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00:01:19 | jhMikeS | preglow: I wonder though if any untruthful codecs should be fixed or it's best to just ignore remainders in the size...or both? |
00:01:35 | preglow | jhMikeS: i'd say fixed |
00:01:51 | preglow | hiding bugs like that is never good |
00:01:52 | Ar53n | It works Llorean! |
00:02:03 | Ar53n | u rock =) |
00:03:05 | jhMikeS | preglow: true, could be a beasty thing to find in some codecs. I know flac does it, but what else? I guess I have to make files of every format and test. |
00:03:16 | Hans-Martin | bye folks, it's late... |
00:03:30 | Ar53n | bye! |
00:03:37 | Hans-Martin | markun: thx for the battery connector encouragement :-) |
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00:04:49 | preglow | jhMikeS: i've got files of every format, so if you've got a patch or some code for easy testing lying around |
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00:07:06 | jhMikeS | preglow: no patch lying around yet. |
00:08:19 | preglow | sure, but lemme know when you do and i can plow through most of the codecs to see |
00:08:44 | linuxstb | What's the FLAC bug? |
00:08:55 | jhMikeS | Well, shouldn't the data be multiples of the sample size? if size % sample_size != 0 ...tis wrong |
00:10:04 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: that flac might be giving the wrong data size to the callback |
00:10:54 | jhMikeS | I'm gonna do extra checks to see for sure |
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00:11:02 | linuxstb | What should it be giving? The size in bytes? |
00:12:05 | barrywardell | BiptoN: has the ipod got the same recording screen bug as my H10? |
00:12:51 | preglow | linuxstb: i think so, yes, per channel |
00:12:56 | preglow | or something, it always confuses me |
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00:14:59 | jhMikeS | but..meh...it's using (fc.blocksize-fc.sample_skip)*4 as the size arg so now I'm confused |
00:15:15 | linuxstb | I think that's size in bytes - 4 is sizeof(int_32) |
00:15:42 | linuxstb | blocksize is the number of samples in that frame. |
00:17:36 | jhMikeS | The resampler clicking stops if I decrease size in the callback by the amount acually traversed by the pointer and yet convert_to_internal ends up incrementing it by size bytes anyways or should |
00:19:06 | jhMikeS | so why's it end up decrementing the size parameter too much and stopping the frame early? that's the dilemma. |
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00:21:52 | Strife | wow.. first time a compiled build has worked for without any issues |
00:22:06 | Strife | I didn't even have to disable frequency scaling |
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00:24:04 | barrywardell | JdGordon: I'm having a settings problem ;) recscreen_on isn't being set properly. It's always on! |
00:24:13 | barrywardell | any ideas? |
00:24:22 | JdGordon | umm |
00:25:01 | barrywardell | JdGordon: try going into the recording screen, then exit it and go into the wps. look at the statusbar and you'll see what I mean |
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00:25:57 | JdGordon | works fine here... |
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00:26:15 | JdGordon | silly questions... your using svn and tryed restting your settings? |
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00:27:34 | barrywardell | JdGordon: yes. using svn |
00:27:49 | barrywardell | resetting settings fixes it until I go into the recording screen again |
00:27:55 | MonkeyTamer | It would seem that the committed patch for USB detection works well on the ipod color |
00:28:22 | JdGordon | barrywardell: which target? or all (not that it really should make a difference :'( ) |
00:28:33 | barrywardell | H10 is the only one I've tested on |
00:28:53 | JdGordon | oh wait, im not using svn.... i may have broken that with the reset changes |
00:29:11 | barrywardell | a look at the config file shows recscreen_on being on. |
00:29:33 | DerPapst | ping linuxstb |
00:29:45 | DerPapst | ;) |
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00:31:45 | barrywardell | JdGordon: ah. was that 12172? |
00:31:59 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Ping. |
00:32:12 | JdGordon | barrywardell: which? |
00:32:24 | JdGordon | I tried svn on my h300 and there is no problem :( |
00:32:31 | barrywardell | the changes you were talking about. |
00:32:38 | barrywardell | were they revision 12171? |
00:32:54 | DerPapst | hi linuxstb. i saw the changes to ipodpatcher... but in #ipl is someone who wasn't able to compile it on osx |
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00:33:10 | JdGordon | yes |
00:33:12 | DerPapst | linuxstb: http://pastebin.ca/340697 |
00:33:21 | linuxstb | DerPapst: OK, let me try (I'm on my ibook at the moment). |
00:33:26 | JdGordon | 12172 sorry |
00:33:34 | DerPapst | ok :) |
00:35:23 | barrywardell | JdGordon: daily build from 31-1-07 works fine |
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00:37:05 | DerPapst | linuxstb: also cygwin complains about compiling ipodpatcher. it compiles without problem in linux. |
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00:37:25 | JdGordon | barrywardell: ok, thats what i was afraid off :p it must have been 12172 then, dunno how |
00:38:11 | barrywardell | JdGordon: build from 2-feb also works fine, so maybe not 12172 |
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00:40:35 | JdGordon | i dont know why the stausbar would stay wrong in the wps, but maybe the settings are not being saved after leaving the rec screen? |
00:40:40 | LinusN | hmmm, looks like the 5249 on this device doesn't like when PLLDIV==0 |
00:40:51 | JdGordon | but thats odd, because I should be able to reproduce it then but i cant |
00:41:42 | barrywardell | JdGordon: It might be a low battery after all. settings don't get saved if the battery is low, right? |
00:42:05 | preglow | LinusN: outletmp3? |
00:42:10 | LinusN | yes |
00:42:22 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Fix commited, thanks for reporting. |
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00:42:26 | * | jhMikeS wants everything done in samples for simplicity |
00:42:27 | JdGordon | barrywardell: yeah, i think so |
00:42:43 | DerPapst | linuxstb: thanks :) |
00:43:06 | LinusN | preglow: looks like i have a fix now :-) |
00:43:15 | barrywardell | JdGordon: in that case, I'll charge a bit and see if I still get the problem |
00:43:34 | barrywardell | sorry for the false alarm! |
00:44:06 | JdGordon | :) hopefully that is it |
00:45:38 | preglow | jhMikeS: me too |
00:45:42 | jhMikeS | LinusN: What "weird" device is it? |
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00:46:11 | preglow | outletmp3 sold a bunch of h140 players that were obviously from a pretty late batch from iriver |
00:46:14 | LinusN | it's the batch that came from outletmp3 that refused to run rockbox |
00:46:25 | preglow | contains a coldfire with a pll that doesn't want to behave |
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00:46:41 | jhMikeS | ah. I got my H120 from them but it behaves |
00:47:07 | * | preglow again has the feeling he should buy another h1x0 in case this one breaks :/ |
00:48:20 | * | LinusN listens to music on the silly device |
00:48:43 | * | XavierGr is itching to buy an F60 |
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00:48:47 | jhMikeS | whoo hoo! |
00:49:05 | jhMikeS | that's all it was, PLLDIV? |
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00:49:58 | preglow | weird... |
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00:51:19 | XavierGr | preglow: but yeah you are right, having a backup unit is of great importance with H100s |
00:51:44 | XavierGr | I am glad that I have 2 H100s and 1 H300 just in case :) |
00:54:01 | directhex | XavierGr, thumbs up for the gigabeat port, if you feel a burning desire to buy an f60 |
00:54:19 | preglow | yeah, a gigabeat would be fun... |
00:54:21 | directhex | though don't confuse a burning desire for an mp3 player with a burning desire for the toilet. they're caused by different things |
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00:54:40 | directhex | itching feelings usually happen with the latter, not the former |
00:54:42 | XavierGr | directhex: yeah I just lost a great deal on ebay cause the lousy seller refused to ship it in Greece |
00:55:16 | JdGordon | XavierGr: should of got it shipped to someone in the channel and have them ship t to you.... |
00:55:23 | XavierGr | directhex: sorry but here it can have both meaning :P |
00:55:38 | barrywardell | midgey: rockboy_clean4 doesn't compile for h10 |
00:55:45 | XavierGr | JdGordon: never thought of that, but ehm shouldn't be that a lot of hassle? |
00:55:59 | JdGordon | not if its a good deal |
00:56:17 | jhMikeS | what's the big danger with the h100s now, besides the charger dangers? |
00:56:17 | XavierGr | well an F60 just got sold for 99$ |
00:56:35 | directhex | jhMikeS, they're as ugly as sin? |
00:56:46 | XavierGr | directhex: I completely disagree |
00:57:02 | XavierGr | H100 are very beautiful devices |
00:57:09 | jhMikeS | directhex: mine's black and looks pretty good imho |
00:57:23 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Are you able to create a new ipodpatcher Mac OS X binary? |
00:57:23 | XavierGr | I actually prefer H100 looks from H300 |
00:57:52 | barrywardell | linuxstb: not right now. my mac is being repaired :( |
00:58:46 | linuxstb | OK :( |
00:59:09 | linuxstb | I guess it's about time I upgraded to the current xcode... |
00:59:17 | DerPapst | hmm... cygiwn still refuses to build ipodpatcher... ^^ |
00:59:56 | jhMikeS | preglow: what do h100's have a tendency to "just break"? |
00:59:58 | DerPapst | http://pastebin.ca/340737 |
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01:00:16 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: No, they are very durable |
01:00:33 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: it is just the fear of being left without them :P |
01:00:45 | * | DerPapst blames cygwin ;) |
01:00:47 | barrywardell | yup. my battery overheated so I had to send it back for repair :( |
01:01:10 | barrywardell | linuxstb: upgrading xcode is easy if you can handle the ~800MB download |
01:01:11 | jhMikeS | XavierGr: hehe. well, I just seem to pick up on so much worry but I think I understand that one. |
01:01:26 | Arathis | barrywardell: Is the H10 able to connect to the pc through rockbox or will it allways be "emergency connection"? |
01:01:46 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I guess I need to login to the ADC website though? |
01:01:47 | * | jhMikeS wishes he had replicator technology |
01:01:51 | barrywardell | Arathis: I'm working on a USB mode. making some progress, but it's slow |
01:02:06 | barrywardell | linuxstb: yes I think you need to sign up for it, but it's free |
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01:02:56 | linuxstb | DerPapst: I can give you a windows binary if you want, I'm about to make a release of 0.6 |
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01:03:39 | Soap | FWIW, I'll gladly play shipping proxy in the future. (located in the USA) |
01:03:49 | directhex | who's the main powers behind the gigabeat port? |
01:03:59 | Soap | satan |
01:04:05 | amiconn | DerPapst: You *can* build ipodpatcher on cygwin, but you need to patch the Makefile manually, and then use 'make ipodpatcher.exe' instead of just 'make' |
01:04:07 | preglow | LinusN: so, does the PLLDIV restriction really matter? |
01:04:13 | DerPapst | linuxstb: thanks... but i think i'll better not try to compile it with cygwin :) |
01:04:33 | DerPapst | amiconn: i made that already |
01:05:05 | LinusN | preglow: not really, we just have to recalcutate the PLL settings. I have already committed a fix. |
01:05:11 | BiptoN | barrywardell: i don't know what the recording screen on the h10 looks like |
01:05:13 | LinusN | recalculate even |
01:05:24 | BiptoN | barrywardell: looks the same on my x5 though i believe |
01:05:39 | barrywardell | BiptoN: i think i've figured out the problem - low battery! |
01:05:52 | linuxstb | LinusN or Bagder_: Could you update the contents of http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/ with the linux and win32 binaries in http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-0.6.zip ? |
01:05:58 | amiconn | DerPapst: You pastebin doesn't look like you did... |
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01:07:19 | DerPapst | amiconn: the makefile: http://pastebin.ca/340747 |
01:07:24 | linuxstb | It's possible my changes have broken compiling ipodpatcher under cygwin... |
01:07:47 | BiptoN | barrywardell: the noise? i get it with 100% battery life |
01:07:56 | BiptoN | maybe old battery? |
01:08:07 | barrywardell | BiptoN: no, a different recording screen problem |
01:08:33 | amiconn | DerPapst: That should work, although you did change more than necessary (and your version doesn't strip the binary) |
01:08:51 | amiconn | Ah, no, I see what you forgot |
01:09:08 | amiconn | You need to add -mno-cygwin to the gcc line |
01:10:01 | DerPapst | ok.. i'll try that. |
01:11:01 | DerPapst | hmmm.. it still complaines |
01:12:03 | amiconn | Works fine here, I just tried it |
01:12:23 | DerPapst | wired |
01:12:28 | barrywardell | JdGordon: I think it was the battery. I must have entered the recording screen before it was below the critical level, then exited it after |
01:13:39 | amiconn | DerPapst: What I did are 3 steps: (1) Open tools/ipodpatcher/Makefile, and remove the 'i586-mingw32msvc-' prefix from lines 7 and 8 |
01:13:58 | DerPapst | done |
01:14:05 | amiconn | (2) insert 'mno-cygwin between 'gcc' and '-Wall' |
01:14:33 | amiconn | (3) Change into apps/tools/ipodpatcher and type 'make ipodpatcher.exe' |
01:14:56 | amiconn | Sorry, -mno-cygwin |
01:15:07 | DerPapst | heh.. ok |
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01:15:34 | DerPapst | woked ;) thanks. the "make ipodpatcher.exe" was the problem |
01:15:39 | amiconn | A bit hackish, but it works |
01:15:56 | * | amiconn wonders whether it'd be possible to detect cygwin within the Makefile |
01:16:21 | linuxstb | A simple solution would be to just add a Makefile.cygwin |
01:16:43 | amiconn | Or a special target within the makefile |
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01:22:20 | linuxstb | amiconn, DerPapst: Does the OSTYPE environment variable exist in cygwin? |
01:22:47 | amiconn | Yes it does, just tried it |
01:22:54 | amiconn | $ echo $OSTYPE |
01:22:54 | amiconn | cygwin |
01:24:17 | * | jhMikeS wonders if the problem may have to do with interleaved vs. noninterleaved audio :\ |
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01:26:26 | preglow | i always wanted to get rid of interleaved audio, heh |
01:26:39 | preglow | but i met some resistance |
01:28:03 | JdGordon | barrywardell: ok :) |
01:28:31 | linuxstb | amiconn: How about something like http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/Makefile ? |
01:28:33 | jhMikeS | preglow: the noninterleaved flac codec's the one giving me pains! :) |
01:28:49 | Soul-Slaye1 | I find it interesting Apple are selling Valentines Day ipods with your choice of engraved message on it o.0... |
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01:29:03 | saratoga | how much IRAM does teh Sansa have? |
01:29:05 | amiconn | linuxstb: Haha, I've come up with a similar solution :) |
01:29:13 | amiconn | Just that I also redefine the default target |
01:29:23 | amiconn | I am lazy; want to just type 'make' ;) |
01:29:36 | linuxstb | Ah, I guess that makes sense as well. Feel free to commit your version. |
01:29:40 | dan_a | saratoga: IIRC 128kB, but we only use 96kB at the moment |
01:30:31 | preglow | jhMikeS: a couple of other codecs use that as well, most notable wavpack |
01:30:41 | preglow | jhMikeS: oh |
01:30:50 | preglow | jhMikeS: most codecs use non-interleaved audio |
01:31:14 | preglow | jhMikeS: btw, i believe the size parameter has a different meaning depending on whether audio is interleaved or not |
01:31:49 | preglow | i seem to remember some off by a factor of two error i had |
01:32:01 | saratoga | dan_a: thats what I though. Why only 96kb? |
01:32:41 | dan_a | saratoga: Because that's what the PP5020s have, and I've been too lazy to change it ;) |
01:32:44 | jhMikeS | preglow: it's per channel so playback.c does a *2 |
01:33:09 | LinusN | linuxstb: i have replaced bootloader/ipodpatcher/linux32x86/ipodpatcher |
01:33:17 | amiconn | linuxstb: Is there a reason why the linux build doesn't strip? |
01:33:27 | LinusN | and win32/ipodpatcher.exe |
01:34:12 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: No, you can add it. |
01:34:17 | linuxstb_ | LinusN: Thanks. |
01:34:25 | saratoga | dan_a: wheres it defined? |
01:34:42 | saratoga | I'm trying to get a feel for how this works since i'm running into it with the sansa emulator |
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01:35:12 | Soul-Slaye1 | Are iPod 4g's dual bootable? |
01:35:13 | jhMikeS | I guess wavpack and mpa should make a good test |
01:35:41 | DerPapst | all ipods are dual bootable |
01:35:52 | Soul-Slaye1 | Ok |
01:35:54 | Soul-Slaye1 | Ty |
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01:36:51 | linuxstb_ | Soul-Slaye1: In theory, yes. But the current version of the bootloader and/or ipodpatcher is causing problems with starting the original firmware on the 4g, so if you want to dual-boot, then follow the old install instructions and use the old bootloader. |
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01:37:25 | Soul-Slaye1 | Hmm, ok |
01:37:28 | Soul-Slaye1 | Thank you |
01:37:50 | saratoga | oh found it |
01:37:50 | dan_a | saratoga: In the various .lds files. Half the 96kB is allocated in firmware/app.lds, and half in apps/plugins/plugin.lds (if I understand correctly.) It is also referred to in playback.c |
01:37:56 | DerPapst | what is the difference between the new and the old loader? the 8byte header that ipodpatcher expects? |
01:37:57 | saratoga | yeah app.lds |
01:38:32 | saratoga | thanks, I'll play around with those settings on the emulator |
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01:39:28 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hmm, the variable seems to be invisible in 'make', although it exists in the shell... |
01:39:34 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Recent versions of the Rockbox bootloader have a different startup sequence which allows us to use the COP in Rockbox. |
01:39:57 | Mikachu | amiconn: did you export it? |
01:40:14 | amiconn | It's a predefined variable... |
01:40:15 | preglow | man, i've got a ferocious latency in the sim now |
01:40:18 | preglow | several seconds |
01:40:31 | LinusN | nite all |
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01:40:42 | preglow | amiconn: btw, how does the sim work on your amd64 box now? mine seems to crash when trying to play two tracks with the same codec after each other |
01:40:50 | preglow | amiconn: mp3 still doesn't work |
01:41:04 | amiconn | I know that mp3 doesn't work, since nobody fixed it |
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01:41:28 | amiconn | I usually don't play music in the sim, so I don't know about the same-codec problem |
01:41:50 | amiconn | Heck, I don't even use my swcodec targets often |
01:42:00 | preglow | as you so often like to point out ;) |
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01:47:06 | amiconn | linuxstb: Here's my solution for cygwin detection: |
01:47:09 | amiconn | ifeq ($(findstring CYGWIN,$(shell uname)),CYGWIN) |
01:47:20 | amiconn | It works... |
01:47:51 | linuxstb | I get the same problem with the OSTYPE variable not being visible inside the Makefile in Linux... |
01:49:26 | linuxstb | Ah, it seems OSTYPE is a built-in shell variable, which is why it isn't exported... |
01:50:52 | linuxstb | And others have suggested a solution similar to you - "shell uname" |
01:51:12 | Mikachu | uname gives Linux, but OSTYPE is linux-gnu, here |
01:51:13 | amiconn | committed. |
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01:51:48 | Mikachu | $(shell echo $OSTYPE) is one fork less if you care :) |
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01:52:01 | amiconn | This is just a combination of what is used in the plugin makefiles and configure |
01:52:03 | Mikachu | (probably needs double dollar signs) |
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01:52:36 | linuxstb | There's no need for speed in the ipodpatcher makefile... |
01:52:50 | amiconn | The plugin makefiles check the UNAME variable exported from the toplevel makefile, and UNAME is set from uname in configure |
01:55:22 | amiconn | Hmpf. Now I have a conflict in system-iriver.c :/ |
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02:11:12 | amiconn | linuxstb: I now have a new ipodpatcher binary for linux-amd64 |
02:11:53 | preglow | woot, warnings |
02:12:09 | preglow | of course |
02:12:30 | preglow | i wonder if that 64 bit divide is even really necessary there |
02:17:15 | linuxstb | amiconn: Thanks. Can you try and catch Bagder's attention in the morning? |
02:17:37 | linuxstb | Anyone around that knows how to use xcode to build a universal binary? |
02:18:02 | amiconn | linuxstb: You could update the copyright notice. It still says 2006 |
02:18:30 | linuxstb | Yes, I noticed that... I suppose I should. |
02:20:38 | linuxstb | amiconn: Committed. |
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02:22:05 | preglow | ah, now that's something i don't think of too often myself |
02:22:08 | webguest32 | hello, hows everyone workin on that 2nd gen nano firmware crackin! :) |
02:22:16 | preglow | webguest32: there are any? |
02:22:31 | webguest32 | there are some developers workin on it |
02:22:40 | preglow | really, now |
02:22:45 | preglow | they must be hiding well |
02:22:47 | webguest32 | any one cracked the firmware yet? |
02:22:53 | preglow | well, you tell me |
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02:22:58 | preglow | you seem to know more |
02:23:00 | Soul-Slaye1 | L |
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02:27:57 | pixelma | XavierGr: around? |
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02:29:12 | preglow | there are still some broken gccs around, i see |
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02:45:36 | ze | j #linux-mips |
02:45:39 | ze | woops |
02:46:08 | DerPapst | ;) |
02:47:03 | DerPapst | better would be somethoing like: |
02:47:05 | DerPapst | msg nickserv identify blabla123 |
02:47:11 | ze | :p |
02:48:27 | ze | and then it was the wrong channel too :p |
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04:06:12 | argonel | why would a register on the DAC control system power? |
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04:32:43 | blargg | maybe the DAC system had a free I/O pin that they could connect to power |
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04:39:44 | argonel | sneakums: i'll buy that :p |
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05:29:30 | conanswimfast | how do you change the backdrop without changing the theme |
05:29:34 | conanswimfast | is that possible |
05:36:27 | JdGordon | yes |
05:36:47 | JdGordon | hold down select over any .bmp in the .rockbox folder and choose set as backdrop |
05:36:53 | JdGordon | or use the menu to clear backdrop |
05:38:04 | conanswimfast | awesome thanks |
05:38:11 | conanswimfast | they should add that to the faq |
05:38:32 | JdGordon | it probably is |
05:38:38 | JdGordon | .... in the manualk |
05:38:45 | conanswimfast | i looked thouroughly |
05:38:51 | conanswimfast | or so i thought |
05:38:58 | conanswimfast | maybe not good enough |
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05:46:59 | conanswimfast | Does anyone know why the video sync is so hard to do |
05:47:09 | conanswimfast | in mpegplayer |
05:47:45 | conanswimfast | ive been messing with the code and it seems like it wouldnt be too hard to sync the av with the system clock |
05:47:57 | conanswimfast | especially if the code is allready there for the audio |
05:48:13 | JdGordon | linuxstb is the mpegplayer man... |
05:48:22 | JdGordon | he's asleep now i would assume |
05:48:56 | conanswimfast | okay, well it just seems like it wouldnt be that hard if the audio is already synced |
05:49:03 | conanswimfast | to just implement the same code |
05:53:16 | JdGordon | so give it a try and let us know how it goes....? |
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05:56:58 | conanswimfast | well i tried to impliment the volume up and down |
05:57:04 | conanswimfast | and i got that, so |
05:57:11 | conanswimfast | thats a small simple step |
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06:38:47 | SkramX | uhmmm... weird. |
06:39:00 | SkramX | rockbox bootloader takes me to apple's interface |
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07:03:41 | daurnimator | yeah |
07:03:54 | daurnimator | it picks at random between rockbox and the real firmware |
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07:06:23 | decayedcell | it shouldn't do that though... |
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07:10:51 | JdGordon | damn uni, they wont let me renew a book ive had out since december :p |
07:12:08 | daurnimator | ha |
07:12:11 | daurnimator | JdGordon: yo |
07:13:22 | JdGordon | hey\ |
07:14:28 | daurnimator | sup |
07:16:32 | JdGordon | not much |
07:16:38 | JdGordon | fark it was hot today |
07:16:46 | JdGordon | hows school going? :D |
07:16:52 | daurnimator | boring as fuck |
07:16:54 | JdGordon | your yr12 now ye? |
07:16:55 | daurnimator | i know it al |
07:16:57 | daurnimator | ye |
07:17:02 | JdGordon | good luck |
07:18:32 | daurnimator | heh |
07:20:17 | daurnimator | hows your iriver? |
07:20:56 | JdGordon | going good... i want to finsh this menu patch so we can swap players |
07:21:21 | * | JdGordon is getting food, brb |
07:22:02 | w1ll14m | morning all |
07:22:48 | daurnimator | heh |
07:23:25 | w1ll14m | i think i'm dying or something like that |
07:23:35 | daurnimator | you'tr already dead! |
07:23:37 | w1ll14m | such a great pain... |
07:23:49 | w1ll14m | it's my right thumb.... |
07:25:17 | daurnimator | stop typing then? |
07:25:40 | w1ll14m | hehe i'm allready typing only with my left hand ;) |
07:26:28 | w1ll14m | gotta go to the doctor again today.... it feels like it's exploding.... |
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07:59:42 | daurnimator | JdGordon: what meny thing you working on? |
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08:00:51 | juxtap | hey, wasn't the commercial release date supposed to be last year sometime? |
08:00:56 | juxtap | (curious) |
08:01:38 | scorche | ...of what? |
08:01:47 | juxtap | ? |
08:01:50 | juxtap | rockbox. |
08:02:25 | scorche | not sure what you mean by *commercial* release date |
08:03:08 | JdGordon | not sure what you mean by "the" :D |
08:03:15 | JdGordon | daurnimator: just the settings/menu stuff atm |
08:03:35 | daurnimator | well |
08:03:39 | daurnimator | what will the patch DO? |
08:03:57 | scorche | besides mess things up? =P |
08:04:02 | JdGordon | simplify and unify the way menus are coded |
08:04:03 | juxtap | stable release to the "public" −− shit i don't know, it's what i read on the website long ago... |
08:04:06 | JdGordon | and that ^ :D |
08:05:06 | scorche | juxtap: long ago, we had a date, but we have since reduced the importance of releases and refuse to give out dates on anything ;) |
08:05:39 | juxtap | okay |
08:05:41 | juxtap | swell then |
08:05:54 | juxtap | (not.curious.anymore) |
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09:01:30 | linuxstb_ | Bagder_: Can you update the version of ipodpatcher on download.rockbox.org with http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-0.6.zip ? |
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09:01:46 | linuxstb_ | Plus a new set of ipod bootloaders - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/bootloaders.zip |
09:03:01 | webguest80 | does anyone know if Rockbox will work with my Archos AV400? |
09:03:09 | linuxstb_ | No it won't. |
09:03:23 | webguest80 | bummer...thanks |
09:03:42 | linuxstb_ | Do you know www.archopen.org ? |
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09:11:35 | LinusN | linuxstb: did i do anything wrong when i uploaded it last night? |
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09:13:40 | linuxstb_ | LinusN: Yes, you didn't predict that I would make a change to it... :) Do you mind updating them again? |
09:13:49 | LinusN | sure |
09:14:26 | linuxstb_ | And the bootloaders, which now have your nice human-readablle error messages. |
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09:16:28 | LinusN | linuxstb_: done |
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09:18:48 | linuxstb_ | LinusN: Thanks. |
09:18:56 | decayedcell | linuxstb_ does it still say <ERR><Xnil> if it doesn't know what partitions there are when you do ipodpatcher −−scan ? |
09:18:56 | LinusN | you're welcome |
09:19:39 | linuxstb_ | decayedcell: I never knew it ever did... So it probably still does. |
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09:22:58 | linuxstb_ | LinusN: You left the ipodpatcher-0.6.zip file in the download dir... |
09:23:08 | LinusN | yes i did |
09:23:23 | linuxstb_ | The other zip files contain the source (from before it was in CVS). |
09:23:39 | LinusN | aah |
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10:50:44 | * | linuxstb offers everyone more coffee |
10:50:49 | Bagder | thanks |
10:52:15 | GodEater | do you supply it intravenously ? |
10:52:27 | linuxstb | Happy to oblige. |
10:53:36 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: can I have it on rstp encapsulation please?.. thanks |
10:53:53 | pixelma | yummy... delicious virtual coffee :) |
10:54:20 | * | Genre9mp3 shakes it to make frappe out of it |
10:54:26 | linuxstb | What do you mean "virtual" ? It tastes real to me... |
10:55:49 | GodEater | <starbucks speak>venti skinny wet extra shot latte vanilla syrup to take away please</starbucks speak> |
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10:57:16 | * | GodEater also finds time to curse the gentoo E17 maintainers for moving all the ebuilds off into an overlay |
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11:01:00 | GodEater | offtopic, but with a point to it : has anyone successfully used corkscrew to tunnel ssh over https through a microsoft ISA server ? |
11:01:11 | GodEater | (I want to get at the svn repository properly from work) |
11:01:53 | LinusN | i haven't used corkscrew for ages |
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11:01:59 | Bagder | ISA as in NTLM, is it? |
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11:02:21 | Bagder | as plain CONNECT is done by putty etc built-in these days |
11:02:34 | GodEater | our ISA isn't authenticating |
11:02:39 | GodEater | so NTLM isn't a factor |
11:02:49 | Bagder | then try putty |
11:02:51 | w1ll14m | GodEater: try putty to ssh tunnel |
11:02:58 | w1ll14m | Badger: lol :) |
11:03:26 | GodEater | the only thing is - our ISA won't accept CONNECTs going to non HTTPS ports |
11:03:42 | GodEater | as far as I can tell |
11:03:56 | Bagder | right, you need a ssh server on port 443 on the outside |
11:03:59 | w1ll14m | GodEater: Let sshd run at port 443 (ISA thinks its https) |
11:04:05 | GodEater | I thought I'd set that up at home |
11:04:10 | w1ll14m | badger: again to late ;) |
11:04:11 | Bagder | now, is there an echo in here? ;-) |
11:04:14 | GodEater | but I'm getting connection closed by remote host |
11:04:24 | w1ll14m | badber: echo :) |
11:04:25 | Bagder | w1ll14m: again YOU were too late on my side |
11:04:36 | Bagder | :-) |
11:04:38 | GodEater | and I can't work out if that's from the ISA server, or from my router at home |
11:04:39 | w1ll14m | Badger: lol |
11:05:06 | w1ll14m | GodEater: with this trick i can also get around the proxy we used at work |
11:05:15 | w1ll14m | also behind isa |
11:05:39 | GodEater | heh - also, putty isn't availble for linux last time I looked ;) |
11:05:41 | w1ll14m | then i use putty to tunnel my private proxy :) |
11:05:58 | w1ll14m | linux you van use ssh and stuff... let me search :) |
11:06:14 | GodEater | yeah - that's why I mentioned corkscrew |
11:06:22 | Bagder | corkscrew should work |
11:06:55 | GodEater | Bagder: do me a favour? try to connect to my build server as rbclient but on port 443 ? |
11:07:00 | GodEater | and let me know if it works |
11:07:09 | GodEater | if it doesn't I know I buggered up the router config |
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11:07:25 | GodEater | it if does I'm doing something wrong here |
11:07:31 | w1ll14m | ssh -X -f username@remotehost -N -L [localport]:remotehost:[remote port] |
11:07:32 | GodEater | or the ISA guys are cleverer than me |
11:07:57 | w1ll14m | that should be availible at every linux distro |
11:08:10 | w1ll14m | it binds just like putty does |
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11:08:26 | GodEater | w1ll14m: where's the proxy in there ? |
11:08:45 | w1ll14m | proxy is defined in ~/.ssh/conf |
11:08:51 | linuxstb | decayedcell: Are you around? |
11:08:58 | decayedcell | linuxstb *nods* |
11:09:52 | w1ll14m | ~/.ssh/config: |
11:09:53 | w1ll14m | Host remote.outside.net |
11:09:53 | w1ll14m | ProxyCommand connect -S socks.local.net %h %p |
11:09:59 | linuxstb | decayedcell: I noticed your bootloader tests with the COP patch - how did you install the bootloaders? Did you use the new ipodpatcher or the old ipod_fw method? |
11:10:10 | decayedcell | latest 0.6 |
11:10:16 | decayedcell | for all of them |
11:10:16 | w1ll14m | thath should create your access to proxy |
11:10:23 | w1ll14m | -h:P |
11:10:32 | linuxstb | decayedcell: Ah, so ipodpatcher successfully installs loader2? |
11:10:37 | Bagder | GodEater: it doesn't connect |
11:10:42 | decayedcell | linuxstb sure does :D |
11:10:42 | linuxstb | (on the 4g greyscale and 2nd gen mini) |
11:10:46 | w1ll14m | In your case leave -S away |
11:10:50 | GodEater | broken router config then - I'll have to pop home at lunchtime |
11:10:55 | GodEater | thank you for trying |
11:11:02 | w1ll14m | hehe |
11:11:07 | decayedcell | loader2 boots into the original firmware on both 4G and 2G Mini |
11:11:37 | linuxstb | decayedcell: That's interesting, because when dan_a tried both current bootloader and the old bootloader with ipodpatcher on his 4g, both failed to load the original firmware. |
11:12:24 | linuxstb | Could you try this bootloader with ipodpatcher (you need the -ab option)? http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloader-4g.bin |
11:12:49 | decayedcell | both (Rockbox) bootloaders fail on the 4G - this is from a previous attempt |
11:12:55 | w1ll14m | GoedEater, another nice trick for proxy is |
11:12:58 | w1ll14m | export HTTP_PROXY="ip:port" |
11:13:07 | w1ll14m | ssh -H -X -f username@remotehost -N -L [localport]:remotehost:[remote port] |
11:13:56 | decayedcell | linuxstb I did some testing with barrywardell earlier, and it appears that his unification is not the culprit, so you can rule that out |
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11:14:51 | linuxstb | I'm more interested in seeing if ipodpatcher is at fault - i.e. are there bootloaders which work with the old ipod_fw install method, but don't work with ipodpatcher 0.6? |
11:15:06 | GodEater | w1ll14m: that won't work - I've buggered up my router config at home |
11:15:30 | linuxstb | There seems to be issues with both ipodpatcher and the COP-enabled Rockbox bootloader, so I'm trying to isolate the ipodpatcher problems. |
11:15:47 | linuxstb | (on the 4g/mini/mini2g only) |
11:16:07 | decayedcell | linuxstb I'm not sure, but I could probably test on the 4G tomorrow (I can get my hands on my friend's) |
11:16:22 | decayedcell | did dan_a have any success with ipod_fw and the new bootloader? |
11:16:29 | linuxstb | No, I don't think so. |
11:16:48 | * | GodEater finds there's a SOCKS proxy on the network too |
11:17:16 | decayedcell | hmm well I have a 2G Mini plugged into my computer at the moment, give me a sec and I'll try the old ipod_fw method |
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11:18:32 | LinusN | just curious here, does the last usb/charger detection patch stay on rockbox when a charger is attached? |
11:18:40 | LinusN | s/on/in/ |
11:21:46 | barrywardell | yes, rockbox acts as if nothing happened. it should probably make charger_inserted() report true, but doesn't yet |
11:22:10 | LinusN | if so, do we know for a fact that the charging is entirely done in hardware? |
11:25:50 | decayedcell | linuxstb do you want the new or old bootloader tested with the old patcher |
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11:27:40 | w1ll14m | GodEater: maybe you can use it when router is fixxed again :) |
11:28:23 | barrywardell | LinusN: i think people were reporting the battery level going up with it |
11:28:49 | LinusN | barrywardell: oh, i'm sure it is, the question is if it stops in time |
11:29:49 | decayedcell | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher.exe - uh oh its Le broken |
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11:32:55 | LinusN | decayedcell: "Le broken"? |
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11:33:13 | decayedcell | the link is broken... I can't download the old ipodpatcher to test |
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11:34:41 | LinusN | i thought that file was not to be used |
11:35:19 | LinusN | so i deleted it |
11:35:22 | LinusN | sorry |
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11:36:51 | decayedcell | hmm linuxstb - options? |
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11:45:09 | amiconn | LinusN: I've built the current ipodpatcher for linux-amd64. Where should I send it in order to put it on download.rockbox.org? |
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11:55:21 | Genre9mp3 | How can a new plugin (only a new .c file) return error on current svn while it doesn't used to return error before? |
11:56:16 | markun | Genre9mp3: can you be more specific? |
11:56:24 | GodEater | yeah, like what's the error ? |
11:56:48 | Genre9mp3 | too many arguments to function |
11:57:09 | Genre9mp3 | the error is while compiling |
11:57:27 | markun | well, probably someone (amiconn) has changed the parameters of some functions |
11:57:39 | markun | so now you are getting an error |
11:58:59 | Genre9mp3 | hmm.. ok... so I have to adapt the plugin to the new parameters then |
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11:59:29 | GodEater | correct |
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12:01:25 | Genre9mp3 | "Removed 'mode' parameter from creat()" that's probably the change that affected it |
12:01:27 | preglow | eh, why would replaygain be broken by this? |
12:01:34 | Genre9mp3 | thanks markun |
12:02:42 | markun | preglow: I read a forum post about it, did you verify? |
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12:03:03 | preglow | no, i just got online now |
12:03:53 | preglow | now i just need some replaygain files |
12:04:15 | markun | I haven't updated yet |
12:04:31 | markun | preglow: install vorbisgain |
12:05:13 | preglow | i found some musepack files |
12:05:16 | markun | ok |
12:05:18 | preglow | and it seems like replaygain is working here |
12:05:32 | napoleon | when trying to play mpg files on my sadisk e200 using rockbox , it says Buffering and gets stuck...am i doing something wrong or does the program doesnt support mpg yet? |
12:05:40 | markun | preglow: maybe in combination with the software eq? |
12:06:10 | preglow | i am using the eq |
12:07:11 | preglow | replaygain works just fine for me |
12:07:23 | markun | preglow: btw any idea why there is a "Work around bug in get_replaygain_int" in dsp.c? |
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12:07:31 | preglow | and good, since there's absolutely no reason it shouldn'Ã |
12:07:34 | markun | instead of for example a fix in get_replaygain_int |
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12:07:57 | preglow | markun: dunno, lately i even think i've seen a fix for it there |
12:08:46 | preglow | right, he's in ipod |
12:08:51 | preglow | i better test it on ipod too, then |
12:09:16 | preglow | at least the chance is somewhat bigger of it being broken there |
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12:10:28 | preglow | bad time too, i've got too go soon |
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12:13:59 | LinusN | amiconn: send it to me, or give me an url |
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12:15:46 | GodEater | napoleon: unless I've missed something recently, the sansa doesn't support playing *anything* yet |
12:16:04 | preglow | linuxstb: does the 5g emit nasty loud pops when turning on too? |
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12:16:57 | napoleon | bummer |
12:18:11 | preglow | markun: works on my nano too |
12:18:50 | markun | preglow: ok, I'll update and try it myself |
12:19:41 | markun | only have the Gigabeat here |
12:19:59 | preglow | cool |
12:20:07 | preglow | well, i've tested both h120 and nano, and both places replaygain work |
12:20:19 | napoleon | where can i get info about recent updates? |
12:20:25 | preglow | which is nice, because i didn't even touch the replaygain code, and most of the macros i moved are unmodified |
12:20:28 | markun | napoleon: frontpage |
12:20:31 | preglow | the ones replgaygain use are all unmodified |
12:21:41 | markun | napoleon: but there you will find all the svn commits, don't know if you are interested in that. |
12:21:54 | markun | napoleon: for only the big changes you can check: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges |
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12:22:27 | napoleon | oki thanx guys |
12:23:08 | markun | Bagder: is there a link somewhere to the MajorChanges wiki page? |
12:23:22 | GodEater | I imagine that as soon as dan_a gets sound working on the sansa there will be a prominent notice about it on the front page |
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12:24:23 | Bagder | markun: from the front page |
12:24:32 | GodEater | the obligatory "Gentlemen, we have sound." no doubt :) |
12:25:01 | markun | Bagder: oops, missed that :) |
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12:26:52 | linuxstb | decayedcell_: The ipodpatcher-0.4b.zip file should contain the ipodpatcher.exe that LinusN deleted. |
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12:28:38 | linuxstb | LinusN: Could you restore the ipodpatcher.exe from that zip file? The new ipodpatcher still has problems with some ipods (4g greyscale and both minis) so we advise people to use the old install method with the old ipodpatcher, so it's linked from a few places. |
12:28:59 | linuxstb | (or Bagder...) |
12:29:11 | LinusN | linuxstb: done |
12:29:26 | linuxstb | Thanks., |
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12:30:56 | JdGordon | hey all |
12:31:14 | JdGordon | anyone had a chance to look at my menu patch on the ml? |
12:31:43 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, I've just tested and get a click when the 5g turns on (I normally put my headphones on after turning on, so don't notice). |
12:32:02 | LinusN | JdGordon: no, not yet |
12:32:32 | JdGordon | ok |
12:32:42 | JdGordon | back in 3 min.. gotta reboot |
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12:33:09 | preglow | linuxstb: i get several, closely spaced |
12:33:30 | linuxstb | I just get one "clean" pop. |
12:33:46 | linuxstb | The 5g has a different DAC to the Nano though. |
12:33:58 | linuxstb | The Nano is the same as the 4G and Color/Photo IIRC. |
12:34:17 | linuxstb | Let me listen to my Photo. |
12:35:42 | preglow | one pop, followed up by smaller pops closely spaced |
12:35:58 | preglow | right, right, i thought the 5g and nano shared a dac |
12:36:04 | preglow | a/the |
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12:38:53 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200tool.html |
12:39:03 | Bagder | to enable people to mess around ever worse ;-) |
12:39:08 | Bagder | even even |
12:39:12 | markun | preglow: replaygain works fine here too |
12:40:37 | JdGordon | Bagder: there is a typo in that page... it says a link to ic2.bin (it actually links to i2c.bin tho) |
12:41:09 | Bagder | thanks |
12:41:35 | amiconn | linuxstb: ping... |
12:41:49 | LinusN | amiconn: firewall from hell |
12:42:34 | preglow | LinusN: most people just go for norton or windows firewall, you know |
12:42:45 | LinusN | yes? |
12:42:45 | * | decayedcell_ reboots into windows to try old ipodpatcher |
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12:42:56 | preglow | but you had to pick the firewall from hell |
12:43:00 | LinusN | preglow: aren't those from hell? |
12:43:03 | preglow | LinusN: good point |
12:43:28 | preglow | markun: goodie, i'll just leave for now and assume it's all in order, then |
12:43:47 | markun | ok, have fun |
12:44:22 | preglow | markun: seems to original poster suddenly found a lot more wrong with his build too... |
12:44:31 | preglow | to/the, bleh |
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12:46:33 | * | w1ll14m takes another antibiotics pill that means no beer for some days :( |
12:47:33 | * | JdGordon sends some sympathy in w1ll14m's direction |
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12:48:48 | decayedcell | linuxstb, the instructions point to a .bin loader. I have a compiled .ipod loader. Will that matter |
12:48:49 | w1ll14m | hehehe thanx jdGordon |
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12:51:08 | * | decayedcell takes it as a no and hopes for the best |
12:52:04 | linuxstb | decayedcell: Look in the bootloader subdirectory in your build dir. |
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12:55:00 | decayedcell | well it just hangs at the rockbox logo |
12:55:09 | decayedcell | no wait it works |
12:55:23 | decayedcell | just takes longer than the new bootloader + patcher |
12:55:42 | decayedcell | cop is working correctly |
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12:56:07 | decayedcell | resets whilst loading original firmware |
12:56:28 | decayedcell | it must be the bootloader then |
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13:03:36 | linuxstb | amiconn: pong... |
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13:16:43 | amiconn | linuxstb: Sorry, I meant to ping LinusN. Too many lin<TAB> nick error... |
13:16:51 | LinusN | hehe |
13:19:04 | daurnimator | JdGordon: ping |
13:19:06 | linuxstb | np |
13:19:57 | amiconn | LinusN: Charging of LiIon/LiPoly batteries must be done in hardware. Everything else would be too dangerous |
13:21:30 | amiconn | LinusN: This PLLDIV thing is strange... |
13:21:38 | LinusN | amiconn: very strange |
13:22:43 | LinusN | amiconn: the pcf50606 still needs to be set up for the charging mode etc, doesn't it? |
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13:24:35 | JdGordon | sup daurnimator ? |
13:25:40 | JdGordon | http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3yft_ball-trap-extreme <- topgear guy having fun with guns and cars :) |
13:25:46 | daurnimator | JdGordon: just wondering when you wanna do this swappy thing.. |
13:26:18 | Llorean | JdGordon: You do know that PMs exist, right? |
13:26:54 | JdGordon | Llorean: that was for everyones entertainment... |
13:29:37 | GodEater | has anyone else used the voicebox script to generate directory/filename voice clips recently ? |
13:29:48 | Llorean | Not in a long, long time. |
13:30:07 | GodEater | I'm not sure it's working properly - it seems to return in nothing flat when I use it |
13:31:39 | GodEater | yes - it's not generated anything in directories I've added since the last time I used it |
13:31:58 | GodEater | I assume it's not an offically supported bit of software? |
13:36:50 | Llorean | I think it's semi-official. Not really supported, but it's what we recommend people use. I'm not sure. |
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13:47:33 | GodEater | hmm - I think it's broken because it doesn't appear to init a voice anymore |
13:48:14 | GodEater | which would explain a lot - it was last modified in Nov. |
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13:54:54 | GodEater | confirmed - the new version of voicebox (at the bottom of VoiceHowto in the wiki) is broken - but the old one (linked in the middle of the page) works just fine. |
13:55:17 | Llorean | GodEater: That's... weird. What's the new one supposed to have fixed? |
13:55:56 | GodEater | no idea |
13:56:06 | GodEater | but it's actually removed all the SAPI calls from the code |
13:56:10 | GodEater | so it doesn't nothing at all |
13:56:26 | Llorean | So, it looks like its _purpose_ is to not work? |
13:56:43 | GodEater | possibly ;) |
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13:57:23 | GodEater | also - the tip in the wiki page about changing the language id doesn't appear to work. |
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13:57:45 | GodEater | I tried going for "British English", and Voicebox then told me I had no speech installed |
13:57:55 | GodEater | so I had to go back to American English |
13:59:21 | Llorean | GodEater: You have to have Voices specifically for those languages installed. |
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13:59:35 | GodEater | That would be why then =/ |
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14:02:28 | pondlife | LinusN: Hi, I saw your comment correction to the H300 USB charging. I take it this means the debug menu code is wrong in reading GPOOD0 from 0x37... |
14:02:48 | pondlife | So should GPOOD0-3 be 0x39-0x3c? |
14:03:09 | LinusN | exactly |
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14:03:31 | pondlife | I'll correct that then - or maybe we shouldn't be attempting to read them at all? |
14:03:58 | LinusN | i don't see the need to |
14:04:36 | pondlife | It was included in the original patch, I'll remove it now. |
14:05:44 | LinusN | do so |
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14:21:45 | Lynx_ | Is USB charging (for H300) in SVN? |
14:22:32 | XavierGr | I think so... |
14:23:05 | LinusN | yes it is |
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14:42:06 | webguest48 | Hi there... |
14:42:19 | TrueJournals | hey |
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14:42:39 | webguest48 | I would like to upload a rockbox-theme. who can help? |
14:42:55 | TrueJournals | Not I... :-\ |
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14:43:47 | LinusN | webguest48: have you registered in the wiki? |
14:44:43 | webguest48 | yes and no. I tried to register, but the activation-code was sent to a wrong email-adress. |
14:45:13 | webguest48 | cos there was added NO:SPAM to my adress. |
14:45:27 | webguest48 | somehow. |
14:45:44 | LinusN | thiashias? |
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14:46:00 | webguest48 | jep. |
14:46:03 | LinusN | i emailed you |
14:47:13 | webguest48 | you are right, just checked... sorry. |
14:47:25 | LinusN | np |
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14:52:03 | webguest48 | I got 2 emails. I klicked on the activation link in the first email and got |
14:52:19 | webguest48 | The activation code ThiasHias.xxxxxxxxxx is invalid. (xxxxxxxxxx=numbers) |
14:52:49 | webguest48 | But it seems, I am able to login to the wiki. |
14:53:04 | LinusN | i clicked on the activation link for you |
14:53:12 | webguest48 | ah, ok. |
14:53:25 | LinusN | because you claimed that you didn't receive the email |
14:54:50 | webguest48 | Thanks. Perhaps I was not patient enough and teh page said, it sent the email to matze_spam@yahooNO.SPAM.de... anyway. I'll read the further instructions, then. |
14:55:43 | LinusN | i have also granted you write access |
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15:02:22 | pixelma | though I bet the real name would be Mathias(..) then... |
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15:27:45 | GodEater | http://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=2007-02-05 <−− wonder if Llorean will identify with this... |
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15:28:22 | GodEater | although for "mmo" read "forums" |
15:32:29 | Mikachu | isn't mmo just a prefix?</picky> |
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15:38:37 | Llorean | So, whatever happened to trying to get a 'proper' dual boot on X5? |
15:38:51 | Bagder | nothing afaik |
15:38:53 | Llorean | Is it one of those cases where "someone came up with a hack, and so the people who'd actually use a dual boot no longer care about investigating further?" |
15:39:00 | Bagder | yeps |
15:39:05 | * | Llorean sighs. |
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15:39:57 | Bagder | but the hack has proved to work for everyone so it isn't such a terrible one |
15:40:31 | Llorean | But it depends on pre-existing contents of the flash, right? |
15:40:35 | Bagder | yes |
15:43:00 | Llorean | Is there some reason that we can't come up with equivalent functions, or is it just a case of nobody sitting down to do it? |
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15:46:56 | Bagder | he did make his own by it didn't work |
15:48:32 | markun | s/by/but/ |
15:49:00 | Llorean | Odd |
15:49:24 | Llorean | Ah well, I have no X5, but I was curious as it's pretty much the only target we have without official Dual Boot at the moment. |
15:49:51 | Bagder | well, I don't think he did work a lot on his own version when he got his hack to work |
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15:51:06 | Bagder | I remember him being hard to convince that the hack was a hack |
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15:54:45 | Llorean | Well, even if it's not a "hack," the front page of the site says 'and uses no fragments of any original firmwares' so it is kinda disqualified because of that. |
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15:58:33 | GodEater | question: does RB do clean cross fades between codecs? I don't know the answer as all my music is in MP3 |
15:58:52 | pixelma | Llorean: does the Gigabeat have dual boot then? ;) |
15:58:58 | Llorean | pixelma: Kinda. |
15:59:08 | Llorean | pixelma: You can boot the original firmware, but then you have to reinstall the Rockbox bootloader. |
15:59:13 | Bagder | GodEater: yes it does |
15:59:13 | Llorean | :-P |
15:59:27 | Llorean | GodEater: Crossfading happens with decoded PCM data, I believe. |
15:59:29 | pixelma | ok :) |
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16:00:11 | GodEater | thank you |
16:00:14 | Llorean | pixelma: It's also a hack, but since it doesn't allow switching between firmwares on the fly, nobody's pretending like it's a real solution. :) |
16:00:31 | * | GodEater has hooked an old friend who used to work for empeg who's interested in getting a port done for his car's head unit |
16:01:27 | GodEater | StrongARM 110 if anyone is curious |
16:04:04 | preglow | shouldn't be a problem to decode audio, at least |
16:04:22 | GodEater | he also knows someone who's worked for both ARM and Broadcom |
16:05:17 | dewdude | yeah, i don't think this is the place to come in and say "oooooh, loookie who i got" |
16:05:39 | TrueJournals | Anyone have any idea why recording breaks with the KoCOP patch? |
16:06:02 | dewdude | no. how is it broken? |
16:06:02 | desowin | is it just me or cop8 drains battery really fast ? |
16:06:10 | dewdude | i've never actually tried it |
16:06:22 | Llorean | desowin: Have you benchmarked a build without it directly against a build with it? |
16:06:24 | TrueJournals | dewdude: When you try to go to the recording screen, it'll just freeze |
16:06:40 | dewdude | hrmmm |
16:06:41 | desowin | without - 8 hours |
16:06:51 | dewdude | i could try...but i'lltake your word |
16:06:58 | desowin | with it, I played one album and it took down battery from 100 to 56% |
16:06:58 | Llorean | desowin: I said "benchmarked". As in an actual test, same SVN version and everything. |
16:07:19 | Llorean | Not based on a % meter that's known to not be entirely accurate. |
16:07:39 | Mikachu | desowin: did you have the backlight on? |
16:07:53 | desowin | no |
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16:08:09 | desowin | I'll do a benchmark right now |
16:08:12 | Mikachu | sometimes rb changes the setting to always on behind my back and the battery drains in an hour |
16:08:37 | dewdude | yeah, you're right, recording does lock up |
16:08:44 | desowin | btw. why backlight is default on ? |
16:08:52 | Llorean | desowin: KoC6 gave me a 5% _increase_ in battery life. |
16:09:08 | dowraphi467 | hi, i´m not someone who can speak english quiete well, do you know, if it´s possible to play movies on my ipod nano 2.generation? |
16:09:11 | Llorean | So, make sure to test them under exactly identical conditions, if you can. |
16:09:19 | Llorean | dowraphi467: No. |
16:09:19 | desowin | sure |
16:09:36 | dowraphi467 | i´m sad :D |
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16:09:56 | dewdude | WTF. |
16:09:57 | desowin | is utf-8 used here in channel ? |
16:10:00 | Mikachu | i think that one goes in my quotes file |
16:10:11 | * | dewdude forgot to add the usb button patch |
16:10:12 | dewdude | doh. |
16:10:22 | preglow | desowin: ascii |
16:10:24 | Bagder | desowin: it doesn't matter, we use english here |
16:10:42 | Mikachu | english has some words with accents |
16:10:44 | dewdude | yeah, irc doesn't make use of utf-8 |
16:10:48 | preglow | but of course, you should use utf-8 :> |
16:11:09 | Bagder | irc is charset agnostic |
16:11:16 | Bagder | afair |
16:11:40 | Llorean | Bagder: Your article on the history of IRC didn't seem to mention to many things about the technical aspects of it. :-P |
16:11:45 | preglow | it is |
16:12:30 | * | ^BeN^ is pass driving test :) |
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16:13:57 | Bagder | Llorean: nah, but RFC is crazy |
16:14:06 | Llorean | Heh. |
16:14:16 | Bagder | everyone is extending it as they see fit |
16:14:32 | Bagder | even back when I wrote IRC stuff it was impossible |
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16:15:44 | TrueJournals | So I'll take it no one knows why... |
16:15:48 | preglow | yeah, if you only follow the rfc, you'll be surprised |
16:16:03 | TrueJournals | yay being on topic ;-) |
16:16:09 | Llorean | TrueJournals: Generally speaking, if someone knows exactly *why* something happens, it's because they've just fixed it. |
16:16:18 | TrueJournals | good point |
16:16:47 | TrueJournals | has anyone been trying anything? Do we know what DOESN'T fix it? |
16:17:07 | Llorean | TrueJournals: Installing the KoC8 patch. |
16:17:19 | TrueJournals | :rolleyes: |
16:17:23 | Llorean | The current theory is that it's an issue regarding the cache, I believe. |
16:17:39 | Llorean | But since the KoC patch is just a patch, generally speaking there's only one or two people working on it. |
16:17:58 | TrueJournals | *sigh* |
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16:18:58 | dan_a | Can't stop in for long, but I saw talk about the COP patch... |
16:19:08 | Llorean | dan_a: Just questions about if we know why it breaks Recording. |
16:19:09 | TrueJournals | heh |
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16:19:27 | dan_a | TrueJournals: Do you ever get into the recording screen, or does it hang before there? |
16:19:46 | TrueJournals | I've gotten in once or twice, I've been able to press one button and then it freezes sometimes |
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16:19:57 | TrueJournals | the majority of the time, I go in and it freezes immediately |
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16:20:54 | dan_a | In that case, it's not the caching - I tried turning the cache off, and it still seems to freeze on entering the recording screen |
16:21:47 | webguest48 | is there a possibility to test the charging with UiSimulator? |
16:21:50 | dan_a | but without the cache it runs very slowly anyway, so I wasn't sure if it was just taking a really long time to do something |
16:21:53 | GodEater | Llorean: I like your idea about the drop down list of drives, and use best guesses based on the volume label to select a default for rbutil |
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16:22:10 | markun | webguest48: I don't think so |
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16:22:30 | Llorean | GodEater: As far as I'm concerned, a list is ALWAYS essential, since someone may be silly and have two devices attached, so at best it should just "suggest" a drive, rather than automatically using one. |
16:22:34 | dan_a | So I don't have a clue what the problem is. |
16:22:35 | BiptoN | could it be something regarding IDATA_ATTR |
16:22:53 | GodEater | Llorean: very true - that's a strong argument. You should put that in the thread too. |
16:23:21 | dan_a | BiptoN: Only if we're running out of IRAM, but I think the linker would complain |
16:23:32 | * | dan_a goes back to tuning an Apache server |
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16:25:21 | Llorean | GodEater: Updated my post, howsit sound? |
16:25:53 | GodEater | Llorean: sounds perfect now. |
16:27:15 | webguest48 | I have a ipod mini and fiddling around with a little theme. I tried %?bc<xda|%?bl<%xde|%xdf|%xdg...>> to show pic a, if the charger is connected, but it doesnt work. |
16:28:19 | Llorean | webguest48: Does the status bar in the menus show change when the charger is connected? |
16:28:51 | webguest48 | jep. it is slowly mounting. |
16:29:01 | webguest48 | oh, mom. |
16:29:11 | webguest48 | you men the standard bar |
16:29:13 | webguest48 | ? |
16:29:24 | Llorean | What "standard bar" |
16:29:39 | Llorean | There's only one status bar in the menu. |
16:29:46 | Llorean | Does it show a charger icon next to the battery level? |
16:29:51 | webguest48 | the one, that you can disable via %wd |
16:30:03 | Llorean | I said IN THE MENU. |
16:30:09 | Llorean | Not in the WPS. |
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16:30:34 | webguest48 | mom, I'll try |
16:31:46 | webguest48 | no. so you think, it isnt supported? |
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16:34:01 | Llorean | webguest48: Right now, while the iPod should charge, the charger icon may not show up. Which means that you won't be able to use that line in a WPS until it does. |
16:34:04 | webguest48 | perhaps I should try bp instead? |
16:34:10 | amiconn | webguest48: Charging detection currently doesn't work on ipod except the G5 |
16:34:36 | amiconn | I have a mini G2 myself and will add it when I find the time |
16:34:37 | dewdude | why do soo many patches have failed hunks? |
16:34:46 | Llorean | dewdude: Because the authors don't update them? |
16:34:55 | dewdude | but..i need that functionality |
16:35:04 | dewdude | and i'm not using a month old build for it |
16:35:07 | Llorean | Then fix the patch. |
16:35:10 | GodEater | fix the patches then ? |
16:35:18 | dewdude | i am in no way a programmer |
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16:35:21 | dewdude | you give me code, i will break it |
16:35:29 | Llorean | Then wait for someone else to fix the patch. |
16:35:39 | GodEater | or live without it |
16:36:02 | dewdude | i can live without it, but i can't understand why people can't write stuff that doesn't break as soon as the next SVN is out |
16:36:26 | GodEater | because the people that write that the patches find seeing into the future quite hard I imagine |
16:36:28 | Llorean | dewdude: Can you write something that doesn't break when the next SVN comes out? |
16:36:36 | dewdude | i can't write anything |
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16:36:48 | dewdude | you highly underestimate how stupid i am when it comes to code |
16:37:02 | Llorean | A patch is a list of changes existing code. If the existing code changes, the patch can't find the lines it's supposed to change any more. |
16:37:13 | GodEater | then it's pretty unreasonable to pick fault with those people that can |
16:37:34 | dewdude | yeah, but i mean....nevermind |
16:37:38 | dewdude | i'm just pissed this morning |
16:38:32 | Llorean | dewdude: Basically, it's physically impossible to write a patch that modifies existing code without that patch breaking eventually when the existing code changes. You're asking for programmers to do the impossible. |
16:42:17 | GodEater | I that guy asking about DAPs for his blind customers can find a GB to test with. |
16:43:54 | GodEater | I think the voice works fine on it since I worked out that that last release of VB is broken |
16:44:06 | GodEater | I can use it in the car now without taking my eyes off the road |
16:44:44 | TrueJournals | OK... I need a little bit of help with the album art patch... |
16:45:00 | Llorean | GodEater: Well, Voice is not entirely reliable still. But it's better than it was six months ago. |
16:45:10 | TrueJournals | All my album art is in my MP3s, is there a program for Windows XP that will extract that album art and put it in the folder the MP3 is in? |
16:45:38 | GodEater | what do you class as "not entirely reliable" ? |
16:45:48 | GodEater | are there circumstances under which it doesn't work ? |
16:46:04 | Llorean | GodEater: There are circumstances under which you can break it entirely, last I heard. |
16:46:20 | GodEater | wonder what they are |
16:46:45 | Llorean | They may be fixed. |
16:46:48 | Llorean | I'm not sure. |
16:47:08 | GodEater | hard to tell if we don't know what they were though eh ? ;) |
16:47:17 | Llorean | Yeah. |
16:47:30 | GodEater | seems pretty good to me so far though |
16:47:36 | Llorean | Yeah |
16:47:48 | Llorean | But for blind navigation, voice needs to be something that is pretty damn rock solid. |
16:47:56 | GodEater | oh I agree |
16:48:02 | Llorean | It's probably good enough for most users too, it's just the kind of thing that we should strive to have 'perfect' |
16:48:03 | Mikachu | i would like it too, for pocket navigation |
16:48:19 | Mikachu | sometimes you wonder why play doesn't work, and it turns out you're somewhere in a menu |
16:48:45 | GodEater | it doesn't work on your target ? |
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16:49:09 | Mikachu | i haven't tried because i heard it doesn't work so well :) |
16:49:22 | GodEater | works pretty well if you ask me |
16:49:23 | Mikachu | i tried around january last year maybe |
16:49:34 | GodEater | probably worth revisiting it then :) |
16:50:34 | GodEater | I used a different voice for the dirnames than from the menu too to help me work out where I am a bit quicker |
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16:51:04 | GodEater | if a girl is speaking it's in the file browser, if it's a man, then I'm in the RB menu somewhere |
16:51:26 | Mikachu | heh |
16:51:39 | GodEater | I thought that was a good idea |
16:57:46 | GodEater | I'm assuming, but only because I've never actually looked, that RockBox is pretty much the only firmware out there that DOES provide something useful for blind users ? |
16:58:37 | Llorean | GodEater: Apple filed a patented related to prerecorded voice clips for a similar purpose, but hasn't done anything with it yet. |
16:59:11 | GodEater | when did they do that ? |
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16:59:33 | GodEater | curious to know if it was before or after rockbox implemented it |
16:59:37 | Llorean | Well, it became public sometime during last year, so the patent was from quite some time before. |
16:59:43 | Llorean | But their patent was filed *after* Rockbox had voice. |
16:59:57 | Llorean | If I remember the results of everyone scrambling around out of curiosity. |
16:59:58 | GodEater | shouldn't it have been denied then ? |
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17:00:03 | GodEater | as Rockbox is prior art ? |
17:00:27 | Llorean | GodEater: You assume two things: One being that their patent is similar enough to what we do, and Two being that the patent office was doing their job. |
17:00:27 | GodEater | mind you, the US patent office is world reknowned for it's efficiency.... |
17:00:35 | GodEater | hehe |
17:01:09 | Llorean | That being said, if it covers what Rockbox does, that means Rockbox is prior art and should *in theory* be somewhat hard for them to attack. |
17:01:25 | Llorean | But, being not a lawyer in any sense of the word, that's my personal conjecture. |
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17:01:41 | GodEater | I'm in agreement, but IAANAL |
17:02:08 | GodEater | that's a terrible looking acronym which I vow never to use again |
17:02:22 | Llorean | Until next time, at least. |
17:02:22 | TrueJournals | lol |
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17:03:04 | idnar | don't you mean "IANAL"? |
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17:04:04 | Soap | no, he means "I absolutely am not a lawyer" |
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17:04:22 | GodEater | I actually mean "I am also not a lawyer" |
17:04:53 | Soap | "I ain't a nasty ass lawyer" |
17:05:01 | GodEater | that's a better one though ;) |
17:05:27 | idnar | heh |
17:05:46 | idnar | I Am A Norwegian Autistic Lawyer |
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17:07:48 | GodEater | I'm sorry to hear that |
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17:14:30 | Zagor | GodEater:: the US patent office has several times said that they only consider other patents prior art... |
17:14:58 | GodEater | that's very nice of them |
17:16:41 | GodEater | "we'll let you take out this patent and make lots of money off it because all the other people that have been doing it for years were too stupid to file their own patent" |
17:16:58 | GodEater | "so clearly you're very original" |
17:17:47 | * | GodEater has already signed the petition at No. 10's ePetition site asking the Prime Minister to scrap any plans at supporting software patents |
17:18:45 | Llorean | GodEater: Well, the thing is that in the US it is still "First to invent" rather than "First to file" (there was a recent attempt to change the law to be First to File, but AFAIK it failed). |
17:19:58 | webguest48 | my mini doesn't boot into original firmware. What can I do about that? (I asked that question in the forum already.. but perhaps you can give me a quick answer?) switch on HOLD quickly after pressing Menu to swich on. then it says something like "loading original software" - "klick!" reboot... |
17:20:05 | GodEater | erm. Doesnt' that contradict what Zagor just said ? |
17:20:40 | Llorean | GodEater: What the law is, and how the patent office acts, are two different things. |
17:21:02 | Soap | de facto / de jure |
17:21:28 | Llorean | So while the patent is unlikely to accept Rockbox as prior art, it could *possibly* still be used were a lawsuit to crop up over that patent. |
17:21:33 | Llorean | patent office. |
17:21:35 | linuxstb | webguest48: It's a known issue with the latest bootloaders and/or the latest ipodpatcher. You should reinstall Rockbox using the instructions and files from the IpodInstallation wiki page until the problem's found. |
17:21:50 | linuxstb | (it only affects the two minis and the 4g greyscale) |
17:22:17 | GodEater | That makes no sense at all. I'm SO glad I'm not a lawyer. |
17:22:25 | barrywardell | midgey: the new Rockboy patch looks good. I'm not getting my settings change crash any more :) |
17:22:46 | midgey | strange, i didn't change much in settings |
17:22:49 | webguest48 | ipodinstallation wiki page? |
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17:22:50 | Llorean | GodEater: If law made consistent sense, we wouldn't *need* lawyers. |
17:22:55 | GodEater | I guess since Rockbox is a European based project anyway we don't really care what the US patent office thinks anyway |
17:23:06 | GodEater | Llorean: you speak the truth again :) |
17:23:21 | barrywardell | midgey: yeah, i know. but I can't cause it to crash any more now |
17:23:29 | Zagor | godeater: the patent office doesn't consider anything other than an already existing patent "prior art" insofar that it prevents them from granting a patent |
17:23:40 | Zagor | however you can still challenge such patents in court |
17:23:49 | GodEater | I get scared of words like "insofar" it've very legalese |
17:23:55 | Llorean | Hehehe |
17:24:15 | GodEater | but I see what you mean now |
17:24:34 | Llorean | midgey: So, does that mean the Rockboy patch is ready for commit? |
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17:25:15 | Soap | yes, the burden of proof is on the challenger - which leads to some nasty messes - but I firmly believe if the burden of proof was on the defender we would have equal and opposite problems. The root issue is when you have financial inequity between sides, so one can throw weight around through expensive tactics. |
17:25:59 | barrywardell | midgey: do you plan to commit your changes? or do you want me to test anything else? |
17:26:17 | webguest48 | where can I find the ipodinstallation wiki page? |
17:26:20 | midgey | ill probably commit sometime tonight |
17:26:31 | midgey | there's still plenty of work that can be done on rockboy |
17:26:59 | Zagor | the fact that you can challenge patents is also used by the patent office(s) as an excuse to grant questionable patents. "our sloppiness it not a problem - you can always challenge it in court" |
17:26:59 | barrywardell | great. It would be nice to have it working real time ;) |
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17:27:20 | linuxstb | webguest48: It's "IpodInstallation" (with capital Is) - you find all wiki pages on the Rockbox website. Click on the wiki link on the left, and type the page name in the "Go" box at the top. |
17:27:24 | * | midgey is way over his head with dynarec |
17:28:10 | Llorean | midgey: And that'll offer a rather huge speed gain, no? |
17:28:21 | midgey | it should |
17:28:26 | Llorean | In theory |
17:28:39 | midgey | the asm core from iboy would give pp targets a monster increase as well |
17:28:45 | linuxstb | Given what I observed in pacbox, the LCD updates and screen rendering are a relatively easy source for optimisation in emulators. |
17:28:57 | barrywardell | how possible is the suggestion to push things on to the cop? |
17:28:58 | midgey | but their core has undergone a large amount of changes |
17:29:10 | midgey | barrywardell: i haven't looked at it |
17:29:16 | midgey | iboy uses the cop |
17:29:28 | midgey | dsboy also has an arm core |
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17:29:46 | midgey | and so does an old version of gnuboyCE (i think) |
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17:30:29 | linuxstb | midgey: Have you profiled how much time the LCD updates are taking? e.g. try disabling them and see how fast it runs. |
17:30:48 | midgey | i tried profiling them, but i got a blank profile.out |
17:30:59 | midgey | im going to try disabling them some time this week |
17:30:59 | Llorean | barrywardell: COP is only effective for the iPods though. I'd hope that some improvements could be made cross-target first. |
17:31:14 | linuxstb | I don't mean "real" profiling, just measuring the speed of rockboy's emulation with no screen rendering or lcd updates. |
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17:31:29 | midgey | yah, ill me trying that soon |
17:32:09 | midgey | completely commenting out the sound related code added a 5% speed up for anyone interested in building their own |
17:32:27 | Llorean | barrywardell: Then again, the only fix I really 'want' is having audio sound a bit nicer. :) |
17:32:52 | * | midgey wants a gigabeat |
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17:34:07 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Do you know if the COP patch freezes in the recording screen on the H10 as well? |
17:34:48 | linuxstb | I tried the recording yesterday (on my kernel-on-COP build that had the codec thread still on the main CPU) and it still froze in the recording screen... |
17:38:18 | barrywardell | Llorean: true. but no harm in using the cop when it's available |
17:38:34 | barrywardell | linuxstb: yes, it does. it doesn't even get to show the screen before freezing |
17:38:45 | Llorean | barrywardell: Very true |
17:39:31 | linuxstb | It displayed about half the screen before freezing for me - I saw the peakmeters, but that's all. |
17:39:41 | barrywardell | linuxstb: same here |
17:40:12 | barrywardell | i didn't investigate why. i'm still trying to figure out what causes ipod_set_cpu_frequency to give problems |
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17:44:00 | linuxstb | Llorean: Not sure if you noticed in the IRC logs earlier today, but there are now updated ipod bootloaders on the download server - so no more -1 errors. |
17:44:21 | barrywardell | midgey: pagefault from zsnes used to hang out here (he has a H10).I think he would know quite a bit about optimising emulators. I haven't seen him around recently though. |
17:44:55 | midgey | i saw him around a while back, wasnt he planning on working on spc? |
17:45:00 | Llorean | linuxstb: Good to hear. |
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17:45:29 | Llorean | midgey: Well, now there's a mostly working SPC anyway. |
17:45:33 | barrywardell | yeah, I think he was talking about it |
17:45:51 | midgey | Llorean: I use the patch :) |
17:46:13 | pondlife | Why does Rockbox have to be in music playing mode OR USB connection mode? Is this hardware enforced on all targets, or just some? |
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17:46:41 | Llorean | pondlife: I believe it's hardware enforced on all the targets Rockbox currently has a USB mode for. |
17:46:42 | pondlife | i.e. Why not allow a USB thread to run but keep playing music/displaying the normal UI... |
17:47:09 | pondlife | I know the Archos was certainly one-or-the-other, but wasn't sure about later targets. |
17:47:19 | amiconn | Where would this thread take the data from? |
17:47:39 | pondlife | amiconn: Which thread? |
17:47:55 | amiconn | The one that plays music... |
17:48:10 | Llorean | amiconn: In theory, couldn't a device read from the HD and allow the computer access to it concurrently? |
17:48:16 | pondlife | The hard disk? Ah - the USB thread needs the audio buffer? |
17:48:23 | amiconn | On all targets with hw controlled usb (which are all targets except the pp ones), switching to usb mode hands over disk control to the usb-ata bridge |
17:48:31 | pondlife | OK |
17:48:39 | pondlife | That answers my question then |
17:48:51 | amiconn | It's one or the other, shared access is impossible |
17:49:24 | barrywardell | pp targets would probably allow shared access - the usb is largely software based |
17:49:48 | pondlife | amiconn: Do you object to FS #5744 - adding a shift button to allow USB powering without USB playback? |
17:50:01 | pondlife | Or is there a better way to achieve this? |
17:50:24 | pondlife | (Note the attached patch gets English.lang slightly wrong, but I've fixed that locally.) |
17:51:10 | Llorean | pondlife: With proper charger detection on the iPods, it doesn't seem as necessary any more. |
17:51:21 | linuxstb | You mean add a setting to toggle the default behaviour when connecting to USB? |
17:51:23 | amiconn | barrywardell: Yes, but then the usb stack would have to present a virtual mass storage device to the host |
17:51:29 | Llorean | Though I do like how Car Mode overrides USB connection unless something is held down. |
17:51:29 | pondlife | I don't think it affects iPods |
17:51:36 | pondlife | More Archos and iRiver |
17:51:40 | Llorean | pondlife: It says explicitly that it does affect iPods. |
17:51:57 | pondlife | Ah, ok |
17:52:24 | pondlife | Indeed it does |
17:52:38 | * | pondlife was misreading Deutsch.lang |
17:52:48 | Llorean | But overall, is there really a needed option to switch the behaviour at will? |
17:52:48 | * | amiconn doesn't see the point in that option |
17:53:18 | pondlife | Is there another way to run USB powered? |
17:53:25 | Llorean | amiconn: I like the "car mode" part of it, for devices that can't detect if it's a charger (I don't know how the H300 reacts to USB chargers, for example) |
17:53:38 | Llorean | pondlife: All that does is swap behaviour |
17:53:44 | pondlife | i.e. running Rockbox plugged into USB, without USB connection taking place. |
17:53:47 | Llorean | Right now if you hold a button, USB insertion doesn't go to disk mode. |
17:54:08 | Llorean | That patch allows you the option to switch it so that instead holding the button causes disk mode, and not holding it charges. |
17:54:33 | pondlife | I didn't know there was a button option already. |
17:54:47 | linuxstb | It's been there since the Archos days... |
17:55:13 | pondlife | Aha. Only got H300 USB powering recently. Any idea which button I hold to avoid disk mode? |
17:55:22 | pondlife | I agree then that this patch is unneeded. |
17:55:26 | linuxstb | That patch tells you - the POWER button. |
17:55:32 | linuxstb | sorry, REC. |
17:56:02 | Llorean | I do think that in car adapter mode, disk mode should never be triggered by default on insertion. |
17:56:05 | linuxstb | I can see how you thought the patch introduced this feature though. |
17:56:15 | pondlife | It's not in the manual |
17:56:46 | * | Llorean wonders why it's not in the manual. |
17:56:59 | pondlife | Well, maybe I can't find it! |
17:57:05 | pondlife | Just looking at the PDF |
17:57:06 | Llorean | Well, it may not be. |
17:57:55 | Llorean | I didn't realize the Gigabeat could charge on USB until about two days ago. |
17:59:31 | pixelma | hmm... I don't understand what it should do on the Ondio. It doesn't charge via USB and it is already implemented that I can chose between USB power mode and USB connection depending on whether I hold mode while plugging or not... |
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18:00:43 | Llorean | pixelma: It adds an option to swap the default behaviour. |
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18:04:00 | pondlife | Yep - REC works nicely. |
18:04:15 | pondlife | I'll put a comment on the patch and forget it. |
18:04:54 | linuxstb | Anyone know if the patch author is an ipod user? |
18:05:03 | TrueJournals | can someone tell me the full syntax for %pb? |
18:05:10 | TrueJournals | (in a WPS, of course...) |
18:05:18 | pixelma | thanks for explaining - but then I don't see the point. *imagines all the upcoming questions: why is my USB connection not working* ;) |
18:05:33 | linuxstb | Ah no, he says he has a H300... |
18:05:36 | pondlife | linuxstb: It's Massa, I think he's an Iriver user |
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18:06:06 | Llorean | TrueJournals: The syntaxes are all on the CustomWPS page, or should be. |
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18:06:49 | linuxstb | These are the kind of patches we need to either accept or reject, rather than leave cluttering up the patch tracker. |
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18:07:09 | TrueJournals | Llorean: I saw that... but I'm looking at a WPS, and it shows 4 parameters, but the CustomWPS page shows three... it says "%pb|height|leftpos|rightpos|" Does the WPS I'm looking at just have an extra parameter? |
18:07:32 | pondlife | linuxstb: I can see the use for such a patch |
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18:07:45 | pondlife | But on the other hand, it is definitely bloat! |
18:07:52 | Llorean | TrueJournals: Does the WPS you're looking at use a patch? |
18:08:18 | pondlife | Personally, I think I'd prefer the power-only option as a default. |
18:08:28 | TrueJournals | Llorean: didn't think about that... it uses scrolling margins and album art... but that wouldn't affect the %pb tag... would it? |
18:08:32 | pixelma | TrueJournals: most probably a wps that uses a patch - there is one for defining the y-coordinate of the progress bar |
18:08:49 | TrueJournals | hm, maybe it uses that then... didn't say anything about it though |
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18:09:16 | pondlife | linuxstb: Do you have an opinion? Rejecting it seems overly harsh. |
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18:09:48 | Llorean | The problem with *not* rejecting it, is that it implies the patch is still under consideration. |
18:09:52 | linuxstb | I wouldn't use the patch myself, but I can understand that people who use their computers for charging whilst listening would find it useful. |
18:10:25 | pondlife | We need a status to indicate that it's not going into SVN but is useful for custom builds! |
18:10:39 | Llorean | pondlife: That's arguably what "rejected" is. |
18:10:48 | Llorean | The problem is, new revisions of the patch can't be updated with it. |
18:10:59 | pondlife | And it's not displayed in searches is it? |
18:11:07 | linuxstb | Not by default. |
18:11:14 | Llorean | But you can search closed tasks easily |
18:11:32 | TrueJournals | Llorean: that's the problem with closed patches though... people don't think to search ALL patches, only open ones :-\ |
18:11:34 | pondlife | Yes, but there are some really bad closed tasks to hunt through |
18:11:47 | pondlife | This is a genuinely useful patch. |
18:12:24 | Llorean | If you use the search function it should be easy to find. |
18:12:27 | Llorean | Or if you remember the task number |
18:12:37 | pondlife | I'm wavering towards accepting the patch ;-/ |
18:12:55 | Llorean | pondlife: Despite nobody really speaking in favour of it? |
18:13:01 | pondlife | Well, I am! |
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18:13:10 | pondlife | Only amiconn has spoken against it. |
18:13:30 | pondlife | So I make that 1-1 |
18:13:31 | Llorean | I think the option in the menu is only useful for people who can't be bothered to hold down a single button. |
18:13:47 | Llorean | I don't think increasing the code size is a good replacement for "pressing a single button" |
18:13:53 | pondlife | OK. 2-1 |
18:14:00 | pondlife | So I'll consider it rejected |
18:14:34 | linuxstb | Don't take this as a vote in favour, but I don't think that features which make Rockbox more convenient to use should always be rejected... |
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18:14:55 | pondlife | That's my take on this exactly. |
18:15:05 | Llorean | linuxstb: Yeah, but there's a difference between "more convenient" and "adding a new menu option to replace a single button press" |
18:15:37 | * | Llorean shrugs |
18:16:02 | pondlife | If I had known that the button press option was there I might feel more like you do. |
18:16:55 | linuxstb | But I think in this case, I'm against - you have to hold the player to insert the USB cable, so you can easily press the button whilst doing it. |
18:17:08 | pixelma | option bloat could make rockbox inconvenient too IMO (makes it harder to find such options) |
18:17:49 | linuxstb | And as pixelma said earlier, there's the potential issue of "help! my computer can't see my device" if someone accidentally enables that option. |
18:18:01 | pondlife | I think I'll use USB for power much more often than connection. i.e. run it powered every day, but only update the music occasionally. |
18:18:14 | Llorean | I think "more convenient" should depend somewhat on whether the original state was actually inconvenient, and I really don't think it is (or if it is for some people, it's very minorly so) |
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18:18:31 | pondlife | So my custom build would have the button hold inverted. |
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18:19:18 | Llorean | I have an idea! |
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18:19:25 | pondlife | Tell! |
18:19:31 | Llorean | What if, while music is playing, it defaults to charging? |
18:19:42 | Llorean | And if music is *not* playing, it defaults to USB mode. |
18:19:52 | Llorean | And then just document that. |
18:20:19 | linuxstb | That seems arbitrary. What about radio, recordings, plugins, ... |
18:20:22 | pondlife | I kind-of like the idea, but suspect it's confusing. |
18:20:53 | Llorean | linuxstb: Okay, "Filetree and Menu go to USB mode, all others don't" |
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18:21:31 | Llorean | I dunno. |
18:21:53 | Llorean | As it is, I don't think you go into USB mode in plugins, do you? |
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18:22:16 | linuxstb | You _should_ do, but it depends if the plugin implements it correctly. |
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18:22:42 | linuxstb | It should probably be called a bug if a plugin doesn't enter USB mode. |
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18:23:01 | Llorean | I don't really plug in USB terribly often while in plugins so I don't know. :) |
18:23:49 | pondlife | I think the default option is simpler. Or nothing at all. |
18:24:14 | pondlife | Sorry |
18:24:34 | Llorean | Oh, I'm quite familiar with my ideas being not the greatest. I tend to overcomplicate things. |
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18:27:32 | n1s | any lang wizards around? |
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18:28:38 | linuxstb | Ask and you'll find out. |
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18:30:30 | pondlife | linuxstb: I've put a comment on FS #5744 but will leave it open for a while to allow for discussion. |
18:30:42 | n1s | ok, using *: none as default in english.lang for a phrase makes the .lng file messed up and strings are in the wrong place when loaded from .lng but the built in strings are fine, this also happends when there is a case for a target so the default shouldn't be used... |
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18:30:57 | n1s | for example |
18:31:02 | n1s | h300: foo |
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18:31:16 | n1s | sorry h300: "foo" |
18:31:22 | n1s | *: none |
18:31:32 | n1s | breaks the .lng |
18:31:56 | | Part juxtap |
18:32:26 | n1s | replacing none with "" works fine however... |
18:33:15 | linuxstb | Llorean: Any comments on this output when ipodpatcher detects a macpod ? http://www.pastebin.ca/341452 |
18:33:54 | Llorean | linuxstb: I like that. If that's not enough information for them, they probably shouldn't be installing Rockbox in the first place. |
18:34:24 | * | Llorean would like to be rid of the /bin/view/Main/ in our twiki URLs some day. |
18:34:58 | Mikachu | maybe a redirect rule from /wiki to /twiki/bin/view/Main |
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18:36:59 | pondlife | Pity that Linux User article mentions "tag cache" so much... |
18:37:20 | pondlife | Also "...for any iPod." |
18:37:24 | bluebrother | linux user article? Is it available in the web? |
18:37:41 | pondlife | http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/76/Rockbox_iPod_MP3_Player_Firmware.pdf |
18:38:41 | pondlife | I like their main menu picture. Is that possible? Must need some patch? Or is it a mockup? |
18:39:07 | bluebrother | that's definitely patched |
18:39:29 | bluebrother | they also use multiple fonts in the wps |
18:39:50 | linuxstb | "to the iPod and a few other MP3 players"... |
18:39:52 | bluebrother | hehe, and a link to viewcvs for ipod_fw downloading |
18:40:00 | linuxstb | s/a few// |
18:40:14 | Llorean | That's jbuild |
18:40:18 | preglow | is it impossible to make an address free of errors? |
18:40:21 | preglow | this one also mentions flashing |
18:40:23 | Llorean | Or specifically, the 'jclix' series of WPSes |
18:40:32 | bluebrother | March 2007 ... that's quite recent. |
18:40:39 | linuxstb | There would be no article left if they used the current install instructions... |
18:40:44 | bluebrother | I'm wondering why they have so much errors :( |
18:40:50 | pondlife | Why do articles need to link to anything other than www.rockbox.org? |
18:41:02 | pondlife | Hah - "daily" |
18:41:05 | bluebrother | because it looks better if you have tons of urls? |
18:41:06 | Mikachu | why do people write instructions in articles? |
18:41:08 | linuxstb | An easy way to boost the wordcount in the article. |
18:41:37 | pondlife | "dredging the filesystem" - golden? |
18:41:42 | Llorean | So, it's next month's article *and* woefully outdated. |
18:41:56 | pondlife | Sorry - "dredging the depths of the filesystem" |
18:41:56 | bluebrother | "The Rockbox project offers a firmware called (surprise!) Rockbox" |
18:42:10 | Llorean | Our "Rockbox in the press" page should have sections for good and bad articles. |
18:42:30 | pondlife | Reviews, with marks out of 10! |
18:42:33 | bluebrother | maybe mark them with icons similar to the MajorChanges page? |
18:42:40 | bluebrother | or use a star rating ;-) |
18:42:53 | pondlife | "Amazingly, Rockbox also supports a number of other MP3 players" !! |
18:43:02 | pondlife | Wow, how amazing is that? |
18:43:11 | bluebrother | just read that |
18:43:37 | bluebrother | Amazingly, the editor missed the fact RB wasn't intended for the ipod in the first place (but ported later) ;-) |
18:43:40 | linuxstb | I don't think the author even realised you could dual-boot... |
18:43:45 | n1s | Bagder_: ping |
18:43:59 | desowin | "Before you start, be aware that the flash process does involve some inherent dangers." <- iPods are getting flashed ? :O |
18:43:59 | pondlife | linuxstb: Nah, better just to flash each time! |
18:44:00 | * | Llorean sends an email off to Linux Magazine. |
18:44:31 | bluebrother | the bootloader deletes parts of the OF? |
18:44:32 | linuxstb | Maybe there's a different Rockbox project we're not aware of... |
18:44:49 | Mikachu | they didn't even contact any developer before they wrote the article/ |
18:44:56 | bluebrother | oh, what did you wrote? |
18:45:08 | pondlife | http://alioth.debian.org/users/madkiss/ |
18:45:27 | pondlife | ;) |
18:46:00 | bluebrother | is that the autor of the article? |
18:46:16 | * | bluebrother goes checking ... yes. |
18:46:23 | pondlife | <Madkiss> ewll, let's see what winders thinks about this |
18:46:27 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20061015.txt |
18:46:42 | pondlife | Same person? This one seems to be Winders-based. |
18:46:48 | * | desowin wonders if he knows that rockbox has been ported to iPod, not otherwise |
18:46:55 | pondlife | Or rather Mac based |
18:47:28 | pondlife | <Madkiss> How do I make screenshots out of rockbox? |
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18:47:52 | desowin | simulator ? |
18:48:02 | Juice^ | can the sansa playback mpeg yet? |
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18:48:42 | Juice^ | This needs several functions implementing to support PluginMpegplayer, flipped/rotated displays and various others . hmmm |
18:49:38 | linuxstb | I remember someone saying that they had implemented those functions on the Sansa, but I'm not sure if a patch has been published yet. |
18:49:50 | Juice^ | oh ok |
18:50:31 | Llorean | http://pastebin.ca/341471 <−− How's this look as a letter to them? |
18:51:02 | Juice^ | the wiki needs an update on the sansa page - Power handling ALERT! - We are able to turn off the Sansa using software. We cannot monitor the battery level. |
18:51:08 | Juice^ | has been updated |
18:51:24 | Llorean | Juice^: The beauty of the wiki is if you feel it needs changed, you can change it. |
18:51:45 | Juice^ | Llorean: you need to be added for rights first dont you? |
18:52:00 | Llorean | Juice^: Yes. Sign up for the wiki, and then ask in here to be added. |
18:52:06 | linuxstb | s/amount of information that is untruthful/number of factual errors/ ? |
18:52:06 | Juice^ | ok |
18:52:13 | Llorean | linuxstb: Okay |
18:53:01 | bluebrother | Llorean: don't want to mention this will cause a lot of confusion (and possibly disappointed users)? |
18:53:29 | Llorean | I think the most important bit is the "Some things you said not only aren't true, but never have been" part of it. |
18:53:31 | freqmod | maybe you could write that if they want to write further articles like that they could try to contact the project in question for a "proofread" |
18:53:49 | Juice^ | ok. i need write access :) |
18:53:49 | pondlife | I would be a bit more positive - maybe say that we would be very happy to help answer your questions... |
18:54:05 | Llorean | pondlife: I'd have been happy to answer their questions *before* they published it. |
18:54:35 | pondlife | Well, there's always the chance they'll publish a correction |
18:54:39 | Llorean | Juice^: A username is needed. |
18:54:53 | linuxstb | Maybe we should have a "Contact Us" type page including details for press enquiries? |
18:55:01 | linuxstb | (I'm not sure what those details could be...) |
18:55:01 | Llorean | linuxstb: I would very much like that. |
18:55:02 | Juice^ | Llorean: FrodeFuglestad it is |
18:56:04 | Llorean | Juice^: Okay, should be done |
18:56:10 | pondlife | Anyone willing to monitor a press@rockbox.org address? |
18:56:16 | Llorean | pondlife: I'd be happy to. |
18:56:30 | pondlife | Well, there's an option then |
18:56:36 | Juice^ | Llorean: goodie |
18:56:37 | Llorean | I'd rather deal with press inquiries than run cleanup after. |
18:56:41 | pondlife | Indeed |
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18:58:54 | bluebrother | "... will appear until you run a command (???) ..." |
18:59:03 | bluebrother | run a command on a Rockbox device? Urgh. |
18:59:50 | Llorean | pondlife: http://pastebin.ca/341486 Better? |
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19:00:18 | bluebrother | they reference the file browser but the image (and caption) shows the main menu ... |
19:00:19 | Llorean | Also, the "Editorial" contact seem the right place to go? |
19:00:38 | pixelma | Llorean: I had a hard time to understand the third paragraph |
19:02:14 | Llorean | pixelma: http://pastebin.ca/341492 Better? |
19:02:50 | Llorean | Well, there should be a period, and then a capital W on the "we" |
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19:03:50 | pixelma | yes... better. (and I also wanted to suggest this ^) |
19:04:33 | Llorean | Alright, I'm thinking to the editor. Should I CC it to madkiss himself as well? |
19:04:34 | bluebrother | I'm especially missing a link to the manuals |
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19:05:10 | bluebrother | would be way better than to link individual tools |
19:06:37 | linuxstb | Llorean: Maybe it's worth saying when the new instructions were made available. |
19:07:15 | linuxstb | (16th December was when IpodInstallationBeta was created) |
19:07:17 | bluebrother | urgh. The link the manual as the daily builds page |
19:07:34 | linuxstb | So it was probably after the author's deadline (or at least, close to it). |
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19:07:57 | Llorean | linuxstb: That's why I mentioned that it's understandable about the installation instructions being out of date. |
19:08:07 | Llorean | I can understand the deadline issue. |
19:08:24 | Llorean | But there were things in there (rockbox deletes portions of the original firmware?) that are pretty much flat out wrong. |
19:08:56 | pondlife | Hopefully they don't have many readers!! |
19:09:06 | linuxstb | Yes, I was just wondering about the installation instructions. The new instructions seem older than that somehow... |
19:09:06 | bluebrother | the lng for voice files section is completely confusing too. |
19:09:08 | pondlife | Llorean: Sorry, yes that looks better. |
19:09:24 | Mikachu | in my experience almost all pc magazines are crap |
19:09:39 | pondlife | Maybe someone should do a before and after on the wiki - i.e. rewrite the article |
19:09:43 | Llorean | linuxstb: They were in the PDF manual as of 21st of Dec, too |
19:09:50 | pondlife | Then send them a link to say - here's a true version |
19:10:14 | pondlife | ;) |
19:10:40 | Llorean | Anyway, the final question: Do you feel I should CC this to madkiss, or would it be best to just stick to the editor? |
19:10:56 | linuxstb | I would say just the editor. |
19:11:06 | pondlife | I would read the IRC logs for madkiss before sending it to him. |
19:11:12 | pondlife | Just the editor |
19:11:32 | Llorean | Alright, editor it is. |
19:11:40 | bluebrother | we could start building a CorrectedArticlesAboutRockbox page ;-) |
19:11:51 | pondlife | I think that letter is reasonable. Hopefully it'll get published. |
19:12:19 | pondlife | Anyway, tea time |
19:12:58 | Llorean | It's slightly sad that, overall, the PortalPlayer targets are our worst ports, and get the most press. |
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19:14:05 | linuxstb | I think a problem is that the wiki/website has too much information in it, so newcomers miss the basics. Not sure how that can be fixed though. |
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19:15:57 | Mikachu | i think it's hard to find things on the wiki even when i know where it is |
19:16:22 | Llorean | The "normal" user shouldn't really be using the wiki for much. |
19:16:29 | Llorean | Should they? |
19:17:26 | Mikachu | everytime someone comes in here with a question you tell them to read a wiki page :) |
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19:17:46 | Llorean | Not these days, not so much. |
19:17:52 | Llorean | I tend to reference the manual a whole lot more, though |
19:18:44 | [toffe] | fo people in the US, you can find the Toshiba gigabeat F40 brand new at 190$ at office depot : http://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do;jsessionid=0000ABBIvRBu_RjoXjKjPBNj38k:10gg9eb56?level=SK&id=734578 |
19:21:49 | bospaadje | I'm a pretty new user (installed rockbox last tuesday) and I must admit the wiki is very confusing |
19:22:24 | Llorean | bospaadje: What are you looking for in the wiki, as a new user? |
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19:22:47 | bluebrother | in that terms, every wiki is confusing |
19:23:09 | bluebrother | even wikipedia. But for that you know the page title you're searching after |
19:23:45 | bospaadje | you'd probably want a clear page for features |
19:23:50 | bospaadje | there's at least 2 now |
19:24:14 | Llorean | For features? |
19:24:17 | bospaadje | and a clear way to find installation instructions |
19:24:28 | Llorean | bospaadje: Installation Instructions are clearly in the manual. |
19:24:29 | bospaadje | a page that shows which features rockbox has |
19:24:46 | bospaadje | Llorean, yes, but there's also 2 different installation instructions in the wiki |
19:24:51 | bospaadje | at least, for ipod |
19:25:13 | bospaadje | if you want users to use the ones in the manual, clear them off the wiki |
19:25:15 | linuxstb | The problem is Rockbox's fast development, and the fact that it's buggy... |
19:25:44 | bospaadje | I can understand the fast development makes this harder |
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19:25:49 | linuxstb | The install instructions are in a state of limbo due to the bugs with the 4g greyscale and minis. |
19:26:18 | linuxstb | They weren't spotted until after the manual was updated with the new instructions... So we have to keep the old instructions for those users. |
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19:26:45 | linuxstb | But I agree with you, once those bugs are fixed, we should only have the installation instructions in the manual. |
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19:27:33 | Soap | a dump of all the search terms entered into the wiki search box would be useful. Maybe a few redirection pages could be created from that data. |
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19:30:20 | bospaadje | the documentation index shows the manual and the installation instructions in the wiki separately.. I therefore assumed the manual would only be a manual to *use* rockbox, not to *install* it. maybe it could be stressed some more that people should first read & follow the manual before trying to find things in the wiki |
19:31:24 | linuxstb | Yes, I think that index should be changed - deleting the install instructions and putting a note next to the manual link saying that the manual includes installation instructions. |
19:33:00 | bospaadje | those were my thought.. maybe I'll look into this some more later, now i have to go |
19:34:43 | Llorean | " |
19:34:43 | Llorean | Thank you very much for your email. We will include your letter with |
19:34:43 | Llorean | our next issue, so that readers will be aware of the issues you raise. |
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19:34:43 | Llorean | " |
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19:34:56 | * | Llorean felt that was deserving of a multi-line paste. |
19:35:37 | preglow | would anyone see a point in being able to choose resampler quality? |
19:35:52 | Llorean | Also: "We would be very interested in talking to you about providing a follow-up article on the subject on Rockbox at the point of the next major release." So if/when 3.0 comes around, they're willing to actually talk to us first, it seems. |
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19:37:08 | n1s | preglow how big is the quality and speed difference, and how does it compare to the current one? |
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19:38:03 | Llorean | preglow: Well, I think if the resampler has the option, things like Doom could probably be happy with it at a lower quality (or for voice files, etc) than things like actual music playback? |
19:38:14 | Llorean | If it can be done in such a way |
19:38:31 | Mikachu | and those 500mhz target can use the higher setting |
19:42:21 | preglow | n1s: wouldn't know, just wondering if it would be interesting at all |
19:42:36 | preglow | there are tons of ways of doing resamplers, and i'm not quite sure what to use |
19:43:37 | preglow | the flexibility of rockbox in what sample rates which are possible to use doesn't exactly make it any easier either |
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20:05:24 | n1s | preglow: I'd say there would need to be some significant difference to warrant a setting for it, but that's just IMO... |
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20:26:51 | Soap | when you patch in SVN, is a log created anywhere tracking what patches you have applied/removed? |
20:28:24 | Mikachu | you mean when you run the "patch" command? |
20:28:53 | Soap | yes |
20:29:02 | Mikachu | then no |
20:29:08 | Mikachu | but you can run svn diff to see all changes of course |
20:29:16 | Mikachu | svn only tracks what you commit to the repository |
20:29:27 | Mikachu | everything you change locally is "one change" as far as svn is concerned |
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20:30:31 | Soap | ok. Hmm, trying to figure out a way to track my insertion / removal of specific patches. |
20:31:17 | linuxstb | history | grep patch ? |
20:31:45 | Mikachu | Soap: echo patchname >> patches |
20:31:52 | Mikachu | or use quilt |
20:32:12 | Mikachu | (it's some sort of local patch manager, i haven't tried it though) |
20:33:45 | Soap | hmm all three are interesting ideas. |
20:35:19 | Mikachu | the history one is somewhat flawed in case your shell expires old history |
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20:37:48 | Soap | I'd have to compare patch history to svn history to see what is really in there. |
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20:38:57 | Mikachu | if you have worthwhile changes, they should eventually go in svn... |
20:40:34 | amiconn | linuxstb: Regarding your latest commit - would it be possible to make ipodpatcher convert a macpod into a winpod? |
20:40:53 | amiconn | This would be fdisk-like functionality... |
20:40:53 | Soap | Soap with worthwhile changes? Ha! |
20:41:33 | amiconn | I'm not talking about non-destructive hfs->fat32 conversion... |
20:41:46 | linuxstb | :) |
20:42:12 | linuxstb | But yes, I've thought about that, and may implement it. |
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20:42:43 | linuxstb | The partition table editing should be trivial, and I've already looked at the mkfs.msdos source, and think that would be easy to incorporate. |
20:42:47 | amiconn | linuxstb: I think it would be possible to create a new fat32 partition and quick format it. |
20:42:49 | w1ll14m | amiconn: from linux or cygwin you should make a call to mkdosfs, from windows you could make a call to format |
20:42:55 | TrueJournals | Is there a way to get a diff file of all the changes from one commit to the next (as opposed to downloading the diff file for each changed files seperately)? |
20:42:59 | w1ll14m | else you could make compiled in support |
20:43:21 | w1ll14m | should = could :) |
20:43:45 | amiconn | linuxstb: What's the difference between macpod and winpod besides the file system of the main partition? |
20:43:58 | amiconn | I guess the partition table looks different / is in a different place? |
20:44:13 | linuxstb | Just the partition table - winpods have a DOS partition table, macpods have an Apple Partition Map. |
20:44:29 | amiconn | The firmware partition is the same I guess? |
20:44:42 | linuxstb | Yes, it's even in the same physical place. |
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20:45:19 | webguest16 | hey all |
20:45:46 | w1ll14m | hi |
20:45:48 | dewdude | webguest16 aren't you in here on a regular basis? |
20:46:22 | webguest16 | Nope, my first time |
20:46:30 | dewdude | oh, nvm then. |
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20:46:36 | webguest16 | I'm an idiot, and I could use some assistance |
20:46:42 | dewdude | did you real the manual? |
20:46:55 | webguest16 | Yeah |
20:47:09 | webguest16 | but I skipped a step, as I thought you were supposed to do it after |
20:47:13 | dewdude | well. |
20:47:21 | dewdude | you have to follow directions in order |
20:47:29 | dewdude | unless step 5 is "skip to step 10" |
20:47:33 | webguest16 | I never copied .roxkbox and rockbox.ipod onto my ipod |
20:47:39 | dewdude | oh, but you installed bootloader? |
20:47:43 | webguest16 | Yeah |
20:47:49 | linuxstb | So what's the problen? |
20:48:12 | webguest16 | So now my ipod won't boot up, or get recognized by windows to restore the partition |
20:48:23 | dewdude | just boot into either emergency disk mode or back into the ipod firmware |
20:48:28 | linuxstb | What does it say when it boots? |
20:48:33 | dewdude | plug it up, and away you should go.. |
20:48:51 | webguest16 | Up at the top on the left it says rockbox bootloader |
20:49:09 | linuxstb | And at the bottom? |
20:49:22 | webguest16 | then it gives the version, and the ipod version... doesn't say anything at the bottom |
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20:49:46 | linuxstb | It must have a last line... |
20:49:53 | webguest16 | And I don't know how to boot into the ipod firmware |
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20:50:12 | dewdude | webguest16 Ah-HA, then you didn't read the manual...at least very carefully |
20:50:14 | webguest16 | It just says toshiba mk8010gah |
20:50:27 | dewdude | yeah, he's got a working loader, but no rockbox.ipod to load, so i'm sure it's just hanging |
20:50:34 | w1ll14m | webguest: macpod? |
20:50:51 | linuxstb | Rockbox doesn't work on the 80GB video ipod... |
20:50:59 | webguest16 | Oh |
20:51:02 | dewdude | oh, he's got the 80 gig? |
20:51:07 | w1ll14m | hehe ? |
20:51:08 | webguest16 | well, I guwess that's why, then |
20:51:09 | webguest16 | :) |
20:51:11 | dewdude | you SHOULD of read that on the website |
20:51:13 | dewdude | it's right up front |
20:51:20 | linuxstb | It's in many places... |
20:51:31 | dewdude | clear as day "does not work on 80GB ipod" |
20:51:31 | webguest16 | I didn't see it, the page that redirected me skipped the first page |
20:51:33 | dewdude | i should flog you for even coming in here with that |
20:51:47 | dewdude | webguest16 it's on the main page, and several other places. |
20:51:53 | linuxstb | webguest16: Hold MENU+SELECT together to reboot, then hold SELECT+PLAY to force your ipod into disk mode. |
20:51:55 | dewdude | if you had read things properly, you would of seen that |
20:51:57 | Soap | what page lead you to rockbox, webguest16? |
20:52:10 | Mikachu | maybe that crap magazine |
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20:52:24 | linuxstb | webguest16: Then you can run the "ipodpatcher [device] -d" command to uninstall the bootloader. |
20:52:37 | linuxstb | (or simply restore with itunes) |
20:52:58 | webguest16 | It wasn't a magazine, it was just some webpage on lossless audio |
20:53:10 | linuxstb | The lossless audio blog/ |
20:53:12 | linuxstb | ? |
20:53:13 | dewdude | what webpage? |
20:53:30 | dewdude | don't be generic...give a URL. |
20:54:20 | webguest16 | I don't remember the base webpage, it was some guy's blog on lossless audio, and it redirected me to rockbox, and foobar2000 |
20:54:34 | linuxstb | Here? http://www.losslessaudioblog.com/ |
20:54:59 | webguest16 | That looks right, yeah |
20:56:05 | webguest16 | Sorry to be a pain, but one more question... Is there any way for me to get lossless audio on an 80gb player? |
20:56:43 | w1ll14m | webguest: convert audio to apple lossless via itunes, i believe that was possible |
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20:57:23 | linuxstb | But Rockbox should hopefully work on the 80GB in the near future, so keep checking the site. |
20:57:43 | webguest16 | Awesome, thanks |
20:57:51 | w1ll14m | linuxstb: what are we stuck on at this moment for supporting the 80Gb ipod >? |
20:58:04 | webguest16 | So, is the Lossless Audio Blog bad? Should I not rely on that site anymore? |
20:58:05 | w1ll14m | is it the ata driver? |
20:58:30 | linuxstb | The FAT and (maybe) the ATA drivers. |
20:58:47 | dewdude | i can't wait till somoene optimizes ATA |
20:58:53 | dewdude | maybe my ipod will stop locking up during disk access |
20:58:59 | linuxstb | It is optimised... |
20:59:07 | linuxstb | amiconn did it a couple of weeks ago. |
20:59:15 | w1ll14m | nice :) |
20:59:20 | dewdude | really? |
20:59:23 | dewdude | doesn't seem like it |
20:59:32 | dewdude | every time i switch tracks and it's running the hard drive, menu's lag to hell |
20:59:44 | w1ll14m | dewdude: do you use EQ? |
20:59:51 | dewdude | yes. |
20:59:56 | dewdude | and i'm NOT turning it off. |
20:59:57 | w1ll14m | dewdude:thats the prob |
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21:00:13 | w1ll14m | dewdude: i have the same problem :) |
21:00:18 | dewdude | bag |
21:00:18 | dewdude | bah |
21:00:31 | dewdude | i wish i knew C, i'd rewrite the EQ...the one they use isn't even all that great |
21:00:39 | dewdude | i'm also used to 10 or 20 BAND ISO setups |
21:00:40 | w1ll14m | dewdude: but changing the frequencies a bit works fine. |
21:00:50 | w1ll14m | atleast for me :) |
21:01:04 | dewdude | well, i spent two weeks tweaking the software and hardware EQ to sound right |
21:01:04 | linuxstb | The EQ isn't even in C, it's in assembler. |
21:01:16 | dewdude | ...ouch. |
21:01:26 | Mikachu | haha, dewdude, do you even know what you're talking about? |
21:01:29 | dewdude | yeah, i wish i had studied programming rather than studying audio in general |
21:01:36 | dewdude | Mikachu, not really. |
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21:02:08 | Mikachu | you may want to tell preglow his code sucks then |
21:02:17 | linuxstb | And sounds like a bag of shit... |
21:02:19 | w1ll14m | Mikachu: lol |
21:02:34 | dewdude | it SOUNDS ok. |
21:02:40 | dewdude | there's just a lack of bands |
21:02:50 | w1ll14m | i love software eq :) |
21:03:03 | w1ll14m | the main reason for using rockbox for me ;) |
21:03:30 | dewdude | but, as i said, i'm used to working with 10 to 20 bands...sometimes 30.. |
21:03:32 | dewdude | not 4 |
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21:03:58 | n1s | dewdude: more bands => slower EQ => more lag or skips (aka A Bad Thing) |
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21:04:11 | w1ll14m | dewdude: here's some info about how to when using softeq and still a nice ui :) (was heavely flamed in this task because it was not about the task) http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6095#comment12366 |
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21:04:31 | w1ll14m | maybe it's usefull |
21:05:00 | dewdude | n1s, i'm aware of that....but, at least for me, i can't get the quality i want just out of the software EQ..i have to back it up with hardware |
21:05:07 | Llorean | w1ll14m: You weren't flamed. You had it pointed out to you in no uncertain terms that Flyspray is about specific tasks. |
21:05:23 | Llorean | There were no 'attacks' in any sense. |
21:05:30 | Llorean | You were just told that it did not belong there. |
21:05:40 | w1ll14m | Llorean: some sort of flame, couldn't explain it in other words :) thanx for correcting me.. that was what i meant to say |
21:06:29 | dewdude | w1ll14m, that looks like a lot more work than i'm wanting to do, i'd rather stick with hving to wait 3 seconds for it to skip tracks |
21:06:35 | Llorean | w1ll14m: A flame usually means a personal attack, or an attack of some sort. I never said your idea was bad. I said that it wasn't related to the task at hand. |
21:07:25 | Llorean | Flyspray is meant to be even more on-topic than the forums, because it is _not_ just about discussion, it's about individual tasks. |
21:07:36 | w1ll14m | Llorean: that was exactly what i meant ;) maybe i will create a task in fs or so.... just thinking about it if there is enough interest |
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21:08:49 | Llorean | Well, what you should be doing is optimizing so that the current CPU speed becomes good enough. Raising the normal and boosted speeds pretty much ignores the problem, which is "Things need to run faster" |
21:08:58 | w1ll14m | dewdude: if you want nice ui + softeq there need to be some optimizations or some modifications to rockbox. i can't run a nice ui with softeq so i decided to 'change' the frequencies (Also Coteyr did this) |
21:09:14 | dewdude | yeah...my UI is all text |
21:09:16 | w1ll14m | Lloeran: i agree that optimizations are best |
21:09:37 | w1ll14m | dewdude: use default rockbox theme, that's lightwight |
21:09:49 | dewdude | i'm using modified dark_geek |
21:09:57 | w1ll14m | dewdude: what kind of player do you have ? |
21:10:03 | dewdude | 5.5 30g |
21:10:07 | w1ll14m | hmmm ok.... |
21:10:50 | w1ll14m | dewdude: i you would like i can share my ipod 5g 30gb build i use for nice eq and good ui |
21:11:00 | dewdude | well |
21:11:05 | dewdude | i just built my own. |
21:11:10 | w1ll14m | hehe :) |
21:11:16 | dewdude | what modifications specifically did you make |
21:11:25 | w1ll14m | just a sec.... |
21:12:00 | dewdude | i don't wanna mess a lot with cpu speeds |
21:12:04 | w1ll14m | read this patch: http://rockbox.schoorl.nu/cpu_freq_60-90-v1.patch |
21:12:15 | dewdude | i'm not clocking it to 90 |
21:12:19 | dewdude | it's supposed to run at 75 |
21:12:22 | dewdude | that's where it's staying |
21:12:23 | w1ll14m | true |
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21:12:36 | w1ll14m | then this is no option for you :) |
21:12:46 | dewdude | one thing i've learned in the past, it's better to deal with lag than to damage a cpu by overclocking it |
21:12:56 | linuxstb | w1ll14m: Have you tested clocking your ipod at a constant 90MHz and seeing if it's stable? |
21:12:58 | amiconn | preglow: around? |
21:13:22 | w1ll14m | dewdude hehe :) you can change frequencies to max 80 MHz because that is the max speed the core is supposed to run without overclocking it |
21:13:37 | w1ll14m | as the docs say about pp502x |
21:13:56 | dewdude | yeah, but then that'll drain cpu faster |
21:14:16 | dewdude | i think it's still an issue of i need to wait for things to be optimized |
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21:14:28 | w1ll14m | dewdude: my problem was that it consumes so much power from cpu with eq enabled that ipod drains out of power because the disk usage |
21:14:29 | dewdude | i mean, the last build i was running was fine..it was just older than dirt |
21:14:46 | * | dewdude scratches his head |
21:14:49 | dewdude | that makes little sense |
21:14:58 | dewdude | eq uses too much cpu power so it drains out cuz of disk. |
21:15:02 | w1ll14m | i compensated the power usage from disk with letting the core run at higher speeds |
21:15:15 | linuxstb | There isn't a doc about the PP5021 - the chip in the 5g. The PP5020 docs say up to 80MHz, the PP5022 docs say up to 100MHz. |
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21:15:47 | w1ll14m | my boost ratio is between 50% till 80% when normal usage |
21:16:02 | w1ll14m | true so ipod 5g's should beable to run at 80MHz |
21:16:36 | w1ll14m | normal speed from rockbox is clocked at 32MHz mine is 60MHz −−> then boost would be 75MHz rockbox default and mine is 90MHz |
21:16:38 | Soap | linear progression in model numbers does not equal linear progression in maximum clock speeds |
21:16:59 | amiconn | Normal speed is 30MHz |
21:17:16 | linuxstb | amiconn: What speed could you reliably run your mini g2 at? |
21:17:29 | w1ll14m | amiconn: i thought it was 32 :) |
21:17:32 | amiconn | I tried 96MHz once, and it worked for quite a while |
21:17:50 | amiconn | (an hour or so; didn't try longer) |
21:17:59 | w1ll14m | amiconn: 96MHz was unstable with my 5g 60GB but i could let my ipod 5g 30Gb run at 105 MHz |
21:18:23 | amiconn | 75MHz are more than enough as long as I don't use eq |
21:18:26 | w1ll14m | but now i clocked them to 90 MHz to exclude the possibility to damage hardware |
21:18:44 | w1ll14m | amiconn: true softeq uses a lot |
21:18:45 | amiconn | (which I would like to avoid but the mini 2g doesn't have any tone control) |
21:18:58 | Llorean | And we need to try to make 60mhz enough. |
21:19:09 | Llorean | If there's any hope of a well-functioning iFP port. |
21:19:20 | amiconn | Yes, 60MHz single core |
21:19:20 | w1ll14m | Llorean: then we need a lot of optimization |
21:19:36 | linuxstb | Or 54MHz for the av300... |
21:19:37 | w1ll14m | if you want to use softeq |
21:19:46 | Llorean | w1ll14m: Yes, and there's more incentive to optimize for people if there's not someone going around saying "Or we could just run the core a bit faster and everything's fine" :-P |
21:19:47 | * | amiconn is waiting for preglow's efficient treble & bass filters |
21:20:13 | Mikachu | we have a saying in sweden, "he who waits for a norwegian, always waits for too long" |
21:20:14 | amiconn | linuxstb: You don't need to worry about mpeg audio performance on the av... |
21:20:40 | linuxstb | No, but other formats... |
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21:20:54 | w1ll14m | Llorean: hehe true again :) we don't have to change frequencies, maybe some induviduals (like me) can use this to conpensate power consumption |
21:21:01 | Mikachu | (the one that isn't a joke goes "he who waits for something good never waits too long") |
21:21:01 | linuxstb | Although personally I'm just interested in FLAC, so I'm not concerned. |
21:21:28 | Llorean | If an iFP port ever did finish, I'd just use mine as a recording device anyway. |
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21:22:33 | w1ll14m | damn ... i realy ask my self sometimes what my life would be without rockbox..... |
21:22:44 | w1ll14m | it would be damn boring :) |
21:22:45 | Mikachu | a lot more spare time probably |
21:22:49 | * | robin0800 test |
21:22:52 | w1ll14m | hahaha |
21:23:14 | w1ll14m | well the dokter says i am not allowed to work for atleast 3 days :| |
21:23:21 | w1ll14m | docter* |
21:23:30 | Llorean | Oh! Right, I experienced something that may be related to the "screeching whitenoise" bug today. Some small screeches on track changes, intermittently. |
21:23:56 | w1ll14m | Mikachu: so these 3 days i have all the time of the world :) |
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21:24:33 | Llorean | I haven't been able to reproduce though. |
21:24:37 | w1ll14m | damn i hate my right thumb..... |
21:24:44 | Llorean | But it didn't happen until after I enabled the "Follow Playlist" option |
21:25:07 | Llorean | And this is both the first time I've ever used that option on any of my players, and the first time I've experienced this sometimes-bug |
21:25:14 | dewdude | like, ear splittling screeching? |
21:25:22 | Llorean | dewdude: I keep my volume quite low. |
21:25:33 | dewdude | even with low volume |
21:25:42 | Llorean | An irritating short (half-second) screech, then things go back to normal |
21:25:58 | * | linuxstb wishes he had three days with no work... |
21:26:08 | dewdude | i used to get that at the studio with one of the dac boxes |
21:26:43 | * | w1ll14m wishes he had a week no pain on his thumb and wouldn't have to eat antibiotics for it so he can drink a lot of beer....... |
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21:28:11 | * | Paprica is drink alcohol when he had to eat antibiotics and didnt feel wrong |
21:29:22 | Soap | it won't cause you to feel wrong - it will prevent the antibiotics from working. |
21:29:30 | * | w1ll14m had to go to hospital in 2005 because his antibiotics didn't worked correctly and the wound in his throat came back so he couldn't sleep, eat, drink or even get his medication |
21:29:53 | w1ll14m | that mistake won't happen again :) |
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21:30:08 | w1ll14m | they cut 4 times in the back of my throat |
21:30:18 | w1ll14m | damn .... that ware my goold ol days ;) |
21:30:27 | w1ll14m | suffered alot in that hospital |
21:30:55 | Paprica | uchhh |
21:30:56 | w1ll14m | i believe i have some bacterie in my blood which causes a lot more infections then other people have.... |
21:31:14 | w1ll14m | it's an internal infection in my right thumb..... |
21:31:24 | w1ll14m | cause: unknown |
21:31:51 | Paprica | =\ |
21:32:10 | w1ll14m | it realy hurtst alot ... i've had 2 hours of sleep last night .... |
21:32:30 | w1ll14m | got to bed 11:30 and the last time i watched my clock it was 04:50 |
21:32:45 | w1ll14m | and got out of bed 6:30 |
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21:32:53 | dewdude | w1ll14m, i'll give your patch a try in a bit |
21:33:14 | w1ll14m | dewdude: i think it helps, it helped me a lot |
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21:33:37 | dewdude | i shall give it a try and see how it does |
21:33:43 | Paprica | w1ll14m... and now... you are ok? |
21:33:48 | w1ll14m | you can always rebuild a svn build ;) |
21:33:58 | g33 | hej! why doesnt rockbox have external microphone as an option when recording on a h140? |
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21:34:05 | g33 | the original firmware has it |
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21:34:17 | w1ll14m | paprica: i still have an internal infection in my right thumb for a week now |
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21:34:32 | w1ll14m | today i started antibiotics |
21:34:35 | Llorean | g33: Because the original firmware option is just a change in gain. |
21:34:45 | Llorean | g33: It's a fake option, not necessary with Rockbox's full range of gain adjustments. |
21:34:56 | g33 | but i set my gain to automatic (voice) and its still stupidly loooow |
21:35:04 | Llorean | Then change it. |
21:35:11 | * | Paprica is wishes to w1ll14m a complete recovery.. |
21:35:15 | g33 | but if its automatic, should i have to change it? |
21:35:35 | Llorean | The automation is limited. As well, depending on your external mic, you may need a preamp. |
21:35:39 | * | w1ll14m has a strong body and is olmost never sick, that's why he went to alte to see the docter ;) |
21:35:41 | g33 | what do you reckon is a good setting for using the mic? |
21:35:47 | w1ll14m | almost* |
21:35:47 | g33 | im using the mic that came with the iriver |
21:36:07 | Llorean | g33: Try different things and see what works. A lot of it depends on the environment you're recording in, and what you're trying to record. |
21:36:37 | linuxstb | I don't like to say RTFM, but does the manual say anything about it? |
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21:36:41 | w1ll14m | dewdude: nice !!! my boost ratio is 43% :) |
21:36:42 | g33 | me singing and playing guitar... so a bit over voice level |
21:37:21 | dewdude | w1ll14m, well, i'll compile and see what it does |
21:37:29 | w1ll14m | dewdude: :) |
21:37:36 | g33 | aight ill check the settings,.. i just thought auto would do it.. |
21:38:01 | Llorean | linuxstb: I *think* the manual explains the various auto settings. I know I read about them somewhere, at least |
21:38:21 | g33 | i have read the manual FYI, but it was a couple of weeks ago |
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21:40:00 | dewdude | oh, hah, here's a reason i could be having problems with cpu..kernel on cop_8 patch fails |
21:40:10 | w1ll14m | linuxstb: you could also mention RTFM as Read The Friendly Manual |
21:40:12 | w1ll14m | lol |
21:40:34 | w1ll14m | dewdude: i think i will need to resync...... |
21:40:40 | w1ll14m | dewdude: a few secs...... |
21:40:43 | dewdude | i always prefers RTFW |
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21:40:49 | w1ll14m | RTFW ? |
21:40:59 | dewdude | it's one i made up |
21:41:06 | w1ll14m | tell me :) |
21:41:06 | dewdude | read the friggin wiki |
21:41:16 | Llorean | linuxstb: Yeah, the manual covers the five AGC settings |
21:41:26 | dewdude | that goes back to my ubuntu days\ |
21:41:27 | amiconn | Llorean: Strange, I never experienced screeching - and 'follow playlist' is one of my always enabled options... |
21:41:33 | dewdude | cuz anything i needed to know...was in the wiki |
21:41:45 | Llorean | amiconn: Well, it's only happened to me the once. So it could be entirely unrelated to the option. |
21:41:50 | Llorean | I do believe in coincidence. |
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21:42:13 | amiconn | hehe, ok |
21:42:40 | Llorean | Correlation does not imply causation. I just figured, since I don't think we've tracked this one down yet, maybe it'd be useful. Sounds like it's not. :) |
21:43:03 | w1ll14m | dewdude: patch rockbox with cop8, then run my patch (which fails with system.c) |
21:43:04 | preglow | amiconn: yeah |
21:43:17 | dewdude | THAT is probably why it failed |
21:43:21 | w1ll14m | them edit firmware/system.c find outl(0xaa020000 | 8 | (postmult << 8), 0x60006034); |
21:43:26 | dewdude | i think i ran your patch first |
21:43:29 | dewdude | whoa..wait |
21:43:30 | dewdude | edit? |
21:43:30 | w1ll14m | edit it to outl(0xaa020000 | 24 | (postmult << 8), 0x60006034); |
21:43:33 | dewdude | i dn't edit code. |
21:43:42 | dewdude | i screw it up somehow |
21:43:43 | w1ll14m | lemme write new patch |
21:43:44 | dewdude | but, ok. |
21:43:54 | dewdude | ok, 8 to 24 |
21:43:55 | dewdude | that i can do. |
21:43:56 | w1ll14m | yeah |
21:44:05 | w1ll14m | but then you need to patch cop8 first |
21:44:09 | dewdude | yeah. |
21:44:12 | w1ll14m | so start a clean svn |
21:44:33 | amiconn | preglow: I found that in couldfire FRACMUL_8() and FRACMUL_8_LOOP_PART() there is a potential optimisation if you write something in asm that is right now written in C |
21:44:45 | dewdude | or remove your patch.... |
21:44:50 | dewdude | which is what i did |
21:44:57 | dewdude | now i can reapply it |
21:45:04 | amiconn | If gcc is clever enough, it will catch this opt itself, but I don't trust in gcc... |
21:45:04 | w1ll14m | you could :) |
21:45:13 | w1ll14m | if this works fine, then it's no problem .... |
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21:45:22 | dewdude | now your patch fails. |
21:45:26 | hachi | has there been a discussion anywhere on why apple chose to switch to 2k block sizes in the 5.5g? |
21:45:27 | w1ll14m | true.... |
21:45:32 | amiconn | I am referring to the d = (d << 8) | (u & 0xff); part |
21:45:32 | w1ll14m | now edit firmware/system.c |
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21:45:37 | dewdude | umm |
21:45:39 | dewdude | your patch failed. |
21:45:58 | w1ll14m | find outl(0xaa020000 | 8 | (postmult << 8), 0x60006034); −−> outl(0xaa020000 | 24 | (postmult << 8), 0x60006034); |
21:46:08 | amiconn | This would just be a lsl.l #8 followed by a move.b ... |
21:46:19 | dewdude | dude, do i have to tell you again, your patch failed. |
21:46:46 | w1ll14m | dewdude it fails because the line outl(0xaa020000 | 8 | (postmult << 8), 0x60006034); was changed by cop8 |
21:46:59 | | Part hcs |
21:47:08 | dewdude | and that's enough to throw it off? |
21:47:10 | dewdude | wow. |
21:47:20 | amiconn | preglow: Apart from that I would like to know how far you got with the treble & bass filter |
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21:47:27 | preglow | amiconn: it's next on my list |
21:47:34 | w1ll14m | dewdude: i'm still working on the patch |
21:47:36 | jhMikeS | preglow: I happened to somehow convert everything from the codec to the pcm buffer to use per channel sample counts and somehow that had the effect of fixing resampler clicks ;) |
21:47:37 | preglow | amiconn: and yeah, i'll be writing the replaygain loop in asm |
21:47:53 | amiconn | ? |
21:47:55 | preglow | jhMikeS: then hooray! that's a better way than now anyway |
21:48:09 | amiconn | I was referring to the eq filter commit |
21:48:23 | jhMikeS | preglow: indeed it dumping a lot of complication and only requires one pcmbuf_insert function |
21:48:25 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, but the FRACMUL_8 macros are only used by the replaygain code |
21:48:30 | amiconn | ah ok |
21:48:34 | preglow | amiconn: what part of the code, btw? |
21:48:36 | jhMikeS | s/dumping/dumped/ |
21:49:06 | amiconn | [21:44:32] <amiconn> I am referring to the d = (d << 8) | (u & 0xff); part |
21:49:08 | preglow | jhMikeS: don't we already have just one? |
21:49:09 | amiconn | [21:45:08] <amiconn> This would just be a lsl.l #8 followed by a move.b ... |
21:49:22 | preglow | amiconn: ahh, yes, see it |
21:49:32 | jhMikeS | preglow: no, there was pcmbuf_insert_split and pcmbuf_insert which called pcmbuf_insert_split in the codec api |
21:50:08 | preglow | jhMikeS: yeah, but like you say, they're both really just pcmbuf_insert_split |
21:50:10 | jhMikeS | I made it so you just set ch2 to NULL for interleaved |
21:50:24 | preglow | good |
21:50:27 | preglow | is it commit ready? |
21:50:52 | jhMikeS | I'd like to test more, don't know if I goofed changing any codec outputs from bytes |
21:51:02 | preglow | amiconn: that's a nice trick to be aware of anyway, i might also be able to use it in FRACMUL_SHL |
21:51:11 | HardDisk_WP | n8 |
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21:51:34 | dewdude | no, dude |
21:51:34 | dewdude | i did what you said, edited the line |
21:51:34 | dewdude | and it still fails |
21:51:38 | dewdude | let me know when you get it working. |
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21:51:52 | jhMikeS | preglow: if you want a patch to check out then sure :) it does work on what I checked |
21:51:55 | w1ll14m | dewdude :) working on it |
21:51:59 | preglow | amiconn: i really keep forgetting that coldfire has any .b instructions at all... |
21:52:10 | preglow | jhMikeS: would be cool, can't test it now, but can soon |
21:52:15 | amiconn | These are sometimes rather useful... |
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21:53:02 | SMILE_Man | hello where i can download ipod fw , give me a link plaece |
21:53:17 | preglow | amiconn: indeed |
21:54:07 | * | jhMikeS should probably remove the looping in some codecs based on the return value of pcmbuf_insert since that seems like a holdover from something else |
21:54:27 | preglow | jhMikeS: i think there are a lot of holdovers from other things around |
21:54:55 | * | n1s wonders if Bagder has gone dark :-P |
21:55:06 | w1ll14m | dewdude: try this one: http://rockbox.schoorl.nu/cpu_freq_60-90-v2.patch |
21:55:12 | dewdude | ok, well |
21:55:14 | dewdude | i'm about to step out |
21:55:15 | jhMikeS | preglow: I'm guessing it's from a time the pcmbuf_insert in the core was called directly by the codecs or something |
21:55:18 | w1ll14m | dewdude, you need a clean svn and then patch COP8 then this patch |
21:55:35 | dewdude | ok |
21:55:39 | Music_Shuffle | Anyone got a minute to help me out? |
21:55:42 | n1s | maybe |
21:55:43 | w1ll14m | dewdude: let me know :) |
21:55:55 | Llorean | SMILE_Man: The official instructions that include mention of it also have a link to it. |
21:55:56 | n1s | Music_Shuffle: just ask your question |
21:56:09 | preglow | jhMikeS: starting to be a long time ago now, but it once was like that, yes |
21:56:23 | Music_Shuffle | Well, when I try to run the ipodpatcher step, it gives me an error to the effect of...'the device is not an iPod, aborting' |
21:56:39 | preglow | bah, no i can't use this trick in FRACMUL_SHL since i don't always need all eight bits |
21:56:55 | * | preglow hates FRACMUL_SHL on coldfire |
21:56:55 | Soap | what model ipod do you have Music_Shuffle ? |
21:56:58 | preglow | please optimise that :> |
21:57:01 | jhMikeS | preglow: it's actually a potential lockup waiting to happen if the dsp returns <= 0 for the input size |
21:57:08 | Music_Shuffle | Soap, Nano 1st gen |
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21:57:27 | preglow | bbl in 30 mins |
21:57:27 | Soap | can you see your ipod as a drive in windows explorer? |
21:57:27 | desowin | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodStatus <- shouldn't USB/Charger detection be updated ? |
21:57:35 | n1s | sure |
21:58:05 | Music_Shuffle | Soap, Nautilus*, and I can see it |
21:58:29 | Soap | see what happens when I assume! |
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21:58:46 | Soap | which instructions are you using Music_Shuffle ? |
21:58:48 | Llorean | desowin: It's a wiki page. |
21:58:49 | w1ll14m | dewdude: whoops.... my mistake.... http://rockbox.schoorl.nu/cpu_freq_60-90-v3.patch |
21:58:54 | Music_Shuffle | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
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21:58:56 | Music_Shuffle | Those? |
21:59:11 | Soap | my god - we got someone to read the manual! |
21:59:21 | Music_Shuffle | Indeed ;P |
21:59:24 | Soap | yes, those are the good instructions. |
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21:59:28 | Mikachu | last time i checked alumminum was not spelled like that |
21:59:35 | desowin | Llorean: yes, but I think it was fixed in 12198 revision |
21:59:48 | Llorean | Music_Shuffle: Your iPod is windows formatted, and has nothing else (ipodLinux) installed? |
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21:59:57 | n1s | Music_Shuffle: what does it tell you when you run ipodpatcher −−scan |
21:59:59 | Llorean | Mikachu: Aluminium? |
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22:00:10 | Llorean | desowin: Yes, and it's a wiki page. You can update it. |
22:00:18 | Mikachu | yes, i know how it's spelled, but it's wrong in the manual :) |
22:00:42 | Music_Shuffle | n1s, err, does that command need changed for CLI? |
22:00:58 | Music_Shuffle | Llorean, well, its never touched Windows actually. |
22:01:16 | Soap | but is it FAT or HFS formatted? |
22:01:18 | Music_Shuffle | I just ran it with GTKPod, never installed anything on it per se. |
22:01:19 | Music_Shuffle | FAT. |
22:01:27 | n1s | Music_Shuffle: sorry that is windows only |
22:02:02 | * | n1s should stop trying to help ipodders, since he has never actually used one... |
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22:02:21 | Mikachu | Music_Shuffle: what is the actual command you ran? |
22:02:38 | * | linuxstb came to ask that exact question, and predicts there will be a 1 at the end... |
22:02:55 | Music_Shuffle | Mikachu, ./ipodpatcher N -r bootpartition.bin (Mac OS X/Unix) |
22:02:58 | Music_Shuffle | that one >.> |
22:03:09 | Mikachu | Music_Shuffle: no, what did you type in your terminal? |
22:03:18 | desowin | Llorean: so I need 'upgrade' on my wiki account (TomaszMon) |
22:03:25 | Music_Shuffle | ./ipodpatcher /dev/sdb2 -r bootpartition.bin |
22:03:33 | Mikachu | linuxstb: close, but no cigar |
22:03:36 | Music_Shuffle | Like...that? |
22:03:40 | Mikachu | Music_Shuffle: lose the 2 |
22:03:41 | Llorean | Music_Shuffle: /sdb2 is a partition, rather than a drive. |
22:03:59 | Music_Shuffle | O_O |
22:04:29 | Llorean | desowin: Done. |
22:04:30 | desowin | Music_Shuffle: /dev/sdb is drive |
22:04:57 | linuxstb | Music_Shuffle: You're not the first person to do that, so I'm wondering what in the instructions made you do it? Did you use the −−scan option with ipodpatcher? |
22:05:01 | Music_Shuffle | I never knew that the 2 was for a partition. |
22:05:14 | Music_Shuffle | linuxstb, neg, that's the windows one |
22:05:25 | Music_Shuffle | but the *Instructions say to go with what mount tells you |
22:05:30 | Music_Shuffle | and...mount lists it with the 2 |
22:05:43 | Music_Shuffle | *Nix instructions* |
22:06:11 | linuxstb | The manual says that? |
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22:06:19 | Music_Shuffle | Yeah |
22:06:35 | Music_Shuffle | Well, really it just says it for OSX users |
22:06:41 | Llorean | linuxstb: Apparently it does, at least the HTML/website one |
22:06:55 | * | Llorean goes to check the PDF |
22:07:05 | Music_Shuffle | but because that step, unlike every other one, doesn't list a *Nix equivalent, but the others all just go with OSX...its sorta natural to just follow it there too. |
22:07:37 | Llorean | linuxstb: −−scan works on all OSes right? |
22:08:26 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes. |
22:08:40 | Llorean | linuxstb: I'll fix the manual then |
22:08:59 | amiconn | linuxstb: Btw, couldn't ipodpatcher just use the result of −−scan for patching? |
22:09:09 | linuxstb | Although on the Mac, I'm pretty sure you need to unmount the partition - meaning the scan isn't that useful. |
22:09:10 | amiconn | Would save one (obviously error prone) step |
22:09:29 | Llorean | linuxstb: I'll just edit it so that it says "Windows/Linux" then for using −−scan |
22:09:48 | amiconn | Of course it should ask first (or do nothing at all) if it finds more than one ipod |
22:10:22 | linuxstb | I'm reluctant to do that, but ipodpatcher has probably proven itself reliable enough. I was thinking of also embedding the bootloaders... |
22:10:28 | amiconn | User which connect multiple ipods *and* use ipodpatcher probably know what they are doing |
22:12:17 | amiconn | Perhaps just automate -a; users using -wf with a bootloader (like me) should also know what they are doing |
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22:14:31 | linuxstb | Or maybe just a new "install" option which will install the embedded bootloader. |
22:15:48 | GodEater | nice idea |
22:17:10 | Llorean | I like that. |
22:17:33 | linuxstb | But I think automating -a would be useful as well. |
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22:18:49 | linuxstb | But there's still the problem with loading the apple firmware on the 4g/mini/mini2g to fix... |
22:19:55 | GodEater | your todo list just keeps growing huh ? :) |
22:20:40 | linuxstb | What are you up to nowadays? Now the 80GB problem has been identified... |
22:21:09 | GodEater | well I had a look at fixing the fat driver, but quickly decided that's a job for one person, and LinusN is more talented than me :) |
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22:21:21 | GodEater | otherwise not a lot |
22:21:36 | GodEater | handing out helpful(?) advice in the forums |
22:21:51 | Music_Shuffle | Another fairly quick question...how am I adding music? >.> |
22:21:58 | Llorean | linuxstb: Have you identified the 4g/mini/mini2g problem? |
22:22:13 | GodEater | yeah, if you have, I don't mind trying to mend ipodpatcher |
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22:22:40 | Llorean | linuxstb: Or is it a case of "someone needs to prod at things until they figure out where it's broken, or compare two bootpartition.bins side by side for discrepancies"? |
22:22:41 | linuxstb | Llorean: No. |
22:23:24 | preglow | jhMikeS: got a patch for me? |
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22:23:37 | * | jhMikeS notices recording settings sticking up in the status bar |
22:23:43 | jhMikeS | preglow: I'll make one |
22:23:55 | linuxstb | It seems there are two problems though - 1) The recent bootloaders don't work, even with the old ipod_fw install method; and 2) ipodpatcher breaks loading the OF when installing even the old bootloader. |
22:25:06 | GodEater | do we suspect that's a COP issue ? |
22:25:06 | Llorean | linuxstb: How many people have tried old bootloader / new patcher and vice versa? |
22:25:06 | preglow | linuxstb: btw, how does retailos behave in the face of a heavily shrinked bootpart? |
22:25:11 | preglow | shrunk |
22:25:30 | linuxstb | Music_Shuffle: You can just copy the files to your ipod's FAT32 partition and play them in the Rockbox file browser, or sync using itunes or an itunes replacement, and use Rockbox's database feature. |
22:25:46 | linuxstb | preglow: It will happily hibernate and corrupt your FAT32 partition... |
22:26:00 | Llorean | Ouch |
22:26:03 | Music_Shuffle | So I could just drag the files into the /media/iPod folder? |
22:26:20 | preglow | linuxstb: hahaha |
22:26:29 | preglow | linuxstb: i had a hunch that's what would happen |
22:26:35 | Mikachu | preglow: i shrunk it and made a second fat partition in the spare space, so i don't lose everything if i leave OF on |
22:26:52 | preglow | think i'll just go the never-use-retailos route |
22:27:06 | preglow | sucks for copying, though |
22:27:07 | Mikachu | my nano is of the "emergency disk mode is painfully slow"-variety |
22:27:18 | preglow | yeah... |
22:27:31 | Mikachu | it won't hibernate when it's plugged into usb at least |
22:27:42 | preglow | i eagerly await direct usb support :) |
22:27:44 | Llorean | Well, one day we'll have a USB mode. |
22:27:49 | Llorean | And then retail OS is gone forever. |
22:28:06 | Mikachu | that usb doc someone found, what functionalities does it cover? |
22:28:20 | Mikachu | usb client mode, usb host mode, or just telling if usb is connected? |
22:28:28 | linuxstb | I think it's just the datasheet, rather than the high-level stuff. |
22:28:41 | Llorean | Yeah, we still need a USB stack on Rockbox too. |
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22:28:55 | linuxstb | But I think it covers all the features of the hardware - host, device, OTG or whatever there is. |
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22:29:12 | Mikachu | it wouldn't be crazy to make usb mode a plugin maybe? (and launch it automatically on insertion) |
22:29:27 | Llorean | Is there any need to do that? |
22:29:30 | linuxstb | I think we're a long way from making that choice... |
22:29:37 | Mikachu | i just realized that too :) |
22:29:45 | Mikachu | my thoughts just raced ahead for a moment |
22:29:49 | jhMikeS | preglow: http://www.pastebin.ca/341789 |
22:29:52 | preglow | linuxstb: don't we have all the info we need, though? i think someone even mentioned a linux driver |
22:30:24 | Mikachu | it would be neat if you could connect various things to the ipod, usb-irda, cameras, etc :)</wishful thinking> |
22:31:26 | preglow | neat indeed, but i really just want to be rid of retailos |
22:31:30 | Llorean | Mikachu: Now, plugins that can make use of a USB-Host connection would be neat. |
22:31:50 | preglow | omfg |
22:31:53 | Llorean | Such as a limited filebrowser that lets you select a bunch of files, and then click "Copy" and copy them to the iPod, or whatnot. Mass transfers, etc. |
22:32:03 | preglow | now, if i could connect my midi keyboard to a rockbox device via usb |
22:32:06 | preglow | then i would implode |
22:32:08 | Llorean | Hahaha |
22:32:10 | Mikachu | yeah, heh |
22:32:13 | jhMikeS | preglow: it stripped the last line feed so just add that |
22:32:19 | Mikachu | the zune can lick its ass then |
22:32:30 | Mikachu | er, or whatever you say in english |
22:32:32 | jhMikeS | preglow: That one's been bouncing around in my head too :) |
22:33:22 | Mikachu | also just to clarify, when i said usb mode earlier i meant the client mode for copying files to the pc (or another rockbox in host mode for that matter) |
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22:34:00 | preglow | jhMikeS: yes, if that happens, i can promise you some mad synthesis code being commited, heh |
22:34:17 | preglow | with filters, envelopes, lfos and reverbs aplenty |
22:34:41 | Mikachu | but it's not enough to make you write the usb code? :) |
22:34:41 | preglow | testing the patch now |
22:34:46 | jhMikeS | preglow: well, I figured if I made a synth that it would be cool to use it with a keyboard |
22:34:46 | preglow | Mikachu: hell no |
22:34:58 | preglow | looking forward to hearing a clickfree resampler now... |
22:35:13 | Mikachu | my midi keyboard only has a midi connection, are there gadgets that convert to usb? |
22:35:23 | preglow | hmm, i wouldn't know |
22:35:24 | Mikachu | just curious |
22:35:31 | jhMikeS | there is one rub...199.9% on an mp3 version 1 file...not suprising there might be one here or there for downsampling |
22:35:32 | preglow | all newer midi keyboards do have usb, though |
22:35:42 | Mikachu | i'm unlikely to lug my midi keyboard anywhere away from my computer though |
22:36:26 | preglow | jhMikeS: i don't get what you're saying |
22:37:06 | Llorean | bluebrother: I think #5744 is unfortunately two patches on one tracker task. |
22:37:18 | jhMikeS | preglow: there's that one setting that still has clicks but I don't think it's from improper sizes any longer...could remedy that maybe |
22:38:01 | jhMikeS | only on mp3 version 1 44.1kHz |
22:38:20 | jhMikeS | all upsampling is fine |
22:38:25 | Mikachu | what is "version 1" mp3? |
22:38:47 | jhMikeS | Mikachu: anything with sample rates of 32000, 44100, or 48000 |
22:38:52 | Mikachu | ah |
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22:39:18 | Mikachu | i have some 48kHz from music videos and such |
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22:39:50 | preglow | jhMikeS: well, that does point to the problem still not being quite gone, yes |
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22:40:06 | jhMikeS | preglow: don't know if you want to look at the pcmbuf_insert calls and see if I goofed the change anywhere |
22:40:48 | preglow | 199.9% clicks like mad now |
22:40:50 | preglow | it didn't before |
22:41:27 | preglow | hm, at least i can't remember downsampling ever clicking |
22:41:29 | jhMikeS | I was gonna take a look at that too |
22:41:45 | jhMikeS | preglow: I tested with cvs and a 1kHz tone and it does |
22:41:58 | preglow | NOW, IF THE SIM COULD DROP THE CRASHING |
22:42:04 | jhMikeS | svn rather |
22:42:05 | preglow | this would be slightly easier to test |
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22:42:49 | Llorean | I keep expecting someone to get so fed up with the sim they actually fix it. |
22:42:56 | Llorean | Maybe we should have a pool on who'll do it. :-P |
22:43:11 | jhMikeS | is it just the 64bit sim or all of them? |
22:43:39 | preglow | Llorean: gdb can't tell me where the bloody crash is |
22:43:51 | bluebrother | Llorean, just read your comment. Sounds reasonable to me |
22:44:04 | preglow | which makes the effort required bigger than i can be bothered to set about with right now |
22:44:17 | Llorean | bluebrother: I personally am of the opinion that one part is a good feature, and the other is fluff. |
22:44:20 | jhMikeS | ok, never mind dumb question I should be on the up and up on ;P |
22:44:27 | preglow | jhMikeS: i can't make anything other than near-200% click, though |
22:44:37 | preglow | jhMikeS: just the 64 bit as far as i know, but hey |
22:44:40 | preglow | that's all i have to test with |
22:44:50 | jhMikeS | preglow: Me neither and only for the mp3 |
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22:46:09 | preglow | jhMikeS: ogg here |
22:46:13 | preglow | jhMikeS: for anything, as a matter of fact |
22:46:45 | bluebrother | I'm not sure about the car mode ... that's intended for use in a car, and in that you will have a charger only device |
22:46:56 | jhMikeS | really? Only mp3 for me, never tried ogg |
22:46:57 | preglow | delay that.. |
22:47:01 | preglow | ogg does it, mp3 does it |
22:47:02 | preglow | flac doesn't |
22:47:12 | Mikachu | i think the word is belay |
22:47:16 | bluebrother | i.e. nothing that could trigger usb mode as we now can distinguish between usb and wall charger on pp targets |
22:47:20 | Llorean | bluebrother: But only PortalPlayer properly detect chargers vs. normal USB, right? |
22:47:40 | bluebrother | don't know about h300 and archos |
22:47:43 | preglow | SDAH |
22:47:45 | preglow | GRRH |
22:47:48 | preglow | x bloody rebooted |
22:47:52 | Llorean | bluebrother: The Ondio, Gigabeat, and H300 can charge from USB, but I'm not sure if they can detect or not |
22:48:10 | Llorean | bluebrother: Well, Ondio is powered by USB, not charged, I believe |
22:48:16 | jhMikeS | preglow: well, it rules out size silliness in the byte<>samples conversion. not sure if it's running to small values at the end of the frame or something |
22:48:56 | bluebrother | well, if it's powered by usb I guess there is some way to find out if it's usb or power only. |
22:49:00 | bluebrother | but I don't know. |
22:49:19 | Llorean | bluebrother: Well, right now, on Ondio you have to hold down a button while plugging in. |
22:49:37 | * | linuxstb pings amiconn to ask about USB charger/computer connections on the h300 and ondio... |
22:49:40 | bluebrother | when we are able to distinguish between usb and power only I don't think something like special handling is needed |
22:50:03 | preglow | mpc also clicks |
22:50:17 | preglow | flac is interleaved, right? |
22:50:19 | Llorean | bluebrother: Yeah, if we can distinguish on all targets, then no special handling should be needed. |
22:50:22 | jhMikeS | preglow: no |
22:50:27 | Llorean | bluebrother: But that assumes that every target *can* distinguish. |
22:50:48 | Llorean | Just tested, the Gigabeat at least does not at this time. Probably nobody's tried yet though |
22:50:53 | jhMikeS | preglow: are the frame sizes among those related? |
22:50:59 | bluebrother | right. |
22:51:17 | linuxstb | Does the gigabeat come with a "real" charger as well? |
22:51:23 | bluebrother | if it's just not implemented we should just keep the current way |
22:51:38 | Llorean | linuxstb: Yes |
22:51:49 | bluebrother | if there is absolutely no way of distinguishing, then it might be an option. |
22:51:57 | Llorean | linuxstb: The gigabeat has a normal DC charger, and can charge over USB if you hold down Menu while plugging in. |
22:52:07 | linuxstb | But I don't think that's the issue - the people who seem to want this patch haven't mentioned a wall charger at all afaics. |
22:52:14 | preglow | jhMikeS: well, so long, wavpack, flac and wav does not click here |
22:52:17 | preglow | jhMikeS: ogg, mp3, mpc does |
22:52:31 | preglow | jhMikeS: frame sizes are related in the last two, not so with ogg |
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22:52:58 | Llorean | linuxstb: So far, the only topic of discussion is yet another case of "Why do we have crossfeed, which I don't use, but not this!" |
22:52:59 | jhMikeS | aiff was fine too but that's just wav again |
22:53:25 | preglow | jhMikeS: ok, i could have sworn you said flac was interleaved yesterday |
22:53:29 | preglow | but i know pretty well myself that it's not |
22:53:35 | pixelma | Llorean: the Ondio doesn't charge via USB |
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22:53:55 | jhMikeS | preglow: I remember you telling me wavpack was noninterleaved yesterday...hehe |
22:54:01 | Llorean | pixelma: It's powered by USB, right? Not charge. |
22:54:11 | pixelma | exactly |
22:55:13 | preglow | jhMikeS: wavpack is interleaved |
22:55:22 | Llorean | pixelma: I corrected myself to say that, or tried to. :) |
22:55:36 | jhMikeS | yes, I of course saw that :) |
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22:55:50 | pixelma | yes... I read that a bit later :P |
22:55:55 | preglow | david bryant was the guy who did not want me to remove interleaved support, heh |
22:55:57 | Llorean | One day I want to sit down and play with every single Rockbox target just so I can slightly familiarize myself with them |
22:55:59 | jhMikeS | makes sense if you want a wave file back |
22:56:25 | preglow | jhMikeS: well, i've fixed it, i think |
22:56:52 | jhMikeS | the 199.9%? |
22:56:53 | preglow | i had a hunch that would bite us sooner or later :) |
22:57:02 | preglow | jhMikeS: yes, just testing a bit more |
22:57:40 | preglow | jhMikeS: yeah, as far as i can tell, i've fixed it |
22:58:16 | jhMikeS | what'd you do? I hadn't gotten to it yet and have no clue. |
22:58:52 | preglow | jhMikeS: in dsp_input_count(), you need to add the current phase to the delta before multiplying by count in the else case |
22:59:06 | preglow | jhMikeS: or else the answer might be off by one sample if the current pos is really close to being 1 |
22:59:36 | preglow | no wait, that makes no sense |
22:59:55 | preglow | it did fix the clicking, but it makes no sense |
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23:00:34 | jhMikeS | With the step being >= 0x10000 in the numerator in both cases, nothing should return 0 |
23:01:05 | jhMikeS | that wasn't quite right :P |
23:01:38 | preglow | jhMikeS: anyway, you need to add the delta after multiplying, but before shifting |
23:01:43 | preglow | jhMikeS: THAT makes sense, and also fixed the clicking |
23:01:50 | preglow | add the PHASE, not the delta |
23:01:59 | jhMikeS | right |
23:02:06 | preglow | my brain hates making sense |
23:02:32 | preglow | jhMikeS: how the current phase figures into the < NATIVE_FREQ case, i don't know |
23:02:38 | jhMikeS | figuring the main reason for the whole bug hated making sense |
23:03:16 | jhMikeS | I don't see that it should for upsampling |
23:03:51 | preglow | jhMikeS: but yes, that does make sense for the "else" case, doesn't it? you multiply count by delta to find out how many samples are spat out, but you also need to add in current phase in case we're already pretty close to spitting out a sample |
23:04:33 | preglow | please make playback.c not need dsp_input/output_count :) |
23:05:11 | jhMikeS | hrm, it needs at least one to allocate some pcm buffer space |
23:05:26 | preglow | it seems returning too much doesn't matter |
23:05:29 | preglow | returning too little does |
23:06:23 | jhMikeS | well, can't have it overflowing the resampling buffer :) |
23:06:43 | jhMikeS | but it seems downsampling needs the finer tuning |
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23:07:53 | jhMikeS | so adding phase in the "else" case before the shift makes it all nice and better? |
23:09:42 | preglow | well, yes |
23:09:52 | preglow | it 1. is logical, 2. removes the clicking |
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23:10:23 | preglow | try it yourself to see if it declicks whatever you found that did click |
23:10:25 | jhMikeS | hmmm...nice, and yeah that makes sense and should be safe |
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23:13:46 | jhMikeS | now 199.5-199.8 click |
23:13:58 | preglow | woo... |
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23:14:30 | preglow | not here, though |
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23:14:51 | jhMikeS | is this what you did: |
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23:14:51 | jhMikeS | count = (int)(((unsigned long)count * |
23:14:51 | jhMikeS | resample_data[current_codec].delta + |
23:14:51 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK jhMikeS |
23:14:51 | jhMikeS | resample_data[current_codec].phase) >> 16); |
23:15:21 | sam999 | can i get some help with installing |
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23:15:42 | sam999 | i have a 5g ipod video 30 u2 edition |
23:15:58 | sam999 | i dled the newest daily build |
23:16:00 | preglow | count = (int)((((unsigned long)count * |
23:16:00 | preglow | resample_data[current_codec].delta) + |
23:16:00 | preglow | resample_data[current_codec].phase) >> 16); |
23:16:11 | sam999 | i extracted to the ipod main directory |
23:16:26 | preglow | which does differ in one key point :) |
23:16:41 | sam999 | i made a new folder in C: |
23:16:46 | sam999 | c:\rockbox |
23:16:51 | sam999 | i dled the two files |
23:17:01 | sam999 | did |
23:17:02 | sam999 | ipodpatcher −−scan |
23:17:04 | sam999 | now |
23:17:12 | sam999 | im on windows |
23:17:21 | sam999 | diskutil unmount /dev/disk1s2 |
23:17:24 | sam999 | wasnt wrking |
23:17:29 | sam999 | diskutil unmount /dev/disk1s3* |
23:17:45 | Llorean | sam999: The guide shouldn't tell you to do that in windows... |
23:17:58 | sam999 | and thats correct |
23:18:05 | sam999 | reading it said mac only |
23:18:06 | sam999 | xD |
23:18:22 | jhMikeS | preglow: which is? lest I'm missing something but multiply has higher precedence than add. will try it though :) |
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23:18:48 | sam999 | Llorean, but it does say |
23:18:49 | sam999 | When ipodpatcher finds your Ipod, remember the number it displays after the words “disk device”- this will be the number you use to access your Ipod in the following steps. So, for example, if ipodpatcher displays “disk device 1” you will use the number 1 in the commands described below. |
23:18:52 | sam999 | so |
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23:19:01 | sam999 | do i disreguard that |
23:19:07 | Llorean | No... |
23:19:15 | sam999 | ok |
23:19:21 | Llorean | It tells you that's for windows users. |
23:19:29 | preglow | jhMikeS: of course you're right, it shouldn't matter... |
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23:19:55 | preglow | unwrapping lines makes my paranthesis matching brain centre go haywire |
23:20:03 | sam999 | so the next cmd is |
23:20:04 | sam999 | ipodpatcher N -r bootpartition.bin |
23:20:11 | bospaadje | I was just reading back the discussion of about an hour ago |
23:20:29 | sam999 | and i get |
23:20:45 | bospaadje | someone mentioned writing the linux version of the manual for ipod, cause it doesn't say anything about using ipodpatcher −−scan on linux |
23:20:48 | sam999 | eroprr opening disk, the system cannot find the file |
23:20:50 | preglow | those paranthesis of mine are left there because of the idiotic first attempt |
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23:21:00 | Llorean | bospaadje: Not writing a linux version, just clarifying which of the two sets you use for linux. |
23:21:07 | Llorean | sam999: What did you use for N? |
23:21:10 | bospaadje | someone else then said that ipodpatcher −−scan should work |
23:21:16 | bospaadje | it doesn't, at least not for me |
23:21:22 | bospaadje | (i'm on linux) |
23:21:22 | Llorean | bospaadje: Are you using the newest official version? |
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23:21:35 | bospaadje | I installed last tuesday |
23:21:39 | jhMikeS | preglow: no difference here...my 1kHz sine wav mp3 still hates it |
23:21:47 | bospaadje | I'll try the new one |
23:21:47 | Llorean | bospaadje: What does −−scan do when you have a clean iPod attached? |
23:22:00 | sam999 | see its little things like that where my ADD really kills me, thanks Llorean |
23:22:09 | bospaadje | it didn't work last tuesday, when i didn't have rockbox installed yet, either |
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23:22:25 | Llorean | bospaadje: That doesn't answer my question. "Didn't work" doesn't tell me what it said. |
23:23:02 | bospaadje | it says "no ipods found" |
23:23:14 | jhMikeS | suppose I'll go to dumping the dsp output directly to disk like I did before |
23:23:22 | Llorean | bospaadje: What type of iPod was it? |
23:23:29 | bospaadje | ipod nano 1st gen |
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23:23:48 | Llorean | bospaadje: Odd, if nothing but the Apple firmware is on it, it should work fine. |
23:24:03 | Llorean | bospaadje: Talk to linuxstb about it when he's around. |
23:24:08 | sam999 | Llorean, thanks, that was the little help i needed |
23:24:20 | linuxstb | bospaadje: Does typing the command "ipodpatcher /dev/sdX" show something? (where sdX is your ipod) |
23:24:33 | bospaadje | what does that command do? |
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23:24:44 | linuxstb | It just shows information about that device. |
23:25:00 | preglow | jhMikeS: the sim already can do that |
23:25:01 | bospaadje | hmm i think i know what the problem is |
23:25:04 | preglow | −−debug-audio or something |
23:25:22 | bospaadje | ok - it's permissions |
23:25:29 | bospaadje | not ipodpatchers fault |
23:25:41 | bospaadje | but it should be mentioned in the manual |
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23:26:20 | bospaadje | if you don't have permission to /dev/sdX (sdX being your ipod), it just shows "no ipods found" |
23:26:23 | jhMikeS | preglow: don't like to use the sim always if any bitwise behavior varies between the device and an Intel cpu |
23:26:37 | bospaadje | (when you run ipodpatcher −−scan) |
23:27:01 | bospaadje | I ran it as root, then it works fine |
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23:28:57 | bospaadje | also, if you are going to use the windows instructions there, it should probably mention you should unmount it if it mounts automagically |
23:28:59 | preglow | jhMikeS: but it really shouldn't, should it? |
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23:30:47 | jhMikeS | preglow: no, it _shouldn't_ but I'm looney, remember? :) |
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23:32:23 | preglow | hehe |
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23:33:35 | preglow | jhMikeS: anyway, i can't make my 440hz sine click |
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23:33:40 | * | jhMikeS just freaked 'cause he _thought_ he plugged the wrong adapter into the H120 :o but there's only one adapter around |
23:34:57 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: I suggest to bannish all the other adapters from your room :p |
23:35:21 | XavierGr | wrong AC adapter is the #1 natural enemy of H100s |
23:35:36 | XavierGr | tons of H100s have been bricked that way |
23:35:51 | preglow | jhMikeS: no way in hell can i make it click, what format is your sine? |
23:36:02 | jhMikeS | They're neatly away from the H120 but I still freak and think about the consequences |
23:36:15 | jhMikeS | preglow: mp3, 44100HZ, 1kHz tone |
23:36:20 | jhMikeS | 320kbps |
23:37:07 | jhMikeS | stereo too, if that should matter |
23:38:42 | preglow | right, i'll try to encode it |
23:38:59 | preglow | only every 100th attempt at mp3 playing works here, so i'll do ogg |
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23:40:07 | preglow | hmm, nothing |
23:40:45 | jhMikeS | you're using the sim? I'm listening in headphones on the device. |
23:40:52 | preglow | using the sim, yes |
23:41:04 | preglow | i guess i could try target... |
23:41:23 | preglow | i'm kind of fed up with on-target debugging, heh |
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23:43:03 | jhMikeS | brb |
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23:47:15 | amiconn | linuxstb: pong... |
23:47:47 | jhMikeS | preglwo: ok, so any difference? if there is that's repeat[G#, A, F] |
23:47:50 | preglow | jhMikeS: well, what do you know... |
23:48:12 | preglow | jhMikeS: this time it's fancy clicking, though... non-periodic |
23:48:24 | sam999 | yo |
23:48:29 | preglow | well, it is periodic, but with a longer one and several clicks in one period |
23:48:43 | sam999 | im a noob in destress |
23:48:53 | sam999 | can i get someone i can PM |
23:49:15 | jhMikeS | preglow: yes, doin' that high falutin' stuff :) |
23:49:32 | preglow | 124.8% does it too |
23:49:39 | preglow | with a reaaaaaally long period |
23:49:56 | LinusN | sam999: just ask your question here |
23:50:02 | preglow | artifact is completely different with ogg |
23:50:08 | sam999 | im gonna have like 500 |
23:50:09 | preglow | and non-existant with wav |
23:50:12 | sam999 | atm |
23:50:16 | sam999 | it froze |
23:50:29 | preglow | jhMikeS: with wav, it's spot on all the time |
23:50:31 | LinusN | sam999: start by telling us which player yuu have |
23:50:36 | sam999 | how do u reboot the ipodf again |
23:50:40 | linuxstb | amiconn: Have you tried your USB AC adapter on your other devices with USB charging? Does Rockbox correctly detect the difference? |
23:50:51 | sam999 | ipod 5g 30 gig u2 edition |
23:50:57 | Llorean | linuxstb: It doesn't with Gigabeat. |
23:51:10 | preglow | jhMikeS: definitely frame size dependent, yes, with mpeg it's really predominant |
23:51:15 | sam999 | ok i reboot it |
23:51:19 | sam999 | first off |
23:51:27 | sam999 | i dont think it like ml_pod |
23:51:54 | sam999 | now |
23:51:55 | jhMikeS | preglow: that's what I've discovered myself...but how to tweak it away...hmmm |
23:52:11 | preglow | well, i don't even know what the problem is... |
23:52:37 | amiconn | linuxstb: So far I only tried h300, but I think that it's not possible to distinguish between usb charger and "full" usb on any of the hardware-usb targets |
23:53:09 | jhMikeS | live dump time for me and see...easy to add in |
23:53:16 | sam999 | Llorean, when playing a song |
23:53:26 | sam999 | how do i get back to the main menu |
23:54:09 | sam999 | nvm |
23:54:15 | sam999 | figured that |
23:54:36 | amiconn | The bus voltage is probably the only way to detect usb on these targets. The only chip which has "insight" to the usb connection on these targets is the usb-ata (or usb-mmc, whatever) bridge |
23:54:44 | LinusN | sam999: here's something for you: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
23:54:50 | ace214 | i was about to say |
23:54:51 | sam999 | im reading |
23:55:13 | amiconn | And that bridge just has some enable pins, and either doesn't report back at all, or only reports back whether there are transfers running (Ondio) |
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23:58:56 | bricked | hi, i used ipodpatcher to load the bootloader, but I dont think i transferred the rockbox OS properly |