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#rockbox log for 2007-01-20

00:00:07ZagorGenre9mp3: yes
00:00:11 Nick Everybody is now known as Everybody|away (
00:00:38preglowjhMikeS: with a scale? you mean like a shift left or right in integer mode?
00:01:27EnterUserNameI must have mistaken you guys with Linux on nipod
00:01:29EnterUserNameeven better. :)
00:01:36EnterUserNameI'll be updating soon my rockbox cant wait to try it out :)
00:01:40jhMikeSpreglow: yes
00:02:10preglowi think you use 1 or -1 for left or right respectively
00:02:15preglowbut i don't know, i so very seldom use integer mode
00:02:27jhMikeSand are a whole 8bit really just reserved for sign/zero extension?
00:02:34BHSPitLappyare there currently any Tone Generator plugins?
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00:03:22preglowjhMikeS: yes
00:04:54jhMikeSpreglow: how goofy of freescale :P
00:06:00preglowjhMikeS: it's slightly... useless
00:06:48EnterUserNamehows the Battery life on ipods
00:06:51EnterUserNameany better?
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00:07:21n1sbetter than what?
00:07:26preglowjhMikeS: actually looks like << and >> is supported too
00:07:36EnterUserNamebefore i was getting 8 hours
00:07:43EnterUserNameinstead of 10.. or 7 hours instead of 10
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00:08:16n1stake a look here
00:08:21jhMikeSpreglow: I can see possibly the value in preserving a sign upon overflow but a bit mask wouldn't waste bit.
00:08:24pregloweverybody shut up, the us government has started logging us
00:08:33EnterUserNameok where do i go about videos
00:09:15EnterUserNamei forgot
00:09:20EnterUserNameand it scrolled up :)
00:09:25 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.")
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00:09:35n1sin the nice little box on top of the page for which I posted a link, typr PluginMpegplayer
00:09:53EnterUserNamegot it thank you
00:09:53jhMikeSI don't think the shift factor's of much use to me in this case but would like to know what the heck gcc implemented.
00:10:39preglowthe shift factor seldom is of any use, unless you're doing low-precision fixed point
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00:15:55baseballluverHi, I'd like to know if there's a way to get the track names back for viewing once i've installed rockbox.
00:16:16GodEaterread the manual
00:16:23GodEaterlook at the database section
00:16:31GodEater@ baseballluver
00:16:52baseballluverall right.
00:17:00baseballluverIt's all MJ7A right now.
00:17:09GodEaterit will be
00:17:13GodEaterso do as I said
00:17:40baseballluverwait, are you going to walk me through, or are you telling me to just read it all?
00:17:50GodEaterI'm telling you to read it
00:18:32baseballluverwhich section?
00:18:44linuxstb_Chapter 4 somewhere...
00:18:46GodEaterthe DATABASE section
00:18:54jhMikeSpreglow: definitely not low precision :)
00:19:25baseballluverthanks, reading it now
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00:19:59GodEatersomeone tell me again why we've bothered writing a manual ?
00:20:16ZagorGodEater: because not everyone can write code
00:21:18Mikachui am guessing most people don't actually come here asking questions
00:21:21sneakumshide the manual for a week and see how many people you get coming here then
00:22:11*GodEater wonders if the download stats are available for the manuals
00:22:32GodEaterwe could compare it to the number of questions in here and the number of dumb questions in the forums :)
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00:23:12Aloneathat would be an excellent experiment that we could shove into people's faces who do not read the manual
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00:23:51baseballluverall right, I can't find the database, and I can't figure out how to turn off the "enless repeat" function.
00:24:17Mikachugo to the quick screen
00:24:32n1sThe fun thing is that almost every new user that comes here with problems have 1) an ipod and 2) not read the entire installation instructions but instead skipped the part where they should install rockbox and just did the bootloader
00:24:37Mikachuhold down Menu
00:25:00baseballluverok, thanks.
00:25:04Zagoreuh? unplug_rw() in settings_menu.c calls audio_set_crossfade(global_settings.unplug_rw); that's got to be a mistake?
00:25:17*Zagor checks annotate
00:25:20jhMikeSpreglow: ok, so you get a 64-bit result for a mac.l in fractional mode that is lsb truncated to 40 bits with the least sig 8 bits of the 40 left in the lower extension byte iiuc
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00:26:41jhMikeSiiow fractional mode give you the >> after multiply for free
00:28:13EnterUserNamehey does the fm radio plugin function works with nano ipod
00:28:15EnterUserNameim guessing no
00:28:15baseballluverI'd say the reason that almost eery new user that comes in here has an ipod, is because the ipod is the most popular music player in the world.
00:28:43Aloneawhich is an unfortunate thing. I have never wanted an iPod.
00:28:53n1sYes but they all have the same question
00:29:16Zagormaybe we should get logbot to start answering questions :)
00:29:19baseballluverI still can't figure out how to get it sorted by rtists, even after looking at the database section of the guide.
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00:29:42EnterUserNamebaseballuver: sor tit yourself :(
00:29:53baseballluverI have sore tits?
00:29:58EnterUserNameBy directory structure :)
00:29:59hen3rzanyone having issues with the new gigabeat bootloader?
00:30:06EnterUserNamewhats a gigabeat..
00:30:08Aloneawe should. or do a thing where they have to answer questions before they are allowed in, like "have you read the manual?" and if they say no, we have a niiice big message saying "RTFM"
00:30:09EnterUserNamelet mse see
00:30:23n1sWe need a good, foolproof, dead simple installer that can handle ipod bootloader installs.
00:30:53baseballluverI don't understand half the crap in the manual, I just figured Rockbox would be something a little more engaging than the usual OS>
00:31:26EnterUserNameIs the answer no for radio input for nano?
00:31:27Zagorbaseballluver: unfortunately, the database isn't doing everything we'd like it to do yet
00:31:51ZagorEnterUserName: unless it has tuner hardware, it has no radio
00:31:59n1sEnterUserName: no accessory support at all for ipods, except some things that only use line out
00:32:05EnterUserNameoh ok
00:32:54*[IDC]Dragon found another task for the weekend, bootbox has to wait
00:33:05baseballluverOk, so do I have to manually enter in the name of every single name for the songs? It obviously can find it, but it doesn't categorize it itself. Is there some "miracle button" I can press to sort it by artist/album?
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00:33:29linuxstb_What are you seeing on the display?
00:33:34Zagorbaseballluver: rockbox can't read the itunes database, if that's what you're asking
00:33:36EnterUserNameHey all whats the prices for gigabeat?
00:33:43EnterUserNameim looking to look at it. :) if its better htan ipod..
00:34:04baseballluver"recent bookmars" "sound settings" etc.
00:34:15linuxstb_That's the main menu... Exit that back to the file browser.
00:34:29linuxstb_Have you initialised the database?
00:34:36baseballluverwell, then how does it get the names for the "now playing" section?
00:34:40linuxstb_And then shutdown and restarted?
00:34:51linuxstb_And then changed the file view to "database" ?
00:34:59EnterUserNameare all gigabeat F series supported?
00:35:15linuxstb_As described in the manual...
00:35:26baseballluverrockbox must take up its fair share of ram. it's doing a "data abort".
00:36:04baseballluverhot damn!
00:36:15baseballluverYou're my hero, linux. I didn't quite get the part about rebooting it.
00:37:14linuxstb_Yes, the manual doesn't make that step obvious.
00:37:34FebsThis thread can't possibly be serious:
00:38:10baseballluverdear lord.
00:38:26EnterUserNamewho here uses gigabeat?
00:38:31baseballluvermust be a joke.
00:38:32EnterUserNameanyone make a suggestion compared to ipods?
00:38:43*linuxstb_ checks the posters previous posts..
00:38:53GodEaterno - he's an idiot Febs
00:38:58Aloneathat HAS to be a joke (i use gigabeat)
00:38:58GodEaterhe's completely serious
00:39:07Aloneadear kami that scares me
00:39:09hen3rzwat an idiot
00:39:31EnterUserNametee hee
00:39:39EnterUserNamei have the same problem..
00:39:42EnterUserNameit dies after 8 hours..
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00:40:33EnterUserNameAlonea: did you ever have an ipod how does it compare to u?
00:41:34EnterUserNameI honestly do occasionally get a battery error after charging but resetting it (center/menu) button fixes it
00:41:37AloneaEnterUserName: I refuse to get an iPod. I used to have an old Archos and then the Gigabeat F-40. It is quite nice, especially with rockbox. battery time is nice too. around 14-19 hours depending
00:41:53EnterUserNamei see it has video support too which is nice.
00:42:05EnterUserNameAlonea: why do u not like ipods?
00:43:51baseballluverdang. I'm still having trouble locating my alphabetized library. I found it once, but I can't get back.
00:44:37baseballluverlast question, I swear.
00:44:38Aloneafor one, never been an apple fan, 2, iTunes is not something I would ever use or want to buy from, and 3, its highly overrated. Really, lets not get into an iPod debate.
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00:45:09EnterUserNameAlonea: oh. i see im using rockbox for my nano its small so itunes i never use (i use amarok) But i agree itunes is a ** :)
00:45:10baseballluverApple really is a bitch. Authorization tags are terrible.
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00:45:42EnterUserNameDoes replacing firmware expire warranties?
00:45:42baseballluverbut I still can't figure out how to get to my library.
00:45:50EnterUserNameif i sent it in with rockbox on it..
00:46:07linuxstb_baseballluver: What are you seeing?
00:46:14Aloneaprice also had a bit to do with it. I like big harddrives on them since I carry all my music on it.
00:46:27baseballluverrecent bookmars at the top. I got there before but I can't get back.
00:46:49linuxstb_Try pressing menu.
00:47:02linuxstb_Or left.
00:47:14baseballluverjust takes me to the current song though.
00:47:34baseballluverA (not-so-good) boston tune.
00:47:39linuxstb_Yes. Now press the middle button to go back to the browser.
00:48:03linuxstb_Or a long press on play/pause will stop playback and return you to the browser. I'm sure this must be in the manual...
00:48:18linuxstb_BTW, Rockbox is different to the Apple firmware....
00:48:43EnterUserNameDoes anyone know if i sent my ipod back to the store with rockbox on it they'll say the warranty is void
00:48:59EnterUserNamei need to get a new one cuz my battery is dying quicker nwo :)
00:49:07linuxstb_Why not just remove it?
00:49:10baseballluveryes they will.
00:49:14baseballluveryou screwed with the software.
00:49:24baseballluverThere's a million ways to break an ipod though. google it.
00:49:39EnterUserNameLinuxstb: lazyiness :)
00:49:46EnterUserNamebut i guess i'll remov eit :)
00:50:19EnterUserNamethey'll give me a second generation one too probably
00:50:38EnterUserNamesamne problem as my psps :()
00:51:17baseballluverlinux, I'm still not at the same place thoughnow it's showing "shuffle on" on the left" "show files music" at the bottom and "repeat off" on the right. I still can't find the library
00:51:42linuxstb_That's a long press. Short and long presses on buttons do different things.
00:52:10baseballluvernow I'm on "calendars" at the top
00:52:46linuxstb_That's the file browser.... You changed the view back to files.
00:53:26linuxstb_Now do a long press on menu, press PLAY to change the file view, and MENU to exit back to the browser.
00:53:32hcsalrighty, back to the wimpy ipod for optimization
00:53:39GodEaterooooh I so want to chip in there with a "Batteries that hold an infinite charge being a bit thin on the ground...."
00:55:26baseballluverthank you, so much.'
00:55:36baseballluverthanks for everything, linux.
00:56:02baseballluverlater, people. I'll return in "stage two: why does it turn off after 8 hours, and how can I turn it on?"
00:56:06 Quit ender` (" I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I am not sure that what you heard is not what I meant.")
00:56:22EnterUserNamebaseballuveR: lol
00:56:28EnterUserNamedo they still make 1rst generation nanos :(
00:57:01EnterUserNamelooks like its gunna suck if i have to return my ipod then
00:57:10EnterUserNamei might as well fix it myself for the battery :(
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00:57:45n1sis "initialize" or "initialise" the proper Brithis english word?
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00:58:23EnterUserNameinitialize i believe..
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00:58:57linuxstb_No, ise isBritish.
00:59:07Mikachui heard that ize is gaining usage in british
00:59:22linuxstb_Mikachu: Not by me...
00:59:22Mikachuand The Collaborative International Dictionary of English says
00:59:24Mikachu initialise \initialise\ v. t.
00:59:24Mikachu initialize. [Chiefly Brit.]
00:59:36Mikachuno idea what that is though :)
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01:00:51hcshm, for some reason thought it was the other way around
01:01:15n1smeh, it will be with z now because teh menu option is with z and at least we are consequent now...
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01:02:02EnterUserNamehey all has any of you seen the Ipod nano clones
01:02:08EnterUserNameare they same chipset as ipod usually
01:02:24Mikachuread that if you're bored :)
01:03:58ZagorEnterUserName: most assuredly not the same chipset
01:04:17EnterUserNamejust curious :)
01:04:30EnterUserName i wasted money on the extra warranty it seems :(
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01:07:14Zagoreither awstats is buggy, or we've burned through >300 GB bandwidth so far in january
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01:07:37Mikachudo you have a limit / pay per bandwidth?
01:08:07Zagorwe pay for 160 /month...
01:08:14linuxstb_Which server(s) is that?
01:08:21Zagorlinuxstb_: download
01:08:32linuxstb_How much do the videos contribute?
01:09:01Zagorlinuxstb_: completed mpg transfers are 70GB
01:09:18Zagorthe killer is awstats isn't reporting aborted transfers per file type.
01:09:32ZagorI just noticed we've got 112 GB aborted downloads
01:09:46linuxstb_Very possibly the videos then...
01:09:54ZagorI would suspect so too
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01:10:19Zagorwe've planned to upgrade to 320 GB/month, but even that won't suffice at this speed
01:10:45n1sMaybe we could make a torrent for the videos and ask people to seed it
01:11:05linuxstb_Most people wouldn't want all the videos though.
01:11:06bonbonthejonI have a change for /trunk/firmware/target/arm/ipod/power-ipod.c for ipod 4g
01:11:24n1spost a patch in the tracker
01:11:58bonbonthejonn1s: its for when the ipod is plugged in
01:12:28n1slinuxstb_: maybe we could have shorter 1 minute clips instead
01:13:00n1sbonbonthejon: what does it do that makes it not belong in the tracker?
01:13:34bonbonthejonn1s: its GPIO for when the plug is inserted
01:13:49bonbonthejonn1s: I dont know what to do
01:13:51n1slinuxstb_ that would also be a nice work around for the rebuffer problem :-P
01:13:58amiconnZagor: I wouldn't have expected a volume limit...
01:14:34MikachuZagor: how much is the vmware image?
01:15:14n1sbonbonthejon: see here how to create a patch
01:15:28ZagorMikachu: 24 GB completed transfers (13%)
01:15:50***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:15:50n1sZagor: how much is actual rockbox?
01:15:51Mikachuit might help a bit if you put my link above yours then
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01:16:36Mikachui only have 13 downloads of it
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01:17:00Zagorn1s: hard to say. zip files are 31%, but that includes fonts and manuals and lots of non-core stuff.
01:19:31Mikachui can host the videos too, but since it's just my desktop i can't guarantee availability, so you'll still need your links too, which could make the table a bit messy
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01:20:56Nico_Plinuxstb_: would you mind doing a quick test for me ?
01:21:02Nico_Pcuesheet related
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01:22:53Nico_Por maybe if there are volunteers...
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01:23:46linuxstb_Nico_P: Sure.
01:23:48MikachuZagor: what do you think?
01:24:24Nico_Plinuxstb_: cool. can you still reproduce the crashing when you skip to a cuesheet right after adding it to the playlist ?
01:24:51linuxstb_I haven't been able to recreate that since the first time.
01:25:02Nico_Pit seems to be codec related
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01:25:43Nico_Pi think the file you're playing before skipping has to be of another codec
01:26:14Nico_Pon my player every single time i tried with an M4A and then an MP3 + CUE, it crashed
01:26:33Nico_Pbut just no i did the exact same thing with MP3 and then MP3 + CUE : no crash
01:27:02Nico_Pand once i got a "codec error" or something like it in the sim when i tried to reproduce the crash
01:27:09linuxstb_My test was FLAC followed by MP2. But as I said, it suddenly stopped crashing..
01:27:09Nico_Pbut it didn't actually crash
01:27:34Nico_Pso you were still testing the same combination of codecs each time ?
01:28:25linuxstb_Yes. The difference was that the first time (when it was crashing), I was building the database in the background. I could try deleting the database and see if that recreates it.
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01:29:27Nico_Pare you sure cuesheet support is still enabled ? somehow it just got disabled on my player...
01:29:56ZagorMikachu: I think we should probably "outsource" the movies, but we need a fast and stable place. various desktop machines isn't really good enough IMO
01:30:54Nico_Phmm... no crash this time
01:32:11Nico_Pwell i can't get it to crash anymore :s
01:32:16Mikachumy uptime is usually around 30 days with short reboots, but sometimes they manage to kill my internet connection for hours
01:32:19RedbrevaZagor: I have 7 GB of space and 100 GB/Month allowance if that is of any use (With 1&1)
01:32:55Mikachu(and my connection is 100mbits)
01:34:09linuxstb_Nico_P: I can't recreate it either... Very strange.
01:34:18Nico_Plinuxstb_: indeed
01:35:08linuxstb_BTW, is cuesheet support enabled by default? I just cleared my settings, and it was enabled.
01:35:09ZagorRedbreva, Mikachu: thanks for the offers. i'll have to think about it. time for bed.
01:35:52linuxstb_Nico_P: Hmm, the default value seems to be 20...
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01:36:21linuxstb_(should be false)
01:36:30Nico_Plinuxstb_: oops... forgot to change the default value from the old setting
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01:40:28preglowjhMikeS: frac mode calculates the msb of the result
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01:47:37*EnterUserName ... rock rock rock....
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01:57:43terinjokesanyone here running on linux that compiles the kernel?
01:57:50terinjokescompilies rockbox*
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02:01:14barrywardelln1s: i tested my ata poweroff suggestion on my h10 and it seems to no longer bring up the error messages (tested with sleeping for HZ/20)
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02:05:31Soap_Febs: I have started having that problems also as of the last two months. And my battery still benches out at almost factory condition.
02:07:02Soap_oops, that was a late reply - I was refering to your comment on
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02:08:37FebsI didn't read his post as having that problem (whcih I've had myself once or twice).
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02:09:19FebsThe low battery indicator will show up even on a full charge.
02:09:45Soap_yea, I don't recall it doing that +- before Thanksgiving.
02:09:47sneakumsterinjokes: yes, i build rockbox on linus.
02:09:52sneakumsterinjokes: er, on linux
02:10:05*Soap_ was going to ask how linus felt about all that.
02:10:13FebsBut I read that post as just saying "sometimes my battery is dead."
02:10:39Soap_Febs: seeing as who posted the query - your reading might be right.
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02:12:06FebsI edited my response.
02:14:25terinjokessneakums: what distro
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02:15:06sneakumsterinjokes: debian ppc
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02:16:23Soap_oh Febs, I didn't mean to challenge your response!
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02:17:13FebsNo, but you made me realize that there might be an issue there that I hadn't considered.
02:18:14terinjokeshrm, I want to install on Gentoo, just don't know what I need from portage to get it to work
02:18:37sneakumsnot much, since you'll be building the binutils and compiler yourself
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02:19:05terinjokesso, i can just emerge 'binutils' and 'arm-thingy'?
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02:19:43sneakumswell no, if you emerge binutils you'll just get binutils for native code
02:19:51sneakumsyou need a special binutils for arm
02:20:31sneakumsditto the compiler, unless gentoo actually has ebuilds for cross-compilers
02:20:47sneakumsbut even if they did, they may not have the specific version that is recommended for rockbox builds
02:20:55terinjokeshrm... i'll look
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02:21:26jhMikeSpreglow: I translate that as "calculates the product of two 32 bit values, keeps the most sig. 40 bits then accumulates the result" :) unless I'm reading the lit. incorrectly.
02:21:36sneakumsthe cross compiler procedure on the wiki is straightforward enough, and i had no problems with either m68k or arm
02:22:01linuxstb_terinjokes: Just run the tools/ script - that will setup the compiler(s) for you.
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02:22:41amiconnjhMikeS: A bit different than that. It keeps 48 bits, which are neither the msbs nor the lsb when viewed as integer
02:22:54preglowjhMikeS: aye
02:23:12amiconnThe middle 32 bit are in %accN, the high 8 and the low 8 are in the extension reg
02:23:15preglowjhMikeS: what it does is calculate 32*32, shift the result once to the left, then accumulate
02:23:58amiconnMeh, it keeps 40 bits from the multiplication, but the accumulator is 48 bits
02:24:38jhMikeSEight of those are sign (in the high ext.) or am I not clear?
02:24:55DataGhost <- woohoo :)
02:25:35amiconnjhMikeS: The upper extension bits are not only a sign extension
02:26:04jhMikeSamiconn: really, that's the jist I got from the manual
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02:26:34preglowjhMikeS: it's also used as accumulator guard bits
02:26:35jhMikeSso it actually contains data then? guess the manual's goofy
02:26:36amiconnYou won't fill them with anything else with just one mac instruction, but when issuing multiple mac instructions in sequence, the high ext. bits will get used
02:27:43amiconnemac does 32*32->64, shift one left, cut off the low 24 bits (yielding 40 bits), and then add that to the 48 bit accumulator
02:28:10amiconn(in fractionalk mode)
02:28:52amiconn%accN contains the middle 32 bits of the accumulator, the extension reg contains both the upper 8 and the lower 8 bits
02:29:29jhMikeSessentially (x*y >> 24) + acc with the result split 8-32-8?
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02:30:09amiconnNot >> 24
02:32:23amiconnThere's an implicit left-shift by 1 in fractional mode
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02:33:19jhMikeSThe diagram on p. 1-9 isn't entirely accurate then cause it shows 40 msb taken from the result (fractional) and the high extention just being a sign extension.
02:33:33preglowcan anyone tell me why windows is so WOEFULLY SLOW in handling smb shares that are no longer present?
02:33:37amiconnYes, for the multiply part
02:33:44amiconnBut it's mac, not mul
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02:33:59preglowbloody unresponsive piece of shit
02:35:13jhMikeSamiconn: right, was mostly wondering about the mult part.
02:36:27amiconnAnd yes, the diagram seems to be slightly incorrect
02:36:49DataGhosthaha preglow
02:36:57DataGhostthat's always funny yes
02:37:00DataGhostand when you close that window
02:37:04DataGhostyour whole shell crashes :P
02:37:30preglowyes, they're doing a fucking bad job in handling something they themselves invented
02:37:44preglowjhMikeS: lots of emac documentation is somewhat wrong
02:37:46preglowjust so you know
02:38:07preglowthe part of leftshifting the result i haven't seen mentioned anywhere, so had to figure that out mysellf
02:39:15DataGhostanyway, I'm going to call it a night
02:39:25DataGhosti've done enough work on the loader for now, the juicy bits are for tomorrow
02:39:28DataGhostnn :)
02:40:49jhMikeSpreglow: gnight
02:41:05preglowjhMikeS: i'm not going to bed, if that's what you mean
02:41:05*jhMikeS hates wrong, scarce documentation
02:41:19preglowjhMikeS: unless you really want me to, that is :)
02:41:21jhMikeSwoops :) thought it was you
02:45:34n1sbarrywardell: very nice :-)
02:45:36jhMikeSwell, synth works with a 32 bit wide linear interpolated lookup but emac seems the thing for handling the intermediate 64 bit result since the compiler's handling is so slow
02:46:12preglowwell, just keep in mind that you won't get the full 64 bits
02:46:26preglownever seen a case where i need them all, though
02:46:27jhMikeSdon't need em
02:46:54jhMikeSI need a muldiv not a multiply of 64 bit numbers
02:47:18barrywardelln1s: it was an easy fix in the end
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02:48:31n1smidgey: We have been using this page to keep track of the Todo list for the manual, it's kind of outdated but might be useful
02:48:48n1sbarrywardell: the easy fixes are the best ones :-)
02:51:13amiconnNow it gets somewhat interesting, and I have a question for LinusN
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02:51:55FebsHmm. Perhaps number one on ManualTodo should be "Update ManualTodo."
02:52:02*n1s gets curious and guesses LinusN is asleep
02:52:31n1sFebs: yep, it hasn't been updated since november
02:52:32amiconnata_init() has a sleep(HZ) after ide_power_enable(true); but ata_power_on() does not
02:52:49amiconnata.c lines 764 and 964
02:53:15amiconnThe comment for the second one is /* allow voltage to build up */
02:53:26amiconn(line 957 I mean)
02:53:28n1sYes I saw that too
02:53:49jhMikeSis the syntax msac.l %%d2, %%d6, (3*4, %[X]), %%d7, %%acc3 the one that loads from mem while mac-ing? I see that in layer3.c
02:55:06amiconnThat raises 2 questions. (1) Why such a long sleep in the init? (2) Why no sleep at all in the general power on sequence?
02:56:16amiconnPerhaps this is the cause for the power-on crashes on the problematic archos players...
02:56:23n1sYes it is strange, wasn't the crashing v4 h300 bootloader somehow related to disk poweron too?
02:56:29*amiconn hopes that LinusN still has that problematic player
02:56:47jhMikeSAnd do the CPUs in the players have EMAC_B? Instructions like "mssac"?
02:56:54*amiconn wants to see disk poweroff permanently enabled on all targets which can do the trick
02:57:02*n1s too
02:59:37amiconnbarrywardell: What happened on H10 without the sleep(1) ?
02:59:40*jhMikeS got himself an Archos player for playback rework testing. what a tank. :)
02:59:53amiconnI mean what effect did you observe?
03:00:35amiconnjhMikeS: Yeah it's quite big, but then it uses 2.5" disk so you can put in a really big one
03:00:56barrywardellamiconn: FS #6421 explains it quite well
03:00:58amiconn(though filling such a big hd will take ages through the player's usb)
03:01:03barrywardellrobert cotey's comments
03:01:17jhMikeSIt's heavy too. Could knock someone out with it. :)
03:01:25barrywardellthe first disk access when coming from power off failed
03:04:36amiconnYes, it seems voltage didn't have stabilised enough and so the disk simply "ignored" the command
03:05:06amiconnIt also caused crashes; that's what LinusN observed on the player iirc
03:05:25amiconnI think it depends on where the access fails (settings code, playback etc)
03:05:36barrywardelli'm not sure how long it should be left to stabalise for, but 1 tick seemed enough for me
03:06:03amiconnA few milliseconds should be enough.
03:06:19amiconnHence my question #1 earlier
03:06:31n1splayback is known to crash if the file it is trying to access is deleted so it seems like not being able to read at all would be as bad
03:07:07barrywardellamiconn: yes, HZ seems excessive
03:07:09amiconnHwcodec playback is more robust in that respect
03:07:26amiconnIf the file just played goes away, it just skips to the next file
03:07:55amiconn(not immediately, but when the read fails)
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03:08:39amiconnjhMikeS: The hwcodec playback is currently very different from the swcodec one, but I'd like to see that changed
03:09:16*amiconn will (hopefully) add a mas state machine sometime soon
03:09:35amiconnThis state machine isn't necessary for the player, but for the other archoses
03:09:37jhMikeSThat's why if I change it around I need to test and get immediate feedback about it.
03:10:08jhMikeSpreglow: so the emac unit is running in fractional mode in dsp.c?
03:10:10amiconnIf you change playback.c, it currently has no effect on hwcodec
03:10:19amiconnThe file simply isn't used for hwcodec
03:10:48jhMikeSright, but the interface probably will a bit which will change things around. hopefully they'll be more alike.
03:11:44mirakgood beer
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03:12:00amiconnWhen the pcm codec will be added in the core, MAS3507 devices (i.e. the player) don't need a state machine because there is only one state: mpa playback
03:12:20amiconnThe MAS3539 targets (i.e. Ondio SP) will have 2: mpa playback and pcm playback
03:12:30Bradleyhi - where can i get some nice themse for my ipod nano - i couldnt seem to find them onthe website
03:12:48mirakI have a coworker that have a H10. I though it was way smaller, but it's almost bigger than a H320 !!!
03:13:09n1sNo way!
03:13:12amiconnThe MAS3587 targets (the other 4) will have a total of 4 states: mpa playback, pcm playback, mpa recording and pcm recording
03:13:18barrywardellthere are two different types of h10
03:13:18Llorea2The 20gb H10s are pretty big.
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03:13:27barrywardellthe 20gb is about the same as the h320
03:13:36mirakI guess it was the H10 20gb then
03:13:54n1sThe size is the one thing about my h320 that I don't like
03:13:55mirakmy coworker was a bit jealous about h320 screen
03:14:21mirakn1s: me too, it's starting to bother me, espacially in comparison if recent ipods
03:14:36mirakn1s: but when you see old ipods, it nothing to be jealous
03:14:42LloreanI really like the H120's size, but I like my electronics a bit bigger than is considered fashionable.
03:14:50mirakh320 is just out dated, we should "get over it"
03:15:13mirakit's not outdated feature wise though
03:15:26jhMikeSamiconn: I'm wondering what that means then for architecture if to unify things. Should the states pose as a codec?
03:15:38n1s, I guess so, but I'll probably use it until it dies and the buy the best player with rockbox :-)
03:15:47mirakn1s: me too
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03:16:07mirakn1s: in fact during hem, the cold season, how is it called ?
03:16:25mirakthere spring , summer, autumn and ?
03:16:25amiconnjhMikeS: Hmm, I think they are something like a codec. But we can't unify every aspect
03:16:28MikachuLlorean: if it breaks, you want to actually be able to use it as a brick?
03:16:33amiconnFor instance, a state change can never be gapless
03:16:50mirakn1s: winter ! like in winter games !!!
03:16:55amiconnEspecially mpa->pcm will take a while
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03:17:16Mikachuif someone encodes a gapless album with different codecs, they're a bit dumb :)
03:17:18amiconnTransferring ~7.5KB via i2c takes some time...
03:17:19mirakn1s: well during winter, the H320 size is not a problem because I put it in my jacket pockets
03:17:35mirakn1s: but during summer it's a bit too big in the jean !!
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03:18:03n1smirak: exactly!
03:18:20Mikachumove to sweden and always wear a jacket
03:18:38mirakn1s: so you must choose between phone, wallet and H320 and most of time I must not take H320
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03:19:02mirakMikachu: I am in Paris right know, I am waiting summer
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03:19:03mirakor spring
03:19:13jhMikeSamiconn: true...there's a lot of demand on SWCODEC playback that isn't there for the other. I would like to not see higher level code be aware of the difference though as much as possible to remove #ifdef SWCODEC stuff.
03:19:15mirakspring and summer
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03:25:22MainCorpsehi everyone
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03:25:52LukeTaylorcan sum1 help me install rockbox on my ipod?
03:26:08LukeTaylorit keeps not working
03:26:19LukeTaylorSOMEONE HELP ME
03:26:31n1swhat have you done?
03:26:37LukeTaylorIt didn't work
03:26:42LloreanLukeTaylor: You know, we'd be more inclined to if you didn't spam 4 lines in 27 seconds.
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03:26:53LukeTaylorbut rockbox isn't working
03:26:57LloreanWe're going to need more than 'It didn't work'
03:27:03LloreanWhat's the error message, and on what screen?
03:27:10LukeTaylori dont no how 2 mak it work
03:27:13Bradleyi followed the steps for my ipod nano yesterday and had no problems
03:27:22LukeTaylorwhere are the steps?
03:27:41LukeTaylorthats linux not rockbox
03:27:44LukeTaylori think
03:27:46LukeTaylorwhat manual
03:28:11Pauleyread the fscking manual
03:28:11LukeTaylorthankyou mr n1s
03:28:22LloreanPauley: Why on earth did you link ipodlinux?
03:28:34Mikachuhe didn't
03:28:35Pauleydunno Llorean
03:28:39n1snp, make sure you follow the entire installation instructions
03:28:44Mikachuipodlinux is at .org
03:28:46LloreanMikachu: Yeah, the link is bad, but still.
03:28:52LloreanHe tried.
03:28:55Pauleyits .org
03:28:58Pauleynot .com :P
03:29:06Mikachumaybe he's a bit slow
03:29:29Pauleymy dad installs linux and rockbox on his ipods
03:29:36Pauleyhe has 2 of each ipod
03:29:39Pauleygot them from his work
03:29:41Pauleyhes cool
03:29:44Pauleyhe got rockbox and linux
03:29:48Pauleyhe lieks them
03:30:01scorchestop it....
03:30:10Bradleywhere can i get themse for rockbox ?
03:30:21scorchebecause you are spamming
03:30:21Pauleytry google or dogpile
03:30:24scorcheand being annoying
03:30:26linuxstb_Pauley: Goodbye.
03:30:26Pauleyno iiiiiiiiiim not
03:30:27n1sscorche: your Op right ;-)
03:30:29Pauleyim taaaaaaaaaaalking
03:30:29LloreanPauley: because this is a logged channel, and we don't like the logs to be flooded.
03:30:35Pauleyoh ok sorrrry
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03:31:25Mikachutoo late
03:31:45Llorean+o? We don't need no stinkin' +o...
03:31:51scorchehe probably saw i got op and then got scared and left...
03:32:08amiconnjhMikeS: Yes. Ideally, only the format support wil vary
03:32:11LloreanPossibly. He did apologize before you +o'ed though.
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03:32:46amiconn(mas can only do mp2, mp3, and wav, aiff, the latter 2 not on the player
03:33:20amiconnPerhaps some lightweight module formats like protracker/noisetracker, but that can wait...
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03:34:07linuxstb_That depends on the CPU attached to the MAS...
03:34:24amiconnYes, AV3xx will be able to do more
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03:35:02scorchehow much will it be able to do with a 50-something MHz cpu?
03:35:08LloreanWell isn't the AV3xx's CPU about as capable as the iFP-7xx series?
03:35:11amiconnif that port ever gets to usable state that is ... there is that elio port .........
03:35:23LloreanWell, the 7xx is 60mhz if I recall
03:35:38Bradleyquick problem - when i choose 'browse themes' and select them - nothing happens. i thought a new 'look' will appera on the ipod - but it doesnt.
03:35:52LloreanBradley: Do you have the fonts installed?
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03:36:11linuxstb_amiconn: The ipod ports are almost usable...
03:36:27linuxstb_But yes, the Elio was a bad idea, because it's just not an interesting device.
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03:36:49jhMikeSamiconn: meant to ask, what's this implicit left shift of 1 with emac and at what stage does it occur?
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03:38:37HTDDoes anyone know the settings I need to change to minimize the use of my battery? before I had rockbox my battery would playback for the whole day (on and off) but when I got rockbox it normally dies half way through my day. I'm pretty sure its the settings because when I read the manual they were talking about loading to RAM and a bunch of other stuff like Play on resume. So does anyoine know all the features in the settings that will allow
03:38:52BradleyLlorean, you mean the fonts at the bottom of the page at because no i don't
03:39:00HTDif it matters im using iriver h10 20GB
03:39:18LloreanBradley: Yes, those need to be installed. As well, most WPSes affect the playback screen, the WPS
03:39:24LloreanErr, most themes rather, affect it.
03:39:47LloreanHTD: ON the h10, Rockbox gets about half the battery life of the original firmware.
03:39:48n1sHTD: if you use the very latest SVN version, turn on "disk poweroff" in the system settings
03:39:51barrywardellHTD: try enabling disk poweroff. that should help battery life
03:40:04barrywardellbeat me to it :)
03:40:21HTDturn on or off?
03:40:28HTDn1s said on but barry said off
03:40:38BradleyLlorean, ok thanks. ill do that now.
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03:41:13HTDis that under general ssettings? im having trouble finding it ><
03:41:16barrywardelli said enable...
03:41:33HTDnvm found it
03:42:19n1syou should really use the very latest svn to avoid trouble with that setting
03:42:25HTDcool got it, anything else?
03:42:43HTDwell im using a CVS build
03:42:47HTDso i can dual boot
03:42:50HTDto original
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03:43:22preglowjhMikeS: yes, it's running in fractional mode
03:43:25HTDis there anything else i can do to decrease the battery?
03:43:32n1sHTD: there was a bug that caused some trouble fixed tonight, download and install this
03:43:34preglowjhMikeS: and yes, that's the syntax for the parallel load
03:43:48preglowjhMikeS: and no, we only have mac and msac instructions
03:44:23HTDis it a cvs build?
03:44:25jhMikeSpreglow: ok. maybe you can tell me more about the implicit << 1?
03:44:28HTDor the daily?
03:48:58preglowjhMikeS: what's there to know?
03:49:03HTDthat link you gave me, is that the CVS or daily build?
03:49:24preglowjhMikeS: it's done to adjust the fixed point format
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03:50:12preglowjhMikeS: s0.31 x s0.31 -> s1.62, s1.62 << 1 -> s0.61, take only the upper part and you have s0.31
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03:51:55BradleyLlorean, thanks that worked!
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03:56:15HTDanyone here?
03:57:25Mikachuprobably around 4 people are waiting for you to write your actual question
03:57:32HTDi did
03:57:37HTDdo you want me to copy and paste?
03:57:51Mikachuoh, then i guess it was just me
03:58:01HTDDoes anyone know the settings I need to change to minimize the use of my battery? before I had rockbox my battery would playback for the whole day (on and off) but when I got rockbox it normally dies half way through my day. I'm pretty sure its the settings because when I read the manual they were talking about loading to RAM and a bunch of other stuff like Play on resume. So does anyoine know all the features in the settings that will allow
03:58:13LloreanHTD: I told you, Half battery life is EXPECTED.
03:58:26HTDoh now you return =/
03:58:26Mikachuapart from the disk poweroff thing, there's really nothing else
03:58:32Mikachuobviously don't set backlight to never shut off
03:58:37LloreanHTD: Return from what, I'd already answered that question.
03:58:50HTDthe link you gave
03:58:55HTDme was it cvs or daily build
03:59:01LloreanI didn't give a link.
03:59:06LloreanBut it's an SVN build
03:59:13Lloreann1s gave the link
03:59:18HTDand thats suppose to help?
04:00:00LloreanIt fixes a bug with the disk power off option.
04:00:18HTDokay ty ill try it out
04:00:30LloreanBut it's not going to greatly increase your battery life.
04:00:33HTDdoes the Load to RAM option matter much?
04:00:39preglowthink i'll go bed
04:00:51LloreanLoad to RAM can be better or worse depending on how you use the player.
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04:01:33FebsI like the WPSes JustJohnny has been posting in the forums:
04:02:06LloreanI really like the fact that he's starting with the screen size on his topics.
04:02:42LloreanBut those are WPSes I might use.
04:02:57FebsYup. I agree with the people who've suggested that they be made the default theme.
04:03:51HTDif i never play any games can i delete the plugins folder?
04:04:03FebsThere are more than games in the plugins folder.
04:04:38FebsFor example, if you want to use the "move to random folder" feature, you need to run the associated plug-in first.
04:06:35LloreanFebs: The orange color does kinda clash with the color scheme of most players I think, but I do like it as a better default candidate than the iCatcher. iCatcher is nice looking but it feels too strongly iPod inspired to me.
04:07:25FebsWell, it IS the Rockbox color scheme, after all.
04:07:30linuxstb_HTD: Plugins don't affect your battery life if you don't use them though - they just waste a tiny bit of disk space.
04:07:32Febs(Like it or not.)
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04:08:47HTDwhat about disk spin?
04:08:54HTDdisk spindown
04:09:05LloreanFebs: Yeah, and I like the orange, I just think a lot of other people will say it's too harsh for a WPS.
04:09:22Mikachuyou shouldn't design a wps based on other people
04:09:27LloreanHTD: Depends on your usage patterns.
04:09:42LloreanMikachu: I already have *my* WPS.
04:10:31HTDmy usage pattern consists of browsing via id3 tags and browsing folders (split about 50/50) and i edit/save playlist a lot
04:11:07LloreanMore or less I meant "how much time do you spend browsing, do you do it often or rarely ever?"
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04:12:14LloreanThen you want Load to RAM, and you want disk spindown to be the shortest possible time that doesn't cause it to spin down *while* you're browsing. If you use both Dircache and TagCache in RAM, you should have the spindown at the lowest.
04:12:47linuxstb_If you keep changing your mind about what you want to listen to, Rockbox will waste a lot of battery buffering music you never listen to.
04:13:11LloreanRockbox does kinda expect you to be decisive.
04:13:18HTDwell i dont change
04:13:28HTDlike i said i spend sometime edit/saving playlist
04:13:39HTDwhen i browse through music i add them to playlist
04:13:41HTDnot change the song
04:15:11HTDi have 3k songs and going (about to add 631 tonight) and rockbox allows me for the first time to make/save playlist that will be playback by my player
04:15:13HTDso yeah
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04:18:51HTDwhats car adapter mode?
04:19:02HTDif i use a tapedeck should i enable it?
04:19:21LloreanHTD: For questions like that you should simply consult the manual
04:20:17HTDokay thanks for your help everyone ill see if this will help
04:20:22HTDhave a good night
04:20:24HTDsee ya
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06:22:25Mouser_XWell, I must say, Rockboy works as a useable GBS player.
06:22:37Mouser_XIt's certainly far from good, but it's usuable.
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08:01:54Hdaackdahi guys. just a suggestion for the playlist (rockbox ipod video 5.5G): We can add the Music directory in ipod_control (with the add recursive directories option ON) and all our ipod songs can be played on rockbox. it creates a playlist
08:02:52Hdaackdaonly drawback. It doesnt display the song information in the list. as in it will only display file names (four or five letter) like XJJF or JFHJR etc. It does display the info once a song is played but there is no way to know before playing one which one is which
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08:24:06BHSPitLappyis arm-elf-gcc 3.4.3 preferable for the iPod targets?
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08:29:05scorcheBHSPitLappy: see CrossCompiler for suggested versions
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08:36:12Hdaackdais there any way the playlist can show somg titles instead of the filenames?
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08:52:52BHSPitLappyoh dear
08:52:59BHSPitLappymetronome.c is terrifying
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08:53:36BHSPitLappyI have little to no programming experience, but that looks like it could be a -lot- shorter :)
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09:43:45Tandocquick question, is it possible on an ipod to use both rockbox and original apple firmware and have both playback from the same set of files?
09:45:49Tandocok i'm sold
09:45:57Tandocis it on the wiki/manual?
09:46:07Tandoc... because i can't seem to find it
09:46:20scorcheread about the Database feature
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09:47:03scorchemy thoughts exactly
09:47:09aliaskG'day scorche
09:47:17Tandoc <−− this would be it, yes?
09:47:44scorcheTandoc: no...that is a script for converting it on your computer and i do not know if it it up to date
09:47:47aliaskYeah that's the other way though
09:47:50scorcheas i said, read the manual
09:48:10aliaskIf you wanted to do it that way you can't use the folder method, only tagcache
09:48:15aliaskor Database as it's now called
09:48:34Tandoci don't mind not using the folder method
09:48:45Tandocused to browsing the ipod way
09:48:47aliaskWell that won't work for that script
09:48:56aliaskI'll explain on msn
09:49:19scorchedont worry about the script and just read the manual...
09:49:32Tandocahh he's explaining anyway
09:50:12aliaskWas it FB2K that generated the iTunesDB?
09:50:54scorchesomething about a foo_dop plugin, but dont ask me...i dont use the nonsense ;)
09:51:50aliaskI've never used the ipod firmware on my mini :)
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10:29:36Tandocyay thx to all the devs!
10:29:50Tandocand you linuxstb!
10:29:59Tandocfinally back to using rockbox
10:31:03DataGhostlol linuxstb :P
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11:21:31DataGhostI may have fat32 reads in the iPL bootloader :P
11:27:40linuxstbDataGhost: No-one here either... Any progress with the kernel?
11:27:57DataGhosteh. no
11:28:05DataGhostbut i think it's now reading my kernel off fat32
11:28:10DataGhostwith the iPL loader2
11:28:34DataGhostI have waaay to much debugging output enabled by the way
11:28:37DataGhostit's taking ages
11:28:57DataGhost <- I got that last night
11:29:09DataGhostI've gone some further now, but at least it shows disk reads :)
11:29:25DataGhostit just displayed a screen.. but it's the progress thingy
11:29:32DataGhostoh it's reading negative sectors now
11:30:39DataGhostand at the moment, it crashes when I even *touch* the wheel
11:30:52DataGhostso it's still a long way :P
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11:33:29DataGhostnow to modify the fat32 code
11:33:33DataGhostit's reading something allright
11:33:40DataGhostbut it doesn't really work afterwards :P
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12:13:43DataGhostlol, this is so annoying
12:13:50DataGhostif this works I'll have fat32 reads
12:13:53DataGhostbut now ext3 is broken :P
12:15:05sneakumsi tried hacking up ata_read_sectors like i had talked about before, but i think i got it wrong. although the bootloader runs well enough to tell me it didn't find any partitions, and told me how to reboot the ipod. and it noticed me toggling the hold switch.
12:15:42DataGhostit's slow as hell... but at least it's attempting to read a kernel image off fat32 now
12:16:09DataGhostload succeeded... jmp to 10000000
12:16:11DataGhostand it's dead again
12:16:29DataGhostit doesnt crash anymore
12:16:36DataGhostwhen I touch the wheel :)
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12:18:03linuxstbIf it crashes when you jmp to 10000000, then the reads have probably been misreading the data.
12:18:25DataGhostyes that's what I guessed already
12:18:31DataGhostsince it's misread everything the last time :P
12:18:43linuxstbYou should try loading Rockbox - Rockbox has a checksum in the header, and the loader will then tell you if the checksum fails.
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12:25:01JdGordonlinuxstb: re your q about loading 2 cue sheets, I beilive its because only the metadata for the current and next tracks are buffered
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12:31:34DataGhostlinuxstb as I thought, I made an error in my modified ata functions
12:31:48DataGhostinstead of reading sector 293 (test case) it read sector 292
12:40:30linuxstbJdGordon: AFAIK, Rockbox buffers the metadata for up to 32 tracks - the maximum number that can be in the buffer at one time.
12:40:57JdGordonoh ok, im probably wrong then
12:41:58linuxstbWhich is why everyone wants metadata-on-buffer - so we can remove the 32-track limit (to enable lots of very short tracks to be buffered) and also save memory when buffering things like cuesheets and album art.
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14:22:17NINJ4is it possible to build the rockbox database on the pc?
14:24:31barrywardelli think tools/ in SVN might do it
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14:25:37NINJ4now i just need to install a perl interpreter :P
14:27:01barrywardellyou're probably better off rebuilding it on you device though
14:30:01linuxstbtools/database.c is a better option, but the paths are hard-coded and I can't remember exactly how it works... But it uses the regular Rockbox database and metadata parsing code so processes all formats that Rockbox supports.
14:30:19linuxstbI think only supports MP3, and maybe Vorbis.
14:30:54NINJ4that's alright, just wondering why taking so long to create the first database
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14:39:10GodEaterLinusN: should you get around to reading this log, Dataghost has confirmed your suspicion that the drive in the 80GB doesn't like being given odd numbered sectors to start reading from. Just thought you should know.
14:44:02dewdudeok, this is bizarre. my 5.5 ipod just started reading files all screwey..i got a codec failure on an mpc whenever i load a song, it's always like, 10 seconds into the song
14:44:07dewdudebut the counter says it's the beginning
14:44:27dewdudeor it plays the last 15 seconds of the song before it
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14:50:25linuxstbamiconn: Are you around?
14:50:54*dewdude scratches his head
14:51:06dewdudereboot solved it....but i don't know about that codec failure error i got.
14:51:57dewdudebah...nvm. it's all working now. *mumbles about wtf it did that for and heads for work*
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15:33:39JdGordonBagder: needs to be fixed (incase you didnt know about it)
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15:42:05linuxstbMy methodology might be flawed, but I've done some rough ATA reading speed tests on my H140, 60GB ipod Photo and 30GB ipod Video (5g) - H140 is about 7.7Mbit/s, Photo is about 3.5Mbit/s and Video is about 5.4Mbit/s (with CPU boosted, I haven't tried without).
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15:47:37Soapall three dual-platter discs? or just the H140?
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15:50:58barrywardellany comments on FS #6554? anyone want to test it?
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15:54:20n1sbarrywardell: Regarding your last comment on FS #6421 The only thing that's holding a commit up is for someone to give the go ahead, really. But of course testing on other targets would be nice although I think the testing that has been done should be enough.
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15:55:09barrywardelln1s: are there not problems with disk poweroff on player and x5? iirc amiconn mentioned something about it before
15:55:47n1sYes, on some players it crashes, but it is disabled for player builds in svn anyway, and I didn't enable it
15:55:53n1son x5 I dunno
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15:56:47JdGordonbarrywardell: iirc, the h300 bootloader build doesnt create a workable bin atm, so i guess dont worry if that patch breaks it for it
15:58:21barrywardellJdGordon: ok, thanks for pointing that out
15:58:34Soapso do ipods not have ata power off?
15:58:42barrywardelln1s: i might be making that up about the x5
15:59:01barrywardellSoap: nobody has figured out how
15:59:09n1sbarrywardell: It is enabled for x5 so someone testing would be nice
15:59:18JdGordonbarrywardell: I mean, the compile works, but patching the firmware doesnt, so as long as it still compiles yyou should be right
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15:59:44Moosbarrywardell: always using disk power of on my X5 without problems
16:00:28n1sMoos: care to test the patch?
16:00:51Moossure, but no compiler here, then make me a build ;)
16:01:39Mooswhat does it for btw, suposed to fix something?
16:02:04barrywardellit just makes disk poweroff always be on and removes the option
16:02:05n1snope, just removes the option an permanently enables, disk poweroff
16:02:16n1sdarn, you beat me :-P
16:03:16Moosah this patch, ok :)
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16:05:30Moosok, let's test it
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16:09:30Moosall seems to working ok...
16:10:05n1scould you check under system options ->disk to see if the option is really gone (just to make sure)
16:10:17Moosyeap already checked ;)
16:10:23n1sok, thanks
16:10:25Moosthe option went out
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16:28:24linuxstbSoap: AFAIK, the H140 (40GB) and Photo (60GB) are dual-platter, the Video (30GB) is single-platter.
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16:29:16SoapI was just curious if the photo was a single platter drive - and if that was _a_ cause of the significantly lower numbers.
16:29:40*entheh wonders who here wanted a fixed-point version of DUMB
16:30:04crwllwell, who wouldn't want one :)
16:30:07Soapis this a test I could easily reproduce on my 60GB video to see if single vs. dual makes any difference?
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16:30:30linuxstbYes, I can give you a patch.
16:30:53linuxstbIt's a test plugin, plus a small change to the plugin API to export the ATA read/write functions (I don't do any writing though).
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16:32:57Soapdo I need to manually boost my player to reproduce your conditions?
16:33:07linuxstbNo, the plugin boosts.
16:33:23linuxstbThe exact timings I get on my 5g are 98 ticks (5349kbit/s) and 384 ticks (5461kbit/s), sometimes varying by 1 tick, but pretty consistent.
16:34:34linuxstb(a 5MB and a 20MB read)
16:35:54Soapany reason to believe it will matter if I compile with 32MB buffer vs 64MB buffer?
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16:36:13linuxstbIt grabs the audio buffer, which will be more than 20MB in both cases.
16:36:34Soapwill the COP patch impact the numbers?
16:37:02linuxstbIt shouldn't do - no other threads should be busy.
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16:41:27MikachuTEST 1: Read into an aligned buffer
16:41:30MikachuTEST 2: Read into an aligned buffer
16:41:35Mikachuthat doesn't make much sense :)
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16:47:33Brunellus_wow. when did the Sansa e200 port begin?
16:48:12linuxstbAbout 8 or 9 months ago I think.
16:48:25Brunellus_this is what I get for not keeping up
16:48:43Brunellus_how functional is support for the Sansa e200?
16:48:54linuxstbJune 2006 to be precise, so only about 7 months.
16:49:04n1sHow would I make this work for files with spaces in their names ? for i in *.bmp; do convert $i $i.png; done
16:49:23Brunellus_n1s, in bash?
16:49:24linuxstbThere's no audio playback, but I think all the other major features are working.
16:49:31n1sBrunellus_: yes
16:49:37linuxstbJust put $i in quotes - do convert "$i" "$i.png"
16:49:40Brunellus_n1s, you'd need to treat the files as literals,
16:49:40Mikachun1s: "$i"
16:49:42Brunellus_yeah, in quotes
16:49:46Mikachuor use zsh
16:49:52n1sah, thanks guys
16:50:00Brunellus_foo on you and your zsh. :p
16:50:05Brunellus_I'm only just learning bash....
16:50:33Brunellus_everything works but audio? h'm.
16:51:08Brunellus_Here's me crossing my fingers for a successful e200 port. I've been thinking about one of those and rockbox would make it perfect for me.
16:51:26linuxstbYes, but progress is being made on that front - the audio DAC embedded in the PortalPlayer chip has been identified, and progress seems to be made on persuading the company that makes it to give us some datasheets.
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16:53:29Brunellus_that's great!
16:53:39linuxstbMikachu: Fancy running that test_ata.c plugin on your Nano? You'll need to make sure there's a 20MB audio buffer (or change the plugin).
16:53:54Brunellus_now that I've fixed the tagging on my files, I'm a big rockbox fanboy.
16:54:15Mikachulinuxstb: would having a smaller buffer give an undefined instruction error?
16:54:29linuxstbProbably - it would be overwriting the plugin...
16:54:44linuxstbHow big is your plugin buffer?
16:55:04Mikachuaround 21MB i think
16:55:09linuxstbYou could use rb->plugin_get_buffer instead then.
16:55:18preglowwhy do you have a 20 meg plugin buffer?
16:55:32Mikachui wanted to view jpgs while listening to music
16:55:48preglowbig jpegs too, then
16:55:53Mikachuand the nano doesn't have spinup/down times anyway
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16:57:10Mikachuwell, the output doesn't quite fit on screen, but it says 4681 and 4660
16:57:24linuxstbYou're just missing the kbit/s at the end.
16:57:35linuxstbSo somewhere between the Photo and Video then.
16:57:41*Soap is still compiling
16:58:35linuxstbThere seems to be a limit to the number of sectors you can pass to ata_read_sectors(), but I'm not sure if that's intentional, or a bug in ata_read_sectors().
17:00:17Mikachuat 42mhz i get 2630
17:00:59Soapalmost exactly as the math would predict.
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17:04:22Mikachuthis is probably the strangest unit ever, but it's 62.41 kbit/(MHz * s) at 75 MHz and 62.62 at 42MHz :)
17:04:48Mikachuactually that's millibits
17:05:40Mikachufinally i have a real example when people say it's okay to write mb for megabytes
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17:18:28Soapgrr. I applied the patch successfully, did my configure, did my make - and I don't have a test_ata.rock
17:20:06Mikachuyou have to add it to SOURCES
17:20:28Mikachuin apps/plugins
17:20:32*linuxstb forgot to patch SOURCES...
17:21:20Mikachuit's kbit/s, not kB/s?
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17:21:48linuxstbYes, KB/s...
17:21:58Mikachugood, otherwise it would have sucked :)
17:22:06linuxstbIt still sucks...
17:22:17Mikachui get 4.4MB/s through usb too
17:22:37linuxstbI get around 9MB/s via USB on my video - and about 5.4MB/s in Rockbox.
17:22:59linuxstb(if "dd" can be believed when I write the firmware partition)
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17:23:30SoapOk, I'm looking in SOURCES. and it is not apparent to me where to add it.
17:23:33Mikachuthis was read speed, write speed is harder to measure due to cache
17:23:38MikachuSoap: the first line is a good choice
17:23:39linuxstbJust add it at the top.
17:23:56Soapno need for path?
17:24:30linuxstbNo. And you are editing apps/plugins/SOURCES ?
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17:24:58Soapnope, just apps - will fix.
17:25:17Soaplast stupid question, do I need to run configure again, or just make clean and make?
17:25:24linuxstbJust make should work.
17:25:38linuxstbYou should see it building test_ata
17:26:59SoapI will check when I'm done - I always make >& make.log so I can see what scrolls off the screen easily.
17:27:25Mikachuyou know you can scroll terminals too right? :)
17:27:49SoapI'm not running the prompt through X.
17:28:20*linuxstb has forgotten how to do scrollback in the console
17:28:23Mikachuthe linux terminal also scrolls
17:28:43Mikachui think it was in 2.6.18 they added software scrollback, so it persists even if you switch vts, and longer than 2 screens, etc
17:28:47SoapI have read that shift+pageup should scroll bash, but it isn't for me.
17:29:03Overandanother option is to run inside a terminal multiplexer
17:29:04Overandlike screen
17:29:13Soapso I either >& or | less
17:29:24Mikachu2>&1 | less
17:29:34linuxstbor &>
17:30:09Mikachuor less <(make 2>&1)
17:30:17linuxstbOr install X...
17:30:32Mikachuat any rate the build should be done now
17:30:42Soapmy build? haha
17:31:08linuxstbSoap: You could have just asked me for a build...
17:31:36linuxstbIt's been an hour now :)
17:31:40SoapThe wait doesn't bother me - if it is impacting you I'm sorry.
17:31:51linuxstbNo, no problem at all.
17:32:04Mikachuan hour? i thought it was just 5 minutes ago he fixed SOURCES
17:32:07linuxstbI've forgotten why I gave you the patch now...
17:32:08*Mikachu probably missed a joke
17:32:29Soapdual platter vs single platter test.
17:32:30linuxstbI gave Soap the patch an hour ago.
17:32:42Mikachuah okay
17:32:49*Soap would have been done by now if linuxstb had patched SOURCEs.
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17:32:56Soap(big S even)
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17:33:00*linuxstb guilty as charged
17:33:56SoapIf I use a different directory for every build - it defeats ccache doesn't it?
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17:34:39linuxstbNo, I don't think so.
17:35:01linuxstbYou mean a different source tree, or a different build directory?
17:35:12Soapdifferent build directoy.
17:35:27linuxstbThat should be OK I think.
17:35:42Soapbecause that time it only took 8 minutes instead of 40
17:35:59Soapand that is the first time I have ever built in the same directory twice.
17:36:01Mikachu40 minutes? are you compiling on an atari?
17:36:22Mikachuif any include file has changed, ccache is defeated
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17:38:30Soap(that one only took 8 minutes because it failed)
17:40:02Soapdon't mind me - I
17:40:07Soap'll get it
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17:46:18Soapoh, and Mikachu, about my "Atari" - you should have see how long it took me with cgywin.
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17:51:46linuxstbWe're safe to talk now.
17:52:17Mikachucontradictory hostname
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18:02:18Zer0hi can someone tell me if i can upload .mp4a and .mp3 and .wma music files
18:02:29Zer0on my ipod 30gb photo
18:02:37Mikachuyou don't want to know if you can play them?
18:02:52Zer0well i want to know if i can play them
18:02:54Zer0and hear them
18:03:03Zer0.wma doesnt seem to work
18:03:10Zer0so wondering which ones do work
18:03:22Zer0and if theres a way to get .wma to work
18:03:30Zer0using rockbox of course
18:03:31linuxstbRockbox doesn't play wma or encrypted m4a.
18:03:46Zer0wut files does it play
18:03:48linuxstbIt supports mp3, and both AAC and ALAC in mp4.
18:04:00linuxstbPlus lots and lots more - see the SoundCodecs wiki page.
18:04:07linuxstb(the table at the bottom)
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18:04:52Zer0but is there like a plugin to get .wma to work
18:05:01PaulPositionZero - Nope.
18:05:32linuxstbIf there was, it would be included with Rockbox.
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18:05:48Zer0that kinda suck because URGE only lets u download .wma
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18:06:06Zer0and its too much work to burn and than extract .mp3
18:06:25linuxstbIf they are protected with DRM, Rockbox wouldn't play them anyway, even with a wma codec.
18:06:44PaulPositionZero - Sorry.. There might be wma support some day, but never DRMed file support..
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18:09:45SimpsonI have a Gigabeat, and I recently added a few hundred Game Boy ROMs to a single folder, but when I tried to view it, it said that the directory buffer was full. Any chance the size of the buffer could be increased, or should I just work on splitting all the ROMs up into different folders?
18:10:28Mikachuthere's an option
18:10:58PaulPositionSimpson: General Settings->Files->limits or some such setting... Push it further, defaults at 400 files.
18:11:16SimpsonAny downside to increasing it?
18:11:26Soapless audio buffer
18:11:33Soapslightly less
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18:11:53SimpsonAh, ok thanks :)
18:11:55PaulPositionSimpson - Correction, it's General Settings->System->limits.. :)
18:13:10SimpsonYup, there it is, thank you.
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18:16:06Soapwow - the mailing list etiquette mail went over like a lead balloon
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18:18:12Brunellus_netiquette? that's something that they used to have in the '90s, right?
18:19:06foolshCan someone help me out... I'm compiling the e200 UI Simulator and it compiles just fine, but when I run rockboxui it runs only to splash the warning "no .rockbox direcrory" "Installation incomplete" but make install put /.rockbox in my /archos
18:19:25foolshim lost
18:19:54PaulPositionFoolsh - After 'make' you need to 'make install' ...
18:20:03PaulPositionOh.. sorry.
18:20:10foolshit's ok
18:20:13PaulPositionDidn't read properly. Uh...
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18:21:24foolshi'm compiling the ipod nano sim to see if its just e200 thats broke
18:21:48DonZanyone here can help me with my e200 ?
18:22:04foolshit depends
18:22:46DonZwhen i start ma e200 there is a screen that says : rock box boot loader error
18:23:32foolshdid it ever work before? or is a new problem?
18:23:54DonZrockbox error - 1 . my computer dont recognize my player ...
18:26:39DonZstill here ?
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18:27:02foolshusb on the sansa can only detect if its plugged in for now no transfers are possible. did you install .rockbox directory and the rockbox.e200 files?
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18:28:06DonZyes , but there was an screen after installing that says formatting player
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18:28:38DonZi have plugged the player into my computer , but my computer dont recognize
18:29:28foolshsounds like you'll have to reinstall your firmware and try again hang on i'll give you the steps
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18:32:48barrywardellDonZ: you didn't unzip to your sansa
18:33:25barrywardellfoolsh: the sansa sim should work fine. it did last time i tried
18:33:35DonZi have , but it removed itself , dont know y
18:33:58DonZhow i can use my player now ?
18:34:02barrywardellDonZ: ok. that's weird
18:34:21barrywardellyou'll need to put an original sansa firmware on in recovery mode
18:34:40DonZhow i do that ?
18:35:36barrywardellhave you got an original mi4 file handy?
18:35:41foolsh@barrywardell - thanks i'll keep poking around then
18:36:26barrywardellDonZ: make sure it's powered off. switch hold on, hold record then plug the usb cable in
18:36:39barrywardellit should appear as a 16MB disk
18:37:15barrywardellno copy ONLY PP5022.mi4 over (it might be named differently if you had the new 1.3 firmware one it
18:37:47DonZthe player does not start
18:38:02DonZah , now
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18:38:22DonZdont hav an m4i file
18:38:38barrywardellwhat firmware version did you have before?
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18:39:04DonZthe new
18:39:36DonZthere is just the version txt file on the player now
18:40:02barrywardellwhat does version.txt say?
18:40:15Soaplinuxstb_: two hours later ;) I get 5405 and 5504 on my 60GB 5th gen. Did you know all along dual platter would make no difference?
18:40:19barrywardellit's a special recovery mode so won't show your files
18:40:25DonZVersion Info: Product Rev.:
18:40:39barrywardellmake sure not to copy anything over to it except an mi4 file
18:41:42DonZwhere can i get an suitable mi4 file ?">
18:42:56foolshit's the 1.02.12 version it's what i use to fix my mistakes
18:43:23foolshmaek sure your sansa is not a e200r series player
18:43:39foolshjust e200
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18:44:18DonZnow theres the rockbox screen again
18:44:25DonZthe failure screen
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18:45:10webguest04is there anyone here he can help someone with some real nooby questions
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18:45:40webguest05Just curious is an admin from flyspray online. I am not getting my activation email for my account to get in the forums. Username: DemoRic
18:45:40DonZwhat should ill do now ?
18:45:47Soapprobably over 100, but you won't get an answer if you don't ask your question, webguest04
18:45:51foolsh@ Donz restart it in recovery mode
18:45:54webguest04kk thnx
18:46:07DonZi have , what now ?
18:46:24webguest04i loaded rthe client and everything, i want to know how to load plugins and change themes
18:46:30webguest04i have an iaudio x5
18:46:40Soapwhat have you read of the manual so far?
18:46:51webguest04most of it
18:47:01foolsh@ Donz hang on im uploading a zip file
18:47:08DonZah , k
18:47:10webguest04basically i am asking how to change themes and plugins
18:47:13Soapand what part of changing themes isn't covered in the maual?
18:47:16DonZthx dood
18:47:27webguest04it doesn't say how to actually do it">
18:47:44Soapit doesn't?
18:48:01foolsh@Donz unzip this but ONLY copy over the mi4 file
18:48:09webguest04if it did it was wedged into alot of techno mumble jumbo, that i don't really want to read
18:48:25webguest04give me a sec
18:48:25DonZnow , lets see
18:48:45barrywardellDonZ: had you previously updated to the beta 1.03... firmware
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18:49:03webguest04my iaudio will not let me get to general settings
18:49:06webguest04that is my problem
18:49:15FebsSure it will.
18:49:19Soapdo you have a broken hardware button?
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18:49:31DonZi had the latest version
18:49:43webguest04let me try something
18:49:52webguest04yeah i have a kinda broken button
18:50:00webguest04i think i got it
18:50:05webguest04thnx for helping my noobiness
18:50:11DonZTHANKS to both of you ! it works !
18:50:24foolsh@ DonZ your welcome
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18:50:56DonZ*really happy*
18:51:03foolsh@ DonZ do you need help installing rockbox?
18:51:22DonZhmmm i think yes , before i will have an deja vu
18:51:39Febswebguest04: your other question about plugins can be answered here:
18:52:50foolsh@DonZ hang on im uploading a OF.bin file save this some where
18:53:22FebsNote that we have very cleverly cloaked the title of that chapter in techno mumbo-jumbo by calling it "Plugins."
18:54:00webguest04i'm not an idiot
18:54:04webguest04simply kinda high right now
18:54:12Soapyea, I didn't even address that question. "Themes" I can understand trouble finding with a quick glance. "Plugins" blew my mind.
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18:54:49foolsh@DonZ save this to your computer
18:54:54webguest04well see, i know how to do the themes, i press the rec/a−−b button, but it will not change
18:55:29webguest04is there anyway i can change the skin of the menuplayer
18:55:33foolsh@DonZ and this one
18:55:37SoapYou will get more lovign tech support if you sober up.
18:55:44webguest04no thnx
18:55:45*Febs was just thinking the same thing.
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18:56:10webguest04hey dude, smoking a wakeboarding all day is a sweet life
18:56:14foolsh@DonZ copy over the PP5022.mi4 file to the root directory of your player
18:56:21webguest04smoking and wakeboarding
18:56:21webguest05I'm having a problem with a compiled version of rockbox. I have Video ipod, built one from the CVS, and it will load, but I don't get sound.
18:56:29webguest04srry hard to type, keyboard kinda blurry
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18:56:57webguest05I hear sound initialize (I hear a pop), but it seems the mp3 decoder isn't working.
18:57:03foolsh@Donz unzip the rockbox file and copy over the .rockbox directory and the rockbox.e200 file
18:57:59foolsh@DonZ copy the the OF.bin file to the /system directory of the sansa ,it may be hidden on windows im not sure
18:58:06Soapwebguest05: and if you download one of the SVN or daily builds?
18:59:06foolsh@DonZ safely remove the sansa after all the files are copied over
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18:59:34webguest75how do I install doom 2 on my ipod
18:59:35foolsh@Donz cross fingers and eyes
19:00:17DonZwhat is that bin file ?
19:00:29foolshoriginal firmware for dual boot
19:01:03foolshhold |<< while powering up to start the OF.bin
19:01:25foolshso you can connect your computer to your sansa and transfer files
19:01:26webguest05The daily build from 1-16 works, but the SVN from 1-19 and 1-20 don't decode audio.
19:01:36webguest75febs: where do I put doom2.wad
19:01:57DonZhm rockbox startet but nothing is working
19:02:20webguest75where do i put doom2.wad
19:02:21FebsWebguest75: Read the sentence follow the words "getting started."
19:02:22DonZwhen i want to play sumthin there are pink "dont know what"s
19:03:12webguest75yah but do i need doom1?
19:03:24foolsh@ DonZ sound doesn't work yet but you can play gameboy games and doom
19:03:26webguest75do i replace doom1.wad with doom2.wad?
19:03:57DonZah , okay ^^ thank u ! have u got icq or msn ?
19:04:07webguest75Do I replace doom1.wad with doom2.wad?
19:04:43DonZthere is a screen , when i want to start a game "missing base.wad"
19:04:59foolsh@DonZ neither if you want to contact me or here
19:05:33Febs"For the game to run you need .wad game files located in /.rockbox/doom/ on your player."
19:05:45Febs"Copy all Doom wads you wish to play into that directory."
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19:07:10foolsh@DonZ BTW power off doesn't off to well either you'll have to hold the power button down for 15 seconds to switch off
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19:08:46DonZi recognized ;) , but tell me , how i can play doom ? the player tells me that a basic wad is missing
19:09:36webguest75Download it
19:10:11DonZbtw i love the player , just the front side is fastly full of fingerprints ...
19:10:30foolshthat is being discused right here right now with febs and webguest75
19:12:23DonZthats all for now , thanks a lot , see ya
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19:12:30webguest75My thing says when I load an addon This wad does not follow doomg raphic standarrds
19:12:44Soapthen that wad won't work.
19:12:49SoapNot all .wad files are kosher
19:14:11foolshopps to late
19:14:31SoapThat WAD is non-standard. That WAD will not work. Not all .WAD files were created to the original standard. Some .WAD files use hacks not supported by the version of Doom ported to Rockbox. Those .WAD files are not kosher.
19:14:57webguest75okay I have the shareware doom. and I have a file called halflife with 4 files in it doom2.wad .doomrc and idoom
19:15:07webguest75and registerkey
19:15:32Soapok? If it doesn't work it doesn't work.
19:15:52webguest75do i need doom2
19:15:53SoapThere is no magic spell I have to make a non-standard .wad file work.
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19:16:53webguest75where do i get a standard??
19:17:02Febs"The needed files can be found at"
19:17:22FebsEVERY single question you are asking is clearly answered on the page of the manual that we've already pointed you to.
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19:20:32webguest75It says I can use deutex How do i do that to change the graphixs?
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19:21:04jtalusiki would love to use rockbox but all my music is WMA
19:21:46Febswebguest75: did you read the deutex link?
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19:23:22webguest75u noe what?
19:23:22webguest75Fuck you
19:23:27webguest75Fuck you to hell
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19:23:55foolshyou know what?
19:24:02Soaphe's gone foolsh
19:24:43Soapfeeding the trolls is never a good idea regardless.
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19:25:05FebsI don't think he was a troll. I think that he was just lazy.
19:25:13foolshor stupid
19:25:21foolshmaybe both
19:25:33SoapI was refering to talking back after that outburst - not anything said before
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19:27:28foolshI'm trying the rockbox trunk instead of the rockbox-devel trunk to see if the simulator will run correctly for me if not I think I'm truly at a loss
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19:29:56steadi have developed a tool to upload .scrobbler.log files.. could someone with acces please add me to wiki edit list, or pop the url on there?
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19:30:22foolshmake install
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19:32:32foolshno it still gives me the "no .rockbox directory" I'm out time for bed thanks anyway
19:33:04Febsstead, what is your wiki name?
19:33:19DemoricFinally able to login (it's been ages since I've used IRC) I have a problem with a build I made from todays SVN. It won't play mp3 audio. However it initializes the sound ship as I hear a pop.
19:34:04Soapwhat target Demoric?
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19:35:32Demoric@lubiix908 30Gb ipod video (Gen 5)
19:36:19SoapWhat patches are you using? I created a stock video build an hour ago and had no problems.
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19:37:16DemoricI have builds that others have made from 1-16 that work, but I'm wanting to start building my own. (and apply patches later).
19:37:50SoapYou said "a build I made from today's SVN"...
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19:38:13Soapso I'm confused now.
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19:39:47FebsSoap, ironically, I just experienced the false "very low battery" issue for the first time in a while..
19:39:48Demoric@Soap, yes I downloaded from the SVN today and created a build today. I was just trying to say that I have used some rockbox.ipod files that other people have made that work.
19:40:41SoapDemoric: did you download a made build, or did you download source and compile yourself? I'm still confused.
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19:41:26Demoric@Soap I d/l the source and I'm having problems with the compile I created.
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19:41:43Soapdid it _appear_ to compile clean?
19:42:58DemoricEverything seemed okay, I made a buildlog.txt
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19:48:14Demoric@Soap, the ipod boots into rockbox just fine, everything works (except audio). It even shows the wps acting like it's playing. Just no audio. It's a clean build from the svn no patches applied.
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19:51:31Demorichi HireW0lf
19:51:38FireW0lfcan rockbox play videos on an ipod video? some plugin perhaps?
19:52:05Demoricnot yet you still have to boot into the ipod's original firmware
19:52:12LloreanDemoric: This is untrue.
19:52:25LloreanThe mpegplayer can play some video files, though right now only small ones.
19:52:33FireW0lfk - how do i boot into orig ipod fw tho?
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19:52:48DemoricReally? I didn't know about the mpegplayer.
19:53:52Demoric@FireW0lf Hold down the play button until your rockbox shuts down, Press Menu+Select, and then hold Menu while your ipod is booting up.
19:53:58LloreanYup. It works somewhat well if you've got the kernel_on_cop patch, or on the coldfire targets, though it still needs a awful lot of work to be considered 'good'
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19:54:44FireW0lfah - handy - thx
19:55:01FireW0lfso - is gcc installed on rockbox, so i could perhaps compile vlc for it?
19:55:11LloreanRockbox isn't linux.
19:55:21FireW0lfits not?
19:55:37BHSPitMonkeydoes jdgordon still make appearances here?
19:55:41LloreanIt's a from scratch firmware, not based on Linux.
19:55:50LloreanBHSPitMonkey: Occasionally, yeah.
19:56:46DemoricI'm having a devil of a time just getting my compile to play audio from todays svn. This is the first time I've compiled rockbox myself. I really don't know what's wrong with the compile, everything else seems to work just no audio output.
19:57:01LloreanDemoric: Are you using any patches?
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19:57:27DemoricLlorean: no patches, I'm starting simple then I'll apply patches.
19:57:48LloreanWhat happens when you try to play music?
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19:58:15MikachuDemoric: are you running make zip and unzipping on the device, or just copying the file?
19:58:30LloreanMikachu: That was my next question, if he said "Codec error" or something similar. :-P
19:58:49Mikachui'm impatient :)
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19:59:15DemoricIt shows the wps and acts like it's decoding/playing, it's just there's no sound. I know the sound is initialized when rockbox starts on boot-up (I hear a pop), but that's all I'll hear.
19:59:39DemoricIt properly parses the file for ID3, so I"m at a loss.
20:00:26Mikachuis the volume turned up?
20:00:51FireW0lfso is anyone working on an avi player for rockbox, do you know?
20:01:39LloreanFireW0lf: Just mpegplayer.
20:01:40DemoricLOL, Yes, the volume is turned up.. If I try a compiled version that someone ELSE made on 1-16 it plays just fine.
20:02:06steadFebs: my name is PaulStead, but I've not got the email through yet...
20:02:17stead*reg email that is
20:02:18LloreanDemoric: And you're using all the official instructions regarding which GCC version to use etc?
20:03:08DemoricI followed the instructions at and I'm using Cygwin.
20:03:36LloreanDemoric: And as mikachu asked, you're doing 'Make zip' right?
20:03:47steadahh it was in the spam box :)
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20:05:10DemoricMake zip, creates a file called in my build folder, and it APPEARS to have everything in the zip file that is required.
20:05:55Febsstead: I've added you to the TwikiUsersGroup so you should be able to edit now.
20:07:12steadthank you :)
20:07:34Demoric@Llorean *sorry didn't scroll back. Yes I'm unzipping the contents to my ipod.
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20:13:05DemoricI ran svn update, and I'm making another build. Maybe this one will work.
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20:17:09Soapwhen you do the configure - what version of arm-elf-gcc are you told it is using?
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20:20:29DemoricOkay, I have a buildlog, and a new file that I'll extract to my iPod Video and see if it works.
20:20:52Soap4.0.3 is the recomended version...I don't know if that is your problem or now. I was using an even older still version (3.3.6) without problems.
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20:24:14DemoricThe arm-elf-gcc only shows 4.0.2-1 as the most recent version in Cygwin Setup.
20:24:25Demoric*testing ipod now
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20:26:49DemoricStill no sound
20:28:50LloreanSoap: I use 4.0.2 without problem, it's the version our daily build server uses and what we distribute with VMWare as well
20:29:38LloreanDemoric: When you "svn update" you don't get any merges?
20:29:47Llorean"svn diff" doesn't show anything?
20:30:03Soapgood to know Llorean.
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20:31:24DemoricRunning svn diff now, (waiting on programs response)
20:31:51DemoricIt completed, didn't show anthing.
20:33:15LloreanDemoric: Okay, I really don't know what's happening
20:33:30LloreanDemoric: Have you tried deleting the .rockbox folder before you install the new version, and then clearing settings on the first boot with it?
20:33:41DemoricLOL, well that makes 2 of us. I was at a loss.
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20:34:31DemoricI was actually deleting .rockbox as you posted that. How do you clear the settings on first boot?
20:35:00LloreanWhat player?
20:35:15Soapwith the new bootloader (white text on black background) you toggle the hold switch to the on (red) position as soon as you see "Loading Rockbox"
20:35:49Soapyou should see the message "Cleared" appear in the middle of the logo screen during boot after you do that.
20:35:57DemoricOh, okay I'll give that a shot.
20:38:32DemoricSoap: Much thanks that WORKED! Now all I have to do is start playing with patches. =)
20:39:01SoapLlorean suggested the magic bullet, not I.
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20:39:25Soapthank him - he gets more hate mail than George Bush. Show him some love.
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20:40:15LloreanI haven't got George Bush beat yet.
20:40:22LloreanBut I'm workin' on it.
20:41:16Soapcvs co rockbox-devel
20:41:22Soapwas the equivelent to
20:41:32Soapcvs co rockbox-devel
20:41:46Soapwhoa - I ment to say
20:41:52Soapsvn co svn:// rockbox
20:42:34SoapIf I didn't confuse the bejesus out of everyone - what I am asking is if that svn command is the equivelent of that cvs command.
20:42:44LloreanWell, that and the one before it.
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20:42:56SoapLlorean = hatemail+1
20:43:20LloreanThe SVN command in the topic checks out the whole rockbox archive (manual, bootloader, and firmware) and puts it in a folder named "rockbox"
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20:43:25Llorean /trunk is everything
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20:43:38DemoricThanks to both of you actually (but Llorean espically)
20:43:54LloreanSoap: Speaking of hatemail, this month is in a position to potentially be a record month for forum signups.
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20:44:19SoapI dig that, I just wanted to make sure I was replacing the "getcvs" alias in the colinux image with the correct svn equivelent.
20:45:35LloreanThat should do it, yet.
20:45:54ender`alias cvsu='if [ -d CVS ]; then echo -e '\''\033[1mCVS\033[0m'\''; cvs -z3 up -dP; elif [ -d .svn ]; then echo -e '\''\033[1mSVN\033[0m'\''; svn up; else echo -e '\''\033[1;31mNo CVS or .svn directory present\033[0m'\''; fi'
20:47:01Lloreanender`: There should never be a CVS directory present though.
20:47:16LloreanThe CVS repository should not be used. Period. No matter what.
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20:47:47DemoricHey speaking of forums signups, I can't access the forum. It says I need to be authorized, but I don't get the emails to activate my account. (although I can access and post the patches area)
20:47:51ender`i'm using that alias to update both stuff from CVS and SVN - without me having to remember what that certain project uses
20:48:10ender`(yes, i'm lazy)
20:48:23LloreanDemoric: The "patches" area isn't the forum...
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20:48:53LloreanDemoric: But if you tell me the account name you signed up for in the forums, I can go ahead 'n manually authorize it, but be aware that if you don't change the email address you'll never get any sort of email notifications on PMs or anything.
20:49:09DemoricYes, but I'm activated to access patches, but not the forums. (sorry I have a hard time conveying ideas to text)
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20:49:28LloreanDemoric: They're two entirely different things. You have to sign up for the Forums and for the Patch Tracker separately.
20:49:58linuxstb_and don't forget a third sign-up for the wiki if you want to edit it...
20:51:25DemoricI have signed up on the forums, but I don't recieve the email from it to activate my account. It's not in my main box, or junk box.
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20:53:39LloreanDemoric: As I said, tell me the account name and I can activate it, but you won't receive any emails from the forum at that address (you'll have to change to one that it likes, though I still haven't traced what it does or does not like)
20:55:04Demoricaccount name is Demoric, email address is either admin AT or themeadowsfamily AT
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20:56:37LloreanDemoric: Account is now active.
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20:57:42DemoricThank you, for having paitence, and for your help.
20:57:58LloreanI'm a grumpy, irritable guy, but I do help out from time to time.
20:59:13DataGhostlet's see if my modified bootloader can boot rockbox too :)
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20:59:48MikachuLlorean: it's no use pretending, you're always helpful
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21:00:02Bufflibertyhi ppl
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21:00:50BufflibertyLo ?
21:00:54Bufflibertysome1 here ,
21:01:31LloreanBut all you said was "hi ppl" and since this is a support and development channel, we were expecting you to maybe... welll... ask a question.
21:01:51linuxstb_But please spell out your words.
21:01:52Bufflibertyi need support :o
21:02:15Bufflibertyabout rockbox error -4
21:02:16LloreanDon't make me come over there DataGhost
21:02:19DataGhosthehe :P
21:02:58BufflibertyI installed it on my sansa E250 and when i try launch original firmware
21:03:02linuxstb_Buffliberty: Did you safely disconnect your player after installing Rockbox? That means the rockbox.whatever file is corrupt.
21:03:37Bufflibertylet me end explain ;) i had no problem with rockbox system ;)
21:03:42LloreanBuffliberty: The Sansa isn't supported yet. You shouldn't have been trying Rockbox on it if you're not a developer.
21:03:53linuxstb_So what was the -4 error about?
21:04:11Bufflibertyit's when i tryed launch Original Firmware
21:04:15Lloreanlinuxstb_: It sounds like the origianl PP5022.mi4 file. I assume you can get a -4 on original FW too?
21:04:39LloreanWell, if I could spell original.
21:05:15linuxstb_Yes, for the same reason - the read() command can't read the file.
21:05:40Bufflibertyso what can i do ?
21:06:17linuxstb_Try copying your backup to your Sansa again. Run scandisk.
21:06:59Bufflibertythe prob it's i cant copy to sansa ... because i cant see it on window (i cant launch Sansa firmware)
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21:07:27barrywardellyou have to put the original sansa firmware back on in recovery mode
21:07:47Bufflibertycan you explain me how to enter in this mode ?
21:07:48WebsurajCan anbody help me out with this. I cant find mpegplayer in rockbox in my IPOD nano
21:08:14Bufflibertybarrywardell i query you
21:08:33Bufflibertyarg register protection -_-
21:08:35linuxstb_Websuraj: Have you read the PluginMpegplayer wiki page?
21:08:51barrywardellturn it of, switch hold on, hold record, then plug in usb
21:08:51Websurajbut still i cant do open with.. and locate the mpegplayer
21:09:02barrywardellit will start in recovery mode
21:09:10Bufflibertykiss barrywardell (k) luv you :)
21:09:14barrywardellthen copy over a PP5022.mi4 file
21:09:23barrywardellmake sure not to copy over any other files though
21:09:35Bufflibertyyeah sure thx :)
21:09:36Websurajbarrywardell was taht for me !!
21:09:44Websurajow sorry
21:09:52barrywardellWebsuraj: no, for Buffliberty
21:10:09linuxstb_Websuraj: Do your files have the .mpg extension?
21:10:23Websurajyea it does
21:10:36linuxstb_Does it have a "movie" icon next to it?
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21:11:00Websurajwell In windows it does
21:11:17linuxstb_In the Rockbox file browser?
21:11:52Websurajwell I am not exactly sure What movie icon looks like
21:12:14linuxstb_Does it have any icon?
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21:12:22Websurajwait lemme check 1 min
21:12:33WebsurajI was just reuploadin everything
21:12:59SushiPAnyone know of a good program to transfer music from my ipod to my comp? I want to back it up before I install rockbox.
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21:13:53Websuraji knew one
21:13:56DataGhostSushiP with foobar2000 (windows) and the foo_dop plugin, you can copy the files over with the masstagger
21:14:13DataGhostso you can have them in folders like \path\somewhere\artist\album\title.ext
21:14:24SushiPWill all info on the songs stay intact?
21:14:24SushiPLyrics, album art, etc etc
21:14:38DataGhosteh. as long as that's in the ID3 (or whatever tags), yes
21:14:50DataGhostI'm not sure about custom things in the database
21:15:11DataGhostI never alter my music files in iTunes, I make sure they are properly tagged before I use them
21:15:33SushiPThe problem is, I had my hard drive formatted and I couldn't preserve any music.
21:15:36SushiPSo it's on my ipod only.
21:16:05Mikachuinstalling rockbox won't clear anything from your ipod
21:16:11Bufflibertytanks guys for your time now it's working well :)
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21:17:09SushiPIt won't?
21:18:18LloreanNot if you follow the official instructions
21:18:29linuxstbThe idiot-proof instructions...
21:18:38LloreanUnless you have a Mac-iPod, the HFS+ ones
21:19:18Websurajwell guyz
21:19:25Websurajits got a music logo in there
21:19:46linuxstbThen it's not a .mpg file.
21:20:31Websurajok wait than
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21:20:42Websurajlemme check in ipod itself
21:20:56linuxstbWhere were you before?
21:21:19WebsurajI mean via pc
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21:24:48Websurajtx yo
21:24:52Websuraji found out the :d problume
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21:29:52SushiPWow...these instructions really are idiot-proof.
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21:31:01BiptoNlinuxstb_: does the bootloader wake the cop or keep it asleep when booting with a cop build?
21:32:08Bufflibertyoki all got backup now :) and followed instruction for install roxkbox :o now when i try launch roxkbox, i get error -1 (i disconnected from computer the usb , so no corrupted files)
21:32:11linuxstb_I think it sleeps it.
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21:32:58FebsBuffliberty: if you get that error, you didn't follow all of the instructions.
21:33:12Bufflibertyi explain wot i did oki ?
21:33:23BiptoNmy 4g has been very stable with the cop build and frequency changes i have made so far
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21:33:28FebsYou need to install a Rockbox build.
21:33:41LloreanBuffliberty: Please try to use real words like "what"
21:33:53BiptoNexcept the bootloader always loops around 3-4 times before fully loading rockbox still w/ scaling enabled
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21:34:07LloreanBuffliberty: As well, as febs said, you didn't actually follow all the directions. You've only installed the bootloader, not the build.
21:34:22stevenmHello. Where is the script that downloads and builds an M68k-targeted GCC for iriver ?
21:34:38Bufflibertyso i'm just missing the build
21:34:39SushiPWhat's the key combination to reboot my ipod?
21:34:44LloreanSushiP: Yes
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21:34:51Lloreanstevenm: It's the shell script in /tools
21:35:02SushiPYay, rockbox is loaded.
21:35:21stevenmLlorean, thanks!
21:35:42Bufflibertyi got the build where to put it into sansa ?
21:35:44LloreanI think that's the name.
21:35:52FebsExtract it to the root.
21:36:04BufflibertyFebs: ok thanks
21:36:20stevenmLlorean, aah yes, thanks. I used to have an older GCC for this, then that broke.. i remember building a new one but cant for the life of me find where it got installed
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21:36:34barrywardellBuffliberty: hlj
21:36:35SushiPHow do I get to my music on rockbox? :X
21:36:56Bufflibertyyeah thanks i already got it :)
21:36:59barrywardellBuffliberty: you'll need to put the original firmware back on to use usb mode properly
21:37:00FebsSushiP: just drag and drop.
21:37:02Bufflibertyi'm restarting sansa :p
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21:37:33SushiPI mean how do I access it on my ipod?
21:37:36LloreanSushiP: There are several ways. The short answer is simply "Copy it to the device, and then play it." If you used iTunes to copy it, the easiest solution it to use the Database feature, you can read about it in the manual.
21:37:42Bufflibertyi read a stupid french guide ;) and he didn't talk about the build ;) now it's ok :D
21:38:15SushiPAnd why isn't menu going up a level in the directory?
21:38:26FebsBecause this is Rockbox.
21:38:37SushiPThen how do I?
21:38:38FebsMenu goes to the menu.
21:38:46LloreanSushiP: Left. Please, read the manual.
21:38:49FebsYou really should take a look at the manual.
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21:42:56stevenmOk, build.. appears to be a bug in SVN. In MIDI code or possibly elsewhere. After a plugin is finished with the DSP, is it the plugin's responsibility to set the sampling rate back to 44100, or will rockbox do that on its own?
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21:48:49markunis it a bug that "insert" does a "insert last" when creating a new playlist?
21:49:19Mikachuinsert continues inserting after the last song you inserted
21:49:39Mikachuif you want to insert after the current song, use insert next
21:51:27markunMikachu: then it's a bug
21:51:38Lloreanmarkun: Why?
21:51:44LloreanHow did you create the playlist?
21:51:49Mikachuyou can think of "insert" as "smart insert"
21:52:05Mikachuif you start with an empty playlist and insert three things, they will be in the order 1 2 3
21:53:01markun21:39 < markun> I'll give you an example. Imagine 3 albums A, B and C which each 3 tracks
21:53:04markun21:39 < markun> nothing is playing and you insert album A, the playlist looks: A1,A2,A3
21:53:08markun21:40 < markun> now you insert album B: A1,B1,B2,B3,A2,A3
21:53:11markun21:40 < markun> now you insert album C: A1,B1,B2,B3,C1,C2,C3,A2,A3
21:53:30markun21:40 < markun> and I think it should have been A1,A2,A3,B1,B2,B3,C1,C2,C3
21:53:43Lloreanmarkun: I thought you said it does "Insert Last"
21:54:00markunI think it's line 378 in apps/onplay.c
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21:55:15Mikachuah, now i see what you mean
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21:55:28Mikachudoes it work if you change it to PLAYLIST_INSERT?
21:56:42Mikachueven if you do an insert_last, insert after that should insert after the last of the tracks previously inserted
21:59:46markunwell, that's not how insert last currently works
22:00:04Mikachui think any insert action should update the point where "insert" inserts
22:01:09toffemarkun : I have a problem, I have a lot of title, artist name in french ands english, I am using rockbox in english and the dispkay is not good
22:01:28toffeall the special carater from spanish and feench doesn't display
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22:03:20markuntoffe: which encoding are the tags in?
22:05:38Bufflibertymmh nice many stuff in rockbox :)
22:05:49Bufflibertybut cant shut it down
22:06:21Mikachuhold play, if it's an ipod
22:06:46Mikachuthen i dunno
22:06:54Bufflibertyi got Ipod too ;)
22:07:05Mikachubut i'm sure it's in the manual
22:07:50barrywardellhold power for 15 seconds
22:08:58midgeybarrywardell: have you looked at the newest bug reports? both are related to the h10
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22:09:36barrywardellmidgey: i created the most recent one ;)
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22:10:27barrywardelli assume you're also referring to the battery one?
22:10:49midgeyyep, they both have to do with battery
22:11:16midgey#6544 looks like a strange one
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22:13:28barrywardelli think 6544 might be a bug in the iriver bootloader
22:13:48midgeyour bootloader or their's ?
22:13:56barrywardellon occasion, it will crash with the backlight off (but you can still vaguely see the text on screen)
22:14:08barrywardelltheirs - it's the first thing loaded on power on
22:14:17barrywardellthere's not much we can do about it
22:14:32barrywardellif that's the problem
22:14:45midgeyreplace it entirely ;)
22:15:11barrywardellmaybe eventually...
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22:21:23markunMikachu: strange, that didn't fix it
22:22:38stevenmIs there a way to charge an iriver device from USB?
22:23:06stevenmIe, rockbox bootloader is on the device. USB is plugged in. Is it possible to just have a charging screen instead of like 'Bootloader USB mode'
22:23:23stevenmor from within the rockbox environment, turn off LCD and HDD and just let it charge from USB?
22:24:04Mouser_XI registered on the flyspray, but it looks like I didn't get the confirmation email.
22:24:23Mouser_XI registered over 5 hours ago.
22:24:51markunstevenm: depedns on which iriver you have..
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22:25:29jbahi guys, can't talk for long
22:25:46jbajust thought I would let you guys know
22:26:12stevenmmarkun, 340
22:26:43jbagigabeat bubbles has sprite corruption on the bubbles
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22:26:56markunstevenm: there should be a button you can hold while you insert the cable
22:27:08markunmaybe it's in the manual which one it is
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22:28:05Bagderthere's a slight case of out of disk on the web server
22:29:04midgeyBagder: can you enable propeditting on the svn trunk? i tried changing a commit message and i got:
22:29:06midgeysvn: Repository has not been enabled to accept revision propchanges;
22:29:06midgeyask the administrator to create a pre-revprop-change hook
22:29:37Bagderwe should fix that, yes
22:29:51midgeyk, just making sure you were aware
22:29:56stevenmmarkun, aah, rec + insert usb. thx
22:30:14LloreanBagder: What's the difference between a "slight" and "severe" case of out of disk?
22:30:18midgeyalso the irc page still says CVS builds
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22:30:39BagderLlorean: the "slight" means it is on just one partition and that we can cleanup a lot to fix it
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22:33:36perldiverrandom question, why the size for the album art bitmap was chosen at 100x100 ?
22:33:56Lloreanperldiver: Ask the creator of the patch.
22:34:00LloreanRemember, Album Art isn't a feature.
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22:39:05cinicHello can I have of the assistance?
22:39:20jbait's meant to be bad to allow commit message propedits though
22:40:22jbaanyhow, anyone else tried to play bubbles on the gigabeat since that recent scale correction?
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22:40:48MikachuBagder: is meant to have autoindexing on?
22:40:57cinicI would like to install the MPEG-PLAYER on my ipod
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22:41:37ZagorMikachu: yes. found something bad?
22:41:47Mikachuno just wondering
22:41:53Mikachuusually download servers don't
22:42:11Zagorotherwise we'd have to create indices ourselves. and we're too lazy for that :-)
22:42:26cinicCan somebody help me?
22:42:55midgeycinic: mpegplayer comes with rockbox
22:43:04Zagor...although it would look a lot better of course. some day when I have gobs of spare time I don't know what to do with ;)
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22:43:39cinicmidgey: How I use it?
22:43:55midgeyread PluginMpegPlayer on the wiki
22:44:27midgeyyou basically copy an mpeg video to your ipod and play it like you would an audio file
22:45:38cinicmidgey: where I must question his videos?
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22:46:40Soaplinuxstb: I assume you saw my numbers on the ata_test?
22:47:19midgeycinic: there are test videos at
22:47:33midgeycopy one to your player and try it out
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22:48:15Mouser_XI got two confirmation emails from the flyspray. Which should I use? They appear to have arrived at the same time.
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22:48:40hcscombine them into one omega-invite
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22:49:32linuxstbSoap: Yes, thanks for testing.
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22:49:55Soapdid you know from the get-go that dual-platter would make no difference? (I suspect you did.)
22:50:06Mouser_XI got two confirmation emails from the flyspray. Which should I use? They appear to have arrived at the same time.
22:50:30LloreanMouser_X: Just pick one, and if it doesn't work, try the other.
22:50:30Mouser_X(They have different confimration codes.)
22:50:45perldiveri tried bubbles alright
22:50:49midgeyMouser_X: if neither work, someone here can activate it for you
22:51:11Mikachube aware that if you try the wrong one, the rockbox team legally owns your house
22:51:24cinicmidgey: Am I to oblige to download the video elephant dream?
22:52:21midgeycinic: download one of those videos and save it to your ipod
22:52:43midgeyif you have a 5g (video) try the last one on the page
22:53:10cinicno I have the ipod nano 1g
22:53:47linuxstbSoap: I hadn't thought about it. But I guess it's not surprising.
22:53:55Bagder... the ipod video bootloader has been downloaded 3600 times so far in january
22:54:38midgeycinic: download one that starts elephantsdream-q6-176
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22:54:46Mouser_XLlorean: It says the confirmation was successful, but I can't login. It says "That username does not exist with this install." Or something like that.
22:54:51midgeyeither own will work
22:55:14BiptoNi moved the ata thread to the cop, under the os stacks dbg menu it says it's tied to core 1 but says 0%
22:55:28ZagorMikachu: If your offer to host the elephant movies is still available, I'd like to take you up on it.
22:55:33BiptoNdid i miss where it retrieves the values for the thread somewhere
22:55:42MikachuZagor: okay
22:56:21LloreanBagder: The forums are also looking to reach a record registration month this month. Maybe
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22:56:44Bagderthe dl server is hitting the roof in bandwidth usage
22:56:45cinicmidgey: I have to download the video one
22:57:02Bagder"root" being a bit soft here ;-)
22:57:09Mikachui'll roof it a bit more when i download all the videos
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22:57:32Bagderabout 195GB so far this month
22:58:06Zagoryeah, the 300 gig I reported last night was a misreading. we're "only" nearing 200 gig...
22:58:25Bagder10 gigs a day
22:58:29LloreanNext month may be a very heavy month
22:58:50LloreanOnce popular science is on newsstands and not just subscribers have it
22:59:04Mikachudid they write about rockbox?
22:59:44Zagoryes. that's why everyone is asking where to download mpegplayer :-)
22:59:57LloreanMikachu: They wrote that you have to download jpeg and mpegplayer separately.
23:00:04linuxstbSomeone should finish mpegplayer...
23:00:20Mikachuyou could commit what you have so far
23:01:04linuxstbI've broken my local tree now...
23:01:19cinicmidgey: I do not see the video one. Only sound is heard.
23:02:24Mikachui didn't get old/ since that's not useful with current rockbox anyway
23:02:35Mikachui linked parent and old/ to too
23:02:37Bagdernah, they can be removed now
23:02:49Soapcouldn't the movies (and other large files) be torrented?
23:02:58Mikachubut i'm guessing most people only use the direct wiki links
23:03:00ZagorMikachu: excellent. can you update the links on the PluginMpegplayer page too?
23:03:02BagderSoap: indeed
23:03:18BagderZagor: we could/should probably redirect there anyway
23:03:45Mikachuyou might want to keep the videos on your server too, like i said i could disappear sometimes
23:03:54cinicmidgey: Can you help me?
23:04:12SoapI hate to think what little cash donations I have made be spent hosting non-core videos. But I'm more than willing to torrent out the wazoo.
23:04:32Soap200GB a month can't be cheap.
23:04:39midgeycinic: you sure the backlight didnt turn off?
23:04:40ZagorMikachu: I'll keep them, but not normally visible. they are not critical.
23:04:50BagderSoap: the hosting is not paid for by the rockbox fund, but sponsored by Zagor/Haxx
23:05:11SoapStill - that's coming out of your hard-earned beer money.
23:05:34Zagorno, it's coming out of my hard earned personal money :-)
23:05:46Zagorbut it's actually a very good hosting deal, so it's not a lot of money
23:05:49Soapeven worse
23:05:51BagderI just wanted to point out that donations aren't used for that
23:05:52MikachuZagor: done
23:05:59ZagorMikachu: thanks
23:06:06cinicmidgey: Can you come in private some to speak about that.
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23:06:47midgeycinic: im not one of the devs of mepgplayer, someone else may be able to offer you better help
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23:07:27BagderMikachu: if you'
23:07:40Bagderd feel like having it using a domain name, just tell
23:08:17cinicmidgey: Actually, the sound of video walk. But that if appears in the same place as for the music.
23:08:30JakeworldHi, I have a quick question, and am wondering if anyone knows an answer: First, I'm using an iPod, but I'm wondering whether using the Database from the Itunes categorized files is less efficient than simply putting all of my organized files manually onto my iPod
23:08:49MikachuBagder: i guess you could cname to
23:09:21BagderI'll fix it
23:09:53cinicSomebody can help me. I would like to put videos on ipod nano 1go of first generation.
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23:12:07Zagorapache redirect added
23:12:13SirTechhey guys anyone know how i could rig up a remote control for my iaudio x5
23:12:17linuxstbcinic: What videos are you trying to play?
23:12:29MikachuZagor: did you redirect to
23:12:34ciniclinuxstb: wmv
23:12:39Zagoryes. hehe, a bit quick :-)
23:12:43Zagorshould I wait?
23:12:53Mikachuno it sohuld be working, but it isn't
23:12:54linuxstbcinic: You need to read the PluginMpegplayer wiki page.
23:12:58Zagoryou're giving us google right now
23:13:04Mikachu works, but clicking mpeg/ on your server doesn't
23:13:05jbaperldiver, how did it go?
23:13:24perldiverwent smooth
23:13:40SirTechi would try to rig the infrastuctural asymetrical compantent of the iridescent cologlomeraten
23:13:44ciniclinuxstb: Yes, I read it. But I have much difficulty of including/understanding operation
23:13:45perldiveri expected a full screen experience though
23:13:47SirTechsrry wrong channekl
23:13:48jbawell for the me th bubbles are corrupted sprites
23:14:01MikachuZagor: ah, it's not elephant/ on
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23:14:04MikachuZagor: just /
23:14:06perldiverjba nothing of that kind
23:14:07Zagorah, ok
23:14:51ciniclinuxstb: can you help me?
23:14:59linuxstbcinic: You need to convert your videos to .mpg.
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23:16:36ciniclinuxstb: Yes, but the video elephant dream does not go. I hears only the sound
23:16:43Mikachuheh, you can't refresh a redirect link in gecko, have to clear all cache
23:16:59Mikachucinic: which file did you try?
23:17:10Mikachucinic: it has to be one of the 176x ones if you have nano
23:18:03cinicI have elephant dream 176x
23:18:13Mikachuthen it should work
23:18:51LloreanIt's possible the second thread isn't starting.
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23:22:59jbaperldiver, you running svn head?
23:23:06BiptoNllorean: i moved the ata thread to the cop, but it doesn't display a % in the debug menu. Did i miss something somewhere to get those values?
23:23:37ciniclinuxstb: can I use another kind of plugin to read my videos?
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23:24:34linuxstbcinic: No.
23:24:45Bagderit seems we have roughly 11000 visits daily on the web site
23:24:50LloreanBiptoN: The COP patch already moves the most CPU intensive thread to the COP. Why are you adding more threads to it?
23:25:20BiptoNiam trying to move the least intensive ones to the cop and more intense to the main
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23:25:49LloreanThe Codec thread is in theory the only really intensive one.
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23:25:59LloreanAnd that one's only doing anything during playback.
23:26:11BiptoNok than
23:26:37BiptoNcan you tell me what the flashing asterisks are nex to the threads under os stacks in the dbg screen please
23:26:41LloreanKeeping it on the main core and moving everything else to the COP is somewhat wasteful since then the COP has to always be active, and the main will be active but doing nothing when playback isn't happening.
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23:26:53Bagderseen this?
23:27:05LloreanBiptoN: I don't really know about the debug representations, sorry.
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23:27:52LloreanBagder: It's still gonna sell a ridiculous amount to people who will talk of it like it's the greatest phone ever.
23:28:09BagderI was mostly thinking of the rockbox link in there
23:28:25LloreanOh, yeah, I saw that.
23:28:29LloreanWe've been popular lately.
23:28:30perldiverjba yes
23:29:01DataGhost[15:42:05] (linuxstb): My methodology might be flawed, but I've done some rough ATA reading speed tests on my H140, 60GB ipod Photo and 30GB ipod Video (5g) - H140 is about 7.7Mbit/s, Photo is about 3.5Mbit/s and Video is about 5.4Mbit/s (with CPU boosted, I haven't tried without).
23:29:13DataGhostlinuxstb ? I'm getting 64 MB in 20 seconds on my 5.5G
23:29:14BiptoNalrighty then thanks Llorean
23:29:28DataGhostthat's 3.2 MBYTE/s, not Mbit
23:29:33linuxstbDataGhost: That should MB/s, not mbit....
23:29:37DataGhostah ok :)
23:29:53DataGhostanyway, nice to see that linux understands DMA and is probably using it
23:30:02DataGhostelse the bootloader would be faster with pio :)
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23:30:13linuxstbI think that's unlikely.
23:30:33BiptoNcan anyone tell me what the asterisks in the OS Stacks dbg menu mean or is it in a manual?
23:30:41linuxstbBecause I've seen no code in IPL to deal with DMA on the portalplayer chip.
23:30:55DataGhosteh. does that need to be dealt with in a special way then?
23:31:01DataGhostbecause hdparm says it's using udma4
23:31:29DataGhostand to me it seems unlikely that chip can handle 3.2 MB/s in pio
23:31:44linuxstbRockbox is getting 5.4MB/s in PIO...
23:32:00linuxstbAnd it gets more in PIO mode on other targets with optimised assembler transfer functions.
23:32:21Bagderwhy would dma mean faster?
23:32:25DataGhostguess they put some optimized logic in that cpu then
23:32:34DataGhostwell Bagder I was using my PC as reference
23:32:42DataGhostin PIO it can do about 4 MB/s with 100% cpu
23:33:15Bagderthat sounds weird
23:33:36DataGhostbut I don't really care what mode it's using, it's just nice to see that it'll do decent speeds :)
23:35:48DataGhostso anyway, if it can do 3.2MB/s with one of the simplest tests, in PIO
23:35:58DataGhostthen there is plenty of room for optimization in the bootloader, I guess :)
23:36:30DataGhostbecause that's doing about 330 kB/s now
23:37:13DataGhost3,7 MB/s with bs=512000 instead of 512 :) now let's try 1024 and 2048
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23:42:29DataGhostthis is odd
23:42:47DataGhostthe air around my PCs smells like shampoo all of a sudden
23:42:55DataGhostnothing near the door or windows
23:43:16Mikachumy friend's graphics card started smelling like pop corn one time
23:43:47DataGhostI had a broken PSU once, during a game with some people on teamspeak
23:43:53DataGhostI told them I had to leave because it was getting foggy in my room
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23:55:46*amiconn returns
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23:55:55amiconnlinuxstb: You wanted to ask me sth?
23:58:54linuxstbI was getting strange results when using ata_read_sectors() to test transfer speeds. Is that function intended to be limited to <= 256 sectors?

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