| 00:00:19 | Mikachu | hohooo, hohooo |
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| 00:03:39 | Zagor | ahhh, \Q it is. |
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| 00:04:01 | Llorean | hcs: You here? |
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| 00:13:14 | Bagder | sansa e200 users just have to reach a new Rockbox record in number of bricks due stupidity |
| 00:13:47 | Bagder | seems to be a few almost daily |
| 00:14:44 | Soap | I should start buying the bricked players. |
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| 00:15:28 | midkay | Bagder: the installation process is dangerous if you aren't careful? |
| 00:15:40 | Bagder | not really |
| 00:15:47 | Bagder | but these guys play by their ear |
| 00:16:01 | Bagder | and runs every imaginable weird thing |
| 00:16:17 | Bagder | if they would just follow the instructions it would be no problem |
| 00:16:38 | foolsh | the instructions are very clear if *read * |
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| 00:16:42 | midkay | most people seem to have an aversion to actually following instructions.. |
| 00:17:19 | * | mattzz bricked his sansa as well. Anyone? |
| 00:17:35 | Soap | $10 |
| 00:17:43 | mattzz | problem is not so much *what* to do, but *what not* to do |
| 00:17:58 | dan_a | mattzz: Have you tried using e200tool to recover it |
| 00:18:00 | Zagor | mattzz: deviate from the instructions :) |
| 00:18:15 | mattzz | I replaced it. Up and running again. Lessons learnt |
| 00:19:00 | Mikachu | Bagder: doesn't it have some sort of failsafe mode? |
| 00:19:03 | foolsh | that could be a really long list of what not to do "DO NOT copy bmp files to the recovery partition" "DO NOT ect ect" |
| 00:19:08 | mattzz | That is the reason I created http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200TroubleShooting |
| 00:19:15 | Mikachu | foolsh: do not throw in fire |
| 00:19:21 | foolsh | lol |
| 00:19:31 | Mikachu | foolsh: after throwing in fire, your player will be very hot |
| 00:19:46 | Bagder | Mikachu: yes it does, but you can mess it up while in that mode |
| 00:19:52 | Mikachu | ah |
| 00:19:58 | mattzz | I simply wasn't aware of the possibility to brick it while in recovery mode. (And it was quite late at night). |
| 00:21:40 | mattzz | I can hear you guys... yeah, I am stupid. ;-) |
| 00:21:51 | Bagder | haha |
| 00:22:05 | Mikachu | is it really bricked then or can you still fix it somehow? |
| 00:22:11 | Mikachu | i mean you don't seem so upset about it |
| 00:22:16 | foolsh | Is there a howto de-brick an e200 with e200tool? you know just in case. |
| 00:22:20 | mattzz | Mikachu: I replaced it. |
| 00:22:27 | dan_a | I think it's only in the last month or two we've found out how easy they are to kill. |
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| 00:22:52 | Bagder | foolsh: not really, but zefie posted some details on how he did it |
| 00:23:03 | Mikachu | mattzz: bought a new or warranty? |
| 00:23:09 | amiconn | A recovery mode that allows to break things even more isn't very helpful imho |
| 00:23:37 | mattzz | Mikachu: warranty... |
| 00:23:51 | Bagder | it is helpful, just not helpful enough |
| 00:23:51 | Mikachu | that explains your unupsettedness :) |
| 00:24:27 | dan_a | amiconn: It seems like any MI4 file it finds it will write to the firmware partition, and possibly anything else it will write as the bootloader |
| 00:24:45 | mattzz | Mikachu: :-) |
| 00:25:37 | mattzz | Playing with the recovery mode seems to be quite normal for Sansa users. Ooops, copied the wrong file. |
| 00:26:27 | mattzz | Are the theme-modifications related to the bootloader as well? |
| 00:26:48 | * | mattzz has no clue how the theme stuff works |
| 00:27:16 | * | amiconn thinks that if you can break the thing in recovery mode, sandisk did *something* wrong |
| 00:27:38 | * | Bagder agrees |
| 00:27:55 | foolsh | mattzz: yes it involves modifiing the orginal mi4 file from sansa |
| 00:28:01 | Bagder | which I guess is also why they so easily replace units for people |
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| 00:28:34 | Bagder | mattzz: are you referring to the theming of the OF or of Rockbox? |
| 00:28:41 | amiconn | All our targets have a varying degree of bricking protection |
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| 00:29:03 | amiconn | If a device implements a dedicated recovery mode, I would expect it to be brick proof |
| 00:29:14 | mattzz | Bagder: I was referring to thesansa.com people who do a lot with themes |
| 00:29:44 | Bagder | mattzz: when they do it on the OF, they binary-patch the OF and generate a new mi4 from it |
| 00:29:54 | Mikachu | isn't that a thing they could fix in their next firmware upgrade? |
| 00:30:05 | Bagder | (mi4 decrypting of course thanks to mi4code...) |
| 00:30:41 | Bagder | Mikachu: yes they can, as the recovery mode is apparently in the bootloader which they can and are updating |
| 00:30:43 | Mikachu | it would be a pretty clever place to check the mi4 encryption has a valid signature |
| 00:30:44 | mattzz | ah, so they do not have to mess with the BL |
| 00:31:17 | amiconn | From all targets I've seen, the iaudio X5 seems to have the best bricking protection |
| 00:31:18 | Bagder | Mikachu: they do check |
| 00:31:26 | Mikachu | but .bmp files pass? :) |
| 00:31:27 | Bagder | just that the algorithm has a weakness |
| 00:31:36 | Bagder | and we exploit that |
| 00:31:49 | amiconn | The next ones are the archoses and ipods |
| 00:33:03 | dan_a | Bagder: Nice phrasing on the warning on SansaE200Install |
| 00:33:06 | Bagder | but in fact, MrH did his first approach by patching the bootloader to accept a real key that was used to sign the mi4 with |
| 00:33:12 | Bagder | :-) |
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| 00:33:49 | Bagder | at least now we can say we told them |
| 00:35:06 | Mikachu | it seems nobody has lost their disk label since the fix, maybe the bug about that can be closed? (5217) (looking at the 3.0 bugs for fun) |
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| 00:37:49 | * | Bagder leaves for bed |
| 00:38:07 | mattzz | n8 |
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| 00:39:09 | foolsh | I have a question that may seem a bit noobish, but here goes. If I write a program, and I use ifdef target_has_sroll_wheel then I use ifdef No_scroll_wheel. During the compile for my target that has the scroll wheel, are the bits that are in the No_scroll_wheel function still get compiled in or are they left out? |
| 00:40:28 | Mikachu | parts in #ifdef are included or left out completely before the file is passed to the compiler stage |
| 00:40:58 | foolsh | thanks Mikachu |
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| 00:42:16 | dan_a | foolsh: Just a style note - target_has_scroll_wheel and No_scroll_wheel are mutually exclusive, so you could use "#ifdef has_scroll_wheel" and "#ifndef has_scroll_wheel" |
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| 00:43:25 | foolsh | I figured that.... it was just that a have no style yet :-) |
| 00:43:40 | foolsh | s/a/I |
| 00:43:50 | dionoea | syntax error |
| 00:44:51 | foolsh | well I've been up for 20+ hours i think its time for bed |
| 00:45:30 | Mikachu | or #ifdef HAS_SCROLL_WHEEL ... #else ... #endif |
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| 00:50:12 | foolsh | but before I go does any one know who wrote cube.c and how i may contact them? |
| 00:50:39 | Mikachu | it should be written in the header |
| 00:50:52 | Mikachu | * Copyright (C) 2002 Damien Teney |
| 00:50:52 | Mikachu | * modified to use int instead of float math by Andreas Zwirtes |
| 00:50:52 | Mikachu | * heavily extended by Jens Arnold |
| 00:51:03 | Mikachu | the last one is amiconn |
| 00:51:13 | foolsh | cool thanks |
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| 00:55:03 | foolsh | I'm toying around with a 3d rockbox logo but my xyz data does not show up like want it to.. kinda like the y and z are transposed have'nt figured it out |
| 00:55:57 | foolsh | using cube.c as a base |
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| 01:13:16 | ze | foolsh: some people take up as (0,1,0) others as (0,0,1) |
| 01:13:28 | ze | in 3D stuff in general |
| 01:13:31 | ze | so its entirely possible :p |
| 01:14:14 | Zagor | some more done on the irc reader: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl |
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| 01:22:51 | Soap | why are some of the timestamps hyperlinks? |
| 01:23:40 | Zagor | so you can link to a specific line/time |
| 01:23:44 | Soap | ahh, all the actual people-talk timestamps are links, still don't know why, but at least I see the pattern. |
| 01:23:51 | Soap | ahh, nifty. |
| 01:24:09 | Soap | does changing colour style work yet? or is it just me? |
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| 01:24:25 | Zagor | works for me |
| 01:24:34 | Zagor | what browser are you using? |
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| 01:25:29 | Soap | FF 2 |
| 01:25:37 | Soap | It worked after I refreshed the page. |
| 01:25:43 | Soap | but not originally. |
| 01:25:47 | Zagor | ok |
| 01:26:07 | Zagor | perhaps you did not get the css the first time |
| 01:26:22 | Zagor | i tried adding the left-side menu, which removed the css temporarily |
| 01:27:14 | Soap | yes, I can believe that, as I can not for the life of me reproduce. |
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| 01:27:45 | Zagor | the nick colour algorithm needs some love. if anyone feels like playing a bit with that, feel free. we need colours that look good on blue, black and white. and preferrably colours that are different from each other too... |
| 01:28:05 | Zagor | "look good" = readable |
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| 01:28:34 | Zagor | and the number of colours is variable. |
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| 01:34:23 | terinjokes | yay! I finally compiled rockbox correctly! |
| 01:35:12 | Zagor | congratulations :) |
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| 01:35:45 | terinjokes | I don't know why I cared, speaking its just faster to download the zip... |
| 01:36:53 | Zagor | well the satisfaction of doing it yourself is nothing to sneeze at |
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| 01:38:01 | scorche | it teaches you valuable life lessons =) |
| 01:38:54 | Llorean | Any of the gigabeat devs around right now? Another question from the noob. |
| 01:39:19 | Soap | RTFM |
| 01:39:27 | Soap | ;) |
| 01:39:39 | Llorean | Soap: While I haven't actually checked the manual for this one, I'm reasonably certain it's not there. ;) |
| 01:39:48 | midkay | Zagor: i like this reader.. what would be useful colorwise? a batch of easy-to-read RGB values atop this blue background? |
| 01:39:53 | markun | Llorean: semi-around :) |
| 01:40:17 | Zagor | midkay: either that, or an algorithm I can use in the perl script |
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| 01:40:26 | Llorean | markun: The line-out: Is it at the level it's at because of a hardware limitation, or can it be adjusted in software like the iPod line-out, and we just have it locked? |
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| 01:40:49 | midkay | Zagor: can't help much with an algorithm :) but i can certainly get some good-looking colors for you... |
| 01:40:53 | Llorean | Zagor: What's the link for the page? |
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| 01:41:02 | Zagor | Llorean: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl |
| 01:41:33 | Llorean | Man, I get an _ugly_ brown. |
| 01:41:39 | Zagor | brown?? |
| 01:41:53 | Llorean | It looks brownish on my screen. |
| 01:41:57 | Llorean | At least against the blue |
| 01:41:58 | Zagor | oh you mean your nick? |
| 01:42:02 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 01:42:09 | Llorean | Sorry |
| 01:42:14 | Zagor | yeah, the nick colours need more work |
| 01:42:30 | Zagor | reload if you're not happy with it :) |
| 01:43:52 | markun | Llorean: it's software controlable |
| 01:44:33 | Llorean | markun: Thanks. Just trying to wrap my head around a few ideas. |
| 01:44:49 | markun | Llorean: what are you planning to do? |
| 01:45:02 | * | terinjokes wonders what colour he is |
| 01:45:13 | Llorean | terinjokes: random, right now. |
| 01:45:25 | terinjokes | Llorean: on my screen, its all white... |
| 01:45:39 | terinjokes | granted i'm running in lynx... |
| 01:45:43 | Zagor | terinjokes: the colours are simply randomised |
| 01:45:53 | Llorean | markun: Well, for my personal use, the controls for my speakers are distant but the gigabeat remote is very nearby. So, for me, having it adjustable in software would be better, since I'll only use the line out in that setup. |
| 01:46:10 | * | scorche says something to get a color |
| 01:46:13 | Llorean | markun: Just set the speakers so that at line-level it's too loud, and then decrease the on-gigabeat level to a usable one. |
| 01:46:30 | markun | like the iriver line out |
| 01:46:30 | scorche | oh...randomized =/ |
| 01:46:56 | Llorean | markun: Essentially yes. In my opinion it should default to staying at line-level, but an option somewhere could just have a Yes/No to whether it matches the "Volume" as opposed to being locked. |
| 01:47:10 | Llorean | People expect a "Line-Out" to be line level. |
| 01:47:15 | terinjokes | Hey, you guys are working with a Austrian company, right? |
| 01:47:36 | Zagor | scorche: although some kind of crc method would be quite nice, so nicks get the same colours over time |
| 01:47:45 | markun | terinjokes: some of us guys might be, yes |
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| 01:48:57 | Llorean | RGB could be 150-(1st, 4th, 7th etc letters) or (2nd, 5th, 8th) or (3rd, 6th, 9th) as a simple idea? |
| 01:48:58 | terinjokes | well I'm a wikinews contributor, and looking at our stats, we have lots on austrian (and australian) readers |
| 01:49:08 | Zagor | there, now nobody can link to "current" |
| 01:49:19 | Llorean | Add the 1st, 4th, 7th letter, then modulus say 128? |
| 01:50:03 | midkay | Zagor: here are 10 colors that are readable and good looking against that color: http://pastebin.com/869870 |
| 01:50:50 | Zagor | midkay: thanks. but yesterday there were 160+ nicks, not counting those with css-illegal names... |
| 01:51:23 | Llorean | That would generate (legal characters)^3 colors, though there would be some repeats of course. |
| 01:51:26 | Zagor | I think a good checksum/hash algorithm is the best solution |
| 01:51:28 | Llorean | And I'm not sure how they'd all look. |
| 01:51:51 | Zagor | Llorean: definitely worth playing with |
| 01:52:24 | Llorean | I was gonna go try it, and then I remembered I don't have apache installed to play with any more. :) |
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| 01:52:37 | midkay | Zagor: ah, alright.. keep in mind that generally only a few people are active.. half or more of those were surely webguests, many of which who didn't say anything or just a couple lines. (we don't have that many truly active users in here.) |
| 01:52:55 | terinjokes | midkay: I'm truely annoying (if that counts) |
| 01:53:00 | Zagor | midkay: no I'm talking about the number of nicks who were active yesterday |
| 01:53:11 | Zagor | i.e. present in the log |
| 01:53:24 | midgey | you could make all the webguests one color |
| 01:53:27 | midkay | Zagor: right.. and how many of those said more than about 2 lines? |
| 01:53:40 | midkay | and yeah, i think webguests should be all one color (gray or something).. i was just going to say that. |
| 01:53:58 | Llorean | Zagor: You could let people choose their own colors via the IRCnicks page, on a first come first server basis, and then randomly assign from a select range of colors for anyone who hasn't picked one. |
| 01:53:59 | Zagor | midkay: does it really matter? the goal is to make everytime more readable, including one-liners |
| 01:53:59 | safetydan | You could also possibly use the hostmask to mark the rockbox devs in a different colour |
| 01:54:00 | scorche | we could also color only prominient members of the community...color those with a cloak basically? |
| 01:54:13 | Zagor | s/everytime/everything |
| 01:54:18 | terinjokes | scorche, a rockbox cloak? |
| 01:54:27 | scorche | terinjokes: yes |
| 01:54:39 | safetydan | might make it easier to skim for important stuff in the logs |
| 01:54:49 | scorche | exactly |
| 01:55:04 | Zagor | yes, I've thought about that too. |
| 01:55:22 | scorche | and i dont mind if everyone who comes in asking where they download rockboy is grey |
| 01:55:24 | Llorean | For that, you could just have a list at the beginning of the logs for "Names Seen Today", and clicking them could bold lines by those names. |
| 01:55:39 | Zagor | I'd need a nick database though, since the cloaks are only seen on join |
| 01:55:39 | midgey | how about an option to only show messages? no quit or join etc |
| 01:56:03 | Zagor | Llorean: yes, I've been thinking about some options like that. |
| 01:56:10 | scorche | Zagor: i have a list of all the recent cloak additions i made last time |
| 01:56:42 | scorche | i could bug a staffer for a full list |
| 01:57:00 | Zagor | what do you guys think about the color. do we need the black and white themes? they make the colour options much more limited. |
| 01:57:10 | Zagor | the background, I mean |
| 01:57:11 | scorche | lets not |
| 01:57:32 | scorche | although i think white on back would make the site more readable than light blue |
| 01:57:35 | Llorean | Actually, I think white on black expands the color options a lot |
| 01:57:35 | midkay | Zagor: there were 2300 lines in yesterday's log. |
| 01:57:49 | midkay | i think someone speaking one line of that can stand to have a repeated color... |
| 01:58:07 | Zagor | Llorean: yes, but having several different backgrounds limit them |
| 01:58:23 | midkay | xchat's white-on-black scheme allows a lot more colors.. light blue doesn't really allow for much variety.. no light colors, all must be dark and most are more or less black. |
| 01:58:23 | markun | Zagor: is there anything you can do for people like me (limited color vision) |
| 01:58:24 | Zagor | midkay: the colour is not for the speaker, but for the reader |
| 01:58:27 | scorche | Zagor: why not just white on black then? |
| 01:58:52 | Llorean | Zagor: I second "White on Black" being the only viewing option. |
| 01:58:57 | Zagor | markun: I don't know. what would make it easier for you? |
| 01:58:57 | * | JdGordon hates white on blak schemes... |
| 01:59:03 | scorche | markun: lines blinking at different rates? =P |
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| 01:59:48 | markun | Zagor: to not only change the hue but also the brightness |
| 01:59:50 | terinjokes | <blink>Rockbox!</blink> |
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| 02:00:22 | Zagor | markun: on nicks or on everything? |
| 02:00:47 | markun | just for the different colours you use. But I don't know how much it will help. |
| 02:01:27 | midkay | Zagor: a tad off-topic, but two things i want to note: (1) the SVN builds page doesn't have a left-side site navigation bar like every other page has, and i think it really should.. and (2) if SVN builds page is replacing/eliminating Daily Builds, maybe the download links beneath the chart (icons for each model, etc) should be actually above the chart.. |
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| 02:01:50 | midkay | the chart might confuse people looking for downloads. if it's first on the page, it's what they'll look at first. |
| 02:02:05 | terinjokes | i second the nav-bar |
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| 02:02:22 | BiptoN | how hard do you guys think, or would it even be feesible to add compact flash support to rockbox |
| 02:02:36 | BiptoN | such as replacing a hard drive with a compact flash card |
| 02:02:42 | Llorean | midkay: Now that it's labelled 'Current Builds' I can't imagine it confusing them too much, since above the chart is text telling them the builds are below it |
| 02:02:44 | Zagor | the missing navbar is simply because the build site is on a different server from www.rb.org. it should be there, it just needs fixing. |
| 02:02:49 | scorche | BiptoN: you already can |
| 02:03:00 | BiptoN | i just tried puttin one in my X5 |
| 02:03:03 | BiptoN | lol |
| 02:03:05 | midkay | Zagor: that's what i'm saying - fix it ;) |
| 02:03:07 | BiptoN | get ata error -11 |
| 02:03:09 | Llorean | midkay: Though honestly, I'm surprised there hasn't been a "Where are the daily builds?" request in the past 6 hours. |
| 02:03:21 | markun | Zagor: for example, now scorche, Llorean and markun have the same colour (but not for you I think?) |
| 02:03:44 | Llorean | markun: The page randomizes colors at the moment, nobody can see what colors you've received anyway. |
| 02:03:45 | Zagor | markun: correct, the colours are randomised each reload, so I can't see yours |
| 02:03:58 | markun | oh, sorry :) |
| 02:04:08 | midkay | Llorean: hmm.. well, two things. (1) i don't think people are going to look immediately at the (small in comparison) sentence at the top saying "below are the builds" when there's a massive, bright green and red (!) table taking up 80% of the screen.. |
| 02:04:10 | Zagor | and I know the colours are currently bad. they are sometimes hard to read for me too. |
| 02:04:24 | Llorean | midkay: This is possibly true, yes. :) |
| 02:04:32 | midkay | and (2) developers are the only ones who want to see the table, compared to (hundreds?) of users who just want the build.. |
| 02:04:48 | midkay | so i think, when prioritized, the downloads should come before all the developer details. |
| 02:05:20 | Llorean | It doesn't really make a difference to me. |
| 02:05:25 | midkay | of course, the dev information is still there, it just isn't the first thing people see when they arrive. they can still get there by scrolling down a few lines... |
| 02:05:39 | Llorean | I just don't think it will confuse users any more than the old "Daily vs SVN builds" question did |
| 02:05:39 | midkay | right, i'm just trying to picture a user coming to this complicated table and wondering what to do. |
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| 02:06:03 | midkay | click on the green and red buttons? what's this "build log"?.. |
| 02:06:25 | midkay | "score"? what on earth? |
| 02:06:42 | Llorean | What about the idea that users should be encouraged to read at least a little bit on the way to downloading Rockbox, so they maybe get in the habit of doing it before they get to a step that can mess up their player? |
| 02:06:43 | Llorean | :-P |
| 02:07:04 | midkay | haha. |
| 02:07:08 | midkay | honestly though.. |
| 02:07:22 | Llorean | It's true, swapping them would make it slightly easier on normal users I suppose. |
| 02:07:30 | Zagor | join/leave filter added |
| 02:07:43 | terinjokes | but i like the table! |
| 02:07:54 | midkay | terinjokes: it'd still be there. |
| 02:08:33 | Llorean | midkay: Though the SVN build page does have the disadvantage that if a build is in progress, not all targets show up in the table. It'd be really nice if users *had* to read that sentence anyway. |
| 02:08:49 | midkay | don't move the sentence, just the table?.. |
| 02:09:19 | midkay | "Below are the current SVN build downloads. If your build doesn't appear, wait 5-10 minutes and refresh." -> table of downloads beneath -> chart of build statuses beneath that. |
| 02:09:34 | Llorean | The table also shows that a build is in progress. I'm not arguing either side honestly, as I said, it doesn't make a difference to me, but I think there are merits to either way. |
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| 02:10:03 | * | Llorean wants the color 4f3ac4 |
| 02:10:40 | midkay | i know what you're saying. :) |
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| 02:11:09 | midkay | my final word is just that, for probably 90-95% of our user base, the table is entirely unhelpful and uninteresting. |
| 02:11:41 | midkay | (you could maybe have a bold, centered bit of text that says "builds in progress" above the download table if that's your concern..) |
| 02:12:16 | Llorean | A blinking, red, bold, all caps "BUILDS IN PROGRESS, COME BACK IN 5 MINUTES IF YOURS ISN'T HERE"? :-P |
| 02:12:29 | terinjokes | listen, if the developers want the table at the table, i can make a nice little userscript/userstyle that displays it on top |
| 02:12:32 | midkay | haha. |
| 02:12:34 | terinjokes | table at the top* |
| 02:13:06 | terinjokes | Llorean: from a webdeveloper point of view, blinking things aren't nice |
| 02:13:16 | Llorean | terinjokes: Mostly I agree that the users will prefer the builds come second. I just want both sides fully weighed so that if users start coming in asking where the build is for their player I can tell Midkay I told him so. |
| 02:13:26 | Llorean | terinjokes: Also, the blinking thing was a joke. |
| 02:14:05 | terinjokes | though I can understand the red and bold :P |
| 02:14:28 | Llorean | And now I have to meet some people. Good luck with the stuff. |
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| 02:14:54 | terinjokes | bye and bye! |
| 02:14:56 | midkay | Llorean: all things considered, we're building for a total of maybe 45 minutes out of a 24-hour day. considering the smallish number of users that might stop by during that time, a *large* (like 18 or 24 point) bold centered "builds in progress" warning should tide them all over. |
| 02:15:59 | terinjokes | LOL i got to love the simpsons "Revenage of the GEEKS"...LOL |
| 02:16:19 | Zagor | scorche: if you can get me that list of cloaked users, I'll see what I can do with it |
| 02:16:22 | terinjokes | sorry, went off topic |
| 02:16:38 | Zagor | ...but now I have an appointment with my pillow |
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| 02:17:30 | scorche | alright |
| 02:18:28 | terinjokes | must be night time in europe... that means tea time here in australia |
| 02:20:49 | terinjokes | ok, those ATT commericals are getting annoying |
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| 02:25:01 | terinjokes | hey Jsunu! |
| 02:25:07 | Jsunu | hi |
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| 02:26:34 | terinjokes | Welcome to #rockbox! |
| 02:30:23 | terinjokes | LOL, The Simpson episode was in tribute to everyone who did in Star Wars, they've got some humour... |
| 02:30:56 | scorche | terinjokes: welcome to #rockbox! |
| 02:31:06 | scorche | where we talk about things rockbox-ish |
| 02:32:11 | terinjokes | scorche: well we weren't talking about anything, and I already said "I'm truely annoying (if that counts)" |
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| 02:34:09 | terinjokes | and freenode doesn't have a '#simpsons' |
| 02:36:18 | * | JdGordon wishes to bomb my uni |
| 02:37:08 | terinjokes | JdGordon: can I get your university's security phone number and your student number? |
| 02:37:25 | JdGordon | :) |
| 02:37:42 | JdGordon | parking permits have gone from 90$ to 280$ because of stupid VSU |
| 02:38:05 | scorche | holy ouch |
| 02:38:10 | TrueJournals | Hey, if anyone remembers my problem I was having today... I'm still having it |
| 02:38:20 | scorche | terinjokes: you already have his name.. |
| 02:38:30 | terinjokes | not his uni :P |
| 02:38:57 | scorche | search the logs to find it |
| 02:38:58 | TrueJournals | for those of you who don't remember: I have a H10 20GB, I built my own build and any time I try to boot, right after it shows "Sum: ..." in the bootloader, it just resets |
| 02:39:09 | terinjokes | scorche: i don't have a web browser :P |
| 02:39:37 | JdGordon | TrueJournals: you got rockobx.h10 on the player? |
| 02:39:39 | terinjokes | TrueJournals: does the offical build have the same problem? |
| 02:39:42 | JdGordon | or whatervt the rockbox. file is? |
| 02:40:16 | TrueJournals | I have all the proper files on the player, and it boots fine after it resets like 5 - 10 times |
| 02:40:31 | dewdude | offical build or your build? |
| 02:40:40 | TrueJournals | my build |
| 02:40:43 | dewdude | try offical. |
| 02:41:02 | TrueJournals | OK, Hold on a second... |
| 02:41:21 | dewdude | if offical build of the bootloader and rockbox don't do it, then your build has problems |
| 02:42:00 | TrueJournals | you mean if they do work? |
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| 02:42:54 | TrueJournals | brb |
| 02:43:38 | terinjokes | Bromine Boride |
| 02:44:41 | TrueJournals | Bromine Boride? |
| 02:45:11 | terinjokes | the chemical formula is 'BrB' |
| 02:45:17 | TrueJournals | got it |
| 02:45:32 | TrueJournals | I'll have to start using that one... :-p |
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| 02:47:07 | TrueJournals | Trying with my bootloader, official build (latest SVN) |
| 02:47:20 | TrueJournals | and that worked |
| 02:47:23 | TrueJournals | darn... |
| 02:48:08 | TrueJournals | I have a feeling the kernel_on_cop7 patch is what's causing the problem... (I have that, scrolling margins, and some game patches installed) |
| 02:49:31 | dewdude | it's possible |
| 02:49:42 | TrueJournals | The weird thing is... with my build, the version number is 20r(...), and with the official build, the version number is r(...). Anyone know where the build number is in the source, maybe something's haywire there... |
| 02:49:44 | dewdude | cop on PP players has been difficult to get working from my best understanding |
| 02:50:04 | TrueJournals | It's been working fine until the latest build with the kernel_on_cop7 patch |
| 02:50:23 | dewdude | well, cop support is very exparmental |
| 02:50:23 | terinjokes | whenever i try to install patches, i just get 'HUNK FAILURE' or something like that |
| 02:50:35 | TrueJournals | yeah |
| 02:50:52 | TrueJournals | and a lot of people have been reporting SLOWER performance with the latest patch... |
| 02:50:52 | TrueJournals | hm |
| 02:50:55 | dewdude | i mean, i'm using a build of rockbox that's near a month old becuase it's got working cop support |
| 02:51:03 | TrueJournals | lol |
| 02:51:05 | dewdude | but i have an ipod. |
| 02:52:16 | TrueJournals | ah, yeah, the version number seems to be the problem... when it resets, the version number is 20r(...), but when looking at the version when it boots successfully, the version number is r(...) |
| 02:52:35 | dewdude | i don't think that would cause a problem |
| 02:52:42 | dewdude | i think you goofed when you built it |
| 02:52:53 | TrueJournals | I wouldn't think so either, but I did everything like I normally do |
| 02:53:42 | * | dewdude shrugs |
| 02:53:48 | dewdude | i'm not a programmer |
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| 02:54:07 | smize | did they come out with a new build for rockbox yet? |
| 02:54:30 | dewdude | did you look at the website? |
| 02:54:47 | smize | did they make a mpeg viewer yet? |
| 02:55:04 | dewdude | i repeat....did you look at the website? |
| 02:55:07 | smize | yes |
| 02:55:14 | dewdude | apparently you didn't look very hard. |
| 02:55:15 | smize | wondering if it works or what |
| 02:55:18 | terinjokes | smize: basic mpeg support, yes |
| 02:55:32 | smize | cool |
| 02:55:43 | smize | u guys know anywhere else to find some themes |
| 02:55:48 | smize | besides rockbox.org |
| 02:55:57 | terinjokes | forums.rockbox.org... |
| 02:56:02 | smize | besides that |
| 02:56:10 | sneakums | www.rockbox-themes.org |
| 02:56:19 | smize | i said besides that..... |
| 02:56:26 | terinjokes | isn't that the same stuff? |
| 02:56:31 | smize | pretty much |
| 02:56:31 | sneakums | you didn't, but whatever. |
| 02:56:33 | dewdude | smize: this is not the place to ask such questions like that. |
| 02:56:38 | smize | hwy not |
| 02:56:39 | smize | why |
| 02:56:41 | dewdude | all the inforation you seek can be found in the website or on the forums. |
| 02:56:44 | smize | its a rockbox irc |
| 02:56:45 | dewdude | becuase, this is a support channel |
| 02:56:45 | terinjokes | smize: i think you've found them all then |
| 02:56:50 | dewdude | not "i didn't read the website" channel. |
| 02:56:55 | smize | im jw if someone else found more settle down |
| 02:57:06 | dewdude | smize: the forums is the place for that. |
| 02:57:09 | smize | rockbox irc bro |
| 02:57:11 | dewdude | this is a technical support channels |
| 02:57:15 | smize | so |
| 02:57:18 | smize | kater |
| 02:57:20 | smize | later |
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| 02:57:45 | TrueJournals | I applied a patch to add rockboy support for the H10, and I'm trying it out... and my only question is... is the sound supposed to be really messed up? |
| 02:57:54 | terinjokes | dewdude: perhaps we should change the topic "TECHNICAL SUPPORT CHANNEL ONLY, PLEASE READ THE WEBSITE FIRST! SVN transition completed, any quirks left?" |
| 02:58:08 | TrueJournals | wait a minute |
| 02:58:13 | terinjokes | TrueJournals: i wouldn't think so... |
| 02:58:42 | argonel | nobody ever looks at the topic |
| 02:58:46 | dewdude | i don't have that ability. but the devs hate when there's idle chat and simple stuff like that asked in channel becuase they log everything |
| 02:58:49 | TrueJournals | (sound) "still choppy because rockboy is not at full speed" |
| 02:58:52 | TrueJournals | nevermind |
| 02:59:06 | scorche | ...yes |
| 02:59:21 | scorche | and i might change the topic to something like that a bit later.. |
| 02:59:55 | argonel | there is the possibilty of an onjoin message with chanserv, and you could create ##rockbox |
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| 03:00:03 | terinjokes | I read the topic (in #gentoo-ppc theres always interesting programs to test) |
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| 03:00:21 | dewdude | argonel, there's an alternative rockbox channel created for users to chat in, but no one goes in. |
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| 03:00:32 | dewdude | #rockbox-community |
| 03:00:44 | dewdude | it's been tried before as well with sad results. |
| 03:00:51 | terinjokes | Welcome, Nimdae, to #rockbox, community general discussion is in #rockbox-community |
| 03:01:23 | argonel | this is why there is #kde and #kde-devel |
| 03:01:24 | scorche | stop welcoming people please... |
| 03:01:59 | argonel | it was impossible to keep the nondevs out of #kde, so the devs left |
| 03:02:34 | Nimdae | wow, i got welcomed here |
| 03:02:50 | terinjokes | see scorche, it makes people happier |
| 03:02:58 | Nimdae | actually |
| 03:03:01 | Nimdae | i was a bit annoyed |
| 03:03:23 | scorche | exactly ;) |
| 03:03:36 | Nimdae | "hey nimdae, how's it going?" is more in line to what would make me happier |
| 03:03:43 | Nimdae | that looked more like spam ;) |
| 03:03:57 | Nimdae | "hey, welcome to this channel! come to my channel too!" |
| 03:04:37 | * | Nimdae wanders off into rockbox.org |
| 03:05:06 | dewdude | that would of been funny of the channel had been terinjokes', but it's not. |
| 03:07:51 | Nimdae | well, in all honesty, i would look at the topic to find where alt channels can be located |
| 03:08:14 | Nimdae | at least, that's how it's been done in the 10+ years i've been on irc ;) |
| 03:08:33 | Nimdae | god, every time i realize it's been over 10 years, i feel old |
| 03:08:58 | Febs | Nimdae: you missed the statement shortly before you joined, "nobody ever looks at the topic." Which is of course is not true. |
| 03:09:01 | terinjokes | Nimdae: its ok, I feel old too (wow! I've been on this thing for 10 years!) |
| 03:10:07 | Nimdae | when i join a new channel, i always read the topic ;) |
| 03:10:43 | terinjokes | In most clients, its big and in your face whenever you join a channel |
| 03:11:03 | Nimdae | heh, not in irssi |
| 03:11:22 | Nimdae | it just kinda scrolls by |
| 03:11:29 | safetydan | It's basically not visible in the CGI::IRC page either |
| 03:12:00 | Nimdae | anyway, i'm gonna ignore this for a bit while i work on updating ipod |
| 03:12:11 | Nimdae | is the bootloader worth updating given the recent changes? |
| 03:12:50 | Nimdae | well, i guess that doesn't matter when my ipod isn't being detected by my computer |
| 03:13:38 | Nimdae | which is most likely because my ipod appears "dead" |
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| 03:14:26 | jba | hey guys |
| 03:14:36 | jba | anyone seen sloth or gotthardt around? |
| 03:15:22 | jba | markun: my gigabeat X definitely seems to be waiting till the screen has faded in to register the key press beep when i set lcd disable on |
| 03:15:48 | jba | if i don't disable the lcd on fade out, then as soon as i press the key i hear the dbeep and th gigabeat skips to next song |
| 03:15:56 | jba | regardless of whether crossfade is set on |
| 03:16:06 | Nimdae | well...guess i need to find out why those usb ports don't work |
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| 03:58:03 | Munchkinguy | I'm a bit confused... Why is it that Rockbox can be distributed in binary form, but LAME cannot? |
| 03:59:05 | Soap | are you refering to MP3 encoders? |
| 03:59:18 | Munchkinguy | yes |
| 03:59:22 | tsuyoshi | who said lame couldn't be distributed? |
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| 04:00:50 | Munchkinguy | tsuyoshi: "LAME developers state that since their code is only released in source form, it should only be considered as a description of an MP3 encoder, and thus does not infringe any patent by itself when released as source code only [2]. At the same time, they advise obtaining a patents license [3] before including a compiled version of the encoder into a product." |
| 04:00:59 | Munchkinguy | - Wikipedia |
| 04:01:51 | terinjokes | does rb have a patent license? |
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| 04:04:45 | Munchkinguy | I doubt it |
| 04:04:49 | tsuyoshi | no |
| 04:05:00 | Munchkinguy | Distributors under the GPL also grant a license for any of their patents practiced by the software, to practice those patents in GPL software. |
| 04:05:07 | tsuyoshi | the license has a per-unit fee |
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| 04:05:24 | tsuyoshi | nobody is going to pay that for gpl software |
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| 04:06:48 | terinjokes | how much is that fee? |
| 04:06:55 | Munchkinguy | Is there a patent-free version of rockbox? |
| 04:07:36 | tsuyoshi | I don't know.. probably $5 or something |
| 04:08:25 | tsuyoshi | munchkinguy: there wouldn't be any point.. all the devices it runs on have an mp3 license anyway |
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| 04:08:33 | Munchkinguy | ah |
| 04:08:48 | Munchkinguy | *That's* how it works |
| 04:09:02 | terinjokes | ok, does the UISimulator have a patent? |
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| 04:09:38 | Munchkinguy | tsuyoshi: That's smart. |
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| 04:19:34 | safetydan | Munchkinguy: I believe software patents don't apply to Europe which is where most of Rockbox is developed. |
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| 04:33:27 | JdGordon | ? software patenst dont apply in yurope? |
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| 04:39:26 | Munchkinguy | JdGordon: Also, there are very few in Canada. |
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| 04:44:49 | safetydan | .JdGordon, AFAIK no, the euros don't recognise software as being patentable. That may be changing soon though. |
| 04:50:03 | Munchkinguy | I'm looking at http://tinyurl.com/yryrh7 , and if I'm reading this correctly, it means that the patent has not yet been issued. Is this right? |
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| 05:00:40 | JdGordon | ah ok |
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| 05:15:46 | illriginal | I know this is offtopic... but does anyone know where i can get a DCC server for my linux box? |
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| 05:17:23 | scorche | if you knew it was off-topic, then why ask? |
| 05:17:41 | illriginal | was hoping someone knew |
| 05:17:49 | hcs | illriginal: we have a lovely channel for offtopic conversation, #rockbox-community |
| 05:18:05 | scorche | and there are plenty of other channels on freenode |
| 05:18:48 | hcs | well, if he particularly thinks someone in the rockboxsphere might know |
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| 05:31:07 | webguest75 | soap you around ? |
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| 05:38:30 | jamesshuang | hey everyone... totally random idea |
| 05:38:42 | jamesshuang | but is it possible to build some sort of an ipod accessory adapter for other mp3 players? |
| 05:38:56 | scorche | no |
| 05:39:11 | scorche | we dont even know how the accessory protocol works entirely... |
| 05:39:22 | jamesshuang | most of the rockbox targets have their own remotes, so perhaps it might be possible to create a small circuit that would convert apple accessory protocol to the target remote code |
| 05:39:30 | jamesshuang | http://stud3.tuwien.ac.at/~e0026607/ipod_remote/ipod_ap.html |
| 05:39:30 | Llorean | In theory other players with serial ports could *possibly* use them. |
| 05:39:48 | scorche | but we would have to understand the protocol first.. |
| 05:39:59 | jamesshuang | well even without a serial port, perhaps just a small circuit that can convert it to whatever the remote sends out... |
| 05:40:11 | dewdude | that's a LOT of hardware engineering |
| 05:40:17 | Llorean | jamesshuang: If you're talking about using Apple accessories with Rockbox players, all Rockbox needs to do is know the protocol, and have an adapter that adapts the pinout to fit that needed by the accessory (assuming it's physically possible) |
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| 05:40:45 | Llorean | But it's a subject that should be discussed about 3 years from now. |
| 05:40:46 | jamesshuang | for example, I have these wireless headphones with play/pause buttons, and the reciever has an apple plug |
| 05:41:20 | jamesshuang | perhaps we can make a small circuit to convert the apple serial into a gigabeat remote code |
| 05:41:58 | jamesshuang | Llorean: I'm asking my EE friend right now what kind of circuitry this would require... how would I find out about the gigabeat's remote codes? |
| 05:42:35 | Llorean | jamesshuang: What gigabeats remote codes. Are we talking in-Rockbox? Rockbox can speak whatever accessory protocol you want, as long as you actually *know* the protocol, which we do not for apple accessories. |
| 05:43:40 | toffe | the gigabeat remote is just an input on an ADC of the cpu |
| 05:43:57 | jamesshuang | Llorean: I'm thinking about a more low-level approach, since these headphones really only have three buttons - skip forward, skip back, play/pause... all it needs to do is convert the apple signal (which seems to be a serial code) into whatever rockbox understands currently as the corresponding button press |
| 05:44:47 | toffe | if you are looking what is available as signal input and uotput on the gigabeat, just look the gigabeatinfo page on the wiki |
| 05:45:36 | Llorean | jamesshuang: Why do you *need* a custom circuit to do the job of software? |
| 05:45:45 | toffe | the only thing is that we were not able to find the connector of the dock station in small quantities |
| 05:46:25 | jamesshuang | Llorean: well... because the apple accessory port has 8 pins, and as far as I counted, the gigabeat only has 4... |
| 05:46:30 | Llorean | If you know what code Rockbox will be receiving in serial, then you can tell Rockbox what to do when it receives it, rather than trying to convert it to something. |
| 05:47:08 | safetydan | H120 looks like it has six pins |
| 05:47:36 | Llorean | Do we even know how many of the dock port pins the iPod uses to communicate via serial? |
| 05:47:52 | jamesshuang | well, it looks like I need at least 4 dedicated serial pins somewhere to make the 3G ipod connector work |
| 05:48:02 | jamesshuang | http://pinouts.ru/Devices/ipod_jack_pinout.shtml |
| 05:48:52 | jamesshuang | toffe: that is a consideration... where would we get these crazy connectors? |
| 05:50:01 | safetydan | Llorean, that same site has this http://pinouts.ru/Devices/ipod_pinout.shtml |
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| 05:50:27 | toffe | direct from the maker, it seems that there are used only on the gigabeat and also on the toshiba pda e800, e805 e400 |
| 05:50:45 | Abcminiuser | Anyone familiar with Rockbox's API for saving settings? |
| 05:50:52 | jamesshuang | let's make it simple... what happens on the gigabeat when I press the "play" button on the remote? what kind of signal is sent? it looks like a passive one, since there's no power |
| 05:51:20 | safetydan | Abcminiuser, best just ask your question |
| 05:51:26 | toffe | it is a voltage level on an adc input of the cpu |
| 05:51:41 | Abcminiuser | Ok, 'tis thus: |
| 05:51:58 | Llorean | safetydan: 12, 13, 21, and maybe 18 then? |
| 05:52:09 | Abcminiuser | I've spent the morning making my own RockBox build for my iPod G4 (b&w), using the latest SVN |
| 05:52:11 | safetydan | Llorean, that's what it looks like to me. |
| 05:52:23 | Abcminiuser | I added in a few patches, including the one working iPod piezo one |
| 05:52:31 | jamesshuang | toffe: so that somehow changes the voltage to a specific range, and that corresponds to one keypress? |
| 05:52:46 | Abcminiuser | Unfortunately the beeps were hard-coded with no settings for it, so I added it |
| 05:53:03 | Abcminiuser | I've been able to add it myself, so that you can turn it on and off via the settings menu |
| 05:53:20 | Abcminiuser | But I can't figure out how to save the settings to disk, to make them persistant between restarts |
| 05:53:31 | toffe | jamesshuang : yes |
| 05:54:18 | jamesshuang | toffe: ahh... awesome... is there a table somwhere that lists, for example, "0.6V-0.8V = Play"? |
| 05:55:01 | safetydan | Abcminiuser, did you update things in settings_list.c and settings_list.h? Things have changed recently, but that's where I think you need to look now. |
| 05:55:13 | toffe | jamesshuang : you should look in the code, I don't know where it is exactly or ask markun |
| 05:55:18 | safetydan | jamesshuang, probably the source code is your best bet, unless there's something in the wiki |
| 05:56:06 | Abcminiuser | safety, I'll give it a look |
| 05:56:26 | Abcminiuser | I was able to add in a new entry to the english lang file for the settings string, and added a new boolean to the global_settings struct |
| 05:56:43 | Abcminiuser | But I couldn't see any easy API for saving the settings, so I'll go over it again |
| 05:57:40 | Abcminiuser | Also, who decides to incorporate patches into the mainline? There's a few which work perfectly, but haven't been added for months/years |
| 05:58:25 | Llorean | Hmm... Honestly, I'm rather unhappy with the Debug menu on the gigabeat. |
| 05:58:40 | Llorean | It has two options which don't seem like they belong under "Debug" and the HW Info option doesn't seem to work? |
| 05:58:46 | jamesshuang | toffe: any idea where to even begin looking? I actually don't know where any of the remote-related code is... |
| 05:59:11 | Llorean | Abcminiuser: Which patches did you have in mind, there's often more to it than just "Working Perfectly" |
| 05:59:28 | Abcminiuser | There's the MOD codec patch (for playing .MOD files) |
| 05:59:43 | Abcminiuser | The simple patch to add the "Shutdown" menu item to the iPod menu (useful, if basic) |
| 05:59:46 | toffe | here adc-meg-fx.c and here button-meg-fx.c perhaps in the firmware target directory |
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| 06:00:49 | Llorean | Abcminiuser: The MOD patch still seems to be incomplete, based on the work being done on it. |
| 06:01:13 | Llorean | Abcminiuser: As for the "Shutdown" option, is there an issue with the button not working for some people? What problem exactly does it solve? |
| 06:01:36 | Abcminiuser | Speeds up shutdown, for one |
| 06:01:52 | Abcminiuser | Some people might prefer it, and it might help the blind |
| 06:01:53 | jamesshuang | toffe: thanks! I think I found it... I'll probably play with this sometime |
| 06:02:55 | toffe | jamesshuang : if you want to do some hadware stuff I can help you, I am working on the usb host interface and we have a lot more ideas |
| 06:02:59 | caitsith_2 | When the playback exceeds the total time by something like 45 minutes, 17 seconds, is it supposed to display −−45:-17 on the bracketed time remaining, or isn't that supposed to be just -45:17. |
| 06:03:45 | jamesshuang | toffe: that sounds great... this might be something interesting to consider for a usb interface even |
| 06:03:46 | Llorean | Abcminiuser: I think it's not included because nobody working on the project has felt it's a particularly useful patch overall. There's a general feeling of "You shouldn't add 'features' if they just do exactly the same thing as something else." |
| 06:03:55 | Llorean | Or maybe they just haven't noticed. |
| 06:04:06 | Llorean | Generally for a patch to be included, the patch Author has to bring it to the attention of interested devs. |
| 06:04:07 | caitsith_2 | (All of the emulation codecs that allow a song to play endlessly, do that.) |
| 06:04:14 | Abcminiuser | Well, I suppose it's easy enough to patch it myself each time |
| 06:04:15 | Llorean | The list is just too long for people to remember everything on it. |
| 06:04:31 | safetydan | caitsith_2, probably a bug if it's displaying negative for both parts of the time |
| 06:04:38 | Llorean | caitsith_2: Which codecs exactly? |
| 06:04:48 | Abcminiuser | What about the piezo patch then? |
| 06:05:15 | Abcminiuser | Works fine (I'm working on the settings entry now, all #ifdef'd correctly for portability) and is useful |
| 06:05:41 | Llorean | Abcminiuser: I assume by the fact that you're working on it, that the patch doesn't have the portability changes in it yet? |
| 06:05:47 | safetydan | Abcminiuser, which one? There's two in the tracker. |
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| 06:06:12 | Abcminiuser | Only one syncs with the current code - I think it's the one named ipod_piezo.patch |
| 06:06:14 | Llorean | safetydan: As far as I'm aware, the "Emulation" codecs would only be SPC and NSF, and NSF works fine. |
| 06:06:17 | caitsith_2 | Spc codec, by hcs. |
| 06:06:25 | caitsith_2 | Set the repeat to repeat one. |
| 06:06:38 | Llorean | caitsith_2: Which is a *patch*. The progress bar should never reach negatives,in any included codec. But it's not done yet. |
| 06:06:41 | safetydan | Abcminiuser, fs# 5111? |
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| 06:07:18 | Abcminiuser | I'm checking now, one second |
| 06:07:44 | Llorean | caitsith_2: If a patch doesn't function properly, such as showing impossible times, you should report it to the author by way of posting a comment on its entry in the patch tracker |
| 06:08:46 | jamesshuang | hmm... I guess I'll have to figure out the baseline voltage for the ADC... I found the levels required for the button presses, but I don't know where it's connected and how much voltage I should put through it |
| 06:08:52 | caitsith_2 | Is that what rockbox is supposed to display though, if a negative time is ever reported for time remaining? |
| 06:08:56 | toffe | jamesshuang : if you check the pinout of the connector of the gigabeat, you will see that we have a lot of possibilities |
| 06:08:59 | Abcminiuser | FS #6490 |
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| 06:09:39 | safetydan | Abcminiuser, what makes that one better than 5111? |
| 06:09:48 | toffe | jamesshuang : we have the i2c, i2s, 2 adc input some gpio the usb host |
| 06:09:54 | Llorean | caitsith_2: Negative time should never, EVER be reported. |
| 06:10:10 | jamesshuang | toffe: that's true... there seems to be a lot of interesting things that can be done with these crazy dock connectors, haha |
| 06:11:06 | Abcminiuser | 5111 doesn't sync currently |
| 06:12:02 | Llorean | Abcminiuser: And 6490 is hardcoded. A BAD option. |
| 06:12:15 | Abcminiuser | Ok, I'll work on re-syncing 5111 then |
| 06:12:17 | safetydan | 5111 looks like it has settings support already and has been used by more people. Either way, neither patch looks ready for inclusion. |
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| 06:12:28 | Llorean | safetydan: 6490 is hardcoded. You can't disable it. |
| 06:12:29 | Abcminiuser | I just hope it has a settings entry... |
| 06:12:40 | caitsith_2 | This is an example of what is displaying. 3:18:40 / 7:42 (−−10:-57), for the song that I have been listening to just as long. |
| 06:12:47 | Abcminiuser | You can, by putting in a flag check into the piezo routine |
| 06:12:55 | Llorean | Abcminiuser: But the *patch* doesn't have it. |
| 06:13:06 | Llorean | For a patch to be included, it has to be ready for inclusion, in most cases. |
| 06:13:16 | Llorean | It can't be "I've done part of the job, here, you guys should do the rest when you add it in" |
| 06:13:29 | Llorean | Especially for a minor feature like Piezo. |
| 06:13:35 | safetydan | caitsith_2, you'll want to report that bug to the SPC task on the tracker then |
| 06:13:40 | Llorean | Where it only affects a subgroup of players. |
| 06:13:48 | Abcminiuser | I know, hence why I'm working on it |
| 06:14:00 | toffe | jamesshuang : just find the connector , for the moment, I use this one http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/adet.to?coid=-27312&poid=265291 |
| 06:14:06 | Abcminiuser | If I re-sync 5111 and add in a settings menu item, will it be incorporated? |
| 06:14:22 | Llorean | caitsith_2: As I said to you before, and safetydan said to you again, report it on the entry. Rockbox should never display negative times. The bug is that it shows as negative, not the format the negative time is in. |
| 06:14:32 | toffe | jamesshuang : it is just 10$ but you have to unsold a small circuit |
| 06:14:33 | safetydan | Abcminiuser, maybe. Depends on if one of the other devs is interested. |
| 06:14:51 | safetydan | (I won't do it since I don't have an iPod to test on) |
| 06:14:54 | Llorean | Abcminiuser: If it doesn't come with a performance cost, slow the interface down, or seem buggy when people try it after it's resynced, then probably. |
| 06:15:10 | Abcminiuser | Neat, and it looks like it already has settings entries |
| 06:15:16 | Abcminiuser | Just needs to be re-synced |
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| 06:15:58 | Llorean | You also have to catch the attention of someone who's willing to run over the patch, make sure it seems acceptable from a coding style standpoint, and that the implementation fits into how we'd like it done. |
| 06:16:20 | Llorean | I remember last time piezo discussion came up, the way it was implemented (for example, making sure it clicked once per menu entry moved) was a concern. |
| 06:16:22 | Abcminiuser | *sigh*, perhaps I'll just re-sync and leave it then :P |
| 06:16:32 | EbErT | how much has been done on optimizing rockbox so far? |
| 06:16:46 | safetydan | EbErT, lots. |
| 06:16:52 | EbErT | nah, go for it Abcminiuser |
| 06:16:57 | safetydan | Maybe be more specific. |
| 06:17:05 | EbErT | battery wise? for ipod |
| 06:17:06 | Llorean | Abcminiuser: Well, what do you expect. A patch can't be just 'let in' because it works from a user perspective. It has to fit on a lower level too. |
| 06:17:26 | EbErT | i know it runs a heck of a lot smoother, less hd access |
| 06:17:29 | Abcminiuser | Yes, yes, I understand |
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| 06:17:53 | safetydan | EbErT, ah, now that I don't know much about. There's some work going on to get both cores working which should help batter life. |
| 06:18:05 | Abcminiuser | I'm just used to writing projects by myself, with no burocratic process behind changes ;) |
| 06:18:08 | safetydan | battery even |
| 06:18:17 | EbErT | hm, okies |
| 06:18:25 | midgey | weee |
| 06:18:32 | * | midgey has custom palettes in rockboy |
| 06:18:44 | EbErT | palettes? |
| 06:19:07 | midgey | the colors the make up each sprite and layer |
| 06:19:16 | midgey | s/the/that |
| 06:22:11 | Llorean | midgey: Can you allow user defined sprite and background palettes? My understanding is that they're separate. |
| 06:22:43 | midgey | they're compiled in, right now i have about 15 palettes |
| 06:23:53 | midgey | problem is, there are four layers, and a layer has 4 colors, each containing a red, green, and blue part |
| 06:24:49 | midgey | i thought that was slightly unwieldy to input |
| 06:26:55 | Llorean | I dunno. Preset ones like the GBC had might be nice, but I think people will want to customize. You could just leave a framework in and let someone else come up with a good customization method |
| 06:27:35 | midgey | but thats more work :P |
| 06:28:42 | Llorean | :-P |
| 06:28:48 | Llorean | You don't _have_ to do anything. |
| 06:29:02 | Llorean | I won't tell anyone you chickened out. |
| 06:30:28 | midgey | i prefer: "devoted my time to something else important" |
| 06:30:31 | midgey | or something |
| 06:31:19 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 06:31:22 | Llorean | Fair enough |
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| 06:34:33 | Abcminiuser | Ok, I've got a hunk here that I can't sync :S |
| 06:34:41 | EbErT | you mean something more important... |
| 06:34:57 | Abcminiuser | Settings.c, the original place it's supposed to be inserted to doesn't exist, not does anything similar to it exist |
| 06:35:22 | hcs | caitsith_2: thanks for the bug report, hadn't thought of that |
| 06:35:23 | safetydan | Abcminiuser, try settings_list.c or .h maybe |
| 06:36:00 | midgey | EbErT: rockboy is pivotal part of rockbox! its completely required for operation :P |
| 06:36:03 | Llorean | hcs: What does cutting the wave short cause? |
| 06:36:21 | safetydan | basically the whole way that settings worked change in the last few days so patches will probably need a bit of work to resync |
| 06:36:56 | Abcminiuser | So I see, because the none of the macros exist anymore :P |
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| 06:37:12 | EbErT | anyone have a .gbc i could have real quick? :D |
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| 06:40:11 | EbErT | fine, no soup for u! |
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| 06:41:20 | Abcminiuser | Hmm, think I've got it, S_O is now GS, and it belongs in settings_list |
| 06:41:28 | Abcminiuser | I'll try to build now, wish me luck! |
| 06:41:59 | EbErT | g'luck |
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| 06:49:44 | jamesshuang | wee... so my friend and I already talked through the remote implementation in hardware, and it might be closer than I thought |
| 06:49:48 | * | Llorean cannot find a feed reader that doesn't hate the Rockbox feed. |
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| 06:50:04 | jamesshuang | I already have a microcontroller I can play with to read in the serial inputs |
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| 06:55:18 | Abcminiuser | Oh, an AVR? That's the only kind of microcontroller ;) |
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| 07:00:23 | JdGordon | Abcminiuser: you got your settings_list code working? |
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| 07:02:59 | Abcminiuser | Checking now, just build (Cygwin takes FOREVER!) |
| 07:04:07 | Abcminiuser | Built with warnings, but those are just cast warnings, I can fix them later |
| 07:04:08 | Abcminiuser | I |
| 07:04:17 | Abcminiuser | *I'll chuck it on my iPod now |
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| 07:06:27 | Abcminiuser | Woah, doesn't like that |
| 07:06:36 | Abcminiuser | Keeps looping :P |
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| 07:11:27 | Abcminiuser | Furthermore, why on earth is the settings for it placed in the LCD settings menu!? |
| 07:11:51 | Abcminiuser | New submenu in General Settings seems more logical to me |
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| 07:15:39 | webguest77 | Hi there. I'm using rockbox on an iAudio x5. I seem to have messed up the firmware. It says "Loading Firmware" then powers off with "Result -2". Any ideas how to fix this? |
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| 07:21:57 | Abcminiuser | Web, wrong version? |
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| 07:22:08 | Abcminiuser | Did you make sure to download the correct version for your player? |
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| 07:22:34 | Abcminiuser | Ok, fixed the warnings |
| 07:22:49 | Abcminiuser | Still no good - once it starts clicking it loops and doesn't stop |
| 07:22:56 | Abcminiuser | And the settings doesn't seem to make any difference |
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| 07:24:06 | Abcminiuser | Nor are the settings persistant between resets :P |
| 07:26:25 | webguest77 | Abcminiuser: Thanks for your help, I figured out the problem. I had damaged the VFAT file system by unplugging before unmounting which messed up the .rockbox directory. I fsck.vfat'd it, re-installed, now it works. |
| 07:36:41 | Abcminiuser | Ah screw the whole damn thing, I've no idea what the problem is |
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| 07:43:12 | webguest77 | Can anyone advise me how to use the pcm_record_data functions? My callback seems not to be getting called. |
| 07:46:43 | caitsith_2 | Does the backlight intentionally fade out in less than 2 seconds, if the battery is low? |
| 07:47:08 | Llorean | caitsith_2: Update to a newer build, and see if it still does that |
| 07:49:44 | midkay | hooray, progress! i just finished adapting 7-segment LCD mode for the clock to use all bitmaps.. |
| 07:49:56 | caitsith_2 | Currently don't have a compiler setup, and since the spc patch is not commited yet, I have to wait for hcs to build a newer build. I am using his patch 22, with SVN 2007/01/28. |
| 07:50:07 | Abcminiuser | Right, I think I understand how the piezo code works now |
| 07:50:10 | caitsith_2 | Ipod video port. |
| 07:50:24 | Llorean | caitsith_2: Well, you can *try* it with an official build to see if it still does it. |
| 07:50:39 | Llorean | You don't need the SPC patch to see if the backlight works in what way with low battery. |
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| 07:57:30 | Abcminiuser | What's the debug print function for rockbox? I need to print text to the LCD to see what state the thread is in |
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| 07:59:12 | caitsith_2 | I guess I will have to wait till next time battery is low to check for that behaviour. My battery just went dead. |
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| 08:00:32 | webguest77 | Does anyone know anything about pcm_record_data? Do I have to call it continuously or just once to start? |
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| 08:06:21 | Llorean | webguest77: Generally speaking the IRC channel is more regarding discussion. If you have a question that may require specific knowledge from one or two specific people, a post to the developers mailing list is more likely to be successful |
| 08:08:03 | webguest77 | OK, thanks! |
| 08:10:57 | webguest77 | A simpler question - if I call yield() in a plugin will Rockbox automatically resume my thread exactly where it left off later? E.g. if I have a loop while(1) { dostuff(); rb->yield(); domorestuff; } will that work? |
| 08:11:15 | JdGordon | Abcminiuser: show me your patch if you want a hand with the settings bit |
| 08:11:54 | Mikachu | webguest77: yes |
| 08:12:00 | Abcminiuser | JD: I want to fix up the better patch rather than the hard-coded one |
| 08:12:19 | Abcminiuser | I can't figure it out tho - it beeps, but loops forever |
| 08:12:26 | webguest77 | Mikachu: Hm, ok, thanks. |
| 08:12:53 | Mikachu | just like in a real os :) |
| 08:13:13 | webguest77 | Is the proper place for my while(1) loop plugin_start? |
| 08:14:00 | midkay | yeah. |
| 08:14:16 | midkay | after the few 'standard' plugin setup calls. |
| 08:14:18 | JdGordon | Abcminiuser: is it looping because of the settings, or something else in your patch? |
| 08:14:43 | Abcminiuser | I can't figure that out :S |
| 08:14:51 | JdGordon | :) |
| 08:14:58 | Abcminiuser | Must be something in the calling, since the code looks fine |
| 08:15:04 | Abcminiuser | Try yourself - FS5111 |
| 08:15:46 | webguest77 | Do I have to use rb_create_thread for proper scheduling with yield()? |
| 08:15:52 | Abcminiuser | Just cast to intptr_t for the three lines that give warnings |
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| 08:16:12 | Abcminiuser | Anyway, I'm giving up |
| 08:19:23 | Mikachu | webguest77: no |
| 08:20:33 | webguest77 | Ah, really? OK. I'm using metronome.c as the simplest plugin to base my plugin off of. |
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| 08:20:57 | webguest77 | metronome.c has all its processing in a while(1) loop in plugin_start |
| 08:20:57 | | Part kaaloo |
| 08:21:16 | webguest77 | If I call yield() in that situation, Rockbox will return to the middle of my loop later? |
| 08:22:25 | webguest77 | I'm asking because yield() seems to abort my loop, but I'm not sure if I have other bugs that might be causing that. |
| 08:27:59 | webguest77 | sorry, forget that, yield() is working, it's the pcm_record_data that's seems to be acting strangely. |
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| 08:30:44 | Abcminiuser | JD, still there? |
| 08:30:46 | webguest15 | i have an iriver iHP140 with rockbox installed (jan 8, 2007 version). all was running smoothly, until the device hung today. i'm unable to switch it off. anyone able to help? |
| 08:32:09 | Llorean | webguest15: Use the reset pinhole in the bottom. |
| 08:32:37 | webguest15 | aha! i'll give it a go |
| 08:33:26 | webguest15 | it worked - thanks!! |
| 08:34:07 | Llorean | that's what it's there for. :) |
| 08:34:53 | webguest15 | i didn't notice it before - i was planning to let the battery just run down. reset is more elgant :) |
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| 08:41:59 | webguest77 | Ah.... pcm_record_data(), then while(1) { pcm_record_more() } seems to be the sequence |
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| 08:50:39 | decayedcell | just installed Rockbox on a friend's 4G Greyscale |
| 08:50:50 | decayedcell | works great :p, much faster than my 5.5G |
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| 08:58:23 | Abcminiuser | Decay, are you using the no frequency scaling build? |
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| 08:59:44 | sneakums | webguest77: am i missing something, or will that loop never terminate? |
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| 09:01:27 | safetydan | decayedcell, what's your interest in the langv2 patch? |
| 09:03:11 | decayedcell | safetydan just to see if it works |
| 09:03:42 | decayedcell | i just like checking out patches in the flyspray, patching my rockbox then trying them out |
| 09:04:05 | safetydan | decayedcell, okay, it's basically that the patch isn't really ready for prime time or non-dev use |
| 09:04:27 | Abcminiuser | Decayed, make sure to turn off frequency scaling |
| 09:04:34 | Abcminiuser | Otherwise it'll freeze occasionally |
| 09:04:41 | decayedcell | on the 4G? |
| 09:04:46 | Abcminiuser | Yep |
| 09:04:53 | decayedcell | Abcminiuser i didn't apply the scaling patch |
| 09:05:06 | decayedcell | safetydan okay then, but if you have anything else that needs testing i'll be happy to do it |
| 09:05:33 | Abcminiuser | It's in firmware\export\config-ipod4g.h |
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| 09:05:48 | Abcminiuser | Comment out the define for freq-scaling and rebuild |
| 09:06:24 | decayedcell | ah okay then I didn't realise thanks |
| 09:07:24 | decayedcell | Abcminiuser do I do this for the 4G Color as well |
| 09:07:41 | decayedcell | I have a friend who wants Rockbox on his 4G Color |
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| 09:10:38 | webguest77 | sneakums: you are right, I have an extra button check in the main loop to see if the stop button is pressed |
| 09:11:24 | webguest77 | however writing the incoming sound data to a disk file during the pcm recording callback seems to freeze my machine, hmmm.... |
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| 09:16:04 | linuxstb__ | webguest77: IIUC, the pcm recording callback is called from an interrupt. You should do very little in that callback - just return a pointer to a buffer. The actual processing of the that data should be done elsewhere in your plugin. |
| 09:17:32 | jimboy23 | hey i have a question for the developers: is there any chance of development of rockbox for the toshiba gigabeat s series, and is there anything a non-programmer can do to help? |
| 09:18:01 | Llorean | jimboy23: Maybe, and not really at the moment. |
| 09:18:19 | decayedcell | linuxstb_: is the FS5226 icode patch obselete or in SVN already? |
| 09:18:29 | linuxstb__ | jimboy23: Development happens by users with those devices who decide to make it happen - Rockbox isn't ported on request. |
| 09:19:08 | webguest77 | linuxstb_: Thanks for the tip, will try to rework my plugin that way |
| 09:20:04 | linuxstb__ | decayedcell: It's just a forgotten experiment. |
| 09:21:03 | decayedcell | linuxstb_: could you explain why removing icode can provide a speedup |
| 09:21:34 | Mikachu | it doesn't? |
| 09:21:41 | jimboy23 | hmmm, so by Llorean's comment i take it there isnt much interest at the moment? i was hoping to rid myself of some of the problems of the native firmware. is there a specific kind of programming necessary to know for the development of the firmware? |
| 09:21:46 | Mikachu | gaining boost means it's slower |
| 09:22:23 | Overand | jimboy23: *potentially* you could give a player to someone working on a port with similar hardware |
| 09:22:27 | Overand | or you could learn to code |
| 09:23:18 | Bagder | jimboy23: there is much interest, but clearly not enough for people to actyally start hacking on it |
| 09:23:20 | Llorean | jimboy23: Rockbox is in C. Hardware knowledge is helpful in figuring out how bits of the device work together. There will need to be someone clever enough to get the processor to run unofficial code. And assembly code of the right architecture for optimizing and low level stuff in many cases. |
| 09:25:25 | jimboy23 | overand: couldnt part with my player just yet |
| 09:26:00 | jimboy23 | Llorean: ahh, i guess thats beyond my one semester of java programming class... |
| 09:26:05 | jimboy23 | lol |
| 09:26:11 | linuxstb__ | decayedcell: One problem on the ipods is the current use of long calls everywhere. Removing code from IRAM means we can remove the use of long calls, which will give us both a speed and code-size improvement, but that's offset by the slowdown caused by removing the code from IRAM. We should probably find a different way to remove the long-calls. |
| 09:28:57 | amiconn | linuxstb__: *all* functions are long called on arm atm afaik |
| 09:29:21 | Mikachu | does the compiler know which function calls changes sections or only the linker? |
| 09:29:28 | * | Mikachu guesses only the linker |
| 09:30:21 | Bagder | I guess that's part of the problem |
| 09:30:30 | amiconn | We compile with -ffunction-sections which makes all function calls cross sections |
| 09:31:01 | dan_a | linuxstb__: I thought that you didn't think that moving code out of IRAM would hurt the PP502X targets? |
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| 09:33:48 | jimboy23 | so does development actually have to be done with the actual hardware, or can it all be done on some kinda of virtual mp3 player on the computer used to program/ |
| 09:34:33 | Llorean | jimboy23: The player is necessary for the most significant parts of porting. |
| 09:34:57 | jimboy23 | ahh, i see |
| 09:35:59 | Bagder | jimboy23: for all "high level" stuff we have simulators and all |
| 09:36:19 | caitsith_2 | Not been able to reproduce the light dimming in less than 2 seconds, with latest build. (although battery may not be quite low enough for it.) |
| 09:36:23 | Bagder | porting in this sense is writing the hw-specific adjustments |
| 09:36:35 | linuxstb__ | dan_a: That's why I wrote that patch. At the time, Rockbox had 74% boost with CVS Rockbox (for my test MP3) and 75% with all code removed from IRAM and long-calls removed. |
| 09:36:38 | caitsith_2 | Actually, battery just died. |
| 09:36:41 | Llorean | caitsith_2: Well, it's not supposed to be there any more. As the changelog says. |
| 09:37:47 | caitsith_2 | And hcs just built spc patch 24, into latest svn build. |
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| 09:38:58 | decayedcell | what text editors do you guys use to make patches |
| 09:39:28 | Mikachu | hopefully nobody does that |
| 09:39:29 | scorche | decayedcell: we use svn to make patches... |
| 09:39:40 | jimboy23 | well, im going to try and read up on assembly and see what i can do. maybe in a few months ill understand enough to help. other than that, im going to bed. goodnight all and thanks for answering my questions! |
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| 09:39:49 | decayedcell | sorry as in modify the code |
| 09:39:57 | Bagder | emacs! |
| 09:39:58 | safetydan | decayedcell, people use a variety of systems |
| 09:39:59 | decayedcell | then make a diff |
| 09:39:59 | safetydan | vi |
| 09:40:00 | Mikachu | vim! |
| 09:40:07 | safetydan | gedit |
| 09:40:09 | * | scorche was waiting for Bagder to say that |
| 09:40:10 | safetydan | and so forth |
| 09:40:21 | Bagder | the standard editor wars comments apply |
| 09:40:32 | * | linuxstb__ wonders if we should call them diffs instead of patches - to differentiate them from the binary patches used by closed-source software. |
| 09:40:45 | Bagder | linuxstb__: not at all a bad idea |
| 09:40:49 | decayedcell | okay then who is editing on windows here |
| 09:41:00 | Bagder | what's that? |
| 09:41:03 | Bagder | :-P |
| 09:41:06 | gook | Hi. Could someone please commit the FS task 5967 (nimbus-19 font)? I when doing a clean RB install I deleted it. And it's not packaged in the official font pack. There haven't been any comments since some time hence I assume the font is rather stable. |
| 09:41:07 | Llorean | I'd go so far as to say linuxstb__'s idea is a really really good one, considering the confusion that exists. |
| 09:41:09 | scorche | decayedcell: i edit on both |
| 09:41:26 | decayedcell | scorche what do you use on windows / linux? |
| 09:41:28 | safetydan | decayedcell, there's vim for windows, but you probably won't like that |
| 09:41:33 | caitsith_2 | Would actually have been nice to have low battery backlight timeout a custom option. |
| 09:41:47 | Bagder | gook: I'll have a look |
| 09:41:58 | Mikachu | caitsith_2: if you want longer battery life, make the timeout shorter always |
| 09:42:23 | scorche | decayedcell: i usually use vi or vim on linux, and source insight on windows....notepad2 as a text editor on windoww |
| 09:42:38 | Llorean | decayedcell: You might try ConTEXT as just a straight editor. |
| 09:42:51 | Mikachu | or vim or emacs |
| 09:43:03 | gook | And on the related note: is there a page (wiki?) with samples of RB fonts? I've seen the rasher's page but haven't found *RB* fonts there. |
| 09:44:12 | Llorean | gook: I believe there are maps for most of the Rockbox fonts here: rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/ |
| 09:46:06 | Bagder | nimbus-19 committed |
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| 09:46:47 | gook | Llorean: hey, that's it! Thanks! |
| 09:46:55 | * | bluebrother likes gvim on windows |
| 09:49:12 | Mikachu | does anyone agree or disagree with this patch to mandelbrot? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4719 |
| 09:50:49 | Llorean | Mikachu: Does it keep the current iteration setting, or the 'max' as the name suggests? |
| 09:51:41 | Mikachu | in svn, if you lower the iter and zoom, the iter is reset, with the patch it isn't |
| 09:51:49 | Mikachu | the variable name in the code is max_iter |
| 09:51:54 | Mikachu | i hope that clears it up :) |
| 09:52:04 | Llorean | Then I like the patch |
| 09:52:23 | Llorean | I've had to wait through several repeat zooms before and it is an irritation. |
| 09:52:36 | Mikachu | you browse fractals often? :) |
| 09:53:08 | Llorean | Just barely enough to be irritated by the way it works right now. :) |
| 09:53:12 | Mikachu | oops, zoomed in too far and it freaked out |
| 09:53:15 | Llorean | Hah |
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| 09:54:10 | bluebrother | the "manual" and "mailing lists" page still has the old side menu |
| 09:55:07 | Mikachu | now to select someone to poke for applying it to svn, maybe Bagder? |
| 09:55:42 | Llorean | I definitely think it makes the fractal less irritating. Especially on targets where it's really easy to zoom several times in one go. |
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| 10:38:39 | * | LinusN found a nice longname bug in fat.c |
| 10:39:17 | * | petur hopes it is related to the label bug |
| 10:39:19 | LinusN | if a name spans 3 sectors, it will be messed up |
| 10:39:44 | amiconn | decayedcell: I do all my rockbox coding on windows, and I use ConTEXT |
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| 10:39:58 | webguest16 | howdy |
| 10:40:24 | LinusN | it will be fixed with the upcoming ipod 80gb fixes |
| 10:40:45 | webguest16 | anybody here using the toshiba gigabeat port ? |
| 10:41:29 | Llorean | webguest16: Did you have a specific question? |
| 10:41:56 | XavierGr | decayedcell: also on windows a very good and light editor is Notepad2 |
| 10:44:24 | hachi | hurrr, did you just say 80gb fixes? as in... they got it working somehow? |
| 10:44:48 | Llorean | hachi: It's not working *yet* |
| 10:44:56 | markun | webguest16: yes, some people in here use it |
| 10:45:02 | Llorean | But it's now more or less a matter of time, I believe. |
| 10:45:13 | hachi | Llorean: bleh... forums were supposed to be emailing me on updates... but it forgot about me again |
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| 10:45:37 | decayedcell | XavierGr yeah i'm using it atm pretty cool |
| 10:46:14 | Llorean | hachi: The forum emailing is very unreliable. |
| 10:46:31 | LinusN | hachi: i am working on the FAT32 driver for the 80GB |
| 10:47:01 | hachi | LinusN: how much cursing is involved? and do you have enough money for booze when you finish? |
| 10:47:27 | LinusN | not much cursing at all, actually |
| 10:47:36 | LinusN | as for money, not a cent :-) |
| 10:47:59 | hachi | what country are you in? more importantly, is it possible to wire you money? |
| 10:48:37 | LinusN | you can donate to the Rockbox project with paypal |
| 10:49:01 | LinusN | but in my case, money won't help me do it faster, unfortunately |
| 10:49:27 | hachi | I'm not out to con you... I'm out to thank you for what effort has been applied so far |
| 10:49:57 | LinusN | then i suggest you donate to the project, it will indirectly support me |
| 10:50:07 | hachi | levering engineers using the promise of money hardly ever works... I'm pretty sure we're a breed of apathy machines |
| 10:50:12 | hachi | :) |
| 10:50:17 | LinusN | hehe |
| 10:50:45 | LinusN | money works, in sufficient amounts |
| 10:50:54 | * | petur wishes it were possible to donate time |
| 10:51:18 | LinusN | you basically have to top my regular salary |
| 10:51:27 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 10:51:35 | decayedcell | i've noticed in the source code that for the nano, video, mini 2G backlight fading via PWM is possible - however on other ipod targets such as the 4g color there is no define - is this because those models don't have a PWM or we don't know the hardware registers to control it on those targets |
| 10:52:44 | webguest77 | I have my main while(1) {} plugin loop in plugin_start(). After I call yield() in my plugin, control only returns to my loop after a button is pressed. Is this normal? |
| 10:53:01 | Mikachu | decayedcell: pwm isn't a hardware thing |
| 10:53:06 | linuxstb__ | decayedcell: At least on my colour, the fade-in happens already - i.e. the hardware does it. |
| 10:53:21 | linuxstb__ | Sorry, not fade-in, but fade-out. |
| 10:53:46 | Topic | "enjoy the new leftside menu design" by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 10:53:54 | Mikachu | but the stock firmware on nano does better pwm than rockbox :) |
| 10:54:03 | linuxstb__ | In fact, fade-in seems to happen as well, but much faster than the fade-out. |
| 10:54:20 | LinusN | webguest77: sounds like you have a button_get call somewhere |
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| 10:54:29 | decayedcell | linuxstb_ so its not possible to manually adjust the brightness for those targets? |
| 10:54:46 | linuxstb__ | decayedcell: I don't think anyone has investigated. |
| 10:55:01 | markun | Bagder: thanks |
| 10:55:41 | petur | Bagder: goodie |
| 10:55:47 | webguest77 | LinusN: I have button = pluginlib_getaction(rb,TIMEOUT_BLOCK, plugin_contexts,PLA_ARRAY_COUNT); would that cause this behavior? |
| 10:55:51 | hachi | LinusN: did your ipod get damaged at all with your logic probing? |
| 10:56:16 | LinusN | hachi: i didn't do any probing |
| 10:56:25 | hachi | also, do you mean you were actually using one of those tektronix/HP logic analyzers... okay nevermind :) |
| 10:56:33 | LinusN | webguest77: yes, TIMEOUT_BLOCK is the problem |
| 10:57:07 | LinusN | hachi: i have a "cheap" USB 16-channel logic analyser |
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| 10:57:28 | hachi | I'd love to hear about it |
| 10:57:31 | hachi | :) |
| 10:57:32 | webguest77 | LinusN: Aha. Thanks. I'll search for TIMEOUT_BLOCK, may be back here with some questions if I can't figure it out :-) |
| 10:57:43 | hachi | *googles* |
| 10:57:53 | petur | Bagder: one remark: the daily/current build thing stays confusing. From the releases page there's a link to daily builds but from the left side just a link to current builds |
| 10:58:19 | Bagder | yes, it needs some further cleaning up |
| 10:58:33 | Bagder | also the build.rockbox.org pages still uses the wrong menu |
| 10:58:57 | Mikachu | i don't see any menu there |
| 10:59:09 | Bagder | Mikachu: click a date |
| 10:59:12 | LinusN | hachi: it's a PKLA-1000, http://www.acute.com.tw/indexeng.htm |
| 10:59:18 | Mikachu | o |
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| 11:00:02 | hachi | nice, arigatou gozaimasu |
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| 11:05:50 | Darkrift | hello |
| 11:07:06 | webguest16 | on the gigabeat port which button saves changes when using the virtual keyboard ?? |
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| 11:08:19 | Darkrift | anyone here with ipod video knowledge? |
| 11:08:57 | LinusN | Darkrift: it's much easier to just ask a question instead of trying to find out beforehand who might know the answer |
| 11:08:59 | webguest77 | When I call pluginlib_getaction with TIMEOUT_BLOCK, my main loop in plugin_start() pauses after yield() until a button is pressed. When I call pluginlib_getaction with TIMEOUT_NOBLOCK, my callback function in pcm_record_data is not called. Is there any reason that pluginlib_getaction with TIMEOUT_NOBLOCK would stop pcm_record_data callbacks from getting called? |
| 11:09:48 | markun | webguest77: POWER I think |
| 11:10:09 | Darkrift | i was more or less trying to find out of anyone was awake |
| 11:10:10 | Darkrift | lol |
| 11:10:19 | Bagder | no, we all sleep |
| 11:10:23 | webguest77 | markun: I'm not sure I understand. What do you mean by POWER? |
| 11:10:27 | Darkrift | anyways, i just got a used ipod video 30g, and put rockbox on it |
| 11:10:38 | Darkrift | what all video types does it support? |
| 11:10:44 | markun | webguest77: the upper button on the right side |
| 11:10:58 | LinusN | webguest77: no, there is no reason why your callbacks would stop, but you must handle timeouts in your action handling code |
| 11:11:13 | LinusN | markun: you are talking to the wrong webguest |
| 11:11:13 | markun | webguest77: ah, that was for webguest16 :) |
| 11:11:21 | markun | webguest16: so, press POWER ;) |
| 11:11:30 | markun | LinusN: they look all the same to me :) |
| 11:11:41 | decayedcell | Darkrift only mpeg on rockbox |
| 11:11:41 | markun | Why don't they choose a normal nick.. |
| 11:11:43 | webguest16 | markun, thank you very much. The port is fantastic |
| 11:11:48 | Darkrift | hrmmm |
| 11:11:50 | Darkrift | isnt xvid mpeg? |
| 11:11:56 | markun | webguest16: you're welcome :) |
| 11:11:57 | webguest77 | LinusN: I'm not sure what you mean by "handle timeouts". Timeouts of what? |
| 11:12:00 | Darkrift | does it have to have a mpg extension too? |
| 11:12:07 | markun | Darkrift: yes, only MPEG1/2 |
| 11:12:10 | Llorean | Darkrift: MPEG-1/2, XviD is MPEG-4 |
| 11:12:11 | webguest16 | only run it for a day but already mightily impressed with it |
| 11:12:11 | Bagder | Darkrift: see PluginMpegplayer wiki page |
| 11:12:19 | Darkrift | ty :) |
| 11:12:19 | LinusN | Darkrift: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 11:12:24 | Darkrift | ive read like 300 pages on this soo far |
| 11:12:31 | Darkrift | was running in circles, thx for the help |
| 11:13:05 | LinusN | webguest77: setting a timeout other than _BLOCK will make the plugin_getaction() call return even when no button is pressed |
| 11:13:18 | Darkrift | every forum i find says it plays xvid, but the device itself wont |
| 11:13:22 | Darkrift | so i was very confused |
| 11:13:38 | Darkrift | does the standard firmware play xvid? |
| 11:13:49 | webguest77 | LinusN: Right. I'm just trying to make a simple audio recording plugin, with buttons for record, stop record, and play. |
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| 11:14:13 | decayedcell | Darkrift only MPEG1/2 |
| 11:14:19 | decayedcell | Xvid is MPEG4 |
| 11:14:22 | Darkrift | yeah |
| 11:14:28 | webguest77 | LinusN: The weird thing is really just changing that _BLOCK to _NOBLOCK causes my recording callback (which stuffs data into a buffer to later be written by the main loop) not to be called. |
| 11:14:30 | Darkrift | so thats the orig firmware AND rockbox? |
| 11:14:45 | decayedcell | if you use the original firmware that plays MPEG4 and H.264 |
| 11:14:50 | Darkrift | oh |
| 11:14:52 | decayedcell | Rockbox only plays MPEG1/2 |
| 11:14:55 | Bagder | Darkrift: we don't normally discuss details of the original firmwares here, we talk rockbox |
| 11:15:14 | LinusN | webguest77: it will return ACTION_NONE, and you will have to call plugin_getaction() again |
| 11:15:19 | markun | too many original firmwares to talk about |
| 11:15:23 | LinusN | the timeout is in ticks |
| 11:15:38 | Darkrift | i understand but i just had 4 ppl tell me that the firmware we are allowed to talk about wont help me |
| 11:15:48 | webguest77 | LinusN: Do I have to call anything special to make enable my callbacks to be called, or is rb->yield() enough? |
| 11:16:00 | Bagder | Darkrift: then go ask apple about their firmware |
| 11:16:08 | Darkrift | my question was more along the lines of "do i have to switch over to play xvid or can i do everything form rockbox" |
| 11:16:20 | LinusN | webguest77: use a timeout of, for example HZ, then you won't need a yield |
| 11:16:21 | Darkrift | i wasnt trying to start a apple firmware discussion |
| 11:16:40 | Llorean | Darkrift: If 4 people told you Rockbox won't play XVID it's a clue that it won't. |
| 11:16:48 | Bagder | rockbox is not really superb in the video playing department (yet) |
| 11:16:57 | webguest77 | LinusN: I don't need a yield to allow audio data to come back in? |
| 11:17:00 | LinusN | webguest77: pluginlib_getaction(rb,HZ, ....) |
| 11:17:07 | Darkrift | omfg, you guys are asswads, im asking simple questions and you guys have attitudes leaking out your asses |
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| 11:17:17 | LinusN | webguest16: yes, but using a timeout will make it yield in plugin_getaction() |
| 11:17:24 | LinusN | sorry, that was for webguest77 |
| 11:17:33 | webguest77 | LinusN: I'm also writing the data to a file as it's being recorded. I don't need yield() after rb->write()? |
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| 11:17:45 | LinusN | no you don't |
| 11:17:53 | Bagder | perhaps we should leave the default nick field empty in the cgi::irc web page... |
| 11:18:07 | LinusN | webguest77: but it sounds like you need multiple threads |
| 11:18:12 | Llorean | It might be helpful with the increased traffic we're getting these days. |
| 11:18:14 | markun | Bagder: good idea |
| 11:18:20 | webguest77 | LinusN: Hmmmm. OK thanks for the information, I'll play with it some more. |
| 11:18:20 | zefie | lol Bagder |
| 11:18:32 | Bagder | having this huge amount of webguests makes conversations confusing |
| 11:18:47 | zefie | 2 isnt huge but point taken |
| 11:18:48 | Bagder | not huge exactly right now perhaps |
| 11:18:49 | Mikachu | try nickcolor.pl |
| 11:18:57 | JdGordon | ... there are only 2 in the channel atm.. |
| 11:19:00 | Bagder | I don't like colored nicks |
| 11:19:10 | LinusN | Bagder: "huge" being 2 at the moment :-) |
| 11:19:15 | Llorean | Even with colored nicks, it's a hassle using nick completion too. |
| 11:19:16 | Bagder | a huge 2! |
| 11:19:34 | Mikachu | LinusN: i had a computer lab in a math course that claimed 13 could be regarded as infinity :) |
| 11:19:44 | zefie | man i had forgotten how slow usb1 is |
| 11:19:44 | LinusN | 1, 2, many |
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| 11:20:19 | Mikachu | lim(2->infinity, webguests) |
| 11:21:17 | fejfighter | Mikachu: i didnt want to have to think about maths until at least maths when school goes back :P |
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| 11:23:33 | amiconn | LinusN: How cheap is "cheap"? |
| 11:23:52 | LinusN | 1100EU when i bought it |
| 11:23:53 | * | amiconn thinks he should get himself a logic analyser |
| 11:28:55 | XavierGr | 1100 eu is cheap?? Then again, I really don't know about logic analyser prices |
| 11:31:02 | LinusN | 1100EU is unfortunately in the cheap range |
| 11:31:36 | LinusN | they are probably cheaper now, but logic analyzers often cost quite a lot |
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| 11:35:51 | amiconn | LinusN: Is this an 1116, 1216 or 1616? |
| 11:36:12 | * | amiconn found this: http://www.labequipment.nu/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=4&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1 |
| 11:39:54 | LinusN | amiconn: pkla1616 |
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| 11:44:31 | decayedcell | hmm DarkDrift sure has a short temper :D |
| 11:45:12 | LinusN | indeed |
| 11:46:16 | markun | Yes, I wonder why he was so pissed off |
| 11:46:32 | markun | I thought the answers to his question were pretty clear |
| 11:47:07 | decayedcell | they were very very clear |
| 11:47:23 | decayedcell | <Llorean> Darkrift: If 4 people told you Rockbox won't play XVID it's a clue that it won't. - I think that ticked him off |
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| 11:48:13 | decayedcell | my question was more along the lines of "do i have to switch over to play xvid or can i do everything form rockbox" - he probably should have asked that first |
| 11:49:09 | markun | decayedcell: but he assumes you can play xvid encoded video with the apple firmware, which it not possibile, right? |
| 11:50:18 | decayedcell | markun as far as I know it is |
| 11:50:30 | decayedcell | markun as long as it is encoded correctly |
| 11:50:43 | markun | aha |
| 11:50:55 | decayedcell | the ipod doesn't fully support all the features of H.264 either |
| 11:52:10 | decayedcell | however, if his question was if the apple firmware could play Xvid MPEG4, then he should have asked the guys at apple, like Bagder pointed out xd |
| 11:53:18 | decayedcell | Bagder does the Xvid decoder require an FPU |
| 11:54:47 | Llorean | decayedcell: Video on the 5G in the retail firmware makes use of another processor, manufactured by Broadcom, that we know very little about. |
| 11:55:53 | decayedcell | what about on the targets that don't have such a chip, would you need to port an FPUless mpeg4 decoder or something |
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| 11:56:05 | markun | decayedcell: very few video decoders use floats afaik |
| 11:56:36 | markun | decayedcell: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2848 |
| 11:58:19 | amiconn | JdGordon: around? |
| 11:58:26 | JdGordon | hey |
| 11:59:28 | amiconn | Did you see my remark regarding id3 tag priority: (and possibly other bool settings) in the log? |
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| 12:00:02 | amiconn | settings_list has the correct options "v2-v1,v1-v2", but the settings writer and reader don't use it for booleans |
| 12:01:08 | decayedcell | wow thats a very old FS entry :P |
| 12:01:29 | amiconn | Also, using strtok_r in the reader might cause problems, as it changes the string it searches |
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| 12:02:03 | JdGordon_ | sorry amiconn, comp crashed |
| 12:03:55 | JdGordon_ | amiconn: strtok_r was taken out wasnt it? |
| 12:04:05 | JdGordon_ | ill fix that other problem |
| 12:04:14 | JdGordon_ | well... investigate it anyway :p |
| 12:05:33 | JdGordon_ | strtok_r should be safe in the reader.... the buffer it changes is the local buffer for the file read.. |
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| 12:06:19 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe I didn't check thoroughly |
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| 12:06:47 | amiconn | As for the bool settings: lines 327 and 775 in settings.c. They always use on/off instead of what is in the list |
| 12:07:48 | JdGordon_ | yeah, fixing now |
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| 12:08:08 | JdGordon_ | removing the off_on var and using NULL for those settings |
| 12:08:43 | amiconn | They should use the correct strings.... |
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| 12:10:32 | decayedcell | barrywardell are you here |
| 12:11:06 | barrywardell | yes |
| 12:12:00 | JdGordon_ | amiconn: 90% of the bool settings are "off,on" so it would be faster having the current code used for that and bool setting with other text treated as a special case |
| 12:12:33 | decayedcell | barrywardell i just tested your bootloader patch on a 4G Greyscale |
| 12:13:10 | decayedcell | it doesn't boot into the apple firmware, even though i've restored the ipod, installed a new bootloader and new rockbox |
| 12:13:51 | barrywardell | is that with SVN? i committed the patch last night |
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| 12:14:14 | decayedcell | yes this is with latest SVN |
| 12:15:15 | barrywardell | does it say "Loading original firmware..." when you have hold on/hold menu? |
| 12:15:34 | amiconn | JdGordon_: Perhaps. I was thinking of changing the position search into a separate function |
| 12:15:46 | decayedcell | tested it with the hold switch on hold, haven't tested press menu I'll try that now |
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| 12:16:36 | JdGordon_ | amiconn: well, the way ive done it for the bool doesnt really need the complexity that the int settings do.. ill pastebin how i've done it.. (im pretty sure it would work) |
| 12:16:38 | decayedcell | nope no cigar... it just reboots itself |
| 12:17:20 | JdGordon_ | amiconn: http://rafb.net/p/MtIFeA31.html I dont think there would be much gains making a genereic function to search the cfg_vals variable |
| 12:17:40 | barrywardell | decayedcell: what does it say on the screen? |
| 12:18:34 | JdGordon_ | although, im not sure the int settings are done nicely now anyway |
| 12:18:38 | decayedcell | barrywardell: Loading original firmware... |
| 12:18:59 | decayedcell | perhaps I just have a screwed up rockbox source again, now I'm having trouble compiling |
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| 12:20:41 | barrywardell | does it say anything after that? |
| 12:20:49 | decayedcell | it works correctly on my 5.5G video though |
| 12:21:12 | decayedcell | barrywardell: um I'm pretty sure the backlight turns off and then it just resets itself, i'll try again |
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| 12:23:59 | barrywardell | decayedcell: do you have an apple_os.ipod file either in the root or in .rockbox? |
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| 12:24:20 | decayedcell | barrywardell no its just rockbox |
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| 12:31:24 | barrywardell | decayedcell_: what method did you use for installing the bootloader? does an old bootloader work? |
| 12:32:02 | decayedcell_ | i used ipodpatcher 0.5 |
| 12:32:41 | decayedcell_ | ipodpatcher 1 -a bootloader-ipod4g.ipod - i've been having issues with patches and Cygwin lately |
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| 12:33:10 | decayedcell_ | so I'm downloading yet another copy of the rockbox source - i'll recompile everything again |
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| 12:43:53 | n1s | Well, woohoo 1000 open tasks :-D .... |
| 12:44:27 | LinusN | celebration time! |
| 12:46:46 | * | linuxstb counts 129 people in this channel - only 8 tasks each... |
| 12:46:47 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1720 surely replaygain/rva tags are better for that sort of thing? |
| 12:47:06 | * | scorche wonders how logbot will complete them |
| 12:47:15 | Mikachu | and duplicate here http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1721 |
| 12:47:22 | Mikachu | down to 998 |
| 12:47:24 | Mikachu | :P |
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| 12:47:30 | linuxstb | scorche: Probably faster than some "real" people |
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| 12:48:17 | barrywardell | decayedcell_: i just sent you a compiled version with an added debug message. can you test please? |
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| 12:49:06 | scorche | true... |
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| 12:49:26 | decayedcell_ | barrywardell sure i've also got the fresh rockbox chugging away |
| 12:49:57 | decayedcell_ | oh just the bootloader |
| 12:49:58 | decayedcell_ | even easier |
| 12:50:20 | markun | Mikachu: what about this one? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1943 |
| 12:50:21 | Mikachu | i think you can just close this bug http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5162 button_status shouldn't be returning scrolls, it would be sort of an odd state anyway |
| 12:51:24 | Mikachu | markun: i dunno, maybe one could modify the gain frame in the mp3 blocks before sending it to the decoder |
| 12:51:31 | Mikachu | it says it's already working for swcodec |
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| 12:54:04 | decayedcell_ | barrywardell: retailOS found in RAM |
| 12:55:06 | linuxstb | decayedcell_: Can you try installing using the old installation method (i.e. ipod_fw) instead of ipodpatcher -a ? |
| 12:55:43 | decayedcell_ | can you link me to the instructions |
| 12:55:51 | linuxstb | The IpodInstallation wiki page. |
| 12:56:20 | linuxstb | You'll need the bootloader/bootloader.bin (in your bootloader build directory) file instead of the bootloader-ipod???.ipod version. |
| 12:56:21 | barrywardell | decayedcell_: ok. and another one sent. can you test please? |
| 12:57:35 | JdGordon | amiconn: ok, using the utility function makes it cleaner (the read) so It may as well be used for bool aso, do you wanna see the diff? or should i just comit? |
| 12:57:45 | decayedcell_ | linuxstb i'll try barry's first |
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| 12:59:02 | decayedcell_ | barrywardell - same thing, RetailOS found in RAM |
| 12:59:24 | decayedcell_ | linuxstb: I suppose I should do -d first then use the old bootloader? |
| 12:59:59 | decayedcell_ | barrywardell: although this time it paused then rebooted |
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| 13:00:57 | linuxstb | decayedcell_: No - restore your original firmware partition. |
| 13:02:12 | barrywardell | decayedcell_: I also sent you a version without my changes. |
| 13:02:17 | barrywardell | gotta go now. check back later |
| 13:03:31 | decayedcell_ | same bbl |
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| 13:05:36 | Mikachu | 534 of the 1000 tasks are feature requests |
| 13:06:15 | JdGordon | all requests older than 1 year should be closed |
| 13:06:26 | JdGordon | probably the same with most patches |
| 13:06:44 | Mikachu | heh, task 8 is still open |
| 13:06:56 | markun | JdGordon: don't know about that |
| 13:07:02 | Bagder | JdGordon: the problem with that is that the patch authors get offended |
| 13:07:10 | markun | JdGordon: why not look at them and then decide if they can be closed? |
| 13:07:17 | Mikachu | Bagder: feature requests usually don't have patch authors |
| 13:07:29 | Bagder | "<JdGordon> probably the same with most patches" |
| 13:07:29 | Mikachu | (not necessarily agreeing with JdGordon though) |
| 13:07:33 | Mikachu | a |
| 13:07:35 | Mikachu | <- blind |
| 13:07:42 | linuxstb | Why delete old feature requests? Old requests are just as valid as new ones IMO. |
| 13:07:45 | JdGordon | wow! im seeing lots of evil red :p |
| 13:07:56 | * | JdGordon takes back what he said |
| 13:08:04 | Bagder | but removing old feature requests would only cause people to resubmit them |
| 13:08:10 | n1s | there's lots of them and I don't know if we have a policy for "impossible" or "obvious" requests |
| 13:08:21 | * | n1s wants policies! |
| 13:08:35 | linuxstb | Very little is impossible - especially as Rockbox gets ported to faster and faster devices. |
| 13:08:44 | Bagder | indeed |
| 13:08:56 | * | Bagder recalls the NODO document... |
| 13:09:07 | linuxstb | Yes, there's almost nothing left... |
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| 13:09:15 | n1s | yes sure, but do we have any other policies |
| 13:09:21 | n1s | for feature requests |
| 13:10:15 | n1s | like for features that almost everyone agrees shouldn't be implemented? |
| 13:11:04 | Bagder | they should be closed/rejected |
| 13:11:26 | * | n1s will start hunting after food is ready :-) |
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| 13:12:45 | n1s | also there's a problem with lagre amounts of requests in the tracker −− it makes it harder for people to find earlier requests and results in more duplicates |
| 13:13:46 | n1s | Bagder I like the reversed chronological order on the new irc logs page, nice! |
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| 13:13:58 | Bagder | yes, it's a lot nicer |
| 13:15:00 | Mikachu | maybe this can safely be closed http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/888 |
| 13:15:01 | * | dune2 is away: brb |
| 13:15:02 | Bagder | quite a massive amount of links |
| 13:15:04 | Mikachu | Animations Main-Menu |
| 13:15:14 | JdGordon | out of curiosity, does having lots of return statements in a function make the code larger than having breaks and a variable to store the return value? |
| 13:15:37 | Bagder | JdGordon: generally speaking: no |
| 13:15:54 | Mikachu | usually the variable is used if you want to do something in the common case before returning, but after the switch |
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| 13:19:39 | JdGordon | has anyone noticed builds take longer to start with the svnversion script now? |
| 13:21:01 | Bagder | we're fewer servers now |
| 13:21:11 | Bagder | since not all have converted |
| 13:21:20 | JdGordon | I mean on local boxes... |
| 13:21:26 | Bagder | ah |
| 13:21:35 | Bagder | now how can that affect the build? |
| 13:21:40 | JdGordon | it feels like it takes ages to start |
| 13:21:49 | JdGordon | but im not sure if its me or my computer being silly |
| 13:21:50 | Mikachu | maybe it contacts the server for wahtever reason |
| 13:22:16 | Bagder | there's only one svn command in the build, and that is svnversion that checks the rev of your local repo |
| 13:22:43 | JdGordon | ok, it must be my box then |
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| 13:23:55 | JdGordon | amiconn: ok, I got rid of strtok |
| 13:24:12 | Mikachu | haha http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2015 |
| 13:25:19 | JdGordon | what the FUVK? |
| 13:25:35 | markun | Mikachu: is he proposing a hardware mod? |
| 13:25:44 | Mikachu | i have no idea, i started laughing at MANULA though |
| 13:26:42 | scorche | how did that stay around this long? |
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| 13:33:28 | Mikachu | someone can close this bug, you can use Play Next that was added recently http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2730 |
| 13:33:33 | Mikachu | er, feature request |
| 13:34:04 | n1s | sure |
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| 13:34:51 | Mikachu | maybe Play Next Shuffled should also exist |
| 13:34:52 | markun | Mikachu: why don't you apply for the right to close them yourself? |
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| 13:35:06 | Mikachu | markun: i guess i could do that too |
| 13:35:19 | Mikachu | is that Bagder or zagor? |
| 13:35:20 | markun | Bagder: can you grant him permission? |
| 13:35:47 | bluebrother | JdGordon: svnversion needs a bit time |
| 13:36:05 | bluebrother | just run it in the top of your source dir and see. |
| 13:36:07 | Bagder | Mikachu: what's your flyspray account name? |
| 13:36:17 | Mikachu | mikaelh |
| 13:36:21 | JdGordon | Bagder: is it possible to make the target name at the top of the table a link to the rockbox.zip if it built? (and possibly in a different colour so it stands out) |
| 13:36:27 | bluebrother | but I don't think there is anything we can do about this :( |
| 13:36:46 | JdGordon | can we disable it on local builds? |
| 13:36:54 | Bagder | Mikachu: superpowers handed over |
| 13:36:59 | Mikachu | hooray |
| 13:37:41 | JdGordon | what would be great for local builds is if the time of the actual build was used instead of the time make was run, and not put the svn versino there |
| 13:37:48 | Bagder | JdGordon: the table is only updated before all builds and after all builds |
| 13:38:06 | JdGordon | ok |
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| 13:39:16 | Llorean | Mikachu: "Play Next Shuffled" doesn't really make sense, it should just be sequential if shuffle is off, or shuffled if shuffle is on since it's supposed to be replacing your playlist rather than being added into it. I'm not sure it does this though. |
| 13:39:31 | Mikachu | Llorean: i mean like Insert Shuffle |
| 13:39:41 | Llorean | Yes, I know, but it doesn't make sense. |
| 13:39:54 | Mikachu | why not? |
| 13:40:04 | Llorean | Insert Shuffle makes sense because it's adding the songs into an already existing list. |
| 13:40:15 | Mikachu | insert shuffle exists for empty playlists too |
| 13:40:18 | Mikachu | but only on directories |
| 13:40:35 | Llorean | Yes, but it serves no real purpose other than if you want a shuffled playlist but can't be bothered to turn on the shuffle setting. |
| 13:40:41 | Mikachu | i agree that it shouldn't appear for individual tracks (insert shuffle doesn't do that either) |
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| 13:41:21 | Mikachu | i don't think you've thought this through |
| 13:41:46 | n1s | Shouldn't "Play Next" just do what is normaly done when a son is selected in the browser and enqueue the currently played song at the beginning of the playlist? |
| 13:41:54 | n1s | song, not son |
| 13:41:56 | Llorean | n1s: Basically. |
| 13:42:14 | Llorean | Which means if shuffle is on, you should get a shuffled list, and if it's off you shouldn't. |
| 13:42:27 | Mikachu | i agree |
| 13:42:33 | Mikachu | i'm talking about selecting a directory though |
| 13:42:47 | Llorean | Why wouldn't the same apply to a directory? |
| 13:43:08 | n1s | I only used it once and that made wps<->reality sync go to hell as it thought it was playing a diffferent song than were playing... not reproducible unfortunatley |
| 13:43:13 | Mikachu | if the same applies to a directory, you can submit a patch to remove insert shuffled from the menu too |
| 13:43:34 | Llorean | Mikachu: Insert Shuffled is useful if you have an existing playlist and want to shuffle a new folder into it. |
| 13:44:01 | Mikachu | Llorean: talking about the "empty playlist insert" menu |
| 13:44:05 | Mikachu | stop playback |
| 13:44:10 | Mikachu | insert on a directory |
| 13:44:12 | bluebrother | JdGordon: how should we differ between "local" builds? |
| 13:44:15 | Mikachu | insert and insert shuffled appears |
| 13:44:16 | Mikachu | both work fine |
| 13:44:22 | Llorean | Then specify that, I can't know which "The Menu" you're talking about. |
| 13:44:31 | Llorean | You keep jumping back and forth. |
| 13:44:33 | bluebrother | you can put some string to docs/VERSION and that will used then (and svnversion not called) |
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| 13:44:59 | Llorean | But "Insert Shuffled" is redundant on an empty playlist if "Insert" creates a shuffled playlist when shuffle is on, yes. |
| 13:45:14 | JdGordon | bluebrother: i dunno... ok ill do that |
| 13:45:24 | Mikachu | just because there's an incredibly inconvenient way to do something doesn't mean a convenient way can't exist |
| 13:45:38 | Llorean | How is that inconvenient? |
| 13:45:44 | Llorean | "I want shuffled music, so I turn on shuffle" |
| 13:46:15 | Llorean | It takes me about half a second to do so. |
| 13:46:33 | Mikachu | and selecting insert shuffled instead of insert is O(1) :) |
| 13:46:38 | JdGordon | bluebrother: creating that versino file is makeing it much better... can we add an option to configure to automatically create it? |
| 13:46:47 | Llorean | It may be O(1) but it's entirely redundant. |
| 13:46:56 | Llorean | It would make sense if "Play Next" was always unshuffled. |
| 13:47:07 | Llorean | There's no point in having one variable function choice, and one single function choice |
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| 13:47:25 | Llorean | You either have the variable function one that serves in both cases, or you have two single function ones so the user always has explicit control |
| 13:47:38 | bluebrother | I wouldn't want to do this −− to prevent the casual user / wannabe-dev to build something one can't name a version to |
| 13:47:40 | Llorean | You're suggesting essentially 1.5 options. In half the cases they do the same thing, and the other half they don't. |
| 13:48:46 | Llorean | I really don't care which of the two directions you go in, but if you're going to have some of the options be independent of the "Shuffle" mode, they all should be so that behaviour is always predictable. |
| 13:49:04 | Mikachu | in that case i think the Shuffle option should go away, it doesn't make sense to show in the status bar, and have in the quick screen, an option that affects what happens when you select insert |
| 13:49:19 | bluebrother | and the addition of svnversion was to make every version trackable |
| 13:49:42 | Mikachu | (i have to admit i haven't used the shuffle option, i assumed it jumped to a random track in the playlist while playing without shuffling the actual playlist) |
| 13:49:47 | Llorean | Mikachu: It also affects when you select a playlist normally, when you click on a single song, etc... |
| 13:50:32 | Mikachu | you can use Shuffle Playlist for that, takes about 2 seconds :) |
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| 13:51:21 | JdGordon | does anyone mind if I move set_file() from settings.c to misc.c? |
| 13:51:41 | Llorean | Mikachu: But that doesn't allow you to start on a random song. |
| 13:51:50 | Mikachu | press next |
| 13:52:00 | Llorean | Yes, but that adds yet another step to a 2-second already process. |
| 13:52:06 | Llorean | People are used to playback modes |
| 13:52:20 | Llorean | They're common on just about any music playing software or hardware. |
| 13:52:28 | Mikachu | an option that shuffles playlists on load isn't a playback mode |
| 13:52:39 | Mikachu | since you can't turn it off after loading the playlist |
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| 13:52:43 | Llorean | Yes, you can |
| 13:52:47 | webguest65 | hey |
| 13:52:55 | amiconn | Llorean: "Insert shuffled" is *very* useful. |
| 13:53:00 | webguest65 | hi |
| 13:53:12 | Llorean | Mikachu: If you load a playlist, and turn off shuffle, it returns to the order it was on-disk, or should. |
| 13:53:23 | Llorean | amiconn: In what conditions. I'm willing to admit that I personally probably just can't see it. |
| 13:53:34 | webguest65 | i got an problem |
| 13:53:45 | Llorean | amiconn: But remember, we're talking in the context of an empty playlist. I know it's useful with an already populated one. |
| 13:53:46 | webguest65 | i have removed rockbox |
| 13:53:59 | webguest65 | but my sansa not starts the original fw |
| 13:54:00 | Mikachu | Llorean: turning on Shuffle and selecting Play Next doesn't actually shuffle the songs ;) |
| 13:54:07 | Mikachu | Llorean: i don't hold you responsible for that though |
| 13:54:25 | Llorean | Mikachu: Note that much earlier I said it *should*, but I think I even specified that I don't know whether it does. If not, it was implied by the should. ;) |
| 13:54:34 | amiconn | Llorean: With an empty playlist, it's still very useful on Ondio. Using "insert shuffled" is *way* faster than enabling shuffle and the using insert |
| 13:55:18 | Llorean | amiconn: Then that sounds like a flaw in how using "Insert" while shuffle is enabled works. It could still just call the insert-shuffled code if the playlist is empty. |
| 13:55:24 | webguest65 | IS THERE ANYONE WHO CAN HELP ME ? |
| 13:55:38 | Llorean | webguest65: You don't need to use all caps. |
| 13:55:51 | webguest65 | k |
| 13:55:51 | Llorean | amiconn: But my point is mostly that "Insert Shuffled" suggests that "Insert" is not shuffled. |
| 13:56:00 | amiconn | Llorean: No. Maybe I wasn't precise. Enabling shuffle needs far more button presses than using 'insert shuffled' |
| 13:56:10 | Llorean | Aaah |
| 13:56:17 | amiconn | And another reason: Meanwhile I always use "insert shuffled" on my targets and never enable shuffle mode. Reason: if I enable shuffle, I often forget to disable it again |
| 13:56:31 | Llorean | amiconn: Anyway, my point is that I don't mind "Insert Shuffled" but if that's explicitly shuffled, "Insert" should be explicitly unshuffled. |
| 13:56:33 | amiconn | Llorean: Don't forget: Ondio has no quickscreen |
| 13:56:42 | petur | dir |
| 13:56:47 | petur | woops |
| 13:56:52 | Llorean | amiconn: Nobody has actually told me that until now, I believe. |
| 13:56:56 | Mikachu | [.] [..] |
| 13:57:28 | Llorean | webguest65: Read about Recovery Mode. Do you still have the original firmware .bin file? |
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| 13:57:39 | webguest65 | ye |
| 13:58:15 | webguest65 | hmm no |
| 13:58:28 | webguest65 | only the american one but need europe |
| 13:58:55 | Llorean | webguest65: You need the one you copied to of.bin, like the install instructions told you to... You did follow the install instructions, right? |
| 13:59:03 | Llorean | webguest65: Also, you should read this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200TroubleShooting |
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| 14:00:43 | webguest65 | anyone here got the europe bin file ? |
| 14:01:26 | Llorean | webguest65: Most people in here aren't Sansa users. There are a couple developers, but remember, it has been clearly said that non-developers shouldn't be using it. There aren't a lot of people who might have your file. |
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| 14:04:11 | GodEater | I still don't get why non-devs would bother installing rockbox on a sansa - there's still no sound |
| 14:04:24 | scorche | DOOM! |
| 14:04:30 | Llorean | Pretty much |
| 14:04:42 | GodEater | oh yeah - I forgot. Sansa Doom. The way it was meant to be played =/ |
| 14:04:43 | Bagder | yeah, its the games that attract them |
| 14:04:57 | LinusN | let's disable doom and get rid of the support questions |
| 14:05:06 | JdGordon | can someone please have a look @ jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/changes.patch">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/changes.patch and tell me if its ok? I got sick of the mess in settings.[ch] so no code changes, but rearranged both files to make working in them easier |
| 14:05:08 | scorche | seriously |
| 14:05:11 | scorche | and rockboy |
| 14:05:16 | Llorean | I would have strongly suggested that. |
| 14:05:21 | GodEater | I think they're interesting in a "look what we can do with the hardware" kind of way - but I'd never bother actually playing them on <insert DAP of choice here> |
| 14:05:25 | Llorean | But all it means is that they'll go back and use/distribute older builds |
| 14:05:30 | Bagder | well, the good part is that they've brought our attention to the sensitive "recovery mode" of the sansa ;-) |
| 14:06:06 | Bagder | and possibly we'll get e200tool tested on a e200 soon as well |
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| 14:06:30 | GodEater | If I wanted games on the move, I'd get a DS, or a PSP. |
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| 14:07:29 | scorche | GodEater: but that doesnt emit the "i can play doom on my ipod!!!!!ZOMG!!!" factor =( |
| 14:07:56 | GodEater | I *must* be getting old - cos that's SO unimpressive to me ;) |
| 14:08:05 | bluebrother | maybe we should just remove doom :P |
| 14:08:07 | tokyotourist | fwiw, I never use the quick menu shuffle feature, as it doesn't turn on Replay Gains "Track Gain if Shuffled" feature, |
| 14:08:15 | scorche | dont worry...it is to me too and i am not "old" |
| 14:08:20 | * | bluebrother ducks and runs from the doom dedicated users |
| 14:08:29 | Llorean | tokyotourist: If this is reproduceable, why have you never reported it as a bug? |
| 14:08:41 | GodEater | straw poll of IRC channel : who actually plays it? |
| 14:08:44 | scorche | bluebrother: you are a bit late with that comment...already been suggested =P |
| 14:08:53 | bluebrother | too bad. |
| 14:08:59 | Llorean | GodEater: I've booted it on occasion just so I can tell people "It works for me" with a clear conscience. |
| 14:09:01 | * | Bagder never even had a doom wad on one of his players... |
| 14:09:06 | bluebrother | Doom? Doo dark on my h120 |
| 14:09:12 | bluebrother | *Too |
| 14:09:13 | GodEater | Llorean: that's not the same as playing it |
| 14:09:14 | tokyotourist | Llorean: is it a bug ? |
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| 14:09:47 | bluebrother | but speaking of plugins: I'd really like to have them sorted in submenus. |
| 14:09:57 | Llorean | tokyotourist: Shuffle should be Shuffle. They aren't actually a different setting, and it's odd that invoking them a different way has a different effect. |
| 14:10:13 | tokyotourist | llorean: I dont think that th person who implemented the quick menu shuffle fature thought it through, eith regards to the replay gain feature |
| 14:10:14 | Llorean | GodEater: I beat the first two levels of Doom on my Nano to test keymappings. |
| 14:10:34 | Llorean | tokyotourist: The quick menu shuffle has been there longer than replaygain I believe. |
| 14:10:38 | GodEater | Llorean: I'm still hearing "to test" - it's not like you did it for fun. |
| 14:11:01 | JdGordon | ... as long as it compiles, does anyone really care how messy the files get? |
| 14:11:10 | Llorean | JdGordon: Anyone else who has to work with them later. |
| 14:11:27 | JdGordon | that being me with the case of settings.* :p |
| 14:11:32 | tokyotourist | doesn't matter which came first, fact is that "track Gain if shuffled" doesn't work when using quick menus shuffle |
| 14:11:51 | Llorean | tokyotourist: Yes, so you've said. And I've already told you what to do if it's verifiable in an official build. |
| 14:12:05 | Mikachu | JdGordon: you should always write code so that other people can understand it, see for example playback.c :) |
| 14:12:16 | Mikachu | JdGordon: as a bad example of what happens when you assume you're the only one who's going to work on it |
| 14:12:26 | JdGordon | haha yeah |
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| 14:12:49 | tokyotourist | you're a dev you check and submit a bug report, i've reported it to you, buck stops here :-) |
| 14:13:19 | Llorean | tokyotourist: No, the buck stops when you report it. |
| 14:13:21 | scorche | oh boy... |
| 14:13:30 | Llorean | The channel is NOT the place for official bug reports. |
| 14:13:42 | tokyotourist | exactly |
| 14:13:47 | Mikachu | there's also the fact that Llorean isn't a dev |
| 14:13:49 | Llorean | It is a problem you're experiencing that I cannot verify or test without scanning several files and then attempting to hear if there's a discrepancy. |
| 14:13:53 | GodEater | *and* Llorean isn't really a dev. He's the demon of the forums. :) |
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| 14:14:03 | Llorean | If YOU experience a bug, YOU report it in the proper place. |
| 14:14:11 | Llorean | Or you don't complain about it. Ever. |
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| 14:14:33 | tokyotourist | you really are a difficult customer, unpleasant |
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| 14:14:40 | linuxstb | I agree bugs should go in the bug tracker, but someone mentioning it here is better than not mentioning it anywhere... |
| 14:14:44 | scorche | heh...customer |
| 14:14:52 | Llorean | linuxstb: True, but telling me to go file the report for him, is a different matter. |
| 14:14:58 | Mikachu | Llorean: people seem to not like you :) |
| 14:15:16 | Llorean | Also, I'm pretty sure the feature works. It always has seemed to for me. |
| 14:15:29 | Llorean | I'm quite fond of replaygain, the quick menu, and "Track gain if shuffling" |
| 14:15:42 | GodEater | I agree - telling Llorean to submit it himself is bloody rude |
| 14:16:00 | Llorean | So as far as I'm concerned, it's not something I've ever been able to reproduce. |
| 14:16:11 | Llorean | Were I to report it, I would in fact be lying. |
| 14:16:21 | Mikachu | if one was specifically testing for it, setting track gain to +12 and album gain to -12 would be a pretty sure way of detecting it |
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| 14:17:19 | Llorean | I suppose manually editing some tags on some files would do it. |
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| 14:18:46 | Llorean | hcs: Just the man I wanted to ask a question of: Does NSF do anything special when shuffle is enabled? I thought of it a few minutes ago, and since you're here I can forego the testing. |
| 14:19:23 | * | scorche is thinking about having a topic with many different phrases separated by pipes like most channels of this type do |
| 14:19:27 | hcs | no, it does nothing special with shuffle enabled |
| 14:19:50 | Llorean | hcs: How would you feel about the idea of it picking a random track from within the file, and just playing that one track before moving on to the next song in the playlist? |
| 14:19:59 | Mikachu | scorche: do you have anything in mind to actually put in the topic? |
| 14:20:00 | Llorean | Only while shuffle is enabled. |
| 14:20:53 | Llorean | Mikachu: "If Llorean says something rude, it just means he has no people skills. Feel free to ignore anything that isn't actual technical advice| enjoy the new leftside menu design | Any problems with the SVN migration?" |
| 14:20:57 | scorche | Mikachu: plenty....all sorts of fun stuff about where reports go, this is a support channel, rockbox related only, etc |
| 14:21:04 | Mikachu | Llorean: hehe |
| 14:21:22 | hcs | Llorean: it sounds like a good idea |
| 14:21:39 | * | scorche will get to formulating one in a few min |
| 14:21:44 | JdGordon | Bagder: btw, the chlog page still shows the old menu on the left |
| 14:21:49 | linuxstb | Wouldn't that be better handled outside the codec? |
| 14:21:56 | Llorean | hcs: To my mind at least, the way it currently works is *really* bad for shuffling into a playlist, at least. :) I was trying to come up with a better idea, but not many sprang to mind. |
| 14:21:57 | bluebrother | I's add "patches are not binary" |
| 14:22:01 | linuxstb | IMO, codecs shouldn't know about things like shuffle settings. |
| 14:22:01 | Bagder | JdGordon: yeps |
| 14:22:19 | JdGordon | doesnt html have the equivilant of a .h so you dont need to change that menu everywhere? |
| 14:22:25 | bluebrother | :) |
| 14:22:28 | Llorean | linuxstb: If playlists had a way to address a single song in a multisong file, then yes. |
| 14:22:47 | bluebrother | JdGordon: plain html doesn't. You can use SSI or PHP for such stuff for example |
| 14:22:48 | linuxstb | Then we should add that, not hack individual codecs. |
| 14:22:52 | Llorean | linuxstb: That way you could have, while generating the playlist, it know that Alpha.NSF has 9 songs, and shuffle those 9 into the playlist. |
| 14:23:07 | Llorean | But straight M3U doesn't seem like it has a way to do that. |
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| 14:23:38 | bluebrother | something similar would be css, but that's only for formatting. |
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| 14:23:50 | JdGordon | :( that sux |
| 14:23:51 | Mikachu | Llorean: one can use track.nsf?3 for example, fat doesn't support ? anyway |
| 14:23:55 | linuxstb | The current (as in .cue file) approach to multi-track files is to play the sub-tracks in order, even when shuffling. |
| 14:24:21 | linuxstb | Mikachu: But then they are no longer m3u playlists. |
| 14:24:35 | Mikachu | nobody puts nsf files in m3u playlists anyway |
| 14:24:45 | Llorean | Mikachu: The point is, I'd like to. :-P |
| 14:24:50 | Mikachu | or you could extend the # comment on the line above |
| 14:25:14 | linuxstb | I would prefer a new playlist format, rather then hacking proprietory extensions into m3u. |
| 14:25:16 | Llorean | It's also something that would need to be addressed for SID, I think? |
| 14:25:52 | Mikachu | m3u8 is already a strange format imo |
| 14:25:55 | Llorean | The problem is that either the playlist needs to open certain files to check how many subtracks they are, or the files need to behave differently during shuffle. |
| 14:26:02 | tokyotourist | hmm, in my haste I forgot to clarify that, the raplay gain "track Gain if shuffled" feature doesn't work with the 'Context Menu" Insert shuffled, and that it does work with the quick menu, its the "context menu "shuffle feature that I never use, which is why I'm not if its a bug |
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| 14:26:46 | Llorean | tokyotourist: What "Shuffle" in the context menu? |
| 14:26:58 | hcs | Llorean: if you really want that kind of behavior I guess you could create a number of NSFe files each set to only play a single track |
| 14:27:23 | Llorean | hcs: Probably the best solution, really |
| 14:27:38 | tokyotourist | Llorean, Playlists "Insert Shuffled" context menu |
| 14:27:42 | hcs | Llorean: yeah, if you want I could probably build something to do that, and put the track titles in the file names |
| 14:27:56 | Llorean | tokyotourist: Ah, but that doesn't enable shuffle mode. So yes, that's not a bug. |
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| 14:28:35 | * | tokyotourist1 damn fingers |
| 14:28:39 | scorche | tokyotourist1: just report it yourself...it really isnt that hard...*WE* do not know how to create the bug that *YOU* are having.....if we did, we would ahve reported it ourselves |
| 14:28:41 | Llorean | tokyotourist1: That's not a bug. |
| 14:28:44 | Llorean | scorche: It's not a bug |
| 14:29:00 | scorche | ah....i am not paying full attention anyway ; |
| 14:29:01 | Llorean | tokyotourist1: "Insert Shuffled" creates a shuffled playlist, rather than playing a non-shuffled playlist in "Shuffle" mode. |
| 14:29:02 | scorche | ) |
| 14:29:21 | tokyotourist1 | thats why i'm telling you, a), i wasn't sure it was a bug |
| 14:29:59 | Llorean | hcs: A utility like that would be rather handy, as I think single-track songs are more useful in Rockbox anyway. I always have trouble seeking to the right subtrack. |
| 14:30:26 | tokyotourist1 | b), so in essence you have different shuffle modes, one with "Track Gain if Shuffled and the other not |
| 14:30:44 | hcs | Llorean: I tend to listen to games all the way through so it has never been an issue for me |
| 14:30:50 | Mikachu | hcs: what is an nsfe file? |
| 14:31:08 | markun | tokyotourist1: yes, unfortunately |
| 14:31:16 | Mikachu | tokyotourist1: one is shuffle mode, the other is just insert these songs shuffled, you might still have other tracks in the playlist that aren't shuffled |
| 14:31:19 | Llorean | tokyotourist1: No, there's only one Shuffle *mode*. |
| 14:31:33 | Llorean | tokyotourist1: The other one just creates a playlist in a random order, and then plays that random order in non-shuffled mode. |
| 14:31:48 | hcs | Mikachu: it is like NSF but includes more metadata, like track times, fades, titles, and playlists |
| 14:31:49 | tokyotourist1 | thank you, very unfortunate indeed |
| 14:31:59 | linuxstb | hcs: Have you looked at the current cuefile patch? It would be interesting to see if it could be extended to support multi-track NSF files. |
| 14:31:59 | markun | Llorean: but can still be played in shuffle mode ;) |
| 14:32:06 | Llorean | markun: If shuffle mode is enabled. |
| 14:32:10 | Llorean | :) |
| 14:32:12 | Mikachu | hcs: so each nsfe file would have the full nsf file in them? |
| 14:32:17 | JdGordon | is the coldfire gcc more lenient than arm? |
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| 14:32:39 | Mikachu | i just noticed my menu has Recording in it (nano), does it actually work or did i do something strange so it got enabled by accident? |
| 14:32:41 | hcs | Mikachu: effectively, the format is a bit different but has essentially the same data |
| 14:33:11 | hcs | linuxstb: no, I have not looked at the cue patch |
| 14:33:13 | linuxstb | JdGordon: The recommended coldfire gcc is 3.4.x and arm is 4.0.x, so yes, I think 3.4 is more leniant. |
| 14:33:14 | Llorean | Mikachu: You should be able to record through a line in on a dock. In theory |
| 14:33:25 | Llorean | Mikachu: Evidence is extremely inconclusive. |
| 14:33:28 | Mikachu | okay, but nobody tried it? |
| 14:33:29 | JdGordon | linuxstb: ah ok nuts :p |
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| 14:33:37 | Mikachu | i'm only asking because there's a feature request about it :) |
| 14:33:47 | * | JdGordon picked the wrong target to test the builds on |
| 14:34:06 | linuxstb | Mikachu: It was enabled by accident, but people seem to think it's working (sort of), so it's still there... |
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| 14:34:18 | Mikachu | okay, i'll take no action then |
| 14:34:20 | linuxstb | I don't think anyone has done a proper line-in recording test though. |
| 14:34:24 | linuxstb | (on the Nano) |
| 14:34:27 | Llorean | linuxstb: Including the people who still swear up and down they recorded through the headphone jack on it. =/ |
| 14:35:17 | hcs | By the way, current iPod color builds are almost entirely useless, is anything going to be done about this? I propose removing scaling until we have it working. |
| 14:35:23 | linuxstb | Llorean: Which is odd - on the 4g and Color, there is some code to switch the headphone socket into "input mode". That's not enabled for the Nano... |
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| 14:36:11 | Llorean | linuxstb: I think the placebo effect is very strong. It's always "Faint but identifiable" |
| 14:37:08 | linuxstb | hcs: There seems to be a lot of effort currently going into fixing that problem - if the scaling was disabled, maybe there wouldn't be... |
| 14:37:18 | linuxstb | And Rockbox hasn't been released for ipods yet. |
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| 14:37:38 | hcs | linuxstb: ok, understood, I just remember that when I started I was turned off for several months by being unable to use it |
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| 14:42:39 | markun | linuxstb: the ipod only has a 24MHz clock, right? |
| 14:42:48 | linuxstb | I think so. |
| 14:43:23 | Llorean | markun: The RTC on my gigabeat seems to reset regularly (I think when I plug in USB? Haven't checked, just the word 'clock' reminded me). Is this also regular at its current state? |
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| 14:43:29 | linuxstb | markun: But I've never really looked at that part of the code. For the audio drivers, I just copied what IPL did. |
| 14:43:56 | Mode | "#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 14:44:02 | markun | Llorean: I can't say I have ever noticed that |
| 14:44:02 | Topic | "Welcome to #rockbox! | This is a Rockbox support channel. Please keep discussion related to Rockbox only. | This is not the place for bug reports or feature requests. They go here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker | Before asking a question, make sure you have read the manual (http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml) and the FAQ (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#FAQ) fully." by scorche (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 14:44:18 | markun | Llorean: do you ever use the battery switch? |
| 14:44:19 | Bagder | that is a long topic |
| 14:44:31 | scorche | there are much longer... |
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| 14:44:41 | Mikachu | maybe the faq should come before the manual :) |
| 14:44:45 | Llorean | markun: Rarely. But I've had to once or twice recently. That's probably it, and I just didn't make the connection. |
| 14:45:12 | Llorean | I'm not used to devices with a battery switch. |
| 14:45:14 | Llorean | :) |
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| 14:46:05 | markun | Llorean: yes, it's a bit anoying. I saw a patch in the tracker with a suggestion to auto update the RTC from filetimes create by the host computer when in USB mode |
| 14:46:16 | * | GodEater only just noticed the downloads section the front page has change. Neat! |
| 14:46:24 | markun | don't know how well it will work, but might be a nice feature |
| 14:46:57 | Llorean | markun: I think just letting it clear is the best feature. Unless you can get a fully accurate time, someone could read it, think it's right, and be mislead. |
| 14:47:15 | markun | yes, probably |
| 14:47:23 | Llorean | markun: Oh, is there any reason the "LCD Poweroff" and "Button LED" settings are in the debug menu, rather than somewhere normal? |
| 14:47:59 | markun | Llorean: not anymore |
| 14:48:13 | linuxstb | scorche: I don't think there's a problem with people reporting bugs here - to confirm if they are really bugs or not. They can then be asked to file a formal bug report if there's agreement that it's a bug. |
| 14:48:18 | markun | gotthardt is redoing the button led settings and will commit it soon |
| 14:48:50 | bluebrother | Mikachu: when you use FS#<number> Flyspray automatically links them ... very convenient for comments / marking of duplicates |
| 14:48:55 | Llorean | markun: Okay. Just found that the LCD Poweroff at least doesn't save. |
| 14:49:00 | scorche | linuxstb: would just a "file bugs and requests here" be better? |
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| 14:49:37 | Llorean | scorche: Maybe just don't mention bugs. |
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| 14:49:43 | linuxstb | scorche: I wouldn't mention it at all. IMO, it isn't a problem that needs fixing. |
| 14:50:00 | scorche | just requests then? |
| 14:50:41 | Llorean | "Please take feature requests to URL"? |
| 14:50:42 | linuxstb | I think a "Please search the manual before asking for help" line would be more useful in the topic. |
| 14:50:53 | linuxstb | (and keep the topic brief so people read it...) |
| 14:50:53 | scorche | there is one... |
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| 14:51:13 | linuxstb | scorche: I didn't get that far :) |
| 14:51:39 | scorche | linuxstb: when a person joins a channel, typically the topic is written out in full just like a conversation |
| 14:51:43 | Mikachu | bluebrother: ah |
| 14:51:53 | bluebrother | scorche: when /join-ing #rockbox I get the (additional) message to check out the FAQ. Maybe this should also have a link to FAQ and manual? |
| 14:52:03 | Bagder | scorche: not in GUI clients |
| 14:52:18 | Bagder | at least not in all of them |
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| 14:52:29 | BigBambi | With the new downloads section on the website, should the link on the Releases page saying Archos only, download a daily builds point to the current build aka SVN instead? |
| 14:52:35 | scorche | Bagder: all the gui clients that i ahve used do... |
| 14:52:54 | Overand | i *think* mIRC does that |
| 14:52:59 | scorche | bluebrother: the issue with that message, is that it is typically output to the server tab on most clients |
| 14:53:02 | scorche | it does |
| 14:53:06 | scorche | as does xchat |
| 14:53:11 | Overand | I haven't used it in *years* - but eah |
| 14:53:12 | linuxstb | scorche: I just always think that short is best. We don't get very many bug reports, but we do get lots of simple support questions. |
| 14:53:12 | Overand | hmm |
| 14:53:13 | scorche | and quite a few others |
| 14:53:13 | Overand | hang on |
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| 14:53:24 | Overand | yeah, same in irssi |
| 14:53:33 | scorche | how about just this then? |
| 14:53:34 | scorche | Welcome to #rockbox! | This is a Rockbox support channel. Please keep discussion related to Rockbox only | Before asking a question, make sure you have read the manual (http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml) and the FAQ (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#FAQ) fully |
| 14:53:38 | Mikachu | Overand: there's /cycle for part+join |
| 14:53:45 | bluebrother | scorche: sure, but having the info there wouldn't hurt imo ... |
| 14:53:47 | Overand | Mikachu: i used /cycle =P |
| 14:53:54 | Mikachu | Overand: oh, the time stamps were 3 seconds apart here |
| 14:54:06 | Overand | Mikachu: yeah, this box seems to be a bit taxed |
| 14:54:10 | Overand | it might just have been flood control though |
| 14:54:41 | markun | BigBambi: yes, I think so to |
| 14:55:09 | markun | Bagder: can you fix that link on the realeases page to point to SVN builds? |
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| 14:55:24 | Bagder | will do soon |
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| 14:55:36 | BigBambi | markun, it might stop the problems with people seeing an issue fixed on the front page but it not showing up in a daily build yet |
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| 14:56:02 | BigBambi | Also, the confusion between dailys and SVN (Daily is more stable etc!) |
| 14:56:20 | Overand | hcs: was it you who I got the NSF-build from? |
| 14:56:40 | hcs | Overand: probably |
| 14:57:24 | Topic | "Welcome to #rockbox! | This is a Rockbox support channel. Please keep discussion related to Rockbox only | Before asking a question, make sure you have read the manual (http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml) and the FAQ (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#FAQ) fully" by scorche (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 14:57:46 | Mikachu | bluebrother: better? :) |
| 14:57:49 | Overand | hcs: what's the story with that - is it likely to move to the main trunk? |
| 14:58:05 | Overand | I feel a vague desire to update rockbox and I don't even have the link- I did that at the office. |
| 14:58:21 | hcs | Overand: it is in main SVN now |
| 14:58:34 | Overand | So that should show up in recent nightlies, right? |
| 14:58:39 | hcs | yeah |
| 14:58:46 | Overand | excellent- that is wonderful news |
| 14:58:48 | amiconn | scorche: #rockbox is not only a support channel, it's also a development channel |
| 14:59:33 | Mikachu | the devs already know that though |
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| 15:00:00 | Overand | yes, but random people who might want to chat about a patch they wrote wouldn't |
| 15:00:18 | Topic | "Welcome to #rockbox! | Please keep discussion related to Rockbox only. | Before asking a question, make sure you have read the manual (http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml) and the FAQ (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#FAQ) fully." by scorche (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 15:00:20 | Mikachu | i'm sure they would do that regardless of the topic :) |
| 15:00:33 | Overand | heh |
| 15:00:36 | bluebrother | maybe directing the "user talk" to #rockbox-community would be something to add to? ;-) |
| 15:00:39 | Overand | good point |
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| 15:01:28 | bluebrother | discussion about a patch is some kind of development imo ... discussing about how to download patches isn't |
| 15:01:47 | scorche | bluebrother: i thought about it, but wasn't sure until we know that channel is there to stay...but if you feel it should be, then i have no issue with it |
| 15:02:35 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Why is a Donkey Kong emulator invalid? |
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| 15:03:09 | bluebrother | I don't know how long that channel will stay, but currently there are only guys around who are familiar with Rockbox ... |
| 15:03:16 | Mikachu | i thought it was a bit unspecific |
| 15:03:29 | bluebrother | so attracting the average user to it might be an idea |
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| 15:03:49 | * | scorche looks for a second |
| 15:04:06 | fasmaie | Just to pu my 2 cents in, I think a direct to #rockbox-community would be helpful for the average user, but would probably encourage questions that could be answered in the manual there |
| 15:04:11 | fasmaie | put |
| 15:04:15 | bluebrother | Mikachu: you're aware of ReportingBugs? |
| 15:04:27 | linuxstb | Mikachu: I guess it is, but I just assumed the request is for an emulator of the original arcade hardware. |
| 15:04:55 | * | scorche looks for a second from a regular member |
| 15:05:28 | bluebrother | rasher(?) wrote a proposal for handling tasks to the ml some time ago |
| 15:06:26 | Mikachu | i can reopen it again and adjust my policy accordingly :) |
| 15:07:02 | bluebrother | I'm not sure if that task should kept open. It's something that isn't too likely to happen anyway |
| 15:07:21 | Mikachu | that's what i felt too |
| 15:07:40 | Mikachu | i mean i can put in 15 requests for games too |
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| 15:08:04 | Mikachu | if someone ports a game to rockbox it's not likely to be because of somebody else's feature request |
| 15:08:06 | bluebrother | maybe we should agree to close such tasks with an "unlikely to happen unless you start yourself" comment |
| 15:08:33 | bluebrother | but afaik there is no consensus about how to handle these tasks. |
| 15:08:45 | linuxstb | Mikachu: I don't think it's worthwhile reopening, but I wouldn't have closed it - unless we stop accepting those kinds of feature requests. |
| 15:08:46 | Mikachu | well, that's a bad reason to keep all tasks open |
| 15:09:18 | bluebrother | how about agreeing to not accept such feature requests? ;-) |
| 15:09:50 | linuxstb | How would you describe them? |
| 15:10:17 | Mikachu | requests that say "please do this monumental unspecific task for me" :) |
| 15:12:14 | amiconn | JdGordon: Screen is too small, I'd say ;) |
| 15:12:37 | JdGordon | that too |
| 15:12:44 | JdGordon | not much I can do with a 15" laptop screen tho |
| 15:12:54 | bluebrother | requests for features that are too unlikely to happen, like "port game xyz" |
| 15:13:03 | amiconn | Depends on the panel resolution, not size |
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| 15:13:21 | JdGordon | even if I had a 21" widescreen id have it on its side for more lines on the screen than width |
| 15:13:22 | amiconn | The build table (almost) fits on 1152x864 |
| 15:13:33 | JdGordon | 1024x768 |
| 15:13:48 | JdGordon | I havtn tried anything higher tho.. might fit 1280x1024 but i doubt it |
| 15:13:49 | amiconn | My laptop screen is only 14" but 1400x1050 |
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| 15:14:06 | Mikachu | i have a 17" at 1280x960, but i don't have the browser fullscreen :) |
| 15:14:19 | * | bluebrother hates fullscreen windows |
| 15:14:59 | * | markun loves them |
| 15:15:34 | * | petur alt-tabs along |
| 15:16:00 | * | linuxstb only has full-screen windows |
| 15:16:14 | Mikachu | the only fullscreen window is window 0x0 (the root window) :) |
| 15:16:44 | Mikachu | linuxstb: how do you feel about the mp4 video playback request? |
| 15:16:47 | * | bluebrother loves virtual screens |
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| 15:17:21 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Pointless, but I can't think of a good rule which would allow us to close it, but keep other, potentially useful suggestions. |
| 15:18:02 | Mikachu | it's not like this is going to court or anything... |
| 15:18:04 | GodEater | could these "unlikely" feature requests just be hived off into another project somewhere ? |
| 15:18:14 | linuxstb | In a way, the feature request is "too obvious" to be worth putting in the tracker. |
| 15:18:16 | GodEater | so we still have them archived somewhere, and still marked open |
| 15:18:24 | GodEater | but not cluttering up the "useful" stuff ? |
| 15:18:42 | Mikachu | if flyspray had better search, we could make useless ones "very low priority" |
| 15:18:51 | Mikachu | but it can't display >= prio, only == |
| 15:19:01 | GodEater | submit a patch ;) |
| 15:19:05 | Mikachu | heh |
| 15:19:07 | Mikachu | use bugzilla |
| 15:19:18 | GodEater | I thought we did and that the consensus was it sucked ? |
| 15:19:37 | Bagder | we used the sf tracker |
| 15:19:41 | Bagder | which isn't bugzilla |
| 15:19:44 | GodEater | oh that's right |
| 15:20:11 | linuxstb | So why did we choose flyspray instead of bugzilla? |
| 15:20:15 | GodEater | I knew there was something before FS - I just couldn't remember what |
| 15:22:36 | bluebrother | how about closing such tasks as "later"? |
| 15:24:39 | * | hcs shakes the FS Magic 8-Ball |
| 15:24:48 | hcs | "try again later" |
| 15:24:52 | Mikachu | too late :) |
| 15:26:51 | bluebrother | we should have a FS ranking ... looks like Mikachu will hit the top for closing tasks this month ;) |
| 15:26:58 | Mikachu | heh |
| 15:28:59 | * | GodEater wishes more xterm-a-likes had decent UTF-8 support |
| 15:29:07 | Mikachu | GodEater: use urxvt |
| 15:29:26 | Galois | xterm itself has utf8 support, although it doesn't support it particularly well |
| 15:29:49 | markun | Galois: what doesn't it support? |
| 15:29:57 | Mikachu | it supports utf8 fine, but it doesn't display unicode characters very well |
| 15:30:00 | markun | RTL display? |
| 15:30:05 | Galois | subpixel antialiasing, for starters |
| 15:30:10 | Mikachu | it only supports one concurrent font |
| 15:30:13 | Mikachu | it does support aa fine |
| 15:30:26 | Galois | you can get subpixel antialiasing, and you can get non-english utf8 characters, but not both at the same time |
| 15:30:26 | GodEater | xterm at least has *some* support for it, but aterm, Eterm, rxvt are all dire |
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| 15:30:29 | markun | Galois: what does that have to do with UTF-8? |
| 15:30:41 | markun | aha |
| 15:30:44 | Galois | I prefer my non-english utf8 characters to be displayed with subpixel antialiasing |
| 15:30:55 | Mikachu | just use urxvt though :) |
| 15:32:01 | GodEater | thank god for screen |
| 15:32:15 | goffa | GodEater: amen to that |
| 15:32:15 | GodEater | gnome-terminal may have crashed - but my precious sessions are safe ;) |
| 15:32:16 | markun | Galois: can you show me a partial screenshot perhaps? I'm really curious what it looks like |
| 15:32:33 | Galois | xterm? |
| 15:32:35 | goffa | i run gaim in screen now too |
| 15:33:11 | GodEater | curses, urxvt isn't in portage |
| 15:33:25 | Overand | GodEater: gaim in screen? |
| 15:33:31 | Overand | er, goffa, gaim in screen? |
| 15:33:33 | markun | Galois: no, english and non english glyphs in xterm with subpixel aa |
| 15:33:37 | Mikachu | GodEater: "rxvt-unicode" |
| 15:33:47 | GodEater | Mikachu: thanks ;) |
| 15:33:59 | markun | Galois: don't do it if it's too much work :) |
| 15:34:06 | Mikachu | the default settings are not so pleasant, but don't give up on it :) |
| 15:35:06 | Galois | I can't do it in xterm, and I'd like to know how |
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| 15:35:37 | GodEater | ooh, an access-violation-summary. Haven't had portage throw one of those at me for AGES |
| 15:35:37 | goffa | Overand: gaim-text |
| 15:36:16 | goffa | fairly new project.. that i'm lovin |
| 15:36:16 | markun | Galois: so you do "uxterm -fa [some font]" ? |
| 15:36:16 | Overand | goffa: sexy |
| 15:36:16 | Overand | how does it compare to pork and naim for you? |
| 15:36:21 | Overand | for a while I was just using bitlbee, but meh |
| 15:36:21 | goffa | haven't tried pork |
| 15:36:25 | Galois | I don't have uxterm. I do xterm -fa [some font] |
| 15:36:27 | goffa | but i like it better than naim |
| 15:36:27 | Overand | I mean I like the concept of bitlbee a lot |
| 15:36:29 | Galois | and it doesn't work |
| 15:36:31 | Galois | which is why I don't use xterm |
| 15:36:42 | goffa | haven't tried bitlbee either |
| 15:37:25 | Overand | bitlbee is neat |
| 15:37:32 | Overand | irc bridge for aim/jabber/whatever |
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| 15:37:53 | goffa | cool |
| 15:37:59 | Overand | fire up a bitlbee daemon on your machine, it listens on 6667 (or whatever) and only accepts loopback connections, you join a #control or something |
| 15:37:59 | goffa | that is a neat idea |
| 15:38:05 | markun | Galois: how did you enable UTF-8 support then? |
| 15:38:21 | goffa | so your users show up in #control? |
| 15:38:24 | Overand | it works pretty well- I just have far too many windows open in irssi to make that make sense |
| 15:38:32 | Overand | goffa: yeah, but i'm not sure if thats the channel nam |
| 15:38:33 | Overand | name |
| 15:38:35 | Galois | I use gnome-terminal or konsole |
| 15:38:38 | Mikachu | goffa: you can either use queries or talk in the channel |
| 15:38:38 | Overand | and you just message them |
| 15:38:48 | Overand | the obvious implication being that your irc client needs to support multiple servers |
| 15:38:51 | Mikachu | the channel name is &bitlbee |
| 15:38:51 | goffa | interesting |
| 15:38:56 | Overand | also- there *are* public bitlbee gateways out there |
| 15:39:08 | Mikachu | you can /connect irc.bitlbee.org i think |
| 15:39:10 | Overand | but i'd rather not send my login credentials to a 3rd party even if they seem trustworthy |
| 15:39:14 | goffa | yeah |
| 15:39:15 | Overand | Mikachu: exactly |
| 15:39:22 | Overand | but a local one's nicer |
| 15:39:39 | goffa | yeah... gaim-text is a lot like gaim itself |
| 15:39:43 | Overand | so i see |
| 15:39:46 | goffa | has an ncurses contact list |
| 15:40:01 | goffa | you can arrow up/down to get to whatever contact |
| 15:40:15 | goffa | and alt # to whatever chat window |
| 15:40:18 | Overand | yeah |
| 15:40:24 | Overand | it's actuall some other library |
| 15:40:27 | Overand | libgnt or something |
| 15:40:30 | goffa | yep |
| 15:40:44 | goffa | thanks google summer of code :) |
| 15:41:46 | Overand | ayep |
| 15:41:55 | Overand | did you see the google project for FUSE on OSX? |
| 15:42:13 | goffa | no |
| 15:42:34 | goffa | running linux here anyway |
| 15:42:36 | Overand | well, it's a project, for fuse, on osx |
| 15:42:37 | Overand | yeah |
| 15:42:38 | Overand | same here |
| 15:42:41 | Overand | we've already got fuse |
| 15:42:42 | GodEater | hmm - urxvt doesn't look much different to xterm |
| 15:42:45 | goffa | ah |
| 15:42:49 | Overand | well, actually i'm sitting on a mac running osx |
| 15:42:51 | GodEater | it's still failing to draw some characters |
| 15:42:53 | Overand | sshed into a linux box, so yeah |
| 15:43:05 | Overand | none of my workstations are linux these days |
| 15:43:11 | Overand | im going to rebuild some machines |
| 15:43:12 | goffa | yeah.. at work sitting on a windows box |
| 15:43:37 | goffa | i'd like to use linux here at work |
| 15:44:32 | goffa | hmm..pork looks interesting |
| 15:44:57 | GodEater | it's tasty too |
| 15:45:05 | goffa | he he he |
| 15:45:11 | Overand | pork is decent |
| 15:45:14 | Overand | it used to be unstable |
| 15:45:14 | goffa | didn't know about it until you mentioned it |
| 15:45:18 | * | GodEater had it in cassrole for dinner last night |
| 15:45:18 | Overand | but last i knew it was good |
| 15:45:38 | goffa | gaim-text crashes when you add a buddy.. so you have to fire up the gui when you want to do that |
| 15:45:46 | Overand | that's too bad |
| 15:45:57 | goffa | but... other than that it's good |
| 15:46:01 | * | Bagder coughs... eh #rockbox ? |
| 15:46:13 | goffa | good for chatting in rockbox |
| 15:46:15 | goffa | :) |
| 15:46:28 | Overand | heh |
| 15:46:32 | goffa | er.. not really |
| 15:46:51 | goffa | sorry badger |
| 15:47:08 | goffa | i guess there's #rockbox-community |
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| 16:00:39 | Bagder | hm |
| 16:00:39 | Bagder | load average: 81.21 |
| 16:00:55 | GodEater | ouch |
| 16:01:20 | Bagder | someone's hitting the web server really hard atm |
| 16:02:19 | markun | Bagder: can you see who it is? |
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| 16:03:34 | * | Bagder kills the web server to start with |
| 16:05:50 | Mikachu | i noticed flyspray was getting slow |
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| 16:07:25 | * | dune2 is back (gone 02:52:24) |
| 16:07:56 | scorche | dune2: please disable that script at least for this channel |
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| 16:08:39 | dune2 | scorche: it is not a script, it's me , but ok, i won't use away message ;) |
| 16:08:57 | Mikachu | surely you didn't type it manually |
| 16:10:11 | * | amiconn still doesn't fully understand the linux load concept |
| 16:10:23 | Mikachu | amiconn: it's sort of "how many processes want 100% cpu" |
| 16:10:34 | Bagder | number of processes in the queue to run |
| 16:11:14 | amiconn | Yes, but how does that relate to the actual load percentage? |
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| 16:12:34 | Mikachu | if loadavg is more than 1, cpu usage is always 100% |
| 16:13:12 | GodEater | that's the most succinct explanation I've ever read for load average |
| 16:13:23 | Mikachu | that is, unless you have more cpus |
| 16:13:32 | Mikachu | i can't guarantee it's a correct definition |
| 16:13:40 | crwl | load average can go high without cpu usage if a process is waiting for i/o |
| 16:13:51 | crwl | or so i recall |
| 16:14:04 | Mikachu | iowait is shown as cpu usage in top |
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| 16:14:25 | crwl | ...even though it isn't. :) |
| 16:14:48 | crwl | i mean, iowait isn't cpu usage even if top says so |
| 16:15:33 | Mikachu | then change my "cpu usage" to "what top shows for cpu usage" :) |
| 16:16:26 | crwl | :) |
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| 16:17:41 | desowin | use utf8 for translation files ? |
| 16:18:15 | markun | desowin: yes |
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| 16:19:46 | desowin | oh, also there's polish-ascii and polish, should I prepare both (first one has 'stripped' some letters ie. a is instead of Ä
) or just keep polish one ? |
| 16:20:45 | markun | desowin: I think we can remove the ascii one, what do you think? |
| 16:21:21 | desowin | I think the same |
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| 16:21:39 | desowin | creating ascii is lame way to solve non-displaying characters |
| 16:22:14 | desowin | there'll be need for font that has 'Ä
ÄĊşĊĵÄĊĊ³' |
| 16:23:03 | markun | we have those fonts |
| 16:23:30 | markun | it will just not work on the charcell displays |
| 16:23:55 | desowin | or |
| 16:24:11 | markun | Bagder: if I remove a file from SVN can we get it back if too many people complain?? |
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| 16:24:20 | Bagder | sure |
| 16:24:22 | desowin | maybe if the display doesn't allow displaying such font, why not make 'on-the-fly' change from Ä
to a, from Ä to e and so |
| 16:24:29 | Mikachu | markun: svn up -r revnumber |
| 16:25:36 | desowin | or if selected font doesn't have such characters |
| 16:26:04 | markun | desowin: yes, I think there even is such a thing implemented. I will remove the file. |
| 16:26:23 | Mikachu | the technical term is transliteration :) |
| 16:26:23 | desowin | it's not implemented, at least in svn |
| 16:29:51 | linuxstb | Is there an "undelete" function in svn? Or do you re-add it as if it's a new file? |
| 16:31:53 | desowin | there're <voice>*: ""</voice> everytime in polish lang file, should I leave it blank or enter polish words here ? |
| 16:32:06 | Mikachu | linuxstb: maybe you can use svn copy (not sure though) |
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| 16:33:07 | markun | desowin: ok, it's gone |
| 16:33:27 | Mikachu | bleh, i'm still used to clicking the third link from the top for the build table :) |
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| 16:35:05 | Bagder | :-) |
| 16:35:33 | spug | there are no daily builds anymore? "current build" is the same as the old "SVN build"? |
| 16:35:46 | spug | or is current build the old daily build? |
| 16:35:51 | Bagder | spug: they're still there, although now a click further away |
| 16:37:05 | Mikachu | heh, the irc stats isn't perfect |
| 16:37:11 | Mikachu | Poor forehead, nobody likes him/her. He/She was attacked 20 times. |
| 16:37:11 | Mikachu | For example, like this: |
| 16:37:11 | Mikachu | * petur slaps forehead |
| 16:37:16 | spug | ah, yeah. i thought "download an older build" meant that daily builds weren't updated anymore |
| 16:37:58 | Bagder | well, the daily builds are always older than (or brief moments as new as the) svn builds |
| 16:38:17 | spug | yes, i understood that now :) thanks |
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| 16:41:25 | amiconn | desowin: If there's a faint chance to find a polish tts engine, then it's be nice to insert polish phrases between the <voice> tags |
| 16:41:41 | amiconn | These are used for building voice files |
| 16:42:04 | Mikachu | http://espeak.sourceforge.net/languages.html supports polish (probably very badly) |
| 16:42:14 | desowin | there're tts engines, but I have no idea if those can be used with rockbox |
| 16:42:15 | Mikachu | "These languages are only initial naive implementations which have had little or no feedback and improvement from native speakers." |
| 16:43:33 | amiconn | desowin: Rockbox itself uses pre-built voice snippets, so you would be looking for a pc tts engine |
| 16:43:53 | desowin | yea |
| 16:44:02 | desowin | but the license of tts |
| 16:44:44 | amiconn | The license is only important if we want to distribute such a voice file |
| 16:45:07 | desowin | so far I know there's no free such tts |
| 16:45:11 | amiconn | As long as someone is building a voice file for personal use, it doesn't matter |
| 16:45:56 | * | Mikachu feels ignored |
| 16:47:51 | markun | Mikachu: what about it? |
| 16:48:05 | markun | I've improved the german and dutch versions a bit |
| 16:48:13 | Mikachu | 16:45:06 <desowin> so far I know there's no free such tts |
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| 16:48:15 | markun | but it's pretty hard :) |
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| 16:48:50 | markun | Mikachu: espeek port is on my todo list |
| 16:48:53 | markun | espeak even |
| 16:49:01 | Mikachu | neat |
| 16:53:23 | n1s | lang cleanup in it's current state (soon on tracker) saves more than 2k on recv1 |
| 16:54:04 | desowin | what does MDB stands for ? |
| 16:54:11 | Mikachu | in what context? |
| 16:54:26 | desowin | in sound settings, MDB enable |
| 16:54:27 | * | amiconn guesses in .lang files |
| 16:54:50 | amiconn | MDB means Micronas Dynamic Bass, a bass enhancement in the MAS codec chips |
| 16:55:13 | amiconn | Only applies to archos recorders and Ondios |
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| 16:55:44 | amiconn | ...and perhaps soon to AV3xx... linuxstb? ;) |
| 16:56:03 | linuxstb | Yes, soon the AV3xx. |
| 16:58:31 | n1s | patch is up now if anyone wants to take a look http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6574 |
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| 17:02:32 | amiconn | n1s: From a quick glance it's looking good. However, committing this should be coordinated with voice file format change |
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| 17:03:34 | n1s | yes, and perhaps some script wizard can help out with the renamed strings in the translation... |
| 17:04:01 | amiconn | That too |
| 17:04:01 | n1s | or else most translations will be kind of broken :-( |
| 17:04:12 | * | preglow cheers at the lang v2 cleanup patch |
| 17:04:30 | amiconn | The voice files are now target specific, hence there should be a target specific header |
| 17:04:37 | preglow | linuxstb: how's that port going anyway? |
| 17:04:37 | amiconn | Same goes for .lng |
| 17:04:53 | amiconn | preglow: Perhaps the same as the elio port ;) |
| 17:05:06 | amiconn | scnr |
| 17:13:40 | desowin | id: LANG_EQUALIZER_BAND_Q and both source is "Q", where is it used ? |
| 17:15:11 | n1s | in the equalizer |
| 17:15:58 | desowin | can't find it anywhere on my iPod |
| 17:16:23 | desowin | I find equalizer, but not simple "Q" |
| 17:17:06 | n1s | it's used in the graphical eq screen on the far left |
| 17:17:29 | linuxstb | amiconn: The av3xx has medios running on it - so it won't have the problem of undocumented hardware which stopped my Elio progress. |
| 17:18:06 | desowin | it's not visible on mini then |
| 17:18:13 | linuxstb | And from what I've seen so far, medios seems to be better than IPL in terms of hardware knowledge. |
| 17:18:27 | amiconn | Isn't the elio a PP target? |
| 17:19:07 | linuxstb | Yes, but I couldn't get the LCD working. |
| 17:19:09 | n1s | desowin: it's also used in the "advanced eq settings" if you select a filter ther's a "Q" option |
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| 17:19:42 | desowin | oh, I see, but what it stands for ? |
| 17:20:00 | n1s | desowin: ask preglow or google ;-) |
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| 17:20:52 | desowin | http://www.google.pl/search?q=q&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 gives way too much results |
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| 17:21:19 | n1s | http://www.google.pl/search?hl=pl&q=equalizer+q&btnG=Szukaj&lr= |
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| 17:23:00 | n1s | heh, it's even mentioned in the rockbox manual what Q is for... |
| 17:29:59 | desowin | I don't use EQ though |
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| 17:38:21 | preglow | what q is for? |
| 17:38:24 | preglow | it's for adjusting q... |
| 17:38:32 | preglow | the manual should say what that means |
| 17:38:44 | dewdude | q is another way of indicating bandwidth for the band |
| 17:38:48 | n1s | preglow: it does |
| 17:39:25 | n1s | "Finally, the âQâ parameter controls how wide or narrow each EQ band is. Higher Q values will affect a narrow band of frequencies, while lower EQ values will affect a wider band of frequencies." |
| 17:39:45 | n1s | ah typo! |
| 17:39:48 | preglow | i'm planning to convert to use a proper bandwidth parameter the next time i'm having a look at the eq |
| 17:43:08 | * | Moos reminds to preglow the special filter for hardwares that doesn't support basses/trebles :) |
| 17:45:55 | preglow | ahh, yes, there's also that :> |
| 17:47:11 | preglow | what do you think is a good range for boost/cut, btw? |
| 17:47:15 | preglow | -24 to 24 db there too? |
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| 17:50:22 | Moos | yeah |
| 17:50:39 | Moos | @preglow: same way than others targets |
| 17:52:02 | amiconn | +/- 24 is a bit much imho |
| 17:52:08 | preglow | yeah, i'm thinking that too |
| 17:52:12 | preglow | but then again, i'll never use it |
| 17:52:37 | amiconn | MAS3587 / 3539 has +/-12dB, MAS3507 has +/-15 dB |
| 17:52:48 | Moos | preglow: hehe :-) |
| 17:52:53 | amiconn | UDA1380 has 0/+6dB for treble and 0/+24 dB for bass |
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| 17:55:54 | preglow | we should definitely allow cuts |
| 17:56:08 | amiconn | yes |
| 17:56:11 | preglow | amiconn: but then again, i don't see why having a big range hurts |
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| 17:56:43 | amiconn | I'd say +/- 20dB sounds like a good range |
| 17:57:04 | preglow | then let's say +/- 24dB for consistency with the eq :-) |
| 17:57:15 | preglow | but no, really, i don't care |
| 17:57:18 | webguest26 | quick question, so i installed rockbox on my ipod no problem, where do i put the music files so i can play them? |
| 17:57:29 | preglow | we need to tweak it anyway |
| 17:57:37 | preglow | webguest26: on the ipod... |
| 17:57:37 | Moos | preglow: that's not really important |
| 17:57:58 | n1s | webguest26: drag & drop them to your ipod, simple as that :-) |
| 17:58:02 | webguest26 | no specific folder? |
| 17:58:16 | preglow | as long as you remembe rwhere it isw |
| 17:58:17 | preglow | is |
| 17:58:19 | n1s | no, you can put them wherever you like |
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| 17:58:53 | preglow | also, since we'll be using filters of our own design, the cutoff freq can be tweaked, but i assume we'll just pick one that works and hard code it at that? |
| 17:59:11 | preglow | this is meant to replace the hw controls, after all |
| 17:59:20 | n1s | preglow: will these filters do anything that the eq can't? |
| 17:59:24 | preglow | n1s: no |
| 17:59:44 | preglow | n1s: that is, they will sound slightly different, but the eq will do a better job |
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| 18:00:20 | * | n1s cant see what they will be needed for then... but hey never use EQ or boosting anyway :-) |
| 18:01:15 | preglow | n1s: both bass and treble control will use about as much cpu as just one eq band |
| 18:01:26 | preglow | so you'll save some battery |
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| 18:01:40 | n1s | ah, that makes sense :-) |
| 18:03:31 | preglow | at least i hope so, we won't see until i code the asm routines, hehe |
| 18:04:15 | tucoz | the manual refers to the different flavours of rockbox as: current release, daily build, and SVN build. this should be changed to Release, daily and current build right? |
| 18:04:44 | n1s | tucoz: yes, it's quite confusing with the new side menu |
| 18:04:54 | tucoz | ok, i'll fix this |
| 18:05:11 | bluebrother | it also states the daily builds to be better than cvs / svn. |
| 18:05:16 | tucoz | hehe |
| 18:05:20 | bluebrother | I think this should be dropped also |
| 18:05:30 | tucoz | yep, i'll rewrite that section |
| 18:05:59 | bluebrother | good :) |
| 18:06:10 | n1s | maybe the reference to Daily should be removed, it only complicates things and daily builds are almost never better than "current" |
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| 18:06:42 | bluebrother | yep. The only difference it that they are archived for a while |
| 18:06:57 | preglow | there's a teeny bit bigger chance that the daily builds will work |
| 18:07:55 | tucoz | preglow, did you see the svn statistics? |
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| 18:08:36 | tucoz | we could mention the daily, but in a different wording than the current |
| 18:09:35 | preglow | tucoz: mno |
| 18:09:47 | tucoz | preglow, daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/svn I think |
| 18:10:11 | preglow | hah, cool |
| 18:10:29 | * | linuxstb can't remember writing 232044 lines of code... |
| 18:10:50 | tucoz | hehe. you can thank the doom authors for a substantial part of that |
| 18:11:08 | linuxstb | Plus I think I imported most of the codecs. |
| 18:11:19 | linuxstb | libFLAC in and out... |
| 18:11:30 | tucoz | if you click your name, you'll see where the loc code |
| 18:11:39 | tucoz | s/code/go |
| 18:11:45 | tucoz | bbl |
| 18:12:41 | preglow | i'm surprised i rank that highly |
| 18:13:25 | linuxstb | Apparently you're responsible for 10000 lines in libmad |
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| 18:13:35 | linuxstb | Plus 5364 in Musepack. |
| 18:13:52 | preglow | heh |
| 18:14:22 | preglow | cheap points |
| 18:14:35 | tucoz | the script allows for inclusion/exclusion of whatever you want |
| 18:15:10 | preglow | i don't really care much |
| 18:15:14 | preglow | it's a novelty |
| 18:16:42 | markun | preglow: I might have committed more lines of code, but it was less complex then the asm stuff you did |
| 18:19:06 | markun | linuxstb, preglow: I'm still hoping we can gain something by using a common imdct implementation for the codecs, what do you think? |
| 18:20:58 | linuxstb | I don't know, but I've been thinking an optimised bitreading library could be useful. |
| 18:22:38 | tucoz | "These builds are for people who want to test the code that developers just checked in." could be changed "These builds are what the developers recommend for targets in development"? |
| 18:22:49 | tucoz | ^^current build |
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| 18:23:24 | linuxstb | "These builds represent the current state of Rockbox development" |
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| 18:24:01 | tucoz | sounds good. i'll add a little note about what that involves as well. |
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| 18:25:31 | tucoz | It is not necessary to describe what SVN is in this context, right? (the current manual do this) |
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| 18:29:14 | n1s | tucoz: i agree too much extra info hides what's important. |
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| 18:49:02 | the_conley | hey there, is there still no code for the Gigabeat S? |
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| 18:50:44 | markun | the_conley: no |
| 18:51:07 | the_conley | markun: can I expect anything in the next year? |
| 18:51:21 | markun | the_conley: nobody is working on it |
| 18:51:29 | markun | I think that should answer your question |
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| 18:52:05 | the_conley | ok |
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| 18:52:08 | markun | if you really want it you have to work on it yourself and find other people to help you |
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| 18:52:18 | markun | too late.. |
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| 18:56:30 | preglow | markun: a common mdct routine won't be really feasible, each codec uses the routine slightly different, and the sizes are different too |
| 18:57:12 | preglow | plus, the mpeg imdct isn't even power of two |
| 18:57:26 | markun | aha |
| 18:57:30 | preglow | brb, bake bread |
| 18:57:40 | markun | preglow: have fun |
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| 19:13:20 | Viele-baeren | hi |
| 19:13:33 | Mikachu | helo |
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| 19:16:32 | webguest52 | Hello |
| 19:17:28 | webguest52 | Why can't I see any files on my iPod after installing Rockbox? |
| 19:17:41 | n1s | amiconn: A nice side effect of the lang cleanup and target specific vice files will be that a lot less useless voiceclips are included which should make enough room for improving the voice user interface by addition of more clips among other things (FS #6159) |
| 19:18:04 | n1s | webguest52: because you didn't read about the database in the manual. |
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| 19:19:06 | Paprica | someone with h300? |
| 19:19:18 | n1s | Paprica: yes |
| 19:19:32 | Paprica | can you check new plugin for me? |
| 19:19:40 | Paprica | if is it working? |
| 19:19:41 | n1s | sure |
| 19:19:58 | Paprica | ok.. you need a clean build |
| 19:20:23 | preglow | markun: fun had |
| 19:20:23 | Viele-baeren | does anyone of you knew if pill is on at the moment? |
| 19:20:44 | Viele-baeren | he says nothing in the query |
| 19:20:52 | Mikachu | then he probably isn't |
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| 19:21:17 | Paprica | n1s? |
| 19:21:41 | n1s | yes, i accepted the transfer but it doesn't seem to work... |
| 19:21:51 | Paprica | ok wait |
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| 19:24:41 | n1s | Paprica: it's not working, do you have some place to put it or could you submit it to the tracker? |
| 19:24:55 | Paprica | wait honey ;] |
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| 19:25:50 | webguest52 | Now it says "database not ready". How long will it take? I just got one song transferred... |
| 19:25:58 | bhundven | good morning... I have hosed my ipod by accidentally flashing the rockbox.ipod file as the firmware rather then the boot loader. It doesn't show up as a device in lsusb, and the ipod restore doesn't work on my pc running windows. any one ever fix this before, or should I turn my ipod into a paper weight? |
| 19:25:59 | Paprica | http://download.yousendit.com/5ABC69742D39C88F |
| 19:26:07 | Paprica | n1s, http://download.yousendit.com/5ABC69742D39C88F |
| 19:26:26 | Viele-baeren | ping pill |
| 19:27:40 | n1s | Paprica: got it, testing now, anything special to look for? |
| 19:28:00 | Paprica | i need to know if its working first... :) |
| 19:28:41 | Paprica | its a test version now so the cards are always the same |
| 19:28:56 | Slasheri | bhundven: what do you mean by flashing? |
| 19:29:05 | Slasheri | you can't flash -> brick an ipod |
| 19:29:15 | n1s | yeah, I saw that :-) and it's quite difficult to see if a card is selected... |
| 19:29:35 | Slasheri | and good evening :) |
| 19:29:37 | Paprica | mm ok.. how it looks? |
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| 19:30:34 | bhundven | using the ipodpatcher, I patched the rockbox.ipod rather then the bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod. Now my ipod doesn't show up as a usb device, and all I get on the screen is the apple logo. It's a 5th G video. |
| 19:30:51 | n1s | Paprica: look ok :) |
| 19:31:10 | Slasheri | bhundven: you should RESET your ipod by holding down MENU and then almost instantly SELECT. When apple logo appears on the screen, immediately hold down SELECT and PLAY |
| 19:31:20 | Paprica | ok thank you.. try to play eith the options |
| 19:31:22 | Slasheri | then it will get ipod to the firmware bootloader mode |
| 19:31:23 | Paprica | with* |
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| 19:31:48 | Paprica | and try to make a set... |
| 19:32:12 | Slasheri | bhundven: you can't brick an ipod with the ipodpatcher |
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| 19:32:50 | Slasheri | just follow that reset sequence and then try again / restore the original fw or the backup image provided by the ipodpatcher |
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| 19:33:57 | n1s | Paprica: the animation looks strange with a backdrop there's a dark blue line going from the pile of cards to the lower edge of the screen |
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| 19:34:48 | Paprica | ohh i forgot to disable the backdrop |
| 19:35:06 | bhundven | Slasheri: hmm. Yea. i've tried the select menu, then select play, and the select menu does reset, but nothing happens when I do the select play. it still doesn't show up as a usb device, and doesn't get past the apple logo screen. |
| 19:35:41 | Mikachu | bhundven: yous hould press select+play before thea pple logo shows up |
| 19:36:07 | bhundven | ah |
| 19:36:08 | bhundven | rock on |
| 19:36:20 | bhundven | that worked |
| 19:36:24 | bhundven | thank you very much! |
| 19:36:33 | Slasheri | bhundven: great :) |
| 19:37:05 | bhundven | I thought I was doomed! |
| 19:37:10 | bhundven | lol |
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| 19:38:12 | n1s | Paprica: it crashed when i put cards back in empty slots |
| 19:38:22 | Kitt0s | is the mpeg viewer any good for X5? |
| 19:38:35 | Paprica | fuck =\ |
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| 19:41:10 | n1s | also a minor thing, the menu is kind of strange as the selector disapears when you move down from "start game" :-) |
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| 19:43:52 | n1s | Paprica: Reproduced the crash it only happends when i put a card back in the empty slot in the left corner, not in the others |
| 19:44:45 | Paprica | mmm ok thanks |
| 19:45:00 | n1s | webguest52: did you restart after initializing the database? |
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| 19:46:59 | n1s | petur: a user reported a bug with the properties thing and couldn't get on flyspray so I posted it htere http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6577 |
| 19:48:07 | Paprica | n1s, left corner? sure? |
| 19:48:26 | desowin | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6592 updated polski.lang |
| 19:48:35 | Paprica | the first col? |
| 19:48:38 | Kitt0s | can some1 help me with the mpeg viewer? |
| 19:48:42 | n1s | yes if I remove the whole pile in the left corner and put one card back - freeze |
| 19:48:57 | Paprica | ok.. thanks |
| 19:49:03 | n1s | doesn't happen with the othe rpiles |
| 19:50:12 | Kitt0s | search doesn't work |
| 19:50:13 | Kitt0s | ;\ |
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| 19:50:28 | tucoz | Kitt0s, what do you need help with? |
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| 19:50:45 | Mikachu | Kitt0s: the mpegplayer is very experimental still |
| 19:50:57 | tucoz | Kitt0s, look at this page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 19:50:59 | Kitt0s | will it work for a converted file from .avi? |
| 19:51:06 | Paprica | n1s, when you take more than one card.. it happans too? |
| 19:51:27 | tucoz | Kitt0s, sure. as long as it is MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 |
| 19:51:34 | Kitt0s | hmm |
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| 19:51:55 | Kitt0s | will not work for MPEG Layer 3 i assume |
| 19:52:11 | tucoz | but that link i pasted should answer most of your questions |
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| 19:52:56 | n1s | Paprica: yes |
| 19:53:08 | Paprica | =\ |
| 19:53:14 | Paprica | thanks |
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| 19:56:57 | foolsh | this is'nt a rockbox specific question but i'm having trouble checking out an old version of the svn trunk via the instructions http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSVN. Using the command "svn svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk co -D 2007-01-23 rockbox", but I get the error "svn: invalid option character: D"... I guess cvs and svn options are different svn version1.3.2 svn help and man svn are no help...Does anyone know the |
| 19:56:57 | foolsh | correct option for this? |
| 19:58:00 | mattzz | svn help co |
| 19:58:21 | foolsh | thanks! |
| 19:58:42 | Mikachu | foolsh: i think -r "{date}" works |
| 19:58:59 | mattzz | there is a nice book linked on the rockbox svn wiki page. It's for free and it's good. |
| 19:59:20 | foolsh | Mikachu: thankyou too :) |
| 19:59:34 | foolsh | mattzz:i'll check that out |
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| 20:01:22 | petur | n1s: thanks for the report, I'll look at it later if I find some time :/ |
| 20:03:37 | n1s | petur: well, since it's gone unnoticed for so long I doubt anyone would even notice if we just close the task and "silence" the reporter ;-) |
| 20:04:19 | Mikachu | what is the policy on submitting wpses, should they go in the tracker or the gallery? |
| 20:04:37 | petur | you do have to click a lot of buttons to go to properties from that viewer |
| 20:04:39 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SubmitWPS tells people to put them in the tracker |
| 20:04:41 | Kitt0s | holy shit :\\\\\\ |
| 20:04:44 | Kitt0s | something is FUCKED! :\ |
| 20:04:47 | Kitt0s | i can't hear |
| 20:05:01 | Kitt0s | rockbox + original X5L firmware don't make a sound |
| 20:05:05 | Kitt0s | but only on Radio mode |
| 20:05:11 | Kitt0s | i can only hear radio |
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| 20:05:50 | Kitt0s | some1 help |
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| 20:05:51 | Kitt0s | :\ |
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| 20:07:27 | foolsh | mattzz: thanks very helpful info you gave me i'm all good now \o/ |
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| 20:08:07 | mattzz | foolsh: no prob :-) |
| 20:09:15 | Kitt0s | :\ |
| 20:09:16 | Kitt0s | some1 help |
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| 20:15:08 | foolsh | perhaps the wiki should be updated to read "svn checkout svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk -r {YYYY-MM-DD} rockbox" |
| 20:15:33 | mattzz | foolsh: go ahead, that's a wiki |
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| 20:17:14 | tucoz_ | foolsh, do you have a wiki account? |
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| 20:22:15 | foolsh | tucoz_: I do now |
| 20:23:05 | tucoz | ok, what is your wikiname so i can give you write access |
| 20:23:20 | foolsh | BenjaminBrown |
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| 20:24:10 | tucoz | there. you can try to edit a topic now |
| 20:24:17 | foolsh | ok thanks |
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| 20:39:50 | Mikachu | linuxstb: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5356 looks nice (havent tried it though) |
| 20:40:33 | Mikachu | i checked that it still applies |
| 20:40:52 | Mikachu | sokoban.c | 378 +++++++++++++++++++−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−- |
| 20:40:55 | Mikachu | 1 file changed, 116 insertions(+), 262 deletions(-) |
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| 20:41:43 | Mikachu | or someone else |
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| 20:43:53 | Mikachu | amiconn: maybe this is helpful to the usb problem http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5482 |
| 20:43:59 | Mikachu | amiconn: if you hadn't seen it already |
| 20:44:26 | * | linuxstb spots someone trying to close tasks |
| 20:45:58 | Mikachu | i accidentally closed two wps tasks before i noticed the wpssubmit wiki page suggests posting wpss to the tracker |
| 20:46:03 | * | mattzz cheers |
| 20:46:48 | linuxstb | Were those WPSs ones which are theoretically committable to CVS? |
| 20:47:10 | Mikachu | they had the header thingy, so i'll go back and re-open them |
| 20:47:15 | Mikachu | but they are from 2005 |
| 20:47:25 | Mikachu | and i think both were only for a specific target |
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| 20:49:13 | Mikachu | i reopened them |
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| 20:49:30 | Mikachu | linuxstb: does my rampage send an email to you guys every time i do something? |
| 20:49:45 | linuxstb | Yes, but I'm not at my main PC at the moment, so can't see my mail. |
| 20:50:10 | linuxstb | There's an historically named rockbox-sf mailing list. |
| 20:50:55 | Mikachu | ah |
| 20:52:55 | Mikachu | in that case i hope someone speaks up if i do something wrong, and hopefully i do more right than wrong |
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| 20:59:23 | tucoz | linuxstb, you run debian right? I wonder what to download to install a suitable rockbox dev environment. That is, what iso i should download. |
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| 21:00:52 | tucoz | is it the "testing" version i should choose? |
| 21:01:12 | mattzz | tucoz: testing is ok. stable is pretty much outdated |
| 21:01:24 | tucoz | mattzz, ok. thanks. |
| 21:01:27 | desowin | is stable still woody ? |
| 21:01:37 | mattzz | woody=stable |
| 21:01:52 | linuxstb | tucoz: I run "unstable" without problems. |
| 21:02:04 | tucoz | is that something else than testing? |
| 21:02:17 | linuxstb | Yes, there's "stable", "testing"and "unstable". |
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| 21:02:24 | mattzz | wrong! stable=sarge! |
| 21:02:24 | linuxstb | (with silly nicknames I don't understand...) |
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| 21:02:34 | mattzz | http://www.debian.de/releases/stable/ |
| 21:03:38 | linuxstb | "stable" Debian seems about as up-to-date as the 2.5 Rockbox release... |
| 21:04:02 | GodEater | I don't even think it's THAT up to date |
| 21:04:03 | decayedcell | linuxstb barry's unmodified bootloader also caused the 4G ipod to hard reset |
| 21:04:12 | mattzz | I think that debian has not been ported to any mp3 players yet ;-) |
| 21:04:35 | linuxstb | I run it on my xbox though... |
| 21:04:41 | linuxstb | Well, Xebian... |
| 21:04:44 | * | mattzz looks at his PC that is currently playing mp3s.... |
| 21:05:01 | * | Mikachu is currently playing ogg vorbis |
| 21:05:14 | * | linuxstb is currently watching TV on a TV |
| 21:05:27 | mattzz | linuxstb: you are such a geek! |
| 21:05:34 | tucoz | do i download the minimal netinst cd, and choose unstable in the installer? |
| 21:05:38 | Mikachu | what will they think of next, butter on toast? |
| 21:05:58 | Mikachu | tucoz: if you're on windows you can use http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 21:06:10 | tucoz | i am on linux at the moment |
| 21:06:16 | Mikachu | :) |
| 21:06:24 | mattzz | linuxstb: I was only kidding |
| 21:06:28 | tucoz | i want to build vm with virtualbox |
| 21:07:00 | tucoz | and i can not find an unstable cd image |
| 21:07:08 | tucoz | only the release and testing |
| 21:08:09 | | Quit nGs|GreyFox`afk ("Le vrai danger, c'est quand les hommes penseront comme les ordinateurs") |
| 21:08:38 | tucoz | i'll just use the testing one |
| 21:10:49 | decayedcell | hmm thats odd... ipodpatcher doesn't warn if bootpartition.bin exists before reading the partition |
| 21:11:00 | decayedcell | and if it does exist it doesn't overwrite the old file |
| 21:12:00 | linuxstb | What do you mean it doesn't overwrite it? |
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| 21:12:48 | decayedcell | say you have a 95MB bootpartition.bin in the ipodpatcher directory |
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| 21:13:47 | linuxstb | Ah yes, no O_TRUNC... |
| 21:14:06 | * | n1s gets adeja vu feeling :_) |
| 21:14:18 | n1s | insert space where apropriate |
| 21:14:27 | n1s | and a coorect smiley :-P |
| 21:14:53 | Mikachu | correct, appropriate |
| 21:14:56 | * | Mikachu hides |
| 21:15:00 | linuxstb | Can someone fix? I don't have a clean checkout of ipodpatcher handy... Just search for O_CREAT in ipodpatcher.c and add |O_TRUNC after it. |
| 21:16:02 | linuxstb | Don't worry, I've found one... |
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| 21:18:19 | newnick | linuxstb: say you read the bootpartition.bin |
| 21:18:37 | linuxstb | newnick: Check the IRC logs, I've just committed a fix. |
| 21:19:05 | newnick | then you get another ipod, and read it to bootpartition.bin as well, ipodpatcher won't overwrite the old one with the newly read bootpartition.bin is what i'm seeing |
| 21:19:26 | newnick | bah i'm newnick now |
| 21:19:38 | linuxstb | Don't take "/nick newnick" literally... |
| 21:20:04 | petur | lol |
| 21:20:06 | Mikachu | haha |
| 21:20:38 | GodEater | newnick: yeah - linuxstb worked it out and is busy writing a fix ;) |
| 21:20:41 | * | Mikachu tries to make yet another ipod only text entry method |
| 21:21:18 | linuxstb | Mikachu: To replace some of the tasks you've just closed? |
| 21:21:33 | n1s | heh |
| 21:21:55 | Mikachu | i'm hoping to get you to commit my mandelbrot patch some day too |
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| 21:23:13 | mattzz | is there something like HAVE_SCROLLWHEEL or something I can find about having a scrollwheel at compile time? |
| 21:23:36 | Paprica | who have ipod video? |
| 21:23:38 | linuxstb | IPOD_4G_PAD will do. |
| 21:23:49 | linuxstb | Unless it will also work on the 3G. |
| 21:24:00 | mattzz | linuxstb: it's for Sansa as well |
| 21:24:03 | linuxstb | IPOD_4G_PAD is defined for the 4G and later ipods (including Mini) |
| 21:24:11 | Paprica | linuxstb, you have ipod video right? |
| 21:24:21 | linuxstb | Right... |
| 21:24:31 | Paprica | can you check a plugin for me? |
| 21:24:43 | linuxstb | Sure. |
| 21:24:51 | Paprica | thanks.. sec.. |
| 21:25:41 | linuxstb | mattzz: Why is your code reliant on a scrollwheel? |
| 21:26:37 | newnick | no rule to target 'rockboxlogo.h', needed by 'bookmark.o' Stop what does that mean |
| 21:27:18 | linuxstb | Try a "make clean" |
| 21:27:27 | mattzz | linuxstb: I just want to assign the scrollwheel some up/down function if it is present, additionally to the up/down keys. |
| 21:27:57 | Paprica | linuxstb, accept.. |
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| 21:28:36 | linuxstb | Paprica: I'm using the web client. |
| 21:28:37 | mattzz | linuxstb: I will go for #ifdef (CONFIG_KEYPAD == SANSA_E200_PAD)||(... |
| 21:28:41 | Paprica | oh ok |
| 21:28:42 | Paprica | wait |
| 21:28:57 | linuxstb | Paprica; Wait for linuxstb_ to join... |
| 21:29:05 | Paprica | oh ok |
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| 21:29:55 | linuxstb_ | Paprica: Try sending now. |
| 21:30:26 | mattzz | s/#ifdef/#if/ |
| 21:30:40 | Paprica | linuxstb, http://download.yousendit.com/E8BDC0A05D75CD9C |
| 21:31:02 | linuxstb_ | Thanks. DCC normally works from here... |
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| 21:31:13 | foolsh | mattzz: then I think you could use the rockbox/apps/plugins/lib/pluginlib_actions.h for generic keymaps without #ifdef'ing them all |
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| 21:31:20 | Paprica | i think that the problem is in my client |
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| 21:32:40 | mattzz | foolsh: interesting - I will check |
| 21:34:47 | Paprica | linuxstb, how it looks? |
| 21:35:08 | amiconn | hmmmmmmmmmmmmrrmmmmmm |
| 21:36:03 | mattzz | amiconn: your noises are worrying me - found some bad code? |
| 21:36:04 | Mikachu | amiconn: did you see that task? |
| 21:36:18 | linuxstb_ | Paprica: It seems to be working fine. Should it do anything when I play? |
| 21:36:24 | amiconn | Mikachu: yes |
| 21:36:25 | n1s | mattzz: as a reference it's used in the bubbles plugin (button actions) |
| 21:36:41 | Paprica | try to make a set from ace to king |
| 21:36:52 | * | amiconn thinks there are currently many open ends. Too many :( |
| 21:36:53 | mattzz | nls: I put it on my list, thanks |
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| 21:38:46 | dionoea | howdy |
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| 21:41:19 | linuxstb_ | Paprica: Yes, it seems to be working. All the cards are Spades though... |
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| 21:41:44 | Paprica | ok.. you have tine to finish the game? |
| 21:41:48 | Paprica | time* |
| 21:42:56 | linuxstb_ | Not really. |
| 21:44:44 | Paprica | haha ok.. thanks anyway |
| 21:44:45 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: What open ends? |
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| 22:08:22 | Mikachu | ahah, it works |
| 22:08:36 | Mikachu | had to massage my mods to the button driver a bit first |
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| 22:17:17 | tamacracker | Hey guys... |
| 22:17:53 | tamacracker | my mp3 player is not being recognized by my machine anymore... and my mp3 player isn't goin into the gray screen when USB is hooked up to it. |
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| 22:18:43 | Mikachu | try using another usb port on your computer |
| 22:18:51 | tamacracker | did that. |
| 22:19:03 | Mikachu | tried resetting the player? |
| 22:19:08 | Mikachu | (which one is it?) |
| 22:19:17 | tamacracker | it's my Toshiba F10 |
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| 22:21:12 | * | mattzz submitted the memory monitor plugin |
| 22:21:36 | n1s | comitted? |
| 22:21:51 | mattzz | submitted to tracker |
| 22:22:07 | n1s | ah, can't get to the tracker now here (?) |
| 22:22:14 | mattzz | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6586 |
| 22:22:42 | n1s | looks interesting |
| 22:22:48 | tamacracker | you know what.. im gonna restart my machine |
| 22:22:53 | tamacracker | maybe that might be the problem. |
| 22:22:57 | tamacracker | brb |
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| 22:23:35 | linuxstb | mattzz: Have you compiled it for a variety of targets, to at least confirm it compiles without warning? |
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| 22:23:54 | mattzz | linuxstb: archos and sansa only |
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| 22:24:51 | mattzz | linuxstb: I have to add the PLA keypad thing to make it work on other models and probably a ton of other ifdef regarding the display are needed. |
| 22:25:09 | mattzz | are=is |
| 22:25:28 | linuxstb | OK - your patch comments didn't make that clear. |
| 22:25:41 | * | mattzz reads what he just wrote and does not understand a word.... |
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| 22:28:12 | mattzz | linuxstb: basically the memory monitor was written to help reverse engineering the pp2024 on the sansa. That's why it is not multi-platform yet. |
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| 22:33:22 | tamacracker | ok i fixed the problem |
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| 22:33:41 | tamacracker | My next question is, does RockBox for Toshiba F10 support .mpeg files? |
| 22:34:05 | TrueJournals | I believe all versions of rockbox support .mpeg files... it's a pretty standard plugin |
| 22:34:08 | linuxstb | Read this - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 22:34:09 | TrueJournals | but I could be wrong.. |
| 22:34:15 | n1s | tamacracker: look for PluginMpegplayer in the wiki |
| 22:34:22 | n1s | meh, too slow |
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| 22:34:44 | tamacracker | ok, cuz i just added a .mpeg music video and it's not showing in my folder of my mp3 player |
| 22:35:17 | TrueJournals | then I would say no... but you can try changing your view options to view all files and try clicking on it then.. |
| 22:35:24 | TrueJournals | There might just not be keymappings |
| 22:35:56 | TrueJournals | Do you know what the size of the screen is? |
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| 22:36:11 | Mikachu | you have to call it .mpg i think |
| 22:36:23 | linuxstb | You do. |
| 22:36:30 | TrueJournals | or that :-p |
| 22:36:33 | linuxstb | But the Open With... option will work. |
| 22:36:34 | tamacracker | ok ok i selected to view all |
| 22:36:37 | tamacracker | oh ok |
| 22:36:50 | EbErT | will that do sound now? |
| 22:36:52 | tamacracker | even though the file was converted to .mpeg? |
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| 22:37:06 | tamacracker | i can just change the extension? |
| 22:37:26 | TrueJournals | yeah, you can even use the rename function in rockbox I believe... |
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| 22:37:56 | tamacracker | ahhh hahahahaha |
| 22:37:59 | tamacracker | AWESOME |
| 22:38:08 | TrueJournals | ummm... ok... |
| 22:38:09 | EbErT | worked? |
| 22:38:18 | EbErT | did the vid have sound? |
| 22:38:18 | tamacracker | oh damn.. |
| 22:38:21 | tamacracker | the sound |
| 22:38:23 | tamacracker | it's on uh.. |
| 22:38:29 | tamacracker | very very fast chipmunk mode. |
| 22:38:33 | TrueJournals | lol |
| 22:38:38 | TrueJournals | you need to re-encode it |
| 22:38:50 | tamacracker | lol and the video is fast too |
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| 22:38:54 | tamacracker | ok how may i go about it? |
| 22:38:57 | linuxstb | Read the wiki page... |
| 22:39:01 | tamacracker | ok |
| 22:39:10 | TrueJournals | the sound needs to be 44.1 kHz |
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| 22:39:21 | tamacracker | oh crap... and it just froze. |
| 22:39:21 | TrueJournals | Does anyone know the size of the F10 screen? |
| 22:39:34 | Bagder | 240x320, isn't it? |
| 22:39:43 | TrueJournals | cool, thanks... |
| 22:39:55 | linuxstb | 320x240 - mpegplayer rotates. |
| 22:40:03 | tamacracker | is that a known bug right now? mp3 player freezing during playback of .mpeg videos? |
| 22:40:12 | Doomed | hey im getting a gigabeat s60, and just wanted to know if there was anything i could do to help get rockbox on it? |
| 22:40:23 | TrueJournals | I made a program to re-encode video ( http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=51189 ), and I'll have to add the F10 to it |
| 22:40:37 | Bagder | Doomed: a lot, since there's no port in progress... |
| 22:40:45 | tamacracker | yeah it did |
| 22:40:55 | tamacracker | oh mt |
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| 22:41:13 | tamacracker | True will that program work with linux? |
| 22:41:16 | Doomed | i have no coding skills what soever though :( |
| 22:41:24 | tamacracker | me either Doomed |
| 22:41:28 | tamacracker | and im not on windows. |
| 22:41:30 | amiconn | linuxstb: Does mpegplayer also rotate on Sansa? Would make sense... |
| 22:41:45 | TrueJournals | temacracker: unfortunately.. no. The language I'm using doesn't have a compiler for linux |
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| 22:42:02 | TrueJournals | you could probably use WINE though (hard to say, I can't really test it) |
| 22:42:17 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, I think so. I suggested it to barrywardell (I think) in the past. |
| 22:42:23 | tamacracker | true WINE might be able to handle the program.. |
| 22:42:38 | Mikachu | on linux you just need a single command to do the same thing ;) |
| 22:43:11 | tamacracker | i do? |
| 22:43:14 | amiconn | A single command needing a dozen cryptic parameters? ;) |
| 22:43:16 | tamacracker | it says open terminal and such |
| 22:43:18 | TrueJournals | To encode video? Well, you just need a single command on windows too... but people like having a little GUI interface... makes everything easier |
| 22:43:21 | tamacracker | but don't i need to locate the file? |
| 22:43:39 | tamacracker | like right click on the folder where the song is in, and click open with terminal |
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| 22:43:56 | tamacracker | then use the code for that specific file |
| 22:44:22 | linuxstb | TrueJournals: Why don't you add your program to the mpegplayer wiki page? |
| 22:44:41 | tamacracker | by the way: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ |
| 22:44:47 | tamacracker | ^ is down. |
| 22:44:47 | TrueJournals | I probably should :-p |
| 22:45:01 | TrueJournals | I'll go in there and make a link real quick... |
| 22:45:14 | TrueJournals | the only problem is that video and audio seem to be unsynced when using my program |
| 22:45:15 | linuxstb | tamacracker: Works fine for me. |
| 22:45:29 | linuxstb | TrueJournals: Unsynced in a PC video player? |
| 22:45:29 | tamacracker | what worked for you? |
| 22:45:44 | linuxstb | The mplayer website. |
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| 22:45:52 | TrueJournals | linuxstb: unsynced in everything.. |
| 22:46:00 | tamacracker | mencoder <input> -of mpeg -oac lavc -lavcopts acodec=mp2:abitrate=192 -af resample=44100:0:0 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:vbitrate=<bitrate> -vf scale,harddup -ofps 25 -zoom -xy <the width> -o <filename>.mpg |
| 22:46:06 | tamacracker | ^ paste that onto the terminal |
| 22:46:18 | Doomed | is there any form of av sync yet? |
| 22:46:24 | tamacracker | and then fill in the file name and the width? |
| 22:46:28 | TrueJournals | Doomed: no |
| 22:46:32 | Doomed | ok |
| 22:47:11 | tamacracker | >< im such a noob to this |
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| 22:47:27 | TrueJournals | We all have to start somewhere :-p |
| 22:47:43 | tamacracker | am i supposed to fill in the <...> ? |
| 22:47:52 | tamacracker | and if so, what's input stand for? |
| 22:47:52 | TrueJournals | bah, I can't edit the PluginMpegplayer page... |
| 22:47:58 | TrueJournals | yes |
| 22:48:39 | tamacracker | im assuming i just need to slow down the sound/video |
| 22:48:46 | TrueJournals | and... <input> = the file you want to encode, <bitrate> = something like 400 or 600, <the width> = width of your player's screen... so 320, <filename> = output filename |
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| 22:49:38 | TrueJournals | so, an example would be: mencoder myvideo.mpeg -of mpeg -oac lavc -lavcopts acodec=mp2:abitrate=192 -af resample=44100:0:0 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:vbitrate=400 -vf scale,harddup -ofps 25 -zoom -xy 320 -o outputmyvideo.mpg |
| 22:49:41 | tamacracker | so it would be <NYOIL.mpeg> <400> <320> <NYOIL.mpeg> |
| 22:50:12 | TrueJournals | not quite |
| 22:50:16 | TrueJournals | get rid of < and > |
| 22:50:21 | tamacracker | oh of course |
| 22:50:32 | tamacracker | < > is just to let you know where you need to fill in |
| 22:50:34 | TrueJournals | it might be a good idea to also use a different output filename |
| 22:50:37 | TrueJournals | exactly |
| 22:50:56 | tamacracker | so make it from .mpeg to .mpg ? |
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| 22:51:05 | TrueJournals | that would be a good idea |
| 22:51:08 | tamacracker | ok |
| 22:51:21 | tamacracker | thank you true, im gonna attempt it right now |
| 22:51:23 | tamacracker | the first hting i need to do |
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| 22:51:27 | tamacracker | is go to the directory |
| 22:51:30 | tamacracker | of that file |
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| 22:51:33 | TrueJournals | no problem... glad I could help |
| 22:51:44 | TrueJournals | yes |
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| 22:52:18 | twist | hey |
| 22:52:20 | twist | PROBLEM! |
| 22:52:22 | TrueJournals | hey |
| 22:52:28 | TrueJournals | lol |
| 22:52:52 | TrueJournals | No one ever pops in just to say "hi" :-p |
| 22:53:06 | twist | Uhm, i left my rockbox ipod 5th, to charge with the hold switch on now its crashed at loading the firmware :/ |
| 22:53:19 | twist | sorry |
| 22:53:32 | twist | bit hyped |
| 22:53:36 | midgey | have you tried resetting it? |
| 22:53:39 | Doomed | haha i come in sometimes just saying hello |
| 22:54:01 | twist | im brand new at this |
| 22:54:05 | twist | how do i rest it? |
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| 22:54:14 | twist | reset* |
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| 22:54:24 | midgey | hold menu and select (center button) for about 30 sec |
| 22:54:38 | midgey | i believe hold should be off |
| 22:54:39 | twist | Sweet! |
| 22:54:43 | lowlight | anyone know what's needed for the Sansa emulator? I can't get it to run. |
| 22:54:47 | twist | nice one :) |
| 22:55:04 | twist | ill idle here if that ok with you guys? |
| 22:55:59 | GodEater | about 100 other people do the same |
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| 22:56:05 | GodEater | can't say one more would bother us much |
| 22:56:21 | EbErT | irc ppl are big idlers |
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| 22:56:40 | mattzz | pluginlib_actions.h is nice! |
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| 22:58:44 | Bagder | hey, here's an interesting view on a PP chip |
| 22:58:49 | Bagder | http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2005/0908/nano21.jpg |
| 22:58:58 | Bagder | in a nano, compare with this c200 |
| 22:59:08 | Mikachu | 1g or 2g? |
| 22:59:09 | Bagder | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/images/sandisk-sansa-c200/sansa-c200-disassembley-9-thumb.jpg |
| 22:59:22 | Bagder | nano 1g, the 2g isn't PP |
| 22:59:29 | Mikachu | ah right |
| 22:59:38 | Doomed | well i cant really do anything until i get my s60, but what would be the first place to start, ive seen the gigabeat s page in the wiki |
| 22:59:54 | Bagder | Doomed: check the NewPort wiki page |
| 22:59:58 | tamacracker | wooooooooooot |
| 22:59:58 | Doomed | ok |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:02 | tamacracker | yessss |
| 23:00:04 | Ghoulunat | I've got a question regarding the Gigabeat F build |
| 23:00:06 | tamacracker | i got video play back |
| 23:00:13 | tamacracker | great job guys |
| 23:00:17 | TrueJournals | lol |
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| 23:03:20 | Doomed | Ghoulunat just ask away |
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| 23:06:20 | Bagder | grrr, forum search is borked again |
| 23:06:50 | lowlight | Bagder: the MSI P610 on your mi4 page has a similarly named "pp7002_5022_color" BL as the c200 |
| 23:07:06 | sdfoe | dj-fu help me install rockbox mate? |
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| 23:07:21 | Bagder | lowlight: aha! |
| 23:09:56 | twist | on too? |
| 23:10:30 | zefie | sec rom hmm |
| 23:10:51 | LinusN | Bagder: forum search fixed |
| 23:11:14 | Bagder | too late, I found it the manual way! ;-) |
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| 23:12:17 | gilligan_ | hi |
| 23:12:28 | TrueJournals | hi |
| 23:12:50 | gilligan_ | just found out about rockbox.. nice project |
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| 23:12:56 | NHeal | kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 23:12:56 | NJoin | Tman [0] (i=tyler@adsl-69-153-1-245.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) |
| 23:13:35 | TrueJournals | Stupid patches not working together... it seems that the scrolling margin patch alone works, and the kernel_on_cop_7 patch alone works... but together... no |
| 23:13:43 | gilligan_ | to get right to the point - i am a bit confused about the status of support for the archos gmini players −− while it doesn't seem to be listed on the website the sources /do/ list the gmini as a possible target |
| 23:13:48 | gilligan_ | so what's the status on that? |
| 23:14:24 | Bagder | it was once worked on |
| 23:14:29 | Bagder | and is since long abandoned |
| 23:14:38 | Bagder | and it was only for a few gmini models |
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| 23:16:33 | gilligan_ | ah.. just found a page on this (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GminiPort) |
| 23:16:37 | gilligan_ | well that's really too bad |
| 23:16:57 | preglow | a really hard port it is too |
| 23:17:04 | Bagder | it is a total beast |
| 23:17:28 | Bagder | but perhaps you have a newer gmini? |
| 23:17:43 | Bagder | if so a port would be easier and could be based on ArchOpen findings |
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| 23:18:55 | gilligan_ | i have a gmini XS 202 |
| 23:18:56 | Doomed | it looks like somebody has already started this gigabeat s port because they found out how its partitioned |
| 23:19:19 | gilligan_ | archopen? |
| 23:19:19 | Bagder | if that's called "starting a port", then sure |
| 23:19:41 | Bagder | gilligan_: ask mr google |
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| 23:20:15 | Doomed | haha |
| 23:20:50 | linuxstb | I don't think archopen supports the XS202 either though. |
| 23:21:01 | Bagder | archopen's site is confusing... |
| 23:21:12 | linuxstb | Indeed... |
| 23:21:30 | linuxstb | The only list of targets I've found is the "configure" command. |
| 23:22:01 | linuxstb | AV3XX, GMINI4XX, AV1XX, JBMM, GMINI402, AV4XX and PMA. |
| 23:22:36 | Bagder | I found a list on their daily build page |
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| 23:22:43 | * | amiconn thinks the xs202 is calmrisc based |
| 23:22:54 | Bagder | ... that contains that same list |
| 23:23:00 | gromit` | it is |
| 23:23:20 | linuxstb | Plus the AV5XX added today... |
| 23:23:24 | gromit` | we attempted to support it with gmemu |
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| 23:23:33 | gromit` | but the project has stopped by lack of developers |
| 23:24:06 | amiconn | So the whole gmini 1xx/2xx/sp family is calmrisc based? |
| 23:24:11 | gromit` | yes |
| 23:24:33 | amiconn | Okay, that's what I expected from the numbers |
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| 23:24:44 | gromit` | http://www.donat.org/archos/ |
| 23:25:01 | gromit` | most information is here : http://www.donat.org/archos/wiki/doku.php |
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| 23:25:15 | gilligan_ | think i'll just stick to the original OS for a little longer hehe |
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| 23:26:04 | gromit` | the GminiPort section on the rockbox wiki is our attempt to port rockbox though it hasn't been continued :/ |
| 23:26:45 | * | LinusN commits a bugfix in fat.c |
| 23:26:58 | n1s | late night fixin' |
| 23:27:10 | LinusN | let's hope i didn't introduce any new ones :-) |
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| 23:28:31 | maquis | for some reason, over the past week or two, i've been having weird issues with my ipod freezing if it runs for a while. it's not completely frozen because if i move the scroll-wheel, the backlight turns on, but it stopped updating the wps, and i can't skip, change volume, or anything. the funny thing is, this started a couple weeks after the last time i updated the software... (ie, it's not tied to an update) |
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| 23:30:30 | linuxstb | Have you tried scanning the filesystem for errors? |
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| 23:31:45 | amiconn | LinusN: Hmm, always loading 2 sectors? Sounds like a waste on slow media with fast seek... |
| 23:32:32 | LinusN | really? |
| 23:32:39 | amiconn | yes |
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| 23:32:56 | tamacracker | the sound is right, but the video is slow. |
| 23:32:58 | tamacracker | i mean |
| 23:33:00 | LinusN | *very* few directories consist of one sector only |
| 23:33:06 | tamacracker | the video is faster than the song. |
| 23:33:07 | amiconn | Provided that not all longnames span more than one sector |
| 23:33:10 | maquis | linuxstb: not yet... will do |
| 23:33:49 | linuxstb | tamacracker: Enable the "limit fps" option. |
| 23:34:06 | maquis | linuxstb: it always fails in the middle of different songs... which seems odd... but i will check the fs... and i'll probably update to a more recent version of rockbox too... it's possible this is fixed now... |
| 23:34:10 | tamacracker | ok gonna check that |
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| 23:37:03 | tamacracker | uh where is that option at? |
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| 23:37:22 | linuxstb | In the mpegplayer menu. |
| 23:37:38 | amiconn | LinusN: I'm mainly worried about Ondio here. Read speed isn't exactly high, but otoh there are no seek delays |
| 23:38:39 | tamacracker | now that's perfect :P |
| 23:38:40 | LinusN | amiconn: well, there is a theoretical risk that you will read one sector too many for the entire dir |
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| 23:39:23 | * | amiconn thinks this risk is very practical |
| 23:39:52 | LinusN | statistically, yes |
| 23:40:05 | TrueJournals | would anything horrible happen if you read an extra sector? |
| 23:40:15 | amiconn | It takes time |
| 23:40:18 | LinusN | TrueJournals: no, just a waste of time |
| 23:40:22 | TrueJournals | I see |
| 23:40:36 | amiconn | For file operations involving many dir entries it may slow things down |
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| 23:41:01 | amiconn | ...e.g. disktidy |
| 23:43:31 | LinusN | the previous 3-sector cache was buggy and complicated |
| 23:43:59 | LinusN | and it made tons of 512-byte memcpy() operations |
| 23:44:11 | amiconn | hmm |
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| 23:45:00 | amiconn | Now there are 4 sectors cached, correct? |
| 23:45:06 | LinusN | yes |
| 23:45:46 | amiconn | It doesn't look like the caching must use sector pairs |
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| 23:46:17 | LinusN | no, it *must* not do that |
| 23:46:24 | LinusN | except on the 5.5G |
| 23:46:33 | amiconn | Yes, of course |
| 23:46:59 | LinusN | so i *could* have kept the 3-sector cache and use the 4-sector version on the ipod only |
| 23:47:13 | LinusN | but that would have made the code even more complicated |
| 23:47:30 | amiconn | Well, it looks like the 4-sector version could be switched to 4 single sectors just via #defines |
| 23:47:50 | LinusN | not really |
| 23:48:09 | LinusN | the current logic depends on two alternating buffers |
| 23:48:48 | LinusN | instead of 3 |
| 23:51:06 | amiconn | Hmm, but that's only because you use index and 1-index afaics |
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| 23:51:20 | LinusN | amiconn: mostly, yes |
| 23:52:04 | amiconn | Changing this into index and (index-1)&3 should make it work with 4 buffers |
| 23:52:40 | amiconn | Similarly, index and (index-1)&1 does the same for 2 buffers |
| 23:52:43 | LinusN | yes, but you also need to change the logic when selecting which buffer to use for the longname entry lookup |
| 23:53:10 | amiconn | That's what I was looking at... |
| 23:54:24 | LinusN | btw, why would we want 4 buffers? |
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| 23:55:09 | amiconn | Well, 4 single-sector buffers would be easier to handle than 3, and it would fit nicely with the 2 double-sector buffers necessary on the G5.5 |
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| 23:57:02 | LinusN | my first version did use 4 buffers, but i wasn't comfortable with the code filling 2 buffers at once |
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| 23:57:36 | amiconn | I mean something different |
| 23:58:12 | LinusN | i think i see what you mean |
| 23:58:16 | amiconn | The code could be made to work on N buffers of M*sector size, where both M and N are powers of 2 |
| 23:58:24 | LinusN | i understand |
| 23:58:27 | amiconn | ...and M*N>=4 |
| 23:58:41 | LinusN | that could be done |
| 23:58:43 | Mikachu | ie M and N aren't 0 |
| 23:58:49 | amiconn | For G5.5 (and probably all hdd targets), we would choose M=2 and N=2 |
| 23:59:04 | Mikachu | i mean the power of 2 |
| 23:59:04 | amiconn | And for flash targets we could choose M=1 and N=4 |
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