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| 00:00:46 | Zagor | more and more things are starting to use usb as power source too. I've got an alarm clock that charges over usb. not because it's convenient to charge in the computer, but because usb is becoming a standard power source. |
| 00:01:48 | Bagder | yeps |
| 00:02:09 | Bagder | and I agree about the wall charger usb thing being nice |
| 00:02:18 | Bagder | I don't have one (yet) and I miss it |
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| 00:11:12 | PrimeHex | I have to say the wipe of the server was very "lol" as to how it happened. |
| 00:11:53 | PrimeHex | otherwise, rockbox kicks ass, I just threw it on my 5.5G ipod. Was getting waysick of the ipod, actually considered buying a zune. |
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| 00:12:40 | DataGhost | weeee |
| 00:12:55 | DataGhost | I just redid the loader and it worked at once :D |
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| 00:13:08 | DataGhost | hm wrong channel maybe |
| 00:14:37 | PrimeHex | hm? |
| 00:14:53 | PrimeHex | nope |
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| 00:27:08 | sneakums | PrimeHex: i for one am glad that rockbox saved you from zune. |
| 00:27:27 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 00:27:38 | * | Mouser_X loves his Gigabeat with Rockbox... |
| 00:28:54 | PrimeHex | sneakums: I actually have several friends with zunes, they're quite impressive. They did the things right that I wanted out of the ipod in the firstplace. There are ways around the 3play limit on the filesharing, but it's a pain |
| 00:30:23 | * | Febs is getting the urge to buy a Gigabeat. |
| 00:30:52 | * | preglow too |
| 00:31:02 | hcs | it has crushed my motivation to optimize :( |
| 00:31:04 | spug | PrimeHex: what are those things it did right? |
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| 00:32:17 | PrimeHex | spug: It's surprisingly styleish. Screen's bigger, plays sideways, handles pictures nicer, and has been far more durable and less scratch-prone then the ipod |
| 00:32:34 | PrimeHex | besides, I'm totally sick of the ipod, I've had one for at least 1/4th of my life |
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| 00:32:49 | PrimeHex | The gigabeat is impressive looking as well |
| 00:33:05 | * | Soap moans at youngsters. |
| 00:33:09 | Soap | ;) |
| 00:33:11 | Zagor | PrimeHex: 1/4 of your life? you're not very old, are you? |
| 00:33:15 | spug | PrimeHex: okay, cool |
| 00:33:30 | spug | what do you mean "plays sideways"? the screen orientation switches when it's tilted sideways? |
| 00:33:53 | Soap | ^that would be cool. |
| 00:34:25 | PrimeHex | when you play a movie it automatically goes sideways. They didn't include a tilt sensor for cost reduction. I the head of North American marketing for Microsoft (close family friend) |
| 00:34:33 | spug | ah, okay |
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| 00:34:53 | PrimeHex | no, I just turned 16, but the people I chill/hang/socialize with, whatever you wanna call it, are generally 20+ |
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| 00:35:07 | Soap | well, it's a 3:4 screen, Tilt sensor or no it wouldn't play tv shows/movies in portrait mode. |
| 00:35:19 | spug | yep |
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| 00:35:45 | hcs | I've had portable digital audio players for 1/4 of my life... |
| 00:35:59 | PrimeHex | also, the gigabeat's website is extremely annoying. I don't know a single person that enjoys reading diagonally |
| 00:36:04 | Soap | if you count cassette tapes I have. |
| 00:36:14 | PrimeHex | those are analog, no? |
| 00:36:14 | Soap | well, 1/2 my life. |
| 00:36:19 | PrimeHex | or is it like |
| 00:36:22 | PrimeHex | a mix of both |
| 00:36:30 | PrimeHex | I was only around for the end of those |
| 00:36:30 | hcs | mm, 1/2 if you count Discman |
| 00:36:31 | Soap | cassette tapes were analogue. |
| 00:36:37 | PrimeHex | ok |
| 00:36:43 | PrimeHex | yea, 1/2 if you cound CD's |
| 00:37:02 | Soap | a portable CD player at age 8? |
| 00:37:14 | PrimeHex | I was actually an "early adopter" and had a firstgen Dell DJ for about 3 years before some mexican hotel lady stole it from my suitcase |
| 00:37:21 | PrimeHex | Soap: what's so weird about that? |
| 00:37:32 | spug | i haven't had a portable digital audio player for more than two months :( |
| 00:37:46 | Soap | such expensive toys for little boys. Foreign concept. |
| 00:37:54 | preglow | haha |
| 00:37:55 | PrimeHex | Soap: I had umm sugar-ray, backstreet boys, ummm kid rock (the clean stuff), etc |
| 00:38:08 | PrimeHex | Now my tastes are much, much different |
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| 00:38:10 | preglow | they weren't very expensive eight years ago |
| 00:38:13 | PrimeHex | Not at all |
| 00:38:18 | PrimeHex | I'm trying to figure out how that's weird |
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| 00:38:26 | PrimeHex | either way, I take care of my stuff. |
| 00:38:35 | preglow | as a matter of fact, i got one when i was about ten, and they weren't excessively expensive then either |
| 00:38:42 | preglow | and i'm 25 |
| 00:38:56 | preglow | they were, however, huge |
| 00:39:03 | PrimeHex | idk, I think my first one was a really nice one, and it was $60 or so, which is still nothing compared to the $250+ |
| 00:40:00 | * | Soap came from a well-off family and didn't have a single possession worth $60 as a child except for his bike. |
| 00:40:31 | PrimeHex | haha |
| 00:40:38 | preglow | then we have established the fact you two are not from the same family |
| 00:40:44 | PrimeHex | I've been through all stages of money |
| 00:40:54 | Zagor | I used to live in a cardboard box ... in the middle of the road! |
| 00:41:03 | preglow | lucky bastard! |
| 00:41:06 | * | Soap is sorry for dragging this so far off topic. |
| 00:41:09 | PrimeHex | From 0.01-7 or so, my parents were broke-ass poor |
| 00:41:43 | PrimeHex | My dad worked like 23 hours a day, we lived in my grandpa's apartment for 2-3 years, moved into our own house (a rather large ranch), my dad started his group benefits company, and it's only been up from there. |
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| 00:42:26 | PrimeHex | My sister missed out on the broke ass poor part, and enjoyed living in my grandpa's apartment (she's 4 years behind me), so she treats everything like shit, and she never gets expensive stuff |
| 00:43:04 | Zagor | back on track: has resume ever worked properly in the simulator, or has it always started the track from the beginning? |
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| 00:43:25 | PrimeHex | hehe |
| 00:47:05 | preglow | hmm |
| 00:47:08 | preglow | i _think_ so |
| 00:47:11 | preglow | but by no means certain |
| 00:47:21 | preglow | as in, did work |
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| 00:47:51 | Zagor | I thought so too. |
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| 00:51:33 | PrimeHex | So, it's ok to just drag and drop mp3 files onto the ipod in mass storage mode now? |
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| 00:54:13 | DogBoy | yep |
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| 01:31:28 | Mouser_X | I can't login to the flyspray. It says my account doesn't exist. This was before the site/server went down. |
| 01:34:58 | Zagor | Mouser_X: what is your account name? |
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| 01:36:41 | facenew | OT: a short movie mocking Kim Jong Il and his secret agent buying something from China: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=EE52D9ED01495685 |
| 01:39:19 | Mouser_X | Zagor: I thought it was MouserX. I also tried MarvinMiller. Both with spaces, and without. |
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| 01:40:30 | * | amiconn needs to find a bug hiding in his optimised ata transfer :/ |
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| 01:47:16 | preglow | argh |
| 01:47:23 | amiconn | Umm, stupid mistake... |
| 01:47:27 | preglow | x86 is so incredibly annoying to optimise in comparison with embedded stuff :// |
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| 01:47:45 | Mikachu | i guess that's why nobody does it |
| 01:47:50 | * | amiconn should take care of the difference between pre-increment and post-increment in arm asm |
| 01:48:01 | Soap | I just got a P-100 (not MMX) if you want incentive preglow. |
| 01:48:17 | preglow | heh |
| 01:48:24 | * | amiconn wonders why this didn't break harder that observed |
| 01:48:26 | preglow | you wouldn't optimise for that as you want with newer processors |
| 01:48:53 | preglow | with the old pentiums, you had to go through instruction pairing hell |
| 01:49:06 | iwantanimac | preglow: What're you optimising? |
| 01:50:54 | preglow | iwantanimac: a synth i'm making |
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| 01:51:41 | iwantanimac | preglow: a full-on bootable one for x86? |
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| 01:52:26 | preglow | nono |
| 01:52:31 | preglow | a csound module |
| 01:52:43 | preglow | so it should run on anything that compiles c and runs csound, but i'm using x86 |
| 01:52:48 | iwantanimac | oh... |
| 01:52:51 | iwantanimac | ok. |
| 01:53:45 | iwantanimac | excuse my noobiness with most coding related stuff. |
| 01:54:18 | amiconn | Ah, *much* better :D |
| 01:54:19 | preglow | you don't often see bootable stuff anymore |
| 01:54:35 | preglow | as a matter of fact, you never do, apart from oses and memtest |
| 01:54:40 | iwantanimac | no... i was going to say that would be an interesting project ;D |
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| 01:59:42 | preglow | interesting and hopeless, you'd spent all your time writing drivers |
| 01:59:45 | preglow | spend |
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| 02:01:11 | iwantanimac | yeah. better off to go with some kind of unix/linux core and go from there. |
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| 02:17:09 | Brunellus | hello rockboxers |
| 02:18:31 | bonbonthejon | hi |
| 02:20:00 | Brunellus | is there a decent script out there that'll let me post the contents of .scrobbler.log onto last.fm |
| 02:20:16 | iwantanimac | rockscrobbler... link in a second... |
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| 02:22:00 | iwantanimac | LogScrobbler by Kernelsandirs - [http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=47554] (Windows, .NET 2.0) |
| 02:22:16 | * | Brunellus frowns. |
| 02:22:27 | Mikachu | turn that frown upsidedown! |
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| 02:22:28 | Brunellus | grumble. anything for Linux? in python or perl or something? |
| 02:22:36 | iwantanimac | sure... theres a website... |
| 02:22:39 | Mikachu | i heard there's a very unreliable perlscript |
| 02:22:46 | Brunellus | h'm. |
| 02:22:58 | Mikachu | and then there's qtscrobbler which seems sort of overkill |
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| 02:23:29 | iwantanimac | http://paulstead.com/scrob/ (Not sure about security mind you..) and there are several others. |
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| 02:34:22 | * | argonel drops a pin |
| 02:34:38 | sneakums | *boom* |
| 02:35:23 | * | Mikachu stops badmouthing kde |
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| 02:36:38 | Brunellus | feh. |
| 02:36:44 | * | Brunellus uses GNOME |
| 02:36:46 | Brunellus | I like gnome. |
| 02:37:38 | PrimeHex | heheh |
| 02:37:47 | * | PrimeHex walks into a linux chat |
| 02:37:50 | * | PrimeHex says ow |
| 02:37:54 | PrimeHex | anyways |
| 02:38:03 | PrimeHex | I used to use edgy with beryl/gnome |
| 02:38:05 | PrimeHex | it was nice |
| 02:38:28 | PrimeHex | but I have recently installed vista ultimate (legit, store bought copies) on all the computers in this house |
| 02:38:50 | iwantanimac | i wish my PC could handle beryl, but now it's completely fried... |
| 02:39:07 | iwantanimac | ...and beign a 1GHz Pentium III wouldn't have helped it's chances along. |
| 02:39:08 | tanq | i pulled a nightly for the 4g ipod, and it keeps telling me that the .rockbox directory doesnt exist |
| 02:39:18 | tanq | however, it does exist in / |
| 02:40:14 | | Part Llorean |
| 02:40:23 | Brunellus | foo. I can't afford vista or vista-proper hardware. |
| 02:40:27 | tanq | beryl is nice if you don't play games |
| 02:40:37 | Brunellus | beryl is nothing but geek chrome |
| 02:40:47 | tanq | if you play games you have to kill beryl before hand |
| 02:40:52 | iwantanimac | i'm a geek, i need my chrome =P |
| 02:40:58 | Brunellus | the 3d desktop devs in Linux are geeks who would be doing "pimp my ride" if they weren't in front of their computers. |
| 02:41:05 | Brunellus | fscking desktop ricers. |
| 02:41:06 | tanq | hah |
| 02:41:14 | iwantanimac | lol |
| 02:41:25 | Brunellus | please. can I have a functional window manager first, and THEN give me pimpzilla effects? |
| 02:41:27 | PrimeHex | wtf are you talking about |
| 02:41:31 | tanq | first time i heard that, and it is absolutely hilarious |
| 02:41:32 | PrimeHex | if you don't play games |
| 02:41:46 | PrimeHex | I played quake 4, doom 3, ut2k4 no problem all in beryl |
| 02:41:46 | Brunellus | It doesn't matter what kind of spinners you put on beryl, it's still a hooptie ride, yo. |
| 02:41:58 | PrimeHex | at one point I had all three running on different cubes |
| 02:42:06 | PrimeHex | btw, I really enjoy rockbox |
| 02:42:10 | PrimeHex | it makes me extremely happy |
| 02:42:10 | Brunellus | ahahahah |
| 02:42:12 | iwantanimac | lol what're your system specs then? |
| 02:42:14 | * | Brunellus hauls thread back on topic |
| 02:42:25 | tanq | yeah thats what i'm wondering. |
| 02:42:27 | Brunellus | I have to say, rockbox's progress lately has been awesome. |
| 02:42:29 | PrimeHex | core2duo x6800, 4gb ddr2 667, 8900gtx |
| 02:42:36 | iwantanimac | crikey. |
| 02:42:37 | Brunellus | audioscrobbler support is love |
| 02:42:37 | tanq | heh. |
| 02:42:38 | PrimeHex | only an 80gb hdd |
| 02:42:43 | PrimeHex | that's where my budget ran out |
| 02:42:45 | iwantanimac | yes. it's nice. |
| 02:42:47 | PrimeHex | but, the 1TB drives come out soon |
| 02:42:51 | iwantanimac | lol skimped on the HDD... |
| 02:42:54 | PrimeHex | :D |
| 02:42:56 | iwantanimac | *shakes head* |
| 02:43:00 | Brunellus | I might actually do that |
| 02:43:04 | PrimeHex | I reformat often enough that it doesn't matter |
| 02:43:09 | * | Brunellus chortles |
| 02:43:15 | PrimeHex | and all my porn passwords are on my thumb drive |
| 02:43:23 | Brunellus | I haven't reformatted this drive in over two years |
| 02:43:32 | PrimeHex | I do it just to keep things bleeding-edge fast |
| 02:43:33 | Brunellus | although I did have to fsck it once.... |
| 02:43:36 | iwantanimac | lol how the heck did the rockbox irc get to porn? |
| 02:43:50 | Brunellus | yeah, when will rockbox do video on H3xx? |
| 02:43:55 | PrimeHex | YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT HDD SPACE WITHOUT BRAGGING ABOUT PORN! |
| 02:44:02 | PrimeHex | heh |
| 02:44:13 | Mikachu | Brunellus: doesn't mpegplayer work? |
| 02:44:19 | PrimeHex | that said, I'm waymuchoverhappilypleased with rockbox |
| 02:44:36 | Brunellus | Mikachu, there's an mpegplayer?!? |
| 02:44:41 | PrimeHex | ASD?! |
| 02:44:43 | iwantanimac | well i'd lvoe to brag, but 20GB isn't really enough. maybe if i use my time machine to go back to 1996... |
| 02:44:48 | PrimeHex | hehe |
| 02:44:58 | Mikachu | Brunellus: yes |
| 02:45:11 | Mikachu | Brunellus: not done though |
| 02:45:13 | PrimeHex | I creamed over one thing and one thing only |
| 02:45:16 | Mikachu | Brunellus: but it plays videos sort of |
| 02:45:17 | PrimeHex | FADE IN AND OUT PAUSES |
| 02:45:20 | Brunellus | no way |
| 02:45:20 | PrimeHex | best thing _ever_ |
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| 02:45:34 | iwantanimac | not really... |
| 02:45:41 | Brunellus | man. |
| 02:45:42 | iwantanimac | annoying on my line-out using speakers. |
| 02:45:42 | PrimeHex | it's one of my favorite parts of musiccube |
| 02:45:51 | Brunellus | when did they start doing mpegplayer? |
| 02:46:03 | Mikachu | couple of months ago |
| 02:46:10 | iwantanimac | cause the fade-out doesn't happen on linneout, so it just delays the pause. |
| 02:46:11 | Brunellus | wow |
| 02:46:25 | Brunellus | I'm also hoping the sansa e200 port finally gets sound playback |
| 02:46:29 | Brunellus | because that'll be awesome. |
| 02:46:43 | Brunellus | sansa's a nice player, but no ogg support :( |
| 02:46:45 | iwantanimac | yeah. i was thinking o picking on of those babies up if that happens. |
| 02:46:59 | Brunellus | seriously |
| 02:47:20 | argonel | Mikachu: don't do that on my account, i do it all the time :p |
| 02:47:28 | iwantanimac | i love the word ogg. do you really pronounce it like egg, with an "o"? |
| 02:47:51 | Brunellus | I just say ogg, so yeah |
| 02:47:57 | Brunellus | AwGG |
| 02:48:08 | Brunellus | if I'm being pedantic, I say "ogg vorbis" |
| 02:48:12 | PrimeHex | hehe |
| 02:48:14 | Brunellus | since ogg is the container and vorbis is the codec |
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| 02:48:20 | PrimeHex | I just say ogg |
| 02:48:21 | | Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp15-33.adsl.forthnet.gr) |
| 02:48:34 | PrimeHex | does 5.5g rockbox do ogg? |
| 02:48:37 | PrimeHex | OH SHIT DOES IT DO FLAC?!? |
| 02:48:46 | PrimeHex | IF IT DOES FLAC I'M DONATING LOADS OF MONEY |
| 02:48:55 | PrimeHex | ...?! |
| 02:49:21 | Brunellus | does flac for H3xx |
| 02:49:24 | iwantanimac | um... i think so... |
| 02:49:38 | PrimeHex | oh |
| 02:49:40 | PrimeHex | snap |
| 02:49:47 | PrimeHex | man all my flac is on my server |
| 02:49:48 | iwantanimac | DONATE! |
| 02:49:50 | PrimeHex | i don't have time do test it |
| 02:49:56 | aliask | All software decoding targets can do all the formats |
| 02:49:56 | iwantanimac | lol |
| 02:49:58 | iwantanimac | cyas |
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| 02:50:02 | PrimeHex | I will when my job status stabilizes |
| 02:50:11 | PrimeHex | cause this is possible food money |
| 02:50:20 | PrimeHex | also, how to edit themes? |
| 02:50:26 | PrimeHex | It's hard to find much on the site in it's current state |
| 02:50:38 | aliask | What do you want to do with the theme? |
| 02:50:52 | | Quit fasmaie (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 02:50:56 | PrimeHex | add a full scope vis |
| 02:51:01 | PrimeHex | change the colors a little |
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| 02:51:07 | aliask | Full scope vis? |
| 02:51:11 | PrimeHex | like |
| 02:51:13 | PrimeHex | more then 2 channels |
| 02:51:15 | PrimeHex | like |
| 02:51:18 | PrimeHex | cover all the ranges |
| 02:51:21 | PrimeHex | on both left and right |
| 02:51:29 | aliask | You'd have to get your hands dirty and get coding if you wanted to implement that |
| 02:51:34 | PrimeHex | damnit |
| 02:51:36 | aliask | And the CPU usage would be really high |
| 02:51:37 | Mouser_X | Indeed. |
| 02:51:38 | PrimeHex | what language is it in? |
| 02:51:40 | Mouser_X | C |
| 02:51:42 | PrimeHex | oh |
| 02:51:42 | aliask | C |
| 02:51:43 | PrimeHex | sweet |
| 02:51:48 | PrimeHex | I'm not bad at C |
| 02:52:00 | Mouser_X | PrimeHex: What target are you on? |
| 02:52:04 | PrimeHex | target? |
| 02:52:11 | aliask | What player |
| 02:52:14 | PrimeHex | OH |
| 02:52:15 | Mouser_X | Unit, player, device, etc. |
| 02:52:18 | PrimeHex | 5.5g |
| 02:52:21 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
| 02:52:24 | PrimeHex | :) |
| 02:52:28 | Mouser_X | That doesn't have much CPU to spare. |
| 02:52:40 | aliask | Consider that the 2 channel "vis" lags playback on those. |
| 02:52:44 | Mouser_X | Getting a vis of any sort will be painful, from what I've heard. |
| 02:52:47 | argonel | what has the most cpu to spare? |
| 02:52:47 | PrimeHex | it seems to be fine with the 2 channel |
| 02:52:52 | PrimeHex | oh |
| 02:52:54 | aliask | argonel: Gigabeat |
| 02:52:55 | PrimeHex | >:E |
| 02:53:02 | Mouser_X | The Gigabeat has a 300 mhz CPU. |
| 02:53:08 | aliask | High bitrate files will probably lag |
| 02:53:08 | * | Mouser_X has a Gigabeat |
| 02:53:13 | PrimeHex | does the code take advantage of the ram on the 5.5g? |
| 02:53:25 | * | argonel is between targets at the moment |
| 02:53:25 | Mouser_X | All RAM is used by the codecs. |
| 02:53:31 | PrimeHex | ok |
| 02:53:33 | PrimeHex | thought so |
| 02:53:41 | aliask | Sure about that Mouser_X? |
| 02:53:48 | PrimeHex | is the vis code efficient yet? or is it rough? |
| 02:53:55 | Mouser_X | That's what some of the devs have said. |
| 02:54:01 | aliask | I thought that the 64mb ram targets weren't fully taken advantage of yet, but I could be wrong. |
| 02:54:06 | PrimeHex | because I'm friends with some C gods, and they can make everything go faster |
| 02:54:17 | Mouser_X | There's targets that have 64 MB or RAM? |
| 02:54:24 | aliask | 60gb Videos |
| 02:54:27 | PrimeHex | yea |
| 02:54:36 | aliask | And 5.5g's by the sound of it too. |
| 02:54:37 | Mouser_X | PrimeHex: There is no vis code in place yet. |
| 02:54:45 | PrimeHex | but the 2chan scope? |
| 02:55:02 | Mouser_X | That's just showing the volume level on each speaker. |
| 02:55:12 | PrimeHex | ah |
| 02:55:15 | Mouser_X | Or, something like it. |
| 02:55:21 | PrimeHex | would that be hard to turn into a 16chan vis? |
| 02:55:27 | PrimeHex | 8 volume scopes on each |
| 02:55:31 | Mouser_X | You can read about on the Wiki, somewhere. |
| 02:55:37 | PrimeHex | is the wiki up? |
| 02:55:43 | Mouser_X | Probably not. |
| 02:55:45 | PrimeHex | ok |
| 02:55:46 | PrimeHex | :) |
| 02:55:51 | aliask | PrimeHex: I'm guessing you'd be splitting by frequency range, so I'd say it'd be a little more involved. |
| 02:55:56 | PrimeHex | alright |
| 02:55:57 | PrimeHex | yea |
| 02:55:59 | Mouser_X | Anyway, I must go. |
| 02:56:04 | PrimeHex | goodbye |
| 02:56:06 | Mouser_X | Later |
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| 02:56:13 | PrimeHex | aliask, I can't imagine it would be that hard? |
| 02:56:37 | PrimeHex | either way, some of the guys I know that do C are like, talented beyond what's even useful |
| 02:56:48 | PrimeHex | I'm just ok at C |
| 02:56:51 | aliask | I'm not really sure what would be needed, but you'd be scanning every sample that went through the audio, splitting it into the different frequency bands, and measuring the volume. |
| 02:57:02 | PrimeHex | yea |
| 02:57:09 | PrimeHex | there's a few other ways to do it |
| 02:57:20 | PrimeHex | I'm sure you could use parts from the eq code |
| 02:57:25 | PrimeHex | cause that handles all the channels |
| 02:57:53 | PrimeHex | also, what's the backdrops folder for? |
| 02:57:55 | argonel | you could pre-analyze :p |
| 02:57:58 | PrimeHex | is it what i think it is? |
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| 02:58:24 | PrimeHex | Mouser_X, what's the backdrops folder for? |
| 02:58:41 | aliask | Stick a BMP file in there which is the dimension of the LCD and you can set it as the backdrop for the filebrowser and menus. |
| 02:59:53 | PrimeHex | oh |
| 02:59:53 | PrimeHex | yes |
| 02:59:56 | * | PrimeHex creams |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:02 | aliask | PrimeHex: A quick look tells me that the code for the 2 channel peakmeter is 42kb |
| 03:00:02 | PrimeHex | zune goodness! |
| 03:00:09 | PrimeHex | heh |
| 03:01:11 | PrimeHex | is there anywhere else to get the themes? |
| 03:01:14 | PrimeHex | because I want the black glass theme |
| 03:01:28 | PrimeHex | oh |
| 03:01:31 | PrimeHex | rockbox-themes.org |
| 03:01:32 | PrimeHex | lol |
| 03:01:34 | aliask | www.rockbox-themes.org i think it was |
| 03:02:08 | aliask | I don't really like how it's an external site, but it's organised so much better than having them all in the wiki |
| 03:02:50 | PrimeHex | yea |
| 03:03:02 | Mikachu | argonel: heh :) |
| 03:03:31 | * | argonel misses the wiki |
| 03:05:48 | PrimeHex | lol |
| 03:05:50 | PrimeHex | so I do |
| 03:05:57 | PrimeHex | I haven't even had the fortune to see the wiki yet |
| 03:05:58 | PrimeHex | lol |
| 03:08:01 | Overand | wow, I hadn't seen rockbox-themes.org |
| 03:08:37 | Overand | and =[ to the data loss =/ |
| 03:10:36 | PrimeHex | yea |
| 03:11:17 | argonel | maybe upgraded hosting is in order? |
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| 03:11:28 | Soap | self hosted, and that was not the issue. |
| 03:11:47 | PrimeHex | yea |
| 03:11:49 | PrimeHex | it was um |
| 03:11:49 | PrimeHex | heh |
| 03:11:53 | PrimeHex | code errors |
| 03:11:59 | PrimeHex | somebody paste the quote? |
| 03:12:07 | argonel | some hosts will do your backups and restores for you :) |
| 03:12:38 | PrimeHex | here |
| 03:12:40 | PrimeHex | i'll post it |
| 03:12:43 | PrimeHex | [14:10] What freak did this? |
| 03:12:43 | PrimeHex | [14:10] did what? |
| 03:12:43 | PrimeHex | [14:10] GodEater: spot the bug: (cd rockbox_html/cvs-bak; find . -ctime +7 -exec rm {} Wink |
| 03:12:43 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK PrimeHex |
| 03:12:43 | PrimeHex | [14:10] Vandalize the site? |
| 03:12:43 | PrimeHex | [14:10] D0ug: the code snippet above did |
| 03:12:45 | PrimeHex | [14:10] hehehe - oops Wink |
| 03:12:46 | PrimeHex | [14:10] D0ug: false alarm, it was not a hack this time |
| 03:12:48 | PrimeHex | [14:10] Zagor: i'm afraid i don't speak find |
| 03:12:52 | PrimeHex | [14:11] really? |
| 03:12:54 | PrimeHex | [14:11] Do you need the .bin file |
| 03:12:56 | PrimeHex | [14:11] Did it crash or something? |
| 03:12:58 | PrimeHex | [14:11] robin0800_: You just need this patch (linked from the tracker page) - http://www.lostlogicx.com...kbox/kernel_on_cop_6.diff |
| 03:13:01 | PrimeHex | [14:12] that was supposed to remove files older than 7 days (he guesses) |
| 03:13:03 | PrimeHex | [14:12] I need to remind myself what ctime is for |
| 03:13:05 | PrimeHex | [14:12] kk, sorry I realize you just answered that qn... I am feeling a bit dense today |
| 03:13:07 | PrimeHex | [14:13] GodEater: well, it did. the problem is the ; character. it doesn't abort when the previous command fails. and the cd failed because the cvs-bak directory no longer exists... |
| 03:13:10 | PrimeHex | [14:13] Any irreperable damage? |
| 03:13:12 | PrimeHex | [14:13] ah yes |
| 03:13:14 | PrimeHex | [14:13] Zagor: ahhaha |
| 03:13:17 | PrimeHex | [14:13] it should have been && |
| 03:13:19 | PrimeHex | [14:13] && is your friend |
| 03:13:22 | PrimeHex | [14:13] indeed |
| 03:13:24 | PrimeHex | [14:13] heh |
| 03:13:26 | PrimeHex | [14:13] * GodEater hasn't used ";" in a script for years |
| 03:13:33 | Soap | a restore is in progress. On a different note: PrimeHex this is a logged channel. Do you mind greatly A) not spamming it. B) putting together coherent sentances and more than two fricking words per line? |
| 03:14:11 | Soap | If you want to point out a quote like that again - either refer people to the log - or use pastebin. |
| 03:14:29 | PrimeHex | wasn't sure where to find the log at |
| 03:14:35 | pixelma | and for further references you could post the forum link http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8325.msg64886#msg64886 ;) |
| 03:14:39 | Overand | also what weird client is that? |
| 03:14:39 | PrimeHex | i just had it in notepad |
| 03:14:46 | PrimeHex | mine? |
| 03:14:51 | PrimeHex | or whomever's that is? |
| 03:14:58 | Overand | Yeah, what client did that log come from? |
| 03:14:59 | argonel | i had just had the luck to read the as3514 news before it was gone |
| 03:15:02 | PrimeHex | I use xchat, it's the only decent windows irc program |
| 03:15:15 | PrimeHex | I'd assume irssi |
| 03:15:17 | PrimeHex | or something |
| 03:15:19 | PrimeHex | custom theme |
| 03:15:20 | Overand | PrimeHex: if I had to IRC from windows, I'd use irssi |
| 03:15:23 | Soap | I don't really care where you had it - you need to stop putting short phrases on ten different lines, keep the conversation on topic, and STOP SPAMMING. |
| 03:15:25 | | Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 03:15:38 | PrimeHex | what's wrong with using more then one line |
| 03:15:48 | PrimeHex | it uses the same amount of space storage-wise if that's what you're poking at |
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| 03:16:01 | Mikachu | because we have to read as slowly as you type |
| 03:16:16 | argonel | and miss things others said because what you said scrolled it off |
| 03:16:37 | PrimeHex | ... |
| 03:16:48 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 03:17:12 | Overand | PrimeHex: it's just considered proper irc ettiqute- especially on channels that are topical. it doesn't matter as much on 'chat'; channels, but this isn't one of those. |
| 03:17:30 | Overand | lots o whitespace in a conversation is disruptive, as argonel pointed out, it causes other stuff to scroll off. |
| 03:17:33 | PrimeHex | i've seen this place stray off topic far more times then it's been on thus far |
| 03:17:59 | argonel | heh |
| 03:18:00 | Soap | Two wrongs don't make a right, and you have been warned, PrimeHex. |
| 03:18:08 | PrimeHex | (Three lefts do!) |
| 03:18:47 | Mikachu | speaking of rm, "alias rm='rm -v'" is a good one, prints each file deleted |
| 03:19:17 | Mikachu | doesn't help in scripts of course, but it makes it more likely you press ctrl-c in time |
| 03:19:46 | PrimeHex | heh |
| 03:19:56 | PrimeHex | my favorite command |
| 03:19:57 | PrimeHex | is |
| 03:20:13 | PrimeHex | (oh shit, just realized what I was doing again. It's a hard thing to stop) |
| 03:20:29 | PrimeHex | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp/ |
| 03:20:38 | PrimeHex | I belive that's it, it makes random noise through the speakers |
| 03:21:04 | PrimeHex | I fall asleep to that noise, but it only runs for 15 minutes, keeping it running too long is bad. |
| 03:21:28 | Soap | PrimeHex: How many times do you expect to be warned? |
| 03:21:46 | PrimeHex | did you not see my ( ), It's a hard thing to stop doing |
| 03:21:46 | Mikachu | PrimeHex: every time you want to press enter, wait two seconds instead :) |
| 03:22:14 | PrimeHex | I did... and that's why all those lines aren't short |
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| 03:23:38 | PrimeHex | Is there any support for multiple levels of transparency? (besides just the bright pink?) |
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| 03:23:46 | Soap | no |
| 03:23:51 | Overand | I have similar habits, but that's because most of my time on IRC is on 'chat' channels on efnet and whatnot. |
| 03:23:51 | PrimeHex | Oh |
| 03:26:15 | PrimeHex | I don't understand how a company like Microsoft manages to do so many things wrong. I'm serious too, not the random "LOL MICRO$OFT SUCKS", it just makes me mad some of the things they try to do and how poorly executed they are. |
| 03:26:55 | debauched_sloth | PrimeHex: you have not worked for a large company then |
| 03:27:17 | safetydan | Big companies have a lot of conflicting interests. The bigger the company, the less coherent they'll be. |
| 03:27:17 | debauched_sloth | because they really do a lot right, and that is amazing |
| 03:27:29 | debauched_sloth | and when they do it wrong, it's easy to see why |
| 03:28:18 | Anendram | The only reason I have stayed with windows is for games... Linux seems a lot better for almost everything else. |
| 03:28:23 | PrimeHex | To me, it seems like all the small things bring them down, sure the big things are nice. Although I think if I were a company like Microsoft I'd hire an entire other company to do nothing but fix the small things. |
| 03:29:11 | Overand | microsoft does some stuff fine |
| 03:29:19 | Overand | word 97 was a great word processor, for example. =] |
| 03:29:21 | debauched_sloth | windows is better for almost all media manipulation, for normal people |
| 03:29:35 | debauched_sloth | maybe the mac, too, I know not about that |
| 03:29:39 | PrimeHex | OSX beats windows at media without a doubt. |
| 03:29:49 | | Quit Mouser_X3 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 03:29:49 | Overand | debauched_sloth: Yeah, I'm an audio engineer, spend almost all my tine on windows machines. I actually don't like using macs for audio. |
| 03:30:02 | PrimeHex | Wow |
| 03:30:09 | perldiver | Overand finally a word of sense |
| 03:30:20 | PrimeHex | All the big guys I know use OSX for media applications. |
| 03:30:39 | Overand | PrimeHex: Guess what- 16 bit audio at 44.1khz sounds exactly the same on intel as on ppc as on arm, as on linux as on BSD as on windows |
| 03:30:44 | debauched_sloth | the thing is, people look at OSX or Linux or whatever and say, why not? |
| 03:30:48 | PrimeHex | Heh |
| 03:30:48 | argonel | heh |
| 03:31:05 | debauched_sloth | then they dick around for days with, say, movie playback |
| 03:31:06 | PrimeHex | Overand: but most find it faster/easier to modify on OSX |
| 03:31:10 | Soap | well, unpatched Linux has a latency problem for why-not +1 |
| 03:31:12 | | Quit fasmaie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 03:31:13 | debauched_sloth | and that JUST WORKS with windows |
| 03:31:15 | Anendram | I hate Mac's new commercials :\ But they make me laugh at the same time @_@ |
| 03:31:15 | Soap | s/+/# |
| 03:31:26 | PrimeHex | Very true @ linux latency |
| 03:31:28 | Overand | It all comes down to how good the apps you get to work with audio are. Macs may be marginally 'better' when it comes to capturing audio, what with having better support for a lot of devices, actually |
| 03:31:31 | debauched_sloth | and I think, why not? hey, THAT was obvious |
| 03:31:39 | Overand | but- PrimeHex most mac apps are written to be used with one mouse button |
| 03:31:43 | PrimeHex | I had to go out and buy another sound card to do my mix sessions when I stream trance/DnB |
| 03:31:44 | Overand | and sorry, it's not 1984 anymore |
| 03:31:53 | argonel | *gasp* one button isn't enough? |
| 03:32:07 | Overand | I've used logic and ffrankly it made me want to yank out my eyes. |
| 03:32:11 | Anendram | I don't like how Macs can't be upgraded. That's the main reason I won't ever buy one. |
| 03:32:23 | Overand | I work almost exclusively in adobe audition, previously 'cool edit pro' |
| 03:32:24 | | Quit phrozen77_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 03:32:42 | PrimeHex | It's not very often that you actually have to upgrade a mac |
| 03:32:42 | Overand | It's a good multitrack app with a good '2-track' (destructive wave) editor |
| 03:32:49 | debauched_sloth | macs are nice, but the last bunch we've bought are all sitting around as not stable |
| 03:32:58 | debauched_sloth | all over heat |
| 03:33:07 | Overand | PrimeHex: Yes, because when you own a macintosh, the great crawl of system requirements and clock speeds somehow stops |
| 03:33:15 | PrimeHex | Hahaha |
| 03:33:17 | debauched_sloth | I have no doubt our experience is wrong, etc |
| 03:33:24 | Anendram | But when they do need upgraded, you have to buy a whole new, overpriced, Mac. @_@ |
| 03:33:24 | debauched_sloth | but Apple told us to screw |
| 03:33:33 | debauched_sloth | Dell just replaced the machines |
| 03:33:35 | Overand | I've got a 12" Powerbook G4 1.33 |
| 03:33:40 | PrimeHex | You can upgrade ram fairly easily |
| 03:33:56 | Overand | it's fine, but when i bought it (used) the first thing i di was yank the (failing) 4200rpm drive and replaced it with a 7200 one |
| 03:34:06 | argonel | debauched_sloth: what macs are those? |
| 03:34:23 | debauched_sloth | so we have cool mac powerbooks, that do not work |
| 03:34:27 | debauched_sloth | and dells that do |
| 03:34:41 | debauched_sloth | powerbook, what, what's the latest cool powerbook? that one |
| 03:34:46 | PrimeHex | ok guys, I have to go, i"ll talk to you all later |
| 03:34:48 | PrimeHex | thanks again |
| 03:34:50 | | Quit PrimeHex ("Leaving") |
| 03:34:59 | argonel | no powerbooks anymore |
| 03:35:03 | Overand | aye |
| 03:35:07 | argonel | "macbook pro"? |
| 03:35:11 | debauched_sloth | yes |
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| 03:35:17 | debauched_sloth | macbook, whatever |
| 03:35:18 | argonel | duo or 2 duo? |
| 03:35:23 | debauched_sloth | 2 duo |
| 03:35:33 | argonel | how many? |
| 03:35:37 | debauched_sloth | 6 or so |
| 03:35:48 | argonel | did you yell? |
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| 03:35:57 | debauched_sloth | yell? yes |
| 03:36:04 | debauched_sloth | apple said, meh |
| 03:36:11 | voltagex | whoa, how'd the server get wiped? |
| 03:36:17 | debauched_sloth | dell said "how may we help you, sir" |
| 03:36:18 | safetydan | voltagex, bug in a script |
| 03:36:20 | argonel | don't yell :) |
| 03:36:22 | safetydan | there's a forum thread about it |
| 03:36:30 | voltagex | shjite |
| 03:36:53 | voltagex | oh well, backups are good |
| 03:36:53 | safetydan | voltagex, http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8325.msg64886#msg64886 |
| 03:37:17 | voltagex | thanks, I was about to search for is |
| 03:38:07 | KCC | ahh so it wasnt a hack |
| 03:38:10 | argonel | problem with that quote is the answer for "Any irreperable damage?" is absent :) |
| 03:38:12 | KCC | thats comforting, if nothing else |
| 03:39:34 | | Part pixelma |
| 03:39:43 | voltagex | well the most important thing isSVN's intact |
| 03:39:53 | Overand | yeah |
| 03:39:55 | Overand | that would have sucked |
| 03:40:03 | Overand | though there are people out there with relatively recent source tarballs i'm sure |
| 03:40:14 | voltagex | yeah |
| 03:40:17 | Overand | what a nightmare that would have been though |
| 03:40:28 | voltagex | any word on how the backup is going? |
| 03:40:36 | voltagex | restore I mean |
| 03:41:19 | safetydan | voltagex, since it's around 2am in the parts of Europe where the server is, I don't think we'll be hearing much for a few hours |
| 03:41:37 | voltagex | ah timezones |
| 03:41:48 | voltagex | see it's Monday 1341hrs here |
| 03:41:49 | KCC | gotta love em |
| 03:42:06 | safetydan | voltagex, so that puts you in NSW or VIC then :) |
| 03:42:49 | voltagex | safetydan: well done, for $500 000 lock in your choice and we'll find out after the break |
| 03:43:08 | voltagex | wow, Gigabeat F40's are still going cheap on ebay |
| 03:43:14 | voltagex | (hint, check my hostmask) |
| 03:43:26 | voltagex | I think. |
| 03:43:55 | voltagex | hmm normally it has a .nsw in there :P |
| 03:44:09 | voltagex | I'm down here in sunny Narooma |
| 03:51:40 | argonel | happy monday :) |
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| 04:05:25 | tanq | what menu lets me browse the music on my ipod.. |
| 04:05:45 | tanq | i either messed something up or this isn'y intuitive |
| 04:07:11 | tanq | This is pretty slick though. |
| 04:08:48 | Soap | read the manual about "Database" (assuming your music was put on the iPod by iTunes) |
| 04:10:03 | voltagex | does the Gigabeat F60 run rockbox or is it only the F40 |
| 04:10:42 | hcs | it think it runs on the whole F series |
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| 04:15:29 | tanq | man this is way better than the apple os |
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| 04:19:29 | tanq | Soap: got it. Thanks. |
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| 04:26:39 | fasmaie | voltagex: It runs on all the F series |
| 04:26:46 | fasmaie | Quite well, too |
| 04:26:47 | voltagex | ok |
| 04:27:05 | voltagex | fasmaie: well when you've got a 300mhz processor to play with it should run well! |
| 04:27:18 | fasmaie | voltagex: Yes it should |
| 04:29:16 | voltagex | I want my damn 25fps mpeg playback |
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| 04:48:46 | hcs | any advice on how I can preserve the disassembly for a plugin for examination? |
| 04:48:52 | hcs | *codec, rather |
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| 05:15:38 | JdGordon | hey all... anyone feel like testng a patch? |
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| 05:23:35 | combrains | oops - what happened to the webserver? did it fall outta the sky completley? |
| 05:25:33 | JdGordon | no, some shmuch hacked it again through twiki |
| 05:25:45 | Mikachu | actually zagor deleted it all by himself |
| 05:26:03 | JdGordon | oh he did? |
| 05:26:06 | Mikachu | yep |
| 05:26:10 | Mikachu | scripting error :) |
| 05:26:16 | combrains | oops :P |
| 05:27:06 | combrains | it happens to the best of us :) |
| 05:27:21 | Mikachu | basically they did cd dir; rm *, but dir didn't exist |
| 05:27:30 | JdGordon | oh ouch |
| 05:27:55 | combrains | yowza |
| 05:29:32 | combrains | darn it - I wanted to submit my battery bench this arvo too |
| 05:29:35 | combrains | oh well |
| 05:29:39 | JdGordon | you can |
| 05:29:47 | JdGordon | oh no ignorem me |
| 05:29:53 | JdGordon | i was going to say fs was still up |
| 05:30:01 | JdGordon | but you prob mean time.. not patch |
| 05:32:10 | combrains | yeah - time |
| 05:33:02 | combrains | Its wierd - on the gb bootloader without CPU scaling I got around 15.5 hrs but with scaling I only got around 13 |
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| 05:42:09 | perldiver | combrains |
| 05:42:12 | perldiver | im with you on that |
| 05:42:20 | perldiver | i got 3 hours more without scaling |
| 05:42:50 | combrains | its strange - I thought it would last longer |
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| 05:52:03 | tanq | question.. |
| 05:52:15 | combrains | fire away |
| 05:52:26 | tanq | i modified the background.bmp in one of the themes and now it appears that the theme doesnt work. |
| 05:53:00 | tanq | i thought it was a bit curious since it is just an image and the rendering of the text should be completely separate, right? |
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| 05:53:53 | combrains | yes, did you anly modify the original bmp or replace it with a new one? |
| 05:54:16 | tanq | replaced it with a new bmp |
| 05:54:53 | combrains | is the new one the same name and the right dimensions? |
| 05:54:58 | tanq | i.e. took the original modified it and overwrote it.. |
| 05:55:03 | tanq | yeah the image displays fine. |
| 05:55:11 | combrains | oh |
| 05:55:17 | tanq | the text flickers in and out now though.. if it displays at all. |
| 05:55:49 | tanq | somes songs wont display and some do the flicker only for part of the theme |
| 05:56:02 | combrains | strange. |
| 05:56:08 | tanq | i bet the bmp is too large |
| 05:56:17 | combrains | might be |
| 05:56:18 | tanq | meaning the filesize is too large. |
| 05:56:32 | combrains | yeah - I got that |
| 05:57:15 | combrains | the bmp has to be no more than 16 bit too iirc |
| 05:58:26 | perldiver | i believe 24bit is allowed as well |
| 05:58:57 | combrains | but doesnt that generally make the filesize too big? |
| 05:59:07 | perldiver | depends on the picture |
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| 06:02:02 | tanq | any idea how to check the bits in gimp? |
| 06:04:27 | tanq | well I think gimp does 24bit by default |
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| 06:36:14 | JdGordon | anyone feel like testing a patch? |
| 06:36:19 | JdGordon | please..... |
| 06:36:26 | hcs | what for? |
| 06:36:45 | JdGordon | removing the config block... all settings get saved to a .cfg file now |
| 06:36:55 | JdGordon | fs 6557 or i can compile for you |
| 06:37:24 | hcs | I'm in the middle of testing something else, is it just a matter of seeing if it works? |
| 06:37:47 | JdGordon | pretty much |
| 06:38:06 | JdGordon | just need to know if you notice anything funny, or major slowdowns |
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| 06:41:08 | hcs | now building for ipod color |
| 06:41:45 | JdGordon | before you put it on your ipod, save your config to /.roockbox/conffig.cfg |
| 06:41:48 | JdGordon | config.cfg |
| 06:41:55 | hcs | 'couse |
| 06:42:09 | hcs | my mother didn't raise no fool |
| 06:42:15 | JdGordon | :) |
| 06:44:25 | JdGordon | hcs: oh, ipods dont boost yet do they? |
| 06:44:47 | Llorean | iPods have boosted for a long time. |
| 06:45:05 | hcs | just not terribly stably |
| 06:45:21 | JdGordon | oh ok... hcs: please check if it is boosted after boot, my h300 for some reason is and im not sure why |
| 06:45:42 | Llorean | hcs: The instability is only on the 4G/Photo/Mini1G ones though |
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| 06:51:47 | hcs | uh, it is scanning disc for some reason |
| 06:51:58 | hcs | though I don't have dir cache |
| 06:52:08 | hcs | I guess I reload my config first |
| 06:52:23 | JdGordon | tagcache maybe? |
| 06:53:47 | hcs | it is still doing autoplay for some reason |
| 06:53:56 | hcs | and using some odd WPS |
| 06:54:12 | hcs | and a modified title bar |
| 06:54:23 | hcs | and I can hear nothing |
| 06:54:23 | JdGordon | odd... |
| 06:54:39 | hcs | it looks like it may be recording, actually |
| 06:54:51 | hcs | yeah, that's it |
| 06:55:01 | hcs | I've never seen the recording screen before |
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| 06:58:47 | JdGordon | grrrr! |
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| 07:06:00 | JdGordon | hcs: hmm... ok, something is actually wrong |
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| 08:07:33 | JdGordon | ok, who decided to use off/on instead of yes/no in the configs??? |
| 08:09:11 | tsuyoshi | it was me |
| 08:09:14 | tsuyoshi | sorry about that |
| 08:09:59 | BHSPitLappy | shame |
| 08:13:30 | JdGordon | ok, well now I could really do with some testers.... |
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| 08:16:01 | DogBoy | for what JdGordon |
| 08:16:09 | JdGordon | a biggish patch |
| 08:16:22 | DogBoy | ... |
| 08:16:39 | JdGordon | [16:36:47] <JdGordon> removing the config block... all settings get saved to a .cfg file now |
| 08:18:18 | Redbreva | if you have a build, I am happy to use it on the Nano. |
| 08:18:33 | JdGordon | coming up... |
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| 08:19:29 | sneakums | clearly they should say Affirmative/Negatory |
| 08:19:49 | DogBoy | lol |
| 08:19:54 | Mouser_X | Heh |
| 08:20:39 | JdGordon | Redbreva: jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/rockbox.ipod">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/rockbox.ipod save your config to /.rockbox/config.cfg first please |
| 08:20:45 | hcs | should I be able to output 8 bit PCM from a codec? |
| 08:24:17 | Redbreva | OK, rockbox back up and running (with default config by the look of it) |
| 08:25:11 | Redbreva | Ahh - unable to load a theme! |
| 08:25:44 | Redbreva | No - not quite tru, the theme loads but WPS does not change |
| 08:26:38 | Redbreva | reloaded saved config, and again seems all execept WPS came back |
| 08:26:51 | JdGordon | ok ta |
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| 08:27:01 | JdGordon | I thought i had wps working last night :'( |
| 08:29:35 | Redbreva | hmm, no entry for WPS in the (new) .cfg file |
| 08:31:41 | JdGordon | yeah, I just noticed that also... im checking why |
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| 08:35:41 | amiconn | mo0ning |
| 08:35:59 | amiconn | Bagder: What's up with the download+build server? |
| 08:36:26 | Redbreva | JdGordon: OK, all back and working on previous version.. Have to go now ;-) |
| 08:36:42 | JdGordon | ok, thanks Redbreva |
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| 08:52:16 | JdGordon | would there be any objection to adding laptop friendly keys to the ui sim? |
| 08:52:22 | JdGordon | i.e no numpad |
| 08:52:45 | amiconn | They're already there for most buttons |
| 08:52:55 | amiconn | Some are missing and could be added |
| 08:52:55 | JdGordon | they are+ |
| 08:52:56 | JdGordon | + |
| 08:53:10 | JdGordon | s/+/? |
| 08:53:19 | amiconn | yes |
| 08:53:31 | JdGordon | ok, i might have to add them... toggling numlock on this keyboard is a bit irritating |
| 08:53:33 | amiconn | The directions are also mapped to the cursor keys |
| 08:53:51 | amiconn | Play/select (depending on target) is mapped to Space |
| 08:54:09 | amiconn | Menu (most targets) is mapped to Ins |
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| 08:54:52 | LinusN | stop = Q iirc |
| 08:55:00 | LinusN | or is it A? |
| 08:55:03 | amiconn | and Off/Stop is mapped to Return |
| 08:55:55 | JdGordon | its the F keys... not set out very logically.. but good enough |
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| 08:56:15 | JdGordon | LinusN: its a.. |
| 08:58:31 | amiconn | JdGordon: Hmm, F keys might not always be logical, but consistent across keyboard locales |
| 08:58:42 | JdGordon | I have a phantom code bug... somehow the wps file buffer is being set to 0's inside my loop, while every other filename buffer stays fine :'( |
| 08:58:57 | JdGordon | amiconn: yeah, i guess so, ill put some stickers on them to rememebr |
| 08:59:26 | JdGordon | is global_settings.wps_file in some magical memory area? (sim included? ) |
| 08:59:43 | amiconn | Hmm, and for the archos recorders, F1..F3 _are_ logical :) |
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| 09:03:02 | JdGordon | is it too early to ask for code help? I have no idea where my bug is :'( |
| 09:03:22 | JdGordon | http://rafb.net/p/epKlem73.html bug is explained under the code snippet |
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| 09:07:59 | LinusN | JdGordon: ((char*)settings[i].setting) |
| 09:07:59 | LinusN | [settings[i].filename_setting->max_len] = '\0'; |
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| 09:08:10 | LinusN | doesn't that go beyond the buffer? |
| 09:08:36 | JdGordon | :) i knew i needed a second set of eyes |
| 09:08:38 | JdGordon | cheers |
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| 09:09:50 | JdGordon | all hail the mighty LinusN :D |
| 09:10:03 | LinusN | :-) |
| 09:10:30 | hcs | hi linusN, may I bug you about SPC again? |
| 09:10:52 | hcs | *NSF |
| 09:11:04 | hcs | (I'm working on SPC now, sort of taken over my mind) |
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| 09:17:38 | LinusN | hcs: sure, bug me all you want :-) |
| 09:17:59 | hcs | look at my patch |
| 09:18:20 | hcs | FS #6122 |
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| 09:20:14 | * | Mouser_X also encourages LinusN to commit said NSF patch... |
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| 09:22:28 | LinusN | hcs: well it does break a few of the CONTRIBUTING guidelines, but i guess that's a heritage from notso fatso |
| 09:22:51 | hcs | the variable naming, i take it |
| 09:22:59 | LinusN | yes mostly |
| 09:23:02 | hcs | I did clean it up a lot |
| 09:23:07 | n1s | JdGordon: your latest patch doesn't have the settings_list.[ch] files |
| 09:23:23 | * | JdGordon is going to throw something at this damn computer |
| 09:23:25 | JdGordon | ok, 1 min |
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| 09:23:56 | LinusN | hcs: we tend to be less stringent about this on imported source code, since it makes it easier to merge patches to the original codec |
| 09:24:10 | hcs | ok |
| 09:24:34 | JdGordon | n1s: ok done |
| 09:24:40 | * | n1s tests |
| 09:25:49 | LinusN | hcs: the indentation seems off iin some places |
| 09:26:16 | LinusN | plenty of floating point |
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| 09:26:42 | hcs | not anywhere where it is a problem at runtime |
| 09:26:52 | LinusN | yes, i can see that |
| 09:27:13 | hcs | could you point out where indentation needs cleaning? |
| 09:28:23 | LinusN | well, the general style in rockbox is to have conditional blocks on separate lines |
| 09:29:01 | LinusN | but we have no specific rules about it |
| 09:29:03 | n1s | hmmm, about every other build i make with make -j fails :-( |
| 09:29:10 | LinusN | example: |
| 09:29:10 | LinusN | if(!bFileLoaded) return; |
| 09:30:46 | LinusN | an example of indentation is on line 1956 |
| 09:31:15 | LinusN | hmmm, that switch() looks horrible |
| 09:31:50 | LinusN | i guess the indentation is correct if you expand the hideous macro |
| 09:32:12 | hcs | heh |
| 09:33:01 | LinusN | a nice example of non-KISS source code |
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| 09:33:43 | hcs | very common in emulators |
| 09:33:47 | LinusN | yes |
| 09:34:21 | LinusN | line 4497 is off as well |
| 09:34:46 | LinusN | still, i'm not going to pe picky about such trivial details |
| 09:35:05 | hcs | yay |
| 09:35:09 | Mouser_X | :D |
| 09:36:27 | n1s | JdGordon: Seems to be working nicely now, got to go but will test more later |
| 09:36:31 | | Part n1s |
| 09:36:44 | daurn | JdGordon: hi! |
| 09:36:47 | JdGordon | hey |
| 09:37:07 | JdGordon | has anyone else noticed svn rockbox stays boosted after boot? |
| 09:38:17 | LinusN | JdGordon: since when? |
| 09:38:27 | LinusN | i don't see it on my ipod 5g |
| 09:39:08 | daurn | JdGordon: did you wanna have a go at my gmini? |
| 09:39:20 | JdGordon | LinusN: I dunno, i noticed it yesterday and thought it might be my patch, but its on a week-old svn build, looking for a usb cable so i can test current svn |
| 09:39:41 | LinusN | week-old? |
| 09:39:51 | LinusN | wow |
| 09:40:14 | JdGordon | dinner... bbs |
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| 09:44:32 | Genre9mp3 | JdGordon: boost_counter 0 right after boot, here |
| 09:45:28 | Genre9mp3 | with a build 4 days old, though |
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| 09:53:30 | JdGordon | LinusN: week old because i forgot to svn up before compiling.... |
| 09:53:58 | JdGordon | but i figured its still there because it is in the patched version which doesnt have a single cpu_boost() cal in the patch so it shouldnt make a diff |
| 09:54:42 | combrains | sloth - you around? |
| 09:54:54 | JdGordon | and yes... clean svn does have the extra boost :'( |
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| 10:01:26 | LinusN | can anyone explain why sandisk specifies a maximum operating altitude for their usb flash memories (3048m)? |
| 10:01:45 | LinusN | max storage altitude 12192m |
| 10:01:51 | hcs | any higher might depressurize and let out the magic smoke |
| 10:02:21 | combrains | calling debauched_sloth. you here? |
| 10:05:16 | * | LinusN is watching simulated cloud formations |
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| 10:10:36 | combrains | hey mouser_X3 |
| 10:11:01 | hcs | i think he just auto reconnected |
| 10:11:52 | combrains | yeh - but anyways - I know he's a gigabeat user and Im curious to know if he's done a battery benchmark wiht cpu scaling |
| 10:12:40 | markun | combrains: the results of the benchmarks were verying a lot, we'll do some proper measurements soon |
| 10:12:57 | combrains | ah i see |
| 10:14:08 | combrains | do they vary on the same machiene? or are there just big variations between users |
| 10:14:53 | combrains | im just curiouse |
| 10:14:54 | markun | well, perldriver got a few hours less and someone else (don't remember who) got about 45 minutes more |
| 10:15:17 | combrains | hmm ok |
| 10:15:35 | markun | perl also added the album art patch, not sure how that influenced playback time |
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| 10:15:56 | combrains | I did a benchmark today and also got a few hours less |
| 10:16:04 | markun | measuring the amperes should give us a better picture |
| 10:16:05 | combrains | with a standard build |
| 10:16:21 | combrains | yes - I'm guessing it will |
| 10:16:30 | markun | combrains: if turns our we use more we'll just disable the feature again |
| 10:16:38 | combrains | hehe |
| 10:16:50 | combrains | you'd think that it wpuld use less |
| 10:17:12 | combrains | but computters are suck fickle things :) |
| 10:17:24 | combrains | *such |
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| 10:18:24 | amiconn | linuxstb__: wanna test something? |
| 10:18:56 | * | amiconn would like to see the optimised PP ata transfer tested on several targets |
| 10:19:03 | combrains | BTW markun, have there been any notable comits in the last 24 hrs? I'm just wondering if its worth me doing an SVN up |
| 10:19:46 | Bagderr | "svn st -u" |
| 10:19:51 | amiconn | Preferably at least one of each PP5002, PP5020, PP5021. PP5022 is already tested :) |
| 10:20:02 | Bagderr | combrains: saves you from asking |
| 10:20:31 | combrains | yeah but to do that I have to start my VM and that takes about 5 mins |
| 10:20:41 | Bagderr | gosh |
| 10:20:44 | amiconn | 5 mins?? |
| 10:21:06 | LinusN | amiconn: i can test 5020 |
| 10:21:21 | * | amiconn thinks G5 is PP5021 |
| 10:21:38 | bluebrother | Bagderr: I worked on using the svn revision number as version information on the weekend |
| 10:21:44 | amiconn | 5020 would be ipod G4, Mini G1 or the H10 |
| 10:21:58 | bluebrother | currently I use "r-<release>-<YYMMDD>" as string |
| 10:22:16 | bluebrother | unfortunately, this doesn't fit on the player. All other targets are fine. |
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| 10:24:19 | LinusN | amiconn: ah, config-ipodvideo.h says PP5020, but only because it is register compatible with 5021 |
| 10:24:41 | LinusN | still want me to test? |
| 10:24:51 | amiconn | yes |
| 10:24:58 | LinusN | where is the patch? |
| 10:25:06 | LinusN | or is it in svn? |
| 10:25:25 | Bagderr | bluebrother: maybe we can pass in the plain rev number as well and use that for the player and the longer for all the rest |
| 10:25:28 | * | barrywardell can test 5020 |
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| 10:25:57 | amiconn | LinusN: Yes, they're register compatible. config-mini2g.h also says PP5020 while it's actually PP5022 |
| 10:26:02 | amiconn | Preparing patch... |
| 10:27:37 | bluebrother | hmm. Currently I use the VERSION variable in the Makefile. |
| 10:27:49 | amiconn | http://www.jens-arnold.net/Rockbox/ata-pp.diff |
| 10:27:50 | bluebrother | how is the BUILDDATE variable used? |
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| 10:28:41 | * | bluebrother goes looking into the sources |
| 10:28:59 | amiconn | I also have a test plugin that can test both speed and reliability. It's not included in the patch itself |
| 10:29:13 | amiconn | http://www.jens-arnold.net/Rockbox/test_disk.c |
| 10:30:37 | amiconn | Attn: you'll need 300MB free space or the reliability test will fail. Speed test needs free space the same size as the buffer |
| 10:32:43 | amiconn | bluebrother: We could also make it scroll on the player |
| 10:34:07 | bluebrother | hmm, grepping for VERSION isn't fun ... |
| 10:34:09 | Bagderr | ah, that's indeed a better idea |
| 10:36:14 | amiconn | The scrolling? |
| 10:36:21 | Bagderr | yes |
| 10:37:15 | JdGordon | can I commit a new cpu_boost tracker? |
| 10:37:36 | JdGordon | thread.c:674 seems to be an unmatched boost on the h300 |
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| 10:46:57 | LinusN | JdGordon: only on the h300? |
| 10:47:29 | JdGordon | I dunno, i havnt checked any other targets |
| 10:51:31 | LinusN | amiconn: Create: 5277 Kbyte/s |
| 10:51:46 | LinusN | amiconn: Write A: 5796 Kbyte/s |
| 10:52:03 | LinusN | amiconn: Write U: 5796 Kbyte/s |
| 10:52:21 | LinusN | amiconn: Read A: 2200 Kbyte/s (!!!) |
| 10:52:40 | LinusN | amiconn: Read U: 2151 Kbyte/s (!!!) |
| 10:52:49 | amiconn | Yes, read is slower than write |
| 10:53:02 | amiconn | ...with or without optimisation |
| 10:53:08 | LinusN | how come? |
| 10:53:10 | JdGordon | any objections to fs 6560? a simple cpu_boost tracker which doesnt affect non logf builds |
| 10:53:21 | linuxstb__ | amiconn: Is there a reason you've called it ata-pp.c and not ata-arm.c ? |
| 10:53:25 | LinusN | JdGordon: commit it if it works |
| 10:53:45 | amiconn | Not sure, i guess it's because writes are buffered |
| 10:53:52 | JdGordon | have a look first... it works but im not sure if you like how its done |
| 10:53:58 | linuxstb__ | I mean ata-as-pp.S |
| 10:55:04 | gamkiller | Hey lads. My iRiver died a few weeks ago (seemed like a hardware fault), but I updated rockbox and now it's kicking again. Kind of a fuzzy resolve, but I forgot which people I spoke to. |
| 10:55:44 | amiconn | linuxstb__: Yes. (1) it contains the ata data port address which is PP specific. (2) The only other arm target with ata is the gigabeat, which already does optimised ata (with dma) |
| 10:56:05 | markun | amiconn: will you commit test_disk.c to svn? |
| 10:56:16 | markun | sounds like a useful tool |
| 10:56:17 | barrywardell | amiconn: i have H10 results with your test |
| 10:56:27 | barrywardell | without patch: |
| 10:56:34 | barrywardell | create 9078 |
| 10:56:40 | barrywardell | write a 12153 |
| 10:56:46 | barrywardell | write u 8091 |
| 10:56:57 | barrywardell | read a 5279 |
| 10:57:03 | barrywardell | read u 4491 |
| 10:57:05 | amiconn | markun: I pondered doing so. That was in fact the reason why I combined 2 of my test plugins into one, with a proper menu and some other fixes (e.g. cleaup at the end) |
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| 10:57:31 | amiconn | barrywardell: Wow, 12MB/s write (!) |
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| 10:58:06 | LinusN | JdGordon: is it really interesting to have it track only the first 32 calls to cpu_boost? |
| 10:58:08 | amiconn | barrywardell, LinusN: Please also run the reliability test. There should be no error |
| 10:58:27 | LinusN | running... |
| 10:58:30 | JdGordon | LinusN: what max should it be? |
| 10:58:39 | jba | still with the server wipe |
| 10:58:46 | jba | wonder who did the rm -rf / ? |
| 10:59:01 | barrywardell | amiconn: yes, i'm very surprised by the speed |
| 10:59:18 | LinusN | JdGordon: i meant why the *first* and not the last |
| 10:59:54 | barrywardell | amiconn: asm optimised version: |
| 10:59:59 | barrywardell | create 9218 |
| 11:00 |
| 11:00:04 | barrywardell | write a 12303 |
| 11:00:10 | JdGordon | LinusN: because ts easier to code... but yeah, your right |
| 11:00:12 | barrywardell | write u 12303 |
| 11:00:17 | barrywardell | read a 6281 |
| 11:00:27 | barrywardell | read u 6064 |
| 11:04:54 | barrywardell | amiconn: test passed! |
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| 11:05:38 | amiconn | nice :) |
| 11:06:17 | amiconn | Write speed seems to be limited by the disk with the patch |
| 11:06:30 | amiconn | Same as on my mini, only at a higher level... |
| 11:07:34 | amiconn | LinusN, barrywardell: Are these speeds boosted or unboosted? |
| 11:07:54 | markun | amiconn: should you code also work on other ARM targets or are there any PP specific things in there? |
| 11:08:03 | LinusN | amiconn: ah, i have to boost manually? |
| 11:08:09 | barrywardell | amiconn: h10 always runs boosted |
| 11:09:06 | amiconn | markun: The code should work on other arm targets provided (1) the port address is adjusted, (2) they're little endian (3) ata is mmio |
| 11:09:07 | LinusN | i don't even know how to boost manually on the 5g |
| 11:09:25 | amiconn | The same way as on irivers, X5, ... |
| 11:09:37 | amiconn | Just the wheel is mapped the wrong way round |
| 11:09:57 | amiconn | barrywardell: Oh? That's bad for battery runtime... |
| 11:10:11 | LinusN | ok, i got it |
| 11:10:20 | LinusN | create: 9799 |
| 11:10:26 | LinusN | write a: 12801 |
| 11:10:34 | LinusN | write u: 13136 |
| 11:10:40 | LinusN | read a: 4470 |
| 11:10:50 | LinusN | read u: 4483 |
| 11:11:00 | LinusN | @75MHz |
| 11:11:29 | amiconn | Nice speeds :) |
| 11:11:36 | LinusN | yup |
| 11:11:56 | amiconn | However, it looks like if we knew more about the PP, we could get even better speed |
| 11:12:20 | amiconn | Read speed difference between H10 and G5 is rather large |
| 11:12:22 | barrywardell | amiconn: yes. but with frequency scaling enabled it doesn't run long enough for battery time to matter ;) |
| 11:13:10 | amiconn | barrywardell: If I had a PP5020 target, I'd consider fixing frequency scaling top priority... |
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| 11:17:50 | barrywardell | i had a go at it...no luck yet |
| 11:18:18 | LinusN | amiconn: test passed |
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| 11:19:26 | amiconn | LinusN: Goodie |
| 11:19:47 | amiconn | Now only PP5002 is missing.... guess I hafta wait for dan_a |
| 11:20:06 | linuxstb__ | amiconn: I've found the G5 much faster when running the Apple firmware than my Photo (e.g. when booting). So it could be hardware issues, rather than us doing something wrong. |
| 11:20:40 | linuxstb__ | (talking about disk access speed) |
| 11:21:32 | amiconn | But here it's the other way round... |
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| 11:27:29 | linuxstb__ | Here are the results for my 30GB 5g - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/speed.txt I'm just about to do the Photo tests now. |
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| 11:36:03 | GodEater | hurrah - thanks Bagder ;) |
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| 11:38:32 | JdGordon | LinusN: ok, I changed it to remember the last 64 boost calls... commit? |
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| 11:40:02 | GodEater | Llorean: I managed to snag a gigabeat for $146 including shipping to the UK. |
| 11:40:48 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hmm, the photo is way slower than the H10... really odd... |
| 11:42:44 | GodEater | what are the "a" and "u" in those reports amiconn ? |
| 11:42:54 | Llorean | GodEater: I'm guessing Aligned and Un |
| 11:42:59 | GodEater | ah |
| 11:43:02 | GodEater | of course |
| 11:43:09 | Llorean | But that's a guess, because I see those words so often in here. :) |
| 11:43:11 | DataGhost | hey GodEater :) |
| 11:43:23 | markun | GodEater: hmm, why is everyone so interested in the Gigabeat these days :) |
| 11:43:23 | GodEater | I'm guessing you're correct though |
| 11:43:31 | GodEater | morning DataGhost ;) |
| 11:43:45 | DataGhost | do you have an iPod? :) |
| 11:44:04 | DataGhost | because I either forgot or never saw you mention anything about it |
| 11:44:12 | GodEater | I'm trying to beat Lloread on number of rockbox platforms owned :) |
| 11:44:19 | DataGhost | heh |
| 11:44:23 | Llorean | I'm not the one to be beat, I'm sure. |
| 11:44:24 | GodEater | yes DG - I've got the 80GB - same as you |
| 11:44:29 | DataGhost | ah ok |
| 11:44:34 | DataGhost | mind giving my loader a try? |
| 11:44:40 | GodEater | sure :) |
| 11:44:46 | DataGhost | this night, it failed on DerPapst's 80GB because his MBR was different |
| 11:44:50 | DataGhost | that should have been fixed nwo |
| 11:44:50 | GodEater | there's no ext3 partition though - so no iPL booting |
| 11:44:51 | DataGhost | now |
| 11:44:56 | DataGhost | doesn't matter :) |
| 11:45:09 | * | GodEater fishes for cables |
| 11:45:13 | DataGhost | it should be able to boot the apple OS.. it'll even detect rockbox from fat32 :) |
| 11:45:31 | DataGhost | http://de.dataghost.com/ipl/ipodloader-20070122-2.tar.bz2 http://de.dataghost.com/ipl/ipodloader-20070122-2.tar.bz2.md5 |
| 11:45:40 | GodEater | I should probably try putting a rockbox image on there then :) |
| 11:45:45 | DataGhost | hehe |
| 11:45:48 | amiconn | GodEater: Yes, aligned and unaligned |
| 11:45:48 | GodEater | and give it something to detect |
| 11:45:58 | DataGhost | or a linux.bin |
| 11:46:00 | DataGhost | it'll detect that aswell |
| 11:46:10 | amiconn | markun: I would be interested in speed results from the gigabeat... |
| 11:46:10 | DataGhost | but panic when mounting the root disk :) |
| 11:46:30 | GodEater | heh |
| 11:46:35 | GodEater | right - gimme a sec |
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| 11:46:38 | amiconn | I think the unaligned part could be adapted for it. I know that aligned is handled with dma |
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| 11:46:49 | DataGhost | 38.99.76.9 - - [22/Jan/2007:11:46:29 +0100] "GET /ipl/boot2/IMG_7621c.jpg HTTP/1.0" 200 29555 "-" "ImageShack Image Fetcher 1.0" |
| 11:46:56 | DataGhost | good thing I put my signature on my pictures :o |
| 11:47:11 | GodEater | ah - you'll need to gimme a binary |
| 11:47:15 | GodEater | I've no iPL toolchain |
| 11:47:16 | DataGhost | oh |
| 11:47:21 | DataGhost | that's even easier then :) |
| 11:47:28 | GodEater | which is why I never helped you with fixing Loader2 myself |
| 11:47:28 | DataGhost | hold on |
| 11:47:34 | DataGhost | hehe |
| 11:47:40 | GodEater | but thanks for the source - it'll make interesting reading |
| 11:48:13 | DataGhost | make: arm-uclinux-elf-gcc: Command not found |
| 11:48:16 | DataGhost | duh. wrong server |
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| 11:49:58 | DataGhost | http://de.dataghost.com/ipl/loaderdg.bin http://de.dataghost.com/ipl/loaderdg.bin.md5 |
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| 11:50:02 | markun | amiconn: with boosting abour 6MB for everything |
| 11:50:20 | linuxstb | amiconn: Stress test passed on my both Video and Photo. |
| 11:50:20 | markun | that's with our DMA optimization |
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| 11:57:53 | GodEater | booted apple os fine |
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| 11:58:55 | * | GodEater builds a rockbox.ipod to put on the ipod to test that bit of detection |
| 12:00 |
| 12:00:14 | GodEater | what has DerPapst done to his MBR to stop it working then ? Is it still the manually hacked one he had when he was working out if the linux kernel would read his HD at all ? |
| 12:00:24 | amiconn | markun: For both aligned and unaligned?? |
| 12:00:32 | GodEater | i.e. the one from the screenshots on ipodlinux.org/5.5g ? |
| 12:00:42 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Zagor " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 12:00:48 | Topic | "www server wiped. restore from backup in progress." by Zagor (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) |
| 12:00:52 | * | amiconn would expect unaligned to be significantly slower than aligned. |
| 12:01:07 | amiconn | ALigned uses dma while unaligned uses unoptimised C code |
| 12:01:48 | markun | amiconn: yes, I know, very strange |
| 12:02:36 | markun | but good to have your test plugin, now we can try to actually make it go faster |
| 12:03:52 | GodEater | DataGhost: sweet! It detected Rockbox too! |
| 12:04:00 | DataGhost | :) |
| 12:04:02 | DataGhost | it works? |
| 12:04:05 | GodEater | yup |
| 12:04:07 | JdGordon | anyone fell like discussing fs 6557? |
| 12:04:15 | DataGhost | nice :) |
| 12:05:24 | GodEater | it could do without the "Menu: diskmode, Prev:reboot, Other cont." IMHO though |
| 12:06:16 | DataGhost | yes |
| 12:06:18 | DataGhost | that's debugging stuff |
| 12:06:21 | DataGhost | :) |
| 12:06:25 | GodEater | I gathered |
| 12:06:37 | GodEater | but I'd call that a successful test though |
| 12:06:56 | GodEater | you can even attempt to boot rockbox as well as having it just detect it |
| 12:07:08 | GodEater | it just fails at the MBR test (as expected) - but you get the Rockbox logo |
| 12:07:14 | barrywardell | markun: does booting the OF work on the current gigabeat bootloader? it doesn't look like it from the code... |
| 12:07:15 | DataGhost | :) |
| 12:07:35 | GodEater | have you had it tested on other iPods yet ? |
| 12:07:48 | DataGhost | yes, on my 4G and on DerPapst's 5.5G 80GB |
| 12:07:55 | DataGhost | he's going to test it on his 3G today |
| 12:08:02 | DataGhost | I haven't had any macpod to test, though |
| 12:08:04 | * | GodEater looks round for other volunteers with different models |
| 12:08:22 | DataGhost | so I installed osx on my laptop to convert my 5.5G.. but I probably told you already :) |
| 12:08:47 | GodEater | I think so yes |
| 12:09:25 | markun | barrywardell: no, doesn't work |
| 12:09:36 | linuxstb | JdGordon: What's the FOR_NB_SETTINGS() macro for? |
| 12:09:56 | * | JdGordon being lazy again |
| 12:10:15 | barrywardell | markun: it looks like it always reads rockbox.gigabeat for both of and rockbox booting. that can't be right |
| 12:10:16 | * | JdGordon has to get out of that habbit |
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| 12:11:42 | markun | barrywardell: to boot the original firmware we need to load several files into memory, unencrypt them and set some registers to the right values before executing the linux kernel (at leas that's what I think) |
| 12:12:13 | markun | We can store them on the HDD unencrypted also, maybe that's easier |
| 12:12:47 | markun | and give them proper names like "rootfs.img" and "kernel.bin" for example |
| 12:13:25 | barrywardell | markun: ah, ok. the of loading code in there is useless then |
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| 12:14:09 | DerPapst_ | good morning :) |
| 12:14:34 | GodEater | Greetings. |
| 12:14:40 | markun | barrywardell: I would be more interested in booting linux as a dual boot option, but than someone first needs to do a port :) |
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| 12:17:42 | Zagor | there will be a 1 hour and 45 minutes "data gap" due to the accident. the last backed up files were modified 03:05 and the wipe happened at 04:50. |
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| 12:18:09 | Zagor | however, the twiki log (which survived) says there was just one single edit during that time |
| 12:18:41 | linuxstb | Which file was edited? |
| 12:18:48 | linuxstb | And do you know by whom? |
| 12:18:51 | markun | Zagor: so, did the server get hacked or was it something else? |
| 12:18:52 | Zagor | MajorChanges, edit by ZakkRoberts |
| 12:18:53 | DerPapst_ | why do poeple do such a thing :8 |
| 12:19:08 | Zagor | markun: not hacked, foul-up by me |
| 12:19:36 | Zagor | buggy cronjob ran wild |
| 12:19:38 | markun | DerPapst_: so, ask Zagor why he does such things :P |
| 12:20:07 | Zagor | the irc log survived too, so there should be very little data loss in total |
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| 12:20:12 | robin0800 | Any estimate when it will all be back up? |
| 12:20:25 | Zagor | I'm extracting it right now. But it's a lot of data so it takes a while. |
| 12:20:26 | DerPapst_ | heh... vandalized implied being hacked for me :P |
| 12:20:33 | GodEater | First commandment of shell scripting : Thou shalt not concatenate commands with ";" but rather with "&&" |
| 12:21:09 | Zagor | DerPapst_: yes, I thought we had been hacked again. turns out I was, happily, wrong. |
| 12:21:49 | DerPapst_ | "good" to hear |
| 12:22:35 | GodEater | talking of vandalised.... DerPapst_ is your 80GB MBR still manually hacked ? |
| 12:22:56 | DerPapst_ | never was manually hacked |
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| 12:23:20 | GodEater | ah - must have been DataGhost that did that then |
| 12:23:29 | DerPapst_ | DataaGhost hacked his mbr. |
| 12:23:32 | GodEater | wonder why his new Loader2 doesn't work on yours then |
| 12:23:35 | DataGhost | no, heh |
| 12:23:36 | DataGhost | it does now |
| 12:23:38 | GodEater | works fine on mine ;) |
| 12:23:49 | DataGhost | his MBR reports the correct number of logical blocks |
| 12:23:52 | DerPapst_ | and from him are the screenshot on the 5.5G wikipage at iPL.org |
| 12:23:54 | DataGhost | mine doesn't |
| 12:24:13 | DataGhost | since I didn't check for that, his iPod tried to read the partitions 4x as far away again :) |
| 12:24:23 | DataGhost | Now I'm just trying them both |
| 12:24:33 | DataGhost | and the original layout |
| 12:24:57 | DataGhost | I don't recall changing that logical blocks thingy, by the way |
| 12:25:04 | DataGhost | it wasn't documented on wikipedia |
| 12:25:16 | DataGhost | so either it was that way when I got it or fdisk changed it |
| 12:25:23 | barrywardell | markun: any chance you could test FS #6554 please? |
| 12:25:52 | barrywardell | also needs testing on X5, H100 and H300... |
| 12:27:47 | markun | barrywardell: I'd rather not play with the bootloader right now because I will not have a way to recover here |
| 12:28:45 | barrywardell | markun: ok, np. |
| 12:29:23 | DerPapst_ | i g2g. university. If i'm back home i'll test loader2 on my 3G |
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| 12:31:08 | markun | barrywardell: shouldn't the patch include changes to the gigabeat bootloader? |
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| 12:31:31 | markun | ah, forget that.. |
| 12:31:44 | Llorean | barrywardell: There are _very_ few people who can safely test changes to the H100/H300 bootloader. The only recovery process is using external hardware. |
| 12:33:00 | barrywardell | Llorean: yes, I'm aware of that being a problem...is LinusN able to do it? |
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| 12:38:02 | Nico_P | barrywardell: AFAIK, yes, he is |
| 12:40:15 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Hi. Any progress with the cue support? |
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| 12:41:40 | Nico_P | linuxstb: hi... not really. all i've done recently was fix a small bug with the calculation of some track offsets. noting else because i was sick this week end and had some exams to study |
| 12:42:18 | barrywardell | Nico_P: k. i'll try to catch him some time |
| 12:42:39 | Nico_P | i'm having a lot of school work currently |
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| 12:44:29 | Nico_P | linuxstb: by any chance, have you had some new ideas/discussions about how to manage cuesheets and the memory they use (and album art too) ? |
| 12:45:48 | linuxstb | No. I think in the short term we have to live with extra disk spinups, and hope that metadata-on-buffer happens. |
| 12:46:57 | Nico_P | hmm... so you think the plugin buffer isn't a good idea ? |
| 12:47:45 | linuxstb | It just feels like a hack, and a complicated one at that - needing to deal with cases where the plugin buffer is being used whilst the buffering happens etc. |
| 12:48:07 | Nico_P | yes |
| 12:48:44 | Nico_P | in the case of cuesheets, the disk spinups should be rather rare for most users |
| 12:48:52 | Nico_P | so i suppose it would be acceptable |
| 12:49:28 | amiconn | The playlist viewer also uses the plugin buffer, so it cannot be used for cue sheet |
| 12:49:29 | amiconn | s |
| 12:49:40 | Nico_P | for album art maybe i could also try to minimise them by reserving space for 3 or 4 bitmaps |
| 12:50:15 | linuxstb | I think we could greatly reduce the memory usage for cuesheets though - storing the text as variable length strings, rather than fixed length. |
| 12:50:55 | amiconn | Imho metadata on buffer should be a requirement for album art |
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| 12:51:02 | Nico_P | amiconn: i agree metatdata on buffer would be better but it could work quite elegantly without |
| 12:51:25 | Nico_P | linuxstb: how woud that work ? |
| 12:51:54 | linuxstb | My feeling is that it's one of the most popular features in the unofficial builds, and it would be a good thing for Rockbox in general to try and reduce the demand for unofficial builds. So I'm in favour of committing a relatively inefficent version, given the requirement that there is minimal impact for people who don't use album art. |
| 12:52:36 | pondlife | JdGordon: Thanks for the CPU boost tracker if you're still around..! |
| 12:52:41 | JdGordon | ;) |
| 12:52:52 | Nico_P | the impact on people who don't use it would be reduced to increased code size and an additional setting |
| 12:53:04 | JdGordon | linuxstb: I disagree... but thats case i dont use AA |
| 12:53:04 | pondlife | Am also checking your new settings patch |
| 12:53:19 | linuxstb | JdGordon: You think unofficial builds are a good thing? |
| 12:53:45 | GodEater | I think he meant he'd rather not see an inefficient solution commited |
| 12:53:53 | JdGordon | no, but i dont think an inefficient AA should be included |
| 12:53:57 | * | GodEater 's psychic powers |
| 12:54:06 | GodEater | hehe |
| 12:54:12 | Nico_P | linuxstb: i agree album art should get commited (why wouldn't I ? ;) ), but i think there will still be a demand for unofficial builds no matter what |
| 12:54:41 | linuxstb | Yes, but Album Art is a feature lots of people want - no-one can deny the demand. |
| 12:54:41 | Nico_P | unless we include all the patches in the tracker |
| 12:54:42 | JdGordon | MOB is definatly the way to go... who knows the buffer code well enough to add it tho? |
| 12:54:43 | * | amiconn personally thinks that both aa and cuesheet support are weird features |
| 12:54:44 | GodEater | which solution for AA is being considered here? BMP file approach, or stored in tags ? |
| 12:55:02 | linuxstb | GodEater: BMP file. |
| 12:55:14 | Nico_P | amiconn: color is also a weird feature to you, isn't it ? ;-) |
| 12:55:58 | Nico_P | JdGordon: i don't see metadata on buffer coming anytime soon |
| 12:56:05 | amiconn | No, not colour in itself, although it doesn't have much value |
| 12:56:11 | JdGordon | Nico_P: same :( |
| 12:56:21 | amiconn | I would be less inclined against colour if the displays were better |
| 12:56:31 | markun | Nico_P, JdGordon: it's very difficult? |
| 12:56:33 | amiconn | ...i.e. readable without backlight |
| 12:56:40 | pondlife | It would be good if someone just looked into the current buffering bugs before adding AA... |
| 12:56:51 | Nico_P | and i'd appreiciate it a lot if i didn't have to sync my patches all the time |
| 12:56:55 | JdGordon | markun: I dont know that part of the code.. |
| 12:57:03 | markun | amiconn: I think the ipod color has a transflexive colour display, no? |
| 12:57:22 | amiconn | The video's lcd is _somewhat_ readable w/o backlight |
| 12:57:25 | Nico_P | markun: it's quite hard even for someone who knwos the playback code |
| 12:57:52 | Nico_P | because the playback code is a bit of a mess |
| 12:57:54 | amiconn | The color's lcd is pitch black w/o backlight, same as H300 or X5 |
| 12:58:27 | Nico_P | pondlife: the way AA is done curently, it doesn't interfere with buffering |
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| 12:59:39 | pondlife | Ah, ok. I was just mentioning that because I was DJing using Rockbox on 2 H340s at the weekend and all went well apart from once when one decided it wouldn't rebufffer! |
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| 13:00:08 | pondlife | I've seen this before, it's related to the 32-track info wraparound I think. |
| 13:00:12 | markun | amiconn: my friend's ipod then probably had the backlight dimmed and I just thought it was off |
| 13:00:36 | Nico_P | pondlife: you know the playback code rather well, don't you ? |
| 13:00:39 | pondlife | I really need to spend a day or 2 on it. Maybe a weekend at the end of Feb. |
| 13:00:57 | Nico_P | that would be great |
| 13:01:04 | * | pondlife has too much RLC to do unfortunately. You can guess what the C stands for. |
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| 13:05:23 | Nico_P | linuxstb: would you ellaborate the variable length strings idea ? |
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| 13:07:17 | JdGordon | Nico_P: the idea is you have a big static array, and then when you need a string you pioint into the array at he end of the used part |
| 13:08:00 | JdGordon | gwps uses that for the bmp buffers.... |
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| 13:08:26 | Nico_P | ok that's what i thought, but how is it more economical ? you still have to have enough room for the case when all strings are of max length, don't you ? |
| 13:08:27 | JdGordon | I personally dont like that appraoch and <ducks> would love to replace that with a proper malloc |
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| 13:09:11 | Mikachu | i'd like to see you malloc from an in-use ringbuffer |
| 13:09:21 | JdGordon | Nico_P: you can potentially fit more in because all strings are not limited to MAX_LEN |
| 13:09:37 | linuxstb | Nico_P: You don't deal with the case where all strings are max_length - instead of limiting the size of individual strings, you limit the total size of the strings. |
| 13:09:45 | JdGordon | Mikachu: never.... the only way a malloc would work is if a pool was allocated first from the audio buffer |
| 13:09:53 | linuxstb | Both cases are an artificial limit... |
| 13:10:09 | Mikachu | so you might allocate all that memory from the start |
| 13:11:00 | Nico_P | linuxstb: i still don't see how it will save memory... with that method i'd be inclined to reserve at least as much space as what's currently reserved, if not more |
| 13:11:04 | Mikachu | isn't it much harder to keep track of free memory with mallocing random strings? |
| 13:12:22 | Nico_P | and is a malloc in an in-use ring buffer that hard to do ? |
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| 13:12:36 | JdGordon | Nico_P: I agree, but with that method there is less chance that strings wont fit, so thats a nice benefit... even tho you waste moe with storing pointers |
| 13:12:47 | JdGordon | malloc in the audio buffer wont work at all |
| 13:12:58 | Mikachu | if you want to keep the ringbuffer contiguous, you might have to wait for music to play at times :) |
| 13:13:52 | * | amiconn wonders why some devs want malloc so badly |
| 13:13:56 | Nico_P | i thouth it would be possible to decrease "filebuflen" to create some room after the filebuffer and if there is something there we move it to the current write position |
| 13:14:03 | amiconn | Imho malloc only complicates things while solving nothing |
| 13:14:06 | JdGordon | hey pixelma, can you try out fs 6557 on your ondio and lemme know if there is speed problems like you mentioned? |
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| 13:14:47 | Nico_P | amiconn: i don't want it particularly but i agree it would make implementing the "weird features" a bit easier |
| 13:15:41 | pixelma | JdGordon: will do now... after reading n1s's first comment yesterday night I thought I would wait a bit first... ;) |
| 13:15:49 | linuxstb | But wouldn't the malloc buffer need to be big enough to deal with the worst case? In which case, you can just allocate them statically. |
| 13:16:21 | JdGordon | pixelma: hehe, I dont think there are any bugs left... (althought i thought that last night also :'( ) |
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| 13:17:20 | Nico_P | linuxstb: yes but couln't we try to have it eat bits of the file buffer when we need them ? |
| 13:17:34 | Nico_P | and then give them back |
| 13:17:37 | linuxstb | What if the file buffer is full? |
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| 13:18:11 | Nico_P | then we might have to sacrifice a bit of what's in it ? |
| 13:18:19 | JdGordon | linuxstb: once the malloc buffer is full the feature would have to fail... my idea would mean the user would set the malloc buffer size, depending on what stuff he wants |
| 13:18:45 | linuxstb | Nico_P: But which bit? You don't want to fragment the ringbuffer. |
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| 13:19:14 | * | Bagderr is against malloc until a really good reason is presented |
| 13:19:14 | Nico_P | we'd need to do a bit of moving... |
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| 13:19:39 | Mikachu | shuffling around 30MB of data isn't exactly fast |
| 13:19:45 | linuxstb | Nico_P: But the codec could be using the data you're wanting to move... |
| 13:19:47 | Nico_P | yeah, actually when i think about it, it would be a lot of moving |
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| 13:21:10 | Nico_P | Bagderr: and what's your position on commiting album art without metadata on buffer (but with a setting to disable it completely) ? |
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| 13:21:14 | GodEater | makes you wonder what people did before there was malloc() |
| 13:22:13 | amiconn | Memory fragmentation is a real problem with malloc on systems without mmu |
| 13:22:35 | amiconn | And embedded systems usually don't have an mmu |
| 13:22:42 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Why do you need an explicit setting - the presence of the AA tag in the current .wps tells you if album art is enabled. |
| 13:23:32 | Nico_P | that's true, but the setting would say if we want to use buffer_alloc... i was thinking this could help reduce the disk spinups |
| 13:24:11 | Nico_P | and also using only the WPS tag causes a problem (not a serious one though) with the fact of changing the WPS |
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| 13:25:43 | linuxstb | But it complicates things from a user's point of view - having to enable a setting to make their WPS work. |
| 13:25:55 | JdGordon | linuxstb: yeah, if these features went in before MoB they really should have an explicit kill settng for those that dont want them |
| 13:26:03 | Nico_P | i agree |
| 13:26:37 | linuxstb | Yes, I agree, but the wps tag is enough for the album art case IMO. |
| 13:27:41 | JdGordon | no its not.. the point of the setting is so it knows to alloc space on boot... there should be a splash if a wps needing it is loaded and AA isnt enabed |
| 13:28:07 | linuxstb | But the wps is loaded on boot, at a time when you can still do buffer_alloc. |
| 13:28:21 | JdGordon | oh? ok then |
| 13:28:25 | Bagderr | what data would need to be allocated? |
| 13:28:34 | JdGordon | space for the images |
| 13:28:47 | Bagderr | isn't that supposed to be in the buffer? |
| 13:29:01 | Nico_P | Bagderr: not until we have MoB |
| 13:29:03 | JdGordon | linuxstb: you still have a problem with wps' being loaded after boot tho |
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| 13:29:26 | Bagderr | right, but it feels a bit weird to hack in something this complicated just as a work-around until the real thing comes |
| 13:29:33 | Nico_P | JdGordon: yes but the only problem will be the disk spinning a little more often |
| 13:29:47 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Yes, users will need to reboot after loading a WPS with album art for the first time. |
| 13:30:03 | JdGordon | ok |
| 13:30:12 | * | JdGordon agrees with Bagderr |
| 13:30:23 | linuxstb | It doesn't seem complicated to me. |
| 13:30:33 | Nico_P | Bagderr: it's not really *that* complicated |
| 13:30:44 | Bagderr | and also |
| 13:30:47 | Nico_P | especially that it's almost all in the patch already |
| 13:31:05 | Bagderr | when added in the bad way, thre will be next to no motivation for people to fix the problem |
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| 13:32:09 | amiconn | JdGordon: The same problem would arise with an explicit setting |
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| 13:32:17 | linuxstb | Motivation doesn't help - the album art patch has been around for 8 months or so and no-one has implemented metadata on buffer. |
| 13:32:51 | linuxstb | metadata-on-buffer is a good thing for lots of reasons, not just album art. |
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| 13:34:56 | JdGordon | does anyone actually know how the buffer andling works? |
| 13:35:35 | JdGordon | I mean, is data just copied onto it untill it runs out? or is the length of the needed chunck given? |
| 13:36:06 | Nico_P | JdGordon: it's a ring buffer |
| 13:36:08 | amiconn | Metadata on buffer would have the advantage to not wasting ram (only as many metadata slot allocated as actually used, plus one for the currently playing track, instead of a fixed number of 16 (hwcodec) or 30 (swcodec)) |
| 13:36:18 | preglow | myep |
| 13:36:24 | preglow | it would definitely be nice |
| 13:36:33 | amiconn | At the same time, there wouldn't be the problem that metadata slots get used up before the buffer is full |
| 13:36:44 | amiconn | (the "Norwegian language course" problem) |
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| 13:38:21 | JdGordon | Nico_P: that I know.. but we can still pretend it has a set size.... so does data just get dumped onto it untill it wraps around onto itself? or does ssomething control how much goes on? |
| 13:38:32 | Nico_P | i'd like to know if AA would be commited before MoB... if not i'll just sync it when it needs to be and work on other things until MoB arrives (i don't feel up to implementing MoB myself yet) |
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| 13:40:09 | Nico_P | JdGordon: that i'm not sure but i suppose there is a check to prevent the write position to "overtake" the read position |
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| 13:40:55 | Nico_P | i'd be willing to adapt AA to MoB once MoB comes |
| 13:41:43 | JdGordon | btw, MoB gets yucky when we think about stuff like each track may have more than 1 item of metadata on the buffer... |
| 13:41:51 | JdGordon | no reason why a .cue couldnt also have AA |
| 13:43:02 | linuxstb | The way I see it working, is that a file would have the standard mp3info struct, plus some optional structs - cuesheet, album art, etc as needed. |
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| 13:43:39 | linuxstb | These would then need to be copied into a single static buffer when the track starts to be played (so the buffer can be freed). |
| 13:44:34 | Nico_P | linuxstb: then we still have the issue of the size of that static buffer :) but i suppose it's not too important if it's only one |
| 13:44:35 | Zagor | aaand presto. www is back. |
| 13:44:52 | Nico_P | Zagor: nice :) |
| 13:45:17 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Yes, and it the extra buffers would still need to be optional, and allocated via buffer_alloc at boot. |
| 13:45:24 | Nico_P | Zagor: maybe a little news item about how cron hacked rockbox ? :) |
| 13:45:45 | Zagor | :) |
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| 13:46:50 | preglow | During the weekend, some idiot hacker going by the name of Cr0N hacked rockbox.org for dubious gains. |
| 13:47:34 | preglow | We shall all endeavour to have him shot. |
| 13:47:42 | JdGordon | linuxstb: na, the extra buffer would be OK to statically allocate if MoB was done imo |
| 13:48:04 | JdGordon | oh hang on... no scratch that |
| 13:48:26 | pixelma | JdGordon: first impression after compiling a patched and unpatched version... I think the older patch saved a lot more binary size (if only I could remember the numbers...). |
| 13:48:47 | JdGordon | pixelma: this version only touches the settings storage.. not the menus, so there sholdnt be much difference in the bin size |
| 13:49:42 | JdGordon | is a ring buffer with a gap theoretically workable? (the gap being the current tracks metadata) |
| 13:49:52 | pixelma | maybe my memory tricks me here |
| 13:50:12 | JdGordon | pixelma: as long as it doesnt increase it by heaps im happy |
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| 13:52:38 | JdGordon | ok... well seen as the topic died.... anyone had any thoughts on the settings patch? |
| 13:53:20 | pixelma | ah... I see. So it's nice to tell you that it decreased binary size by 340 bytes for a backlight modded Ondio :) |
| 13:53:22 | Viktor | hi there, got a question... Does Rockbox works on s1mp3 players? |
| 13:53:53 | JdGordon | pixelma: woopee :D |
| 13:53:59 | markun | Viktor: no, it doesn't |
| 13:54:11 | Viktor | no? mhh thanks |
| 13:54:16 | markun | but I believe there is another project working on a firmware |
| 13:54:35 | Topic | "mpegplayer is included, you don't have to download it separately" by Zagor (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) |
| 13:54:35 | Viktor | u mean s1mp3.org |
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| 13:54:40 | markun | Viktor: yes |
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| 13:55:06 | muesli__ | Zagor how many fps on h3xx are possible so far? |
| 13:55:31 | Zagor | no idea. I just thought it was a useful topic :) |
| 13:55:36 | muesli__ | ;-) |
| 13:56:05 | linuxstb | Maybe also worth saying it's incomplete and buggy and Popular Science need to do better fact checking... |
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| 13:56:16 | markun | Viktor: are am I wrong? |
| 13:56:28 | markun | or.. |
| 13:57:13 | linuxstb | muesli__: The PluginMpegplayer wiki page has some speed tests on various targets. |
| 13:57:32 | Viktor | no it works on it, but im not sure if there is another ui for the players |
| 13:57:41 | Viktor | they just work on firmware i think |
| 13:58:11 | markun | what do you mean? They modify the original firmware? |
| 13:58:12 | muesli__ | i suppose 224x176 means full screen on h300`? |
| 13:58:20 | linuxstb | Yes. |
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| 14:02:08 | linuxstb | muesli__: No, it needs updating and cleaning up. |
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| 14:10:17 | XavierGr | hcs: now the SPC patch is indeed a little faster but still needs quite some optimization to be realtime on other targets except Gigabeat |
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| 14:17:06 | pixelma | JdGordon: it seems to have loaded the most visible things like font, wps, backlight from the config.cfg correctly - but not the fmr-file for the radio it says "no settings found..." |
| 14:19:45 | pixelma | hmm... and I don't hear my spoken menus... |
| 14:20:27 | JdGordon | voice works fine here.... ill check fmr tomorow... but they should work :( |
| 14:20:48 | pondlife | I'm about to try it...! |
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| 14:22:47 | pondlife | I get voice menus ok. |
| 14:23:45 | pondlife | Although loading settings during playback makes the music volume very loud! |
| 14:24:08 | pondlife | Probably due to enabling ReplayGain with pre-amp... |
| 14:26:51 | JdGordon | pondlife: you got the patch in the last comment right? the one in the topic had a bug which set the volume to 0 |
| 14:26:56 | pondlife | Yes |
| 14:27:19 | pondlife | Maybe my saved CFG file had volume:0 in it. |
| 14:27:39 | pondlife | Having done a load file, I also get no voice, on menus or browser. |
| 14:27:46 | pondlife | Reboot didn't help either. |
| 14:27:48 | pixelma | ah... my voice file was just a tiny tiny bit to large (had used another lang - with a different voice file right before than what was in the config.cfg file) |
| 14:30:19 | pondlife | OK, had to reload English.lng in the browser to bring voice back,. |
| 14:30:49 | pondlife | So something went wrong there. Maybe I was relying on a fallback to that in my CFG file? I'll have a look. |
| 14:31:07 | pixelma | hmm... maybe that was actually the same case here |
| 14:32:26 | pondlife | I can repro if I reload the CFG file that was saved from the unpatched build. |
| 14:33:18 | JdGordon | i might have forgot to mention it reads config.cfg... |
| 14:33:49 | pondlife | OK, that explains it |
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| 14:34:18 | JdGordon | if it doesnt exist it loads the defaults |
| 14:35:09 | pondlife | Hmm, my problem started when I browsed my CONFIG11.CFG, containing the line: lang: /.rockbox/langs/english.lng |
| 14:36:12 | pondlife | I can repro that by reloading the old CFG file. |
| 14:36:28 | pondlife | Kills voice until I load a new config, or manually set language again. |
| 14:36:58 | JdGordon | thats odd... that is the correct path for langs... |
| 14:37:01 | pondlife | New config contains lang: /.rockbox/langs/english.lang |
| 14:37:07 | pondlife | i.e. .lang vs .lng |
| 14:37:29 | JdGordon | what about with a different lang? |
| 14:37:39 | JdGordon | I may have added an a where it shouldnt be |
| 14:37:44 | * | JdGordon checks |
| 14:37:59 | pondlife | I don't have any other langs installed here, sorry. |
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| 14:38:34 | JdGordon | yep.. my bad |
| 14:38:55 | JdGordon | line 591 of settings_list.c should say ".lng" |
| 14:38:58 | pixelma | hehe... and this even though you asked... |
| 14:39:06 | pixelma | :P |
| 14:39:39 | JdGordon | yeah, i dunno... |
| 14:39:57 | JdGordon | I proabbly put the a in subconsiously :'( |
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| 14:41:07 | pondlife | Cool. Lunchtime now! |
| 14:42:17 | JdGordon | and I found the fmr problem also |
| 14:42:32 | Stalwart | oh, mpegplayer? |
| 14:42:38 | pixelma | ehm... the fmr-file seems to be similar... the path it stores is missing the "fmpresets" folder... - so instead of |
| 14:43:22 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 14:43:26 | pixelma | ok |
| 14:43:35 | JdGordon | I blame that on the path define not being in setting.h with the others |
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| 14:44:09 | JdGordon | noticed anything else? |
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| 14:45:46 | pixelma | so far no - but I tested only what happens on load not while playing |
| 14:46:42 | JdGordon | oh, pixelma, what is the ata thread stack usage please? |
| 14:47:26 | JdGordon | I had to triple it on the had disk targets, and i doubled it on ata_mmc, but dont know if thats enough |
| 14:48:06 | pixelma | errmm... don't know where to look it up or if it even exists |
| 14:48:55 | JdGordon | in debug menu under os stacks? |
| 14:49:03 | JdGordon | or does the ondio not have that? |
| 14:49:35 | JdGordon | you should have that option.... |
| 14:50:35 | JdGordon | sorry, the thread name is mmc not ata |
| 14:50:44 | * | JdGordon hopes he is thinking about the right target here :p |
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| 14:51:08 | pixelma | yes... it has the os stacks... mmc says: 45% |
| 14:52:01 | JdGordon | ok ta |
| 14:52:13 | JdGordon | sounds good |
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| 14:53:29 | JdGordon | righto, new version which fixes the fmr and lng is on the tracker... im going to bed |
| 14:54:00 | pixelma | nice :) G'night. |
| 14:54:16 | JdGordon | lemme know if you find anything else wrong... hopefully you wont :D |
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| 15:07:13 | hab | Any linux user ? I'd like to know the name of the bin created when you delete files and dir. |
| 15:07:30 | Bagderr | there is none |
| 15:07:31 | hab | for example, on Ubuntu it's ".Trash-'loginname'" |
| 15:07:50 | Bagderr | plain rm does no such thing |
| 15:07:56 | hab | Bagderr> uh ? |
| 15:08:02 | hab | lol |
| 15:08:07 | DataGhost | sometimes I wish it did, but Bagderr is right hab |
| 15:08:11 | Bagderr | you want me to repeat it? |
| 15:08:24 | DataGhost | ubuntu has something else handling that |
| 15:08:35 | hab | no, can read :) |
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| 15:09:08 | Bagderr | and welcome to #rockbox btw, we speak rockbox here :-) |
| 15:09:19 | hab | But i know that in real world almost users just send files to bin. |
| 15:09:33 | Bagderr | not in my world |
| 15:09:40 | Mikachu | what's an almost user? |
| 15:10:03 | Bagderr | in my world, people need to get the backup when they've let their cron jobs delete many files... |
| 15:10:13 | DataGhost | someone who is not quite ready to use the console and 'plain rm' Mikachu :) |
| 15:10:25 | preglow | Bagderr: and a might fine cronjob it was too, sir |
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| 15:10:33 | Mikachu | heh |
| 15:10:33 | Bagderr | haha |
| 15:10:37 | preglow | mighty, yes |
| 15:10:42 | preglow | finest piece of shell code i ever saw |
| 15:10:49 | Bagderr | it did cleanup a whole lot |
| 15:11:19 | preglow | about time someone did that |
| 15:11:54 | hab | the question was about changing tidy to clean trash files for linux users "who don't always use rm our rm -rf to delete files" :) |
| 15:12:30 | hab | our/or |
| 15:12:51 | Bagderr | the demand for that seems... non-existant |
| 15:12:52 | linuxstb | You mean the disktidy plugin? |
| 15:13:17 | hab | linuxstb>yes |
| 15:13:30 | linuxstb | I just wish I could tell OSX to leave my players alone... |
| 15:13:36 | hab | Bagderr>ok, so i'll modify it just for my own |
| 15:13:55 | Mikachu | hab: can you change your address char to :, it looks like you're quoting people |
| 15:14:09 | preglow | can someone tell me what the hell is up with these people who write articles about a piece of code, then don't publish the actual code??? |
| 15:14:39 | preglow | i can find tons of articles about lock-free datastructures, but very little actual code |
| 15:14:48 | hab | Mikachu:sry |
| 15:14:52 | DataGhost | hehe |
| 15:15:09 | hab | preglow:did nothing, just think about it |
| 15:19:49 | * | preglow thinks about it |
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| 15:28:24 | * | amiconn , while preferring the gui over commandline, usually deletes files instead of sending it to the bin |
| 15:28:40 | amiconn | I usually disable all recycle bin functionality |
| 15:28:44 | * | GodEater does too. Shift-delete in windows almost without fail. |
| 15:29:09 | GodEater | When I delete something - I want it deleted - not just moved somewhere else. |
| 15:29:55 | amiconn | exactly |
| 15:30:18 | amiconn | In that respect, gnome is worse than the windows ui |
| 15:30:38 | GodEater | at least gnome has a "skip trash" option |
| 15:30:44 | amiconn | In windows explorer, shift-delete works out of the box, in nautilus it needs to be explicitly enabled |
| 15:30:46 | XavierGr | I have to agree that I never use plain delete in windows |
| 15:31:08 | XavierGr | when I delete I make sure to press shift before delete |
| 15:31:11 | GodEater | ah but you can make it a permanent feature in gnome |
| 15:31:42 | amiconn | So you can in windows |
| 15:32:05 | GodEater | do tell |
| 15:32:11 | XavierGr | though It is true that I managed to delete by mistake (the habbit of pressing shift) some sensitive files that I had to recover with software |
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| 15:33:37 | GodEater | how do you tell windows never to use the recycle-bin other than always doing a shift-delete instead of a delete on it's own ? |
| 15:33:53 | amiconn | GodEater: Recycler->Properties: Delete files immediately |
| 15:34:05 | amiconn | (not sure about the exact words - german windows here) |
| 15:34:07 | XavierGr | yup amiconn is right |
| 15:34:28 | GodEater | wow - never saw that before |
| 15:34:29 | amiconn | (on the global tab) |
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| 15:34:49 | GodEater | I've never actually clicked on the recycle-bin before - so never noticed it had properties to adjust :) |
| 15:36:04 | Nico_P | GodEater: were you the one saying you were bidding on an F40 yesterday ? |
| 15:36:28 | GodEater | yeah - I won it too :) |
| 15:36:33 | Nico_P | ah |
| 15:36:33 | GodEater | $96 |
| 15:36:41 | Nico_P | wow !! |
| 15:36:46 | GodEater | where $ = USD |
| 15:37:05 | Nico_P | how come you got it that cheap ? |
| 15:37:14 | GodEater | erm - no-one else bid on it ? |
| 15:37:25 | Febs | Heh, I think I almost bid on that. |
| 15:37:29 | Nico_P | you lucky guy |
| 15:37:33 | * | GodEater thinks that's how auctions owrk |
| 15:37:49 | GodEater | I still have to pay $50 P&P - but that's still only 75 GBP |
| 15:38:02 | Nico_P | i asked because i'm bidding on one that's in the UK right now so i thought it could have been the same one as you |
| 15:38:02 | GodEater | total |
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| 15:38:44 | GodEater | I only saw two in the UK for sale |
| 15:38:49 | GodEater | one for £125 |
| 15:38:54 | GodEater | which was too expensive IMO |
| 15:39:15 | Nico_P | well the one i'm bidding on is currently £89,50 |
| 15:39:16 | GodEater | and one for £75, which hasn't met it's reserve - and I couldn't be bothered to keep bidding it find out where the reserve was |
| 15:39:30 | GodEater | that's probably the latter of the two I saw then :) |
| 15:39:53 | * | linuxstb is always amused by Toshiba's Gigabeat slogan - "Music sounds better in colour" |
| 15:39:54 | Nico_P | yeah... i think the reserve was about £85 |
| 15:39:55 | GodEater | it took me a long time to find one on ebay.com which would ship to the UK |
| 15:40:07 | GodEater | which is very frustrating - there are LOADS on there |
| 15:40:17 | GodEater | but very few people who are willing to ship outside the USA |
| 15:40:24 | GodEater | :( |
| 15:40:29 | Nico_P | eby.fr pointed me directly to the one i'm bidding on :) |
| 15:41:33 | Nico_P | i have £20 for shipping to france though |
| 15:41:41 | GodEater | ouch |
| 15:41:47 | Nico_P | yeah |
| 15:41:58 | GodEater | it's only £25 for me from the US |
| 15:42:08 | GodEater | and it's from the west coast too - so that's a LONG way |
| 15:42:18 | Nico_P | but the only one i could find in france is currently at 170€ + 10€ shipping :s |
| 15:42:29 | GodEater | too expensive |
| 15:42:41 | Nico_P | with no bids ! |
| 15:42:59 | GodEater | I doubt it'll get any either with that starting price! |
| 15:43:08 | markun | GodEater: I bought mine from someone in the UK |
| 15:43:35 | GodEater | cheap ? |
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| 15:47:32 | markun | I don't remember, but it's more than a year ago |
| 15:47:37 | GodEater | ah |
| 15:49:39 | markun | linuxstb: do you know if there is a "catch the digital flow" like theme song for the gigabeat? |
| 15:50:37 | Nico_P | ok i just won the F40 for £98 + £20 in shipping costs :) |
| 15:50:52 | GodEater | not bad |
| 15:51:04 | Nico_P | someone pushed the price up from £89.50 to £98 in the last minute |
| 15:51:14 | GodEater | hate it when they do that |
| 15:51:19 | Nico_P | but i had decided to go up to £100 |
| 15:51:42 | markun | Nico_P: yes, a nice feature of ebay, just enter your highest price |
| 15:51:51 | GodEater | heh - you're still paying £43 more than I am :) |
| 15:51:59 | Nico_P | markun: very practical indeed |
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| 15:52:27 | markun | GodEater: noone will beat toffe I think. He now probably has 6 working gigabeat for about $250 |
| 15:52:31 | Nico_P | GodEater: yeah well not much choice seeing the lack of variety in the offer |
| 15:52:42 | * | GodEater is now sure he'll get stiffed by his seller on ebay for being cocky about the price. |
| 15:52:44 | linuxstb | markun: No idea. |
| 15:52:45 | Nico_P | markun: how did he do that ? |
| 15:53:07 | markun | Nico_P: buying broken players and combining the working parts :) |
| 15:53:10 | GodEater | I can't imagine why I'd want 6 gigabeat either :) |
| 15:53:33 | Nico_P | markun: how many working players does he have then ? |
| 15:53:48 | markun | GodEater: he started buying broken ones to unsolder the chips and trace the connections |
| 15:54:11 | GodEater | ah - *that* makes sense |
| 15:54:31 | markun | but most of the broken ones only had minor problems |
| 15:54:52 | preglow | markun: gotta congratulate you on how well the port you've started turned out :) |
| 15:55:14 | markun | preglow: I'm pretty amazed myself! |
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| 15:59:19 | linuxstb | markun: What made you choose the gigabeat? |
| 15:59:48 | * | GodEater is betting on the "blindfold and pointy stick" approach. |
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| 16:00:26 | markun | linuxstb: I don't remember exactly. I had seen it online a long time ago and remembered it when there was some talk going on here about porting rockbox to other targets |
| 16:01:04 | linuxstb | Did you know the major chips were documented before you bought it? |
| 16:01:19 | linuxstb | i.e. was that part luck or skill? |
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| 16:01:35 | markun | linuxstb: I found the mygigabeat forum and asked them to take pictures of the insides. I liked what I saw because we could find documentation for almost every component |
| 16:01:51 | markun | yes, I bought it after that |
| 16:02:03 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 16:06:11 | Nico_P | markun: have you tried the WMA codec on it ? |
| 16:06:23 | Nico_P | someone was suggesting it might run realtime |
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| 16:08:15 | markun | Nico_P: no, I haven't |
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| 16:08:44 | GodEater | *sigh* yet another post in the apple install forum from someone who couldn't be bothered to read the other posts in it. |
| 16:08:50 | markun | maybe it's a good idea to get it into cvs, will be easier to keep in sync and work on |
| 16:08:51 | Nico_P | what do you think of the idea ? :) |
| 16:08:54 | markun | svn.. |
| 16:09:14 | Nico_P | i couldn't even get it to cmpile :( |
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| 16:09:27 | Nico_P | anyway... got to go to class |
| 16:09:31 | Nico_P | cu |
| 16:09:39 | hab | salut |
| 16:09:51 | * | GodEater refers Nico_P to Linus's GoldenQuote on WMA |
| 16:10:37 | markun | GodEater: which one? |
| 16:10:46 | GodEater | the one about people with a clue |
| 16:11:20 | GodEater | it still makes me laugh |
| 16:11:22 | markun | ah, the WMA one :) |
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| 16:13:38 | Genre9mp3 | ^I did that :) |
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| 16:16:37 | GodEater | a |
| 16:16:51 | GodEater | oops - wrong window |
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| 16:17:25 | LinusN | i agree about the wma codec, we should probably commit it until it rots away |
| 16:17:38 | LinusN | s/until/before/ |
| 16:19:08 | linuxstb | I could be remembering incorrectly (I haven't looked at it since it was first posted), but I didn't think there was much worth committing... |
| 16:20:19 | * | XavierGr is pwned by Genre9mp3 |
| 16:20:26 | linuxstb | Also, it's just a plugin, so not much chance of it rotting. |
| 16:20:42 | LinusN | maybe so |
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| 16:21:55 | preglow | hmm |
| 16:22:07 | preglow | i still kind of think we should commit it |
| 16:22:10 | Genre9mp3 | sorry... just playing a bit there! :) |
| 16:22:18 | preglow | if only to raise awareness of its existance |
| 16:22:21 | XavierGr | Remote Desktop is super |
| 16:22:27 | preglow | it's bound to be finished one day |
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| 16:24:19 | perl|work | or people might stop using wma altogether :P |
| 16:24:34 | preglow | "yes" |
| 16:24:57 | preglow | i've got one wma file i actually like, so i'd love to see it finished! |
| 16:25:18 | linuxstb | The patch also introduces a much more complex codec malloc which would need testing. |
| 16:25:29 | linuxstb | (with a working free) |
| 16:25:56 | LinusN | yuck! :-) |
| 16:26:05 | preglow | can't we just commit the haxx malloc instead? |
| 16:26:07 | preglow | its known to work |
| 16:26:17 | preglow | or so they say... |
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| 16:26:29 | preglow | it might start deleting your dap contents any moment, i expect |
| 16:26:32 | preglow | ;) |
| 16:27:00 | LinusN | actually, i believe the haxx malloc in svn might have a bug or two |
| 16:27:08 | preglow | there you go |
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| 16:27:32 | LinusN | i used it in a project a while ago, and discovered a few bugs |
| 16:28:09 | LinusN | better check that |
| 16:29:24 | Bagderr | some of your bug fixes went back |
| 16:29:42 | Bagderr | I'm not sure if you found more though |
| 16:30:29 | LinusN | i believe all fixes were merged with your version of it, Bagderr |
| 16:30:45 | Bagderr | goodie |
| 16:31:11 | LinusN | and it runs smoothly here |
| 16:33:31 | barrywardell | LinusN: did you see FS #6554? I'm looking for a tester who isn't worried about bricking their H300/H100 ;) |
| 16:33:47 | Mikachu | so far i think i have 2592MiB transferred elephants dream, but my scripting might be off :) |
| 16:34:00 | LinusN | barrywardell: saw it, i'll see if i can test it tonight |
| 16:34:10 | barrywardell | great, thanks |
| 16:35:24 | bluebrother | hmm. Why not using bittorrent for video distribution? |
| 16:35:41 | Mikachu | who would seed it? |
| 16:35:59 | linuxstb | Most people will only want one or two of the 10 videos as well. |
| 16:36:15 | preglow | Mikachu: can't the server itself do the initial seed? |
| 16:36:31 | Mikachu | yeah, but it's likely nobody will join it |
| 16:36:32 | bluebrother | you don't need to bundle all files ... |
| 16:36:39 | LinusN | preglow: sure, but i don't think many more would seed it |
| 16:36:49 | preglow | Mikachu: likely, but the worst case scenario is that you get as much traffic as you did anyway |
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| 16:36:54 | preglow | LinusN: i bet some would |
| 16:37:21 | preglow | but sure, if traffic isn't a problem anyway |
| 16:37:23 | * | bluebrother would seed with his home box running on working hours but that just broke :( |
| 16:37:27 | LinusN | gtg |
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| 16:37:30 | Mikachu | it isn't :) |
| 16:38:06 | Mikachu | ooh, my isp even gives explicit permission to run servers |
| 16:38:49 | DataGhost | heh |
| 16:38:51 | DataGhost | mine too |
| 16:38:54 | linuxstb | barrywardell: There's one problem with your bootloader patch. By loading the rockbox.ipod file directly to DRAM_START, you are overwriting the Apple firmware which has already been loaded there. So if (for example) the checksum in rockbox.ipod fails, the original firmware can't be started. |
| 16:38:57 | DataGhost | I've had a static IP for the last 6 years, too |
| 16:39:06 | DataGhost | I even received a letter to setup that IP in my modem :P |
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| 16:39:47 | barrywardell | linuxstb: yes, i realised that. i can easily revert the change if you think it would be better to do so... |
| 16:40:10 | barrywardell | it makes sense to just load straight to dram on other pp targets |
| 16:40:19 | linuxstb | Did you change the bootloader so it doesn't try to start the apple firmware when loading rockbox.ipod failed? |
| 16:40:56 | linuxstb | I mean when it failed in such a way as the apple firmware was corrupted? |
| 16:40:57 | barrywardell | no. so there is a potential bug |
| 16:41:09 | barrywardell | i'll have to fix that |
| 16:41:12 | bluebrother | Bagderr: in case you want to look over it, I changed the version number thingy to scroll on recorder. http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/34 |
| 16:41:23 | DataGhost | linuxstb can't you just read the apple firmware off the disk again? :) |
| 16:41:31 | barrywardell | would it be better to just restore the old load firmware->copy to DRAM_START? |
| 16:42:02 | linuxstb | I like the change - I think it's better to optimise for the normal case, rather than making it behave better when there's an error. |
| 16:42:27 | barrywardell | ok, so maybe i'll try change the failsafe case to read from disk again... |
| 16:42:33 | linuxstb | Not loading the original firmware if there's a Rockbox error would be fine with me. |
| 16:42:57 | barrywardell | ok, i'll just remove the failsafe code then |
| 16:43:00 | linuxstb | Just call the fatal_error() function which gives instructions to enter disk mode manually. |
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| 16:43:47 | barrywardell | ok |
| 16:45:30 | * | linuxstb is reminded those instructions need to be adapted for the 3G... |
| 16:49:25 | barrywardell | linuxstb: hold on boots retailos? |
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| 16:50:00 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 16:50:18 | linuxstb | Or holding MENU. |
| 16:50:39 | hcs | or gesturing obscenely |
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| 16:52:46 | * | GodEater wonders how it's possible to gesture obscenely with a click wheel |
| 16:52:52 | GodEater | do you have to lick it or something ? |
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| 16:54:27 | DataGhost | nah, you 'touch' that one, right? |
| 16:55:13 | DataGhost | yes! FINALLY! |
| 16:55:23 | DataGhost | after 5 &$@#^*&^@# weeks of waiting all items are in stock |
| 16:55:39 | DataGhost | i'll get my 1160 GB of harddrives tomorrow \o/ |
| 16:55:42 | * | GodEater detects slight excitement |
| 16:55:45 | DataGhost | hehe |
| 16:55:56 | hcs | fascinating... |
| 16:56:02 | DataGhost | well I'll finally have that extra 160GB for my laptop so I can make a full backup of my iPod on it, before I convert it into a macpod |
| 16:56:12 | DataGhost | that'll be somewhat faster than using iTunes to restore the music |
| 16:57:23 | * | DataGhost sees some 3G iPod spontaneously boot into retailos |
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| 17:00:14 | GodEater | can someone point me to where in the manual we say how to use the bootloader's dual boot feature ? |
| 17:00:32 | GodEater | we mention is *has* that feature in the manual - but for the life of me I can't see where we say how to use it |
| 17:00:41 | amiconn | [15:39:57] * linuxstb is always amused by Toshiba's Gigabeat slogan - "Music sounds better in colour" <== Haha, immediately reminds me of "Color sound" (iAudio X5) |
| 17:01:20 | DataGhost | GodEater just scroll through the menu.... :P |
| 17:01:22 | * | DataGhost runs |
| 17:01:23 | perl|work | amiconn but they were smart enough not to put it on the player itself |
| 17:01:31 | GodEater | DG - heh :) |
| 17:02:31 | pixelma | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodmini2g/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-90002.2.1 "The Rockbox boot loader" |
| 17:03:14 | linuxstb | GodEater: I can't find it... It's in the IpodFAQ though... |
| 17:03:22 | pixelma | to be found in the Ipod Video manual too |
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| 17:04:14 | GodEater | pixelma: I only see that it says "It is responsible for loading the Rockbox firmware and for providing the dual boot function." |
| 17:04:15 | * | pixelma reads again and sees that the question was "how"... :/ |
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| 17:05:18 | GodEater | I'm fairly sure it's something we should put in the manual |
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| 17:08:44 | Febs | The "how to dual boot" instructions are the manual's equivalent of viewports. |
| 17:09:07 | Febs | Everyone agrees that it should be done, but no-one has actually done it. |
| 17:09:18 | amiconn | Mikachu, preglow, (LinusN): If we really want to go for bittorrent, why not let the build servers seed (at least those which have a flat connection) |
| 17:09:20 | amiconn | ? |
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| 17:10:12 | Febs | (the difference being that the "how to dual boot" instructions are pretty simple, so we don't have much of an excuse.) |
| 17:10:53 | linuxstb | Apart from the complication of two different bootloaders being out there... |
| 17:10:59 | GodEater | I only mention it since I told someone in the forums I thought it was in the manual - and it blatantly isn't |
| 17:11:18 | linuxstb | GodEater: Quick, write a patch... |
| 17:11:27 | * | GodEater refuses to learn TeX |
| 17:11:39 | linuxstb | Just write it in text then... |
| 17:11:49 | GodEater | and diff it against what ? |
| 17:11:58 | linuxstb | Don't diff, just provide a new section. |
| 17:12:40 | linuxstb | And English instructions saying where it should go. |
| 17:12:40 | GodEater | I think it should be in the "Turning the player on and off section" |
| 17:12:45 | GodEater | I don't think it needs a new one. |
| 17:15:36 | GodEater | I also have no clue what to write for targets other than iPod - does that matter ? |
| 17:17:30 | GodEater | oh well - added it anyway. |
| 17:17:53 | Febs | Are there any targets that cannot dual boot? |
| 17:17:57 | barrywardell | linuxstb: updated the patch. my comment has brief "how to dual boot" instructions too ;) |
| 17:18:02 | markun | Febs: the gigabeat can't |
| 17:18:15 | barrywardell | markun: yet :) |
| 17:19:00 | markun | barrywardell: great, you are working on it?! :) |
| 17:19:32 | barrywardell | no, unfortunately I don't have a Gigabeat to work on |
| 17:19:58 | barrywardell | could it not just be done the same as the other arm targets? |
| 17:20:31 | Soul-Slayer | Barry, may I ask how much battery life you get out of a 20gb H10 on Rockbox? I understand it is greater than the 5/6gb? |
| 17:20:50 | markun | barrywardell: maybe, how's it done there? |
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| 17:21:56 | barrywardell | markun: load the firmware image to the start of RAM, then jump execution there. that's how dual boot works on most (all?) rockbox targets |
| 17:22:20 | barrywardell | markun: taking care to jump both processors |
| 17:22:39 | barrywardell | Soul-Slayer: Last time I checked, it was about 9-10 hours |
| 17:22:45 | markun | well, the gigabeat works very different |
| 17:23:28 | barrywardell | different how? |
| 17:23:44 | markun | barrywardell: there is a bootloader in flash which loads: linux kernel, rootfs and initrd, decrypts them and executes the linux kernel |
| 17:23:55 | markun | we replaced the kernel with our rockbox loader |
| 17:24:37 | markun | we only have 1 core btw |
| 17:24:40 | Soul-Slayer | Very interesting... Does the 20gb model come with a greater amount of m/a with it's proprietary battery than the 5/6gb, or is it due to optimization issues for now? |
| 17:26:03 | barrywardell | markun: so can the rockbox loader not just load the linux kernel back again and pass execution to it when you want to load the of? |
| 17:26:13 | linuxstb | markun: So the original bootloader is still loading the rootfs and initrd? |
| 17:26:59 | barrywardell | Soul-Slayer: there is little optimisation difference between the models. the difference is the 20GB's 1550mAh battery vs the 5/6GB's 820mAh one |
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| 17:27:25 | markun | linuxstb: yes, it is |
| 17:27:36 | Soul-Slayer | Aha I understand - Thank you. |
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| 17:28:07 | markun | In the end we would like to have a bootloader in flash, that would enable some nice things like waking up from sleep (without rebooting) |
| 17:28:27 | markun | barrywardell: yes, might be possible, we must be careful that the rest didn't get overwritten |
| 17:28:52 | markun | and set the registers right |
| 17:29:28 | goffa | yeah.. that would be very nice |
| 17:29:30 | barrywardell | and make sure the bootloader is running from iram |
| 17:29:40 | goffa | and having it not say recharge battery when waking from sleep |
| 17:30:01 | markun | goffa: yes, no idea where that comes from |
| 17:30:08 | goffa | not a big issue.. but would make things nicer |
| 17:30:21 | markun | maybe we have to turn off the ADC or something before we go to sleep |
| 17:30:22 | Febs | barrywardell: how does one boot the h10 into the iriver firmware? |
| 17:30:45 | Soul-Slayer | Febs: Have you configured it for dual booting? |
| 17:30:48 | linuxstb | Febs: I think there's a H10InstallationBeta wiki page. |
| 17:30:51 | barrywardell | Febs: hold down the left/prev (I can't remember what we called it) button |
| 17:31:00 | markun | barrywardell: we have only 4KB of IRAM btw |
| 17:31:07 | Febs | Soul-Slayer: I don't own one, I'm looking to update the manual. |
| 17:31:12 | Soul-Slayer | Aha, okay |
| 17:31:15 | Soul-Slayer | Sorry |
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| 17:31:51 | * | goffa wishes putty had a minimize to tray |
| 17:32:00 | Soul-Slayer | Clarification on what barry said, the button has been called 'Left' |
| 17:32:04 | barrywardell | markun: ouch. that's not an option then. but you could just move copy the bootloader code to anywhere in ram where it won't be overwritten while it's running |
| 17:32:16 | Soul-Slayer | Hold that down whilst booting |
| 17:32:16 | markun | goffa: install "tray-it" |
| 17:32:16 | goffa | tabs would be nice too |
| 17:32:26 | goffa | i'll try that markun |
| 17:32:49 | markun | barrywardell: also, I really don't care for the original firmware :) |
| 17:33:12 | barrywardell | markun: haha. in that case it might not be worth all the effort |
| 17:33:33 | linuxstb | markun: What about "normal" users? Have they been asking for dual-boot, or is the Toshiba firmware so bad that no-one likes it? |
| 17:33:35 | markun | well, some people might want to use it to listen to their WMA with DRM |
| 17:33:36 | goffa | yeah... completely removing would be just fine |
| 17:33:54 | goffa | only reason i'd want it back is for rma purposes |
| 17:33:56 | markun | linuxstb: so far people either loved rockbox or hated it I think |
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| 17:36:00 | toffe | :) my collection of gigabeat increase, just got one complete with dock for 38$ |
| 17:36:16 | toffe | and a system error so it must be easy to fix |
| 17:36:24 | markun | toffe: so, how many working for how much money so far? |
| 17:36:51 | markun | system error.. that's a tough one :) |
| 17:37:03 | goffa | this looks interesting markun http://www.xs4all.nl/~whaa/putty/ |
| 17:37:20 | goffa | no tabs.. but blinks when activity happens |
| 17:37:36 | toffe | I think 3 fully working, one working but no headphone jack for 250$ (and 2 or 3 broken) |
| 17:37:51 | toffe | plus this one |
| 17:38:04 | markun | toffe: I though many more were working |
| 17:38:05 | toffe | and a S30 not working |
| 17:38:33 | markun | toffe: any broken ones which just need a new hdd? |
| 17:38:39 | toffe | I am lost in my count somtimes ;) |
| 17:38:51 | toffe | markun : no |
| 17:39:02 | goffa | well.. time to test it out |
| 17:39:13 | perl|work | dual boot on gigabeats is not a big deal really |
| 17:39:37 | toffe | I have one which is not working , one of the fuse was dead, I replace it but still not working, but didn't really check everything |
| 17:39:54 | markun | it was only a big deal when rockbox didn't have sound yet and people just used it to play some games |
| 17:39:55 | Febs | How does one boot the original on an X5? (I don't see a FAQ page for the X5.) |
| 17:40:03 | linuxstb | Febs: You don't. |
| 17:40:26 | Febs | OK. |
| 17:40:27 | linuxstb | There's a patch for a dual-boot bootloader, but it's not official. |
| 17:40:54 | n1s | linuxstb, barrywardell: An idea for when you make new bootloaders available next time might be to include a version number similar to the one in the iriver h100/h300 to make it easier for users to find out which version they have |
| 17:41:22 | linuxstb | n1s: Yes, we should. |
| 17:41:38 | linuxstb | I guess we should call them version 3. |
| 17:41:57 | barrywardell | n1s: yes, good point |
| 17:42:04 | markun | linuxstb: upgrading rockbox sometimes requires a bootloader update, so some versioning would be nice for that as well |
| 17:42:13 | markun | (for the Gigabeat) |
| 17:42:44 | linuxstb | You mean so the bootloader can reject newer rockbox versions? |
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| 17:43:06 | toffe | One question : are all the fonts usefull ? on the gigabeat some are only 3 or 4 pixel high ? are they used on antother target ? |
| 17:43:09 | linuxstb | Or simply to tell users which version they need? |
| 17:43:19 | barrywardell | n1s, linuxstb: it does already show bootloader version as APPSVERSION |
| 17:43:46 | linuxstb | toffe: Some targets have very small mono LCDs, and some have remotes with mono LCDs. |
| 17:44:03 | toffe | ok |
| 17:44:06 | linuxstb | toffe: But I don't think anyone would argue against a font cleanup. |
| 17:44:16 | barrywardell | although maybe a more user friendly version number would be better... |
| 17:44:35 | toffe | I was trying one yesterday and have to look with a magnifier ;) |
| 17:45:00 | * | linuxstb wonders why he described the LCDs as mono - that makes no difference to the font size.... |
| 17:45:14 | n1s | toffe: also some of the older targets' displays have larger pixels |
| 17:45:18 | Mikachu | too much blood in the coffee flow? |
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| 17:45:55 | toffe | Perhaps the name of the font should include the size , not all have it |
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| 17:50:23 | toffe | also, I was changing the font (for a bigger one with the wps STA) and the gigabeat locks up after 4s playing a song have to switch of the battery . I try several times, changing the font back was ok |
| 17:50:27 | markun | toffe: with svn it's a lot nicer to rename things than before |
| 17:51:12 | toffe | I don't remeber what font it was |
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| 18:07:45 | rp- | is this the right definition of arm thumb code? http://winarm.scienceprog.com/arm-mcu-types/compressed-thumb-instructions-of-arm-mcu.html |
| 18:08:35 | preglow | looks like it |
| 18:09:00 | markun | rp-: arm.com is also a good place to look for documentation |
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| 18:11:57 | goffa | putty tray is pretty nice |
| 18:12:05 | rp- | thanks |
| 18:12:07 | goffa | i like the icon upgrade for some reason |
| 18:13:50 | markun | goffa: I'll stick with normal putty for now |
| 18:16:00 | XavierGr | LOL this is fricking hilarious!! |
| 18:16:31 | XavierGr | I can logon in my windows machine remotely from my vmware image (in the same pc) with rdesktop |
| 18:16:38 | amiconn | toffe: The smallest fonts are 5 pixels high |
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| 18:17:17 | XavierGr | just apt-get install rdesktop and set your windows machine for remote desktop support |
| 18:18:15 | amiconn | Any ipod G3 owners around? |
| 18:19:07 | amiconn | markun: Do you think I should rename ata-as-pp.S to ata-as-arm.S before committing? |
| 18:19:33 | amiconn | Did you perhaps even try to use it on the gigabeat? |
| 18:19:42 | preglow | we have svn now, you can rename afterwards! :P |
| 18:19:43 | amiconn | (with the correct port address of course) |
| 18:19:52 | amiconn | preglow: I know... |
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| 18:22:33 | amiconn | Bagder: manual commit are still triggering a build... |
| 18:22:40 | amiconn | *commits |
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| 18:36:36 | markun | amiconn: no, I didn't. What should I set the ata_port to? |
| 18:37:23 | Bagder | amiconn: yes, I've made no efforts yet to change that |
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| 18:37:51 | amiconn | markun: Hmm, firmware/target/arm/gigabeat/meg-fx/ata-target.h tells me it should be 0x18000000 |
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| 18:38:35 | amiconn | I'll probably switch from an #ifdef in the asm source to #define ATA_DATA_ADDR in ata-target.h |
| 18:38:56 | markun | yes, that would be better |
| 18:38:57 | amiconn | Easier to handle when other arm targets want to use this code |
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| 18:39:10 | dan_a | amiconn: Did you have something you wanted testing on the G3 iPod? |
| 18:39:28 | markun | amiconn: I'll try it later tonight ok? |
| 18:40:09 | amiconn | dan_a: Yes. Would be nice if you could test http://www.jens-arnold.net/Rockbox/ata-pp.diff - asm optimised ata reading & writing |
| 18:40:43 | amiconn | Here's a test plugin that can test both speed & correctness: http://www.jens-arnold.net/Rockbox/test_disk.c |
| 18:40:48 | dan_a | amiconn: I'll get some results for you as soon as possible. |
| 18:41:26 | amiconn | Please test speed with and without patch if possible |
| 18:42:07 | amiconn | While I don't think this will happen, I don't want to slow down stuff instead of speeding it up... |
| 18:42:09 | markun | amiconn: in the linux source they define a ATA_IRQ. Is that used for UDMA transfers (and would that make sense for rockbox?) |
| 18:43:47 | amiconn | Umm, I don't know |
| 18:44:00 | amiconn | The fact that it's defined doesn't necessarily mean it's used... |
| 18:44:12 | dan_a | amiconn: If I compile with boosting disabled, will that make a fairer test? |
| 18:44:38 | markun | amiconn: it's passed to the ide_register_hw function |
| 18:44:47 | amiconn | You can test boosted, unboosted, or both. The plugin doesn't touch boosting |
| 18:45:08 | amiconn | On mini2g, I get saturation on writing if boosted |
| 18:45:36 | amiconn | (disk limits transfer speed to ~4.5MB/s) |
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| 18:45:50 | amiconn | Microdrives aren't faster... :/ |
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| 18:50:04 | dan_a | Is there any reason compiling for the G3 would be slower than compiling for other targets? I've not timed it yet, but it feels slower on my machine |
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| 19:01:07 | dan_a | amiconn: Unpatched / Unboosted results: http://www.pastebin.ca/324810 - I'll get the results with your patch when the stress test finishes (I guess I shouldn't have started that...) |
| 19:01:57 | amiconn | Stress test should take ~5 minutes |
| 19:02:47 | amiconn | Writes 300MB of pseudo-random data in random-sized chunks with random alignment, then reads back in (different) random chunks and compares the pseudo-random sequence |
| 19:03:30 | amiconn | It uses 2 PRNGs, so the chunk generation doesn't interfere with the data stream generation |
| 19:04:01 | amiconn | (standard rockbox rand() for the chunks and the simple linear congruency generator from the greyscale lib for data) |
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| 19:06:41 | amiconn | markun: Hmm, I can't #include ata-target.h in ata-as-arm.S. Gas (legitimately) complains about bad instructions |
| 19:06:48 | amiconn | (the function declarations) |
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| 19:08:35 | rouf | Hi. I first heard of rockbox today, when I was searching for a way to add features to my Xclef 500 |
| 19:08:54 | n1s | not supported |
| 19:08:55 | rouf | I've read much of the wiki, and have a question about development |
| 19:09:18 | dewdude | they don't know when device x will be supported |
| 19:09:20 | rouf | My main question is can Rockbox support Xclef, if I were to do the work? |
| 19:09:30 | dewdude | rouf: possible. |
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| 19:09:35 | rouf | Is there any fundamental reason it wouldn't work? |
| 19:09:40 | dewdude | you'd have to know the inner workings of the hardware |
| 19:10:03 | rouf | I'm a firmware and hardware engineer, so I could probably figure it out |
| 19:10:08 | Redbreva | Uh! Sorry, SMF was unable to connect to the database. This may be caused by the server being busy. Please try again later. |
| 19:10:43 | Redbreva | Anyone else having diffs with http://forums.rockbox.org/ |
| 19:10:51 | dewdude | ahh...well..i'm no offical word..i'm just a normal user who hangs around here...but i'm sure if you know your stuff and would want to take on a massive project such as that, i'm sure they'd have no objections |
| 19:10:55 | n1s | rouf: Here's a wiki page that lays out the basics for porting to a new device http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxFAQ?topic=NewPort |
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| 19:11:12 | rouf | I see that some of the groundwork was done by a guy in CZ, and there was a port for Gmini120, but both have seemed to dry up |
| 19:11:38 | dewdude | it happens commonly...developing for these devices are difficult |
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| 19:12:03 | rouf | Thanks, n1s - What kind of effort (man hours) can you expect to spend on porting to a new platform? |
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| 19:12:13 | rouf | Is it a year's work, or a month's? |
| 19:12:40 | Mikachu | depends on if you have specs on the hardware or have to guess |
| 19:12:55 | rouf | ok - just trying to get a feel for it. Thanks |
| 19:13:04 | dewdude | yeah, if you can figure out all the hardware issues i'm sure it'd not take too long |
| 19:13:17 | n1s | rouf: the two big roadblocks (except for someone actually doing any developing) is that you would have to figure out how to make it run your code, meaning crackin encryption, signing and what not and figure out how to use the hardware, by disassembly or if documentation is available |
| 19:13:47 | rouf | One thing I didn't see in the docs is whether rockbox supports recording in PCM or RAW (unencoded) form. Does anyone know? |
| 19:14:03 | bluebrother | another thing is the question if your device is similar (hw-wise) to an already existing port or if you need to do everything from ground up |
| 19:14:11 | bluebrother | it does support PCM |
| 19:14:14 | rouf | Cool |
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| 19:14:51 | rouf | Is this IRC channel the best place to discuss development issues, or is there a forum? |
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| 19:15:18 | n1s | rouf, have you seen this? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=XclefMT500 |
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| 19:15:26 | JavaMan | hi |
| 19:15:29 | dan_a | rouf: This is the best place for discussing it |
| 19:15:42 | JavaMan | i finally got rockbox on my 5.5g :D |
| 19:16:06 | JavaMan | i was wondering if rockbox can play videos |
| 19:16:08 | rouf | ns1 - yes, that's all the info I saw on the Xclef 500. I've emailed the poster, and am awaiting a response from him. It looks like he lost interest |
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| 19:16:31 | JavaMan | i was wondering if rockbox can play videos |
| 19:16:51 | bluebrother | oh, another telechip cpu? |
| 19:17:16 | JavaMan | someone tell me please :( |
| 19:17:43 | n1s | JavaMan: yes it does, search a little in the wiki for MpegPlayer |
| 19:17:51 | JavaMan | oh cool |
| 19:17:54 | * | n1s runs away |
| 19:18:03 | * | bluebrother was too slow |
| 19:18:06 | JavaMan | so i can play videos that i already had? |
| 19:18:15 | Mikachu | no |
| 19:18:15 | bluebrother | btw, see the channel topic ... |
| 19:18:33 | bluebrother | just read that page. It explains what works and what not |
| 19:18:43 | JavaMan | also do i always have to connect to my computer everytime i want to go back to apple os? |
| 19:19:02 | Mikachu | no |
| 19:19:02 | JavaMan | i know it said that in the tutorial but i was wondering if i could do it on the ipod |
| 19:19:12 | Mikachu | what tutorial? |
| 19:19:14 | JavaMan | then how do you do it? |
| 19:19:17 | JavaMan | yes |
| 19:19:23 | JavaMan | the one for ipod video |
| 19:19:24 | Mikachu | yes is not a what |
| 19:19:38 | Mikachu | just hold play for 5 seconds |
| 19:19:47 | JavaMan | hmmm |
| 19:20:02 | Mikachu | then press menu to turn on, and immediately turn hold on |
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| 19:20:59 | JavaMan | its not working |
| 19:20:59 | dan_a | amiconn: With your patch, the G3 hangs for long periods on disk accesses, and the test plugin can't create its file |
| 19:21:07 | amiconn | Hmm, usb<->charger disambiguation on ipod isn't possible with just gpio |
| 19:21:36 | * | amiconn needs to take a look at this mysterious usb chip docs |
| 19:21:40 | JavaMan | mikachu, all it does is shutdown my ipod |
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| 19:21:50 | amiconn | dan_a: oh? :( |
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| 19:22:06 | dewdude | JavaMan, with your ipod shut down, hit the center button, then turn hold on |
| 19:22:17 | JavaMan | and wat if my hold is alreafy on? |
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| 19:22:29 | dan_a | amiconn: Is it possible that the test file from my previous run is still hanging around? |
| 19:22:37 | dewdude | well, if hold is on, and the ipod is off, you can't turn the ipod on |
| 19:22:39 | amiconn | Shouldn't matter |
| 19:22:51 | JavaMan | oh |
| 19:22:58 | dewdude | so, turn hold off, hit center button, then flip hold back on |
| 19:23:08 | amiconn | The test plugin cleans up after itself, but even if it doesn't the new creat() should overwrite |
| 19:23:08 | JavaMan | ok me try |
| 19:23:12 | Mikachu | JavaMan: of course it turns off, that's why my next instruction included the words "turn on" |
| 19:23:12 | dewdude | do it before it shows the rockbox bootloader, while it's got the apple logo |
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| 19:24:07 | JavaMan | ok it works :d |
| 19:24:36 | JavaMan | too bad ipod linux doesnt work for me |
| 19:24:46 | JavaMan | they said i have to install it on a mac or sometihng |
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| 19:24:53 | JavaMan | but rockbox is just fine :d |
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| 19:25:05 | dewdude | no, you don't need a mac to do ipl |
| 19:25:15 | dewdude | but if you've got the 5.5g ipod video...it won't work anyway |
| 19:25:21 | JavaMan | :o |
| 19:25:33 | dewdude | that's what i've gotten from the wiki |
| 19:25:38 | * | amiconn wonders what's going on on the G3 |
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| 19:25:52 | JavaMan | ok now i must figure out how to run mpeg |
| 19:26:10 | amiconn | All other tested PP targets have no problem with the asm, and the only difference for G3 is the different ata data port address |
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| 19:26:52 | JavaMan | i cant find it on wiki :( |
| 19:27:03 | dewdude | not the rocobox wiki..the ipl wiki |
| 19:27:13 | JavaMan | :o |
| 19:27:16 | JavaMan | i dont get it |
| 19:27:16 | dan_a | amiconn: I'll have a look at the code - is it possible that it's too fast and overflowing a buffer somewhere? |
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| 19:27:29 | JavaMan | i dont have ipl though :o |
| 19:27:47 | amiconn | I don't think that it can be too fast provided the interface timings are correct |
| 19:28:00 | amiconn | But it seems there are other ata problems on the G3 |
| 19:28:07 | hamstu | I was just reading Popular Science (Feb 2007) and rockbox is featured in the How 2.0 section... pretty cool :) |
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| 19:28:17 | amiconn | check_registers() is shunted... |
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| 19:28:32 | JavaMan | dewdude, i dont have ipl |
| 19:28:44 | amiconn | dan_a: Did you run a stress test unpatched? |
| 19:29:03 | dan_a | amiconn: Yes - I've not run it patched yet |
| 19:29:24 | * | dewdude shakes his head |
| 19:29:31 | dewdude | JavaMan, i meant on thier website |
| 19:29:34 | dewdude | which is one big wiki. |
| 19:29:36 | amiconn | [19:21:23] <dan_a> amiconn: With your patch, the G3 hangs for long periods on disk accesses, and the test plugin can't create its file <= did I misunderstand that? |
| 19:29:38 | dewdude | all the documentation is there. |
| 19:29:39 | pixelma | dewdude, JavaMan: I think he means PluginMpegplayer |
| 19:29:52 | JavaMan | :o |
| 19:30:07 | JavaMan | i just want to play movies from rockbox that i had in my apple os |
| 19:30:10 | pixelma | in the rockbox wiki |
| 19:30:12 | JavaMan | which one is it |
| 19:30:20 | JavaMan | ok |
| 19:30:23 | dewdude | i don't know...you've gotten confused |
| 19:30:25 | dewdude | i forgot where i was |
| 19:30:31 | dan_a | amiconn: The speed test complains that it can't create a test file |
| 19:30:39 | dewdude | i thought you were following some of what i was talking about like a intelligent user |
| 19:30:53 | JavaMan | >:o |
| 19:30:54 | amiconn | dan_a: Check the filesystem... maybe there is a problem? |
| 19:31:06 | amiconn | Hmm, how much free space is there? |
| 19:31:23 | dewdude | i mean, i never said you had to have ipl....even I don't have ipl..my ipod is 5.5g |
| 19:31:23 | dan_a | amiconn: Gigs |
| 19:31:58 | dewdude | but all the documentation is on thier website...actually has quite a bit of technical info on the units as well |
| 19:32:01 | amiconn | Hmm, so with patch, it can't create a test file, and without patch, it's slow because disk access often hangs? |
| 19:32:49 | JavaMan | also is it just the num battery thats inaccurate or both? |
| 19:33:33 | JavaMan | if the apple os is accurate about the battery why cant rockbox? |
| 19:33:58 | Mikachu | maybe because they built the thing |
| 19:34:00 | bluebrother | _is_ the apple os accurate? |
| 19:34:15 | JavaMan | i think :o |
| 19:34:15 | Mikachu | it just has 4 levels |
| 19:34:21 | bluebrother | and: has the battery for that model been calibrated already? |
| 19:34:31 | Mikachu | "full" "not full" "omg you're almost out" ":X" |
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| 19:34:40 | bluebrother | 4 levels is really accurate :P |
| 19:34:42 | dan_a | amiconn: No, without patch it's OK. With patch it can't create the test file, and browsing frequently hangs for longer than normal |
| 19:34:57 | dan_a | s/browsing/file browsing/ |
| 19:34:58 | JavaMan | how much does a new 5.5g battery cost |
| 19:35:12 | JavaMan | i dont want to have to pay too much :o |
| 19:35:20 | bluebrother | ask ebay ;-) |
| 19:35:29 | Mikachu | it holds for several hundred recharge cycles |
| 19:35:30 | JavaMan | :o |
| 19:35:30 | amiconn | :confused: |
| 19:35:49 | dewdude | part of the reason rockbox isn't quite as accurate as it doens't really know the capacity of the battery currently in the unit |
| 19:36:03 | JavaMan | how do i find that out |
| 19:36:29 | dewdude | i'm not sure if they used a standard size among all units, which would seem logical...but..you'd have to dismantle the unit and examine the battery |
| 19:36:31 | perl|work | whats with this blind passion of buying ipods |
| 19:36:47 | JavaMan | :o |
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| 19:37:21 | dan_a | amiconn: With the patch it feels like it's doing ATA retries |
| 19:37:25 | JavaMan | also if rockbox can be installed on any ipod why cant ipodlinux? |
| 19:37:41 | dewdude | JavaMan, i'm not a programmer. but i'm sure the reasons are numberous |
| 19:37:48 | JavaMan | ok |
| 19:37:50 | dewdude | rockbox and ipl are two VASTLY different projects |
| 19:37:52 | Soul-Slayer | Rockbox doesn't work on the 80gb |
| 19:37:57 | amiconn | dan_a: That's odd. |
| 19:38:03 | Soul-Slayer | As someone found that out yesterday :p. |
| 19:38:06 | dewdude | Soul-Slayer, old info. |
| 19:38:07 | JavaMan | im glad i dont have a 80g :o |
| 19:38:15 | Soul-Slayer | Really? |
| 19:38:17 | dewdude | yes. |
| 19:38:19 | Soul-Slayer | Problem was only yesterday, lol |
| 19:38:22 | * | amiconn suspects a more general problem with the G3 ata driver, just covered up by the slower C transfer routines |
| 19:38:38 | dewdude | i've known about rocobox not supporting 80 gig since like, november when i started researching |
| 19:38:48 | JavaMan | are there more plugins i can install other than the ones that came with rockbox? |
| 19:38:51 | dewdude | hell, i had my sidekick in the store looking at what models were supported before i purchased it |
| 19:39:11 | dewdude | JavaMan, plugins are compiled into the code...so, you'd have to build your own rockbox and insert the plugin yourself |
| 19:39:25 | Soul-Slayer | Ah no, dew, I didn't mean that |
| 19:39:34 | JavaMan | oh |
| 19:39:34 | Soul-Slayer | I was reffering to this: "(18:37:27) JavaMan: also if rockbox can be installed on any ipod why cant ipodlinux?" |
| 19:39:43 | Soul-Slayer | Was pointing out that it didn't work on any ipod |
| 19:39:47 | dewdude | ohh...i only read phrases. |
| 19:40:00 | Soul-Slayer | Should have been more specific, sorry :p. |
| 19:40:01 | dewdude | i missed that any condition |
| 19:40:05 | JavaMan | also can i make rockbox read text files other than .txt? |
| 19:40:06 | dewdude | no, it's okl. |
| 19:40:11 | dewdude | i'm the one that looked like an ass. |
| 19:40:24 | JavaMan | because i have some .java files i would like to see |
| 19:40:35 | * | dewdude shrugs |
| 19:40:39 | JavaMan | :( |
| 19:40:46 | dewdude | JavaMan, have you tried reading the wiki for that kind of information |
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| 19:40:55 | JavaMan | they dont have info on that |
| 19:40:56 | dewdude | searching the forums is a good decision as well. |
| 19:41:01 | JavaMan | ok |
| 19:41:27 | JavaMan | for ipodlinux |
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| 19:41:40 | JavaMan | the plugins are built into the code are they? |
| 19:42:00 | JavaMan | i dont like the idea of being built in the code |
| 19:42:01 | dewdude | they're compiled into the firmware |
| 19:42:24 | dewdude | well, if they had to add a function to read them from disk, that's more bloat |
| 19:42:25 | JavaMan | i wish it could execute files |
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| 19:42:47 | dewdude | what do you mean execute files? |
| 19:42:51 | Febs | JavaMan: Rockbox Manual section 8.3.6: "You can view files without a .txt extension by using Open with from the File Menu (see section 4.1.2)." |
| 19:42:52 | JavaMan | like |
| 19:42:54 | dewdude | it'll execute .ipod files |
| 19:43:03 | JungleJim | Hey guys, need some quick help |
| 19:43:07 | dewdude | yes, see, you haven't been reading the documentation |
| 19:43:12 | JavaMan | how the apple os can execute ipg |
| 19:43:18 | JavaMan | >:o |
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| 19:43:28 | JungleJim | How do I get videos onto my iRiver using RockBox? |
| 19:43:39 | JungleJim | How do I get videos onto my iRiver using RockBox? |
| 19:43:39 | JavaMan | hi |
| 19:43:42 | JavaMan | hi |
| 19:43:53 | JavaMan | i dont know the answer to you problem sorry :( |
| 19:43:57 | Arathis | JungleJim: copy & paste |
| 19:43:59 | Febs | JungleJim: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=PluginMpegplayer |
| 19:44:04 | JavaMan | :o |
| 19:44:15 | JungleJim | Oh, it's just the Mpeg viewer? |
| 19:44:57 | JungleJim | I must have jpeg stuck in my mind, because I was thinking of pictures |
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| 19:45:36 | JavaMan | is there anything else besides rockbox and ipl? |
| 19:45:37 | Febs | In that case: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1550008.3.2 |
| 19:45:38 | JungleJim | So, next question, how do I get videos onto my PC in order to transfer them to the player? lol |
| 19:45:50 | JavaMan | i think there should be more since ipod is so popular |
| 19:45:51 | JavaMan | :/ |
| 19:46:31 | dewdude | Java: it's not like..snap your fingers and you start coding replacements |
| 19:46:42 | JungleJim | Febs: Oh, thanks, but I actually am looking for video, not picture :) Still, good to know! |
| 19:46:43 | dewdude | there's a WHOLE lot of work involved |
| 19:46:55 | dewdude | i don't think you can quite grasp how much actually goes into firmware replacement |
| 19:47:14 | JungleJim | dewdude: Are you talking to me? |
| 19:47:40 | JavaMan | i see that :o |
| 19:47:42 | dewdude | JungleJim, no, if i had been talking to you i would of started off a new line with your nick. |
| 19:48:04 | JungleJim | Sorry, didn't know :) |
| 19:48:14 | JungleJim | Alright, thanks for the help guys! |
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| 20:13:47 | n1s | dewdude: plugins are actually loaded from disk |
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| 20:16:08 | amiconn | dan_a: Hmm, could you lock down the cpu clock to a low value (lower than standard unboosted) and test the patch? |
| 20:16:46 | amiconn | If this works, it proves that this patch is too fast for PP5002, because we don't know how to configure the ata controller properly |
| 20:17:05 | * | amiconn probably needs to disable this optimisation for the G3 :/ |
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| 20:33:30 | foolsh | ls |
| 20:33:35 | foolsh | opps |
| 20:37:20 | amiconn | Febs: Real name policy, eh? |
| 20:38:03 | Febs | Are you referring to my commit message? |
| 20:38:19 | amiconn | yes |
| 20:38:59 | n1s | Bryan Childs (GodEater) |
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| 20:39:25 | n1s | btw shouldn't the patch be closed (since it's comitted)? |
| 20:41:08 | Febs | Yes, but I don't have administrator rights on FS. |
| 20:41:34 | n1s | ok, closed |
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| 20:44:01 | n1s | Febs: you should ask bagder to make you a dev on FS, having commit access and not being able to close tasks is strange :-) |
| 20:45:46 | amiconn | /ping Bagder |
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| 20:59:22 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Have you tried the diagnostics mode on your mini? Hold LEFT+SELECT whilst booting. I can't remember the details, but there was one screen in there which showed different values when I connected USB to my PC and USB to the charger. It's the only clue I've managed to find. |
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| 21:05:21 | n1s | JdGordon: it seems you left out some #ifdef HAV_LCD_COLOR in the latest patch |
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| 21:07:21 | Febs | Does anyone know what language the last post in this thread is or what it says? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8336.msg65037 |
| 21:07:25 | amiconn | linuxstb: I can't find such a screen in diagnostics mode |
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| 21:07:49 | amiconn | There's only an 'USB test' which shows the same ID for both true usb and usb charger |
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| 21:08:55 | linuxstb_ | I'm just looking now as well to try and find it. The USBDP and USBDN values are different for me when connecting to a charger and a computer - in Power -> A2DTESTS |
| 21:09:08 | ender` | Febs: looks turkish to me |
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| 21:09:53 | ender` | (at least it's similar to the stuff .tr people PM me - my nickname attracts them for some reason) |
| 21:10:11 | amiconn | The mini only shows ID, VCC, Battery and ACC in the ADC test screen |
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| 21:10:37 | linuxstb_ | Ah, OK. I'm using my video. |
| 21:11:17 | linuxstb_ | I get ID, A2D, BatteryA2D, VCC, ACC, ChargeADC, USBDP and USBDN |
| 21:11:47 | amiconn | Hmm, Status has an USBPWR value, let's see |
| 21:12:11 | amiconn | <ot>It also says LCD: optrex</ot> |
| 21:12:12 | JdGordon | n1s: damn, which file? |
| 21:12:52 | pixelma | JdGordon: see flyspray.. |
| 21:12:53 | amiconn | Hmm, USBPWR goes to 1 for usb and charger (0 otherwise) |
| 21:13:36 | n1s | JdGordon: settings.c, they were there in a previous patch |
| 21:14:12 | JdGordon | odd.. I dunno how they got missed then |
| 21:14:27 | n1s | btw, have been using my player a little today and everything worked fine ,but haven't been looking too hard tho :-) |
| 21:14:51 | JdGordon | yay |
| 21:15:25 | pixelma | same here with the previous patch... I just checked that resume position get saved quickly and they seem to do :) |
| 21:16:09 | JdGordon | great |
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| 21:16:55 | JdGordon | ok, this is odd... im staring right at a #ifdef HAVE_LCD_COLOR where its complaining is missing :'( |
| 21:17:27 | JdGordon | its in the patch also! |
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| 21:18:27 | Doug_ | I thought mpegplayer always was on Rockbox (Well since I've been using it for the last 2 months) |
| 21:19:18 | JdGordon | n1s: pixelma: it looks like I may have uploaded the wrong version of the patch before going to bed last night |
| 21:21:01 | JdGordon | proper version is up... i gotta get ready to get out of the house... (stupid bloody 7am :'( ) |
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| 21:26:31 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: On my 5g, I have a 4066_ISTAT value in A2DTests->ADC Test which is 0 when connected to AC, and a high value when connected to a real USB port. I guess that refers to the LTC4066 Linear USB Power Manager chip. |
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| 21:27:40 | linuxstb_ | Argh, from the Linear website: "This Datasheet is available on a Limited Basis Only. Please click here to request a copy." |
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| 21:29:00 | Doug_ | Is there any such plans for a Gameshark/Game Genie for rockboy? |
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| 21:32:38 | Bagder | "such plans" ? |
| 21:33:08 | Bagder | I don't think anyone has worked on rockboy for a very long time |
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| 21:34:27 | amiconn | linuxstb: Ipod mini G1 has LTC4055, and that datasheet is available |
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| 21:37:13 | foolsh | I'm tring to add scroll wheel functionality to bubbles, but it uses some kind of generic PLA_BUTTON scheme does anyone know if there is a PLA_SCROLL_X function? |
| 21:37:48 | pixelma | foolsh: for the sansa? |
| 21:37:53 | foolsh | yup |
| 21:38:39 | foolsh | I've tried BUTTON_SCROLL_UP but nothting happens |
| 21:39:02 | pixelma | I let someone try that - he said it would be a bit uncomfortable the way the scroll wheel works atm |
| 21:40:03 | foolsh | it just seems alittle slow holding the left and right buttons to aim |
| 21:40:14 | amiconn | linuxstb: Does the G5 have a separate charging input (i.e. not usb)? |
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| 21:40:59 | linuxstb_ | foolsh: Bubbles (unless someone has changed it) uses the scroll wheel events on the ipod. I don't know if they are implemented in the same way for the Sansa though. |
| 21:41:16 | GodEater | amiconn: nope it doesn't. It's usb only. |
| 21:41:26 | foolsh | Thanks I'll do some digging |
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| 21:41:33 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: It can charge via firewire, if that counts. |
| 21:41:45 | amiconn | Not really |
| 21:41:45 | pixelma | linuxstb: no |
| 21:41:50 | GodEater | I would imagine that's the same with the mini |
| 21:41:57 | * | amiconn wonders what the LTC4066 detection does |
| 21:42:15 | amiconn | GodEater: The mini (even the mini G2) has full firewire support, not only charging |
| 21:42:23 | pixelma | linuxstb: sorry - yes it does on the Ipod |
| 21:42:25 | GodEater | woo - lucky you :) |
| 21:42:30 | linuxstb_ | I guess the "charge via firewire" feature just means the 12V connectors on the dock are still connected to something. |
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| 21:42:44 | Everybody | holy crap |
| 21:42:47 | Everybody | I have 3 ghosts? :o |
| 21:44:54 | pixelma | foolsh: you'd either have to change it in the button actions file (apps\plugins\libpluginlib_actions.h) - or code exceptions in bubbles.c itself |
| 21:45:27 | pixelma | changing the button actions file will have an influence on how metronome works too |
| 21:46:16 | Ctcp | Ignored 4 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 21:46:16 | * | pixelma still hopes that plugin button actions will go (especially for bubbles) |
| 21:46:35 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: There's something wrong with them? |
| 21:49:14 | pixelma | IMO they make not much sense for game plugins considering the great variety of controls needed (and there can be great differences in intuitive controls considering the button layouts of a target) |
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| 21:50:35 | pixelma | best example is scroll wheel on Ipods - for Bubbles it is intuitive to use it as left/right to aim - in other games it could be better used for up/down |
| 21:50:49 | foolsh | pixelma: thanks i think i found what im looking for though |
| 21:50:59 | foolsh | installing now |
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| 21:51:23 | Calinz | hi all |
| 21:52:19 | pixelma | linuxstb: and I think especially for games you would end up with lots of #ifdefs and it would be more confusing than it is right now because you need to look up the generic button action in a different file |
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| 21:52:34 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hmm, maybe I'll run into problems wrt firewire :( |
| 21:52:36 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: I agree, but it probably just means we need more actions. e.g. Pong is an "up+down" game. Bubbles and brickmania are both "left/right/fire", other games need all four directions. |
| 21:52:49 | amiconn | My laptop only has a 4-pin socket and hence no fw power |
| 21:53:05 | Calinz | I i modified .APR file for my sansa videos don't get cut all 10minutes ... it work well with last patch of Original firmware ... but when i use the "firmware for Rockbox (multyboot)" |
| 21:53:18 | linuxstb_ | And different screens in plugins need to use different actions - the menu-like opening screens shouldn't be the same as the game itself. |
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| 21:53:25 | amiconn | linuxstb: Speaking about 4 directions - what do you think about changing the sudoku controls on ipod as follows: |
| 21:53:38 | Calinz | and try launch video with sansa sytem... it say me that i have to use sansa converter for ..... |
| 21:53:41 | pixelma | linuxstb: pong is up/down but very specific too as it should provide controls for two players |
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| 21:53:55 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: Ah yes. Not really possible on an ipod... |
| 21:54:02 | amiconn | Use the 4 directions for cursor movement (l/r/play/menu), and the wheel for scrolling through numbers? |
| 21:54:38 | linuxstb_ | Yes, but how do you then access the menu, and use the thing on the left? |
| 21:54:56 | amiconn | Combos with select... |
| 21:55:28 | pixelma | linuxstb: and I think controlling Brickmania with the scrollwheel would be awkward too |
| 21:55:32 | Calinz | do some1 can help to keep my 1hour more movies readable when i use OriginalFirmware From rockbox Oo ? |
| 21:55:41 | amiconn | For menu it shouldn't be a problem; for scratchpad I don't know (never use it myself) |
| 21:56:11 | linuxstb_ | I don't use the scratchpad either. But I guess SELECT+MENU could bring up the menu, and SELECT+LEFT would work for the scratchpad. |
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| 21:56:30 | pixelma | linuxstb: I made such a Sudoku patch and had a solution - hope it didn't fell out of my cvs cleanup last week |
| 21:56:49 | foolsh | @Calinz : do you use the sansa media convertor? |
| 21:56:50 | * | linuxstb_ wonders when Sudoku got a white background |
| 21:57:06 | Calinz | yeah foolsh |
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| 21:57:37 | foolsh | and what is the problem with the original firmware? |
| 21:57:43 | Calinz | i used it .. but cant i got the message error when i use the Original firmware from Rockbox-multyboot |
| 21:57:47 | Calinz | i mean |
| 21:57:53 | amiconn | linuxstb: Ah yes, pixelma mapped the scratchpad action to Select |
| 21:57:56 | rp- | Bagder: what happened to the sansa e200 devboard with the jtag? |
| 21:58:13 | Calinz | i can only read theses movie 1hour more with The real original last firmware (that mean no more acces to rockbox) |
| 21:58:28 | amiconn | (with a slight bug - it should only react on short Select so that using the menu combo doesn't have the side effect of changing the scratchpad |
| 21:58:29 | Calinz | but when i change to the firware to the multyboot from Rockbox |
| 21:58:30 | amiconn | ) |
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| 21:58:46 | Calinz | i cant read it anymore |
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| 21:58:59 | Calinz | i hope you understand my probleme :x |
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| 21:59:43 | foolsh | did you make the OF.bin from the updated firmware mi4 file? |
| 21:59:53 | Calinz | yeah naturaly :] |
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| 22:00:12 | Bagder | rp-: it's still here... you interested in working with it? |
| 22:00:14 | Calinz | go private foolsh :) then we will not spam here ^^ |
| 22:00:29 | Calinz | damn register only :x |
| 22:01:04 | Calinz | foolsh join #calinzor |
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| 22:01:19 | barrywardell | rp-: i have tried using JTAG with my H10. it's worth looking into openocd if you do. it half works |
| 22:01:52 | barrywardell | as in it detects it, but seems to have problems with the fact that there are two arm cores there |
| 22:01:58 | Simpson | Just thought I'd mention it, but the Plugin Index is out of date for plugins supported by the Gigabeat. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex |
| 22:02:01 | rp- | Bagder: ehm no, i'm not a hardware guru, i was just curious if it was any usefull |
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| 22:02:19 | rp- | what would i need to debug with that jtag? |
| 22:02:48 | Bagder | rp-: you need a wiggler and software to play with it |
| 22:03:10 | barrywardell | rp-: openocd is free jtag software that works with arm |
| 22:03:49 | markun | Simpson: if you create a wiki account you can fix it |
| 22:04:01 | Simpson | Oh, and the plugin index page also still lists the link as CVS builds. |
| 22:04:22 | Simpson | Oh, ok. |
| 22:04:31 | Simpson | Wasn't sure id I'd overstep someone's bounds. |
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| 22:05:09 | Simpson | markun: black less eye-damaging that the teal I used to have? ;) |
| 22:05:44 | rp- | looks interesting, but i don't think i have yet the skills to debug such things, i can hardly read arm asm :) |
| 22:05:54 | markun | Simpson: yes, looks fine to me now :) |
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| 22:08:00 | perl|work | i can confirm calculator plugin works just fine with gigabeat :P |
| 22:08:20 | rp- | but wouldn't that devboard with jtag not a good starting point to improve the lcd driver for the sansa? |
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| 22:08:39 | muesli__ | GodEater are u not supposed to be called deatheater? |
| 22:09:16 | barrywardell | rp-: the problem is finding someone with the time and skill to use it |
| 22:10:50 | rp- | yeah i know :/ i hope i can improve my skills for such things, very interesting hobby |
| 22:11:15 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: Do you have the same USB detection problems on the H10 as the ipods? i.e. USB AC adapter and USB to computer both look the same? |
| 22:12:04 | barrywardell | linuxstb_: no. we can distinguish easily |
| 22:12:48 | Simpson | Any chance I could get write abilities on the wiki at Rockbox from someone? |
| 22:13:12 | n1s | sure, WikiName please |
| 22:13:16 | barrywardell | i think. although i can't remember how off the top of my head |
| 22:13:31 | Simpson | CarmeloMorabito |
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| 22:14:08 | linuxstb_ | Do the terms USBDP and USBDN mean anything to you? These are displayed in my 5g's diagnostics screen (part of the Apple firmware) and are 0 when connected to my PC (or connected to nothing) and a high value when connected to the AC adapter. |
| 22:14:29 | n1s | Simpson: done |
| 22:14:38 | Simpson | Thank you. |
| 22:14:57 | Febs | Bagder: can you give me rights to close tasks on the tracker? Currently, when I commit changes to the manual, I need to get someone else to close the associate patch on FS. |
| 22:15:11 | Bagder | Febs: what's your username there? |
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| 22:15:39 | Febs | medifebbo |
| 22:15:52 | Bagder | fixed! |
| 22:16:35 | * | n1s wonders why rotator (Adam Boot) has his own "developers" group in FS |
| 22:16:39 | Febs | Thanks. |
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| 22:17:30 | pixelma | he also appeared as Adam (only) in the svn table |
| 22:18:05 | n1s | he is obviously recieving special treatment, but why ;-) |
| 22:18:39 | Bagder | he paid twice what you paid! ;-) |
| 22:18:55 | n1s | aaah, that much eh? |
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| 22:18:57 | linuxstb_ | What do I get if I offer to pay triple? |
| 22:19:40 | Bagder | you get to pick a nick name without an underscore! |
| 22:19:48 | Bagder | :-P |
| 22:19:49 | amiconn | linuxstb: USBDP = usb data positive, USBDN = usb data negative, the 2 data lines |
| 22:20:25 | linuxstb_ | That's what I thought, but why would they be 0 when connected to the computer (and connected to nothing), and a value when connected to the charger? |
| 22:21:08 | dionoea | maybe it's a way to request 500 mA instead of 100 mA |
| 22:21:11 | dionoea | (wild random guess) |
| 22:22:07 | amiconn | linuxstb: Iirc the data lines are pulled low by the host. They're probably also low when the is no Vbus (i.e. connected to nothing) |
| 22:22:09 | barrywardell | linuxstb_: could be worth reading the first 0x200 bytes starting at 0xc5000000 and see if anything changes when you connect the charger |
| 22:22:22 | barrywardell | they're the registers of the usb controller |
| 22:22:27 | amiconn | But Vbus with no pulling (i.e. charger only) makes them high |
| 22:23:09 | barrywardell | or try the usb debug plugin in the tracker and see if anything changes... |
| 22:23:32 | * | linuxstb_ goes to the tracker |
| 22:25:31 | barrywardell | FS #6494 |
| 22:25:41 | Hotfusion | has anyone messed with an X5L on battery replacement? |
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| 22:27:17 | Calinz | all done :) |
| 22:27:19 | Calinz | woot |
| 22:27:39 | Calinz | gn8 all :) |
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| 22:33:19 | bascule | Anyone care to commit this WPS partial scroll patch? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5907 |
| 22:33:20 | bascule | It's been ready to go for a while now, and I don't like to bug lowlight again ;) |
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| 22:43:40 | foolsh | anyone here familiar enough with e200 hardware that can tell me if i can replace the scroll wheel with a 4bit bidirectional shift register? I'm thinking of a case mode to replace it with scroll up/down buttons |
| 22:44:38 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: The USB debug screen doesn't appear to change, even when I connect to my computer. |
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| 22:45:42 | barrywardell | linuxstb_: what about if you do setup, then run. it should change somewhat when you connect and disconnect. |
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| 22:51:54 | SoapAtWork | Just reading the logs here at work and couldn't hope but notice: |
| 22:51:55 | SoapAtWork | 16.35.24 # <bluebrother> hmm. Why not using bittorrent for video distribution? |
| 22:51:55 | SoapAtWork | 16.35.41 # <Mikachu> who would seed it? |
| 22:52:01 | SoapAtWork | I'd seed all of them. |
| 22:52:34 | SoapAtWork | I have them all, and hate to imagine the bandwidth hit they cause. |
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| 22:54:08 | SoapAtWork | Well, the offer stands - I have only 40KB/s up, but 24/7. |
| 22:54:14 | lowlight | bascule: bug away :) ...but my dev box is down right now. |
| 22:54:23 | SoapAtWork | If anyone bites PM Soap, I gotta go. |
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| 22:59:50 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: (and amiconn) The "Current Connect Status" seems to work... If I do setup and run when connected to my PC, it says "attached'. Same thing with AC adapter says "Not-Att". |
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| 23:00:11 | linuxstb_ | But the odd thing is that as soon as I disconnect from AC (so it's connected to nothing), it changes to "Attached". |
| 23:00:44 | linuxstb_ | It then doesn't change back to not-att when I reconnect - unless I do setup and run again. |
| 23:01:19 | bascule | @lowlight AFAIK it's still OK to be committed, but I haven't checked it's synchronisation against SVN |
| 23:01:48 | bascule | I was hoping someone else may jump in ! |
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| 23:03:16 | barrywardell | linuxstb_: interesting. it probably needs a controller reset whenever disconnecting |
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| 23:05:54 | dan_a | amiconn: I lowered the clock on my G3 to 1MHz. The plugin still couldn't create the test file. I'm going to check that the unpatched version still works. |
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| 23:09:23 | lowlight | bascule: yes, if someone else wants to commit it it's fine with me...hopefully I'll get my problems ironed out here shortly |
| 23:09:56 | amiconn | dan_a: Hmm, really odd... |
| 23:10:09 | * | amiconn wonders what he could do wrong for PP5002 |
| 23:10:42 | amiconn | This things works just fine on all PP5020s and compatibles, at maximum clock |
| 23:11:54 | dan_a | It does sound like there's something funny about the ATA on the PP5002, if check_registers isn't working |
| 23:12:44 | amiconn | Yes, see ata.c lines 513..537 |
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| 23:13:29 | amiconn | (my patch doesn't touch ata.c at all, just ata-target.h and firmware/SOURCES, and adds the asm source fiöe) |
| 23:13:34 | amiconn | *file |
| 23:14:02 | dan_a | Does it just replace copy_[read|write]_sectors? |
| 23:14:13 | amiconn | yup |
| 23:17:29 | barrywardell | linuxstb_: on h10, usb and charger connect are just done using different gpio ports |
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| 23:17:45 | dan_a | It still works with the original code - so I'm pretty sure it's not a disk error here. |
| 23:17:54 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: Sadly it's not that simple on the ipods. |
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| 23:19:00 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: Running setup and run on my 5g without anything attached still gives me Attached in the debug screen... |
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| 23:19:46 | amiconn | linuxstb: Does it change to 'not attached' when connecting the charger afterwards? |
| 23:20:44 | barrywardell | linuxstb_: attached means run/stop bit is set to run (which dr_controller_run() does) |
| 23:21:28 | barrywardell | it's a slightly confusing term |
| 23:22:41 | barrywardell | page 1387 of the freescale reference manual has a diagram. it helps a little |
| 23:22:52 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: No. |
| 23:23:28 | barrywardell | a little but not too much |
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| 23:25:56 | barrywardell | amiconn, linuxstb_: btw. I'm looking at using this USB stack (MrH recommendation): http://sourceforge.net/projects/lpcusb |
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| 23:29:30 | amiconn | Erm, did someone test my asm otpimised ata transfer on a nano? |
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| 23:31:11 | Zagor | LinusN: here? |
| 23:31:57 | LinusN | yo |
| 23:32:21 | * | amiconn doesn't want to commit non-working code for a target |
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| 23:33:37 | Zagor | LinusN: settings_menu.c:1727 looks wrong to me. or is it intentional? |
| 23:34:05 | Zagor | (call to audio_set_crossfade() in unplug_rw()) |
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| 23:39:16 | LinusN | Zagor: look odd.... |
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| 23:41:46 | JdGordon | anyone still around? |
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| 23:42:01 | fasmaie | JdGordon: yes |
| 23:42:40 | JdGordon | fasmaie: I meant the core devs :p but your good too :D |
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| 23:43:04 | fasmaie | JdGordon: Not really :), but it's nice of you to say so |
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| 23:43:58 | Bagder | grrrr |
| 23:44:02 | Bagder | sf is annoying |
| 23:44:27 | JdGordon | ok, what do we want to do with the "nvram" settings on targets without nvram? keep them in a seperate file on disk? or just leave them all in config.cfg (remembering there is no current way to say to save those instead of all settings) |
| 23:44:36 | Bagder | I get spammed by people filing spam "comments" in existing bug tracker entries... |
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| 23:45:29 | fasmaie | Alonea: Ney |
| 23:45:47 | Zagor | JdGordon: save them all in the same file. it makes no sense to split them on targets without nvram |
| 23:46:05 | fasmaie | Alonea: Hey, actually. My typing skills have gone south |
| 23:46:09 | Alonea | ^__^ I guess you can say hello over here too. Anything new anyone? |
| 23:46:29 | JdGordon | the difference is that if people want to swap configs, those settings are not swaped |
| 23:47:09 | Zagor | they're not? |
| 23:47:22 | bluebrother | Bagder, the current state of the release / svnversion script will always add the build date to the version information. Is this good? |
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| 23:47:37 | Bagder | bluebrother: I think so |
| 23:47:49 | JdGordon | Zagor: I meant, we dont want these settings to be swapped, the resume info and uptime and such |
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| 23:48:37 | Zagor | JdGordon: ah, them. right, they're not really settings per se. we want to separate settings and storage |
| 23:48:55 | JdGordon | ok, binary? or text file is fine? |
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| 23:50:19 | amiconn | Hmm, no nano owner around? |
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| 23:50:36 | Zagor | JdGordon: hmm, I'm not sure what I think. the downside with text files is increased code size and more complex updates. |
| 23:50:59 | Zagor | (i.e. you have to rewrite the entire file each update) |
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| 23:51:06 | * | amiconn would prefer binary for status |
| 23:51:28 | JdGordon | not really, seen as that code isn handled for the rest of the settings anyway, a binary file would actually increase code size, it would also reintroduce a config version which is irritating |
| 23:51:30 | amiconn | Could use the same data structure as the nvram structure on targets which have it |
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| 23:51:52 | Bagder | JdGordon: you need the binary for nvram anyway |
| 23:52:25 | Zagor | Bagder: good point. since we need binary anyway, let's not duplicate with text also. |
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| 23:53:48 | JdGordon | ok |
| 23:54:11 | amiconn | I doubt the nvram format version will change often, especially as we don't need bit packing |
| 23:54:35 | pixelma | are those things like runtime data, resume position ...? |
| 23:54:42 | JdGordon | yes |
| 23:54:52 | amiconn | It should be checked for validity though. A magic cookie and a checksum should do |
| 23:55:18 | JdGordon | btw, once this is in, I want to strip those vars out of global_settings and put them into global_status, sound reasonable? |
| 23:55:19 | amiconn | Checksum can be crc32, advantage is that this function is already there |
| 23:55:41 | amiconn | (eats 4 bytes though) |
| 23:56:11 | Zagor | JdGordon: sounds good to me |
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| 23:58:44 | bluebrother | Bagder, I'd like to commit the svnversion thing. You can now use tools/release `tools/svnversion.sh` −− is this ok? |
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