| 00:00:03 | Bagder | I don't remember exactly how that is done |
| 00:00:33 | bluebrother | it writes rhe revision to docs/VERSION, and if that file is present it's used instead of the svnversion output |
| 00:01:29 | bluebrother | I tried various sims, and all those show the correct version. release added it to apps/version.h, but that was changes some years ago |
| 00:01:49 | webguest15 | Hm.. I wonder how difficult it will be to add SD support for Sansa.. Reversing the original firmware to find the interface to the SD controller.. maybe it is like the i.MX but different control reg addresses.. hm.. |
| 00:01:57 | Bagder | well go for it, we'll find out if there are any flaws left with it |
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| 00:02:28 | bluebrother | ok ;-) |
| 00:04:00 | webguest15 | barrywardell: cool! usb support (even a very basic one) would be very useful! |
| 00:04:27 | blargg | Someone (hcs) is getting a Super NES music player plug-in working in Rockbox and is encountering performance issues. I remember reading that the iPod (and possibly others) have a small amount of faster memory (128K or so). Is there any way a plug-in can use some of that memory, and can code also be executed from it faster? |
| 00:04:59 | blargg | Pointers to RTFM are fine. |
| 00:05:03 | webguest15 | barrywardell: how is the H10 firmware to reverse btw? is there any debug strings left? |
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| 00:08:03 | sneakums | blargg: rockbox calls such fast memory "IRAM", and there's a way to put stuff there. but i don't know if it's set up for the ipod. |
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| 00:11:06 | blargg | Thanks, "IRAM" will help in searching for info. |
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| 00:20:57 | bluebrother | oh, the recentsvn doesn't cope with < and > in the message |
| 00:21:04 | Bagder | oops |
| 00:23:15 | amiconn | grrrr |
| 00:23:47 | amiconn | How can I tell svn not to add svn:executable automatically? |
| 00:24:09 | Bagder | −−no-auto-props ? |
| 00:24:31 | amiconn | Hmm, but wouldn't that also suppress auto-detection of binary files? |
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| 00:27:03 | amiconn | Hmm autoprops should default to no anyway |
| 00:27:07 | * | amiconn wondering more |
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| 00:30:15 | Bagder | bluebrother: check now |
| 00:30:20 | Bagder | with an added bonus |
| 00:30:42 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Does cygwin think your files are executable? |
| 00:30:56 | bluebrother | Bagder, great, thanks :) |
| 00:31:10 | Bagder | FS #[num] is now translated to urls |
| 00:31:27 | Zagor | Bagder: nice! |
| 00:31:28 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes it does, for files created in a windows application |
| 00:31:32 | amiconn | (i.e. my editor) |
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| 00:32:21 | linuxstb_ | You could try chmod -x before commiting. |
| 00:32:43 | Bagder | it sounds like a reasonable idea |
| 00:32:52 | linuxstb_ | Or does cygwin not change anything when you do that? I can't remember how it works... |
| 00:33:18 | amiconn | It does change the x attribute |
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| 00:39:24 | barrywardell | Bagder: dunno if you're already aware, but there is a problem with the diff links in the build table when a new file is added. see tools/svnversion.sh in the recent commit for an example |
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| 00:41:49 | amiconn | barrywardell: That's not the most recent commit :P |
| 00:42:08 | barrywardell | sorry, second most recent commit! |
| 00:42:34 | amiconn | ;) |
| 00:42:45 | amiconn | But the most recent one also has that problem |
| 00:43:44 | barrywardell | haha. good point |
| 00:44:43 | linuxstb_ | The solution would be to not show [diff] for new/deleted files? |
| 00:45:08 | * | linuxstb_ wonders how renamed files would be treated |
| 00:45:43 | amiconn | New version of my patch uploaded, http://www.jens-arnold.net/Rockbox/ata-arm.diff Only a few changes: (1) Asm file renamed to ata-as-arm.S (2) Commented a bit (3) Added convenience for markun ;) (ata port address for gigabeat) |
| 00:46:37 | amiconn | (and not putting the stuff into iram on the gigabeat) |
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| 00:46:56 | linuxstb_ | Did you test removing it from iram? |
| 00:47:06 | amiconn | ? |
| 00:47:21 | amiconn | That's necessary on the gigabeat, due to the small iram |
| 00:47:26 | linuxstb_ | I mean if putting it in .icode actually helps on PP targets. |
| 00:47:34 | amiconn | Ah, no I didn't |
| 00:48:05 | amiconn | Should probably be done on a pp target with faster disk than a microdrive |
| 00:48:20 | linuxstb_ | OK, I'll try it. |
| 00:48:27 | linuxstb_ | (on my 5g) |
| 00:48:43 | * | amiconn still needs nano owners for testing compatibility of this code |
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| 00:51:16 | linuxstb_ | Hopefully Llorean will read your request in the logs |
| 00:53:07 | JdGordon | is it safe to say that nvram settings are either 1 or 4 bytes? |
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| 01:01:01 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: .icode does help, and a lot more for reading compared to writing - I get 10027/12812/12704/4409/4370 when not in IRAM, and 10707/13035/13092/5521/5306 in IRAM. (boosted) |
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| 01:05:33 | JdGordon | do I need a magic and a crc32 ? or si the crc32 fine by itself? |
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| 01:23:05 | JdGordon | woohoo :) I think my nvram code works... cant really tell easily from the hexdump tho :p |
| 01:24:07 | JdGordon | althouh the crc32 is 0.. which must be wrong |
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| 01:27:37 | JdGordon | just a copy/paste error tho hopefully |
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| 01:34:17 | scubacoles | Anyone know why the Toshiba Firmware includes a copy of the GPL and LGPL? is it Linux based? |
| 01:34:28 | scubacoles | Oops wrong window |
| 01:35:39 | linuxstb_ | Yes, it uses a Linux kernel. |
| 01:37:09 | zylche | ..I say it should get farking cracked and customised soon, if its flash-based, narf! |
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| 01:41:27 | JdGordon | pixelma: still around? |
| 01:42:04 | pixelma | mmyes |
| 01:42:39 | JdGordon | would you like to test a new version which uses the nvram? |
| 01:42:46 | JdGordon | or leave it till tomorow? |
| 01:43:04 | pixelma | btw. the correct version of your patch seems to work regarding lng- and fmr-files |
| 01:43:09 | JdGordon | :) |
| 01:43:56 | pixelma | I'd rather test tomorrow... it's quarter to 2am here |
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| 01:44:37 | JdGordon | i thought that might be the case |
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| 01:45:47 | JdGordon | apart from resume info and last dircache size, what else should go into nvram? |
| 01:46:02 | JdGordon | 14 bytes spare.... |
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| 01:46:37 | pixelma | isn't runtime data stored there atm? |
| 01:47:12 | JdGordon | ah yes.. |
| 01:48:05 | JdGordon | 2 bytes left then |
| 01:48:16 | JdGordon | 4 if really needed |
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| 03:00:42 | Noobipodder | hey im just wonderin does roxbox come with rockboy 4 ipod or do i dload that some were esle? |
| 03:01:03 | linuxstb | Which ipod do you have? |
| 03:01:10 | Noobipodder | video |
| 03:01:18 | linuxstb | Then yes, it comes with it. |
| 03:01:28 | Noobipodder | ok thx a ton! |
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| 03:09:07 | lol | is soap here? |
| 03:10:42 | Soap | ? |
| 03:10:49 | lol | hi |
| 03:10:49 | Soap | good timing |
| 03:10:52 | lol | just curious about your name |
| 03:11:04 | lol | it's the name I usually use on IRC. But when I joined here it said it was taken. Never had that happen before |
| 03:11:41 | Soap | I've been Soap in a variety of places since 1985. |
| 03:11:46 | lol | whoa |
| 03:12:14 | lol | any reason though? or is it a private reason or one I just wont understand? |
| 03:14:02 | Soap | It is an in-joke to my handle back in the Apple ][ warez scene. (no more warez for me) |
| 03:14:37 | lol | you are oooooold |
| 03:14:40 | lol | j/k |
| 03:15:05 | lol | coincidentally I first started using Soap on a warez channel |
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| 03:15:32 | lol | but really I just use the name because I like soap |
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| 03:18:42 | lol | see you later |
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| 03:41:55 | billodo | on X5 playlist is blank screen... any one else have this problem |
| 03:43:30 | billodo | nevermind |
| 03:44:56 | JdGordon | anyone with an archos around? |
| 03:45:44 | JdGordon | sorry.. anyonen with an archos recorder around |
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| 04:02:03 | hcs | whoa, whole lotta warnings |
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| 04:06:21 | rotator | mmm, the gigabeat f40 looks nice, i'm so tempted to buy one |
| 04:06:33 | rotator | relatively cheap too |
| 04:06:49 | Brunellus | dunno what the state of rockbox on that target is though |
| 04:07:07 | hcs | works great |
| 04:07:07 | Brunellus | I think the gigabeat port is a pretty recent development, though I might be wrong... |
| 04:07:10 | rotator | gah, must have the willpower not to... >_< |
| 04:07:11 | Brunellus | hcs, really? |
| 04:07:13 | scubacoles | Rockbox runs great on gigabeat |
| 04:07:25 | Brunellus | neat! |
| 04:07:36 | rotator | 300mhz is very nice :) |
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| 04:08:09 | rotator | should have no problems with audio pauses like on the other arm targets |
| 04:08:21 | scubacoles | yeah, we're trying to throttle the CPU to extend battery life, muisc plays fiune at 100MHz |
| 04:08:29 | perl|wtf | rockbox on gigabeat is almost perfect |
| 04:08:31 | rotator | nice :) |
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| 04:09:40 | Soap | I'll give $10 to whomever can explain this from the forums: "if you get anything ot work get skate" |
| 04:09:58 | perldiver | i give up |
| 04:10:13 | hcs | hmm, well clearly he's talking about overtime |
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| 04:10:27 | hcs | maybe this is some sport involving roller skates and timed intervals |
| 04:11:02 | perldiver | i that's missing some punctuation marks |
| 04:11:10 | perldiver | think* |
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| 04:13:07 | Doomed | quick question, why do i not get last played tracks, and the most played, etc songs to come up at all |
| 04:14:33 | rotator | are you using the database? |
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| 04:15:15 | rotator | and do you have "gather runtime data" enabled? |
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| 04:16:53 | Doomed | yep im using db, oh hmmm idont think so for the 2nd part ill try |
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| 04:17:47 | JungleJim | Hey guys' |
| 04:17:51 | Doomed | hi |
| 04:17:57 | JungleJim | Me again, need a little more help :) |
| 04:18:47 | JungleJim | I'm trying to get a video on my RockBox H10, and I found the guide on how to do so. But one problem: How do I get the DVD onto my computer in the first place? |
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| 04:20:10 | Doomed | well, i dont know if its acceptable to talk about it here |
| 04:20:35 | JungleJim | Why not? I own the DVD |
| 04:20:38 | Doomed | but, programs like dvd decryptor, or nero can create them |
| 04:20:42 | rotator | I think you'd be better off looking at the guides at doom9.org |
| 04:20:51 | Doomed | i havent ripped to vobs in so long |
| 04:21:32 | JungleJim | doom9.org? I'll check it out :) |
| 04:22:02 | Doomed | hmm i just turned the gather runtime on and it doesnt seem to track it, ill keep trying |
| 04:22:57 | rotator | have you tried restarting rockbox since enabling the option? |
| 04:23:11 | Hotfusion | been looking at a battery replacement for my X5L. I know it has two batteries. But the big one where the HD is. Looked like ome guy on iaudiophile used a creative zen touch battery 2000mAh 3.7v. If I cna use that I wonder what I could use for the main battery the X5L uses. |
| 04:23:17 | * | Hotfusion does more reading |
| 04:23:22 | rotator | i don't use the database myself, so i don't know for sure, but i know some of the options require that |
| 04:23:24 | Doomed | i just restarted and trying again |
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| 04:47:13 | JdGordon | anyone around with an archos recorder? |
| 04:52:05 | perldiver | wh |
| 04:52:09 | perldiver | eh |
| 04:52:11 | perldiver | http://www.electronicsweekly.com/Articles/2007/01/22/40565/Apple+faces+patent+claim+over+iPod+touch+sensor+technology.htm |
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| 05:11:41 | JdGordon | does anyone remember how to get configure to run automatically? |
| 05:12:50 | XavierGr | what do you mean exactly? |
| 05:13:00 | XavierGr | run configure after which event? |
| 05:13:41 | JdGordon | i want to script it to build every target so i can check my patch compiles on all |
| 05:14:03 | JdGordon | I cant remember how to tell configure which target to build without keyboard input |
| 05:14:15 | hcs | redirect into it |
| 05:14:44 | hcs | ../tools/configure <<EOF |
| 05:14:51 | hcs | $model |
| 05:14:51 | hcs | N |
| 05:14:51 | hcs | EOF |
| 05:14:54 | JdGordon | ta |
| 05:16:43 | Hotfusion | I take it no one here knows the dimension of the zen battery with all the paper and foil stripped off |
| 05:16:47 | Hotfusion | zen touch* |
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| 06:12:17 | * | hcs np: Guardia Millenial Fair on an iPod |
| 06:12:23 | hcs | full speed, yays |
| 06:15:43 | midgey | \o/ |
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| 06:16:15 | hcs | the compiler was doing a really foul job with globals |
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| 07:02:47 | combrains | is there anyone in here with wiki weite privs? |
| 07:02:53 | combrains | *write |
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| 07:17:05 | combrains | hey linuxstb, could you help me out with a small problem? |
| 07:20:54 | combrains | never mind - solved it :) |
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| 07:33:16 | inteliwasp | i got a quick question... are there still daily builds now that rockbox is using subversion? |
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| 07:34:28 | inteliwasp | anyone here? |
| 07:34:42 | Mouser_X | Sort of. |
| 07:34:46 | inteliwasp | anyone here? |
| 07:34:49 | inteliwasp | i got a quick question... are there still daily builds now that rockbox is using subversion? |
| 07:34:55 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
| 07:35:04 | Mouser_X | Didn't you check the site? |
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| 07:35:06 | Mouser_X | They're up. |
| 07:35:43 | inteliwasp | why am i not seeing any chanes for the ipod even tho there are in the svn log on the main page |
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| 07:36:13 | Mouser_X | There's been scripting errors on the site. |
| 07:36:23 | Mouser_X | I think they're still cleaning up from that. |
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| 07:36:53 | inteliwasp | i guess i shuld wait then... |
| 07:37:31 | Mouser_X | Perhaps. I know they're working, but that was a day or two ago. |
| 07:37:35 | inteliwasp | btw, is there any way i could help in reducing random locking i experience? |
| 07:37:45 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
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| 07:38:00 | Mouser_X | It has to do with CPU boosting, I *think.* |
| 07:38:12 | Mouser_X | But, I'm not the one to ask about that. I don't use the iPod. |
| 07:38:40 | Mouser_X | I do know there is/was a build available that fixed the issue. Did you check the iPod FAQ? |
| 07:38:48 | inteliwasp | i am really intrested in getting that problem taken care of |
| 07:39:01 | inteliwasp | not in a long time |
| 07:39:36 | Mouser_X | Check the iPodFAQ. |
| 07:39:50 | Mouser_X | I don't know if it's in there, but I think it is... |
| 07:40:25 | inteliwasp | i will in the morning... it's sack time for me.... 0140 in the morning... |
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| 07:41:09 | Mouser_X | Sleep well. |
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| 08:29:16 | alsaf | Hi I was wondering if someone can please answer quick question |
| 08:29:37 | hcs | only if you ask it quickly |
| 08:29:49 | alsaf | ha |
| 08:30:08 | alsaf | I have a h120 and I'm finding it difficult to get a hold of a remote for it |
| 08:30:18 | alsaf | most are second hand and expensive |
| 08:30:38 | alsaf | is it possible to use a remote from another model? |
| 08:31:02 | alsaf | by rewriting rockbox code for it? |
| 08:31:26 | alsaf | I don't know much about embedded programming |
| 08:31:56 | alsaf | is it possible? |
| 08:32:20 | hcs | I don't know. |
| 08:33:14 | alsaf | no probs, thanks for taking the time to answer |
| 08:33:37 | alsaf | I'll pop in after work to see if somebody may know |
| 08:33:39 | alsaf | bye |
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| 08:50:51 | JdGordon | anyone here got an archos recorder? |
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| 09:22:40 | GodEater | Has anyone noticed that the forum title for iriver - Installalation / Removal / Flashing" seems to suggest no support for H10 owners? The subtext only says "H1xx, H3xx" |
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| 09:56:56 | markun | amiconn: I can't download http://www.jens-arnold.net/Rockbox/ata-pp.diff anymore |
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| 10:04:19 | markun | amiconn: sorry, I should have read the logs first :) |
| 10:04:20 | JdGordon | hey all, fs 6557 is ready to go, nvram settngs seem to work fine (no ajbr here), no know bugs.. just need an ok from someone |
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| 10:08:24 | markun | JdGordon: I don't think I'm the person to give you the OK, but great work! |
| 10:08:36 | JdGordon | :) |
| 10:10:06 | LinusN | JdGordon: it sucks!!!! |
| 10:10:13 | LinusN | joking... |
| 10:10:15 | JdGordon | :'( |
| 10:11:45 | markun | no more settings reset.. |
| 10:12:01 | markun | and now you can make a backup by just copying your settings file, right? |
| 10:12:11 | LinusN | ...but instead weird compatibility problems instead |
| 10:12:13 | JdGordon | yes |
| 10:12:28 | markun | LinusN: which ones? |
| 10:12:53 | LinusN | we won't detect incompatible changes to the settings |
| 10:13:09 | JdGordon | between targets? or versions? |
| 10:13:16 | LinusN | versions |
| 10:13:25 | JdGordon | OK, so ill add a version string.. |
| 10:13:26 | LinusN | , let's say we change the range of a setting |
| 10:14:10 | LinusN | we might want to handle it somehow |
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| 10:16:25 | B4gder | oops, restarted browser... :-) I'm not used to cgi-ircing |
| 10:17:50 | JdGordon | unless we add a min version for every setting, imo its not worth the effort adding a version to the .cfg's because a tiny change to some_var would make the whole config non-loadable |
| 10:18:19 | JdGordon | imo we leave it and if changs do break then the commit message explains it |
| 10:19:35 | B4gder | yeah, we have no way to catch that today |
| 10:19:45 | B4gder | so the problem isn't really new |
| 10:19:53 | * | JdGordon wonders how often the options change enough to break the config backwards compatability |
| 10:20:18 | B4gder | does that matter? |
| 10:20:19 | markun | amiconn: I'm not sure what's going on here but I get pretty much the same speeds with your patch as before |
| 10:20:55 | JdGordon | it doesnt... but its probably so rare that it shouldnt matter.. if something really needs to break compatibility then the setting name should change to get around the problem |
| 10:21:08 | markun | C: 6124, WA: 6137, WU: 5814, RA: 6744, RU: 6728 |
| 10:21:53 | LinusN | markun: even when boosted? |
| 10:22:00 | markun | LinusN: this is boosted |
| 10:22:04 | LinusN | i see |
| 10:22:10 | markun | without it's a bit slower |
| 10:22:39 | LinusN | markun: is this nano? |
| 10:22:45 | markun | LinusN: are we maybe not using the right pio mode or something? |
| 10:22:45 | markun | Gigabeat |
| 10:22:50 | LinusN | aha |
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| 10:23:42 | markun | LinusN: and with our original code with DMA transfers I was getting the same speeds |
| 10:24:09 | LinusN | markun: do you use IORDY? |
| 10:24:22 | LinusN | we always try to use the fastest pio mode |
| 10:24:35 | markun | the debug screen says IORDY is disabled |
| 10:24:48 | LinusN | that shouldn't really matter anyway |
| 10:24:59 | markun | LinusN: maybe you can take a look at the code? |
| 10:25:00 | LinusN | i think you have pretty decent speeds |
| 10:25:22 | markun | well, other targets were getting write speeds of 12MB/s right? |
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| 10:25:52 | LinusN | it looks like your speed is independent on the cpu speed, but rather the disk or ata interface |
| 10:26:13 | LinusN | and ultimately the ATA controller settings |
| 10:26:37 | LinusN | markun: that is probably just because your disk write buffer is disabled |
| 10:27:14 | LinusN | which i would imagine is a good thing |
| 10:27:38 | markun | to disable it? |
| 10:28:40 | LinusN | possibly, it depends on how long the disk waits until it finally writes it to the disk |
| 10:29:23 | LinusN | still, you should have a look at the ata controller settings |
| 10:29:31 | LinusN | is that documented? |
| 10:31:46 | markun | no, we didn't really find a ata controller |
| 10:32:05 | markun | you told me it was easy to make one with just some buffers or something |
| 10:32:21 | LinusN | yes |
| 10:32:57 | markun | but then there will not be anything to configure, right? |
| 10:33:02 | LinusN | then i guess you are out of options until you learn more about how it is done on the gigabeat |
| 10:33:23 | LinusN | dust off the multimeter and start tracing :-) |
| 10:33:42 | markun | toffe is Mr Trace |
| 10:36:20 | markun | I'll ask him |
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| 10:46:59 | webguest20 | Hey. In the SVN commit 22 Jan 23:09, file main.tex, there's a typo. it should read Built with Latex, not Buil_d_ |
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| 10:47:20 | DataGhost | webguest20 lucky you can't speak dutch |
| 10:47:42 | DataGhost | d/t errors happen all the freakin time and it's quite annoying :) |
| 10:48:22 | DataGhost | to read that someone made an error again, that is |
| 10:49:56 | bluebrother | hmm. Is there somewhere a _good_ explanation of the d/t issue? From looking at my dictionary I can't see why build should be wrong |
| 10:52:19 | B4gder | a spelling error in a commit message? oh my god we are going down! |
| 10:52:41 | LinusN | Bagder: not in the commit message |
| 10:52:50 | * | B4gder can't read |
| 10:53:05 | LinusN | main.tex says "Build with \LaTeX{} from version \input{version.tex}" |
| 10:53:14 | LinusN | where it should be "built" |
| 10:53:31 | * | B4gder stands in the corner |
| 10:54:42 | B4gder | hey, I read the article in Popular Science today, I found an issue here at my customer's place |
| 10:55:16 | B4gder | man did get manage to sprinkle it with factual errors |
| 10:55:26 | B4gder | hm |
| 10:55:33 | B4gder | I need more coffee |
| 10:55:49 | amiconn | LinusN, JdGordon: I thought that every option has a valid range and a default now |
| 10:56:01 | JdGordon | they do |
| 10:56:08 | LinusN | amiconn: yes they do |
| 10:56:09 | amiconn | Loading a setting should check for in-range, and just use the default otherwise |
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| 10:56:16 | sneakums | sometimes i wonder if a certain breed of tech site tries to drive "look what these idiots wrote!" traffic with deliberate errors |
| 10:56:21 | sneakums | but i reckon i give them too much credit |
| 10:56:48 | JdGordon | amiconn: iirc that happens currently |
| 10:56:51 | DataGhost | weee |
| 10:56:54 | DataGhost | that was the mailman |
| 10:57:03 | DataGhost | now just to unpack and i'll have a macpod in notime :D |
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| 10:57:23 | JdGordon | anyway im off for a while |
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| 10:59:40 | LinusN | bluebrother: http://www.english.wayne.edu/writing/Irregular%20Verbs-c.pdf |
| 10:59:55 | amiconn | JdGone: Then I can't see why there should be a settings compatibility problem.. |
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| 11:03:05 | foolshe | @Bagder or anyone else who might know: I have technical question according to the specs on http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/button_interface.txt the sansa e200 scroll wheel has 4 pins , I would like to know if maybe the the wheel can be replaced with a 4bit bidirectional shift register, so that the wheel can replaced with scroll up/down buttons. I want to design a new case kinda like a gameboy. mine suffered ?damage? |
| 11:03:05 | foolshe | foolsh.home.insightbb.com/e200.jpg">http://foolsh.home.insightbb.com/e200.jpg |
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| 11:03:43 | amiconn | markun: Seems the ata controller is even slower than the unoptimised transfer at the cpu side of things, hence no gain |
| 11:04:06 | amiconn | Anyone with a nano around? |
| 11:04:24 | B4gder | foolshe: I'm not hw-fluent enough to tell |
| 11:06:04 | foolshe | Bagder: ok thanks I'll have to do some tinkering anyone have a e200 case they would like to part with? lol |
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| 11:15:54 | webguest20 | Also, the copyright statements on the first page of the manual are somewhat contradictive, specially the statement for 2007. |
| 11:18:34 | LinusN | yes, why 2 copyright statements? |
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| 11:23:24 | webguest20 | LinusN: just for the case :-) |
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| 11:33:15 | preglow | amiconn: myeah |
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| 11:35:56 | linuxstb | preglow: amiconn is looking for someone to test his arm ata transfer functions on a Nano. |
| 11:36:33 | preglow | rly |
| 11:36:47 | linuxstb | Are you willing and able? |
| 11:36:51 | preglow | sure, sure |
| 11:36:58 | linuxstb | Patch is here - http://www.jens-arnold.net/Rockbox/ata-arm.diff |
| 11:37:11 | preglow | he commited a test plug yesterday too, i see |
| 11:37:21 | linuxstb | Can you run the test_disk plugin (it's in SVN but you have to add it to SOURCES) before and after applying that diff? |
| 11:37:40 | preglow | aye |
| 11:37:44 | linuxstb | There's a speed-test option, plus a reliablity test. The reliability test requires 300MB of free space. |
| 11:37:52 | preglow | should have that |
| 11:38:06 | preglow | but we'll see |
| 11:38:23 | linuxstb | You'll need to boost manually to test boosted and unboosted speeds. |
| 11:38:41 | linuxstb | (the plugin itself doesn't boost) |
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| 11:41:02 | preglow | svn diff really is nice and fast |
| 11:41:06 | preglow | doesn't it talk to the server? |
| 11:41:13 | linuxstb | No, I don't think so. |
| 11:41:25 | linuxstb | Hence the svn checkout requiring double the disk space. |
| 11:41:29 | preglow | ? |
| 11:41:33 | preglow | really? i didn't notice that |
| 11:41:39 | amiconn | preglow: svn diff works locally. This is possible because an svn working copy conatins everything twice |
| 11:41:50 | linuxstb | Yes, the .svn folders contain the server versions of the files. |
| 11:41:56 | preglow | haha |
| 11:42:01 | preglow | don't know what i think about that, really |
| 11:42:22 | linuxstb | I didn't like the idea at first, but disk space is cheap... |
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| 11:43:07 | linuxstb | "svn status" is also much better/faster than the cvs equivalent. |
| 11:43:08 | preglow | actually, it is |
| 11:43:35 | markun | but it's a bit anoying with grep |
| 11:44:26 | markun | to have everything twice |
| 11:45:12 | webguest20 | markun: aren't .svn folders hidden |
| 11:45:12 | webguest20 | ? |
| 11:45:15 | preglow | the fashion in which the free space is arranged on the drive/flash isn't critical, no? |
| 11:45:44 | markun | webguest20: yes, but grep -R enters them as well |
| 11:46:04 | amiconn | preglow: No it isn't. The test plugin uses plain file operations |
| 11:47:16 | preglow | aaaargh |
| 11:47:28 | preglow | the bloody "empty battery" problem the nano has is really bloody annoying |
| 11:47:37 | preglow | oh, the day we do native usb |
| 11:47:43 | preglow | it shall be sweet |
| 11:48:46 | webguest20 | markun: what swith should I use to avoid that? I haven't used grep with SVN yet. I think there is −−exclude option. |
| 11:49:15 | amiconn | preglow: What empty battery problem? |
| 11:49:16 | markun | webguest20: was also looking for that, don't know exactly |
| 11:49:43 | preglow | amiconn: when you unplug a nano from usb, it sometimes displays the battery icon and requires a hard reset, even though the battery can be full |
| 11:50:11 | norbusan | −−exclude=PATTERN |
| 11:50:11 | norbusan | Recurse in directories skip file matching PATTERN. |
| 11:50:21 | norbusan | (from man grep) |
| 11:50:47 | linuxstb | preglow: But it's an Apple bug? |
| 11:50:48 | webguest20 | So we have to use grep -r −−exclude \.svn ? |
| 11:51:04 | preglow | linuxstb: can't see how we can influence disk mode |
| 11:51:11 | preglow | unboosted create: 783 kb/s, unboosted write a: 1590 kb/s, unboosted write u: 1402 kb/s, unboosted read a: 1965 kb/s, unboosted read u: 1612 kb/s |
| 11:51:23 | norbusan | probably: −−exclude '\.svn' |
| 11:51:35 | norbusan | otherwise the shell kills the \ |
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| 11:51:50 | linuxstb | preglow: If you're interested, here are the speeds from my Photo and Video - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/speed.txt |
| 11:52:07 | webguest20 | norbusan: ok, I'll try it out later |
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| 11:52:52 | preglow | doesn't exactly look like the nano excels in transfer speeds |
| 11:52:54 | preglow | i wonder why |
| 11:52:57 | preglow | it's flash... |
| 11:53:14 | amiconn | Yes, flash |
| 11:53:47 | pondlife | Anyone object to the USB charging option for the H300 patch? It's the first patch on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4770... |
| 11:53:51 | amiconn | What I want to know is whether the patch doesn't cause transfer problems, and doesn't make things slower |
| 11:54:15 | preglow | boosted create: 727 k/s, boosted write a: 2030 kb/s, boosted write u: 1975 kn/s, boosted read a: 4830 kb/s, boosted read u: 4008 kb/s |
| 11:54:22 | preglow | what does the create do? |
| 11:54:49 | amiconn | create is create file, as opposed to writing to an exisitng file |
| 11:55:07 | amiconn | It's slower than writing because the fat driver needs to extend the cluster chain |
| 11:55:08 | norbusan | pondlife: I have the patch in my build since quite some time and didn't see any problems/drawbacks till now. |
| 11:56:01 | preglow | amiconn: but really, should flash reading be this slow? |
| 11:56:18 | amiconn | Hey, it's faster than my mini |
| 11:56:25 | preglow | really now |
| 11:56:34 | amiconn | yes |
| 11:56:34 | preglow | i still would have expected greater speeds at reading than from a hd |
| 11:56:39 | LinusN | pondlife: go ahead |
| 11:56:50 | preglow | but i don't know too much about flash, when i think about it |
| 11:56:57 | amiconn | preglow: On the hdd pp targets, writing is faster than reading for some reason |
| 11:57:01 | pondlife | OK, will do some more checking - other builds |
| 11:57:16 | preglow | amiconn: everything is weird in the ipods |
| 11:57:20 | preglow | it's the apple way |
| 11:57:21 | amiconn | (both with my patch and without it) |
| 11:57:45 | amiconn | Well, it's not that surprising |
| 11:57:45 | pondlife | Do any other targets have a setting whether to draw USB power or not? |
| 11:58:04 | preglow | just doing a stress test with unpatched fw for completeness' sake |
| 11:58:06 | LinusN | i assume the x5 has it, but i haven't investigated closer |
| 11:58:07 | preglow | brb in the meanwhile |
| 11:58:20 | pondlife | OK, just surprised there wasn't already a setting |
| 11:58:29 | amiconn | pondlife, LinusN: I'd think all the newer ipods have it too |
| 11:58:38 | amiconn | They're charging via the pcf50605 |
| 11:58:44 | LinusN | like the x5 |
| 11:58:54 | pondlife | OK, so does this patch need checking on an iPod too? |
| 11:59:16 | amiconn | pondlife: Btw, isn't it just low current (100mA) vs. high current (500mA)? |
| 11:59:20 | pondlife | Yes |
| 11:59:26 | pondlife | I think so |
| 11:59:50 | linuxstb | LinusN: The tracking status of the av320 has been "UPK Malmö, Försändelsen har exporterats" since yesterday morning - does that mean it's left Sweden? |
| 11:59:59 | pondlife | But I'm not familiar with any of the low-level stuff, nor have I time to :( |
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| 12:00:13 | LinusN | linuxstb: guess so |
| 12:00:18 | pondlife | I can say that as a user I find this useful and it seems to help. |
| 12:00:39 | pondlife | And it's obviously frustrating Massa a bit .. |
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| 12:07:57 | preglow | amiconn: is the stress test unexitable? :) |
| 12:08:05 | amiconn | yes |
| 12:08:56 | amiconn | But it should take more than ~5 minutes |
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| 12:09:02 | preglow | does |
| 12:09:59 | preglow | woah |
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| 12:10:22 | preglow | these numbers can't be bloody right |
| 12:10:28 | amiconn | ? |
| 12:10:39 | preglow | unboosted write a: 5070kb/s ... |
| 12:10:42 | preglow | optimised |
| 12:10:50 | preglow | not bad |
| 12:10:51 | amiconn | Meh, I meant it _shouldn't_ take more than ~5 minutes |
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| 12:12:29 | habana | hi |
| 12:12:53 | habana | is help needed to test testdisk on sansa ? |
| 12:14:15 | linuxstb | The optimisations amiconn has written don't apply to the Sansa. But it could be useful to run it anyway. |
| 12:14:29 | linuxstb | I mean run test_disk anyway. |
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| 12:15:40 | preglow | how does one raise the cpu freq relably in the boost screen on ipods? |
| 12:15:58 | linuxstb | Rotate the wheel anticlockwise, then press left. |
| 12:16:07 | habana | linuxstb:dont have time to setup / install dev tools on this, is there a compiled version aviable ? |
| 12:16:24 | linuxstb | habana: No. |
| 12:16:46 | habana | so ill see that tonigh on my linux box |
| 12:17:57 | preglow | what, now i can't exit the speed test either |
| 12:18:54 | amiconn | ? |
| 12:19:52 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/nano-test_disk.txt |
| 12:19:54 | preglow | weird numbers... |
| 12:20:54 | preglow | i wonder why write is suddenly so incredibly much faster for optimised |
| 12:23:18 | GodEater | cos amiconn is a genius ? ;) |
| 12:23:35 | amiconn | preglow: Stress test runs with no error? |
| 12:23:39 | preglow | amiconn: running |
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| 12:25:25 | amiconn | wow |
| 12:25:39 | amiconn | preglow: I wonder why the difference between create and write is so big |
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| 12:27:45 | linuxstb | amiconn: Did you see my results when moving the copy_read/write functions out of IRAM? (about 1am CET this morning). |
| 12:28:09 | preglow | is there any point in keeping them in iram, really? |
| 12:28:27 | linuxstb | Yes - see my results :) |
| 12:28:42 | preglow | amiconn: test passed |
| 12:28:53 | linuxstb | I was surprised it made that much difference. |
| 12:29:01 | preglow | but why the hell did write get such a big boost compared to reading? |
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| 12:29:27 | linuxstb | It's an ipod... |
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| 12:31:23 | preglow | haha |
| 12:31:53 | preglow | and reading speeds are MUCH greater than the writing speeds when boosted for unoptimised, but not so when unboosted |
| 12:31:56 | preglow | docs, docs, docs |
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| 12:52:51 | amiconn | preglow: cool. |
| 12:52:57 | * | amiconn will commit tonight then |
| 12:53:09 | amiconn | (with PP5002 support disabled :/ ) |
| 12:53:28 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes I did |
| 12:55:53 | amiconn | preglow: Most of the speedup comes from using ldmia (writing) stmia (reading) for the memory accesses |
| 12:56:14 | DataGhost | wee... booting macos |
| 12:56:15 | DataGhost | :P |
| 12:56:18 | amiconn | The ata port needs to be accessed with single strh / ldrh |
| 12:56:47 | amiconn | ...and ldrh is slower than strh (because reading can't be buffered) |
| 12:58:09 | markun | amiconn: do you think we should enable write buffering on the Gigabeat for the ATA registers? |
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| 13:01:13 | pondlife | For USB charging, my H340 won't draw more than 100mA. Should it be possible to select 500mA, or is this not controllable via software? |
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| 13:15:17 | pondlife | amiconn: Do you know if the H300 should be capable of charging via USB and drawing 500mA? |
| 13:20:19 | LinusN | i believe it should |
| 13:20:32 | pondlife | Thanks Linus |
| 13:21:07 | preglow | amiconn: reading can't be buffered? why not? |
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| 13:30:38 | DataGhost | god. I really hate macOS |
| 13:30:43 | DataGhost | it won't see my iPod through vmware |
| 13:30:51 | DataGhost | and it just destroyed the partition with my iPod backup on it |
| 13:31:57 | DataGhost | "lets format a partition we're instructed to not to touch!" |
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| 13:34:11 | DataGhost | heh @ 5.5G thread GodEater |
| 13:34:22 | DataGhost | people always seem to be able to twist things they've read in ways that make them feel better |
| 13:35:38 | amiconn | preglow: How should the cpu anticipate what to read next? |
| 13:35:50 | * | GodEater finishes his third edit of the post to correct his horrific spelling errors. |
| 13:35:53 | amiconn | The arm9 core does shadow reads somewhat |
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| 13:37:59 | amiconn | (similar to how the sh1 does it, by marking the destination register busy 1 cycle after the instruction, so an instruction accessing the destination register of the preceding load causes a pipeline stall) |
| 13:38:15 | * | GodEater has been through fat.c and changed all buffer sizes to MAX_SECTOR_SIZE, and all ata_read/write commands to use ata_log_sectors_per_phys_sector where they were previously using a hardcoded 1. |
| 13:38:48 | DataGhost | did it work? :P |
| 13:39:02 | GodEater | but I'm now stumped with how to : a) make sure the starting sector is always even, b) make sure multi-sector ata_read/writes always use an even number of sectors |
| 13:39:13 | GodEater | DG: it compiled - that's not the same thing though :) |
| 13:39:19 | DataGhost | hehe |
| 13:39:52 | GodEater | and I'm thinking we need some layer of abstraction above the fat drive to handle unaligned reads/writes |
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| 13:40:14 | GodEater | unless we REALLY want to pull the stuffing out of fat.c as it stands and completely re-write it |
| 13:40:19 | DataGhost | I was thinking about trying that, too |
| 13:40:41 | DataGhost | the main reason that ext3 reads already work is probably that the ext3 system uses 2048b block reads |
| 13:40:42 | GodEater | I suspect that abstracting will be simpler from a code point of view - but terrible from a performance point of view |
| 13:40:47 | DataGhost | or 1024 |
| 13:40:55 | GodEater | I suspect you're right |
| 13:40:57 | DataGhost | heh indeed |
| 13:41:01 | preglow | amiconn: most reading happens in a linear fashion, no? |
| 13:41:03 | DataGhost | there's been some discussion about that in here, too |
| 13:41:08 | DataGhost | in the loader it doesn't really matter |
| 13:41:13 | DataGhost | performance didn't really get affected anyway |
| 13:41:24 | DataGhost | since the blocks were cached AND read in sequential order (most of the time) |
| 13:41:39 | DataGhost | but random read performance will be horrible I guess |
| 13:41:48 | GodEater | that's presumably only true on a non-fragmented FS |
| 13:42:02 | DataGhost | oh yes heh.. fat32 can fragment |
| 13:42:22 | GodEater | however, you'd only get fragementation if you do a lot of deleting stuff |
| 13:42:26 | GodEater | and then writing new stuff |
| 13:42:38 | GodEater | my iPod only gets new stuff written to it |
| 13:42:46 | GodEater | so it shouldn't be too fragged at all |
| 13:42:46 | DataGhost | well |
| 13:42:56 | DataGhost | still it would need to be heavily fragmented to notice |
| 13:43:04 | DataGhost | it takes about 5 seconds to load now |
| 13:43:04 | GodEater | yeah |
| 13:43:16 | GodEater | have you tidied up Loader2 yet? |
| 13:43:22 | GodEater | removed all those debugging strings ? |
| 13:43:26 | DataGhost | to get to 10 you'd need 5000 fragments in a 1,6MB file I think |
| 13:43:29 | DataGhost | no not yet |
| 13:43:35 | DataGhost | I want to make sure it works for a macpod, too |
| 13:43:40 | DataGhost | but OSX is being a bitch |
| 13:43:42 | amiconn | preglow: Yes, and? |
| 13:43:45 | DataGhost | and/or vmware |
| 13:43:47 | amiconn | Ata reads can't be cached |
| 13:44:02 | DataGhost | I'm going to try to boot my entire machine in OSX now, and while doing that it trashed my iPod's backup |
| 13:44:11 | DataGhost | I think |
| 13:44:40 | DataGhost | it spent an awfully long time 'creating the partition map' and after that my reiserfs partition was 'untitled' and had 120GB (of 126) free |
| 13:45:53 | GodEater | assuming there's an HFS+ driver for linux (which there must be, or iPL wouldn't work on macpods) - couldn't you have formatted the partition as HFS+ from Linux ? |
| 13:46:14 | LinusN | i have already ditched the idea of hiding the alignment in the ata driver |
| 13:46:20 | LinusN | (in rockbox) |
| 13:46:43 | DataGhost | well GodEater I'm not entirely sure if that'd give me a full macpod |
| 13:46:51 | DataGhost | it's got a different partition table too |
| 13:46:55 | DataGhost | which is actually what i need to test |
| 13:47:12 | GodEater | ah |
| 13:47:16 | GodEater | you make a good point |
| 13:47:39 | GodEater | hmm - my tummy is telling me it's lunch time. |
| 13:47:40 | DataGhost | why LinusN? performance? |
| 13:47:49 | LinusN | performance and complexity |
| 13:48:01 | DataGhost | Loading Darwin/x86 |
| 13:48:04 | DataGhost | you've got to be kidding me |
| 13:48:05 | DataGhost | lol |
| 13:48:13 | DataGhost | an apple logo! fullscreen! on my Thinkpad! :P |
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| 13:48:33 | GodEater | so what's the plan then Linus ? |
| 13:48:36 | DataGhost | well it seems to be working just fine |
| 13:48:46 | LinusN | the plan is to keep on working on the fat driver |
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| 13:55:52 | webguest20 | Withe last efforts by Slasheri reg. putting the firmware into the ROM on iriver 1xx: what would be the best option that would still allow to use the original FW (WMA playback) and would minimize the RB startup time (RB is used 99% of the time; dircache is used; database is not used)? |
| 13:56:35 | n1s | webguest20: having rockbox in flash means no more OF |
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| 14:04:47 | webguest20 | n1s: but I've read something about placing only the bootloader to flash. Or some 'shortened' version of RB. I don't remember exactly. |
| 14:06:02 | n1s | webguest20: Yep bootloader in flash is what you need if you want dual boot, that's the regular way to install and is described in the manual (the "shortened" version is BootBox and is only available for archos) |
| 14:11:45 | webguest20 | n1s: aha! So if I already have RB installed I have the best available option? |
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| 14:12:32 | webguest20 | But I recently read that Slashery somehow managed to put everything in flash, even the RB itself. |
| 14:13:32 | webguest20 | And the FW was there as well. Or does my memory do a bad service? |
| 14:13:41 | amiconn | Yes you can flash rockbox, in two flavours: Either it's loaded from flash, or executed directly from rom |
| 14:13:57 | amiconn | Both methods mean that the OF is no longer there |
| 14:14:04 | amiconn | It simply doesn't fit |
| 14:14:25 | linuxstb | Do we know if the OF runs from flash or copies itself to RAM? |
| 14:14:42 | LinusN | it copies itself to ram |
| 14:14:56 | linuxstb | So in theory rolo'ing the OF would work? |
| 14:15:27 | LinusN | if you patch the startup code, yes |
| 14:15:43 | preglow | hmm |
| 14:15:55 | preglow | slasheri said the overhead of running from flash wasn't that great, didn't he? |
| 14:16:13 | linuxstb | I'm not sure anyone is motivated enough to do that though... Especially on the H1x0. |
| 14:16:27 | preglow | who the hell would want iriverfw? |
| 14:16:30 | preglow | you'd have to be mad |
| 14:16:40 | preglow | mad, insane and completely bonkers |
| 14:16:49 | preglow | also crazy |
| 14:16:51 | | Nick JdGone is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@c220-237-57-32.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 14:16:52 | n1s | and listen to wma's |
| 14:17:02 | preglow | well, that does factor into the above |
| 14:17:02 | JdGordon | hey all |
| 14:17:06 | JdGordon | so whats the verdict? commit? |
| 14:17:10 | n1s | JdGordon: no! |
| 14:17:23 | n1s | found another bug, look in the tracke |
| 14:17:24 | n1s | r |
| 14:17:28 | JdGordon | checking now |
| 14:18:33 | amiconn | preglow: There's one reason for running of on h1x0: wma |
| 14:18:58 | n1s | preglow: it does indeed ;-P |
| 14:19:48 | LinusN | n1s: i fixed the resume bug in the tracker |
| 14:19:58 | n1s | nice |
| 14:20:11 | JdGordon | LinusN: ok, I just looked at your fix.. wouldnt it be better to change the resume variable to a bool instead? |
| 14:20:32 | LinusN | JdGordon: and what did i do? |
| 14:20:49 | JdGordon | you changed the settings to read it as an int |
| 14:21:00 | LinusN | no i did not |
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| 14:22:02 | JdGordon | you gave it the F_T_INT flag which means its an int (which is correct..) but if the var is changed to a bool in global_settings its 3 les bytes usage and then it uses the correct macro |
| 14:22:14 | LinusN | let me see |
| 14:22:21 | JdGordon | either works, but as it is really a yes/no setting it should probably be a bool |
| 14:22:48 | LinusN | JdGordon: the bug that i fixed was that you had it set to an int. i fixed it by changing it to a bool |
| 14:22:54 | JdGordon | hmm... hang on... it is a bool |
| 14:23:13 | pixelma | JdGordon: I think I told you something wrong - your last version I tried still seems to save the language as .lang (wasn't visible to me when I tried because the last config.cfg contained this spelling) - I'm not sure about it now, maybe someone else could try |
| 14:23:16 | JdGordon | oh sorry, my bad, I had the files backwards in diff |
| 14:23:20 | JdGordon | your correct |
| 14:23:25 | LinusN | :_) |
| 14:23:27 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 14:24:24 | LinusN | JdGordon: now it seems to work just fine on my ipod |
| 14:24:55 | JdGordon | pixelma: ive triple checked that setting... its .lng so it should work |
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| 14:25:48 | n1s | JdGordon: I can confirm it's saved as .lng in my config.cfg |
| 14:26:26 | pixelma | apologies :) |
| 14:26:31 | JdGordon | amiconn: re loading dud values from the .cfg... right not the max/min values are not stored so it doesnt check that (this will com later), but trying to load a dud text value will leave the setting untouched |
| 14:27:06 | JdGordon | I renamed that YESNO_SETTING macro to OFFON_SETTING to properly reflect the values |
| 14:27:51 | JdGordon | pixelma: once this is in... the fun of checkeing every variable starts again :'( |
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| 14:30:04 | preglow | didn't someone make a patch of the wma decoder? |
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| 14:30:19 | preglow | the current tree in a tarball is a bit annoying |
| 14:30:44 | * | preglow reads the flyspray page.. |
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| 14:31:06 | JdGordon | ok, last chance... commiting... |
| 14:31:25 | preglow | commiting what? :> |
| 14:31:28 | * | LinusN takes cover |
| 14:31:37 | n1s | well it's the only way to get proper testing ;-) |
| 14:31:42 | markun | preglow: settings stuff.. |
| 14:31:46 | preglow | w000t |
| 14:31:57 | * | preglow does the huge changes ahoy manouver |
| 14:32:16 | preglow | maneuver... |
| 14:32:20 | LinusN | file-based settings gives me one less problem with the ipod 80gb |
| 14:32:35 | preglow | \o/ |
| 14:33:41 | amiconn | LinusN: How so? |
| 14:34:17 | LinusN | because i won't need to port the raw sector hack for the settings |
| 14:34:48 | LinusN | not that it would have been difficult or anything |
| 14:34:52 | * | JdGordon just doing some test compiles to make sure nothing fails :p |
| 14:36:11 | amiconn | LinusN: The config sector should be the least problem... |
| 14:36:37 | LinusN | hence my comment about it not being difficult |
| 14:37:13 | * | JdGordon is glad he did the test compile :'( somethng broke |
| 14:37:45 | JdGordon | ah, bloody patch appended the new file onto itself |
| 14:39:25 | * | n1s wonders how many patches in the tracker will be broken by this :-) |
| 14:39:37 | JdGordon | not that many i would think |
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| 14:40:16 | GodEater | LinusN: have you started making changes to fat.c yet? Or are you still planning your method of attack ? |
| 14:40:48 | LinusN | i'm learning the code and planning |
| 14:41:06 | LinusN | the tricky part is the direntry caching |
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| 14:41:19 | GodEater | yes - I remember you saying |
| 14:42:08 | JdGordon | and now we wait 7min .... |
| 14:42:30 | LinusN | ...and BOOM! |
| 14:42:45 | JdGordon | we'll see :D |
| 14:42:49 | * | JdGordon hopes not |
| 14:43:40 | JdGordon | n1s: you didnt beat me to the MajorChanges page did you? :'( |
| 14:44:11 | | Nick perl|wtf is now known as perldiver (n=say@cpe-66-65-88-127.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 14:44:19 | n1s | 'course I did :-P |
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| 14:45:41 | XavierGr | hmm can I ask what is this new save setting method? |
| 14:45:56 | JdGordon | no more config block :) |
| 14:46:05 | XavierGr | and what is good about that? :P |
| 14:46:12 | preglow | ack |
| 14:46:14 | XavierGr | ^better |
| 14:46:17 | B4gder | finally we can run Rockbox in superfloppy mode! ;-) |
| 14:46:32 | preglow | can't we do some rockbox coding style rule on whitespace after commas, please |
| 14:46:41 | B4gder | I agree |
| 14:46:42 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 14:47:04 | preglow | code that doesn't space after commas (or = and other stuff) is pretty hard to read for me |
| 14:47:22 | XavierGr | wow the new FS[#] feature is cool! |
| 14:47:24 | preglow | and syntax highlighting doesn't really help that much |
| 14:47:38 | preglow | XavierGr: indeed |
| 14:47:41 | JdGordon | preglow: was that re my patch? or just in general? |
| 14:47:47 | preglow | JdGordon: re your patch and in general |
| 14:49:10 | * | amiconn agrees with preglow |
| 14:49:35 | preglow | brace placements and stuff like that i don't really care too much about, but whitespace i think is pretty important |
| 14:50:06 | amiconn | Imho it's better to have some extra whitespace instead of too little |
| 14:50:12 | LinusN | i don't think we want the rockbox style guide to be too detailed |
| 14:50:14 | preglow | indeed |
| 14:50:17 | preglow | LinusN: not too detailed, no |
| 14:50:28 | preglow | but "use whitespace" isn't really on a too detailed level, imho |
| 14:50:34 | LinusN | but i agree on the whitespace |
| 14:51:21 | JdGordon | I agree, but if its a short line I dont normally worry about it because it usually is still very readable |
| 14:51:45 | * | JdGordon being impatient... but... is the builds stalled? |
| 14:51:53 | B4gder | consistancy |
| 14:52:03 | preglow | JdGordon: you probably broke ccache a bit |
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| 14:52:09 | B4gder | if code around it does, so should you |
| 14:52:23 | webguest45 | the mods suck on rockbox, they whine too much :s |
| 14:52:39 | webguest45 | too much mods |
| 14:52:45 | XavierGr | ? |
| 14:52:45 | preglow | webguest45: you suck too much |
| 14:52:52 | XavierGr | indeed |
| 14:52:58 | webguest45 | no i'm right |
| 14:53:07 | webguest45 | they delete useful info |
| 14:53:11 | JdGordon | greeen row :D |
| 14:53:14 | preglow | JdGordon: congrats! |
| 14:53:25 | | Part norbusan |
| 14:53:56 | preglow | B4gder: i generally think people are a bit lax on the consistancy thing |
| 14:54:26 | preglow | haven't checked too carefully, but my impression is people don't care too much about it |
| 14:54:34 | B4gder | webguest: we delete crap |
| 14:54:56 | webguest45 | well i can clearly tell that my info wasn't crap :s |
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| 14:55:11 | B4gder | if it was what I deleted, then it was |
| 14:55:37 | webguest45 | wishful thinking |
| 14:55:44 | webguest45 | tell me why |
| 14:55:45 | B4gder | ? |
| 14:56:03 | B4gder | as you should understand, I don't know what you're talking about |
| 14:56:28 | webguest45 | the mp3 on the nano 2G which breaks something in the firmware |
| 14:56:28 | pixelma | B4gder: I guess the forum post about the magic mp3... |
| 14:56:32 | pixelma | JdGordon: sorry... this is confusing - I tried with the latest patch (compiled half an hour ago) and still get a .lang when I save the config - and loading config-files that contain .lng won't work language-wise |
| 14:56:39 | webguest45 | might be a way to get into it |
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| 14:56:50 | JdGordon | would anyone mind if an option is added, that if a setting name is prepended with ~ it will always store that value to the disk? saves stuff like accidental full volume and such |
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| 14:57:03 | B4gder | well, you being nasty and rude certainly helps you |
| 14:57:21 | B4gder | oh yes, that'll make everything better |
| 14:57:25 | JdGordon | pixelma: :'( your 100% sure? |
| 14:57:26 | LinusN | JdGordon: i think it's a good idea |
| 14:57:31 | JdGordon | great |
| 14:57:33 | markun | webguest45: try again under a different nick and ask in a nicer way :) |
| 14:57:48 | webguest45 | it has nothing to do with the info which has been deleted before i joined |
| 14:58:03 | B4gder | talking about how a mp3 sounds different in the ipod firmware is pretty far from rockbox dev on the target, as I see it |
| 14:58:31 | webguest45 | you live in europe? |
| 14:59:28 | B4gder | what does that have to do with anything? |
| 14:59:41 | webguest45 | i assume you don't |
| 14:59:51 | B4gder | no, I live on the moon |
| 15:00 |
| 15:00:13 | * | preglow lives on a rocket |
| 15:00:21 | webguest45 | you should listen to an ipod with volume limitation as it's a law in europe |
| 15:00:34 | B4gder | and how is THAT rockbox related? |
| 15:00:37 | webguest45 | the difference is clear, and the limitation is firmware based |
| 15:00:54 | GodEater | it's still nothing to do with rockbox development on the Nano 2g. |
| 15:01:03 | daurnimator | is there any portable device that accepts wavpack hybrid files? |
| 15:01:04 | webguest45 | access to the firmware is what you looking for |
| 15:01:06 | B4gder | so there are different firmwares |
| 15:01:12 | webguest45 | no wonder it's still not found :s |
| 15:01:13 | markun | B4gder: they think that the mp3 somehow unlocks a feature in the firmware |
| 15:01:24 | JdGordon | sorry pixelma. I just checked on the sim... bulgarian.lng saved and loaded correctly |
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| 15:02:10 | preglow | markun: and how does that help us? |
| 15:02:22 | pixelma | JdGordon: wow... seems I flashed the wrong version... that's embarrassing - I'm really really sorry |
| 15:02:39 | markun | preglow: ask webguest45 |
| 15:02:41 | JdGordon | haha, thats ok... |
| 15:02:57 | preglow | webguest45: how does that help us |
| 15:02:58 | preglow | ? |
| 15:03:09 | webguest45 | finding a port |
| 15:03:38 | preglow | ok, we've got an mp3 we know disables some feature, and the only thing we can inspect to investigate it, is the mp3 |
| 15:03:41 | preglow | not very helpful |
| 15:03:48 | daurnimator | JdGordon: can i have a go at your rockbox'd player(s)? |
| 15:03:54 | preglow | and, if we did find out what in the mp3 made something glitch in the firmware, how does that help us? |
| 15:04:04 | JdGordon | daurnimator: you want my precious h300? :'( |
| 15:04:08 | webguest45 | if the mp3 accesses the firmware |
| 15:04:11 | webguest45 | we also can |
| 15:04:14 | preglow | an mp3 can't access the firmware |
| 15:04:18 | * | amiconn wonders why people care so much about volume limitation in mp3 players |
| 15:04:20 | daurnimator | JdGordon: you can hold my gmini ransom for a while ;) |
| 15:04:41 | webguest45 | it's not about the limitation :s it's about the firmware |
| 15:04:42 | preglow | amiconn: depends on the earphones, if you ask me, some are notoriusly hard to drive |
| 15:04:45 | JdGordon | hehe, id love to play, but i want to get the next part of the settings rework done, so i need it |
| 15:04:54 | DataGhost | I don't know what that mp3 does, but all it CAN do is 'exploit' a BUG in the apple firmware webguest45 |
| 15:04:56 | preglow | webguest45: i'm starting to suspect you really don't have a clue how stuff like this is done |
| 15:04:57 | GodEater | amiconn: I guess they must be deaf. I don't want my iPod any louder - it'd make my ears bleed. |
| 15:04:59 | JdGordon | daurnimator: you should try to port it |
| 15:05:04 | DataGhost | and I guess you'd have to search through 3 million bytes of 'code' to find it |
| 15:05:07 | amiconn | Sure it's not nice to limit the hw capabilities by firmware, but then all players I checked so far are able to create dafening volume levels with earphones |
| 15:05:14 | DataGhost | which is a pretty hard task, I believe |
| 15:05:17 | daurnimator | JdGordon: i can't be bothered :P |
| 15:05:21 | * | perldiver wonders why people think mp3s with ridiculous gain can find "ports" |
| 15:05:41 | webguest45 | you guys must be braindead |
| 15:05:43 | preglow | webguest45: and as a rule, you should listen to people with a clue when you yourself have no clue |
| 15:05:45 | DataGhost | perldiver it gives them something to believe in |
| 15:05:46 | B4gder | haahha |
| 15:05:50 | webguest45 | i analysed the mp3 |
| 15:05:51 | preglow | webguest45: then explain how it would work |
| 15:05:52 | GodEater | besides, the volume limitation in OF is adjustable |
| 15:05:55 | B4gder | darned it caught us |
| 15:05:55 | DataGhost | webguest45 'us guys' actually know how to code |
| 15:05:57 | preglow | webguest45: also, explain how it would help us |
| 15:06:02 | webguest45 | it has the same gain as all other |
| 15:06:26 | webguest45 | dadaghost: you mght know how to code, but your logic is in your ass |
| 15:06:29 | preglow | i'm open for a full explanation on how this would help us |
| 15:06:34 | preglow | webguest45: please explain |
| 15:06:40 | JdGordon | daurnimator: .... i would think porting to a new target would be more fun than just hacking on an old target |
| 15:06:42 | DataGhost | what's the artist? maybe the music sucks so much the firmware decides to suicide :) |
| 15:06:42 | markun | webguest45: just prove the rockbox devs wrong by finding 'the port' and all will be good again |
| 15:06:42 | B4gder | and this guys is nice and gentle too |
| 15:06:43 | LinusN | i have not followed the nano 2g discussion, but isn't the main hurdle that we have no documentation about the chipset? |
| 15:06:54 | preglow | LinusN: correct |
| 15:06:57 | webguest45 | i don't have time for this, i've posted the mp3, you deleted it, you can have it |
| 15:06:58 | webguest45 | jesus |
| 15:06:59 | webguest45 | bye |
| 15:06:59 | preglow | LinusN: also, everything is encrypted |
| 15:07:03 | preglow | webguest45: bye |
| 15:07:03 | B4gder | linusn: nah, the main one is the encryption |
| 15:07:08 | | Quit webguest45 ("CGI:IRC") |
| 15:07:12 | preglow | asshat |
| 15:07:25 | DataGhost | whoa, average clue just went through the roof |
| 15:07:26 | GodEater | can we have an idiot of the month award ? |
| 15:07:26 | LinusN | i think he had a point |
| 15:07:33 | perldiver | what was the name of the mp3? panic at the disco.mp3 ? |
| 15:07:39 | preglow | LinusN: oh? |
| 15:07:39 | daurnimator | JdGordon: i like designing interfaces and UI more than anything else - i haven't had that much joy with hardware hacking beyond the hands-on scale |
| 15:07:45 | preglow | then like i said, i'd like it explained |
| 15:08:00 | B4gder | his point was that he could work on some apple-firmware flaw/effect thing with that mp3 |
| 15:08:07 | LinusN | i mean, other platforms have been accessed using buffer overflow exploits |
| 15:08:12 | daurnimator | anyway, i get my zaurus next week or so |
| 15:08:19 | daurnimator | i'll play with that for a couple of months |
| 15:08:21 | JdGordon | zaurus? |
| 15:08:27 | GodEater | LinusN: his forum post stated this didn't even work 100% of the time |
| 15:08:37 | GodEater | if it worked at all and wasn't his imagination |
| 15:08:41 | DataGhost | whoa you've got to be kidding me |
| 15:08:43 | markun | JdGordon: a sub-notebook with linux |
| 15:08:44 | daurnimator | pda thats more of a mini-laptop |
| 15:08:44 | * | DataGhost pets reiserfsck |
| 15:08:50 | JdGordon | daurnimator: oohhh... nie |
| 15:08:51 | DataGhost | I think reiserfsck just found my backup :D |
| 15:08:52 | JdGordon | nice |
| 15:08:55 | preglow | LinusN: sure, but this didn't exactly sound like that |
| 15:09:18 | B4gder | indeed it didn't |
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| 15:09:19 | LinusN | no it didn't, but i don't think he deserved to be mocked like that for suggesting a buffer overflow attack |
| 15:09:31 | preglow | he didn't suggest a buffer overflow attack |
| 15:09:34 | preglow | he didn't suggest anything |
| 15:09:38 | B4gder | it went into a discussion on how to change the volume limit in the ipod firmware |
| 15:09:38 | LinusN | even if he didn't find the words for it |
| 15:09:55 | DataGhost | hm, no. false alarm, everything is corrupt ;( |
| 15:09:56 | B4gder | and I don't think volume limits is rockbox related |
| 15:10:04 | preglow | and when i asked him to explain how this would work several times, he didn't answer |
| 15:10:16 | B4gder | linusn: he had plenty words to be rude |
| 15:10:26 | daurnimator | JdGordon: old review, and its not even using a custom firmware: http://www.mobiletechreview.com/Sharp-Zaurus-C3200.htm |
| 15:10:36 | LinusN | B4gder: i think that he thought that the volume change indicated a possible attack vector |
| 15:10:46 | preglow | where is the thread in question anyway? |
| 15:10:50 | preglow | or has it been deleted? :> |
| 15:10:52 | B4gder | that's now what any of the postings said |
| 15:10:55 | B4gder | not |
| 15:11:05 | LinusN | i know |
| 15:11:20 | LinusN | he surely didn't display any knowledge ini the field |
| 15:11:22 | B4gder | if they had, I wouldn't have deleted them |
| 15:11:28 | GodEater | preglow: it's in the Nano 3G New Ports thread |
| 15:11:34 | linuxstb | 3G? |
| 15:11:36 | GodEater | 2G |
| 15:11:37 | LinusN | cool! |
| 15:11:39 | * | linuxstb missed something... |
| 15:11:42 | GodEater | 'scuse my fat fingers |
| 15:11:42 | JdGordon | daurnimator: does sdl run on it? |
| 15:11:49 | daurnimator | of course |
| 15:11:53 | preglow | GodEater: of course |
| 15:12:03 | daurnimator | join #oe or #openzaurus |
| 15:12:17 | JdGordon | daurnimator: so you gotta fx the uisim to work on it :) and then you can do the gp2x "port" also :p |
| 15:12:23 | GodEater | I'm not sure if Bagder just deleted the latest two posts, or all of the ones related to the mp3 |
| 15:12:24 | linuxstb | Does anyone have the link to the mp3 in question? |
| 15:12:30 | daurnimator | ha |
| 15:12:36 | DataGhost | webguest45 has...... :P |
| 15:12:38 | daurnimator | why have rockbox when i have a full OS? :S |
| 15:12:56 | GodEater | linuxstb: it was on rapidshare somewhere - but the link is goneski |
| 15:13:00 | JdGordon | party pooper :p |
| 15:13:02 | daurnimator | with any software i want? :P |
| 15:13:12 | daurnimator | even has a psx emulator |
| 15:13:21 | daurnimator | (though half fps :( ) |
| 15:13:51 | B4gder | I delete two posts |
| 15:13:57 | B4gder | and then his backlash on me |
| 15:14:03 | B4gder | deleted |
| 15:14:28 | GodEater | ah - he was an asshat in the forums too ? |
| 15:14:35 | B4gder | yes |
| 15:14:58 | DataGhost | hehe |
| 15:14:59 | GodEater | missed that - I just saw the post with the link and some other guys follow up post |
| 15:15:03 | DataGhost | maybe he'll go to the iPL forums now |
| 15:15:06 | DataGhost | just as some other guys |
| 15:15:12 | DataGhost | 'rockbox mods suck!!!11' |
| 15:15:13 | preglow | he proposes there is code in the mp3 |
| 15:15:14 | preglow | nice, nice |
| 15:15:47 | DataGhost | GodEater I decided to screw the backup, since OSX screwed it anyway |
| 15:15:58 | DataGhost | http://de.dataghost.com/MVI_7725-nosound.avi ^_^ |
| 15:16:02 | DataGhost | so now I'm going to convert it :P |
| 15:16:32 | * | GodEater wget's the link and tries to pretend he's using curl. |
| 15:16:42 | DataGhost | 194.203.201.92 - - [23/Jan/2007:15:16:17 +0100] "GET /MVI_7725-nosound.avi HTTP/1.1" 200 7789816 "-" "Wget/1.10.2" |
| 15:16:43 | DataGhost | busted |
| 15:16:50 | preglow | linuxstb: you haven't got a newer wma patch, do you? |
| 15:17:00 | LinusN | preglow: i think he proposed that we could use this flaw to possibly inject code - i.e a buffer overflow exploit |
| 15:17:13 | B4gder | godeater: :-P |
| 15:17:19 | preglow | LinusN: what he actually proposes is that the mp3 contains code, but yes, i get your drift |
| 15:17:35 | LinusN | he was clearly not a man with words |
| 15:17:38 | preglow | someone with a g2 should start picking apart the mp3, then... |
| 15:17:43 | GodEater | it's only cos curl doesn't play nice with our proxy :P |
| 15:18:05 | preglow | it's probably a metadata issue |
| 15:18:12 | LinusN | is there a firmware upgrade available for the 2g yet? |
| 15:18:28 | * | DataGhost clicks the magic button |
| 15:18:31 | B4gder | godeater: really? oh well that happens |
| 15:18:31 | DataGhost | restore and update |
| 15:18:33 | linuxstb | preglow: No, just what I posted. I did start my own port (just concentrating on the higher-level code, leaving the decoder itself untouched from ffmpeg), but that's not finished. |
| 15:18:57 | LinusN | DataGhost: so restore and update works on the 2g? |
| 15:19:03 | linuxstb | LinusN: Yes - http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ |
| 15:19:03 | GodEater | actually - I just tried it again - seems to work now. Possibly the last time I tried we were having 'network issues' |
| 15:19:11 | DataGhost | dunno, I'm trying my 5.5G now LinusN.. for the bootloader on macpods :) |
| 15:19:48 | linuxstb | LinusN: That page links to the download server itunes uses. The .ipsw files are zip files, unzip it and you get a Firmware-X.Y.Z file which is an image of the ipod's firmware partition. |
| 15:20:08 | DataGhost | oh |
| 15:20:11 | linuxstb | itunes simply "dd"s that file to the firmware partition to upgrade the firmware. |
| 15:20:14 | DataGhost | I actually just see it was pretty bad timing :P |
| 15:20:16 | LinusN | ok, so the firmware is encrypted on the disk |
| 15:20:30 | preglow | yes |
| 15:20:32 | GodEater | yes |
| 15:20:40 | linuxstb | Yes, both the bootloader image and the main firmware image. Previous ipods only had the bootloader encrypted. |
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| 15:21:24 | LinusN | nasty |
| 15:21:26 | Alpha_six | hi |
| 15:21:31 | preglow | linuxstb: is it far off from being finished? i don't want to bother with this thing here if i don't have to |
| 15:22:41 | Alpha_six | is there a special reason, that rockbox is only running on a few archos-devices |
| 15:22:48 | preglow | Alpha_six: it's not |
| 15:22:51 | preglow | Alpha_six: check www.rockbox.org |
| 15:22:59 | preglow | at the top of the page |
| 15:23:03 | preglow | you're in for a surprise |
| 15:23:06 | Alpha_six | a am on that page |
| 15:23:11 | preglow | then you also need to read it |
| 15:23:12 | linuxstb | preglow: I got as far as a working standalone "wmaplay" program, and I was in the process of stripping out as much of the ffmpeg stuff as I could, and rewriting it to be more Rockbox friendly (no mallocs, no direct disk accesses etc). |
| 15:23:15 | LinusN | Alpha_six: which archos device do you want to run it on? |
| 15:23:26 | preglow | Alpha_six: right, like that, ignore me |
| 15:23:28 | B4gder | alpha: people need to make ports to every single platform |
| 15:23:34 | Alpha_six | the xs-series |
| 15:23:35 | linuxstb | preglow: But then I just got bored... |
| 15:23:40 | preglow | linuxstb: well, small wonder |
| 15:24:02 | LinusN | Alpha_six: no owner of an xs-series archos has expressed any interest in porting rockbox to it |
| 15:24:11 | LinusN | that's why |
| 15:24:27 | Alpha_six | but it doesn't play ogg! |
| 15:24:41 | linuxstb | preglow: WMA really needs a two-way attack - someone doing what I Was doing with the high-level stuff, and someone finishing marsdaddy's conversion to fixed point. |
| 15:24:45 | B4gder | alpha: start porting! |
| 15:24:46 | daurnimator | linuxstb: when do you get your av300? |
| 15:24:59 | Alpha_six | vorbis simply isn't supported |
| 15:25:11 | linuxstb | daurnimator: Not yet. Shouldn't be long now though - I think it left Sweden yesterday... |
| 15:25:15 | LinusN | Alpha_six: then port rockbox to it |
| 15:25:23 | Alpha_six | the problem is i don't know anything about embedded systems |
| 15:25:38 | linuxstb | Do you know anything about the xs-series? i.e. what hardware is inside it? |
| 15:25:39 | LinusN | Alpha_six: that's an obstacle, yes :-) |
| 15:25:42 | daurnimator | Alpha_six: you're out of luck :P |
| 15:25:54 | daurnimator | you have the 202xs? |
| 15:26:01 | Alpha_six | i've asked for the reason. so there's a different hardware in it, so it's not only a compiling-problem? |
| 15:26:10 | B4gder | alpha: correct |
| 15:26:27 | LinusN | it's an entirely different beast |
| 15:26:29 | Alpha_six | so there is a reason *g* |
| 15:26:37 | preglow | linuxstb: well, i can tell you for sure, i'd fit in the latter part of that |
| 15:26:43 | daurnimator | (isn't that the only XS?) |
| 15:27:07 | Alpha_six | no. i got a xs100 |
| 15:27:16 | Alpha_six | it's a bit old, i know |
| 15:27:18 | n1s | wow, the low-battery-one-f*****g-second backlight timeout is so annoying! (and it's buggy too) bleah! |
| 15:27:24 | linuxstb | preglow: I may go back, but I have about 3 or 4 other Rockbox projects in progress... |
| 15:27:33 | LinusN | preglow, linuxstb: if we only could get it to a state where it played non-realtime wma, we could commit it and let preglow do his magic |
| 15:28:10 | Alpha_six | is it like writing the software anew, if i want to port it? |
| 15:28:34 | linuxstb | LinusN: Yes, that was my intention, but I wanted to start from scratch (with the ffmpeg sources), rather than marsdaddy's work. I can't remember why now though.... |
| 15:28:36 | LinusN | Alpha_six: it is mostly about reverse engineering the hardware |
| 15:28:45 | pondlife | The front page activity table seems to take ages to update. Is it stalled? JDGordon's commit was ages ago... |
| 15:28:59 | B4gder | alpha: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 15:29:16 | B4gder | pondlife: it updates once/hour atm |
| 15:29:23 | Alpha_six | so the thing i don't know nothing about:hardware! |
| 15:29:28 | LinusN | :-) |
| 15:29:29 | pondlife | OK, that explains it. Why so much slower than before? |
| 15:29:35 | pixelma | n1s: I spoke to barrywardell about it - he agreed and said the whole power managing needed an overhaul |
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| 15:29:54 | B4gder | pondlife: because the svn builds and the front page are now totally separated, which they weren't before |
| 15:29:57 | n1s | pixelma: yes, indeed |
| 15:30:22 | pondlife | B4gder: I take it this is a good thing...? ;-) |
| 15:30:26 | DataGhost | lol GodEater my loader detected the HFS+ partition things without any problem |
| 15:30:29 | B4gder | yes it is |
| 15:30:29 | DataGhost | it's booting linux now |
| 15:30:33 | DataGhost | terribly slow, but it is |
| 15:30:40 | B4gder | I just need to enhance details |
| 15:31:17 | barrywardell | n1s, pixelma: i promised i would do the overhaul at some stage, but I've been putting it on the long finger... |
| 15:31:26 | pondlife | In which case, those fonts and column-widths are still not as readable as they used to be.. ;) |
| 15:31:34 | * | pondlife is too picky |
| 15:31:53 | amiconn | Alpha_six, LinusN: Gmini xs100 is one of those calmrisc16 targets |
| 15:32:06 | LinusN | yuck and double-yuck |
| 15:32:09 | B4gder | ugha |
| 15:32:25 | Alpha_six | amicomm: so it's at work? |
| 15:32:37 | LinusN | we abandoned the calmrisc port |
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| 15:33:32 | muesli__ | hey guys...just an idea http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8361.0 |
| 15:33:34 | preglow | ugh |
| 15:33:43 | preglow | marsdaddy used 64x64 bit muls faaar too extensively |
| 15:34:51 | B4gder | muesli: so what's the idea? the log is there already for you? |
| 15:35:27 | muesli__ | just to present the table only |
| 15:35:34 | LinusN | like this? http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html |
| 15:36:07 | Alpha_six | are there other projects like this? |
| 15:36:23 | B4gder | alpha: there are similar ones for some targets, yes |
| 15:36:25 | n1s | barrywardell: Would you mind if I just get rid of that thing setting the backlight timeout to 1 sec when battery is low? |
| 15:36:32 | muesli__ | LinusN not bad either, didnt know that page. but it doesnt include the current |
| 15:36:41 | muesli__ | changes |
| 15:36:49 | LinusN | it is updated once a day |
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| 15:36:59 | B4gder | in fact it is updated every hour |
| 15:37:08 | Alpha_six | <B4gder>: i'm looking for Vorbis support... |
| 15:37:12 | barrywardell | n1s: nope. go ahead. |
| 15:37:16 | muesli__ | i see last update from 20 Jan 22:35 |
| 15:37:19 | LinusN | B4gder: since-4weeks.html? i think not |
| 15:37:26 | muesli__ | kinda 3days delay!? |
| 15:37:57 | B4gder | it does |
| 15:37:59 | n1s | barrywardell: will take a look tomorrow |
| 15:38:18 | B4gder | but Zagor has messed it up... |
| 15:38:20 | B4gder | :-) |
| 15:38:25 | LinusN | haha |
| 15:38:35 | pixelma | n1s: he posted the offending line a few days ago (must be in the logs) |
| 15:38:35 | pondlife | Mod fight!! |
| 15:38:46 | B4gder | it was no symlink anymore, it was a copied file |
| 15:38:47 | Alpha_six | <B4gder>: May you name the Projects, you know? I've needed some time to find this one... |
| 15:38:51 | LinusN | B4gder: zagor? you mean that evil hacker who deleted our site? :-) |
| 15:38:53 | B4gder | no wonder it didn't update |
| 15:38:56 | pondlife | Did the offending script get restored from the backup too? |
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| 15:39:17 | B4gder | alpha: for the xs100 there is none |
| 15:39:21 | XavierGr | ok time to ghost my machine |
| 15:39:24 | XavierGr | laterz :P |
| 15:39:34 | n1s | pixelma: ok, thanks, i will search... |
| 15:39:47 | GodEater | <completely ot but>why does the SAP gui suck SOOOO much?</completely ot but> |
| 15:40:04 | GodEater | I just felt the need to share that. Please go about your business now. |
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| 15:40:24 | Alpha_six | <B4gder>: none?! it can be flashed from its hd... it must be easy to write some firmware for it! |
| 15:41:15 | n1s | ther's a little more to it |
| 15:41:39 | pixelma | did you find it? |
| 15:42:09 | B4gder | alpha: then do it |
| 15:42:09 | Alpha_six | n1s: ok. you have to write a lot of basic stuff untill it works... |
| 15:42:29 | Alpha_six | <B4gder>: Ok, how can I learn it?! |
| 15:42:42 | B4gder | ... "it must be easy" |
| 15:42:44 | pixelma | n1s: "line 636 of firmware/powermgmt.c" ( http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20070119.txt at 2:27) |
| 15:42:47 | Alpha_six | <B4gder>: I've never done some re-engeneering... |
| 15:42:48 | n1s | pixelma: gtg now, but will search (if that was to me :-)) |
| 15:43:01 | n1s | and thanks ;-) |
| 15:43:26 | Alpha_six | <B4gder>: Is it possible to do it by learning? |
| 15:43:33 | B4gder | yes of course |
| 15:43:47 | B4gder | it is only a matter of your determination |
| 15:43:59 | Alpha_six | <B4gder>: ok. so it IS easy? the only thing is, taht it HAS to be done? |
| 15:44:25 | B4gder | things that exist aren't all proof of them being easy you know |
| 15:44:33 | pondlife | preglow: Are you taking on the WMA port? |
| 15:45:14 | Alpha_six | <B4gder>: Ok. Is there something you would recommend me for starting? |
| 15:45:52 | B4gder | I wouldn't know where to start |
| 15:46:24 | B4gder | alpha: get and build Rockbox for another target |
| 15:46:28 | B4gder | figure out your HW |
| 15:46:33 | Alpha_six | <B4gder>: The thing is exactly that: it's not like programming a computer. you can't do testings... It has to run from the beginning on |
| 15:46:35 | B4gder | get gcc for calmrisc16 |
| 15:46:36 | B4gder | fix it |
| 15:46:55 | B4gder | should work as a start |
| 15:47:09 | Alpha_six | uhm |
| 15:47:11 | B4gder | you can test indeed |
| 15:47:22 | Alpha_six | fix it? |
| 15:47:29 | B4gder | the guys who did the archos gmini port work in the past started with a buffer overflow |
| 15:47:32 | B4gder | they never flashed |
| 15:47:35 | Alpha_six | doesn't it run? |
| 15:47:35 | B4gder | fix it yes |
| 15:47:47 | preglow | pondlife: apparently i am |
| 15:47:52 | B4gder | no, and it is an unofficial gcc branch |
| 15:48:11 | B4gder | but it might work good enough to get started with |
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| 15:49:28 | Alpha_six | <B4gder>: I'm not the one who's writing compilers... and apart from that: i'm using win, so gcc itself isn't working on this box. |
| 15:49:51 | B4gder | so use cygwin or run linux in vmware |
| 15:50:00 | B4gder | every other rockbox-dev on win does |
| 15:50:14 | Alpha_six | i use cygwin |
| 15:50:18 | Alpha_six | well, ok |
| 15:50:22 | linuxstb_ | preglow: If it's of any use, here's the standalone "wmaplay" program I was working on. If you're going to work on WMA, I'll go back and try to finish it - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/wmaplay.tgz |
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| 15:50:57 | Alpha_six | is there maybe an easier device, on which i can practise doing some hardware-stuff |
| 15:51:23 | B4gder | I don't think you can find many harder devices than the calmrisc based ones... |
| 15:51:40 | B4gder | except the ones with hard encryption perhaps |
| 15:51:59 | linuxstb | Alpha_six: You would save yourself many months and many headaches by investing in a device Rockbox already works on... |
| 15:52:12 | linuxstb | But of course, that's no fun. |
| 15:52:18 | preglow | linuxstb: no guarantees, i'll have a look at it |
| 15:52:19 | Alpha_six | lol. so it's next to impossible for somebody who never hardcoded a device apart from his PC?! |
| 15:52:28 | B4gder | no |
| 15:52:33 | B4gder | just time consuming |
| 15:52:44 | Alpha_six | how much time? |
| 15:52:59 | B4gder | it depends on how fast and good you are |
| 15:53:10 | Alpha_six | is it possible in about 6 weeks (without work)? |
| 15:53:37 | B4gder | if you're skilled, I guess it might be possible |
| 15:53:53 | Alpha_six | i'm not skilled. not a bit... |
| 15:53:56 | preglow | linuxstb: didn't compile here |
| 15:54:06 | linuxstb | preglow: What's the error? |
| 15:54:16 | linuxstb | I think the only dependency should be the alsa libs. |
| 15:54:23 | Alpha_six | and 6 weeks do do a flash? a very simple one, which only is able to flash the system back? |
| 15:54:27 | preglow | apparently it tries to define yet another lrintf |
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| 15:54:31 | preglow | libc has that |
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| 15:55:14 | Genre9mp3 | hi all |
| 15:55:17 | Alpha_six | hi |
| 15:55:42 | * | Genre9mp3 experienced today a boost_count 521 (!!!) on his H300 |
| 15:55:59 | preglow | hhohohoh |
| 15:56:05 | preglow | not bad, not bad |
| 15:56:32 | Genre9mp3 | yeah... I was wondering If the Coldfire was running at Ghz! ;) |
| 15:56:42 | Alpha_six | <B4gder>: Is there an emulator, so i can test it a bit on the pc, before i fuck up my device? |
| 15:57:35 | B4gder | we don't support this target, so we don't have anything for it |
| 15:58:05 | B4gder | but I think someone once made an emulator |
| 15:58:25 | daurnimator | Alpha_six: i advise against it |
| 15:58:25 | Alpha_six | ok. this is not my target, but it'll happen. |
| 15:58:37 | Genre9mp3 | It seems that there's something wrong with the cpu frequency with svn atm... at least on coldfire |
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| 15:59:05 | daurnimator | pick something easy |
| 15:59:07 | Genre9mp3 | Don't know what exactly caused my boost_count to go to 521 |
| 15:59:09 | daurnimator | like dm320 ;) |
| 15:59:35 | Genre9mp3 | but the player was playing about 3-4 hours continualy |
| 15:59:40 | pondlife | Anyone know how to add an option now..? Do I just add it to the end of settings_list.c? |
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| 16:00:07 | Genre9mp3 | reseting the boost_count seemed to fixing it |
| 16:00:08 | pondlife | Or is there a particular place to insert to determine the menu layout? |
| 16:00:17 | Alpha_six | ok, guys, so i'll look for an emulator and I'll try to do some basic stuff |
| 16:00:50 | Alpha_six | thanks that far (it's not very far but a step) |
| 16:01:19 | B4gder | alpha: see here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GminiPort |
| 16:01:35 | pixelma | maybe you can find some information, starting here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GminiPortDevelopment - I don't know how outdated that is though |
| 16:01:57 | preglow | linuxstb: weird, the config.h file should have made that thing ifdeffed out |
| 16:02:11 | linuxstb | preglow: I know. I've been looking and not understanding.... |
| 16:02:40 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 16:04:17 | preglow | but it's not defined, that much is certain |
| 16:04:55 | preglow | somehow, config.h is not included |
| 16:05:15 | Alpha_six | <B4gder>: ok, thanx. it would be nice to contact that person, but you don't know him?! |
| 16:05:58 | linuxstb | preglow: I think it's wmaplay.c - remove the #include "dsputil.h" from there. |
| 16:06:38 | preglow | linuxstb: that was it |
| 16:07:06 | preglow | weird still, HAVE_AV_CONFIG_H wasn't defined anymore in common.h for some reason |
| 16:07:34 | Alpha_six | <B4gder>: ok. that's a basis to start of. so first of all, i need to get a linux-box... |
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| 16:09:21 | GodEater | Alpha_six: just the vmware image would do |
| 16:09:27 | preglow | linuxstb: tried it with the one wma i have, and it seems to glitch a bit here and there |
| 16:09:30 | Alpha_six | ok. cya. i'll do my best... if i don't get frustrated immediately, i'll try that out *g* |
| 16:09:50 | preglow | linuxstb: seems to be an ffmpeg issues, vlc actually glitches even more |
| 16:10:01 | Alpha_six | GodEater: Well, maybe, but it's easyer to get a Linux-box |
| 16:10:03 | linuxstb | Do you have a recent ffmpeg? |
| 16:10:09 | Genre9mp3 | so | |
| 16:10:14 | Genre9mp3 | oops.. |
| 16:10:17 | preglow | vlc 0.8.6, that's all i know |
| 16:11:10 | Genre9mp3 | so I don't get anything for the boost_count record? |
| 16:11:24 | Alpha_six | ok. cya |
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| 16:13:33 | preglow | linuxstb: actually, wmaplay glitches far less |
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| 16:17:36 | GodEater | hmmm |
| 16:17:43 | linuxstb | preglow: Comparing wmaplay with the current ffmpeg SVN, there's one change you could try - change the "len > 0" in line 1215 of wmadec.c to "len > 7" |
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| 16:18:51 | * | GodEater has just found out that the hardware lead on Apple's iPhone is a friend of a friend. |
| 16:19:02 | PaulPosition | Asking out of curiosity..: What's the advantage of that last commit that stores/loads settings from disc..? I suppose there was a reason it wasn't done that way at first so what changed? |
| 16:19:32 | B4gder | we've always wanted to move to text-only |
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| 16:20:14 | B4gder | there are many benefits, such as no more silly path limits for fonts/wpses etc and easier storing/replacing configs and better upgrade procedures and more |
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| 16:21:09 | n1s | And no more people coming here asking why their settings are kept after wiping the .rockbox dir :-) |
| 16:21:10 | PaulPosition | Bagder: Cool, thanks.. I guess I could understand that. :) |
| 16:22:19 | preglow | linuxstb: no difference |
| 16:25:37 | bluebrother | hmm, where gets stuff like resume position saved now? Also in the config file? |
| 16:30:00 | n1s | Ok, so I synced FS #6421 (the disk poweroff patch I've been nagging about :-)) and wonder if it should go in or does someone really object, it's confirmed working on h120, h320, h10 20gb, x5 (just archos recorders missing). |
| 16:30:59 | B4gder | bluebrother: .rockbox/nvram.bin afaiu |
| 16:31:35 | markun | n1s: I have disk poweroff always on on my gigabeat |
| 16:31:35 | barrywardell | n1s: it's fine by me anyway |
| 16:31:39 | barrywardell | (h10) |
| 16:32:19 | n1s | ok, so commit i shall then... |
| 16:32:23 | PaulPosition | n1s - You can add H10 5/6gb (for what its worth...) too, at least it *used* to work few weeks ago. (but I built without it last few times because disk_poweroff used to bug after a while (I think it was reworked) |
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| 16:32:48 | n1s | PaulPosition: yes barrywardel fixed that |
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| 16:33:04 | PaulPosition | :) |
| 16:33:07 | barrywardell | all H10 models work the same in that regard |
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| 16:43:57 | n1s | and here she goes... |
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| 16:47:23 | preglow | i thought amiconn said the option should be retained for some targets |
| 16:48:48 | n1s | he did!? |
| 16:49:03 | n1s | for which targets? |
| 16:49:15 | preglow | he did say something to that effect, i _think_ |
| 16:49:16 | preglow | better ask |
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| 16:49:37 | linuxstb | I think he mentioned the Archos Player. But yes, better ask him. |
| 16:50:15 | n1s | But the whole thing has been #ifdefed out for archos players for years! |
| 16:51:34 | n1s | well, I bet he'll tell me what he said ;-) |
| 16:54:17 | * | n1s is gon for acouple of hours |
| 16:54:21 | n1s | gone even |
| 16:56:56 | amiconn | preglow: The option can go away |
| 16:57:03 | pixelma | mm... writing this nwram.bin disturbs screenupdates again... writing those after buffering takes significantly longer than before (like it was in JdGordon's older patch) :/ |
| 16:57:26 | preglow | amiconn: then hooray! |
| 16:57:28 | preglow | an option less! |
| 16:57:41 | amiconn | Some archos players have problems with disk poweroff, that's why disk poweroff itself is disabled in svn for them |
| 16:57:44 | pixelma | *nvram even |
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| 16:58:58 | amiconn | Meh, I wanted to ask LinusN if he could test something wrt archos player disk poweroff :( |
| 16:59:25 | preglow | brb |
| 16:59:26 | amiconn | Maybe it's just the same problem as on H10 |
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| 17:21:33 | * | wLLm Looks at the mail and sees a box, it's adressed to William. |
| 17:21:41 | * | wLLm Opens the box and sees some shiny plastic, behind that plastic is a brand new iPod Video 5g 60GB :) |
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| 17:23:18 | markun | w1ll14m: dissapointed that it's not a gigabeat X60? :) |
| 17:23:31 | * | markun would be |
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| 17:25:48 | w1ll14m | markun: I know :( but i got him for about 250 euro's ;) |
| 17:26:18 | w1ll14m | when the ipod 5g 60Gb was new... it costs me about 446 euro :| so i bought the 30 GB version |
| 17:26:35 | w1ll14m | 359 euro ;) |
| 17:27:03 | w1ll14m | still expansive but this one is brand new in new box with plastic etc. and i just payed 250 euro :D |
| 17:28:22 | w1ll14m | she's bright and shiny (my ipod looks like i've abused it for cleaning my desktop) |
| 17:29:34 | markun | the gigabeats are mostly 2nd hand now, there are some new ones in australian stores only I tink but at very high prices |
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| 17:37:50 | Llorean | Anyone with a gigabeat here? |
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| 17:38:06 | markun | Llorean: yes |
| 17:38:22 | Llorean | markun: I'm getting error: -2, does this mean "Checksum Error" as it does with the iPod Bootloader? |
| 17:38:37 | markun | you bought one?? |
| 17:38:54 | Llorean | Well, I wanted a 40gb player anyway |
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| 17:39:32 | markun | congratulations |
| 17:39:50 | Llorean | Aha |
| 17:40:08 | Llorean | "Error: -2" seems to mean "You silly man, you put rockbox.gigabeat in the .rockbox folder expecting it to work like it does on other targets" |
| 17:40:09 | markun | Llorean: according the bootloader/gigabeat.c it can't find the kernel |
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| 17:40:27 | Llorean | I like my root folder to be clean, so by habit I move the binary into the .rockbox folder. |
| 17:40:31 | markun | yes, that doesn't work right now |
| 17:40:44 | markun | you are free to fix it |
| 17:40:45 | Llorean | Error: -1 should be "I can't find the binary" to align with the rest of the bootloaders. |
| 17:41:05 | markun | Llorean: someone showed me a bootloader unifying patch |
| 17:41:12 | markun | but we didn't test it on the gigabeat yet |
| 17:41:32 | Llorean | Ah |
| 17:42:06 | linuxstb | It should be on the patch tracker - barrywardell wrote it. |
| 17:42:36 | linuxstb | It should display the textual error messages, as well as making the bootloaders behave consistently. |
| 17:44:16 | barrywardell | it's FS #6554 |
| 17:44:57 | Llorean | Just as a note: I am officially not a fan of that silly touch-sensitive cross that it uses as an interface (both in Rockbox and in the original firmware) |
| 17:45:42 | Lynx_ | is the gigabeat out of production already? |
| 17:47:20 | markun | Lynx_: yes |
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| 17:54:02 | linuxstb | preglow: Seen that there's now a musepack decoder in ffmpeg? |
| 17:54:41 | linuxstb | http://svn.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg/trunk/libavcodec/mpc.c?view=log |
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| 18:01:55 | toffe | Lynx_ : it is out of production but you can find a F40 for 80$ with craddle on eBay |
| 18:02:27 | Lynx_ | toffe: i don't really want one, just wondered that it went away quite fast |
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| 18:04:17 | toffe | I think it is 3 years old, you don't have so many mp3 player staying more time on the market, there is even new ipod every year or two |
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| 18:05:00 | preglow | linuxstb: nope, having a look |
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| 18:05:37 | preglow | linuxstb: well, that was small and sweet... |
| 18:06:32 | preglow | linuxstb: floating point and only sv7, though |
| 18:10:00 | Llorean | Do Gigabeats have the 32mb of ram that is so standard? |
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| 18:10:59 | markun | Llorean: yes |
| 18:12:00 | Llorean | Thanks |
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| 18:25:54 | PaulJam | is there a possibility to find out if there were conflicts during the svn update? |
| 18:27:14 | markun | PaulJam: I think "svn st" should show you |
| 18:27:49 | PaulJam | thank you, that seems to work. |
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| 18:54:38 | Llorean | The "Create Playlist" option seems to be broken. When I choose it, it doesn't stride subdirectories properly anymore (even though recursively insert is enabled). I tried creating a playlist in my Music folder and got 1 song in it |
| 18:55:01 | Llorean | While if I just "Insert" the Music folder, 1713 songs. |
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| 19:02:09 | Llorean | Just as a note: It works fine same build on my H120, so oddly enough it seems to be at least somewhat target exclusive? |
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| 19:06:41 | Llorean | markun: Is the backlight fade-in and fade-out not adjustable on gigabeat? |
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| 19:19:58 | perl|work | Llorean, correct |
| 19:20:30 | Llorean | perl|work: Is that an issue of "we don't know how to do it yet" or an issue of "it can't be changed, in any way"? |
| 19:20:42 | Llorean | I've always been a fan of no fade in or out. |
| 19:21:15 | perl|work | it can be changed, nobody got around to implement it |
| 19:22:20 | perl|work | on stock firmware, it loses brightness, then turns off for example |
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| 19:34:45 | amiconn | Looks like firewire detection is GPIO C bit 1 (at least on mini G2) :-) |
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| 19:40:39 | jkhl | I have a question regarding the H10_5g build: If I use the iCatcher-theme (only to get a white background) and wait until the backlight is turned off in the WPS screen I recognized that the backlight ist _not_ really turned off. It is very dark butt if I look on the display from a very flat angle I can see the text on the display. Why isn't the display really off? |
| 19:41:06 | linuxstb | amiconn: Do you have a firewire AC charger, or just USB? |
| 19:41:19 | jkhl | usb |
| 19:41:22 | amiconn | The charger is usb only |
| 19:42:02 | amiconn | Also, my firewire runs via a 6->4 pin adapter, so the detection bit can't be the voltage |
| 19:43:30 | amiconn | Now I can hook up 3 rockbox targets to my laptop simultaneously without using a hub ;) |
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| 19:45:05 | amiconn | jkhl: The backlight _is_ turned off, however, the display is not, because we don't know how to do this on PP targets |
| 19:45:27 | amiconn | So the display can be read a little bit depending on ambient lighting |
| 19:46:36 | jkhl | amiconn: yes, thats exactly what I wanted to say. and thanks for the explanation |
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| 19:52:19 | jkhl | amiconn: would it save a lot of battery life if the display is off or doesn't that matter? |
| 19:53:44 | amiconn | It would save a little bit |
| 19:54:46 | amiconn | Hmm, I wonder how we should handle firewire. Do we need a separate screen, or should we just handle it as "usb"? |
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| 20:03:35 | amiconn | hmpf |
| 20:03:49 | preglow | another logo would be nice, but why change anything else? |
| 20:04:19 | * | amiconn misses the cvs attic :( |
| 20:07:35 | amiconn | preglow: The logo isn't visible for a long time, so for now there is no need to replace it |
| 20:08:16 | amiconn | This will change if we (ever) add our own usb and/or firewire handling |
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| 20:17:28 | BiptoN | hey fellas, does anyone have a sansa e250 or whatnot runnin rockbox? |
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| 20:17:57 | dan_a | BiptoN: Yes (or I can do quickly) |
| 20:18:41 | BiptoN | how well soes it run dan_a? |
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| 20:19:21 | dan_a | There's no sound yet, and a lot of rough edges. Once sound is sorted it will be a nice target |
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| 20:20:20 | BiptoN | sweet, thanks for the info. Will recording work also? |
| 20:21:10 | dan_a | The original firmware records... if we get info on how to record, then yes it should |
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| 20:25:57 | markun | Llorean: do you like the gigabeat so far? |
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| 20:26:24 | Llorean | markun: Absolutely. |
| 20:26:53 | Llorean | I still prefer my H120, but having gotten used to the gigabeat a bit it's quite nice. |
| 20:27:05 | perl|work | even the cross? :P |
| 20:27:07 | Llorean | Though as I mentioned, the "create playlist" option seems broken for some reason. |
| 20:27:32 | Llorean | perl|work: It just requires more pressure than I expected. I'm still not fond of it, but I don't hate it any more. |
| 20:27:37 | markun | I didnt bring my h120 to france because of the smaller hdd |
| 20:27:49 | perl|work | Llorean good to hear |
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| 20:28:41 | Llorean | Other than "Create Playlist" not working (and I haven't quite figured that out, since I can't imagine why it would be target-specific behaviour) I rather like it overall |
| 20:28:43 | inteliwasp | is there any way how i being a 4G ipod user help with resolving the random freezing i experience? |
| 20:29:11 | Llorean | inteliwasp: Being a User, no, not really. |
| 20:29:29 | perl|work | Llorean let me reproduce it |
| 20:29:40 | perl|work | anything specific i should be doing? |
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| 20:30:19 | Llorean | perl|work: Make sure that the recursively insert directories option is enabled. |
| 20:30:35 | Llorean | My music is in the format \Music\Artist\Album\Track.mp3 |
| 20:30:37 | markun | inteliwasp: if you find a way to reproduce it that would help |
| 20:30:49 | Llorean | Browse into the Music folder, then choose Playlist Options in the main menu, and Create Playlist |
| 20:30:52 | dan_a | inteliwasp: If you are able to compile Rockbox, you could test the patches in FS #6095 and give feedback |
| 20:31:23 | Llorean | You SHOULD get a playlist automatically named Music.m3u8 (or whatever folder) but for me, it only went 1 level deeper, and only one of my Artists didn't have any Albums but rather a single song. |
| 20:31:39 | perl|work | done and done |
| 20:31:48 | perl|work | created playlist, no problem |
| 20:32:00 | Llorean | And it recursed folders more than 1 deep? |
| 20:32:19 | perl|work | let me double check |
| 20:32:47 | perl|work | yes |
| 20:33:05 | Llorean | Are songs at varying depth, or all at the same depth? |
| 20:33:21 | perl|work | varying, i have the same structure with you |
| 20:34:08 | inteliwasp | markun: unfortunatly, the problem is more random that predictable tho it does tend to stay with certain files... |
| 20:34:35 | inteliwasp | dan_a: i am not a programmer and i am not sure how to compile or add paches |
| 20:34:47 | markun | Llorean: works fine here as well |
| 20:35:00 | Llorean | Do you have dircache enabled or no? |
| 20:35:23 | markun | yes |
| 20:35:29 | Llorean | hmmm |
| 20:35:31 | markun | enabled |
| 20:35:37 | Llorean | It didn't work when I hadn't enabled it yet |
| 20:35:41 | Llorean | Lemme see if it works now |
| 20:35:42 | Nico_P | markun: are you staying in france for a long time ? |
| 20:35:46 | Llorean | I know my H120 had it enabled |
| 20:36:14 | markun | Nico_P: about 3 months is the plan |
| 20:36:26 | Llorean | perl|work, markun: Thanks, it seems to be dircache, it doesn't work without it. |
| 20:36:43 | amiconn | That doesn't make sense... |
| 20:36:45 | Nico_P | markun: what are you doing there ? studies ? |
| 20:37:01 | markun | Nico_P: yes, internship |
| 20:37:06 | amiconn | "Create playlist" used to work on archos when there was no dircache |
| 20:37:16 | Lear | He, cutting the stack requirements for settings_write_config (and thus the ata thread) was easy... :p |
| 20:37:31 | Llorean | amiconn: Maybe it's broken now? Didn't someone change how recursive directory entry worked sometime recently, or was that a patch that never got committed? |
| 20:38:04 | Nico_P | markun: where exactly ? i heard you say it was in paris... i know paris well :) |
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| 20:38:12 | * | Llorean goes to re-confirm |
| 20:38:53 | * | amiconn tests |
| 20:39:09 | Llorean | amiconn: And now it works perfectly |
| 20:39:10 | Llorean | =/ |
| 20:39:14 | amiconn | I never use 'create playlist' myself, hence I wouldn't notice it breaking |
| 20:39:35 | Llorean | Before 'Create Playlist' refused to create one more than a single song long, that one song being the only one not two levels deep. |
| 20:39:46 | Llorean | It was also in the last folder in \Music\ |
| 20:40:58 | perl|work | oh it puts text files on the playlist as well heh |
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| 20:48:29 | disident | hi |
| 20:48:40 | disident | I have a rockbox error = -1 at boot |
| 20:48:45 | disident | install from linux |
| 20:49:09 | n1s | disident did you extract the zip to the root of your player? |
| 20:49:19 | disident | yes |
| 20:49:22 | disident | .rockbox |
| 20:49:33 | disident | rockbox |
| 20:49:36 | n1s | and rockbox.whatever (hidden on linux) |
| 20:49:38 | disident | and rockbox.rockbox |
| 20:49:55 | Llorean | Not rockbox.rockbox. |
| 20:49:57 | markun | disident: which player btw? |
| 20:50:04 | n1s | no, rockbox.ipod (i presume) ;-) |
| 20:50:12 | Llorean | The extension should be related to what player you have. |
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| 20:50:21 | disident | ok |
| 20:50:43 | n1s | oh and it's the folder that's hidden but you already got that, smacks forehead... |
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| 20:51:40 | disident | humm error -2 :) |
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| 20:51:55 | markun | getting there :) |
| 20:51:57 | Llorean | disident: What player? |
| 20:52:03 | n1s | "Read failed (chksum)"; |
| 20:52:04 | disident | ipod color |
| 20:52:17 | n1s | unzip again and umount safely |
| 20:52:52 | amiconn | preglow: around? |
| 20:52:59 | disident | mv .rockbox /media/IPOD/???? |
| 20:53:14 | linuxstb | unzip rockbox.zip -d /media/IPOD/ |
| 20:53:33 | disident | ok |
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| 21:00:40 | disident | it's works thanks |
| 21:00:47 | disident | there is no vcard or ical plugin? |
| 21:01:26 | n1s | no |
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| 21:02:15 | n1s | not included at least, there's a calendar in the tracker but I don't know which formats it support |
| 21:03:47 | preglow | amiconn: myeah |
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| 21:04:36 | amiconn | preglow: Did you experiment with the arm system control coprocessor on PP? |
| 21:06:31 | preglow | amiconn: i don't think i even know what you're talking about |
| 21:07:14 | amiconn | arm reference manual part B, chapter B2 and B5 |
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| 21:09:29 | preglow | amiconn: are you sure the pp chips have even got them? |
| 21:09:43 | amiconn | I don't know whether the arm cores in the PP do have system control coprocessors, hence my question |
| 21:10:20 | preglow | i really doubt it, but in any case, no, i've never even tried |
| 21:10:48 | amiconn | If it's there, it should allow cache control etc |
| 21:10:57 | preglow | yup, so i see |
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| 21:11:04 | preglow | which is what makes me doubt it's there, really |
| 21:11:10 | amiconn | Ok, so it's something to experiment with |
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| 21:11:21 | preglow | since that's already implemented in other ways in the pp chips |
| 21:11:24 | preglow | but sure, it's worth a try |
| 21:11:26 | preglow | brb again |
| 21:12:47 | amiconn | Do we have cache handling on PP? invalidate_icache() is an empty #define afaics |
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| 21:14:43 | linuxstb | I'm pretty sure dan_a has made some progress on that as part of his kernel_on_cop patch. |
| 21:14:54 | linuxstb | It's not in SVN though. |
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| 21:15:15 | linuxstb | Or there may be something in the PP rolo code... |
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| 21:16:26 | dan_a | There's a flush function in the Sansa LCD driver, which I have to move somewhere more appropriate. |
| 21:17:09 | dan_a | There are also examples of flushing and invalidating in the PP bootloader (in crt0) |
| 21:17:14 | GodEater | what is with all the shirty users in the forums at the moment ? |
| 21:18:34 | lini | hey guys, I get a weird message when I do a 'svn update' - |
| 21:18:37 | lini | svn: Failed to add directory 'tools': object of the same name already exists |
| 21:19:43 | lini | a full checkout with 'svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox' produces a similar message |
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| 21:23:58 | linuxstb | Does the "rockbox" directory already exist before you do the checkout? |
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| 21:25:29 | lini | yep |
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| 21:25:34 | lini | i just want to update it |
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| 21:26:27 | linuxstb | Then do "svn update" from inside the rockbox directory. |
| 21:26:42 | lini | i tried that first |
| 21:27:18 | lini | well, i deleted it and redownloaded everything |
| 21:27:25 | lini | and it's ok now |
| 21:27:38 | linuxstb | If you now do "svn update", does that work? |
| 21:27:46 | linuxstb | (from inside rockbox) |
| 21:28:08 | lini | nope, it said "svn: Failed to add directory 'tools': object of the same name already exists" |
| 21:28:47 | Llorean | lini: How are you "downloading" everything? Checking out with SVN? |
| 21:30:11 | lowlight | I've reworked my metadata-on-the-buffer patch |
| 21:30:16 | lowlight | http://www.geocities.com/m_arigo/rockbox/mdob.patch.txt |
| 21:30:22 | linuxstb | lowlight: How is it working? |
| 21:30:22 | lini | yep, i renamed the rockbox folder and did a full co again |
| 21:30:24 | lowlight | There's sure to be bugs |
| 21:30:27 | lini | nevermind |
| 21:30:55 | lowlight | It won't work with files that fill the whole buffer until i figure out how to move the metadata |
| 21:32:10 | amiconn | lini: What's your svn version? |
| 21:32:42 | amiconn | svn −−version |
| 21:32:47 | pixelma | Llorean: should the order of folders in the root.m3u be random or sorted alphabetically? (never used this feature) |
| 21:33:43 | Llorean | pixelma: As far as I'm aware, it's alphabetical. |
| 21:33:46 | lini | amiconn: svn, version 1.4.2 (r22196) |
| 21:33:52 | lini | i'm using cygwin |
| 21:33:59 | lini | and I updated recently |
| 21:34:01 | amiconn | Hmm, then strange |
| 21:34:01 | Llorean | pixelma: But it seems the function is working, it just didn't work on my first boot on the Gigabeat for some probably very strange reason |
| 21:34:10 | amiconn | Same here, svn 1.4.2 on cygwin |
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| 21:34:58 | GodEater | it's a case sensitivity issue |
| 21:35:29 | lini | I wrote a script to autoupdate the using CVS before. I converted it for SVN but I guess it doesn't work anymore |
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| 21:35:40 | lowlight | linuxstb: it's more complete that what I did before. ff & rew seem to work, so do buffer refills. But I've had to disable the case when it tries to overwrite the metadata buffer for the current track |
| 21:35:53 | GodEater | http://subversion.tigris.org/faq.html |
| 21:35:59 | GodEater | search the page for the error |
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| 21:37:03 | lowlight | linuxstb: and I've only tested it on the sim |
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| 21:47:27 | pixelma | Llorean: seems like they are sorted by "time added" for me |
| 21:49:02 | tucoz | Is the setting Disk poweroff gone now? |
| 21:49:25 | n1s | yes! |
| 21:49:39 | tucoz | n1s, hurra :) |
| 21:49:42 | n1s | and I will update the manual soon |
| 21:50:02 | tucoz | oh. i was just firing up my old trusty emacs |
| 21:50:04 | amiconn | pixelma, Llorean: The dirs appear in raw directory order |
| 21:50:15 | n1s | just waiting to see if anyone screams revert, but no screaming so far :-) |
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| 21:50:54 | tucoz | just get rid of all traces from that option |
| 21:51:08 | amiconn | Depending on how the dirs were added, they might appear alphabetical, in 'time added' order, or even unsorted |
| 21:51:11 | n1s | will do :-) |
| 21:51:56 | perl|work | amiconn, pixelma: are the text files suppose to get in the playlist as well? |
| 21:52:16 | pixelma | no, and they aren't for me |
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| 21:53:05 | perl|work | did for me, they also named strange in the playlist |
| 21:53:15 | perl|work | Dh247 ? |
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| 21:55:15 | amiconn | perl|work: Do you have some really long paths? |
| 21:56:13 | perl|work | not really long, no |
| 21:57:40 | perl|work | longest would be: /Music/The Emperor Machine - Vertical Tones & Horizontal Noise |
| 21:57:43 | perl|work | i think |
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| 22:00:11 | amiconn | If your paths (including the filename part) exceed 255 bytes _in utf-8 representation_, the fat driver will resort to using shortnames for those paths |
| 22:00:43 | perl|work | thats what i thought |
| 22:00:53 | amiconn | But Dh247 doesn't look like a shortname |
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| 22:01:06 | amiconn | (shortnames must be uppercase) |
| 22:01:10 | perl|work | but those text files came from folders with relatively short pathes |
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| 22:06:35 | Llorean | The Gigabeat controls do seem slightly odd to me, they don't line up with other targets. |
| 22:06:56 | amiconn | perl|work: They were literally *.txt ? |
| 22:06:56 | Llorean | The center of the cross is "Select" in the Filetree, but "Play" in the WPS. |
| 22:06:56 | BHSPitMonkey | what are the means of having a plugin produce sound? |
| 22:08:18 | perl|work | Llorean what's odd about it? taking into account we're talking about the center of the "cross" |
| 22:08:29 | perl|work | amiconn yes |
| 22:09:10 | perl|work | i think its quite intuitive to press it for select and play/pause |
| 22:09:15 | Llorean | perl|work: On other targets the "Select" button doesn't suddenly change to Play/Pause in the WPS |
| 22:09:32 | Llorean | In WPS it does what the Power button currently does. |
| 22:09:34 | amiconn | Llorean: It's a perfect line-up with the archos recorders |
| 22:09:39 | mattzz | Llorean, does it make sense to put some information regarding the Sansa recovery mode on the wiki pages? I would be willing to do so but it could also make more people playing around with it... |
| 22:09:46 | amiconn | (where the center button actually *is* Play) |
| 22:09:51 | Llorean | amiconn: Play/Pause resumes on Archos though. |
| 22:09:59 | Llorean | It doesn't do select, does it? |
| 22:10:00 | Bagder | mattzz: sure it would make sense |
| 22:10:01 | amiconn | No it doesn't |
| 22:10:05 | Llorean | That's my gripe |
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| 22:10:11 | amiconn | On resumes |
| 22:10:13 | Llorean | It should either be Play/Pause or Select, not change between screens |
| 22:10:17 | Llorean | Ah |
| 22:10:19 | Llorean | Odd. |
| 22:10:21 | amiconn | (which isn't the center) |
| 22:10:22 | DataGhost | argh.. always easy to find out *after* compiling and installing that rockbox doesn't have an ext2 driver :P |
| 22:10:32 | Bagder | haha |
| 22:10:38 | mattzz | Bagder, I have a question regarding the recovery mode. Should we make a clear warning, _not_ to put any bootloader files there? |
| 22:10:40 | DataGhost | I thought I'd show you a nice movie of a working bootloader+rockbox on 5.5G 80GB |
| 22:10:42 | DataGhost | but no :P |
| 22:10:49 | amiconn | Llorean: Imho it depends on how the controls are labeled |
| 22:10:52 | Llorean | amiconn: I'll admit I haven't played with my Archos too much. I can't get the thing to charge, still. =/ |
| 22:11:03 | Llorean | amiconn: They aren't labelled at all on the Toshiba. |
| 22:11:04 | Bagder | mattzz: yes, that should really not be done in any common case |
| 22:11:18 | Llorean | We use the "On" button for resume in the filetree, and to go back to the filetree without stopping from the WPS. |
| 22:11:28 | colorblindjimbo | Hey guys, I have a question. I'm trying to install rockbox with the rockbox installer. Everytime I try to get it to see my iPod as a disk under explorer it stays for a bit 30 seconds, then goes away. Is there anyway to make it showup permanetly? |
| 22:11:31 | mattzz | Bagder, BTW I sent my brick back, waiting for replacement - I learnt my lesson... |
| 22:11:41 | Bagder | hehe |
| 22:11:48 | dan_a | mattzz: The warning should be "ONLY copy .mi4 files. .rom if you HAVE to. Don't format the recovery partition. Don't try ANYTHING unless you have to!" |
| 22:12:08 | mattzz | dan_a, got it! thanks. |
| 22:12:11 | linuxstb | colorblindjimbo: Which rockbox installer? |
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| 22:12:36 | mattzz | dan_a, Is there a list of error-codes of the bootloader (e.g. -1 = OF not fount)? |
| 22:13:00 | mattzz | argh, I should check the sources.... |
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| 22:13:06 | colorblindjimbo | http://www.kreator666.gabeandco.info/rockbox/index.html |
| 22:13:11 | colorblindjimbo | the one from there. |
| 22:13:12 | perl|work | Llorean do you think the controls can be altered/improved? |
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| 22:13:14 | Llorean | colorblindjimbo: Notice that's not from rockbox.org |
| 22:13:14 | n1s | mattzz: bootloader/ipod.c |
| 22:13:23 | mattzz | nls, thanks! |
| 22:13:33 | linuxstb | colorblindjimbo: Which ipod do you have? |
| 22:13:39 | colorblindjimbo | 5g video. |
| 22:13:44 | n1s | oh, sansa, but I guess they're the same |
| 22:14:06 | Llorean | perl|work: In my opinion they should mirror the controls on the other software codec targets. Whatever button you use to launch a song/playlist (the one other than 'right' that does it) should also clear the WPS back to filetree, and Play/Pause should be the resume button. |
| 22:14:10 | linuxstb | colorblindjimbo: Then I would recommend following the instructions in the manual. |
| 22:14:23 | linuxstb | The installer is both unofficial and out of date. |
| 22:14:31 | colorblindjimbo | Ok. |
| 22:14:34 | colorblindjimbo | Thank you. |
| 22:14:40 | Llorean | Though I'm surprised "On" got chosen as "Resume" rather than say "A" |
| 22:14:45 | Llorean | I would've made "On" into "Stop" |
| 22:15:02 | amiconn | That sounds weird |
| 22:15:07 | perl|work | yes, that meant to switch around for a while now |
| 22:15:12 | perl|work | be |
| 22:15:20 | perl|work | switched* |
| 22:15:22 | amiconn | Almost like windows requiring to push the Start button for shutting down |
| 22:15:37 | linuxstb | Or PLAY to shut down... |
| 22:15:40 | Llorean | I would say "Center" should be Play/Pause/Resume, "A" should be an alternate for Select (and return to filetree from WPS), and "On" should be Stop |
| 22:15:59 | Llorean | Er, "Power" rather than "On" |
| 22:16:28 | DataGhost | hm..? |
| 22:16:33 | perl|work | Llorean yes |
| 22:16:40 | DataGhost | even the developer+debug version of rockbox fails without an error on the 80GB? |
| 22:17:09 | Bagder | there's a developer+debug version? |
| 22:17:13 | DataGhost | I just see the splash screen, nothing else.. not even a message about an unreadable partition table |
| 22:17:21 | DataGhost | well... 22 d dl in ../tools/configure |
| 22:17:22 | DataGhost | :) |
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| 22:17:41 | Llorean | perl|work: My main concern is just that on most of the targets I own at least, the buttons do certain things on certain screens, and on the Gigabeat they change which button they're analogous to when you get to the WPS. |
| 22:17:45 | habana | any news about AMS ? |
| 22:18:01 | habana | austria..... |
| 22:18:08 | Bagder | nope |
| 22:18:10 | perl|work | Llorean id love the volume keys to change the volume globally, it was the idea from the start |
| 22:18:10 | Llorean | amiconn: Do you know much about the hardware fault in Archos Recorders for the battery connectors? |
| 22:18:18 | Bagder | not other than Linus might go there |
| 22:18:38 | Llorean | perl|work: There's really very little reason they shouldn't, either, unless they were to be used for PgUp PgDwn instead |
| 22:19:04 | Bagder | Llorean: Linus is pretty familiar with those problems |
| 22:19:39 | Llorean | Bagder: Ah. My AJBR20v1 won't charge, but it doesn't show any other signs than 'it doesn't charge'. It detects the charger, it says its charging, and power ever so slowly drains. |
| 22:19:56 | Bagder | oh |
| 22:20:03 | Bagder | that sounds unusual |
| 22:20:06 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 22:20:10 | Llorean | It's a 3rd party charger though |
| 22:20:19 | Zagor | Llorean: afair, a busted charging regulator gives those symptoms |
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| 22:20:47 | Llorean | Zagor: So at this point the batteries just need to be charged externally? |
| 22:20:57 | Zagor | yes, if I'm right |
| 22:21:18 | Llorean | Ah well. |
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| 22:22:31 | BHSPitLappy | so... is there anyone here who could tell me, or direct me to examples of, how to produce a beep in a plugin, at a given frequency? |
| 22:23:16 | Llorean | BHSPitLappy: Aren't the only plugins with sound Doom and Rockboy? |
| 22:23:31 | BHSPitLappy | perhaps |
| 22:23:33 | amiconn | Metronome too |
| 22:23:47 | BHSPitLappy | yeah, metronome... but it does sound in an insane way... |
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| 22:24:06 | linuxstb | How? |
| 22:24:12 | BHSPitLappy | mattzz, can you elaborate on this at all? |
| 22:24:30 | BHSPitLappy | linuxstb, big blocks of raw pcm data or something |
| 22:24:48 | mattzz | BHSPitLappy, sorry I wasn't listening |
| 22:24:58 | mattzz | BHSPitLappy, elaborate on what? |
| 22:25:04 | BHSPitLappy | mattzz, I'm looking into how to get a plugin to produce sound. |
| 22:25:25 | Zagor | BHSPitLappy: well you need to create the sound data yourself. there's no built-in synthesizer in the rockbox core. |
| 22:25:25 | BHSPitLappy | I looked at metronome.c as a reference, and it blew out a chunk of my brain. |
| 22:25:55 | mattzz | yeah, I am a sick person, I know |
| 22:26:02 | BHSPitLappy | :) |
| 22:26:25 | n1s | BHSPitLappy: perhaps this is what you are looking for http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/test_sampr.c?revision=11889&view=markup |
| 22:26:58 | BHSPitLappy | wow, perhaps it is... |
| 22:27:17 | mattzz | BHSPitLappy, I simply took a little sound, converted it to mp3, put it in an array and used rb->mp3_play_data(sound, sizeof(sound), callback); |
| 22:27:35 | BHSPitLappy | I see |
| 22:27:47 | mattzz | mp3 conversion was done offline.... |
| 22:27:55 | BHSPitLappy | the thing n1s pointed out looks to be exactly what I want to make, basically |
| 22:28:09 | BHSPitLappy | I intend to try and make a tone generator... |
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| 22:30:21 | mattzz | BHSPitLappy, depends on the hardware. If it can do pcm playback test_sampr should do it. |
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| 22:30:32 | BHSPitLappy | iPod? :/ |
| 22:31:12 | linuxstb | Is it just me, or does this poster keep bumping his thread? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7184.msg65202;topicseen#msg65202 |
| 22:31:37 | colorblindjimbo | Gah, I'm trying to install rockbox, and my ipod will not stay visable as a drive. It goes away after about 10 seconds. |
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| 22:32:01 | linuxstb | Have you enabled the "enable use as a disk" option in itunes? |
| 22:32:04 | colorblindjimbo | I'm using windows. |
| 22:32:08 | colorblindjimbo | yes. |
| 22:32:27 | colorblindjimbo | Wait, I did but it went away, Now its enabled... hmm |
| 22:33:13 | colorblindjimbo | Nvm, Lol <−−moron |
| 22:35:13 | mattzz | what other port is using bootloader/ipod.c besides ipods and sansas? |
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| 22:35:35 | Bagder | mattzz: the sansa isn't using it |
| 22:35:46 | n1s | matzz, I think only the ipods use that file but much of the code is the same |
| 22:35:56 | dan_a | sansa uses bootloader/main-pp.c |
| 22:36:22 | n1s | dan_a: are the error codes the same as for ipods |
| 22:36:58 | dan_a | n1s: Off the top of my head, I don't know - let me check |
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| 22:37:51 | n1s | dan_a: it's not important, just that the ipod code has verbose messages so it's easier to look ther when someone shows up with some strange errror |
| 22:37:57 | n1s | -r |
| 22:38:10 | tucoz | Does this diff look ok, or do any of the swcodec targets implement the browse firmwares feature? http://pastebin.ca/326118 |
| 22:38:13 | mattzz | dan_a, looks like the same error codes in main-pp |
| 22:38:28 | linuxstb | n1s: barrywardell has written a patch to unify the bootloaders - it just needs testing by LinusN on the brickable iriver targets. |
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| 22:38:58 | n1s | linuxstb nice, does it have the friendly errors? |
| 22:39:03 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 22:39:07 | dan_a | I've got half a mind to implement an errno.h, so all the errors in the code change to things like "return -ETIMEOUT" |
| 22:39:20 | n1s | tucoz: I don't even know what it's supposed to do... |
| 22:39:45 | tucoz | The browse firmwares is a way to load original firmwares from disk |
| 22:39:48 | tucoz | i think |
| 22:40:13 | tucoz | as the recorders etc keep their fw as files on disk |
| 22:40:21 | linuxstb | tucoz: It's not a feature of the audio codec though... |
| 22:40:27 | tucoz | i know |
| 22:40:47 | linuxstb | So I think it's a bad #define to use. |
| 22:40:51 | tucoz | me too |
| 22:40:55 | tucoz | hehe |
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| 22:41:23 | mattzz | I am not allowed to move topics in the wiki? |
| 22:41:23 | linuxstb | It should work on any target where rolo is working. |
| 22:41:54 | tucoz | it does not work on the h120 for instance |
| 22:42:17 | tucoz | or rather, the feature is not needed on a h120 |
| 22:42:25 | tucoz | (imo) |
| 22:42:38 | Llorean | tucoz: It could become needed in the future. |
| 22:42:43 | amiconn | You can put different rockbox versions into /.rockbox |
| 22:42:50 | amiconn | Then it does do something |
| 22:43:21 | n1s | but it's not very useful on any of the swcodec targets IMO |
| 22:43:55 | amiconn | It's not extremely useful on any target in fact |
| 22:44:05 | tucoz | amiconn, i think it was you who told me that it was a useful feature on the mas targets, as you could browse the original fw. |
| 22:44:07 | linuxstb | So just delete it? |
| 22:44:23 | linuxstb | You can still browse firmwares in the file browser. |
| 22:44:46 | Llorean | I agree it should be removed. |
| 22:44:50 | amiconn | tucoz: Yes, you can. But who would use the of when you can use rockbox (except in rare cases which don't apply to any archos) |
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| 22:45:05 | Llorean | With the iPods, where it is potentially *most* useful since the retail firmware, iPL, and other Rockboxes can be loaded from disk, you can still just launch them from filetree |
| 22:45:14 | amiconn | So either keep it for all, or remove it for all |
| 22:46:17 | tucoz | Ok. i think that feature has a rather limited user base so i vote for removal |
| 22:46:22 | Bagder | me too |
| 22:47:09 | linuxstb | Quick, someone commit. |
| 22:47:31 | Llorean | That's many votes for removal, and I'm not sure if there's even any agains. |
| 22:47:36 | BHSPitLappy | If the glove don't fit, you must commit! |
| 22:48:45 | amiconn | Llorean: Well, I do keep a copy of the of on my archoses, in case I want to show the huge difference between of and rockbox |
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| 22:48:57 | amiconn | Not that I would need that often... |
| 22:49:12 | Llorean | amiconn: But that's still accessible through the filetree anyway, isn't it, if you really must get to it? |
| 22:49:27 | amiconn | Yes, as long as rolo itself is kept |
| 22:49:35 | amiconn | I don |
| 22:49:55 | amiconn | 't think "Browse firmwares" adds a significant amount of code though |
| 22:50:04 | amiconn | It's just a sub-browser |
| 22:50:04 | Llorean | Probably next to none. |
| 22:50:21 | Llorean | But it's a very small step toward cleaning up the menus. |
| 22:50:34 | BHSPitLappy | Too small, if you ask me. I say leave it. |
| 22:50:44 | Llorean | Why? |
| 22:50:50 | * | BHSPitLappy j/k... |
| 22:52:34 | Llorean | I'm actually not really fond of any of the "Browse XXXX" items in the menu, personally |
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| 22:53:24 | amiconn | Llorean: Why not? Browsing /.rockbox manually is cumbersome because it's hidden |
| 22:53:30 | amiconn | (and should be, imho) |
| 22:53:53 | Llorean | amiconn: I don't think Fonts, Themes, and Plugins need to be hidden. But that one's not something I'll argue for, it's personal preference is all. |
| 22:53:57 | bluebrother | most users will only want complete themes |
| 22:54:09 | Llorean | .rockbox should stay hidden, but \Themes, \Fonts, and \Plugins could go in the root |
| 22:54:25 | bluebrother | so, anyone who actually wants to set something different knows what he's doing |
| 22:54:28 | amiconn | Nah, I wouldn't want to pollute my root with these folders |
| 22:54:34 | bluebrother | urgh. No more folders in the root |
| 22:54:40 | tucoz | or rockbox could be without the . and keep the themes fonts and plugins in there |
| 22:54:51 | amiconn | tucoz: Equally bad, imho |
| 22:54:57 | Llorean | Well at that point it makes it more immediately clear to a user that they're in Rockbox once they've booted (instead of all the people who try to immediately ROLO) |
| 22:55:25 | bluebrother | we could put a text file into the root called "play me first" |
| 22:55:31 | Llorean | And knowledgeable users could still readily clean up the root. |
| 22:56:07 | bluebrother | I'd rather have a "browse system files" entry in the menu which browses .rockbox |
| 22:56:10 | amiconn | I normally have "show files" set to supported and wouldn't expect to see anything but my music folders (plus a very few files I deliberately placed there) |
| 22:56:26 | Llorean | As I said, I'm not arguing in favour of doing it the way I described. |
| 22:56:27 | bluebrother | and remove those "browse xyz" entries except themes and plugins |
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| 22:56:38 | Llorean | I'm quite sure I'm one of the few people who'd like it that way, without all the 'browse' entries in the menus |
| 22:56:52 | amiconn | bluebrother: I dunno, it obviously depends a lot on how you use rockbox |
| 22:57:26 | bluebrother | hmm. But you could simply "browse system files", and then go to "fonts" ... |
| 22:57:27 | amiconn | E.g. I *never* use 'Browse themes', but I do use 'Browse .cfg files', 'Browse fonts', 'Browse wps files' etc |
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| 22:57:52 | bluebrother | so it's one click more, but it's less used |
| 22:58:14 | amiconn | bluebrother: Hmm, and see the whole crap in .rokbox as well? (e.g. viewers/, eqs/ etc)? |
| 22:59:06 | bluebrother | as font and wps need to match I don't see a reason for an average user to set cfg / font separately |
| 22:59:09 | Hans-Martin | I've got a completely different question: is there some skeleton code showing how one would record, process and play audio data in a plugin? |
| 22:59:15 | amiconn | Some files and folders in /.rockbox aren't meant for direct access, and hence should be hidden |
| 22:59:33 | bluebrother | eqs are also simply configuration files |
| 22:59:40 | amiconn | bluebrother: Font and wps need to match? How so? |
| 22:59:51 | amiconn | That's not true for text-only wps'es |
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| 23:00:09 | Zagor | amiconn: yes it is. even text-only can't handle too large fonts. |
| 23:00:15 | bluebrother | and I don't see a reason not to load a eq cfg from some browser |
| 23:00:26 | linuxstb | Hans-Martin: No, I don't think anyone has done that yet, but the necessary functions were recently added to the plugin API. |
| 23:00:53 | tucoz | speaking of text-only. the unicode-graphical wps in the forums was a nice idea |
| 23:01:08 | linuxstb | Yes, but many fonts would work with the same WPS. |
| 23:01:19 | amiconn | bluebrother: We can either show each sub-dir separately as we do now, or browse the whole .rockbox dir, which is ugly, imho |
| 23:01:50 | tucoz | linuxstb, would or wouldn't work? |
| 23:01:51 | Llorean | bluebrother: With many, many WPSes, Fonts are only "Less than X high" for compatibility. |
| 23:02:12 | tucoz | linuxstb, forget it. i misunderstood |
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| 23:02:35 | bluebrother | yes, some fonts are interchangeable for some wps. |
| 23:02:43 | colorblindjimbo | My Ipod won't boot into regular Apple OS anymore. When it says "booting into original framework", it just reboots again. |
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| 23:03:17 | bluebrother | but unless you know that (or try it) you'll most probably use a wrong one and get disappointed |
| 23:03:19 | colorblindjimbo | Anyone have a clue whats wrong? |
| 23:03:39 | Llorean | colorblindjimbo: Didn't you say you were using the Unofficial Installer? |
| 23:03:43 | Hans-Martin | linuxstb: I've already written a simple plugin that tries to shuffle samples from audio input to output, but it locks up the player |
| 23:03:43 | bluebrother | like those "everything looks broken" bugs with users forgot to install the fonts package |
| 23:03:45 | colorblindjimbo | Nope. |
| 23:03:48 | colorblindjimbo | I used the manual |
| 23:04:07 | Llorean | colorblindjimbo: you were asking for information on the installer earlier. |
| 23:04:14 | Llorean | I thought |
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| 23:04:25 | colorblindjimbo | I was going to use the installer, but it wouldn't work. So I decided to take ur advice and use the manual. |
| 23:04:35 | Llorean | What iPod do you have? |
| 23:04:44 | linuxstb | colorblindjimbo: Are you sure the installer didn't change anything on your ipod? |
| 23:04:45 | colorblindjimbo | 5g video |
| 23:05:09 | colorblindjimbo | I also have IPODLinux installed, will that cause complications? |
| 23:05:32 | Llorean | Yes |
| 23:05:43 | Llorean | Unless you removed their bootloader first. |
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| 23:06:12 | colorblindjimbo | So I should revert back to the oringinal IPod, and try it again? |
| 23:06:21 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 23:06:23 | colorblindjimbo | without IPodLinux. |
| 23:06:35 | colorblindjimbo | Ok. |
| 23:07:07 | | Quit Wiwie (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) |
| 23:07:29 | Hans-Martin | well I'll try a little more... |
| 23:07:31 | Calinz | hi :) i'm looking for rockbox-sansa-in-progress-nosound-dual-boot-19-12-2006 thx for help :) |
| 23:07:32 | Hans-Martin | bye folks |
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| 23:07:46 | Bagder | Calinz: que? |
| 23:08:14 | Calinz | que ? english ? |
| 23:08:18 | Calinz | or spain :o |
| 23:08:20 | Llorean | Calinz: If that's a filename, it's unofficial. |
| 23:08:31 | Calinz | yeah it's a file name |
| 23:08:38 | Llorean | And this is the Official Rockbox Channel |
| 23:08:39 | Bagder | Calinz: you might want this => http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Install |
| 23:08:44 | Calinz | coz i'm trying install doom on my sansa |
| 23:09:21 | Calinz | in the version that i'm talking you got " game folder" @ root of sansa and not in rockbox folder |
| 23:09:21 | dan_a | Calinz: Where did you get that filename from? You're the second person who's asked for it... |
| 23:09:39 | Llorean | Calinz: Why does it matter where you put the files, though? |
| 23:09:39 | colorblindjimbo | Crap. I uninstalled Rockbox, and now its just in like an infinite loop. |
| 23:09:51 | mattzz | Bagder, could you please check for correctness: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaTroubleShooting |
| 23:09:52 | Calinz | coz mb i want play doom ^ |
| 23:10:05 | Llorean | Calinz: You can play Doom with newer versions of Rockbox too... |
| 23:10:09 | Zagor | http://www.google.com/search?q=rockbox-sansa-in-progress-nosound-dual-boot-19-12-2006 |
| 23:10:18 | linuxstb | colorblindjimbo: Hold SELECT+PLAY to force it into disk mode (as it reboots - when you see the apple logo) |
| 23:10:21 | Calinz | i tryed |
| 23:10:27 | Calinz | but still say me "bad wad" |
| 23:10:45 | Bagder | mattzz: it can say -1 if rockbox.e200 isn't installed as well |
| 23:10:49 | Llorean | I'm guessing more along the lines of "Missing Base Wad" |
| 23:10:53 | colorblindjimbo | Ok, there :) thanks. |
| 23:11:10 | mattzz | Bagder, thanks, I will add that |
| 23:11:12 | Calinz | i put the rockdoom in the ".rockbox/doom" folder |
| 23:11:17 | Calinz | rockdoom.wad |
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| 23:11:25 | linuxstb | And doom.wad? |
| 23:11:36 | Calinz | mhh |
| 23:11:41 | Calinz | i put doom1.wad |
| 23:11:48 | Calinz | let's try only doom.wad |
| 23:12:03 | | Part lowlight |
| 23:12:36 | linuxstb | doom1.wad should be fine as well. See this page for instructions http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 23:13:07 | amiconn | LinusN: Hi, do you still have the archos player which had problems with ata poweroff? |
| 23:13:16 | amiconn | (the one with ROM 4.51 iirc) |
| 23:13:35 | Calinz | i was in this page ;) |
| 23:13:52 | Calinz | but they talk about rockdoom / doom1 and other wad :p no doom.wad ;) |
| 23:14:39 | Calinz | k |
| 23:14:49 | Calinz | i did with doom.wad |
| 23:14:57 | Calinz | still say "missing base wad" |
| 23:15:05 | * | Llorean goes to get his Sansa |
| 23:15:09 | linuxstb | Which Rockbox version do you have? |
| 23:15:14 | Calinz | the last one |
| 23:15:23 | Calinz | for sansa |
| 23:15:35 | linuxstb | You downloaded it from rockbox.org today? |
| 23:15:37 | LinusN | amiconn: i think i do |
| 23:15:42 | colorblindjimbo | So, just for conversation. What does it look like when you brick an IPod? |
| 23:15:43 | Calinz | yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 23:16:03 | Llorean | colorblindjimbo: Nobody has yet. |
| 23:16:16 | amiconn | LinusN: Could you perhaps test whether a similar procedure like on the H10 will fix the hang? |
| 23:16:34 | amiconn | (wait a few ticks after poweron before starting to access the disk) |
| 23:16:37 | LinusN | amiconn: i can do that, just not today |
| 23:17:17 | * | Llorean waits for the build to finish |
| 23:17:41 | linuxstb | colorblindjimbo: http://yorgle.cis.rit.edu/Image/2005/12/ipod_ipl.jpg |
| 23:18:04 | Calinz | lol |
| 23:18:10 | Calinz | nice pic ^^ |
| 23:18:18 | amiconn | This is in fact odd: ata_init() waits a whole second between poweron and first access, while ata_power_on() doesn't wait at all |
| 23:20:09 | LinusN | that is curious |
| 23:20:56 | Calinz | i read a guide for install doom on sansa "they talk about some missing files like /game folder @ root" |
| 23:21:08 | Llorean | Calinz: Doom works fine for me. |
| 23:21:11 | amiconn | ata.c line 957f and 764, respectively |
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| 23:21:21 | bluebrother | doom needs its files to be in /.rockbox/doom |
| 23:21:28 | Llorean | I put rockdoom.wad and doom1.wad in /.rockbox/doom, and rand doom from the plugins menu, chose "Doom Shareware" as my Game, and it worked. |
| 23:21:31 | Calinz | Llorean join #calinzor pls |
| 23:21:31 | bluebrother | it _was_ /games/doom before |
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| 23:21:44 | * | Zagor goes hunting for the earliest use of "brick" as a verb |
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| 23:22:20 | mattzz | Bagder, could you please move SansaTroubleShooting to SansaE200TroubleShooting? I am not allowed to. |
| 23:22:34 | linuxstb | `Zagor: My logs only go back this far - rockbox-20050202.txt:13.03.02 # <DMJC-L> will it become a brick? or will the old firmware still be useable? |
| 23:23:07 | Calinz | Llorean can you explain me how did you proced for get it UP ? |
| 23:23:21 | Llorean | Calinz: I put rockdoom.wad and doom1.wad in /.rockbox/doom, and rand doom from the plugins menu, chose "Doom Shareware" as my Game, and it worked. |
| 23:23:48 | Calinz | k let's try it |
| 23:23:52 | Bagder | mattzz: done! |
| 23:23:54 | amiconn | linuxstb: rockbox-20030331.txt74916.35.32 # <langhaarrocker> maybe you should have fixed the jb to a brick before wrapping it :) |
| 23:24:03 | mattzz | Bagder, thanks |
| 23:24:04 | Llorean | Calinz: You should've already tried it. That's what the PluginDoom page tells you to do. |
| 23:24:24 | amiconn | (first occurence of the word 'brick' in conjunction with a rockbox target in the irc logs |
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| 23:25:07 | Calinz | i'm a bit tired i though it was tellign to put "rockdoom.wad OR doom1.wad" |
| 23:25:27 | Calinz | oki |
| 23:25:40 | Calinz | so i put again "LASTED file i jsut download now for last build" |
| 23:25:52 | Calinz | put wad you told me in folder that you told me :) |
| 23:25:55 | amiconn | And for "bricked": rockbox-20050204.txt28010.30.31 # <Bagder> Linus is setting up some tools in order to be able to save "bricked" players after failed flashes |
| 23:25:58 | Llorean | Calinz: Linuxstb even asked you if you had both. |
| 23:26:13 | Calinz | and still ahve message "missing base wad" |
| 23:26:39 | linuxstb | Yes, February 2005 was a popular time for people using the word brick (first bootloader installs on the h1x0). |
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| 23:26:56 | Llorean | Calinz: How big is doom1.wad? |
| 23:27:20 | Calinz | i just downloaded it from the guide of rockbox.org |
| 23:27:28 | Llorean | And unzipped it? |
| 23:27:45 | Calinz | yap |
| 23:27:50 | Calinz | but wait i try something |
| 23:27:56 | Bagder | no use of "brick" in the mailing list before feb 2005 either, in this sense |
| 23:28:08 | linuxstb | So it came with the h1x0 port... |
| 23:28:48 | Zagor | yeah, but did we get it from somewhere else, or did we "invent" it by ourselves. because it's a very widespread verb now. |
| 23:28:49 | Calinz | Got it ! |
| 23:29:08 | Bagder | Zagor: I don't think we (knowingly) got it from the outside |
| 23:29:13 | Llorean | Zagor: I'd seen it in regards to firmware flashing on Routers before I discovered Rockbox. |
| 23:29:28 | Calinz | i remade the OF. file :p i don't understand .. but i had to do same yesterday for can read movie 1Hour more with dual boot of rockbox |
| 23:29:28 | Llorean | But I discovered Rockbox 'late' in the game, overall. |
| 23:30:05 | linuxstb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brick_%28electronics%29 |
| 23:30:24 | Calinz | thanx Llorean for your time :) all was good i jsut got some DD bug of my sans .. and OF. file got some error sometime |
| 23:30:47 | Zagor | linuxstb: yes, but this page was created in 2006, and contains no information about origin |
| 23:31:12 | linuxstb | Yep... This page was created in 2003 - http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/B/brick.html |
| 23:32:00 | Zagor | ah, thanks. although it's only listed as a noun, but that doesn't matter much. |
| 23:32:16 | Zagor | oh "somtimes verbed" |
| 23:32:27 | Llorean | I like the fact that verb is also verbed there. |
| 23:32:34 | Zagor | hehe |
| 23:33:27 | linuxstb | I'm guessing it's an old term, applied to any electronic device that can be broken in some way. |
| 23:33:59 | colorblindjimbo | Is it ok to install IPodLinux on my IPod, after I install rockbox? Or could it screw stuff up? |
| 23:35:27 | Nico_P | what do i have to do to save a setting with the new system ? |
| 23:35:45 | Llorean | colorblindjimbo: Basically, you pick whether you'd prefer Rockbox's bootloader or iPL's, then you install the second one without the bootloader. |
| 23:35:53 | Llorean | Nico_P: What do you mean? |
| 23:36:08 | Llorean | Everything works as it normally does, except that they save to a file instead of a sector. |
| 23:36:19 | Nico_P | Llorean: I mean in the code |
| 23:36:23 | colorblindjimbo | Ok, then use whichever ones bootloader to boot into the other one? |
| 23:36:58 | Llorean | colorblindjimbo: Yup, both our bootloader and theirs supports the other, except when sudden changes happen that break it. |
| 23:38:17 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I've started changing the cuesheet support to have it look for a cuesheet when an audio file is played |
| 23:38:26 | * | Zagor found a usenet post from 2000 |
| 23:39:27 | hcs | unsurprisingly the OED doesn't seem to have it |
| 23:39:46 | Zagor | :) |
| 23:39:56 | hcs | "Another favourite punishment..was that of ‘bricking’, which was done by bringing the knees close up to the chin and lashing the arms tightly to the knees." |
| 23:40:34 | Llorean | Showing that humans are easier to brick than iPods. Apple could advertise that. |
| 23:41:02 | Zagor | apparently it's a basketball term too |
| 23:41:10 | Llorean | Oh, yeah, I knew that one apparently. |
| 23:41:20 | Llorean | Though it was locked away somewhere until you mentioned it. |
| 23:41:50 | mattzz | could we please change the subject? ;-) |
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| 23:42:31 | Zagor | mattzz: this is history. it's important :) |
| 23:42:46 | mattzz | my Sansa is also history now |
| 23:42:51 | Llorean | Is there any way to make fields not settable by default on Flyspray (such as due date)? |
| 23:43:17 | bluebrother | Zagor, change the channel topic for historical reasons ;-) |
| 23:43:24 | Zagor | Llorean: not without patching, I think |
| 23:43:33 | Llorean | Ah well |
| 23:43:59 | Zagor | however we already have it patched, so that principle of mine is out the window anyway. I'll take a look. |
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| 23:45:34 | n1s | Bagder: could the "due date" field be disabled for normal users vreating a task in FS and can severity/priority be locked to low or something to prevent more "high/critical" severity feature requests? |
| 23:45:52 | Llorean | n1s: Read a few lines prior to yours. :-P |
| 23:45:58 | Bagder | haha |
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| 23:46:33 | mattzz | Bagder, I not dual boot was used on Sansa w/ rockbox and somebody does not have an original mi4 could he use one of the mi4 files on your page? |
| 23:46:39 | mattzz | I=if |
| 23:46:52 | Bagder | mattzz: yes |
| 23:47:03 | Bagder | the install page actually mentions that |
| 23:47:38 | mattzz | i c, you added it already |
| 23:48:05 | bluebrother | oh, a new version of FS is scheduled for next month ... |
| 23:48:19 | hcs | brickle, a. - Liable to break, easily broken |
| 23:48:30 | Bagder | I've pondered on getting a Rhapsody sansa to have a go at |
| 23:48:47 | Bagder | but I'll save that a bit more |
| 23:49:22 | Nico_P | LinusN: ping ? |
| 23:49:31 | n1s | Llorean: doh, my irc window was scrolled up so I didn't see the las hour or so of chat :-) |
| 23:49:43 | amiconn | Bagder: "Rhapsody sansa"? |
| 23:49:47 | LinusN | Nico_P: pong |
| 23:49:58 | BHSPitLappy | hcs, http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/5521/ibrick3rx.jpg |
| 23:50:14 | Bagder | amiconn: the "e2x0R" models, they are somewhat different than the "normal" ones and we don't yet run Rockbox on those |
| 23:50:40 | Bagder | "Rhapsody" being Reals DRM/music buying thing |
| 23:50:56 | amiconn | ah |
| 23:51:00 | Nico_P | LinusN: just wanted to know if you're ok with having cuesheet support work in "mp3 loads cue" mode as opposed to "cue loads mp3" which is the way all my current patches work |
| 23:51:01 | Bagder | obviously Real has been involved there and they have protected it better than the original one |
| 23:51:29 | Nico_P | It seems to make more sense the other way round and people prefer it i think |
| 23:51:30 | LinusN | Nico_P: i think "mp3 loads cue" is the way to go |
| 23:52:02 | Nico_P | cool... i've started to make the changes. it should be ready tomorrow |
| 23:52:10 | LinusN | nice |
| 23:52:38 | Nico_P | it does feel more consistent with the way embedded chapters would work |
| 23:52:46 | Nico_P | i'll try to have it as extensible as possible |
| 23:52:49 | linuxstb | Will it now be relatively easy to add subtrack information from other sources? e.g. embedded cues in FLAC files, or subtrack data for SIDs? |
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| 23:53:13 | Nico_P | linuxstb: i hope so but i don't really know how these work |
| 23:53:36 | Nico_P | linuxstb: you want my current patch ? |
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| 23:53:56 | LinusN | amiconn: doesn't the "car adapter mode" setting have to be in nvram? |
| 23:53:57 | linuxstb | It's OK, I can wait until you publish it. |
| 23:54:02 | Nico_P | ok |
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| 23:54:16 | Nico_P | i'll do that tomorrow, im' too tired to go on now |
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| 23:55:27 | Nico_P | i'm off, bye |
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| 23:56:10 | | Nick Everybody is now known as Everybody|away (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) |
| 23:57:00 | Zagor | ok, can someone who is not a developer in flyspray test the "add new task" page and see if "severity", "priority" and "due date" are disabled? |
| 23:57:14 | Zagor | don't submit the form, the fields should be grayed out/unclickable |
| 23:58:37 | pixelma | yes they are as well as "status" and "assigned to" |
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