#rockbox 2007-02-03

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#rockbox log for 2007-02-03

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00:05:03	preglow	heh
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00:05:25	preglow	never did figure it out myself
00:05:35	preglow	i just hope it's not a resampler bug
00:05:40	preglow	that would make me look a fool
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00:05:52	preglow	time for another whisky
00:05:54	jhMikeS	I'm thinking "off by one on something" or whatever but no
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00:07:18	jhMikeS	good idea
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00:14:29	Pope	Hello guys
00:19:45	preglow	jhMikeS: but it's pretty much gotta be that
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00:33:01	jhMikeS	though I can see some optimization potential :)
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00:48:14	Pope	so quiet
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00:53:25	preglow	jhMikeS: good, good, where? :)
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00:57:34	jhMikeS	preglow: move the channel loop to the outside. use r->phase = phase & 0xffff. use one set of loops for the entire run. those come to mind
00:57:59	preglow	jhMikeS: ah, yes, i'm planning to optimise the whole shebang in asm when i find something permanent
00:58:01	jhMikeS	and why reset r->delta when it's never changed?
00:58:13	preglow	jhMikeS: that's one of the local changes i have :)
00:58:30	markun	preglow: I scanned through the logs, how far did you get with the upsampling clicking problem?
00:58:47	preglow	the current resampler was really never meant to be permanent, but i've really never gotten around to researching somethin better...
00:58:53	jhMikeS	and doing (phase & 0xffff) when phase >> 16 == 0 is redundant
00:59:00	preglow	markun: this far -><-
00:59:02	markun	I remember that disabling the actual resampling didn't get rid of the clicking
00:59:07	preglow	jhMikeS: also among the local changes i have
00:59:47	jhMikeS	well, it's not if there's just a single loop I guess :)
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01:01:03	jhMikeS	markun: if that's the case, then it can't be there. It has periodic clicking on a 32k wav that should still be there then.
01:01:30	markun	jhMikeS: don't take my word for it by try it yourself
01:02:01	markun	but
01:04:12	jhMikeS	hmmm...should only be two statements...one in each of two functions right?
01:04:45	jhMikeS	oops, found another
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01:07:33	jhMikeS	If I disable the size adjustments and the call to resample the artifacts disappear
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01:08:06	hcs	!
01:08:58	markun	jhMikeS: do you thing the adjustments are wrong?
01:09:14	preglow	i think they are
01:09:21	preglow	but never could make them work
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01:10:25	jhMikeS	couldn't say yet...possibly
01:11:45	jhMikeS	I really don't see a resampler problem. I checked each possible initial state and followed from there and it looks good.
01:12:36	preglow	only thing i've got locally is a dsp_input_size() fix, i see
01:13:12	preglow	which is just taking the current phase into account as well
01:13:15	preglow	but i think it doesn't matter
01:14:21	jhMikeS	I think a check should be made to be sure playback sends _exactly_ as much to the pcm buffer as the dsp generated. All I can think of atm.
01:14:28	markun	good luck with it. I'm going to sleep.
01:14:39	jhMikeS	gnight
01:16:22	Jakeworld	I tend to have a problem after compiling a build for the ipod color, in which the ipod always freezes; I have the newest bootloader, etc., and regardless of whether I apply any patches, freezing is a result
01:16:35	preglow	jhMikeS: well, i think the bug's got to be around that part of the code anyway
01:16:57	Jakeworld	I'm trying to compile my own build... and I know frequency is an issue, but I would like to compile my own build if possible
01:17:24	preglow	Jakeworld: freezing where and when?
01:17:32	Jakeworld	before rockbox even loads
01:17:45	Jakeworld	the apple logo shows, and then it freezes
01:18:45	Jakeworld	usually the only builds that work with me lately are unsupported builds, and I have no problem applying any patches, but any involving frequency scaling seem to be broken
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01:20:28	Jakeworld	are there any frequency scaling related patches that will compile?
01:21:37	preglow	hmm
01:22:03	preglow	if you consistently get freezes at the apple logo, i don't know what is wrong
01:22:04	Jakeworld	I know 6095 was closed only a couple days ago
01:22:14	preglow	but frequency scaling can be disabled quickly, if you want to test
01:22:16	jhMikeS	"upsampling" to the same frequency sounds ok
01:22:21	hcs	Jakeworld: I stick with just disabling
01:22:34	Jakeworld	how would I approach that?
01:22:53	preglow	edit firmware/export/config-ipodcolor.h and comment out the HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ
01:23:03	preglow	jhMikeS: i never had problems with upsampling
01:24:43	jhMikeS	didn't you tell me upsampling (esp. 32kHz)? What am I goofing around with a 32kHz wav then? :P
01:25:26	preglow	eh, forget me
01:25:33	preglow	upsampling is what i have problems with :)
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01:25:40	preglow	downsampling, not so
01:25:59	jhMikeS	more whiskey time ;)
01:26:03	preglow	indeed, heh
01:26:16	preglow	i get mixed up since pitching up means downsampling, and pitching down means upsampling
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01:28:06	jhMikeS	playback seems to send what dsp_process returns as the data size...so that looks good
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01:31:06	preglow	yes, and that can't be bloody wrong
01:31:13	preglow	it's a loop counter in the resample routines
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01:33:41	Jakeworld	alright, compiling now... I'll find out if I did this right
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01:39:15	Jakeworld	well, commenting out the frequency scaling code worked
01:41:24	preglow	did it, now
01:41:36	preglow	weird that it affects the colour that badly
01:41:51	preglow	especially since we have other devs with ipod colors
01:42:09	directhex	yes! my brand new rockbox is installed, filled with media, databased, and working :)
01:42:27	preglow	this must be a great day for you!
01:43:11	directhex	given it's a home-compiled build, yeah, i'm pretty pleased
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01:44:03	preglow	heh
01:44:44	directhex	album art patch, and a theme hacked to support it
01:44:50	jhMikeS	oooh...totally fixed it
01:45:11	directhex	and gapless. bliss \o/
01:45:24	jhMikeS	size = ((unsigned long)size << 16) / resample_data[current_codec].delta; I hope that gets it right.
01:45:55	jhMikeS	32k wav sounds perfect that way
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01:48:06	preglow	wtf
01:48:08	preglow	where?
01:48:46	preglow	ahhhhh
01:49:16	preglow	but...
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01:49:39	preglow	ehm
01:49:42	preglow	why does that work?
01:49:43	jhMikeS	just a preliminary...probably needs a long long?
01:49:54	preglow	probably not, but on the safe side, etc
01:50:04	preglow	most codecs pass pretty tiny buffers
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01:50:39	XavierGr	so you solved the clicking issues? :D
01:50:47	jhMikeS	cause it gives you the number of resampler deltas
01:51:08	preglow	the current position probably needs to be baked into it too
01:51:11	preglow	for max accuracy
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01:53:21	Digital	Hello.
01:53:25	*	jhMikeS is thinking about the "baking" part
01:53:40	Digital	So the rockbox main page does not list iPod 3g as a supported model, yet there's a manual for ipod 3g.
01:53:46	Digital	Is 3g supported or is it deprecated or something?
01:54:01	Digital	Because I have a creaky-ass old 3g ipod.
01:54:14	Jakeworld	that sounds unpleasant..
01:55:00	preglow	jhMikeS: probably just added to the delta
01:55:32	preglow	Digital: it works, i think, but does not perform very well
01:55:39	preglow	Digital: and it's a bit unlikely it ever will
01:55:45	preglow	the 3g is seriously underpowered
01:55:53	Jakeworld	has anyone else been having issues with connecting their ipod to the USB while it is in sleep mode?
01:56:30	Digital	preglow: ach, that's too bad.
01:56:40	Digital	preglow: how would the poor performance manifest itself? just sluggish menus?
01:56:49	Digital	I'm assuming mp3 playback would still be fine since that's in hardware.
01:57:14	Digital	it's got, what, some dinky ARM processor in there?
01:57:44	Jakeworld	I heard that the cache was useless or something
01:57:57	Digital	It can't hurt to try, anyway. Is there any chance of me bricking my ipod by running an sort-of supported platform?
01:58:09	Soap	iPods are neigh impossible to brick.
01:58:30	Soap	iPods also all have no MP3 hardware - everything is software on a dual ARM processor.
01:58:30	preglow	Digital: mp3 playback is not in hardware
01:58:42	Digital	oh, really? I didn't know that.
01:58:46	preglow	Digital: there's an arm, yes, as in all other ipods, but the cache is broken, effectively halving the clock frequency
01:58:54	Soap	Jakeworld: Rockbox has no sleep mode...
01:59:10	Digital	I assumed there was a dedicated mpeg/whatever decoder and the processor just directed it to the right buffer.
01:59:27	preglow	Digital: nopes, it's all in software, and apple's got one hell of a lot faster decoder than we have
01:59:28	Digital	preglow: can you explain the cache issue (or point me to a page that does)? It sounds kind of interesting.
01:59:50	Jakeworld	er... I meant off mode
01:59:52	Digital	oh, so I might actually get interrupted playback.
01:59:57	preglow	Digital: i can't remember any urls, but the gist of it is really just that the cache needs two cycles for each access, ass opposed to all other sane caches who need one
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02:00:05	preglow	Digital: interrupted, oh yes siree
02:00:19	preglow	Digital: a few rockbox codecs work fine on the 3g, but mp3 is not among them
02:00:27	preglow	i expect flac will work fine
02:00:29	preglow	also musepack does
02:00:38	Jakeworld	I've heard that the freeze may be attributed to the COP patch.. so that may be it
02:00:40	Soap	what kinds of issues are you having Jakeworld ?
02:01:05	Digital	what decoder does rockbox use under the hood? is it just a port of faad/etc or is it from scratch?
02:01:09	Jakeworld	well, when connecting the iPod to the USB when it is off, it freezes
02:01:29	Jakeworld	the ipod has to be on for the ipod to into disk mode
02:01:30	Digital	I am bothered that an evil closed-source corporation could possibly best the collective genius of open source.
02:01:58	Jakeworld	it's not a big issue, i'm just curious
02:02:35	Soap	said closed-source corporation has open-book access to the hardware.
02:02:50	Soap	(or atleast developement tools for said hardware)
02:03:17	preglow	Digital: we use a modified libmad
02:03:38	preglow	Digital: for aac we use faad, yes, but that's an even more inefficient codec
02:03:51	preglow	mp3 runs nicely on most of our targets, aac only on a couple
02:04:31	preglow	Digital: when it comes to hand-optimising stuff in assembler, being paid to do the job sure is a nice way to get it done
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02:05:23	Digital	ah, yes.
02:05:32	Digital	So what platform does rockbox run best on, anyway?
02:05:48	Digital	I just wanted to try it out on my ipod before I decided if I was going to make my replacement buying decision based on rockbox compatibility.
02:05:48	preglow	the iriver h1x0/h3x0 ones, i'd say
02:06:05	preglow	but i don't know, really, i've only got an iriver h120 and ipod nano
02:06:08	Digital	Since my 3g gets 45 minutes to a charge on a good day.
02:08:00	TrueJournals	hey, anyone here use the VMWare image for development?
02:08:05	directhex	Digital, i was told the gigabeat was the best platform
02:08:14	directhex	Digital, which is why i bought one
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02:08:37	preglow	the gigabeat looks promising indeed
02:08:43	preglow	and is probably easier to get hold of than the irivers
02:08:58	directhex	it seems fantastic so far
02:09:09	directhex	but it is the hour of bedsleep, so no more tinkering
02:10:43	Digital	gigabeat.ca has music.
02:11:16	directhex	only the F and X-series are supported. don;t get an S-series
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02:20:05	markun	jhMikeS: great find!
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04:50:37	konam	hi a todos
04:50:53	konam	hi everyone, excuse me ^^U
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05:00:39	nixphoeni	hi
05:01:30	nixphoeni	anybody familiar with firmware kickin around? i wonder how the interrupt vector is actually directed to a point in code
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05:11:28	webguest37	does anybody hear have rockbox on a 5.5g ipod with loader2?
05:11:49	scorche	webguest37: loader2 isnt supported here
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05:15:54	webguest37	but is it possible is all I want to know
05:18:02	scorche	30 gig, yes
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05:23:26	webguest37	now I have another question, what exactly is the .ipod file do
05:23:26	webguest37	?
05:23:33	webguest37	does*
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05:28:24	scorche	that is the firmware
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05:32:26	webguest37	ok thanks
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08:21:40	sneakums	foolsh: assuming HWND is declared, it should probably just work
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08:29:33	foolsh	no it's just "HWND hWnd;" in the main.c and "extern HWND hWnd;" in main.h I'll try "int HWND"
08:29:49	foolsh	thanks
08:30:17	amiconn	HWND isn't an int, it's a pointer
08:30:29	amiconn	It's a window handle
08:30:33	amiconn	..in windows
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08:31:24	sneakums	foolsh: well, what's the gcc error? (if it's long, please use pastebin)
08:31:53	sneakums	assuming this is related to rockbox in some way, i guess
08:32:46	ackbahr	I just dowoloaded rockbox for my Iriver h320, and I'm wondering if there's a way to make it the secondary boot choice instead of the first one? I'd only use it's advanced feature once in a while....
08:32:48	sneakums	it used to be that you couldn't have "extern foo bar;" in the file that actually defines bar (with "foo bar;") but i thought they'd fixed that
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08:33:14	amiconn	gcc can build windows programs fine, but you need to include the appropriate windows include
08:33:38	sneakums	#include <windows.h> sucks it all in, iirc
08:34:05	foolsh	sneakums:Yes thats what im trying to do port the sansa emulator from fs#6524 from windows to sdl and it was just so dead in here I thought I'd throw that out there
08:35:17	foolsh	amiconn: I tryind including windows.h from mingw32
08:35:28	foolsh	tried*
08:38:41	foolsh	ackbahr: i'm not sure there is an easy way to to this without compiling your own .rockbox
08:38:41	Llorean	ackbahr: You'd have to change the bootloader, which is not necessarily safe. Why exactly do you want to load the firmware that takes longer to start up, and has worse battery life?
08:38:47	Llorean	foolsh: It actually requires a bootloader change.
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08:39:37	*	foolsh thinks a setting for default boot firmware would be a nice feature
08:40:17	Llorean	foolsh: Rockbox's goal is to fully replace the original firmware. The bootloader is mostly designed to get you into Rockbox, quickly. An option would slow it down.
08:43:02	foolsh	I agree, I love the speed at which rockbox loads, but it would be nice not to have to tell ackbahr simply "no it can't be done easliy"
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08:43:38	ackbahr	foolsh: ... Which is what you have to tell me, I suppose?
08:44:00	Llorean	ackbahr: Did you just ignore where I told you what you had to do?
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08:45:06	ackbahr	Ah, sorry, I only saw the last post addressed to me, I'm cleaning the mess in my flat in parrallel.... Thank you very much Llorean !
08:45:23	Llorean	ackbahr: I'm curious why you don't want to use Rockbox though.
08:45:31	Llorean	The only advantage of the retail firmware is WMA playback.
08:46:03	amiconn	Llorean: plus USB OTG
08:46:11	Llorean	amiconn: Yeah, but that's not a "primary use" situation.
08:46:32	Llorean	amiconn: I forgot that since I was in the mindset of "why someone would prefer to boot to the original most of the time"
08:46:37	ackbahr	Llorean: And as an answer to your question : for appearance only, and for the fact that this could be configured easily, wouldn't it?
08:47:09	amiconn	Not easily
08:47:24	Llorean	ackbahr: You'd have to edit the bootloader, which is not the safest thing. It's easy to code, but not easy to guarantee the bootloader you upload will be safe.
08:47:30	amiconn	The bootloader should be fast, and it has to be very reliable
08:47:41	Llorean	Also, I'm surprised you'd sacrifice several hours of battery life for a graphical menu.
08:47:48	Llorean	amiconn: Yeah, but it'd be easy to just swap the boot order.
08:48:38	amiconn	I was referring to the configration part
08:48:39	ackbahr	Well, I'm not the only user of this device either, and my wife prefers it shiny (well, you'll tell me I might as well teach her the alternate boot procedure..)
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08:49:29	Llorean	ackbahr: Teaching her to hold a button down is probably a lot safer than compiling a replacement bootloader.
08:50:12	ackbahr	I agree...
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08:50:26	ackbahr	(well, although you don't know my wife!)
08:51:59	*	foolsh knows his wife very well and will compile his own boot loader IF she ever lets him within ten feet of hers
08:52:36	ackbahr	Ah, that's another problem....
08:53:44	Llorean	foolsh: On the iRivers H100/H300, a bad bootloader can permanently disable the device, which is why we never, ever recommend someone edit it. The ones we have for download have been tested on devices in the possession of someone who can recover them safely if it's bad.
08:54:20	Llorean	"Permanently" in the sense that you need special hardware to recover it.
08:55:06	ackbahr	Llorean: Anyway don't worry, I'm a totally non-coding person, so there's not a single chance I'm going to edit anything! :)
08:55:39	foolsh	ahh I see.. so it flashes the real rom?
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08:57:11	ackbahr	Oooh, that'd be bad indeed
08:57:45	Llorean	foolsh: As opposed to a fake rom? I'm confused.
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09:02:28	foolsh	Llorean: Yes thats it exactly.. confused many times over O_o
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09:46:53	napoleon	hey guys , anyone figured out how to set the keys right on Rockboy , sandisk E200 version?
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09:48:10	decayedcell	omfg make[1]: *** [install-target-libssp] Error 2 with rockboxdev.sh... lol same thing as if I did it manually
09:50:05	decayedcell	hmm would this possibly be related with me running a generic linux kernel + headers on Kubuntu?
09:50:50	foolsh	napoleon: I use rec=menu; scrollup=select: scrolldown=start: power=b: select=a, and up down left right as up down left right...
09:51:05	foolsh	very playable
09:52:12	foolsh	decayedcell: possibly did you compile the headers for your custom kernal too?
09:52:50	decayedcell	foolsh I just installed Kubuntu... and it installed generic as default
09:53:35	foolsh	but it says it wants libssp go look for that in synaptic and instal the -dev version i guess
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09:55:04	foolsh	no the generic kernel is the only kernel ubuntu uses now no sse or i585 versions so no i thought you meant you conpiled your own kernel
09:55:17	foolsh	compiled*
09:56:24	decayedcell	Well if I try to install another kernel it says its been surpassed by generic =/
09:56:51	foolsh	did you install build-essential package?
09:57:30	*	decayedcell does that now
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10:00:20	foolsh	you will have to run "sudo ./rockboxdev.sh" to install the compilers for ubuntu
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10:09:52	decayedcell_	even with build-essential I get the same error
10:10:14	*	decayedcell_ tries downloading libssp-dev
10:10:54	foolsh	hmm no such lib
10:11:25	decayedcell_	Theres an experimental one... http://packages.debian.org/experimental/libdevel/libssp-dev
10:13:27	foolsh	but I use kubuntu and don't remember compiling anything to run ./rockboxdev.sh a few weeks ago when i cleaned out my install of windows
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10:32:05	amiconn	It's completely ingnored on both target and sim
10:38:26	linuxstb	As it's gone from creat(), I guess we should be consistent.
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10:54:44	decayedcell_	question does the update database function in rockbox purge old/invalid entries?
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10:59:56	linuxstb	decayedcell_: I think it should. Are you having problems?
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11:15:52	linuxstb	amiconn: Have you done any more work on ipod usb/charger detection?
11:16:20	amiconn	Not yet
11:16:58	amiconn	I will probably check something regarding firewire, as I now know about one pc with a 6-pin firewire socket
11:17:20	linuxstb	I had some success with Barry's usb debug plugin, so I'm trying again this morning.
11:17:43	amiconn	Checking the diff between 4-pin and 6-pin firewire should also tell me how to detect a pure firewire charger, even though I don't have one
11:18:35	DataGhost	eh.
11:18:41	DataGhost	afaik 4pin firewire does not have a power line
11:18:46	amiconn	yup
11:18:48	DataGhost	if that's what you want
11:18:48	DataGhost	:P
11:19:09	DataGhost	I noticed that when I got my 4G's battery dead in 30 minutes, trying to transfer some stuff from my laptop
11:19:29	amiconn	I want to make rockbox recognise firewire, and firewire power - independently
11:19:37	DataGhost	ah ok
11:19:55	DataGhost	can't you just read the voltage on the power pins?
11:20:02	DataGhost	it can be done from diagnostic mode
11:20:12	linuxstb	DataGhost: How is your IPL 5.5g support going? I saw your loader2 changes were committed, any progress with the kernel?
11:20:18	DataGhost	no linuxstb
11:20:21	DataGhost	I had exams
11:20:29	DataGhost	and in order to learn for them, I got a job :)
11:20:31	amiconn	DataGhost: Sure, if you hand me a PP datasheet...
11:20:33	DataGhost	2pm-12am job
11:20:53	amiconn	The 'just reading' is the thing to figure out...
11:20:58	DataGhost	so. there hasn't been much progress... I'll resume working on the kernel next week :)
11:21:02	DataGhost	ah heh amiconn
11:21:04	amiconn	Besides, mini2g diagnostic doesn't show voltages
11:21:11	DataGhost	oh
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11:21:25	DataGhost	morning
11:21:37	amiconn	(but mini2g has full firewire support, unlige the video)
11:21:53	DataGhost	and it's the video that's reading out voltages :P
11:21:57	amiconn	Works nicely in WinXP, just need to reboot manually into diskmode atm
11:22:20	amiconn	But my laptop only has 4-pin so no charging
11:23:02	amiconn	Not a big problem on the mini, the microdrive isn't such a big power sucker as an 1.8" hdd
11:24:32	DataGhost	well, the biggest problem with that stupid firewire is also that the harddrive doesn't spin down when idle
11:24:42	DataGhost	so that's quite the drain :)
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11:30:40	decayedcell_	amiconn how do I full rebuild? Initialise should do?
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11:34:47	decayedcell_	anybody know how to make Kubuntu recognise .rockbox folder on iPod? or any folder with '.' at the start of the name?
11:35:27	JdGordon	unhide hidden files
11:35:53	JdGordon	f11 in konquerer
11:36:19	decayedcell_	F11 makes it fullscreen =/
11:36:40	JdGordon	f10?
11:36:43	decayedcell_	nvm did it the manual point and click way
11:36:48	JdGordon	:)
11:38:44	aliask	Hey there Jd
11:40:17	JdGordon	hey
11:40:19	JdGordon	wassup?
11:42:27	aliask	mmm not much, quiet night at home
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11:52:38	decayedcell	anybody else have this problem with 5/5.5G iPod build? only patch I have is cop
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12:30:57	linuxstb	amiconn: Can you try this plugin on your mini? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/usb_detect.c I think you'll need to apply Barry's usb patch first.
12:31:18	linuxstb	It seems to be working fine on both my Color and Video - correctly detecting USB charger and PC connections.
12:32:08	Mikachu	(i don't have a wall charger)
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12:33:22	w1ll14m	mikachu: i have a Firewire charger :) damn that charges fast :)
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12:34:41	w1ll14m	but i will try the patch for recognizing pc and power connections ;)
12:35:27	linuxstb	It shouldn't detect a firewire charger - it's just for distinguishing different types of USB connections.
12:36:27	w1ll14m	linuxstb: i know, firefire always charges only on my 5g, but i own an usb charger and backup battery aswell.. they both use USB
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12:37:08	linuxstb	w1ll14m: OK. Do you know the USB patch you need to apply to use that plugin?
12:37:34	directhex	does the database not support unicode?
12:37:37	w1ll14m	linuxstb usb button press ??
12:37:43	markun	directhex: it should
12:38:04	linuxstb	w1ll14m: This one - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6494
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12:38:16	w1ll14m	let mee check
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12:38:38	decayedcell	directhex I'm pretty sure it doe
12:38:39	decayedcell	s
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12:39:13	decayedcell	your font needs to support Unicode to get Rockbox to display the unicode of course :p
12:39:41	markun	directhex: do the tags show up fine when you play the songs?
12:39:51	directhex	actually, looks like the unicode in the file isn't valid. stupid mp3.
12:39:58	linuxstb	w1ll14m: Apply that patch, then copy usb_detect.c to apps/plugins and add it to apps/plugins/SOURCES. Then run the plugin and try attaching your ipod to your PC via usb and to your usb charger.
12:41:02	markun	directhex: not all tags are stored in unicode.. Maybe you need to set another codepage
12:41:02	w1ll14m	linux, i will try... but i have great pain on my right thumb so i can only use my left hand :\
12:42:46	w1ll14m	linuxstb: checking out new svn version
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12:45:33	directhex	decayedcell, any guesses which fonts support unicode, then?
12:46:02	linuxstb	There's a wiki page with that info I think.
12:46:34	decayedcell	I know in the flyspray someone has done a size 14 uming + glyphs + chinese and other stuff
12:46:49	linuxstb	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeFonts
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12:48:55	directhex	looks like it was both a font issue and a tag issue
12:49:03	directhex	except the font my WPS uses isn't unicodey :/
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12:49:57	napoleon	is there a way to enlarge the text in rockbox? the display is really small
12:50:25	linuxstb	Change to a larger font.
12:50:55	decayedcell	the problem with that may be that the font in your WPS may be misaligned because of the different size
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12:51:31	napoleon	where do i find fonts?
12:51:57	decayedcell	it should be somewhere in General Settings
12:52:13	linuxstb	Did you install the fonts zip file when you installed Rockbox? The install instructions point you to them.
12:52:17	directhex	decayedcell, precisely. looks like i need to fix the font file myself :x
12:52:30	directhex	decayedcell, yet more hacking on this WPS. ho hum
12:53:03	decayedcell	yeah its annoying when you want 'B' font but 'X' WPS isn't aligned for it sigh
12:53:15	napoleon	ah ok , so i probably need this font file cause i cant eccess the font directory in general settings
12:53:27	w1ll14m	linuxstb: compiling new test version
12:54:41	decayedcell	napoleon its in General Settings \| Display \| Browse Fonts if you're changing fonts on the device itself
12:55:30	directhex	"Font is Segoe UI 12 converted for Rockbox, much cleaned up." - i don't like the "much cleaned up" bit, it makes me think a quick makefont won't work
12:55:50	decayedcell	Segoe UI... Windows Vista :p
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13:03:42	w1ll14m	linuxstb: patch works, on charger usb_detect says usb −−> charger and on pc connect it says usb −−> pc
13:05:53	mattzz	Anybody willing to test Conway's Game of Life plugin?
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13:06:15	w1ll14m	linuxstb: windows sees the device as unknown device and rockbox doesn't reboot to diskmode
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13:06:27	bluebrother	hmm. Maybe converting the deja vu fonts for Rockbox would be an idea
13:06:34	w1ll14m	but seems like we are heeding the right way :)
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13:09:25	linuxstb	w1ll14m: Yes, the plugin doesn't reboot disk mode - it's just for testing the detection.
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13:10:43	w1ll14m	linuxstb: but in normal mode
13:11:26	w1ll14m	it gives me the usb logo, then windows finds an unknown device and when i unplug usb it go's back to rockbox
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13:11:41	linuxstb	Ignore that.
13:11:51	linuxstb	The patch itself disables rebooting.
13:12:39	w1ll14m	linuxstb:ok nice, i hate it when rockbox reboots :)
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13:19:33	decayedcell	mattzz: which FS number is Game of Life
13:21:06	decayedcell	nvm found it...
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13:54:36	linuxstb	w1ll14m: Still around?
13:54:39	w1ll14m	yes
13:55:29	linuxstb	I think I've got a working USB detection patch - can you test?
13:55:38	w1ll14m	of course
13:55:57	linuxstb	http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/usb_detect.diff
13:56:03	linuxstb	That should be applied against a clean SVN.
13:56:19	w1ll14m	ok getting a clean svn now
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14:00:09	linuxstb	BTW, there's no need to apply patch #6494 - everything that's needed is in my patch.
14:00:24	w1ll14m	linux: that was what i was thining :)
14:01:34	w1ll14m	linuxstb:i think i don't have to change my bootloader because it's svn and svn works good with my bootloade, or do you think different ?
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14:04:20	w1ll14m	linuxstb: patch goes well on svn, no errors
14:06:27	barrywardel1	linuxstb: I had an alternative way of detecting the difference between charger brick and usb. you check bit 9 of UOG_OTGSC IIRC. That should check if the bus voltage goes above 4.4V. I could only get it to work on my H10 for some reason though, even though I was using the iPod charger.
14:06:54	barrywardel1	i guess it's probably related to the slow charging on the iPods in Rockbox
14:07:21	barrywardel1	it didn't work on the color ipod I tried it on
14:08:28	*	w1ll14m thinks about installing a special rockbox delopment machine
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14:16:35	w1ll14m	linuxstb: with patch installed it does not reboot when connecting external battery neither indicates a charge, when connected to usb charger it's the same it won't reboot and does not indicate it's charging
14:16:51	w1ll14m	when usb connected to pc it reboots as it would without patch
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14:22:17	nixphoeni	barrywardel1: do you know anything about system interrupts on the sansa? i can't seem to figure out what i want to know
14:23:04	barrywardel1	i know a bit about them. what do you want to know?
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14:28:44	nixphoeni	how they're serviced mainly. how the compiler knows which isr serves which interrupt
14:30:05	barrywardel1	the handlers are all set in firmware/target/arm/crt0-pp.S
14:30:43	barrywardel1	irq_handler in system.c serves most normal interrupts
14:31:30	linuxstb	w1ll14m: Yes, I get no charging indicator either. But apart from that it's working as it should? Does WIndows detect your ipod OK when it reboots?
14:31:46	nixphoeni	thanks barrywardel1...just in time too as i have to leave :)
14:31:58	barrywardel1	actually, it's irq in system.c
14:32:16	nixphoeni	that handles everything?
14:33:26	linuxstb	barrywardel1: What would your detection method do attached to a non-powered USB port?
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14:34:16	barrywardel1	nixphoeni: there's also fiq and UIE
14:34:20	w1ll14m	linuxstb: ofcourse when it reboots into diskmode windows recognizes it....
14:34:39	w1ll14m	also linux
14:35:03	barrywardel1	linuxstb: i haven't tested that. i think it would go into USB mode
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14:35:24	w1ll14m	yes diskmode works fine
14:35:28	linuxstb	barrywardel1: Can you test my patch on your H10?
14:35:36	barrywardel1	yeah, ok
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14:36:57	w1ll14m	hmmm strange, it just rebooted to diskmode when i connected usb it was after rebooting from diskmode back to rockbox
14:37:03	w1ll14m	let me try to redo it's situation,.....
14:37:48	linuxstb	You mean you ejected it from WIndows, it rebooted, and then Rockbox detected USB again and went back into disk mode?
14:37:56	w1ll14m	yes
14:38:01	linuxstb	Didn't it do that before?
14:38:13	w1ll14m	hmmm let me check again....
14:38:40	linuxstb	I'm not sure we can avoid that until Rockbox gets its own disk mode.
14:38:46	w1ll14m	also i disconnected usb
14:38:49	w1ll14m	when rebooting
14:38:56	w1ll14m	damn .... battery is empty :\|
14:39:18	w1ll14m	let me attach my firewire charger...
14:42:43	linuxstb	barrywardel1: Do you think my patch is sensible? I've no idea what the setup and run functions are doing....
14:43:21	w1ll14m	i can't reproduce the error...
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14:43:29	w1ll14m	now it's working fine
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14:44:15	w1ll14m	will it charge even if the ui say's it's not ?
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14:45:14	linuxstb	I don't know - can you try it and let me know?
14:45:23	dewdude	w1ll14m, if the battery is dead enough..often times the ipod's hardware will kick it into emergency charge mode
14:46:03	barrywardel1	linuxstb: it seems quite reasonable. we should also probably run dr_controller_stop() on disconnect too
14:46:15	barrywardel1	i have been doing quite a bit of work on the usb support
14:46:28	barrywardel1	but it's quite confusing
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14:48:55	w1ll14m	linuxstb:ok charging ipod now via firewire
14:49:17	w1ll14m	now my 5g's ui says it's charging ;)
14:51:13	preglow	jhMikeS: yoes?
14:51:26	w1ll14m	but if this succeeds we probaply don't have to use the usb button press patch
14:51:36	jhMikeS	preglow: good timing. just gave a look at the IRC
14:51:50	preglow	oh, i felt that
14:52:01	preglow	but anywho
14:52:03	jhMikeS	huh?
14:52:13	preglow	was that the only line of code needed?
14:52:19	preglow	to get rid of the clicking
14:52:39	jhMikeS	no...not at all
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14:53:49	jhMikeS	It clicks testing with the pitchscreen. Was wondering about using some more open ended approach with no need to calculate that.
14:54:33	preglow	that would be niceness indeed
14:56:26	w1ll14m	linuxstb:it seems battery is not charging now, i will need further testing
14:57:33	jhMikeS	convert_to_internal mocks me...and btw I was just saying that I happened to glance at IRC right at the moment you pinged me
14:59:08	preglow	knwo
14:59:12	preglow	know <-
14:59:17	preglow	i'm just messing around
14:59:24	jhMikeS	hehe...ok
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15:01:17	preglow	the sim seems really buggy to me right now
15:01:19	preglow	hrmph
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15:11:30	linuxstb	w1ll14m: I've connected my ipod Color to the AC charger, and although there is no charging symbol, the battery appears to be charging.
15:12:03	linuxstb	(USB AC charger)
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15:14:32	preglow	linuxstb: there was a guy in here yesterday that said he couldn't get the color to boot unless he disabled freq scaling
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15:14:44	preglow	is that the status for all colors?
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15:25:53	markun	preglow: and there is a guy who reported that rockbox produces only faint hisses instead of music on his Gigabeat
15:26:18	markun	but looking at his previous forum posts I think he's just doing something wrong
15:27:57	preglow	haha
15:28:10	preglow	can't say i've ever heard anything like faint hisses
15:28:20	preglow	outright noise bursts, yes, but never anything i'd call faint :)
15:28:25	markun	preglow: but this is strange: "the sound of the game of doom works, but only in one earphone, but i still cant hear d music and the sound of the videos"
15:29:24	markun	perhaps it's a problem with the i2c driver..
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15:30:50	preglow	hmm
15:30:56	preglow	well, i wouldn't know anything about that
15:31:11	preglow	but why i2c? might as well be i2s, unless you don't use that
15:32:42	markun	yes, we do use it
15:32:47	linuxstb	preglow: Not normal as such, but I've experienced it occasionally on my Color. It seems to be random in terms of some builds working, and some not.
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15:33:50	directhex	well my gigabeat works in a rather sexy manner
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15:35:41	msteiner	hello :)
15:35:45	msteiner	short question
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15:36:21	msteiner	there is no support for the 2nd gen of ipod nano... so is this a definitly term?
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15:36:53	preglow	i don't get what you mean, but no, you can't expect support for that for a long time, i think
15:36:58	preglow	we know nothing about the hardware
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15:37:16	preglow	nor do we know anything about how to decrypt the firmware
15:37:28	msteiner	ah okay
15:37:38	preglow	everything about it is very secret, it seem
15:37:39	preglow	s
15:38:02	msteiner	so thats all i want to know, if this is just a "we don't have time to develop" or more a "this is fucking hardware, and we need a lot of time to figure out how to install rockbox on it"
15:38:27	msteiner	:)
15:38:40	preglow	the last, definitely
15:38:44	preglow	we'd love to support it
15:38:45	DataGhost	it's both probably
15:38:48	DataGhost	AND the encrypted firmware
15:38:50	DataGhost	:
15:38:51	DataGhost	:P
15:39:04	DataGhost	so that makes three
15:39:06	preglow	i'd probably jump on the nano 2g bandwagon immediately if i could port rockbox to it
15:39:09	preglow	no questions asked
15:39:10	msteiner	yeah i run rockbox for many yeas on my archos jukebox recorder, it works fine
15:39:30	msteiner	so i thought i can use it also on the ipod nano 2nd gen
15:40:17	preglow	but alas!
15:40:18	preglow	no suck luck
15:40:44	msteiner	so thanks for the fast response :)
15:40:47	preglow	np
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15:41:19	w1ll14m	linuxstb: my ipod haven't powered off yet and the battery haven't run out yet, so it seems like it's charging or something like that :)
15:43:12	linuxstb	Try changing the battery display to numeric - I think it's in something like Display -> status bar
15:43:35	linuxstb	Connecting to my AC USB charger, both my Color and VIdeo seem to charge.
15:44:05	Mikachu	there's a nice graph thing somewhere in the debug menu too
15:44:12	daurnimator	linuxstb: you anywhere with av300 port?
15:45:00	linuxstb	Progressing slowly, but I've also got lots of half-finished Rockbox things I want to finish as well.
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15:47:44	w1ll14m	linuxstb: ipod@ 47% battery, i will if it's charging.... is it possible that it's charging slower then normal with this patch ?
15:48:00	preglow	i may have some opts for the eq here, woot
15:48:06	w1ll14m	linuxstb: now it says 50%
15:48:07	preglow	it's a wonder i didn't think about this before
15:48:14	w1ll14m	preglow: what kind of opts?
15:48:29	Mikachu	go faster opts i assume?
15:48:29	preglow	making it faster
15:48:39	preglow	getting rid of four 64 bit divisions
15:48:41	preglow	which i think are very slow
15:48:54	w1ll14m	preglow: i love you (if it works)
15:49:00	w1ll14m	lol
15:49:12	preglow	i do the divide by a0 all the time, and it's pointless, better to calculate 1/a0 and just multiply by that
15:49:31	preglow	multiplies, even 64 bit ones, are infinitely faster than the 64 bit divs
15:49:35	Mikachu	doesn't the compiler pick up stuff like that?
15:49:43	preglow	no, it's not exact
15:49:55	directhex	who are the primary developers of the gigabeat port?
15:50:01	preglow	it does if you use floating point and -ffast-math, but i don't think it does for non-trivial integer math
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15:50:06	Mikachu	ah
15:50:36	w1ll14m	preglow: can you make a patch ?
15:50:55	Mikachu	you could just wait 5 minutes too
15:51:03	preglow	w1ll14m: gotta code it first, and if it works, i'll just commit it, heh
15:52:03	w1ll14m	preglow: i thought maybe you allready did some tests... but i was wrong :) let me know if you need a tester :)
15:54:04	preglow	this really shouldn't break anything, and i am testing to see whether the results are more or less the same, but sure
15:54:10	preglow	if i ever need one i'll call :)
15:54:15	w1ll14m	:)
15:54:44	DataGhost	lol
15:54:48	DataGhost	If my calculations are correct
15:54:54	DataGhost	I've got 26 hours of video on my 5.5G iPod
15:54:59	DataGhost	battery time
15:55:04	lex	:o
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15:55:06	w1ll14m	:\|
15:55:06	DataGhost	80 hours of music
15:55:19	DataGhost	I built a battery pack with 4x AA rechargable batteries
15:55:25	lex	heh
15:55:25	w1ll14m	lol
15:55:27	DataGhost	that'll give me 1800mAh at 4.8V
15:55:37	DataGhost	I can plug in my usb cable and it'll do a nice more-or-less 5Vusb
15:56:10	w1ll14m	i have a external battery that should be 2700 mAh
15:56:18	w1ll14m	for ipod's
15:56:18	DataGhost	seeing that the 5.5G 80GB battery is 3.7V 600mAh, not calculating the 'excess' 1.1 volts from my external battery pack, I get 1800 + 600 mAh
15:56:27	DataGhost	that should compensate for the loss afaik
15:56:32	DataGhost	and yes I can get more expensive batteries :P
15:56:47	w1ll14m	dataghost: sounds good ;)
15:56:47	DataGhost	I can even add another battery pack on the other side of the PCB :P
15:56:51	DataGhost	yeah :)
15:57:13	DataGhost	hm, however... If I want to do it nicely I'd have to add some diodes
15:57:13	directhex	what precisely happens to paypal donations - how are they reallocated from Bjorn Stenberg's paypal account?
15:57:23	w1ll14m	dataghost: get yourself a good 12v car battery :)
15:57:23	DataGhost	which will cause a voltage drop (when using 2 battery packs in parallel)
15:57:33	DataGhost	oh did I mention that mine is portable? :P
15:57:42	w1ll14m	dataghost: hehehehe
15:58:19	w1ll14m	if you are strong.... you could just get one of those ;) it's a training aswell!!
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15:58:30	DataGhost	and fits in my pocket
15:58:30	DataGhost	:P
15:58:41	w1ll14m	dataghost: ah that's it... mine won't....
15:58:52	w1ll14m	DataGhost: then your idea is better....
15:59:03	w1ll14m	;)
15:59:03	Soap_	don't want a car battery - want a deep-cycle marine battery.
15:59:14	DataGhost	oh yeah
15:59:18	DataGhost	I've got a couple of those
15:59:19	w1ll14m	soap: how the heck are you going to take that on with you ?
15:59:24	DataGhost	500Ah Soap_ :P
15:59:31	DataGhost	but those aren't portable _AT ALL_
15:59:34	w1ll14m	million of hours
15:59:42	Soap_	w1ll14m: I'm not the one who brought up car batteries.
15:59:43	preglow	sweet god, the eq adjustment screen really, really needs some acceleration
15:59:47	DataGhost	one of them 100Ah units already has carrying straps on it
15:59:55	w1ll14m	soap: hehehe
15:59:57	DataGhost	I don't even want to know what it would be like with 5 :P
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16:00:05	Llorean	preglow: Very much so.
16:00:29	w1ll14m	what was the diff command again ?
16:00:47	DataGhost	just 'diff'
16:00:55	DataGhost	or am I missing something? :P
16:01:01	w1ll14m	then you get the > and < things....
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16:01:59	barrywardel1	linuxstb: your patch works on H10 too:)
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16:02:35	barrywardel1	linuxstb: I think it should report charger inserted though
16:04:39	w1ll14m	linuxstb:my ipod charges as wel... confirmed
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16:06:50	DataGhost	http://de.dataghost.com/IMG_7741.jpg
16:06:56	DataGhost	there. very simple yet so effective :)
16:07:25	w1ll14m	DataGhost: whahaha
16:07:33	w1ll14m	DataGhost:looks good
16:07:36	DataGhost	:)
16:07:40	jhMikeS	dsp paradoxes...hrm. playback expects data out every time it calls dsp_process and that's not possible. imagine trying to resample passing one sample at a time like that.
16:07:49	DataGhost	now to get the on-the-box specifications
16:07:58	DataGhost	a.k.a. now to make the calculations without counting any charging losses etc :P
16:08:11	w1ll14m	lol it was diff -u file1 file2
16:08:17	DataGhost	2220 mWh = standard battery
16:08:27	Mikachu	mAh
16:08:29	DataGhost	8640 mWh = my external battery
16:08:31	DataGhost	no mWh
16:08:35	DataGhost	600 mAh
16:08:50	DataGhost	i'm calculating with different voltages here :P
16:08:59	Soap_	do you have undervoltage protection to prevent cell reversal? ;)
16:09:12	DataGhost	I hope Apple thought of that :P
16:09:21	Soap_	I mean in your four cell pack.
16:09:33	DataGhost	no :) so I hope Apple thought of that :P
16:09:51	DataGhost	that would give me 29 hours of video
16:10:10	DataGhost	97 hours of music
16:10:12	DataGhost	fair enough
16:10:50	w1ll14m	but using a video causes when charging via usb your battery just is just dying slower....
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16:11:13	w1ll14m	that's what i found out using my battery pack
16:11:15	DataGhost	which battery?
16:11:17	w1ll14m	ipod
16:11:19	w1ll14m	ipod's
16:11:22	DataGhost	oh
16:11:24	DataGhost	is it that bad?
16:11:38	Soap_	let's hope Apple thought of _that_ ;)
16:11:49	DataGhost	because I did notice that transferring 20 GB of music to a near-empty iPod 80GB will kill the battery before the transfer is done
16:11:56	w1ll14m	no, not direct, but it's just your ipod will last a little longer but eventuely will die when using exterolan power and playing at the same time
16:11:57	DataGhost	but the disk is spinning all the time then
16:12:00	DataGhost	not with videos
16:12:12	Soap_	backlight pulls a lot of juice.
16:12:15	w1ll14m	even with music
16:13:00	w1ll14m	if you could get a 30 volts on a little stronger battery, your ipod charges faster and can keep up with the usage
16:13:06	DataGhost	and anyway, I won't be watching videos for 24-29 hours straight anyway :P
16:13:11	w1ll14m	you would have to use firewire
16:13:19	DataGhost	does firewire allow up to 30? :o
16:13:34	DataGhost	I always thought why it said 5-30V... I thought that was just a safety margin :P
16:13:37	w1ll14m	don't know exactly... but back of ipod says 5-30 volts
16:13:44	w1ll14m	hhahaha
16:13:55	DataGhost	lol
16:14:07	w1ll14m	i don't know exactly firewire's voltage, ive read somewhere it was 30 volts, but i thought it was 12
16:14:14	Soap_	If you put in 30, I would have to believe 18 of those volts would get tossed by the regulator at a severe level of heat.
16:14:22	w1ll14m	so i'm confused about that ;)
16:14:36	DataGhost	FireWire can ... blah blah blah ... Its six-wire cable is more flexible than most Parallel SCSI cables and can supply up to 45 watts of power per port at up to 30 volts
16:14:38	DataGhost	hmm
16:14:58	Soap_	ahh, it can do 30. Dang.
16:15:00	w1ll14m	but scsi isn't portable at all :)
16:15:02	DataGhost	can. and up to
16:15:07	DataGhost	so I guess that's device-regulated
16:15:08	DataGhost	:P
16:15:20	w1ll14m	but my ipod charges 5 times as fast then usb
16:15:25	w1ll14m	when using firewire
16:15:27	w1ll14m	as source
16:15:30	DataGhost	my firewire charger says: output 12V 67A
16:15:35	DataGhost	but I guess the . in 67 is faded
16:15:37	DataGhost	I don't see it
16:15:45	w1ll14m	then it's 12 volt
16:15:47	Mikachu	haha, 67A would be something
16:15:47	w1ll14m	:)
16:15:47	bluebrother	Firewire can transfer up to 2A
16:15:51	DataGhost	ooooh
16:15:53	DataGhost	.67A
16:15:53	DataGhost	:D
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16:16:13	bluebrother	at up to 30V (or something similar)
16:16:23	bluebrother	while USB can only provide up to 500mA
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16:16:26	DataGhost	no
16:16:29	w1ll14m	if you could get some battery's running at 12 volt... your ipod will charge fast and can keepupwith the usage
16:16:29	DataGhost	at 30V it can do 1,5A
16:16:38	DataGhost	'up to 45 watts' ^_^
16:16:59	DataGhost	yeah but that would require 10 batteries
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16:17:06	bluebrother	it's been quite a while since I worked with firewire. At "usual" voltages like 12V it can do 2A :)
16:17:09	w1ll14m	my battery was 50% when i took it from usb, 15 mins later is allready 80%
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16:17:12	DataGhost	ok, that would clearly increase the capacity but also the size :P
16:17:21	bluebrother	but yeah, I think there was a maximum power limit
16:17:22	Brunellus	d00t
16:17:28	DataGhost	I might just want to go with AAA instead then :P
16:17:29	bluebrother	w00t
16:17:29	w1ll14m	hehehe
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16:17:32	Soap	DataGhost: there are other ways to increase the voltage.
16:17:34	bluebrother	b00t
16:17:48	w1ll14m	soap: but at the cost of shorter battery life
16:17:59	w1ll14m	from the external battery ;)
16:18:05	DataGhost	well, for now it's doing great imo
16:18:10	Soap	wait! You mean when I increase voltage...amperage must go down?
16:18:23	DataGhost	and still I don't see why watching videos would kill the battery faster
16:18:32	DataGhost	I mean... it can do a full charge in 4 hours
16:18:35	Soap	DataGhost: processing + backlight.
16:18:36	DataGhost	and I can watch video for 6 hours
16:18:40	Mikachu	Soap: you don't magically get energy from increasing the voltage, no :)
16:18:43	bluebrother	if the power is the same, yes
16:18:55	DataGhost	so that means it can charge faster than drain, when just watching video and not skipping like a lunatic
16:19:04	DataGhost	for a few hours
16:19:04	bluebrother	Power = Current * Voltage
16:19:04	DataGhost	:P
16:19:06	*	Soap should have used the <sarcasm> tag.
16:20:10	DataGhost	maybe I should just look up the charger spec or something
16:20:58	DataGhost	with a 600mAh battery that would mean 100mAh drain, with 4 hours charge that's 150mAh charge, so that equals around 50mAh positive
16:21:08	DataGhost	hm. remove the last 3 h's
16:21:30	Soap	you're talking in Apple Firmware where charging is significantly faster than it appears to be when charging in Rockbox.
16:21:39	DataGhost	yes
16:21:42	DataGhost	sorry. :P
16:21:46	DataGhost	I have a 80GB
16:21:50	w1ll14m	then charge in diskmode
16:22:04	w1ll14m	tha's what i do when i don't have much time
16:22:10	Soap	diskmode also appears to be slower than Apple Firmware.
16:22:18	DataGhost	but the battery also appears to drain significantly faster in rockbox, right Soap? :P
16:22:25	DataGhost	I think I see a connection there :)
16:22:27	Soap	DataGhost: yes
16:22:40	w1ll14m	dataghost:true
16:22:41	Soap	no, there is not the connection you appear to suspect.
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16:23:01	DataGhost	it must at least have something to do with it
16:23:03	Soap	two seperate issues - not one.
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16:23:10	DataGhost	or rockbox can be sued for breaking a law
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16:23:45	Soap	rockbox charges slower AND it consumes more power. AND, not BECAUSE.
16:24:08	DataGhost	it's also because but the effect is just applied twice then, I guess :P
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16:26:06	DataGhost	but I was planning a rundown test anyway
16:26:51	DataGhost	I'll just hook up my iPod to my headphone amp without headphones plugged in
16:26:55	DataGhost	so I can sleep tonight :P
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16:34:11	linuxstb_	w1ll14m: Can you go into the "View I/O ports" debug screen, and see what changes when you attach various things to your ipod? For my 5g, GPIO_L changes from A8 to B8 when it's attached to either my PC or the charger via USB.
16:34:16	preglow	woot, from 494 bytes to 336 bytes, and i expect that'll be even better on arm
16:34:18	preglow	not to mention the speed
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16:35:01	linuxstb_	EQ optimisations?
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16:35:39	preglow	linuxstb_: yeah, opts to the coef calculation functions
16:35:56	preglow	linuxstb_: cutting out four out of five 64 bit divisions and using 32x32 bit muls instead
16:36:07	preglow	which should be aeons faster
16:36:36	linuxstb_	Good to have you back :)
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16:37:21	preglow	heh
16:37:26	preglow	won't be back for long today
16:37:27	Lear	Arm only? Or Coldfire too?
16:37:31	preglow	Lear: both
16:37:38	Lear	Goodie. :)
16:37:40	preglow	but arm should feel it the most, having no hardware div at all
16:37:55	Lear	Ouch, then I understand it costs a lot.
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16:39:09	linuxstb_	barrywardel1: At least on both my ipods (Color and Video), charger status can be detected via GPIO.
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16:39:40	linuxstb_	Although I'm not sure if it's telling me "charger inserted" or "battery charging". I think it's the former.
16:40:23	preglow	hrm, i wonder why gcc uses umull for my signed muls
16:41:32	Lear	But otoh, coefs aren't calculated often, are they?
16:42:04	preglow	Lear: nope, but i just couldn't stand looking at the code :>
16:42:26	preglow	gcc seems to do some severely fancy ass shit to my code
16:43:00	preglow	ahh, right
16:43:18	preglow	is there no way to tell gcc you expect a 64 bit result from muling two 32 bit numbers?
16:43:29	preglow	we seem to just cast both args to 64 bit numbers
16:46:01	preglow	haha, adding in the FRACMUL macro from dsp.c cut off a good deal, yes
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17:48:12	barrywardel1	linuxstb:does the gpio not just detect a usb connection of any kind? I mean updating charger_inserted() in power-ipod.c to use your new detecton code.
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17:57:54	Clocks	Greetings
17:58:17	Clocks	Anyone here?
17:58:37	w1ll14m	greetings too clocks
17:58:50	TrueJournals	I'm here...
17:59:07	Clocks	I somewhat expected this to be a more happing place
17:59:15	TrueJournals	sometimes it is
17:59:17	Llorean	Clocks: This is a development and support channel
17:59:25	TrueJournals	depends on day of week, time of day, etc, etc
17:59:43	Clocks	Thats what i'm hoping for Llorean
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18:00:05	w1ll14m	as it's here 18:00 somewhere else it's right now 23:00 ;)
18:00:12	Clocks	Good point
18:00:21	w1ll14m	but, whats up ?
18:00:23	TrueJournals	about 11 over here :-p
18:00:32	w1ll14m	lol
18:00:55	Soap	ok, we've got the time issue sorted out. On with the question Clocks! :)
18:01:01	TrueJournals	lol
18:01:04	TrueJournals	gotta go
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18:01:17	w1ll14m	hehehe cya truejournals
18:01:18	Clocks	"What's up"? My iHP120 is not behaving properly and i'm desperate for advice
18:01:29	Soap	sell it to Soap for $25
18:01:46	w1ll14m	clocks: ok, dhat do you mean by not behaving properly?
18:02:08	w1ll14m	dhat=what**
18:02:10	Clocks	Completely locked up responding to nothing but sitting there with a blank (yet backlit) screen
18:02:29	w1ll14m	is it when rockbox boots?
18:02:35	Llorean	Clocks: Use the reset hole in the bottom.
18:02:39	Clocks	I don't want to sell it ever I want to keep it till the end of time
18:03:09	Clocks	Ahh! reset! bottom? I'm looking right now
18:03:18	*	Soap wanders off muttering about his offers never working. ;)
18:03:33	w1ll14m	lol
18:03:38	Llorean	Clocks: It's a small hole. If you can use a blunted wooden toothpick. Be careful because the button in the hole is hard to find, and can be easy to break if you use something hard or sharp and just jab. Be gentle.
18:03:54	Clocks	Ahah! Your right Llorean. The wonders one finds when you take off the leather case for the first time in years slaps his forehead
18:04:07	w1ll14m	hehehe
18:04:15	Llorean	Clocks: I've tested many things that have frozen my iRiver, I'm quite familiar with that hole. :)
18:04:57	Clocks	Good because this was really distressing me.
18:05:15	w1ll14m	clocks: your player never crashed before ??? :\|
18:05:29	Llorean	w1ll14m: It's really quite stable on the H100/H300 series
18:05:31	Clocks	Well i've never ran RockBox evore :)
18:05:45	Llorean	I'm kinda surprised he managed to crash it just by entering a menu.
18:06:08	Llorean	I'd be curious the whole circumstances around it, but from the forum posting it sounds like he's not wholly sure exactly what triggered it.
18:06:09	Clocks	You read my post. :)
18:06:17	w1ll14m	Llorean: that's nice then :) because i managed it to let my ipod 5g crash by just browsing for mp3 with OF
18:06:23	Soap	Llorean: will the H100 series boot on external power only - or does it require a working battery?
18:06:48	Llorean	Soap: I'm actually not sure. I think that it will, but I'm not sure, I seem to recall reading someone tried it and it worked.
18:06:54	Llorean	Clocks: Believe it or not, I read all posts.
18:07:33	w1ll14m	Llorean: do you sleep?? because i don't have that much time :)
18:07:34	Clocks	Great thanks. I;m trying to find something the right shape right now. I thought i had a paper clip around here somewhere
18:07:56	Llorean	w1ll14m: Usually a whole day's posts only takes me about 30 minutes
18:08:04	Clocks	And your right I don't know how exactly I did it. I was just changing menues around and seeing what was where and it hung up
18:08:09	Llorean	w1ll14m: Not to mention I often read them from my phone while eating lunch, or such.
18:08:19	w1ll14m	Llorean: lol
18:09:00	w1ll14m	Llorean: i just eat my food very fast if something intresting is happening here :)
18:09:09	Llorean	Though with the rate we're growing, very soon I won't be able to keep up any more.
18:09:13	w1ll14m	and make very late nights ;)
18:09:31	w1ll14m	i can understand.... the more ports, the more users :)
18:09:43	w1ll14m	it's nice to see rockbox is growing....
18:09:48	Mikachu	Llorean: maybe you should delegate a bit :)
18:10:10	Llorean	Mikachu: I already do, that's why we have 'experts' and a few actual full mods.
18:10:23	Llorean	But I still like to try to at least read every post, even if it's just a quick skim and on to something else
18:10:24	w1ll14m	i know tons of pleople that just still don't have rockbox and would be better of with rockbox then OF
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18:11:30	Clocks	Victory!
18:11:38	w1ll14m	hehehe
18:11:54	Llorean	Clocks: My first Rockbox player was the H120
18:12:02	Llorean	It's still my favorite
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18:12:21	w1ll14m	rockbox + softeq + hardeq = supreme audio
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18:12:53	Clocks	Every time i think about "upgrading" I find that nothing else is really MORE enough of a player to justify spending any money at all
18:12:57	Llorean	w1ll14m: The soft EQ should be more than enough to compensate for any distortion caused by your headphones.
18:13:13	Llorean	Clocks: There are very few players that are "more" at all, compared to the H120. At least in terms of audio features.
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18:14:21	Clocks	i like to Cowon iAudio if anything else. And have been pondering one. usb OTG allowing me to ad a 40 gig HD to my PSP is pretty sexy
18:16:49	Clocks	Anyway my extreme thanks for your help. I can't believe i didn't think simple enough to assume there would be a reset on it. Its obvious now but I've just had it inside its case for so long I've become somewhat unfamiliar whith what its surface looks like
18:17:06	w1ll14m	Llorean: i adjust everything above 120 hertz -11.0 db then i use 3 bands for the lower frequencies and compensate the high ones with HWeq, may sound stupid or to complicated but the audio sounds better to me that way
18:17:46	Llorean	w1ll14m: So, you're just one of those people who likes a ton of bass, irregardless of what the music's supposed to sound like, gotcha.
18:18:20	w1ll14m	Llorean: that's totaly correct, most of the times hardcore is supposed to have as many bass as there is possible
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18:19:05	Llorean	w1ll14m: You do realize they can master the music to have as much bass as they want, right?
18:20:11	w1ll14m	Llorean: true, but normal earbuds will sound badly with these eq settings i have, but these (normal a little lower bass then usual) sound better with a little more bass then normal
18:20:32	w1ll14m	that's why i love rockbox so much
18:20:43	*	Llorean shrugs
18:20:43	w1ll14m	hehe ;)
18:21:09	w1ll14m	Llorean:http://www.ecat.sony.co.jp/products/picture/large/MDR-EX90LP_JE.jpg
18:21:38	Clocks	Sennheiser all the way for me.
18:21:43	w1ll14m	hehe :)
18:22:17	Clocks	I have no idea if i spelled that right.
18:22:45	w1ll14m	i've used also some sennheiser, but these from sony fits better in my ears
18:23:40	Clocks	Farewell and thank you gentlemen. I appreciate the help even though it was quite trivial.
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19:53:39	mattzz	rocklife.c:(.text.next_generation+0x358): undefined reference to `memcpy'
19:53:43	mattzz	?!
19:54:02	Mikachu	bitrot maybe
19:54:14	mattzz	does n[0] = n[4]; lead to something like this?
19:54:30	*	mattzz is just speeding up rocklife a bit
19:54:43	Mikachu	if you can't code.. :)
19:55:10	Mikachu	at any rate it's hard to help if you don't post your code
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19:55:50	linuxstb_	You'll probably need to implement a wrapper for memcpy which calls rb->memcpy.
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19:57:00	mattzz	I am not using memcpy deliberately. Just assigning single elements of an array. one at each time
19:57:10	linuxstb_	gcc will use it.
19:57:26	mattzz	ok, I will put the code on my server ;)
19:57:34	Mikachu	i think you can use -ffreestanding too
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19:58:43	linuxstb_	You just need to declare something like: void memcpy(void dest, const void *src, size_t n) { return rb->memcpy(dest,src,n); }
19:58:53	Mikachu	your code looks really really slow :)
19:59:45	mattzz	mattzz.dyndns.org/public_stuff/rocklife.c">http://mattzz.dyndns.org/public_stuff/rocklife.c
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20:00:02	mattzz	l. 256
20:00:46	mattzz	linuxstb_: worked!
20:00:49	Mikachu	ah, that looks better
20:01:02	mattzz	I just do not understand, why the compiler wants to use memcpy
20:01:24	linuxstb_	Probably the initialisation of n at the start of the function.
20:01:33	mattzz	argh.
20:01:46	linuxstb_	Just replace it with a call to memset.
20:01:50	linuxstb_	rb->memset
20:01:54	mattzz	yup.
20:02:32	mattzz	Hey, thanks again :-)
20:02:46	Mikachu	i don't know if it's a good idea to do a function call to check every cell
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20:03:06	mattzz	In terms of stack pushing/popping?
20:03:17	mattzz	and speed improvement
20:03:26	Mikachu	since you only use it in one place you could just declare it inline
20:03:34	linuxstb_	gcc may well inline it anyway - it's only called in one place.
20:04:01	linuxstb_	Although it should probably be declared static to enable gcc to do that.
20:04:30	Mikachu	that's enabled at -O3 only says man gcc
20:04:40	Mikachu	and all functions in a plugin should be static :)
20:04:47	Mikachu	(except the entry point)
20:05:17	Mikachu	i wrote a life for gba a long time ago
20:05:56	mattzz	I want to have it fast on my jbr. Sansa is fast enough :-P
20:06:13	Mikachu	http://gentoo.pastebot.ath.cx/10
20:06:58	mattzz	nice
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20:08:00	Mikachu	i have no idea if it's faster or slower than your way, and of course if i wrote it today i wouldn't copy the whole board at the end :)
20:08:45	mattzz	hehe...
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20:11:24	mattzz	so best is to declare all functions of a plugin as static inline?
20:11:43	Mikachu	no, just static
20:11:48	mattzz	but short functions = inline
20:11:52	Mikachu	inline if they're only used once or are short
20:11:58	mattzz	OK, got it
20:12:31	Mikachu	i don't know if it really matters if they're static after the elf stuff is stripped
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21:14:14	mattzz	the h210 has a colour depth of 4?
21:14:25	mattzz	(grey depth)
21:14:38	mattzz	s/h210/h120/
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21:18:23	Genre9mp3	mattzz: it's 2bpp grayscale
21:18:33	Genre9mp3	4 shades of gray that is
21:18:59	mattzz	Genre9mp3: ok, thanks
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21:59:53	phrozen77	hmm
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22:00:40	phrozen77	i dont know if it is worth something but i just found a site for iriver firmwares
22:00:44	phrozen77	http://nyaochi.sakura.ne.jp/iriverupdate/
22:01:41	Genre9mp3	phrozen77: no h100/h300?
22:01:54	phrozen77	no idea, i just stumbled upon that site oO
22:02:24	Genre9mp3	of course there's also rasher.dk/rockbox/iriver-firmwares/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/iriver-firmwares/
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22:09:33	mattzz	new rocklife version out now −−> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6616
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22:17:14	Soap	thank you mattzz
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22:17:50	mattzz	Soap: :)
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22:34:52	BiptoN	does anyone know why we can'
22:35:03	BiptoN	tt enable -Os for arm7 builds?
22:35:18	BiptoN	wouldn't that benefit a little?
22:35:33	Bagder	benefit what?
22:35:50	Bagder	we're already using -O afaik
22:35:53	BiptoN	well that it would create smaller binaries correct?
22:35:59	BiptoN	take less memory
22:36:04	Bagder	but why do we need smaller binaries?
22:36:13	BiptoN	leavin more for other garbage such as audio
22:36:14	BiptoN	no?
22:36:28	Bagder	sure, but I think faster is more important that small on the arm7 targets
22:36:41	BiptoN	aww yes
22:36:48	BiptoN	faster would make more sense
22:36:53	Bagder	thus -O2 or so
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22:37:24	BiptoN	smaller uses less power doesn't it?
22:37:36	Bagder	yes, and so does faster
22:37:58	BiptoN	alrighty than
22:38:14	BiptoN	thank you for the lowdown badger :)
22:38:51	BiptoN	would the -mtune option yield any benefits?
22:39:13	Bagder	it might, I'm not very good on gcc internals
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