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| 00:06:29 | * | argonel hopes asm make with the data sheet soon |
| 00:07:08 | argonel | one day on the manufacturers firmware and i hate it already |
| 00:08:26 | n1s | well someone will have to write a driver when (if) they get a data sheet so don't expect anything too soon ;-) |
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| 00:19:29 | dan_a | hcs's frequency scaling patch seems to work pretty well for me |
| 00:20:32 | dan_a | It would be interesting to see what effects it has on battery life - the normal frequency is lowered, so we spend more time boosted. |
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| 00:27:13 | Zagor | there. all the left-side menus should be correct now ('svn builds' instead of 'cvs builds') |
| 00:27:25 | linuxstb | \o/ |
| 00:28:46 | Mikachu | sed -i s/cvs/svn/ /dev/hda |
| 00:28:59 | Zagor | hehe |
| 00:29:22 | linuxstb | Is it just me, or does the menu move when you select "wiki" or "index" under Documentation? i.e. the wiki html/css is slightly different to the main site? |
| 00:29:40 | Mikachu | it moves down half a line |
| 00:29:50 | Mikachu | like there was an extra <br> after svn builds |
| 00:29:51 | Zagor | doesn't move for me in opera |
| 00:30:11 | Mikachu | actually i think the spacing between every heading increases |
| 00:30:14 | Zagor | however 'manual' moves up half a line |
| 00:30:33 | Mikachu | i don't think anyone will stop using rockbox because of it |
| 00:30:48 | Zagor | looks like the menu in twiki pages has larger spacing |
| 00:31:07 | Mikachu | the boxes at the bottom also have wildly different spacing both above and below |
| 00:31:07 | linuxstb | The wiki html seems to have extra empty paragraph elements in the menu - <p /> |
| 00:31:16 | argonel | n1s: i'll write the driver myself if necessary |
| 00:31:37 | Zagor | linuxstb: weird |
| 00:32:32 | linuxstb | It seems every blank line in the main website's html has a <p /> in the wiki... |
| 00:34:05 | Zagor | indeed. the wiki template parser is doing a bit more than we ask of it... |
| 00:34:20 | linuxstb | Very helpful. |
| 00:36:12 | Zagor | hmm, our preprocessor is inserting blank lines here and there. and then the wiki parser converts them into <p />. sed to the rescue! |
| 00:37:40 | midkay | hey, Zagor? |
| 00:37:54 | Zagor | yea? |
| 00:38:04 | Mikachu | yea who? |
| 00:38:30 | Mikachu | i'm not sure where i was going with that |
| 00:38:37 | Zagor | haha |
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| 00:39:06 | midkay | while you're here.. I think you need to be an administrator to do this: on the wiki, there are some "global" images (like %Y% gives a checkbox icon). can you make another icon work like this? |
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| 00:39:32 | Zagor | I think so, yes. what would you like? |
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| 00:39:59 | midkay | this is the one, it's attached to the MajorChanges page so it can be used there, but it makes the code waay ugly to have <img src=blablabla> alongside simple %Y% and %X% tags. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/MajorChanges/graph.gif |
| 00:41:03 | Zagor | ok, I'll look at it |
| 00:41:35 | midkay | thanks. also, I seem to recall coming across a page that showed all of them somewhere, but I can't remember where that was.. if you come across it, i'd like to see it please :) |
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| 00:44:54 | aliask | Anyone know where I could get a hold of a 1.8" ribbon cable type harddrive enclosure? |
| 00:45:19 | amiconn | midkay: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiDocGraphics Relatively easy to find... |
| 00:45:38 | TerrorByte | Can someone tell me how to actually use a patch? |
| 00:45:44 | midkay | amiconn: ah, thanks. i did try a few variations of that, neither worked... |
| 00:45:47 | TerrorByte | Just point me in the right direction? |
| 00:45:57 | aliask | TerrorByte: You using windows or linux? |
| 00:46:17 | TerrorByte | Windows. |
| 00:46:22 | aliask | Got cygwin? |
| 00:46:23 | TerrorByte | I want to try the Rockboy patch for the H10 20 GB. |
| 00:46:24 | Zagor | there, wiki menu is properly spaced again. clearing cache now. |
| 00:46:32 | Zagor | amiconn: yikes, that's a lot of icons! |
| 00:46:36 | linuxstb | TerrorByte: Follow these links - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
| 00:46:43 | TerrorByte | Err no. |
| 00:46:58 | amiconn | midkay: From an arbitrary editing form, click "More formatting help" at the bottom. In the popup window there's a link to the doc graphics |
| 00:47:20 | aliask | TerrorByte: To apply a patch you need to be able to compile the source code |
| 00:47:21 | TerrorByte | I see. |
| 00:47:33 | amiconn | (near the bottom) |
| 00:48:02 | TerrorByte | I'm lost already. |
| 00:48:03 | midkay | amiconn: good to know. i guess that's how i got there last time, but i don't remember it as being a page meant to be seen by most people. |
| 00:48:14 | aliask | TerrorByte: How badly do you want to do this, it's not really that easy. |
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| 00:48:43 | TerrorByte | Pretty badly? |
| 00:48:49 | TerrorByte | Can you guide me through this? |
| 00:49:00 | aliask | Not really, I'm going to be leaving in about 5 mins |
| 00:49:00 | Llorean | TerrorByte: You can't just wait for the patch to be officially included? |
| 00:49:15 | Llorean | TerrorByte: You're going to *have* to do a lot of work on your own. Just read one of the guides to compiling and follow it. |
| 00:49:19 | aliask | TerrorByte: This is likely to take you over an hour. |
| 00:49:36 | TerrorByte | Ah. |
| 00:49:37 | TerrorByte | I see. |
| 00:49:46 | TerrorByte | Is there any way you can apply the patch and send me the files? |
| 00:50:05 | aliask | Sure, which patch, which target? |
| 00:50:11 | linuxstb | But compiling your own build is a skill worth learning - it gives you lots of options for customising Rockbox yourself. |
| 00:50:15 | TerrorByte | If that's not a possibility, I will wait for it to be oficially included. |
| 00:50:15 | TerrorByte | Okay. |
| 00:50:26 | TerrorByte | I need the H10 20 GB. |
| 00:50:29 | TerrorByte | Patch is the rockboy patch. |
| 00:50:29 | TerrorByte | Hold on, lemme get link. |
| 00:50:55 | Llorean | TerrorByte: You really should just learn to do it yourself. |
| 00:50:55 | TerrorByte | akaias: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=13081 |
| 00:51:02 | Llorean | You've been in here asking for patches before. |
| 00:51:10 | TerrorByte | No I haven't. |
| 00:51:24 | TerrorByte | I wanted a patch for multiple keys. |
| 00:51:33 | TerrorByte | Or just something done about that.... |
| 00:51:38 | Llorean | You wanted it to be coded for you that time. |
| 00:51:46 | Llorean | But it's still an aspect of the same thing, simply compiling your own build. |
| 00:52:39 | Zagor | 2006-10-29 04.15.04 # <TerrorByte> Also, how do I apply a .patch? |
| 00:52:48 | Zagor | logbot never forgets :) |
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| 00:53:15 | TerrorByte | You see, I'm not upset that you were able to find that and rub it in my face. |
| 00:53:24 | TerrorByte | It's just that this is always what's brought up. |
| 00:53:28 | TerrorByte | Well whatever. |
| 00:53:44 | TerrorByte | If nothing can be done, I'll wait. |
| 00:53:57 | Llorean | What's brought up? That you said something that turned out not to be true, or that something *can* be done, but *you* are unwilling to do it. |
| 00:54:10 | linuxstb | TerrorByte: aliask has already offered to compile it for you... |
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| 00:54:41 | TerrorByte | Much appreciated. |
| 00:54:49 | aliask | Wiki search is broken |
| 00:54:56 | aliask | Uh, how do you do a svn checkout? |
| 00:55:06 | aliask | svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/trunk/rockbox? |
| 00:55:24 | Zagor | aliask: ow. examining. |
| 00:55:28 | preglow | safetydan: why not just commit that? |
| 00:55:28 | Llorean | svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/trunk foldername |
| 00:55:29 | Llorean | I think |
| 00:55:43 | Zagor | you can skip foldername if you want it called 'rockbox' |
| 00:55:50 | midkay | hmm. @ developers: i was just thinking about the #ifdef hell that is apps/plugins/SOURCES and i think it might be a good idea to totally overhaul this file, what sounds like a good approach to me is an #ifdef section for each possible target so you can quickly and easily add a plugin for specific targets or see what any given plugin is compiling for. any thoughts? |
| 00:55:54 | safetydan | preglow, commit what? The partial patch? Because AFAIK, it will break all older voice and translation files |
| 00:56:01 | Llorean | Zagor: If you don't type a foldername, it ends up in a folder named trunk, actually. Or it did for me. |
| 00:56:05 | preglow | safetydan: why, that's a good point |
| 00:56:19 | Zagor | Llorean: oh, right. it uses the last "dir name" of the path. |
| 00:56:19 | midkay | or maybe a different design, but i think the current nested ifdef mess is pretty annoying to deal with. |
| 00:56:24 | linuxstb | midkay: Do you mean duplicate plugins for each target? |
| 00:56:41 | Zagor | aliask: svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox |
| 00:56:43 | Llorean | Zagor: Not a real problem, honestly, but 'trunk' isn't the most descriptive if you've put it somewhere not clearly just for Rockbox stuff. :) |
| 00:56:51 | preglow | midkay: can't say i like the sound of it |
| 00:57:00 | aliask | Zagor: Thanks |
| 00:57:10 | midkay | linuxstb: i mean one entry per supported plugin on a per-target basis.. |
| 00:57:16 | midkay | any other ideas? :) |
| 00:57:17 | Zagor | I forget the order of 'trunk' and 'rockbox' myself |
| 00:57:46 | aliask | At least it's a LOT simpler than CVS |
| 00:57:51 | linuxstb | midkay: Fix all the plugins which don't work on certain platforms? :) |
| 00:57:59 | aliask | I'd have to go to the wiki to copy the lines out every time. |
| 00:58:05 | midkay | linuxstb: haha. something a tad easier? ;) |
| 00:58:12 | Zagor | aliask: hehe |
| 00:58:20 | Llorean | linuxstb: There are a couple plugins only useful on certain targets, though |
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| 00:58:44 | preglow | i really don't like duplicating stuff that don't need duplicating |
| 00:59:23 | midkay | what about something a little bit shorter then, like.. forget all the ifdef-rtc, ifdef-swcodec stuff, just make an entire list of all the plugin .c files and ifdef/ifndef any of them that aren't fully supported on all players? |
| 00:59:52 | preglow | i like that better |
| 00:59:57 | Llorean | You could also just have all plugins compile, and have the plugin .c files themselves determine if they get compiled or end up empty for that player? |
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| 01:00:08 | * | amiconn thinks the ifdefing in apps/plugins/SOURCES isn't that complex |
| 01:00:24 | preglow | amiconn: i don't really think so either, but it could be better |
| 01:00:28 | linuxstb | amiconn: I agree, but it's starting to get messy again... |
| 01:00:34 | linuxstb | Didn't you clean it up recently? |
| 01:00:35 | preglow | it is |
| 01:00:35 | midkay | amiconn: it's way more than it needs to be, i think.. everything's way nested and overlapping and duplicated... |
| 01:00:45 | preglow | i've managed to mess it up a couple of times |
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| 01:02:01 | midkay | Llorean has an interesting idea.. at the end of each plugin's keymapping, have an #else that stops the compiling of that file? is that possible? i can't think of how personally though.. |
| 01:02:25 | linuxstb | keymapping isn't enough to determine if the plugin works. |
| 01:02:28 | JdGordon | #else #error "blaa" |
| 01:02:47 | midkay | but will that keep the compiler going on to the next file? |
| 01:02:50 | Zagor | that makes it a lot more difficult to see which plugins are supported. you'd have to open every source file. |
| 01:02:59 | midkay | that's true.. |
| 01:02:59 | bluebrother | counting the errors caught by the build system will get fun then ;-) |
| 01:02:59 | Llorean | That's very true |
| 01:03:03 | Mikachu | make will stop on errors unless you run make -k |
| 01:03:12 | Mikachu | in which case it will continue even if it gets a "real" error |
| 01:03:18 | midkay | maybe i'll play with SOURCES and i'll post it up for review if i come up with anything. |
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| 01:04:49 | linuxstb | Hmm, the #ifndef HAVE_MMC around alpine_cdc.c seems an odd choice... |
| 01:05:43 | amiconn | The comment explains why |
| 01:05:47 | linuxstb | I know... |
| 01:05:55 | amiconn | It's not 100% clean, I know |
| 01:06:00 | midkay | indeed.. that's how the sources file seems to me.. quite hacky. |
| 01:06:09 | amiconn | Imho "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" applies here |
| 01:06:26 | midkay | i don't wanna fix it, just improve it :) |
| 01:06:30 | Mikachu | if it's broke, give it money |
| 01:06:39 | amiconn | There is the general split: all-targets/charcell/bitmap |
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| 01:07:00 | amiconn | Then there are some inevitable special cases, which could be grouped together |
| 01:07:15 | safetydan | Anyone have a good idea for how to name features for the lang files? Currently I have something like #ifdef HAVE_HEADPHONE_DETECTION headphone_detection #endif |
| 01:07:18 | amiconn | And then there are those cases which should be fixed by adapting the plugin... |
| 01:07:22 | safetydan | seems a bit wordy |
| 01:08:19 | amiconn | Brickmania for the sansa (needs graphics) |
| 01:08:45 | amiconn | Metronome for the sim (needs timer simulation or alternate code in the plugin) |
| 01:09:23 | amiconn | Calendar needs adapting to all the rtc targets (currently recorder only) |
| 01:09:44 | linuxstb | Maybe simply adding some indentation would clarify it. |
| 01:10:08 | Mikachu | i suggested indenting the ifdefs in the code once and everyone looked at me like i was from mars |
| 01:10:23 | linuxstb | I like mars. |
| 01:10:37 | Mikachu | i like twix betters |
| 01:10:41 | Mikachu | -s |
| 01:10:46 | amiconn | fireworks, xobox: Why are these not possible on the archos lcd? What about rockpaint on non-colour targets? |
| 01:11:04 | Zagor | safetydan: if anything, I think it's better to be a little to wordy than a little too cryptic |
| 01:11:21 | Zagor | s/to/too |
| 01:11:29 | preglow | amiconn: problem with stuff like that is that it can end up broken quite quickly |
| 01:11:35 | Zagor | euhh, well you get it |
| 01:11:35 | safetydan | Zagor, true. I'll just keep going with it as it is then. |
| 01:11:44 | amiconn | And finally: Why is iriver_flash a separate plugin instead of integrating it into rockbox_flash? |
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| 01:15:37 | amiconn | preglow: In what way? plugins/SOURCES isn't really long... |
| 01:16:11 | * | amiconn prefers the way ifdefing is done in plugins/SOURCES *much* over the way in firmware/SOURCES |
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| 01:16:44 | Mikachu | that #ifndef SIMULATOR is way too persistant all over the source tree |
| 01:16:51 | Mikachu | the simulator needs more stubs and less polluting the source |
| 01:17:02 | preglow | amiconn: forget it, bad example |
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| 01:17:08 | amiconn | In firmware/SOUCRES, many source files are referenced multiple times, *very* easy to overlook one place |
| 01:17:19 | Mikachu | add arbitrary amount of politeness to those two sentences |
| 01:18:16 | amiconn | I'd rather have each source file only listed once, and shuffle the ifdefs around, than the other way round |
| 01:18:53 | JdGordon | firmware/SOURCES is neat now.. it used to be alot worse imo |
| 01:18:56 | amiconn | Mikachu: stubs won't help with cases like metronome, but then it should be possible to simulate the timer... |
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| 01:19:21 | amiconn | JdGordon: Uh, you really think so? |
| 01:19:37 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 01:20:07 | amiconn | firmware/SOURCES is ~600 lines, more than 4 times of plugins/SOURCES, and I had to add my ata asm file _9_ times (!!) |
| 01:20:23 | amiconn | Pretty damn ugly, imho |
| 01:22:07 | midkay | i haven't seen it, but i can imagine that you mean "long" instead of "ugly". it sounds long but more easy to work with. |
| 01:22:18 | * | JdGordon wonders if its possibly to automatically generate the SOURCES files |
| 01:22:25 | linuxstb | I agree with amiconn - the duplication in firmware/SOURCES isn't nice. |
| 01:22:56 | amiconn | Maybe it depends *what* you are doing in there, but I find it way easier to work with plugins/SOURCES than with firmware/SOURCES |
| 01:23:17 | amiconn | Erm, insert an 'on' where you see fit |
| 01:24:07 | midkay | long or ugly are too extreme, we need a good compromise :) |
| 01:24:19 | Mikachu | "in need of improvement" |
| 01:24:33 | JdGordon | amiconn: I think the ata files are in the wrong place in f/SOURCEs anyway which is why you dont like it |
| 01:24:37 | amiconn | Hehe, imho firmware/SOUCRES is both long and ugly, while plugins/SOUCRES is nothing of both |
| 01:25:10 | JdGordon | the 2 files are used differently... firmware is much more player dependant than plugins |
| 01:25:16 | JdGordon | you cant really compare them |
| 01:25:44 | midkay | plugins/SOURCES is a fine length, but i still just feel like the nested/duplicated ifdefs are a little perplexing to work with, especially when you've got a plugin that only works on select targets. |
| 01:26:00 | amiconn | Mikachu: One idea would be that on the firmware/ side of things, the sim could be a target of its own |
| 01:26:07 | amiconn | firmware/target/simulator |
| 01:26:24 | amiconn | ..checking for features from the config files where necessary |
| 01:26:25 | Zagor | midkay: the only real alternative is to have a long a complex ifdef statement for each plugin. |
| 01:26:36 | Mikachu | that makes sense to me |
| 01:26:51 | Zagor | with &&, ||, ! and lots of () |
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| 01:27:47 | midkay | Zagor: imo that sounds way nicer.. you can see what target each plugin is being built for and no confusing ifdefs.. |
| 01:27:53 | amiconn | This way the sim could even evolve into a nice player application, defining its own features if so desired |
| 01:28:12 | amiconn | I know that some people already like to use the sim as a music player |
| 01:28:17 | Zagor | midkay: I think you vastly underestimate the complexity of the needed ifdefs... |
| 01:28:28 | Mikachu | midkay: the point is to express plugins as a function of abilities rather than specific targets |
| 01:28:32 | midkay | hmm? |
| 01:28:39 | Mikachu | midkay: so when you get a new target, it automatically gets the right plugins |
| 01:28:44 | midkay | Mikachu: but a lot of plugins go against that. |
| 01:28:51 | Mikachu | i was speaking ideallistically :) |
| 01:29:01 | midkay | you'll still have to update all the plugins to use the new target, so you can *easily* modify one line in plugins/SOURCES. |
| 01:29:33 | Zagor | the "features, not targets" philosophy is important |
| 01:29:54 | amiconn | Imho one of the advantages of rockbox is that it's really multi-platform. |
| 01:30:08 | amiconn | All plugins should be adapted to all targets if technically possible |
| 01:30:16 | JdGordon | unless you add a plugins/SOURCES.target file? so only plugins which work for the tagrte go there? |
| 01:30:19 | midkay | i agree for sure. but when lots of plugins don't work on targets they should, the ifdefing gets messy and hard to read. |
| 01:30:36 | Mikachu | midkay: see that as motivation to fix the plugins :) |
| 01:30:54 | amiconn | If you ifdef every plugin separately, you support porting laziness... and it's rather hard to see which plugins still need adaption |
| 01:30:54 | Zagor | midkay: the fix is not to throw away the concept |
| 01:31:21 | linuxstb | Zagor: The "features, not targets" isn't applied in firmware/SOURCES any more... |
| 01:31:24 | amiconn | ...and you would make the line count explode |
| 01:31:27 | midkay | well.. i didn't really mean ifdefing each one. |
| 01:31:55 | midkay | i don't know who came up with that idea. i just meant being a little more specific and organized with ifdefs, not nesting them like crazy. |
| 01:32:10 | linuxstb | I wonder why "#ifndef IRIVER_IFP7XX_SERIES /* Temporarily disable plugins for iFP7xx */" isn't at the top of SOURCES? |
| 01:32:25 | Zagor | linuxstb: yes, it becomes a little more academic in firmware/. much of the firmware code is by nature specifically written for specific targets. that's hard to change. |
| 01:33:23 | amiconn | linuxstb: Looks like the plugins before it are already working on iFP |
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| 01:35:44 | JdGordon | daurnimator: watching the hornets? |
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| 01:43:06 | Zagor | bed time. I'll try to fix wiki search tomorrow. |
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| 01:53:32 | km | Could anyone help out with a quick question? |
| 01:54:23 | safetydan | km, best just ask your question and see what happens |
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| 01:55:24 | km | Alright, groovy. I've looked through the forums and didn't really find anything, though I may just be blind. |
| 01:55:39 | daurnimator | JdGordon: the what? |
| 01:55:42 | km | But is it necessary to format your iPod (5.5G in my case) before installing RockBox? |
| 01:55:48 | daurnimator | (just woke up) |
| 01:55:50 | Mikachu | km: only if it's a mac ipod |
| 01:55:52 | JdGordon | daurnimator: dw |
| 01:55:58 | linuxstb | km: Is it a 30GB or 80GB ipod? |
| 01:56:02 | km | 30, thank god. |
| 01:56:08 | JdGordon | the f/a-18 's were flying in your direction before |
| 01:56:09 | km | I've heard about the issues regarding 80s. |
| 01:56:38 | km | So I just slap the firmwire on and it gives me an option for RockBoxOS or MacOS on bootup? Or am I missing something? |
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| 01:57:07 | Mikachu | it'll boot rockbox by default, but you can boot apples os if you have hold on |
| 01:57:11 | linuxstb | See the IpodFAQ - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
| 01:57:18 | daurnimator | haha |
| 01:57:21 | km | Thanks guys. |
| 01:57:25 | daurnimator | slept through jets flying overhead |
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| 01:57:50 | JdGordon | do they normally go as far as your place? |
| 01:58:06 | JdGordon | they always fly over here... but im 4k close to the city than you :D |
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| 02:00:15 | km | Alright, sounds great. Thanks a lot guys! I was pretty much only interested in RockBox for the DOOM support but eh. ;D |
| 02:00:35 | JdGordon | your not the only one for some reason :p |
| 02:00:41 | scorche | le sigh |
| 02:00:49 | km | Indeed. When I heard about the ability to play DOOM on my iPod, I went 'nanners. ;o |
| 02:01:13 | scorche | you can also play it on your computer believe it or not |
| 02:01:21 | Mikachu | haha, but that is not hardcore scorche |
| 02:01:24 | km | Hey man, some things you just have to try portable. |
| 02:01:33 | km | :D |
| 02:01:56 | km | Alrighty, well I shall be off then. If I have any other concerns I'll be back to bug y'all some more, but that will hopefully not be the case. |
| 02:02:00 | daurnimator | heh |
| 02:02:02 | daurnimator | JdGordon: they did |
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| 02:02:38 | daurnimator | you haven't played doom on a portable till you've played it on mine |
| 02:02:41 | daurnimator | hey JdGordon ;) |
| 02:02:53 | JdGordon | :) |
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| 02:07:38 | BiptoN | linuxstb: i have yet succeeded in loading apple_os.ipod yet, i tried both methods the supported and unsupported one |
| 02:08:47 | BiptoN | the bootloader gets to "apple_os.ipod loaded" then reboots |
| 02:09:24 | Mikachu | does it save time not having it in the bootloader image? |
| 02:10:03 | ze | are there wince-MIPS builds of the sim so i can have rockbox on my pda? :p |
| 02:10:08 | daurnimator | linuxstb: got your av300 yet? |
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| 02:10:20 | daurnimator | btw, what is the issue with the 30vs80 models? |
| 02:10:22 | Mikachu | ze: doubt it :) |
| 02:10:31 | daurnimator | - can you put a 80gb hdd in a 30gb and have it work? |
| 02:10:39 | daurnimator | can you put a 30gb in a 80gb? |
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| 02:11:20 | amiconn | Afawk the issue is the disk |
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| 02:12:15 | amiconn | So if you put the 30GB disk into an 80GB model it would probably work, while putting the 80GB disk into a 30GB model it probably won't work |
| 02:13:27 | daurnimator | but can't you put the 80gb in other players? (iriver h340?) |
| 02:13:40 | amiconn | No you can't (different connector) |
| 02:13:42 | Llorean | daurnimator: They're ZIF connectors |
| 02:13:53 | amiconn | And if you could, it wouldn't work as well |
| 02:13:54 | Llorean | BiptoN: That feature used to work for me on the iPod Nano, at least. |
| 02:13:57 | ZenMasterJG | hey all. I'm in a software engineering class this semester, and we're to do a semester long project to develop some software. Me & my group were thinking of making an iTunes-like application, designed to work & sync with rockbox, as well as providing a simple RockBox installer & all the other usual iTunes features. Anyone think thats a good idea, or if there are similar projects out there I just haven't heard of? |
| 02:14:13 | ZenMasterJG | (whoops, that came out longer then I expected. Sorry.) |
| 02:14:18 | amiconn | We do know now what causes the problem, but we don't have a fix yet |
| 02:14:27 | Mikachu | ZenMasterJG: i think you could do something more useful :) |
| 02:14:37 | amiconn | Some work in the fat driver and/or ata driver is necessary |
| 02:14:42 | BiptoN | llorean: it won't boot from the boot partition either |
| 02:14:44 | BiptoN | hmm |
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| 02:14:55 | daurnimator | ZenMasterJG: depends, what gui kit will you use |
| 02:14:58 | BiptoN | oh well, nothin really worth usin in the apple os anyhoot |
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| 02:15:15 | ZenMasterJG | daurnimator: it'll be written in python, using Tk, probably |
| 02:15:20 | daurnimator | then no |
| 02:15:38 | ZenMasterJG | we're still drafting the proposal, so details are still up in the air |
| 02:15:47 | ZenMasterJG | daurnimator: no, its not a good idea, or no, theres nothing similar? |
| 02:16:05 | ZenMasterJG | Mikachu: eh, it sounds like a fun way to spend a semester though ;) |
| 02:16:18 | Llorean | ZenMasterJG: There's already an official installer somewhat in the works. |
| 02:16:43 | Llorean | But "iTunes" like features that integrate with the Rockbox database is something that nobody's done, I believe. |
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| 02:17:49 | ZenMasterJG | Llorean: cool. If that installer comes out, i suppose we can just package it in, or slice out ours, since it'll all be GPLed |
| 02:19:17 | ZenMasterJG | also, if we we're to call this software iRock, how long do you think it would be before we got sued? ;) |
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| 02:19:42 | JdGordon | you wont... but that name sux :D |
| 02:20:09 | ZenMasterJG | ya think? I thought it was funny. Got any better ideas? we were all scratching our heads over what to call it |
| 02:20:40 | JdGordon | thats one of the sucky parts of the soft eng proccess :p |
| 02:22:04 | ZenMasterJG | indeed |
| 02:22:30 | ZenMasterJG | having a team that was half python fanatics and half perl junkies was pretty amusing too |
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| 02:23:21 | zefie | boo @ Bagder |
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| 02:24:31 | safetydan | ZenMasterJG, then you need to write it in Parrot |
| 02:24:42 | safetydan | keep the python and the perl people happy |
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| 02:26:28 | daurnimator | no, uts not a good idea |
| 02:26:51 | ZenMasterJG | daurnimator: why not? |
| 02:27:11 | daurnimator | Tk is just.... not nice |
| 02:27:37 | perldiver | ZenMasterJG ROCKplayer |
| 02:28:11 | ZenMasterJG | daurnimator: we were thinking about taking a stab at wxPython, but none of us have used it before. |
| 02:28:22 | daurnimator | Qt is always nice |
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| 02:28:47 | km | Oookay.. lol. So apparently I have no volume. ;p |
| 02:29:06 | km | Oh, and I'm stuck in RockDOOM's sound settings menu. |
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| 02:30:46 | ZenMasterJG | daurnimator: Qt is nice, it just always felt like too much overhead to me. Learning Qt is pretty involved, whereas Tk is fairly simple. So especially w/ 2 non-python developers, it could be tricky. |
| 02:31:10 | ZenMasterJG | We haven't really decided yet, but I guess we'll have to get together some time and evaluate all the options |
| 02:31:21 | daurnimator | you can learn qt in a week or so |
| 02:32:08 | ZenMasterJG | yeah, I've barely played with it. I'll have to look again |
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| 02:32:47 | safetydan | There's always .NET/Mono and Java :) |
| 02:33:03 | daurnimator | theres also lua/IUP |
| 02:33:04 | daurnimator | ;) |
| 02:34:32 | ZenMasterJG | lol |
| 02:34:35 | km | Anyone have any idea why I have no volume? Or is RockDOOM even supposed to have sound? |
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| 02:35:09 | ZenMasterJG | we're all Java programmers, and we all decided as a group we'd rather try and swollow razorwire then deal with Swing if it can be avoided ;) |
| 02:36:13 | safetydan | Swing's not that bad. SWT's nice if you really can't stand Swing. |
| 02:36:37 | safetydan | Java 6 made a huge difference to speed of GUI apps if that's a concern. |
| 02:38:14 | safetydan | ZenMasterJG, on a more practical note, I believe the current rockbox installer gui is written with wxWindows so maybe consider using that. |
| 02:39:34 | ZenMasterJG | safetydan: Swing isn't that bad, its just the way some people write swing that makes me want to vomit. My last java job involved dealing with the old intern's totally stupid hand-crufted Swing code for the better part of 4 months |
| 02:40:36 | ZenMasterJG | safetydan: and i'll look into the installer. Is there anything about it on the rockbox site? I poked around and didn't see anything, but with the way some stuff is organized on there, that doesn't mean that much |
| 02:41:23 | daurnimator | ZenMasterJG: i'm telling you that qt should be your choice |
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| 02:41:28 | daurnimator | arg |
| 02:41:35 | daurnimator | my head is muddled |
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| 02:41:44 | daurnimator | rearrange that however you want |
| 02:41:56 | safetydan | ZenMasterJG, the code is in SVN. http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/rbutil/ |
| 02:42:09 | ZenMasterJG | safetydan: nice, thanks |
| 02:43:12 | ZenMasterJG | daurnimator: We'll certainly look at it. Like i said, i'm just finishing drafting up the proposal, so we've got plenty of time to review the options and decide as a group |
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| 02:43:56 | daurnimator | maybe do it in C as well? python isn't great :P |
| 02:44:41 | ZenMasterJG | lol |
| 02:45:36 | ZenMasterJG | we <3 python, and its great for a lot of things... just not performace. If we run into performace problems, i'll just re-write those bits in C ;) |
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| 02:52:07 | safetydan | in case anyone is doing extensive searching of the rockbox source: grep -r −−exclude=.svn −−include=*.[c\|h] <pattern> <rockbox-src-dir> |
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| 02:58:25 | BiGRED84 | i have a question about the font converter |
| 02:58:49 | tanq | what is tools/songdb.pl a part of? |
| 02:59:22 | BiGRED84 | hello |
| 02:59:37 | tanq | i'm really just having a problem where the database keeps saying not ready.. |
| 02:59:52 | tanq | i looked in the database.tmp.tcd file and it appears that all of the songs are indexed |
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| 03:00:26 | BiGRED84 | sorry |
| 03:00:37 | BiGRED84 | take along time for what u type to show up |
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| 03:06:15 | TerrorByte | Can anyone tell me why my iRiver H10 20GB doesn't recognize .m2v files anymore? |
| 03:06:16 | TerrorByte | Was there a change? |
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| 03:06:53 | dan_a | Yes. Sound got added |
| 03:07:27 | TerrorByte | You're freaking kidding. |
| 03:07:31 | TerrorByte | Are you serious? |
| 03:07:42 | TerrorByte | What's the extension and method required now? |
| 03:08:20 | dan_a | It's all in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/fresh/Main/PluginMpegplayer :) |
| 03:10:27 | TerrorByte | WOW. |
| 03:10:28 | TerrorByte | It plays .mpg files. |
| 03:10:36 | TerrorByte | AWESOME. |
| 03:12:50 | TerrorByte | Wow, this is phenomenal. |
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| 03:15:55 | TerrorByte | Lol, you said it so casually. |
| 03:16:08 | TerrorByte | "Yes. Sound got added" |
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| 03:18:38 | elcasey | good evening...anyone have time to try to help me with an installation issue? |
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| 03:24:55 | TerrorByte | How come the batch file isn't working. |
| 03:25:01 | TerrorByte | This is what I'm trying: |
| 03:25:12 | TerrorByte | "C:\Progra~1\VideoLAN\vlc.exe" %1 vlc <input> vlc <input> vlc <input> −−sout=#transcode{vcodec=mp2v,vb=300,width=%WIDTH%,height=%HEIGHT%,acodec=mp3,ab=128,samplerate=44100}:std{access-video=file,mux=ps,dst-video=<filename>.mpg} |
| 03:25:29 | pixelma | elcasey: it's better if you ask right away :) - someone who knows might see it and can answer |
| 03:25:33 | TerrorByte | Ugh. |
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| 03:25:38 | TerrorByte | Whoops. |
| 03:25:43 | midgey | dan_a: any idea which button is mapped to hold on the sims? |
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| 03:27:30 | TerrorByte | Guys. |
| 03:27:44 | TerrorByte | The batch file for VLC Player on the PluginMpegplayer is not updated. |
| 03:28:45 | midgey | that command you just typed creates an mpeg video with mpeg 2 video stream and mp3 audio stream |
| 03:29:14 | TerrorByte | Yes. |
| 03:31:17 | TerrorByte | Doesn't seem to be working. |
| 03:31:24 | TerrorByte | It starts to create some random older file. |
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| 03:36:21 | TerrorByte | Okay. |
| 03:36:30 | TerrorByte | Why am I not able to use VLCPlayer to convert? |
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| 03:39:13 | TerrorByte | Wow, Elephant's Dream runs at 10 FPS. |
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| 03:42:04 | TerrorByte | Ouch |
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| 03:43:54 | max_gamming | hey, maybe u guys get this alot, but i just started with rockbox, were do i download the video plugin, so i can watch video on my gigabeat f20 |
| 03:44:31 | midgey | max_gamming: mpegplayer comes with rockbox, you dont need to download anything |
| 03:45:28 | max_gamming | oh really, lol.. |
| 03:45:39 | max_gamming | i feel stupid |
| 03:46:07 | midgey | a lot of people ask the same question, especially if they read the article in popular science |
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| 03:48:28 | max_gamming | so it supports only mpeg and only for files under 30mbs? |
| 03:48:51 | midgey | mpeg 2 video, mp3 audio at 44.1 kHz |
| 03:49:04 | midgey | there should be a limit on size |
| 03:49:24 | TerrorByte | There's a file limit for the Gigabeat? |
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| 03:49:27 | midgey | s/should/shouldn't |
| 03:49:41 | midgey | TerrorByte: No, I mistyped |
| 03:49:57 | TerrorByte | Alright. |
| 03:49:59 | max_gamming | oh ok.. thanks.. i just wasnt sure because i keeped reading things saying that it had a 30mb file limit |
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| 04:29:45 | midgey | Llorean: care to try the newest rockboy patch on your nano? unscaled mode wont freeze anymore |
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| 04:56:18 | tanq | ok so i just ran songdb.pl and it created 7 tcd files from two songs |
| 04:56:38 | tanq | i thought it was supposed to create one database |
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| 05:08:22 | Llorean | tanq: The database is several files |
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| 05:18:58 | tanq | yeah songdb.pl is slow as well. |
| 05:19:01 | tanq | arg.. |
| 05:19:28 | tanq | i'm trying to tweak it.. maybe i can speed it up |
| 05:19:30 | * | tanq shrugs |
| 05:20:44 | Llorean | I don't really use database, but the few times I have I've just made it on-target |
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| 05:33:03 | JdGordon_ | daurnimator mate, you bored? |
| 05:33:53 | daurn|zaurus | a bit |
| 05:34:33 | JdGordon_ | anyone wanna help me with some mind numbing "coding" that needs to be done? I have to put a LANG_ id into each item in settings_list.c (about 200 of them), ive done about 30 :p |
| 05:34:50 | daurnimator | use a regex? |
| 05:35:16 | JdGordon_ | nope.. |
| 05:35:43 | JdGordon_ | the lang id needs to be chosen from english.lang, and here is no regex would make that even half workable |
| 05:39:16 | daurnimator | what you doing for oz day? |
| 05:39:23 | JdGordon_ | nothing :p |
| 05:39:41 | JdGordon_ | sitting here, doing this boring hacking which is stopping my compile from working :p |
| 05:39:44 | JdGordon_ | u? |
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| 05:41:41 | * | JdGordon_ is gong to chuck a mental when a text-to-speech engine is implemented making the lang id's redundant :p |
| 05:43:52 | z35 | /j #gentoo |
| 05:46:18 | * | JdGordon_ assumes almost noone uses the player anymore... |
| 05:46:35 | JdGordon_ | no one has mentioned the 2 settings not saving that I just found are missing |
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| 05:52:26 | triplah_ | here is a patch to get rockbox ipods working in quodlibet if anyone is interested |
| 05:52:29 | triplah_ | http://dpn.name |
| 05:55:21 | daurnimator | i'm doing... nothing |
| 05:56:57 | * | Llorean doesn't even know what quodlibet is, and goes reading |
| 05:57:22 | | Quit ZenMasterJG (Remote closed the connection) |
| 05:57:22 | daurnimator | crap media player on linux |
| 05:58:55 | Llorean | I don't even use PC-based media players for anything other than someone saying "Hey, my friends and I just recorded this song, listen to it" |
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| 06:00:27 | * | JdGordon_ wonders how me so far missed 4 settings from the config block vars :p |
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| 06:01:46 | JdGordon_ | LANG_BOOKMARK_SETTINGS_MAINTAIN_RECENT_BOOKMARKS <- nice n short :p |
| 06:04:08 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 06:06:40 | triplah_ | daurnimator: how's it crap? |
| 06:06:47 | daurnimator | ? |
| 06:06:49 | daurnimator | oh |
| 06:06:51 | triplah_ | quodlibet |
| 06:07:00 | daurnimator | forget now |
| 06:07:07 | triplah_ | haha |
| 06:07:08 | daurnimator | but was low on list of media players |
| 06:07:21 | daurnimator | i tried all the linux ones |
| 06:07:26 | triplah_ | i dont get that, it's pretty nifty |
| 06:07:28 | daurnimator | all were pretty unpolished |
| 06:07:34 | triplah_ | i converted from banshee/rhythmbox |
| 06:07:48 | daurnimator | maybe it was lack of codec support? |
| 06:07:56 | daurnimator | or not supporting album artist tag? |
| 06:08:16 | triplah_ | quodlibet uses tags heavily, and supports any codec i've come accross, including aac |
| 06:08:32 | daurnimator | oh well |
| 06:08:33 | triplah_ | its tagging util is awesome too |
| 06:08:40 | daurnimator | i've moved to windows and foobar now |
| 06:08:45 | triplah_ | its reinspired me to tag my whole lib properly |
| 06:08:57 | triplah_ | ah yeah, foobar would be what i'd use on windows |
| 06:10:18 | daurnimator | i'm not totally satisfised |
| 06:10:28 | daurnimator | i've thought about coding my own numerous times |
| 06:10:33 | daurnimator | but... so much effort |
| 06:10:40 | triplah_ | yeah totally |
| 06:10:52 | triplah_ | i like the plugin system with QL too |
| 06:10:54 | daurnimator | thinking of taking an easy way out with streams, but, still alot of effort |
| 06:10:55 | triplah_ | so easy to extend |
| 06:11:37 | daurnimator | heh |
| 06:11:43 | daurnimator | foobar is crap without columns ui |
| 06:11:48 | daurnimator | alot of people get turned off |
| 06:12:11 | triplah_ | ahh yeah fully |
| 06:12:34 | triplah_ | was wondering what bothered me from the screenies |
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| 06:12:41 | daurnimator | ? |
| 06:12:41 | triplah_ | the multiple playlists thing is cool though |
| 06:12:45 | daurnimator | very |
| 06:12:58 | daurnimator | each search you do makes a new playlist with the search results |
| 06:13:14 | triplah_ | i looked at the foobar website - something didnt seem right about the gui... nw i know what it was, no columns |
| 06:14:16 | triplah_ | that search is cool |
| 06:14:18 | Llorean | I actually rather like just the vanilla foobar. |
| 06:14:24 | triplah_ | otherone require you to select the results and ake a list |
| 06:14:28 | triplah_ | other ones* |
| 06:14:30 | Llorean | But then, as I said, my needs are simple. |
| 06:14:39 | Llorean | Either way, this is straying somewhat from the purpose of the channel. |
| 06:15:02 | triplah_ | sorry |
| 06:17:11 | daurnimator | heh |
| 06:17:16 | daurnimator | i've been in here for 6 months |
| 06:17:24 | daurnimator | and have only used rockbox for about an hour |
| 06:24:59 | Roan | Does anyone know the origin of the Chicago font included with Rockbox. Everywhere I check points to it being created by Apple for there early OS's. How is it included with the fonts package? |
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| 06:26:25 | tamacracker | Uh... I think my RockBox on my Toshiba has a bug >.> |
| 06:27:19 | tamacracker | Can anyone help me out? |
| 06:27:44 | Llorean | tamacracker: Not unless you tell us what problem you're having |
| 06:27:58 | tamacracker | Basically I have an album that's in MP3 format |
| 06:28:14 | tamacracker | and I try to copy the folder into my music folder of my mp3 player |
| 06:28:22 | tamacracker | first it tells me it's not allowed. |
| 06:28:43 | tamacracker | So I tried to be slick, create a new folder name it the artist's name.. then drag the mp3s into it. |
| 06:29:15 | tamacracker | After I do this, the folder becomes discolored (this is on linux), I take the USB cord off of it, and the album is in my mp3 player |
| 06:29:31 | tamacracker | but... it wont play them, it skips the album and goes straight to the next album on the list. |
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| 06:30:19 | Llorean | tamacracker: Did you properly eject your player? |
| 06:30:24 | tamacracker | I plug the usb cord back onto it, and it's still dim. Then I check the properties, and it claims taht those specific mp3s are 0 bytes |
| 06:30:30 | tamacracker | yep |
| 06:30:37 | Roan | tamacracker: it sounds like a permissions problem. |
| 06:30:46 | tamacracker | nah |
| 06:30:47 | tamacracker | because |
| 06:30:50 | tamacracker | i tried another album |
| 06:30:54 | tamacracker | and that had no problem what so ever. |
| 06:31:18 | tamacracker | the album that im havin a problem with, plays perfectly on Amarok and I also burned them onto a CD.. so it's not the MP3s. |
| 06:31:56 | tamacracker | check this out, I delete the album (folder) |
| 06:31:59 | tamacracker | and recreate another one |
| 06:32:03 | tamacracker | and for some reason |
| 06:32:05 | tamacracker | it's still dim. |
| 06:32:20 | tamacracker | as if it knows the album im tryin to install onto it before i even do it <,< |
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| 06:33:05 | tamacracker | ill take a screen shot |
| 06:33:07 | tamacracker | to show you |
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| 06:33:33 | Roan | Have you tried making a copy of the directory and then moving the copied directory to your Toshiba |
| 06:33:46 | tamacracker | yep |
| 06:33:55 | tamacracker | i tried highlighting all mp3s |
| 06:34:01 | tamacracker | and copy them onto the folder |
| 06:34:12 | tamacracker | and i tried copying the whole folder with the mp3s in it |
| 06:34:15 | tamacracker | onto the toshiba |
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| 06:34:24 | tamacracker | and it still doesn't like that specific album |
| 06:35:04 | Roan | You've tried unmounting the player and remounting it? |
| 06:35:07 | JdGordon_ | woot! im done |
| 06:35:13 | tamacracker | yes |
| 06:35:22 | tamacracker | this is the error i get when tryin to copy: Could not make folder /media/GIGABEAT/My Music/Hip Hop/Saigon/The Best Of Saigon Vol. 2: On The Go Back. |
| 06:36:03 | Llorean | Ave you tried using a shorter folder name? |
| 06:36:22 | tamacracker | yep right now i renamed it to On The Go Back |
| 06:36:37 | tamacracker | whoa... |
| 06:36:41 | tamacracker | ok.. |
| 06:36:46 | tamacracker | now it did it without a problem |
| 06:36:51 | tamacracker | im gonna see if they'll play now. |
| 06:37:08 | tamacracker | what i assume is... it either doesn't like long folder names or colon |
| 06:37:12 | tamacracker | : <- that |
| 06:37:35 | Llorean | Well, I don't believe :s are allowed in filenames on Fat32... |
| 06:37:43 | * | Llorean didn't see the colon in there. |
| 06:37:57 | tamacracker | ah i see |
| 06:38:08 | tamacracker | yeah so it might just be the ":" |
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| 06:38:19 | Llorean | Well, the : is very definitely A problem. |
| 06:38:22 | Llorean | Possibly the only one. |
| 06:39:55 | tamacracker | wow |
| 06:40:00 | tamacracker | beautiful |
| 06:40:08 | tamacracker | yes Llorean |
| 06:40:12 | tamacracker | that's exactly what it was |
| 06:40:17 | tamacracker | it's the ":" |
| 06:40:24 | tamacracker | it cannot be used in the file name |
| 06:40:26 | midkay | yay, we should get new brickmania bitmaps tonight.. finally.. :) |
| 06:40:52 | Llorean | midkay: Mine including a titlescreen that doesn't go all wonky on the gigabeat while you're at it? |
| 06:40:55 | tamacracker | Llorean lol thanks for your time :P |
| 06:41:17 | Llorean | midkay: I think it uses a much too small image, but tries to fill the whole screen. You get a lot of semi-randomly colored data |
| 06:41:31 | midkay | Llorean: gotcha.. i'll have a look at that. |
| 06:41:41 | midkay | working on 5G support now, it should work, just need to test.. compiling. |
| 06:42:03 | Llorean | I mean, I imagine it's a relatively simple fix, either set proper bounds, or make a 240x320 image with a black fill for the rest of it. :) |
| 06:42:14 | midkay | that'll be easy enough :) |
| 06:42:29 | midkay | ohhh yeaah... 5G fullscreen baby.. :D |
| 06:42:54 | midkay | better play it a bit though. i recall it looked fine and worked fine on level 1 last time i tried this, but level 2 didn't work or something.. |
| 06:43:00 | midkay | too bad i suck at this game :) |
| 06:43:10 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 06:43:15 | Llorean | The game's kinda easy on the Gigabeat. |
| 06:43:18 | Llorean | Because the screen is so tall. |
| 06:43:46 | midkay | yeah, makes sense.. it's a bit harder with large bitmaps on the 5G actually. |
| 06:44:41 | midkay | gaaaaah. |
| 06:44:46 | midkay | it's happening agaiiin... |
| 06:45:11 | midkay | hmm. |
| 06:45:30 | midkay | i think it must be a bug in the collision detection or something. level 2 draws fine, but the bottom row or so of bitmaps aren't affected by the ball. |
| 06:45:46 | midkay | maybe because they're considerably larger and thus stick down farther than the 220x176 ones. |
| 06:47:16 | midkay | good lord, talk about confusing code. |
| 06:49:44 | midkay | aha, i think i found the culprit.. |
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| 06:54:42 | | Part Llorean |
| 06:55:27 | midkay | Paprica! |
| 06:55:30 | midkay | i neeeed you./ |
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| 06:56:04 | perldiver | what are the upcoming menu changes? |
| 06:56:16 | * | scorche hands midkay some of the red stuff |
| 06:56:31 | tamacracker | Hey Llorean? |
| 06:56:41 | midkay | scorche: ?! :E |
| 06:56:54 | scorche | red stuff = paprika |
| 06:56:55 | tamacracker | does my Toshiba now play .avi movie file? |
| 06:57:00 | scorche | no |
| 06:57:03 | tamacracker | boooo |
| 06:57:05 | tamacracker | ok |
| 06:57:09 | tamacracker | will it ever? or no? |
| 06:57:12 | scorche | boooo? |
| 06:57:18 | tamacracker | lol don't mind me :P |
| 06:57:31 | scorche | it isnt like we havent implemented it for spite |
| 06:57:38 | tamacracker | no i understand |
| 06:57:41 | midkay | haha. |
| 06:58:13 | midkay | argh, maybe i did fix it.. i changed the code, did NOT recompile, recopied the same rock to my ipod, spent ten minutes beating the first level to find it didn't work, then discovered i didn't recompile. |
| 06:58:18 | tamacracker | i wanna be able to watch afro samurai on my mp3 player and brag about it to my friend lol |
| 06:58:34 | tamacracker | lol midkay |
| 06:58:45 | midkay | this is such crap.. :) |
| 06:58:54 | midkay | *plays the first level again unhappily* |
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| 07:00:31 | tamacracker | scorche, do you know if it'll ever be able to play .avi files? |
| 07:00:37 | safetydan | cripes, that settings block needs some whitespace |
| 07:00:46 | scorche | it is possible.. |
| 07:00:47 | tamacracker | im tryin to find the page where it tells us what files it can play :x |
| 07:00:56 | tamacracker | that would be nice scorche :P |
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| 07:02:04 | midkay | sigh, my fix half-works. |
| 07:03:10 | | Part Roan |
| 07:06:14 | midkay | aha, i think i nailed it.. *retests* |
| 07:07:37 | midkay | YES! |
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| 07:14:15 | JdGordon_ | perldiver: its a secret :D |
| 07:14:21 | | Nick JdGordon_ is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) |
| 07:14:23 | perldiver | ha ok |
| 07:14:52 | midkay | JdGordon: spill the beans, i wanna know! |
| 07:15:08 | tamacracker | oh wow |
| 07:15:17 | tamacracker | the most updated rockbox is waaaaay to buggy |
| 07:15:50 | perldiver | somehow i doubt its rockbox |
| 07:16:03 | tamacracker | naw i just now replaced my existing files |
| 07:16:07 | tamacracker | from my old rock box |
| 07:16:10 | tamacracker | and this new one is horrible. |
| 07:16:32 | tamacracker | the splash screen is screwy and the songs are skipping |
| 07:16:46 | perldiver | well that one is easy |
| 07:16:51 | perldiver | you need a new bootloader |
| 07:17:23 | tamacracker | i went here |
| 07:17:25 | tamacracker | http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
| 07:17:30 | tamacracker | and downloaded the latest. |
| 07:17:45 | perldiver | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort |
| 07:17:49 | perldiver | the very bottom |
| 07:17:51 | tamacracker | i copied the files that are in the zip into my Gigabeat folder, and over written my old rock box files |
| 07:17:55 | tamacracker | ok |
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| 07:19:21 | tamacracker | do i need to copy all 3? |
| 07:19:24 | max_gamming | hey, can any one help me out in installing Rockbox? I followed the instructions on the manual file, but i dont think im doing something right because it doesnt load. |
| 07:19:24 | tamacracker | or just the .DAT file? |
| 07:19:36 | perldiver | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/GigabeatFXPort?rev=4;filename=bootloader.zip |
| 07:19:39 | perldiver | this one |
| 07:20:25 | perldiver | the .raw file goes to root |
| 07:20:35 | tamacracker | how bout the .dat file? |
| 07:21:17 | perldiver | . /gbsystem/fwimg |
| 07:21:55 | tamacracker | ok |
| 07:22:05 | tamacracker | then hit battery off switch |
| 07:22:10 | tamacracker | after shuttin it off |
| 07:22:11 | perldiver | yep |
| 07:22:14 | tamacracker | then turn the switch back on |
| 07:22:21 | tamacracker | and turn the mp3 player back on, yes? |
| 07:22:21 | perldiver | yep |
| 07:22:25 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK perldiver |
| 07:22:25 | perldiver | yep |
| 07:22:57 | max_gamming | ohhh so thats what i was doing wrong.. i dint switch the actual switch |
| 07:24:07 | tamacracker | lol |
| 07:24:23 | max_gamming | how do you do a dual boot.. so i can also run the original firmware if i wanted too.. could u help me out with that? |
| 07:24:54 | tamacracker | ooo |
| 07:25:01 | tamacracker | i like the new splash screen |
| 07:25:04 | tamacracker | and now it loads faster |
| 07:25:06 | tamacracker | wooohooo |
| 07:25:49 | tamacracker | wow |
| 07:25:49 | tamacracker | beautiful job guys |
| 07:26:14 | tamacracker | ill make sure to donate to you guys |
| 07:26:20 | tamacracker | hopefully it helps you guys out |
| 07:26:25 | perldiver | max_gamming theres no dual boot option as of now |
| 07:26:50 | max_gamming | aww.. |
| 07:26:53 | max_gamming | lol |
| 07:27:02 | perldiver | why on earth do you need it |
| 07:27:08 | perldiver | on gigabeat |
| 07:27:14 | max_gamming | cuz it looks kool? |
| 07:27:24 | perldiver | what does? |
| 07:27:44 | max_gamming | the icons |
| 07:27:51 | max_gamming | instead of just text |
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| 07:29:31 | perldiver | max_gamming |
| 07:29:32 | perldiver | try this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGigabeatF |
| 07:31:02 | max_gamming | awesome! nvm then |
| 07:31:04 | max_gamming | haha |
| 07:33:37 | tamacracker | peridiver |
| 07:33:44 | tamacracker | this may sound like a really dumb question |
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| 07:34:00 | tamacracker | but where's the option where the song fades out, and the next song fades in? |
| 07:34:17 | tamacracker | i thought it was in the sound settings |
| 07:34:41 | tamacracker | is it cross feed? |
| 07:35:36 | midkay | crossfade, general settings -> playback |
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| 07:37:28 | tamacracker | woohoo |
| 07:37:31 | tamacracker | thanks midkay |
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| 07:37:38 | midkay | no prob |
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| 07:38:18 | tamacracker | let me tell you, it's runnin a lot faster now |
| 07:38:31 | perldiver | tamacracker reading the manual really helps as well :P |
| 07:38:35 | tamacracker | it's not hesitating when i go throw tracks or menus |
| 07:38:43 | tamacracker | and it starts up faster ;P |
| 07:38:55 | tamacracker | yeah lol i am right now perldiver :P |
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| 07:40:20 | tamacracker | i like the crossfeed :P |
| 07:40:25 | tamacracker | very nice option |
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| 07:42:11 | amiconn | morning |
| 07:44:08 | tamacracker | mornin amiconn :P |
| 07:44:23 | amiconn | JdGordon: Your conclusion was a bit quick. The fact that no player owner complained doesn't mean that there are no more player users. It's just that rockbox on the archoses is very stable, so normal users don't upgrade often |
| 07:44:40 | amiconn | I guess that most of them still run 2.5 |
| 07:45:22 | tamacracker | i just upgraded |
| 07:45:27 | tamacracker | and im HIGHLY satisfied. |
| 07:46:00 | amiconn | You're using an archos Player? |
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| 07:46:34 | tamacracker | I'm readin the file formats and I notice that there isn't a video/movie file format in the list. I'm assuming as of now it cannot play back videos? |
| 07:46:44 | amiconn | JdGordon: Oh, and you pushed the v1 over the edge again... I wonder why |
| 07:46:45 | tamacracker | No, sorry amiconn, I'm using Toshiba |
| 07:47:13 | amiconn | I was talking about JdGordon's comment earlier |
| 07:47:29 | amiconn | [05:46:19] * JdGordon_ assumes almost noone uses the player anymore... |
| 07:47:29 | amiconn | [05:46:32] <JdGordon_> no one has mentioned the 2 settings not saving that I just found are missing |
| 07:47:42 | tamacracker | i see |
| 07:47:50 | amiconn | (2 hours ago incase you're in a different tz) |
| 07:48:00 | tamacracker | yeh florida, usa here |
| 07:48:20 | tamacracker | perldiver, question for you, as of now the Toshiba F series does not play movies? |
| 07:48:29 | safetydan | tamacracker, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 07:48:48 | tamacracker | sweet |
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| 07:49:42 | amiconn | Ah, looks like it's the lang id |
| 07:50:46 | amiconn | JdGordon: You could have added the lang id to the settings list in preparation for the next steps, but without actually adding them to the struct, i.e. just ignore the macro parameter |
| 07:51:10 | tamacracker | oh, so it's best just to be patient about the movie playback |
| 07:52:29 | safetydan | tamacracker, from what I hear it's usable, especially on the gigabeat |
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| 07:52:59 | tamacracker | would it be able to play a full 2 hour movie, for example? |
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| 07:53:13 | safetydan | don't know about that |
| 07:53:17 | tamacracker | yeah |
| 07:53:24 | tamacracker | maybe music videos |
| 07:53:28 | tamacracker | as of now |
| 07:53:29 | safetydan | but who watches a two hour movie on a dap? |
| 07:53:35 | tamacracker | ha |
| 07:53:40 | tamacracker | i would just because i could haha |
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| 07:53:52 | amiconn | safetydan: I once did, on the archos recorder... |
| 07:54:22 | amiconn | ...watch an even longer movie: LoTR part 1 |
| 07:54:30 | tamacracker | damn |
| 07:54:32 | tamacracker | lol |
| 07:54:55 | safetydan | I can only imagine the eyestrain that would cause. Isn't rvf playback a little grainy? |
| 07:55:26 | amiconn | It is. Depends on the temperature though |
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| 07:57:34 | JdGordon | amiconn: it was over the edge already anyway wasnt it.. just now gcc wont build it... |
| 07:57:34 | safetydan | oh dear, JdGordon's last update ate 600 bytes of my lang cleanup savings |
| 07:57:54 | JdGordon | I know, but the problem was that 3/4 of the settings dont use a macro... |
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| 08:12:17 | amiconn | Hmmmm, I thought they did... |
| 08:12:25 | webguest37 | Hi. Are there any plugins that show how to use pcm_init_recording, pcm_record_data? Do these functions work? I'm running on an iAudio X5. |
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| 08:14:55 | midkay | hey all, quick opinion search.. current brickmania pads: http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/9774/brickmaniapads220x176x1ku2.png |
| 08:15:12 | midkay | proposed new pads (slightly larger, ignore that): http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2365/brickmaniapads320x240x1tl8.png |
| 08:15:12 | midkay | any thoughts? |
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| 08:16:03 | Llorean | midkay: I personally like the old discrete bumpers, but the new glue. |
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| 08:16:24 | JerryLange | hello everyone |
| 08:16:32 | midkay | cool, just the kind of feedback i wanted, thanks :) |
| 08:16:33 | amiconn | morning LinusN :) |
| 08:16:49 | amiconn | Again using the crappy bouncer? (or what that was) |
| 08:16:58 | JerryLange | i have a question about what ipod linux says about rockbox. |
| 08:16:58 | Llorean | midkay: If there's one thing I like, it's telling people my opinion on things. Hehe. |
| 08:17:08 | midkay | Llorean: haha, fun it is :) |
| 08:17:41 | LinusN | amiconn: no, i just closed the wrong window |
| 08:17:48 | JerryLange | ipod linux says this on there 5.5 page. |
| 08:17:58 | JerryLange | Rockbox |
| 08:17:59 | JerryLange | iPodPatcher has been updated to make firmware partitions that ca |
| 08:18:01 | JerryLange | n load the Apple OS. You can now install Rockbox using http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta. |
| 08:18:19 | JerryLange | i didnt think rockbox ran on the 5.5gen yet? |
| 08:18:37 | LinusN | JerryLange: it runs on the 30GB 5.5G |
| 08:18:46 | LinusN | but not the 80gb |
| 08:19:11 | JerryLange | oh yes. sorry forgot. but they dont really say what version it runs on. this should be corrected. |
| 08:19:22 | Llorean | JerryLange: It's their page. Our page makes it perfectly clear. |
| 08:20:01 | Llorean | If it's a wiki page of theirs that says it though, you could go ahead and clear that up. |
| 08:20:09 | JerryLange | yes i know. ive been reading alot about the progress (what progress there is) of the 5.5g 80gig. |
| 08:22:42 | midkay | Llorean: how about these? http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/3901/brickmaniapads320x240x1vm8.png |
| 08:23:05 | midkay | they're defined bumpers but also cast a quite slight glow onto the paddle.. |
| 08:23:08 | Llorean | midkay: That I like. |
| 08:23:35 | midkay | i think that would look cool on-target (it's kinda hard to tell on white).. *tests* |
| 08:23:40 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 08:24:03 | Llorean | Oh, this seems something that needs to be called attention to: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8444.0 |
| 08:25:24 | Llorean | Wikipedia at least reinforces that it's currently copyrighted. |
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| 08:27:59 | JerryLange | so would it have to be removed from the fonts pack? |
| 08:27:59 | midkay | Llorean: wow, i think they look great. thanks again for your thoughts. :) i had struggled to come up with a way for them to seem actually illuminated, not just kind of a solid blue.. the subtle glow really seems to do the trick. |
| 08:28:22 | Llorean | JerryLange: Depends on what the actual license is on the font. |
| 08:29:12 | amiconn | hmm..... |
| 08:29:40 | amiconn | tomal wasn't right that mpa.codec is the same when building with -Os instead of -O |
| 08:29:53 | amiconn | But it's not smaller either, in fact it's 72 bytes larger |
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| 08:30:20 | LinusN | i wouldn't cry a single second if we removed chicago |
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| 08:30:38 | LinusN | it's a lousy 7-bit font |
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| 08:32:09 | JerryLange | neither would i but some users like it |
| 08:32:47 | Llorean | It's in a lot of themes, but that's hardly a reason to keep it if it shouldn't be included |
| 08:33:29 | Llorean | There's an awful lot of fonts at rasher's site, we could just stick in a similarly sized one. |
| 08:34:05 | LinusN | JerryLange: xtal and nimbus have the same look |
| 08:34:43 | JerryLange | could you give a link so i can look oat the fonts? to see how similar they are? |
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| 08:35:06 | LinusN | JerryLange: you don't have your player with you? |
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| 08:35:25 | Llorean | Oddly enough nimbus12 is slightly smaller, and nimbus14 is slightly taller. |
| 08:35:39 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 08:35:39 | * | GodEater kicks the forums to make them go faster |
| 08:35:46 | Llorean | Neither nimbus nor xtal as they stand will work with existing themes. |
| 08:36:01 | JerryLange | no i dont. sorry |
| 08:37:07 | Llorean | Apparently Chicago is a 13, despite what it says. |
| 08:38:06 | midkay | haha, "a 13". |
| 08:41:05 | Llorean | My current theme just happened to be using Chicago. |
| 08:41:47 | GodEater | when did the word "like" become punctuation ? |
| 08:42:01 | Llorean | Like, ages ago man. |
| 08:42:12 | GodEater | lol |
| 08:42:34 | GodEater | that guy/girl(?)'s posts in the forum are virtually unreadable because of over usage of the word "like" |
| 08:43:40 | midkay | who now? |
| 08:43:53 | amiconn | Whoah, and libmad compiled with -Os slows mpa.codec down to a crawl! |
| 08:43:55 | * | GodEater wonders if it's worth removing ALL the iPL stuff from the 80GB thread now. It's not particularly useful anymore. |
| 08:44:39 | amiconn | On my mini G2, no eq: -O: boost ratio <50% -Os: boost ratio 100% |
| 08:44:49 | GodEater | or just archive the thread off somewhere and start a new one with one post detailing where we're at |
| 08:44:57 | Llorean | amiconn: Ouch |
| 08:44:59 | GodEater | -Os is size ? |
| 08:45:01 | midkay | i want to see the like-whoring! |
| 08:45:15 | GodEater | midkay: hbbrad |
| 08:45:19 | GodEater | he/she/it has posts all over the place |
| 08:45:41 | GodEater | maybe valley girl is the new l33t |
| 08:45:47 | amiconn | GodEater: -Os is (or should) be -O2 tweaked to size, i.e. leaving out all opts which increase size |
| 08:45:56 | midkay | thanks.. *views* |
| 08:46:14 | GodEater | I should know really - being a gentoo user :) |
| 08:46:26 | amiconn | gcc is weird... |
| 08:46:28 | midkay | haha. |
| 08:46:34 | midkay | semiamusing. |
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| 08:47:09 | midkay | hm, i see the "kiss" emoticon was used... it better not be a guy.. :) |
| 08:47:16 | JerryLange | lol |
| 08:47:20 | LinusN | "well im confused i am like a lil on the slow side and i honestly just need like people to talk to me as a child." |
| 08:48:07 | midkay | haha. |
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| 08:48:13 | GodEater | does that mean we can smack him/her and put them to bed early with no supper ? |
| 08:48:15 | LinusN | no punctuation whatsoever |
| 08:48:16 | midkay | it's alright LinusN. |
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| 08:48:22 | XavierGr | where is that thread any links? :P |
| 08:48:34 | LinusN | this is a gem: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8399.0 |
| 08:48:35 | midkay | i still love you even if you are a little on the slow side... |
| 08:48:44 | midkay | haha, a gem. |
| 08:48:46 | midkay | GoldenQuotes! |
| 08:48:58 | XavierGr | Indeed |
| 08:49:06 | XavierGr | let me read it though hehe |
| 08:49:43 | GodEater | oh no - funroll-loops.org is gone :( |
| 08:49:50 | XavierGr | my damn internet connection is slower than a turtle |
| 08:50:04 | * | GodEater hands XavierGr a Hare |
| 08:50:21 | XavierGr | :D |
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| 08:51:04 | midkay | XavierGr: is it not loading for oyu either? |
| 08:51:09 | XavierGr | yes |
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| 08:51:18 | GodEater | the forums are always a little slow this time of the morning I find |
| 08:51:22 | XavierGr | I thought it was me but maybe forums are playing tricks on me |
| 08:51:28 | midkay | it worked for me a moment ago, now it isn't working at all. |
| 08:51:58 | XavierGr | too much traffic for the new GoldenQuote wannabe I guess! |
| 08:52:10 | JerryLange | midkay: same here but it finialy loaded for me. |
| 08:52:19 | midkay | it just came back up or something i guess. |
| 08:52:34 | JerryLange | i like lachlan's post on that topic. |
| 08:52:36 | midkay | HAHA, "i hope this is a joke". |
| 08:52:52 | midkay | that's hilarious. |
| 08:52:55 | Llorean | Sadly, judging from the rest of that user's posts, it really isn't likely. |
| 08:52:56 | XavierGr | ROFLMAO this is hilarious |
| 08:53:16 | midkay | aaaahh that's funny.. haha. |
| 08:53:25 | * | XavierGr goes to read these 8 posts |
| 08:53:41 | midkay | let's encourage him or her so we can get a little bit more GoldenQuotes material! |
| 08:53:51 | XavierGr | 8 posts in one day, just great |
| 08:53:56 | Llorean | Now hey, the person may be limited, but play nice. |
| 08:53:59 | midkay | i seriously wouldn't mind responding to these if it meant getting more of them... at least for a little while. |
| 08:54:09 | midkay | joking, sorry :) |
| 08:54:17 | GodEater | "limited" - hahahahaha - what a great term for them |
| 08:54:25 | XavierGr | heh it certainly made my morning :) |
| 08:54:46 | GodEater | the next meeting I go to I'm going to claim I'm a "bit limited" |
| 08:54:53 | midkay | haha. |
| 08:55:01 | midkay | lachlan's reply > * |
| 08:55:05 | midkay | give him an Expert badge! |
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| 08:57:15 | JerryLange | i found the chicago font but didnt really find a license. i just found this. |
| 08:57:17 | JerryLange | These fonts are shareware, freeware, or otherwise available for downloading from the Internet and many Online services. All rights are retained by their respective creators. Privacy Policy |
| 08:57:43 | Llorean | That's a bit of a cop-out. |
| 08:57:52 | Llorean | "We found it on the net, so we assume we can provide i on the net" |
| 08:57:54 | Llorean | it |
| 08:58:07 | midkay | haha. |
| 08:58:15 | JerryLange | yeah thats what i figured, but i tried |
| 08:58:17 | midkay | 'shareware or freeware or something else'. |
| 08:58:49 | Juice^ | dan_a: any progress on the lcd driver for e200? |
| 08:58:53 | GodEater | maybe we need a forum for "special" or "gifted" people |
| 08:58:58 | LinusN | i want to toss out chicago anyway, since it's only usascii |
| 08:59:09 | Llorean | Drop Chicago then. |
| 08:59:19 | Llorean | "License issues and all around dumbness of the character set" |
| 08:59:26 | LinusN | "useless" |
| 08:59:29 | LinusN | :-) |
| 08:59:35 | midkay | haha. |
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| 09:00:55 | JerryLange | ok then drop chicago then i guess. i dont use it so it dont really bother me. |
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| 09:02:48 | JerryLange | i found a similar font to chicago. anybody want to take a look? |
| 09:04:19 | XavierGr | Llorean: Is it possible to add on the "Iriver - Installation/Removal/Flashing" the H10 tag too? |
| 09:04:49 | scorche | why is that needed? |
| 09:04:57 | Llorean | XavierGr: Done |
| 09:05:05 | scorche | ot am i missing something? |
| 09:05:08 | scorche | oh...that.. |
| 09:05:11 | Llorean | scorche: There's a subtitle of the "targets" for each manufacturer board. |
| 09:05:14 | XavierGr | Llorean: nice :) |
| 09:05:18 | scorche | yeah...i got it |
| 09:05:22 | Llorean | I'd forgotten to update to include H10. :) |
| 09:05:53 | JerryLange | Llorean: i found a font similar to the chicago font. you want to take a look at it? |
| 09:06:38 | Llorean | JerryLange: Honestly, I'm not terribly invested in this. |
| 09:06:40 | Llorean | :) |
| 09:07:39 | JerryLange | ok. ill save it for somebody who maybe is. |
| 09:12:12 | XavierGr | As long there is nimbus I won't feel sorry for Chicago |
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| 09:36:59 | markun | JerryLange: you can show it to pixelma when she gets back |
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| 09:38:43 | Bagder | the forums are crazy again |
| 09:38:47 | JerryLange | markun: ill just post it in that topic becasue i might not be here when he returns. |
| 09:39:00 | JerryLange | yeah i noticed |
| 09:39:50 | GodEater | database has fallen over it seems |
| 09:39:57 | JerryLange | once the page actually loads first. |
| 09:40:04 | markun | JerryLange: can you post a link here? I will tell her it's in the logs. |
| 09:41:20 | JerryLange | markun: yes its here |
| 09:41:27 | JerryLange | alternative chicago font: http://www.dafont.com/pix-chicago.font |
| 09:43:20 | markun | JerryLange: what are the differences? |
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| 09:44:55 | JerryLange | alternative chicago font: http://www.dafont.com/pix-chicago.font |
| 09:45:00 | JerryLange | whoops |
| 09:45:24 | JerryLange | well this version is free. if the chicago font is licenses. |
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| 09:49:25 | markun | JerryLange: there should be a double-sized 'hi-res' version of the bitmap chicago font as well somewhere |
| 09:49:29 | markun | http://www.myfonts.com/person/kare/susan/ |
| 09:49:55 | JerryLange_ | hold on |
| 09:51:11 | JerryLange_ | is there any chance somebody can kick JerryLange that is my name but i got disconnected. |
| 09:51:31 | markun | are you registered? |
| 09:51:46 | markun | then you can use nickserv to kick it |
| 09:52:11 | JerryLange_ | yes |
| 09:53:11 | JerryLange_ | yes im registered, but it says i have to be an operator in this room for it to work |
| 09:53:36 | markun | JerryLange: do "/query nickserv" and then type "help" in that window |
| 09:54:03 | markun | (ghost is the option you are looking for) |
| 09:54:45 | Slasheri | JerryLange_: just wait a couple of minutes and it will disconnect |
| 09:55:12 | Bagder | a couple being around 20 iirc |
| 09:55:25 | Slasheri | hmm, that's huge |
| 09:55:29 | Bagder | yes |
| 09:55:36 | Slasheri | on ircnet, its something like 3 minutes at max |
| 09:55:44 | Bagder | yes, freenode is different |
| 09:56:09 | JerryLange_ | i cant find the chost command |
| 09:56:20 | Mode | "#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 09:56:26 | Kick | (#rockbox JerryLange :scorche) by scorche!n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche |
| 09:56:37 | scorche | (been a rough day...needed to get agressions out) |
| 09:56:42 | JerryLange_ | thank you |
| 09:56:49 | Mode | "#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 09:56:54 | scorche | but do look up the ghost command |
| 09:56:57 | Bagder | the kick doesn't help much though since the nick is still connected |
| 09:56:58 | JerryLange_ | brb |
| 09:57:16 | Bagder | or perhaps "occupied" is a better word |
| 09:57:16 | markun | JerryLange_: you don't see "GHOST Kill a ghosted nickname" ? |
| 09:57:53 | scorche | Bagder: it wasnt to help...it was to get aggressions out ;) |
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| 09:58:18 | Bagder | I know, I was mostly informing JerryLange_ |
| 09:58:23 | scorche | ah |
| 09:58:48 | Bagder | I have no friends so I just talk out to nobody in particular |
| 09:58:54 | Bagder | :-) |
| 09:59:02 | scorche | well... |
| 09:59:07 | * | scorche cues the audio |
| 09:59:14 | scorche | you got a friend in me! |
| 09:59:25 | midkay | Bagder: how do you remove a file from the repository? :) |
| 09:59:27 | JerryLange_ | haha nice one. |
| 09:59:35 | Bagder | midgey: svn rm [file] |
| 09:59:39 | Bagder | and commit |
| 09:59:56 | midkay | i'm the absolute master of not getting commits right... |
| 10:00 |
| 10:00:32 | * | Bagder kneels in front of the master |
| 10:00:37 | JerryLange_ | hmmm. i still cant login nickserv ill just leave my name as this till next time. |
| 10:01:01 | scorche | midkay: yeah, but you could do with some practice to beat the high score |
| 10:01:07 | markun | JerryLange_: is JerryLange_ also registered or just JerryLange ? |
| 10:01:23 | scorche | JerryLange_: /ghost JerryLange password |
| 10:01:26 | midkay | haha, who holds that? isn't it Mikachu? |
| 10:01:26 | JerryLange_ | im pretty sure JerryLange is only registered |
| 10:01:29 | midkay | or preglow... |
| 10:01:46 | midgey | wasnt it kkurbjun? |
| 10:01:46 | scorche | midkay: i forgot who, but it was some obscene number |
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| 10:01:52 | scorche | that it was |
| 10:01:53 | markun | JerryLange_: maybe that's the problem then. Check the freenode FAQ. |
| 10:02:08 | JerryLange_ | says ghost unknown command |
| 10:02:12 | midgey | rockdoom dehacked commit i believe |
| 10:02:18 | scorche | yup |
| 10:02:26 | bluebrother | eeeh ... /msg nickserv ghost, not /ghost |
| 10:02:31 | Llorean | JerryLange_: It's "/msg nickserv ghost nickname password" |
| 10:02:32 | scorche | JerryLange_: /msg nickserv ghost nick pass |
| 10:02:39 | midkay | really? i know that, erm, preglow got a bit one before that.. |
| 10:03:03 | scorche | some clients have that built in as a macro |
| 10:03:05 | * | scorche shrugs |
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| 10:03:18 | bluebrother | hmm. Are the wiki diffs broken? |
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| 10:03:26 | Bagder | hm, jdgordon broke several builds |
| 10:03:34 | bluebrother | I get a blank page only. Reloading doesn't help :( |
| 10:03:40 | Bagder | bluebrother: yes it seems so |
| 10:03:44 | midgey | midkay: i think kkurbjun had like 40000 |
| 10:03:45 | | Nick JerryLange_ is now known as JerryLange (n=chatzill@ppp025.hk.centurytel.net) |
| 10:03:48 | Bagder | we blame Zagor, but we're not sure |
| 10:03:51 | midkay | Bagder: btw, clicking the link for a removed file on the front page gives an error.. (try brickmania_ball.320x240....) |
| 10:03:59 | midkay | midgey: eek. |
| 10:04:00 | Bagder | me check... |
| 10:04:14 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 10:04:31 | bluebrother | what's the number telling? |
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| 10:04:37 | bluebrother | compiler errors? |
| 10:04:38 | JerryLange | yay it works |
| 10:04:45 | scorche | errors and warnings |
| 10:04:52 | Bagder | bluebrother: compiler errors + linker errors * N something |
| 10:05:09 | * | Bagder can't recall the deails |
| 10:05:17 | bluebrother | and something is a secret value depending on the dev? ;-) |
| 10:05:19 | scorche | i thought it was 1 for warnings, 10 for errors although some errors are different |
| 10:05:30 | Bagder | bluebrother: now that's an idea! ;-) |
| 10:05:40 | Bagder | scorche: ah, no you're right that's it |
| 10:05:58 | * | bluebrother goes filling out for getting a negative number |
| 10:06:11 | bluebrother | *filling out a form even. |
| 10:06:11 | JerryLange | thank you Llorean and Scorche |
| 10:06:31 | midgey | midkay: score was 42856 from kkurbjun on dec 13 |
| 10:06:40 | midkay | Bagder: hm, i think it'd be nice in place of the [diff] link to have like [created] or [new] when it's the first revision of a file, and [removed] or somesuch for rm'd files. |
| 10:06:46 | * | midgey still thinks we should have a high score list |
| 10:06:50 | midkay | midgey: where did you find that? |
| 10:06:50 | midkay | haha. |
| 10:07:13 | midgey | xaviergr mentions it in the logs |
| 10:08:18 | midkay | haha.. while searching for preglow's i found this: |
| 10:08:20 | midkay | 02.50.22 # <sharpe> yes, score one for sharpe. sharpe : one, midkay : twenty. |
| 10:08:24 | * | midkay is victorious! |
| 10:08:30 | scorche | huzzah! |
| 10:08:57 | * | bluebrother just installes KatMouse |
| 10:09:12 | bluebrother | ahh, finally the mouse wheel is working like I'm used to. |
| 10:09:23 | scorche | midkay: that isnt too surprising though... |
| 10:10:01 | midkay | scorche: well of course not. i'm just impressed he could admit it. |
| 10:10:15 | linuxstb | Are the History links on the wiki broken for anyone else? I just get a blank page. |
| 10:10:17 | midkay | although he definitely exaggerated my score a bit, it was surely more like 50-60. |
| 10:10:38 | scorche | well, we both claimed the final score for him |
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| 10:11:14 | Llorean | linuxstb: Broken for me as well |
| 10:11:50 | midkay | haha. |
| 10:12:37 | midkay | someone added me to the KnowledgeMap... i'm flattered. |
| 10:12:50 | scorche | someone is actually editing it? |
| 10:13:00 | scorche | yay...i thought it was a failed attempt |
| 10:13:05 | midkay | it was, loser. :D |
| 10:13:12 | midkay | it's suprisingly filled out actually.. |
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| 10:13:18 | markun | anyone in the mood for figuring out the encryption of a firmare update file? |
| 10:13:39 | scorche | oh wow |
| 10:13:47 | * | scorche becomes happy |
| 10:13:48 | midkay | one guy added like everybody on there though. |
| 10:13:51 | Bagder | markun: what's the target? |
| 10:13:58 | midkay | revision 4 -> 5 went from nada to filled in.. |
| 10:14:04 | markun | Bagder: Kenwood HD20GA7/HD30GA9 |
| 10:14:17 | scorche | then it might be in order to double check that you are not listed as something that you are not |
| 10:14:37 | markun | It is based on the same hardware as the Gigabeats, but has a 'digital amp' with mythical sound qualities |
| 10:14:38 | midkay | me? surely i did... |
| 10:14:55 | midkay | Bagder: you used my idea! <3 |
| 10:15:12 | markun | Bagder: http://130.89.160.166/UPDATE.DAT |
| 10:15:13 | Bagder | markun: got a URL for the firmware? |
| 10:15:15 | Bagder | ah |
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| 10:16:01 | midkay | alright, time for bed for me now.. night all. |
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| 10:16:23 | Bagder | markun: and that is everything there is? no other files or similar? |
| 10:16:58 | markun | Bagder: I can give you the windows installer we extracted it from.. |
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| 10:17:33 | markun | Bagder: Let me see if I can find older versions of the firmware update |
| 10:17:59 | Bagder | yes, having more than one file will help |
| 10:19:06 | Bagder | there are odd 0x10-based patterns in it |
| 10:19:30 | Bagder | the same byte code every 0x10 |
| 10:20:10 | DataGhost | pff |
| 10:20:28 | DataGhost | I closed all my opendirs now.. hopefully that will stop iPL people from posting in the 5.5G 80GB rockbox dev thread |
| 10:21:30 | DataGhost | amazing what people can do with unsupported/broken code, no clue at all and a lot of 'want' |
| 10:21:55 | DataGhost | oh god |
| 10:21:56 | DataGhost | lol. |
| 10:22:04 | DataGhost | Llorean you may want to have a look at the latest post :') |
| 10:22:22 | Bagder | people manage to screw up even without broken builds ;-) |
| 10:22:26 | DataGhost | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7738.msg65708#msg65708 |
| 10:22:31 | DataGhost | heh |
| 10:22:35 | Bagder | seeing the amount of people bricking their sansas |
| 10:22:41 | Llorean | DataGhost: What most recent post? |
| 10:22:43 | * | Llorean looks innocent. |
| 10:22:54 | Bagder | "I copied random junk to it in recovery mode and now it doesn't start" |
| 10:22:58 | DataGhost | well, some guy was actually complaining about linux not working without an ext3 partition and without any support for fat32/hfs+ :) |
| 10:23:01 | DataGhost | hehe |
| 10:23:12 | DataGhost | hehe Llorean |
| 10:23:33 | Llorean | Bagder: Every time I see yet ANOTHER person has done that, I'm astonished. |
| 10:23:40 | Bagder | yeah |
| 10:23:40 | Llorean | How do you "accidentally" put an extra file on it? |
| 10:24:03 | Bagder | or a totally different file |
| 10:24:21 | Mikachu | maybe they fell |
| 10:25:10 | markun | Bagder: did you see the PM? |
| 10:25:12 | DataGhost | 'i fell on my keyboard and the next thing I know I saw dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda and it looked very busy... I thought it'd be better to not disturb it but now my iPod won't boot!!1' |
| 10:25:15 | Llorean | Bagder: Like the one who tried an e200 bootloader on his c200? If I remember what he said correctly? |
| 10:25:35 | Bagder | Llorean: nah, that's zefie and he has clues |
| 10:25:41 | Llorean | Ah |
| 10:25:50 | Llorean | It seemed a somewhat random thing to try though |
| 10:25:54 | dan_a | And he recovered it |
| 10:25:58 | Bagder | he even managed to restore his c200 with the e200tool |
| 10:26:05 | Llorean | Yeah, that was impressive |
| 10:26:11 | Bagder | that somehow takes him to the second level in this game |
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| 10:28:43 | tucoz | bluebrother: did you read my message in the logs? |
| 10:29:47 | tucoz | otherwise: 23.14 http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20070125.txt |
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| 10:31:21 | tucoz | Bagder: is it possible to change the sort order for the irc-logs to be in descending order? Similar to the mailing lists. |
| 10:31:59 | tucoz | (of course it it possible, but is it a good idea?) |
| 10:32:16 | DataGhost | I guess it would be more logical indeed :) |
| 10:32:33 | GodEater | yes - I've been wishing for that too |
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| 10:33:36 | Bagder | tucoz: it is a good idea |
| 10:33:48 | DataGhost | "it's just not possible" |
| 10:33:49 | * | DataGhost runs |
| 10:34:06 | tucoz | hehe |
| 10:35:07 | GodEater | "it's a good idea, but unfortunately son is still asleep and without him I'm worried to change the html incase I break something" ;) |
| 10:35:24 | Mikachu | upside down irc logs sounds confusing, and wouldn't you need to rewrite the whole file every time it updates? |
| 10:35:42 | GodEater | not the logfiles themselves Mikachu |
| 10:35:49 | GodEater | the page which presents the list of logs |
| 10:35:51 | Mikachu | oh the index, okay |
| 10:36:59 | Bagder | I'll ask my son to fix it later ;-P |
| 10:37:31 | webguest37 | Hi. Are there any plugins that show how to use pcm_init_recording, pcm_record_data? Do these functions work? I'm running on an iAudio X5. |
| 10:37:46 | tucoz | is his middle name 'perl-wizard' by any chance? |
| 10:38:07 | dan_a | Bagder: You do realise that when he gets to 13 years old and wants to rebel, he'll do it by coding in C#++... |
| 10:38:13 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 10:38:16 | Bagder | nooooooo |
| 10:38:19 | tucoz | or python |
| 10:38:42 | DataGhost | or befreak, for readability :P |
| 10:38:46 | Bagder | a teenage windows-using rebel |
| 10:39:06 | dan_a | Or maybe he'll just add malloc to the core of Rockbox |
| 10:39:11 | Bagder | then we need to have that talk, the dad-son talk |
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| 10:39:39 | Mikachu | Bagder: hm, the link for the brickmania_ball.320x240x16.bmp on the frontpage doesn't work |
| 10:39:42 | bluebrother | tucoz: just read it. Will look into it later today |
| 10:39:56 | Bagder | Mikachu: right, viewvc is quite annoying |
| 10:40:02 | Bagder | the linked _worked_ |
| 10:40:07 | Bagder | until the file was deleted |
| 10:40:19 | Mikachu | ah, i didn't see the next commit there |
| 10:40:28 | Mikachu | maybe you want all the links to set revision too |
| 10:40:45 | Bagder | yeah |
| 10:41:02 | bluebrother | why not coding D? |
| 10:41:04 | Bagder | I just need to figure out exactly how it wants it |
| 10:41:09 | Mikachu | &pathrev=12118 |
| 10:41:17 | * | bluebrother read an article about D yesterday. Sounds interesting. |
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| 10:41:28 | Bagder | Mikachu: thanks |
| 10:41:45 | | Part AndreSmith |
| 10:41:52 | scorche | bluebrother: i expect a complete translation of rockbox into D by the weekend |
| 10:42:32 | Mikachu | i think you should port it to shakespeare |
| 10:43:36 | * | GodEater votes for Haskell |
| 10:43:39 | Mikachu | ( http://people.csa.iisc.ernet.in/sreejith/frontends/spl/spl.htm ) |
| 10:44:21 | bluebrother | Whitespace! |
| 10:45:56 | bluebrother | http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-whitespace-154.html |
| 10:46:55 | tucoz | sorry for the cursing, but isn't there a language known as brainfuck? |
| 10:47:13 | Mikachu | yeah |
| 10:47:21 | bluebrother | it is. |
| 10:47:30 | * | bluebrother just discovered DotLisp |
| 10:47:56 | bluebrother | tucoz: http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-brainfuck-101.html |
| 10:47:56 | Mikachu | http://brainfuck.sourceforge.net/results0.html |
| 10:48:02 | kclaf | could anyone help me with the bootloader please ? |
| 10:48:11 | scorche | there is also one named Argh! |
| 10:48:14 | Bagder | pathrev fixed on the frontpage now |
| 10:48:27 | Bagder | the [gone] now links to the rev before the removal |
| 10:49:00 | dan_a | kclaf: Tell us which player, and describe the problem, and someone will do their best to help |
| 10:49:07 | kclaf | i used to modify the source, in order to change the bootloader behavior (ie pressing a key = starts RB, pressing nothing = starts genuine firmware) |
| 10:49:16 | kclaf | but the bootloader code changed |
| 10:49:18 | kclaf | http://pastebin.ca/329017 |
| 10:49:22 | kclaf | is that correct ? |
| 10:49:38 | tucoz | bluebrother: fun page :) |
| 10:49:40 | DataGhost | Mikachu http://tunes.org/~iepos/befreak.html#download I like that more :) |
| 10:49:48 | kclaf | ive inverted the instructions into the "if" and the "else" |
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| 10:51:41 | Mikachu | heh |
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| 10:52:53 | dan_a | kclaf: I don't recognise any of that as being code to the bootloaders, but yes - swapping what is inside the if and the else sections will work |
| 10:53:10 | Mikachu | DataGhost: http://pathlang.sourceforge.net/ is similar |
| 10:54:12 | kclaf | hmmm dan_a, that's source code from "rockbox-20070109\flash\bootloader\bootloader.c" |
| 10:54:27 | linuxstb | kclaf: Which bootloader are you trying to modify/ |
| 10:54:28 | linuxstb | ? |
| 10:54:40 | kclaf | ipod5G |
| 10:54:49 | linuxstb | Then change bootloader/ipod.c |
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| 10:55:07 | linuxstb | It may not be in the source tarball - in which case get it via SVN. |
| 10:55:40 | kclaf | oh yea, that's why I didnt get the file |
| 10:55:49 | kclaf | i'll checkout the SVN for it |
| 10:55:56 | kclaf | thanks for your help linuxstb |
| 10:56:16 | linuxstb | kclaf: But you know the hold switch now starts the original firmware? |
| 10:56:34 | kclaf | yes I know but I have some stupid car audio player |
| 10:56:57 | kclaf | that works with AIR |
| 10:57:13 | linuxstb | But once you start the Apple firmware once, does it ever reboot? |
| 10:57:13 | kclaf | and i dont want to have to press HOLD all the time |
| 10:57:25 | linuxstb | I thought the Apple firmware just slept itself. |
| 10:57:47 | kclaf | yes, but if I let my ipod for more than 17hours it shuts down |
| 10:58:09 | kclaf | so it would start into rockbox when it boots |
| 10:58:14 | linuxstb | And then it reboots? I thought it just hibernated... |
| 10:58:35 | kclaf | I dont think so, because I can see the black screen with the apple |
| 10:58:40 | Bger | guys, hi! |
| 10:58:53 | linuxstb | kclaf: But I thought that was a different black screen with the apple... |
| 10:59:05 | Bger | sorry for the offtopic but does anybody know any linux console icq client other than centericq ? |
| 10:59:27 | * | linuxstb afk |
| 10:59:39 | Mikachu | Bger: any console irc client + bitlbee does the trick |
| 10:59:47 | kclaf | hmmm, well, you know what, ill reflash my ipod with non-patched rockbox |
| 10:59:57 | kclaf | and see how it behaves |
| 11:00 |
| 11:00:01 | Bger | bitlbee ? |
| 11:00:23 | kclaf | that's an irc-im gateway |
| 11:00:36 | Bger | aha |
| 11:00:48 | kclaf | it allow to chat into MSN, OSCAR, JABBER like you would do on IRC |
| 11:00:55 | kclaf | +s |
| 11:00:57 | DataGhost | and also 0.22 seconds on google :) |
| 11:01:16 | lachlan1212 | Supposedly some company has hacked the gaming cabilities of the 5/5.5G iPods and have gotten one of their games to run in the Apple OS |
| 11:01:34 | lachlan1212 | With "supposedly" being the key word |
| 11:01:54 | DataGhost | I can play gameboy games on my 5.5G... nothing new there? :) (just not in the apple os :P) |
| 11:02:01 | lachlan1212 | http://www.bobbeetec.com/ |
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| 11:02:17 | lachlan1212 | Still, if this is indeed true its pretty big news |
| 11:03:56 | Bagder | it is? |
| 11:04:01 | lachlan1212 | And don't you have an 80GB iPod DataGhost? Heh you can't play anything at the moment |
| 11:04:13 | DataGhost | ? |
| 11:04:16 | DataGhost | I have an 80GB iPod |
| 11:04:24 | DataGhost | and cyboid looks just like doom |
| 11:04:54 | lachlan1212 | Have you got RB running on it though? |
| 11:05:01 | DataGhost | no |
| 11:05:28 | lachlan1212 | Cyboid does look similar to Doom, but other games will follow it |
| 11:05:53 | DataGhost | but errrm... I don't know if you're a regular in here or not |
| 11:06:03 | DataGhost | but I'd say you work at bobbeetec :P nofi |
| 11:06:21 | lachlan1212 | I'm a regular ojn the forum, not really in IRC much |
| 11:06:48 | pondlife | LinusN: around? |
| 11:06:52 | DataGhost | hm ok |
| 11:07:10 | lachlan1212 | and all I'm saying is that now the 3rd party devs can make iPod native games (they couldn't before) |
| 11:07:17 | DataGhost | maybe I'm just a little paranoid about some people :) |
| 11:07:32 | bluebrother | Bger: you could also try micq |
| 11:07:41 | Bger | bluebrother ah, yes |
| 11:07:58 | Bger | i'm having fscking problems with my X eating up the CPU ... |
| 11:08:02 | pondlife | LinusN: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortPinAssignments#PCF50606_GPO seems to be wrong, as Matthias has noted. |
| 11:08:06 | DataGhost | well lachlan1212 at least the site doesn't look 100% legit to me.. but again I haven't seen the actual game on mine |
| 11:08:17 | DataGhost | the part that put me off a bit was the 'Real, honest user reviews' |
| 11:08:21 | DataGhost | with the emphasis on real and honest |
| 11:08:28 | lachlan1212 | Yeah the side does look a tad.. shady |
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| 11:08:54 | lachlan1212 | Theres a thread on the IPL forums for beta testing this game http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=22259 |
| 11:09:06 | DataGhost | I usually see the same sort of links in penis enlargement spammails :) |
| 11:09:22 | lachlan1212 | Not that it makes it any more legit |
| 11:09:35 | lachlan1212 | You open those emails;)? |
| 11:09:49 | pondlife | Also, is it known that the wiki search is down? |
| 11:10:50 | DataGhost | sometimes when my pc is being slow lachlan1212 |
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| 11:10:59 | DataGhost | I hit the [Spam] button but it takes a bit :P |
| 11:11:45 | DataGhost | by the way, the 'screenshots' look really odd |
| 11:11:56 | DataGhost | they are higher than wide |
| 11:12:06 | DataGhost | and the 5(.5)G screen is wider than high |
| 11:12:07 | lachlan1212 | yeah, thats what I was about to say |
| 11:12:10 | Mikachu | they're from cell phones |
| 11:12:20 | lachlan1212 | they look like they've been distorted |
| 11:12:32 | DataGhost | hm, heh |
| 11:12:40 | lachlan1212 | in the IPL thread, the dev mentioned that the screens are all from cellphone targets |
| 11:12:46 | lachlan1212 | which would explain it |
| 11:12:50 | Mikachu | looks like java3d |
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| 11:13:37 | lachlan1212 | It's odd that they obviously have the ability to create halfway decent 3d graphics but cant slap together a decent website layout |
| 11:14:14 | DataGhost | anyway, since I've got a 5.5G I'll just send them an e-mail to 'betatest' |
| 11:14:41 | DataGhost | with the site being all shady and the game looking a lot like doom I'd almost say it's a video :P |
| 11:14:45 | lachlan1212 | shoot me a pm on the forums if they do end up actually senidng you anything |
| 11:14:51 | DataGhost | yeah |
| 11:15:08 | lachlan1212 | i'm 'lachlan' on the forums- if you hadn't already guessed |
| 11:15:16 | DataGhost | also odd that you can code such a game with 2 people in under a month |
| 11:15:25 | DataGhost | because the reviews are apparently from september |
| 11:15:36 | DataGhost | oh wait, the 5G has been around for longer than that, right? |
| 11:15:45 | lachlan1212 | yes |
| 11:15:50 | lachlan1212 | but not the game cabability |
| 11:15:58 | DataGhost | hm |
| 11:16:03 | lachlan1212 | that was only introduced with the 5.5 G's, around september |
| 11:16:14 | DataGhost | so they wrote that game in a month. with 2 people. |
| 11:16:24 | lachlan1212 | it seems the game was developed for the Ngage, which has been around for a couple year |
| 11:16:28 | GodEater | looks more like quake than doom to me |
| 11:16:36 | lachlan1212 | and they are merely porting it to the iPod |
| 11:16:43 | GodEater | it's very beige |
| 11:16:48 | lachlan1212 | s/year/years |
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| 11:17:46 | DataGhost | anyway, this is one of the things I'm not believing until I see it |
| 11:17:46 | * | DataGhost sends request |
| 11:17:54 | lachlan1212 | have you watched the youtube vid yet? does it provide anything conclusive? |
| 11:18:57 | DataGhost | I watched the google vid |
| 11:18:59 | DataGhost | is it different? |
| 11:19:00 | lachlan1212 | I'm on a arguably the slowest computer in existance at the moment, so I can't watch them myself |
| 11:19:13 | lachlan1212 | i doubt it would be different |
| 11:19:28 | lachlan1212 | did the video show the ipod and the person hand controlling the game? |
| 11:19:29 | Mikachu | well, google video provides the original nonrecompressed .avi file |
| 11:19:43 | Mikachu | yes |
| 11:19:47 | DataGhost | apart from that it's perfectly possible to create a video which simulates the apple interface and a working game, I can't conclude anything from that video :) |
| 11:19:55 | DataGhost | except for me being very skeptical |
| 11:20:15 | lachlan1212 | thats understandable |
| 11:20:15 | DataGhost | and some could say the same about my iDoom-on-80GB-video :) |
| 11:20:34 | DataGhost | however they can easily test that now |
| 11:20:49 | lachlan1212 | its also questionable as to how they managed to make it run without it being verified by iTunes, which all games must be to play |
| 11:21:00 | GodEater | "easily" assuming they're au fait with ext3-ing their iPod ;) |
| 11:21:36 | lachlan1212 | haha, I was wondering how'd I'd missed the '80Gb now functional' post |
| 11:22:26 | GodEater | yeah - that's iDoom - not rockdoom |
| 11:22:51 | lachlan1212 | so people are able to boot iPL now? |
| 11:23:24 | GodEater | only if their iPod is entirely ext3 formatted |
| 11:23:35 | GodEater | DataGhost fixed the bootloader |
| 11:24:01 | GodEater | and the kernel reads 1024 byte sector ext3 filesystems |
| 11:24:08 | lachlan1212 | Bless his ghostly soul |
| 11:24:13 | DataGhost | well entirely isn't needed, but it just can't read fat32 and hfs+ yet :P |
| 11:24:18 | GodEater | fat32 and hfs+ support are still unavailable though |
| 11:24:24 | DataGhost | so this time people with macpods are out of luck >:) |
| 11:24:34 | lachlan1212 | was hfs+ ever supported? |
| 11:24:46 | GodEater | for iPL ? yes |
| 11:24:57 | lachlan1212 | ahh, fair enough |
| 11:24:58 | DataGhost | I have no clue, but for the 5.5G 30GB the instructions previously said 'this will work on the 30GB macpods only' |
| 11:25:15 | DataGhost | and my quick fix on the linux kernel enabled iPL for the 30GB winpods, too |
| 11:25:33 | GodEater | think most of the original iPL devs were all OSX ppl - so they made HFS+ support the priority |
| 11:25:39 | GodEater | winpod support came later |
| 11:25:49 | DataGhost | but I'm still not sure if it can do diskreads and the one who wrote the new tutorial doesn't respond to my testing requests |
| 11:26:01 | DataGhost | I'm not so sure about that GodEater |
| 11:26:04 | lachlan1212 | Does IPL run as poorly on the 5.5G's as it does on the 5 G's? |
| 11:26:05 | GodEater | is that Tempel ? |
| 11:26:07 | DataGhost | I converted my iPod into a macpod aswell |
| 11:26:13 | DataGhost | the mac partition table is different |
| 11:26:19 | DataGhost | so it read the partitions properly without modification |
| 11:26:23 | DataGhost | well, only to the ata code |
| 11:26:36 | GodEater | ah |
| 11:26:39 | DataGhost | the main reason it didn't work on the winpods was the MBR having the 'wrong' values |
| 11:26:49 | GodEater | that would make sense |
| 11:26:56 | DataGhost | yep :) |
| 11:27:11 | DataGhost | lachlan1212 I don't know.. I think so |
| 11:27:22 | GodEater | define "poorly" :) |
| 11:27:23 | DataGhost | Let me look up a few vids... I think you mean podzilla2 by the way |
| 11:27:26 | DataGhost | with 'poorly' |
| 11:27:38 | DataGhost | since the mainloop claims 150% cpu or something like that ;) |
| 11:28:42 | DataGhost | http://de.dataghost.com/ipl/5.5G-80GB-iDoom.avi http://de.dataghost.com/ipl/Loader2-3.avi |
| 11:28:48 | DataGhost | I think those pretty much cover it |
| 11:28:53 | lachlan1212 | I don't know exactly what I mean by poorly, but I was under the impression from what I read around the IPL wiki/forum that the 5G wasn't really stable |
| 11:29:42 | lachlan1212 | those vids will probably play at 3 FPS on my computer but I'll give them a try |
| 11:30:02 | GodEater | what are you running on? A ZX-81 ? |
| 11:30:07 | DataGhost | well, they're from my camera... 320x240 |
| 11:30:10 | DataGhost | iPods should run it :D |
| 11:30:32 | lachlan1212 | Honestly, an iPod has more CPu than my computer |
| 11:31:00 | lachlan1212 | those things people strap to their belts that count how many steps they take have more grunt than my piece of crap |
| 11:31:51 | lachlan1212 | clock radio, watches, calculators- you name it- all are faster |
| 11:32:05 | lachlan1212 | s/radio/radios |
| 11:32:13 | DataGhost | hehe |
| 11:32:33 | lachlan1212 | i think it has 64MB of RAM |
| 11:32:48 | DataGhost | yes it should have, according to even wikipedia |
| 11:32:53 | DataGhost | but only 32 is detected on mine |
| 11:32:59 | DataGhost | and when I force mem=64M it refuses to boot |
| 11:33:25 | lachlan1212 | this is your iPod, or your computer? |
| 11:33:30 | DataGhost | hm? |
| 11:33:40 | DataGhost | you mean the zzzzzzzzzz-sound? or the thing you see on the vid? |
| 11:34:00 | GodEater | he means the memory comment |
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| 11:34:03 | DataGhost | oh |
| 11:34:06 | DataGhost | lol :D |
| 11:34:12 | DataGhost | that's my iPod |
| 11:34:19 | lachlan1212 | no no, I was talking about my computer- it has 64MB or RAM- it is a piece of crap |
| 11:34:24 | DataGhost | I have *slightly* more than 64MB ram in my pc |
| 11:34:31 | Mikachu | <- 1024MB |
| 11:34:35 | * | GodEater remembers when 64MB was a lot in a PC |
| 11:34:36 | DataGhost | really, how can you live with 64MB |
| 11:34:42 | DataGhost | I'm using 916 at this very moment |
| 11:34:49 | amiconn | LinusN: Any news regarding 1K sector support? |
| 11:34:55 | lachlan1212 | I havn't downloaded your video yet, its at about 30% |
| 11:35:01 | DataGhost | ok |
| 11:35:03 | * | GodEater 's first PC had only 4MB. |
| 11:35:08 | DataGhost | ha |
| 11:35:13 | DataGhost | my first had 640kB :) |
| 11:35:19 | GodEater | show off |
| 11:35:25 | DataGhost | Laser XT/III |
| 11:35:30 | DataGhost | 4,77MHz 8086 |
| 11:35:32 | GodEater | BillG : "640KB should be enough for anyone" |
| 11:35:36 | LinusN | amiconn: unfortunately not, i haven't found time to work on it |
| 11:35:37 | DataGhost | which could be clocked to 9,54MHz with a nifty program |
| 11:36:00 | lachlan1212 | I'm hoping I can install Xubuntu or something similar on it and it will spring to life again |
| 11:36:08 | DataGhost | heh |
| 11:36:20 | DataGhost | I hope you're not using windows vista on that thing now :P |
| 11:36:31 | lachlan1212 | I'm still running Win 98 *cries* |
| 11:36:38 | GodEater | lachlan : http://web.archive.org/web/20060513022941/http://www.funroll-loops.org/ |
| 11:36:55 | DataGhost | is it down? :o |
| 11:37:03 | DataGhost | ah ok |
| 11:37:05 | GodEater | been deleted as far as I can see |
| 11:37:16 | GodEater | shame - it always made me laugh |
| 11:37:19 | DataGhost | the author probably tried gentoo and saw that it wasn't as bad :P |
| 11:37:34 | GodEater | −−omg-optimized !!! |
| 11:37:49 | GodEater | oh it was definitely tongue in cheek anyway |
| 11:37:53 | GodEater | he didn't really mean gentoo was bad |
| 11:38:08 | GodEater | he was just poking fun at the people who thought it was the be all and end all of linux distros |
| 11:38:28 | GodEater | most of whom had no clue what they were talking about |
| 11:38:47 | GodEater | :rolleyes: |
| 11:39:14 | lachlan1212 | hahahaha that is hilarious |
| 11:39:34 | GodEater | despite the fun being poked at it there - it *is* a good system |
| 11:39:41 | GodEater | just don't expect miracles :) |
| 11:39:58 | GodEater | for low end hardware like yours - I recommend E17 for your desktop lachlan |
| 11:40:07 | lachlan1212 | to make matters worse, I havn't been able to defrag this Win 98 trainwreck for over 3 years because it stalls when I try |
| 11:40:09 | GodEater | even XFCE is a bit heavyweight these days |
| 11:40:17 | DataGhost | it does work great for my epia, by the way |
| 11:40:23 | GodEater | so Xubuntu might not be as great as you hope |
| 11:40:26 | DataGhost | it's got only 64kB of cache so I can optimize for that |
| 11:40:32 | lachlan1212 | so gentoo is optimised for peices of crap? |
| 11:40:43 | lachlan1212 | i thought it was a full distro |
| 11:40:48 | GodEater | gentoo itself is as optimised / unoptimised as you build it |
| 11:41:00 | DataGhost | you can optimize it for anything |
| 11:41:13 | lachlan1212 | ahh, I'm not that savvy with computers |
| 11:41:32 | DataGhost | it's just that you really start to notice the advantage of that on uncommon systems with, for example, a very small cache |
| 11:41:49 | lachlan1212 | I meant in the way that Xubuntu is potimised for slow computers- it is intended to run with mininal ram/proccesing speed |
| 11:42:08 | GodEater | I think even Xubuntu will struggle on a 64MB machine.... |
| 11:42:14 | lachlan1212 | s/potmised/optomised |
| 11:42:17 | GodEater | but you can only try :) |
| 11:42:36 | lachlan1212 | yeah, I really should set fire to this thing |
| 11:42:46 | lachlan1212 | but no money for a new computer:( |
| 11:42:48 | GodEater | it's certainly an easier install than gentoo if you're scared of techy things htough |
| 11:42:56 | GodEater | though gentoo's installer *has* improved |
| 11:43:16 | GodEater | anyway - that's enough OT talk from me |
| 11:43:22 | DataGhost | http://youtube.com/watch?v=-DWNcC2qR6A lachlan1212 |
| 11:43:37 | lachlan1212 | yeah, if I ever do end up switching to Linux, it will be a *buntu |
| 11:43:39 | scorche | this machine has 64 MB and it runs slack fine |
| 11:44:02 | lachlan1212 | haha i told you- my computer is to slow for youtube |
| 11:44:31 | DataGhost | lol |
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| 11:44:49 | scorche | actually, i take that back...this machine has 60M |
| 11:44:53 | GodEater | scorche: with a desktop environment too (i.e. X+whatever) ? |
| 11:45:02 | scorche | fluxbox |
| 11:45:06 | lachlan1212 | i think this is also a rather low quality computer, as i've used 98 on similarly endowed machinesand had it run much faster |
| 11:45:26 | * | GodEater thinks fluxbox is a little too much to expect for a "I just came from windows" user |
| 11:45:43 | hcs | I have a 2.4 GHz Pentium 4 and 768 MB of memory, but windows 98 can't manage it too efficiently |
| 11:46:17 | amiconn | Btw, what was the problem with sdl and framebuffer again? |
| 11:46:35 | amiconn | Maybe we could get away without X altogether for the vmware image |
| 11:47:53 | scorche | amiconn: that was one of the things changed from the first version to the second |
| 11:50:26 | lachlan1212 | DataGhost: I just watched your video, very nice |
| 11:50:42 | lachlan1212 | the one of you playing Doom that is |
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| 11:51:30 | scorche | as in no X > X |
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| 11:54:53 | DataGhost | :) |
| 11:55:35 | amiconn | scorche: Doesn't fluxbox use X? |
| 11:56:31 | scorche | amiconn: of course |
| 11:58:17 | amiconn | So the vmware image does have X |
| 11:58:25 | scorche | <scorche> as in no X > X |
| 11:58:59 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe this was unclear |
| 11:59:05 | amiconn | I would want to get rid of X |
| 11:59:09 | scorche | what i was meaning was that it was changed *from* that |
| 11:59:17 | scorche | yes, but why? |
| 11:59:18 | amiconn | ...for size considerations |
| 11:59:40 | scorche | ah |
| 11:59:53 | Mikachu | X is only a couple of MBs |
| 11:59:56 | amiconn | Also, this fluxbox is worse than pure commandline imho, and a real gui system is too big |
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| 12:00:15 | scorche | what is so wrong with fluxbox? |
| 12:00:20 | amiconn | I do run a linux VM myself, but it's 2GB + |
| 12:02:13 | scorche | amiconn: why do you think fluxbox is worse that pure commandline? |
| 12:02:59 | lachlan1212 | has anyone heard of the new AOL player coming out this year? |
| 12:03:25 | lachlan1212 | http://digitalmusic.weblogsinc.com/2007/01/11/aols-new-wi-fi-enabled-media-player/ it runs LINUX, has wi-fi and bluetooth |
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| 12:04:37 | GodEater | amiconn: although I'm not a fan of fluxbox myself - I think losing X entirely is a mistake. People who use the vmware dev environment need somewhere to run their simulator builds. |
| 12:04:41 | lachlan1212 | and i daresay, if you bashed it against an ipod repeatedly it would come out thwe winner |
| 12:04:59 | lachlan1212 | s/thwe/the |
| 12:05:22 | Mikachu | GodEater: the point would be to run the sim outside X |
| 12:05:54 | Mikachu | lachlan1212: you can still sign the linux kernel to lock it down |
| 12:06:26 | scorche | GodEater, amiconn: would switching to xfce satisfy your dislike of fluxbox? |
| 12:06:35 | lachlan1212 | Mikachu: what exatly do you mean? |
| 12:07:14 | GodEater | looks like it was built to survive a direct hit from a nuke! |
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| 12:07:49 | lachlan1212 | it is made of strong, strong metal |
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| 12:08:34 | lachlan1212 | it was designed by a company that makes kitchen appliances, which explains its resemblance to a fridge |
| 12:08:47 | amiconn | GodEater: That's why I was asking what the problem with using the framebuffer from sdl was |
| 12:09:00 | amiconn | sdl is supposed to be able to work without X |
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| 12:09:22 | GodEater | has anyone tried running a sim like that ? |
| 12:09:44 | GodEater | scorche: also, you're the chap who kindly built the current VM image - the choice of WM is entirely yours :) |
| 12:09:46 | Mikachu | lachlan1212: digital keys and all that |
| 12:10:14 | Mikachu | anyone can change the wm once they installed the vm for themselves |
| 12:10:18 | GodEater | I'm not bothered one way or the other. I don't personally like fluxbox - but it's far from a bad choice |
| 12:10:41 | GodEater | at least you didn't choose ratpoison or something even more weird. |
| 12:10:53 | scorche | i actually didnt choose fluxbox |
| 12:10:58 | scorche | but i do like it |
| 12:11:04 | GodEater | then leave it alone |
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| 12:11:20 | GodEater | XFCE would be huge compared to FB |
| 12:11:53 | GodEater | WM's are *such* a personal taste thing, it's pointless trying to please everyone at once |
| 12:12:08 | scorche | agreed, but it is still relatively light-weight, and if other people would vastly prefer it... |
| 12:12:21 | lachlan1212 | Mikachu: at the risk of appearing even stupider than I am, I still don't follow- are you talking about the linux based mp3 player? |
| 12:12:29 | GodEater | well I don't actually *use* the VM image - so I don't think my opinion counts |
| 12:12:29 | Mikachu | lachlan1212: yeah |
| 12:12:50 | Mikachu | i only host it :) |
| 12:13:12 | scorche | then again, it is meaningless to change when people can do that for themselves |
| 12:13:15 | bluebrother | scorche: use evilwm *fg* |
| 12:14:04 | GodEater | doesn't the current set of instructions for using the VMware image assume fluxbox in the "how to start a terminal" bit ? |
| 12:14:14 | GodEater | if you changed to XFCE you'd have to re-write it |
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| 12:14:23 | lachlan1212 | Mikachu: what exactly then are digital keys? |
| 12:14:24 | Mikachu | if you care about what wm is used, surely you can figure out how to start a terminal |
| 12:14:42 | GodEater | Mikachu: I'd have thought so |
| 12:14:47 | Mikachu | lachlan1212: a way to make sure only binaries built by the manufacturer runs on the device |
| 12:15:01 | scorche | well, regardless, there is no reason to change from fluxbox... |
| 12:15:07 | Mikachu | GodEater: didn't see that bit about changing the default when i wrote that |
| 12:15:13 | GodEater | scorche: I agree - leave it bit :) |
| 12:15:23 | GodEater | s/bit/be |
| 12:15:26 | scorche | and if we were to put out an X-less version, we would still have the X version for those who want it |
| 12:15:45 | Mikachu | if you're hardcore you'll make an image with a win32 cross compiler :) |
| 12:16:05 | * | scorche has never compiled in linux for win32 |
| 12:16:12 | GodEater | nor me |
| 12:16:21 | Mikachu | i have |
| 12:16:27 | Mikachu | i think |
| 12:16:30 | GodEater | clearly we need to make the sim run under Mono/.NET ;) |
| 12:16:42 | * | scorche slaps GodEater |
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| 12:16:48 | Mikachu | or maybe i did use my moms computer for that |
| 12:16:51 | GodEater | it *was* a joke ;) |
| 12:17:09 | lachlan1212 | Mikachu: ahh I see now, but I believe I read somewhere that it was open to outsopen to outside developers |
| 12:17:12 | GodEater | no no - youre' right - poor taste |
| 12:17:19 | * | GodEater goes to lash himself |
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| 12:19:36 | GodEater | http://pastebin.ca/329063 |
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| 13:01:46 | markun | GodEater: :) |
| 13:03:41 | Bagder | (from discussion earlier) yeah, sdl should be able to work on plain framebuffer |
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| 13:06:58 | Bagder | although I've not personally used it |
| 13:07:21 | Bagder | only raw fb, directfb and qte for me |
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| 13:09:57 | Mikachu | sdl can use aalib too, but it might be hard to actually use the sim then :) |
| 13:10:06 | Bagder | haha |
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| 13:15:09 | n1s | I'm fiddeling with safetydan's lang cleanup and wanted to unify some *_RECORDER and *_PLAYER strings to just * and wondered if I shoul use player:"short string" *:"long string" or lcd_charcell:"short string" (and *:"long string")? |
| 13:16:12 | Bagder | I doubt we will ever get another charcell device so I don't think it matters much |
| 13:16:23 | n1s | 'k |
| 13:17:20 | markun | barrywardell: with the bootloader we get a -1 one the Gigabeat, didn't try to debug yet |
| 13:18:33 | safetydan | n1s, there's a couple of other places where the lcd_charcell feature is used. Maybe replace them with player as well |
| 13:19:44 | barrywardell | markun: hmmm. I'll have a look at that |
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| 13:21:11 | n1s | safetydan: ok :) |
| 13:21:40 | safetydan | n1s, I look forward to your additions |
| 13:21:45 | safetydan | and with that, it's sleep time |
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| 13:22:24 | Bagder | its great to see my features patch being taken into something good |
| 13:24:50 | barrywardell | markun: try removing the leading '/' in line 236 |
| 13:25:30 | Mikachu | would it be a crazy idea to not have all the english strings hardocded in the image? |
| 13:25:45 | Mikachu | or just the ones you need to select a new language in the menus |
| 13:26:23 | Bagder | Mikachu: the area is still needed to load new strings in, so it isn't a waste |
| 13:26:37 | Mikachu | ah, i was under impression that new language strings were loaded into another area |
| 13:26:55 | Mikachu | i was just thinking from the constrained flash area perspective |
| 13:27:14 | Bagder | imho, we need to drop the flashing of archoses |
| 13:27:35 | Bagder | or make "light" versions for them |
| 13:27:56 | scorche | such as removing tagcache? |
| 13:28:01 | Mikachu | isn't that was rombox is? |
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| 13:28:08 | Mikachu | what* |
| 13:28:23 | n1s | Maybe 3.0 can be the last official RomBox release for archos, [IDC]Dragon said he managed to squeeze 15 out of BootBox and that should just make it fit... |
| 13:28:34 | n1s | 15kbytes |
| 13:29:03 | scorche | Mikachu: not in the sense of light that he is thinking of, i'm sure |
| 13:29:47 | Bagder | scorche: like that, yes |
| 13:30:27 | scorche | honestly, it is a nice thing to keep around and work towards...saving binary size benefits all targets (ignoring target specific optimizations) and rombox provides more motivation towards it |
| 13:30:30 | Bagder | I'm getting annoyed by all the red builds |
| 13:30:48 | Mikachu | make the broken builds blue :) |
| 13:30:49 | Bagder | I want green! |
| 13:31:05 | pixelma | Bagder: then optimise the code :P |
| 13:31:12 | Bagder | it won't help much |
| 13:31:19 | Bagder | we'll just postpone the death another month |
| 13:33:17 | scorche | then it is a constant reminder to optimize |
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| 13:33:57 | Bagder | unfortunately, I think it works more like we won't notice when we _really_ break things |
| 13:34:07 | pixelma | optimisation would help all targets |
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| 13:36:53 | Bagder | yes, but still |
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| 13:37:31 | scorche` | however, as you know, i (and possibly just i) am of the opinion that we should put a separate TEMPORARY build for rombox that takes out (at least for now) tagcache...and have it clearly stated of course |
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| 13:40:04 | barrywardell | markun: I've updated the patch again with what I hope will fix the problem. Can you test again please? |
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| 13:50:44 | barrywardell | LinusN: any luck with testing FS #6554? |
| 13:52:36 | DataGhost | lol. the stupidity of some people |
| 13:52:44 | DataGhost | I just had to explain someone that what he did was wrong |
| 13:53:06 | DataGhost | intentionally destroying data on one of the drives in a raid1, leaving the raid superblock (software raid) and filesystem intact |
| 13:53:13 | DataGhost | and then doing fsck on the array without rebuilding it |
| 13:53:37 | DataGhost | and now he wonders 'what kind of data protection is this?' because his data is trashed. all of it. on both disks |
| 13:53:51 | DataGhost | and it was vital data :') |
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| 14:07:36 | deever | hi |
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| 14:07:55 | ppeom | somebody help me.. |
| 14:08:15 | massiveH | ppeom: that's kind of vauge... |
| 14:08:32 | ppeom | I want to show display album art.. |
| 14:08:33 | scorche | not just "kind of"... |
| 14:08:48 | scorche | ppeom: that is an unsupported feature....talk to the patch maker |
| 14:09:03 | deever | does rockbox work without theses silly f00, f01, ...folders on the iPod? |
| 14:09:17 | ppeom | cover.bmp |
| 14:09:53 | scorche | deever: considering that those werent created with rockbox, yes... |
| 14:10:31 | scorche | wait a sec....where are those folders? |
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| 14:10:47 | deever | scorche: no, i still have the original firmware running |
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| 14:11:17 | scorche | ah...then nevermind...yes it does (i should sleep...) |
| 14:12:14 | deever | they are under iPod_Control/Music |
| 14:12:32 | scorche | yes...with rockbox, you dont need to use itunes |
| 14:12:44 | massiveH | deever: they might be for the original firmware... |
| 14:13:06 | scorche | massiveH: that is why he asked about rockbox and not the OF... |
| 14:13:35 | deever | no itunes, but, instead, .m3u-style playlists? |
| 14:14:03 | massiveH | you can use itunes, but you need to use the "database" I think |
| 14:14:31 | scorche | deever: you just load the music through drag-and-drop or any other method really...rockbox relies on playlists, but you do not need to load the playlists in order to play |
| 14:14:37 | linuxstb_ | deever: Do you want to continue to be able to play your music in the Apple firmware? |
| 14:15:20 | deever | linuxstb_: don't know yet! ;) |
| 14:15:46 | scorche | deever: well, if you do, then you will need those folders |
| 14:16:06 | deever | yes, i see..:) |
| 14:16:35 | scorche | otherwise, you can skip itunes and load songs on a different way....but, you wont be able to use them in the OF (most of us never use the OF anyway though...) |
| 14:17:56 | deever | OF? |
| 14:18:04 | massiveH | original firmware |
| 14:18:06 | scorche | original firmware |
| 14:18:22 | hcs | outfield |
| 14:18:26 | deever | ok, obvious! |
| 14:18:36 | deever | hcs: ;) |
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| 14:20:30 | deever | but does RB support .m3u-style playlists? |
| 14:20:50 | massiveH | yeah, and .m3u8 |
| 14:22:06 | deever | cool, so i don't need these XML-"crap"-playlists! :) |
| 14:22:30 | scorche | you dont need anything in the iPod folders |
| 14:23:13 | deever | scorche: s/iPod/iTunes/ ;) |
| 14:23:54 | linuxstb_ | s/iTunes// |
| 14:24:36 | scorche | s/folders/folders that are on the device at present |
| 14:25:24 | deever | s#present#present/# |
| 14:25:33 | deever | SCNR! ;) |
| 14:26:27 | deever | is there a way to work without iTunes but with the OF on windous? |
| 14:26:46 | scorche | there are, but they are out of the focus of this channel |
| 14:26:52 | deever | ok |
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| 14:33:45 | tanq | ok I can't seem to make a database file |
| 14:34:17 | tanq | rockbox can't make one on my ipod and songdn.pl fails |
| 14:34:36 | tanq | I noticed there are a lot of "Bad file descriptor" errors |
| 14:35:02 | tanq | and at the very end it says "couldnt open database_0_tcd at songdb.pl line 362" |
| 14:36:16 | tanq | i wonder, for the ipod, if i'm better of converting my ituneb to the rockbox format. |
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| 14:36:32 | tanq | than trying to work 30+ gig of raw files |
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| 14:41:18 | hcs | you'd be best off writing a program to do it so the lazy people of the world can use it |
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| 14:52:53 | tucoz | Regarding the discussion earlier on X in the vmware image. Wouldn't e17 work for this? I use it regardless of its in-development status. It feels snappy and would probably run on relatively low-end hardware |
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| 15:09:44 | tanq | i don' think that these have the hardware necessary for e17 |
| 15:09:58 | tanq | sure it could probably run it, but as far as usability. |
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| 15:11:39 | Mikachu | the issue isn't really the wm |
| 15:13:07 | tucoz | i thought e17 had quite low demands |
| 15:13:20 | tanq | if I have updates to songdb.pl where do I submit those. |
| 15:13:31 | tucoz | the tracker |
| 15:13:40 | perldiver | does cuesheet support patch still conflict with the album art one? |
| 15:14:28 | deever | i got an error while reading the original bootloader from ipod! |
| 15:14:30 | deever | [INFO] Reading partition table from /dev/sda1 |
| 15:14:30 | deever | [INFO] Sector size is 2048 bytes |
| 15:14:30 | deever | [ERR] Bad boot sector signature |
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| 15:15:26 | linuxstb_ | deever: Why are you using /dev/sda1? |
| 15:16:33 | tanq | do the database files go in .rockbox? |
| 15:16:51 | linuxstb_ | tanq: Yes. |
| 15:16:55 | deever | because it's the original firmware's partition? |
| 15:16:56 | tanq | i've never gotten anything to create one for me so I have no idea where it should go... ok. |
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| 15:17:46 | linuxstb_ | deever: Run ipodpatcher with no arguments to see the usage. |
| 15:17:52 | deever | linuxstb_: and the partition with the sound files is /dev/sda2 |
| 15:17:53 | linuxstb_ | Or do ipodpatcher −−scan |
| 15:19:19 | deever | oh, the "boot sector signature"! AA55 iirc! ;) |
| 15:19:21 | deever | sorry |
| 15:22:49 | deever | cool, it's running! :) |
| 15:24:10 | linuxstb_ | tanq: You should try and speak to Slasheri the next time he's here - he should hopefully be able to help you debug the problem (he wrote the database). |
| 15:25:11 | tanq | well i'm thinking since it is taking my desktop this long to process the files on my ipod.. |
| 15:25:19 | perldiver | ah brickmania menu screen is still broken |
| 15:25:21 | tanq | that my ipod was going to take at least a week |
| 15:26:36 | tanq | I rewrote some of songdb.pl and it is actually moving way faster than the current file in svn |
| 15:27:22 | tanq | well off to get some coffee whil this crunches along. |
| 15:27:39 | tanq | s/whil/while/ |
| 15:28:30 | hcs | does songdb.pl work? |
| 15:28:42 | hcs | after the database was changed it wasn't, has it been fixed? |
| 15:28:59 | Bagder | it has |
| 15:29:41 | hcs | oh, good, I should get itdb2db fixed up |
| 15:31:55 | tanq | oh there already is one of those.. |
| 15:32:07 | tanq | i was pondering a itunesdb conversion script |
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| 15:34:28 | linuxstb_ | tanq: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ConvertiTunesDBtoTagCache |
| 15:40:15 | Bagder | cvsstat is a cool little script that would be fun to run on rockbox |
| 15:40:33 | Bagder | like this => http://statcvs.josefsson.org/libssh2/ |
| 15:40:44 | Bagder | (for the libssh2 project obviously) |
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| 15:42:31 | hcs | tanq, feel free to fix mine... |
| 15:42:59 | tucoz | Bagder: the codec imports will look great in those stats :) |
| 15:43:13 | Bagder | indeed! |
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| 15:43:45 | * | tucoz spots a familiar name in the list of developers |
| 15:43:56 | * | Bagder whistles |
| 15:44:26 | Bagder | at 8% |
| 15:44:29 | Bagder | and counting |
| 15:45:17 | tucoz | hehe. developer of the month in both november and december. congratulations |
| 15:45:30 | Bagder | yeah, and I have a ~160K patch pending ;-) |
| 15:45:41 | Bagder | the mother of all monster patches |
| 15:45:53 | markun | Bagder: tab -> spaces patch? :) |
| 15:45:59 | Bagder | haha, I wish |
| 15:46:37 | Bagder | I'm doing paid libssh2 development to improve curl's SSH-related support |
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| 15:50:36 | n1s | Any ata.c wizards here? Someone reported in the tracker that disk does not spin down immediately after a rebuffer on standard svn but it does if he calls ara_spindown(-1); |
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| 15:51:48 | n1s | FS #6566 |
| 15:51:55 | LinusN | n1s: sounds really odd |
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| 15:53:40 | LinusN | n1s: hmmm, i see a change in the ata thread that might explain it |
| 15:54:57 | LinusN | it looks like there is a 2 second delay there, since the ata callback was introduced |
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| 15:58:30 | pixelma | I think that was on purpose (has to do with saving changed settings and so on) - amiconn explained that to me once but I keep forgetting the details |
| 15:58:39 | LinusN | i believe so too |
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| 15:59:06 | fleytin | Hi, all! could anybody tell me, where the detailed changelogs are published now? |
| 15:59:09 | n1s | it better be left alone then |
| 15:59:27 | n1s | fleytin: on the frontpage |
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| 16:00:17 | fleytin | n1s: They are too brief comparing to previous one which were provided on cvs. |
| 16:00:56 | GodEater | I can't say I'd noticed a difference |
| 16:00:56 | LinusN | too brief? how? |
| 16:01:42 | massiveH | I think he means there are only a few changes visible. |
| 16:01:57 | massiveH | I think he wants to see farther back. |
| 16:01:59 | bluebrother | there are still the since... links available |
| 16:02:06 | bluebrother | like before |
| 16:02:21 | markun | fleytin: please explain it a bit more |
| 16:02:31 | Bagder | they are provided exactly as much as before |
| 16:03:57 | linuxstb_ | Are people just becoming briefer in their commit messages? |
| 16:04:21 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 16:04:37 | * | linuxstb_ is now curious to find the longest commit message |
| 16:04:44 | Bagder | hehe |
| 16:05:12 | pixelma | the shortest being "Oops" ;) |
| 16:05:19 | * | linuxstb_ decides against and goes back to work |
| 16:05:40 | deever | Hey, guys! Thank you for Rockbox! It ROCKS!! :) |
| 16:05:54 | markun | deever: you are welcome :) |
| 16:07:32 | pixelma | markun: I've seen the Chicago-font link in the logs (though that's the one I found too). Still thanks for remembering it :) |
| 16:07:43 | markun | oops :) |
| 16:08:56 | deever | also, what i want to mention is the fantastic manual! 144 pages should be enough not to oversee a feature! :) |
| 16:10:01 | markun | deever: but also prevents people from reading it and asking the same questions over and over again here and in the forums.. |
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| 16:10:16 | bluebrother | and, to be exact, the manual isn't even completely up to date ;-) |
| 16:10:24 | Nico_P | LinusN, linuxstb_: had a look at the cuesheet patch ? |
| 16:10:28 | markun | well, doesn't prevent them from doing the last part.. :) |
| 16:11:07 | bluebrother | we should strip features out of Rockbox until we can describe everything in a 10 paged manual *g* |
| 16:11:13 | * | bluebrother ducks |
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| 16:12:39 | LinusN | Nico_P: no, sorry |
| 16:13:03 | fleytin | Sorry, guys, evrything looks fine now. |
| 16:13:44 | Nico_P | LinusN: no problem |
| 16:13:56 | Nico_P | you think you'll gave some time toaday ? |
| 16:14:08 | Nico_P | s/gave/have |
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| 16:14:48 | Moos | Nico_P: is your patch ready for SVN now? bug free... |
| 16:14:54 | LinusN | Nico_P: we'll see if i find some time this evening |
| 16:15:14 | Nico_P | Moos: i hope so but i haven't had much testing |
| 16:15:15 | Moos | hehe, LinusN the famous busy man :) |
| 16:15:24 | LinusN | tell me about it |
| 16:15:56 | markun | pixelma: did you find any trace of a double size (hi-res) Chicago font? |
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| 16:16:15 | Nico_P | the thing is that tomorrow i'm leaving for a week of ski so i won't be around and i'd rather my patch didn't get forgotten ;) |
| 16:16:31 | Moos | chanceux :P |
| 16:16:39 | Nico_P | :D |
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| 16:17:32 | Moos | don't worries ! :-) |
| 16:18:34 | Moos | Nico_P: and what's about your album art patch? ready too? |
| 16:19:16 | Nico_P | Moos: album art is another matter... some people want it commited soon and some don't |
| 16:19:34 | Nico_P | LinusN: actually i wanted to know your view on that too |
| 16:20:03 | Nico_P | Moos: so if it were to be commited i'd have to make some changes but basically it's almost ready |
| 16:20:24 | Moos | okies |
| 16:20:45 | Moos | just wondering (I don't use AA anymore) |
| 16:21:25 | pixelma | markun: I didn't find any other than the the mentioned pix-chacago that could be used right away if that's what you mean. I'm even not sure what I could do with it (which font size it could actually end up if I start editing it). |
| 16:21:27 | LinusN | i think AA should wait until we have in-buffer storage |
| 16:21:30 | lostlogic | Nico_P: did you do full metadata on buffer for it? |
| 16:21:34 | lostlogic | ah, I'll take that for a no. |
| 16:21:47 | Moos | LinusN: same as cueeshit, no? |
| 16:21:50 | Nico_P | lostlogic: indeed it's no |
| 16:22:00 | lostlogic | Nico_P: You can do it, I know you can! :) |
| 16:22:05 | Bagder | I could live with it added without MoB |
| 16:22:05 | LinusN | Moos: a freudian slip there? |
| 16:22:11 | Nico_P | Moos: AA is much more memory hungry |
| 16:22:18 | Moos | haha :-D |
| 16:22:41 | lostlogic | Bagder: I think AA should remain a motivator for MoB |
| 16:22:46 | Nico_P | lostlogic: i wish i could but it just seems too much for me |
| 16:23:05 | Bagder | lostlogic: unfortunately I don't think it works as a motivator |
| 16:23:11 | lostlogic | :( |
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| 16:23:21 | Nico_P | lostlogic: it doesn't seem to be a very good motivator seeing how long wev' had AA but not MoB |
| 16:23:22 | linuxstb_ | 8 months with an AA patch and still no MoB.... |
| 16:23:40 | LinusN | i agree that it is better to commit it as-is than let it rot in the tracker |
| 16:23:49 | Moos | linuxstb: indeed |
| 16:23:51 | lostlogic | okokok anyone want to come over to my place in Chicago this weekend and stand over me with a whip until I write MoB? |
| 16:23:53 | LinusN | as long as it doesn't have any impact on the archos |
| 16:24:09 | * | linuxstb_ declines lostlogic's invitation to whip him |
| 16:24:13 | LinusN | lostlogic: tempting, i must say :-) |
| 16:24:15 | lostlogic | :-P |
| 16:24:27 | Moos | lostlogic: didn't you started work on MoB? |
| 16:24:37 | lostlogic | Moos: I mostly wrote it once upon a time |
| 16:24:41 | Nico_P | LinusN: it does nothing unless there's the WPS tag |
| 16:24:53 | linuxstb_ | LinusN: AA won't be enabled for mono targets, so that's not an issue. Cuesheet support would work fine on HWCODEC, so that will increase codesize. |
| 16:24:53 | LinusN | Nico_P: i mean code size |
| 16:25:05 | Moos | lostlogic: that what I remenbered |
| 16:25:20 | linuxstb_ | (I'm assuming we won't enable AA for mono targets....) |
| 16:25:22 | Nico_P | LinusN: it's ifedefed (HAVE_LCD_BITMAP)... is that enough ? |
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| 16:25:28 | lostlogic | Moos: but it didn't work and something else more important interrupted me which also invalidated my patch |
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| 16:25:57 | pixelma | Nico_P: most of the Archos targets have a (mono) bitmap lcd... |
| 16:26:01 | LinusN | Nico_P: no, it has to be disabled for targets with monochrome main lcd |
| 16:26:12 | Nico_P | ok so HAVE_LCD_COLOR it is |
| 16:26:12 | Moos | lostlogic: no luck for this try then :-) |
| 16:26:26 | LinusN | or rather, targets with too little memory :-) |
| 16:26:47 | linuxstb_ | We could enable for LCD_DEPTH > 1 |
| 16:26:47 | Nico_P | LinusN: then we need HAVE_BIG_MEM :) |
| 16:26:54 | Bagder | I would think that AA looks rather silly on 2bit LCDs too |
| 16:27:04 | LinusN | #define HAVE_FEAR_OF_AMICONN |
| 16:27:17 | Moos | haha :-D |
| 16:27:19 | Bagder | LinusN: nah, that would be all targets :-) |
| 16:27:20 | lostlogic | lawl |
| 16:27:31 | markun | Any left-to-WPS guys in here? Can you answer me in the forum thread? |
| 16:27:47 | LinusN | markun: we kick them from the channel when we spot them |
| 16:27:48 | linuxstb_ | markun: Are you looking for people in favour or against? |
| 16:27:58 | lowlight | lostlogic: http://www.geocities.com/m_arigo/rockbox/mdob.patch.txt |
| 16:27:58 | lowlight | lostlogic: http://www.geocities.com/m_arigo/rockbox/mdob.patch.txt |
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| 16:28:25 | markun | linuxstb_: I want to know what they think about that patch if we get a root menu.. |
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| 16:28:50 | LinusN | lowlight: talk about hit-and-run :-) |
| 16:28:57 | Nico_P | ok and should i use buffer_alloc to make room for a few bitmaps in order to have the disk spin less ? or just have it spin each time a new bitmap is needed ? |
| 16:29:22 | ppeom | Can change album art location? |
| 16:29:28 | * | LinusN has to go, cu around |
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| 16:29:38 | lostlogic | lowlight: what is the working and applying status of this patch? |
| 16:30:04 | lostlogic | lowlight: your approach is remarkably different from mine and reflects our different areas of knowledge. |
| 16:30:04 | Moos | Nico_P: less spin better will be imho |
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| 16:30:20 | markun | ppeom: location of what? |
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| 16:30:36 | markun | ppeom: the file? |
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| 16:30:49 | * | n1s is gone for the weekend, tembuilding ;D |
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| 16:30:59 | Moos | markun: the cover maybe |
| 16:31:04 | ppeom | yes |
| 16:31:18 | ppeom | cover.bmp wps location ... |
| 16:31:35 | markun | Moos: ok, you answer him, I have no clue about AA :) |
| 16:31:53 | Moos | no more here neither :) |
| 16:32:14 | linuxstb_ | Do you mean the location the image is displayed on the screen, or the location of the bmp files on the disk? |
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| 16:33:42 | Nico_P | ppeom: if you mean the location in memory then it's currently in the WPS image buffer |
| 16:35:41 | low_light | lostlogic: it works except I don't allow buffering to overwrite the metadata buffer of the current file (until I figure out how to move the metadata within the buffer) |
| 16:37:05 | Moos | that's already good :) |
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| 16:37:34 | low_light | lostlogic: I thought it was easiest to simply replace the id3v2buf with one of arbitrary size |
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| 16:37:54 | Moos | lowlight: are you still working on it? |
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| 16:38:39 | low_light | lostlogic: and that way everything still handled by metadata.c |
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| 16:41:01 | low_light | Moos: need to do some testing. |
| 16:41:31 | Moos | is the patch in the tracker? |
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| 16:41:44 | low_light | no |
| 16:42:22 | linuxstb_ | low_light: I thought there would be one fixed static metadata buffer for the current track and the data would be copied from the audio buffer to that static buffer when the track was played? |
| 16:43:40 | lostlogic | linuxstb_: that was my patch's strategy |
| 16:44:12 | lostlogic | low_light: in your method it looks like the track structs still exist in a statically allocated area |
| 16:44:18 | lostlogic | I was also trying to move those to the buffer |
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| 16:45:43 | low_light | lostlogic: I was going to try that, but it required more changes to playback.c than I wanted to make |
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| 16:49:43 | low_light | linuxstb_, lostlogic: the metadata can easily by copied to a static buffer when the track is played...how big? |
| 16:50:50 | tokyotourist | Hi, my H140 is flashed ( a while ago), Rombox. i accidently excuted rockbox.iriver do i have to reflash ? |
| 16:51:44 | markun | tokyotourist: sounds unlikely |
| 16:52:32 | tokyotourist | ok, so i can just reload my config file and its business as usual ? |
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| 16:53:10 | markun | tokyotourist: ah, the settings got reset? |
| 16:53:24 | tokyotourist | yes |
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| 16:54:28 | markun | tokyotourist: I think you should first reboot to get back to your rombox kernel or they will probably reset again on reboot |
| 16:54:40 | pixelma | tokyotourist: if rockbox.iriver is just the firmware file (as I assume) you just rolo'ed it. If you now shut the player off and on it should load the firmware from flash as it used to be (at least this is how it works on my Ondio) |
| 16:56:03 | linuxstb_ | low_light: I don't think we have a choice - it needs to be a worst-case static buffer. But we could allocate it with buffer_alloc() at boot time, and it would only allocate space for things like album-art and cuesheets if those features were enabled. |
| 16:56:08 | lostlogic | low_light: that's what I was talking about our different approaches, since I'm most familiar with playback.c, I started with putting the track structs on the buffer and actually I don't remember touching metadata.c at all, maybe that's why my code never worked... |
| 16:56:34 | tokyotourist | hmm, after accidently "Rolo'ing" it, i did restart the player, but it didn't restore my settings, thats why I reloaded my config file |
| 16:57:17 | tokyotourist | which is why i was wondering if i had to reflash it |
| 16:57:19 | lostlogic | low_light: did metadata.c used to keep tag the id3 tags from the files actually in memory after it loaded them into the track struct and gave them back to playback? |
| 16:58:27 | lostlogic | I think if we move the track structs to the buffer and then allocate a track struct separate from the buffer it will have the 'right' amount of space. |
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| 17:00:09 | bluebrother | tokyotourist: did you install a current version? Settings are stored in a plain file since a couple of dayz |
| 17:00:15 | bluebrother | *days |
| 17:00:48 | tokyotourist | nope unforetunately my build is two weeks old |
| 17:01:47 | low_light | lostlogic: not really sure what you mean (about metadata.c). it loads the metadata from a file into tracks[].id3 and uses it's id3v2buf to store string data |
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| 17:02:36 | low_light | id3v2buf is currently 300 bytes |
| 17:02:45 | low_light | for each track |
| 17:03:42 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: what you say implies there would be a limit to the max size of album art |
| 17:04:59 | Mikachu | can't you just render the album art directly on the wps backdrop? |
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| 17:06:47 | Nico_P | Mikachu: i don't know about that but anyway it wouldn't change the problem much... |
| 17:07:21 | lostlogic | low_light: gotcha yeah, so the MoB can be achieved without touching metadata.c as I was trying to do it, if you move the tracks entirely onto the buffer. |
| 17:07:53 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: I would make Rockbox allocate the buffer based on the size specified in the WPS - meaning a reboot is needed when the user changes WPSs. |
| 17:08:08 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: ah, yes, forgot about that |
| 17:08:49 | low_light | lostlogic: but with a fixed size id3v2buf? |
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| 17:09:24 | lostlogic | low_light: yes, it's only one that's statically allocated now, so 's no biggie. |
| 17:09:34 | lostlogic | low_light: like linuxstb_ said, one worst case static area |
| 17:09:47 | lostlogic | including max image size and max id3 size |
| 17:10:42 | low_light | but there's more than one track loaded at a time |
| 17:10:57 | low_light | s/loaded/buffered/ |
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| 17:12:03 | linuxstb_ | The current track's data is in the static buffer, and the data for all the other tracks is in the audio buffer - and copied to the static buffer when they are played. |
| 17:12:12 | lostlogic | what he said. |
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| 17:14:54 | low_light | got that...but what's the point if you continue to use a fixed size id3v2buf for the "other tracks" |
| 17:15:17 | lostlogic | low_light: fixed size, but on the audio buffer a couple of hundred bytes not matters |
| 17:15:20 | linuxstb_ | The point is that you don't have a fixed number of metadata buffers (currently 32 on swcodec). |
| 17:16:18 | linuxstb_ | Apparently it's the "norwegian language course problem"... |
| 17:16:39 | tokyotourist | wondering if .rockbox wouldn't be a better place for rockbox.iriver file, instead of root |
| 17:17:12 | lostlogic | tokyotourist: I believe it's allowed to be placed in there. |
| 17:17:15 | linuxstb_ | tokyotourist: You can move it there if you want - the bootloader looks in both plavces. |
| 17:17:29 | tokyotourist | ah thats nice |
| 17:17:54 | linuxstb_ | But be careful - it looks in .rockbox first, so don't forget to always move it after unzipping a new build. |
| 17:18:04 | Arathis | barrywardell: did I hear right, that there's a rockboy patch for h10? |
| 17:18:07 | tokyotourist | thanks |
| 17:18:38 | linuxstb_ | Arathis: Yes, it's on the patch tracker. |
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| 17:19:15 | Arathis | and it works for all h10? |
| 17:19:16 | * | pondlife hears the sound of buffered metadata |
| 17:19:28 | * | lostlogic hugs pondlife |
| 17:19:41 | pondlife | lostlogic: Don't hug - document! |
| 17:19:44 | linuxstb_ | Arathis: I think so, check the patch comments. |
| 17:19:55 | lostlogic | want to come over and make me code this weekend? :-P |
| 17:20:16 | pondlife | lostlogic: Hmm, you've been coding with Myzar?? |
| 17:20:24 | pondlife | ;-) |
| 17:20:24 | lostlogic | myzar??? |
| 17:20:39 | pondlife | Bad joke, read ALL the IRC logs |
| 17:21:04 | pondlife | Anyway, can I suggest that either you or lowlight document the proposed buffer format before too soon... |
| 17:21:20 | lostlogic | pondlife: well that's just it |
| 17:21:26 | pondlife | I personally want rid of as much of the tracks structure as possible! |
| 17:21:29 | lostlogic | our proposed formats differ fundamentally |
| 17:21:46 | pondlife | So lets have a format war |
| 17:21:48 | lostlogic | pondlife: rid of it? I just want to move it as-is onto the buffer |
| 17:22:05 | pondlife | We'll want to keep a start pointer for each track at least. |
| 17:22:35 | low_light | linuxstb_, lostlogic: But you are saying the static metadata buffer is of variable size determined at boot depending on the features loaded enabled... |
| 17:22:55 | low_light | ...so how can you have a fixed size buffer for the "other tracks" |
| 17:23:41 | tokyotourist | when i used "Create Playlist" it also scanned the contents of my Recycle Bin, is this a bug or a feature ? |
| 17:24:18 | linuxstb_ | You can have variable-sized buffers (variable in terms of having or not having optional components like cuesheets and album art), one for each track in the audio buffer. |
| 17:24:23 | pondlife | I'm imagining an audio buffer where nothing is fixed size - it's all serialised, and each bit of info is prefixed by a header. |
| 17:25:03 | pondlife | We can then just decide whether the buffering bothers with the album art data or not, depending on the config. |
| 17:25:22 | pondlife | The playback code will then be a buffer parser. |
| 17:25:34 | pondlife | Does any of that waffle make sense? |
| 17:26:41 | pondlife | But the key is getting this documented, then we can have one person/group work on the buffering, and another person/group on the playback/unbuffering. |
| 17:26:45 | linuxstb_ | pondlife: Yes, but we need one static buffer to store the metadata for the currently playing track - we don't want the complication of leaving it in the audio buffer, and dealing with moving it around. |
| 17:27:24 | pondlife | Why not just have a pointer to it in the buffer? I don't see the extraction being particularly slow. |
| 17:27:43 | linuxstb_ | What happens when you're playing a track larger than the buffer? |
| 17:28:04 | pondlife | Good point! |
| 17:28:26 | pondlife | I suppose you're right; either that or we need to be able to scroll a window within the buffer . urgh. |
| 17:28:49 | pondlife | What about next track info - that too? |
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| 17:29:10 | pondlife | Or is it reasonable to only display that once we've got space to buffer it? |
| 17:29:32 | low_light | next track is also a problem when the current track is greater than the buffer |
| 17:29:41 | linuxstb_ | That's how it works now - the next track info is only displayed when the start of the next track is buffered. |
| 17:29:42 | low_light | in my approach |
| 17:29:52 | * | pondlife turns up unannounced after 2 months and spouts off uninformed thoughts. |
| 17:30:22 | pondlife | I don't think next track is so important - I'd be happy to wait, but I don't DJ with long tracks. |
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| 17:30:48 | low_light | I thought next track info is loaded even if the next track is not loaded |
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| 17:30:58 | linuxstb_ | low_light: Not afaik. |
| 17:31:11 | Mikachu | not even with tagcache? |
| 17:31:44 | * | linuxstb_ shrugs |
| 17:31:58 | tokyotourist | there's a cut menu but i dont see a paste menu, does it exist ? ( i have checked the manual) |
| 17:32:04 | pondlife | I don't thnk tagcache should be involved with MOB, maybe later as an optimisation? |
| 17:32:29 | Mikachu | if you have tagcache, why reread the metadata at all? |
| 17:32:31 | low_light | what does audio_read_next_metadata do then? |
| 17:33:14 | tokyotourist | yes there is a paste menu :-) |
| 17:34:07 | lostlogic | pondlife: that turning up after 2 months is my behavior :) |
| 17:34:20 | pondlife | Maybe we should synchronise watches? |
| 17:34:21 | lostlogic | and no, the current code displays next track before it begins buffering that track |
| 17:34:35 | lostlogic | it has a separate read next metadata code path that opens that file just for metadata read at the end of a buffer run |
| 17:35:01 | pondlife | That's to ensure that next track info is always available? |
| 17:35:13 | lostlogic | pondlife: at least at the end of a buffer run it is available, yes |
| 17:35:26 | pondlife | OK, so we need to keep copies of current and next track metadata seperately as well as on buffer? |
| 17:35:38 | lostlogic | as for serializing the data to be placed on the buffer, that doesn't bother me. |
| 17:35:39 | pondlife | Mobcache |
| 17:36:27 | tokyotourist | thanks |
| 17:36:27 | lostlogic | I'm not sure how I feel about the next track, tbh |
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| 17:36:41 | lostlogic | but at least the current |
| 17:36:46 | pondlife | Do we agree on a basic structure of 2 threads (or similar) - buffering and playback? |
| 17:36:55 | pondlife | i.e. They should be independent |
| 17:37:07 | lostlogic | let's not change too much at once is my thought on that question |
| 17:37:50 | pondlife | Fair enough. But there is a bug in the current code where buffering stops happening. |
| 17:38:12 | pondlife | I was hoping to simplify that stuff sooner rather than later. |
| 17:38:58 | pondlife | Might be metadata related - I think it only happens when you have the full 32 tracks on the go. |
| 17:39:43 | lostlogic | and I do think that there need to be two separate threads, but I also do think (see the ML) that we need to pay attention to how often we're context switching, because 5-7% of processor time is being spent in switch_thread according to whatzizname's profiling results |
| 17:39:58 | low_light | since the playback experts are here...why the complicated track skipping routines (wind_forward, wind_backwards)? why when skipping to a track can't you just do buf_ridx = tracks[new_track].buf_idx. |
| 17:40:02 | lostlogic | pondlife: that would make sense, the track structure isn't heavily tested at that edge case |
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| 17:40:20 | lostlogic | low_light: because buf_idx didn't used to exist |
| 17:40:40 | pondlife | Indeed. It might not be seperate threads needed, but the processes should be running independently (only need to share the free buffer pointer etc.) |
| 17:40:55 | pondlife | I mean processes in a design sense here. |
| 17:41:25 | lostlogic | Yes, I suppose we could call quick_buffer() instead of yield() from codecs if we were so in our minds |
| 17:41:35 | lostlogic | but then we'd still need to yield at some point for gui threads |
| 17:41:38 | lostlogic | so overall, I vote two threads |
| 17:42:16 | lostlogic | low_light: I think we can probably do away with that code although the double checking it provides is kinda nice IMO |
| 17:45:15 | pondlife | lostlogic: Would you object if "your" wiki page (SoftwareCodecPlayback) got a big revamp - removal of the bug reports to Flyspray for instance? |
| 17:45:56 | pondlife | It would be nice if the design stuff could be put on the wiki, even if it's vague. Need to start with the goals. |
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| 17:46:37 | pondlife | Keeping It Simpler Still being #1 IMHO |
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| 17:47:07 | lostlogic | pondlife: please change the wiki page. |
| 17:47:22 | lostlogic | pondlife: and yes KISS is definitely something that we can still strive for a lot more of in the playback code |
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| 17:53:48 | lostlogic | hmm... I still haven't learned how to commit to SVN... |
| 17:53:56 | Mikachu | 'svn commit' |
| 17:54:15 | lostlogic | I assume there's some configuration other than the anonymous pull I already did involved in that. |
| 17:54:33 | Mikachu | i think you want to talk to Bagder |
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| 18:00:36 | bluebrother | just do a commit from any anomymously checked out tree, svn will ask you about username / password |
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| 18:03:45 | lostlogic | bluebrother: cool |
| 18:04:25 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 18:07:16 | bluebrother | btw, svn will try your local username first |
| 18:07:29 | lostlogic | more cool |
| 18:07:37 | bluebrother | so if that's different just press enter and it will ask for a different one |
| 18:08:09 | bluebrother | I was really sceptical about svn, but I like it much better than cvs now ;-) |
| 18:08:37 | bluebrother | hmm ... its simply "svn diff" now, no more -u |
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| 18:08:42 | lostlogic | my only complaint is that I now use 4 different versioning systems most days: svn, git, cvs and accurev |
| 18:08:55 | bluebrother | hehe. |
| 18:09:00 | bluebrother | never heard of accurev |
| 18:09:08 | Simpson | Is there any way to take a screenshot of a Rockbox screen? |
| 18:09:12 | lostlogic | if you ever do, RUN AND HIDE |
| 18:09:34 | bluebrother | is that also known as scm? |
| 18:09:47 | bluebrother | written in Java, slow as hell? |
| 18:10:05 | Mikachu | scm means source code management usually |
| 18:10:09 | lostlogic | hehe, no, but we have a whole SCM team here dedicated to dealing with it... hmm... it is written in java and slower than molasis at the north pole |
| 18:10:21 | Mikachu | source control management even |
| 18:10:39 | Mikachu | Simpson: i think so |
| 18:10:40 | bluebrother | some guy who was studying with me (but managed to finish earlier) told me about some version control system |
| 18:11:00 | bluebrother | called scm, written in java, and ... |
| 18:11:19 | bluebrother | so bad I can't even think of an english word for it ;) |
| 18:11:30 | bluebrother | some over-complicated thing |
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| 18:12:07 | bluebrother | and, of course, pretty much expensive. |
| 18:12:49 | lostlogic | sounds a lot like accurev −− we have this concept called streams, and don't worry, streams will save the day and make all of your VCS related problems go away, that's what they tell us. |
| 18:13:51 | tanq | ~ok so i've noticed that rockbox usually pukes on my 4g ipod.. I just need to see if it is the database update that is causing it to do this |
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| 18:14:16 | tanq | usually after n minutes.. not really sure what n is yet.. |
| 18:14:29 | bluebrother | I think I'll need to ask him. He was reeeally thrilled about that thing (because he knows better tools :) |
| 18:14:31 | tanq | or if it is even a fixed time.. heh |
| 18:15:02 | lostlogic | bluebrother: I've seem hammers that were better version control systems for a large enterprise than accurev. |
| 18:15:27 | tanq | i've seen some horrific CM type systems |
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| 18:16:19 | bluebrother | let's hope I'll never be required to use that then |
| 18:16:24 | lostlogic | I don't understand why proprietary VCSs exist... there are such _GOOD_ open source ones out there. |
| 18:17:06 | Simpson | Mikachu: found it, thanks. |
| 18:17:11 | bluebrother | because some sales guy will buy them and they want ... support ... and, worst of all: if it doesn't cost huuuge amounts it's definitely crap |
| 18:17:30 | bluebrother | *sic* |
| 18:17:34 | tanq | not to start a language flame war, but just because something is written and a particular language, and is slow, doesn't mean its the language. Sometimes it is just poor architecture and bad code. |
| 18:17:34 | lostlogic | :) |
| 18:17:42 | tanq | s/and a/in a/ |
| 18:17:51 | lostlogic | tanq: 'course, I have nothing against java for the most part |
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| 18:18:06 | lostlogic | however writing a VCS with a CLI in Java is poor planning, because every CLI command tehn needs to fire up the 30m JVM |
| 18:18:06 | goffa | on the version control: http://www.bigfix.com/softwaretruth/ |
| 18:18:10 | goffa | that's what it boils down to |
| 18:18:11 | goffa | :) |
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| 18:18:21 | Mikachu | another good reason to use proprietary scms is if the company goes away you just lost all your code |
| 18:19:50 | lostlogic | Mikachu: well only if you were storing it on their servers like bitkeeper... |
| 18:19:59 | tanq | goffa: that is too funny |
| 18:20:01 | lostlogic | we still own our servers with accurev at least |
| 18:20:16 | Mikachu | in either case you have to spend some time moving code |
| 18:20:21 | bluebrother | but if you can't access your data history anymore it isn't good as well |
| 18:20:40 | bluebrother | the best way is always doing it right the first time |
| 18:21:00 | lostlogic | :) |
| 18:21:13 | tanq | hah |
| 18:21:16 | * | bluebrother is working on broken code atm −− looks like they had no idea on how to do it right in the first place |
| 18:22:03 | tanq | what was the quote i read "code as if the person that will maintain it is a psycopath that knows where you live" or something along those lines |
| 18:22:35 | pondlife | lostlogic: I've started to update the wiki, but got to go now :( |
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| 18:22:55 | lostlogic | I go with the code as if the person who will hafta maintain it lives in india and will never know your name philosophy at work... because oh yeah, they do... |
| 18:23:19 | tanq | heh |
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| 18:45:48 | datachild | i get this weird error when trying to shut my iPod G5 off (using rockbox) "Data abort at 00053270" |
| 18:46:24 | datachild | anyone know what to do? |
| 18:46:29 | datachild | since i cant power it off |
| 18:48:10 | datachild | anyone got a clue? |
| 18:49:21 | Arathis | a question about SVN checkout: do I need just "rockbox" trunk or is there still a "rockbox-devel" one too? |
| 18:50:05 | lostlogic | is our coding standard still 80 character lines? |
| 18:52:08 | linuxstb_ | Arathis: Yes, no. |
| 18:52:15 | linuxstb_ | lostlogic: Yes. |
| 18:52:15 | Arathis | k |
| 18:52:36 | datachild | anyone got any ideas of what migth be wrong for me? |
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| 18:52:56 | linuxstb_ | datachild: When did this start? |
| 18:53:02 | datachild | right now |
| 18:53:05 | datachild | just installed |
| 18:53:18 | datachild | everything works perfect otherwise |
| 18:53:29 | linuxstb_ | Is this the first Rockbox version you've installed? |
| 18:53:36 | datachild | no |
| 18:54:11 | datachild | brb |
| 18:54:25 | lostlogic | linuxstb_: good, then I get to reformat playback.c and whine about it. |
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| 19:35:04 | buzzfarve | hi, are there any unofficial builds of rockbox that have the ipod nano rockboy patch in it? i cannott install patched myself and i would like to use rockboy on my ipod nano |
| 19:36:41 | buzzfarve | ok well i gues no one here can help me... |
| 19:36:45 | buzzfarve | bye |
| 19:36:51 | lostlogic | USE PATIENCE |
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| 19:37:06 | lostlogic | he waited a minute. |
| 19:37:31 | Mikachu | i've seen shorter |
| 19:37:34 | lostlogic | :) |
| 19:38:04 | lostlogic | I committed no functional changes for my first commit in months :-D |
| 19:42:54 | Sujdik | hey everyone.... I was trying to patch my ipod video firmware... but it bugs. It should increase the speed of the scroll (well, it REALLY does, but much more than I expected). Can anyone help me? |
| 19:43:15 | lostlogic | Sujdik: what'd you change? |
| 19:43:26 | lostlogic | post a link to a diff. |
| 19:43:42 | Sujdik | scrolling speed |
| 19:43:46 | Sujdik | wait |
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| 19:45:43 | Sujdik | this one: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=12981 |
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| 19:47:09 | lostlogic | ok, so what's the problem? it looks like a reasonable approach to adding acceleration... |
| 19:47:53 | Mikachu | the scroll wheel accel patch i tried (which was a while back) was very fast |
| 19:48:12 | lostlogic | this one is configurable... fast faster and fastest... |
| 19:49:26 | lostlogic | Sujdik: you can either 1) modify the patch to accelerate less or 2) ask the creator of the patch to do so by posting on flyspray. |
| 19:49:27 | Sujdik | ... a single step rolls down 1 page and a half |
| 19:49:34 | Sujdik | hm |
| 19:51:35 | lostlogic | Sujdik: I'm guessing here, but it's probably not too hard of a modification to make it behave as you'd expect, some change of multiplier or something. |
| 19:51:58 | Sujdik | maybe... I'll try that |
| 19:52:15 | Sujdik | I haven't read the .diff actually |
| 19:52:24 | Sujdik | I don't know =P |
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| 19:55:41 | Arathis | Is it normal that rockboy sound is lame and noisy? Or could it be because of the H10 CPU isn't fully used yet? |
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| 20:04:04 | Sujdik | another question... is there any program to remotely control Rockbox configurations (I mean a front-end for the config.cfg) |
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| 20:07:18 | Arathis | @rockboy (non h10) users: is audio slow and somewhat cracky on your players? |
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| 20:10:12 | linuxstb_ | Sujdik: You can use any text editor to edit .cfg files. |
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| 20:11:45 | Llorean | Arathis: Cracky, but it plays at the right pace. Rockboy really still needs a LOT of work. |
| 20:12:24 | Sujdik | i know that... but not only for the config file... any program that does things like initialize and update database |
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| 20:13:37 | linuxstb_ | Sujdik: No. |
| 20:14:08 | Arathis | Llorean: Than it might be H10 related. Thanks for reply. But I'm glad it works on H10 now in any way. |
| 20:14:27 | Llorean | Arathis: If the gameplay slows down at all, so will the music. |
| 20:14:53 | Llorean | linuxstb_: Isn't there a script for updating the database? Though that's unrelated to the .cfg |
| 20:17:34 | linuxstb_ | I didn't think a partly-working perl script was what Sujdik was looking for. |
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| 20:19:00 | Sujdik | that would help to develop my own =) |
| 20:20:51 | linuxstb_ | There are two things in the tools/ directory in the rockbox source - database.c which is the start of a standalone C program to generate the database files using the same code Rockbox itself uses, and songdb.pl which does it in Perl, but only for MP3 and Ogg Vorbis. |
| 20:21:38 | linuxstb_ | Hopefully in time, the database.c code will be integrated in rbutil - the in-progress Rockbox GUI installer. |
| 20:22:33 | Sujdik | hmm |
| 20:23:33 | amiconn | lostlogic: I don't know which scroll acceleration patch you were talking about, but when I tested Slasheri's version, it felt worse than what is in svn |
| 20:23:40 | Llorean | That'd be nice. A checkbox for "Initialize database while installing" and you're done. |
| 20:23:51 | amiconn | The svn version might be a little slow, but its behaviour is consistent |
| 20:24:15 | amiconn | Slasheri's version was faster but really jumpy |
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| 20:28:38 | amiconn | Nico_P: Imho album art should be added to all targets except monochrome, but it has 2 prerequisites: (1) metadata on buffer, (2) viewports |
| 20:29:21 | amiconn | With dithering it shouldn't look too bad on 2 bit |
| 20:29:51 | Nico_P | amiconn: i'm not sure they're real prerequisites... it can be done without these... not as nicely but still. |
| 20:30:02 | amiconn | Imho they are prerequisites |
| 20:30:16 | amiconn | Otherwise it's just another big hack. |
| 20:30:53 | Nico_P | and i'd like to be able to work on other things without having to keep thoses patches in sync while i wait for these things that never seem to come |
| 20:30:57 | * | Llorean relearns never to admit in the forums he knows how to patch. |
| 20:31:35 | Nico_P | i am willing to make the changes needed to adapt my code to new features though |
| 20:32:04 | Llorean | amiconn: Why is viewports a prereq? I understand MoB, but since it's treated as images currently are anyway, viewports is only nice for the text constraints. |
| 20:32:32 | Nico_P | Llorean: thanks, that was going to be my next point :) |
| 20:33:11 | amiconn | Llorean: Without viewports aa is either an ugly hack, or almost useless |
| 20:33:24 | Nico_P | amiconn: i agree it's a bit of a hack without MoB but why keep it out of SVN when it can be disabled so easily ? |
| 20:33:31 | lostlogic | amiconn: yeah, I don't know who's patch I was linked to either :-P |
| 20:33:33 | amiconn | How would you place (scrolling) text besides the aa image? |
| 20:33:34 | Llorean | How is it a hack without viewports? |
| 20:33:56 | Llorean | On the Gigabeat and Sansa at least, you've got enough vertical screen space to not have to ask that question. |
| 20:34:02 | amiconn | YOu need to constrain the text line somehow |
| 20:34:13 | amiconn | Llorean: Rockbox is multiplatform... |
| 20:34:16 | Nico_P | amiconn: there is a patch to do that |
| 20:34:21 | Llorean | On the other targets you can simply put non-scrolling text such as battery level, volume, playlist position, etc next to it. |
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| 20:34:29 | * | amiconn thinks there's too much focus on features vs. stability :/ |
| 20:34:31 | w1ll14m | hi all |
| 20:34:47 | Arathis | where are the rockboy button settings saved? I messed them up :/ |
| 20:34:50 | amiconn | You can't build a solid house on shaky foundations |
| 20:34:50 | Nico_P | amiconn: "scrolling margins"... it never got into CVS/SVN because of viewports |
| 20:35:09 | Llorean | While there are some limitations regarding its usability before Viewports (I don't disagree that viewports make it a lot more functional) I think that they shouldn't be holding it out. |
| 20:35:22 | Nico_P | amiconn: solid foundations are too long and too hard to build :) |
| 20:35:25 | Llorean | If it got in, it might increase the incentive for some other people to get viewports working. ;) |
| 20:35:37 | Llorean | "it" being AA |
| 20:35:50 | amiconn | E.g. the boost/unboost issues regarding voice... one reason for me to prefer my trusty hwcodec targets |
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| 20:38:18 | amiconn | Nico_P: Viewports *will* happen. The question is just when, but that (also) depends on what other nasty issues come up which need fixing |
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| 20:39:18 | Arathis | nobody knows where rockboy's button settings are saved? |
| 20:39:41 | Nico_P | amiconn: i don't doubt they will happen, and i'm eager to see them. but i feel we can commit AA without them. It'll make a lot of people happy and i'll adjust it to viewports when they arrive |
| 20:40:25 | Nico_P | it's just that i have AA ready now and it's a shame to hold it when it already works quite nicely |
| 20:41:06 | Nico_P | it'll also give me more time to work on more interesting things like the WPS tokenizer |
| 20:41:09 | Llorean | What about Metadata on Buffer? |
| 20:41:50 | Nico_P | Llorean: IMHO it's almost the same issue... You can replace viewports by MoB in what i just said :) |
| 20:42:29 | lowlight | Llorean: there was a was discussion about 3 hrs ago |
| 20:43:36 | lowlight | imho, these 2 things (aa and mob) need to be documented somewhere if the main devs don't have the time |
| 20:44:00 | lowlight | I meant viewports not aa |
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| 20:44:54 | lowlight | there are others willing to do the work |
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| 20:46:16 | Nico_P | lowlight: i agree. with docs guidelines it would be much easier for someone to step in... I tried and just got discouraged by playback.c |
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| 20:46:39 | Nico_P | even though i'm starting to have a basic understanding of it |
| 20:46:57 | Nico_P | maybe i could help if others gave me starting points |
| 20:47:11 | Nico_P | but just doing the whole thing alone is too much |
| 20:47:38 | amiconn | Hmm, one prerequisite that held me back from working on viewports is no longer missing :) |
| 20:47:55 | Nico_P | amiconn: what was it ? |
| 20:48:23 | amiconn | I need to shuffle around some lcd code, and I don't want to break history, so I was waiting for svn |
| 20:48:45 | Nico_P | :) |
| 20:50:53 | Nico_P | amiconn: what i'd like to know is wether you are firmly opposed to AA enough to veto its inclusion in SVN or if you're willing to let it get in |
| 20:51:04 | Nico_P | despite it's flaws |
| 20:51:05 | amiconn | Nico_P: Unfortunately I have to agree, playback.c is really discouraging :( |
| 20:51:06 | lostlogic | lowlight: so speaking of MoB and design discussion: I disagree with your approach and I disagree with pondlife's proposal. |
| 20:51:28 | lostlogic | Your approach doesn't make adding album art to the buffered data easy, it makes adding album art almost as hard as putting the tag info on. |
| 20:51:53 | lostlogic | Pondlife's serialization would overcomplicate the code and prevent direct memcpys between buffer and static buffer so I also don't like that. |
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| 20:51:58 | * | amiconn need to get some understanding of playback.c for another big project: pb engine unification, going together with core pcm playback on hwcodec |
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| 20:52:19 | lostlogic | amiconn: it's a lot more understandable than it was last year when you were saying that ;) |
| 20:52:31 | amiconn | hmm :/ |
| 20:52:38 | lowlight | in my MoB approach, get_metadata() should look for cover art and add it to the metadata buffer. why is that hard? |
| 20:53:13 | * | amiconn thinks he should concentrate on one big thing first: viewports |
| 20:53:26 | amiconn | Some small things can go in parallel |
| 20:53:28 | lowlight | in my MoB approach, get_metadata() should also look for cuesheets and add that to the metadata buffer. |
| 20:53:28 | lostlogic | lowlight: ah, I wasn't fully thinking in your thinking. yes, that works. |
| 20:53:55 | lostlogic | hmmmmmm |
| 20:53:57 | lowlight | they just need a pointer in the id3 struct...id3.album_art |
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| 20:54:36 | lostlogic | lowlight: I was considering cuesheets / album art not to be part of the id3 struct and to therefor need separate entries in the track struct, which is why I didn't see it the way you are. |
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| 20:55:04 | Nico_P | I think a pointer to these in the id3 struct is the way to go |
| 20:55:48 | Nico_P | it's what i've wanted from the start |
| 20:55:57 | lowlight | cuesheets are more like subtracks which would also extend to flacs with embedded cuesheets and multistream oggs |
| 20:56:06 | amiconn | hmmmmm |
| 20:56:14 | Nico_P | lowlight: and MP4 files with chapters |
| 20:56:20 | linuxstb_ | Let's not support chained oggs though... |
| 20:56:28 | lowlight | right |
| 20:56:49 | linuxstb_ | IIUC, they require you to scan the whole file to find the individual tracks - they are simply "cat *.ogg > chained.ogg". |
| 20:57:00 | Nico_P | all that waould need changes to support all these would be the parsing func |
| 20:57:03 | * | amiconn will probably implement another gfx feature along the way to viewports: transparent bitmaps (for all targets, not just 16 bit colour) |
| 20:57:14 | Mikachu | 8bit transparent? |
| 20:57:18 | amiconn | It's needed, and it should be quite simple |
| 20:57:25 | amiconn | Mikachu: Nah, 1 bit |
| 20:57:25 | Mikachu | err, i guess it might not be exactly 8 |
| 20:57:33 | Mikachu | ah |
| 20:57:39 | Nico_P | amiconn: what about 32 bit ? |
| 20:57:45 | Nico_P | would that be possible |
| 20:57:47 | Nico_P | ? |
| 20:57:48 | amiconn | ? |
| 20:57:56 | linuxstb_ | None of our targets have 32-bit LCDs... |
| 20:58:04 | Mikachu | or 24 |
| 20:58:16 | Nico_P | can't it be done by software ? |
| 20:58:27 | * | amiconn doesn't understand |
| 20:58:29 | lostlogic | hmmmmmmmm. lowlight my argument is weakened, but I still believe that the track structs should die so that we don't have the potential of 'running out' of tracks. |
| 20:58:34 | Mikachu | alpha transparency is much slower than 1bit transparency |
| 20:58:39 | amiconn | We have 1-bit, 2-bit and 16-bit targets |
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| 20:58:44 | Mikachu | you have to read the target memory first |
| 20:58:44 | Nico_P | amiconn: i'm speaking of an alpha channel |
| 20:58:49 | linuxstb_ | Nico_P: Bitmaps are always converted to native lcd format when they are loaded. |
| 20:58:55 | Nico_P | ah |
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| 20:59:18 | amiconn | Forget alpha. Text drawing is slow as it is on colour lcds. We don't want to make it crawl |
| 20:59:36 | Llorean | lostlogic: With formats like SID and NSF, it's really easy to have a whole bunch of tracks in one 32mb buffer anyway. |
| 20:59:44 | amiconn | Rockbox targets are embedded systems, not desktops in the GHz range |
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| 20:59:55 | Llorean | amiconn: And 18-bit, but we don't use it, right? |
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| 21:00:30 | lostlogic | Llorean: yes, that's my point. |
| 21:00:37 | amiconn | Llorean:Na, not really |
| 21:00:43 | lowlight | lostlogic: I agree...as i said i wasn't up to the task 'cause that seemed like a big change to playback...although if we are keeping a static current track struct it's not so big |
| 21:00:46 | Nico_P | lostlogic: is lowlight suggesting something different from "1 static id3 struct and the others in buffer" ? |
| 21:01:04 | lostlogic | Nico_P: difference between id3 struct and track struct |
| 21:01:16 | amiconn | It's rather weird: the H300 lcd controller is capable of true 18 bit, but is set to 16 bit (by some id pins, i.e. not changeable by software) |
| 21:01:24 | Nico_P | ah indeed, sorry |
| 21:01:36 | lostlogic | Nico_P: his implementation keeps the existing track structs (all 32 of them) other than the id3 info, I think we need to do away with them |
| 21:01:49 | lostlogic | and apparently we do agree about that, it's just a matter of me actually doing it. |
| 21:01:53 | lostlogic | 'just' |
| 21:02:07 | * | linuxstb_ packs his whip and heads to the airport |
| 21:02:10 | amiconn | And the X5 lcd controller is set to 18 bit, but it's actually only pseudo-18-bit. The internal framebuffer is 16 bit and the controller dithers on transfer |
| 21:02:11 | Nico_P | walk in the park :) |
| 21:02:17 | lostlogic | :) |
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| 21:02:48 | amiconn | We drive it in (true) 16 bit mode by a special trick. Video uses the "full" pseudo-18 bit mode |
| 21:03:02 | Llorean | Weird |
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| 21:04:57 | lowlight | Nico_P: my approach was to simply replace the fixed size id3.id3v2buf[]. That's the limiting factor when get_metadata() retrieves data. |
| 21:05:37 | lostlogic | and unlike when I tried it, his way works :-P |
| 21:05:53 | lowlight | I don't see why this approach can't still be used even if the track structs are on the buffer too |
| 21:06:51 | lostlogic | lowlight: it sould just be unnecessary to do yours if the track struct is going, would result in double work |
| 21:06:51 | linuxstb_ | But do we need two static buffers? One for the next track? |
| 21:07:11 | lostlogic | linuxstb_: it (mutter) seems so |
| 21:07:19 | amiconn | linuxstb: Only if we want to provide next track info at all times |
| 21:07:39 | amiconn | On swcodec we currently do so, on hwcodec we never did |
| 21:08:04 | linuxstb_ | Yes, I didn't realise until a couple of hours ago that swcodec makes a special effort to do that. |
| 21:08:16 | amiconn | On hwcodec, next track info is only available if the start of the next track is already buffered |
| 21:08:31 | lostlogic | I like it. |
| 21:09:01 | linuxstb_ | Yes, so do I. It feels like a bug (from a user's point of view) if the next-track info is only sometimes shown. |
| 21:09:29 | amiconn | Imho that's enough (especially since next-track-in-buffer is a lot more likely on swcodec due to the bigger ram), but then I usually don't use next track info in wps |
| 21:09:33 | lostlogic | haha, I was saying that I like the lazy way of not trying too hard :-D |
| 21:09:35 | lowlight | could also make a get_metadata(quick) which skips stuff like AA, etc. and can fit into a smaller static buffer |
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| 21:10:00 | lostlogic | lowlight: that's what I was thinking, maybe have a next track id3 tag info only area |
| 21:10:43 | linuxstb_ | Doesn't swcodec also only buffer a small amount first, then waits, then fills the buffer completely? |
| 21:11:00 | amiconn | Hmm, it seems that metadata on buffer and playback engine unification are somewhat related... |
| 21:11:06 | Mikachu | that sounds like something it might do after a skip |
| 21:11:28 | lostlogic | linuxstb_: I think that behavior was killed off at some point |
| 21:11:29 | lowlight | linuxstb_: lostlogic took that out |
| 21:11:37 | linuxstb_ | Hurray :) |
| 21:11:43 | lostlogic | :) |
| 21:11:45 | amiconn | Might be a good thing to tackle at devcon if that's not too far into the future... |
| 21:11:53 | lostlogic | yeah, let's have a devcon. |
| 21:12:03 | lostlogic | I'm bored and I have vacation days to kill. |
| 21:12:36 | amiconn | Iiuc, it would be helpful to have all metadata handling in one place, somewhere under apps/ |
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| 21:13:05 | amiconn | But that's not currently possible because of the hwcodec playback engine being firmware code, and needing id3 handling |
| 21:13:21 | lostlogic | I assume any separate files (aa, cuesheet) are specified in the 'normal' tag info? |
| 21:13:53 | Llorean | lostlogic: Right now I think they're just done by filename matching. |
| 21:14:17 | lostlogic | Llorean: mph |
| 21:14:20 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Do you think a worthwhile first step would be to separate the hwcodec playback code more cleanly into apps and firmware code? |
| 21:14:42 | amiconn | perhaps |
| 21:15:08 | * | amiconn hates it when there are 2 interesting things and he doesn't know which one to work on :// |
| 21:15:32 | linuxstb_ | I normally end up doing nothing when in that situation.... |
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| 21:15:43 | amiconn | Yeah, that's the problem |
| 21:15:47 | Mikachu | make a poll :) |
| 21:15:47 | The-Compiler | Hello |
| 21:16:13 | lowlight | lostlogic: I guess I don't see track-structs-on-the-buffer as intimately related to metadata-on-the-buffer... |
| 21:16:29 | lowlight | ...the track struct contains an id3 struct with either a fixed size buffer for metadata (currently id3v2buf[300]) or the ability to have arbitrary one (as in my patch) |
| 21:18:43 | relaxed | Running rockbox on my 5.5 Gen 30gb ipod and it's froze on the "Do not disconnect" screen. It's not flashing. Anyone know how I can restart it? Holding play or play + menu does nothing. |
| 21:18:46 | lostlogic | lowlight: if I were to do track structs on buffer after you do your patch, we end up having two sets of buffered metadata management code to handle pulling the current track metadata off of the buffer and adjusting pointers |
| 21:18:57 | linuxstb_ | relaxed: Hold MENU+SELECT |
| 21:19:12 | The-Compiler | relaxed: Try to hold select and menu |
| 21:19:20 | relaxed | thanks so much :) |
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| 21:21:27 | lostlogic | lowlight: I have no problem with you going ahead and finishing up and applying your patch, but if / when TSoB is done it will obsolete much of it, I feel. |
| 21:21:30 | lowlight | lostlogic: Unless you are changin the track struct, the only pointer is to the codecbuf, all the pointers are in the id3 struct. |
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| 21:21:41 | dionoea | amiconn: the issue with rockpaint on non color targets is that the picture buffer is easy to handle/draw to on color targets (each short in the array is a pixel) while it isn't on grey scale targets. (the other issue is that the code is a real mess ... kind of my fault i guess :D) |
| 21:21:47 | The-Compiler | Anyone here who speaks German? |
| 21:21:50 | lostlogic | lowlight: trunuf |
| 21:21:53 | dionoea | (this is in reply to something 20 hours ago) |
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| 21:22:50 | lostlogic | lowlight: yes, there will be plenty of reuse, you're right. |
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| 21:23:53 | linuxstb_ | dionoea: Rockbox contains lots of drawing functions - in the core or the xlcd lib. |
| 21:24:06 | dionoea | linuxstb_: but those don't draw in a buffer |
| 21:24:11 | dionoea | they only draw to the screen |
| 21:24:17 | linuxstb_ | Then change them... |
| 21:25:16 | dionoea | anyways, that was just a reply to amiconn's comment :) i don't need rockpaint on a greyscale target :) (and i don't need it on a color target either ... makes me wonder why i ever wrote that (well parts of it)) |
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| 21:25:57 | lowlight | lostlogic: I guess I don't see where your approach handles metadata besides just changing the size of the id3.id3v2buf to make it big enough for AA, cuesheets, lyrics, user tags, etc |
| 21:26:21 | lowlight | if it's a fixed size it's wasteful to those who don't use those features |
| 21:26:59 | The-Compiler | I have a question: Sometimes i press play too long on my iPod in Rockpaint (to move the pen down), then Rockbox shutdowns. Is there a patch, to say Rockbox "don't shutdown if Rockpaint running"? (Sorry for my bad english) |
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| 21:27:28 | Mikachu | The-Compiler: if you can compile, it's simple enough to change it to select+play |
| 21:27:40 | Mikachu | that's what i did after viewing three jpgs |
| 21:27:44 | * | lowlight heads to a meeting |
| 21:28:05 | The-Compiler | I can compile but i can't programm(ing?) c |
| 21:28:08 | lostlogic | lowlight: simply that I'd be moving that waste onto the large audio buffer by moving the whole statically sized block of junk there. |
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| 21:28:16 | lostlogic | lowlight: you win, let's do both, separately ;) |
| 21:28:37 | Mikachu | The-Compiler: you only have to change BUTTON_PLAY to (BUTTON_PLAY|BUTTON_SELECT) in a place, tell me when you have compiled rockbox and i'll tell you where to change it |
| 21:29:00 | lostlogic | I can get to stockholm for the 3rd weekend in March for <$500. Is it devcon time yet? :-D |
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| 21:29:13 | The-Compiler | Mikachu: Ok, thanks |
| 21:30:01 | dionoea | The-Compiler: i never found out how to do that (other than changing the core button driver) |
| 21:30:21 | amiconn | lostlogic, lowlight: Imho metadata on buffer while keeping the track struct array doesn't make much sense |
| 21:30:46 | Mikachu | The-Compiler: firmware/target/arm/ipod/button-target.h change POWEROFF_BUTTON |
| 21:31:00 | The-Compiler | Mikachu: Ok |
| 21:31:08 | The-Compiler | Let's do this |
| 21:31:12 | lostlogic | amiconn: OTOH, lowlight's dynamically sized metadata is a nice touch and if I later combine that with tracks-on-buffer it'd be hawt |
| 21:31:17 | amiconn | If the track structs are on buffer as well, it will solve a nasty issue which we currently need to code around, _and_ it will drecrease ram usage for the standard cases |
| 21:32:03 | amiconn | That's one reason (without aa, it'd be the main reason) why I want metadata on buffer |
| 21:32:22 | * | linuxstb_ agrees with amiconn |
| 21:33:01 | amiconn | It's the so-called "norwegian language course problem" (insert your favourity foreign language if you want) |
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| 21:33:27 | amiconn | Lots of small tracks will currently use up all metadata slots before the buffer is full |
| 21:33:57 | lostlogic | amiconn: yes. we definitely need both, the question of the moment is: is it worth it for lowlist to do MoB before TSoB |
| 21:34:03 | amiconn | We had reports of this happening on archos with 2MB ram - and the limit on archos is 16 tracks (!) |
| 21:34:10 | lostlogic | amiconn: holy crap |
| 21:34:59 | amiconn | Now imagine what happens if the metadata slots are exhausted before the buffer is even above the low watermark... |
| 21:35:21 | lostlogic | my head hurts. |
| 21:35:36 | The-Compiler | Mikachu: Now the new line is "#define POWEROFF_BUTTON BUTTON_PLAY|BUTTON_SELECT", right? |
| 21:35:44 | amiconn | Not that this is a likely case, but you never know what kind of ideas users come up with |
| 21:36:12 | lostlogic | hahaha |
| 21:36:44 | amiconn | lostlogic: Btw, the effect of the "norwegian language course problem" on archos is rather harmless |
| 21:37:01 | amiconn | It doesn't crash, it just repeats the 16th track over and over |
| 21:37:18 | amiconn | A single manual forward skip resolves it |
| 21:37:56 | lostlogic | amiconn: I believe that on swcodec it's supposed to just buffer a new track as soon as one plays, but in actuality there is some bug around the wrap detection currently |
| 21:37:56 | amiconn | (of course the next 16 tracks might trigger the effect again) |
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| 21:43:21 | The-Compiler | Where can i get "sh-elf-gcc" (for compiling Rockbox)? |
| 21:45:34 | linuxstb_ | Run the tools/rockboxdev.sh script - but you want arm-elf-gcc for ipods. |
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| 21:47:42 | The-Compiler | linuxstb_: Thx |
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| 22:00:09 | The-Compiler | Are the times of the IRC-statistics (http://rasher.dk/rockbox/ircstats/all.php) GMT? |
| 22:00:51 | linuxstb_ | CET - GMT+1 |
| 22:02:22 | linuxstb_ | Sorry, I thought you meant the IRC logs on www.rockbox.org - I don't know about that page. |
| 22:03:06 | Bagder | prolly CET or GMT |
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| 22:06:52 | The-Compiler | Now the tools/rockboxdev.sh script is done, but arm-elf-gcc isn't in my PATH$ |
| 22:07:27 | bluebrother | export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/arm-elf-installation/bin |
| 22:08:10 | The-Compiler | bluebrother: The same error |
| 22:08:41 | bluebrother | echo $PATH has the added path in it? |
| 22:09:13 | The-Compiler | Oh sorry I don't replace /path/to/arm-elf-installation/bin with the Path :-| |
| 22:10:21 | The-Compiler | bluebrother: And where is this bin? |
| 22:10:33 | bluebrother | where did you install the compiler to? |
| 22:11:23 | The-Compiler | bluebrother: I did install it with the tools/rockboxdev.sh Script |
| 22:12:15 | linuxstb_ | Then it's /usr/local/arm-elf/bin |
| 22:12:26 | linuxstb_ | (assuming you didn't edit the script) |
| 22:12:40 | * | bluebrother was too slow looking at the script |
| 22:12:54 | bluebrother | it doesn't use /usr/local/bin? |
| 22:13:26 | bluebrother | ah, just found the appropriate line. |
| 22:13:37 | bluebrother | hmm, the script should have told you where it's installing to. |
| 22:14:15 | The-Compiler | Now it works, thx |
| 22:14:41 | Bagder | the script tells what path to add to PATH |
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| 22:15:06 | Bagder | but then it is perhaps a bit too easily missed |
| 22:18:04 | The-Compiler | Now I have a problem when I run make: http://pastebin.ca/329573 |
| 22:18:36 | Bagder | what code are you using? patches applied? |
| 22:19:30 | The-Compiler | Badger: The Daily Build, without pathces |
| 22:19:34 | The-Compiler | patches |
| 22:20:02 | Bagder | yeah, the daily had that error |
| 22:20:14 | Bagder | get a newer (or older) source pack |
| 22:21:16 | The-Compiler | Now I download the SVN-Soruce |
| 22:21:21 | The-Compiler | Source aaah! |
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| 22:21:50 | linuxstb_ | The-Compiler: It's easier to get the source with the svn command - you can then update it without having to download a complete new copy. |
| 22:22:25 | linuxstb_ | svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox |
| 22:23:16 | The-Compiler | linuxstb_: Ok |
| 22:24:38 | combrains | hey all |
| 22:25:31 | The-Compiler | linuxstb_: Is this normal, that the svn-command also download the fonts? |
| 22:25:51 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:25:51 | combrains | im considering re-encoding all of my CD's to flac instead of MP3. Is it worth the effort? |
| 22:26:05 | * | ender` suggests wavpack |
| 22:26:13 | linuxstb_ | Re-encode one and test... |
| 22:26:35 | Bagder | "worth the effort" is 100% subjective |
| 22:26:35 | ender` | and to decide if it's worth: encode one CD to both flac/wv and mp3 and listen to both encodes |
| 22:26:58 | ender` | if you can hear the difference, it's probably worth the effort. |
| 22:27:16 | combrains | im goinjg to test one anyway but I just thought I would see what other people have to say about flac |
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| 22:27:40 | massiveH | it's better than MP3 if it's worth anything |
| 22:27:43 | Bagder | since flac is lossless, it will sound better than any bitrate mp3 |
| 22:27:53 | massiveH | well, any lossless is for that matter... |
| 22:28:06 | linuxstb_ | I use FLAC for all my CDs, but mainly because I've never got around to evaluating lossy codecs. With FLAC I know for sure I'm not losing any quality. |
| 22:28:10 | Bagder | the question is just if you can hear the diff and if you want the bigger sizes |
| 22:28:35 | Bagder | and feel like re-encoding all your CDs due to that diff |
| 22:28:40 | combrains | I'm not fussed about big filesizes although, how big are we talking? |
| 22:28:54 | linuxstb_ | FLACs are typically 700-800kbps. |
| 22:29:00 | Bagder | you'll see when you test-encode ;-) |
| 22:29:04 | ender` | i keep wavpacks on my disk, but put oggs to the iriver |
| 22:29:04 | massiveH | whole cd ~300-400 megs I think |
| 22:29:26 | combrains | wow |
| 22:29:56 | ender` | and how much lossless can compress depends a lot on music - i often get bitrates above 1Mbps with maximum compression |
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| 22:30:53 | ender` | on average i'd say between 800 and 950kbps for me |
| 22:31:24 | The-Compiler | How I can update the sources with svn? |
| 22:31:37 | Bagder | The-Compiler: "cd sourcedir; svn up" |
| 22:31:45 | The-Compiler | thx |
| 22:32:27 | The-Compiler | How long takes to compile rockbox ~ ? |
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| 22:32:36 | Bagder | The-Compiler: you'll soon find out |
| 22:32:43 | The-Compiler | |-) |
| 22:32:53 | Bagder | it takes this much time: −−-> <−−−−- |
| 22:32:53 | zefie | lol |
| 22:33:00 | ender` | it's pretty fast as long as you don't do it on windows |
| 22:33:15 | zefie | wasnt too bad for me on cygwin |
| 22:33:20 | ender` | (then again, nothing compiles fast on windows) |
| 22:33:30 | zefie | nothing does ANYTHING fast on windows |
| 22:33:37 | zefie | cept crash |
| 22:33:40 | Bagder | zefie: you only built the bootloader, right? |
| 22:33:55 | zefie | no i built the entire e200 port when playing around |
| 22:33:59 | Bagder | ok |
| 22:34:11 | ender` | windows 2000/xp/2003 is actually very stable - i don't remember the last bsod i've had |
| 22:34:12 | Bagder | cygwin is typically around 3 times slower than native Linux |
| 22:34:29 | ender` | from my tests it's even slower |
| 22:34:29 | zefie | unrelated to anything my microSD card finally came lol |
| 22:34:44 | ender` | i'd say interix is about 3 times slower than colinux, and cygwin is slower than interix |
| 22:34:57 | zefie | i dont trust cygwin |
| 22:35:13 | zefie | vmware + debian :) |
| 22:35:23 | ender` | (and i was using make -j3 on cygwin & interix, and only make -j2 in colinux, since colinux doesn't support dual-core) |
| 22:36:08 | zefie | Bagder did you see my edits? |
| 22:36:32 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:36:36 | zefie | ok |
| 22:36:37 | The-Compiler | Linux is the future! |
| 22:36:40 | The-Compiler | :D |
| 22:36:51 | Bagder | zefie: interesting stuff |
| 22:36:57 | The-Compiler | It's done! |
| 22:37:11 | Bagder | zefie: I would guess the "7000" thing is just a flavour of the PP5022 |
| 22:37:30 | Bagder | and the e200/c200 in the path is probably because they share code |
| 22:38:53 | zefie | yeah |
| 22:38:54 | zefie | brb |
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| 22:42:13 | amiconn | ender`: I'd say that windows is really stable unless there is a buggy driver |
| 22:42:34 | amiconn | (or buggy hardware of course) |
| 22:42:38 | The-Compiler | the change doesn't work. Rockbox shuts nevertheless down, when I press play... |
| 22:42:41 | ender` | i agree |
| 22:42:46 | The-Compiler | :( |
| 22:42:53 | amiconn | The only bsods I encountered on my laptop were due to a buggy driver for an usb-serial adapter |
| 22:44:24 | ender` | we'll see how vista works out though - those tilt bits don't sound too promising |
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| 22:47:25 | combrains | well, can't really tell the difference between a flac file at max compression and a 192kbit MP3 |
| 22:48:34 | bluebrother | well, technically speaking the so-called "windows" isn't windows anymore but NT instead ;-) |
| 22:48:44 | ender` | heh |
| 22:49:12 | bluebrother | but, compared to the originally windows versions (like w98) it's pretty stable |
| 22:49:45 | bluebrother | still, the UI has a lot of flaws. Like the lack of a useable shell |
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| 22:53:27 | tchan | windows xp interface still has memory leaks. Try letting your XP box run for days at a time. They usually slow to a crawl. Reboot is the only solution and the box is speedy again. |
| 22:54:11 | ender` | tchan: let me check the uptime of my box at work |
| 22:54:13 | Soap | ? Offtopic, but I only reboot on patch tuesdays, with no slowdown inbetween. |
| 22:54:33 | thegeek_ | tchan: not in my experience |
| 22:54:41 | thegeek_ | I've had uptime of 50 days with no problem |
| 22:54:52 | thegeek_ | on my primary desktop that I use every day |
| 22:55:27 | thegeek_ | I do use a lot of third party software ( replacement for explorer shell +++ ) |
| 22:56:42 | ender` | i know i've had uptime in excess of 50 days on my work box (where i run about 20 instances of GUI programs all the time), but i'm checking if i'm any further than that already |
| 22:56:48 | tchan | okay, I'll stop with the off-topic statements about windows. |
| 22:57:00 | ender` | hm, no, only 31 days this time |
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| 22:59:06 | ender` | (after 50 days uptime, i had to see what happens if you try to close HKLM handle in Process Explorer) |
| 22:59:18 | tchan | my back to rockbox related question is: if this ipod 4G grayscale is stuttering from not enough computing power to decode ogg-vorbis files (-q6 or higher) should I try some other format ? |
| 22:59:46 | linuxstb_ | tchan: Do you have a WPS with peakmeters? |
| 22:59:48 | tchan | other than switching to a gigabeat F40 :) |
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| 23:00:19 | linuxstb_ | Or have any CPU-using options like software EQ enabled? |
| 23:00:25 | desowin | tchan: it happens on my mini, but with over -q8, also depends on songs |
| 23:00:48 | tchan | yes, I'm using WPS called "TheMessage" |
| 23:01:03 | tchan | its the only one I found that displays all the tag info I wanted to see. |
| 23:01:18 | tchan | I really didn't need the peak meters |
| 23:01:27 | tchan | and no software EQ is enabled |
| 23:02:54 | Soap | peakmeters alone can cause those problems. |
| 23:04:19 | tchan | actually I think "TheMessage" doesn't have peak meters. It does have a scrolling indicator representing how far along the song is being played |
| 23:04:59 | linuxstb_ | That's just the progress bar. |
| 23:06:26 | tchan | yup |
| 23:07:26 | tchan | would mpc require less cpu usage than ogg ? Or is it strictly a function of the bit-rates being used ? |
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| 23:07:48 | Soap | musepack is quite efficient to decode, more than ogg. |
| 23:07:57 | Bagder | but spins up the disk more often... |
| 23:08:55 | Soap | Bagder? musepack, not flac. |
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| 23:09:02 | Bagder | ah |
| 23:09:05 | * | Bagder shuts up |
| 23:09:16 | desowin | tchan: only high quality ogg shutters here |
| 23:11:48 | tchan | are there any reports of stuttering problems on the gigabeats ? |
| 23:12:23 | * | amiconn would be very surprised if audio stutters on the gigabeat |
| 23:13:10 | amiconn | The gigabeat is rather overpowered for just playing audio |
| 23:13:13 | Bagder | possibly if you play high quality oggs during doom ;-) |
| 23:13:26 | combrains | im testin some flac stuff atm and there is no stuutering with normal operation |
| 23:13:52 | amiconn | flac is a very efficient codec cpu wise |
| 23:13:58 | tchan | combrains: that would be testing flac on a gigabeat ? or ipod ? |
| 23:14:03 | combrains | gb |
| 23:14:16 | linuxstb_ | It seems an insult to make the gb decode FLACs... |
| 23:14:30 | combrains | why? |
| 23:14:41 | linuxstb_ | "A brain the size of a planet, and I'm here decoding FLACs..." |
| 23:14:48 | combrains | hehe |
| 23:14:50 | Soap | exactly the quote^^ |
| 23:15:04 | Bagder | what's fascinating is that rockbox on gigabeat has vastly better runtimes than we have on ipods, in spite of their monster cpu |
| 23:15:22 | tchan | I saw those times, and I'm sooooo jealous |
| 23:15:38 | linuxstb_ | And monster colour LCD... |
| 23:15:48 | tchan | rub it in... |
| 23:15:58 | amiconn | I think it's because this cpu has better performance to power consumption ratio because it's more modern |
| 23:16:02 | combrains | Bagder, talk to debaunched_sloth if you want to know more about the runtimes - I believe he is the one doing all the optimaisations |
| 23:16:41 | Bagder | no need for that |
| 23:17:15 | amiconn | Hmm, and then it's still very possible that we're doing something wrong wrt hardware control on ipods |
| 23:17:25 | combrains | I just figured you might like to know the secret to our good runtimes ;) |
| 23:17:30 | Bagder | amiconn: I'd say it is likely |
| 23:17:50 | Nico_P | and i'm waiting for my gigabeat to arrive at home :) |
| 23:17:51 | Bagder | combrains: I can read the code... |
| 23:18:07 | Nico_P | it will probably even arrive whan i get back from my ski vacataion |
| 23:18:22 | Nico_P | at the same time as my gf comes to visit me |
| 23:18:27 | Nico_P | isn't life great . |
| 23:18:29 | Nico_P | ? |
| 23:18:57 | amiconn | One thing is that we don't do disk poweroff on ipods yet |
| 23:19:10 | tchan | the ebayers are selling refurbished gigabeat F40's for $150 US, including the shipping to usa addresses |
| 23:19:20 | amiconn | And thinking back on how much that helped on the H1x0... |
| 23:20:22 | Soap | how much did it help? |
| 23:20:26 | * | amiconn wonders how rockbox runtime and of runtime relate on the H10 |
| 23:20:38 | amiconn | Soap: Was like 15->20 hours iirc |
| 23:20:52 | Soap | very significant. |
| 23:21:27 | amiconn | Yes. Still not as much as sending the usbotg controller to sleep helped on the H300 :) |
| 23:21:30 | Soap | so is the drive powered but not spinning currently on the ipods? |
| 23:21:33 | amiconn | yes |
| 23:21:44 | amiconn | It's in standby all the time, drawing a few mA |
| 23:21:51 | Soap | what is that power doing? playing cards? |
| 23:23:09 | amiconn | The drive electronics consumes it, while waiting for a command to arrive |
| 23:24:20 | pixelma | eating apples... ;) |
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| 23:25:40 | * | barrywardell points amiconn to http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/benchmark.png |
| 23:25:49 | barrywardell | it's about 60-70% of runtime |
| 23:26:00 | barrywardell | OF runtime |
| 23:26:26 | barrywardell | the OF gets about 14-16 hours |
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| 23:27:48 | Arathis | barrywardell: Do you know rockboys standard keys on H10? I messed them up :/ |
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| 23:30:02 | barrywardell | Arathis: A=play, b=ff, start=rew, select=none, menu=power |
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| 23:30:28 | Arathis | ah, select=none. sad, but that solves my problem (in a way) |
| 23:31:38 | perl|wtf | so...brickmania menu screen is still broken |
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| 23:32:20 | barrywardell | Arathis: feel free to propose better keymaps ;) |
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| 23:33:01 | Arathis | barrywardell: the problem is the h10 has one key less than a gameboy because of the needed menu key |
| 23:33:54 | Arathis | barrywardell: I think sound slowness is caused by missing cpu core support? |
| 23:34:41 | barrywardell | i don't think rockboy has been particularly optimised for the h10 yet |
| 23:34:54 | barrywardell | using the second core may be one possible way to optimise |
| 23:35:09 | perldiver | Nico_P |
| 23:35:12 | perldiver | you here? |
| 23:35:26 | Nico_P | perldiver: yes |
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| 23:35:47 | perldiver | does the cuesheet patch still conflict with the album art? |
| 23:36:50 | perldiver | and btw, i like the inv approach as well |
| 23:37:00 | linuxstb_ | perl|wtf: It doesn't look like brickmania has been adapted for the gigabeat yet - it just seems to compile by chance, and I think uses the bitmaps for the 220x176 screens. |
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| 23:37:28 | perldiver | linuxstb aha, thanks for the info |
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| 23:37:52 | linuxstb_ | Seems midkay forgot you.... |
| 23:38:02 | perldiver | i always thought menu screen is more important than paddles though :P |
| 23:38:26 | Nico_P | perldiver: the patches probably conflict when applied but they are totally separate features so you can make them work together |
| 23:38:37 | perldiver | is he in need for bitmaps by any chance, i can create him plenty |
| 23:38:39 | Nico_P | you just need to apply the rejects manually |
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| 23:46:44 | perldiver | Nico_P ok let me try |
| 23:48:55 | perldiver | hunk #3 failed at 2980 |
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| 23:51:22 | perldiver | have the gwps-common.c.rej |
| 23:52:12 | Nico_P | it should just be a matter of copy-pasting the rej to the right place in gwps-common.c |
| 23:52:38 | perldiver | yeah figured |
| 23:52:44 | perldiver | looking at it |
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