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#rockbox log for 2007-02-05

00:00:12 Quit rp- ()
00:01:18 Quit ctaylorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
00:01:19jhMikeSpreglow: I wonder though if any untruthful codecs should be fixed or it's best to just ignore remainders in the size...or both?
00:01:35preglowjhMikeS: i'd say fixed
00:01:51preglowhiding bugs like that is never good
00:01:52Ar53nIt works Llorean!
00:02:03Ar53nu rock =)
00:03:05jhMikeSpreglow: true, could be a beasty thing to find in some codecs. I know flac does it, but what else? I guess I have to make files of every format and test.
00:03:16Hans-Martinbye folks, it's late...
00:03:37Hans-Martinmarkun: thx for the battery connector encouragement :-)
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00:04:49preglowjhMikeS: i've got files of every format, so if you've got a patch or some code for easy testing lying around
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00:07:06jhMikeSpreglow: no patch lying around yet.
00:08:19preglowsure, but lemme know when you do and i can plow through most of the codecs to see
00:08:44linuxstbWhat's the FLAC bug?
00:08:55jhMikeSWell, shouldn't the data be multiples of the sample size? if size % sample_size != 0 ...tis wrong
00:10:04jhMikeSlinuxstb: that flac might be giving the wrong data size to the callback
00:10:54jhMikeSI'm gonna do extra checks to see for sure
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00:11:02linuxstbWhat should it be giving? The size in bytes?
00:12:05barrywardellBiptoN: has the ipod got the same recording screen bug as my H10?
00:12:51preglowlinuxstb: i think so, yes, per channel
00:12:56preglowor something, it always confuses me
00:13:48 Part Llorean's using (fc.blocksize-fc.sample_skip)*4 as the size arg so now I'm confused
00:15:15linuxstbI think that's size in bytes - 4 is sizeof(int_32)
00:15:42linuxstbblocksize is the number of samples in that frame.
00:17:36jhMikeSThe resampler clicking stops if I decrease size in the callback by the amount acually traversed by the pointer and yet convert_to_internal ends up incrementing it by size bytes anyways or should
00:19:06jhMikeSso why's it end up decrementing the size parameter too much and stopping the frame early? that's the dilemma.
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00:21:52Strifewow.. first time a compiled build has worked for without any issues
00:22:06StrifeI didn't even have to disable frequency scaling
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00:24:04barrywardellJdGordon: I'm having a settings problem ;) recscreen_on isn't being set properly. It's always on!
00:24:13barrywardellany ideas?
00:25:01barrywardellJdGordon: try going into the recording screen, then exit it and go into the wps. look at the statusbar and you'll see what I mean
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00:25:57JdGordonworks fine here...
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00:26:15JdGordonsilly questions... your using svn and tryed restting your settings?
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00:27:34barrywardellJdGordon: yes. using svn
00:27:49barrywardellresetting settings fixes it until I go into the recording screen again
00:27:55MonkeyTamerIt would seem that the committed patch for USB detection works well on the ipod color
00:28:22JdGordonbarrywardell: which target? or all (not that it really should make a difference :'( )
00:28:33barrywardellH10 is the only one I've tested on
00:28:53JdGordonoh wait, im not using svn.... i may have broken that with the reset changes
00:29:11barrywardella look at the config file shows recscreen_on being on.
00:29:33DerPapstping linuxstb
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00:31:45barrywardellJdGordon: ah. was that 12172?
00:31:59linuxstbDerPapst: Ping.
00:32:12JdGordonbarrywardell: which?
00:32:24JdGordonI tried svn on my h300 and there is no problem :(
00:32:31barrywardellthe changes you were talking about.
00:32:38barrywardellwere they revision 12171?
00:32:54DerPapsthi linuxstb. i saw the changes to ipodpatcher... but in #ipl is someone who wasn't able to compile it on osx
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00:33:21linuxstbDerPapst: OK, let me try (I'm on my ibook at the moment).
00:33:26JdGordon12172 sorry
00:33:34DerPapstok :)
00:35:23barrywardellJdGordon: daily build from 31-1-07 works fine
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00:37:05DerPapstlinuxstb: also cygwin complains about compiling ipodpatcher. it compiles without problem in linux.
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00:37:25JdGordonbarrywardell: ok, thats what i was afraid off :p it must have been 12172 then, dunno how
00:38:11barrywardellJdGordon: build from 2-feb also works fine, so maybe not 12172
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00:40:35JdGordoni dont know why the stausbar would stay wrong in the wps, but maybe the settings are not being saved after leaving the rec screen?
00:40:40LinusNhmmm, looks like the 5249 on this device doesn't like when PLLDIV==0
00:40:51JdGordonbut thats odd, because I should be able to reproduce it then but i cant
00:41:42barrywardellJdGordon: It might be a low battery after all. settings don't get saved if the battery is low, right?
00:42:05preglowLinusN: outletmp3?
00:42:22linuxstbDerPapst: Fix commited, thanks for reporting.
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00:42:26*jhMikeS wants everything done in samples for simplicity
00:42:27JdGordonbarrywardell: yeah, i think so
00:42:43DerPapstlinuxstb: thanks :)
00:43:06LinusNpreglow: looks like i have a fix now :-)
00:43:15barrywardellJdGordon: in that case, I'll charge a bit and see if I still get the problem
00:43:34barrywardellsorry for the false alarm!
00:44:06JdGordon:) hopefully that is it
00:45:38preglowjhMikeS: me too
00:45:42jhMikeSLinusN: What "weird" device is it?
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00:46:11preglowoutletmp3 sold a bunch of h140 players that were obviously from a pretty late batch from iriver
00:46:14LinusNit's the batch that came from outletmp3 that refused to run rockbox
00:46:25preglowcontains a coldfire with a pll that doesn't want to behave
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00:46:41jhMikeSah. I got my H120 from them but it behaves
00:47:07*preglow again has the feeling he should buy another h1x0 in case this one breaks :/
00:48:20*LinusN listens to music on the silly device
00:48:43*XavierGr is itching to buy an F60
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00:48:47jhMikeSwhoo hoo!
00:49:05jhMikeSthat's all it was, PLLDIV?
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00:51:19XavierGrpreglow: but yeah you are right, having a backup unit is of great importance with H100s
00:51:44XavierGrI am glad that I have 2 H100s and 1 H300 just in case :)
00:54:01directhexXavierGr, thumbs up for the gigabeat port, if you feel a burning desire to buy an f60
00:54:19preglowyeah, a gigabeat would be fun...
00:54:21directhexthough don't confuse a burning desire for an mp3 player with a burning desire for the toilet. they're caused by different things
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00:54:40directhexitching feelings usually happen with the latter, not the former
00:54:42XavierGrdirecthex: yeah I just lost a great deal on ebay cause the lousy seller refused to ship it in Greece
00:55:16JdGordonXavierGr: should of got it shipped to someone in the channel and have them ship t to you....
00:55:23XavierGrdirecthex: sorry but here it can have both meaning :P
00:55:38barrywardellmidgey: rockboy_clean4 doesn't compile for h10
00:55:45XavierGrJdGordon: never thought of that, but ehm shouldn't be that a lot of hassle?
00:55:59JdGordonnot if its a good deal
00:56:17jhMikeSwhat's the big danger with the h100s now, besides the charger dangers?
00:56:17XavierGrwell an F60 just got sold for 99$
00:56:35directhexjhMikeS, they're as ugly as sin?
00:56:46XavierGrdirecthex: I completely disagree
00:57:02XavierGrH100 are very beautiful devices
00:57:09jhMikeSdirecthex: mine's black and looks pretty good imho
00:57:23linuxstbbarrywardell: Are you able to create a new ipodpatcher Mac OS X binary?
00:57:23XavierGrI actually prefer H100 looks from H300
00:57:52barrywardelllinuxstb: not right now. my mac is being repaired :(
00:58:46linuxstbOK :(
00:59:09linuxstbI guess it's about time I upgraded to the current xcode...
00:59:17DerPapsthmm... cygiwn still refuses to build ipodpatcher... ^^
00:59:56jhMikeSpreglow: what do h100's have a tendency to "just break"?
01:00:16XavierGrjhMikeS: No, they are very durable
01:00:33XavierGrjhMikeS: it is just the fear of being left without them :P
01:00:45*DerPapst blames cygwin ;)
01:00:47barrywardellyup. my battery overheated so I had to send it back for repair :(
01:01:10barrywardelllinuxstb: upgrading xcode is easy if you can handle the ~800MB download
01:01:11jhMikeSXavierGr: hehe. well, I just seem to pick up on so much worry but I think I understand that one.
01:01:26Arathisbarrywardell: Is the H10 able to connect to the pc through rockbox or will it allways be "emergency connection"?
01:01:46linuxstbbarrywardell: I guess I need to login to the ADC website though?
01:01:47*jhMikeS wishes he had replicator technology
01:01:51barrywardellArathis: I'm working on a USB mode. making some progress, but it's slow
01:02:06barrywardelllinuxstb: yes I think you need to sign up for it, but it's free
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01:02:56linuxstbDerPapst: I can give you a windows binary if you want, I'm about to make a release of 0.6
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01:03:39SoapFWIW, I'll gladly play shipping proxy in the future. (located in the USA)
01:03:49directhexwho's the main powers behind the gigabeat port?
01:04:05amiconnDerPapst: You *can* build ipodpatcher on cygwin, but you need to patch the Makefile manually, and then use 'make ipodpatcher.exe' instead of just 'make'
01:04:07preglowLinusN: so, does the PLLDIV restriction really matter?
01:04:13DerPapstlinuxstb: thanks... but i think i'll better not try to compile it with cygwin :)
01:04:33DerPapstamiconn: i made that already
01:05:05LinusNpreglow: not really, we just have to recalcutate the PLL settings. I have already committed a fix.
01:05:11BiptoNbarrywardell: i don't know what the recording screen on the h10 looks like
01:05:13LinusNrecalculate even
01:05:24BiptoNbarrywardell: looks the same on my x5 though i believe
01:05:39barrywardellBiptoN: i think i've figured out the problem - low battery!
01:05:52linuxstbLinusN or Bagder_: Could you update the contents of with the linux and win32 binaries in ?
01:05:58amiconnDerPapst: You pastebin doesn't look like you did...
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01:07:19DerPapstamiconn: the makefile:
01:07:24linuxstbIt's possible my changes have broken compiling ipodpatcher under cygwin...
01:07:47BiptoNbarrywardell: the noise? i get it with 100% battery life
01:07:56BiptoNmaybe old battery?
01:08:07barrywardellBiptoN: no, a different recording screen problem
01:08:33amiconnDerPapst: That should work, although you did change more than necessary (and your version doesn't strip the binary)
01:08:51amiconnAh, no, I see what you forgot
01:09:08amiconnYou need to add -mno-cygwin to the gcc line
01:10:01DerPapstok.. i'll try that.
01:11:01DerPapsthmmm.. it still complaines
01:12:03amiconnWorks fine here, I just tried it
01:12:28barrywardellJdGordon: I think it was the battery. I must have entered the recording screen before it was below the critical level, then exited it after
01:13:39amiconnDerPapst: What I did are 3 steps: (1) Open tools/ipodpatcher/Makefile, and remove the 'i586-mingw32msvc-' prefix from lines 7 and 8
01:14:05amiconn(2) insert 'mno-cygwin between 'gcc' and '-Wall'
01:14:33amiconn(3) Change into apps/tools/ipodpatcher and type 'make ipodpatcher.exe'
01:14:56amiconnSorry, -mno-cygwin
01:15:07DerPapstheh.. ok
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01:15:34DerPapstwoked ;) thanks. the "make ipodpatcher.exe" was the problem
01:15:39amiconnA bit hackish, but it works
01:15:56*amiconn wonders whether it'd be possible to detect cygwin within the Makefile
01:16:21linuxstbA simple solution would be to just add a Makefile.cygwin
01:16:43amiconnOr a special target within the makefile
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01:22:20linuxstbamiconn, DerPapst: Does the OSTYPE environment variable exist in cygwin?
01:22:47amiconnYes it does, just tried it
01:22:54amiconn$ echo $OSTYPE
01:24:17*jhMikeS wonders if the problem may have to do with interleaved vs. noninterleaved audio :\
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01:26:26preglowi always wanted to get rid of interleaved audio, heh
01:26:39preglowbut i met some resistance
01:28:03JdGordonbarrywardell: ok :)
01:28:31linuxstbamiconn: How about something like ?
01:28:33jhMikeSpreglow: the noninterleaved flac codec's the one giving me pains! :)
01:28:49Soul-Slaye1I find it interesting Apple are selling Valentines Day ipods with your choice of engraved message on it o.0...
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01:29:03saratogahow much IRAM does teh Sansa have?
01:29:05amiconnlinuxstb: Haha, I've come up with a similar solution :)
01:29:13amiconnJust that I also redefine the default target
01:29:23amiconnI am lazy; want to just type 'make' ;)
01:29:36linuxstbAh, I guess that makes sense as well. Feel free to commit your version.
01:29:40dan_asaratoga: IIRC 128kB, but we only use 96kB at the moment
01:30:31preglowjhMikeS: a couple of other codecs use that as well, most notable wavpack
01:30:41preglowjhMikeS: oh
01:30:50preglowjhMikeS: most codecs use non-interleaved audio
01:31:14preglowjhMikeS: btw, i believe the size parameter has a different meaning depending on whether audio is interleaved or not
01:31:49preglowi seem to remember some off by a factor of two error i had
01:32:01saratogadan_a: thats what I though. Why only 96kb?
01:32:41dan_asaratoga: Because that's what the PP5020s have, and I've been too lazy to change it ;)
01:32:44jhMikeSpreglow: it's per channel so playback.c does a *2
01:33:09LinusNlinuxstb: i have replaced bootloader/ipodpatcher/linux32x86/ipodpatcher
01:33:17amiconnlinuxstb: Is there a reason why the linux build doesn't strip?
01:33:27LinusNand win32/ipodpatcher.exe
01:34:12linuxstb_amiconn: No, you can add it.
01:34:17linuxstb_LinusN: Thanks.
01:34:25saratogadan_a: wheres it defined?
01:34:42saratogaI'm trying to get a feel for how this works since i'm running into it with the sansa emulator
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01:35:12Soul-Slaye1Are iPod 4g's dual bootable?
01:35:13jhMikeSI guess wavpack and mpa should make a good test
01:35:41DerPapstall ipods are dual bootable
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01:36:51linuxstb_Soul-Slaye1: In theory, yes. But the current version of the bootloader and/or ipodpatcher is causing problems with starting the original firmware on the 4g, so if you want to dual-boot, then follow the old install instructions and use the old bootloader.
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01:37:25Soul-Slaye1Hmm, ok
01:37:28Soul-Slaye1Thank you
01:37:50saratogaoh found it
01:37:50dan_asaratoga: In the various .lds files. Half the 96kB is allocated in firmware/, and half in apps/plugins/ (if I understand correctly.) It is also referred to in playback.c
01:37:56DerPapstwhat is the difference between the new and the old loader? the 8byte header that ipodpatcher expects?
01:38:32saratogathanks, I'll play around with those settings on the emulator
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01:39:28amiconnlinuxstb: Hmm, the variable seems to be invisible in 'make', although it exists in the shell...
01:39:34linuxstbDerPapst: Recent versions of the Rockbox bootloader have a different startup sequence which allows us to use the COP in Rockbox.
01:39:57Mikachuamiconn: did you export it?
01:40:14amiconnIt's a predefined variable...
01:40:15preglowman, i've got a ferocious latency in the sim now
01:40:18preglowseveral seconds
01:40:31LinusNnite all
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01:40:42preglowamiconn: btw, how does the sim work on your amd64 box now? mine seems to crash when trying to play two tracks with the same codec after each other
01:40:50preglowamiconn: mp3 still doesn't work
01:41:04amiconnI know that mp3 doesn't work, since nobody fixed it
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01:41:28amiconnI usually don't play music in the sim, so I don't know about the same-codec problem
01:41:50amiconnHeck, I don't even use my swcodec targets often
01:42:00preglowas you so often like to point out ;)
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01:47:06amiconnlinuxstb: Here's my solution for cygwin detection:
01:47:09amiconnifeq ($(findstring CYGWIN,$(shell uname)),CYGWIN)
01:47:20amiconnIt works...
01:47:51linuxstbI get the same problem with the OSTYPE variable not being visible inside the Makefile in Linux...
01:49:26linuxstbAh, it seems OSTYPE is a built-in shell variable, which is why it isn't exported...
01:50:52linuxstbAnd others have suggested a solution similar to you - "shell uname"
01:51:12Mikachuuname gives Linux, but OSTYPE is linux-gnu, here
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01:51:48Mikachu$(shell echo $OSTYPE) is one fork less if you care :)
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01:52:01amiconnThis is just a combination of what is used in the plugin makefiles and configure
01:52:03Mikachu(probably needs double dollar signs)
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01:52:36linuxstbThere's no need for speed in the ipodpatcher makefile...
01:52:50amiconnThe plugin makefiles check the UNAME variable exported from the toplevel makefile, and UNAME is set from uname in configure
01:55:22amiconnHmpf. Now I have a conflict in system-iriver.c :/
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02:11:12amiconnlinuxstb: I now have a new ipodpatcher binary for linux-amd64
02:11:53preglowwoot, warnings
02:12:09preglowof course
02:12:30preglowi wonder if that 64 bit divide is even really necessary there
02:17:15linuxstbamiconn: Thanks. Can you try and catch Bagder's attention in the morning?
02:17:37linuxstbAnyone around that knows how to use xcode to build a universal binary?
02:18:02amiconnlinuxstb: You could update the copyright notice. It still says 2006
02:18:30linuxstbYes, I noticed that... I suppose I should.
02:20:38linuxstbamiconn: Committed.
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02:22:05preglowah, now that's something i don't think of too often myself
02:22:08webguest32hello, hows everyone workin on that 2nd gen nano firmware crackin! :)
02:22:16preglowwebguest32: there are any?
02:22:31webguest32there are some developers workin on it
02:22:40preglowreally, now
02:22:45preglowthey must be hiding well
02:22:47webguest32any one cracked the firmware yet?
02:22:53preglowwell, you tell me
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02:22:58preglowyou seem to know more
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02:27:57pixelmaXavierGr: around?
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02:29:12preglowthere are still some broken gccs around, i see
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02:45:36zej #linux-mips
02:47:03DerPapstbetter would be somethoing like:
02:47:05DerPapstmsg nickserv identify blabla123
02:48:27zeand then it was the wrong channel too :p
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02:55:17DerPapstgood night :)
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04:06:12argonelwhy would a register on the DAC control system power?
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04:32:43blarggmaybe the DAC system had a free I/O pin that they could connect to power
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04:39:44argonelsneakums: i'll buy that :p
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05:29:30conanswimfasthow do you change the backdrop without changing the theme
05:29:34conanswimfastis that possible
05:36:47JdGordonhold down select over any .bmp in the .rockbox folder and choose set as backdrop
05:36:53JdGordonor use the menu to clear backdrop
05:38:04conanswimfastawesome thanks
05:38:11conanswimfastthey should add that to the faq
05:38:32JdGordonit probably is
05:38:38JdGordon.... in the manualk
05:38:45conanswimfasti looked thouroughly
05:38:51conanswimfastor so i thought
05:38:58conanswimfastmaybe not good enough
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05:46:59conanswimfastDoes anyone know why the video sync is so hard to do
05:47:09conanswimfastin mpegplayer
05:47:45conanswimfastive been messing with the code and it seems like it wouldnt be too hard to sync the av with the system clock
05:47:57conanswimfastespecially if the code is allready there for the audio
05:48:13JdGordonlinuxstb is the mpegplayer man...
05:48:22JdGordonhe's asleep now i would assume
05:48:56conanswimfastokay, well it just seems like it wouldnt be that hard if the audio is already synced
05:49:03conanswimfastto just implement the same code
05:53:16JdGordonso give it a try and let us know how it goes....?
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05:56:58conanswimfastwell i tried to impliment the volume up and down
05:57:04conanswimfastand i got that, so
05:57:11conanswimfastthats a small simple step
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06:38:47SkramXuhmmm... weird.
06:39:00SkramXrockbox bootloader takes me to apple's interface
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07:03:54daurnimatorit picks at random between rockbox and the real firmware
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07:06:23decayedcellit shouldn't do that though...
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07:10:51JdGordondamn uni, they wont let me renew a book ive had out since december :p
07:12:11daurnimatorJdGordon: yo
07:16:32JdGordonnot much
07:16:38JdGordonfark it was hot today
07:16:46JdGordonhows school going? :D
07:16:52daurnimatorboring as fuck
07:16:54JdGordonyour yr12 now ye?
07:16:55daurnimatori know it al
07:17:02JdGordongood luck
07:20:17daurnimatorhows your iriver?
07:20:56JdGordongoing good... i want to finsh this menu patch so we can swap players
07:21:21*JdGordon is getting food, brb
07:22:02w1ll14mmorning all
07:23:25w1ll14mi think i'm dying or something like that
07:23:35daurnimatoryou'tr already dead!
07:23:37w1ll14msuch a great pain...
07:23:49w1ll14mit's my right thumb....
07:25:17daurnimatorstop typing then?
07:25:40w1ll14mhehe i'm allready typing only with my left hand ;)
07:26:28w1ll14mgotta go to the doctor again today.... it feels like it's exploding....
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07:59:42daurnimatorJdGordon: what meny thing you working on?
08:00:51juxtaphey, wasn't the commercial release date supposed to be last year sometime?
08:01:38scorche...of what?
08:02:25scorchenot sure what you mean by *commercial* release date
08:03:08JdGordonnot sure what you mean by "the" :D
08:03:15JdGordondaurnimator: just the settings/menu stuff atm
08:03:39daurnimatorwhat will the patch DO?
08:03:57scorchebesides mess things up? =P
08:04:02JdGordonsimplify and unify the way menus are coded
08:04:03juxtapstable release to the "public" −− shit i don't know, it's what i read on the website long ago...
08:04:06JdGordonand that ^ :D
08:05:06scorchejuxtap: long ago, we had a date, but we have since reduced the importance of releases and refuse to give out dates on anything ;)
08:05:41juxtapswell then
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09:01:30linuxstb_Bagder_: Can you update the version of ipodpatcher on with ?
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09:01:46linuxstb_Plus a new set of ipod bootloaders -
09:03:01webguest80does anyone know if Rockbox will work with my Archos AV400?
09:03:09linuxstb_No it won't.
09:03:42linuxstb_Do you know ?
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09:11:35LinusNlinuxstb: did i do anything wrong when i uploaded it last night?
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09:13:40linuxstb_LinusN: Yes, you didn't predict that I would make a change to it... :) Do you mind updating them again?
09:14:26linuxstb_And the bootloaders, which now have your nice human-readablle error messages.
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09:16:28LinusNlinuxstb_: done
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09:18:48linuxstb_LinusN: Thanks.
09:18:56decayedcelllinuxstb_ does it still say <ERR><Xnil> if it doesn't know what partitions there are when you do ipodpatcher −−scan ?
09:18:56LinusNyou're welcome
09:19:39linuxstb_decayedcell: I never knew it ever did... So it probably still does.
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09:22:58linuxstb_LinusN: You left the file in the download dir...
09:23:08LinusNyes i did
09:23:23linuxstb_The other zip files contain the source (from before it was in CVS).
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10:50:44*linuxstb offers everyone more coffee
10:52:15GodEaterdo you supply it intravenously ?
10:52:27linuxstbHappy to oblige.
10:53:36Genre9mp3linuxstb: can I have it on rstp encapsulation please?.. thanks
10:53:53pixelmayummy... delicious virtual coffee :)
10:54:20*Genre9mp3 shakes it to make frappe out of it
10:54:26linuxstbWhat do you mean "virtual" ? It tastes real to me...
10:55:49GodEater<starbucks speak>venti skinny wet extra shot latte vanilla syrup to take away please</starbucks speak>
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11:01:00GodEaterofftopic, but with a point to it : has anyone successfully used corkscrew to tunnel ssh over https through a microsoft ISA server ?
11:01:11GodEater(I want to get at the svn repository properly from work)
11:01:53LinusNi haven't used corkscrew for ages
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11:01:59BagderISA as in NTLM, is it?
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11:02:21Bagderas plain CONNECT is done by putty etc built-in these days
11:02:34GodEaterour ISA isn't authenticating
11:02:39GodEaterso NTLM isn't a factor
11:02:49Bagderthen try putty
11:02:51w1ll14mGodEater: try putty to ssh tunnel
11:02:58w1ll14mBadger: lol :)
11:03:26GodEaterthe only thing is - our ISA won't accept CONNECTs going to non HTTPS ports
11:03:42GodEateras far as I can tell
11:03:56Bagderright, you need a ssh server on port 443 on the outside
11:03:59w1ll14mGodEater: Let sshd run at port 443 (ISA thinks its https)
11:04:05GodEaterI thought I'd set that up at home
11:04:10w1ll14mbadger: again to late ;)
11:04:11Bagdernow, is there an echo in here? ;-)
11:04:14GodEaterbut I'm getting connection closed by remote host
11:04:24w1ll14mbadber: echo :)
11:04:25Bagderw1ll14m: again YOU were too late on my side
11:04:38GodEaterand I can't work out if that's from the ISA server, or from my router at home
11:04:39w1ll14mBadger: lol
11:05:06w1ll14mGodEater: with this trick i can also get around the proxy we used at work
11:05:15w1ll14malso behind isa
11:05:39GodEaterheh - also, putty isn't availble for linux last time I looked ;)
11:05:41w1ll14mthen i use putty to tunnel my private proxy :)
11:05:58w1ll14mlinux you van use ssh and stuff... let me search :)
11:06:14GodEateryeah - that's why I mentioned corkscrew
11:06:22Bagdercorkscrew should work
11:06:55GodEaterBagder: do me a favour? try to connect to my build server as rbclient but on port 443 ?
11:07:00GodEaterand let me know if it works
11:07:09GodEaterif it doesn't I know I buggered up the router config
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11:07:25GodEaterit if does I'm doing something wrong here
11:07:31w1ll14mssh -X -f username@remotehost -N -L [localport]:remotehost:[remote port]
11:07:32GodEateror the ISA guys are cleverer than me
11:07:57w1ll14mthat should be availible at every linux distro
11:08:10w1ll14mit binds just like putty does
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11:08:26GodEaterw1ll14m: where's the proxy in there ?
11:08:45w1ll14mproxy is defined in ~/.ssh/conf
11:08:51linuxstbdecayedcell: Are you around?
11:08:58decayedcelllinuxstb *nods*
11:09:53w1ll14m ProxyCommand connect -S %h %p
11:09:59linuxstbdecayedcell: I noticed your bootloader tests with the COP patch - how did you install the bootloaders? Did you use the new ipodpatcher or the old ipod_fw method?
11:10:10decayedcelllatest 0.6
11:10:16decayedcellfor all of them
11:10:16w1ll14mthath should create your access to proxy
11:10:32linuxstbdecayedcell: Ah, so ipodpatcher successfully installs loader2?
11:10:37BagderGodEater: it doesn't connect
11:10:42decayedcelllinuxstb sure does :D
11:10:42linuxstb(on the 4g greyscale and 2nd gen mini)
11:10:46w1ll14mIn your case leave -S away
11:10:50GodEaterbroken router config then - I'll have to pop home at lunchtime
11:10:55GodEaterthank you for trying
11:11:07decayedcellloader2 boots into the original firmware on both 4G and 2G Mini
11:11:37linuxstbdecayedcell: That's interesting, because when dan_a tried both current bootloader and the old bootloader with ipodpatcher on his 4g, both failed to load the original firmware.
11:12:24linuxstbCould you try this bootloader with ipodpatcher (you need the -ab option)?
11:12:49decayedcellboth (Rockbox) bootloaders fail on the 4G - this is from a previous attempt
11:12:55w1ll14mGoedEater, another nice trick for proxy is
11:12:58w1ll14mexport HTTP_PROXY="ip:port"
11:13:07w1ll14mssh -H -X -f username@remotehost -N -L [localport]:remotehost:[remote port]
11:13:56decayedcelllinuxstb I did some testing with barrywardell earlier, and it appears that his unification is not the culprit, so you can rule that out
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11:14:51linuxstbI'm more interested in seeing if ipodpatcher is at fault - i.e. are there bootloaders which work with the old ipod_fw install method, but don't work with ipodpatcher 0.6?
11:15:06GodEaterw1ll14m: that won't work - I've buggered up my router config at home
11:15:30linuxstbThere seems to be issues with both ipodpatcher and the COP-enabled Rockbox bootloader, so I'm trying to isolate the ipodpatcher problems.
11:15:47linuxstb(on the 4g/mini/mini2g only)
11:16:07decayedcelllinuxstb I'm not sure, but I could probably test on the 4G tomorrow (I can get my hands on my friend's)
11:16:22decayedcelldid dan_a have any success with ipod_fw and the new bootloader?
11:16:29linuxstbNo, I don't think so.
11:16:48*GodEater finds there's a SOCKS proxy on the network too
11:17:16decayedcellhmm well I have a 2G Mini plugged into my computer at the moment, give me a sec and I'll try the old ipod_fw method
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11:18:32LinusNjust curious here, does the last usb/charger detection patch stay on rockbox when a charger is attached?
11:21:46barrywardellyes, rockbox acts as if nothing happened. it should probably make charger_inserted() report true, but doesn't yet
11:22:10LinusNif so, do we know for a fact that the charging is entirely done in hardware?
11:25:50decayedcelllinuxstb do you want the new or old bootloader tested with the old patcher
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11:27:40w1ll14mGodEater: maybe you can use it when router is fixxed again :)
11:28:23barrywardellLinusN: i think people were reporting the battery level going up with it
11:28:49LinusNbarrywardell: oh, i'm sure it is, the question is if it stops in time
11:29:49decayedcell - uh oh its Le broken
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11:32:55LinusNdecayedcell: "Le broken"?
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11:33:13decayedcellthe link is broken... I can't download the old ipodpatcher to test
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11:34:41LinusNi thought that file was not to be used
11:35:19LinusNso i deleted it
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11:36:51decayedcellhmm linuxstb - options?
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11:45:09amiconnLinusN: I've built the current ipodpatcher for linux-amd64. Where should I send it in order to put it on
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11:55:21Genre9mp3How can a new plugin (only a new .c file) return error on current svn while it doesn't used to return error before?
11:56:16markunGenre9mp3: can you be more specific?
11:56:24GodEateryeah, like what's the error ?
11:56:48Genre9mp3too many arguments to function
11:57:09Genre9mp3the error is while compiling
11:57:27markunwell, probably someone (amiconn) has changed the parameters of some functions
11:57:39markunso now you are getting an error
11:58:59Genre9mp3hmm.. ok... so I have to adapt the plugin to the new parameters then
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12:01:25Genre9mp3"Removed 'mode' parameter from creat()" that's probably the change that affected it
12:01:27pregloweh, why would replaygain be broken by this?
12:01:34Genre9mp3thanks markun
12:02:42markunpreglow: I read a forum post about it, did you verify?
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12:03:03preglowno, i just got online now
12:03:53preglownow i just need some replaygain files
12:04:15markunI haven't updated yet
12:04:31markunpreglow: install vorbisgain
12:05:13preglowi found some musepack files
12:05:18preglowand it seems like replaygain is working here
12:05:32napoleonwhen trying to play mpg files on my sadisk e200 using rockbox , it says Buffering and gets i doing something wrong or does the program doesnt support mpg yet?
12:05:40markunpreglow: maybe in combination with the software eq?
12:06:10preglowi am using the eq
12:07:11preglowreplaygain works just fine for me
12:07:23markunpreglow: btw any idea why there is a "Work around bug in get_replaygain_int" in dsp.c?
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12:07:31preglowand good, since there's absolutely no reason it shouldn'Ã
12:07:34markuninstead of for example a fix in get_replaygain_int
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12:07:57preglowmarkun: dunno, lately i even think i've seen a fix for it there
12:08:46preglowright, he's in ipod
12:08:51preglowi better test it on ipod too, then
12:09:16preglowat least the chance is somewhat bigger of it being broken there
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12:10:28preglowbad time too, i've got too go soon
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12:13:59LinusNamiconn: send it to me, or give me an url
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12:15:46GodEaternapoleon: unless I've missed something recently, the sansa doesn't support playing *anything* yet
12:16:04preglowlinuxstb: does the 5g emit nasty loud pops when turning on too?
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12:18:11preglowmarkun: works on my nano too
12:18:50markunpreglow: ok, I'll update and try it myself
12:19:41markunonly have the Gigabeat here
12:20:07preglowwell, i've tested both h120 and nano, and both places replaygain work
12:20:19napoleonwhere can i get info about recent updates?
12:20:25preglowwhich is nice, because i didn't even touch the replaygain code, and most of the macros i moved are unmodified
12:20:28markunnapoleon: frontpage
12:20:31preglowthe ones replgaygain use are all unmodified
12:21:41markunnapoleon: but there you will find all the svn commits, don't know if you are interested in that.
12:21:54markunnapoleon: for only the big changes you can check:
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12:22:27napoleonoki thanx guys
12:23:08markunBagder: is there a link somewhere to the MajorChanges wiki page?
12:23:22GodEaterI imagine that as soon as dan_a gets sound working on the sansa there will be a prominent notice about it on the front page
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12:24:23Bagdermarkun: from the front page
12:24:32GodEaterthe obligatory "Gentlemen, we have sound." no doubt :)
12:25:01markunBagder: oops, missed that :)
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12:26:52linuxstbdecayedcell_: The file should contain the ipodpatcher.exe that LinusN deleted.
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12:28:38linuxstbLinusN: Could you restore the ipodpatcher.exe from that zip file? The new ipodpatcher still has problems with some ipods (4g greyscale and both minis) so we advise people to use the old install method with the old ipodpatcher, so it's linked from a few places.
12:28:59linuxstb(or Bagder...)
12:29:11LinusNlinuxstb: done
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12:30:56JdGordonhey all
12:31:14JdGordonanyone had a chance to look at my menu patch on the ml?
12:31:43linuxstbpreglow: Yes, I've just tested and get a click when the 5g turns on (I normally put my headphones on after turning on, so don't notice).
12:32:02LinusNJdGordon: no, not yet
12:32:42JdGordonback in 3 min.. gotta reboot
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12:33:09preglowlinuxstb: i get several, closely spaced
12:33:30linuxstbI just get one "clean" pop.
12:33:46linuxstbThe 5g has a different DAC to the Nano though.
12:33:58linuxstbThe Nano is the same as the 4G and Color/Photo IIRC.
12:34:17linuxstbLet me listen to my Photo.
12:35:42preglowone pop, followed up by smaller pops closely spaced
12:35:58preglowright, right, i thought the 5g and nano shared a dac
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12:39:03Bagderto enable people to mess around ever worse ;-)
12:39:08Bagdereven even
12:39:12markunpreglow: replaygain works fine here too
12:40:37JdGordonBagder: there is a typo in that page... it says a link to ic2.bin (it actually links to i2c.bin tho)
12:41:35amiconnlinuxstb: ping...
12:41:49LinusNamiconn: firewall from hell
12:42:34preglowLinusN: most people just go for norton or windows firewall, you know
12:42:45*decayedcell_ reboots into windows to try old ipodpatcher
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12:42:56preglowbut you had to pick the firewall from hell
12:43:00LinusNpreglow: aren't those from hell?
12:43:03preglowLinusN: good point
12:43:28preglowmarkun: goodie, i'll just leave for now and assume it's all in order, then
12:43:47markunok, have fun
12:44:22preglowmarkun: seems to original poster suddenly found a lot more wrong with his build too...
12:44:31preglowto/the, bleh
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12:46:33*w1ll14m takes another antibiotics pill that means no beer for some days :(
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12:48:48decayedcelllinuxstb, the instructions point to a .bin loader. I have a compiled .ipod loader. Will that matter
12:48:49w1ll14mhehehe thanx jdGordon
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12:51:08*decayedcell takes it as a no and hopes for the best
12:52:04linuxstbdecayedcell: Look in the bootloader subdirectory in your build dir.
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12:55:00decayedcellwell it just hangs at the rockbox logo
12:55:09decayedcellno wait it works
12:55:23decayedcelljust takes longer than the new bootloader + patcher
12:55:42decayedcellcop is working correctly
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12:56:07decayedcellresets whilst loading original firmware
12:56:28decayedcellit must be the bootloader then
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13:03:36linuxstbamiconn: pong...
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13:16:43amiconnlinuxstb: Sorry, I meant to ping LinusN. Too many lin<TAB> nick error...
13:19:04daurnimatorJdGordon: ping
13:19:57amiconnLinusN: Charging of LiIon/LiPoly batteries must be done in hardware. Everything else would be too dangerous
13:21:30amiconnLinusN: This PLLDIV thing is strange...
13:21:38LinusNamiconn: very strange
13:22:43LinusNamiconn: the pcf50606 still needs to be set up for the charging mode etc, doesn't it?
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13:24:35JdGordonsup daurnimator ?
13:25:40JdGordon <- topgear guy having fun with guns and cars :)
13:25:46daurnimatorJdGordon: just wondering when you wanna do this swappy thing..
13:26:18LloreanJdGordon: You do know that PMs exist, right?
13:26:54JdGordonLlorean: that was for everyones entertainment...
13:29:37GodEaterhas anyone else used the voicebox script to generate directory/filename voice clips recently ?
13:29:48LloreanNot in a long, long time.
13:30:07GodEaterI'm not sure it's working properly - it seems to return in nothing flat when I use it
13:31:39GodEateryes - it's not generated anything in directories I've added since the last time I used it
13:31:58GodEaterI assume it's not an offically supported bit of software?
13:36:50LloreanI think it's semi-official. Not really supported, but it's what we recommend people use. I'm not sure.
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13:47:33GodEaterhmm - I think it's broken because it doesn't appear to init a voice anymore
13:48:14GodEaterwhich would explain a lot - it was last modified in Nov.
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13:54:54GodEaterconfirmed - the new version of voicebox (at the bottom of VoiceHowto in the wiki) is broken - but the old one (linked in the middle of the page) works just fine.
13:55:17LloreanGodEater: That's... weird. What's the new one supposed to have fixed?
13:55:56GodEaterno idea
13:56:06GodEaterbut it's actually removed all the SAPI calls from the code
13:56:10GodEaterso it doesn't nothing at all
13:56:26LloreanSo, it looks like its _purpose_ is to not work?
13:56:43GodEaterpossibly ;)
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13:57:23GodEateralso - the tip in the wiki page about changing the language id doesn't appear to work.
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13:57:45GodEaterI tried going for "British English", and Voicebox then told me I had no speech installed
13:57:55GodEaterso I had to go back to American English
13:59:21LloreanGodEater: You have to have Voices specifically for those languages installed.
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13:59:35GodEaterThat would be why then =/
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14:02:28pondlifeLinusN: Hi, I saw your comment correction to the H300 USB charging. I take it this means the debug menu code is wrong in reading GPOOD0 from 0x37...
14:02:48pondlifeSo should GPOOD0-3 be 0x39-0x3c?
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14:03:31pondlifeI'll correct that then - or maybe we shouldn't be attempting to read them at all?
14:03:58LinusNi don't see the need to
14:04:36pondlifeIt was included in the original patch, I'll remove it now.
14:05:44LinusNdo so
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14:21:45Lynx_Is USB charging (for H300) in SVN?
14:22:32XavierGrI think so...
14:23:05LinusNyes it is
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14:42:06webguest48Hi there...
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14:42:39webguest48I would like to upload a rockbox-theme. who can help?
14:42:55TrueJournalsNot I... :-\
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14:43:47LinusNwebguest48: have you registered in the wiki?
14:44:43webguest48yes and no. I tried to register, but the activation-code was sent to a wrong email-adress.
14:45:13webguest48cos there was added NO:SPAM to my adress.
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14:46:03LinusNi emailed you
14:47:13webguest48you are right, just checked... sorry.
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14:52:03webguest48I got 2 emails. I klicked on the activation link in the first email and got
14:52:19webguest48The activation code ThiasHias.xxxxxxxxxx is invalid. (xxxxxxxxxx=numbers)
14:52:49webguest48But it seems, I am able to login to the wiki.
14:53:04LinusNi clicked on the activation link for you
14:53:12webguest48ah, ok.
14:53:25LinusNbecause you claimed that you didn't receive the email
14:54:50webguest48Thanks. Perhaps I was not patient enough and teh page said, it sent the email to anyway. I'll read the further instructions, then.
14:55:43LinusNi have also granted you write access
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15:02:22pixelmathough I bet the real name would be Mathias(..) then...
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15:27:45GodEater <−− wonder if Llorean will identify with this...
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15:28:22GodEateralthough for "mmo" read "forums"
15:32:29Mikachuisn't mmo just a prefix?</picky>
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15:38:37LloreanSo, whatever happened to trying to get a 'proper' dual boot on X5?
15:38:51Bagdernothing afaik
15:38:53LloreanIs it one of those cases where "someone came up with a hack, and so the people who'd actually use a dual boot no longer care about investigating further?"
15:39:05*Llorean sighs.
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15:39:57Bagderbut the hack has proved to work for everyone so it isn't such a terrible one
15:40:31LloreanBut it depends on pre-existing contents of the flash, right?
15:43:00LloreanIs there some reason that we can't come up with equivalent functions, or is it just a case of nobody sitting down to do it?
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15:46:56Bagderhe did make his own by it didn't work
15:49:24LloreanAh well, I have no X5, but I was curious as it's pretty much the only target we have without official Dual Boot at the moment.
15:49:51Bagderwell, I don't think he did work a lot on his own version when he got his hack to work
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15:51:06BagderI remember him being hard to convince that the hack was a hack
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15:54:45LloreanWell, even if it's not a "hack," the front page of the site says 'and uses no fragments of any original firmwares' so it is kinda disqualified because of that.
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15:58:33GodEaterquestion: does RB do clean cross fades between codecs? I don't know the answer as all my music is in MP3
15:58:52pixelmaLlorean: does the Gigabeat have dual boot then? ;)
15:58:58Lloreanpixelma: Kinda.
15:59:08Lloreanpixelma: You can boot the original firmware, but then you have to reinstall the Rockbox bootloader.
15:59:13BagderGodEater: yes it does
15:59:27LloreanGodEater: Crossfading happens with decoded PCM data, I believe.
15:59:29pixelmaok :)
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16:00:11GodEaterthank you
16:00:14Lloreanpixelma: It's also a hack, but since it doesn't allow switching between firmwares on the fly, nobody's pretending like it's a real solution. :)
16:00:31*GodEater has hooked an old friend who used to work for empeg who's interested in getting a port done for his car's head unit
16:01:27GodEaterStrongARM 110 if anyone is curious
16:04:04preglowshouldn't be a problem to decode audio, at least
16:04:22GodEaterhe also knows someone who's worked for both ARM and Broadcom
16:05:17dewdudeyeah, i don't think this is the place to come in and say "oooooh, loookie who i got"
16:05:39TrueJournalsAnyone have any idea why recording breaks with the KoCOP patch?
16:06:02dewdudeno. how is it broken?
16:06:02desowinis it just me or cop8 drains battery really fast ?
16:06:10dewdudei've never actually tried it
16:06:22Lloreandesowin: Have you benchmarked a build without it directly against a build with it?
16:06:24TrueJournalsdewdude: When you try to go to the recording screen, it'll just freeze
16:06:41desowinwithout - 8 hours
16:06:51dewdudei could try...but i'lltake your word
16:06:58desowinwith it, I played one album and it took down battery from 100 to 56%
16:06:58Lloreandesowin: I said "benchmarked". As in an actual test, same SVN version and everything.
16:07:19LloreanNot based on a % meter that's known to not be entirely accurate.
16:07:39Mikachudesowin: did you have the backlight on?
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16:08:09desowinI'll do a benchmark right now
16:08:12Mikachusometimes rb changes the setting to always on behind my back and the battery drains in an hour
16:08:37dewdudeyeah, you're right, recording does lock up
16:08:44desowinbtw. why backlight is default on ?
16:08:52Lloreandesowin: KoC6 gave me a 5% _increase_ in battery life.
16:09:08dowraphi467hi, i´m not someone who can speak english quiete well, do you know, if it´s possible to play movies on my ipod nano 2.generation?
16:09:11LloreanSo, make sure to test them under exactly identical conditions, if you can.
16:09:19Lloreandowraphi467: No.
16:09:36dowraphi467i´m sad :D
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16:09:57desowinis utf-8 used here in channel ?
16:10:00Mikachui think that one goes in my quotes file
16:10:11*dewdude forgot to add the usb button patch
16:10:22preglowdesowin: ascii
16:10:24Bagderdesowin: it doesn't matter, we use english here
16:10:42Mikachuenglish has some words with accents
16:10:44dewdudeyeah, irc doesn't make use of utf-8
16:10:48preglowbut of course, you should use utf-8 :>
16:11:09Bagderirc is charset agnostic
16:11:40LloreanBagder: Your article on the history of IRC didn't seem to mention to many things about the technical aspects of it. :-P
16:11:45preglowit is
16:12:30*^BeN^ is pass driving test :)
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16:13:57BagderLlorean: nah, but RFC is crazy
16:14:16Bagdereveryone is extending it as they see fit
16:14:32Bagdereven back when I wrote IRC stuff it was impossible
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16:15:44TrueJournalsSo I'll take it no one knows why...
16:15:48preglowyeah, if you only follow the rfc, you'll be surprised
16:16:03TrueJournalsyay being on topic ;-)
16:16:09LloreanTrueJournals: Generally speaking, if someone knows exactly *why* something happens, it's because they've just fixed it.
16:16:18TrueJournalsgood point
16:16:47TrueJournalshas anyone been trying anything? Do we know what DOESN'T fix it?
16:17:07LloreanTrueJournals: Installing the KoC8 patch.
16:17:23LloreanThe current theory is that it's an issue regarding the cache, I believe.
16:17:39LloreanBut since the KoC patch is just a patch, generally speaking there's only one or two people working on it.
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16:18:58dan_aCan't stop in for long, but I saw talk about the COP patch...
16:19:08Lloreandan_a: Just questions about if we know why it breaks Recording.
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16:19:27dan_aTrueJournals: Do you ever get into the recording screen, or does it hang before there?
16:19:46TrueJournalsI've gotten in once or twice, I've been able to press one button and then it freezes sometimes
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16:19:57TrueJournalsthe majority of the time, I go in and it freezes immediately
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16:20:54dan_aIn that case, it's not the caching - I tried turning the cache off, and it still seems to freeze on entering the recording screen
16:21:47webguest48is there a possibility to test the charging with UiSimulator?
16:21:50dan_abut without the cache it runs very slowly anyway, so I wasn't sure if it was just taking a really long time to do something
16:21:53GodEaterLlorean: I like your idea about the drop down list of drives, and use best guesses based on the volume label to select a default for rbutil
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16:22:10markunwebguest48: I don't think so
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16:22:30LloreanGodEater: As far as I'm concerned, a list is ALWAYS essential, since someone may be silly and have two devices attached, so at best it should just "suggest" a drive, rather than automatically using one.
16:22:34dan_aSo I don't have a clue what the problem is.
16:22:35BiptoNcould it be something regarding IDATA_ATTR
16:22:53GodEaterLlorean: very true - that's a strong argument. You should put that in the thread too.
16:23:21dan_aBiptoN: Only if we're running out of IRAM, but I think the linker would complain
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16:25:21LloreanGodEater: Updated my post, howsit sound?
16:25:53GodEaterLlorean: sounds perfect now.
16:27:15webguest48I have a ipod mini and fiddling around with a little theme. I tried %?bc<xda|%?bl<%xde|%xdf|%xdg...>> to show pic a, if the charger is connected, but it doesnt work.
16:28:19Lloreanwebguest48: Does the status bar in the menus show change when the charger is connected?
16:28:51webguest48jep. it is slowly mounting.
16:29:01webguest48oh, mom.
16:29:11webguest48you men the standard bar
16:29:24LloreanWhat "standard bar"
16:29:39LloreanThere's only one status bar in the menu.
16:29:46LloreanDoes it show a charger icon next to the battery level?
16:29:51webguest48the one, that you can disable via %wd
16:30:03LloreanI said IN THE MENU.
16:30:09LloreanNot in the WPS.
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16:30:34webguest48mom, I'll try
16:31:46webguest48no. so you think, it isnt supported?
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16:34:01Lloreanwebguest48: Right now, while the iPod should charge, the charger icon may not show up. Which means that you won't be able to use that line in a WPS until it does.
16:34:04webguest48perhaps I should try bp instead?
16:34:10amiconnwebguest48: Charging detection currently doesn't work on ipod except the G5
16:34:36amiconnI have a mini G2 myself and will add it when I find the time
16:34:37dewdudewhy do soo many patches have failed hunks?
16:34:46Lloreandewdude: Because the authors don't update them?
16:34:55dewdudebut..i need that functionality
16:35:04dewdudeand i'm not using a month old build for it
16:35:07LloreanThen fix the patch.
16:35:10GodEaterfix the patches then ?
16:35:18dewdudei am in no way a programmer
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16:35:21dewdudeyou give me code, i will break it
16:35:29LloreanThen wait for someone else to fix the patch.
16:35:39GodEateror live without it
16:36:02dewdudei can live without it, but i can't understand why people can't write stuff that doesn't break as soon as the next SVN is out
16:36:26GodEaterbecause the people that write that the patches find seeing into the future quite hard I imagine
16:36:28Lloreandewdude: Can you write something that doesn't break when the next SVN comes out?
16:36:36dewdudei can't write anything
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16:36:48dewdudeyou highly underestimate how stupid i am when it comes to code
16:37:02LloreanA patch is a list of changes existing code. If the existing code changes, the patch can't find the lines it's supposed to change any more.
16:37:13GodEaterthen it's pretty unreasonable to pick fault with those people that can
16:37:34dewdudeyeah, but i mean....nevermind
16:37:38dewdudei'm just pissed this morning
16:38:32Lloreandewdude: Basically, it's physically impossible to write a patch that modifies existing code without that patch breaking eventually when the existing code changes. You're asking for programmers to do the impossible.
16:42:17GodEaterI that guy asking about DAPs for his blind customers can find a GB to test with.
16:43:54GodEaterI think the voice works fine on it since I worked out that that last release of VB is broken
16:44:06GodEaterI can use it in the car now without taking my eyes off the road
16:44:44TrueJournalsOK... I need a little bit of help with the album art patch...
16:45:00LloreanGodEater: Well, Voice is not entirely reliable still. But it's better than it was six months ago.
16:45:10TrueJournalsAll my album art is in my MP3s, is there a program for Windows XP that will extract that album art and put it in the folder the MP3 is in?
16:45:38GodEaterwhat do you class as "not entirely reliable" ?
16:45:48GodEaterare there circumstances under which it doesn't work ?
16:46:04LloreanGodEater: There are circumstances under which you can break it entirely, last I heard.
16:46:20GodEaterwonder what they are
16:46:45LloreanThey may be fixed.
16:46:48LloreanI'm not sure.
16:47:08GodEaterhard to tell if we don't know what they were though eh ? ;)
16:47:30GodEaterseems pretty good to me so far though
16:47:48LloreanBut for blind navigation, voice needs to be something that is pretty damn rock solid.
16:47:56GodEateroh I agree
16:48:02LloreanIt's probably good enough for most users too, it's just the kind of thing that we should strive to have 'perfect'
16:48:03Mikachui would like it too, for pocket navigation
16:48:19Mikachusometimes you wonder why play doesn't work, and it turns out you're somewhere in a menu
16:48:45GodEaterit doesn't work on your target ?
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16:49:09Mikachui haven't tried because i heard it doesn't work so well :)
16:49:22GodEaterworks pretty well if you ask me
16:49:23Mikachui tried around january last year maybe
16:49:34GodEaterprobably worth revisiting it then :)
16:50:34GodEaterI used a different voice for the dirnames than from the menu too to help me work out where I am a bit quicker
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16:51:04GodEaterif a girl is speaking it's in the file browser, if it's a man, then I'm in the RB menu somewhere
16:51:39GodEaterI thought that was a good idea
16:57:46GodEaterI'm assuming, but only because I've never actually looked, that RockBox is pretty much the only firmware out there that DOES provide something useful for blind users ?
16:58:37LloreanGodEater: Apple filed a patented related to prerecorded voice clips for a similar purpose, but hasn't done anything with it yet.
16:59:11GodEaterwhen did they do that ?
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16:59:33GodEatercurious to know if it was before or after rockbox implemented it
16:59:37LloreanWell, it became public sometime during last year, so the patent was from quite some time before.
16:59:43LloreanBut their patent was filed *after* Rockbox had voice.
16:59:57LloreanIf I remember the results of everyone scrambling around out of curiosity.
16:59:58GodEatershouldn't it have been denied then ?
17:00:03GodEateras Rockbox is prior art ?
17:00:27LloreanGodEater: You assume two things: One being that their patent is similar enough to what we do, and Two being that the patent office was doing their job.
17:00:27GodEatermind you, the US patent office is world reknowned for it's efficiency....
17:01:09LloreanThat being said, if it covers what Rockbox does, that means Rockbox is prior art and should *in theory* be somewhat hard for them to attack.
17:01:25LloreanBut, being not a lawyer in any sense of the word, that's my personal conjecture.
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17:01:41GodEaterI'm in agreement, but IAANAL
17:02:08GodEaterthat's a terrible looking acronym which I vow never to use again
17:02:22LloreanUntil next time, at least.
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17:03:04idnardon't you mean "IANAL"?
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17:04:04Soapno, he means "I absolutely am not a lawyer"
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17:04:22GodEaterI actually mean "I am also not a lawyer"
17:04:53Soap"I ain't a nasty ass lawyer"
17:05:01GodEaterthat's a better one though ;)
17:05:46idnarI Am A Norwegian Autistic Lawyer
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17:07:48GodEaterI'm sorry to hear that
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17:14:30ZagorGodEater:: the US patent office has several times said that they only consider other patents prior art...
17:14:58GodEaterthat's very nice of them
17:16:41GodEater"we'll let you take out this patent and make lots of money off it because all the other people that have been doing it for years were too stupid to file their own patent"
17:16:58GodEater"so clearly you're very original"
17:17:47*GodEater has already signed the petition at No. 10's ePetition site asking the Prime Minister to scrap any plans at supporting software patents
17:18:45LloreanGodEater: Well, the thing is that in the US it is still "First to invent" rather than "First to file" (there was a recent attempt to change the law to be First to File, but AFAIK it failed).
17:19:58webguest48my mini doesn't boot into original firmware. What can I do about that? (I asked that question in the forum already.. but perhaps you can give me a quick answer?) switch on HOLD quickly after pressing Menu to swich on. then it says something like "loading original software" - "klick!" reboot...
17:20:05GodEatererm. Doesnt' that contradict what Zagor just said ?
17:20:40LloreanGodEater: What the law is, and how the patent office acts, are two different things.
17:21:02Soapde facto / de jure
17:21:28LloreanSo while the patent is unlikely to accept Rockbox as prior art, it could *possibly* still be used were a lawsuit to crop up over that patent.
17:21:33Lloreanpatent office.
17:21:35linuxstbwebguest48: It's a known issue with the latest bootloaders and/or the latest ipodpatcher. You should reinstall Rockbox using the instructions and files from the IpodInstallation wiki page until the problem's found.
17:21:50linuxstb(it only affects the two minis and the 4g greyscale)
17:22:17GodEaterThat makes no sense at all. I'm SO glad I'm not a lawyer.
17:22:25barrywardellmidgey: the new Rockboy patch looks good. I'm not getting my settings change crash any more :)
17:22:46midgeystrange, i didn't change much in settings
17:22:49webguest48ipodinstallation wiki page?
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17:22:50LloreanGodEater: If law made consistent sense, we wouldn't *need* lawyers.
17:22:55GodEaterI guess since Rockbox is a European based project anyway we don't really care what the US patent office thinks anyway
17:23:06GodEaterLlorean: you speak the truth again :)
17:23:21barrywardellmidgey: yeah, i know. but I can't cause it to crash any more now
17:23:29Zagorgodeater: the patent office doesn't consider anything other than an already existing patent "prior art" insofar that it prevents them from granting a patent
17:23:40Zagorhowever you can still challenge such patents in court
17:23:49GodEaterI get scared of words like "insofar" it've very legalese
17:24:15GodEaterbut I see what you mean now
17:24:34Lloreanmidgey: So, does that mean the Rockboy patch is ready for commit?
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17:25:15Soapyes, the burden of proof is on the challenger - which leads to some nasty messes - but I firmly believe if the burden of proof was on the defender we would have equal and opposite problems. The root issue is when you have financial inequity between sides, so one can throw weight around through expensive tactics.
17:25:59barrywardellmidgey: do you plan to commit your changes? or do you want me to test anything else?
17:26:17webguest48where can I find the ipodinstallation wiki page?
17:26:20midgeyill probably commit sometime tonight
17:26:31midgeythere's still plenty of work that can be done on rockboy
17:26:59Zagorthe fact that you can challenge patents is also used by the patent office(s) as an excuse to grant questionable patents. "our sloppiness it not a problem - you can always challenge it in court"
17:26:59barrywardellgreat. It would be nice to have it working real time ;)
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17:27:20linuxstbwebguest48: It's "IpodInstallation" (with capital Is) - you find all wiki pages on the Rockbox website. Click on the wiki link on the left, and type the page name in the "Go" box at the top.
17:27:24*midgey is way over his head with dynarec
17:28:10Lloreanmidgey: And that'll offer a rather huge speed gain, no?
17:28:21midgeyit should
17:28:26LloreanIn theory
17:28:39midgeythe asm core from iboy would give pp targets a monster increase as well
17:28:45linuxstbGiven what I observed in pacbox, the LCD updates and screen rendering are a relatively easy source for optimisation in emulators.
17:28:57barrywardellhow possible is the suggestion to push things on to the cop?
17:28:58midgeybut their core has undergone a large amount of changes
17:29:10midgeybarrywardell: i haven't looked at it
17:29:16midgeyiboy uses the cop
17:29:28midgeydsboy also has an arm core
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17:29:46midgeyand so does an old version of gnuboyCE (i think)
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17:30:29linuxstbmidgey: Have you profiled how much time the LCD updates are taking? e.g. try disabling them and see how fast it runs.
17:30:48midgeyi tried profiling them, but i got a blank profile.out
17:30:59midgeyim going to try disabling them some time this week
17:30:59Lloreanbarrywardell: COP is only effective for the iPods though. I'd hope that some improvements could be made cross-target first.
17:31:14linuxstbI don't mean "real" profiling, just measuring the speed of rockboy's emulation with no screen rendering or lcd updates.
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17:31:29midgeyyah, ill me trying that soon
17:32:09midgeycompletely commenting out the sound related code added a 5% speed up for anyone interested in building their own
17:32:27Lloreanbarrywardell: Then again, the only fix I really 'want' is having audio sound a bit nicer. :)
17:32:52*midgey wants a gigabeat
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17:34:07linuxstbbarrywardell: Do you know if the COP patch freezes in the recording screen on the H10 as well?
17:34:48linuxstbI tried the recording yesterday (on my kernel-on-COP build that had the codec thread still on the main CPU) and it still froze in the recording screen...
17:38:18barrywardellLlorean: true. but no harm in using the cop when it's available
17:38:34barrywardelllinuxstb: yes, it does. it doesn't even get to show the screen before freezing
17:38:45Lloreanbarrywardell: Very true
17:39:31linuxstbIt displayed about half the screen before freezing for me - I saw the peakmeters, but that's all.
17:39:41barrywardelllinuxstb: same here
17:40:12barrywardelli didn't investigate why. i'm still trying to figure out what causes ipod_set_cpu_frequency to give problems
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17:44:00linuxstbLlorean: Not sure if you noticed in the IRC logs earlier today, but there are now updated ipod bootloaders on the download server - so no more -1 errors.
17:44:21barrywardellmidgey: pagefault from zsnes used to hang out here (he has a H10).I think he would know quite a bit about optimising emulators. I haven't seen him around recently though.
17:44:55midgeyi saw him around a while back, wasnt he planning on working on spc?
17:45:00Lloreanlinuxstb: Good to hear.
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17:45:29Lloreanmidgey: Well, now there's a mostly working SPC anyway.
17:45:33barrywardellyeah, I think he was talking about it
17:45:51midgeyLlorean: I use the patch :)
17:46:13pondlifeWhy does Rockbox have to be in music playing mode OR USB connection mode? Is this hardware enforced on all targets, or just some?
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17:46:41Lloreanpondlife: I believe it's hardware enforced on all the targets Rockbox currently has a USB mode for.
17:46:42pondlifei.e. Why not allow a USB thread to run but keep playing music/displaying the normal UI...
17:47:09pondlifeI know the Archos was certainly one-or-the-other, but wasn't sure about later targets.
17:47:19amiconnWhere would this thread take the data from?
17:47:39pondlifeamiconn: Which thread?
17:47:55amiconnThe one that plays music...
17:48:10Lloreanamiconn: In theory, couldn't a device read from the HD and allow the computer access to it concurrently?
17:48:16pondlifeThe hard disk? Ah - the USB thread needs the audio buffer?
17:48:23amiconnOn all targets with hw controlled usb (which are all targets except the pp ones), switching to usb mode hands over disk control to the usb-ata bridge
17:48:39pondlifeThat answers my question then
17:48:51amiconnIt's one or the other, shared access is impossible
17:49:24barrywardellpp targets would probably allow shared access - the usb is largely software based
17:49:48pondlifeamiconn: Do you object to FS #5744 - adding a shift button to allow USB powering without USB playback?
17:50:01pondlifeOr is there a better way to achieve this?
17:50:24pondlife(Note the attached patch gets English.lang slightly wrong, but I've fixed that locally.)
17:51:10Lloreanpondlife: With proper charger detection on the iPods, it doesn't seem as necessary any more.
17:51:21linuxstbYou mean add a setting to toggle the default behaviour when connecting to USB?
17:51:23amiconnbarrywardell: Yes, but then the usb stack would have to present a virtual mass storage device to the host
17:51:29LloreanThough I do like how Car Mode overrides USB connection unless something is held down.
17:51:29pondlifeI don't think it affects iPods
17:51:36pondlifeMore Archos and iRiver
17:51:40Lloreanpondlife: It says explicitly that it does affect iPods.
17:51:57pondlifeAh, ok
17:52:24pondlifeIndeed it does
17:52:38*pondlife was misreading Deutsch.lang
17:52:48LloreanBut overall, is there really a needed option to switch the behaviour at will?
17:52:48*amiconn doesn't see the point in that option
17:53:18pondlifeIs there another way to run USB powered?
17:53:25Lloreanamiconn: I like the "car mode" part of it, for devices that can't detect if it's a charger (I don't know how the H300 reacts to USB chargers, for example)
17:53:38Lloreanpondlife: All that does is swap behaviour
17:53:44pondlifei.e. running Rockbox plugged into USB, without USB connection taking place.
17:53:47LloreanRight now if you hold a button, USB insertion doesn't go to disk mode.
17:54:08LloreanThat patch allows you the option to switch it so that instead holding the button causes disk mode, and not holding it charges.
17:54:33pondlifeI didn't know there was a button option already.
17:54:47linuxstbIt's been there since the Archos days...
17:55:13pondlifeAha. Only got H300 USB powering recently. Any idea which button I hold to avoid disk mode?
17:55:22pondlifeI agree then that this patch is unneeded.
17:55:26linuxstbThat patch tells you - the POWER button.
17:55:32linuxstbsorry, REC.
17:56:02LloreanI do think that in car adapter mode, disk mode should never be triggered by default on insertion.
17:56:05linuxstbI can see how you thought the patch introduced this feature though.
17:56:15pondlifeIt's not in the manual
17:56:46*Llorean wonders why it's not in the manual.
17:56:59pondlifeWell, maybe I can't find it!
17:57:05pondlifeJust looking at the PDF
17:57:06LloreanWell, it may not be.
17:57:55LloreanI didn't realize the Gigabeat could charge on USB until about two days ago.
17:59:31pixelmahmm... I don't understand what it should do on the Ondio. It doesn't charge via USB and it is already implemented that I can chose between USB power mode and USB connection depending on whether I hold mode while plugging or not...
18:00:43Lloreanpixelma: It adds an option to swap the default behaviour.
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18:04:00pondlifeYep - REC works nicely.
18:04:15pondlifeI'll put a comment on the patch and forget it.
18:04:54linuxstbAnyone know if the patch author is an ipod user?
18:05:03TrueJournalscan someone tell me the full syntax for %pb?
18:05:10TrueJournals(in a WPS, of course...)
18:05:18pixelmathanks for explaining - but then I don't see the point. *imagines all the upcoming questions: why is my USB connection not working* ;)
18:05:33linuxstbAh no, he says he has a H300...
18:05:36pondlifelinuxstb: It's Massa, I think he's an Iriver user
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18:06:06LloreanTrueJournals: The syntaxes are all on the CustomWPS page, or should be.
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18:06:49linuxstbThese are the kind of patches we need to either accept or reject, rather than leave cluttering up the patch tracker.
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18:07:09TrueJournalsLlorean: I saw that... but I'm looking at a WPS, and it shows 4 parameters, but the CustomWPS page shows three... it says "%pb|height|leftpos|rightpos|" Does the WPS I'm looking at just have an extra parameter?
18:07:32pondlifelinuxstb: I can see the use for such a patch
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18:07:45pondlifeBut on the other hand, it is definitely bloat!
18:07:52LloreanTrueJournals: Does the WPS you're looking at use a patch?
18:08:18pondlifePersonally, I think I'd prefer the power-only option as a default.
18:08:28TrueJournalsLlorean: didn't think about that... it uses scrolling margins and album art... but that wouldn't affect the %pb tag... would it?
18:08:32pixelmaTrueJournals: most probably a wps that uses a patch - there is one for defining the y-coordinate of the progress bar
18:08:49TrueJournalshm, maybe it uses that then... didn't say anything about it though
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18:09:16pondlifelinuxstb: Do you have an opinion? Rejecting it seems overly harsh.
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18:09:48LloreanThe problem with *not* rejecting it, is that it implies the patch is still under consideration.
18:09:52linuxstbI wouldn't use the patch myself, but I can understand that people who use their computers for charging whilst listening would find it useful.
18:10:25pondlifeWe need a status to indicate that it's not going into SVN but is useful for custom builds!
18:10:39Lloreanpondlife: That's arguably what "rejected" is.
18:10:48LloreanThe problem is, new revisions of the patch can't be updated with it.
18:10:59pondlifeAnd it's not displayed in searches is it?
18:11:07linuxstbNot by default.
18:11:14LloreanBut you can search closed tasks easily
18:11:32TrueJournalsLlorean: that's the problem with closed patches though... people don't think to search ALL patches, only open ones :-\
18:11:34pondlifeYes, but there are some really bad closed tasks to hunt through
18:11:47pondlifeThis is a genuinely useful patch.
18:12:24LloreanIf you use the search function it should be easy to find.
18:12:27LloreanOr if you remember the task number
18:12:37pondlifeI'm wavering towards accepting the patch ;-/
18:12:55Lloreanpondlife: Despite nobody really speaking in favour of it?
18:13:01pondlifeWell, I am!
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18:13:10pondlifeOnly amiconn has spoken against it.
18:13:30pondlifeSo I make that 1-1
18:13:31LloreanI think the option in the menu is only useful for people who can't be bothered to hold down a single button.
18:13:47LloreanI don't think increasing the code size is a good replacement for "pressing a single button"
18:13:53pondlifeOK. 2-1
18:14:00pondlifeSo I'll consider it rejected
18:14:34linuxstbDon't take this as a vote in favour, but I don't think that features which make Rockbox more convenient to use should always be rejected...
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18:14:55pondlifeThat's my take on this exactly.
18:15:05Lloreanlinuxstb: Yeah, but there's a difference between "more convenient" and "adding a new menu option to replace a single button press"
18:15:37*Llorean shrugs
18:16:02pondlifeIf I had known that the button press option was there I might feel more like you do.
18:16:55linuxstbBut I think in this case, I'm against - you have to hold the player to insert the USB cable, so you can easily press the button whilst doing it.
18:17:08pixelmaoption bloat could make rockbox inconvenient too IMO (makes it harder to find such options)
18:17:49linuxstbAnd as pixelma said earlier, there's the potential issue of "help! my computer can't see my device" if someone accidentally enables that option.
18:18:01pondlifeI think I'll use USB for power much more often than connection. i.e. run it powered every day, but only update the music occasionally.
18:18:14LloreanI think "more convenient" should depend somewhat on whether the original state was actually inconvenient, and I really don't think it is (or if it is for some people, it's very minorly so)
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18:18:31pondlifeSo my custom build would have the button hold inverted.
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18:19:18LloreanI have an idea!
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18:19:31LloreanWhat if, while music is playing, it defaults to charging?
18:19:42LloreanAnd if music is *not* playing, it defaults to USB mode.
18:19:52LloreanAnd then just document that.
18:20:19linuxstbThat seems arbitrary. What about radio, recordings, plugins, ...
18:20:22pondlifeI kind-of like the idea, but suspect it's confusing.
18:20:53Lloreanlinuxstb: Okay, "Filetree and Menu go to USB mode, all others don't"
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18:21:31LloreanI dunno.
18:21:53LloreanAs it is, I don't think you go into USB mode in plugins, do you?
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18:22:16linuxstbYou _should_ do, but it depends if the plugin implements it correctly.
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18:22:42linuxstbIt should probably be called a bug if a plugin doesn't enter USB mode.
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18:23:01LloreanI don't really plug in USB terribly often while in plugins so I don't know. :)
18:23:49pondlifeI think the default option is simpler. Or nothing at all.
18:24:34LloreanOh, I'm quite familiar with my ideas being not the greatest. I tend to overcomplicate things.
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18:27:32n1sany lang wizards around?
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18:28:38linuxstbAsk and you'll find out.
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18:30:30pondlifelinuxstb: I've put a comment on FS #5744 but will leave it open for a while to allow for discussion.
18:30:42n1sok, using *: none as default in english.lang for a phrase makes the .lng file messed up and strings are in the wrong place when loaded from .lng but the built in strings are fine, this also happends when there is a case for a target so the default shouldn't be used...
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18:30:57n1sfor example
18:31:02n1sh300: foo
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18:31:16n1ssorry h300: "foo"
18:31:22n1s*: none
18:31:32n1sbreaks the .lng
18:31:56 Part juxtap
18:32:26n1sreplacing none with "" works fine however...
18:33:15linuxstbLlorean: Any comments on this output when ipodpatcher detects a macpod ?
18:33:54Lloreanlinuxstb: I like that. If that's not enough information for them, they probably shouldn't be installing Rockbox in the first place.
18:34:24*Llorean would like to be rid of the /bin/view/Main/ in our twiki URLs some day.
18:34:58Mikachumaybe a redirect rule from /wiki to /twiki/bin/view/Main
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18:36:59pondlifePity that Linux User article mentions "tag cache" so much...
18:37:20pondlifeAlso "...for any iPod."
18:37:24bluebrotherlinux user article? Is it available in the web?
18:38:41pondlifeI like their main menu picture. Is that possible? Must need some patch? Or is it a mockup?
18:39:07bluebrotherthat's definitely patched
18:39:29bluebrotherthey also use multiple fonts in the wps
18:39:50linuxstb"to the iPod and a few other MP3 players"...
18:39:52bluebrotherhehe, and a link to viewcvs for ipod_fw downloading
18:40:00linuxstbs/a few//
18:40:14Llorean That's jbuild
18:40:18preglowis it impossible to make an address free of errors?
18:40:21preglowthis one also mentions flashing
18:40:23LloreanOr specifically, the 'jclix' series of WPSes
18:40:32bluebrotherMarch 2007 ... that's quite recent.
18:40:39linuxstbThere would be no article left if they used the current install instructions...
18:40:44bluebrotherI'm wondering why they have so much errors :(
18:40:50pondlifeWhy do articles need to link to anything other than
18:41:02pondlifeHah - "daily"
18:41:05bluebrotherbecause it looks better if you have tons of urls?
18:41:06Mikachuwhy do people write instructions in articles?
18:41:08linuxstbAn easy way to boost the wordcount in the article.
18:41:37pondlife"dredging the filesystem" - golden?
18:41:42LloreanSo, it's next month's article *and* woefully outdated.
18:41:56pondlifeSorry - "dredging the depths of the filesystem"
18:41:56bluebrother"The Rockbox project offers a firmware called (surprise!) Rockbox"
18:42:10LloreanOur "Rockbox in the press" page should have sections for good and bad articles.
18:42:30pondlifeReviews, with marks out of 10!
18:42:33bluebrothermaybe mark them with icons similar to the MajorChanges page?
18:42:40bluebrotheror use a star rating ;-)
18:42:53pondlife"Amazingly, Rockbox also supports a number of other MP3 players" !!
18:43:02pondlifeWow, how amazing is that?
18:43:11bluebrotherjust read that
18:43:37bluebrotherAmazingly, the editor missed the fact RB wasn't intended for the ipod in the first place (but ported later) ;-)
18:43:40linuxstbI don't think the author even realised you could dual-boot...
18:43:45n1sBagder_: ping
18:43:59desowin"Before you start, be aware that the flash process does involve some inherent dangers." <- iPods are getting flashed ? :O
18:43:59pondlifelinuxstb: Nah, better just to flash each time!
18:44:00*Llorean sends an email off to Linux Magazine.
18:44:31bluebrotherthe bootloader deletes parts of the OF?
18:44:32linuxstbMaybe there's a different Rockbox project we're not aware of...
18:44:49Mikachuthey didn't even contact any developer before they wrote the article/
18:44:56bluebrotheroh, what did you wrote?
18:46:00bluebrotheris that the autor of the article?
18:46:16*bluebrother goes checking ... yes.
18:46:23pondlife<Madkiss> ewll, let's see what winders thinks about this
18:46:42pondlifeSame person? This one seems to be Winders-based.
18:46:48*desowin wonders if he knows that rockbox has been ported to iPod, not otherwise
18:46:55pondlifeOr rather Mac based
18:47:28pondlife<Madkiss> How do I make screenshots out of rockbox?
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18:47:52desowinsimulator ?
18:48:02Juice^can the sansa playback mpeg yet?
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18:48:42Juice^This needs several functions implementing to support PluginMpegplayer, flipped/rotated displays and various others . hmmm
18:49:38linuxstbI remember someone saying that they had implemented those functions on the Sansa, but I'm not sure if a patch has been published yet.
18:49:50Juice^oh ok
18:50:31Llorean <−− How's this look as a letter to them?
18:51:02Juice^the wiki needs an update on the sansa page - Power handling ALERT! - We are able to turn off the Sansa using software. We cannot monitor the battery level.
18:51:08Juice^has been updated
18:51:24LloreanJuice^: The beauty of the wiki is if you feel it needs changed, you can change it.
18:51:45Juice^Llorean: you need to be added for rights first dont you?
18:52:00LloreanJuice^: Yes. Sign up for the wiki, and then ask in here to be added.
18:52:06linuxstbs/amount of information that is untruthful/number of factual errors/ ?
18:52:13Lloreanlinuxstb: Okay
18:53:01bluebrotherLlorean: don't want to mention this will cause a lot of confusion (and possibly disappointed users)?
18:53:29LloreanI think the most important bit is the "Some things you said not only aren't true, but never have been" part of it.
18:53:31freqmodmaybe you could write that if they want to write further articles like that they could try to contact the project in question for a "proofread"
18:53:49Juice^ok. i need write access :)
18:53:49pondlifeI would be a bit more positive - maybe say that we would be very happy to help answer your questions...
18:54:05Lloreanpondlife: I'd have been happy to answer their questions *before* they published it.
18:54:35pondlifeWell, there's always the chance they'll publish a correction
18:54:39LloreanJuice^: A username is needed.
18:54:53linuxstbMaybe we should have a "Contact Us" type page including details for press enquiries?
18:55:01linuxstb(I'm not sure what those details could be...)
18:55:01Lloreanlinuxstb: I would very much like that.
18:55:02Juice^Llorean: FrodeFuglestad it is
18:56:04LloreanJuice^: Okay, should be done
18:56:10pondlifeAnyone willing to monitor a address?
18:56:16Lloreanpondlife: I'd be happy to.
18:56:30pondlifeWell, there's an option then
18:56:36Juice^Llorean: goodie
18:56:37LloreanI'd rather deal with press inquiries than run cleanup after.
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18:58:54bluebrother"... will appear until you run a command (???) ..."
18:59:03bluebrotherrun a command on a Rockbox device? Urgh.
18:59:50Lloreanpondlife: Better?
19:00:18bluebrotherthey reference the file browser but the image (and caption) shows the main menu ...
19:00:19LloreanAlso, the "Editorial" contact seem the right place to go?
19:00:38pixelmaLlorean: I had a hard time to understand the third paragraph
19:02:14Lloreanpixelma: Better?
19:02:50LloreanWell, there should be a period, and then a capital W on the "we"
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19:03:50pixelmayes... better. (and I also wanted to suggest this ^)
19:04:33LloreanAlright, I'm thinking to the editor. Should I CC it to madkiss himself as well?
19:04:34bluebrotherI'm especially missing a link to the manuals
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19:05:10bluebrotherwould be way better than to link individual tools
19:06:37linuxstbLlorean: Maybe it's worth saying when the new instructions were made available.
19:07:15linuxstb(16th December was when IpodInstallationBeta was created)
19:07:17bluebrotherurgh. The link the manual as the daily builds page
19:07:34linuxstbSo it was probably after the author's deadline (or at least, close to it).
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19:07:57Lloreanlinuxstb: That's why I mentioned that it's understandable about the installation instructions being out of date.
19:08:07LloreanI can understand the deadline issue.
19:08:24LloreanBut there were things in there (rockbox deletes portions of the original firmware?) that are pretty much flat out wrong.
19:08:56pondlifeHopefully they don't have many readers!!
19:09:06linuxstbYes, I was just wondering about the installation instructions. The new instructions seem older than that somehow...
19:09:06bluebrotherthe lng for voice files section is completely confusing too.
19:09:08pondlifeLlorean: Sorry, yes that looks better.
19:09:24Mikachuin my experience almost all pc magazines are crap
19:09:39pondlifeMaybe someone should do a before and after on the wiki - i.e. rewrite the article
19:09:43Lloreanlinuxstb: They were in the PDF manual as of 21st of Dec, too
19:09:50pondlifeThen send them a link to say - here's a true version
19:10:40LloreanAnyway, the final question: Do you feel I should CC this to madkiss, or would it be best to just stick to the editor?
19:10:56linuxstbI would say just the editor.
19:11:06pondlifeI would read the IRC logs for madkiss before sending it to him.
19:11:12pondlifeJust the editor
19:11:32LloreanAlright, editor it is.
19:11:40bluebrotherwe could start building a CorrectedArticlesAboutRockbox page ;-)
19:11:51pondlifeI think that letter is reasonable. Hopefully it'll get published.
19:12:19pondlifeAnyway, tea time
19:12:58LloreanIt's slightly sad that, overall, the PortalPlayer targets are our worst ports, and get the most press.
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19:14:05linuxstbI think a problem is that the wiki/website has too much information in it, so newcomers miss the basics. Not sure how that can be fixed though.
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19:15:57Mikachui think it's hard to find things on the wiki even when i know where it is
19:16:22LloreanThe "normal" user shouldn't really be using the wiki for much.
19:16:29LloreanShould they?
19:17:26Mikachueverytime someone comes in here with a question you tell them to read a wiki page :)
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19:17:46LloreanNot these days, not so much.
19:17:52LloreanI tend to reference the manual a whole lot more, though
19:18:44[toffe]fo people in the US, you can find the Toshiba gigabeat F40 brand new at 190$ at office depot :;jsessionid=0000ABBIvRBu_RjoXjKjPBNj38k:10gg9eb56?level=SK&id=734578
19:21:49bospaadjeI'm a pretty new user (installed rockbox last tuesday) and I must admit the wiki is very confusing
19:22:24Lloreanbospaadje: What are you looking for in the wiki, as a new user?
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19:22:47bluebrotherin that terms, every wiki is confusing
19:23:09bluebrothereven wikipedia. But for that you know the page title you're searching after
19:23:45bospaadjeyou'd probably want a clear page for features
19:23:50bospaadjethere's at least 2 now
19:24:14LloreanFor features?
19:24:17bospaadjeand a clear way to find installation instructions
19:24:28Lloreanbospaadje: Installation Instructions are clearly in the manual.
19:24:29bospaadjea page that shows which features rockbox has
19:24:46bospaadjeLlorean, yes, but there's also 2 different installation instructions in the wiki
19:24:51bospaadjeat least, for ipod
19:25:13bospaadjeif you want users to use the ones in the manual, clear them off the wiki
19:25:15linuxstbThe problem is Rockbox's fast development, and the fact that it's buggy...
19:25:44bospaadjeI can understand the fast development makes this harder
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19:25:49linuxstbThe install instructions are in a state of limbo due to the bugs with the 4g greyscale and minis.
19:26:18linuxstbThey weren't spotted until after the manual was updated with the new instructions... So we have to keep the old instructions for those users.
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19:26:45linuxstbBut I agree with you, once those bugs are fixed, we should only have the installation instructions in the manual.
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19:27:33Soapa dump of all the search terms entered into the wiki search box would be useful. Maybe a few redirection pages could be created from that data.
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19:30:20bospaadjethe documentation index shows the manual and the installation instructions in the wiki separately.. I therefore assumed the manual would only be a manual to *use* rockbox, not to *install* it. maybe it could be stressed some more that people should first read & follow the manual before trying to find things in the wiki
19:31:24linuxstbYes, I think that index should be changed - deleting the install instructions and putting a note next to the manual link saying that the manual includes installation instructions.
19:33:00bospaadjethose were my thought.. maybe I'll look into this some more later, now i have to go
19:34:43LloreanThank you very much for your email. We will include your letter with
19:34:43Lloreanour next issue, so that readers will be aware of the issues you raise.
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19:34:56*Llorean felt that was deserving of a multi-line paste.
19:35:37preglowwould anyone see a point in being able to choose resampler quality?
19:35:52LloreanAlso: "We would be very interested in talking to you about providing a follow-up article on the subject on Rockbox at the point of the next major release." So if/when 3.0 comes around, they're willing to actually talk to us first, it seems.
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19:37:08n1spreglow how big is the quality and speed difference, and how does it compare to the current one?
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19:38:03Lloreanpreglow: Well, I think if the resampler has the option, things like Doom could probably be happy with it at a lower quality (or for voice files, etc) than things like actual music playback?
19:38:14LloreanIf it can be done in such a way
19:38:31Mikachuand those 500mhz target can use the higher setting
19:42:21preglown1s: wouldn't know, just wondering if it would be interesting at all
19:42:36preglowthere are tons of ways of doing resamplers, and i'm not quite sure what to use
19:43:37preglowthe flexibility of rockbox in what sample rates which are possible to use doesn't exactly make it any easier either
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20:05:24n1spreglow: I'd say there would need to be some significant difference to warrant a setting for it, but that's just IMO...
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20:26:51Soapwhen you patch in SVN, is a log created anywhere tracking what patches you have applied/removed?
20:28:24Mikachuyou mean when you run the "patch" command?
20:29:02Mikachuthen no
20:29:08Mikachubut you can run svn diff to see all changes of course
20:29:16Mikachusvn only tracks what you commit to the repository
20:29:27Mikachueverything you change locally is "one change" as far as svn is concerned
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20:30:31Soapok. Hmm, trying to figure out a way to track my insertion / removal of specific patches.
20:31:17linuxstbhistory | grep patch ?
20:31:45MikachuSoap: echo patchname >> patches
20:31:52Mikachuor use quilt
20:32:12Mikachu(it's some sort of local patch manager, i haven't tried it though)
20:33:45Soaphmm all three are interesting ideas.
20:35:19Mikachuthe history one is somewhat flawed in case your shell expires old history
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20:37:48SoapI'd have to compare patch history to svn history to see what is really in there.
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20:38:57Mikachuif you have worthwhile changes, they should eventually go in svn...
20:40:34amiconnlinuxstb: Regarding your latest commit - would it be possible to make ipodpatcher convert a macpod into a winpod?
20:40:53amiconnThis would be fdisk-like functionality...
20:40:53SoapSoap with worthwhile changes? Ha!
20:41:33amiconnI'm not talking about non-destructive hfs->fat32 conversion...
20:42:12linuxstbBut yes, I've thought about that, and may implement it.
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20:42:43linuxstbThe partition table editing should be trivial, and I've already looked at the mkfs.msdos source, and think that would be easy to incorporate.
20:42:47amiconnlinuxstb: I think it would be possible to create a new fat32 partition and quick format it.
20:42:49w1ll14mamiconn: from linux or cygwin you should make a call to mkdosfs, from windows you could make a call to format
20:42:55TrueJournalsIs there a way to get a diff file of all the changes from one commit to the next (as opposed to downloading the diff file for each changed files seperately)?
20:42:59w1ll14melse you could make compiled in support
20:43:21w1ll14mshould = could :)
20:43:45amiconnlinuxstb: What's the difference between macpod and winpod besides the file system of the main partition?
20:43:58amiconnI guess the partition table looks different / is in a different place?
20:44:13linuxstbJust the partition table - winpods have a DOS partition table, macpods have an Apple Partition Map.
20:44:29amiconnThe firmware partition is the same I guess?
20:44:42linuxstbYes, it's even in the same physical place.
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20:45:19webguest16hey all
20:45:48dewdudewebguest16 aren't you in here on a regular basis?
20:46:22webguest16Nope, my first time
20:46:30dewdudeoh, nvm then.
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20:46:36webguest16I'm an idiot, and I could use some assistance
20:46:42dewdudedid you real the manual?
20:47:09webguest16but I skipped a step, as I thought you were supposed to do it after
20:47:21dewdudeyou have to follow directions in order
20:47:29dewdudeunless step 5 is "skip to step 10"
20:47:33webguest16I never copied .roxkbox and rockbox.ipod onto my ipod
20:47:39dewdudeoh, but you installed bootloader?
20:47:49linuxstbSo what's the problen?
20:48:12webguest16So now my ipod won't boot up, or get recognized by windows to restore the partition
20:48:23dewdudejust boot into either emergency disk mode or back into the ipod firmware
20:48:28linuxstbWhat does it say when it boots?
20:48:33dewdudeplug it up, and away you should go..
20:48:51webguest16Up at the top on the left it says rockbox bootloader
20:49:09linuxstbAnd at the bottom?
20:49:22webguest16then it gives the version, and the ipod version... doesn't say anything at the bottom
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20:49:46linuxstbIt must have a last line...
20:49:53webguest16And I don't know how to boot into the ipod firmware
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20:50:12dewdudewebguest16 Ah-HA, then you didn't read the least very carefully
20:50:14webguest16It just says toshiba mk8010gah
20:50:27dewdudeyeah, he's got a working loader, but no rockbox.ipod to load, so i'm sure it's just hanging
20:50:34w1ll14mwebguest: macpod?
20:50:51linuxstbRockbox doesn't work on the 80GB video ipod...
20:51:02dewdudeoh, he's got the 80 gig?
20:51:07w1ll14mhehe ?
20:51:08webguest16well, I guwess that's why, then
20:51:11dewdudeyou SHOULD of read that on the website
20:51:13dewdudeit's right up front
20:51:20linuxstbIt's in many places...
20:51:31dewdudeclear as day "does not work on 80GB ipod"
20:51:31webguest16I didn't see it, the page that redirected me skipped the first page
20:51:33dewdudei should flog you for even coming in here with that
20:51:47dewdudewebguest16 it's on the main page, and several other places.
20:51:53linuxstbwebguest16: Hold MENU+SELECT together to reboot, then hold SELECT+PLAY to force your ipod into disk mode.
20:51:55dewdudeif you had read things properly, you would of seen that
20:51:57Soapwhat page lead you to rockbox, webguest16?
20:52:10Mikachumaybe that crap magazine
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20:52:24linuxstbwebguest16: Then you can run the "ipodpatcher [device] -d" command to uninstall the bootloader.
20:52:37linuxstb(or simply restore with itunes)
20:52:58webguest16It wasn't a magazine, it was just some webpage on lossless audio
20:53:10linuxstbThe lossless audio blog/
20:53:13dewdudewhat webpage?
20:53:30dewdudedon't be generic...give a URL.
20:54:20webguest16I don't remember the base webpage, it was some guy's blog on lossless audio, and it redirected me to rockbox, and foobar2000
20:54:59webguest16That looks right, yeah
20:56:05webguest16Sorry to be a pain, but one more question... Is there any way for me to get lossless audio on an 80gb player?
20:56:43w1ll14mwebguest: convert audio to apple lossless via itunes, i believe that was possible
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20:57:23linuxstbBut Rockbox should hopefully work on the 80GB in the near future, so keep checking the site.
20:57:43webguest16Awesome, thanks
20:57:51w1ll14mlinuxstb: what are we stuck on at this moment for supporting the 80Gb ipod >?
20:58:04webguest16So, is the Lossless Audio Blog bad? Should I not rely on that site anymore?
20:58:05w1ll14mis it the ata driver?
20:58:30linuxstbThe FAT and (maybe) the ATA drivers.
20:58:47dewdudei can't wait till somoene optimizes ATA
20:58:53dewdudemaybe my ipod will stop locking up during disk access
20:58:59linuxstbIt is optimised...
20:59:07linuxstbamiconn did it a couple of weeks ago.
20:59:15w1ll14mnice :)
20:59:23dewdudedoesn't seem like it
20:59:32dewdudeevery time i switch tracks and it's running the hard drive, menu's lag to hell
20:59:44w1ll14mdewdude: do you use EQ?
20:59:56dewdudeand i'm NOT turning it off.
20:59:57w1ll14mdewdude:thats the prob
21:00:13w1ll14mdewdude: i have the same problem :)
21:00:31dewdudei wish i knew C, i'd rewrite the EQ...the one they use isn't even all that great
21:00:39dewdudei'm also used to 10 or 20 BAND ISO setups
21:00:40w1ll14mdewdude: but changing the frequencies a bit works fine.
21:00:50w1ll14matleast for me :)
21:01:04dewdudewell, i spent two weeks tweaking the software and hardware EQ to sound right
21:01:04linuxstbThe EQ isn't even in C, it's in assembler.
21:01:26Mikachuhaha, dewdude, do you even know what you're talking about?
21:01:29dewdudeyeah, i wish i had studied programming rather than studying audio in general
21:01:36dewdudeMikachu, not really.
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21:02:08Mikachuyou may want to tell preglow his code sucks then
21:02:17linuxstbAnd sounds like a bag of shit...
21:02:19w1ll14mMikachu: lol
21:02:34dewdudeit SOUNDS ok.
21:02:40dewdudethere's just a lack of bands
21:02:50w1ll14mi love software eq :)
21:03:03w1ll14mthe main reason for using rockbox for me ;)
21:03:30dewdudebut, as i said, i'm used to working with 10 to 20 bands...sometimes 30..
21:03:32dewdudenot 4
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21:03:58n1sdewdude: more bands => slower EQ => more lag or skips (aka A Bad Thing)
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21:04:11w1ll14mdewdude: here's some info about how to when using softeq and still a nice ui :) (was heavely flamed in this task because it was not about the task)
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21:04:31w1ll14mmaybe it's usefull
21:05:00dewduden1s, i'm aware of that....but, at least for me, i can't get the quality i want just out of the software EQ..i have to back it up with hardware
21:05:07Lloreanw1ll14m: You weren't flamed. You had it pointed out to you in no uncertain terms that Flyspray is about specific tasks.
21:05:23LloreanThere were no 'attacks' in any sense.
21:05:30LloreanYou were just told that it did not belong there.
21:05:40w1ll14mLlorean: some sort of flame, couldn't explain it in other words :) thanx for correcting me.. that was what i meant to say
21:06:29dewdudew1ll14m, that looks like a lot more work than i'm wanting to do, i'd rather stick with hving to wait 3 seconds for it to skip tracks
21:06:35Lloreanw1ll14m: A flame usually means a personal attack, or an attack of some sort. I never said your idea was bad. I said that it wasn't related to the task at hand.
21:07:25LloreanFlyspray is meant to be even more on-topic than the forums, because it is _not_ just about discussion, it's about individual tasks.
21:07:36w1ll14mLlorean: that was exactly what i meant ;) maybe i will create a task in fs or so.... just thinking about it if there is enough interest
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21:08:49LloreanWell, what you should be doing is optimizing so that the current CPU speed becomes good enough. Raising the normal and boosted speeds pretty much ignores the problem, which is "Things need to run faster"
21:08:58w1ll14mdewdude: if you want nice ui + softeq there need to be some optimizations or some modifications to rockbox. i can't run a nice ui with softeq so i decided to 'change' the frequencies (Also Coteyr did this) UI is all text
21:09:16w1ll14mLloeran: i agree that optimizations are best
21:09:37w1ll14mdewdude: use default rockbox theme, that's lightwight
21:09:49dewdudei'm using modified dark_geek
21:09:57w1ll14mdewdude: what kind of player do you have ?
21:10:03dewdude5.5 30g
21:10:07w1ll14mhmmm ok....
21:10:50w1ll14mdewdude: i you would like i can share my ipod 5g 30gb build i use for nice eq and good ui
21:11:05dewdudei just built my own.
21:11:10w1ll14mhehe :)
21:11:16dewdudewhat modifications specifically did you make
21:11:25w1ll14mjust a sec....
21:12:00dewdudei don't wanna mess a lot with cpu speeds
21:12:04w1ll14mread this patch:
21:12:15dewdudei'm not clocking it to 90
21:12:19dewdudeit's supposed to run at 75
21:12:22dewdudethat's where it's staying
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21:12:36w1ll14mthen this is no option for you :)
21:12:46dewdudeone thing i've learned in the past, it's better to deal with lag than to damage a cpu by overclocking it
21:12:56linuxstbw1ll14m: Have you tested clocking your ipod at a constant 90MHz and seeing if it's stable?
21:12:58amiconnpreglow: around?
21:13:22w1ll14mdewdude hehe :) you can change frequencies to max 80 MHz because that is the max speed the core is supposed to run without overclocking it
21:13:37w1ll14mas the docs say about pp502x
21:13:56dewdudeyeah, but then that'll drain cpu faster
21:14:16dewdudei think it's still an issue of i need to wait for things to be optimized
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21:14:28w1ll14mdewdude: my problem was that it consumes so much power from cpu with eq enabled that ipod drains out of power because the disk usage
21:14:29dewdudei mean, the last build i was running was was just older than dirt
21:14:46*dewdude scratches his head
21:14:49dewdudethat makes little sense
21:14:58dewdudeeq uses too much cpu power so it drains out cuz of disk.
21:15:02w1ll14mi compensated the power usage from disk with letting the core run at higher speeds
21:15:15linuxstbThere isn't a doc about the PP5021 - the chip in the 5g. The PP5020 docs say up to 80MHz, the PP5022 docs say up to 100MHz.
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21:15:47w1ll14mmy boost ratio is between 50% till 80% when normal usage
21:16:02w1ll14mtrue so ipod 5g's should beable to run at 80MHz
21:16:36w1ll14mnormal speed from rockbox is clocked at 32MHz mine is 60MHz −−> then boost would be 75MHz rockbox default and mine is 90MHz
21:16:38Soaplinear progression in model numbers does not equal linear progression in maximum clock speeds
21:16:59amiconnNormal speed is 30MHz
21:17:16linuxstbamiconn: What speed could you reliably run your mini g2 at?
21:17:29w1ll14mamiconn: i thought it was 32 :)
21:17:32amiconnI tried 96MHz once, and it worked for quite a while
21:17:50amiconn(an hour or so; didn't try longer)
21:17:59w1ll14mamiconn: 96MHz was unstable with my 5g 60GB but i could let my ipod 5g 30Gb run at 105 MHz
21:18:23amiconn75MHz are more than enough as long as I don't use eq
21:18:26w1ll14mbut now i clocked them to 90 MHz to exclude the possibility to damage hardware
21:18:44w1ll14mamiconn: true softeq uses a lot
21:18:45amiconn(which I would like to avoid but the mini 2g doesn't have any tone control)
21:18:58LloreanAnd we need to try to make 60mhz enough.
21:19:09LloreanIf there's any hope of a well-functioning iFP port.
21:19:20amiconnYes, 60MHz single core
21:19:20w1ll14mLlorean: then we need a lot of optimization
21:19:36linuxstbOr 54MHz for the av300...
21:19:37w1ll14mif you want to use softeq
21:19:46Lloreanw1ll14m: Yes, and there's more incentive to optimize for people if there's not someone going around saying "Or we could just run the core a bit faster and everything's fine" :-P
21:19:47*amiconn is waiting for preglow's efficient treble & bass filters
21:20:13Mikachuwe have a saying in sweden, "he who waits for a norwegian, always waits for too long"
21:20:14amiconnlinuxstb: You don't need to worry about mpeg audio performance on the av...
21:20:40linuxstbNo, but other formats...
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21:20:54w1ll14mLlorean: hehe true again :) we don't have to change frequencies, maybe some induviduals (like me) can use this to conpensate power consumption
21:21:01Mikachu(the one that isn't a joke goes "he who waits for something good never waits too long")
21:21:01linuxstbAlthough personally I'm just interested in FLAC, so I'm not concerned.
21:21:28LloreanIf an iFP port ever did finish, I'd just use mine as a recording device anyway.
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21:22:33w1ll14mdamn ... i realy ask my self sometimes what my life would be without rockbox.....
21:22:44w1ll14mit would be damn boring :)
21:22:45Mikachua lot more spare time probably
21:22:49*robin0800 test
21:23:14w1ll14mwell the dokter says i am not allowed to work for atleast 3 days :|
21:23:30LloreanOh! Right, I experienced something that may be related to the "screeching whitenoise" bug today. Some small screeches on track changes, intermittently.
21:23:56w1ll14mMikachu: so these 3 days i have all the time of the world :)
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21:24:33LloreanI haven't been able to reproduce though.
21:24:37w1ll14mdamn i hate my right thumb.....
21:24:44LloreanBut it didn't happen until after I enabled the "Follow Playlist" option
21:25:07LloreanAnd this is both the first time I've ever used that option on any of my players, and the first time I've experienced this sometimes-bug
21:25:14dewdudelike, ear splittling screeching?
21:25:22Lloreandewdude: I keep my volume quite low.
21:25:33dewdudeeven with low volume
21:25:42LloreanAn irritating short (half-second) screech, then things go back to normal
21:25:58*linuxstb wishes he had three days with no work...
21:26:08dewdudei used to get that at the studio with one of the dac boxes
21:26:43*w1ll14m wishes he had a week no pain on his thumb and wouldn't have to eat antibiotics for it so he can drink a lot of beer.......
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21:28:11*Paprica is drink alcohol when he had to eat antibiotics and didnt feel wrong
21:29:22Soapit won't cause you to feel wrong - it will prevent the antibiotics from working.
21:29:30*w1ll14m had to go to hospital in 2005 because his antibiotics didn't worked correctly and the wound in his throat came back so he couldn't sleep, eat, drink or even get his medication
21:29:53w1ll14mthat mistake won't happen again :)
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21:30:08w1ll14mthey cut 4 times in the back of my throat
21:30:18w1ll14mdamn .... that ware my goold ol days ;)
21:30:27w1ll14msuffered alot in that hospital
21:30:56w1ll14mi believe i have some bacterie in my blood which causes a lot more infections then other people have....
21:31:14w1ll14mit's an internal infection in my right thumb.....
21:31:24w1ll14mcause: unknown
21:32:10w1ll14mit realy hurtst alot ... i've had 2 hours of sleep last night ....
21:32:30w1ll14mgot to bed 11:30 and the last time i watched my clock it was 04:50
21:32:45w1ll14mand got out of bed 6:30
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21:32:53dewdudew1ll14m, i'll give your patch a try in a bit
21:33:14w1ll14mdewdude: i think it helps, it helped me a lot
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21:33:37dewdudei shall give it a try and see how it does
21:33:43Papricaw1ll14m... and now... you are ok?
21:33:48w1ll14myou can always rebuild a svn build ;)
21:33:58g33hej! why doesnt rockbox have external microphone as an option when recording on a h140?
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21:34:05g33the original firmware has it
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21:34:17w1ll14mpaprica: i still have an internal infection in my right thumb for a week now
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21:34:32w1ll14mtoday i started antibiotics
21:34:35Lloreang33: Because the original firmware option is just a change in gain.
21:34:45Lloreang33: It's a fake option, not necessary with Rockbox's full range of gain adjustments.
21:34:56g33but i set my gain to automatic (voice) and its still stupidly loooow
21:35:04LloreanThen change it.
21:35:11*Paprica is wishes to w1ll14m a complete recovery..
21:35:15g33but if its automatic, should i have to change it?
21:35:35LloreanThe automation is limited. As well, depending on your external mic, you may need a preamp.
21:35:39*w1ll14m has a strong body and is olmost never sick, that's why he went to alte to see the docter ;)
21:35:41g33what do you reckon is a good setting for using the mic?
21:35:47g33im using the mic that came with the iriver
21:36:07Lloreang33: Try different things and see what works. A lot of it depends on the environment you're recording in, and what you're trying to record.
21:36:37linuxstbI don't like to say RTFM, but does the manual say anything about it?
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21:36:41w1ll14mdewdude: nice !!! my boost ratio is 43% :)
21:36:42g33me singing and playing guitar... so a bit over voice level
21:37:21dewdudew1ll14m, well, i'll compile and see what it does
21:37:29w1ll14mdewdude: :)
21:37:36g33aight ill check the settings,.. i just thought auto would do it..
21:38:01Lloreanlinuxstb: I *think* the manual explains the various auto settings. I know I read about them somewhere, at least
21:38:21g33i have read the manual FYI, but it was a couple of weeks ago
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21:40:00dewdudeoh, hah, here's a reason i could be having problems with cpu..kernel on cop_8 patch fails
21:40:10w1ll14mlinuxstb: you could also mention RTFM as Read The Friendly Manual
21:40:34w1ll14mdewdude: i think i will need to resync......
21:40:40w1ll14mdewdude: a few secs......
21:40:43dewdudei always prefers RTFW
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21:40:49w1ll14mRTFW ?
21:40:59dewdudeit's one i made up
21:41:06w1ll14mtell me :)
21:41:06dewduderead the friggin wiki
21:41:16Lloreanlinuxstb: Yeah, the manual covers the five AGC settings
21:41:26dewdudethat goes back to my ubuntu days\
21:41:27amiconnLlorean: Strange, I never experienced screeching - and 'follow playlist' is one of my always enabled options...
21:41:33dewdudecuz anything i needed to know...was in the wiki
21:41:45Lloreanamiconn: Well, it's only happened to me the once. So it could be entirely unrelated to the option.
21:41:50LloreanI do believe in coincidence.
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21:42:13amiconnhehe, ok
21:42:40LloreanCorrelation does not imply causation. I just figured, since I don't think we've tracked this one down yet, maybe it'd be useful. Sounds like it's not. :)
21:43:03w1ll14mdewdude: patch rockbox with cop8, then run my patch (which fails with system.c)
21:43:04preglowamiconn: yeah
21:43:17dewdudeTHAT is probably why it failed
21:43:21w1ll14mthem edit firmware/system.c find outl(0xaa020000 | 8 | (postmult << 8), 0x60006034);
21:43:26dewdudei think i ran your patch first
21:43:30w1ll14medit it to outl(0xaa020000 | 24 | (postmult << 8), 0x60006034);
21:43:33dewdudei dn't edit code.
21:43:42dewdudei screw it up somehow
21:43:43w1ll14mlemme write new patch
21:43:44dewdudebut, ok.
21:43:54dewdudeok, 8 to 24
21:43:55dewdudethat i can do.
21:44:05w1ll14mbut then you need to patch cop8 first
21:44:12w1ll14mso start a clean svn
21:44:33amiconnpreglow: I found that in couldfire FRACMUL_8() and FRACMUL_8_LOOP_PART() there is a potential optimisation if you write something in asm that is right now written in C
21:44:45dewdudeor remove your patch....
21:44:50dewdudewhich is what i did
21:44:57dewdudenow i can reapply it
21:45:04amiconnIf gcc is clever enough, it will catch this opt itself, but I don't trust in gcc...
21:45:04w1ll14myou could :)
21:45:13w1ll14mif this works fine, then it's no problem ....
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21:45:22dewdudenow your patch fails.
21:45:26hachihas there been a discussion anywhere on why apple chose to switch to 2k block sizes in the 5.5g?
21:45:32amiconnI am referring to the d = (d << 8) | (u & 0xff); part
21:45:32w1ll14mnow edit firmware/system.c
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21:45:39dewdudeyour patch failed.
21:45:58w1ll14mfind outl(0xaa020000 | 8 | (postmult << 8), 0x60006034); −−> outl(0xaa020000 | 24 | (postmult << 8), 0x60006034);
21:46:08amiconnThis would just be a lsl.l #8 followed by a move.b ...
21:46:19dewdudedude, do i have to tell you again, your patch failed.
21:46:46w1ll14mdewdude it fails because the line outl(0xaa020000 | 8 | (postmult << 8), 0x60006034); was changed by cop8
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21:47:08dewdudeand that's enough to throw it off?
21:47:20amiconnpreglow: Apart from that I would like to know how far you got with the treble & bass filter
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21:47:27preglowamiconn: it's next on my list
21:47:34w1ll14mdewdude: i'm still working on the patch
21:47:36jhMikeSpreglow: I happened to somehow convert everything from the codec to the pcm buffer to use per channel sample counts and somehow that had the effect of fixing resampler clicks ;)
21:47:37preglowamiconn: and yeah, i'll be writing the replaygain loop in asm
21:47:55preglowjhMikeS: then hooray! that's a better way than now anyway
21:48:09amiconnI was referring to the eq filter commit
21:48:23jhMikeSpreglow: indeed it dumping a lot of complication and only requires one pcmbuf_insert function
21:48:25preglowamiconn: yeah, but the FRACMUL_8 macros are only used by the replaygain code
21:48:30amiconnah ok
21:48:34preglowamiconn: what part of the code, btw?
21:49:06amiconn[21:44:32] <amiconn> I am referring to the d = (d << 8) | (u & 0xff); part
21:49:08preglowjhMikeS: don't we already have just one?
21:49:09amiconn[21:45:08] <amiconn> This would just be a lsl.l #8 followed by a move.b ...
21:49:22preglowamiconn: ahh, yes, see it
21:49:32jhMikeSpreglow: no, there was pcmbuf_insert_split and pcmbuf_insert which called pcmbuf_insert_split in the codec api
21:50:08preglowjhMikeS: yeah, but like you say, they're both really just pcmbuf_insert_split
21:50:10jhMikeSI made it so you just set ch2 to NULL for interleaved
21:50:27preglowis it commit ready?
21:50:52jhMikeSI'd like to test more, don't know if I goofed changing any codec outputs from bytes
21:51:02preglowamiconn: that's a nice trick to be aware of anyway, i might also be able to use it in FRACMUL_SHL
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21:51:34dewdudeno, dude
21:51:34dewdudei did what you said, edited the line
21:51:34dewdudeand it still fails
21:51:38dewdudelet me know when you get it working.
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21:51:52jhMikeSpreglow: if you want a patch to check out then sure :) it does work on what I checked
21:51:55w1ll14mdewdude :) working on it
21:51:59preglowamiconn: i really keep forgetting that coldfire has any .b instructions at all...
21:52:10preglowjhMikeS: would be cool, can't test it now, but can soon
21:52:15amiconnThese are sometimes rather useful...
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21:53:02SMILE_Manhello where i can download ipod fw , give me a link plaece
21:53:17preglowamiconn: indeed
21:54:07*jhMikeS should probably remove the looping in some codecs based on the return value of pcmbuf_insert since that seems like a holdover from something else
21:54:27preglowjhMikeS: i think there are a lot of holdovers from other things around
21:54:55*n1s wonders if Bagder has gone dark :-P
21:55:06w1ll14mdewdude: try this one:
21:55:12dewdudeok, well
21:55:14dewdudei'm about to step out
21:55:15jhMikeSpreglow: I'm guessing it's from a time the pcmbuf_insert in the core was called directly by the codecs or something
21:55:18w1ll14mdewdude, you need a clean svn and then patch COP8 then this patch
21:55:39Music_ShuffleAnyone got a minute to help me out?
21:55:43w1ll14mdewdude: let me know :)
21:55:55LloreanSMILE_Man: The official instructions that include mention of it also have a link to it.
21:55:56n1sMusic_Shuffle: just ask your question
21:56:09preglowjhMikeS: starting to be a long time ago now, but it once was like that, yes
21:56:23Music_ShuffleWell, when I try to run the ipodpatcher step, it gives me an error to the effect of...'the device is not an iPod, aborting'
21:56:39preglowbah, no i can't use this trick in FRACMUL_SHL since i don't always need all eight bits
21:56:55*preglow hates FRACMUL_SHL on coldfire
21:56:55Soapwhat model ipod do you have Music_Shuffle ?
21:56:58preglowplease optimise that :>
21:57:01jhMikeSpreglow: it's actually a potential lockup waiting to happen if the dsp returns <= 0 for the input size
21:57:08Music_ShuffleSoap, Nano 1st gen
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21:57:27preglowbbl in 30 mins
21:57:27Soapcan you see your ipod as a drive in windows explorer?
21:57:27desowin <- shouldn't USB/Charger detection be updated ?
21:58:05Music_ShuffleSoap, Nautilus*, and I can see it
21:58:29Soapsee what happens when I assume!
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21:58:46Soapwhich instructions are you using Music_Shuffle ?
21:58:48Lloreandesowin: It's a wiki page.
21:58:49w1ll14mdewdude: whoops.... my mistake....
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21:59:11Soapmy god - we got someone to read the manual!
21:59:21Music_ShuffleIndeed ;P
21:59:24Soapyes, those are the good instructions.
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21:59:28Mikachulast time i checked alumminum was not spelled like that
21:59:35desowinLlorean: yes, but I think it was fixed in 12198 revision
21:59:48LloreanMusic_Shuffle: Your iPod is windows formatted, and has nothing else (ipodLinux) installed?
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21:59:57n1sMusic_Shuffle: what does it tell you when you run ipodpatcher −−scan
21:59:59LloreanMikachu: Aluminium?
22:00:10Lloreandesowin: Yes, and it's a wiki page. You can update it.
22:00:18Mikachuyes, i know how it's spelled, but it's wrong in the manual :)
22:00:42Music_Shufflen1s, err, does that command need changed for CLI?
22:00:58Music_ShuffleLlorean, well, its never touched Windows actually.
22:01:16Soapbut is it FAT or HFS formatted?
22:01:18Music_ShuffleI just ran it with GTKPod, never installed anything on it per se.
22:01:27n1sMusic_Shuffle: sorry that is windows only
22:02:02*n1s should stop trying to help ipodders, since he has never actually used one...
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22:02:21MikachuMusic_Shuffle: what is the actual command you ran?
22:02:38*linuxstb came to ask that exact question, and predicts there will be a 1 at the end...
22:02:55Music_ShuffleMikachu, ./ipodpatcher N -r bootpartition.bin (Mac OS X/Unix)
22:02:58Music_Shufflethat one >.>
22:03:09MikachuMusic_Shuffle: no, what did you type in your terminal?
22:03:18desowinLlorean: so I need 'upgrade' on my wiki account (TomaszMon)
22:03:25Music_Shuffle ./ipodpatcher /dev/sdb2 -r bootpartition.bin
22:03:33Mikachulinuxstb: close, but no cigar
22:03:40MikachuMusic_Shuffle: lose the 2
22:03:41LloreanMusic_Shuffle: /sdb2 is a partition, rather than a drive.
22:04:29Lloreandesowin: Done.
22:04:30desowinMusic_Shuffle: /dev/sdb is drive
22:04:57linuxstbMusic_Shuffle: You're not the first person to do that, so I'm wondering what in the instructions made you do it? Did you use the −−scan option with ipodpatcher?
22:05:01Music_ShuffleI never knew that the 2 was for a partition.
22:05:14Music_Shufflelinuxstb, neg, that's the windows one
22:05:25Music_Shufflebut the *Instructions say to go with what mount tells you
22:05:30Music_Shuffleand...mount lists it with the 2
22:05:43Music_Shuffle*Nix instructions*
22:06:11linuxstbThe manual says that?
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22:06:35Music_ShuffleWell, really it just says it for OSX users
22:06:41Lloreanlinuxstb: Apparently it does, at least the HTML/website one
22:06:55*Llorean goes to check the PDF
22:07:05Music_Shufflebut because that step, unlike every other one, doesn't list a *Nix equivalent, but the others all just go with OSX...its sorta natural to just follow it there too.
22:07:37Lloreanlinuxstb: −−scan works on all OSes right?
22:08:26linuxstbLlorean: Yes.
22:08:40Lloreanlinuxstb: I'll fix the manual then
22:08:59amiconnlinuxstb: Btw, couldn't ipodpatcher just use the result of −−scan for patching?
22:09:09linuxstbAlthough on the Mac, I'm pretty sure you need to unmount the partition - meaning the scan isn't that useful.
22:09:10amiconnWould save one (obviously error prone) step
22:09:29Lloreanlinuxstb: I'll just edit it so that it says "Windows/Linux" then for using −−scan
22:09:48amiconnOf course it should ask first (or do nothing at all) if it finds more than one ipod
22:10:22linuxstbI'm reluctant to do that, but ipodpatcher has probably proven itself reliable enough. I was thinking of also embedding the bootloaders...
22:10:28amiconnUser which connect multiple ipods *and* use ipodpatcher probably know what they are doing
22:12:17amiconnPerhaps just automate -a; users using -wf with a bootloader (like me) should also know what they are doing
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22:14:31linuxstbOr maybe just a new "install" option which will install the embedded bootloader.
22:15:48GodEaternice idea
22:17:10LloreanI like that.
22:17:33linuxstbBut I think automating -a would be useful as well.
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22:18:49linuxstbBut there's still the problem with loading the apple firmware on the 4g/mini/mini2g to fix...
22:19:55GodEateryour todo list just keeps growing huh ? :)
22:20:40linuxstbWhat are you up to nowadays? Now the 80GB problem has been identified...
22:21:09GodEaterwell I had a look at fixing the fat driver, but quickly decided that's a job for one person, and LinusN is more talented than me :)
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22:21:21GodEaterotherwise not a lot
22:21:36GodEaterhanding out helpful(?) advice in the forums
22:21:51Music_ShuffleAnother fairly quick am I adding music? >.>
22:21:58Lloreanlinuxstb: Have you identified the 4g/mini/mini2g problem?
22:22:13GodEateryeah, if you have, I don't mind trying to mend ipodpatcher
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22:22:40Lloreanlinuxstb: Or is it a case of "someone needs to prod at things until they figure out where it's broken, or compare two bootpartition.bins side by side for discrepancies"?
22:22:41linuxstbLlorean: No.
22:23:24preglowjhMikeS: got a patch for me?
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22:23:37*jhMikeS notices recording settings sticking up in the status bar
22:23:43jhMikeSpreglow: I'll make one
22:23:55linuxstbIt seems there are two problems though - 1) The recent bootloaders don't work, even with the old ipod_fw install method; and 2) ipodpatcher breaks loading the OF when installing even the old bootloader.
22:25:06GodEaterdo we suspect that's a COP issue ?
22:25:06Lloreanlinuxstb: How many people have tried old bootloader / new patcher and vice versa?
22:25:06preglowlinuxstb: btw, how does retailos behave in the face of a heavily shrinked bootpart?
22:25:30linuxstbMusic_Shuffle: You can just copy the files to your ipod's FAT32 partition and play them in the Rockbox file browser, or sync using itunes or an itunes replacement, and use Rockbox's database feature.
22:25:46linuxstbpreglow: It will happily hibernate and corrupt your FAT32 partition...
22:26:03Music_ShuffleSo I could just drag the files into the /media/iPod folder?
22:26:20preglowlinuxstb: hahaha
22:26:29preglowlinuxstb: i had a hunch that's what would happen
22:26:35Mikachupreglow: i shrunk it and made a second fat partition in the spare space, so i don't lose everything if i leave OF on
22:26:52preglowthink i'll just go the never-use-retailos route
22:27:06preglowsucks for copying, though
22:27:07Mikachumy nano is of the "emergency disk mode is painfully slow"-variety
22:27:31Mikachuit won't hibernate when it's plugged into usb at least
22:27:42preglowi eagerly await direct usb support :)
22:27:44LloreanWell, one day we'll have a USB mode.
22:27:49LloreanAnd then retail OS is gone forever.
22:28:06Mikachuthat usb doc someone found, what functionalities does it cover?
22:28:20Mikachuusb client mode, usb host mode, or just telling if usb is connected?
22:28:28linuxstbI think it's just the datasheet, rather than the high-level stuff.
22:28:41LloreanYeah, we still need a USB stack on Rockbox too.
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22:28:55linuxstbBut I think it covers all the features of the hardware - host, device, OTG or whatever there is.
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22:29:12Mikachuit wouldn't be crazy to make usb mode a plugin maybe? (and launch it automatically on insertion)
22:29:27LloreanIs there any need to do that?
22:29:30linuxstbI think we're a long way from making that choice...
22:29:37Mikachui just realized that too :)
22:29:45Mikachumy thoughts just raced ahead for a moment
22:29:52preglowlinuxstb: don't we have all the info we need, though? i think someone even mentioned a linux driver
22:30:24Mikachuit would be neat if you could connect various things to the ipod, usb-irda, cameras, etc :)</wishful thinking>
22:31:26preglowneat indeed, but i really just want to be rid of retailos
22:31:30LloreanMikachu: Now, plugins that can make use of a USB-Host connection would be neat.
22:31:53LloreanSuch as a limited filebrowser that lets you select a bunch of files, and then click "Copy" and copy them to the iPod, or whatnot. Mass transfers, etc.
22:32:03preglownow, if i could connect my midi keyboard to a rockbox device via usb
22:32:06preglowthen i would implode
22:32:10Mikachuyeah, heh
22:32:13jhMikeSpreglow: it stripped the last line feed so just add that
22:32:19Mikachuthe zune can lick its ass then
22:32:30Mikachuer, or whatever you say in english
22:32:32jhMikeSpreglow: That one's been bouncing around in my head too :)
22:33:22Mikachualso just to clarify, when i said usb mode earlier i meant the client mode for copying files to the pc (or another rockbox in host mode for that matter)
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22:34:00preglowjhMikeS: yes, if that happens, i can promise you some mad synthesis code being commited, heh
22:34:17preglowwith filters, envelopes, lfos and reverbs aplenty
22:34:41Mikachubut it's not enough to make you write the usb code? :)
22:34:41preglowtesting the patch now
22:34:46jhMikeSpreglow: well, I figured if I made a synth that it would be cool to use it with a keyboard
22:34:46preglowMikachu: hell no
22:34:58preglowlooking forward to hearing a clickfree resampler now...
22:35:13Mikachumy midi keyboard only has a midi connection, are there gadgets that convert to usb?
22:35:23preglowhmm, i wouldn't know
22:35:24Mikachujust curious
22:35:31jhMikeSthere is one rub...199.9% on an mp3 version 1 file...not suprising there might be one here or there for downsampling
22:35:32preglowall newer midi keyboards do have usb, though
22:35:42Mikachui'm unlikely to lug my midi keyboard anywhere away from my computer though
22:36:26preglowjhMikeS: i don't get what you're saying
22:37:06Lloreanbluebrother: I think #5744 is unfortunately two patches on one tracker task.
22:37:18jhMikeSpreglow: there's that one setting that still has clicks but I don't think it's from improper sizes any longer...could remedy that maybe
22:38:01jhMikeSonly on mp3 version 1 44.1kHz
22:38:20jhMikeSall upsampling is fine
22:38:25Mikachuwhat is "version 1" mp3?
22:38:47jhMikeSMikachu: anything with sample rates of 32000, 44100, or 48000
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22:39:18Mikachui have some 48kHz from music videos and such
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22:39:50preglowjhMikeS: well, that does point to the problem still not being quite gone, yes
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22:40:06jhMikeSpreglow: don't know if you want to look at the pcmbuf_insert calls and see if I goofed the change anywhere
22:40:48preglow199.9% clicks like mad now
22:40:50preglowit didn't before
22:41:27preglowhm, at least i can't remember downsampling ever clicking
22:41:29jhMikeSI was gonna take a look at that too
22:41:45jhMikeSpreglow: I tested with cvs and a 1kHz tone and it does
22:42:04jhMikeSsvn rather
22:42:05preglowthis would be slightly easier to test
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22:42:49LloreanI keep expecting someone to get so fed up with the sim they actually fix it.
22:42:56LloreanMaybe we should have a pool on who'll do it. :-P
22:43:11jhMikeSis it just the 64bit sim or all of them?
22:43:39preglowLlorean: gdb can't tell me where the bloody crash is
22:43:51bluebrotherLlorean, just read your comment. Sounds reasonable to me
22:44:04preglowwhich makes the effort required bigger than i can be bothered to set about with right now
22:44:17Lloreanbluebrother: I personally am of the opinion that one part is a good feature, and the other is fluff.
22:44:20jhMikeSok, never mind dumb question I should be on the up and up on ;P
22:44:27preglowjhMikeS: i can't make anything other than near-200% click, though
22:44:37preglowjhMikeS: just the 64 bit as far as i know, but hey
22:44:40preglowthat's all i have to test with
22:44:50jhMikeSpreglow: Me neither and only for the mp3
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22:46:09preglowjhMikeS: ogg here
22:46:13preglowjhMikeS: for anything, as a matter of fact
22:46:45bluebrotherI'm not sure about the car mode ... that's intended for use in a car, and in that you will have a charger only device
22:46:56jhMikeSreally? Only mp3 for me, never tried ogg
22:46:57preglowdelay that..
22:47:01preglowogg does it, mp3 does it
22:47:02preglowflac doesn't
22:47:12Mikachui think the word is belay
22:47:16bluebrotheri.e. nothing that could trigger usb mode as we now can distinguish between usb and wall charger on pp targets
22:47:20Lloreanbluebrother: But only PortalPlayer properly detect chargers vs. normal USB, right?
22:47:40bluebrotherdon't know about h300 and archos
22:47:48preglowx bloody rebooted
22:47:52Lloreanbluebrother: The Ondio, Gigabeat, and H300 can charge from USB, but I'm not sure if they can detect or not
22:48:10Lloreanbluebrother: Well, Ondio is powered by USB, not charged, I believe
22:48:16jhMikeSpreglow: well, it rules out size silliness in the byte<>samples conversion. not sure if it's running to small values at the end of the frame or something
22:48:56bluebrotherwell, if it's powered by usb I guess there is some way to find out if it's usb or power only.
22:49:00bluebrotherbut I don't know.
22:49:19Lloreanbluebrother: Well, right now, on Ondio you have to hold down a button while plugging in.
22:49:37*linuxstb pings amiconn to ask about USB charger/computer connections on the h300 and ondio...
22:49:40bluebrotherwhen we are able to distinguish between usb and power only I don't think something like special handling is needed
22:50:03preglowmpc also clicks
22:50:17preglowflac is interleaved, right?
22:50:19Lloreanbluebrother: Yeah, if we can distinguish on all targets, then no special handling should be needed.
22:50:22jhMikeSpreglow: no
22:50:27Lloreanbluebrother: But that assumes that every target *can* distinguish.
22:50:48LloreanJust tested, the Gigabeat at least does not at this time. Probably nobody's tried yet though
22:50:53jhMikeSpreglow: are the frame sizes among those related?
22:51:17linuxstbDoes the gigabeat come with a "real" charger as well?
22:51:23bluebrotherif it's just not implemented we should just keep the current way
22:51:38Lloreanlinuxstb: Yes
22:51:49bluebrotherif there is absolutely no way of distinguishing, then it might be an option.
22:51:57Lloreanlinuxstb: The gigabeat has a normal DC charger, and can charge over USB if you hold down Menu while plugging in.
22:52:07linuxstbBut I don't think that's the issue - the people who seem to want this patch haven't mentioned a wall charger at all afaics.
22:52:14preglowjhMikeS: well, so long, wavpack, flac and wav does not click here
22:52:17preglowjhMikeS: ogg, mp3, mpc does
22:52:31preglowjhMikeS: frame sizes are related in the last two, not so with ogg
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22:52:58Lloreanlinuxstb: So far, the only topic of discussion is yet another case of "Why do we have crossfeed, which I don't use, but not this!"
22:52:59jhMikeSaiff was fine too but that's just wav again
22:53:25preglowjhMikeS: ok, i could have sworn you said flac was interleaved yesterday
22:53:29preglowbut i know pretty well myself that it's not
22:53:35pixelmaLlorean: the Ondio doesn't charge via USB
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22:53:47*n1s spams the tracker :-P
22:53:55jhMikeSpreglow: I remember you telling me wavpack was noninterleaved yesterday...hehe
22:54:01Lloreanpixelma: It's powered by USB, right? Not charge.
22:55:13preglowjhMikeS: wavpack is interleaved
22:55:22Lloreanpixelma: I corrected myself to say that, or tried to. :)
22:55:36jhMikeSyes, I of course saw that :)
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22:55:50pixelmayes... I read that a bit later :P
22:55:55preglowdavid bryant was the guy who did not want me to remove interleaved support, heh
22:55:57LloreanOne day I want to sit down and play with every single Rockbox target just so I can slightly familiarize myself with them
22:55:59jhMikeSmakes sense if you want a wave file back
22:56:25preglowjhMikeS: well, i've fixed it, i think
22:56:52jhMikeSthe 199.9%?
22:56:53preglowi had a hunch that would bite us sooner or later :)
22:57:02preglowjhMikeS: yes, just testing a bit more
22:57:40preglowjhMikeS: yeah, as far as i can tell, i've fixed it
22:58:16jhMikeSwhat'd you do? I hadn't gotten to it yet and have no clue.
22:58:52preglowjhMikeS: in dsp_input_count(), you need to add the current phase to the delta before multiplying by count in the else case
22:59:06preglowjhMikeS: or else the answer might be off by one sample if the current pos is really close to being 1
22:59:36preglowno wait, that makes no sense
22:59:55preglowit did fix the clicking, but it makes no sense
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23:00:34jhMikeSWith the step being >= 0x10000 in the numerator in both cases, nothing should return 0
23:01:05jhMikeSthat wasn't quite right :P
23:01:38preglowjhMikeS: anyway, you need to add the delta after multiplying, but before shifting
23:01:43preglowjhMikeS: THAT makes sense, and also fixed the clicking
23:01:50preglowadd the PHASE, not the delta
23:02:06preglowmy brain hates making sense
23:02:32preglowjhMikeS: how the current phase figures into the < NATIVE_FREQ case, i don't know
23:02:38jhMikeSfiguring the main reason for the whole bug hated making sense
23:03:16jhMikeSI don't see that it should for upsampling
23:03:51preglowjhMikeS: but yes, that does make sense for the "else" case, doesn't it? you multiply count by delta to find out how many samples are spat out, but you also need to add in current phase in case we're already pretty close to spitting out a sample
23:04:33preglowplease make playback.c not need dsp_input/output_count :)
23:05:11jhMikeShrm, it needs at least one to allocate some pcm buffer space
23:05:26preglowit seems returning too much doesn't matter
23:05:29preglowreturning too little does
23:06:23jhMikeSwell, can't have it overflowing the resampling buffer :)
23:06:43jhMikeSbut it seems downsampling needs the finer tuning
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23:07:53jhMikeSso adding phase in the "else" case before the shift makes it all nice and better?
23:09:42preglowwell, yes
23:09:52preglowit 1. is logical, 2. removes the clicking
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23:10:23preglowtry it yourself to see if it declicks whatever you found that did click
23:10:25jhMikeShmmm...nice, and yeah that makes sense and should be safe
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23:13:46jhMikeSnow 199.5-199.8 click
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23:14:30preglownot here, though
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23:14:51jhMikeSis this what you did:
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23:14:51jhMikeS count = (int)(((unsigned long)count *
23:14:51jhMikeS resample_data[current_codec].delta +
23:14:51DBUGEnqueued KICK jhMikeS
23:14:51jhMikeS resample_data[current_codec].phase) >> 16);
23:15:21sam999can i get some help with installing
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23:15:42sam999i have a 5g ipod video 30 u2 edition
23:15:58sam999i dled the newest daily build
23:16:00preglow count = (int)((((unsigned long)count *
23:16:00preglow resample_data[current_codec].delta) +
23:16:00preglow resample_data[current_codec].phase) >> 16);
23:16:11sam999i extracted to the ipod main directory
23:16:26preglowwhich does differ in one key point :)
23:16:41sam999i made a new folder in C:
23:16:51sam999i dled the two files
23:17:02sam999ipodpatcher −−scan
23:17:12sam999im on windows
23:17:21sam999diskutil unmount /dev/disk1s2
23:17:24sam999wasnt wrking
23:17:29sam999diskutil unmount /dev/disk1s3*
23:17:45Lloreansam999: The guide shouldn't tell you to do that in windows...
23:17:58sam999and thats correct
23:18:05sam999reading it said mac only
23:18:22jhMikeSpreglow: which is? lest I'm missing something but multiply has higher precedence than add. will try it though :)
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23:18:48sam999Llorean, but it does say
23:18:49sam999When ipodpatcher finds your Ipod, remember the number it displays after the words “disk device”- this will be the number you use to access your Ipod in the following steps. So, for example, if ipodpatcher displays “disk device 1” you will use the number 1 in the commands described below.
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23:19:01sam999do i disreguard that
23:19:21LloreanIt tells you that's for windows users.
23:19:29preglowjhMikeS: of course you're right, it shouldn't matter...
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23:19:55preglowunwrapping lines makes my paranthesis matching brain centre go haywire
23:20:03sam999so the next cmd is
23:20:04sam999ipodpatcher N -r bootpartition.bin
23:20:11bospaadjeI was just reading back the discussion of about an hour ago
23:20:29sam999and i get
23:20:45bospaadjesomeone mentioned writing the linux version of the manual for ipod, cause it doesn't say anything about using ipodpatcher −−scan on linux
23:20:48sam999eroprr opening disk, the system cannot find the file
23:20:50preglowthose paranthesis of mine are left there because of the idiotic first attempt
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23:21:00Lloreanbospaadje: Not writing a linux version, just clarifying which of the two sets you use for linux.
23:21:07Lloreansam999: What did you use for N?
23:21:10bospaadjesomeone else then said that ipodpatcher −−scan should work
23:21:16bospaadjeit doesn't, at least not for me
23:21:22bospaadje(i'm on linux)
23:21:22Lloreanbospaadje: Are you using the newest official version?
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23:21:35bospaadjeI installed last tuesday
23:21:39jhMikeSpreglow: no difference 1kHz sine wav mp3 still hates it
23:21:47bospaadjeI'll try the new one
23:21:47Lloreanbospaadje: What does −−scan do when you have a clean iPod attached?
23:22:00sam999see its little things like that where my ADD really kills me, thanks Llorean
23:22:09bospaadjeit didn't work last tuesday, when i didn't have rockbox installed yet, either
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23:22:25Lloreanbospaadje: That doesn't answer my question. "Didn't work" doesn't tell me what it said.
23:23:02bospaadjeit says "no ipods found"
23:23:14jhMikeSsuppose I'll go to dumping the dsp output directly to disk like I did before
23:23:22Lloreanbospaadje: What type of iPod was it?
23:23:29bospaadjeipod nano 1st gen
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23:23:48Lloreanbospaadje: Odd, if nothing but the Apple firmware is on it, it should work fine.
23:24:03Lloreanbospaadje: Talk to linuxstb about it when he's around.
23:24:08sam999Llorean, thanks, that was the little help i needed
23:24:20linuxstbbospaadje: Does typing the command "ipodpatcher /dev/sdX" show something? (where sdX is your ipod)
23:24:33bospaadjewhat does that command do?
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23:24:44linuxstbIt just shows information about that device.
23:25:00preglowjhMikeS: the sim already can do that
23:25:01bospaadjehmm i think i know what the problem is
23:25:04preglow−−debug-audio or something
23:25:22bospaadjeok - it's permissions
23:25:29bospaadjenot ipodpatchers fault
23:25:41bospaadjebut it should be mentioned in the manual
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23:26:20bospaadjeif you don't have permission to /dev/sdX (sdX being your ipod), it just shows "no ipods found"
23:26:23jhMikeSpreglow: don't like to use the sim always if any bitwise behavior varies between the device and an Intel cpu
23:26:37bospaadje(when you run ipodpatcher −−scan)
23:27:01bospaadjeI ran it as root, then it works fine
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23:28:57bospaadjealso, if you are going to use the windows instructions there, it should probably mention you should unmount it if it mounts automagically
23:28:59preglowjhMikeS: but it really shouldn't, should it?
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23:30:47jhMikeSpreglow: no, it _shouldn't_ but I'm looney, remember? :)
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23:33:35preglowjhMikeS: anyway, i can't make my 440hz sine click
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23:33:40*jhMikeS just freaked 'cause he _thought_ he plugged the wrong adapter into the H120 :o but there's only one adapter around
23:34:57XavierGrjhMikeS: I suggest to bannish all the other adapters from your room :p
23:35:21XavierGrwrong AC adapter is the #1 natural enemy of H100s
23:35:36XavierGrtons of H100s have been bricked that way
23:35:51preglowjhMikeS: no way in hell can i make it click, what format is your sine?
23:36:02jhMikeSThey're neatly away from the H120 but I still freak and think about the consequences
23:36:15jhMikeSpreglow: mp3, 44100HZ, 1kHz tone
23:37:07jhMikeSstereo too, if that should matter
23:38:42preglowright, i'll try to encode it
23:38:59preglowonly every 100th attempt at mp3 playing works here, so i'll do ogg
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23:40:07preglowhmm, nothing
23:40:45jhMikeSyou're using the sim? I'm listening in headphones on the device.
23:40:52preglowusing the sim, yes
23:41:04preglowi guess i could try target...
23:41:23preglowi'm kind of fed up with on-target debugging, heh
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23:47:15amiconnlinuxstb: pong...
23:47:47jhMikeSpreglwo: ok, so any difference? if there is that's repeat[G#, A, F]
23:47:50preglowjhMikeS: well, what do you know...
23:48:12preglowjhMikeS: this time it's fancy clicking, though... non-periodic
23:48:29preglowwell, it is periodic, but with a longer one and several clicks in one period
23:48:43sam999im a noob in destress
23:48:53sam999can i get someone i can PM
23:49:15jhMikeSpreglow: yes, doin' that high falutin' stuff :)
23:49:32preglow124.8% does it too
23:49:39preglowwith a reaaaaaally long period
23:49:56LinusNsam999: just ask your question here
23:50:02preglowartifact is completely different with ogg
23:50:08sam999im gonna have like 500
23:50:09preglowand non-existant with wav
23:50:16sam999it froze
23:50:29preglowjhMikeS: with wav, it's spot on all the time
23:50:31LinusNsam999: start by telling us which player yuu have
23:50:36sam999how do u reboot the ipodf again
23:50:40linuxstbamiconn: Have you tried your USB AC adapter on your other devices with USB charging? Does Rockbox correctly detect the difference?
23:50:51sam999ipod 5g 30 gig u2 edition
23:50:57Lloreanlinuxstb: It doesn't with Gigabeat.
23:51:10preglowjhMikeS: definitely frame size dependent, yes, with mpeg it's really predominant
23:51:15sam999ok i reboot it
23:51:19sam999first off
23:51:27sam999i dont think it like ml_pod
23:51:55jhMikeSpreglow: that's what I've discovered myself...but how to tweak it away...hmmm
23:52:11preglowwell, i don't even know what the problem is...
23:52:37amiconnlinuxstb: So far I only tried h300, but I think that it's not possible to distinguish between usb charger and "full" usb on any of the hardware-usb targets
23:53:09jhMikeSlive dump time for me and see...easy to add in
23:53:16sam999Llorean, when playing a song
23:53:26sam999how do i get back to the main menu
23:54:15sam999figured that
23:54:36amiconnThe bus voltage is probably the only way to detect usb on these targets. The only chip which has "insight" to the usb connection on these targets is the usb-ata (or usb-mmc, whatever) bridge
23:54:44LinusNsam999: here's something for you:
23:54:50ace214i was about to say
23:54:51sam999im reading
23:55:13amiconnAnd that bridge just has some enable pins, and either doesn't report back at all, or only reports back whether there are transfers running (Ondio)
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23:58:56brickedhi, i used ipodpatcher to load the bootloader, but I dont think i transferred the rockbox OS properly

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