| 00:00:38 | Zagor | (yess, logreader finishes beautifully) |
| 00:00:50 | Mikachu | 4GB elephants dream downloaded today/this month |
| 00:00:53 | mattzz | OK, I have an char array[x][y] and I have an char * parray. Now I want to let parray point to array[][]. This should be parray=array, right? |
| 00:01:23 | Mikachu | there's not really any difference between an array[] and an array[][] |
| 00:01:38 | Mikachu | you just don't have to write [i*width + j] |
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| 00:02:06 | mattzz | ok, that sounds logically |
| 00:02:27 | * | mattzz hasn't done programming for quite a while... |
| 00:04:10 | Mikachu | not sure exactly what you're doing, but be sure you're not giving someone else a pointer to a stack-allocated array and then exit your function while they still have the pointer |
| 00:04:40 | amiconn | Hmm, if an svn commit fails, does that stop everything (as in a rolled back database transaction)? |
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| 00:05:40 | amiconn | Looks like it does.... |
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| 00:07:37 | Zagor | amiconn: yes, that's part of the concept |
| 00:08:17 | mattzz | char grid[LCD_WIDTH][LCD_HEIGHT]; |
| 00:08:27 | mattzz | char *pgrid; |
| 00:08:36 | mattzz | pgrid = grid; |
| 00:08:44 | mattzz | warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type |
| 00:08:59 | mattzz | hrm |
| 00:09:03 | Mikachu | maybe &grid? |
| 00:09:08 | * | Mikachu is also rusty with pointer/array mixing |
| 00:09:55 | Zagor | you can't get rid of the warning without a cast. they *are* different types- |
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| 00:10:09 | mattzz | Can you help me with the cast? |
| 00:10:33 | amiconn | pgrid = (char*)grid; |
| 00:10:39 | Zagor | exactly |
| 00:10:51 | mattzz | Ah, Ok! |
| 00:12:14 | Mikachu | is &grid and grid the same thing? (both seem to work in a test program) |
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| 00:12:16 | mattzz | Last question: if I pass pgrid to a function, how does the function declaration look like? func(char *pgrid)? |
| 00:12:46 | Zagor | yup |
| 00:12:47 | Mikachu | ah, yes they are |
| 00:12:59 | Mikachu | i knew something was the same with arrays involving a deref, but i couldn't remember what it was :) |
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| 00:14:30 | dfk | lets say i'd like to watch some movies on ipod nano with rockbox installed on it which video format is required ? |
| 00:14:37 | Mikachu | and grid[4][2] is the same as pgrid[4*LCD_WIDTH + 2] |
| 00:14:40 | mattzz | Ok, and I have to use [i*width + j] and I am not able to use [][], right? |
| 00:14:53 | mattzz | (int the function) |
| 00:14:58 | mattzz | s/int/in/ |
| 00:15:04 | Mikachu | well, no, since the function doesn't know how "wide" the array is |
| 00:15:06 | bluebrother | anyone understands FS #6612? |
| 00:15:29 | Mikachu | that guy seems a bit weird :) |
| 00:15:44 | dfk | does anybody know ? |
| 00:15:59 | Mikachu | dfk: read the manual or the wiki page for mpegplayer |
| 00:16:01 | Zagor | it's a support question, not a feature request. close it. |
| 00:16:11 | dfk | ups sory |
| 00:16:32 | Mikachu | dfk: (mpeg 1 or 2 at the same or lower resolution as your lcd (176x132 or so?)) |
| 00:16:44 | dfk | ok thank you |
| 00:17:22 | bluebrother | already closed. |
| 00:17:53 | amiconn | linuxstb_: Btw, how does mpegplayer handle video which are larger than the screen (or rather, larger than the mpeg-adjusted full screen size)? |
| 00:18:52 | JdGordon | and grid[4][2] is the same as pgrid[4*LCD_WIDTH + 2] <- where does the +2 come in? i thought it was just [L*W] ? |
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| 00:19:19 | Mikachu | JdGordon: the [2] is the +2 |
| 00:19:27 | amiconn | Will it crash, or are the decoded frames stored in a large, dynamically managed buffer? |
| 00:19:36 | n1s | hachi: I said my svn dir is 60 megs 'cause it is 60 megs excluding all the built stuff. With about 10 builds, 5manuals and a couple of sims the whole shebang takes exactly 300megs |
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| 00:21:00 | amiconn | n1s: Small... my rockbox/ dir is larger than 1GB |
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| 00:21:21 | n1s | maybe nautilus is lying? |
| 00:21:26 | Mikachu | probably |
| 00:21:29 | Mikachu | try du -hs |
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| 00:21:45 | amiconn | I think it largely depends on how many builds you are keeping |
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| 00:22:01 | Mikachu | just the source files should be around 120MB |
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| 00:22:02 | * | amiconn has 12 target builds and 12 sims |
| 00:22:25 | n1s | Mikachu: ok, 468, now I wonder why nautilus reports something else... |
| 00:22:37 | Mikachu | lost at sea maybe |
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| 00:22:45 | n1s | must be |
| 00:23:24 | Mikachu | maybe it's helpfully not counting .svn since they start with a dot |
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| 00:25:08 | bluebrother | hmm, my old cvs tree has 1.8GiB. I should really sort that out ... |
| 00:25:41 | n1s | Mikachu: yes, that's it, if I unhide them it counts the selected ones but if I go up a dir it wont count the ones below... |
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| 00:30:22 | linuxstb | amiconn: I think the only limit is the 2MB I give libmpeg2 for its internal mallocs. Nothing special is done to handle the padding to 16x16. |
| 00:32:17 | linuxstb | (and there are no static buffers for decoded frames) |
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| 00:40:21 | directhex | is there a preferred gcc version for building rockbox? |
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| 00:45:34 | linuxstb | directhex: Yes, see the CrossCompiler wiki page (or the tools/rockboxdev.sh script) |
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| 00:49:40 | directhex | 4.0.3 then. this is gonna take a while |
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| 01:18:17 | habana | dan_a:Thanks for latest commit for sansa. im actually completely "junky" about Jewels game during subway and train :/ |
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| 02:23:09 | HiddenShadow | I need some opinions on how to organize my music, should I create a Artist>Album>Song Directory structure or should I just use the ID3 Database on rockbox? |
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| 02:25:22 | saratoga | did anyone ever get a date from AMS when they could give us a spec sheet for the Sansa? |
| 02:25:46 | saratoga | "They are very interested to help us with our work and for them it is okay that we release our work based on their informations under the GPL." |
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| 02:33:01 | Mr530 | Hi can somebody help me install rockbox on a 5.5g 30gb winpod with loader2.4d6? |
| 02:34:36 | HiddenShadow | What do you need help with? |
| 02:37:02 | Mr530 | well i've tried two builds from other people and both of them either freeze at a "loading..." screen or says error: no .rockbox directory or instalation incomplet |
| 02:37:13 | Mr530 | i mean is it possible to use loader 2.4d6? |
| 02:38:30 | HiddenShadow | don't know =/ |
| 02:38:40 | Mr530 | ah ok |
| 02:38:42 | Mr530 | thanks |
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| 02:40:09 | alpha | hello |
| 02:40:19 | HiddenShadow | hi |
| 02:40:59 | TrueJournals | hey |
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| 04:17:23 | TrueJournals | Hey, I'm having some trouble getting the rockboxdev.sh script to work... anyone think they can help? |
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| 05:08:40 | webguest88 | Anyone: I'm trying to build a patched simulator for use in XP. I'm looking through threads on the UISim topic and have read the manual and corresponding wiki pages. |
| 05:09:12 | webguest88 | I know how to patch and compile. I would just like to be able to use the sim without launching the VMWare\Debian environment. |
| 05:09:23 | webguest88 | Can someone point me in the right direction? |
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| 05:41:46 | HiddenShadow | Does it take 10 min+ to build a tag database for 1450 songs? |
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| 07:23:32 | Llorean | JdGordon: If I'm reading your theme-saving commit right, did you have it save the FMR for some reason? (Or did I misread?) |
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| 07:28:04 | daurnimator | hi all |
| 07:28:09 | daurnimator | whats new today? |
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| 07:32:33 | JdGordon | Llorean: its possible i accidently told it to... |
| 07:32:34 | JdGordon | lemme check' |
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| 07:33:22 | JdGordon | yeah it does... ill remove that |
| 07:33:40 | JdGordon | Llorean: any other settings which are saved and shouldnt? or should be that arnt? |
| 07:33:48 | Llorean | JdGordon: Let me just go recheck |
| 07:34:31 | Llorean | JdGordon: Status bar on or off, whether the volume is graphical or numeric, whether battery is graphical or numeric. |
| 07:34:58 | Llorean | Though I don't know if anyone has ever used the last two in a theme, *I* consider them "theme" options. |
| 07:35:13 | Llorean | But I'm not sure how many other people would |
| 07:35:41 | JdGordon | your call... |
| 07:35:49 | Llorean | I guess leave them out for now |
| 07:35:53 | Llorean | Just do Statusbar On/Off |
| 07:36:00 | JdGordon | status bar should be there already |
| 07:36:13 | Llorean | Oh, at the very top |
| 07:36:27 | Llorean | I thought I had all the yellow on-screen, but it was slightly off. |
| 07:36:31 | Llorean | Sorry, yeah, it's there |
| 07:36:34 | Llorean | So just remove FMR |
| 07:37:13 | JdGordon | done |
| 07:38:32 | daurnimator | JdGordon: hows life? |
| 07:39:45 | JdGordon | life sux :p |
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| 07:41:19 | daurnimator | o.o |
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| 07:42:43 | JdGhost | well... hell sux even worse.. so im back :D |
| 07:42:57 | JdGhost | and gaim irc should be sentenced to hell... damn its horrible |
| 07:43:12 | * | Llorean doesn't find it so bad. |
| 07:43:20 | daurnimator | anything on this weekend? |
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| 07:43:54 | JdGhost | possibly surfing on sundy, other than that nope |
| 07:43:55 | JdGhost | u? |
| 07:44:09 | daurnimator | shit all |
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| 08:55:48 | dan_a | Aargh! I've managed to destroy the bootloader on my iPod, ipodpatcher refuses to write to it because it can't see an Apple firmware and the iPod updater dies when I try to run it! |
| 08:56:09 | decayedcell | boot it into disk mode - what ipod is it |
| 08:56:44 | scorche | decayedcell: he knows...he is a dev... |
| 08:56:44 | dan_a | It's a 4G - it will boot into disk mode, but I can't find a way to put a firmware on |
| 08:56:53 | Llorean | dan_a: Use the old ipodpatcher. |
| 08:57:08 | decayedcell | use the USB Format tool to wipe it? then connect it to iTunes again? |
| 08:57:11 | Llorean | dan_a: It can write without caring that it doesn't recognize it as an ipod. You can then rewrite bootpartition.bin with it. |
| 08:57:31 | dan_a | Llorean: Thanks |
| 08:57:38 | Llorean | dan_a: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher-0.3.zip |
| 08:57:47 | Llorean | That one ought to work for a 4g |
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| 08:59:12 | linuxstb | dan_a: How did you manage to destroy your bootloader? |
| 08:59:19 | dan_a | hahahaha! "File is too large for firmware partition, aborting" |
| 08:59:52 | dan_a | linuxstb: I'd put iPL and Loader2 on there for a test, and was taking them off |
| 08:59:59 | linuxstb | Try restoring your MBR as well. |
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| 09:00:16 | linuxstb | Did you repartition the firmware partition? |
| 09:00:57 | dan_a | It looks like I might have done (I just ran the program which does everything for you) |
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| 09:01:42 | dan_a | How can I restore the MBR? |
| 09:01:54 | linuxstb | dd if=mbr.bin of=/dev/sda (in Cygwin) |
| 09:02:04 | linuxstb | (replacing /dev/sda with the device for your ipod) |
| 09:02:21 | Llorean | dan_a: We have several mbrs at the installation from OSX page. |
| 09:02:37 | linuxstb | If you didn't keep your MBR, some are at http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ |
| 09:03:04 | * | dan_a feels really stupid |
| 09:04:21 | GodEater | dan_a: been there too - I feel stupid with you. :) |
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| 09:05:52 | * | GodEater is somewhat amazed to find his H140 is still working this morning |
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| 09:10:06 | * | linuxstb wonders if the targets listed on the front page should be split into categories - something like "released" (Archos), "mature" (Coldfire) and 'under development" (PortalPlayer). |
| 09:10:23 | amiconn | linuxstb: /dev/sda is most probably the pc's internal hdd on cygwin.... |
| 09:10:50 | dan_a | Wow. I'm in a whole *world* of frustration this morning. I don't have SCSI support on my Gentoo box, it will no longer compile working kernel modules, and the minimal Cygwin install I've got doesn't have dd on it (yet) |
| 09:11:09 | amiconn | Cygwin maps all hdds visible to windows onto /dev/sdX |
| 09:11:27 | linuxstb | Do you know how to identify the disk devices? Does cygwin have fdisk? |
| 09:12:02 | amiconn | The letter depends on the device number in windows disk management |
| 09:12:11 | decayedcell | argh again... C compiler cannot create executables |
| 09:12:17 | amiconn | Device 0 is sda, device 1 is sdb etc |
| 09:12:24 | dan_a | No fdisk. I'm just doing an update so that it has some useful utilities |
| 09:12:42 | GodEater | no scsi support ? |
| 09:12:45 | GodEater | that's impressive |
| 09:12:53 | GodEater | I thought everything pretty much needed it these days |
| 09:12:56 | GodEater | even libata |
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| 09:13:21 | amiconn | dan_a: You don't need fdisk in cygwin, just dd. Then check in windows disk management for the device number |
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| 09:13:59 | carlosiva | !list |
| 09:14:24 | linuxstb | I would be more confident of overwriting the MBR if I could double-check the disk device name with fdisk though. |
| 09:14:29 | Bagder | carlosiva: file1 file2 file3 |
| 09:14:36 | GodEater | hehe |
| 09:15:06 | GodEater | carlosiva: virus_infected_file1 virus_infected_file2 |
| 09:15:12 | carlosiva | hey bagder, i need plugins for my rockbox... |
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| 09:15:57 | scorche | hey carlosiva, they all come with the build... |
| 09:17:10 | carlosiva | is for my ipod nano, i need the mpegplayer.rock plugin... |
| 09:17:20 | Bagder | hey carlosiva, they all come with the build... |
| 09:17:28 | linuxstb | Read the PluginMpegplayer wiki page. |
| 09:17:36 | GodEater | smaller words |
| 09:17:45 | GodEater | oh wait - they're all single syllable alreay |
| 09:17:57 | daurnimator | linuxstb: got your av300? |
| 09:18:03 | carlosiva | please, gime the urls please |
| 09:18:20 | linuxstb | daurnimator: Yes, I got it about a week ago. |
| 09:18:27 | daurnimator | how is it? |
| 09:18:35 | Llorean | carlosiva: We've told you, it comes with Rockbox. |
| 09:18:46 | GodEater | I have a neat set of torx screwdrivers you can borrow now linuxstb ;) |
| 09:18:50 | linuxstb | daurnimator: The size of a large brick... |
| 09:18:51 | carlosiva | thanks, your a big friend... |
| 09:19:06 | daurnimator | so... what you expected? |
| 09:19:23 | GodEater | didn't it come disguised as a waffle iron ? |
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| 09:19:49 | linuxstb | daurnimator: Yes, I knew the size. Also, a horrible tiny joystick, but that's my only complaint (apart from the size). |
| 09:19:58 | daurnimator | i forget |
| 09:20:02 | daurnimator | what did you want it for |
| 09:20:38 | carlosiva | do you got an url for to download a rockbox plugins? |
| 09:20:50 | carlosiva | i need the mpegplayer.rock |
| 09:20:51 | GodEater | oh someone please shoot him |
| 09:20:57 | daurnimator | carlosiva: We've told you, it comes with Rockbox. |
| 09:21:01 | * | Bagder shuts up |
| 09:21:04 | linuxstb | I want it for a large-capacity FLAC player - I can install a 160GB disk in it. |
| 09:21:22 | markun | carlosiva: it's in .rockbox/viewers I think |
| 09:21:31 | carlosiva | please gimme the url... |
| 09:21:54 | linuxstb | medios seems to work well, so I don't think there will be any problems getting Rockbox running. Adding FLAC support (and supporting the LCD properly in Rockbox) will be the tricky parts. |
| 09:22:15 | markun | carlosiva: http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodnano/rockbox.zip |
| 09:22:15 | dan_a | carlosiva: You have the file aready! |
| 09:22:53 | linuxstb | Also read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 09:23:05 | carlosiva | yess... |
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| 09:24:34 | carlosiva | on this url http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer, how to download the plugin, i dont see the link to download the plugin, buds |
| 09:24:42 | robin0800 | can you fprmat using dd? |
| 09:24:50 | decayedcell | the plugins are built into Rockbox carlosiva |
| 09:24:52 | markun | carlosiva: download the plugin here: http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodnano/rockbox.zip |
| 09:24:58 | robin0800 | format imean't |
| 09:24:59 | GodEater | robin0800: not really |
| 09:25:13 | Llorean | carlosiva: Are you just ignoring what people are telling you? Rockbox includes the plugin. If you have installed Rockbox, you already have it. |
| 09:25:16 | GodEater | not with a filesystem anyway. You can write a lot of zeros.... |
| 09:25:19 | linuxstb | carlosiva: READ THE PAGE. The introduction tells you how to use the plugin. |
| 09:25:22 | robin0800 | so what does it do |
| 09:25:30 | decayedcell | perhaps his english isn't that good... |
| 09:25:41 | GodEater | robin0800: run "man dd" |
| 09:25:45 | linuxstb | Not all plugins appear in the Browse Plugins menu - some are viewers. |
| 09:26:27 | carlosiva | ok... |
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| 09:26:38 | carlosiva | i got the rockbox on my nano |
| 09:26:55 | carlosiva | but the mpegplayer not apears |
| 09:26:57 | * | GodEater wonders if irc:cgi supports /ignore |
| 09:26:58 | linuxstb | Have you copied a .mpg file onto your Nano? |
| 09:27:15 | decayedcell | it has to be in 320x240 resolution... |
| 09:27:30 | linuxstb | decayedcell: For the Nano? |
| 09:27:31 | carlosiva | mmm, honestly, no... |
| 09:27:35 | carlosiva | i never try |
| 09:27:39 | dan_a | Llorean, linuxstb, amiconn: Thank you! I've got Rockbox back on my 4G (and the latest kernel on COP patch works) |
| 09:27:43 | hachi | do I need to have a direct connection to my ipod device to load the bootloader |
| 09:27:52 | decayedcell | linuxstb erm smaller then |
| 09:27:52 | * | LinusN notices that it's business as usual in the channel |
| 09:27:52 | linuxstb | You just select the .mpg file in the file browser, the same way as you play music. |
| 09:28:02 | hachi | hi LinusN! |
| 09:28:07 | LinusN | hi |
| 09:28:11 | GodEater | LinusN: sadly yes :) |
| 09:28:18 | carlosiva | ok, i try this now bud... |
| 09:28:25 | daurnimator | hi LinusN! |
| 09:28:27 | GodEater | any joy with tracking down that issue with dircache ? |
| 09:28:40 | carlosiva | hey friend you are really cool... |
| 09:28:42 | LinusN | GodEater: let me guess: stack overlow? |
| 09:28:47 | LinusN | overflow even |
| 09:29:04 | carlosiva | can you chat with me on a msn messenger? |
| 09:29:25 | carlosiva | please, give me your mail... |
| 09:29:41 | daurnimator | carlosiva: i think its time for you to leave |
| 09:29:45 | carlosiva | i wanna be your friend |
| 09:29:50 | decayedcell | lets hope his mpg isn't larger than 176x132... I suppose it may freeze because theres no function to reject files which are larger than the target screen? |
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| 09:30:54 | GodEater | LinusN: It's hard to say |
| 09:31:04 | GodEater | the screen goes black |
| 09:31:20 | LinusN | i got a stkov when i tried yesterday |
| 09:31:40 | GodEater | I could try it again on my H140 now that I've got a working battery in it |
| 09:31:43 | LinusN | increasing the dircache stack by 0x1000 solved my issue |
| 09:31:44 | GodEater | if you think that would be useful |
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| 09:32:17 | GodEater | heh - I do like his quit message... |
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| 09:32:23 | linuxstb | dan_a: Comparing COP patches #7 and #8, it seems that barry changed the while(1) loop in the main COP function to yield instead of sleep. That broke it. |
| 09:32:25 | carlosiva | are you there friend linuxstb? |
| 09:32:36 | markun | :) |
| 09:32:56 | LinusN | the FAT patch makes the fat_dir struct larger, and the dircache code has such structs on the stack |
| 09:33:10 | markun | yes friend linuxstb, are you there? |
| 09:33:30 | LinusN | markun: don't mock him |
| 09:33:38 | markun | LinusN: ok, sorry |
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| 09:34:05 | * | daurnimator slaps JdGordon around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:34:07 | linuxstb | carlosiva: If you have more Rockbox questions, just ask here. The manual is also helpful. |
| 09:34:37 | JdGordon | that wasnt very nice |
| 09:34:55 | GodEater | LinusN: I'm curious as to why the problem with dircache doesn't exhibit on the first reboot after enabling it |
| 09:35:04 | GodEater | when it builds the cache in the foreground |
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| 09:35:06 | carlosiva | i download the pack at the url you send me, and dont got yet the mpegplayer... |
| 09:35:18 | carlosiva | please, i need that plugin |
| 09:35:18 | LinusN | GodEater: not sure |
| 09:35:27 | GodEater | nor me - it's curious |
| 09:36:04 | Llorean | carlosiva: Are you running Rockbox on your player? |
| 09:36:22 | carlosiva | on my ipod nano |
| 09:36:49 | Llorean | carlosiva: If you are running the newest version of Rockbox, the plugin is already installed. It works automatically when you click on music. It does not show up in the list. |
| 09:36:59 | amiconn | GodEater: Not sure, maybe the foreground scan runs in the main thread? |
| 09:37:10 | LinusN | GodEater: now i know why: the first build is done in the main thread |
| 09:37:19 | carlosiva | and my rocks folder not apears the mpegplayer.rock |
| 09:37:26 | LinusN | ah. amiconn beat me to it :-( |
| 09:37:27 | amiconn | LinusN: Haha, nice guess, eh? |
| 09:37:27 | GodEater | assume I'm stupid ( ;) ) and tell me why that matters |
| 09:37:47 | LinusN | GodEater: the main stack is huge in comparison |
| 09:37:51 | GodEater | ahha |
| 09:38:03 | Bagder | carlosiva: you've been told about 7 times now. You're now only making us annoyed |
| 09:38:12 | Llorean | carlosiva: It's not supposed to be in the rocks folder. |
| 09:39:40 | carlosiva | and i dont got any folder about mpegplayer |
| 09:40:04 | Llorean | carlosiva: You're not supposed to have a folder about it. |
| 09:40:14 | JdGordon | its in .rockbox/viewers... |
| 09:40:15 | Llorean | We've told you exactly what to do. |
| 09:40:15 | linuxstb | carlosiva: Download this file - http://mikachu.rockbox.org/elephantsdream-q6-176x128-310kbps.mpg - then copy it to your Nano, and then select it in the file browser in the same way you would with an mp3. |
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| 09:41:10 | carlosiva | i do that... and my rockbox dont open that file... |
| 09:41:33 | linuxstb | When did you install Rockbox? |
| 09:41:56 | hachi | is there a page that actually shows the files that belong on the ipod, rather than just saying 'extract the zip file' ? |
| 09:42:21 | linuxstb | hachi: Only the files in the zip file (plus the fonts) belong on your ipod. |
| 09:43:02 | markun | carlosiva: you can try this file: http://mikachu.rockbox.org/elephantsdream-q6-176x128-310kbps.mpg |
| 09:43:31 | hachi | thanks, but I'm trying to load my self compiled firmware onto it, so I'm trying to find the directory structure I'm out to produce |
| 09:43:44 | linuxstb | Type "make zip" |
| 09:43:50 | hachi | oh |
| 09:44:04 | carlosiva | i do that on 3 times and nothing |
| 09:44:05 | carlosiva | alguien que hable español por favor amigos... |
| 09:44:51 | Llorean | carlosiva: Do you have /.rockbox/viewers/mpegplayer.rock ? |
| 09:45:25 | carlosiva | no, i dont got that file on my folders... |
| 09:45:38 | carlosiva | yo got that file? |
| 09:45:48 | carlosiva | you got that file? |
| 09:45:52 | Llorean | carlosiva: You need to update your Rockbox. Your version is old. |
| 09:46:02 | carlosiva | please, send to me... |
| 09:46:13 | markun | carlosiva: http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodnano/rockbox.zip |
| 09:46:22 | GodEater | for the second time.... |
| 09:46:23 | Llorean | carlosiva: You can't just get the file. You have to have a new enough version to use it. |
| 09:46:29 | carlosiva | let me check my ver and i tell you... |
| 09:46:55 | Llorean | Why not just update? |
| 09:47:24 | crashd | hum, is the 'current' build dailies or svn ? |
| 09:47:31 | LinusN | svn |
| 09:47:37 | crashd | ah, kickass |
| 09:47:46 | Llorean | crashd: It wouldn't make much sense for an older build to be called "current" |
| 09:47:53 | carlosiva | ok, look, my version is... cvs-060626 |
| 09:47:56 | crashd | well, a daily is pretty damned current |
| 09:47:58 | crashd | is all Llorean :p |
| 09:47:59 | decayedcell | carlosiva that is very old |
| 09:48:02 | Llorean | carlosiva: As I said, your version is too old. |
| 09:48:07 | decayedcell | download the new one here: http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodnano/rockbox.zip |
| 09:48:16 | Llorean | crashd: "Fairly current" is not the same as "Most current" |
| 09:48:29 | decayedcell | crashd the dailies are built daily, whilst the SVN are built whenever SVN is updated :D |
| 09:48:34 | crashd | no, but i didnt know wether the build system had been changed so that the svn isnt built |
| 09:48:38 | crashd | I KNOW WHAT THEY ARE |
| 09:48:42 | crashd | but the page links have changed in the last few days |
| 09:48:44 | crashd | and ive been out of town : ) |
| 09:48:59 | Llorean | crashd: Yeah, but you could've just clicked on "Current" and seen what page you were at. :-P |
| 09:49:10 | * | Bagder starts to explain to crashd about what svn is... :-P |
| 09:49:15 | crashd | heh |
| 09:49:17 | linuxstb | What do people think of categorising the different targets on the front page? I think we should tell people that the Archos devices are considered "stable", and that the Coldfire ports are less unstable than the PortalPlayer ports. |
| 09:49:17 | crashd | don't even Ĵ_Ĵ |
| 09:49:53 | * | daurnimator watches as people wonder what coldfire is ;) |
| 09:49:58 | Llorean | jhMikeS: You could just have a "Debug Recording" screen from the debug menu that doesn't show most of the stuff the normal screen does, but does show the buffers. |
| 09:50:07 | carlosiva | ok... |
| 09:50:23 | decayedcell | well you could separate it by player, but that might take up too much space in the future |
| 09:50:36 | carlosiva | but, this same version to the page is the version i got instaled... |
| 09:50:49 | Llorean | linuxstb: I think the list on the front page is getting a bit large. We could have a line that says "Rockbox runs on many targets by manufacturers such as (manufacturer list). The full list of players is HERE(link)" and then on that page split them up by 'status' |
| 09:51:00 | decayedcell | yes carlosiva, but that URL gets updated everyday |
| 09:51:13 | decayedcell | there is a new rockbox.zip everyday, so everyday your version gets old |
| 09:51:17 | hachi | awww, is there anything I need to do special to try out the ipod80gb patches? |
| 09:51:46 | linuxstb | Llorean: I think the info is important enough to be on the front page directly, but just with perhaps three headings for the different categories of support. |
| 09:51:57 | LinusN | hachi: yes, say a prayer and expect it to crash |
| 09:52:25 | hachi | LinusN: no crash, 4 lines from what I guess is the bootloader... and then it just sits there |
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| 09:52:42 | decayedcell | but then people would have to know if their player was in one of the three categories, otherwise they would have to go through each one and find their player |
| 09:52:44 | GodEater | hachi: that patch doesn't magically make it work |
| 09:52:51 | LinusN | hachi: that's about as far as you will get |
| 09:52:53 | GodEater | hachi: it's the *start* of support for the 80GB |
| 09:53:29 | hachi | awww, I was under the impression that someone had it working, cause I saw a bug report about a crash in some browser or something... I thought |
| 09:53:33 | hachi | oh well :) |
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| 09:53:58 | LinusN | hachi: that was when running the FAT32 fixes on a regular ipod |
| 09:54:01 | Llorean | linuxstb: It's just, how would you split it into categories effectively? I mean, the problem I have is visualizing it without the list seeming to take over a good bit more of the front page. |
| 09:54:07 | hachi | ahh |
| 09:54:26 | decayedcell | perhaps you could have a drop down menu |
| 09:54:36 | LinusN | Llorean, linuxstb: i think having the list on the front page might be a little too "in your face" |
| 09:55:10 | hachi | LinusN, GodEater: thanks for filling me in then, I'll be playing now. |
| 09:55:15 | LinusN | 1) for some obscure reason, users don't expect such information right on the front page |
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| 09:55:44 | Llorean | LinusN: What I see is a a sentence saying "Rockbox now runs on devices by Archos, iAudio, Toshiba, Apple, and iRiver. The full list is HERE" and that list is split into the categories and such. |
| 09:55:48 | LinusN | 2) and for another, more obscure reason, users don't expect such information to be accurate |
| 09:56:02 | GodEater | heh |
| 09:56:04 | GodEater | sad but true |
| 09:56:07 | daurnimator | o.o |
| 09:56:10 | daurnimator | howso? |
| 09:56:14 | LinusN | beats me |
| 09:56:21 | linuxstb | Let's changes users' expectations then. |
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| 09:56:25 | GodEater | daurnimator: they come in here and ask for status reports all the time- haven't you noticed ? |
| 09:56:27 | linuxstb | s/changes/change/ |
| 09:56:42 | daurnimator | GodEater: i bet thats a small percentage |
| 09:56:52 | GodEater | they're the ones we notice though |
| 09:56:55 | decayedcell | well I guess Llorean makes a fair point in saying that the menu on the left is getting a bit cluttered |
| 09:56:56 | hachi | I believe it's because in the free software community, users are taught to distrust all documentation |
| 09:57:06 | Llorean | decayedcell: We're not talking about the menu on the left, at all. |
| 09:57:17 | LinusN | we have a complete list on the front page, and people still come in here and ask if rockbox runs on the <insert unsupported archos target here> |
| 09:57:20 | Llorean | decayedcell: I'm quite happy with the menu on the left. |
| 09:57:23 | daurnimator | cause |
| 09:57:29 | daurnimator | not enough people know what irc is |
| 09:57:30 | daurnimator | ;) |
| 09:57:43 | decayedcell | Llorean linuxstb is proposing a list on the front page? |
| 09:57:56 | Llorean | decayedcell: The conversation is all there, you can read it. |
| 09:58:05 | LinusN | i think a list in Wiki is better |
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| 09:58:15 | LinusN | easier to maintain |
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| 09:58:17 | linuxstb | Such as TargetStatus? |
| 09:58:32 | LinusN | sounds good |
| 09:58:43 | linuxstb | I mean it exists... |
| 09:58:47 | Llorean | linuxstb: That page, with a little tweaking, could do the job, yeah |
| 09:59:21 | Llorean | Since it doesn't have the Release/Mature/Active split you suggested. |
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| 10:00:10 | linuxstb | Plus it should state that if a device is not explicitly listed, then Rockbox won't work, and link to NewPort. |
| 10:00:27 | Llorean | It also shouldn't use the word "easily" in reference to a potential target. |
| 10:00:42 | Llorean | Since some people might take that as either a planned target, or a "If I beg enough" target. |
| 10:01:46 | Overand | Hey- a number of weeks ago I downloaded a custom build from I *think* it was hcs's site? |
| 10:01:50 | Overand | if i have the nick right |
| 10:02:08 | Overand | It had NSF playback- does anyone know anything about that, and if it's going to get merged into the main svn? |
| 10:02:19 | Llorean | CVS Rockbox has had NSF for a little while now. |
| 10:02:35 | Llorean | HCS is working on SPC at the moment. |
| 10:02:38 | Overand | ohh, neace |
| 10:02:39 | linuxstb | And so has SVN Rockbox. |
| 10:02:50 | Llorean | Bah |
| 10:02:51 | Overand | heh |
| 10:02:58 | Overand | wait, did I say 'neace?' |
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| 10:03:04 | Overand | Nice *and* neat. |
| 10:03:26 | LinusN | wonderful word |
| 10:03:57 | Overand | Someone else was talking about 'dual-core' builds, that sounded interesting, but also somewhat frightening. |
| 10:04:12 | Overand | I also saw some chat about scroll-acceleration, that's exciting too. |
| 10:04:29 | Overand | (race conditions in a music player make me nervous, heh) |
| 10:04:41 | LinusN | it doesn't take much to make you excited, i can tell :-) |
| 10:04:51 | * | Llorean is excited about Dual Core still. |
| 10:04:54 | Overand | worst race condition - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25 |
| 10:05:05 | Llorean | That reminds me, is there an outstanding issue blocking Kernel_on_Cop right now? |
| 10:05:13 | Overand | there are some lovely links about the Therac-25 race condition bug |
| 10:05:30 | Llorean | Overand: Yes, but this is #Rockbox |
| 10:06:25 | Overand | heh, sorry |
| 10:06:30 | LinusN | Overand: luckily, the electron cannon is disabled in most rockbox targets |
| 10:06:45 | Llorean | LinusN: Well, I've got this patched build... |
| 10:06:45 | Overand | Yes, and there's a hardware interlock |
| 10:06:48 | GodEater | I *was* wondering what the link was ;) |
| 10:06:48 | Overand | haha |
| 10:07:05 | Overand | GodEater: yes, sometimes i'm a little bad about staying on-topic |
| 10:07:22 | LinusN | "burn me up, scotty" |
| 10:07:24 | Llorean | If someone can weaponize my MP3 players in a non-kinetic way... well, it'd actually probably be a very bad thing to happen. |
| 10:07:28 | Overand | Too many channels across too many networks. |
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| 10:07:47 | Overand | Llorean: there was an excellent 'will it blend' featuring an iPod, i think a 3G |
| 10:07:59 | Overand | wait, i thought you said 'vaporize' |
| 10:08:01 | Overand | nevermind |
| 10:08:40 | Overand | i think the zune has potential- crank up the wifi transciever, ive y ourself a tiny itchy spot.. or not. |
| 10:09:19 | * | LinusN gets that evil smile again |
| 10:10:37 | Overand | I guess I could get a new nightly- it's been weeks |
| 10:10:58 | Overand | i guess i have to move my doom.wad to somewhere else |
| 10:15:39 | * | linuxstb_ points people to http://www.dapreview.net/news.php?item.3841.5 |
| 10:16:38 | GodEater | I must have missed that feature in the wiki somewhere |
| 10:17:52 | Llorean | GodEater: We hid it in the debug menu. It's not ready for public trial quite yet. |
| 10:18:45 | LinusN | PluginTerrorox |
| 10:18:50 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: You _really_ don't want to be next to me and my custom build on the tube... |
| 10:19:09 | LinusN | or PluginRockbomb |
| 10:20:56 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: Did you use the latest SVN version of loader2 for your COP test? I gave IPL a patch about a month ago (which was committed) which hopefully fixed it. |
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| 10:27:33 | GodEater | linuxstb_: so that's your face I've seen on recent Tube CCTV footage next to a smoking rucksack then ? :) |
| 10:28:04 | GodEater | looks like the plugin could have done with some debugging before then... |
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| 10:36:52 | decayedcell | Is/when will kernel on cop be ready for SVN |
| 10:41:35 | amiconn | LinusN: Your latest fat patch still has the duplicated entries problem... :( |
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| 10:42:18 | LinusN | amiconn: even when you adjust the buffer to 1x4? |
| 10:42:42 | amiconn | I just applied the patch and rebuilt |
| 10:43:06 | LinusN | the patch has 2x2 by default, methinks |
| 10:43:38 | GodEater | is this the same one I tested ? or a new version ? |
| 10:45:03 | LinusN | same |
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| 10:47:07 | GodEater | curious - I didn't see the duplicate file problem on my target |
| 10:47:18 | GodEater | (gigabeat in case you were wondering) |
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| 10:54:32 | directhex|work | i got my gigabeat |
| 10:54:43 | amiconn | LinusN: With #define FAT_NUMBUFFERS 4 and #define FAT_DIR_BUFSECTORS 1 it seems to work |
| 10:54:59 | LinusN | amiconn: figures |
| 10:55:03 | amiconn | At least the dirs which showed duplicate entries before do work now |
| 10:55:31 | amiconn | I wonder why... this volume doesn't have single-sector clusters (which would always cause a problem) |
| 10:55:55 | LinusN | i think it's the eof detection |
| 10:57:14 | LinusN | how many sectors per cluster in your filesystem? |
| 10:59:18 | amiconn | Hmm, should be 4 |
| 10:59:35 | amiconn | Can't easily check now |
| 10:59:53 | LinusN | i see |
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| 11:05:16 | amiconn | 122MB requires 2KB/cluster with fat16 |
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| 11:07:28 | GodEater | directhex|work: so installed RB on it yet ? |
| 11:08:25 | directhex|work | GodEater, i'm in the office now, and i spent most of the time when i first got it fishing through my boxes o' crap for a spare 2-pin power cable |
| 11:08:37 | directhex|work | since it was shipped with a merkin one instead of uk |
| 11:08:40 | LinusN | Paprica[Birthday: congratulations |
| 11:09:11 | Paprica[Birthday | thank you :) |
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| 11:09:41 | GodEater | merkin? I thought that was some bizarre fetish thing... |
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| 11:10:22 | directhex|work | anyway, since more people are awake: is the ui simulator generally stable? it seems to rather dislike simulating playback of mp3 files for me :/ |
| 11:10:43 | Llorean | I'm gonna lock the 80gb thread now, so that random posts don't keep popping up, okay? |
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| 11:15:13 | pixelma | Llorean: but we are using SVN now ;) |
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| 11:16:04 | Llorean | I don't know what you're talking about. |
| 11:16:06 | * | Llorean looks innocent. |
| 11:16:11 | pixelma | hehe |
| 11:16:20 | Bagder | it seems e200tool now helped at least one e200 person in the manufacturing mode |
| 11:16:58 | GodEater | Llorean: good idea |
| 11:17:50 | Llorean | GodEater: Well really, as far as I'm aware, the only posts that can be made now are irrelevant, "Is it done yet?", or "It's ready" and the last one will result in the deletion of the thread anyway. |
| 11:17:54 | amiconn | directhex|work: Are you on a 64 bit system by chance? |
| 11:17:54 | GodEater | I think you should tidy it up too - delete all those iPL posts |
| 11:18:09 | Llorean | GodEater: The whole thread will be deleted soon enough anyway. |
| 11:18:23 | GodEater | not *that* soon I think |
| 11:18:34 | directhex|work | amiconn, all the cool kids are, i didn't want to be left out :( |
| 11:18:34 | GodEater | but you're in charge anyway :) |
| 11:18:50 | LinusN | GodEater: not when that lazy LinusN is working on it... |
| 11:18:59 | Bagder | we should punish him |
| 11:19:04 | LinusN | yup |
| 11:19:21 | GodEater | I didn't mean lazy :( I meant when that "too many things on his plate " LinusN is working on it |
| 11:19:26 | LinusN | :-) |
| 11:19:27 | Llorean | GodEater: Well, the point is, why should I go through the hassle of deleting individual posts when they A) Don't get in the way of discussion (as it's stopped) and B) Will be erased wholesale at an unknown future point? |
| 11:19:54 | GodEater | Llorean: like I said - you're in charge - completely your decision |
| 11:20:04 | Llorean | Well, I'm willing to admit there could be a valid reason to do so. |
| 11:20:27 | amiconn | directhex|work: libmad isn't 64 bit clean |
| 11:20:55 | Llorean | But really, at this point, since it's supposed to be a development-only thread, the only reason I haven't deleted it is that there may be a point where we need testers, and having it around allows people to find out it's being worked on by someone. |
| 11:21:38 | directhex|work | amiconn, as long as i didn't balls up when building or patching |
| 11:24:42 | amiconn | I tried to fix the 64 bit problems, but didn't succeed. I patched 1 or 2 places, but there are more |
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| 11:25:02 | * | amiconn wonders whether there are newer libmad sources than what we have in rockbox svn |
| 11:25:55 | directhex|work | which version is in rockbox svn? |
| 11:26:06 | linuxstb | The README.rockbox file should say. |
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| 11:42:54 | linuxstb | amiconn: I _think_ the opie version of libmad has been fixed for 64-bit usage - http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/opie/core/multimedia/opieplayer/libmad/ and http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/opie-devel/26/2659.html |
| 11:45:47 | directhex|work | i can always just not run the simulator with mp3 files, as long as it behaves on a real player |
| 11:47:08 | linuxstb | Sure, but it would be nice to fix it. |
| 11:48:35 | directhex|work | i can't see any mention of vorbiscomments in the WPS documentation. do the %i tags only cover MP3? |
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| 11:49:17 | linuxstb | "id3" in Rockbox is used to refer to all kinds of metadata formats - Rockbox supports the native tagging format for all supported audio formats. |
| 11:49:45 | markun | perhaps a good time to start renaming that |
| 11:50:37 | linuxstb | I'm sure no-one would object if you did :) |
| 11:51:32 | decayedcell | ah great arm-elf-ar not found |
| 11:51:46 | * | decayedcell gets frustrated at Kubuntu's need for everything to be in /usr/local/bin |
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| 11:52:07 | linuxstb | You can't add directories to $PATH? |
| 11:52:10 | directhex|work | ooh, i had a cunning idea for a patch |
| 11:52:24 | decayedcell | doing $PATH is worse, it says C compiler cannot create executables |
| 11:52:39 | linuxstb | How did you install the compiler? |
| 11:52:41 | decayedcell | hmm maybe i should try doing a symlink |
| 11:52:46 | directhex|work | $PATH worked for me, using the rockboxdev script into somewhere in $HOME |
| 11:53:14 | decayedcell | i used this to build binutils: ./configure −−target=arm-elf −−prefix=/usr/local/bin/arm-elf-gcc |
| 11:53:31 | decayedcell | config* then build |
| 11:53:36 | linuxstb | And the same prefix for gcc? |
| 11:53:48 | decayedcell | yeah but it gets stuck whilst compiling |
| 11:54:01 | linuxstb | Did you add /usr/local/bin/arm-elf-gcc/bin/ to your path/ |
| 11:54:02 | linuxstb | ? |
| 11:54:20 | linuxstb | You should have used /usr/local/arm-elf-gcc/ (or just arm-elf) for the prefix. |
| 11:54:49 | decayedcell | export PATH=/usr/local/bin/arm-elf-gcc/bin:$PATH should do it correct |
| 11:55:13 | linuxstb | Yes - but you also needed to do that after you installed binutils, and before you installed gcc. |
| 11:55:39 | decayedcell | but doing that gets me this: configure: error C compiler cannot create executables |
| 11:55:41 | linuxstb | And if you do "make install" as root, you need to make sure root's PATH has that as well. |
| 11:56:34 | decayedcell | the thing I find puzzling is, if binutils isn't installed in /usr/local/bin, I get the C compiler error regardless |
| 11:56:51 | decayedcell | regardless of export PATH'ing... |
| 11:56:58 | linuxstb | Sounds like your install has gone wrong - if I was you I would delete and try again. Using the rockboxdev.sh script is easiest. |
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| 12:02:21 | directhex|work | is there a preferred route to 'fixing' other peoples' WPS themes? email them a patch & hope they don't get arsey? |
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| 12:05:28 | GodEater | directhex|work: which one are you fixing ? |
| 12:05:45 | directhex|work | Sta |
| 12:06:01 | bospaadje | speaking of fixing WPS themes |
| 12:06:23 | bospaadje | i found out that all of the WPS themes on the ipod nano wps gallery didnt work |
| 12:06:29 | bospaadje | (for me) |
| 12:06:32 | directhex|work | actually, i think there's something amiss here. my test track definitely has valid vorbiscomments, but i'm not seeing anything |
| 12:06:54 | decayedcell | bospaadje did you put them in the right place? |
| 12:07:09 | bospaadje | turns out they did work if I put the "font: <path>" line above the "wps: <path>" line in the .cfg file |
| 12:07:10 | Mikachu | bospaadje: many of them require experimental patches |
| 12:07:16 | Mikachu | oh |
| 12:07:29 | Mikachu | maybe jdgordon broke theme loading :) |
| 12:07:36 | bospaadje | heh |
| 12:07:51 | decayedcell | hmm what is fmr anyway |
| 12:08:03 | linuxstb | FM radio. |
| 12:08:08 | bospaadje | oh, and also some are sloppy about changing the backdrop (if they don't use them, and don't turn them off, the previous one stays) |
| 12:08:12 | linuxstb | .fmr files contain tuner presets. |
| 12:09:22 | GodEater | <random rant>Gaah!! I hate Lotus Notes SOOO much </random rant> |
| 12:11:30 | scorche | i thought people stopped using lotus notes 10 years ago... |
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| 12:12:18 | directhex|work | scorche, still used in some businesses |
| 12:12:20 | GodEater | I wish they had |
| 12:12:26 | directhex|work | i know the central bureaucracy run notes |
| 12:12:41 | GodEater | A lot of banks still do too :( |
| 12:13:18 | directhex|work | there seems to be something amiss with vorbiscomments in my simulator. they're not showing up on my sample track, and i get "database not ready" if i try & browse that |
| 12:13:53 | directhex|work | a restart, and now it simply shows the track as untagged (which is filthy, filthy lies) |
| 12:18:03 | directhex|work | GodEater, are you using a daily build on your gigabeat? |
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| 12:20:41 | GodEater | yep |
| 12:20:44 | * | Genre9mp3 wonders how many people bought a Gigabeat after the port was ready |
| 12:20:47 | GodEater | yesterday's I think :) |
| 12:20:57 | LinusN | gigabeat looks like a nice player |
| 12:21:05 | GodEater | it is |
| 12:21:18 | Genre9mp3 | I'll soon have a black F20 in hands! :) |
| 12:21:21 | * | LinusN searches his pockets for lots of $$$ |
| 12:21:38 | GodEater | LinusN: the beauty is you don't need $$$ |
| 12:21:43 | GodEater | they're so cheap on ebay |
| 12:21:47 | Genre9mp3 | indeed |
| 12:21:50 | GodEater | I paid £75 for mine! |
| 12:21:55 | Spug | does the config.cfg file now work as a default config file which is loaded at bootup regardless of what settings it contains? |
| 12:21:59 | LinusN | GodEater: for real??? |
| 12:22:03 | GodEater | yep |
| 12:22:04 | markun | so after all the hard work is done people are interested in the gigabeat.. |
| 12:22:05 | markun | :) |
| 12:22:14 | Genre9mp3 | GodEater: which model? |
| 12:22:19 | GodEater | F40 |
| 12:22:35 | Llorean | LinusN: I saw them for US $130 on ebay a few days ago. For 40gb models. |
| 12:22:35 | Genre9mp3 | $80 for F20 here :) |
| 12:22:38 | GodEater | the actual unit cost even less, £50 - £25 was shipping from the USA |
| 12:22:54 | GodEater | Llorean: mine was 96 USD :) |
| 12:22:58 | directhex|work | GodEater, and vorbis tags work fine for you? |
| 12:23:11 | GodEater | directhex|work: I've no idea - I don't own a a single .ogg |
| 12:23:30 | Llorean | directhex|work: They work fine on my FLACs. Or do with a two day old build |
| 12:23:35 | markun | LinusN: toffe from #gigabeat has a little Gigabeat museum now :) |
| 12:23:41 | directhex|work | can you run a test using http://www.vorbis.com/music/Epoq-Lepidoptera.ogg ? |
| 12:23:57 | * | GodEater downloads it |
| 12:23:59 | markun | LinusN: he's buying broken gigabeats all the time and combines them to make working ones |
| 12:24:10 | LinusN | hehe |
| 12:24:14 | directhex|work | Llorean, i'm trying to determine if there's a problem with my build, what's in svn right now, or what. it could well be my build |
| 12:24:15 | Genre9mp3 | GodEater: $110 with shipping from USA |
| 12:24:40 | Spug | has #5831 been fixed now that config.cfg is used instead of the disk sector? |
| 12:24:48 | Llorean | directhex|work: You could just download an SVN build and see if it works. |
| 12:25:10 | Genre9mp3 | Unfortunately I won't have much time to enjoy it :/ |
| 12:25:28 | Llorean | Spug: SVN uses config.cfg instead of the disk sector. |
| 12:26:15 | GodEater | directhex|work: looks fine to me |
| 12:26:42 | Mikachu | Spug: you'll have to ask the people with problems |
| 12:26:55 | Spug | okay |
| 12:27:01 | * | Bagder added a q |
| 12:39:35 | directhex|work | damn, forgot to save my changes to Sta.wps |
| 12:49:38 | directhex|work | right, i've tried building the simulator with daily source tarballs from today, wednesday, and friday 5th. none of them are showing tag info with my ogg. is this another simulator issue that's fine in real life? |
| 12:50:58 | markun | directhex|work: do you have a player to test it on? |
| 12:51:32 | GodEater | I'd test here - but don't have a 64bit machine to make it worth while |
| 12:52:35 | directhex|work | markun, not here, no. i can try it this evening maybe |
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| 12:52:57 | directhex|work | GodEater, reckon i should try it in a 32-bit vmware guest? |
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| 12:53:16 | GodEater | might be an idea |
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| 13:04:01 | safetydan | directhex|work, the metadata for that ogg you linked to shows up fine in a clean build of the h120 simulator from current SVN |
| 13:04:26 | Bagder | it is probably a 64bit issue |
| 13:04:55 | safetydan | ah well |
| 13:05:00 | safetydan | just popped in to mention that |
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| 13:05:48 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:05:49 | directhex|work | it appears to be either a 64-bit or compiler issue. it simulates fine in my vmware of ubuntu 6.06 32-bit |
| 13:06:02 | directhex|work | i shall try 6.06 64-bit |
| 13:10:34 | amiconn | Iirc vorbiscomments work on my 64 bit debian box. Can't check right now though |
| 13:10:50 | GodEater | why so interested in the sim anyway directhex|work ? |
| 13:11:56 | directhex|work | GodEater, it's a relatively convenient way to tinker, e.g. checking my filthy changes to others' WPS files work |
| 13:12:29 | * | GodEater wonders if amazon.com will be allowing copies of vista to ship internationally anytime soon |
| 13:12:54 | directhex|work | doubtful |
| 13:13:08 | GodEater | well I'm buggered if I'm going to be it from .co.uk - it's double the price |
| 13:13:14 | GodEater | s/be/buy |
| 13:15:34 | * | linuxstb thinks GodEater has been watching too many Vista TV adverts |
| 13:16:13 | GodEater | haven't seen any actually |
| 13:16:22 | directhex|work | vista's a better windows than xp. |
| 13:16:29 | GodEater | I played with RC1 for a while and quite liked it |
| 13:16:47 | GodEater | and her indoors wants a windows PC again cos she doesn't like the linux one :( |
| 13:17:03 | GodEater | "Where's internet explorer?" |
| 13:17:08 | directhex|work | my other half would prefer linux, if The Sims 2 ran on it |
| 13:17:09 | GodEater | "Where's Excel?" |
| 13:17:21 | directhex|work | she's much happier with her ibook now it runs ubuntu instead of macos |
| 13:17:37 | GodEater | you have an enlightened missus obviously |
| 13:17:48 | GodEater | mine's stuck in the dark ages and refuses to come out |
| 13:17:59 | directhex|work | she also keeps slapping me when i sound excited over vista |
| 13:18:27 | GodEater | that's a bit strong |
| 13:18:39 | directhex|work | well it's an ironic slap for ironic excitement |
| 13:18:55 | directhex|work | but in all honesty, i like vista more than xp, and hope people will move to it |
| 13:18:57 | GodEater | perhaps I should just buy a ready built machine with it on |
| 13:19:11 | linuxstb | The only thing I know about vista is that it doesn't play well with ipodpatcher - running a command obviously isn't enough to tell Windows you want to run it... |
| 13:19:12 | * | GodEater goes to look at dell.com |
| 13:19:29 | directhex|work | if you don't upgrade motherboard often you can get a vista oem license |
| 13:19:32 | GodEater | linuxstb: true |
| 13:19:48 | GodEater | but it's only safety checking even more than ipodpatcher does on it's own |
| 13:20:01 | GodEater | "Are you really sure you want to nuke this hardware?" |
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| 13:20:26 | GodEater | and once I've got it installed again I can tell people *exactly* which security setting to disable to get round that |
| 13:20:28 | directhex|work | okay, 64-bit build of the ui sim with an older gcc... |
| 13:20:37 | GodEater | rather than the rather vague one I made in the forums a few months ago |
| 13:20:49 | GodEater | or was it weeks ? |
| 13:21:15 | directhex|work | it's 64-bit. seems to break tags. |
| 13:21:41 | linuxstb | GodEater: So is the error when ipodpatcher tries to access the hardware, or just when it is launched? |
| 13:21:54 | linuxstb | s/error/safety check for your own good/ |
| 13:21:54 | GodEater | I believe when it tries to access the hardware |
| 13:22:16 | GodEater | though as I say, I can't tell right now - since I don't have vista to hand |
| 13:22:24 | GodEater | I'll go see if I can find someone else running it |
| 13:22:26 | * | directhex|work runs "cat /dev/zero > /dev/sda" as a normal user and expects it to work |
| 13:22:28 | GodEater | gimme a few minutes |
| 13:22:42 | linuxstb | The −−scan only opens devices in readonly mode, so no harm can be done. |
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| 13:25:02 | directhex|work | argh. we have a printer with built in duplexer & stapler, why will nobody use the options they have? ÂĴ_ÂĴ |
| 13:25:25 | Lynx_ | Is there some wps tag that shows if replaygain is 'active'? |
| 13:25:59 | GodEater | both workstations on this floor with vista on them aren't authenticating against AD, and their owners are missing, so I can't try it out |
| 13:26:01 | GodEater | sorry |
| 13:26:33 | Lynx_ | sorry, found it in the manual |
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| 13:28:16 | directhex|work | i could boot the laptop, but i have a meeting in 2 minutes |
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| 13:31:29 | GodEater | the only problem I have with Dell is they *insist* you have some sort of office software on any pc you buy from them. |
| 13:31:36 | GodEater | I don't want ANY!!!! |
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| 13:54:22 | * | GodEater tries to work out if Mrs. GodEater will be either pleased at receiving a shiny new PC with windows on it, or mad because he's supposed to be saving to buy a flat.... |
| 13:55:36 | * | GodEater suspects the latter. |
| 13:58:07 | LinusN | well, if you can buy a flat for that money, i'd say you paid too much for the pc :-) |
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| 14:01:39 | tokyoahead | hi all... I think I killed my Nano v.1 with installing rockbox... it worked fine for some minutes and then it showed a battery symbol, and now its dead... any way to test whats wrong? connecting to the usb cable does not change anything |
| 14:02:24 | tokyoahead | ah... fals alamr, it suddenly started working :-) |
| 14:02:45 | * | GodEater thinks perhaps LinusN doesn't understand about deposits and stamp duty and such ;) |
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| 14:27:40 | Lhademmor | Hi people. Quick newbiequestion: Is there any way to see if rockbox is actually working on the database after "initialize now" is selected? |
| 14:28:00 | Mikachu | maybe somewhere in the debug menu |
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| 14:30:05 | Lhademmor | I've got a Ipod Nano and installed rockbox yesterday. The music is not found (although I can listen to it by selecting the Ipod_Control folder and the mumbo-jumbo-mp3's in there). I haven't got a clue of how to "convert" the iTunes stuff so that rockbox can identify it properly |
| 14:30:34 | Spug | use the Database |
| 14:30:47 | GodEater | yeah - change File View to "Database" |
| 14:31:09 | directhex|work | did someone still want something tested on vista? |
| 14:31:24 | Spug | Lhademmor: section 4.2 in the manual |
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| 14:32:01 | Lhademmor | Spug: Looked over it a couple of times already |
| 14:32:37 | GodEater | Also, after you've hit "initiliase now" go to Info->Debug->View database info |
| 14:32:42 | GodEater | that will show you it updating |
| 14:33:49 | GodEater | Then it's General Settings->File View->Show Files->Database to actually make the browser use it's contents |
| 14:33:54 | Lhademmor | OMG, it's working. I hadn't figured out how to switch to database. Thanks people : |
| 14:34:09 | Spug | ;) |
| 14:34:42 | directhex|work | i fixed the Sta theme to actually display album art. yay. but it uses 120x120 bitmaps and i already converted to 100x100. poo |
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| 14:37:21 | GodEater | I'm pretty impressed with how fast the database initialises actually |
| 14:37:31 | GodEater | I think mine just did ~6000 files in a minute |
| 14:37:33 | linuxstb | directhex|work: Do you have an ipod, and if so did you run ipodpatcher under Vista when you installed Rockbox? |
| 14:37:52 | linuxstb | GodEater: On the all-conquering Gigabeat? |
| 14:37:53 | Lhademmor | Hell, open source IS more effective :) |
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| 14:39:05 | GodEater | linuxstb: yep |
| 14:39:16 | GodEater | I'll try it on my H140 now - that's got the same content |
| 14:41:16 | Lhademmor | I have one more question, though: When I connect my nano to the manual battery-recharger-through-normal-socket-thingie (i.e. not the PC), it seems like Rockbox is repeatedly restarting itself again and again, with the "Do not disconnect" appearing every now and then |
| 14:41:30 | directhex|work | linuxstb, i don't have an ipod, no i have a gigabeat as of this morning |
| 14:41:53 | GodEater | Lhademmor: hold menu when you insert the usb cable |
| 14:42:59 | Lhademmor | GodEater: Done. Now at least it's not rebooting anymore - but I can't see any signs of whether or not it's actually recharging? |
| 14:42:59 | GodEater | same content as gigabeat took 2 minutes 10 seconds |
| 14:43:16 | * | GodEater passes the baton to another iPod owner |
| 14:44:07 | GodEater | Lhademmor: i.e. I'm not familiar with how Rockbox tells you it's charging on the iPod I'm afraid |
| 14:44:17 | GodEater | I'm fairly certain it is - I just don't know how you tell |
| 14:44:33 | Lhademmor | Ok. I guess I'll find out soon enough ;) |
| 14:44:59 | Llorean | Lhademmor: Look at the battery icon in the upper left corner. Is there an icon next to it? |
| 14:45:39 | GodEater | Llorean: does that assume he has the status bar turned on ? |
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| 14:45:54 | Lhademmor | Llorean: Yes, between the battery and the small triangle there's a small icon - looks kinda like a light bulb |
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| 14:53:55 | Genre9mp3 | markun: around? |
| 14:55:09 | markun | Genre9mp3: yes |
| 14:55:33 | Bagder | "Crossfade, my God. I'd take a shotgun blast to the face for this feature. It's as close as you can get to a DJ actually mixing all your music. I'm pretty sure Jesus Christ himself developed this feature." |
| 14:55:54 | Bagder | enthusiastic user... :-) |
| 14:55:57 | markun | :) |
| 14:55:59 | Llorean | Lhademmor: That's the charging icon, though it's supposed to look somewhat like an electrical plug |
| 14:56:33 | Spug | on my H300 it looks like a plug when plugged into a wall charger, and a light bulb when charging through USB |
| 14:56:37 | Spug | so i think it's right |
| 14:56:38 | Genre9mp3 | markun & others, what do you think switching to Nimbus-19 for iCatcher Gigabeat/iPod5G? |
| 14:56:47 | Genre9mp3 | http://img59.imageshack.us/my.php?image=comparepl6.png |
| 14:56:52 | Genre9mp3 | http://img59.imageshack.us/my.php?image=compare2lf2.png |
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| 14:56:58 | Lhademmor | Llorean: Hey, maybe you're right. It's all very small |
| 14:57:04 | markun | Bagder: reading mygigabeat.com? |
| 14:57:09 | Bagder | yeah |
| 14:57:21 | markun | the forum is a mess |
| 14:57:43 | * | Bagder nods |
| 14:57:57 | markun | Genre9mp3: do it, much nicer |
| 14:57:58 | Genre9mp3 | Bagder: With what nick Jesus Christ logs in here? |
| 14:58:18 | Genre9mp3 | markun: I think so, too |
| 14:58:19 | Bagder | JobVanDam |
| 14:58:24 | directhex|work | Genre9mp3, it looks a little better, but personally i'd focus more on fixing things like the aliasing on the theme itself |
| 14:58:27 | Mikachu | JCgordon |
| 14:58:29 | Bagder | http://www.mygigabeat.com/forum/messages.cfm?threadid=7ACAEA48-3048-2906-EA59BF0E04FAAA95 |
| 14:58:40 | Genre9mp3 | markun: And it's more consistent this way since other versions use Nimbus, too |
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| 14:59:24 | RedLeg | Greetings.... |
| 14:59:27 | Spug | Bagder: does rockbox on gigabeat take longer to start up than the OF?! :o |
| 14:59:33 | Bagder | it says so |
| 14:59:39 | preglow | rockbox startup is slow on gigabeat?? |
| 14:59:42 | Bagder | it surprised me as well |
| 14:59:43 | Genre9mp3 | directhex|work: You are right, hopefully I'll do something about it as well |
| 14:59:54 | perldiver | preglow 2sec |
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| 15:00:10 | Bagder | perldiver: and the OF? |
| 15:00:18 | markun | preglow: not really slow, but the OF bootloader first loads some files into memory |
| 15:00:18 | RedLeg | I have a couple of questions about RockBox on the 4G ipod.... is this the right place to ask? |
| 15:00:22 | preglow | apparently, slasheri is jesus christ |
| 15:00:32 | perldiver | Bagder pretty much the same |
| 15:00:34 | preglow | i always knew he would be rebord as a finn |
| 15:00:35 | linuxstb | Does the Gigabeat OF have a sleep mode? |
| 15:00:38 | Spug | yeah |
| 15:00:38 | perldiver | a split second faster |
| 15:00:41 | Spug | that's it |
| 15:00:43 | Spug | sleep mode |
| 15:00:45 | perldiver | linuxstb it does |
| 15:00:50 | markun | preglow: we should try what happens if we replace the files by empty ones (removing them doesn't work) |
| 15:00:56 | markun | linuxstb: yes |
| 15:00:59 | Spug | "The long startup is because rockbox has no "suspend mode" like the original firmware." - from the thread |
| 15:01:02 | linuxstb | Time to start flashing your own bootloader then... |
| 15:01:08 | markun | yes.. |
| 15:01:16 | linuxstb | Send one to Flasheri. |
| 15:01:18 | markun | first the jtag connector |
| 15:01:23 | directhex|work | Genre9mp3, i'm not discounting the work that's gone into it or anything like that, either (e.g. http://www.mfconsulting.com/blog/archives/000157.html), just suggestin' |
| 15:01:32 | GodEater | heheh - Flasheri :) |
| 15:01:33 | Llorean | preglow: Basically, it's slower in the context of "Rockbox boots up slower on Apple" as well. |
| 15:01:35 | Bagder | jesus also does flash ;-) |
| 15:02:06 | perldiver | but some people experiencing 10 seconds and more loading times |
| 15:02:18 | Genre9mp3 | directhex|work: the link doesn't work for me |
| 15:02:24 | Llorean | perldiver: Are those people using ridiculously graphical WPSes? |
| 15:02:25 | markun | Genre9mp3: did you get around to draw hi-res versions of your WPS images yet? |
| 15:02:28 | Spug | the iriver H300 OF spends 20 seconds booting up |
| 15:02:30 | GodEater | I think it boots in about 6 seconds for me |
| 15:02:42 | perldiver | Llorean not at all |
| 15:02:42 | * | linuxstb points people at his wps-tar-bitmaps patch |
| 15:02:54 | directhex|work | Genre9mp3, remove the final bracket if your irc client is picking it up |
| 15:03:02 | Genre9mp3 | markun: no, I hope I'll find some time and do it though |
| 15:03:07 | Llorean | perldiver: And the *rockbox* part of the bootup takes 20 seconds? |
| 15:03:12 | preglow | linuxstb: commit! :-) |
| 15:03:13 | Llorean | With non-graphical WPSes? |
| 15:03:18 | perldiver | Llorean correct |
| 15:03:22 | directhex|work | Spug, yeah, the iriver takes silly time to boot with the standard firmware |
| 15:03:30 | Llorean | perldiver: You verified that they were using simple WPSes? |
| 15:03:52 | linuxstb | Is it a big issue that I'm forcing the tar files to contain the bmp files in the same order as the .wps file? |
| 15:03:52 | perldiver | Llorean yes, there was no wps used |
| 15:04:17 | Llorean | perldiver: I assume you mean the default WPS then, rather than "none", as you can't use None. They'd reset their settings? |
| 15:04:18 | preglow | linuxstb: hmm, i'd rather it didn't have to be like that |
| 15:04:23 | Bagder | linuxstb: not a big issue, but I bet it'll lead to questions/whining user |
| 15:04:26 | preglow | linuxstb: it'll probably be a cause of "what did i do wrong" questions |
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| 15:05:11 | perldiver | Llorean yes, i meant the default wps, and yes everything was reset and even the drive was defragmented |
| 15:05:14 | preglow | linuxstb: is that a hard fix anyway? |
| 15:05:16 | perldiver | it was an F10 |
| 15:05:26 | Llorean | perldiver: Maybe the 10gb drive is just slow? |
| 15:05:38 | Llorean | perldiver: My bootup, after the Gigabeat loader is done, is ~4 seconds, or so. |
| 15:05:44 | Genre9mp3 | directhex|work: I'm not sure what you want me to read from that page |
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| 15:06:17 | markun | me neither |
| 15:06:38 | Llorean | preglow, linuxstb: Could we simply provide a program that creates the .tar properly from the .wps? |
| 15:06:41 | directhex|work | Genre9mp3, it's a general "users who don't contribute demanding changes" thing. |
| 15:06:57 | perldiver | Llorean it was always around 2 seconds for me |
| 15:07:07 | RedLeg | is this the right place to ask about 4G ipod issues? |
| 15:07:15 | preglow | Llorean: shouldn't be too hard, but i'd rather not have that dependency |
| 15:07:18 | Bagder | RedLeg: shoot |
| 15:07:29 | preglow | it all depends how hard it'll be for rockbox to not take the files in order |
| 15:07:32 | Bagder | RedLeg: if it is rockbox on the 4g you mean |
| 15:07:51 | Genre9mp3 | directhex|work: I don't demand anything... :P |
| 15:07:52 | RedLeg | OK, a couple..... first, should I be able to selectively boot back to the ipod firmware ? |
| 15:08:00 | Bagder | RedLeg: yes |
| 15:08:09 | Genre9mp3 | directhex|work: I just adapted the theme to Nimbus-19 |
| 15:08:27 | Genre9mp3 | directhex|work: wanted to know what people think about it |
| 15:08:34 | directhex|work | Genre9mp3, nope. but i demand an anti-aliased "play" icon and better rendering of the "123" icon! |
| 15:09:03 | RedLeg | Hmmmm... OK, shutdown, then restart and move the HOLD switch.... it _says_ it's loading the original firmware, but just loops between that rolo screen and the apple logo |
| 15:09:27 | Genre9mp3 | directhex|work: hmmm... you got me confused there, but anyway |
| 15:09:33 | markun | Genre9mp3: well, I demand that as will in return for the Gigabeat port :) |
| 15:09:44 | markun | as well |
| 15:09:59 | Genre9mp3 | markun: Well, how can I say, no now? |
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| 15:10:05 | Genre9mp3 | you got me there |
| 15:10:07 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
| 15:10:15 | RedLeg | Bagder: and this is with the daily build.... |
| 15:10:29 | Llorean | RedLeg: That's a problem of the bootloader, not the build. |
| 15:10:58 | Llorean | RedLeg: The fact that the original firmware doesn't load suggests that the something went slightly wrong during the install process. |
| 15:10:59 | RedLeg | Llorean: I would have thought so, but I'm new to RB on the ipod.... |
| 15:11:00 | Bagder | I find it weird that you mention rolo in that sentense. Surely the bootloader doesn't mention rolo? |
| 15:11:01 | markun | Genre9mp3: lets hope you will have lots of free time to work on rockbox in the army.. |
| 15:11:36 | Genre9mp3 | markun: let's hope I'll do something good before this happens ;) |
| 15:12:13 | Llorean | linuxstb: Is the boot order 'appleos.ipod, then firmware partition'? |
| 15:12:17 | RedLeg | Llorean: Makes sense.... but I got no errors or warnings. I have successfully restored the ipod firmware, and it works fine (or as well as it ever did). Then I reinstalled the bootloader and got the same results. |
| 15:12:25 | linuxstb | preglow: Currently the WPS code parses the %x tags one by one to load the bitmaps. I don't want to search the tar file for the bmp files, so only check the current location. |
| 15:12:45 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes. And I don't think we mention apple_os.ipod anywhere in the install instructions. |
| 15:12:51 | Genre9mp3 | markun: except if they place me somewhere with a PC but I doubt that |
| 15:12:58 | Bagder | linuxstb: why not load the tar and index the files, name => position, so that the loading from wps can get them in any order? |
| 15:13:04 | Genre9mp3 | at least for the first months |
| 15:13:06 | Llorean | RedLeg: Try this. Before you do the -a step with ipodpatcher, do -rf apple_os.ipod, and copy the file you get from that to the disk of your iPod. Then finish the install as usual, and see if it boots Apple OS |
| 15:13:06 | RedLeg | Bagder: probably just an error on my part. I've been running RB on my archos for quite some time.... |
| 15:13:09 | linuxstb | Bagder: Load it where? |
| 15:13:23 | Llorean | linuxstb: I'm just curious if in the cases like this, Apple_OS.ipod is a viable alternative. |
| 15:13:42 | Bagder | linuxstb: into a buffer, possibly the one already used for wps images |
| 15:13:52 | RedLeg | OK.... give me a few.... |
| 15:14:12 | Bagder | but really, I should not speak up without checking the details more carefully. I'll stop |
| 15:14:32 | linuxstb | Bagder: The issue is I don't want to have to find extra RAM from anywhere. |
| 15:14:34 | preglow | that does sound like a viable solution, yes, but with the tons of files, quite some space will be wasted |
| 15:14:54 | Bagder | but aren't the files loaded anyway? |
| 15:15:00 | Bagder | I don't see what the waste is |
| 15:15:10 | preglow | Bagder: the index table |
| 15:15:14 | RedLeg | Llorean: where should the apple_os.ipod file live on the disk? |
| 15:15:30 | linuxstb | Maybe I just need to look into the WPS code in more depth. It's still mostly a mystery to me. |
| 15:15:31 | Bagder | the index table would just be some 50 entries with pointers and offsets, that's 200 bytes or so |
| 15:15:33 | Llorean | RedLeg: Just in the root of the ipod. |
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| 15:15:45 | Llorean | RedLeg: Oh, you should've restored bootpartition.bin before extracting it. |
| 15:15:56 | linuxstb | Bagder: What about the filenames? |
| 15:16:05 | Llorean | RedLeg: I didn't say that, but I was kinda assuming a restart of the install process. It has to be extracted from an iPod that's currently able to boot into Apple firmware |
| 15:16:06 | Bagder | linuxstb: they're in the tar already |
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| 15:16:25 | Bagder | each index entry points to that file name and an index to where the data begins |
| 15:16:53 | Mikachu | you mean just load the whole tar into the wps bmp memory? |
| 15:16:56 | linuxstb | But the tar is on disk... Or do you mean read the tar into RAM? |
| 15:16:57 | Bagder | yes |
| 15:17:06 | Bagder | I mean read the tar into the image buffer |
| 15:17:12 | RedLeg | Llorean: I figured that... so apple_os.ipod should be in the same dir as the rockbox.ipod? |
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| 15:17:31 | Llorean | RedLeg: Rockbox.ipod can actually be in /.rockbox. I don't believe apple_os.ipod can be. |
| 15:17:36 | linuxstb | But the tar could be bigger than the image buffer - it contains 24-bit bitmaps (not 16-bit native format), plus the 512-byte tar headers, plus padding of each bitrmap to 512 bytes. |
| 15:17:40 | Llorean | I'm not sure about that one though |
| 15:17:42 | RedLeg | OK.... |
| 15:18:05 | Bagder | linuxstb: hm, right but then you could read the whole tar and convert it on load and then generate the index table |
| 15:18:38 | Bagder | I just think the tar should be read as one chunk into ram, indexing it as it goes |
| 15:19:03 | Llorean | RedLeg: You can have X:\.rockbox\rockbox.ipod (if you want to keep your root free, but you have to remember to overwrite it with each update) |
| 15:19:11 | Bagder | not perhaps in one chunk but in one go |
| 15:21:50 | pixelma | Llorean: isn't there a problem with booting to appleOS on some 4th gen ipods and the new installation process? |
| 15:22:06 | RedLeg | Llorean: OK, now when I try to boot into ipod, it says loading apple_op.ipod, Sum: 1259EF0B, loaded, and then resets to the applo logo |
| 15:22:30 | linuxstb | Bagder: Yes, that's what I wanted to do originally. I'll dig into the WPS code more deeply and try it. |
| 15:22:37 | Mikachu | it would be nice if you could skip having the apple os in the firmware image, but still on the firmware partition |
| 15:23:11 | linuxstb | RedLeg: (sorry, I haven't been following your conversation until now). That's a known issue with the new installation method - you should follow the old install instructions on the 4G. |
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| 15:23:58 | RedLeg | linuxstb: OK.... I just went to the online manual... where are the "old method" instructions/ |
| 15:24:01 | RedLeg | ? |
| 15:24:29 | linuxstb | Start here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPort |
| 15:25:01 | linuxstb | Use one of the three links at the bottom of the page (depending on your operating system). |
| 15:25:55 | RedLeg | linuxstb: OK, I had started there, but didn't realize I needed to follow the old instructions..... |
| 15:26:04 | RedLeg | Thanks all.... be back in a few |
| 15:26:19 | linuxstb | The IpodInstallationBeta page has a warning at the top. |
| 15:27:35 | Llorean | linuxstb: Would looking at a non-working Apple_OS.ipod help you any? |
| 15:28:24 | linuxstb | I've got all the files I need to test, I just haven't spent enough time analysing them yet. But it's the next Rockbox-related thing I want to do. |
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| 15:29:32 | webguest20 | Is it possible to search rb sources online? |
| 15:29:34 | linuxstb | I just need to compare the output of the old ipod_fw process with the output of the new ipodpatcher process. |
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| 15:30:50 | linuxstb | webguest20: You can browse them here - http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/ but I don't think you can search (apart from google). |
| 15:31:19 | Bagder | webguest20: get a tarball and grep in it locally... |
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| 15:38:40 | webguest20 | Bagder: yes, that will I do |
| 15:38:57 | RedLeg | Um.... how long should it take the thing to boot at this point? I seem to be stuck at the apple logo..... |
| 15:40:07 | linuxstb | RedLeg: Did you restore your ipod before following the old install instructions? |
| 15:40:23 | RedLeg | linuxstb: yes |
| 15:41:03 | RedLeg | I can't even seem to force it into disc mode at this point |
| 15:41:25 | linuxstb | You can always force it into disk mode - hold MENU+SELECT to reboot, then SELECT+PLAY for disk mode. |
| 15:42:03 | RedLeg | linuxstb: OK, that's what I thought.... let me try it again |
| 15:42:13 | linuxstb | But obviously the install went wrong. Are you using all the old components linked to from the old installation page? i.e. the old ipodpatcher, and the old bootloader? |
| 15:42:25 | linuxstb | You can't mix-and-match old and new. |
| 15:42:55 | linuxstb | And check the Apple firmware is working OK before starting to install Rockbox. |
| 15:43:12 | RedLeg | OK, got disk mode.... let me restore back to ipod OS and go through it again. |
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| 15:44:17 | djm | hello |
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| 15:45:36 | markun | hi djm |
| 15:45:43 | RedLeg | linuxstb: OK, working ipod again... now lets follow the old instructions CAREFULLY...... |
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| 15:45:59 | djm | lol, i think i just fixed my problem :) |
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| 15:48:50 | djm | no, only got half way there. can someone lend a hand? |
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| 15:50:15 | Llorean | djm: We don't know if we can help you unless you ask a question we can see if we know how to answer. |
| 15:52:18 | djm | fair enough - i just installed rockbox on a h10 and i couldnt see any files, so i created a playlist, and every file on the player is in it - is there a way just to use it as directory structure? so i can choose a folder, then play the tracks in order, or do i have to create a playlist? |
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| 15:53:10 | linuxstb | Read section 4.2 of the manual - the Database feature. |
| 15:53:29 | markun | linuxstb: you need it for the h10 as well? |
| 15:53:49 | linuxstb | I don't know... |
| 15:54:07 | linuxstb | Maybe just enabling "show all files" in the file browser will reveal your music. |
| 15:54:08 | markun | djm: where is your music stored? Maybe the folder is hidden? |
| 15:54:34 | * | linuxstb thinks Rockbox runs on too many targets nowadays |
| 15:55:05 | Llorean | Many H10s are MTP, and hide your music, I believe, though if I recall it's just a hidden folder. |
| 15:55:07 | directhex|work | linuxstb, is there any way to track which ones are popular? |
| 15:56:58 | djm | yes, it is MTP and the dirs are hidden - i'll unhide them |
| 15:57:17 | Bagder | djm: I think the OF will hide them again |
| 15:57:23 | Bagder | if you run that |
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| 15:57:37 | Bagder | just fyi |
| 15:57:40 | RedLeg | OK... back with another question about the bootloader |
| 15:57:44 | Llorean | djm: You can set Rockbox to show All Files, rather than just Supported, and it'll see the hidden directory |
| 15:57:55 | djm | oh |
| 15:57:59 | djm | whats OF? |
| 15:58:04 | Bagder | original firmware |
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| 15:58:36 | djm | oh, i dont plan on going back - so it should be OK? |
| 15:58:50 | markun | yes, should be ok |
| 15:59:14 | RedLeg | Given that I followed the (linux version) of the old instructions, how to I toggle between apple_os and rockbox at boot? |
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| 15:59:28 | Llorean | RedLeg: Hold Menu |
| 15:59:36 | RedLeg | OK thanks |
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| 16:00:20 | RedLeg | MUCH better..... |
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| 16:05:14 | webguest39 | Greetings all: Is there any documentation for a lowly Windows guy on compiling the sim for W32? |
| 16:05:46 | webguest39 | I have compiled and used the sim in vm/debian. I've also used rasher's pre-compiled Gigabeat sim |
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| 16:06:21 | RedLeg | SO... now that I can toggle boots, I'm back to my second original question..... |
| 16:06:21 | webguest39 | wanted to add patches and not have to launch vm/debian just to build/test wps's |
| 16:08:09 | n1s | webguest39: support for the win32 sim has been dropped about a year ago |
| 16:08:27 | RedLeg | Should I be able to get RockBox to "see" the tunes installed to the ipod using the itdb2tc tool and procedures? |
| 16:09:15 | markun | webguest39: but you can compile the SDL sim for windows |
| 16:09:18 | Llorean | RedLeg: Or you could just use the on-player database generation. Either method should work |
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| 16:09:53 | markun | webguest39: did you read: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator ? |
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| 16:10:53 | RedLeg | OK, the itdb2tc tool generates output, but I get a consistent "database is not ready" error.... I assume I should delete those files, and then generate them from within RockBox somehow? |
| 16:11:09 | webguest39 | markun: yes, read that. I saw something about putting the sdl.dll in the windows dir, but didn't get the desired result |
| 16:11:28 | markun | webguest39: you need cygwin http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
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| 16:11:50 | markun | or you can also run linux in vmware and compile and run the sim there |
| 16:11:56 | webguest39 | markun: is there something I have to do to compile the "SDL sim for windows." Coming from a linux newb pov |
| 16:12:22 | Spug | RedLeg: if the database isn't ready, have you tried rebooting rockbox? |
| 16:12:37 | RedLeg | Spug: yeah, several times.... |
| 16:12:39 | markun | webguest39: new to windows or new to linux? |
| 16:13:05 | webguest39 | i've used both the sim in vmware and rasher's gb sim. i just wanted to be able to build/test wps w/out lauching the whole vmware/debian env. |
| 16:13:07 | webguest39 | linux |
| 16:13:12 | RedLeg | Spug: How do I generate it from within RockBox? |
| 16:13:43 | markun | webguest39: ok, so first install cygwin and then follow the normal sim build instructions |
| 16:13:58 | Spug | RedLeg: i've never used itdb2tc |
| 16:14:07 | Spug | just the Database |
| 16:14:45 | webguest39 | markun: you can't do it in the debian setup? there's no problem with getting rid of that setup and installing cygwin. just asking. |
| 16:14:47 | linuxstb | RedLeg: Section 4.2 of the manual describes the database. |
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| 16:15:58 | n1s | webguest39: sure you can but you said you didn't want to fire up the vm |
| 16:16:30 | n1s | (and the sim compiled in the vm will be a linux binary) |
| 16:16:56 | webguest39 | oh ok, so cygwin is what i have to use in order for it to run in windows. got it. |
| 16:17:40 | RedLeg | linuxstb: Thanks.... initializing and then rebooting seems to have worked. |
| 16:17:56 | webguest39 | then just go through the normal sim compile instructions and copy the sdl.dll to /windows like it says in the wiki? |
| 16:18:14 | linuxstb | RedLeg: Did the itdb2tc program generate files with "tagcache" in the name or "database" ? |
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| 16:20:10 | RedLeg | linuxstb: tagcache.... I'm guessing it's out of sync with the current rockbox version? |
| 16:20:25 | n1s | just the name, should be database |
| 16:21:46 | RedLeg | OK, I'm up and running... Thanks Everyone! |
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| 16:33:14 | webguest39 | nls, markun: going thru the cygwin process. Just follow the process outlined in the wiki:patch, compile-gb/sim/sdl, copy sdl.dll to c:\windows |
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| 16:36:35 | perl|work | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8513.0 |
| 16:36:44 | perl|work | i wonder why noone mentions itunes agent there |
| 16:37:54 | linuxstb | Because no-one has heard of it? |
| 16:38:39 | perl|work | really? |
| 16:38:44 | perl|work | http://ita.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:39:02 | linuxstb | Will that work with ipods? i.e. sync to an ipod as if it was a generic device/ |
| 16:39:09 | perl|work | yeah |
| 16:39:14 | perl|work | check that page |
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| 16:39:23 | perl|work | its for "generic devices" |
| 16:39:39 | linuxstb | Yes, but ipods are not generic devices... At least to itunes. |
| 16:39:43 | perl|work | seems like a nice solution for those who like to stay with itunes using rockbox |
| 16:39:58 | linuxstb | That page just talks about syncing to non-ipods. |
| 16:42:18 | perl|work | do you mean a rockboxed ipod? |
| 16:42:31 | GodEater | yes he does |
| 16:42:51 | Mikachu | itunes doesn't care that rockbox is installed, you don't have to use ita to sync to it |
| 16:43:26 | GodEater | I believe ita "syncs" using a sane folder structure |
| 16:43:35 | GodEater | not the garbled crap itunes defaults to |
| 16:43:51 | perl|work | GodEater correct |
| 16:44:03 | GodEater | so what we're asking is here - will ita allow this with an iPod as well as other devices |
| 16:44:18 | GodEater | or will iTunes gobble up the iPod nativly and ita fail to see it as a "generic device" |
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| 16:44:50 | GodEater | in which case the sync will still be in iTunes native crappy folder structure |
| 16:44:57 | perl|work | "Most mass storage devices should be supported. The only criteria for iTunes Agent to be able to synchronize your device is that it is mapped to a drive letter under "My Computer" in Windows." |
| 16:45:16 | GodEater | so the answer I'm hearing is "I don't know - try it" correct ? ;) |
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| 16:46:18 | perl|work | GodEater, correct, im just assuming, since i saw that thread |
| 16:46:39 | GodEater | I'll be sure and try it once LinusN finishes working his magic |
| 16:47:07 | perl|work | but i dont see the reason why ita wont see it as a generic device |
| 16:47:31 | linuxstb | You obviously haven't been around ipods and itunes long enough... Nothing makes sense. |
| 16:47:37 | GodEater | ;) |
| 16:48:02 | Mikachu | you could probably make windows use another mass storage driver for the ipod |
| 16:48:28 | linuxstb | GodEater: You can try it on your ipod, even without Rockbox running. |
| 16:48:33 | Mikachu | i was able to access it with the same driver as some usb key my mom had lying around |
| 16:48:52 | GodEater | I think what linuxstb is driving it is that unless ita provides it's own "sync" button, then syncing with iTunes will either make iTunes do it the normal way, and ita not see the sync event |
| 16:49:11 | GodEater | or they'll BOTH sync, in which case you'll end up with two copies on the device |
| 16:49:24 | perl|work | i have a 5g laying around, i should just try it |
| 16:49:32 | GodEater | that would be nice :) |
| 16:49:42 | linuxstb | Nah, let's speculate some more. |
| 16:49:47 | perl|work | hehe |
| 16:50:02 | GodEater | ok - I'll hand the floor over to you then linuxstb ;) |
| 16:50:14 | * | linuxstb goes back to work |
| 16:50:20 | GodEater | cop out |
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| 16:51:38 | perl|work | but, again, what would be reason for ita not to see a rockboxed ipod as a generic device? |
| 16:51:44 | perl|work | sorry, i dont use ipods a lot |
| 16:51:52 | Mikachu | i don't even use windows :) |
| 16:51:58 | GodEater | we're not saying it won't see it as a generic device |
| 16:52:08 | GodEater | we're saying iTunes will ALWAYS see it as an iPod |
| 16:52:11 | Bagder | Mikachu: what, you live in a cellar? ;-) |
| 16:52:21 | Mikachu | no, ground floor |
| 16:52:22 | GodEater | or perhaps a cave |
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| 16:53:37 | perl|work | GodEater, i believe i saw a while ago somebody mentioned ita as a tested solution for a rockboxed ipod |
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| 16:53:46 | perl|work | maybe im hallucinating though |
| 16:54:39 | perl|work | i just never assumed itunes still sees it as an opod with OF |
| 16:54:44 | perl|work | ipod* |
| 16:57:28 | linuxstb | Rockbox doesn't have a native USB mode, so the ipod is always running the OF when connected to a PC. |
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| 16:58:47 | * | GodEater is trying it too - and can't make ita see the ipod |
| 16:59:29 | GodEater | oh no - wait - I have |
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| 17:00:29 | perl|work | ? |
| 17:01:45 | webguest39 | I was looking and may be getting confused with FS #5900/custom wps line, but is there a patch that adds the y-coord to the placement of images? Or will this patch work with images also? |
| 17:01:46 | GodEater | wow - it actually works without iTunes hairbrainedness getting in the way! |
| 17:01:55 | perl|work | GodEater aha! |
| 17:03:01 | Mikachu | seems like a roundabout way of copying files |
| 17:03:28 | linuxstb | Yep, I find cp quite adequate for that job. |
| 17:04:05 | GodEater | well I won't use it - but at least we can point people at it |
| 17:04:58 | Bagder | http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/02/cowons-iaudio-d2-touchscreen-pmp-reviewed/ |
| 17:05:03 | Bagder | touchscreen driver anyone? ;-) |
| 17:05:06 | linuxstb | But I don't think many people have asked how to use itunes with Rockbox only. Most people just want a way to play music in both the Apple firmware and Rockbox, without using itunes. |
| 17:05:48 | Bagder | "the usual audio format support in addition to OGG Vorbis, FLAC, APE" |
| 17:05:52 | Bagder | APE! |
| 17:05:54 | Bagder | ;-) |
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| 17:05:58 | perl|work | linuxstb well some people have music libraries and playlists, all in itunes, i guess that might be a solution for them |
| 17:06:12 | Mikachu | hooray vendor lock-in |
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| 17:06:26 | linuxstb | perl|work: Yes, I know some people like itunes - but those aren't normally the kind of people that want to install Rockbox. |
| 17:06:41 | linuxstb | (obviously there are exceptions) |
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| 17:07:00 | * | GodEater is an exception |
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| 17:08:23 | perl|work | i dont like itunes or ipods in general, but sometimes i find myself launching it for "podcasts". i mean i can see people getting addicted to this bloatware easily |
| 17:08:29 | linuxstb | That screenshot makes me long for Rockbox - http://www.engadget.com/photos/cowons-iaudio-d2-reviewed/150363/ |
| 17:09:13 | Mikachu | what the hell is Jet Effect? :) |
| 17:09:22 | Bagder | a whooooshing sound ? |
| 17:09:34 | Bagder | or jetlag? |
| 17:09:39 | Genre9mp3 | Jet Lag Effect |
| 17:09:39 | perl|work | some wild phaser or flanger |
| 17:09:43 | preglow | 3~flanger |
| 17:09:48 | preglow | s/3~// |
| 17:09:51 | perl|work | hehe |
| 17:10:01 | preglow | it's usually just slow-lfo flanger |
| 17:10:18 | perl|work | yeah id be suprised to see a phaser there |
| 17:10:22 | Mikachu | i see how that's useful |
| 17:10:36 | preglow | i've actually got code for that which works on rockbox, heh |
| 17:10:50 | Mikachu | commit! |
| 17:10:55 | preglow | but who the flaming hell anyone would want to apply that globally: no idea |
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| 17:11:06 | preglow | who/why/asl |
| 17:11:21 | Mikachu | haha |
| 17:12:21 | perl|work | so hows flanger is "useful" exactly, Mikachu? :P |
| 17:12:29 | Mikachu | i was joking |
| 17:12:29 | preglow | haha |
| 17:12:32 | preglow | it's useful if you're a dj |
| 17:12:38 | preglow | and like cliches |
| 17:13:04 | perl|work | shortcuts for high/mid/low cuts would be nice as well preglow |
| 17:13:07 | perl|work | :P |
| 17:13:58 | preglow | shortcuts? |
| 17:14:31 | perl|work | well, since they have a shortcut for a flanger... |
| 17:15:28 | preglow | pft, the sound settings menu is two presses away! |
| 17:16:00 | perl|work | with a touchscreen device and a lot of "gestures" that might actually work. i already tried beat matching with 2 gigabeats |
| 17:16:05 | perl|work | it wasnt that bad :P |
| 17:16:46 | preglow | haha |
| 17:16:57 | preglow | the times i've tried to beatmatch with rockbox devices, i discovered i don't really know how to beatmatch |
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| 17:17:16 | perl|work | and you can use bookmarks and queuing points |
| 17:17:36 | perl|work | and=as |
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| 17:19:22 | perl|work | actually, its not that far fetching of an idea, to make a good dj interface for rockbox |
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| 17:23:03 | TravisH | Quick question: When using SVN to revert back to the sourcecode of a previous time, you would use svn update -r DATE, right? If so how is DATE formatted? |
| 17:23:24 | markun | TravisH: svn revert |
| 17:23:40 | markun | ah, wait.. |
| 17:24:43 | markun | TravisH: sorry, you are right. I have no idea what the date format is |
| 17:25:25 | linuxstb | YYYYMMDD should work. |
| 17:25:56 | pixelma | I checked out to a specific revision yesterday using "-r <revnumber>" |
| 17:26:17 | linuxstb | Ah yes, revision number would be easier... |
| 17:26:22 | Mikachu | i think it's -r '{ date }' |
| 17:26:30 | Mikachu | _with_ the brackets :) |
| 17:28:51 | TravisH | Got it! Thanks for your help. linuxstb: that was the one format i didnt try. haha |
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| 17:34:24 | perl|work | oh that touchscreen cowon battery has lasted 46 hours... |
| 17:34:55 | perl|work | i guess thats why it has the looks of a cassette walkman |
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| 17:44:31 | webguest39 | one more question: is there a patch that uses the y-ccord for images? Is FS# 5900 just for text? |
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| 17:46:24 | n1s | webguest39: read the CustomWPS wiki page and all will be clear |
| 17:47:20 | webguest39 | thanks, I must have missed that. |
| 17:52:16 | webguest39 | nls: "y" coordinate in the unpatched wps lang (lack of better terminology) refers to how far right an image extends, correct? Not positioning up and down. Am I asking the wrong question? |
| 17:53:49 | linuxstb | Images can have both an x and y co-ordinate. x is the distance from the left, y is the distance from the top. |
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| 18:01:32 | webguest39 | aww dang: I was thinking about the progress bar coords. Thanks all. I'll retreat to my cave now. |
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| 18:37:37 | theripper | hi |
| 18:37:46 | theripper | I have a big problem |
| 18:38:07 | theripper | I installed Rockbox with ipl Loader 2 |
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| 18:38:38 | theripper | if I start rockbox it says no rockbox directory |
| 18:38:46 | theripper | what have I done wrong? |
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| 18:39:09 | Llorean | theripper: Firstly, we don't support Loader2. Secondly, if it says no directory, you probably don't have the .rockbox folder in the root of your iPod |
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| 18:39:54 | theripper | I have the .rockbox folfer in the root |
| 18:40:55 | Llorean | Of the first Primary Fat32 partition? |
| 18:41:04 | theripper | yes |
| 18:41:42 | Llorean | And it got there by you extracting a rockbox.zip into the root of the device? |
| 18:42:19 | theripper | yes |
| 18:42:35 | theripper | and the rockbox.ipod file |
| 18:43:01 | Llorean | And Rockbox shows the filetree properly when it boots? |
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| 18:48:22 | Llorean | Anyone around have any clue what Rockbox would do if presented with a filesystem it didn't recognize? |
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| 18:53:38 | fleytin | Hello, all. |
| 18:54:40 | fleytin | In rockbox now there is na runtime submenu under info menu. What do current time and top time mean? |
| 18:56:54 | Soul-Slayer | How long it's been running as far as I know.. I'm not sure what causes a reset though |
| 18:57:51 | Soul-Slayer | Current time would be 'Since last reset', and Top time would be 'Longest consecutive amount of time'... However I have no idea what triggers the reset, nothing seems to on my H10 |
| 18:58:19 | fleytin | Soul-Slayer: But there are two parameters displayed and that's a bit confusing. And these two parameters slightly differ. |
| 18:58:44 | Soul-Slayer | What does your screen display? |
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| 19:01:18 | norbusan | the run time can be reset by pressing one of the buttons, don't remeber which, I guess play. |
| 19:02:13 | fleytin | Soul-Slayer: it shows current time 14 hours 45 minutes and seconds are constantly changing and top time with almost the same values. |
| 19:02:39 | norbusan | Then the top time is equal to your current time... |
| 19:02:52 | Soul-Slayer | That's what I mean - Current time is the time since the last resetting event... However I have no idea what event causes a reset |
| 19:02:53 | fleytin | on my x5 just press right twice to reset it. |
| 19:04:47 | fleytin | norbusan: But I try to understand the reason for that 'top time' parameter. Why 'current time' is not enough? Perhaps my English just fails me. What 'top time' actually means? |
| 19:05:07 | Soul-Slayer | Basically, your current time is how long you've been running RockBox, and your top time is the longest you've run it for. If they are equal, then you have been running it for the longest it's ever run before, because your current time IS your top time. I imagine something makes that current time go back down to 00:00:00 and count up again, and your top time will remain the same, however I've never found anything that returns your current time to 00:00: |
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| 19:06:07 | Soul-Slayer | All in all, it's nothing really useful, unless you use it to measure battery life or something, to see what the best amount of time you've managed to run RockBox for was (although that would only work if running out of battery reset the current time, and I've never waited long enough to find out if it does) |
| 19:06:14 | norbusan | Thanks Soul-Slayer |
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| 19:06:47 | fleytin | Soul-Slayer: Thanks I see now. |
| 19:07:16 | Soul-Slayer | I'm glad :). |
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| 19:34:26 | amiconn | Soul-Slayer: Current time goes back to 0 whenever you charge the battery *in rockbox*. You can also reset it manually |
| 19:34:41 | Soul-Slayer | Aha, thank you |
| 19:34:44 | Mikachu | does it save a timestamp, or count time while it's on? |
| 19:34:59 | amiconn | It counts the power-on time since last charge |
| 19:35:04 | Mikachu | okay |
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| 19:41:08 | rp- | amiconn: where is the readout of the battery done? |
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| 19:54:15 | hachi | hurrr, ipodlinux web stuff is down |
| 19:55:05 | mattzz | what format is "unsigned foreground" in lcd.h? |
| 19:56:20 | mattzz | (used for lcd_set_foreground) |
| 19:57:38 | mattzz | nevermind - found it. rb->lcd_set_foreground( LCD_RGBPACK( r, g, b ) ); |
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| 20:00:29 | freshyt | hello |
| 20:01:34 | freshyt | just a quick question i just got rockbox 2 days ago and im trying to make my own wps,how can i change the color of the font on my wps? |
| 20:01:53 | Mikachu | you don't |
| 20:02:28 | freshyt | ah |
| 20:03:14 | freshyt | im new at this sorry for the stupid question >.< |
| 20:03:41 | hcs | a theme can set the font for the whole GUI |
| 20:05:06 | freshyt | so would it be like foreground: XXXXXX |
| 20:05:18 | freshyt | ? |
| 20:07:36 | hcs | coreground color: 404A49 |
| 20:07:46 | hcs | *foreground color |
| 20:07:54 | hcs | I just copied that from Pixel |
| 20:08:08 | Mikachu | wouldn't it be pretty easy to implement setting colors from wps? |
| 20:08:20 | hcs | sure, get to it |
| 20:08:23 | Mikachu | :P |
| 20:08:35 | hcs | ain't open source glorious? |
| 20:08:43 | freshyt | haha k thank you |
| 20:08:49 | freshyt | let me try that |
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| 20:22:33 | lini | how do I make svn also include the new files when doing "svn diff"? |
| 20:22:50 | lini | i tried svn help diff but did not see anything relevant there :( |
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| 20:29:37 | linuxstb | lini: You need to add the files using "svn add" |
| 20:30:23 | hcs | wow, until I remembered the logs, I was very impressed by the answer to the unseen question |
| 20:30:35 | Mikachu | maybe he just guessed |
| 20:34:21 | * | preglow decides to have another look at the resample clicking problem |
| 20:34:30 | hcs | thanks! |
| 20:34:33 | preglow | any playback.c gurus here now? :/ |
| 20:35:13 | XavierGr | way to go preglow! :D |
| 20:35:26 | preglow | bah, mp3 still doesn't work on amd64, i see |
| 20:35:48 | linuxstb | Did you see my opie links earlier today? |
| 20:36:28 | linuxstb | (regarding 64-bit libmad fixes) |
| 20:36:58 | preglow | and vorbis... |
| 20:37:03 | preglow | linuxstb: nope, i didn't |
| 20:37:14 | preglow | i see that playing two oggs in a row also segfaults now |
| 20:37:28 | linuxstb | 11:42:54 in the logs. |
| 20:38:22 | preglow | checking out |
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| 20:45:16 | preglow | good to see they included more in the last commit than the commit msg says |
| 20:47:01 | zylche | I blame admins running with scissors. |
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| 20:54:02 | preglow | linuxstb: this really isn't a very easy diff... |
| 20:54:10 | preglow | god knows what they changed |
| 20:56:18 | pixelma | hmm... I found that MAX_FILENAME is defined as 20 - that is not sufficient for the "sazanami-mincho-regular-xx" fonts - what would be the preferred fix: shorten the font name or rise the filename limit? |
| 20:56:37 | linuxstb | preglow: I know, I've been looking as well... |
| 20:56:52 | linuxstb | Maybe diff it against the latest official libmad? |
| 20:58:47 | preglow | pixelma: 20 is a bit small, if you ask me |
| 20:58:51 | preglow | so i think i'd say raise |
| 20:59:12 | preglow | i don't long for the days of cryptic short filenames |
| 20:59:28 | linuxstb | Hmm, I can't see any differnces between the libmad from opie, and libmad-0.15.1b (the version we imported into Rockbox originally). |
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| 21:01:13 | pixelma | preglow: thanks |
| 21:01:36 | pixelma | what would be a good number then? |
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| 21:01:45 | preglow | linuxstb: me neither, no, nothing of consequence |
| 21:01:50 | preglow | pixelma: beats me :) |
| 21:02:01 | preglow | pixelma: not much more, i'd think, 32 or something, perhaps |
| 21:02:33 | preglow | or perhaps 40 |
| 21:02:36 | preglow | *shruggage* |
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| 21:05:06 | jhMikeS | preglow: resample clicking on track boundaries? I stopped that by not resetting the resampler between tracks by using DSP_SWITCH_FREQUENCY in the codecs. If there's something else, I've never heard it. |
| 21:05:18 | preglow | jhMikeS: not on boundaries, clicking all the time |
| 21:05:26 | preglow | jhMikeS: it does so for some rates when upsampling |
| 21:05:35 | jhMikeS | hmm...that one never came up for me |
| 21:05:46 | preglow | jhMikeS: well, try playing files that are 32khz |
| 21:05:52 | preglow | jhMikeS: or pitchingh sound below 100% |
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| 21:06:13 | preglow | jhMikeS: i'm fairly sure the clicks happen at frame boundaries, and i'm also fairly certain the glitches aren't thanks to the resampler itself |
| 21:06:18 | jhMikeS | I've done soundpitching below 100% with no difficulty |
| 21:06:27 | preglow | i can reproduce the clicking easily |
| 21:06:37 | preglow | other people also get it |
| 21:06:50 | preglow | especially the spc codec, which always runs at 32khz, get it a lot |
| 21:06:52 | jhMikeS | Wonder why I never ran into it...huh |
| 21:07:04 | preglow | jhMikeS: i hope you don't use it for recording... |
| 21:07:08 | jhMikeS | Well, I never used SPC |
| 21:07:23 | jhMikeS | no 32Khz in recording unless a port is capable |
| 21:07:28 | jhMikeS | none are yet |
| 21:07:33 | preglow | well, i hope you don't use that resampler for any recording :) |
| 21:07:47 | preglow | up or downsampling |
| 21:07:54 | jhMikeS | no but 32Khz would be nice for FM radio |
| 21:08:21 | jhMikeS | There's no resampling in recording atm |
| 21:09:43 | preglow | good, good |
| 21:10:18 | jhMikeS | I'm trying 72.5% down pitch (32/44.1) and 137.8% up pitch (44.1/32) |
| 21:11:34 | preglow | i never get it for downsampling, only upsampling |
| 21:11:44 | jhMikeS | sounds fine for me |
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| 21:12:15 | jhMikeS | I just wanted to try both ratios to make sure :) |
| 21:12:19 | preglow | right now it does here too |
| 21:12:22 | preglow | but give it a wait |
| 21:12:24 | preglow | or just tweak more |
| 21:12:46 | preglow | ok, i can't make it click now... |
| 21:15:40 | preglow | ok, this is just plain weird, i haven't had a problem making it click for the last 20 times or so i've tried it over several months, but now? no... |
| 21:16:17 | * | jhMikeS is casting black magic spells >:] |
| 21:16:38 | preglow | yes, your madness is quite clearly contagious |
| 21:16:47 | jhMikeS | lol |
| 21:16:50 | preglow | ah, no, it's clicking now |
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| 21:17:21 | preglow | fuck, if it's going to be THIS hard to reproduce it now, this'll be fun |
| 21:17:54 | jhMikeS | preglow: I sympathize with the elusive bug thing |
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| 21:18:29 | preglow | i doubt this is as elusive as yours, heh |
| 21:18:34 | preglow | i just at debugging |
| 21:18:37 | jhMikeS | I'll try a straight up 32kHz file |
| 21:18:43 | preglow | however, i am good at emitting words |
| 21:18:52 | preglow | insert "suck" somewhere |
| 21:19:12 | preglow | i got it all the time yesterday when trying out the spc codec |
| 21:19:23 | preglow | ahaha, woah |
| 21:19:26 | preglow | it just shot white noise at me |
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| 21:19:45 | jhMikeS | Is is just the SPC codec that really bad or anything 32K? |
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| 21:20:49 | preglow | jhMikeS: anything upsampling |
| 21:21:15 | preglow | jhMikeS: i've got a feeling it's got to with the exact ratio, though, i doubt ratios like 2 or 4 would click |
| 21:21:26 | preglow | i think playback messes up a calculation somewhere |
| 21:21:28 | jhMikeS | Anything? Hrm...so many times running 22K and 11K recording and never got it. |
| 21:21:54 | jhMikeS | Playing those back rather |
| 21:22:16 | preglow | try testing with sines, btw |
| 21:22:20 | preglow | easier to hear the glitch then |
| 21:22:31 | preglow | arrarharhg |
| 21:22:43 | preglow | anytime i try to listen to the same codec twice: segfault |
| 21:23:19 | preglow | clicks like a bitch even at 50% |
| 21:23:21 | jhMikeS | sure but upsampling's gonna add mega harmonics anyway...downsampling generally sounds better |
| 21:24:10 | preglow | sure, but that can be fixed |
| 21:24:18 | preglow | it's just this particular resampler sucking badly |
| 21:27:18 | jhMikeS | That's a crunchy 1kHz sine way I've got at 32K +0 |
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| 21:28:36 | preglow | heh |
| 21:28:49 | preglow | but do you hear the clicking then? |
| 21:28:57 | preglow | there's roughly one click per frame boundary |
| 21:30:16 | jhMikeS | Wierd it refused to play the 32KHz file after it after played other stuff |
| 21:30:26 | preglow | cool |
| 21:30:28 | jhMikeS | The click is a bit sharp of 60HZ |
| 21:31:03 | preglow | it's codec dependant |
| 21:31:11 | preglow | dsp gets passed frames as often as the codec wants |
| 21:31:47 | jhMikeS | so it's frame boundary and not the resampler beating against the waveform? |
| 21:31:56 | preglow | i seriously doubt it |
| 21:32:08 | preglow | if it turns out to be a resampler bug after all, i'll have to stop coding |
| 21:32:10 | preglow | too stupid for code |
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| 21:32:59 | jhMikeS | Well 32000/1000 = 32 which with two pulses per cycle would be 64Hz if I get it right |
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| 21:34:26 | preglow | hmm |
| 21:34:30 | preglow | are we talking about the same glitches here? |
| 21:34:39 | preglow | anywho, i'm pretty sure that's a coincidence |
| 21:34:52 | preglow | a correctly working linear interpolator shouldn't be able to make noises like this |
| 21:35:07 | preglow | it is, after all, an interpolator, the output should be smoother than the input |
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| 21:37:57 | jhMikeS | Well, I see in my capture that some cycles go up too steeply in the negative portion |
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| 21:38:33 | jhMikeS | Looks like it's dropping a sample out periodically |
| 21:39:49 | jhMikeS | In fact, if I pop one sample in right at that point the shape looks good again |
| 21:40:21 | preglow | yes |
| 21:40:26 | preglow | that's what makes me think this is a playback.c problem |
| 21:40:46 | preglow | the interpolator just creates the number samples it's asked for, it can't skip any of them |
| 21:41:51 | preglow | now, there are always dsp_input_size() and dsp_output_size() |
| 21:42:04 | preglow | and they aren't 100% correct in svn, but after fixing them, the problem is still there |
| 21:42:11 | preglow | also, i don't know if them being wrong should hurt much |
| 21:44:40 | jhMikeS | It looks like it advances too much and then resets or something...dunno |
| 21:46:54 | preglow | yeah, i've no idea |
| 21:47:03 | preglow | that's about as far as i came last time i debugged |
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| 21:50:07 | lowlight | cool...the sansa emulator seems to also work on the olympus m:robe bootloader |
| 21:50:15 | lowlight | up to a certain point anyway |
| 21:50:33 | lowlight | if only I know how to work the lcd :( |
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| 22:19:52 | pixelma | is someone with flyspray admin rights around? |
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| 22:23:58 | preglow | admin admin, or just possibility close tasks, etc? |
| 22:24:23 | pixelma | best would be an admin admin... |
| 22:24:41 | preglow | not too many of those |
| 22:25:12 | Genre9mp3 | like we say carreta carreta? |
| 22:25:17 | preglow | ? |
| 22:25:32 | preglow | jhMikeS: no further clues on what's wrong, then? :/ |
| 22:25:59 | pixelma | yes I know. So maybe it's better to ping them directly (like Bagder) ;) |
| 22:26:22 | jhMikeS | preglow: no...I don't have a full instant reflex picture of how it even works yet. I'll stare at it for awhile. |
| 22:27:09 | hcs | it's fairly simple |
| 22:27:15 | jhMikeS | That's how I learn everything...just stare at it and go into a zen :) |
| 22:27:18 | hcs | there's a little gnome who moves samples around |
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| 22:27:31 | hcs | he needs to be kept fed, so he eats one every now and then |
| 22:27:45 | jhMikeS | aha...so he's not getting fed enough |
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| 22:29:15 | jhMikeS | I'm just looking for that "one thing". Should check it with input completely under my control. |
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| 22:29:37 | hcs | a nice pcm wav? |
| 22:30:39 | jhMikeS | no codecs involved. I'll feed it a given number of samples and request a certain number out. maybe move the code into a plugin real quick |
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| 22:33:56 | preglow | codec gnome? and here's me just being visited by the bloody sock gnome again |
| 22:33:59 | preglow | i wonder if they're related |
| 22:34:09 | preglow | it's clear they both enjoy stealing, at least |
| 22:35:44 | jhMikeS | likes to steal one sample for itself every so often...skimming the merchandise |
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| 22:46:15 | Bagder | pixelma: ping received! |
| 22:46:42 | funky | gimme back my ping |
| 22:46:54 | Genre9mp3 | Bagder: You are an admin admin? |
| 22:47:02 | Bagder | I admin everything! |
| 22:47:21 | * | Bagder laughs his evil laugh |
| 22:47:49 | Genre9mp3 | laugh laugh you mean ;) |
| 22:48:18 | * | Genre9mp3 stops now the nonsense nonsense |
| 22:49:04 | pixelma | Bagder: nice... I'd like to be able to close tasks in the tracker too in case |
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| 22:49:48 | Bagder | ... and now you can! |
| 22:50:06 | pixelma | thanks! :) |
| 22:50:52 | * | Bagder reads another NDA from you know what |
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| 22:57:54 | Soap | I'm curious how you write an emmulator (Sansa) w/o full knowlegde of how to program the hardware. |
| 22:58:18 | Bagder | most likely by ignoring/logging what is unknown |
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| 22:58:55 | Soap | ahh, so my assumption that the emmulator was more complete than the port was wrong. |
| 22:59:00 | hcs | it is helpful when the code actually makes sense |
| 22:59:33 | Bagder | Soap: yes, but it helps to understand what the OF does since it can display exactly what it does or tries to do |
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| 23:00:06 | Soap | That makes sense. |
| 23:02:39 | preglow | Bagder: ahh, the beginnings of an exciting friday night |
| 23:03:06 | preglow | i hope you have copious amounts of whisky to wash it down with |
| 23:03:26 | Bagder | I did have one before I took it on actually |
| 23:03:43 | lowlight | Soap: it's more like an arm emulator that then catches the appropriate register values based on what's known |
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| 23:04:34 | Bagder | we also have the skyeye route still to try |
| 23:05:32 | Bagder | http://www.skyeye.org/ |
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| 23:10:32 | funky | is there any way to exit from disk mode while the ipod is hooked up to the pc ? |
| 23:11:25 | perl|work | reboot |
| 23:11:52 | mattzz | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6616 ;-) |
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| 23:15:33 | Soap | sweet - so you got the license figured out regarding the faster code? |
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| 23:17:30 | perl|work | oh what happened to the Digger plugin idea? |
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| 23:42:46 | funky | any way to exit from disk mode while the usb cable is connected ? |
| 23:43:19 | dionoea | which player ? |
| 23:43:31 | funky | ipod 5th gen |
| 23:43:37 | dionoea | not that i know |
| 23:44:16 | sneakums | funky: 'eject /dev/sda' or whatever your ipod si showing up as |
| 23:44:29 | sneakums | and assuming you're using linux |
| 23:44:44 | TrueJournals | funky: I believe that if you hold a certain button while plugging the cable in (menu?) it just charges instead of going to USB mode. So you could either eject the drive from your OS, or unplug then plug back in the USB cable |
| 23:44:52 | funky | yes, Im using linux, but my distro doesnt automount the ipod |
| 23:44:57 | TrueJournals | (I didn't think about ejecting the drive while I started typing that...) |
| 23:45:05 | funky | so, I can eject any device that hasnt been mounted before |
| 23:45:13 | sneakums | funky: it'll see be atttached by the scsi layer, however |
| 23:45:21 | sneakums | so you need to "eject" to get out of disk mode |
| 23:45:31 | funky | IM gonna try |
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| 23:50:27 | funky | sneakums: yeah, it works, but just with the original firmware |
| 23:50:38 | funky | Im not able to do it play anything with rockbox |
| 23:51:27 | funky | it exits from disk mode, but rockbox is not taken up again |
| 23:52:22 | funky | well, now I can listen music at work while is charging, thanks |
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| 23:52:33 | directhex | my box is rocked. |
| 23:52:43 | funky | TrueJournals: now Im gonna try your method, that is the one I remembered |
| 23:52:55 | funky | I slightly remembered |
| 23:55:32 | DataGhost | oh. my. god. |
| 23:55:45 | DataGhost | some people are really stupid/blind/whatever |
| 23:56:34 | DataGhost | someone actually posted a link to the kernel I made, which is at my website, which clearly has my nickname in it, right after a post in which I pointed out (to someone else) that what he posted in that topic was already known. Also, I already posted that kernel in that topic with exactly the same link :/ |
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| 23:57:08 | funky | TrueJournals: doesnt work |
| 23:57:33 | DataGhost | hm it's locked now |
| 23:57:35 | DataGhost | :( |
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