00:00:13 | linuxstb_ | There are no fonts in the build. |
00:00:23 | linuxstb_ | (apart from the built-in system font) |
00:00:26 | Zagor | Mikachu: dns redirect is not enough to fool a certificate |
00:00:28 | spug | hm, okay |
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00:00:42 | Mikachu | yeah i know, that's why i was surprised to not see https anywhere in the first place :) |
00:01:00 | Bagder | zefie: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200tool/Makefile |
00:01:00 | zefie | hmm it doesnt find it even after tweaking the vid/pid/rev |
00:01:00 | dan_a | Roan: A lot of people would like to see ROCKboxed as the default theme - if it supported every language, then that would help their case |
00:01:12 | zefie | Badger: i compiled it it just wont find the device |
00:01:22 | spug | so a theme that's included in SVN has to use the built-in system font? seems strange that an SVN theme would require the fonts package |
00:01:33 | Zagor | Mikachu: well we don't know what happens when you call it. the link bagder posted was http and promptly redirected to https. |
00:01:34 | linuxstb_ | spug: No. |
00:01:35 | Mikachu | i doubt any wps has a font with _every_ language |
00:01:44 | Bagder | zefie: |
00:01:45 | Bagder | #define ORG_VENDOR_ID 0x0781 |
00:01:46 | Bagder | #define ORG_PRODUCT_ID 0x0720 |
00:02:00 | spug | linuxstb_: hm, okay |
00:02:01 | Zagor | also Microsoft isn't exactly Standard Followers #1. they can just as well have done something home-cooked. |
00:02:05 | linuxstb_ | spug: Users are expected to install the font package when they first install Rockbox. It just doesn't need to be updated very often, so it's separate. |
00:02:15 | Bagder | zefie: I bet the c200 has different vendor/product codes |
00:02:29 | Mikachu | Zagor: ah yes it did, i didn't see that, the url in the content of the https page isn't https though :) |
00:02:39 | spug | linuxstb_: ah, okay. thanks. |
00:03:22 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
00:03:36 | n1s | spug: also if we ever release again (dont count on it!) the fonts will be included in the release package |
00:03:52 | Zagor | Clock Reset. When power is lost to a Licensed Product, the clock must be reset such that when power is regained, the Licensed Product must detect the loss of power and set the state of the Secure Clock to an unset or unsecured state. |
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00:04:27 | n1s | Zagor: ah, it's for the subscription-drm stuff. |
00:04:28 | Zagor | so if your battery runs out, you can't just charge it. you must also connect it to the internet. |
00:04:33 | Zagor | n1s: yes |
00:04:35 | Mikachu | that's pretty awesome |
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00:06:31 | zefie | hm |
00:06:37 | zefie | your makefile doesnt like me |
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00:07:50 | Bagder | what happens? |
00:08:10 | zefie | nm got it to work |
00:08:15 | zefie | the compile anyway |
00:08:35 | zefie | or not |
00:08:50 | Bagder | you figured out the usb vendor/product id? |
00:09:03 | zefie | it wont compile using the makefile |
00:09:09 | Bagder | what happens? |
00:09:09 | zefie | it complains about usb functions missing |
00:09:13 | zefie | even though libusb is installed |
00:09:17 | zefie | and lusb is being passed |
00:09:26 | Bagder | so where is it installed? |
00:09:35 | zefie | however if i just gcc e200tool.c -lusb -o e200tool.exe |
00:09:38 | zefie | it works fine |
00:09:53 | Bagder | ? |
00:10:01 | Bagder | then it lacks the e200_code.o |
00:10:01 | zefie | ? |
00:10:07 | zefie | i know |
00:10:13 | zefie | which is why i want the makefile to work |
00:10:44 | Bagder | so where is libusb installed? |
00:11:17 | zefie | gcc e200tool.c -lusb e200_code.o -o e200tool.exe |
00:11:18 | zefie | that worked |
00:11:20 | zefie | lol |
00:12:00 | maquis | ack |
00:12:02 | maquis | it happened again |
00:12:12 | zefie | Searching for device 0781:0720 ... found 3 busses (scanning stuff) not found! |
00:12:24 | Zagor | SecureClock is of course the reason for the button battery aswell |
00:12:38 | zefie | (Zagor): makes sense.. drm stuff? |
00:12:43 | Bagder | zefie: as expected, you need to check your c200 ids |
00:12:44 | Zagor | yeah |
00:12:53 | zefie | (Bagder): i did |
00:13:02 | Bagder | 0781:0720 ? |
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00:13:29 | zefie | USB\Vid_0781&Pid_0720&Rev_0000 |
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00:13:44 | zefie | all of which i set accordingly inn the .h file |
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00:14:04 | Bagder | so they use the same product id for c200 as e200 |
00:15:30 | Zagor | Random Number Generator. Licensed Products must implement and make use of a random number generator that is Cryptographically Random. For the avoidance of doubt, linear congruential random number generators are not acceptable. |
00:15:37 | zefie | apparently |
00:16:24 | Zagor | Licensed Products must implement support for Secure Store. Secure Store is defined as a data store for storing stateful WMDRM information including, but not limited to, play count and relative expiration. |
00:16:34 | zefie | maybe e200tool and windows dont get along |
00:16:43 | Zagor | lots of requirements for drm |
00:16:54 | Bagder | zefie: yeah, it might be so |
00:17:31 | zefie | meh |
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00:17:49 | Bagder | Zagor: that's SYSTEM\WMDRMPD\STORE.HDS ;-) |
00:17:50 | spug | n1s: ah, yeah, i didn't think of the fonts being included in the releases, because i don't count on them ever ;D |
00:17:53 | Zagor | If a Licensed Product implements Anti-Rollback Clock and detects and processes a Clock Rollback Event, WMDRM must delete any WMDRM License that specifies DeleteOnClockRollback. |
00:18:15 | Zagor | Bagder: you think? ;) |
00:18:36 | Zagor | I'll stop pasting evilness now |
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00:19:25 | Bagder | strings -el firmware.bin shows mucho anyway |
00:19:40 | Zagor | Bagder: actually that's probably the Data Store. there's both a Data Store and a Secure Store. |
00:19:45 | Bagder | microsoft.com/WMDRMPD: 10.1 |
00:20:24 | Mikachu | but it still plays regular mp3s? |
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00:22:36 | Mikachu | Zagor: i have 6GB downloaded on elephants dream i think |
00:23:37 | Bagder | there's now torrents for them |
00:23:47 | Mikachu | yeah Soap mentioned that to me |
00:24:03 | zefie | yay you added the key fast ;p |
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00:24:15 | Mikachu | http uses less cpu than torrents though |
00:24:22 | Zagor | download.rockbox.org bandwidth has decreased with 3-4 gig/day |
00:24:24 | Bagder | zefie: MrH never sleeps ;-) |
00:24:33 | Mikachu | that doesn't add up :) |
00:25:02 | Zagor | Mikachu: did you mean 6 in total or 6 per day? |
00:25:08 | Mikachu | in total |
00:25:33 | Mikachu | i'm not very confident in my script parsing the apache log though |
00:25:47 | Zagor | interesting. well that's what I'm seeing. 9-10 gig/day last week, and now 5-6 gig. |
00:26:07 | Mikachu | maybe people stopped downloading them when they saw mikachu in the url |
00:26:11 | Zagor | haha |
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00:26:49 | * | Mikachu checks how often apache logs rotate |
00:26:50 | zefie | Micro-Star Intl? |
00:27:01 | Mikachu | just once per month |
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00:28:46 | Soap | nobody has taken the torrent route in the six hours they have been up, so perhaps demand has simply peaked. |
00:30:08 | Zagor | I think people try http first and torrent only if http isn't available |
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00:30:23 | Zagor | that's what I'd do anyway |
00:30:36 | safetydan | Bagder, your langv2 features patch has a minor problem. The $feat variable isn't expanded when the call to genlang is made. |
00:30:50 | safetydan | I think I might have mentioned this before. |
00:31:04 | safetydan | My make/shell-fu wasn't up to fixing it. |
00:31:37 | zefie | mm more fun strings when opening the hidden system partition in winhex |
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00:42:48 | markun | pixelma: I'm here (more or less) |
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00:44:14 | safetydan | Wow. There I was about to ask if it would be hard to implement an "upside down" mode for the h120 lcd. |
00:44:23 | safetydan | Lucky I decided to just look in the menu. |
00:44:26 | safetydan | Rockbox has everything. |
00:44:36 | Zagor | haha |
00:45:06 | * | Mikachu doubts the 1g nano will get any more hardware features supported |
00:45:26 | pixelma | markun: do you know by chance what was edited to make a the nimbus-font from a chicago-font? |
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00:47:32 | safetydan | hrm... now if I could just combine the upside down LCD view with inverted joystick controls as well |
00:47:46 | linuxstb | Mikachu: What hardware features do you mean? |
00:48:05 | Mikachu | like shutting down the lcd and upside down mode |
00:48:11 | Mikachu | maybe worded badly |
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00:50:29 | spug | Mikachu: why won't it? |
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00:51:07 | Mikachu | nobody seems to be working on it |
00:51:15 | Mikachu | and i failed miserably :) |
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00:51:41 | markun_ | pixelma: only spacing and some minor adjustments to some glyphs |
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00:52:01 | markun_ | anyway, good night |
00:52:03 | linuxstb | Mikachu: All ipods are lacking developers... |
00:52:10 | zefie | i think the c200 is pp5502, since its mentioned alot in the bootrom partition |
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00:52:33 | linuxstb | And IPL development seems to have stopped, at least the low-level hacking. |
00:52:38 | Zagor | zefie: can I see an example? |
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00:53:24 | zefie | pp5022 rather |
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00:53:50 | zefie | PP5022A PP5022B PP5022C PP5022D |
00:54:07 | zefie | i uploaded a image of the bootrom partition to my site if you want to scan it |
00:54:16 | zefie | http://zefie.com/files/sansa/c200/images/SansaC200_BOOTROM_Partition.7z |
00:54:24 | Zagor | thanks |
00:54:51 | safetydan | man I should really check before I write things. The joystiq controls are inverted on the h120 with the LCD upside down. |
00:56:49 | zefie | "PRTLPLYR6005 with 5020" i wonder what that means |
00:58:09 | pixelma | markun_: thanks - I've found a link of a free (as the site claims) chicago-family-font. Now I'm not sure if it is already used (looks like it could be 11-point in the end - but the accented characters look too big) |
00:58:16 | Zagor | yeeech: FAT12 |
00:59:03 | zefie | what else would a 16mb recovery partition be? |
00:59:04 | zefie | lol |
00:59:13 | Zagor | FAT16 |
00:59:17 | Zagor | FAT12 is for floppies |
00:59:17 | zefie | too small for fat16 |
00:59:24 | zefie | i think |
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00:59:53 | Mikachu | is there something particularly bad about fat12, apart from being 4 bits shorter? |
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01:00:13 | Roan | dan_a: Currently I'm using a font that is part of the fonts-package. It sounds like it will be easiest to pick a different font with better language support from within that package. Otherwise I need to find/modify/create a font with better language support that is good enough to become part of the fonts package. |
01:00:20 | zefie | anyway i think its safe to assume its PP5022 |
01:00:25 | zefie | but now what lol |
01:00:31 | Zagor | Mikachu: well it's a mess coding it because the bits are packed together 12+12+12 etc. |
01:00:38 | Zagor | zefie: yes I agree |
01:00:56 | preglow | uick |
01:01:01 | preglow | yuck <- |
01:01:01 | pixelma | safetydan: yes sometimes it's better to check before writing things... ;P |
01:01:08 | midgey | doesnt the e200 mention PP5022 a lot in its firmware? |
01:01:35 | Zagor | haha −−> "this is a junk file used only for testing purposes.While runnign this needs to be replaced with original font file." |
01:01:39 | Mikachu | maybe they're giving you misleading info to throw you off |
01:01:42 | linuxstb | zefie: Disassembling it, it definitely looks like a PP502x - I recognise the register addresses. |
01:01:59 | Mikachu | i'm glad i don't recognize register addresses |
01:02:06 | * | preglow gives linuxstb a vacation |
01:02:16 | zefie | based on official fw images |
01:02:30 | zefie | the c200 header has PP5022BF |
01:02:36 | zefie | adnt he e200 has PP5022AF |
01:02:41 | zefie | and the* |
01:03:28 | zefie | PP5022AF-05.51-S301-02.15-S301.02.15A-D 2006.11.03 |
01:03:28 | zefie | PP5022BF-06.10-S301-06.10-S301.00.06ART 2006.12.12 |
01:03:34 | zefie | first = e200, second = c200 |
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01:04:57 | g33 | hey i have a few mp3 albums that doesnt play in rockbox, but play fine in original firmware and winamp... is it possible to fix them somehow, or do i have o recode them to get rockbox to play em? |
01:05:23 | Zagor | g33: sounds like dodgy id3 tags |
01:06:02 | g33 | aight, what can i do about that? |
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01:06:22 | Zagor | what did you use to rip them? |
01:06:40 | Zagor | or are they downloads? |
01:07:00 | zefie | the funny part is it doesnt take the PP5022.mi4 unless you rename it to firmware.mi4 |
01:07:37 | dan_a | zefie: The latest beta Sansa firmwares are the same |
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01:08:31 | zefie | (dan_a): ? |
01:08:40 | g33 | i didnt rip them |
01:08:45 | zefie | the 1.00.06A isnt really released yet |
01:08:52 | zefie | i found it snooping on their update server |
01:08:52 | zefie | lol |
01:09:02 | dan_a | zefie: Sorry, I meant e200 |
01:09:08 | zefie | oh |
01:09:31 | zefie | so what would cause the rockbox e200 bootloader to power on then power off automatically after 10 seconds |
01:09:42 | g33 | is there any chance installing the latest rockbox might help? the one i have is maybe 6months old |
01:09:46 | zefie | the fact that it doesnt say invalid image is what sparks my interest |
01:10:20 | safetydan | g33, it can't hurt |
01:10:44 | Soap | g33: if it is a metadata problem - and Zagor is probably right, updating probably won't fix it - but you'll get no support for anything but the latest Rockbox versions. |
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01:11:14 | d_b_zZz | hello is this the channel for the rockbox firmware |
01:11:19 | d_b_zZz | seems so |
01:11:25 | zefie | oh shiz |
01:11:31 | Soap | You should start by updating Rockbox, and if that doesn't fix the problem, look for APE tags instead of / in addition to ID3 tags on your MP3s. |
01:11:36 | zefie | i just managed to get into some sourt of "Diagnostics" mode! |
01:11:37 | Zagor | g33: try to recreate the tags. there are a number of tag programs around. |
01:11:39 | d_b_zZz | was wondering about info for video ipod resolution and how to create theme |
01:12:06 | Soap | there is an excellent wiki page on mpegplayer d_b_zZz |
01:12:15 | zefie | it says "Diagnostics." "SW1 Upgrade Firmwar" |
01:12:20 | d_b_zZz | and is there info about how to change rockbox file browser |
01:12:24 | Mikachu | d_b_zZz: maybe you want http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
01:12:24 | d_b_zZz | it is horribly nasty |
01:12:36 | d_b_zZz | thanx |
01:12:51 | Soap | "theme" ahh, sorry. Soap saw "them" |
01:13:05 | zefie | and pressing any button just makes it repeat "SW1 Upgrade Firmwar" |
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01:13:22 | Mikachu | haha firmwar |
01:13:25 | zefie | hum |
01:13:25 | Mikachu | <- easily amused |
01:13:29 | zefie | well it has a small lcd |
01:13:32 | zefie | so it cuts off |
01:13:38 | zefie | anyway i hit REC while in Diag |
01:13:39 | d_b_zZz | can font sizes or custom font be used |
01:13:43 | zefie | and got knocked into recovery |
01:13:56 | Mikachu | d_b_zZz: please read that page |
01:13:56 | d_b_zZz | i basically wanna do a dotOS theme of my own |
01:14:17 | zefie | i wonder if there is a diag on the e200 |
01:14:32 | zefie | what i did was |
01:14:52 | zefie | the same as manufacture mode, but instead of the center button, i held the down button (the one that looks like the context menu) |
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01:15:45 | d_b_zZz | wps only seem to be scriptable |
01:15:47 | g33 | file is using v1 tags, they seem allright in winamp... it says in the comment "r3mix compliant" :) |
01:16:01 | d_b_zZz | using commands and such ...but there is no info on using my own font |
01:16:05 | zefie | but its not too useful it just keeps saying the SW1 upgrade firmware |
01:16:05 | g33 | if i remember correctly, rockbox plays the song for about a second before giving up |
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01:16:19 | g33 | anyways gotta sleep, ill try update tomorrow |
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01:16:37 | d_b_zZz | http://picasaweb.google.com/anderct |
01:16:46 | d_b_zZz | selfless plug to my design |
01:17:28 | safetydan | d_b_zZz, you can have a custom font but only one and only one size |
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01:17:50 | safetydan | d_b_zZz, you may be better off asking at the WPS and Customization forum, http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?board=24.0 |
01:18:17 | d_b_zZz | hmm only one size |
01:18:19 | d_b_zZz | well |
01:18:29 | d_b_zZz | no biggie then |
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01:18:43 | d_b_zZz | i do not use rockbox but just someone suggested to me that i make a theme |
01:18:55 | d_b_zZz | cuz to be honest alot seem way too ambitious or just plain crappy |
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01:19:16 | SouLja^ | Anyone here? |
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01:20:13 | d_b_zZz | well good luck guys with rockbox |
01:20:33 | d_b_zZz | suggestion: add customiziable default font |
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01:20:57 | Mikachu | that's a bit of an oxymoron |
01:20:58 | d_b_zZz | as stdout printf is way too user unintuitive |
01:21:16 | d_b_zZz | as in user can select a font to use as default |
01:21:18 | Zagor | d_b_zZz: default font is already selectable |
01:21:25 | d_b_zZz | it is ? |
01:21:27 | Mikachu | if you select the font, it's not the default any more |
01:21:28 | d_b_zZz | what format? |
01:21:45 | d_b_zZz | default/ system font ..what you call it |
01:22:11 | d_b_zZz | does it support bitmap font |
01:22:20 | d_b_zZz | .raw maybe? |
01:22:24 | Zagor | we have a conversion tool |
01:22:30 | d_b_zZz | sounds good |
01:23:09 | lachlan113 | has anyone read this thread yet? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8399.0 |
01:23:18 | Zagor | .bdf to .fnt |
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01:23:44 | lachlan113 | I didn't realise people could be so stupid |
01:24:11 | Zagor | lachlan113: now you know why I never read the forum :) |
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01:25:22 | lachlan113 | Haha, normally Llorean pounces on threads like this before they ever bubble to the surface |
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01:26:16 | Mikachu | lachlan113: people can always be so stupid |
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01:28:13 | zefie | i just put a e200 image on the c200 using recovery mode and it says invalid image. ofc i didnt change the key.. hmmm... |
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01:30:29 | zefie | heh i changed the key then it went back to its old "load main image fail enter recovery mode" |
01:30:50 | zefie | i wonder what the major difference between the two are |
01:30:58 | Mikachu | one doesn't have a cpu :) |
01:31:03 | zefie | lol |
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01:48:26 | tanq | how come rockbox doesnt using the itunesdb instead of creating a new one? |
01:50:13 | Zagor | because rockbox is not an ipod firmware? |
01:50:49 | Zagor | but primarily because the itunes format is undocumented |
01:51:13 | Llorean | tanq: Rockbox runs on a lot of players. Why should Rockbox agree to use a limited format when its own can be made better in the end? |
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01:52:06 | tanq | ahh yes.. i forgot the big picture.. |
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01:53:18 | Zagor | however it looks like enough is known about the db format now that a browser and/or converter could be written |
01:53:18 | Zagor | ...at least until apple changes it again |
01:53:49 | Mikachu | gtkpod at least successfully creates working databases |
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01:55:12 | Zagor | a converter would probably be appreciated by many newcomers |
01:55:19 | Zagor | go go go :) |
01:55:41 | dewdude | ...why worry about itunesdb |
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01:55:49 | dewdude | if you're using rockbox..aren't you trying to get away from itunes |
01:55:54 | dewdude | i mean..that was my reasoning. |
01:56:15 | Llorean | Zagor: There was a converter for a while, I thought. I know there was at least one that recovered your playlists, but I thought there was one that converted to TagCache (when it had that name) |
01:56:44 | Zagor | dewdude: yes, but it's quite painful for those who have a large collection in their ipod already. |
01:56:52 | Mikachu | dewdude: apparently about half of them are converting because they want a background picture :) |
01:56:58 | Zagor | or maybe there's a simpler way. I've never used an ipod... |
01:56:58 | dewdude | HAH |
01:57:06 | Zagor | Mikachu: hehe |
01:57:09 | dewdude | am i the only person who purchased an ipod specifically for rockbox? |
01:57:29 | Mikachu | the idea that first comes to mind is to read the tags of the mp3 files on the ipod and move+rename them on the device |
01:57:38 | Mikachu | should require no actual data transfer (apart from the tags of course) |
01:57:56 | dewdude | tag&rename will rename files based on tag information... |
01:58:10 | dewdude | but you ahve the problem of itunes likes to put files into random places |
01:58:19 | Mikachu | so use a better tagger |
01:58:35 | dewdude | tag&rename is a good tagger |
01:58:38 | Mikachu | moving all files to /<artist>/<album>/file automatically isn't hard |
01:59:11 | dewdude | oh, it does that, i've just never used that feature |
01:59:26 | Mikachu | so the random places thing isn't an issue then |
01:59:26 | pixelma | yes Llorean that converted should be in the wiki still |
01:59:33 | pixelma | *converter |
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02:00:05 | Llorean | dewdude: I ran a poll on the forum once, and a decent percentage bought their iPods for Rockbox (admittedly these were our forums, but it's still nice to know even if definitely skewed) |
02:00:26 | Zagor | bed time |
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02:00:34 | dewdude | Llorean, :) |
02:01:03 | dewdude | i know when i found out that rockbox ran on the 5g's...i started looking at them serously...and now that i got one..i can't part with the thing. |
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02:01:21 | Llorean | dewdude: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3738.0 |
02:02:02 | dewdude | wow...not far off from down the middle |
02:02:28 | dewdude | anyway, enough idle chit-chat from me in here...i need a smoke anyway |
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02:08:29 | zefie | Mikachu the headers for the c200 and the beta e200 are very simular as you said, i wonder why it wont run |
02:10:14 | Mikachu | i am guessing you meant someone else |
02:10:38 | zefie | oh |
02:10:39 | zefie | nm |
02:10:39 | zefie | ;p |
02:10:57 | zefie | heh i put the bootloader rom from the e200 on here and now its doing funky things |
02:11:41 | zefie | oops i seemed to have killed my recovery mode |
02:15:53 | zefie | hm |
02:16:01 | zefie | funny how nothing works cept manufacture mode |
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02:22:43 | zefie | gotta reboot into a linux livecd to recover this thing now ;) |
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02:54:26 | fathefner | i have a question it rockbox a linux based os |
02:55:10 | Soap | no |
02:55:21 | Soap | 100% from scratch. |
02:55:42 | fathefner | cool |
02:56:23 | fathefner | i know that the ipod has a linux os any connection |
02:57:28 | Soap | I'm not the man to answer in detail, but as far as I know some low-level code was gathered from IpodLinux in the early days. If you follow both projects now you'll see much more low-level developement in Rockbox than IpodLinux. |
02:57:40 | JdGordon | well... 100% isnt exactly true... parts of linux source was taken (stuff like the asm memcpy and such) :p |
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02:58:05 | fathefner | ok i get it |
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02:58:13 | fathefner | thatnk u |
02:58:19 | fathefner | thank u |
02:58:49 | fathefner | also are there other programs were u can view avi and oother video formats |
02:59:00 | Soap | not for the ipod. |
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03:01:11 | fathefner | can rockbox play video |
03:02:30 | safetydan | fathefner, yes but not well at the moment. It's still in development. |
03:03:12 | fathefner | ok srry for the troble |
03:03:20 | fathefner | and srry no spell check |
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03:06:59 | rds | (maybe a crazy question, but...) could it be possible to run rockbox under ipodlinux? I think that running the simulator could be easy (with a port of SDL to ipodlinux...) |
03:07:49 | rds | On this way, I'll get ipodlinux with the great rockbox GUI |
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03:09:14 | safetydan | rds, it might be possible but would be one heck of a lot of work |
03:10:00 | safetydan | you'd essentially be creating a new port of Rockbox, with all the problems that new ports have |
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03:13:03 | Llorean | rds: Out of curiosity, *why*? |
03:13:35 | Llorean | Specifically, why do you want to add additional overhead to Rockbox (also probably preventing it from using dual core) just so that you can be running it on top of iPL? |
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03:14:49 | rds | Llorean: just curiosity |
03:15:52 | Llorean | rds: In theory it's possible, but with the option to triple boot already available in both bootloaders the best solution would be to get ROLO working in Rockbox, and an equivalent working in iPL so that you can have one reboot you into the other, and vice versa. |
03:16:18 | Llorean | You get the benefits of running Rockbox natively, and it can be disguised as looking like you're just launching an app |
03:17:33 | Llorean | Well, in theory ROLO can load iPL, though I don't believe anyone's tried it yet, since I'm too lazy to set up an ext2 partition again. |
03:19:09 | rds | Thanks Llorean, that was plenty of information! |
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03:54:54 | zefie | phew that was complicated |
03:56:00 | zefie | tho it seems with that knowledge i could unbrick any sansa |
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04:18:53 | webguest15 | Hello? |
04:19:06 | webguest15 | any rockbox coder here? |
04:19:19 | Llorean | Arguably, though they may not be paying attention right now. |
04:19:52 | webguest15 | ha i "know" you... u post on ipod on 80g 5.5 |
04:20:06 | webguest15 | ok here is my question for the record |
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04:20:48 | webguest15 | do u think it would be possible to transform a rockbox operated player in a kind of usb soundcard? |
04:21:28 | Llorean | It might be able to transform one of the portalplayer ones into a bad one, possibly. |
04:21:30 | Llorean | MAYBE. |
04:21:43 | webguest15 | really? |
04:22:11 | webguest15 | that would be kinda cool tough i believe the latency wouldn't that much of a miracle |
04:22:34 | Llorean | Well, with the PortalPlayer ones, the USB is more or less software controlled. I'm not sure to what extent, but if it's enough, you could basically run a software soundcard that communicates through the USB port. It'd be *bad* if it's even physically capable. |
04:22:51 | webguest15 | why bad? |
04:23:03 | perplexity | the question is *why* you would want to do that.. I mean really.. a usb soundcard can be had for cheaps |
04:23:27 | webguest15 | sure but i already have my player ;) |
04:23:35 | Llorean | webguest15: Well, you're working with a rather limitedly slow processor. I mean how bad it is depends on how much power it really needs to have, I suppose. |
04:23:54 | perplexity | righto then.. check the wiki, install your cross-compiler and off you go ;) |
04:24:08 | webguest15 | well u don't need flops to play PCM |
04:24:23 | perplexity | you do to run an isosynchronous usb interface though |
04:24:27 | webguest15 | already have cross compiler |
04:24:47 | webguest15 | is that power consumming? |
04:24:48 | Llorean | You don't have *any* flops in Rockbox anyway. |
04:25:03 | Llorean | I guess "fpops" |
04:25:13 | webguest15 | ok mips then |
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04:28:13 | webguest15 | perplexity: do u need cpu power to sustain usb asynchronous connection w/ PCM CD quality flow? |
04:28:52 | webguest15 | what about ogg encoding for transfer... would it be any better? |
04:29:39 | Llorean | webguest15: I think part of the assumption is that you want more than streamed PCM from a soundcard, I mean there are very few computers these days without a minimal soundcard build in. |
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04:29:54 | perplexity | webguest15 seriously.. the answer is yes you do.. and no the player would not have enough power to decode ogg and run usb even if you wrote a driver for the pc end |
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04:31:52 | webguest15 | Llorean: no i just want a second sound card for 0 EUR... |
04:32:14 | perplexity | like I said, grab the specs, your compiler and get writing ;) |
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04:32:56 | webguest15 | perplexity: hear, hear... just doing like a feasability check! |
04:33:17 | webguest15 | i don't wanna rush head first into it |
04:33:39 | webguest15 | gotta take some advice from skilled rockbox devel |
04:33:59 | perplexity | well then, as Llorean said.. it *may* be possible on a PP unit, but you will need to write your own usb gadget stack from scratch most likely.. and don't even think about trying to do anything else on the player at the same time.. |
04:34:26 | webguest15 | it's sort of hard work: alsa backend, rockbox plugin... even some rockbox core mods... |
04:34:53 | Llorean | Not to mention there's no USB driver at all on PortalPlayer targets yet. |
04:34:53 | webguest15 | what is a PP unit? |
04:34:58 | perplexity | what has alsa got to do with it? you need to impliment the USB sound spec |
04:35:01 | safetydan | Do we even know how USB works on PP targets? |
04:35:04 | Llorean | iRiver H10, Sansa, iPod. |
04:35:05 | safetydan | ah, beaten by Llorean again |
04:35:14 | perplexity | doubt it.. |
04:35:16 | webguest15 | ack |
04:35:36 | Llorean | safetydan: We've made some headway. Someone "noticed" that the USB controller seems identical to another one that is documented, but with offset registers (or something, I'm only vaguely aware of it) |
04:35:52 | webguest15 | USB sound spec... gotta take a look into that. |
04:35:57 | Llorean | But it's still all software, so we need a USB stack, etc. |
04:36:12 | safetydan | Llorean, ah yes, I remember those emails now |
04:36:54 | safetydan | webguest15, put it this way, unless your time is free and you have a lot of it, it's going to be a lot cheaper to buy a USB sound card |
04:37:36 | webguest15 | my time ain't free. got a limited amount of that: round a century or so. What's limited got a price... |
04:37:53 | webguest15 | a least in capitalist countries |
04:38:35 | webguest15 | but the real question is: do i want to invest my time in a IT project that seems interresting... |
04:38:51 | Llorean | I'd suggest doing on that's actually beneficial to the Rockbox community as a whole. |
04:38:53 | Llorean | one |
04:38:58 | Llorean | But that's what I always suggest. |
04:39:30 | webguest15 | sure but i'm not confident at all w/ hardware reverse engineering... |
04:39:51 | webguest15 | if that's what u have in mind |
04:40:11 | safetydan | webguest15, well first you need to figure out how to talk to the PortalPlayer USB hardware. Then you need to write a USB stack that works with that and Rockbox. Then you need to implement the USB sound device spec. Then you need to figure out how to link that to the Rockbox PCM playback system. |
04:40:18 | safetydan | Just a small matter of programming really. |
04:41:41 | webguest15 | ohh that looks trivial really... ;) |
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04:44:46 | boris2 | sorry got disconnected this is webguest15 |
04:45:16 | boris2 | well anyway thank u for ur opinions |
04:45:28 | boris2 | i'm gonna think about all that |
04:45:46 | boris2 | bye |
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04:49:18 | safetydan | hrm, the inverted controls don't seem to survive a restart if you have the LCD upside down setting on |
04:49:50 | safetydan | oh wait, ignore me again |
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04:51:52 | midkay | JdGordon? |
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04:52:07 | saratoga | is the pp5020 frequency scaling patch likely to be commited soon? |
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04:52:52 | saratoga | it seems to be stable, and helps with power use |
04:55:44 | Llorean | saratoga: I think it and kernel_on_cop don't entirely get along well enough yet, or something. |
04:57:06 | JPMaximilian | is feisty still considerably unstable? |
04:57:13 | Llorean | "feisty"? |
04:57:18 | JPMaximilian | sorry! |
04:57:39 | Llorean | :-P |
04:57:48 | saratoga | Llorean: people on the patch tracker seem to think the issue is resolved |
04:58:04 | JPMaximilian | that was intended for the ubuntu channel |
04:58:07 | safetydan | Llorean might be considered feisty, not sure about being unstable though :) |
04:58:21 | Llorean | saratoga: Do you know the FS#? |
04:58:27 | Llorean | JPMaximilian: Figured. |
04:58:48 | Llorean | saratoga: The "Experiment" one? |
04:59:08 | saratoga | the v6 one |
04:59:13 | saratoga | i believe its the current version |
04:59:44 | saratoga | anyway, if the voltage patch is at very least reasonably compatable with the cop patch, and stable on its own, i think it should be commited |
04:59:47 | saratoga | its useful on its own |
04:59:57 | saratoga | and more work will be required for the cop patch anyway |
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05:00:09 | saratoga | since we currently don't seem to be able to put have the stuff that should go on the cop on the cop |
05:00:28 | saratoga | at least not without getting random lockups |
05:00:49 | Llorean | saratoga: My Nano runs with things on the COP just fine. |
05:01:04 | Llorean | If the PP5020 gets random lockups while putting things on the COP, then there are still things to work out. |
05:01:46 | Llorean | I'm not sure why someone there is moving anything but the codec thread to the cop though |
05:02:14 | saratoga | evidently some of the threads can't work on the cop |
05:02:17 | saratoga | yeah i don't know why they'd do that |
05:02:24 | saratoga | it seems like codec on the cop would be easiest |
05:02:24 | Llorean | The only threads on COP should be Main and Codec |
05:02:37 | Llorean | Also, I'm not sure 60/90 are the best frequency choices... |
05:03:16 | Llorean | It's a good deal higher than what we use today |
05:03:17 | saratoga | yeah i was wondering about that, but we'll probably want to tweak it anyway once the COP is commited |
05:03:28 | saratoga | since then we'll need way less CPU |
05:03:34 | Llorean | It seems like the patch is trying to kill two birds (skipping in playback, and freezes) and it should only be killing one. |
05:03:55 | Llorean | If someone posted one that didn't change the current CPU speeds, and fixed the freezes, it'd probably be *much* more likely to get included. |
05:04:05 | saratoga | also, does rockbox really not idle the CPU? |
05:04:23 | Llorean | Rockbox only idles the CPU if nothing at all needs to be done, I believe. Which is a rare state indeed. |
05:04:38 | saratoga | yeah, i'm mostly wondering about when the thing is sitting there not playing |
05:04:47 | saratoga | i wonder why they chose such a high CPU speed for it |
05:04:58 | saratoga | seems like 10 or 12 MHz should be fine |
05:04:58 | Llorean | As I said, they want to fix problems the patch shouldn't be addressing |
05:05:10 | Llorean | I think the 24 is something they were restricted to |
05:05:13 | saratoga | perhaps you should post your thoughts to that entry |
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05:05:55 | saratoga | perhaps encourage them to split this up into different tasks |
05:07:01 | Llorean | Alright, I've made comment 100 |
05:07:10 | Llorean | Increasing the CPU frequency is a BAD solution. It's already unfavourable. |
05:07:28 | Llorean | It makes battery life worse, and it's a way of saying "We can't solve the problem with the tools we have, so let's pretend like it's not there" |
05:07:52 | safetydan | saratoga, there is some code related to CPU sleep in thread.c. Of the PP targets only the PP5020 seems to be supported |
05:07:58 | safetydan | check sleep_core(void) |
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05:08:30 | pyrokenx | Hey all |
05:08:53 | saratoga | h |
05:08:56 | saratoga | ah |
05:09:00 | saratoga | well, i need to get some sleep |
05:09:01 | pyrokenx | no matter what I do with my ipod nano, rockdoom wont work, this is after following the directions and looking very hard on the web |
05:09:03 | saratoga | thanks for the info |
05:09:10 | saratoga | and thoughts |
05:09:11 | pyrokenx | on my iriver I got it to work |
05:09:31 | Llorean | pyrokenx: What folder are your main wads in? |
05:09:37 | pyrokenx | the directory listed was not the right one in the directions for the iriver |
05:09:39 | pyrokenx | so I suspect the same |
05:09:45 | pyrokenx | the wads are in /games/doom/ |
05:09:51 | Llorean | They belong in /.rockbox/doom/ |
05:09:57 | pyrokenx | rockdoom.wad doom1.wad and doom2.wad |
05:10:03 | pyrokenx | I put them there as well |
05:10:05 | pyrokenx | after searching on the web |
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05:10:25 | Llorean | Are you using an official SVN version of Rockbox, a new one? |
05:10:33 | pyrokenx | using a daily build |
05:10:44 | Llorean | Today's? |
05:10:59 | pyrokenx | not sure, probably not |
05:11:01 | pyrokenx | from a week ago |
05:11:12 | pyrokenx | that can be easily fixed though ;p |
05:12:07 | Llorean | I tested Doom on several targets yesterday with no problem, though I haven't tested it on Nano recently |
05:12:28 | Llorean | If you can't get it working with the .wads in /.rockbox/doom on a Nano with the most recent SVN build, I'll happily try myself and see what happens |
05:12:44 | pyrokenx | ok, I will do that in a bit |
05:12:58 | pyrokenx | props to the devs@ rockbox |
05:13:03 | pyrokenx | your one of my favorite open projects :) |
05:13:27 | pyrokenx | (which are my only favorite kinds) ;) |
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06:00:22 | Aaron3 | Hye |
06:00:23 | Aaron3 | Hey |
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06:13:19 | Sindal | Anyone had luck unlocking a fujitsu HDD? |
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06:15:58 | Llorean | Sindal: In regards to the ones in Rockbox targets, I believe this is the information available: http://www.rockbox.org/lock.html |
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06:18:24 | JdGordon | midkay: hey mate, wassup? |
06:18:25 | Sindal | yea Ive been reading through there (thats how I found this channel). Im just not having any luck unlocking this particular drive using the ATA password tool |
06:18:47 | Llorean | Well, as it says, nobody here has really experienced a problem with that since '02 |
06:19:26 | Sindal | ok thanks |
06:19:32 | Llorean | If your drive isn't from an Archos player, there's no guarantee that the password is blank. |
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06:30:46 | Aaron3 | Do you guys like to keep your FLAC cd's as one large cd, or split up? |
06:31:29 | Llorean | Since Rockbox supports proper gapless, there's really no reason not to split it up for playback. |
06:32:02 | Aaron3 | Oh, can I get some wiki access to upload RockSki to the Wiki |
06:32:27 | Aaron3 | I set up the username AaronGoltz |
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06:33:44 | Llorean | Aaron3: It should be done |
06:33:54 | Aaron3 | I'll go check |
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06:37:22 | Aaron3 | So this isn't as hopping as I would have hoped |
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06:39:40 | midkay | JdGordon: hey.. i just had a question about your latest commit. |
06:40:40 | midkay | prefixing a setting+value with "~" will effectively keep that setting locked so that even if it's changed in Rockbox, the change won't be saved to the config file unless the file is edited or the tilde removed? |
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06:40:59 | Llorean | midkay: That's what the message sounds like. |
06:41:19 | midkay | that's what the example definitely looks like to me.. but the way he worded the message made me wonder. |
06:44:19 | Llorean | I rather like that as a feature. |
06:44:25 | Llorean | Assuming that's what it is. |
06:45:35 | midkay | yeah, it seems useful actually... |
06:45:56 | Llorean | It lets you set some constant defaults. |
06:46:38 | midkay | yeah, right. |
06:47:06 | Llorean | Though I personally would only be likely to use it for volume. Still, some people might like it for repeat mode, shuffle mode, etc. |
06:47:59 | midkay | yeah.. i can see it being useful for a lot of people. i don't think off the top of my head that i'd use it for anything, though. |
06:48:05 | fejfighter | I could be handy for testing settings as a one off, especially testing patches |
06:48:08 | fejfighter | it* |
06:48:37 | Llorean | Well it could also be used to automatically disable idle poweroff or whatnot. |
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06:55:06 | Aaron3 | So I uploaded my theme to the Wiki but I'm not sure how to get it to appear at the index of themes at the top |
06:59:21 | Llorean | Did you use the same formatting for the entry, regarding header and stuff, as the other entries do? |
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07:00:15 | Aaron3 | I used −−-RockSki for the header, followed by −−- at the end |
07:01:16 | Aaron3 | ahh |
07:01:18 | Aaron3 | I need a ++ |
07:01:36 | Aaron3 | I thought the guy above me was just using that as part of his theme title |
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07:02:32 | KCC | which platform does your theme run on? |
07:02:36 | JdGordon | midkay: Llorean, i wish you guys were her last night.. the swedes (apart from linus) didnt like ti so much :p |
07:02:55 | JdGordon | and yes, you got it.. except you cant even disable it just yet.. minor oversight on my part |
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07:04:00 | Aaron3 | 5G ipod |
07:04:05 | Llorean | JdGordon: It solves the problem of people setting the volume too high from being in a loud place, turning it off, and then turning it on and deafening themselves. |
07:04:18 | JdGordon | bingo |
07:04:20 | Llorean | It doesn't seem *terribly* useful, but I can see it as a general solution to more problems than many specific solutions are. |
07:04:56 | JdGordon | it just needs a simple way to manage them.. because once they are loaded, even reloading config.cfg wont disable them |
07:06:10 | Llorean | Just make it so that explicitly loading a .cfg file (clicking on it, browse configs, etc) resets all ~s set |
07:06:10 | Aaron3 | Do any of you know which DAP has the highest quality output? Is the SNR coming from the Ipod's line out as good as one can get? |
07:06:57 | Llorean | Aaron3: The digital output of the H100 series tops that, if you've got a good external DAC. |
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07:07:29 | JdGordon | Llorean: atm the ~ settings are only read if config.cfg is used (and they are onl saved if saving to config.cfg), you rekon loading any other .cfg is good enough? |
07:07:54 | Aaron3 | Such as a headphone amp? |
07:09:04 | Llorean | Aaron3: I said "DAC" not "Amp" |
07:10:05 | Llorean | JdGordon: Well, if you load a .cfg manually, any settings *in* that .cfg should be reset. |
07:10:05 | Aaron3 | Well what is a DAC(Digital Audio Converter)? I thought those were inside the MP# player |
07:10:10 | Llorean | So if it sets volume, it should. |
07:10:20 | Llorean | But if it's just a theme.cfg, it should only overwrite the theme options. |
07:10:39 | Llorean | Aaron3: Yes, but if you're using an MP3 player's Digital Output, clearly it hasn't been converted to Analog yet, has it? |
07:10:46 | perplexity | <Llorean> Aaron3: The digital output of the H100 series tops that, if you've got a good external DAC. <−− that looked pretty self explanatory to me.. |
07:14:51 | Aaron3 | Well I guess it was self explanatory for you but not for me |
07:16:41 | Llorean | As for the iPod SNR, I can still pick up a hiss with my CX300s, it's not as bad as the analog out on the iRiver, but it's worse than the Archos or Sansa. |
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07:17:02 | Llorean | The Sansa has a bit of a noise issue regarding the LEDs for the scrollwheel, and I haven't heard sound in Rockbox yet since that's not done. |
07:17:10 | Llorean | And I haven't tested the Gigabeat with them yet. |
07:17:43 | Aaron3 | Have you seen anything about that company that installs the DAC inside the ipod and sells the docks for 2000 dollars? |
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07:26:09 | Aaron3 | Did they phase out optical inputs and outputs on the new 300 series because they thought people don't really use them? |
07:26:36 | Llorean | Probably |
07:26:54 | JdGordon | Llorean: done :) |
07:26:55 | Llorean | They also changed the retail firmware so it only recorded MP3, not WAV as well |
07:28:38 | Aaron3 | I've been hearing background noise from the hard drive and other random noises on my Ipod. I'm guessing it has nothing to do with Rockbox and maybe my headphone jack has come loose |
07:29:10 | Llorean | Aaron3: HD spinups on some devices can create audible noise in headphones. |
07:29:22 | Llorean | I have a Nano so there's no disk spinup, but I think I've heard people mention it on iPod. |
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07:33:28 | JdGordon | Llorean: do you think the ~ settings should be accepted from any .cfg file? or only config.cfg? |
07:34:05 | Llorean | JdGordon: Only config.cfg, I think |
07:34:25 | Llorean | But that's just me. |
07:34:32 | JdGordon | ok, i agree |
07:34:39 | Llorean | I'm not really sure what other people would do with it. |
07:35:04 | JdGordon | neither. :p |
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07:48:18 | Aaron3 | Do you think it would be hard to open up an ipod and wire up a small minijack up to the line-in pins internally? |
07:48:22 | * | JdGordon hates trying to make the commit messages understandable and sort of short :p |
07:49:43 | Llorean | Aaron3: It's been done before, I believe, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort. You're going to want to use the line-out with a proper amp anyway, and in that case you could just use a dongle. |
07:50:18 | Aaron3 | Oh, i'm talking about using the line-in pins for recording |
07:50:49 | Llorean | Oh, sorry, I read "line-out pins" for some reason |
07:51:00 | Aaron3 | Six months ago I wired up a line-in dock connector when I was trying out IpodLinux but I never could tell how well it worked since i didn't havea mic preamp |
07:51:01 | Llorean | Even then, a dongle should be good enough, but it would be possible probably |
07:51:45 | Aaron3 | Yeah, I guess it would be looking for too much trouble just to be able to sport an extra minijack |
07:56:18 | Aaron3 | What causes a FLAC file's kbps to be really low, like 500 instead of around 1000? |
07:56:46 | Aaron3 | I thought that maybe it meant the source was bad like if I tried to convert a low kbps .mp3 to a Flac file |
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07:57:40 | Llorean | Eh, usually it's just a question of how easy or hard the audio is to compress acoustically. |
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07:58:58 | Aaron3 | So when a kbps is lower on an mp3 it means lower quality, but that isn't true about flac? |
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08:00:59 | Llorean | FLAC is lossless. |
08:01:03 | Llorean | There is no such thing as lower quality. |
08:01:05 | JdGordon | uh oh! /me isnt going to be popular when ppl wake up :p |
08:01:37 | Aaron3 | Alright, I'm going to bed. Thanks for the answers Llorean |
08:01:51 | Llorean | JdGordon: I thought Rombox already didn't build for Rec... |
08:02:05 | Llorean | At least the downloads only include Rockbox.ucl, and not Rombox.ucl |
08:02:10 | Aaron3 | I'm going to go give this Japan Harvest Pink Floyd dark side of the moon |
08:02:19 | Aaron3 | Unfortunately without my Grados |
08:02:22 | JdGordon | I dunno.. but its red now :p |
08:03:32 | JdGordon | Llorean: ah, you are right.... for some reason if the size is slightly too large it says so but with an error that the script doesnt expect so its not red |
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08:03:49 | JdGordon | I just tipped it back over to the point where gcc complains instead of the external script |
08:04:24 | Llorean | So you didn't actually break anything more, you just made it more apparent that it's broken. |
08:04:29 | amiconn | Blargh |
08:04:55 | amiconn | This usesless persistent settings thing now increased code size even more :( |
08:04:55 | JdGordon | yeah |
08:05:14 | LinusN | i wonder if the perhaps the persistence feature is worth it |
08:05:14 | JdGordon | :D morning mr grumpy :) |
08:05:47 | Llorean | It does resolve a few common feature requests. I've seen this exact feature requested at least once, as well as the fact that it allows for a consistent safe boot volume level. |
08:06:19 | Llorean | I can't say whether it's worth it or not, but I do expect it to be reasonably popular among the masses. |
08:06:24 | LinusN | Llorean: i believed so too, but i couldn't find an exact match in flyspray |
08:06:54 | amiconn | I can't see a usage case where it would be useful, but perhaps it is, for someone :/ |
08:07:05 | Llorean | LinusN: The request specifically for it was never posted to flyspray, I don't think. I do know that somewhere, someone told me (or the forums) that they wanted an option to be able to 'lock' features so that they reset upon reboot. |
08:07:20 | LinusN | amiconn: you don't usually see a use case for features you don't use yourself |
08:07:25 | amiconn | JdGordon: At least I think that when settings are converted to use tables it will become simpler and more compact to implement |
08:07:42 | JdGordon | how? |
08:08:21 | JdGordon | either way, when the settings are finished being moved there should be a bit more room to play with |
08:08:27 | amiconn | Then you don't need to store the settings strings which are persistent, but just store the indices |
08:08:47 | Llorean | Though another less code-intensive option is just having it load two .cfg files |
08:08:52 | Llorean | A second, persistent.cfg |
08:08:58 | Llorean | That one is never written to, and loaded second. |
08:09:21 | JdGordon | nice and simple... |
08:09:27 | Llorean | You get the exact same functionality with a somewhat simpler interface. ;) |
08:09:58 | JdGordon | thats a 2nd disk read tho at startup... will the speed difference be noticable? |
08:10:35 | Llorean | As long as the disk isn't spun down, I rather doubt it. |
08:10:50 | Llorean | With how long WPS loading takes, an extra single rather small file probably won't be measurable. |
08:10:51 | * | amiconn likes this 'second file' idea much better |
08:11:41 | JdGordon | ok, we'll do that then, got a better name for the file than persistent.cfg tho? |
08:11:47 | amiconn | Less code, and easier to persist/unpersist settings on device |
08:11:54 | Llorean | JdGordon: Bah, I'm terrible with names. |
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08:12:03 | Llorean | constant.cfg? |
08:12:39 | JdGordon | boot.cfg maybe? |
08:12:53 | amiconn | fixed.cfg ? |
08:12:59 | Llorean | I like fixed.cfg |
08:13:05 | JdGordon | load_me_after_config_so_i_dont_blow_out_my_ears.cfg ? |
08:13:05 | JdGordon | :p |
08:13:08 | Llorean | Boot.cfg suggests it has something to do with booting or the bootloader. |
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08:20:53 | JdGordon | ok, done |
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08:27:57 | Llorean | And there you go, back to being not yet Red on the Rec builds |
08:28:39 | LinusN | 2892 bytes to go |
08:29:44 | Llorean | LinusN: Wasn't someone talking recently about having greatly reduced the size of the Archos bootloader thingy? |
08:30:21 | LinusN | i dunno |
08:30:40 | LinusN | i thought the archos bootloader was kind of small |
08:30:59 | amiconn | Llorean: [IDC]Dragon did, but it's not yet committed. Not the bootloader, but bootbox |
08:31:53 | amiconn | LinusN: This is because rockbox boot on a flashed archos is a bit more modular than on the swcodec targets |
08:32:20 | Llorean | amiconn: Well, isn't "bootbox" the in-flash replacement bootloader, essentially? Or am I confusing my terms again? |
08:32:24 | amiconn | The swcodec bootloader is the equivalent to our archos flash loader * |
08:32:29 | amiconn | plus* bootbox |
08:32:48 | * | Llorean goes to read the wiki |
08:33:03 | amiconn | On archos, the flash loader is very tiny, because it has no lcd output and disk access code at all |
08:33:34 | Llorean | And bootbox is the charging/USB thing. Gotcha. |
08:33:56 | amiconn | It just allows selecting from 2 boot images with button presses (plus the serial "minimon" with a third button) |
08:34:12 | amiconn | The boot images can be ucl compressed or uncompressed |
08:34:21 | Llorean | Is the amount he decreased Bootbox enough to get Rombox back for the moment? |
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08:34:35 | amiconn | The first image is the backup image, the second image is the main image |
08:34:35 | GodEater | Llorean appears to be catching some forum related illness where he uses the words "thing" and "thingy" a lot ;) |
08:34:58 | amiconn | Only the second image is replaced when flashing rockbox.ucl/rombox.ucl |
08:35:27 | LinusN | i still think we need a strategy how to handle featuritis on the archos |
08:35:41 | amiconn | The first image is bootbox, which is the emergency image and is able to load rockbox from disk, give usb access, and on the recorder v1 charge the batteries |
08:35:42 | LinusN | rockbox is not going to shrink in the future |
08:36:18 | Llorean | LinusN: I still think putting it in a branch, and feature-freezing it isn't so bad a thing by this point. With a grandfathered in exception for WAV playback. |
08:36:20 | LinusN | so some features will inevitably have to be excluded from the archos |
08:36:22 | amiconn | There is a good deal of space to regain from lang v2 cleanup |
08:36:33 | LinusN | amiconn: very true |
08:36:38 | * | amiconn wonders whether safetydan is still working on it |
08:37:01 | amiconn | A smaller bootbox will give us some more room |
08:37:28 | LinusN | amiconn: how much? |
08:37:38 | amiconn | It's an incompatible change for rombox.ucl though, because the load address is different |
08:38:11 | amiconn | The latter isn't a big problem imho. rockbox_flash.rock checks this |
08:38:24 | amiconn | LinusN: ~12KB iirc |
08:38:35 | LinusN | oh? where did he find all that space? |
08:39:25 | amiconn | Iirc [IDC]Dragon cut out file system & disk write support, subdirectory support, font characters outside the ascii range |
08:39:58 | * | amiconn wonders whether he did the latter for the player as well |
08:39:58 | LinusN | gosh! plenty of #ifdef then? |
08:40:05 | amiconn | Not sure |
08:40:25 | amiconn | He didn't show his code yet |
08:40:31 | LinusN | :-( |
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08:42:17 | DaRoos | howdy |
08:42:28 | DaRoos | anyone awake? I have a few questions about 5g rockbox |
08:42:52 | LinusN | shoot |
08:43:04 | DaRoos | THanks. I am very familiar with rockbox, so this SHOULD be easy. |
08:43:21 | DaRoos | I had a problem with RB, so I had to format my unit with itunes, and start over. No problem. |
08:43:41 | DaRoos | I've been using "version 2" of the config, the one with -scan that's easier... howerver, I've got an odd problem. |
08:44:06 | amiconn | LinusN: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20070119.txt starting 22:47 |
08:44:19 | DaRoos | My unit functions asnd plays fine, but randomally it "freezes" it's screen during play... I can make the lcd light up, and it keeps playing, but I *have* to reboot it to do anything. Anyone else seen this/ |
08:44:20 | DaRoos | ? |
08:44:32 | Llorean | To translate, "the most recent released version of ipodpatcher" I'm guessing, since "config" doesn't mean much in regards to −−scan, and neither does "version 2" since I believe the reported version is 0.5 or 0.6 |
08:44:50 | LinusN | DaRoos: are you using the database? |
08:44:57 | Llorean | DaRoos: And what build are you using? |
08:45:03 | DaRoos | I'm not sure what version is what - I have no idea where to find various ipodpatcher versions. |
08:45:15 | DaRoos | I'm using the latest "build" of the IPOD (daily builds) |
08:45:16 | GodEater | it says it on the first line when you run it |
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08:45:23 | DaRoos | Ok, I'll run now - 1 sec :) |
08:45:30 | Llorean | DaRoos: It shouldn't matter, if you used the version with −−scan, and you've booted Rockbox, then you're past needing to really care. |
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08:45:59 | LinusN | DaRoos: you are not the only one observing this |
08:46:02 | GodEater | is this a symptom of the frequency scaling issue on some iPods ? |
08:46:47 | LinusN | i dunno |
08:46:48 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6549#comment12671 |
08:47:10 | DaRoos | ipodpacher .05 |
08:47:17 | DaRoos | er 0.5 |
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08:47:41 | GodEater | I doubt it's an ATA issue too |
08:47:43 | Llorean | LinusN: This sounds like the inverse of that. |
08:47:56 | Llorean | DaRoos: You say the screen freezes but playback continues? |
08:48:06 | LinusN | ah yes |
08:48:12 | DaRoos | Yes |
08:48:27 | DaRoos | That's exactly right.. and it will keep going to, even to the next song or whatever... just the video freezes |
08:48:35 | LinusN | wow |
08:48:39 | Llorean | That's new. |
08:48:40 | LinusN | that's a new one :-) |
08:48:43 | DaRoos | and I can't adjust volume or really do anything BUT make the lcd light up and touch and of course hard-reboot |
08:49:01 | DaRoos | This guy on that weblink has same exact issue: |
08:49:02 | DaRoos | Comment by Chris Wong (decayed.cell) - Wednesday, 24 January 2007, 09:37PM |
08:49:02 | DaRoos | I don't know if this is related, but every now and then after adding music and updating the database, I'll play maybe 20 minutes of songs, and when I go to play the next one it freezes - not the whole of rockbox, but just the playback stops. If I try to play another song, sometimes it says file not found, sometimes playback just freezes again. To fix this, I have to restart the iPod. Just noting this because it happened again last night >< |
08:49:23 | DaRoos | What is "the database" you speak of? |
08:49:23 | Llorean | DaRoos: No, his problem is that the music stops but the delay is fine. |
08:49:33 | Llorean | Err display |
08:49:37 | Llorean | Not delay |
08:49:46 | DaRoos | oh, true.. ok, just noticed that. |
08:50:01 | Llorean | Clearly we need to swap some parts and then you'll have one iPod that freezes the right way, and one that works. |
08:50:19 | DaRoos | I never had *any* issues iwth my un it since the apple format/update and me using the new ipodpatcher versions. Could it be related to that? |
08:50:31 | Llorean | It's somewhat unlikely |
08:50:38 | Llorean | Has this happened on multiple builds of Rockbox, or just this one? |
08:50:40 | GodEater | DaRoos: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-340004.2 <−− database |
08:50:44 | Bagder | svn committer 38 added |
08:50:50 | DaRoos | I've tried multipole builds of rockbox, even really old ones. |
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08:51:37 | Llorean | DaRoos: And your bootloader has black background and white text? |
08:51:48 | DaRoos | Godeater : gotcha, I'm not using database at all. |
08:51:48 | Llorean | It's rather unlikely to relate to the bootloader at all. |
08:52:12 | DaRoos | Llorean : yes, I'm using the very very default rockbox, to help troubleshoot - it still does it. |
08:52:29 | DaRoos | Standard Rockbox, no toys or addons, or themes, etc |
08:53:00 | Llorean | DaRoos: And what format is the music, out of curiosity? |
08:53:08 | Llorean | Though that seems unlikely to be a cause either. |
08:53:08 | DaRoos | Standard mp3's, audiobooks |
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08:53:20 | DaRoos | no, i"ve tried all kinds of various mp3's in my troubleshooting |
08:53:32 | Llorean | How do you reproduce it? |
08:53:41 | DaRoos | I really think it's the something apple may have done in their latest firmware that rockbox doesn't like? |
08:53:54 | Llorean | That seems rather unlikely too. |
08:53:54 | DaRoos | OR there's a problem with my ipod hardware wise (seems unlikely) |
08:54:03 | DaRoos | OR it's the ipodpatcher (bootloader) |
08:54:17 | Llorean | There's really not much that the bootloader or the apple firmware can do to cause this sort of thing, or shouldn't be. |
08:54:32 | DaRoos | To reproduce it, all I have to do is just turn it on, play my audiobook and eventually it will freeze the screen - maybe 1 minute, maybe 30, but it will do it. |
08:55:08 | GodEater | the audiobook is an mp3 too ? Or some other format ? |
08:55:15 | Llorean | GodEater: MP3, we covered that. :-P |
08:55:17 | DaRoos | (screen freezes, I can't adjust volume, use menus.. all I can do is reboot it OR make the lcd come on by touching any of the 'wheel' area) |
08:55:32 | Llorean | DaRoos: And progress doesn't update or anything? |
08:55:43 | GodEater | Llorean: sorry - I guess I interpreted that line differently to you |
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08:55:51 | DaRoos | Before I came here, I reformatted it again, to maybe try to get bug go away. Where can I get ipodpatcher 0.6? Maybe I should try that one? |
08:56:00 | Llorean | GodEater: I realized it could be interpreted differently immediately after I said that. |
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08:56:24 | Llorean | DaRoos: There isn't really a 0.6. |
08:56:27 | DaRoos | llorean : no, progress doesn't update... just freezes screen.. but it keeps playing as normal, same volume and will even keep playing the next mp3's in the audiobook as normall.. just keeps going. |
08:56:31 | GodEater | DaRoos: if ipodpatcher were the problem, you wouldn't even be running rockbox |
08:56:33 | Llorean | It's hard to explain clearly, but basically the newest released version is the one with −−scan |
08:56:58 | DaRoos | I understand that ll.. some people in forums refer to it as "generation 2" of the loader or whatever |
08:57:02 | Llorean | It's just that there was a 0.5 *before* the scan option, and I couldn't remember if the −−scan one was 0.5, or 0.6 |
08:57:24 | * | Llorean has never seen anyone in the Rockbox forums refer to that as generation 2 of ipodpatcher. |
08:57:29 | Llorean | And ipodpatcher *isn't* the loader. |
08:57:43 | GodEater | there's the 0.6cvs version - but linuxstb *doesn't* want it in the hands of people who can't compile it themselves. He's said so. |
08:57:58 | Llorean | GodEater: Yeah, that really shouldn't be numbered 0.6 |
08:58:10 | GodEater | besides, I *really* don't think it's an ipodpatcher issue |
08:58:13 | Llorean | The current one should be 0.6 (or higher) |
08:58:28 | GodEater | how large is the mp3 DaRoos ? |
08:58:29 | Llorean | DaRoos: How old is the "really old" build you tried? |
08:58:33 | DaRoos | could it be a problem with the image it's loading? Should I use the old-school loader (the one with mroe steps) and those images? |
08:58:39 | DaRoos | about 6 months... |
08:58:53 | Llorean | DaRoos: The "image" as you speak, is the actual bootloader. |
08:58:56 | DaRoos | I used to do a full save of my ipod for the fuck of it, every few months.. that's why I have so many old snapshots |
08:59:04 | Llorean | It's very very very likely NOTHING to do with any part of the install process. |
08:59:06 | DaRoos | llorean : gotcha. |
08:59:34 | DaRoos | well, the "bootloader" is the latest "build" we download then, yes? |
08:59:41 | Llorean | No. |
08:59:48 | Llorean | The bootloader is the file bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod |
08:59:49 | * | GodEater reads the latest "valley girl" english posts on the forums with slack-jawed disbelief |
08:59:53 | DaRoos | Ah, gotcha. |
08:59:59 | Llorean | The 'build' is Rockbox |
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09:00:26 | DaRoos | I'm wondering if i should try the old method with the old bootloader - or has the bootloader image NOT progressed over time? |
09:00:40 | Llorean | All the bootloader does is moves Rockbox from the disk into RAM |
09:00:55 | Llorean | The image you're using right now works for hundreds of other people just fine. |
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09:01:16 | * | GodEater still wants to know how big the offending audio file is |
09:01:19 | DaRoos | hrmm, I do so believe you :) |
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09:01:33 | Llorean | You can try to use the old method, but if it solves your problem, it just means that we're less likely to find out what the real problem was. |
09:01:36 | DaRoos | it's all kidns of mp3's god.. it doesn't amtter what mp3 file I play. Music, audiobooks, whatever |
09:01:44 | Llorean | You may as well if you want to go through the hassle. |
09:02:03 | Llorean | It could solve the problem, but it'd be really strange if it did, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it reemerge later. |
09:02:14 | Llorean | As well, you'll need the newer bootloader version for when Dual Core support happens anyway |
09:02:15 | amiconn | Llorean: The bootloader also does some cop init stuff, so an old bootloader (which doesn't do this) might cause problems with newer rockbox builds |
09:02:17 | DaRoos | If I use the latest method, how can I troubleshoot it now tho? |
09:02:34 | GodEater | amiconn speaks truth |
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09:02:35 | Llorean | amiconn: It shouldn't cause it with current builds, as far as I'm aware, but will once the COP is implemented in-rockbox. |
09:02:53 | Llorean | amiconn: At least, I haven't seen five thousand people asking why Rockbox doesn't work in the forums, yet. |
09:02:56 | GodEater | COP patch still hasn't been comited yet ? |
09:03:01 | Llorean | GodEater: Nup. |
09:03:05 | GodEater | thought not |
09:03:54 | dan_a | GodEater: It's not stable for all targets yet. I suspect that once frequency scaling has been sorted out, the COP patch will be OK |
09:03:55 | DaRoos | the "old" version of ipodpatcher I was using "ok" was 0.3 |
09:03:57 | brenton_ | I have a n00bish question: Do I need to re-transfer my music after installing rockbox on my Gigabeat? |
09:04:24 | w1ll14m|work | good morning all ;) |
09:04:30 | Bagder | brenton_: isn't that mentioned in the manual? |
09:04:52 | Llorean | brenton_: Rockbox doesn't support .sat files |
09:04:53 | brenton_ | I wasn't sure. :\ I'm only 13 pages in. |
09:04:58 | GodEater | does the frequency scaling issue cause a complete lock up ? Or does it just generate choppy sound ? |
09:05:17 | Llorean | GodEater: Complete lockup, and often an Illegal Instruction message or similar, if I recall |
09:05:23 | Bagder | brenton_: AFAIU, you must retransfer them since the OF keeps them in ".sat" files that Rockbox doesn't know of |
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09:06:08 | * | Llorean has never used the original firmware on his Gigabeat, nor installed the 'software' that came with it. |
09:06:19 | brenton_ | Ahh. Ok. Well, I've already formatted it, but I was going to transfer the files before installing rockbox, before I went to sleep. |
09:06:28 | * | GodEater hopes to follow in Llorean's footsteps as soon as his Gigabeat arrives |
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09:06:36 | Llorean | brenton_: You just need to copy them over in disk mode, and ROckbox can use 'em |
09:06:43 | brenton_ | But, since rockbox doesn't recogonize .sat, I'm going to go ahead and g o to sleep. |
09:06:45 | Llorean | GodEater: I've decided that the Gigabeat is a rather solid Rockbox target. |
09:06:52 | JdGordon | morning Bagder, re topic, the cvsmod/chlog- pages still point to cvs builds not svn |
09:06:54 | brenton_ | And do it tommorow. :) Thanks everyone. |
09:07:04 | GodEater | that's the impression I got from listening in on the conversations in here |
09:07:12 | GodEater | which is why I decided to get one |
09:07:16 | Bagder | JdGordon: you mean the menu text, right? |
09:07:17 | Llorean | I do feel slightly unsettled to look at the audio thread and see 0% boost and 99mhz constantly. |
09:07:20 | GodEater | it's going to live in the car |
09:07:23 | JdGordon | Bagder: yeah |
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09:07:26 | GodEater | hahahaha |
09:07:46 | JdGordon | Bagder: and under the table |
09:07:52 | JdGordon | "Back to daily builds / CVS builds" |
09:07:55 | Llorean | GodEater: Honestly, the Gigabeat is what I'd recommend to someone looking for an headphones-portable-use HD based player right now, since they're about the same price as H120s and easier to find. |
09:07:57 | Bagder | ah yes |
09:08:17 | * | GodEater guards his H140 jealously |
09:08:36 | Llorean | My H120 is still my favorite player. |
09:08:46 | GodEater | heh - although I bought mine when they still came on the shelves in the local electronics store and weren't hard to find at all |
09:08:51 | Llorean | Same |
09:09:05 | GodEater | shame iriver discontinued them |
09:09:13 | JdGordon | Bagder: also http://www.rockbox.org/docs/credits.html |
09:09:20 | GodEater | they're a sound ('scuse pun) piece of kit |
09:09:34 | Bagder | JdGordon: yeah, all sorts of pages still have the older menu |
09:09:43 | Bagder | I don't really consider that due to the transition |
09:09:47 | JdGordon | the credits one points into cvsmod.cgi |
09:09:51 | Bagder | but merely due to our crappy makefiles on the site |
09:09:58 | Bagder | oh |
09:10:24 | JdGordon | viewcvs.cgi i mean |
09:12:21 | * | amiconn wonders who made those crappy Makefiles ;) |
09:12:57 | * | Bagder blames Zagor and his liking of wildcards in makefiles... :-) |
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09:15:48 | Bagder | JdGordon: how did you even find the docs/credits.html link? |
09:16:06 | Bagder | I fixed it now, but nothing should link there |
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09:36:41 | aliask | Just picked up a sansa c240, looks like a good mi4 target. |
09:37:09 | Bagder | aliask: yeah, we had a good poke on that this (euro) night |
09:37:11 | aliask | If that thing with austriamicrosystems comes through at least. |
09:37:22 | Bagder | it even has a 3514 |
09:37:39 | aliask | Is that the same as the e200? |
09:37:52 | Bagder | no, the e200 has that "built-in" into the PP chip |
09:38:13 | Bagder | but yeah, its the same AS3514 |
09:38:27 | aliask | I'm having trouble identifying the CPU in it (from the anythingbutipod page) |
09:38:36 | Bagder | we have as well |
09:38:43 | Bagder | but the mi4 mentions PP5022 |
09:38:50 | Bagder | just like the e200 mi4 does |
09:39:06 | aliask | PortalPlayer have started hiding the markings on their chips I think |
09:39:20 | aliask | I think they did it in the newer ipods. |
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09:39:44 | Bagder | I take it you saw my initial take at a wiki page for the c200 |
09:39:53 | aliask | Just this second |
09:40:23 | Bagder | it could run the e200 bootloader, but the lcd got all black ;-) |
09:40:38 | aliask | Funny that :) |
09:41:18 | aliask | It's actually a birthday gift for my mum, so I won't be able to poke around on it too much for at least a week :P |
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09:41:29 | Bagder | hehe |
09:42:12 | Bagder | I have the mi4 on the mi4 page and the TEA key is in the latest mi4code |
09:42:23 | aliask | Excellent |
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09:44:05 | JdGordon | Bagder: the wiki links to it |
09:44:52 | aliask | Hey there Jd, how're things? |
09:45:08 | JdGordon | not bad, you? |
09:45:20 | aliask | Pretty good, enrolled at monash yesterday |
09:45:38 | JdGordon | congrats, which campass? |
09:45:42 | aliask | Clayton |
09:45:51 | aliask | Which are you at? |
09:45:52 | JdGordon | nice, we'll get a beer when semester starts |
09:46:00 | aliask | Awesome |
09:46:04 | JdGordon | clayton, one subject a week at caulfield tho :( |
09:46:15 | aliask | Ah that sucks, at least you dont live too far from it. |
09:46:20 | JdGordon | yeah |
09:46:39 | JdGordon | fortunatly i wont need to drive from one to the other and back... |
09:46:52 | aliask | Yeah that'd suck |
09:46:54 | JdGordon | what course you get into? |
09:47:06 | aliask | Straight engineering |
09:47:35 | JdGordon | do you know which stream you want to get into for 2nd year? |
09:47:52 | aliask | Nope, one of the reasons I went to monash, they have a general 1st year |
09:48:07 | aliask | I'm thinking maybe electrical, possibly materials or chemical. |
09:48:16 | scorche | electrical! |
09:48:35 | scorche | ...or chemical |
09:48:39 | aliask | I'm doing a few EE courses this year at least so hopefully I'll pick up some useful stuff. |
09:48:43 | JdGordon | electrical is horrible, but out of those 3 its definatly the best |
09:48:54 | JdGordon | eng1301? |
09:48:54 | aliask | Why do you say horrible? |
09:49:04 | JdGordon | coz its maths and physics which i cant stand |
09:49:43 | aliask | 1301 isn't on the first year selection |
09:49:50 | scorche | if i went into EE or ME, i would have an instant job making all sorts of fun robotics |
09:50:02 | aliask | See that sounds cool |
09:50:20 | JdGordon | 1301 was core when i went torugh... i kniow they fiddled with the core, but i would assume thats a prereq for EE |
09:50:21 | aliask | What did you do scorche? |
09:50:30 | scorche | uhhhh....nothing? |
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09:50:39 | aliask | What's the name of it, it might have changed number |
09:50:56 | JdGordon | electrical engineering :p |
09:51:10 | aliask | scorche: Well, at least you meet my minimum standard of living, you have the internet :) |
09:51:15 | aliask | Anyway, afk dinner |
09:57:31 | * | Llorean wishes that Flyspray had a "split" function like the forums. |
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10:14:46 | webguest20 | Hehehe. There's a long thread in the UI forum about the 'left to WPS' feature. It's not implemented because it's not very consistent and because it would increase code size. And that despite of the fact that many voted for it. And then some obscure features (like the ~ in settings names) - which also increase code size - are implemented 'just so.' Where is the logic/consistency? :-) |
10:15:07 | Llorean | webguest20: That one immediately got unimplemented, if you notice. |
10:15:40 | Llorean | It also added a NEW feature, rather than making a second button do the exact same thing as a button already did, anyway. |
10:15:59 | Llorean | So, there's the logic for you, if you need it. |
10:16:33 | JdGordon | also, everyone who has commit access is dead against that option :p |
10:16:46 | Llorean | There might be one or two for it. |
10:16:51 | Llorean | I haven't polled them all. |
10:17:30 | sneakums | A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds. |
10:17:50 | Llorean | sneakums: Is that relevant? |
10:19:40 | sneakums | Just a roundabout way of remarking that rockbox development doesn't let rigid consistency trump the merit of individual choices. |
10:19:45 | tanq | emerson or thoreau... i can't remmeber which |
10:20:08 | sneakums | emerson, iirc |
10:20:22 | Llorean | sneakums: There are some cases of rampant consistency though, but it's usually well backed up. |
10:20:29 | webguest20 | Llorean: what I meant is that code size doesn't seem to play a role when deciding whether a feature should be implemented |
10:20:35 | midkay | JdGordon: why'd you remove it!! |
10:20:46 | sneakums | code size is one factor |
10:20:55 | sneakums | if it were the only factor, rockbox would have zero lines of code and do nothing |
10:21:01 | JdGordon | midkay: because, Llorean came up with an equally as good option |
10:21:12 | JdGordon | .. which didnt incur the code soze cost |
10:21:13 | JdGordon | brb |
10:21:22 | midkay | oh. haha. |
10:21:34 | midkay | i just read the first like 4 words of your 10-word-or-so commit message. |
10:21:40 | midkay | *feels dumb* |
10:22:16 | Llorean | midkay: Yeah, I came up with a solution that was essentially one line of code. ;) |
10:22:27 | Llorean | webguest20: Code size VS what it adds is the issue. |
10:22:57 | Llorean | webguest20: When "what it adds" is "Making the UI inconsistent with the desired scheme, and makes a button do something there's already a button for" it really doesn't add much positive for any code size |
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10:23:31 | midkay | Llorean: pretty good solution indeed. :) |
10:23:40 | midkay | time for bed, night. |
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10:24:23 | ^BeN^ | hey alll |
10:24:26 | Llorean | midkay: Every now and then I have a good idea. With the amount of rubbish I spout it has to happen eventually. |
10:24:44 | JdGordon | haha |
10:24:46 | midkay | haha. |
10:24:56 | midkay | you silly.. :) |
10:25:04 | * | midkay really leaves this time. |
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10:26:30 | * | Paprica says hey :) |
10:26:32 | Llorean | webguest20: Anyway, when you consider the fact that we've solved both the "Resume on startup can cause hearing damage for people who forget to set the volume" problem with just a single line of code, as well as introducing a lot of useful functionality, I'd say this feature fits very well with the size vs added functionality ratio. |
10:27:12 | webguest20 | Llorean: but if there's an upper bound on size (because of some devices) then, at some point, features should be rejected regardless of whether/how useful they are |
10:27:23 | Llorean | webguest20: We've already past the upper bound. |
10:27:34 | Llorean | There's no fixed limit, but there is a goal. |
10:27:45 | Llorean | Features can be added if they're considered to be worth enough vs the size cost. |
10:27:54 | GodEater | and there's always the option of removing less well loved features in order to get new ones in |
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10:28:19 | Llorean | But "making a button do something another button already does" doesn't technically *add* anything. |
10:28:29 | webguest20 | Llorean: there's no limit? And waht about the old archos? |
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10:28:44 | Llorean | Rombox doesn't work on it any more, because we've gone past that size. |
10:28:51 | JdGordon | is this the request to make left go back to the wps if your in the root dir? or top level of the menu? |
10:28:52 | Llorean | That's the goal |
10:28:57 | JdGordon | or is there more to it? |
10:29:01 | Llorean | JdGordon: Left-to-WPS |
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10:29:17 | JdGordon | from anywhere in the tree/menu? |
10:29:20 | Llorean | webguest20: The goal is to get Rombox working again, but if it becomes necessary to say 'it will never work again' that can happen. |
10:29:22 | Llorean | JdGordon: Root |
10:29:42 | bluebrother | why left-to-wps? |
10:29:57 | Llorean | bluebrother: Because people can't be bothered to press the play button to get to the WPS. |
10:29:58 | webguest20 | JdGordon: only when music is playing. Since then the file browser is sort of like of menu. Which is left by pressing LEFT (pun intended) |
10:30:06 | bluebrother | doesn't make sense to me ... better use play-to-wps from the menu |
10:30:18 | Llorean | webguest20: The thing is, the filetree is NOT a menu. You don't leave it. It's the lowest level. |
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10:30:45 | bluebrother | and make the menu close with the same button that opens it, not left. |
10:31:00 | JdGordon | Llorean: I hate to say it... but to do his in the tree adds 2 lines of code |
10:31:14 | webguest20 | Llorean: here we go again :-) We'd better stop it now |
10:31:14 | JdGordon | well... 4, but two are just { and } |
10:31:48 | bluebrother | JdGordon: can't you just omit the { }? :) |
10:31:57 | webguest20 | JdGordon: you'll need more lines since there must be an option to activate this. |
10:32:00 | JdGordon | webguest20: is there a patch in the thread? |
10:32:12 | JdGordon | bluebrother: haha no |
10:32:26 | Llorean | JdGordon: Two lines of code to repeat the functionality of the play button though |
10:32:34 | Mikachu | why does everything need an option? |
10:32:35 | Llorean | Two lines that also break the existing screen hierarchy |
10:32:42 | webguest20 | JdGordon: I don't know but I guess there's a patch in FS. |
10:32:48 | * | JdGordon not taking sides.. |
10:32:50 | Llorean | Basically, "two lines to do something the core devs are likely to be against even if it cost 0 lines" |
10:32:52 | bluebrother | oh, so the two lines are inside of the brackets? ;-) |
10:32:57 | JdGordon | just saying it could feasibly be done in almost no code |
10:33:03 | JdGordon | bluebrother: yes |
10:33:41 | Llorean | Yeah, it can be done with little code. |
10:33:45 | Llorean | But it HAS to have an option. |
10:33:52 | bluebrother | I'd love to have the menu more consitent ... |
10:33:54 | Llorean | Because left-to-wps makes it much more difficult for blind users. |
10:34:13 | JdGordon | bluebrother: im working on the menu now... it will have play to go to wps like the tree |
10:34:13 | webguest20 | Mikachu: because some people (e.g. visually impaired) wouldn't like it at all |
10:34:20 | * | bluebrother votes against left-to-wps |
10:34:31 | webguest20 | Ok, EOT for me |
10:34:33 | markun | webguest20: wouldn't a root menu be more logical then the WPS at the root? |
10:34:34 | bluebrother | nice ... |
10:35:14 | JdGordon | markun: you mean a menu with the wps, tre, menu, rec screen, fm as options? |
10:35:19 | markun | JdGordon: yes |
10:35:25 | markun | and settings |
10:35:29 | webguest20 | markun: EOT, request rejected :-) |
10:35:40 | markun | webguest20: it's not really a request :) |
10:35:47 | markun | as I can code it myself |
10:35:58 | JdGordon | that sound reasonable... |
10:36:18 | bluebrother | while not having such a root menu looks a bit strange at the fist look I like it better to control that stuff using buttons and not having one |
10:36:31 | Llorean | markun: The general idea right now is that Rockbox is filetree based, and the tree is the lowest level. |
10:36:42 | JdGordon | highest level... |
10:36:51 | markun | We've talked about it a few times. I think amiconn was ok if we made it possible to go to one of the items by default (like we do with the recording screen already) |
10:36:59 | JdGordon | you go down into the options and other screens :p |
10:37:13 | Llorean | JdGordon: The other screens are on top of the filetree, that's why you can see them, and not it since it's beneath. :-P |
10:37:22 | markun | Llorean: I'll try to find the logs then |
10:37:31 | bluebrother | we should indeed remove the recording screen at startup and replace it with a arbitrary screen at startup option |
10:37:32 | JdGordon | its coz your in the northern emisphere :D its all backwards |
10:37:51 | * | Mikachu throws a snowball at JdGordon |
10:38:10 | JdGordon | ... it melts before hitting me |
10:38:17 | * | bluebrother is also in the northern hemisphere and all looks the right way around |
10:38:22 | Llorean | bluebrother: I can agree with that one. And remove "Resume on Startup" since that's basically "WPS" |
10:38:53 | bluebrother | haven't thought of that, but that's logical. Setting Resume on startup is wps :) |
10:38:55 | webguest20 | bluebrother: IIRC there's a patch for this in FS |
10:39:00 | Bagder | we should "flatten" the code for the screens first |
10:39:20 | bluebrother | webguest20: I know, but that's not in the core ;-) |
10:39:21 | Llorean | Still, I think there should be a "final" screen that Left takes you to. |
10:39:26 | Llorean | And it should be a screen upon which Left does nothing. |
10:39:27 | Mikachu | as long as you don't remove the functionality to resume at startup |
10:39:47 | Llorean | Mikachu: Just choosing "WPS" as your startup screen would include resuming, I should hope, since you shouldn't see WPS without playback |
10:39:47 | JdGordon | Bagder: how do you mean flatten? |
10:40:02 | bluebrother | something like "startup screen": wps (resume playback) |
10:40:21 | Bagder | JdGordon: basically going to all screens from the same switch(), so that going to another means setting a variable and returning to the loop |
10:40:29 | JdGordon | ah, yes |
10:40:30 | webguest20 | bluebrother: what do you mean by 'core'? |
10:40:50 | Bagder | then we could jump between any two screens with no fuss |
10:40:53 | JdGordon | atm dirbrowse() handles the whole thing... thats the place to start hacking.. whoever is up for it :p |
10:40:55 | bluebrother | btw, I played around with the runtime screen on the weekend as I always was annoyed it doesn't show as much information as possible |
10:40:59 | Mikachu | webguest20: not in a plugin |
10:41:00 | bluebrother | in terms of space |
10:41:24 | JdGordon | bluebrother: what else would you like on the screen? |
10:41:26 | Llorean | Even with flattened code, you still need a "final" screen. With left-to-wps, you'll always have the issue for blind users. |
10:41:27 | bluebrother | the only problem when showing all is that you can't reset the values using select. |
10:42:15 | bluebrother | JdGordon: I modified the screen to better adapt to multi screen players and show both top time and current time if there is enough room |
10:42:20 | webguest20 | Mikachu: why should that be in a plugin? IIRC, the patch did replace two options (resume/record on startup) with just one |
10:42:23 | JdGordon | bluebrother: is that screen spoken at all? |
10:42:30 | Mikachu | webguest20: i was just explaining what core means |
10:42:31 | bluebrother | I don't think so |
10:42:38 | bluebrother | but I haven't tried |
10:43:08 | JdGordon | maybe if its spoken, both options could be put in a list (with height 2), and pressing off on the selected item resets it.. |
10:43:09 | markun | Llorean: wouldn't the root menu be the final screen? |
10:43:21 | JdGordon | nice and easy, very painful for the lind tho if its not spoken |
10:43:46 | Llorean | markun: A root menu would work fine. It just needs to be, in my opinion, as screen where "Left" doesn't do anything. A stopping point, essentially. |
10:44:01 | * | JdGordon likes the idea of a start screen... but it needs a catchy line for the title :p |
10:44:04 | bluebrother | I tried using gui_synclist but failed to regularly update the current time entry |
10:44:07 | JdGordon | "welcome to rockbox" is lame |
10:44:22 | bluebrother | "now rock this box" :P |
10:44:28 | markun | Llorean: sorry, I fail to see what the problem is. Are you proposing some other screen could be the root as well? |
10:44:45 | Llorean | markun: There's a large population that wants the WPS to be the leftmost screen. |
10:44:51 | Llorean | Which is what sparked this whole discussion. |
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10:45:22 | markun | Llorean: ok, I get it now |
10:45:38 | markun | and menu would bring you to the 'root' menu then from the WPS? |
10:46:03 | Llorean | Well, right now, all they want is left to go to WPS from the filetree. |
10:46:21 | Bagder | ... new svn version is released |
10:46:30 | linuxstb | IMO, it doesn't make sense for the WPS to be the left-most screen because it's only displayed when music is playing - unless that's changed of course. |
10:46:35 | bluebrother | I still think we should make it logical, not the way everyone expects it because its unlogical in about all other players |
10:46:51 | markun | Llorean: I could ask in the thread what they think about the root menu idea and if they still would want the WPS to be the root |
10:47:19 | Llorean | markun: The argument for it is that Left is a lot easier to press than the Play button. |
10:47:32 | Llorean | Or whatever button "Resumes" playback |
10:47:34 | markun | w1ll14m|away: I see your idea got implemented after all :) |
10:47:40 | JdGordon | the problem with a rot menu is that the play button would be used for it.. so its at least 2 presses to get from the tree to the wps, instead of one now |
10:47:55 | Llorean | linuxstb: Left would resume in the cases music is stopped, supposedly. =/ |
10:48:15 | bluebrother | Bagder: I just noticed a "mailing list etiquette" link right below the "mailing lists" menu entry on the svn homepage. Maybe adding something to rb would be helpful too? |
10:48:17 | markun | JdGordon: yes, that's a drawback, but I think navigation would be much more consistent |
10:48:38 | Bagder | bluebrother: a good idea |
10:49:12 | Llorean | JdGordon: Why wouldn't Play still resume playback? |
10:49:25 | Llorean | You could always get back to the root menu by pressing "Menu" |
10:49:42 | JdGordon | ah, well thats true |
10:50:41 | markun | Llorean: do you think the items in the root menu should remeber their positions? ie if you go to the root from the filebrowser with MENU and you go back to the filebrower you will end up in the same dir or the root? |
10:51:34 | JdGordon | probably remember |
10:51:39 | JdGordon | not the menu tho... |
10:51:50 | * | JdGordon would like the plugin browser in the root menu also |
10:52:04 | Llorean | markun: I think it's only important that the last place you were remember its position. |
10:52:16 | markun | JdGordon: yes, I don't think it belongs in the settings menu |
10:52:21 | Llorean | From anywhere "Menu" would summon the root menu screen, and pressing it again would banish it (in case you bumped it) restoring you to where you were |
10:52:26 | amiconn | Llorean: Left == resume would be highly illogical... |
10:52:40 | Llorean | amiconn: I agree wholeheartedly. I just stated that it's what the left-to-wps hordes want |
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10:52:59 | JdGordon | Llorean: not so easy, menus cant remember their position.. without some trickery anyway |
10:53:08 | markun | morning amiconn |
10:54:07 | markun | JdGordon: I don't think it will be too difficult |
10:54:52 | JdGordon | ah, dw.. yeah, i just looked at my menu changes, and static'ing 3 3 variables would be enough to do it |
10:54:54 | amiconn | Llorean: Also, if you say Left would resume if music is stopped - what would happen if there is no resume position?? |
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10:55:14 | JdGordon | amiconn: same as now "nothing lo resume" |
10:55:19 | JdGordon | s/lo/to |
10:55:21 | markun | amiconn: they probably want a empty WPS screen then :) |
10:55:31 | Mikachu | while procrastinating screen |
10:56:20 | webguest20 | I must chime in :-) IMHO, left-to-WPS should only work if music is playing. Since then the file browser is like a menu. If there's no playback, the file browser is the main screen. Left should NOT start playback. |
10:56:43 | markun | webguest20: no, the root menu will be the main screen :) |
10:57:05 | amiconn | Left to wps is illogical imo, and it makes navigation harder for the blind |
10:57:27 | JdGordon | ... if this happens, please give the wps item a better name.. |
10:57:37 | amiconn | webguest20: With your approach, navigation structure would change depending on playback state |
10:59:16 | safetydan | amiconn, I haven't worked on langv2 cleanup lately, but I was just about to start looking at it again |
10:59:37 | webguest20 | amiconn: yes. But it's the same when bringing up the menu. When the music is not playing, you go to the file browser when you're leaving the menu. And when it's playing, you go to the WPS. |
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11:00:13 | webguest20 | amiconn: and if the browser is called from the WPS I feel like calling a menu. That's my whole point. |
11:00:16 | Llorean | webguest20: Actually, that's not true |
11:00:27 | Llorean | webguest20: If you enter the menu from the filetree while music is playing, you return to the filetree |
11:01:12 | markun | JdGordon: what I also would like (but it will probably not be easy) is to be able to go to the root menu from a running plugin, add a few songs to the playlist and then go back.. |
11:01:15 | webguest20 | Llorean: and if from WPS while music is playing? Then you go to WPS. |
11:01:42 | Llorean | webguest20: Yes, because you called the menu from the WPS. |
11:01:51 | amiconn | webguest20: That's not true. Leaving the menu always brings you back where you came from. |
11:01:57 | amiconn | That's not a structure change |
11:01:59 | Llorean | There is the filetree, then you call the WPS, then you call the Menu, so clearly each is on top of the one before. |
11:02:12 | JdGordon | markun: that is possible now... but the plugin needs to be changed to a tsr slightly |
11:02:22 | Mikachu | it's hard to guess that the wps is on top of the filetree from just using rockbox |
11:02:24 | Mikachu | it could just as well be on the side |
11:02:51 | Bagder | bluebrother: now check the top of the rockbox mailing list page |
11:03:05 | markun | Yes, I also visualise the WPS and filetree as running side by side |
11:03:35 | webguest20 | Ok, I see. But I still feel like calling menu when I bring up the file browser from WPS. I have to change my mind. |
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11:03:51 | JdGordon | we win :D |
11:03:59 | Llorean | I don't even know what that last sentence meant... |
11:04:01 | scorche | what's new? |
11:04:23 | markun | scorche: just the same old discussions :) |
11:04:34 | scorche | yeah....what's new... |
11:04:58 | scorche | now we just need someone to bring up malloc |
11:05:00 | markun | depends on how long you have been away |
11:05:08 | linuxstb | I've never liked the "select" button exiting the WPS back to the file browser though - which is why I don't think people think of it as exiting. |
11:05:09 | scorche | about 5 days? |
11:05:11 | Mikachu | free(scorche); |
11:05:20 | markun | linuxstb: it doesn't on the gigabeat :) |
11:05:30 | Mikachu | there's not many others to choose from on the ipod |
11:05:38 | markun | there we have 1 button to switch between WPS and filebrowser |
11:05:43 | linuxstb | It's NAVI on the irivers IIRC. |
11:05:50 | markun | select is used for pause in the WPS |
11:06:45 | Llorean | JdGordon: Responded in the thread. |
11:06:59 | JdGordon | your quick :p |
11:07:42 | JdGordon | may as well bring the discussion here.. |
11:07:44 | amiconn | linuxstb: It's not on the archos recorders and player either :P |
11:07:57 | linuxstb | So it's just the h1x0 and ipods... |
11:08:02 | linuxstb | (and h3x0) |
11:08:05 | JdGordon | anyone apposed to a defaults.cfg being loaded if config.cfg is not present... or a settings reset was called ? |
11:08:10 | amiconn | They use ON to toggle between browser and wps |
11:08:28 | linuxstb | So who chose NAVI for the irivers? |
11:08:30 | tanq | how long should rockbox take to create a database for 30+gig of music |
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11:08:47 | Llorean | Basically, here's the pitch: |
11:09:02 | tanq | ever since I tried to intialize the database it has never worked.. it always says not ready. |
11:09:16 | linuxstb | tanq: Have you shutdown and restarted? |
11:09:19 | Llorean | When Rockbox is first booted, if config.cfg does not exist it loads defaults.cfg |
11:09:21 | tanq | several times.. |
11:09:25 | Llorean | defaults.cfg is also loaded if settings are cleared |
11:09:43 | linuxstb | So what if a user breaks their default.cfg ? |
11:09:45 | Llorean | This allows easy-to-package target-specific defaults, as well as a user being able to store a "known good" setting in case they choose to clear settings later, so that a clear isn't a full wipe |
11:09:56 | LinusN | i like it |
11:09:59 | Llorean | If default.cfg is removed, you get the current hard-coded non-target-specific defaults |
11:10:08 | Mikachu | what if the default.cfg exists but gives a bad config? |
11:10:18 | linuxstb | But isn't the ability to load any .cfg file good enough for users restoring "known good" settings? |
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11:10:35 | Llorean | linuxstb: Well, it's more or less meant to be an easy method to package target-specific settings. |
11:10:40 | Llorean | It just has an added bonus of that. |
11:10:58 | linuxstb | I can't see what target-specific settings we would want, apart from font. |
11:11:10 | amiconn | Why default.cfg when we need built-in defaults anyway? |
11:11:11 | linuxstb | And then if the user breaks default.cfg, they lose the target-specific defaults. |
11:12:21 | amiconn | I don't see why the built-in defaults can't be target specific |
11:12:26 | Llorean | They can be. |
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11:12:49 | JdGordon | Llorean: doing this would incur a disk spinup if settings are reset... |
11:12:56 | JdGordon | unless dircache is on |
11:12:59 | Llorean | I just kinda liked the idea of packaging them separate and giving the user the option to have settings they can reset to. |
11:13:14 | Llorean | JdGordon: I'd wager 99% of resets occur at bootup |
11:13:23 | linuxstb | But a user has always been able to save settings to a .cfg for restoring to. |
11:13:36 | JdGordon | then defaults.cfg should only be run at boot, and not a regulr reset |
11:13:48 | Llorean | I wouldn't mind that. |
11:14:00 | Mikachu | it's at boot up you would want to reset to hardcoded settings, if default.cfg is broken |
11:14:03 | Llorean | But then really a user *can* just click a .cfg file |
11:14:20 | linuxstb | It just seems to be getting too complex - we have the "real" config.cfg, a file for persistent settings, and now a default cfg, plus the built-in defaults... |
11:14:37 | Llorean | linuxstb: I came up with the idea before suggesting fixed.cfg |
11:14:53 | Llorean | Really it doesn't have too much use. |
11:15:17 | JdGordon | both are fairly obscure features :p |
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11:16:04 | Llorean | Honestly, now that it's been talked about, it's one of my ideas I'm not so much in favour of. :) |
11:16:21 | linuxstb | I still prefer the suggestion of a max_volume_on_boot setting, as that's the only setting people have asked to be persistent, and means users can set it easily via the UI, rather than editing a text file. |
11:16:25 | Llorean | Also, I've a headache after trying to explain the concept of keeping patches to a single task to FS #6095 |
11:16:38 | * | Bagder agress on the max_volume_on_boot setting |
11:16:48 | Llorean | Bagder: The fixed.cfg covers that though. |
11:17:01 | linuxstb | Yes, but inconveniently. |
11:17:03 | Bagder | yeah, but not with a gui |
11:17:05 | Llorean | That's true. |
11:17:21 | Bagder | and not with a max, it would be a fixed |
11:17:29 | Llorean | I remember someone asking about having shuffle be able to have a default boot setting as well. |
11:17:34 | Llorean | And I think the idle poweroff. |
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11:18:27 | linuxstb | I'm not against having a fixed.cfg, but I don't think it's a nice solution for the more commonly requested max volume. |
11:18:40 | Llorean | I don't think it's an ideal solution. |
11:19:21 | JdGordon | i think its cleaner than actually adding the code to handle a boot volume setting |
11:19:24 | Llorean | You could just have a "Volume on Boot" option rather than 'max' and save that *to* fixed.cfg |
11:19:46 | Mikachu | that if anything sounds like a hack |
11:19:59 | JdGordon | very much so |
11:20:08 | tucoz | bluebrother: i do not have a patch at hand, but what do you think about changing the 'built with \LaTeX' to either 'built with 'pdf\LaTeX' or '\TeX4ht' depending on pdf/html. |
11:20:14 | Llorean | I've a headache and it's late, be nice. :-P |
11:20:14 | safetydan | yo, Bagder, how come this http://pastebin.ca/327881 snippet doesn't work? It just results in $feat on the command line to genlang? |
11:20:59 | tucoz | bluebrother: as strictly speaking, the manual is not built wit \LaTeX |
11:21:42 | Bagder | safetydan: try adding a \ on the "done;" line so that they are executed in the same shell context |
11:21:43 | bluebrother | tucoz: strictly speaking you are right. Don't know if there is a \TeX4ht macro ... |
11:21:51 | Bagder | hm |
11:22:04 | bluebrother | but feel free to adjust it. I just wanted to have the build version somewhere |
11:22:13 | Bagder | ... but you then need to change the $(call) thing too I guess |
11:23:08 | tucoz | bluebrother: there isn't a \TeX4ht macro, but there is a \TeX one. I'll try it out when i get home. |
11:23:32 | bluebrother | seems my home machine broke down again, so I can't test either |
11:23:48 | bluebrother | damn hardware |
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11:26:48 | safetydan | Bagder, doesn't quite work |
11:26:51 | safetydan | /bin/sh: @perl: not found |
11:27:36 | Bagder | safetydan: try it like this: http://pastebin.ca/327888 |
11:29:39 | Llorean | bluebrother: If my understanding of what you're talking about is correct, simply finishing the move of rockbox.target into /.rockbox solves that anyway |
11:30:40 | safetydan | Bagder, seems to work. I'll do some more testing. |
11:32:45 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I would possibly prefer the default file view setting to be "all files" - to try to make it clearer to newcomers that they are in a file browser. |
11:33:08 | linuxstb | Especially as lots of the newer targets hide music in hidden/system folders. |
11:34:26 | GodEater | yes - that "Where's all my music gone?" question is getting fairly common |
11:34:55 | GodEater | closely followed by "Why isn't rockbox working?" from the users presented with the empty filetree |
11:36:51 | JdGordon | bluebrother: your revision number script not working? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8420.0 |
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11:41:00 | Zagor | I think the whole "wps is root" misunderstanding could be mitigated by adding a drawing to the 3.1.5 section of the manual. |
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11:42:06 | JdGordon | na.... noone reads the manual... |
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11:42:13 | bluebrother | JdGordon: it should work, but it depends on the way the build is made ... |
11:42:25 | JdGordon | they certainly dont open it before starting rockbox for the first time |
11:42:50 | Zagor | JdGordon: then we'll add it as a banner on every forum page :) |
11:42:50 | bluebrother | Bagder: how are the daily build run? From a clean svn checkout? Seems to have problems with svnversion.hs |
11:43:40 | * | scorche loathes the "i see contacts, calendars, etc page and rockbox doesnt do anything when i click it! plz hlp!" posts |
11:44:02 | bluebrother | if not, adding a file docs/VERSION with the only text "daily" should help marking it clearly as daily build |
11:44:26 | linuxstb | scorche: So what do you think about chaniging the default view to "all files" ? At least then they'll see .rockbox and rockbox.ipod (as well as iPod_Control). |
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11:44:37 | Zagor | I still think it'd help a lot of people though. Many people just browse the manual and don't read about the basic concepts. |
11:44:44 | Zagor | Also, we'd have a good rtfm link |
11:44:53 | scorche | linuxstb: honestly, i dont think it will make a difference |
11:45:16 | linuxstb | Sadly you may be right... |
11:45:17 | scorche | although, it could clear up some other beginning questions people have.. |
11:45:36 | bluebrother | ah, reminds me: the playlist catalog always shows file extensions, even if the choosen view doesn't shows them |
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11:48:17 | JdGordon | the root menu is the easiest solution to all these problems |
11:48:19 | * | linuxstb remembers the "show path" option in the file browser, and thinks this should show something in the root - and be on by default. |
11:49:04 | bluebrother | just show "/" in the root? |
11:49:40 | JdGordon | something more would be nicer... |
11:49:43 | linuxstb | I was thinking something like "<Root Folder>" |
11:49:55 | Zagor | JdGordon: why would a root menu help? people will likely still think wps is the "normal" display and the root menu is just another menu |
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11:50:18 | Mikachu | if you do, please say directory instead of folder :) |
11:50:27 | linuxstb | :) |
11:50:37 | linuxstb | We're trying to help newcomers here... |
11:50:43 | safetydan | How many bytes are we from rombox working? |
11:50:45 | JdGordon | Zagor: umm... well.. hmm... maybe not |
11:50:55 | JdGordon | safetydan: 30k iirc |
11:51:02 | safetydan | oh |
11:51:05 | safetydan | right |
11:51:21 | safetydan | Guess 200 bytes isn't anywhere near enough then |
11:51:30 | Zagor | personally I think a clear illustration helps more than a root menu |
11:51:30 | JdGordon | no, 2800 |
11:51:38 | JdGordon | UCLPACK rombox |
11:51:39 | JdGordon | Output is 2892 bytes larger than max (233456) |
11:52:04 | scorche | for which target though? |
11:52:11 | JdGordon | recorder |
11:52:13 | Mikachu | you're not including the startup logo .bmp in rombox right? |
11:52:24 | linuxstb | Yes, the logo's included. |
11:52:32 | amiconn | JdGordon: Not 30k |
11:52:41 | scorche | hmph...does FM recorder even show a xxxx bytes larger then max? |
11:52:44 | Mikachu | isn't that a bit silly if there's a size constraint? |
11:52:51 | amiconn | 3K on plain recorder, and iirc ~10K on fm/v2 |
11:53:01 | scorche | amiconn: he meant 3.0k, im sure ;) |
11:53:07 | linuxstb | Mikachu: It's only 1-bit mono. |
11:53:08 | markun | linuxstb: I think NAVI on the irivers was chosen because that's what the OF used |
11:53:23 | * | JdGordon got confuslsed... 30kb is before compression is needed |
11:53:23 | Mikachu | ah, only a kilobyte or so then |
11:53:24 | markun | but we shouldn't have :) |
11:53:38 | Mikachu | the nano logo is 28kB |
11:53:41 | amiconn | scorche: No it doesn't show this for fm/v2, because the linker errors out before |
11:53:55 | amiconn | Mikachu: Less than a kilobyte |
11:54:16 | amiconn | A full-screen bitmap on archos is 896 bytes - and the logo isn't fullscreen |
11:54:41 | amiconn | (112*64/8) |
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12:00:19 | safetydan | we could also gain 256 bytes back if we change the cut/copy/paste to work the way bluebrother suggested weeks ago |
12:00:32 | safetydan | at least I think I was bluebrother anyway |
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12:03:13 | safetydan | UCLPACK rombox |
12:03:14 | safetydan | Output is 2120 bytes larger than max (233456) |
12:03:16 | safetydan | getting there |
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12:04:17 | amiconn | safetydan: A little less than 10K on fm/v2 |
12:04:47 | amiconn | (and now I know the limit where the linker itself starts complaining) |
12:05:36 | amiconn | The linker will complain if already the section start is out of bounds, but not if only the end spills over |
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12:06:10 | amiconn | The .iramcopy section is 3280 bytes (on fm/v2 and v1), so that's the limit |
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12:07:11 | Bagder | bluebrother: yes, the daily builds run in a plain svn updated repo |
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12:07:59 | Bagder | oh |
12:08:18 | Bagder | hm, no I have symlinks to the dirs from the dir where the script runs |
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12:13:02 | bluebrother | Bagder: maybe add docs/VERSION and simply put "daily" in that file? Then the version information will get "daily-<YYMMDD>" |
12:13:15 | Soap | I see we had a visitor mention the Japan Harvest (black diamond) edition of Pink Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon. Should rockbox handle the de-emphasis needed for such early CDs? |
12:13:46 | Bagder | bluebrother: I'd rather see the rev number there too, I'll try to make something work |
12:14:14 | Zagor | why must the daily look different from the bleeding anyway? |
12:14:30 | Bagder | I see no reason |
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12:14:57 | bluebrother | I don't see a reason, but I though maybe that would be nice to indicate it as daily. |
12:15:02 | Bagder | but the svn builds are built within a "real" svn checked-out source root, while the dailies are not |
12:15:04 | preglow | Soap: what, for mp3s, you mean? |
12:15:28 | Soap | mp3s / FLACs, whatever format, yes. |
12:15:43 | Soap | files created from early CDs |
12:16:11 | preglow | well, how would we know they need deemphasis? |
12:16:11 | markun | Soap: I think the DAC in the irivers had an option to use deemphasis |
12:16:16 | Soap | or would that ammount to a multi-band software EQ? |
12:16:17 | preglow | afaik, only mp3 can flag that it is needed |
12:16:36 | preglow | deemphasis is a pretty simple 2nd order iir filter, afaik |
12:16:43 | Soap | preglow: not that rockbox would do it automaticly, but a user switch. |
12:16:44 | preglow | comparable to one eq band |
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12:17:02 | Mikachu | i thought the daily builds just copied the latest svn build of the day |
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12:17:22 | Bagder | Mikachu: nopes |
12:17:39 | Bagder | although we should perhaps consider doing that instead |
12:18:23 | Bagder | although building on a single host makes some things a bit more controlled |
12:18:27 | Zagor | how about the best of the latest builds? |
12:18:39 | Zagor | as measured by the build table |
12:18:57 | Bagder | I don't think the score is a good way to indicate good builds |
12:19:24 | preglow | hahaha |
12:19:32 | preglow | it sure isn't |
12:19:42 | Soap | cue sheets can support a flag called "pre" which labels a track as having preemphasis. |
12:19:56 | Zagor | it would at least avoid making daily builds out of someones "oops" commit |
12:20:04 | Bagder | true |
12:20:09 | preglow | Soap: yes |
12:20:24 | Bagder | Zagor: but would make lots of more tricky logic for the script |
12:20:54 | Zagor | would it? |
12:21:08 | Bagder | yes, for example they are built on different hosts |
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12:21:26 | Bagder | and the score isn't stored anywhere but only kept in a html table |
12:21:33 | linuxstb | Soap: It seems flac stores the pre-emphasis bit in the CUESHEET metadata block - which Rockbox doesn't read (but obviously could). |
12:21:50 | preglow | doing a quick google for filter specifics, but can't find any |
12:21:55 | Zagor | well *that* isn't too hard to change. just make a score<rev>.txt in the output dir or something |
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12:22:45 | Bagder | yes, sure but I still rather not go in that direction |
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12:23:16 | Zagor | I can understand that. Lots of fuss for something that's not really a problem we have. |
12:24:09 | tanq | Where is the database structure documented? |
12:24:25 | markun | Bagder: what should the diff show when you change the property of a dir with svn? |
12:24:39 | Bagder | nothing I think |
12:24:42 | tanq | i'm not having any luck so i figured i'd create one and copy it to my ipod |
12:25:00 | markun | also, I don't think it should trigger a new compile round |
12:25:12 | Bagder | tanq: try tools/songdb.pl |
12:25:23 | linuxstb | Or tools/database.c |
12:25:31 | Bagder | markun: I know, lots of things shouldn't but still does |
12:25:45 | markun | Bagder: ok, sorry :) |
12:25:55 | Bagder | :-) no worries |
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12:26:11 | Zagor | does a prop change create a new revision? |
12:26:17 | markun | yes |
12:26:25 | Bagder | I'll welcome a script that detects changes to trigger new builds |
12:26:39 | Bagder | that excludes property changes and certain dirs |
12:27:01 | Bagder | atm, a new revision will trigger a rebuild |
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12:27:17 | iCAPS | hey |
12:27:22 | iCAPS | anyone alive ? |
12:27:31 | iwantanimac | yeah |
12:28:09 | iCAPS | can u help me please? |
12:28:25 | iCAPS | i have an ibm thinkpad with an hitachi hdd |
12:28:32 | iCAPS | and i cannot unlock it |
12:28:33 | Bagder | welcome to #rockbox |
12:28:33 | iCAPS | :( |
12:28:37 | Bagder | we speak rockbox here |
12:28:39 | hab | as seen as in wiki, arm-elf-gcc would be version 4.0.2 Isnt't there a more recent one ? |
12:28:56 | Bagder | hab: 4.0.3 is what rockboxdev.sh builds |
12:29:01 | markun | iCAPS: you are not the first one to come here with that question |
12:29:10 | hab | concerning http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform |
12:29:13 | markun | but I don't think many people here can help |
12:29:14 | iCAPS | yeah i know ... |
12:29:15 | linuxstb | hab: With gcc, more recent doesn't always mean better. |
12:29:24 | hab | thanks |
12:29:44 | iCAPS | im now on the laptop im staying with Suse Live 9.1 |
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12:30:20 | Bagder | iCAPS: that is sooo out of topic for this channel |
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12:32:20 | pondlife | Bagder: As per the channel topic - would it be good to put the SVN revision into the updates table? And make the filenames use the same size font as the other columns? |
12:32:58 | Bagder | we decided the rev wasn't really desired in the table. and the filenames are smaller to fit better |
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12:33:15 | pondlife | OK |
12:33:45 | Bagder | you can still see the rev on the diff links by reading the url they poitn to |
12:34:14 | pondlife | Yep. |
12:34:27 | pondlife | The wiki pages still refer to CVS build on the left hand menu... |
12:34:51 | Bagder | pondlife: then press 'refresh cache' |
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12:35:08 | pondlife | It's not my cache |
12:35:21 | Mikachu | he didn't mean your cache either |
12:35:23 | Bagder | the link in the bottom of each wiki page |
12:35:35 | pondlife | Aha |
12:35:58 | Mikachu | maybe you should run that for the whole wiki on the server |
12:36:13 | Bagder | yeah, Zagor do you know how/if that can be done? |
12:36:19 | pondlife | OK, what about http://www.rockbox.org/download/ |
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12:36:57 | jba | hey gang |
12:37:01 | jba | i've been away a whi;e |
12:37:05 | pondlife | and http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
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12:37:38 | markun | hi jba |
12:37:57 | pondlife | ...and finally http://www.rockbox.org/irc/ |
12:38:20 | jba | hi markun how goes? |
12:39:06 | markun | jba: life's still a bit chaotic, but I'm getting used to Paris a bit now |
12:40:06 | jba | same for me at the new job |
12:40:14 | Mikachu | Bagder: you could grab a list of links from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebTopicList and replace view with fresh, then access all of them |
12:40:20 | jba | i saw a couple of commits from you recently? |
12:40:25 | Mikachu | which i guess would be better to do locally |
12:42:25 | markun | jba: yes, I thought I would be unable to work from here, but I'm spending more time in #rockbox then ever :) |
12:42:48 | jba | so JdGordon are those settings changes stablized now? |
12:42:55 | jba | markun, what you working on? |
12:43:35 | jba | i've noticed that large trying to scroll through an 800 song database created playlist hangs my gigabeat, alot |
12:43:57 | markun | jba: good to know |
12:44:10 | pondlife | I'm trying to see how much current the Iriver H340 OF draws for USB charging. Anyone know how to get USB charging and connection at the same time in the OF? |
12:44:13 | jba | yeah |
12:45:16 | safetydan | Well after just a bit of poking, recorder is on 1828 bytes from having a working rombox |
12:45:22 | pondlife | It draws ~100mA when connected, with "USB charging" disabled... |
12:46:05 | markun | jba: when font caching is used it takes a lot more CPU to print a line of text |
12:46:23 | markun | maybe we can optimize it. You are not the first person to have problems with it. |
12:46:27 | jba | markun, i don't know |
12:46:53 | Mikachu | aren't caches usually meant to make things faster? |
12:46:59 | jba | i think it's cause the disk is doing some disk access before i start to scroll, then when i scroll it locks with the disc access icon on, and the playlist showing |
12:46:59 | Zagor | we could simply clear the cache. that would get rid of the old/wrong pages |
12:47:01 | jba | i have to hard reboot to fix it |
12:47:15 | LinusN | Zagor: already done |
12:47:16 | markun | Mikachu: this cache is only used to reduce memory consumption |
12:47:21 | Zagor | ok |
12:47:24 | Zagor | I have to go out sleepwalking a bit. bbl. |
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12:47:32 | jba | markun, have noticed also the next button takes a while to respond |
12:47:38 | jba | sometimes as much as 1 second |
12:47:42 | markun | jba: ah, the skips don't go away? |
12:47:43 | jba | or has that been fixed in the last week |
12:48:04 | Mikachu | LinusN: that Index link is pretty slow to refresh cache |
12:48:10 | jba | i have beep on, and i hit next, and asecond later i hear a beep and it cross fades out |
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12:48:44 | LinusN | Mikachu: i can imagine that |
12:48:51 | markun | jba: what happens with crossfade disabled? |
12:48:54 | Mikachu | Number of topics: 1199 |
12:49:11 | jba | i can't listen to music with crossfade disabled :) |
12:49:11 | LinusN | we should really have a Wiki cleanup week |
12:49:18 | jba | but I'll try without for a week or so |
12:49:20 | Mikachu | it indexes all users as well... |
12:49:32 | Mikachu | i was just thinking maybe it's a bit of a DoS if someone sits and clicks the refresh link |
12:50:10 | Bagder | it is |
12:50:38 | Bagder | which is why we deny search bots to use the refresh ;-) |
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12:54:50 | Mikachu | i don't know if the page itself is that much more useful than the one with just the page titles |
12:55:02 | Mikachu | (which is much faster to refresh) |
12:56:06 | iwantanimac | exactly what does pressing up or down on the View Audio Cache menu do? It seems to skip tracks or something... why? |
12:57:15 | Mikachu | debugging purposes? |
12:57:34 | iwantanimac | more specifically... |
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12:57:43 | Mikachu | seeing what happens to the cache when you skip a track |
12:58:05 | iwantanimac | hm... that seems reasonable. |
12:58:36 | safetydan | If someone wants to look in to lang string cleanup, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6574 |
12:58:39 | safetydan | and with that |
12:58:40 | safetydan | good night |
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12:58:44 | Mikachu | it takes too long to navigate there after skipping in the wps |
12:58:56 | iwantanimac | yeah. |
12:59:18 | markun | jba: no, just try it one time to see if it's related to the delayed beep |
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13:19:24 | markun | jba: can it be that your bootloader and rockbox are out of sync? Try to update both |
13:19:38 | markun | I have no problems with laggin playback and skipping |
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13:24:23 | iwantanimac | seeya guys. |
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13:25:24 | markun | does anyone have a suggestion for a nice way to make rockbox not turn off my gigabeat when the battery is disconnected but the charger is inserted? |
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13:38:02 | JdGordon | any variable that is static const affects the bin size right? |
13:39:25 | JdGordon | amiconn: LinusN: others: ^ ? |
13:39:33 | LinusN | yes |
13:39:45 | JdGordon | then I have an idea to shave rediculous amounts.. |
13:39:50 | LinusN | how? |
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13:40:10 | JdGordon | the STR() macro stores both the string and int... when only one is actually needed |
13:40:33 | JdGordon | change that to only store the string, then add the 2 lines of code needed to get the int for the talking |
13:41:24 | JdGordon | if i knew how to get grep to skip a folder id figure out how often that macro is used |
13:43:30 | GodEater | anyone around to check the accuracy of the reply I've made here : http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8421.0 ? |
13:43:33 | bluebrother | use find and then grep on that output? |
13:43:53 | LinusN | find . -name "*.c" | xargs grep -i "STR(" |
13:44:13 | GodEater | although why it's posted in the compiling forum is beyond me |
13:44:17 | LinusN | -i was quite unnecessary |
13:44:47 | JdGordon | 184 times |
13:45:19 | JdGordon | oh poo... only 736 bytes then |
13:45:25 | * | JdGordon thought that macro was used far more often |
13:46:10 | Bagder | GodEater: it is correct |
13:46:34 | GodEater | I don't know enough about the Sansa port to answer his other question though |
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13:46:56 | Bagder | it sounds like a more generic bug |
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13:49:49 | GodEater | can I ask what the reasoning behind providing a daily build for sansa is? It's very clearly not ready for public consumption. |
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13:50:46 | GodEater | I only ask since my perception is that users see the daily builds as the list of "ready" platforms that we support |
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13:51:17 | JdGordon | why do we bother with the daily builds? why not just always keep the last svn build that worked for each target? |
13:51:33 | GodEater | that's the second time I forgot to call someone sir and they left.... |
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14:00:08 | preglow | JdGordon: as long as they're only arbitrarily picked anyway, i don't know |
14:00:22 | preglow | can't say i see much of a point |
14:01:00 | Bagder | mostly because they are built with the same gcc versions every day by the same server |
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14:02:40 | preglow | does that matter much? have we ever had problems with compilers making builds that don't work? |
14:03:01 | Bagder | yes, just a week ago or so we did |
14:03:45 | Bagder | but I wouldn't say it matter _much_ |
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14:05:22 | preglow | okies |
14:11:01 | amiconn | JdGordon: How would you find the id from the string? |
14:11:23 | JdGordon | the P2ID macro |
14:11:35 | JdGordon | returns -1 if its not a translated string |
14:12:06 | JdGordon | digging a bit, the menu uses this, its the options screen which needs both the pointer and the id |
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14:30:28 | JdGordon | damn the current menu system has heas of wasted code |
14:31:21 | amiconn | P2ID works different from what you might think |
14:31:27 | JdGordon | nothing uses menu_moveup/down |
14:31:29 | JdGordon | oh? |
14:32:08 | JdGordon | ... and only the radio screen uses menu_insert/delete (once each) |
14:32:57 | JdGordon | ... dunno what put_cursorxy() is used for.. its never called either |
14:35:47 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe it could work... |
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14:40:07 | JdGordon | amiconn: it seems only the setting screens use this.. so it will be taken care of once settings are tabulated fully, so no need to worry about it now i guess |
14:40:57 | * | JdGordon hopes to have the menu code ready tomorow so they can start bein moved |
14:41:20 | amiconn | The talk ids are not only used by the settings |
14:41:48 | JdGordon | no, the STR macro is |
14:41:49 | amiconn | A few other places use them as well, but maybe they use them directly |
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15:00:41 | bananafly | hello |
15:00:53 | bananafly | I have a problem installing rockbox on my ipod |
15:01:16 | bananafly | When i start it it says "Rockbox error -5" and boots the apple firmware |
15:01:45 | GodEater | I thought the ipod boot loader had friendlier messages in it now ? |
15:02:44 | GodEater | -5 is "bad checksum" though - which means you should try downloading a new SVN build |
15:02:52 | GodEater | and unzip it to your player again |
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15:03:14 | bananafly | hm, I'll try that |
15:03:27 | Bagder | GodEater: I don't think we've updated the bootloaders on the dl site since that msg fix |
15:03:38 | GodEater | that would explain it then :) |
15:03:48 | Mikachu | and not everyone monitors that page |
15:04:42 | Bagder | well, since he's installing now he probably downloaded the bootloader rather recently |
15:05:38 | Mikachu | i suppose that is true :) |
15:06:15 | bananafly | Yay :) |
15:06:18 | bananafly | It worked |
15:06:28 | bananafly | Thanks ^ |
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15:23:48 | barrywardell | Bagder: did you get my message about the lack of daily build links for the Sansa? |
15:24:24 | Bagder | hm |
15:24:44 | barrywardell | I'm referring to 'old' daily builds |
15:25:55 | Bagder | yes, I see it |
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15:27:02 | * | Bagder changes the daily build links to use fixed URLs |
15:27:49 | * | barrywardell thanks Bagder |
15:27:58 | daurnimator | hi all |
15:28:25 | daurnimator | sup Bagder |
15:28:34 | Bagder | ah, I see the error |
15:28:52 | Bagder | the '200' is believed to be the start of the date |
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15:31:49 | Bagder | working now |
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15:47:40 | rockseeker | hello folks |
15:47:57 | GodEater | hello |
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15:52:16 | rockseeker | where can i find the list of known bugs of rockbox for ipod nano first-gen ? |
15:53:39 | GodEater | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=2 |
15:54:00 | rockseeker | thanks |
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15:58:42 | GodEater | the RB website appears to be becoming more and more difficult to navigate. |
15:59:04 | GodEater | I'm assuming I'm not alone in being able to see the "bug reports" link ? |
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16:06:04 | amiconn | GodEater: It's in the side menu as usual... |
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16:07:32 | pixie | I have an iPod video, and whenever I go into a directory, example music/pixie/ and start playing something, I can never get back to the root directory |
16:07:44 | pixie | It will stay in pixie/ and loop between now playing pixie/ and menu |
16:07:53 | pixie | Is there no way to go back to the root directory? |
16:08:51 | amiconn | Use Left in the browser to go up |
16:09:33 | pixie | It won't go up directories |
16:09:35 | pixie | Only menus |
16:09:53 | pixie | Right now I'm stuck in music/home/kulashaker, and whenever I use left I just either go back to now playing or a menu |
16:10:04 | pixie | If I use left I will not go back to music/home for example |
16:10:48 | markun | pixie: did you always have that problem? |
16:10:48 | amiconn | ? |
16:10:51 | pixie | Yes |
16:10:58 | pixie | I never figured it out |
16:11:00 | markun | using the official build? |
16:11:08 | pixie | Before I start playing a song I can browse between the directories just fine |
16:11:09 | amiconn | Sounds like you use an unsupported build... |
16:11:16 | pixie | But as soon as I actually get into a playlist, I can't browse |
16:12:35 | pixie | Like now, it's in now playing, if I go back it will restart the track, if I go menu it will go into the menu, but if I go left from there it will only go back into now playing again |
16:13:03 | * | amiconn suggests reading the manual |
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16:13:20 | markun | pixie: yes, everything you describe sounds normal so far |
16:13:36 | pixie | amiconn: I *did* read the manual |
16:13:49 | pixie | And I seriously cannot figure out how to get back into the door directory |
16:13:52 | markun | pixie: what is the button to go to the file tree from the WPS? |
16:13:53 | pixie | er |
16:13:53 | pixie | root* |
16:15:15 | markun | pixie: well? |
16:15:32 | pixie | markun: from the WPS the only way to do anything is go from WPS to menu to playlist |
16:15:41 | pixie | Or it will just loop between WPS and playlist |
16:15:55 | pixie | er, wps and menu |
16:16:09 | markun | what happens if you press select? |
16:16:25 | pixie | Ohhhh. |
16:16:42 | markun | little hint: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-390004.3 |
16:17:10 | pixie | Select does it :). Never noticed that |
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16:18:33 | markun | pixie: do you have any suggestions how the manual could be improved so other users will find it? |
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16:19:56 | markun | good day perl|work |
16:19:58 | pixie | Add that long select has to be done in the 'while playing'-window, and that it will go back to the file tree |
16:20:24 | perl|work | hows it going markun |
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16:21:14 | perl|work | markun hows paris treating you |
16:21:15 | markun | pixie: add it where? |
16:21:21 | markun | perl|work: getting better :) |
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16:21:37 | pixie | markun: 4.1.1 File browse controls |
16:21:39 | perl|work | where did you find the place btw? |
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16:24:32 | pixelma | pixie: it is in the wps key controls table - isn't that the better place? |
16:24:36 | markun | perl|work: a friend of a coworker |
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16:26:45 | pixie | pixelma: It's not in the wps key controls table? |
16:27:15 | pixelma | hmm? It is... |
16:28:42 | markun | pixie: I just sent you the link |
16:29:02 | markun | otherwise I also wouldn't have known it was select (as I don't have an ipod) |
16:29:38 | Mikachu | there are only 5 buttons, you know what 4 of them do, is it really so hard to guess? :) |
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16:32:09 | markun | I was expecting that :) |
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16:57:06 | webguest23 | I have a simple wps syntax question. I'm loading a created Progress bar: %P|pbar.bmp| but pbar.bmp shows up on my lcd. Am I missing something? |
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17:02:06 | pixelma | do you use a clean svn-version of rockbox or a patched one? |
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17:08:50 | webguest23 | Acutally I don't know. I'm using the sim from rasher |
17:09:07 | webguest23 | for the GBeat |
17:09:18 | webguest23 | on WinXP |
17:11:11 | bluebrother | is that tag on a line of its own? |
17:11:25 | webguest23 | yes sir |
17:11:42 | pixelma | also... where did you store your pbar.bmp? |
17:11:47 | bluebrother | hmm. You could also try if the filename shows up also on a different sim |
17:12:24 | webguest23 | wps\HI name of wps is HI.wps |
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17:14:09 | gtkspert | Does anyone know that the last four weeks link in the commit's on the rockbox webpage doesnt work? |
17:14:09 | webguest23 | ah, here's something interesting. I had another progress bar bmp in the same folder. switched the name and it shows up correctly. |
17:14:21 | pixelma | sounds right then - I'm running out of ideas... I can only imagine a type somewhere |
17:14:28 | webguest23 | maybe there's something wrong with the bmp that I wanted to use. |
17:14:39 | webguest23 | thanks for the input |
17:14:55 | GodEater | gtkspert: we do now |
17:15:17 | gtkspert | Good o :) |
17:15:19 | pixelma | webguest23: that could be possible as well |
17:15:32 | GodEater | think Bagder or Zagor will have to fix it though |
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17:15:48 | gtkspert | the other links arent working either, but it's no bother really, i just noticed :) |
17:19:35 | webguest23 | I've noticed a bug with the GB port. Reg'd with Flyspray a few days ago and never got the responding email. Is that registration form still working after the website issues last week? |
17:20:03 | perl|work | webguest23 what kind of bug? |
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17:20:59 | webguest23 | when viewing a plylst, long select a file, file options, properties: produces a: data abort at 0004somenumber |
17:21:29 | markun | webguest23: viewing a plylst = playing some music? |
17:21:37 | n1s | webguest23: aah, yes the playlist viewer uses the plugin buffer as does properties |
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17:21:42 | webguest23 | have the newest bootloader and 1/24 bld |
17:22:00 | webguest23 | playing music or not |
17:22:09 | n1s | properties has to be disabled in the playlist viewer. |
17:23:36 | webguest23 | as stated earlier, i want to report the bug but can't quite reg with the Flyspray form. |
17:23:41 | rockseeker | before installing ipod bootloader, the ipod must be in disk mode? (with the procedure select-menu - select-hold) ? |
17:23:54 | webguest23 | Markun, this is Nate from mygigabeat |
17:24:27 | n1s | webguest23: I'll report it in the tracker, but don't know why you didn't get the mail. |
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17:26:05 | markun | webguest23: I guessed that :) |
17:26:11 | webguest23 | nls: thnx |
17:28:24 | n1s | webguest23: do you remember the number after Data Abort? |
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17:29:22 | webguest23 | nls: 00049340 |
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17:30:31 | GodEater | rockseeker: yes - that will work |
17:31:19 | GodEater | rockseeker - but you need to do slightly different button pushes, it's Select+Menu to reboot, and then immediately Select+Play. |
17:31:22 | n1s | webguest23: does it look ok? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6577 |
17:31:58 | rockseeker | GodEater, after Select+Play the ipod show to me the "disk mode". then i can install rockbox bootloader |
17:32:08 | GodEater | correct |
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17:32:26 | linuxboy | hi |
17:32:27 | GodEater | rockseeker - PLEASE make sure you follow the manual properly. Don't try to "skim" it |
17:32:35 | webguest23 | nls: exactly, thnx |
17:32:55 | linuxboy | is anybody actually working on the nano 2G port? |
17:33:06 | GodEater | linuxboy: No. |
17:33:07 | rockseeker | i read twice the procedure, for max secure i ask on the channel :) |
17:33:25 | linuxboy | GodEater: damn |
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17:41:08 | pixelma | bluebrother: can I ask you some questions about compiling the manual and latex? |
17:41:41 | rockseeker | anyone is trying rockbox on ipod nano 1g? |
17:42:30 | webguest23 | Markun: So, is there a way to compile the latest build for a sim useable on XP? ;) |
17:43:11 | markun | webguest23: don't ask me.. |
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17:44:47 | linuxstb_ | rockseeker: Lots of people use it on the Nano. |
17:44:53 | rockseeker | how much is stable? |
17:45:17 | linuxstb_ | Try it and judge for yourself, but I don't think there are any major issues. |
17:45:39 | linuxstb_ | Apart from if you try and make the CPU do too many things at the same time... But that affects all ipods. |
17:45:48 | GodEater | if you don't think it's stable enough, it's very easy to revert back to the OF. You don't even need to uninstall rockbox. |
17:46:10 | linuxstb_ | rockseeker: What do you expect to get from Rockbox? |
17:46:12 | webguest23 | markun: as in "you don't know", or "get away you're botherin me kid" |
17:46:35 | rockseeker | linuxstb: to read a lot of kind of formats |
17:46:43 | rockseeker | not only mp3 and wma |
17:46:48 | rockseeker | and the rest |
17:46:53 | rockseeker | i have a lot of .ogg |
17:46:56 | GodEater | webguest23: it's heavily documented in the wiki as to how to set up a dev environment |
17:47:07 | n1s | wma isn't supported... |
17:47:07 | GodEater | there are two choices for XP - cygwin, or the vmware image |
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17:47:34 | GodEater | webguest23: we recommend the vmware image |
17:48:00 | markun | webguest23: don't know :) |
17:48:09 | webguest23 | godeater: I have the vmware env setup. I compiled the newest sim bld and was trying to use it on xp. |
17:48:28 | GodEater | the sim should run from within the vmware image |
17:48:35 | GodEater | if that's where you built it |
17:49:45 | webguest23 | godeater: I read the docs on running it within, and i get something about: no display devicedebian/user/.rockbox/sim |
17:50:07 | GodEater | lemme try it - one sec |
17:50:07 | webguest23 | that is: when i run rockboxui |
17:50:21 | * | GodEater really wanted to go to the pub.... |
17:53:17 | GodEater | can you paste the exact error you get then please ? |
17:53:22 | GodEater | works fine here |
17:53:46 | webguest23 | godeater: sure, setting things up now |
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17:55:53 | bluebrother | pixelma: sure |
17:56:10 | bluebrother | I just was out for some minutes ;-) |
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17:56:42 | Hdaackda | hi |
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17:58:28 | pixelma | bluebrother: ... first: since svn (I think) I noticed that compiling the manual (pdf) is processed twice. I'm just wondering why |
17:59:18 | bluebrother | the manual needs to be processed twice because of the references. Latex can't generate the references in the first run as it doesn't know the pages |
17:59:30 | bluebrother | but that has been present before as its typical to latex |
17:59:56 | pixelma | ok.. then I didn't notice before for some reason |
18:00 |
18:00:22 | bluebrother | if there are labels that have changed latex produces a warning, and the makefile will then re-run it |
18:01:17 | Hdaackda | A couple of questions 1). Can the playlist display title names instead of filenames? (2) Can it be induced to add only *.mp3 files etc? (instead of mp4 which rockbox cant play) |
18:02:11 | pixelma | my second question is - I wanted to compile an html-version (compiling under cygwin) and it complained about "htlatex command not found". What do I need to install or do to make it work? |
18:02:26 | bluebrother | Hdaackda: 1. no |
18:02:42 | Hdaackda | and i guess 2. is no too |
18:02:42 | webguest23 | godeater: there are a few errors: the final error: fatal: No available video device |
18:02:46 | bluebrother | 2. Rockbox should be able playing mp4 |
18:02:59 | Hdaackda | mp4 (video files). cant |
18:03:01 | bluebrother | at least afaik. Probably not on your player |
18:03:12 | bluebrother | ah, when referring to video files it can't. Right. |
18:03:16 | GodEater | webguest23: let me check something |
18:03:30 | bluebrother | I was referring to mp4 audio. Err, mixed it up with aac |
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18:04:09 | bluebrother | pixelma: I don't know if there is a package for cygwin but you need htlatex or tex4ht |
18:04:21 | pondlife | Anyone here know anything about the H300 PCF50606 pin assignments? I know LinusN did some tracing and disassembly, but there is some confusion in the wiki. |
18:04:30 | bluebrother | tex4ht is the name of the package, htlatex the command used |
18:05:19 | GodEater | webguest23: where are you launching the rockboxui from ? |
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18:05:52 | Hdaackda | can anyone make the playlist display titles instead of filenames? or give me an idea, mayb i can do it? (i know zilch bout coding...) |
18:05:53 | stevenm | Hey guys. Has anyone seen that 'music quiz' game on the ipod stock firmware? |
18:05:59 | webguest23 | godeater: from within the created "sim" dir, within vmware/debian |
18:06:13 | GodEater | yes - but which terminal window ? |
18:06:28 | webguest23 | oh sorry: eterm |
18:06:32 | GodEater | hmm |
18:06:50 | GodEater | can you type "echo $DISPLAY" |
18:07:29 | pixelma | bluebrother: thanks, will search for it.... last but not least - can I prevent a few lines from breaking so that they don't appear on two pages in the pdf? |
18:07:37 | webguest23 | :0.0 |
18:07:55 | GodEater | I'm stumped then - that's exactly what I have - and it works perfectly here |
18:08:05 | GodEater | I'm assuming you chose SDL mode ? |
18:08:13 | GodEater | when you did ../tools/configure ? |
18:08:17 | webguest23 | yes |
18:08:38 | GodEater | think you might have to ask the vmware image maintainer then - I've no clue why that doesn't work for you |
18:09:40 | webguest23 | the errors that scroll by before the fatal err say: connection toXlib: ":0.0" refused by server |
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18:10:14 | webguest23 | Xlib: No protocol specified |
18:10:19 | rockseeker | rockboxed :D |
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18:12:43 | linuxstb_ | webguest23: Silly question, but is X running? |
18:12:46 | bluebrother | you can put words in an mbox so they don't get broken. |
18:13:03 | bluebrother | but there is also another option ... I need to look that up. |
18:14:04 | webguest23 | linuxstb_:I have to apologize in advance, I'm new to the linux env. How do I check that from the vmware/debian setup? |
18:14:46 | pixelma | bluebrother: to be precise.. it is an enumeration |
18:15:05 | tchan | :0.0 errors occur in an X env when the app being run was started by someone with the wrong user permission. i.e. a user started X, but now root is trying to run a gui app or vice-versa |
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18:15:25 | linuxstb_ | I've never used the Rockbox vmware image, but does it include X? |
18:15:32 | Mikachu | tchan: (you can "fix" that by giving them access to the correct .Xauthority file) |
18:15:32 | linuxstb_ | And is X started by default? |
18:16:02 | webguest23 | tchan: so should I su to root and run rockboxui |
18:16:24 | bluebrother | pixelma: gtg now. I'll look into it later |
18:16:28 | Mikachu | webguest23: do you have a graphical environment or just white text on black background? |
18:16:45 | pixelma | bluebrother: alright - thank you :) |
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18:17:31 | webguest23 | mikachu: I haven't made any changes to the debian env. (I don't know how or what to change.) |
18:17:44 | Mikachu | okay, can you answer the question? |
18:18:10 | webguest23 | just followed the wiki on setting up the vmware/debian, so I think it's just the white letters on the black background |
18:18:14 | webguest23 | from eterm that is. |
18:18:20 | foolsh | startx then |
18:19:12 | foolsh | soory but can anyone else access the http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html or is it down? |
18:20:22 | n1s | foolsh: no it doesn't work |
18:20:25 | JPMaximilian | foolsh: thats down for me too |
18:20:44 | rockseeker | bye! |
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18:21:08 | webguest23 | foolsh: ran that and get the connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
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18:21:34 | webguest23 | along with other errs: invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
18:22:12 | stevenm | as the user who has access to X, type 'xhost +' |
18:22:23 | webguest23 | oh, xinit: no such process (errno 3): Server error |
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18:23:45 | webguest23 | stevenm: how do i know who has access to X? I su to root or exit and try as user and get the same errs |
18:24:16 | stevenm | webguest23, sorry, havent been following. How is X started? root types startx ? |
18:25:38 | goffa | interesting |
18:25:42 | goffa | http://hardocp.com/news.html?news=MjM3NTMsLCxobmV3cywsLDE= |
18:26:16 | webguest23 | stevenm: wait, I think I might have misspoke earlier. I think X is started. When using the vmware env |
18:26:32 | webguest23 | X starts and you compile using an eterm window |
18:27:06 | webguest23 | I think X starts: I get a cool Rockbox background, then I left click to run eterm |
18:27:19 | foolsh | webguest23: that is x |
18:27:51 | webguest23 | foosh: yeah, apologizes to everyone, just pulled my head from my rear. |
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18:28:14 | webguest23 | original problem: can't run the sim after compiling. |
18:29:06 | webguest23 | from ../tools/configure choose 40 for GB, and S for sim, then S for SDL |
18:29:17 | foolsh | webguest: I've never used the vm image but do you cd ~/rockbox/build and then ./rockboxui? or do you double click the icon? |
18:29:23 | webguest23 | run make thn make install as described in wiki |
18:30:01 | webguest23 | cd ~/rockbox/sim/rockboxui |
18:30:21 | webguest23 | sorry run from ~/rockbox/sim/ |
18:30:43 | Mikachu | try running this and then try |
18:30:52 | Mikachu | export XAUTHORITY=~/.Xauthority |
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18:32:16 | webguest23 | mikachu: finally! thanks, that was it. |
18:32:46 | webguest23 | so that gave the user "user" access to X? |
18:34:09 | Mikachu | you could say that |
18:34:19 | Mikachu | for some reason eterm threw away the environment |
18:36:52 | webguest23 | Now, copying from xp to the debian vm: I get access denied. Is there a doc on allowing access between the host and vm? |
18:39:22 | foolsh | webguest: where is the folder located you are trying to copy to? on the vmmachine |
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18:40:05 | foolsh | i.e /dev, /etc, /home/user/share |
18:40:13 | webguest23 | foolsh: on the host which is xp pro |
18:40:42 | foolsh | copying from vmware to xp right? |
18:40:49 | webguest23 | xp to vmware |
18:41:21 | webguest23 | trying to move sample music and wps stuff over to the vm to test with the sim. |
18:41:53 | foolsh | can you but the files in a shared folder in xp and access them from vm? |
18:41:57 | foolsh | put* |
18:42:57 | * | foolsh thinks webguest should just install debian |
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18:43:37 | * | foolsh thinks webguest might be scared of gnu/linux now though |
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18:44:44 | foolsh | I don't know what kind of software the vmimage has installed by default |
18:44:52 | foolsh | is samba installed? |
18:48:53 | foolsh | webguest23 you still there? |
18:49:16 | webguest23 | sorry, lookd away for a sec. |
18:49:32 | linuxstb_ | Yes, I think samba is installed, so from Windows you can browse \\debian\user |
18:50:48 | foolsh | to me it sounds like the user folder doen't allow changes other than from owner |
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18:51:26 | webguest23 | yes, samba is loaded, cuz from win I have to use the address: \\x.x.x.x\user |
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18:52:01 | webguest23 | and I see the folders |
18:53:34 | foolsh | but you can't right click create new folder or copy files and so on |
18:53:44 | webguest23 | right. |
18:53:56 | webguest23 | that's when I get access denied. |
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18:55:47 | Aaron3 | Is it possible to have Rockbox to make a random shuffle of songs that are only Flac files? |
18:55:49 | webguest23 | k: I read a little further in another wiki. from debian, as root, I changed permissions to 777. |
18:56:01 | webguest23 | now I can copy to and from. |
18:56:20 | webguest23 | thank you to everyone for all of the help! Sincerely. |
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18:57:03 | brenton_ | Hello. I am having a bit of trouble installing rockbox on mygigabeat. |
18:57:37 | foolsh | Hackerproof@ |
18:57:44 | brenton_ | I unzipped the folder to the root directory, and replaced the boot file, but it's still loading normally. |
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18:59:03 | webguest23 | brenton: did you unplug ac adapter and turn the battery switch off and on? Then restart. |
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18:59:24 | foolsh | got kick off |
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18:59:41 | brenton_ | Twice |
19:00 |
19:00:03 | brenton_ | oh |
19:00:05 | brenton_ | no |
19:00:10 | brenton_ | not the battery switch. >.< |
19:00:56 | webguest23 | foolsh: did you see that everything works now? |
19:00:59 | brenton_ | ah hah. |
19:01:02 | brenton_ | that was it. |
19:01:07 | brenton_ | thanks. :D |
19:01:18 | webguest23 | brenton: have fun customizing! |
19:01:29 | brenton_ | Will do. :) |
19:01:47 | * | foolsh sees part of his passwrd too now i'll have to change it again O_o |
19:02:05 | hcs | fair warning to all living and dead: I'm about to attempt to commit the NSF patch |
19:02:38 | * | tucoz runs for cover |
19:02:56 | foolsh | Need For Speed? patch |
19:03:05 | hcs | Need Sor Feed? |
19:03:13 | hcs | Spoor feed, maybe |
19:03:21 | foolsh | way past my bedtime again |
19:03:33 | tucoz | pixelma, did you try the \mbox{text} command? |
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19:04:07 | tucoz | hcs, is it a new codec or a plugin? |
19:04:08 | pixelma | no not yet |
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19:04:25 | hcs | tucoz: codec |
19:04:30 | tucoz | cool |
19:04:43 | tucoz | pixelma: http://www.eng.cam.ac.uk/help/tpl/textprocessing/teTeX/latex/latex2e-html/ltx-265.html |
19:04:44 | webguest23 | Thanks again to everyone for their help. I'm out: have to play with my wps. |
19:04:57 | tucoz | it is said that it prevents lines from being broken |
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19:05:36 | pixelma | tucoz: I'll try |
19:06:02 | tucoz | otherwise, the guys over at #latex are usually friendly in case you run into problems |
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19:06:39 | pixelma | ah... that's a nice hint :) |
19:07:31 | hcs | doh, forgot to include the FS# of the patch |
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19:12:18 | brenton_ | xobox is addicting. |
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19:13:31 | n1s | hcs is it realtime on anything non gigabeat? |
19:13:37 | hcs | oh yeah |
19:13:51 | hcs | ipods, h120s |
19:13:58 | hcs | faster than MP3 on ipods |
19:14:03 | n1s | oooh, nice |
19:14:17 | * | n1s seaches for nsf's |
19:14:37 | hcs | it also supports NSFe, which has timing and playlist information embedded |
19:15:36 | hcs | hm, didn't realize that my name would just show up as "agashlin" |
19:15:43 | tucoz | is there a hvsc for nsf? |
19:15:51 | hcs | no, unfortunately |
19:16:02 | hcs | there is something similar, though, let me see if I can locate it |
19:16:04 | pondlife | hcs: It should really be your full name ;-) |
19:16:12 | n1s | hcs: Bagder probably forgot to add you to the translation table |
19:17:16 | pixelma | tucoz: \mbox doesn't seem to work if put around items |
19:17:41 | hcs | bah, warnings |
19:18:09 | tucoz | ok. hmm. but it should be possible to place for instance a \begin{itemize}...\end{itemize} within an environment |
19:18:19 | hcs | hmm, not in anything I did... |
19:18:27 | pixelma | hcs: I don't see no additional warnings |
19:18:28 | amiconn | Bagder: There's a username->realname mapping missing in the 'latest changes' script |
19:18:59 | pondlife | Quick! The employers are looking! |
19:19:16 | hcs | pixelma: I see some warnings switched between various sims |
19:19:26 | hcs | ipod sims, specifically |
19:19:32 | midgey | those are always there |
19:19:39 | hcs | ah, at random? |
19:20:00 | midgey | lostlogic's server does it |
19:20:01 | pondlife | lostlogic's build machine |
19:20:02 | pixelma | hcs: yes these are the onws that are compiled on two servers which are running a "broken GCC version |
19:20:09 | hcs | ok |
19:20:14 | pixelma | ones even |
19:20:33 | pixelma | tucoz: I tried that too |
19:20:33 | amiconn | lostlogic's build server has a bad snapshot version of gcc 4.1.2 |
19:20:48 | pondlife | Should be fixable in synth.c though...? |
19:20:53 | hcs | tucoz: http://megatwerp.com/akumusnsf/main.php |
19:21:00 | amiconn | It causes warnings for legitimate code |
19:21:16 | tucoz | hcs, thanks :) |
19:21:30 | amiconn | pondlife: Nope. Fixing those warnings for this "special" gcc 4.1.1 makes them appear for all other gcc versions |
19:21:40 | pondlife | Nice |
19:22:27 | hcs | tucoz: there was another archive I was thinking of that I'm still trying to track down |
19:22:40 | amiconn | And you can't even apply the workaround for this special gcc version only - it shares its version number with correctly working ones |
19:22:56 | hcs | tucoz: http://snesmusic.org/hoot/nsf/NSF%20Pack%20-%2026.11.06.rar (Knurek's pack) |
19:23:08 | pondlife | Does anyone have an idea why dircache causes the sims to fail? Random extra chars appear on the end of filenames. |
19:23:21 | amiconn | (both 4.1.1 release and newer 4.1.2 snapshot versions are correct, but all of them state 4.1.1) |
19:23:38 | hcs | tucoz: bah, slightly newer: http://snesmusic.org/hoot/nsf/NSF%20Pack%20-%2016.01.07.rar |
19:23:57 | tucoz | hcs, thanks again |
19:24:09 | * | tucoz is downloading loads of .nsf's |
19:24:20 | hcs | that's the one I have, nice and alphabetized |
19:24:27 | hcs | I really like the convenience of NSFe, though |
19:24:47 | tucoz | is that a program? |
19:24:56 | n1s | hcs: do they loop for ever like the sid's do? |
19:24:59 | hcs | it is an extension of the format |
19:25:13 | hcs | n1s: by default they play for 2 minutes and fade out (or silence is detected) |
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19:25:27 | hcs | when you enable "repeat one" they play forever |
19:25:43 | n1s | very nice, i hope someone will make the sid codec do the same... |
19:25:43 | hcs | they automatically advance tracks, as well |
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19:26:21 | hcs | I await the complaints of the masses |
19:28:43 | perl|work | yay nfs playback |
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19:30:02 | hcs | perl|work: that didn't sounds like much of a complaint |
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19:31:41 | pixelma | hcs: if Bagder fixes the appearance of you name in the table he also needs to correct the "Adam only" for Adam Boot (rotator)... |
19:31:49 | perl|work | yeah and i misspelled it from overexcitement |
19:31:53 | hcs | hm |
19:33:55 | hcs | aaaand the SVN build doesn't boot on my ipod color |
19:34:35 | hcs | it's that damned scaling, I always disable it in my own builds |
19:34:37 | n1s | hcs: my own build on h300 works fine here :-) |
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19:38:08 | hcs | I suggest some sonically impressive sets using expansion sound, like Madara, Gimmick, or Akumajou Densetsu |
19:39:10 | amiconn | Someone needs to fix the frequency scaling on PP5020 |
19:39:43 | hcs | I say disable it for now. Doesn't help substantially with battery life that I've heard of. |
19:39:49 | amiconn | Strangely enough it works on PP5021 and PP5022 though it's said that all 3 are register compatible |
19:40:40 | amiconn | If I had a PP5020 target I would try to fix it |
19:41:13 | amiconn | But I "only" have PP5022 |
19:41:16 | courtc | They are register compatible, but the pp5020 is slower than it's dirivatives. |
19:41:38 | amiconn | Really? |
19:42:08 | amiconn | Comparing boost ratios it seems the 5020, 5021 and 5022 are about equally fast at the same clock freq |
19:42:22 | hcs | maybe not stable switching to the high frewe |
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19:42:33 | amiconn | The PP5022 can be clocked higher according to the fact sheet |
19:42:53 | amiconn | The slow one is the PP5002 (broken cache implementation) |
19:43:28 | courtc | at 70mhz the pp5022 pumps out quite a bit more bogomips than the pp5020 |
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19:44:32 | amiconn | Does ipl use the extra iram? |
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19:44:55 | amiconn | (and does that affect those bogomips?) |
19:45:09 | byteshack | does rockbock support iPod 5.5 gen? |
19:45:26 | courtc | Not really, and no. |
19:45:49 | byteshack | courtc: is there a push on that front? |
19:45:58 | pixelma | byteshack: yes but only the 30GB models |
19:46:16 | byteshack | that's what I've got |
19:46:19 | byteshack | sweet |
19:46:20 | courtc | For ipl using more iram? Not really. |
19:46:28 | amiconn | The frontpage clearly states it... |
19:46:38 | pixelma | byteshack: those are already supported I mean - courtc is talking to another |
19:47:00 | byteshack | pixelma: thanks |
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19:47:20 | courtc | oh.. bla |
19:47:59 | byteshack | I'm a bit new to all this |
19:48:00 | hcs | is there an up to date prebuilt ipod bootloader on the site? |
19:48:14 | n1s | yes |
19:48:17 | byteshack | what is the advantage of rockbox over iPodLinux? |
19:48:35 | n1s | why don't you try it out? |
19:48:53 | byteshack | maybe not advantage, but difference? |
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19:49:21 | courtc | byteshack: it's not an advantage of one over the other... We have different goals. |
19:49:35 | n1s | byteshack: that's like asking whats the difference between an orange and a pie |
19:49:44 | hcs | personally I prefer pie |
19:49:47 | byteshack | do they use the same kernel? or is the diff on the UI? |
19:49:50 | hcs | is there an orange pie? |
19:50:04 | n1s | byteshack: no the rockbox kernel is custom |
19:50:16 | n1s | as in not linux |
19:50:22 | byteshack | ah |
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19:50:57 | byteshack | does that mean that apps are not interchangeable with iPodLinux? |
19:51:06 | n1s | correct |
19:51:10 | * | amiconn wonders why building the html manual doesn't work on his debian box |
19:51:25 | courtc | Unless someone ports them ;) |
19:51:45 | n1s | amiconn: does it have tex4ht installed? |
19:51:48 | courtc | *cough*, cube |
19:51:53 | amiconn | Yes, I just installed that |
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19:52:58 | * | n1s never tried building the html version... |
19:53:20 | byteshack | does rockbox play movies yet? |
19:53:29 | amiconn | n1s: It starts building, runs for a while, and then: |
19:53:54 | courtc | byteshack: you should read the site and forums :) |
19:54:26 | amiconn | http://pastebin.ca/328346 |
19:55:03 | amiconn | Building the manual throws truckloads of warnings... :( |
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19:55:29 | amiconn | The very first one is also strange (appears for all kinds of manual builds, sometimes twice): |
19:55:36 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6095 has so many patches now, surely one of them must fix the 5020 scaling ;-) |
19:56:03 | byteshack | :) the proverbial RTFM, fair enough... |
19:56:06 | hcs | my cpufreq3 does something |
19:56:12 | amiconn | make: /home/jens/rockbox/manual/platform/svnversion.sh: command not found |
19:56:21 | mattzz | same here |
19:56:57 | pondlife | hcs: Could there be multiple problems here - we're not going to find the second until we've patched the first...? |
19:57:03 | n1s | amiconn: I just installed tex4ht and tried a manual build with html and got the exact same error as you. (Ubuntu 64bit) |
19:57:15 | amiconn | This is debian 64 bit ... |
19:57:28 | hcs | speaking of FS, how can I go about getting FS #6122 closed now that it is committed? |
19:57:37 | amiconn | What about the svnversion.sh? |
19:57:57 | pondlife | hcs: Done |
19:58:01 | hcs | pondlife: potentially, cpufreq3 seems to fix the issue on color 4gs but not grayscale |
19:58:05 | hcs | pondlife: thanks |
19:58:08 | amiconn | Building the pdf does work in spite of this warning... |
19:58:24 | pondlife | You should get added to the FlySpray developers group though |
19:58:46 | pondlife | So, maybe the grayscale is a seperate issue. Does cpufreq3 make anything work worse? |
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19:59:12 | hcs | it uses a slightly lower nonboosted frequency |
19:59:24 | amiconn | 24MHz? |
19:59:26 | pondlife | I only have an H340 but would dearly love to see some of the iPod crash bugs closed! |
19:59:27 | hcs | yes |
19:59:50 | hcs | it's a different method for scaling, but seems to work... |
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20:00:05 | dan_a | It should be possible (according to MrH) to use a 33MHz clock without changing the PLL - but I've not managed to make that work |
20:00:15 | dan_a | hcs: I like your approach |
20:00:29 | hcs | I just wish it worked on the grayscales |
20:00:53 | hcs | less PLL reclocking is better, I'd think |
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20:01:20 | pondlife | So could it be committed in the absence of a better patch? Or is it likely to break something? |
20:01:21 | dan_a | Don't 4G greyscales and 4G colour/photos have the same processors? |
20:01:33 | hcs | that's what I thought |
20:01:45 | hcs | but I can't argue with the reports I'm getting |
20:02:17 | dan_a | I'll give it a try when I get home. I'm getting bitten by the same problem on the 3G now, too. |
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20:03:00 | hcs | oh, there is a potential issue, the channel switching |
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20:04:27 | hcs | which was observed with barrywardell's cpufreq4 as well, but reported occasionally with cpufreq3 |
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20:05:21 | pondlife | I've had occasional channel switches on H340 |
20:05:34 | pondlife | Or at least balance seems to go hard left. |
20:05:41 | pondlife | May be related? |
20:05:46 | hcs | maybe |
20:05:47 | pondlife | i.e. another issue? |
20:05:59 | dan_a | I get channel switching on the 3G whenever playback skips |
20:06:18 | pondlife | Without any cpyfreqx patch? |
20:06:45 | dan_a | That's with normal frequency scaling - I ought to check what happens when it is disabled |
20:06:49 | Mikachu | hcs: dunno if it's a problem with the .nsf or the codec but instead of Astérix, the title says Ast?rix |
20:07:15 | hcs | Mikachu: I know what you mean, but both acute es show up as ? here |
20:07:41 | Mikachu | do you know if nsf tags have a specified encoding or if it's arbitrary? |
20:07:51 | hcs | it's the .nsf using the extended ASCII character instead of unicode, I assume |
20:08:29 | hcs | and good choice with Asterix, btw |
20:08:42 | Mikachu | heh, i copied over all .nsfs i have, 700kB |
20:08:53 | Mikachu | does the plugin automatically switch songs after some minutes or endless play? |
20:09:04 | Mikachu | (and asterix came first, alphabetically) |
20:10:05 | hcs | it automatically switched after 2:00 |
20:10:08 | hcs | *switches |
20:10:12 | hcs | or detects silence |
20:10:13 | n1s | hcs: I hear some hig frequency "sqeaks" in some nsf's that I don't think is really part of the music (but I could be wrong) |
20:10:26 | hcs | n1s: yeah, it isn't nearly perfect |
20:10:38 | hcs | any one in particular? |
20:11:01 | hcs | Mikachu: you can enable endless play by setting repeat=one |
20:11:08 | Mikachu | ah, hack :) |
20:11:09 | n1s | I'm not sure, the wps got out of sync... |
20:11:27 | Mikachu | is the last second not a subtrack? it seems to skip to the next track when i try to play it |
20:11:28 | hcs | Mikachu: also you can seek tracks similarly to the SID codec |
20:11:35 | hcs | Mikachu: yeah, 0 based |
20:11:35 | XavierGr | who is the new commiter? |
20:11:44 | * | hcs raises hand |
20:12:00 | XavierGr | oh! Nice hope to see some good work then :P |
20:12:01 | hcs | n1s: what device do you have again? |
20:12:07 | n1s | h320 |
20:12:07 | Mikachu | hcs: the next song info doesn't seem to work, in case you haven't noticed |
20:12:15 | XavierGr | I will try to test this new codec now :D |
20:12:18 | hcs | Mikachu: yeah, metadata reading is only in the codec |
20:12:55 | hcs | n1s: so it doesn't seem to be inherent to the song? have you ever noticed anything like this in other codecs? |
20:13:47 | n1s | hcs: no, it seemed to be song specific, just for some reason the wps didn't update when the song changed so I'm not sure which one :-) |
20:14:10 | hcs | n1s: which game, then?> |
20:14:40 | n1s | one beginning on m, I started with megaman and let it play for a while :-) |
20:15:27 | hcs | hm, well when you find which one it is I'll check it out |
20:15:41 | pondlife | amiconn: Yes |
20:15:42 | n1s | Megami Tensei 1 is relly strange but I'm not sure if it's supposed to be... (not this problem) |
20:15:43 | hcs | the synthesis is done really cheaply... |
20:16:12 | amiconn | ? |
20:16:34 | pondlife | Sorry, replying to your PM by the only method I know..!! |
20:16:53 | pondlife | Miranda doesn't want to let me do the obvious |
20:17:38 | hcs | I've got an interview in a few minutes so I'll be AFK, I'll try to check up on bug reports and stuff when I return. |
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20:20:04 | tucoz | amiconn, there is a trouble shooting on this page for your error. http://www.tug.org/texlive/Contents/live/texlive/texmf-dist/doc/generic/tex4ht/mn41.html |
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20:20:47 | tucoz | amiconn, google found lots of references to that error, so it it probably possible to fix. |
20:20:52 | tucoz | bbl |
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20:30:22 | Mikachu | hm |
20:30:25 | Mikachu | my backlight doesn't turn off |
20:30:32 | Mikachu | it turns off if i set the setting to off |
20:30:43 | Mikachu | and if i turn on hold (i have it set to turn off backlight on hold) |
20:30:47 | * | Mikachu tries restarting rockbox |
20:31:41 | Mikachu | hm taht worked, nm then |
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21:17:43 | Llorean | midgey: Does your changing that task to Critical mean you confirm it happens that way? |
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21:27:04 | mattzz | is hosting .mi4/.rom files legal? |
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21:27:52 | Bagder | it's not crystal clear |
21:28:03 | * | mattzz got his Sansa back |
21:28:05 | Llorean | mattzz: It someone depends on what the people who originally created them decide. |
21:28:05 | Bagder | so that's why I host them myself and not rockbox.org |
21:28:26 | Llorean | The general feeling is that 'they probably won't object if they're completely unmodified' |
21:28:41 | Llorean | Maybe 'probably' should be 'hopefully' |
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21:28:56 | mattzz | I wanted to intercept my rom/mi4 update files and put them on my page - pretty risky |
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21:30:01 | mattzz | Bagder, I suspect your activities are being somehow monitored by Sansa? |
21:30:15 | Bagder | indeed |
21:30:29 | linuxstb_ | It would be pretty odd for Sandisk to complain after asking us to hack their players... |
21:30:40 | mattzz | hehe, true. |
21:30:46 | Bagder | but I host a lot of other mi4 files than just Sandisk's |
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21:31:40 | mattzz | on one hand rockbox is making their products more attractive, on the other hand those files are clearly not intended to be spread on the net |
21:31:49 | Mikachu | isn't it slightly odd to ask you to hack them instead of just giving you the source? |
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21:32:22 | mattzz | hacking/reverse engineering is not against the law in all countries. |
21:32:34 | mattzz | copying copyrighted files is. |
21:32:45 | mattzz | (IMHO) |
21:33:10 | Bagder | mattzz: those files are already available for free on the net |
21:33:18 | Bagder | that's why I host them |
21:33:26 | Llorean | Mikachu: Yeah, but they've got contracts keeping them from revealing the source to us. |
21:33:40 | mattzz | I only find the automatic updater exe on sansas pages nowadays |
21:33:57 | Llorean | Still, once the Sansa has sound it's going to be I think a very attractive player. |
21:34:05 | Mikachu | crazy byrocracy |
21:34:11 | Bagder | mattzz: right, but I don't host any of the mi4 files that tool gets, I believe |
21:34:36 | mattzz | Ah, so if I intercept some files from the autoupdater it could be risky? |
21:34:43 | Bagder | I doubt that |
21:34:46 | mattzz | (and put them on the net) |
21:35:07 | mattzz | I guess we have to find out ;-) |
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21:42:13 | mattzz | The updater simply puts both files in the root directory? nothing else? |
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21:44:13 | BiptoN | linuxstb_: i just added a patch for cpu scaling on the pp5020 ipod targets, task #6095 do you think you could test it on your color 4g sometime if you have a chance? |
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21:46:01 | mindframe | what does rockbox -2 mean on boot? |
21:46:07 | Bagder | mattzz: that's it I think |
21:46:25 | Bagder | at least that's what it/we did before the update tool |
21:46:37 | n1s | mindframe: checksum failed |
21:46:43 | hcs | BiptoN: I'll give it a go |
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21:46:49 | BiptoN | thanks |
21:46:59 | BiptoN | do you have a grayscale or color? |
21:47:03 | mindframe | checksum of the mbr image? |
21:47:04 | Bagder | hcs: congrats on your premier commit! ;-) |
21:47:12 | n1s | mindframe: iow your rockbox.whatever file is damaged |
21:47:12 | mattzz | Bagder, thanks. |
21:47:18 | hcs | Bagder: thanks! |
21:47:25 | mindframe | ok |
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21:47:53 | hcs | as I likely just miserably failed my interview with google that's probably the highlight of my day |
21:48:17 | * | n1s wishes the new bootloaders with verbose errors were completed and released soon ;-) |
21:48:37 | hcs | error: the kneebone is disconnected |
21:48:47 | n1s | exactly! |
21:49:01 | mattzz | aaaargh. Load main image failed. Switch to Recovery mode. |
21:49:05 | mindframe | nls: any idea how that would happen? |
21:49:19 | n1s | maybe unsafe disconnect? |
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21:49:33 | n1s | crazy filesystem bug? |
21:49:48 | mattzz | gnnnnhhh. not again. |
21:50:12 | massiveH | hcs: it couldn't have been that bad. |
21:50:17 | * | n1s wonders what the difference between a "Read failed (chksum)" and a "Bad checksum" is? |
21:50:18 | Bagder | mattzz: recovery mode not working now again? |
21:50:46 | hcs | massiveH: I'll discuss it with you in #rockbox-community if you'd like |
21:50:52 | mattzz | Bagder, I havent tried to switch to rec mode. Should I? I simply did an update via auto updater |
21:50:57 | saratoga | hcs: which google office? |
21:51:03 | hcs | NYC |
21:51:08 | saratoga | ah |
21:51:23 | Bagder | mattzz: wow, now that shouldn't misbehave of course... but then recovery mode is nothing dangerous if you just play by the book |
21:51:25 | saratoga | if my phd turns sour, i'm probably going to apply at Phx |
21:51:33 | saratoga | my friends are there |
21:51:44 | mattzz | Bagder, *no* .rom files - I promise |
21:52:00 | Bagder | it doesn't need a .rom file to upgrade |
21:52:01 | massiveH | hcs: I'm on the webclient, and am unable to join, sorry. |
21:52:22 | linuxstb | BiptoN: How did you create that patch? It doesn't even include a filename... |
21:52:33 | GodEater | massiveH: irvatwork.com |
21:52:41 | GodEater | ircatwork.com even |
21:52:52 | mattzz | Bagder, should I use a mi4 file from your site, just to make sure to have a proper one? |
21:53:05 | linuxstb | BiptoN: If you've changed system.c, you should do "svn diff firmware/system.c > scaling_test.patch" (from the rockbox directory - assuming you're working from svn) |
21:53:24 | massiveH | hcs: what network? |
21:53:32 | hcs | irc.freenode.org |
21:53:43 | hcs | .net |
21:53:44 | hcs | dang |
21:53:50 | Bagder | mattzz: the update tool should of course just work, but if you have firmware less than 1.03 you can use the appropriate mi4 from my page |
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21:57:07 | mattzz | Bagder, phew... worked. |
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21:59:16 | BiptoN | linuxstb_: i'm new to patches |
21:59:22 | BiptoN | lemme do that |
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22:00:20 | mindframe | nls: im using linux, how do i get my ipod to say its okay to disconnect? it always says 'do not disconnect' even after i umount |
22:01:01 | hcs | mindframe: eject |
22:01:20 | linuxstb | I always just ignore it and pull the plug after umount. |
22:01:31 | hcs | I eject to be sure |
22:01:37 | GodEater | linuxstb: me too |
22:01:44 | BiptoN | linuxstb_: is that patch better? |
22:01:46 | linuxstb | What does eject do that umount doesn't? |
22:01:50 | BiptoN | i just reposted a new one |
22:02:09 | hcs | linuxstb: makes me feel better that everything is flushed |
22:02:09 | GodEater | linuxstb: somehow tells the iPod it's okay to disconnect :) |
22:02:16 | GodEater | but I'm not sure how it does it |
22:02:28 | GodEater | I've also had problems reconnecting the iPod after I've used it |
22:02:32 | GodEater | which is why I don't anymore |
22:02:44 | BiptoN | it syns the fs and removes the dev entry i believe |
22:02:50 | BiptoN | sync |
22:02:51 | BiptoN | s |
22:02:53 | BiptoN | heheh |
22:03:03 | GodEater | umount should sync the fs on it's own |
22:03:13 | BiptoN | it does |
22:03:20 | linuxstb | BiptoN: Yes, that patch looks perfect (from a purely patching point of view) |
22:03:21 | BiptoN | eject also removes the dev though |
22:03:30 | mattzz | Bagder, does anybody need the 1.02.15 bootloader to update to 1.02.15 or is only the .mi4 required? |
22:03:49 | BiptoN | thanks for the help, don't want to sound or seem more tarded than i am ;) |
22:03:54 | Bagder | I don't know, but I *think* only the mi4 is needed |
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22:04:26 | mattzz | There are no key/crypt dependencies in the BL, right? |
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22:05:07 | mindframe | just eject [device] ? |
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22:05:29 | BiptoN | eject /dev/sd? |
22:05:42 | BiptoN | or umount /dev/sd?? |
22:05:42 | Mikachu | there's a special usb command for disconnecting, and eject makes the kernel send it |
22:05:51 | Mikachu | it also makes /dev/sd?? disappear |
22:05:54 | Mikachu | (but not sd?) |
22:06:01 | mindframe | oh ok |
22:06:07 | Mikachu | eject will automatically run umount |
22:07:46 | Bagder | mattzz: yes there is, the BL has the decryption key for the mi4 |
22:08:22 | Bagder | but they used the same key for all mi4 files until 1.03 when they changed |
22:08:36 | GodEater | Llorean: you there ? |
22:08:49 | mattzz | Bagder, ok - i c |
22:08:49 | Llorean | At the moment |
22:08:57 | GodEater | re: the rockboy post in the forums |
22:09:09 | GodEater | I don't think the exact answer to his question *is* in the ipod faq |
22:09:13 | GodEater | at least, I can't find it |
22:09:23 | GodEater | hence the iriver link I gave him |
22:09:24 | Llorean | GodEater: Ah well, it's in the Manual and the Wiki page. |
22:09:48 | linuxstb | Are the ipod rockboy buttons documented anywhere? I looked the other day and couldn't find them. |
22:09:50 | GodEater | it's in the manual too ? Hmm - I'll have to re-read it |
22:10:14 | Llorean | GodEater: The manual has it in the "Viewers" section. |
22:10:21 | Llorean | Most people only look in plugins, and don't bother with an actual search |
22:10:37 | Llorean | They also don't read the header for the Viewers section so even if they find it, they don't get that it's launched differently |
22:10:44 | Llorean | Also, as a final note, it's now in the IpodFAQ |
22:10:55 | GodEater | I've found the rockboy section in the manual |
22:10:58 | Llorean | linuxstb: If they are documented, I'm about 80% sure they're outdated. |
22:10:59 | GodEater | under viewers as you say |
22:11:03 | Mikachu | maybe you could call them file plugins or something instead |
22:11:04 | GodEater | but it doesn't say where to put the roms |
22:11:22 | Llorean | GodEater: Yes, because it doesn't matter where you put the ROMs. If you read the definition of Viewers, that should be apparent. |
22:11:28 | GodEater | ah of course |
22:11:29 | GodEater | silly me |
22:11:31 | Llorean | The problem is, few people read the definition of viewers. |
22:11:35 | linuxstb | I think the problem is that Rockboy uses the wheel-position touches, which don't have macros in the manual... |
22:11:45 | * | GodEater beats his head on the counter |
22:11:59 | Llorean | linuxstb: I believe the manual says you need to hold Select to bring up the menu, and I *think* that it's a hold-toggle now. |
22:12:00 | * | Mikachu puts a soft cloth on the counter |
22:12:11 | Llorean | GodEater: recent post regarding cygwin? |
22:12:14 | linuxstb | I can't remember (and I implemented them...) |
22:12:26 | * | GodEater hunts for it |
22:12:36 | Mikachu | are you sure it wasn't me? |
22:12:50 | Llorean | Yeah, the real control is a hold trigger toggle |
22:13:14 | linuxstb | Mikachu: You're talking about Rockboy? I think I used your wheel patch, but I don't think you patched Rockboy - as it didn't run on the Nano at that time. |
22:13:16 | Llorean | GodEater: Too late, he fixed it. |
22:13:23 | Llorean | GodEater: The whole post simply said "error compiling using cygwin in windows" |
22:13:29 | Mikachu | ah okay, you meant the rockboy side |
22:13:30 | GodEater | hahaha |
22:14:08 | GodEater | he fixed it ? |
22:14:14 | * | GodEater 's cache must be slow |
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22:14:42 | hcs | BiptoN: running scaling-test2.diff (rebuilt main program and bootloader) now |
22:15:03 | mindframe | in linux do i need to unmount the device before i tell ipodpatcher to install the image? |
22:15:18 | GodEater | mindframe: nope |
22:15:41 | Mikachu | mindframe: you don't install the image on the same partition that's mounted, if you're talking ipods |
22:16:05 | * | GodEater hopes to hell he is talking ipods. Otherwise why use ipodpatcher ? |
22:16:09 | mindframe | i know, i was just wondering if there would be a problem with installing the image while /dev/sdb2 is mounted |
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22:16:22 | mindframe | trying this again and this time im going to eject |
22:16:25 | mindframe | woop woop |
22:16:34 | Mikachu | it may take a while before eject returns |
22:16:35 | GodEater | mindframe: it doesn't matter - ipodpatcher doesn't touch the mounted partition |
22:16:45 | Mikachu | longer the more data you transferred |
22:16:59 | Mikachu | (which is why it seems a good idea to do it) |
22:17:02 | GodEater | just wait till the spinning icon in the top left corner of the ipod's display disappears |
22:17:10 | GodEater | that's what I always do |
22:17:19 | Mikachu | i wait until eject exits |
22:17:27 | mindframe | well ive had corrupted rockbox files when i do that |
22:17:34 | mindframe | i get -2 error on boot |
22:17:40 | Mikachu | don't trust it when it says safe to unplug :) |
22:17:51 | GodEater | er - but that's the rockbox.ipod |
22:17:56 | GodEater | nothing to do with ipodpatcher |
22:18:03 | Bagder | I've always done plain "umount" |
22:18:58 | Bagder | ...since before ehci was even in the kernel |
22:19:20 | Mikachu | heh, oldtimer |
22:19:20 | GodEater | usb 1,1 eh ? :) |
22:19:31 | * | GodEater remembers those days |
22:19:37 | Bagder | yeah, there was a "usb 2.0" patch for quite some time |
22:20:05 | mindframe | alright ive got a clean vfat fs with rockbox.ipd and .rockbox folder, just successfully applied rockbox bootloader - hope this works |
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22:20:20 | mindframe | does there need to be anything besides read permissions on rockbox.ipod ? |
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22:20:30 | Mikachu | it's fat, it doesn't have permissions |
22:20:40 | * | GodEater echos Mikachu |
22:20:46 | Bagder | or rather it always have permission ;-) |
22:20:52 | GodEater | true :) |
22:20:52 | * | linuxstb mentions the attrib command |
22:21:00 | Mikachu | it doesn't have per-file permissions* |
22:21:13 | GodEater | attrib doesn't allow "no read" permissions |
22:21:16 | GodEater | it allows "read only" |
22:21:42 | mindframe | yayyyyy i did it |
22:21:45 | mindframe | eject was the key |
22:21:50 | Mikachu | ah yes, attrib, which is only a friendly hint to file managers not to delete files when you press delete |
22:21:59 | GodEater | hehehe |
22:22:02 | mindframe | did the exact same thing before, apparently it didnt like just umount |
22:22:06 | Mikachu | and has 4 attributes that do the same thing :) |
22:22:19 | Mikachu | mindframe: it would probably work with umount and wait a couple of seconds too |
22:22:28 | mindframe | arg |
22:22:43 | GodEater | arg isn't a good sign |
22:22:46 | mindframe | now i click this rockbox thing and it goes to rockbox image |
22:22:54 | mindframe | rolo loading, executing |
22:22:59 | * | GodEater slaps his forehead |
22:23:02 | mindframe | version unkown |
22:23:03 | GodEater | not another one |
22:23:05 | tucoz | Bagder, are those since 2.5 ... links supposed to work? |
22:23:08 | massiveH | you are loading rockbox... |
22:23:08 | * | linuxstb slaps GodEater's forehead |
22:23:16 | Bagder | tucoz: I don't know |
22:23:21 | GodEater | mindframe: don't click on the rockbox icon |
22:23:23 | Llorean | mindframe: Once you see the filetree, you're IN rockbox. You shouldn't be roloing the image again. |
22:23:25 | massiveH | which is already loaded |
22:23:25 | GodEater | it's just reloads it |
22:23:31 | Bagder | hm yes they should |
22:23:45 | mindframe | oh ok lol i was waiting for a gui |
22:23:45 | mattzz | Bagder, I put my images under http://mattzz.dyndns.org/twiki/bin/view/Projects/RockBoxOnSansaE200 |
22:23:51 | mindframe | sorry for being rockbox newb |
22:23:54 | GodEater | mindframe: now read the manual section on the database |
22:23:55 | mindframe | rtfm maybe |
22:24:08 | tucoz | mindframe, everone is a noob at some point |
22:24:08 | GodEater | yes ideally read the whole thing |
22:24:19 | linuxstb | There will be a test later. |
22:24:23 | mindframe | k |
22:24:30 | GodEater | linuxstb will mark it |
22:24:32 | massiveH | test, what test?! |
22:24:46 | linuxstb | BiptoN: After about 10 minutes, my ipod has frozen. |
22:25:58 | * | GodEater thinks cygwin poster has managed to wipe his PATH variable |
22:26:06 | tomal | Can someone tell me what is the status of the idea to have a voice codec linked to its address? |
22:26:34 | linuxstb | Do you mean linked into the Rockbox core? |
22:26:39 | tomal | Or some other ideas to decrease memory requirements of a voice codec and swap buffers? |
22:26:41 | preglow | tomal: it's been talked about, that's all |
22:26:47 | mindframe | i like the hold switch to load original firmware :) |
22:27:25 | tomal | linuxstb: not necessarily, maybe linked to a different address than other codecs |
22:27:28 | preglow | tomal: as for unrolling the dct32, it's fully doable, but in the same time, it'll become much slower. at least that's what i think |
22:28:12 | linuxstb | Are we waiting to evaluate speex as an alternative voice codec? |
22:28:14 | GodEater | heh - loving the pointless argument over which cpu is in the c200 ;) |
22:28:17 | Llorean | GodEater: "Hosed" being a fully understandable technical term? |
22:28:28 | Llorean | GodEater: It's not an argument, it's a "we need to figure out how to guess" |
22:28:32 | * | GodEater grumbles and goes to clarify |
22:28:44 | Bagder | GodEater: it isn't pointless if/when the port takes off |
22:28:58 | * | Llorean would *love* to see Speex for his audiobooks. |
22:29:04 | preglow | it's on the tracker :> |
22:29:07 | saratoga | so has anyone measured teh cpu in the c200 |
22:29:15 | saratoga | the 24 and 22 aren't the same size |
22:29:37 | tomal | preglow: On iFP SRAM access is very slow, so somewhat more compact dct32 would be faster |
22:29:40 | GodEater | pardon me - I didn't realise we knew so much about PP chips it mattered overly to us which flavour they were |
22:29:42 | Bagder | saratoga: zefie is the only known owner of a c200 ;-) |
22:29:57 | linuxstb | GodEater: There's a big difference between the 5020/1/2 and the 5024. |
22:29:58 | GodEater | I shall forthwith remain silent on the subject |
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22:30:12 | tomal | preglow: can you point me to smaller implementations of dct32? |
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22:30:36 | GodEater | linuxstb: they're not register compatible anymore ? |
22:30:56 | linuxstb | Yes, but the 5024 has different hardware modules inside. e.g. the DAC. |
22:31:04 | Bagder | and it lacks ATA |
22:31:23 | GodEater | ah yes - I recall MrH's NAND writings... |
22:31:29 | GodEater | Llorean: cygwin post: is that better ? |
22:32:10 | Llorean | That's fine, aye |
22:32:18 | preglow | tomal: well, there's the implementation you see in wikipedia, that's a small loop, but it's extremely slow |
22:32:35 | preglow | tomal: part of the reason for unrolling is that that's what you need to do to refactor the maths |
22:32:48 | GodEater | right - it feels like it's past my bedtime. G'night all. |
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22:32:55 | preglow | if you're putting it back in loop form, you need to do all the heavy unnecessary math you avoided with unrolling |
22:33:07 | tomal | preglow: yes, this is slow, but what about something based on fft? |
22:33:31 | preglow | tomal: the dct can be calculated as an fft, yes |
22:33:43 | preglow | and if it's 32 point, it can even be done with a radix-2 fft |
22:33:45 | amiconn_ | tomal: Did you try using -Os for libmad? |
22:33:59 | amiconn_ | It should make smaller yet more optimised code than just -O |
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22:34:17 | tomal | amiconn_: no. I'll try now. |
22:35:31 | EbErT | is there a way to keep an id3 database when updating rockbox? |
22:35:52 | preglow | ugh, that dct32 is a big bastard, yes |
22:35:55 | EbErT | and i also am wondering if i need to update the id3 config file (last time i didn't) |
22:36:36 | saratoga | i didn't realize the iFP port was still in the works |
22:36:45 | saratoga | hows that coming? |
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22:37:47 | tomal | saratoga: Well, I have very little time for it. However, Philips recently released a datasheet for a chip similar to PNX0101. |
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22:38:45 | EbErT | anyone have solutions, or should i look somewhere in the manual? |
22:38:49 | tomal | The current problem is that neither vorbis nor mp3 plays in realtime. I have to optimize the codecs |
22:39:54 | Bagder | tomal: are you sure you're running the cpu core in a "proper" speed? |
22:39:58 | n1s | EbErT: just unzip the new rockbox.zip onto the root of your player to update, no need to delete the databes |
22:40:13 | linuxstb_ | tomal: What speed is your ARM, and is there a cache? |
22:40:35 | n1s | database |
22:40:37 | EbErT | n1s: but i want to keep my wps, ect |
22:40:44 | Mikachu | the ARM is faster than the eye |
22:40:58 | tomal | I'm pretty sure that I run it at 60 MHz with 8 kB cache. |
22:41:03 | EbErT | wait, where is the database located? |
22:41:16 | n1s | well, you don't need to delete that either, and it will be kept unless it's named the same as an official one |
22:41:38 | tomal | However, maybe I could tweak SRAM timings. I haven't tried that yet. |
22:41:41 | saratoga | that should be pretty fast, even the pp5002 with broken cache can do realtime ogg |
22:41:52 | saratoga | maybe the memory is very slow? |
22:41:55 | dan_a | saratoga: No it can't |
22:42:00 | saratoga | it can't? |
22:42:12 | saratoga | maybe i'm thinking of flac then |
22:42:12 | dan_a | It can do mpc, but that's it for the lossy codecs |
22:42:30 | dan_a | flac works realtime |
22:42:37 | linuxstb_ | Did you try ac3? Although I'm not sure if that's very fast on ARM. |
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22:42:40 | EbErT | im updating from one daily build to another, is that the same n1s ? |
22:42:55 | Mikachu | does rb handle >2 channel ac3? |
22:43:01 | n1s | yes, just unzip it on to you player, don't delete anything |
22:43:09 | linuxstb_ | Yes, liba52 has built-in downmixing. |
22:43:13 | Mikachu | ah |
22:43:23 | tomal | linuxstb_: is it this big (~400kB) codec? It doesn't fit in iFP 1MB memory. |
22:44:13 | preglow | ac3 should be small |
22:44:23 | EbErT | 1 last thing: what is the id3 database called? |
22:44:34 | preglow | 40kb |
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22:45:40 | linuxstb_ | And it looks like there's no malloc'ing. |
22:45:46 | tomal | Ok, I meant aac. |
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22:46:24 | linuxstb_ | aac is a different beast entirely - big and slow. |
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22:46:50 | linuxstb_ | (at least, our version) |
22:47:05 | tomal | I did not try a52. I have to encode something in this format first. |
22:47:33 | linuxstb_ | Most DVDs have an a52 (ac3) audio stream - so it's easy to rip an example file from there. |
22:48:08 | linuxstb_ | (mplayer -dumpaudio -dumpfile file.ac3 file.vob) |
22:49:01 | Mikachu | is ac3 and a52 the same thing? i find it a bit confusing |
22:49:16 | Mikachu | i have both an a52dec and ac3dec (not the same program) |
22:49:46 | saratoga | heres some samples for ac3 |
22:49:47 | saratoga | http://www.lynnemusic.com/surround.html |
22:49:56 | saratoga | (5.1 though if that matters) |
22:50:14 | preglow | they're the same thing |
22:50:23 | linuxstb_ | Mikachu: Yes. I think A52 is the name given to it by the American Television Standards Committee (ATSC). ac3 is probably Dolby's name for it. |
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22:50:36 | Mikachu | ah |
22:50:45 | linuxstb_ | The ATSC have published the standard, but it's probably patented by Dolby.... |
22:51:15 | Mikachu | i wonder how hard it is to vorbis encode a multichannel ac3 stream... |
22:51:24 | Mikachu | not that i have more than two speakers :) |
22:51:43 | linuxstb_ | You're suggesting a lossy->lossy conversion? :) |
22:52:07 | Mikachu | ac3 streams on dvds are usually quite high bitrate |
22:52:14 | Mikachu | and dts, is that just another standard? |
22:52:18 | Mikachu | i saw that on one dvd |
22:52:21 | linuxstb_ | That's different. |
22:52:27 | Mikachu | the only difference i could hear is the track was much louder :) |
22:52:33 | saratoga | DTS is like a less efficient AC3 |
22:52:48 | saratoga | though both are at such high bitrates, that they're transparent |
22:52:53 | Llorean | DTS is not just a less efficient AC3 |
22:52:59 | Llorean | DTS also supports higher sample rates. |
22:53:01 | preglow | they're not really the same at all |
22:53:03 | hcs | yay, I have a real name |
22:53:09 | Bagder | :-) |
22:53:15 | saratoga | yes they're competing formats |
22:53:19 | Bagder | I forgot to add you there previously |
22:53:25 | linuxstb_ | But aren't they both from Dolby? |
22:53:31 | Llorean | In many cases there's a quite audible difference between AC3 and DTS on my home system. |
22:53:51 | preglow | small wonder |
22:53:58 | preglow | ac3 is a transform codec, dts is not |
22:54:33 | Llorean | Though my receiver seems to play with the bass whether I want it to or not. =/ |
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22:55:25 | saratoga | the levels are going to be different most likely |
22:55:34 | Hotfusion | yeah I love my surround |
22:55:37 | saratoga | you're probably not going to be able to ABX them though, once they're level matched |
22:55:41 | * | linuxstb_ spots a dtsdec.c in ffmpeg... |
22:55:46 | Hotfusion | marantz mm9000 amp |
22:55:47 | Hotfusion | whoo |
22:55:50 | Mikachu | yeah i could play it in mplayer |
22:56:34 | dan_a | Does anyone know of any reasons why a 4G greyscale iPod would never unboost? |
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22:58:56 | dan_a | Hmph. This makes testing the patches in FS #6095 a little tricky |
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23:00:23 | tucoz | Bagder: do you know what happens in the At&t case? |
23:00:28 | preglow | linuxstb_: it depends on another lib, afaik |
23:00:36 | Bagder | tucoz: nothing I guess |
23:00:43 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Yes, I just spotted that it didn't actually contain a decoder.... |
23:00:44 | Mikachu | % ldd =mplayer|grep dts |
23:00:45 | Mikachu | libdts.so.0 => /usr/lib/libdts.so.0 |
23:01:04 | linuxstb_ | aka libdca - threatened by lawyers... |
23:01:24 | tucoz | thats too bad. it would be nice if they would respond at least |
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23:03:14 | linuxstb_ | libdca/dts seems nicely fixed-point. |
23:03:34 | linuxstb_ | It seems to be based on liba52. |
23:05:10 | preglow | linuxstb_: have you actually looked at the code? the configure script used to incorrectly have a fixed point option |
23:05:36 | tomal | Compiling libmad with -O and -Os seems to give the same codec. |
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23:08:08 | linuxstb_ | preglow: You're right... :( |
23:08:43 | tomal | Ok, I have to go. Good night. |
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23:09:57 | dan_a | Ah. If there is a .voice file present then it runs at 100% boost. |
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23:13:02 | EbErT | does the tagnavi.config file need to be updated every time? |
23:13:51 | amiconn | dan_a: There's a problem with unboosting since I don't know when |
23:14:00 | BiptoN | linuxstb_: did you use a playlist or just start playing music from a folder? |
23:14:04 | amiconn | The boost counter isn't zero after booting |
23:14:19 | amiconn | That's on *all* swcodec targets which have cpu scaling |
23:14:30 | tucoz | bluebrother: for the logs. When you run make on the manual now, it complains about a missing file (...platform/svnversion.sh). This is because the TOOLSDIR is pointing to manual/platform instead of the tools dir. I do not know how to fix this, but i am sure you know. |
23:14:35 | linuxstb_ | BiptoN: Just from a folder. |
23:14:35 | amiconn | Nobody seems to have an idea how to fix it... |
23:15:15 | dan_a | amiconn: The boost tracking work should help with that, shouldn't it? |
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23:15:37 | amiconn | It's possible that this only applies when a voice file is present - I have voice files installed on all my targets |
23:16:13 | dan_a | That seems to be the case - turning off voice menus didn't help, but taking off the voice file did |
23:16:30 | linuxstb_ | I've never noticed the boosting problem - and I don't have any voice files... |
23:16:55 | amiconn | It's one reason why I don't actually use my swcodec targets often |
23:17:09 | amiconn | Atm I do use my archos recorder like 95% of the time |
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23:19:11 | BiptoN | mine locked when i loaded my 1k+ playlist |
23:19:19 | BiptoN | from folder to folder it's been solid |
23:19:25 | BiptoN | linuxstb_ |
23:21:23 | dan_a | Robert Cotey's patch (which keeps the frequencies the same but changes the multipliers and dividers) seems to be working for me at the moment |
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23:31:20 | dan_a | OK, forget that. |
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23:33:13 | linuxstb_ | The thing that confuses me about this problem is that some builds seem to work a lot more reliably than others - for no apparent reason. |
23:35:07 | dan_a | My gut feeling is that it's something like trying to reclock the PLL too soon after the last change. |
23:35:27 | Llorean | dan_a: That's actually kinda what my "I know nothing about the problem" sense was saying today. |
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23:36:38 | Bagder | man, my spam box is >1GB... |
23:36:45 | Bagder | since jan 18 |
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23:36:53 | Bagder | lucky me |
23:37:03 | dan_a | I think that's why I'm starting to see problems on the 3g that were not there before - as more optimisations go in, it is boosting and unboosting more frequently |
23:37:05 | Hotfusion | I have to say rockbox does get good battery life on my mp3 player. I ran it a couple of hours the day before yesterday 1-2 hours. Then yesterday I accidentally ran it fro 5pm to 6am non stop. And it still had 4 hours left |
23:37:08 | Hotfusion | very nice |
23:37:28 | dan_a | Hotfusion: Which player? |
23:37:35 | Hotfusion | my X5L iAudio |
23:37:54 | Hotfusion | I turend on my car this morning and it was playing |
23:37:59 | Hotfusion | I was like dang it's still going |
23:38:15 | amiconn | X5L is built for good battery life |
23:38:17 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: IIRC, hcs wrote a patch which kept the PLL clocked at the same speed, but just selected and deselected it - switching between 24Mhz and 75MHz. That seemed to work for him and me, but then others reported freezes... |
23:38:32 | amiconn | I'd expect it to go for 30+ hours per charge |
23:39:01 | dan_a | linuxstb_: That's the one I've just built to test on my 4g greyscale |
23:39:24 | Hotfusion | the two separate batteries in it are still good. But I'd hate to replace them finding replacements, measurements of battery and mAh may be difficult |
23:39:26 | Hotfusion | but not impossible |
23:40:05 | dan_a | I think that the coprocessor might get woken up sometimes too. MrH's document seemed to suggest that, and the fact that running with a kernel on the COP helps would point that way. |
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23:40:45 | linuxstb_ | Yes, my feeling is that the COP is involved somewhere - as the PP5020s seem to have more COP problems than the other targets. |
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23:41:25 | Hotfusion | do you guys have other suggestions than the $50 headphones on ebay (new Sennheiser HD435? Tht's about what I want to spend |
23:41:41 | Hotfusion | I got some RCA ones from wally world and they really are bad |
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23:42:02 | Hotfusion | it needs a battery just to achive better volumes lol |
23:42:31 | scorche | Hotfusion: browse head-fi.....this is #rockbox, where we discuss rockbox related things... |
23:42:49 | Hotfusion | there people in there |
23:42:51 | Hotfusion | lol |
23:42:56 | BiptoN | i ran a frequency of 8mhz gottent from 24/3 yesterday with no problems |
23:43:10 | BiptoN | a thought that it changes clock speed less often |
23:43:22 | BiptoN | from 40-80 |
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23:43:37 | Hotfusion | is head-fi a channel? |
23:43:38 | BiptoN | that's only 5 different settings with multipliers of 8 |
23:43:44 | Alonea | Hotfusion: buds, hook ons (and variations of), or phones? Best Buy has some nice ones. Sony is a good brand. |
23:44:01 | Hotfusion | I did /j head-fi and no one is there |
23:44:07 | scorche | Hotfusion: google for head-fi |
23:44:11 | Hotfusion | ahk |
23:44:14 | Hotfusion | thx |
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23:50:55 | BiptoN | hotfusion: sennheisers have been the best soundin headphones i've heard |
23:51:04 | BiptoN | i have some |
23:51:12 | BiptoN | and we use em for monitoring at church |
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