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#rockbox log for 2007-02-02

00:00:38Zagor(yess, logreader finishes beautifully)
00:00:50Mikachu4GB elephants dream downloaded today/this month
00:00:53mattzzOK, I have an char array[x][y] and I have an char * parray. Now I want to let parray point to array[][]. This should be parray=array, right?
00:01:23Mikachuthere's not really any difference between an array[] and an array[][]
00:01:38Mikachuyou just don't have to write [i*width + j]
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00:02:06mattzzok, that sounds logically
00:02:27*mattzz hasn't done programming for quite a while...
00:04:10Mikachunot sure exactly what you're doing, but be sure you're not giving someone else a pointer to a stack-allocated array and then exit your function while they still have the pointer
00:04:40amiconnHmm, if an svn commit fails, does that stop everything (as in a rolled back database transaction)?
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00:05:40amiconnLooks like it does....
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00:07:37Zagoramiconn: yes, that's part of the concept
00:08:17mattzzchar grid[LCD_WIDTH][LCD_HEIGHT];
00:08:27mattzz char *pgrid;
00:08:36mattzz pgrid = grid;
00:08:44mattzzwarning: assignment from incompatible pointer type
00:09:03Mikachumaybe &grid?
00:09:08*Mikachu is also rusty with pointer/array mixing
00:09:55Zagoryou can't get rid of the warning without a cast. they *are* different types-
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00:10:09mattzzCan you help me with the cast?
00:10:33amiconnpgrid = (char*)grid;
00:10:51mattzzAh, Ok!
00:12:14Mikachuis &grid and grid the same thing? (both seem to work in a test program)
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00:12:16mattzzLast question: if I pass pgrid to a function, how does the function declaration look like? func(char *pgrid)?
00:12:47Mikachuah, yes they are
00:12:59Mikachui knew something was the same with arrays involving a deref, but i couldn't remember what it was :)
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00:14:30dfklets say i'd like to watch some movies on ipod nano with rockbox installed on it which video format is required ?
00:14:37Mikachuand grid[4][2] is the same as pgrid[4*LCD_WIDTH + 2]
00:14:40mattzzOk, and I have to use [i*width + j] and I am not able to use [][], right?
00:14:53mattzz(int the function)
00:15:04Mikachuwell, no, since the function doesn't know how "wide" the array is
00:15:06bluebrotheranyone understands FS #6612?
00:15:29Mikachuthat guy seems a bit weird :)
00:15:44dfkdoes anybody know ?
00:15:59Mikachudfk: read the manual or the wiki page for mpegplayer
00:16:01Zagorit's a support question, not a feature request. close it.
00:16:11dfkups sory
00:16:32Mikachudfk: (mpeg 1 or 2 at the same or lower resolution as your lcd (176x132 or so?))
00:16:44dfkok thank you
00:17:22bluebrotheralready closed.
00:17:53amiconnlinuxstb_: Btw, how does mpegplayer handle video which are larger than the screen (or rather, larger than the mpeg-adjusted full screen size)?
00:18:52JdGordonand grid[4][2] is the same as pgrid[4*LCD_WIDTH + 2] <- where does the +2 come in? i thought it was just [L*W] ?
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00:19:19MikachuJdGordon: the [2] is the +2
00:19:27amiconnWill it crash, or are the decoded frames stored in a large, dynamically managed buffer?
00:19:36n1shachi: I said my svn dir is 60 megs 'cause it is 60 megs excluding all the built stuff. With about 10 builds, 5manuals and a couple of sims the whole shebang takes exactly 300megs
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00:21:00amiconnn1s: Small... my rockbox/ dir is larger than 1GB
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00:21:21n1smaybe nautilus is lying?
00:21:29Mikachutry du -hs
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00:21:45amiconnI think it largely depends on how many builds you are keeping
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00:22:01Mikachujust the source files should be around 120MB
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00:22:02*amiconn has 12 target builds and 12 sims
00:22:25n1sMikachu: ok, 468, now I wonder why nautilus reports something else...
00:22:37Mikachulost at sea maybe
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00:22:45n1smust be
00:23:24Mikachumaybe it's helpfully not counting .svn since they start with a dot
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00:25:08bluebrotherhmm, my old cvs tree has 1.8GiB. I should really sort that out ...
00:25:41n1sMikachu: yes, that's it, if I unhide them it counts the selected ones but if I go up a dir it wont count the ones below...
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00:30:22linuxstbamiconn: I think the only limit is the 2MB I give libmpeg2 for its internal mallocs. Nothing special is done to handle the padding to 16x16.
00:32:17linuxstb(and there are no static buffers for decoded frames)
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00:40:21directhexis there a preferred gcc version for building rockbox?
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00:45:34linuxstbdirecthex: Yes, see the CrossCompiler wiki page (or the tools/ script)
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00:49:40directhex4.0.3 then. this is gonna take a while
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01:18:17habanadan_a:Thanks for latest commit for sansa. im actually completely "junky" about Jewels game during subway and train :/
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01:48:36directhexis the ui simulator meant to be stable?
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02:23:09HiddenShadowI need some opinions on how to organize my music, should I create a Artist>Album>Song Directory structure or should I just use the ID3 Database on rockbox?
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02:25:22saratogadid anyone ever get a date from AMS when they could give us a spec sheet for the Sansa?
02:25:46saratoga"They are very interested to help us with our work and for them it is okay that we release our work based on their informations under the GPL."
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02:33:01Mr530Hi can somebody help me install rockbox on a 5.5g 30gb winpod with loader2.4d6?
02:34:36HiddenShadowWhat do you need help with?
02:37:02Mr530well i've tried two builds from other people and both of them either freeze at a "loading..." screen or says error: no .rockbox directory or instalation incomplet
02:37:13Mr530i mean is it possible to use loader 2.4d6?
02:38:30HiddenShadowdon't know =/
02:38:40Mr530ah ok
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04:17:23TrueJournalsHey, I'm having some trouble getting the script to work... anyone think they can help?
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04:50:08mm2002someone there?
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04:51:01mm2002i need help with my rockbox
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05:08:40webguest88Anyone: I'm trying to build a patched simulator for use in XP. I'm looking through threads on the UISim topic and have read the manual and corresponding wiki pages.
05:09:12webguest88I know how to patch and compile. I would just like to be able to use the sim without launching the VMWare\Debian environment.
05:09:23webguest88Can someone point me in the right direction?
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05:41:46HiddenShadowDoes it take 10 min+ to build a tag database for 1450 songs?
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07:23:32LloreanJdGordon: If I'm reading your theme-saving commit right, did you have it save the FMR for some reason? (Or did I misread?)
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07:28:04daurnimatorhi all
07:28:09daurnimatorwhats new today?
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07:32:33JdGordonLlorean: its possible i accidently told it to...
07:32:34JdGordonlemme check'
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07:33:22JdGordonyeah it does... ill remove that
07:33:40JdGordonLlorean: any other settings which are saved and shouldnt? or should be that arnt?
07:33:48LloreanJdGordon: Let me just go recheck
07:34:31LloreanJdGordon: Status bar on or off, whether the volume is graphical or numeric, whether battery is graphical or numeric.
07:34:58LloreanThough I don't know if anyone has ever used the last two in a theme, *I* consider them "theme" options.
07:35:13LloreanBut I'm not sure how many other people would
07:35:41JdGordonyour call...
07:35:49LloreanI guess leave them out for now
07:35:53LloreanJust do Statusbar On/Off
07:36:00JdGordonstatus bar should be there already
07:36:13LloreanOh, at the very top
07:36:27LloreanI thought I had all the yellow on-screen, but it was slightly off.
07:36:31LloreanSorry, yeah, it's there
07:36:34LloreanSo just remove FMR
07:38:32daurnimatorJdGordon: hows life?
07:39:45JdGordonlife sux :p
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07:42:43JdGhostwell... hell sux even worse.. so im back :D
07:42:57JdGhostand gaim irc should be sentenced to hell... damn its horrible
07:43:12*Llorean doesn't find it so bad.
07:43:20daurnimatoranything on this weekend?
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07:43:54JdGhostpossibly surfing on sundy, other than that nope
07:44:09daurnimatorshit all
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07:54:05daurnimatorwhere do you surf?
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07:55:41daurnimatoranyone know where to get a cheap phone?
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08:55:48dan_aAargh! I've managed to destroy the bootloader on my iPod, ipodpatcher refuses to write to it because it can't see an Apple firmware and the iPod updater dies when I try to run it!
08:56:09decayedcellboot it into disk mode - what ipod is it
08:56:44scorchedecayedcell: he knows...he is a dev...
08:56:44dan_aIt's a 4G - it will boot into disk mode, but I can't find a way to put a firmware on
08:56:53Lloreandan_a: Use the old ipodpatcher.
08:57:08decayedcelluse the USB Format tool to wipe it? then connect it to iTunes again?
08:57:11Lloreandan_a: It can write without caring that it doesn't recognize it as an ipod. You can then rewrite bootpartition.bin with it.
08:57:31dan_aLlorean: Thanks
08:57:47LloreanThat one ought to work for a 4g
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08:59:12linuxstbdan_a: How did you manage to destroy your bootloader?
08:59:19dan_ahahahaha! "File is too large for firmware partition, aborting"
08:59:52dan_alinuxstb: I'd put iPL and Loader2 on there for a test, and was taking them off
08:59:59linuxstbTry restoring your MBR as well.
09:00:16linuxstbDid you repartition the firmware partition?
09:00:57dan_aIt looks like I might have done (I just ran the program which does everything for you)
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09:01:42dan_aHow can I restore the MBR?
09:01:54linuxstbdd if=mbr.bin of=/dev/sda (in Cygwin)
09:02:04linuxstb(replacing /dev/sda with the device for your ipod)
09:02:21Lloreandan_a: We have several mbrs at the installation from OSX page.
09:02:37linuxstbIf you didn't keep your MBR, some are at
09:03:04*dan_a feels really stupid
09:04:21GodEaterdan_a: been there too - I feel stupid with you. :)
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09:05:52*GodEater is somewhat amazed to find his H140 is still working this morning
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09:10:06*linuxstb wonders if the targets listed on the front page should be split into categories - something like "released" (Archos), "mature" (Coldfire) and 'under development" (PortalPlayer).
09:10:23amiconnlinuxstb: /dev/sda is most probably the pc's internal hdd on cygwin....
09:10:50dan_aWow. I'm in a whole *world* of frustration this morning. I don't have SCSI support on my Gentoo box, it will no longer compile working kernel modules, and the minimal Cygwin install I've got doesn't have dd on it (yet)
09:11:09amiconnCygwin maps all hdds visible to windows onto /dev/sdX
09:11:27linuxstbDo you know how to identify the disk devices? Does cygwin have fdisk?
09:12:02amiconnThe letter depends on the device number in windows disk management
09:12:11decayedcellargh again... C compiler cannot create executables
09:12:17amiconnDevice 0 is sda, device 1 is sdb etc
09:12:24dan_aNo fdisk. I'm just doing an update so that it has some useful utilities
09:12:42GodEaterno scsi support ?
09:12:45GodEaterthat's impressive
09:12:53GodEaterI thought everything pretty much needed it these days
09:12:56GodEatereven libata
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09:13:21amiconndan_a: You don't need fdisk in cygwin, just dd. Then check in windows disk management for the device number
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09:14:24linuxstbI would be more confident of overwriting the MBR if I could double-check the disk device name with fdisk though.
09:14:29Bagdercarlosiva: file1 file2 file3
09:15:06GodEatercarlosiva: virus_infected_file1 virus_infected_file2
09:15:12carlosivahey bagder, i need plugins for my rockbox...
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09:15:57scorchehey carlosiva, they all come with the build...
09:17:10carlosivais for my ipod nano, i need the mpegplayer.rock plugin...
09:17:20Bagderhey carlosiva, they all come with the build...
09:17:28linuxstbRead the PluginMpegplayer wiki page.
09:17:36GodEatersmaller words
09:17:45GodEateroh wait - they're all single syllable alreay
09:17:57daurnimatorlinuxstb: got your av300?
09:18:03carlosivaplease, gime the urls please
09:18:20linuxstbdaurnimator: Yes, I got it about a week ago.
09:18:27daurnimatorhow is it?
09:18:35Lloreancarlosiva: We've told you, it comes with Rockbox.
09:18:46GodEaterI have a neat set of torx screwdrivers you can borrow now linuxstb ;)
09:18:50linuxstbdaurnimator: The size of a large brick...
09:18:51carlosivathanks, your a big friend...
09:19:06daurnimatorso... what you expected?
09:19:23GodEaterdidn't it come disguised as a waffle iron ?
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09:19:49linuxstbdaurnimator: Yes, I knew the size. Also, a horrible tiny joystick, but that's my only complaint (apart from the size).
09:19:58daurnimatori forget
09:20:02daurnimatorwhat did you want it for
09:20:38carlosivado you got an url for to download a rockbox plugins?
09:20:50carlosivai need the mpegplayer.rock
09:20:51GodEateroh someone please shoot him
09:20:57daurnimatorcarlosiva: We've told you, it comes with Rockbox.
09:21:01*Bagder shuts up
09:21:04linuxstbI want it for a large-capacity FLAC player - I can install a 160GB disk in it.
09:21:22markuncarlosiva: it's in .rockbox/viewers I think
09:21:31carlosivaplease gimme the url...
09:21:54linuxstbmedios seems to work well, so I don't think there will be any problems getting Rockbox running. Adding FLAC support (and supporting the LCD properly in Rockbox) will be the tricky parts.
09:22:15dan_acarlosiva: You have the file aready!
09:22:53linuxstbAlso read
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09:24:34carlosivaon this url, how to download the plugin, i dont see the link to download the plugin, buds
09:24:42robin0800can you fprmat using dd?
09:24:50decayedcellthe plugins are built into Rockbox carlosiva
09:24:52markuncarlosiva: download the plugin here:
09:24:58robin0800format imean't
09:24:59GodEaterrobin0800: not really
09:25:13Lloreancarlosiva: Are you just ignoring what people are telling you? Rockbox includes the plugin. If you have installed Rockbox, you already have it.
09:25:16GodEaternot with a filesystem anyway. You can write a lot of zeros....
09:25:19linuxstbcarlosiva: READ THE PAGE. The introduction tells you how to use the plugin.
09:25:22robin0800so what does it do
09:25:30decayedcellperhaps his english isn't that good...
09:25:41GodEaterrobin0800: run "man dd"
09:25:45linuxstbNot all plugins appear in the Browse Plugins menu - some are viewers.
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09:26:38carlosivai got the rockbox on my nano
09:26:55carlosivabut the mpegplayer not apears
09:26:57*GodEater wonders if irc:cgi supports /ignore
09:26:58linuxstbHave you copied a .mpg file onto your Nano?
09:27:15decayedcellit has to be in 320x240 resolution...
09:27:30linuxstbdecayedcell: For the Nano?
09:27:31carlosivammm, honestly, no...
09:27:35carlosivai never try
09:27:39dan_aLlorean, linuxstb, amiconn: Thank you! I've got Rockbox back on my 4G (and the latest kernel on COP patch works)
09:27:43hachido I need to have a direct connection to my ipod device to load the bootloader
09:27:52decayedcelllinuxstb erm smaller then
09:27:52*LinusN notices that it's business as usual in the channel
09:27:52linuxstbYou just select the .mpg file in the file browser, the same way as you play music.
09:28:02hachihi LinusN!
09:28:11GodEaterLinusN: sadly yes :)
09:28:18carlosivaok, i try this now bud...
09:28:25daurnimatorhi LinusN!
09:28:27GodEaterany joy with tracking down that issue with dircache ?
09:28:40carlosivahey friend you are really cool...
09:28:42LinusNGodEater: let me guess: stack overlow?
09:28:47LinusNoverflow even
09:29:04carlosivacan you chat with me on a msn messenger?
09:29:25carlosivaplease, give me your mail...
09:29:41daurnimatorcarlosiva: i think its time for you to leave
09:29:45carlosivai wanna be your friend
09:29:50decayedcelllets hope his mpg isn't larger than 176x132... I suppose it may freeze because theres no function to reject files which are larger than the target screen?
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09:30:54GodEaterLinusN: It's hard to say
09:31:04GodEaterthe screen goes black
09:31:20LinusNi got a stkov when i tried yesterday
09:31:40GodEaterI could try it again on my H140 now that I've got a working battery in it
09:31:43LinusNincreasing the dircache stack by 0x1000 solved my issue
09:31:44GodEaterif you think that would be useful
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09:32:17GodEaterheh - I do like his quit message...
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09:32:23linuxstbdan_a: Comparing COP patches #7 and #8, it seems that barry changed the while(1) loop in the main COP function to yield instead of sleep. That broke it.
09:32:25carlosivaare you there friend linuxstb?
09:32:56LinusNthe FAT patch makes the fat_dir struct larger, and the dircache code has such structs on the stack
09:33:10markunyes friend linuxstb, are you there?
09:33:30LinusNmarkun: don't mock him
09:33:38markunLinusN: ok, sorry
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09:34:07linuxstbcarlosiva: If you have more Rockbox questions, just ask here. The manual is also helpful.
09:34:37JdGordonthat wasnt very nice
09:34:55GodEaterLinusN: I'm curious as to why the problem with dircache doesn't exhibit on the first reboot after enabling it
09:35:04GodEaterwhen it builds the cache in the foreground
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09:35:06carlosivai download the pack at the url you send me, and dont got yet the mpegplayer...
09:35:18carlosivaplease, i need that plugin
09:35:18LinusNGodEater: not sure
09:35:27GodEaternor me - it's curious
09:36:04Lloreancarlosiva: Are you running Rockbox on your player?
09:36:22carlosivaon my ipod nano
09:36:49Lloreancarlosiva: If you are running the newest version of Rockbox, the plugin is already installed. It works automatically when you click on music. It does not show up in the list.
09:36:59amiconnGodEater: Not sure, maybe the foreground scan runs in the main thread?
09:37:10LinusNGodEater: now i know why: the first build is done in the main thread
09:37:19carlosivaand my rocks folder not apears the mpegplayer.rock
09:37:26LinusNah. amiconn beat me to it :-(
09:37:27amiconnLinusN: Haha, nice guess, eh?
09:37:27GodEaterassume I'm stupid ( ;) ) and tell me why that matters
09:37:47LinusNGodEater: the main stack is huge in comparison
09:38:03Bagdercarlosiva: you've been told about 7 times now. You're now only making us annoyed
09:38:12Lloreancarlosiva: It's not supposed to be in the rocks folder.
09:39:40carlosivaand i dont got any folder about mpegplayer
09:40:04Lloreancarlosiva: You're not supposed to have a folder about it.
09:40:14JdGordonits in .rockbox/viewers...
09:40:15LloreanWe've told you exactly what to do.
09:40:15linuxstbcarlosiva: Download this file - - then copy it to your Nano, and then select it in the file browser in the same way you would with an mp3.
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09:41:10carlosivai do that... and my rockbox dont open that file...
09:41:33linuxstbWhen did you install Rockbox?
09:41:56hachiis there a page that actually shows the files that belong on the ipod, rather than just saying 'extract the zip file' ?
09:42:21linuxstbhachi: Only the files in the zip file (plus the fonts) belong on your ipod.
09:43:02markuncarlosiva: you can try this file:
09:43:31hachithanks, but I'm trying to load my self compiled firmware onto it, so I'm trying to find the directory structure I'm out to produce
09:43:44linuxstbType "make zip"
09:44:04carlosivai do that on 3 times and nothing
09:44:05carlosivaalguien que hable espaol por favor amigos...
09:44:51Lloreancarlosiva: Do you have /.rockbox/viewers/mpegplayer.rock ?
09:45:25carlosivano, i dont got that file on my folders...
09:45:38carlosivayo got that file?
09:45:48carlosivayou got that file?
09:45:52Lloreancarlosiva: You need to update your Rockbox. Your version is old.
09:46:02carlosivaplease, send to me...
09:46:22GodEaterfor the second time....
09:46:23Lloreancarlosiva: You can't just get the file. You have to have a new enough version to use it.
09:46:29carlosivalet me check my ver and i tell you...
09:46:55LloreanWhy not just update?
09:47:24crashdhum, is the 'current' build dailies or svn ?
09:47:37crashdah, kickass
09:47:46Lloreancrashd: It wouldn't make much sense for an older build to be called "current"
09:47:53carlosivaok, look, my version is... cvs-060626
09:47:56crashdwell, a daily is pretty damned current
09:47:58crashdis all Llorean :p
09:47:59decayedcellcarlosiva that is very old
09:48:02Lloreancarlosiva: As I said, your version is too old.
09:48:07decayedcelldownload the new one here:
09:48:16Lloreancrashd: "Fairly current" is not the same as "Most current"
09:48:29decayedcellcrashd the dailies are built daily, whilst the SVN are built whenever SVN is updated :D
09:48:34crashdno, but i didnt know wether the build system had been changed so that the svn isnt built
09:48:38crashdI KNOW WHAT THEY ARE
09:48:42crashdbut the page links have changed in the last few days
09:48:44crashdand ive been out of town : )
09:48:59Lloreancrashd: Yeah, but you could've just clicked on "Current" and seen what page you were at. :-P
09:49:10*Bagder starts to explain to crashd about what svn is... :-P
09:49:17linuxstbWhat do people think of categorising the different targets on the front page? I think we should tell people that the Archos devices are considered "stable", and that the Coldfire ports are less unstable than the PortalPlayer ports.
09:49:17crashddon't even _
09:49:53*daurnimator watches as people wonder what coldfire is ;)
09:49:58LloreanjhMikeS: You could just have a "Debug Recording" screen from the debug menu that doesn't show most of the stuff the normal screen does, but does show the buffers.
09:50:23decayedcellwell you could separate it by player, but that might take up too much space in the future
09:50:36carlosivabut, this same version to the page is the version i got instaled...
09:50:49Lloreanlinuxstb: I think the list on the front page is getting a bit large. We could have a line that says "Rockbox runs on many targets by manufacturers such as (manufacturer list). The full list of players is HERE(link)" and then on that page split them up by 'status'
09:51:00decayedcellyes carlosiva, but that URL gets updated everyday
09:51:13decayedcellthere is a new everyday, so everyday your version gets old
09:51:17hachiawww, is there anything I need to do special to try out the ipod80gb patches?
09:51:46linuxstbLlorean: I think the info is important enough to be on the front page directly, but just with perhaps three headings for the different categories of support.
09:51:57LinusNhachi: yes, say a prayer and expect it to crash
09:52:25hachiLinusN: no crash, 4 lines from what I guess is the bootloader... and then it just sits there
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09:52:42decayedcellbut then people would have to know if their player was in one of the three categories, otherwise they would have to go through each one and find their player
09:52:44GodEaterhachi: that patch doesn't magically make it work
09:52:51LinusNhachi: that's about as far as you will get
09:52:53GodEaterhachi: it's the *start* of support for the 80GB
09:53:29hachiawww, I was under the impression that someone had it working, cause I saw a bug report about a crash in some browser or something... I thought
09:53:33hachioh well :)
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09:53:58LinusNhachi: that was when running the FAT32 fixes on a regular ipod
09:54:01Lloreanlinuxstb: It's just, how would you split it into categories effectively? I mean, the problem I have is visualizing it without the list seeming to take over a good bit more of the front page.
09:54:26decayedcellperhaps you could have a drop down menu
09:54:36LinusNLlorean, linuxstb: i think having the list on the front page might be a little too "in your face"
09:55:10hachiLinusN, GodEater: thanks for filling me in then, I'll be playing now.
09:55:15LinusN1) for some obscure reason, users don't expect such information right on the front page
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09:55:44LloreanLinusN: What I see is a a sentence saying "Rockbox now runs on devices by Archos, iAudio, Toshiba, Apple, and iRiver. The full list is HERE" and that list is split into the categories and such.
09:55:48LinusN2) and for another, more obscure reason, users don't expect such information to be accurate
09:56:04GodEatersad but true
09:56:14LinusNbeats me
09:56:21linuxstbLet's changes users' expectations then.
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09:56:25GodEaterdaurnimator: they come in here and ask for status reports all the time- haven't you noticed ?
09:56:42daurnimatorGodEater: i bet thats a small percentage
09:56:52GodEaterthey're the ones we notice though
09:56:55decayedcellwell I guess Llorean makes a fair point in saying that the menu on the left is getting a bit cluttered
09:56:56hachiI believe it's because in the free software community, users are taught to distrust all documentation
09:57:06Lloreandecayedcell: We're not talking about the menu on the left, at all.
09:57:17LinusNwe have a complete list on the front page, and people still come in here and ask if rockbox runs on the <insert unsupported archos target here>
09:57:20Lloreandecayedcell: I'm quite happy with the menu on the left.
09:57:29daurnimatornot enough people know what irc is
09:57:43decayedcellLlorean linuxstb is proposing a list on the front page?
09:57:56Lloreandecayedcell: The conversation is all there, you can read it.
09:58:05LinusNi think a list in Wiki is better
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09:58:15LinusNeasier to maintain
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09:58:17linuxstbSuch as TargetStatus?
09:58:32LinusNsounds good
09:58:43linuxstbI mean it exists...
09:58:47Lloreanlinuxstb: That page, with a little tweaking, could do the job, yeah
09:59:21LloreanSince it doesn't have the Release/Mature/Active split you suggested.
10:00:10linuxstbPlus it should state that if a device is not explicitly listed, then Rockbox won't work, and link to NewPort.
10:00:27LloreanIt also shouldn't use the word "easily" in reference to a potential target.
10:00:42LloreanSince some people might take that as either a planned target, or a "If I beg enough" target.
10:01:46OverandHey- a number of weeks ago I downloaded a custom build from I *think* it was hcs's site?
10:01:50Overandif i have the nick right
10:02:08OverandIt had NSF playback- does anyone know anything about that, and if it's going to get merged into the main svn?
10:02:19LloreanCVS Rockbox has had NSF for a little while now.
10:02:35LloreanHCS is working on SPC at the moment.
10:02:38Overandohh, neace
10:02:39linuxstbAnd so has SVN Rockbox.
10:02:58Overandwait, did I say 'neace?'
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10:03:04OverandNice *and* neat.
10:03:26LinusNwonderful word
10:03:57OverandSomeone else was talking about 'dual-core' builds, that sounded interesting, but also somewhat frightening.
10:04:12OverandI also saw some chat about scroll-acceleration, that's exciting too.
10:04:29Overand(race conditions in a music player make me nervous, heh)
10:04:41LinusNit doesn't take much to make you excited, i can tell :-)
10:04:51*Llorean is excited about Dual Core still.
10:04:54Overandworst race condition -
10:05:05LloreanThat reminds me, is there an outstanding issue blocking Kernel_on_Cop right now?
10:05:13Overandthere are some lovely links about the Therac-25 race condition bug
10:05:30LloreanOverand: Yes, but this is #Rockbox
10:06:25Overandheh, sorry
10:06:30LinusNOverand: luckily, the electron cannon is disabled in most rockbox targets
10:06:45LloreanLinusN: Well, I've got this patched build...
10:06:45OverandYes, and there's a hardware interlock
10:06:48GodEaterI *was* wondering what the link was ;)
10:07:05OverandGodEater: yes, sometimes i'm a little bad about staying on-topic
10:07:22LinusN"burn me up, scotty"
10:07:24LloreanIf someone can weaponize my MP3 players in a non-kinetic way... well, it'd actually probably be a very bad thing to happen.
10:07:28OverandToo many channels across too many networks.
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10:07:47OverandLlorean: there was an excellent 'will it blend' featuring an iPod, i think a 3G
10:07:59Overandwait, i thought you said 'vaporize'
10:08:40Overandi think the zune has potential- crank up the wifi transciever, ive y ourself a tiny itchy spot.. or not.
10:09:19*LinusN gets that evil smile again
10:10:37OverandI guess I could get a new nightly- it's been weeks
10:10:58Overandi guess i have to move my doom.wad to somewhere else
10:15:39*linuxstb_ points people to
10:16:38GodEaterI must have missed that feature in the wiki somewhere
10:17:52LloreanGodEater: We hid it in the debug menu. It's not ready for public trial quite yet.
10:18:50linuxstb_GodEater: You _really_ don't want to be next to me and my custom build on the tube...
10:19:09LinusNor PluginRockbomb
10:20:56linuxstb_dan_a: Did you use the latest SVN version of loader2 for your COP test? I gave IPL a patch about a month ago (which was committed) which hopefully fixed it.
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10:27:33GodEaterlinuxstb_: so that's your face I've seen on recent Tube CCTV footage next to a smoking rucksack then ? :)
10:28:04GodEaterlooks like the plugin could have done with some debugging before then...
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10:36:52decayedcellIs/when will kernel on cop be ready for SVN
10:41:35amiconnLinusN: Your latest fat patch still has the duplicated entries problem... :(
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10:42:18LinusNamiconn: even when you adjust the buffer to 1x4?
10:42:42amiconnI just applied the patch and rebuilt
10:43:06LinusNthe patch has 2x2 by default, methinks
10:43:38GodEateris this the same one I tested ? or a new version ?
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10:47:07GodEatercurious - I didn't see the duplicate file problem on my target
10:47:18GodEater(gigabeat in case you were wondering)
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10:54:32directhex|worki got my gigabeat
10:54:43amiconnLinusN: With #define FAT_NUMBUFFERS 4 and #define FAT_DIR_BUFSECTORS 1 it seems to work
10:54:59LinusNamiconn: figures
10:55:03amiconnAt least the dirs which showed duplicate entries before do work now
10:55:31amiconnI wonder why... this volume doesn't have single-sector clusters (which would always cause a problem)
10:55:55LinusNi think it's the eof detection
10:57:14LinusNhow many sectors per cluster in your filesystem?
10:59:18amiconnHmm, should be 4
10:59:35amiconnCan't easily check now
10:59:53LinusNi see
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11:07:28GodEaterdirecthex|work: so installed RB on it yet ?
11:08:25directhex|workGodEater, i'm in the office now, and i spent most of the time when i first got it fishing through my boxes o' crap for a spare 2-pin power cable
11:08:37directhex|worksince it was shipped with a merkin one instead of uk
11:08:40LinusNPaprica[Birthday: congratulations
11:09:11Paprica[Birthdaythank you :)
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11:09:41GodEatermerkin? I thought that was some bizarre fetish thing...
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11:10:22directhex|workanyway, since more people are awake: is the ui simulator generally stable? it seems to rather dislike simulating playback of mp3 files for me :/
11:10:43LloreanI'm gonna lock the 80gb thread now, so that random posts don't keep popping up, okay?
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11:15:13pixelmaLlorean: but we are using SVN now ;)
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11:16:04LloreanI don't know what you're talking about.
11:16:06*Llorean looks innocent.
11:16:20Bagderit seems e200tool now helped at least one e200 person in the manufacturing mode
11:16:58GodEaterLlorean: good idea
11:17:50LloreanGodEater: Well really, as far as I'm aware, the only posts that can be made now are irrelevant, "Is it done yet?", or "It's ready" and the last one will result in the deletion of the thread anyway.
11:17:54amiconndirecthex|work: Are you on a 64 bit system by chance?
11:17:54GodEaterI think you should tidy it up too - delete all those iPL posts
11:18:09LloreanGodEater: The whole thread will be deleted soon enough anyway.
11:18:23GodEaternot *that* soon I think
11:18:34directhex|workamiconn, all the cool kids are, i didn't want to be left out :(
11:18:34GodEaterbut you're in charge anyway :)
11:18:50LinusNGodEater: not when that lazy LinusN is working on it...
11:18:59Bagderwe should punish him
11:19:21GodEaterI didn't mean lazy :( I meant when that "too many things on his plate " LinusN is working on it
11:19:27LloreanGodEater: Well, the point is, why should I go through the hassle of deleting individual posts when they A) Don't get in the way of discussion (as it's stopped) and B) Will be erased wholesale at an unknown future point?
11:19:54GodEaterLlorean: like I said - you're in charge - completely your decision
11:20:04LloreanWell, I'm willing to admit there could be a valid reason to do so.
11:20:27amiconndirecthex|work: libmad isn't 64 bit clean
11:20:55LloreanBut really, at this point, since it's supposed to be a development-only thread, the only reason I haven't deleted it is that there may be a point where we need testers, and having it around allows people to find out it's being worked on by someone.
11:21:38directhex|workamiconn, as long as i didn't balls up when building or patching
11:24:42amiconnI tried to fix the 64 bit problems, but didn't succeed. I patched 1 or 2 places, but there are more
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11:25:02*amiconn wonders whether there are newer libmad sources than what we have in rockbox svn
11:25:55directhex|workwhich version is in rockbox svn?
11:26:06linuxstbThe README.rockbox file should say.
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11:42:54linuxstbamiconn: I _think_ the opie version of libmad has been fixed for 64-bit usage - and
11:45:47directhex|worki can always just not run the simulator with mp3 files, as long as it behaves on a real player
11:47:08linuxstbSure, but it would be nice to fix it.
11:48:35directhex|worki can't see any mention of vorbiscomments in the WPS documentation. do the %i tags only cover MP3?
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11:49:17linuxstb"id3" in Rockbox is used to refer to all kinds of metadata formats - Rockbox supports the native tagging format for all supported audio formats.
11:49:45markunperhaps a good time to start renaming that
11:50:37linuxstbI'm sure no-one would object if you did :)
11:51:32decayedcellah great arm-elf-ar not found
11:51:46*decayedcell gets frustrated at Kubuntu's need for everything to be in /usr/local/bin
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11:52:07linuxstbYou can't add directories to $PATH?
11:52:10directhex|workooh, i had a cunning idea for a patch
11:52:24decayedcelldoing $PATH is worse, it says C compiler cannot create executables
11:52:39linuxstbHow did you install the compiler?
11:52:41decayedcellhmm maybe i should try doing a symlink
11:52:46directhex|work$PATH worked for me, using the rockboxdev script into somewhere in $HOME
11:53:14decayedcelli used this to build binutils: ./configure −−target=arm-elf −−prefix=/usr/local/bin/arm-elf-gcc
11:53:31decayedcellconfig* then build
11:53:36linuxstbAnd the same prefix for gcc?
11:53:48decayedcellyeah but it gets stuck whilst compiling
11:54:01linuxstbDid you add /usr/local/bin/arm-elf-gcc/bin/ to your path/
11:54:20linuxstbYou should have used /usr/local/arm-elf-gcc/ (or just arm-elf) for the prefix.
11:54:49decayedcellexport PATH=/usr/local/bin/arm-elf-gcc/bin:$PATH should do it correct
11:55:13linuxstbYes - but you also needed to do that after you installed binutils, and before you installed gcc.
11:55:39decayedcellbut doing that gets me this: configure: error C compiler cannot create executables
11:55:41linuxstbAnd if you do "make install" as root, you need to make sure root's PATH has that as well.
11:56:34decayedcellthe thing I find puzzling is, if binutils isn't installed in /usr/local/bin, I get the C compiler error regardless
11:56:51decayedcellregardless of export PATH'ing...
11:56:58linuxstbSounds like your install has gone wrong - if I was you I would delete and try again. Using the script is easiest.
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12:02:21directhex|workis there a preferred route to 'fixing' other peoples' WPS themes? email them a patch & hope they don't get arsey?
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12:05:28GodEaterdirecthex|work: which one are you fixing ?
12:06:01bospaadjespeaking of fixing WPS themes
12:06:23bospaadjei found out that all of the WPS themes on the ipod nano wps gallery didnt work
12:06:29bospaadje(for me)
12:06:32directhex|workactually, i think there's something amiss here. my test track definitely has valid vorbiscomments, but i'm not seeing anything
12:06:54decayedcellbospaadje did you put them in the right place?
12:07:09bospaadjeturns out they did work if I put the "font: <path>" line above the "wps: <path>" line in the .cfg file
12:07:10Mikachubospaadje: many of them require experimental patches
12:07:29Mikachumaybe jdgordon broke theme loading :)
12:07:51decayedcellhmm what is fmr anyway
12:08:03linuxstbFM radio.
12:08:08bospaadjeoh, and also some are sloppy about changing the backdrop (if they don't use them, and don't turn them off, the previous one stays)
12:08:12linuxstb.fmr files contain tuner presets.
12:09:22GodEater<random rant>Gaah!! I hate Lotus Notes SOOO much </random rant>
12:11:30scorchei thought people stopped using lotus notes 10 years ago...
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12:12:18directhex|workscorche, still used in some businesses
12:12:20GodEaterI wish they had
12:12:26directhex|worki know the central bureaucracy run notes
12:12:41GodEaterA lot of banks still do too :(
12:13:18directhex|workthere seems to be something amiss with vorbiscomments in my simulator. they're not showing up on my sample track, and i get "database not ready" if i try & browse that
12:13:53directhex|worka restart, and now it simply shows the track as untagged (which is filthy, filthy lies)
12:18:03directhex|workGodEater, are you using a daily build on your gigabeat?
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12:20:44*Genre9mp3 wonders how many people bought a Gigabeat after the port was ready
12:20:47GodEateryesterday's I think :)
12:20:57LinusNgigabeat looks like a nice player
12:21:05GodEaterit is
12:21:18Genre9mp3I'll soon have a black F20 in hands! :)
12:21:21*LinusN searches his pockets for lots of $$$
12:21:38GodEaterLinusN: the beauty is you don't need $$$
12:21:43GodEaterthey're so cheap on ebay
12:21:50GodEaterI paid £75 for mine!
12:21:55Spugdoes the config.cfg file now work as a default config file which is loaded at bootup regardless of what settings it contains?
12:21:59LinusNGodEater: for real???
12:22:04markunso after all the hard work is done people are interested in the gigabeat..
12:22:14Genre9mp3GodEater: which model?
12:22:35LloreanLinusN: I saw them for US $130 on ebay a few days ago. For 40gb models.
12:22:35Genre9mp3$80 for F20 here :)
12:22:38GodEaterthe actual unit cost even less, £50 - £25 was shipping from the USA
12:22:54GodEaterLlorean: mine was 96 USD :)
12:22:58directhex|workGodEater, and vorbis tags work fine for you?
12:23:11GodEaterdirecthex|work: I've no idea - I don't own a a single .ogg
12:23:30Lloreandirecthex|work: They work fine on my FLACs. Or do with a two day old build
12:23:35markunLinusN: toffe from #gigabeat has a little Gigabeat museum now :)
12:23:41directhex|workcan you run a test using ?
12:23:57*GodEater downloads it
12:23:59markunLinusN: he's buying broken gigabeats all the time and combines them to make working ones
12:24:14directhex|workLlorean, i'm trying to determine if there's a problem with my build, what's in svn right now, or what. it could well be my build
12:24:15Genre9mp3GodEater: $110 with shipping from USA
12:24:40Spughas #5831 been fixed now that config.cfg is used instead of the disk sector?
12:24:48Lloreandirecthex|work: You could just download an SVN build and see if it works.
12:25:10Genre9mp3Unfortunately I won't have much time to enjoy it :/
12:25:28LloreanSpug: SVN uses config.cfg instead of the disk sector.
12:26:15GodEaterdirecthex|work: looks fine to me
12:26:42MikachuSpug: you'll have to ask the people with problems
12:27:01*Bagder added a q
12:39:35directhex|workdamn, forgot to save my changes to Sta.wps
12:49:38directhex|workright, i've tried building the simulator with daily source tarballs from today, wednesday, and friday 5th. none of them are showing tag info with my ogg. is this another simulator issue that's fine in real life?
12:50:58markundirecthex|work: do you have a player to test it on?
12:51:32GodEaterI'd test here - but don't have a 64bit machine to make it worth while
12:52:35directhex|workmarkun, not here, no. i can try it this evening maybe
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12:52:57directhex|workGodEater, reckon i should try it in a 32-bit vmware guest?
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12:53:16GodEatermight be an idea
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13:04:01safetydandirecthex|work, the metadata for that ogg you linked to shows up fine in a clean build of the h120 simulator from current SVN
13:04:26Bagderit is probably a 64bit issue
13:04:55safetydanah well
13:05:00safetydanjust popped in to mention that
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13:05:49directhex|workit appears to be either a 64-bit or compiler issue. it simulates fine in my vmware of ubuntu 6.06 32-bit
13:06:02directhex|worki shall try 6.06 64-bit
13:10:34amiconnIirc vorbiscomments work on my 64 bit debian box. Can't check right now though
13:10:50GodEaterwhy so interested in the sim anyway directhex|work ?
13:11:56directhex|workGodEater, it's a relatively convenient way to tinker, e.g. checking my filthy changes to others' WPS files work
13:12:29*GodEater wonders if will be allowing copies of vista to ship internationally anytime soon
13:13:08GodEaterwell I'm buggered if I'm going to be it from - it's double the price
13:15:34*linuxstb thinks GodEater has been watching too many Vista TV adverts
13:16:13GodEaterhaven't seen any actually
13:16:22directhex|workvista's a better windows than xp.
13:16:29GodEaterI played with RC1 for a while and quite liked it
13:16:47GodEaterand her indoors wants a windows PC again cos she doesn't like the linux one :(
13:17:03GodEater"Where's internet explorer?"
13:17:08directhex|workmy other half would prefer linux, if The Sims 2 ran on it
13:17:09GodEater"Where's Excel?"
13:17:21directhex|workshe's much happier with her ibook now it runs ubuntu instead of macos
13:17:37GodEateryou have an enlightened missus obviously
13:17:48GodEatermine's stuck in the dark ages and refuses to come out
13:17:59directhex|workshe also keeps slapping me when i sound excited over vista
13:18:27GodEaterthat's a bit strong
13:18:39directhex|workwell it's an ironic slap for ironic excitement
13:18:55directhex|workbut in all honesty, i like vista more than xp, and hope people will move to it
13:18:57GodEaterperhaps I should just buy a ready built machine with it on
13:19:11linuxstbThe only thing I know about vista is that it doesn't play well with ipodpatcher - running a command obviously isn't enough to tell Windows you want to run it...
13:19:12*GodEater goes to look at
13:19:29directhex|workif you don't upgrade motherboard often you can get a vista oem license
13:19:32GodEaterlinuxstb: true
13:19:48GodEaterbut it's only safety checking even more than ipodpatcher does on it's own
13:20:01GodEater"Are you really sure you want to nuke this hardware?"
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13:20:26GodEaterand once I've got it installed again I can tell people *exactly* which security setting to disable to get round that
13:20:28directhex|workokay, 64-bit build of the ui sim with an older gcc...
13:20:37GodEaterrather than the rather vague one I made in the forums a few months ago
13:20:49GodEateror was it weeks ?
13:21:15directhex|workit's 64-bit. seems to break tags.
13:21:41linuxstbGodEater: So is the error when ipodpatcher tries to access the hardware, or just when it is launched?
13:21:54linuxstbs/error/safety check for your own good/
13:21:54GodEaterI believe when it tries to access the hardware
13:22:16GodEaterthough as I say, I can't tell right now - since I don't have vista to hand
13:22:24GodEaterI'll go see if I can find someone else running it
13:22:26*directhex|work runs "cat /dev/zero > /dev/sda" as a normal user and expects it to work
13:22:28GodEatergimme a few minutes
13:22:42linuxstbThe −−scan only opens devices in readonly mode, so no harm can be done.
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13:25:02directhex|workargh. we have a printer with built in duplexer & stapler, why will nobody use the options they have? ¬_¬
13:25:25Lynx_Is there some wps tag that shows if replaygain is 'active'?
13:25:59GodEaterboth workstations on this floor with vista on them aren't authenticating against AD, and their owners are missing, so I can't try it out
13:26:33Lynx_sorry, found it in the manual
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13:28:16directhex|worki could boot the laptop, but i have a meeting in 2 minutes
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13:31:29GodEaterthe only problem I have with Dell is they *insist* you have some sort of office software on any pc you buy from them.
13:31:36GodEaterI don't want ANY!!!!
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13:55:36*GodEater suspects the latter.
13:58:07LinusNwell, if you can buy a flat for that money, i'd say you paid too much for the pc :-)
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14:01:39tokyoaheadhi all... I think I killed my Nano v.1 with installing rockbox... it worked fine for some minutes and then it showed a battery symbol, and now its dead... any way to test whats wrong? connecting to the usb cable does not change anything
14:02:24tokyoaheadah... fals alamr, it suddenly started working :-)
14:02:45*GodEater thinks perhaps LinusN doesn't understand about deposits and stamp duty and such ;)
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14:27:40LhademmorHi people. Quick newbiequestion: Is there any way to see if rockbox is actually working on the database after "initialize now" is selected?
14:28:00Mikachumaybe somewhere in the debug menu
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14:30:05LhademmorI've got a Ipod Nano and installed rockbox yesterday. The music is not found (although I can listen to it by selecting the Ipod_Control folder and the mumbo-jumbo-mp3's in there). I haven't got a clue of how to "convert" the iTunes stuff so that rockbox can identify it properly
14:30:34Spuguse the Database
14:30:47GodEateryeah - change File View to "Database"
14:31:09directhex|workdid someone still want something tested on vista?
14:31:24SpugLhademmor: section 4.2 in the manual
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14:32:01LhademmorSpug: Looked over it a couple of times already
14:32:37GodEaterAlso, after you've hit "initiliase now" go to Info->Debug->View database info
14:32:42GodEaterthat will show you it updating
14:33:49GodEaterThen it's General Settings->File View->Show Files->Database to actually make the browser use it's contents
14:33:54LhademmorOMG, it's working. I hadn't figured out how to switch to database. Thanks people :
14:34:42directhex|worki fixed the Sta theme to actually display album art. yay. but it uses 120x120 bitmaps and i already converted to 100x100. poo
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14:37:21GodEaterI'm pretty impressed with how fast the database initialises actually
14:37:31GodEaterI think mine just did ~6000 files in a minute
14:37:33linuxstbdirecthex|work: Do you have an ipod, and if so did you run ipodpatcher under Vista when you installed Rockbox?
14:37:52linuxstbGodEater: On the all-conquering Gigabeat?
14:37:53LhademmorHell, open source IS more effective :)
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14:39:05GodEaterlinuxstb: yep
14:39:16GodEaterI'll try it on my H140 now - that's got the same content
14:41:16LhademmorI have one more question, though: When I connect my nano to the manual battery-recharger-through-normal-socket-thingie (i.e. not the PC), it seems like Rockbox is repeatedly restarting itself again and again, with the "Do not disconnect" appearing every now and then
14:41:30directhex|worklinuxstb, i don't have an ipod, no i have a gigabeat as of this morning
14:41:53GodEaterLhademmor: hold menu when you insert the usb cable
14:42:59LhademmorGodEater: Done. Now at least it's not rebooting anymore - but I can't see any signs of whether or not it's actually recharging?
14:42:59GodEatersame content as gigabeat took 2 minutes 10 seconds
14:43:16*GodEater passes the baton to another iPod owner
14:44:07GodEaterLhademmor: i.e. I'm not familiar with how Rockbox tells you it's charging on the iPod I'm afraid
14:44:17GodEaterI'm fairly certain it is - I just don't know how you tell
14:44:33LhademmorOk. I guess I'll find out soon enough ;)
14:44:59LloreanLhademmor: Look at the battery icon in the upper left corner. Is there an icon next to it?
14:45:39GodEaterLlorean: does that assume he has the status bar turned on ?
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14:45:54LhademmorLlorean: Yes, between the battery and the small triangle there's a small icon - looks kinda like a light bulb
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14:53:55Genre9mp3markun: around?
14:55:09markunGenre9mp3: yes
14:55:33Bagder"Crossfade, my God. I'd take a shotgun blast to the face for this feature. It's as close as you can get to a DJ actually mixing all your music. I'm pretty sure Jesus Christ himself developed this feature."
14:55:54Bagderenthusiastic user... :-)
14:55:59LloreanLhademmor: That's the charging icon, though it's supposed to look somewhat like an electrical plug
14:56:33Spugon my H300 it looks like a plug when plugged into a wall charger, and a light bulb when charging through USB
14:56:37Spugso i think it's right
14:56:38Genre9mp3markun & others, what do you think switching to Nimbus-19 for iCatcher Gigabeat/iPod5G?
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14:56:58LhademmorLlorean: Hey, maybe you're right. It's all very small
14:57:04markunBagder: reading
14:57:21markunthe forum is a mess
14:57:43*Bagder nods
14:57:57markunGenre9mp3: do it, much nicer
14:57:58Genre9mp3Bagder: With what nick Jesus Christ logs in here?
14:58:18Genre9mp3markun: I think so, too
14:58:24directhex|workGenre9mp3, it looks a little better, but personally i'd focus more on fixing things like the aliasing on the theme itself
14:58:40Genre9mp3markun: And it's more consistent this way since other versions use Nimbus, too
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14:59:27SpugBagder: does rockbox on gigabeat take longer to start up than the OF?! :o
14:59:33Bagderit says so
14:59:39preglowrockbox startup is slow on gigabeat??
14:59:42Bagderit surprised me as well
14:59:43Genre9mp3directhex|work: You are right, hopefully I'll do something about it as well
14:59:54perldiverpreglow 2sec
15:00:10Bagderperldiver: and the OF?
15:00:18markunpreglow: not really slow, but the OF bootloader first loads some files into memory
15:00:18RedLegI have a couple of questions about RockBox on the 4G ipod.... is this the right place to ask?
15:00:22preglowapparently, slasheri is jesus christ
15:00:32perldiverBagder pretty much the same
15:00:34preglowi always knew he would be rebord as a finn
15:00:35linuxstbDoes the Gigabeat OF have a sleep mode?
15:00:38perldivera split second faster
15:00:41Spugthat's it
15:00:43Spugsleep mode
15:00:45perldiverlinuxstb it does
15:00:50markunpreglow: we should try what happens if we replace the files by empty ones (removing them doesn't work)
15:00:56markunlinuxstb: yes
15:00:59Spug"The long startup is because rockbox has no "suspend mode" like the original firmware." - from the thread
15:01:02linuxstbTime to start flashing your own bootloader then...
15:01:16linuxstbSend one to Flasheri.
15:01:18markunfirst the jtag connector
15:01:23directhex|workGenre9mp3, i'm not discounting the work that's gone into it or anything like that, either (e.g., just suggestin'
15:01:32GodEaterheheh - Flasheri :)
15:01:33Lloreanpreglow: Basically, it's slower in the context of "Rockbox boots up slower on Apple" as well.
15:01:35Bagderjesus also does flash ;-)
15:02:06perldiverbut some people experiencing 10 seconds and more loading times
15:02:18Genre9mp3directhex|work: the link doesn't work for me
15:02:24Lloreanperldiver: Are those people using ridiculously graphical WPSes?
15:02:25markunGenre9mp3: did you get around to draw hi-res versions of your WPS images yet?
15:02:28Spugthe iriver H300 OF spends 20 seconds booting up
15:02:30GodEaterI think it boots in about 6 seconds for me
15:02:42perldiverLlorean not at all
15:02:42*linuxstb points people at his wps-tar-bitmaps patch
15:02:54directhex|workGenre9mp3, remove the final bracket if your irc client is picking it up
15:03:02Genre9mp3markun: no, I hope I'll find some time and do it though
15:03:07Lloreanperldiver: And the *rockbox* part of the bootup takes 20 seconds?
15:03:12preglowlinuxstb: commit! :-)
15:03:13LloreanWith non-graphical WPSes?
15:03:18perldiverLlorean correct
15:03:22directhex|workSpug, yeah, the iriver takes silly time to boot with the standard firmware
15:03:30Lloreanperldiver: You verified that they were using simple WPSes?
15:03:52linuxstbIs it a big issue that I'm forcing the tar files to contain the bmp files in the same order as the .wps file?
15:03:52perldiverLlorean yes, there was no wps used
15:04:17Lloreanperldiver: I assume you mean the default WPS then, rather than "none", as you can't use None. They'd reset their settings?
15:04:18preglowlinuxstb: hmm, i'd rather it didn't have to be like that
15:04:23Bagderlinuxstb: not a big issue, but I bet it'll lead to questions/whining user
15:04:26preglowlinuxstb: it'll probably be a cause of "what did i do wrong" questions
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15:05:11perldiverLlorean yes, i meant the default wps, and yes everything was reset and even the drive was defragmented
15:05:14preglowlinuxstb: is that a hard fix anyway?
15:05:16perldiverit was an F10
15:05:26Lloreanperldiver: Maybe the 10gb drive is just slow?
15:05:38Lloreanperldiver: My bootup, after the Gigabeat loader is done, is ~4 seconds, or so.
15:05:44Genre9mp3directhex|work: I'm not sure what you want me to read from that page
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15:06:17markunme neither
15:06:38Lloreanpreglow, linuxstb: Could we simply provide a program that creates the .tar properly from the .wps?
15:06:41directhex|workGenre9mp3, it's a general "users who don't contribute demanding changes" thing.
15:06:57perldiverLlorean it was always around 2 seconds for me
15:07:07RedLegis this the right place to ask about 4G ipod issues?
15:07:15preglowLlorean: shouldn't be too hard, but i'd rather not have that dependency
15:07:18BagderRedLeg: shoot
15:07:29preglowit all depends how hard it'll be for rockbox to not take the files in order
15:07:32BagderRedLeg: if it is rockbox on the 4g you mean
15:07:51Genre9mp3directhex|work: I don't demand anything... :P
15:07:52RedLegOK, a couple..... first, should I be able to selectively boot back to the ipod firmware ?
15:08:00BagderRedLeg: yes
15:08:09Genre9mp3directhex|work: I just adapted the theme to Nimbus-19
15:08:27Genre9mp3directhex|work: wanted to know what people think about it
15:08:34directhex|workGenre9mp3, nope. but i demand an anti-aliased "play" icon and better rendering of the "123" icon!
15:09:03RedLegHmmmm... OK, shutdown, then restart and move the HOLD switch.... it _says_ it's loading the original firmware, but just loops between that rolo screen and the apple logo
15:09:27Genre9mp3directhex|work: hmmm... you got me confused there, but anyway
15:09:33markunGenre9mp3: well, I demand that as will in return for the Gigabeat port :)
15:09:44markunas well
15:09:59Genre9mp3markun: Well, how can I say, no now?
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15:10:05Genre9mp3you got me there
15:10:15RedLegBagder: and this is with the daily build....
15:10:29LloreanRedLeg: That's a problem of the bootloader, not the build.
15:10:58LloreanRedLeg: The fact that the original firmware doesn't load suggests that the something went slightly wrong during the install process.
15:10:59RedLegLlorean: I would have thought so, but I'm new to RB on the ipod....
15:11:00BagderI find it weird that you mention rolo in that sentense. Surely the bootloader doesn't mention rolo?
15:11:01markunGenre9mp3: lets hope you will have lots of free time to work on rockbox in the army..
15:11:36Genre9mp3markun: let's hope I'll do something good before this happens ;)
15:12:13Lloreanlinuxstb: Is the boot order 'appleos.ipod, then firmware partition'?
15:12:17RedLegLlorean: Makes sense.... but I got no errors or warnings. I have successfully restored the ipod firmware, and it works fine (or as well as it ever did). Then I reinstalled the bootloader and got the same results.
15:12:25linuxstbpreglow: Currently the WPS code parses the %x tags one by one to load the bitmaps. I don't want to search the tar file for the bmp files, so only check the current location.
15:12:45linuxstbLlorean: Yes. And I don't think we mention apple_os.ipod anywhere in the install instructions.
15:12:51Genre9mp3markun: except if they place me somewhere with a PC but I doubt that
15:12:58Bagderlinuxstb: why not load the tar and index the files, name => position, so that the loading from wps can get them in any order?
15:13:04Genre9mp3at least for the first months
15:13:06LloreanRedLeg: Try this. Before you do the -a step with ipodpatcher, do -rf apple_os.ipod, and copy the file you get from that to the disk of your iPod. Then finish the install as usual, and see if it boots Apple OS
15:13:06RedLegBagder: probably just an error on my part. I've been running RB on my archos for quite some time....
15:13:09linuxstbBagder: Load it where?
15:13:23Lloreanlinuxstb: I'm just curious if in the cases like this, Apple_OS.ipod is a viable alternative.
15:13:42Bagderlinuxstb: into a buffer, possibly the one already used for wps images
15:13:52RedLegOK.... give me a few....
15:14:12Bagderbut really, I should not speak up without checking the details more carefully. I'll stop
15:14:32linuxstbBagder: The issue is I don't want to have to find extra RAM from anywhere.
15:14:34preglowthat does sound like a viable solution, yes, but with the tons of files, quite some space will be wasted
15:14:54Bagderbut aren't the files loaded anyway?
15:15:00BagderI don't see what the waste is
15:15:10preglowBagder: the index table
15:15:14RedLegLlorean: where should the apple_os.ipod file live on the disk?
15:15:30linuxstbMaybe I just need to look into the WPS code in more depth. It's still mostly a mystery to me.
15:15:31Bagderthe index table would just be some 50 entries with pointers and offsets, that's 200 bytes or so
15:15:33LloreanRedLeg: Just in the root of the ipod.
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15:15:45LloreanRedLeg: Oh, you should've restored bootpartition.bin before extracting it.
15:15:56linuxstbBagder: What about the filenames?
15:16:05LloreanRedLeg: I didn't say that, but I was kinda assuming a restart of the install process. It has to be extracted from an iPod that's currently able to boot into Apple firmware
15:16:06Bagderlinuxstb: they're in the tar already
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15:16:25Bagdereach index entry points to that file name and an index to where the data begins
15:16:53Mikachuyou mean just load the whole tar into the wps bmp memory?
15:16:56linuxstbBut the tar is on disk... Or do you mean read the tar into RAM?
15:17:06BagderI mean read the tar into the image buffer
15:17:12RedLegLlorean: I figured that... so apple_os.ipod should be in the same dir as the rockbox.ipod?
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15:17:31LloreanRedLeg: Rockbox.ipod can actually be in /.rockbox. I don't believe apple_os.ipod can be.
15:17:36linuxstbBut the tar could be bigger than the image buffer - it contains 24-bit bitmaps (not 16-bit native format), plus the 512-byte tar headers, plus padding of each bitrmap to 512 bytes.
15:17:40LloreanI'm not sure about that one though
15:18:05Bagderlinuxstb: hm, right but then you could read the whole tar and convert it on load and then generate the index table
15:18:38BagderI just think the tar should be read as one chunk into ram, indexing it as it goes
15:19:03LloreanRedLeg: You can have X:\.rockbox\rockbox.ipod (if you want to keep your root free, but you have to remember to overwrite it with each update)
15:19:11Bagdernot perhaps in one chunk but in one go
15:21:50pixelmaLlorean: isn't there a problem with booting to appleOS on some 4th gen ipods and the new installation process?
15:22:06RedLegLlorean: OK, now when I try to boot into ipod, it says loading apple_op.ipod, Sum: 1259EF0B, loaded, and then resets to the applo logo
15:22:30linuxstbBagder: Yes, that's what I wanted to do originally. I'll dig into the WPS code more deeply and try it.
15:22:37Mikachuit would be nice if you could skip having the apple os in the firmware image, but still on the firmware partition
15:23:11linuxstbRedLeg: (sorry, I haven't been following your conversation until now). That's a known issue with the new installation method - you should follow the old install instructions on the 4G.
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15:23:58RedLeglinuxstb: OK.... I just went to the online manual... where are the "old method" instructions/
15:24:29linuxstbStart here -
15:25:01linuxstbUse one of the three links at the bottom of the page (depending on your operating system).
15:25:55RedLeglinuxstb: OK, I had started there, but didn't realize I needed to follow the old instructions.....
15:26:04RedLegThanks all.... be back in a few
15:26:19linuxstbThe IpodInstallationBeta page has a warning at the top.
15:27:35Lloreanlinuxstb: Would looking at a non-working Apple_OS.ipod help you any?
15:28:24linuxstbI've got all the files I need to test, I just haven't spent enough time analysing them yet. But it's the next Rockbox-related thing I want to do.
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15:29:32webguest20Is it possible to search rb sources online?
15:29:34linuxstbI just need to compare the output of the old ipod_fw process with the output of the new ipodpatcher process.
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15:30:50linuxstbwebguest20: You can browse them here - but I don't think you can search (apart from google).
15:31:19Bagderwebguest20: get a tarball and grep in it locally...
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15:38:40webguest20Bagder: yes, that will I do
15:38:57RedLegUm.... how long should it take the thing to boot at this point? I seem to be stuck at the apple logo.....
15:40:07linuxstbRedLeg: Did you restore your ipod before following the old install instructions?
15:40:23RedLeglinuxstb: yes
15:41:03RedLegI can't even seem to force it into disc mode at this point
15:41:25linuxstbYou can always force it into disk mode - hold MENU+SELECT to reboot, then SELECT+PLAY for disk mode.
15:42:03RedLeglinuxstb: OK, that's what I thought.... let me try it again
15:42:13linuxstbBut obviously the install went wrong. Are you using all the old components linked to from the old installation page? i.e. the old ipodpatcher, and the old bootloader?
15:42:25linuxstbYou can't mix-and-match old and new.
15:42:55linuxstbAnd check the Apple firmware is working OK before starting to install Rockbox.
15:43:12RedLegOK, got disk mode.... let me restore back to ipod OS and go through it again.
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15:45:36markunhi djm
15:45:43RedLeglinuxstb: OK, working ipod again... now lets follow the old instructions CAREFULLY......
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15:45:59djmlol, i think i just fixed my problem :)
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15:48:50djmno, only got half way there. can someone lend a hand?
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15:50:15Lloreandjm: We don't know if we can help you unless you ask a question we can see if we know how to answer.
15:52:18djmfair enough - i just installed rockbox on a h10 and i couldnt see any files, so i created a playlist, and every file on the player is in it - is there a way just to use it as directory structure? so i can choose a folder, then play the tracks in order, or do i have to create a playlist?
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15:53:10linuxstbRead section 4.2 of the manual - the Database feature.
15:53:29markunlinuxstb: you need it for the h10 as well?
15:53:49linuxstbI don't know...
15:54:07linuxstbMaybe just enabling "show all files" in the file browser will reveal your music.
15:54:08markundjm: where is your music stored? Maybe the folder is hidden?
15:54:34*linuxstb thinks Rockbox runs on too many targets nowadays
15:55:05LloreanMany H10s are MTP, and hide your music, I believe, though if I recall it's just a hidden folder.
15:55:07directhex|worklinuxstb, is there any way to track which ones are popular?
15:56:58djmyes, it is MTP and the dirs are hidden - i'll unhide them
15:57:17Bagderdjm: I think the OF will hide them again
15:57:23Bagderif you run that
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15:57:37Bagderjust fyi
15:57:40RedLegOK... back with another question about the bootloader
15:57:44Lloreandjm: You can set Rockbox to show All Files, rather than just Supported, and it'll see the hidden directory
15:57:59djmwhats OF?
15:58:04Bagderoriginal firmware
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15:58:36djmoh, i dont plan on going back - so it should be OK?
15:58:50markunyes, should be ok
15:59:14RedLegGiven that I followed the (linux version) of the old instructions, how to I toggle between apple_os and rockbox at boot?
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15:59:28LloreanRedLeg: Hold Menu
15:59:36RedLegOK thanks
16:00:20RedLegMUCH better.....
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16:05:14webguest39Greetings all: Is there any documentation for a lowly Windows guy on compiling the sim for W32?
16:05:46webguest39I have compiled and used the sim in vm/debian. I've also used rasher's pre-compiled Gigabeat sim
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16:06:21RedLegSO... now that I can toggle boots, I'm back to my second original question.....
16:06:21webguest39wanted to add patches and not have to launch vm/debian just to build/test wps's
16:08:09n1swebguest39: support for the win32 sim has been dropped about a year ago
16:08:27RedLegShould I be able to get RockBox to "see" the tunes installed to the ipod using the itdb2tc tool and procedures?
16:09:15markunwebguest39: but you can compile the SDL sim for windows
16:09:18LloreanRedLeg: Or you could just use the on-player database generation. Either method should work
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16:09:53markunwebguest39: did you read: ?
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16:10:53RedLegOK, the itdb2tc tool generates output, but I get a consistent "database is not ready" error.... I assume I should delete those files, and then generate them from within RockBox somehow?
16:11:09webguest39markun: yes, read that. I saw something about putting the sdl.dll in the windows dir, but didn't get the desired result
16:11:28markunwebguest39: you need cygwin
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16:11:50markunor you can also run linux in vmware and compile and run the sim there
16:11:56webguest39markun: is there something I have to do to compile the "SDL sim for windows." Coming from a linux newb pov
16:12:22SpugRedLeg: if the database isn't ready, have you tried rebooting rockbox?
16:12:37RedLegSpug: yeah, several times....
16:12:39markunwebguest39: new to windows or new to linux?
16:13:05webguest39i've used both the sim in vmware and rasher's gb sim. i just wanted to be able to build/test wps w/out lauching the whole vmware/debian env.
16:13:12RedLegSpug: How do I generate it from within RockBox?
16:13:43markunwebguest39: ok, so first install cygwin and then follow the normal sim build instructions
16:13:58SpugRedLeg: i've never used itdb2tc
16:14:07Spugjust the Database
16:14:45webguest39markun: you can't do it in the debian setup? there's no problem with getting rid of that setup and installing cygwin. just asking.
16:14:47linuxstbRedLeg: Section 4.2 of the manual describes the database.
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16:15:58n1swebguest39: sure you can but you said you didn't want to fire up the vm
16:16:30n1s(and the sim compiled in the vm will be a linux binary)
16:16:56webguest39oh ok, so cygwin is what i have to use in order for it to run in windows. got it.
16:17:40RedLeglinuxstb: Thanks.... initializing and then rebooting seems to have worked.
16:17:56webguest39then just go through the normal sim compile instructions and copy the sdl.dll to /windows like it says in the wiki?
16:18:14linuxstbRedLeg: Did the itdb2tc program generate files with "tagcache" in the name or "database" ?
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16:20:10RedLeglinuxstb: tagcache.... I'm guessing it's out of sync with the current rockbox version?
16:20:25n1sjust the name, should be database
16:21:46RedLegOK, I'm up and running... Thanks Everyone!
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16:33:14webguest39nls, markun: going thru the cygwin process. Just follow the process outlined in the wiki:patch, compile-gb/sim/sdl, copy sdl.dll to c:\windows
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16:36:44perl|worki wonder why noone mentions itunes agent there
16:37:54linuxstbBecause no-one has heard of it?
16:39:02linuxstbWill that work with ipods? i.e. sync to an ipod as if it was a generic device/
16:39:14perl|workcheck that page
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16:39:23perl|workits for "generic devices"
16:39:39linuxstbYes, but ipods are not generic devices... At least to itunes.
16:39:43perl|workseems like a nice solution for those who like to stay with itunes using rockbox
16:39:58linuxstbThat page just talks about syncing to non-ipods.
16:42:18perl|workdo you mean a rockboxed ipod?
16:42:31GodEateryes he does
16:42:51Mikachuitunes doesn't care that rockbox is installed, you don't have to use ita to sync to it
16:43:26GodEaterI believe ita "syncs" using a sane folder structure
16:43:35GodEaternot the garbled crap itunes defaults to
16:43:51perl|workGodEater correct
16:44:03GodEaterso what we're asking is here - will ita allow this with an iPod as well as other devices
16:44:18GodEateror will iTunes gobble up the iPod nativly and ita fail to see it as a "generic device"
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16:44:50GodEaterin which case the sync will still be in iTunes native crappy folder structure
16:44:57perl|work"Most mass storage devices should be supported. The only criteria for iTunes Agent to be able to synchronize your device is that it is mapped to a drive letter under "My Computer" in Windows."
16:45:16GodEaterso the answer I'm hearing is "I don't know - try it" correct ? ;)
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16:46:18perl|workGodEater, correct, im just assuming, since i saw that thread
16:46:39GodEaterI'll be sure and try it once LinusN finishes working his magic
16:47:07perl|workbut i dont see the reason why ita wont see it as a generic device
16:47:31linuxstbYou obviously haven't been around ipods and itunes long enough... Nothing makes sense.
16:48:02Mikachuyou could probably make windows use another mass storage driver for the ipod
16:48:28linuxstbGodEater: You can try it on your ipod, even without Rockbox running.
16:48:33Mikachui was able to access it with the same driver as some usb key my mom had lying around
16:48:52GodEaterI think what linuxstb is driving it is that unless ita provides it's own "sync" button, then syncing with iTunes will either make iTunes do it the normal way, and ita not see the sync event
16:49:11GodEateror they'll BOTH sync, in which case you'll end up with two copies on the device
16:49:24perl|worki have a 5g laying around, i should just try it
16:49:32GodEaterthat would be nice :)
16:49:42linuxstbNah, let's speculate some more.
16:50:02GodEaterok - I'll hand the floor over to you then linuxstb ;)
16:50:14*linuxstb goes back to work
16:50:20GodEatercop out
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16:51:38perl|workbut, again, what would be reason for ita not to see a rockboxed ipod as a generic device?
16:51:44perl|worksorry, i dont use ipods a lot
16:51:52Mikachui don't even use windows :)
16:51:58GodEaterwe're not saying it won't see it as a generic device
16:52:08GodEaterwe're saying iTunes will ALWAYS see it as an iPod
16:52:11BagderMikachu: what, you live in a cellar? ;-)
16:52:21Mikachuno, ground floor
16:52:22GodEateror perhaps a cave
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16:53:37perl|workGodEater, i believe i saw a while ago somebody mentioned ita as a tested solution for a rockboxed ipod
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16:53:46perl|workmaybe im hallucinating though
16:54:39perl|worki just never assumed itunes still sees it as an opod with OF
16:57:28linuxstbRockbox doesn't have a native USB mode, so the ipod is always running the OF when connected to a PC.
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16:58:47*GodEater is trying it too - and can't make ita see the ipod
16:59:29GodEateroh no - wait - I have
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17:01:45webguest39I was looking and may be getting confused with FS #5900/custom wps line, but is there a patch that adds the y-coord to the placement of images? Or will this patch work with images also?
17:01:46GodEaterwow - it actually works without iTunes hairbrainedness getting in the way!
17:01:55perl|workGodEater aha!
17:03:01Mikachuseems like a roundabout way of copying files
17:03:28linuxstbYep, I find cp quite adequate for that job.
17:04:05GodEaterwell I won't use it - but at least we can point people at it
17:05:03Bagdertouchscreen driver anyone? ;-)
17:05:06linuxstbBut I don't think many people have asked how to use itunes with Rockbox only. Most people just want a way to play music in both the Apple firmware and Rockbox, without using itunes.
17:05:48Bagder"the usual audio format support in addition to OGG Vorbis, FLAC, APE"
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17:05:58perl|worklinuxstb well some people have music libraries and playlists, all in itunes, i guess that might be a solution for them
17:06:12Mikachuhooray vendor lock-in
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17:06:26linuxstbperl|work: Yes, I know some people like itunes - but those aren't normally the kind of people that want to install Rockbox.
17:06:41linuxstb(obviously there are exceptions)
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17:07:00*GodEater is an exception
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17:08:23perl|worki dont like itunes or ipods in general, but sometimes i find myself launching it for "podcasts". i mean i can see people getting addicted to this bloatware easily
17:08:29linuxstbThat screenshot makes me long for Rockbox -
17:09:13Mikachuwhat the hell is Jet Effect? :)
17:09:22Bagdera whooooshing sound ?
17:09:34Bagderor jetlag?
17:09:39Genre9mp3Jet Lag Effect
17:09:39perl|worksome wild phaser or flanger
17:10:01preglowit's usually just slow-lfo flanger
17:10:18perl|workyeah id be suprised to see a phaser there
17:10:22Mikachui see how that's useful
17:10:36preglowi've actually got code for that which works on rockbox, heh
17:10:55preglowbut who the flaming hell anyone would want to apply that globally: no idea
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17:12:21perl|workso hows flanger is "useful" exactly, Mikachu? :P
17:12:29Mikachui was joking
17:12:32preglowit's useful if you're a dj
17:12:38preglowand like cliches
17:13:04perl|workshortcuts for high/mid/low cuts would be nice as well preglow
17:14:31perl|workwell, since they have a shortcut for a flanger...
17:15:28preglowpft, the sound settings menu is two presses away!
17:16:00perl|workwith a touchscreen device and a lot of "gestures" that might actually work. i already tried beat matching with 2 gigabeats
17:16:05perl|workit wasnt that bad :P
17:16:57preglowthe times i've tried to beatmatch with rockbox devices, i discovered i don't really know how to beatmatch
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17:17:16perl|workand you can use bookmarks and queuing points
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17:19:22perl|workactually, its not that far fetching of an idea, to make a good dj interface for rockbox
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17:23:03TravisHQuick question: When using SVN to revert back to the sourcecode of a previous time, you would use svn update -r DATE, right? If so how is DATE formatted?
17:23:24markunTravisH: svn revert
17:23:40markunah, wait..
17:24:43markunTravisH: sorry, you are right. I have no idea what the date format is
17:25:25linuxstbYYYYMMDD should work.
17:25:56pixelmaI checked out to a specific revision yesterday using "-r <revnumber>"
17:26:17linuxstbAh yes, revision number would be easier...
17:26:22Mikachui think it's -r '{ date }'
17:26:30Mikachu_with_ the brackets :)
17:28:51TravisHGot it! Thanks for your help. linuxstb: that was the one format i didnt try. haha
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17:34:24perl|workoh that touchscreen cowon battery has lasted 46 hours...
17:34:55perl|worki guess thats why it has the looks of a cassette walkman
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17:44:31webguest39one more question: is there a patch that uses the y-ccord for images? Is FS# 5900 just for text?
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17:46:24n1swebguest39: read the CustomWPS wiki page and all will be clear
17:47:20webguest39thanks, I must have missed that.
17:52:16webguest39nls: "y" coordinate in the unpatched wps lang (lack of better terminology) refers to how far right an image extends, correct? Not positioning up and down. Am I asking the wrong question?
17:53:49linuxstbImages can have both an x and y co-ordinate. x is the distance from the left, y is the distance from the top.
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18:01:32webguest39aww dang: I was thinking about the progress bar coords. Thanks all. I'll retreat to my cave now.
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18:38:07theripperI installed Rockbox with ipl Loader 2
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18:38:38theripperif I start rockbox it says no rockbox directory
18:38:46theripperwhat have I done wrong?
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18:39:09Lloreantheripper: Firstly, we don't support Loader2. Secondly, if it says no directory, you probably don't have the .rockbox folder in the root of your iPod
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18:39:54theripperI have the .rockbox folfer in the root
18:40:55LloreanOf the first Primary Fat32 partition?
18:41:42LloreanAnd it got there by you extracting a into the root of the device?
18:42:35theripperand the rockbox.ipod file
18:43:01LloreanAnd Rockbox shows the filetree properly when it boots?
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18:48:22LloreanAnyone around have any clue what Rockbox would do if presented with a filesystem it didn't recognize?
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18:53:38fleytin Hello, all.
18:54:40fleytin In rockbox now there is na runtime submenu under info menu. What do current time and top time mean?
18:56:54Soul-SlayerHow long it's been running as far as I know.. I'm not sure what causes a reset though
18:57:51Soul-SlayerCurrent time would be 'Since last reset', and Top time would be 'Longest consecutive amount of time'... However I have no idea what triggers the reset, nothing seems to on my H10
18:58:19fleytinSoul-Slayer: But there are two parameters displayed and that's a bit confusing. And these two parameters slightly differ.
18:58:44Soul-SlayerWhat does your screen display?
19:01:18norbusanthe run time can be reset by pressing one of the buttons, don't remeber which, I guess play.
19:02:13fleytinSoul-Slayer: it shows current time 14 hours 45 minutes and seconds are constantly changing and top time with almost the same values.
19:02:39norbusanThen the top time is equal to your current time...
19:02:52Soul-SlayerThat's what I mean - Current time is the time since the last resetting event... However I have no idea what event causes a reset
19:02:53fleytinon my x5 just press right twice to reset it.
19:04:47fleytinnorbusan: But I try to understand the reason for that 'top time' parameter. Why 'current time' is not enough? Perhaps my English just fails me. What 'top time' actually means?
19:05:07Soul-SlayerBasically, your current time is how long you've been running RockBox, and your top time is the longest you've run it for. If they are equal, then you have been running it for the longest it's ever run before, because your current time IS your top time. I imagine something makes that current time go back down to 00:00:00 and count up again, and your top time will remain the same, however I've never found anything that returns your current time to 00:00:
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19:06:07Soul-SlayerAll in all, it's nothing really useful, unless you use it to measure battery life or something, to see what the best amount of time you've managed to run RockBox for was (although that would only work if running out of battery reset the current time, and I've never waited long enough to find out if it does)
19:06:14norbusanThanks Soul-Slayer
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19:06:47fleytinSoul-Slayer: Thanks I see now.
19:07:16Soul-SlayerI'm glad :).
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19:34:26amiconnSoul-Slayer: Current time goes back to 0 whenever you charge the battery *in rockbox*. You can also reset it manually
19:34:41Soul-SlayerAha, thank you
19:34:44Mikachudoes it save a timestamp, or count time while it's on?
19:34:59amiconnIt counts the power-on time since last charge
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19:41:08rp-amiconn: where is the readout of the battery done?
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19:54:15hachihurrr, ipodlinux web stuff is down
19:55:05mattzzwhat format is "unsigned foreground" in lcd.h?
19:56:20mattzz(used for lcd_set_foreground)
19:57:38mattzznevermind - found it. rb->lcd_set_foreground( LCD_RGBPACK( r, g, b ) );
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20:01:34freshytjust a quick question i just got rockbox 2 days ago and im trying to make my own wps,how can i change the color of the font on my wps?
20:01:53Mikachuyou don't
20:03:14freshytim new at this sorry for the stupid question >.<
20:03:41hcsa theme can set the font for the whole GUI
20:05:06freshytso would it be like foreground: XXXXXX
20:07:36hcscoreground color: 404A49
20:07:46hcs*foreground color
20:07:54hcsI just copied that from Pixel
20:08:08Mikachuwouldn't it be pretty easy to implement setting colors from wps?
20:08:20hcssure, get to it
20:08:35hcsain't open source glorious?
20:08:43freshythaha k thank you
20:08:49freshytlet me try that
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20:22:33linihow do I make svn also include the new files when doing "svn diff"?
20:22:50linii tried svn help diff but did not see anything relevant there :(
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20:29:37linuxstblini: You need to add the files using "svn add"
20:30:23hcswow, until I remembered the logs, I was very impressed by the answer to the unseen question
20:30:35Mikachumaybe he just guessed
20:34:21*preglow decides to have another look at the resample clicking problem
20:34:33preglowany playback.c gurus here now? :/
20:35:13XavierGrway to go preglow! :D
20:35:26preglowbah, mp3 still doesn't work on amd64, i see
20:35:48linuxstbDid you see my opie links earlier today?
20:36:28linuxstb(regarding 64-bit libmad fixes)
20:36:58preglowand vorbis...
20:37:03preglowlinuxstb: nope, i didn't
20:37:14preglowi see that playing two oggs in a row also segfaults now
20:37:28linuxstb11:42:54 in the logs.
20:38:22preglowchecking out
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20:45:16preglowgood to see they included more in the last commit than the commit msg says
20:47:01zylcheI blame admins running with scissors.
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20:54:02preglowlinuxstb: this really isn't a very easy diff...
20:54:10preglowgod knows what they changed
20:56:18pixelmahmm... I found that MAX_FILENAME is defined as 20 - that is not sufficient for the "sazanami-mincho-regular-xx" fonts - what would be the preferred fix: shorten the font name or rise the filename limit?
20:56:37linuxstbpreglow: I know, I've been looking as well...
20:56:52linuxstbMaybe diff it against the latest official libmad?
20:58:47preglowpixelma: 20 is a bit small, if you ask me
20:58:51preglowso i think i'd say raise
20:59:12preglowi don't long for the days of cryptic short filenames
20:59:28linuxstbHmm, I can't see any differnces between the libmad from opie, and libmad-0.15.1b (the version we imported into Rockbox originally).
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21:01:13pixelmapreglow: thanks
21:01:36pixelmawhat would be a good number then?
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21:01:45preglowlinuxstb: me neither, no, nothing of consequence
21:01:50preglowpixelma: beats me :)
21:02:01preglowpixelma: not much more, i'd think, 32 or something, perhaps
21:02:33preglowor perhaps 40
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21:05:06jhMikeSpreglow: resample clicking on track boundaries? I stopped that by not resetting the resampler between tracks by using DSP_SWITCH_FREQUENCY in the codecs. If there's something else, I've never heard it.
21:05:18preglowjhMikeS: not on boundaries, clicking all the time
21:05:26preglowjhMikeS: it does so for some rates when upsampling
21:05:35jhMikeShmm...that one never came up for me
21:05:46preglowjhMikeS: well, try playing files that are 32khz
21:05:52preglowjhMikeS: or pitchingh sound below 100%
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21:06:13preglowjhMikeS: i'm fairly sure the clicks happen at frame boundaries, and i'm also fairly certain the glitches aren't thanks to the resampler itself
21:06:18jhMikeSI've done soundpitching below 100% with no difficulty
21:06:27preglowi can reproduce the clicking easily
21:06:37preglowother people also get it
21:06:50preglowespecially the spc codec, which always runs at 32khz, get it a lot
21:06:52jhMikeSWonder why I never ran into it...huh
21:07:04preglowjhMikeS: i hope you don't use it for recording...
21:07:08jhMikeSWell, I never used SPC
21:07:23jhMikeSno 32Khz in recording unless a port is capable
21:07:28jhMikeSnone are yet
21:07:33preglowwell, i hope you don't use that resampler for any recording :)
21:07:47preglowup or downsampling
21:07:54jhMikeSno but 32Khz would be nice for FM radio
21:08:21jhMikeSThere's no resampling in recording atm
21:09:43preglowgood, good
21:10:18jhMikeSI'm trying 72.5% down pitch (32/44.1) and 137.8% up pitch (44.1/32)
21:11:34preglowi never get it for downsampling, only upsampling
21:11:44jhMikeSsounds fine for me
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21:12:15jhMikeSI just wanted to try both ratios to make sure :)
21:12:19preglowright now it does here too
21:12:22preglowbut give it a wait
21:12:24preglowor just tweak more
21:12:46preglowok, i can't make it click now...
21:15:40preglowok, this is just plain weird, i haven't had a problem making it click for the last 20 times or so i've tried it over several months, but now? no...
21:16:17*jhMikeS is casting black magic spells >:]
21:16:38preglowyes, your madness is quite clearly contagious
21:16:50preglowah, no, it's clicking now
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21:17:21preglowfuck, if it's going to be THIS hard to reproduce it now, this'll be fun
21:17:54jhMikeSpreglow: I sympathize with the elusive bug thing
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21:18:29preglowi doubt this is as elusive as yours, heh
21:18:34preglowi just at debugging
21:18:37jhMikeSI'll try a straight up 32kHz file
21:18:43preglowhowever, i am good at emitting words
21:18:52preglowinsert "suck" somewhere
21:19:12preglowi got it all the time yesterday when trying out the spc codec
21:19:23preglowahaha, woah
21:19:26preglowit just shot white noise at me
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21:19:45jhMikeSIs is just the SPC codec that really bad or anything 32K?
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21:20:49preglowjhMikeS: anything upsampling
21:21:15preglowjhMikeS: i've got a feeling it's got to with the exact ratio, though, i doubt ratios like 2 or 4 would click
21:21:26preglowi think playback messes up a calculation somewhere
21:21:28jhMikeSAnything? many times running 22K and 11K recording and never got it.
21:21:54jhMikeSPlaying those back rather
21:22:16preglowtry testing with sines, btw
21:22:20pregloweasier to hear the glitch then
21:22:43preglowanytime i try to listen to the same codec twice: segfault
21:23:19preglowclicks like a bitch even at 50%
21:23:21jhMikeSsure but upsampling's gonna add mega harmonics anyway...downsampling generally sounds better
21:24:10preglowsure, but that can be fixed
21:24:18preglowit's just this particular resampler sucking badly
21:27:18jhMikeSThat's a crunchy 1kHz sine way I've got at 32K +0
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21:28:49preglowbut do you hear the clicking then?
21:28:57preglowthere's roughly one click per frame boundary
21:30:16jhMikeSWierd it refused to play the 32KHz file after it after played other stuff
21:30:28jhMikeSThe click is a bit sharp of 60HZ
21:31:03preglowit's codec dependant
21:31:11preglowdsp gets passed frames as often as the codec wants
21:31:47jhMikeSso it's frame boundary and not the resampler beating against the waveform?
21:31:56preglowi seriously doubt it
21:32:08preglowif it turns out to be a resampler bug after all, i'll have to stop coding
21:32:10preglowtoo stupid for code
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21:32:59jhMikeSWell 32000/1000 = 32 which with two pulses per cycle would be 64Hz if I get it right
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21:34:30pregloware we talking about the same glitches here?
21:34:39preglowanywho, i'm pretty sure that's a coincidence
21:34:52preglowa correctly working linear interpolator shouldn't be able to make noises like this
21:35:07preglowit is, after all, an interpolator, the output should be smoother than the input
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21:37:57jhMikeSWell, I see in my capture that some cycles go up too steeply in the negative portion
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21:38:33jhMikeSLooks like it's dropping a sample out periodically
21:39:49jhMikeSIn fact, if I pop one sample in right at that point the shape looks good again
21:40:26preglowthat's what makes me think this is a playback.c problem
21:40:46preglowthe interpolator just creates the number samples it's asked for, it can't skip any of them
21:41:51preglownow, there are always dsp_input_size() and dsp_output_size()
21:42:04preglowand they aren't 100% correct in svn, but after fixing them, the problem is still there
21:42:11preglowalso, i don't know if them being wrong should hurt much
21:44:40jhMikeSIt looks like it advances too much and then resets or something...dunno
21:46:54preglowyeah, i've no idea
21:47:03preglowthat's about as far as i came last time i debugged
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21:50:07lowlightcool...the sansa emulator seems to also work on the olympus m:robe bootloader
21:50:15lowlightup to a certain point anyway
21:50:33lowlightif only I know how to work the lcd :(
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22:19:52pixelmais someone with flyspray admin rights around?
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22:23:58preglowadmin admin, or just possibility close tasks, etc?
22:24:23pixelmabest would be an admin admin...
22:24:41preglownot too many of those
22:25:12Genre9mp3like we say carreta carreta?
22:25:32preglowjhMikeS: no further clues on what's wrong, then? :/
22:25:59pixelmayes I know. So maybe it's better to ping them directly (like Bagder) ;)
22:26:22jhMikeSpreglow: no...I don't have a full instant reflex picture of how it even works yet. I'll stare at it for awhile.
22:27:09hcsit's fairly simple
22:27:15jhMikeSThat's how I learn everything...just stare at it and go into a zen :)
22:27:18hcsthere's a little gnome who moves samples around
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22:27:31hcshe needs to be kept fed, so he eats one every now and then he's not getting fed enough
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22:29:15jhMikeSI'm just looking for that "one thing". Should check it with input completely under my control.
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22:29:37hcsa nice pcm wav?
22:30:39jhMikeSno codecs involved. I'll feed it a given number of samples and request a certain number out. maybe move the code into a plugin real quick
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22:33:56preglowcodec gnome? and here's me just being visited by the bloody sock gnome again
22:33:59preglowi wonder if they're related
22:34:09preglowit's clear they both enjoy stealing, at least
22:35:44jhMikeSlikes to steal one sample for itself every so often...skimming the merchandise
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22:46:15Bagderpixelma: ping received!
22:46:42funkygimme back my ping
22:46:54Genre9mp3Bagder: You are an admin admin?
22:47:02BagderI admin everything!
22:47:21*Bagder laughs his evil laugh
22:47:49Genre9mp3laugh laugh you mean ;)
22:48:18*Genre9mp3 stops now the nonsense nonsense
22:49:04pixelmaBagder: nice... I'd like to be able to close tasks in the tracker too in case
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22:49:48Bagder... and now you can!
22:50:06pixelmathanks! :)
22:50:52*Bagder reads another NDA from you know what
22:52:40HardDisk_WPquitting...good night
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22:57:54SoapI'm curious how you write an emmulator (Sansa) w/o full knowlegde of how to program the hardware.
22:58:18Bagdermost likely by ignoring/logging what is unknown
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22:58:55Soapahh, so my assumption that the emmulator was more complete than the port was wrong.
22:59:00hcsit is helpful when the code actually makes sense
22:59:33BagderSoap: yes, but it helps to understand what the OF does since it can display exactly what it does or tries to do
23:00:06SoapThat makes sense.
23:02:39preglowBagder: ahh, the beginnings of an exciting friday night
23:03:06preglowi hope you have copious amounts of whisky to wash it down with
23:03:26BagderI did have one before I took it on actually
23:03:43lowlightSoap: it's more like an arm emulator that then catches the appropriate register values based on what's known
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23:04:34Bagderwe also have the skyeye route still to try
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23:10:32funkyis there any way to exit from disk mode while the ipod is hooked up to the pc ?
23:11:52mattzz ;-)
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23:15:33Soapsweet - so you got the license figured out regarding the faster code?
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23:42:46funkyany way to exit from disk mode while the usb cable is connected ?
23:43:19dionoeawhich player ?
23:43:31funkyipod 5th gen
23:43:37dionoeanot that i know
23:44:16sneakumsfunky: 'eject /dev/sda' or whatever your ipod si showing up as
23:44:29sneakumsand assuming you're using linux
23:44:44TrueJournalsfunky: I believe that if you hold a certain button while plugging the cable in (menu?) it just charges instead of going to USB mode. So you could either eject the drive from your OS, or unplug then plug back in the USB cable
23:44:52funkyyes, Im using linux, but my distro doesnt automount the ipod
23:44:57TrueJournals(I didn't think about ejecting the drive while I started typing that...)
23:45:05funkyso, I can eject any device that hasnt been mounted before
23:45:13sneakumsfunky: it'll see be atttached by the scsi layer, however
23:45:21sneakumsso you need to "eject" to get out of disk mode
23:45:31funkyIM gonna try
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23:50:27funkysneakums: yeah, it works, but just with the original firmware
23:50:38funkyIm not able to do it play anything with rockbox
23:51:27funkyit exits from disk mode, but rockbox is not taken up again
23:52:22funkywell, now I can listen music at work while is charging, thanks
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23:52:33directhexmy box is rocked.
23:52:43funkyTrueJournals: now Im gonna try your method, that is the one I remembered
23:52:55funkyI slightly remembered
23:55:32DataGhostoh. my. god.
23:55:45DataGhostsome people are really stupid/blind/whatever
23:56:34DataGhostsomeone actually posted a link to the kernel I made, which is at my website, which clearly has my nickname in it, right after a post in which I pointed out (to someone else) that what he posted in that topic was already known. Also, I already posted that kernel in that topic with exactly the same link :/
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23:57:08funkyTrueJournals: doesnt work
23:57:33DataGhosthm it's locked now
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