| 00:00:00 | Mikachu | i meant the exponent, but i just realized 1*4 is also 4 ;) |
| 00:00:29 | amiconn | Meh, and you aren't midkay |
| 00:00:39 | amiconn | Too many mi... nicks ;) |
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| 00:01:36 | amiconn | LinusN: Btw, I'm not sure whether this causes a visible effect, but without testing we won't find out |
| 00:02:02 | LinusN | i guess it would make us sleep better :-) |
| 00:02:07 | amiconn | MMCs >1GB have block sizes of 1KB, >2GB have block sizes of 2KB |
| 00:02:19 | LinusN | aha |
| 00:02:20 | amiconn | So the MMC driver needs to cache blocks anyway |
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| 00:02:57 | amiconn | This is similar to what I suggested for the large ata sectors, but still somewhat different in that the filesystem is still based on 512-byte sectors |
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| 00:04:36 | amiconn | However, the internal flash has plain 512 byte blocks, and I think that MMCs >4GB (MMC 4.2 standard) can have 512 byte blocks as well because the block count isn't limited by the CSD format anymore |
| 00:05:18 | LinusN | oh |
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| 00:05:47 | amiconn | The MMC protocol and CSD format (up to MMC4.1) is rather short-sighted |
| 00:06:01 | LinusN | what a surprise :-) |
| 00:06:25 | amiconn | It uses byte addressing with a 32 bit address, and the block count encoding also limits it to <4GB (what a coincidence) |
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| 00:06:57 | amiconn | MMC4.0 introduces and EXT_CSD, and MMC4.2 puts the block count there (don't know the format yet) and introduces block addressing |
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| 00:07:11 | amiconn | a/and/an/ |
| 00:07:17 | amiconn | Blargh |
| 00:07:24 | * | amiconn hopes you get what I mean |
| 00:07:48 | Mikachu | i did, so most likely LinusN did too :) |
| 00:08:18 | amiconn | So MMC4.2 is good for up to 2TB (with 512-byte blocks) |
| 00:09:22 | * | LinusN understood |
| 00:09:49 | LinusN | amiconn: so do you want me to rewrite the buffering logic? |
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| 00:13:46 | amiconn | Hmm, not sure. Might be good to compare results... |
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| 00:14:17 | amiconn | I think that on hdd target buffering multiple sectors is always better, especially with optimised transfers |
| 00:15:49 | LinusN | ok, i'll change the code |
| 00:16:38 | amiconn | I guess you need to do a similar thing with the fat sectors? |
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| 00:17:09 | LinusN | amiconn: the fat cache, yes |
| 00:19:23 | * | amiconn wonders what a typical dir size might be (in sectors) |
| 00:19:45 | amiconn | Reading multiple sectors saves some overhead... |
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| 00:20:31 | * | amiconn unzips a fresh build to his Ondio FM |
| 00:23:35 | tamacracker | wish there was AM radio stations on the internet |
| 00:23:41 | tamacracker | akc mt |
| 00:24:02 | amiconn | LinusN: Umm, looks like you introduced a bug... |
| 00:24:02 | Mikachu | you know internet radio is not transmitted over fm right? ;) |
| 00:24:13 | LinusN | amiconn: damn |
| 00:24:20 | amiconn | I see several filenames twice, e.g. in "Browse plugins" |
| 00:24:26 | LinusN | ouch |
| 00:24:53 | tamacracker | is that right Mikachu? |
| 00:24:53 | amiconn | When checking from the PC, they aren't doubled |
| 00:25:13 | amiconn | The file system is error free |
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| 00:25:20 | tamacracker | there's this radio station on AM (610 Coast 2 Coast), would be great to have it on PC lol |
| 00:25:24 | * | preglow resets the bug stupidity meter and awaits |
| 00:25:28 | LinusN | amiconn: not good - i tested on h100 and fmrec |
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| 00:26:57 | amiconn | LinusN: To be precise, I see 3 plugins listed twice: blackjack.rock, random_folder_advance_config.rock and test_disk.rock |
| 00:27:28 | LinusN | ouch |
| 00:27:39 | LinusN | it looks fine on my targets |
| 00:28:18 | amiconn | No plugin is missing. 47 *.rock files, 50 listed in "Browse plugins" |
| 00:28:28 | LinusN | then i guess i'd better revert that change and test some more |
| 00:28:57 | twist | can i over charge my ipob battrery or will the rockbox firmware stop the chargeing when its full? |
| 00:29:32 | Mikachu | the ipod has a hardware charging chip |
| 00:29:44 | twist | Ahhh thats good |
| 00:30:00 | twist | I can sleep ok tonight then |
| 00:30:24 | Zagor | ircreader now stores settings |
| 00:30:39 | preglow | ircreader? |
| 00:30:46 | Zagor | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl |
| 00:31:10 | Zagor | a little thing I've whipped up after having read the logs more than normally :) |
| 00:31:15 | mattzz | Can somebody help me with pluginlib_actions.h? I do not understand the LAST_PLUGINLIB_ACTION thing. |
| 00:31:19 | preglow | fancy |
| 00:31:56 | preglow | arbitrarily chosen colours or what? |
| 00:31:58 | mattzz | the _pre thing is not working anymore to prevent repeated actions when I use pluginlib_actions.h |
| 00:32:08 | Zagor | preglow: yes, randomised |
| 00:32:50 | Zagor | I'll play with some sort of hash to keep them persistent |
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| 00:33:52 | mattzz | JdGordon: can you help me with the PLA routines (your name is in the file :-P )? |
| 00:34:08 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 00:34:11 | Mikachu | there's one in nickcolor.pl but it only has to keep track of 14 colors so it's probably not good enough |
| 00:34:13 | JdGordon | im half asleep tho :p |
| 00:34:15 | amiconn | LinusN: Hmm, found some more folders where files are listed twice :( |
| 00:34:27 | LinusN | amiconn: i'm reverting the commit |
| 00:35:00 | mattzz | JdGordon: I want to prevent repeated actions, so I save my button in button_pre but it does not work |
| 00:35:18 | mattzz | JdGordon: Can i use LAST_PLUGINLIB_ACTION instead? |
| 00:35:24 | amiconn | LinusN: I wonder what's going on there... |
| 00:35:31 | LinusN | amiconn: me too |
| 00:35:56 | LinusN | it could be bad handling of deleted files or something |
| 00:35:57 | amiconn | I only get this behaviour on the internal flash (which is fat16, but since this is not in the root dir I don't see why that should matter) |
| 00:36:06 | JdGordon | mattzz: LAST_PLA doesnt return the last value.... its just a placeholder... |
| 00:36:09 | JdGordon | how me your code |
| 00:36:13 | amiconn | ...and it happens in a whole bunch of dirs |
| 00:36:49 | LinusN | amiconn: in any case, i have reverted the changes, so we can debug it in peace |
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| 00:37:02 | Zagor | scorche: awake? |
| 00:38:02 | mattzz | JdGordon: mattzz.dyndns.org/twiki/pub/Projects/RockboxMemoryMonitor/mem_mon.c">http://mattzz.dyndns.org/twiki/pub/Projects/RockboxMemoryMonitor/mem_mon.c |
| 00:38:28 | mattzz | JdGordon: l. 346 |
| 00:38:37 | JdGordon | ok |
| 00:40:29 | JdGordon | ok, whats the problem? (apart from button_curr being unintitialised :P ) |
| 00:41:57 | mattzz | JdGordon: when I press and hold MEM_MON_MODE (=PLA_FIRE_REPEAT) the if-statement in line 348 is true. Thus the function is repeatedly entered :-/ |
| 00:42:33 | mattzz | JdGordon: I dont understand how this can be, because button_prev should equal button_curr then. |
| 00:42:58 | JdGordon | why dont you remove the PLA_FIRE_REPEAT from MEM_MN_MODE? |
| 00:43:40 | JdGordon | thats odd tho |
| 00:43:45 | mattzz | Because I need this "key" to switch the mode. PLA_FIRE has a different action than PLA_FIRE_REPEAT. |
| 00:43:58 | JdGordon | ah |
| 00:44:20 | mattzz | when I print out button_prev, it is always zero ... o_O |
| 00:44:39 | JdGordon | well, the only thing that looks odd is you dont set button_prev to ACTION_NONE to start with' |
| 00:44:40 | mattzz | button_curr = ox6e |
| 00:44:48 | amiconn | LinusN: The entries in question don't even cross sector boundaries (checked with winhex) - very puzzling... |
| 00:45:25 | amiconn | Two of them are located in the same sector |
| 00:45:57 | twist | is there a hack to change the scoll speed on an ipod? |
| 00:46:22 | mattzz | JdGordon: it used to work before I switched to PLA, which is odd |
| 00:46:40 | JdGordon | of course :p |
| 00:46:46 | JdGordon | blame it on the pla... :p |
| 00:46:58 | * | JdGordon woke up 10min ago... so is still out of it |
| 00:47:01 | twist | is there an ok hack to change the scoll speed on an ipod? |
| 00:48:16 | JdGordon | mattzz: have you tried putting some DEBUGF() 's in to watch what happens to the button_ vairables while ts running? |
| 00:48:28 | JdGordon | youll have to run it in the sim to do that tho |
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| 00:48:59 | mattzz | how do I use DEBUGF()? |
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| 00:49:57 | amiconn | LinusN: "Show all" makes /.rockbox/rocks show some more duplicated entries, for a total of 9 |
| 00:50:18 | amiconn | (things like brickmania.score, sudoku.ss etc) |
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| 00:50:22 | JdGordon | mattzz: exactly like printf... it outputs to the console in the sim |
| 00:50:32 | mattzz | great! |
| 00:52:12 | twist | is there an ok hack to change the scoll speed on an ipod? |
| 00:52:21 | twist | sorry to repeat. |
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| 00:53:40 | amiconn | LinusN: Very suspicious: All these 9 entries are located within one sector pair. I mean, *all* entries of this sector pair are shown twice |
| 00:53:46 | amiconn | (but deleted entries aren't shown) |
| 00:54:01 | LinusN | very interesting |
| 00:57:16 | mattzz | JdGordon: OK, I found the reason. Can I use pluginlib_getaction in a blocking way? |
| 00:57:37 | JdGordon | yes, one of the params whould be a timeout |
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| 00:57:42 | JdGordon | shoudl* |
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| 00:57:55 | JdGordon | use TIMEOUT_BLOCK |
| 00:59:17 | mattzz | JdGordon: yup, works like a charm! Thanks very much for debugging my code! |
| 00:59:28 | JdGordon | :) no problem |
| 00:59:50 | JdGordon | just a note.. you have to change the tabs to 4 spaces or it wont get commited :p |
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| 01:00:13 | JdGordon | .... rb coding guidlines |
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| 01:00:20 | mattzz | JdGordon: good hint, I will untabbify my source code immediately! |
| 01:00:25 | amiconn | LinusN: Same in another dir: all entries within one sector pair are shown twice - even those which don't have longname entries |
| 01:01:30 | amiconn | LinusN: Maybe the end check is wrong if the dir spans an odd number of sectors? |
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| 01:03:27 | amiconn | Nah, can't be, this dir is 4 sectors long |
| 01:03:38 | amiconn | (it's /.rockbox in case that matters) |
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| 01:04:23 | amiconn | But the duplicated entries are in the last pair |
| 01:04:26 | safetydan | hrm... stkov dircache |
| 01:04:39 | preglow | safetydan: people seem to be getting that somewhat often of late |
| 01:04:55 | safetydan | with the latest build too |
| 01:05:08 | safetydan | looks like I picked a bad time to upgrade since I also have the one before LinusN's revert |
| 01:05:15 | * | safetydan hunts for a paperclip |
| 01:05:30 | LinusN | amiconn: that's a clue |
| 01:06:43 | safetydan | oh goody, now I can't boot without getting stkov. Time to turn off dircache |
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| 01:08:32 | Zagor | colours are now "hashed" (rgb = the lowest four bits of first, last and middle char) |
| 01:08:47 | midkay | amiconn: what exactly is the xlcd lib? grayscale framework only? i get a data abort when i try to use it on my color target (iPod 5G) |
| 01:08:49 | Zagor | seems to work fairly ok |
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| 01:09:15 | amiconn | midkay: No, xlcd are extended lcd functions for the standard driver |
| 01:09:26 | LinusN | ok, i'll sleep on this |
| 01:09:28 | LinusN | nite all |
| 01:09:31 | preglow | nite |
| 01:09:40 | midkay | hrm. xlcd_filltriangle crashes rockbox. |
| 01:09:44 | amiconn | (scrolling and filled triangles) |
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| 01:10:04 | amiconn | midkay: Does cube.rock crash on the G5? |
| 01:10:15 | midkay | not last i checked. |
| 01:10:28 | midkay | nope. |
| 01:10:31 | amiconn | Then I guess you're doing sth wrong |
| 01:10:49 | amiconn | Do you call xlcd_init() before using xlcd_* functions? |
| 01:10:57 | midkay | oops. :) |
| 01:11:22 | preglow | someone should make a torus.rock, complete with gourad and phake phong shading :) |
| 01:11:24 | midkay | i guess i should just call that when the plugin initializes, right? |
| 01:11:26 | preglow | that would rock |
| 01:11:37 | preglow | phake/fake... |
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| 01:17:18 | amiconn | phake was phun ;) |
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| 01:19:23 | midkay | amiconn: ok, it works. thanks. |
| 01:19:44 | midkay | unfortunately not really a good solution.. |
| 01:20:33 | * | preglow out |
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| 01:29:53 | markun | preglow: someone just did some measurement.. the Gigabeat draws about the same current at 100MHz as 300MHz!! |
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| 01:33:09 | amiconn | markun: With 100% load in both cases? |
| 01:33:14 | amiconn | (i.e. no sleep() ) |
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| 01:38:05 | markun | amiconn: yes, running the plasma plugin |
| 01:38:26 | markun | or would the mpegplayer without limit be better? |
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| 02:18:56 | webguest10 | I have a Gigabeat F60 with the 20070128 build w/album art patch. I've noticed that with this build I get serious noise/distortion when enabling the eq. Has anyone else seen this? |
| 02:20:41 | linuxstb | Do you get the same problem with an official (unpatched) build? |
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| 02:21:37 | XavierGr | linuxstb: how's the default wps patch and compressed wps patch going? |
| 02:21:50 | webguest10 | i'll try |
| 02:22:13 | Llorean | webguest10: Make sure you're using the preamp properly, to lower the gain an equal amount to the highest raised band. |
| 02:23:51 | linuxstb | XavierGr: Nothing more than what's on the patch tracker. I would like to remove the limitation concerning file ordering in the tar file though. |
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| 02:30:17 | barrywardell | linuxstb, amiconn: i have a possibility for detecting the difference between power brick and computer on ipods...check UOG_OTGSC bit 9 |
| 02:30:24 | barrywardell | it works on my h10 at least |
| 02:30:41 | XavierGr | linuxstb: any commit plans? |
| 02:31:18 | JdGordon | barrywardell: oohh... I can test on the nano if you want |
| 02:32:14 | barrywardell | JdGordon: yes, sure. go ahead. the mem_mon plugin in the tracker might be of use...address 0xc50001a4 |
| 02:32:36 | barrywardell | or just use the UOG_OTGSC define in usb-target.h |
| 02:32:37 | webguest10 | Llorean, Linuxstb: I can reproduce the symptoms with the latest official build. I'm playing a song, nav to simply turn the eq on, and bamm noise/distortion. |
| 02:32:59 | JdGordon | :( i was hopeing for just a patch to compile and dump on to test... |
| 02:33:05 | Llorean | webguest10: And you have EQ settings that shouldn't cause distortion set? |
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| 02:33:38 | Llorean | Ouch |
| 02:33:45 | webguest10 | I would say yes only because, since I had to switch the battery off, everything is set to default. |
| 02:33:49 | Llorean | I don't get "distortion", so much as "Noises inducing physical pain" |
| 02:33:57 | barrywardell | JdGordon: FS #6586 |
| 02:34:06 | Llorean | Switching the battery off doesn't reset Rockbox's settings, since they're a file on disk |
| 02:34:18 | Llorean | linuxstb_: There's *definitely* an EQ problem here. |
| 02:34:18 | webguest10 | lol, I'm just glad I'm not the only one. |
| 02:34:39 | Llorean | linuxstb_: LS only, it seems |
| 02:34:43 | webguest10 | yeah, I forgot that was implemented. but no, it's flat. |
| 02:34:45 | barrywardell | JdGordon: compile that plugin, then navigate to the address i mentioned |
| 02:35:08 | JdGordon | ok, waiting for my ~ to finish backing up.. then i can do it |
| 02:35:28 | Llorean | linuxstb_: Scratch that, for some reason adjusting bands other than the LS don't update when you adjust them. =/ |
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| 02:35:37 | Llorean | The EQ is just very problematic it seems. |
| 02:36:07 | JdGordon | .. the patch doesnt patch SOURCES! :'( |
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| 02:36:40 | barrywardell | JdGordon: you can hang on a sec and i'll have a nice build for you ;) |
| 02:37:03 | JdGordon | dw, its building... |
| 02:37:15 | webguest10 | well, my job is done. the right people know about the problem. let me know if there's something I can do. thnx |
| 02:37:41 | Llorean | webguest10: You should still file a proper bug report. |
| 02:37:54 | JdGordon | doesnt it say something about this not being the place to file bug reports in the title? |
| 02:38:02 | Llorean | There's no guarantee word will get to someone who can fix it, but bug reports actually stay around. |
| 02:38:20 | Llorean | JdGordon: Only did for about 5 minutes. |
| 02:38:25 | JdGordon | oh ok |
| 02:38:34 | JdGordon | its too long so its off the window :p |
| 02:38:39 | webguest10 | will do. I wanted to post here in case others already knew about it and just didn't file the bug report. |
| 02:39:05 | Llorean | webguest10: For every bug, there should be a bug report if it's definitely a bug. |
| 02:40:48 | scorche | JdGordon: no...that was voted off |
| 02:42:19 | JdGordon | barrywardell: ok, im at the memory locatino.... what am i checking? |
| 02:42:56 | JdGordon | grr! it doesnt ignore the usb connectino |
| 02:43:21 | barrywardell | it should be 0031... with nothing connected |
| 02:43:31 | barrywardell | 002D with computer |
| 02:43:39 | barrywardell | 002F with power brick |
| 02:44:14 | barrywardell | JdGordon: I have a patch for the usb driver you can just test instead if you want? |
| 02:44:33 | JdGordon | that would be better :) |
| 02:44:48 | webguest10 | Llorean: I read that you recently acquired a Gigabeat. Are you able to reproduce the symptoms on other platforms? |
| 02:45:08 | barrywardell | JdGordon: barrywardell.net/assets/files/ipod-charger.patch">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/ipod-charger.patch |
| 02:45:28 | barrywardell | see if it ignores the power brick connection, but still detects real usb connection |
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| 02:46:10 | Llorean | webguest10: I'll go try |
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| 02:49:52 | JdGordon | barrywardell: nup, its ignoring the computer connection |
| 02:49:55 | Llorean | webguest10: Works fine on my H120 |
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| 02:51:38 | webguest10 | Llorean: cool, I just say it's GB specific and that it wasn't produced on an H120. |
| 02:52:03 | barrywardell | JdGordon: It is? that's disappointing. It works perfectly on my H10. I'm even using an ipod power brick with it! |
| 02:53:04 | JdGordon | that mem_ pluging doesnt update the screen enough |
| 02:54:07 | JdGordon | with nothing plugged its 00113d5f with the brick its 000d3d5f and usb is the same |
| 02:55:17 | webguest10 | good evening to all |
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| 03:01:32 | barrywardell | JdGordon: hmmm. with those values it shouldn't ignore either the brick or usb |
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| 03:02:01 | JdGordon | btw.... there was 0's after the f's but i got lazy |
| 03:02:23 | barrywardell | what you wrote is all that's relevant |
| 03:02:47 | JdGordon | :) |
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| 03:06:13 | barrywardell | JdGordon: i don't see why it's ignoring the connections. it should only do so if you get something like 000f3d5f. the middle f is the important one (ie. bit 9) |
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| 03:07:09 | JdGordon | that was with the patched usb-pp.c also |
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| 03:09:18 | barrywardell | i wonder if it works on any of the ipods. |
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| 03:16:26 | barrywardell | amiconn_: around? |
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| 03:18:01 | safetydan | man the eq is stuffed |
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| 03:18:17 | safetydan | any deviation from flat and the music starts skipping |
| 03:19:42 | safetydan | but wait, now it works fine |
| 03:19:45 | safetydan | weird |
| 03:22:11 | Llorean | safetydan: The EQ is really stuffed on Gigabeat right now |
| 03:22:49 | safetydan | this was on a h120 |
| 03:23:38 | Llorean | It worked fine on my H120 with the most recent SVN build |
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| 03:24:19 | safetydan | I'm using the one before the latest (i.e. the one before the fat.c revert) |
| 03:24:27 | safetydan | no wait, it is the latest now |
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| 03:25:20 | Llorean | I dunno. I had no problems with it, though I didn't do prolonged testing |
| 03:25:22 | safetydan | bah now I can't reproduce it |
| 03:25:49 | Llorean | Since the EQ was majorly stuffed the instant you moved the LS on the Gigabeat, I just tested the LS and a middle band for a few seconds, then said "Okay, it doesn't have the problem my gigabeat does." |
| 03:26:42 | safetydan | That was basically the problem I had. I enabled the EQ, tweaked the LS down 0.5 dB and the music started skipping. Set it to 0 dB skipping stops. |
| 03:26:53 | safetydan | Might be something the graphical screen is doing funny |
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| 03:28:00 | Llorean | When I tweaked it, it wasn't skipping so much as ear destroying shrieking. |
| 03:28:07 | safetydan | very strange that I can't repeat it now |
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| 03:28:26 | Llorean | Though it did *involve* skipping, and some of the original audio. |
| 03:28:34 | Llorean | There was just a lot of other stuff too. Bad stuff. |
| 03:29:11 | safetydan | It sounds like it *might* be the same bug but with slightly different symptoms on different targets. |
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| 03:30:12 | Llorean | That's kinda what I'm thinking too. |
| 03:32:08 | safetydan | dsp.c and eq.c haven't changed in weeks so it's not something there |
| 03:33:40 | safetydan | I wonder if a builder before January 26 would work. That was the last time playback.c changed, though the comment says "no functional changes" |
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| 03:35:05 | Soap | 12120? |
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| 03:36:37 | safetydan | Soap, actually the one before that |
| 03:36:51 | safetydan | well, I mean, the last build that didn't include the changes from 12120 |
| 03:38:23 | Soap | poop. ;) 12120 broke kernel on COP #6, and kernel on COP #7 + 12120 = bad mojo all around - so not knowing if KoCOP#7 or 12120 is the bad boy... |
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| 03:39:32 | Soap | I guess, If your problems are related to 12120, and KoCOP#7 is a clean sync...then all fingers point to 12120 inadventantly doing more than "code police and comment cleanup" |
| 03:41:10 | safetydan | Well it's just a guess at the moment. Needs someone with a gigabeat to check if the eq problems were there before 12120 |
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| 04:26:42 | Nimdae | http://www.woot.com/ |
| 04:26:43 | Nimdae | very nice |
| 04:26:54 | Nimdae | wish i didn't blow $200 in bossier city last weekend :( |
| 04:28:43 | orange | how well supported is it? |
| 04:28:45 | orange | in rockbox, I mean |
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| 04:44:08 | Doomed_9 | Nimdae i bought one hahah |
| 04:44:17 | Doomed_9 | i want to be able to rockbox it but i cant code :( |
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| 04:47:15 | webguest96 | hi. I have a 5.5g 30gb ipod video. How can I boot into the regular firmware? |
| 04:48:58 | fasmaie | hold select + play until it reboots, then before the apple comes up, put the hold on |
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| 05:31:14 | Terinjokes | anyone here have a 2GB iPod Nano firmware backup (mine got corrupted...) |
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| 06:03:06 | Terinjokes | so no one is going to help out a fellow rockboxer... |
| 06:03:42 | fasmaie | what do you need? |
| 06:04:20 | scorche | Terinjokes: no need to put people on a guilt trip... |
| 06:04:31 | fasmaie | :) |
| 06:04:53 | Terinjokes | no, i my ears hurt from the lack of music :P |
| 06:05:38 | Terinjokes | and its not like I didn't ask #kde and #ipodlinux as well |
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| 06:58:56 | ashes | i'd like my iriver to emulate a smart card |
| 06:59:24 | ashes | :) |
| 06:59:58 | perplexity | and I'd like mine to have a wifi interface, does not mean it's gonna happen tho ;) |
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| 09:27:59 | Bagder | me too |
| 09:28:34 | petur | wow... nice |
| 09:30:54 | petur | one nick color is not so readable (the flashy green) |
| 09:35:01 | markun | Doomed_9: you bought a Gigabeat S? |
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| 09:46:44 | * | Bagder removed DaurnImator from twiki now |
| 09:46:58 | daurnimator | o.o |
| 09:47:14 | Mikachu | JdGordon: something like this is already in svn right? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4929 |
| 09:47:23 | markun | Bagder: there is something wrong with the location of this wiki page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatPortPins |
| 09:47:27 | GodEater | if you're twiki'ing - how do you feel about fixing my associated email address Bagder? So I can reset my password ? |
| 09:47:49 | markun | it says "Main/" instead of "Main" in the patch |
| 09:47:51 | markun | path |
| 09:48:08 | Bagder | oh |
| 09:48:22 | JdGordon | Mikachu: ah that.. no that patch was to actually get plgins using the lib stuff.. it probably stilll would work |
| 09:48:39 | Mikachu | JdGordon: hm okay |
| 09:48:44 | JdGordon | hey daurnimator,you dont hav any laptop ddr or hard disks your trying to ge rd off do you? |
| 09:48:46 | daurnimator | Bagder: uncalled for! :S |
| 09:48:58 | JdGordon | fark this keyboard is horrible :p |
| 09:48:58 | Bagder | not at all |
| 09:49:02 | GodEater | does LinusN's work from last night require FS #6549 to be commited as well ? |
| 09:49:05 | daurnimator | what size hdd |
| 09:49:07 | Bagder | daurnimator: brought up here several times already |
| 09:49:26 | JdGordon | daurn: laptop. 2.5" |
| 09:49:43 | daurnimator | sorry, the 1 i have is... in my laptop |
| 09:49:52 | JdGordon | meany |
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| 09:51:38 | daurnimator | Bagder: i have had that nick on the wiki for ages :S |
| 09:51:43 | Bagder | I know |
| 09:51:52 | daurnimator | and no one has complained before (at least to me) |
| 09:51:53 | Bagder | but you've violated the rules for ages as well |
| 09:52:13 | JdGordon | we have an age rule on the wiki? |
| 09:52:19 | Bagder | haha |
| 09:52:34 | Bagder | ages as in during a long time |
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| 09:56:40 | GodEater | hmm, how long does twiki take to send out the reset password email usually ? |
| 09:56:43 | Mikachu | just pick quit in the menu |
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| 09:57:35 | decayedcell | Mikachu: okay, i'll do that. But the screen is too dark to find the menu lol |
| 09:58:08 | preglow | now what's this about the eq messing up on gigabeat |
| 09:58:49 | pondlife | Bagder: Nice IRC log layout on the website |
| 09:59:05 | Bagder | yeps, that's Zagor's new script |
| 09:59:16 | safetydan | preglow, it messed up on my h120 as well, but I can't reproduce that unfortunately |
| 09:59:53 | pondlife | OK, then shall I tell Zagor that the font size options don't work here (on a very bog-standard IE6/Win2K box) |
| 09:59:56 | pondlife | :) |
| 10:00 |
| 10:00:04 | preglow | well, weird |
| 10:00:10 | Bagder | hehe |
| 10:00:11 | preglow | at least it can't be my fault |
| 10:00:12 | preglow | i haven' |
| 10:00:22 | preglow | i haven't touched the eq code for yonks |
| 10:00:37 | pondlife | FYI - 'fontStyle' is null or not an object |
| 10:00:46 | Bagder | one yonk being 3.14 months, right? |
| 10:00:47 | safetydan | preglow, I don't think it's anything in dsp.c or eq.c. At the moment my guess is that commit 12120 wasn't as innocent as it seemed |
| 10:00:48 | Mikachu | it works fine in firefox |
| 10:01:02 | markun | anyone against removing the Chicago font? |
| 10:01:08 | Bagder | markun: kill it |
| 10:01:19 | preglow | Bagder: yep |
| 10:01:41 | preglow | seems i miscounted then, i haven't touched it for yonk :) |
| 10:01:48 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 10:02:02 | safetydan | if someone could try eq on gigabeat with revision 12119 of rockbox that'd be great |
| 10:02:04 | preglow | bAGHARG |
| 10:02:29 | preglow | windows that steal focus, why the HELL did they have to port that behaviour over to anything else than windows too |
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| 10:05:17 | markun | Bagder: do you remember which font nimbus was based on? |
| 10:05:31 | markun | The commit log says: Antonius Hellman (patch #1228206) |
| 10:05:46 | Bagder | no, I don't remember that |
| 10:06:04 | markun | do you still have access to the old patch tracker? |
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| 10:06:42 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 10:06:57 | markun | ah, xtal.. |
| 10:07:05 | markun | shall I remove that one as well then? |
| 10:07:21 | bluebrother | nice new irc log view :) |
| 10:07:25 | Bagder | if the license is bad or unclear, then I say yes |
| 10:07:35 | Bagder | but also since they're very limited character-wise |
| 10:07:40 | markun | yes |
| 10:08:05 | preglow | oh lord |
| 10:08:08 | preglow | someone needs to shoot me |
| 10:08:24 | JdGordon | markun: while your at it, you may as well remove hat giant font which is broken |
| 10:08:26 | * | petur aims |
| 10:08:31 | * | JdGordon cant remeber its name |
| 10:08:38 | bluebrother | are the text files still available for downloading? |
| 10:09:08 | safetydan | preglow, ? |
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| 10:09:36 | markun | JdGordon: the win_crox* fonts? |
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| 10:09:59 | JdGordon_ | yeah, the biggest one |
| 10:10:13 | JdGordon_ | 6hbo |
| 10:10:31 | bluebrother | how about adding a link to the plain file in the irc log reader? |
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| 10:11:29 | preglow | safetydan: just me being an idiot programmer, nothing rockbox based though |
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| 10:13:02 | markun | Bagder: do you know why the "since Aug 1st 2006" link for the commit log is broken? |
| 10:13:13 | * | Bagder checks |
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| 10:14:36 | Bagder | fixed |
| 10:15:57 | markun | preglow: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8534.0 |
| 10:17:55 | preglow | markun: as a matter of fact, i know the eq can make a high-pitched sound |
| 10:18:11 | preglow | at least it did, but i've added another couple of bits of precision to the filters in question since then |
| 10:18:53 | preglow | the low-shelf filter being the culprit |
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| 10:19:54 | preglow | ah, yes, but this is a late issue |
| 10:22:24 | kclaf | (fn'preglow): markun: as a matter of fact, i know the eq can make a high-pitched sound −−> I think I had that issue |
| 10:22:37 | Llorean | preglow: Similar things happen on the Gigabeat (LS, but if you turn on any other band, turn on the LS, turn off the LS, there's still some strangeness) |
| 10:22:53 | kclaf | when setting up the EQ on my ipod 5G, I had some strange sounds |
| 10:23:07 | Llorean | preglow: But the H100 series don't seem to be suffering from this, so it may be ARM specific (though safetydan experienced some skipping, but no high pitch screeching)? |
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| 10:24:36 | preglow | Llorean: if you turn off any band, that band will no longer process, so that sounds weird |
| 10:25:49 | preglow | anywho, arm actually has more precision than coldfire so should have fewer issues with sound, granted that the internal accumulators actually don't overflow |
| 10:25:55 | preglow | which might be possible, after all |
| 10:26:11 | preglow | that coldfire will handle gracefully |
| 10:26:34 | safetydan | what I had was basically skipping with the gaps filled with silence |
| 10:26:41 | safetydan | almost like the CPU wasn't keeping it |
| 10:26:42 | Llorean | preglow: Yeah, but if I turn on LS, turn on one of the peaks, turn off LS, the problem reduces but does not go away. If I turn on a peak alone, on the gigabeat at least, it doesn't seem to do much at all. |
| 10:26:45 | safetydan | keeping up even |
| 10:27:33 | preglow | Llorean: well, weird, it should really behave the same |
| 10:27:36 | preglow | after all, it's an arm |
| 10:27:46 | safetydan | Llorean, any chance you could try a build with revision 12119 on your gigabeat? |
| 10:28:02 | preglow | and to be honest, i'll be quite surprised if this is a problem with the eq code itself |
| 10:28:07 | preglow | brb |
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| 10:33:07 | Llorean | safetydan: Give me a couple minutes |
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| 10:34:12 | Llorean | preglow: It's possible you should ignore that. I can't reproduce anything but the LS being really painful now |
| 10:34:49 | preglow | painful? |
| 10:35:13 | Llorean | In the latest CVS, if you enable the LS at all on the Gigabeat you get some painful noise. |
| 10:35:37 | Llorean | Like a very loud... almost like it's buzzing or clipping |
| 10:35:47 | preglow | is the sound recognizable at all? |
| 10:35:56 | Llorean | Yes |
| 10:36:09 | Llorean | Er, no |
| 10:36:21 | preglow | as in, can you detect some of the original music/sound in it? |
| 10:36:24 | Llorean | Wait, yes it definitely is, but the noise is so loud it's very hard to hear, relative to it. |
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| 10:36:40 | preglow | hrm |
| 10:36:45 | Llorean | The buzzing constantly increases in pitch. |
| 10:37:20 | preglow | well, it really is quite improbable that the eq routines work on other arms, but not gigabeat, so i'd count on something messing up the filter history/coefs or something for now |
| 10:39:28 | Llorean | preglow: well http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8534.0 is another ARM |
| 10:40:23 | Llorean | safetydan: How can I revert to a specific revision with SVN? |
| 10:40:29 | preglow | well, in the case it bugs out on all arms, the eq code still hasn't changed for months |
| 10:40:33 | safetydan | Llorean, svn update -r 12119 |
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| 10:40:55 | Llorean | safetydan: Update... okay. I was trying to guess which command it was. |
| 10:40:59 | Llorean | preglow: Gotcha |
| 10:41:20 | amiconn | LinusN: Thinking a bit more about your reverted approach, I found that there is a fundamental problem with always reading sectors in pairs. |
| 10:41:42 | LinusN | amiconn: i have been thinking aboiut that too |
| 10:41:47 | preglow | and the last time i updated the eq, i made sure to scan the entire parameter range to make sure overflowing should not occur |
| 10:41:53 | amiconn | On volumes with single-sector clusters, directories with an odd number of sectors would need special handling |
| 10:42:02 | LinusN | amiconn: exactly |
| 10:42:15 | LinusN | and it sucks! :-) |
| 10:42:21 | safetydan | preglow, I think I have an idea of what's going on. What would happen if the default cutoff value for the low-shelf was 0? |
| 10:42:28 | preglow | safetydan: something bad |
| 10:42:42 | safetydan | well guess what the default is after JdGordon's settings update? :) |
| 10:42:48 | preglow | hashahah |
| 10:43:02 | preglow | the filters don't handle 0 as a cutoff at all |
| 10:43:08 | preglow | it's not a value you should ever pass |
| 10:43:24 | * | amiconn thinks that with sector caching in ata.c, there would already be a working rockbox on G5.5/80 |
| 10:43:26 | Llorean | Alright, I'll skip copying 12119 to my player for now then |
| 10:43:37 | safetydan | Llorean, probably. Sorry about the wild goose chase |
| 10:43:56 | Llorean | safetydan: Nah, it's always worth testing something if it needs testing. That's why I've got all these varying players. :) |
| 10:43:59 | LinusN | amiconn: yes, but i think sector caching is the wrong way to solve this |
| 10:44:22 | amiconn | I'm still not convinced. fat.c seems to be more complex than it looks |
| 10:44:42 | amiconn | I agree that this 3-sector memcpy()ing buffer is ugly though |
| 10:45:38 | LinusN | i think sector caching would solve the issues with the complex ata.c by adding more complexity |
| 10:46:33 | safetydan | woo, I have commit access |
| 10:46:52 | * | Llorean cheers |
| 10:47:12 | * | LinusN pheers |
| 10:47:13 | safetydan | I wasn't sure if Bagder allowed me back in after the mailing list debacle :) |
| 10:48:05 | Bagder | :-) |
| 10:49:50 | amiconn | booh, someone removed my xtal-14 :( |
| 10:50:08 | * | LinusN makes his evil chuckle |
| 10:51:09 | amiconn | markun: Are you sure xtal-14 has a proper replacement? I made xtal-14 for exactly one purpose: I need a 14px font |
| 10:52:15 | | Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 10:52:22 | amiconn | ...because 14px is ideal for 4 lines on the archos lcd with status bar enabled |
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| 10:57:02 | XavierGr | safetydan: ml debacle? |
| 10:57:30 | safetydan | safetydan, I replied to the list rather than privately to Bagder with my wanted svn login details |
| 10:57:44 | XavierGr | ah yeah I remember that :P |
| 10:57:49 | Llorean | He takes the 'open' part of 'open-source' very seriously. |
| 10:57:54 | XavierGr | ROFL |
| 10:57:59 | safetydan | ha |
| 10:58:09 | XavierGr | it was hilarious I must say, it made my day ;) |
| 10:58:25 | XavierGr | but these sort of things can happen |
| 10:58:35 | XavierGr | the power of a habbit |
| 10:58:46 | Mikachu | cursed habbitses |
| 11:00 |
| 11:00:04 | * | Llorean rolls a new Gigabeat build to try out the fix |
| 11:00:11 | * | XavierGr goes to try and commit with safetydan's previously-confessed-in-ml password! :P |
| 11:00:49 | safetydan | luckily it was randomly generated so not important |
| 11:00:53 | * | safetydan hugs pwgen |
| 11:01:05 | XavierGr | hmm I must try one of these |
| 11:01:15 | XavierGr | too many passwords to handle these days |
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| 11:03:53 | XavierGr | it seems that there are 2 pwgen projects |
| 11:04:19 | XavierGr | an open-source and a commercial one |
| 11:04:41 | safetydan | XavierGr, I just use the one that apt-get install pwgen gives me |
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| 11:05:30 | XavierGr | safetydan: I am in Windows ;P |
| 11:05:37 | XavierGr | no golden apt-get here |
| 11:05:43 | preglow | there is a need for a commercial pwgen???? |
| 11:05:45 | * | Genre9mp3 enjoys the new irc log reader atm :) |
| 11:06:21 | preglow | hrm |
| 11:06:39 | Mikachu | the commercial one seems to also be a manager |
| 11:06:39 | Genre9mp3 | I use my mind for pswd generation :P |
| 11:06:39 | * | preglow wonders how fixed point works with exponentiation |
| 11:06:43 | preglow | would anyone happen to know? |
| 11:07:10 | preglow | doing 10^(fixedpointnumber) will yield a very, very large number |
| 11:07:46 | Mikachu | don't you have to write a 10_exp_fixedpoint() first? |
| 11:08:14 | preglow | that's what i'm wondering |
| 11:08:25 | * | petur stores all his stuff in tombo - there's both a windows and pocketpc version and it uses blowfish |
| 11:08:33 | Mikachu | it was my understanding that most fp operations needed specially written functions |
| 11:08:39 | Llorean | safetydan: The only problem being that changing the defaults doesn't help much since settings don't reset any more. |
| 11:08:45 | preglow | Mikachu: most arithmetic just uses the regular operators |
| 11:09:12 | preglow | Llorean: no, we'll need people to reset |
| 11:09:13 | amiconn | Hmm, this new irc log reader has too much colour for my taste... |
| 11:09:18 | Llorean | preglow: I already told them to on the forums. |
| 11:09:24 | preglow | amiconn: the colour helps me to see what i want, really |
| 11:09:30 | amiconn | Are the plain text logs still available for download somewhere |
| 11:09:52 | Llorean | Well, current.txt is at least. |
| 11:09:57 | preglow | Llorean: did a new default help before, though? it wouldn't reset then either, unless you bumped the version |
| 11:09:58 | Llorean | I think the plain logs *need* to be available though |
| 11:10:00 | Bagder | amiconn: they're still present like before I believe, just there are no links atm |
| 11:10:06 | amiconn | preglow: It looks like xchat - every nick has its own colour. One reason why I don't like xchat |
| 11:10:09 | safetydan | Llorean, ah, that is a bit of a problem |
| 11:10:13 | LinusN | amiconn: how big is your fat16 partition? |
| 11:10:17 | preglow | xchat is crap |
| 11:10:22 | Bagder | amiconn: xchat doesn't _have to_ do that you know |
| 11:10:26 | Mikachu | surely that function is optional in xchat |
| 11:10:34 | Bagder | I disabled it a long time ago |
| 11:10:38 | LinusN | i like xchat, and i use coloured nicks |
| 11:10:41 | preglow | and i just use good, good irssi |
| 11:10:44 | amiconn | Bagder: Yes, true, but xchat doesn't allow to use colours the way I would want them |
| 11:10:47 | Llorean | preglow: That's true. Being a slight bastard, I would've bumped the version to force a reset if I felt I couldn't depend on users to do it. |
| 11:11:00 | amiconn | Hydrairc does, though |
| 11:11:12 | preglow | well, we'll just have to be more careful with the default settings from now on |
| 11:11:13 | Bagder | I don't like colored nicks at all |
| 11:11:25 | amiconn | LinusN: It's just the internal flash of the Ondio, i.e. ~122MB ("128MB") |
| 11:11:30 | preglow | i like having them coloured when someone speaks to me, and that's pretty much that |
| 11:11:34 | preglow | found it neat in the reader, though |
| 11:11:38 | Bagder | yeah, that's what I use too |
| 11:11:40 | LinusN | amiconn: can i have a binary dump for testing? |
| 11:11:54 | amiconn | Hmm, not now |
| 11:11:59 | LinusN | ok |
| 11:12:07 | amiconn | I could make a dump, but I'd need a place to upload it |
| 11:12:17 | Llorean | I see our colored logs have left me with a nice, vibrant magenta. Joy. |
| 11:12:24 | Bagder | hehe |
| 11:12:30 | Bagder | time to change nick! ;-) |
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| 11:12:38 | preglow | Llorean: well, by way of having chosen that nick, you asked for it! |
| 11:12:39 | Paul_the_Nerd | Hah, I came prepared |
| 11:13:03 | scorche | looks nice |
| 11:13:03 | | Nick Paul_the_Nerd is now known as Llorean (n=Llorean@rockbox/administrator/Llorean) |
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| 11:13:32 | Mikachu | confusing that the script doesn't show nick changes |
| 11:14:02 | scorche | i dont have a color.. |
| 11:14:38 | preglow | you asked for it too! |
| 11:14:43 | * | amiconn would like if the reader were configurable |
| 11:14:53 | Bagder | amiconn: it is somewhat |
| 11:15:11 | Llorean | scorche: I think you're a very dark purplish. |
| 11:15:12 | Bagder | and could be made even more if you just whine on Zagor ;-) |
| 11:16:29 | Bagder | .nick_scorche { color: #325 } |
| 11:16:34 | * | amiconn likes the colouring scheme of hydra: black for normal nicks & text, dark green for joins, dark red for quits/parts, violet for actions |
| 11:16:35 | Bagder | :-) |
| 11:16:45 | preglow | white background???? |
| 11:16:49 | amiconn | And then I have some personal highlights |
| 11:16:56 | amiconn | preglow: Yes of course |
| 11:17:04 | * | preglow vomits |
| 11:17:43 | Mikachu | black with white text if user agent is linux :) |
| 11:18:26 | Genre9mp3 | preglow: What's wrong with white background? |
| 11:18:38 | preglow | nothing wrong per se, it's just that i'd never use it |
| 11:18:38 | preglow | hehe |
| 11:18:52 | preglow | i prefer black backgrounds for text based stuff |
| 11:18:56 | preglow | nicer and easier on the eyes |
| 11:19:20 | * | amiconn has quite the opposite impression |
| 11:19:33 | amiconn | White text on black causes quite some eyestrain |
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| 11:20:03 | GodEater | Llorean: I'd rather be magenta than turd brown =/ |
| 11:20:27 | * | scorche sides with preglow |
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| 11:21:05 | preglow | i've been using black backgrounds for console stuff for ages now and still don't need glasses, so i'll just go for me being right :P |
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| 11:21:12 | Mikachu | it's a good thing we can all choose for ourselves then!! |
| 11:22:11 | XavierGr | bagder, preglow: then I guess that you won't like this much at all: |
| 11:22:13 | XavierGr | http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mircek0.png |
| 11:22:28 | preglow | ghah! |
| 11:22:37 | Mikachu | for so many reasons |
| 11:22:38 | XavierGr | my special little script to already read what the big ones have to say :P |
| 11:22:42 | * | LinusN throws up |
| 11:22:47 | preglow | and mirc too! |
| 11:22:54 | petur | yuck |
| 11:22:57 | XavierGr | lol |
| 11:23:01 | * | Bagder faints |
| 11:23:03 | Genre9mp3 | mirc is cool |
| 11:23:20 | XavierGr | it is the most comfortable thing I've done to read all those logs |
| 11:23:38 | XavierGr | now I can skip all the chit-chat and watch carefully on real dev discussion |
| 11:23:48 | preglow | haha |
| 11:23:58 | preglow | no chit-chat from me, no siree |
| 11:24:06 | preglow | coffeecoffeecoffee |
| 11:24:16 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: So, am I one of the "big ones" ??? :P |
| 11:24:42 | XavierGr | I just press page down repeteadly and stop when I see one of my favorite highlighted nicks :P |
| 11:24:57 | XavierGr | Genre9mp3: you are not on the big ones, you are on the familiar ones hehe |
| 11:25:48 | preglow | that screenshot really does give me an impression of the number of people in here, though |
| 11:25:51 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: your IRC client makes people sick though... we have already one vomit and one faint |
| 11:26:00 | markun | amiconn: I just checked and xtal was in fact replaced by nimbus-14, not nedore.. |
| 11:27:34 | XavierGr | Genre9mp3: well at least I am not alone in using it :P |
| 11:27:57 | kclaf | hmmm −−- this is a bigone test −−- please ignore −−- |
| 11:28:19 | XavierGr | kclaf: there is the #test channel for these kind of stuff :) |
| 11:28:27 | kclaf | ;D |
| 11:29:00 | kclaf | i mean that was a test for your script, I'm waiting for the screenshot |
| 11:29:16 | kclaf | but well, let me stop acting stupid ;) |
| 11:29:28 | Bagder | permission granted |
| 11:32:18 | * | sneakums forces his browser to use light on dark with generally pleasing results |
| 11:34:26 | * | markun does the same for his pdf viewer |
| 11:34:58 | sneakums | i direly need evince to be able to do that |
| 11:36:17 | sneakums | when i had os x on this machine i'd run it now and then with the accessibility setting that turns the screen greyscale |
| 11:36:21 | sneakums | very restful |
| 11:37:45 | markun | amiconn: I also would like to remove atadore because that one is in fact replaced by nedore. Any objections? |
| 11:38:42 | markun | and I think I could remove rockfont-8 as well (replaced by namil) |
| 11:38:56 | Llorean | decayedcell: I wasn't "flaming" w1ll14m's patch. I was pointing out that it isn't appropriate for that thread. |
| 11:39:02 | amiconn | I always use rockfont-8 and xtal-14 |
| 11:39:17 | amiconn | I don't think anything replaces rockfont-8 |
| 11:39:20 | Llorean | Whether he's just trying to help out or not, trying to fix the frequency scaling freeze is *different* from trying to reduce playback skips. |
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| 11:40:17 | markun | amiconn: you think the changes in namil make it look worse? |
| 11:40:39 | | Part kaaloo |
| 11:41:07 | markun | aha, rockbfont-8 is fixed width and namil isn't, right? |
| 11:41:18 | amiconn | No, rockfont-8 is proportional |
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| 11:43:19 | amiconn | namil-8 squeezes the letters horizontally. Too much for my taste |
| 11:44:32 | markun | yes, for mine too |
| 11:44:49 | amiconn | Nimbus-14 instead of xtal-14 looks ok |
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| 11:45:27 | markun | amiconn: some glyphs in namil (like 'i') are completely different from rockfont |
| 11:51:17 | markun | amiconn: and I think the 'a' in the nedore fonts is wrong, looks much better in the atadore fonts |
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| 12:00:08 | gook | Bagder: thanks for committing nimbus-19. BTW: since the font activities are going on I'd like to point to the FS task 5982 which seems to fix something in nimbus-12 and nimbus-14. I haven't tried it though. |
| 12:00:15 | tucoz | markun: if you are going to remove fonts, will you change the wps's that uses those fonts as well then? |
| 12:00:51 | tucoz | if there are any, that is |
| 12:01:27 | amiconn | LinusN: ping... |
| 12:02:11 | markun | tucoz: good point |
| 12:02:13 | gook | markun: FS task 5982 might also be for you |
| 12:02:14 | Llorean | On an unrelated note to everything, January '07 is now officially the month of the most forum registrations to date. Take that how you will. |
| 12:02:50 | markun | gook: thanks, I'll check it out (later) |
| 12:03:32 | tucoz | Llorean: how many registrations so far? |
| 12:04:47 | Llorean | tucoz: 772 new members this month. |
| 12:05:37 | tucoz | wow. rockbox is really starting to gather up a crowd of (potential) users |
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| 12:06:23 | Llorean | Well, the Sansa thread has nearly twice as many views as the next one down. I do wish it'd show me "views this month" though, the stats are kinda neat. |
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| 12:35:38 | decayedcell | Llorean okay point taken, btw i like the new IRC log thing |
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| 12:38:56 | JdGordon_ | Bagder: should the UsingSVN page on the wiki really be UsingSubversion ? (i thought svn was an abrev and subversion is its actual name) |
| 12:39:18 | Bagder | perhaps, but renaming pages all the time is not good |
| 12:39:46 | Bagder | and UsingSubversion has been used for a long time for another purpose |
| 12:40:26 | Llorean | Not to mention, svn is the command that most users thing of at the console. |
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| 12:40:38 | Llorean | So it's clear enough what the page is for |
| 12:41:06 | Bagder | CVS is also an abbrevation |
| 12:41:08 | Bagder | :-) |
| 12:41:13 | Llorean | Yup |
| 12:41:37 | Soap | the only confusion I can see it causing is "apt-get install svn" |
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| 12:42:10 | Llorean | I think anyone trying to apt-get hopefully can figure it out, and anywhere our guides might suggest it should say "apg-get install subversion" anyway. |
| 12:42:13 | Mikachu | if someone wants to use svn they should be able to think a little bit for themselves |
| 12:42:14 | Llorean | Assuming they even do |
| 12:43:37 | Soap | oh - I wasn't trying to suggest that momentary confusion was a deal breaker - far from it. |
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| 12:44:38 | Soap | besides, look how far confusion has gotten many politicians. ;) |
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| 12:45:27 | Llorean | Honestly, I'm surprised nobody has yet asked where the daily builds went. |
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| 12:46:09 | webguest21 | in respect to the daily/current builds actually... i am having a really hard time using them, and have been since earlier this month... they simply don't load for me |
| 12:46:22 | webguest21 | since january 12 actually |
| 12:46:41 | Llorean | webguest21: "Don't load" as in what exactly? You haven't given us a target, or exactly what they DO do. |
| 12:46:49 | webguest21 | ipod color |
| 12:46:56 | webguest21 | will not load |
| 12:46:59 | webguest21 | the firmware |
| 12:47:08 | Genre9mp3 | JdGordon: I wanted to ask you... have you abandoned the timetable plugin? |
| 12:47:22 | Soap | does mikeage's unsupported no-scaling build load for you webguest21? |
| 12:47:24 | webguest21 | I am unsure how else to describe it other than the firmware simply not loading |
| 12:47:30 | JdGordon | for the time being.... semester starts again in 4 weeks so i might take it up again... why? |
| 12:47:32 | webguest21 | it does... |
| 12:47:50 | webguest21 | im just wondering why current builds don't work |
| 12:47:55 | webguest21 | they used to |
| 12:47:57 | Genre9mp3 | I recently tested it on my H300 but saving doesn't seem to work |
| 12:48:01 | Llorean | webguest21: They didn't work well. |
| 12:48:04 | Llorean | It's still the same problem. |
| 12:48:07 | webguest21 | true |
| 12:48:07 | Llorean | It's just more apparent now. |
| 12:48:08 | JdGordon | Genre9mp3: the reason i dumped it ws because I was too lazy to redo the drawing so it worked on the lcd remote |
| 12:48:33 | webguest21 | oh ok, I was just mostly looking for confimation |
| 12:48:45 | Soap | webguest21: which bootloader are you using? black text on light blue background or white text on black background? |
| 12:48:55 | Genre9mp3 | JdGordon: I'm not able to save a .tt file though so I can't actually use it |
| 12:49:10 | webguest21 | I believe white on black |
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| 12:49:15 | JdGordon | hmm ok |
| 12:49:21 | webguest21 | as in text and bg respectively |
| 12:49:27 | Genre9mp3 | and I don't know the format of a .tt file to see if it can read it at least |
| 12:49:41 | webguest21 | i've been having funky results, that's why im somewhat unsure |
| 12:49:45 | Genre9mp3 | so I can edit it on PC and just use that |
| 12:50:00 | webguest21 | right now its white text on a black background though |
| 12:50:02 | Soap | just curious webguest21, I don't have an answer based on bootloader, just trying to collect all the information I can. |
| 12:50:15 | webguest21 | no problem |
| 12:50:39 | Llorean | It's most likely just the frequency scaling problem. |
| 12:50:42 | webguest21 | no rush at all; i'm curious as well |
| 12:50:45 | webguest21 | yeah |
| 12:50:48 | webguest21 | seems to be |
| 12:50:56 | decayedcell | webguest21 - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6095 |
| 12:51:04 | webguest21 | oh well, i'll just stick with the no scaling then |
| 12:51:16 | decayedcell | that should work too |
| 12:51:21 | Soap | yea, Llorean, it is just that the number of people with failure-to-boot seems to be increasing. |
| 12:52:04 | decayedcell | Soap is this the original firmware or rockbox or both? |
| 12:52:06 | webguest21 | I'll give it a shot; I want to learn compiling, so I can make my own builds; in time.. when midterms are over |
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| 12:52:28 | Llorean | Soap: Yes, but that doesn't mean that there's a new problem, just that the problem is more frustrating now. |
| 12:52:33 | decayedcell | webguest21 its pretty easy when you get the hang of it, cygwin is good to start with on windows |
| 12:52:53 | Soap | I know that Llorean, just collecting information, not drawing conclusions. |
| 12:53:06 | webguest21 | sure, and there's pretty solid instructions on the wiki isn't there? |
| 12:53:34 | webguest21 | I've tried it once, but I just didn't quite have the time to get it going |
| 12:53:48 | * | Soap does not understand the attraction to cygwin. VMWare and CoLinux are so much faster and easier. VMWare being the easiest. |
| 12:53:49 | decayedcell | webguest21 if they're not solid enough, then you can complain here, or fix it up yourself :p |
| 12:53:59 | webguest21 | of course |
| 12:54:07 | decayedcell | Soap: its because cygwin runs on windows, no need to install the other stuff |
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| 12:54:27 | Soap | CoLinux runs on windows, and IS linux and Is 5-10x faster. |
| 12:54:30 | decayedcell | though a real linux install is a lot faster :p |
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| 12:54:33 | webguest21 | thanks for the help |
| 12:54:44 | decayedcell | hmm okay then.. i suppose its not as well known then? |
| 12:54:55 | Llorean | Soap: Cygwin is smaller than either, isn't it? |
| 12:55:06 | Soap | Llorean: ahh - you have me there. |
| 12:55:07 | decayedcell | depends on the packages you install |
| 12:55:31 | Genre9mp3 | Only drawback of using VMware is that you need 2GB of space for the image file |
| 12:55:36 | Llorean | decayedcell: And VMWare just requires installing the VMWare player, runs much faster than cygwin, and the image is completely enclosed so it's easy to clean up after. |
| 12:55:39 | Soap | I never go my cygwin install (with source) above 1GB. |
| 12:55:43 | amiconn | Soap: cygwin runs directly under windows, so I can use my favourite editor and don't have to access the source files via samba |
| 12:55:54 | amiconn | (which would be a problem w/o the vm running) |
| 12:56:06 | Soap | bah - samba makes it just like another drive - can still use your favorite editor! |
| 12:56:11 | Genre9mp3 | samba works quite well though |
| 12:56:21 | scorche | Soap: but you ahve to ahve the vm running |
| 12:56:22 | Soap | oh - yea - w/o the vm running is a different issue. |
| 12:56:23 | decayedcell | Llorean cygwin is really only limited to one folder I believe |
| 12:56:32 | amiconn | Soap: Yes, and all programs become dead slow if they remember the share and it isn't available |
| 12:56:39 | Soap | unless you mount a windows drive as your /home..... |
| 12:56:45 | amiconn | Also, vmware / colinux need far more ram than cygwin |
| 12:56:47 | Llorean | decayedcell: True. It's a lot more frustrating to deal with in regards to configuration than the VMWare kit though, just because it seems so easy for users to mess up. |
| 12:57:00 | Llorean | But I think each has its points. |
| 12:57:06 | Soap | amiconn: ? colinux never uses more that 32, and isn't allowed to use more than 64. |
| 12:57:08 | Llorean | I used to use Cygwin, but this computer is quite happy with VMWare. |
| 12:57:35 | Soap | I rarely see it use more than 16. |
| 12:57:51 | Genre9mp3 | I used to use Cygwin, too but after using VMware it seems to me that is really slow so never went back |
| 12:58:59 | Genre9mp3 | besides I apt-get installed gedit so I can edit my files easily without using samba |
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| 13:00:53 | Llorean | Honestly, I don't like the fact that the coLinux image uses "getsvn" and "rbconf" |
| 13:01:05 | XavierGr | I can't change my habbit of using Notepad2 as my editor of choice |
| 13:01:10 | decayedcell | has anyone else noticed here on the 5G ipod with regards to scrolling - when you scroll its fast for a few pages, but then it lags and slows down. Then you stop and then start scrolling again and its fast? |
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| 13:01:28 | linuxstb | Llorean: You don't have to use those commands though do you? Can't we just change the instructions? |
| 13:01:31 | XavierGr | so I still open the files on VMware from Windows |
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| 13:01:56 | lachlan123 | decaydcell: Nope, mine seemed slow all the time |
| 13:01:58 | linuxstb | decayedcell: It's because the scheduler gives priority to audio decoding. |
| 13:02:03 | Llorean | linuxstb: You don't have to, but the wiki page tells users to use them, which means they're in trouble if they start there and move to another development environment for RB. |
| 13:02:26 | linuxstb | Llorean: I agree - but I'm saying we can simply change the instructions without needing to change the colinux image. |
| 13:02:36 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 13:03:49 | XavierGr | it is getting late, time to get a nap, the night will be long today |
| 13:03:51 | XavierGr | later all |
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| 13:04:59 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: night? |
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| 13:14:05 | idnar | hmm, can rockbox handle wavpack? |
| 13:14:13 | scorche | yes |
| 13:14:38 | daurnimator | not hybrid with the wvc |
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| 13:52:04 | amiconn | LinusN: ping... |
| 13:52:26 | whatboutbob | Greetings all. I've a random question. I don't suppose we have any Norwegians in here atm? |
| 13:52:51 | Bagder | I bet we do |
| 13:54:38 | hachi | I always want to turn the term 'norwegian' into 'norfolk'... but then I remember that norfolk is just the name of the planet in metroid. |
| 13:54:41 | whatboutbob | A developer friend of mine is heading over to Norway to work for 6 months - doesn't speak a word of Norwegian...just wondering if you guys would have input on his chances of finding work? |
| 13:55:06 | markun | whatboutbob: talk to preglow |
| 13:55:21 | whatboutbob | asp.net, ruby on rails, php...he's pretty flexible... |
| 13:55:22 | Bagder | I would think that the IT market is hot over there too |
| 13:56:16 | whatboutbob | he's just concerned that (verbal) language will be a barrier... |
| 13:56:25 | whatboutbob | any thoughts? ...anyone? |
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| 13:56:46 | * | Bagder can't comment on that for Norway |
| 13:57:19 | preglow | people speak english well here |
| 13:57:23 | preglow | if he does that, then hooray |
| 13:58:36 | whatboutbob | mwaha...thanks preglow. i know most scandinavians speak english better than most aussies...i just wasn't sure if it would be an issue in the workplace. |
| 13:58:38 | preglow | people in it especially very seCldom have problems, i even know of companies where they primarily speak english |
| 13:58:44 | LinusN | hehe, i just found a copy of the department's policy at work |
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| 13:59:09 | LinusN | "the cornerstone is 'do it right the first time'" |
| 13:59:24 | LinusN | the document itself has revision 3 :-) |
| 13:59:27 | whatboutbob | any ideas on where he could start looking for work? (he's mentioned that most websites he's looked at are...unsurprisingly...in norwegian. |
| 13:59:35 | Bagder | haha |
| 13:59:36 | Hotfusion | wow do it right the first time |
| 13:59:36 | preglow | whatboutbob: at least i can't possibly imagine it being a problem, almost all job positions require a good knowledge of english these days |
| 13:59:41 | Hotfusion | sounds like a smart company :) |
| 13:59:53 | preglow | heh |
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| 14:00:13 | preglow | whatboutbob: i don't really know how you'd go about that being a foreigner |
| 14:00:22 | preglow | but there's got to be tons of people who do know |
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| 14:00:38 | ^BeN^ | mm how do i make a patch with the svn? |
| 14:00:40 | preglow | brb |
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| 14:01:14 | JdGordon | Paprica: svn diff |
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| 14:01:21 | Paprica | ok |
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| 14:01:53 | Paprica | and when i have new files? |
| 14:02:17 | Paprica | haha i forgot anything |
| 14:02:44 | Bagder | then svn add the files before you svn diff |
| 14:02:49 | whatboutbob | I've worked for a few places who's policy would be closer to: "Do it right the first time....unless it is going to cost too much money...then take the cheaper option...and spend much more time and money on fixing it later." |
| 14:03:09 | Paprica | ok |
| 14:03:15 | bluebrother | diff -u /dev/null new.file >> my.patch |
| 14:03:23 | bluebrother | should work also :) |
| 14:03:42 | Bagder | yeps |
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| 14:04:06 | Bagder | or just the good old "diff -ruN dir1 dir2 > dump" |
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| 14:05:49 | gook | LinusN: and what if the aim was to get the revision 3? Then they did it right! ;-) |
| 14:05:57 | LinusN | that must be it |
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| 14:06:19 | LinusN | but did they get to revision 3 the first time? |
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| 14:06:35 | gook | LinusN: and then they'll declare the goal to be rev. 4, 5 etc. |
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| 14:07:23 | gook | In the beginning, the goal is rev. 1. Then the goal is adjusted according to circumstances. |
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| 14:07:53 | gook | So the main issue is to get the goal right. |
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| 14:08:48 | justjohnny68 | markun: Hi, in response to your Chicago font query. I'm using it for my ROCKboxed theme, and don't include it in my zip. Are you talking about taking it out of the daily builds fonts archive? |
| 14:09:08 | Llorean | justjohnny68: It's already out of it. |
| 14:10:19 | Paprica | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6599 my new game is waiting for commit :P |
| 14:10:40 | markun | justjohnny68: ha! I wanted to talk to you :) |
| 14:10:49 | justjohnny68 | Ahh, okay, repackage time. |
| 14:11:34 | justjohnny68 | I'm actually re-creating the font in FontForge and extending it to include latin1 extended characters |
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| 14:12:05 | markun | justjohnny68: don't do that |
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| 14:12:13 | markun | justjohnny68: did you get my MP? |
| 14:12:20 | markun | eh.. PM :) |
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| 14:14:07 | markun | Bagder: oops, svn didn't really understand I was trying to use UTF-8 |
| 14:14:15 | linuxstb | Paprica: Is there a reason you've not used the existing Solitaire bitmaps? |
| 14:14:59 | Paprica | my game have smaller cards |
| 14:15:03 | Bagder | markun: you mean the html table stuff? |
| 14:15:03 | justjohnny68 | Hi Markun, was asleep when it came in. Just switched screens and saw it |
| 14:15:28 | Bagder | obviously it didn't grok that... |
| 14:15:35 | muesli__ | JdGordon whats the time down there? |
| 14:16:24 | JdGordon | 12.16am |
| 14:16:28 | linuxstb | Paprica: Doesn't solitaire have different sized bitmaps already though? |
| 14:17:13 | Paprica | yes it does but not with my size of card |
| 14:17:14 | muesli__ | mmh...that guy told me 2am..but 10hours difference though... |
| 14:17:48 | Paprica | im sorry but i need to go to driving lessen... =\ |
| 14:17:55 | Paprica | CU |
| 14:18:39 | muesli__ | (all guys are strongly recommended to disappear from street *scr*) |
| 14:19:12 | JdGordon | muesli__: its 2am in new zealand now... maybe you got his location wrong? |
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| 14:19:42 | muesli__ | 61 3 9681 should be melbourne!? |
| 14:19:47 | JdGordon | yep |
| 14:19:47 | muesli__ | .+61 |
| 14:19:59 | markun | Bagder: yes |
| 14:19:59 | JdGordon | definatly melb... inner melb actually |
| 14:20:40 | muesli__ | well..i woke that guy, maybe he was out of bounce |
| 14:20:42 | JdGordon | Paprica: you just gave me a perfect reason to not buy my mum a rockboxable mp3 player... she is already addicted to spider solataire on the comp :p |
| 14:21:04 | JdGordon | muesli__: are you ringing random numbers? |
| 14:21:11 | muesli__ | lol..no... |
| 14:21:21 | muesli__ | a friend of mine |
| 14:23:19 | JdGordon | .. maybe he diverted his phone to nz ? |
| 14:23:38 | muesli__ | no..she was already sleeoing |
| 14:23:40 | muesli__ | p |
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| 14:31:25 | bluebrother | hmm. The website seems to have problems with utf8 characters in the recent svn logs |
| 14:31:40 | bluebrother | why not convert the website to utf8? |
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| 14:32:26 | bluebrother | viewvc uses utf8 for the pages. |
| 14:33:03 | jhMikeS | Hey all...been awhile. I'm curious why #ifdef HAVE_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING stuff was added to pcm_record.c if pcm_record.c is only included under the same conditions that #define HAVE_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING |
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| 14:33:41 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Because while that's true now, that condition can't be assumed for the future? |
| 14:33:47 | bluebrother | double safety net? ;-) |
| 14:34:26 | jhMikeS | Hehe. If you want that, there's more code that should be in the blocks. |
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| 14:38:57 | * | jhMikeS 's head has been too deep in sinc functions, integrators, filters, quantization noise shaping and emac and probably not deep enough yet. :P |
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| 14:45:29 | markun | jhMikeS: are you working on better resampling for rockbox? |
| 14:46:06 | jhMikeS | markun: Right now a bandlimited signal generator but knowledge there will likely lead to it. |
| 14:49:27 | * | jhMikeS is absolutely sure he'll have to mess around with that at some point |
| 14:49:31 | preglow | you won't be using the same technique |
| 14:49:34 | preglow | s |
| 14:50:10 | preglow | i'm starting to think we'll just go the iriver route with resampling |
| 14:50:36 | preglow | iir filter and interpolation when downsampling, fir filters when upsampling |
| 14:51:04 | preglow | both of which will be vastly slower than what we do now |
| 14:51:22 | preglow | also, we can't just precalc the coefs like iriver probably do :/ |
| 14:51:22 | jhMikeS | I'm sure I won't use the same technique but I think I'll understand how to approach and design things as a result. |
| 14:52:12 | preglow | and designing elliptical filters will probably be real, real fun in fixed point |
| 14:52:20 | preglow | it's a bloody nightmare in floating point, ffs |
| 14:53:52 | jhMikeS | well, I got the pulse synthesis pretty much perfect in fixed point with a noise floor around -120db or so. It's those integrators which thrive on low frequencies that are bugging me. :) |
| 14:55:15 | barrywardell_ | anyone know how i make the apple_os.ipod file for booting the ipod firmware from a file on disk? |
| 14:55:33 | preglow | jhMikeS: they've also bugged everyone else working with blits |
| 14:55:35 | Llorean | barrywardell_: ipodpatcher -rf apple_os.ipod if I recall? |
| 14:55:40 | preglow | i don't know of any definite solutions to the problem |
| 14:56:30 | Llorean | barrywardell_: Assuming the AppleOS still exists in your firmware partition, and you haven't already -wf'ed over it. As long as you've been using -a, it's still there and handy for extraction. |
| 14:56:33 | jhMikeS | preglow: It's especially problematic with a triangle wave with two stages. I can do sawtooth in one with a single ended blit. |
| 14:56:42 | barrywardell_ | Llorean: great, thanks |
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| 14:57:17 | preglow | jhMikeS: yes, triangle is very problematic |
| 14:57:30 | preglow | it usually needs quite a bit of precision too |
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| 14:59:06 | jhMikeS | It seems to require quantization noise pushed to a higher band. It giggles up and down a bit otherwise it seems because of low frequencies from q noise being amplified. |
| 14:59:45 | preglow | yeah, i had that problem using floats |
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| 15:04:59 | jhMikeS | The triangle waveform itself is nice though but for that little bugger. Results atm are about the same scaling before or after the second integration. |
| 15:08:18 | jhMikeS | preglow: Was that other method for sawtooth you mentioned ever published yet or will be? I'd love to have a look at it. |
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| 15:10:28 | preglow | jhMikeS: haven't heard anything more about it, i just read about it recently |
| 15:10:45 | preglow | jhMikeS: also, it's not as perfectly bandlimited as blits |
| 15:10:46 | Hdaackda | hi guys, i need to know something, there is a recording option in rockbox (ipod video 5.5 30gb). Does it work? how? i tried plugin a mic in the headphones jack but it didnt work (not surprised :). |
| 15:10:52 | preglow | jhMikeS: btw, do you handle freq sweeping nicely yet? |
| 15:11:43 | jhMikeS | preglow: That was no problem. I even abused it with square waves hopping around sounding like R2D2 and it didn't blink. |
| 15:12:10 | preglow | jhMikeS: so you're adding the last harmonic separately? |
| 15:12:32 | Hdaackda | ? |
| 15:12:34 | jhMikeS | no. haven't gotten to the popping out thing yet. |
| 15:12:51 | preglow | when you cut out harmonics as the sweep freq goes higher, you'll have popping |
| 15:12:58 | preglow | which can only be solved by adding the last harmonic separately |
| 15:14:10 | Hdaackda | umm guys sorry to interrupt but does the recording work for ipod videos? |
| 15:14:19 | jhMikeS | At least over the range it needs attenuation as long as it's low enough to not be heard |
| 15:14:21 | preglow | it doesn't work for any ipods, afaik |
| 15:14:24 | preglow | but i don't know |
| 15:14:32 | Hdaackda | from the posts (http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7765.0) i cant make out |
| 15:14:40 | Hdaackda | oh ok. thanks :) |
| 15:16:33 | jhMikeS | I saved all that for last because that seemed easier to address than that triangle wave. :) |
| 15:17:05 | Hdaackda | i tried recording. the empty sound file it created was recognized by iTunes as a voice memo :S. wow |
| 15:17:15 | Hdaackda | sad that it didnt contain any voice. |
| 15:17:20 | Llorean | Hdaackda: The 5G only has recording through the dock port. |
| 15:19:11 | Hdaackda | :( sadistic mean apple guys :) |
| 15:19:32 | Hdaackda | no workaround possible? |
| 15:20:34 | Hdaackda | but check this (http://www.forbes.com/technology/2004/04/23/cx_ah_0423tentech.html) there is a device (pic shown) that uses the headphone jack to record |
| 15:21:12 | Hdaackda | (Belkin - dont know if it works for 5g though) |
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| 15:25:41 | Llorean | Why do people refuse to believe their iPods can't record through the headphone jack? |
| 15:27:10 | scorche | Llorean: because all it needs is a more powerful amp to drive a current into it... |
| 15:27:52 | Llorean | Clearly. |
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| 15:45:12 | Moos | wow, beautiful IRC logs, more readable |
| 15:45:52 | GodEater | amiconn is the only person so far to dislike them for being too psychedlic :) |
| 15:46:12 | Moos | hehe, not surprised ;) |
| 15:46:44 | * | GodEater suspects amiconn used to read the old logs with a hexeditor |
| 15:47:04 | Moos | haha :-D |
| 15:47:08 | markun | And I can't see the difference btween many of the colours, but nothing to do about that |
| 15:47:37 | Moos | hehe markun, sure you are not too many daltoniens ;p |
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| 15:47:53 | markun | XavierGr too I believe |
| 15:48:07 | Llorean | I actually like the plaintext logs, though I couldn't say that I actually prefer either way specifically. |
| 15:48:43 | Llorean | But most times when I'm reading the logs it's on a very limited screen, so the plain text is better. |
| 15:48:47 | Moos | Llorean: even you didn't feel it, your eyes need to do less effort |
| 15:50:24 | Moos | the logs looks really more easy to read now |
| 15:50:30 | * | Moos cheers Zagor |
| 15:51:14 | amiconn | The good thing with the plaintext log is that I have a downloaded copy |
| 15:51:21 | amiconn | VEry useful for greping |
| 15:52:10 | Moos | good point |
| 15:52:15 | markun | amiconn: I tried it once, but it because very very big. How large are the logs? |
| 15:52:25 | markun | s/because/became/ |
| 15:52:32 | Moos | and many days........ |
| 15:55:46 | Moos | any X5 user around? jhMikeS? |
| 15:55:57 | amiconn | 1681 files, 136MB (up to Jan 24) |
| 15:56:19 | Moos | ouch |
| 15:56:25 | amiconn | Not very much imho |
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| 16:00:32 | directhex|work | what's battery life like with rockbox on an x5, compared to the original firmware? |
| 16:00:33 | jhMikeS | Moos: here |
| 16:01:03 | RaZorbacK | hi all, is there here a super user who could give me some rights on the wiki so I can add something? I just want to translate the voice howto in french |
| 16:02:38 | Moos | it's about cowon technical support, pm |
| 16:03:28 | RaZorbacK | nobody to help? |
| 16:05:42 | bluebrother | RaZorbacK: it's just write permissions? |
| 16:06:32 | | Quit gook ("CGI:IRC") |
| 16:06:56 | bluebrother | write permissions can give you anybody who already has write permissions |
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| 16:07:49 | bluebrother | gtg now, so you'll need to ask someone else |
| 16:08:41 | markun | RaZorbacK: what's your wiki name? |
| 16:08:54 | Bagder | I think you need to re-register |
| 16:09:05 | Bagder | cause I removed a wiki user named razorback this morning |
| 16:09:15 | markun | :) |
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| 16:11:10 | Moos | I remenber time when we spoke to amways have real name in Wiki, no? |
| 16:11:24 | Bagder | the register page makes that very clear |
| 16:11:48 | Bagder | "We will delete your registration without notice if you break this rule." |
| 16:12:17 | Moos | but we still have nicks on wiki, no? |
| 16:12:34 | Bagder | where? |
| 16:13:21 | Moos | oh, let's see... |
| 16:13:24 | Genre9mp3 | Moos: If you mean the IRC nicks page, this is a completely different thing |
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| 16:13:36 | Moos | no wiki I meant |
| 16:14:34 | Moos | "BestSongsong?" this one have probably to go out for exemple |
| 16:14:54 | Bagder | that doesn't exist |
| 16:14:58 | Bagder | hence the question mark |
| 16:15:10 | Moos | ah ok |
| 16:15:54 | markun | I'm trying to tell the people at mygigabeat to ask rockbox questions in the rockbox forums. It's really hard... |
| 16:16:06 | markun | I should just stop answering questions there I think |
| 16:16:17 | Bagder | markun: it's bascially the same story in all those target-specific forums |
| 16:16:23 | Bagder | people don't give them up so easily |
| 16:16:34 | markun | Bagder: a good thing we don't have them anymore! (only for install) |
| 16:16:36 | n1s | Bagder: IcoD in the wiki :-) |
| 16:16:37 | Moos | hehe, indeed :-) |
| 16:16:53 | Llorean | markun: I watch several target-specific forums, but all I ever do there is try to correct blatant misinformation. |
| 16:17:15 | n1s | oh and KillerWolfe |
| 16:17:29 | n1s | but maybe that's a name? |
| 16:17:40 | markun | n1s: right.. |
| 16:17:49 | Bagder | IcoD actually seems to be named Ico as first name |
| 16:18:06 | n1s | oh, my bad... how about LuvDay? |
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| 16:18:13 | Bagder | KillerWolfe however... |
| 16:18:24 | n1s | or MITinTraining |
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| 16:18:33 | markun | Bagder: when you remove the account of a spammer, do you also check who gave that person write permission? |
| 16:18:43 | Bagder | nope |
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| 16:18:53 | Bagder | most (all?) of them don't have write permissio |
| 16:19:02 | Llorean | Is there a list of actual registered users somewhere? |
| 16:19:10 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TWikiUsers |
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| 16:19:20 | Llorean | That's not all users. |
| 16:19:20 | n1s | oh the famous dansih actor MadsMichelsen is registered in the wiki :-) |
| 16:19:33 | Llorean | I know at least two users not on that list. |
| 16:19:42 | Moos | n1s: haha :D |
| 16:19:49 | Bagder | n1s: it isn't unlikely that more than one person has that name... |
| 16:20:05 | n1s | yeah I konw but its funny :-) |
| 16:20:08 | Bagder | Llorean: yeah, but I don't think there's any better way to list users |
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| 16:20:56 | Llorean | Bagder: Alright, I was just curious if there was a more authoritative list, as you and I seem to have escaped that one, at least. |
| 16:21:10 | n1s | SereR0kR (with the zero) |
| 16:21:18 | Bagder | there is the list with the passwords |
| 16:21:27 | Bagder | but that's not accessible from the web |
| 16:21:48 | Moos | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GarryN |
| 16:22:19 | GodEater | we appear to have an UndeadDragon too |
| 16:22:38 | markun | n1s: his real name seems to be christian kaik : http://ipodlinux.org/User:SereR0kR |
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| 16:23:17 | Moos | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/KiChu |
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| 16:23:26 | Bagder | but really, there's no need to hunt them all down very hard until they make trouble |
| 16:23:36 | barrywardell | Bagder: did you get those updated H10 bootloaders? |
| 16:23:48 | Bagder | I did, but I haven't uploaded them properly yet |
| 16:24:03 | barrywardell | k, just checking you got them :) |
| 16:24:11 | barrywardell | no major rush |
| 16:24:22 | Moos | Bagder: not important indeed |
| 16:24:28 | Moos | "We will delete your registration without notice if you break this rule." ;) |
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| 16:25:21 | Llorean | Moos: Well, since you have to go through a human to get edit access now, they'll all be weeded out with time. |
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| 16:27:46 | directhex|work | how does battery life compare on the iaudio x5 between the official & rockbox firmwares? there are figures for ipods, plus older archoses & irivers |
| 16:29:01 | Llorean | directhex|work: I don't think anyone's actually done a *proper* test yet. |
| 16:29:04 | linuxstb | directhex|work: Results are posted by users - feel free to do some tests yourself. AFAIK, the runtimes are similar in the official firmware and Rockbox on the X5. |
| 16:29:26 | Llorean | Mostly what you hear is mostly "Well, I got X hours, but I was playing Doom for 2 of them, and skipped around a lot" and such |
| 16:29:33 | Llorean | The general feeling I get though is that they're very close. |
| 16:30:09 | Moos | yep they are IIRC |
| 16:30:19 | Llorean | I think Rockbox may be slightly worse, but then people seem to want to enable a bunch of power draining features in Rockbox. |
| 16:31:10 | Llorean | So you get "My X5 is supposed to run 29 hours in the retail firmware, and I only got 24 with a graphical WPS, using the equalizer, crossfeed, replaygain, and a caption timer on the backlight while playing Oggs!" |
| 16:31:12 | jhMikeS | I'm sure the company benchmarks are quite ideal...and with 128K mp3 I think they said. |
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| 16:31:49 | Llorean | I'm actually kinda surprised any time I see someone who lists the caption backlight as one of their regular settings. |
| 16:32:23 | directhex|work | i'm just a little apprehensive, considering the rather wide gulf between figures for the ipod |
| 16:32:35 | directhex|work | all i really care about is a library and vorbis playback |
| 16:32:53 | Llorean | directhex|work: You *do* know it's removable if you find it's too short for your tastes. |
| 16:33:00 | jhMikeS | I have a battery bench someone did for x5l and it ran to 30:13:56 |
| 16:33:04 | Llorean | But the iPod has special hurdles that haven't been overcome yet. |
| 16:33:10 | Llorean | You really shouldn't use any one target to judge another one. |
| 16:33:19 | GodEater | mainly cos we're attempting to hurdle with ankle chains on |
| 16:33:25 | GodEater | and a blindfold |
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| 16:34:06 | directhex|work | Llorean, yes, i do know it's removable. but at this moment in time there is *no* player whose stock firmware matches my needs, so (for example) an ipod with standard firmware is useless to me since my collection is all vorbis |
| 16:34:19 | linuxstb | directhex|work: The X5's hardware is very similar to the iriver h1x0/h3x0, where Rockbox outperforms the original firmware in battery life. |
| 16:34:55 | linuxstb | I'm assuming you haven't yet bought a player? |
| 16:35:27 | directhex|work | linuxstb, i have not. my rio karma died again last night though, si i'm in the market |
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| 16:35:56 | markun | directhex|work: what about a Gigabeat F40? |
| 16:35:59 | linuxstb | Any player out of the X5, iriver h1x0/h3x0 or Gigabeat F or X series would be good choice. |
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| 16:36:23 | Llorean | directhex|work: If you're *just* concerned about audio playback, Gigabeat F series are very cheap (relatively) on e-bay and such, I believe. |
| 16:37:06 | * | GodEater is still impatiently waiting for his Gigabeat to arrive |
| 16:37:28 | goffa | actually on the gigabeat.. does everything except recording and fm |
| 16:37:33 | GodEater | it's a shame rio decided to fit such a crappy harddrive in the Karma |
| 16:37:37 | Llorean | But if you need recording features, you want to look at the H100, and if you need ridiculous battery life (greater than 16ish to 19ish hours) the X5L is where to look. |
| 16:37:38 | GodEater | mine died REALLY fast |
| 16:37:43 | goffa | still does movies, gameboy, etc |
| 16:37:56 | Llorean | goffa: Yes, but movies and gameboy aren't the purpose of an "MP3 player" in general. |
| 16:37:56 | markun | GodEater: hitachi? |
| 16:38:10 | Llorean | goffa: I was discussing audio related features. |
| 16:38:10 | GodEater | markun: no clue - I never actually opened it |
| 16:38:19 | GodEater | I just replaced it with an H140 in disgust |
| 16:38:20 | directhex|work | markun, is the gigabeat current? doesn't seem to be available new from the usual suspects |
| 16:38:37 | GodEater | directhex|work: thats why we said ebay |
| 16:38:58 | GodEater | it's pretty sweet hardware though, a 300Mhz ARM and oodles of battery life |
| 16:39:04 | markun | directhex|work: only in australia I think you can still find new ones |
| 16:39:06 | directhex|work | i'd prefer to get something that's considered a 'current' model. looks quite nice though |
| 16:39:07 | GodEater | and a nice large colour screen |
| 16:39:26 | GodEater | I thought the X5 was out of production too |
| 16:39:31 | Llorean | directhex|work: It's still current, it's just not necessarily available from retailers in a lot of cases. |
| 16:39:57 | Llorean | In terms of raw processing power, it has the most out of any Rockbox targets to date. |
| 16:39:58 | directhex|work | http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=139792 - that's fairly cheap |
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| 16:40:19 | directhex|work | assuming i'm looking at the right thing |
| 16:40:33 | Llorean | That's it. |
| 16:40:47 | markun | directhex|work: you can get them for much less |
| 16:40:49 | Llorean | Though... I paid about half that price here in the US. |
| 16:40:54 | markun | around $100 |
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| 16:41:19 | GodEater | I paid $96 US |
| 16:42:00 | markun | directhex|work: if you can find one buy a X60 :) |
| 16:42:10 | markun | really nice but equally rare |
| 16:42:15 | goffa | Llorean: i was just trying to offer clairification |
| 16:42:26 | linuxstb | What's so special about the X series? |
| 16:42:37 | Llorean | linuxstb: It has a bigger screen, to my understanding. |
| 16:42:38 | goffa | supposedly pretty :) |
| 16:42:44 | markun | linuxstb: smaller, lighter and a bigger screen |
| 16:42:46 | perl|work | linuxstb biggesr screen, slimmer looks |
| 16:43:01 | linuxstb | Same resolution screen, but larger? |
| 16:43:03 | Llorean | Honestly my Gigabeat already feels a little fragile. |
| 16:43:14 | markun | yes, 2.4" or 2.5" not sure |
| 16:43:14 | goffa | yeah.. i ended up getting a zcover |
| 16:43:20 | goffa | it adds bulk |
| 16:43:34 | goffa | but on the one with a "loose feeling" casing |
| 16:43:39 | goffa | it did the trick |
| 16:43:52 | * | linuxstb can't justify buying yet another mp3 player |
| 16:43:53 | Llorean | Not as bad as the Nano or anything, but I've always felt the H120's general heft was reassuring. |
| 16:43:53 | directhex|work | hm, the reported battery times on the F40 are really good. and it's cheaper than an ipod or x5 |
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| 16:44:17 | Llorean | directhex|work: Note: It lacks recording functionality, so if you need that it's not a good one to consider. |
| 16:44:22 | directhex|work | my fiancee's h320 has died after about a year, which isn't very good really |
| 16:44:23 | goffa | yeah.. i'm probably going to attempt to sell my h140.. and get one of those new 60gb samsungs if it'll fit in my x5l |
| 16:44:31 | goffa | single platter n series |
| 16:44:45 | directhex|work | Llorean, i need to play oggs, and browse in a library rather than directory fashion. beyond that, i don't care |
| 16:44:58 | Llorean | directhex|work: Then the F40 will work for you. |
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| 16:45:07 | Llorean | Though I honestly can't imagine someone "needing" to browse in a library fashion. |
| 16:45:17 | Llorean | I'd always considered it sort of a "prefer" thing. |
| 16:45:53 | directhex|work | i've owned players which force both methodologies. i'd really say "need" |
| 16:46:45 | markun | directhex|work: well, no rockbox for you then. Only DRM WMA and file browsing ;) |
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| 16:47:36 | directhex|work | markun, i'll reverse-engineer Janus DRM, and transcode all my tracks to 32kib/s drm'd wma. sorted! |
| 16:48:32 | markun | transcoding is good, all my 128kbit/s MP3 files sound much better at 320 now! |
| 16:48:47 | directhex|work | CBR, i hope? |
| 16:48:54 | markun | of course ;) |
| 16:48:57 | directhex|work | silence doesn't sound right unless it's at 320kib/s |
| 16:49:09 | goffa | directhex|work: then you'll force the rockbox devs to listen to the drm'd 32k reencoded to 320 until they change their minds? |
| 16:49:12 | goffa | :) |
| 16:49:40 | goffa | er.. sorry... er not 320.. let's make it flac |
| 16:49:50 | goffa | that'd be better yet |
| 16:50:19 | Bagder | what is it with people formatting their sansas to use fat16? |
| 16:50:27 | | Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") |
| 16:50:36 | * | Bagder shakes head |
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| 16:50:53 | goffa | makes it more gooder |
| 16:51:03 | goffa | :D |
| 16:51:31 | Llorean | Bagder: Would windows default to Fat16 on a 2gb disk? |
| 16:51:45 | directhex|work | goffa, flac's dirty open source rubbish. you want apple lossless |
| 16:51:57 | directhex|work | Llorean, i think it sould |
| 16:51:59 | Bagder | Llorean: yeah, perhaps its a default option |
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| 16:52:00 | directhex|work | would. bah |
| 16:52:05 | markun | directhex|work: or WMA lossless! |
| 16:52:08 | goffa | my bad directhex|work |
| 16:52:19 | goffa | what was i thinking |
| 16:52:21 | directhex|work | markun, that too |
| 16:52:26 | goffa | don't need any commie formats! |
| 16:52:42 | Llorean | Bagder: Windows users are bad about just clicking "okay" and going. That may plague RButil for H100/H120 users, and such. |
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| 16:53:50 | * | Llorean likes making horribly broad generalizations. |
| 16:54:02 | directhex|work | hm, x60 is nowhere to be found. but i like the look of the f40 |
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| 16:55:05 | directhex|work | i shall then be able to plug my wma player with open source replacement os into my apple computer with open source replacement os. i like the sound of that. |
| 16:56:06 | markun | directhex|work: you should give the original F40 firmware a chance. The SAT encryption of all the files is a really nice feature. |
| 16:56:18 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 16:56:39 | markun | Bagder: ok, I think I've talked enough nonsense for today.. |
| 16:58:08 | directhex|work | bloody hell. £270 for an f40 from napster.co.uk |
| 16:58:23 | GodEater | tip: don't buy it from there :) |
| 16:58:35 | markun | directhex|work: but they probably give you a 'free' account to their services |
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| 16:58:55 | directhex|work | GodEater, i'm happy enough with £155 from expansys |
| 16:59:11 | GodEater | christ that's a lot |
| 16:59:14 | directhex|work | markun, nope! |
| 16:59:15 | GodEater | I paid half that |
| 16:59:26 | directhex|work | GodEater, import or ebay? |
| 16:59:30 | GodEater | ebay |
| 16:59:37 | pondlife | Bagder: Did you see the front page recent changes table? Some kind of character coding issue with "Matoušek"... |
| 16:59:40 | GodEater | I think I paid £76 all in |
| 16:59:43 | GodEater | including postage |
| 16:59:47 | Bagder | pondlife: yes I noticed |
| 16:59:52 | Bagder | but I'm ignoring for now |
| 16:59:56 | pondlife | :) |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:14 | Bagder | unicode hurts my brain |
| 17:00:20 | pondlife | Sorry, I only seem to be talking about the website recently. |
| 17:00:25 | directhex|work | GodEater, i want a phone number to moan at if there are problems |
| 17:00:30 | pondlife | Wish I had time to discuss playback. |
| 17:00:33 | GodEater | fair enough |
| 17:00:44 | directhex|work | reałły? |
| 17:00:48 | GodEater | I think joelonsoftware had a decent description of unicode recently |
| 17:00:48 | markun | Bagder: I was not sure I could use UTF-8 |
| 17:00:56 | GodEater | it was the best explanation I've seen so far |
| 17:02:01 | GodEater | http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html |
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| 17:02:48 | Ghoulunat | anyone here? |
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| 17:03:10 | directhex|work | noi, nobody |
| 17:03:14 | Ghoulunat | lol |
| 17:03:20 | Bagder | Ghoulunat: no, these are all bots talking |
| 17:03:26 | Ghoulunat | I meant to say "anyone here that can help me with the gigabeat build" |
| 17:03:39 | Ghoulunat | but i Just woke up, bare with me :P |
| 17:03:46 | directhex|work | Bagder, You are being a bit negative. |
| 17:03:56 | * | Bagder is hte grumpy kind |
| 17:04:09 | * | Llorean apparently grumpy++ then. |
| 17:04:17 | Llorean | With an "is" in the appropriate place. |
| 17:04:34 | markun | Ghoulunat: just awsk |
| 17:04:36 | markun | ask |
| 17:04:36 | Llorean | Ghoulunat: You'll probably be best off if you ask a question that can actually be answered. |
| 17:04:38 | directhex|work | Bagder, Please go on. |
| 17:04:59 | * | Bagder leaves to go eating |
| 17:05:05 | Ghoulunat | ok...welll |
| 17:05:30 | directhex|work | http://www-ai.ijs.si/eliza-cgi-bin/eliza_script |
| 17:05:34 | directhex|work | ow, damn, wrong paste |
| 17:05:48 | Ghoulunat | I've got the newest ( I think) version of the gigabeat build, and the new bootloader, although it won't save any of my settings when I power off (volume and theme mostly) |
| 17:06:14 | Llorean | Ghoulunat: How do you power off? |
| 17:06:33 | Ghoulunat | hold the button on the side |
| 17:06:44 | markun | Ghoulunat: strange, it works fine for me |
| 17:06:49 | Ghoulunat | hmm |
| 17:06:50 | Llorean | And by "newest ( I think)" what exactly do you mean? |
| 17:06:56 | Llorean | Where did you download it from? |
| 17:06:57 | Ghoulunat | it's kept the settings I think once |
| 17:06:59 | Ghoulunat | here |
| 17:07:04 | Ghoulunat | it was about a week ago I believe |
| 17:07:15 | Llorean | Seeing as builds are updated several times a day, that's far from "newest" |
| 17:07:16 | markun | Ghoulunat: do you turn on hold after you turn on the player? |
| 17:07:32 | Ghoulunat | usually, yes |
| 17:07:39 | markun | Ghoulunat: that's your problem then |
| 17:07:48 | markun | That's our nice auto-reset-settings feature :) |
| 17:08:02 | markun | When it says "Clearing..." |
| 17:08:25 | linuxstb | It's probably better not to use the hold switch for that if you can help it. We have trouble detecting early button presses on the ipod, so hold is the only thing that will work reliably. |
| 17:08:27 | markun | maybe we should make the auto reset a bit more complicated |
| 17:08:42 | linuxstb | AFAIK, all other targets use RECORD. |
| 17:08:49 | Ghoulunat | I see |
| 17:08:57 | markun | we could use A maybe |
| 17:08:59 | * | linuxstb wonders about the Player |
| 17:09:02 | Llorean | markun: Volume -? |
| 17:09:12 | markun | Llorean: what about it? |
| 17:09:18 | Llorean | As a suggestion for the button? |
| 17:09:18 | markun | ah, volume - button :) |
| 17:09:31 | Llorean | Since you're using Volume+ to restore the original firmware right now. |
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| 17:09:38 | markun | who volunteers to redo the gigabeat key mapping? |
| 17:09:46 | markun | I want A and POWER swapped at least |
| 17:09:57 | markun | and the plugins could be a bit more consistant |
| 17:10:16 | * | Llorean can't make any promises, but has considered looking at it at some point. |
| 17:10:45 | [IDC]Dragon | irc logs are so colorful... |
| 17:10:50 | Llorean | Though if I did it, I'd probably be suggesting something nearly identical to the H100 keymap. |
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| 17:11:09 | * | [IDC]Dragon only came in to check what color he'd be |
| 17:11:25 | Ghoulunat | also, would there be any adverse effects if I deleted the Room software from my PC? because now it's like "OOH YOU HAVE FIRMWARE THAT WORKS! I WANT TO HELP!" |
| 17:11:43 | markun | Ghoulunat: delete it |
| 17:11:44 | Ghoulunat | and every time I plug in the USB, that shit pops up |
| 17:11:45 | Ghoulunat | ok |
| 17:11:46 | [IDC]Dragon | black, hmm |
| 17:12:00 | markun | or uninstall rather |
| 17:12:04 | * | Llorean has never installed the "Room" software |
| 17:12:04 | Ghoulunat | yeah |
| 17:13:05 | Ghoulunat | done. |
| 17:13:24 | Ghoulunat | I seriously want to know what Toshiba was thinking when they made this thing. |
| 17:13:49 | directhex|work | Ghoulunat, could be worse |
| 17:13:53 | directhex|work | Ghoulunat, seen Sony Sonic Stage? |
| 17:14:00 | markun | Ghoulunat: I want to know what the hardware guys were thinking after they saw what the software guys had done to their baby.. |
| 17:14:06 | Llorean | I would wager something along the lines of "Right now the RIAA is suing everyone they get their hands on, if it's hard to copy music back OFF the device maybe we'll be safe" |
| 17:14:31 | Ghoulunat | directhex|work: no |
| 17:14:37 | directhex|work | Ghoulunat, don't. for the sake of your soul |
| 17:14:52 | Ghoulunat | ok :P |
| 17:15:18 | Ghoulunat | Llorean: yeah, that what I would have said |
| 17:15:57 | GodEater | someone seriously needs to take the board of directors at RIAA into a dark alley, and give them a thorough kicking |
| 17:16:05 | Ghoulunat | amen. |
| 17:16:11 | Llorean | GodEater: I'm not entirely sure why someone would try to have their Sansa generate the database yet, since playback doesn't even work. |
| 17:16:31 | GodEater | well - I could have said that too Llorean. |
| 17:16:35 | GodEater | I'm trying to be nice recently though. |
| 17:16:36 | GodEater | :) |
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| 17:17:11 | GodEater | I realised I was getting into the habit of wanting to start all my posts with "Duh!" |
| 17:17:16 | | Nick [[toffe]] is now known as toffe (n=[[toffe]@h-74-0-180-178.snvacaid.covad.net) |
| 17:17:19 | Ghoulunat | also, does anyone have one of those Griffin iTrips for non-iPods? |
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| 17:18:51 | GodEater | I'm still struggling to work out the post from that guy who started talking about "installing linux being unnecessary" when I asked him not to point people at Rockbox Installer X. He was either a genius or completely insane. |
| 17:19:07 | GodEater | because either way, I had no idea what he was on about. |
| 17:19:12 | Ghoulunat | 0_o |
| 17:19:34 | Ghoulunat | GodEater: I'd lean toward the latter |
| 17:20:04 | GodEater | me too - but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. Occasionally. |
| 17:20:11 | Ghoulunat | haha |
| 17:20:58 | Ghoulunat | now, if he started talking up "Room" or any other bad firmwares, you might want to have him shipped off |
| 17:21:05 | Ghoulunat | you know, before he harms anyone |
| 17:21:57 | Llorean | We just have a lot of users who feel anything "easier" is automatically a better way. |
| 17:22:04 | Llorean | Especially among iPod users. |
| 17:22:25 | Ghoulunat | Oi. |
| 17:22:55 | Llorean | This especially applies to installers, regardless of whether they install outdated versions of the bootloader. |
| 17:23:30 | Llorean | And Loader 2 for iPL is particularly popular because it offers a menu. A good chunk of iPod users are using our software for games, and are perfectly happy with the original firmware for music. |
| 17:24:00 | directhex|work | anything that doesn't involve using a hex editor to install is a luxury, really |
| 17:24:27 | GodEater | I really don't get the appeal of loader 2 |
| 17:24:39 | Ghoulunat | Hmm...ah balls. I've gotta run |
| 17:24:41 | Llorean | Well, one thing I've learned here: It is a bad assumption that people searching out alternative firmware for their MP3 players even know what a command prompt *is* |
| 17:24:41 | GodEater | when I turn the thing on, I don't want to have to look at it and then push ANOTHER button |
| 17:24:45 | Ghoulunat | about time for class |
| 17:25:05 | Ghoulunat | thanks for your help guys :) |
| 17:25:09 | Ghoulunat | I'll be back though |
| 17:25:27 | GodEater | I'm curious to know how people who are ignorant of command prompts even work out what an alternative firmware is |
| 17:25:54 | GodEater | as far as I can see their equally "techy" |
| 17:26:00 | GodEater | s/their/they're |
| 17:26:05 | Llorean | GodEater: Someone on iLounge tells them that Rockbox can put Doom on their iPod. |
| 17:26:21 | GodEater | ah - that makes perfect sense |
| 17:26:26 | GodEater | ask a silly question |
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| 17:26:32 | Llorean | They don't know what an alternative firmware is. |
| 17:27:08 | GodEater | perhaps porting to iPod was a bad idea.... |
| 17:27:26 | * | markun blames linuxstb and preglow |
| 17:27:30 | Llorean | Nah, the only real problem here is that I don't have absolute administrative control over the rest of the internet. |
| 17:27:39 | GodEater | hahahahaha |
| 17:27:48 | GodEater | your jackboots ain't that big yet huh ? |
| 17:28:37 | Llorean | Anyway, I'm thinking about maybe abstracting the install process a little bit. |
| 17:28:46 | GodEater | I think we should make it REALLY hard |
| 17:28:48 | GodEater | not easier |
| 17:28:54 | GodEater | scare these people away |
| 17:28:56 | GodEater | :) |
| 17:28:57 | Llorean | Well, the problem is that there's too much documentation. |
| 17:28:58 | linuxstb | It should definitely require vi |
| 17:29:01 | Llorean | People don't bother reading it. |
| 17:29:04 | Llorean | Or skip over chunks. |
| 17:29:11 | GodEater | pah |
| 17:29:12 | GodEater | eflin |
| 17:29:17 | GodEater | s/eflin/edlin |
| 17:29:32 | Llorean | Most of the install processes could be simplified to about two pages of text that you don't have to hunt for in a manual. |
| 17:29:56 | directhex|work | the rockbox site generally seems a little like text overkill. finding specific information is a chore |
| 17:29:56 | Llorean | We already have the IpodInstallationBeta page for example |
| 17:30:39 | linuxstb | Or just work to incorporate ipodpatcher into rbutil... |
| 17:30:57 | Llorean | True, rbutil simplifies it a lot. |
| 17:31:09 | GodEater | is there only one person working on rbutil ? |
| 17:31:42 | linuxstb | Yes, and she isn't around IRC very often, so I don't know if she's actually working on it at all. |
| 17:32:09 | linuxstb | Last I heard from her was that she was fighting with Windows USB device detection. |
| 17:32:12 | GodEater | last time she was here she was cursing some aspect of device detection on windows as I recall |
| 17:32:17 | GodEater | hahahaha |
| 17:32:18 | linuxstb | :) |
| 17:32:35 | * | GodEater looks round to see if linuxstb is standing behind him |
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| 17:33:57 | perl|work | the funniest part about the whole rockbox on ipods issue is that the 1st thing people ask about it (after they saw doom of course) is how they can play videos |
| 17:34:23 | GodEater | you have an odd sense of humour.... |
| 17:34:41 | GodEater | :) |
| 17:34:42 | Mikachu | it's better than asking how to play doom imo :) |
| 17:34:54 | Llorean | perl|work: Everyone wants to make their device do something it couldn't do before, rather than make it do what they bought it for, better. |
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| 17:35:18 | * | pondlife agrees and sighs |
| 17:35:41 | perl|work | Llorean well yeah, but with 5g ipods... |
| 17:35:43 | linuxstb | The "itunes/ipod experience" also appears to be liked by some people, meaning Rockbox is just for games. |
| 17:35:55 | pondlife | If it were my jackboots, there would be an iPod port but no games or plugins (apart from diagnostics) |
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| 17:37:03 | pondlife | It's barmy that iPod users can play doom but suffer lockups listening to music when their CPU needs boosting.. ;-) |
| 17:43:42 | GodEater | any news on arrangements / plans for devcon2007 yet ? |
| 17:45:31 | | Nick Everybody|away is now known as Everybody (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) |
| 17:48:20 | Mikachu | it's still very cold in stockholm :) |
| 17:48:34 | GodEater | and ? |
| 17:48:47 | GodEater | I've wintered there before - doesn't bother me much |
| 17:51:08 | GodEater | provided you're not planning on doing the devcon in Kungstragarden ? |
| 17:51:26 | GodEater | excuse my lack of swedish keyboard, I gave up looking for the compose sequence |
| 17:51:43 | amiconn | Oh, hi [IDC]Dragon :) |
| 17:51:43 | Mikachu | heh, i think it's "a |
| 17:52:52 | GodEater | That would be Shift+Compose+2 here |
| 17:53:04 | | Part Llorean |
| 17:54:24 | GodEater | which gets me -> â…› |
| 17:54:56 | Mikachu | you're not supposed to hold compose |
| 17:56:17 | GodEater | not holding compose gets- > ä |
| 17:56:25 | GodEater | which I still think is the wrong letter |
| 17:56:31 | GodEater | but my swedish is rusty |
| 17:56:34 | Mikachu | no, that's the one |
| 17:56:39 | Mikachu | but then you also want oa |
| 17:56:45 | Mikachu | Kungsträdgården |
| 17:56:48 | GodEater | ah |
| 17:56:52 | GodEater | that doesn't come out here |
| 17:57:04 | Mikachu | i have utf8 by default |
| 17:57:04 | GodEater | I get junk where the missing vowels are |
| 17:57:21 | Mikachu | Kungsträdgården |
| 17:57:26 | GodEater | the same |
| 17:57:28 | markun | doesn't look like UTF-8 here |
| 17:57:39 | Mikachu | hm wait i don't have utf8 by default :) |
| 17:57:40 | GodEater | I get that weird ? on a black diamond background |
| 17:57:46 | Mikachu | Kungsträdgården |
| 17:57:50 | Mikachu | that should be utf-8 though |
| 17:57:51 | markun | Mikachu: much better :) |
| 17:57:57 | GodEater | that's better |
| 17:59:54 | GodEater | anyway - unless you were planning on holding devcon out of doors |
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| 18:00:01 | GodEater | I don't think it matters much |
| 18:00:14 | Mikachu | i'm not involved, i don't like cold weather though :) |
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| 18:04:17 | amiconn | Mikachu: Your non-utf8 version looks ok here, utf8 doesn't |
| 18:04:46 | markun | amiconn: doesn't surprise me at all :) |
| 18:04:49 | Mikachu | well, then you're not using utf8, it's hard to send both encodings at the same time :) |
| 18:05:08 | Mikachu | i'm not going to be speaking a lot of swedish with you in here though |
| 18:06:16 | Mikachu | my german is also fairly limited |
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| 18:09:42 | amiconn | hehe |
| 18:09:52 | amiconn | Windows usually doesn't use utf8 |
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| 18:14:04 | Mikachu | isn't it more or less up to the app to support it? |
| 18:14:35 | Mikachu | i don't remember, utf8 wasn't very popular when i used windows :) |
| 18:14:38 | toffe | :) I register on the wiki and the confirmation mail was seen as a spam by gmail |
| 18:15:01 | Mikachu | their algorithm probably regognizes identical mails sent to multiple people from the same host |
| 18:15:05 | [IDC]Dragon | Oh, hi Jens! |
| 18:15:20 | | Nick Everybody is now known as Everybody|ingame (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) |
| 18:16:16 | toffe | can somebody give me write access on the wiki ? |
| 18:17:47 | toffe | markun ? |
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| 18:39:37 | toffe | hello everybody went to lunch :) |
| 18:40:09 | Bagder | what's your wiki name toffe ? |
| 18:40:20 | toffe | ChristopheNicolas |
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| 18:40:57 | Bagder | welcome, write access granted |
| 18:41:04 | toffe | ok thank you |
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| 18:48:20 | GodEater | hurrah - my F40 arrived |
| 18:48:37 | fasmaie | Good for you |
| 18:48:57 | toffe | welcome to the club ;) |
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| 18:49:20 | GodEater | time for some instant rockbox-ing |
| 18:49:30 | GodEater | (after having first read the instructions of course) ;) |
| 18:49:42 | crculver | Is : not allowed on the FAT32 filesystem Rockbox uses, requiring me to change the names of all my files? |
| 18:50:03 | perl|work | why all of your files have : ? |
| 18:50:07 | GodEater | crculver: correct ":" is not a valid filename char |
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| 18:50:23 | crculver | Well, I guess I can write a script to take care of that in the copying. |
| 18:50:42 | crculver | And does the filesystem allow UTF-8, or do I need to strip all non-ASCII chars? |
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| 18:56:45 | Mikachu | crculver: fat supports utf8, but not some windows reserved characters such as : ! < > ? etc |
| 18:57:54 | bluebrother | crculver: fat uses UCS-2, which supports a subset of unicode except some special characters. The FAT specification lists those |
| 18:58:21 | Mikachu | if you somehow create files with those chars, they will show fine in rockbox though |
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| 19:00:53 | bluebrother | linux also tolerates some violations of the FAT spec. Those files will work nicely in linux and RB but windows will be unable to access them |
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| 19:10:46 | n1s | rockbox can still rename files to illegal names too... |
| 19:11:07 | Mikachu | fine by me :) |
| 19:11:53 | TravisH | Hey, i have a quick question with SVN. I added a bunch of patches and screwed up a bunch of source files, is there a way to have SVN redownload only the changed files and leave the others so i dont have to download the entire source again? |
| 19:12:55 | Mikachu | svn revert |
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| 19:13:17 | Mikachu | it will in fact not redownload anything when you run that command, it keeps copies of all original files locally |
| 19:13:20 | TravisH | Great! Thanks a lot. |
| 19:13:31 | Mikachu | (so you can run svn diff offline) |
| 19:13:36 | TravisH | That is even better. |
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| 19:15:13 | [IDC]Dragon | cu |
| 19:15:15 | crculver | Great, that's all I was worried about in using Rockbox. Thanks for the help |
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| 19:32:18 | webguest65 | Having trouble getting mpg videos to play on my ipod under rockbox, any suggestions? |
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| 19:34:56 | toffe | webguest65 : did you try this one : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras |
| 19:35:16 | webguest65 | yeah ive tried using VLC to convert the videos |
| 19:35:17 | toffe | There are known to be working |
| 19:35:24 | webguest65 | but they dont seem to want to play |
| 19:36:02 | toffe | you don't have to reencode them , there are ready to play |
| 19:36:23 | webguest65 | it just freezes at "Buffering..." |
| 19:36:30 | toffe | what ipod do you have ? |
| 19:36:43 | webguest65 | 30gig video, 5th gen |
| 19:37:52 | Soul-Slayer | How large are the videos? |
| 19:38:11 | webguest65 | the one im trying to play is 11 minutes, approximately 17 megs |
| 19:38:14 | amiconn | markun: Your latest CREDITS addition has a slight problem: it uses an utf-8 char which is not part of iso8859-1 |
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| 19:38:46 | Soul-Slayer | Have you tried playing smaller ones? I have had problems with larger videos before - may be worth a try. |
| 19:39:01 | amiconn | It's the first entry doing so, and it won't show up correctly with many fonts, and on the player |
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| 19:39:54 | webguest65 | im downloading that sample video off the site, to see if its my videos or the player |
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| 19:40:21 | Soul-Slayer | Does anyone know how well the 'Kernel on COP' patch works right now? The patch written for PP targets (In my case, the H10) |
| 19:40:26 | markun | amiconn: aha, do you think we should fix the player to show a S here instead or do you want to change his name? |
| 19:40:59 | amiconn | I will eventually extend the player's capabilities to map such characters to a plain s, but what about the bitmap targets? |
| 19:42:08 | markun | yes, good question.. |
| 19:42:25 | amiconn | With unicode we *could* switch to using the proper utf-8 chars in CREDITS, but then we would have to convert all names |
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| 19:43:03 | amiconn | ...and we would end up with a crazy mix of plain latin, various accented latin chars, greek, cyrillic, chinese, japanese... |
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| 19:43:22 | amiconn | Not many fonts would be able to show that mixture |
| 19:43:24 | dan_a | Soul-Slayer: Everything I've heard suggests it's not working well right now. |
| 19:44:09 | Soul-Slayer | dan_a: Do you know if it degrades performance, or just doesn't enhance? Or enhances by a slight amount? Or are you unaware :p. |
| 19:45:10 | dan_a | Degrades. I need to test it and investigate, but I've got too much paid work to do at the moment |
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| 19:46:05 | Soul-Slayer | Fair enough :p. |
| 19:46:39 | * | GodEater spots a missing word from the gigabeat install manual and patches the manual |
| 19:48:08 | webguest65 | okay so that video plays.. |
| 19:48:13 | * | linuxstb_ feels up to adding a word to the manual |
| 19:48:36 | GodEater | I'll have a diff in a second |
| 19:48:38 | linuxstb_ | webguest65: How did you encode your video? |
| 19:48:44 | Soul-Slayer | In which case, it's either how your videos are encoded, or their size. |
| 19:48:49 | GodEater | I just realised my source tree is full of attempts at hacking the fat driver though |
| 19:48:53 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: If it's just one word, just tell me. |
| 19:49:01 | GodEater | ok |
| 19:49:08 | GodEater | under installing the bootloader |
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| 19:49:31 | GodEater | "Make sure you have configured your browser *to* show hidden file" |
| 19:49:40 | GodEater | s/file/files |
| 19:49:49 | webguest65 | i just used VLC, and used mpeg-1/mpeg audio |
| 19:49:49 | * | dan_a wonders if it is possible to replace the Microdrive in an iriver H10 |
| 19:49:56 | GodEater | second bullet point |
| 19:50:04 | webguest65 | this video has sound, but no video ;s |
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| 19:50:53 | Soul-Slayer | webguest65: Are you using Windows? If so, did you use the .bat file provided? |
| 19:51:09 | webguest65 | im using windows yes, but where would this bat file be? |
| 19:51:15 | Soul-Slayer | One moment. |
| 19:51:48 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: Committed. |
| 19:52:17 | Soul-Slayer | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 19:52:17 | Soul-Slayer | Scroll down to 'How to encode files', if you look a little lower down there should be a link to 'VLC-transcode.bat'. Download that and edit it to the correct screen resolution, stated above |
| 19:52:42 | linuxstb_ | webguest65: You probably encoded it to AVI - I think that's the default for vlc. |
| 19:52:43 | Soul-Slayer | Then drag and drop your file onto that .bat file and wait for it to complete. |
| 19:53:11 | linuxstb_ | mpegplayer expects an MPEG program stream. |
| 19:53:30 | webguest65 | i understand that and i DID encode it as mpeg |
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| 19:53:42 | Soul-Slayer | Ack, very sorry, don't follow my instructions, just noticed it is out of date :$. |
| 19:53:53 | webguest65 | oh, lol |
| 19:54:56 | Soul-Slayer | Hold on, I do know of one other automated way |
| 19:55:07 | linuxstb_ | webguest65: What was the vlc command-line you used? |
| 19:55:55 | Soul-Slayer | http://misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=51189 Have a look at that, 'should' do the trick. |
| 19:56:12 | webguest65 | didnt use a command line, just used the graphical thing |
| 19:56:37 | Paprica | linuxstb_, amiconn, do you know if i still have my commit access? |
| 19:57:17 | linuxstb_ | Not unless you've emailed Bagder with your old CVS username and a new SVN password. |
| 19:57:49 | Paprica | ohh ok... so can you commit spider for me?? |
| 19:59:09 | linuxstb_ | What's the rush? Just ask Bagder to enable your SVN account. |
| 19:59:22 | markun | GodEater: how's the installation going? |
| 19:59:40 | Paprica | haha :) |
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| 20:00:04 | GodEater | markun it's not - the battery needs charging :) |
| 20:00:36 | webguest65 | soul, those zip files are both corrupt :p |
| 20:00:55 | Soul-Slayer | They are? Works fine for myself - What unextractor do you use? |
| 20:01:07 | webguest65 | just winrar |
| 20:01:28 | Soul-Slayer | Hmm, was fine for me in Winzip 11 |
| 20:01:53 | linuxstb_ | Paprica: Also, I'm not sure new plugins should be added which only support such a small number of targets. |
| 20:02:54 | Redbreva | Soul-Slayer: Winzip 11 default setting is not widely compatible - try winzip 2 (legacy) |
| 20:03:05 | Paprica | 4 targets... the others have a small screennn |
| 20:03:41 | Soul-Slayer | Redbreva: It's not a zip file I am distributing, I am just reporting that I was able to unextract it okay. I could try recompressing for him however. |
| 20:03:46 | Soul-Slayer | And uploading elsewhere |
| 20:04:52 | Soul-Slayer | webguest65: Out of interest, why don't you just dual boot with the original Apple firmware and use that for it's video viewing capacities? The Mpeg player plugin is still quite tempremental and in development |
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| 20:09:39 | lex | wtf |
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| 20:09:46 | lex | how can my p2 350MHz show xvid flawlessy |
| 20:11:17 | linuxstb__ | Why not? |
| 20:11:33 | lex | i thought it is too slow for that |
| 20:11:52 | lex | i guess i were wrong |
| 20:12:00 | lex | but now i need to take a shower |
| 20:12:36 | GodEater | markun: I found a power port nearer the laptop - so I'm going to start my install now ;) |
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| 20:14:59 | linuxstb__ | Paprica: Solitaire displays 7 columns of cards on the Archos 112x64 display, so if you use those bitmaps, you should be able to support the 160x128 and larger LCDs. |
| 20:15:47 | toffe | GodEater : the gigabeat should charge through the usb |
| 20:16:16 | GodEater | ah well - I've got it plugged into both =/ |
| 20:16:45 | lex | and that is what i love on my ipod: |
| 20:16:49 | lex | [18147.166822] Buffer I/O error on device sda2, logical block 14603084 |
| 20:16:51 | hachi | oh no, you're cross charging the power company from your laptop! ;] |
| 20:16:57 | lex | so lot of those when i plug it into linux :> |
| 20:17:10 | lex | do you think it's a broken drive or just partitions messed up? |
| 20:17:20 | toffe | GodEater : I think that if the battery is completely discharge, you have to wait if you connect only through the usb |
| 20:17:33 | lex | it works fine on windows though and it can't find errors from it |
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| 20:19:43 | GodEater | heh - successfully installed |
| 20:20:10 | amiconn | linuxstb_: (hmm, how many linuxstb* are there??) The solitaire cards for archos are adjusted for the non-square pixel aspect of the archos lcd. But it shouldn't be too difficult to make a card set with the same card width, adjusted for square pixels |
| 20:20:24 | GodEater | had to switch the battery off to get it to reset properly though |
| 20:20:36 | | Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) |
| 20:20:56 | amiconn | And yes, afaik spider uses 10 columns, hence it should be possible to support LCDs of 160x128 and up |
| 20:21:07 | linuxstb | Sorry about the multiple nicks, I generally move between my laptop and desktop during the evening so have two IRC clients open. |
| 20:21:23 | amiconn | Freecell would be a little less demanding - only 8 columns |
| 20:21:24 | linuxstb | Yes, I forgot about the aspect ratio. |
| 20:22:46 | amiconn | So the only targets not (practically) supportable in spider would be the archoses, the iFP and the minis |
| 20:23:12 | linuxstb | A card-game library in the plugin lib would seem useful. |
| 20:23:56 | amiconn | Oh, and the small H10 |
| 20:24:29 | amiconn | I can't see how a lib would help. Our displays are generally small, so the cards should be as large as possible on each target |
| 20:25:06 | amiconn | The possible card size then depends on the game |
| 20:25:15 | GodEater | svg cards then obviously :) |
| 20:25:33 | * | GodEater ducks |
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| 20:28:33 | linuxstb | I was just thinking of some simple functions to display the cards, possibly with a user-selectable choice of card styles, and the ability to display cards of different sizes. |
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| 20:31:36 | * | GodEater spots that he's left a Norton Ghost image of a PC from work amongst his music collection. Which is now in mid copy to his Gigabeat. Doh. |
| 20:31:43 | XavierGr | markun: yeah you got that right, It is too difficult for me to differentiate all those colours in the new irec log reader |
| 20:32:16 | XavierGr | markun: that's why I am going to nag Zagor to let us choose our colour choice for each Nick and add background colour highlighting too |
| 20:32:18 | XavierGr | :P |
| 20:32:46 | GodEater | just promise now to share any more screenshots of your resulting masterpiece XavierGr ;) |
| 20:33:16 | XavierGr | I am proud of it :D |
| 20:33:41 | XavierGr | Actually I am thinking to make an irc script that does just like that on whole external text files |
| 20:35:43 | * | amiconn wonders how the irc colouring script chooses colours |
| 20:35:58 | GodEater | blindfold and pointy stick approach I think |
| 20:35:59 | amiconn | linuxstb and linuxstb_ are coloured differently... |
| 20:36:12 | toffe | something interesting for the ipod user : http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/present.php?p=Nike_iPod-Internals |
| 20:36:16 | linuxstb | I think the algorithm uses the first, middle and last characters. |
| 20:36:29 | amiconn | ...and markun is next to invisible |
| 20:36:35 | GodEater | I need to change nick then - I don't like being brown. |
| 20:36:44 | GodEater | I want to be blue or something |
| 20:37:01 | linuxstb | You'll need to r-e the algorithm then... |
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| 20:37:24 | * | linuxstb looks forward to speaking to BodFaten |
| 20:37:35 | GodEater | hehehe |
| 20:37:58 | GodEater | it has to be done now doesn't it ? |
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| 20:38:26 | bluebrother | looks like the script colors "The" |
| 20:38:30 | BodFaten | hmm |
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| 20:38:40 | linuxstb | Blue :) |
| 20:38:49 | BodFaten | nice guess |
| 20:38:54 | |Rincewind| | hi |
| 20:39:03 | BodFaten | or nice r-e-ing ;) |
| 20:39:13 | linuxstb | Lucky guess. |
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| 20:39:33 | |Rincewind| | does anyone where I have to add code to make a new global setting? |
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| 20:40:43 | * | GodEater points markun and toffe at the forums |
| 20:40:47 | |Rincewind| | there is a "know" missing in my last sentence |
| 20:41:33 | n1s | |Rincewind|: I'd guess settings.c and settings_list.c and maybe settings_menu.c |
| 20:41:49 | bluebrother | tried grepping for "global_settings"? |
| 20:42:46 | GodEater | I see another idiot has posted to the 80GB thread that didn't bother to read the rest of it |
| 20:42:46 | GodEater | sheesh |
| 20:43:10 | amiconn | Maybe it's an attempt to actually make the thread 80GB big? ;) |
| 20:43:19 | |Rincewind| | bluebrother: the output uf that is a little bit too much ^^ |
| 20:43:26 | GodEater | it still has some catching up to do I think |
| 20:43:30 | GodEater | the sansa one is HUGE! |
| 20:43:42 | bluebrother | try struct user_settings in apps/settings.h |
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| 20:44:02 | bluebrother | you need to restrict grep to promising files only of course |
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| 20:45:19 | |Rincewind| | I figured out settings.h and settings_list.c but I don't really know what to put in settings.c and if there are more changes needed elsewhere |
| 20:45:40 | * | bluebrother decides to leave uni for today ... seen too much bad code this day :( |
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| 20:45:42 | linuxstb | |Rincewind|: If I was you, I would find a similar setting, and then search the files for references to it. |
| 20:45:54 | linuxstb | And then do the same for your new setting. |
| 20:46:24 | * | GodEater watches the Vista launch on TV |
| 20:46:51 | |Rincewind| | that's the way to go, yes. I was just hoping that someone here has added a setting to the new system and can give me a shortcut |
| 20:47:27 | linuxstb | No, I don't think any new settings have been added since the change. |
| 20:48:11 | * | n1s knows someone who removed a setting tho ;-) |
| 20:48:29 | |Rincewind| | the problem is, there are a lot of function calls in settings.c that apply the settings but I don't know if that means that I have to write a function that does this, too. |
| 20:49:04 | |Rincewind| | they look like this: " spdif_power_enable(global_settings.spdif_enable);" |
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| 20:49:31 | amiconn | Depends on whether your code is apps or firmware |
| 20:49:56 | amiconn | Code in firmware must not access global_settings directly, hence the settings must be applied explicitly |
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| 20:50:26 | |Rincewind| | my code is definatly apps |
| 20:54:40 | |Rincewind| | ok, it looks like the only files I have to make changes to are settings.h and settings_list.c |
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| 21:16:15 | BiptoN | has anyone takin apart a belkin tunetalk yet or know how to make a jack that tricks the ipud into going to the record screen? |
| 21:17:42 | linuxstb_ | Why do you want to trick the Apple firmware? Just finish recording support in Rockbox... |
| 21:18:04 | BiptoN | recordi with rockbox has alot of noise |
| 21:18:27 | BiptoN | i don't know if it's from the hard drive or other parts |
| 21:18:28 | linuxstb_ | Because it's not finished. |
| 21:18:57 | linuxstb_ | The code in SVN is no more than a proof-of-concept. |
| 21:19:18 | linuxstb_ | There's no gain control, and there's a good chance the ADC isn't configured optimally. |
| 21:19:18 | BiptoN | i'm aware of that dave ;) just curious if anyone has annihilated a tunetalk yet |
| 21:19:46 | linuxstb_ | But this is #rockbox... |
| 21:19:58 | BiptoN | it is impressive rb has got recording workin on alot of units, where's the ipodlinux fellas have yet to get working |
| 21:20:18 | BiptoN | good call sorry for the dumb question here |
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| 21:21:05 | linuxstb_ | Do you have a tunetalk? It would be useful to know if it works in Rockbox. |
| 21:21:50 | BiptoN | nah i haven't bothered throwin down that much cash for a dumb little device, i just have the line-in jack i made from the linux gys schematics |
| 21:22:01 | BiptoN | if i do get one i will let you know though |
| 21:22:13 | BiptoN | and then take it apart |
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| 21:31:56 | BiptoN | linuxstb_: i was told rb supports compact flash, is that right? can i put a cf card in an ipod as a drive replacement and run rb? |
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| 21:34:53 | Zagor | BiptoN: possibly the ata startup ata tests will complain, but otherwise it should work fine |
| 21:35:14 | BiptoN | i tried one in my x5 and it gave an error -11 |
| 21:35:17 | BiptoN | hmm |
| 21:35:27 | BiptoN | that's good i have a 4g with no hd now |
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| 21:36:46 | Zagor | BiptoN: try commenting out various parts of ata.c:init_and_check() |
| 21:37:13 | BiptoN | zagor: alright, thanks for the info, i'll have to try that tonight |
| 21:37:38 | linuxstb | BiptoN: There's some info (and a patch I think) in the wiki by someone who put a CF card in an ipod mini - that may help. |
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| 21:38:17 | BiptoN | thanks linuxstb_ |
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| 21:40:20 | amiconn | Zagor: Is there a download dir that presents the raw irc log files? |
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| 21:40:57 | Terinjokes | any ipod nano 2GB users? |
| 21:41:02 | Zagor | amiconn: no, there's only the "view raw" link |
| 21:41:25 | Zagor | but the filenames are pretty predictable :) |
| 21:41:28 | BiptoN | linuxstb_: do you have an id # of that? I'm not pullin' it up in any searches |
| 21:41:39 | amiconn | Hmm. Somehow I need to teach DownThemAll to find the files |
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| 21:42:24 | preglow | Terinjokes: yeah, somewhat |
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| 21:44:02 | HardDisk_WP | disconnecting... |
| 21:44:27 | Zagor | amiconn: that's the fun of running windows :) |
| 21:45:13 | amiconn | DownThemAll is a firefox plugin, hence platform independent |
| 21:45:52 | Terinjokes | i use DtA on my PPC/Linux system :D |
| 21:46:23 | Zagor | my point was that downloading files daily is a typical cron job. not an applicaiton thing. |
| 21:46:32 | amiconn | I don't download daily |
| 21:46:43 | Zagor | I know - you run windows |
| 21:46:43 | Bagder | curl -O 'http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-200701[01-29].txt' |
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| 21:47:25 | amiconn | Zagor: That has nothing to do with the OS of choice |
| 21:47:35 | amiconn | On a laptop you can't download daily |
| 21:47:37 | GodEater | Terinjokes: are you still after a replacement apple firmware file ? |
| 21:47:51 | Terinjokes | GodEater: yes |
| 21:48:04 | GodEater | http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ |
| 21:48:10 | amiconn | Bagder: Hmm, does that back off from downloading files which are already there? |
| 21:48:10 | GodEater | they're all available there |
| 21:48:24 | Bagder | amiconn: no it does not, you need to adjust the dates |
| 21:48:43 | Terinjokes | GodEater: which iPod Nano should I be using (is there a difference?) |
| 21:49:25 | GodEater | Nano 1G 17.1.3 I'd guess |
| 21:49:31 | * | Zagor quietly notes that his laptop downloads files daily, but drops the subject |
| 21:49:41 | GodEater | just not the 2G of course |
| 21:50:31 | Terinjokes | naturally, its downloading in ipsw format... is this like a dd'd image or something (i know iTunes uses it... but I don't have iTunes) |
| 21:50:52 | GodEater | the .ipsw is a zip file |
| 21:50:52 | GodEater | unzip it |
| 21:51:04 | GodEater | Terinjokes: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8069.0 |
| 21:51:12 | GodEater | linuxstb wrote a nice guide there |
| 21:51:42 | GodEater | once you've dd'd the unzip firmware to your firmware partition, your ipod will need rebooting - and you need to leave it alone cos it'll immediately do a firmware upgrade |
| 21:51:43 | * | amiconn wonders whether he's the only one who thinks that too much automation is bad |
| 21:52:04 | * | preglow does too |
| 21:52:18 | * | GodEater doesn't |
| 21:52:23 | * | amiconn reminds Zagor of what run away cronjobs can do ;) |
| 21:52:28 | GodEater | touche |
| 21:52:32 | Zagor | haha |
| 21:52:55 | GodEater | omgz0r! Th3y h4x0r th3 s1t3!!! |
| 21:53:20 | * | Bagder reminds amiconn how much our cronjobs do |
| 21:54:33 | Bagder | crontab -l | grep -vc "^#" |
| 21:54:33 | Bagder | 21 |
| 21:54:36 | Terinjokes | thanks :D |
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| 21:54:55 | Bagder | (on the web site server) |
| 21:55:56 | amiconn | I'm not saying that cronjobs are bad in general |
| 21:57:14 | * | GodEater is very *very* impressed with the gigabeat port |
| 21:57:27 | amiconn | On a side note, windows has an equivalent of cronjobs. For those hard core commandliners, there's even a command line interface to it: the 'at' command |
| 21:57:45 | preglow | cron does more than at |
| 21:57:48 | preglow | afaik |
| 21:57:51 | GodEater | which is a huge gaping security hole in windows too! |
| 21:57:59 | Bagder | windows equivalent is rather poor the last time I tried it |
| 21:58:00 | preglow | like most things |
| 21:58:04 | * | linuxstb_ points to his "manual" download scripts for the logs - http://pastebin.ca/333301 |
| 21:58:16 | GodEater | Admin rights not enough for you ?!?! Use "at" and you get "SYSTEM" instead!!! |
| 21:59:06 | Bagder | ... and linuxstb's script could use curl -z to make it not download already downloaded files... |
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| 21:59:24 | linuxstb_ | If I had read the curl manual... |
| 21:59:36 | GodEater | hehe |
| 21:59:54 | Bagder | hey, there's only a 115 command line options! |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:03 | GodEater | a trifling amount |
| 22:00:05 | * | linuxstb_ expects curl to be able to do the whole script itself |
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| 22:00:56 | Mikachu | Bagder: the shell can expand the numbers too, {01..29} :) |
| 22:01:09 | Bagder | "the shell" not being portable then... |
| 22:01:17 | Mikachu | i even tried it in bash |
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| 22:01:27 | Bagder | bash isn't portable by my standards |
| 22:01:40 | Mikachu | it's what cygwin uses isn't it? |
| 22:01:40 | Bagder | but sure, some shells do that |
| 22:01:41 | linuxstb_ | 01..29 doesn't keep the leading zeros though (at least in my bash) |
| 22:01:58 | Bagder | Mikachu: yes it is |
| 22:02:05 | Mikachu | ah, zsh does though :) |
| 22:02:19 | Mikachu | well never mind then |
| 22:02:20 | Bagder | but curl runs on a few other systems than cygwin and linux ;-) |
| 22:02:38 | * | Bagder shuts up now |
| 22:03:17 | Mikachu | in a pinch you can {0{1..9},{10..31}} |
| 22:03:48 | linuxstb_ | I think it's easier to just type them out manually... |
| 22:04:49 | Mikachu | if you want all 5 years of irclogs i'm not so sure |
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| 22:09:34 | Terinjokes | grr... can't corrupt the partation table enough for the iPod to accept a new one |
| 22:09:53 | maquis | trying to corrupt the partition table? |
| 22:10:02 | Terinjokes | yeah, so I can fix the ipod |
| 22:10:16 | Mikachu | ?? |
| 22:10:39 | Terinjokes | long story... |
| 22:10:57 | maquis | Terinjokes: what platform are you on? |
| 22:11:10 | linuxstb_ | Can't you just "dd" a new partition table to it? |
| 22:11:19 | linuxstb_ | From http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ |
| 22:11:30 | Terinjokes | nevertheless, whatever I do, i only get '/dev/sda' and '/dev/sda1' (where is the ipod partation!) |
| 22:11:33 | maquis | does fdisk work for redoing the partitions? |
| 22:11:52 | linuxstb_ | Terinjokes: Are you on Linux or cygwin? |
| 22:12:00 | Terinjokes | linuxstb: I AM DDing the mbr onto the ipod, it doesn't seem to take effect though... |
| 22:12:07 | Terinjokes | linuxstb_: GNU/Gentoo |
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| 22:12:23 | linuxstb_ | Have you disconnected and then reattached your ipod? |
| 22:12:28 | Terinjokes | yep |
| 22:12:54 | Terinjokes | fdisk shows no partations.. |
| 22:13:18 | linuxstb_ | What command did you use with dd? |
| 22:13:25 | linuxstb_ | s/command/options/ |
| 22:15:02 | Terinjokes | 'dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=10' then after ejecting and repluging 'dd if=Desktop/mbr-ipod-nano.bin of=/dev/sda' and ejecting and replugging |
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| 22:15:42 | linuxstb_ | mbr-ipod-nano.bin isn't the correct filename - where did you get the file from? |
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| 22:16:16 | Terinjokes | yeah, the IRC window is above the desktop (moves window) i'm using 'mbr-nano2gb.bin' |
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| 22:16:42 | amiconn | hmm |
| 22:16:54 | linuxstb_ | Try deleting it and downloading again. And you only need count=1, not count=10. |
| 22:17:19 | Mikachu | wouldn't count=10 overwrite the fw partition? |
| 22:17:30 | Terinjokes | Mikachu: the point... |
| 22:17:32 | linuxstb_ | No, there are 62 spare sectors |
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| 22:17:51 | Terinjokes | i haven't gotten to put the firmware partation on the ipod yet (its missing...) |
| 22:17:52 | linuxstb_ | (Rockbox used to use one of those sectors for the config block) |
| 22:17:59 | Mikachu | if you want to overwrite the firmware partition, write to sda1 |
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| 22:24:32 | Terinjokes | hrm, seems to be writing anyways... (goes to make rockbox |
| 22:24:36 | Terinjokes | ipodpatcher* |
| 22:26:12 | * | Terinjokes goes to checkout all of rockbox to build ipodpatcher... |
| 22:26:40 | Redbreva | apart from tetex-base and tetex-extra, what else do I need to compile manuals? Sims and build make OK, but manuals fail |
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| 22:27:51 | Bagder | tetex-base and tetex-bin here |
| 22:28:24 | TrueJournals | Hey, what's songdbj in svn? |
| 22:28:27 | Bagder | but I'm not sure what's needed |
| 22:28:40 | Redbreva | got base, bin and extra :-( |
| 22:28:42 | amiconn | Building the html manual is a mostly hit and miss |
| 22:29:10 | amiconn | Even with htlatex installed it may fails with all sorts of error messages |
| 22:29:35 | Redbreva | I'm trying to get the pdf manual |
| 22:30:02 | linuxstb_ | What's the error message you get? |
| 22:30:36 | Redbreva | This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.21a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.4) |
| 22:30:49 | Redbreva | ! LaTeX Error: Missing \begin{document}. |
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| 22:32:15 | linuxstb_ | Which target? |
| 22:32:23 | Redbreva | nano |
| 22:32:48 | n1s | Redbreva: stupid question but do you have the manual source in your tree? |
| 22:33:02 | Redbreva | yes, I can see it.. |
| 22:33:27 | Bagder | TrueJournals: db generator in java for the old format |
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| 22:34:30 | linuxstb_ | Hmm, I could build the manual in the past, but now get the svnversion help text followed by an error about character encoding. |
| 22:34:45 | linuxstb_ | I mean an iconv error about bad input sequence |
| 22:35:06 | Redbreva | hmm, svn update and make again - this time I too get the iconv error |
| 22:35:21 | Redbreva | position 6664? |
| 22:35:28 | linuxstb_ | Yes. |
| 22:35:33 | linuxstb_ | Maybe the CREDITS file. |
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| 22:35:41 | Redbreva | Glad it's not just me |
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| 22:36:21 | Terinjokes | crap, I can't get the iPod bin file onto the ipod |
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| 22:37:10 | n1s | linuxstb_, Redbreva: I can confirm that error here too, worked fine with svn of yesterday, updated and boom. |
| 22:37:17 | Mikachu | what clever person came up with perl credits.pl < ../docs/CREDITS | iconv -f utf-8 -t iso-8859-1 > $(OBJDIR)/CREDITS.tex ? |
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| 22:37:51 | sonnybobiche | so... rockbox on my 5.5gen ipod seems to randomly freeze. it keeps playing music but doesnt respond to any controls. can't even turn it off |
| 22:37:56 | Zagor | Mikachu: looks wrong way around? |
| 22:38:10 | Mikachu | i don't know, tex doesn't support utf8 |
| 22:38:13 | Redbreva | hmm Jakub Matousek (accent over the s) |
| 22:38:33 | Mikachu | but you can't just convert utf-8 to latin1 |
| 22:38:36 | n1s | Redbreva: yes, remove the strange s and you're fine |
| 22:38:44 | n1s | at least I was |
| 22:39:43 | Redbreva | which file contains that text? |
| 22:39:46 | sonnybobiche | anyone have an idea whas going wrong with my setup? |
| 22:41:13 | Zagor | Mikachu: well, I assume the idea is to get a good result as can be done |
| 22:41:39 | Mikachu | i guess you want to transliterate, but i don't know how to do that |
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| 22:43:14 | Redbreva | OK, found it... it's in Docs not manual - getting the hang of it.. |
| 22:43:50 | Mikachu | maybe the safest way would be to maintain a separate latin1 credits file manually |
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| 22:44:12 | Zagor | Mikachu: what specifically is wrong with the result of that command? the output looks good to me. |
| 22:44:49 | Mikachu | Zagor: the problem is apparently that someone with a latin2 name contributed to rockbox and made the command fail :) |
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| 22:45:10 | maretard | hello! |
| 22:45:19 | Bagder | can't we just ask those countries to stop using those letters? ;-P |
| 22:45:29 | Mikachu | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/docs/CREDITS?r1=12158&r2=12159 |
| 22:45:32 | * | Zagor runs svn up |
| 22:45:37 | Zagor | Mikachu: ahaaa! |
| 22:45:50 | maretard | hey guys, i've got a quick question - does anyone know if the mpegplayer plugin is supposed to be bundled with the H10 20gig firmware? i can't find the plugin o_O |
| 22:46:34 | linuxstb_ | Read the PluginMpegplayer wiki page - mpegplayer is included, but it's a "viewer" - you just select a .mpg file in the file browser to launch it. |
| 22:46:48 | Zagor | when did CREDITS become utf-8 anyway? do we actually use utf8 anywehere? |
| 22:47:05 | Redbreva | add Jakub Matou?\197?\161ek to the credits on the front page does tend to suggest it's not a regular character |
| 22:47:27 | amiconn | iconv -f utf-8 -t iso-8859-1//translit does the trick |
| 22:47:31 | maretard | aaah i see, thanks, linuxstb_ |
| 22:47:48 | Mikachu | aha, so that's how you do it |
| 22:47:54 | Zagor | amiconn: gives a ? for me |
| 22:47:56 | amiconn | Zagor: All internal rockbox strings are utf-8 |
| 22:48:13 | Mikachu | it would be preferable if it gave an s :) |
| 22:48:15 | amiconn | Zagor: Yes, on your console, because your console uses utf-8 |
| 22:48:22 | Zagor | no it doesn't |
| 22:48:25 | amiconn | Mno |
| 22:48:37 | amiconn | For some reason it does work here (giving an s) |
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| 22:49:24 | Mikachu | i also get a ? |
| 22:49:51 | Zagor | LANG=en_US.ISO-8859-1, LC_ALL=C here |
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| 22:50:12 | Mikachu | Zagor: you are aware LC_ALL overrides all other LC_ vars? |
| 22:50:15 | amiconn | Without the //translit I get an error (same as the manual build) |
| 22:50:32 | Zagor | Mikachu: yes, all other LC vars are C too anyway |
| 22:50:45 | Zagor | I'm not a big fan of l10n |
| 22:50:50 | amiconn | I tested with iconv -f utf-8 -t iso-8859-1 docs/CREDITS |
| 22:51:12 | Bagder | how about "iconv -f utf-8 -t `locale charmap`//TRANSLIT" ? |
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| 22:51:21 | amiconn | Outputs the whole credits to the console, last line reading Jakub Matousek |
| 22:51:45 | amiconn | Bagder: tex needs iso-8859-1 iiuc |
| 22:51:59 | Mikachu | it needs some singlebyte encoding, preferably the same as the rest of the manual |
| 22:52:02 | Mikachu | :) |
| 22:52:34 | Mikachu | maybe iconv is better in windows |
| 22:52:48 | Zagor | amiconn: I get "illegal input sequence at position 4324". iconv v2.3.6 |
| 22:53:09 | amiconn | odd |
| 22:53:31 | amiconn | I tried both cygwin and debian now, works fine on both |
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| 22:54:06 | Zagor | debian unstable? |
| 22:54:10 | amiconn | yep |
| 22:54:14 | amiconn | iconv 2.3.6 |
| 22:54:22 | Bagder | hehe, the very same |
| 22:54:30 | Zagor | I'll run dist-upgrade and see if something changes |
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| 22:54:41 | amiconn | cygwin has an older one that doesn't output an own version number |
| 22:54:51 | amiconn | $ iconv −−version |
| 22:54:52 | amiconn | iconv (GNU libiconv 1.11) |
| 22:54:56 | amiconn | ^^ cygwin version |
| 22:55:08 | Bagder | they're two different ones, afaiu |
| 22:55:30 | Bagder | from libiconv and from glibc |
| 22:55:35 | amiconn | Hmm, but both do the trick with //translit here |
| 22:56:44 | * | amiconn fires up his linux vm to try the 3rd system: debian-testing-x86 |
| 22:57:26 | Redbreva | Ubuntu 6.10 works with amiconn command too (iconv 2.4) |
| 22:57:58 | amiconn | The other debian was debian-unstable-amd64 of course |
| 22:58:04 | Mikachu | i've tried 5 different systems, doesn't work on any :) |
| 22:58:19 | Zagor | try 'locale -a' and see if you have 8859-2 in the list. |
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| 22:58:54 | amiconn | $ locale -a |
| 22:58:54 | amiconn | bash: locale: command not found |
| 22:59:02 | amiconn | cygwin. |
| 22:59:12 | Mikachu | it works with libiconv |
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| 23:00:27 | preglow | bah, charsets |
| 23:00:36 | preglow | everyone should just use utf8 |
| 23:00:46 | preglow | and then forget about the issue |
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| 23:01:20 | Mikachu | latex3 should be out any decade now with utf8 support |
| 23:01:34 | amiconn | //translit works on debian testing as well (iconv 2.3.6) |
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| 23:02:23 | Mikachu | one of the systems i tried is debian, but it doesn't have any 88592 in locale -a output |
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| 23:03:12 | Redbreva | Actually it failed with illegal input sequence - once I remembered to revert the credits file :$ |
| 23:03:23 | Mikachu | it seems safe to say it doesn't work everywhere |
| 23:03:43 | amiconn | Zagor: No 8859-x locale on either debian box |
| 23:04:27 | amiconn | Only C, de_DE@euro, de_DE.iso885915@euro, de_DE.utf8 and POSIX |
| 23:04:29 | Zagor | this is interesting. it's obviously a config issue. |
| 23:04:59 | amiconn | One of them doesn't have the de_DE.utf8 |
| 23:05:06 | Zagor | hmm, I wonrder if 885915 affects this |
| 23:05:16 | Mikachu | amiconn: can you upload /usr/lib/gconv/gconv-modules somewhere? |
| 23:05:17 | amiconn | I doubt it... |
| 23:05:32 | amiconn | Why would it work on cygwin then? |
| 23:06:19 | Mikachu | wasn't cygwin the libiconv one? that worked here too, it carries around its own conversion tables |
| 23:06:34 | amiconn | aha |
| 23:06:43 | amiconn | Yes, cygwin uses the libiconv version |
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| 23:10:20 | linuxstb_ | After an "apt-get install locales-all", my iconv is now working... |
| 23:10:34 | Mikachu | i wonder which one did the trick |
| 23:10:53 | amiconn | Mikachu: amiconn.dyndns.org/gconv-modules-debian-testing-x86">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/gconv-modules-debian-testing-x86 and http://amiconn.dyndns.org/gconv-modules-debian-unstable-amd64 |
| 23:10:55 | bluebrother | tex is ASCII per default, but we use inputenc to be able using latin1 |
| 23:11:12 | bluebrother | there is also support for utf8 but that's not part of a standard installation |
| 23:11:38 | bluebrother | but I'd prefer using utf8 for the manual completely instead of iconv'ing the credits file |
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| 23:12:14 | Mikachu | hm, the gconv-modules thing is probably not it then |
| 23:12:40 | Mikachu | mine only has more lines |
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| 23:13:55 | bluebrother | using iconv -c might be an easy fix (but breaks the names of course) |
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| 23:14:29 | amiconn | bluebrother: //translit doesn't work for you? |
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| 23:15:09 | bluebrother | that works but produces a ? for me |
| 23:15:19 | amiconn | Odd... |
| 23:15:33 | * | bluebrother goes reading the iconv man page |
| 23:16:06 | Mikachu | if they're like other man pages from gnu it will be empty and refer to `info iconv` |
| 23:16:13 | preglow | Mikachu: latex does have some utf8 support, no? |
| 23:16:21 | preglow | i'm almost certain i've used utf8 with it |
| 23:16:37 | Mikachu | last time i checked i couldn't find any at least |
| 23:16:46 | bluebrother | I use utf8 for latex here mostly exclusively |
| 23:17:24 | bluebrother | http://www.unruh.de/DniQ/latex/unicode |
| 23:17:29 | amiconn | Anyway, replacing that accented s by a plain one would help on target as well (both bitmap targets with the majority of available fonts and the player's charcell display), but perhaps it would in fact be better to make full use of utf-8 instead?? |
| 23:17:41 | Zagor | amiconn: a present for you: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/listlogs.pl |
| 23:18:55 | * | bluebrother sed'ed the dates from the table an hour or so ago |
| 23:19:15 | bluebrother | but it was ugly as hell, I should learn sed a bit more ;-) |
| 23:19:15 | amiconn | Ooh, nice, thanks! :) :bookmarks: |
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| 23:26:20 | preglow | Zagor: i think perhaps the nick colours need some capping |
| 23:26:28 | preglow | Zagor: reading bright yellow on white isn't easy ;) |
| 23:26:48 | Zagor | heh, yeah |
| 23:27:12 | preglow | the colour limits would depend on the background colour, but i expect your script knows what that is |
| 23:27:38 | Zagor | for some reason green seems to be the worst color to max out |
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| 23:29:58 | Zagor | preglow: I removed background selection to avoid having to recalculate the nick colours |
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| 23:31:49 | Zagor | for example sonnybiche at 22:39 has a horrible colour, but it's not actually very bright. only #3f5 |
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| 23:33:04 | mattzz | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2162 can be closed, it's obsolete ;) |
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| 23:33:47 | Mikachu | done |
| 23:34:11 | Zagor | so the question is what a good cap algorithm would be. we want the f:s, otherwise all the colors gets gray and bland. |
| 23:34:13 | mattzz | thanks. Another one bites the dust ;) |
| 23:34:29 | bospaadje | hi all, i have installed rockbox on my ipod nano today and i'm having this problem: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5199 |
| 23:34:38 | Zagor | we just don't want many f:s on the same nick, especially green |
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| 23:35:10 | bospaadje | can anyone point me to where i can find the source code to apply the patch to, and instructions on how to build (config options)? |
| 23:35:34 | Zagor | there is probably massive amounts of research on this somewhere :) |
| 23:36:11 | Zagor | bospaadje: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
| 23:36:50 | bluebrother | Zagor: is it possible to detect alternate nicks, i.e. with _ or similar at the end? |
| 23:37:03 | bospaadje | seen that, i don't see where it points me to the source code to apply it to |
| 23:37:04 | Mikachu | Zagor: does your .pl print nick changes now? |
| 23:37:08 | Zagor | bluebrother: this is perl, everything is possible :) |
| 23:37:10 | Mikachu | i don't remember if i said it to you or the ether |
| 23:37:20 | Zagor | Mikachu: yes, if you show joins |
| 23:37:27 | bospaadje | though there is a link to 'using svn' - reading that now |
| 23:38:08 | bluebrother | the language that is automatically obfuscating itself? ;-) |
| 23:38:30 | Zagor | bluebrother: unfortunately there's not really a standard for alt nicks. people use nickwork and nicklaptop and whatnot that is impossible to detect |
| 23:38:36 | Mikachu | Nick Lloreanis now known as Paul_the_Nerd |
| 23:38:38 | Zagor | bluebrother: yeah, it's write-only :) |
| 23:38:39 | Mikachu | missing a space there |
| 23:39:20 | bluebrother | hmm. But detecting added _ and ^ would be a nice start, wouldn't it? At least quite some use that. |
| 23:39:37 | Zagor | bluebrother: yup |
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| 23:39:50 | bluebrother | or maybe stripping all characters outside of [a-zA-Z0-9] |
| 23:40:14 | Zagor | especially since I completely ignore nicks with css-illegal characters. that's why [IDC]Dragon got black, for example. |
| 23:40:20 | Mikachu | freenode has a policy for altnicks but i don't think anyone follows it :) |
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| 23:40:38 | Zagor | some escape tricks would probably be good for those |
| 23:40:44 | bluebrother | hmm, I wasn't even aware of that ;-) |
| 23:43:42 | bospaadje | hmm if i understand this correctly i have to download the source through svn, even if I only want to use it myself to apply a patch and build it, right? |
| 23:43:51 | Soul-Slayer | No. |
| 23:44:07 | Soul-Slayer | http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-source/rockbox-bleeding.tar.bz2 Direct link to source |
| 23:44:55 | bospaadje | is that link on the website somewhere? cause that would mean i've missed it |
| 23:44:55 | bluebrother | you need to use svn if you want some older release than the current bleeding edge |
| 23:45:00 | Zagor | Mikachu: space added |
| 23:45:15 | Soul-Slayer | It's with all the bleeding edge builds |
| 23:45:16 | bluebrother | bospaadje: look at the current build page |
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| 23:45:24 | Soul-Slayer | Named 'Source archive' |
| 23:45:41 | bluebrother | the last "player" |
| 23:46:17 | bospaadje | ah |
| 23:46:36 | Soap | and if you are going to be doing builds on a frequent basis, bospaadje, SVN will download just the new stuff, as opposed to downloading the entire thing every time. |
| 23:47:13 | bluebrother | hmm, so how should we address the iconv problem? Adding -c as a first fix? |
| 23:47:16 | bospaadje | yeah, i figured that.. for now i'm just trying this one patch |
| 23:47:31 | Soul-Slayer | bos, may I be nosy and ask which one :P? |
| 23:47:31 | bluebrother | doesn't look like there are too much other options |
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| 23:47:57 | bluebrother | which one what? |
| 23:48:09 | Soul-Slayer | Which patch he is going to apply. |
| 23:48:43 | bospaadje | the one from this bug report: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5199 |
| 23:49:27 | Soul-Slayer | Aha okay. Good luck :D. |
| 23:50:23 | bospaadje | thnx |
| 23:50:37 | Soap | wait! something other than eyecandy motivating people! what has the world come to?! ;) |
| 23:51:04 | Soul-Slayer | Craziness :o |
| 23:51:23 | bospaadje | it has succumbed to darkness :) |
| 23:51:35 | Soul-Slayer | That was very quick work, lool |
| 23:51:37 | Soul-Slayer | lol* |
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| 23:52:14 | bospaadje | what was? |
| 23:52:44 | Soul-Slayer | Well, are you referring to your ipod? |
| 23:52:53 | noodroog | hey, im having a problem getting the last.fm logger to work in rockbox for ipod video, when i select 'keep last.fm' log it tells me to reset the ipod, but even when i do that the 'no' option remains selected |
| 23:53:18 | bospaadje | lol, no |
| 23:53:21 | Soul-Slayer | Heh |
| 23:53:28 | bospaadje | my comment was a reaction to Soap |
| 23:53:39 | bospaadje | 'what has the world come to?' |
| 23:53:41 | Soul-Slayer | If you were, that would be the quickest patching/building/updating job I've ever seen |
| 23:53:42 | Soul-Slayer | Heh :p |
| 23:53:52 | Soap | are you shuting down your ipod cleanly (long press of play)? Or are you doing the hard-reset (menu+select)? |
| 23:54:04 | Soap | noodroog: ^ |
| 23:54:16 | noodroog | er |
| 23:54:18 | noodroog | hard-reset |
| 23:54:23 | Soap | there you go. |
| 23:54:25 | Soap | ;) |
| 23:54:30 | noodroog | it said to reset it... |
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| 23:54:58 | Soap | I /thought/ it said to "restart" it, but if it is saying reset that should be changed. |
| 23:55:07 | noodroog | well it says reboot |
| 23:55:12 | noodroog | which i assumed meant reset :o |
| 23:55:19 | noodroog | trying it now anyway |
| 23:55:35 | noodroog | aha seems to be working now :) |
| 23:55:36 | noodroog | thanks |
| 23:56:06 | noodroog | another problem though, every so often my ipod random defaults to the default rockbox settings when i turn it on (eg wiping out the bass and volume settings i had stored), is there a reason for that? |
| 23:56:11 | noodroog | *randomly |
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| 23:57:46 | bluebrother | damn, that won't work that easy |
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