| 00:00:07 | Zagor | Genre9mp3: yes |
| 00:00:11 | | Nick Everybody is now known as Everybody|away (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) |
| 00:00:38 | preglow | jhMikeS: with a scale? you mean like a shift left or right in integer mode? |
| 00:01:19 | EnterUserName | erk |
| 00:01:27 | EnterUserName | I must have mistaken you guys with Linux on nipod |
| 00:01:29 | EnterUserName | even better. :) |
| 00:01:36 | EnterUserName | I'll be updating soon my rockbox cant wait to try it out :) |
| 00:01:40 | jhMikeS | preglow: yes |
| 00:02:00 | preglow | hrm |
| 00:02:10 | preglow | i think you use 1 or -1 for left or right respectively |
| 00:02:15 | preglow | but i don't know, i so very seldom use integer mode |
| 00:02:27 | jhMikeS | and are a whole 8bit really just reserved for sign/zero extension? |
| 00:02:34 | BHSPitLappy | are there currently any Tone Generator plugins? |
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| 00:03:22 | preglow | jhMikeS: yes |
| 00:04:54 | jhMikeS | preglow: how goofy of freescale :P |
| 00:06:00 | preglow | jhMikeS: it's slightly... useless |
| 00:06:48 | EnterUserName | hows the Battery life on ipods |
| 00:06:50 | EnterUserName | nanos |
| 00:06:51 | EnterUserName | any better? |
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| 00:07:21 | n1s | better than what? |
| 00:07:26 | preglow | jhMikeS: actually looks like << and >> is supported too |
| 00:07:36 | EnterUserName | before i was getting 8 hours |
| 00:07:43 | EnterUserName | instead of 10.. or 7 hours instead of 10 |
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| 00:08:16 | n1s | take a look here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime |
| 00:08:21 | jhMikeS | preglow: I can see possibly the value in preserving a sign upon overflow but a bit mask wouldn't waste bit. |
| 00:08:24 | preglow | everybody shut up, the us government has started logging us |
| 00:08:33 | EnterUserName | ok where do i go about videos |
| 00:08:56 | jhMikeS | hehe |
| 00:09:15 | EnterUserName | i forgot |
| 00:09:20 | EnterUserName | and it scrolled up :) |
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| 00:09:35 | n1s | in the nice little box on top of the page for which I posted a link, typr PluginMpegplayer |
| 00:09:53 | EnterUserName | got it thank you |
| 00:09:53 | jhMikeS | I don't think the shift factor's of much use to me in this case but would like to know what the heck gcc implemented. |
| 00:10:39 | preglow | the shift factor seldom is of any use, unless you're doing low-precision fixed point |
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| 00:15:55 | baseballluver | Hi, I'd like to know if there's a way to get the track names back for viewing once i've installed rockbox. |
| 00:16:16 | GodEater | read the manual |
| 00:16:23 | GodEater | look at the database section |
| 00:16:31 | GodEater | @ baseballluver |
| 00:16:52 | baseballluver | all right. |
| 00:17:00 | baseballluver | It's all MJ7A right now. |
| 00:17:07 | GodEater | yes |
| 00:17:09 | GodEater | it will be |
| 00:17:13 | GodEater | so do as I said |
| 00:17:40 | baseballluver | wait, are you going to walk me through, or are you telling me to just read it all? |
| 00:17:50 | GodEater | I'm telling you to read it |
| 00:18:32 | baseballluver | which section? |
| 00:18:44 | linuxstb_ | Chapter 4 somewhere... |
| 00:18:46 | GodEater | the DATABASE section |
| 00:18:52 | GodEater | Ctrl+F |
| 00:18:54 | jhMikeS | preglow: definitely not low precision :) |
| 00:19:25 | baseballluver | thanks, reading it now |
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| 00:19:59 | GodEater | someone tell me again why we've bothered writing a manual ? |
| 00:20:16 | Zagor | GodEater: because not everyone can write code |
| 00:20:22 | Zagor | :-P |
| 00:20:27 | GodEater | hahaha |
| 00:21:18 | Mikachu | i am guessing most people don't actually come here asking questions |
| 00:21:21 | n1s | heh |
| 00:21:21 | sneakums | hide the manual for a week and see how many people you get coming here then |
| 00:22:11 | * | GodEater wonders if the download stats are available for the manuals |
| 00:22:32 | GodEater | we could compare it to the number of questions in here and the number of dumb questions in the forums :) |
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| 00:23:12 | Alonea | that would be an excellent experiment that we could shove into people's faces who do not read the manual |
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| 00:23:51 | baseballluver | all right, I can't find the database, and I can't figure out how to turn off the "enless repeat" function. |
| 00:24:17 | Mikachu | go to the quick screen |
| 00:24:32 | n1s | The fun thing is that almost every new user that comes here with problems have 1) an ipod and 2) not read the entire installation instructions but instead skipped the part where they should install rockbox and just did the bootloader |
| 00:24:37 | Mikachu | hold down Menu |
| 00:25:00 | baseballluver | ok, thanks. |
| 00:25:04 | Zagor | euh? unplug_rw() in settings_menu.c calls audio_set_crossfade(global_settings.unplug_rw); that's got to be a mistake? |
| 00:25:17 | * | Zagor checks annotate |
| 00:25:20 | jhMikeS | preglow: ok, so you get a 64-bit result for a mac.l in fractional mode that is lsb truncated to 40 bits with the least sig 8 bits of the 40 left in the lower extension byte iiuc |
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| 00:26:41 | jhMikeS | iiow fractional mode give you the >> after multiply for free |
| 00:28:13 | EnterUserName | hey does the fm radio plugin function works with nano ipod |
| 00:28:15 | EnterUserName | im guessing no |
| 00:28:15 | baseballluver | I'd say the reason that almost eery new user that comes in here has an ipod, is because the ipod is the most popular music player in the world. |
| 00:28:43 | Alonea | which is an unfortunate thing. I have never wanted an iPod. |
| 00:28:53 | n1s | Yes but they all have the same question |
| 00:29:16 | Zagor | maybe we should get logbot to start answering questions :) |
| 00:29:19 | baseballluver | I still can't figure out how to get it sorted by rtists, even after looking at the database section of the guide. |
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| 00:29:42 | EnterUserName | baseballuver: sor tit yourself :( |
| 00:29:53 | baseballluver | I have sore tits? |
| 00:29:58 | EnterUserName | By directory structure :) |
| 00:29:59 | hen3rz | anyone having issues with the new gigabeat bootloader? |
| 00:30:06 | EnterUserName | whats a gigabeat.. |
| 00:30:08 | Alonea | we should. or do a thing where they have to answer questions before they are allowed in, like "have you read the manual?" and if they say no, we have a niiice big message saying "RTFM" |
| 00:30:09 | EnterUserName | let mse see |
| 00:30:23 | n1s | We need a good, foolproof, dead simple installer that can handle ipod bootloader installs. |
| 00:30:53 | baseballluver | I don't understand half the crap in the manual, I just figured Rockbox would be something a little more engaging than the usual OS> |
| 00:31:16 | EnterUserName | Well |
| 00:31:26 | EnterUserName | Is the answer no for radio input for nano? |
| 00:31:27 | Zagor | baseballluver: unfortunately, the database isn't doing everything we'd like it to do yet |
| 00:31:51 | Zagor | EnterUserName: unless it has tuner hardware, it has no radio |
| 00:31:59 | n1s | EnterUserName: no accessory support at all for ipods, except some things that only use line out |
| 00:32:05 | EnterUserName | oh ok |
| 00:32:54 | * | [IDC]Dragon found another task for the weekend, bootbox has to wait |
| 00:33:05 | baseballluver | Ok, so do I have to manually enter in the name of every single name for the songs? It obviously can find it, but it doesn't categorize it itself. Is there some "miracle button" I can press to sort it by artist/album? |
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| 00:33:29 | linuxstb_ | What are you seeing on the display? |
| 00:33:34 | Zagor | baseballluver: rockbox can't read the itunes database, if that's what you're asking |
| 00:33:36 | EnterUserName | Hey all whats the prices for gigabeat? |
| 00:33:43 | EnterUserName | im looking to look at it. :) if its better htan ipod.. |
| 00:34:04 | baseballluver | "recent bookmars" "sound settings" etc. |
| 00:34:15 | linuxstb_ | That's the main menu... Exit that back to the file browser. |
| 00:34:29 | linuxstb_ | Have you initialised the database? |
| 00:34:36 | baseballluver | well, then how does it get the names for the "now playing" section? |
| 00:34:40 | linuxstb_ | And then shutdown and restarted? |
| 00:34:51 | linuxstb_ | And then changed the file view to "database" ? |
| 00:34:59 | EnterUserName | are all gigabeat F series supported? |
| 00:35:15 | linuxstb_ | As described in the manual... |
| 00:35:26 | baseballluver | rockbox must take up its fair share of ram. it's doing a "data abort". |
| 00:36:04 | baseballluver | hot damn! |
| 00:36:15 | baseballluver | You're my hero, linux. I didn't quite get the part about rebooting it. |
| 00:37:14 | linuxstb_ | Yes, the manual doesn't make that step obvious. |
| 00:37:34 | Febs | This thread can't possibly be serious: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8292 |
| 00:38:10 | baseballluver | dear lord. |
| 00:38:19 | GodEater | hahahaha |
| 00:38:26 | EnterUserName | who here uses gigabeat? |
| 00:38:31 | baseballluver | must be a joke. |
| 00:38:32 | EnterUserName | anyone make a suggestion compared to ipods? |
| 00:38:43 | * | linuxstb_ checks the posters previous posts.. |
| 00:38:53 | GodEater | no - he's an idiot Febs |
| 00:38:58 | Alonea | that HAS to be a joke (i use gigabeat) |
| 00:38:58 | GodEater | he's completely serious |
| 00:39:07 | Alonea | dear kami that scares me |
| 00:39:09 | hen3rz | wat an idiot |
| 00:39:31 | EnterUserName | tee hee |
| 00:39:36 | EnterUserName | ahhahaahah |
| 00:39:39 | EnterUserName | i have the same problem.. |
| 00:39:42 | EnterUserName | it dies after 8 hours.. |
| 00:39:43 | EnterUserName | :P |
| 00:40:03 | [IDC]Dragon | goodnight! |
| 00:40:13 | | Quit [IDC]Dragon (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC has never been so cool") |
| 00:40:33 | EnterUserName | Alonea: did you ever have an ipod how does it compare to u? |
| 00:41:34 | EnterUserName | I honestly do occasionally get a battery error after charging but resetting it (center/menu) button fixes it |
| 00:41:37 | Alonea | EnterUserName: I refuse to get an iPod. I used to have an old Archos and then the Gigabeat F-40. It is quite nice, especially with rockbox. battery time is nice too. around 14-19 hours depending |
| 00:41:53 | EnterUserName | i see it has video support too which is nice. |
| 00:42:05 | EnterUserName | Alonea: why do u not like ipods? |
| 00:43:51 | baseballluver | dang. I'm still having trouble locating my alphabetized library. I found it once, but I can't get back. |
| 00:44:37 | baseballluver | last question, I swear. |
| 00:44:38 | Alonea | for one, never been an apple fan, 2, iTunes is not something I would ever use or want to buy from, and 3, its highly overrated. Really, lets not get into an iPod debate. |
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| 00:45:09 | EnterUserName | Alonea: oh. i see im using rockbox for my nano its small so itunes i never use (i use amarok) But i agree itunes is a ** :) |
| 00:45:10 | baseballluver | Apple really is a bitch. Authorization tags are terrible. |
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| 00:45:34 | Quelsaruk | night |
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| 00:45:42 | EnterUserName | Does replacing firmware expire warranties? |
| 00:45:42 | baseballluver | but I still can't figure out how to get to my library. |
| 00:45:50 | EnterUserName | if i sent it in with rockbox on it.. |
| 00:46:07 | linuxstb_ | baseballluver: What are you seeing? |
| 00:46:14 | Alonea | price also had a bit to do with it. I like big harddrives on them since I carry all my music on it. |
| 00:46:27 | baseballluver | recent bookmars at the top. I got there before but I can't get back. |
| 00:46:49 | linuxstb_ | Try pressing menu. |
| 00:47:02 | linuxstb_ | Or left. |
| 00:47:14 | baseballluver | just takes me to the current song though. |
| 00:47:34 | baseballluver | A (not-so-good) boston tune. |
| 00:47:39 | linuxstb_ | Yes. Now press the middle button to go back to the browser. |
| 00:48:03 | linuxstb_ | Or a long press on play/pause will stop playback and return you to the browser. I'm sure this must be in the manual... |
| 00:48:18 | linuxstb_ | BTW, Rockbox is different to the Apple firmware.... |
| 00:48:43 | EnterUserName | Does anyone know if i sent my ipod back to the store with rockbox on it they'll say the warranty is void |
| 00:48:46 | EnterUserName | ? |
| 00:48:59 | EnterUserName | i need to get a new one cuz my battery is dying quicker nwo :) |
| 00:49:07 | linuxstb_ | Why not just remove it? |
| 00:49:10 | baseballluver | yes they will. |
| 00:49:14 | baseballluver | you screwed with the software. |
| 00:49:24 | baseballluver | There's a million ways to break an ipod though. google it. |
| 00:49:33 | EnterUserName | oh |
| 00:49:39 | EnterUserName | Linuxstb: lazyiness :) |
| 00:49:46 | EnterUserName | but i guess i'll remov eit :) |
| 00:50:12 | EnterUserName | crap |
| 00:50:19 | EnterUserName | they'll give me a second generation one too probably |
| 00:50:21 | EnterUserName | DAMN!! |
| 00:50:38 | EnterUserName | samne problem as my psps :() |
| 00:51:17 | baseballluver | linux, I'm still not at the same place thoughnow it's showing "shuffle on" on the left" "show files music" at the bottom and "repeat off" on the right. I still can't find the library |
| 00:51:42 | linuxstb_ | That's a long press. Short and long presses on buttons do different things. |
| 00:52:10 | baseballluver | now I'm on "calendars" at the top |
| 00:52:46 | linuxstb_ | That's the file browser.... You changed the view back to files. |
| 00:53:26 | linuxstb_ | Now do a long press on menu, press PLAY to change the file view, and MENU to exit back to the browser. |
| 00:53:32 | hcs | alrighty, back to the wimpy ipod for optimization |
| 00:53:39 | GodEater | ooooh I so want to chip in there with a "Batteries that hold an infinite charge being a bit thin on the ground...." |
| 00:55:26 | baseballluver | thank you, so much.' |
| 00:55:36 | baseballluver | thanks for everything, linux. |
| 00:56:02 | baseballluver | later, people. I'll return in "stage two: why does it turn off after 8 hours, and how can I turn it on?" |
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| 00:56:22 | EnterUserName | baseballuveR: lol |
| 00:56:28 | EnterUserName | do they still make 1rst generation nanos :( |
| 00:56:50 | sneakums | nope |
| 00:56:53 | EnterUserName | ok |
| 00:57:01 | EnterUserName | looks like its gunna suck if i have to return my ipod then |
| 00:57:10 | EnterUserName | i might as well fix it myself for the battery :( |
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| 00:57:45 | n1s | is "initialize" or "initialise" the proper Brithis english word? |
| 00:58:03 | | Quit baseballluver ("CGI:IRC") |
| 00:58:23 | EnterUserName | initialize i believe.. |
| 00:58:52 | n1s | thanks |
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| 00:58:57 | linuxstb_ | No, ise isBritish. |
| 00:59:02 | EnterUserName | oh |
| 00:59:04 | EnterUserName | really? |
| 00:59:04 | EnterUserName | :( |
| 00:59:07 | Mikachu | i heard that ize is gaining usage in british |
| 00:59:09 | n1s | changes |
| 00:59:22 | linuxstb_ | Mikachu: Not by me... |
| 00:59:22 | Mikachu | and The Collaborative International Dictionary of English says |
| 00:59:24 | Mikachu | initialise \initialise\ v. t. |
| 00:59:24 | Mikachu | initialize. [Chiefly Brit.] |
| 00:59:36 | Mikachu | no idea what that is though :) |
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| 01:00:51 | hcs | hm, for some reason thought it was the other way around |
| 01:01:15 | n1s | meh, it will be with z now because teh menu option is with z and at least we are consequent now... |
| 01:01:34 | | Quit Everybody|away ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") |
| 01:02:02 | EnterUserName | hey all has any of you seen the Ipod nano clones |
| 01:02:07 | Mikachu | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ize#-ise_.2F_-ize |
| 01:02:08 | EnterUserName | are they same chipset as ipod usually |
| 01:02:24 | Mikachu | read that if you're bored :) |
| 01:03:58 | Zagor | EnterUserName: most assuredly not the same chipset |
| 01:04:17 | EnterUserName | just curious :) |
| 01:04:30 | EnterUserName | i wasted money on the extra warranty it seems :( |
| 01:06:29 | Zagor | ohmigod! |
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| 01:07:14 | Zagor | either awstats is buggy, or we've burned through >300 GB bandwidth so far in january |
| 01:07:23 | | Part barrywardell_ |
| 01:07:37 | Mikachu | do you have a limit / pay per bandwidth? |
| 01:08:07 | Zagor | we pay for 160 /month... |
| 01:08:14 | linuxstb_ | Which server(s) is that? |
| 01:08:21 | Zagor | linuxstb_: download |
| 01:08:32 | linuxstb_ | How much do the videos contribute? |
| 01:09:01 | Zagor | linuxstb_: completed mpg transfers are 70GB |
| 01:09:18 | Zagor | the killer is awstats isn't reporting aborted transfers per file type. |
| 01:09:32 | Zagor | I just noticed we've got 112 GB aborted downloads |
| 01:09:46 | linuxstb_ | Very possibly the videos then... |
| 01:09:54 | Zagor | I would suspect so too |
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| 01:10:19 | Zagor | we've planned to upgrade to 320 GB/month, but even that won't suffice at this speed |
| 01:10:45 | n1s | Maybe we could make a torrent for the videos and ask people to seed it |
| 01:11:05 | linuxstb_ | Most people wouldn't want all the videos though. |
| 01:11:06 | bonbonthejon | I have a change for /trunk/firmware/target/arm/ipod/power-ipod.c for ipod 4g |
| 01:11:24 | n1s | post a patch in the tracker |
| 01:11:58 | bonbonthejon | n1s: its for when the ipod is plugged in |
| 01:12:28 | n1s | linuxstb_: maybe we could have shorter 1 minute clips instead |
| 01:13:00 | n1s | bonbonthejon: what does it do that makes it not belong in the tracker? |
| 01:13:34 | bonbonthejon | n1s: its GPIO for when the plug is inserted |
| 01:13:49 | bonbonthejon | n1s: I dont know what to do |
| 01:13:51 | n1s | linuxstb_ that would also be a nice work around for the rebuffer problem :-P |
| 01:13:58 | amiconn | Zagor: I wouldn't have expected a volume limit... |
| 01:14:34 | Mikachu | Zagor: how much is the vmware image? |
| 01:15:14 | n1s | bonbonthejon: see here how to create a patch http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches#Creating_A_Patch |
| 01:15:28 | Zagor | Mikachu: 24 GB completed transfers (13%) |
| 01:15:50 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:15:50 | n1s | Zagor: how much is actual rockbox? |
| 01:15:51 | Mikachu | it might help a bit if you put my link above yours then |
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| 01:16:36 | Mikachu | i only have 13 downloads of it |
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| 01:17:00 | Mikachu | (2.7GiB) |
| 01:17:00 | Zagor | n1s: hard to say. zip files are 31%, but that includes fonts and manuals and lots of non-core stuff. |
| 01:17:15 | n1s | aah |
| 01:19:31 | Mikachu | i can host the videos too, but since it's just my desktop i can't guarantee availability, so you'll still need your links too, which could make the table a bit messy |
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| 01:20:56 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: would you mind doing a quick test for me ? |
| 01:21:02 | Nico_P | cuesheet related |
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| 01:22:53 | Nico_P | or maybe if there are volunteers... |
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| 01:23:46 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: Sure. |
| 01:23:48 | Mikachu | Zagor: what do you think? |
| 01:24:24 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: cool. can you still reproduce the crashing when you skip to a cuesheet right after adding it to the playlist ? |
| 01:24:51 | linuxstb_ | I haven't been able to recreate that since the first time. |
| 01:25:02 | Nico_P | it seems to be codec related |
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| 01:25:43 | Nico_P | i think the file you're playing before skipping has to be of another codec |
| 01:26:14 | Nico_P | on my player every single time i tried with an M4A and then an MP3 + CUE, it crashed |
| 01:26:33 | Nico_P | but just no i did the exact same thing with MP3 and then MP3 + CUE : no crash |
| 01:27:02 | Nico_P | and once i got a "codec error" or something like it in the sim when i tried to reproduce the crash |
| 01:27:09 | linuxstb_ | My test was FLAC followed by MP2. But as I said, it suddenly stopped crashing.. |
| 01:27:09 | Nico_P | but it didn't actually crash |
| 01:27:34 | Nico_P | so you were still testing the same combination of codecs each time ? |
| 01:28:25 | linuxstb_ | Yes. The difference was that the first time (when it was crashing), I was building the database in the background. I could try deleting the database and see if that recreates it. |
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| 01:29:27 | Nico_P | are you sure cuesheet support is still enabled ? somehow it just got disabled on my player... |
| 01:29:56 | Zagor | Mikachu: I think we should probably "outsource" the movies, but we need a fast and stable place. various desktop machines isn't really good enough IMO |
| 01:30:54 | Nico_P | hmm... no crash this time |
| 01:32:11 | Nico_P | well i can't get it to crash anymore :s |
| 01:32:16 | Mikachu | my uptime is usually around 30 days with short reboots, but sometimes they manage to kill my internet connection for hours |
| 01:32:19 | Redbreva | Zagor: I have 7 GB of space and 100 GB/Month allowance if that is of any use (With 1&1) |
| 01:32:55 | Mikachu | (and my connection is 100mbits) |
| 01:34:09 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: I can't recreate it either... Very strange. |
| 01:34:18 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: indeed |
| 01:35:08 | linuxstb_ | BTW, is cuesheet support enabled by default? I just cleared my settings, and it was enabled. |
| 01:35:09 | Zagor | Redbreva, Mikachu: thanks for the offers. i'll have to think about it. time for bed. |
| 01:35:52 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: Hmm, the default value seems to be 20... |
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| 01:36:21 | linuxstb_ | (should be false) |
| 01:36:30 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: oops... forgot to change the default value from the old setting |
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| 01:40:28 | preglow | jhMikeS: frac mode calculates the msb of the result |
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| 01:57:43 | terinjokes | anyone here running on linux that compiles the kernel? |
| 01:57:50 | terinjokes | compilies rockbox* |
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| 02:01:14 | barrywardell | n1s: i tested my ata poweroff suggestion on my h10 and it seems to no longer bring up the error messages (tested with sleeping for HZ/20) |
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| 02:05:31 | Soap_ | Febs: I have started having that problems also as of the last two months. And my battery still benches out at almost factory condition. |
| 02:07:02 | Soap_ | oops, that was a late reply - I was refering to your comment on http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8292 |
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| 02:08:37 | Febs | I didn't read his post as having that problem (whcih I've had myself once or twice). |
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| 02:09:19 | Febs | The low battery indicator will show up even on a full charge. |
| 02:09:45 | Soap_ | yea, I don't recall it doing that +- before Thanksgiving. |
| 02:09:47 | sneakums | terinjokes: yes, i build rockbox on linus. |
| 02:09:52 | sneakums | terinjokes: er, on linux |
| 02:10:05 | * | Soap_ was going to ask how linus felt about all that. |
| 02:10:13 | Febs | But I read that post as just saying "sometimes my battery is dead." |
| 02:10:39 | Soap_ | Febs: seeing as who posted the query - your reading might be right. |
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| 02:12:06 | Febs | I edited my response. |
| 02:14:25 | terinjokes | sneakums: what distro |
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| 02:15:06 | sneakums | terinjokes: debian ppc |
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| 02:16:23 | Soap_ | oh Febs, I didn't mean to challenge your response! |
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| 02:17:13 | Febs | No, but you made me realize that there might be an issue there that I hadn't considered. |
| 02:18:14 | terinjokes | hrm, I want to install on Gentoo, just don't know what I need from portage to get it to work |
| 02:18:37 | sneakums | not much, since you'll be building the binutils and compiler yourself |
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| 02:19:05 | terinjokes | so, i can just emerge 'binutils' and 'arm-thingy'? |
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| 02:19:43 | sneakums | well no, if you emerge binutils you'll just get binutils for native code |
| 02:19:51 | sneakums | you need a special binutils for arm |
| 02:20:31 | sneakums | ditto the compiler, unless gentoo actually has ebuilds for cross-compilers |
| 02:20:47 | sneakums | but even if they did, they may not have the specific version that is recommended for rockbox builds |
| 02:20:55 | terinjokes | hrm... i'll look |
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| 02:21:26 | jhMikeS | preglow: I translate that as "calculates the product of two 32 bit values, keeps the most sig. 40 bits then accumulates the result" :) unless I'm reading the lit. incorrectly. |
| 02:21:36 | sneakums | the cross compiler procedure on the wiki is straightforward enough, and i had no problems with either m68k or arm |
| 02:22:01 | linuxstb_ | terinjokes: Just run the tools/rockboxdev.sh script - that will setup the compiler(s) for you. |
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| 02:22:41 | amiconn | jhMikeS: A bit different than that. It keeps 48 bits, which are neither the msbs nor the lsb when viewed as integer |
| 02:22:54 | preglow | jhMikeS: aye |
| 02:23:12 | amiconn | The middle 32 bit are in %accN, the high 8 and the low 8 are in the extension reg |
| 02:23:15 | preglow | jhMikeS: what it does is calculate 32*32, shift the result once to the left, then accumulate |
| 02:23:58 | amiconn | Meh, it keeps 40 bits from the multiplication, but the accumulator is 48 bits |
| 02:24:38 | jhMikeS | Eight of those are sign (in the high ext.) or am I not clear? |
| 02:24:55 | DataGhost | http://de.dataghost.com/ipl/Loader2.avi <- woohoo :) |
| 02:25:35 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The upper extension bits are not only a sign extension |
| 02:26:04 | jhMikeS | amiconn: really, that's the jist I got from the manual |
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| 02:26:34 | preglow | jhMikeS: it's also used as accumulator guard bits |
| 02:26:35 | jhMikeS | so it actually contains data then? guess the manual's goofy |
| 02:26:36 | amiconn | You won't fill them with anything else with just one mac instruction, but when issuing multiple mac instructions in sequence, the high ext. bits will get used |
| 02:27:43 | amiconn | emac does 32*32->64, shift one left, cut off the low 24 bits (yielding 40 bits), and then add that to the 48 bit accumulator |
| 02:28:10 | amiconn | (in fractionalk mode) |
| 02:28:52 | amiconn | %accN contains the middle 32 bits of the accumulator, the extension reg contains both the upper 8 and the lower 8 bits |
| 02:29:29 | jhMikeS | essentially (x*y >> 24) + acc with the result split 8-32-8? |
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| 02:30:09 | amiconn | Not >> 24 |
| 02:32:23 | amiconn | There's an implicit left-shift by 1 in fractional mode |
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| 02:33:19 | jhMikeS | The diagram on p. 1-9 isn't entirely accurate then cause it shows 40 msb taken from the result (fractional) and the high extention just being a sign extension. |
| 02:33:33 | preglow | can anyone tell me why windows is so WOEFULLY SLOW in handling smb shares that are no longer present? |
| 02:33:37 | amiconn | Yes, for the multiply part |
| 02:33:44 | amiconn | But it's mac, not mul |
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| 02:33:59 | preglow | bloody unresponsive piece of shit |
| 02:35:13 | jhMikeS | amiconn: right, was mostly wondering about the mult part. |
| 02:36:27 | amiconn | And yes, the diagram seems to be slightly incorrect |
| 02:36:49 | DataGhost | haha preglow |
| 02:36:57 | DataGhost | that's always funny yes |
| 02:37:00 | DataGhost | and when you close that window |
| 02:37:04 | DataGhost | your whole shell crashes :P |
| 02:37:30 | preglow | yes, they're doing a fucking bad job in handling something they themselves invented |
| 02:37:44 | preglow | jhMikeS: lots of emac documentation is somewhat wrong |
| 02:37:46 | preglow | just so you know |
| 02:38:07 | preglow | the part of leftshifting the result i haven't seen mentioned anywhere, so had to figure that out mysellf |
| 02:39:15 | DataGhost | anyway, I'm going to call it a night |
| 02:39:25 | DataGhost | i've done enough work on the loader for now, the juicy bits are for tomorrow |
| 02:39:28 | DataGhost | nn :) |
| 02:40:40 | preglow | nightie |
| 02:40:49 | jhMikeS | preglow: gnight |
| 02:41:05 | preglow | jhMikeS: i'm not going to bed, if that's what you mean |
| 02:41:05 | * | jhMikeS hates wrong, scarce documentation |
| 02:41:19 | preglow | jhMikeS: unless you really want me to, that is :) |
| 02:41:21 | jhMikeS | woops :) thought it was you |
| 02:45:34 | n1s | barrywardell: very nice :-) |
| 02:45:36 | jhMikeS | well, synth works with a 32 bit wide linear interpolated lookup but emac seems the thing for handling the intermediate 64 bit result since the compiler's handling is so slow |
| 02:46:12 | preglow | well, just keep in mind that you won't get the full 64 bits |
| 02:46:26 | preglow | never seen a case where i need them all, though |
| 02:46:27 | jhMikeS | don't need em |
| 02:46:54 | jhMikeS | I need a muldiv not a multiply of 64 bit numbers |
| 02:47:18 | barrywardell | n1s: it was an easy fix in the end |
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| 02:48:31 | n1s | midgey: We have been using this page to keep track of the Todo list for the manual, it's kind of outdated but might be useful http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualTodo |
| 02:48:48 | n1s | barrywardell: the easy fixes are the best ones :-) |
| 02:50:41 | amiconn | hmm |
| 02:51:13 | amiconn | Now it gets somewhat interesting, and I have a question for LinusN |
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| 02:51:55 | Febs | Hmm. Perhaps number one on ManualTodo should be "Update ManualTodo." |
| 02:52:02 | * | n1s gets curious and guesses LinusN is asleep |
| 02:52:31 | n1s | Febs: yep, it hasn't been updated since november |
| 02:52:32 | amiconn | ata_init() has a sleep(HZ) after ide_power_enable(true); but ata_power_on() does not |
| 02:52:49 | amiconn | ata.c lines 764 and 964 |
| 02:53:15 | amiconn | The comment for the second one is /* allow voltage to build up */ |
| 02:53:26 | amiconn | (line 957 I mean) |
| 02:53:28 | n1s | Yes I saw that too |
| 02:53:49 | jhMikeS | is the syntax msac.l %%d2, %%d6, (3*4, %[X]), %%d7, %%acc3 the one that loads from mem while mac-ing? I see that in layer3.c |
| 02:55:06 | amiconn | That raises 2 questions. (1) Why such a long sleep in the init? (2) Why no sleep at all in the general power on sequence? |
| 02:56:16 | amiconn | Perhaps this is the cause for the power-on crashes on the problematic archos players... |
| 02:56:23 | n1s | Yes it is strange, wasn't the crashing v4 h300 bootloader somehow related to disk poweron too? |
| 02:56:29 | * | amiconn hopes that LinusN still has that problematic player |
| 02:56:47 | jhMikeS | And do the CPUs in the players have EMAC_B? Instructions like "mssac"? |
| 02:56:54 | * | amiconn wants to see disk poweroff permanently enabled on all targets which can do the trick |
| 02:57:02 | * | n1s too |
| 02:59:37 | amiconn | barrywardell: What happened on H10 without the sleep(1) ? |
| 02:59:40 | * | jhMikeS got himself an Archos player for playback rework testing. what a tank. :) |
| 02:59:53 | amiconn | I mean what effect did you observe? |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:35 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Yeah it's quite big, but then it uses 2.5" disk so you can put in a really big one |
| 03:00:56 | barrywardell | amiconn: FS #6421 explains it quite well |
| 03:00:58 | amiconn | (though filling such a big hd will take ages through the player's usb) |
| 03:01:03 | barrywardell | robert cotey's comments |
| 03:01:17 | jhMikeS | It's heavy too. Could knock someone out with it. :) |
| 03:01:25 | barrywardell | the first disk access when coming from power off failed |
| 03:04:36 | amiconn | Yes, it seems voltage didn't have stabilised enough and so the disk simply "ignored" the command |
| 03:05:06 | amiconn | It also caused crashes; that's what LinusN observed on the player iirc |
| 03:05:25 | amiconn | I think it depends on where the access fails (settings code, playback etc) |
| 03:05:36 | barrywardell | i'm not sure how long it should be left to stabalise for, but 1 tick seemed enough for me |
| 03:06:03 | amiconn | A few milliseconds should be enough. |
| 03:06:19 | amiconn | Hence my question #1 earlier |
| 03:06:31 | n1s | playback is known to crash if the file it is trying to access is deleted so it seems like not being able to read at all would be as bad |
| 03:07:00 | amiconn | hmm |
| 03:07:07 | barrywardell | amiconn: yes, HZ seems excessive |
| 03:07:09 | amiconn | Hwcodec playback is more robust in that respect |
| 03:07:26 | amiconn | If the file just played goes away, it just skips to the next file |
| 03:07:55 | amiconn | (not immediately, but when the read fails) |
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| 03:08:39 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The hwcodec playback is currently very different from the swcodec one, but I'd like to see that changed |
| 03:09:16 | * | amiconn will (hopefully) add a mas state machine sometime soon |
| 03:09:35 | amiconn | This state machine isn't necessary for the player, but for the other archoses |
| 03:09:37 | jhMikeS | That's why if I change it around I need to test and get immediate feedback about it. |
| 03:10:08 | jhMikeS | preglow: so the emac unit is running in fractional mode in dsp.c? |
| 03:10:10 | amiconn | If you change playback.c, it currently has no effect on hwcodec |
| 03:10:19 | amiconn | The file simply isn't used for hwcodec |
| 03:10:48 | jhMikeS | right, but the interface probably will a bit which will change things around. hopefully they'll be more alike. |
| 03:11:44 | mirak | good beer |
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| 03:11:48 | mirak | hem night ! |
| 03:12:00 | amiconn | When the pcm codec will be added in the core, MAS3507 devices (i.e. the player) don't need a state machine because there is only one state: mpa playback |
| 03:12:20 | amiconn | The MAS3539 targets (i.e. Ondio SP) will have 2: mpa playback and pcm playback |
| 03:12:30 | Bradley | hi - where can i get some nice themse for my ipod nano - i couldnt seem to find them onthe website |
| 03:12:48 | mirak | I have a coworker that have a H10. I though it was way smaller, but it's almost bigger than a H320 !!! |
| 03:13:09 | n1s | No way! |
| 03:13:12 | amiconn | The MAS3587 targets (the other 4) will have a total of 4 states: mpa playback, pcm playback, mpa recording and pcm recording |
| 03:13:18 | barrywardell | there are two different types of h10 |
| 03:13:18 | Llorea2 | The 20gb H10s are pretty big. |
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| 03:13:27 | barrywardell | the 20gb is about the same as the h320 |
| 03:13:36 | mirak | I guess it was the H10 20gb then |
| 03:13:54 | n1s | The size is the one thing about my h320 that I don't like |
| 03:13:55 | mirak | my coworker was a bit jealous about h320 screen |
| 03:14:21 | mirak | n1s: me too, it's starting to bother me, espacially in comparison if recent ipods |
| 03:14:36 | mirak | n1s: but when you see old ipods, it nothing to be jealous |
| 03:14:42 | Llorean | I really like the H120's size, but I like my electronics a bit bigger than is considered fashionable. |
| 03:14:50 | mirak | h320 is just out dated, we should "get over it" |
| 03:15:13 | mirak | it's not outdated feature wise though |
| 03:15:26 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I'm wondering what that means then for architecture if to unify things. Should the states pose as a codec? |
| 03:15:38 | n1s | , I guess so, but I'll probably use it until it dies and the buy the best player with rockbox :-) |
| 03:15:47 | mirak | n1s: me too |
| 03:15:51 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:16:07 | mirak | n1s: in fact during hem, the cold season, how is it called ? |
| 03:16:25 | mirak | there spring , summer, autumn and ? |
| 03:16:25 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Hmm, I think they are something like a codec. But we can't unify every aspect |
| 03:16:28 | n1s | winter |
| 03:16:28 | Mikachu | Llorean: if it breaks, you want to actually be able to use it as a brick? |
| 03:16:33 | amiconn | For instance, a state change can never be gapless |
| 03:16:50 | mirak | n1s: winter ! like in winter games !!! |
| 03:16:55 | amiconn | Especially mpa->pcm will take a while |
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| 03:17:16 | Mikachu | if someone encodes a gapless album with different codecs, they're a bit dumb :) |
| 03:17:18 | amiconn | Transferring ~7.5KB via i2c takes some time... |
| 03:17:19 | mirak | n1s: well during winter, the H320 size is not a problem because I put it in my jacket pockets |
| 03:17:35 | mirak | n1s: but during summer it's a bit too big in the jean !! |
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| 03:18:03 | n1s | mirak: exactly! |
| 03:18:20 | Mikachu | move to sweden and always wear a jacket |
| 03:18:38 | mirak | n1s: so you must choose between phone, wallet and H320 and most of time I must not take H320 |
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| 03:19:02 | mirak | Mikachu: I am in Paris right know, I am waiting summer |
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| 03:19:03 | mirak | or spring |
| 03:19:13 | jhMikeS | amiconn: true...there's a lot of demand on SWCODEC playback that isn't there for the other. I would like to not see higher level code be aware of the difference though as much as possible to remove #ifdef SWCODEC stuff. |
| 03:19:15 | mirak | spring and summer |
| 03:19:21 | mirak | skirts |
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| 03:25:22 | MainCorpse | hi everyone |
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| 03:25:52 | LukeTaylor | can sum1 help me install rockbox on my ipod? |
| 03:26:08 | LukeTaylor | it keeps not working |
| 03:26:15 | LukeTaylor | HEEEEEEEELP |
| 03:26:19 | LukeTaylor | SOMEONE HELP ME |
| 03:26:31 | n1s | what have you done? |
| 03:26:37 | LukeTaylor | It didn't work |
| 03:26:42 | Llorean | LukeTaylor: You know, we'd be more inclined to if you didn't spam 4 lines in 27 seconds. |
| 03:26:48 | LukeTaylor | sorry |
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| 03:26:53 | LukeTaylor | but rockbox isn't working |
| 03:26:57 | Llorean | We're going to need more than 'It didn't work' |
| 03:27:03 | Llorean | What's the error message, and on what screen? |
| 03:27:10 | LukeTaylor | i dont no how 2 mak it work |
| 03:27:13 | Bradley | i followed the steps for my ipod nano yesterday and had no problems |
| 03:27:22 | LukeTaylor | where are the steps? |
| 03:27:27 | Pauley | www.ipodlinux.com |
| 03:27:28 | n1s | manual? |
| 03:27:41 | LukeTaylor | thats linux not rockbox |
| 03:27:44 | LukeTaylor | i think |
| 03:27:46 | LukeTaylor | what manual |
| 03:27:54 | Pauley | rtfm |
| 03:28:00 | n1s | LukeTaylor: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 03:28:03 | LukeTaylor | rtfm? |
| 03:28:11 | Pauley | read the fscking manual |
| 03:28:11 | LukeTaylor | thankyou mr n1s |
| 03:28:22 | Llorean | Pauley: Why on earth did you link ipodlinux? |
| 03:28:34 | Mikachu | he didn't |
| 03:28:35 | Pauley | dunno Llorean |
| 03:28:39 | n1s | np, make sure you follow the entire installation instructions |
| 03:28:43 | Pauley | <Pauley> www.ipodlinux.com |
| 03:28:44 | Mikachu | ipodlinux is at .org |
| 03:28:46 | Llorean | Mikachu: Yeah, the link is bad, but still. |
| 03:28:52 | Llorean | He tried. |
| 03:28:55 | Pauley | its .org |
| 03:28:58 | Pauley | not .com :P |
| 03:29:03 | Pauley | ya |
| 03:29:05 | Pauley | lol |
| 03:29:06 | Mikachu | maybe he's a bit slow |
| 03:29:07 | Pauley | hehe |
| 03:29:09 | Pauley | hiiiiiii |
| 03:29:19 | Pauley | lol |
| 03:29:29 | Pauley | my dad installs linux and rockbox on his ipods |
| 03:29:36 | Pauley | he has 2 of each ipod |
| 03:29:39 | Pauley | got them from his work |
| 03:29:41 | Pauley | hes cool |
| 03:29:44 | Pauley | he got rockbox and linux |
| 03:29:48 | Pauley | he lieks them |
| 03:29:50 | Pauley | !!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:29:56 | Pauley | hehehehe |
| 03:30:01 | scorche | stop it.... |
| 03:30:10 | Bradley | where can i get themse for rockbox ? |
| 03:30:11 | Pauley | whyyyyyyyyyyyy? |
| 03:30:21 | scorche | because you are spamming |
| 03:30:21 | Pauley | try google or dogpile |
| 03:30:24 | scorche | and being annoying |
| 03:30:26 | linuxstb_ | Pauley: Goodbye. |
| 03:30:26 | Pauley | no iiiiiiiiiim not |
| 03:30:27 | n1s | scorche: your Op right ;-) |
| 03:30:29 | Pauley | im taaaaaaaaaaalking |
| 03:30:29 | Llorean | Pauley: because this is a logged channel, and we don't like the logs to be flooded. |
| 03:30:35 | Pauley | oh ok sorrrry |
| 03:30:36 | Mode | "#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
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| 03:31:23 | scorche | hmph |
| 03:31:25 | Mikachu | too late |
| 03:31:45 | Llorean | +o? We don't need no stinkin' +o... |
| 03:31:51 | scorche | he probably saw i got op and then got scared and left... |
| 03:32:08 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Yes. Ideally, only the format support wil vary |
| 03:32:11 | Llorean | Possibly. He did apologize before you +o'ed though. |
| 03:32:32 | | Quit phrozen77 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 03:32:46 | amiconn | (mas can only do mp2, mp3, and wav, aiff, the latter 2 not on the player |
| 03:33:20 | amiconn | Perhaps some lightweight module formats like protracker/noisetracker, but that can wait... |
| 03:33:20 | | Quit phrozen77_ (Connection timed out) |
| 03:34:07 | linuxstb_ | That depends on the CPU attached to the MAS... |
| 03:34:24 | amiconn | Yes, AV3xx will be able to do more |
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| 03:35:02 | scorche | how much will it be able to do with a 50-something MHz cpu? |
| 03:35:08 | Llorean | Well isn't the AV3xx's CPU about as capable as the iFP-7xx series? |
| 03:35:11 | amiconn | if that port ever gets to usable state that is ... there is that elio port ......... |
| 03:35:23 | Llorean | Well, the 7xx is 60mhz if I recall |
| 03:35:38 | Bradley | quick problem - when i choose 'browse themes' and select them - nothing happens. i thought a new 'look' will appera on the ipod - but it doesnt. |
| 03:35:52 | Llorean | Bradley: Do you have the fonts installed? |
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| 03:36:11 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: The ipod ports are almost usable... |
| 03:36:27 | linuxstb_ | But yes, the Elio was a bad idea, because it's just not an interesting device. |
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| 03:36:39 | HTD | helllo |
| 03:36:49 | jhMikeS | amiconn: meant to ask, what's this implicit left shift of 1 with emac and at what stage does it occur? |
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| 03:38:37 | HTD | Does anyone know the settings I need to change to minimize the use of my battery? before I had rockbox my battery would playback for the whole day (on and off) but when I got rockbox it normally dies half way through my day. I'm pretty sure its the settings because when I read the manual they were talking about loading to RAM and a bunch of other stuff like Play on resume. So does anyoine know all the features in the settings that will allow |
| 03:38:52 | Bradley | Llorean, you mean the fonts at the bottom of the page at http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml because no i don't |
| 03:39:00 | HTD | if it matters im using iriver h10 20GB |
| 03:39:18 | Llorean | Bradley: Yes, those need to be installed. As well, most WPSes affect the playback screen, the WPS |
| 03:39:24 | Llorean | Err, most themes rather, affect it. |
| 03:39:47 | Llorean | HTD: ON the h10, Rockbox gets about half the battery life of the original firmware. |
| 03:39:48 | n1s | HTD: if you use the very latest SVN version, turn on "disk poweroff" in the system settings |
| 03:39:51 | barrywardell | HTD: try enabling disk poweroff. that should help battery life |
| 03:39:58 | n1s | :-P |
| 03:40:04 | barrywardell | beat me to it :) |
| 03:40:21 | HTD | turn on or off? |
| 03:40:27 | n1s | on |
| 03:40:28 | HTD | n1s said on but barry said off |
| 03:40:33 | HTD | okay |
| 03:40:38 | Bradley | Llorean, ok thanks. ill do that now. |
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| 03:41:13 | HTD | is that under general ssettings? im having trouble finding it >< |
| 03:41:16 | barrywardell | i said enable... |
| 03:41:33 | HTD | nvm found it |
| 03:42:19 | n1s | you should really use the very latest svn to avoid trouble with that setting |
| 03:42:25 | HTD | cool got it, anything else? |
| 03:42:43 | HTD | well im using a CVS build |
| 03:42:47 | HTD | so i can dual boot |
| 03:42:50 | HTD | to original |
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| 03:43:22 | preglow | jhMikeS: yes, it's running in fractional mode |
| 03:43:25 | HTD | is there anything else i can do to decrease the battery? |
| 03:43:32 | n1s | HTD: there was a bug that caused some trouble fixed tonight, download and install this http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-h10/rockbox.zip |
| 03:43:34 | preglow | jhMikeS: and yes, that's the syntax for the parallel load |
| 03:43:48 | preglow | jhMikeS: and no, we only have mac and msac instructions |
| 03:43:51 | HTD | ty |
| 03:44:23 | HTD | is it a cvs build? |
| 03:44:25 | jhMikeS | preglow: ok. maybe you can tell me more about the implicit << 1? |
| 03:44:28 | HTD | or the daily? |
| 03:48:58 | preglow | jhMikeS: what's there to know? |
| 03:49:03 | HTD | that link you gave me, is that the CVS or daily build? |
| 03:49:24 | preglow | jhMikeS: it's done to adjust the fixed point format |
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| 03:50:12 | preglow | jhMikeS: s0.31 x s0.31 -> s1.62, s1.62 << 1 -> s0.61, take only the upper part and you have s0.31 |
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| 03:51:55 | Bradley | Llorean, thanks that worked! |
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| 03:56:05 | HTD | =/ |
| 03:56:15 | HTD | anyone here? |
| 03:57:08 | HTD | help? |
| 03:57:25 | Mikachu | probably around 4 people are waiting for you to write your actual question |
| 03:57:32 | HTD | i did |
| 03:57:37 | HTD | do you want me to copy and paste? |
| 03:57:51 | Mikachu | oh, then i guess it was just me |
| 03:58:01 | HTD | Does anyone know the settings I need to change to minimize the use of my battery? before I had rockbox my battery would playback for the whole day (on and off) but when I got rockbox it normally dies half way through my day. I'm pretty sure its the settings because when I read the manual they were talking about loading to RAM and a bunch of other stuff like Play on resume. So does anyoine know all the features in the settings that will allow |
| 03:58:13 | Llorean | HTD: I told you, Half battery life is EXPECTED. |
| 03:58:26 | HTD | oh now you return =/ |
| 03:58:26 | Mikachu | apart from the disk poweroff thing, there's really nothing else |
| 03:58:32 | Mikachu | obviously don't set backlight to never shut off |
| 03:58:37 | Llorean | HTD: Return from what, I'd already answered that question. |
| 03:58:50 | HTD | the link you gave |
| 03:58:55 | HTD | me was it cvs or daily build |
| 03:59:01 | Llorean | I didn't give a link. |
| 03:59:04 | HTD | -_- |
| 03:59:06 | Llorean | But it's an SVN build |
| 03:59:13 | Llorean | n1s gave the link |
| 03:59:18 | HTD | and thats suppose to help? |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:00 | Llorean | It fixes a bug with the disk power off option. |
| 04:00:18 | HTD | okay ty ill try it out |
| 04:00:30 | Llorean | But it's not going to greatly increase your battery life. |
| 04:00:33 | HTD | does the Load to RAM option matter much? |
| 04:00:39 | preglow | think i'll go bed |
| 04:00:40 | preglow | nightie |
| 04:00:51 | Llorean | Load to RAM can be better or worse depending on how you use the player. |
| 04:00:52 | jhMikeS | goodnight |
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| 04:01:33 | Febs | I like the WPSes JustJohnny has been posting in the forums: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8278.msg49315 |
| 04:02:06 | Llorean | I really like the fact that he's starting with the screen size on his topics. |
| 04:02:42 | Llorean | But those are WPSes I might use. |
| 04:02:57 | Febs | Yup. I agree with the people who've suggested that they be made the default theme. |
| 04:03:51 | HTD | if i never play any games can i delete the plugins folder? |
| 04:04:03 | Febs | There are more than games in the plugins folder. |
| 04:04:12 | HTD | oh |
| 04:04:38 | Febs | For example, if you want to use the "move to random folder" feature, you need to run the associated plug-in first. |
| 04:06:35 | Llorean | Febs: The orange color does kinda clash with the color scheme of most players I think, but I do like it as a better default candidate than the iCatcher. iCatcher is nice looking but it feels too strongly iPod inspired to me. |
| 04:07:25 | Febs | Well, it IS the Rockbox color scheme, after all. |
| 04:07:30 | linuxstb_ | HTD: Plugins don't affect your battery life if you don't use them though - they just waste a tiny bit of disk space. |
| 04:07:32 | Febs | (Like it or not.) |
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| 04:08:47 | HTD | what about disk spin? |
| 04:08:54 | HTD | disk spindown |
| 04:09:05 | Llorean | Febs: Yeah, and I like the orange, I just think a lot of other people will say it's too harsh for a WPS. |
| 04:09:22 | Mikachu | you shouldn't design a wps based on other people |
| 04:09:27 | Llorean | HTD: Depends on your usage patterns. |
| 04:09:42 | Llorean | Mikachu: I already have *my* WPS. |
| 04:10:31 | HTD | my usage pattern consists of browsing via id3 tags and browsing folders (split about 50/50) and i edit/save playlist a lot |
| 04:11:07 | Llorean | More or less I meant "how much time do you spend browsing, do you do it often or rarely ever?" |
| 04:11:30 | HTD | often |
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| 04:12:14 | Llorean | Then you want Load to RAM, and you want disk spindown to be the shortest possible time that doesn't cause it to spin down *while* you're browsing. If you use both Dircache and TagCache in RAM, you should have the spindown at the lowest. |
| 04:12:47 | linuxstb_ | If you keep changing your mind about what you want to listen to, Rockbox will waste a lot of battery buffering music you never listen to. |
| 04:12:54 | HTD | ty' |
| 04:13:11 | Llorean | Rockbox does kinda expect you to be decisive. |
| 04:13:18 | HTD | well i dont change |
| 04:13:28 | HTD | like i said i spend sometime edit/saving playlist |
| 04:13:39 | HTD | when i browse through music i add them to playlist |
| 04:13:41 | HTD | not change the song |
| 04:15:11 | HTD | i have 3k songs and going (about to add 631 tonight) and rockbox allows me for the first time to make/save playlist that will be playback by my player |
| 04:15:13 | HTD | so yeah |
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| 04:18:51 | HTD | whats car adapter mode? |
| 04:19:02 | HTD | if i use a tapedeck should i enable it? |
| 04:19:21 | Llorean | HTD: For questions like that you should simply consult the manual |
| 04:20:17 | HTD | okay thanks for your help everyone ill see if this will help |
| 04:20:22 | HTD | have a good night |
| 04:20:24 | HTD | see ya |
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| 06:22:25 | Mouser_X | Well, I must say, Rockboy works as a useable GBS player. |
| 06:22:37 | Mouser_X | It's certainly far from good, but it's usuable. |
| 06:22:44 | Mouser_X | *useable |
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| 08:01:54 | Hdaackda | hi guys. just a suggestion for the playlist (rockbox ipod video 5.5G): We can add the Music directory in ipod_control (with the add recursive directories option ON) and all our ipod songs can be played on rockbox. it creates a playlist |
| 08:02:52 | Hdaackda | only drawback. It doesnt display the song information in the list. as in it will only display file names (four or five letter) like XJJF or JFHJR etc. It does display the info once a song is played but there is no way to know before playing one which one is which |
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| 08:24:06 | BHSPitLappy | is arm-elf-gcc 3.4.3 preferable for the iPod targets? |
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| 08:29:05 | scorche | BHSPitLappy: see CrossCompiler for suggested versions |
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| 08:36:12 | Hdaackda | is there any way the playlist can show somg titles instead of the filenames? |
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| 08:53:36 | BHSPitLappy | I have little to no programming experience, but that looks like it could be a -lot- shorter :) |
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| 09:43:45 | Tandoc | quick question, is it possible on an ipod to use both rockbox and original apple firmware and have both playback from the same set of files? |
| 09:45:40 | scorche | yes |
| 09:45:49 | Tandoc | ok i'm sold |
| 09:45:57 | Tandoc | is it on the wiki/manual? |
| 09:46:07 | Tandoc | ... because i can't seem to find it |
| 09:46:20 | scorche | read about the Database feature |
| 09:46:25 | Tandoc | ty |
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| 09:46:42 | Tandoc | omghi2u |
| 09:46:56 | aliask | ... |
| 09:47:03 | scorche | my thoughts exactly |
| 09:47:05 | aliask | Heylo |
| 09:47:09 | aliask | G'day scorche |
| 09:47:17 | Tandoc | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ConvertiTunesDBtoTagCache <−− this would be it, yes? |
| 09:47:44 | scorche | Tandoc: no...that is a script for converting it on your computer and i do not know if it it up to date |
| 09:47:47 | aliask | Yeah that's the other way though |
| 09:47:50 | scorche | as i said, read the manual |
| 09:48:10 | aliask | If you wanted to do it that way you can't use the folder method, only tagcache |
| 09:48:15 | aliask | or Database as it's now called |
| 09:48:34 | Tandoc | i don't mind not using the folder method |
| 09:48:45 | Tandoc | used to browsing the ipod way |
| 09:48:47 | aliask | Well that won't work for that script |
| 09:48:56 | aliask | I'll explain on msn |
| 09:49:19 | scorche | dont worry about the script and just read the manual... |
| 09:49:32 | Tandoc | ahh he's explaining anyway |
| 09:50:12 | aliask | Was it FB2K that generated the iTunesDB? |
| 09:50:54 | scorche | something about a foo_dop plugin, but dont ask me...i dont use the nonsense ;) |
| 09:51:50 | aliask | I've never used the ipod firmware on my mini :) |
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| 10:28:53 | * | linuxstb spots someone top-posting in the thread about netiquette... |
| 10:29:36 | Tandoc | yay thx to all the devs! |
| 10:29:50 | Tandoc | and you linuxstb! |
| 10:29:59 | Tandoc | finally back to using rockbox |
| 10:31:03 | DataGhost | lol linuxstb :P |
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| 11:21:24 | DataGhost | heh |
| 11:21:31 | DataGhost | I may have fat32 reads in the iPL bootloader :P |
| 11:27:40 | linuxstb | DataGhost: No-one here either... Any progress with the kernel? |
| 11:27:57 | DataGhost | eh. no |
| 11:28:05 | DataGhost | but i think it's now reading my kernel off fat32 |
| 11:28:10 | DataGhost | with the iPL loader2 |
| 11:28:34 | DataGhost | I have waaay to much debugging output enabled by the way |
| 11:28:37 | DataGhost | it's taking ages |
| 11:28:57 | DataGhost | http://de.dataghost.com/ipl/Loader2.avi <- I got that last night |
| 11:29:09 | DataGhost | I've gone some further now, but at least it shows disk reads :) |
| 11:29:15 | DataGhost | who |
| 11:29:16 | DataGhost | a |
| 11:29:25 | DataGhost | it just displayed a screen.. but it's the progress thingy |
| 11:29:32 | DataGhost | oh it's reading negative sectors now |
| 11:30:39 | DataGhost | and at the moment, it crashes when I even *touch* the wheel |
| 11:30:52 | DataGhost | so it's still a long way :P |
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| 11:33:29 | DataGhost | now to modify the fat32 code |
| 11:33:33 | DataGhost | it's reading something allright |
| 11:33:40 | DataGhost | but it doesn't really work afterwards :P |
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| 12:13:43 | DataGhost | lol, this is so annoying |
| 12:13:50 | DataGhost | if this works I'll have fat32 reads |
| 12:13:53 | DataGhost | but now ext3 is broken :P |
| 12:15:05 | sneakums | i tried hacking up ata_read_sectors like i had talked about before, but i think i got it wrong. although the bootloader runs well enough to tell me it didn't find any partitions, and told me how to reboot the ipod. and it noticed me toggling the hold switch. |
| 12:15:42 | DataGhost | it's slow as hell... but at least it's attempting to read a kernel image off fat32 now |
| 12:15:46 | DataGhost | 80%... |
| 12:16:09 | DataGhost | load succeeded... jmp to 10000000 |
| 12:16:11 | DataGhost | and it's dead again |
| 12:16:26 | DataGhost | hey |
| 12:16:29 | DataGhost | it doesnt crash anymore |
| 12:16:36 | DataGhost | when I touch the wheel :) |
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| 12:18:03 | linuxstb | If it crashes when you jmp to 10000000, then the reads have probably been misreading the data. |
| 12:18:25 | DataGhost | yes that's what I guessed already |
| 12:18:31 | DataGhost | since it's misread everything the last time :P |
| 12:18:43 | linuxstb | You should try loading Rockbox - Rockbox has a checksum in the header, and the loader will then tell you if the checksum fails. |
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| 12:25:01 | JdGordon | linuxstb: re your q about loading 2 cue sheets, I beilive its because only the metadata for the current and next tracks are buffered |
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| 12:31:34 | DataGhost | linuxstb as I thought, I made an error in my modified ata functions |
| 12:31:48 | DataGhost | instead of reading sector 293 (test case) it read sector 292 |
| 12:40:30 | linuxstb | JdGordon: AFAIK, Rockbox buffers the metadata for up to 32 tracks - the maximum number that can be in the buffer at one time. |
| 12:40:57 | JdGordon | oh ok, im probably wrong then |
| 12:41:58 | linuxstb | Which is why everyone wants metadata-on-buffer - so we can remove the 32-track limit (to enable lots of very short tracks to be buffered) and also save memory when buffering things like cuesheets and album art. |
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| 13:11:44 | DataGhost | http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ga/2007/ga070120.gif |
| 13:11:45 | DataGhost | hahaha :P |
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| 14:22:17 | NINJ4 | is it possible to build the rockbox database on the pc? |
| 14:24:31 | barrywardell | i think tools/songdb.pl in SVN might do it |
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| 14:25:30 | NINJ4 | thanks |
| 14:25:37 | NINJ4 | now i just need to install a perl interpreter :P |
| 14:27:01 | barrywardell | you're probably better off rebuilding it on you device though |
| 14:30:01 | linuxstb | tools/database.c is a better option, but the paths are hard-coded and I can't remember exactly how it works... But it uses the regular Rockbox database and metadata parsing code so processes all formats that Rockbox supports. |
| 14:30:19 | linuxstb | I think songdb.pl only supports MP3, and maybe Vorbis. |
| 14:30:54 | NINJ4 | that's alright, just wondering why taking so long to create the first database |
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| 14:39:10 | GodEater | LinusN: should you get around to reading this log, Dataghost has confirmed your suspicion that the drive in the 80GB doesn't like being given odd numbered sectors to start reading from. Just thought you should know. |
| 14:44:02 | dewdude | ok, this is bizarre. my 5.5 ipod just started reading files all screwey..i got a codec failure on an mpc file...now whenever i load a song, it's always like, 10 seconds into the song |
| 14:44:07 | dewdude | but the counter says it's the beginning |
| 14:44:27 | dewdude | or it plays the last 15 seconds of the song before it |
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| 14:50:25 | linuxstb | amiconn: Are you around? |
| 14:50:54 | * | dewdude scratches his head |
| 14:51:06 | dewdude | reboot solved it....but i don't know about that codec failure error i got. |
| 14:51:57 | dewdude | bah...nvm. it's all working now. *mumbles about wtf it did that for and heads for work* |
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| 15:33:39 | JdGordon | Bagder: http://www.rockbox.org/docs/credits.html needs to be fixed (incase you didnt know about it) |
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| 15:42:05 | linuxstb | My methodology might be flawed, but I've done some rough ATA reading speed tests on my H140, 60GB ipod Photo and 30GB ipod Video (5g) - H140 is about 7.7Mbit/s, Photo is about 3.5Mbit/s and Video is about 5.4Mbit/s (with CPU boosted, I haven't tried without). |
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| 15:47:37 | Soap | all three dual-platter discs? or just the H140? |
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| 15:50:58 | barrywardell | any comments on FS #6554? anyone want to test it? |
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| 15:54:20 | n1s | barrywardell: Regarding your last comment on FS #6421 The only thing that's holding a commit up is for someone to give the go ahead, really. But of course testing on other targets would be nice although I think the testing that has been done should be enough. |
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| 15:55:09 | barrywardell | n1s: are there not problems with disk poweroff on player and x5? iirc amiconn mentioned something about it before |
| 15:55:47 | n1s | Yes, on some players it crashes, but it is disabled for player builds in svn anyway, and I didn't enable it |
| 15:55:53 | n1s | on x5 I dunno |
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| 15:56:47 | JdGordon | barrywardell: iirc, the h300 bootloader build doesnt create a workable bin atm, so i guess dont worry if that patch breaks it for it |
| 15:58:21 | barrywardell | JdGordon: ok, thanks for pointing that out |
| 15:58:34 | Soap | so do ipods not have ata power off? |
| 15:58:39 | n1s | no |
| 15:58:42 | barrywardell | n1s: i might be making that up about the x5 |
| 15:59:01 | barrywardell | Soap: nobody has figured out how |
| 15:59:09 | n1s | barrywardell: It is enabled for x5 so someone testing would be nice |
| 15:59:18 | JdGordon | barrywardell: I mean, the compile works, but patching the firmware doesnt, so as long as it still compiles yyou should be right |
| 15:59:23 | * | JdGordon -> bed |
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| 15:59:44 | Moos | barrywardell: always using disk power of on my X5 without problems |
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| 16:00:28 | n1s | Moos: care to test the patch? |
| 16:00:51 | Moos | sure, but no compiler here, then make me a build ;) |
| 16:00:59 | n1s | 'k |
| 16:01:39 | Moos | what does it for btw, suposed to fix something? |
| 16:02:04 | barrywardell | it just makes disk poweroff always be on and removes the option |
| 16:02:05 | n1s | nope, just removes the option an permanently enables, disk poweroff |
| 16:02:16 | n1s | darn, you beat me :-P |
| 16:03:16 | Moos | ah this patch, ok :) |
| 16:04:55 | n1s | Moos: http://home.student.uu.se/niwa5341/rockbox.zip |
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| 16:05:30 | Moos | ok, let's test it |
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| 16:08:21 | Moos | testing... |
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| 16:09:30 | Moos | all seems to working ok... |
| 16:10:05 | n1s | could you check under system options ->disk to see if the option is really gone (just to make sure) |
| 16:10:17 | Moos | yeap already checked ;) |
| 16:10:23 | n1s | ok, thanks |
| 16:10:25 | Moos | the option went out |
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| 16:28:24 | linuxstb | Soap: AFAIK, the H140 (40GB) and Photo (60GB) are dual-platter, the Video (30GB) is single-platter. |
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| 16:29:16 | Soap | I was just curious if the photo was a single platter drive - and if that was _a_ cause of the significantly lower numbers. |
| 16:29:40 | * | entheh wonders who here wanted a fixed-point version of DUMB |
| 16:30:04 | crwll | well, who wouldn't want one :) |
| 16:30:07 | Soap | is this a test I could easily reproduce on my 60GB video to see if single vs. dual makes any difference? |
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| 16:30:30 | linuxstb | Yes, I can give you a patch. |
| 16:30:52 | Soap | cool |
| 16:30:53 | linuxstb | It's a test plugin, plus a small change to the plugin API to export the ATA read/write functions (I don't do any writing though). |
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| 16:32:03 | linuxstb | http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/test_ata.diff |
| 16:32:57 | Soap | do I need to manually boost my player to reproduce your conditions? |
| 16:33:07 | linuxstb | No, the plugin boosts. |
| 16:33:23 | linuxstb | The exact timings I get on my 5g are 98 ticks (5349kbit/s) and 384 ticks (5461kbit/s), sometimes varying by 1 tick, but pretty consistent. |
| 16:34:34 | linuxstb | (a 5MB and a 20MB read) |
| 16:35:54 | Soap | any reason to believe it will matter if I compile with 32MB buffer vs 64MB buffer? |
| 16:36:01 | linuxstb | No. |
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| 16:36:13 | linuxstb | It grabs the audio buffer, which will be more than 20MB in both cases. |
| 16:36:34 | Soap | will the COP patch impact the numbers? |
| 16:37:02 | linuxstb | It shouldn't do - no other threads should be busy. |
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| 16:41:27 | Mikachu | TEST 1: Read into an aligned buffer |
| 16:41:30 | Mikachu | TEST 2: Read into an aligned buffer |
| 16:41:35 | Mikachu | that doesn't make much sense :) |
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| 16:47:33 | Brunellus_ | wow. when did the Sansa e200 port begin? |
| 16:48:12 | linuxstb | About 8 or 9 months ago I think. |
| 16:48:25 | Brunellus_ | this is what I get for not keeping up |
| 16:48:43 | Brunellus_ | how functional is support for the Sansa e200? |
| 16:48:54 | linuxstb | June 2006 to be precise, so only about 7 months. |
| 16:49:04 | n1s | How would I make this work for files with spaces in their names ? for i in *.bmp; do convert $i $i.png; done |
| 16:49:23 | Brunellus_ | n1s, in bash? |
| 16:49:24 | linuxstb | There's no audio playback, but I think all the other major features are working. |
| 16:49:31 | n1s | Brunellus_: yes |
| 16:49:37 | linuxstb | Just put $i in quotes - do convert "$i" "$i.png" |
| 16:49:40 | Brunellus_ | n1s, you'd need to treat the files as literals, |
| 16:49:40 | Mikachu | n1s: "$i" |
| 16:49:42 | Brunellus_ | yeah, in quotes |
| 16:49:46 | Mikachu | or use zsh |
| 16:49:52 | n1s | ah, thanks guys |
| 16:50:00 | Brunellus_ | foo on you and your zsh. :p |
| 16:50:05 | Brunellus_ | I'm only just learning bash.... |
| 16:50:33 | Brunellus_ | everything works but audio? h'm. |
| 16:51:08 | Brunellus_ | Here's me crossing my fingers for a successful e200 port. I've been thinking about one of those and rockbox would make it perfect for me. |
| 16:51:26 | linuxstb | Yes, but progress is being made on that front - the audio DAC embedded in the PortalPlayer chip has been identified, and progress seems to be made on persuading the company that makes it to give us some datasheets. |
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| 16:53:29 | Brunellus_ | that's great! |
| 16:53:39 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Fancy running that test_ata.c plugin on your Nano? You'll need to make sure there's a 20MB audio buffer (or change the plugin). |
| 16:53:54 | Brunellus_ | now that I've fixed the tagging on my files, I'm a big rockbox fanboy. |
| 16:54:15 | Mikachu | linuxstb: would having a smaller buffer give an undefined instruction error? |
| 16:54:29 | linuxstb | Probably - it would be overwriting the plugin... |
| 16:54:33 | Mikachu | ah |
| 16:54:35 | Mikachu | heh |
| 16:54:44 | linuxstb | How big is your plugin buffer? |
| 16:55:04 | Mikachu | around 21MB i think |
| 16:55:08 | preglow | ???? |
| 16:55:09 | linuxstb | You could use rb->plugin_get_buffer instead then. |
| 16:55:18 | preglow | why do you have a 20 meg plugin buffer? |
| 16:55:32 | Mikachu | i wanted to view jpgs while listening to music |
| 16:55:48 | preglow | big jpegs too, then |
| 16:55:53 | Mikachu | and the nano doesn't have spinup/down times anyway |
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| 16:57:10 | Mikachu | well, the output doesn't quite fit on screen, but it says 4681 and 4660 |
| 16:57:24 | linuxstb | You're just missing the kbit/s at the end. |
| 16:57:35 | linuxstb | So somewhere between the Photo and Video then. |
| 16:57:41 | * | Soap is still compiling |
| 16:58:35 | linuxstb | There seems to be a limit to the number of sectors you can pass to ata_read_sectors(), but I'm not sure if that's intentional, or a bug in ata_read_sectors(). |
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| 17:00:17 | Mikachu | at 42mhz i get 2630 |
| 17:00:59 | Soap | almost exactly as the math would predict. |
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| 17:04:22 | Mikachu | this is probably the strangest unit ever, but it's 62.41 kbit/(MHz * s) at 75 MHz and 62.62 at 42MHz :) |
| 17:04:48 | Mikachu | actually that's millibits |
| 17:05:40 | Mikachu | finally i have a real example when people say it's okay to write mb for megabytes |
| 17:05:52 | thegeek_ | haha |
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| 17:18:28 | Soap | grr. I applied the patch successfully, did my configure, did my make - and I don't have a test_ata.rock |
| 17:20:06 | Mikachu | you have to add it to SOURCES |
| 17:20:28 | Mikachu | in apps/plugins |
| 17:20:32 | * | linuxstb forgot to patch SOURCES... |
| 17:20:36 | linuxstb | s/patch/diff/ |
| 17:21:20 | Mikachu | it's kbit/s, not kB/s? |
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| 17:21:31 | linuxstb | Err... |
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| 17:21:48 | linuxstb | Yes, KB/s... |
| 17:21:58 | Mikachu | good, otherwise it would have sucked :) |
| 17:22:06 | linuxstb | It still sucks... |
| 17:22:17 | Mikachu | i get 4.4MB/s through usb too |
| 17:22:37 | linuxstb | I get around 9MB/s via USB on my video - and about 5.4MB/s in Rockbox. |
| 17:22:59 | linuxstb | (if "dd" can be believed when I write the firmware partition) |
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| 17:23:30 | Soap | Ok, I'm looking in SOURCES. and it is not apparent to me where to add it. |
| 17:23:33 | Mikachu | this was read speed, write speed is harder to measure due to cache |
| 17:23:38 | Mikachu | Soap: the first line is a good choice |
| 17:23:39 | linuxstb | Just add it at the top. |
| 17:23:56 | Soap | no need for path? |
| 17:24:30 | linuxstb | No. And you are editing apps/plugins/SOURCES ? |
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| 17:24:58 | Soap | nope, just apps - will fix. |
| 17:25:17 | Soap | last stupid question, do I need to run configure again, or just make clean and make? |
| 17:25:24 | linuxstb | Just make should work. |
| 17:25:38 | linuxstb | You should see it building test_ata |
| 17:26:59 | Soap | I will check when I'm done - I always make >& make.log so I can see what scrolls off the screen easily. |
| 17:27:25 | Mikachu | you know you can scroll terminals too right? :) |
| 17:27:49 | Soap | I'm not running the prompt through X. |
| 17:28:20 | * | linuxstb has forgotten how to do scrollback in the console |
| 17:28:23 | Mikachu | the linux terminal also scrolls |
| 17:28:25 | Mikachu | shift+pageup |
| 17:28:27 | Overand | control-apageup |
| 17:28:28 | Overand | ah |
| 17:28:31 | Overand | yeah |
| 17:28:43 | Mikachu | i think it was in 2.6.18 they added software scrollback, so it persists even if you switch vts, and longer than 2 screens, etc |
| 17:28:47 | Soap | I have read that shift+pageup should scroll bash, but it isn't for me. |
| 17:29:03 | Overand | another option is to run inside a terminal multiplexer |
| 17:29:04 | Overand | like screen |
| 17:29:13 | Soap | so I either >& or | less |
| 17:29:24 | Mikachu | 2>&1 | less |
| 17:29:34 | linuxstb | or &> |
| 17:30:09 | Mikachu | or less <(make 2>&1) |
| 17:30:17 | linuxstb | Or install X... |
| 17:30:21 | Soap | bah |
| 17:30:25 | Mikachu | :P |
| 17:30:32 | Mikachu | at any rate the build should be done now |
| 17:30:42 | Soap | my build? haha |
| 17:31:08 | linuxstb | Soap: You could have just asked me for a build... |
| 17:31:36 | linuxstb | It's been an hour now :) |
| 17:31:40 | Soap | The wait doesn't bother me - if it is impacting you I'm sorry. |
| 17:31:51 | linuxstb | No, no problem at all. |
| 17:32:04 | Mikachu | an hour? i thought it was just 5 minutes ago he fixed SOURCES |
| 17:32:07 | linuxstb | I've forgotten why I gave you the patch now... |
| 17:32:08 | * | Mikachu probably missed a joke |
| 17:32:29 | Soap | dual platter vs single platter test. |
| 17:32:30 | linuxstb | I gave Soap the patch an hour ago. |
| 17:32:42 | Mikachu | ah okay |
| 17:32:49 | * | Soap would have been done by now if linuxstb had patched SOURCEs. |
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| 17:32:56 | Soap | (big S even) |
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| 17:33:00 | * | linuxstb guilty as charged |
| 17:33:56 | Soap | If I use a different directory for every build - it defeats ccache doesn't it? |
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| 17:34:39 | linuxstb | No, I don't think so. |
| 17:35:01 | linuxstb | You mean a different source tree, or a different build directory? |
| 17:35:12 | Soap | different build directoy. |
| 17:35:27 | linuxstb | That should be OK I think. |
| 17:35:42 | Soap | because that time it only took 8 minutes instead of 40 |
| 17:35:59 | Soap | and that is the first time I have ever built in the same directory twice. |
| 17:36:01 | Mikachu | 40 minutes? are you compiling on an atari? |
| 17:36:22 | Mikachu | if any include file has changed, ccache is defeated |
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| 17:38:30 | Soap | (that one only took 8 minutes because it failed) |
| 17:40:02 | Soap | don't mind me - I |
| 17:40:07 | Soap | 'll get it |
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| 17:46:18 | Soap | oh, and Mikachu, about my "Atari" - you should have see how long it took me with cgywin. |
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| 17:50:24 | Mikachu | heh |
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| 17:51:46 | linuxstb | We're safe to talk now. |
| 17:51:53 | n1s | phew |
| 17:52:17 | Mikachu | contradictory hostname |
| 17:57:32 | mirak | hi |
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| 18:02:18 | Zer0 | hi can someone tell me if i can upload .mp4a and .mp3 and .wma music files |
| 18:02:29 | Zer0 | on my ipod 30gb photo |
| 18:02:37 | Mikachu | you don't want to know if you can play them? |
| 18:02:52 | Zer0 | well i want to know if i can play them |
| 18:02:54 | Zer0 | and hear them |
| 18:03:03 | Zer0 | .wma doesnt seem to work |
| 18:03:10 | Zer0 | so wondering which ones do work |
| 18:03:22 | Zer0 | and if theres a way to get .wma to work |
| 18:03:30 | Zer0 | using rockbox of course |
| 18:03:31 | linuxstb | Rockbox doesn't play wma or encrypted m4a. |
| 18:03:46 | Zer0 | wut files does it play |
| 18:03:48 | linuxstb | It supports mp3, and both AAC and ALAC in mp4. |
| 18:04:00 | linuxstb | Plus lots and lots more - see the SoundCodecs wiki page. |
| 18:04:06 | Zer0 | k |
| 18:04:07 | linuxstb | (the table at the bottom) |
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| 18:04:52 | Zer0 | but is there like a plugin to get .wma to work |
| 18:04:59 | n1s | no |
| 18:05:01 | PaulPosition | Zero - Nope. |
| 18:05:24 | Zer0 | ok |
| 18:05:32 | linuxstb | If there was, it would be included with Rockbox. |
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| 18:05:48 | Zer0 | that kinda suck because URGE only lets u download .wma |
| 18:05:50 | Zer0 | files |
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| 18:06:06 | Zer0 | and its too much work to burn and than extract .mp3 |
| 18:06:25 | linuxstb | If they are protected with DRM, Rockbox wouldn't play them anyway, even with a wma codec. |
| 18:06:44 | PaulPosition | Zero - Sorry.. There might be wma support some day, but never DRMed file support.. |
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| 18:09:45 | Simpson | I have a Gigabeat, and I recently added a few hundred Game Boy ROMs to a single folder, but when I tried to view it, it said that the directory buffer was full. Any chance the size of the buffer could be increased, or should I just work on splitting all the ROMs up into different folders? |
| 18:10:28 | Mikachu | there's an option |
| 18:10:58 | PaulPosition | Simpson: General Settings->Files->limits or some such setting... Push it further, defaults at 400 files. |
| 18:11:16 | Simpson | Any downside to increasing it? |
| 18:11:26 | Soap | less audio buffer |
| 18:11:33 | Soap | slightly less |
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| 18:11:53 | Simpson | Ah, ok thanks :) |
| 18:11:55 | PaulPosition | Simpson - Correction, it's General Settings->System->limits.. :) |
| 18:13:10 | Simpson | Yup, there it is, thank you. |
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| 18:16:06 | Soap | wow - the mailing list etiquette mail went over like a lead balloon |
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| 18:18:12 | Brunellus_ | netiquette? that's something that they used to have in the '90s, right? |
| 18:19:06 | foolsh | Can someone help me out... I'm compiling the e200 UI Simulator and it compiles just fine, but when I run rockboxui it runs only to splash the warning "no .rockbox direcrory" "Installation incomplete" but make install put /.rockbox in my /archos |
| 18:19:25 | foolsh | im lost |
| 18:19:54 | PaulPosition | Foolsh - After 'make' you need to 'make install' ... |
| 18:20:03 | PaulPosition | Oh.. sorry. |
| 18:20:10 | foolsh | it's ok |
| 18:20:13 | PaulPosition | Didn't read properly. Uh... |
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| 18:21:10 | DonZ | hey |
| 18:21:24 | foolsh | i'm compiling the ipod nano sim to see if its just e200 thats broke |
| 18:21:48 | DonZ | anyone here can help me with my e200 ? |
| 18:22:04 | foolsh | it depends |
| 18:22:46 | DonZ | when i start ma e200 there is a screen that says : rock box boot loader error |
| 18:23:32 | foolsh | did it ever work before? or is a new problem? |
| 18:23:54 | DonZ | rockbox error - 1 . my computer dont recognize my player ... |
| 18:26:39 | DonZ | still here ? |
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| 18:27:02 | foolsh | usb on the sansa can only detect if its plugged in for now no transfers are possible. did you install .rockbox directory and the rockbox.e200 files? |
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| 18:28:06 | DonZ | yes , but there was an screen after installing that says formatting player |
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| 18:28:38 | DonZ | i have plugged the player into my computer , but my computer dont recognize |
| 18:29:28 | foolsh | sounds like you'll have to reinstall your firmware and try again hang on i'll give you the steps |
| 18:29:41 | DonZ | k |
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| 18:32:45 | webguest04 | hello |
| 18:32:48 | barrywardell | DonZ: you didn't unzip rockbox.zip to your sansa |
| 18:33:25 | barrywardell | foolsh: the sansa sim should work fine. it did last time i tried |
| 18:33:35 | DonZ | i have , but it removed itself , dont know y |
| 18:33:58 | DonZ | how i can use my player now ? |
| 18:34:02 | barrywardell | DonZ: ok. that's weird |
| 18:34:21 | barrywardell | you'll need to put an original sansa firmware on in recovery mode |
| 18:34:40 | DonZ | how i do that ? |
| 18:35:36 | barrywardell | have you got an original mi4 file handy? |
| 18:35:41 | foolsh | @barrywardell - thanks i'll keep poking around then |
| 18:36:26 | barrywardell | DonZ: make sure it's powered off. switch hold on, hold record then plug the usb cable in |
| 18:36:39 | barrywardell | it should appear as a 16MB disk |
| 18:36:55 | DonZ | mom |
| 18:37:15 | barrywardell | no copy ONLY PP5022.mi4 over (it might be named differently if you had the new 1.3 firmware one it |
| 18:37:47 | DonZ | the player does not start |
| 18:38:02 | DonZ | ah , now |
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| 18:38:22 | DonZ | dont hav an m4i file |
| 18:38:38 | barrywardell | what firmware version did you have before? |
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| 18:39:04 | DonZ | the new |
| 18:39:36 | DonZ | there is just the version txt file on the player now |
| 18:40:02 | barrywardell | what does version.txt say? |
| 18:40:15 | Soap | linuxstb_: two hours later ;) I get 5405 and 5504 on my 60GB 5th gen. Did you know all along dual platter would make no difference? |
| 18:40:19 | barrywardell | it's a special recovery mode so won't show your files |
| 18:40:25 | DonZ | Version Info: Product Rev.: |
| 18:40:39 | barrywardell | make sure not to copy anything over to it except an mi4 file |
| 18:41:42 | DonZ | where can i get an suitable mi4 file ? |
| 18:42:21 | foolsh | foolsh.home.insightbb.com/PP5022.mi4">http://foolsh.home.insightbb.com/PP5022.mi4 |
| 18:42:56 | foolsh | it's the 1.02.12 version it's what i use to fix my mistakes |
| 18:43:23 | foolsh | maek sure your sansa is not a e200r series player |
| 18:43:28 | foolsh | *make |
| 18:43:39 | foolsh | just e200 |
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| 18:44:18 | DonZ | now theres the rockbox screen again |
| 18:44:25 | DonZ | the failure screen |
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| 18:44:47 | webguest04 | hello |
| 18:44:53 | foolsh | crap mabey the web cache hasn't cleared yet |
| 18:45:09 | | Nick Everybody is now known as Everybody|away (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) |
| 18:45:10 | webguest04 | is there anyone here he can help someone with some real nooby questions |
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| 18:45:40 | webguest05 | Just curious is an admin from flyspray online. I am not getting my activation email for my account to get in the forums. Username: DemoRic |
| 18:45:40 | DonZ | what should ill do now ? |
| 18:45:47 | Soap | probably over 100, but you won't get an answer if you don't ask your question, webguest04 |
| 18:45:51 | foolsh | @ Donz restart it in recovery mode |
| 18:45:54 | webguest04 | kk thnx |
| 18:46:07 | DonZ | i have , what now ? |
| 18:46:24 | webguest04 | i loaded rthe client and everything, i want to know how to load plugins and change themes |
| 18:46:30 | webguest04 | i have an iaudio x5 |
| 18:46:40 | Soap | what have you read of the manual so far? |
| 18:46:51 | webguest04 | most of it |
| 18:47:01 | foolsh | @ Donz hang on im uploading a zip file |
| 18:47:08 | DonZ | ah , k |
| 18:47:10 | webguest04 | basically i am asking how to change themes and plugins |
| 18:47:13 | Soap | and what part of changing themes isn't covered in the maual? |
| 18:47:16 | DonZ | thx dood |
| 18:47:27 | webguest04 | it doesn't say how to actually do it |
| 18:47:28 | foolsh | foolsh.home.insightbb.com/01.02.12a.zip">http://foolsh.home.insightbb.com/01.02.12a.zip |
| 18:47:44 | Soap | it doesn't? |
| 18:47:48 | webguest04 | nope |
| 18:48:01 | foolsh | @Donz unzip this but ONLY copy over the mi4 file |
| 18:48:08 | Febs | webguest04: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch5.html#x8-730005.7 |
| 18:48:09 | webguest04 | if it did it was wedged into alot of techno mumble jumbo, that i don't really want to read |
| 18:48:19 | webguest04 | kk |
| 18:48:25 | webguest04 | give me a sec |
| 18:48:25 | DonZ | now , lets see |
| 18:48:45 | barrywardell | DonZ: had you previously updated to the beta 1.03... firmware |
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| 18:48:54 | barrywardell | ? |
| 18:49:03 | webguest04 | my iaudio will not let me get to general settings |
| 18:49:06 | webguest04 | that is my problem |
| 18:49:15 | Febs | Sure it will. |
| 18:49:19 | Soap | do you have a broken hardware button? |
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| 18:49:31 | DonZ | i had the latest version |
| 18:49:43 | webguest04 | let me try something |
| 18:49:50 | Febs | webguest04: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-iaudiox5/rockbox-buildch5.html#x8-690005.1 |
| 18:49:52 | webguest04 | yeah i have a kinda broken button |
| 18:50:00 | webguest04 | i think i got it |
| 18:50:05 | webguest04 | thnx for helping my noobiness |
| 18:50:11 | DonZ | THANKS to both of you ! it works ! |
| 18:50:24 | foolsh | @ DonZ your welcome |
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| 18:50:56 | DonZ | *really happy* |
| 18:51:03 | foolsh | @ DonZ do you need help installing rockbox? |
| 18:51:22 | DonZ | hmmm i think yes , before i will have an deja vu |
| 18:51:39 | Febs | webguest04: your other question about plugins can be answered here: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-iaudiox5/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1080008 |
| 18:52:50 | foolsh | @DonZ hang on im uploading a OF.bin file save this some where |
| 18:53:04 | DonZ | k |
| 18:53:20 | foolsh | foolsh.home.insightbb.com/OF.bin">http://foolsh.home.insightbb.com/OF.bin |
| 18:53:22 | Febs | Note that we have very cleverly cloaked the title of that chapter in techno mumbo-jumbo by calling it "Plugins." |
| 18:53:58 | webguest04 | lol |
| 18:54:00 | webguest04 | i'm not an idiot |
| 18:54:04 | webguest04 | simply kinda high right now |
| 18:54:12 | Soap | yea, I didn't even address that question. "Themes" I can understand trouble finding with a quick glance. "Plugins" blew my mind. |
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| 18:54:49 | foolsh | @DonZ http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/PP5022.mi4 save this to your computer |
| 18:54:54 | webguest04 | well see, i know how to do the themes, i press the rec/a−−b button, but it will not change |
| 18:55:27 | DonZ | have |
| 18:55:29 | webguest04 | is there anyway i can change the skin of the menuplayer |
| 18:55:33 | foolsh | @DonZ http://download.rockbox.org/daily/sansae200/rockbox-sansae200-20070120.zip and this one |
| 18:55:37 | Soap | You will get more lovign tech support if you sober up. |
| 18:55:44 | webguest04 | no thnx |
| 18:55:45 | * | Febs was just thinking the same thing. |
| 18:55:47 | Soap | s/lovign/loving |
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| 18:56:10 | webguest04 | hey dude, smoking a wakeboarding all day is a sweet life |
| 18:56:14 | foolsh | @DonZ copy over the PP5022.mi4 file to the root directory of your player |
| 18:56:21 | webguest04 | smoking and wakeboarding |
| 18:56:21 | webguest05 | I'm having a problem with a compiled version of rockbox. I have Video ipod, built one from the CVS, and it will load, but I don't get sound. |
| 18:56:25 | DonZ | k |
| 18:56:29 | webguest04 | srry hard to type, keyboard kinda blurry |
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| 18:56:57 | webguest05 | I hear sound initialize (I hear a pop), but it seems the mp3 decoder isn't working. |
| 18:57:03 | foolsh | @Donz unzip the rockbox file and copy over the .rockbox directory and the rockbox.e200 file |
| 18:57:59 | foolsh | @DonZ copy the the OF.bin file to the /system directory of the sansa ,it may be hidden on windows im not sure |
| 18:58:06 | Soap | webguest05: and if you download one of the SVN or daily builds? |
| 18:59:06 | foolsh | @DonZ safely remove the sansa after all the files are copied over |
| 18:59:23 | DonZ | okay |
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| 18:59:34 | webguest75 | how do I install doom 2 on my ipod |
| 18:59:35 | foolsh | @Donz cross fingers and eyes |
| 18:59:58 | Febs | webguest75: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-iaudiox5/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1160008.1.5 |
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| 19:00:17 | DonZ | what is that bin file ? |
| 19:00:29 | foolsh | original firmware for dual boot |
| 19:01:03 | foolsh | hold |<< while powering up to start the OF.bin |
| 19:01:25 | foolsh | so you can connect your computer to your sansa and transfer files |
| 19:01:26 | webguest05 | The daily build from 1-16 works, but the SVN from 1-19 and 1-20 don't decode audio. |
| 19:01:36 | webguest75 | febs: where do I put doom2.wad |
| 19:01:57 | DonZ | hm rockbox startet but nothing is working |
| 19:02:20 | webguest75 | where do i put doom2.wad |
| 19:02:21 | Febs | Webguest75: Read the sentence follow the words "getting started." |
| 19:02:22 | DonZ | when i want to play sumthin there are pink "dont know what"s |
| 19:03:12 | webguest75 | yah but do i need doom1? |
| 19:03:24 | foolsh | @ DonZ sound doesn't work yet but you can play gameboy games and doom http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m0lIm8dSTc |
| 19:03:26 | webguest75 | do i replace doom1.wad with doom2.wad? |
| 19:03:57 | DonZ | ah , okay ^^ thank u ! have u got icq or msn ? |
| 19:04:02 | webguest75 | ?? |
| 19:04:07 | webguest75 | Do I replace doom1.wad with doom2.wad? |
| 19:04:39 | webguest75 | ??? |
| 19:04:43 | DonZ | there is a screen , when i want to start a game "missing base.wad" |
| 19:04:59 | foolsh | @DonZ neither if you want to contact me foolsh_at_insightbb.com or here |
| 19:05:15 | DonZ | okay |
| 19:05:33 | Febs | "For the game to run you need .wad game files located in /.rockbox/doom/ on your player." |
| 19:05:45 | Febs | "Copy all Doom wads you wish to play into that directory." |
| 19:05:52 | webguest75 | ok |
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| 19:07:10 | foolsh | @DonZ BTW power off doesn't off to well either you'll have to hold the power button down for 15 seconds to switch off |
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| 19:08:46 | DonZ | i recognized ;) , but tell me , how i can play doom ? the player tells me that a basic wad is missing |
| 19:09:36 | webguest75 | Download it |
| 19:10:11 | DonZ | btw i love the player , just the front side is fastly full of fingerprints ... |
| 19:10:30 | foolsh | that is being discused right here right now with febs and webguest75 |
| 19:11:23 | foolsh | @DonZ http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1100008.1.5 |
| 19:12:23 | DonZ | thats all for now , thanks a lot , see ya |
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| 19:12:30 | webguest75 | My thing says when I load an addon This wad does not follow doomg raphic standarrds |
| 19:12:44 | Soap | then that wad won't work. |
| 19:12:49 | Soap | Not all .wad files are kosher |
| 19:13:10 | webguest75 | ?? |
| 19:13:58 | foolsh | @DonZ http://thesansa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=771 |
| 19:13:58 | Febs | ?? |
| 19:14:11 | foolsh | opps to late |
| 19:14:31 | Soap | That WAD is non-standard. That WAD will not work. Not all .WAD files were created to the original standard. Some .WAD files use hacks not supported by the version of Doom ported to Rockbox. Those .WAD files are not kosher. |
| 19:14:57 | webguest75 | okay I have the shareware doom. and I have a file called halflife with 4 files in it doom2.wad .doomrc and idoom |
| 19:15:07 | webguest75 | and registerkey |
| 19:15:16 | webguest75 | keys* |
| 19:15:32 | Soap | ok? If it doesn't work it doesn't work. |
| 19:15:52 | webguest75 | do i need doom2 |
| 19:15:53 | Soap | There is no magic spell I have to make a non-standard .wad file work. |
| 19:16:10 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:16:53 | webguest75 | where do i get a standard?? |
| 19:17:02 | Febs | "The needed files can be found at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom" |
| 19:17:22 | Febs | EVERY single question you are asking is clearly answered on the page of the manual that we've already pointed you to. |
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| 19:20:18 | jtalusik | i want to put rockbox on my iriver H340, can i use subscription music on it? i think its WMA formay |
| 19:20:28 | Febs | No. |
| 19:20:32 | webguest75 | It says I can use deutex How do i do that to change the graphixs? |
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| 19:21:04 | jtalusik | i would love to use rockbox but all my music is WMA |
| 19:21:46 | Febs | webguest75: did you read the deutex link? |
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| 19:22:00 | webguest75 | ya |
| 19:23:22 | webguest75 | u noe what? |
| 19:23:22 | webguest75 | Fuck you |
| 19:23:27 | webguest75 | Fuck you to hell |
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| 19:23:55 | foolsh | you know what? |
| 19:24:02 | Soap | he's gone foolsh |
| 19:24:03 | foolsh | lol |
| 19:24:43 | Soap | feeding the trolls is never a good idea regardless. |
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| 19:25:05 | Febs | I don't think he was a troll. I think that he was just lazy. |
| 19:25:13 | foolsh | or stupid |
| 19:25:21 | foolsh | maybe both |
| 19:25:33 | Soap | I was refering to talking back after that outburst - not anything said before |
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| 19:26:20 | stead | hello |
| 19:27:28 | foolsh | I'm trying the rockbox trunk instead of the rockbox-devel trunk to see if the simulator will run correctly for me if not I think I'm truly at a loss |
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| 19:29:56 | stead | i have developed a tool to upload .scrobbler.log files.. could someone with acces please add me to wiki edit list, or pop the url on there? |
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| 19:30:22 | foolsh | make install |
| 19:30:27 | foolsh | opps |
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| 19:32:32 | foolsh | no it still gives me the "no .rockbox directory" I'm out time for bed thanks anyway |
| 19:33:04 | Febs | stead, what is your wiki name? |
| 19:33:19 | Demoric | Finally able to login (it's been ages since I've used IRC) I have a problem with a build I made from todays SVN. It won't play mp3 audio. However it initializes the sound ship as I hear a pop. |
| 19:34:04 | Soap | what target Demoric? |
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| 19:35:32 | Demoric | @lubiix908 30Gb ipod video (Gen 5) |
| 19:36:19 | Soap | What patches are you using? I created a stock video build an hour ago and had no problems. |
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| 19:37:16 | Demoric | I have builds that others have made from 1-16 that work, but I'm wanting to start building my own. (and apply patches later). |
| 19:37:50 | Soap | You said "a build I made from today's SVN"... |
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| 19:38:13 | Soap | so I'm confused now. |
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| 19:39:47 | Febs | Soap, ironically, I just experienced the false "very low battery" issue for the first time in a while.. |
| 19:39:48 | Demoric | @Soap, yes I downloaded from the SVN today and created a build today. I was just trying to say that I have used some rockbox.ipod files that other people have made that work. |
| 19:40:41 | Soap | Demoric: did you download a rockbox.org made build, or did you download source and compile yourself? I'm still confused. |
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| 19:41:26 | Demoric | @Soap I d/l the source and I'm having problems with the compile I created. |
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| 19:41:43 | Soap | did it _appear_ to compile clean? |
| 19:42:58 | Demoric | Everything seemed okay, I made a buildlog.txt http://jaydium.servehttp.com/buildlog.txt |
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| 19:48:14 | Demoric | @Soap, the ipod boots into rockbox just fine, everything works (except audio). It even shows the wps acting like it's playing. Just no audio. It's a clean build from the svn no patches applied. |
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| 19:50:47 | FireW0lf | heys |
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| 19:51:31 | Demoric | hi HireW0lf |
| 19:51:38 | FireW0lf | can rockbox play videos on an ipod video? some plugin perhaps? |
| 19:52:05 | Demoric | not yet you still have to boot into the ipod's original firmware |
| 19:52:12 | Llorean | Demoric: This is untrue. |
| 19:52:25 | Llorean | The mpegplayer can play some video files, though right now only small ones. |
| 19:52:33 | FireW0lf | k - how do i boot into orig ipod fw tho? |
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| 19:52:48 | Demoric | Really? I didn't know about the mpegplayer. |
| 19:53:52 | Demoric | @FireW0lf Hold down the play button until your rockbox shuts down, Press Menu+Select, and then hold Menu while your ipod is booting up. |
| 19:53:58 | Llorean | Yup. It works somewhat well if you've got the kernel_on_cop patch, or on the coldfire targets, though it still needs a awful lot of work to be considered 'good' |
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| 19:54:44 | FireW0lf | ah - handy - thx |
| 19:55:01 | FireW0lf | so - is gcc installed on rockbox, so i could perhaps compile vlc for it? |
| 19:55:11 | Llorean | Rockbox isn't linux. |
| 19:55:21 | FireW0lf | its not? |
| 19:55:21 | FireW0lf | hmm |
| 19:55:27 | Llorean | Nope |
| 19:55:37 | BHSPitMonkey | does jdgordon still make appearances here? |
| 19:55:41 | Llorean | It's a from scratch firmware, not based on Linux. |
| 19:55:50 | Llorean | BHSPitMonkey: Occasionally, yeah. |
| 19:56:46 | Demoric | I'm having a devil of a time just getting my compile to play audio from todays svn. This is the first time I've compiled rockbox myself. I really don't know what's wrong with the compile, everything else seems to work just no audio output. |
| 19:57:01 | Llorean | Demoric: Are you using any patches? |
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| 19:57:27 | Demoric | Llorean: no patches, I'm starting simple then I'll apply patches. |
| 19:57:48 | Llorean | What happens when you try to play music? |
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| 19:58:15 | Mikachu | Demoric: are you running make zip and unzipping on the device, or just copying the rockbox.xxx file? |
| 19:58:30 | Llorean | Mikachu: That was my next question, if he said "Codec error" or something similar. :-P |
| 19:58:49 | Mikachu | i'm impatient :) |
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| 19:59:15 | Demoric | It shows the wps and acts like it's decoding/playing, it's just there's no sound. I know the sound is initialized when rockbox starts on boot-up (I hear a pop), but that's all I'll hear. |
| 19:59:39 | Demoric | It properly parses the file for ID3, so I"m at a loss. |
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| 20:00:26 | Mikachu | is the volume turned up? |
| 20:00:51 | FireW0lf | so is anyone working on an avi player for rockbox, do you know? |
| 20:01:39 | Llorean | FireW0lf: Just mpegplayer. |
| 20:01:40 | Demoric | LOL, Yes, the volume is turned up.. If I try a compiled version that someone ELSE made on 1-16 it plays just fine. |
| 20:02:06 | stead | Febs: my name is PaulStead, but I've not got the email through yet... |
| 20:02:08 | stead | :\ |
| 20:02:17 | stead | *reg email that is |
| 20:02:18 | Llorean | Demoric: And you're using all the official instructions regarding which GCC version to use etc? |
| 20:03:08 | Demoric | I followed the instructions at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling#Introduction and I'm using Cygwin. |
| 20:03:36 | Llorean | Demoric: And as mikachu asked, you're doing 'Make zip' right? |
| 20:03:47 | stead | ahh it was in the spam box :) |
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| 20:05:10 | Demoric | Make zip, creates a file called rockbox.zip in my build folder, and it APPEARS to have everything in the zip file that is required. |
| 20:05:55 | Febs | stead: I've added you to the TwikiUsersGroup so you should be able to edit now. |
| 20:07:12 | stead | thank you :) |
| 20:07:34 | Demoric | @Llorean *sorry didn't scroll back. Yes I'm unzipping the contents to my ipod. |
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| 20:13:05 | Demoric | I ran svn update, and I'm making another build. Maybe this one will work. |
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| 20:17:09 | Soap | when you do the configure - what version of arm-elf-gcc are you told it is using? |
| 20:17:33 | Demoric | 4.0.2 |
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| 20:20:29 | Demoric | Okay, I have a buildlog, and a new rockbox.zip file that I'll extract to my iPod Video and see if it works. |
| 20:20:52 | Soap | 4.0.3 is the recomended version...I don't know if that is your problem or now. I was using an even older still version (3.3.6) without problems. |
| 20:21:02 | Soap | s/now/not |
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| 20:24:14 | Demoric | The arm-elf-gcc only shows 4.0.2-1 as the most recent version in Cygwin Setup. |
| 20:24:25 | Demoric | *testing ipod now |
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| 20:26:49 | Demoric | Still no sound |
| 20:28:50 | Llorean | Soap: I use 4.0.2 without problem, it's the version our daily build server uses and what we distribute with VMWare as well |
| 20:29:38 | Llorean | Demoric: When you "svn update" you don't get any merges? |
| 20:29:47 | Llorean | "svn diff" doesn't show anything? |
| 20:30:03 | Soap | good to know Llorean. |
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| 20:31:24 | Demoric | Running svn diff now, (waiting on programs response) |
| 20:31:51 | Demoric | It completed, didn't show anthing. |
| 20:33:15 | Llorean | Demoric: Okay, I really don't know what's happening |
| 20:33:30 | Llorean | Demoric: Have you tried deleting the .rockbox folder before you install the new version, and then clearing settings on the first boot with it? |
| 20:33:41 | Demoric | LOL, well that makes 2 of us. I was at a loss. |
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| 20:34:31 | Demoric | I was actually deleting .rockbox as you posted that. How do you clear the settings on first boot? |
| 20:35:00 | Llorean | What player? |
| 20:35:15 | Soap | with the new bootloader (white text on black background) you toggle the hold switch to the on (red) position as soon as you see "Loading Rockbox" |
| 20:35:49 | Soap | you should see the message "Cleared" appear in the middle of the logo screen during boot after you do that. |
| 20:35:57 | Demoric | Oh, okay I'll give that a shot. |
| 20:38:32 | Demoric | Soap: Much thanks that WORKED! Now all I have to do is start playing with patches. =) |
| 20:39:01 | Soap | Llorean suggested the magic bullet, not I. |
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| 20:39:25 | Soap | thank him - he gets more hate mail than George Bush. Show him some love. |
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| 20:40:15 | Llorean | I haven't got George Bush beat yet. |
| 20:40:22 | Llorean | But I'm workin' on it. |
| 20:41:16 | Soap | cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@rockbox.haxx.se:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox-devel |
| 20:41:22 | Soap | was the equivelent to |
| 20:41:32 | Soap | cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@rockbox.haxx.se:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox-devel |
| 20:41:36 | Soap | correct? |
| 20:41:46 | Soap | whoa - I ment to say |
| 20:41:52 | Soap | svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox |
| 20:42:34 | Soap | If I didn't confuse the bejesus out of everyone - what I am asking is if that svn command is the equivelent of that cvs command. |
| 20:42:44 | Llorean | Well, that and the one before it. |
| 20:42:44 | | Nick Everybody|away is now known as Everybody (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) |
| 20:42:56 | Soap | Llorean = hatemail+1 |
| 20:43:20 | Llorean | The SVN command in the topic checks out the whole rockbox archive (manual, bootloader, and firmware) and puts it in a folder named "rockbox" |
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| 20:43:25 | Llorean | /trunk is everything |
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| 20:43:38 | Demoric | Thanks to both of you actually (but Llorean espically) |
| 20:43:54 | Llorean | Soap: Speaking of hatemail, this month is in a position to potentially be a record month for forum signups. |
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| 20:44:19 | Soap | I dig that, I just wanted to make sure I was replacing the "getcvs" alias in the colinux image with the correct svn equivelent. |
| 20:45:35 | Llorean | That should do it, yet. |
| 20:45:54 | ender` | alias cvsu='if [ -d CVS ]; then echo -e '\''\033[1mCVS\033[0m'\''; cvs -z3 up -dP; elif [ -d .svn ]; then echo -e '\''\033[1mSVN\033[0m'\''; svn up; else echo -e '\''\033[1;31mNo CVS or .svn directory present\033[0m'\''; fi' |
| 20:47:01 | Llorean | ender`: There should never be a CVS directory present though. |
| 20:47:16 | Llorean | The CVS repository should not be used. Period. No matter what. |
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| 20:47:47 | Demoric | Hey speaking of forums signups, I can't access the forum. It says I need to be authorized, but I don't get the emails to activate my account. (although I can access and post the patches area) |
| 20:47:51 | ender` | i'm using that alias to update both stuff from CVS and SVN - without me having to remember what that certain project uses |
| 20:48:10 | ender` | (yes, i'm lazy) |
| 20:48:23 | Llorean | Demoric: The "patches" area isn't the forum... |
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| 20:48:53 | Llorean | Demoric: But if you tell me the account name you signed up for in the forums, I can go ahead 'n manually authorize it, but be aware that if you don't change the email address you'll never get any sort of email notifications on PMs or anything. |
| 20:49:09 | Demoric | Yes, but I'm activated to access patches, but not the forums. (sorry I have a hard time conveying ideas to text) |
| 20:49:16 | | Join funky_ [0] (n=repulse@81-202-211-251.user.ono.com) |
| 20:49:28 | Llorean | Demoric: They're two entirely different things. You have to sign up for the Forums and for the Patch Tracker separately. |
| 20:49:58 | linuxstb_ | and don't forget a third sign-up for the wiki if you want to edit it... |
| 20:51:25 | Demoric | I have signed up on the forums, but I don't recieve the email from it to activate my account. It's not in my main box, or junk box. |
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| 20:53:39 | Llorean | Demoric: As I said, tell me the account name and I can activate it, but you won't receive any emails from the forum at that address (you'll have to change to one that it likes, though I still haven't traced what it does or does not like) |
| 20:55:04 | Demoric | account name is Demoric, email address is either admin AT jaydium.servehttp.com or themeadowsfamily AT sbcglobal.net |
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| 20:56:37 | Llorean | Demoric: Account is now active. |
| 20:57:11 | | Join barrywardell [0] (n=barrywar@194.46.160.175) |
| 20:57:42 | Demoric | Thank you, for having paitence, and for your help. |
| 20:57:58 | Llorean | I'm a grumpy, irritable guy, but I do help out from time to time. |
| 20:58:38 | DataGhost | :) |
| 20:59:02 | DataGhost | hm |
| 20:59:13 | DataGhost | let's see if my modified bootloader can boot rockbox too :) |
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| 20:59:48 | Mikachu | Llorean: it's no use pretending, you're always helpful |
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| 21:00:02 | Buffliberty | hi ppl |
| 21:00:13 | | Join capsaicin [0] (i=selenius@c-75-73-49-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 21:00:50 | Buffliberty | Lo ? |
| 21:00:54 | Buffliberty | some1 here , |
| 21:00:55 | Buffliberty | ? |
| 21:01:10 | Llorean | Yes |
| 21:01:27 | Buffliberty | :) |
| 21:01:31 | Llorean | But all you said was "hi ppl" and since this is a support and development channel, we were expecting you to maybe... welll... ask a question. |
| 21:01:45 | Buffliberty | :) |
| 21:01:48 | Buffliberty | oki |
| 21:01:51 | linuxstb_ | But please spell out your words. |
| 21:01:52 | Buffliberty | i need support :o |
| 21:02:06 | DataGhost | orly? |
| 21:02:15 | Buffliberty | about rockbox error -4 |
| 21:02:16 | Llorean | Don't make me come over there DataGhost |
| 21:02:19 | DataGhost | hehe :P |
| 21:02:58 | Buffliberty | I installed it on my sansa E250 and when i try launch original firmware |
| 21:03:02 | linuxstb_ | Buffliberty: Did you safely disconnect your player after installing Rockbox? That means the rockbox.whatever file is corrupt. |
| 21:03:37 | Buffliberty | let me end explain ;) i had no problem with rockbox system ;) |
| 21:03:42 | Llorean | Buffliberty: The Sansa isn't supported yet. You shouldn't have been trying Rockbox on it if you're not a developer. |
| 21:03:53 | linuxstb_ | So what was the -4 error about? |
| 21:04:11 | Buffliberty | it's when i tryed launch Original Firmware |
| 21:04:15 | Llorean | linuxstb_: It sounds like the origianl PP5022.mi4 file. I assume you can get a -4 on original FW too? |
| 21:04:39 | Llorean | Well, if I could spell original. |
| 21:05:15 | linuxstb_ | Yes, for the same reason - the read() command can't read the file. |
| 21:05:40 | Buffliberty | so what can i do ? |
| 21:06:17 | linuxstb_ | Try copying your backup to your Sansa again. Run scandisk. |
| 21:06:59 | Buffliberty | the prob it's i cant copy to sansa ... because i cant see it on window (i cant launch Sansa firmware) |
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| 21:07:27 | barrywardell | you have to put the original sansa firmware back on in recovery mode |
| 21:07:29 | Websuraj | hi |
| 21:07:33 | Websuraj | all |
| 21:07:47 | Buffliberty | can you explain me how to enter in this mode ? |
| 21:07:48 | Websuraj | Can anbody help me out with this. I cant find mpegplayer in rockbox in my IPOD nano |
| 21:08:14 | Buffliberty | barrywardell i query you |
| 21:08:33 | Buffliberty | arg register protection -_- |
| 21:08:35 | linuxstb_ | Websuraj: Have you read the PluginMpegplayer wiki page? |
| 21:08:41 | Websuraj | yea |
| 21:08:51 | barrywardell | turn it of, switch hold on, hold record, then plug in usb |
| 21:08:51 | Websuraj | but still i cant do open with.. and locate the mpegplayer |
| 21:09:02 | barrywardell | it will start in recovery mode |
| 21:09:10 | Buffliberty | kiss barrywardell (k) luv you :) |
| 21:09:14 | barrywardell | then copy over a PP5022.mi4 file |
| 21:09:23 | barrywardell | make sure not to copy over any other files though |
| 21:09:35 | Buffliberty | yeah sure thx :) |
| 21:09:36 | Websuraj | barrywardell was taht for me !! |
| 21:09:44 | Websuraj | ow sorry |
| 21:09:52 | barrywardell | Websuraj: no, for Buffliberty |
| 21:10:09 | linuxstb_ | Websuraj: Do your files have the .mpg extension? |
| 21:10:23 | Websuraj | yea it does |
| 21:10:36 | linuxstb_ | Does it have a "movie" icon next to it? |
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| 21:11:00 | Websuraj | well In windows it does |
| 21:11:17 | linuxstb_ | In the Rockbox file browser? |
| 21:11:52 | Websuraj | well I am not exactly sure What movie icon looks like |
| 21:12:14 | linuxstb_ | Does it have any icon? |
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| 21:12:22 | Websuraj | wait lemme check 1 min |
| 21:12:33 | Websuraj | I was just reuploadin everything |
| 21:12:59 | SushiP | Anyone know of a good program to transfer music from my ipod to my comp? I want to back it up before I install rockbox. |
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| 21:13:48 | Websuraj | yea |
| 21:13:51 | Websuraj | sushi |
| 21:13:53 | Websuraj | i knew one |
| 21:13:56 | DataGhost | SushiP with foobar2000 (windows) and the foo_dop plugin, you can copy the files over with the masstagger |
| 21:14:13 | DataGhost | so you can have them in folders like \path\somewhere\artist\album\title.ext |
| 21:14:13 | DataGhost | :) |
| 21:14:24 | SushiP | Will all info on the songs stay intact? |
| 21:14:24 | SushiP | Lyrics, album art, etc etc |
| 21:14:38 | DataGhost | eh. as long as that's in the ID3 (or whatever tags), yes |
| 21:14:50 | DataGhost | I'm not sure about custom things in the database |
| 21:15:11 | DataGhost | I never alter my music files in iTunes, I make sure they are properly tagged before I use them |
| 21:15:33 | SushiP | The problem is, I had my hard drive formatted and I couldn't preserve any music. |
| 21:15:36 | SushiP | So it's on my ipod only. |
| 21:16:05 | Mikachu | installing rockbox won't clear anything from your ipod |
| 21:16:11 | Buffliberty | tanks guys for your time now it's working well :) |
| 21:16:12 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:17:09 | SushiP | It won't? |
| 21:18:18 | Llorean | Not if you follow the official instructions |
| 21:18:29 | linuxstb | The idiot-proof instructions... |
| 21:18:38 | Llorean | Unless you have a Mac-iPod, the HFS+ ones |
| 21:19:18 | Websuraj | well guyz |
| 21:19:25 | Websuraj | its got a music logo in there |
| 21:19:46 | linuxstb | Then it's not a .mpg file. |
| 21:20:31 | Websuraj | ok wait than |
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| 21:20:42 | Websuraj | lemme check in ipod itself |
| 21:20:56 | linuxstb | Where were you before? |
| 21:21:19 | Websuraj | I mean via pc |
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| 21:24:48 | Websuraj | tx yo |
| 21:24:52 | Websuraj | i found out the :d problume |
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| 21:29:52 | SushiP | Wow...these instructions really are idiot-proof. |
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| 21:31:01 | BiptoN | linuxstb_: does the bootloader wake the cop or keep it asleep when booting with a cop build? |
| 21:32:08 | Buffliberty | oki all got backup now :) and followed instruction for install roxkbox :o now when i try launch roxkbox, i get error -1 (i disconnected from computer the usb , so no corrupted files) |
| 21:32:11 | linuxstb_ | I think it sleeps it. |
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| 21:32:58 | Febs | Buffliberty: if you get that error, you didn't follow all of the instructions. |
| 21:33:12 | Buffliberty | i explain wot i did oki ? |
| 21:33:23 | BiptoN | my 4g has been very stable with the cop build and frequency changes i have made so far |
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| 21:33:28 | Febs | You need to install a Rockbox build. |
| 21:33:41 | Llorean | Buffliberty: Please try to use real words like "what" |
| 21:33:52 | Buffliberty | sorry |
| 21:33:53 | BiptoN | except the bootloader always loops around 3-4 times before fully loading rockbox still w/ scaling enabled |
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| 21:34:07 | Llorean | Buffliberty: As well, as febs said, you didn't actually follow all the directions. You've only installed the bootloader, not the build. |
| 21:34:21 | Buffliberty | ok |
| 21:34:22 | stevenm | Hello. Where is the script that downloads and builds an M68k-targeted GCC for iriver ? |
| 21:34:38 | Buffliberty | so i'm just missing the build |
| 21:34:39 | SushiP | What's the key combination to reboot my ipod? |
| 21:34:39 | SushiP | Menu+center? |
| 21:34:44 | Llorean | SushiP: Yes |
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| 21:34:50 | SushiP | Okay. |
| 21:34:51 | Llorean | stevenm: It's the shell script in /tools |
| 21:35:02 | SushiP | Yay, rockbox is loaded. |
| 21:35:21 | stevenm | Llorean, thanks! |
| 21:35:40 | Llorean | rockboxdev.sh? |
| 21:35:42 | Buffliberty | i got the build where to put it into sansa ? |
| 21:35:44 | Llorean | I think that's the name. |
| 21:35:52 | Febs | Extract it to the root. |
| 21:36:04 | Buffliberty | Febs: ok thanks |
| 21:36:20 | stevenm | Llorean, aah yes, thanks. I used to have an older GCC for this, then that broke.. i remember building a new one but cant for the life of me find where it got installed |
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| 21:36:34 | barrywardell | Buffliberty: hlj |
| 21:36:35 | SushiP | How do I get to my music on rockbox? :X |
| 21:36:38 | barrywardell | sorry |
| 21:36:44 | Buffliberty | :) |
| 21:36:45 | Febs | Buffliberty: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-100002.2.2 |
| 21:36:56 | Buffliberty | yeah thanks i already got it :) |
| 21:36:59 | barrywardell | Buffliberty: you'll need to put the original firmware back on to use usb mode properly |
| 21:37:00 | Febs | SushiP: just drag and drop. |
| 21:37:02 | Buffliberty | i'm restarting sansa :p |
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| 21:37:33 | SushiP | I mean how do I access it on my ipod? |
| 21:37:36 | Llorean | SushiP: There are several ways. The short answer is simply "Copy it to the device, and then play it." If you used iTunes to copy it, the easiest solution it to use the Database feature, you can read about it in the manual. |
| 21:37:42 | Buffliberty | i read a stupid french guide ;) and he didn't talk about the build ;) now it's ok :D |
| 21:38:15 | SushiP | And why isn't menu going up a level in the directory? |
| 21:38:26 | Febs | Because this is Rockbox. |
| 21:38:37 | SushiP | Then how do I? |
| 21:38:38 | Febs | Menu goes to the menu. |
| 21:38:46 | Llorean | SushiP: Left. Please, read the manual. |
| 21:38:49 | Febs | You really should take a look at the manual. |
| 21:39:02 | SushiP | Okay. |
| 21:39:06 | Febs | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-290004 |
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| 21:42:56 | stevenm | Ok, build.. appears to be a bug in SVN. In MIDI code or possibly elsewhere. After a plugin is finished with the DSP, is it the plugin's responsibility to set the sampling rate back to 44100, or will rockbox do that on its own? |
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| 21:48:49 | markun | is it a bug that "insert" does a "insert last" when creating a new playlist? |
| 21:49:19 | Mikachu | insert continues inserting after the last song you inserted |
| 21:49:39 | Mikachu | if you want to insert after the current song, use insert next |
| 21:51:27 | markun | Mikachu: then it's a bug |
| 21:51:38 | Llorean | markun: Why? |
| 21:51:44 | Llorean | How did you create the playlist? |
| 21:51:49 | Mikachu | you can think of "insert" as "smart insert" |
| 21:52:05 | Mikachu | if you start with an empty playlist and insert three things, they will be in the order 1 2 3 |
| 21:53:01 | markun | 21:39 < markun> I'll give you an example. Imagine 3 albums A, B and C which each 3 tracks |
| 21:53:04 | markun | 21:39 < markun> nothing is playing and you insert album A, the playlist looks: A1,A2,A3 |
| 21:53:08 | markun | 21:40 < markun> now you insert album B: A1,B1,B2,B3,A2,A3 |
| 21:53:11 | markun | 21:40 < markun> now you insert album C: A1,B1,B2,B3,C1,C2,C3,A2,A3 |
| 21:53:30 | markun | 21:40 < markun> and I think it should have been A1,A2,A3,B1,B2,B3,C1,C2,C3 |
| 21:53:43 | Llorean | markun: I thought you said it does "Insert Last" |
| 21:54:00 | markun | I think it's line 378 in apps/onplay.c |
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| 21:55:15 | Mikachu | ah, now i see what you mean |
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| 21:55:28 | Mikachu | does it work if you change it to PLAYLIST_INSERT? |
| 21:56:26 | Mikachu | hm |
| 21:56:42 | Mikachu | even if you do an insert_last, insert after that should insert after the last of the tracks previously inserted |
| 21:59:46 | markun | well, that's not how insert last currently works |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:04 | Mikachu | i think any insert action should update the point where "insert" inserts |
| 22:00:05 | Mikachu | :) |
| 22:01:09 | toffe | markun : I have a problem, I have a lot of title, artist name in french ands english, I am using rockbox in english and the dispkay is not good |
| 22:01:28 | toffe | all the special carater from spanish and feench doesn't display |
| 22:01:44 | toffe | ^^french |
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| 22:03:20 | markun | toffe: which encoding are the tags in? |
| 22:05:38 | Buffliberty | mmh nice many stuff in rockbox :) |
| 22:05:49 | Buffliberty | but cant shut it down |
| 22:06:21 | Mikachu | hold play, if it's an ipod |
| 22:06:43 | Buffliberty | sansa |
| 22:06:46 | Mikachu | then i dunno |
| 22:06:49 | Buffliberty | :] |
| 22:06:54 | Buffliberty | i got Ipod too ;) |
| 22:07:05 | Mikachu | but i'm sure it's in the manual |
| 22:07:50 | barrywardell | hold power for 15 seconds |
| 22:08:20 | Buffliberty | gratz |
| 22:08:58 | midgey | barrywardell: have you looked at the newest bug reports? both are related to the h10 |
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| 22:09:36 | barrywardell | midgey: i created the most recent one ;) |
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| 22:10:27 | barrywardell | i assume you're also referring to the battery one? |
| 22:10:49 | midgey | yep, they both have to do with battery |
| 22:11:16 | midgey | #6544 looks like a strange one |
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| 22:13:28 | barrywardell | i think 6544 might be a bug in the iriver bootloader |
| 22:13:48 | midgey | our bootloader or their's ? |
| 22:13:56 | barrywardell | on occasion, it will crash with the backlight off (but you can still vaguely see the text on screen) |
| 22:14:08 | barrywardell | theirs - it's the first thing loaded on power on |
| 22:14:17 | barrywardell | there's not much we can do about it |
| 22:14:32 | barrywardell | if that's the problem |
| 22:14:45 | midgey | replace it entirely ;) |
| 22:15:11 | barrywardell | maybe eventually... |
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| 22:21:23 | markun | Mikachu: strange, that didn't fix it |
| 22:22:31 | stevenm | Hi |
| 22:22:38 | stevenm | Is there a way to charge an iriver device from USB? |
| 22:23:06 | stevenm | Ie, rockbox bootloader is on the device. USB is plugged in. Is it possible to just have a charging screen instead of like 'Bootloader USB mode' |
| 22:23:23 | stevenm | or from within the rockbox environment, turn off LCD and HDD and just let it charge from USB? |
| 22:24:04 | Mouser_X | I registered on the flyspray, but it looks like I didn't get the confirmation email. |
| 22:24:23 | Mouser_X | I registered over 5 hours ago. |
| 22:24:51 | markun | stevenm: depedns on which iriver you have.. |
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| 22:25:29 | jba | hi guys, can't talk for long |
| 22:25:46 | jba | just thought I would let you guys know |
| 22:26:12 | stevenm | markun, 340 |
| 22:26:43 | jba | gigabeat bubbles has sprite corruption on the bubbles |
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| 22:26:56 | markun | stevenm: there should be a button you can hold while you insert the cable |
| 22:27:08 | markun | maybe it's in the manual which one it is |
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| 22:28:05 | Bagder | there's a slight case of out of disk on the web server |
| 22:29:04 | midgey | Bagder: can you enable propeditting on the svn trunk? i tried changing a commit message and i got: |
| 22:29:06 | midgey | svn: Repository has not been enabled to accept revision propchanges; |
| 22:29:06 | midgey | ask the administrator to create a pre-revprop-change hook |
| 22:29:37 | Bagder | we should fix that, yes |
| 22:29:51 | midgey | k, just making sure you were aware |
| 22:29:56 | stevenm | markun, aah, rec + insert usb. thx |
| 22:30:14 | Llorean | Bagder: What's the difference between a "slight" and "severe" case of out of disk? |
| 22:30:18 | midgey | also the irc page still says CVS builds |
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| 22:30:39 | Bagder | Llorean: the "slight" means it is on just one partition and that we can cleanup a lot to fix it |
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| 22:31:07 | Llorean | Gotcha |
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| 22:33:36 | perldiver | random question, why the size for the album art bitmap was chosen at 100x100 ? |
| 22:33:56 | Llorean | perldiver: Ask the creator of the patch. |
| 22:34:00 | Llorean | Remember, Album Art isn't a feature. |
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| 22:39:05 | cinic | Hello can I have of the assistance? |
| 22:39:20 | jba | it's meant to be bad to allow commit message propedits though |
| 22:40:22 | jba | anyhow, anyone else tried to play bubbles on the gigabeat since that recent scale correction? |
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| 22:40:48 | Mikachu | Bagder: is download.rockbox.org meant to have autoindexing on? |
| 22:40:57 | cinic | I would like to install the MPEG-PLAYER on my ipod |
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| 22:41:37 | Zagor | Mikachu: yes. found something bad? |
| 22:41:47 | Mikachu | no just wondering |
| 22:41:53 | Mikachu | usually download servers don't |
| 22:42:11 | Zagor | otherwise we'd have to create indices ourselves. and we're too lazy for that :-) |
| 22:42:26 | cinic | Can somebody help me? |
| 22:42:55 | midgey | cinic: mpegplayer comes with rockbox |
| 22:43:04 | Zagor | ...although it would look a lot better of course. some day when I have gobs of spare time I don't know what to do with ;) |
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| 22:43:39 | cinic | midgey: How I use it? |
| 22:43:55 | midgey | read PluginMpegPlayer on the wiki |
| 22:44:27 | midgey | you basically copy an mpeg video to your ipod and play it like you would an audio file |
| 22:45:38 | cinic | midgey: where I must question his videos? |
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| 22:46:40 | Soap | linuxstb: I assume you saw my numbers on the ata_test? |
| 22:47:19 | midgey | cinic: there are test videos at http://download.rockbox.org/mpeg/ |
| 22:47:33 | midgey | copy one to your player and try it out |
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| 22:48:15 | Mouser_X | I got two confirmation emails from the flyspray. Which should I use? They appear to have arrived at the same time. |
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| 22:48:40 | hcs | combine them into one omega-invite |
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| 22:49:32 | linuxstb | Soap: Yes, thanks for testing. |
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| 22:49:55 | Soap | did you know from the get-go that dual-platter would make no difference? (I suspect you did.) |
| 22:50:06 | Mouser_X | I got two confirmation emails from the flyspray. Which should I use? They appear to have arrived at the same time. |
| 22:50:30 | Llorean | Mouser_X: Just pick one, and if it doesn't work, try the other. |
| 22:50:30 | Mouser_X | (They have different confimration codes.) |
| 22:50:32 | Mouser_X | Okay. |
| 22:50:39 | perldiver | jba |
| 22:50:45 | perldiver | i tried bubbles alright |
| 22:50:49 | midgey | Mouser_X: if neither work, someone here can activate it for you |
| 22:51:11 | Mikachu | be aware that if you try the wrong one, the rockbox team legally owns your house |
| 22:51:24 | cinic | midgey: Am I to oblige to download the video elephant dream? |
| 22:52:21 | midgey | cinic: download one of those videos and save it to your ipod |
| 22:52:43 | midgey | if you have a 5g (video) try the last one on the page |
| 22:53:10 | cinic | no I have the ipod nano 1g |
| 22:53:47 | linuxstb | Soap: I hadn't thought about it. But I guess it's not surprising. |
| 22:53:55 | Bagder | ... the ipod video bootloader has been downloaded 3600 times so far in january |
| 22:54:38 | midgey | cinic: download one that starts elephantsdream-q6-176 |
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| 22:54:46 | Mouser_X | Llorean: It says the confirmation was successful, but I can't login. It says "That username does not exist with this install." Or something like that. |
| 22:54:47 | cinic | ok |
| 22:54:51 | midgey | either own will work |
| 22:55:00 | midgey | s/own/one |
| 22:55:14 | BiptoN | i moved the ata thread to the cop, under the os stacks dbg menu it says it's tied to core 1 but says 0% |
| 22:55:28 | Zagor | Mikachu: If your offer to host the elephant movies is still available, I'd like to take you up on it. |
| 22:55:33 | BiptoN | did i miss where it retrieves the values for the thread somewhere |
| 22:55:42 | Mikachu | Zagor: okay |
| 22:56:21 | Llorean | Bagder: The forums are also looking to reach a record registration month this month. Maybe |
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| 22:56:44 | Bagder | the dl server is hitting the roof in bandwidth usage |
| 22:56:45 | cinic | midgey: I have to download the video one |
| 22:57:02 | Bagder | "root" being a bit soft here ;-) |
| 22:57:05 | Bagder | roof |
| 22:57:09 | Mikachu | i'll roof it a bit more when i download all the videos |
| 22:57:15 | Bagder | hehe |
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| 22:57:32 | Bagder | about 195GB so far this month |
| 22:57:38 | Bagder | downloaded |
| 22:57:47 | Llorean | Whoa |
| 22:58:06 | Zagor | yeah, the 300 gig I reported last night was a misreading. we're "only" nearing 200 gig... |
| 22:58:25 | Bagder | 10 gigs a day |
| 22:58:29 | Llorean | Next month may be a very heavy month |
| 22:58:50 | Llorean | Once popular science is on newsstands and not just subscribers have it |
| 22:59:04 | Mikachu | did they write about rockbox? |
| 22:59:44 | Zagor | yes. that's why everyone is asking where to download mpegplayer :-) |
| 22:59:57 | Llorean | Mikachu: They wrote that you have to download jpeg and mpegplayer separately. |
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| 23:00:04 | linuxstb | Someone should finish mpegplayer... |
| 23:00:20 | Mikachu | you could commit what you have so far |
| 23:01:04 | linuxstb | I've broken my local tree now... |
| 23:01:19 | cinic | midgey: I do not see the video one. Only sound is heard. |
| 23:01:53 | Mikachu | Zagor: http://mikachu.ath.cx/elephant/ |
| 23:02:24 | Mikachu | i didn't get old/ since that's not useful with current rockbox anyway |
| 23:02:35 | Mikachu | i linked parent and old/ to download.rockbox.org too |
| 23:02:37 | Bagder | nah, they can be removed now |
| 23:02:49 | Soap | couldn't the movies (and other large files) be torrented? |
| 23:02:58 | Mikachu | but i'm guessing most people only use the direct wiki links |
| 23:03:00 | Zagor | Mikachu: excellent. can you update the links on the PluginMpegplayer page too? |
| 23:03:02 | Bagder | Soap: indeed |
| 23:03:18 | Bagder | Zagor: we could/should probably redirect there anyway |
| 23:03:45 | Mikachu | you might want to keep the videos on your server too, like i said i could disappear sometimes |
| 23:03:54 | cinic | midgey: Can you help me? |
| 23:04:12 | Soap | I hate to think what little cash donations I have made be spent hosting non-core videos. But I'm more than willing to torrent out the wazoo. |
| 23:04:32 | Soap | 200GB a month can't be cheap. |
| 23:04:39 | midgey | cinic: you sure the backlight didnt turn off? |
| 23:04:40 | Zagor | Mikachu: I'll keep them, but not normally visible. they are not critical. |
| 23:04:50 | Bagder | Soap: the hosting is not paid for by the rockbox fund, but sponsored by Zagor/Haxx |
| 23:05:11 | Soap | Still - that's coming out of your hard-earned beer money. |
| 23:05:34 | Zagor | no, it's coming out of my hard earned personal money :-) |
| 23:05:46 | Zagor | but it's actually a very good hosting deal, so it's not a lot of money |
| 23:05:49 | Soap | even worse |
| 23:05:51 | Bagder | I just wanted to point out that donations aren't used for that |
| 23:05:52 | Mikachu | Zagor: done |
| 23:05:59 | Zagor | Mikachu: thanks |
| 23:06:06 | cinic | midgey: Can you come in private some to speak about that. |
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| 23:06:47 | midgey | cinic: im not one of the devs of mepgplayer, someone else may be able to offer you better help |
| 23:07:11 | cinic | ok |
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| 23:07:27 | Bagder | Mikachu: if you' |
| 23:07:40 | Bagder | d feel like having it using a rockbox.org domain name, just tell |
| 23:08:17 | cinic | midgey: Actually, the sound of video walk. But that if appears in the same place as for the music. |
| 23:08:30 | Jakeworld | Hi, I have a quick question, and am wondering if anyone knows an answer: First, I'm using an iPod, but I'm wondering whether using the Database from the Itunes categorized files is less efficient than simply putting all of my organized files manually onto my iPod |
| 23:08:49 | Mikachu | Bagder: i guess you could cname mikachu.rockbox.org to mikachu.ath.cx |
| 23:09:21 | Bagder | I'll fix it |
| 23:09:53 | cinic | Somebody can help me. I would like to put videos on ipod nano 1go of first generation. |
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| 23:11:21 | Bagder | mikachu.rockbox.org it is |
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| 23:12:07 | Zagor | apache redirect added |
| 23:12:13 | SirTech | hey guys anyone know how i could rig up a remote control for my iaudio x5 |
| 23:12:17 | linuxstb | cinic: What videos are you trying to play? |
| 23:12:29 | Mikachu | Zagor: did you redirect to mikachu.rockbox.org? |
| 23:12:34 | cinic | linuxstb: wmv |
| 23:12:39 | Zagor | yes. hehe, a bit quick :-) |
| 23:12:43 | Zagor | should I wait? |
| 23:12:53 | Mikachu | no it sohuld be working, but it isn't |
| 23:12:54 | linuxstb | cinic: You need to read the PluginMpegplayer wiki page. |
| 23:12:58 | Zagor | you're giving us google right now |
| 23:13:04 | Mikachu | http://mikachu.rockbox.org/ works, but clicking mpeg/ on your server doesn't |
| 23:13:05 | jba | perldiver, how did it go? |
| 23:13:24 | perldiver | went smooth |
| 23:13:38 | jba | hmm |
| 23:13:40 | SirTech | i would try to rig the infrastuctural asymetrical compantent of the iridescent cologlomeraten |
| 23:13:44 | cinic | linuxstb: Yes, I read it. But I have much difficulty of including/understanding operation |
| 23:13:45 | perldiver | i expected a full screen experience though |
| 23:13:47 | SirTech | srry wrong channekl |
| 23:13:48 | jba | well for the me th bubbles are corrupted sprites |
| 23:14:01 | Mikachu | Zagor: ah, it's not elephant/ on mikachu.rockbox.org |
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| 23:14:04 | Mikachu | Zagor: just / |
| 23:14:06 | perldiver | jba nothing of that kind |
| 23:14:07 | Zagor | ah, ok |
| 23:14:38 | Zagor | there |
| 23:14:51 | cinic | linuxstb: can you help me? |
| 23:14:59 | linuxstb | cinic: You need to convert your videos to .mpg. |
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| 23:16:36 | cinic | linuxstb: Yes, but the video elephant dream does not go. I hears only the sound |
| 23:16:43 | Mikachu | heh, you can't refresh a redirect link in gecko, have to clear all cache |
| 23:16:59 | Mikachu | cinic: which file did you try? |
| 23:17:10 | Mikachu | cinic: it has to be one of the 176x ones if you have nano |
| 23:18:03 | cinic | I have elephant dream 176x |
| 23:18:13 | Mikachu | then it should work |
| 23:18:51 | Llorean | It's possible the second thread isn't starting. |
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| 23:22:59 | jba | perldiver, you running svn head? |
| 23:23:06 | BiptoN | llorean: i moved the ata thread to the cop, but it doesn't display a % in the debug menu. Did i miss something somewhere to get those values? |
| 23:23:37 | cinic | linuxstb: can I use another kind of plugin to read my videos? |
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| 23:24:34 | linuxstb | cinic: No. |
| 23:24:45 | Bagder | it seems we have roughly 11000 visits daily on the web site |
| 23:24:50 | Llorean | BiptoN: The COP patch already moves the most CPU intensive thread to the COP. Why are you adding more threads to it? |
| 23:25:20 | BiptoN | iam trying to move the least intensive ones to the cop and more intense to the main |
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| 23:25:49 | Llorean | The Codec thread is in theory the only really intensive one. |
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| 23:25:59 | Llorean | And that one's only doing anything during playback. |
| 23:26:11 | BiptoN | ok than |
| 23:26:37 | BiptoN | can you tell me what the flashing asterisks are nex to the threads under os stacks in the dbg screen please |
| 23:26:41 | Llorean | Keeping it on the main core and moving everything else to the COP is somewhat wasteful since then the COP has to always be active, and the main will be active but doing nothing when playback isn't happening. |
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| 23:26:53 | Bagder | seen this? http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/andrewkantor/2007-01-12-iphone_x.htm |
| 23:27:05 | Llorean | BiptoN: I don't really know about the debug representations, sorry. |
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| 23:27:52 | Llorean | Bagder: It's still gonna sell a ridiculous amount to people who will talk of it like it's the greatest phone ever. |
| 23:28:09 | Bagder | I was mostly thinking of the rockbox link in there |
| 23:28:25 | Llorean | Oh, yeah, I saw that. |
| 23:28:29 | Llorean | We've been popular lately. |
| 23:28:30 | perldiver | jba yes |
| 23:29:01 | DataGhost | [15:42:05] (linuxstb): My methodology might be flawed, but I've done some rough ATA reading speed tests on my H140, 60GB ipod Photo and 30GB ipod Video (5g) - H140 is about 7.7Mbit/s, Photo is about 3.5Mbit/s and Video is about 5.4Mbit/s (with CPU boosted, I haven't tried without). |
| 23:29:13 | DataGhost | linuxstb ? I'm getting 64 MB in 20 seconds on my 5.5G |
| 23:29:14 | BiptoN | alrighty then thanks Llorean |
| 23:29:15 | BiptoN | :) |
| 23:29:28 | DataGhost | that's 3.2 MBYTE/s, not Mbit |
| 23:29:33 | linuxstb | DataGhost: That should MB/s, not mbit.... |
| 23:29:37 | DataGhost | ah ok :) |
| 23:29:53 | DataGhost | anyway, nice to see that linux understands DMA and is probably using it |
| 23:30:02 | DataGhost | else the bootloader would be faster with pio :) |
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| 23:30:13 | linuxstb | I think that's unlikely. |
| 23:30:24 | DataGhost | why? |
| 23:30:33 | BiptoN | can anyone tell me what the asterisks in the OS Stacks dbg menu mean or is it in a manual? |
| 23:30:41 | linuxstb | Because I've seen no code in IPL to deal with DMA on the portalplayer chip. |
| 23:30:55 | DataGhost | eh. does that need to be dealt with in a special way then? |
| 23:31:01 | DataGhost | because hdparm says it's using udma4 |
| 23:31:29 | DataGhost | and to me it seems unlikely that chip can handle 3.2 MB/s in pio |
| 23:31:44 | linuxstb | Rockbox is getting 5.4MB/s in PIO... |
| 23:31:59 | DataGhost | hm |
| 23:32:00 | linuxstb | And it gets more in PIO mode on other targets with optimised assembler transfer functions. |
| 23:32:21 | Bagder | why would dma mean faster? |
| 23:32:25 | DataGhost | guess they put some optimized logic in that cpu then |
| 23:32:34 | DataGhost | well Bagder I was using my PC as reference |
| 23:32:42 | DataGhost | in PIO it can do about 4 MB/s with 100% cpu |
| 23:33:15 | Bagder | that sounds weird |
| 23:33:36 | DataGhost | but I don't really care what mode it's using, it's just nice to see that it'll do decent speeds :) |
| 23:35:48 | DataGhost | so anyway, if it can do 3.2MB/s with one of the simplest tests, in PIO |
| 23:35:58 | DataGhost | then there is plenty of room for optimization in the bootloader, I guess :) |
| 23:36:30 | DataGhost | because that's doing about 330 kB/s now |
| 23:37:13 | DataGhost | 3,7 MB/s with bs=512000 instead of 512 :) now let's try 1024 and 2048 |
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| 23:42:29 | DataGhost | this is odd |
| 23:42:47 | DataGhost | the air around my PCs smells like shampoo all of a sudden |
| 23:42:55 | DataGhost | nothing near the door or windows |
| 23:43:16 | Mikachu | my friend's graphics card started smelling like pop corn one time |
| 23:43:25 | DataGhost | hehe |
| 23:43:47 | DataGhost | I had a broken PSU once, during a game with some people on teamspeak |
| 23:43:53 | DataGhost | I told them I had to leave because it was getting foggy in my room |
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| 23:55:46 | * | amiconn returns |
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| 23:55:55 | amiconn | linuxstb: You wanted to ask me sth? |
| 23:58:54 | linuxstb | I was getting strange results when using ata_read_sectors() to test transfer speeds. Is that function intended to be limited to <= 256 sectors? |
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