| 00:00:05 | amiconn | Hmm, we don't allow anonymous bug reports any more? |
| 00:00:21 | * | amiconn thought we did for some reason |
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| 00:00:41 | Zagor | amiconn: I think we did for a while |
| 00:00:47 | * | amiconn tried fs on his linux box where he isn't logged in to flyspray |
| 00:00:49 | Zagor | but too much garbage came in |
| 00:00:56 | Zagor | pixelma: try now |
| 00:00:59 | amiconn | ah ok |
| 00:01:50 | Llorean | Anonymous reports far too often were drive-by, and you couldn't get a followup if you had problems reproducing it for yourself |
| 00:02:00 | pixelma | Zagor: I can still select a due date |
| 00:02:06 | preglow | amiconn: also, people had a tendency to report a bug, then never check on it again. when you have to reg your email, you don't have a choice anymore |
| 00:02:11 | Zagor | pixelma: ok, hmm |
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| 00:03:22 | Zagor | pixelma: now? |
| 00:03:35 | * | Zagor abuses the html |
| 00:04:59 | pixelma | no change |
| 00:05:16 | pixelma | it is still possible |
| 00:05:25 | Zagor | ok |
| 00:06:33 | n1s | heh, rockbox is listed as a project using flyspray on their page "Rockbox - media player software" |
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| 00:10:25 | Zagor | pixelma: try again? |
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| 00:10:50 | Zagor | javascripts are black wack-a-mole magic |
| 00:11:36 | Redbreva | No, Due date no longer gives a calender pop-up ;-) |
| 00:11:53 | Zagor | good |
| 00:12:11 | pixelma | right... just wanted to say that - but it still appears as link (just doesn't do anything) |
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| 00:13:08 | Zagor | yes, that is the intention |
| 00:14:27 | pixelma | sure :) |
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| 00:17:13 | linuxdante^mobil | hey all. |
| 00:17:37 | linuxdante^mobil | question: |
| 00:17:51 | linuxdante^mobil | is there any AV output for the ipod color to come concerning video? |
| 00:17:59 | Llorean | No. |
| 00:18:06 | Llorean | Probably not. |
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| 00:18:14 | Llorean | At least not 'soon' |
| 00:18:52 | linuxdante^mobil | :) |
| 00:18:52 | linuxdante^mobil | ok |
| 00:19:03 | linuxdante^mobil | (like the last statement, not the first one ;)) |
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| 00:19:27 | linuxdante^mobil | i'm already kinda pissed that you can't output psp video to television. |
| 00:19:49 | linuxstb | Then buy better devices... |
| 00:20:00 | linuxdante^mobil | hehe |
| 00:20:00 | linuxdante^mobil | :) |
| 00:20:46 | linuxstb | Apple and Sony are hardly known for giving freedom to their customers... |
| 00:22:08 | colorblindjimbo | Someone should make a dock that has USB ports and crap for Ipods. So you can plug in monitors and keyboards and mouses into your ipod. |
| 00:22:17 | colorblindjimbo | If thats even at all possible. |
| 00:22:47 | blargg | Has to be, since the iPod can communicate with a host PC via USB. |
| 00:22:48 | linuxdante^mobil | lol. |
| 00:22:51 | dewdude_ | i don't think that's possible |
| 00:23:06 | blargg | USB might be a bottleneck for video, though. |
| 00:23:28 | dewdude_ | ummm..thta wouldn't work anyway |
| 00:23:29 | hcs | if the dock was the host, yeah, possible... |
| 00:23:47 | blargg | Right, the dock would need its own CPU and stuff... making it kind of pointless. |
| 00:23:47 | dewdude_ | but why would you want a keyboard on the ipod anyway? |
| 00:24:00 | linuxdante^mobil | to play doom1^^ |
| 00:24:05 | dewdude_ | i mean, the ipod i believe has HOST stuff in it already |
| 00:24:16 | dewdude_ | so, it could in theory work....but there's the issue of coding it |
| 00:24:25 | dewdude_ | and reverse-engineering the usbhost functions |
| 00:24:29 | hcs | I don't think it does, but I don't know for sure |
| 00:24:50 | dewdude_ | i read in a doc that it did |
| 00:24:53 | dewdude_ | because of that ipod camera |
| 00:25:04 | dewdude_ | but, it's pointless anyway |
| 00:25:13 | colorblindjimbo | I bet with enough work it could work. It could turn into the worlds smallest laptop sorta thing. |
| 00:25:14 | dewdude_ | it's a msic player, yeah, it's cool to play doom |
| 00:25:17 | dewdude_ | but it's also pointless |
| 00:25:31 | hcs | I could get all the computation and storage I need from an iPod, it'd be better to carry that around than my cruddy old laptop |
| 00:25:56 | dewdude_ | hcs: that sounds like soemthing you should take up with the ipl crew...and not rockbox |
| 00:25:58 | hcs | heh |
| 00:26:00 | dewdude_ | that'd be too much work to implement for rockbox... |
| 00:26:11 | colorblindjimbo | I'm just talking in general. |
| 00:26:14 | hcs | well, I'm porting over the essentials |
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| 00:26:31 | dewdude_ | i mean, i think being able to play doom with rockbox is a tad over the top |
| 00:26:43 | hcs | It's a great demo, though. |
| 00:26:47 | Febs | colorblindjimbo: there are already devices out there like Treos and Windows Mobile devices. |
| 00:26:57 | dewdude_ | yes, demo |
| 00:27:00 | dewdude_ | that's where it should stop |
| 00:27:11 | colorblindjimbo | Yea, but it would be cool to do with an IPod as well. |
| 00:27:21 | dewdude_ | the point of rockbox, imho, is to be open source firmware replacement for media jukeboxes |
| 00:27:27 | dewdude_ | not a "let's play games" deal |
| 00:27:27 | hcs | true |
| 00:27:38 | colorblindjimbo | I'm talking hypothetically, I'm not talking about let's make rockbox do this. |
| 00:27:47 | dewdude_ | ohh |
| 00:27:54 | dewdude_ | hypothetically, anything is possible |
| 00:27:54 | colorblindjimbo | It's always cool to make something do something that it is not supposed to do. |
| 00:27:58 | Llorean | colorblindjimbo: Will, this is #Rockbox |
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| 00:28:32 | colorblindjimbo | I realise this, is there a rule against off-topic discussion? |
| 00:28:41 | dewdude_ | colorblindjimbo, actually, there is. |
| 00:28:43 | Llorean | Actually, yes. |
| 00:28:51 | colorblindjimbo | Oh, ok. Sorry then. |
| 00:29:02 | Llorean | You see the channel is logged, and many of us try to read through the logs to find out what we missed, and the more 'extra' there is, the harder that gets. |
| 00:29:04 | linuxdante^mobil | g2g |
| 00:29:06 | linuxdante^mobil | bye all |
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| 00:29:30 | dewdude_ | Llorean, any thought of having maybe a rockbox-offtopic room...for general chit-chat? |
| 00:29:44 | colorblindjimbo | Just about to ask that, :) |
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| 00:30:30 | blargg | OK, on-topic: It'd be nice to be able to use some C++ features in Rockbox. What is the current status of allowed languages? |
| 00:30:38 | Llorean | blargg: Rockbox is C. |
| 00:30:45 | Llorean | Fixed-point C even. |
| 00:30:48 | Llorean | Without malloc. |
| 00:31:13 | Llorean | dewdude_: You could maybe to a ##Rockbox or something, and even include support for unsupported builds or something. |
| 00:31:53 | dewdude_ | well..i know ubuntu, for example, has thier main support room then ubuntu-offtopic for general chit-chat |
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| 00:32:54 | Llorean | dewdude: I don't think there's much interest from the main people to do that, because they don't really come here to chitchat so they wouldn't have much use for such a room. |
| 00:33:12 | Zagor | blargg: many core devs are old farts that thinks C++ was just a sadistic joke anyway :) |
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| 00:33:49 | blargg | Some minimal C++ features are helpful and don't impose any run-time costs, like non-virtual member functions, |
| 00:34:05 | colorblindjimbo | Are there any better graphical interfaces I can install for Rockbox? Sorry I'm really new >_< |
| 00:34:24 | Llorean | colorblindjimbo: The menu is always text based, but there are many themes and WPSes |
| 00:34:26 | n1s | colorblindjimbo: no, but you can code one up ;-) |
| 00:34:29 | Llorean | See the WpsGallery in the wiki |
| 00:34:32 | dewdude | Llorean, understood...just thought it might be good to have around..in case some of us users who idle around here decide to chat about things that would otherwise clog up the room...but i see your position. |
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| 00:34:46 | Zagor | blargg: member functions do add runtime costs: object pointer must always be passed |
| 00:34:47 | Llorean | dewdude: Well, there's no reason someone couldn't start an unofficial one. |
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| 00:35:13 | blargg | Zagor, no more cost than manually passing a "this" pointer around. |
| 00:35:29 | colorblindjimbo | what is WPSes? |
| 00:35:35 | Zagor | blargg: exactly. who needs "this"? |
| 00:35:57 | blargg | Apparently using global variables results in poorer code, due to the way the compiler accesses them. |
| 00:35:57 | Llorean | colorblindjimbo: While Playing Screen. I suggest reading the manual some. |
| 00:36:18 | dewdude | Llorean, oh, i know..but i was hoping to maybe get some kind of acceptance so it could get mentioned on the website |
| 00:36:37 | blargg | At least for the ARM targets. |
| 00:36:42 | Zagor | blargg: hehe, we like a little more technical detail in our discussions :) |
| 00:37:22 | Llorean | dewdude: If it proved popular I'm sure it could be added to the IRC page. Maybe rockbox-community? |
| 00:37:27 | hcs | yes, I noticed a huge improvement when converting a codec using many global variables to passing around a const pointer to a struct containing them |
| 00:37:39 | fasmaie | Alonea: So I'm guessing you still have not received the power cord |
| 00:37:43 | blargg | In a CPU emulator in the critical loop, the compiler was spitting this out: |
| 00:37:44 | blargg | ldrr3, .L458 ; r3 = pointer to CPU_remain_ |
| 00:37:44 | blargg | ldrr2, [r3, #0] ; r2 = CPU_remain_ |
| 00:38:38 | blargg | It even did this twice in the instruction dispatch, reloading .L458 twice, rather than once and caching it. |
| 00:39:20 | blargg | If you use a "this" pointer, then the access becomes a single ldr r2,[this,#offset] |
| 00:39:27 | Zagor | blargg: so a poorly optimising compiler is worked around by using C++? if pointer passing is more efficient, simply use that instead. |
| 00:39:51 | dewdude | Llorean, i like the ring of that. I shall create the room and hope popularity spreads. |
| 00:40:23 | blargg | The poor optimization is worked around by manually passing around a "this" pointer to functions, and making code more verbose with this-> everywhere. Switching to C++ enables use of a member function, eliminating this verbosity. |
| 00:40:53 | Llorean | dewdude: Just try to make sure it doesn't split the support base. People shouldn't be going there for anything remotely technical (except maybe WPS design, I suppose) |
| 00:40:57 | blargg | That's all I was saying, is that C++ offers some tools that make code easier to work with, without imposing any run-time cost. |
| 00:41:27 | dewdude | Llorean, i put in the topic that support for offical builds is to come here. |
| 00:41:27 | Zagor | it also offers a huge pile of tools to hide and obfuscate code. tools that C++ programmers tend to enjoy using to the max. |
| 00:41:51 | * | amiconn 'oh-noes' |
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| 00:42:32 | amiconn | Bagder: Is it intentional that the svn build page still has no side menu? |
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| 00:43:42 | linuxstb_ | Zagor: Could you move these two files to http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ ? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/mbr-3g-40gb.bin and http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/mbr-video80gb-2048.bin |
| 00:44:26 | Zagor | sure |
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| 00:45:21 | Zagor | done |
| 00:45:29 | linuxstb_ | Thanks. |
| 00:45:29 | Alonea | fasmaie: yup. there is a message at the warehouse saying "give me a damn eta so pissed off customer can shut up" well, its nicer than that, but essentially. |
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| 00:48:10 | preglow | blargg: whether using pointers to structs instead of global vars make better code depends on the arch you're on |
| 00:48:48 | preglow | also how clever the compiler is |
| 00:49:29 | preglow | blargg: one reason why c++ wouldn't fit well in rockbox, is that it pretty much needs dynamic memory allocation to be maximally useful, and rockbox doesn't do that, and with good reason too |
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| 00:50:08 | blargg | I'm thinking gcc might be able to do it efficiently. I also noticed that function calls on ARM used a three-instruction sequence rather than a single bl. The three-instruction sequence is to support functions compiled with THUMB instructions, but it even did this when the called function was static and known to not be THUMB. |
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| 00:50:37 | safetydan | What's the status of newer GCC versions for coldfire? |
| 00:50:48 | safetydan | Or are we still stuck with 3.3.x? |
| 00:50:49 | hcs | maybe there is a switch to discourage thumbisms? |
| 00:51:16 | blargg | preglow, true, porting average C++ code would require everything on the stack/global, so allowing C++ in Rockbox would be beneficial mainly for code written specifically for Rockbox. |
| 00:51:23 | hcs | hmm, -mno-thumb-interwork |
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| 00:51:25 | preglow | blargg: no, that's not the cause, the cause is that we're forced to make gcc do long calls |
| 00:51:42 | n1s | safetydan: I think 4.0 works ok and maybe 4.1 but after that they broke something in the command passing to as |
| 00:51:57 | n1s | afaiu |
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| 00:52:01 | linuxstb_ | I thought that was just one specific version of 4.1? |
| 00:52:10 | Llorean | safetydan: I thought Coldfire was 3.4.6 |
| 00:52:27 | hcs | -mnothumb-interwork is supposed to be the default, though |
| 00:52:27 | blargg | preglow, is that due to the way things are linked? I'd think the compiler would realize that a static function could be called however it pleases, since it knows the context it'll be called from. |
| 00:52:38 | n1s | linuxstb_: I could easily be wrong :-) |
| 00:52:44 | linuxstb_ | n1s: As could I :) |
| 00:52:55 | safetydan | Llorean, probably, I'm at work so don't have my x-compile environment around |
| 00:53:01 | preglow | blargg: it's because we have some code in iram, which is outside of the ordinary branc instructions call range, and we're not able to tell stupid gcc exactly which functions need long calling |
| 00:53:06 | linuxstb_ | blargg: It's to do with IRAM being > 32MB from DRAM. |
| 00:53:15 | amiconn | blargg: The three-instruction calls are also because sectioned compilation makes all calls far calls. Gcc is too stupid to make only those calls far calls which need to be |
| 00:53:15 | Llorean | safetydan: If I recall 3.3.x was the SH1 one before we moved it up to a 4 |
| 00:53:15 | blargg | Another idea (that might help with globals too) is to mark the entities are unexported (assuming GCC has a concept of exporting a symbol) |
| 00:53:30 | blargg | preglow, ahhh. |
| 00:53:56 | preglow | blargg: if we could tell gcc that, tens of kilobytes of jump code would be redeemed |
| 00:54:27 | blargg | What happens if you compile just the files that need this special sequence with different options? |
| 00:54:47 | * | amiconn thinks the whole concept which decides which function calls need to be far calls is flawed |
| 00:54:49 | preglow | blargg: problem is that gcc needs to use a call sequence which depends on exactly which function it is calling |
| 00:54:51 | amiconn | ...in gcc |
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| 00:55:03 | preglow | blargg: also, it also depends on which function it's currently compiling |
| 00:55:25 | amiconn | When putting code in sections, gcc should allow to specify _pairs_ of sections which need far calls |
| 00:55:57 | blargg | What I mean is, say you have function in_ram() which needs the special sequence when called. Put all calls to that in a special file and compile differently. If it's called from many places (including user code), write a forwarding function that users call normally. |
| 00:56:08 | blargg | (or maybe I don't understand the extent of the problem) |
| 00:56:10 | preglow | blargg: that would be very, very messy |
| 00:56:59 | fasmaie | perldiver: I have had the same problem over the last couple of days |
| 00:57:24 | fasmaie | perldiver: The player would just not play anything |
| 00:57:25 | perldiver | fasmaie the one im talking about in #gigabeat? |
| 00:57:30 | perldiver | ah yes |
| 00:57:35 | fasmaie | perldiver: Yes |
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| 00:57:58 | amiconn | blargg: The problem is that a function in dram that calls a function in iram needs to do a far call, and vice versa, while calls within the same ram area don't need to be far calls |
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| 00:59:04 | preglow | this really should be very easy for gcc to support |
| 00:59:35 | amiconn | The compiler could learn where each function lives from .h files - but it would need to allow declaring section pairs for far calls |
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| 00:59:55 | preglow | if jumping into a function tagged far-call in its declaration, use far calls. if jumping out of a far-called tagged function to a nontagged function, use a far-call, else, use short-call |
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| 01:00:17 | preglow | amiconn: why pairs? i only see the need to declare whether a function is far-call |
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| 01:00:18 | amiconn | As it is, putting a section into the function declaration in .h totally confuses gcc |
| 01:00:34 | amiconn | preglow: That's sub-optimal |
| 01:00:39 | preglow | amiconn: why? |
| 01:00:44 | hcs | preglow: what about calls between functions in the same far-space? |
| 01:00:52 | amiconn | If a function is declared far-call, it's far-call for all callers |
| 01:01:13 | amiconn | But e.g. an iram function needs to be far-called from iram, but not from dram |
| 01:01:15 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, i guess |
| 01:01:23 | amiconn | Bah, the inverse of course |
| 01:01:28 | preglow | but anyway, i think you can forget seeing any other apporach implemented |
| 01:01:28 | esy | hey everyone, sorry to interrupt, this might be a foolish question, but i have tried to search found nothing, is there a function rockbox to sleep rathering than shutting it down each time and consuming the battery? |
| 01:01:39 | blargg | Ahhh, so GCC needs to have a way that there are multiple "local" regions of memory, and which of these a given function is in. |
| 01:01:40 | Llorean | esy: No. |
| 01:01:41 | amiconn | Likewise, a dram function needs to be far-called from iram |
| 01:01:46 | esy | thx |
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| 01:02:04 | preglow | someone more knowledgable than me should definitely try to remap iram on ipods again |
| 01:02:17 | preglow | also, does anyone know how the memory is mapped on gigabeat? |
| 01:02:21 | amiconn | That wouldn't help |
| 01:02:22 | preglow | ahh, but that has an mmu, doesn't it |
| 01:02:29 | markun | preglow: I do |
| 01:02:40 | amiconn | (thinking about the 64MB models) |
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| 01:02:57 | markun | preglow: but I'm going to sleep |
| 01:02:57 | amiconn | Even on 32MB models iram remapping could cause problems with call distance |
| 01:02:58 | preglow | amiconn: if we mapped it to 0 it would help, heh |
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| 01:03:05 | amiconn | No it wouldn't |
| 01:03:05 | blargg | I take it that if GCC assumes a "near" call, that the link will fail since the machine code can't be patched up (unless the linker inserted "thunks" that the near call landed on and was whisked to the far code). |
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| 01:03:23 | preglow | amiconn: why not? all the code located at the end of mem uses pointers to call functions anyway |
| 01:03:33 | amiconn | I don't think you can map dram to an address which is not a multiple of its size |
| 01:03:42 | preglow | amiconn: no, i don't so either |
| 01:03:50 | preglow | so it's pretty hypothetical |
| 01:03:55 | amiconn | So if you map iram to 0, you need to map dram to 32MB |
| 01:04:12 | amiconn | ...and then you still have the problem |
| 01:04:31 | markun | checkout the mmu file in the gigabeat target tree |
| 01:05:13 | linuxstb_ | What do you use your 4KB of IRAM for on the gigabeat? |
| 01:05:26 | amiconn | The gigabeat port can probably be changed to use near calls only |
| 01:05:43 | amiconn | (by proper mmu remapping) |
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| 01:06:20 | preglow | anyway, it annoys me greatly that gcc is too stupid to allow even the non-optimal approach |
| 01:06:30 | preglow | it should be such a simple thing to support |
| 01:06:52 | preglow | and using only that, we could reclaim lots of space |
| 01:07:20 | amiconn | We could in fact reclaim space by just ditching sectioned compilation |
| 01:07:43 | amiconn | But then we need some special tweaks to convince gcc to not optimise too much |
| 01:08:29 | amiconn | ...otherwise it won't do far calls in some situations and then stumble upon its own flaws |
| 01:08:43 | amiconn | -fno-optimize-sibling-calls iirc |
| 01:09:07 | amiconn | For some reason sections are 16-byte aligned |
| 01:09:22 | amiconn | (iirc) |
| 01:09:29 | markun | amiconn: why does the mapping matter? |
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| 01:10:43 | preglow | the mapping is all that matters |
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| 01:11:10 | preglow | i don't even think mapping matters much |
| 01:11:22 | preglow | unless you use your iram like we do on other targets, and afaik, you don't |
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| 01:13:12 | amiconn | markun: Is there any code in iram on gigabeat? |
| 01:13:22 | amiconn | If not, the mapping shouldn't matter |
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| 01:16:05 | markun | amiconn: no, there isn't |
| 01:16:09 | rds | Hello. I'm using the Database in Rockbox, but I don't want it to manage my podcast directory. Is there any way of telling Database to ignore a directory? |
| 01:16:16 | preglow | markun: didn't you use dma for hd accesses on gigabeat? |
| 01:16:27 | markun | preglow: yes |
| 01:16:55 | Llorean | rds: Nope. It has been suggested that such a feature would be welcome though |
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| 01:17:02 | markun | amiconn: but the bootloader still needs long calls |
| 01:17:06 | preglow | then why did you even bother testing the ata asm patch? :> |
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| 01:17:32 | amiconn | preglow: gigabeat uses dma for aligned, but plain C for unaligned |
| 01:17:56 | markun | because the speed with DMA was not very high so I was curious what the ASM code would do |
| 01:18:20 | preglow | okies |
| 01:18:27 | rds | Llorean: yes, it would be good. |
| 01:21:01 | rds | I'm thinking in a kind of itunes for rockbox (or maybe a plugin for amarok). Is there any attempt to do that? |
| 01:21:57 | rds | Or maybe rockbox could be a MTP device? |
| 01:22:15 | sneakums | rds: rockbox doesn't really need a client. you just plop the files on the device, and either use the database or the file tree. |
| 01:23:27 | pixelma | JdGordon: morning... gotta nag you - it seems like on my Ondio config.cfg is written everytime nvram.bin is (i.e. during pure playback without changing settings, where only resume position and so on changes) |
| 01:24:21 | JdGordon | pixelma: it is.... atm there is no way to say which needs writing.... thats coming up today or tomorow maybe |
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| 01:24:44 | rds | sneakums: yes, but for thngs like podcasts it just doesn't work because they are mp3 files, but you dont want it to be managed as a mp3 file. You don't want it to be logged for submitting to last.fm, etc.. |
| 01:25:02 | JdGordon | those settings are moving into a new struct which couldnt be done using the old config system |
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| 01:25:17 | Llorean | rds: MTP is pretty much considered BAD. You shouldn't need drivers for your DAP, is the general consensus. |
| 01:25:54 | markun | amiconn, preglow: with long calls: 452208 bytes, without: 391468 bytes |
| 01:26:08 | pixelma | JdGordon: but that means that it needs a long time to write (visible as described in the test results about your previous patch) |
| 01:26:39 | preglow | markun: *sigh* |
| 01:26:41 | JdGordon | pixelma: yeah, like i said.. this will be fixed really soon |
| 01:26:55 | preglow | that's what i call a bloody significant percentage of the code |
| 01:27:24 | rds | Llorean: I agree that MTP is bad, just an example. But I'm looking for a way of integrate desktop apps with portable devices |
| 01:27:28 | pixelma | JdGordon: hopefully very soon... |
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| 01:27:43 | Llorean | rds: Just create a plugin that updates / reinits the Rockbox database. |
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| 01:28:45 | JdGordon | anyone know what the svn equivilant of cvs up -dPC is (so it updates all files and nukes your changes) ? |
| 01:29:04 | markun | JdGordon: svn revert |
| 01:29:22 | markun | "svn revert -R ./" I think |
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| 01:29:39 | sneakums | yeah, revert then update, it looks like |
| 01:29:39 | JdGordon | that dosnt update tho... no way to do it? |
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| 01:30:23 | sneakums | at least revert is local, so it should be fast |
| 01:30:29 | rds | Well. I'll expose what I'm dreaming to do with rockbox. I want to have amarok to manage my music. Then I want it to be sinchronized with my rockbox Database. I mean, play count, recently played, etc. ... |
| 01:30:40 | Llorean | rds: Then have amarok write the rockbox database, as I said. |
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| 01:31:34 | sneakums | a librockboxtagcache would be nice to have |
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| 01:31:50 | sneakums | then i could update from the host after rsync, instead of making the poor player do it |
| 01:32:14 | rds | Llorean: I'm just tryng to expose ideas and maybe someone reading this could have better ideas and the skill to implement them. |
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| 01:32:40 | sneakums | skill, plus time and inclination |
| 01:32:52 | sneakums | in general the best way to make something happen is to do it yourself |
| 01:32:54 | werdplay | can i install rockbox on my 30gig video ipod 5.5? |
| 01:32:58 | sneakums | consider it a learning opportunity! |
| 01:33:03 | sneakums | werdplay: yes. |
| 01:33:26 | sneakums | werdplay: just follow the regular ipod installation intructions on the web site. |
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| 01:34:22 | rds | sneakums: yes, I want to contribute to rockbox. I'm just beginning to read code, and exposing ideas. I agree that librockboxtagcache would be great for integration with desktop apps |
| 01:35:47 | werdplay | k thanks |
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| 01:38:10 | rds | Well. I'll continue reading rockbox code. Thanks to all! |
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| 01:42:17 | ctaylorr | Hi. I notice that the cross-session configuration has been moved to a file. Does this spell an end to the whole `settings changes in rockbox cause your settings to reset' quirk? |
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| 01:50:28 | JdGordon | ctaylorr: yes |
| 01:50:32 | JdGordon | mostly... |
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| 01:52:44 | JdGordon | anyone know a quick script to find and replace "blaa" in all .c files under a directory? |
| 01:53:28 | ctaylorr | JdGordon: find . -name '*.c' | while read file; do sed 's/blaa/something/g' < "$file" > tmp && mv tmp "$file"; done |
| 01:53:41 | JdGordon | cheers |
| 01:54:06 | sneakums | sed also has a -i option to edit in place |
| 01:54:13 | sneakums | dunno if that's a GNU addition though |
| 01:54:20 | ctaylorr | sneakums: likely is. |
| 01:54:32 | sneakums | "If it's useful, GNU added it!" |
| 01:54:42 | ctaylorr | sneakums: I was just about to type that... |
| 01:55:08 | sneakums | heh |
| 01:55:16 | ctaylorr | sneakums: this is so true. w/o GNU extentions, expect huge pipelines. |
| 01:55:40 | JdGordon | damn that was quick :pp |
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| 02:06:38 | * | argonel just bought an e250 |
| 02:08:39 | rds | Since the database was renamed. Can I just delete the old tagcache_*.tcd files? |
| 02:08:47 | JdGordon | yes |
| 02:09:00 | rds | JdGordon: Thanks! |
| 02:09:00 | JdGordon | you should have database_*.tcd files now |
| 02:09:58 | rds | JdGordon: Yes I have them. |
| 02:10:33 | amiconn | JdGordon: Why wouldn't it be possible to distinguish which part changed (settings or status)? |
| 02:10:55 | amiconn | You could just have 2 callbacks instead of one |
| 02:11:12 | JdGordon | 2 save functions you mean? |
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| 02:13:01 | amiconn | yes |
| 02:13:09 | JdGordon | anyway, ive moved the nvram settings into a new struct and added a status_save() function to just save them, they are still saved with settings_save but you should notice a difference saving resume info |
| 02:13:40 | amiconn | That'd be independent from splitting the struct (although that might be a good idea anyway) |
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| 02:14:22 | JdGordon | thanks to ctaylorr above that became a lot les painful than i thought.. so its all done, just checking if any plugins use those settings |
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| 02:14:47 | JdGordon | pixelma: still up? |
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| 02:15:25 | ctaylorr | JdGordon: np. |
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| 02:16:23 | pixelma | JdGordon: not really... ;) |
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| 02:17:03 | JdGordon | awake enough to test? im 99% sure it works :p |
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| 02:19:01 | pixelma | hmm - I'd rather do that later |
| 02:19:26 | JdGordon | :) |
| 02:19:58 | pixelma | did you put a patch somewhere? |
| 02:21:02 | JdGordon | jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/split_gs.patch">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/split_gs.patch |
| 02:21:07 | Hotfusion | I liked how my cowon firmware had that |
| 02:21:14 | Hotfusion | resume play after shutoff |
| 02:21:25 | BiptoN | did recording on the ipod get broken recently, or is it just my ipud? |
| 02:23:09 | linuxstb_ | Standard SVN builds don't record? |
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| 02:23:32 | pixelma | Hotfusion: I recommend reading the manual, especially the part about "resume on startup" (in playback settings or so) ;) |
| 02:23:51 | Hotfusion | yeah I hvn't messed with it enough yet |
| 02:23:53 | Hotfusion | heh |
| 02:24:08 | BiptoN | i just built todays and it locks up when i go to the record screen |
| 02:24:17 | Hotfusion | im def not going back to cowons firmware |
| 02:24:30 | BiptoN | i'll move my svn folder and get a fresh one and try again |
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| 02:31:27 | pixelma | JdGordon: I compile it now but don't think I'll test right now |
| 02:33:10 | linuxstb | BiptoN: Recording seems fine to me. |
| 02:33:30 | pixelma | JdGordon: at least it compiled fine ;) |
| 02:34:25 | BiptoN | alright it's my build than i must have a patche done on |
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| 02:36:07 | JdGordon | pixelma: :) ok, it apears to work fine in the sim, i think the speed difference wont be noticable on the h300 tho, but i will test before commiting |
| 02:37:24 | amiconn | There is one special setting (on archos recorders) that might need to be moved to nvram: car adapter mode |
| 02:37:36 | amiconn | This is because of the charging screen |
| 02:38:52 | JdGordon | ok, ill add it |
| 02:38:59 | rds | Are there already some utilities to read/write the tagcache files? ( besides itdb2tc.c ) |
| 02:39:15 | amiconn | Also, it might be a good idea to also write the nvram content to disk as well as the nvram, then on load use what's in nvram, and if nvram is invalid (i.e. batteries were removed) load them from file |
| 02:39:26 | amiconn | Not sure whether this is really important... |
| 02:40:03 | JdGordon | up to you... its easy to do |
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| 02:40:29 | amiconn | On h1x0 flashed this is also required, in a different way |
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| 02:40:51 | amiconn | We only use the eeprom when we're flashed |
| 02:42:19 | amiconn | JdGordon: Did you check the size change with your patch? |
| 02:42:37 | amiconn | Size might even go down a bit just by splitting the structs |
| 02:42:48 | amiconn | s/by/due to/ |
| 02:42:50 | JdGordon | not yet |
| 02:43:02 | JdGordon | it shouldnt by a lot tho should it? |
| 02:43:08 | amiconn | no |
| 02:43:26 | amiconn | The SH1 is better in addressing small structs than large structs |
| 02:43:31 | pixelma | hmm... deleting the config.cfg and then loading made it fall back to default setting - and I noticed that the contrast setting for the display my Ondio has is off (there are two types IIRC) - don't know when this happened though |
| 02:43:51 | pixelma | default settings I mean |
| 02:43:57 | amiconn | It can use immediate offsets (i.e. a single instruction) for offsets up to 15 |
| 02:44:42 | JdGordon | ... thats the 4 resume settings in the new struct |
| 02:44:46 | amiconn | ...and the index is scaled, i.e. it's 15 bytes, or 15 shorts, or 15 ints |
| 02:44:55 | JdGordon | oh.. nice |
| 02:45:09 | amiconn | No, it can address the whole status struct with immediate offsets |
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| 02:48:55 | perldiver | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8370.0 |
| 02:49:00 | perldiver | erm? |
| 02:49:29 | JdGordon | pixelma: ah yes, forgot about that... the problem is (iirc) the archos' dont have a define for the default contrast so it uses 40 when it should calll lcd_default_contrast(). |
| 02:49:50 | amiconn | urgh |
| 02:50:24 | JdGordon | yeah :p, na I can fix that fairly easily |
| 02:50:36 | * | JdGordon 's todo list for the day is getting loooooooong |
| 02:50:50 | pixelma | hard to read here - I usually set it to 29 or 30 |
| 02:51:24 | amiconn | There can't be a fixed define because the archos can have 2 lcd types, detected at runtime (by one of the hwmask bits) |
| 02:51:50 | JdGordon | yeah, pixelma 31 is the default on your i assume... |
| 02:51:58 | amiconn | yes |
| 02:52:04 | amiconn | 31 or 49 depending on the lcd |
| 02:52:37 | JdGordon | ok, breakfast, then fix that.. |
| 02:52:49 | amiconn | This code is the same for all bitmapped archoses; however, I doubt that we'll ever see an Ondio with the old lcd type |
| 02:53:37 | pixelma | JdGordon: I know I said something else before - I tested your patch :P |
| 02:54:57 | rds | for what is it used the define PCTOOL ? |
| 02:55:42 | * | amiconn wonders why svn doesn't replace $id$ |
| 02:56:06 | pixelma | seems to work so far - but I only paid attention to how (fast) the nvram.bin gets saved. I don't know if theres's anything that might be broken wrt writing the config.cfg but I really have to stop here for now |
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| 02:56:27 | pixelma | (@ JdGordon) |
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| 03:00:48 | BiptoN | it was a COP build, my bad. |
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| 03:03:03 | hcs | er, there seem to be some screwy things going on with latest CVS... my ipod comes up in recording mode, the right and left buttons are backwards, and nothing plays |
| 03:03:40 | XavierGr | hcs check the option in the recording screen |
| 03:03:58 | XavierGr | there is an option there that will make the player boot on the recording screen |
| 03:04:11 | Llorean | I'd say just reset the settings and see if that clears things up |
| 03:04:15 | amiconn | svn starts to annoy me, even though it also has advantages :/ |
| 03:04:33 | hcs | *SVN, yeah |
| 03:04:44 | JdGordon | pixelma: ok |
| 03:04:50 | hcs | how does one get to the options in the recording screen?> |
| 03:05:21 | hcs | nm |
| 03:05:51 | XavierGr | the option name is "Show recording screen on Startup" |
| 03:06:05 | hcs | yeah, found it, I just reset settings anyway |
| 03:06:29 | hcs | it must involve the new .cfg thing, because I had the same thing happen when I was testing that |
| 03:06:33 | amiconn | JdGordon: Hmm, what does current rockbox do if config.cfg isn't found? |
| 03:06:43 | amiconn | It should reset settings to default... |
| 03:06:59 | pixelma | it just did here.. |
| 03:07:15 | JdGordon | it should... settings_reset is called at the begingin of main(), so there shouldnt be a roblem if its not found |
| 03:07:16 | hcs | I think I have a file called config.cfg that isn't what it is expecting |
| 03:07:30 | hcs | I saved config to config.cfg once before |
| 03:07:46 | amiconn | That shouldn't be a problem I think |
| 03:08:04 | hcs | when is the config saved, on shutdown? |
| 03:08:31 | amiconn | Either on the next spinup after a change, or on shutdown if still dirty |
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| 03:09:15 | hcs | it was odd that the controls were reversed, is there an option somewhere for that? |
| 03:09:50 | JdGordon | yeah, the upside-down setting does that |
| 03:10:01 | hcs | ah |
| 03:10:33 | amiconn | Display flip flips the controls which are 'logical' to flip |
| 03:10:48 | amiconn | (on ipod it's only Left <-> Right) |
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| 03:14:07 | JdGordon | are the funcs at the end of the plugin api ready to be moved ? i need to bump the api number... |
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| 03:14:25 | Llorean | What for? |
| 03:14:59 | JdGordon | changes to global_settings means a api bump |
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| 03:15:13 | Llorean | Ah |
| 03:15:42 | JdGordon | /* Keep these at the bottom till fully proven */ <- i dont know if this is for all the funcs or just the recording ones.. |
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| 03:16:47 | safetydan | amiconn, svn has to be told explicitly to expand keywords in files |
| 03:16:50 | safetydan | it's one of the file properties |
| 03:17:50 | safetydan | svn:keywords apparently |
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| 03:25:26 | nobbipodder | hello can some one plz help me wth rockboy i have read what i can but still confused |
| 03:25:46 | argonel | eek, svn keywords |
| 03:27:46 | nobbipodder | can any one help plz? |
| 03:28:29 | Febs | We can't help unless you actually ask a question. |
| 03:28:30 | Llorean | nobbipodder: You haven't asked a question we can answer yet. |
| 03:28:42 | nobbipodder | or give a site that shows how to save rockboy and make the screen bigger cause its tiny |
| 03:28:52 | Llorean | nobbipodder: Try the Menu button |
| 03:28:57 | nobbipodder | those r the 2 proms |
| 03:29:09 | nobbipodder | what about it?? |
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| 03:29:47 | nobbipodder | a site or an aim sn would b help full |
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| 03:30:22 | Llorean | nobbipodder: What MP3 player do you have? |
| 03:31:08 | nobbipodder | 5g vid ipod |
| 03:31:27 | Llorean | nobbipodder: Turn hold on and off, does that bring up a menu? |
| 03:32:35 | nobbipodder | u mean shut it on and off? |
| 03:32:49 | Llorean | shut what? |
| 03:32:57 | Llorean | I'm fairly certain what I said was clear. Though I do mean do it IN rockboy |
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| 03:33:47 | nobbipodder | ya sure the thing comes up... |
| 03:34:19 | daurn | where is the wavpack codec src files? |
| 03:34:41 | nobbipodder | any one have a link? |
| 03:34:47 | Llorean | nobbipodder: A link for WHAT? |
| 03:35:17 | sneakums | daurn: apps/codecs/, looks like. there's wavpack.* and a directory, libwavpack |
| 03:35:38 | nobbipodder | info on how to make the game boy screen bigger and save wen im in the middle of the game, plz and sry 4 suckin at this |
| 03:36:02 | Llorean | nobbipodder: What are the option in the menu in Rockboy? |
| 03:36:47 | nobbipodder | hold up 1 sec |
| 03:36:49 | daurn | sneakums: thanks |
| 03:37:25 | Soap | regarding "brick" as a verb - It was used in 2004 in the WRT54G alternative firmware forums. (I know 4 hours too late to this conversation) |
| 03:37:44 | nobbipodder | like u mean:recent bookmarks, sound settings, gen. sets,... |
| 03:37:53 | Llorean | nobbipodder: No, I told you to do it IN Rockboy |
| 03:38:04 | Llorean | And I told you to turn Hold on and Off |
| 03:38:05 | Mouser_X | Yes, I remember that quite specifically. |
| 03:40:23 | nobbipodder | ok im in rockboy and i did it and nothin ghappen just a lock apears then goes away |
| 03:41:35 | Llorean | nobbipodder: My mistake, hold the center button |
| 03:41:41 | Llorean | I could've sworn we used the hold toggle like in doom. |
| 03:42:24 | BiptoN | linuxstb: you have any idea why the recording screen locks up when selected on a cop build? |
| 03:42:34 | nobbipodder | k did it now u want me 2 list right?:playlist,play list cat.,rename,cut,copy |
| 03:42:39 | BiptoN | i'm getting over 5 hours runtime with this build now |
| 03:42:43 | Llorean | nobbipodder: You're NOT IN ROCKBOY |
| 03:42:49 | sputnikrent | quick question, can install rockbox on my 60gb 5g ipod immediately without installing the drivers that came with it? |
| 03:42:50 | BiptoN | if recording worked I'd be dialed |
| 03:43:17 | Llorean | sputnikrent: As long as your computer sees it as a disk, yes. |
| 03:43:24 | nobbipodder | buttonmyes i am i was and then i held the center |
| 03:43:34 | Llorean | nobbipodder: No, you weren't. |
| 03:43:42 | Llorean | nobbipodder: Were you playing a gameboy game? |
| 03:44:09 | nobbipodder | no |
| 03:44:17 | Llorean | Then how come you said you were in Rockboy? |
| 03:44:22 | sputnikrent | Llorean> thanks. i seem to have all that covered but i get -1.. |
| 03:44:23 | Llorean | The plugin is not active unless you're playing a game. |
| 03:44:24 | nobbipodder | ur talkin about the center button |
| 03:44:40 | nobbipodder | now u tell i was in the folder god like i no what 2 do |
| 03:44:46 | Llorean | nobbipodder: I'm talking about holding the center button WHILE IN ROCKBOY. As in, WHILE PLAYING A GAMEBOY GAME |
| 03:44:48 | nobbipodder | sry |
| 03:44:53 | Llorean | I didn't EVER say in a folder. |
| 03:44:55 | Llorean | I said In Rockboy |
| 03:44:59 | Llorean | The plugin. |
| 03:45:17 | Llorean | How am I supposed to know what you've got folders named on your device? |
| 03:45:18 | nobbipodder | god why u got 2 b all whinny i dont no im tryin 2 get help |
| 03:45:25 | Llorean | sputnikrent: That means rockbox.ipod isn't found in \ |
| 03:45:42 | Llorean | nobbipodder: I gave you very explicit directions, but you seem unable to listen to them, or use proper English. |
| 03:46:04 | Febs | sputnikrent: follow the instructions here to install a Rockbox build to the root of your player: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-100002.2.2 |
| 03:46:14 | Llorean | sputnikrent: did you extract a rockbox.zip into the root of the ipod? Like, H:\? You should have H:\rockbox.ipod and H:\.rockbox\ (except H is whatever drive letter the iPod has) |
| 03:46:43 | nobbipodder | i def have rockbox.ipod |
| 03:46:43 | sputnikrent | Llorean> ahhah! okay i think that might be it |
| 03:46:49 | sputnikrent | Febs > gotcha |
| 03:46:58 | Llorean | nobbipodder: That wasn't directed at you, notice the name at teh beginning of the line? |
| 03:47:08 | Llorean | nobbipodder: Please, try to pay at least a LITTLE attention, I've told you exactly what to do. |
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| 03:50:31 | sputnikrent | woohoo! thanks guys! |
| 03:53:20 | sputnikrent | okay so this is my first ipod so i'm not sure if this is normal, but the transfer rate seems pretty bad |
| 03:53:27 | nobbipodder | hey ok thx dude sry didnt pay attention (it was teh hold button btw) i got it now |
| 03:53:44 | sputnikrent | is that regular? |
| 03:54:14 | Llorean | sputnikrent: The Apple Emergency Disk Mode has somewhat slow transfer |
| 03:54:23 | Llorean | If you manually boot into the original firmware you'll get better rates in many cases |
| 03:54:53 | sputnikrent | is that the only way i can transfer files with rockbox on it? |
| 03:55:08 | Llorean | Original Firmware or Emergency Disk Mode, for the time being |
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| 03:55:18 | Llorean | In-Rockbox USB is still a ways off |
| 03:55:23 | sputnikrent | hm okay. how do i boot into original firmware? |
| 03:55:31 | sputnikrent | i see. |
| 03:55:42 | Llorean | sputnikrent: That one's covered rather nicely in the manual. :-P |
| 03:55:50 | sputnikrent | okay cool, i'll go look for it |
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| 03:56:32 | JdGordon | Llorean: you have a recorder yeah? |
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| 03:59:02 | Llorean | JdGordon: When it's charged, yes |
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| 04:00:48 | Llorean | JdGordon: Did you need something? |
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| 04:01:15 | JdGordon | I thought i did... does it have the contrast setting? |
| 04:01:29 | daurn | JdGordon: hi |
| 04:01:31 | Soap | So...with JdGordon's recent move of the config settigns from a (super-secret) hard drive sector to a config.cfg file...the question arises. Will the hold-switch-during-boot-for-settings-reset feature still work? |
| 04:01:48 | JdGordon | Soap: yes |
| 04:01:50 | JdGordon | hey daurn |
| 04:01:57 | Soap | sweet, thankyou. |
| 04:01:59 | daurn | sup |
| 04:02:47 | JdGordon | nm |
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| 04:03:17 | JdGordon | can anyone with an ipod or any of the archos please test a patch for me? |
| 04:03:24 | Llorean | JdGordon: Yes, it has a contrast setting |
| 04:03:39 | JdGordon | can you test a patch please? |
| 04:04:11 | Llorean | JdGordon: Unfortunately, not really. I have people showing up very soon, I think. |
| 04:04:19 | JdGordon | ok |
| 04:04:25 | Llorean | I can test it later tonight, or tomorrow morning though. |
| 04:04:30 | Llorean | If you don't find someone before then |
| 04:04:42 | JdGordon | Soap: wanna test this for me? |
| 04:05:02 | Soap | sure |
| 04:05:07 | Soap | though you scare me |
| 04:05:30 | JdGordon | hehe na, this patch is very safe, I just need to make sure it sets the default contrast right |
| 04:05:43 | JdGordon | you want me to build for you or send you the patch? |
| 04:05:55 | daurn | bbiab - need to restart |
| 04:06:12 | Soap | build it if you could, I'm currently zipping up my root.fs. |
| 04:06:18 | Soap | 5thGen |
| 04:06:18 | JdGordon | which ipod? |
| 04:06:22 | Soap | 22 |
| 04:06:35 | JdGordon | great |
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| 04:07:34 | Llorean | The color ipods have a contrast setting? |
| 04:07:50 | JdGordon | oh, yeah, damn... na your no good :p |
| 04:07:59 | Soap | I was going to ask than, but JdGordon seemed so excited...;) |
| 04:08:07 | Soap | *that even |
| 04:08:16 | sneakums | JdGordon: my h120 has a contrast setting, but i won't be back home for a few hours yet |
| 04:08:27 | Soap | jorry Jd. |
| 04:08:28 | JdGordon | :( ok |
| 04:08:35 | Soap | (lordy fingers) *Sorry |
| 04:08:37 | Llorean | JdGordon: You can't test what value it sets it to in the Simulator? |
| 04:08:40 | Llorean | Just to see what number it is? |
| 04:09:14 | JdGordon | hmm... yeah that would work, |
| 04:10:00 | Joely | hey, don't mean to bother, but i can't seem to get rockbox to _fully_ load (into graphical) on my sansa..it loads the image fine, says the checksum is fine...but then it just sits there. I don't know if it's a problem with my host system? It's a toolchain built on a powerpc..maybe something got messed up endian wise? |
| 04:10:57 | sneakums | Joely: i haven't had problems building for coldfire and arm on powerpc |
| 04:11:07 | JdGordon | Joely: did you extract rockbox.zip onto it? |
| 04:11:10 | Llorean | Joely: What do you mean "into graphical"? What screen does it sit at? |
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| 04:11:40 | Joely | JdGordon, yes, i did |
| 04:12:01 | Joely | and it sits at the Sum: 29DDDC2 line |
| 04:12:19 | JdGordon | does the svn build work? |
| 04:12:36 | Joely | this is svn |
| 04:12:45 | Llorean | Joely: No, like one downloaded from rockbox.org |
| 04:13:47 | Soap | arm-elf-gcc is used for Gigabeat? and the recomended version for Gigabeat is also 4.0.3? |
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| 04:14:41 | Soap | (ditto for the H10?) |
| 04:14:55 | Llorean | Soap: H10 uses the same processor as some iPods. |
| 04:16:11 | Joely | Llorean, should i try the build from rockbox.org now? i mean, it _used_ to work...but then I got all depressed and decided not to work. haha. so i took rockbox off for a little while, but i want to start my little project again. :) |
| 04:16:11 | Soap | I'm putting the final touches on the coLinux wiki page and just realized I didn't do a test compile for the Gigabeat / H10 |
| 04:16:56 | JdGordon | Soap: if you have the right arm version for the ipods then your fine |
| 04:17:05 | Llorean | Joely: Try an official build, then try a build without any patches made from the right version toolchain. |
| 04:17:12 | Soap | thank you JD. |
| 04:17:16 | Llorean | If you can use rockboxdev.sh to set up your toolchain. |
| 04:17:17 | Joely | yes sir! |
| 04:17:24 | Joely | oh, i did |
| 04:17:28 | Soap | all zipped up and FTPing to the host. |
| 04:17:43 | Llorean | So try an official build first, and see if it at least works. |
| 04:17:50 | Joely | ok |
| 04:18:18 | daurnimator | woot! |
| 04:20:36 | * | JdGordon wonders what the explosion sound coming from the direction of daurnimator's place is.... |
| 04:20:40 | JdGordon | :D |
| 04:21:00 | daurnimator | i got a package |
| 04:21:05 | daurnimator | woot |
| 04:21:07 | daurnimator | its my pda |
| 04:21:10 | daurnimator | 2 weeks early |
| 04:21:39 | daurnimator | now i'm a happy chappy |
| 04:21:45 | JdGordon | nice |
| 04:22:15 | daurnimator | woot |
| 04:22:18 | daurnimator | free usb dongle |
| 04:23:39 | daurnimator | oh fsck |
| 04:23:42 | daurnimator | manual is in japanese |
| 04:24:04 | JdGordon | haha |
| 04:24:15 | Soap | English manual will arrive in two weeks. |
| 04:24:22 | daurnimator | no |
| 04:24:26 | daurnimator | i know it was imported |
| 04:24:28 | daurnimator | ;) |
| 04:24:32 | daurnimator | just |
| 04:24:33 | Soap | no |
| 04:24:36 | daurnimator | expected an english section |
| 04:24:38 | Soap | it was a joke. |
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| 04:35:54 | theone | can batteries accumulate air? |
| 04:37:14 | Soap | no, is you LiIon battery swollen? If so you NEED to replace it - for safety reasons. |
| 04:39:40 | theone | is there a way to tell that it is in fact swollen? it only _seems_ like it might have a little more air than it did...but I'm not sure |
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| 04:40:49 | Soap | Take your calipers to it today, and again next week. A swelling battery will often continue to swell until either it fails violently or the internal circuitry disables it, depending on the battery. |
| 04:41:39 | theone | what causes it to fail? |
| 04:41:46 | theone | I mean swell |
| 04:42:13 | theone | and what dangers are there with a swelling battery |
| 04:42:20 | Soap | I am familiar with the symptom, not the cause unfortunately. |
| 04:43:41 | Soap | A LiIon/LiPoly battery can fail in many ways. 1) Stops working 2) Internal circuitry decects fault and disables it 3) Fire 4) Explosion. |
| 04:44:43 | daurnimator | ha, JdGordon: you should see this thing :D |
| 04:44:57 | JdGordon | its nice is it? |
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| 04:45:28 | Soap | JdGordon: my coLinux image is up, you can remove yours. Thank you ever so much again. |
| 04:45:45 | JdGordon | np, :) |
| 04:45:46 | theone | none of those have happened yet...but yeah it's definitely 'spacier' than my stock battery I still have lying around |
| 04:45:58 | theone | cheap battery? |
| 04:46:35 | Soap | or plain old defective if new, as your forum thread suggests. |
| 04:48:01 | | Part safetydan |
| 04:48:13 | theone | replaced it in november after it would cut off after a short time of usage...http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7215.msg58042#msg58042 |
| 04:48:28 | JdGordon | any of the manual writers in here? |
| 04:49:16 | JdGordon | my latest commit should go into the manual... if you read the commit message you;ll see why I didnt add it :p |
| 04:54:31 | Febs | Are you talking about revision 12101? |
| 04:54:56 | theone | what is reverse charging? mentioned in the 5 question of http://mysymbolcare.symbol.com/battery/batbasics1.html |
| 04:55:01 | JdGordon | 12102 i think Febs |
| 04:55:03 | theone | *5th |
| 04:55:15 | daurnimator | JdGordon: very :D |
| 04:55:30 | JdGordon | Febs: no, 12103, its not on the front page yet |
| 04:55:53 | Febs | JdGordon: OK. I haven't gotten the e-mail yet either. |
| 04:56:04 | JdGordon | http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-20070124T034753Z.html |
| 04:56:33 | Febs | Ah. That's pretty cool. |
| 04:56:57 | JdGordon | :) |
| 04:57:38 | theone | "A critical issue with the pouch cell is swelling, which occurs when gas is generated during charging or discharging. Battery manufacturers insist that Li‑ion or Polymer cells do not generate gas if properly formatted, are charged at the correct current and are kept within allotted voltage levels." |
| 04:57:55 | theone | ....does rockbox use the right current/voltage levels for chraging? |
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| 04:58:08 | Xero | hello |
| 04:58:10 | Febs | I probably won't have time to do any more work on the manual until later this week, but if no-one gets to it first, I'll do it. |
| 04:58:39 | JdGordon | cheers |
| 04:58:50 | Xero | I just came across Rockbox today . I think it's great, but I do have a few questions that I can't seem to find answers for. |
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| 05:00:05 | Xero | Sorry. |
| 05:00:07 | Febs | theone: I believe that is controlled by the power management chip. |
| 05:00:32 | Xero | So if anyone can offer some quick help, I'd be grateful |
| 05:00:48 | Febs | theone: (but I'm not really a technical person so don't rely too heavily on my word.) |
| 05:00:54 | Febs | Xero: just ask your question. |
| 05:01:03 | Xero | Alright.. |
| 05:01:22 | theone | Febs, so rockbox has nothing to do with how much current/voltage the battery gets? |
| 05:01:22 | Xero | So I downloaded a theme, and some graphics don't line up where they're supposed to |
| 05:01:42 | Xero | I've tried playing around with settings multiple times but nothing seems to work properly. |
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| 05:02:02 | Febs | theone: I don't think so. But again, I emphasize that I'm not a technical person. People like LinusN or amiconn are better able to answer that. |
| 05:02:18 | Febs | Xero: did you download the font package? |
| 05:02:44 | daurn|zaurus | yo |
| 05:03:39 | Soap | theone: Reverse charging can happen because a "battery" is a collection of individual "cells". In high quality LiIon battery packs there is circuitry designed to prevent discharging the battery (and thus the cells) too far. This circuitry only works if the individual cells are matched. Matched cells are cells which have very close to identical discharge capacities and rates. The reason matched cells are important is because if you have (for example) |
| 05:03:39 | Soap | a three cell battery, and if two of those cells discharge from 1.2 to 0.5 volts in an hour of usage, yet the third cell discharges all the way to 0.2 volts in an hour, there will be a tendency for the two cells still at 0.5 volts to charge the third cell, leading to a bad situation where all the cells equalize at 0.4 volts, even though the charging circuitry in the device _thought_ it was smart enough to keep the battery itself at a safe 0.5 volts. |
| 05:03:39 | JdGordon | daurn|zaurus: wlan or gprs? |
| 05:03:51 | daurn|zaurus | wlan |
| 05:04:12 | Xero | I believe I did but probably not. I'll give it a try now. |
| 05:04:16 | daurn|zaurus | gprs is too expensive |
| 05:05:12 | Febs | Xero: that is the most likely cause of your problem. The second most likely cause is that the theme you are trying to use requires patches that are not part of the official Rockbox builds. |
| 05:05:34 | Febs | Check where you downloaded the theme, and see if the description indicates that any patches are necessary. |
| 05:05:34 | Soap | theone: And, yes, those numbers are totally made up. In a worst case situation an unmatched cell can discharge fully, continue to be drawn on since the pack as a whole is still in positive territory, and be pulled into a reverse situation. |
| 05:05:50 | Xero | Thank you. |
| 05:06:20 | Xero | My second question...Is there anyway to browse my music through artists and albums? |
| 05:06:31 | theone | Soap, so your explanation probably just means the battery was bad to begin with? |
| 05:06:35 | Febs | Yes, use the database. I believe it's chapter 4.2 of the manual. |
| 05:06:43 | Xero | Because it seems like a can browse music but it all appears in one big spot, and it's all incoherent letters |
| 05:07:00 | Febs | Ah, you have an ipod. |
| 05:07:19 | Soap | theone: IF that is the cause. Sitting on the dash of a hot can can be enough to vent NiMh/Nicads or rupture LiIons. |
| 05:07:23 | Xero | yeah, sorry. should have said that before |
| 05:07:26 | Soap | *hot car |
| 05:07:41 | Febs | Apple, in its wisdom, renames all of your files like that to make it difficult for you to deal with the files without using iTunes. |
| 05:08:02 | Xero | oh good. |
| 05:08:14 | Xero | Is there anyway to fix this? |
| 05:08:27 | Febs | But Rockbox's database function can find those files and allow browsing by tags. |
| 05:08:49 | Febs | Like I said, read chapter 4.2 of the Rockbox Manual. ;) |
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| 05:09:19 | Febs | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-350004.2 |
| 05:09:20 | Xero | Thanks Febs |
| 05:10:16 | theone | Soap, thanks. Maybe I charge mines incorrectly? I have the stock AC adapter, but I have an inverter that I use to convert the 12 volt dc from the car to the 115Vrms ac...could the inverter be the culprit? Anytime I drive I charge, and I'd say that out of all the time I use the device, it's 75% in the car |
| 05:10:44 | theone | and I say I use it about 6 hours a day |
| 05:10:51 | Soap | theone: I douby your inverter is to blame. |
| 05:11:54 | theone | what if voltage isn't stable...my car's electrical system isn't that good |
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| 05:12:05 | Soap | I constantly have one to a dozen LiIon batteries charging in my work-truck, all of my chargers run off my inverter. |
| 05:12:35 | Soap | theone: voltage instabilities and charging I can't speak to. |
| 05:12:38 | theone | how big is your inverter...mine is a small handheld 60watt one |
| 05:13:04 | Soap | 60 watts is more than enough to power your iRiver charger. |
| 05:13:04 | theone | that plugs in the accessory outlet |
| 05:14:28 | theone | hmm...I just don't want to have to buy another battery and put it under the same conditions which maybe made previous ones fail in the first place |
| 05:15:30 | theone | and especially if I conclude that old batteries were just cheap and I decide to spend some money on a recognized battery |
| 05:17:13 | theone | on another and entirely different note...I used to get stack overflows on startup from the tagdb |
| 05:17:40 | theone | a 'reboot' usually solved it |
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| 05:48:58 | Insectoid | The latest svn that messed with settings broke *every* patch! |
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| 06:00:16 | sneakums | Insectoid: such is the way of external development |
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| 06:11:04 | Hdaackda | hi, is there any way to display titles instead of file names in the playlist? |
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| 06:16:21 | Juddy | just a quick question. what is the difference between a daily build and a SVN build? and which is better |
| 06:16:23 | Juddy | ? |
| 06:16:42 | goffa | svn is up to the minute |
| 06:16:47 | goffa | daily is done every day |
| 06:16:51 | goffa | svn is more current |
| 06:17:06 | Hdaackda | goffa: is there any way to display titles instead of file names in the rockbox playlist? |
| 06:17:07 | goffa | i dunno about daily.. i wouldn't really say its more stable |
| 06:17:21 | goffa | you could switch to tag cache |
| 06:17:31 | goffa | but that sucks battery from what i hear |
| 06:17:45 | Juddy | ah, i see. thogh i cant imagine there would be all that much difference, dealing witht hose time periods |
| 06:17:55 | goffa | true |
| 06:17:57 | Juddy | thanks goffa |
| 06:17:59 | goffa | svn i'd say is better |
| 06:18:02 | goffa | because its more improved |
| 06:18:08 | Juddy | fair enuf |
| 06:18:08 | goffa | but daily is something you can fall back on |
| 06:18:12 | goffa | in the event that something breaks |
| 06:18:19 | Juddy | true |
| 06:18:29 | goffa | which rarely happens to be honest |
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| 06:23:26 | Juddy | u reckon 4db bass and trebble is a good amount goffa? |
| 06:23:31 | Juddy | how much do u use? |
| 06:31:36 | sneakums | Juddy: it depends on your player and headphones, i find 0 for each fine |
| 06:32:14 | Juddy | isnt more bass better if ure headphones can handle it? |
| 06:32:23 | sneakums | it's purely a matter of taste |
| 06:32:34 | sneakums | i like how my music sounds with 0, so i use 0 |
| 06:32:45 | Juddy | ah i see |
| 06:32:49 | Juddy | fair enuf |
| 06:32:56 | Juddy | i dont mind a bit of base thats all |
| 06:33:03 | Juddy | what kinda music u listen to? |
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| 06:33:59 | sneakums | sneakums/">http://www.last.fm/user/sneakums/ should give you an idea |
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| 06:36:46 | Juddy | ah cool |
| 06:36:51 | Juddy | i have some of the stuff u have there |
| 06:37:03 | Juddy | nomuch but a few things none the less hehe |
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| 06:38:06 | Juddy | Anyone, whats the best software to use to get your videos in a rockbox compatible form? |
| 06:40:47 | sneakums | Juddy: see PluginMpegplayer on the wiki |
| 06:41:25 | Hotfusion | I had some koss headphone from radioshack |
| 06:41:28 | Hotfusion | $20 but they wre nice |
| 06:41:42 | Hotfusion | but then they wwent bad and the RCA ones I have suck |
| 06:41:59 | Juddy | will do sneakums |
| 06:44:09 | Juddy | holy shite. gigabeat does better frame rates than an ipod video |
| 06:44:11 | Juddy | niice |
| 06:44:28 | Hotfusion | dumb question but the equalizer presets are already set right? |
| 06:44:34 | Hotfusion | I just have to enable the EQ? |
| 06:47:03 | Juddy | hotfusion: im a newb but i just enabled EQ and then chose a preset, in my case i chose rock |
| 06:47:08 | Juddy | and it seems to have worked |
| 06:47:22 | Juddy | so that would be a yes i think |
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| 06:50:45 | Hotfusion | I need to find a new pair of headphones |
| 06:50:51 | Hotfusion | $30-$40 |
| 06:50:56 | Hotfusion | over the ear type |
| 06:53:32 | bagawk | sennheiser |
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| 06:57:09 | Juddy | http://www.sony.com.au/catalog/product.jsp?categoryId=22381 |
| 06:57:13 | Juddy | i have these |
| 06:57:15 | Juddy | they are niice |
| 06:57:24 | Juddy | good bass |
| 06:57:44 | Juddy | id say they would be around ure price range in USD |
| 06:57:49 | Juddy | that site has them in AUD |
| 06:58:31 | dewdude | headphone discussion is better suited for #rockbox-community |
| 06:59:34 | Hotfusion | yeah im bout to go to bed |
| 06:59:36 | Hotfusion | l8tr |
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| 07:07:50 | * | midgey posts a rockboy patch |
| 07:07:52 | midgey | wee |
| 07:08:14 | BHSPitLappy | what is it? |
| 07:08:55 | midgey | should allow rockboy to run on all color targets |
| 07:08:58 | Llorean | BHSPitLappy: Screen dimensions |
| 07:09:12 | Llorean | midgey: What's the story with the blank line on H10? I would expect a horizontal line if anything. |
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| 07:10:21 | midgey | Llorean: it has to do with how the scaling code work, im not sure why |
| 07:10:37 | midgey | it drops 32 horizontal lines and 16 vertical lines |
| 07:10:39 | Juddy | hey anyone watched the elephants dream video on their player? |
| 07:10:58 | Juddy | it looks amazing on my gigabeat but the sound seems stuffed? |
| 07:11:22 | Juddy | is it like that on all players? |
| 07:11:29 | midgey | Juddy: there is no audio syncing |
| 07:11:31 | Llorean | Juddy: Did you set the framerate limiting to on? |
| 07:11:47 | Juddy | yer |
| 07:11:47 | Juddy | i did |
| 07:11:47 | Juddy | it fixed it a bit |
| 07:11:58 | Juddy | but still not useable |
| 07:12:51 | Llorean | Juddy: Well then wait for mpegplayer to be finished. |
| 07:13:03 | Juddy | when is that expected? |
| 07:13:27 | Llorean | When someone does it. |
| 07:14:04 | Llorean | There are a lot of other things that need working on that have to do with audio, and that's generally considered the core focus, so it may be a long time unless someone drops in and picks it up |
| 07:15:23 | * | Llorean wonders if Rockboy could benefit from multicore. |
| 07:15:38 | Llorean | Or does it monopolize the CPU already? |
| 07:16:19 | midgey | i know iboy uses the cop |
| 07:16:42 | Juddy | hey i got it better llorean.. the limit fps somehow reseted.. and i turned up sound on while playing a song before playing the vid |
| 07:16:46 | Juddy | now it works flawless |
| 07:17:03 | Juddy | and it seems to be relatively in sync |
| 07:17:44 | Juddy | do u always have to turn the sound up before using the mpegplayer or can u do it within the programn? |
| 07:18:02 | Llorean | midgey: I'm about to test your patch on Nano, in "Compile time + copy time + human error time" |
| 07:18:07 | * | perldiver waits till Juddy discovers the wonderworld of buffer* |
| 07:18:32 | midgey | Juddy: i believe sound controls arent implemented into mpegplayer yet |
| 07:18:47 | Juddy | ah cool. i guess its only a small fuss |
| 07:19:02 | Juddy | nobad nobad. atleast this is working well. i can start putting togeter my own vids |
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| 07:28:12 | Llorean | midgey: Seems to work fine on Nano |
| 07:28:20 | midgey | hurray! |
| 07:28:33 | Llorean | Well, the sound quality sucks, but so does it on Gigabeat so I think that's a more global issue. :) |
| 07:28:37 | Llorean | Controls are good though |
| 07:29:23 | midgey | you can thank others for those, they're the same on all 4G_PAD ipods |
| 07:29:27 | Llorean | I don't have an H10 or X5 to test, unfortunately. |
| 07:30:11 | midgey | im hoping people will find the patch interesting enough to test out |
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| 07:32:04 | Llorean | But other than button maps it should be all good? |
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| 07:32:58 | midgey | i believe so, the patch seems to work on the sims |
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| 07:33:32 | mb` | evening. |
| 07:34:17 | Llorean | midgey: Is "the controls might not be optimal" reason enough not to commit it? |
| 07:34:39 | Llorean | I think as long as it can't really mess anything else up, in the case of it that's the best way to get the testing you want without waiting for it to trickle down to the unsupported builds |
| 07:34:43 | mb` | I hate to sound stupid, but is there a page that has instructions on how to install a skin? |
| 07:35:21 | Llorean | mb`: usually you just extract it onto the player, the .zip should have folders in it already |
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| 07:35:45 | midgey | Llorean: I'm hoping to have kkurbjun look over my changes (i sent him an email) and I think I may change the menu around for smaller-screened targets |
| 07:35:54 | mb` | So just leave the skin folder in the base directory? |
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| 07:36:13 | mb` | hum lemme poke |
| 07:36:16 | Llorean | mb`: If it just created one folder, and nothing else, you didn't extract it right. |
| 07:36:23 | mb` | probably :/ |
| 07:36:24 | Llorean | Is the folder the same name as the .zip? |
| 07:37:08 | mb` | yea, but i undid that mistake :p |
| 07:37:15 | mb` | should i extract to the rockbox dir? |
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| 07:38:41 | Llorean | mb`: Does the .zip have a .rockbox in it, or does it have a themes and wps folder in it? |
| 07:39:01 | mb` | the themes and wps |
| 07:39:10 | Llorean | Both of those go in /.rockbox/ |
| 07:39:23 | mb` | okay |
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| 07:41:26 | * | mb` crosses fingers |
| 07:41:35 | mb` | whoo! |
| 07:41:39 | mb` | jeez now i feel like a moron |
| 07:43:10 | mb` | although the text seems to be screwy, im sure i can fix that |
| 07:44:02 | Llorean | Have you downloaded the fonts zip from the daily builds page? |
| 07:44:18 | mb` | was just about to |
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| 07:53:26 | mb` | thanks for the help Llorean |
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| 08:05:42 | lini | if I understand correctly, there is no more need to do a clear settings when you upgrade to a new build, right? |
| 08:11:03 | LinusN | lini: no you won't, but you didn't need to before either |
| 08:12:01 | LinusN | the "clear settings" trick was only needed when you used the unofficial builds |
| 08:13:02 | lini | or when I patch something that has settings :) |
| 08:14:40 | lini | what is the nvram.bin file (I'm using an ipod)? i guess it stores some settings for players that do not have nvram? |
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| 08:15:29 | hcs | what does a space before the U mean when I'm doing an svn update? |
| 08:15:33 | LinusN | lini: exactly, it contains the information for resuming playback |
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| 08:15:58 | lini | thanks! |
| 08:16:32 | sneakums | hcs: characters in the second column indicate property changes, see 'svn help update' |
| 08:16:58 | hcs | ok, thanks, I did see people discussing property changes earlier |
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| 08:39:15 | amiconn | mo0ning |
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| 08:40:01 | * | amiconn thinks 'persistent settins' is an odd feature... |
| 08:40:16 | JdGordon | yes, but nice to have.. :) |
| 08:40:57 | amiconn | I can't imagine what to use it for... |
| 08:41:25 | amiconn | ...and atm I also can't see how you would un-persist a setting on target once it's persistent |
| 08:41:35 | amiconn | ...even with the text editor |
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| 08:42:02 | JdGordon | to unpersist you have to do it on the computer.. yeah thats probably an oversight :p |
| 08:43:37 | JdGordon | the volume example is the best one i could think off... maybe you never want to start it with shuffle on? i dont know |
| 08:46:42 | JdGordon | amiconn: I can whip up a simple plugin to handle that... |
| 08:47:37 | LinusN | JdGordon: not a plugin, i think settings should be core stuff |
| 08:48:04 | JdGordon | i thought a plugin because its enough to be bloat in the core... |
| 08:48:28 | amiconn | The problem is that you could remove the ~ with the text editor... but on shutdown, rockbox would overwrite config.cfg and rewrite config.cfg with the persistency marker |
| 08:48:38 | LinusN | ah yes |
| 08:49:03 | amiconn | You can't even do it from the pc |
| 08:49:10 | Bagder | so can anyone think of an actual use case for this feature? |
| 08:49:13 | LinusN | amiconn: yes, in the bootloader usb mode |
| 08:49:14 | amiconn | (except in bootloader usb mode and on ipods) |
| 08:49:43 | LinusN | Bagder: constant volume at startup |
| 08:49:51 | Bagder | you'd want that? |
| 08:50:02 | LinusN | some people seem to |
| 08:50:06 | Bagder | really? |
| 08:50:08 | JdGordon | constant _anything_ on boot up |
| 08:50:17 | Bagder | JdGordon: _what_ would you like constant? |
| 08:50:23 | amiconn | Maybe it's because how I use my 'boxes, but I always want to start it with the last volume. Locking it to a constant would be baaaad. |
| 08:50:35 | JdGordon | Bagder: you havnt accidently left the volume on too high with auto-resume enabled and blown your ears out? |
| 08:50:47 | Bagder | guessing what others might want is not a good way to do features... |
| 08:50:58 | LinusN | amiconn: i wouldn't use it either, but there have been requests for a similar feature |
| 08:50:59 | Bagder | JdGordon: no |
| 08:51:12 | JdGordon | your lucky then.. i have many times |
| 08:51:15 | amiconn | In car and on hifi, volume must be 0dB (for targets without separate line out) or muted (for targets with separate, fixed level lineout) |
| 08:51:16 | Bagder | for the volume case there have been some requests for a MAX |
| 08:51:21 | Bagder | not for persistance |
| 08:51:24 | Bagder | afaik |
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| 08:52:02 | amiconn | And with headphones, volume must be normal listening volume, i.e. something between -50dB and -32dB |
| 08:52:18 | LinusN | Bagder: there have been requests for a "safe" startup volume, iirc |
| 08:52:33 | sputnikrent | i have a questina bout the 5g ipod 60gb |
| 08:52:34 | Bagder | LinusN: yes, but hardly for a persistant |
| 08:52:51 | sputnikrent | hwo can i use the faster disk mode without having the itunes software installed |
| 08:52:59 | JdGordon | Bagder: ah ok.. i probably picked a bad word.... once its loaded you can change the setting.... |
| 08:53:01 | sputnikrent | is there a way i can do that, or no? |
| 08:53:11 | Bagder | JdGordon: yes, but once you reboot you get the former value again |
| 08:53:15 | JdGordon | but it will always save the value that was loaded |
| 08:53:25 | Bagder | and I don't think anyone has asked for such a feature |
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| 08:53:53 | amiconn | JdGordon: Would loading a .cfg whitout a ~ before the setting remove the persistency in ram? |
| 08:53:53 | Bagder | personally, I would prefer a "max_volume" setting instead |
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| 08:54:00 | LinusN | sputnikrent: you should be able to start the apple firmware before connecting the USB cable |
| 08:54:10 | JdGordon | amiconn: no |
| 08:54:15 | amiconn | ugh |
| 08:54:25 | LinusN | JdGordon: badness |
| 08:54:27 | amiconn | That'd be a simple way to remove it... |
| 08:54:48 | sputnikrent | LinusN: but my computer does not recognize it as a hard disk |
| 08:54:52 | amiconn | Save as xyz.cfg, edit away the ~ and reload it |
| 08:54:54 | LinusN | speaking of loading a .cfg file, is it possible to have the "car adapter mode" setting in a .cfg file? |
| 08:54:58 | sputnikrent | LinusN: and i don't want to use the emergency disk mode |
| 08:55:08 | JdGordon | Bagder: a max_volume setting only works for volume.. this was it would work for any of the 180 settings |
| 08:55:14 | LinusN | sputnikrent: oh, then i don't know |
| 08:55:18 | JdGordon | LinusN: it isnt there? |
| 08:55:23 | Bagder | JdGordon: again, can you name ONE other that people would want this for? |
| 08:55:26 | sputnikrent | LinusN: hm okay, thanks |
| 08:55:29 | Bagder | and MAX would be closer to what people want |
| 08:55:54 | Bagder | adding features that might be good for someone else is not a good idea |
| 08:55:58 | Bagder | I don't like that |
| 08:56:06 | LinusN | JdGordon: maybe i should have checked before i asked, but i thought you moved it to the nvram block |
| 08:56:10 | JdGordon | dircache enabled... shuffle, repeat mode, party mode... it all depends how you use it |
| 08:56:22 | JdGordon | LinusN: its smart enough to put it in both :) |
| 08:56:29 | LinusN | JdGordon: good |
| 08:57:23 | LinusN | i wonder if the battery capacity is supposed to be in nvram as well, for the archos charging |
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| 09:02:18 | Bagder | JdGordon: now you continue to speculate |
| 09:02:28 | Bagder | again, no users have asked for this and none of us have |
| 09:02:52 | Bagder | which is why I'm against it |
| 09:03:00 | LinusN | well, i said "sounds like a good idea" last night :-) |
| 09:03:32 | Bagder | well, the idea might be cool and all but I don't see it filling a need or demand |
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| 09:06:48 | LinusN | hmmm, searching the feature request tracker, i found only this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2328 |
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| 09:07:29 | Bagder | and that user wants it locked when running as well... |
| 09:07:55 | Bagder | weird |
| 09:08:08 | amiconn | LinusN: The battery capacity wasn't in nvram before |
| 09:08:18 | amiconn | (one flaw of the current charging algo) |
| 09:08:31 | LinusN | amiconn: ok, and the backlight-when-plugged setting? |
| 09:08:36 | amiconn | Or maybe it was, but then charging was started before even loading nvram settings |
| 09:09:26 | amiconn | AT least the calculated safety timeout was always based on 1500mAh regardless of the actual capacity when booting with the charger plugged |
| 09:11:01 | amiconn | LinusN: What would make this setting so special? |
| 09:11:05 | LinusN | amiconn: in init(), it loads the RTC settings before entering the charging screen, doesn't it? |
| 09:11:38 | * | pondlife is unhappy that he can't access the half of the internet that contains rockbox.org. :-( |
| 09:12:00 | Bagder | pondlife: how do? |
| 09:12:02 | Bagder | hwo so |
| 09:12:03 | pondlife | OT, I know, but I have very limited comms. Can someone look at http://www.ntl-isp.ntl.com/lookup/default.asp for me. |
| 09:12:05 | Bagder | how so |
| 09:12:09 | amiconn | The charging screen isn't what counts.... the powermgmt thread reads the value from global_settings when it's started |
| 09:12:17 | LinusN | amiconn: i seem to remember that there were some settings that applied to the charging mode, and the backlight settings came to mind |
| 09:12:29 | pondlife | See if there is some problem in Reading or Winnersh. Probably snow on a satellite dish..... |
| 09:13:13 | LinusN | amiconn: powermgmt_init() is called *after* settings_load(SETTINGS_RTC) |
| 09:13:17 | amiconn | LinusN: Hmm, perhpas it decided what the backlight does in the charging screen |
| 09:13:29 | Bagder | pondlife: there aren't any unresolved issues mentioned there |
| 09:13:39 | pondlife | Thanks for looking |
| 09:13:41 | amiconn | LinusN: Perhaps, but the fixed safety timeout is observed behaviour on my recorder |
| 09:13:46 | LinusN | amiconn: and i doubt that powermgmt reads global_settings, since it is in firmware/ |
| 09:13:48 | pondlife | I shall search for a proxy somewhere |
| 09:14:20 | amiconn | ...and I do have 2700mAh cells. Before I had 2500 for a short while |
| 09:15:43 | LinusN | so it defaulted to 1500mah, but only because the capacity setting was on disk |
| 09:15:52 | amiconn | It was? ok |
| 09:15:59 | LinusN | sorry, that was a guess |
| 09:16:18 | LinusN | but it must have used *some* settings, since the car adapter mode worked |
| 09:17:26 | LinusN | i just want to make sure we don't break anything with the file-based settings |
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| 09:52:41 | webguest20 | What spelling is correct: 'persistent' or 'persistant' (from settings.c)? |
| 09:53:13 | Bagder | persistent says my ispell |
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| 09:54:20 | webguest20 | Hmm... I also thought E was correct. But it's source code and not the manual, so spelling errors are not so critical. |
| 09:55:05 | stewy123 | hi does rockboy work on the sansa? |
| 09:55:15 | webguest20 | Another question: What if I already have the config.cfg file in .rockbox? Will it be overwritten? |
| 09:57:36 | * | JdGordon cant spell :p |
| 09:57:47 | JdGordon | it will load that config and then resave onto it |
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| 09:59:19 | webguest20 | JdGordon: so the config is saved to the same file (or, more precisely, to a file with the same name) as it was loaded from? |
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| 10:00:02 | JdGordon | no, config.cfg is always loaded on boot, and its used to save... if you load some other file it will still save to config.cfg |
| 10:01:43 | webguest20 | JdGordon: ok, thanks. But it's still possible to save the config to another file (manage settings -> save config)? |
| 10:01:55 | JdGordon | yes |
| 10:03:00 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 10:04:01 | webguest20 | JdGordon: and what if I don't have any .cfg files and the config is only stored in a hidden sector (as it was before)? When I'll start RB after a version update, the default settings will be loaded (since there is no config.cfg) and then saved. So my previous settings will be lost! |
| 10:04:34 | JdGordon | yes, so you should save them before updating |
| 10:04:43 | webguest20 | So, before updating to the version with the new cfg saving engine, I'd better save my settings to a separate .cfg file. |
| 10:05:00 | webguest20 | JdGordon: I can't type that fast! :-) |
| 10:10:23 | * | linuxstb spots a patch for Rockboy on the smaller colour LCDs |
| 10:12:33 | webguest20 | JdGordon: still here? |
| 10:12:42 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 10:15:06 | webguest20 | JdGordon: a few days ago, there was a discussion about the settings API. The main point was that, as of now, set_option (is this the right name?) sets *an index* rather that *a value*. So you have to translate the current value to the index, call set_option, and then convert the index back to the value. It was proposed to extend the menu_option struct to include both value and text. |
| 10:15:47 | webguest20 | You must have discussed this with linuxstb (?) but you haven't come to a conclusion. Do you have plans about this? |
| 10:15:58 | linuxstb | Not me. |
| 10:16:47 | webguest20 | linuxstb: or amiconn. Or someone from the 'core' developers. |
| 10:17:18 | JdGordon | webguest20: im not 100% sure what you mean |
| 10:17:38 | JdGordon | it might have been JhMikeS who i talked to about it... but yeah, im not sure what your talking about ;p |
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| 10:19:44 | webguest20 | JdGordon: hmm... Look e.g. at the fireworks plugin. There are always two arrays: one with the option texts and the other with the values. The setting variable effectively holds an index in that arrays. That's not nice IMHO. |
| 10:20:40 | webguest20 | JdGordon: an index instead of the real value. |
| 10:21:14 | JdGordon | ah yes ok... now i get you... |
| 10:21:24 | JdGordon | yes this will be taken care of |
| 10:21:53 | JdGordon | for fireworks, if he used set_int and a formatter it would work just as well... |
| 10:22:25 | JdGordon | oh wait... |
| 10:22:45 | webguest20 | JdGordon: ok! The you'll just pass an array of options and the current value to set_options. And it will find out which entry should be initially highlighted. |
| 10:23:06 | JdGordon | what the heck is he doing? :p thats just odd |
| 10:24:29 | webguest20 | JdGordon: but there are cases where you can't format and instead have just a set of values. E.g. for scrolling speed in RB settings. Or could a formatter be used in that case as well? |
| 10:25:27 | JdGordon | yes and no :p |
| 10:25:36 | JdGordon | anyway, i gtg |
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| 10:30:28 | w1ll14m|work | hi all.... |
| 10:30:51 | w1ll14m|work | i have a problem compiling yesterdays cvs for ipod 4g grayscale |
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| 10:31:11 | w1ll14m|work | gray_core.c: In function `gray_update_rect': |
| 10:31:19 | w1ll14m|work | gray_core.c:736: error: can't find a register in class `GENERAL_REGS' while reloading `asm' |
| 10:31:27 | w1ll14m|work | make[2]: *** [/cvsroot/rockbox_4g/build/apps/plugins/lib/gray_core.o] Error 1 |
| 10:31:33 | Bagder | what gcc version? |
| 10:31:47 | w1ll14m|work | Using arm-elf-gcc 3.4.5 (304) |
| 10:31:56 | Bagder | then update |
| 10:32:10 | w1ll14m|work | is this a known isue ? |
| 10:32:13 | w1ll14m|work | issue* |
| 10:32:24 | Bagder | yes |
| 10:32:30 | Bagder | and we recommend 4.0.2 |
| 10:32:41 | w1ll14m|work | ok thanx :) ll install it and let you know about feedback |
| 10:32:43 | linuxstb | I thought rockboxdev.sh installed 4.0.3? |
| 10:32:44 | Bagder | or even 4.0.3 |
| 10:32:56 | Bagder | yes it does |
| 10:33:00 | Bagder | I'm just slow |
| 10:33:11 | * | linuxstb pours more coffee for Bagder |
| 10:33:19 | Bagder | or wait, I wrote rockboxdev,sh... |
| 10:33:39 | * | Bagder blames the fact his son sits in his lap atm |
| 10:34:08 | Bagder | "now son, this is how the bootloader code looks like" |
| 10:34:24 | Bagder | "nonono, no chewing on cables" |
| 10:34:30 | GodEater | I expect immediate optimisations from such talented young blood then |
| 10:34:35 | idnar | heh |
| 10:35:03 | GodEater | "dad, you code is no better than a clueless newbies'" ;) |
| 10:35:15 | Bagder | hehe |
| 10:37:02 | w1ll14m|work | hehehe |
| 10:37:21 | LinusN | now, son, try to lift this Archos player that sets the memory bar for all newer players |
| 10:37:39 | Bagder | <g> |
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| 10:38:18 | Teknomancer | hm, does the cowon a2 have rockbox ? or rather is rockbox implemented for cowon a2 ? |
| 10:38:34 | LinusN | Teknomancer: nope |
| 10:38:41 | * | w1ll14m|work discovers that his linux machine is pretty slow :| |
| 10:38:42 | Teknomancer | LinusN ok, thanks. |
| 10:38:54 | markun | Teknomancer: check the frontpage, it lists all the supported players |
| 10:39:01 | Teknomancer | anyway, i'm going to wait for the Cowon A3... |
| 10:39:29 | Teknomancer | markun i would , if the version of FF i'm using was not so crap, keeps freezing |
| 10:39:31 | * | Bagder has an A4 already |
| 10:39:45 | Teknomancer | Bagder A4 paper? |
| 10:39:52 | w1ll14m|work | hahaha |
| 10:39:53 | Bagder | yes! |
| 10:40:06 | w1ll14m|work | i have also A5 :) |
| 10:40:16 | * | GodEater suspects w1ll14m|work is running some heavyweight desktop system instead of something light and quick like E17 ;) |
| 10:40:16 | w1ll14m|work | but i never use it... |
| 10:40:32 | Teknomancer | haha |
| 10:40:47 | * | w1ll14m|work w1ll14m|work doesn't like desktop systems, he only works in a terminal |
| 10:41:03 | w1ll14m|work | erhmmm i don't have a GUI |
| 10:41:14 | w1ll14m|work | not even X window installed |
| 10:41:21 | GodEater | v. impressive |
| 10:41:25 | w1ll14m|work | :) |
| 10:41:46 | w1ll14m|work | i'am faster with keyboard then with mouse and keyboard |
| 10:41:47 | Teknomancer | i type directly hex codes into the processor! |
| 10:41:54 | w1ll14m|work | whahahah |
| 10:42:00 | Teknomancer | :) |
| 10:42:00 | w1ll14m|work | that's to far for me ;) |
| 10:42:12 | GodEater | pfagh, lightweight. I do everything with a magnet and a battery. |
| 10:42:13 | w1ll14m|work | what os are you using ? |
| 10:42:20 | * | LinusN silences his Yorkshiremen detector |
| 10:42:48 | markun | LinusN: ;) |
| 10:42:48 | Teknomancer | i'm using and coding for Zeta (yeah yeah its not ur cool terminal OS with obfuscated boot messages) |
| 10:42:52 | GodEater | good point - it's a slippery slope LinusN ;) |
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| 10:43:16 | hcs | we got evicted from our terminal OS... |
| 10:43:28 | w1ll14m|work | Teknomancer: never heard of it :) |
| 10:43:52 | Teknomancer | w1ll14m|work haha its BeOS' successor (so to speak) and i presume u haven't heard of beos either ;) |
| 10:43:54 | w1ll14m|work | i'm a starting python programmer |
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| 10:44:00 | Teknomancer | python is cool |
| 10:44:02 | Teknomancer | __self__ |
| 10:44:13 | w1ll14m|work | heheh i've heard the name BeOS |
| 10:44:21 | w1ll14m|work | but never used it |
| 10:44:30 | * | hcs wonders if this is what #rockbox-community might be for |
| 10:44:59 | Teknomancer | rockbox can be compiled on beos i think ;) |
| 10:45:03 | Teknomancer | there more on topic? :) |
| 10:45:18 | hcs | just sayin' |
| 10:45:19 | w1ll14m|work | Teknomancer you need a cross compiler |
| 10:45:47 | w1ll14m|work | the you should be able to compile rockbox on BeOS |
| 10:45:51 | w1ll14m|work | then* |
| 10:45:51 | Teknomancer | hcs k no problem, anyway my H340 is taken apart, because of the damn battery, haven't been able to use H300 (+rockbox or OF) for weeks now :( |
| 10:46:10 | Teknomancer | and i've been hunting hi-and-low for a new battery here, but so far no luck |
| 10:46:16 | linuxstb | Teknomancer: If gcc and the normal GNU toolchain (plus Perl) works on BEOS, then you can compile Rockbox. It needs a Unix/Posix type environment. |
| 10:46:38 | Teknomancer | yeah its gcc, and yes its got perl and has a decent posix implementation |
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| 10:47:07 | Teknomancer | only some file stat structure changes are a bit old though but i doubt if that would cause problems |
| 10:47:52 | linuxstb | You should start by checking out the Rockbox source from svn, and then running the tools/rockboxdev.sh script. That should download and install the required compiler and binutils. |
| 10:48:28 | * | w1ll14m|work still waites angry for portage update to finish (is 6 months old) |
| 10:50:11 | markun | w1ll14m|work: maybe us cron for that? |
| 10:50:14 | markun | use |
| 10:50:45 | w1ll14m|work | markun: i know, but i always update portage when i need it :) |
| 10:51:07 | w1ll14m|work | Badger: is GCC 4.1.1 good too or just 403 ? |
| 10:51:14 | markun | and I don't have to update it when I need it :) |
| 10:51:15 | Teknomancer | k back to coding my AudioTagger app... |
| 10:51:28 | w1ll14m|work | markun:that's true ;) |
| 10:51:43 | markun | w1ll14m|work: some Gigabeat owners use 4.1.1 without problems |
| 10:51:45 | w1ll14m|work | markun:ll fix a cron later |
| 10:51:58 | Bagder | I would recommend 4.0.3 |
| 10:52:14 | w1ll14m|work | badger: ok |
| 10:52:21 | w1ll14m|work | markun: its about ipod 4g |
| 10:52:21 | GodEater | w1ll14m: the 4.1.1 compiler (in portage) generates odd warnings with the sim code - but I'm not sure about the actual target code |
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| 10:54:02 | GodEater | I also don't see a gcc-arm compiler in portage - but I could be looking in the wrong place... |
| 10:54:28 | GodEater | unless you mean crossdev |
| 10:54:29 | hcs | arm-gcc ? |
| 10:54:31 | Bagder | if they had, it probably would be one with libc included anyway |
| 10:54:50 | GodEater | hcs - sorry yes - arm-gcc |
| 10:55:03 | GodEater | there's no such package |
| 10:55:17 | * | GodEater just did eix gcc and looked at all versions |
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| 11:01:56 | w1ll14m|work | godeater:'ll use 403 then :) |
| 11:05:18 | Bagder | rockboxdev.sh is your friend |
| 11:05:25 | GodEater | it's so much easier if you just use rockboxdev/sh to build your toolchain |
| 11:05:35 | * | GodEater find's himself echoing Bagder once more |
| 11:11:33 | w1ll14m|work | godeater badger: i allready have a cross development configuration here, i just need the new GCC which is compiling at the moment |
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| 11:12:02 | w1ll14m|work | if this would fail (very small chance) then 'll use rockboxdev.sh |
| 11:12:52 | Bagder | well, I have plenty crossdevs too, I still find rockboxdev smoother to use when upgrading |
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| 11:15:22 | w1ll14m|work | bagder: you wrote it did you? then i believe that it works better :) but i'm a little stubborn :) |
| 11:15:42 | Bagder | hehe |
| 11:16:06 | w1ll14m|work | :) |
| 11:16:29 | w1ll14m|work | ok 403 installed, now let's see what happens ;) |
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| 11:21:05 | w1ll14m|work | well it compiled just fine as expected :) |
| 11:23:58 | markun | Bagder: the changelogs seem to be broken: http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=gigabeatf |
| 11:24:13 | markun | well, empty at least :) |
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| 11:37:02 | barrywardell | midgey: i reported a problem with your rockboy patch ;) |
| 11:37:23 | barrywardell | i think it might just need to check for the presence of the /.rockbox/rockboy/ dir |
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| 11:45:03 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Is that bug specific to midgey's patch? |
| 11:45:26 | barrywardell | i don't know. before midgey's patch i couldn't run rockboy on my h10 |
| 11:45:42 | barrywardell | it happens with changing any option though, so possibly not specific |
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| 11:47:49 | linuxstb | The setoptions() function appears to call mkdir if the rockboy directory doesn't exist - are you saying it's not being created for you? |
| 11:47:58 | linuxstb | (apps/plugins/rockboy/rockboy.c) |
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| 11:54:32 | Bagder | markun: yeah. I haven't fixed the daily changelogs yet |
| 11:55:56 | JerryLange | hello everyone |
| 11:56:10 | barrywardell | linuxstb: it does get created. but i seem to get a crash if it doesn't already exist |
| 11:57:05 | markun | Strange talk about Zune hacking :) http://www.zuneboards.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,28/topic,1892.msg15197#msg15197 |
| 11:58:35 | linuxstb | Isn't all Zune hacking talk strange? |
| 11:59:54 | barrywardell | linuxstb: actually, maybe it's not related to the existence of the options file |
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| 12:00:08 | barrywardell | but just the first time it's changed |
| 12:00:09 | w1ll14m|work | linuxstb: true |
| 12:00:11 | markun | linuxstb: it's a discussion about how difficult it will be to add a clock feature :) |
| 12:00:21 | linuxstb | Maybe there's no RTC in the hardware? |
| 12:00:26 | linuxstb | (which would be odd...) |
| 12:01:11 | Bagder | i.mx has an rtc it seems |
| 12:01:17 | markun | yes: http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/fact_sheet/MC9328MX31FS.pdf |
| 12:02:43 | linuxstb | Most interesting thing on that page is this link in someone's sig - http://www.bauercount.com/v3/index.php/season/show/6 (assuming you're a fan of 24). |
| 12:03:04 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 12:03:25 | Bagder | haha |
| 12:03:29 | hcs | vampire bite? |
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| 12:03:43 | JerryLange | i was reading the log and noticed you were talking about persistent settings earlier. is this an option? can it be turned off or on at any present time? |
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| 12:13:21 | DataGhostUni | hey GodEater |
| 12:13:37 | DataGhostUni | I cleaned up the loader and sent the patch in for submission to svn :) |
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| 12:14:20 | JerryLange | so adding a ~ to a setting will make that setting load on default? this means you have to use a computer to make these settings always load on boot up. |
| 12:14:44 | markun | JerryLange: yes, looks like it |
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| 12:15:38 | markun | JerryLange: don't know how well the text_editor in rockbox works |
| 12:16:09 | JerryLange | when i first heard of this idea i didnt realy like it. then i reread what how it works and it seems like a decent idea. |
| 12:16:57 | JerryLange | markun: yeah i just rememberd you have text editor in rockbox |
| 12:18:39 | bluebrother | I found the description a bit confusing. Calling the ~ to prevent a value to be written would seem more logical to me |
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| 12:20:29 | markun | linuxstb: will you stop working on the mpegplayer for now because of your new ports? |
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| 12:21:26 | PaulJam | Hi, i have another svn question: after my last update i had conflicts in some files. and now after i have edited these files the comand "svn status" still shows a C in front of these files. |
| 12:21:44 | Bagder | PaulJam: "svn resolved" |
| 12:21:56 | XavierGr | yay, my new printer scanner and UPS just arrived :D |
| 12:22:03 | Bagder | "Remove 'conflicted' state on working copy files or directories." |
| 12:22:05 | XavierGr | time to play |
| 12:22:11 | PaulJam | thank you Bagder |
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| 12:23:26 | JerryLange | i wonder if this ~ setting will be used on some default settings for seicific players? |
| 12:24:46 | GodEater | DataGhostUni: cool - can you send me the cleaned up binary then please? |
| 12:25:06 | XavierGr | omg UPSes are heavy!! |
| 12:25:47 | GodEater | well they're full of lead-acid battery usually |
| 12:26:10 | XavierGr | this is my first one |
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| 12:26:24 | XavierGr | I didn't know that they were that heavy |
| 12:26:44 | XavierGr | it is more heavy than my PC and it is half the size |
| 12:27:11 | markun | Bagder: I would like to remove -mlong-calls for the Gigabeat build, but not for the bootloader. Any idea how that could be done? |
| 12:27:13 | GodEater | that's the key thing with batteries usually |
| 12:27:25 | GodEater | the day someone invents a really light one is a day I look forward to! |
| 12:27:33 | Bagder | markun: a plain condition in configure I'd say |
| 12:29:59 | linuxstb | markun: No, I still want to work on it. |
| 12:31:16 | DataGhostUni | GodEater do you mind if it takes maybe an hour or so? |
| 12:31:22 | DataGhostUni | I'm currently 'stuck' in the vista installation dvd |
| 12:31:28 | DataGhostUni | trying to restore that piece of crap |
| 12:31:35 | DataGhostUni | which refuses to boot after a 1:1 dd to another disk |
| 12:32:04 | DataGhostUni | and no I don't use vista but yes, it did overwrite the XP bootloader |
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| 12:33:43 | DataGhostUni | and it's giving me a headache.. someone still didn't think of reading some data from the monitor in order to use another refresh rate than 60Hz |
| 12:34:19 | DataGhostUni | oh great. it found windows. "partition=not found" and it asks me if I want to repair it |
| 12:34:34 | * | DataGhostUni stops windows-rant-in-rockbox-channel :P |
| 12:35:39 | DataGhostUni | whoa |
| 12:35:43 | Bagder | I have windows too |
| 12:35:44 | DataGhostUni | this is actually quite interesting |
| 12:35:45 | XavierGr | time to connect them all up, I am drowning in cables.... |
| 12:35:56 | Bagder | its snow on the other side |
| 12:35:56 | DataGhostUni | it restored it's bootloader, leaving grub intact :o :o :o |
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| 12:36:11 | DataGhostUni | that's most certainly something I haven't seen before |
| 12:36:17 | DataGhostUni | it seems to be working, too |
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| 12:40:35 | GodEater | has *anybody* got a clue about what the newbie in the apple forums (http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8364.0) is actually being told to do? It looks pretty hairy to me. |
| 12:41:18 | Bagder | whoa |
| 12:43:12 | * | Bagder fixed the broken diff links on new files (in the html changelog) |
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| 12:48:16 | Bagder | and the front page changelog should now update every 10 minutes |
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| 12:52:57 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: Yes, I noticed the poster didn't admit to trying "Solution 3" himself. There's so much bad advice being given in the ipod forum at the moment.... |
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| 13:00:19 | DataGhostUni | woohoo |
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| 13:06:50 | DataGhost | GodEater http://de.dataghost.com/ipl/loader-2.5d6.bin http://de.dataghost.com/ipl/loader-2.5d6.bin.md5 :) |
| 13:10:10 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/daily/changelogs/changes-20070124.html |
| 13:10:11 | Bagder | tadaa |
| 13:10:34 | GodEater | DataGhost: thanks for that :) |
| 13:12:57 | linuxstb_ | Are there any objections to making iCatcher the default theme in Rockbox (i.e. changing the wps and font)? I've written a patch to do that here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/default_theme.diff |
| 13:13:04 | Bagder | is there anything cvs'ish not fixed now? |
| 13:13:26 | Bagder | linuxstb_: I think that's a good idea, at least for non-archos |
| 13:13:27 | GodEater | Bagder: why not ask your son ? ;) |
| 13:13:36 | Bagder | he's sleeping now ;-) |
| 13:13:46 | GodEater | ah - a problem with the very young |
| 13:13:47 | Bagder | been hacking html all morning |
| 13:13:48 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 13:13:57 | GodEater | and chewing cables |
| 13:14:07 | Bagder | he's 4 months, it is time to start learning |
| 13:14:27 | Bagder | 4 hexadecimal months |
| 13:14:30 | Bagder | :-P |
| 13:14:43 | GodEater | indeed - I'd written an obscure operating system for some random piece of hardware by the time I was 4 months (he lied) |
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| 13:16:26 | linuxstb | Bagder: Why non-archos? iCatcher appears to have an Archos (bitmap) version. |
| 13:16:47 | Bagder | hm, yes perhaps we should have it there too |
| 13:16:57 | Bagder | I just feel the need for a fancier one is less important there |
| 13:17:05 | linuxstb | It's only a default... |
| 13:17:08 | Bagder | since the default is already fullscreen and all |
| 13:17:17 | Bagder | but sure, I'm not against it |
| 13:17:40 | linuxstb | I don't feel strongly either way, but maybe we should be consistent. |
| 13:17:54 | Bagder | yes, that makes sense |
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| 13:19:10 | pixelma | only have a small objection: bitmapped WPSs increase boot time |
| 13:19:32 | Bagder | yeah |
| 13:19:52 | Bagder | but we can always opt to a non-graphical one |
| 13:21:27 | linuxstb | pixelma: I agree, but that applies to all targets. |
| 13:21:49 | pixelma | yes ... that was meant generally |
| 13:22:39 | linuxstb | But anyone that doesn't like the increased boot-time can simply choose a text-only WPS. |
| 13:22:54 | pixelma | I was a bit scared when I first installed a bitmapped WPS and booting my Ondio took about twice the time |
| 13:23:00 | GodEater | on a completely different note - I read from the logs a discussion concerning the "Browse..." entries in the menus - with some people being for, and some people being against them |
| 13:23:14 | * | linuxstb receives a waffle-iron box from Sweden |
| 13:23:18 | GodEater | is having a customised menu layout possible ? |
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| 13:23:36 | GodEater | reading from a config file somewhere that could be tuned to suit a users preferences ? |
| 13:23:43 | linuxstb | GodEater: Only by editing the source... |
| 13:23:48 | Bagder | linuxstb: waffle-iron! ;-) |
| 13:23:49 | GodEater | or are the menus so static that would be impossible to implement |
| 13:23:55 | Bagder | now get cooking! |
| 13:24:21 | GodEater | linuxstb: do you mean that writing such a patch would be impossible, that the menus HAVE to be statically built in the source ? |
| 13:24:32 | linuxstb | "Double waffle iron - makes two waffles at the same time!" |
| 13:25:01 | pixelma | linuxstb: yes - but a newbie (which most likely will be the one that experiences the default wps) doesn't know that it can be faster ;) |
| 13:25:04 | * | linuxstb is disappointed to find a AV340 inside |
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| 13:25:13 | * | GodEater wonders if an AV340 really runs hot enough to make waffles on |
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| 13:27:06 | GodEater | hmmm - seems to me you could make configurable menus a possibility. Perhaps not dynamically changeable while rockbox is *running* but surely at boot time... |
| 13:27:26 | webguest70 | He-he. I tried the WPS from http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5967 and got stuck with it. No BMPs and all, vers clean |
| 13:27:37 | linuxstb | GodEater: Yes, of course you could write a patch to make the menus configurable - I thought you were asking if it was already done. |
| 13:27:49 | GodEater | no no |
| 13:27:50 | webguest70 | I also use the font from there |
| 13:27:51 | GodEater | I realised it wasn't done already |
| 13:27:57 | pixelma | hmm.. but maybe a newbie (especially from the Ipod world) will at least be "disappointed" by the current default wps... *shrug* |
| 13:28:17 | GodEater | it's the only solution I could see to last night's discussion that would please everyone however. |
| 13:28:31 | GodEater | I could Llorean wasn't bothered enough by it to ask for a change in the current default build |
| 13:28:44 | GodEater | I could see I mean |
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| 13:29:16 | GodEater | once I have a working RB target to test with I will attempt to write such a patch and see how popular it is |
| 13:29:34 | GodEater | in the meantime I'll have a looksee at the code to see how it might be done. |
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| 13:32:53 | Nico_P | JdGordon: what do i hav to do to save a new setting to the config file ? |
| 13:33:19 | Nico_P | my cuesheet enable setting doesn't get saved |
| 13:35:23 | GodEater | I see there's a feature request for xml config files for the menus. I'm buggered if I'm including an xml parser though. |
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| 13:38:10 | Bagder | nah, a lean and mean way would be neat, xml would not |
| 13:40:16 | GodEater | I've just added a comment to the FS task (5700) |
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| 13:40:49 | GodEater | that seems to me to be all you'd need |
| 13:40:59 | GodEater | I think I'd have seperate files for each submenu too |
| 13:43:07 | * | GodEater thinks about what he'd do when inevitably user IsANewbie delete's ReallyImportantMenuFunctionA from his menu config file. |
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| 13:46:33 | GodEater | I'm also buggered if I'm writing a "visual utility" to make such a file. |
| 13:47:01 | GodEater | vim will do just fine. |
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| 13:49:06 | Genre9mp3 | any news with the boost_count problem on (at least) H300? |
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| 13:58:15 | w1ll14m|work | whats the status of ipod 5.5g 80GB ? |
| 13:58:23 | linuxstb | Not working. |
| 13:58:27 | w1ll14m|work | hmm ok... |
| 13:58:40 | w1ll14m|work | if just found out that ipodlinux is working on those :| |
| 13:58:47 | w1ll14m|work | i've* |
| 13:58:48 | linuxstb | But the hardware issue has been identified, it's now "simply" a matter of adapting Rockbox. |
| 13:58:54 | GodEater | only if you have an all ext3 ipod |
| 13:58:55 | w1ll14m|work | ok |
| 13:59:38 | GodEater | where did you "find this out" ? |
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| 14:14:52 | w1ll14m|work | GodEater: i was just browsing at iPL and found this http://ipodlinux.org/5.5G_Installation |
| 14:15:07 | w1ll14m|work | But still the loader works but not the ipl kernel |
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| 14:15:15 | w1ll14m|work | as far as i've read ;) |
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| 14:15:33 | DataGhost | yes, so you can't use it yet |
| 14:15:41 | p0ser | hey guys, where would be a good place to make some suggestions? you know.... user feedback |
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| 14:16:14 | w1ll14m|work | p0ser: probaply the rockbox forums |
| 14:16:41 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 14:16:51 | Topic | "svn transition completed. Any quirks left?" by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 14:17:05 | w1ll14m|work | Dataghost:true the kernel has to be patched to read 1024 chunks and then it should beable to read 80GB partitions and filesystem |
| 14:17:15 | DataGhost | I know that, yes |
| 14:17:20 | w1ll14m|work | lol :) |
| 14:17:27 | DataGhost | I wrote the loader |
| 14:17:38 | w1ll14m|work | DataGhost: i didn't know that :) |
| 14:17:41 | DataGhost | the fixes anyway |
| 14:18:04 | w1ll14m|work | ahh ok |
| 14:18:06 | preglow | hasn't anyone agreed on a better way to store the wps bitmaps yet? |
| 14:18:17 | Bagder | nope |
| 14:18:28 | Bagder | but we really should |
| 14:18:50 | preglow | yes |
| 14:19:19 | preglow | something simple would be nice, just as long as the problem of multiple files vanishes |
| 14:19:25 | preglow | tar/zip/whatever |
| 14:19:30 | Bagder | yeps |
| 14:19:43 | Bagder | we can always work/improve the format later on |
| 14:20:00 | preglow | perhaps combine bitmaps that are supposed to be grouped, like codec bitmaps |
| 14:20:26 | preglow | but yes, improvements later on is also nice, as long as we're rid of the tons-of-files thing |
| 14:20:44 | preglow | therefore something like tar or zip sounds nice to me |
| 14:20:55 | Bagder | I agree |
| 14:21:01 | Bagder | I've voted for tar before ;-) |
| 14:21:03 | preglow | or just something custom, i don't care. does tar do efficient random access? |
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| 14:21:14 | linuxstb | We don't need efficient random access... |
| 14:21:25 | linuxstb | Just read them sequentially. |
| 14:21:26 | preglow | hmm, no, i guess we don't |
| 14:21:31 | preglow | we can read them all at once anyway |
| 14:22:05 | Bagder | and a tar file probably doesn't even have to be decoded since I think there's very little overhead |
| 14:22:25 | linuxstb | Isn't is just a small header, followed by the file, and repeat... |
| 14:22:32 | Bagder | yes I think so |
| 14:22:45 | linuxstb | ie. cat file1.tar file2.tar > file3.tar works. |
| 14:22:47 | JdGordon | Nico_P: is it a bool? |
| 14:22:55 | Nico_P | JdGordon: no, an int |
| 14:23:16 | JdGordon | ok, so just copy any of the {F_T_INT, ... settings |
| 14:23:16 | Bagder | bluebrother worked on tar loading iirc, we should ask him about it |
| 14:24:05 | JdGordon | Nico_P: if it has a min/max/step then put it in a comment next to it... they will be used soon |
| 14:24:09 | linuxstb | So the feeling is we should improve the bitmap loading speed before changing the default wps? |
| 14:24:20 | Bagder | nah, I don't think it is necessary |
| 14:24:36 | Bagder | but the changing to bitmap wpses might give people the urge to work on it ;-) |
| 14:25:32 | JdGordon | 1 image bmps?? |
| 14:25:41 | JdGordon | 1 image bmp wps' i mean |
| 14:26:06 | linuxstb | No, many .bmp files, but packed into a tar file. |
| 14:26:13 | preglow | linuxstb: by no means, but i feel such a simple thing should be fixed |
| 14:26:13 | JdGordon | ok |
| 14:26:43 | preglow | also, we should keep the old multiple file loading as well, since that's what'll be easiest for wps creators |
| 14:26:57 | pixelma | preglow: I like the idea of grouped bitmaps too - I once counted this with the iCatcher bmps - it would have been one third or even a quarter of the files needed in the end |
| 14:27:07 | preglow | pixelma: yep |
| 14:27:19 | preglow | pixelma: also, i imagine it'll be a bit more practical for the artist |
| 14:27:46 | linuxstb | So maybe add a new tag, pointing to an image .tar file in the .wps? |
| 14:28:12 | linuxstb | Or look for a .tar, and if it doesn't exist, look for the individual .bmps?? |
| 14:28:19 | preglow | linuxstb: hmm, i'd rather it went automatically, like just looking for wpsname.tar |
| 14:28:23 | preglow | linuxstb: yep, that |
| 14:28:41 | linuxstb | Yes, I got there in the end... |
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| 14:32:17 | JdGordon | Nico_P: got it? |
| 14:32:32 | Nico_P | JdGordon: i'll look at it now |
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| 14:33:14 | Nico_P | JdGordon: where are the {F_T_INT settings ? |
| 14:33:26 | JdGordon | settings_list.c |
| 14:33:49 | JdGordon | you add it there and settings.h and your done |
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| 14:34:00 | Nico_P | do i have to add it last ? |
| 14:34:05 | JdGordon | nope |
| 14:34:11 | JdGordon | but for now you should :p |
| 14:34:19 | Nico_P | ok |
| 14:35:08 | Nico_P | actually i was confused, it's a bool |
| 14:35:11 | JdGordon | that arra will need to be organised... but its a hel of a job, and shouldnt be done just yet (its best if its kept the same order as the old arrays for now) |
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| 14:35:43 | JdGordon | then just used OFFON_SETTING(0,var,default,config_name,NULL) |
| 14:36:56 | JdGordon | pixelma: contrast working incely now? |
| 14:37:00 | JdGordon | nicely* |
| 14:37:39 | Nico_P | JdGordon: thanks it works |
| 14:37:54 | JdGordon | :) |
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| 14:38:33 | Nico_P | i like the tilde thing a lot btw |
| 14:39:00 | Bagder | for what purpose? |
| 14:39:18 | Nico_P | Bagder: see the latest commit message |
| 14:39:32 | Bagder | I know, but for what purpose do you like/use it? |
| 14:39:35 | linuxstb | Yes, but why is it useful? |
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| 14:40:38 | Nico_P | for the volume, it's nice to know it will always boot at a reasonable volume so i don't get my ears blown away when i switch from my computer speakers to my headphones |
| 14:41:05 | pixelma | how do I get rid of such a persistent setting btw.? |
| 14:41:29 | Bagder | pixelma: you don't |
| 14:41:41 | Bagder | apparently |
| 14:42:05 | Nico_P | Bagder: what do you mean ? removing the tilde isn't enough ? |
| 14:42:12 | Bagder | correct |
| 14:42:29 | Nico_P | strange |
| 14:42:33 | Bagder | and for the goodness of this, I can only think of this volume example as the only use case |
| 14:42:53 | Nico_P | yeah i don't really see anything else |
| 14:42:53 | Bagder | and then it isn't even what you actually want |
| 14:42:55 | pixelma | so if I started with a wong setting now (first file I edit) - there's no chance to correct it afterwards... that's rather "dangerous" I think |
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| 14:47:45 | Bagder | well, I don't think this feature was very well thought through |
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| 14:52:27 | GodEater | certainly wasn't if you can't remove it |
| 14:52:33 | pixelma | I think so too |
| 14:52:59 | Bagder | well, you can, but only by connecting to usb |
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| 14:55:52 | linuxstb | Would a straightforward max_volume_on_boot setting do the job? |
| 14:56:19 | Bagder | I think it would even do it better |
| 14:56:34 | * | GodEater read that wrong |
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| 14:56:44 | GodEater | I thought you were suggesting setting the volume to maximum on boot |
| 14:56:48 | GodEater | and trying to kill / deafen people |
| 14:56:49 | Bagder | hehe |
| 14:56:50 | GodEater | ;) |
| 14:57:17 | * | GodEater can see some poor soul on the tube statino platform leaping out of his skin and onto the tracks as he turns his DAP on |
| 14:57:37 | w1ll14m|work | Godeater: is it true thet the option autoload.cfg has been inplemented ? |
| 14:57:59 | w1ll14m|work | that* |
| 14:58:53 | perl|wtf | wouldnt that overwrite the user's cfg? |
| 14:59:15 | w1ll14m|work | yes i thought so. |
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| 14:59:37 | w1ll14m|work | but in certain ways only the options who are set in autoload.cfg are set |
| 14:59:55 | w1ll14m|work | so the rest of user's cfg is loaded after autoload |
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| 15:00:25 | perl|wtf | unles it's some sort of first_boot.cfg |
| 15:00:48 | w1ll14m|work | that's the idea |
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| 15:01:00 | pixelma | no - only saving the settings has been moved to a textfile instead of storing it on the famous "otherwise unused sector of the disk" |
| 15:01:17 | w1ll14m|work | it's preloaded before user's cfg because of the volume and some sort of settings you wan't to load everu time rockbox gets loaded |
| 15:01:33 | perl|wtf | w1ll14m|work yeah but even if it's one setting that gets overwritten that might be confusing for beginners |
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| 15:02:10 | pixelma | for the user there's no noticable difference |
| 15:03:00 | w1ll14m|work | i've read about this option before but i want to know if it has been implemented |
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| 15:18:45 | Soap | If I set up a .torrent tracker for the Elephant's Dream encodes, and provide the initial seeding, may I add a link to the pluginmpegplayer wiki page? |
| 15:19:32 | linuxstb | Soap: I don't see why not. How are you planning on organising them? One torrent? One torrent per LCD size? |
| 15:19:53 | Soap | haven't made up my mind - was going to ask for input. |
| 15:20:12 | linuxstb | Maybe group them into LCD size - so each torrent has the fullscreen and widescreen versions. |
| 15:20:30 | Soap | If one torrent, it would be individual files so that people could pick-and-choose. The downside I see to that is people who already have some of the files would find it harder to seed. |
| 15:21:39 | linuxstb | Why? Then can just move their already-downloaded copies into the torrent directory. |
| 15:21:57 | linuxstb | s/Then/They/ |
| 15:22:13 | * | linuxstb discovers .tar files encodes integers as ASCII octal... |
| 15:23:04 | preglow | \o/ |
| 15:23:15 | Bagder | octal is too little used these days |
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| 15:26:53 | GodEater | is the svn build page broken? or is it just me ? |
| 15:27:03 | GodEater | just me |
| 15:27:04 | preglow | yes, you're broken |
| 15:27:05 | GodEater | never mind |
| 15:27:06 | GodEater | ;) |
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| 15:29:46 | Soap | linuxstb: oh, you are 100% correct. I was just thinking stupid-simple. ;) |
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| 15:32:44 | * | GodEater notices a rockbox-style.el for the first time |
| 15:33:27 | Soap | One .torrent per resolution will be the way. |
| 15:33:59 | Soap | (and a link to the original's distribution clause to keep my host happy) |
| 15:34:13 | GodEater | hmm - it appears broken |
| 15:34:25 | Bagder | GodEater: how broken? |
| 15:34:34 | * | Bagder is an avid user |
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| 15:37:17 | GodEater | I get smoe warnings attempting to byte-compile it (however my emacs skills are rusty) |
| 15:37:21 | GodEater | *some |
| 15:37:36 | Bagder | (load-file "/home/daniel/src/rockbox/tools/rockbox-style.el") |
| 15:37:47 | Bagder | works for me |
| 15:37:56 | GodEater | void-variable c-file-style |
| 15:38:38 | Bagder | oh |
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| 15:39:48 | GodEater | gnu emacs, or xemacs ? Or some other flavour ? |
| 15:39:58 | Bagder | the comment is wrong |
| 15:40:12 | Bagder | so the "local variables" thing does that if you have auto-evaluation |
| 15:40:14 | Bagder | which I don't |
| 15:41:00 | Bagder | I use plain gnu emacs |
| 15:41:09 | Bagder | 21.4.1 atm |
| 15:41:45 | GodEater | 21.4 here it seems too |
| 15:42:46 | Bagder | I do load-file on differen styles |
| 15:43:03 | Bagder | and then I have a add-hook on c-mode-common-hook to select the correct one |
| 15:43:06 | Bagder | based on the path |
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| 15:44:51 | Bagder | try this |
| 15:44:53 | Bagder | -;; * eval: (set c-file-style "rockbox") |
| 15:44:53 | Bagder | +;; * eval: (c-set-style "rockbox") |
| 15:45:38 | GodEater | ok |
| 15:47:03 | GodEater | that appears happier |
| 15:47:35 | GodEater | it certainly didn't complain this time |
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| 15:47:55 | stinke | ho, more people here than I expected |
| 15:48:13 | GodEater | quick - hide everyone |
| 15:48:18 | * | Bagder does his bot impression |
| 15:48:21 | stinke | ;) |
| 15:49:29 | markun | stinke: we'll be all very quiet so you can ask your question :) |
| 15:49:43 | stinke | oh, just wanted to see whats going on |
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| 15:50:44 | GodEater | we're hiding ;) |
| 15:51:04 | markun | stinke: do you have a player with rockbox? |
| 15:51:29 | GodEater | Bagder: I'm guessing a smart person that's trying to implement customisable menus would try not to break the voice system in the progress yes ? |
| 15:51:48 | Bagder | hah, yeah that's one of the challenges |
| 15:52:05 | stinke | eh, whell. I have a HDD100. Which I happen not to use anymore. So i'd put some effort into putting it to some use. |
| 15:52:09 | * | GodEater decides he may actually need a piece of paper or two... |
| 15:52:36 | stinke | Given that in about 3 weeks, I'm off the hook for 2 months at my uni. |
| 15:52:53 | GodEater | Although, I'm guessing since someone using this feature is writing their own menu, I don't need to worry about language support ? |
| 15:53:28 | markun | stinke: which company makes HDD100? |
| 15:53:35 | stinke | erm, sry, philips |
| 15:53:48 | stinke | its quite similar to the ipod 3. gen as far as i can see |
| 15:53:55 | Bagder | pp mi4 one yes |
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| 15:54:36 | Bagder | stinke: you might be able to run the Rockbox elio bootloader on it... |
| 15:54:41 | stinke | yeah. ive been reviewing some deadlisting of the decrypted firmware. maybe ill find some hints to make it work |
| 15:55:00 | stinke | ah..? ill have a look at that, thanks |
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| 15:55:18 | Bagder | stinke: it seems to be a fairly "standard" PP based player |
| 15:56:14 | stinke | yeah, thus im not selling mine on ebay for 1euro like everyone else. id make more use of it if it played plain mp3s. but even my handy does that better now. truely sad. |
| 15:56:35 | stinke | sound is quite good though, and magnesium+hardended glass case |
| 15:56:37 | stinke | really nice actually |
| 15:56:46 | * | Bagder explains to the crowd: "handy" being german for mobile phone ;-) |
| 15:56:47 | stinke | crappy firmware though |
| 15:57:12 | stinke | hehehe |
| 15:57:15 | stinke | got me ;D |
| 15:57:18 | phrozen77 | Bagder: or cellphone :) |
| 15:57:19 | * | Bagder grins |
| 15:57:22 | Bagder | yeah |
| 15:57:36 | Bagder | what is the most used word for it? |
| 15:57:40 | stinke | AFAIK people over in the uk say it now to |
| 15:57:44 | stinke | too |
| 15:57:50 | GodEater | erm nope |
| 15:57:53 | GodEater | it's just "mobile" here |
| 15:58:02 | stinke | ;) ah |
| 15:58:24 | w1ll14m|work | GodEater: I'm have created a little patch for the current cvs which will load autoload.cfg in the ipod root |
| 15:58:38 | GodEater | nice - but why tell me personally ? ;) |
| 15:58:46 | w1ll14m|work | it loads after config.cfg as overlay |
| 15:58:47 | Lynx_ | it's actually weird we use and english word for it that's not used in any other country |
| 15:59:01 | Bagder | :-) |
| 15:59:07 | w1ll14m|work | GodEater: still a little piece of text from previous message i was typing.... |
| 15:59:07 | phrozen77 | heh, i'd appreciate it if rockbox would be ported to the 5.5gen 80gb ipod :> |
| 15:59:13 | markun | w1ll14m|work: "current svn" of course :) |
| 15:59:34 | w1ll14m|work | markun: i can't get cvs uit of my head ;) indeed svn |
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| 16:00:13 | phrozen77 | coz most of the linux players implementation of writing to the itunes.db seems to be pretty much broken :| i fuck up the db like every other week |
| 16:00:22 | GodEater | phrozen77: LinusN is working on it - but it's non-trivial. |
| 16:00:45 | w1ll14m|work | anyone interested in patch? |
| 16:01:11 | phrozen77 | GodEater: do you know if there are any estimations about when it will be finished? |
| 16:01:33 | GodEater | think you've been here long enough to know the answer to that question.... |
| 16:01:47 | linuxstb | w1ll14m|work: You should post it to the patch tracker. I'm not sure if I like it, but I think it belongs in .rockbox, rather than the root. |
| 16:01:52 | LinusN | phrozen77: it will be finished when i am done |
| 16:02:11 | phrozen77 | LinusN: thought so :) no offense meant, though ;) |
| 16:02:15 | LinusN | :-) |
| 16:02:31 | w1ll14m|work | linuxstb: it's possible too, but i thought it woulb be easy to place it in root for easy edit... ;) |
| 16:02:56 | phrozen77 | LinusN: could i be of any help to you? besides coding, heh |
| 16:03:10 | GodEater | you could leave him in peace ? |
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| 16:03:14 | phrozen77 | sure :) |
| 16:03:23 | LinusN | phrozen77: not yet, but i will need testers |
| 16:03:38 | markun | w1ll14m|work: will you patch do the same as the ~ prefix? |
| 16:03:42 | GodEater | presuambly across all platforms too |
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| 16:03:52 | phrozen77 | LinusN: no problem, since i already format it every other week :P |
| 16:04:05 | w1ll14m|work | markun: ~ prefix ? |
| 16:04:05 | LinusN | hehe |
| 16:04:20 | markun | w1ll14m|work: check the last commit |
| 16:04:34 | GodEater | as I understand it, LinusN's changes will be far reaching across all RB targets and will need testing on pretty much everything. |
| 16:04:43 | LinusN | exactly |
| 16:05:06 | LinusN | ...which is why i don't rush it |
| 16:05:20 | Bagder | chicken |
| 16:05:24 | phrozen77 | lol |
| 16:05:26 | GodEater | hehe |
| 16:05:32 | w1ll14m|work | markun: i may be stupid but i don't understand :) |
| 16:05:51 | markun | w1ll14m|work: http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-20070124T034753Z.html |
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| 16:07:42 | w1ll14m|work | markun: no, it's a static file and isn't edited by rockbox config.cfg will have volume: 1 and autoload.cfg volume: -25 (autoload is loaded after config.cfg) |
| 16:08:22 | markun | w1ll14m|work: so, what will it do? |
| 16:08:35 | markun | always set volume to -25? |
| 16:08:59 | Soap | does someone mind testing http://rockbox.cleansoap.org/tracker/ ? |
| 16:08:59 | GodEater | now look - you called him chicken and he left ! |
| 16:09:10 | w1ll14m|work | markun: unless you change autoload.cfg in /.rockbox/autoload.cfg |
| 16:09:29 | Bagder | perhaps we should allow some kind of include from a config file |
| 16:09:45 | markun | w1ll14m|work: why is that better than changing config.cfg? |
| 16:09:53 | Nico_P | does someone want to test my new cuesheet patch ? no it's working the other way round : mp3 loads cue |
| 16:09:59 | w1ll14m|work | badger: i was thinking that too, but that was beyond my knownledge |
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| 16:10:12 | w1ll14m|work | markun: config.cfg is edited by rockbox when it shut's down |
| 16:10:40 | markun | w1ll14m|work: but not the settings with ~ prepended |
| 16:10:47 | w1ll14m|work | markun: so it saves the current volume theme etc, autoload is an overlay that is loaded directly after config.cfg allows a static volume to be set |
| 16:11:05 | w1ll14m|work | markun: i think so |
| 16:11:08 | markun | so your patch does the same as the last commit, but in a different way |
| 16:11:18 | markun | that's what I am trying to explain |
| 16:11:34 | * | Bagder agrees |
| 16:12:04 | w1ll14m|work | markun: indeed, but you can always add more if you want ;) |
| 16:12:24 | w1ll14m|work | markun: i didn't know about the prefix option |
| 16:12:33 | w1ll14m|work | ;) |
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| 16:15:26 | w1ll14m|work | if it could be usefull to anyone i have the patch :) |
| 16:15:35 | austriancoder | I have updateded http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AustriaMicrosystems - please have a look at it |
| 16:16:44 | markun | austriancoder: nice work man |
| 16:17:12 | Bagder | austriancoder: LinusN is gonna try to go there |
| 16:17:35 | Bagder | whereever that is... |
| 16:17:38 | austriancoder | Bagder: wow.. |
| 16:17:48 | Bagder | where are they located? |
| 16:18:09 | * | austriancoder looks in google maps |
| 16:20:08 | Bagder | "our headquarters at Unterpremstaetten are just 10 km outside of Graz" |
| 16:20:15 | austriancoder | http://maps.google.de/maps?f=q&hl=de&q=%96sterreich,+Unterpremstaetten&sll=50.092393,10.195313&sspn=17.903982,37.265625&ie=UTF8&om=1&z=6&ll=45.95115,15.754395&spn=9.686331,27.773438&iwloc=addr |
| 16:20:29 | austriancoder | yep.. in austria.. |
| 16:21:43 | Bagder | any estimate for when you'd get the data sheet? |
| 16:21:56 | Bagder | for 3514 |
| 16:22:30 | austriancoder | Bagder: he told me that we will send it to me.. but i dont know when... will check my mailbox more often :) |
| 16:22:38 | Bagder | hehe |
| 16:27:07 | * | austriancoder has checked how far away the company is... about 600km and it took about 8 hours by train |
| 16:28:03 | Bagder | is that like 200km from Wien? |
| 16:28:56 | austriancoder | Bagder: jep |
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| 16:31:29 | Bagder | Stockholm => Wien goes for around 330 euros |
| 16:31:59 | Bagder | for a random date in feb |
| 16:32:22 | Slasheri | hmm |
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| 16:33:46 | Bagder | Slasheri: looked at xen.ihme.org? |
| 16:33:57 | Bagder | it has/had no svn checkout |
| 16:34:25 | perl|work | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex - this page is missing any gigabeat info |
| 16:34:45 | Bagder | perl|work: so edit it! |
| 16:34:50 | markun | it's a wiki |
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| 16:35:41 | Slasheri | Bagder: ah, so i need to remove the old cvs checkout and recheckout from svn? |
| 16:35:59 | Bagder | yes |
| 16:36:03 | DerPapst_ | Bagder: the read permission for http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/mbr-video80gb-2048.bin is not setted. |
| 16:36:04 | Slasheri | ok, will do that |
| 16:36:10 | DerPapst_ | same with mbr-3g-40gb.bin |
| 16:36:21 | markun | Slasheri: any nice things your are secretly working on? |
| 16:36:28 | Bagder | Slasheri: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2007-01/0049.shtml |
| 16:37:01 | Slasheri | markun: hehe, well there is the improved gui list code and scrollwheel code for ipods |
| 16:37:12 | Bagder | ... but the "mv" can be "rm -rf" instead ;-) |
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| 16:37:17 | Slasheri | but there is still something to cleanup before a commit |
| 16:37:55 | Slasheri | Bagder: nice :) |
| 16:38:37 | Slasheri | with ihme.org there seems to be another problem with too old version of svn |
| 16:38:52 | Slasheri | svn: This client is too old to work with working copy ''; please get a newer Subversion client |
| 16:39:07 | Slasheri | i can try to update it if it's possible to do that without upgrading the whole system |
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| 16:41:50 | Slasheri | Bagder: done on xen.ihme.org (or is doing the checkout at the moment) |
| 16:42:09 | Bagder | great |
| 16:42:20 | Bagder | it is such a lovely build friend ;-) |
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| 16:44:07 | * | stinke hates compiling gcc ;-/ |
| 16:44:31 | Bagder | stinke: rockboxdev.sh... |
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| 16:46:11 | GodEater | perhaps he means he just hates watching it compile. In which case I recommend the monitor's "off" switch :) |
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| 16:46:59 | stinke | ah, gentoo (crossdev) does those nasty little bits for me .. |
| 16:48:17 | stinke | i usually mask those, otherwise id be maintaining x86, avr and arm for every new release of gcc |
| 16:48:44 | Bagder | I wouldn't recommend that route |
| 16:49:04 | linuxstb | Bagder: Did you see DerPapst_'s message about 10 minutes ago - file permission problems on download.rockbox.org |
| 16:49:50 | Bagder | I'm on it |
| 16:50:15 | GodEater | stinke: I agree with Bagder - I'm on gentoo too - but crossdev is a pain in the ass |
| 16:50:16 | linuxstb | Thanks - thought you might have missed it, as you're normally faster than this... :) |
| 16:50:35 | Bagder | crossdev has messed it up for more than one rockbox dev too |
| 16:50:43 | stinke | hmm, i do only need stage one right? (gcc+binutils) |
| 16:50:48 | GodEater | rockboxdev.sh is much easier |
| 16:51:10 | linuxstb | And it's also not recommended to update gcc very often - things have the habit of breaking. |
| 16:51:32 | stinke | linuxstb, oh, yeah, im aware of that! ;) |
| 16:52:47 | dune2 | stinke: yep, only -s1 is needed |
| 16:53:34 | dune2 | stinke: I use it at home, gcc-4.1.1 and binutils 2.17 .... and it compiles without error rockbox |
| 16:53:39 | stinke | ill see how far i get with the generic arm-elf install with crossdev, since i started the compile already. The rockbox script is generic arm(thumb) otherwise right, so no required hacks on the gcc codebase right? |
| 16:53:46 | Bagder | stinke: and for arm, you should probably go with 4.0.3 |
| 16:54:09 | Bagder | again, unless you want to challenge the gods |
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| 16:54:25 | * | GodEater keeps a sacrifical chicken on hand at all times |
| 16:54:36 | * | Bagder uses goats |
| 16:54:45 | * | Bagder runs off to make food |
| 16:54:46 | GodEater | too posh for me |
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| 16:55:23 | stinke | ah, active profile is set to gcc 3.4.6 anyhow... i don't remember why but i did so for some reason... |
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| 16:57:36 | dune2 | stinke: crossdev very cool under gentoo ... just "crossdev -s1 arm-elf" and you will get a working toolchain for arm :) |
| 16:58:54 | stinke | some people seem to disagree ;) |
| 16:59:25 | stinke | i had it working for a generic atmel sam7S32 |
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| 17:03:01 | Nico_P | linuxstb: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6460#comment12662 |
| 17:04:37 | * | austriancoder uses also crossdev and it works for me (tm) |
| 17:06:07 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Just reading the patch now... |
| 17:06:53 | GodEater | anyone else feel like shouting at the most recent poster in the 80GB thread for non-RB development comments? |
| 17:13:17 | perl|work | so, why not make this the official rockbox "theme" that comes preloaded? |
| 17:13:21 | perl|work | Roan/docs/rockbock/wps/ROCKboxed_screenshots/">http://www.horning.us/Members/Roan/docs/rockbock/wps/ROCKboxed_screenshots/ |
| 17:15:51 | GodEater | what does it look like on black and white targets ? |
| 17:16:28 | GodEater | I note there are only pictures there for 2 out of the myriad DAPS that Rockbox supports... |
| 17:17:30 | markun | but I do quite like the style |
| 17:17:48 | austriancoder | very orange |
| 17:18:01 | GodEater | I'm not saying it's a bad theme - but if it's to become the RB *default* it needs to work across a lot more than just two targets |
| 17:18:09 | markun | GodEater: I know that |
| 17:18:16 | Soap | linuxstb / Bagder: What do you think about http://rockbox.cleansoap.org/tracker ? |
| 17:18:23 | GodEater | I actually like it quite a lot too :) |
| 17:18:44 | austriancoder | GodEater: Roan/docs/rockbock/wps/ROCKboxed_screenshots?b_start:int=10">http://www.horning.us/Members/Roan/docs/rockbock/wps/ROCKboxed_screenshots?b_start:int=10 |
| 17:18:46 | perl|work | GodEater he has versions for almost all targets now |
| 17:19:07 | GodEater | ah ha - so he has |
| 17:19:13 | GodEater | thanks :) |
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| 17:19:55 | GodEater | looks pretty nice on the H140 - better than I would have thought. |
| 17:20:10 | markun | Just the X5? |
| 17:21:04 | perl|work | i assumming it's possible now to load an wps right from the start (for the improved new users experience) |
| 17:22:03 | GodEater | my F40 shipped today |
| 17:22:35 | perl|work | markun gigabeat one looks a bit empty but he is open for all suggestions |
| 17:22:44 | markun | perl|work: I like empty :) |
| 17:22:48 | perl|work | aha |
| 17:22:52 | perl|work | :) |
| 17:23:08 | * | GodEater means the Ferrari...honest.... |
| 17:23:09 | perl|work | well, clock and date would be a nice addition at least |
| 17:23:24 | markun | yes, probably |
| 17:24:28 | markun | and maybe it's time to add some bigger default fonts for targets with a higher resolution |
| 17:25:52 | Soap | and unicorns. |
| 17:26:00 | linuxstb | perl|work: The new config file system doesn't make setting different defaults any different - we could always set a different default WPS, it's just that no-one did. |
| 17:26:41 | linuxstb | But see here - I'm awaiting feedback and for any objections. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6568 |
| 17:27:01 | linuxstb | (we can always change the default font/wps later when better options are available) |
| 17:29:00 | markun | linuxstb: I'm also talking about the embedded font |
| 17:29:44 | markun | it was nice during debugging to have so much on the screen, but for general use it's too small on the Gigabeat (and ipod video too I guess) |
| 17:29:46 | perl|work | well that wps i posted "reflects" rockbox much better (in my opinion) than iCatcher and basically ready for all targets, so maybe it makes sense to poll it? |
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| 17:32:19 | linuxstb | I prefer iCatcher as it has more information in it - showing off more Rockbox capabilities... |
| 17:32:56 | markun | I prefer the orange one |
| 17:33:06 | linuxstb | But we're only talking about a default... |
| 17:33:22 | markun | having them both is rockbox would be nice anyway |
| 17:33:57 | linuxstb | I agree. |
| 17:35:21 | perl|work | linuxstb well as i said, the author is very open to suggestions and his theme has a much more cleaner, pro look, if you please |
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| 17:37:18 | markun | what are the icons with 3 items at the bottom? Roan/docs/rockbock/wps/ROCKboxed_screenshots/photoalbum_photo_view?b_start=17">http://www.horning.us/Members/Roan/docs/rockbock/wps/ROCKboxed_screenshots/photoalbum_photo_view?b_start=17 |
| 17:37:52 | perl|work | shuffle and repeat |
| 17:38:17 | Soap | first is volume, then shuffle, then repeat shuffle, then play, then battery. |
| 17:39:11 | Soap | oh, I guess you ment just shuffle and repeat shuffle (icons with three items - duh - I get it now) |
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| 17:40:27 | markun | Soap: I really don't recognise anything in them.. |
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| 17:41:26 | Soap | I don't quite get the icons either. |
| 17:41:34 | perl|work | you have to try it |
| 17:41:38 | pixelma | markun: and then you like it better? ;) |
| 17:41:41 | perl|work | its quite intuitive |
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| 17:43:21 | austriancoder | rp-: hi |
| 17:43:24 | markun | pixelma: yes, even then :) |
| 17:43:45 | rp- | hi |
| 17:44:00 | rp- | did you get the datasheet yet? |
| 17:44:12 | pixelma | markun: I'm waiting for the Archos version though... |
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| 17:45:02 | markun | pixelma: it will look very nice on the player |
| 17:45:11 | perl|work | guys just try it, he has nice intuitive icons for every option |
| 17:45:56 | austriancoder | rp-: no.. i think in the next days |
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| 18:02:25 | Nico_P | linuxstb: had a look at the patch ? |
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| 18:02:35 | Febs | Just catching up on the last hour of discussion. I'm very much in favor of making the Rockboxed WPS the default. |
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| 18:05:39 | pixelma | my impression was that this theme is not yet finished (in some details and also missing versions for some targets) |
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| 18:06:29 | markun | LinusN arrives at the scene to use his veto.. |
| 18:06:59 | LinusN | ok, then i say "over my dead body!" |
| 18:07:05 | LinusN | :-) |
| 18:07:28 | LinusN | what are you discussing? :-) |
| 18:07:34 | LinusN | ah, the wps |
| 18:07:54 | markun | :) |
| 18:08:10 | LinusN | i like it quite a lot - i think the icons are a bit confusing, but what icons aren't? |
| 18:08:31 | LinusN | the orange background takes some getting used to |
| 18:08:40 | LinusN | but overall a nice, clean wps |
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| 18:09:46 | perl|work | i think the author needs some sort of an official approval and suggestions |
| 18:09:54 | Febs | The orange background may not be something that people will prefer to use on a day-to-day basis, but it definitely would give Rockbox on the player a look and feel consistent with the website, cover page of the manual, etc. |
| 18:10:10 | LinusN | Febs: that's my though too |
| 18:10:11 | markun | perl|work: let him come here to discuss it |
| 18:10:13 | LinusN | thought |
| 18:10:20 | perl|work | he said he'd be more than happy to finish all the targets |
| 18:10:31 | Febs | It would certainy reduce the "how can I tell if I'm in Rockbox" questions. |
| 18:11:14 | perl|work | ok lets try to get him in here |
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| 18:15:34 | Nico_P | LinusN: i've got a cuesheet patch ready... wanna see ? |
| 18:16:12 | perl|work | Nico_P wow |
| 18:16:16 | LinusN | Nico_P: busy now, maybe later |
| 18:16:20 | Nico_P | ok |
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| 18:16:30 | Nico_P | perl|work: wow what ? |
| 18:18:08 | perl|work | Nico_P well, the cuesheet patch, gets me excited all the time :P |
| 18:18:15 | Nico_P | :) |
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| 18:18:25 | perl|work | the author writes-"I'm about done a port for the iAudio X5" |
| 18:18:46 | Nico_P | hopefully it will soon be ready for inclusion in svn |
| 18:22:22 | linuxstb | Nico_P: It's looking good to me, but I haven't tested the latest version yet. |
| 18:23:47 | Nico_P | :) |
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| 18:31:18 | t-nine | can i have wiki write permissions? |
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| 18:31:43 | perl|work | ok, the author of ROCKboxed might drop by here soon |
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| 18:37:53 | pixelma | perl|work: does this theme show the next track info? (that's one thing I like to see) |
| 18:39:11 | pixelma | the wps of the theme of course |
| 18:39:34 | perl|work | pixelma not as of now, he basically showed the idea and left the room for the suggestions |
| 18:39:49 | perl|work | with the "unified look across the targets" in mind |
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| 18:43:57 | perl|work | i think right now it has the same look across the targets but the devices with bigger screens need suggestions |
| 18:44:17 | fasmaie | perl|work: which theme is this? |
| 18:44:25 | perl|work | ROCKboxed |
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| 18:45:21 | fasmaie | That's a nice one. |
| 18:45:51 | fasmaie | However, it may have to come in a small screen/large screen format |
| 18:46:04 | fasmaie | With more info on the larger screen targets |
| 18:46:20 | perl|work | fasmaie yes, thats the idea |
| 18:46:57 | rp- | is there a generic way to find out where the entry point for arm code is? i'm "trying" to disassemble/read the bootloader code from the sansa |
| 18:47:23 | rp- | or is there something to read on the need, what could be usefull? |
| 18:47:31 | Bagder | rp-: adress 0x0 |
| 18:48:41 | linuxstb | Be aware that most of the bootloader is thumb code though. |
| 18:48:58 | Bagder | yes, the sansa BL code is mostly thumb |
| 18:49:43 | rp- | i read that, i disassembled with -Mforce-thumb |
| 18:50:06 | barrywardell | it doesn't start in thumb mode though |
| 18:50:09 | linuxstb | But not everything is... |
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| 18:51:51 | rp- | i also try to use ida pro, but i don't really know how it works, i guess disassambling isn't easy ;) |
| 18:52:50 | Bagder | hehe, nopes |
| 18:53:19 | SaLoMoN | Hi |
| 18:53:27 | SaLoMoN | I just installed rockbox on my sansa |
| 18:54:07 | SaLoMoN | but I can't use the doom plugin |
| 18:54:25 | SaLoMoN | and now i get "Missing Base WAD" |
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| 18:54:45 | massiveH | you need to download the wads listed on the wikipage |
| 18:55:07 | stinke | heh, reminds me of doom ;D |
| 18:55:13 | massiveH | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 18:55:22 | stinke | ah, i get it |
| 18:55:23 | stinke | cool |
| 18:55:26 | massiveH | that page should have all the info for it, I think |
| 18:55:32 | stinke | should have read the line above |
| 18:55:41 | stinke | thought it was a coincidence |
| 18:56:59 | SaLoMoN | thx |
| 18:57:16 | massiveH | I don't know if it works on that target, but it's an awesome plugin. |
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| 18:58:17 | rp- | yes it works on the sansa |
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| 18:58:46 | massiveH | well then, SaLoMoN will enjoy that plugin! |
| 18:58:55 | SaLoMoN | yeah |
| 18:59:05 | SaLoMoN | but I can't listen to music with rockbox |
| 18:59:05 | SaLoMoN | ^^ |
| 18:59:23 | stinke | hmm, gp2x rocks for that matter. quake runs ;) |
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| 19:01:14 | SaLoMoN | mh |
| 19:01:22 | SaLoMoN | are there any gameboy emulators for it? |
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| 19:02:03 | stinke | yup |
| 19:02:16 | massiveH | there is a gameboy emulator for rockbox, but I don't know if it runs on sansa? |
| 19:02:30 | stinke | http://archive.gp2x.de/cgi-bin/cfiles.cgi?0,0,0,0,5 |
| 19:02:43 | stinke | oh, rockbox.. |
| 19:02:55 | barrywardell | rockboy does run on the sansa |
| 19:03:00 | barrywardell | but it's not real-time |
| 19:03:16 | massiveH | is it playable like the irivers? |
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| 19:03:22 | stinke | ah, i was just gonna ask |
| 19:03:32 | barrywardell | it's quite slow |
| 19:03:34 | stinke | how they would be powerfull enough to do that |
| 19:03:36 | SaLoMoN | mh |
| 19:03:38 | stinke | hrml |
| 19:03:59 | barrywardell | i don't know how fast the irivers are in comparison |
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| 19:04:56 | massiveH | it runs fast enough on irivers to be able to play a game, not realtime, but it does run faster than one frame per year |
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| 19:09:45 | barrywardell | it's maybe a few fps on the sansa |
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| 19:24:18 | Soul-Slayer | Hello, could anyone clarify whether the iriver H10 is an ARM target or not? |
| 19:25:08 | barrywardell | it is ARM |
| 19:25:18 | Soul-Slayer | Thank you. |
| 19:25:19 | barrywardell | dual arm7tdmi to be precise |
| 19:25:38 | massiveH | that's pretty precise. |
| 19:26:26 | Soul-Slayer | Thank you, I noticed a recent commit of 'Assembler optimised ATA transfer loops for ARM targets. Only used for PP5020/5021/5022 targets atm.'. Do you know if this aids the H10 in any way? |
| 19:26:52 | barrywardell | yes it does. H10 is PP5020 |
| 19:27:15 | Soul-Slayer | Great, thank you, time to update my rockbox again I believe :p. |
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| 19:32:35 | tamacracker | What's up guys? Any new updates on the Rock Box for Toshiba GIgabeat? |
| 19:34:56 | n1s | Bagder: a few quirks are left: the releases, daily builds, manual and irc pages on rockbox.org still says CVS builds in the menu on the left, otherwise it's looking good :-) |
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| 19:45:28 | n1s | I'm about to get rid of the super annoying 2sec bl timeout when battery is low, but do we want to keep the othe battery low stuf, (no BL fade, short spindown timeout)? |
| 19:49:45 | massiveH | huh, I thought that 2 second thing with the backlight and battery low was a problem with my player... |
| 19:49:54 | massiveH | didn't know it was a "feature" |
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| 19:55:09 | barrywardell | n1s: I have no attachment to those features. I don't mind if you get rid of them |
| 19:55:10 | foolsh | has anyone else had ?random? lockups on the e200 target since the Assembler optimised ATA update? |
| 19:55:11 | tucoz | hmm. i just tried to run iriver_flash on the svn build for the h120, but got a 'uncompatible bootloader' in return. Is there a new bootloader somewhere? |
| 19:55:26 | barrywardell | foolsh: i was just wondering about that myself |
| 19:55:33 | barrywardell | i have been getting random lockups |
| 19:55:33 | foolsh | oh ok |
| 19:55:39 | foolsh | me 3 |
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| 19:55:54 | barrywardell | but hadn't figured out what it was until you mentioned it |
| 19:56:21 | barrywardell | maybe we should ping amiconn about it... |
| 19:56:37 | foolsh | seems so |
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| 19:57:14 | barrywardell | foolsh: have you determined that that is the cause (ie. did it work with a build from before but not after the commit)? |
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| 19:59:07 | argonel | any progress on the as3514? |
| 19:59:09 | n1s | barrywardell: ok, I'll get rid of them, it seems strange to try to save battery when it's almost out and wast when it's not... |
| 19:59:18 | foolsh | barrywardell: hasn't happened till today when i built the latest and greatest from svn when i saw the ata change for the PP5020/5021/5022 targets |
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| 20:00:03 | foolsh | barrywardell: I can't reproduce it it seems random |
| 20:00:05 | barrywardell | it seems like the most likely culprit anyway |
| 20:00:14 | barrywardell | it seems quite random to me too |
| 20:00:43 | barrywardell | we should run the test_disk plugin on it and see what happens |
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| 20:03:58 | Nico_P | what does the test_disk plugin do exactly ? |
| 20:04:17 | barrywardell | test's disk speed |
| 20:05:55 | barrywardell | and does a stress test |
| 20:06:01 | linuxstb | The ATA optimisations shouldn't have affected the e200 at all - they are not compiled. |
| 20:06:29 | barrywardell | test_disk crashes on my sansa |
| 20:06:41 | foolsh | yup mine too |
| 20:06:43 | linuxstb | That's not a good sign... |
| 20:06:55 | linuxstb | During the speed test or the stress test? |
| 20:07:11 | foolsh | or rather locks up: speed test |
| 20:07:39 | barrywardell | linuxstb: good point. it freezes doing both |
| 20:07:45 | barrywardell | and randomly at other times during disk access |
| 20:08:15 | tucoz | n1s, do you think we could add the iriver flashing procedure to the manual now? |
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| 20:09:13 | linuxstb | Looking at ata-sansa.c, there is something odd. MrH's NAND_interface.txt file specifies the registers as being 16-bit, but ata-sansa.c treats them as 32-bit. |
| 20:09:13 | tucoz | the procedure itself feels safe enough, but i am not sure as the flashing involves a semi official bootloader |
| 20:09:26 | amiconn | foolsh: The assembler optimised ata code for pp doesn't affect the e200 at all |
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| 20:09:55 | preglow | linuxstb: good going! |
| 20:10:06 | Llorean | tucoz: Wait until we have a fully official bootloader version for it. |
| 20:10:21 | tucoz | Llorean, righto. i think i agree with you. |
| 20:10:48 | Llorean | Anything in the manual more or less *becomes* official, as far as I'm concerned, so if you were to add it, everyone would instantly assume that it's fully supported, and I'd rather just wait until there's a proper new bootloader version. |
| 20:11:26 | barrywardell | amiconn: linuxstb just pointed that out too. must be something else causing the freezes on disk access. sorry for the false alarm |
| 20:11:33 | amiconn | barrywardell: If test_disk crashes or locks up, something must be wrong with the sd driver |
| 20:11:43 | tucoz | Llorean, so be it |
| 20:11:58 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Did you see my 32-bit/16-bit question? |
| 20:12:24 | barrywardell | linuxstb: yes, I did |
| 20:12:27 | barrywardell | looking at it now |
| 20:12:41 | barrywardell | doesn't explain why it has only started crashing recently though... |
| 20:12:58 | linuxstb | I'm not sure what the consequence of accessing 16-bit registers as ints would be though - especially on little-endian hardware. |
| 20:13:18 | linuxstb | But it means that you can use amiconn's optimisations on the sansa - the copy_read_sectors() function looks identical. |
| 20:13:36 | linuxstb | But obviously make it stable first... |
| 20:14:48 | barrywardell | the thing is I only noticed the problem arising today, so it's probably quite new |
| 20:15:05 | barrywardell | now, why are there no old daily builds for the sansa for me to test :( |
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| 20:15:50 | n1s | tucoz: Yes, I agree with you that we should wait too, Slasheri should decide when he is happy witth the bootloader/flashing stuff and it has been tested thoroughly. |
| 20:16:24 | tucoz | yes. i think it is wise to keep the flashing hidden in the wiki for now. |
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| 20:16:58 | barrywardell | ah, they're there on download.rockbox.org, but not on the daily builds page |
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| 20:18:17 | barrywardell | Bagder: any ideas about old sansa daily builds being missing? |
| 20:18:36 | barrywardell | linuxstb: i'll test to see if using shorts instead makes any difference |
| 20:18:38 | foolsh | would Nils Wallménius's changes on the 23 Jan 15:43 with ata driver have something to do with the lockups on the e200? |
| 20:19:20 | foolsh | those woould have happened before my last build |
| 20:20:40 | barrywardell | or jdgordon's |
| 20:20:40 | barrywardell | ? |
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| 20:21:59 | foolsh | either way its way past my bedtime night all |
| 20:24:25 | barrywardell | time for me to go too. i'll test tomorrow unless someone else gets there first |
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| 20:24:52 | amiconn | ata.c isn't used for the e200 |
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| 20:45:19 | n1s | is this just a typo in powermgmt.c? (the sinle '|') #elif defined(HAVE_WM8758) || defined(HAVE_WM8975) | defined(HAVE_WM8731) |
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| 20:50:00 | SaLoMoN | can anyone give me some pacman maps?^^ |
| 20:52:30 | n1s | as in pacman roms? no we can't |
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| 20:53:42 | robin0800_ | where do i find arm-elf-gcc 4 0 3 |
| 20:54:05 | robin0800_ | only got 4 0 2 @present |
| 20:54:07 | n1s | you build it, witj rocboxdev.sh |
| 20:54:51 | robin0800_ | whats the full command? |
| 20:55:02 | n1s | rocboxdev.sh |
| 20:55:32 | robin0800_ | svn rockboc.sh is this it |
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| 20:59:01 | markun | robin0800_: 4.0.2 works fine too |
| 20:59:34 | markun | n1s: looks like a typo |
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| 21:00:25 | sneakums | robin0800_: it's rockboxdev.sh, in the tools directory of your svn checkout |
| 21:01:30 | * | dan_a runs test_disk on the Sansa flash driver |
| 21:01:37 | * | dan_a hangs his head in shame |
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| 21:05:00 | n1s | markun: does this look ok http://pastebin.ca/327204 |
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| 21:07:01 | markun | n1s: yes, much better |
| 21:07:54 | dan_a | I wonder if aligned writes on the Sansa will be quicker if I take the lcd_update() call out... |
| 21:08:58 | markun | n1s: also the WM8751 needs to call this function I think. Are there in fact any hardware codecs without this function? |
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| 21:11:39 | n1s | markun: I dunno, but it's not implemented for the sansa yet at least.... |
| 21:12:13 | markun | n1s: maybe better to add a stub for the sansa audio driver then |
| 21:12:26 | n1s | hmmm, yes... |
| 21:13:24 | * | amiconn wonders whether audiohw_close() (and some other functions should be replaced by an empty #define on targets which don't have it |
| 21:13:38 | amiconn | Less #ifdefing... |
| 21:14:27 | pixelma | markun: do you know if there are other nimbus-fonts out there? I'm searching for other sizes... |
| 21:16:31 | pixelma | I found nimbus-18 but not smaller ones |
| 21:16:50 | n1s | amiconn: where might one do that, for those targets missing it? |
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| 21:18:26 | webguest67 | hello all! |
| 21:18:56 | markun | pixelma: they are all based on the Chicago font, maybe you can find smaller version of that |
| 21:19:20 | markun | hi webguest67! |
| 21:19:31 | pixelma | ah thanks! |
| 21:20:12 | * | n1s goes away to assemble ikea lamps... |
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| 21:32:03 | habana | Can anyone using latest RB for Sansa confirm me that (right/left moves) are done with the wheel ? i'm a bit confused between my versions :/ |
| 21:32:36 | dan_a | habana: Up/Down is done with the wheel, left and right with |<< and >>| |
| 21:32:59 | habana | wasnt the patch for wheel commited ? |
| 21:34:12 | dan_a | Yes |
| 21:34:23 | habana | maybe i only did it locally . I find it's way better to frag |
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| 21:34:58 | dan_a | Hmmm... I think maybe you're talking about one particular plugin? |
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| 21:35:53 | habana | oups, the doom patch. sorry |
| 21:36:01 | habana | lol |
| 21:36:46 | Llorean | Doom also needs a 90 degree rotate, and "Record" would probably make a good shoot button for it actually |
| 21:36:56 | dan_a | No, the wheel patch hasn't been committed - Yossa told me it wasn't ready (the wheel moves too slowly) |
| 21:38:13 | habana | still usable :) |
| 21:38:37 | dan_a | I'm working on fixing the problems with the flash driver at the moment - the results shouldn't be like this: http://www.pastebin.ca/327245 |
| 21:39:33 | Llorean | 91kb/s is a wee bit slow |
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| 21:40:23 | dan_a | Unfortunately I think I trashed my Sansa's FS with a bug in the driver - formatting time! |
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| 21:41:41 | massiveH | ouch, that hurts. |
| 21:44:29 | * | amiconn wonders what goes wrong on sansa wrt create and aligned write |
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| 21:45:12 | dan_a | amiconn: I think it's the lcd_update() call I accidentally left in copy_write_sectors |
| 21:45:38 | amiconn | rofl |
| 21:46:11 | amiconn | No wonder the speed test seems to "hang" |
| 21:46:32 | amiconn | Does the sansa have 32MB ram as most other swcodecs? |
| 21:46:40 | dan_a | I believe so |
| 21:47:11 | amiconn | At 91KB/s, writing just the speed test file will take > 5 mins |
| 21:48:56 | dan_a | It's nice that we have the LED which lights up when you move the scroll wheel to confirm that it hasn't hung |
| 21:49:03 | Bagder | hey, the sansa c200 series use mi4 too... |
| 21:49:15 | amiconn | One lcd update per 16-bit transfer? |
| 21:49:28 | amiconn | whoah |
| 21:49:38 | dan_a | amiconn: Only on aligned transfers. |
| 21:49:53 | amiconn | yup |
| 21:50:58 | * | amiconn thinks that something can't be right with the sansa's lcd_update then |
| 21:51:00 | Mikachu | dan_a: it's not entirely unlikely the backlight will continue to function after a hang, if it's called from irq context |
| 21:51:28 | amiconn | It means that lcd_update() does >45000fps |
| 21:51:35 | dan_a | Bagder: I thought that the c200s were Telechips-based? I must be mistaken. They have AS3514 DACs, IIRC |
| 21:51:47 | n1s | amiconn: where would be a good place to define auidohw_close() as an empty macro for unsupported targets? |
| 21:51:53 | dan_a | amiconn: We've not worked out how to make the update synchronous yet |
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| 21:52:00 | Bagder | dan_a: I got an mi4 mailed to me, complete with decryption key ;-) |
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| 21:52:52 | amiconn | n1s: Hmm, probably some audio related .h file. |
| 21:53:04 | amiconn | Not sure which one |
| 21:54:53 | amiconn | dan_a: As linuxstb said, you can also try ata-as-arm.S on sansa. The transfer loops are identical, you just need a different "ata" port address in the asm, and 2 #defines and declarations in ata-target.h |
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| 21:55:41 | GodEater | Bagder: did it arrive in the obligatory plain brown envelope delivered by a man in a trench coat and trilby ? |
| 21:55:46 | dan_a | amiconn: I'll try that once I've fixed the problems |
| 21:56:11 | Bagder | GodEater: unfortunately not, clearly I must give better instructions to the outside world |
| 21:56:51 | GodEater | I just assumed it was from MrH - clearly you have another benefactor who doesn't guard his identity so well ? |
| 21:57:16 | Bagder | this is from a new friend, who used mi4code successfully |
| 21:57:24 | GodEater | ah |
| 21:58:01 | GodEater | I get the impression mi4code takes a while to run ? |
| 21:58:13 | Bagder | no |
| 21:58:30 | Bagder | its a quickie |
| 21:58:34 | * | GodEater wonders at the "successfully" qualifier then |
| 21:58:40 | GodEater | it sometimes doesn't work ? |
| 21:58:51 | Llorean | GodEater: People have difficulty with console apps, y'know. |
| 21:58:51 | Bagder | he scanned for the key using the BL as input |
| 21:58:58 | GodEater | ah |
| 21:59:13 | GodEater | Llorean: no? really? I'd never noticed ;) |
| 21:59:29 | Bagder | it mainly proves he understands how things connect and hints at a cluelevel about average ;-) |
| 21:59:42 | Bagder | I meant "above" |
| 21:59:54 | GodEater | I thought so :) |
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| 22:00:18 | GodEater | was it something I said ? |
| 22:00:40 | Bagder | you forgot to add "sir" when you addressed him! |
| 22:00:44 | GodEater | ah yes |
| 22:00:46 | Bagder | *g* |
| 22:00:48 | GodEater | I'll do better next time :) |
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| 22:01:00 | GodEater | sorry sir |
| 22:01:06 | * | Bagder giggles |
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| 22:01:51 | Llorean | Hahaha |
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| 22:02:48 | habana | console what ? |
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| 22:03:19 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:04:13 | dan_a | Oh dear... taking the lcd_update call out seems to have stopped the test_disk plugin working at all |
| 22:04:52 | GodEater | because clearly the lcd is a core part of disk accesses ?!?!?! |
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| 22:09:46 | Llorean | Cleary |
| 22:09:56 | Llorean | Clearly even |
| 22:10:09 | amiconn | dan_a: Did you try changing the register width? |
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| 22:11:10 | dan_a | amiconn: I'm pretty sure that's how I trashed the filesystem, by not doing that right. |
| 22:12:54 | GodEater | why on earth does that guy in the apple forum feel he has to put his PC in safemode to run the iPod / Rockbox install ?!? |
| 22:13:14 | GodEater | and what's with the msconfig crap ? |
| 22:14:10 | Llorean | GodEater: I think that's for the "if you don't have admin access on the computer" |
| 22:15:12 | GodEater | I can only imagine that's of any use if you're not supposed to have admin access |
| 22:15:25 | GodEater | and in that case - I imagine the machine will be better locked down than that |
| 22:15:38 | Llorean | Windows security is somewhat lax. If you've created a User account but haven't actually put any restrictions on admin access other than not logging into it, maybe. |
| 22:16:13 | Llorean | A lot of WindowsXP machines log you in as a User by default without showing the login screen but don't have any real restrictions. The kinds of computers you buy at Walmart. |
| 22:16:41 | GodEater | so you could always do "Run As" ? |
| 22:16:53 | GodEater | safe mode seems an odd way to do it |
| 22:17:05 | GodEater | mind you |
| 22:17:13 | GodEater | I've not used XP Home in *years* |
| 22:17:13 | Llorean | GodEater: If you created a cmd shortcut, I suppose |
| 22:17:39 | Llorean | Well, this is someone who felt they needed to make a *video* to explain how to use a console application. |
| 22:17:52 | GodEater | Windows comes with one, it's under accessories |
| 22:18:08 | GodEater | but you can *also* run "runas" from another command prompt. |
| 22:18:18 | * | GodEater can see that's a slippery slope though |
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| 22:18:38 | GodEater | for those command-prompt-challenged in the first place |
| 22:18:45 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 22:19:08 | Llorean | He's definitely not getting stickied, though it's clear he expects to be since he supposedly looked through the stickies expecting something like this might already be there |
| 22:19:31 | Mikachu | are we talking about the youtube video with the inexplicably unreadable text and bad music? |
| 22:19:36 | GodEater | nothing stopping him putting it in the wiki ;) |
| 22:19:44 | Llorean | Mikachu: Definitely. |
| 22:19:54 | GodEater | there's bad music ? |
| 22:19:58 | * | GodEater has his laptop muted |
| 22:20:00 | Mikachu | there are so many things wrong, i don't know where to start |
| 22:20:08 | Llorean | GodEater: Well, I assumed it was the same video from the unreadable text. |
| 22:20:51 | GodEater | we'd be unfortunate to get two in one day ;) |
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| 22:21:02 | Mikachu | i saw some brazilian one too |
| 22:21:08 | Llorean | It really doesn't seem that unlikely with the current growth rate. |
| 22:21:35 | Llorean | By the way, it's getting more likely that this month will set a new record for forum registration. |
| 22:22:10 | Febs | For once, I'm happy that my company's web filter won't let me get to Youtube. |
| 22:22:19 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 22:22:29 | GodEater | the forums are getting very choopy in the morning (UK time) |
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| 22:22:41 | GodEater | *choppy |
| 22:23:08 | GodEater | I've had "SPF cannot contact the database at this time, the server is probably busy" messages every morning this week |
| 22:23:22 | GodEater | SMF even |
| 22:23:22 | Llorean | SMF, but yeah. |
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| 22:24:17 | * | GodEater was sort of hoping the Positive Internet guys would have come back by now - they could have provided a host to run the forums on easily |
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| 22:39:44 | habana | bloodtoll frag game is dirty (just crashed my x ...) It's the last time i try a java based 3d game |
| 22:39:52 | Nico_P | where's the video ? |
| 22:40:57 | linuxstb_ | Anyone have any comments on FS #6571 ? |
| 22:41:35 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: apart from "i like the concept", no, sorry |
| 22:41:47 | * | Bagder agrees with Nico_P |
| 22:42:05 | * | Bagder tries to encourage a new Rockbox port |
| 22:42:10 | Bagder | (over email) |
| 22:42:19 | Hotfusion | zune port ol |
| 22:42:22 | Nico_P | Bagder: what port ? |
| 22:42:29 | Bagder | sansa c200 |
| 22:43:09 | Mikachu | why does it have a number if they change the letter for new versions? (rhetorical question) |
| 22:43:38 | SaLoMoN | Bagder, do have any ideas when the rockbox e200 port will be final? |
| 22:43:42 | dan_a | It's PortalPlayer based, (I guess PP5024) |
| 22:43:42 | SaLoMoN | or can play sound |
| 22:43:46 | SaLoMoN | . |
| 22:43:55 | Bagder | it looks very similar to e200 based on the outside looks |
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| 22:44:27 | amiconn | Mikachu: (1) The number also relates to the capacity. e200 is just the series, there's e240, e260 etc |
| 22:44:38 | amiconn | (2) Afaik there's also an e100 series |
| 22:44:39 | SaLoMoN | yeah |
| 22:44:54 | Mikachu | ah, i see |
| 22:45:31 | midgey | amiconn: i can confirm the e100 exists |
| 22:45:33 | Mikachu | and the c stands for color i guess ;) |
| 22:45:40 | tucoz | linuxstb, i guess it would be simple enough to make a similar script for windows as well (to tar the .bmp's) |
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| 22:45:44 | SaLoMoN | and the e? |
| 22:45:47 | SaLoMoN | for extra?^^ |
| 22:46:11 | Bagder | for "even more color" ;-) |
| 22:46:15 | SaLoMoN | yeah^^ |
| 22:46:22 | SaLoMoN | [22:44:11] <SaLoMoN> Bagder, do have any ideas when the rockbox e200 port will be final? |
| 22:46:29 | SaLoMoN | can you reply me please?^^ |
| 22:46:30 | Bagder | never |
| 22:46:32 | midgey | well, the e100 has an sd slot and e200 has mini sd, but the e100 is black and white |
| 22:46:46 | Bagder | SaLoMoN: none of the ports have finalized yet so why should the e200 |
| 22:46:47 | SaLoMoN | [22:44:15] <SaLoMoN> or can play sound |
| 22:46:48 | SaLoMoN | ^^ |
| 22:47:03 | Bagder | you know the answer to that too |
| 22:47:04 | midgey | SaLoMoN: thats being worked on |
| 22:47:13 | pixelma | markun: still around? |
| 22:47:31 | SaLoMoN | midgey, yeah but I wana now when it could be finished |
| 22:47:37 | SaLoMoN | if it are months or years |
| 22:47:41 | linuxstb_ | tucoz: Yes. Or it's the kind of thing a site like rockbox-themes.org could do - packaging the bmp files for distribution. |
| 22:47:47 | SaLoMoN | or just some seconds |
| 22:48:04 | midgey | SaLoMoN: i'd estimate closer to months |
| 22:48:06 | dan_a | SaLoMoN: At the moment it's too far away to know. |
| 22:48:07 | Mikachu | linuxstb_: i'm just speaking without looking at the code, but wouldn't it make more sense to first get a list of filenames->wps bmp slots, and then read the .tar? |
| 22:48:12 | SaLoMoN | mh okay |
| 22:48:22 | SaLoMoN | then i'll wait and update |
| 22:48:25 | SaLoMoN | ah |
| 22:48:39 | linuxstb_ | Mikachu: Where would you store that list? |
| 22:48:52 | SaLoMoN | Is it possible that I need to update the bootloader if I update rockbox? |
| 22:48:55 | Mikachu | here and there |
| 22:49:05 | SaLoMoN | or will it be usable with newer versions too |
| 22:49:08 | tucoz | linuxstb_, another thing. isn't the problem with random access that it slows the loading? and in that case, then i consider you approach the best. (to read the .bmps in sequence) |
| 22:49:09 | Mikachu | you could store it in the wps backdrop buffer for example :) |
| 22:49:39 | Mikachu | (just load the backdrop after the tar) |
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| 22:50:12 | Mikachu | or you could have rules for filenames |
| 22:50:16 | Mikachu | so they have to be a.bmp etc |
| 22:50:21 | Mikachu | so the mapping is hardcoded |
| 22:53:29 | Mikachu | linuxstb_: any of those ideas sound not crazy? |
| 22:53:29 | linuxstb_ | Well, I think I'll do something like that - i.e. load all the bitmaps from the tar sequentially, then map to the wps. The advantage of tar over a proprietory binary format is ease of creation, and forcing the order of the bmps negates that. |
| 22:53:58 | tucoz | why is tar better than cat? |
| 22:54:22 | Mikachu | headers are surely helpful? |
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| 22:54:43 | tucoz | but the bmp headers will still be there, even though you use cat |
| 22:54:55 | Mikachu | you might want to put other files in the .tar eventually |
| 22:54:56 | linuxstb_ | But then you lose the filename info. |
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| 22:55:06 | tucoz | ah. right |
| 22:55:06 | Mikachu | depending on how linuxstb_ implements it, maybe even the .wps file |
| 22:55:22 | linuxstb_ | I don't think I'll go that far. |
| 22:56:19 | preglow | linuxstb_: zip support isn't too complicated either, with just archiving, no compression |
| 22:56:29 | preglow | linuxstb_: however, reading the file sequentially in any case isn't really a bad thing |
| 22:56:41 | Mikachu | but then people will create compressed zip files and wonder why it doesn't work |
| 22:56:47 | Bagder | indeed |
| 22:57:10 | preglow | if they manage to do that with the amount of stressing i'd put on the point UNCOMPRESSED, i'll just ignore them :> |
| 22:57:17 | argonel | is the pinout for the sansa e200 dock port known? |
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| 22:57:51 | Bagder | argonel: I don't think so |
| 22:58:40 | dan_a | argonel: There's a thread on either thesansa.com or anythingbutipod.com where it is discussed - I think they found the USB pins but nothing more |
| 22:59:11 | Mikachu | isn't that quite easy? ie just look at the usb cable |
| 22:59:44 | Bagder | you could probably quite easy measure yourself to the usb pins |
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| 23:00:12 | argonel | well, there are 30 pins.. must be more than usb there :) |
| 23:00:34 | argonel | i'll settle for audio output over pinouts though :p |
| 23:00:54 | Bagder | then pull out your multimeter! |
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| 23:01:37 | Zagor | are there any board scans to study? |
| 23:01:50 | argonel | Bagder: i promised myself that i'd use it for an entire week before disassembling it |
| 23:01:59 | Bagder | nooo |
| 23:02:10 | Bagder | Zagor: yes sure several |
| 23:02:29 | argonel | scans won't do much good if its a multilayer board... |
| 23:02:33 | dan_a | I think that most of the pins go through a switch so they are only active when the Sansa is in the dock |
| 23:03:05 | Zagor | argonel: well it depends on the connector. very few connectors work with more than two layers. |
| 23:03:06 | zefie | ? |
| 23:03:28 | Mikachu | zefie: you'll have to be more specific than that |
| 23:03:35 | zefie | lol sorry |
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| 23:03:55 | Bagder | hey zefie |
| 23:04:12 | zefie | hey Bagder |
| 23:04:17 | Bagder | now pull your c200 apart and start scanning the pcb! :-) |
| 23:04:22 | * | Mikachu plays a nice tune on the tomthoms |
| 23:04:29 | zefie | i dont even have a scanner x.x |
| 23:04:52 | argonel | i'd do it, but my scanner is sheet fed |
| 23:04:55 | Zagor | Mikachu: you run rockbox on your tomtom? ;) |
| 23:05:09 | Mikachu | heh, no; -!- tomthomson [n=tomthoms@pD9E6D8BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit |
| 23:05:09 | dan_a | zefie: Then install the e200 build and see if the LCD is the same! |
| 23:05:18 | Bagder | hehe |
| 23:05:24 | * | Bagder drums |
| 23:05:26 | zefie | (dan_a): its not, been there already lol |
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| 23:05:50 | dan_a | What happened? Wrong output or no output? |
| 23:05:51 | zefie | lemme take it apart and get some chip numbers >.> |
| 23:05:56 | zefie | no output |
| 23:06:02 | Bagder | but at least it somewhat proved the "all is plain text" trick of the mi4 still works |
| 23:06:19 | argonel | does anyone have a truly bricked e200? |
| 23:06:20 | zefie | i think the cpu is the same but lemme put it apart and get some real numbers |
| 23:06:40 | Bagder | argonel: several have had them |
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| 23:07:10 | argonel | Bagder: sent back for warranty repair? |
| 23:07:20 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:07:22 | argonel | nice |
| 23:07:27 | Bagder | no |
| 23:07:32 | Bagder | they should run e200tool on them! |
| 23:07:41 | argonel | what is e200tool? |
| 23:08:00 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200tool/e200tool-src.zip |
| 23:08:15 | Bagder | it is MrH's tool for accessing the e200 while in manufacturing mode |
| 23:08:24 | argonel | sounds like fun |
| 23:08:34 | zefie | hmm why would it have a button battery in it? |
| 23:08:42 | argonel | rtc? |
| 23:08:49 | zefie | but it doesnt have a clock |
| 23:08:54 | argonel | heh |
| 23:08:56 | zefie | or at least not a configurable one |
| 23:08:59 | Bagder | hehe |
| 23:11:36 | thegeek | mrh sounds like a genius |
| 23:12:23 | * | dan_a agrees with thegeek |
| 23:12:23 | zefie | hm |
| 23:12:38 | Zagor | I doubt he's human :) |
| 23:12:41 | zefie | not really sure what im looking for here lol |
| 23:12:41 | thegeek | ;P |
| 23:12:47 | thegeek | hehe |
| 23:12:52 | midgey | Bagder: the following pages still say CVS Builds : releases, daily builds, manual, IRC |
| 23:13:22 | zefie | would the AMS chip be the cpu? |
| 23:13:31 | Zagor | midgey: we are aware of that. we just haven't got around to fix our template system yet. |
| 23:13:38 | Bagder | zefie: no, a part of the microcontroller/CPU |
| 23:13:49 | Bagder | zefie: the cpu is PP502X |
| 23:13:58 | midgey | Zagor: just trying to find quirks :P |
| 23:14:02 | zefie | there is AMS, sandisk, infineon, and some other chip im not sure of ;) |
| 23:14:02 | Bagder | where X likely is 4 in your case |
| 23:14:20 | zefie | nothing says "PP" though thats what im looking for |
| 23:14:24 | Bagder | zefie: please note all numbers/digits exactly as written |
| 23:14:31 | zefie | figures |
| 23:14:39 | dan_a | Yay! I've got the aligned write speed on the Sansa flash up to something reasonable |
| 23:15:25 | midgey | Bagder: what was the final say on propedits? bad idea? |
| 23:15:31 | dan_a | zefie: The CPU will probably have the logo at the top of this page on it: http://investor.portalplayer.com/ReleaseDetail.cfm?ReleaseID=216225 |
| 23:15:38 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: Is that just in C, or with amiconn's functions? |
| 23:15:43 | Bagder | midgey: I don't think there has been a final say |
| 23:16:06 | dan_a | linuxstb: That's in C - up to 4863kB/s from 91kB/s |
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| 23:16:16 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 23:16:20 | Zagor | dan_a: whoa, nice work |
| 23:16:29 | Mikachu | 5345% improvement :P |
| 23:16:36 | midgey | \o/ |
| 23:16:48 | dan_a | It was my mistake in the first place which made it so slow! |
| 23:17:09 | zefie | no chip has that logo |
| 23:17:17 | dan_a | (There is _no_ need to update the LCD on every word which is written...) |
| 23:17:30 | Zagor | haha |
| 23:17:33 | Bagder | really? |
| 23:17:39 | Bagder | :-O |
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| 23:19:20 | * | preglow takes notes |
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| 23:19:31 | preglow | you never know when random advice might come in use! |
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| 23:20:35 | Mikachu | <insert lyrics of Baz Luhrmann's "Everybody's Free" here> |
| 23:22:05 | zefie | http://www.ams.co.at/03products/products_detail/AS3514/request_product_AS3514_datasheet.htm well thats that chip |
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| 23:22:58 | argonel | hopefully someone will get that data sheet someday |
| 23:23:09 | dan_a | zefie: That suggests there isn't a PP5024 core in the c200 - we think that the AS3514 is built in to the 5024 |
| 23:23:15 | Bagder | zefie: that's a dac/codec |
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| 23:23:45 | zefie | it seems to have 32mb ram |
| 23:25:16 | Bagder | I wonder if AMS's own player is what is displayed in that PDF |
| 23:25:25 | tamacracker | hey guys |
| 23:25:29 | tamacracker | has there been any new updates |
| 23:25:37 | zefie | i have no idea about this other chip |
| 23:25:37 | tamacracker | on the rockbox for toshiba? |
| 23:26:00 | Bagder | tamacracker: sure |
| 23:26:12 | Bagder | as can be seen on the web site's front page |
| 23:26:29 | zefie | googling all the numbers on it even seperately bring up squat |
| 23:26:49 | argonel | what are the numbers? |
| 23:27:02 | dan_a | Darn - compare error from the stress test on the (bugfixed) Sansa flash driver |
| 23:27:46 | tamacracker | sweet |
| 23:27:53 | tamacracker | has it been updated since a month ago? |
| 23:28:01 | tamacracker | that's when i first got rockbox |
| 23:28:10 | zefie | L9A0676 |
| 23:28:11 | Bagder | tamacracker: rockbox most often gets updated every day |
| 23:28:14 | zefie | U 0642 |
| 23:28:22 | zefie | WYI42004.1 |
| 23:28:27 | zefie | TAIWAN |
| 23:28:34 | zefie | all i have to go by |
| 23:28:37 | tamacracker | oh lol |
| 23:28:42 | tamacracker | i did NOT know that lol |
| 23:28:47 | argonel | zefie: no logos at all? |
| 23:28:59 | zefie | there is a logo that looks like "e1" in a circle |
| 23:29:00 | zefie | thats all |
| 23:29:35 | zefie | its slightly bigger than the AMS codec chip |
| 23:31:04 | argonel | zefie: what kind of package? how many pins? |
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| 23:31:28 | zefie | i dont know the pins are under it |
| 23:33:07 | argonel | square or rectangular? |
| 23:33:19 | zefie | square |
| 23:33:32 | zefie | im trying to take a pic my webcam can do a decent res if my hand would stop shaking ;) |
| 23:34:00 | dan_a | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2006/11/sandisk-sansa-c200-disassembled.php#more |
| 23:34:05 | zefie | got it |
| 23:34:30 | Bagder | there |
| 23:34:41 | Mikachu | http://auricle.dyndns.org/ALE/ can increase resolution of bad cameras if you're very patient (it's quite slow) |
| 23:35:12 | zefie | zefie.com/files/sansa/images/c200/1.jpg">http://zefie.com/files/sansa/images/c200/1.jpg |
| 23:36:02 | zefie | might as well go for the rest of the chips |
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| 23:37:46 | dan_a | It looks like the chip near the microphone might be an LV24020 radio |
| 23:38:04 | Bagder | http://www.uwants.com/viewthread.php?tid=3052437 |
| 23:38:17 | zefie | oh good there are scans |
| 23:38:21 | zefie | i dont need to fight with my webcam |
| 23:38:23 | Bagder | hm, that's probably the same pics |
| 23:38:40 | maquis | has anybody had a problem where an ipod continued playing the music, but none of the buttons (or the display) actually worked? |
| 23:39:02 | Mikachu | is Hold on? |
| 23:39:04 | zefie | now to put it back together in working order |
| 23:39:07 | maquis | Mikachu: nope |
| 23:39:12 | Bagder | so what's behind the LCD? |
| 23:39:15 | maquis | i tried turning hold on and off again |
| 23:39:23 | Mikachu | maquis: try scrolling around on the wheel a bit |
| 23:39:24 | dan_a | maquis: Is it an official build? |
| 23:39:32 | maquis | Mikachu: i tried that |
| 23:39:49 | maquis | dan_a: no... it's from cvs from about 2 weeks ago |
| 23:39:54 | maquis | i haven't had a chance to update it since |
| 23:40:10 | maquis | but i hadn't seen this problem before in the past 2 weeks |
| 23:40:20 | dan_a | maquis: That's official then - if it's got no patches :) |
| 23:40:22 | Mikachu | does the backlight turn on and off? |
| 23:40:26 | maquis | (only problem i've had since sticking this on is that playlists don't work) |
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| 23:40:34 | maquis | dan_a: ah... i thought you meant a specific build |
| 23:40:36 | maquis | Mikachu: yup |
| 23:40:48 | maquis | if i move the scroll around or anything, the backlight goes on |
| 23:41:06 | Mikachu | then i dunno :) |
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| 23:41:15 | maquis | it looks like the WPS froze up |
| 23:41:20 | maquis | Mikachu: fair enough :) |
| 23:41:24 | Mikachu | does the display update? |
| 23:41:27 | maquis | i was just wondering if anybody had seen this |
| 23:41:30 | maquis | Mikachu: nope |
| 23:41:31 | Mikachu | just curious, i won't reach any conclusion either way |
| 23:41:32 | zefie | (Bagder): nothing is behind the lcd |
| 23:41:46 | zefie | and trying to access it seems to tear off the background behind the backlight |
| 23:41:49 | Bagder | darn |
| 23:41:49 | argonel | hmm. two different numbers from the same unit? |
| 23:41:59 | argonel | same model, that is |
| 23:42:00 | maquis | i'm probably going to just restart it... but i'm kind-of annoyed because i have to re-build my playlist again since i can save playlists without trouble, but can't seem to play them |
| 23:42:04 | Bagder | so where's the cpu? ;-) |
| 23:42:13 | zefie | good question |
| 23:42:22 | zefie | maybe the manufacturing tool can give us more insight? |
| 23:42:40 | Bagder | well, it pretty much _have to_ be a PP somewhere in there |
| 23:42:46 | midgey | eh, is this the datasheet for the infineon chip? http://www.datasheetarchive.com/datasheet.php?article=1704556 |
| 23:43:00 | zefie | yeah |
| 23:43:17 | maquis | Mikachu: the one thing i just realized might be related... i turned it on while it was plugged in, then unplugged it for something, then plugged it back in |
| 23:43:18 | maquis | let me see if that causes the problem again |
| 23:43:34 | zefie | and it is probably the same as the e200 or pretty close because the rockbox e200 bootloader, while it just showed a black screen and powerd off after 10 seconds, did run... if that counts as running |
| 23:44:02 | Zagor | what is the square chip below the infineon? |
| 23:44:14 | Bagder | zefie: we'll be nice and count that now, but next time you need to come up with something better ;-) |
| 23:44:18 | linuxstb_ | A disassembly of the bootloader should show quite quickly if it's a PP chip. |
| 23:44:21 | zefie | lol |
| 23:44:46 | Bagder | linuxstb_: the mi4 mentions PP5022 just like the e200 mi4 does |
| 23:44:59 | * | argonel bets its a custom chip |
| 23:45:01 | linuxstb_ | There you go then... |
| 23:45:01 | zefie | the fun part is i barely know C and know no assembly at all |
| 23:45:02 | zefie | :( |
| 23:45:17 | Bagder | arm assembly is friendly to beginners... |
| 23:45:22 | maquis | hmmm... didn't reproduce... :) |
| 23:45:36 | Zagor | ???CPU?? :) |
| 23:45:45 | Zagor | anyone read chinese? |
| 23:45:54 | Mikachu | japanese, not close enough though |
| 23:45:58 | linuxstb_ | A couple of billion people do... |
| 23:46:00 | zefie | the only thingi really know is how to use it while its charging lol |
| 23:46:06 | Zagor | linuxstb_: lol |
| 23:46:25 | maquis | Zagor: if you can stick it up on the web someplace, i could try |
| 23:46:25 | linuxstb_ | Never one around when you need one though... |
| 23:46:37 | maquis | i'm a beginner, but i do know a few characters |
| 23:46:41 | Zagor | maquis: it's on this link: http://www.uwants.com/viewthread.php?tid=3052437 |
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| 23:47:28 | maquis | Zagor: you want the whole thing? |
| 23:47:41 | maquis | i can pick out individual characters, but not very much |
| 23:47:44 | maquis | sorry |
| 23:47:47 | Zagor | maquis: specifically the text around the word "CPU" |
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| 23:48:01 | Zagor | ok |
| 23:48:04 | Mikachu | just looking up what the kanji mean didn't tell anything |
| 23:48:09 | dan_a | Can translate.google.com help? |
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| 23:48:29 | maquis | Zagor: sorry... that's outside of my range |
| 23:48:43 | Zagor | ok |
| 23:48:50 | dan_a | "n all these chips, the most attention to the needs of this chip SanDisk iNAND, In fact, it was a Flash and the integration of the ARM chip" |
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| 23:49:42 | Zagor | "INAND can save CPU and the main system memory buffer random. ensure a high degree of reliability and provides a complete disk-file management structure." |
| 23:49:47 | Zagor | so no meaningful info |
| 23:49:56 | Zagor | I didn't know google did chinese. good stuff. |
| 23:50:08 | zefie | how do you compile the e200tool >< |
| 23:51:08 | Bagder | "File has no license, Please use WMP to transfer again" |
| 23:51:22 | * | Bagder runs strings on the c200 decrypted mi4 |
| 23:52:04 | dan_a | We know that there is a PP processor in there - or at least PortalPlayer claim that there is. They don't say which one, though! |
| 23:52:44 | zefie | nm figured it out i think |
| 23:53:19 | midgey | whats the chance its a PP5024BF ? |
| 23:53:51 | Bagder | pretty big I thought, but then the external 3514 doesn't make sense to me |
| 23:54:15 | Bagder | <URL>http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=25817</URL> |
| 23:54:23 | Bagder | (still from the mi4) |
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| 23:54:30 | Mikachu | drm_clock_acquire_redirect: http://services.wmdrm.windowsmedia.com/SecureClock/?Time |
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| 23:54:44 | Zagor | Bagder: I wonder where that will be displayed |
| 23:54:45 | Mikachu | hooray secure clocks on the internet |
| 23:54:53 | Bagder | yeah |
| 23:55:02 | zefie | it cant find it lol |
| 23:55:03 | Mikachu | following that url gives a bad request though |
| 23:55:06 | DataGhost | 650 dollars for a 1GB flash player!? |
| 23:55:10 | DataGhost | must be HK-dollars then |
| 23:55:23 | zefie | e200tool is probably looking specifically for the e200 |
| 23:55:32 | Bagder | Zagor: prolly nowhere, it is from within some kind of cert |
| 23:55:38 | zefie | windows is prompting me for a driver though like the site says |
| 23:55:39 | DataGhost | ah, lol. that's just 65 euro :P |
| 23:55:39 | Zagor | ah |
| 23:56:05 | dan_a | zefie: Does the c200 have a recovery mode like the Sansa? |
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| 23:56:20 | zefie | dan_a yeah |
| 23:56:26 | argonel | there are too many ic logo websites with the exact same set of logos |
| 23:56:36 | zefie | it also seems to have manufacturing mode although useless to us |
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| 23:57:14 | Zagor | ?Secure Clock? means a hardware real time clock that has been secured from unauthorized access. |
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| 23:57:47 | Mikachu | and it accesses this secure clock over unencrypted http? |
| 23:57:51 | Roan | Hi, I'm working on the theme/wps ROCKboxed, hoping to have it become part of the CVS/SVN builds. I am wondering what the official view on support for languages is. What is the minimum support needed. Unfortunately, the font I've been using doesn't even have latin1 support (didn't realize that until earlier this week), so I'd need to change it to included at least that. |
| 23:58:09 | Zagor | Mikachu: no, that's just to set it |
| 23:58:41 | n1s | Roan: the more you can support the better... |
| 23:58:50 | Mikachu | but if you can set it over http, how is it secure? |
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