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| 00:00:16 | bluebrother | because 30 and 80 is that much similar? |
| 00:00:36 | DerPapst | because they want iPL not rockbox i guess |
| 00:00:36 | DataGhost | well that thread is about rockbox too |
| 00:00:52 | DerPapst | yes i know... as you know |
| 00:00:54 | DataGhost | but if the 30GB iPods don't have the same error I fixed for the 80GB iPods, then I don't get why they are using my kernel |
| 00:01:03 | DataGhost | I don't even get why it works then |
| 00:01:16 | DataGhost | or does it use the big sectorsize AND support odd reads then? :) |
| 00:01:17 | DerPapst | they have a similar problem |
| 00:01:25 | DerPapst | nearly |
| 00:01:41 | DataGhost | but I need some sleep |
| 00:01:43 | DerPapst | it fails at parsing the partitiontable for the same reason as the 80GB iPod |
| 00:01:56 | linuxstb_ | DataGhost: Yes, the 30GB has 2048-byte sectors. |
| 00:02:02 | DataGhost | I just filled a database which is made from an ER-diagram, which just fits on a piece of A3 paper, completely cramped |
| 00:02:06 | DataGhost | and I feel horrible |
| 00:02:13 | DataGhost | it was in MS access, too |
| 00:03:44 | DataGhost | so... nn :) |
| 00:03:54 | DerPapst | and the only thing your patch fixed it parsing the partitiontable... |
| 00:04:10 | DerPapst | s/patch/hack |
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| 00:06:03 | DerPapst | after that dl the firmare for your ipod here: http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ |
| 00:06:23 | DerPapst | rename it to .zip and exract it. |
| 00:06:33 | markun | about the fixed bookmarking: "things that seem to be working just fine always appear somewhat suspicious to me..." |
| 00:06:40 | * | bluebrother just discovers a new forehead: his! |
| 00:06:47 | DerPapst | lol.. wrong channel |
| 00:07:08 | joshua_ | kickass, got gcc built and it's happily building rockbox now. |
| 00:07:16 | bluebrother | hehe ... I was referring to the irc stats. |
| 00:07:55 | bluebrother | now "his" gets attacked even more often than "forehead" :) |
| 00:08:29 | TrueJournals | umm... ok... |
| 00:08:57 | webguest30 | were in the forums can i find out how to put on themes? |
| 00:09:26 | TrueJournals | webguest30: not in the forums... in the wiki... or the manual (maybe...) |
| 00:09:44 | TrueJournals | Just find a theme, it should have everything ready to extract to the .rockbox folder on your iPod |
| 00:10:03 | | Quit robin0800 ("Few women admit their age. Few men act theirs.") |
| 00:10:04 | webguest30 | ok |
| 00:10:08 | joshua_ | ok, so my ultimate goal here is to get my own code running on the iPod, and I was considering using Rockbox as a base. the wiki says to mention Bagder or LinusN, but does anyone else know about how the boot process works? |
| 00:10:35 | webguest30 | anyways... the songs i currently have on my ipod I cannot listen to them because they are not dragged dircetly on the ipod on my computer correct? so i just dlete those and make playlists there? |
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| 00:12:07 | Llorean | webguest30: Read the manual. The database feature can allow you to use the music currently on it. |
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| 00:12:52 | webguest30 | i just like playing the game :D |
| 00:13:13 | TrueJournals | What? that made no sense... |
| 00:13:38 | webguest30 | the games/ |
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| 00:13:45 | TrueJournals | ah |
| 00:14:32 | * | bluebrother sighs |
| 00:14:44 | joshua_ | neat, looks like we start off in crt0-pp.S |
| 00:14:55 | markun | webguest30: then you will not need the themes, they only change the look when you play music. |
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| 00:15:18 | webguest30 | whats your favorite WPS? |
| 00:15:21 | linuxstb_ | joshua_: Yes, and the next step is main() in apps/main.c |
| 00:15:34 | joshua_ | okay |
| 00:15:46 | * | joshua_ writing an experimental iPod OS in Lua |
| 00:15:52 | markun | webguest30: mine is very spartan |
| 00:15:58 | joshua_ | is there any size restriction on rockbox.ipod? |
| 00:16:02 | markun | just text |
| 00:16:23 | webguest30 | ok for the wps.. I just drag it onto the themes file on my ipod and bam they should show up and I just select them and ti would work corrrect? |
| 00:16:48 | linuxstb_ | joshua_: No. |
| 00:16:55 | markun | joshua_: an OS written in a script language? |
| 00:17:03 | TrueJournals | webguest30: What WPS specifically are you trying to install? Can I have a link to the zip file so I can give well... detailed instructions |
| 00:17:16 | joshua_ | markun, yep. lua lends itself well to this. of course there will be C and assembler chunks to support Lua stuff, but the main loop etc will be in Lua |
| 00:17:21 | joshua_ | main thread, I guess I should say |
| 00:17:23 | linuxstb_ | (apart from the fact it's entirely loaded into RAM, so 32MB for most ipods, 64MB for the 60GB and 80GB video ipods). |
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| 00:17:40 | joshua_ | I'll keep it below 32mb. |
| 00:17:45 | markun | joshua_: interesting. What's the benefit? |
| 00:18:01 | markun | joshua_: and do you have an example of another OS using lua? |
| 00:18:04 | webguest30 | the flamebox one |
| 00:18:18 | linuxstb_ | Be aware that there's no malloc (deliberately) in Rockbox, and no MMU to help implement one. |
| 00:18:32 | joshua_ | markun, I have no other example. I'm not sure if there is a benefit; hopefully, I'll get some benefit from maintainability for myself. |
| 00:18:44 | joshua_ | linuxstb_, ah, I intend to just take the rest of memory and use it as heap. |
| 00:18:44 | webguest30 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g#iPod_Blue5g |
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| 00:18:50 | webguest30 | there the link for the WPS |
| 00:18:52 | joshua_ | need to load a dynamic library? load it into heap! |
| 00:18:58 | joshua_ | I'll probably just use dlmalloc. |
| 00:19:21 | markun | joshua_: why do you think lua lends itself well for it then? |
| 00:19:24 | Llorean | joshua_: Generally speaking, as much of the memory should be kept available for audio buffer, assuming you intend to actually be able to play music on it. |
| 00:19:44 | TrueJournals | sorry, I gotta go |
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| 00:19:47 | joshua_ | markun, lua is very small, and very fast. |
| 00:19:49 | webguest30 | so for the blue5g-2000 i just do what with it? |
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| 00:20:13 | joshua_ | Llorean, OK. is more of it on Rockbox split towards PCM buffer, or towards compressed buffer? |
| 00:20:19 | Llorean | Compressed |
| 00:20:43 | * | bluebrother still thinks a theme installer on the device would be useful. Should check if my patch needs syncing |
| 00:20:44 | webguest30 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g#Theme_X_Glow how will I put this as a theme? does it in the theme file on my ipod in my computer area? |
| 00:20:49 | Llorean | You only need enough PCM buffer to handle spikes in decode complexity. The more compressed buffer you have, the less often you need to actually spin up the disk to fill it. |
| 00:21:00 | joshua_ | right, okay. |
| 00:21:29 | webguest30 | ? |
| 00:21:52 | linuxstb_ | Rockbox has about 28MB for the compressed audio data, and 512KB for the uncompressed PCM data. |
| 00:21:54 | Big_Mac | Hey could someonetell me how to copy something again in VMware |
| 00:21:57 | joshua_ | that will be an interesting problem to solve then. I imagine having a on-malloc handler that pushes the buffer towards the back of memory, making malloc expensive, but avoiding issues with heap fragmentation |
| 00:22:35 | scorche | Big_Mac: cp |
| 00:23:13 | Big_Mac | ? just type cp or is that an abbreviation |
| 00:23:27 | scorche | cp is the linux command for copy... |
| 00:23:44 | Big_Mac | ah ok so just ype cp and it will copy selection |
| 00:23:46 | joshua_ | oh, neat, is iPod a drugged out smp system? I see some magic with coprocessors in crt0-pp.S |
| 00:23:51 | | Quit toer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 00:24:01 | scorche | are you trying to copy text or a file? |
| 00:24:02 | bluebrother | Big_Mac, not the selection. cp is for copying files |
| 00:24:21 | bluebrother | if you want to do copy&paste on text, just select it with the left mouse button |
| 00:24:22 | linuxstb_ | joshua_: Yes, there are two arm7tdmi cores. |
| 00:24:28 | bluebrother | middle mouse button inserts |
| 00:24:38 | joshua_ | cool. what does Rockbox do with them? |
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| 00:25:26 | scorche | and if you want to copy a selections between the host computer and the virtual one, you have to install VMware tools |
| 00:25:31 | dewdude | joshua_, right now..not much. there is a patch that will put the codec thread on the cop |
| 00:25:55 | dewdude | but that's about all that's been done |
| 00:26:01 | linuxstb_ | joshua_: Not a lot at the moment. The in-progress video player uses it (running the video decoding thread on the cop, and the audio decoding on the main cpu). |
| 00:26:17 | joshua_ | okay. just as long as I don't have to worry about using it in my system. |
| 00:26:39 | linuxstb_ | Yes, you should worry about it. |
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| 00:26:55 | dewdude | yes..just because it's there doesn't mean you should ignore it. |
| 00:27:07 | joshua_ | well, I mean, send it into a hlt loop or something |
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| 00:27:35 | markun | joshua_: wouldn't it be easier to use ipodlinux as a base? |
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| 00:27:42 | linuxstb_ | Yes, that's what Rockbox does currently (just sends it to sleep), but performance and battery life suffer. |
| 00:27:56 | TwilightInZero | Hi there. |
| 00:28:04 | markun | hi TwilightInZero |
| 00:28:23 | joshua_ | markun, I've played with iPL on my device, and I find performance to be severly lacking (well, judging by UI responsiveness, at least). Plus, NIH syndrome :) |
| 00:28:37 | Big_Mac | Any vmware users here because bluebrothers method did not work |
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| 00:29:36 | TwilightInZero | I used to use VMWare to play with Linux distros. I haven't tried using it to patch yet. |
| 00:29:48 | dewdude | i've been using it to patch and compile. |
| 00:29:56 | | Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 00:30:05 | dewdude | the only annoyance is the presence of x...and that i could fix if i wanted to. |
| 00:37:47 | TwilightInZero | Anyways, I came in at a little past midnight last night to make sure I didn't mess up adding my WPS to the wiki... And the room was dead. |
| 00:37:47 | TwilightInZero | Would anyone mind checking to make sure I did it right, or that I didn't break any rules? It's called Twilight, and it's a 5G iPod theme. |
| 00:37:47 | Big_Mac | http://rafb.net/p/FBkr9B88.html |
| 00:37:47 | Big_Mac | Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong? |
| 00:37:47 | Llorean | dewdude: Well, for the graphical sims that was kinda necessary. |
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| 00:37:47 | scorche | Big_Mac: omit the anonymous at the end |
| 00:37:47 | Big_Mac | ok |
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| 00:37:47 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Big_Mac |
| 00:37:47 | Big_Mac | ah thanks |
| 00:37:47 | Big_Mac | then I just let it run for a while right |
| 00:37:47 | dewdude | Llorean, ahhh...touche |
| 00:37:47 | | Quit ThiasHias ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") |
| 00:37:47 | Llorean | dewdude: The original version didn't actually have it, but people wanted/needed to build the sims. |
| 00:37:47 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 00:37:47 | Big_Mac | now I get this error |
| 00:37:47 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 00:37:47 | Big_Mac | http://rafb.net/p/tMSPF488.html |
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| 00:37:47 | | Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 00:38:32 | dewdude | Llorean, yes...makes sense...i don't compile sims or anything...so it's not in my thinking |
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| 00:39:33 | Big_Mac | ? |
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| 00:44:12 | Soap | can you ping any other outside host? |
| 00:44:18 | scorche | Big_Mac: does the image have an internet connection? |
| 00:44:19 | Big_Mac | can anyone help with this error |
| 00:44:22 | Big_Mac | http://rafb.net/p/tMSPF488.html |
| 00:44:34 | Big_Mac | Hmm |
| 00:44:35 | scorche | Big_Mac: being impatient gets you nowhere |
| 00:44:36 | Soap | Big_Mac: can you ping any other outside host? |
| 00:44:51 | Big_Mac | I am not sure |
| 00:45:07 | Soap | type ping 64.233.167.99 |
| 00:45:14 | Big_Mac | it is the standard image linked to in the vmware tutorial |
| 00:45:21 | Soap | If you can - it is a DNS issue. If you can't - it is a network connection issue. |
| 00:45:45 | Soap | (when I say if you can - I mean "if you get a response") |
| 00:45:47 | Soap | gotta go. |
| 00:46:31 | scorche | Big_Mac: just because you have the same image as all of us, doesnt mean that it is configured correctly...try pinging something |
| 00:46:51 | Big_Mac | I am |
| 00:47:48 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 00:48:37 | Big_Mac | Ok pinging is working |
| 00:49:56 | Big_Mac | but it won't stop |
| 00:50:05 | scorche | ctrl-C |
| 00:51:21 | Big_Mac | Ok |
| 00:51:33 | Big_Mac | So how can I fix a dns issue |
| 00:51:55 | | Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") |
| 00:52:54 | scorche | try svn co svn://83.168.254.42/rockbox/trunk rockbox |
| 00:53:50 | Big_Mac | svn: 'rockbox' is already a working copy for a different URL; run 'svn update' to complete it |
| 00:54:17 | Big_Mac | I typed svn update |
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| 00:54:35 | Big_Mac | and it read skipped'.' |
| 00:54:44 | DerPapst | or delete the existing rockbox dir... if you haven't made anything in it :P |
| 00:55:15 | Big_Mac | Yah I could do that, where is the default location it is placed |
| 00:55:39 | scorche | in a folder named "Rockbox" in whatever dir you typed the command in |
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| 00:56:20 | Big_Mac | I didn't cd anything so I will just search for it |
| 00:57:02 | scorche | from your paste, it is in your home dir |
| 00:58:50 | midgey | linuxstb: how well does the hold switch work on ipods? |
| 00:59:27 | midgey | there seem to be a lot of old bug reports with the ipod not coming out of hold; are those still vaild? |
| 00:59:42 | midgey | s/vaild/valid |
| 00:59:59 | linuxstb | Yes, the button driver can get stuck sometimes. Pressing some buttons, or scrolling the wheel normally fixes it. |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:30 | Big_Mac | Hmm where is the home directory usually because it is not on my c drive |
| 01:01:46 | midgey | ok, should those reports stay open or close them and make a note on IpodFAQ |
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| 01:02:21 | scorche | Big_Mac: read about how to interact with the image with samba |
| 01:02:34 | linuxstb | midgey: It's a valid bug, but there shouldn't be a need for more than one bug report. |
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| 01:04:12 | joshua_ | hmm, wee, I got my code working. |
| 01:04:15 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 01:04:15 | * | joshua_ gets a loud long piezo beep |
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| 01:05:39 | Big_Mac | the only thing the guide says is about file sharing, and it says it is in //debian/user so I tried running //debian //debian/user |
| 01:05:49 | Big_Mac | and no luck either way |
| 01:07:16 | scorche | so it does nothing when you type "//debian/user" into your windows explorer address bar? |
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| 01:08:33 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:09:11 | Big_Mac | Nope it opens Opera and I get a 404 |
| 01:11:29 | | Part pixelma |
| 01:20:24 | Big_Mac | So are there any othe potential places it could be? |
| 01:23:07 | | Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) |
| 01:25:59 | sneakums | don't you have to do \\debian\user in windows, or does it accept forward slashes too? |
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| 01:27:40 | scorche | errr....yes...sorry...i am not paying much attention to this |
| 01:27:46 | scorche | backslashes they are |
| 01:28:15 | Big_Mac | maybe that will work |
| 01:28:24 | Big_Mac | nope |
| 01:29:37 | Big_Mac | I get "The network path was not found" |
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| 01:30:20 | scorche | try resetting the image and try it again |
| 01:30:27 | scorche | samba can be finiky |
| 01:31:25 | Big_Mac | By resetting the image, do you mean restarting vmware or is their a reset option |
| 01:32:11 | scorche | shutdown -h now |
| 01:32:56 | Big_Mac | ? I get bash err |
| 01:32:59 | Big_Mac | error |
| 01:33:03 | scorche | run as root |
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| 01:34:21 | Big_Mac | I'm sorry man but I really don't know what running as root is I am just trying to learn now and the guide doesn't speak of that |
| 01:34:59 | scorche | type su |
| 01:35:02 | scorche | then hit enter |
| 01:35:32 | Big_Mac | k got it |
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| 01:35:42 | Big_Mac | you put in rockbox from there |
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| 01:35:52 | scorche | as the password, yes |
| 01:36:21 | Big_Mac | ok well it has never benn running from root so should I try the svn co command again from here? |
| 01:36:45 | scorche | but there was nothing wrong with that command... |
| 01:37:26 | scorche | you shouldnt run as root normally |
| 01:37:36 | scorche | only when needed |
| 01:37:48 | Big_Mac | oh ok |
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| 01:41:21 | Big_Mac | it powered down |
| 01:41:23 | Big_Mac | now what |
| 01:41:31 | scorche | start it back up |
| 01:41:47 | Big_Mac | is there a command for that? |
| 01:42:25 | scorche | just open the image again and it will go through the boot process |
| 01:44:45 | Big_Mac | wait it said power down. but never closed the windows |
| 01:47:03 | Big_Mac | See this is probably what deterred me the first time I used vmware |
| 01:47:17 | Big_Mac | things just take so much time |
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| 01:47:45 | scorche | what do you mean by never closed the windows? |
| 01:47:59 | Big_Mac | window |
| 01:48:05 | scorche | and they only take so much time because you have to ask how to do every little thing... |
| 01:48:05 | Big_Mac | it is still open |
| 01:48:14 | Big_Mac | and it just says power down |
| 01:48:36 | scorche | are you using player or server? |
| 01:48:40 | Big_Mac | that is because I am getting an error at every turn and the guide deals with none of them |
| 01:48:42 | Big_Mac | player |
| 01:49:05 | Llorean | Big_Mac: Because for everyone else, following the guide doesn't result in a ton of errors. |
| 01:49:18 | scorche | the guide never told you to type anonymous at the end of the checkout command...you did that yourself |
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| 01:49:42 | Big_Mac | yes it did |
| 01:49:47 | Llorean | For example the line you pastebinned ealier wasn't the right line, which is why it didn't work, but instead of just recognizing that it's not the line listed you had to ask for help with it. |
| 01:50:03 | Big_Mac | svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox (if you have no username, try anonymous) |
| 01:50:16 | Llorean | Big_Mac: Which guide is this? |
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| 01:50:38 | Big_Mac | VMWare development plaform |
| 01:50:45 | Big_Mac | platform |
| 01:51:44 | scorche | Big_Mac: somewhere in the tabs above, there is an option marked something like restart...click that |
| 01:51:58 | Llorean | Big_Mac: Yes, but at no point did it ask you for a username. |
| 01:52:57 | Big_Mac | I thought it was implying that you needed to put a username in that spot So I put bigmac and it didn't work so I tried anonymous |
| 01:53:50 | scorche | Big_Mac: then that is your fault for assuming it meant to put that at the end, when it said nothing about that |
| 01:54:16 | Llorean | The instructions should be read literally. |
| 01:54:27 | Llorean | If something, when taken literally, doesn't work, then they need updating. |
| 01:54:52 | Big_Mac | ok... |
| 01:54:56 | preglow | jhMikeS: as much as possible? :> |
| 01:56:12 | jhMikeS | preglow: yep, wanted to not overdo it in one commit. :D |
| 01:57:05 | preglow | so did you fix the case we messed around with yesterday? |
| 01:57:07 | preglow | or was it sunday? |
| 01:57:53 | jhMikeS | preglow: yes, but not ideall, and no, yesterday |
| 01:58:11 | preglow | not ideally as in not elegant, or as in might still click? |
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| 01:59:07 | jhMikeS | very quietly. it doesn't always have enough input |
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| 01:59:20 | SovietSniper | can someone tell me were the fonts are located? |
| 01:59:42 | jhMikeS | as far as large downsampling ratios, like 96kHz at 200%, haven't tried that :) |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:29 | Soap | SovietSniper: the "extras" link on the sidebar of most every web page will take you there. |
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| 02:01:05 | DerPapst | good noght. |
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| 02:06:38 | preglow | jhMikeS: cool anyway, nice to know it's not my fault at least, i'll test your changes tomorrow |
| 02:06:42 | preglow | but now: nighttime |
| 02:06:43 | * | jhMikeS likes that it's a big improvement that is nearly 100% deleting code |
| 02:06:51 | preglow | :) |
| 02:06:53 | jhMikeS | gnight |
| 02:06:56 | preglow | good night |
| 02:07:05 | preglow | probably isn't for you, but hey... |
| 02:07:15 | jhMikeS | not yet |
| 02:07:20 | preglow | anywho, laters |
| 02:07:54 | JdGordon | midgey: you couldnt reproduce the text viewer bug? I was pretty sure that it still exists because no code was ever commited to attemtp to fix it |
| 02:09:03 | midgey | JdGordon: i just created a new file on my h300 similar to his example and I had no problem. I connected to my computer, and created a new file that was a copy and paste of his example and it worked without issue |
| 02:09:12 | midgey | i tried with multiple fonts too |
| 02:09:53 | JdGordon | hmm ok |
| 02:10:31 | midgey | its strange because I have had the issue before, using that same example |
| 02:10:47 | JdGordon | maybe it was fixed? |
| 02:10:58 | JdGordon | i dont remember it being fixed tho :p |
| 02:11:50 | midgey | neither do i :) |
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| 02:14:20 | JdGordon | hmm... ye i cant reproduce it here also |
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| 02:14:34 | Llorean | What issue's being discussed? |
| 02:14:35 | Delphi | hmm is there a channel for ipodhelp? |
| 02:14:57 | midgey | Llorean: FS 6007 |
| 02:15:00 | Llorean | Delphi: If you just need generic help with your iPod, Apple has support forums, I believe |
| 02:15:03 | Delphi | because i have a (i think very easy problem) which might be rockboxrelated.. |
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| 02:15:15 | Delphi | what the heck ill just ask. |
| 02:16:07 | Delphi | you know, i installed rockbox and then i detatched the ipod (at "My Computer") and now the ipod doesn't appear there when i plug it in |
| 02:16:24 | Llorean | midgey: It may be that some of the other text viewer tunings included an undocumented fix of that bug? |
| 02:16:49 | Llorean | Delphi: Does the iPod show a "Do not Disconnect" screen? |
| 02:16:56 | JdGordon | nope... i just looked at the logs.. nothing looks like it should have fixed it! |
| 02:17:03 | Delphi | no no, its in the rockbox user interface |
| 02:17:26 | Llorean | Delphi: Yes, but when you attach USB in Rockbox, it should go to the Apple disk mode. You ARE using USB right? |
| 02:17:26 | Delphi | do i have to start it with the original interface to update files? |
| 02:17:36 | Delphi | firewire.. |
| 02:17:43 | Llorean | Delphi: As Rockbox doesn't support Firewire, in which case you have to manually reboot to the Apple OS or Disk Mode first |
| 02:18:01 | Delphi | and how do i do that? |
| 02:18:10 | Delphi | that might be answered on the webpage i guess. |
| 02:18:17 | Llorean | And the manual |
| 02:18:24 | Llorean | If you've got the new bootloader, just boot up with Hold on |
| 02:18:29 | Llorean | With the old one, hold Menu while booting up |
| 02:19:07 | Llorean | Or you can use the emergency disk mode, if your Apple OS refuses to work (Hold Play+Select immediately after using Menu+Select to force a reboot) |
| 02:19:24 | Delphi | okay.. thanks |
| 02:19:30 | Delphi | it seems to work though |
| 02:20:12 | Delphi | are there any plans for developing firewire support? |
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| 02:20:52 | Llorean | It'll probably happen eventually |
| 02:21:09 | Llorean | As a general assumption, there's a goal to make all hardware work, but there's never a plan to do it. |
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| 02:24:28 | Delphi | but i mean, is it that big a difference? |
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| 02:24:48 | Delphi | maybe it is.. i dont know anything about that stuff |
| 02:25:42 | PerryCaryk | How can you change your text color? all I can figure out is how to change your type of text. |
| 02:26:14 | JdGordon | display settings |
| 02:26:22 | PerryCaryk | under? |
| 02:26:26 | JdGordon | lcd settings |
| 02:26:48 | PerryCaryk | under |
| 02:26:52 | midgey | go to the menu > general settings >display > lcd settings > foreground color |
| 02:27:21 | PerryCaryk | ok thank you. |
| 02:27:39 | MonkeyTamer | out of curiosity, would options such as dithering and replaygain require much additional processing, as in affect battery life noticeably? |
| 02:27:57 | PerryCaryk | were can I find out how to transfer my songs on my ipod to this rockbox OS? what chapter? |
| 02:28:10 | MonkeyTamer | I know I can find out myself, I'm just wondering if anyone has a more expert opinion |
| 02:28:24 | Llorean | MonkeyTamer: You could probably measure a different in battery life between them, yes. |
| 02:28:30 | Llorean | But nobody's tested to see how much it is. |
| 02:28:42 | MonkeyTamer | that's all I wanted to hear |
| 02:28:52 | Llorean | PerryCaryk: You just drag 'n drop 'em onto the iPod. If you mean the ones already there, look up Database. |
| 02:28:57 | MonkeyTamer | Perhaps I'll give it a shot sometime and report any findings |
| 02:30:01 | Llorean | scorche: Alright, I'm *this* close to coming up with some way to record on user's profiles whether we've given them a "Use Real Words" warning and a "Not the place for feature requests" warning, because they're all starting to blend together |
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| 02:35:13 | Llorean | midgey: The EQ/noise/Gigabeat one definitely is fixed. |
| 02:35:24 | midgey | shall i close it? |
| 02:35:28 | Llorean | Already did. |
| 02:35:39 | midgey | good to hear |
| 02:35:45 | Llorean | I'd just forgotten to close it earlier. |
| 02:36:06 | bon3z-Quest4corn | lol im a idiot I was gonna install this but seems way to hard Later guys |
| 02:36:28 | bon3z-Quest4corn | this thing seems cool but im horrible with technical stuff so later |
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| 02:37:23 | MonkeyTamer | what was saying that possibly going to accomplish? |
| 02:37:58 | Llorean | "Oh, we have special instructions for non technical people. Just click the button on (url) and it'll do everything for you"? |
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| 02:39:09 | MonkeyTamer | hahaha |
| 02:40:54 | MonkeyTamer | that's the sad truth; people expect those sorts of answers, which leads to people downloading adware or those virus-laden "anti-virus" |
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| 02:41:49 | Llorean | There's always someone asking "Isn't there an easier way?" as if we show them the hardest way first just to see if they'll do it out of spite. |
| 02:42:45 | MonkeyTamer | well, let's be real... (sarcasm) they are inputting code into the command prompt |
| 02:43:56 | Llorean | I'm of the opinion that basic windows command prompt usage (at least how to execute programs, navigate a drive, and edit files with the text editor) should be taught in school, but that's me. |
| 02:44:33 | bospaadje | Llorean, they should teach that in linux :) |
| 02:45:06 | MonkeyTamer | still, if people were taught that, some of those guys at bestbuy and compusa wouldn't have jobs |
| 02:45:28 | MonkeyTamer | just kidding of course |
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| 02:49:24 | midgey | Llorean: can you reproduce #6605 ? |
| 02:51:26 | Llorean | midgey: I can't test right now, unfortunately. |
| 02:51:43 | midgey | ah, ok |
| 02:52:12 | midgey | well, thats my tracker cleaning for today |
| 02:52:12 | Llorean | It shouldn't be able to persist after poweroff. |
| 02:52:28 | Llorean | Anyway, I've bookmarked it, I can test in a few hours probably, I'll do so and post on it. |
| 02:52:50 | midgey | there's plenty of tasks open along the lines of "my ipod is slow" or "my menus are unresponsive" |
| 02:52:56 | midgey | im not sure what to do with those |
| 02:53:11 | midgey | and there's two or three that refer to the hold button getting stuck |
| 02:53:49 | Llorean | Well, close as 'duplicate' |
| 02:54:21 | Llorean | But I must go. |
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| 02:57:43 | Aaron3 | hey |
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| 03:00:07 | Aaron3 | Could anyone tell me if it would be difficult to allow playback of 96k 24-bit FLAC files on an Ipod without resampling? |
| 03:00:30 | Mikachu | that depends on if you consider impossible to be difficult or not |
| 03:02:05 | Aaron3 | I read that the Ipod's DAC should be able to play that sample rate but the playback engine needs adapting |
| 03:08:34 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:09:40 | MonkeyTamer | hmm... I wonder if the piano on the song I'm playing sounds so bad because of the file itself, or my settings |
| 03:09:54 | MonkeyTamer | I hear terrible static sound on the piano |
| 03:10:24 | MonkeyTamer | yet only when it gets to louder parts of the piece |
| 03:10:29 | joshua_ | Hmm, looking through the code for iPod Color, and I see: #define LCD_DEPTH 2 /* 4 colours - 2bpp */ |
| 03:10:43 | joshua_ | Rockbox still knows about color, but that seems obviously wrong |
| 03:11:46 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: did you change the pcmbuf function? |
| 03:11:59 | XavierGr | pcmbuf_insert that is |
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| 03:13:10 | midgey | joshua_: you sure you're in config-ipodcolor.h and not config-ipod4g.h ? |
| 03:13:10 | jhMikeS | XavierGr: yes |
| 03:13:28 | XavierGr | spc patch broke for that :( |
| 03:13:34 | * | jhMikeS wonders if he's in hot water now |
| 03:13:52 | joshua_ | midkay, I was looking at 4g.h. Good call. I was thrown off by the comment at the top. |
| 03:14:15 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: I think it is easily fixed |
| 03:14:18 | jhMikeS | It just takes samples instead of bytes and interleaved audio can just set ch2 to NULL |
| 03:14:29 | XavierGr | I will just apply your changes from the diffs |
| 03:14:40 | XavierGr | but I am not sure though if it will work out |
| 03:14:40 | jhMikeS | yeah, should be real quick |
| 03:14:54 | jhMikeS | where's the patch? |
| 03:15:20 | MonkeyTamer | hmm, turns out there's some distortion in the crossfeed for me, would this require lower decibel values for crossfeed? |
| 03:15:35 | XavierGr | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6542 |
| 03:15:50 | midgey | joshua_: I'll commit a change for that comment |
| 03:16:38 | joshua_ | midgey, sounds good. |
| 03:16:49 | XavierGr | I think I fixed it |
| 03:17:22 | XavierGr | removed the while and yield statement |
| 03:17:35 | XavierGr | and added the samples parameter (1024*2) |
| 03:17:55 | jhMikeS | should just be: ci->pcmbuf_insert(sample, NULL, WAV_CHUNK_SIZE) |
| 03:18:01 | jhMikeS | ci->yield() |
| 03:18:37 | XavierGr | oops I removed the yield |
| 03:18:40 | jhMikeS | s/sample/samples/ |
| 03:19:46 | XavierGr | ahhh!! My ears! |
| 03:19:57 | XavierGr | I think I've done something completely wrong |
| 03:20:12 | jhMikeS | just what I have above |
| 03:20:34 | jhMikeS | wait I forgot something too :) |
| 03:20:53 | jhMikeS | ci->pcmbuf_insert(samples, NULL, WAV_CHUNK_SIZE/2) |
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| 03:21:11 | jhMikeS | it's all samples per channel now |
| 03:24:50 | joshua_ | um, unsigned long on iPod is 4 bytes, right? |
| 03:25:09 | jhMikeS | joshua_: it is |
| 03:25:16 | joshua_ | that's what I assumed |
| 03:25:22 | XavierGr | ahh much better |
| 03:25:30 | XavierGr | I can't hear clicks now! :D |
| 03:25:33 | XavierGr | thanks jhMikeS |
| 03:25:52 | jhMikeS | XavierGr: welcome :) |
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| 03:35:57 | LeGreffi3R | hello all! |
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| 03:39:47 | joshua_ | man, LCD on iPod is ass slow. |
| 03:39:56 | joshua_ | I wonder how the official firmware talks to it so quick. |
| 03:40:27 | LeGreffi3R | joshua_> the firmware use the video chips |
| 03:40:36 | LeGreffi3R | joshua_> rockbox don't. |
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| 03:41:01 | joshua_ | hmm. |
| 03:41:08 | joshua_ | I'm talking about just painting from a framebuffer, though |
| 03:48:51 | joshua_ | looks like I can blank the screen about as fast as I can paint it, so it's not RAM that's limiting me. |
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| 03:49:46 | leftright | i codec failure using the latest bleeding edge build, mp3 H140, I have reset ALL settings AND reloaded ALL the files twice |
| 03:49:54 | leftright | i get codec |
| 03:50:32 | leftright | guess its pontless trying to chat to anyone now as those that count are asleep |
| 03:50:34 | jhMikeS | leftright: just tonight? haven't had a problems myself |
| 03:50:54 | leftright | yep just now, |
| 03:50:55 | dewdude | i've gotten codec failures once in a while... |
| 03:51:06 | dewdude | but that's about it...usually minor hiccup |
| 03:51:10 | leftright | mp3 files only |
| 03:51:19 | * | dewdude shrugs |
| 03:51:25 | dewdude | i've only had it do it on MPC files |
| 03:51:31 | jhMikeS | leftright: did you do a full update |
| 03:51:44 | leftright | yes i did a full update |
| 03:51:47 | midgey | and have you restarted or RoLoed ? |
| 03:51:50 | jhMikeS | hmmm... |
| 03:52:00 | leftright | Rolo'd AND restarted |
| 03:52:19 | leftright | my unit is flashed |
| 03:52:44 | leftright | but I haven;t flashed the latest build/new build |
| 03:53:17 | leftright | should I reflash it / |
| 03:53:18 | jhMikeS | Latest update codecs won't load in an build after my commit. Probably should have put that there. |
| 03:53:45 | leftright | huh, what does that mean / |
| 03:53:50 | jhMikeS | ...so iiow, yes try reflash |
| 03:54:13 | leftright | ok, 1 sec |
| 03:54:43 | joshua_ | man, you're sure there's no DMA engine or something? |
| 03:55:02 | Yamamoto | Stupid question here: How do I install themes? |
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| 03:56:01 | midgey | Yamamoto: install everything in the 'extras' menu on the left side |
| 03:56:08 | Soap | Yamamoto: a _properly_ formated WPS .zip can simply be extracted to the root of your player - it will have the full needed directory structure in the .zip file and will place the proper files in their proper location. |
| 03:56:26 | midgey | the manual describes it fairly well i think |
| 03:56:28 | Yamamoto | good deal, I'll try it |
| 03:56:43 | Yamamoto | so far I'm pretty happy with Rockbox. |
| 03:56:43 | midgey | some themes wont look right because they require patchs |
| 03:56:49 | midgey | good to hear |
| 03:57:13 | Soap | If (when) you find a WPS which does not have a full directory structure in the .zip file - PM me and I'll look into if the .zip file needs rebuilt - it is something I've been meaning to do. |
| 03:57:21 | Yamamoto | ok |
| 03:58:03 | Yamamoto | The only problem is that I can't charge w/my iPod's DC adapter. |
| 03:58:40 | Soap | sure you can. Why do you think you can't? |
| 03:58:49 | leftright | uggh, i'm trying to flash and it tells me incompatible version |
| 03:59:09 | Yamamoto | No, it keeps going to the USB screen and rebooting |
| 03:59:26 | Mikachu | update to a current build |
| 03:59:49 | Soap | Yamamoto: yea - this is an issue which was very recently fixed - how old is your build? |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:02 | jhMikeS | leftright: maybe flash from a disk version? |
| 04:00:24 | Yamamoto | I'll give that a try. I'm not using the apple software to manage my music...would that ener into it? |
| 04:00:27 | leftright | i'll chanhe the boot sequence then |
| 04:00:32 | Yamamoto | I loaded it Sat nite |
| 04:00:36 | Soap | Yamamoto: no, that would not enter into it. |
| 04:00:45 | Yamamoto | didn't think so |
| 04:01:09 | Soap | Yamamoto: yep - three days is a long time in iPod rockbox world as of late. |
| 04:01:13 | Yamamoto | ha |
| 04:01:45 | MonkeyTamer | Feb 4 was when the commit was made to identify DC charger |
| 04:01:58 | MonkeyTamer | so, definitely update |
| 04:01:59 | Soap | I'm serious - it's getting hard to keep up with all the great commits those boys have been doing. |
| 04:02:16 | MonkeyTamer | all within a realtively short period of time |
| 04:02:45 | MonkeyTamer | Late December sparked some of it, but now a lot is rapidly coming together |
| 04:03:09 | dewdude | things are getting better....the momentum is picking up |
| 04:04:02 | MonkeyTamer | especially with the Kop; it's got a bit of work left, but the battery life with it enabled is slightly better w/o, alongside the potential to reduce the load on the main core |
| 04:04:05 | Mikachu | it makes sense that more gets done in the winter :) |
| 04:04:27 | MonkeyTamer | *than without |
| 04:04:31 | leftright | jhMikeS:flashing got rid of the codec failure, thanks |
| 04:04:44 | leftright | now t update the wiki |
| 04:05:09 | Yamamoto | I like that you all have ogg support |
| 04:05:32 | Mikachu | and not just one of us? :) |
| 04:05:46 | Yamamoto | heh :) |
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| 04:06:32 | Yamamoto | Just curious, I tried to install the bootloader under Suse 10.1 and it kept telling me my ipod wasn't an ipod |
| 04:06:36 | MonkeyTamer | I'm definitely coming to like ogg and flac quite a bit |
| 04:06:52 | MonkeyTamer | what generation? |
| 04:07:04 | Yamamoto | for my own stuff, that's all i use |
| 04:07:14 | Yamamoto | 5.5 30gb |
| 04:07:43 | MonkeyTamer | I'm not very knowledgeable on the linux side of things to be honest. |
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| 04:08:06 | MonkeyTamer | I know how to use the Debian environment, and that's good enough for me :p |
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| 04:08:24 | Yamamoto | I've used debian |
| 04:08:50 | Yamamoto | I may get enthusiastic and split my drive and reload it |
| 04:08:52 | dewdude | the vmware image is based on debian |
| 04:08:56 | Mikachu | jhMikeS: do you mind hinting how to change the pcmbuf_insert in the spc codec? |
| 04:09:20 | * | Mikachu tried multiplying the last argument by 2 and dividing it by 2 |
| 04:09:28 | dewdude | Yamamoto, there's a vmware image based on debian if you just want to do rockbox stuff...preloaded with everything you need to patch and compile |
| 04:09:28 | jhMikeS | Mikachu: I can do that or but in another patch version |
| 04:09:39 | jhMikeS | s/but/put |
| 04:09:51 | Yamamoto | hm |
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| 04:10:02 | Mikachu | either is fine by me, but the second is probably more useful :) |
| 04:10:02 | JdGordo1 | jhMikeS: "Humbly may I suggest a global_state structure to do all this state" you didnt see the global_status struct? |
| 04:10:04 | MonkeyTamer | I do like the image, albeit at times it gets my computer confused every now and then |
| 04:10:25 | dewdude | MonkeyTamer, odd. i've had no problems with it |
| 04:10:25 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: no :D |
| 04:10:31 | TerrorByte | MonkeyTamer! |
| 04:10:35 | MonkeyTamer | hello |
| 04:10:40 | TerrorByte | Can you help me with the patch stuff now? |
| 04:10:41 | TerrorByte | :) |
| 04:10:42 | jhMikeS | JdGordo1 that is |
| 04:10:57 | MonkeyTamer | the only issue I have is with it recognizing the folder where rockbox is stored, |
| 04:10:58 | TerrorByte | VMware Player is loading the image now. |
| 04:11:00 | MonkeyTamer | sure |
| 04:11:10 | jhMikeS | I did say ignore me if someone was already working on it. hehe |
| 04:11:21 | JdGordo1 | jhMikeS: its struct system_status above the global_settings struct |
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| 04:11:32 | MonkeyTamer | probably my fault with how I set up my services though on Windows |
| 04:11:34 | * | Mikachu randomly tries dividing by 4 |
| 04:11:42 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: guess I whizzed right by it |
| 04:11:50 | dewdude | MonkeyTamer, possibly..you using the vmware player or workstation? |
| 04:11:50 | TerrorByte | Okay. |
| 04:11:55 | TerrorByte | What do I put in the login screen? |
| 04:11:59 | TerrorByte | Login and Password? |
| 04:11:59 | MonkeyTamer | player |
| 04:12:04 | MonkeyTamer | user |
| 04:12:06 | MonkeyTamer | rockbox |
| 04:12:07 | dewdude | ahh, see, i've got workstation. |
| 04:12:10 | MonkeyTamer | respectively |
| 04:12:17 | MonkeyTamer | that might be why |
| 04:12:19 | jhMikeS | Mikachu: ci->pcmbuf_insert(samples, NULL, WAV_CHUNK_SIZE/2) |
| 04:12:31 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: yeah, it might need some comments aound it to make it mroe visiblie... settings.h line 251 |
| 04:12:31 | MonkeyTamer | the password won't display anything |
| 04:12:42 | Mikachu | thanks |
| 04:12:42 | MonkeyTamer | just type it correctly, and it should connect |
| 04:12:48 | dewdude | TerrorByte, all that is explained in the vmware wiki page, you should read that |
| 04:12:57 | MonkeyTamer | yeah, it's all there |
| 04:13:01 | TerrorByte | I did. |
| 04:13:04 | jhMikeS | oh darn, I'll just redo it and put it right then. I'll add the radio screen to boot...why not? |
| 04:13:22 | MonkeyTamer | the only pages you need are the vmware wiki page, and the patching page |
| 04:13:33 | dewdude | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform |
| 04:13:40 | Mikachu | this sounds a lot better than before :) |
| 04:13:45 | MonkeyTamer | and you never really need to remember the commands anyways, because it saves them |
| 04:14:02 | dewdude | it helps to remember them. |
| 04:14:17 | MonkeyTamer | it does save time and confusion, true |
| 04:14:23 | dewdude | i remember everything except the svn line...and that is in buffer |
| 04:14:38 | TerrorByte | I went to Xshell and Exterm. |
| 04:14:42 | MonkeyTamer | I as well, just that initial command, difficult to remember |
| 04:14:51 | TerrorByte | Now I have no idea what to do. |
| 04:14:53 | dewdude | TerrorByte, you only need one of them. |
| 04:14:57 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: where's the actual status structure variable defined? |
| 04:14:59 | TerrorByte | ??? |
| 04:15:22 | dewdude | and obviously, if you have no idea what to do, you've never used linux and probably have no place trying to compile/patch your own build |
| 04:15:27 | TerrorByte | But Eterm is in Xshells |
| 04:15:29 | JdGordon | settings.c isnt it? |
| 04:15:36 | * | JdGordon checks |
| 04:15:39 | * | dewdude shrugs |
| 04:15:44 | dewdude | i disabled the GUI on mine |
| 04:15:44 | * | Mikachu enjoys some secret of mana music |
| 04:15:48 | MonkeyTamer | gotta learn somehow though I suppose |
| 04:15:54 | TerrorByte | Damn straight. |
| 04:16:14 | MonkeyTamer | TerrorByte: are you looking at the wiki? |
| 04:16:14 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: settings.c:76 |
| 04:16:20 | TerrorByte | Yes. |
| 04:16:31 | TerrorByte | Also trying to find that patch. |
| 04:16:49 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: and extern'ed in settings.h:682 |
| 04:16:50 | MonkeyTamer | if you're having trouble, stick to pming me or something if the Wiki is difficult to remove clutter |
| 04:16:50 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: and where do we put the initial values |
| 04:17:11 | JdGordon | they are handled in settings_list.c with the other settings |
| 04:18:17 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: hopefully the SYSTEM_SETTING() macro will work for all of them |
| 04:18:50 | jhMikeS | the radio status and recording can't be persited though |
| 04:19:30 | Mikachu | weird, this one spc has some clicking |
| 04:19:36 | jhMikeS | maybe those should just be initialized normally |
| 04:20:28 | jhMikeS | Mikachu: does pitching up or down change that? |
| 04:21:20 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: im not 100% sure, but i tinhk those settings are not written to any file by default, the current ones are because they are written to nvram, but if you use 0 for the flags they wont be saved |
| 04:21:26 | * | JdGordon double checks that |
| 04:22:05 | Mikachu | no, but the clicking changes frequency |
| 04:22:07 | Mikachu | it could just be the spc |
| 04:22:18 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I'm just thinking simple ones that would basically be static variable could just be initialized with .var_name |
| 04:22:20 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: yes, they wont be saved |
| 04:22:21 | Mikachu | it's sort of irregular too |
| 04:22:49 | Mikachu | yeah, it stopped when an instrument stopped, must be the spc plugin or the spc itself |
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| 04:22:58 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: doing that wont make them resettable during tho... or is that a good thing? |
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| 04:23:38 | jhMikeS | Mikachu: They should all behave the same from the resampler point of view so it could be that one |
| 04:24:02 | Mikachu | yeah, not your problem :) |
| 04:24:05 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: Screen state variable should probably not be reset like that |
| 04:24:19 | hcs | Mikachu: what SPC is this? |
| 04:24:33 | hcs | the BRR cache way be a cause |
| 04:24:36 | hcs | *may |
| 04:24:40 | Mikachu | let me see |
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| 04:25:00 | Mikachu | Seiken Densetsu II Track 17 Spirit of the Night.spc |
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| 04:25:26 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: For some it's probaly just best to put their initial values in the definition for global_status |
| 04:25:26 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: you could set the inital values in settings_load(), it is only called on boot |
| 04:25:36 | JdGordon | or that... |
| 04:26:08 | jhMikeS | I think that's the simplest really. They're initialized with constant. |
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| 04:27:05 | hcs | has something been fixed in the resampler? |
| 04:27:50 | jhMikeS | hcs: yes, I fixed size errors from all the sample<>byte conversion |
| 04:29:13 | JdGordon | hmm.... I thought we couldnt do struct blaa blaa = {...} unless it was const? seems to compile without error tho so maybe just do that? |
| 04:30:49 | hcs | hm, so was a fix required on the codec end? |
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| 04:31:04 | jhMikeS | Was gonna do like: .fm_radio_status = FM_RADIO_OFF |
| 04:31:47 | hcs | nm, I see the comment now |
| 04:31:55 | jhMikeS | hcs: Codecs have to send samples/channel now instead of bytes |
| 04:32:20 | jhMikeS | that simplified the heck out of everything |
| 04:34:12 | hcs | makes sense |
| 04:34:59 | hcs | there's a new version of the SPC code from blargg that I haven't gotten around to testing yet, I'll check this out on spc24 first |
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| 04:36:31 | leftright | H140, shouldn't the play button take one back to the wps at any time ? it doesn;t do that if one is in menus, or is it a feature that the play buttin expands the menus ? |
| 04:38:53 | leftright | e.g. place cursor over volume in settings menu, pressing play now expands that menu, is this intentional ?, i would've thought pressing play would take one back to the wps |
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| 04:39:38 | leftright | JdGordon: ^^ |
| 04:49:50 | leftright | anyone here with acces to flyspray / |
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| 04:55:00 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: yes, this should be much neater and no function calls for simple variable checks. |
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| 04:55:52 | Yamamoto | got it. I had to manually transfer stuff over to the .ps folder |
| 04:55:57 | Yamamoto | w... |
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| 05:06:00 | Yamamoto | spiffy |
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| 05:09:54 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I'm too tired to think of a good comment about the structure thought I'd like to put one there. Guess I'll commit the changes and then pass out. :) |
| 05:14:10 | TerrorByte | OH WOW. |
| 05:14:12 | TerrorByte | WOOOOW. |
| 05:14:18 | TerrorByte | MonkeyTamer helped me with the patching. |
| 05:14:29 | TerrorByte | And I patched the kernel_on_cop_8.diff |
| 05:14:33 | TerrorByte | It's awesome. |
| 05:14:42 | TerrorByte | I'm running Elephant's Dream Wide Screen. |
| 05:14:52 | TerrorByte | No skipping frames and frames limited. |
| 05:14:55 | TerrorByte | Runs synced with sound. |
| 05:14:57 | TerrorByte | PERFECTLY. |
| 05:14:58 | TerrorByte | :) |
| 05:15:02 | Soap | target? |
| 05:15:18 | TerrorByte | H10 20 GB :) |
| 05:15:21 | TerrorByte | Before, without the patch. |
| 05:15:30 | TerrorByte | I'd get speeds of 11 or less FPS. |
| 05:15:33 | TerrorByte | Now with the patch. |
| 05:15:38 | TerrorByte | I can go upto like 35 FPS or something. |
| 05:15:44 | TerrorByte | I'm limiting FPS. |
| 05:15:51 | TerrorByte | Runs totally synced with sound. |
| 05:16:00 | TerrorByte | Kickass! |
| 05:16:44 | TerrorByte | Lemme see how fullscreen works. |
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| 05:18:56 | TerrorByte | Well it drops a bit when there's a lot going on... |
| 05:18:59 | TerrorByte | But always above 22. |
| 05:19:15 | TerrorByte | Just... WOW. |
| 05:20:34 | MonkeyTamer | that's good to hear; I was unaware that there had been that many instructions for the second core |
| 05:21:16 | TerrorByte | Widescreen it runs SYNCED THROUGHOUT. |
| 05:21:20 | TerrorByte | :) |
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| 05:31:26 | * | jhMikeS hope's there's no red or new yellow, too tired for that |
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| 05:38:01 | jhMikeS | oy |
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| 05:39:47 | jhMikeS | guess you have to have at least one init...rrr |
| 05:47:07 | lostlogic | jhMikeS: nice work on the resampling stuff. |
| 05:49:32 | jhMikeS | lostlogic: thanks. hope it's working ok and not blowing up. :) |
| 05:50:00 | lostlogic | haven't tried it yet, just read over the diffs and it looks right, including the finally getting rid of the non-split insert. |
| 05:51:03 | jhMikeS | unfortunately I wasn't able to test every codec to verify if I changed the bytes to samples right |
| 05:51:44 | lostlogic | hehe, well I'll only test ogg and flac myself, once I update. |
| 05:53:05 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: what do the values not explicitly set get in the system_status var? 0? |
| 05:54:52 | jhMikeS | lostlogic: I did test ogg, flac, mp3, sid, wav, aiff, wavpack |
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| 05:56:06 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: yes, there is a bit of redundancy in my setting those that way since they'll already be false |
| 05:56:57 | jhMikeS | though I want to start it off with good habits and be explicit for those. just my neurosis about it |
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| 05:57:46 | JdGordon | ah, no i agree that that way is better than {0,0,0,1,0} ; :p |
| 05:58:47 | hcs | I notice that the changes to the codecs involve removing the call to yield(), is that handled within pcmbuf_insert now? |
| 05:58:49 | jhMikeS | yeah, I thing I concur :) |
| 05:59:24 | jhMikeS | hcs: the call to yield isn't removed, it was never reached and the loop can actually cause a lockup |
| 05:59:43 | hcs | ohh |
| 05:59:45 | hcs | ok |
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| 06:00:03 | hcs | good to know |
| 06:00:04 | jhMikeS | that was from the days the codecs actually called the pcm buffer function directly |
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| 06:03:22 | JdGordon | anyone know how to add a printer in xfce4 ? |
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| 06:16:41 | webguest35 | quick question for doom. when i download the wad file were do i put it? |
| 06:17:00 | threedguru | up your ass |
| 06:17:09 | webguest35 | screw you expert. |
| 06:17:10 | threedguru | lol sniper |
| 06:17:31 | webguest35 | zzz i want to sleep but i want doom on my ipod |
| 06:17:59 | webguest35 | anyone here that can help someone out with doom? |
| 06:18:54 | JdGordon | /.rockbx/games/doom iirc |
| 06:18:58 | dewdude | the information you seek can be found in the wiki |
| 06:18:58 | threedguru | hey the rockbox folder i put on the ipod itself should have to differnt files a .rockbox folder and the rockbox.ipod right/? |
| 06:19:20 | dewdude | no |
| 06:19:22 | webguest35 | ill help you 2moro expert... but dew dude... i have the doom1.wad file were do I put it? |
| 06:19:43 | dewdude | dude, there's a wiki |
| 06:19:45 | dewdude | read it |
| 06:19:57 | threedguru | well dont help then |
| 06:20:06 | threedguru | this is here for help not bitchin |
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| 06:20:24 | webguest35 | can you give me a link? |
| 06:20:46 | dewdude | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
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| 06:21:13 | dewdude | threedguru, yes, but that is something that can easily be found on the website |
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| 06:21:37 | dewdude | however |
| 06:21:39 | threedguru | i understand |
| 06:21:52 | dewdude | rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder go on the root of the ipod |
| 06:22:01 | threedguru | ok thank you |
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| 06:35:45 | hcs | what frequency should I output at if I don't want rockbox to have to resample? |
| 06:36:51 | hcs | I'm going to update the code that's on there now, blargg sent me some new stuff which was supposed to be faster but runs slower in my tests |
| 06:37:30 | hcs | so it'll just be a corrected spc24 |
| 06:37:42 | hcs | until I do some more thorough testing |
| 06:39:57 | hcs | sorry, intended that for another channel, though not entirely out of place here |
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| 07:02:02 | amiconn | hrmpf. |
| 07:02:35 | amiconn | global_status is for persistent status *only* - and it's pretty tight. |
| 07:03:14 | JdGordon | no its not... |
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| 07:04:06 | JdGordon | I checked the code, the only reason the SYSTEM_SETTING() vars are persisted is because they have the NVRAM() flags.. |
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| 07:06:35 | amiconn | JdGordon: There are also the real status vars like resume_index etc |
| 07:07:44 | JdGordon | they are persisted with the nvram() flags... |
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| 07:10:09 | JdGordon | hmm.... I dont like Mike's latest commit tho |
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| 07:13:26 | amiconn | Me neither |
| 07:14:08 | amiconn | There is a solution that involves some more ifdefing |
| 07:14:58 | JdGordon | i just replaced it with setting .runtime instead of creating the dummy var |
| 07:15:07 | JdGordon | it gets overwirtten anyway so its no big deal |
| 07:15:12 | amiconn | ah |
| 07:15:24 | amiconn | I thought about ifdefing the whole initialiser |
| 07:15:52 | JdGordon | thats not very nice tho.. |
| 07:16:35 | * | amiconn wonders what's the advantage of putting these status vars in global_status over having them in their respective modules |
| 07:16:51 | * | JdGordon agrees |
| 07:17:01 | JdGordon | there is too much module intermindling in rockbox :p |
| 07:17:11 | JdGordon | mingling* |
| 07:17:23 | * | JdGordon isnt 100% sure tats actually a word.. |
| 07:25:07 | hcs | ah, it is so nice to not hear clicking in my 32KHz mp3s |
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| 07:28:05 | leftright | i really think that pressing play whilst in the settings menu should return one to the WPS, and not expand menus, i thought that pressing play at any time would return one to wps |
| 07:30:14 | JdGordon | leftright: it should... but the current code doesnt really allow for it.... the new menu system which is pretty much ready to go in will do that |
| 07:30:32 | amiconn | oh? |
| 07:30:37 | * | amiconn wouldn't like that |
| 07:30:50 | JdGordon | why not? |
| 07:30:55 | leftright | ah thats good news then jd |
| 07:31:00 | amiconn | The menu is the menu, not a screen, and leaving it should always bring you back where you came from |
| 07:31:40 | leftright | but play currently expands menus, thus there are two ways of expanding menus and non for returning quickly to the wps |
| 07:31:53 | JdGordon | amiconn: sorry, yeah thats what it will do |
| 07:31:54 | amiconn | What target are you talking about? |
| 07:32:01 | leftright | H140 |
| 07:32:13 | amiconn | ah |
| 07:32:23 | * | amiconn never even tried to press Play in the menu on iriver |
| 07:33:10 | leftright | well i only discovered that by pressing play thinking that it would return me to the wps |
| 07:33:11 | amiconn | leftright: I think that the menu should allow for "quick leave", i.e. leave the whole tree with one button |
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| 07:33:44 | amiconn | The menu button could do this. For stepping back level-by-level there's still the Left button |
| 07:33:57 | leftright | i'm so used to using play to return to wps, i was surprised when it expanded menus instead |
| 07:34:13 | amiconn | Imho this would be more logical than using Play |
| 07:34:18 | webguest83 | On the rockbox, 4g ipod when I try to load the original firmware, it keeps restarting and restarting, never booting into the original firmware |
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| 07:34:49 | webguest83 | I've both ways (using the pause/play and hold, and also turning off the ipod and holding the menu button |
| 07:35:12 | amiconn | leftright: Maybe it depends on the point of view. I'm never thinking about "returning to the wps" |
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| 07:35:26 | amiconn | This would imply the wps being the root, which it isn't |
| 07:36:08 | leftright | amiconn: i dont realy mind what button is used, as long as there is consistancy across all the screens, I would like to not have to remmber that in this screen press button x to return to wps, and in that screen use button y to return to wps |
| 07:36:21 | amiconn | There are screens which I can switch around. The browser is the root. Then there are the menus, which should leave to where you entered them from |
| 07:37:03 | leftright | yes but seeing as play is defined as the button to return to wps, surely it should be consistant ? |
| 07:37:11 | amiconn | The only screens which don't quite fit into this scheme are radio and recording, because they're entered *via* the menu |
| 07:37:30 | amiconn | leftright: Play does *not* _return_ to the wps |
| 07:37:53 | amiconn | Play is resume when you're in the browser, that's all |
| 07:37:54 | leftright | yes it does if one is in certain screens |
| 07:38:10 | leftright | nope i disagree |
| 07:38:28 | JdGordon | Im working on a patch which will solve this start creen non-sence once and for all, and presumably, play would be used to return to whichever "music" screen you were on (wps,fm,rec) (keys havnt been worked out fully yet...) |
| 07:38:44 | amiconn | Do you say Play should go to the wps from radio or recording screen? |
| 07:39:04 | leftright | no |
| 07:39:15 | amiconn | So there's no consistency anyway |
| 07:39:20 | amiconn | And menus are not a screen |
| 07:39:43 | leftright | my issue is with browsing menus and pressing play doesn't return one to wps |
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| 07:40:02 | amiconn | Yes, because Play isn't a typical return key |
| 07:40:43 | leftright | does it make sense to have two methods of expanding settings menus and no method for returning quickly to wps |
| 07:40:48 | webguest83 | my ipod keeps restarting over and over again when I try to load the apple firmware |
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| 07:42:26 | amiconn | leftright: There are in fact 3 methods to expand submenus then. And I already said that the menu should allow quick leaving, but to where you came from, not to another screen |
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| 07:43:40 | leftright | *shrugs*, i've said my say, certainly dont think that current method is intuitive |
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| 07:44:50 | JdGordon | amiconn: speaking of the menus... have you had a chance to check out the patch on the ml? Id like to get an ok to commit it so the actual setting part of the menus can be moved across |
| 07:46:54 | amiconn | No, not yet. Not much time atm |
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| 07:47:28 | amiconn | Why not on fs, btw? |
| 07:48:11 | JdGordon | i dunno... I started it on the ml and just kept updating it there... i guess i should put it on fs |
| 07:50:57 | JdGordon | ok, im confused.. in tree.c there is a static struct backup; .... backup = tc; niether of those are pointers, so how is that allowed? |
| 07:51:32 | JdGordon | Im sure I learned back in first year C you couldnt do that with structs |
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| 07:52:31 | Aaron3 | hey |
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| 07:53:19 | Aaron3 | I just installed VMWare and i'm trying to install svn using the command "apt-get install svn" and its telling me permission denied, unable to lock the administration directory |
| 07:53:28 | Aaron3 | I logged in as user:rockbox |
| 07:53:39 | Aaron3 | Does anyone know what might be wrong? |
| 07:53:44 | JdGordon | try sudo apt-get install subversion |
| 07:54:06 | hachi | on debian/ubuntu you have to be root to install software via apt-get |
| 07:54:12 | Aaron3 | It still says the same thing. |
| 07:54:28 | hachi | there's no way |
| 07:54:31 | scorche | Aaron3: use the newest image...it has svn already installed |
| 07:54:35 | hachi | sudo makes you root |
| 07:54:59 | Aaron3 | Isn't the newest Debian-2.7z? |
| 07:55:03 | scorche | nope |
| 07:55:09 | Aaron3 | alright |
| 07:55:48 | Aaron3 | For some reason the VMware no longer shows the rockbox image in the background. Does that matter? |
| 07:56:16 | scorche | well, you will be using a different image when you dl it anyway |
| 07:56:24 | Aaron3 | And can I just replace all the files, or do I need to do some sort of uninstall |
| 07:57:32 | daurnimator | hi all |
| 07:57:32 | scorche | nope...you just choose to load the newest image |
| 07:57:42 | Aaron3 | Alright, thanks |
| 07:57:46 | daurnimator | JdGordon: hows the menu patch? ;) |
| 07:57:57 | JdGordon | waiting for someone to ok it :p |
| 07:58:15 | Aaron3 | Do you have any recommendations for a cool new patch to install first? |
| 07:59:17 | JdGordon | ok... prize to whoever can explain how rockbox_browse() works :p |
| 07:59:44 | amiconn | JdGordon: You can. If you have struct blah a; and struct blah b; , and then do a = b, C will copy the contents from b to a |
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| 08:00:13 | JdGordon | oh? Im sure I learnt you couldnt do that :p |
| 08:00:18 | amiconn | ...either using either memcpy() or some optimised special form of it |
| 08:01:05 | amiconn | This means that the simple a = b; is a rather costly operation if the structs are large |
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| 08:02:13 | amiconn | You can, but you shouldn't do it without thinking about this. For passing data around struct pointers are far more efficient |
| 08:02:37 | amiconn | But in the case you mentioned the name says it all, and the copying is intended |
| 08:02:58 | JdGordon | its not really needed there tho I dont think |
| 08:03:12 | * | JdGordon has a little play :p |
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| 08:04:18 | amiconn | Try browsing something in the main browser, then use a sub-browser, and after that return to main. I'm quite sure it's there for handling this situation. |
| 08:04:49 | JdGordon | it is, but I think it may be unnecassery |
| 08:04:54 | amiconn | Pay special attention to the stuck-in-subdir issue |
| 08:05:17 | amiconn | We had that a while ago - very annoying |
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| 08:16:06 | JdGordon | is the root of the db / ? |
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| 08:27:09 | [toffe] | For the log : have a look on the wiki, I upload a small comparative power consumption on the F40 |
| 08:27:20 | [toffe] | there is a problem with Rockbox |
| 08:27:36 | [toffe] | lcd off is nearly twice the original firmware |
| 08:27:48 | [toffe] | 70ma instead of 40ma... |
| 08:27:59 | [toffe] | there is no difference between 100 and 300 mhz |
| 08:28:10 | [toffe] | I will recheck to be sure |
| 08:28:19 | [toffe] | see you tomorrow |
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| 08:32:41 | JdGordon | back to this idea of a root menu, if we are in /blaa/ in the tree, then jump to a menu or wps or db.. would be ever not want it to automatically open at the dir we left it in? |
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| 08:40:45 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Not sure if this answers your question, but IMHO the main menu isn't an option in the root menu - the "screens" are the options in the root menu. So file browser -> menu -> browser should take you back where you were, but entering the WPS should move the file browser to the current file if follow playlist is enabled. |
| 08:41:28 | linuxstb | The menu should stay as a "pop-up" menu, where exiting the menu takes you back to where you were. With viewports, we could make the pop-up nature of the menu more obvious on the larger LCDs. |
| 08:43:51 | mick | Now that the global status is in place: could someone look at FS #5049 (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5049) or at least the idea there? |
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| 08:45:16 | illriginal | Hey buys... I picked clear screen on my toshiba... and now the whole screen is white and uh.. i can't put it back to normal settings... since i can't see anything. |
| 08:45:56 | mick | Bagder: you seem to be the font guy (you made the recent font commits). What about http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5982 (changes to nimbus fonts)? They are used in many WPS's and hence should be polished as much as possible. |
| 08:46:05 | GodEater | turn it off, then back on again, and as soon as you've see the gigabeat logo, turn on the hold switch |
| 08:46:33 | illriginal | ok |
| 08:46:48 | illriginal | wait.. what? |
| 08:47:02 | illriginal | what would the hold switch do?... |
| 08:47:22 | hcs | reset settings |
| 08:47:23 | illriginal | whoa |
| 08:47:29 | illriginal | that's f'n nice |
| 08:47:36 | GodEater | that will reset the settings back to their defaults |
| 08:47:51 | illriginal | thanks a lot for that info... what's the point of the clear screen anyways? |
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| 08:51:00 | GodEater | do you mean "clear backdrop" ? |
| 08:52:47 | illriginal | yep |
| 08:53:01 | illriginal | no offense, i find it to be kinda... pointless. |
| 08:53:10 | hcs | ah, I assume you had white text |
| 08:53:18 | illriginal | unless you remember each settin |
| 08:53:18 | hcs | or matching the bg color? |
| 08:53:18 | JdGordon | linuxstb: (didnt see your msg before :p) the main menu shouldnt be an item in the root menu? |
| 08:53:30 | illriginal | i had black text with gray background |
| 08:53:39 | illriginal | then the clear made everything white. |
| 08:53:49 | hcs | then clear backdrop shouldn't have done that... |
| 08:54:08 | GodEater | unless you had a gray .bmp as the backdrop |
| 08:54:13 | GodEater | and white as the bg color setting |
| 08:54:21 | GodEater | hrm |
| 08:54:22 | GodEater | no |
| 08:54:25 | GodEater | that still makes no sense |
| 08:54:26 | hcs | black, as he had black text |
| 08:54:31 | illriginal | for a fact |
| 08:54:32 | linuxstb | JdGordon: That's just my opinion, but I like the fact that it's a pop-up menu, and think it should stay like that. If you put it in the root menu, then it changes to being a "screen" like all the others. |
| 08:54:32 | hcs | hm, right |
| 08:54:34 | illriginal | the text was black |
| 08:54:36 | GodEater | when is your build from |
| 08:54:41 | illriginal | and the background was gray... default. |
| 08:54:51 | * | hcs checks on his gigabeat |
| 08:55:02 | GodEater | clear backdrop didn't do that on mine hcs |
| 08:55:05 | GodEater | I just tried it |
| 08:55:10 | illriginal | i haven't updated in over a week. |
| 08:55:13 | GodEater | it just cleared the .bmp |
| 08:55:34 | hcs | yeah, expected behavior here, too |
| 08:55:41 | GodEater | mines's a build from the 31st of Jan |
| 08:55:42 | JdGordon | linuxstb: dinner.. back sooon, im not sure if i like the main menu not being treated like the other "screens"... continue in 20min |
| 08:55:44 | hcs | but I'm up to date with SVN |
| 08:56:08 | GodEater | illriginal: I suggest you update to latest SVN in that case |
| 08:56:09 | illriginal | hm... i should do the update then :P |
| 08:56:17 | illriginal | has there been any better updates? |
| 08:56:39 | hcs | fixes for odd samplerates |
| 08:56:45 | GodEater | well if it fixes that issue for you, I'd define that as "better" :) |
| 08:57:18 | hcs | rockbox is fairly fluid, so a lot has probably changed |
| 08:57:36 | illriginal | :P nice |
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| 08:58:01 | hcs | want SPC playback? I've got builds for that... |
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| 08:59:39 | Aaron3 | Hey, I just used the Simple guide to patching and compiling and I have a question. When I go to apply patches, am I going to find out that there are errors when I tell it to make the file? |
| 08:59:47 | Aaron3 | or after running the patch command before that |
| 09:00 |
| 09:00:06 | hcs | patch will tell you about errors |
| 09:00:15 | hcs | errors in patching, at least |
| 09:00:39 | hcs | if the patch applys cleanly there might still be build errors, though |
| 09:01:12 | Aaron3 | And if I just installed one patch and ran the make file command, what exactly does the code "cvs -q up -dPC" do? Does that remove any patches I've applied to the original CVS code it downloaded? |
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| 09:01:21 | Aaron3 | or SVN I mean |
| 09:01:50 | hcs | I think "svn revert" is the proper command |
| 09:02:08 | hcs | "svn revert ." if you are in the directory to be reverted |
| 09:02:29 | Aaron3 | Alright, well I just tried to install a plug in for my first go at patching so I'll see how it works |
| 09:04:02 | hcs | hm, "svn revert" does not work |
| 09:04:26 | Aaron3 | Well I guess I'll just use the command to redownload the SVN for now |
| 09:04:45 | hcs | I tend to keep a clean SVN archived and just replace it with that |
| 09:04:53 | Aaron3 | Thats a good idea |
| 09:05:18 | hcs | ah, "svn revert -R ." |
| 09:05:26 | hcs | to revert recursively |
| 09:05:40 | linuxstb | svn itself keeps a clean copy on your computer - so it can be done without going back to the server. |
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| 09:06:25 | hcs | still that won't clean up new files that have been created |
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| 09:06:36 | Aaron3 | So now that I've applied the Rocklife plug in, if I close up VMPlayer, then come at a later time to apply more patches to whatever is in the rockbox folder, it will be there until I revert? |
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| 09:07:52 | hcs | I think so, but I have not used the vmware image |
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| 09:08:10 | Aaron | Alright, I'll figure it out over the next couple days when I mess around with it more |
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| 09:10:21 | Aaron | Hmm, when I applied the patch I saw a line about it creating rocklife.c or rocklife.rock I thought |
| 09:10:40 | Aaron | But not that I put the new build I made on my ipod I don't see any Rocklife in the Plugins |
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| 09:11:34 | linuxstb | Aaron: Type "svn status" in the rockbox/apps/ directory - does it show an "M" next to the plugins/SOURCES file? |
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| 09:12:19 | Aaron | Let me see. I see the line that said "patching file apps/plugins/rocklife.c |
| 09:12:27 | linuxstb | And did you type "make zip" to create a rockbox.zip which you then installed on your player? |
| 09:12:36 | Aaron | yeah |
| 09:13:02 | Aaron | I pulled it from the \\debian\user\rockbox\ipod_video folder I made |
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| 09:13:56 | Aaron | whe nI browsed to apps and typed svn status |
| 09:14:00 | Aaron | it said |
| 09:14:11 | Aaron | svn: warningL '.' is not a working copy |
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| 09:14:45 | linuxstb | Is it the right apps? There is also an apps/ directory in your build directory. |
| 09:15:00 | Aaron | oh, i'm in the build_video directory, sorry |
| 09:15:01 | Aaron | let me see |
| 09:15:18 | Aaron | it says |
| 09:15:25 | Aaron | ? plugins/rocklife.c |
| 09:16:02 | linuxstb | That's fine - it just means svn knows nothing about the file. |
| 09:16:14 | decayedcell_ | offtopic but what do I download to get stdio.h, unistd.h and string.h? |
| 09:16:17 | hcs | but nothing mentioning plugins/SOURCES? |
| 09:16:29 | hcs | that'd mean the build system doesn't know about it |
| 09:16:33 | linuxstb | decayedcell_: On debian-like systems it's build-essentials |
| 09:16:40 | decayedcell_ | linuxstb cheers |
| 09:17:13 | linuxstb | Sorry, build-essential (singular) |
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| 09:17:21 | decayedcell_ | hmm I have it installed but it complains |
| 09:17:28 | hcs | in which case you can just add the line plugins/rocklife.c to the SOURCES file |
| 09:18:05 | Aaron | Why didn't that get added when I did the initial patching? |
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| 09:18:19 | linuxstb | decayedcell_: Then try libc6-dev |
| 09:18:46 | linuxstb | Aaron: Which patch did you download? The rocklife_3.diff version? |
| 09:18:58 | Aaron | no, I downloaded rocklife.patch |
| 09:19:25 | hcs | rocklife_3.diff will include the proper patch |
| 09:19:38 | linuxstb | Just delete the rocklife.c file, and then apply the rocklife_3.diff |
| 09:20:18 | decayedcell_ | linuxstb hmm thats installed too... theres an amd64 version of it too do I need that? Hmm but I'm running 32 bit Kubuntu with an AMD64 CPU |
| 09:20:40 | Aaron | so I go into the plugins and tell it to delete rocklife.c |
| 09:21:20 | linuxstb | decayedcell_: I'm not sure then. |
| 09:21:40 | decayedcell_ | ah yes and also with the ipodpatcher linuxstb, if iPL is used to shrink the firmware partition to fit iPL, ipodpatcher −−scan brings up an Xnil error, and ipodpatcher is unable to figure out what partitions are on the ipod. Removing and adding bootloader still works though. |
| 09:21:45 | GodEater | does anyone know if *BSD OSes all call partitions "slices", or is it just OSX ? |
| 09:22:14 | hcs | I think solaris does, sounds familiar |
| 09:22:16 | Aaron | I typed "rm rocklife.c" |
| 09:22:22 | GodEater | I *know* solaris does |
| 09:22:24 | Aaron | It didn't say anything went right or wrong |
| 09:22:34 | LinusN | Aaron: then it worked |
| 09:22:37 | GodEater | I'm just curious about BSD flavour distros |
| 09:23:30 | * | GodEater has a very dusty Solaris admin certificate lying around somewhere |
| 09:23:50 | linuxstb | decayedcell_: Then don't use the IPL installer :) Could you send me a dump of the partition table from such an ipod? (dd if=/dev/sdX of=mbr-ipl.bin count=1 in Cygwin or Linux) |
| 09:24:38 | Aaron | okay, when I did that it said it patched sources |
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| 09:25:52 | decayedcell_ | linuxstb I don't use the iPL installer on my iPod, just others to put on iPL easily. I'll be able to get a dump tomorrow. |
| 09:26:26 | Aaron | Thanks for all your guys help |
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| 09:30:54 | linuxstb | decayedcell_: OK, thanks. A copy of ipodpatcher's output would be helpful as well. |
| 09:31:45 | Aaron | Is the COP patch included in the SVN build I downloaded through VMPlayer? |
| 09:32:15 | linuxstb | No |
| 09:32:23 | w1ll14m | Aaron: cop8 is compatible with svn |
| 09:32:52 | Aaron | Maybe the frequency patch and COP8 are patches I shouldn't mess around with right now |
| 09:33:52 | w1ll14m | Aaron: it works pretty stable, but it's always the most stable if you just use SVN |
| 09:34:45 | Aaron | Well I've been running Senabs build for a while on my 60gig 5G |
| 09:35:01 | w1ll14m | Aaron: ahh i have a 60GB 5g too :) |
| 09:35:03 | Aaron | And I've been meaning to try a version without COP because I'm getting horrible battery life |
| 09:35:16 | w1ll14m | do you use eq? |
| 09:35:27 | Aaron | No, I keep things pretty standard |
| 09:35:36 | w1ll14m | ok, then you better use svn :) |
| 09:36:07 | Aaron | I would love to be able to get the Ipod to be able to play 96k 24 bit files without them being resampled to 16 bit |
| 09:36:18 | Aaron | I read on the forums that it should be able to be done |
| 09:36:41 | Aaron | Its not like many of my flac files are 24 bit, but I do have some vinyl rips that are |
| 09:36:45 | w1ll14m | Aaron: i don't think hardware allows it |
| 09:37:26 | linuxstb | w1ll14m: ipods should be able to. |
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| 09:38:57 | decayedcell_ | okay I think I've found a bug... |
| 09:39:24 | decayedcell_ | seems to be affecting my 5.5G iPod only. When Rockbox loads up, it displays the logo, and sometimes the backlight turns off |
| 09:39:27 | Aaron | linuxstb - Do you think anyone will ever try to implement it? |
| 09:39:48 | decayedcell_ | Then the backlight remains permanently off and I can't turn it on again without rebooting |
| 09:41:49 | Aaron | Well the rocklife plugin worked although I thought on the patch tracker page it said it was supposed to use some colors |
| 09:41:53 | decayedcell_ | basically the backlight cuts when its going to full brightness (its supposed to go to full brightness when the logo is up then come back down again) |
| 09:42:06 | * | decayedcell_ checks that its not a patch bug |
| 09:42:27 | w1ll14m | decayedcell: what patches do you have, i encouter the same problem.... |
| 09:42:37 | linuxstb | Aaron: I hope so - I can live without 24-bit support, but would like to see at least support for different samplerates (Rockbox currently resamples everything to 44.1KHz). I have lots of 48KHz files. |
| 09:43:21 | decayedcell_ | w1ll14m I have the cop 8, brightness 7, backlight plugin patch |
| 09:43:36 | decayedcell_ | also the chessbox patch |
| 09:43:46 | w1ll14m | i have cop8, ipod brightness 6 and frequency patch |
| 09:43:54 | decayedcell_ | brightness 6 works? |
| 09:43:57 | w1ll14m | maybe brightness 7 ;) |
| 09:44:01 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 09:44:23 | decayedcell_ | hmm I'm going to try not patching with brightness see if the bug is still present |
| 09:44:28 | w1ll14m | no i'm using 6 |
| 09:44:44 | decayedcell_ | 7 added the other targets I think thats all |
| 09:44:52 | w1ll14m | could be :) |
| 09:45:03 | decayedcell_ | it was one of my personal requests :p |
| 09:45:06 | w1ll14m | dman it's white out side :) |
| 09:45:09 | w1ll14m | amn* |
| 09:46:01 | decayedcell_ | w1ll14m are you running a 5.5G or 5G? It doesn't seem to happen on my friends 5G with the same compile of Rockbox |
| 09:46:22 | w1ll14m | both |
| 09:46:34 | w1ll14m | no.... sorry :) only 5g |
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| 09:47:14 | w1ll14m | i have 30 and 60GB 5g's both the same problem |
| 09:47:28 | w1ll14m | then reset, and it's okay again... seems to be after usb :) |
| 09:47:35 | w1ll14m | after usb connection.... |
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| 09:49:57 | decayedcell_ | Mine happens without USB connection... happens anytime |
| 09:50:31 | w1ll14m | decayedcell: i encountered also a few just out of nothing, bot it happens more often after a usb connection here.... |
| 09:51:18 | decayedcell_ | Happens more with Directory Cache set to ON here lol =/ |
| 09:51:30 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 09:51:57 | w1ll14m | dir cache on here :) |
| 09:53:00 | decayedcell_ | But I know its not Dir Cache specific because without it it still does it |
| 09:53:14 | w1ll14m | ok |
| 09:53:28 | w1ll14m | what is you brightness setting? |
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| 09:54:19 | w1ll14m | mine is 8 |
| 09:54:52 | Aaron | I'm going to install the COP8, then the frequency patch, then the 64 meg Ipod memory patch |
| 09:54:59 | w1ll14m | k |
| 09:55:21 | w1ll14m | i also have the 64mb memory patch.. but it's not specific because my 30gb |
| 09:55:46 | decayedcell_ | w1ll14m my brightness setting is 7. Hmm might test different brightness levels lol |
| 09:57:32 | decayedcell_ | using iPL loader doesn't help either, so its probably not a bootloader thing |
| 09:58:32 | Aaron | So when I went to apply the frequency patch it said: 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED- saving rejects to file firmware/system.c.rej |
| 09:58:40 | JdGordon | anyone interested in trying out a very early version of the root menu? |
| 09:58:41 | Aaron | then it said patching file firmare/export/system.h |
| 09:58:51 | Aaron | Is this build I'm trying to make totally messed up now and do I need to revert? |
| 09:59:00 | Aaron | The COP patch applied fine |
| 09:59:07 | decayedcell_ | JdGordon what does this consist of |
| 09:59:16 | Aaron | I'll try |
| 09:59:43 | JdGordon | decayedcell_: compiling with a patch r telling me which atrget you wnat to test on |
| 09:59:44 | decayedcell_ | hmm w1ll14m first boot fine |
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| 10:00:28 | decayedcell_ | JdGordon 5.5G iPod Video 30G. What does the root menu do |
| 10:00:51 | w1ll14m | decayed cell ok... |
| 10:00:59 | w1ll14m | Aaron: whats the name of your patch ? |
| 10:01:13 | w1ll14m | that failed |
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| 10:01:31 | Aaron | Well it got messed up trying to install cpu_freq_60-90-v1.patch and also the 64MB patch |
| 10:01:39 | w1ll14m | ok.... |
| 10:01:47 | w1ll14m | do you have patched cop8? |
| 10:01:53 | Aaron | JdGordon- I have a 5g 60 gig and I'll try the root menu |
| 10:01:53 | JdGordon | decayedcell_: it adds a proper start screen, so it gives you an actuall menu for the wps, file/db broswers, fm and rec screens |
| 10:01:58 | Aaron | yeah, I installed it first |
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| 10:02:11 | w1ll14m | ok if you use cop8 you need this patch http://rockbox.schoorl.nu/cpu_freq_60-90-v3.patch |
| 10:02:29 | w1ll14m | cop8 chacnges a bit that broke my patch :) |
| 10:02:30 | Aaron | well now that I've tried to install version 1 and it didn't work |
| 10:02:37 | Aaron | is there some reversion I need to do |
| 10:02:47 | w1ll14m | reverse cpu_freq_60-90-v1.patch |
| 10:02:47 | decayedcell_ | w1ll14m it might have been something in the recent SVN, it was fine a week ago |
| 10:02:51 | Aaron | or just tell it to patch again with the new version |
| 10:02:59 | w1ll14m | decayedcell: what could it be ? |
| 10:03:18 | w1ll14m | Aaron reverse cpu_freq_60-90-v1.patch then patch cpu_freq_60-90-v3.patch |
| 10:03:35 | decayedcell_ | well the only files brightness 7 affects is the configs and backlight.c |
| 10:03:36 | JdGordon | Aaron: decayedcell_: jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox.ipod">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox.ipod |
| 10:03:52 | decayedcell_ | The requested URL /rockbox.ipod was not found on this server. |
| 10:03:53 | w1ll14m | decayedcell: true |
| 10:04:12 | Aaron | How do I reverse |
| 10:04:14 | decayedcell_ | second boot fine |
| 10:04:18 | JdGordon | jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/rockbox.ipod">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/rockbox.ipod only try the browsers and menu... if you go into the other 2 you wont be able to get out |
| 10:04:25 | decayedcell_ | Aaron patch -p0 -R < |
| 10:04:27 | w1ll14m | cat [patchname] | patch -p0 -R |
| 10:04:37 | decayedcell_ | you shouldn't need cat =/ do you? |
| 10:04:40 | decayedcell_ | I never use cat |
| 10:04:44 | w1ll14m | decayedcell i do :) |
| 10:04:57 | Aaron | so I actually include that tall line sign? |
| 10:05:07 | decayedcell_ | backlight.c was last modified on the 12th so it can't be that, it must be the config file |
| 10:05:37 | decayedcell_ | hmm but the last mod for the config was for USB OO |
| 10:05:40 | Aaron | I just did " patch -p0 -R <" |
| 10:05:48 | Aaron | I'm waiting to see what it did |
| 10:05:59 | decayedcell_ | 3rd boot fine |
| 10:06:06 | decayedcell_ | what theme do you use w1ll14m |
| 10:06:36 | w1ll14m | decayedcell: blackglass noAA |
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| 10:07:08 | w1ll14m | decayedcell: it happens when loading the config from .rockbox/config.cfg |
| 10:07:20 | w1ll14m | so maybe it's somewhere in the init |
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| 10:07:44 | LinusN | Slasheri: there? |
| 10:07:45 | w1ll14m | decayedcell: other themes do aswell |
| 10:07:56 | decayedcell_ | okay hmm |
| 10:08:18 | Aaron | JdGordon: Are you working on fixing the hosting of that file? |
| 10:08:32 | decayedcell_ | well if you gave us a diff it would be easier :p |
| 10:08:42 | JdGordon | Aaron: the 2nd link didnt work? |
| 10:09:18 | Aaron | Sorry, it does |
| 10:09:24 | JdGordon | decayedcell_: was that to me? |
| 10:09:25 | w1ll14m | JdGordon: whats up with your rockbox.ipod ? |
| 10:09:37 | decayedcell_ | w1ll14m it has a root menu patch |
| 10:09:42 | Aaron | I'm just going to load a normal unpatched SVN version |
| 10:09:56 | w1ll14m | root menu patch ? |
| 10:09:59 | Slasheri | LinusN: hi :) |
| 10:10:02 | w1ll14m | damn i'm behind :) |
| 10:10:08 | decayedcell_ | second link is working JdGordon |
| 10:10:11 | JdGordon | :) |
| 10:10:12 | Slasheri | it's freezing here, over -30C out |
| 10:10:24 | w1ll14m | slasheri: i whish we had that here :| |
| 10:10:27 | GodEater | do you mean under ? ;) |
| 10:10:27 | decayedcell_ | Slasheri any update on the gui optimisations? |
| 10:10:34 | * | decayedcell_ prepares to get excited/disappointed |
| 10:10:52 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 10:10:56 | Slasheri | decayedcell_: hmm, i haven't had yet time to work much on it.. but i hope to commit it this week |
| 10:11:06 | Slasheri | w1ll14m: hehe, just come here :D |
| 10:11:15 | * | w1ll14m takes cover for an exploding thumb..... |
| 10:11:21 | w1ll14m | slasheri: where do you live ? |
| 10:11:29 | Slasheri | w1ll14m: in finland :) |
| 10:11:32 | w1ll14m | WTF :) |
| 10:11:39 | w1ll14m | slasheri: i live in holland ;) |
| 10:11:47 | Slasheri | nice :D |
| 10:11:54 | LinusN | Slasheri: i am looking at your backlight changes, and why it causes the extra blink on the x5 |
| 10:12:18 | w1ll14m | dacayed cell: maybe this is also why we have a problem with brightness.... |
| 10:12:25 | decayedcell_ | 5 boots in a row w1ll14m |
| 10:12:29 | B4gder | we have a warm -14C day over hear ;-) |
| 10:12:34 | B4gder | here even |
| 10:12:35 | Slasheri | LinusN: ah, do you if the backlight is on or off after control has just passed from bootloader to rockbox? |
| 10:12:36 | Aaron | Why is it that this channel seemed to be dead around 12-2 and now its picking up at 3 in the morning? |
| 10:12:39 | Slasheri | +know |
| 10:12:44 | * | B4gder takes a typing class |
| 10:12:44 | decayedcell_ | lol well its 38C in the day over here |
| 10:12:54 | w1ll14m | Aaron: it's here 10:11 AM |
| 10:13:05 | LinusN | Slasheri: on |
| 10:13:06 | GodEater | because it's now 9/10am in the morning in Europe where most of us live ? |
| 10:13:14 | w1ll14m | :) |
| 10:13:15 | B4gder | Aaron: we are a global community from all over the world |
| 10:13:20 | Slasheri | LinusN: that state is only correctly detected with h1xx and guessed to be default on for every other target |
| 10:13:26 | Slasheri | hmm, then it should work correctly.. |
| 10:13:58 | LinusN | Slasheri: why did you move the call to backlight_init() in main.c? |
| 10:14:21 | mick | Bagder: hello Bagder. Have you seen my message from today 08.45.56? |
| 10:14:22 | decayedcell_ | w1ll14m your patch gives me this (Stripping trailing CRs from patch.) |
| 10:14:23 | decayedcell_ | patching file firmware/system.c |
| 10:14:23 | decayedcell_ | (Stripping trailing CRs from patch.) |
| 10:14:38 | Slasheri | LinusN: with that move, backlight response is the fastest possible when loading h1xx from flash |
| 10:14:43 | B4gder | mick: nope, I'm from another computer now |
| 10:14:48 | Slasheri | LinusN: so backlight fades in immediately after pressing the on button |
| 10:15:14 | decayedcell_ | but on the iPod 5G/5.5G it appears to fade to black... |
| 10:15:47 | amiconn | Slasheri: The bootloader usually switches it on, so rockbox should start with backlight on as well |
| 10:16:01 | mick | Bagder: could you then look at it? |
| 10:16:05 | amiconn | Right now there's a rather strange effect, observed on my mini G2: |
| 10:16:18 | decayedcell_ | turns off then on again I believe amiconn? |
| 10:16:21 | Slasheri | amiconn: the updated iriver bootloader does not switch backlight on when successfully loaded from flash |
| 10:16:25 | amiconn | Backlight is on, then switches off and immediately fades in again |
| 10:16:31 | Slasheri | amiconn: that is why the backlight state is also detected runtime |
| 10:16:35 | Slasheri | nope |
| 10:16:41 | B4gder | mick: I have no time for that within the nearest time, sorry |
| 10:16:43 | decayedcell_ | yep I can confirm these symptoms with a 2G I rockbox'd recently |
| 10:16:55 | Slasheri | if it's already on, it will stay on (no fading) |
| 10:17:05 | Aaron | JdGordon- Does the Music menu only take you to music based off if a database of music exists? |
| 10:17:15 | B4gder | (and I'm not "the font guy"... I just happened to commit the recent font changes) |
| 10:17:20 | decayedcell_ | JdGordon I forgot what you wanted tested lol |
| 10:17:26 | amiconn | Slasheri: No it doesn't, at least not on mini g2 |
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| 10:17:30 | LinusN | Slasheri: calling backlight_init before settings_reset() is probably a really bad idea |
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| 10:18:01 | JdGordon | Aaron: the Music option takes you to the wps |
| 10:18:10 | JdGordon | you need to have something playing for that to work tho |
| 10:18:10 | mick | Bagder: ok |
| 10:18:16 | decayedcell_ | Doesn't do it on the 5G Slasheri :p, it fades to nothingness and then I can't turn it on again |
| 10:18:21 | w1ll14m | decayedcell: whats up with my patch ?? |
| 10:18:35 | Aaron | alright, I guess I was being stupid and thinking it was going to take me straight ot my music folder since i don't really use the database |
| 10:18:39 | GodEater | JdGordon: wouldn't "Now Playing" or similar be a more intuitive name for that ? |
| 10:18:42 | decayedcell_ | w1ll14m just some minor thingies i get um trailing CR stuff |
| 10:18:53 | Aaron | I was able to get into and leave the database browser, but not the recording screen |
| 10:18:56 | JdGordon | GodEater: yes, but that would need an extra lang which i havnt done yet |
| 10:19:04 | w1ll14m | decayedcell: is that good or bad ?? ;) |
| 10:19:06 | Slasheri | LinusN: hmm, true.. well, it can be moved back after that call, shouldn't cause much delays either |
| 10:19:07 | GodEater | oh really ? |
| 10:19:15 | JdGordon | really really :p |
| 10:19:18 | GodEater | hehe |
| 10:19:25 | decayedcell_ | w1ll14m well if my ipod suddenly causes a meltdown then we will know |
| 10:19:33 | w1ll14m | decayedcell: lol |
| 10:19:37 | Slasheri | amiconn: mini g2 does not have backlight pwm fading? |
| 10:19:41 | GodEater | ah of course - I forgot the menus are built from the .lang files |
| 10:19:43 | JdGordon | Aaron: yeah, i said... dont go into the fm or rec screens |
| 10:19:44 | Aaron | acutally, I am getting Codec failures |
| 10:19:47 | decayedcell_ | Slasheri it does |
| 10:19:51 | * | GodEater goes into the corner and puts his dunce's cap on |
| 10:19:53 | amiconn | Slasheri: It *does* have pwm fading |
| 10:19:55 | Slasheri | then it can be a bug.. i don't have a target without pwm fading to test it |
| 10:20:01 | amiconn | [10:16:10] <amiconn> Backlight is on, then switches off and immediately fades in again |
| 10:20:05 | Slasheri | ok, then it sounds weird |
| 10:20:07 | JdGordon | Aaron: hmm... i was getting that too but i dont know why... ok thanks |
| 10:20:12 | Slasheri | i will check |
| 10:20:22 | decayedcell_ | patching file firmware/system.c |
| 10:20:22 | decayedcell_ | (Stripping trailing CRs from patch.) |
| 10:20:31 | LinusN | let's fix the obvious bug first, by putting backlight_init() after settings_reset() |
| 10:20:31 | decayedcell_ | w1ll14m that is what Im getting |
| 10:20:38 | Aaron | Thats too bad since I was going to leave your change on and see how I liked it |
| 10:20:54 | amiconn | LinusN: Shouldn't it even go after settings_load? |
| 10:21:02 | w1ll14m | decayedcell: i've never seen it, and i don't know what it means ;) |
| 10:21:10 | LinusN | amiconn: that would be even better |
| 10:21:14 | w1ll14m | i will try with svn |
| 10:21:32 | decayedcell_ | JdGordon which menu do you want me to push |
| 10:21:34 | Aaron | I just tried it with the latest daily build |
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| 10:22:34 | w1ll14m | decayedcell: how did you patch ? |
| 10:22:45 | Aaron | I'm going to bed |
| 10:22:48 | Aaron | Goodnight |
| 10:22:50 | Slasheri | no, not after settings load |
| 10:22:52 | decayedcell_ | w1ll14m patch -p0 < cpu etc etc |
| 10:22:53 | w1ll14m | Aaron: dleep well ;) |
| 10:23:00 | w1ll14m | decayed: ok |
| 10:23:08 | JdGordon | decayedcell_: dw about it.... |
| 10:23:18 | Slasheri | then we would need to wait for disk to spin up, and backlight would lag pretty much before it's initially turned on |
| 10:23:20 | LinusN | Slasheri: the purpose of the settings is to let the user decide how the backlight should behave :-/ |
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| 10:23:27 | decayedcell_ | JdGordon well it works except for Music :D |
| 10:23:36 | Slasheri | LinusN: yes, after the backlight has initially switched on |
| 10:24:06 | GodEater | I got codec failures this morning after my update too |
| 10:24:11 | amiconn | LinusN: That's true, but we also switch the backlight on unconditionally at boot |
| 10:24:12 | GodEater | but a reboot cured that |
| 10:24:13 | Slasheri | bootloader does not check settings either :) |
| 10:24:22 | LinusN | Slasheri: you mean the backlight is switched off by rockbox before backlight_init(') is called? |
| 10:24:36 | w1ll14m | decayedcell: i get patching file firmware/system.c |
| 10:24:36 | w1ll14m | patch: **** malformed patch at line 5: |
| 10:24:37 | Slasheri | LinusN: yes, with flashed h1xxs |
| 10:24:41 | LinusN | why? |
| 10:24:42 | w1ll14m | wtf...... |
| 10:24:49 | decayedcell_ | w1ll14m er lol???? |
| 10:24:56 | Slasheri | LinusN: did you tried the flashing? you will got the idea then |
| 10:25:10 | LinusN | i haven't tried |
| 10:25:17 | Slasheri | the backlight will nicely fade in immediately after pressing the power button |
| 10:25:32 | amiconn | I'd rather not want it to fade in at power on |
| 10:25:33 | Slasheri | and at the same time rockbox logo is displayed |
| 10:25:36 | w1ll14m | decayedcell: it seems i need a v4 :) |
| 10:25:38 | Slasheri | it just looks and feels nice |
| 10:25:51 | amiconn | It should react immediately in order to give immediate feedback |
| 10:25:55 | decayedcell_ | omfg I think theres another bug... USB connection bug on my iPod 5G now |
| 10:26:00 | * | decayedcell_ frustrated |
| 10:26:23 | Slasheri | amiconn: well, it's quite immediate |
| 10:26:32 | Slasheri | i think it looks more professional this way |
| 10:26:40 | decayedcell_ | as I reported earlier in the cop thread, when rockbox is loaded with the USB cord plugged in, it freezes whilst going in disk mode. that is all |
| 10:27:02 | MonkeyTamer | I've noticed this too on an ipod color |
| 10:27:31 | XavierGr | I agree with Slasheri on that, my flashed H100 looks wonderful when it boots |
| 10:27:32 | amiconn | Slasheri: Hmm, but when it's started from the bootloader, the backlight is already on, so it shouldn't try to fade |
| 10:27:35 | MonkeyTamer | but lately it only freezes until I remove the usb cord |
| 10:27:39 | XavierGr | now If I could flash my H300 too! |
| 10:27:40 | amiconn | *That* looks rather unprofessional |
| 10:27:42 | MonkeyTamer | then it continues to function |
| 10:28:05 | decayedcell_ | okay well I think we should tackle one bug at a time... the first of which is the init bug with backlight |
| 10:28:07 | amiconn | XavierGr: Giving up usbotg? |
| 10:28:08 | Slasheri | amiconn: it will not fade |
| 10:28:27 | Slasheri | amiconn: that is why backlight state is detected by rockbox, rather than forcing it on |
| 10:28:59 | amiconn | Then that detection doesn't werk, at least on mini g2 |
| 10:29:30 | Slasheri | yep, it's not enabled for it. But it should return the state as always on |
| 10:29:53 | decayedcell_ | well on the iPod 5G it fades, but a lot of the time it just turns off the backlight when fading up |
| 10:29:55 | Slasheri | so it should think that bootloader has already switched it on |
| 10:30:20 | amiconn | That's not working then |
| 10:30:27 | Slasheri | hmm.. |
| 10:30:38 | Slasheri | i will check, on my 5G it seems to work |
| 10:30:43 | decayedcell_ | oh and it makes a sound in the headphones when it does it Slasheri |
| 10:30:46 | Slasheri | unless there has been some changes recently |
| 10:30:56 | decayedcell_ | also, only happens when brightness patch 7 is applied |
| 10:31:05 | Slasheri | decayedcell_: i will put the uda reset in rockbox, hopefully that fixes it permanently |
| 10:31:16 | Slasheri | brightness patch? |
| 10:31:32 | * | decayedcell_ looks up FS number |
| 10:31:47 | * | perplexity perks up... someone mentioned flashing an h300 ?? ;) |
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| 10:32:10 | Slasheri | perldiver: just the h100, h300 isn't that advanced ;) |
| 10:32:10 | decayedcell_ | Slasheri: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5234 it w1ll14m reckons its when it is loading from the config file that it turns off the backlight |
| 10:32:45 | perplexity | I was about 80% kidding Slasheri :) but one can hope.. |
| 10:32:58 | Slasheri | ah, that explains it then.. might be something to do with the recent config system changes |
| 10:33:22 | mick | markun: are you here? |
| 10:33:25 | Slasheri | perplexity: hehe, i know :) |
| 10:34:07 | w1ll14m | decayedcell: try http://rockbox.schoorl.nu/cpu_freq_60-90-v4.patch |
| 10:34:15 | w1ll14m | should be fixed |
| 10:34:20 | amiconn | LinusN: Do you know how big the h300 of is? |
| 10:34:29 | decayedcell_ | w1ll14m well it is still working properly lol but anyway |
| 10:34:39 | amiconn | Maybe rockbox fits in flash without giving up the of? |
| 10:34:47 | w1ll14m | decayedcell: ok :) |
| 10:34:52 | decayedcell_ | does anyone know how to get out of the bubbles game |
| 10:35:02 | MonkeyTamer | lol, press a lot of buttons |
| 10:35:09 | w1ll14m | oke guys, i will be back ;) gotta go to the docter again :| |
| 10:35:30 | decayedcell_ | w1ll14m which targets does the patch affect? all portalplayer? |
| 10:35:34 | MonkeyTamer | it's supposed to be menu, but it's more like a lot of buttons |
| 10:35:34 | GodEater | decayedcell_: tried the hold switch ? |
| 10:35:54 | LinusN | amiconn: eu version is 2.5Mbyte |
| 10:35:54 | w1ll14m | it would affect all pp502* maybe even 50** |
| 10:36:04 | decayedcell_ | GodEater that causes it to pause, when I unhold it freezes |
| 10:36:07 | XavierGr | amiconn: yes, I am giving up to it. I bought the device for USBOTG but I never really used it, though I am sure that I will curse if somehow I flash it and need the USBOTG feature :P |
| 10:36:22 | w1ll14m | haven't tested it on a pp500* target |
| 10:36:34 | GodEater | hmm, not sure then |
| 10:36:37 | amiconn | LinusN: Nice, so plenty of room... :) |
| 10:36:43 | MonkeyTamer | is that patch supposed to be used by itself, or may it be used in conjucntion with kop? |
| 10:36:43 | * | decayedcell_ oh noes another bug |
| 10:36:45 | w1ll14m | well cya guys :) |
| 10:36:46 | XavierGr | we should get an H300 for "Flasheri" :D |
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| 10:37:27 | amiconn | XavierGr: On H300 there is enough room to put rb in flash without giving up the of |
| 10:38:04 | XavierGr | that would be awesome, but I didn't know that H300 was different from H100 in that aspect |
| 10:38:13 | decayedcell_ | w1ll14m that just completely broke the patch rofl |
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| 10:38:17 | LinusN | the h300 has a 4mbyte flash |
| 10:38:35 | decayedcell_ | w1ll14m_ system.c now fails |
| 10:38:37 | XavierGr | while the H100? |
| 10:38:46 | amiconn | H1x0 has 2MB flash |
| 10:38:50 | MonkeyTamer | decayedcell, try pressing select and menu simultaneously to get out of bubbles |
| 10:38:54 | MonkeyTamer | works for me |
| 10:39:08 | decayedcell_ | MonkeyTamer http://rockbox.schoorl.nu/cpu_freq_60-90-v3.patch use v3, v4 seems broken. okay I'll try |
| 10:39:31 | MonkeyTamer | by itself? |
| 10:39:41 | MonkeyTamer | or does koc work too? |
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| 10:40:04 | MonkeyTamer | I thought the patch conflicted with system.c |
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| 10:41:05 | MonkeyTamer | yes, select + menu works to escape bubbles |
| 10:41:13 | decayedcell_ | MonkeyTamer thats v4. Hmm Im pretty sure it conflicted earlier too, but it worked before I don't know why haha |
| 10:41:28 | MonkeyTamer | I'll try it again I suppose |
| 10:42:15 | MonkeyTamer | is this even on the tracker? |
| 10:42:36 | MonkeyTamer | I know I've seen it in the koc tracker as well as the cpufreq |
| 10:43:31 | LinusN | the x5 backlight flash is not a backlight flash at all |
| 10:44:35 | MonkeyTamer | cursed vmware... only connects to the debian user folder half the time |
| 10:44:43 | LinusN | it's because backlight_on() calls lcd_enable() on the x5, which in turn does an lcd_update() with a garbage framebuffer (since lcd_init() hasn't been called yet) |
| 10:45:00 | LinusN | i suspect the h300 has the same issue |
| 10:46:18 | amiconn | Ah, that's the strange vertical bar effect... |
| 10:46:19 | MonkeyTamer | it seems to work, but states "stripping trailing CRs |
| 10:46:25 | MonkeyTamer | no idea what that means |
| 10:47:04 | amiconn | LinusN: Yes, H300 definitely has the same issue |
| 10:47:23 | LinusN | i think the backlight_init() should be moved, at least to after lcd_init() |
| 10:48:49 | decayedcell_ | MonkeyTamer yeah thats supposed to happen... im not getting that now OO |
| 10:49:16 | MonkeyTamer | but v4 is broken, huh? |
| 10:50:02 | decayedcell_ | yeah MonkeyTamer it just fails at hunk something |
| 10:50:32 | MonkeyTamer | oh well, I'll give it a shot; I think it's done compiling |
| 10:51:53 | MonkeyTamer | blasted usb device not connected bug |
| 10:52:07 | decayedcell_ | hmm svn revert -R not working |
| 10:53:25 | MonkeyTamer | decayedcell_ what exactly is this patch supposed to do; alter frequency scaling? |
| 10:53:49 | decayedcell_ | MonkeyTamer it forces the CPU to run at higher speeds |
| 10:54:03 | decayedcell_ | thus reducing scrolling lag and other lagging at the cost of battery. |
| 10:54:15 | * | decayedcell_ which is why me is excited about Slasheri's gui optimisations |
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| 10:54:36 | MonkeyTamer | I can't say the effect overly noticeable, but I did just extract right over the old firmware, though that wouldn't be an issue would it? |
| 10:55:28 | decayedcell_ | well, try playing say Bubbles for instance |
| 10:55:47 | MonkeyTamer | scrolling is not so obvious, but I'll try bubbles |
| 10:56:35 | MonkeyTamer | actually quite noticeable now |
| 10:56:58 | decayedcell_ | MonkeyTamer without that patch, sometimes you'll get uber scroll lag, trust me :D |
| 10:57:29 | MonkeyTamer | did the select + menu work for you for escaping? |
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| 10:58:41 | MonkeyTamer | scrolling is definitely faster while music is not playing, but helps little while it is, at least none more so than koc |
| 10:59:18 | decayedcell_ | it should work with teh cop patch for maximum affect |
| 10:59:20 | decayedcell_ | effect* |
| 10:59:41 | MonkeyTamer | when music is playing for you, does is still lag while scrolling long lists? |
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| 11:00:13 | decayedcell_ | it shouldn't lag when music is playing because the CPU then is boosted and running at a higher speed, thus no lag |
| 11:00:43 | B4gder | it isn't boosted just because music is playing |
| 11:01:37 | scorche | and why the screen lags is because the scheduler prioritizes playback above display |
| 11:01:56 | MonkeyTamer | I would imagine so |
| 11:02:09 | * | decayedcell_ is wrong then :p |
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| 11:03:07 | MonkeyTamer | have you confirmed that the patch only really has its effect while actively using more cpu intensive tasks? |
| 11:03:49 | decayedcell_ | MonkeyTamer I believe it improves performance in Rockbox in all areas |
| 11:04:33 | MonkeyTamer | My question is more in reference to that it does not continually use the CPU, as in not greatly reduce the battery due to constantly running at a higher frequency |
| 11:05:33 | decayedcell_ | MonkeyTamer well on the 4G it helps with the freezing because it boosts the CPU less, so I suppose the changing of CPU speeds is reduced? Not really sure |
| 11:06:28 | MonkeyTamer | Actually, as of a few days ago, on my ipod color, I haven't had any freezes at all since using the koc patch8 |
| 11:06:47 | decayedcell_ | the cop patch is supposed to fix the freeze bug, and I think it does :p |
| 11:06:55 | MonkeyTamer | definitely does for me |
| 11:06:59 | MonkeyTamer | not a single data abort |
| 11:07:02 | decayedcell_ | but it brings in a new bug concerning the freezing of the recording page |
| 11:07:24 | MonkeyTamer | yes.. I've heard about that |
| 11:07:35 | MonkeyTamer | it's unfortunate, because it hinders the progress a bit |
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| 11:09:00 | MonkeyTamer | doesn't the EQ also have issues? or is that just a general issue? |
| 11:09:47 | decayedcell_ | what issues are you referring to |
| 11:10:14 | MonkeyTamer | not for me personally; I've just a heard a lot of people complaining about the EQ being slow or buggy |
| 11:10:27 | MonkeyTamer | I don't really use the EQ myself |
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| 11:11:20 | scorche | the EQ just puts more load on the processor...depending on the format, this amounts to more than the processor can handle |
| 11:11:34 | decayedcell_ | MonkeyTamer I think there was a commit to help fix this recently :p |
| 11:12:11 | scorche | pretty much any optimization helps it because it is not an issue with the EQ itself |
| 11:12:21 | MonkeyTamer | that would make sense; I have a keen ear, but I feel some of the other features are more useful for improving audio quality, but I'm sure plenty of people enjoy it |
| 11:13:24 | decayedcell_ | how do I use the svn revert command |
| 11:13:38 | scorche | read the SVN man page |
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| 11:22:10 | pondlife | If I compile my own H300 bootloader and want to install it, is http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot still up to date? |
| 11:22:42 | pondlife | (aside from the CVS/SVN stuff!) |
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| 11:23:55 | pondlife | I'm concerned that I don't know what I'm doing and it reads "Do NOT attempt to build your own bootloader from CVS unless you know for sure what you're doing" |
| 11:24:20 | pondlife | But I do want to poke around at USB bootloader mode... |
| 11:24:48 | LinusN | pondlife: the current svn bootloader can't be installed on the h300 |
| 11:25:09 | pondlife | I'm glad I asked then. Why is that? |
| 11:25:18 | LinusN | it doesn't fit in 64k |
| 11:25:23 | LinusN | so it has to be relocated |
| 11:25:39 | LinusN | a trivial thing indeed, but i wouldn't try it without a bdm |
| 11:25:49 | pondlife | OK, where can I get source for v5 from? |
| 11:26:15 | pondlife | I'm hoping I can at least debug something. |
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| 11:28:05 | LinusN | pondlife: all bootloader versions are tagged in svn |
| 11:28:21 | pondlife | Thanks |
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| 11:28:54 | JdGordon | ata_spin() is called in the file browser if any button is pressed.. does this only actually trigger a spin if its already spinning? |
| 11:29:13 | LinusN | F*CK!!!!!! the tags are gone!!!!! |
| 11:29:31 | * | pondlife didn't do it |
| 11:29:32 | perplexity | CVS->SVN metadata loss ? |
| 11:29:36 | LinusN | probably |
| 11:29:49 | perplexity | bummer with a capital F |
| 11:29:57 | LinusN | now that sucks |
| 11:30:04 | JdGordon | viewcvs still works tho doesnt it if you only need an old bootloader? |
| 11:30:18 | * | markun notices that ffmpeg now has a wma encoder |
| 11:30:22 | pondlife | Any idea of a sensible date? |
| 11:30:31 | LinusN | bah, me silly |
| 11:30:41 | perplexity | that would be right.. I just deleted my CVS tree that was rolled to the V5 bootloader 10 minutes ago.. <rolls eyes> |
| 11:30:49 | * | LinusN <- svn n00b |
| 11:30:54 | pondlife | phew |
| 11:31:07 | LinusN | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/tags/ |
| 11:32:03 | * | pondlife <- svn s00per-n00b |
| 11:32:13 | pondlife | What's the checkout tag command? |
| 11:32:42 | pondlife | -r ? |
| 11:32:51 | LinusN | i guess you checkout tags/bootloader_v6 instead of trunk |
| 11:33:01 | pondlife | OK |
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| 11:33:15 | perplexity | V5 was the latest released h300 one though ? |
| 11:33:34 | pondlife | Yes |
| 11:33:49 | preglow | markun: why! why! |
| 11:34:32 | pondlife | So I'll get from bootloader_v5, right? |
| 11:34:37 | markun | preglow: :) |
| 11:35:00 | preglow | they should fixed-point port the decoder instead |
| 11:35:03 | preglow | then forget about encoding |
| 11:35:33 | pondlife | Yep, who wants to encode to WMA?? |
| 11:35:49 | pondlife | Users, I mean.. |
| 11:35:58 | preglow | teeeny small encoder too |
| 11:36:41 | * | JdGordon has a very working root menu going :D |
| 11:36:57 | JdGordon | users will barely notice a difference :) |
| 11:37:00 | directhex|work | JdGordon, woo! what's a root menu when it's at home? |
| 11:37:02 | pondlife | LinusN: So if I build bootloader V5 are the wiki instructions correct? No BDM here ... |
| 11:37:12 | LinusN | JdGordon: flat screen hierarchy? |
| 11:37:17 | JdGordon | yes |
| 11:37:29 | LinusN | pondlife: they should be correct |
| 11:37:40 | pondlife | Hope so! ;-) |
| 11:37:44 | JdGordon | dirbrowse() is full of useless crap now.. but it works |
| 11:37:52 | LinusN | useless crap? |
| 11:37:57 | perplexity | pondlife I did build and install using those instructions as is.. a while ago now.. but they did work for me |
| 11:38:03 | JdGordon | extra code which isnt needed anymore |
| 11:38:14 | LinusN | JdGordon: ah |
| 11:38:26 | preglow | i like the fact that for once, the decoder source is bigger than the encoder... |
| 11:38:29 | preglow | and by a factor of two |
| 11:38:33 | * | preglow guesses the encoder isn't very good |
| 11:38:51 | JdGordon | patch is at jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/start_screen.patch">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/start_screen.patch |
| 11:38:57 | JdGordon | if anyone is interested |
| 11:39:12 | MonkeyTamer | what exactly does it do? I missed something |
| 11:39:16 | markun | JdGordon: do you think the patch will make rockbox smaller in the end? |
| 11:39:25 | markun | JdGordon: and thanks btw :) |
| 11:39:50 | directhex|work | preglow, test it! |
| 11:39:54 | preglow | never! |
| 11:40:20 | directhex|work | preglow, encode some shizzle with it and with windows media player, and do some testing shonk with all those whizzy graphs that audiophiles are so fond of |
| 11:40:29 | preglow | directhex|work: i don't use windows |
| 11:40:41 | JdGordon | markun: not currently, but there will be areas which will have dead code with this.. so you never know :) |
| 11:40:42 | preglow | audiophiles are fond of bullshit, not graphs |
| 11:40:51 | pondlife | Hmm.."make[1]: /home/Steve/rockboxb5/tools/convbdf: Command not found" |
| 11:41:06 | directhex|work | preglow, the graphs clearly show that alcohol-soaked wooden volume knobs give better sound than basic plastic ones |
| 11:41:33 | pondlife | audiophiles are full of... not fond of... |
| 11:42:00 | markun | JdGordon: the patch looks nice, I was expecting a lot more code |
| 11:42:22 | pondlife | JdGordon: What's the patch for? |
| 11:43:02 | markun | pondlife: something to annoy left-to-wps users even more |
| 11:43:08 | JdGordon | ^ :D |
| 11:43:12 | pondlife | ha! |
| 11:43:37 | JdGordon | it adds a setting, so on startup you can be put in any of the avialable screens automagically |
| 11:43:56 | JdGordon | buttons need to be figured out to consistently go back to the root menu tho |
| 11:44:02 | markun | but I think the people who like to use both the database and file browser will be happy |
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| 11:45:06 | JdGordon | yeah, that works really well :) |
| 11:45:36 | markun | JdGordon: after that you can also move the recording and radio screens I think |
| 11:45:54 | markun | ah, the recording is there already.. |
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| 11:46:13 | JdGordon | both are there already |
| 11:46:24 | JdGordon | but still in the main settings menu... |
| 11:46:29 | markun | maybe rename 'menu' to 'settings' ? |
| 11:46:33 | pondlife | OK, got CONVBDF built.. that wasn't too hard.. |
| 11:46:41 | JdGordon | the whole menu structe will need to be fiddled with to make more sense... but later |
| 11:47:00 | LinusN | JdGordon: perhaps RETURN_TO_ could be GO_TO_ instead? |
| 11:47:10 | pondlife | But now I get errors building either normal or bootloader. e.g. firmware/system.c:434: undefined reference to `lcd_clear_display' |
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| 11:47:44 | JdGordon | LinusN: ok |
| 11:47:47 | perplexity | pondlife did you checkout bootloader_v5 or bootloader_h300_v5 ? |
| 11:48:03 | pondlife | bootloader_v5.. That might explain it... (blush) |
| 11:48:14 | perplexity | dunno, I'm just trying the other one now.. |
| 11:49:44 | perplexity | pondlife, yes.. bootloader_h300_v5 builds cleanly |
| 11:49:55 | pondlife | Thanks, just getting it. |
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| 11:52:10 | JdGordon | if you enter the wps item, it should automatically start playback if its not started shouldnt it? |
| 11:53:10 | markun | JdGordon: maybe it can do the same as the resume button does now? |
| 11:53:12 | LinusN | JdGordon: i'm reviewing your menu patch |
| 11:53:44 | amiconn | It shouldn't be possible to enter the wps if no music is playing and there is no resume position |
| 11:53:50 | LinusN | menu.h is a mess, since the lines are wider than 80 chars |
| 11:54:10 | LinusN | i don't quite understand MAKE_FUNCTION_CALL() |
| 11:54:10 | markun | amiconn: exactly, it could just show the "nothing to resume" splash or something |
| 11:54:39 | JdGordon | amiconn: better to have it there always than hide it sometimes, (for blind people) |
| 11:55:02 | JdGordon | LinusN: that macro just sets up an item so if it is selected a function will be called |
| 11:55:06 | LinusN | JdGordon: the "nothing to resume" should of course be voices |
| 11:55:15 | LinusN | voiced even |
| 11:55:17 | JdGordon | yeah, ill do that |
| 11:55:17 | amiconn | LinusN:Obfuscating macro hell? |
| 11:55:27 | LinusN | amiconn: sort of |
| 11:55:35 | * | amiconn doesn't like that |
| 11:55:37 | * | JdGordon hasnt done voice for this patch at all yet |
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| 11:55:46 | LinusN | JdGordon: my concern is that it doesn't perform a function call |
| 11:56:37 | markun | LinusN: where's this MAKE_FUNCTION_CALL() macro? |
| 11:56:39 | LinusN | i think MAKE_FUNCTION_CALL() is so simple that it doesn't need a macro |
| 11:56:49 | LinusN | markun: in menu.h |
| 11:56:55 | JdGordon | markun: different patch.. |
| 11:57:02 | markun | aha |
| 11:57:11 | amiconn | There are quite some macros in settings_list which are quite unnecessary, like GS() |
| 11:57:16 | JdGordon | LinusN: isnt it better if all are macros? maybe the name just needs to be changed |
| 11:58:05 | bluebrother | let's invent a new language: rockbox. And write rockbox in that language :o |
| 11:58:24 | preglow | nah, we can just use brainfuck |
| 11:58:34 | LinusN | JdGordon: i think that kind of macro is non-kiss |
| 11:58:39 | amiconn | it just replaces global_settings. Just a little more typing (or c&p) to get rid of it, and it would improve readability |
| 11:58:42 | JdGordon | they alll are tho |
| 11:58:55 | directhex|work | preglow, malbolge |
| 11:59:00 | LinusN | GS() is especially evil |
| 11:59:02 | bluebrother | too much macros make code hard up to unmaintainable |
| 11:59:08 | JdGordon | amiconn: ok, that one i agree should be got rid off... the MAKE_ ones are needed imo tho |
| 11:59:21 | directhex|work | preglow, brainfuck is for turing-machine wusses without the balls to use "fuckfuck" instead |
| 11:59:23 | amiconn | And there's no risk of c&p error without it, since a typo in global_settings. would just make the compiler complain |
| 11:59:40 | bluebrother | pleeease write c, not macro. |
| 11:59:51 | * | bluebrother thinks the ifdef hell is enough |
| 11:59:56 | * | amiconn agrees with bluebrother |
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| 12:00:00 | LinusN | MAKE_FUNCTION_CALL() is unnecessary imho |
| 12:00:17 | LinusN | it just makes the code harder to understand |
| 12:00:32 | bluebrother | I stumbled upon such macro language code, and it IS hell |
| 12:00:39 | bluebrother | unless you wrote it yourself. |
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| 12:01:21 | LinusN | bluebrother: it is hell even when you wrote it yourself, if you haven't looked at the code for a while |
| 12:01:35 | bluebrother | LinusN: full ACK |
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| 12:01:55 | bluebrother | gtg now. bbl. |
| 12:02:34 | JdGordon | LinusN: i disagree with removeing that MAKE_FUNCTION macro, look what it expands to.. its going to be chaos trying to follow code when its _that_ |
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| 12:02:40 | LinusN | and to understand the menu code, you have to decipher the macro definitions before you can understand the menu structures |
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| 12:03:10 | * | JdGordon should spend some time properly commenting those macros probably |
| 12:05:38 | preglow | indeed |
| 12:05:59 | LinusN | i still don't get it |
| 12:06:11 | MonkeyTamer | weird... for me I couldn't even load anything; I got a data abort, though I am unsure if it's related to that patch or another |
| 12:06:31 | LinusN | this example: |
| 12:06:33 | LinusN | MAKE_FUNCTION_CALL(settings_menu_item, ID2P(LANG_GENERAL_SETTINGS), |
| 12:06:34 | LinusN | (menu_function)settings_menu, NULL); |
| 12:06:43 | LinusN | translates to: |
| 12:06:50 | LinusN | static const struct menu_callback_with_desc settings_menu_item_ = |
| 12:06:50 | LinusN | {NULL, ID2P(LANG_GENERAL_SETTINGS)}; |
| 12:06:50 | LinusN | const struct menu_item_ex settings_menu_item = |
| 12:06:50 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK LinusN |
| 12:06:50 | LinusN | { MT_FUNCTION_CALL|MENU_HAS_DESC, |
| 12:06:50 | LinusN | {.function = (menu_function)settings_menu}, |
| 12:06:53 | LinusN | {.callback_and_desc = &settings_menu_item_} |
| 12:06:56 | LinusN | }; |
| 12:07:43 | LinusN | now, to create a new menu, i would have to copy and paste either the MAKE_FUNCTION_CALL() macro and change the arguments, or copy the translated code block and do the same |
| 12:08:09 | LinusN | in either case, i would have to know what the arguments do to accomplish it |
| 12:08:31 | JdGordon | no... to create the actual menu you use the MAKE_MENU() macro and you would have &settings_menu_item as one f its args |
| 12:08:38 | LinusN | and to find that out, the MAKE_FUNCTION_CALL is only making it harder to understand |
| 12:09:45 | JdGordon | is the name the confusing bit? or the whole point of the macro? |
| 12:09:50 | LinusN | both |
| 12:09:57 | JdGordon | have a look at menus/main_menu.c |
| 12:09:58 | LinusN | but i guess the name makes it harder |
| 12:11:07 | LinusN | looks like MAKE_FUNCTION_CALL should be MAKE_MENU_ITEM ??? |
| 12:11:36 | JdGordon | hang on a sec... tutoring sister... |
| 12:11:50 | decayedcell | JdGordon what kind of tutoring |
| 12:12:13 | JdGordon | maths |
| 12:13:08 | MonkeyTamer | I've got a math problem: expand (x+4)^n |
| 12:14:03 | MonkeyTamer | ( x + 4 )^n ( x + 4 )^n ( x + 4 )^n etc... |
| 12:14:18 | decayedcell | <insert applause here> |
| 12:14:43 | MonkeyTamer | gotta love math |
| 12:15:26 | decayedcell | JdGordon is your sister gonna be uber at embedded programming one day? |
| 12:15:34 | JdGordon | i higly doubt that |
| 12:16:17 | MonkeyTamer | haha, at my college, it's definitely a bit far and few between the programming ladies |
| 12:16:51 | JdGordon | LinusN: the only macro which actually does anything is the MAKE_MENU one... all the other ones make a menu item which gets put in the MAKE_MENU(), |
| 12:17:08 | JdGordon | I hope thats a bit cleaer :p but i doubt it |
| 12:17:21 | LinusN | i can see that, i guess MAKE_FUNCTION_CALL fooled me, since it is not a function call |
| 12:18:08 | LinusN | it just creates two structs |
| 12:18:29 | LinusN | it also seems like a waste to have one file per menu |
| 12:19:25 | JdGordon | but its neater.... more managable |
| 12:19:40 | LinusN | not if you want to add a submenu |
| 12:19:49 | LinusN | then you have to create a new file |
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| 12:21:59 | JdGordon | not every submenu gets its own... just the major ones |
| 12:22:18 | LinusN | still, an entire file for a single macro invocation |
| 12:22:29 | JdGordon | ? |
| 12:22:39 | LinusN | menus/settings_menu.c |
| 12:23:00 | JdGordon | thats because its not converted yet |
| 12:23:27 | LinusN | ahaaaaaaa |
| 12:24:14 | JdGordon | if you look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=12887 youll get some idea of what those files will look like when its finished |
| 12:24:56 | JdGordon | i want to start by only commiting that first because trying to convert everything in one hit will make finding bugs harder and the work slower.. |
| 12:27:49 | markun | LinusN: the Gigabeat consumes 70mA in rockbox while doing nothing and 46-55mA while decoding a MP3 file.. Didn't we see something similar with the iriver? |
| 12:28:05 | LinusN | markun: yes |
| 12:28:30 | LinusN | but never lower when decoding with rockbox |
| 12:28:50 | LinusN | the OF used less power when decoding than rockbox did while idle |
| 12:29:23 | LinusN | looks like a boosting issue to me |
| 12:29:45 | markun | the OF seems to consume 40mA when decoding or not |
| 12:30:37 | LinusN | JdGordon: my opinion is this: the code does look simpler with the macros, but it is only an illusion |
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| 12:32:40 | JdGordon | umm..... |
| 12:33:53 | LinusN | i have bad experience with trying to hide complexity like this |
| 12:34:48 | JdGordon | without those macros this will be _HELL_ ... |
| 12:35:00 | preglow | also a valid point of view |
| 12:35:01 | LinusN | no, it would be a different kind of hell |
| 12:35:14 | JdGordon | an easier form of hell than with them :D |
| 12:35:23 | preglow | i actually think i agree on that |
| 12:37:08 | JdGordon | LinusN: apart from the macros.. the rest of the code looks good? |
| 12:37:48 | LinusN | JdGordon: i think it looks ok |
| 12:38:23 | LinusN | let me see if i understand it: |
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| 12:39:32 | LinusN | each menu item can have a callback, and that is described with a struct menu_callback_with_desc |
| 12:39:56 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SettingsRecode explains the callback order |
| 12:40:06 | JdGordon | and most of the rest of the patch |
| 12:42:27 | JdGordon | topic change again..... Does anyone have a better name for the WPS in the root menu? I personally think that could be improved.. but dunno to what :p |
| 12:43:11 | LinusN | JdGordon: you mean like "Play Screen" instead |
| 12:43:14 | LinusN | ? |
| 12:43:19 | JdGordon | something like that |
| 12:44:13 | LinusN | or maybe even just "Playback"? |
| 12:44:46 | linuxstb_ | I can't think of anything better than Apple's (and maybe other companies) term - "Now Playing". |
| 12:45:10 | LinusN | i think that is good |
| 12:45:45 | JdGordon | Now Playing it is then |
| 12:46:09 | linuxstb_ | Should "Now Playing" appear when music is stopped, and selecting it will resume? |
| 12:47:01 | JdGordon | thats how ive got it working |
| 12:47:08 | JdGordon | exactly like play in the tree currently |
| 12:47:24 | JdGordon | should recent bookmarks be moved to the root menu? if so where? |
| 12:47:43 | JdGordon | i mean where relative to the browser and screen items.. |
| 12:47:50 | linuxstb_ | What do others think about the main menu being an entry in the root menu? e.g. as "Settings". I was against it, but if we move the menu there, then the current button used to "pop-up" the menu, can then be used to consistently exit the current screen and go back to the root menu. |
| 12:48:18 | JdGordon | I think it should be there |
| 12:48:40 | directhex|work | linuxstb_, what "main menu" entries actually belong in a menu called "main menu"? they all seem settingsish to me |
| 12:48:55 | linuxstb_ | Radio, Recording, Now Playing, File Browser, Database Browser |
| 12:49:04 | JdGordon | im doing a wiki page so we can nut this out properly |
| 12:51:03 | linuxstb_ | directhex|work: Sorry, I think I misunderstood your question. My list was for the root menu, so yes, what's left is mostly just settings. |
| 12:51:38 | linuxstb_ | Some other things which aren't settings are "browse plugins", and maybe the sleep timer. |
| 12:52:11 | directhex|work | it'd be nice if the WPS could use a different font to the menus. since so many WPSes are aligned to an exact font which isn't neccessarily good for browsing large lists |
| 12:52:21 | directhex|work | linuxstb, so stick "plugins" in the root menu |
| 12:53:03 | JdGordon | this is the current order.. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RootMenu |
| 12:53:05 | linuxstb_ | Yes, that's what I'm saying. |
| 12:53:45 | JdGordon | we also need a title for that screen.... "Welcome to ROCKbox" is a bit lame :p |
| 12:53:55 | linuxstb_ | Just call it "Rockbox" |
| 12:54:48 | linuxstb_ | I would change the language to use verbs though - e.g. "Browse files" instead of "File Browser", "Record" instead of "Recording screen" |
| 12:54:57 | directhex|work | at least give an option to put database browser above file browser :( |
| 12:55:13 | JdGordon | directhex|work: not so easy |
| 12:55:16 | directhex|work | linuxstb_, ooh, verbs. mactastic |
| 12:55:21 | directhex|work | JdGordon, poop :( |
| 12:55:36 | JdGordon | linuxstb: then now playing should be listen then no? |
| 12:55:45 | JdGordon | actually wacth :p |
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| 12:55:49 | JdGordon | watch* |
| 12:55:55 | directhex|work | JdGordon, "experience" :) |
| 12:56:19 | linuxstb_ | No, Now Playing can stay... :) |
| 12:56:32 | Mikachu | playing is a verb last i checked |
| 12:57:03 | JdGordon | yes, but the other examples was the user doing the verb.. now the "now" ... |
| 12:57:18 | Mikachu | the word you're looking for is imperative i thnk |
| 12:57:25 | JdGordon | if you say so |
| 12:57:31 | GodEater | he's correct |
| 12:57:35 | GodEater | imperative is the right word |
| 12:58:14 | JdGordon | I dont think everything not setting relaed should be moved out of main menu tho... this root menu shouldnt be too cluttered, and should fit in 1 screen on the default font |
| 12:59:22 | linuxstb_ | Let's list everything in the main menu that's not a setting, and see where we are. "Browse Plugins" and the sleep timer are the two that come to mind. |
| 12:59:38 | Slasheri | directhex|work: i have thought that it could be possible to add root folder to the database view using the tagnavi configuration |
| 12:59:42 | Mikachu | you know this page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MenuLayoutDiscussion |
| 12:59:44 | Slasheri | or any other directory user wants |
| 12:59:57 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 12:59:57 | * | linuxstb_ senses a radical change in Rockbox being plotted |
| 13:00 |
| 13:00:11 | Mikachu | you could have xml files defining structure! /me ducks |
| 13:00:20 | Slasheri | hehe :D |
| 13:00:27 | Slasheri | no, i hate xml ;) |
| 13:00:41 | directhex|work | Mikachu, port rockbox to c# while you're at it, since it's free of macros! |
| 13:01:06 | linuxstb_ | Let's have XML in the build system to generate the menu structures... |
| 13:01:18 | JdGordon | please no changes to the manu structrue untill the menu recoding is finished.... |
| 13:01:26 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: hmm, that sounds much better |
| 13:02:33 | JdGordon | anyone skilled anough to make a nice rockbox logo for the root menu? surely someone can do the clef in 8x6 or whatever the icon size is :D |
| 13:05:15 | preglow | we need bigger icons for bigger screens... |
| 13:05:20 | preglow | in short, we need more artists |
| 13:05:41 | linuxstb_ | And people programming UI things... |
| 13:05:50 | preglow | indeed |
| 13:05:58 | preglow | i hate ui coding, and i think i'm not alone |
| 13:06:16 | directhex|work | i don't mind UI coding as long as it's not in C ;) |
| 13:06:16 | * | JdGordon likes ui coding.... |
| 13:07:03 | GodEater | oh lord please no xml |
| 13:07:25 | markun | :) |
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| 13:09:42 | GodEater | ui coding / designing are sadly often two different things |
| 13:10:03 | amiconn | JdGordon: If the root menu has to fit on one screen, you need to restrict it to 2 entries for the player |
| 13:10:11 | GodEater | I shudder to think of the horrific things I saw when I studied HCI at Uni |
| 13:11:24 | JdGordon | amiconn: i dont think we should make the player the rule.... |
| 13:11:53 | amiconn | hehe |
| 13:12:15 | JdGordon | I made it so it only shows the title if there are at least 4 lines on the display |
| 13:14:02 | JdGordon | LinusN: you disappeared before.... if I fix the macro names and line lengths its good to commit? |
| 13:14:39 | linuxstb_ | So is anyone objecting to the root menu concept? |
| 13:15:23 | Slasheri | i would like that, much easier to maintain |
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| 13:16:49 | markun | linuxstb_: from what I remember from the previous discussions about it everyone was ok with it in the end |
| 13:17:21 | markun | except the people in the left-to-wps forum thread of course |
| 13:17:30 | JdGordon | they will like it tho |
| 13:17:35 | directhex|work | GodEater, i quite enjoyed my HCI course |
| 13:17:38 | markun | JdGordon: I asked them |
| 13:17:40 | JdGordon | because this will make their patch much easier |
| 13:17:41 | bluebrother | if everything from the main menu is moved to the new root menu ... the old main menu will basically become the root menu |
| 13:17:49 | markun | JdGordon: ah yes |
| 13:17:59 | * | JdGordon doesnt want that |
| 13:18:10 | bluebrother | so, why not keep the old main menu, add some more entries and put all settings below some "settings" entry? |
| 13:18:10 | markun | bluebrother: yes, more or less |
| 13:18:26 | JdGordon | I think the main menu should be split into settings and extras or something |
| 13:18:27 | markun | isn't that what we are doing? |
| 13:18:29 | bluebrother | and make that menu appear first upon startup unless another screen is selected? |
| 13:18:53 | markun | bluebrother: I think you are just repeating what we all agreed on already |
| 13:19:11 | directhex|work | JdGordon, what would you put in 'extras' |
| 13:19:16 | Slasheri | i don't think menu should appear on boot.. either database browser or file view as atm |
| 13:19:18 | JdGordon | Im not sure |
| 13:19:36 | bluebrother | then that discussion was a bit confusing to read for me ;-) |
| 13:19:47 | Slasheri | in future, database could have referenses to the menu system, directories and so on configured by user |
| 13:20:04 | directhex|work | preglow, how about using some pre-existing gpl icons as a basis for 'bigger icons for bigger screens'? it saves on dedicated artists |
| 13:20:36 | markun | yes, just scale some svg icons |
| 13:21:37 | markun | working on icon packs sounds like something non-programmers would like to do |
| 13:21:38 | decayedcell | hmm maybe change 5. to Recording |
| 13:21:53 | decayedcell | instead of Recording Screen... |
| 13:21:56 | markun | Slasheri: what kind of referenses? |
| 13:22:28 | JdGordon | jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/root_menu.patch">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/root_menu.patch for anyone who wants to try it out |
| 13:22:30 | decayedcell | Instead of Browse Plugins, Plugin Browser? Seems more inline with the File and Database browser |
| 13:23:22 | directhex|work | <controversy>rename 'database' to 'library', since it sounds less geeky?</controversy> |
| 13:23:38 | decayedcell | ba domp chi! yeah thats a good idea |
| 13:23:44 | * | scorche vetos |
| 13:23:46 | Slasheri | markun: user could configure database also do some other actions than just browsing tags, for example a menu entry to open specified directory (such as the root dir) in file view |
| 13:24:11 | Slasheri | :D |
| 13:24:22 | linuxstb_ | That doesn't sound like a database feature... |
| 13:24:25 | Slasheri | hmm, library wouldn't be a bad name either |
| 13:24:30 | markun | we yes, you could also move all the items from the database screen to the root menu |
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| 13:24:38 | directhex|work | or go the other way, and name it 'metadata repository' to make it more geeky! |
| 13:24:41 | markun | but I think it's fine like this |
| 13:24:43 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: but would be very easy and handy to integrate to the tagnavi menu system |
| 13:25:26 | JdGordon | ... we just had a rename for the databse.... surelly we have to wait a month or 3 before the next rename |
| 13:25:43 | Slasheri | hehe |
| 13:26:00 | linuxstb_ | No, keep going, eventually we'll get back to tagcache... |
| 13:26:10 | Slasheri | :D |
| 13:26:15 | petur | will the 'database' entry be hidden if it's not enabled? |
| 13:26:29 | JdGordon | petur: no |
| 13:26:37 | petur | ugh |
| 13:26:40 | directhex|work | petur, no, you'll get a slap for using ye olde file browsere instead! |
| 13:26:44 | JdGordon | hiding those entries would be bad for non sighted users |
| 13:27:14 | GodEater | if you access the database menu without having enabled it, it should ask if you wish to turn it on IMO |
| 13:27:19 | Slasheri | i think it should be possible to do everything with the database browser once activated, without the need to change to the file browser |
| 13:27:39 | JdGordon | Slasheri: untill then, we'll have 2 options :p |
| 13:27:48 | JdGordon | GodEater: i think your right there... |
| 13:27:59 | * | JdGordon adds that |
| 13:28:23 | B4gder | or why not hide the entry if database isn't activated... |
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| 13:28:49 | linuxstb_ | Because we want to tell people its there? |
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| 13:29:00 | JdGordon | and for non sighted ppl |
| 13:29:21 | directhex|work | GodEater, cunning. what next, tooltips? "this track has no ID3 tags. if you include tags, then your library is easier to browse" |
| 13:29:39 | directhex|work | ooh! clippy! "it looks like you're trying to play a track. would you like to..." |
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| 13:29:45 | JdGordon | we are going to need some new voice files for this commit... |
| 13:29:50 | ppeom | hi all |
| 13:30:13 | markun | hi again ppeom :) |
| 13:30:26 | ppeom | hi hi! |
| 13:33:44 | decayedcell | Would it be possible to do menu transitions ala Apple Firmware and Podzilla :p |
| 13:33:54 | JdGordon | if someone codes it.... |
| 13:33:56 | * | linuxstb_ shoots decayedcell |
| 13:34:10 | * | decayedcell dies a slow painful death |
| 13:35:08 | ppeom | somebody help me.. |
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| 13:35:23 | linuxstb_ | ppeom: We need a problem first. |
| 13:35:29 | markun | hi mick, you were looking for me? |
| 13:35:43 | scorche | linuxstb_: we have plenty of our own, i would think |
| 13:35:55 | mick | markun: Yes. Have you seen http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5982? |
| 13:35:56 | ppeom | i want to 02027 build apply bmp resize patch.. |
| 13:36:09 | ppeom | but dont apply bmp resize patch.. |
| 13:36:17 | JdGordon | Slasheri: i just need to call tagcache_is_initialized() to check if its working right? |
| 13:36:35 | markun | mick: yes, but didn't look at the glyphs yet |
| 13:36:52 | markun | mick: is it your patch? |
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| 13:38:23 | mick | markun: yes. But I lost is when I made a clean install of RB fonts. And was too lazy to apply the patch again. |
| 13:38:33 | mick | s/is/it/ |
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| 13:39:54 | markun | mick: you are Alexander Levin? |
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| 13:40:20 | ppeom | albe install bmp resize patch apply latest build ? |
| 13:40:28 | | Join scorche [0] (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 13:40:39 | mick | markun: no real names in IRC please ;-) |
| 13:41:28 | mick | markun: we're being watched |
| 13:41:36 | markun | :) |
| 13:42:08 | B4gder | I bet there are people logging every word we type! |
| 13:42:17 | markun | mick: in case you are bored, nimbus-19 could do with some extra glyphs :) |
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| 13:42:31 | linuxstb_ | B4gder: As long as they don't publish the logs on the internet, we're OK. |
| 13:42:38 | B4gder | :-) |
| 13:43:33 | mick | markun: what could it do? |
| 13:44:12 | ppeom | http://crazyman9916.dobcast.com/error.jpg |
| 13:44:33 | LinusN | JdGordon: perhaps it would be clearer if you prefixed each macro with MENU_ |
| 13:44:42 | markun | mick: you could add support for greek and esperanto maybe |
| 13:45:08 | bluebrother | why do people always use screenshots for command line output? |
| 13:45:10 | markun | mick: didn't check all the european lang files to see what else is missing |
| 13:45:17 | JdGordon | LinusN: MENU_ITEM_* ? |
| 13:45:28 | decayedcell | adding chinese would be nice for nimbus 12 and 14 |
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| 13:45:48 | ppeom | adivce me.. |
| 13:45:56 | ppeom | advice me.. |
| 13:45:57 | bluebrother | maybe converting the deja vu fonts to Rockbox would be nice |
| 13:46:05 | bluebrother | I tried once but failed |
| 13:46:07 | LinusN | JdGordon: something like that |
| 13:46:10 | B4gder | ppeom: fix the patch |
| 13:46:12 | praetor | quick question, I read that Rockbox doesnt support ipod 3rd generation? does anyone have any experience with Rockbox on the ipod 3rd generation? |
| 13:46:18 | bluebrother | ppeom: did apply cleanly? |
| 13:46:31 | bluebrother | apart from that, problems with a patch are directed to the patch author. |
| 13:46:41 | bluebrother | s/are/are to be/ |
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| 13:46:44 | mick | markun: no, I'm not THAT bored :-) |
| 13:47:02 | ppeom | s/are/are to be/ ? |
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| 13:47:04 | JdGordon | LinusN: ok, its nearly midnight here, so im giong to finish playing with the root menu patch, and fix and commit the menu patch tomorow |
| 13:47:08 | ppeom | what's mean? |
| 13:47:10 | * | bluebrother really starts to hate Java |
| 13:47:26 | bluebrother | if you have a problem with a patch as the author of that patch |
| 13:47:44 | bluebrother | it's a regular expression |
| 13:47:49 | markun | mick: ok, don't worry. I'll think I will do it some time then |
| 13:47:53 | bluebrother | you can feed that for example into sed |
| 13:48:02 | ppeom | I don't know patch edit ... |
| 13:48:04 | ppeom | help me.. |
| 13:48:10 | linuxstb_ | praetor: Rockbox does work on the 3G, but not as well as the later ipods. |
| 13:48:21 | LinusN | ppeom: if a patch doesn't work, you are supposed to ask the one who wrote the patch |
| 13:48:21 | ppeom | i know only compiled.. |
| 13:48:34 | praetor | linuxstb: how do you mean, "not as well"? |
| 13:48:44 | ppeom | alex.. |
| 13:49:08 | ppeom | bmpresize_20070204-broken.patch |
| 13:49:31 | bluebrother | ??? |
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| 13:50:03 | decayedcell | question: does the tagcache prioritise Album Artist over Artist? |
| 13:50:26 | linuxstb_ | praetor: Only one developer is working on it, and even he hasn't done much work on it recently. The CPU (specifically the cache) is slower than the later ipods, so not all music formats playback in realtime. |
| 13:50:40 | praetor | ok, cheers |
| 13:50:44 | ppeom | bluebrother.. |
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| 13:51:36 | JdGordon | Slasheri: ok.. how do i check if database is actually useable? tagcache_is_initialized() is always returning true! |
| 13:52:21 | ppeom | gigiabeat latest build not support album art bmp resize patch? |
| 13:52:36 | bluebrother | ppeom: album art is *not* supported |
| 13:52:52 | bluebrother | it's nothing official and thus not supported at all |
| 13:53:15 | directhex|work | bitmap resizing is for people without bash & imagemagick |
| 13:53:42 | markun | directhex|work: or different themes with differen album art sizes |
| 13:53:55 | ppeom | yes.. |
| 13:54:09 | ppeom | because i need resize patch.. |
| 13:54:10 | directhex|work | markun, yeah, well, serves them right for using more than one theme! indecisive bastards! |
| 13:54:18 | markun | :) |
| 13:54:55 | ppeom | my themes support 240*240 pixel album art.. but another themes album art size different.. |
| 13:54:59 | MonkeyTamer | I tend to like the themes w/o album art; they're much cleaner, and more responsive |
| 13:55:18 | bluebrother | ppeom: that's of no interest here. Ask the guy who wrote the resize patch |
| 13:55:39 | ppeom | sorry.. |
| 13:55:41 | markun | ppeom: go to flyspray and ask your question there |
| 13:55:43 | ppeom | really sorry.. |
| 13:55:48 | markun | ppeom: don't worry |
| 13:55:59 | directhex|work | MonkeyTamer, i like album art, it gives a nice touch to a WPS |
| 13:56:17 | * | JdGordon found an interesting "bug".... |
| 13:56:18 | MonkeyTamer | I think for me it's because I have a 4g |
| 13:56:38 | MonkeyTamer | and everytime I look at the menu the battery jumps down a notch.. |
| 13:56:44 | directhex|work | MonkeyTamer, i'm using http://www.rockbox-themes.org/data/240x320x16/Sta.png which i find pretty clean |
| 13:56:44 | JdGordon | if your in the file browseer, and you change the filter to database, you'll have 2 database views in the root menu |
| 13:57:09 | JdGordon | now, do i keep this to have shorcuts to 2 different folder in the db? or not let that happen? |
| 13:57:22 | MonkeyTamer | aw, for the gigabeat? the gigabeat has much better real estate |
| 13:57:41 | markun | JdGordon: just remove the db view from the file browser I would say |
| 13:58:50 | bluebrother | data base in the file browser? Like a virtual folder? |
| 13:58:51 | JdGordon | I can remove it from the quickscreen... but not the actual browser |
| 13:59:35 | MonkeyTamer | my goodness.. 5 am here |
| 13:59:41 | directhex|work | MonkeyTamer, and it plays a mean game o' doom! |
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| 13:59:53 | markun | JdGordon: because both use the same code? |
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| 14:00:10 | MonkeyTamer | haha; the ipod definitely just doesn't have that same appeal I'd imagine |
| 14:00:20 | JdGordon | markun: yes |
| 14:00:31 | directhex|work | MonkeyTamer, i bought a player to run rockbox. the gigabeat was recommended |
| 14:00:45 | MonkeyTamer | I like bigger screens, hence is why I have a 17" laptop, but the gigabeat genuinely has a nice appeal |
| 14:01:01 | directhex|work | so, when's the zune port done? :p |
| 14:01:06 | MonkeyTamer | lol |
| 14:01:31 | JdGordon | directhex|work: shouldnt you be working?? |
| 14:01:37 | MonkeyTamer | ask that in the forums and see what Llorean has to say |
| 14:02:06 | directhex|work | JdGordon, sure. but it's mind-numbing work |
| 14:02:28 | directhex|work | JdGordon, woo, company a is offering 2.66ghz xeons, company b is offering... 2.66ghz xeons! madness! |
| 14:04:18 | MonkeyTamer | I wish I had mind numbing work where I could be wasting time on IRC |
| 14:04:36 | MonkeyTamer | instead I waste it in anticipation of class at 9 |
| 14:09:46 | decayedcell | when I plug my ipod into the AC charger, is it supposed to start charging because it isn't... |
| 14:10:28 | MonkeyTamer | works for me |
| 14:10:48 | MonkeyTamer | doesn't show the icon |
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| 14:11:50 | directhex|work | one thing i miss from my karma is alphabet filtering of long lists - i.e. when scrolling through a long list such as all albums, you can scroll to a letter of the alphabet then the album name |
| 14:12:45 | MonkeyTamer | sounds useful |
| 14:13:13 | bluebrother | directhex|work: you can do this using tagcache |
| 14:13:19 | bluebrother | err, database ;-) |
| 14:13:35 | MonkeyTamer | i thought it was metadata depository? |
| 14:13:53 | bluebrother | that customizable whatever thingy ;-) |
| 14:14:17 | directhex|work | MonkeyTamer, now it's "extended information bucket o' stuff" |
| 14:14:32 | MonkeyTamer | i guess i missed that one |
| 14:14:42 | markun | directhex|work: I was thinking about a feature like that, but a bit more generic than selecting a letter from the alphabet |
| 14:14:47 | bluebrother | someone posted a tagnavi file in the forums |
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| 14:15:23 | directhex|work | markun, woo, i'm not mad! |
| 14:16:02 | Ackbahr | Hello! Does anyone have the specs for reasonnably playable mpg files with an iriver h300? Thank you! |
| 14:16:18 | directhex|work | it's a trap! |
| 14:16:56 | * | MonkeyTamer is lost |
| 14:17:24 | markun | directhex|work: split the list into the number of lines of the screen, then display the the first few (unique) chars of the first and last items in the list. What do you think? |
| 14:17:37 | markun | directhex|work: will also work with other languages for example |
| 14:18:36 | directhex|work | markun, interesting. i'd need to see a mockup to properly visualize it |
| 14:18:41 | markun | directhex|work: an entry could look like [Wee ... Zit] or something like that |
| 14:18:52 | MonkeyTamer | that sounds like a good idea |
| 14:19:09 | markun | the one before that maybe [Toc ... Ver] |
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| 14:19:21 | bluebrother | Ackbahr: it's described in the wiki ... |
| 14:19:56 | Ackbahr | Ah, sorry then, didn't see it when I was there.... Thanks! |
| 14:20:10 | markun | directhex|work: can you visualise it a bit? |
| 14:20:10 | LinusN | markun: i like that idea |
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| 14:20:36 | MonkeyTamer | would definitely help with scrolling issues |
| 14:20:41 | directhex|work | markun, i think i'm starting to get the idea |
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| 14:21:10 | markun | LinusN: any idea how we could switch to this view? |
| 14:21:25 | markun | in the context menu perhaps |
| 14:21:39 | markun | Or always do it for very long lists? |
| 14:22:16 | linuxstb_ | One problem could be [The ... The] |
| 14:22:34 | markun | linuxstb_: that's why I added "unique" |
| 14:22:43 | markun | if will just show more than 3 in that case |
| 14:23:37 | markun | [The Am ... The W] in my tree for example |
| 14:23:44 | LinusN | lovely |
| 14:24:35 | linuxstb_ | I guess it could be a setting "split long lists" or similar. |
| 14:24:54 | markun | yes, perhaps |
| 14:25:20 | linuxstb_ | Or "maximum list length", so the lists are split to keep that length.... |
| 14:25:30 | * | JdGordon wonders what your all talking about.. i read the long and still dont get it |
| 14:25:33 | markun | will it work like a virtual dir or just jump to the first item of the list? |
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| 14:26:11 | MonkeyTamer | split long lists to unique descriptors: ie [tag ... zoo] |
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| 14:26:42 | markun | JdGordon: do you get what directhex|work was missing from the Karma? |
| 14:27:10 | JdGordon | i tihnk so |
| 14:27:12 | directhex|work | i mean, it's a minor thing, but i sure don't listen to much Zwan anymore |
| 14:28:56 | linuxstb_ | directhex|work: The lists wrap - Z is next to A. |
| 14:29:19 | directhex|work | linuxstb_, NOW you tell me |
| 14:30:52 | directhex|work | didn't the karma do something clever with words like "the" too, i.e. storing "the flaming lips" under f? or am i remembering wrong... |
| 14:31:19 | MonkeyTamer | someone wrote a patch for that... but i think it no longer works fully |
| 14:31:58 | MonkeyTamer | or, perhaps it simply ignored the 'the' |
| 14:32:52 | directhex|work | i think rio just had a list of known starting words to ignore when sorting - e.g. "le" and "la" for french acts, but nothing for swahili |
| 14:33:15 | MonkeyTamer | bastards |
| 14:33:16 | LinusN | that patch is rejected, but i think that feature would be kind of nice to have in rockbox |
| 14:34:04 | LinusN | goes under the "neat stuff" category |
| 14:34:11 | MonkeyTamer | it would, it's more intuitive |
| 14:34:21 | LinusN | i wouldn't say that |
| 14:34:41 | LinusN | maybe for a native english speaker, but definitely not intuitive for me |
| 14:34:57 | LinusN | "The" starts with a T in my world |
| 14:35:14 | MonkeyTamer | that is true; didnt think in that perspective |
| 14:35:47 | LinusN | still, it's a neat feature |
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| 14:36:07 | LinusN | i can even go as far as the "natural" sorting of numbers |
| 14:36:32 | LinusN | nah, maybe not :-) |
| 14:36:55 | B4gder | you're growing soft |
| 14:37:01 | MonkeyTamer | the category of 'neat stuff' opens so many windows |
| 14:37:01 | B4gder | :-) |
| 14:37:07 | LinusN | yes, i realized that :-) |
| 14:37:39 | LinusN | i think rockbox should be about features, even the neat ones |
| 14:38:08 | B4gder | to me, Rockbox is about lots of money and glory |
| 14:38:29 | LinusN | "to provide you with the best possible experience on your MP3 player" |
| 14:38:33 | MonkeyTamer | and a background song of we are the champions by queen? |
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| 14:39:16 | LinusN | it's also about being able to bash people for using "plz, thx and u" in the forums |
| 14:39:27 | directhex|work | i find it odd that there's no good portable music player currently on the market. is there a single OF which doesn't suck immensely for one reason or another? |
| 14:39:47 | LinusN | directhex|work: sadly, the answer is "no" |
| 14:39:48 | B4gder | directhex|work: nope |
| 14:40:08 | directhex|work | the karma was good as a portable music player. but that's dead |
| 14:40:10 | LinusN | some say that the Karma was the least sucky ever |
| 14:40:27 | MonkeyTamer | that should be the title these days |
| 14:40:36 | directhex|work | LinusN, despite the dying disks of doom? how sad |
| 14:40:42 | LinusN | "Rockbox - sucks less" |
| 14:40:43 | MonkeyTamer | rated least sucky by music player magazine |
| 14:41:04 | MonkeyTamer | lol |
| 14:41:37 | LinusN | well, most magazines think iPod is nirvana, don't they? |
| 14:41:43 | directhex|work | urgh. yes |
| 14:41:45 | JdGordon | LinusN: you win the root menu title prize :) |
| 14:41:55 | JdGordon | sounds like a bag of shit was too long :p |
| 14:41:56 | B4gder | speaking of magazines, that Linux Magazine article surely is amazingly bad |
| 14:42:00 | MonkeyTamer | the ipod is ok... but definitely not the best |
| 14:42:18 | MonkeyTamer | it only moderately sucks less |
| 14:42:39 | linuxstb_ | B4gder: I'm starting to wonder why these articles are so bad - is accurate information about Rockbox that hard to find? |
| 14:42:49 | directhex|work | linuxstb_, yes! |
| 14:43:14 | linuxstb_ | It's all perfectly clear if you read the source code... |
| 14:43:15 | MonkeyTamer | I see those articles all the time... I've seen them in PC Mag, Linux, and several others |
| 14:43:30 | JdGordon | linuxstb_: no its not! |
| 14:43:42 | LinusN | it's so full of macros :-) |
| 14:43:51 | directhex|work | damnit, LinusN beat me to it :'( |
| 14:44:48 | JdGordon | oh haw haw haw :p |
| 14:44:51 | perplexity | LinusN: Dumb question, but in combing the bootloader v5 for h300 code, I can *not* find where inserting the charger causes a jump to the original firmware.. off the top of your head ? |
| 14:45:05 | JdGordon | root menu patch is online at 6630... |
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| 14:46:04 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: How complete is it? Is anything known not to be working? |
| 14:46:50 | linuxstb_ | Also, does setting the start screen to "Now Playing" replace the resume setting? |
| 14:46:50 | LinusN | perplexity: it checks for the Play or Remote Play button - if no button is pressed, it powers off without clearing the cookie, and it restarts in the original firmware |
| 14:47:14 | LinusN | so it is more or less by accident - codewise |
| 14:47:30 | perplexity | Ok, I see now.. thanks :) |
| 14:47:51 | JdGordon | linuxstb_: apart from some possible english changes, its complete. also it leaves some dead code in radio and dirbrowse().. but yeah, complete |
| 14:48:05 | JdGordon | I dont want to commit it without ppl trying it tho |
| 14:48:15 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: Nice. I'll try it when I get home this evening. |
| 14:48:18 | LinusN | perplexity: i have written a patch that checks the pcf50606 interrupt status |
| 14:48:24 | MonkeyTamer | i'll give it a shot.. got not much better to do |
| 14:48:43 | LinusN | and checks for charging and RTC interrupts |
| 14:49:26 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: What does the "menu" button now do in the various screens? Does it call the menu, or does it exit the screen back to the root menu, and then go into Settings? |
| 14:49:57 | perplexity | LinusN: I've not looked at it closely yet.. I was going to make 2 dirty hacks.. 1) remove the check for remote hold switch, 2) if the battery is over 50% full boot rockbox.. but if you are going to do some work on it then I won't risk the player :) |
| 14:50:32 | JdGordon | in the trees, menu takes you to the "main menu", the user doesnt see the root menu here, exiting the menu returns to the tree without going through the root menu again |
| 14:51:03 | JdGordon | navi in the wps goes to the screen you entered it from (so either the root menu or either of the browsers) |
| 14:51:07 | perplexity | Dumb question, but why RTC interrupts in the bootloader? Charging I guess I can understand |
| 14:52:02 | LinusN | perplexity: because we want to boot rockbox when there is an rtc interrupt |
| 14:52:08 | * | JdGordon wonders how long it would be before we see a patch to make rec cycle around the screens |
| 14:52:29 | perplexity | Oh, right.. yes I read about that feature somewhere.. |
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| 14:53:20 | JdGordon | perplexity: you cant remove 1)... |
| 14:53:28 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: I think that on the ipods (where we have few buttons), MENU could be used for a consistent "exit back to root menu" button. |
| 14:53:45 | perplexity | JdGordon: for my own use.. why not? I can't boot rockbox with my remote otherwise |
| 14:53:52 | JdGordon | perplexity: oh ok |
| 14:54:20 | LinusN | perplexity: the lcd-less remote problem? |
| 14:54:22 | perplexity | Oh yes, I was never intending to push dirty hacks like that upstream.. <ewww> |
| 14:54:26 | JdGordon | LinusN: we have a remote detect function... would that work in the bootloader so you can turn on with the non lcd remote? |
| 14:54:29 | perplexity | LinusN: yup |
| 14:54:49 | LinusN | JdGordon: we need to have that in the loader, yes |
| 14:55:38 | perplexity | that required initing the A-D and remainder of the pcf does'nt it though ? |
| 14:56:18 | perplexity | I guess we're not short of spare flash on the h300 so it's not a major issue |
| 14:56:48 | LinusN | we must do what is necessary for the loader to work |
| 14:56:58 | MonkeyTamer | JdGordon, what should I be looking for? |
| 14:57:10 | MonkeyTamer | the menu works, and looks good |
| 14:57:23 | MonkeyTamer | so far :D |
| 14:58:05 | MonkeyTamer | although I am uncertain as to why in the statusbar it says wav 44 |
| 14:58:24 | JdGordon | grr... :p |
| 14:58:38 | MonkeyTamer | ? |
| 14:58:39 | JdGordon | im not sure why, but the settings like doing that occasioanly |
| 14:58:46 | MonkeyTamer | oh ok |
| 14:58:58 | JdGordon | it shouldnt tho... |
| 14:59:23 | MonkeyTamer | I just overwrote my files, so I am unsure if that would make a difference |
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| 15:01:58 | MonkeyTamer | I'm a bit confused... |
| 15:02:02 | MonkeyTamer | after playing a song |
| 15:02:11 | MonkeyTamer | how do I go to main menu? |
| 15:02:38 | JdGordon | the root menu? whichever button used to goto the file browser |
| 15:03:51 | MonkeyTamer | hmm... when I press the select button (ipod), it shows the statusbar, then goes back to the music playing screen |
| 15:04:11 | MonkeyTamer | maybe I should try this with the default wps |
| 15:05:56 | * | JdGordon doesnt think Mike's recent commits fixed the problem :'( |
| 15:06:27 | MonkeyTamer | works ok with the normal wps |
| 15:06:43 | MonkeyTamer | seems it messes with the normal one that i use |
| 15:07:23 | JdGordon | thats odd... |
| 15:07:35 | MonkeyTamer | let me be more descriptive |
| 15:07:48 | JdGordon | please... :D |
| 15:07:59 | MonkeyTamer | what happens is the now playing picture gets stuck on the main menu |
| 15:08:11 | MonkeyTamer | er root menu |
| 15:08:20 | JdGordon | ah! ok woops |
| 15:08:36 | JdGordon | forgot to add some redrwaing stuff |
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| 15:09:10 | MonkeyTamer | glad to be of service :D |
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| 15:45:57 | preglow | i get input/output error whenever i try to write to my ipod now :/// |
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| 15:46:41 | Mikachu | that's no fun |
| 15:47:03 | preglow | any diag stuff in linux? |
| 15:47:09 | preglow | i don't know if it's a fat error or what |
| 15:47:24 | Mikachu | check if dmesg says anything |
| 15:48:39 | preglow | [ 7712.338961] sd 3:0:0:0: SCSI error: return code = 0x8000002 |
| 15:48:41 | preglow | :-) |
| 15:48:58 | Mikachu | no idea there |
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| 15:58:38 | B4gder | preglow: go dig in the kernel sources :-) |
| 15:59:01 | preglow | aghaga |
| 15:59:09 | preglow | i just had a day of fun just compiling them yesterday |
| 15:59:14 | preglow | i am not about to dig in them |
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| 16:09:01 | tNc | hey all |
| 16:09:20 | tNc | hope u all have fun whit yours ipod and rockbox :D |
| 16:09:55 | markun | tNc: no ipod here |
| 16:10:11 | tNc | :( |
| 16:10:28 | tNc | buy one the are really great |
| 16:10:30 | markun | don't be sad |
| 16:11:02 | markun | I'm happy with my Gigabeat. |
| 16:11:07 | MonkeyTamer | silly ipods... the only thing I hope to accomplish with mine is eventually put in a flash drive |
| 16:11:12 | tNc | iam sure u have much other thing that u like.. so iam not sad :D' |
| 16:11:30 | MonkeyTamer | that is when they finally come out |
| 16:12:12 | MonkeyTamer | more accurately... solid state drive I mean |
| 16:12:22 | tNc | yea no and days whit the g5 its no problem to use u ipod as flashdrive |
| 16:12:30 | markun | tNc: too bad rockbox is not very battery efficient on the ipods, otherwise it would have been a much nicer player |
| 16:13:17 | markun | tNc: he want's to replace the HDD with flash memory.. |
| 16:13:27 | directhex|work | ipods have failed to improve significantly since the g1 |
| 16:13:59 | tNc | markun i am the owner off a 30gb g5 vers , my first ipod ever and i only having for 30 days ore so |
| 16:14:00 | MonkeyTamer | markun: a nice transplant would improve battery life at least a bit, especially not needing to power up and down the drive |
| 16:14:11 | tNc | so iam a little noob stille to ipod |
| 16:14:24 | MonkeyTamer | that is... when it comes out of course... |
| 16:14:51 | MonkeyTamer | but still |
| 16:14:54 | tNc | but wow replace the hdd whit flash :o good luck and iam sure it's going to load fast |
| 16:15:02 | MonkeyTamer | since when have ipods been known for good battery life? |
| 16:15:09 | MonkeyTamer | :( |
| 16:15:18 | directhex|work | the reboot gods are demanding a sacrifice |
| 16:15:20 | markun | MonkeyTamer: with the OF they last 2x as long |
| 16:15:28 | tNc | not something i have heart off |
| 16:15:30 | tNc | hehe |
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| 16:15:58 | markun | tNc: what do you think of rockbox? |
| 16:16:05 | MonkeyTamer | true; it's still improving though, slowly |
| 16:16:42 | MonkeyTamer | thanks to koc, I don't freeze really at all; battery life has shot up for me too, due to not needing to disable frequency scaling |
| 16:17:08 | MonkeyTamer | granted.... still probably no higher than 6 hours or so |
| 16:17:17 | MonkeyTamer | if that |
| 16:18:09 | tNc | markun i have seen some rockbox theme here http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=rockbox+themes&btnG=Seach&svnum=10&hl=en&lr= |
| 16:18:23 | tNc | and damm this is lokking so good :D:D |
| 16:18:34 | MonkeyTamer | the good looking ones always require patches... |
| 16:18:43 | MonkeyTamer | and plenty of them |
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| 16:19:41 | MonkeyTamer | if you can sync them yourself; it's never a problem I suppose |
| 16:19:50 | markun | MonkeyTamer: what's koc? |
| 16:19:59 | MonkeyTamer | kernel on cop |
| 16:20:11 | tNc | iam sidding and reading the manual and omg there is a lot to learn before i just plug-ins my ipod ind starting up |
| 16:20:24 | markun | :) |
| 16:20:39 | MonkeyTamer | good! reading the manual is good |
| 16:21:01 | MonkeyTamer | so is the wiki... sometimes, on those lonely nights.... |
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| 16:22:52 | MonkeyTamer | there's definitely some interesting work getting done lately though |
| 16:22:58 | tNc | not rtfm but rtmig |
| 16:23:22 | MonkeyTamer | what? |
| 16:23:40 | tNc | rtmig=reading the manual is good |
| 16:23:49 | MonkeyTamer | oh |
| 16:24:02 | MonkeyTamer | i understand that now, the former acronym that is |
| 16:24:16 | Mikachu | euoaia |
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| 16:24:31 | MonkeyTamer | all composed of vowels... |
| 16:24:43 | Mikachu | excessive use of acronyms is annoying ;) |
| 16:25:10 | MonkeyTamer | well... internet is one thing... but what about the real life? |
| 16:25:31 | MonkeyTamer | I hear people literally say "OMG" and 'LOL," it's terrible... |
| 16:29:10 | w1ll14m_ | hi all, i'm still alive!!!!!!! |
| 16:29:24 | MonkeyTamer | welcome |
| 16:29:24 | tNc | ups i say omg and lol in real life :( |
| 16:29:42 | MonkeyTamer | it's sometimes funny |
| 16:29:45 | Mikachu | it sounds better in scandinavian than english :) |
| 16:29:48 | MonkeyTamer | but not when overused |
| 16:30:05 | MonkeyTamer | w11l14m, the v4 patch doesn't work |
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| 16:30:14 | Mikachu | you can say it as a word and not letter by letter |
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| 16:30:52 | w1ll14m | monkeytamer, what does the feedback say ? |
| 16:30:59 | MonkeyTamer | failed chunk on #1 |
| 16:31:04 | MonkeyTamer | forgot the line |
| 16:31:12 | w1ll14m | you need cop8 for this patch |
| 16:31:19 | MonkeyTamer | I know |
| 16:31:31 | MonkeyTamer | decayed cell had the problem too |
| 16:31:39 | w1ll14m | let me check..... |
| 16:31:41 | MonkeyTamer | but ill try again |
| 16:31:48 | MonkeyTamer | what was the link? |
| 16:31:59 | w1ll14m | i'm with a handicap right now....... |
| 16:32:20 | MonkeyTamer | oh, I'll see if I can find it |
| 16:32:50 | w1ll14m | i can only use left.... the docter sent me to hospital... and they've cleaned my thumb... now i'm dying from pain :( |
| 16:33:01 | MonkeyTamer | no problem |
| 16:33:11 | w1ll14m | they did a hard job on my thumb ;) |
| 16:33:21 | MonkeyTamer | Strangly though with v3, I had gotten my first freezes in a while |
| 16:33:43 | MonkeyTamer | twice while messing around in settings, once during playback |
| 16:34:04 | MonkeyTamer | I am unsure of the relation |
| 16:34:12 | MonkeyTamer | but, anyways, lemme check v4 |
| 16:34:14 | w1ll14m | ok |
| 16:34:31 | w1ll14m | http://rockbox.schoorl.nu/cpu_freq_60-90-v4.patch |
| 16:34:43 | w1ll14m | isn't edited yet |
| 16:34:58 | w1ll14m | but you can try... you need to patch cop8 first |
| 16:35:05 | MonkeyTamer | already done |
| 16:35:08 | w1ll14m | ll get a clean svn now |
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| 16:37:00 | MonkeyTamer | that's weird... it claims I've already applied the patch |
| 16:37:11 | MonkeyTamer | I had refreshed my source files |
| 16:37:12 | w1ll14m | yes partly |
| 16:37:26 | w1ll14m | that's why i get my self a clean svn ;) |
| 16:37:38 | MonkeyTamer | I'll do the same |
| 16:39:14 | w1ll14m | fixed it... let me upload v5 |
| 16:39:48 | MonkeyTamer | alright, I'm refreshing my svn; I'll be ready |
| 16:40:14 | w1ll14m | ok uploaded ;) |
| 16:40:36 | w1ll14m | http://rockbox.schoorl.nu/cpu_freq_60-90-v5.patch |
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| 16:40:57 | w1ll14m | you need cop8 first and then cpu_freq_60-90-v5.patch |
| 16:41:15 | w1ll14m | it should now apply cleanly :) |
| 16:41:43 | MonkeyTamer | definitely learned about koc necessary first when I had first applied v3 |
| 16:41:55 | w1ll14m | :) |
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| 16:42:04 | MonkeyTamer | there was definitely a great improvement for certain applications |
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| 16:42:09 | MonkeyTamer | particularly plugins |
| 16:42:15 | w1ll14m | v1 apply's on cvs without cop8 |
| 16:43:07 | MonkeyTamer | primary reason I had gotten vmware was to compile with the cop patch, but it's nice to check out others as well |
| 16:43:19 | w1ll14m | lol ;) |
| 16:44:00 | MonkeyTamer | I understand now why members with unsupported builds only update every week or so |
| 16:44:05 | MonkeyTamer | it can take a chunk of time |
| 16:44:08 | w1ll14m | :) |
| 16:44:12 | w1ll14m | indeed |
| 16:44:23 | MonkeyTamer | alright, all downloaded |
| 16:44:25 | MonkeyTamer | now to patch |
| 16:44:32 | w1ll14m | especialy when a patch is out of sync :) |
| 16:45:00 | MonkeyTamer | definitely |
| 16:45:19 | w1ll14m | patch ok? |
| 16:45:59 | MonkeyTamer | nice and clean |
| 16:46:09 | w1ll14m | nice :) |
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| 16:46:37 | MonkeyTamer | two files are updated right? |
| 16:46:48 | w1ll14m | indeed ... |
| 16:47:01 | MonkeyTamer | now i'll load it, and see what happens |
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| 16:49:00 | MonkeyTamer | almost ready... |
| 16:49:04 | w1ll14m | :) |
| 16:49:11 | w1ll14m | exciting ;) |
| 16:49:32 | MonkeyTamer | there's just always something exciting about an update |
| 16:49:39 | w1ll14m | indeed!!! |
| 16:50:08 | w1ll14m | brb |
| 16:50:13 | MonkeyTamer | ok |
| 16:54:38 | MonkeyTamer | oh no! it won't boot! |
| 16:54:58 | MonkeyTamer | just kidding... it works fine |
| 16:56:07 | markun | doesn't JdGordon check the build table when he commits something? |
| 16:56:33 | Mikachu | apparently not |
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| 16:57:12 | linuxstb_ | He does like very late night (in Aus.) commits... |
| 16:57:50 | MonkeyTamer | I am unsure what the last one was about; last thing I thought he was doing was the root menu |
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| 16:59:04 | linuxstb_ | Doesn't it just need a #ifdef HAVE_RECORDING around the new line? |
| 16:59:29 | MonkeyTamer | the root menu seemed to be logical, but there was an issue with returning to the root menu after playing a song |
| 16:59:45 | markun | linuxstb_: probably |
| 16:59:47 | MonkeyTamer | he said he knew what he missed |
| 16:59:54 | markun | aha |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:14 | MonkeyTamer | something about redrawing? |
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| 17:05:50 | w1ll14m | back |
| 17:05:59 | MonkeyTamer | w1ll14m: I got a freeze again |
| 17:06:28 | MonkeyTamer | listening to music, playing bubbles, and then a freeze after about 5 minutes |
| 17:07:18 | MonkeyTamer | of course... this is on the notorious ipod 4g, where freezing seems to be inherent to the portalplayer chip |
| 17:07:28 | MonkeyTamer | ipod color specifically |
| 17:07:33 | w1ll14m | hmmm strange! |
| 17:08:00 | MonkeyTamer | I have not had freezes with cop8 by itself... |
| 17:08:19 | MonkeyTamer | and I know that the ipod 4g tends to freeze with cpu scaling |
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| 17:09:27 | w1ll14m | monkeytamer: what was the freeze like ?? just a freeze ?? |
| 17:09:43 | MonkeyTamer | no data abort |
| 17:09:49 | MonkeyTamer | just a straight freeze |
| 17:09:52 | w1ll14m | ok |
| 17:10:08 | w1ll14m | can you try compiling a new bootloader ? |
| 17:10:17 | w1ll14m | brb |
| 17:10:48 | w1ll14m | back |
| 17:10:48 | MonkeyTamer | I'm not as familiar with that area, but given some instruction I'm sure I vould |
| 17:10:51 | MonkeyTamer | *could |
| 17:11:02 | w1ll14m | make a new foder |
| 17:11:11 | w1ll14m | folder * |
| 17:11:18 | MonkeyTamer | done |
| 17:11:27 | w1ll14m | like build but then named botloader |
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| 17:11:40 | w1ll14m | run configure |
| 17:11:58 | w1ll14m | choose target and then choose B for bootloader |
| 17:12:19 | w1ll14m | then type make hit enter |
| 17:12:30 | w1ll14m | you should get bootloader.ipod |
| 17:12:48 | w1ll14m | instructions continue after that |
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| 17:13:51 | MonkeyTamer | ../tools/configure ? |
| 17:13:56 | w1ll14m | indeed |
| 17:14:05 | MonkeyTamer | doesn't give me the option for B |
| 17:14:20 | w1ll14m | not ??? |
| 17:14:24 | MonkeyTamer | nm |
| 17:14:34 | MonkeyTamer | I forgot, I'm just really tired |
| 17:14:40 | w1ll14m | ok |
| 17:14:48 | MonkeyTamer | sorry |
| 17:14:55 | w1ll14m | nvm ;) |
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| 17:15:43 | MonkeyTamer | alrite, it's compiled |
| 17:15:56 | w1ll14m | just a sec... |
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| 17:17:06 | w1ll14m | now go to tools/ipodpatcher |
| 17:17:14 | w1ll14m | type make and hit enter |
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| 17:18:37 | MonkeyTamer | same folder as the bootloader? |
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| 17:18:49 | w1ll14m | no.... |
| 17:19:09 | w1ll14m | cd [rockbox svnroot]/tools/ipodpatcher |
| 17:19:52 | | Quit spiorf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) |
| 17:19:55 | w1ll14m | what is your ipod device ?? /dev/sda ? |
| 17:20:31 | MonkeyTamer | 20, ipodcolor |
| 17:21:01 | w1ll14m | i mean /dev/sda ? |
| 17:21:21 | MonkeyTamer | I honestly don't know the term |
| 17:21:25 | w1ll14m | what is your environment ? |
| 17:21:31 | MonkeyTamer | vmware |
| 17:21:34 | MonkeyTamer | debian |
| 17:21:35 | w1ll14m | ok... |
| 17:22:06 | w1ll14m | windows is your actual os ? |
| 17:22:11 | MonkeyTamer | yes |
| 17:22:27 | w1ll14m | ok, you need ipod patcher for windows |
| 17:22:44 | MonkeyTamer | I have the file |
| 17:22:55 | w1ll14m | ok.... |
| 17:23:01 | MonkeyTamer | in CMD? |
| 17:23:27 | w1ll14m | then type ipodpatcher ipoddisk -a /path/to/bootloader.ipod |
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| 17:26:15 | MonkeyTamer | ok got it |
| 17:27:04 | w1ll14m | :) |
| 17:27:51 | MonkeyTamer | what exactly would this do? better compatibility? |
| 17:28:05 | w1ll14m | new bootloader :) |
| 17:28:32 | w1ll14m | that is from the same source... i've heard people about crashes went away after new bootloader |
| 17:28:54 | MonkeyTamer | how recent is this? |
| 17:29:05 | w1ll14m | hoq recent ? |
| 17:29:12 | w1ll14m | what do you mean ? |
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| 17:29:19 | w1ll14m | the bootloader ? |
| 17:29:22 | MonkeyTamer | you said new bootloader |
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| 17:29:42 | MonkeyTamer | are you referring to just a self-made bootloader, or an actual new source for the bootloader? |
| 17:29:47 | w1ll14m | yeah indeed ... the bootloader you just made is brand new |
| 17:30:02 | MonkeyTamer | oh ok |
| 17:30:05 | w1ll14m | :) |
| 17:30:23 | w1ll14m | this could help the freezes gewt away :) |
| 17:30:27 | w1ll14m | get*** |
| 17:30:33 | MonkeyTamer | that'd definitely be good |
| 17:30:38 | w1ll14m | :) |
| 17:30:49 | MonkeyTamer | it'll take a little while to know for certain |
| 17:31:17 | MonkeyTamer | thank you for being patient; I do try |
| 17:31:20 | w1ll14m | we'll see ;) |
| 17:31:30 | MonkeyTamer | getting used to debian still a bit |
| 17:32:07 | w1ll14m | well i don't haveanything to do any more except this :) i'm not allowed to work anymore till my thumb is better ;) |
| 17:32:13 | w1ll14m | :) |
| 17:32:30 | MonkeyTamer | that's still got to be a bummer |
| 17:32:34 | w1ll14m | i use gentoo... it has a nice cross-platform support |
| 17:32:52 | w1ll14m | and it's a dedicated machine ;) |
| 17:33:01 | w1ll14m | so i plug my ipod into it :) |
| 17:33:05 | MonkeyTamer | I kind of wish I had been more exposed to other operating systems |
| 17:33:10 | w1ll14m | i like to work from commandline |
| 17:33:34 | w1ll14m | i did it my self... back the days i was still at college |
| 17:34:00 | w1ll14m | and used a lot of spare time when i was wrokin.. i stopped school when iwas 17 |
| 17:34:10 | w1ll14m | sice then i had a job:) |
| 17:34:14 | MonkeyTamer | I probably would more... but the dos-like cmd of windows is not the best... |
| 17:34:52 | w1ll14m | now i'm 19 and i'm juniot application ptogrammer :) still i don't have any diploma |
| 17:35:09 | directhex|work | technically debian has about twice the platform support of gentoo |
| 17:35:21 | w1ll14m | junior, programmer*** still not used typing with left.... |
| 17:35:30 | MonkeyTamer | I'm in college working to be an aero engineer |
| 17:35:59 | w1ll14m | directhex i prefer gentoo :) but that is a personal choice ;) |
| 17:36:07 | * | jhMikeS is a little confused by the need to set the value of in_recording_screen from outside recording_screen now :\ |
| 17:36:08 | w1ll14m | monkeytamer: nice :) |
| 17:36:29 | MonkeyTamer | so far no freeze after about 5 mins |
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| 17:36:42 | w1ll14m | nice, now till battery dies :) |
| 17:36:56 | MonkeyTamer | I wish I could tell |
| 17:37:03 | directhex|work | w1ll14m, i find life's too short to mess about unnecessarily. these days i just use ubuntu |
| 17:37:07 | w1ll14m | damn... eating is gonna be dificould |
| 17:37:07 | MonkeyTamer | I have class in 30 minutes tho |
| 17:37:34 | w1ll14m | directhex you are damn right :) life does go much to fast!!! |
| 17:37:51 | w1ll14m | monkey: lol whats your time ? |
| 17:37:54 | MonkeyTamer | 8:40 |
| 17:37:58 | w1ll14m | am ? |
| 17:38:03 | MonkeyTamer | yep |
| 17:38:09 | MonkeyTamer | California |
| 17:38:16 | w1ll14m | loooooooooool it's here 17:36 |
| 17:38:19 | w1ll14m | hehehe |
| 17:38:33 | w1ll14m | time for dinner ;) |
| 17:38:43 | MonkeyTamer | hahaha, I didn't even sleep last night |
| 17:38:44 | w1ll14m | well have a nice day at schhol then :) |
| 17:38:48 | MonkeyTamer | thanks |
| 17:38:49 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 17:38:59 | w1ll14m | i know the problem :) |
| 17:39:13 | MonkeyTamer | hard to sleep sometimes; too much going on |
| 17:39:23 | MonkeyTamer | I did do some work tho ;) |
| 17:39:29 | w1ll14m | yeah or to much pain ;) |
| 17:40:03 | w1ll14m | brb |
| 17:40:09 | MonkeyTamer | hope you feel better |
| 17:40:15 | MonkeyTamer | anyways, I have to get ready for class |
| 17:40:22 | w1ll14m | ok cya :) |
| 17:40:27 | w1ll14m | thanx ;) |
| 17:40:34 | MonkeyTamer | bye |
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| 17:53:34 | pondlife | Hi Llorean |
| 17:54:00 | pondlife | Don't know if you saw the last point on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5744 |
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| 17:54:29 | pondlife | I think that's a good argument for inclusion... |
| 17:54:51 | Llorean | pondlife: If his computer corrupts his iPod when he does that, something else is wrong. |
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| 17:55:09 | pondlife | I meant the "not having a charger" part |
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| 17:55:29 | pondlife | i.e. some people will normally use USB for charging much more than connection. |
| 17:55:47 | Llorean | pondlife: Yes, but it doesn't matter which USB mode you're in while connected, unless you intend to listen to music while it's charging. |
| 17:56:00 | Llorean | Even the Apple firmware defaults to USB connection when attached to a computer. |
| 17:56:11 | Llorean | It'll charge in both modes. |
| 17:56:51 | Mikachu | actually it doesn't until the computer tries to access the usb device |
| 17:57:28 | Llorean | Mikachu: Which in Windows and MacOS, the two OSes it's designed for, is immediately upon physical connection, right? |
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| 17:58:36 | * | pondlife still wants to commit the option. |
| 17:59:00 | pondlife | ...but not to be known as a bloater |
| 17:59:07 | Llorean | I don't see why it's too hard to hold a button down when you already *have* to hold your player. |
| 17:59:13 | Llorean | It's a *single* button. |
| 17:59:55 | pondlife | Why not have button hold to enable USB connection then? Apart from history... |
| 18:00 |
| 18:00:22 | pondlife | If it's that simple |
| 18:00:25 | directhex|work | the hold button's too busy resetting my damned doom controls! |
| 18:00:36 | Llorean | Well, right now, if Hold were on, and you plugged in a USB cable, it'd go into Apple OS, not Disk MOde |
| 18:00:58 | pondlife | I don't mean the Hold Button |
| 18:00:58 | Llorean | I think |
| 18:01:04 | pondlife | I mean whatever the USB button is |
| 18:01:11 | pondlife | i.e. Record on my H300 |
| 18:01:31 | Llorean | Because if you just want to charge, or just want to sync, connection is fine. |
| 18:01:46 | Llorean | The only time you need to stay in Rockbox while charging is if you want to listen to music WHILE plugged in. |
| 18:01:47 | pondlife | But it stops music playback. |
| 18:02:03 | Llorean | Which, I should mention, doesn't work well since Rockbox doesn't put it in high power mode, so the battery actually drains for many people *anyway* |
| 18:02:28 | Llorean | At least on iPods. |
| 18:02:32 | pondlife | But that's just an unfinished bit of work. |
| 18:03:05 | Llorean | As it is, USB connection to a computer is *supposed* to be for file transfer. The alternate mode is charging, not the primary |
| 18:03:10 | pondlife | OK, well maybe you should close FS #5744 |
| 18:03:37 | pondlife | ;) |
| 18:03:42 | Llorean | The only exception to that *might* be the iPods, since they don't come with a charger, but even then we offer the option not to stop Playback when you plug in, something the retail firmware doesn't. |
| 18:03:49 | Llorean | Well, it's not my decision in the end. |
| 18:03:53 | Llorean | I'm just offering my views on the matter. |
| 18:04:02 | pondlife | True, I was just joking |
| 18:04:20 | Llorean | Although I could close it, I suppose. Enough people already actively dislike me. |
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| 18:04:52 | Llorean | I just am _very_ strongly against the idea that we need options for tiny things like "whether holding a button, or not holding the button, is what triggers an event" |
| 18:05:06 | pondlife | It's a nice UI option IMHO |
| 18:05:46 | Llorean | You have to touch your device every single time you plug it in though. While holding it, why can't you press the button though? |
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| 18:06:09 | Llorean | The thing is, it's a *small* option, but it adds code for something that is essentially "I am very, very lazy" |
| 18:06:26 | Llorean | And there are a *lot* of options that could be added in this same vein. |
| 18:06:30 | pondlife | Or I can't do this with one hand while driving |
| 18:06:34 | pondlife | :) |
| 18:06:36 | Llorean | Options that while small, can add up if a precedent is set. |
| 18:06:42 | Llorean | pondlife: Yes, but charger detection solves that one. |
| 18:06:43 | pondlife | I agree |
| 18:06:46 | Llorean | Or "Car mode" toggle. |
| 18:07:01 | pondlife | Car mode? I thought that was Archos only |
| 18:07:02 | Llorean | We're discussing the option to switch the buttons, NOT the option to have car mode disable USB connection. |
| 18:07:21 | Llorean | pondlife: The patch does two things. One switches the buttons. The other has the "Car Mode" option disable USB connection. It should be two patches |
| 18:07:30 | Llorean | The latter, having the Car Mode option disable USB connection, I'm fine with. |
| 18:07:34 | pondlife | OK, I only want the button switch |
| 18:07:49 | Llorean | On the assumption that we cannot detect USB Chargers for certain hardwares. |
| 18:07:55 | Llorean | The button switch is most _certainly_ fluff |
| 18:07:56 | pondlife | But I suppose the other would do, if car mode is available on H300 |
| 18:08:19 | Llorean | And your "Can't do this with one hand while driving" argument is irrelevant for the button switch, since that's not the ideal solution for the problem. |
| 18:08:26 | n1s | IMO the problem with all the "conveinience" options and shortcuts people want is that if they all get added it will become difficult to find anythin... |
| 18:09:01 | n1s | pondlife: car mode is not available for H300 |
| 18:09:07 | Llorean | n1s: That's my point. This is not a _bad_ option, it's just an option that falls in this category, and is a VERY small convenience, but opens the door for even smaller ones. |
| 18:09:19 | Llorean | pondlife: But that doesn't mean it can't be made available, in a manner. |
| 18:09:22 | pondlife | There is an option in settings on H300 for Car Adapter Mode |
| 18:09:29 | pondlife | Any idea if it does anything? |
| 18:09:33 | Llorean | Right now, it shouldn't |
| 18:09:45 | n1s | it requires the bootloader to actually start rockbox when power is turend on tho... |
| 18:09:48 | Llorean | Car Mode should shut down the player when it stops receiving power. |
| 18:10:02 | Llorean | On iPods, they automatically turn on when the player receives power. |
| 18:10:23 | Llorean | But Car Mode should also disallow USB mode, since you shouldn't be making a USB connection in the car anyway. |
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| 18:13:03 | n1s | Llorean: but what if you use the player with car mode while driving and the take it out of the car and use it normally, should you need to disable car mode to connect over usb? |
| 18:13:15 | pondlife | Hee hee, car mode on the H300 just pauses when power is removed. |
| 18:13:43 | n1s | pondlife: that should make it die after the idle timeout, right? |
| 18:14:07 | pondlife | Yes, I suppose so. Is that how it works on Archos and/or iPod? |
| 18:15:33 | n1s | pondlife: no idea... |
| 18:16:08 | n1s | but to be really useful on h300 it should start rockbox on power insert |
| 18:16:29 | Llorean | n1s: If "Car Mode" is on, you just hold down the button to connect. |
| 18:17:01 | Llorean | n1s: But you could also just turn off car mode, yes. |
| 18:17:09 | pondlife | Indeed. Why does the H300 bootloader go to the OF on power insert? I have just built my first bootloader, so might mod that and test. |
| 18:17:14 | bluebrother | car mode is not available on h300? |
| 18:17:22 | Llorean | bluebrother: It's not fully functional yet. |
| 18:17:32 | Llorean | bluebrother: As it depends on the player booting into Rockbox when a charger is connected. |
| 18:17:39 | bluebrother | ah. I remember having it seen on my h120 :) |
| 18:17:48 | Llorean | bluebrother: It's definitely not available on the H100 series. :-P |
| 18:18:01 | pondlife | We now have full power monitoring on the H300, so there's no real need to go to the OF in this case. |
| 18:18:13 | Llorean | pondlife: Okay, I've made my final comment on 5744, giving them fair warning that it'll be closed (probably in ~24 hours) |
| 18:18:13 | bluebrother | hmm. I'm pretty sure I saw a car mode option |
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| 18:18:37 | Llorean | bluebrother: If it's there, it's useless, since the H120 can't turn on upon power cable insert. |
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| 18:19:18 | bluebrother | maybe that got removed because of this some time ago ... haven't checked |
| 18:19:41 | Llorean | It may not have been removed. |
| 18:19:49 | * | bluebrother checks |
| 18:19:55 | Llorean | You still might want your player to power down upon charger disconnect |
| 18:20:00 | Llorean | And I think that's all "Car Mode" actually does. |
| 18:20:07 | bluebrother | it's there. |
| 18:20:22 | pondlife | OK, it does also rely on the idle timeout (on H300 at least) |
| 18:20:58 | bluebrother | but I don't see auto-power on as absolute must −− powering the device on is one button press |
| 18:21:10 | bluebrother | of course it would be nice to do that automatically. |
| 18:21:48 | Llorean | bluebrother: Well, the auto-power-on is just intended with Car Mode. I think it's still useful without it. |
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| 18:23:41 | * | bluebrother notices car adapter mode isn't documented in the h100 manual |
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| 19:20:45 | jhMikeS | petur: I put a couple recording patches in FS #6109 if you wish to check them out for changing the buffer limits. |
| 19:21:09 | petur | I certainly will |
| 19:21:19 | petur | got some concerts coming up |
| 19:21:45 | petur | and I'm seeing some free time coming up so I may have a look at the code too |
| 19:22:45 | jhMikeS | Should give you about the same as the non-codec recording. And, yes would be nice to have someone else's eyes on the code a bit. |
| 19:23:20 | petur | I'll use the patches and not empty my player (and keep fingers crossed ;) ) |
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| 19:24:00 | * | petur runs off |
| 19:24:02 | jhMikeS | hehe, don't risk anything _really_ important since I don't know for sure yet. |
| 19:24:09 | petur | np |
| 19:24:40 | jhMikeS | but....if you think it's a good time to test, I need that info |
| 19:25:54 | petur | I'll have to take the risk |
| 19:26:31 | jhMikeS | The second one is probably the best bet since it double pcm buffer size |
| 19:26:49 | petur | that's maybe a bit much, no? |
| 19:28:16 | jhMikeS | I don't know, but it's powers of two right now so no choice really. There's lots of room with 32MB of memory. |
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| 19:31:42 | petur | jhMikeS: so pcm buffer goes from 2MB to 4MB, right? |
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| 19:33:33 | jhMikeS | petur: yes, and 20s _max_ remaining buffer is 3MB, so 2/3 or better of it is still codec space |
| 19:34:20 | petur | I'll have to study the code a bit more, it sure got complicated :/ |
| 19:34:24 | jhMikeS | should expect it to start flushing aroud 11 - 12 seconds |
| 19:34:43 | Llorean | Soap: In regards to the "To be deleted" section in the forum, I tend to leave things in there for a long time just because for 99% of users, there's no harm in leaving them there (if a thread doesn't deserve to be there or there's valid reason to recover it, it can be brought back, and it doesn't show up in normal users' searches) |
| 19:36:14 | jhMikeS | petur: most of it isn't executed during a continuous recording |
| 19:37:44 | petur | I'm trying to free time as I've been inactive way too long, sorry for letting you alone on the rec code |
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| 19:41:26 | jhMikeS | petur: I forgive you :D |
| 19:41:40 | petur | thnx ;) |
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| 19:42:45 | Flemmard | hi guys |
| 19:43:29 | Flemmard | I have a question.. a friend has installed rockbox on his ipod nano, and now .. it don't boot, and he is'nt detected by windows anymore .. a way to fix it ? |
| 19:43:45 | Llorean | What _does_ it do? |
| 19:44:10 | jhMikeS | crap, I left a test loop to 30000 in there (to strain flushing) |
| 19:44:27 | Flemmard | nothing |
| 19:44:27 | jhMikeS | 300000 actually, heh |
| 19:44:29 | directhex | sings "witchcraft" by frank sinatra |
| 19:44:29 | * | petur just installed the patched build |
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| 19:45:08 | Llorean | Flemmard: Nothing as in "The screen doesn't light up" or nothing as in "It continually loops" or what? |
| 19:45:22 | jhMikeS | remove the for (x ... thing in pcmrec_flush) *lol* |
| 19:45:34 | Flemmard | the screen doesn't light up |
| 19:46:06 | * | jhMikeS thinks he'll correct those patches real quick |
| 19:46:11 | Flemmard | he'll try to send it back to apple .. and pray |
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| 19:47:31 | Llorean | Flemmard: Turn on hold, turn off hold, plug it into a computer, and hold Menu+Select for 30 seconds |
| 19:47:46 | jhMikeS | petur: It did flush without sample loss with that loop there though |
| 19:48:03 | Flemmard | Llorean: he'll try |
| 19:48:10 | petur | jhMikeS: you mean the while(++x < 300000) at line 909 probably |
| 19:48:23 | MonkeyTamer | one thing to add about proper rebooting, hold the buttons with moderate pressure |
| 19:48:41 | MonkeyTamer | pressing harder tends to have a negative effect |
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| 19:50:35 | Flemmard | Llorean: it does'nt work :s |
| 19:50:35 | jhMikeS | petur: yeah, just get rid of x and the while |
| 19:50:46 | * | petur discovers he installed the wrong build anyway |
| 19:51:00 | * | petur starts another round of forehead slapping |
| 19:51:26 | Llorean | Flemmard: Then either he's doing it wrong, or he's broken his nano, or the battery is too low. |
| 19:52:01 | Flemmard | he told me that he broke the cable to the computer, and since this moment, nothing anymore |
| 19:52:11 | linuxstb_ | How is he charging then? |
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| 20:13:29 | jhMikeS | speaking of cables, I'm wondering the best way of making a disconnectable usb cable that need not be physically plugged/unplugged all the time and won't interfere with transmission |
| 20:13:54 | directhex | with metal and plastic |
| 20:14:41 | jhMikeS | yes, a good start ;) |
| 20:15:03 | directhex | glad i could help! |
| 20:15:29 | w1ll14m | lol |
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| 20:19:18 | * | jhMikeS is sick of unplugging the player all the time for on target debugging and wants to be excessive in the approach :) |
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| 20:20:03 | bluebrother | so you want to disconnect the data lines? |
| 20:20:19 | hachi | jhMikeS: there's only two data lines in USB, you could use a basic DPST switch and just wire it up |
| 20:20:25 | jhMikeS | yes, but with logic circuits or something |
| 20:20:55 | hachi | however, I haven't found usb connectors at fry's myself, which is the largest electronics retailler I can find locally |
| 20:20:59 | hachi | could possibly go to digikey |
| 20:21:00 | bluebrother | you could use a bus driver chip that has a disable option |
| 20:21:34 | jhMikeS | bluebrother: now that's the excess I'm looking for :) One button to toggle the connection. Any come to mind? |
| 20:21:57 | bluebrother | similar to MAX3378 (which is a level shifter, but you could shift from USB level to USB level ;-) |
| 20:23:24 | jhMikeS | Maxim chips should be easy to get too |
| 20:24:00 | bluebrother | unfortunately the package cries for a pcb |
| 20:24:05 | bluebrother | (TSSOP14) |
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| 20:24:37 | bluebrother | Maxim should have other bus drivers as well |
| 20:24:40 | jhMikeS | can make one |
| 20:27:07 | amiconn | jhMikeS: What's the advantage of storing the radio status etc in global_status over storing it in the respective module? |
| 20:27:31 | amiconn | I think storing it in the module is better... |
| 20:27:34 | jhMikeS | amiconn: to eliminate the need to call functions really |
| 20:28:02 | amiconn | Well, if it's app code, you can just declare the variables "public" |
| 20:28:33 | amiconn | (i.e. declare them 'extern' in the appropriate .h file) |
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| 20:29:52 | jhMikeS | true, but I found it appealing to have all that state stuff centralized |
| 20:30:25 | amiconn | That's less modularisation |
| 20:30:37 | amiconn | (ok, global_settings is also global...) |
| 20:31:05 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Btw, for your usb solution: why not just use a 4-fold flip switch? |
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| 20:32:43 | jhMikeS | amiconn: that's the quick and dirty way I suppose...I want fancy with status lights and one touch toggle :) |
| 20:33:34 | n1s | jhMikeS: cutting the power over the USB i senough, I have a home made dock for my h300 and a switch (with a too bright white led) that toggles usb power on and off, woks like a charm :-) |
| 20:33:46 | amiconn | One touch vs. one flip - I don't see the difference |
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| 20:33:58 | amiconn | And a flip switch gives you the status display for free |
| 20:34:26 | n1s | But what is the point if you don't have any LED's ? :-P |
| 20:34:43 | amiconn | Saving power |
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| 20:35:43 | w1ll14m | amiconn: can't we just sleep the display controllers after about 10 secs backlight went out ? |
| 20:35:49 | jhMikeS | that would get it done quickly. I did want "excessive"...so a fancy solid state circuit on a pcb... |
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| 20:37:41 | amiconn | w1ll14m: If you find out how to do this on ipod, then yes |
| 20:37:51 | amiconn | On ipod we simply don't know how |
| 20:38:05 | amiconn | On all other colour targets we do that |
| 20:38:10 | w1ll14m | hehehe, ll try to find some info..... |
| 20:38:19 | amiconn | On b&w / greyscale targets it wouldn't make sense |
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| 20:38:22 | jhMikeS | n1s: so just breaking the +v line is enough? maybe getting it done is the important bit atm |
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| 20:38:24 | w1ll14m | how did you get the clean LCD shutdown ? |
| 20:38:42 | amiconn | ? |
| 20:38:44 | camel_pe | hi, i have a mp4 model than i can`t find the firmware |
| 20:39:01 | camel_pe | can anybody help? |
| 20:39:44 | camel_pe | Supersonic SC-1029 |
| 20:39:55 | w1ll14m | amiconn: there was a commit which allowed a clean LCD shutdown... |
| 20:40:06 | w1ll14m | camel_pe what do you mean ? |
| 20:40:08 | camel_pe | very similar as the ipod |
| 20:40:33 | camel_pe | sorry, i`m looking for te firmware |
| 20:40:42 | jhMikeS | petur: is it up and running yet w/patch? |
| 20:40:43 | Llorean | That has nothing to do with Rockbox though. |
| 20:40:45 | w1ll14m | camel_pe: i think we c ant help you |
| 20:41:08 | camel_pe | ok |
| 20:41:24 | camel_pe | maybe you know a link .... |
| 20:41:39 | camel_pe | like a firmware database or something |
| 20:41:46 | amiconn | w1ll14m: Which target? |
| 20:42:44 | w1ll14m | amiconn: ipods |
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| 20:43:22 | petur | jhMikeS: patched version installed, will do a test later tonight |
| 20:43:49 | amiconn | w1ll14m: Surely not all of 'em. |
| 20:44:04 | camel_pe | tnx anyway |
| 20:44:09 | amiconn | Besides, isn't the G5 LCD kinda readable without backlight? |
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| 20:44:11 | * | jhMikeS is gonna try blasting loud bassy music at the player |
| 20:45:01 | w1ll14m | amiconn: true, but if you can add a option, i think it can save a huge mount of battery |
| 20:45:08 | amiconn | Nah |
| 20:45:40 | n1s | jhMikeS: yes, that is what I do, and it has worked nicely for several months :-) |
| 20:45:41 | amiconn | Colour LCDs draw _a bit_ more power than b&w ones, but compared to the backlight it's insignificant |
| 20:45:49 | amiconn | Orders of magnitude less. |
| 20:47:20 | Llorean | amiconn: At least the Nano is readable to me without BL, just fine |
| 20:47:35 | Llorean | With a monochrome color scheme, at least |
| 20:47:46 | jhMikeS | n1s: I do like that it doesn't put anything passive on the data lines to interfere. Only in the dc path. |
| 20:47:53 | hachi | my favorite electrical comparison is how much energy an LED draws versus the amount of energy 'lost' in a car battery over a given period of time |
| 20:48:08 | hachi | apparently the 'lost' energy outweighs the LED |
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| 20:50:01 | amiconn | Llorean: Ok, so nano too |
| 20:50:27 | amiconn | Iirc someone said the ipod color/photo lcd is of the "pitch black" type |
| 20:50:36 | amiconn | (i.e. not readable w/o backlight) |
| 20:53:12 | * | amiconn makes an educated guess. The lcd shutdown sequence on all older ipods is probably the same as for the equivalent standalone lcd controllers |
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| 20:53:56 | Big_Mac | how can I have vmware dl the source to a different folder then \\debian\user because supposedly I have the source but i can't access \\debian for the life of me |
| 20:54:02 | amiconn | This should help coding clean shutdown for ipod G1..G3, G4 grayscale, color/photo, and the minis |
| 20:54:41 | Mikachu | when i'm outdoors i can't tell if the backlight is on or not on my nano |
| 20:55:01 | * | amiconn wants to get rid of the "black line effect" on his mini G2 |
| 20:56:30 | Big_Mac | ? |
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| 21:01:47 | Big_Mac | Can I just cd to c: then go through the steps? |
| 21:03:40 | Llorean | Big_Mac: There is no C: from inside VMWare. It's a virtual computer, with its own drives, which is why you have to get to it across the network. |
| 21:04:47 | directhex | and vmware player doesn't allow mapped folders |
| 21:04:59 | directhex | you could pay cashpounds for vmware workstation, which does |
| 21:05:06 | directhex | or muck about with vmware sevrer, which is free |
| 21:07:52 | bluebrother | why not grab the source from inside the vmware using svn? |
| 21:08:05 | Big_Mac | Well then can some of you help me troubleshoot |
| 21:08:07 | Big_Mac | I did |
| 21:08:18 | Big_Mac | but I can't locate \\debian |
| 21:08:19 | bluebrother | and what was the problem? |
| 21:08:24 | Big_Mac | I have searched for it |
| 21:08:26 | Big_Mac | ran it |
| 21:08:31 | Big_Mac | typed it is explorer |
| 21:08:38 | directhex | what *precisely* are you trying to do? |
| 21:08:47 | bluebrother | and why do you need to access the network drive? |
| 21:09:00 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:09:10 | Big_Mac | I need to retrieve the zip I just made |
| 21:09:29 | bluebrother | ah. |
| 21:09:37 | directhex | if push comes to shove, you could ftp it somewhere |
| 21:09:43 | directhex | but i have no idea what's wrong |
| 21:09:58 | Big_Mac | Hmm what about you bluebrother |
| 21:10:55 | bluebrother | can't you just connect your player to the PC and tell vmware to map it? |
| 21:11:21 | bluebrother | I'm pretty sure the player can do this. |
| 21:11:31 | Big_Mac | I'm not sure |
| 21:11:46 | Big_Mac | could you explain how to do this or point me to a link that will tell me |
| 21:12:07 | BiptoN | has any thought been given to task #5636? |
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| 21:13:01 | directhex | Big_Mac, like i said, if your system is being freakish, you could try uploading your zip somewhere with FTP |
| 21:13:19 | bluebrother | connect the usb device, and use the usb menu from the vmware player |
| 21:13:39 | Big_Mac | how would I do that directhex? |
| 21:13:48 | bluebrother | I'm running linux natively atm so I can't look it up. I know there is some button for managing usb devices |
| 21:14:01 | directhex | i haven't the faintest idea what the vmware image looks like. i run real linux |
| 21:14:32 | Big_Mac | ok I will go plug in my ipod hold on |
| 21:14:32 | directhex | i use vmware workstation for work things |
| 21:15:00 | * | bluebrother just updates a w2k inside of a VirtualBox for playing |
| 21:17:01 | amiconn | bluebrother, Big_Mac: VMware player is able to pass through usb devices |
| 21:17:33 | n1s | Big_Mac: often a firewall on your windows machine can interfere with network access, mine did when I used the vm, in linux i don't need no stinkin sw firewall! :-P |
| 21:17:49 | amiconn | Just active the VM window, then plug the device and pass through should be automatic |
| 21:18:15 | amiconn | (at the first time it may take a while because the host will install several drivers) |
| 21:23:57 | Big_Mac | I will be switching to linux as soon as ubuntu supports my video card/ I can get it running |
| 21:24:10 | bluebrother | hmm. Can I make rsync to exclude folders from copying with additional files in the respecting folders? |
| 21:24:24 | * | bluebrother doesn't understand that ubuntu hype |
| 21:25:03 | Big_Mac | I like it and it was an easy segway |
| 21:25:18 | Big_Mac | What disto do you like? |
| 21:25:22 | directhex | bluebrother, it smells of debian, but has sensible defaults |
| 21:25:23 | Big_Mac | distro |
| 21:25:26 | Mikachu | you mean segue? |
| 21:25:40 | * | petur just installed VirtualBox and wonders what linux to install - the target is to one day switch around (run linux native and w2k in the box) |
| 21:25:43 | directhex | Mikachu, he was paid by sinclair inc to say segway instead |
| 21:25:43 | Big_Mac | yah I just spelled it phonetically |
| 21:25:45 | bluebrother | after trying a few I converted back to Redhat / Fedora |
| 21:26:13 | * | amiconn doesn't like rpm based distros |
| 21:26:16 | bluebrother | as it fits my needs best |
| 21:26:24 | directhex | amiconn, most sensible |
| 21:26:26 | Mikachu | petur: you won't get a straight answer out of any linux user :) |
| 21:26:32 | bluebrother | why not? I don't see any advantage for .deb |
| 21:26:49 | * | petur expected this :p |
| 21:27:01 | directhex | bluebrother, sensible dependency resolution from the ground up |
| 21:27:06 | amiconn | That has nothing to do with redhat itself, it's just that I don't like SuSE, and SuSE is rpm based |
| 21:27:10 | Mikachu | to be more exact, from a group of linux users |
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| 21:27:23 | bluebrother | rpm can do this too ... |
| 21:27:41 | directhex | bluebrother, no, it can't |
| 21:27:45 | bluebrother | I tried debian once, and ran into a hell of dependencies worse I ever got running rpm distros |
| 21:27:46 | Mikachu | the rpm tool itself has some problems |
| 21:27:51 | directhex | rpm's dependency mapping is idiotic |
| 21:27:56 | DataGhost | gentoo \o/ |
| 21:27:56 | directhex | or here's a good one |
| 21:27:59 | amiconn | This yast thing might be useful for beginners, but (1) it's very limited, and if you need to do something yast doesn't like, then it gets confused |
| 21:28:00 | directhex | jms@zuse:~$ rpm -qa blas |
| 21:28:01 | directhex | blas-3.0-20 |
| 21:28:01 | directhex | blas-3.0-20 |
| 21:28:09 | directhex | spot the 64-bit one in the above |
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| 21:28:21 | amiconn | (2) yast sometimes also confuses itself, and then refuses to install and/or update things |
| 21:28:23 | DataGhost | heh |
| 21:28:48 | bluebrother | yast is a fine tool to corrupt your manually made changes ;-) |
| 21:28:56 | directhex | yes, it is ¬_¬ |
| 21:29:07 | directhex | i dislike suse |
| 21:29:11 | amiconn | bluebrother: My experience is that manual changes will corrupt yast, not vice versa |
| 21:29:13 | bluebrother | directhex, I haven't used 64 bit machines yet, so no experience in that field |
| 21:29:39 | bluebrother | I stopped using suse years ago. |
| 21:29:46 | directhex | in the end, distros are chosen by what will be supported by the vendor or admin. |
| 21:29:55 | directhex | which is most cases means SLES or RHEL |
| 21:30:42 | bluebrother | at an institute at my uni they chose suse (but not SLES) because ... it isn't open (that was when Redhat Linux became Fedora, and they switched from RH to Suse) |
| 21:30:56 | directhex | or sometimes Rocks or SL |
| 21:30:57 | bluebrother | now Suse became OpenSuse and nobody even noticed! |
| 21:31:05 | bluebrother | :o |
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| 21:31:39 | directhex | RHEL is favoured by corps. Debian is favoured by systems administrators who want to do real work |
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| 21:31:46 | directhex | it's a shame there's no cross section of those two groups |
| 21:31:49 | * | ender` prefers gentoo |
| 21:32:10 | BiptoN | GENTOO all the way mistaer ;) |
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| 21:32:29 | * | bluebrother wants to try gentoo when free time increases |
| 21:32:40 | petur | and for a linux newbie? |
| 21:32:44 | * | amiconn never tried gentoo |
| 21:32:50 | BiptoN | ubuntu lol |
| 21:32:57 | amiconn | Somehow I don't like the idea of building everything from source |
| 21:33:03 | BiptoN | oh man |
| 21:33:04 | bluebrother | I'd say Fedora, Suse and Ubuntu are fine |
| 21:33:09 | directhex | petur, ubuntu! |
| 21:33:17 | BiptoN | after you dial in all your tweaks for gcc |
| 21:33:23 | desowin | <BiptoN> GENTOO all the way mistaer ;) <- seconded |
| 21:33:27 | BiptoN | your system is streamlined for your hardware |
| 21:33:34 | bluebrother | and after some time a new user who doesn't switch back to windows will find out himself what fits best |
| 21:33:48 | directhex | gentoo's a fallacy |
| 21:33:50 | bluebrother | there are binary packages for Gentoo |
| 21:33:53 | BiptoN | it cranks, it's faster, and less bloated |
| 21:33:57 | amiconn | For my 64 bit machine, I tried ubuntu and debian. The choice was simple: the ubuntu installer didn't even boot |
| 21:34:10 | Bagder | hehe |
| 21:34:10 | directhex | 99.9% of computer time is spent waiting for input |
| 21:34:13 | * | Bagder is a debian person |
| 21:34:22 | amiconn | (and I had to use debian unstable to make debian boot) |
| 21:34:22 | directhex | no -fomit-frame-pointer will change that |
| 21:34:23 | Mikachu | directhex: it's nice when the remaining 0.1% is fast though |
| 21:34:28 | directhex | and at any rate, gcc is pig slow as a compiler |
| 21:34:42 | directhex | if people cared about speed, they'd be building with icc or pathcc |
| 21:34:59 | Bagder | I doubt that |
| 21:35:09 | directhex | you tjhink? |
| 21:35:10 | Bagder | they're not as free, available or portable |
| 21:35:17 | bluebrother | no, people would buy faster computers :) |
| 21:35:42 | Bagder | heck, icc is even only available in RPM last time I checked |
| 21:36:03 | directhex | Bagder, not even proper rpms |
| 21:36:16 | bluebrother | hmm. How much space do I need for a basic testing install of gentoo? |
| 21:36:24 | BiptoN | yeah spending money is the opposite of opensource |
| 21:36:38 | directhex | icc is free if you don't have a job |
| 21:36:50 | Mikachu | BiptoN: you have your concepts a bit mixed up |
| 21:36:54 | directhex | and it's somewhat faster |
| 21:36:56 | BiptoN | bluebrother you can have a BASIC system with a few hundred Mb i think |
| 21:37:05 | Mikachu | i don't think it's that much faster for athlon-xp :) |
| 21:37:14 | directhex | Mikachu, you'd be surprised |
| 21:37:17 | bluebrother | hmm. Maybe that's worth a try. VirtualBox is for playing :) |
| 21:37:26 | BiptoN | they have benchmarks, google em |
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| 21:38:52 | directhex | Mikachu, and for athlon-xp, pgi is the compiler of choice |
| 21:40:13 | DataGhost | bluebrother basic system = stage3 tarbz2 of 110MB (not sure about expanded but it contains mostly binaries) and the portage tree is 183MB |
| 21:40:38 | DataGhost | if you are a little capable with linux and the commandline you can get a manually-installed working system under 30 minutes |
| 21:40:50 | DataGhost | and it seems that there is an installer but I haven't ever tried it :) |
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| 21:41:06 | bluebrother | ok, let's try (using linux since a couple of years) |
| 21:41:07 | BiptoN | the installers lack |
| 21:41:14 | Mikachu | the graphical installers are for experienced users :) |
| 21:41:20 | DataGhost | lol |
| 21:41:21 | directhex | i just don't see the purpose of gentoo beyond a few hours' tinkering followed by 'haha it's a good thing linux has moved on from this' |
| 21:41:33 | bluebrother | and the manual install is to keep newbies away? ;-) |
| 21:41:38 | BiptoN | better to do one stage3 or 2 |
| 21:41:48 | DataGhost | BiptoN the manual only lets you do stage3 nowadays |
| 21:41:54 | DataGhost | you can easily do stage1 but from a working stage3 |
| 21:42:00 | DataGhost | just bootstrap and remerge system |
| 21:42:02 | ender` | i've set up gentoo on quite a few servers. in my experience it's easier to maintain than debian |
| 21:42:08 | DataGhost | far easier |
| 21:42:12 | DataGhost | i have tried debian after gentoo |
| 21:42:18 | BiptoN | indeed |
| 21:42:27 | DataGhost | it was eh... hell. and now that it's working I stopped touching that debian thing |
| 21:42:28 | Bagder | well of course you gentoo zealots would say that |
| 21:42:39 | DataGhost | I have actually tried it now Bagder :P |
| 21:42:42 | Mikachu | that's why i said you wouldn't get a straight answer from anyone earlier :) |
| 21:42:43 | Bagder | and emacs is the better editor |
| 21:42:54 | Bagder | :-O |
| 21:42:56 | directhex | ender`, doesn't really make that much difference post-install. i'm building our next-gen infrastructure at work because sarge is ancient and etch is unreleased |
| 21:43:00 | BiptoN | freebsd is a very sweet OS also, if it had jackd i think i'd be back on it instead |
| 21:43:01 | DataGhost | then someone shouts 'vi(m)!!1' |
| 21:43:04 | directhex | Bagder, lies. nano! |
| 21:43:05 | ender` | i started with slackware, moved to debian (and used it for a long time), then tried gentoo once, used it at home for a while, then slowly started moving my debian boxes to gentoo |
| 21:43:08 | DataGhost | and then I whisper 'nano' and run |
| 21:43:12 | DataGhost | oh. directhex did |
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| 21:43:27 | DataGhost | I have ultraedit for code :P |
| 21:43:28 | directhex | DataGhost, if only i were kidding :p |
| 21:43:30 | bluebrother | vim! vim! |
| 21:43:34 | Mikachu | ender`: "slowly" referring to the install process? ;) |
| 21:43:34 | bluebrother | :o |
| 21:43:48 | ender` | Mikachu: no :) |
| 21:44:09 | * | amiconn still didn't find a linux editor he does like |
| 21:44:24 | bluebrother | kate is nice |
| 21:44:32 | ender` | i still have a few debian boxes left, most of them are either too slow to bother installing gentoo on, or they're needed too much |
| 21:44:32 | DataGhost | same, so I'm using nano on the cli and ultraedit in windows |
| 21:44:33 | amiconn | No kde please |
| 21:44:38 | LinusN | Slasheri: do you intend to fix the backlight issues? |
| 21:44:41 | DataGhost | else it's just what's easily found in my GUI |
| 21:44:42 | amiconn | And no text mode editors either |
| 21:44:59 | bluebrother | you don't need to run kde for running a program building on kdelibs |
| 21:44:59 | directhex | ender says debian's for dependable boxes! you heard it here first! |
| 21:45:06 | DataGhost | ultraedit is really nice, too bad there is no linux port, afaik |
| 21:45:11 | directhex | bluebrother, you just need a week of compile time |
| 21:45:12 | Mikachu | bluebrother: but then it will take 5 minutes to start it |
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| 21:45:25 | Mikachu | DataGhost: is it free? |
| 21:45:26 | DataGhost | heh directhex? |
| 21:45:41 | ender` | directhex: i've got a debian box with >500 days uptime (it's intranet and not important security-wise) |
| 21:45:42 | amiconn | bluebrother: I know |
| 21:45:45 | DataGhost | I can *REBUILD* my entire gentoo system in under 15 hours... where did you get that week? 386? :P |
| 21:45:49 | * | bluebrother likes kde better than gnome |
| 21:45:51 | * | Mikachu sees register/buy links on the page and closes it |
| 21:45:55 | DataGhost | Mikachu eh... heh. for me it is :P |
| 21:46:01 | * | DataGhost looks innocent |
| 21:46:05 | ender` | DataGhost: you need whole 15 hours? ;) |
| 21:46:15 | amiconn | Isn't kate the editor which insists on changing text by itself (i.e. changing iso8859-1 into utf-8)= |
| 21:46:16 | Mikachu | you don't get to say something is good if you don't think it's worth paying for ;) |
| 21:46:18 | DataGhost | that's to recompile the entire system, including X, XGL and KDE |
| 21:46:24 | * | LinusN reminds people about the channel topic |
| 21:46:41 | Mikachu | does this count as discussion? |
| 21:46:42 | DataGhost | well Mikachu I just 'forgot' to pay and never remembered that since I cracked the nagscreen out:P |
| 21:46:53 | * | LinusN is old and grumpy |
| 21:46:56 | DataGhost | I will do that some time |
| 21:46:59 | * | directhex reminds people that anyone who disagrees with him is wrong |
| 21:47:09 | DataGhost | for now... I'll not go ontopic but rather I'll continue working again |
| 21:47:31 | Mikachu | i do all my editing in text_editor.rock |
| 21:47:59 | ender` | speaking of rockbox, what's the status of APEv2 tags on mp3 files? |
| 21:48:06 | DataGhost | I have to convert 1 access database into another access database with different relations, tables, layouts etc... and autonumbers.. and they can NOT be reset... and I can't change the fieldtype unless I trash the relationships... for 45 tables. so. I'll be back to work again :P |
| 21:48:24 | directhex | can anyone suggest a tool i can use to slice some bad frames off the end of an mp3? |
| 21:48:31 | DataGhost | hexedit :P |
| 21:48:36 | Mikachu | ftrunc();? |
| 21:48:54 | * | Mikachu invents function names apparently |
| 21:49:38 | LinusN | directhex: http://hem.bredband.net/isrmat/desc.htm |
| 21:49:39 | amiconn | DataGhost: Why not use a hex editor for your access task? ;) |
| 21:50:25 | DataGhost | because it involves moving and remodeling about 20000 rows? into various tables and creating relationships between them.. and queries are easier |
| 21:50:26 | LinusN | directhex: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=31539 |
| 21:50:38 | DataGhost | well... once you find out all the quirks |
| 21:50:47 | w1ll14m | god damn it..... |
| 21:51:44 | w1ll14m | the hospital cut a whole in my thumb.... but it doesn't seems so good right now... i'm affraid that's going to be a surgery :( |
| 21:52:00 | DataGhost | hm. that might be my fault |
| 21:52:07 | DataGhost | since the database I'm building is for a hospital :P |
| 21:52:18 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 21:52:50 | w1ll14m | no they've cut a hole in it because the internal infection .. the hole is 1/2 centimeters deep... and hurts like hell.... |
| 21:53:19 | directhex | my rat had something similar |
| 21:53:23 | Mikachu | haha |
| 21:53:28 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 21:53:28 | perl|work | directhex |
| 21:53:29 | perl|work | http://mpesch3.de1.cc/mp3dc.html |
| 21:54:23 | * | bluebrother is amazed by the gentoo installer bootup gui screen |
| 21:54:56 | Mikachu | when i tried the gui installer, it started X in 640x480 but the window was larger than that |
| 21:55:03 | Mikachu | nice stuff |
| 21:57:48 | perl|work | http://www.willwap.co.uk/Programs/vbrfix.php#DL |
| 21:57:55 | perl|work | nice little soft as well |
| 21:59:31 | HardDisk_WP | n8 |
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| 22:00:20 | directhex | perl|work, that one works in wine. woo |
| 22:01:21 | perl|work | yeah |
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| 22:27:10 | * | w1ll14m fears for tomorrow..... |
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| 22:30:15 | argonel | when they have to cut a larger hole? |
| 22:30:24 | DataGhost | they'll h4x0r his entire finger |
| 22:30:27 | DataGhost | off his hand :P |
| 22:30:39 | w1ll14m | i hope not :) |
| 22:30:46 | DataGhost | with a rusty axe |
| 22:30:51 | w1ll14m | whahaha ;) |
| 22:31:16 | w1ll14m | as the hospital said it was a bad infection...... |
| 22:31:40 | w1ll14m | and i've got a look into that hole, it looks bad....... |
| 22:31:57 | w1ll14m | because i'd need to clean it..... |
| 22:32:06 | argonel | well, keep washing it out with sulphuric acid, you'll be fine |
| 22:32:06 | DataGhost | with pure alcohol! >:) |
| 22:32:16 | w1ll14m | :| |
| 22:32:28 | DataGhost | hehe you're really feeling comfortable now, aren't you? |
| 22:32:32 | DataGhost | I'd better get back to work :P |
| 22:32:37 | w1ll14m | yeh indeed ;) |
| 22:32:54 | w1ll14m | whahaha ork at this hour of the night ? |
| 22:33:12 | DataGhost | I have to fix that database before 1pm tomorrow |
| 22:33:19 | w1ll14m | wtf :\ |
| 22:33:27 | w1ll14m | what's wrong with it ? |
| 22:33:35 | Mikachu | it's not fixed yet |
| 22:33:42 | DataGhost | it needs to be filled, with information from a completely different database |
| 22:33:47 | DataGhost | I was supposed to do that yesterday, so I did |
| 22:33:50 | DataGhost | it was a hell of a job |
| 22:33:56 | w1ll14m | ahh ok |
| 22:34:02 | w1ll14m | what hospital ? |
| 22:34:13 | DataGhost | only later they told me I didn't have to make some random stuff up... I had to use a pre-existing database -_- which needs to be adjusted |
| 22:34:22 | DataGhost | eeh. 'Zorgvliet' hospital.. it's fictional, fyi :D |
| 22:34:30 | w1ll14m | lol that suxx indeed ... |
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| 22:34:40 | w1ll14m | never heard of it ;) |
| 22:34:58 | DataGhost | it's something for school/uni |
| 22:35:14 | w1ll14m | ahh ok ;) |
| 22:35:16 | DataGhost | whatever you like to call it |
| 22:35:21 | w1ll14m | whahaha ;) |
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| 22:40:33 | azrael1 | How would one go about conversion from a macpod to a winpod from within linux? |
| 22:40:55 | Mikachu | mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sdX2 |
| 22:41:23 | azrael1 | No need to tell the firmware that the data partition changed? |
| 22:41:45 | Llorean | azrael1: You need the new MBR as well |
| 22:42:05 | DataGhost | it's described in the ipodlinux wiki, 5.5G page |
| 22:42:15 | DataGhost | eh. you might even have to look into the page history |
| 22:42:23 | DataGhost | since ipodpatcher can now patch macpods so the conversion is obsolete :P |
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| 22:42:34 | DataGhost | not sure if that information was replaced or not |
| 22:42:43 | Llorean | DataGhost: We do have an installation from OSX page, from which most of the linux equivalents can be extrapolated. |
| 22:43:04 | DataGhost | well does that include macpod->winpod conversion with mbr and filesystems? |
| 22:43:11 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 22:43:13 | DataGhost | because I haven't really looked into those |
| 22:43:14 | DataGhost | ah. |
| 22:43:24 | DataGhost | well, because he was asking here, I falsely assumed that he'd already read that, too |
| 22:43:26 | Llorean | It's everything necessary to install Rockbox on a Macpod |
| 22:43:38 | Llorean | Which includes converting it to Winpod, but it assumes you're on OSX. |
| 22:43:48 | azrael1 | OK, so ipodpatcher will get the bootlaoder, and mkfs.vfat will reformat the partiton, and then it'd be good? |
| 22:45:01 | Llorean | Actually, yeah, it probably will be I guess. |
| 22:45:14 | Llorean | I don't know if the new iPodPatcher means you just need to format the disk partition. |
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| 23:03:49 | Pajama-B | Are builds from around November 13th to the 22nd for the h100 still available somewhere? |
| 23:04:18 | Bagder | nope |
| 23:04:22 | Bagder | only in SVN |
| 23:04:27 | desowin | you can always checkout previous revision |
| 23:04:46 | NJoin | linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) |
| 23:05:16 | directhex | or you could risk retrieving a copy from the dragon's cave of eternal doom |
| 23:06:45 | | Nick Everybody is now known as Everybody|away (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) |
| 23:08:24 | hachi | hey Everybody |
| 23:08:30 | | Quit Moo_ (SendQ exceeded) |
| 23:08:30 | hachi | it's doctor nick |
| 23:08:32 | TrueJournals | lol |
| 23:09:02 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:10:20 | | Nick w1ll14m is now known as w1ll14m_ (n=w1ll14m@84-104-81-208.cable.quicknet.nl) |
| 23:10:31 | w1ll14m_ | gotta sleep, cya you later guys :) |
| 23:10:38 | MonkeyTamer | nite |
| 23:10:44 | w1ll14m_ | thanx ;) |
| 23:11:52 | midgey | Bagder: what did this mean: A Project Manager has denied the request pending for the following |
| 23:11:53 | midgey | task: |
| 23:12:09 | Bagder | I denied the re-opening of that task |
| 23:12:16 | midgey | who reopened it? |
| 23:12:17 | Bagder | as was requested by a user |
| 23:12:24 | midgey | strange... |
| 23:12:38 | Bagder | check the history tab |
| 23:12:41 | midgey | did they not notice the "accepted" part |
| 23:12:49 | Bagder | he did |
| 23:12:52 | Bagder | but mentioned a bug |
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| 23:13:22 | Bagder | and I'd rather then see that in a separate bug report |
| 23:13:42 | midgey | eh its not really a bug, it basically saying that rockboy's sound isnt very good |
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| 23:13:48 | midgey | unless im misunderstanding |
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| 23:13:52 | Bagder | perhaps |
| 23:14:02 | Bagder | still not a good reason to re-open it |
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| 23:14:23 | midgey | i didnt know users could request for a task to be reopened, i thought only admins and devs could |
| 23:14:33 | Bagder | then can only request it |
| 23:14:37 | Bagder | they can't actually do it |
| 23:14:41 | midgey | ah |
| 23:15:11 | Llorean | Rockboy's sound is bad on pretty much all targets anyway, isn't it? |
| 23:15:19 | Llorean | It's unrelated to that task at all. |
| 23:15:35 | midgey | even gigabeat users have reported bad sound, i think |
| 23:15:41 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 23:15:46 | Llorean | It sounds pretty horrible on mine. ;) |
| 23:16:05 | Llorean | That reminds me, test invadrox |
| 23:17:28 | Llorean | midgey: I cannot reproduce #6604 |
| 23:17:31 | Llorean | 6605 |
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| 23:19:08 | midgey | ok, if you think you should close it, go ahead |
| 23:19:40 | Llorean | I'll give them a chance to respond, and if they don't within a day, I will. |
| 23:20:17 | perl|work | oh that invadrox error |
| 23:20:32 | perl|work | i could do it with mine |
| 23:20:38 | perl|work | lcd power off - on |
| 23:20:42 | Llorean | perl|work: "do it" as in "have the problem"? |
| 23:20:43 | perl|work | blacklight - 10 sec |
| 23:20:49 | perl|work | run the game |
| 23:20:51 | perl|work | quit it |
| 23:20:55 | perl|work | wait for backlight |
| 23:20:57 | perl|work | to go off |
| 23:21:03 | perl|work | and its dead |
| 23:21:13 | Llorean | Well that's because the LCD Power Off is broken. |
| 23:21:19 | Llorean | It screws up the remote as well. |
| 23:21:45 | perl|work | aha |
| 23:21:48 | midgey | perhaps close that report and file a new one? |
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| 23:22:18 | joshua_ | okay, I'm back to hacking on my iPod Lua stuffs. I'm using the rockbox crt0.S, and all of the sudden (?) I've found that only the coprocessor is running, and that the main CPU doens't come online |
| 23:24:09 | perl|work | how does it screw the remote? |
| 23:24:09 | joshua_ | is there a datasheet for the pp5020 available? |
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| 23:25:10 | Llorean | midgey: I've closed it with 'later' |
| 23:25:18 | midgey | ok |
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| 23:35:31 | linuxstb_ | joshua_: No datasheets... |
| 23:37:01 | joshua_ | darn |
| 23:38:04 | argonel | any news on the datasheet for the as3514? |
| 23:43:01 | dan_a | Oooh, I like idea of the Root Menu work |
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| 23:46:51 | TrueJournals | dan_a: ? |
| 23:47:21 | dan_a | TrueJournals: FS #6630, and IRC discussion earlier |
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| 23:49:28 | TrueJournals | dan_a: so... what exactly does it do? The description isn't very specific |
| 23:51:52 | dan_a | TrueJournals: It means that there is a top level menu. At the moment, the top level is either the browser, the WPS, recording, radio or the main menu. This adds a level above that which has a menu pointing to all those things |
| 23:52:07 | TrueJournals | That's a great idea |
| 23:52:18 | bluebrother | hmm, shouldn't the startup screen configuration in "Display" instead of "system"? |
| 23:52:26 | TrueJournals | Would make everything much easier to navigate... |
| 23:52:57 | | Quit iPod4G_noob ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") |
| 23:53:12 | * | TrueJournals downloads it to include in his build... |
| 23:53:35 | directhex | i like the "larger icons for larger screens" discussion from around the same time. it'd be neat to have visual cues beyond just big text menus |
| 23:53:36 | dan_a | I'm just doing a test build now. |
| 23:54:12 | Llorean | While I like the file browser being the 'main' screen, a Main Menu makes it more like a firmware. A file browser is a bit more of an operating system thing |
| 23:54:42 | directhex | Llorean, is that a compliment or not? |
| 23:55:00 | TrueJournals | I was wondering the same thing... :-p |
| 23:55:10 | Llorean | It's really neither. |
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| 23:55:25 | Llorean | It's a statement. "The patch is not right for me, but I think it's the best for Rockbox and its users" |
| 23:55:26 | dan_a | I don't think that going from one mode to another is intuitive at the moment - the root menu will really help with that |
| 23:56:43 | TrueJournals | I see what Llorean means.. and since rockbox is firmware... and not an operating system, the patch is definantly a good idea... |
| 23:58:07 | directhex | so how long until someone starts selling real hardware running rockbox? :p |
| 23:58:39 | TrueJournals | I remember reading in the forums about one company that wanted to sell an MP3 player with rockbox pre-installed... |
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