| 00:00:04 | DerPapst | maybe something has changed after implementing support for 5.5G 30GB ipod |
| 00:00:43 | linuxstb__ | What happens when you try to load Rockbox? |
| 00:02:27 | DerPapst | it just said: err: Open failed |
| 00:02:42 | linuxstb__ | Ah, then that's unrelated to my change. |
| 00:03:02 | linuxstb__ | All my change did was change what loader2 did after loading Rockbox into RAM. |
| 00:03:24 | DerPapst | oh. ok. |
| 00:03:43 | DerPapst | i'll do some tests tomorrow. currently i can't boot my pc because of energy fluctuations. |
| 00:04:15 | DerPapst | (using a notebook right now without linux) |
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| 00:13:05 | LinusN | i must say that scrolling in the file view is sluggish on my 5G |
| 00:14:02 | Lars_G | it is on my dad's 5G as well |
| 00:14:12 | Lars_G | not sluggish but the scroll wheel ratio is low |
| 00:14:45 | linuxstb | Slasheri is working on that. |
| 00:15:10 | linuxstb | I guess you're talking about your 80GB 5G though? :) |
| 00:15:36 | pixelma | heh... just wanted to ask something similar |
| 00:15:53 | Mikachu | the scroll wheen delta needs to be different on the various ipods because the wheels are different sizes |
| 00:16:19 | amiconn | I don't think the delta needs to be different |
| 00:16:31 | amiconn | The problem on the G5 is that the lcd is so slow |
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| 00:16:51 | amiconn | ...and the wheel events are throttled in order not to queue up |
| 00:17:16 | amiconn | Otherwise there would be significant afterscroll |
| 00:17:58 | Lars_G | linuxstb: No, an older 5G not 80Gb |
| 00:18:19 | Lars_G | amiconn: Makes sense |
| 00:18:38 | Lars_G | at least they don't queue, that's aggravating |
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| 00:19:35 | Mikachu | i think they should queue, but the file tree could peek ahead and see how many scrolls there are, and skip directly that many steps ahead |
| 00:19:40 | LinusN | linuxstb: nah, my 5.5G is not working yet :-) |
| 00:19:49 | Mikachu | or to formulate more correctly, would that be a good idea? |
| 00:20:55 | Lars_G | I dissagree |
| 00:21:28 | amiconn | Mikachu: Then all "clients" of the button code would need to peek ahead |
| 00:21:41 | Lars_G | since the normal user follows the screen movement and applies forward motion until the selector reaches the correct destination |
| 00:21:43 | linuxstb | I think the way the Apple firmware works is good - it increases the skip from 1 line, to 2, then 4, then 8 etc, depending on the speed. |
| 00:22:04 | Lars_G | normally people don't say "I need to scroll down 6 files, that's 23.4º on the scrollwheel" |
| 00:22:08 | amiconn | I'm not sure, maybe the wheel code could count the number of suppressed events, and when it sees an empty queue pass this number as a parameter to the event |
| 00:22:17 | Lars_G | linuxstb: good idea. |
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| 00:22:45 | webguest98 | Where can I get the Halflife game? |
| 00:22:46 | amiconn | Then the "client", e.g. list scrolling, could decide whether to use this parameter, and e.g. skip the appropriate number of lines |
| 00:23:02 | Overand | Isn't there already a patch for this? |
| 00:23:06 | Overand | ah |
| 00:23:11 | Overand | sorry, hadn't read back far enouygh |
| 00:23:14 | linuxstb | webguest98: You need to get a half-life WAD for Doom. Maybe ask google. |
| 00:23:38 | Overand | Does the doom port support half-life? |
| 00:23:47 | Overand | er |
| 00:23:51 | Overand | wow, generatio ngap there |
| 00:23:56 | webguest98 | Where do I put the files? |
| 00:24:00 | Overand | I should have asid "does the quake port" |
| 00:24:04 | Overand | but there isnt' a quake port, is there? |
| 00:24:05 | webguest98 | in .rockbox/doom? |
| 00:24:31 | Overand | I think it goes in /Games/doom actually |
| 00:24:38 | Overand | but I'm sure that's in the docs. |
| 00:24:42 | linuxstb | No, it's .rockbox.doom as of about 4 days ago. |
| 00:24:55 | Overand | linuxstb: ah, neat |
| 00:24:58 | linuxstb | Add-ons go in (I think) .rockbox/doom/addons/ |
| 00:25:06 | Overand | I hadn't noticed any changes i nthe changelogs recently |
| 00:25:09 | webguest98 | thanks |
| 00:25:24 | webguest98 | There was a change?? Do I have to update my iPod or something? |
| 00:25:56 | linuxstb | When did you install Rockbox? |
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| 00:27:09 | webguest98 | idk |
| 00:27:13 | webguest98 | Sunday |
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| 00:28:01 | linuxstb | webguest98: It's worth updating whenever you get the chance - you just need to download a new rockbox.zip and extract it over the top of the existing files. No need to upgrade the bootloader. |
| 00:28:23 | midgey | amiconn: did you see my most recent pastebin? |
| 00:28:42 | webguest98 | Will the other files I put on myself be wiped? |
| 00:28:56 | DerPapst | no. |
| 00:29:13 | DerPapst | the older stuff just gets overwritten |
| 00:29:33 | linuxstb | The worse that can happen is that your Rockbox settings will be reset, but that only happens occasionally. |
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| 00:33:03 | webguest98 | Where do I get Doom 2? |
| 00:33:23 | webguest98 | Do I have to make a new folder for it and where do I put it |
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| 00:34:08 | scubacoles | webguest98: search for freedoom |
| 00:34:36 | LinusN | regarding the long buffering times on the 5g ipod, is it because the ata is slow, or because the ata driver gets too little cpu? |
| 00:34:38 | scubacoles | webguest98: and put the doom2.wad into .rockbox/doom |
| 00:36:56 | amiconn | LinusN: Both, I'd guess |
| 00:38:10 | amiconn | We don't know how to control parameters of the ata port. Then playing mp3 already takes a good deal of cpu power, and on the G5 graphics is also quite heavy |
| 00:38:17 | LinusN | the buffering is a lot faster when the music is paused |
| 00:38:35 | amiconn | Both because of the high resolution and the lcd updates |
| 00:39:34 | linuxstb | I'm sure an asm ATA read function could help a lot though. |
| 00:39:44 | amiconn | On my mini G2 I can play mp3 with all 5 eq bands enabled, and a peakmeter in the wps without skipping, but then buffering takes nearly forever |
| 00:39:52 | linuxstb | Or DMA - MrH has given us some info on that. |
| 00:40:02 | amiconn | That became possible due to the improved memcpy |
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| 00:41:03 | * | amiconn is really curious what the apple firmware uses for transfer |
| 00:41:09 | * | Genre9mp3 notices lately a black vertical line (one pixel thick) showing up when booting on his H300 LCD... should he start get worrying? |
| 00:41:12 | amiconn | pio or mwdma or even udma? |
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| 00:41:41 | LinusN | i guess pio with internal dma |
| 00:41:42 | Genre9mp3 | The line is showing up exactly on the same position |
| 00:41:57 | webguest98 | When I open doom and choose an addon and Play Game it restarts??? |
| 00:42:00 | linuxstb | LinusN: Yes. |
| 00:42:31 | linuxstb | Sorry, I misread, I meant MrH's docs show us how to do PIO with DMA, I don't know what the Apple firmware does. |
| 00:42:42 | amiconn | Guessing is not as good as knowing... |
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| 00:43:26 | LinusN | i wonder if we could use the new pp emulator to investigate stuff like this |
| 00:43:28 | dan_a | In lieu of some proper ASM optimisation, could Duff's Device help the ATA transfer? |
| 00:44:32 | amiconn | midgey: Yes, that should work. I would just combine case 2: and default: though |
| 00:44:51 | amiconn | They run identical code |
| 00:44:54 | midgey | ok, i committed that already |
| 00:45:05 | midgey | i'll fix it up in a later commit |
| 00:45:21 | LinusN | dan_a: i can't see where that would help |
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| 00:45:55 | Genre9mp3 | hmmm... the line doesn't show up when starting the original firmware... |
| 00:46:24 | Genre9mp3 | also there's a slight backlight fading when the line shows up |
| 00:46:36 | dan_a | LinusN: OK. I don't know enough theory to know where some things will help :) |
| 00:47:36 | amiconn | dan_a: Combining transfers on the memory side will help. Duffs device can't do that. Asm can, in case of arm using ldmia and stmia |
| 00:48:48 | amiconn | The unaligned case needs much bitshifting, but arm seems to be built around a shifter... |
| 00:49:50 | * | amiconn is still puzzled about the coldfire ata port not liking dma with auto-alignment enabled |
| 00:50:14 | amiconn | Without auto-alignment it works, but then it's slower than my asm loops |
| 00:50:38 | Mikachu | how long would it take one of you to actually write this asm ata code you've been talking about for a week now? :) |
| 00:51:02 | dan_a | Can we steal code from memcpy (without updating the source address) or is that optimised for the wrong things? |
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| 00:52:51 | amiconn | It's unnecessarily complex |
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| 00:57:53 | LinusN | bedtime |
| 00:57:55 | LinusN | nite all |
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| 01:01:06 | webguest81 | hello im a noob 2 ipod modding and could some one tell me the easyest program 2 have a gamebuy emulator on? |
| 01:02:00 | dan_a | webguest81: Please use proper English on this channel - a lot of the most helpful people are not native speakers |
| 01:02:11 | webguest81 | boy* any one plz? |
| 01:02:31 | thegeek_ | ahhahaha |
| 01:02:35 | thegeek_ | I just can't help myself;P |
| 01:02:54 | webguest98 | The only file u need in .rockbox/doom is doom1.wad? |
| 01:03:18 | thegeek_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 01:03:27 | thegeek_ | ;P |
| 01:03:45 | webguest81 | so i dont have to have ipodlinux oh ok cool thank you |
| 01:03:54 | Mikachu | crazy aolers |
| 01:04:13 | thegeek_ | ;) |
| 01:04:27 | dan_a | webguest81: If I recall correctly, ipodlinux has a gameboy emulator. We have one too. |
| 01:04:35 | linuxstb | webguest81: If you're asking how to install Rockbox (which has a gameboy emulator amongst one or two other features), start with the manual: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 01:04:54 | DerPapst | and iPL has NES and GameGear.... |
| 01:04:59 | DerPapst | :) |
| 01:05:13 | linuxstb | Although it's not available on all ipods... See if it's included in your manual. |
| 01:06:42 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Have you tried them? Are they fast enough to be playable? |
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| 01:06:55 | Mikachu | crazy zsh of the day |
| 01:06:57 | Mikachu | function hexip() { a=$(for a (`echo $1 | sed -r 's/(..)(..)(..)(..)/\1 \2 \3 \4/'`) {hextodec $a}|xargs|sed s/\ /./g); hostx $a } |
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| 01:07:28 | webguest81 | ok cool thanks i was just reading and ipod linux sounds dumb cause u have to deleate ur songs and i have a 30g vid |
| 01:07:36 | DerPapst | linuxstb: no.. :) but they are there ;) (i don't play a lot with my 3G) |
| 01:08:34 | DerPapst | but the NES thingy seems to have a acceptable spped. |
| 01:08:41 | DerPapst | *speed |
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| 01:09:24 | * | DerPapst don't want cows :$ |
| 01:11:20 | pixelma | surely you can send them all over to muesli... |
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| 01:12:01 | DerPapst | hehe... i'll ask him if he want mine when he's back ;) |
| 01:12:08 | amiconn | haha, funny mail header: |
| 01:12:22 | amiconn | X-fromdanielhimself: yes |
| 01:12:46 | pixelma | DerPapst: I wonder why there are some in the Vatican anyways ;) |
| 01:13:10 | preglow | hahaha |
| 01:13:11 | DerPapst | there are? didn't know that :) |
| 01:13:42 | * | Genre9mp3 wonders what DerPapst and pixelma are talking about |
| 01:13:50 | webguest81 | so is rockbox the simplest or easyest (working) gameboy emulator |
| 01:13:55 | * | DerPapst wonders whether the real Pope already has rockbox on his nano... |
| 01:14:16 | Genre9mp3 | webguest81: Rockbox is not a gameboy emulator, it has one though |
| 01:14:34 | sneakums | nintendo makes the best gamboy emulators, in my experience. |
| 01:14:34 | DerPapst | Genre9mp3: the quitmessage of muesli__ was "i want cows!!!" |
| 01:15:05 | DerPapst | in german |
| 01:15:05 | webguest81 | ya sry thats what i ment, yes i ment for and ipod duh |
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| 01:15:30 | thegeek_ | webguest81: _please_ use proper english |
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| 01:16:43 | Genre9mp3 | webguest81: I don't have an iPod nor I ever tried iBoy so I don't know how it compares to Rockboy |
| 01:17:01 | DerPapst | webguest81: RockBox is a firmware. mostly you use it to play music with it. but the devs get bored so they made some cool plugins for it.... |
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| 01:17:13 | mofonyx | hi |
| 01:17:26 | mofonyx | does rockbox'd iPod 5th Gen results in it not being able to play videos? |
| 01:17:58 | DerPapst | there is a mpeg player plug in. |
| 01:17:59 | webguest81 | ok thanks (im so confused modding a psp is sooo much easyer) |
| 01:18:23 | Genre9mp3 | It can play videos, but it's a work in progress so there's no A/V syncing yet among other things |
| 01:18:52 | DerPapst | so better use AppleOS to playback your videos |
| 01:19:13 | mofonyx | DerPapst : So, dual boot? |
| 01:19:40 | webguest98 | Do I have to pay for Doom 2 |
| 01:21:03 | DerPapst | mofonyx: yes |
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| 01:23:10 | Soap | and webguest98 |
| 01:23:35 | webguest98 | ? |
| 01:23:57 | Soap | mofonyx: yes / and (yes to) webguest98 ('s question) |
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| 01:26:12 | webguest98 | where can i get free doom 2 |
| 01:26:51 | DerPapst | try google: freedoom |
| 01:28:24 | webguest98 | none of them are doom 2 |
| 01:28:40 | DerPapst | then i can't help you |
| 01:28:47 | DerPapst | i don't use doom |
| 01:28:54 | mofonyx | cheers guys :) |
| 01:29:02 | mofonyx | is there a guide on rockbox.org for the dual boot configuration? |
| 01:29:39 | DerPapst | if you install the loader your ipod can always dual boot |
| 01:30:37 | DerPapst | have you read the manual? |
| 01:33:16 | linuxstb | monfonyx: What player are you using? |
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| 01:36:59 | XavierGr | in order to use ccache do I simply type "ccache make"? |
| 01:37:10 | XavierGr | (when compiling) |
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| 01:37:52 | amiconn | no |
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| 01:38:23 | Soap | webguest98: you can not get doom2 for free, it is a commercial game. |
| 01:38:23 | * | Genre9mp3 spots some more blue in the channel! :) |
| 01:38:26 | amiconn | You just need to have ccache installed when configuring, configure will detect it |
| 01:38:34 | XavierGr | ah |
| 01:38:47 | XavierGr | I think my Vmware image has it installed |
| 01:39:03 | sneakums | configure will tell you if it's going to use ccache |
| 01:39:23 | XavierGr | ok let me see again |
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| 01:40:11 | XavierGr | Found and uses ccache (/usr/bin/ccache) |
| 01:40:12 | sneakums | "Found and uses ccache (/usr/bin/ccache)" |
| 01:40:15 | sneakums | snap! |
| 01:40:16 | XavierGr | lol |
| 01:40:16 | amiconn | ...and if you explicitly don't want to use ccache, use configure −−no-ccache |
| 01:40:17 | XavierGr | echo |
| 01:40:17 | | Join hen3rz [0] (n=hen3rz@203-206-72-48.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 01:40:42 | hen3rz | how do i get write access to the wiki |
| 01:41:18 | Soap | when do I _not_ want to use ccache? When troubleshooting? |
| 01:41:28 | petur | hen3rz: ask here with your wiki name |
| 01:42:07 | XavierGr | now another question: when I reconfigure on a clean empty dir and compile (let's say for H300) I get 3 minutes to compile it, while if I type a "make clean" and then compile I get 1.20 minutes. I thought that make claen = rm -r * (on the compile directory) |
| 01:42:08 | hen3rz | my wiki name is HenryLawson and could i please be given write access |
| 01:42:53 | sneakums | Soap: or if you have ccache installed for other stuff and don't want rockbox builds ejecting other stuff from your cache |
| 01:43:27 | sneakums | XavierGr: how about if you try it again the first way? it could be down to files not being cached the first time |
| 01:43:31 | Soap | ahh, ok, makes sense sneakums. So if I don't want to cross-pollinate caches, or troubleshooting. |
| 01:44:04 | petur | hen3rz: done |
| 01:44:27 | XavierGr | sneakums: ok let me do it again, though I almost certain that I've build 3 times already in the same directory |
| 01:45:36 | hen3rz | petur: Thank you |
| 01:46:19 | XavierGr | Genre9mp3: Blue eh? Linus is blue for me and amiconn is green on my set up :P |
| 01:48:23 | Genre9mp3 | We agree on the second one! :) |
| 01:48:27 | XavierGr | heh |
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| 01:49:24 | Genre9mp3 | btw, how I review all avail. colours? Do you remember? |
| 01:49:32 | Genre9mp3 | ^to XavierGr |
| 01:49:52 | piyo | can i get some help pls? |
| 01:50:23 | piyo | i just updated my ipod |
| 01:50:24 | piyo | with itunes |
| 01:50:32 | piyo | and now i cant launch rockbox :( |
| 01:51:16 | sneakums | piyo: you probably need to reinstall the bootloader |
| 01:51:33 | piyo | ok |
| 01:51:35 | piyo | how do i do that |
| 01:51:38 | piyo | im retarded |
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| 01:51:49 | * | petur points to the wiki |
| 01:52:02 | linuxstb | piyo: The same way you installed Rockbox the first time. |
| 01:52:07 | petur | hahaha |
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| 01:52:46 | piyo | dam |
| 01:52:48 | piyo | i forgot |
| 01:52:51 | piyo | if i install that |
| 01:52:59 | piyo | will it erase my songs or something? |
| 01:53:15 | linuxstb | Did it erase your songs the first time? |
| 01:53:18 | petur | nah, but wise people have backups |
| 01:53:21 | piyo | i cant remember |
| 01:53:27 | piyo | i installed it last year xD |
| 01:53:49 | petur | and still using itunes? tsk tsk tsk |
| 01:53:56 | sneakums | installing the bootloader does not do anything to the data partition, when it's done correctly. |
| 01:54:08 | piyo | c00l |
| 01:54:18 | piyo | can anyong give me link |
| 01:54:23 | piyo | to d/l |
| 01:54:28 | linuxstb | Last year was only three weeks ago... |
| 01:54:28 | piyo | the b00t loader |
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| 01:54:40 | piyo | we all know >.> |
| 01:54:59 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 01:55:05 | petur | or http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta ? |
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| 01:55:29 | piyo | basically |
| 01:55:38 | piyo | do i have to reinstall da thing? |
| 01:55:47 | petur | just the bootloader |
| 01:56:16 | linuxstb | You could send it to me, and I will reinstall da thing. |
| 01:56:48 | piyo | lol |
| 01:57:21 | piyo | a a.... |
| 02:00 |
| 02:01:04 | piyo | do i need to dl the ipodpatcher? |
| 02:01:32 | DerPapst | to install a bootloader? no you can use a hex editor as well but ipodpatcher is easier |
| 02:01:42 | mofonyx | sry guys was busy |
| 02:01:46 | mofonyx | replying on behalf of a friend |
| 02:01:50 | mofonyx | he's in iPod 5G |
| 02:01:58 | mofonyx | i'm on 4G, not particularly concerned about the dual-boot thingy |
| 02:03:22 | piyo | yo da ipodpatcher link is dead |
| 02:03:29 | piyo | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/ |
| 02:03:38 | piyo | someone try it pls |
| 02:03:48 | piyo | www.download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/ |
| 02:04:12 | linuxstb | Your first link works fine for me. |
| 02:04:37 | piyo | does it direct you to a page |
| 02:04:41 | piyo | where it says index |
| 02:04:44 | piyo | then parent directory |
| 02:04:47 | piyo | then 4 folders? |
| 02:04:54 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 02:04:59 | piyo | which do i clik |
| 02:05:07 | petur | aaaargh |
| 02:05:08 | linuxstb | Have a guess. |
| 02:05:20 | DerPapst | (lol) |
| 02:05:22 | * | petur runs off, screaming.... |
| 02:05:28 | piyo | the firs one :D |
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| 02:05:52 | piyo | bad choise? |
| 02:06:18 | Llorean | piyo: What operating system are you on? |
| 02:06:41 | piyo | windows |
| 02:06:43 | piyo | i know!!! |
| 02:06:45 | piyo | the last one |
| 02:06:48 | piyo | win32 |
| 02:06:56 | Llorean | Now that wasn't too terribly hard, was it? |
| 02:06:59 | DerPapst | hahahaha |
| 02:07:10 | DerPapst | (sorry) |
| 02:07:10 | piyo | not for me |
| 02:07:13 | piyo | im a genius |
| 02:07:20 | * | piyo rubs nipples |
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| 02:13:32 | * | barrywardell notices midiwall's posts at misticriver and wonders if he is a portalplayer developer |
| 02:14:42 | Llorean | barrywardell: Posts? |
| 02:15:20 | midgey | barrywardell: i've been meaning to respond to your comment on my flyspray entry (adapting e200 plugins) |
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| 02:16:05 | barrywardell | Llorean: eg this one http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?p=331298#post331298 |
| 02:16:13 | midgey | by removing that bit of code, the ships in spacerocks are drawn vertically instead of slanting at a 45 degree angle |
| 02:16:17 | barrywardell | that's quite old |
| 02:16:27 | barrywardell | but he has recently started posting again |
| 02:17:05 | barrywardell | midgey: yes, i figured that out eventually. i'm not sure what the preferred behaviour would be though... |
| 02:17:19 | pixelma | barrywardell: sorry if you're not the right one to talk to but I thought you could know the source... I've experienced that the backlight will switch of after about 1 second on really low battery. (not that I have backlight for long - have a modded Ondio for about 3 weeks but I heard others reporting it too). Is that intentional, or a bug? |
| 02:17:54 | pixelma | after an event that switches it on of course |
| 02:17:57 | barrywardell | pixelma: i don't think that is intentional |
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| 02:18:08 | midgey | barrywardell: im not sure either, i personally think it look better with the ships straight and that how the original version worked |
| 02:18:16 | barrywardell | there are some changes to backlight behaviour |
| 02:18:21 | barrywardell | at low battery |
| 02:18:27 | Llorean | barrywardell: Yes, he definitely sounds like he had a part in developing the generic portalplayer OS |
| 02:18:29 | barrywardell | but that one doesn't make much sense |
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| 02:19:04 | barrywardell | midgey: and it simplifies the code by removing a couple of irrelevant lines |
| 02:19:18 | pixelma | I mean most probably it's more visible to me because Ondio uses NiMH cells and runs till they are really empty |
| 02:19:30 | pixelma | (or batteries) |
| 02:19:33 | barrywardell | Llorean: he would be a good person to have contributing to rockbox |
| 02:19:55 | Genre9mp3 | barrywardell: you plan to PM the guy? |
| 02:20:29 | barrywardell | yes, i was thinking about doing so |
| 02:21:04 | DerPapst | thats awesome :D |
| 02:21:52 | Llorean | barrywardell: Or at the very least address a few key questions to. I doubt he can contribute directly (who knows) but at the very least he might be able to answer "Do your remember if..." kinda things. |
| 02:23:21 | barrywardell | Llorean: yeah, he might have nda problems. |
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| 02:26:32 | midgey | barrywardell: check out this post |
| 02:26:34 | midgey | http://www.yotatech.com/showpost.php?s=34a1a5736bab5961631ac57c2361eda7&p=50377136&postcount=11 |
| 02:27:20 | barrywardell | pixelma: line 636 seems to be the culprit. it changes the timeout to 2 seconds when the batteries are low |
| 02:27:33 | barrywardell | pixelma: line 636 of firmware/powermgmt.c |
| 02:27:54 | Soap | http://www.pastebin.ca/321064 |
| 02:28:06 | Soap | if someone could look at my build error I would appreciate it. |
| 02:28:55 | Soap | I don't care if doom failed to compile (I believe that is all that failed), I'm more curious why (outside the obvious plugin buffer being full) |
| 02:29:05 | barrywardell | midgey: i guess that answers my question so |
| 02:29:06 | Llorean | midgey: I wonder where he got the impression DRM support is coming, ever. |
| 02:29:30 | barrywardell | now we just need to persuade him to help rockbox |
| 02:29:31 | Llorean | I like the "We couldn't get enough throughput out of the chip when we did the original OS to do anything reasonable" bit though. Running video on my Nano at 25fps seems kinda special now. |
| 02:29:36 | midgey | Llorean: i saw that... |
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| 02:30:29 | pixelma | barrywardell: yes this is how it feels - but I can't imagine that on a colour display the user could read something at all with this setting |
| 02:32:18 | barrywardell | pixelma: yes, i agree. that could be easily removed, but the real problem is that power management is in need of a bit of an overhaul imho |
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| 02:34:26 | pixelma | hmm... ok. Should I file a bugreport then or something? |
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| 02:35:14 | * | Soap doubts midiwall works for PP. |
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| 02:37:07 | Llorean | Soap: If he doesn't he's going through an awful bit of trouble, all the way down to setting his location correctly. May as well give him the benefit of the doubt, it's not like he can provide anything less than the 'nothing' we already get from PP. |
| 02:37:44 | Soap | oh no - I'm not poopooing on contacting him - I just am always cynical about forum bravado. |
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| 02:38:52 | Llorean | Soap: With 8,000 posts on that forum I'm guessing he's generally a fairly serious member. *shrugs* |
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| 02:39:27 | Soap | I'm always skeptical to the point of cynical - ignore my poopooing. |
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| 02:45:25 | Soap | though (on a less pessimistic tone) Maybe he is one of the ~4 dozen fired after Apple cut PP out of the Nano 2nd gen, and he is bitter and willing to point in the right direction. |
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| 02:58:49 | rUISu | hi, i want to make a raw image, but i can see how to in windows X[ any body know how to in windows?? |
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| 03:00:12 | Nico_P | JdGordon: i'm not staying long, but have you seen my latest cuesheet changes ? |
| 03:00:34 | JdGordon | hey |
| 03:00:35 | JdGordon | no |
| 03:00:40 | JdGordon | on the wiki or fs? |
| 03:00:46 | Nico_P | FS |
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| 03:01:03 | Nico_P | maybe you knwo about them, i didn't do anything today |
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| 03:02:22 | JdGordon | ah yes, I saw the comment, havnt had a look at the patch yet tho |
| 03:02:35 | Nico_P | ok |
| 03:03:10 | Nico_P | i haven't touched the loading part because i need do discuss it with the swedes |
| 03:03:32 | Nico_P | LinusN seemed to prefer the way it's done currently |
| 03:03:43 | JdGordon | allowing both to load? |
| 03:03:44 | Nico_P | i wouldn't want to rework it all for nothing |
| 03:04:23 | Nico_P | rather using the cue as a link to the mp3... the issue of both being added to the playlist is a negative side effect |
| 03:05:57 | Nico_P | if you have any new ideas on how to deal with this, please post them on the tracker... i'm going to bed now ;) |
| 03:06:04 | JdGordon | ok |
| 03:06:07 | JdGordon | nn |
| 03:06:14 | JdGordon | im not really sure how it should be handled |
| 03:06:20 | JdGordon | so ill leave that up to you guys |
| 03:06:40 | Nico_P | i'm not really sure either :s |
| 03:07:05 | Nico_P | anyway, we'll see that another time |
| 03:07:11 | Nico_P | bye |
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| 03:14:32 | Siryus | so I want to play doom on my ipod |
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| 03:14:44 | Siryus | what files do I have to download |
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| 03:15:39 | iwantanimac | you need the rockdoom.wad and a doom.wad file... or doom2.wad - there are links to rockdoom.wad and the shareware doom 1 wad on the wiki... |
| 03:15:41 | Llorean | Siryus: You need to own a copy of Doom, and read the Rockbox manual. |
| 03:16:01 | Siryus | I'm at the wiki |
| 03:16:35 | iwantanimac | Siryus: it says clearly there that you need to download rockdoom.wad, and there's a link. |
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| 03:16:43 | Siryus | what folder do I put the rockdoom wad file in? |
| 03:17:00 | iwantanimac | wasn't it updated to /.rockbox/doom/? |
| 03:17:16 | Llorean | Siryus: Do you have something against just reading the manual where it explains everything? |
| 03:17:24 | Siryus | ....... |
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| 04:08:46 | perldiver | Soap? |
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| 04:10:37 | perldiver | Soap let me know if its something you wanted when you see this: http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/2850/splashsj4.png |
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| 04:18:32 | Soap | egg zactly |
| 04:18:37 | Soap | thank you |
| 04:24:39 | perldiver | want an uncompressed version? |
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| 04:27:55 | Soap | fire at will |
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| 04:29:58 | perldiver | Soap here we go |
| 04:29:59 | perldiver | http://download.yousendit.com/7B3900192225919D |
| 04:30:49 | perldiver | if you need any custom logos (like we did for gigabeat) let me know |
| 04:32:08 | Llorean | I'm not really sure why there's a custom logo just for the gigabeat. |
| 04:32:21 | Llorean | It seems like it'd make more sense just to have the logos by screen size rather than individual target. |
| 04:33:23 | perldiver | Llorean make sense, yes |
| 04:33:45 | Llorean | Keeps the source archive from getting too big as the number of targets expand. |
| 04:34:34 | perldiver | but we have this idea of custom splash going on for gigabeat |
| 04:34:53 | perldiver | so people can create their own ones |
| 04:35:06 | perldiver | and the custom one is included in bootloader as an example |
| 04:35:44 | perldiver | this one |
| 04:35:45 | perldiver | http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/5273/splashtest02el0.png |
| 04:36:04 | Llorean | Most targets don't even have a splash in the bootloader. It's kept as small as possible and purely functional. But 'eh, I've no place to speak on it. |
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| 04:37:21 | perldiver | its really part of the "theme" concept, when someone can creat splash+backdrop+wps |
| 04:37:31 | perldiver | create* |
| 04:37:38 | perldiver | following the same style |
| 04:38:31 | Llorean | The bootloader isn't really considered the same sort of part of Rockbox. |
| 04:38:53 | Llorean | On many targets it's stored in flash and doesn't even access the disk until Rockbox itself is loaded, sometimes useful for recovering bad filesystems. |
| 04:39:17 | perldiver | yes, i understand |
| 04:39:43 | perldiver | but do you think offering this option on targets where its possible is bad idea? |
| 04:39:49 | Llorean | Wouldn't it be more logical to make the customizable splash the one when Rockbox boots, rather than as part of the bootloader? |
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| 04:40:16 | perldiver | its a separate .raw file that should be placed in root |
| 04:40:28 | perldiver | if its not present regular rockbox screen comes up |
| 04:40:36 | Llorean | I meant though that wouldn't it make more sense for Rockbox to load the .raw, and not the bootloader? |
| 04:40:55 | perldiver | it loads the .raw |
| 04:41:07 | Llorean | What 'it'? |
| 04:41:12 | Llorean | You've been saying the bootloader so far. |
| 04:41:13 | perldiver | the bootloader |
| 04:41:36 | Llorean | So, how does saying "it loads the raw" respond to "Wouldn't it make more sense for Rockbox to load the .raw, and not the bootloader?" |
| 04:41:55 | Llorean | I just don't see why it's a feature of the bootloader rather than the core. |
| 04:42:08 | perldiver | oh i see what you mean now |
| 04:42:28 | Llorean | If it were a part of the core, every target could have the feature, and at the same time you wouldn't be messing with the current bootloader paradigm. |
| 04:43:05 | perldiver | but i think it never became a core feature because its not possible on all targets? |
| 04:43:35 | Llorean | On what target would it be impossible for the core to load an image, other than the Archos Player (because it has a charcell display)? |
| 04:45:16 | perldiver | but is it possible to display an image before the bootloader displays its data on load? |
| 04:45:22 | Soap | Llorean: now that pijulius is back, should his 34 page thread be pruned, since much is outdated? |
| 04:45:43 | Llorean | Soap: If he wants it pruned, I will. |
| 04:46:08 | Llorean | As far as I'm concerned, the unsupported builds are none of my business outside of me keeping unrelated threads from showing up on their boards, or keeping them out of our boards. |
| 04:46:39 | Llorean | perldiver: So you're trying to hide the bootloader data for some reason? |
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| 04:47:55 | perldiver | interesting train of thought but of course not, its just the dilemma here "bootloader data or splash screen" |
| 04:48:44 | Llorean | But there's already the normal Rockbox splash upon boot. I just don't see why you feel the need to add any graphics into the bootloader as part of 'themeing' when there's the normal Rockbox splash that could be made themeable. |
| 04:49:20 | Llorean | It seems rather odd to add a themeable feature to just one target by way of the bootloader, when you could make a universal feature with the normal bootup splash, and leave the bootloaders as they are, text-only and very simple. |
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| 05:15:08 | scubacoles | On the bootloader splash topic, it makes Rockbox look far more "professional" or finished if no boot text is visible. |
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| 05:18:26 | Llorean | scubacoles: But that can wait for a release version in which something like a simple progress bar can be used. |
| 05:18:36 | Llorean | Something that can be done identically on all targets. |
| 05:18:50 | scubacoles | yeah, fair call.. |
| 05:18:56 | Llorean | That still doesn't in any way address the "Splash in the core vs bootloader" question. |
| 05:20:05 | scubacoles | Perhaps us giogabeat users are coming from a different perspective |
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| 05:21:11 | scubacoles | We have to boot with part of the Toshiba bootloader, then flick over to the Rockbox bootloader, going from Toshiba splash to boot text to rockbox splash to file browser (or WPS) |
| 05:21:39 | Llorean | scubacoles: Rockbox itself should be able to show a splash though. |
| 05:21:54 | Llorean | How long does the Gigabeat spend in the bootloader? |
| 05:21:58 | scubacoles | over the top of the bootloader text?? |
| 05:22:07 | scubacoles | 2 seconds |
| 05:22:12 | perldiver | Llorean 2-3 seconds |
| 05:22:28 | Llorean | scubacoles: Remember, I suggested that the bootloader text be removed for a final version. |
| 05:22:43 | Llorean | 2-3 seconds of a blank screen, or a progress bar, followed by a Rockbox splash shouldn't be too jarring, should it? |
| 05:22:59 | Llorean | On an entirely unrelated note, I believe I shall be joining the ranks of Gigabeat owners shortly. |
| 05:23:17 | Mouser_X | Oooh, |
| 05:23:29 | perldiver | Llorean thats great, i hope you will |
| 05:23:32 | Mouser_X | Indeed. |
| 05:23:41 | hcs | join us.... |
| 05:23:41 | Llorean | Well, it really depends on one final email coming back to me saying "Agreed, we have a deal" |
| 05:23:41 | Mouser_X | Heh |
| 05:24:22 | perldiver | progress bar followed by a splash sounds great but we have are "own" progress bar screen built into gigabeat |
| 05:24:31 | Llorean | But I still think the splash should be a part of the core. The bootloader shouldn't have any non-essential code in it except perhaps a very simple, elegant progress bar, so that it can be consistent across all targets. |
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| 05:25:48 | perldiver | it comes up right after you turn on the player |
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| 05:26:00 | perldiver | and i guess theres nothing can be done about it |
| 05:26:08 | scubacoles | perldriver is referring to the Toshiba part I think... |
| 05:26:16 | scubacoles | has its own progress bar |
| 05:26:16 | Llorean | Aye, I figured that. |
| 05:26:28 | Llorean | Well, the Rockbox bootloader could also just be a blank screen. |
| 05:26:48 | perldiver | i'm up for elegant progress bar across all targets |
| 05:26:48 | Llorean | My big concern is that the bootloader itself should be treated as something that should be minimal and as fast as possible. |
| 05:26:59 | perldiver | agreed |
| 05:27:23 | Llorean | The iPods show a splash on boot, but it's the first thing *after* the bootloader that you see. |
| 05:28:14 | Llorean | Especially considering that in the end, the ideal for nearly any target would be to get the bootloader itself into flash. I don't know if that's physically possible ever on the Toshibas though. |
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| 05:29:28 | scubacoles | toffe is looking into it I believe, via the jtag connector on the motherboard. No promises though |
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| 05:30:54 | Llorean | Alright, as of Monday I shall be $180 poorer, and an F40 richer. |
| 05:31:14 | perldiver | aww. |
| 05:31:30 | Llorean | Aww? |
| 05:31:46 | protonite | hey, i upgraded the version of rockbox on my ipod to the new build yesterday (i was using one from last June), and today my ipod completely died, is there any way that rockbox could be responsible for that or is it coincidence? |
| 05:32:06 | scubacoles | Llorean: congratulations, you wont regret it....unless you accidentally try the Toshiba firmware first!!!! Although then you'll understand why so many gigabeat owners have flooded this channel since Christmas :-) |
| 05:32:06 | Llorean | protonite: Coincidence. What kind of "completely died"? |
| 05:32:23 | Llorean | scubacoles: It will be my... umm... 5th or 6th Rockbox target. |
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| 05:32:28 | perldiver | Llorean just happy for you |
| 05:32:58 | protonite | Llorean - I had around 70% battery left, turned it off, then when i tried to turn it on I got a low battery symbol in rockbox, and it turned itself off |
| 05:33:04 | protonite | it now wont turn on, or recharge |
| 05:33:06 | scubacoles | Llorean: yeah I understand that I'm the newbie here... |
| 05:33:11 | perldiver | maybe it will become your favourite target |
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| 05:33:18 | Llorean | protonite: turn hold on, turn hold off, hold menu+select for 30 seconds very carefully |
| 05:33:22 | Llorean | perldiver: Unlikely |
| 05:33:30 | Llorean | perldiver: Very, very, very unlikely |
| 05:33:35 | perldiver | you have a winner already? |
| 05:33:37 | Llorean | I can't imagine anything competing with the H120 for pure audio function. |
| 05:34:02 | protonite | er |
| 05:34:08 | protonite | ok that just worked |
| 05:34:20 | Llorean | protonite: I know. ;) |
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| 05:34:31 | protonite | thanks, but what was the problem? even plugging it onto my computer done nothing before, that normally causes it to reboot automatically? |
| 05:34:48 | protonite | i thought the battery had just blew up or something :o |
| 05:34:57 | Llorean | protonite: The iPods have somewhat strange batteries it seems, and sometimes you have to use the full hard reboot procedure. |
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| 05:35:27 | protonite | hm, fair enough |
| 05:35:30 | Llorean | perldiver: Honestly, I'm just getting it because the price was cheap enough for a 40gb player, and it'll make it easier for me to provide support. |
| 05:36:11 | perldiver | h120 has alot to offer yeah |
| 05:36:36 | Llorean | Color screens 'n all that jazz, not really stuff I use terribly often. |
| 05:36:58 | Llorean | Though if the battery life beats the H120, and the sound quality is comparable it could replace it for everyday use. |
| 05:37:19 | Llorean | Actually, my H120 needs a new battery anyway. The original's too many years old |
| 05:37:25 | protonite | id definitely swap my ipod for my old h140 if i could find one in good condition :/ |
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| 05:40:05 | Llorean | Most of my players are ones I've ended up with through various deals or in the case of my Archos, my brother's old player. |
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| 05:40:23 | webguest96 | i need help |
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| 05:40:34 | Llorean | webguest96: What problem are you having? |
| 05:40:55 | webguest96 | my video ipod is displaying " dara abort at 00041b30" |
| 05:41:01 | webguest96 | data* |
| 05:41:08 | Llorean | What did you do immediately before this happened? |
| 05:41:18 | webguest96 | playing music |
| 05:41:27 | Llorean | What build are you using? |
| 05:41:33 | webguest96 | how do i turn it off |
| 05:41:42 | webguest96 | video ipod v5.5 |
| 05:41:46 | Llorean | Just use the reset combination. |
| 05:42:02 | webguest96 | which is? |
| 05:42:02 | Llorean | No, I meant, how old is the build, and is it an official one. |
| 05:42:06 | Llorean | Menu+Select, hold it for several seconds. |
| 05:42:09 | webguest96 | for rockbox |
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| 05:42:22 | webguest96 | then nest one for video ipod |
| 05:42:42 | webguest96 | thanks |
| 05:42:54 | Llorean | So it's from the SVN Builds link on the site? |
| 05:42:55 | webguest96 | im still new to rockbox |
| 05:43:20 | webguest96 | daily build |
| 05:43:28 | toffe | scubacoles , Llorean : the jtag is accessible on the gigabeat, it is part of my todo list :) |
| 05:43:42 | webguest96 | its a bit hard to find my music though on it |
| 05:43:57 | toffe | to try to connect to it and read (if possible an reflach) |
| 05:43:57 | Llorean | toffe: But is it flashable without the JTAG (once you've got a safe bootloader, can it be flashed by normal users?) |
| 05:44:01 | webguest96 | do i have to get rid of the itunes uploaded music first? |
| 05:44:14 | Llorean | webguest96: Have you read the manual yet? I suggest the portions on Database |
| 05:44:33 | protonite | is there a setting in rockbox thatll make the ipod buttons work as soon as you press them when its been active? not sure to describe what I mean but when Ive not used it for a while it ignores me pressing fastforward/pause etc until Ive played around with the scrollwheel a bit to activate it |
| 05:44:41 | protonite | s/active/inactive/ |
| 05:44:55 | Llorean | protonite: Turn off "First keypress enables backlight" |
| 05:44:56 | toffe | Llorean : I don't think you can flash it without the jtag |
| 05:45:23 | Llorean | toffe: So the Toshiba bootloader built in can never be upgraded in a firmware update? |
| 05:45:54 | webguest96 | can it play my videos? |
| 05:45:58 | protonite | cool, thanks |
| 05:46:04 | Llorean | webguest96: Rockbox does not support the same formats of video. |
| 05:46:13 | webguest96 | oh, k |
| 05:46:17 | Llorean | protonite: It may not help perfectly though. Some of it's just because of the slowness. |
| 05:46:26 | protonite | fair enough |
| 05:46:38 | protonite | it was a lot worse on the June 2006 build i was using |
| 05:46:40 | toffe | Llorean : I don't know enough to answer |
| 05:46:49 | protonite | the new one is far far better so thanks :o |
| 05:46:49 | Llorean | protonite: Try the kernel_on_cop patch. |
| 05:46:57 | Llorean | toffe: Alright, I'm just curious. :) |
| 05:47:11 | webguest96 | ah i got it now |
| 05:47:24 | webguest96 | i hold menu down for 3 seconds or so |
| 05:47:33 | webguest96 | then go to database |
| 05:47:45 | webguest96 | to see my music |
| 05:49:35 | webguest96 | whats a good looking theme |
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| 05:56:14 | KCC | check out beatMPgirl, if you can |
| 05:56:47 | protonite | do using non-default themese decrease batterylife? |
| 05:57:32 | Llorean | protonite: It can depend on the theme. |
| 05:57:47 | Llorean | Animation, alternating sublines, peakmeters, complex graphics can all affect things |
| 05:58:02 | protonite | ok |
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| 05:59:26 | protonite | off to bed, thanks for the help |
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| 06:22:09 | Mnementh114 | i figure people here might be able to answer my rockbox question |
| 06:22:25 | Mnementh114 | is there a way to charge the ipod and play music when running rockbox? |
| 06:22:47 | Mnementh114 | because every time I do, It won't run because it thinks a usb is connected |
| 06:23:10 | Llorean | Hold Menu while plugging it in. |
| 06:23:20 | Mnementh114 | then it boots to old os |
| 06:23:36 | Llorean | AFTER Rockbox is on, Hold Menu, then while menu is down, plug in USB. |
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| 06:24:09 | Mnementh114 | gotcha. |
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| 06:36:45 | webguest36 | why is it that my database "isn't ready" |
| 06:37:00 | Llorean | webguest36: Did you follow the directions for how to get it set up? |
| 06:37:25 | webguest36 | well do i have to restart it? |
| 06:37:51 | webguest36 | onece the cange to the settings has been done? |
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| 06:38:48 | sneakums | perhaps that message should be "database build in progress. please wait." |
| 06:38:56 | sneakums | (assuming that is why it isn't ready) |
| 06:39:00 | Llorean | webguest36: I take it that's a "I haven't read the instructions" then? |
| 06:39:10 | webguest36 | yep |
| 06:39:15 | webguest36 | im very tired |
| 06:39:43 | Llorean | webguest36: And magically the words we put on the screen are easier to read than the words that were already there? |
| 06:40:30 | webguest36 | sorry, you lost me |
| 06:40:38 | sneakums | ha ha. |
| 06:40:46 | Llorean | sneakums: Well, the database can be not ready because the build is in progress, or because the person hasn't restarted after, or because it was never initialized in the first place. |
| 06:40:55 | webguest36 | ah |
| 06:41:04 | webguest36 | that makes sence |
| 06:41:09 | Mouser_X | *sense |
| 06:41:24 | webguest36 | right |
| 06:41:42 | Llorean | webguest36: My point is, if you'd just read the bloody manual you wouldn't have had to ask in the first place, and I don't see how "I'm very tired" is an excuse since reading the manual is something you should've done in the first place, and doesn't require any of us to retype things yet again. |
| 06:43:09 | Llorean | Seriously, the manual was written for a reason and it's rather frustrating that when I asked if you'd read it, you attempted to dodge the subject. |
| 06:43:36 | webguest36 | i understand that the manual was made for that |
| 06:43:51 | webguest36 | and i did read the basic stuff |
| 06:44:00 | webguest36 | and a bit more after |
| 06:44:17 | webguest36 | i just wanted a live answer |
| 06:44:25 | Llorean | Why? |
| 06:44:43 | webguest36 | i find it to be faster |
| 06:44:49 | Llorean | Did the logic go something like "They already wrote it down for me, but I should make them type it again even though it's the very same people saying it?" |
| 06:45:24 | Llorean | So, the logic is "I want to make someone else work to save me time" then. |
| 06:45:39 | Llorean | That's what "Getting someone to tell it to me so it's faster for me" boils down to. |
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| 06:46:01 | Mouser_X | <webguest36> i find it to be faster |
| 06:46:01 | Mouser_X | webguest36: It wasn't faster this time... |
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| 06:50:34 | johnd0e | hey room |
| 06:50:49 | Mouser_X | Howdy johnd0e |
| 06:51:08 | johnd0e | I have a quick couple of questions about rockbox on a ipod 5g |
| 06:51:15 | Mouser_X | Shoot. |
| 06:51:43 | johnd0e | Does rockbox support the ipod wall chargers ? |
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| 06:51:48 | Mouser_X | (As in, dang, sorry, I can't help.) |
| 06:51:51 | Mouser_X | :P |
| 06:51:54 | johnd0e | lol |
| 06:51:58 | Mouser_X | I don't know, but I would assume so. |
| 06:51:59 | Llorean | johnd0e: Yes. |
| 06:52:08 | johnd0e | Hmmm. |
| 06:52:30 | johnd0e | Perhaps the charger I have is defective then... Damn cheap foreign electronics... |
| 06:52:39 | johnd0e | Another: |
| 06:52:53 | sneakums | you could check for sure by booting into the apple firmware, if you have dual boot |
| 06:53:08 | johnd0e | wow, sneakums just brought up my next question |
| 06:53:16 | johnd0e | how can you dualboot with orig firmware? |
| 06:53:20 | johnd0e | ipodpatcher? |
| 06:53:43 | Mouser_X | No, start Rockbox, and while it's booting, turn on the HOLD button (is that right?) |
| 06:53:55 | Llorean | johnd0e: If you installed it properly, you just turn on the hold switch immediately after powering up |
| 06:53:56 | Mouser_X | (I know it's close to that) |
| 06:54:01 | johnd0e | Is that in the documentation anywhere? |
| 06:54:09 | Llorean | Or if you have the old bootloader, hole Menu down while booting. |
| 06:54:15 | johnd0e | I scoured the docs and didn't find anything... |
| 06:54:19 | Llorean | johnd0e: It's in the IpodFAQ on the website, and *probably* in the manual too. |
| 06:54:42 | johnd0e | Leave it to technology to leave me feeling stupid... haha... |
| 06:55:43 | johnd0e | Note for others: It is the hold switch. Boot the ipod with hold on, and it will boot orig firmware. |
| 06:55:50 | johnd0e | Thanks for the help guys |
| 06:56:12 | Mouser_X | Well, I try. |
| 06:56:19 | Mouser_X | Sorry I couldn't be of service... |
| 06:56:41 | johnd0e | no problem. You're part of a great community |
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| 06:56:58 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 06:57:08 | johnd0e | What a polite nick, FOAD... |
| 06:57:52 | johnd0e | @llorean, Yeah, it was there in the IpodFAQ... Darn... I didn't check that. |
| 06:58:20 | Mouser_X | johnd0e: It wasn't until you said that, that I realized it wasn't a mispelling of "toad." |
| 06:58:23 | Mouser_X | :( |
| 06:58:31 | johnd0e | lol |
| 06:58:53 | Mouser_X | There are some things that I am very happily ignorant of. |
| 06:59:29 | perldiver | Mouser_X any progress on wps? |
| 06:59:39 | Mouser_X | Not at this time. |
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| 06:59:50 | Mouser_X | I'll probably get back to it on Friday. |
| 06:59:58 | perldiver | im about to start drawing icons for mine |
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| 07:00:12 | Mouser_X | Icons? In what form? |
| 07:00:19 | Mouser_X | Or, I should say, what's their use? |
| 07:00:36 | perldiver | well, battery, play/pause, shuffle etc etc |
| 07:00:43 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
| 07:00:55 | Mouser_X | Yes, I still need to do those (and figure out their placement). |
| 07:01:04 | johnd0e | well anyways, thanks to you all for the help and have a good morning/night/afternoon! |
| 07:01:07 | Mouser_X | Well, for the battery anyway. |
| 07:01:18 | goffa | evening folks |
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| 07:01:47 | Mouser_X | I have play, pause, stop, shuffle, repeat, and all the standard buttons of Winamp to take care of that stuff. |
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| 07:02:27 | Mouser_X | Though, because of the multiple modes of repeat, I might have to modify that... |
| 07:02:38 | Mouser_X | Or, display it in 2 places, or something. |
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| 07:20:39 | webguest62 | Anyone know why my Ist gen ipod nano won't be found by ipodpatcher |
| 07:21:07 | webguest62 | ive done it like 50 different ways |
| 07:21:25 | Mouser_X | Reminds me of Thomas Edison. |
| 07:21:36 | webguest62 | ? |
| 07:21:56 | Mouser_X | "I didn't fail 5000 times when making the light-bulb. I learned 5000 ways not to build a light-bulb." |
| 07:22:11 | webguest62 | O |
| 07:22:16 | Mouser_X | (Take note, that's not a direct quote, but he did say something pretty close to it.) |
| 07:22:36 | Mouser_X | Sorry, I don't have an answer for you. |
| 07:23:10 | webguest62 | sorry i don't have that long and im not Thomas Edison |
| 07:23:31 | webguest62 | anyone else maybe |
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| 07:24:33 | webguest62 | it just says no ipod found |
| 07:26:31 | webguest62 | it says i need to make it show up as a disk drive but i can onlty think of 2 ways so thats what 4 combinations |
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| 07:27:48 | webguest62 | all right Im assuming that means no one knows thats currently here |
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| 07:39:28 | sneakums | i'm pretty sure it's a case of "open to itunes, tick box" |
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| 08:23:38 | akadewboy | Can I get write permission for the Wiki so I can upload my WPS? WikiName: RobertOlenichak |
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| 08:48:10 | JdGordon | akadewboy: done |
| 08:48:19 | JdGordon | any perl/script kiddies here? |
| 08:49:13 | akadewboy | thank you :D |
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| 08:52:32 | AndreSmith | I downloaded the rockbox zip and rockboy.rock doesnt seem to be there |
| 08:52:47 | LinusN | which platform? |
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| 08:53:03 | AndreSmith | e200 |
| 08:53:20 | LinusN | i guess rockbox hasn't yet been ported to the sansa |
| 08:53:26 | LinusN | sorry, rockboy |
| 08:53:33 | AndreSmith | Oh, but it has, many people with a sansa have rockboy on theirs |
| 08:53:45 | LinusN | are you looking in the right place? |
| 08:53:54 | AndreSmith | .rockbox/viewers? |
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| 08:55:09 | AndreSmith | strange, does that mean it might have been taken off? |
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| 08:55:54 | AndreSmith | Where would I acquire rockboy then? |
| 08:58:38 | LinusN | i'm surprised to hear that it has been there and then removed |
| 08:58:51 | AndreSmith | I wonder why |
| 08:58:58 | AndreSmith | is there anyway to get it though? |
| 08:59:11 | LinusN | stay tuned, i'm checking |
| 08:59:21 | AndreSmith | Thanks |
| 08:59:49 | amiconn | mo0ning |
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| 09:01:00 | amiconn | Bagder: Did you make the buildmaster exclude godeater.dyndns.org and lostlogicx.com from simulator builds? |
| 09:01:29 | * | amiconn noticed the absence of yellow in his latest commit |
| 09:01:39 | B4 | amiconn: nope |
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| 09:02:31 | amiconn | weird. All previous builds had some yellow due to the bad gcc |
| 09:02:36 | Bagderr | I've only removed slasher's server |
| 09:02:46 | Bagderr | so I guess the distribution is now very different |
| 09:04:00 | AndreSmith | LinusN: Found anything? |
| 09:04:02 | amiconn | Hmm, possible |
| 09:05:47 | LinusN | AndreSmith: this is really weird. Rockboy is being built when i build the sansa code myself, but not by the build servers |
| 09:06:03 | AndreSmith | Strange |
| 09:06:06 | AndreSmith | Why is that so? |
| 09:06:07 | LinusN | really |
| 09:06:12 | LinusN | i wish i knew |
| 09:06:31 | AndreSmith | Well, for the time being is it possible to send me the plugin? |
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| 09:06:57 | Bagderr | is that problem in the daily builds too? |
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| 09:07:48 | AndreSmith | I dont think the e200 is on the daily builds yet |
| 09:07:49 | AndreSmith | Is it? |
| 09:08:04 | LinusN | no, only svn builds |
| 09:08:08 | Bagderr | uhm |
| 09:08:12 | Bagderr | I'll add it |
| 09:08:15 | amiconn | Bagderr: Hmm, fnarfbargle.com might have the same problem as Slasheri's server |
| 09:08:27 | LinusN | not svn converted? |
| 09:08:28 | Bagderr | I'll check |
| 09:08:40 | amiconn | The latest build is missing rockboy, but the previous one has it |
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| 09:09:03 | amiconn | Previous was built on a different server, farsan.haxx.se |
| 09:09:14 | Bagderr | indeed |
| 09:09:21 | Bagderr | fnarfbargle.com is bad |
| 09:09:43 | LinusN | amiconn: you can always trust farsan :-) |
| 09:13:48 | Bagderr | do I disabled both fnarfbargles |
| 09:13:52 | Bagderr | s/do/so |
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| 09:14:53 | LinusN | Bagder: what's the issue with it? |
| 09:14:59 | Bagderr | no svn |
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| 09:15:06 | Bagderr | rather no checkout repo |
| 09:15:15 | LinusN | why not do it then? |
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| 09:15:31 | Bagderr | I'm not sure they want me to |
| 09:15:42 | Bagderr | I rather ask the admins to do it |
| 09:15:42 | LinusN | ok |
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| 09:16:34 | LinusN | has anybody tried to run the ipod ata patch on another platform? |
| 09:17:00 | * | tucoz notices more manual commits from Mr. Ross. Yay! |
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| 09:18:17 | tucoz | midgey_: nice work :) |
| 09:18:23 | GodEater | which ATA patch would that be Linus ? |
| 09:20:49 | GodEater | nevermind - found it |
| 09:21:50 | DataGhost | did you get fat32 to work then LinusN? or what exactly :) |
| 09:22:17 | LinusN | DataGhost: i take it you haven't checked my patch :-) |
| 09:22:17 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6549 |
| 09:22:27 | DataGhost | if necessary I cn test it on my 4G iPod after my exam today, if that's 'another' enough :) |
| 09:22:32 | DataGhost | no I haven't checked it yet indeed :) |
| 09:23:04 | LinusN | it turns out that fat32 is very much non-trivial to fix |
| 09:23:13 | DataGhost | heh |
| 09:23:16 | DataGhost | and ext3? |
| 09:23:19 | DataGhost | or didn't you try that? |
| 09:23:26 | LinusN | rockbox doesn't have ext3 |
| 09:23:37 | DataGhost | oh ok :P |
| 09:23:42 | DataGhost | I really need to try it on my 4G some time :P |
| 09:24:42 | Bagderr | and now, we have a daily sansa build too |
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| 09:25:11 | GodEater | LinusN: sadly I don't have another target with me here to test at the moment - but since I'd like to test it on my 5.5G, I'd like to ask: do I need to build both the bootloader and the firmware, or can I do just the firmware ? |
| 09:26:23 | LinusN | it won't be able to load the firmware, so don't bother :-) |
| 09:26:36 | GodEater | just bootleader then ? |
| 09:27:12 | LinusN | yes, and with an unmodified ipod.c, you won't see anything else but a hang |
| 09:27:15 | * | GodEater assumes this will just display the MBR properly |
| 09:27:21 | LinusN | not even that |
| 09:27:30 | GodEater | no? still sleep() hangs ? |
| 09:28:35 | LinusN | because the current ipod.c displays the partition table *after* mounting the file system |
| 09:28:50 | LinusN | which fails, since fat32 isn't fixed yet |
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| 09:29:00 | GodEater | ah |
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| 09:29:07 | sneakums | ah, that explains why my experiment of changing the mbr-read to be 1024 bytes didn't seem to do anything |
| 09:29:13 | LinusN | probably |
| 09:29:18 | sneakums | that'll teach me to look more carefully |
| 09:29:26 | sneakums | (actually, it probably won't) |
| 09:30:04 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 09:30:35 | GodEater | I saw your note in the logs re: fat 32 directory handling being very 512 byte centric |
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| 09:31:08 | LinusN | GodEater: yes, in the rockbox driver |
| 09:31:19 | GodEater | well that's what I meant ;) |
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| 09:32:41 | LinusN | the rockbox fat driver is very optimized for low memory usage |
| 09:32:48 | GodEater | as I would expect |
| 09:33:17 | LinusN | but that unfortunately made it harder to adapt for 1024-byte physical sectors |
| 09:33:52 | LinusN | i curse toshiba for not allowing 1-sector reads |
| 09:34:05 | GodEater | I second your curse, and also thumb my nose at them |
| 09:34:25 | sneakums | i additionally set them on fire |
| 09:34:33 | LinusN | :-) |
| 09:34:50 | GodEater | in fact, I nominate them Rockbox's "Public Enemy No. 1" for the month. |
| 09:36:03 | GodEater | here's an idea |
| 09:36:31 | GodEater | is it worth just re-writing ata_read_sectors so that it always reads 2, and always throws away the second one ? |
| 09:36:36 | GodEater | very inefficient |
| 09:36:41 | GodEater | but perhaps easy to make this worth with ? |
| 09:37:18 | * | GodEater waits for his shiny idea to get shot down in flames and stamped on.... |
| 09:37:50 | LinusN | GodEater: then it wouldn't be compatible with the existing filesystem |
| 09:37:56 | GodEater | heh - I can imagine amiconn choking into his breakfast just reading that |
| 09:38:07 | GodEater | ah well - it was just an idea |
| 09:38:31 | GodEater | how is the exisiting file system done then ? |
| 09:38:55 | LinusN | according to the fat32 specification |
| 09:39:08 | GodEater | I'll google for it |
| 09:39:21 | LinusN | if we only used every second sector, we will not be able to read the filesystem |
| 09:39:27 | sneakums | it's a horrible word document somewhere on microsoft.com, iirc |
| 09:40:02 | sneakums | LinusN: well, i think the idea is more to round the requested sector down to even, read 1024 bytes, and throw away whicever half isn't needed |
| 09:40:10 | sneakums | so it would read the existing format |
| 09:40:15 | LinusN | GodEater: no need to google, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/FAT32Spec103.pdf |
| 09:40:40 | sneakums | but the writing would be horrible if you try to hide it that way, i guess |
| 09:40:52 | sneakums | since you'd have to read the 1024 bytes, change the right 512, and write it back |
| 09:41:00 | sneakums | (assuming writes as constrained as reads are) |
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| 09:41:08 | LinusN | sneakums: yes, that is a way, but then we must handle unaligned reads and writes by buffering, and that is a mess |
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| 09:41:50 | GodEater | I did a cursory inspection of the code tree, and never came up with anywhere that we were reading many sectors at once |
| 09:41:58 | LinusN | it's not that fixing the fat32 driver is impossible, just not as easy as i had hoped for |
| 09:42:37 | LinusN | GodEater: exactly, the only places we do that is when we read/write files |
| 09:42:40 | GodEater | so I always figured it was currently returning 512 byte buffers |
| 09:43:46 | GodEater | so my idea was to just modify ata_read_sectors to always return the first 512 bytes from a 2 sector read. That way the code calling ata_read_sectors would always get back what it currently expects |
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| 09:44:08 | LinusN | GodEater: what about when it reads an odd sector? |
| 09:44:16 | GodEater | but that would become very messy (as you say) when we start doing more sectors at one time than just one. |
| 09:44:37 | GodEater | does the Toshiba driver moan when you give it an odd starting sector number as well then ? |
| 09:44:44 | GodEater | s/driver/controller |
| 09:44:56 | LinusN | afaik, yes |
| 09:45:02 | GodEater | what a pain |
| 09:45:04 | sneakums | the ata spec seems to indicate you'd have to do the i/o on multiples of the physical sector size |
| 09:45:13 | GodEater | I thought we just had to set NSECTORS to a power of 2 |
| 09:45:26 | GodEater | not LBA to be a power of 2 as well |
| 09:45:52 | sneakums | er, my sentence didn't really say what i wanted it to say, i think |
| 09:45:57 | sneakums | but you get it anyway :) |
| 09:46:28 | LinusN | GodEater: we basically have to align the i/o to the physical sector size |
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| 09:47:05 | GodEater | has anyone (i.e. you ;) ) actually tried an odd numbered sector offset to read ? Cos if you haven't I'll try it now. |
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| 09:47:37 | LinusN | GodEater: try it, i would be utterly surprised if it worked |
| 09:48:58 | * | GodEater gets to it |
| 09:51:19 | LinusN | even if that worked, we would still have a nightmare to support 1-sector writes |
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| 09:54:43 | GodEater | aware of that now that sneakums pointed it out - I'm now just burning with curiousity ;) |
| 09:58:13 | Exodus | hey ladies and gents |
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| 10:02:29 | Exodus | was wondering if some one could clarify if you can watch standard ipod video format with rockbox before i go and install it with linuxbooter |
| 10:04:11 | LinusN | Exodus: the answer is no, but you can always boot the original firmware to watch them |
| 10:04:12 | GodEater | read the mpegplayerplugin page on the wiki |
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| 10:04:33 | Exodus | ok thank you at least i know my options |
| 10:05:12 | Exodus | ive been reading some of the wiki and have found that the mpeg player is some what slow |
| 10:05:55 | petur | rotfl |
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| 10:21:26 | webguest52 | Hello |
| 10:22:29 | webguest52 | Just wondering, does RockBox work with the iAudio 6? |
| 10:24:38 | bluebrother | no |
| 10:24:52 | bluebrother | it works only on the players that are stated at the frontpage. |
| 10:25:35 | webguest52 | Hm, bummer. I have to buy some number of audio units for a university project but the X5 seems to be discontinued. |
| 10:26:43 | bluebrother | you can look in the New Ports forums if there is a discussion about that player. |
| 10:27:01 | bluebrother | but I doubt that −− never heard of an iaudio 6 |
| 10:27:27 | webguest52 | It's the newest version, I thought. http://global.cowon.com/product/product_iAUDIO6_feature.php |
| 10:28:04 | Thundercloud | bluebrother: the 6 has been out for quite a while. |
| 10:28:47 | webguest52 | Any idea if there are technical reasons why Rockbox wouldn't work on the iAudio 6? |
| 10:29:00 | bluebrother | hmm, I'm definitely not up to date |
| 10:29:25 | bluebrother | do you know techical details about the iaudio6? Like CPU? |
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| 10:30:51 | webguest52 | I don't, unfortunately (googling now) |
| 10:30:52 | GodEater | hmmm - my ipod appears stuck in wait_for_bsy() |
| 10:30:59 | LinusN | it's too bad that they decided to discontinue the x5, it was a very popular rockbox target |
| 10:31:12 | LinusN | and a very good player in general |
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| 10:32:20 | webguest52 | Yeah, I want to buy 5 units but the stores here say "no can do, no longer sold" |
| 10:32:39 | webguest52 | So I might have to buy the iAudio 6 but I need to know if RockBox will work on them |
| 10:32:55 | LinusN | no it won't, at least not in the near future |
| 10:33:06 | LinusN | try to get hold of some x5's from another store |
| 10:33:16 | bluebrother | amazon.de seems to still have some in stock |
| 10:33:27 | webguest52 | University regulations unfortunately require me to purchase from approved sellers, argh. |
| 10:33:38 | LinusN | their loss then |
| 10:34:13 | webguest52 | Is porting to X6 probably difficult? Or probably similar? Or impossible to say? |
| 10:34:28 | LinusN | the x6 is a totally different beast, afaik |
| 10:34:33 | webguest52 | Aaargh. |
| 10:34:40 | bluebrother | so no more coldfire? Too bad. |
| 10:34:45 | LinusN | very bad |
| 10:35:41 | webguest52 | Well, I'll try to convince my superiors to purchase remaining X5s from non-approved sources. |
| 10:35:56 | webguest52 | Thanks for the info guys. |
| 10:36:20 | bluebrother | found a firmware file for the iaudio6. I6_FW.bin with over 7MiB size |
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| 10:38:16 | GodEater | LinusN: any idea why I'm stuck in wait_for_bsy() now ? That's not happened before AFAIAW |
| 10:38:18 | LinusN | i'm not surprised that cowon pulled the x5, it has been on the market for quite some time |
| 10:38:24 | webguest52 | *ears perk up* bluebrother - does that mean rockbox will run on the i6??? |
| 10:38:43 | LinusN | GodEater: because the fat code reads 1 sector at a time |
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| 10:39:37 | GodEater | I've not got as far as the filesystem yet |
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| 10:40:02 | LinusN | can you even buy an i6 in europe? |
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| 10:40:27 | GodEater | This hasnt even finished ata_init() yet LinusN |
| 10:40:34 | GodEater | it's not gone near the fat code yet |
| 10:40:53 | LinusN | GodEater: interesting, what have you changed? |
| 10:42:12 | webguest52 | Tech info in i6: http://iaudiophile.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-8344.html |
| 10:42:21 | webguest52 | s/in i6/on i6/ |
| 10:43:20 | GodEater | LinusN: apart from the odd numbered start in the call to get the MBR - nothing |
| 10:43:23 | GodEater | and it's not got there yet |
| 10:44:05 | LinusN | weird |
| 10:44:43 | GodEater | very |
| 10:45:11 | * | GodEater curses |
| 10:45:21 | GodEater | and now - for no reason at all |
| 10:45:25 | GodEater | it's just finished ata_init() |
| 10:45:47 | GodEater | so it's not stuck there anymore |
| 10:46:39 | LinusN | "odd numbered start"? |
| 10:47:07 | LinusN | ah, an unaligned read? |
| 10:48:09 | GodEater | well I just brutally hacked disk_init() to read sector 1, not sector 0, just to see if ata_read_sectors() would return without an error |
| 10:49:16 | GodEater | and I got no error |
| 10:49:41 | LinusN | did you change it to read only 1 sector too? |
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| 10:51:01 | GodEater | nope - still reading 2 |
| 10:52:04 | daurnimator | o.o |
| 10:52:08 | daurnimator | where is jd? |
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| 10:54:57 | GodEater | this is odd |
| 10:55:08 | GodEater | it's hanging again now I've taken more of my printfs out |
| 10:56:44 | bluebrother | webguest52: no, that doesn't mean anything. I was just a bit surprised by the size |
| 10:57:03 | bluebrother | I guess that file is encrypted, so simply disassembling it won't work |
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| 11:01:18 | GodEater | I'd completely disregard that no error statement from above |
| 11:01:29 | GodEater | I only managed to get my iPod to that stage once |
| 11:01:37 | GodEater | now it's just hanging randomly again |
| 11:02:30 | LinusN | GodEater: are you running the bootloader? |
| 11:02:50 | GodEater | yes |
| 11:03:04 | GodEater | I went through and replace all the sleep() calls with udelay() calls |
| 11:03:09 | GodEater | doesn't seem to make any difference |
| 11:03:13 | LinusN | ok |
| 11:03:25 | GodEater | I don't think that's where it's hanging |
| 11:03:39 | GodEater | when I got to the point with numerous printf()s of narrowing it down |
| 11:03:46 | GodEater | it suddenly skipped past the point it was hanging |
| 11:03:54 | GodEater | it's *somewhere* in set_multiple_mode() |
| 11:03:57 | LinusN | but this is still with the unaligned read? |
| 11:04:00 | GodEater | but I'm not sure why or how |
| 11:04:06 | GodEater | well it's not got that far though |
| 11:04:11 | LinusN | i see |
| 11:04:12 | GodEater | so I'm not sure that's relevant |
| 11:04:18 | GodEater | it's still in ata_init() |
| 11:04:22 | GodEater | before it shows the HD model |
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| 11:04:35 | LinusN | weird indeed |
| 11:04:42 | GodEater | yeah =/ |
| 11:04:54 | GodEater | and as soon as I took the printf()s out again - it hung again |
| 11:04:59 | LinusN | so it hasn't even tried to perform a READ_MULTIPLE? |
| 11:04:59 | norbusan | Nicolas, are you here? |
| 11:05:05 | GodEater | nope it hasn't |
| 11:05:15 | LinusN | major weirdness |
| 11:05:18 | GodEater | I don't understand it |
| 11:05:27 | GodEater | three weeks ago this was utterly reliable |
| 11:05:44 | * | amiconn would like to see rockbox on the M5 |
| 11:05:54 | tucoz | bluebrother. run strings on the file. Iirc, the x5 fw is not encrypted. |
| 11:05:55 | amiconn | Should be fairly easy |
| 11:06:18 | LinusN | amiconn: yes it should be easy |
| 11:06:27 | tucoz | bluebrother: and i think i ran strings on the x6 as well some time ago, and i think it wasn't encrypted |
| 11:06:43 | * | tucoz says think a lot |
| 11:06:48 | LinusN | but can you buy an m5 nowadays? i think not. |
| 11:06:55 | tucoz | s/says/writes |
| 11:07:11 | webguest52 | Sorry for the noob question, but what use is the fw file? Reverse engineering the binary firmware? |
| 11:08:10 | tucoz | You can find info on the hardware used for instance |
| 11:09:38 | tucoz | webguest52. it is a lot easier to add a bootloader to the player if the original fw is not encrypted. |
| 11:10:16 | webguest52 | Ah, I get it. Reminds me of hacking disk boot sectors on my Atari 800 back in the day. |
| 11:11:46 | webguest52 | i6_FW.bin appears unencrypted (just downloaded and ran strings on it) |
| 11:12:56 | tucoz | yep. so i remember it to be |
| 11:13:31 | webguest52 | What's the general process of adding a bootloader? Reverse engineer magic numbers for booting, disassemble the code, insert a jump point to your code, that sort of thing? |
| 11:13:39 | tucoz | try and see what info you can gather by looking through that. you can get hints to what hw and libraries is used etc. |
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| 11:13:56 | tucoz | webguest52. ask LinusN that |
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| 11:14:28 | bluebrother | looks really like the FW isn't encrypted. |
| 11:14:35 | LinusN | webguest52: yes, that's basically it |
| 11:14:39 | bluebrother | strings even tells something about cue sheets. |
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| 11:15:46 | webguest52 | I wish I had time to work on this sort of porting officially :-( |
| 11:16:04 | GodEater | why not work on it unofficially then ? ;) |
| 11:16:09 | bluebrother | ok ... TELECHIPS TCC720 USB MMC |
| 11:16:30 | LinusN | oh |
| 11:16:33 | webguest52 | Different then the X5? |
| 11:16:39 | bluebrother | at least that is found by strings |
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| 11:17:24 | * | bluebrother even found some windows file paths with strings |
| 11:17:38 | tucoz | iirc, i found references to coldfire in that fw file. i could be wrong though. |
| 11:17:57 | webguest52 | Yeah I saw the windows file paths, must be leftovers from their development environment seeping into the binaries. Kinda funny though. |
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| 11:18:40 | LinusN | webguest52: the iriver firmware had all the debug strings left in the binary, a gold mine for reverse engineers |
| 11:18:51 | Bagderr | __FILE__ is nice |
| 11:18:54 | webguest52 | Ah... never thought about that. Interesting, interesting. |
| 11:19:32 | Bagderr | those telechips are the usual "we don't show the world anything" kind of chips |
| 11:19:38 | bluebrother | yeah, __func__ also :) |
| 11:19:55 | webguest52 | I remember 15 years ago I released a "copy-protected" shareware program with the debug strings in the executable :-) |
| 11:20:06 | LinusN | hehe |
| 11:20:36 | bluebrother | use obfuscated debug stings like "!!!" only ;-) |
| 11:21:32 | webguest52 | So, anyway, i6 is probably technically possible with RockBox given the firmware, right? |
| 11:21:47 | webguest52 | Or are those famous last words? |
| 11:22:40 | LinusN | technically, yes |
| 11:23:01 | webguest52 | Looks like some DRM stuff in the firmware too, REVOCATIONINFO WMDRMNET_RVK LICENSERESPONSE DRM_HDS_HASHKEY1DRM_HDS_HASHKEY2 |
| 11:23:34 | tucoz | I wonder what processor the U3 uses. it might have been that fw file i ran through strings |
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| 11:32:11 | LinusN | tucoz: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioU3Info |
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| 11:33:54 | GodEater | I would say that it's *technically* possible to port rockbox to all sorts of targets, including a full on PC. That doesn't mean that a) anyone ever will, or b) that it's a good idea :) |
| 11:33:57 | webguest52 | I assume the SDK for such chips costs $$$? |
| 11:34:21 | LinusN | it's not so much the $$$, it's rather the NDA |
| 11:34:26 | webguest52 | Ah... |
| 11:34:30 | GodEater | webguest52: that's one hurdle - but they're normaly bound up in NDAs too - which would mean we couldn't use them, even if we could afford them |
| 11:34:50 | Bagderr | the tccs mostly use arm cores |
| 11:35:00 | Bagderr | so there's no need for any SDK from them, just docs |
| 11:36:57 | GodEater | Bagder - did that guy Stephen from positive get back to you at all yet? Last I heard (in the email we were both cc'd on) he was still reading the buildserver wiki page ? |
| 11:37:20 | Bagderr | I've only gor that single reply as well |
| 11:37:25 | Bagderr | got |
| 11:37:35 | GodEater | I'll give him a nudge again today then |
| 11:37:50 | GodEater | I wonder what sort of box he has for us |
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| 11:40:14 | * | bluebrother just found batik −− http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/batik/ |
| 11:40:38 | bluebrother | tucoz: converter between pdf and svg |
| 11:43:22 | bluebrother | too bad it's java |
| 11:44:18 | markun | bluebrother: there is also a little tool called svg2pdf http://cairographics.org/snapshots/ |
| 11:44:25 | markun | or do you want it the other way around? |
| 11:44:50 | amiconn | Bagder: [11:34:50] <Bagderr> the tccs mostly use arm cores <== mostly, but not always. Think of the TCC730... |
| 11:45:13 | Bagderr | I know, hence "mostly" since I think that's the only exception |
| 11:45:57 | amiconn | Running a main firmware on a dsp seems just weird. |
| 11:48:30 | * | LinusN runs the sansa emulator |
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| 11:51:11 | voltagex | hi guys, anything interesting happening in 'box world? |
| 11:51:34 | LinusN | not really, move along, nothing here to see :-) |
| 11:51:42 | voltagex | lol |
| 11:51:52 | voltagex | I wish I was skilled enough to hack on rockbox. |
| 11:52:05 | LinusN | well, austria microsystems has given indications that they will help us |
| 11:52:15 | voltagex | ooh, who are they? |
| 11:52:23 | LinusN | we have progress on the ipod 80gb |
| 11:52:50 | voltagex | and I can't speak oesterdeutsch (sp?) |
| 11:53:24 | LinusN | voltagex: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AustriaMicrosystems |
| 11:53:39 | voltagex | the wiki is useful :D |
| 11:53:53 | voltagex | Austria Mikro Systeme International AG |
| 11:53:55 | voltagex | austriamicrosystems is a leading designer and manufacturer of high performance analog ICs. |
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| 11:55:09 | voltagex | sounds good |
| 11:55:13 | voltagex | any help is good |
| 11:55:20 | voltagex | Rockbox for president! |
| 11:55:40 | Genre9mp3 | The AS3514 chip is on Sansa? I can't find it in the SandiskE200HardwareComponents page.. What does this chip does? |
| 11:55:52 | Genre9mp3 | </plain_curiosity> |
| 11:56:01 | barrywardell | it''s the dac |
| 11:56:13 | Genre9mp3 | I see.. ok |
| 11:56:15 | voltagex | Is it used in any other players? |
| 11:56:22 | barrywardell | used for audio, power management, loads of other stuff |
| 11:56:38 | barrywardell | it's inside the pp5024 chip |
| 11:57:07 | voltagex | chips inside chips... *head asplode!* |
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| 12:02:51 | tucoz | bluebrother, markun. Looks interesting. the current method to convert svg->pdf is a bit cumbersome |
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| 12:04:36 | Genre9mp3 | haha! Someone at MR asked how to access Rockbox menu on H300. As he mentions, he wonders "why holding NAVI doesn't work"! And I wonder... beside the fact that he didn't RTFM, why on earth didn't try other buttons before posting??? bah... |
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| 12:08:49 | markun | tucoz: what do you use now? |
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| 12:11:16 | tucoz | markun: the svg is exported to eps from inkscape and then i run a tool called epstopdf on that file |
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| 12:12:05 | tucoz | it produces very tiny pdf's, but it would be great to skip the intermediate step and preferably do it all on commandline |
| 12:12:21 | tucoz | with one single tool |
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| 12:13:15 | markun | tucoz: I believe the pdfs generated with svg2pdf were very well compressed |
| 12:13:31 | markun | NOT very well |
| 12:13:53 | tucoz | oh. sounds great. i'll have to try that out when i get home |
| 12:14:10 | tucoz | oh |
| 12:14:17 | tucoz | not very well. i see |
| 12:15:18 | tucoz | i'll test both svg2pdf and batik later today |
| 12:18:23 | markun | ok |
| 12:18:42 | bluebrother | tucoz: inkscape can also export from the command line. Haven't tried it yet. |
| 12:18:44 | markun | tucoz: there are also some little tools to (re)compress a PDF file |
| 12:19:12 | bluebrother | I would prefer to be able integrating the conversion in the build itself\ |
| 12:21:16 | markun | bluebrother: hm, yes, that would be better. I'll keep looking |
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| 12:24:59 | bluebrother | I'll try the command line conversion from inkscape when I find time. |
| 12:25:14 | bluebrother | but I don't like adding inkscape as build dependency |
| 12:25:47 | markun | bluebrother: the tool I linked you too requires cairo |
| 12:26:33 | bluebrother | I noticed that. |
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| 12:26:56 | bluebrother | and the box I can access right now is too old to build a current cairo |
| 12:27:21 | bluebrother | I should really upgrade the installation on that box |
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| 12:34:26 | tucoz | bluebrother: there could be a problem if we add the conversion in the build. Inkscape and Corel treats layering differently for the same .svgs. We would have to be sure that the output pdf is working somehow. |
| 12:35:04 | tucoz | s/ Is working / converted correctly |
| 12:36:02 | bluebrother | hmpf. But maybe we could do the conversion to png during building |
| 12:36:16 | bluebrother | I'd like to reduce the redundancy of the images |
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| 12:38:01 | Mikachu | how many people actually build the manual themselves? |
| 12:39:30 | tucoz | Mikachu. 396 people on our last count ;) |
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| 12:40:21 | tucoz | bluebrother: i agree. it feels wrong to have 3 copies of each image in svn. |
| 12:41:45 | Mikachu | heh, okay |
| 12:41:49 | bluebrother | tucoz: you counted the people? *g* |
| 12:42:06 | Mikachu | just thought you might not have to be so careful about adding dependencies to it |
| 12:42:28 | bluebrother | it should at least be safe for building on windows and mac |
| 12:43:02 | * | n1s builds lots of manuals and dont want more dependencies uless they add something great |
| 12:43:23 | linuxstb_ | Do those images change very often? |
| 12:43:29 | tucoz | no. almost never |
| 12:43:38 | bluebrother | we should add a phone-home-and-tell-when-building-the-manual feature ;-) |
| 12:43:52 | linuxstb_ | In which case, I think it's better to reduce build dependencies. |
| 12:44:15 | tucoz | but we want to have both the images needed by the buildsystem, and the svg that is used for editing. |
| 12:44:16 | bluebrother | having our own tool in the tools/ folder would be ok for me |
| 12:44:31 | bluebrother | but I agree we shouldn't have too much dependencies |
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| 12:46:09 | linuxstb_ | tucoz: So just put them both in SVN... I assume that's how it is now? |
| 12:47:12 | tucoz | yes. that is how it is done |
| 12:47:13 | bluebrother | yes. svg, pdf and png (for the web) |
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| 12:54:30 | austriancoder | I have a question about svn... are all old cvs accounts transferd to svn? |
| 12:55:38 | linuxstb_ | Yes, but you need to email Bagder a new password (telling him your old cvs username). |
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| 12:56:24 | GodEater | assuming you had one :) |
| 12:56:41 | austriancoder | GodEater: jep i had one |
| 12:56:51 | GodEater | I figured you did, or you wouldn't have asked |
| 12:56:59 | GodEater | mind you - we get all sorts in here |
| 12:57:00 | austriancoder | linuxstb_: thanks.. will mail him |
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| 12:58:31 | GodEater | try not to cc: the rockbox-dev mailing list with your new password like safetydan did :) |
| 12:59:15 | voltagex | offtopic but if I want to automate a cvs/svn checkout, how do I supply my password? |
| 12:59:37 | voltagex | #cvs is dead |
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| 13:00:16 | GodEater | you don't supply your password at all for checkout |
| 13:01:09 | voltagex | GodEater: this isn't for rockbox, the server asks for a password at login |
| 13:01:29 | GodEater | that's login - not checkout |
| 13:01:44 | GodEater | AFAIU you only do that once |
| 13:01:46 | voltagex | ok, my bad |
| 13:02:05 | voltagex | well it isn't reading .cvspass for some reason |
| 13:03:13 | GodEater | how do you know ? |
| 13:03:39 | voltagex | it's still asking me for the password, when the password is in .cvspass ;) |
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| 13:04:15 | GodEater | which OS ? |
| 13:04:31 | voltagex | os x, but a bog standard CVS afaik |
| 13:04:44 | GodEater | does OSX have strace ? |
| 13:05:05 | voltagex | bash: strace: command not found |
| 13:05:12 | GodEater | guess not then |
| 13:05:23 | voltagex | checking the fink repository |
| 13:05:42 | voltagex | I can probably compile it |
| 13:05:58 | n1s | Any gigabeaters here that knows if Car adapter mode is working or included in the gigabeat builds |
| 13:06:39 | GodEater | I wonder if I should mention to Llorean that I saw a Gigabeat going for $120 on ebay.... |
| 13:06:47 | GodEater | probably it would upset him |
| 13:06:54 | n1s | oohhh, cheap :-) |
| 13:07:03 | voltagex | GodEater: I've been watching them, they go for $100-200AUD |
| 13:07:03 | GodEater | yeah that's what I thought |
| 13:07:14 | GodEater | I'd have bid myself but the shipping cost would have been silly to the UK |
| 13:07:18 | voltagex | mind if I /msg you? |
| 13:07:21 | GodEater | this was USD |
| 13:07:36 | GodEater | you'll have a job - I've not identify'd :) |
| 13:07:38 | voltagex | the shipping cost is silly to Australia, from Australia! ($25) |
| 13:07:45 | voltagex | oh |
| 13:07:51 | voltagex | damn you *shakes fist* |
| 13:07:59 | GodEater | sorry - I'm kind of busy with something for paid work =/ |
| 13:07:59 | voltagex | just wanted to keep #rockbox ontopic |
| 13:08:08 | voltagex | seeing as I'm gonna be pasting straces :P |
| 13:08:16 | GodEater | pastebin |
| 13:08:23 | voltagex | oh, well wheever you have time, I'm in no hurry |
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| 13:21:01 | markun | n1s: it shouldn't be working, but we probably can get it to work |
| 13:21:26 | markun | forget that, I think we need to have our bootloader in flash for that |
| 13:23:50 | n1s | markun: ok, thanks, the changes proposed by alonoea included it. |
| 13:23:55 | n1s | in the manual |
| 13:26:04 | tucoz | midgey_: you can add yourself to the docs/CREDITS-MANUAL file. |
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| 13:41:36 | preglow | hmm, someone else than lostlogic also had a metadata on buffer patch |
| 13:41:40 | preglow | anyone remember who? |
| 13:42:32 | Bagderr | nico_p ? |
| 13:42:38 | Nico_P | yes ? |
| 13:42:41 | tucoz | pondlife? |
| 13:42:49 | preglow | i think it was either him or lowlight |
| 13:43:15 | tucoz | no patch in the tracker i assume |
| 13:43:38 | preglow | dpm' |
| 13:43:42 | preglow | don't think so, will look |
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| 13:45:09 | linuxstb_ | I seem to recall lostlogic mentioning that there was some kind of patch in the wiki. |
| 13:45:30 | n1s | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoftwareCodecPlayback |
| 13:45:42 | n1s | there it is |
| 13:46:33 | tucoz | yes. but is there a patch from the other attempt? |
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| 13:48:53 | Nico_P | Bagderr: ? |
| 13:49:06 | LittleGhost | hai all |
| 13:49:19 | LittleGhost | nickserv |
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| 13:53:45 | Nico_P | hmm no i didn't make a metadata on buffer patch |
| 13:54:16 | Nico_P | tucoz: i don't think there were any other patches |
| 13:54:28 | linuxstb_ | I think lowlight also did a patch. |
| 13:55:06 | linuxstb_ | But I think neither of them worked reliably... |
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| 14:01:16 | voltagex | whee, midnigt |
| 14:01:24 | voltagex | midnight* |
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| 14:19:34 | bluebrother | huh? The front page says "SVN builds" while the manual page still has "CVS build" ... I assumed the menu to be a template |
| 14:20:13 | n1s | Hmm, it seems like the automatic builds trigger on pure manual commits now... |
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| 14:27:27 | Bagderr | bluebrother: the makefile for the web site really stinks, that's why |
| 14:27:40 | Bagderr | n1s: yeah, I took the lazy route to start with and may address that later |
| 14:28:30 | bluebrother | ah. How good I'm far enough away to not smell it ;-) |
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| 14:30:39 | bluebrother | Bagderr: regarding tools/release −− from what I can see the version information isn't stored in apps/version.h any more, so it should create docs/VERSION, right? |
| 14:31:17 | Bagderr | yes, sounds right |
| 14:31:44 | bluebrother | ok. I'll be offline for the weekend, will look into it then |
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| 15:27:52 | Bradley | hi all has anyone roxed their ipod nano here? |
| 15:30:15 | markun | Bradley: what's the problem (no, I haven't but maybe I can help) |
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| 15:36:58 | DataGhost | there. |
| 15:37:01 | DataGhost | that exam wasn't so hard |
| 15:37:09 | DataGhost | started at 14:00 CET |
| 15:37:15 | DataGhost | I have to travel an hour by train |
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| 15:43:42 | linuxstb | markun: Why do you assume there's a problem? :) |
| 15:44:15 | markun | linuxstb: yes, stupid of me |
| 15:44:29 | daurnimator | linuxstb: hows the rocking |
| 15:44:52 | linuxstb | Waiting for a new box to rock. |
| 15:45:32 | markun | linuxstb: the Elio? |
| 15:45:47 | daurnimator | still! |
| 15:47:12 | linuxstb | markun: An Archos AV320 (to be upgraded with a 160GB drive). |
| 15:47:25 | Bradley | oww i got the -1 error. i have to check ive done everything right... |
| 15:47:37 | linuxstb | Bradley: Section 2.2.2 of the manual is your friend. |
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| 16:03:39 | kjk | hi |
| 16:03:42 | kjk | anyone here? |
| 16:03:49 | bluebrother | no |
| 16:03:51 | daurnimator | no |
| 16:03:53 | kjk | lmfao |
| 16:04:02 | kjk | how can i charge my iPod Video staying in rockbox? |
| 16:04:36 | bluebrother | hold the correct button while inserting the charger cable |
| 16:04:44 | linuxstb | Menu. |
| 16:04:44 | bluebrother | iirc it was select, but I don't know ... |
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| 16:04:55 | * | bluebrother stands corrected |
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| 16:05:10 | kjk | alright, thanks |
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| 16:05:21 | Bradley | well, i got it working on my ipod nano |
| 16:05:31 | Bradley | cheers |
| 16:05:44 | Bradley | now i need to put a few mp3s on it |
| 16:06:08 | Bradley | and the what ive been wanting to do all alon: PLAY LOSSESSS CD on it! |
| 16:06:29 | linuxstb | Just what the Nano was designed for... |
| 16:06:52 | Bradley | the installer really needs a front end though - i might be able to help with that |
| 16:07:14 | kclaf2K7 | the Nano is that player with 200GB, right ? |
| 16:07:29 | Bradley | :) |
| 16:07:54 | Bradley | mines a 1st gen 4GB |
| 16:08:10 | linuxstb | Bradley: One is in progress - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
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| 16:08:23 | Bradley | oh ok - great! |
| 16:08:26 | * | bluebrother starts to hate programming on windows |
| 16:08:36 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Then don't... |
| 16:09:07 | Bradley | hehe - most people here are 'nix es yes? |
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| 16:09:23 | linuxstb | Not really. |
| 16:09:25 | bluebrother | I need to have this thing running on windows ... Uni is really contaminated by windows :( |
| 16:09:47 | bluebrother | but ... I could grab rbtool and wxwidgets and try to have some fun with that during the weekend |
| 16:12:11 | Bradley | ok :) |
| 16:12:36 | Bradley | ow man rockbox is great! |
| 16:12:51 | markun | Bradley: good to hear you like it! |
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| 16:18:14 | impsy | hmm you know how you can use themes for the whats playing screen, why is some of my text always cut off behind other things |
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| 16:19:41 | bluebrother | impsy: have you installed the fonts package? |
| 16:20:27 | Bradley | a bit off topic: anyone know of a good flac CD ripper for windose |
| 16:20:46 | linuxstb | EAC is generally considered the best, at least in terms of quality. |
| 16:20:54 | bluebrother | I usually use CDex. No idea if it can produce flac ... |
| 16:21:41 | impsy | hmm i dont think so |
| 16:21:56 | impsy | Can I still install it now? |
| 16:22:02 | Mikachu | rip to wav and encode to flac with anything else otherwise |
| 16:22:57 | amiconn | EAC can use some encoder dlls / acms, and also allows to use any commandline encoder you want |
| 16:24:59 | Febs | Doesn't CDex also allow the use of a command line encoder? If so, then it can encode to FLAC. |
| 16:25:59 | Febs | I haven't used it in quite a while so I don't remember. |
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| 16:27:09 | Bradley | ok. ill look for EAC. id prefer to rip direct from CD to FLAC for best quality though - cheers |
| 16:27:40 | markun | Bradley: without 'transcoding' from WAV? :) |
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| 16:29:23 | robin0800 | Foobar2000 Audio formats supported: MP1, MP2, MP3, MP4, MPC, AAC, Ogg Vorbis, FLAC / Ogg FLAC, WavPack, WAV, AIFF, AU, SND, CDDA, WMA. |
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| 16:30:57 | markun | robin0800: so? |
| 16:31:09 | n1s | rockbox should support CDDA too! |
| 16:31:15 | n1s | :-P |
| 16:31:20 | Bradley | markun, isnt the best way to rip straight from the source? |
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| 16:31:42 | n1s | Bradley, Waw is generally uncompressed PCM −− no quality loss |
| 16:31:48 | n1s | Wav |
| 16:31:51 | markun | Bradley: WAV and flac are both lossless. You can change from one to the other as much as you like |
| 16:32:13 | markun | n1s: yes, you are more correct as WAV is a container format |
| 16:32:53 | robin0800 | markum in preferences converter sayes flac level 5 |
| 16:33:02 | Bradley | but don't you get compound-errors when you convert between WAV and FLAC ? |
| 16:33:11 | markun | Bradley: no |
| 16:33:52 | linuxstb | You can go from WAV -> FLAC -> WAV as many times as you like and have identical WAV files - that's the definition of lossless. |
| 16:34:22 | Febs | Think of FLAC as the audio equivalent of ZIP or RAR. |
| 16:34:27 | GodEater | Bradley: lossless = no information is lost. |
| 16:34:30 | markun | Bradley: just don't do the same thing with lossy compression like mp3 or vorbis |
| 16:37:24 | DataGhost | Also very funny when you see someone transcode a 64kbps mp3 into 320kbps |
| 16:37:32 | DataGhost | and then he tells you he notices a difference in soundquality! |
| 16:37:38 | DataGhost | the 320kbps sounds a lot better!!11 |
| 16:37:52 | DataGhost | Usually I just let him believe that :') |
| 16:38:10 | n1s | Well that is what really matters after all |
| 16:38:22 | Mikachu | maybe he likes the sound of mp3 artifacts |
| 16:38:27 | DataGhost | :P |
| 16:38:32 | Bradley | ok cheers |
| 16:38:37 | markun | DataGhost: I saw some posts about how crappy ogg vorbis was because when he converted his mp3s they sounded worse |
| 16:38:49 | DataGhost | well, there are a lot of 'stupid' people in the world, at least people who are convinced they are right |
| 16:39:22 | DataGhost | someone @ university, doing computer science... claims a non-native (1280x1024 instead of 1400x1050) resolution is much better on a laptop |
| 16:39:39 | n1s | markun: do you mind if I #if 0 out utf16decode() in unicode.c it isn't used anywhere? |
| 16:39:39 | Bradley | im really into quality music- i use 320K mps (when i HAVE TO use mp3 that is) |
| 16:39:49 | DataGhost | because on 1400x1050 it flickers (??????) and "it's not good for your screen to have it running at the highest resolution" |
| 16:40:01 | DataGhost | I did try to tell him the truth but he won't believe me |
| 16:40:06 | Mikachu | DataGhost: maybe he read that about crts in PC Expert |
| 16:40:12 | markun | n1s: what does the FAT code use? |
| 16:40:15 | DataGhost | hehe I guess so yes |
| 16:40:21 | DataGhost | oh yes and it's not good for your eyes either |
| 16:40:37 | Mikachu | when people read stuff in a computer magazine they won't believe the opposite no matter if you prove it |
| 16:40:40 | DataGhost | I pointed out that his entire screen was blurred (well, that's how I noticed it in the first place) but he couldn't see a difference |
| 16:40:41 | n1s | markun: dunno but rockbox compiles an d runs fine without it |
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| 16:41:30 | DataGhost | but I guess that's why 2/3 of all students fail in the first year :P |
| 16:41:37 | Mikachu | in one swedish pc mag, they claimed gf2mx chips were regular gf2 chips clocked lower |
| 16:41:50 | Mikachu | sounding all professional, talking about production yields and stuff |
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| 16:42:15 | n1s | markun: seems to use utf8 functions in fat.c |
| 16:43:21 | Febs | Bradley: you might be able to save yourself a lot of space by doing an ABX test. |
| 16:43:31 | Bradley | i cant fine EAC - well i found a downloadsite but the links are broken |
| 16:43:54 | Bradley | ABX test?> |
| 16:44:01 | Febs | EAC: http://www.exactaudiocopy.com/ |
| 16:44:06 | Febs | ABX test is a double blind test. |
| 16:44:23 | Febs | Compare a lossless file against a compressed file like an MP3 without knowing which is which. |
| 16:44:36 | robin0800 | try foobar2000 |
| 16:44:41 | markun | n1s: I'm pretty sure it used to use my utf16LEdecode function |
| 16:44:58 | Febs | My guess is that you wouldn't be able to distiguish a decent MP3 from the original at compression levels far less than 320kbps. |
| 16:45:27 | DataGhost | I read a test about that once |
| 16:45:37 | DataGhost | 64-320kbps + original, tested by 5 people |
| 16:45:49 | n1s | markun: I'm not going to remove the LE and BE functions, those are used at least in id3.c but the general utf16decode, as it isn't used. |
| 16:45:52 | DataGhost | all tracks were burned on a CD in random order so they couldn't tell which |
| 16:46:06 | DataGhost | for pop music, 64kbps turned out to be the best quality :') |
| 16:46:12 | markun | n1s: how many bytes do you save by removing it? |
| 16:46:23 | DataGhost | and for the rest ~192 kbps was the limit |
| 16:46:24 | n1s | about 100 on h300 :-) |
| 16:46:39 | Mikachu | 5 people is hardly a basis for a scientific study |
| 16:46:54 | DataGhost | Mikachu it was published in a computer mag... nuff said :) |
| 16:46:57 | Mikachu | ah |
| 16:47:19 | Febs | Hydrogen Audio tests show that LAME -V5 is transparent for most people. |
| 16:47:28 | Febs | That bitrate averages around ~132kbps. |
| 16:47:35 | DataGhost | hm |
| 16:47:40 | Bradley | depends on your hearing ability - but mostly the quality of your equipment (imho) |
| 16:47:49 | DataGhost | indeed |
| 16:47:54 | Febs | I disagree. |
| 16:47:59 | DataGhost | I can hear the difference between 128 and 192kbps |
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| 16:48:02 | DataGhost | without knowing |
| 16:48:16 | DataGhost | usually I hear 'crappy sound', then I check my mp3 player and see it's 128 kbps |
| 16:48:24 | Febs | That's meaningless. |
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| 16:48:47 | Febs | If the 128kbps file was encoded in 1999 by a poor encoder, it has no relation to the quality you might expect today from LAME 3.97. |
| 16:48:57 | DataGhost | well, I never get mp3s lower than 192kbps |
| 16:49:05 | markun | Febs: and when you can hear the difference between 192 and 32 kbps? :) |
| 16:49:13 | DataGhost | so the 128kbps ones I have must have slipped through my checks :) |
| 16:49:53 | Bradley | Febs, i couldnt find EAC on the URL ?? |
| 16:50:16 | Bradley | Febs, i couldnt find EAC on that URL you gave me |
| 16:50:27 | Febs | EAC=Exact Audio Copy. |
| 16:50:43 | Febs | That url *is* EAC. |
| 16:51:07 | Bradley | yar i know but i cant navigate anywhere to donwload it |
| 16:51:09 | Febs | Wait. |
| 16:51:13 | Febs | Sorry. |
| 16:51:13 | Bradley | ok |
| 16:51:33 | Mikachu | there's a hell of a difference between a 128kbps cbr file and a lame encoded ~128kbps quality based file |
| 16:51:40 | Febs | http://exactaudiocopy.org/ |
| 16:51:49 | Febs | (.org, not .com) My mistake. |
| 16:51:58 | Mikachu | it's likely vbr at 128 is better than cbr at 160 and even 192 for some music styles |
| 16:52:11 | Bradley | Febs, the links are broken there |
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| 16:52:25 | Bradley | hehe |
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| 16:53:47 | Bradley | its funny how life treats you - i envisaged spending 4 hours to get Rockbox running and 15 mins to rip a CD to FLAC, but it took 15 mins to get RockBox going sweet and 3 hours to find a FLAC CD ripper |
| 16:54:10 | Mikachu | heh |
| 16:54:24 | Bradley | does anyone do FLAC cd ripping at all? |
| 16:54:25 | Mikachu | in linux you can just apt-get/emerge/whatever abcde |
| 16:54:46 | Mikachu | </advertisement> |
| 16:55:02 | hcs | I do, but using cdparanoia and the command line flac encoder |
| 16:55:41 | Febs | Bradley: I do. |
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| 16:56:10 | Bradley | hcs, it that for windows? if so where can i get that tool? |
| 16:56:30 | hcs | Bradley: not to my knowledge, is a linux tool, I use EAC when in windows |
| 16:56:46 | Bradley | ah |
| 16:57:23 | Stalwart | Bradley: i used cdparanoia + flac |
| 16:57:38 | Stalwart | command line tools, i'm sure they're available for windows too |
| 16:57:55 | markun | n1s: bastard :) |
| 16:58:21 | robin0800 | foobar2000 definately works and yes straight fom cd 4 mins for 20 tracks |
| 16:58:43 | n1s | markun: when you dind't object... :-) |
| 16:59:23 | Mikachu | Bradley: tried these too? http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/eac6b.html |
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| 17:00:48 | idnar | I use jack in Debian |
| 17:00:53 | idnar | (which also doesn't help you) |
| 17:01:00 | Febs | Bradley: do you have an email address you can provide to me where you can receive a ~2mb file? |
| 17:01:40 | n1s | the links mikach posted work fine here |
| 17:02:27 | Bradley | febs sure - bradnerdhss@hotmail.com |
| 17:03:18 | robin0800 | ive tried eac and to be honest it may be best but its not the easiest and i have found it abit buggy |
| 17:03:19 | Bradley | for the moment ill rip to WAV via windows media player - then use the FLAC tools from the website to convert to FLAC |
| 17:03:46 | * | Bagder reads the XSPF specs and shakes head |
| 17:03:58 | Bagder | xml... |
| 17:04:04 | robin0800 | http://www.foobar2000.org/ |
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| 17:05:04 | robin0800 | one step conversion and replay gain too |
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| 17:05:56 | Bradley | obin0800, ok ill give it a go |
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| 17:07:18 | robin0800 | robin0800@hotmail.co.uk if you have problems |
| 17:09:37 | amiconn | Bradley: http://www.digital-world.de/downloads/audio/software/1253089/index.html |
| 17:11:19 | amiconn | Hmm, that doesn't work, but Mikachu's link does |
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| 17:15:12 | Bradley | robin0800, cheers - its working |
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| 17:16:00 | Bradley | amiconn, thoes links don't work |
| 17:16:19 | amiconn | They're working here |
| 17:16:20 | Bradley | nev mind gents - im using foobar2000 |
| 17:16:49 | DataGhost | whoa that was freaky |
| 17:17:07 | DataGhost | my iPod just beeped for no apparent reason? at the same time my cam shut itself down because the batteries were dead |
| 17:17:19 | Bradley | robin0800, quick question- whats the 'Level 5' mean in the FLAC settings ? |
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| 17:19:50 | robin0800 | I don't know |
| 17:20:10 | linuxstb | Bradley: It's the compression level. 5 is the default, but I use 8 for all my FLAC encodes. The higher the level, the longer the encoding time, and the smaller the resulting file. |
| 17:20:34 | robin0800 | it is adjustable though from i to 9 |
| 17:21:07 | GodEater | linuxstb: how long does your machine take to compress a typical 4 minute tune at that level ? |
| 17:21:08 | linuxstb | From 0-8. |
| 17:21:14 | Mikachu | Bagder: it's crazy |
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| 17:21:28 | Mikachu | Bagder: they are like "if the filenames don't match exactly it should work anyway" |
| 17:21:42 | linuxstb | GodEater: I don't know. I think it's slower than the actual ripping though. |
| 17:21:57 | GodEater | but not by much if you're not sure ;) |
| 17:22:21 | Mikachu | secondly, filenames can be arbitrary bytes except 0x00 and 0x2F, but xml only allows a specified charset, so you have to invent some private way to encode bytes in xml, and that definitely doesn't make it exchangeable |
| 17:22:27 | Bagder | Mikachu: I didn't even other to read that much |
| 17:22:30 | Bagder | bother |
| 17:22:32 | robin0800 | at 5 20tracks took 4mins |
| 17:22:34 | Mikachu | audacious uses it |
| 17:22:46 | Mikachu | i had to hack it a bit to make it actually save my filenames properly |
| 17:22:55 | Mikachu | they use url encoding for all filenames now :) |
| 17:23:00 | Bagder | haha |
| 17:23:11 | Mikachu | so the .xspf files are like 4x as large as the .m3u file |
| 17:23:21 | Mikachu | and i doubt anything else will find the files |
| 17:25:23 | preglow | they're xml... |
| 17:26:42 | Mikachu | yes, that provides the first 3x :) |
| 17:26:44 | Bagder | xml but with added encoding on the filenames |
| 17:27:23 | Bradley | but the quality of flac remains the same no matter what level you choose - right? Its just the file compression - nothing to do with the audio - am i right? |
| 17:27:34 | preglow | Bradley: correct, hence lossless |
| 17:27:35 | n1s | yes, correct |
| 17:27:51 | Mikachu | Bagder: here is a sample playlist entry http://gentoo.pastebot.ath.cx/3 |
| 17:28:04 | Bradley | ah ok cheers. i think im becomming to understand now |
| 17:28:05 | Bagder | hahahaha |
| 17:28:12 | Bagder | I love it |
| 17:28:22 | hcs | *shudder* |
| 17:28:30 | robin0800 | it would appear to take almost twice as long for 8 |
| 17:29:06 | * | Bagder goes to make food |
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| 17:30:16 | Bradley | well im now listenning to jean michelle jarre in FLAC on my ipod nano thanks to RockBox ! |
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| 17:31:01 | Bradley | its amazing what the developers have done! |
| 17:31:47 | Bradley | later all, and thanks for all the help |
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| 17:32:11 | webguest55 | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/songdbj/ |
| 17:32:55 | webguest55 | are this dir still needed since new database, strange to see yet java files ;) |
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| 17:33:27 | webguest55 | s/are/is |
| 17:33:28 | n1s | Maybe someone can make it work with the new database |
| 17:34:04 | webguest55 | but it's obsolete now, the tagcache made what that database made |
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| 17:34:26 | linuxstb | There's already a C version - tools/database.c (but I think it still needs some work...) |
| 17:34:29 | preglow | any lords of c++ here? :-/ |
| 17:35:01 | webguest55 | linuxstb: then remove those unusable files? |
| 17:35:33 | webguest55 | linuxstb: wasn't tagcache suposed to replace this db version? |
| 17:35:53 | linuxstb | Yes, it has. |
| 17:36:29 | webguest55 | cause this dir http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/songdbj/, is plenty of subdirs with plenty of files, for nothing ;) |
| 17:36:48 | n1s | webguest55: Some users want to generate the database on a computer still and that tool could possibly be adjusted to work. |
| 17:37:33 | webguest55 | n1s: isn't Slasheri made some works for made it happen for tagcache too? |
| 17:37:41 | linuxstb | webguest55: Yes, it's probably useless, but it doesn't do any harm there... |
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| 17:38:18 | webguest55 | yeah indeed, just cleaning sources |
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| 17:38:46 | n1s | webguest55: That's what I mean, making it work with the new database (aka tagcache) |
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| 17:39:16 | n1s | Not that there semm to bee any interest from the developers.... |
| 17:39:36 | linuxstb | Wasn't someone from xmms2 working on integrating Rockbox support? |
| 17:39:53 | webguest55 | linuxstb xmms2? |
| 17:39:57 | n1s | yes, I remember that tooo |
| 17:39:58 | * | webguest55 googles |
| 17:40:01 | n1s | -o |
| 17:41:05 | Mikachu | linuxstb: DraX |
| 17:41:14 | Mikachu | 21:27 -!- DraX [n=alex@xmms2/developer/DraX] has joined #rockbox |
| 17:41:14 | Mikachu | 21:29 <DraX> i'm writing a xmms2 <-> rockbox syncer |
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| 17:43:29 | webguest55 | I wanted to look at playback engine, but seems a big beast and not very easy code to understand :( |
| 17:43:34 | * | linuxstb tries apt-get install xmms2 |
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| 17:51:59 | preglow | oh, woe |
| 17:52:05 | preglow | why can't linux have a good music player |
| 17:52:07 | preglow | apart from the rockbox sim |
| 17:52:20 | Mikachu | you should write one! |
| 17:52:41 | n1s | lets port rockbox to x86! |
| 17:53:21 | XavierGr | if only foobar was ported to linux |
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| 17:53:34 | XavierGr | add to that media player classic :P |
| 17:54:59 | * | GodEater likes both amarok and mplayer |
| 17:55:25 | rp- | quod libet is a nice player for linux |
| 17:55:41 | GodEater | not my favourite - bit too simple for me |
| 17:56:19 | GodEater | for simplicity I favour mpd and emphasis |
| 17:58:27 | * | linuxstb spots that it's almost 5pm on a Friday afternoon and goes to the fridge for beer |
| 17:59:59 | * | Febs has the flu and goes to the medicine cabinet for cough medicine. :( |
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| 18:02:21 | * | n1s drank lots of beer yesterday and has a hangover... |
| 18:02:34 | linuxstb | At least xmms2 seems to play FLAC gaplessly, so it does one thing right. |
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| 18:07:55 | Nico_P | linuxstb: i just saw your comment on the cuesheet tracker entry |
| 18:08:46 | Nico_P | for the two cues in memory, the assumption is that mp3s described bu cuesheets are long so we'll rarely have more than two cuesheets to store |
| 18:09:04 | Nico_P | but i agree it's not general enough and doesn't work for SPC files |
| 18:09:36 | Nico_P | or SID files i mean... anyway smaller files with cuesheet type info in them |
| 18:09:56 | linuxstb | Or even the 64MB targets with MP3s... |
| 18:10:03 | Nico_P | also yes |
| 18:10:48 | Nico_P | and about the "mp3 looks for cue" technique, LinusN seemed to be rather in favor of the one i use currently, so i didn't really know what to do about that and focused on other things |
| 18:11:29 | Nico_P | before thinking of integrating it better into the current system i need to have it work properly |
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| 18:12:31 | Mikachu | it would be nice if you could playlist specific subtracks as well |
| 18:12:51 | Mikachu | not that i'm likely to, but if i have a bunch of .nsf, i probably don't want to hear 5 minutes of sound effects |
| 18:12:59 | Nico_P | Mikachu: that's another different issue |
| 18:13:08 | Mikachu | i'm just putting it out there |
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| 18:13:53 | Nico_P | linuxstb: about memory management... what are my options ? besides implementing metadata on buffer i mean... ;) |
| 18:14:03 | Nico_P | using the plugin buffer ? |
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| 18:14:30 | n1s | but what if the user starts a pliugin then? |
| 18:15:05 | Nico_P | n1s: i know but it's about the only solution i can think if |
| 18:15:56 | Nico_P | n1s: plugins don't necesseraly use the whole plugin buffer, do they ? |
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| 18:16:10 | Nico_P | err that wasn't specifically for you, n1s |
| 18:16:16 | n1s | dunno, but some do and I think the loader clears the whole buffer |
| 18:16:27 | Mikachu | the loader only clears the bss section |
| 18:16:45 | Nico_P | well i might need to reload the cuesheets after the plugin is exited then |
| 18:16:47 | Nico_P | bss ? |
| 18:17:04 | Mikachu | zero-initialized memory segment |
| 18:17:17 | Mikachu | i thought |
| 18:17:34 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: I don't think there are any other options... |
| 18:18:07 | Mikachu | you could invent a new memory segment |
| 18:18:15 | Mikachu | but that might be considered a waste by some :) |
| 18:18:26 | linuxstb_ | Does the current implementation work if you try and buffer 3 short files with cuesheets? |
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| 18:18:48 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: it will spin the disk to read the third |
| 18:19:07 | linuxstb_ | I can live with that, as long as it works reliably. |
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| 18:19:32 | Nico_P | that's what i thought... especially as cues are most used with long files |
| 18:20:26 | rp- | ha mpegplugin is working on the sansa, except sound |
| 18:20:39 | linuxstb_ | You found the blocking bug? |
| 18:21:36 | rp- | actually not really, but i tried another mpg file in this looks ok, no pixel errors or something like that |
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| 18:22:08 | rp- | and with the elefant .mpg file from the wiki i got those errors |
| 18:22:31 | linuxstb_ | Did you try different size Elephants Dream files? |
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| 18:22:56 | linuxstb_ | Also, did you try the COP patch? |
| 18:23:09 | rp- | 128x128 and 224x176 |
| 18:23:49 | rp- | yesterday i patched my source but i don't think it worked, had no performance increase, but i didn't have a closer look at it |
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| 18:24:56 | linuxstb_ | rp-: It's probably worth talking to dan_a or barrywardell about it. |
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| 18:25:15 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: would using the plugin buffer be an acceptable (temporary until metadata on buffer arrives) solution in order to get my album art patch in SVN ? |
| 18:25:28 | Nico_P | and maybe also for the cuesheet patch, i don't know |
| 18:26:46 | rp- | ok i will, with the video i have no proplems is not downsized and i get only 13 frames, maybe the lcd update timing creates these errors, but i will talk about it with dan_a |
| 18:27:30 | linuxstb_ | I would like to see your album art patch in SVN, but using the plugin buffer just seems to be adding complexity. You need to deal with the case where the plugin buffer is being used when the album art should be being buffered... |
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| 18:28:28 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: What is the cost in terms of memory with your current album art patch? |
| 18:29:35 | Nico_P | the current one uses the WPS image buffer and puts only one bitmap at a time in there |
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| 18:29:46 | Nico_P | so it spins the disk each time a new bitmap is needed |
| 18:29:52 | linuxstb_ | What about the id3 structure? |
| 18:30:23 | Nico_P | placing a bitmap in there would mean reserving space for 32 different bitmaps |
| 18:30:43 | linuxstb_ | I mean do you add fields to the id3 structure? e.g. the bmp filename? |
| 18:30:49 | Nico_P | ah sorry |
| 18:30:52 | Nico_P | yes |
| 18:31:34 | Nico_P | the bmp is looked for in get_metadata |
| 18:31:52 | linuxstb_ | I was thinking that you could remove that filename, and just use a single byte instead - e.g. 0 means cover.bmp in the same directory, 1 means same name as current track etc. Would that work? |
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| 18:32:30 | linuxstb_ | (and another value for "no bitmap") |
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| 18:33:47 | preglow | MAN, c++ can be so annoying |
| 18:33:48 | roolku | linuxstb_ Nico_P: like 3_lyrics+albumart.patch at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6301 |
| 18:34:11 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: that's a good idea yes |
| 18:35:19 | Nico_P | and if we do cuesheet your way it would also save quite a bit of memory (down from MAX_PATH to a bool) |
| 18:35:37 | Nico_P | * 32 |
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| 18:40:08 | linuxstb_ | For cuesheet we would need None/Internal/External |
| 18:40:24 | Nico_P | that's true |
| 18:40:41 | linuxstb_ | But yes, cuesheets could work that way as well. |
| 18:41:17 | Nico_P | what's the smallest possible type besides a bool or a char ? |
| 18:41:40 | linuxstb_ | There isn't one. And depending on the alignment needs for other variables in the struct, a bool/char may need more than one byte. |
| 18:42:11 | Nico_P | ok, so what's the best to use to store small values ? would a char be ok ? |
| 18:42:31 | linuxstb_ | Yes, I think so. |
| 18:42:36 | Nico_P | ok |
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| 18:42:49 | Nico_P | and is an enum automatically an int ? |
| 18:43:07 | linuxstb_ | I'm not sure... |
| 18:43:11 | Nico_P | or is it optimised to take as less as possible ? |
| 18:43:29 | Nico_P | as little as possible i mean |
| 18:44:05 | Nico_P | that's something i've been wondering (because of the WPS tokenizer) |
| 18:45:10 | linuxstb_ | I guess it will also depend if gcc is optimising for speed or space - chars can sometimes be slower to deal with than ints. |
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| 18:46:59 | linuxstb | Also, I think that a first commit of album art would probably need to be without the bmp resize patch. I don't think amiconn was happy with how that was implemented. |
| 18:47:25 | linuxstb | But I'm definitely in favour of committing album art if the impact on non album-art users is minimal. |
| 18:48:21 | linuxstb | The efficiency of album art itself can then be improved when/if metadata-on-buffer is implemented. |
| 18:48:57 | Nico_P | linuxstb: i agree about the bmp resize... anyway it's no longer in sync with SVN because of the big changes amiconn made to BMP handling a while ago |
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| 18:49:16 | Nico_P | it used a pretty bad resizing algorithm |
| 18:50:59 | Nico_P | so what should i go for ? buffer_alloc with an onn/off option like for the cuesheets (that would require a much bigger buffer but album art users are probably willing to sacrifice the file buffer), the plugin buffer, or the current system (which i don't like much) ? |
| 18:52:25 | linuxstb | Would buffer_alloc store 32 bitmaps? |
| 18:52:44 | Nico_P | all have different issues... i don't really see which could be the best. Maybe a combination of two, like plugin buffer + wps image buffer for the current bitmap (to avoid it getting overwritten by a plugin) |
| 18:53:00 | Nico_P | linuxstb: no idea... plus it depends on the size of the bitmaps |
| 18:53:15 | Nico_P | which varies with the size of the target's screen |
| 18:53:46 | linuxstb | Do you know if the wps is loaded before or after buffer_alloc is available? |
| 18:53:47 | Nico_P | and there is also the possiblity of having many times the same bitmap for the buffered tracks |
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| 18:55:53 | perl|work | does the album art patch spins the disk on every track now? |
| 18:56:14 | Nico_P | perl|work: curently it spins the disk each time the bitmap changes |
| 18:56:26 | perl|work | i was doing the battery bench with it, though the tracks in the playlist didnt have any art, so im wondering... |
| 18:56:54 | Nico_P | perl|work: then it probably didn't change anything to the result |
| 18:56:57 | Nico_P | or did it ? |
| 18:57:28 | perl|work | hard to say now, it was the bench with the newly implemented cpu scaling for the gigabeat target |
| 18:57:37 | perl|work | i got less hours than usual |
| 18:57:58 | perl|work | just wanted to rule out AA patch from it |
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| 19:00:13 | perl|work | can't wait for the cue sheet support :) |
| 19:00:54 | Nico_P | linuxstb: i'm not sure when the WPS is initialised |
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| 19:02:39 | linuxstb | It's probably when the settings are loaded. |
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| 19:03:54 | linuxstb | Looking at apps/main.c, gui_sync_wps_init() is called immediately after settings_load(), so I'm guessing we will know the size of the album art image at a time when we could buffer_alloc() 32 of them (if we wanted to go that route). |
| 19:04:07 | linuxstb | But it does seem a waste... |
| 19:09:07 | Nico_P | linuxstb: you mean the WPS has already been parsed at that time ? |
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| 19:13:02 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: I think so, yes. |
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| 19:30:33 | lex | yay senab is back |
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| 19:35:39 | eskorpian | hi all |
| 19:36:10 | eskorpian | just read about your SW in the Popular Science mag |
| 19:36:10 | eskorpian | very nice |
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| 19:36:31 | eskorpian | just wanted to find out if yr sw is available for the Creative Zen? |
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| 19:38:55 | Ghoulunat | hey everyone |
| 19:39:01 | Febs | eskorpian: no. |
| 19:39:38 | eskorpian | ok |
| 19:39:50 | eskorpian | is there any plans to make it for the Zen? |
| 19:40:34 | Febs | We don't "plan" to make Rockbox available for any particular platform. If someone wants to do it, they do. |
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| 19:41:28 | Ghoulunat | I've got a few questions about the new Gigabeat build |
| 19:41:28 | eskorpian | ok |
| 19:41:33 | eskorpian | thx |
| 19:41:33 | Febs | There has been some discussion of that platform. You can read this forum thread for more information: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3320.0 |
| 19:41:51 | Ghoulunat | ok, thanks |
| 19:41:58 | Ghoulunat | oh, whoops |
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| 19:43:40 | perl|work | Ghoulunat what is the question? |
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| 19:49:02 | Ghoulunat | well, I installed the new build today |
| 19:49:10 | Ghoulunat | and it just acts weird |
| 19:49:20 | Ghoulunat | it won't save my theme settings |
| 19:49:37 | Ghoulunat | and when I try to play songs I get some weird bar across the bottom that fluctuates back and forth |
| 19:49:48 | Ghoulunat | and when it hits the right side of the screen, the song stops |
| 19:49:54 | Ghoulunat | and then it goes back and the song plays again |
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| 19:55:03 | perl|work | Ghoulunat when was the last time you updated the bootloader? |
| 19:55:27 | perl|work | also, i suggest to make the battery reset before booting |
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| 19:56:26 | perl|work | you seem to have an old scrolling bug which was fixed 2 days ago |
| 19:56:41 | Ghoulunat | I just updated this morning |
| 19:56:44 | Ghoulunat | well, not the bootloader |
| 19:57:24 | perl|work | make sure you're using the latest bootloader and do the battery reset |
| 19:57:31 | Ghoulunat | where do I get said bootloader? |
| 19:57:50 | perl|work | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort |
| 19:57:53 | perl|work | bottom of the page |
| 19:58:24 | Ghoulunat | ok thanks |
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| 20:03:35 | perl|work | Ghoulunat any better? |
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| 20:04:32 | Ghoulunat | working on it, where do I put the splash? |
| 20:05:31 | Ghoulunat | bootsplash.raw |
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| 20:08:09 | Alonea | root folder e.g L:\ |
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| 20:10:11 | perl|work | Ghoulunat root folder yes |
| 20:10:24 | perl|work | hey alison |
| 20:10:28 | perl|work | hows it going |
| 20:12:02 | Alonea | well, I am freezing my arse off down here . Should probably put a sweater on. Just waiting for my cable to get here really. Also sorta watching this thing about China on tv. |
| 20:12:42 | Ghoulunat | the peakmeter thing is still there |
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| 20:13:06 | perl|work | did you do the battery reset? |
| 20:13:23 | Ghoulunat | yeah |
| 20:13:29 | Ghoulunat | I did it when I first installed the new firmware |
| 20:13:38 | Ghoulunat | it's not skipping anymore |
| 20:13:44 | Ghoulunat | ok, now let me see if it will keep my theme |
| 20:14:21 | perl|work | well you have to do the battery reset again if you installed the new bootloader |
| 20:14:29 | Ghoulunat | I did |
| 20:14:32 | perl|work | ok good |
| 20:14:49 | perl|work | it might reset the settings after 1st power off |
| 20:15:08 | Ghoulunat | where are the themes? |
| 20:15:11 | perl|work | just apply them again and everything will work from that point on |
| 20:15:13 | Ghoulunat | rockbox-themes.org? |
| 20:15:18 | perl|work | yes |
| 20:15:33 | Alonea | yeah, anytime you do the battery reset youwill have to reset the time usually, but that is all I ever notice that is reset |
| 20:15:51 | perl|work | Alonea sometimes it resets again after 1st power off |
| 20:16:09 | perl|work | maybe not anymore but did in the past |
| 20:16:49 | Ghoulunat | ok |
| 20:16:55 | Ghoulunat | I'm restarting it atm |
| 20:16:59 | Ghoulunat | ok it kept |
| 20:17:01 | Ghoulunat | now for new themes |
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| 20:22:57 | Ghoulunat | some of the themes dont' work |
| 20:23:01 | Ghoulunat | they won't unzip |
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| 20:26:46 | Alonea | which theme will not unzip? |
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| 20:28:49 | Ghoulunat | just a sec |
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| 20:29:03 | Ghoulunat | Pixel and Yellowprint I think |
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| 20:29:35 | Redbreva | Give me a minute, and I will upload a re-compressed version... |
| 20:29:43 | Ghoulunat | ok |
| 20:30:31 | Redbreva | I have just started to use Winzip 11, and it's default compression seems to be not very compatible :-( |
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| 20:30:43 | ender` | www.7-zip.org |
| 20:30:49 | perl|work | hmm everything works for me in winrar |
| 20:30:52 | Mikachu | yeah, winzip is pretty much obsolete |
| 20:31:03 | ender` | or winrar if you really want to use shareware |
| 20:31:05 | Ghoulunat | lol |
| 20:31:08 | Mikachu | heh |
| 20:31:23 | amiconn | filzip is freeware |
| 20:31:25 | n1s | What do i do when dsfsck tells me it doesn't support 191 FATs when running it on my h300? |
| 20:31:28 | Alonea | ok just checked yellowprint and it does not unzip for me either |
| 20:31:34 | Mikachu | 7zip is free as in speech |
| 20:32:50 | Alonea | though pixel did work |
| 20:32:57 | Ghoulunat | didn't work in winrar for Yellowprint |
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| 20:34:58 | Alonea | so far it just seems the Yellowprint will not extract correctly... |
| 20:35:08 | Redbreva | hmm, seems that it has an 'adaptive' mode and changes the compression scheme for each file in the archive depending on what compresses it the best... Just re-loading all the GB zips now.. |
| 20:35:36 | Redbreva | OK, they should be done now |
| 20:35:57 | Alonea | says File skipped unknown compression method. ok, thanks Redbreva |
| 20:37:20 | Alonea | it works now. |
| 20:38:44 | Redbreva | Hmm, time to junk Winzip I think.... |
| 20:39:45 | Ghoulunat | yeah lol |
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| 21:30:49 | jackfusion | hi all |
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| 21:31:39 | jackfusion | dose editting the viwer.config on the ipod work? |
| 21:31:50 | Mikachu | yes, but you have to reboot to take effect |
| 21:34:25 | jackfusion | how do u get the mpegplayer to play avi files? |
| 21:34:40 | linuxstb_ | Convert them to .mpg files. |
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| 21:34:50 | jackfusion | ok |
| 21:36:40 | jackfusion | when I turn on my ipod and set it to hold right away the settings get cleared why? |
| 21:37:11 | goffa | jackfusion: they are supposed to |
| 21:37:11 | linuxstb_ | Because that's how you clear the settings. |
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| 21:37:26 | DataGhost | haha |
| 21:37:44 | jackfusion | then how do u load the apple firmware |
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| 21:38:04 | DataGhost | rewind button? |
| 21:38:10 | DataGhost | oh wait I'm in #rockbox |
| 21:39:46 | BiptoN | w1ll14m are you here? |
| 21:40:49 | Mikachu | jackfusion: turn hold on earlier :) |
| 21:40:59 | n1s | jackfusion: set hold, then power on to get to apple firmwarwe |
| 21:41:03 | dewdude | jackfusion, that's strange...because my 5.5g loads apple if you turn hold on right away..however, i updated my bootloader last month for coprocessor support |
| 21:41:16 | DataGhost | n1s question: how do you power on with the hold button on? :P |
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| 21:41:34 | n1s | oh, I thought it was purely software hol |
| 21:41:38 | n1s | d |
| 21:41:45 | jackfusion | I have 5g |
| 21:41:56 | n1s | do what the others said |
| 21:42:10 | Mikachu | you can put the cable in to turn it on |
| 21:42:11 | n1s | any ata.c wizards here |
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| 21:42:26 | DataGhost | heh, I'm just reading it |
| 21:42:33 | DataGhost | I'm hardly a wizard yet :P |
| 21:43:06 | linuxstb_ | jackfusion: Is your Rockbox bootloader showing white text on a black background, or back text on a pale blue background? |
| 21:43:50 | jackfusion | press and hold menu to get into the apple firmware. |
| 21:43:53 | n1s | DataGhost: The problem is that whit ata poweroff enabled on h10 the first read after poweron fails. It sounds to me like it is trying to read too soon, increasing the READ_TIMEOUT didn't help... |
| 21:44:50 | barrywardell | n1s: i've just been reading the bug report |
| 21:44:54 | DataGhost | oh and I don't have a h10, whatever that may be :) |
| 21:45:14 | amiconn | Iriver h10, pp5020 based |
| 21:45:42 | n1s | barrywardell: do you mean the patch? If so my last post there is the only thing I can think of |
| 21:45:59 | barrywardell | n1s: might be worth adding a sleep(HZ*2) into ide_power_enable() in firmware/target/arm/iriver/power-h10.c |
| 21:46:08 | barrywardell | or maybe a longer delay |
| 21:46:19 | amiconn | 2 seconds??? |
| 21:46:35 | n1s | DataGhost: the problem is that I don't have one either |
| 21:46:40 | DataGhost | hehe |
| 21:46:41 | barrywardell | just for testing purposes |
| 21:47:14 | BiptoN | barry is it possible to move the ata thread to the cop ? |
| 21:47:20 | DataGhost | and I'm not even entirely sure yet how ata works |
| 21:47:36 | DataGhost | but if it's trying to read too soon, could it be possible that the request is 'ignored' until the drive is ready? |
| 21:47:45 | DataGhost | which would lead to a sleep() indeed :) |
| 21:47:59 | n1s | yes, but it will timeout |
| 21:48:05 | amiconn | The drive should set busy until it's ready |
| 21:48:15 | barrywardell | BiptoN: i don't know. i'm really not the person to ask about that |
| 21:48:35 | DataGhost | should |
| 21:48:41 | amiconn | BiptoN: Why would you want to do that? |
| 21:48:53 | DataGhost | I've seen enough in the last few days to not trust 'should' things with drives :P |
| 21:49:01 | amiconn | The ata thread has _very_ little to do |
| 21:49:59 | BiptoN | well, the codec "seems" to take alot more cpu to run and me and william were thinkin of chnagin the speed to 1/2 so maybe less intensive things could run on it |
| 21:50:01 | BiptoN | exactly |
| 21:50:16 | BiptoN | if it has little to do it could run on the cop at 1/2 speed right? |
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| 21:51:28 | [IDC]Dragon | hi rockbox! |
| 21:51:53 | n1s | hi rockboxer |
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| 21:57:57 | jackfusion | thank u all for ur help. |
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| 22:03:02 | Quelsaruk | hi |
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| 22:06:43 | goffa | ipod? rockboy? |
| 22:06:43 | goffa | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/portable-media/iboy-classic-gameboy-ipod-case-229985.php |
| 22:06:45 | goffa | the next logical step |
| 22:11:05 | dewdude | how well does arm7 emulate z80? |
| 22:16:46 | preglow | well enough |
| 22:16:58 | dewdude | good to know. |
| 22:16:59 | Llorean | I'm not even sure on what scale "well" is being compared. |
| 22:17:48 | Mikachu | | | |
| 22:17:53 | dewdude | well enough to emulate the 4.1mhz custom z80 in 75 mhz |
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| 22:21:42 | preglow | well, that's quite a lot |
| 22:21:55 | preglow | it will be able to do that using interpreting, but not much else, i'd wager |
| 22:23:10 | preglow | gameboy uses a z80 clocked lower than that for its main cpu, so you could check out rockboy's performance as an indication as far as performance goes |
| 22:23:49 | dewdude | 4.194304 MHz |
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| 22:30:26 | preglow | hmm, apparently |
| 22:30:31 | preglow | well, then you have your answer :-) |
| 22:30:51 | preglow | and the current emulation core isn't even optimised for the arm, which it should be |
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| 22:31:30 | linuxstb_ | pacbox emulates a 3.072MHz z80, and that seems to be comfortable on the PP. |
| 22:31:58 | Mikachu | with the cop patch, does the cop boost/unboost? |
| 22:32:04 | Mikachu | and if not, what speed does it run at? |
| 22:32:13 | Llorean | Mikachu: It follows the main processor's speed |
| 22:32:20 | Mikachu | ah |
| 22:32:30 | preglow | it can't do anything else, afaik |
| 22:32:51 | Llorean | preglow: Supposedly with clock skipping it can also be 1/2 or 1/4 the main core's speed |
| 22:32:53 | Bagder | it can but we don't know how afaiu |
| 22:33:03 | preglow | Llorean: i though that was the other way around |
| 22:33:09 | preglow | Llorean: forget that, i'm wrong |
| 22:33:35 | preglow | geeez, i'd love some pp docs |
| 22:33:54 | GodEater | wouldn't we all |
| 22:33:56 | GodEater | =/ |
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| 22:36:13 | baseballluver | Hi, I'm having a spot of trouble with running rockbox. |
| 22:37:18 | baseballluver | could I get some help? |
| 22:37:30 | Llorean | baseballluver: Well we don't know what your problem is yet. |
| 22:37:35 | amiconn | Oh, hi [IDC]Dragon |
| 22:37:42 | baseballluver | Hah, I wasn' sure if anyone was on |
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| 22:38:07 | baseballluver | all right, well, I'm running the command scripts to install it, but when I run "ipodpatcher" it can't find my ipod |
| 22:38:44 | baseballluver | any pointers? |
| 22:39:10 | Llorean | baseballluver: What kind of iPod do you have, and is it in disk mode? |
| 22:39:11 | linuxstb_ | Windows, Mac, Linux? What's the command you're typing? |
| 22:39:12 | GodEater | what flavour ipod have you got ? |
| 22:39:28 | GodEater | the three musketeers leap to the rescue.... |
| 22:39:31 | baseballluver | I'm on Windows 2000, running a 30GB 5.5G ipod |
| 22:39:46 | baseballluver | and it's skittled-flavor. |
| 22:39:59 | linuxstb_ | Are you running "ipodpatcher −−scan" |
| 22:40:04 | baseballluver | yes |
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| 22:40:24 | linuxstb_ | Can you see it as a drive letter? |
| 22:40:52 | baseballluver | it says [ERR] nO IPODS FOUND |
| 22:41:10 | baseballluver | Er, [ERR] No ipods found. |
| 22:41:18 | Llorean | baseballluver: What drive is your iPod showing up as right before you do that? |
| 22:41:33 | baseballluver | I know what drive it's in, it's not showing up at all though |
| 22:41:40 | baseballluver | it's the K:\ drive. |
| 22:42:14 | linuxstb_ | Is the Apple firmware working OK? Have you performed any mods to your ipod in the past? |
| 22:42:43 | baseballluver | I was trying to, but I ran into walls with the itunes 7.0 firmware upadater. |
| 22:43:00 | baseballluver | this is my second ipod, and on the first ipod, I modded it a lot. |
| 22:43:34 | linuxstb_ | So what did you do to this ipod? |
| 22:44:08 | baseballluver | I haven't been able to do anything with it thus far. |
| 22:44:34 | baseballluver | When I was trying to get past some authorization tags for games, I created some new folders, but they're empty. |
| 22:45:15 | baseballluver | actually, they're not empty, they have some games in them. |
| 22:45:23 | baseballluver | Will that affect the search at all? |
| 22:46:12 | linuxstb_ | Does itunes recognise your ipod? |
| 22:46:21 | baseballluver | yes |
| 22:46:36 | baseballluver | it doesn't have any problems at all. |
| 22:47:18 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn, I got bootbox down to about half its size |
| 22:47:18 | linuxstb_ | Does ipodpatcher display the sector size of your ipod? |
| 22:47:32 | baseballluver | no, it just says: |
| 22:47:41 | linuxstb_ | Yes, forget that... |
| 22:47:55 | [IDC]Dragon | wtf? |
| 22:48:15 | baseballluver | sorry |
| 22:48:19 | baseballluver | I was going to typ ein what it said. |
| 22:48:26 | [IDC]Dragon | something's stuck here with me typing |
| 22:48:59 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, now I see what I type |
| 22:49:28 | linuxstb_ | baseballluver: Did you modify your firmware partition in any way? |
| 22:50:06 | baseballluver | Other than creating folders for games, and putting games in them, no. |
| 22:51:04 | linuxstb_ | Do you have administrator rights? |
| 22:51:24 | Mikachu | have we enabled disk mode in itunes already? |
| 22:51:41 | preglow | [IDC]Dragon: so how big is it now? |
| 22:51:51 | linuxstb_ | Mikachu: "it's the K:\ drive" |
| 22:52:04 | baseballluver | Last time I checked it was |
| 22:52:16 | baseballluver | and I can run the program fine without administrator rights, it just doesn't find anything. |
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| 22:52:37 | baseballluver | I'm using the non-administrator account right now, lest I download something. |
| 22:52:56 | Mikachu | linuxstb_: he also said it didn't show up |
| 22:52:56 | linuxstb_ | That's probably the problem - you need to have administrator rights. |
| 22:53:21 | baseballluver | really? You mean it won't find anything without admin rights? |
| 22:53:32 | baseballluver | all right, I'll try running it with a different account. |
| 22:53:46 | linuxstb_ | ipodpatcher needs raw access to the disk device. |
| 22:54:09 | linuxstb_ | The instructions mention it... |
| 22:54:28 | baseballluver | well, I saw that afterwards and didn't think it would affect it since it messed it up. |
| 22:54:55 | [IDC]Dragon | preglow, about half the size, like I said, but checking now... |
| 22:55:00 | baseballluver | Is there a way to use the "run" program through a different user without having to log off? |
| 22:55:10 | Mikachu | yes, but i don't know how :) |
| 22:55:25 | baseballluver | ah, then thanks, I'll come back in a minute. |
| 22:55:27 | Mikachu | is it w2k or wxp? |
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| 22:55:37 | preglow | [IDC]Dragon: yes, but i don't know how big it used to be :> |
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| 22:57:00 | [IDC]Dragon | here I see one with 28892 bytes, that's what it use to be |
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| 22:57:24 | [IDC]Dragon | now still looking for the newer one... |
| 22:58:25 | [IDC]Dragon | found it, 15170 bytes |
| 22:58:32 | n1s | nice |
| 22:58:59 | [IDC]Dragon | but I broke something, USB is not detected |
| 22:59:34 | [IDC]Dragon | generally, I don't like the "butchering" approach any more |
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| 23:00:45 | [IDC]Dragon | size saturates bigger than it could, so I'm considering writing a new bootbox "from scratch", cannibalising from the existing Rockbox code |
| 23:01:37 | [IDC]Dragon | bootbox needs no threads, queues, etc. |
| 23:02:03 | [IDC]Dragon | and the file system code can be much simpler |
| 23:02:55 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: looking for new bugs to fix? ;) |
| 23:03:03 | linuxstb_ | Wouldn;'t that mean it's no longer portable? Or is it already Archos specific anyway? |
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| 23:04:15 | preglow | [IDC]Dragon: oh, i already thought that was how it worked |
| 23:06:45 | [IDC]Dragon | I already reduced a lot of stuff, e.g. the filesys is read only |
| 23:07:18 | [IDC]Dragon | but I didn't touch "Rockbox fundamentals" so far, like threads, button queue |
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| 23:08:06 | [IDC]Dragon | it is still portable |
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| 23:10:19 | [IDC]Dragon | is CVS still around, read only? |
| 23:10:19 | preglow | yea |
| 23:10:20 | preglow | they say so |
| 23:10:35 | [IDC]Dragon | so I can make a patch against it |
| 23:10:42 | Zagor | now, we moved it to avoid people grabbing it |
| 23:11:20 | Zagor | s/now/no/ |
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| 23:13:05 | baseballluver | OK, thanks guys, that worked. Do I need to stay on administrator for the rest of the installation? |
| 23:13:22 | [IDC]Dragon | where did it move to? Can I change my local CVS/Root tags to reach and diff it? |
| 23:13:26 | linuxstb_ | No, just the ipodpatcher parts. |
| 23:13:52 | baseballluver | ok, so once I know the disk device number (6), I can go onto the other account? |
| 23:14:22 | n1s | no need for disk number any more |
| 23:14:28 | baseballluver | eh? |
| 23:14:56 | n1s | if you've installed the bootloader, the rest is drag and drop a few files |
| 23:15:12 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: hmm, we actually never did move it. only discussed/decided to move. so you should be able to diff it right away. |
| 23:15:24 | baseballluver | but I do need to know the disk number, right? |
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| 23:15:28 | Zagor | tell me when you're done, I'll move it away then |
| 23:15:42 | n1s | baseballluver: to install the bootloader, yes |
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| 23:17:20 | linuxstb_ | baseballluver: Yes, any part of the installation that needs ipodpatcher needs admin rights. |
| 23:20:04 | baseballluver | ah, dang it. |
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| 23:21:21 | * | n1s didn't know any windows users were actually using non-admin accounts if they had an option... |
| 23:21:50 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor, I won't be done so soon, you probably want to move it before |
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| 23:22:15 | dionoea | n1s: it's effective to fight against spyware and other unwanted stuff :) |
| 23:22:15 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm fine as long as the place is public |
| 23:22:38 | baseballluver | and I take it that it's going to take a while to write 48132 sectors? |
| 23:22:57 | n1s | that's like 100 megs |
| 23:23:14 | baseballluver | ah, ok then. |
| 23:23:17 | baseballluver | doo doo doo... |
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| 23:25:15 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: What is the reason you are diffing against cvs instead of svn? |
| 23:26:00 | | Quit perl|work (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 23:26:02 | [IDC]Dragon | tortoise cvs "pampering" me |
| 23:26:59 | [IDC]Dragon | it quickly shows me the modified files |
| 23:27:26 | Zagor | isn't the svn version as good? as I understand it you can simply copy tree into the svn checkout and keep working. |
| 23:27:37 | [IDC]Dragon | so I don't have to learn cvs/svn/diff command lines ;-) |
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| 23:27:58 | [IDC]Dragon | aha, ok |
| 23:28:54 | baseballluver | thanks, everybody! |
| 23:29:52 | Zagor | linuxstb_: latest news: "19 jan kl 20:52 Stockholm Sdra, Frsndelsen har sorterats" :-) |
| 23:30:20 | n1s | late christmas presents? |
| 23:30:39 | Zagor | something like that, yeah |
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| 23:32:36 | linuxstb_ | I assume that's good news? |
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| 23:35:05 | jhMikeS | preglow: how do you write the assembly for a mac instruction with a scale factor? |
| 23:35:43 | Zagor | linuxstb_: well, nothing special. just the next step in the chain. |
| 23:36:09 | Zagor | I just find it funny how limited it is to only offer the package tracker in swedish |
| 23:36:42 | linuxstb_ | Yes, I noticed a lot of the site was in English. |
| 23:37:22 | Zagor | lots of the sales talk and pretty PDFs at least. but none of the actual functions, as far as I could see... |
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| 23:43:15 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I wouldn't recommend tortoisesvn. It has problems regarding *nix versus windows line ends, more than the cvs version |
| 23:43:54 | amiconn | Well, you can use it if you switch your cygwin installation to windows line ends and then do everything in crlf locally |
| 23:44:40 | amiconn | Even though I usually prefer gui applications over the command line, tortoise is a thing I wouldn't want to use |
| 23:45:14 | Zagor | request for opinions: I intend to implement feature request #1569 (Short rewind on resume) by simply subtracting 64KB from the resume offset. this of course will cause different amount of rewind on different bitrates, but in my opinion exact rewind time isn't the point of the feature. and I think a setting selecting the amount of rewind is overkill, I'll rather just have a 1-bit on/off. does anyone disagree? |
| 23:45:54 | linuxstb_ | Not all offsets are byte offsets AFAIK. |
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| 23:46:08 | linuxstb_ | Some are in ms - it's codec dependant on swcodec. |
| 23:46:25 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I asked preglow about a question about how to specify an emac scale factor in assembly but I'm sure you know the answer too. :) Can't seem to find an example of it. |
| 23:46:36 | Mikachu | Zagor: doesn't the headphone patch already implement that? |
| 23:46:42 | Zagor | linuxstb_: aha, I'll have to look at that then. thanks. |
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| 23:46:57 | Zagor | Mikachu: I have no idea, I'll look at that too. |
| 23:47:11 | Mikachu | it lets you rewind a set number of seconds when you plug them in |
| 23:47:19 | Mikachu | that code is probably not anywhere near the startup resume code though |
| 23:47:25 | linuxstb_ | I'm not even sure we need an option though - why not just always rewind a little? |
| 23:48:00 | * | n1s votes for no option too |
| 23:48:06 | Zagor | linuxstb_: I agree. I think :) |
| 23:48:07 | Mikachu | on headphone reinsert it would be annoying with always rewind |
| 23:48:17 | Mikachu | so please don't change that |
| 23:48:26 | linuxstb_ | Yes, but headphone insert is normally a short pause. |
| 23:48:35 | Zagor | Mikachu: is this patch committed or in the tracker? |
| 23:48:41 | Mikachu | i'm not sure :) |
| 23:48:44 | linuxstb_ | But I'm probably not the best person to comment, as I don't use either kind of resume... |
| 23:48:47 | Zagor | unpause != resume |
| 23:48:52 | linuxstb_ | I thought it was in SVN ? |
| 23:48:54 | Mikachu | i am almost sure it's in svn though |
| 23:49:53 | Zagor | yes it is: 'unplug_rw' |
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| 23:50:06 | n1s | What will it do if it rewinds past the start of the track? |
| 23:50:18 | Zagor | start at beginning |
| 23:50:21 | amiconn | If rewind on resume is going to be added, there should be an option |
| 23:50:34 | n1s | sounds good to me then :-) |
| 23:50:35 | amiconn | I often use resume, but I would never want it to rewind |
| 23:51:19 | amiconn | jhMikeS: No idea... |
| 23:51:38 | Zagor | amiconn: just to clarify, it won't rewind to start of the track. just a few seconds. |
| 23:51:45 | amiconn | I understand that |
| 23:52:10 | n1s | I don't think I would be able to tell if this feature was either on or off, often I don't even remember on which track I was |
| 23:52:13 | amiconn | Resume should resume where I left off, not a few seconds back or forward |
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| 23:52:36 | EnterUserName | hey all |
| 23:52:41 | Mikachu | i see why it's useful for audiobooks |
| 23:53:02 | Zagor | Mikachu: yes, that's what I want it for |
| 23:53:14 | Mikachu | just a thought, would it be easier to change the code that saves the resume point? |
| 23:53:17 | EnterUserName | as there been any advancements in video for nano and using smaller video |
| 23:53:19 | Genre9mp3 | yes it's very useful with audiobooks, so one can have an option for this |
| 23:53:19 | EnterUserName | files |
| 23:53:23 | EnterUserName | instead of raw filesd |
| 23:53:27 | amiconn | I don't have audio book, but even if I would, I don't understand why resume should rewind |
| 23:53:48 | Mikachu | amiconn: if you read a book, to you resume at the exact same word, or a paragraph/page back? |
| 23:53:48 | Zagor | amiconn: so you remember where in the story you are |
| 23:54:17 | n1s | EnterUserName: The video was never raw, but now it has sound too :-) |
| 23:54:21 | amiconn | Mikachu: I stop at chapter boundaries, and resume exactly where I left off |
| 23:54:35 | EnterUserName | oh n1s: wasn't it large avi files where 20 minutes would be like 2 gigs |
| 23:54:50 | GodEater | I stop wherever and pick up right where I left off |
| 23:55:05 | EnterUserName | im wondering if it allows something like divx or something similiar.. |
| 23:55:10 | Genre9mp3 | and what if something interruots you while listening? |
| 23:55:22 | Zagor | well, an option it is |
| 23:55:26 | GodEater | I have a good memory =/ |
| 23:55:37 | amiconn | Either I remember where I was (audio or printed book) then I would always want to resume exactly where I left off. Or I don't, then I would start over anyway |
| 23:55:44 | n1s | EnterUserName: Nope, the old ones were m2v, which is peg 2 video without sound, now we use mpg which is mpeg video with sound |
| 23:55:58 | n1s | and no divx/xvid |
| 23:56:04 | EnterUserName | hmm |
| 23:56:08 | amiconn | The latter would take several weeks to apply (that I don't remember where I left off) |
| 23:56:09 | EnterUserName | mpg.. how big of a file is that.. |
| 23:56:17 | EnterUserName | for 20 mins.. |
| 23:56:21 | linuxstb_ | As big or as small as you want it... |
| 23:56:30 | n1s | Depends a lot on bitrate |
| 23:56:42 | EnterUserName | hmm thank you.. its been a whuile since i used it.. i'll give it a try :) |
| 23:56:46 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: That's what pause is for |
| 23:57:40 | linuxstb_ | EnterUserName: Look at the PluginMpegplayer wiki page. That has some sample files as well. |
| 23:57:55 | n1s | Zagor: maybe the resume on startup option could be extended to resume, resume with rewind and off |
| 23:57:58 | linuxstb_ | (as well as a long to-do list of unimplemented features...) |
| 23:58:07 | Zagor | Mikachu: have you used the headphone rewind option? does it work well in your opinion? |
| 23:58:12 | Genre9mp3 | oh... I thought we were talking about an option for rewind on resume after both pause or stop |
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| 23:58:28 | Mikachu | Zagor: no, i only use headphone resume without rewind |
| 23:58:44 | Zagor | n1s: nah, that'd need more bits for that option and hence make the config block incompatible. better a new option. |
| 23:58:50 | Genre9mp3 | anyway... I never listen to audiobooks so I would never need it actually |
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