| 00:00:11 | funky | select + play |
| 00:00:15 | jhMikeS | argh, stupid iomega driver bluescreened XP when I plugged the DAP |
| 00:00:22 | ace214 | select and menu.... |
| 00:00:33 | bricked | linuxstv: no |
| 00:00:56 | bricked | this doesnt effect it |
| 00:01:05 | funky | select + play while rebooting |
| 00:01:05 | linuxstb | Do what funky said - hold SELECT+PLAY as it's rebooting. |
| 00:01:17 | bricked | yes |
| 00:01:20 | bricked | this doesnt effect it |
| 00:01:31 | linuxstb | Do you have the hold switch on? |
| 00:01:41 | bricked | LOL |
| 00:01:42 | bricked | yes |
| 00:01:48 | bricked | omg |
| 00:01:52 | funky | XD |
| 00:01:55 | * | funky slaps bricked |
| 00:02:08 | | Nick bricked is now known as file_not_found (i=577f468e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-3de65fff7230e923) |
| 00:02:44 | file_not_found | Error! Cant load rockbox.ipod: File not found. Press MENU+SELECT to reboot then SELECTE+PLAY for disk mode |
| 00:02:46 | file_not_found | :) |
| 00:03:14 | file_not_found | ok, now in disk mode |
| 00:04:01 | linuxstb | Which ipod do you have? |
| 00:04:04 | file_not_found | boom |
| 00:04:25 | LinusN | iBoom? :-) |
| 00:04:43 | sam999 | how do i get to the parent directory |
| 00:04:44 | file_not_found | ok, as I thought, I had unpacked rockbox-ipod4gray.zip into /media/iPod/rockbox-ipod4gray/ |
| 00:04:53 | funky | sam999: cd .. ? |
| 00:04:55 | file_not_found | linuxstb: 4g grey |
| 00:04:59 | LinusN | file_not_found: a common mistake for mac lusers |
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| 00:05:01 | file_not_found | linuxN; lol |
| 00:05:16 | file_not_found | and now rockbox is loaded |
| 00:05:54 | linuxstb | file_not_found: You may want to read the second note at the top of this page about the 4g greyscale - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
| 00:06:09 | * | bluebrother just ran sloccount on the rockbox sources |
| 00:06:38 | bluebrother | seems it's worth quite a bit of money ;-) |
| 00:06:41 | * | n1s googles sloccount |
| 00:07:34 | bluebrother | output: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/37 |
| 00:07:52 | file_not_found | linuxstb: thanks, i was going on http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipod4gray/rockbox-buildch2.html |
| 00:08:28 | Llorean | What's in lisp? |
| 00:08:38 | * | dan_a swaps Rockbox for a large house |
| 00:08:40 | dionoea | ((((()))))))))(())()))))) |
| 00:08:44 | dionoea | ^this was lisp |
| 00:08:49 | dionoea | +in |
| 00:09:11 | LinusN | Llorean: the .emacs example files |
| 00:09:38 | bluebrother | I guess the emacs file |
| 00:09:44 | * | bluebrother was too slow |
| 00:09:47 | jhMikeS | preglow: there appears to be samples here and there of the wrong amplitude but none missing or added |
| 00:10:30 | * | w1ll14m takes a nother asprine and just found out it's time for a sleep |
| 00:10:36 | w1ll14m | sleep well guys! cya later |
| 00:10:47 | preglow | jhMikeS: probably remains of old buffers or something |
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| 00:14:05 | DataGhost | heh linuxstb |
| 00:14:35 | DataGhost | that bunch'o'n00bs on the ipl forums who wrote a 'guide' (which is complete crap) and managed to fill over 50 pages with stupid questions ans stupid answers... |
| 00:14:36 | sam999 | does it not wrk correctly with ml_pod |
| 00:15:00 | DataGhost | are now blaming ipodloader for the 'bug that the apple os doesnt save its settings anymore' |
| 00:15:04 | DataGhost | :') |
| 00:15:11 | n1s | sam999: are you using the database |
| 00:15:18 | sam999 | cas the root m3u is just like |
| 00:15:18 | DataGhost | ipodpatcher* |
| 00:16:11 | sam999 | ./iPod_Control/Music/F00/ml_ipod00057.mp3 |
| 00:16:24 | sam999 | ./iPod_Control/Music/F00/ml_ipod00817.mp3 |
| 00:16:52 | n1s | sam999: yes, that is the way it has to be done if the OF is going to see your music |
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| 00:17:30 | sam999 | should i not use ml_pod |
| 00:18:00 | linuxstb | DataGhost: I'll look forward to the bug-fixing patch from them then. |
| 00:18:07 | n1s | sam999: you can but it will use those garbeled filenames and you could use the database in rockbox to browse by tags |
| 00:18:09 | DataGhost | :D |
| 00:18:19 | DataGhost | it took them a week to actually get the kernel compiled |
| 00:18:26 | DataGhost | and another few days to apply 'my patch' |
| 00:18:32 | DataGhost | that one with the 10 bytes changed |
| 00:18:51 | sam999 | n1s how would i set to browse by tags |
| 00:19:08 | n1s | sam999: look in the manual for "Database" |
| 00:19:41 | n1s | meh, just go here: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-340004.2 |
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| 00:29:18 | Llorean | Woo! My commit for the manual looks like it wasn't horrible. |
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| 00:29:30 | * | Llorean is always going to be worried about doing something stupid with line endings from now until forever. |
| 00:30:18 | preglow | heh |
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| 00:35:19 | amiconn | Llorean: Perhaps put everything on one single line? ;) |
| 00:35:43 | Llorean | amiconn: Ooh, yes, a single line means I can't fail! |
| 00:37:54 | MonkeyTamer | it seems like stability has improved in the last few days |
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| 00:39:25 | file_not_found | linuxstb: thanks for the help! |
| 00:39:30 | file_not_found | life saver! :) |
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| 00:42:02 | MonkeyTamer | not a single crash + much improved battery life for me on the ipod color |
| 00:42:39 | linuxstb | Are you using any patches? |
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| 00:43:43 | funky | long since I dont upgrade my rockbox, have been done some improvement regarding to battery consumption ? |
| 00:44:05 | TrueJournals | funky: what kind of player do you have? |
| 00:44:14 | funky | ipod 5gen |
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| 00:44:22 | webguest89 | hello, I am a new to Rockbox and I followed the manual to the key for my iPod 30 GB Video, but it doesnt add the bootloader at step 8, plz help |
| 00:44:23 | MonkeyTamer | koc 8 only |
| 00:44:48 | linuxstb | webguest89: What is the exact command you are typing? |
| 00:45:05 | linuxstb | And what is the error from ipodpatcher? |
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| 00:45:11 | funky | TrueJournals: any idea? |
| 00:45:26 | TrueJournals | funky: I'm not quite sure |
| 00:45:27 | MonkeyTamer | for some reason it's taking me like 2 mins per line I enter |
| 00:45:36 | webguest89 | directory\ipodpatcher 1 -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod and error is model from input file does not match ipod |
| 00:45:38 | webguest89 | but ut does |
| 00:46:02 | TrueJournals | funky: I don't think so... but I could be wrong... things are being done constantly... plus I really don't watch the iPod port because I have an iRiver H10 :-\ |
| 00:46:18 | funky | oki, thanks anyway |
| 00:47:15 | funky | TrueJournals: what about y our iriver? is the battery duration so long as with the original firm? |
| 00:47:21 | funky | they have done any improvement? |
| 00:48:01 | Llorean | funky: iPods and the H10 still have poor battery life. |
| 00:48:01 | dan_a | webguest89: What does ipodpatcher −−scan tell you that your ipod is? |
| 00:48:08 | webguest89 | number 1 |
| 00:48:17 | TrueJournals | funky: I'm not really sure because I charge mine all the time. I've heard reports of I think 6 hours max though... |
| 00:48:34 | funky | :( |
| 00:48:39 | dan_a | webguest89: I mean, what type of iPod? |
| 00:48:53 | webguest89 | Video then in () aka 5g |
| 00:48:54 | funky | I think devels should focus a bit more in this issue |
| 00:49:18 | linuxstb | webguest89: What's the _exact_ error message from ipodpatcher? |
| 00:49:28 | MonkeyTamer | the ipod seems to be getting slightly better for the ipod 4g at least, b/c I haven't needed to disable frequency scaling lately |
| 00:49:54 | funky | I love rockbox, but I love my ipod's battery, I know it has a limited life cycle, so Im not using rockbox atm for that reason |
| 00:50:10 | funky | because I dont want to waste those cycles earlier than normal |
| 00:50:45 | webguest89 | hang on let me get to it |
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| 00:52:07 | webguest89 | 2 lines of errors |
| 00:52:55 | webguest89 | [ERR] Model name in input file < /-> doesn't match ipod model <ipvd> |
| 00:53:14 | webguest89 | [ERR] −−add-bootloader failed. |
| 00:53:34 | linuxstb | Sounds like your download failed, and you've saved an HTML error page instead of the bootloader... |
| 00:53:46 | linuxstb | Open up bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod in a text editor.... |
| 00:54:04 | linuxstb | Or just download it again. |
| 00:54:18 | webguest89 | will notepad work |
| 00:54:21 | Llorean | funky: Do you know how to solve the battery life problem? |
| 00:54:29 | linuxstb | webguest89: Yes. |
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| 00:54:30 | funky | Llorean: no |
| 00:54:44 | Llorean | funky: Do you have any idea what devs could 'focus' on to improve it? |
| 00:54:57 | funky | Llorean: no, sorry I cant help |
| 00:55:24 | Llorean | funky: Saying "Devs should focus on this" is all well and good, but there's nothing they can really do. The chip is entirely undocumented, so we have no clue what's causing the problem, and it'll frankly be luck when we figure it out, unless something new comes to light. |
| 00:55:29 | webguest89 | i opend it and its all forgien lookind |
| 00:55:34 | webguest89 | looking** |
| 00:55:34 | funky | but I read that they prefered to focus on some other issues before this |
| 00:55:50 | Llorean | funky: Did a *developer* actually tell you that? |
| 00:55:52 | funky | Llorean: I know that Im not being constructive at all |
| 00:55:59 | funky | Llorean: I read it |
| 00:56:06 | linuxstb | webguest89: Maybe I'm wrong, but it does look like your bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod file is corrupted in some way. Try downloading it again. |
| 00:56:16 | Llorean | funky: Yes, but "read it" doesn't mean anything. Who wrote it? |
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| 00:56:30 | webguest89 | i did, from the rockbox site, and it game me the same error |
| 00:56:40 | webguest89 | is there another way to get the same file |
| 00:56:49 | funky | I read at the page |
| 00:57:05 | funky | read it* |
| 00:57:13 | funky | long time ago |
| 00:57:28 | Llorean | funky: What "page" is "the page"? |
| 00:57:32 | linuxstb | webguest89: From this link ?http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod |
| 00:57:32 | funky | I just think the battery life issue should be prioritary |
| 00:57:41 | funky | www.rockbox.org |
| 00:57:55 | Llorean | funky: i guarantee you 100% it never said "Battery life is not a priority" on the front page of the site. |
| 00:58:14 | dan_a | funky: There are two issues. One is that developers are doing this for fun, and if they don't find hunting down the battery problem fun, they won't do it. The other issue is that battery life will be helped by doing other things, like making the codecs work faster. |
| 00:58:26 | Llorean | funky: But until someone can actually identify _what_ the issue is, there's nothing that can be *made* into a priority. There IS no task to work on. |
| 00:58:51 | webguest89 | same error |
| 00:59:02 | funky | dan_a: I know I know, Im not asking anything |
| 00:59:05 | webguest89 | this is very frustrating lol |
| 00:59:48 | webguest89 | do you know of another way to put rockbox themes on an ipod |
| 00:59:53 | linuxstb | webguest89: Try this zip file - http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloaders.zip - and then copy the bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod file from it. |
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| 01:01:18 | webguest89 | same error |
| 01:01:19 | webguest89 | again |
| 01:01:44 | funky | dont get me wrong, Im not critizing anyone |
| 01:01:45 | dan_a | funky: I know that you're not, it is just an explanation of *why* the devs don't seem to focus on the battery problem. It is important, though, nobody denies that |
| 01:03:03 | funky | I think that I read that devs still hadnt started working on battery issue, <- could that be right ? |
| 01:03:12 | JdGordon | grrr... another article with wrong info about rockbox! |
| 01:03:14 | funky | I didnt know why, now its a bit clear |
| 01:03:36 | MonkeyTamer | who wrote it this time? |
| 01:03:48 | JdGordon | since when do you change languages by moving the .ng into .rockbox/ |
| 01:03:54 | linuxstb | webguest89: I've just installed that bootloader on my 5g, it works fine. So I'm not sure what to suggest. If you type "dir" in command prompt, how big does it say the bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod file is? |
| 01:03:58 | JdGordon | http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/76/Rockbox_iPod_MP3_Player_Firmware.pdf |
| 01:04:08 | webguest89 | 60 kb |
| 01:04:12 | Llorean | JdGordon: I've already contacted them about that. |
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| 01:04:35 | Llorean | JdGordon: And they're publishing a letter from me next month addressing some of the more significant errors, and I think pointing people at the manual. |
| 01:04:43 | Llorean | Or so they told me. |
| 01:04:55 | JdGordon | :) |
| 01:05:21 | JdGordon | did you tell them off about using the jclix theme in the screenshots? |
| 01:05:36 | Llorean | I mentioned that the screenshots require a modified version, I believe |
| 01:05:51 | Llorean | Mainly I told them off about the bits saying that Rockbox removes pieces of the original firmware AND that it modifies flash on the iPods. |
| 01:06:02 | linuxstb | rockbox_default on the 5g wasn't good enough for them? :) |
| 01:06:03 | webguest89 | linuxstb: is it possible if you can email me the exact steps you took to install it |
| 01:06:17 | JdGordon | we really do need a Media link on the web site |
| 01:06:42 | linuxstb | I just typed "ipodpatcher −−scan" followed by "ipodpatcher /dev/sdg -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod" (I'm on Linux). |
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| 01:06:58 | webguest89 | im on windows |
| 01:07:06 | drpolish | can anyone help me with mounting a gigabeat S on mac OS X ? |
| 01:07:14 | drpolish | i cant quite find where it is in /dev |
| 01:07:19 | linuxstb | The commands are identical, but instead of "/dev/sdg", you use a number. |
| 01:07:45 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:07:51 | linuxstb | drpolish: That's very off-topic for #rockbox... |
| 01:07:53 | webguest89 | did you have the rockbox file already on your ipod |
| 01:08:56 | webguest89 | are there any window users here that had trouble adding the bootloader for a 5g video |
| 01:09:01 | funky | sleep time |
| 01:09:02 | funky | nn |
| 01:09:02 | n1s | webguest89: you should have it on yopur computer, in the directory where you run ipodpatcher from |
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| 01:09:22 | n1s | the bootloader file that is... |
| 01:10:38 | MonkeyTamer | everything should be in the same directory, and ensure you have the correct bootloader |
| 01:10:54 | webguest89 | the bootloader is in the same directory but the problem occurs in the cmd prompt when i try to add it |
| 01:11:17 | webguest89 | i have the correct bootloader, but the err says that it doesnt match |
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| 01:11:42 | MonkeyTamer | it should be: ipodpatcher <n> -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod |
| 01:11:55 | webguest89 | what firmware does your 5g video with rockbox have |
| 01:11:57 | MonkeyTamer | is that what you're typing? |
| 01:12:07 | webguest89 | yes |
| 01:12:14 | webguest89 | i am typing that exactly |
| 01:12:25 | MonkeyTamer | and you're using the latest bootloader as well as ipodpatcher? |
| 01:12:39 | webguest89 | yes |
| 01:12:45 | n1s | and no < or > right? |
| 01:12:57 | webguest89 | im used the links in the manual for the 2 files |
| 01:13:37 | MonkeyTamer | did you copy and paste the commands? |
| 01:13:53 | MonkeyTamer | that way you are certain you're not just making a typo? |
| 01:14:27 | webguest89 | you cant paste in cmd prompt |
| 01:14:33 | MonkeyTamer | yes you can |
| 01:14:39 | webguest89 | but i know ther is no typo |
| 01:14:57 | webguest89 | when i paste is does ^V |
| 01:15:05 | linuxstb | Earlier you said you typed "directory\ipodpatcher 1 -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod" - what is the "directory\" bit at the start? |
| 01:15:16 | webguest89 | C: |
| 01:15:36 | webguest89 | C:\rockbox\ipodpatcher 1 -a bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod |
| 01:15:38 | MonkeyTamer | you right-click to paste btw |
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| 01:16:07 | n1s | webguest89: you should cd rockbox first, then run ipodpatcher |
| 01:16:16 | linuxstb | webguest89: You should do "cd \rockbox" first, and not type the "C:\rockbox" bit. |
| 01:16:20 | n1s | if you don't have the files in the root... |
| 01:16:46 | n1s | and make sure you have admin rights |
| 01:16:54 | linuxstb | You probably have multiple copies of bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod on your PC, and your telling ipodpatcher to use the wrong one. |
| 01:17:01 | MonkeyTamer | technically the way webguest is doing it would work; I just tried it, but make sure it's in the right folder |
| 01:17:06 | webguest89 | i have my account as admin |
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| 01:17:24 | linuxstb | Where did you save bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod ? |
| 01:17:24 | Llorean | MonkeyTamer: Yes, but it uses bootloader-video.ipod from the folder you run the command from, not where the .exe is located. |
| 01:17:35 | webguest89 | but when i run cmd prompt, i choose run as admin, and it needs a password |
| 01:17:43 | MonkeyTamer | that's ture |
| 01:17:45 | MonkeyTamer | *true |
| 01:18:14 | webguest89 | is there a default password for Administrator |
| 01:18:52 | MonkeyTamer | um... if you never put one in there ought not to be one |
| 01:18:52 | linuxstb | webguest48: That's a different problem. I don't think the −−scan option would have worked if you didn't have administrator rights. |
| 01:19:13 | directhex | there's no password for Administrator on XP Home |
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| 01:19:20 | linuxstb | webguest48: Which directory have you been saving the bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod file to? |
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| 01:19:42 | webguest89 | to C:\rockbox |
| 01:20:05 | Llorean | directhex: By default there's not. |
| 01:20:10 | n1s | do "cd rockbox" before running ipodpatcher then |
| 01:20:20 | linuxstb | Or "cd \rockbox" |
| 01:20:47 | n1s | and as linuxstb said bfore skip the rockbox\ part in the beginning of the command you typed |
| 01:21:02 | directhex | Llorean, does he sound like he's gone to the trouble of fiddling with hidden accounts? |
| 01:21:16 | webguest89 | ok, something different happened |
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| 01:21:44 | webguest89 | YES!!!!!!!!!, it loaded to rockbox |
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| 01:21:55 | JdGordon | Llorean: what do yyou think abot my quick addition to ArticlesAboutRockbox? (just need to get Bagder to link to it on the main page now) |
| 01:21:57 | MonkeyTamer | congratulations |
| 01:22:01 | Llorean | directhex: I don't like to make assumptions. I've seen OEM computers with admin passwords set and a default User account logging in. |
| 01:22:10 | webguest89 | ok. now how do i get my songs to show |
| 01:22:22 | n1s | read the manual |
| 01:22:28 | webguest89 | kool |
| 01:22:28 | | Part [toffe] |
| 01:22:33 | n1s | especially about the database |
| 01:22:35 | webguest89 | thank you all very much |
| 01:22:45 | linuxstb | The FAQ may also give you some quick answers: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
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| 01:23:11 | * | n1s wishes the rbutil got bootloader installing functionality someday... |
| 01:23:36 | linuxstb | n1s: The source is there... |
| 01:24:10 | n1s | with my programming skills combined with my lack of ipods, i'd say that is a task for someone else ;-) |
| 01:25:00 | Llorean | JdGordon: I like my version better. :-P |
| 01:25:14 | n1s | anyway, gnight |
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| 01:25:29 | webguest89 | btw, if any1 wants to take the challenge, make a matrix green coded theme for the ipod |
| 01:25:46 | linuxstb | webguest89: Now you've installed Rockbox, nothing's stopping you... |
| 01:26:09 | webguest89 | lol, i think ill get familiar with it first be4 i tweak it |
| 01:26:10 | MonkeyTamer | except perhaps drag... |
| 01:26:19 | webguest89 | lol |
| 01:27:03 | JdGordon | Llorean: youve done one already? |
| 01:27:11 | Llorean | JdGordon: Yeah |
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| 01:27:32 | JdGordon | bah, where? |
| 01:27:46 | Llorean | JdGordon: Just refresh the page. I edited yours. |
| 01:28:42 | JdGordon | ok, yeah, thats better |
| 01:28:49 | webguest89 | it takes forever to upload an entire library of music |
| 01:29:53 | MonkeyTamer | it certainly can; luckily it's not something that needs to be done often |
| 01:30:01 | webguest89 | true |
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| 01:30:39 | TerrorByte | Hey. |
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| 01:30:48 | TerrorByte | I was wondering about something. |
| 01:31:24 | TerrorByte | "PortalPlayer users (ipods, iriver H10) should apply the kernel_on_cop_6.diff patch from FS #5755 which enables mpegplayer to run the video decoding/display thread on the second CPU core, greatly increasing the framerate." |
| 01:31:49 | MonkeyTamer | what about it? |
| 01:31:56 | TerrorByte | It says that on MpegPlayer info page. |
| 01:32:28 | TerrorByte | Is that little bit for the current MpegPlayer or before when it ran .m2v files? |
| 01:32:32 | TerrorByte | Or does it not make a difference? |
| 01:32:46 | Llorean | It's for the current one |
| 01:32:51 | Llorean | Except it's Kernel_on_cop_8.diff now |
| 01:33:46 | TerrorByte | Hmm? |
| 01:33:57 | TerrorByte | Ah. |
| 01:34:00 | TerrorByte | Why isn't it included in the build? |
| 01:34:10 | linuxstb | Read that patch tracker page. |
| 01:34:25 | TerrorByte | I am. |
| 01:34:25 | linuxstb | It's close to being included, but isn't 100% reliable. |
| 01:34:28 | TerrorByte | Didn't see anything. |
| 01:34:31 | TerrorByte | Or probably didn't understand. |
| 01:34:32 | TerrorByte | Oh. |
| 01:34:34 | TerrorByte | I see. |
| 01:34:40 | TerrorByte | That's so awesome. |
| 01:34:43 | linuxstb | e.g. it breaks recording. |
| 01:34:53 | TerrorByte | I see. |
| 01:34:56 | JdGordon | Llorean: haha, i just realised all but the rockbox.org link on that article is outdated |
| 01:35:07 | dan_a | It will be included when including it is better than not including it ;) |
| 01:35:11 | TerrorByte | *cough* Include it soon *cough* |
| 01:35:18 | TerrorByte | :) |
| 01:35:19 | MonkeyTamer | You can patch it manually with cygwin or vmware |
| 01:35:31 | Llorean | TerrorByte: When it's ready, it'll be included. |
| 01:35:33 | MonkeyTamer | if you want it now rather than later that is |
| 01:35:39 | Llorean | TerrorByte: Most patches aren't done, which is why they're still patches. |
| 01:35:59 | Llorean | This one's even a patch written by a core dev, but since it's such a major thing, we're being careful with it |
| 01:36:15 | TerrorByte | I see. |
| 01:36:34 | TerrorByte | Also, I can't patch it, I've heard it's a very long process to set up and I should wait for it to be included. |
| 01:36:40 | TerrorByte | :) |
| 01:37:11 | linuxstb | TerrorByte: Try one of the unofficial builds. I think at least senab includes it. |
| 01:37:21 | TerrorByte | Where can I find those? |
| 01:37:30 | linuxstb | The "unofficial builds" forum... |
| 01:37:57 | linuxstb | Sorry "unsupported builds". |
| 01:38:03 | TerrorByte | Found it. |
| 01:38:05 | TerrorByte | :) |
| 01:38:06 | MonkeyTamer | senab or pijulius should be fine, but senab's is more recent |
| 01:38:19 | TerrorByte | Have any of you guys tried it? |
| 01:38:40 | MonkeyTamer | I've used pijulius's before; they're usually fine |
| 01:38:53 | TerrorByte | Can't find one for the H10. |
| 01:38:58 | MonkeyTamer | no guarantee... they are unsupported after all |
| 01:39:22 | TerrorByte | I see. |
| 01:39:33 | MonkeyTamer | i'm unsure about the H10 |
| 01:39:34 | linuxstb | Maybe look at misticriver.net |
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| 01:39:56 | MonkeyTamer | misticriver has at least a few for the irivers |
| 01:40:01 | linuxstb | The unofficial iriver builds seem to all be at misticriver, the ipod builds on the Rockbox forums. |
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| 01:40:27 | jba | hey gang |
| 01:40:37 | linuxstb | And everyone and their dog has an unofficial ipod build... |
| 01:40:46 | jba | i finally got round to registering my wikiname so I can upload my X30 batter_bench |
| 01:40:58 | jba | does someone miind enabling me? My wikiname is JohnBouAntoun |
| 01:41:03 | MonkeyTamer | hahaha, true is that |
| 01:41:28 | MonkeyTamer | I actually had started making my own ipod build for the experience |
| 01:41:36 | jba | can i get an unofficial ipod build for my gigabeat x30? |
| 01:41:38 | * | jba ducks |
| 01:41:49 | * | linuxstb asks his dog |
| 01:42:10 | * | MonkeyTamer grabs the nintendo gun |
| 01:42:17 | * | jba asks his bird which ipod build it's running (no dog here) |
| 01:42:17 | Llorean | linuxstb: One of my cats is about to start rolling his own iPod build, actually. |
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| 01:42:42 | directhex | jba, if you're well behaved, you can have my gigabeat build |
| 01:42:56 | MonkeyTamer | make sure your cat reads the wiki |
| 01:43:07 | jba | directhex: i don't know you, so not sure if you're joking |
| 01:43:13 | Llorean | My cat wrote the IpodFAQ. I was just covering for him. |
| 01:43:15 | TerrorByte | Where exactly are the Rockbox builds on misticriver.net? |
| 01:43:27 | jba | hey anyone seens wibbix around these days? he sorta dissappeared after christmas |
| 01:44:06 | TerrorByte | Anyone know? |
| 01:44:22 | MonkeyTamer | looking |
| 01:44:37 | webguest89 | ok, i downloaded a theme, and my web browser kicked screwed up, so if you can read this, plz tell me how to put the theme on rockbox, or give me the link for it |
| 01:44:43 | TerrorByte | Thank you. |
| 01:44:47 | jba | so do i need to ask someone's dog to allow me to upload my battery bench? |
| 01:45:15 | MonkeyTamer | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=43014 but I don't see any for the H10 |
| 01:46:59 | TerrorByte | Oh great. |
| 01:47:05 | MonkeyTamer | I guess that's up to the dog |
| 01:47:10 | TerrorByte | Well all I can hope for is that the patch is included in the near future I guess.... |
| 01:47:24 | MonkeyTamer | vmware isn't that hard |
| 01:47:36 | MonkeyTamer | it's a day job though, i'll concede that |
| 01:48:32 | MonkeyTamer | the Wiki has great information, and once you've downloaded everything, it doesn't take too much to start to learn |
| 01:49:07 | dan_a | TerrorByte: It's (probably) not going to be this week... but I've been slowly working on it since August and I want to get it into SVN soon |
| 01:49:25 | jba | has anyone updated the vmware image to include the svn client |
| 01:49:36 | scorche | jba: i did that quite a while ago |
| 01:49:55 | TerrorByte | dan_a: Thank you very much :) |
| 01:49:57 | jba | scorche: cool dude, just curious |
| 01:50:01 | scorche | and make and a few other goodies |
| 01:50:02 | TerrorByte | I don't have much time at all for setting up vmware. |
| 01:50:05 | TerrorByte | Perhaps on the weekend. |
| 01:50:09 | jba | scorche: how goes mate? |
| 01:50:12 | TerrorByte | I have to leave for something in 10 minutes. |
| 01:50:14 | jba | what other goodies? |
| 01:50:31 | TerrorByte | Thanks for the help. |
| 01:50:33 | scorche | just general updates |
| 01:50:50 | MonkeyTamer | try it on the weekend; it's a rewarding expereince |
| 01:50:54 | jba | hmm, i just apt-get installed subversion on my setup |
| 01:51:03 | TerrorByte | I eagerly await any new information on MpegPlugin patch. |
| 01:51:06 | jba | hey scorche, so can you help me out with the wiki? |
| 01:51:11 | TerrorByte | Yeah I will MonkeyTamer. |
| 01:51:17 | TerrorByte | Later. |
| 01:51:24 | scorche | in a sec...a bit busy |
| 01:51:31 | jba | roger dodger |
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| 01:55:10 | scorche | jba: done |
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| 01:58:28 | JdGordon | does anyone know a linux program that can add and remove files from an iso without needing to recreate it? |
| 01:59:27 | Llorean | JdGordon: Can you mount an ISO and write to it? |
| 01:59:32 | * | Llorean doesn't know much about this. |
| 01:59:41 | jba | scorche: tah mate |
| 01:59:43 | jba | I'm off to lunch now |
| 01:59:43 | JdGordon | i know you can mount it, but i assume only ro? |
| 01:59:48 | Llorean | No clue here. |
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| 02:00:14 | jba | JdGordon: i thought you could loopback it in write mode? |
| 02:00:36 | dan_a | I don't think it's possible to add and remove files from an ISO without recreating it (anything that seems to do that is hiding that they are recreating it) |
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| 02:00:53 | Llorean | dan_a: Well, I'd assumed that he meant "without having to manually go through the steps of recreating it" |
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| 02:01:14 | dan_a | You could use a union mount, depending on what you're trying to acheive |
| 02:02:12 | JdGordon | bah, ok, ill just use my windows program to remake it :( |
| 02:02:17 | JdGordon | stupid bootcd |
| 02:04:05 | MonkeyTamer | gah... indeterminate forms and l'Hospital's rule... |
| 02:04:20 | Dwyloc | I don't know if its just me but it looks like the USB wall charger detection may have broken USB chargeing under windows on the ipod nano 1G |
| 02:04:56 | MonkeyTamer | are you connecting it when it's off? |
| 02:05:05 | Llorean | Dwyloc: Broken how? |
| 02:05:05 | Dwyloc | know when i hold down the menu button and connect my ipod i get windows detectiong an unknown USB device |
| 02:05:52 | MonkeyTamer | that's happened before to me too |
| 02:05:58 | MonkeyTamer | but only when the ipod was off... |
| 02:06:00 | Llorean | Dwyloc: Mine doesn't |
| 02:06:00 | Dwyloc | but I still get the normal charging icon in the file view of rockbox so it may still charge as normal |
| 02:06:43 | Dwyloc | and rebooting into disk mode still works fine if i don't hold down the menu button |
| 02:06:54 | Llorean | Dwyloc: I have a Nano 1G, and don't get the behaviour you describe |
| 02:09:31 | MonkeyTamer | interesting, it does that to me too on a 4g color |
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| 02:09:40 | MonkeyTamer | it still works |
| 02:09:50 | MonkeyTamer | it just states that the USB device is not recognized |
| 02:09:54 | Dwyloc | strange I am running Windows XP pro with SP2 and my previous CVS buiild was not showing this problem. I am useing a svn biuld from 5 Feb 01:18 |
| 02:10:28 | Dwyloc | yes thats what I am seeing as well |
| 02:11:03 | MonkeyTamer | It doesn't seem to affect anything though. |
| 02:11:19 | Dwyloc | previously it did not show up in device manager when chargeing. |
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| 02:11:59 | MonkeyTamer | is it supposed to show up as a disk when not in the recovery mode? |
| 02:12:08 | MonkeyTamer | I really don't know |
| 02:14:11 | Dwyloc | yes but its a bit worrying as the last time I plugged in a usb device and windows did not recognise and did not prompt for driver installation the usb device had been damaged. |
| 02:14:42 | MonkeyTamer | no, there's no issue; try putting the ipod into recovery mode, and see if it recognizes it |
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| 02:16:56 | Dwyloc | as i said it still work boots into recovery mode and works ok. I am just going to boot into apples os and check that happens when I plugin the ipod in device manager. |
| 02:17:54 | MonkeyTamer | if it works, then it shouldn't affect the USB; but there may be a small bug in which Windows doesn't actively recognize the ipod as a disk with the firmware loaded |
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| 02:18:51 | MonkeyTamer | that's assuming that it is supposed to recognize it as such, but I haven't actually made active use of that feature, so I'm not sure |
| 02:19:41 | dewdude | mine also states USB Device Not Recgonized when i plug it up to charge rather than for disk |
| 02:20:15 | MonkeyTamer | what's your make? |
| 02:20:31 | dewdude | mine? |
| 02:20:32 | MonkeyTamer | er... it's not a car... model |
| 02:20:40 | dewdude | ipod 5.5 30gb |
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| 02:21:20 | MonkeyTamer | well, I guess it may affect all models |
| 02:21:27 | dewdude | i'm running the usb button patch...so my default behavior when i plug the ipod up to USB is to charge. |
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| 02:21:35 | MonkeyTamer | except Llorean |
| 02:21:46 | Llorean | MonkeyTamer: Well, my build is from yesterday. |
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| 02:22:00 | MonkeyTamer | mine is from 2 days ago I think |
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| 02:22:31 | MonkeyTamer | Llorean, do you have KoC8? |
| 02:22:34 | Llorean | No. |
| 02:22:57 | Llorean | Please, if you're reporting problems, be doing so with an unmodified build. |
| 02:23:01 | MonkeyTamer | I'm using it, so mine is different |
| 02:23:01 | Dwyloc | ok it looks like it still shows up as a USB mass Storage Device when charging under apple OS after unmounting my nano from itunes and going into charging mode with music playback support. |
| 02:23:08 | Llorean | That means *no* patches, and a recent one. |
| 02:23:25 | Llorean | There haven't been changes to USB handling since Linuxstb's commit yesterday, and mine's from after that. |
| 02:23:34 | linuxstb | Dwyloc: So there's no difference between Rockbox and AppleOS? |
| 02:23:38 | MonkeyTamer | I am not reporting any; it isn't afflicting me |
| 02:23:47 | MonkeyTamer | in a bad way that is |
| 02:24:07 | Llorean | MonkeyTamer: Yeah, but you said it's doing the "Not recognized" thing |
| 02:24:07 | Dwyloc | I am testing with a stock svn build from the rockbox website |
| 02:24:15 | Llorean | You're corroborating his report, despite using a modified version. |
| 02:25:01 | MonkeyTamer | oops.. sorry about that; I don't want to give the wrong message |
| 02:26:10 | Llorean | Alright, now have the most recent build on my Nano. |
| 02:26:34 | Llorean | Windows does nothing when I plug it in while holding menu |
| 02:26:54 | MonkeyTamer | if it is a problem, it takes a good minute to do so |
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| 02:27:35 | Llorean | linuxstb: Ah, I think I have an inkling of the problem. |
| 02:27:48 | Dwyloc | Sadly as its getting late and I have work in the morning I will have to go to bed shortly but I am just going to try reverting to an older build and see what happens. |
| 02:27:57 | Llorean | linuxstb: If I release menu relatively quickly after the Charging icon shows up, my iPod shortly reboots into disk mode. |
| 02:28:05 | Llorean | Dwyloc: I can reproduce it now |
| 02:28:17 | Llorean | linuxstb: If I hold Menu a bit longer, I get this unknown device. |
| 02:28:39 | Llorean | linuxstb: It looks like somehow it's wanting to not stay 'charging' after you release Menu |
| 02:29:34 | dewdude | it displays unknown device with the usb button press patch |
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| 02:29:40 | dewdude | i just ignored it |
| 02:30:01 | dewdude | but i also noticed it's charging a lot slower |
| 02:30:12 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, I'm getting the same on my 5g with Linux.... |
| 02:30:28 | linuxstb | But time for bed. I'll look forward to seeing a patch committed to SVN overnight ;) |
| 02:30:51 | Drkepilogue | hey, i am here to report a bug where i can instantly crash my ipod photo... |
| 02:31:03 | Drkepilogue | i play a song, hold menu, change display to database |
| 02:31:10 | * | linuxstb sleeps |
| 02:31:12 | Drkepilogue | go back to wps, and it freezes |
| 02:31:54 | Drkepilogue | when i push select button |
| 02:32:09 | Llorean | Drkepilogue: File a bug report |
| 02:32:25 | Drkepilogue | ok....... |
| 02:32:50 | Llorean | Well, most of the devs are asleep, and nobody's just going to snap their fingers and fix it. |
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| 02:32:58 | Llorean | That's why there's a location for bug reports. |
| 02:32:58 | dewdude | indeed |
| 02:33:05 | Drkepilogue | i know, i just want to start here |
| 02:33:19 | Llorean | Well you seemed dubious when I suggested you file one. |
| 02:33:23 | linuxstb | I've just done exactly that on my photo and it works fine... |
| 02:33:30 | Drkepilogue | O_o |
| 02:34:59 | Drkepilogue | well, i just install lastest CVS and it still crashes |
| 02:35:02 | MonkeyTamer | I know mine has the koc, but i don't have that issue either |
| 02:35:22 | Dwyloc | OK reverting to the last build i used from 31/1/07 results in to device showing up in device manager when holding down menu to charge |
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| 02:36:04 | Dwyloc | sorry that should reed no device |
| 02:37:02 | Dwyloc | its 1:30am in the morning and I have to be in work by 9am and I live about an hours drives drive from work so I think its time for bed :-) |
| 02:37:52 | Dwyloc | but I can test some more tomorrow if its of any help. |
| 02:38:27 | linuxstb | Can you fix it? |
| 02:38:38 | linuxstb | (a bigger help..) ;) |
| 02:39:07 | Dwyloc | sadly not I have not coded in about 10 years |
| 02:39:45 | Dwyloc | and that was under DOS at uni :-) |
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| 02:45:06 | MonkeyTamer | I picked the wrong major to be of coding importance... |
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| 03:07:42 | jba | markun: hey dude |
| 03:07:49 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:07:51 | jba | i just uploaded my battery_bench |
| 03:08:45 | jba | would love some pointers on how to use the table for my own x30 build |
| 03:09:10 | Llorean | 15 hours isn't bad, is it? |
| 03:10:21 | jba | it spent a third of it on 0 thoug |
| 03:10:26 | jba | that's the annoying thing |
| 03:10:28 | Soap | who knows? nobody posts battery runtime tests for their player in original firmware. |
| 03:10:51 | jba | causewhen battery gets below 10 it doesn't persist settings on shut down |
| 03:11:02 | Soap | Is person A's battery in better shape than person B? Or is Build C more battery efficient than Build D? |
| 03:11:36 | Llorean | Soap: Yeah, proper tests should include a retail-OS benchmark too, with the same playlist in the same order, but that's never going to happen. |
| 03:11:39 | Soap | *cough* |
| 03:11:43 | jba | i just want my x30 to not say batter is low till the current gets cclose to being too low |
| 03:11:51 | jba | cause that voltage seemes to fluctuate for ages |
| 03:12:17 | jba | Soap: the retail os has to decrypt (i think 3-des) the files from sat format |
| 03:12:22 | jba | main reason i dumped the shite |
| 03:12:36 | Soap | jba: that's fine - but the main firmware doesn't change. |
| 03:12:41 | jba | hey is there viewvc front end to th svn system? |
| 03:12:54 | Soap | testing the mainfirmware allows us to see your battery condition, and properly compare tests by two people. |
| 03:13:01 | jba | or something similar |
| 03:13:33 | dewdude | yeah, it's a damn shame no two lithium batteries are ever exactly alike, |
| 03:13:36 | Soap | If people aren't going to perform a benchmark test in the stock firmware to give a basis for comparison - they at least should do a consistant test against a static build. |
| 03:13:36 | jba | if you ask me you already have to go through too many steps to submit a battery bench as is, you don't want to make it any harder |
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| 03:14:06 | Soap | I'd rather there be 1/10th the number of battery bench tests - if those 10% were useful. |
| 03:14:52 | jba | so why don't you make a zip file containing the default config.cfg, music-test folder and current playlist to test |
| 03:15:05 | jba | that way someone can just unzip the bastard over their root, reboot and run the test |
| 03:15:08 | Soap | because that doesn't solve the problem. |
| 03:15:25 | Soap | the problem is battery condition. |
| 03:16:00 | Soap | and that can only be factored out by comparing current (ever changing) builds to a benchmark build. |
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| 03:16:44 | Soap | Be that benchmark build the retail firmware (which everyone has) or some other agreed upon build - like 2007-01-01's daily (assuming everyone would agree to test with that) |
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| 03:16:56 | dewdude | i would only look at data from 3 or 4 ipods as a real rough estimation..you never know what exact kind of battery is in there...and how each user has treated it |
| 03:17:06 | jba | well on the gigabeat it's trivial to revert to original build |
| 03:17:19 | jba | but not so trivial to encrypt music and move it back onto the player |
| 03:17:29 | jba | i don't want to install the cruddy gigacrap room |
| 03:17:30 | Soap | Then we could say "SVN 12199 delivers 102% of the battery life of _X_) - not "Dude! I got 19 hours!" |
| 03:17:47 | MonkeyTamer | ..I'm having a hard time connecting to debian for getting the files... any ideas? |
| 03:17:59 | jba | Soap: i don't think the gigabeat users are interested in number of hours, more more intersted in the discharge curve right now |
| 03:18:02 | MonkeyTamer | first time I have had this issue |
| 03:18:40 | Soap | jba - The difficulty of using the Gigabeat stock firmware sounds legit - then the Gigabeat community should decide on a "benchmark" build, and arbitrary, yet consistant, build all new builds will be measured against. |
| 03:19:13 | Soap | jba - discharge curve is _strongly_ affected by individual battery conditions - even room temp. |
| 03:19:31 | jba | problem is once sound started working the gigabeat community sorta thinned out |
| 03:19:47 | jba | aye markun |
| 03:20:06 | Soap | I totally grok that - doesn't mean you can't be the leader. Doesn't mean you can't lead by example. |
| 03:20:52 | jba | if i had the time right now, i'd actually be cutting code, like fixing sloth's lcd disable code |
| 03:21:13 | jba | which seems to capture and suspend any button clicks till the backlight has faded in fully |
| 03:21:22 | Soap | Running a battery bench doesn't take any attention - only a willingness to part with your player for a day or two. |
| 03:21:48 | jba | yeah it's the organising of the benchmark build, and config settings that takes time |
| 03:21:55 | Llorean | Soap: It requires some attention at the end with the retail firmware. |
| 03:22:16 | Llorean | Soap: Though you can use a line in on a PC, and just record the output from the player and see where the silence starts, if you've got HD space. |
| 03:22:22 | Soap | Llorean: I know retail lasts ~22 hours - I plug a |
| 03:23:00 | Soap | exactly - using a splitter so you can plug in your headphones and put a load on the amp - and setting up a timed recording start so you don't burn 22 hours of recording, when 2 will do. |
| 03:23:03 | JdGordon | sorry OT, but does anyone have a windows xp home cd? |
| 03:26:00 | MonkeyTamer | fixed my problem, but does anyone else sometimes have issues with connecting to their debian user account? sometimes I just can't get on, unless fully reboot the debian image |
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| 03:27:07 | Llorean | MonkeyTamer: Are you using the newest VMWare? |
| 03:27:13 | MonkeyTamer | yes |
| 03:27:26 | Llorean | I had a problem with a slightly older version, but I never have it any more. |
| 03:27:39 | MonkeyTamer | hmm, when was it last updated? |
| 03:28:05 | MonkeyTamer | I think I downloaded the debian image a week ago |
| 03:28:30 | Llorean | I meant the VMWare player, not the debian image |
| 03:28:48 | MonkeyTamer | oops |
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| 03:29:06 | MonkeyTamer | pardon me; multitasking with calculus |
| 03:29:12 | MonkeyTamer | I'll go and download a new copy |
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| 03:33:42 | Big_Mac | later on I am going to need some help with retrieving the source |
| 03:33:49 | Big_Mac | have to finish algebra 2 first |
| 03:34:20 | MonkeyTamer | algebra 2... those were the days |
| 03:35:14 | Big_Mac | heh I hate it |
| 03:35:37 | MonkeyTamer | what material is being covered? |
| 03:35:53 | Big_Mac | I have alg 2, precalc and geometry this year |
| 03:36:13 | Big_Mac | Uhh right now we are doing synthetic division and solving polynomials |
| 03:36:51 | MonkeyTamer | could be worse... could be trig |
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| 03:37:38 | Big_Mac | Eh I have seen the material it is not that hard I guess, I mean they are all easy right now I just hate how all of it is busy wor |
| 03:37:40 | Big_Mac | work |
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| 03:38:05 | MonkeyTamer | that's the life of math... never particularly difficult, just constant busy work |
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| 03:41:18 | MonkeyTamer | On a positive note however, it is work like math that gives us all the more reason to use our DAPs, and through Rockbox at that |
| 03:42:18 | jba | dude youre starting to sound like the opening credits to that crap show numbers |
| 03:42:25 | jba | how did that thing even make it into a second season? |
| 03:43:06 | MonkeyTamer | people liked it |
| 03:43:12 | MonkeyTamer | my dad seemed to like it |
| 03:43:30 | MonkeyTamer | it was ok... not as bad as some of the other stuff out there |
| 03:43:39 | MonkeyTamer | but uninteresting to me, valid |
| 03:43:51 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: Now I have recording icons stuck in the statusbar all the time! I took recscreen_on state variable out of global_settings in the menu stuff to stop that. :) |
| 03:44:26 | JdGordon | your having the same problem barry was having yesterday? |
| 03:44:53 | JdGordon | recscreen_on probably shouldnt be in global_settings anyway |
| 03:45:13 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: Yeah, it's one that added a fix for when I adapted the recording menus. |
| 03:47:21 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I never did bother to figure why it wasn't an issue before though. :\ |
| 03:49:29 | JdGordon | hmm |
| 03:51:01 | JdGordon | lunch time... bbl |
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| 03:57:08 | TerrorByte | Well, I figure I'll set up VMware to apply patches myself. |
| 03:57:09 | TerrorByte | Have some time right now to get started :) |
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| 03:58:13 | TerrorByte | Okay I assume I first need to download VMplayer. |
| 03:58:18 | TerrorByte | VMware Player* |
| 03:58:24 | MonkeyTamer | yes |
| 03:58:38 | MonkeyTamer | then the debian image |
| 03:58:59 | MonkeyTamer | you'll need either 7-zip or winrar to extract the image |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:07 | MonkeyTamer | also, ensure your computer is configured for connecting to networked computers, so that you will be able to connect to your account, and access the source files |
| 04:00:37 | MonkeyTamer | this can be done by verifying that workstation and the computer browser services are not disabled |
| 04:01:11 | TerrorByte | Whoa. |
| 04:01:15 | TerrorByte | I'm lost lol. |
| 04:01:30 | TerrorByte | Why do I need all that? |
| 04:01:33 | MonkeyTamer | sorry about that |
| 04:01:44 | MonkeyTamer | if you dont mess with your computer |
| 04:01:47 | MonkeyTamer | then no worries |
| 04:02:19 | TerrorByte | Okay I'm still downloading VMware Player 1.03 |
| 04:02:20 | MonkeyTamer | those are just the services required to basically obtain your build after you make it |
| 04:02:22 | TerrorByte | What should I do next? |
| 04:02:28 | MonkeyTamer | download the image |
| 04:02:52 | MonkeyTamer | it'll take a while; it's slightly over 200mb, and 2GB extracted |
| 04:03:21 | MonkeyTamer | you have enough space right? |
| 04:04:34 | TerrorByte | Yes.... |
| 04:04:36 | TerrorByte | 2 GB extracted? |
| 04:04:46 | TerrorByte | And where do I get the image? |
| 04:04:55 | MonkeyTamer | there should be three links |
| 04:05:02 | MonkeyTamer | on the wiki |
| 04:05:07 | Soap | Llorean: I hate to say it - but it looks like KoCOP#8 is abou to lose this latest battery bench. Which means I need to run the whole series of them again for verification. |
| 04:05:12 | MonkeyTamer | one sec |
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| 04:05:51 | MonkeyTamer | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform |
| 04:05:55 | TerrorByte | Alright. |
| 04:05:55 | MonkeyTamer | choose a link |
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| 04:06:23 | Llorean | Soap: Someone did say it had a negative effect on their battery life. |
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| 04:07:04 | Llorean | Soap: KoC6 improved mine though, but only by 5%. I assumed that it was a large enough improvement but didn't run multiple tests, so it could still be within a reasonable margin of error to suggest that they just have equivalent battery lives. |
| 04:07:14 | Big_Mac | Does KOCOP handle ogg files on the second core? |
| 04:07:29 | Soap | yes |
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| 04:07:32 | Llorean | Big_Mac: It handles all decoding on the second core. |
| 04:07:34 | Big_Mac | Alright |
| 04:07:38 | Big_Mac | Hmm |
| 04:07:49 | Big_Mac | Well flac is the same speed |
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| 04:07:57 | Soap | Llorean: It's going to be slim IF it loses by 5%. |
| 04:08:06 | Big_Mac | like when I skip a song on flac it pauses for like 2-3 seconds |
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| 04:08:19 | Llorean | Big_Mac: That's just disk spinup, and has nothing to do with decode speed |
| 04:08:20 | Big_Mac | mp3s it is like .5-1 |
| 04:08:25 | TerrorByte | Sorry, got disconnected. |
| 04:08:30 | Big_Mac | Ah ok |
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| 04:10:38 | MonkeyTamer | TerrorByte: do you have an unzipping program that can handle .7z? |
| 04:10:50 | TerrorByte | Yes yes. |
| 04:10:53 | MonkeyTamer | good |
| 04:10:53 | TerrorByte | I'm downloading it now :) |
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| 04:11:21 | TerrorByte | I think I'll have to get back to this tomorrow. |
| 04:11:27 | MonkeyTamer | likely |
| 04:11:29 | TerrorByte | I'll install VMware Player and extract the image. |
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| 04:11:33 | MonkeyTamer | it's a long download |
| 04:11:43 | Soap | well I'll be a monkey's uncle. |
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| 04:11:46 | Soap | It's a tie |
| 04:11:58 | TerrorByte | It is. |
| 04:12:18 | Soap | I've never seen _that_ death before, though. iPod restarted it self on low battery and died during boot. |
| 04:12:19 | MonkeyTamer | extract the image, put it into a folder, and basically you locate the image with vmware to run |
| 04:12:32 | Soap | *itself\ |
| 04:13:10 | MonkeyTamer | what was the test benchmarked with? |
| 04:13:35 | Soap | MonkeyTamer: ? I don't follow. |
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| 04:13:45 | MonkeyTamer | I mean what model |
| 04:13:53 | Soap | Ipod 5th gen |
| 04:14:10 | TerrorByte | Hey, is it possible to brick an H10? |
| 04:14:14 | MonkeyTamer | well, sounds good if it's a tie |
| 04:14:15 | TerrorByte | Has anyone ever done it accidentally? |
| 04:14:55 | MonkeyTamer | probably good to check with misticriver |
| 04:15:02 | MonkeyTamer | I have no idea |
| 04:15:14 | Llorean | TerrorByte: If you replace the iRiver bootloader (the .rom file) then yes, probably |
| 04:15:39 | Soap | I'll look at the battery bench when it wakes back up, but I was seeing more battery bar than on my previous test. |
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| 04:17:37 | TerrorByte | Wow, I can actually brick my H10? |
| 04:18:03 | TerrorByte | As in render it totally useless? |
| 04:18:13 | MonkeyTamer | it's possible, yes |
| 04:18:27 | MonkeyTamer | it depends on your precautions |
| 04:20:17 | MonkeyTamer | I would imagine the manual would mention some precautions, but as Llorean noted that replacing the .rom file would be very risky |
| 04:20:19 | Llorean | TerrorByte: If you're silly and do things other than those in the instructions, yes. |
| 04:20:32 | Soap | Llorean: I take much of it back - 5% gain with KoCOP - I based by numbers off the wrong start time for one of the tests. |
| 04:21:32 | TerrorByte | Well I'll get back to this tomorrow and build rockbox with the patch... |
| 04:21:35 | Soap | That's really embarasing, I need to be more careful with the numbers. |
| 04:21:35 | TerrorByte | Should be off now. |
| 04:21:38 | TerrorByte | Later. |
| 04:21:54 | MonkeyTamer | good luck |
| 04:22:07 | Llorean | Soap: So really, just about the same results I got? |
| 04:22:08 | TerrorByte | If I have time tomorrow :P |
| 04:22:09 | TerrorByte | Bye. |
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| 04:22:54 | Soap | Llorean: very much so - 4.5% |
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| 04:25:34 | Soap | next test is with the 64MB buffer. See if I can't crack the 12 hour mark. |
| 04:26:49 | Llorean | It'd be nice if you did. |
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| 04:29:26 | Soap | Then to test the stock firmware again - I'm curious where it comes in - because I got the exact same runtime I had almost five months ago - I would have expected the improvem memcopy code to have produced better runtimes - I'm guessing the reason I don't see longer times is a function of a five month older battery. |
| 04:29:36 | Llorean | Probably |
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| 04:29:50 | Soap | *improved |
| 04:32:08 | Llorean | Aren't li-ion supposed to lose something like a whole 5%/month? |
| 04:32:16 | Llorean | I seem to recall the capacity loss on them was pretty horrendous |
| 04:33:13 | Llorean | Hm, no, approximately 20% per year this says |
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| 04:33:30 | tek | Hey! |
| 04:33:35 | tek | Anybody on? |
| 04:33:44 | Llorean | Often, yes |
| 04:34:22 | tek | where can I find the Rockbox ipod video source? |
| 04:34:42 | Llorean | It's available as a tarball on the builds page, or you can get it from SVN |
| 04:35:25 | tek | ahah |
| 04:35:31 | tek | I didnt see the source link at the end |
| 04:35:49 | tek | any documentation available to compile this for the ipod? |
| 04:36:29 | Llorean | See the SimpleGuideToCompiling page in the wiki |
| 04:36:37 | Llorean | it's not perfect, but it's what's there right now |
| 04:37:13 | tek | cool thanks for the help... |
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| 04:38:51 | Soap | well, Llorean, I've been wearing it outdoors in sub-freezing temps the last three months - i think the cold is good for battery preservation. ;) |
| 04:39:01 | Llorean | Soap: According to wikipedia it is. |
| 04:39:21 | tek | Sweet nice little developer section |
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| 04:51:00 | Big_Mac | any songbird users? |
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| 04:57:55 | TwilightInZero | Hi there. |
| 04:58:51 | TwilightInZero | Uh... I finished my theme and I'd like to put it in the wiki... May I have write privleges? |
| 04:59:10 | midkay | sure, what's your username? |
| 04:59:24 | TwilightInZero | TrentMcPheron |
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| 05:00:22 | midkay | there, you should have write access. |
| 05:00:48 | TwilightInZero | Thank you very much. Will the wiki have a place for me to upload the zip file, or will I need to put it on my own space? |
| 05:01:31 | midkay | no problem, and you upload it directly to the wiki. |
| 05:01:52 | TwilightInZero | Alrighty then. I'll keep this open in case I run into problems. |
| 05:02:14 | midkay | sure thing. you know where the upload guide is, right? (WpsGallery) |
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| 05:21:17 | Tim_Mitchell | is there info on how much faster ipod rockbox is with the cop 8 vs no coprocessor? the patch page and the forums didn't have much on the improvement it has made save that framerates for video are better |
| 05:22:06 | Soap | I honestly didn't test video w/o the patch - but I _believe_ you should see close to 100% improvement with the patch on the ipods. |
| 05:22:06 | Llorean | Tim_Mitchell: There's a small battery life improvement, and some people have subjectively said the menus are better. |
| 05:23:19 | Tim_Mitchell | I am mostly concerned with ogg playback |
| 05:24:05 | Llorean | Well it should be much more consistent. |
| 05:24:08 | Tim_Mitchell | I currently have an H140 which works great but I rarely use it since it isn't pocket size |
| 05:25:40 | Tim_Mitchell | my understanding is that the ipod is not as fast as my iriver, yes? |
| 05:26:32 | Soap | are we talking 100M speed or marathon? |
| 05:27:08 | Soap | They both playback ogg in realtime - I'm not sure what the question is. |
| 05:27:13 | Llorean | Tim_Mitchell: The iRiver is 120mhz. The iPod is 2 x 75mhz. |
| 05:27:36 | Llorean | With the coprocessor support, once it's completely working right, the iPod should have no problems with Ogg |
| 05:27:47 | Tim_Mitchell | I don't have an ipod yet - it was my understanding that ogg sometimes skipped and paused on the ipod - |
| 05:28:02 | Tim_Mitchell | it hasn't been a problem on the H140 |
| 05:28:24 | Soap | I have no problems with Q6 and Q7 on my iPod (I don't think I have ever encoded "fatter" than Q7) |
| 05:28:45 | Llorean | Tim_Mitchell: Most formats on the iPod have issues with the peakmeter showing. |
| 05:29:13 | Tim_Mitchell | the peakmeter is optional though, right? |
| 05:29:13 | Llorean | As well, above Q8 vorbis, on some iPods (5G), there may be skips at this time, without the patch |
| 05:29:18 | Llorean | Yes, it's optional |
| 05:29:46 | Tim_Mitchell | I have a lot of Q10 ... |
| 05:30:12 | Llorean | Well, I'm having a hard time whether you're talking about with or without the patch. |
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| 05:30:47 | carapalid | hi, anyone in here tonight? i am new... |
| 05:30:51 | Tim_Mitchell | my iriver is a very old build, before the patch existed and it's worked great |
| 05:31:09 | Llorean | Tim_Mitchell: The patch doesn't affect the iRiver. |
| 05:31:10 | Soap | Q10 |
| 05:31:11 | Soap | ? |
| 05:31:13 | Tim_Mitchell | I am concerned with whether the ipod will be as good (with or without the patch) |
| 05:31:13 | Llorean | It's a completely different situation. |
| 05:31:17 | Soap | why not just go FLAC? |
| 05:31:34 | carapalid | hoping to ask a question to any of you that can give me a hand please? |
| 05:31:45 | Llorean | Soap: FLAC can still be twice the size of even Q10. |
| 05:31:52 | Tim_Mitchell | not enough space for my music - I regret using Q10 for the same reason |
| 05:32:04 | Llorean | But really, above Q8 you don't get much. |
| 05:32:24 | Tim_Mitchell | yeah I did ABX and thought I heard a difference so I just went with it |
| 05:32:26 | carapalid | does anyone here use an ipod nano 1st generation with rockbox? |
| 05:32:35 | Soap | Llorean: I know that - I was being a bit sarcastic. Q10 is huge for lossless, and I've yet to meet the one soul who can ABX Q10 and Q8. |
| 05:32:35 | Llorean | carapalid: Why don't you ask your actual question |
| 05:32:48 | carapalid | i just did. sorry i was typing. |
| 05:33:12 | Tim_Mitchell | (I do a lot of music transcribing so I decided just to waste disk space, at the time) |
| 05:33:21 | Llorean | carapalid: I assumed you had a question beyond that, though. |
| 05:33:37 | carapalid | i was reading about rockbox firms and was wondering if anyone here know which build i should go with... the daily or the current? on a nano 1st generation |
| 05:33:40 | Llorean | Tim_Mitchell: If you want one with consistent performance now, look into the Gigabeat rather than the iPod |
| 05:33:54 | carapalid | i got a broken finger :( hard to type |
| 05:33:57 | Llorean | carapalid: Do you see a link to the daily build on the front page? |
| 05:34:13 | carapalid | yes i grabed that one. |
| 05:34:17 | Tim_Mitchell | Llorean: I thought the gigabeat was an even newer port? |
| 05:34:28 | Llorean | Newer doesn't mean worse. |
| 05:34:35 | Soap | it is, but it has a Hemi under the hood. |
| 05:34:55 | carapalid | but the instructions say that you can either choose the daily or current... and i am confused on which one i should get... i just need one that is the most stable of course. |
| 05:35:02 | Llorean | The hardware in the Gigabeat is more powerful, and more has been discovered about the hardware, so the port is in a better state. |
| 05:35:03 | carapalid | so the latest daily should do then? |
| 05:35:25 | Llorean | carapalid: There isn't a link to the daily on the front page. We recommend the Current build. |
| 05:36:09 | carapalid | let me see which one i grabbed... now i am confused... |
| 05:37:20 | carapalid | i went to download, current build, then i choose the nano icon |
| 05:37:28 | carapalid | so i guess it is the current one |
| 05:38:15 | Llorean | There's really no 'most stable' version for the Nano |
| 05:38:27 | Tim_Mitchell | Llorean: it is just the F and X models that are ported, which I'll have to look for on eBay or similar? |
| 05:38:55 | Llorean | just the F and X |
| 05:39:00 | Llorean | Which can be found new in some cases. |
| 05:39:02 | Llorean | But ebay is the easiest |
| 05:39:18 | carapalid | thank you llorean. one last question... |
| 05:39:29 | carapalid | to all of you... if that is ok... |
| 05:40:03 | carapalid | i read that this rockbox firmware doesn't write to flash/replaces the original firmware that comes with the nano... |
| 05:40:19 | carapalid | so i can always uninstall and go back to the OEM firmware... |
| 05:40:35 | carapalid | please correct me if i say anything wrong... |
| 05:40:50 | Llorean | No, that's true. You can always go back. |
| 05:41:04 | carapalid | but doing this installing and uninstalling many times... can something get corrupted? |
| 05:43:04 | Llorean | There should be no reason to uninstall and reinstall many times. |
| 05:43:29 | carapalid | i am new into this rockbox thing... i was googling today to find a way to "drag and drop" music into the ipods instead of using itunes... i am TIRED of itunes... i want to just drag and drop. so i guess i am going with this rockbox. not to mention that i like the idea of when i got to see a friend ai can just drag and drop their music into my player in case they don't use i tunes. |
| 05:43:34 | Llorean | But all it is is data on the disk. iTunes can always restore your iPod if you manage to corrupt the copy of the original software on your iPod, though it's hard to do. |
| 05:43:40 | Llorean | (Hard to corrupt, not hard to restore) |
| 05:44:41 | carapalid | do you recommend any other softwares/firmwares out there that i can use with my ipod nano so i can easily drag and drop music at my home and also at friends house... or is rockbox my BEST bet? |
| 05:46:06 | perl|perl | http://www.mlipod.com/ |
| 05:46:23 | Llorean | Rockbox is the only alternate firmware for the iPod that's actually focused on music playing features. |
| 05:46:37 | Llorean | There are a lot of programs that can be used as an alternate means of copying files too/from it. |
| 05:47:46 | carapalid | that was what i thought. but i really want to be able to drag and drop music in case i am at a friends house... and if they don't have the software they it won't work. ok... cool... i think rockbox is THE ONE and ONLY :) |
| 05:47:54 | carapalid | i heard good things aout it |
| 05:48:08 | Llorean | There's also iPodLinux, but it's not really focused on music function. It has some, but it's not as deep. |
| 05:48:20 | carapalid | i'll check out that mlipod.com also. thank you pper1 |
| 05:48:44 | carapalid | i read some stuff about this ipodlinux on the forum... before i came here. |
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| 05:49:26 | carapalid | are you by the way the person from "brasil" on that forum? i saw some posts from a user that speaks portuguese... i can't remember if it was you. |
| 05:50:16 | carapalid | anyhow, thank you for your help. i will go with that current build for the ipod nano. |
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| 06:38:50 | TwilightInZero | Anyways, my WPS is posted now. I've probably messed something up, though. |
| 06:39:01 | TwilightInZero | Like some rule I've overlooked or something of the sort. |
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| 08:20:46 | cara | hi. can someone help me please? i have spent 4 hours (i swear) trying to figgure out what i am doing wrong... i am sooo frustrated... |
| 08:21:27 | cara | i would really appreciate anyone's help |
| 08:21:35 | Mikachu | just ask your question |
| 08:21:47 | cara | ok... |
| 08:22:14 | cara | i am new to the rockbox thing... so i read all the info and was able install the rockbox onto this ipod nano. |
| 08:22:23 | cara | worked like a charm! |
| 08:23:06 | cara | i noticed that the songs that i was uploading onto the nano via rockbox weren't showing when i woudl switch to the mac OS of the nano... so i started searching on the forums for the reason... |
| 08:23:17 | cara | then i found out that nanos that have firmwares 1.2 have this issue. |
| 08:23:41 | cara | i then found the old installationg guide (wiki) and followed that 4 times... and still... nothing... |
| 08:23:45 | cara | i can't get it right :( |
| 08:24:05 | Mikachu | just don't use the mac OS then, rockbox is better :) |
| 08:25:03 | cara | well... i kind of like the rockbox myself... but this is my sister's ipod... and she has a hard time seeing... and she wants to use the apple OS... unfortunately. |
| 08:25:24 | Mikachu | okay, you know about voice support in rockbox though? |
| 08:25:33 | cara | we are doing all this so we don't have to use itunes anymore... we want to drag and drop the music into the ipod like other players. |
| 08:25:43 | cara | yeah, i read that |
| 08:25:49 | Mikachu | if you drag and drop, it won't show up in mac os, you have to use itunes |
| 08:25:52 | Mikachu | that is just the way it is |
| 08:26:04 | Mikachu | (or another program designed to work with ipods) |
| 08:26:10 | cara | so the thread i was following is wrong? |
| 08:26:23 | Mikachu | sounds like it, or you misunderstood their problem |
| 08:26:46 | cara | but there is actual a "tutorial" for the nano 1.2 version users to fix this issue... |
| 08:26:52 | cara | that was the tutorial i was following |
| 08:27:27 | Mikachu | well, the apple firmware requires the music to be in the /ipod_control/blabla folders and the database file to be updated etc |
| 08:30:09 | cara | sorry... i am confused. i understand what you are saying... but... what does the update of the database have to do with this 1.2 version? you lost me! |
| 08:30:26 | Mikachu | not anything i think |
| 08:30:41 | Mikachu | i'm just saying that nothing will make drag and drop work with the original firmware |
| 08:30:58 | cara | you mean with the 1.2 firm? |
| 08:31:12 | Mikachu | by original i mean apple, any version |
| 08:32:05 | cara | i am sorry but... when then there are several tuturials on the forums on how to run the rockbox so you can drag and drop and then swicth to the original OS so you can play the music that way? |
| 08:32:15 | cara | am i reading those instructions wrong then? |
| 08:32:29 | Mikachu | can you link to one? |
| 08:32:44 | cara | sure onse sec... |
| 08:34:57 | cara | sorry, one sec... |
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| 08:35:40 | cara | is it just me or i can't login there now? it is taking forever... |
| 08:36:49 | cara | one sec... |
| 08:37:49 | cara | i am sorry, for some reason i can't login... none of the links work now... iwonder if the site is under maintance. |
| 08:38:27 | cara | i am pisted now... i spent 4 hours for nothing! |
| 08:38:31 | cara | arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 08:39:15 | cara | i am logged in now... |
| 08:40:21 | Bagder_ | works for me |
| 08:40:27 | cara | mikachu... sorry... something is up with the site i think... i can log in but i can't search... |
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| 08:40:33 | cara | this is wierd |
| 08:40:35 | cara | really? |
| 08:40:51 | cara | let me do some cleaning here then... |
| 08:40:59 | w1ll14m | morning all |
| 08:41:09 | Bagder | ah, you said forums |
| 08:41:16 | Bagder | no, they're not responding to me either |
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| 08:41:26 | Bagder | a usual problem at this time of day for some reason |
| 08:41:33 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 08:41:38 | Mikachu | maybe they're pregnant, morning sickness |
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| 08:41:42 | Bagder | they're just slow |
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| 08:41:47 | * | Bagder reads them now |
| 08:42:47 | Bagder | Mikachu: since they're in the US, it is a rather late morning ;-) |
| 08:42:51 | cara | i got the search working now. odd |
| 08:43:04 | Bagder | or early perhaps |
| 08:43:11 | Mikachu | i didn't know they're outsourced |
| 08:43:15 | cara | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6639.0 |
| 08:43:22 | cara | here is the link mikachu |
| 08:43:51 | cara | bagder and will14m... u guys know anything about installing the rockbox on a 1.2 nano? |
| 08:44:05 | w1ll14m | 2g ? |
| 08:44:17 | cara | from that link there is another link of the old tutorial that for that... |
| 08:44:26 | cara | that was the one i followed. |
| 08:44:29 | cara | yes 2 gb |
| 08:44:34 | cara | 1st generation nano |
| 08:44:35 | Mikachu | that page has nothing on your problem |
| 08:44:38 | w1ll14m | ok |
| 08:44:52 | w1ll14m | what's the problem ? |
| 08:45:31 | w1ll14m | cara: what's your problem? |
| 08:45:32 | Mikachu | cara: you just told me you had successfully installed rockbox |
| 08:45:47 | Mikachu | that thread doesn't talk anything about copying music |
| 08:45:59 | cara | first time i installed the rockbox it worked fine. but i noticed that the songs i would drag and drop via rockbox woudn't show up when using the original OS. so i searched and found that on 1.2 firmware there were issues like that. |
| 08:46:16 | w1ll14m | no.... |
| 08:46:16 | cara | mikachu, i think we missunderstood each other then... |
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| 08:46:28 | Bagder | cara: the OF will never find songs you drag and drop, afaik |
| 08:46:32 | w1ll14m | original firmware uses ipod_control for storing music |
| 08:46:54 | w1ll14m | and uses a database to store information about those songs |
| 08:47:02 | cara | first time i tried it worked fine... but the songs weren't showing on the original OS... |
| 08:47:03 | cara | i see |
| 08:47:16 | cara | so i missunderstood the tutorials then? |
| 08:47:31 | w1ll14m | you can use both rockbox and of |
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| 08:47:49 | w1ll14m | but not the same music |
| 08:48:03 | cara | because there were some threads like the one i posted above about people installing the rockbox on the 1.2...and they could play their songs on the original version... |
| 08:48:04 | w1ll14m | as itunes is required to set up songs for og |
| 08:48:11 | cara | oh... |
| 08:48:22 | cara | i guess i missunderstood the threads then... |
| 08:48:28 | DataGhost | technically it isn't required w1ll14m :P |
| 08:48:29 | w1ll14m | so you can play music with of, but then you need itunes again |
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| 08:48:36 | Bagder | cara: you need to use some weird program to make the OF see the songs |
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| 08:49:01 | DataGhost | I'm using floola on my laptop (since iTunes will trash all music which is not on my laptop) to put vids on my iPod |
| 08:49:04 | w1ll14m | badger: probaply a database editor or so |
| 08:49:18 | Bagder | yes, hence "weird" ;-) |
| 08:49:24 | w1ll14m | hehehe :) |
| 08:49:25 | Bagder | there are several that does the job I think |
| 08:49:28 | cara | so is this just for the 1.2 firmware or ALL of them? |
| 08:49:32 | Bagder | cara: all |
| 08:49:33 | DataGhost | all |
| 08:49:52 | cara | oh... i got confused then. sorry MIKACHU! |
| 08:49:52 | * | w1ll14m almost became an echo again |
| 08:50:06 | Mikachu | cara: no problem, i tried to tell you you had to use itunes though |
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| 08:50:31 | cara | i was under the impression that you could turn your ipod to rockbox to load the music in drag and drop mode... then you could switch back to the original APPLE OS to play the songs... |
| 08:50:35 | w1ll14m | i still have of on my 5g 60gb, but i've never used it since i have rockbox |
| 08:50:52 | w1ll14m | cara: for rockbox drag and drop works fine |
| 08:50:59 | Mikachu | cara: no, you can always drag and drop music to your ipod, rockbox lets you PLAY that music |
| 08:51:18 | w1ll14m | but OF uses a 'database' where the filenames and tags of the music files are stored |
| 08:51:18 | cara | yeah, but i was hoping to drag and drop via the rockbox and then play the songs via the original OS |
| 08:51:27 | cara | i see |
| 08:51:44 | w1ll14m | so you would need a 'database' editor that can change filenames |
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| 08:52:24 | cara | w1114m... let me just see if i understood this right then... |
| 08:52:49 | cara | i can drag/drop the songs into my ipod... but the rockbox firmware is the only way to play them. right? |
| 08:52:55 | Mikachu | yes |
| 08:52:57 | w1ll14m | indeed |
| 08:53:17 | w1ll14m | or you could use rockbox in database mode, but then you need itunes to set up the songs |
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| 08:53:30 | cara | are there any software out there that will do was i was hoping? |
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| 08:53:58 | w1ll14m | rockbox in database mode searches the disk for music and will search trough the music setup by itunes |
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| 08:54:11 | cara | i don't want to use any itunes/other software... cuz i like the idea of sometimes visiting a friend... and if they have cool songs i can just drag and drop and then play. |
| 08:54:21 | w1ll14m | cara: badger said something about a tool... maybe he knows more |
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| 08:54:30 | Mikachu | then what you want is rockbox |
| 08:54:40 | w1ll14m | cara: indeed you need rockbox |
| 08:54:43 | Mikachu | are there programs like gtkpod for windows? |
| 08:54:53 | Mikachu | in that case you could put that program on your ipod and run it from there |
| 08:55:00 | Mikachu | if you absolutely don't want to use rockbox |
| 08:55:00 | cara | why apple did this? does anyone know? |
| 08:55:09 | Mikachu | because they want you to use itunes |
| 08:55:13 | cara | it sucks! i like drag and drop players! |
| 08:55:14 | w1ll14m | apple loves drm |
| 08:55:23 | Mikachu | tell all your friends apple sucks |
| 08:55:24 | cara | man... and NO one has found a way to rack this shit? |
| 08:55:34 | w1ll14m | mikashu: you rock |
| 08:55:38 | Mikachu | sure we have, we install rockbox |
| 08:55:53 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 08:56:03 | cara | well... but i mean... drag and drop and still use the original apple OS to play them though... |
| 08:56:09 | Galois | look, the problem is that the software on the ipod itself is set up, by default, to only let you play thru itunes |
| 08:56:18 | Galois | so to do what you want, you have to *replace the original OS* |
| 08:56:22 | Mikachu | no, that is by definition impossible |
| 08:56:33 | w1ll14m | cara: if i where you, just try rockbox for a week... once you go rockbox you never want back |
| 08:57:07 | cara | oh man... i thought some reverse engineering and some good hackers would be able to do that... but... i don't know a lot about all this hacking stuff... so i might be wrong. |
| 08:57:16 | Galois | if you're going to replace the original OS anyway, you might as well put in something better, instead of just fixing one problem |
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| 08:57:24 | cara | but i hear all this stuff about the wii being hacked, the xbox 360, the psp... |
| 08:57:36 | cara | so i was wondering how come not the damn ipod? |
| 08:57:39 | w1ll14m | cara: it can be done, but someone need to write a program (rockbox won't do that) |
| 08:57:42 | Mikachu | how do you think we get ROKCBOX TO RUN?E |
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| 08:58:03 | Bagder | cara: wake up |
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| 08:58:09 | cara | yeah, i like rockbox... but the GUI is really tiny... |
| 08:58:20 | w1ll14m | cara: you can install themes :) |
| 08:58:25 | pondlife | Depends on which font you use |
| 08:58:30 | w1ll14m | cara: there are themes just like apple |
| 08:58:31 | Mikachu | cara: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano |
| 08:58:33 | cara | my sister has a hard time seeing that stuff.. |
| 08:58:44 | cara | themes? ok... i did not know that... serious? |
| 08:58:59 | cara | sorry... i have just been reading about rockbox all day today... |
| 08:59:10 | cara | so i still don't know 100% of everything that can be done... |
| 08:59:29 | w1ll14m | cara: we have a bunch of nice themes :) check the link mikachu gave you :) |
| 08:59:34 | Mikachu | instead of asking impossible things like making the apple firmware sane, you could say your problem was a small font |
| 08:59:45 | cara | so these themes will make the firmware look similar to the original OS? like... i mean... big fonts, color background etc? |
| 08:59:55 | w1ll14m | if you want :) |
| 08:59:56 | Mikachu | cara: just look at them! |
| 09:00 |
| 09:00:03 | amiconn | cara: There's also the voice UI |
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| 09:00:21 | cara | i am right now. do you guys recommend any though? |
| 09:00:39 | * | Bagder doesn't care much about the look |
| 09:00:41 | Mikachu | pick the one you like |
| 09:00:50 | cara | simple to use, nice looking, not a lot of clutter... |
| 09:00:52 | cara | oh ok... |
| 09:01:20 | w1ll14m | bagder: but a nice font is good for 5g :) text is so small :) |
| 09:01:27 | Bagder | yeah |
| 09:01:35 | Bagder | but I don't have a 5g :) |
| 09:01:37 | cara | well, thank you all for helping me understand this firmware. any other readings/link that you might thinkg it would help me learn more about this? |
| 09:01:39 | w1ll14m | hehehe |
| 09:01:54 | w1ll14m | cara: search for iPod_nano on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano you will find a nice apple theme |
| 09:02:46 | cara | just curious... do you guys use any of them on your ipods? |
| 09:03:04 | Mikachu | you can make your own if you want |
| 09:03:07 | w1ll14m | i don't because i have video, so i need bigger themes :) |
| 09:03:16 | Mikachu | i guess most people pick one that looks nice and adjust them to their taste |
| 09:03:34 | cara | cool. is photoshop the soft used to make the themes? |
| 09:03:47 | w1ll14m | cara: mostly |
| 09:03:51 | Mikachu | you can use any editor you want |
| 09:04:00 | Mikachu | (ps gimp) |
| 09:04:22 | cara | cool. i'll spendm ore time on that link then. thank you guys/girls for all the help. |
| 09:04:47 | w1ll14m | cara:np |
| 09:04:55 | w1ll14m | mikachu: this one is nice for nano :) Blue_Dream |
| 09:05:33 | Mikachu | i'm somewhat constrained in my theme choices because i want japanese fonts |
| 09:05:54 | cara | the blue dream indeed is a nice one |
| 09:06:27 | w1ll14m | mikachu: ahh k :) |
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| 09:07:06 | Galois | I take whatever theme I want and hack up the graphics to fit the japanese fonts. This works as long as the original font was not _too_ small. |
| 09:08:01 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:08:06 | cara | wait, is that the only page for the nano? |
| 09:08:16 | Mikachu | not quite |
| 09:08:30 | Mikachu | http://rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=176x132x16 |
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| 09:08:44 | Mikachu | i think that's mostly the same ones though |
| 09:09:16 | cara | cool |
| 09:09:33 | cara | there are a few new ones there. but i guess the best one i think is the blue dream |
| 09:10:11 | cara | or the other one with the blue MacOS background |
| 09:10:19 | w1ll14m | cara: it's your choice :) |
| 09:10:27 | w1ll14m | cara: you can make custom backgrounds |
| 09:10:43 | cara | clix nano. |
| 09:10:51 | cara | yeah, i might look into making my own. |
| 09:11:03 | w1ll14m | cara: just play around with rockbox for a few days, and it will speak for it self |
| 09:11:05 | cara | then i can make bigger fonts... so my sister can see better |
| 09:11:19 | w1ll14m | cara: true theme.cfg there you can set a theme |
| 09:11:23 | cara | how long have you guys been using rock? |
| 09:11:23 | w1ll14m | a font |
| 09:11:26 | w1ll14m | *** |
| 09:11:35 | w1ll14m | cara: for over 3 months now |
| 09:11:39 | cara | cool' |
| 09:12:09 | * | w1ll14m is never EVER going back to OF |
| 09:13:12 | | Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 09:13:21 | w1ll14m | i have 2 ipod 5g's 1 30GB and 1 60GB, end of the month i'm going to bou a nano 2g 2gb to help porting rockbox to nano 2g |
| 09:13:32 | w1ll14m | bou=buy** |
| 09:13:38 | * | Bagder been in the rockbox state of mind since before there were ipods |
| 09:13:41 | cara | cool |
| 09:14:08 | cara | i got my ipod via ebay... it is actually for my sister... |
| 09:14:11 | DataGhost | you needn't buy an iPod for that w1ll14m |
| 09:14:17 | DataGhost | you can just download the firmware from apple |
| 09:14:30 | w1ll14m | dataghost: but i like to :) |
| 09:14:31 | cara | she is young... so i thought i wouldn't spend quite 250 dollars right now on her... |
| 09:14:41 | w1ll14m | cara: i can imagine |
| 09:14:54 | w1ll14m | cara: but what is young in your words? |
| 09:15:08 | cara | 14 |
| 09:15:09 | GodEater | didn't foopod do the whole "drag 'n' drop" and then rebuild the iTunes database on the iPod thing ? |
| 09:15:10 | cara | hehehehehhe |
| 09:15:12 | cara | :) |
| 09:15:15 | w1ll14m | hehehe i'm just 19 :) |
| 09:15:21 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 09:15:30 | cara | foodpod? |
| 09:15:39 | DataGhost | foo_pod? |
| 09:15:41 | GodEater | not foodpod, foodpod |
| 09:15:44 | DataGhost | it's foo_dop nowadays |
| 09:15:46 | GodEater | weARGH |
| 09:15:47 | w1ll14m | but indeed ... i woulnd't spend 250 dollars on my sister :) |
| 09:15:48 | cara | i should check this foodpod out too... |
| 09:15:49 | GodEater | that's the one |
| 09:15:54 | DataGhost | foo_pod is for 0.8.x :) |
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| 09:16:07 | GodEater | cara: foo_dop - google it |
| 09:16:11 | DataGhost | but I think it might do that yes |
| 09:16:11 | Galois | that approach requires using special software on the host machine, which your friend is not likely to have |
| 09:16:23 | DataGhost | I just use it to play / copy music FROM my iPod |
| 09:16:35 | GodEater | heh - a much better usage IMO |
| 09:16:40 | cara | yeah... i like the idea of taking the player with me and uploading songs from friends machine :) |
| 09:16:44 | cara | i think rockbox is the way to go |
| 09:16:45 | DataGhost | the only thing I have to put on my iPod sometimes are movies, which foo_dop can't handle |
| 09:16:56 | GodEater | at the moment :) |
| 09:17:04 | DataGhost | well I doubt that it ever will |
| 09:17:12 | DataGhost | foobar2000 is a music player, not a video player :P |
| 09:17:20 | GodEater | you make a salient point |
| 09:17:21 | DataGhost | so support for videos isn't that obvious |
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| 09:17:55 | GodEater | I never actually tried out foo_dop - I've no idea if it's any good |
| 09:18:02 | GodEater | or how long it takes to rebuild the database |
| 09:18:23 | DataGhost | iirc I've never used it to upload anything either :) |
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| 09:18:43 | * | w1ll14m runs to his bedroom, grabs his ipod and turns it on. Now it's time for a good wakeup song!!!! god damn.. i love hardcore |
| 09:18:44 | DataGhost | I just use iTunes on this PC |
| 09:18:53 | DataGhost | that'll keep references to my music and vids just fine |
| 09:19:07 | DataGhost | foobar2000 for actually playing music :) |
| 09:19:17 | DataGhost | and foo_dop so I can play music on my laptop while I'm away |
| 09:19:27 | GodEater | besides, it's too easy for Apple to keep introducing new fields into the iTunes database and breaking things |
| 09:19:32 | GodEater | rockbox makes life much easier ;) |
| 09:19:45 | DataGhost | not for 80GB owners :P |
| 09:19:48 | DataGhost | yet |
| 09:19:52 | GodEater | hehehe |
| 09:20:01 | * | GodEater cracks the whip over LinusN's back |
| 09:20:01 | DataGhost | hm, that reminds me |
| 09:20:01 | w1ll14m | GodEater: you are damn true!!! |
| 09:20:05 | DataGhost | today is my day off |
| 09:20:10 | DataGhost | maybe I should start working on the iPL kernel |
| 09:20:18 | cara | u think they will get rockbox running on a 80g and a nano 2nd generation soon? |
| 09:20:26 | GodEater | 80GB soon |
| 09:20:26 | DataGhost | 80G? yes |
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| 09:20:29 | DataGhost | nano 2G? no |
| 09:20:30 | w1ll14m | cara: we will see :) |
| 09:20:31 | GodEater | Nano 2nd Gen - no |
| 09:20:38 | DataGhost | not in a gazillion years if apple did their job properly |
| 09:20:41 | DataGhost | well |
| 09:20:54 | GodEater | "gazillion" may be a slight exageration |
| 09:20:58 | DataGhost | maybe in a gazillion years, with a huge distributed computing network bruteforcing |
| 09:21:02 | cara | really? how come not on the nano 2gn? not a big priority/users wanting it? |
| 09:21:04 | GodEater | but not in the foreseeable future |
| 09:21:07 | w1ll14m | DataGhost: it should be possible... (i hope) :) |
| 09:21:09 | DataGhost | cara encryption :) |
| 09:21:19 | w1ll14m | ow shit.... |
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| 09:21:25 | DataGhost | yes w1ll14m but if they use something like RSA it's pretty screwed |
| 09:21:25 | GodEater | it's not that we don't have users wanting it |
| 09:21:28 | cara | data, encryption is stronger on the 2ng generation? |
| 09:21:32 | DataGhost | pretty much screwed* |
| 09:21:33 | GodEater | we just don't have any developers that want it |
| 09:21:47 | DataGhost | cara I don't know anything about it |
| 09:21:51 | GodEater | or want it bad enough to make themselves cry cracking apple's encryption |
| 09:21:59 | DataGhost | I just know that I can make life worse than hell with the proper encryption |
| 09:22:07 | DataGhost | and if I can, imagine what Apple can do |
| 09:22:19 | Galois | I don't buy the RSA argument. Microsoft used 2048-bit RSA encryption for Xbox software, and people eventually hacked that. |
| 09:22:20 | DataGhost | really, if they use something like RSA with a huge keypair... |
| 09:22:22 | w1ll14m | dataghost: true |
| 09:22:24 | cara | heheheh.... so their encryption is that bad huh? |
| 09:22:33 | DataGhost | Galois then MS did a shitty job |
| 09:22:34 | w1ll14m | cara: indeed |
| 09:22:40 | DataGhost | if you see how RSA works... it's inherently safe |
| 09:22:57 | GodEater | I suspect they didn't do asymmetric encryption |
| 09:23:06 | cara | what do you guys say is a good mp3 player out there in the market that doesn't have all this stuff and is easy to crack? |
| 09:23:08 | crashd | it isn't inherently safe, it relies on something which could be trivialised |
| 09:23:08 | cara | zune? |
| 09:23:11 | GodEater | you'd burn half the nano's battery every time you turned it on doing the decrypt |
| 09:23:14 | DataGhost | if you give a device a public key (to decode the firmware) in flashrom there is almost no way to encrypt firmware in a way that makes it decryptable |
| 09:23:24 | GodEater | cara: Gigabeat |
| 09:23:24 | DataGhost | the only thing you might be able to do is replace the flashrom with another (or no) key |
| 09:23:32 | crashd | it's safe in the forseeable future, but that doesn't make it inherently safe : ) |
| 09:23:34 | w1ll14m | DataGhost: where can i get a copy of firmware from nano 2g? |
| 09:23:38 | cara | toshiba gigabet? really? |
| 09:23:48 | GodEater | yeah, the F or the X series |
| 09:23:49 | DataGhost | crashd using the proper keylength etc.. :P |
| 09:23:51 | GodEater | not the S |
| 09:23:55 | DataGhost | I just mean mathematically |
| 09:24:08 | GodEater | w1ll14m: look at the apple install forums |
| 09:24:09 | crashd | DataGhost: well, no, if the factoring of primes is trivialised, then RSA becomes useless |
| 09:24:17 | DataGhost | yes if that happens :P |
| 09:24:22 | GodEater | we've linked in there a few times to a site that offers all the apple firmwares for download |
| 09:24:27 | cara | BRB |
| 09:24:29 | Bagder | well, the sansa uses 160bit DSA signatures |
| 09:24:34 | crashd | so it isn't inherently safe, it relies on a set of conditions that are currently true |
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| 09:24:54 | Bagder | but still didn't require us to brute-force 160bit DSA |
| 09:25:09 | GodEater | the Mathemetician that comes up with a quick way of factoring primes is rich rich rich |
| 09:25:17 | w1ll14m | Godeater:thanx |
| 09:25:23 | crashd | GodEater: im not suggesting it'll happen |
| 09:25:23 | DataGhost | and he could be very dead also |
| 09:25:32 | DataGhost | depending on how he releases his information |
| 09:25:35 | DataGhost | and to whom |
| 09:25:37 | crashd | im just saying that it's not inherent on the algorithm |
| 09:25:47 | GodEater | and I agree |
| 09:25:49 | crashd | : ) |
| 09:25:49 | Bagder | indeed |
| 09:26:09 | DataGhost | anyway, to all that's known now, the best bet is to get the contents of the flashrom |
| 09:26:33 | GodEater | encryption is only as strong as it's weakest link, and if you want to crack it THAT bad, it's easier to find someone who knows the key and blowtorch their feet till they talk..... |
| 09:26:35 | DataGhost | and currently, that's not an option for me (I don't have a nano, let alone the proper equipment).. and for what I've read not actually for many living mortals |
| 09:26:45 | | Join LinusN [0] (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) |
| 09:26:45 | DataGhost | oh yes and someone in apple :P |
| 09:26:49 | Bagder | we need one of those big fat xbox sponsor donations to movitate peopel to go wild |
| 09:26:53 | Galois | the microsoft encryption was broken by finding a buffer overflow exploit in an existing game and loading code via that exploit (after loading the game itself, to pass through the RSA check) |
| 09:27:09 | DataGhost | ah yes Galois that's what "we're" hoping for, too |
| 09:27:16 | Galois | you can laugh all you want at microsoft, but I bet apple's OS has exploitable buffer overflows |
| 09:27:18 | DataGhost | as I just said, the best bet is the flashrom |
| 09:27:27 | Galois | all you need is one, in any previous released version |
| 09:27:32 | GodEater | no-one's found one on the 360 yet mind you |
| 09:27:34 | DataGhost | which is not really accessible from the hardware point of view (well, not easily) |
| 09:27:53 | Galois | this is not easy to do, but it's much easier than breaking the RSA via conventional means |
| 09:27:56 | DataGhost | so if you find a buffer overflow in the nano, you could theoretically (however, the hardware is unknown, too) dump the contents of the flashrom to the disk |
| 09:28:09 | GodEater | I'm wishing for someone to break the 360 - I want my XBMC360 now dammit! |
| 09:28:14 | DataGhost | hehe |
| 09:28:15 | Bagder | Galois: what makes you think it is RSA? |
| 09:28:23 | DataGhost | I just said that |
| 09:28:24 | DataGhost | as an example |
| 09:28:34 | Galois | well, I used RSA for the microsoft example. We know microsoft used RSA. |
| 09:28:45 | Bagder | where? |
| 09:28:52 | GodEater | in the Xbox apparently |
| 09:29:04 | GodEater | I didn't think they did, but I've not read up on it recently |
| 09:29:09 | Galois | we don't know what apple is using, but the same principle applies to any form of code authentication |
| 09:29:29 | evilg123 | I don't want to interupt any ongoing conversations, but I was wondering if I could ask for some help compiling a build, I've posted in the appropriate forum so I'm Ok with waiting |
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| 09:30:13 | GodEater | Bagder: I mended my router config by the way now. corkscrew works a treat. |
| 09:30:20 | Bagder | neato |
| 09:30:33 | DataGhost | anyway, I guess it's pretty useless without the flashrom |
| 09:30:43 | DataGhost | for all I know, Apple applied caesar-1 on the encrypted firmware |
| 09:30:51 | GodEater | hahahaha |
| 09:30:54 | DataGhost | good luck guessing that :P |
| 09:31:13 | * | GodEater grabs his Nano2 firmware and starts rotating it one byte at a time |
| 09:31:22 | DataGhost | hehe |
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| 09:31:39 | Bagder | well, those simple ones should be easy to exclude |
| 09:31:46 | w1ll14m | GodEater: where did you got yours ? |
| 09:31:52 | GodEater | imagine how embarassed they'd be if they really did use something so simple |
| 09:31:58 | GodEater | w1ll14m: I jest - I've not downloaded it |
| 09:32:07 | DataGhost | no I meant... apply caesar-1 to the ENCRYPTED firmware |
| 09:32:07 | w1ll14m | god damn ... can't find it :| |
| 09:32:09 | DataGhost | so 2 'encryptions' |
| 09:32:19 | Bagder | ah |
| 09:32:19 | DataGhost | that would make the problem a lot bigger |
| 09:32:21 | w1ll14m | GodEater:url ? |
| 09:32:21 | GodEater | w1ll14m: hang on - I'll get you the link again |
| 09:32:25 | w1ll14m | thanx |
| 09:32:28 | LinusN | well, if all they want is dmca protection, i guess caesar-1 is sufficient |
| 09:32:30 | DataGhost | since you'd have to figure out that they did that and THEN crack the code |
| 09:33:14 | DataGhost | the good news is that this probably won't happen on older iPods |
| 09:33:21 | DataGhost | since that would immediately reveal everything :) |
| 09:33:23 | | Join MonkeyTamer [0] (n=chatzill@207.62.156.85) |
| 09:33:28 | GodEater | w1ll14m: http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ |
| 09:33:32 | | Quit midgey () |
| 09:33:34 | w1ll14m | thanx |
| 09:34:00 | DataGhost | All I found in the firmware was a bunch of xml files and WAVs :( |
| 09:34:07 | DataGhost | some sports thing or something |
| 09:34:28 | w1ll14m | atleat it's a zip |
| 09:35:03 | w1ll14m | "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd"> |
| 09:35:04 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 09:35:09 | w1ll14m | manifest.plist |
| 09:35:20 | w1ll14m | {{~~ /−−−−-\ {{~~ / \ {{~~| | {{~~| S T O P | {{~~| | {{~~ \ / {{~~ \−−−−-/ Copyright(C) 2001 Apple Computer, Inc.−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−− |
| 09:35:22 | Bagder | I like the beginning of the Firmware-19.8.1.1 |
| 09:35:30 | Bagder | hehe |
| 09:35:32 | | Join n1s [0] (n=nils@nl104-202-175.student.uu.se) |
| 09:35:43 | GodEater | it looks best in a hex editor |
| 09:35:44 | DataGhost | w1ll14m use a hex editor |
| 09:35:47 | GodEater | it lines up nicely |
| 09:35:47 | w1ll14m | k |
| 09:35:48 | DataGhost | hehe |
| 09:35:50 | | Join DerPapst [0] (n=DerPapst@p54BD2FB6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:35:54 | DataGhost | not by definition GodEater |
| 09:35:55 | DerPapst | good evening |
| 09:35:56 | Bagder | hexdump -C is your friend |
| 09:36:00 | DataGhost | I changed mine to 32 bytes per line |
| 09:36:06 | DataGhost | big screen so I could see more :P |
| 09:36:08 | GodEater | by default in most hex editors ;P |
| 09:36:11 | DataGhost | hehe |
| 09:36:17 | n1s | Bagder: did you see my lang problem? |
| 09:36:18 | w1ll14m | {{~~ /−−−−-\ {{~~ / \ {{~~| | {{~~| S T O P | {{~~| | {{~~ \ / {{~~ \−−−−-/ Copyright(C) 2001 Apple Computer, Inc.−−−−−−−−−− |
| 09:36:21 | w1ll14m | euhmmm ... ;) |
| 09:36:29 | GodEater | morep people should use ascii art in their firmwares |
| 09:36:33 | Bagder | n1s: nope |
| 09:36:48 | w1ll14m | switched to ascii |
| 09:36:54 | w1ll14m | i use total commander ;) |
| 09:37:17 | n1s | Bagder: Basically if : none is used to remove a string the order of the strings in the .lng file is wrong. |
| 09:37:21 | DerPapst | heh.. (C) 2001 ^^ |
| 09:38:09 | Bagder | n1s: none should not be used if you want to remain "compatible", iirc. You should use DEPRECATED |
| 09:38:59 | w1ll14m | DNANsoso P Xa v»Į$ LŅz DNANdpua Ąa } |
| 09:39:11 | n1s | yes, but in the cleanup patch, none is used in lots of places for example for swcodec only strings, it works fine for the built in strings but the .lng's are broken |
| 09:39:24 | * | DerPapst wonders if 2001 is changed to 2007 whether that will break loading the fw. |
| 09:39:26 | Bagder | DNAN being NAND backwards (due to endian I guess) |
| 09:39:37 | w1ll14m | badger i think so :) |
| 09:39:44 | Bagder | n1s: oh... |
| 09:39:46 | w1ll14m | as 5g firmware is |
| 09:39:50 | w1ll14m | !ATAsoso D tr Äż+° |!ATAcrsr ŗr P ß^° |!ATAdpua ¼Ā d õ° | |
| 09:39:55 | w1ll14m | should be ATA! |
| 09:40:08 | w1ll14m | so it is indeed backwards |
| 09:40:33 | DataGhost | keyword: endianity |
| 09:41:00 | DataGhost | and watch out with copypasting 'firmware' on IRC |
| 09:41:15 | DataGhost | it might contain control characters which might in turn trigger some bot, kicking you for using 'color' or whatever :P |
| 09:41:15 | GodEater | yes - please refrain |
| 09:41:27 | DataGhost | or loads of \n |
| 09:41:32 | DataGhost | you don't want that, believe me :P |
| 09:41:42 | Mikachu | DataGhost: freenode has +c which just silently strips color codes |
| 09:41:45 | n1s | Bagder: the strange thing is that even if I do h300: "foo" *: none it breaks the .lng built for h300 too. |
| 09:41:52 | DataGhost | oh it's enabled here.. ok :) |
| 09:42:08 | Bagder | n1s: sounds like a... bug ;-) |
| 09:42:14 | DataGhost | quakenet has that too.. and all unrealircds too, afaik. but I just didn't pay attention to the current channelmodes :P |
| 09:42:33 | DerPapst | sure? |
| 09:42:40 | | Join peppot [0] (i=odd@gl177a.glassen.ac) |
| 09:42:40 | Mikachu | i think on most other networks it blocks the whole message |
| 09:42:45 | peppot | hello :) |
| 09:42:54 | DataGhost | oh and Bagder already said something about endianity.. I wansn't reading, either :) |
| 09:42:59 | Bagder | "color codes" being one of the most stupid things every introduced in IRC |
| 09:42:59 | peppot | I've ended up with an 80GB iPod |
| 09:43:05 | Bagder | (and by mIRC it was) |
| 09:43:11 | DataGhost | it's not in the RFC :P |
| 09:43:12 | peppot | are they on their way to be supported, or is it out of the question? |
| 09:43:14 | GodEater | Bagder - not quite as stupid as Microsoft's "comic chat" |
| 09:43:28 | DataGhost | even CTCP and DCC have their own RFC, afaik. they are still not pure IRC |
| 09:43:32 | Bagder | GodEater: at least they tried to do it by the standards way |
| 09:43:37 | GodEater | peppot: the solution has been found - we're just implementing it |
| 09:43:48 | peppot | GodEater: fantastic! |
| 09:43:51 | GodEater | and by "we" I mean LinusN |
| 09:43:53 | Bagder | DataGhost: no they're not in any RFC outside the original rfc one |
| 09:43:53 | GodEater | :) |
| 09:44:04 | peppot | what's the address of the New Ports forum? |
| 09:44:06 | DataGhost | hm? hmmm |
| 09:44:10 | * | DataGhost looks up 1459 |
| 09:44:22 | GodEater | peppot: can you not just start from forums.rockbox.org ? |
| 09:44:26 | MonkeyTamer | check the phonebook |
| 09:44:38 | peppot | GodEater: lol, didn't even see that link, sorry |
| 09:44:50 | GodEater | so few people do.... |
| 09:45:24 | DataGhost | hm indeed. I thought that was an RFC I was looking at back then |
| 09:45:45 | DataGhost | it was just some monospaced, 80-byte-line file |
| 09:46:27 | DataGhost | shame that it was closed, too |
| 09:46:33 | DataGhost | but there isn't really any progress at the moment anyway |
| 09:46:48 | Bagder | all irc networks run their own ways these days |
| 09:47:34 | Bagder | I like how my "IRC history" page talks about "future" and mentions two projects that started and died in 97 and 98 ... :-O |
| 09:47:41 | DataGhost | :P |
| 09:47:46 | GodEater | hehe |
| 09:47:51 | Mikachu | you are old Bagder :) |
| 09:47:57 | DataGhost | 98... that was the year I got my first e-mail address |
| 09:47:59 | DataGhost | at yahoo |
| 09:48:00 | Bagder | I should go and have my lunch nap now |
| 09:48:02 | DataGhost | it still exists :P |
| 09:48:10 | DataGhost | I might be one of the oldest yahoo members |
| 09:48:18 | * | GodEater gots his first email address in '92 |
| 09:48:28 | Mikachu | my brother has a 6digit icq number, mine is 8 :( |
| 09:48:35 | DataGhost | lol |
| 09:48:38 | DataGhost | I had multiple |
| 09:48:40 | GodEater | mine's 7 |
| 09:48:42 | Mikachu | don't people get 10 nowadays though? |
| 09:48:43 | DataGhost | but I kept forgetting them |
| 09:48:45 | GodEater | but I don't use it much |
| 09:48:47 | DataGhost | mine is 9 now :( |
| 09:48:53 | Mikachu | (does anyone still use icq?) |
| 09:48:53 | GodEater | I have a *four* digit slashdot id though |
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| 09:48:58 | DataGhost | yes :) |
| 09:48:58 | Bagder | icq is too new for me ;-) |
| 09:49:27 | * | DerPapst still uses icq ;) |
| 09:49:34 | GodEater | and positive karma too |
| 09:49:37 | DerPapst | 7 digits btw :P |
| 09:49:58 | * | GodEater wonders if he can still remember his icq password |
| 09:50:04 | DataGhost | that was my problem, too |
| 09:50:09 | | Quit pondlife (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 09:50:12 | DataGhost | the 'send my password' thingy never worked |
| 09:50:13 | DerPapst | type it in here and i'll test it |
| 09:50:16 | DataGhost | hehe |
| 09:50:31 | GodEater | uh ok |
| 09:50:32 | DataGhost | you do know that when you type your password on irc it appears as stars to everyone else? |
| 09:50:34 | GodEater | 1234567 |
| 09:50:35 | GodEater | :P |
| 09:50:36 | DataGhost | like this: ********** |
| 09:50:44 | DataGhost | :P |
| 09:50:45 | GodEater | bash.org strikes again |
| 09:50:45 | Mikachu | haha |
| 09:50:52 | DataGhost | damn GodEater :) |
| 09:50:55 | GodEater | hehehehe |
| 09:50:56 | Mikachu | "omg press alt+z for a cool easter egg in mirc" |
| 09:51:02 | DataGhost | hah I disabled that |
| 09:51:09 | DataGhost | Now Playing: 9696. Sevendust - [(1997) Sevendust #03] Terminator (03:14/04:54, 192Kbps, mp3) <- ctrl alt z |
| 09:51:15 | GodEater | got caught out too many times huh ? |
| 09:51:16 | DataGhost | occasionally, ctrl doesn't work |
| 09:51:18 | DataGhost | :P |
| 09:51:25 | GodEater | | . |
| 09:51:27 | DataGhost | alt fxfighter is nice too |
| 09:51:33 | Mikachu | | |
| 09:51:36 | DataGhost | I found out that it doesn't work as well in a dutch chatroom |
| 09:51:37 | * | Mikachu accepts the pong challenge |
| 09:51:38 | GodEater | you missed! |
| 09:51:41 | Mikachu | . | |
| 09:51:46 | GodEater | | . |
| 09:51:53 | Mikachu | no, intermediate frame! . | |
| 09:52:01 | scorche | _._ |
| 09:52:03 | GodEater | . | |
| 09:52:07 | GodEater | damn |
| 09:52:07 | Mikachu | yay |
| 09:52:10 | Mikachu | take this : | |
| 09:52:11 | DataGhost | Æ-Æ |
| 09:52:14 | GodEater | tha'ts enough of that |
| 09:52:18 | Mikachu | ;) yeah |
| 09:52:23 | DerPapst | hahahaha |
| 09:52:41 | * | GodEater has never seen pong with two balls |
| 09:52:54 | DerPapst | that was überpong |
| 09:52:57 | DataGhost | I have |
| 09:53:03 | GodEater | well I have now |
| 09:53:11 | DataGhost | I also played 8-player-pong once |
| 09:53:16 | JdGordon | n1s: re 6624, the create directory and paste menu items are the only ones that make sense when you go context menu in a empty dir yeah? |
| 09:53:17 | DataGhost | with multiball and everything |
| 09:53:18 | DerPapst | lol |
| 09:53:19 | GodEater | O.o |
| 09:53:21 | JdGordon | ... should be easy to fix |
| 09:53:29 | DataGhost | that was a demo for the 'wunderwall' or something like that... |
| 09:53:36 | DataGhost | with controllers somewhat like the wii |
| 09:53:36 | * | GodEater spots on topic talk again |
| 09:53:42 | DataGhost | but better and with more players :) |
| 09:54:22 | | Quit MonkeyTamer ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") |
| 09:54:59 | * | GodEater wonders if anything from #rockbox ever made it to bash.org |
| 09:55:10 | * | DataGhost submits |
| 09:55:27 | GodEater | won't get many votes if it's not uberfunny |
| 09:55:38 | * | DerPapst wants to have the link then |
| 09:55:47 | DataGhost | yeah indeed.. never mind then :P |
| 09:55:54 | scorche | we have our own... |
| 09:55:59 | scorche | GoldenQuotes |
| 09:56:09 | GodEater | yeah - I made it on there recently ;) |
| 09:56:17 | GodEater | I feel validated - people think I'm funny! |
| 09:56:35 | DataGhost | heh |
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| 09:57:00 | DataGhost | maybe it was google, indexing your 'vote funny' page :P |
| 09:57:01 | * | DataGhost runs |
| 09:57:14 | GodEater | :P |
| 09:58:07 | Bagder | the GoldenQuotes is a good page to read once in a while to cheer you up |
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| 10:01:06 | DataGhost | anyway, I'm off for a long, hot shower :) |
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| 10:06:30 | Landus | Anyone awake? |
| 10:07:38 | GodEater | some of us |
| 10:07:43 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 10:08:39 | GodEater | not me though - I'm sleep-ircing |
| 10:08:53 | Landus | I noticed there was a change to the h300 so I updated my source. |
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| 10:09:32 | Landus | Apparently CVS isn't being used. Something SVN is, but I've been grabbing the latest CVS version and compiling with cygwin. |
| 10:09:55 | scorche | then install SVN |
| 10:09:56 | Landus | I can't seem to use the syn command in cygwin and I can't find anything that helps. |
| 10:10:09 | Bagder | svn is the name of the command |
| 10:10:14 | Bagder | subversion is the name of the cygwin package |
| 10:10:16 | scorche | you have to re-run the setup to install subversion |
| 10:10:33 | Landus | I'm not completely clueless to unix commands. It's more installing new things for cygwin. |
| 10:10:36 | petur | or get tortoisesvn |
| 10:10:50 | Landus | I did. The command still isn't recognized. |
| 10:11:46 | n1s | JdGordon: I'd say so yes (and of course paste only when somethinhg's in the clipboard) |
| 10:12:24 | GodEater | Landus: which version of subversion did you install ? |
| 10:12:36 | JdGordon | n1s: you were too slow... fixed in svn already :) |
| 10:12:37 | Landus | Let me check. |
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| 10:13:42 | Landus | Hrm. |
| 10:14:06 | scorche | we really need to link that whole thread by blue45 rather than just that one post....that was a golden thread if there ever was one |
| 10:14:14 | Landus | There isn't a subversion tarball in the rockbox cygwin mirror, is there? |
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| 10:17:31 | n1s | JdGordon: yeps, ircing in the shower is kind of hard with my desktop computer tho... and thanks for fixing :-) |
| 10:17:39 | JdGordon | does anyone remember the outcome of the discussion we had ages ago about having a proper start screen? was it a good idea as long as someone could be bothered coding it? |
| 10:17:46 | JdGordon | haha :) |
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| 10:18:47 | GodEater | didn't the GB guys already do one ? |
| 10:18:47 | linuxstb | Bagder: Could you do the necessary with yet another new version of ipodpatcher? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-0.7.zip |
| 10:18:51 | petur | JdGordon: you mean this virtual root thing? |
| 10:18:57 | GodEater | or did they do it in a way that was completely not portable ? |
| 10:19:09 | n1s | JdGordon: I think it was kind of agreed on to have a "root menu" but it was a must that it was possible to set it to start in the file browser etc. the discussion should be in the logs somewhere and should probably be wikified... |
| 10:19:11 | GodEater | oh - you don't mean a splash screen |
| 10:19:11 | LinusN | i like the virtual root idea |
| 10:19:28 | LinusN | but it requires some internal code restructuring |
| 10:19:29 | JdGordon | ok |
| 10:19:30 | * | petur does too |
| 10:20:21 | JdGordon | well! im going to see how hard it would be if someone doesnt have a look at the menu restructure patch! :p |
| 10:20:31 | LinusN | speaking of features, what's the status of the REP? |
| 10:20:45 | JdGordon | REP? |
| 10:20:54 | LinusN | recording enhancement pack |
| 10:21:00 | JdGordon | ah |
| 10:21:27 | petur | best to ask Mmmm, I think most stuff is visual (histogram, larger fonts,...) |
| 10:22:32 | petur | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2513.0 (first page) has an overview |
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| 10:32:30 | * | w1ll14m is going to play with ida pro |
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| 10:37:47 | hachi | I'm a virtual root menu |
| 10:40:29 | bluebrother | why not replace the "recording screen at startup" option with a "screen X at startup"? |
| 10:41:17 | petur | well if all those screens are below the virtual root, we'll have an option to start in one of those or the root |
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| 10:42:48 | * | bluebrother wants to be able to always start in the file browser |
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| 10:45:41 | n1s | bluebrother: AFAIU that's planned |
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| 10:50:03 | JdGordon | bluebrother: yeah hopefully, you will be able to start in any of the "main" screens, or whichever was the last one you were in... |
| 10:50:16 | JdGordon | file browser code is horrible :'( |
| 10:50:43 | w1ll14m | anyone here with a nano 2g ? |
| 10:50:47 | w1ll14m | and linux ? |
| 10:50:53 | * | bluebrother wishes to have more time to look into stuff himself |
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| 10:53:41 | linuxstb | w1ll14m: Yes, somewhere... |
| 10:54:17 | w1ll14m | ok, can you get me a dump from firmware partition ? |
| 10:55:01 | linuxstb | You don't need me for that - http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ |
| 10:55:29 | w1ll14m | is a firmware file identical to firmware partition ? |
| 10:55:34 | linuxstb | The .ipsw file you download from there is a zip file, unzip it and you get the image of the firmware partition. |
| 10:55:57 | linuxstb | Yes - you just "dd" that image to your ipod to install the firmware. |
| 10:56:06 | w1ll14m | ok thanx :) i knew it was a zip, but i didn't that the .1 file was a firmware ;) |
| 10:56:21 | w1ll14m | linuxstb: i don't want to dd my ipod 5g with this ;) |
| 10:56:33 | linuxstb | The unzipped file is called "Firmware-X.Y.Z"... |
| 10:56:41 | w1ll14m | correcft |
| 10:56:44 | w1ll14m | correct* |
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| 10:57:30 | * | GodEater whoops. Got my ssh tunnel going so I can check out at work now! |
| 10:57:50 | linuxstb | Shouldn't you be working at work? :) |
| 10:58:00 | linuxstb | (like the rest of us do....) |
| 10:58:13 | GodEater | technically yes.... |
| 10:58:19 | scorche | speak for yourself! |
| 10:58:24 | w1ll14m | linuxstb: i'm not allowed to work for 3 days... went to docter yesterday :) |
| 10:58:29 | GodEater | but it's a slack day - and there's huge upheavals over the road - so no-one will notice. |
| 10:58:40 | w1ll14m | i have an internal infection on my right thumb.... |
| 10:58:54 | Mikachu | hm, the 2g has voice support? |
| 10:58:57 | w1ll14m | :) |
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| 10:59:30 | w1ll14m | ok, i've got the osos rsrc and aupd out of the image :) |
| 10:59:39 | linuxstb | Mikachu: The Nike stuff on all Nanos has voice - at least, there are lots of wav files stored in the rsrc image... |
| 10:59:58 | Mikachu | ah, that must be it |
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| 11:00:08 | Mikachu | i'm just looking at it for fun |
| 11:00:09 | linuxstb | With celebrity sports people telling you you've just run a new personal best.... |
| 11:00:47 | GodEater | oh lord, really ? |
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| 11:00:50 | Mikachu | useful |
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| 11:01:27 | linuxstb | Extract the rsrc image from the firmware, strip of the first (I think) 512 bytes, then mount it as a fat filesystem... |
| 11:01:44 | w1ll14m | ok, how to strip first 512 butes? |
| 11:01:48 | w1ll14m | bytes* |
| 11:01:52 | GodEater | w1ll14m: dd |
| 11:01:55 | w1ll14m | k |
| 11:02:06 | linuxstb | dd if=rsrc.bin of=rsrc2.bin skip=1 |
| 11:02:22 | linuxstb | (default blocksize is 512 bytes) |
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| 11:02:50 | w1ll14m | 32775+0 records in |
| 11:02:54 | w1ll14m | 32775+0 records out |
| 11:02:58 | w1ll14m | 16780800 bytes (17 MB) copied, 0.324297 seconds, 51.7 MB/s |
| 11:03:00 | w1ll14m | done :) |
| 11:03:08 | linuxstb | Thanks for that... |
| 11:03:19 | w1ll14m | ow yeah ... sorry the paste :) |
| 11:03:25 | w1ll14m | forgot for a sec..... |
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| 11:07:00 | w1ll14m | linuxstb: how to mount the rsrc image ? mount -t fat -o loop rsrc.fw /mnt/ipod/ doens't work for me... |
| 11:07:44 | linuxstb | Try "-t vfat" |
| 11:07:56 | w1ll14m | wrong fstype |
| 11:07:57 | GodEater | don't you have to have done losetup first too ? |
| 11:08:02 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:08:09 | w1ll14m | losetup ???? |
| 11:08:10 | Mikachu | mount does that for you |
| 11:08:14 | w1ll14m | ok |
| 11:08:14 | linuxstb | What does the command "file rsrc.fw" tell you? |
| 11:08:19 | GodEater | I'm so out of touch ;) |
| 11:08:27 | w1ll14m | rsrc.fw: MPEG ADTS, layer I, v1, Monaural |
| 11:08:35 | w1ll14m | lol................... |
| 11:08:55 | linuxstb | Then you need to strip more header (or maybe less...). Look at the image in a hex editor (I use xxd). |
| 11:09:27 | linuxstb | How did you extract the image? |
| 11:09:46 | w1ll14m | compiled extract2g |
| 11:09:57 | w1ll14m | and it found those images and extracted |
| 11:10:21 | linuxstb | I've no idea what that program is. What does "file" tell you for the original image it extracted? |
| 11:10:40 | w1ll14m | http://www.pastebin.ca/342471 |
| 11:10:46 | w1ll14m | linuxstb: the same |
| 11:10:58 | w1ll14m | rsrc.fw.old: MPEG ADTS, layer I, v1, Monaural |
| 11:11:17 | linuxstb | Do the two files differ? |
| 11:12:14 | w1ll14m | diff rsrc.fw rsrc.fw.old |
| 11:12:19 | w1ll14m | Files rsrc.fw and rsrc.fw.old differ |
| 11:12:29 | w1ll14m | -rw-r−−r−− 1 root root 16780800 Feb 6 11:57 rsrc.fw |
| 11:12:29 | w1ll14m | -rw-r−−r−− 1 root root 16781312 Feb 6 11:57 rsrc.fw.old |
| 11:14:11 | linuxstb | Look inside the file for the string "MTOOL", that should be the start of the disk image (rounded to 512 bytes). |
| 11:14:26 | w1ll14m | linuxstb: let me check |
| 11:15:21 | w1ll14m | 00000c00 |
| 11:15:46 | w1ll14m | from the patched file |
| 11:15:57 | w1ll14m | the original: 00000E00 |
| 11:18:08 | Mikachu | attaboy_lance_0000_voi lol |
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| 11:19:37 | * | linuxstb afk |
| 11:19:38 | w1ll14m | dd if=rsrc.fw.old of=rsrc.fw skip=7 |
| 11:19:55 | w1ll14m | mtool is now at 00000000 |
| 11:20:17 | w1ll14m | mount ok |
| 11:20:35 | w1ll14m | now i'm in /mnt/ipod |
| 11:20:52 | Mikachu | exciting!! |
| 11:20:57 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 11:21:16 | w1ll14m | <!−− Lance Armstrong attaboy voice file−−> |
| 11:21:24 | w1ll14m | attaboy_lance_0000_voi.xml |
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| 11:26:16 | DataGhost | meh |
| 11:26:25 | DataGhost | you just extracted rsrc+aupd? |
| 11:26:32 | w1ll14m | yes |
| 11:26:35 | w1ll14m | and osos |
| 11:26:36 | DataGhost | and I did all calculations to extract just rsrc :( |
| 11:26:47 | DataGhost | but as I said it's pretty useless ;) |
| 11:26:52 | w1ll14m | i know ;) |
| 11:27:08 | w1ll14m | just playing around |
| 11:28:15 | w1ll14m | how would an ipod decrypt the encrypted files via it's hardware ? |
| 11:28:23 | DataGhost | just decrypt |
| 11:28:26 | DataGhost | nothing special to it |
| 11:28:30 | w1ll14m | ahh k |
| 11:28:37 | DataGhost | it'll then load the decrypted firmware into RAM as it would with unencrypted firmware |
| 11:28:55 | w1ll14m | ok |
| 11:29:03 | DataGhost | and aupd contains exactly the code to decrypt, if guesses are correct |
| 11:29:08 | DataGhost | but that's just as encrypted as osos :P |
| 11:29:23 | w1ll14m | indeed..... |
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| 11:36:29 | GodEater | distributed.net project to crack it anyone ? |
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| 11:36:51 | w1ll14m | maybe it's a good idea... but if you read it there, it can take upto a year |
| 11:37:10 | GodEater | might take even longer |
| 11:37:20 | GodEater | there's no guarantees with brute forcing something |
| 11:37:26 | GodEater | or it might only take a day |
| 11:37:42 | w1ll14m | why not :) |
| 11:37:42 | testybirch | Hi, I was searching for the disk tidy source, didn't find it in the rockbox 2.5 source. Where can I get it? |
| 11:37:50 | scorche | GodEater: try to get someone to donate a few FPGAs for you ;) |
| 11:38:08 | w1ll14m | FPGA's ? |
| 11:38:15 | GodEater | Field Programmable Gate Arrays |
| 11:38:35 | GodEater | scorche: I wouldn't know what to do with them when I got them :) |
| 11:38:47 | w1ll14m | ahh k |
| 11:39:01 | scorche | put them in a box, and let it get a crackin ;) |
| 11:39:09 | GodEater | testybirch: get the source from svn |
| 11:39:15 | GodEater | 2.5 is OLD |
| 11:39:22 | testybirch | Thanks |
| 11:41:22 | w1ll14m | GodEater: how would you set up a distributed.net project ? |
| 11:42:15 | GodEater | w1ll14m: wish I knew - I'm not crypto expert |
| 11:42:21 | GodEater | s/not/no |
| 11:42:25 | w1ll14m | because if we would do this with all guys from rockbox and ipl etc |
| 11:42:29 | w1ll14m | whaha k ;) |
| 11:42:33 | w1ll14m | i'm not too ;) |
| 11:42:47 | w1ll14m | then we need someone who has cryptic knownledge ;) |
| 11:42:53 | GodEater | despite owning and having read Schneir's Applied Cryptography, AND Practical Cryptography |
| 11:42:58 | GodEater | which just made my head hurt |
| 11:43:22 | w1ll14m | hehehehe i understand :() |
| 11:43:23 | w1ll14m | :) |
| 11:43:33 | scorche | unless we had quite a few users, FPGAs would be quite a bit faster...but much more expensive |
| 11:44:10 | DataGhost | aupd is encrypted on every recent update, right? |
| 11:45:07 | w1ll14m | then where would they store the decryption codes? |
| 11:45:15 | DataGhost | in the flashrom |
| 11:45:23 | DataGhost | and maybe I can just dump that |
| 11:45:23 | DataGhost | :P |
| 11:45:33 | w1ll14m | hmm how would you dump the flash rom ? |
| 11:45:34 | DataGhost | I have no clue how, though. So I'll have to just try something |
| 11:45:52 | DataGhost | but if I have both the encrypted and decrypted stuff, that *might* be of some help |
| 11:46:15 | w1ll14m | what kind of decrypted stuff / |
| 11:46:16 | w1ll14m | ? |
| 11:46:18 | DataGhost | so if it's encrypted with every recent iPod (which happens, afaik, not only on the nano) |
| 11:46:29 | testybirch | Are yout talking of implementing a crypt function to rockbox? |
| 11:46:39 | DataGhost | and if I can manage to get the algorithm used |
| 11:46:45 | DataGhost | that might be the key to decoding the nano firmware |
| 11:46:45 | DataGhost | :) |
| 11:47:12 | w1ll14m | ok sounds good... tesybirch we are trying to decrypt firmware from nano 2g |
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| 11:47:42 | w1ll14m | Dataghost: how would you manage to get the algorithm ? |
| 11:48:13 | DataGhost | I don't know |
| 11:48:22 | w1ll14m | hmmm then we are stuck there ;) |
| 11:48:26 | DataGhost | I do know that it should be a lot easier with both the encrypted and decrypted firmware |
| 11:48:33 | DataGhost | and as I see it now, the 5.5G aupd is just as encrypted |
| 11:48:40 | DataGhost | so the firmware should decrypt it |
| 11:48:40 | testybirch | too bad |
| 11:48:50 | DataGhost | and I should be able to dump the flashrom from my 5.5G |
| 11:48:55 | DataGhost | which should contain the algorithm/key |
| 11:48:59 | w1ll14m | maybe we can get keys out of a 5.5g |
| 11:49:08 | w1ll14m | damn :) we are thinking the same ;) |
| 11:49:15 | DataGhost | I'm just not sure what the flashrom would look like |
| 11:49:21 | DerPapst | lol ^ |
| 11:49:23 | w1ll14m | hehe lol |
| 11:49:24 | DataGhost | now I'm just reading from 0x00h |
| 11:49:36 | DataGhost | since RAM only starts from 0x10000000h |
| 11:49:49 | w1ll14m | why don't dump the whole rom.... |
| 11:49:50 | DerPapst | DatGhost: there is a tool for dumping the flashrom in iPL SVN |
| 11:50:03 | DataGhost | oh |
| 11:50:05 | DataGhost | ok |
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| 11:50:07 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 11:50:11 | DataGhost | I was just reading that devblog page |
| 11:50:17 | w1ll14m | haha |
| 11:50:25 | DataGhost | with the beeping-thing :) but it doesn't contain instructions |
| 11:50:34 | w1ll14m | hehehe |
| 11:50:37 | DataGhost | so I modified my loader again to just dump whatever from memory 0x00h and so on :) |
| 11:50:50 | DataGhost | I did get something that said 'portalplayer' so I'm not sure what I dumped exactly |
| 11:50:58 | DerPapst | http://svn.ipodlinux.org/tools/getflash/ |
| 11:51:12 | DataGhost | and dumping the whole memory range would give me a 4GB file w1ll14m |
| 11:51:29 | DataGhost | also, I'm doing that from a loader, not from linux. I don't think linux will let me do that |
| 11:51:32 | w1ll14m | :| how come ? |
| 11:51:50 | DataGhost | because if any process can dump the entire memory just like that, it can read memory from other processes |
| 11:51:58 | DataGhost | I think I did do it once, though. |
| 11:52:02 | DataGhost | on my server |
| 11:52:04 | w1ll14m | ahh ok//// |
| 11:52:12 | DerPapst | you dan dump the flashrom with http://svn.ipodlinux.org/tools/getflash/ in iPL |
| 11:52:22 | DataGhost | but that would just dump the addressable memory w1ll14m :) |
| 11:52:26 | DataGhost | yeah I'm going to do that DerPapst :P |
| 11:52:47 | w1ll14m | DataGhost: i hop it's usefull :) |
| 11:52:49 | w1ll14m | hope |
| 11:52:57 | DataGhost | it's at 0x20000000? :o |
| 11:53:06 | DataGhost | I want to see that in my loader first |
| 11:53:10 | DataGhost | so my work isn't useless :P |
| 11:53:37 | w1ll14m | ..// map the Flash ROM to 0x20000000 |
| 11:53:51 | w1ll14m | i think it is .... |
| 11:53:56 | w1ll14m | as of 1 till 5g |
| 11:54:32 | DataGhost | yeah I read that in that source |
| 11:54:39 | w1ll14m | me too :) |
| 11:54:48 | DataGhost | hey |
| 11:54:49 | DataGhost | crash :o |
| 11:54:53 | w1ll14m | ? |
| 11:55:36 | DataGhost | my loader |
| 11:55:41 | w1ll14m | ow ok |
| 11:55:57 | w1ll14m | do ipod update their rom ? |
| 11:57:50 | w1ll14m | brb |
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| 12:03:31 | w1ll14m | back |
| 12:04:16 | DataGhost | hm |
| 12:04:20 | DataGhost | DerPapst linux seems to crash also |
| 12:04:36 | DataGhost | did they protect the flashrom? :/ |
| 12:04:47 | w1ll14m | hmmm could be..... |
| 12:05:01 | w1ll14m | but then they can't update it either |
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| 12:05:13 | w1ll14m | unless it's a software protection |
| 12:06:31 | DerPapst | maybe it's different on 5.5G iPods. i remember jeffb in #ipl managed to dump his flashrom |
| 12:06:39 | DataGhost | hm |
| 12:06:55 | DataGhost | well, reading 0x20000000 in my loader causes my iPod to reboot |
| 12:06:57 | DerPapst | but he run the kernel with a ramdisk |
| 12:07:04 | DataGhost | and in Linux, the backlight turns off and it just hangs |
| 12:07:42 | DerPapst | hmm... maybe it's mapped somewhere else? |
| 12:08:15 | DataGhost | yes it is actually |
| 12:08:17 | DataGhost | reading the code |
| 12:08:22 | DataGhost | he maps it to 0x20000000 |
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| 12:11:31 | DerPapst | jeffb got the flshrom dump then frome someone elses 5.5G 30GB iPod.. so i think it sould work |
| 12:11:50 | DerPapst | maybe asl a macpod owner to try it. |
| 12:11:54 | testybirch | Is it possible to configure the disktidy plugin for deleting specific folders and filetypes by securely overwriting them? |
| 12:11:56 | DerPapst | 'ask |
| 12:12:08 | testybirch | like in 3 or 4 rounds |
| 12:12:13 | w1ll14m | i love music so much !!!!! http://www.laaudiofile.com/images/z5500.jpg |
| 12:12:49 | DerPapst | ^ lol |
| 12:12:51 | w1ll14m | :) |
| 12:13:25 | w1ll14m | testybirch: i think you will need to code it |
| 12:13:31 | w1ll14m | if you want it |
| 12:14:12 | DataGhost | nah, I think I know why my loader keeps crashing |
| 12:14:24 | w1ll14m | why ? |
| 12:14:26 | DataGhost | it's got something to do with pointers and my knowledge about them |
| 12:14:36 | DerPapst | hehe |
| 12:14:38 | testybirch | As I'm looking at the code I think this is gonna be a lot of work, never been coding c. So I just wanted to check if this is possible |
| 12:14:43 | DataGhost | there we go |
| 12:14:46 | DataGhost | doesn't crash anymore :) |
| 12:14:49 | w1ll14m | nice :) |
| 12:14:56 | DerPapst | debugging pointers is fun :D |
| 12:15:00 | DataGhost | now it just dumps 'garbage' |
| 12:15:18 | DataGhost | if it's really 8 mbit then... eh. I'm going to need a slave |
| 12:15:24 | DataGhost | or working disk writes in the loader :P |
| 12:15:35 | DataGhost | or I need to modify that program |
| 12:15:45 | DerPapst | last |
| 12:16:40 | DataGhost | and I need to learn how to calc in hex |
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| 12:16:50 | DataGhost | 3a00 - 12 = needs_calculator :( |
| 12:16:51 | w1ll14m | hahahaha |
| 12:17:02 | DataGhost | well.. need. it's faster |
| 12:17:15 | w1ll14m | 3988 i think |
| 12:17:20 | DataGhost | 39ee |
| 12:17:29 | w1ll14m | ow .... |
| 12:17:30 | w1ll14m | lol |
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| 12:22:08 | linuxstb_ | DataGhost: You can use "bc" for hex arithmetic... |
| 12:22:29 | DataGhost | yeah, i'm just using calc now |
| 12:22:37 | DataGhost | but it should be faster when I can do that in my head instead :) |
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| 12:24:04 | DataGhost | hmmm |
| 12:24:08 | DataGhost | no I don't think it's working |
| 12:24:13 | DerPapst | can anyone give me whatever i need to edit wikipages? |
| 12:24:16 | DataGhost | unless there's 'busybox' in the flashrom |
| 12:24:18 | DataGhost | :P |
| 12:24:32 | DataGhost | or '/mnt/iPod_Control' |
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| 12:26:01 | linuxstb_ | DerPapst: What's your wiki username? |
| 12:26:07 | DerPapst | DerPapst |
| 12:26:11 | DerPapst | :) |
| 12:26:17 | linuxstb_ | Is that your real name? |
| 12:26:28 | DerPapst | nope it's Alexandwr Papst |
| 12:26:38 | DerPapst | err.. Alexander Papst |
| 12:26:41 | linuxstb_ | The wiki requires users to register with their real names... |
| 12:26:51 | DerPapst | oh |
| 12:26:54 | linuxstb_ | Or rather, the people that run the wiki do... |
| 12:27:03 | DataGhost | hm I thought it was Ratzinger |
| 12:27:04 | DataGhost | :P |
| 12:27:11 | DerPapst | wasn't aware of that |
| 12:27:22 | linuxstb_ | I'm pretty sure the registration page says so. |
| 12:27:36 | DerPapst | can it be changed afterwards? |
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| 12:27:42 | markun | maybe it should be in red and a bigger font? |
| 12:27:51 | DerPapst | :-/ |
| 12:27:58 | LinusN | "Your WikiName is your real first and last name concatenated, like JohnSmith or SteveAnderson. It's not JonhS, SteveA or NinjaBoy. We will delete your registration without notice if you break this rule." |
| 12:28:02 | linuxstb_ | markun: It's a wiki... :) |
| 12:28:08 | DataGhost | hmm... since 'Der' is male, it *could* translate roughly into "Mr. Papst" :P |
| 12:28:10 | markun | linuxstb_: ah yes :) |
| 12:28:11 | DataGhost | oh first name too |
| 12:28:30 | DerPapst | then better delete that account. |
| 12:29:22 | * | DerPapst <−− to dumb to read |
| 12:29:38 | linuxstb_ | LinusN: Could you update ipodpatcher again with a new version? - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-0.7.zip |
| 12:30:01 | LinusN | DerPapst: you're not alone |
| 12:30:37 | markun | linuxstb_: "Access check on TWiki.TWikiRegistration failed. Action "change": access not allowed on web." |
| 12:31:27 | linuxstb_ | markun: Probably a good thing for that page... |
| 12:31:31 | markun | LinusN: can I apply for wiki super powers? |
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| 12:36:34 | GodEater | markun: you can always *apply* for them. Getting them granted is another matter ;) |
| 12:38:37 | LinusN | we don't give out wiki "superpowers", sorry |
| 12:38:42 | markun | too bad |
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| 12:39:45 | LinusN | i am constantly amazed by peoples' inability to read or follow instructions |
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| 12:40:04 | markun | LinusN: where could I have read that? |
| 12:40:05 | DerPapst | sorry :-/ |
| 12:40:17 | LinusN | DerPapst: you are one of MANY |
| 12:40:30 | LinusN | markun: that was not for you |
| 12:40:46 | DerPapst | hmm... but that's no comfort to me. |
| 12:40:50 | LinusN | hehe |
| 12:41:08 | markun | LinusN: btw, I think the first "important notice" is intended to be bold |
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| 12:41:21 | LinusN | you could perhaps help us by telling me how you missed that piece of info |
| 12:41:37 | DataGhost | Because nobody ever reads those things |
| 12:41:49 | DataGhost | usually they're standard and people like me (heh.) can do fine without them |
| 12:41:51 | DerPapst | probably because <blink> is missing... |
| 12:42:03 | DataGhost | since it's usually just normal rules which apply everywhere |
| 12:42:08 | DataGhost | but only that thing is unusual |
| 12:42:15 | markun | and what are the red stars behind the input fields? |
| 12:42:23 | markun | sorry.. |
| 12:42:29 | markun | nevermind :) |
| 12:42:37 | w1ll14m | lol] |
| 12:42:40 | DataGhost | I really agree that some people *SHOULD* read those things but they won't. Unusual stuff should just be emphasized so everyone will notice them |
| 12:42:44 | linuxstb_ | LinusN: Maybe change "Your WikiName is your..." to "Your WIki Name must be" |
| 12:42:54 | DerPapst | heh.. not sure how i could miss that :-( |
| 12:43:03 | DataGhost | anyway, let's read that page |
| 12:43:06 | DataGhost | to see what I'm talking about :P |
| 12:43:09 | LinusN | another thing that very many miss is this: "Please do not register if you don't plan to contribute." |
| 12:43:20 | DataGhost | since I haven't registered yet |
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| 12:43:35 | DerPapst | atually i wanted to edit something ;) |
| 12:43:38 | DerPapst | a broken link |
| 12:43:43 | DerPapst | *actually |
| 12:43:59 | directhex|work | markun, the gigabeat wiki page suggests that the cradle doesn't work. is there anything specific in the way? |
| 12:44:11 | markun | LinusN: perhaps a script could remove people who have registered and never contributed after a month or so? |
| 12:44:12 | DataGhost | oh wait |
| 12:44:15 | linuxstb_ | DerPapst: What's the link? |
| 12:44:19 | DataGhost | they are quite obvious |
| 12:44:24 | LinusN | markun: i have such a script, but i run it manually |
| 12:44:26 | DataGhost | I never said anything, sorry! :P |
| 12:44:53 | markun | directhex|work: not really, someone just needs to do it. It's not very hard. |
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| 12:45:11 | DerPapst | on the iPodBeta page the link that points to the ipodpatcher source in CVS |
| 12:45:12 | markun | directhex|work: but I will not have access to my cradle for a few months so I can't do it |
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| 12:46:06 | w1ll14m | DataGhost: could it be that rsrc has something to do with encryption of osos and aupd ? |
| 12:46:20 | DataGhost | no |
| 12:46:27 | w1ll14m | ok |
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| 12:46:27 | DataGhost | why would you think it does? |
| 12:46:30 | markun | directhex|work: btw, I added some support for USB on the cradle a short while ago, but it doesn't respect the line-in/usb switch |
| 12:46:43 | w1ll14m | because it's the only unencrypted file |
| 12:46:51 | DataGhost | and you have seen the contents |
| 12:46:53 | DataGhost | and the size |
| 12:46:58 | DataGhost | then you'll see why it's not encrypted |
| 12:47:10 | linuxstb_ | DerPapst: Fixed, thanks. |
| 12:47:11 | w1ll14m | i know what's in there ;) |
| 12:47:30 | linuxstb_ | The rsrc is just data... |
| 12:47:37 | DerPapst | linuxstb_: glad i could help ^^ |
| 12:47:38 | w1ll14m | yeah some trainer data :) |
| 12:47:44 | DataGhost | and big, too |
| 12:47:48 | DataGhost | imagine the performance hit |
| 12:48:06 | linuxstb_ | It's not that bad on the Nano - it's a flash disk... |
| 12:48:07 | DerPapst | now i don't even have to register anymore. |
| 12:48:26 | DataGhost | linuxstb I mean to either decrypt it on-access or to decrypt it and keep it decrypted in RAM |
| 12:48:30 | w1ll14m | dataghost? how big is you rsrc |
| 12:48:40 | linuxstb_ | DataGhost: Indeed. |
| 12:48:41 | DataGhost | the one from the nano is 17MB or something like that |
| 12:48:52 | DataGhost | seeing that it has only 32MB of RAM... well... |
| 12:49:00 | DataGhost | for 'useless' data |
| 12:49:12 | w1ll14m | yeah indeed... |
| 12:49:26 | w1ll14m | the files within are like 1 or 2 megs of data.... |
| 12:49:34 | w1ll14m | and the resl null data i think.... |
| 12:49:43 | DerPapst | LinusN: if you want to you can now delete my user account. |
| 12:49:57 | w1ll14m | as it was good compressed for binary data in a zip |
| 12:50:23 | DataGhost | those are waveforms |
| 12:50:53 | DerPapst | and sorry for being to stuid to read :-/ |
| 12:50:55 | JdGordon | scorche: found some moe stuff you can #ifdef HAVE_TAGCACHE... in the tree_context struct |
| 12:51:35 | DerPapst | ...and type ^^ |
| 12:51:41 | * | scorche thought he nabbed all of it |
| 12:53:06 | JdGordon | na, at the end.. there are 4 variables which (according to the comments) are only used by the db |
| 12:53:37 | daurnimator | JdGordon: did your net go down? |
| 12:53:47 | JdGordon | not to my knowledge |
| 12:53:50 | daurnimator | my isp went down |
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| 12:54:02 | daurnimator | they said "no no no - its half of australia, not us" |
| 12:54:22 | daurnimator | - i haven't seen anyone not on wild come back with news of outage :S |
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| 12:55:00 | w1ll14m | DataGhost: then we need to dump ram..... |
| 12:55:11 | w1ll14m | i know that psp's used tiff exploits |
| 12:55:20 | w1ll14m | to run homebrew code |
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| 12:55:29 | DataGhost | well, I already figured that and said it in here, too |
| 12:55:37 | DataGhost | the only problem is finding a way to do it :) |
| 12:55:46 | w1ll14m | yeah indeed -__- |
| 12:55:51 | linuxstb_ | What do you want to dump? |
| 12:56:04 | w1ll14m | ram of a working nano 2g\ |
| 12:56:16 | linuxstb_ | OK, good luck... |
| 12:56:22 | w1ll14m | hehe i thought so ;) |
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| 12:59:47 | JdGordon | am i blind or does the dirbrowser() never actually call ft_load()? |
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| 13:00:52 | w1ll14m | DataGhost: is there a way to run games on the nano 2g? |
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| 13:04:41 | DerPapst | w1ll14m: no |
| 13:04:52 | w1ll14m | that sux |
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| 13:32:29 | DerPapst | hmm.. shouldn't be the link to daily build removed in the manual (chapter 2.2.2.)? because the main page doesn't link to it anymore too. |
| 13:33:28 | DerPapst | and maybe move the fonts to somewhere else... |
| 13:39:50 | directhex|work | markun, right. i could mail you my cradle if it helps |
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| 13:40:15 | directhex|work | markun, oh, and has the 'reset all settings' thing been moved away from hold yet? i know it was mentioned a few days ago |
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| 13:43:59 | markun | directhex|work: I was thinking of changing it to MENU+A what do you think? |
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| 13:44:58 | directhex|work | markun, i think power+a makes more sense, and it's unlikely to ever happen by accident |
| 13:45:31 | directhex|work | markun, i'd change it myself, but i don't have a clue where such things are specified in the source tree |
| 13:48:21 | GodEater | if anyone here is a libtoolfoo master I'd appreciate a PM |
| 13:49:17 | markun | directhex|work: I'll change it. Maybe this weekend. |
| 13:49:33 | markun | directhex|work: it's in apps/main.c starting at line 449 |
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| 13:52:46 | pmjdebruijn | lo |
| 13:52:51 | markun | hi |
| 13:53:38 | pmjdebruijn | is there any chance iPod Nano second gen will be supported in the future? |
| 13:54:09 | Mikachu | don't hold your breath |
| 13:54:20 | directhex|work | pmjdebruijn, do you have super secret info about the super secret encrypted firmware? |
| 13:54:24 | pmjdebruijn | ah ok |
| 13:54:34 | pmjdebruijn | directhex|work, not really.. |
| 13:54:40 | * | pmjdebruijn didn't know that |
| 13:56:02 | petur | hrmm.. in the radio screen, why does is show a slashed music note and how does one get sound back? |
| 13:56:09 | * | JdGordon has the very beginings of a root menu working :) |
| 13:56:43 | markun | JdGordon: great man! |
| 13:57:30 | markun | JdGordon: what's working? Can you already go to the file browser and database viewer for example? |
| 13:57:39 | JdGordon | ... but... the current file browser is not really good for doing this, i dont know how nicely it will work |
| 13:57:54 | JdGordon | i can go from the root menu in and out of the file browser :D |
| 13:57:56 | directhex|work | markun, generally, what happens with donations to the project? |
| 13:57:58 | JdGordon | noting else just yert |
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| 13:58:23 | markun | directhex|work: buying hardware normally |
| 13:58:29 | Mikachu | directhex|work: extra cans of beer at the devcon |
| 13:58:35 | markun | ;) |
| 13:58:45 | markun | I really want to be there next time |
| 13:59:20 | scorche | even though i am largely useless, i am thinking about coming if i can scrounge up the money |
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| 14:02:20 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DonatedMoney |
| 14:02:29 | XavierGr | petur: the slashed music note I think is the radio mute |
| 14:02:53 | petur | XavierGr: yes, I found out play toggles mute :/ |
| 14:02:59 | * | scorche spots a misspelled word |
| 14:03:40 | * | scorche spots a run-on sentence |
| 14:03:52 | * | scorche spots the edit button |
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| 14:04:25 | * | DerPapst wonders if scorche already hit the edit button... |
| 14:04:28 | * | XavierGr spots schorce's action frenzy! |
| 14:05:07 | * | scorche is aiming to beat a certain someone in the most actions statistic |
| 14:05:32 | * | JdGordon can go from the tree <-> db browsers :D (i _think_ ) |
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| 14:05:54 | * | bluebrother wonders if JdGordon means a virtual folder |
| 14:06:11 | JdGordon | no |
| 14:06:29 | DerPapst | you have to use /me ^^ |
| 14:06:40 | * | bluebrother notices JdGordon broke the action sequence |
| 14:07:02 | * | Bagder thinks the channel went more nuts that usual |
| 14:07:03 | scorche | for shame... |
| 14:07:04 | * | JdGordon isnt sure what bluebrother is talking about |
| 14:07:27 | * | amiconn sees lotsa violet text |
| 14:07:28 | * | Mikachu does the kirby dance <('')> <("<) (>"<) (>")> <('')> |
| 14:07:32 | * | JdGordon reads the last fw miin and understands :p |
| 14:07:48 | * | bluebrother considers himself nuts for starting this uni thingy years ago |
| 14:07:48 | * | scorche wonders if we are ignoring the past transgressions |
| 14:08:02 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: Still here? |
| 14:08:05 | * | daurnimator wonders if JdGordon will do anything with a gmini 402 |
| 14:08:08 | * | XavierGr XavierGr is happy to know that actions aren't logged! |
| 14:08:10 | Bagder | linuxstb: yepso |
| 14:08:16 | XavierGr | bah I can't type an action |
| 14:08:21 | bluebrother | actions aren't logged? |
| 14:08:29 | XavierGr | I think |
| 14:08:32 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: Can you update ipodpatcher? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-0.7.zip |
| 14:08:33 | JdGordon | course they are |
| 14:08:36 | Bagder | they are |
| 14:08:40 | * | DerPapst knows that actions _are_ logged |
| 14:08:43 | * | idnar thinks you people are crazy |
| 14:08:57 | * | bluebrother just spots a logged action in the logs :) |
| 14:08:58 | * | daurnimator goes to bed |
| 14:08:59 | daurnimator | night all |
| 14:09:03 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Can you produce a new amd64 build of ipodpatcher for Bagder? |
| 14:09:09 | XavierGr | ah then I remember wrong |
| 14:09:14 | * | idnar waves goodnight to daurnimator |
| 14:10:19 | Bagder | linuxstb_: done |
| 14:10:25 | linuxstb_ | Thanks. |
| 14:13:08 | JdGordon | woot ! yes, moving between the file and db browsers work :) except I havnt figured out how to save the current folder or resume a folder just yet |
| 14:20:06 | directhex|work | Bagder, thanks for the link. i made a donation at the weekend, i was just curious as to what happens to it |
| 14:20:19 | amiconn | linuxstb: w8 |
| 14:21:30 | amiconn | Bagder: dcc? |
| 14:21:50 | Bagder | dcc should work, let's try it |
| 14:24:48 | directhex|work | Mikachu, the kirby dance must always feature a backflip - <(,,)> |
| 14:25:00 | Mikachu | lol |
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| 14:26:36 | JdGordon | umm.... crap... can I change a commit message? |
| 14:27:06 | JdGordon | I think i may be too tired to make a decent english sentance :p |
| 14:27:09 | linuxstb_ | You could do it with "cvs admin", I don't know about svn... |
| 14:27:29 | scorche | JdGordon: sentence? ;) |
| 14:27:48 | JdGordon | hmm.... ok, it wasnt as bas as I thought... i forgot "-ing" in the message |
| 14:27:58 | directhex|work | scorche, 'word thing'! |
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| 14:28:41 | Bagder | amiconn: why two? |
| 14:29:01 | amiconn | The first transfer was indicated as 'failed' here |
| 14:29:32 | Bagder | the first one is larger here |
| 14:30:33 | amiconn | oh? |
| 14:30:46 | amiconn | I sent the very same file in both cases |
| 14:31:07 | amiconn | -rwxr-xr-x 1 jens jens 37480 2007-02-06 14:20 ipodpatcher |
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| 14:32:10 | Bagder | ok, that one is now on the dl site |
| 14:33:15 | linuxstb_ | Thanks to both of you. |
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| 14:43:29 | JdGordon | ..... has anyone had a chance to look at the menu patch on the ml yet? |
| 14:50:18 | preglow | what's the point with the HAVE_TAGCACHE stuff? |
| 14:50:27 | preglow | does anyone not want it compiled in? |
| 14:50:52 | scorche | preglow: it is a way to get rombox to build |
| 14:50:53 | * | petur points at amiconn |
| 14:51:24 | scorche | actually, amiconn has nothing to do with it |
| 14:52:15 | * | petur was answering [14:51] <preglow> does anyone not want it compiled in? |
| 14:52:39 | * | scorche thinks preglow was referring to database |
| 14:52:41 | petur | but nevermind ;) |
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| 14:54:58 | preglow | i don't think amiconn wants that approach at all |
| 14:55:08 | preglow | it's been in svn for ages, yet isn't enabled in the daily builds |
| 14:55:26 | scorche | he against that approach |
| 14:55:50 | preglow | yes, so we've got more ifdefs that aren't needed |
| 14:55:52 | preglow | hooray! |
| 14:55:58 | scorche | i consider it a temporary solution for those who want rombox, but do not want to use a very old build |
| 14:56:21 | preglow | true enough |
| 14:56:22 | Bagder | I still think the archo flash situation a total mess |
| 14:56:25 | Bagder | arhocs |
| 14:56:27 | Bagder | archos |
| 14:56:29 | preglow | hahaha |
| 14:56:34 | preglow | me too |
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| 14:57:25 | scorche | when/if we ever get rombox working again without having to remove features, i will gladly make a patch to remove that ifdef |
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| 14:57:35 | Bagder | I don't see that happening |
| 14:57:46 | preglow | i do, but very temporarily |
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| 14:57:54 | Bagder | if it would happen, it would only be for a very brief moment |
| 14:58:22 | preglow | how much short is it anyway? the lang cleanup patch will reclaim a bit |
| 14:58:38 | JdGordon | and the menu stuff when is done... |
| 14:58:40 | Bagder | yeah, but that'll just about make it fit with very little margin |
| 14:58:48 | preglow | Bagder: deed |
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| 14:58:52 | Llorean | With the lang cleanup, and the work on the Archos bootbox, we'll probably hit it for a little while. |
| 14:59:00 | preglow | Bagder: at which point i'm ready to say "STOP" and branch it :) |
| 14:59:17 | Bagder | yeah |
| 14:59:37 | * | JdGordon also thinks tree.c could be cleaned up to save a bit |
| 14:59:52 | preglow | oh, lots could be cleaned up |
| 14:59:57 | Bagder | everything can be cleaned up |
| 14:59:59 | preglow | for some reason, people aren't falling over themselves to do it, though |
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| 15:00:10 | preglow | i think it has to do with "fun" |
| 15:00:32 | preglow | or rather the lack of it |
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| 15:02:48 | * | scorche wonders if this conversation is over so he can retire to his bed |
| 15:03:07 | JdGordon | your free to go :p |
| 15:03:30 | Bagder | it never ends, it just pauses! |
| 15:03:39 | scorche | i was just thinking that |
| 15:03:43 | scorche | much like malloc |
| 15:03:47 | Bagder | haha |
| 15:03:57 | Bagder | that ended years ago |
| 15:04:02 | Llorean | I think the difference is, malloc's always been over, it just takes a while for new people to realize it. |
| 15:04:04 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 15:04:07 | JdGordon | except alot more ppl are against malloc than forking off rombox |
| 15:04:10 | scorche | haha...true |
| 15:04:13 | preglow | i would like some optimsing to be done, though, rockbox is getting bloated even on non-archos platforms |
| 15:04:14 | linuxstb_ | But nobody seems to be adding new features to the core very often anyway... |
| 15:04:19 | preglow | but i'm not exactly eager to start the work myself |
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| 15:05:15 | scorche | Llorean: i thought of that as soon as i compared it to malloc... |
| 15:06:02 | Llorean | Oh, anyone know what's keeping long AACs from playing, in a general sense? |
| 15:06:24 | * | scorche senses the topic change as a cue to go to bed |
| 15:06:36 | JdGordon | Llorean: global warming :D |
| 15:07:27 | * | scorche rushes back to say "sunspots" and then leaves again |
| 15:08:03 | preglow | it's snowing here, i refuse to believe this global warming bullshit!! |
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| 15:08:27 | amiconn | Bagder: Why do you think a fork would be a good idea? |
| 15:08:36 | Llorean | It snowed here for the first time in a few years, after the warmest summer in a few years. |
| 15:08:36 | preglow | scorche: it should started again, get back |
| 15:08:43 | Bagder | amiconn: I think a STOP would be the good idea |
| 15:08:47 | Bagder | stop trying |
| 15:08:49 | amiconn | While I do want rombox back, I'd rather let rombox die instead of forking |
| 15:08:51 | Llorean | It's global temperature range chart amplitude increasing. |
| 15:08:54 | Llorean | That just isn't as fun to sya. |
| 15:09:09 | * | scorche sensed he was pinged and returns |
| 15:09:15 | preglow | amiconn: much the same, isn't it? |
| 15:09:21 | preglow | amiconn: in any case, nothing much new will be done to it |
| 15:09:35 | amiconn | ? |
| 15:09:36 | preglow | amiconn: which is pretty much the only solution to make it still be available in the future |
| 15:10:36 | amiconn | I like rombox, but if it doesn't have the same feature set as ordinary rockbox it doesn't make much sense. And having 2 different code bases is just ugly |
| 15:10:39 | preglow | Llorean: don't you live in texas? |
| 15:10:42 | scorche | preglow: besides sytematically removing features as the size increases...which is a very bad idea |
| 15:10:47 | Llorean | preglow: Yes. |
| 15:11:06 | preglow | Llorean: i wouldn't have thought it ever snowed in texas |
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| 15:11:21 | Llorean | preglow: Texas is a big state. Up north it snows pretty regularly, down here it's different. |
| 15:11:24 | preglow | amiconn: of course it makes sense, it would work well for lots of people |
| 15:12:19 | Llorean | It's 1,244km from North to South, apparently |
| 15:12:29 | preglow | Llorean: not bad... |
| 15:13:16 | preglow | point being, at some point, things will stop, and it will be impossible to make a rombox |
| 15:13:43 | JdGordon | amiconn: isnt the suggestion to fork and freeze rombox and only put in major bug fixes? |
| 15:13:44 | Llorean | What's the other Archos code like right now? |
| 15:13:46 | linuxstb_ | Once the bootbox optimisations are published, do we have rombox back? |
| 15:14:08 | preglow | i don't think we're that many kilobytes off, so i think so |
| 15:14:11 | Llorean | Could we do a 2.9 for Archos-only, being Last Rombox + the new features like Database? |
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| 15:14:43 | linuxstb_ | I was thinking the same, but 2.6... |
| 15:14:48 | Llorean | I thought 2.6 first. |
| 15:15:06 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, the bootbox improvements alone should bring rombox back even on the fm/v2 |
| 15:15:11 | Llorean | Then I though that Rockbox has changed quite a bit since 2.5, though I don't know how many are in Archos. |
| 15:15:23 | amiconn | langv2 and menus will give a bit more room |
| 15:17:03 | scorche | amiconn: but, what would you suggest after it breaks again?...let it die as you referenced before? |
| 15:17:47 | linuxstb_ | It seems to me that it has to die eventually, but we're not there yet... |
| 15:18:55 | Llorean | I think it'd be better to kill it humanely as it were, saying "The current feature set is good enough" then trying to debate in the future if we can squeeze one more thing in here, or there. |
| 15:19:15 | Llorean | As it is, we have upcoming opts that will let it fit, and can let it be finished up. |
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| 15:19:39 | Llorean | But if we get to a point where it stops fitting again, then you have to make the choice to roll back to a fitting version and say that's it, or hope you can find a new way to squeeze it in. |
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| 15:31:25 | LinusN | ok, if anyone joins the channel and screams about not being able to log in to the wiki, send them in my direction |
| 15:31:41 | LinusN | i have deleted ~150 accounts |
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| 15:32:39 | LinusN | some because of bad wikinames, but most because they haven't contributed anything since they registered the account |
| 15:32:58 | * | DerPapst looks away... |
| 15:33:03 | LinusN | hahaha |
| 15:33:12 | LinusN | yours too :-) |
| 15:33:18 | DerPapst | thanks ;) |
| 15:34:29 | DerPapst | to bad <blink> is only implemented in netscape... that is the only thing to make sure that everybody is looking at it :D |
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| 15:35:59 | LinusN | DerPapst: i don't think even that would help |
| 15:36:16 | DerPapst | heh. |
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| 15:37:02 | LinusN | people just don't read documentation very well |
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| 15:37:35 | LinusN | like this guy who posted to the forum recently about how he failed to install rockbox on his ipod 80gb |
| 15:38:10 | LinusN | it says on 3 different places on the site that ipod 80gb is not supported |
| 15:38:28 | LinusN | even the installation instructions say it! |
| 15:38:33 | DerPapst | i really feel stupid because of that. i wonder myself often enough why it is so hard for many poeple just to do what the instructionis say (over at ipl.org) |
| 15:38:51 | LinusN | it's amazing really |
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| 15:39:43 | amiconn | DerPapst: <blink> is implemented the wrong way - it makes the text invisible 50% of the time |
| 15:40:27 | DerPapst | that the wikipage about the 5.5G i've added a big disclaimer (<font size="+1">) that ipl is not working on the 80GB ipod.. one day later someone complains that the instructions don't work on his 80GB ipod :D |
| 15:40:53 | LinusN | hehe |
| 15:41:10 | DerPapst | the fist that sould be a on.. don't know that happend ^^ |
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| 15:41:18 | DerPapst | *first |
| 15:41:23 | * | DerPapst gives up |
| 15:41:37 | LinusN | another interesting phenomenon is the "simplified instructions" some people put together, that are often at least twice as long as the original ones |
| 15:42:00 | DerPapst | hehe |
| 15:42:42 | LinusN | these are the "Detailed Instructions To Compiling": http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile |
| 15:43:00 | LinusN | and the simple ones: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 15:43:23 | petur | lol |
| 15:43:29 | LinusN | hilarious |
| 15:44:21 | DerPapst | hehe... |
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| 15:45:53 | DerPapst | the simplified instructions are mostly filled with tons of details to make sure even the dumbest person is able to do whatever they describe.. but most of them fail anyway ^^ |
| 15:46:31 | Bagder | "too many instructions" / GoldenQuotes |
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| 15:46:53 | DerPapst | hehe |
| 15:46:55 | directhex|work | DerPapst, something i've learnt at my job: you can have postgraduates at the most renowned university in the world who are confused by the idea of stairs. never underestimate how stupid the average moron is |
| 15:46:59 | LinusN | and remember, those instructions are tailored for the people who don't tend to read docs |
| 15:47:27 | DerPapst | hahahaha |
| 15:47:53 | courtc | Instructions for the people who read the docs, and instructions for those who need packaged docs. ;) |
| 15:48:19 | directhex|work | if it's not an installshield installer, it's too complicated! |
| 15:48:30 | LinusN | amen |
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| 15:49:30 | LinusN | sometimes i think some things should stay complicated, so the person is forced to try to understand things |
| 15:49:43 | LinusN | like applying patches and compiling |
| 15:51:07 | courtc | The problem with that is the people who give up, come in here and ask how to do it. ;) |
| 15:51:20 | LinusN | linuxstb: is it possible to detect ipod 80gb in the ipodpatcher? |
| 15:51:26 | DerPapst | thatswhy i suggested to make installing rockbox on the ipod harder. it's too easy. 2 commands in cmd and then drag and drop. It has to be at least as hard as installing iPL ;) |
| 15:51:56 | LinusN | courtc: then we make it harder to join the channel :-P |
| 15:52:04 | courtc | Yes. installing IPL is *way* hard. ;) |
| 15:52:08 | GodEater | LinusN: yes of course it's possible to detect it. linuxstb is just an optimist that you'll get it working before he has to prevent ipodpatcher working on one. |
| 15:52:08 | courtc | haha |
| 15:52:21 | LinusN | GodEater: haha |
| 15:52:51 | LinusN | gtg |
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| 15:53:12 | DerPapst | LinusN: yes it can detect the 80GB iPod. |
| 15:53:22 | amiconn | courtc: Installing ipl is one thing... having it working is completely different |
| 15:53:29 | * | DerPapst wasn't fast enogh... as always. |
| 15:53:44 | GodEater | DerPapst: I even typed more than you did ;) |
| 15:53:55 | amiconn | When I got my mini G2, I first installed ipl on it. Worked exactly once, after a reboot it didn't like me anymore |
| 15:54:02 | courtc | I personally have never had a problem with IPL. That's why I don't attempt to make things easier. |
| 15:54:36 | amiconn | Then I wiped everything with the ipod restore tool, and started porting rockbox |
| 15:54:41 | DerPapst | i'm not a fast typer... and my typingspeed is even worse if i have to "speak" english |
| 15:54:51 | amiconn | Within 10 hours i HAD ROCKBOX UP AND RUNNING, AND PLAYING MUSIC |
| 15:55:02 | amiconn | oops, sorry for caps |
| 15:55:19 | DerPapst | haha |
| 15:55:28 | directhex|work | i don't see the appeal of running linux on $foodevice for the sake of it |
| 15:55:36 | GodEater | DerPapst: you're forgiven then ;) |
| 15:55:51 | DerPapst | GodEater: Thanks :D |
| 15:55:57 | courtc | directhex|work: "for the sake of it" is always debatable. |
| 15:56:26 | courtc | I use IPL for the features it provides, not because it's nifty. |
| 15:56:33 | linuxstb_ | LinusN: Yes, ipodpatcher could probably detect 80GB models... |
| 15:57:17 | GodEater | linuxstb: didn't I give the right answer ? ;) |
| 15:57:36 | linuxstb_ | Yes, but I missed it... You used my other nick. |
| 15:57:43 | GodEater | oh excuse me |
| 15:57:57 | DerPapst | same here. iPL worked fist on my 3G iPod and then on the 80GB one (more or less). |
| 15:57:59 | linuxstb_ | It wasn't highlighted... |
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| 15:58:23 | GodEater | I'll endeavour to engage my psychic powers and work out which nick you're sat in front of next time |
| 15:58:48 | linuxstb_ | Thanks - I would appreciate it :) |
| 15:58:59 | GodEater | hehe |
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| 16:00:16 | * | GodEater is tempted to submit a patch for ipodpatcher that fills their console with *really* big blinking letters that generally insults them if they try to use it on an 80GB iPod |
| 16:00:45 | markun | asda |
| 16:00:55 | markun | oops |
| 16:01:02 | * | DerPapst is going to remove that patch then... |
| 16:02:07 | DerPapst | or maybe not... |
| 16:02:35 | DerPapst | probably not... |
| 16:02:42 | * | DerPapst walks away |
| 16:02:55 | * | petur looks outside and sees it is snowing :) |
| 16:03:01 | Mikachu | what country? |
| 16:03:05 | petur | .be |
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| 16:04:22 | GodEater | ah it's good to be finally able to update e17 at work again |
| 16:04:46 | Mikachu | GodEater: are they going to release any time soon? |
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| 16:05:32 | GodEater | Mikachu: hahahahahaha |
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| 16:06:25 | Mikachu | i'll take that as a maybe |
| 16:06:28 | GodEater | Mikachu: seriously though - it's worth looking at now |
| 16:06:40 | GodEater | it's not crashed on me in months |
| 16:06:43 | GodEater | and is very usable |
| 16:06:56 | directhex|work | it's good enough for ps3 linux |
| 16:07:04 | directhex|work | of course, that's not neccessarily a compliment |
| 16:07:32 | Mikachu | i currently find myself the maintainer of another wm, so i probably won't |
| 16:07:46 | GodEater | which one ? |
| 16:07:51 | Mikachu | openbox :) |
| 16:07:56 | * | Mikachu likes box |
| 16:08:06 | GodEater | nice - I ran that for a while |
| 16:08:56 | GodEater | I think I've run most of the *box wms at one time or another |
| 16:10:02 | directhex|work | xfce4's the only wm i've ever really liked. but these days i'm back on gnome, since i have cycles to kill & like some of the integrated features |
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| 16:10:24 | Mikachu | (openbox works fine as a wm with gnome) |
| 16:10:30 | tchan | If anyone is in a wiki typo-fixing mood: The bottom of the GigabeatFXPort page says "Bootloader with bootsplpash" and that should probably be "Bootloader with bootsplash" |
| 16:12:08 | GodEater | directhex|work: try beryl then :) |
| 16:12:29 | linuxstb_ | tchan: Done. |
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| 16:13:22 | directhex|work | GodEater, using it on the laptop & at home |
| 16:13:39 | GodEater | you really do have cycles to kill then :) |
| 16:13:41 | directhex|work | GodEater, i'd really prefer the predictable development cycle of compiz, but it doesn't bloody work |
| 16:13:53 | GodEater | beryl looks pretty though |
| 16:16:30 | directhex|work | i like the expose rip-off |
| 16:16:36 | directhex|work | and the window previews in the taskbar |
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| 16:19:47 | GodEater | btw - I never heard whether you're going to hunt down and kill me for recommending the gigabeat port ? ;) |
| 16:21:49 | directhex|work | it makes for a smoother game of Doom than dreamcast-linux |
| 16:22:18 | GodEater | is that a good thing ? |
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| 16:22:27 | * | linuxstb_ doesn't understand the last post here - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8672.0 |
| 16:23:31 | webguest66 | I know C, and wanna begin developing rockbox. Where to start? |
| 16:24:12 | linuxstb_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
| 16:24:48 | webguest66 | Thans |
| 16:24:53 | webguest66 | *thanks |
| 16:24:58 | DataGhost | lol some people from the gathering of tweakers (dutch) want to create a flashmob-lanparty at a mcdonalds :P |
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| 16:25:00 | GodEater | linuxstb_ : that's because you don't speak idioteze |
| 16:25:08 | DataGhost | best idea ever :P |
| 16:25:20 | directhex|work | linuxstb_, remember i said some people are confused by stairs? that guy's confused by "apart from" |
| 16:25:36 | linuxstb_ | I just don't know how to reply... |
| 16:25:49 | linuxstb_ | (so I won't). |
| 16:26:11 | * | linuxstb_ just read GodEater's reply... That's about all we can say. |
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| 16:26:48 | GodEater | "I heard" is not the same as "it says here on the www.rockbox.org/randomlyforgottencornerofwiki/" |
| 16:27:38 | * | w1ll14m slaps his head against the monitor and screems, GoedEater you are right!!! |
| 16:27:47 | w1ll14m | god* |
| 16:27:49 | linuxstb_ | That text should probably be reversed though, to be the same as the front page. |
| 16:28:02 | Bagder | I bet the "support" he speaks of is that ipodpatcher shows that output he showed |
| 16:28:13 | w1ll14m | Badger: probaply ;) |
| 16:28:43 | w1ll14m | probably** |
| 16:29:15 | directhex|work | don't worry, youy'll still be blamed & expect legal threats |
| 16:30:12 | GodEater | perhaps we should change the word "all" to "most" as well |
| 16:30:54 | w1ll14m | i'm so happy i own a 5g ;) |
| 16:31:12 | * | Soap thinks tucoz deduced mystik's thought process correctly. |
| 16:32:20 | w1ll14m | does anyone here has a spare harddisk?? i harddisk broke today :| |
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| 16:33:46 | Soap | do you really want to pay shipping on a sub 40GB drive? |
| 16:34:18 | w1ll14m | soap: hehe, probably not ;) |
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| 17:30:45 | webguest32 | What is the mAh setting for rockbox on a 5th gen video ipod |
| 17:31:41 | bluebrother | it's for calculating the remaining run time |
| 17:31:48 | bluebrother | it's just for display. |
| 17:32:27 | webguest32 | ok, i changed mine, and it turns itself off after 4-8 min. what is yours set on |
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| 17:32:46 | bluebrother | the default should match a default battery |
| 17:32:52 | markun | webguest32: it has nothing to do with the shutdown |
| 17:33:00 | bluebrother | the battery level is read out from the battery voltage |
| 17:33:05 | webguest32 | what is the number it shoud be on |
| 17:33:05 | bluebrother | not from some setting |
| 17:33:14 | bluebrother | use the default value |
| 17:33:25 | Llorean | bluebrother: Right now the number it's on is meaningless because there's no calibration for the iPods. |
| 17:33:28 | markun | webguest32: you can set it to whatever you want, it doesn't matter |
| 17:33:33 | webguest32 | what is the default value |
| 17:33:43 | bluebrother | I don't know the default value |
| 17:33:57 | webguest32 | kk |
| 17:34:06 | bluebrother | no ipod at my side |
| 17:34:35 | webguest32 | why isnt there a song list |
| 17:34:45 | webguest32 | at the database menu |
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| 19:47:24 | argonel | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AustriaMicrosystemsAS3514 should be added to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Port on the wiki |
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| 20:18:49 | Lhademmor | Rockbox to iPod nano is very unstable |
| 20:19:29 | Soap | what kind of problems are you having, Lhademmor? |
| 20:19:48 | Lhademmor | The iPod is simply suddenly not responding to anything |
| 20:19:59 | Lhademmor | Tried restarting it - but it's not working |
| 20:20:09 | desowin | select+menu ? |
| 20:20:28 | Soap | If your iPod won't restart - you will be the first. |
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| 20:20:58 | Lhademmor | It won't show anything at all. Completely dead. Maybe it's a hardware-failure? |
| 20:21:19 | Soap | The Nano behaves oddly on drained batteries. |
| 20:21:37 | Soap | Plug it in. Leave it alone for half an hour to sixty minutes. |
| 20:21:40 | desowin | try to put on hold, remove hold, then press select and while holding select press menu and keep it pressed until it reboots |
| 20:21:42 | Lhademmor | But my recharger doesn't work either |
| 20:22:12 | Soap | Why do you say your recharger doesn't work, Lhademmor? |
| 20:22:12 | Lhademmor | Correction: My recharger works normally, but the iPod doesnt' seem to react |
| 20:22:28 | Soap | Ok, That is because Nanos act odd when fully discharged. |
| 20:22:40 | Lhademmor | Soap, now that I think about it, it has been a while since I last recharged the battery... Pehaps that IS why |
| 20:22:41 | Soap | It is not going to appear that it is charging when you first plug it in. Trust me. |
| 20:23:06 | Soap | Plug it in - leave it alone for 30-60 minutes - have a cup of coffee and read the newspaper. |
| 20:23:16 | Lhademmor | Problem is: iPod + Rockbox + recharger (not PC) = lots of weird rebooting |
| 20:23:20 | Lhademmor | IIRC |
| 20:23:36 | Soap | The brand-spanking-new versions of Rockbox have that fixed. |
| 20:23:52 | Soap | If you are worried about the reboot cycle on your older build - plug your Nano into the computer. |
| 20:24:11 | Soap | It isn't like there is a physical hard drive in there to wear out from 60 minutes of reboot cycling. |
| 20:25:21 | Soap | Regardless, plug your Nano in - leave it alone for 30-60 minutes (don't peek!) - come back - if it still appears dead toggle the hold switch to the on (red) position and then back off. THEN attempt to force a reset with the "Menu"+"Select" button combo. |
| 20:25:45 | Lhademmor | ok. Will do. |
| 20:26:02 | Soap | IF (and it is a big if) at the end of all that your Nano still won't turn on - repeat the procedure. |
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| 20:27:32 | Soap | You might need to repeat the procedure a couple of times - and remember to attempt the "Menu"+"Select" combo for 30-45 seconds at a time - with steady fingers. |
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| 20:35:29 | preglow | nanos behave weirdly even on full battery |
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| 20:35:46 | preglow | battery can be full up, and it'll pretend to be empty and then just hang, waiting for select+menu reboot |
| 20:35:50 | preglow | not rockbox' fault |
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| 20:36:05 | Soap | what do you expect? You pack that much fun into such a tiny package and crazy things are boud to happed! ;) |
| 20:36:26 | Soap | *happen even |
| 20:36:29 | preglow | well, they could have made do without the programming errors! |
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| 20:45:46 | ZUNE_Guy | Hello |
| 20:47:02 | ZUNE_Guy | Anyone aware of a ZUNE initiative? I just checked the "Active Projects" list on the site, and it's not listed... |
| 20:47:13 | ZUNE_Guy | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus |
| 20:47:34 | desowin | you would like to lead ZUNE development ? |
| 20:47:38 | preglow | i know what the zune is, but not the intiative |
| 20:48:28 | ZUNE_Guy | I am just eager to hit my zune with something new - I may be able to help |
| 20:48:57 | ZUNE_Guy | I just dont want to experiment on mine, as I will most likely end up with a brick... |
| 20:49:32 | preglow | well, first and foremost we need docs on the hardware |
| 20:49:44 | preglow | starting a port blindly will almost certainly just stop |
| 20:50:02 | preglow | so far i don't think anyone has expressed any interest in porting to zune |
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| 20:50:16 | ZUNE_Guy | There is lots of info out there on the platform |
| 20:50:43 | Slasheri | hehe, i am just adding runtime "function" support to tagnavi config so very simple code could be interpreted by the database browser (to convert track length to minutes and hours for example) |
| 20:51:08 | * | preglow waves goodbye to rombox again :) |
| 20:51:35 | Slasheri | :D |
| 20:52:12 | ZUNE_Guy | preglow - Whats involved in getting a port started? There is a community out there that is interested in this, at ZuneScene the forums are talking like this is already well underway |
| 20:52:18 | Slasheri | but that's fortunately quite simple addition. user is not allowed to define own variable names, just use a few registers for function parameters and global return values |
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| 20:52:54 | preglow | ZUNE_Guy: what is involved is quite simply just someone wanting to do it |
| 20:53:16 | preglow | whoever can program and has a zune is welcome |
| 20:54:03 | preglow | zune support has been mentioned from time to time, and so far, no one wanting to start a port has stepped forward |
| 20:54:10 | preglow | we'd be happy to help whoever wants to start |
| 20:54:37 | ZUNE_Guy | I think the reason for the hesitation is that lots of users have no skills |
| 20:54:59 | ZUNE_Guy | Ans the ZUNE security |
| 20:55:12 | preglow | people with skills are definitely needed, heh |
| 20:55:33 | preglow | but no, developers don't start a port unless they're interested in doing so, and so far, no one interested enough have shown themselves |
| 20:56:31 | zylche | Ohh, I got onto rockbox's diagnostic tools accidently when heading home, how do I get it up again? :P |
| 20:57:01 | Soap | Rockbox's or Apples? zylche |
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| 21:03:40 | zylche | rockbox's |
| 21:04:23 | preglow | rockbox has diagnostic tools? |
| 21:04:28 | preglow | the debug menu? |
| 21:04:30 | preglow | if so, just exit it |
| 21:04:31 | preglow | no problems |
| 21:04:33 | Lhademmor | What language is Rockbox written in? |
| 21:04:54 | * | zylche is asking how to get back into it, and it may have been apples, but I doubt it.. |
| 21:05:18 | preglow | Lhademmor: mostly c, some assembler |
| 21:05:33 | zylche | some beer as well |
| 21:05:47 | petur | *trigger* |
| 21:06:44 | * | preglow has an oatmeal stout he intends to drink |
| 21:07:59 | * | Lhademmor would love to contribute |
| 21:08:20 | Lhademmor | ...but it may be an idea to learn programming first... |
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| 21:08:50 | zylche | we're all talking about drinks, not programming. |
| 21:09:08 | Juice^ | is it possible to build rockbox with vs.net ? |
| 21:10:00 | zylche | I doubt it would be very stable, but... |
| 21:10:07 | Lhademmor | hell, I could probably supply beer as well |
| 21:10:36 | Lear | If you mean visual studio, then no. |
| 21:10:41 | * | petur uses vs.net as editor ;) |
| 21:11:22 | zylche | Lhademmor, whisky or vodka, beer is for the lowlyslimes. |
| 21:11:43 | * | zylche uses notepad as a surgical tool. |
| 21:11:50 | * | petur throws a beer bottle at zylche |
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| 21:12:10 | Lhademmor | I don't think I am confident enough to use vodka. Last time I ended up dancing with a 50-year-old German who I've never met before |
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| 21:13:49 | Lhademmor | Is this project collaborating with www.ipodlinux.org ? |
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| 21:16:20 | Lhademmor | Peopl? |
| 21:17:15 | petur | rb borrows code from them |
| 21:17:44 | preglow | so yes, in a way, heh |
| 21:17:48 | preglow | we're on good terms with them |
| 21:18:22 | preglow | zylche: whisky i can enjoy, but vodka? that's just alcohol... |
| 21:18:26 | preglow | beer is superior to * anyway |
| 21:18:31 | Lhademmor | Great. I'm tired of project that fork off each other lots of times so it ends up a jungle |
| 21:19:03 | zylche | beer tastes bad to some people, at least with vodka and whisky you can feel it somewhat. |
| 21:19:59 | * | preglow likes all beer |
| 21:20:18 | preglow | i've yet to taste one i don't like, and i'm starting to work up quite a count |
| 21:21:01 | Lhademmor | http://www.totallycrap.com/videos/videos_drink_wodka_be_sick/ - wow.... |
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| 21:24:56 | * | n1s drank lots of vodka, "punsch", bailies, absinthe and beer this weekend ;-) |
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| 21:28:24 | Juice^ | hehe |
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| 21:29:32 | n1s | being a swedish studen I have quite a reputation to live up to... |
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| 21:30:21 | Soap | a "proper" swedish student would ship absinthe to all his American counterparts. |
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| 21:31:24 | Soap | Llorean: Is bootloader error -4 the "kiss of death" on Sansa phisher is making it out to be on the forums? |
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| 21:32:27 | midgey | i thought -4 meant a corrupt rockbox file |
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| 21:34:18 | Llorean | Soap: Error -4 is when you try to load the Original Firmware, but the OF.bin is either not there or not valid. |
| 21:34:32 | Llorean | Soap: Booting into recovery mode will work for it, though. |
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| 22:00:40 | dune2 | linuxstb: hi, i eard that you've done some improvement in mpegplayer |
| 22:01:11 | dune2 | linuxstb: can i help ? |
| 22:01:35 | perl|work | yay go dune2! |
| 22:01:36 | perl|work | :P |
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| 22:01:45 | perl|work | lol |
| 22:02:19 | linuxstb_ | Ah, co-incidences... |
| 22:02:39 | * | linuxstb_ just read the log. |
| 22:02:44 | dune2 | :) |
| 22:03:04 | linuxstb_ | dune2: All help is welcome. Have you done any work yet? |
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| 22:03:39 | linuxstb_ | I can give you my current patch if you want, but it seems to be introducing bugs - at least on my ipod, I'm getting corrupted audio. |
| 22:04:14 | zylche | Have you tried setting it's alignment to good? |
| 22:04:20 | dune2 | linuxstb: nope :) with my co-worker, we tried to add rebuffering ... but the main loop is to be change cause of the pointer initialised inside |
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| 22:05:13 | dune2 | linuxstb: i can test your patch and see what i can do and discuss with you ;) |
| 22:06:10 | HardDisk_WP | n8 |
| 22:07:08 | linuxstb_ | dune2: I haven't touched the buffering, so I'm happy for you to rework that however you want. But the most important thing is to try and be efficient, and not do any memcpying if we can avoid it. |
| 22:08:28 | dune2 | linuxstb: yes i understand, what we tryed, is to add rebuffering in get_next_data |
| 22:09:54 | linuxstb_ | My idea was that the main thread should do the buffering, not the video/audio threads, which is where get_next_data is called from IIRC. |
| 22:10:49 | dune2 | linuxstb: but i think that loading next data (by changing curr_packet and curr_packet_end and loading data) in get_next_data is not good ... cause it's too late and may lag ... we should preload in second buffer and swap it in get_next_data on need |
| 22:12:02 | linuxstb_ | I'm not sure I understand what you mean. There should be one large ringbuffer containing the input MPEG data, and the audio and video threads process the data directly from that buffer. When the ringbuffer reaches the low watermark (e.g. 2MB), the main thread should refill it. |
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| 22:15:54 | preglow | linuxstb_: you need to shorten the name of ipodpatcher down to "ip" or something to make the installation even more effortless, typing the command name is soon all that is left ;) |
| 22:16:07 | dune2 | i did not see it like that ;) but it's a solution :) ... my idea was : you always have 2 buffers ... use buffer[0] while buffer[1] is preloaded ... then when get_next_data go underrun, you change buffer[0] with buffer[1] ... then the main thread preload next chunk in buffer[0] and wait for get_next_data to go again on buffer[0] ... (the buffer index 0,1 can be done with the bit0 of paquet counter, so we need preload_chunk_counter and a get_next_data_c |
| 22:16:07 | dune2 | hunck_counter) |
| 22:16:28 | linuxstb_ | But doesn't that mean the disk is constantly spinning? |
| 22:17:26 | linuxstb_ | preglow: :) Next step is to embed the bootloader binaries.... |
| 22:17:56 | dune2 | only by chunk of 2Mb for example .... (so if 2Mbytes is 2min ... it will spin only the 2min ....) the buffer size is important .... |
| 22:19:21 | midgey | anyone opposed to me committing my rockboy changes? |
| 22:20:04 | linuxstb_ | midgey: I think that would be a time for celebration - no-one has touched it for months. |
| 22:20:15 | midgey | well then, hurray! |
| 22:22:30 | phrozen77_ | hi guys :) any news on the 5thgen 80gb ipods? *ducksforcover* |
| 22:23:03 | Bagder | we call it 5.5gen |
| 22:23:16 | linuxstb_ | dune2: It seems your approach will require almost twice the number of disk spinups than a ringbuffer? |
| 22:23:17 | phrozen77_ | sorry, forgot about that :) |
| 22:23:41 | midgey | phrozen77_: we know the problem and its being worked on, but its not an easy fix |
| 22:23:53 | linuxstb_ | Apple call it something like "Fifth Generation with Video (Late 2006)".... |
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| 22:24:27 | phrozen77_ | midgey: i know - just wanted to know if there was some sort of breakthrough or so |
| 22:24:40 | dune2 | linuxstb: in all the case, spinup of hdd will be proportional to the ratio time_to_decode_chunck/time_to_preload_next_chunk |
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| 22:26:56 | dune2 | linuxstb: to minimize hdd spinup , we just need to prepare the highest double_buffer_size we can do .... |
| 22:27:48 | Bagder | dune2: well, the better approach would be to use a single circular buffer, just like we do for the plain audio case. When there's only N seconds left of data, fill the buffer again... |
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| 22:28:17 | Bagder | it is almost like your "double" description, only with variable borders |
| 22:28:44 | dune2 | Bagder: ok ... i'm going to look how to do that .... |
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| 22:28:52 | linuxstb_ | dune2: Unless I'm misunderstanding, your approach reads a maximum of 14MB on each disk spinup, whereas a ringbuffer would be able to read 28MB minus our safety margin. |
| 22:29:05 | linuxstb_ | (assuming a 28MB total buffer). |
| 22:30:29 | dune2 | yes but if you wait having 2MB for example, you won't be able to preload next 28MB ... cause you are decoding the last 2MB and cannot ovewrite those 2MB ... |
| 22:30:44 | Bagder | no, then you read 26 fresh MB |
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| 22:31:14 | Bagder | if the safety margin is 2MB |
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| 22:31:46 | dune2 | yep but at the last 2MB of 26MB ... you will load only 24MB ? (because the last 2MB is now inside the 28MB buffer ... and so on) |
| 22:31:55 | Bagder | no |
| 22:32:01 | Bagder | a circular buffer |
| 22:32:10 | Bagder | when you have 2MB left, you load 26 fresh |
| 22:32:34 | Bagder | then when the 2MB is done you continue in on the 26MB chunk |
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| 22:33:04 | lostlogic | except that that separation is imaginary and the buffer is treated as continuous |
| 22:33:06 | Bagder | | −−−− 26MB −−−−−− | −−- 2MB −−−− | |
| 22:33:13 | dune2 | mmm yep i understand the circular buffer ... i wanted to avoid address calculation |
| 22:33:51 | Bagder | what's the downside with "address calculation"? |
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| 22:35:09 | dune2 | when scanning for next data, you need to keep address inside the buffer address space ... so need to round the address permanently ... |
| 22:36:19 | linuxstb_ | Yes, the wraparound point is the troublesome bit. Using a guard-buffer similar to Rockbox's audio playback code will help there. |
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| 22:36:53 | dune2 | which mean many modification in buffer scanning ... in my idea at the beginning was keeping buffer fixed size scanning swapping buffers when necessary :) |
| 22:37:20 | amiconn_ | Ring buffers aren't really difficult |
| 22:37:29 | dune2 | yes i agree :) |
| 22:37:32 | amiconn_ | Our playback engines all do ring buffering |
| 22:37:44 | linuxstb_ | I agree it's more work, but it's "the right thing". |
| 22:37:52 | amiconn_ | (hwcodec, swcodec, and even the minimalistic one in wavplay.rock) |
| 22:37:53 | dune2 | i agree :) |
| 22:38:47 | amiconn_ | Ring buffers can be made even a bit more efficient than what the simplified description by Bagder suggests |
| 22:39:29 | amiconn_ | If you start reading when there are 2MB left in the buffer, and you load fresh data in chunks, you can load more than just the 26MB |
| 22:40:07 | amiconn_ | ...since filling takes a while, and when reaching the end, a part of the 2MB remainder is already used up, ready for overwriting |
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| 22:40:47 | dune2 | if you consider that the loading time for 26MB > decoding time for 2MB yes :) |
| 22:41:13 | amiconn_ | Not necessarily |
| 22:41:15 | Bagder | well, you need to adjust accordingly |
| 22:41:40 | Bagder | but you do decode some of that 2MB while the 26MB is loading |
| 22:42:10 | dune2 | yes ... you do the read(actu -> end)+read(begin -> actu-2MB)+read(actu-2MB -> actu) |
| 22:42:46 | dune2 | this should optimize preload up to the real actu position |
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| 22:44:41 | dune2 | the "read(actu -> end)+read(begin -> actu-2MB)" is for wraparround ring_buffer |
| 22:45:24 | dune2 | mmmm ok ok ... i'm going to look like that :) |
| 22:47:31 | Bagder | minimizing the number of disk spinups needed is a key to good runtime |
| 22:47:47 | amiconn | preglow: Why does the ipodpatcher command name need shortening? |
| 22:47:51 | dune2 | yep i understand .. and agree :) |
| 22:48:05 | preglow | amiconn: i was just joking |
| 22:48:09 | amiconn | You can usually use ip<tab> |
| 22:48:19 | preglow | amiconn: regarding linuxstb's last commit removing the need from -scan |
| 22:48:21 | preglow | from/for |
| 22:52:25 | Bagder | with that rockboy commit, I forsee a new bunch of bricked sansas ;-) |
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| 22:53:02 | linuxstb_ | BTW, can people test ipodpatcher? I don't want to release it without at least a little more testing... |
| 22:53:19 | Soap | what sort of timetable are you needing the tests in linuxstb_ ? |
| 22:53:37 | Soap | I'm 8 hours into a 20+ hour runtime test... |
| 22:54:24 | Soap | so, with sleep and all I won't be able to test for 24 hours or so...) |
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| 22:54:48 | Bagder | man, you need to cancel that sleep when linuxstb calls! ;-P |
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| 22:55:23 | linuxstb_ | Soap: No rush... |
| 22:55:45 | Soap | is it on FS, or do you host the patch? |
| 22:56:06 | linuxstb_ | It's in SVN. |
| 22:56:22 | Soap | ok |
| 22:56:37 | linuxstb_ | Can you compile it yourself, or do you want a binary? It compiles easily in cygwin now. |
| 22:57:00 | Soap | I should be able to. |
| 22:57:02 | Soap | one sec |
| 22:57:18 | linuxstb_ | Just type 'make" in tools/ipodpatcher/ |
| 22:58:10 | midgey | build table may be stuck... |
| 22:58:51 | Soap | that was fast. Very fast considering how slow my computer is. |
| 22:59:10 | DerPapst | cool... ipodpatcher is now too easy :D |
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| 22:59:48 | Bagder | midgey: there's one server being very slow apparently... |
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| 23:00:16 | linuxstb_ | Which reminds me, does anyone have any tips for how to embed the bootloaders? Is there a "standard" way to incorporate binary data? |
| 23:02:33 | Bagder | there's no standard way I'm aware of |
| 23:02:41 | preglow | bin2h? :V |
| 23:03:03 | Bagder | bin2array rather |
| 23:03:25 | dune2 | linuxstb: i'm looking at the code ... but catch lot's of problems ... you have one memcopy in get_next_data which is to be cut in case of laking data (and avoid error in memcopy which end the stream) ... then need to do lots of job in mpeg_decoding and mad_decoding du to wrapping address .... |
| 23:05:10 | dune2 | linuxstb: i continue to look .... ;) |
| 23:05:15 | linuxstb_ | You probably know the buffering code better than I do - I didn't write that part of mpegplayer, it was a patch someone else wrote, which I included and then added audio decoding to. |
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| 23:06:08 | DerPapst | linuxstb: one thing.. if i now just type ipodpatcher without any args it doesn't display all possible commands anymore. instead it scans for ipods and if no ipod is found it give out 2 error nessages.. which are nearly the same. |
| 23:06:36 | linuxstb_ | DerPapst: Yes, I've noticed that.. |
| 23:06:53 | DerPapst | ok |
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| 23:08:51 | linuxstb_ | Apart from that, is it working OK for you? |
| 23:09:12 | DerPapst | still testing... |
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| 23:10:36 | DerPapst | odd.. i'm root on my windows box and it refuses to open the disk... |
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| 23:12:41 | DerPapst | ipodpatcher 0.6 doesn't complain |
| 23:12:51 | DerPapst | not sure about 0.7 |
| 23:13:08 | linuxstb_ | What does it say? |
| 23:14:41 | DerPapst | [INFO] Ipod found - Video (aka 5th Generation) ("winpod") - disk device 1 |
| 23:14:41 | DerPapst | Error opening disk: Zugriff verweigert |
| 23:14:47 | DerPapst | permission denied |
| 23:16:07 | DerPapst | woha |
| 23:16:15 | linuxstb_ | Is that when you try to write, or just the initial scan? |
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| 23:16:44 | DerPapst | both |
| 23:17:04 | DerPapst | ipodpatcher 0.7 doesn't work at all o.O |
| 23:18:06 | linuxstb_ | So the macpod commit broke it for you? |
| 23:19:16 | DerPapst | i think the ipodpatcher.exe on the download server is somehow corrupt. (ver. 0.7) |
| 23:20:25 | linuxstb_ | My copy is 150e07cfdead9afcee0249a59a328973 ipodpatcher.exe |
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| 23:20:46 | DerPapst | bad translated from a windows popup window: The NTVDM-CPU hat detected a not valid command. CS:0717 IP:9dac OP:ff ff ff ff ff... |
| 23:21:14 | Bagder | 150e07cfdead9afcee0249a59a328973 win32/ipodpatcher.exe |
| 23:21:17 | DerPapst | not sure if i have md5 on my box.. wait.. |
| 23:21:25 | Bagder | (on the dl server) |
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| 23:24:04 | DerPapst | d99c1198a62375b8d140ae45d3ef6b9b for me |
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| 23:25:15 | DerPapst | heh.. my fault... sorry ;) |
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| 23:27:38 | DerPapst | ok... about ipodpatcher 0.8svn again... if i don't use [device] i get that permission denied error. otherwise not. |
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| 23:28:05 | webguest30 | can someone help me with rockbox? |
| 23:28:07 | DerPapst | s/otherwise not/otherwise i get it |
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| 23:28:20 | Big_Mac | Hey guys |
| 23:28:23 | bluebrother | webguest30, no, unless you ask ;-) |
| 23:28:29 | webguest30 | i did? |
| 23:28:37 | bluebrother | no ... just ask here. |
| 23:28:37 | webguest30 | I asked if anyone can help me with rockbox? |
| 23:28:47 | webguest30 | can anyone help me with rockbox? |
| 23:28:52 | Bagder | just ask |
| 23:28:53 | DerPapst | no sorry |
| 23:28:55 | bluebrother | sure, but you don't need to ask that. Just ask your question |
| 23:28:57 | Bagder | and you'll find out |
| 23:28:58 | TrueJournals | webguest30: not if you don't ask... |
| 23:28:59 | webguest30 | ok |
| 23:29:01 | webguest30 | it says... |
| 23:29:06 | bluebrother | if someone knows an answer you'll get one |
| 23:29:18 | webguest30 | rockbox could not be found |
| 23:29:22 | webguest30 | on the ipod |
| 23:29:25 | webguest30 | 30 gb, 5 g. |
| 23:29:45 | TrueJournals | did you copy the .rockbox folder and rockbox.ipod file to your iPod? |
| 23:29:46 | bluebrother | have you extracted rockbox.zip to the root of your player? |
| 23:29:57 | webguest30 | ok... |
| 23:30:07 | webguest30 | i got the 2 files required from the manual the PDF one. |
| 23:30:15 | webguest30 | i put them in the rockbox folder in C: |
| 23:30:27 | webguest30 | i put in the ipodpatcher and that |
| 23:30:37 | webguest30 | i supposably load them in and it doesnt work/ |
| 23:30:40 | * | DerPapst thinks it's funny that peope ask if they may ask a question.. but haven't asked whether they may ask if it is ok to ask a question.... (recursive) :D |
| 23:30:44 | TrueJournals | Let's start out with this: did you follow all the manual instructions to the letter |
| 23:30:44 | bluebrother | you need to copy the folder .rockbox and rockbox.ipod manually to the device |
| 23:30:45 | Soap | webguest30: are you "PerryCaryk" in the forums? |
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| 23:31:12 | webguest30 | yes! |
| 23:31:12 | webguest30 | lol |
| 23:31:28 | bluebrother | did you actually *copy* the files to the player or only to the installation folder on your hard disk? |
| 23:31:29 | Soap | I wrote a detailed reply to your query in the forums... |
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| 23:31:56 | webguest30 | copy them to the ipod... as in drag them in or just simply use the cmd? |
| 23:32:04 | bluebrother | doesn't matter. |
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| 23:32:21 | bluebrother | the root of your ipod is supposed to have a folder .rockbox and a file rockbox.ipod afterwards. |
| 23:32:22 | webguest30 | so I can just drag them in through the my computer onto my ipod and bam it should work? |
| 23:32:26 | hachi | trac is down, is there any other system that replaced it? |
| 23:32:36 | bluebrother | how you manage to get them there is irrelevant |
| 23:32:37 | Big_Mac | svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox (if you have no username, try anonymous) <- Are they talking about a forum username or wiki or what |
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| 23:32:42 | hachi | cause it's been down for like 5 days now |
| 23:32:57 | TrueJournals | Big_Mac: SVN username... only really needed if you want to commit |
| 23:33:17 | Big_Mac | Ah ok so anonymous will be fine for now right |
| 23:33:28 | bluebrother | you don't need to provide a username |
| 23:33:29 | TrueJournals | actually... i've never been asked for a username when using SVN |
| 23:33:35 | bluebrother | unless you'll try to commit |
| 23:33:39 | linuxstb_ | DerPapst: When you don't use [device], does ipodpatcher detect your ipod correcty? |
| 23:33:41 | dune2 | ok ... see you tomorrow all ! |
| 23:33:45 | linuxstb_ | ^correctly? |
| 23:33:50 | webguest30 | ok so i drag the .rockbox folder and rockbox.ipod folder on ipod |
| 23:33:50 | n1s | hachi: What are you talking about? rockbox uses flyspray |
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| 23:34:07 | TrueJournals | webguest30: yes |
| 23:34:11 | webguest30 | yes? |
| 23:34:17 | TrueJournals | The BASE FOLDER of your iPod, yes |
| 23:34:21 | n1s | hachi: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/ |
| 23:34:24 | hachi | n1s, oh! dangit... I'm looking at ipl... sorry about that |
| 23:34:32 | DerPapst | linuxstb: yes. |
| 23:35:01 | webguest30 | ... |
| 23:35:05 | hachi | how do you get to the repository browser in flysparay? |
| 23:35:12 | DerPapst | also without device it is detected correctly but the permission is denied. |
| 23:35:12 | webguest30 | do any of you guys have teamspeak to help me out? it would be alot easier. |
| 23:35:36 | TrueJournals | webguest30: it's really not that complicated... just drag the .rockbox folder and rockbox.ipod file onto your iPod |
| 23:35:46 | webguest30 | i did. |
| 23:35:53 | linuxstb_ | hachi: flyspray is the task tracker. The source code is in SVN. |
| 23:36:12 | bluebrother | hachi, I guess you're referring to viewvc |
| 23:36:14 | webguest30 | so i dragged them on it still didnt make a differenec? should I restart it? |
| 23:36:16 | hachi | linuxstb_: so you guys don't have a browser like trac or web-svn |
| 23:36:17 | TrueJournals | webguest30: Then it should work fine... just make sure the files are there... maybe download rockbox again and see if it works |
| 23:36:26 | TrueJournals | webguest30: try restarting |
| 23:36:35 | webguest30 | ok |
| 23:36:37 | webguest30 | doing |
| 23:36:41 | Soap | webguest30: you are not providing detailed descriptions of the problems you are encountering. I feel quite strongly that I asked of you all the pertinent questions in the forums - in a very timely manner. If you would answer the questions / follow the steps I already laid out for you we would probably be done by now. |
| 23:36:49 | linuxstb_ | hachu: Yes, but not in flyspray. http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/ |
| 23:36:56 | DerPapst | hachi: something like that? http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/ |
| 23:37:03 | hachi | thanks! |
| 23:37:17 | DerPapst | hehe.. again.. not fast enough :P |
| 23:37:22 | webguest30 | wow still nothing. |
| 23:37:26 | webguest30 | i dragged them on the ipod. |
| 23:37:36 | webguest30 | restarted it and it is still ipod menu. |
| 23:37:36 | bluebrother | ok. Where exactly put you the files? |
| 23:37:40 | webguest30 | on my ipod |
| 23:37:42 | TrueJournals | webguest30: read Soap's post on the forum |
| 23:37:49 | bluebrother | and *where* on the ipod? |
| 23:37:50 | webguest30 | i did. |
| 23:37:51 | TrueJournals | webguest30: sounds like you didn't install the bootloader |
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| 23:37:59 | Soap | he has the bootloader |
| 23:38:06 | Soap | it is what gave him the error. |
| 23:38:11 | bluebrother | have you created a folder called "root"? |
| 23:38:16 | Soap | He skipped step 2.2.2 of the install |
| 23:38:34 | webguest30 | is that the pdf file? |
| 23:38:43 | webguest30 | there isnt any 2.2.2 on the pdf its just pages and step number. |
| 23:38:46 | DerPapst | is pastebin.ca down? |
| 23:38:59 | TrueJournals | webguest30: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodcolor/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-100002.2.2 |
| 23:39:01 | n1s | the manual online is the same as the one in the pdf |
| 23:39:04 | TrueJournals | you skipped that step |
| 23:39:10 | TrueJournals | (says Soap) |
| 23:39:33 | bluebrother | there is definitely a section 2.2.2 |
| 23:39:33 | webguest30 | 2.2.2 ok let me check it out... |
| 23:39:44 | DerPapst | linuxstb: can you /join #rockbox.flood |
| 23:39:46 | DerPapst | ? |
| 23:39:46 | bluebrother | that's called "installing the firmware" |
| 23:40:01 | TrueJournals | webguest30: It might just be a good idea to go to http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodcolor/rockbox-buildch2.html and follow all the instructions again |
| 23:40:02 | webguest30 | ill come back in 10 minutes let me get this stutff figured out |
| 23:40:04 | linuxstb_ | DerPapst: I think I found the problem - the scan function isn't closing the devices.... Try adding ipod_close(ipod) around line 1268 (before the }) |
| 23:40:04 | hachi | isn't step 2.2.2 the thing he JUST DID? |
| 23:40:13 | DerPapst | ok. |
| 23:40:25 | TrueJournals | hachi: that's what I was thinking... It really sounds like he's missing the bootloader (2.2.3 |
| 23:40:31 | webguest30 | w/e let me re read the manual. |
| 23:40:31 | bluebrother | no - 2.2.2 is extracting rockbox.zip |
| 23:40:38 | hachi | it has to be the bootloader |
| 23:40:42 | Soap | hachi: read the forum thread - the bootloader is what told him he doesn't have rockbox.ipod on his iPod. |
| 23:40:48 | hachi | bluebrother: rockbox.zip contains rockbox.ipod and .rockbox |
| 23:40:53 | bluebrother | but if he gets some "rockbox missing" message he has a bootloader installed |
| 23:40:58 | bluebrother | hachi, I know :) |
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| 23:41:06 | TrueJournals | Soap: but he's saying that it's booting into the iPod firmware... wouldn't it just reset if he didn't have the files? |
| 23:41:07 | Soap | ie: the old "error -1" |
| 23:41:10 | hachi | k, so now he needs to install the bootloader again |
| 23:41:15 | hachi | don't send the guy in circles |
| 23:41:17 | TrueJournals | (I duno, I don't have an iPod...) |
| 23:41:21 | hachi | once he has the firmware on it, leave it on there |
| 23:41:29 | webguest30 | i need the file "rockbox-2.5.tar.gz |
| 23:41:30 | joshua_ | heyo; I'm trying to build Rockbox again, and I'm still having toolchain related problems (it seems) |
| 23:41:32 | webguest30 | ? |
| 23:41:34 | bluebrother | webguest30, no. |
| 23:41:40 | joshua_ | what toolchains do you guys use to build Rockbox for ARM? are they available anywhere? |
| 23:41:42 | Soap | hachi: why do you think he needs to install the bootloader again? The bootloader is what is giving him the error. |
| 23:41:48 | bluebrother | rockbox 2.5 was only released for archos devices |
| 23:41:51 | hachi | because he's seeing the ipod menu |
| 23:42:02 | webguest30 | so I dont need rockbox-2.5.tar.gz? |
| 23:42:07 | bluebrother | no. |
| 23:42:08 | hachi | the rockbox bootloader wouldn't let him see that, he'd be seeing an error or rockbox if it was installed |
| 23:42:12 | TrueJournals | joshua_: read the wiki about cross compiling... there's a script that will install everything you need (in SVN, it's /tools/rockboxdev.sh) |
| 23:42:16 | Bagder | joshua_: we use gcc, lots of docs on that in the wiki at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
| 23:42:18 | Llorean | hachi: If you try to boot Rockbox, rockbox.ipod isn't found, it kicks you back to the Apple firmware. |
| 23:42:20 | bluebrother | ok. Lets start from the beginning. |
| 23:42:31 | bluebrother | When you reboot the ipod, what do you see? |
| 23:42:31 | Soap | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8679.0 |
| 23:42:37 | joshua_ | ah, d'oh, I'd been googling around for Rockbox gcc and my particular errors, but I hadn't actually searched the wiki. thanks |
| 23:43:02 | hachi | Llorean: ahh... my ipod never did that... but my ipod doesn't do much :) |
| 23:43:11 | webguest30 | ok let me tell you the files in my rockbox folder |
| 23:43:13 | Big_Mac | how do I copy from the vmware e term |
| 23:43:18 | Big_Mac | like copy and paste |
| 23:43:27 | bluebrother | webguest30, have you a command prompt open? |
| 23:43:29 | Soap | webguest30: we don't care what files are in your c:\rockbox folder. |
| 23:43:34 | TrueJournals | webguest30: it doesn't matter what's in the rockbox folder on your C: drive... what matters is what's on your iPod |
| 23:43:41 | Soap | webguest30: we care that files are on your iPod. |
| 23:43:41 | webguest30 | ok |
| 23:43:46 | TrueJournals | rockbox.ipod on the .rockbox folder need to be ON YOUR iPOD! |
| 23:43:54 | bluebrother | if not open one, and do a "dir x:" with x: being the drive letter your ipod has |
| 23:43:54 | webguest30 | ok they are literally on it |
| 23:44:01 | bluebrother | literally doesn't help |
| 23:44:10 | webguest30 | i dragged them onto the ipod |
| 23:44:17 | bluebrother | and _where_ on the ipod? |
| 23:44:19 | hachi | so when looking at your ipod directory listing you see things like |
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| 23:44:20 | webguest30 | so is that it |
| 23:44:22 | TrueJournals | webguest30: what files are listed when you open the iPod directory? |
| 23:44:31 | bluebrother | *please* run that cmd line I gave you |
| 23:44:32 | hachi | .rockbox, rockbox.ipod, Notes, iPod_Control, etc. ? |
| 23:44:34 | hachi | right? |
| 23:44:44 | webguest30 | idk... just were the other stuff is were the notes and contacts etc are |
| 23:44:51 | Soap | (he probably has hidden folders hidden hachi ) |
| 23:44:58 | Soap | (or not) |
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| 23:45:14 | TrueJournals | webguest30: when you go to your iPod in the file browser... do you see a rockbox.ipod file? |
| 23:45:19 | * | bluebrother still thinks a simple cmd line could help quite easily |
| 23:45:21 | DerPapst | linuxst: does ipodpatcher still cause problems on 4G (b&w) and mini 2G? |
| 23:45:28 | DerPapst | *linustb |
| 23:45:33 | DerPapst | meh... |
| 23:45:41 | * | DerPapst balmes his keyboard |
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| 23:45:49 | linuxstb_ | I think so, yes. Although someone reported loader2 works fine... |
| 23:46:05 | webguest30 | ok journal... when i click on my ipod in my computer i have a .rockbox i manually dragged onto there and a rockbox.ipod file i also dragged on there manually. |
| 23:46:27 | TrueJournals | webguest30: then everything should be good... restart your iPod and it should work |
| 23:46:32 | DerPapst | linustb_ aha... |
| 23:46:35 | TrueJournals | If it doesn't work... you're lying to us ;-) |
| 23:46:37 | linuxstb_ | DerPapst: The only problem on those ipods is loading the Apple firmware. |
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| 23:46:43 | webguest30 | so i dont need to any of the cmd stuff? |
| 23:46:47 | TrueJournals | no |
| 23:46:55 | webguest30 | ok |
| 23:46:57 | webguest30 | one second. |
| 23:46:59 | Soap | those files are to patch your bootloader - they are not the actual Rockbox firmware. |
| 23:47:11 | Soap | they are tools, and not needed _on_ your iPod. |
| 23:47:37 | TrueJournals | ok then, ignore me... listen to Soap, I don't actually have an iPod... |
| 23:47:42 | webguest30 | ok ipod restarted... |
| 23:47:44 | * | TrueJournals is really confused right now... |
| 23:47:44 | webguest30 | loading |
| 23:47:48 | webguest30 | ... |
| 23:48:08 | webguest30 | I get my regular ipod stuff :( |
| 23:48:13 | Soap | TrueJournals: I believe (I might be mistaken) he was talking about ipodpatcher and bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod. |
| 23:48:17 | Llorean | TrueJournals: Please, don't try to help with a device you don't own unless you'r 100% sure. |
| 23:48:17 | Big_Mac | how doI copy a segment of code from vmware so I can rafb it then show you it so you can tell me what I am doing wrong |
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| 23:48:44 | Llorean | Big_Mac: Open the file with an editor in windows. |
| 23:48:45 | Soap | webguest30: did your iPod boot instantly into Apple OS, or did you see some white text on a black background first? |
| 23:48:51 | TrueJournals | Llorean: I was 100% sure that you need .rockbox and rockbox.ipod... I was not aware that there was another type of rockbox.ipod file... |
| 23:49:02 | webguest30 | booted staright to apple OS |
| 23:49:18 | Soap | webguest30: then you need to force a reset with the "Menu"+"Select" combo. |
| 23:49:21 | Llorean | TrueJournals: Ah, there's a bootloader.ipod file |
| 23:49:23 | webguest30 | i have rockbox.ipod and .rockbox folder staright on there. |
| 23:49:23 | Big_Mac | no I am copying it from eterms, as in I am just trying to make a clean zip as Soapsuggested |
| 23:49:32 | webguest30 | i did do a force reset. |
| 23:49:40 | webguest30 | still didnt do squat. |
| 23:49:51 | TrueJournals | Llorean: But I did ask about a rockbox.ipod file specifically... not just any kind of .ipod file... I tried to be very careful with that... |
| 23:50:00 | Soap | ok, webguest30, since you originally posted in the forums, it appears then that you have removed the bootloader from your ipod. |
| 23:50:06 | Llorean | TrueJournals: Okay, I'm only half able to follow this with like forty people talking at once. |
| 23:50:13 | TrueJournals | lol |
| 23:50:22 | webguest30 | ;p; |
| 23:50:34 | webguest30 | ok so should I do something with the boot loader. should i manually drag that onto the ipod? |
| 23:50:35 | bluebrother | webguest30, then you need to repeat 2.2.3 of the manual |
| 23:50:44 | DerPapst | can someone chmod +r http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/linux64amd64/ipodpatcher if it exists? |
| 23:50:58 | bluebrother | you need ipodpatcher for installing the bootloader. No dragging for that one |
| 23:51:03 | Soap | What steps have you taken, webguest30 (and please change your nick to Perrycaryk with the "/nick PerryCaryk" command) SINCE your post two hours ago on the forums? |
| 23:51:05 | Big_Mac | Anyone....? |
| 23:51:23 | Soap | What is the question Big_Mac? |
| 23:51:35 | Big_Mac | How do I copy from eterms in vmware |
| 23:51:39 | TrueJournals | Big_Mac: run the command vmware-toolbox & and then copy from vmware |
| 23:51:39 | Big_Mac | I selected it |
| 23:51:42 | TrueJournals | paste in windows |
| 23:51:55 | TrueJournals | *command "vmware-toolbox &" |
| 23:51:57 | Big_Mac | but you can't right click or ctrl c |
| 23:52:22 | bluebrother | Big_Mac, linux usually uses simple selecting with the left mouse button for putting stuff into the clipboard |
| 23:52:34 | bluebrother | especially on the console |
| 23:53:02 | webguest30 | wow it works |
| 23:53:10 | webguest30 | ok ok ok thank you thank you ... I feel like a big idiot |
| 23:53:41 | Big_Mac | alright I will be back later |
| 23:53:46 | | Part Big_Mac |
| 23:54:48 | bluebrother | webguest30, please read the manual. Rockbox has some concepts that are a bit different |
| 23:55:11 | bluebrother | everything that is needed for music playback is explained there |
| 23:55:42 | bluebrother | (some advanced topics aren't completed or left out, but you'll find out yourself should you need them) |
| 23:58:20 | DataGhost | does rockbox work on 5.5G 30GB winpods? |
| 23:58:27 | DataGhost | because someone is complaining and I don't have one to test |
| 23:58:39 | DerPapst | err.. yes |
| 23:58:40 | DataGhost | or does it suffer from the same error as the 80GB? |
| 23:58:46 | DerPapst | no |
| 23:58:49 | DataGhost | oh then that tyeo dude is doing things wrong again |
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