | http://rafb.net/p/lIPR4o68.html |
| 19:30:50 | rp- | any idea? |
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| 19:32:19 | sneakums | rp-: are you using ubuntu? |
| 19:32:24 | sneakums | oh, cygwin, doh |
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| 19:32:42 | sneakums | rp-: how about if you run it by doing "bash ../tools/configure"? |
| 19:33:01 | rp- | same |
| 19:33:18 | sneakums | that's pretty weird |
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| 19:33:19 | rp- | very strange |
| 19:34:59 | pixelma | rp-: which svn package so you have? (someone reported problems with configure - he had svn 1.3.1 and an upgrade to 1.4.2 helped |
| 19:35:07 | pixelma | *do |
| 19:36:00 | rp- | hm i use tortoiseSVN which is build against 1.4.2, but i will try the cygwin svn client |
| 19:36:43 | pixelma | ah tortoiseSVN was another story... there's an extra wiki page about it... |
| 19:37:36 | pixelma | maybe you can find something here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCygwinAndTortoiseSVN |
| 19:37:42 | Llorean | From the pastebin it looks like a line ending issue. |
| 19:37:57 | Llorean | Which would be the problem that tortoiseSVN causes with Cygwin |
| 19:38:15 | Llorean | You can just set Cygwin to use windows style line endings and things should work from there. |
| 19:38:22 | pixelma | yes that reminded me of what petur described... |
| 19:38:31 | rp- | ah ok, i will try |
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| 19:39:38 | rp- | thank you, problem fixed |
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| 19:42:14 | sirixlancelot | @linuxstb/amiconn: i reassembled the JBR up to resoldering the board to the case...if i push the battery lid against the battery to try it, it ticks slower than before (hm..lets say 3 times in two seconds) and now the green led is flashing.. |
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| 19:43:25 | ogami1972 | hello all- am looking for any tips re: 4G Ipod/itrip- any one got it working without opening the itrip? |
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| 19:56:33 | leftright | Febs |
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| 19:57:49 | leftright | Slasheri ...ping |
| 19:59:05 | * | leftright wonders where everyone is |
| 19:59:13 | leftright | petur ping |
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| 20:01:03 | leftright | anyone that is familiar with iriver's flashing procedure around ? |
| 20:01:28 | leftright | and no i dont want to know how to do it :> |
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| 20:02:19 | kubiix | hi, anybody know if the frequency scaling bug on ipod photo is fixed ? |
| 20:03:20 | dan_a | kubiix: Not yet |
| 20:03:48 | kubiix | thanx |
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| 20:07:01 | aarond | I just want to unlock my ipod |
| 20:09:06 | aarond | damn I think its hardware |
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| 20:09:59 | Mikachu | have you tried unplugging the remote thing? |
| 20:11:12 | aarond | yeah Im sure Ive done it all, its screwed |
| 20:11:18 | aarond | Ive never even locked it before |
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| 20:11:41 | leftright | Llorean |
| 20:11:52 | Llorean | aarond: What exactly do you mean by "locked" |
| 20:11:54 | Llorean | leftright: Aye? |
| 20:12:14 | aarond | its on Hold |
| 20:12:24 | aarond | buttons cant be used |
| 20:12:32 | Llorean | aarond: Then flip the hold switch to the other direction... |
| 20:12:44 | aarond | thanks |
| 20:12:45 | leftright | would you mind proof reading the instructions for iriver flashing at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverFlashing specifically from, "Replacing the original firmware please |
| 20:13:46 | aarond | too bad that wont work |
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| 20:14:13 | leftright | Llorean, i made some changes to wording and format |
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| 20:15:01 | Llorean | aarond: Is red showing in the hold switch? |
| 20:15:19 | aarond | oh well, I'll try to find my best buy plan and hope I dont end up with a second gen nano because I have a otterbox case for this one |
| 20:15:33 | sirixlancelot | yeehaw...seems to be back to life...at least i get a loading symbol now... |
| 20:15:33 | sirixlancelot | thx |
| 20:15:44 | aarond | and I tried putting a second gen nano in it already and it wont fit |
| 20:16:04 | aarond | but at least I would have gapless playback with apples firmware |
| 20:16:19 | Llorean | leftright: Looks good to me. I've not done the process, but the instructions seem easy enough to follow and nothing seemed confusing. |
| 20:16:45 | leftright | ok thats fine, thank you |
| 20:16:52 | Llorean | aarond: If you don't actually care about trying to resolve your problem, would you mind not just rambling on about nothing in the channel? |
| 20:17:06 | aarond | whatever |
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| 20:21:27 | ogami1972 | well, if it hasn't worked yet (itrip) is anybody working on it that i might be able to help? |
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| 20:22:06 | Llorean | ogami1972: Nobody's working on it, but you could always start work. |
| 20:23:04 | ogami1972 | am checking feature requests- i know nothing about how to go about it, but i will try... |
| 20:24:17 | ogami1972 | ok- no dice- any developers who can point me towrds the first step? |
| 20:28:34 | Llorean | Well, what is known about the related hardware is documented in our and iPodLinux's wiki. If the iTrip needs to use the accessory protocol on later iPods, unfortunately there's not too much information. So the first step would be to try to figure out how to get the serial port working. |
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| 20:32:59 | Nico_P | wow kdevelop is really impressive |
| 20:33:13 | Nico_P | anyone using it with rockbox ? |
| 20:36:22 | ogami1972 | right Llorean - have read upon the forum posts,read the blog about modding itrip, and joined the developers mailing list. i don't even have a car, so i'll just use my nano when on the road w/ friends |
| 20:36:28 | ogami1972 | thanks |
| 20:37:47 | ogami1972 | ( in my zeal i erased the firmware from my 4G, and then reloaded my music correctly, so booting apple no longer an option) |
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| 20:41:53 | ogami1972 | just out of curiosity, and since no one else seems to be talking- i would like to ask: what percentage of rockbox users are linux users on their PC's? |
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| 20:43:29 | sneakums | ogami1972: i use linux on my powerbook, if that counts |
| 20:44:55 | ogami1972 | mm-hmm...maybe it's a particular type of person that likes alt OS- btw Llorean , i waited until rockbox/ipodlinux were really being talked about, then bought an old ipod so icould play with it(in response to your forum poll) |
| 20:47:44 | DataGhost | ogami1972 I actually use linux and windows at the same time |
| 20:47:52 | DataGhost | however I use linux a little bit more for servertasks |
| 20:48:11 | DataGhost | hmmm no that didn't come out right |
| 20:48:24 | ogami1972 | (i'm not going to get in trouble for meta-discussing am i?) ;) |
| 20:48:25 | DataGhost | I use linux mainly for my servers |
| 20:48:37 | DataGhost | windows for my desktops, however mixed with linux (but as secondary OS) |
| 20:48:48 | DataGhost | I don't know |
| 20:48:55 | DataGhost | I've only been around here for a couple of days.. :P |
| 20:49:38 | ogami1972 | xp for "ableton live" only, everything else is linux (2 desktops, 1 laptop) |
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| 20:50:13 | Galois | I use linux and windows in xen |
| 20:51:02 | ogami1972 | I will leave now as i am no longer on topic ( i do that)- thanks to all developers- i have been using rockbox about 4 days now and couldn't be happier (until itrip works) |
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| 20:51:44 | Nico_P | Galois: is it possible to use USB devices in windows through xen ? (my H320 isn't recognised in linux but it is in winXP) |
| 20:51:59 | spug | it should be recognized in linux |
| 20:52:13 | spug | and if it's not, something is amiss :| what distro and kernel version are you running? |
| 20:52:26 | Galois | I've never tried it myself |
| 20:52:46 | Nico_P | spug: there are I/O errors which prevent it from ever being mounted |
| 20:52:50 | Galois | I agree an H320 should obviously be recognized in linux. It might help to rmmod ehci-hcd |
| 20:52:53 | Nico_P | i have kubuntu |
| 20:53:08 | Galois | I've had versions of linux that failed to recognize my ipod |
| 20:53:17 | spug | then it definitely should be recognized |
| 20:53:27 | Galois | if you rmmod ehci-hcd, then it works again |
| 20:53:34 | Galois | in fact, it works even if you rmmod and then modprobe ehci-hcd |
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| 20:54:05 | Nico_P | that sounds interesting, but i'll give you the exact error message i get in kern.log |
| 20:54:09 | Galois | the best solution would be to upgrade to a distro that works. I've never had problems with fedora core 5 or 6. |
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| 20:56:12 | Nico_P | Buffer I/O error on device sdc, logical block 152067 |
| 20:56:43 | Galois | is that all?? |
| 20:56:51 | Nico_P | the device never shows up like others usually do and i can't mount it |
| 20:57:03 | Nico_P | Galois: not quite, i'll paste the rest |
| 20:57:58 | Nico_P | sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sdc |
| 20:58:02 | Nico_P | sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 0 |
| 20:58:03 | Nico_P | sd 3:0:0:0: SCSI error: return code = 0x8000002 |
| 20:58:03 | Nico_P | sdc: Current: sense key: Medium Error |
| 20:58:03 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Nico_P |
| 20:58:03 | Nico_P | Additional sense: Unrecovered read error |
| 20:58:03 | Nico_P | end_request: I/O error, dev sdc, sector 1216536 |
| 20:58:03 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 20:58:03 | Nico_P | Buffer I/O error on device sdc, logical block 152067 |
| 20:58:20 | Nico_P | then it goes on showing errors |
| 20:58:52 | Nico_P | i did a lot of unsuccessful research on this |
| 20:59:01 | sneakums | what's the kernel version you're running? |
| 20:59:07 | Galois | I was gonna ask, have you tried other distros |
| 20:59:13 | Nico_P | 2.6.17-10-generic |
| 20:59:25 | Galois | because this kind of thing is highly dependent on the sub-sub-version of the kernel you're running |
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| 20:59:30 | Nico_P | Galois: no, i'm relatively new to linux |
| 20:59:32 | sneakums | hmm, both my h120 and my ipod works okay with 2.6.17 |
| 20:59:52 | Galois | try running rmmod ehci-hcd |
| 20:59:58 | Galois | then plugging in the H320 again |
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| 21:00:14 | Nico_P | once it started working for a short time after i did some things like "chkdsk" in winxp |
| 21:00:25 | Nico_P | Galois: whay will it do ? |
| 21:00:29 | Galois | it disables USB 2.0 |
| 21:00:32 | Nico_P | s/whay/what |
| 21:00:40 | Galois | (temporarily) |
| 21:00:44 | Nico_P | how do i reenable it after that ? |
| 21:00:51 | Galois | reboot, or type modprobe ehci-hcd |
| 21:00:54 | Nico_P | ok |
| 21:01:42 | Nico_P | shouldn't i do modprobe -r (it syas that in the rmmod man) ? |
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| 21:01:57 | Galois | I always did rmmod |
| 21:02:03 | Nico_P | ok |
| 21:02:36 | Nico_P | it works :d |
| 21:02:45 | Galois | yeah, it's the same error as mine |
| 21:02:46 | Nico_P | err no wait |
| 21:03:24 | Nico_P | false joy there... another usb hard drive of mine popped up and i thought it was the h320 |
| 21:03:28 | Galois | if you can do "fdisk -l /dev/sdc" to list the partition table, then it works |
| 21:03:39 | Galois | anyway, what's the error message? |
| 21:03:42 | Galois | same? |
| 21:04:58 | Nico_P | i'm waiting for it to either appear or print error messages |
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| 21:06:12 | Nico_P | no luck, i still get the error messages and "fdisk -l /dev/sdc" doesn't work |
| 21:06:51 | Nico_P | i think the main problem is the disk being damaged |
| 21:06:51 | Galois | the same ones |
| 21:06:55 | Nico_P | yes |
| 21:07:03 | Galois | if the disk is damaged then how does it work on windows |
| 21:07:15 | Nico_P | no idea :-) |
| 21:07:46 | Nico_P | but i assume the I/O errors at precise logical blocks indicate HD damage... am i wring ? |
| 21:07:56 | Nico_P | or wrong maybe |
| 21:08:04 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 21:09:31 | Galois | I wouldn't expect a known damaged disk to work in linux in any case |
| 21:10:12 | Nico_P | no other ideas i could try ? |
| 21:10:52 | Galois | even if the disk is damaged, you should still be able to fdisk -l /dev/sdc |
| 21:11:25 | w1ll14m | nico_p: try dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sdc (it writes null data like a low-level format if you choose wrong disk everything will be erased) |
| 21:11:31 | Nico_P | actually it works but prints nothing |
| 21:11:34 | w1ll14m | maybe this fixes the disk |
| 21:11:48 | Galois | uh, writing null data will destroy the contents of the disk |
| 21:12:24 | Galois | if you're willing to destroy data on the disk, do: fdisk /dev/sdc |
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| 21:13:05 | Galois | and make a new partition table |
| 21:13:05 | w1ll14m | Galois: if disk is damaged this 'can' fix the disk in some cases |
| 21:13:05 | Nico_P | yeah i can try that |
| 21:13:05 | Nico_P | what i'd need is to mark damaged sectors so they don't get used |
| 21:13:14 | Galois | in linux, damaged sectors is a filesystem issue |
| 21:13:27 | Galois | man 8 badblocks |
| 21:13:28 | Nico_P | what do you mean ? |
| 21:13:32 | w1ll14m | well try dd first i would say, after that use dosfstools to scan for bad sectors |
| 21:14:00 | w1ll14m | disk will be empty, but clean :) |
| 21:14:19 | w1ll14m | then you should restore stock firmware and reinstall rockbox |
| 21:14:29 | Galois | you can wipe your disk and check for bad blocks by doing: mkfs -c -t vfat /dev/sdc1 |
| 21:14:42 | Galois | but you need to do the fdisk thing first in order to have a /dev/sdc1 or whatever |
| 21:14:56 | Galois | I'm actually not sure if H320 uses /dev/sdc1 or /dev/sdc2 like ipod |
| 21:15:08 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:17:18 | w1ll14m | galois: it has atleast /dev/sdc1 |
| 21:17:18 | Galois | make sure your H320 is really on /dev/sdc, because it would suck to wipe out the wrong hard drive |
| 21:17:18 | Nico_P | fdisk /dev/sdc prints "Incapable d'ouvrir /dev/sdc" |
| 21:17:18 | w1ll14m | try dmesg | grep sdc |
| 21:17:18 | w1ll14m | whats the output? |
| 21:17:18 | Galois | are you running as root? |
| 21:17:18 | Nico_P | the output is all the errors i gave an example of above |
| 21:17:18 | Nico_P | Galois: tried both with and without sudo |
| 21:17:37 | w1ll14m | try cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
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| 21:17:44 | w1ll14m | and whats the output there? |
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| 21:18:00 | | Part sirixlancelot ("Kopete 0.12.3 : http://kopete.kde.org") |
| 21:18:04 | Nico_P | Attached devices: |
| 21:18:07 | Nico_P | Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 |
| 21:18:11 | Nico_P | Vendor: ATA Model: FUJITSU MHV2120B Rev: 0000 |
| 21:18:16 | Nico_P | Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 05 |
| 21:18:28 | Nico_P | Host: scsi1 Channel: 00 Id: 01 Lun: 00 |
| 21:18:32 | Nico_P | Vendor: HL-DT-ST Model: DVDRAM GMA-4082N Rev: HJ02 |
| 21:18:36 | Nico_P | Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 05 |
| 21:18:39 | Nico_P | Host: scsi4 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 |
| 21:18:46 | Nico_P | Vendor: HDS72808 Model: PFD212S2TLYVSE Rev: A21B |
| 21:18:48 | Nico_P | Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 |
| 21:18:48 | Nico_P | Host: scsi5 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 |
| 21:18:48 | Nico_P | Vendor: TOSHIBA Model: MK2004GAL Rev: JC10 |
| 21:18:48 | Nico_P | Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 |
| 21:18:49 | Nico_P | the H320 would be the toshiba one |
| 21:19:02 | w1ll14m | ok, it is recognized... |
| 21:19:32 | w1ll14m | unplug the device and replug it into usb and do another dmesg |
| 21:19:39 | w1ll14m | but then read the last lines |
| 21:19:43 | w1ll14m | without sdc |
| 21:20:47 | Nico_P | you mean without adding " | grep sdc" ? |
| 21:20:53 | w1ll14m | indeed..... ;) |
| 21:21:27 | Nico_P | usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 |
| 21:21:31 | Nico_P | usb 1-2: configuration #2 chosen from 1 choice |
| 21:21:35 | Nico_P | scsi6 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices |
| 21:21:39 | Nico_P | usb-storage: device found at 3 |
| 21:21:43 | Nico_P | usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning |
| 21:21:47 | Nico_P | usb-storage: device scan complete |
| 21:21:51 | Nico_P | Vendor: TOSHIBA Model: MK2004GAL Rev: JC10 |
| 21:21:55 | Nico_P | Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 00 |
| 21:21:59 | Nico_P | SCSI device sdc: 39063024 512-byte hdwr sectors (20000 MB) |
| 21:22:03 | Nico_P | sdc: Write Protect is off |
| 21:22:07 | Nico_P | sdc: Mode Sense: 00 4a 00 00 |
| 21:22:11 | Nico_P | sdc: assuming drive cache: write through |
| 21:22:15 | Nico_P | SCSI device sdc: 39063024 512-byte hdwr sectors (20000 MB) |
| 21:22:17 | w1ll14m | ok |
| 21:22:19 | Nico_P | sdc: Write Protect is off |
| 21:22:31 | Nico_P | sdc: Mode Sense: 00 4a 00 00 |
| 21:22:31 | Nico_P | sdc: assuming drive cache: write through |
| 21:22:31 | Nico_P | sdc: sdc1 |
| 21:22:31 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 21:22:31 | Nico_P | sd 6:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sdc |
| 21:22:31 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 21:22:31 | Nico_P | sd 6:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 0 |
| 21:22:45 | Llorean | Please don't paste large things to the channel |
| 21:22:49 | w1ll14m | now retry dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sdc |
| 21:22:51 | Llorean | Pastebins are much better for it, and don't flood the logs |
| 21:22:56 | Nico_P | Llorean: I'm sorry |
| 21:24:27 | Llorean | Thanks. |
| 21:24:32 | Galois | uh what the hell |
| 21:24:33 | Nico_P | w1ll14m: it seems it didn't write anything |
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| 21:24:37 | Galois | you don't need to dd anymore |
| 21:24:41 | Galois | you have sdc1 |
| 21:24:55 | Galois | fdisk -l /dev/sdc should work |
| 21:25:15 | Nico_P | still doesn't |
| 21:25:21 | w1ll14m | hmmm |
| 21:25:22 | perl|work | Nico_P hey |
| 21:25:22 | Galois | it probably doesn't because you dd'd |
| 21:25:23 | w1ll14m | very strange..... |
| 21:25:32 | Galois | fdisk /dev/sdc |
| 21:25:32 | perl|work | wanted to try your patch last night |
| 21:25:34 | Galois | and go at it |
| 21:25:35 | Nico_P | Galois: it didn't work before |
| 21:25:49 | Galois | from the massive paste above, the kernel detects an sdc1 |
| 21:25:59 | Nico_P | Galois: and fdisk still doesn't work |
| 21:26:08 | perl|work | Nico_P unfortunately it broke the gigabeat target build |
| 21:26:12 | w1ll14m | nico_P: dd waits for the job to be finished if it works.... |
| 21:26:16 | Nico_P | perl|work: hi |
| 21:26:45 | Nico_P | perl|work: what errors did you get ? |
| 21:26:49 | w1ll14m | what happens if you try dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sdc1 |
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| 21:27:13 | Nico_P | 0+0 enregistrements lus |
| 21:27:13 | Nico_P | 0+0 enregistrements écrits |
| 21:27:13 | Nico_P | 1 octet (1 o) copié, 2,2e-05 seconde, 0,0 kB/s |
| 21:27:30 | GeekGamer42 | lo everyone |
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| 21:27:32 | Nico_P | hope this wasn't too long a paste ;) |
| 21:27:52 | Nico_P | basically it looks like it didn't do anything |
| 21:27:57 | w1ll14m | hmmm seems like it didn't worked.... |
| 21:28:24 | w1ll14m | do you get any output when you do dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sdc |
| 21:28:33 | perl|work | Nico_P errors at firmware/export/id3.h and apps/gui/gwps-common.c |
| 21:28:48 | perl|work | broke album art patch as well |
| 21:29:06 | Nico_P | w1ll14m: the output i just pasted was that of "dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sdc" |
| 21:29:24 | w1ll14m | ok, thats strange..... |
| 21:29:24 | Nico_P | perl|work: by "broke" you mean it didn't apply cleanly ? |
| 21:29:53 | perl|work | yes |
| 21:30:21 | Nico_P | perl|work: apply it on a clean build |
| 21:30:33 | perl|work | ok will try |
| 21:30:35 | w1ll14m | nico_P: do you have another linux computer |
| 21:30:39 | Galois | if you actually want to destroy data, replace /dev/null with /dev/zero |
| 21:30:40 | Nico_P | it conflicts with the album art patch because it makes some changes in the same places |
| 21:31:18 | Nico_P | w1ll14m: not here but i can get to one tomorrow... actually it would be solaris |
| 21:31:41 | Galois | another destructive operation you can attempt is: mkfs -c -t vfat /dev/sdc1 |
| 21:32:32 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 21:32:41 | GeekGamer42 | I'm haveing a playback issue with the Iriver H10 20Gb |
| 21:33:15 | Nico_P | Galois: i got an error with your command, i did mkfs.vfat -c /dev/sdc1 instead |
| 21:33:30 | Galois | oops |
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| 21:33:54 | Nico_P | now it's running |
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| 21:36:10 | amiconn | w1ll14m: /dev/null isn't a source for a stream of \0 bytes, that would be /dev/zero |
| 21:36:29 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 21:36:29 | * | amiconn should read the complete backlog before commenting :/ |
| 21:38:03 | w1ll14m | amiconn:ok my fault :) i've erase my disk that way ??? |
| 21:38:11 | w1ll14m | erased* |
| 21:39:06 | Nico_P | anyway thanks for the help |
| 21:39:25 | Nico_P | :)and to others that don't care about all this, sorry for the flooding ; |
| 21:40:16 | Nico_P | while it runs, i'm going to make something to eat :) i'll keep you posted |
| 21:40:27 | Nico_P | (about the disk, not my food) |
| 21:46:36 | GeekGamer42 | Anyone here be able to help me with Irvier H10? |
| 21:47:21 | Soap | amiconn: I can make you a FW ipod plug if it would help. |
| 21:47:42 | Arathis | GeekGamer42: what's the problem? |
| 21:49:55 | GeekGamer42 | when i try to play any MP3 it loads the file to the play screen, but won't start the file. |
| 21:49:57 | amiconn | w1ll14m: If that worked, something in your system doesn't adhere to the standard. /dev/null should immediately return eof on a read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki//dev/null unlike /dev/zero: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki//dev/zero |
| 21:50:31 | amiconn | dd if=/dev/null of=anythingyou want should transfer exactly 0 bytes |
| 21:51:44 | Mikachu | /dev/full also gives you zero bytes, but doesn't allow writing (zero does) |
| 21:53:06 | Arathis | GeekGamer42: Had the same problem one time. Don't remember how I fixed it though :-/ Perhaps you should try a reset by activating hold while booting |
| 21:53:31 | GeekGamer42 | tired that, i ahve completly reinstalled rockbox on it |
| 21:53:34 | GeekGamer42 | same issue |
| 21:53:53 | Arathis | removed the old files before reinstalling? |
| 21:54:01 | GeekGamer42 | yes |
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| 21:54:14 | Arathis | newest svn build? |
| 21:54:26 | GeekGamer42 | yea |
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| 21:55:50 | Llorean | GeekGamer42: When did you install, or last update, your bootloader? |
| 21:55:54 | Arathis | oh, I think it had something todo with disk poweroff activated, but I'm not sure |
| 21:56:19 | Arathis | Llorean: .. a thing I should have thought of |
| 21:57:02 | GeekGamer42 | crap. i have to go to work |
| 21:57:10 | GeekGamer42 | sorry guys, didnt realsie the time |
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| 21:57:22 | Llorean | Shoot. |
| 21:57:50 | Llorean | Now I'll probably never know if I guessed right. |
| 21:58:03 | GodEater | nevermind |
| 21:59:45 | Soap | was there much doubt, Llorean? |
| 21:59:59 | Soap | I oh so rarely hear doubt in your voice. |
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| 22:01:09 | Soap | Mikachu: the Wheel resets inactivity patch you linked to earlier - what am I missing? I tap on the scroll wheel all the time to keep my iPod 5th gen from timing out / shutting off while walking through stores, etc. |
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| 22:01:43 | Mikachu | i dunno, i haven't seen the bug |
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| 22:02:15 | Mikachu | actually i have, in mpegplayer |
| 22:02:25 | GodEater | according to amiconn the touches on the scrollwheel don't reset the idle timer |
| 22:02:45 | Mikachu | it's possible they do indirectly if you change the volume or move around in a menu |
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| 22:03:31 | Llorean | Soap: You'd be surprised how often there's a large amount of doubt on this end that I just try to cover up. |
| 22:03:57 | Llorean | I found early on that if I sound confident when telling someone to do something, or ask them questions like I already know the answer, it helps keep them from panicking about their "bricked" whatever. |
| 22:04:24 | amiconn | Some places seem to reset the poweroff timer indirectly, but definitely not all |
| 22:04:28 | Soap | Mikachu: I'll see if I focus on not changing the volume if it shuts down. |
| 22:04:31 | * | amiconn greps the source |
| 22:06:15 | Arathis | Would it be possible to add ogg vorbis as a recording format or is encoding to slow? |
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| 22:07:03 | Llorean | Arathis: I don't think anyone's tried to convert an encoder yet. |
| 22:07:18 | Llorean | At the very least one could always record to a lossless format then transcode after on the player if they absolutely *had* to do it on-target. |
| 22:07:27 | amiconn | Does a realtime ogg encoder even exist? |
| 22:07:40 | Mikachu | on an 80mhz cpu? i don't think so |
| 22:08:05 | Soap | AuoTV (or however it is spelled) encodes faster on my computer than LAME does, at similar bitrates. |
| 22:08:38 | Soap | but I guess that is apples to oranges. |
| 22:09:03 | amiconn | lame doesn't aim at realtime encoding, it aims at quality |
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| 22:09:59 | Nico_P | so no kdevelop users here ? |
| 22:10:38 | DataGhost | god... lusers.. heh. I just asked someone why the heck he was using a router with his wifi-modem/router... He said it was because Windows asked him for 2 DNS-servers which couldn't be the same... lol |
| 22:12:08 | Mikachu | it was a while since i used windows, but i think it's fine to leave one blank? |
| 22:13:04 | DataGhost | yes |
| 22:13:11 | DataGhost | but apparently he didn't know that and bought a router :/ |
| 22:13:28 | Mikachu | haha |
| 22:16:16 | * | Genre9mp3 maybe hasn't all the knowledge in his head, but he can have it in his pocket now! :) |
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| 22:17:15 | Genre9mp3 | Just loaded Wikipedia on my H340 and using it with the stardict plugin! :) |
| 22:17:25 | Genre9mp3 | It's actually quite usable |
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| 22:18:25 | amiconn | Soap: I just tested it again. In case you want to verify, try the following: |
| 22:19:14 | amiconn | (1) Set idle poweroff to 1 minute. (2) Go to the file browser, and continually move your finger around the scroll wheel. Don't press any button |
| 22:19:21 | Soap | ok |
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| 22:19:37 | amiconn | The ipod will shutdown after one minute in spite of the continuous wheel events |
| 22:21:14 | Soap | not happening |
| 22:21:24 | Soap | oops, spoke too soon |
| 22:21:32 | Soap | it shutoff as soon as I stopped. |
| 22:21:41 | Soap | let me try again |
| 22:21:58 | khalsa | hey guys, Just letting you know that on the main left-hand-side menu under the first heading "downloads" the item for SVN/CVS builds is not changed everywhere. On main Rb,org it says SVN builds, but when you click on releases, daily builds,Manual, Index, or IRC it reverts back to CVS |
| 22:22:21 | khalsa | all other links show the proper SVN builds |
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| 22:22:57 | khalsa | someone here that can fix that.. or should I e-mail someone about it? |
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| 22:23:41 | Llorean | khalsa: Bagder will hopefully see it in the logs, now that I've mentioned his name. |
| 22:24:06 | Soap | ok, amiconn, I confirm. Let me try in exactly the way I (I think I) keep it "alive" in stores. |
| 22:24:13 | perl|work | Llorean did you like the new gigabeat splash? |
| 22:24:25 | khalsa | Ok, Just thought I'd let you guys know! If I dont see it changed in 24 hrs i'll come in again! |
| 22:24:33 | Llorean | perl|work: I don't have a gigabeat. |
| 22:24:44 | Llorean | I haven't seen it. |
| 22:25:29 | amiconn | Soap: Yes, sometimes the shutdown is delayed as long as you cause many wheel events in succession. However, the poweroff timer still isn't reset, and the ipod shuts down immediately after stopping the heavy wheel action |
| 22:26:33 | perl|work | Llorean http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/8707/bootsplashdg7.png |
| 22:27:10 | Soap | ok, just confirmed it happen in the WPS also, which is where I pratice this technique. I must be changing volume "by accident" when I play this keep alive game. |
| 22:27:24 | Llorean | perl|work: Not bad at all. |
| 22:30:39 | perl|work | is there a tool for average windows users to create raw files out of bmp by any chance? since we have this option of custom splashesh now |
| 22:31:30 | perl|work | splashes* |
| 22:31:46 | Mikachu | amiconn: the patch i posted probably only resets the timer when you scroll more than the delta, so just touching won't help |
| 22:31:53 | perl|work | but that one is default that comes with bootloader now |
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| 22:31:55 | Soap | perl|work: you don't happen to have a larger-format .png do you? |
| 22:32:18 | perl|work | Soap i have original at home |
| 22:32:37 | Soap | perl|work: could I have a copy whenever? |
| 22:32:38 | perl|work | sure |
| 22:33:06 | Soap | Mikachu: delta being 16 = 96/16 = 60 degrees? |
| 22:33:14 | amiconn | perl|work: bmp2rb |
| 22:33:24 | Mikachu | i think the delta is 4 steps by default |
| 22:33:42 | Mikachu | ie enough to move a step in the menu or change the volume |
| 22:33:46 | perl|work | bmp2rb exists outside of rockbox tools? |
| 22:34:01 | perl|work | Soap do you want any custom size? |
| 22:34:14 | amiconn | You can compile it for windows |
| 22:34:18 | Soap | perl|work: whatever you have convient - larger than 320 wide. ;) |
| 22:34:28 | Soap | (or should I say at least 320 wide) |
| 22:35:00 | amiconn | If you build any bitmap sim or target on cygwin, you have it automatically |
| 22:36:00 | perl|work | amiconn yes, but an average user doesnt compile but lets say would love to create a complete theme including the splash |
| 22:36:08 | amiconn | So what? |
| 22:36:23 | amiconn | Just put bmp2rb.exe up for download somewhere |
| 22:37:05 | amiconn | You might have to make sure it is compiled with -mno-cygwin to make it work without cygwin1.dll |
| 22:38:05 | perl|work | ok, good |
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| 22:41:52 | amiconn | perl|work: Hmm, bmp2rb doesn't like to be compiled with -mno-cygwin |
| 22:42:09 | amiconn | bmp2rb.c: In function `generate_raw_file': |
| 22:42:09 | amiconn | bmp2rb.c:518: warning: passing arg 1 of `swab' makes pointer from integer without a cast |
| 22:42:09 | amiconn | bmp2rb.c:518: error: too few arguments to function `swab' |
| 22:42:09 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK amiconn |
| 22:42:09 | amiconn | bmp2rb.c:518: error: void value not ignored as it ought to be |
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| 22:42:44 | amiconn | Windows seems to define a different kind of swab() than posix |
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| 22:44:21 | perl|work | amiconn aha |
| 22:44:41 | perl|work | so are there any solutions about it? maybe some other soft can output it? |
| 22:44:42 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Are you running the latest version of bmp2rb.c ? I thought I removed the use of swab(). |
| 22:44:48 | amiconn | It used to work, but generate_raw_file() is new |
| 22:44:51 | amiconn | Oh |
| 22:44:55 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 22:44:55 | * | amiconn svn ups |
| 22:45:15 | linuxstb_ | I did a clean-up commit this morning. |
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| 22:46:04 | amiconn | Yup, compiles now |
| 22:46:54 | rp- | can anyone tell me how the mpegplugin is working on ipod or another working target, are there some blocking effects? |
| 22:47:18 | linuxstb_ | That depends on your source video and encoder. |
| 22:47:28 | linuxstb_ | (and what bitrate you choose etc) |
| 22:47:38 | Soap | rp-: I saw some blocking artefacts last night when testing elephant's dream on my 5G |
| 22:47:42 | rp- | i downloaded the elephant sample file from twiki |
| 22:47:54 | * | amiconn now has a windows native bmp2rb |
| 22:47:55 | Llorean | linuxstb_: Do you think in LinusN's recent iPod bootloader change, maybe "Binary not Found" might be better than "File not found"? |
| 22:47:58 | amiconn | 38KB |
| 22:48:10 | perl|work | amiconn could you upload please |
| 22:48:13 | Llorean | Or even "Rockbox not found"? |
| 22:48:14 | perl|work | somewhere |
| 22:48:22 | rp- | cause i implemented the lcd_yuv_blit for the sansa and i have these issues |
| 22:48:42 | linuxstb_ | Llorean: I think it displays the filename first. |
| 22:49:05 | Llorean | linuxstb_: Oh, right, should've scrolled down a wee bit. |
| 22:49:07 | linuxstb_ | Something like Error! Can't load rockbox.ipod: (reason) |
| 22:50:47 | amiconn | perl|work: http://www.jens-arnold.net/Rockbox/bmp2rb.exe |
| 22:51:36 | perl|work | amiconn thanks alot |
| 22:52:00 | amiconn | Mikachu: I now have a version that resets the timeout even when the wheel is just touched |
| 22:52:34 | amiconn | Trivial, just doing the reset_poweroff_timer() call in a different place |
| 22:53:06 | amiconn | (directly after the backlight_on() call in the wheel handling) |
| 22:53:07 | Soap | in the tracker? |
| 22:55:25 | linuxstb_ | rp: Try playing the video in a desktop movie player. |
| 22:56:45 | linuxstb_ | rp: Do you automatically rotate the video when displaying it, in the same way as the Gigabeat? |
| 22:57:20 | rp- | yes |
| 22:57:37 | rp- | i actually took the gigabeat code, because its also writing to a buffer |
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| 22:57:55 | rp- | on the desktop the movie looks ok |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:38 | rp- | sadly i don't have any other target to compare the quality |
| 23:00:54 | Bagder | what, only _one_ target? ;-P |
| 23:01:37 | rp- | i'm a newbie :P |
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| 23:03:33 | linuxstb_ | rp: Did you have to change mpegplayer to make it run on the Sansa? I didn't think it would work without an audio driver... |
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| 23:04:07 | rp- | no didn't change any other file, only lcd-e200.c |
| 23:05:47 | rp- | 30 frames 128x128 |
| 23:07:17 | rp- | but what could case this blocking effects? slow ata driver? cpu? |
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| 23:07:32 | rp- | or the lcd |
| 23:07:34 | linuxstb_ | That seems much slower than the other portalplayer targets though... I guess the yuv_lcd_blit() has to do more work. |
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| 23:07:54 | w1ll14m | gonna sleep guys, cyou later :) |
| 23:07:58 | amiconn | rp-: I guess there's a bug in lcd_yuv_blit() |
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| 23:08:17 | amiconn | These can cause all sorts of artifacts, from strange to funny |
| 23:08:22 | l_r | my ipod can be rebootted |
| 23:08:27 | rp- | anyone tried mpegplugin on a gigabeat? |
| 23:08:28 | l_r | my ipod CAN'T be rebootted |
| 23:08:35 | perl|work | rp- yes |
| 23:08:40 | l_r | the keys do not work |
| 23:08:42 | perl|work | its great |
| 23:08:44 | l_r | damn it |
| 23:08:46 | perl|work | to say the least |
| 23:08:47 | linuxstb_ | l_r: Turn the hold switch off? |
| 23:08:48 | l_r | it's the second time |
| 23:09:10 | l_r | linuxstb, it's off already |
| 23:09:19 | rp- | hm, then i will have a closer look to the code |
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| 23:10:15 | Llorean | l_r: Turn it on, then off again, then hold Menu + Select for 30 seconds. Be very careful not to wiggle your fingers at all once you've pressed them down. |
| 23:10:15 | perl|work | rp- and the buffer is big enough to watch 1 music video hehe |
| 23:10:57 | rp- | was just a guess :) |
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| 23:11:37 | rp- | [23:07:35] <linuxstb_> That seems much slower than the other portalplayer targets though... I guess the yuv_lcd_blit() has to do more work. <−− i guess this is because the sansa has no COP patch |
| 23:11:38 | LinusN | gah! the fat driver is giving me a headache |
| 23:11:58 | amiconn | It does? ;) |
| 23:11:58 | Zagor | LinusN: wassup? |
| 23:12:06 | linuxstb_ | rp-: Ah, you're not using the COP patch? Try it - it should work fine. |
| 23:12:23 | LinusN | amiconn: yes, the direntry code is very 512-byte sector centric |
| 23:12:31 | LinusN | Zagor: yo! |
| 23:12:55 | Mikachu | sweden in the house |
| 23:12:56 | LinusN | Zagor: av320 packed and ready |
| 23:13:01 | rp- | linuxstb: i just read the FS entry and thought it doesn't work on sansa yet, i will try it |
| 23:13:09 | Zagor | LinusN: excellent |
| 23:13:15 | * | Bagder does the swedish dance |
| 23:13:33 | linuxstb_ | rp-: In theory it should work... |
| 23:13:43 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6549 |
| 23:14:30 | l_r | ok done |
| 23:14:30 | l_r | thanks |
| 23:14:34 | l_r | it looks like it stopped before playing an .mpc |
| 23:14:36 | l_r | today i lost all my data |
| 23:14:38 | l_r | without reason |
| 23:14:42 | l_r | i unmounted the device , i disconnected it , i reboottted and i saw a message saying to restore the apple os |
| 23:14:46 | l_r | so, i took the rockbox docs, i tried to use the ipodpatcher, but it didn't write the bootloader |
| 23:14:48 | l_r | in the partition |
| 23:14:50 | l_r | damn it |
| 23:15:11 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:15:28 | LinusN | the #if MAX_SECTOR_SIZE > ATA_SECTOR_SIZE in disk_mount() is quite unnecessary |
| 23:15:45 | amiconn | It saves binary size |
| 23:15:54 | LinusN | yes, a few bytes |
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| 23:15:57 | amiconn | ..on all other targets than G5 |
| 23:16:31 | LinusN | true |
| 23:16:56 | * | linuxstb_ spots av320 talk... |
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| 23:17:09 | jba | hey gang |
| 23:17:33 | jba | is it safe to download cvs builds from the wiki now, or do I still need to build them at home? |
| 23:17:57 | Llorean | That question confuses me. |
| 23:18:29 | Mikachu | there is some issue with build system builds crashing on some targets i hear |
| 23:18:32 | linuxstb_ | jba: Nothing has changed because we don't know the problem. |
| 23:18:36 | perl|work | Mikachu true |
| 23:18:37 | Zagor | is our entire site referred to as "the wiki"? |
| 23:18:52 | jba | Zagor: perhaps i mislabeled it. |
| 23:19:04 | Llorean | Yeah, "the wiki" thing was what was confusing me. |
| 23:19:06 | Bagder | is that problem in the daily builds or is it just specific build servers? |
| 23:19:18 | perl|work | Bagder just the svn builds |
| 23:19:24 | jba | sorry Llorean that's what i have the home page bookmarked as |
| 23:19:25 | perl|work | daily builds were always fine |
| 23:19:25 | Zagor | jba: i've seen it done by others. interesting. :) |
| 23:19:27 | Llorean | I couldn't tell if he was asking about builds (since those aren't CVS any more anyway) or something else entirely available on the wiki |
| 23:19:40 | Bagder | then you could help us track which servers that produce badness |
| 23:19:52 | jba | Llorean: i know they're svn builds, but the link still says "CVS" |
| 23:19:53 | amiconn | LinusN: udelay() in ata.c ??? |
| 23:20:03 | Zagor | Bagder: have you talked to Slasheri about his server? |
| 23:20:06 | perl|work | like gigabeat svn builds are broken for more than a week now |
| 23:20:08 | amiconn | Only PP targets have udelay() |
| 23:20:09 | fasmaie | jba: Not that it matters, but not any more |
| 23:20:10 | Bagder | Zagor: nope |
| 23:20:15 | jba | Bagder: how can I be of assistance |
| 23:20:18 | kubiix | hi, I would like to translate the new strings in langs (AGC stuff) - can anybody explain me the meaning of these strings ? |
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| 23:20:48 | jba | fasmaie: it seems it has changed yeah |
| 23:20:48 | Bagder | jba: when you've downloaded a bad image, you can check which server that built it by using the build log on build.rockbox.org |
| 23:21:03 | jba | will try now and let you know |
| 23:21:07 | Bagder | and then we can fix the server or even disable arm builds on that until fixed |
| 23:21:21 | Bagder | as I believe this mentioned problem is only on gigabeat |
| 23:21:43 | Bagder | jba: great |
| 23:21:45 | Llorean | Bagder: khalsa said that several of the links on various pages still need to be changed from "CVS" to "SVN" on the menu bar. |
| 23:21:52 | Bagder | they do |
| 23:22:06 | Llorean | Alright, so long as you're aware. |
| 23:22:09 | Bagder | all of the ones generated on build.rockbox.org for example |
| 23:22:10 | LinusN | amiconn: ah, oops, perhaps i should #ifdef BOOTLOADER or something? |
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| 23:22:18 | perl|work | any ideas why only the gigabeat ones get broken? |
| 23:22:23 | Bagder | I'm lagging behind of the fix-the-scripts department |
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| 23:23:40 | amiconn | LinusN: Perhaps, either that, or implement a bootloader sleep() that uses the PP microsecond timer without actually putting the cpu to sleep |
| 23:24:26 | LinusN | hmmm, i guess i'll use an #ifdef for now |
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| 23:25:10 | jba | just happened again |
| 23:25:11 | jba | bugger |
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| 23:25:37 | jba | Built on rbclient@xen.ihme.org in 18 seconds |
| 23:25:46 | jba | Bagder: does that help? |
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| 23:25:54 | Bagder | it does |
| 23:25:55 | linuxstb_ | Isn't it just #define sleep(x) udelay((x)*1000000/HZ) ? |
| 23:26:03 | Bagder | thanks |
| 23:26:07 | jba | np |
| 23:26:10 | jba | gotta get back to work now |
| 23:26:14 | jba | see yall later |
| 23:26:14 | Bagder | Zagor: indeed slasheri's... |
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| 23:27:00 | amiconn | linuxstb: That'd be a minimal solution. We can do a bit better by yielding |
| 23:27:11 | Zagor | Bagder: I say simply disable it until he/we can look at it closer |
| 23:27:17 | Bagder | slasheri runs arm-elf-gcc 4.0.3 it seems |
| 23:27:28 | linuxstb_ | Do we need to yield in the bootloader though? |
| 23:27:29 | Bagder | Zagor: indeed |
| 23:27:41 | l_r | argh! it crash when playing .mpc's |
| 23:28:08 | l_r | well, no |
| 23:28:10 | amiconn | Afaik the bootloader does threading, so it seems like a good idea to yield while waiting |
| 23:28:13 | l_r | not this time |
| 23:28:15 | l_r | gh |
| 23:28:29 | Zagor | Bagder: perhaps we should run a test against the build logs to ensure all servers use the mandated compiler versions and such |
| 23:28:49 | Bagder | perhaps, but so far we haven't been that strict |
| 23:28:53 | Bagder | as long as they work... |
| 23:28:54 | amiconn | arm-elf-gcc 4.0.3 is the correct one |
| 23:29:34 | Bagder | oh, the build master runs 4.0.2 |
| 23:30:01 | Bagder | and you run 4.0.3 on 64bit, right amiconn ? |
| 23:30:06 | amiconn | yes |
| 23:30:10 | linuxstb_ | Do as I say, not as I do? |
| 23:30:19 | Bagder | then it's not that combo that makes the problem |
| 23:30:27 | Zagor | I think rather his problem is bad svn updates. he still doesn't build blackjack on X5. |
| 23:30:40 | Bagder | ah, yes |
| 23:31:05 | amiconn | Could also be a ccache problem (?) |
| 23:31:08 | Bagder | how weird |
| 23:31:15 | Bagder | he hasn't done the svn transition |
| 23:31:25 | amiconn | haha |
| 23:31:28 | Zagor | the build log revision printout would help here |
| 23:31:34 | Zagor | haha! |
| 23:31:56 | Bagder | the funny thing is that on the other hosts svn failed "harder" so that it was detected |
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| 23:35:08 | Febs | Bagder: Llorean pointed out yesterday that the link to the manual for the ipod mini on the manual daily builds page should read "iPod Mini" and not "iPod Mini 2nd Gen." |
| 23:35:25 | Febs | As there is a single manual for both the 1g and 2g mini. |
| 23:36:00 | Bagder | ah |
| 23:37:30 | Bagder | done |
| 23:38:52 | Febs | Thank you. |
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| 23:40:08 | Llorean | Hm, I thought the old debian image had ccache. |
| 23:40:15 | Llorean | Was #3 made from scratch or an update to #2? |
| 23:40:31 | Bagder | scorche did it, I thought he based it on #2 |
| 23:40:40 | Llorean | Maybe I was wrong about the old one having it then |
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| 23:40:56 | Lars_G | Quick asshole question, what was the "disk mode" keystroke in an ipod? (4G) |
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| 23:41:13 | linuxstb_ | Lars_G: SELECT+PLAY |
| 23:41:21 | Lars_G | thank you |
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| 23:43:26 | Lars_G | linuxstb: Are you allowed by law to be so helpfull? |
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| 23:45:01 | linuxstb_ | It's part of my probation. |
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| 23:45:55 | Nico_P | Galois: |
| 23:45:55 | Nico_P | 19495112 bad blocks |
| 23:45:55 | Nico_P | mkfs.vfat: failed whilst writing reserved sector |
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| 23:46:09 | Llorean | That's... a lot of bad blocks. |
| 23:46:25 | DerPapst | linuxstb: do you have tested the changes you have made to Loader 2? |
| 23:46:30 | Mikachu | bad blocks bad blocks, whatcha gonna do when they corrupt you |
| 23:46:33 | Nico_P | Llorean: indeed |
| 23:47:04 | Nico_P | the strange thing is the H320 works under windows and rockbox works too |
| 23:48:40 | Lars_G | you're lucky, I'm trying to diagnose my boss' G4, and I think the hdd is utterly dead. zilch, gone |
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| 23:54:16 | linuxstb__ | DerPapst: Only briefly, and only on one ipod. Are there problem? |
| 23:54:39 | DerPapst | i can't load rockbox om my 3G anymore |
| 23:55:18 | linuxstb__ | Is that the latest Rockbox and latest loader2? |
| 23:55:26 | DerPapst | yes. |
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| 23:56:09 | DerPapst | i've compiled loader2 from source and rb is as up to date as possible |
| 23:56:19 | drizztbsd | hi, what is the state of ipod nano 2g? |
| 23:56:28 | DerPapst | not working |
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| 23:58:26 | linuxstb__ | Did loader2 work in the past? |
| 23:58:53 | DerPapst | yes |
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