| 00:00:49 | JohnyTheHess | No, wow! I will certainly do that. I read the manual but did'nt go to that link. Thanks. |
| 00:02:36 | JohnyTheHess | Got it here now thanks for the help. |
| 00:04:29 | Zagor | all these target names make me consfused. why am I connecting sansa with samsung? is there a samsung chip in it? |
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| 00:06:42 | preglow | Zagor: no |
| 00:06:47 | preglow | not afaik |
| 00:07:17 | preglow | sansa is pp based, on they're a flash manufacturer themselves, so i bet the flash chips are sandisk |
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| 00:07:24 | preglow | on/and |
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| 00:07:53 | Zagor | so it's just my normal confusion then |
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| 00:08:07 | preglow | probably :) |
| 00:08:49 | preglow | woot, i've now got a function capable of churning out one sine/cosine pair per 20 cycles! i rule! |
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| 00:10:05 | markun | preglow: you do :) will it be used for something nice? |
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| 00:10:27 | preglow | markun: nothing rockbox, it uses sse :/ |
| 00:10:34 | Soul-Slayer | Welcome back TrueJournals |
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| 00:11:01 | TrueJournals | hey |
| 00:11:08 | Soul-Slayer | Have experienced no lockups or other lag whilst playing music and general navigation so far :). |
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| 00:11:19 | TrueJournals | that's good... very good :-D |
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| 00:13:29 | Soul-Slayer | Hopefully not too far away from a commit now :P |
| 00:14:10 | TrueJournals | heh |
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| 00:14:23 | dan_a | It would be good if we could get a list of players which are/aren't having problems with FS #5755 |
| 00:14:38 | Soul-Slayer | Well, we need to test it out on iPods still |
| 00:14:47 | Soul-Slayer | However I can report it's working fine for the H10 5/6gb |
| 00:15:00 | Soul-Slayer | Atleast, TrueJournals version of it is |
| 00:15:14 | TrueJournals | yeah, I wish someone here had an iPod to test it on... |
| 00:15:27 | dan_a | I'll do 3&4G greyscale iPods and the Sansa tomorrow night |
| 00:15:49 | TrueJournals | cool |
| 00:16:19 | Soul-Slayer | Would it be worth trying out on a simulator? |
| 00:16:55 | Soap | sim, not em |
| 00:17:01 | dan_a | Soul-Slayer: Only to confirm it doesn't break them - simulators don't emulate the hardware. |
| 00:17:29 | Soul-Slayer | Aha, yes, I suddenly thought that after I said it... My bad :p. |
| 00:17:47 | TrueJournals | Someone just replied in flyspray with a H10 5 GB. they said it got rid of rebooting right at start up, but performance seemed "a bit sluggish"... But, with the past patches, some people have reported great improvement, and some people said sluggish, so I would say my patch fixes problems with kernel_on_cop_7 |
| 00:18:22 | Soul-Slayer | Let's hope so ^^ |
| 00:18:38 | Soap | I'll compile in KoCOP#8 right now for the iPod video. Results in ~1 hour. |
| 00:18:53 | Soul-Slayer | Good luck |
| 00:19:00 | TrueJournals | I was having problems with kop7 and scroll-margins and some other patches, so I'm trying to compile that right now to see if it causes problems still |
| 00:20:11 | dan_a | I don't think it *should* cause problems, unless scroll-margins affects a thread which we move over to the COP. |
| 00:20:31 | bluebrother | Bagder, Zagor, around? |
| 00:20:41 | TrueJournals | I wouldn't think so either... but for some reason, each patch alone worked, but together they caused problems |
| 00:20:44 | TrueJournals | really weird... |
| 00:20:44 | Zagor | I'm here |
| 00:20:52 | dan_a | The big question for me will whether or not to move the codec thread onto the COP at commit time, or just have the kernel there for now |
| 00:21:15 | bluebrother | I've got a license question. I'd like to add the ucs package to fix the utf8 issue for the manual |
| 00:21:21 | Soap | that's odd, TrueJournals - I never had problems with KoCOP and scroll-margins. |
| 00:21:31 | bluebrother | but I'm unsure if I really need to include the complete package. |
| 00:21:33 | TrueJournals | I didn't either until KoCOP7 |
| 00:21:43 | bluebrother | it's LPPL, http://www.latex-project.org/lppl.txt |
| 00:21:48 | Soap | well, did you ever get KoCOP7 working right at all? |
| 00:22:09 | TrueJournals | no |
| 00:22:16 | Zagor | bluebrother: reading... |
| 00:22:17 | TrueJournals | it was kinda sluggish I believe |
| 00:22:24 | TrueJournals | so that might've been it... |
| 00:22:29 | Soap | ok, so why are you bringing scroll margins into the equation? |
| 00:22:34 | Soap | I'm confused. |
| 00:22:40 | bluebrother | so it's "conditions on distribution", 2. and 3. mostly afaics |
| 00:22:48 | TrueJournals | just because it's the only way that it crashed right after showing debug screen |
| 00:23:09 | Soul-Slayer | I think he was just trying using the KoCOP patch with the patches he currently used, which happened to be the scroll margin patch, and got errors... Could be wrong but that's my interpretation |
| 00:23:39 | TrueJournals | exactly |
| 00:23:53 | TrueJournals | (debug screen = bootloader debug) |
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| 00:24:21 | Soap | Then why did you say "each patch alone worked", if KoCOP7 never worked alone? |
| 00:24:29 | Soul-Slayer | He means it didn't error |
| 00:24:42 | * | Zagor diffs LPPL v1.2 vs v1.3c |
| 00:24:43 | Soul-Slayer | KoCOP7 + Scroll margins = Impossible to even use |
| 00:24:53 | Soul-Slayer | KoCOP7 alone booted, but was sluggish |
| 00:25:01 | TrueJournals | exactly |
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| 00:25:43 | Soul-Slayer | It depends on how you interpret 'worked'. It didn't work as it was supposed to, but it did atleast boot into rockbox |
| 00:25:47 | * | linuxstb_ fails to understand the LPPL |
| 00:27:00 | Soap | FWIW, scroll margins + #7 behaved exactly the same for me as no scroll margins + #7. |
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| 00:27:31 | Soap | (the best I could tell, molassas in January vs molassas in Feburary perhaps ;) ) |
| 00:27:41 | Zagor | bluebrother: I'm afraid it looks like LPPL is no longer a free software license |
| 00:27:54 | Zagor | "Distribution of only part of the Work is considered modification of the Work, and no right to distribute such a Derived |
| 00:27:54 | Zagor | Work may be assumed under the terms of this clause." |
| 00:28:00 | bluebrother | hmm. Meaning we can't distribute it? |
| 00:28:23 | Zagor | it depends. it's incompatible with GPL, so we can't mix it. |
| 00:28:33 | linuxstb_ | Doesn't that just mean the right is covered by a different clause? |
| 00:28:35 | bluebrother | so if we distribute the complete package this isn't a modification |
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| 00:28:58 | Zagor | bluebrother: correct |
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| 00:29:24 | bluebrother | so would it be compatible with the manual license if we simply include everything in a subfolder? |
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| 00:30:28 | Zagor | bluebrother: is the manual GPL? |
| 00:30:42 | bluebrother | GFDL |
| 00:31:41 | Zagor | then we can't mix it in one package. Latex explicitly forbids distributing modified code, which is incompatible with GFDL. |
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| 00:32:02 | Zagor | but we can simply provide two separate downloads |
| 00:32:22 | bluebrother | hmm. In what way? |
| 00:32:24 | Mikachu | doesn't that make the resulting pdf undistributable? |
| 00:32:53 | Zagor | Mikachu: no, the licenses never apply to the works created. otherwise all gcc-compiled code would have to be GPL. |
| 00:33:31 | Zagor | bluebrother: Let's turn it around. Tell me want you'd like to do. |
| 00:34:07 | bluebrother | my idea was to create a new subfolder in the manual folder with the complete package files in it |
| 00:34:23 | Zagor | in svn? |
| 00:34:26 | bluebrother | and then modify the Makefile to use that styles found there |
| 00:34:32 | bluebrother | yes, ideally |
| 00:35:06 | bluebrother | another option would be to require anyone building the manual to download and create that folder himself |
| 00:36:12 | Zagor | I think that's probably the better option. A little more hassle, but safer and cleaner. |
| 00:36:39 | bluebrother | but as distributions ship packages I'm unsure if we could add it. |
| 00:36:44 | Zagor | after all we require builders to install a bunch of cross compilers, so this shouldn't be a big burden |
| 00:36:56 | Zagor | add it? |
| 00:37:12 | bluebrother | ok, so simply attach the distribution archive to the wiki page? |
| 00:37:23 | bluebrother | add in terms of adding to our source tree. |
| 00:37:39 | Zagor | how large is it? perhaps download.rb.org would be a better location. |
| 00:38:08 | bluebrother | 1.0MiB as tgz |
| 00:38:26 | bluebrother | it's also available as zip, I guess it's about the same size |
| 00:38:40 | Zagor | having it in svn could also tempt someone to commit a fix for something, which would immediately put us in violation of the license... |
| 00:38:50 | bluebrother | right. |
| 00:39:07 | Zagor | ok, 1MB is small enough to hang in the wiki |
| 00:39:17 | bluebrother | I would have added a notice in that case |
| 00:39:42 | Mikachu | i thought the license said you could modify it |
| 00:39:55 | Zagor | Mikachu: yes, but not distribute the modified result |
| 00:39:55 | linuxstb_ | What package are we talking about? |
| 00:40:11 | Zagor | linuxstb_: LaTeX |
| 00:40:13 | bluebrother | linuxstb_, http://www.unruh.de/DniQ/latex/unicode/ |
| 00:40:14 | Mikachu | that's sort of pointless |
| 00:40:20 | bluebrother | Unicode support for Latex |
| 00:40:21 | Mikachu | you're always allowed to modify code if you don't redistribute it |
| 00:40:23 | Zagor | Mikachu: indeed |
| 00:40:59 | linuxstb_ | Can't we just point people to that page and the install instructions there? |
| 00:40:59 | Mikachu | why is he so unwilling to let people modify it anyway? |
| 00:42:07 | Mikachu | (i don't expect an answer to that) |
| 00:42:11 | Zagor | :) |
| 00:42:56 | Zagor | linuxstb_: if we think that page is going to stick around, I agree we should simply link to it. |
| 00:43:06 | bluebrother | I guess he just choose some common latex license |
| 00:43:20 | Mikachu | and then finally the funny s character will work! |
| 00:43:30 | Zagor | bluebrother: yeah, but the question is why latex is so closed. |
| 00:43:37 | linuxstb_ | Anyone know what the Debian latex-ucs package is? |
| 00:43:43 | bluebrother | no idea |
| 00:43:58 | bluebrother | sounds like exactly this package |
| 00:44:25 | Zagor | "This package provides support for using UTF-8 as input encoding in LaTeX documents." |
| 00:44:43 | * | bluebrother just found that on the web |
| 00:44:50 | Zagor | install latex-ucs-doc to find out more :) |
| 00:45:22 | linuxstb_ | I've just installed it, and the README says (C) 2000 by Dominique Unruh <dominique@unruh.de> |
| 00:45:47 | bluebrother | that's the guy who wrote it. |
| 00:45:59 | Mikachu | latex-unicode in gentoo |
| 00:46:10 | linuxstb_ | The README is the same as the README on the website you linked to. So it looks like an identical package. |
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| 00:47:22 | linuxstb_ | So I don't think we need to distribute it ourselves. |
| 00:47:24 | preglow | bloody latex |
| 00:47:35 | preglow | someone please make something not stuck in the seventies |
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| 00:47:59 | Zagor | we tried using openoffice for a while |
| 00:48:09 | * | linuxstb_ fails to think of something in the Unix world not stuck in the seventies |
| 00:48:11 | preglow | also, something _better_ :) |
| 00:48:21 | preglow | linuxstb_: good point... |
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| 00:50:27 | Mikachu | complaining is always fun |
| 00:51:38 | Mikachu | i wonder if we will live to see the release of latex 3 |
| 00:51:55 | preglow | hahaha |
| 00:51:57 | preglow | yes, that'll be the day |
| 00:52:08 | preglow | the problem with latex 3, not that it'll ever be released, is that it's based on tex |
| 00:52:12 | Zagor | the devs probably aren't allowed to distribute it |
| 00:53:00 | preglow | tex is really just starting to get old |
| 00:53:36 | bluebrother | hehe |
| 00:53:47 | Mikachu | still, when you show a latex made printout to a windows user, they invariably go "ooo" |
| 00:53:55 | preglow | too bad, 'cause it's pretty good, but with flaws |
| 00:53:58 | preglow | like the font support |
| 00:54:01 | bluebrother | tex became a bit messy with all those macro packages floating around |
| 00:54:02 | Zagor | which problem did we have with openoffice that latex solved, anyway? I was never much involved with the manual. |
| 00:54:10 | preglow | Zagor: collaboration |
| 00:54:19 | linuxstb_ | Target-specific manuals. |
| 00:54:19 | Zagor | specifically? |
| 00:54:20 | Mikachu | it's hard diffing a gzipped xml file |
| 00:54:38 | Zagor | can't openoffice work with the raw xml files? |
| 00:54:45 | preglow | the openoffice manual was a one person thing, and it's not really easy to change that |
| 00:54:51 | preglow | also, what linuxstb says |
| 00:56:03 | Zagor | I don't have much of a clue about either format, but if you could dump the compression couldn't the oo xml work ok? or can't it mix many files into a single doc? |
| 00:56:05 | preglow | xml doesn't really make for the nicest patches either |
| 00:56:13 | preglow | with latex, it's easy to see what changes in a patch |
| 00:56:21 | Zagor | ok |
| 00:56:29 | bluebrother | I'm pretty sure we won't achieve that flexibility in terms of optional sections and formatting |
| 00:56:30 | preglow | plus, latex output looks nice |
| 00:56:43 | bluebrother | too bad we don't have formulae ;-) |
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| 00:56:49 | preglow | indeed, heh |
| 00:56:58 | Mikachu | you can jot down some equalizer equations |
| 00:57:00 | preglow | i rejoiced everytime i used to have to do math in latex, heh |
| 00:57:10 | bluebrother | reading formulae in latex code is quite fun once you get used to it |
| 00:57:12 | Zagor | we need more low-level codec math in the manual |
| 00:57:16 | Mikachu | extremely tangential is http://mathbin.net/ |
| 00:57:23 | Mikachu | i just saw it earlier today and came to think of it now |
| 00:57:25 | preglow | i've already got some in latex format :) |
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| 00:57:35 | bluebrother | btw, doxygen can use latex to put formulae inside its documentation |
| 00:58:10 | bluebrother | I once documented a heavy mathy function. The comment was nearly quite long, but the output awesome |
| 00:58:24 | Mikachu | nearly quite long? |
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| 00:58:37 | bluebrother | s/nearly// |
| 00:58:55 | bluebrother | It's gotten late here ;-) |
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| 01:00:54 | VolfieakaAxlgrea | yo |
| 01:01:04 | preglow | yoes |
| 01:01:10 | Mikachu | yoshizzle |
| 01:01:25 | VolfieakaAxlgrea | ive never checked out the irc before, its pretty cool |
| 01:01:31 | preglow | damn straight |
| 01:01:59 | VolfieakaAxlgrea | uh yeah. Anybody have any ipod problems |
| 01:02:11 | Mikachu | are you offering to fix them? |
| 01:02:33 | preglow | i could always use some pp documentation... |
| 01:02:59 | VolfieakaAxlgrea | i guess i am offering to fix them |
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| 01:03:29 | preglow | people do come in here from time to time with problems, yes |
| 01:03:41 | VolfieakaAxlgrea | im axlgreasetires except the nickname thing cuts off at Axlgrea |
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| 01:03:51 | Mikachu | that's very interesting |
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| 01:04:28 | VolfieakaAxlgrea | well i better get back to my chemistry poop. |
| 01:04:58 | VolfieakaAxlgrea | so many molecular equations so little time |
| 01:05:18 | Mikachu | i'm all about physics |
| 01:05:50 | VolfieakaAxlgrea | yeah i prefer physics to chemistry. but at the moment im focusing on chemistry. |
| 01:06:18 | bluebrother | ok, so we now have a new dependency for the manual but now it works fine for me again. |
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| 01:06:52 | Mikachu | how does this ucs thing resolve fonts for all different encodings? |
| 01:07:02 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: Did you read the discussion about /bin/dash earlier? |
| 01:07:13 | preglow | dash screws up on the makefile here |
| 01:07:21 | preglow | escape problems |
| 01:07:24 | Mikachu | it's extremely optimistic to point /bin/sh at anything but bash |
| 01:07:30 | preglow | Mikachu: word |
| 01:07:41 | bluebrother | yes |
| 01:07:52 | bluebrother | what tells dash if you call it with −−version? |
| 01:08:05 | Mikachu | dash: Illegal option −− |
| 01:08:38 | linuxstb_ | As preglow said, it's the escaping in the dash echo command that breaks things. |
| 01:08:56 | Mikachu | the man page for dash even states that it isn't posix compliant yet |
| 01:09:09 | bluebrother | urgh. |
| 01:09:37 | preglow | Mikachu: haha |
| 01:09:44 | bluebrother | is there a homepage for dash or do I need to grab it from the debian packages server? |
| 01:10:06 | preglow | i think dash behaved pretty different from most other shells i tried the same echo commands on |
| 01:10:19 | Mikachu | it says "We expect POSIX conformance by the time 4.4 BSD is released." |
| 01:10:22 | Mikachu | i assume they refer to netbsd |
| 01:10:31 | bluebrother | :( |
| 01:10:32 | Mikachu | which is currently at 3.1 |
| 01:10:59 | preglow | isn't dash a debian thing? |
| 01:11:07 | Mikachu | Description: Debian-version of NetBSD's lightweight bourne shell |
| 01:11:37 | bluebrother | why does debian need to do everything different? |
| 01:11:47 | Mikachu | only ubuntu does the crazy thing |
| 01:11:56 | preglow | yeah |
| 01:12:02 | preglow | they primarily do to speed up startup |
| 01:12:03 | preglow | but hell |
| 01:12:07 | Mikachu | i doubt they can compile much of anything |
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| 01:12:09 | preglow | why'd they have to redirect /bin/sh for that? |
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| 01:12:20 | Mikachu | i doubt bash takes a significant portion of bootup time |
| 01:12:25 | preglow | Mikachu: actually, this is the first problem i've come across |
| 01:12:32 | bluebrother | so ... the current version of dash is 0.5.3? |
| 01:12:47 | Mikachu | looks like it |
| 01:13:26 | bluebrother | ok. I'll try it tomorrow |
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| 01:13:41 | bluebrother | but now I should go for some sleep. Late here. |
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| 01:20:59 | Zagor | time for the overnight tailreader test. g'night all. |
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| 02:14:33 | * | pixelma wonders what package (if there is) a cygwin user has to get for being able to build the manual now |
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| 02:18:19 | preglow | the same package as the linux users, i'd imagine |
| 02:18:47 | pixelma | I can't find one named tetex-ucs or tetex-unicode |
| 02:19:17 | preglow | find one where? |
| 02:19:48 | pixelma | in the cygwin installer |
| 02:19:50 | preglow | cygwin itself probably doesn't have it, but latex packages should work fine regardless of os, so just get it at ctan or something |
| 02:20:21 | pixelma | thanks... I'll look at it |
| 02:20:38 | preglow | i'm sure bluebrother will be eager to assist when he wakes up anyway ;) |
| 02:20:38 | preglow | good night |
| 02:21:29 | pixelma | night |
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| 02:49:08 | TrueJournals | wow, a lot going on in here... |
| 02:50:37 | JdGordon | this is the peak time :p |
| 02:50:53 | TrueJournals | stupid patches... |
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| 02:57:07 | midgey | TrueJournals: try again, i added palette-presets.h to the patch this time |
| 02:58:06 | TrueJournals | Yup, building this time... thanks :-D |
| 02:58:21 | midgey | which target are you on |
| 02:58:26 | TrueJournals | H10 20 GB |
| 02:58:56 | midgey | you said you dont have the same issue as barrywardell? |
| 02:58:56 | TrueJournals | I'll have to try to re-create barry's error... |
| 02:59:02 | midgey | ok |
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| 03:03:27 | TrueJournals | OK, loaded ROM... going to options menu... |
| 03:04:12 | TrueJournals | Nope, I don't get anything... I just changed the screen ratio and it changed fine... |
| 03:05:18 | midgey | ok, so it seems to be only an issue for barry, strange |
| 03:05:25 | TrueJournals | very strange... |
| 03:05:50 | midgey | are you building from linux, mac, or windows? |
| 03:05:58 | TrueJournals | linux... vmware |
| 03:06:27 | Soap | TrueJournals: I left a comment on FS. #8 works like a charm. |
| 03:06:51 | TrueJournals | I saw! Glad to hear it :-D |
| 03:06:52 | perldiver | was midkay around? |
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| 03:26:06 | Lorendo | Hello |
| 03:26:08 | Lorendo | anyone?! |
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| 03:45:30 | Llorean | Does flyspray have any tools for dealing with a task that's gone "off topic" as it were? |
| 03:47:16 | Soap | not my 5755 comment I hope? |
| 03:48:58 | Soap | PS, Llorean "... regarding _user_ of real words." ;) |
| 03:50:29 | Llorean | Soap: Regarding 6095 |
| 03:50:47 | Llorean | On which certain users feel that discussing increasing the base processor frequency is a valid topic of discussion. |
| 03:50:59 | Llorean | Because perhaps people can't understand that "freezing" is different from "music skips" |
| 03:51:30 | Llorean | Oh, and I'm accused of flaming simply for trying to explain that it needs to stay on one topic. |
| 03:52:26 | Llorean | Put I'm kinda tired of receiving emails letting me know that yes, running the iPod 30mhz faster does in fact allow playback and the menus to run more smoothly, when I just want to know when they get the PP5020 scaling bug fixed. |
| 03:53:35 | dewdude | indeed. my ipod froze this morning..i don't know why...it just hardcore decided to freeze. |
| 03:53:58 | dewdude | i would still rather put up with buggy software than what came with the unit. |
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| 04:03:24 | Soap | uh, I thought that task was about the 5020 scaling bug. WTF is w1ll14m doing changing the focus of the thread. w1ll14m I notice you are here, so don't think I am talking behind your back, but it seemed to take w1ll14m long enough to realize the 5th gen didn't have a 5020. |
| 04:04:24 | Soap | and the 5th gen 60GB has the same processor as the 30GB, NOT a 5020. |
| 04:05:22 | Soap | nevermind, I scroll down more through this quagmire, and see you already addressed that Llorean. |
| 04:05:59 | hcs | nooo, my precious thread... |
| 04:07:11 | Soap | not to mention I see all sorts of bluster about longer playback times, and not a single valid battery test to back up the claims. |
| 04:07:31 | Llorean | Soap: The longer playback times are possibly valid for the H10 users. |
| 04:07:39 | Llorean | Who would still get scaling out of that patch. |
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| 04:08:08 | Llorean | But it doesn't boost nearly as often, so the bug just isn't be triggered, rather than being fixed (or it seems that way, since without the increased CPU speeds, it seems to still happen) |
| 04:08:48 | Llorean | But even though I addressed that, people are still trying to talk about increasing the CPU speed. And unlike the forums, I can't just "split" it, and then say "This is what this task is about, stay on-topic or I'll remove your posts" |
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| 04:11:28 | Soap | I'd be tempted to close it, open two others, and block-paste relevant comments lump-sum into the two new tasks. Removing cruft like "I've been playing mp3s for about 1.5 hours nonstop now." in the process. |
| 04:11:50 | Llorean | There's over 100 replies. |
| 04:12:23 | Llorean | I was tempted, just closing it and trying to fix it isn't going to force the people posting in it to have a clue about posting in the new ones. |
| 04:13:22 | TrueJournals | did a new task get opened for just boosting the frequency, instead of actually fixing the problem? |
| 04:13:39 | Soap | 'tis a fine line between squashing a young (misguided) idea and maintaining order. But it is such a mess now. |
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| 04:14:28 | Llorean | TrueJournals: No. Instead they seem to feel they're in the right and continue posting there. |
| 04:14:42 | TrueJournals | :rolleyes: great |
| 04:14:48 | TrueJournals | anyway, I gotta go... see ya |
| 04:14:52 | Llorean | Apparently, I've just a "flamer" for saying it's off-topic |
| 04:14:56 | TrueJournals | and good luck with that... |
| 04:15:12 | MrB | ...anyoen here who can answer a quick question about WPS coding? |
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| 04:16:10 | Soap | nobody can answer an unasked question... |
| 04:18:22 | MrB | ...i'd like to know if you can have a conditional statement inside another conditional statement |
| 04:19:12 | Soap | I don't know the answer to that one. I assume you tried, it didn't work, and you're curious if your syntax was correct? |
| 04:19:27 | MrB | yeah i'll post the line |
| 04:20:19 | MrB | %?C<%e|99|41|121|3|FFFFFF|%?ia<%ia|%?d2<%d2|Artist Unknown>>|%e|18|41|121|3|FFFFFF|%?ia<%ia|%?d2<%d2|Artist Unknown>>> |
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| 04:45:10 | aliask | I'm aliask on ocau, but I havn't been there in over 2 or 3 years |
| 04:45:26 | JdGordon | ok |
| 04:45:28 | JdGordon | grr...gtg |
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| 06:06:28 | hachi | what's ocau? |
| 06:10:26 | JdGordon | the 2nd largest geek forum in australia... could actually be the largest now |
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| 06:27:56 | gao | how to run rockbox_ifp simulator on winndows xp ? |
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| 06:31:35 | crakmnky | <−−first time trying rockbox... I get an error when running ipodpatcher 3 -r bootpartition.bin |
| 06:31:58 | crakmnky | goes to [INFO] Writing 80262 sectors to output file |
| 06:32:09 | crakmnky | then I get: Error reading from disk: The semaphore timeout period has expired. |
| 06:32:57 | crakmnky | and this: [ERR] write in disk_read: Invalid argument and this: [ERR] −−read-partition failed. |
| 06:33:14 | crakmnky | anyone know what could cause this? |
| 06:33:41 | crakmnky | w/ a gen 4 black and white ipod |
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| 06:42:46 | crakmnky | I'll try it from osx86 :P |
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| 08:11:56 | JdGordon | poor table :p |
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| 08:13:00 | bluebrother | Bagder: looks like the daily manuals are still broken |
| 08:14:12 | Llorean | JdGordon: I'm beginning to think that decayed.cell is intentionally ignoring things I've said. |
| 08:15:09 | JdGordon | hehe |
| 08:15:15 | bluebrother | btw, it would be nice to have the build log file available somewhere. Like, put it at the same location the pdf is, and use the same name (except for the extension) |
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| 08:20:39 | bluebrother | Llorean: you asked something about the manual yesterday. Sorry for ignoring you, I was quite busy with work that time |
| 08:21:04 | bluebrother | so you want to build a specific version that includes only the target-specific texts? |
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| 08:23:07 | Llorean | bluebrother: Well, I was looking for a way to easily printout nearly everything to read through. I've never fully sat down and read things, but I wanted to say, compare the install sections for each, etc. |
| 08:24:46 | bluebrother | tucoz had the idea of a stripped down version too. |
| 08:25:14 | Llorean | Sadly, I still think best when presented with things on a piece of paper. |
| 08:25:46 | bluebrother | I'm not sure if that will help that much, as the idea is to have everything important first, so impatient users can explore the usage themself without the manual |
| 08:26:25 | bluebrother | but it might be worth a try −− simply remove (locally) everything that's more information than a first start and look if people like that |
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| 08:26:50 | Llorean | bluebrother: Oh, I think we're talking about two different ideas. |
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| 08:26:57 | bluebrother | the manual is build using optional blocks −− the the text for all players is at the "same" place and gets replaced when building |
| 08:27:10 | * | bluebrother isn't fully awake yet |
| 08:27:27 | bluebrother | which might be the reason then ;-) |
| 08:27:52 | Llorean | I was looking for a way to printout all the optional sections of the manual easily. Basically a "full" manual, assuming that you had one target that had *every* feature. Plus all the unique install processes. |
| 08:28:17 | bluebrother | ah. Sure, that's easy |
| 08:28:22 | Llorean | That's what I thought |
| 08:28:37 | Llorean | But I'm not familiar with Tex, so I wanted to ask if it was considered relatively easy before I went and investigated. |
| 08:29:01 | bluebrother | take the files in the platform/ folder and have a look at the first lines −− those \edef\UseOption |
| 08:29:28 | bluebrother | and simply add all options that are defined somewhere in one platform file, and build using that |
| 08:29:33 | Llorean | Thanks |
| 08:29:44 | bluebrother | the result might look horribly chaotic though ;-) |
| 08:30:30 | bluebrother | by that you can also replace the buttons names with something else ... hmm, this might indeed be a good idea to find out where the action codes are already used |
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| 08:35:55 | safetydan | can I just say that invadrox rules. |
| 08:36:01 | safetydan | shame it's almost unusable on the h120 |
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| 08:38:56 | midkay | safetydan: blurring? |
| 08:39:23 | safetydan | midkay, yeah, so much that you can't even see your bullets |
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| 08:39:33 | decayedcell_ | The ATA read/write functions have ASM-optimised versions for the Coldfire and SH-1 processors. An ARM version should hopefully greatly improve disk read/write speeds. - was this done in SVN 12099 |
| 08:39:36 | midkay | ouch.. damn that slow slow slow LCD. |
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| 08:40:03 | * | safetydan wonders if we can add effects to the sim to more closely simulate the lcd of the target |
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| 08:40:20 | midkay | haha. |
| 08:41:02 | safetydan | decayedcell_, yes |
| 08:44:25 | * | decayedcell_ updates wiki |
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| 08:47:45 | fidjit | hiho all |
| 08:48:43 | bluebrother | hohi |
| 08:48:47 | GodEater | what did Zagor do to the reader ?!? |
| 08:49:11 | fidjit | just posted a question, but just found irc |
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| 08:49:21 | GodEater | trying to read today's log is impossible now |
| 08:49:23 | fidjit | anybody know about the battery capacity indicator ? |
| 08:49:49 | Llorean | fidjit: What about it? |
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| 08:50:20 | Zagor | GodEater: a mistake. reload now. |
| 08:50:24 | fidjit | gigabeat x30, specs show it has an 830mah batt, there settings in rockbox show 1500+ cap |
| 08:50:35 | fidjit | shows empy after about 7 hours onscreen but is still going |
| 08:50:46 | fidjit | how can i make the the onscreen indicator more accurate ? |
| 08:50:53 | Llorean | fidjit: That value, the one you can set, is just for Runtime Approximation. For when it tells you that you have X hours left. |
| 08:51:08 | fidjit | running battery benchtest now to see exactly i can get out of it |
| 08:51:26 | Llorean | The onscreen indicator is based on the read voltage. You can't do too much regarding it, until I believe things can be calibrated by knowing how low it has to be shut down. |
| 08:51:43 | decayedcell_ | Is anyone having issues with PluginDoom turning off the backlight when it starts a game or is it just mean |
| 08:51:54 | fidjit | how can i assist, is battery bench test the best way ? |
| 08:52:16 | decayedcell_ | Battery Bench would just turn it off when it reads a certain voltage wouldn't it |
| 08:52:21 | Llorean | decayedcell_: Are you using any patches? |
| 08:52:40 | fidjit | but does that help "calibrate" for the gigabeat if i can provide these figures ? |
| 08:52:44 | decayedcell_ | Llorean: yes |
| 08:52:50 | Llorean | fidjit: Are you following the listed procedureds for doing a decent battery bench? |
| 08:53:04 | Llorean | decayedcell_: Some patches cause Doom to work improperly. |
| 08:53:16 | fidjit | ummm think so, start battery bench test and run flat out till it dies :-) |
| 08:53:18 | decayedcell_ | Llorean ah okay |
| 08:53:19 | Zagor | GodEater: I added "tail" functionality (so you don't have to reload) and autoscroll. but I forgot to make autoscroll optional... :-) now it is. |
| 08:53:35 | Llorean | decayedcell_: Please, don't ever ask "is anyone getting this problem" in here when you're getting it on a patched build and haven't yet tested it with an unpatched one. |
| 08:53:56 | decayedcell_ | Llorean okay then |
| 08:54:31 | Llorean | fidjit: Yes, but what settings do you have enabled, are you using the default theme, and what format is your playlist, etc? |
| 08:55:05 | Llorean | How long it takes for the batteries to die can depend a lot on whether you're using the equalizer, whether you have headphones plugged in or not, whether you press any buttons (or light up the backlight), etc. |
| 08:55:33 | fidjit | ahhh , i keep pressing buttons to see if it's still going :-) |
| 08:55:36 | fidjit | no equilizer |
| 08:55:37 | fidjit | headphones in |
| 08:55:42 | fidjit | directory cache |
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| 08:55:49 | fidjit | database cache |
| 08:55:53 | fidjit | 3 sec backlight off |
| 08:56:06 | fidjit | shuffle |
| 08:56:59 | GodEater | Zagor: thank you - that's what I needed! |
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| 08:58:07 | Llorean | fidjit: Continued button pressed, lighting up the backlight, will have a noticeable negative effect on it. |
| 08:58:19 | Llorean | You should have headphones plugged in, and just listen at them to see if it's still going. |
| 08:58:46 | fidjit | i can't program so how can i help with the gigabeat port then especially in terms of battery indicator accuracy ? |
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| 09:01:30 | Llorean | fidjit: File a bug report that the estimated runtime remaining is invalid, and then attach a few good battery benchmarks to it. |
| 09:01:53 | Llorean | Include mention that there's not a mAH value for the default battery |
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| 09:05:40 | GodEater | ah - I asked someone about that last night - they said they thought the GB battery was 850mAH |
| 09:05:44 | GodEater | which sounds awfully low to me |
| 09:05:57 | amiconn | bluebrother: Hmm, am I wrong in thinking that defining all options in the platform file still won't give you all alternative texts? (because of \opt and \nopt which are always mutually exclusive?) |
| 09:05:58 | fidjit | that's what i says on the hardware spec on rockbox |
| 09:06:25 | GodEater | I'm amazed if that's true. I'm sure I've seen someone say they've got 19 hours runtime out of it |
| 09:06:45 | GodEater | I don't think we got that on the H1x0s with the stock battery, and that's a 1300mAH |
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| 09:07:17 | amiconn | GodEater: Irivers (both H1x0 and H300) get 20+ hours with stock battery |
| 09:07:21 | amiconn | ...and rockbox |
| 09:08:51 | GodEater | my mistake then. |
| 09:09:16 | GodEater | but that still means the GB battery life is pretty amazing with such a low mAH figure for a stock baterry |
| 09:09:29 | Llorean | GodEater: The vast majority of H120s have batteries old enough to only get 12-16 in Rockbox now, but a fresh one at 1300 should get ~21 hours under decent use conditions. |
| 09:09:46 | GodEater | heh - that's what I was going to say |
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| 09:10:02 | GodEater | the battery in mine has been failing for so long - I'd forgotten how good it used to be |
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| 09:11:26 | fidjit | well, just removed 4 screws but can't easily remove back cover :-( |
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| 09:12:53 | * | GodEater spots another genius trying to get Rockbox working on a 2G Nano by magic means. (i.e. just installing it and hoping it'll work) |
| 09:13:16 | Llorean | GodEater: I think he may be confusing the words "mini" and "nano" a bit, if it's the one I'm thinking of. |
| 09:13:47 | GodEater | I just spotted that too - I asked him to clarify |
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| 09:20:47 | Llorean | Should there be an awful lot of warnings while making the manual? |
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| 09:22:51 | * | Llorean wishes people would quit spamming the 60/90 patch on other tasks. |
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| 09:24:29 | markun | fidjit: at least on the F series it's very easy to remove the front and back |
| 09:24:57 | markun | just remove the screws on the bottom and slide the front or back up |
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| 09:25:21 | fidjit | markum, 2 screws on bottom, one in lanyard connector and one big one on the back. |
| 09:25:38 | fidjit | i'm not inept at taking things apart, but can't seem to easily get it off :-( |
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| 09:25:57 | * | GodEater is proud of his PDF Viewer thread response. |
| 09:26:25 | fidjit | covers 3 sides with the buttons through the rhs |
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| 09:27:26 | Llorean | decayedcell: Please, stop talking about off-topic patches on Tasks. |
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| 09:28:02 | Llorean | w1ll14m: Please, stop posting off-topic patches on unrelated tasks. You can create a new task, and then mention they're related, if you must. |
| 09:28:03 | * | dan_a echos Llorean's remark both at decayedcell and at w1ll14m |
| 09:28:06 | decayedcell | Llorean okay |
| 09:28:24 | Llorean | decayedcell: I already closed 6095 because you and w1ll14m wouldn't shut up about running the CPU faster. |
| 09:28:50 | Llorean | 140 comments of which maybe only 2/3 actually relate to the goal of stopping the freezes, and the other 1/3 are just about getting the menus smoother. |
| 09:29:23 | markun | fidjit: btw, we are doing some measurements right now to see how we can improve battery life |
| 09:29:41 | markun | It looks like the battery scaling is doing more harm than good for example |
| 09:29:47 | markun | eh.. CPU scaling |
| 09:29:58 | Llorean | markun: Wait, running at 100mhz has worse battery life than at 300? |
| 09:29:59 | fidjit | battery life seem pretty good, just that the battery indicator is way off. It's been 0 for about 3-4 hours now |
| 09:30:23 | decayedcell | Llorean i think he means the constant switching between frequencies may actually be worse? |
| 09:30:32 | fidjit | i'd like some judgement as to when the battery will run out. |
| 09:30:46 | markun | Llorean: no, it looks like the consumption is the same at 100 and 300! |
| 09:31:00 | fidjit | not that i'm complaining you understand, you've done a great job on it so far !! :-) |
| 09:31:06 | Llorean | decayedcell: yes, but "better or worse" doesn't matter, only "solved" and "not solved". We know that switching is the problem. We know that switching less makes the problem LESS LIKELY to happen. |
| 09:31:14 | markun | but I'm not 100% sure, dune2 will do some better tests |
| 09:31:14 | Llorean | But fixing the problem is different from avoiding it. |
| 09:31:33 | Llorean | markun: That's very strange. |
| 09:31:45 | markun | yes, I was surprised as well |
| 09:31:48 | fidjit | if i can assist in the testing any way just let me know i don't think there's many x series out there as it was only released in jap and aus i think |
| 09:31:50 | Llorean | decayedcell: We can already avoid the problem all we want. There's a 100% consistently working workaround for the problem. |
| 09:32:07 | LinusN | "Patient: Doctor, it hurts when i pinch my arm. Doctor: Then don't do that." |
| 09:32:08 | markun | fidjit: ok, I'll let you know |
| 09:32:10 | decayedcell | so to solve the problem we need to know exactly what is causing the problem, then find a possible solution, test it, then make a diff? |
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| 09:32:24 | fidjit | markun: you can get my details from the forum i assume |
| 09:32:45 | decayedcell | yeah alright and this is better than avoiding the problem. Okay I understand now |
| 09:32:56 | fidjit | markun: i can't program but if i can help in any way :-) |
| 09:33:04 | Llorean | decayedcell: Glad you do. I only said it twice already on the comments on task. |
| 09:33:07 | dune2 | hey everybody, i'm getting a 0.01ohm resistor to do the measurement on the battery current |
| 09:33:59 | decayedcell | Llorean are you darkone out of curiosity? |
| 09:34:07 | Llorean | LinusN: The solution to "boosting frequently causes the iPod to freeze" was apparently "Run the CPU faster so it doesn't boost as frequently" |
| 09:34:08 | Llorean | decayedcell: Yes. |
| 09:34:52 | decayedcell | so this all just comes back to not understanding the hardware enough |
| 09:34:55 | LinusN | Llorean: yes i know, hence the joke |
| 09:35:22 | Llorean | LinusN: Of course, we already knew that which is why there's a no-boosting build in the forums. :) |
| 09:35:40 | Llorean | LinusN: It does look like there is a proper working solution though, if you combine some of the work there with the Kernel_On_Cop patch, so that's hopeful. |
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| 09:37:17 | decayedcell | so, what exactly causes the freeze |
| 09:37:42 | tucoz | LinusN: the issue is definitley back. It sounded like a "mistlur" for half a second when i powered on my h120 this morning |
| 09:38:11 | tucoz | it only happens when the player has been off for some time (like overnight) |
| 09:38:24 | LinusN | decayedcell: if only we knew that... |
| 09:38:44 | GodEater | decayedcell: if we knew that, we could fix it |
| 09:39:14 | LinusN | GodEater: you just made it to the GoldenQuotes page |
| 09:39:33 | Llorean | decayedcell: We know that it's triggered when the CPU either boosts or unboosts. |
| 09:40:08 | Llorean | Which suggests we either aren't changing the speed properly, or that the COP needs to be handled properly when this happens and we aren't doing that yet. |
| 09:40:17 | Llorean | But only "suggests" |
| 09:40:17 | decayedcell | ah okay so reducing the boosting is just avoiding the bug, but its really still there like you mentioned |
| 09:40:32 | Llorean | Pretty much |
| 09:40:59 | Llorean | Reducing the boosting just makes it less likely the bug will trigger, but doesn't guarantee it's gone, and at the same time isn't really related to the objective. |
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| 09:41:28 | tucoz | Slasheri: in the newest bootloader, could you investigate what you do differently compared to the old bootloader. It has something to do with resetting the uda i think. |
| 09:41:56 | tucoz | Slasheri: speaking of the h120 here |
| 09:42:13 | markun | LinusN: do you know something about clock modes in the ARM by any chance? |
| 09:42:32 | LinusN | nope, not a thing |
| 09:42:49 | LinusN | which reminds me, i had a look at skyeye yesterday |
| 09:43:01 | rp- | dan_a: anything new on the freezing sansa? |
| 09:43:03 | GodEater | LinusN: hahaha - glad you liked that. |
| 09:43:09 | LinusN | GodEater: :-) |
| 09:43:11 | Slasheri | tucoz: the new bootloader does not initialize all hardware (including not resetting uda) when loading rockbox from ram/rom |
| 09:43:23 | Slasheri | tucoz: however, lodaing from disk, it should work as before. Could you test that? |
| 09:43:46 | Llorean | LinusN: Looking at SkyEye to see if it looks like it could be used for some things? |
| 09:43:55 | tucoz | sure, i'll do that when i boot it up tomorrow morning |
| 09:44:30 | tucoz | Slasheri: the problem is that this only happens when the player has been off for quite a while |
| 09:44:33 | LinusN | yes, for reverse engineering arm code |
| 09:45:21 | Llorean | LinusN: Are signs hopeful? |
| 09:45:40 | decayedcell | Slasheri: I have heard from linuxstb that you've found the hardware registers to control the LCD on 5G iPods... is it possible to make a patch to utilise this |
| 09:46:29 | LinusN | well, it looks quite competent - i don't know how hard it would be to run 2 cores, but it seems quite simple to add simulated hardware, like ata, lcd, timers etc |
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| 09:47:27 | Llorean | Well, that's promising at least. |
| 09:47:33 | mitch04 | hello |
| 09:47:55 | mitch04 | just wondeirng i was here before any up date news for anyone that knows how to get past the checksum |
| 09:48:30 | Llorean | What problem exactly are you having. |
| 09:48:41 | Llorean | "Getting past" the checksum is automatic if nothing goes wrong... |
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| 09:50:23 | LinusN | Llorean: the documentation is in chinese though... |
| 09:50:36 | Llorean | LinusN: That is... not ideal. |
| 09:51:04 | decayedcell | well if it helps I'm chinese and I have chinese friends that could translate... if its not overly technical |
| 09:51:06 | mitch04 | well this gie rewrote the firmware and cleaned up VERNEL32 + |
| 09:51:18 | Slasheri | decayedcell: in fact i didn't, it was just probably an I/O port direction register and changing its value activated internal pull-up resistors or something like that and dropped the backlight brightness a bit |
| 09:51:20 | GodEater | LinusN: I just updated it to use my Wikiname - hope you don't mind. |
| 09:51:38 | mitch04 | all he needs to do is try and get past the checksum |
| 09:51:41 | decayedcell | Slasheri ah okay |
| 09:51:47 | mitch04 | and then it becomes esier |
| 09:52:00 | mitch04 | to put for example rockbox |
| 09:52:10 | mitch04 | this is for creative zen vision m |
| 09:52:12 | Llorean | mitch04: Oh, you're not talking about the Rockbox bootloader Checksum check. |
| 09:52:24 | mitch04 | no sorry |
| 09:52:25 | Llorean | You kinda need to be specific if you're not talking about a feature of Rockbox in any way. |
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| 09:52:36 | mitch04 | kk |
| 09:52:50 | mitch04 | so would u know anything? |
| 09:53:19 | Llorean | Nope. |
| 09:53:25 | mitch04 | he has made it all it just comes up failed |
| 09:53:33 | markun | me neither, what is VERNEL32 anyway |
| 09:53:35 | mitch04 | k thanks tell me if anyone knows anything please |
| 09:53:41 | mitch04 | cya |
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| 09:54:01 | markun | is this still about the PNG extraction? |
| 09:54:16 | Llorean | markun: I think maybe "Kernel32" with a bad typo? |
| 09:54:30 | markun | Last time the port was almost done, this time someone 'rewrote the firmware' ... |
| 09:54:34 | dan_a | rp-: Not yet - I'm going to try reverting r12000 tonight and see if that helps. Disabling writing didn't help, nor did adding extra delays in the LCD. It looks like a loop is hanging in the main thread |
| 09:54:34 | Llorean | markun: It's apparently about getting unsigned code onto a Creative Vision M |
| 09:55:10 | * | petur reads something about vernel32 being a hacked kernel32 |
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| 09:56:43 | Llorean | I had a hard time determining what was a typo, and what was intentional. |
| 09:57:07 | Llorean | Like "gie". Is that an abbreviation for something, or just some strange variant of "guy" I've not seen before, etc. |
| 09:57:29 | * | pondlife despairs about the state of http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5755 |
| 09:57:50 | Llorean | pondlife: It hasn't gone crazy like 6095 _yet_ |
| 09:57:56 | pondlife | Almost though |
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| 09:58:57 | * | Llorean is tempted to create a "Llorean" tracker account, just so people will listen to him a bit more. |
| 09:59:04 | pondlife | Are those IRAM mods needed just to get the COP working? |
| 09:59:24 | pondlife | I suspect not, at least not on devices with no COP. |
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| 09:59:53 | Llorean | pondlife: Why would you need mods to get the COP working on devices with no COP? |
| 09:59:59 | decayedcell | pondlife yeah sorry about that... |
| 10:00 |
| 10:00:27 | pondlife | I just like to see a patch that only does one thing at a time. Call me old-fashioned... ;) |
| 10:00:45 | pondlife | Makes diagnosis easier if something gets broken too. |
| 10:01:30 | petur | aye |
| 10:01:42 | pondlife | Llorean: Yes, you should set up an account under that name. Is it welsh? |
| 10:01:43 | decayedcell | so basically, the cop patch allows the PortalPlayer targets to run at a lower speed, thus saving power? But does this still trigger the boost/unboost bug |
| 10:02:06 | pondlife | The two are independent problems. |
| 10:02:18 | pondlife | That's what's concerning me. |
| 10:02:38 | Llorean | pondlife: Actually, it's just a name I made up at one point. |
| 10:02:41 | pondlife | A mod to one may well make the problem go away (or become much less frequent) but that doesn't help solve it. |
| 10:02:59 | pondlife | (the "other" problem, I mean) |
| 10:03:04 | bluebrother | Llorean: amiconn is right about the nopt thing. It came into my mind shortly after I left the computer ... |
| 10:03:12 | markun | petur: http://www.epizenter.net/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?69697.150 |
| 10:03:50 | bluebrother | but there might be a better solution: redefine opt and nopt to show the arguments, so you'll also see which build includes the text |
| 10:03:58 | Llorean | pondlife: I believe the fixes to *how* boosting happens are relevant to the Kernel_On_Cop patch since the current theory is that maybe the state of the coprocessor matters. It seems the KoC patch plus an earlier boosting fix actually seem to solve the problem, though full testing would be nice. |
| 10:04:08 | Llorean | bluebrother: Thanks |
| 10:04:26 | Llorean | pondlife: Well, I've created a Llorean account on flyspray just so the name's reserved now. |
| 10:04:39 | pondlife | Llorean: True, but we are guessing, are we not? |
| 10:04:44 | Llorean | pondlife: Indeed we are |
| 10:04:57 | Llorean | Fortunately, the kernel_on_cop doesn't decrease the amount of boosting significantly yet, oddly enough. |
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| 10:06:13 | decayedcell | Llorean which boost fix is this? |
| 10:08:36 | Llorean | decayedcell: Well, someone has said the one that changes the multiplier doesn't freeze with the newest kernel on cop, but it's not fully tested by any means. |
| 10:08:50 | pondlife | LinusN: Don't suppose you have gained any info on the PCF50606 GPO stuff in the past 24 hours? |
| 10:09:39 | Llorean | pondlife: We really *really* should be testing with working coprocessor support though, just because that's how it's meant to be using, and proper implementation of the coprocessor may already be the cause of the problem. And even if it's not, that's the final conditions under which a fix will have to work. |
| 10:09:40 | LinusN | pondlife: nope, was busy with Real Life(tm) |
| 10:10:26 | pondlife | No problem, just wondered. I might commit that USB charging anyway - got itchy commit fingers! |
| 10:12:32 | LinusN | pondlife: go ahead, provided that there is an option to turn it off |
| 10:12:41 | pondlife | Of course |
| 10:13:00 | pondlife | Assuming that it IS GPOOD2 that controls it. |
| 10:15:18 | LinusN | yup |
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| 10:16:46 | hachi | if you are so adept at working with small hardware systems like this in your spare time... what's your day job? (anyone) |
| 10:17:00 | GodEater | LinusN: btw - did you catch up on the logs from yesterday re: your fat patch and dircache not playing nicely together ? |
| 10:17:38 | LinusN | yes |
| 10:17:47 | LinusN | frustrating, to say the least |
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| 10:17:53 | GodEater | indeed :( |
| 10:18:17 | GodEater | though I think perhaps getting another tester to check it out would be useful |
| 10:18:27 | hachi | *poink* |
| 10:18:42 | safetydan | hachi, my day job is Java web development. About as far from Rockbox style stuff as you can get. |
| 10:18:57 | hachi | safetydan: nah, I bet porn star is further :) |
| 10:19:01 | * | decayedcell did someone say test xD |
| 10:19:12 | safetydan | well, as far as you can get and still be in the IT industry :) |
| 10:19:20 | scorche | safetydan: you poor poor soul... |
| 10:19:48 | safetydan | scorche, ? Java's great in the enterprise, so long as you stay far, far away from J2EE. |
| 10:19:55 | hachi | I'm a perl hacker... and I keep meaning to get into embedded hardware like this for fun, but there seems to be a pretty steep learning curve |
| 10:20:14 | safetydan | hachi, hardware programming yes. But most of Rockbox isn't at that level. |
| 10:20:17 | * | LinusN is an embedded software engineer |
| 10:20:27 | * | GodEater works in investment banking |
| 10:20:42 | * | JdGordo1 is a uni bum :D |
| 10:20:47 | decayedcell | me is a kid at high school |
| 10:20:54 | safetydan | LinusN, do you actually have an engineering degree? |
| 10:20:54 | decayedcell | oops /me |
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| 10:20:59 | hachi | decayedcell: your / key is missing :) |
| 10:21:03 | * | safetydan hasn't met too many other B. Eng (Software) |
| 10:21:18 | LinusN | safetydan: no - i am self-taught |
| 10:21:30 | * | bluebrother is working on his diploma thesis in electronic science and wants to work as embedded engineer when finished |
| 10:21:44 | * | GodEater has a BSc Comp Sci (Soft Eng) but doesn't really use it much anymore |
| 10:21:46 | JdGordo1 | safetydan: that will be me end of next year |
| 10:22:01 | safetydan | JdGordo1, oo, complete with IEAust membership? :) |
| 10:22:15 | JdGordo1 | dunno |
| 10:22:19 | safetydan | (not that it does much good) |
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| 10:24:08 | decayedcell | pondlife what does your USB charging commit do |
| 10:24:14 | hachi | I am... attacking the site as fast as I can to see how to compile rockbox :) |
| 10:24:46 | * | Jakeworld is slowly learning vmware... |
| 10:24:56 | scorche | hachi: SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 10:25:08 | decayedcell | hachi I believe there is a SimpleCompile guide somewhere |
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| 10:25:17 | * | scorche coughs |
| 10:25:29 | decayedcell | er yeah what he said... in my opinion I feel that the TWiki is a bit hard to navigate |
| 10:25:35 | Jakeworld | when i try to patch something, at times i get an endless loop asking me to skip the file... is there any way to stop this other than exiting the window? |
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| 10:25:56 | LinusN | Jakeworld: ctrl-c? |
| 10:26:06 | Jakeworld | i'll have to try it |
| 10:26:06 | bluebrother | endless loop? patch asks if there are errors ... |
| 10:26:19 | hachi | ugh, cygwin... I'll do this on my mac then |
| 10:26:30 | scorche | hachi: you dont have to use cygwin... |
| 10:26:43 | decayedcell | scorche: didn't see you say simpleguide, I have to scroll everytime someone says something on this web IRC client :p |
| 10:26:47 | scorche | VMware or Colinux works just as well |
| 10:27:08 | hachi | oh good, I have colinux, many of them |
| 10:27:10 | decayedcell | there was quite a discussion on it yesterday lol |
| 10:27:16 | Jakeworld | awesome, thanks LinusN |
| 10:27:24 | scorche | hachi: search for the colinux wiki page then |
| 10:27:25 | LinusN | decayedcell: no need to navigate: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex |
| 10:27:43 | hachi | man, you guys have everything |
| 10:27:53 | LinusN | decayedcell: i.e click on the "index" link in the menu to the left |
| 10:27:56 | bluebrother | or just type the page name in the box at the top |
| 10:28:25 | LinusN | hachi: no, i don't have everything. for example, i have no time :-) |
| 10:29:16 | * | bluebrother wants a "donate time" button for his non-existing webpage |
| 10:29:38 | hachi | LinusN: my job... I am the lead engineer's minion at my work |
| 10:29:41 | hachi | I love my job |
| 10:29:55 | hachi | means I get to work on all the stuff he doesn't have time to do |
| 10:30:19 | LinusN | hachi: like fetch coffee, spend time with his wife etc :-) |
| 10:30:59 | hachi | no, like... work on livejournal, perlbal, djabberd, mogilefs, and whatever else we're doing |
| 10:31:37 | bluebrother | hey, we don't have a jabber server! ;) |
| 10:32:05 | GodEater | hahaha - spend time with his wife - love it! |
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| 10:32:09 | hachi | you want one? we have one |
| 10:32:21 | bluebrother | GodEater: that would depend heavily on the wife |
| 10:32:29 | hachi | http://www.danga.com/djabberd/ |
| 10:32:31 | LinusN | btu we did have a CS server for quite some time :-) |
| 10:32:44 | GodEater | I meant I loved the concept - not that I would actually love to do it ;) |
| 10:32:52 | bluebrother | crazy |
| 10:33:26 | bluebrother | I'm fine with public jabber servers for now |
| 10:33:30 | decayedcell | loll a CS server...? |
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| 10:34:00 | bluebrother | how about UT99? |
| 10:34:53 | Jakeworld | where exactly does an exported build get sent? |
| 10:35:18 | Jakeworld | nm |
| 10:35:21 | Jakeworld | found it |
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| 10:38:27 | decayedcell | wow thats the first time I've seen a mass disconnect of 11 people from an IRC channel... |
| 10:38:37 | hachi | called a split |
| 10:38:41 | GodEater | netsplit |
| 10:38:45 | scorche | netsplit actuallyt |
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| 10:38:53 | amiconn | The usual freenode netsplits... |
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| 10:38:54 | NHeal | kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 10:38:54 | NJoin | Caliban_ [0] (n=ianmacd@kwark.caliban.org) |
| 10:38:54 | bluebrother | irssi even announces it as Netsplit |
| 10:38:55 | rp- | never been on quakenet? :) |
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| 10:39:49 | GodEater | read up on how irc works |
| 10:39:58 | scorche | decayedcell: for more understanding, see wikipedia |
| 10:40:03 | hachi | I can chock my calling it a 'split' up to the fact that I'm an operator on a couple networks and so implicitly it's a net thing, no matter what) |
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| 10:40:24 | * | scorche declines hachi's cop out |
| 10:40:34 | hachi | :P |
| 10:41:44 | Jakeworld | :( first try on a compile failed |
| 10:41:53 | Jakeworld | freezing issues |
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| 10:52:20 | pondlife | decayedcell: Sorry, been on the phone. The USB charging patch gives an option to enable USB charging on the Iriver H300. I didn't write it, but I like it. |
| 10:52:49 | pondlife | decayedcell: It's here -> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4770#comment12612 |
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| 11:00:14 | Jakeworld | hmm... everytime I compile a build... it freezes on the iPod |
| 11:00:15 | {Abcminiuser} | Hmm, just tried out the kernel_on_cop_8.patch flyspray patch on my B&W 4G |
| 11:00:42 | {Abcminiuser} | Seems to work, but the debug menu shows only the codec stack running on the second CPU - should this be the case? |
| 11:00:54 | {Abcminiuser} | I was under the impression that the main stack should also shift to the second one |
| 11:01:11 | Jakeworld | I can't even get it to work |
| 11:01:20 | Jakeworld | i can't compile correctly without a freeze |
| 11:01:37 | {Abcminiuser} | Works fine for me, although my SVN is about 3 days old |
| 11:01:40 | decayedcell | Jakeworld: have you updated the bootloader as well as rockbox |
| 11:01:45 | {Abcminiuser} | I've patched it up the wazoo :D |
| 11:01:51 | Jakeworld | yes |
| 11:01:55 | Jakeworld | but i can try again |
| 11:02:06 | {Abcminiuser} | Any ideas as to why the main thead isn't on the COP? |
| 11:03:20 | Jakeworld | what patches are you using? |
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| 11:04:33 | Jakeworld | the only one I've been able to patch is the cop, but I'm still working on actually getting it to load consistently.. |
| 11:05:08 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:05:16 | {Abcminiuser} | chopper.patch, NoCPUscale.patch, ipod_piezo.patch (the hard-coded one I've modified, not the broken threaded one), kernel_on_cop_8.patch, mod.patch, shutdown.patch, spc22.patch, starfield_pulse.patch |
| 11:05:26 | {Abcminiuser} | Oh, and the new fixed-point NSF patch |
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| 11:05:46 | Jakeworld | that's quite a number |
| 11:05:55 | {Abcminiuser} | Yes, yes it is :D |
| 11:06:05 | Mikachu | that last one is already in svn |
| 11:06:06 | n1s | my monies are on the NOcpuscale thing .... |
| 11:06:16 | {Abcminiuser} | I'm working on making the ultimate build, since the SVN i'm using is now stable |
| 11:06:34 | {Abcminiuser} | The NoCPUScaling is one I made, just turns of the CPU scaling define in config-ipod4g |
| 11:06:41 | Jakeworld | that's good, sometimes the SVN is a bit hit and miss sometimes with me |
| 11:06:59 | n1s | what exactly is an "ultimate" build? Just include as many patches as possible? |
| 11:07:27 | {Abcminiuser} | As many of the decent ones :) |
| 11:07:33 | {Abcminiuser} | I've been through the list and added the ones I like |
| 11:07:46 | * | n1s shrugs |
| 11:08:03 | {Abcminiuser} | More codecs = good (and I quite like NSF, MOD and SSM) as well as the COP patch for speed |
| 11:08:05 | GodEater | that is, after all, the beauty of open source |
| 11:08:21 | {Abcminiuser} | Others are just eye-candy, games etc |
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| 11:08:33 | GodEater | but I think calling it *the* ultimate build is perhaps misguided. It may seem "ultimate" to you - but not to all ;) |
| 11:08:56 | {Abcminiuser} | Well, I've called it "MyRockBox" as a build |
| 11:09:03 | Mikachu | it won't be ultimate tomorrow |
| 11:09:08 | {Abcminiuser} | So it's Ultimate and definitive relative to me :D |
| 11:09:51 | {Abcminiuser} | Nothing interesting has been committed in the last three days, so it's still good |
| 11:10:01 | LinusN | n1s: there is no tetex-ucs on debian either... |
| 11:10:09 | {Abcminiuser} | And in any case, at least I have a stable, feature-full build I can fall back on |
| 11:10:13 | LinusN | i used latex-ucs and it worked fine |
| 11:10:31 | {Abcminiuser} | In any case, any ideas on whacking the main thread onto the COP? |
| 11:10:40 | LinusN | why would we? |
| 11:11:08 | {Abcminiuser} | Well, I assumed someone here would be familiar with the patch's workings... |
| 11:11:32 | LinusN | i mean, what would be the gain of having the main thread on the cop? |
| 11:11:38 | decayedcell | spc is up to revision 24 :p |
| 11:12:00 | n1s | LinusN: fixed |
| 11:12:11 | Jakeworld | hm... i still seem to be having freezing problems |
| 11:12:34 | {Abcminiuser} | Is the main thread responsible for the UI? |
| 11:12:37 | LinusN | yes |
| 11:12:46 | {Abcminiuser} | Bugger that then, it can stay where it is |
| 11:13:02 | {Abcminiuser} | Better to keep the codec thread on the COP alone to give it the full processing power |
| 11:13:13 | GodEater | that's the theory anyway |
| 11:13:22 | Jakeworld | I suppose the scaling is messing with me |
| 11:13:28 | {Abcminiuser} | Theory? How so? |
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| 11:24:27 | LinusN | wow, skyeye has added coldfire simulation in svn :-) |
| 11:25:24 | n1s | how long is the time-before-bug-gets-closed-'cause-the-poster-doesn't-reply ? 2 moths? |
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| 11:25:47 | Mikachu | right now it appears to be \infty |
| 11:25:54 | LinusN | n1s: it depends on how badly we want it to be closed :-) |
| 11:26:01 | n1s | :-) |
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| 11:28:28 | BigBambi | Any ideas on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5937 - was there a change in drawing code that did this? - anything that should be shown when the bitmap isn't (in a subline) - is hidden |
| 11:28:30 | * | jhMikeS wants B#6109 closed for good but may need to see a psychiatrist first :P |
| 11:29:24 | BigBambi | Also, the main iAmp wps on H1x0 needs 2 spaces removed before %pv - at the moment volume is hidden below the play or pause pic |
| 11:29:36 | BigBambi | main as in main unit not rwps! |
| 11:30:19 | pondlife | Is there much similarity between the X5 and the H300 internals (beyond Coldfire)? |
| 11:30:35 | pondlife | The USB support in particular? |
| 11:31:14 | LinusN | pondlife: same usb chip |
| 11:31:20 | pondlife | Aha. |
| 11:31:27 | LinusN | pcf50606 in both |
| 11:31:34 | LinusN | they are very similar |
| 11:31:48 | LinusN | however, the battery charging is totally different |
| 11:32:09 | pondlife | There is now a report of some X5s which work with old USB code and some with updated USB code. Sounds a little like the H300 USB bootloader! |
| 11:32:31 | pondlife | Probably not related, but it got my interest. |
| 11:32:39 | pondlife | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/target/coldfire/iaudio/x5/usb-x5.c?r1=9179&r2=11261&pathrev=11967 |
| 11:32:58 | pondlife | Apparently this mod broke USB for someone |
| 11:33:00 | LinusN | pondlife: i think it has to do with threads not responding to SYS_USB_CONNECTED |
| 11:33:23 | pondlife | Hmm, what threads are running in the bootloader? Not many I assume. |
| 11:33:40 | LinusN | the bootloader has nothing to do with usb on the x5 |
| 11:34:04 | pondlife | Sorry I was assuming you meant the H300. |
| 11:34:25 | * | pondlife crawls back under his rock |
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| 11:35:12 | LinusN | i'll have a look at the x5 issue |
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| 11:38:02 | pondlife | LinusN: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6590 in case you didn't see it. |
| 11:43:33 | LinusN | hmm, looks like it was better to have it self-powered |
| 11:44:00 | LinusN | i really wish i could work with rockbox full-time |
| 11:47:57 | BigBambi | I wish you could too :) |
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| 11:49:56 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 12:07:04 | pondlife | How long should it take for a new build to be triggered? |
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| 12:14:40 | pondlife | Bagder |
| 12:15:14 | B4gder | about 60 seconds |
| 12:15:17 | pondlife | Hmm |
| 12:15:28 | B4gder | ah |
| 12:15:29 | pondlife | Been about 30 mins |
| 12:15:32 | B4gder | yeah |
| 12:15:36 | B4gder | new month today |
| 12:15:36 | pondlife | Show me the Red! |
| 12:15:40 | pondlife | Indeed |
| 12:15:41 | B4gder | been a daily reboot I believe |
| 12:16:01 | B4gder | and I've been sloppy with the startup script |
| 12:16:31 | B4gder | there |
| 12:16:34 | pondlife | Thanks |
| 12:16:58 | pondlife | Lucky really, I got my Oops in without any red. |
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| 12:31:24 | pondlife | Hmm, the build started but hasn't completed. |
| 12:32:19 | pondlife | Sorry B4gder, can you kick it? |
| 12:35:59 | * | pondlife wants to go to lunch, but not without a good build |
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| 12:49:13 | amiconn | Bagder: Daily reboot? |
| 12:50:17 | LinusN | monthly |
| 12:50:59 | JdGordon | why? unles your running windows 98 there is no real need |
| 12:51:23 | LinusN | this server is a playground for many employees at contactor |
| 12:51:38 | LinusN | so we have plenty of runaway scripts eating power |
| 12:51:49 | JdGordon | ah, ok |
| 12:51:51 | LinusN | so we reboot it once in a while |
| 12:52:07 | B4gder | reboots are good to kill off all idle processes |
| 12:52:12 | pondlife | Please can someone stop the stalled build? |
| 12:52:28 | LinusN | it's also a way of spotting bad or missing startup scripts |
| 12:52:29 | pondlife | I'm getting hungry and almost out of biscuits |
| 12:54:01 | GodEater | disaster. no biscuits. |
| 12:54:08 | pondlife | ;) |
| 12:54:23 | pondlife | Worse still, no tea! |
| 12:54:25 | GodEater | I don't have any at all - so none to run out of. :( |
| 12:54:40 | * | pondlife sends his last biscuit to GodEater |
| 12:54:46 | GodEater | tak |
| 12:54:50 | GodEater | or possibly tack |
| 12:54:58 | directhex|work | i'm never almost out of biscuits |
| 12:55:02 | pondlife | Wait! I have one more for whoever can make the build server do a build! |
| 12:55:02 | GodEater | since I'm given to unserstand the former means "roof" or somesuch |
| 12:55:14 | pondlife | In which language? |
| 12:55:18 | directhex|work | i either have an unopened pack or an empty pack. i'm not sure what happens in the middle, but it's over in a flash |
| 12:55:18 | GodEater | swedish |
| 12:55:32 | pondlife | Ah, my swedish is worse than yours then. |
| 12:55:49 | GodEater | that's an impressive feat - I know very little :) |
| 12:55:59 | pondlife | Yup |
| 12:56:04 | GodEater | which is shocking really - I worked ni Stockhom for 18 months or so and picked up a tiny amount |
| 12:56:11 | GodEater | s/ni/in |
| 12:56:23 | pondlife | My only skills seems to be killing off build servers. |
| 12:56:30 | Mikachu | GodEater: roof and ceiling are the same word in swedish |
| 12:56:30 | pondlife | Obviously not grammar! |
| 12:56:53 | GodEater | Mikachu: and is that word "tak" ? |
| 12:56:58 | Mikachu | yes :) |
| 12:57:11 | GodEater | heh - I remembered something then |
| 12:57:30 | pondlife | I learnt something, don't know if I'll remember it for 18 months |
| 12:57:39 | GodEater | that's a less embarassing mistake to make than the one I did with the gingerbread house one I did a couple of years ago |
| 12:58:00 | * | pondlife is not sure he wants to hear the full embarrassment |
| 12:58:11 | GodEater | the words for "cake" and "cock" are pretty close in swedish if you get them wrong.... |
| 12:58:24 | pondlife | Birthday cake anyone? |
| 12:58:36 | pondlife | What about fairy cakes? |
| 12:58:43 | scorche | GodEater: and then there is slut and bra... |
| 12:58:56 | jhMikeS | these conversations sometimes :) |
| 12:59:26 | scorche | they are perfectly clean words in swedish! |
| 12:59:56 | pondlife | Nowt wrong with them in English |
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| 13:00:09 | GodEater | bra = good as I recall |
| 13:00:14 | scorche | yeah |
| 13:00:15 | GodEater | not sure I learnt "slut" |
| 13:00:17 | jhMikeS | no bra is better |
| 13:00:27 | scorche | it depends how it is used... |
| 13:00:30 | LinusN | slut == end,finished |
| 13:00:41 | GodEater | I also learnt that ordering a greek salad in swedish can be fraught with danger as well |
| 13:00:50 | pondlife | So the build has just slut. |
| 13:00:55 | pondlife | Thanks, whoever! |
| 13:00:56 | LinusN | GodEater: du har slut på kakor |
| 13:00:58 | * | scorche would like to go and work somewhere in sweden... |
| 13:01:16 | GodEater | scorche - I recommend it - it was great fun |
| 13:01:17 | pondlife | What's kakor? |
| 13:01:23 | LinusN | biscuits |
| 13:01:26 | pondlife | Aha |
| 13:01:31 | LinusN | or rather, cookies |
| 13:01:37 | jhMikeS | you have finished the cookies? |
| 13:01:39 | scorche | GodEater: but it costs money...and who would ever hire me? |
| 13:01:45 | pondlife | your cookies |
| 13:01:48 | GodEater | depends what you do :) |
| 13:01:54 | jhMikeS | ah |
| 13:01:58 | Mikachu | LinusN: there is a machine on the road near here that dispenses maps, it has a button and a light, both labeled in swedish and english, from top to bottom it reads "tryck push slut empty" :) |
| 13:01:59 | scorche | nothing terribly unique |
| 13:02:02 | GodEater | Stockholm is my favuorite city in Europe - I love going there |
| 13:02:27 | pondlife | Maybe Devcon2007? |
| 13:02:42 | GodEater | I'd go - but I'm not sure how much use I'd be |
| 13:02:43 | * | JdGordon would love to be in stockholm in 14 days |
| 13:02:43 | scorche | GodEater: and i would have to have someone hire me first so i could get a visa |
| 13:02:44 | LinusN | devcon 2007 is coming closer |
| 13:02:55 | LinusN | 14-day devcon... |
| 13:02:59 | LinusN | :-) |
| 13:03:00 | GodEater | I like partying in Stockholm :) |
| 13:03:01 | scorche | oh wow... |
| 13:03:03 | bluebrother | has devcon already a date? |
| 13:03:07 | JdGordon | dark tranquillity concert then :'( you lucky basterds |
| 13:03:20 | GodEater | Cafe Opera, Blue Moon Bar, Akurrat.... |
| 13:03:29 | LinusN | we are discussing the dates, perhaps april or may |
| 13:03:41 | * | GodEater has his name on a brass plaque on the bar in the Sergel Plaza hotel |
| 13:03:54 | GodEater | for anyone interested ;) |
| 13:03:57 | pondlife | Did you make the bar? |
| 13:03:59 | pondlife | :) |
| 13:04:01 | GodEater | nope |
| 13:04:03 | * | LinusN takes notes |
| 13:04:06 | GodEater | I just propped it up a lot |
| 13:04:09 | GodEater | :) |
| 13:04:10 | Mikachu | did you make the plaque? |
| 13:04:14 | GodEater | nope |
| 13:04:15 | pondlife | lol |
| 13:04:21 | GodEater | one of the hotel staff had it made |
| 13:04:29 | pondlife | To A Good Customer |
| 13:04:35 | GodEater | kind of :) |
| 13:04:51 | LinusN | best hotel room trashing of the year |
| 13:04:55 | GodEater | "To someone who appears to be a terminal alcoholic" more like |
| 13:05:07 | bluebrother | I'd love to visit sweden but no time until at least may :( |
| 13:05:09 | GodEater | along with six of my then colleagues |
| 13:05:10 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:05:24 | bluebrother | bloody uni |
| 13:05:30 | Mikachu | why would anyone want to visit sweden? most boring country in the world if you ask me :P |
| 13:05:32 | GodEater | the plaque went on in about 1998 I think, and was still there in 2004 when I checked |
| 13:05:35 | bluebrother | it's too greedy about my time |
| 13:05:44 | GodEater | Mikachu: its's full of hot girls ? |
| 13:05:49 | * | LinusN is trying to figure out how to get to Graz without spending a fortune |
| 13:05:50 | JdGordon | Mikachu: all the melodic death metal bands come from there.. |
| 13:05:57 | pondlife | Hmm, if you want to trash a hotel room, put coca cola in the kettle and leave it boiling with the switch taped down. |
| 13:06:13 | bluebrother | Mikachu: I've never been there |
| 13:06:31 | * | GodEater very much appreciates the swedish ladies |
| 13:06:49 | preglow | LinusN: by using rockbox donation money :> |
| 13:06:50 | LinusN | melodic death metal - what an oxymoron |
| 13:07:10 | pondlife | I hope for a melodic death. |
| 13:07:26 | JdGordon | maybe so.. but its awesome :D |
| 13:07:42 | LinusN | preglow: would be a shame to spend all that money on a trip |
| 13:07:54 | preglow | LinusN: shame, but fun |
| 13:08:00 | preglow | firstclass here and back :) |
| 13:08:05 | LinusN | hehe |
| 13:08:14 | Mikachu | how much is "all that money"? |
| 13:08:15 | GodEater | waste of time intra-europe in my experience |
| 13:08:22 | pondlife | Aha, just spotted an old "daily build" menu on http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-20070201T115741Z.html |
| 13:08:24 | JdGordon | cant you just drive? europe is tiny |
| 13:08:32 | preglow | it still takes a while |
| 13:08:41 | Mikachu | gas is expensive |
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| 13:09:06 | * | Genre9mp3 spots some NWOSDM talk :) |
| 13:09:10 | GodEater | and there's water in the way |
| 13:09:22 | GodEater | NWOSDM ? |
| 13:09:25 | bluebrother | travelling long distances is much more a problem in europe than in australia |
| 13:09:39 | Genre9mp3 | New Wave Of Swedish Death Metal aka. melodic death metal |
| 13:09:41 | JdGordon | 1200km to vienna... although thats by actual lat/long co-ords... its only a day and a half drive... thats nothing |
| 13:09:43 | GodEater | ah |
| 13:09:58 | LinusN | JdGordon: time is money |
| 13:10:12 | GodEater | bloody students! |
| 13:10:20 | directhex|work | GodEater, they're filthy |
| 13:10:22 | JdGordon | take your laptop... then you can work while your driving :D |
| 13:10:27 | GodEater | hehe |
| 13:10:27 | LinusN | lol |
| 13:10:44 | bluebrother | when I was for a visit to australia travelling was _much_ cheaper when calculating money / distance |
| 13:10:53 | GodEater | "...a large crash on a German autobahn today was caused by a driver attempting to debug a core dump...." |
| 13:10:59 | B4gder | yeah, gprs-connected for 48 hours through europe is... not expensive |
| 13:11:00 | JdGordon | haha |
| 13:11:02 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I swear some drivers do here. |
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| 13:11:25 | bluebrother | make Rockbox dumping cores! |
| 13:11:34 | Mikachu | isn't gprs per MB usually? |
| 13:11:45 | B4gder | I bet, but with gsm and roaming deals... |
| 13:11:54 | bluebrother | at least here it is. |
| 13:12:02 | directhex|work | Mikachu, yeah. so demand everyone you know shortens their irc nick to save money! |
| 13:12:15 | Mikachu | haha |
| 13:12:19 | B4gder | :-) |
| 13:12:24 | directhex|work | it adds up! |
| 13:12:29 | GodEater | & rvrt 2 txt spch |
| 13:12:30 | Mikachu | lets start with you |
| 13:12:38 | directhex|work | oh, and use lowercase. uppercase letters are heavier, so obviously cost more to send |
| 13:12:46 | GodEater | hahaha |
| 13:13:04 | JdGordon | andspacesarejustawastesodontbotherwiththem |
| 13:13:11 | JdGordon | damn that was hard to type :p |
| 13:13:23 | bluebrother | hard to type? why? |
| 13:13:25 | directhex|work | ndvwls2 |
| 13:13:28 | Mikachu | JdGordon: put your thumb below the space bar :) |
| 13:13:31 | jhMikeS | readsfinetomeactually |
| 13:13:34 | directhex|work | damn, the future is beautiful |
| 13:13:48 | bluebrother | automatedspaceinsertationmacro? |
| 13:14:00 | GodEater | swedes don't bother with spaces a lot |
| 13:14:15 | pondlife | We could rename some of the files too, p.c rather than the wasteful playback.c... |
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| 13:14:17 | JdGordon | oh, my brother rekons australia is the only country with drive-through bottle shops... please tell me he is wrong? |
| 13:14:17 | bluebrother | weshouldforbidspacesinthischannel*g* |
| 13:14:24 | GodEater | I used to work for (and excuse lack of proper swedish vowels here) : Varderpapperadministration |
| 13:14:35 | GodEater | which appears to be at least three words rolled into one |
| 13:14:42 | Mikachu | JdGordon: what's a drive-through bottle shop? |
| 13:14:48 | JdGordon | serious? |
| 13:15:03 | GodEater | off licence ? |
| 13:15:07 | Mikachu | GodEater: compound words don't use spaces in swedish |
| 13:15:19 | GodEater | very economical of you Mikachu :) |
| 13:15:34 | Mikachu | it's very hard to read them when written with spaces, the meaning can change very much |
| 13:15:43 | preglow | deed |
| 13:15:44 | Mikachu | unfortunately people seem to be doing that a lot lately |
| 13:15:47 | GodEater | interesting |
| 13:15:48 | preglow | go lack of spaces! |
| 13:15:57 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: bottle shop = liquor store? |
| 13:16:01 | preglow | most norwegians do seem to think the spaces belong, though... |
| 13:16:03 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 13:16:29 | Mikachu | for example, long-haired nurse is "långhårig sjuksköterska", if you write "lång hårig sjuk sköterska", it means tall hairy sick nurse :) |
| 13:16:31 | pondlife | Hmm, what happened to the H100 build? |
| 13:16:35 | Mikachu | (oldest example in the book) |
| 13:16:36 | pondlife | It works here. |
| 13:16:43 | GodEater | hahaha |
| 13:16:48 | amiconn | Mikachu: Hah, same problem in German |
| 13:17:12 | Mikachu | i can imagine |
| 13:17:42 | amiconn | Many people put spaces where they don't belong. A related problem is the improper use of apostrophes |
| 13:17:49 | pondlife | badger man |
| 13:17:53 | JdGordon | Mikachu: dunno where the sick comes in.. but that sounds like a problem with the ambiguity of the languae, english has the same problem |
| 13:17:54 | pondlife | I mean bad german |
| 13:18:17 | * | bluebrother remembers www.deppenleerzeichen.de |
| 13:18:30 | bluebrother | (german page dealing with additional wrong spaces) |
| 13:18:34 | Mikachu | JdGordon: nurse means two different things, swedish has separate words for them |
| 13:18:35 | jhMikeS | 'tisn't apostrophe's |
| 13:19:02 | Mikachu | i guess they're almost synonyms though |
| 13:19:32 | Mikachu | bluebrother: there was a similar one in sweden, skrivihop.nu |
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| 13:20:51 | pondlife | Anyone else want to commit something to get the H100 build fixed? I'm off to lunch. |
| 13:21:00 | * | pondlife goes to get biscuits |
| 13:21:07 | Mikachu | JdGordon: the problem is that it isn't ambiguous, and people write it incorrectly |
| 13:21:19 | JdGordon | ok then |
| 13:21:38 | * | JdGordon gives up trying to remmeber the really ambiguous english sentence which cracks him up every time |
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| 13:22:29 | GodEater | well there's the "Eats shoots and leaves" one from the book of the same name ? |
| 13:22:54 | jhMikeS | How come Abcminiuser has my "- because it's Xtra, baby" thing? I added that TMBG reference to my VisualIRC quit message way long ago. |
| 13:23:20 | GodEater | it's the default in VisualIRC |
| 13:23:26 | JdGordon | GodEater: no its being ths same as a koala... eats roots and leafes |
| 13:23:30 | jhMikeS | not the "- because it's Xtra, baby" |
| 13:23:31 | JdGordon | doesnt quite work typed tho :p |
| 13:23:46 | GodEater | it is in mine jhMikes |
| 13:23:57 | GodEater | I've not changed it from the default, and I get that in my quit message |
| 13:24:11 | jhMikeS | I added it manually cause it only said "User pushed the X" of course that came to mind. |
| 13:24:31 | GodEater | I promise you it's the default in VisualIRC 2.0 |
| 13:25:48 | pondlife | Hah, I wondered it that was a SEXXY reference |
| 13:25:54 | pondlife | s/it/if |
| 13:25:55 | jhMikeS | I must be insane and thought it must have been me that put it there then. |
| 13:26:16 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Did you forget writing VisualIRC 2.0? |
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| 13:26:44 | Mikachu | jhMikeS: if "of course it came to mind" maybe they added it independantly |
| 13:26:49 | jhMikeS | pondlife: entirely possible :P The message didn't seem to be there in July when I installed it. |
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| 13:29:29 | jhMikeS | hrm...ok I'm cracking up...too much stress...I have to check the installer image I used if I still have it. |
| 13:33:07 | jhMikeS | ok you're all right...so embarrassed...and concerned :P |
| 13:36:12 | preglow | hahah |
| 13:36:27 | preglow | just don't purge our svn tree |
| 13:36:53 | jhMikeS | What I did was change "Client Exited" to "Y? Because it's extra."...hehe...ok...now you all know how close to the nut house I am. |
| 13:37:23 | jhMikeS | preglow: svn? |
| 13:38:16 | jhMikeS | ok...I'm not _that_ out of it :) |
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| 13:40:09 | Abcminiuser | Well bugger :P |
| 13:40:28 | Abcminiuser | Apparently the bootloader was upgraded for the COP iPod patch |
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| 13:44:37 | preglow | jhMikeS: who knows, you might claim it attacked you! |
| 13:44:45 | JdGordon | would it be ok if i move the apps/*_menu.c files to apps/menus/ and then edit them in place? |
| 13:45:13 | * | jhMikeS is trying to fix a bug that noone can reproduce at will and seems to have no apparent concrete reason |
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| 13:46:36 | Abcminiuser | How do you use the latest ipodpatcher to patch a rockbox boot.bin file with the extracted firmware .bin? |
| 13:47:20 | JdGordon | do you still have the unpatched booloader.bin? |
| 13:47:39 | Abcminiuser | Yep |
| 13:47:44 | Abcminiuser | And the latest ipodpatcher |
| 13:47:50 | petur | jhMikeS: recording glitches? |
| 13:47:51 | Abcminiuser | The directions used to be in the manual |
| 13:47:53 | JdGordon | i guess you write it back, then patch it with the new one |
| 13:48:01 | * | JdGordon could be wrong tho |
| 13:48:01 | jhMikeS | petur: indeed |
| 13:48:02 | Abcminiuser | Now it just references a pre-made .ipod bootloader |
| 13:50:26 | JdGordon | is there any objection to adding an option to write a "theme cfg" file from the current setting, which just saves settings needed for themes? |
| 13:51:14 | petur | what about an option that writes a cfg that only contains changed values (<-> defaults) |
| 13:51:19 | linuxstb | Abcminiuser: ipodpatcher modifies the firmware directly on the ipod. You should be able to upgrade the bootloader with "ipodpatcher [device] -a bootloader.ipod" |
| 13:51:47 | JdGordon | petur: hrmm? |
| 13:52:17 | pondlife | JdGordon: First up, is there a definition of "theme"? i.e. is it all display parameters or just some of them? |
| 13:52:50 | JdGordon | any setting with the F_THEME flag... we can choose which |
| 13:52:56 | petur | JdGordon: or maybe only store non-default values in the cfg? or maybe you do that already? |
| 13:52:58 | JdGordon | but font, wps, colours, etc |
| 13:53:15 | Abcminiuser | linux, yes, but I downloaded a .bin bootloader from the COP patch entry |
| 13:53:22 | Abcminiuser | It only has a .bin, not a .ipod |
| 13:53:26 | JdGordon | petur: checking each value against the default would slow saves down a bt wouldnt they? |
| 13:53:31 | linuxstb | People shouldn't be posting .bin files... |
| 13:53:49 | petur | JdGordon: chacking should be faster than the writing to disk |
| 13:53:55 | petur | checking even |
| 13:54:02 | JdGordon | thats true |
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| 13:54:10 | Abcminiuser | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5755 |
| 13:54:15 | linuxstb | You can convert it using the scramble tool in the Rockbox source, or ask the person who uploaded it to make a .ipod version available. But binaries shouldn't really be in the patch tracker at all. |
| 13:54:39 | Abcminiuser | In the talk section, someone posted the bootloader in .bin form for convenience a while ago |
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| 13:55:09 | Abcminiuser | I believe the fact that I haven't upgraded my bootloader is the cause for the lack of a second main thread on my iPod's COP |
| 13:55:25 | Abcminiuser | Interestingly however, I am seeing some benefits with only the codec thread on the COP |
| 13:55:30 | linuxstb | That's a very old bootloader. When did you install Rockbox? |
| 13:55:49 | linuxstb | If you install the current official bootloader, that should work fine with the COP patch. |
| 13:55:52 | Abcminiuser | A long time ago, but I upgraded the bootloader only a little while ago |
| 13:56:03 | Abcminiuser | Perhaps a month ago |
| 13:56:20 | linuxstb | Which ipod do you have? |
| 13:56:38 | Abcminiuser | Yes, I see COP benefits, but the stack debug view shows only one main thread, running on the main core - the patch talk seems to indicate there should be a second on the COP |
| 13:56:44 | Abcminiuser | iPod 4G B&W |
| 13:57:27 | preglow | linuxstb: what's the point in running a whole kernel on the cop? |
| 13:57:29 | linuxstb | If you don't see any threads on the COP, then you need to upgrade your bootloader. |
| 13:57:44 | jhMikeS | petur: do you have the time indexes of those glitches in that recording? I thought I saved them but can't find them and it's hard to find in the file. I'll keep looking though. |
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| 13:58:05 | linuxstb | preglow: dan_a invented it... But it means we can run multiple threads on the cop, and those threads can yield() and sleep() as normal. |
| 13:58:14 | Abcminiuser | I see the codec thread on the COP |
| 13:58:19 | Abcminiuser | Nothing else |
| 13:58:23 | preglow | linuxstb: do we really want that? |
| 13:58:43 | petur | jhMikeS: you mean more exact than those in the bugtracker? |
| 13:59:21 | jhMikeS | petur: I guess I forget they were there. I can find the exact samples in the editor. |
| 13:59:53 | linuxstb | I thought the same as you at the start - i.e. we just want to start and stop a single thread on the cop. But if we do that, we would need a special sleep() function for the COP, and #ifdefs for threads that run on the COP on PP targets, and the main CPU on other targets. |
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| 14:00:26 | preglow | linuxstb: yes, that is a valid point |
| 14:00:28 | linuxstb | It seems simpler and cleaner to just run a kernel. |
| 14:00:55 | preglow | obviously is, but it will kill a bit of performance |
| 14:01:02 | Abcminiuser | Hmmm, and the recording screen freezes when I enter it |
| 14:01:02 | preglow | then again, that might not be a problem |
| 14:01:06 | * | preglow curses pp for going dual core |
| 14:01:07 | Abcminiuser | Not that I use it, but still :P |
| 14:01:16 | jhMikeS | petur: Just those five then? |
| 14:01:57 | petur | yes |
| 14:02:27 | petur | I haven't written the times down of the other glitched one |
| 14:02:44 | petur | and I don't have time to give you more details :/ |
| 14:02:59 | Abcminiuser | Anywho, so how can I start a second kernel on the COP then? |
| 14:03:17 | Abcminiuser | Perhaps the lack of that is causing the recording freezes |
| 14:05:39 | Llorean | Doesn't recording on the PP targets break playback after anyway? |
| 14:05:43 | jhMikeS | petur: Those ones don't seem to match the file I have but some list you gave did. |
| 14:05:55 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes. |
| 14:06:07 | Abcminiuser | Yes, until you restart |
| 14:06:24 | Llorean | So I'd guess the fact that recording freezes with Kernel_On_Cop may as easily be an artifact of the recording patch than the kernel_on_cop patch. |
| 14:06:36 | Llorean | Abcminiuser: You don't have a Main thread on the COP? |
| 14:06:41 | Abcminiuser | Nope |
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| 14:06:53 | Abcminiuser | Debug stacks list shows only one main thread, on core 9 |
| 14:06:57 | Abcminiuser | *core 0 |
| 14:07:02 | linuxstb | Abcminiuser: Have you upgraded your bootloader yet? |
| 14:07:16 | Abcminiuser | No, because I can't - the posted .bin is too old apparently |
| 14:07:28 | petur | jhMikeS: ah you mean that short clip I gave you.... If you listen to is, it will be obvious where it skips... no |
| 14:07:30 | Abcminiuser | And I'm not entirely sure how to compile the new bootloader |
| 14:07:30 | jhMikeS | do threads on different cores run preemtively? |
| 14:07:34 | linuxstb | I've already told you - just use an official bootloader. |
| 14:07:48 | Abcminiuser | So the latest official bootloaders are COP ready? |
| 14:07:53 | jhMikeS | petur: not the short one. the entire concert one...after the BRP |
| 14:08:01 | Abcminiuser | I thought they were incompatible with non-COP patched builds? |
| 14:08:03 | linuxstb | 13.55.49 # <linuxstb> If you install the current official bootloader, that should work fine with the COP patch. |
| 14:08:20 | Abcminiuser | Bugger me, sorry :$ |
| 14:08:23 | * | petur kicks his poor memory |
| 14:08:40 | Llorean | Abcminiuser: Just follow the instructions in the newest version of the manual. You don't use a .bin any more. |
| 14:09:00 | Abcminiuser | Last upgrade I did to the bootloader use a .ipod |
| 14:09:17 | Abcminiuser | Shortly after it was patched so that the hold switch selected the firmware on startup |
| 14:09:27 | Llorean | Abcminiuser: Well, you said the .bin was out of date earlier. |
| 14:10:02 | Abcminiuser | That was the special COP bootloader in the COP patch entry |
| 14:10:20 | petur | jhMikeS: I don't find anything here on my work pc, and I won't be at my home pc for several days... sorry... what date was that recording? I could have a quick listen |
| 14:10:26 | Abcminiuser | How recently was the official bootloader changed to support the COP patch? |
| 14:12:29 | jhMikeS | petur: I guess the clip isn't there anymore but I do have the clip and the mono version of the whole concert. I downloaded it on 4 dec |
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| 14:14:16 | Llorean | Abcminiuser: The version that uses the hold switch to boot Apple *should* work with it, I though. |
| 14:14:17 | Llorean | thought |
| 14:14:21 | petur | jhMikeS: sorry, I had to wipe a lot of personal stuff here to make room... dams work (and real life) interference |
| 14:14:36 | Abcminiuser | Well it seems to work (and is faster) but there's definetly only one main thread |
| 14:14:49 | petur | jhMikeS: what are you hoping to see? |
| 14:15:15 | Llorean | Abcminiuser: And you're just using kernel_on_cop8 and no other patches? |
| 14:15:28 | Abcminiuser | Actually, quite a few others |
| 14:15:35 | linuxstb | Abcminiuser: I'm almost certain the bootloader changes for the hold switch were made after the COP-related patches. I don't think anything else has been changed with the bootloader. |
| 14:15:51 | JdGordon | Llorean: your the support person... do you think it would be bad to only store settings which are different to default in the .cfg files? |
| 14:15:52 | Abcminiuser | I can do a DIFF against the bootloader I'm using, one moment... |
| 14:15:53 | jhMikeS | petur: The timing of everything going on. Interesting that I hear an immediate "clunk-clunk" after the one double glitch I found. |
| 14:16:13 | Llorean | Abcminiuser: Perhaps you should actually try using JUST that patch in case some other patch you're using is breaking it. |
| 14:16:41 | Llorean | JdGordon: When someone chooses to write a .cfg, it *has* to include all settings. |
| 14:17:00 | JdGordon | it does? |
| 14:17:03 | Mikachu | linuxstb: i am certain, i have the blue one and cop works fine |
| 14:17:12 | Llorean | JdGordon: If I like equalizer off, loading my preferred settings (I use EQ on for audiobooks) should turn it off, even though EQ defaults to off. |
| 14:17:28 | Abcminiuser | Ok, bootloaders are identical |
| 14:17:30 | JdGordon | ok, that makes sense |
| 14:17:50 | Abcminiuser | LLorean: That will have to wait until tomorrow, it's late and my build computer is offline for now |
| 14:18:04 | JdGordon | Llorean: but saving o config.cfg should only save the changed to speed it up (hopefully) |
| 14:18:22 | Abcminiuser | But I doubt any of the changes would have effected it - they were very basic ones (like turning off frequency scaling to avoid the freezes) |
| 14:18:27 | Llorean | JdGordon: Yeah, config.cfg can be limited, I think. |
| 14:19:00 | Abcminiuser | Shouldn't I be seeing serious instabilities if the COP kernel really isn't running? |
| 14:19:34 | Llorean | Abcminiuser: And we aren't sure that it isn't, right now. |
| 14:19:57 | Llorean | It's possible that it's just not reporting properly, a lot of strange things are possible when you mix patches. |
| 14:20:49 | petur | jhMikeS: can't help any more and running out of time here now :( |
| 14:21:05 | * | petur curses workload |
| 14:21:33 | jhMikeS | petur: that's ok, I'll keep looking since I've got time right now. |
| 14:21:37 | Abcminiuser | I'm pretty sure it is; I can run the plasma plugin now without the audio knackering up |
| 14:21:48 | petur | jhMikeS: lucky you :/ |
| 14:21:56 | Abcminiuser | Before it would cause the audio to skip every second or so for a second or so |
| 14:22:05 | Abcminiuser | Now I see brief skips every 8 seconds or so |
| 14:23:12 | Abcminiuser | If anyone can compile the COP8 patch for the ipod4g and send me the .ipod, I can check it out now |
| 14:23:22 | Abcminiuser | Otherwise I'll have to wait until tomorrow at the earliest |
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| 14:26:37 | jhMikeS | petur: but I do have to repair a customer's table soon but it's a paint, wait, and paint some more thing. |
| 14:27:16 | petur | I could live with that ;) |
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| 14:27:44 | Abcminiuser | Apparently not. Oh well, I'll give it a go tomorrow then |
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| 14:37:21 | JdGordon | amiconn: you ok with adding code to make config.cfg saving/loading faster at the expense of bin size? (dunno how much this adds... doubt very much) |
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| 14:39:55 | webguest20 | Hello. I'd like to repeat my question from yesterday 17:35:23: What happens to the hidden disc sector after updating to a RB version where settings are stored in cfg files? Can the sector be removed so that there will be no tracks of RB if I delete RB specific files? |
| 14:40:17 | Mikachu | you can overwrite the sector with zeroes or random bytes if you want |
| 14:40:22 | B4gder | webguest20: you can whipe it as you please |
| 14:40:25 | Mikachu | just be sure you write to the right one |
| 14:40:53 | B4gder | in fact, you always could since rockbox detected if it was a good area or not |
| 14:42:14 | webguest20 | B4gder: but how can I do this? RB doesn't write to it anymore, right? So should I use some low level disc utilities? |
| 14:42:30 | linuxstb | I would do something like "dd if=/dev/sda of=backup.bin count=100" to create a backup, then "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda seek=62 count=1" (I _think_ 62 is right) |
| 14:43:05 | webguest20 | linuxstb: and if I have Windows? |
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| 14:43:29 | linuxstb | Use cygwin. Or find the equivalent Windows app to "dd". |
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| 14:44:45 | webguest20 | linuxstb: ok, I'll try. Actually, there is a dd port for windows. Now I just have to find out the device name. |
| 14:44:49 | daurnimator | lunix? |
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| 14:49:58 | linuxstb | webguest20: It would probably be easier to just install cygwin. |
| 14:50:25 | JdGordon | just to get dd working? no way |
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| 14:50:49 | Llorean | Well, there's dd for windows if you google for it. |
| 14:50:56 | webguest20 | linuxstb: ok, I'll try it with cygwin. Another question: does '62' depend on the DAP (I have H1xx)? |
| 14:51:08 | linuxstb | Does the "dd" port for windows fake the /dev/zero device? |
| 14:51:10 | Llorean | But I can't imagine removing that one sector being that significant unless you're planning perjury of some sort. |
| 14:51:12 | JdGordon | http://www.chrysocome.net/dd |
| 14:51:35 | JdGordon | that sector is unused anyway isnt it? why bother erasing it? |
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| 14:52:47 | linuxstb | Yes, seems that dd will work fine. |
| 14:53:03 | amiconn | linuxstb, webguest20: The correct sector is 61 (on most hdd targets) |
| 14:53:14 | webguest20 | JdGordon: in order to have the disc as it would be if RB was from the beginning as it is now |
| 14:53:55 | linuxstb | So it would be skip=61? |
| 14:54:18 | Mikachu | skip or seek? |
| 14:54:22 | linuxstb | seek |
| 14:54:35 | linuxstb | I'll get there in the end... |
| 14:54:35 | JdGordon | oh poo... damn english.lang is out of sync with server :'( |
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| 14:56:53 | JdGordon | pondlife: your commit added a lang in the middle of the file..... isnt that wrong? |
| 14:57:22 | amiconn | yES, VERY BAD... |
| 14:57:36 | amiconn | Oops, sorry for inverted caps |
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| 14:58:19 | JdGordon | should i remove his addition and move it to the bottom? |
| 14:58:23 | JdGordon | or is it all too late? |
| 14:58:32 | webguest20 | Why wasn't that sector used? Is it caused by the FAT rules? |
| 14:58:36 | amiconn | I'd say move it to the end |
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| 14:58:55 | amiconn | webguest20: No, it is caused by the partitioning |
| 14:59:26 | amiconn | In the first track, just sector 0 is used (the mbr), all others are left free |
| 14:59:45 | amiconn | and most disks are partitioned with 63 sectors/track |
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| 15:00:08 | JdGordon | amiconn: does its position in deustch.lang matter? |
| 15:00:18 | webguest20 | amiconn: ah, ok. So, before-the-last sector was used? |
| 15:00:27 | LinusN | webguest20: it's because a partition must start on a track boundary |
| 15:01:30 | LinusN | webguest20: so there are plenty of free sectors before track 1 starts |
| 15:02:33 | webguest20 | ...err... the *last* sector in the track 0 was used, right? |
| 15:02:56 | JdGordon | B4gder: does the position of a lang in the non english .langs matter? |
| 15:03:03 | B4gder | nope |
| 15:03:08 | JdGordon | ok |
| 15:03:28 | JdGordon | pondlife: back from lunch yet? |
| 15:03:59 | GodEater | clearly his biscuit quest is taking longer than anticipated |
| 15:04:12 | GodEater | I've been to the pub and back in the time it's taken him to try and find some |
| 15:04:22 | JdGordon | haha |
| 15:04:32 | amiconn | webguest20: No, the second last sector was used |
| 15:04:37 | GodEater | sank 2 pints, and won three games of pool! |
| 15:04:51 | JdGordon | well done |
| 15:04:58 | GodEater | thank you :) |
| 15:05:12 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 15:05:30 | scorche | wait...were the pints before or after the pool? |
| 15:05:35 | GodEater | during |
| 15:05:41 | GodEater | played five games total |
| 15:05:55 | webguest20 | amiconn: ehmm... yes! skip 61 means 'write to the 62-nd sector'. And there are 63. So the first thought is the right one. |
| 15:06:06 | scorche | did you win the games after the pints? =P |
| 15:06:23 | GodEater | well I guess I won the last one after I'd finished the pints |
| 15:06:29 | webguest20 | amiconn: and why that? Why not the last? |
| 15:06:32 | GodEater | it *was* only Shandy though - given I had a desk to come back to |
| 15:07:02 | linuxstb | Anyone know what size Torx screws are used in the Archos Recorder and H140? |
| 15:07:22 | GodEater | T4 |
| 15:07:27 | GodEater | on the H140 at least |
| 15:07:42 | GodEater | I'm waiting for my T4 screwdriver to arrive so I can replace the battery |
| 15:07:59 | linuxstb | Where did you buy it from? I see various sets on ebay... |
| 15:08:20 | GodEater | I have a set already - but it only went down to T6 (from Maplin) I ordered the screwdriver from.... (consults email) |
| 15:08:42 | * | petur hears drumroll |
| 15:08:51 | GodEater | mobilfun.co.uk |
| 15:09:04 | scorche | linuxstb: #10 for recorder |
| 15:09:04 | GodEater | mobilefun.co.uk |
| 15:09:04 | linuxstb | Sounds a reputable retailer... |
| 15:09:14 | linuxstb | scorche: Thanks. |
| 15:09:28 | GodEater | hasn't actually arrived mind you |
| 15:10:00 | scorche | actually wait...do torx go up or down in size as the number increases? |
| 15:10:11 | GodEater | up in size |
| 15:10:17 | GodEater | T4 is smaller than T6 |
| 15:10:18 | scorche | then #10 it is |
| 15:10:45 | GodEater | I might nip into Maplin again later and see if they sell T4s in there |
| 15:12:05 | linuxstb | I'm going to upgrade my AV340's disk, and that needs a T10, so thought I might as well cover my other devices at the same time. |
| 15:12:17 | linuxstb | And yes, the recorder and AV340 look the same size. |
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| 15:12:49 | scorche | well, same company |
| 15:14:17 | * | scorche should start looking for AV340s on ebay... |
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| 15:14:29 | GodEater | I'm fairly sure the set I got from Maplin includes a T10 |
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| 15:14:37 | GodEater | I needed it for dismantling my Xbox |
| 15:14:39 | scorche | GodEater: it is a common size |
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| 15:17:00 | GodEater | maplin don't do a T4 according to their site :( |
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| 15:17:55 | Mikachu | i think a T15 hammer will do the job too |
| 15:18:17 | GodEater | yes - but I'd like to put it back together afterwards without having to use glue and the power of prayer |
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| 15:24:16 | * | pondlife learns something new about lang files and thanks JDGordon |
| 15:25:27 | GodEater | well timed |
| 15:25:36 | pondlife | Indeed! |
| 15:25:43 | pondlife | Lunch took too long |
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| 15:26:17 | GodEater | they must be very heavy biscuits |
| 15:26:45 | ppeom | where is old rockbox build...? |
| 15:27:39 | pondlife | ppeom: http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
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| 15:29:12 | ppeom | pondlife.. |
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| 15:29:39 | pondlife | ppeom: ? |
| 15:29:41 | ppeom | 2/1 build album art patch able complie ? |
| 15:30:19 | pondlife | Sorry, I don't understand or know anything about album art. |
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| 15:30:24 | jhMikeS | petur: what do you think about my removing all that PCMREC_PARANOID stuff I put there? Doesn't seem like anyone's testing with it and to me it's just complicating the source. |
| 15:30:48 | petur | I admit I haven't looked at it myself |
| 15:31:18 | petur | is that the stuff that logs glitches? |
| 15:32:05 | jhMikeS | It does a lot of extra integrity checks beyond buffer overflows but needs the #define to be enabled so a custom build |
| 15:33:38 | GodEater | ppeom: no official rockbox builds suppoer album art. Look in the "Unsupport builds" section of the forums. |
| 15:33:55 | GodEater | my typing is just shocking today |
| 15:34:07 | * | GodEater reaches for Mavis Beacon |
| 15:35:55 | jhMikeS | petur: it's a slight overhead but not too bad. It could possibly catch something important if actually used in a real setting and noone forgets to check the warning |
| 15:36:17 | pondlife | But too much overhead to put in normal builds? |
| 15:36:47 | petur | the trouble with (stealth) recording is you can't look at the warning.... |
| 15:37:10 | jhMikeS | I think for normal builds it's a bit too much maybe. |
| 15:37:37 | jhMikeS | The warning won't go anywhere unless you stop and then restart |
| 15:37:50 | pondlife | OK. I'd leave it in until you're happy that the glitches have been resolved. That is, if you think there's possible progress. |
| 15:38:22 | jhMikeS | You'll just see a bitmask of all warnings that have occurred so you can check it after leaving |
| 15:38:53 | jhMikeS | pondlife: yeah, under that criteria it's not going anywhere :) |
| 15:38:59 | pondlife | :( |
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| 15:40:10 | jhMikeS | All I need is one good report that rules out other stuff...or I happen to find something. |
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| 15:43:38 | * | Genre9mp3 wants FS #5725 in SVN |
| 15:44:07 | Genre9mp3 | very nice game and it seems that it works for all targets |
| 15:44:10 | jhMikeS | The disk is given 30s to comply so it can't be waiting in a single file call that long or else an error would occurr and recording would cease |
| 15:44:10 | pondlife | Hmm is it only English.lang where new strings must go at the end? What about deutsch.lang? |
| 15:44:25 | Genre9mp3 | (maybe not for Gigabeat and Sansa) |
| 15:44:45 | Mikachu | Genre9mp3: i never managed to finish level 2 :) |
| 15:44:47 | B4gder | pondlife: the english one decides the order so that's the only one with hard order rules |
| 15:44:56 | pondlife | OK |
| 15:45:10 | Genre9mp3 | Mikachu: I got addicted and finished all levels (15) |
| 15:45:39 | Genre9mp3 | Mikachu: The only drawback of the game seems to be that... needs more levels |
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| 15:46:24 | Genre9mp3 | Mikachu: But it's very nice, well designed and not buggy so I think it worths an inclusion |
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| 15:47:05 | Mikachu | i meant level 4 |
| 15:47:14 | Mikachu | but other than that i agree :) |
| 15:47:30 | Mikachu | it seems to not clear the background properly when i start it, but maybe it's not rebuilding properly and i got an old compile |
| 15:47:31 | Genre9mp3 | hehe... maybe I should write a PegBox Walkthrough then! :P |
| 15:47:36 | jhMikeS | The fact that the skips are all exactly on chunk boundaries keeps me obsessed with that. I will increase the allotted time to about what the old allowed (11.6s or 2MB) |
| 15:47:53 | pondlife | http://www.detachedsolutions.com/features/ doesn't seem to have a license mentioned. |
| 15:48:07 | * | GodEater has just been told that apparently there's a T5 size of Torx as well. "So I'm not sure the H140 *is* a T4 after all". |
| 15:48:10 | petur | jhMikeS: I'd like that... |
| 15:48:21 | Genre9mp3 | Mikachu: I have to admit that I never use backdrop so I don't know about that but I guess this would be easy to fix |
| 15:49:21 | Genre9mp3 | pondlife: AFAIU the game is based on detachedsolutions, it's not actually a port |
| 15:49:42 | Mikachu | aha, i finished it |
| 15:49:45 | Mikachu | (the level) |
| 15:49:49 | jhMikeS | I figure absolute minimum 10s if the drive spin reads zero and hopefully that won't just delay the inevitable. |
| 15:49:50 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
| 15:50:04 | pondlife | OK, so no property rights issues? |
| 15:50:17 | Genre9mp3 | I think so... |
| 15:50:39 | pondlife | The only legal-ish thing I can see is Copyright © 2000-2007 Detached Solutions |
| 15:51:01 | Genre9mp3 | We should ask midgey about that first |
| 15:51:47 | * | GodEater just checked the misticriver guide for battery replacement in an H140 - it's a T5 :( |
| 15:51:55 | * | Genre9mp3 thinks that "midgey" and "midkay" is a bit confusing |
| 15:52:34 | Genre9mp3 | someone has to change his nick :P |
| 15:53:08 | jhMikeS | they rhyme though |
| 15:54:04 | amiconn | jhMikeS: If drive spinup time reads zero (i.e. no measured spinup yet), you should use a safe default for calculation |
| 15:55:00 | Genre9mp3 | Speaking of nice games another one might be FS #5535 (Chopper game) but last time I tested the game freezes the player (H300) when exiting |
| 15:55:46 | jhMikeS | amiconn: It sometimes reads out nonzero, then zero, then nonzero unless that's a bug. What's a safe default for most drives? I usually see ~240-250 ticks. |
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| 16:04:03 | amiconn | Hmm, it shouldn't go back to zero.... I would use 3.5s as default |
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| 16:05:07 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I've seen it go back and forth watching things work on the remote logf. |
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| 16:06:48 | jhMikeS | I could be mistaken and that was the first spin though and just never thought to make sure |
| 16:07:06 | jhMikeS | O |
| 16:07:13 | jhMikeS | I'll have to confirm |
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| 16:35:16 | GodEater | this battery replacement looks like it's going to be somewhat challenging for my fat fingers |
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| 16:39:09 | TravisH | GodEater: Which device? |
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| 16:50:21 | GodEater | TravisH: H140 |
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| 17:03:56 | GodEater | ooh ooh - one more post to go before two hundred!! |
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| 17:05:19 | perl|work | GodEater hows your gigabeat doing |
| 17:05:40 | markun | GodEater: in the forums? |
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| 17:06:10 | GodEater | gigabeat is awesometastic |
| 17:06:15 | GodEater | markun: yep ;) |
| 17:06:32 | directhex|work | my gigabeat arrives tomorrow, so if it's not fantastic, i'll be getting my bonesaw & coming after you |
| 17:06:39 | GodEater | bring it buddy |
| 17:06:41 | GodEater | :) |
| 17:07:10 | directhex|work | i play violent videogames! i could snap at any moment! |
| 17:07:34 | markun | directhex|work: there is no rockbox for the Gigabeat! Didn't you read the date of that post?? |
| 17:07:44 | markun | somewhere in april |
| 17:08:17 | GodEater | we have posts from the future? Wow! |
| 17:08:29 | perl|work | lol |
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| 17:09:57 | GodEater | Llorean was surprisingly gentle with me there |
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| 17:11:32 | Llorean | GodEater: I have no problem with people using the software they like. |
| 17:12:22 | Llorean | I *think* there's a mistake in JdGordon's theme-saving change. |
| 17:13:12 | Llorean | It looks like it saves the FM Presets file as part of the theme. Though I might be misreading it. =/ |
| 17:15:11 | GodEater | Llorean: I meant for not using proper english in the forums ;) |
| 17:15:48 | Llorean | Hahaha |
| 17:16:12 | Llorean | This stick up my rear doesn't quite go far enough for me to yell at people about nonessential things in quotes. ;) |
| 17:16:23 | GodEater | hehe |
| 17:16:25 | directhex|work | "Me Fail English? That's Unpossible!" |
| 17:16:57 | GodEater | ah, Ralph Wiggum - thank you for so many fantastic one liners. |
| 17:17:05 | GodEater | "I bent my wookie!" |
| 17:17:55 | * | GodEater wonders what to do with an evening without the g/f at home... |
| 17:18:23 | GodEater | I can hear the siren call of the pub... |
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| 17:23:16 | rp- | from where is __backlight_set_brightness called? i guess somewhere from the settings, but couldn't find the settings*.c |
| 17:23:24 | hab | hi all |
| 17:23:25 | rp- | +in |
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| 17:25:05 | hab | just a jump to notice you that recent update seems to make Rockbox highly unstable with sansa (way more unstable that a SID Debian) |
| 17:25:59 | hab | tested with a recent cvs. Kudos for invaders clone, its very nice :) |
| 17:26:02 | rp- | hab: the current sansa build freezes after a few seconds, it's because of some endless loop in the main thread, dan_a said |
| 17:26:27 | GodEater | given the highly developmental status of the sansa port, I'm not in the least bit surprised |
| 17:26:46 | hab | i know it's a highly developped target so dont mind really :) |
| 17:27:01 | directhex|work | "unstable" in the debian sense means "changes a lot" not "crashes a lot" |
| 17:27:19 | hab | thanks to Rockbox, i manage to start reading C verses |
| 17:27:31 | GodEater | even "testing" isn't usually too bad in debian |
| 17:27:59 | hab | if i well remember first Ubuntu bases were from SID (?) |
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| 17:29:05 | directhex|work | because the software in there tends to be updated frequently. i.e. changes a lot |
| 17:29:17 | directhex|work | coo, "Track Gain if Shuffling." there are some rather nice features in this 'ere rockbox |
| 17:29:23 | GodEater | Debian stable moves slightly more slowly than a glacier |
| 17:31:12 | Llorean | GodEater: Well, it's been more than a year since Rockbox Stable has changed. |
| 17:31:31 | GodEater | true - and it's only available for one platform! |
| 17:31:40 | Llorean | Not true. |
| 17:31:55 | * | jhMikeS forgot where he put the call to __backlight_set_brightness |
| 17:32:03 | Llorean | Archos Player, Recorder, FM Recorder, Recorder V2, OndioSp, and OndioFM are either 3 or 6 platforms. |
| 17:32:10 | Llorean | They're just a single architecture. |
| 17:32:21 | GodEater | I think that's what I meant |
| 17:32:24 | directhex|work | i remember my old archos |
| 17:32:34 | Llorean | My recorder is mysteriously able to charge again. |
| 17:33:13 | directhex|work | shaped like a brick with rubber feet, fed by AA batteries, absolutely nightmarish to navigate, and incapable of 'normal' usb mass storage due to some silly chip it used i forget the name of |
| 17:33:22 | directhex|work | is200 or something like that |
| 17:34:10 | amiconn | directhex|work: Wrong. |
| 17:34:16 | GodEater | I think my first mp3 player was the Rio600 or somesuch |
| 17:34:17 | jhMikeS | rp-: from backlight_set_brightness in backlight.c if your questions still relevant now |
| 17:34:36 | amiconn | Only the archos player and the recorder v1 <20GB has a non-msd compliant usb bridge |
| 17:34:57 | amiconn | The recorder v1 20GB, the v2/fm and the Ondios all have standards compliant bridges |
| 17:35:46 | directhex|work | amiconn, what did i say, specifically, that was wrong? |
| 17:36:01 | * | GodEater was trying to figure that out too |
| 17:36:03 | rp- | jhMikeS: thank you, found it already |
| 17:39:36 | * | jhMikeS wonders if ata_write_sectors might ever end up not yielding enough if called on a boosted thread |
| 17:40:22 | amiconn | ata_write_sectors only yields if it has to wait for the disk to spin up |
| 17:40:42 | amiconn | Once the transfer started, it happens in one go without yielding |
| 17:41:03 | amiconn | (up to the maximum specified in the ata standard - 256 sectors) |
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| 17:43:11 | jhMikeS | amiconn: It seems to yield a lot during a flush at normal priority to where explicitly yielding there only causes more loss of ground. There's no explicit yield at all in pcmrec_flush but when boost it may be too aggressive. |
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| 17:48:59 | GodEater | anyone got any ideas on the latest Apple install forum post. I seem to recall someone else describing the same issue recently - but don't recall if we managed to get their computer to recognise the iPod again properly ? (I think this was posted in the mailing list somewhere?) |
| 17:51:44 | GodEater | woo - post 200 |
| 17:53:50 | jhMikeS | If it didn't end up yielding a fair amount the screen would freeze up till the flush was over. If it boosts the screen crawls. Overcompensating one end of this recording thing could possibly cause the observed problems from the other end. |
| 17:54:08 | Genre9mp3 | GodEater: only 6095 left to catch up Llorean! :P |
| 17:54:37 | Llorean | I've actually sent over 250 PMs as well. |
| 17:55:13 | Genre9mp3 | Llorean: hehe, its 6500+ then? |
| 17:55:13 | Llorean | Though about half of them are either "No, I will not give you (type) ROMs" or "No, I will not compile a build for you" |
| 17:55:23 | Llorean | Only if you count PMs. |
| 17:55:52 | Llorean | I still haven't hit the "10% of posts" point. I think I'm always gonna be about 200 behind. |
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| 18:02:41 | jhMikeS | When it boosts priority on x5 with 88k wavpack, it goes from flood to dumping the whole buffer to disk in < 1 sec. Too drastic. |
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| 18:59:27 | kkkthx | quick question here guys |
| 18:59:41 | kkkthx | i understood that the 2nd gen nano has an encryption in the boot sector |
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| 19:00:16 | kkkthx | this disables ALL programs like podzilla rockbox ipodlinux etc etc, so basically this means its impossible to play video on 2nd gen nano's ? |
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| 19:03:33 | kkkthx | anyone ? |
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| 19:05:29 | Mikachu | indirectly yes |
| 19:05:41 | kkkthx | meaning |
| 19:05:47 | kkkthx | well have to wait :( |
| 19:05:56 | kkkthx | on some smart cracker to crack the encryption |
| 19:06:09 | Mikachu | then you have to figure out how the actual hardware works |
| 19:06:24 | kkkthx | omg i fucking hate this if i had bought my nano some earlier i wouldnt have this problem, sigh |
| 19:06:31 | kkkthx | well the hardware isnt much different |
| 19:06:40 | Mikachu | actually it's completely different |
| 19:06:42 | kkkthx | the firmware is encrypted on some essential parts as far as i know |
| 19:06:51 | Mikachu | it's not even the same cpu |
| 19:07:14 | Mikachu | it's essentially a completely new port |
| 19:07:26 | kkkthx | well thats some bad news |
| 19:07:42 | kkkthx | they havent even completely dug out the old port |
| 19:07:50 | kkkthx | let alone the new 2nd gen |
| 19:08:18 | kkkthx | argh wish i was an extremely gifted programmer lal |
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| 19:11:37 | Mikachu | haha, "lal" |
| 19:11:57 | Mikachu | when people can't even spell lol correctly... |
| 19:12:58 | perl|work | its the 1st time i see a misspelled "lol" |
| 19:15:52 | Genre9mp3 | haha... weird though..."a" is "miles" away from "o" |
| 19:16:47 | Mikachu | it's next to it on dvorak, but i doubt he uses that |
| 19:16:53 | crwl | i'd say it wasn't misspelled, it was just an alternative spelling :P |
| 19:16:59 | crwl | (i.e. i've seen that earlier) |
| 19:18:03 | Mikachu | laughing arbitrarily loud? |
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| 19:26:18 | perl|work | why would you want to watch videos on 1.5 inch screen again? |
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| 19:33:51 | perl|work | "Rockbox sounds LIKE A BAG OF SHIT, compared to Iriver FW." |
| 19:33:56 | perl|work | nice quotes |
| 19:35:30 | rp- | i have fixed the bug, that keeps the sansa freezing |
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| 19:36:00 | rp- | it was introduced with revision 12093 −−> settings change |
| 19:36:51 | rp- | bad that dan_a or barry isn't here |
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| 19:46:15 | n1s | bluey restart |
| 19:47:48 | bluey- | worked thx |
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| 20:50:35 | dan_a | rp-: Nice work, sir! I'll get it tested+committed shortly |
| 20:51:01 | rp- | no problem :) |
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| 20:51:30 | rp- | i currently doing a brightness/backlight patch |
| 20:51:39 | rp- | i'm |
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| 21:07:50 | rp- | here is the patch: FS #6608 |
| 21:08:39 | dan_a | Let me test the first one first! |
| 21:08:43 | hachi | my gosh, how big is the rockbox checkout size? |
| 21:09:01 | rp- | dan_a: of course :) |
| 21:09:18 | rp- | hachi: around 120mb, it takes ages to checkout ;) |
| 21:09:41 | hachi | well screw this then, I'm switching to svk |
| 21:10:06 | n1s | my svn checkout is about 60 megs and that's supposed to have everything twice... |
| 21:10:46 | hachi | svk is more diskspace efficient, and I can offline easier... whee |
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| 21:16:15 | Spug | hmm, my h320 won't boot after i unzipped the latest SVN build |
| 21:16:43 | dan_a | rp-: Are you in the credits file already? |
| 21:17:19 | rp- | dan_a: no |
| 21:20:08 | * | mattzz cheers to rp for fixing the sansa freeze |
| 21:22:12 | rp- | testing the backlight was really hard with the freeze, so i looked at it |
| 21:23:13 | dan_a | Your fix is committed! Now I can take a look at FS #6608 |
| 21:23:37 | rp- | great |
| 21:28:55 | amiconn | dan_a: Ah, so it was "just" the increased stack demand caused by the settings save? |
| 21:29:14 | amiconn | What about test_disk.rock? |
| 21:29:48 | dan_a | amiconn: Still not working properly |
| 21:30:59 | dan_a | I plan to write a ~300Mb file of data to the disk, where you can calculate the data at each location so that I can see if reading is working properly |
| 21:32:21 | n1s | Would youa guys thing that introducing a HAVE_USB_CHARGING would be a good thing? |
| 21:32:32 | dan_a | amiconn: I still want to rename ata-e200.c to something more appropriate - do you have any suggestions? Is flash-e200.c OK? |
| 21:33:14 | amiconn | n1s: I don't think we need an extra define for this |
| 21:33:29 | amiconn | HAVE_USB_POWER effectively means the same |
| 21:33:42 | n1s | amiconn: ok |
| 21:34:13 | amiconn | dan_a: The data sequence written by test_disk is predictable |
| 21:34:25 | dan_a | I thought it was random? |
| 21:35:06 | amiconn | It's pseudo-random, as all computer-generated "randomness", and the seed is fixed |
| 21:36:02 | amiconn | That's how it works: it first writes a test file using this pseudo-random sequence, then reads back and compares what it gets using the prng |
| 21:36:12 | amiconn | (resetting the seed beforehand of course) |
| 21:37:24 | hachi | what sort of revision numbers are we at in rockbox |
| 21:37:40 | Mikachu | 12177 |
| 21:37:44 | dan_a | So if I modify the plugin to write two files (resetting the seed between them), they ought to have the same contents - and a bug in the writing part of the driver will show up if they are different |
| 21:38:03 | hachi | thanks |
| 21:38:57 | amiconn | In order to cause maximum stress, the block sizes and alignments for each block are chosen randomly (using a second prng - the standard rockbox rand() - so that mechanism doesn't interfere with sequence generation) |
| 21:39:16 | linuxstb | dan_a: Is the ata-e200.c driver Sansa specific or should it work on any pp5024? |
| 21:40:23 | dan_a | linuxstb: I think it's Sansa specific - there is a Sandisk chip which is believed to act as a flash<->SD bridge. We'll only really find out when we have another PP5024 target, though |
| 21:40:29 | amiconn | I am thinking about adding some logging facility to it, which would log the write block boundaries & alignments for each block, and print an "expected data/actual data" comparison if it hits a difference |
| 21:41:15 | Spug | hmm, the SVN build makes my H300 unable to boot Rockbox, and the daily build works, but doesn't have the USB charging patch commited |
| 21:41:29 | Spug | might the USB charging be the problem somehow? |
| 21:41:30 | amiconn | dan_a: Doing what you want is rather simple: just comment the cleanup operation so that the test file isn't deleted. Then rename the file after the first run and start another |
| 21:42:27 | dan_a | amiconn: Thank you. I should know very soon writing is a problem then... |
| 21:43:20 | rp- | i wrote some debug files on the sansa and had never corrupted files, just for info |
| 21:44:08 | amiconn | dan_a: Regarding the driver name - what about sdc-sansa.c ? |
| 21:44:13 | amiconn | (sdc for sd card) |
| 21:44:37 | amiconn | I guess this driver might also work (probably with some adjustment) for the c200 |
| 21:45:03 | * | amiconn should probably rename ata-mmc.c to mmc-ondio.c |
| 21:45:15 | dan_a | rp-: It's not a problem that shows up immediately - but it always shows if you run the stress test (unless my Sansa has some bad flash) |
| 21:45:49 | dan_a | amiconn: Or just sd-sansa.c - it doesn't actually support the SD slot yet |
| 21:45:56 | amiconn | The "ata-" part was just meant for showing that this file implements the same api as the ata driver |
| 21:46:08 | rp- | dan_a: i will check if i can reproduces it on my sansa |
| 21:46:33 | amiconn | rp-: Just enable building test-disk.c, the run the fs stress test... |
| 21:46:45 | rp- | btw. with the current build my lcd_yuv_blit() works, no more blocking effects, but bad fps |
| 21:47:02 | amiconn | test-disk runs without error on all my targets (which don't include a sansa) |
| 21:47:06 | dan_a | rp-: Thanks. You need to add test_disk.c to apps/plugins/SOURCES |
| 21:48:28 | amiconn | dan_a: Btw, comparing data from 2 subsequent runs will only show a difference if the error is random |
| 21:48:44 | amiconn | If it's consistent, both files will be identical but still wrong |
| 21:49:10 | dan_a | amiconn: Would two different targets produce the same file? |
| 21:49:13 | amiconn | You could write a test file on another target (iirc you have at least one) and compare |
| 21:49:28 | amiconn | It should even work in the sim, but I didn't try that yet |
| 21:49:37 | amiconn | Yes, all targets should produce the same sequence |
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| 21:50:23 | amiconn | (just the Ondio stops earlier - writing a 300MB test file onto the 128MB internal flash obviously won't work ;) ) |
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| 21:51:40 | linuxstb | Could you run the read part of the test in the sim (or another target), with the file written on the Sansa? |
| 21:51:54 | amiconn | Hmm, running test_disk in the sim produces a "Write error" |
| 21:52:23 | hachi | la la la, still waiting for revisions 12177 to finish downloading |
| 21:53:10 | n1s | but now rev 12177 is old :-P |
| 21:53:28 | * | amiconn needs to check the creat() parameters |
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| 21:54:10 | hachi | it's okay, I'll sync again after this finishes |
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| 21:57:28 | * | rp- starts test_disk |
| 21:57:44 | rp- | FS stress test or disk speed? |
| 21:57:49 | dan_a | Stress test |
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| 22:00:08 | rp- | compare error |
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| 22:00:51 | dan_a | rp-: Good - that means that my Sansa's not broken... unfortunately it means that my code is. |
| 22:01:29 | rp- | dan_a: but it's easier to fix your code than your sansa ;) |
| 22:03:50 | * | amiconn is puzzled about creat() |
| 22:04:04 | HardDisk_WP | disconnecting |
| 22:04:26 | amiconn | Googling tells me the second parameter is the file mode, i.e. I should use 0666 |
| 22:05:15 | linuxstb | According to the manpage, it's the same as open(path, O_CREAT | O_TRUNC | O_WRONLY, mode); |
| 22:05:20 | amiconn | ...but all other rockbox code uses creat("/filename", O_WRONLY); (??) |
| 22:05:40 | linuxstb | Maybe our creat isn't POSIX. |
| 22:05:44 | Bagder | well, the 'mode' doesn't do anything rockbox, does it? |
| 22:06:00 | amiconn | Bagder: No, not in rockbox itself, but in the sim it does |
| 22:06:06 | Bagder | oh |
| 22:06:22 | amiconn | Hence just using 0 doesn't work in the sim |
| 22:06:37 | linuxstb | Our creat is: return open(pathname, O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC); |
| 22:06:42 | Bagder | I guess the sim needs to override that value then |
| 22:06:43 | linuxstb | i.e. mode is ignored. |
| 22:06:48 | amiconn | If I use 0666 it works, but why the heck does all other rockbox code use O_WRONLY? |
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| 22:07:07 | amiconn | O_WRONLY isn't a mode in this sense afaiu |
| 22:07:10 | Bagder | amiconn: probably started once and then everyone copied the first mistake |
| 22:07:23 | dan_a | amiconn: The files on the Sansa are different, and it looks like it is to do with the alignment - the same sequence of bytes occurs in both files, but offset by 2 bytes. There are only 10 mismatches in the 300Mb, though |
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| 22:08:16 | amiconn | ugh |
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| 22:08:49 | amiconn | Does that mean the 2 files written on the same Sansa differ? |
| 22:08:57 | dan_a | amiconn: Yes |
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| 22:10:09 | amiconn | Bagder: Hmm, what do you think would be better: Staying with posix and keeping the useless (for rockbox) 'mode' parameter, or deviating from posix and killing 'mode'? |
| 22:10:19 | dan_a | Let me compare them to the iPod... |
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| 22:10:32 | Bagder | amiconn: I would prefer staying posix |
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| 22:10:44 | amiconn | Just overriding it for the sim sounds like a worse idea than keeping it plain posix |
| 22:11:07 | linuxstb | Shouldn't the open have a mode parameter as well if we're being posix? |
| 22:11:16 | amiconn | Our 'open' isn't plain paosix either |
| 22:13:56 | amiconn | Hmm |
| 22:14:18 | * | amiconn tends towards killing the 'mode' parameter for creat() |
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| 22:16:29 | * | linuxstb tends to agree - having a parameter we ignore seems like it can only cause confusion (as it has done...) |
| 22:16:40 | amiconn | Hmm, that's confusing: unix.org says creat(file, mode) is equivalent to open(file, O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC, mode) |
| 22:16:55 | Bagder | yeah, remove the arg |
| 22:17:06 | amiconn | ..but then it defines open(file, oflag, ...) |
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| 22:17:16 | * | amiconn wonders about the '...' part |
| 22:17:21 | Bagder | amiconn: yes, since mode is not required for reading |
| 22:17:32 | Bagder | mode is only used when the file is created |
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| 22:18:51 | amiconn | Hmm, makes sense. |
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| 22:29:01 | zylche | bug, invadrox on ipod video 5g crashes rockbox completely. |
| 22:29:14 | * | linuxstb discovers the portalplayer website is still at http://portalplayer.com (without the www.) |
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| 22:30:53 | Bagder | haha |
| 22:31:47 | Bagder | but I also noticed that the product briefs are also available on the nvidia site |
| 22:31:50 | dan_a | Hmmm... it's aligned writing which is breaking the Sansa. If I remove that, the stress test passes. That suggested to me that declaring the registers as ints instead of shorts had messed things up - but fixing that doesn't make the test pass. |
| 22:32:36 | linuxstb | Bagder: They are? I've failed to find anything on the nvidia site. |
| 22:32:53 | Bagder | lemme see if I can find them again... |
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| 22:33:57 | dan_a | It was in the "handheld" section, but that looks a bit broken to me |
| 22:34:10 | * | zylche prods the channel to see if they heard him.. |
| 22:34:10 | Bagder | http://www.nvidia.com/page/pp_5024.html |
| 22:34:15 | Bagder | http://www.nvidia.com/page/pp_5022.html |
| 22:34:24 | linuxstb_ | zylche: I'm just compiling now to test on my 5g |
| 22:35:03 | linuxstb_ | html pages that send PDF files? |
| 22:35:09 | Bagder | it seems so |
| 22:35:14 | amiconn | Bagder: Our creat() wasn't even pure posix in the sim: |
| 22:35:39 | zylche | You should see a flash of the game for a second, then it'll black out and sound will cut. |
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| 22:35:59 | [NoobSaucitizer] | Hey' |
| 22:36:03 | amiconn | Instead of passing 'mode' to the OS, it translated 'mode' into additional 'oflag' flags, and then ored them with O_CREAT | O_TRUNC |
| 22:36:16 | [NoobSaucitizer] | is this rockbox? |
| 22:36:25 | Bagder | amiconn: nasty indeed |
| 22:36:38 | [NoobSaucitizer] | How do I stay in rockbox while charging my iPod? |
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| 22:36:50 | amiconn | I just started a build with the 'mode' parameter removed |
| 22:37:00 | n1s | [NoobSaucitizer]: hold down menu button when connecting |
| 22:37:02 | linuxstb_ | [NoobSaucitizer]: Hold MENU as you insert the cable. (you need to start Rockbox first) |
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| 22:39:52 | linuxstb_ | zylche: Works fine for me. |
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| 22:40:04 | bluebrother | Bagder, you're aware the manual didn't build today? |
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| 22:40:13 | Bagder | nope |
| 22:40:28 | * | Bagder is unaware and happy ;-) |
| 22:40:33 | linuxstb_ | Does the server have latex-ucs installed? |
| 22:40:52 | Bagder | I doubt that |
| 22:40:52 | TrueJournals | lol |
| 22:40:53 | bluebrother | that was my first thought too |
| 22:40:56 | LinusN | Bagder: the build server didn't have latex-ucs installed. now it has |
| 22:41:03 | Bagder | ok |
| 22:41:12 | Bagder | bluebrother: yes of course it has! ;-O |
| 22:41:24 | bluebrother | hehe |
| 22:41:40 | * | Bagder can't even reply the right person |
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| 22:41:49 | dan_a | Why do we use SET_16BITREG(reg, val) in ata.c instead of just reg=val? |
| 22:41:52 | amiconn | bluebrother: Hmm, how would I install this ucs stuff? |
| 22:42:08 | amiconn | There is no cygwin package for this |
| 22:42:22 | bluebrother | hmm. Haven't thought about cygwin |
| 22:42:23 | amiconn | dan_a: This is a remnant from the gmini port |
| 22:42:27 | bluebrother | maybe latex-unicode? |
| 22:42:28 | LinusN | dan_a: it's because not all targets can use a simple assignment like that |
| 22:42:33 | Spug | SVN builds do not have the date in the version number, only the daily builds? or do both? |
| 22:42:36 | amiconn | Gmini didn't have memory mapped ata i/o |
| 22:42:47 | dan_a | LinusN, amiconn: Thanks |
| 22:42:53 | Bagder | Spug: both should have dates and rev number |
| 22:43:05 | Spug | okay |
| 22:43:23 | Spug | i installed the SVN build, but the USB charging doesn't seem to work (iriver H300) |
| 22:43:28 | Spug | do i need to enable it somewhere? |
| 22:43:38 | Spug | i'm holding REC while inserting the cable, is that correct? |
| 22:43:49 | n1s | there should be asetting |
| 22:44:14 | Spug | aaah, yeah, thanks |
| 22:44:16 | Spug | found it |
| 22:45:28 | linuxstb_ | What is the setting for? |
| 22:45:49 | LinusN | linuxstb_: enable usb charging on h300 |
| 22:46:07 | amiconn | Enable, or just switch between 100 and 500 mA |
| 22:46:09 | amiconn | ? |
| 22:46:24 | LinusN | amiconn: don't know yet, i suspect it is switch 100/500 |
| 22:46:25 | Spug | so if that setting is set to "No", what happens when inserting the USB cable while holding REC? nothing seems to happen (except that an icon in the status bar changes), so what's the pointing in having it set to "No"? |
| 22:46:53 | n1s | usb hubs for example don't provide enough power |
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| 22:47:49 | * | linuxstb_ spots a new "Charge during USB connection" on his ipod... |
| 22:47:53 | Spug | aha, okay |
| 22:47:59 | tucoz | bluebrother: while i got the virtualbox vm to work with shared folders, i can not use it as i wanted. the script files won't work as windows can not set the executable bit |
| 22:48:11 | n1s | And trying to draw too much from a low powered port will either break something or just not work :-) |
| 22:48:27 | Spug | i see :) thanks |
| 22:48:50 | amiconn | tucoz: There is no point in using a *nix based vm and let the build run on shared folder. |
| 22:49:04 | amiconn | If you do that, it will be as slow as building under cygwin |
| 22:49:08 | tucoz | amiconn: you are probably right |
| 22:49:18 | tucoz | i live and learn ;) |
| 22:49:36 | amiconn | The underlying problem is that the windows filesystem is slow when dealing with lots of small files |
| 22:49:48 | amiconn | It has nothing to do with cygwin being slow by itself |
| 22:49:48 | Mikachu | fat or ntfs? |
| 22:49:49 | tucoz | i see. is that what makes cygwin so slow? |
| 22:49:59 | tucoz | i use ntfs |
| 22:50:06 | dan_a | Can anyone have a look at ata_e200.c, and see if they can spot any bugs in the 16 bit aligned section of copy_write_sectors that wouldn't go away by making sure DATA_REG was 16 bits? |
| 22:50:28 | amiconn | tucoz: I tried that with vmware shared folders once |
| 22:50:28 | tucoz | but this vm is really good. i compiled rockbox for h120 in 1m3s |
| 22:50:38 | tucoz | hehe. i see |
| 22:51:04 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: Have you tried just using the ASM versions/ |
| 22:51:05 | linuxstb_ | ? |
| 22:51:16 | tucoz | and it feels like the manual builds faster on this, compared to my linux install |
| 22:51:37 | amiconn | Mikachu: ntfs definitely has that problem. And who would install windows on a fat partition? |
| 22:51:53 | dan_a | linuxstb_: Not yet. I've tried taking out the 16 bit aligned code, and that works, but I want to understand what I've done wrong - if I've done anything wrong |
| 22:51:55 | amiconn | A test would probably be a good idea though |
| 22:52:24 | tucoz | amiconn: is it possible to access the vm-files from windows? |
| 22:52:47 | amiconn | You mean when the vm isn't running? |
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| 22:53:09 | bluebrother | sorry, just got a phone call |
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| 22:53:18 | tucoz_ | no, when the vm is running |
| 22:53:23 | bluebrother | amiconn, if there is no package you can install it yourself from the source |
| 22:53:25 | bluebrother | http://www.unruh.de/DniQ/latex/unicode/ |
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| 22:53:45 | amiconn | bluebrother: I've read that, but the instructions aren't very detailed |
| 22:53:45 | bluebrother | I'm going to look into cygwin |
| 22:54:21 | bluebrother | easiest way: put the mentioned files and data/*-[01].* into the root of the manual tree |
| 22:54:28 | amiconn | tucoz_: No, and it would be a bad idea to access it from the outside. The guest's file system wouldn't know about changes done from the outside |
| 22:54:37 | pixelma | I just installed the necessary files manually and followed the install instractions - see wiki ;) |
| 22:54:43 | amiconn | But you can share some paths with samba |
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| 22:55:16 | tucoz_ | virtualbox has it's own filesharing |
| 22:55:23 | pixelma | (regarding unicode and cygwin) |
| 22:56:31 | tucoz_ | so i can share files between the vm and the windows host |
| 22:57:16 | TrueJournals | tucoz: I'm actually trying to setup Debian on VirtualBox right now to try that out for myself... SAMBA doesn't work that well in VMWare :-\ |
| 22:57:33 | tucoz_ | TrueJournals: i am running debian in my virtualbox |
| 22:57:41 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: The copy_write_sectors looks identical to the version in ata.c to me... |
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| 22:58:11 | TrueJournals | lol, I just dowloaded some net install floppy images because I was too lazy to download a CD and wanted a minimal install |
| 22:58:13 | tucoz_ | TrueJournals: but you have to use the proprietary version to be able to share folders |
| 22:58:21 | tucoz_ | me too |
| 22:58:27 | tucoz_ | oh. not floppys |
| 22:58:29 | GodEater | one H140 battery upgrade complete. |
| 22:58:38 | GodEater | done whilst half drunk too - so it can't be that hard |
| 22:58:47 | TrueJournals | tucoz: I downloaded Debian3.1r4... will that be OK? |
| 22:58:50 | dan_a | linuxstb_: I'm going to give amiconn's ASM version a try - but if it doesn't work I won't be too surprised |
| 22:59:06 | tucoz_ | TrueJournals: is that testing? in that case, it will be great |
| 22:59:13 | TrueJournals | I'm not quite sure :-p |
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| 22:59:34 | tucoz_ | hehe, me neither. i downloaded the testing businesscard iso |
| 22:59:37 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: Transfers are 16 words at a time? |
| 22:59:40 | amiconn | dan_a: Maybe we're doing something too fast or too slow? Did you try different cpu frequencies? (boosted/unboosted/default) |
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| 22:59:51 | TrueJournals | tucoz: Oh, from http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/debian/dists/ I need to go to testing? |
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| 23:00:23 | tucoz_ | i do not remember. i can try to find where i downloaded mine |
| 23:00:32 | TrueJournals | ok |
| 23:01:24 | amiconn | I would always use the net installer (provided the machine does have network access) |
| 23:01:33 | dan_a | linuxstb_: Yes. amiconn: I've only tested at 75MHz so far - but it was failing when it had the lcd_update call in there too, so I'd be surprised if it was that |
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| 23:04:49 | tucoz_ | TrueJournals: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 23:05:09 | tucoz_ | i think 3.1r4 is some old stable debian |
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| 23:06:45 | Zagor | only stable versions have version number in debian. so yes, 3.1 is stable. |
| 23:07:20 | Zagor | and you don't want to run stable unless you have a server farm or something |
| 23:07:30 | TrueJournals | ah, guess I'll have to get the latest version then :-p |
| 23:08:51 | TrueJournals | Do you know what the kernel version is on that testing version? |
| 23:09:16 | Bagder | 2.6.18-3 probably |
| 23:09:30 | TrueJournals | OK |
| 23:09:58 | Zagor | yeah, that's what my testing laptop has anyway |
| 23:11:21 | * | Bagder installed 2.6.19.2 today on his arm9-based board |
| 23:11:28 | Bagder | funny I'd have an older one at home |
| 23:13:22 | TrueJournals | lalala... installing debian... |
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| 23:14:31 | amiconn | dan_a: Now the sim produces 'compare error', grr :( |
| 23:14:49 | dan_a | Ouch! |
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| 23:15:52 | * | GodEater wonders if Llorean is around |
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| 23:20:25 | dan_a | Hmmph... ASM optimised reading/writing hangs the Sansa |
| 23:20:47 | GodEater | it's not your friend this week is it ? |
| 23:21:21 | * | GodEater offers dan_a a consolation virtual beer |
| 23:21:34 | * | dan_a has one in front of him! |
| 23:21:41 | GodEater | a real one I hope |
| 23:21:44 | GodEater | :) |
| 23:21:54 | amiconn | dan_a: Probably asking the obvious, but did you adjust the port address? |
| 23:22:46 | dan_a | amiconn: Yes. GodEater: Okells Mac Lir - a local wheat beer. |
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| 23:24:19 | GodEater | dan_a: never heard of it - but then I've never had the pleasure of a trip to the IoM |
| 23:24:47 | GodEater | so much beer to try - so little time! |
| 23:25:41 | Bagder | there's a badgerale.com |
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| 23:26:09 | Bagder | badgerales.com even |
| 23:26:18 | Bagder | perhaps I should spellcheck my nick now ;-) |
| 23:26:24 | GodEater | hehehehe |
| 23:26:49 | dan_a | I'll write and ask if they'll make a Bagder beer |
| 23:26:57 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:27:38 | GodEater | free samples too please |
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| 23:28:21 | * | dan_a owes several developers beers at Devcon |
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| 23:29:00 | amiconn | Bagder: But no bagderale.com ;) |
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| 23:29:20 | Bagder | http://www.hall-woodhouse.co.uk/images/badgerdirect/products/upload/i_bfg_pewter.jpg |
| 23:29:50 | Bagder | amiconn: those british people can't spell |
| 23:30:20 | dan_a | They're pretty nice beers - I've had a few in my time. (/me ignores the topic) |
| 23:31:00 | amiconn | Blargh. The compare error in the sim seems to be a windows problem |
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| 23:31:11 | amiconn | I need to add O_BINARY to th emix |
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| 23:33:52 | * | amiconn wonders whether O_BINARY is plain posix |
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| 23:34:32 | Bagder | I don't think so |
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| 23:35:30 | Bagder | http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xsh/open.html |
| 23:35:44 | Bagder | no O_BINARY there at least |
| 23:36:12 | amiconn | Ok, so #ifdef WIN32 it has to be... |
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| 23:36:28 | Bagder | or #ifdef O_BINARY ... |
| 23:36:44 | Bagder | strictly speaking, other OSes use the binary concept |
| 23:36:51 | Bagder | but none that our sim runs on ;-) |
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| 23:38:48 | amiconn | Bagder: Hmm, this is needed multiple times in uisimulator/common/io.c |
| 23:39:05 | amiconn | Do you think it would be a good idea to do this at the top: |
| 23:39:10 | amiconn | #ifndef O_BINARY |
| 23:39:15 | amiconn | #define O_BINARY 0 |
| 23:39:17 | amiconn | #endif |
| 23:39:18 | amiconn | ? |
| 23:39:23 | Bagder | yes, sounds like a good idea |
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| 23:44:00 | Bagder | #6609 ? |
| 23:44:04 | Bagder | "The .m2v doesn't play" |
| 23:44:21 | n1s | heh |
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| 23:45:02 | * | n1s wants to close with "Invalid" reason: no shit! (or similar rude comment :-) |
| 23:45:08 | mattzz | can somebody please help me with a stupid c/pointer/array question? |
| 23:46:39 | dan_a | mattzz: Ask the question, and we may be able to help... |
| 23:47:47 | mattzz | OK, thanks. I have a "char array_a[x][y]". How does a pointer to this array look like, which I want to pass to a function? |
| 23:48:04 | mattzz | ist the pointer "char *parray"? |
| 23:48:13 | mattzz | s/ist/is/ |
| 23:48:42 | Zagor | depends how you intend to use it. char *parray will point to it, but you'll have to case to get to both dimensions. |
| 23:48:51 | Zagor | s/case/cast |
| 23:49:18 | amiconn | umm... |
| 23:49:27 | * | amiconn has to bump the plugin api version... |
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| 23:50:12 | n1s | "wy doesn't the biary plugin I downloaded work!1!1!!!?" :-P |
| 23:50:40 | TrueJournals | lol |
| 23:51:13 | dan_a | Bagder: You should have just closed FS #6610 with the comment "Yes... yes, I can." |
| 23:51:16 | mattzz | Zagor: I want to switch arrays like a double buffer. I need something like "parray=next_array" and pass parray to functions to do something with "next_array" |
| 23:51:34 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:53:27 | hachi | whoever said rockbox takes up 60MB... I just synced against 12177 and it's 350 MB |
| 23:54:49 | mattzz | Zagor: should I use "char **parray " as a pointer to a 2-dimensional array? |
| 23:54:55 | Mikachu | i'm at 150MB or so |
| 23:55:01 | Mikachu | (without compiled objects) |
| 23:55:47 | dan_a | hachi: My SVN dir is 225MB, with some compiled objects in there. My git dir is 686MB, though |
| 23:56:03 | hachi | wait, you use git? |
| 23:56:12 | hachi | now I'm confused |
| 23:56:31 | Zagor | mattzz: do you want both dimensions in yout function, or do you just want to send a simple pointer there? |
| 23:56:32 | dan_a | I use git locally - it means that I can have lots of different branches easily |
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| 23:57:14 | mattzz | Zagor: I need to modify the (global) array in my function, so I need both dimensions |
| 23:58:22 | Zagor | then char** is wrong. map the memory in your head: char** means your pointer points to another pointer. |
| 23:58:52 | mattzz | argh, right. |
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