| 00:02:38 | MonkeyTamer | 6630 still needs an update |
| 00:02:58 | MonkeyTamer | there's a glitch with exiting to the root menu after playing music |
| 00:03:38 | * | MonkeyTamer wonders if JdGordon fixed that or not |
| 00:03:57 | directhex | i'm not sure rockbox is quite right at this moment in time for a general purpose off the shelf player for joe average. then again, considering how shit the average mp3 player is, i might be wrong |
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| 00:04:27 | Llorean | What makes it 'not right'? |
| 00:04:27 | directhex | there's really not an enormous amount of tweaking that'd be needed for a hardware player to carve out a niche though |
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| 00:04:29 | mofonyx | why does rockbox have problems charging when battery is 0? |
| 00:04:35 | mofonyx | i mean, mine keeps rebooting |
| 00:04:42 | mofonyx | :( |
| 00:04:52 | MonkeyTamer | remember the new mindset: the best mp3 player is the one that sucks the least |
| 00:05:02 | directhex | Llorean, things joe average is likely to have and use, like WMA files |
| 00:05:07 | mofonyx | any solutions? |
| 00:05:37 | Llorean | directhex: That's a vague statement. What other 'things' besides WMA support, which frankly isn't *that* common anyway. |
| 00:06:45 | MonkeyTamer | blasted usb device not recognized message |
| 00:07:31 | mofonyx | bah :s |
| 00:07:42 | MonkeyTamer | doesn't charge? |
| 00:07:54 | mofonyx | not to say it doesn't charge |
| 00:08:04 | mofonyx | when mine is charging from nil battery, it just keeps rebooting itself |
| 00:08:34 | MonkeyTamer | on what dap? |
| 00:08:37 | mofonyx | or when i charge it at all! it keeps rebooting |
| 00:08:41 | mofonyx | iPod 4G Photo. |
| 00:08:50 | MonkeyTamer | I have the same.. |
| 00:08:54 | mofonyx | like right now, it's charging, and it's rebooting itself over and over again |
| 00:08:58 | MonkeyTamer | when have you last updated? |
| 00:08:59 | directhex | Llorean, album art support, even better without needing to resize things manually in advance to suit a theme? more obvious visual cues, such as icons for menu entries? the root menu's in progress already thankfully |
| 00:09:25 | mofonyx | im not sure |
| 00:09:27 | mofonyx | lemme check |
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| 00:09:34 | directhex | Llorean, and wma is horrifyingly common - people almost never change defauls from when their computer is shipped, which means the default is windows media player set to use wma for output |
| 00:09:44 | MonkeyTamer | the root menu is fairly intuitive, and may be fixed rather soon |
| 00:10:14 | directhex | a picture's worth a thousand words, so the entire menu system could be replaced by a single icon, right? ;) |
| 00:10:17 | MonkeyTamer | according to JdGordan however, he needed to add some code for redrawing, whatever that means ;) |
| 00:10:30 | TrueJournals | gotta go |
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| 00:10:52 | mofonyx | MonkeyTamer : rockbox-ipodcolor-20070110 |
| 00:11:05 | MonkeyTamer | update that |
| 00:11:15 | mofonyx | can't, it's rebooting itself silly right now :P |
| 00:11:20 | MonkeyTamer | oh |
| 00:11:24 | MonkeyTamer | connect with usb |
| 00:11:33 | mofonyx | i wonder why it does that. hmm |
| 00:11:40 | MonkeyTamer | are you using the dc? |
| 00:11:54 | mofonyx | if i can get it to suddenly fail to load rockbox, then it boots into apple OS and gives me a *charging* screen |
| 00:11:55 | MonkeyTamer | er... wall charger? |
| 00:11:58 | webguest60 | Hi all, does anyone know where I can get a build for a 4G Photo iPod that doesn't freeze during playback? I've read that it should be fixed with a kernel_on_cop 8 patch, but I have no idea where to find the patches or other builds. |
| 00:12:02 | mofonyx | yeah, wall |
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| 00:12:09 | MonkeyTamer | just switch on hold |
| 00:12:45 | mofonyx | oh shit |
| 00:12:46 | midgey | webguest60: patches are in the tracer, side the menu item that says patches on the left menu |
| 00:12:49 | mofonyx | is that how you load original firmware? |
| 00:12:50 | MonkeyTamer | it's all on the tracker |
| 00:12:54 | MonkeyTamer | yes |
| 00:13:06 | midgey | webguest60: and there's an unsupported build forum |
| 00:13:19 | mofonyx | i'll get it updated |
| 00:13:21 | midgey | see what patches they have applied to each build |
| 00:13:23 | MonkeyTamer | or if you're daring, try compiling yourself ;) |
| 00:14:01 | MonkeyTamer | mofonyx: that should help, as of 02/04/07, there had been a commit for improved detection of the charger |
| 00:14:29 | Llorean | directhex: Firstly, how do icons provide better visual cues than *words* which actually mean something? |
| 00:15:06 | webguest60 | if there a repository for unsupported builds? or does everyone just compile in patches themselves? |
| 00:15:25 | MonkeyTamer | the unsupported build page houses all of said builds |
| 00:15:32 | MonkeyTamer | you can try pijulius |
| 00:15:41 | MonkeyTamer | or, try the wiki to learn to compile |
| 00:15:43 | midgey | webguest60: i told you, there's an unsupported builds section in the forum |
| 00:17:01 | Llorean | directhex: Secondly, I think almost anyone with enough brains to _install_ Rockbox probably is able to change their encoder to do MP3. Remember this isn't something that's getting shipped to people. |
| 00:17:22 | Llorean | The most common format out there is still MP3, followed by AAC I'd imagine thanks to iTunes and the iPod, and their defaults. |
| 00:17:49 | webguest60 | Thanks.. just going over to take a look. |
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| 00:19:06 | directhex | Llorean, i'm pretty sure i was hypothesizing over a player which would be shipped to people. at which point the average user IQ drops like a stone |
| 00:20:12 | Llorean | directhex: You said it wasn't right for a general purpose off the shelf player for joe average. It sounded like the context was more intended as the general-purposesness of it. |
| 00:20:46 | Llorean | directhex: Anyway, for off the shelf players, they *always* come with a preferred method of transferring your CDs, so saying it lacks WMA support is somewhat silly in that context too. |
| 00:22:00 | Llorean | You were talking about it 'not being right' for users, I don't see how lacking Album Art and WMA make it not right. |
| 00:22:18 | Llorean | I thought you meant something about its actual functionality was wrong, rather than 'It doesn't have enough shiny' |
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| 00:26:36 | directhex | Llorean, the functionality's pretty much spot on. but the sad problem is, you can have the most compelling feature set in the world - it won't be able to compete with teh shiny |
| 00:26:53 | directhex | just look at the karma |
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| 00:27:53 | Llorean | People actually do buy things for functionality occasionally, you know. |
| 00:28:12 | Llorean | Otherwise there wouldn't be a market for other MP3 players at all. |
| 00:28:34 | * | Llorean shrugs |
| 00:28:43 | * | dan_a only bought the Sansa because it looks very sexy |
| 00:29:03 | MonkeyTamer | lol |
| 00:29:39 | MonkeyTamer | well, at least you admit it |
| 00:31:27 | Llorean | I wanted it once we got Rockbox's recording functions working on it. |
| 00:31:33 | directhex | Llorean, apple had over 80% of the hard disk player market in 2004. i think by Q3 2005 it was around 75% |
| 00:31:35 | Llorean | get |
| 00:31:58 | Llorean | directhex: Because it's fashionable, yes. |
| 00:32:22 | Llorean | But there's absolutely no sense in trying to do better than Apple at what Apple already does exceedingly well. |
| 00:32:35 | Llorean | You don't try to compete with someone who has a strong monopoly, you go and find another market. |
| 00:32:40 | MonkeyTamer | they sure know how to market that sucker |
| 00:33:07 | Llorean | No matter how shiny Rockbox ever became, it wouldn't be able to work with iTunes. Or Rhapsody, or any of the others for that matter. |
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| 00:33:22 | dan_a | The Apple OF is also *very* intuitive |
| 00:33:42 | Llorean | dan_a: See, I didn't find it so when I first used it. |
| 00:34:20 | Llorean | I kept trying to use the left and right arrows too much. |
| 00:34:45 | directhex | Llorean, never? add in support for external codec blobs, allowing foocompany to include wmadrm.codec with their rockbox-based player. it's not pretty, sure, but it's conceivable. |
| 00:34:50 | dan_a | Llorean: I could use it out of the box. It took me much longer to start getting to grips with Rockbox |
| 00:35:19 | Llorean | directhex: It wouldn't be doable with the GPL. |
| 00:35:43 | directhex | Llorean, not with static linking, no. |
| 00:35:52 | Llorean | dan_a: I was used to things that had buttons that actually do what they say. It took me forever (relatively speaking) to learn that Menu was 'back' |
| 00:37:15 | Llorean | directhex: I don't believe the GPL stipulates that it only applies to statically linked code. |
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| 00:37:50 | dan_a | Llorean: Now I'm used to Rockbox, I agree with you. However, as the first MP3 player I'd used, I was impressed at how quickly I picked it up. |
| 00:37:51 | bluebrother | hmm. Someone else experiencing settings not getting saved when roloing? |
| 00:37:52 | Mikachu | if they distribute a wmadrm.codec, they might not be allowed to distribute rockbox, or any other gpl product |
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| 00:38:25 | Llorean | dan_a: I can see it under a 'first MP3 player' situation, but I'm a bit obsessive compulsive (I'm diagnosed with something that includes it) so I have a hard time with buttons not doing what they seem like they should. |
| 00:40:20 | petur | duh... could it be VirtualBox doesn't run on W2K? |
| 00:40:43 | MonkeyTamer | I find navigation to be more convenient on Rockbox personally |
| 00:41:00 | directhex | Mikachu, how about we use the gigabeat as an example? it runs linux, and it's the poster child for wma drm |
| 00:41:01 | MonkeyTamer | it's a lot easier to switch b/t music and other tasks |
| 00:41:03 | bluebrother | hehe ... should I try installing VirtualBox on w2k running inside of a VirtualBox? |
| 00:41:20 | Mikachu | directhex: all i know was in that statement :) |
| 00:41:28 | directhex | Mikachu, there are thousands of projects combining gpl and non-gpl codes, as long as it's done within fairly well defined parameters |
| 00:41:50 | petur | I get an error about not finding an entry point in ntdll.dll :( |
| 00:41:55 | Mikachu | i know of some, but the binaries are illegal to distribute |
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| 00:43:28 | directhex | Mikachu, which binaries? is it illegal to run closed source apps on a linux kernel? |
| 00:44:00 | Mikachu | no, of course not |
| 00:44:00 | dan_a | I think it could be argued that wmadrm.codec would not be derived from Rockbox. wmadrm.codec would be a file, so distributing a Rockbox binary and that together would be "mere aggregation" |
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| 00:44:37 | Mikachu | if all they do is port something existing to the rockbox api, it wouldn't be derived |
| 00:45:01 | Llorean | Well, not right now, because right now it'd be statically linked. |
| 00:45:27 | Llorean | The way things stand, it would have to be derivative of Rockbox, right? |
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| 00:45:35 | directhex | Llorean, at this moment in time? yes |
| 00:45:36 | Mikachu | it's hardly hard to write a codec that doesn't use any rockbox lib functions, only plugin api |
| 00:45:40 | Mikachu | i mean codec api |
| 00:45:57 | Llorean | But that also requires a change in the desires of the Rockbox project. |
| 00:45:59 | Mikachu | static linking means you take gpl'd object code and put in your binary |
| 00:46:08 | Mikachu | er, you know what i mean |
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| 00:46:38 | Llorean | You'd have to make significant changes just to be *able* to jump through the hoops |
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| 00:50:57 | Soul-Slayer | barrywardell: Has the recent SVN changed fixed your RockBoy trouble? |
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| 00:53:22 | * | amiconn thinks that rockbox shouldn't even try to support drm |
| 00:53:47 | * | Mikachu agrees |
| 00:53:52 | * | Llorean thirds the matter. |
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| 00:54:23 | * | markun doesn't want to go there either |
| 00:54:55 | barrywardell | Soul-Slayer: the most recent patch on the tracker did. I haven't tested SVN but I think it was more or less the same |
| 00:55:01 | barrywardell | so probably |
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| 00:57:01 | amiconn | Supporting non-drm wma is different, imho. I think we should try to add that, for several reasons |
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| 00:58:05 | amiconn | (1) it would complete support for all of-supported formats on the irivers |
| 00:58:35 | Llorean | I agree as well with that. |
| 00:58:41 | amiconn | (2) wma on ipod sounds like something apple *never* intended to happen |
| 00:59:14 | directhex | i don't think the rockbox project should try to support drm. but if hypothetically $foocompany were building a hardware player based on rockbox, it would be a desirable feature for their firmware |
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| 00:59:31 | directhex | amiconn, is (2) a long version of 'screw apple'? |
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| 00:59:35 | Llorean | directhex: Even Apple is saying that DRM may not be in our future any more. |
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| 01:00:50 | directhex | Llorean, that's posturing for their current legal issues in scandinavia. the big labels will never give up on drm |
| 01:00:51 | amiconn | directhex: Yes, but if they want drm, they shouldn't be allowed to use rockbox, never |
| 01:01:00 | perldiver | see them dropping drm and the prices going up, $30/CD and $3/mp3 |
| 01:01:04 | amiconn | directhex: No, (2) is just an idea of fun |
| 01:01:46 | amiconn | (3) wma specs aren't open, but I guess there are quite some wma files out there - and it's at least a more efficient format than mp3 (considering quality vs. compression) |
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| 01:01:56 | markun | perldiver: why would CD prices go up? |
| 01:02:29 | Llorean | directhex: Yeah, but that's the labels, not Apple. |
| 01:02:39 | perldiver | RIAA just told today (after Steve's spech btw) that the CD prices are low |
| 01:02:46 | perldiver | speech* |
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| 01:02:58 | Llorean | Yeah, RIAA said CDs should've been $33 in 1998. |
| 01:03:01 | directhex | perldiver, they've been complaining for years that cd prices are too low |
| 01:03:06 | Mikachu | they say lots of fun things |
| 01:03:18 | perldiver | drm dropping is a good reason to finally up them |
| 01:03:19 | amiconn | The problem with drm is that it only annoys customers, while it doesn't have the desired effect |
| 01:03:20 | perldiver | dont you think |
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| 01:03:36 | directhex | amiconn, that's not true. drm saves me money! |
| 01:03:41 | amiconn | ??? |
| 01:03:54 | directhex | amiconn, i don't buy drm'd discs or drm'd files! |
| 01:03:56 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: thanks for fixing my errors last night.. I was too tired to remember to check the table :p |
| 01:04:04 | directhex | amiconn, it's slashed the money i spend on music |
| 01:04:11 | amiconn | directhex: Ahaha, looking at it this way... |
| 01:04:41 | JdGordon | I dont know why but my h300 would still start with the recording statusbar... but maybe its a flushing problem and not rockbox.. because even with that it still shows it |
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| 01:05:10 | Llorean | directhex: But Apple still has stated openly now that if the 4 major companies allow them to sell music DRM free, they will. I'm pretty sure that's an honest statement since they'd receive hell if they were ever forced to stand up for it, and backed down. |
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| 01:05:40 | perldiver | Llorean yes why not, for $3 per 128kbps file |
| 01:05:46 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: np. I think something's going on that should be looked into then. It should really only be set by recording_screen imo. |
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| 01:06:09 | Llorean | perldiver: I don't think Apple would raise the prices. But the RIAA labels might try to demand higher prices. |
| 01:06:20 | perldiver | exactly |
| 01:06:56 | directhex | Llorean, the big labels have a far weaker grip in .uk than in .us, yet acts which sell drm-free elsewhere have apple drm applied automatically on itms. so i'm not convinced at their sincerity |
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| 01:07:30 | amiconn | Why would dropping drm cause the prices to rise? |
| 01:07:30 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I'm not really sure how the H300 should behave differenly than my H120 in that regard either. hmmm... |
| 01:07:31 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: shouldnt that and the radio screen version of that be in thier respective files and not in global_status? |
| 01:08:01 | amiconn | Are cd prices lower now than they were before "copy protected" CDs were introduced? surely they weren't |
| 01:08:03 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: it shouldnt.. i think my computer may have been playing up and not actually transferring the whole file... |
| 01:08:08 | Llorean | directhex: Everything on iTMS has DRM on it, though, if it's purchased content. They probably didn't even bother with an infrastructure for DRM-free purchases. |
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| 01:08:16 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I'm thinking it's really part of a global state that should be readilty available |
| 01:08:34 | devilsadvocate | the real reason why jobs wants to remove drm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6338603.stm |
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| 01:09:52 | perldiver | lol |
| 01:09:54 | devilsadvocate | there is always a caych, nothings for free, except rockbox :-) |
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| 01:10:33 | Llorean | Was it really worth the theatrics of going through the web client. Is someone in here afraid to simply speak with their own voice? |
| 01:11:13 | Llorean | Anyway, considering how often DRM gets cracked, I think they will eventually realize it's a losing game. I don't expect it to happen for another decade or so though. |
| 01:11:13 | directhex | i have no objections to people thinking i'm an arrogant opinionated arse |
| 01:11:33 | jhMikeS | I also want to kill function calls as much as possible to check these basic global states and save some code and cycles. Also it exposes it all in a well defined manner. We could make all settings global variables not contained in a structure too. :) |
| 01:11:39 | Mikachu | Llorean: maybe it's someone just reading the logs |
| 01:11:58 | Mikachu | someone in apartment d183 |
| 01:12:00 | Llorean | Mikachu: With that name, it feels unlikely. |
| 01:12:08 | Mikachu | i think i've seen it before |
| 01:12:15 | directhex | it's bill gates, trying to poison us against iSteve! |
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| 01:12:27 | Mikachu | but i haven't |
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| 01:15:41 | directhex | i wonder what rockbox could do with the wifi in the zune |
| 01:16:04 | JdGordon | probably nothing... |
| 01:16:11 | JdGordon | or multiplayer doom!!! |
| 01:16:12 | Llorean | Show up as a networked mass storage device for easy wireless file transfers? |
| 01:16:23 | Llorean | It really doesn't matter until a device with WiFi has a port. |
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| 01:17:29 | directhex | JdGordon, genius! |
| 01:17:37 | JdGordon | of course... |
| 01:17:40 | Mikachu | or multiplayer bubbles |
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| 01:17:55 | Mikachu | or multiplayer <insert game here> |
| 01:18:22 | jhMikeS | And I'm thinking I'd like something accessible to firmware level too. Perhaps a global_state for these things is better for things that aren't persisted but are needed throughout. Maybe I'm on another nutty obsessive trip? :) |
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| 01:22:50 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: you want something in firmeware/ apps can see like global_status? or in apps that firmware can see? |
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| 01:32:28 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: Well something that can be seen throughout and apps see firmware. Would cleanup handle_audio_poweroff and such too. If I can't sell it and everyone wants it a certain way I'll just go with that. |
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| 01:33:33 | jhMikeS | oops, handle_auto_poweroff that is |
| 01:34:42 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: "be seen throughout and apps see firmware." <- ? |
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| 01:39:28 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: apps can include firmware/export headers but firmware isn't supposed to include headers in apps/. |
| 01:39:54 | JdGordon | oh... ok.. now i get you :p |
| 01:40:02 | JdGordon | im still half alseep |
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| 01:46:43 | dan_a | Hmph. I've tested bootloaders on my 4g greyscale going back to r11565, and none has worked. That probably means that I'm doing something wrong and have just wasted a shedload of time. |
| 01:49:56 | dan_a | Or maybe I haven't... my downloaded bootloader-4g.bin can still dual boot. |
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| 01:57:39 | TrueJournals | Is there a way (in the code) to exclude .nsf files from the database? |
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| 02:01:03 | MonkeyTamer | whoo! done with masteringphysics! |
| 02:01:46 | TrueJournals | OK... how about this... does anyone know where the database code is held? |
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| 02:05:31 | scorche | in many places... |
| 02:05:35 | webguest24 | JdGordon: a video of the Trekstor Vibez menu sys in action, seeing as its based on the karmas OS. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1330791372072230176&q=trekstor+vibez |
| 02:06:08 | TrueJournals | scorche: do you know where it specifies what files it wants to search for? Or does it just search for any file type rockbox can play? |
| 02:06:21 | scorche | not sure |
| 02:07:19 | scorche | just search for #ifdef #HAVE_TAGCACHE and it will point you at every piece of code |
| 02:07:36 | TrueJournals | goody :-p |
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| 02:20:06 | Big_Mac | directhex|work: You here? |
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| 02:21:17 | Big_Mac | or anyone who uses dvmware workstation for compiling because I just found out that the local computer shop had a copy of it that they were selling |
| 02:21:42 | Big_Mac | so I bought it |
| 02:22:02 | TrueJournals | vmware is kinda free now... you can make and run virtual machines for free... |
| 02:22:20 | TrueJournals | or is dvmware something different (I took that as a typo) |
| 02:23:02 | JdGordon | heck, vmware server is even free now :) |
| 02:23:04 | dewdude | yeah |
| 02:23:35 | dewdude | i never understood the real difference between server and workstation platforms of VMware |
| 02:23:53 | TrueJournals | I'm trying to figure that out now... and I don't see any difference... |
| 02:23:59 | dewdude | i've used both. |
| 02:24:06 | JdGordon | you cant make new ones in workstation isnt it? |
| 02:24:16 | dewdude | server seemed geared more toward server virturalization and not desktop |
| 02:24:20 | dewdude | no |
| 02:24:20 | TrueJournals | workstation can create vmware images I believe... |
| 02:24:27 | dewdude | workstation can |
| 02:24:28 | midkay_ | workstation = create, modify, run... |
| 02:24:36 | TrueJournals | *server can |
| 02:24:40 | Big_Mac | vmware player and server are free |
| 02:24:48 | dewdude | workstation does everything server does, and theoritcally, you could run a server in workstation |
| 02:24:55 | Big_Mac | workstation was supposedly one up |
| 02:25:00 | dewdude | but server is optimized more toward server enviroments |
| 02:25:16 | dewdude | there's hardware it might not emulate hardware layers for properly |
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| 02:25:42 | TrueJournals | whatever... I've switched to using InnoTek VirtualBox for development |
| 02:26:11 | Big_Mac | Is there a guide on that, and why would you want that over vmware player |
| 02:26:33 | dewdude | Big_Mac, i've used workstation to compile and patch with |
| 02:26:38 | dewdude | i can try player |
| 02:26:56 | Big_Mac | Ok well will you be on for an hour or so more? |
| 02:27:07 | Big_Mac | because I anticipate me needing help |
| 02:27:19 | TrueJournals | I don't think there's really a guide for VirtualBox, but it's very self explanitory... I'm using that because It seems less bloated... Vmware is constantly running background processes.. VirtualBox only runs when it's being used |
| 02:27:41 | dewdude | Big_Mac, i'll be on for at least the next 4 hours |
| 02:27:42 | dewdude | if not 5. |
| 02:28:07 | Big_Mac | ah cool and you know workstation pretty well |
| 02:28:15 | dewdude | yeah, i got player running |
| 02:28:24 | dewdude | thus far, it seems to be the same |
| 02:28:55 | Big_Mac | ok well I used player before and the problem was I could not access \\debian\user |
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| 02:29:19 | dewdude | ...hrmm |
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| 02:29:35 | dewdude | i'm in my user directory |
| 02:29:40 | Big_Mac | but I was told that in workstation I could have it build to a different location |
| 02:29:47 | TrueJournals | Big_Mac: I've experienced that too... it seems that every now and then SAMBA will just crash... |
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| 02:29:58 | dewdude | ohhh |
| 02:30:04 | dewdude | samba... |
| 02:30:06 | dewdude | i don't use that |
| 02:30:08 | Big_Mac | I have never been able to access it on this coputer |
| 02:30:13 | Big_Mac | computer |
| 02:30:17 | dewdude | too much of a pain...i just ftp between |
| 02:30:20 | dewdude | much easier. |
| 02:30:34 | Big_Mac | between the workstation and your hardrive? |
| 02:30:39 | dewdude | yeah. |
| 02:30:50 | Big_Mac | how did you do that? is that in a guide or could you explain it |
| 02:30:56 | dewdude | heh. |
| 02:30:58 | Big_Mac | like how to ftp the zip |
| 02:31:25 | dewdude | i could tell you. |
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| 02:32:29 | Plouj | hi |
| 02:32:54 | TrueJournals | Hey |
| 02:33:22 | Plouj | where can I get specs on what kind of battery my iRiver h320 supports? |
| 02:33:23 | TrueJournals | Does anyone know how I get my path to stick so that I don't have to add /usr/local/arm-elf/bin to my path every time I want to compile? |
| 02:33:42 | TrueJournals | Plouj: I would check the wiki for hardware info on the H320 |
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| 02:36:30 | adamti91 | hey.. |
| 02:36:43 | Plouj | humm |
| 02:36:56 | Plouj | this shows http://www.dukebox.com/specifications/iriver-h320 that the battery is 1300mAh |
| 02:37:15 | Plouj | a person who sold me his iRiver said that I should buy an ipod 2200mAh battery if I want to a replacement |
| 02:37:39 | Plouj | won't that iPod battery be incompatible with the iRiver? |
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| 02:38:09 | TrueJournals | Plouj: I would say so... hold on a second |
| 02:38:46 | adamti91 | can somebody here delete my wiki account please? |
| 02:40:46 | adamti91 | "AdamTirella" |
| 02:40:48 | adamti91 | thanks! |
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| 02:41:16 | TrueJournals | Plouj: hmm... I'm reading that you're supposed to use a 2200mAh batter also... the one reccomended is "Newertech ipod 1st/2nd gen replacement battery" |
| 02:41:25 | TrueJournals | So, I guess go for the 2200mAh |
| 02:42:31 | Plouj | k |
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| 03:04:49 | ApoXX | moo. |
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| 03:15:17 | BiptoN | has anyone figured out why the battery drains when you shut the x5 down? |
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| 03:20:52 | Plouj | humm |
| 03:21:19 | Plouj | for some reason, after plugging in a new battery into my iRiver it doesn't want to work without the AC cord plugged in |
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| 03:21:45 | Plouj | can someone help me here or should I go elsewhere? |
| 03:23:15 | Big_Mac | You haven't even waited 1 minute man |
| 03:23:27 | Plouj | I waited like 10 minutes |
| 03:23:39 | Big_Mac | wait a while, this isn't the instant gratification channel |
| 03:23:51 | Plouj | oh, what are you referring to? |
| 03:23:57 | Big_Mac | from humm to can someone help me |
| 03:23:57 | Plouj | waiting for the battery to charge or what? |
| 03:24:07 | Big_Mac | that is 2 minutes |
| 03:24:12 | Big_Mac | 1 |
| 03:24:31 | Plouj | why do I have to wait after saying humm? |
| 03:25:05 | Big_Mac | you don't but don't say no one is helping you after waiting 2 minutes |
| 03:25:10 | Big_Mac | wait maybe an hour |
| 03:25:19 | Big_Mac | someone will help you when they can |
| 03:25:19 | Plouj | I didn't |
| 03:26:01 | Plouj | you must have mis-understood this: "Plouj> can someone help me here or should I go elsewhere?" |
| 03:26:31 | Big_Mac | I am just telling you someone will help you here |
| 03:26:39 | Big_Mac | just wait more then 2 minutes |
| 03:26:39 | Plouj | alright |
| 03:26:49 | * | Plouj starts the stop-watch |
| 03:27:25 | Plouj | I'm sure after so much useless text, no one will help |
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| 03:29:12 | Llorean | Plouj: Generally speaking, you have to ask an actual question, not just "Can anyone help me" because we have no way of predicting whether we can answer the question until you've actually asked it. |
| 03:29:25 | Plouj | alright |
| 03:29:39 | Plouj | well |
| 03:30:59 | Plouj | Given personal experience I described can someone explain to me whether the battery should work right away assuming that it's charged? Should it work after 10 minutes of being charged even if it wasn't charged when I bought it? |
| 03:31:47 | Llorean | If it was empty when you bought it, and then charged it for only 10 minutes, it may not work. |
| 03:32:14 | Llorean | You should generally wait until you know it's fully charged the first time you charge something. |
| 03:32:27 | Plouj | oh, alright |
| 03:32:38 | Plouj | then I'll assume it's not charged, and wait |
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| 03:36:43 | Llorean | It's entirely possible that it was "Too low to boot" and after 10 minutes of charging, it was "Not as low, but still too low to boot" :) |
| 03:36:47 | Llorean | Or it's possible that it's bad. |
| 03:37:04 | Plouj | so, all I can do is wait |
| 03:37:29 | Llorean | Yeah, charge it overnight, and then see. |
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| 05:33:45 | JdGordon | here we go!!!! |
| 05:34:17 | ApoXX | ? |
| 05:35:20 | JdGordon | big patch just commited |
| 05:35:33 | JdGordon | I get to break lots of code in the next while :D |
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| 05:49:28 | MonkeyTamer | has anything been changed since the latest revision of the patch? |
| 05:53:28 | midgey | JdGordon: it appears you did break something |
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| 05:54:19 | JdGordon | midgey: i have no idea what those errors are tho.... nano builds fine here |
| 05:54:33 | JdGordon | Im hoping it was some random fluke? |
| 05:54:53 | JdGordon | MonkeyTamer: this isnt the root menu p[atch... |
| 05:55:02 | midgey | hmm, two different servers threw errors |
| 05:55:03 | MonkeyTamer | oh ok |
| 05:55:11 | MonkeyTamer | I got a bit mixed up there |
| 05:56:09 | JdGordon | midgey: yeah, i dunno :p |
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| 05:58:16 | midgey | nano builds fine here |
| 05:58:56 | midgey | gcc 4.0.1 |
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| 06:00:13 | JdGordon | 4.0.3 here |
| 06:00:29 | JdGordon | i tihnk all the build servers have the correct version |
| 06:01:01 | midgey | except that one with a bad snapshot of 4.1.1 correct (throws warnings for valid code) |
| 06:01:13 | midgey | lostlogic's i believe |
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| 06:05:14 | JdGordon | anyone know what unit the loudness variable is supposed to have? |
| 06:05:36 | JdGordon | scorche: ^ i think that var is on the recorder |
| 06:07:06 | JdGordon | dw.... loudness is a sound setting... not a regular int :) |
| 06:07:11 | JdGordon | makes things a bit easier |
| 06:11:12 | BiptoN | midgey: gcc 4.1.1 builds rockbox? |
| 06:12:49 | midgey | from what i've heard some people build for arm and sh targets using 4.1.1 |
| 06:14:01 | BiptoN | hmmm |
| 06:14:08 | BiptoN | i may have to try that out |
| 06:14:19 | BiptoN | have they reported any benefits? |
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| 06:14:52 | midgey | i dont believe any comparisons have been done |
| 06:17:05 | scorche | JdGordon: it is |
| 06:30:11 | perldiver | well |
| 06:30:27 | perldiver | i was just trying to compile with the latest svn updates |
| 06:30:36 | perldiver | got an error (gigabeat target) |
| 06:33:27 | perldiver | CC target/arm/gigabeat/meg-fx/i2c-meg-fx.c |
| 06:33:27 | perldiver | target/arm/gigabeat/meg-fx/i2c-meg-fx.c: In function 'i2c_delay': |
| 06:33:27 | perldiver | target/arm/gigabeat/meg-fx/i2c-meg-fx.c:93: error: syntax error before '?' token |
| 06:33:27 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK perldiver |
| 06:33:27 | perldiver | target/arm/gigabeat/meg-fx/i2c-meg-fx.c:93: warning: statement with no effect |
| 06:33:27 | perldiver | target/arm/gigabeat/meg-fx/i2c-meg-fx.c:93: error: syntax error before ')' token |
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| 06:33:28 | perldiver | make[1]: *** [/home/Denis/rockbox/build_0208/firmware/target/arm/gigabeat/meg-fx |
| 06:33:30 | perldiver | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
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| 07:36:16 | JdGordon | static variables are not put on the stack are they? |
| 07:37:47 | amiconn | JdGordon: Red builds.... |
| 07:38:03 | perldiver | ok that was the wrong line i commented out |
| 07:38:04 | perldiver | but |
| 07:38:10 | perldiver | i got another error |
| 07:38:19 | perldiver | [01:07] <perldiver> CC keymaps/keymap-gigabeat.c |
| 07:38:20 | perldiver | [01:07] <perldiver> Build linkage.lds |
| 07:38:20 | perldiver | [01:07] <perldiver> LD rockbox.elf |
| 07:38:20 | perldiver | [01:07] <perldiver> /home/Denis/rockbox/build_0208/apps/settings_list.o:(.data+0x14): undefined refe |
| 07:38:20 | perldiver | [01:07] <perldiver> rence to `__compound_literal.4' |
| 07:38:20 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 07:38:20 | perldiver | [01:07] <perldiver> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 07:38:22 | perldiver | [01:07] <perldiver> make[1]: *** [/home/Denis/rockbox/build_0208/apps/rockbox.elf] Error 1 |
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| 07:38:24 | perldiver | [01:07] <perldiver> make: *** [all] Error 2 |
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| 07:45:16 | JdGordon | amiconn: yeah, i saw them... but I dont know what they are... nano builds fine here |
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| 07:45:36 | JdGordon | seems perldiver s having the same problem |
| 07:45:38 | decayedcell | linuxstb didn't get time to get that partition dump >< tomorrow lol... |
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| 07:50:41 | amiconn | perldiver: What gcc version do you use (for the target which throws this error? |
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| 07:56:27 | [toffe] | how do you delete an attachement on the wiki, I made a mistake and want to delete it, for now I just hide it ? |
| 07:57:24 | JdGordon | click the manage attachment link i tinhk its in there |
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| 07:58:34 | [toffe] | JdGordon : I try and it says that I don't have the right |
| 07:59:37 | [toffe] | Access check on Main.GigabeatInfo failed. Action "rename": access not allowed on web. |
| 07:59:49 | perldiver | amiconn 3.4.4 |
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| 08:00:17 | amiconn | perldiver: Oh? What target is that? |
| 08:00:23 | perldiver | gigabeat |
| 08:00:44 | amiconn | Hmm, for arm we recommend arm-elf-gcc 4.0.3 |
| 08:01:07 | JdGordon | [toffe]: guess youll just have to hide it then... |
| 08:01:18 | [toffe] | :) |
| 08:01:41 | JdGordon | amiconn: so that means the builds arnt broken? just those servers are using the wrong gcc version? |
| 08:01:44 | amiconn | If your arm-elf-gcc is really 3.4.4 it might be a gcc problem (not the first one we see). The build servers with the same problem all use 4.0.2 |
| 08:01:58 | JdGordon | :( damn |
| 08:02:02 | perldiver | i just double checked |
| 08:02:04 | [toffe] | ok I go to bed, perhaps somebody will havve an answer tomorrow |
| 08:02:17 | perldiver | 4.0.2 |
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| 08:02:25 | amiconn | We recommend 4.0.3 which doesn't seem to have that problem, but 4.0.2 is very close... |
| 08:02:35 | JdGordon | anyone here with a hwcodec target wanna play guinea pig? |
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| 08:02:54 | amiconn | JdGordon: This is a really strange error, btw. |
| 08:03:04 | JdGordon | do you know what it means? |
| 08:03:14 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 08:03:14 | * | amiconn is tempted to build arm-elf-gcc just for reproducing the problem |
| 08:03:48 | JdGordon | fortunatly, there was only 3 changes to settings_list.c so we can track it down if we need to |
| 08:04:32 | amiconn | It just means the linker was unable to resolve a symbol reference |
| 08:04:48 | amiconn | But this is an auto-generated symbol |
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| 08:28:31 | MonkeyTamer | why must I always fight with windows about the \\debian folder? |
| 08:28:44 | JdGordon | your just lucky? |
| 08:28:51 | MonkeyTamer | I guess so... |
| 08:29:52 | MonkeyTamer | Just when I feel like taking a nice break after finishing physics too |
| 08:33:52 | MonkeyTamer | now time to see what jdgordon whipped up this time... |
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| 08:38:10 | bluebrother | JdGordon: IMO that menu should be root that is selected as startup screen and toggle the "root" menu like the main menu before. |
| 08:38:21 | bluebrother | because it is in fact a new main menu |
| 08:39:18 | bluebrother | or, the other way round: the user should select the menu that's the topmost level, so when choosing the file browser it should behave exactly as it did before |
| 08:40:31 | bluebrother | currently it behaves as left-to-menu (which I really dislike because I seldomly need that menu) |
| 08:42:17 | JdGordon | hmm... that does make sense... |
| 08:42:52 | bluebrother | your current patch also makes it harder for the blind. If they are used to hold left to go to the file browser root they now end up somewhere else |
| 08:43:47 | JdGordon | dinner.... bbiab |
| 08:44:43 | * | bluebrother is out for a while too |
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| 08:47:44 | warewolf | anyone know if it is possible to get rockbox to _charge_ an h300 via usb w/o switching into USB disk mode? |
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| 08:48:12 | warewolf | my h300's battery is so low, I can't change the charging options in the original firmware, and rockbox doesn't seem to want to charge the unit :/ |
| 08:48:28 | bluebrother | on ipods you need to hold a button to prevent disk mode. Maybe the h300 has such a button too |
| 08:48:48 | warewolf | disk mode in the boot loader or in rockbox itself? |
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| 08:49:23 | * | warewolf checks manual |
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| 08:58:05 | JdGordon | warewolf: hold rec while pluggging in shold do it iirc |
| 08:58:44 | warewolf | tried that. that boots the factory firmware. |
| 08:59:06 | warewolf | aha, got it |
| 08:59:14 | warewolf | I had to change a factory firmare option |
| 08:59:37 | warewolf | thankfully the factory firmware was fooled into thinking the battery had a higher charge, since I left it to sit for an hour or two. |
| 08:59:41 | warewolf | and now it's charging. |
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| 09:01:26 | warewolf | alright, time for me to go to bed. |
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| 09:11:23 | * | petur sees several cm of snow outside and cheers \o/ |
| 09:17:52 | MonkeyTamer | hm... 2 errors while compiling |
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| 09:20:15 | MonkeyTamer | that's no good |
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| 09:21:56 | MonkeyTamer | I suppose that's what everyone was talking about earlier |
| 09:21:58 | webguest20 | A question for all who know. If e.g. the radio screen is active, that means that we're inside the radio_screen function. If USB is activated, the DAP enters the USB mode. How is it supposed to to after USB is pulled out? To start again in the radio screen or in the file browser as if the DAP was just switched on? |
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| 09:28:48 | JdGordon | anyone any good at drawing icons? |
| 09:29:04 | JdGordon | rockbox icons I mean |
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| 09:30:21 | w1ll14m_ | morning |
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| 09:30:51 | GodEater_ | now in London. Well I never. |
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| 09:30:55 | GodEater_ | *snow |
| 09:31:09 | w1ll14m | yeah we are planned for the afternoon ;) |
| 09:31:15 | w1ll14m | the snow |
| 09:31:53 | w1ll14m | the knmi gave us a weather alarm... |
| 09:32:02 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 09:32:06 | * | petur drove his bike through it and liked it :) looking at cars in chaos :) |
| 09:32:15 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 09:32:26 | * | LinusN loves snow |
| 09:32:40 | * | w1ll14m loves snow too :) |
| 09:32:46 | * | JdGordon too |
| 09:32:48 | | Nick Everybody|away is now known as Everybody (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) |
| 09:32:49 | w1ll14m | hehe |
| 09:32:51 | webguest20 | LinusN: hi Linus. Could you answer the question from 09.21.58? |
| 09:32:53 | * | JdGordon hates the cold that comes it it tho :p |
| 09:33:14 | * | preglow does not like riding bikes in snow |
| 09:33:27 | preglow | doesn't sit too well with my tendency for breakneck speeds |
| 09:33:27 | * | decayedcell doesn't get snow :( |
| 09:33:53 | JdGordon | neither :p I have to drive 90min almost for snow during the hieght of winter |
| 09:33:54 | petur | preglow: I made an acceptable 20km/h :p |
| 09:33:57 | * | w1ll14m sympathizes with decayedcell |
| 09:34:13 | preglow | plenty of snow even here now |
| 09:34:19 | preglow | and this winter has sucked quite thorougly |
| 09:34:28 | * | JdGordon also has to drive 90min for the closest surf beach in summer :'( |
| 09:34:42 | decayedcell | it seems to me that Rockbox can't detect the new USB iPod Chargers |
| 09:34:43 | JdGordon | who decided to found Melbounre here? :p |
| 09:34:53 | w1ll14m | danm the snow will be just for 1 or 2 days because it isn't cold enough here |
| 09:35:23 | w1ll14m | decayedcell: but it charges :) |
| 09:35:36 | decayedcell | w1ll14m nope it doesn't... |
| 09:35:46 | decayedcell | w1ll14m or does it? Theres no icon or anything |
| 09:36:14 | w1ll14m | decayedcell: well i have a usb charger, it seems to charge even if it doesn't seems that way |
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| 09:36:55 | decayedcell | It used to charge when I pressed Menu and plugged in the charger (there was a charger icon in the status bar), but after the new detection routines it doesn't appear to |
| 09:36:57 | GodEater_ | the lack of icon doesn't mean it's not charginng |
| 09:37:18 | GodEater_ | it just means the new code which stops the iPod rebooting doesn't yet include anything to change the icons displayed |
| 09:37:28 | LinusN | webguest20: i believe we usually return to the menu (or the browser) for practical reasons, because the disk contents may have changed, but we could very well stay where we are, but that requires extra care |
| 09:37:34 | decayedcell | GodEater_ ah okay then |
| 09:37:41 | * | decayedcell is reassured |
| 09:37:46 | w1ll14m | decayedcell: the patch was made by linuxstb and we tested it so rockbox wouldn't see the charging but hardware still charges |
| 09:38:01 | w1ll14m | as far as we know |
| 09:38:14 | GodEater_ | I dare say at some point linuxstb will be kind enough to do the icon changes too |
| 09:38:20 | w1ll14m | set your battery to numeric |
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| 09:38:33 | JdGordon | LinusN: there is no reason why we couldnt return the the fm screen tho.. its not like that would care if the disk changes |
| 09:39:03 | LinusN | well, it would have to reload the fm settings, i suppose |
| 09:39:10 | LinusN | the presets |
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| 09:43:37 | webguest20 | LinusN: I ask because of the SVN comment from 7 Feb 17:03. The radio_screen function can be left also because USB was activated. It's like a back door, an abnormal return. Should all the status vars be still consistent then? |
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| 09:44:40 | webguest20 | If USB is activated, the radio_screen func is not left from the 'normal RB execution' perspective. |
| 09:44:54 | LinusN | then there is a bug somewhere |
| 09:45:08 | webguest20 | But still we're not inside that function anymore. |
| 09:45:13 | LinusN | either we leave the screen properly, or stay there |
| 09:45:37 | webguest20 | USB activation is like a jump into another dimension |
| 09:46:17 | webguest20 | That's the question: should USB activation be considered as leaving the radio screen? |
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| 09:47:02 | LinusN | webguest20: i think it would be better if it stayed |
| 09:47:48 | LinusN | it should probably try to handle the presets gracefully (maybe even "Presets have changed on disk. Reload?") |
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| 09:49:58 | webguest20 | LinusN: I think it's not radio specific but rather a question of RB philosophy: how USB activation is treated? Is this a normal operation observable by the other RB code or is it a 'universe freeze' not seen and transparent to the other RB code? |
| 09:50:24 | webguest20 | I'm not talking about the user's but rather about the programmer's view of things. |
| 09:51:13 | webguest20 | Or is it all a BS and I don't understand something? |
| 09:51:29 | LinusN | webguest20: the philosophy is to handle it as cleanly as possible, but general laziness and caution caused us to quit the current screen |
| 09:51:50 | LinusN | all threads are aware of the usb mode |
| 09:52:14 | LinusN | it won't enter the usb mode unless all threads respond to the SYS_USB_CONNECTED message |
| 09:53:36 | LinusN | the only issue is how to continue properly and deal with the changed disk contents |
| 09:53:58 | LinusN | not really a big problem |
| 09:54:30 | webguest20 | ...and what the programmer should care of when dealing with this. I.e. how much is done by the 'system RB code.' |
| 09:55:28 | webguest20 | I think it wouldbe good if USB were seen as a universe freeze, i.e. not seen at all. Or seen as little as possible. |
| 09:55:50 | petur | not possible |
| 09:56:05 | petur | there's things to take care of before entering usb mode |
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| 09:56:41 | petur | because you're handing over control of the disk to the usb controller |
| 09:57:11 | markun | LinusN: with CPU scaling disabled, rockbox performs better than the OF on the Gigabeat |
| 09:57:36 | LinusN | markun: interesting |
| 09:57:38 | preglow | is there ever a need to enable cpu scaling on gigabeat? :) |
| 09:57:38 | markun | this is with the CPU always at 300MHz |
| 09:57:44 | preglow | ahaha, wtf |
| 09:57:53 | LinusN | markun: really odd, i must say |
| 09:57:58 | markun | preglow: we tried to get better battery life, but it only got worse |
| 09:58:00 | petur | battery life? |
| 09:58:13 | preglow | now, that's just really strange |
| 09:58:32 | decayedcell | it was reported earlier that running the CPU at 300 MHz used the drew the same amount of power as 100Mhz :D |
| 09:58:56 | preglow | so there has been done actual measurements? |
| 09:59:00 | LinusN | now that's cool |
| 09:59:05 | markun | preglow: yes |
| 09:59:35 | markun | preglow: with scaling enabled: 70mA at idle and 46-55 when playing. |
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| 10:00:29 | markun | preglow: with scaling disabled: 31mA at idle and 32-41 when playing |
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| 10:00:54 | LinusN | webguest20: could you explpain why it would be good if usb mode was "invisible"? |
| 10:01:07 | webguest20 | petur: yes, something has to be done. But I'd like to keep that as small as possible. E.g. the radio_screen. If you levae the function normally (b/c the user has required it) you should change the value of in_radio_screen. |
| 10:01:08 | markun | looks to me like something is not right with the cpu scaling code |
| 10:01:14 | preglow | erh |
| 10:01:27 | preglow | more at idle than when playing???? |
| 10:01:44 | petur | didn't iriver OF have the same thing? |
| 10:01:44 | markun | yes :) |
| 10:01:52 | preglow | you need to start confiscating the booze |
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| 10:02:00 | webguest20 | But if the function is left b/c USB I wouldn't like to have to do anything other than hand the control over to USB handling code. |
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| 10:02:26 | markun | the rockbox idle consumed more than iriver playing on the iriver iirc |
| 10:02:36 | webguest20 | LinusN: I think it would simplify RB programming. |
| 10:02:37 | markun | LinusN: right? |
| 10:02:46 | Mikachu | does it use more when idling without cpu scaling? |
| 10:02:55 | LinusN | webguest20: hos so? |
| 10:02:58 | LinusN | how |
| 10:03:55 | LinusN | markun: looks like you have to take a look at what happens then it is idle |
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| 10:04:32 | preglow | still, that doesn't explain what happens when it's playing |
| 10:04:32 | webguest20 | LinusN: because you have to care about much less. Think of it as of a co-program (as apposed to sub-program). After return the context is completely restored and you don't have to care about anything. |
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| 10:05:23 | LinusN | webguest20: so you think the plugin/radio screen/playback screen/whatever should go on like nothing happened? |
| 10:05:28 | LinusN | even in usb mode? |
| 10:05:56 | B4gder | JdGordon: sorry, no pms from me since I'm not regged with this nick |
| 10:06:14 | JdGordon | :( |
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| 10:06:49 | JdGordon | Ill email then |
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| 10:07:25 | pixelma | you could also allow PMs from unregistered users... |
| 10:07:26 | webguest20 | LinusN: no, radio playback etc. might be interrupted. But from the programmer's perspective, you doesn't notice anything. Think of it as the CPU was frozen, something was made and the the thread execution resumed. |
| 10:07:49 | markun | LinusN: shall I disable scaling again or leave it on until we have a better idea of what's going on? |
| 10:07:56 | webguest20 | So you don't have to care about saving/restoring the state etc. |
| 10:07:57 | Mikachu | B4gder: you know you can link nicks together? |
| 10:08:06 | B4gder | JdGordon: but no, there was no comment explaining the include in the middle |
| 10:08:09 | markun | pixelma: that would be too easy :) |
| 10:08:13 | B4gder | Mikachu: sure, if I use the original nick |
| 10:08:21 | Mikachu | you only need the password |
| 10:08:24 | B4gder | nope |
| 10:08:39 | JdGordon | B4gder: ok, my mistake on that one... they are temp so dw about them.. |
| 10:08:53 | B4gder | I already tried "nickserv link" |
| 10:09:06 | B4gder | and it won't accept it unless I first use identify |
| 10:09:07 | Mikachu | you may have to register first :) |
| 10:09:17 | B4gder | exactly |
| 10:09:23 | Mikachu | but as the new nick |
| 10:09:26 | | Part kaaloo |
| 10:09:46 | B4gder | then I stopped bothered |
| 10:09:59 | JdGordon | as for the first bit of the email.... once the transition is finished it will make everything simpler... youll see when the first menus are commited |
| 10:10:31 | B4gder | I doubt that |
| 10:10:43 | B4gder | I'm against the whole macro/union concept |
| 10:11:07 | B4gder | but clearly I'm not a majority |
| 10:12:11 | webguest20 | LinusN: so USB activation could be treated as a sort of interrupt. Yes, that's the right word. |
| 10:13:20 | markun | JdGordon: don't you know bugs shouldn't be reported in the forum? ;) |
| 10:13:48 | JdGordon | how big a deal is it if pcmbuf_set_low_latency(); isnt called before going into/outoff sound settings? |
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| 10:14:06 | JdGordon | markun: meh :D |
| 10:14:08 | pondlife | JdGordon: Quite a big deal I'd say. |
| 10:14:12 | pondlife | Try it out though |
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| 10:14:29 | JdGordon | pondlife: the reason I ask is that doesnt that call stop voice from working? |
| 10:14:35 | pondlife | Yes |
| 10:14:45 | pondlife | But that's the lesser of two evils IMHO |
| 10:15:04 | JdGordon | I doubt that for blind people :p |
| 10:15:19 | pondlife | There was an FR for the option .... |
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| 10:15:43 | pondlife | Anyway, try it out, like I said. Adjust sound settings without low latency and see if it feels rubbish |
| 10:15:57 | pondlife | It might be ok, I've not tested. |
| 10:16:28 | JdGordon | ok |
| 10:16:31 | JdGordon | FR? |
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| 10:17:24 | LinusN | webguest20: well, the reason that the threads have to be aware of the usb mode is because they have to get a chance to finish any disk activity before entering usb mode |
| 10:17:26 | JdGordon | although... Its probably a good idea to not talk in those settings so you can actually hear the changes... |
| 10:18:08 | LinusN | webguest20: just entering usb mode behind their back could cause havoc, since they might have open files etc |
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| 10:18:30 | * | linuxstb wonders why there are so many .c files with only one declaration in. |
| 10:19:04 | petur | JdGordon: Feature Request ? |
| 10:19:10 | LinusN | linuxstb: they are not ready yet |
| 10:19:11 | pondlife | JdGordon: Not sure. |
| 10:19:24 | linuxstb | LinusN: OK... |
| 10:19:24 | pondlife | It may have just been a ML post |
| 10:19:52 | * | pondlife is enjoying the snow (at last) |
| 10:19:56 | JdGordon | I know there is a bug report about the sound menu not being voiced... but I dont know of anything about the actual setting screens |
| 10:20:12 | pondlife | That's probably what I was thinking of |
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| 10:23:21 | JdGordon | OK, the sound menu is converted... does anyone want to look at the patch? or shall I just commit it so you can see how much neater the menus will look? |
| 10:24:34 | dan_a | linuxstb: I'm doing testing to find out when the bootloader stopped loading the OF for greyscale iPods |
| 10:24:42 | * | dan_a hugs "git bisect" |
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| 10:26:20 | JdGordon | hmm.... aparently that call doesnt stop voice |
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| 10:27:47 | linuxstb | dan_a: OK. Are you using the old ipod_fw method for all your tests? |
| 10:28:03 | * | jhMikeS is having misgivings about the variable changes he made and wants to revert it |
| 10:28:36 | dan_a | linuxstb: I am - that should still work with new bootloaders, shouldn't it? |
| 10:28:37 | LinusN | jhMikeS: enjoy :-) |
| 10:28:58 | jhMikeS | LinusN: you agree what that I take it? bad idea, huh? |
| 10:29:32 | linuxstb | dan_a: Yes, it should. Does the Apple firmware start at all (i.e. does it do anything to the LCD), or do you just get a reboot with the Rockbox bootloader still visible? |
| 10:30:14 | dan_a | linuxstb: I don't see anything from the Apple firmware. |
| 10:30:35 | linuxstb | dan_a: The odd thing is that if you look at the difference between config-ipodcolor.h and config-ipod4g.h, there is nothing that would seem to affect the bootloader. And the apple firmware starts fine on my Color. |
| 10:30:47 | markun | LinusN, preglow: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/GigabeatInfo?rev=2;filename=Power.html |
| 10:30:51 | LinusN | jhMikeS: i haven't looked at your commits that closely. what have you changed and why? |
| 10:31:18 | linuxstb | The only difference I can see is that the Apple firmware is much smaller (around 3.5MB compared to around 5MB) for the greyscale ipods. |
| 10:31:39 | LinusN | markun: are we absolutely sure that we scale properly? how is it done? |
| 10:32:10 | dan_a | linuxstb: That's why I gave up on looking at the code to see why it's broken, and started installing bootloaders! |
| 10:32:26 | linuxstb | dan_a: One test you could try (with current SVN) is to just add a "return (void*)0x10000000;" to the very start of the Rockbox bootloader - to see if any of Rockbox's hardware initialisation is the cause. |
| 10:32:28 | jhMikeS | LinusN: I was thinking it would be nice to have a global state with the state of various things that are commonly needed, but not persisted, but can't find enough benefit atm to justify it and I don't have a good plan to make it's purpose well defined I guess. |
| 10:32:57 | markun | LinusN: right now it's done by switching between fast-bus and ansynchronic clocking modes for the ARM core |
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| 10:34:26 | markun | LinusN: we had some code before that actually changed the frequency from 300 to 200, but that introduced some weird bugs, perhaps we should do some more tests with that. |
| 10:34:40 | dan_a | linuxstb: We know it is something in our code, so I'll just carry on doing git-bisect until I find the commit which caused it. |
| 10:34:55 | markun | LinusN: in fast-bus the core is running at 100MHz btw |
| 10:35:26 | LinusN | well, better not scale then until we learn more about how to do things |
| 10:36:03 | markun | perhaps. I have kept it on so long because otherwise noone would look into it |
| 10:36:28 | webguest20 | LinusN: couldn't closing files etc. be dealt with in a system code? I.e. it would be part of that "interrupt" handling |
| 10:37:05 | markun | we were getting something like 22 hours without scaling already so it's not a big deal |
| 10:37:06 | webguest20 | I see though that that can't always be done without the knowledge about the context |
| 10:37:51 | LinusN | webguest20: what if the thread needs to finish writing to the file? and it would still need to know that the file was closed when the usb mode returns |
| 10:38:11 | LinusN | webguest20: and i still can't see how it would make things simpler |
| 10:38:25 | markun | B4gder: how about that plan to stop webclient users from using webguest nicks? |
| 10:38:40 | petur | :) |
| 10:39:02 | B4gder | perhaps the default nick should be "I_am_stupid", it could work as a motivator! ;-) |
| 10:39:21 | petur | more like I_am_lazy |
| 10:39:42 | B4gder | yes, that's the true but I'm looking for a way to make people actually change it |
| 10:40:20 | LinusN | webguest20: the thread synchronization is there to solve these problems |
| 10:40:51 | LinusN | webguest20: to make sure that there is no disk activity going on, and it is safe to hand over the disk to the USB chip |
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| 10:41:05 | MonkeyTamer | is there any temporary fix to the problems with compiling on the debian image, as in with the 4.0.2 arm, or is that something I should just be just be patient for ;) |
| 10:41:31 | B4gder | what problems? |
| 10:41:41 | MonkeyTamer | it has an error |
| 10:41:53 | MonkeyTamer | um.. I know someone mentioned it earlier |
| 10:42:25 | preglow | webguest20: there's a lot of state that each thread has that an interrupt can't have. just closing the files wouldn't be wise, it's better if the threads themselves close them and know they've done so |
| 10:42:30 | MonkeyTamer | make: *** [All] error 2 |
| 10:42:52 | preglow | it's the only sane way too, really |
| 10:43:03 | B4gder | MonkeyTamer: and that's *all* it says? |
| 10:43:09 | DataGhost | :) |
| 10:43:19 | MonkeyTamer | no, I just don't know how to copy paste :( |
| 10:43:33 | DataGhost | once you find out, do it in a pastebin :) |
| 10:43:49 | preglow | just closing all files would be akin to stumbling the thread then running away |
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| 10:47:10 | MonkeyTamer | </home/user/rockbox/build/apps/settings_list.o:(.data+0x14): undefined reference to `__compound_literal.4' |
| 10:47:12 | MonkeyTamer | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 10:47:14 | MonkeyTamer | make[1]: *** [/home/user/rockbox/build/apps/rockbox.elf] Error 1 |
| 10:47:14 | pixelma | B4gder: I think the same errors show in some builds of the SVN build table (the reds for other than Archos) |
| 10:47:15 | MonkeyTamer | make: *** [all] Error 2> |
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| 10:47:45 | B4gder | hm |
| 10:49:37 | B4gder | markun: mucho red |
| 10:50:27 | B4gder | but it does seem like perhaps gcc 4.0.2 for arm bugs |
| 10:50:54 | * | linuxstb will upgrade his build server to 4.0.3 |
| 10:52:27 | B4gder | we need to upgrade build.rockbox.org as well |
| 10:53:20 | Mikachu | B4gder: aha, the cvsmod/chlog pages have the old sidebar menu |
| 10:53:22 | webguest20 | Ok, I see that it's not that simple. I only thought that if it would be possible it would take off some burden from programmers. |
| 10:53:32 | B4gder | Mikachu: yeps, been too lazy to fix |
| 10:53:33 | webguest20 | Sort of thinking aloud |
| 10:53:43 | Nico_P | hi everyone |
| 10:53:50 | LinusN | webguest20: well, i don't really think it is a burden |
| 10:54:08 | LinusN | Nico_P: yo |
| 10:54:46 | Nico_P | i got my gigabeat :) |
| 10:54:59 | webguest20 | LinusN: Ok then, file closed :-) |
| 10:55:07 | | Part webguest20 |
| 10:55:36 | Nico_P | but there's something i don't understand... audio files i put on it just won't play |
| 10:57:06 | Nico_P | ah... one is now |
| 10:57:36 | jhMikeS | preglow: did you give a listen to the resampler now and esp. the troublsome setting? |
| 10:58:15 | dan_a | Hmmmm... greyscale iPod bootloaders were broken by r10958 - Slasheri's new scheduler. |
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| 11:02:12 | * | amiconn wonders what is broken in the greyscale ipod bootloaders |
| 11:02:29 | decayedcell | Wow and we're up to... R 12227 |
| 11:06:49 | linuxstb | amiconn: Loading the original firmware. See FS #6629 |
| 11:09:22 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:11:00 | preglow | jhMikeS: nope, haven't had time |
| 11:11:19 | preglow | can't now, and i'm going away for the weekend in a sec |
| 11:11:48 | amiconn | linuxstb: I forgot... and I wouldn't have noticed myself |
| 11:12:08 | linuxstb | amiconn: I know :) |
| 11:12:13 | JdGordon | B4gder: about those build errors, its a gcc bug and I dont need to try and figure out what the problem with the code is? |
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| 11:12:51 | jhMikeS | preglow: enjoy |
| 11:13:49 | B4gder | JdGordon: perhaps |
| 11:14:30 | markun | B4gder: yes, sorry for the red. I was about to fix it and my PC crashed |
| 11:15:05 | markun | Nico_P: you have rockbox installed? |
| 11:15:16 | Nico_P | markun: yes |
| 11:17:04 | * | w1ll14m thinks about how it would be in the hospital without rockbox :) |
| 11:17:11 | Nico_P | markun: is there anything special with the gigabeat F for music transfer ? |
| 11:17:16 | w1ll14m | it would just suck! |
| 11:17:24 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 11:17:49 | markun | Nico_P: not really, what kind of problems do you have? |
| 11:18:10 | Nico_P | markun: well some of the music files i transferred just didn't play |
| 11:18:32 | markun | w1ll14m: are you in hospital now? |
| 11:18:50 | markun | Nico_P: did you get an error message or something? |
| 11:18:59 | Nico_P | "No File!" |
| 11:18:59 | w1ll14m | markun: not yet ;) |
| 11:19:48 | markun | Nico_P: can you check the file size? |
| 11:20:18 | Nico_P | markun: when i plugged the player back in, the files were 0 byte |
| 11:20:25 | Nico_P | now it seems to work fine |
| 11:20:43 | Nico_P | i just don't know what i was doing wrong... maybe unmounting too soon |
| 11:22:03 | markun | yes, I think it's an unmount problem |
| 11:22:24 | linuxstb | dan_a: Have you tried the new ipodpatcher with the last-working Rockbox bootloader? |
| 11:22:26 | Nico_P | i'll try to help adapt the plugins |
| 11:22:58 | markun | ok. which ones need to be adapted? |
| 11:23:05 | dan_a | linuxstb: Not yet. I'm going out now, but I'll give that a go soon. |
| 11:23:27 | Nico_P | markun: i noticed some graphical and keymapping glitches in some |
| 11:23:46 | linuxstb | dan_a: Thanks. Also useful would be the current bootloader/ipod.c with the old Rockbox. |
| 11:23:57 | Nico_P | the video playback is impressive |
| 11:24:20 | markun | yes, works very well |
| 11:24:53 | * | linuxstb hopes to see that one day |
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| 11:26:51 | Nico_P | markun: is there some kind of sensitivity setting for the cross ? |
| 11:26:58 | markun | no |
| 11:27:42 | markun | there was someone in #gigabeat who was working on it, but it looks like he gave up. |
| 11:28:17 | markun | linuxstb: I'll bring mine to the devcon if you didn't buy one by then :) |
| 11:28:34 | Nico_P | markun: also pause on unplug seems to behave a bit strangely... |
| 11:28:36 | preglow | markun: that does seem a rather imprecise way of making a delay loop, why not write it in asm? |
| 11:28:46 | Nico_P | or i have wrong settings maybe |
| 11:29:04 | markun | preglow: hm, yes.. |
| 11:29:23 | markun | Nico_P: did you try it while the backlight was off? |
| 11:29:31 | preglow | you're lucky it's not optimised away |
| 11:29:46 | markun | because everything behaves a bit strange with the backlight off :) |
| 11:30:01 | Nico_P | markun: it seems to behave better with backlight off |
| 11:30:13 | Nico_P | ... or not |
| 11:30:32 | markun | preglow: I would have liked a udelay function like the ipods have. Perhaps I should first look how it's implemented there. |
| 11:31:11 | preglow | through a hardware register |
| 11:31:14 | preglow | so no luck there |
| 11:31:16 | B4gder | static char buffer[1024];? |
| 11:32:00 | B4gder | in trunk/apps/menu.c |
| 11:32:21 | B4gder | JdGordon: why? |
| 11:32:52 | * | B4gder goes for lunch |
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| 11:33:08 | JdGordon | because the options needs pointers to strings... thats not on the stack is it? |
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| 11:33:17 | JdGordon | 1024 _may_be overkill here tho |
| 11:33:28 | safetydan | JdGordon, any chance of some whitespace betwen parameters in your code? Makes it a bit hard to read. |
| 11:33:33 | safetydan | between even |
| 11:34:06 | preglow | hear hear |
| 11:34:08 | JdGordon | Ive been adding them... |
| 11:35:38 | * | preglow out |
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| 11:36:41 | safetydan | well, looks like we've built our own language for writing GUI menus |
| 11:39:32 | safetydan | It will be interesting to see how this new menu stuff goes in eq_menu.c |
| 11:39:44 | safetydan | That's already (unfortunately) macro hell. Not my finest coding hour. |
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| 11:39:53 | LinusN | JdGordon: why is the array static? |
| 11:40:14 | markun | JdGordon: what's the benefit of the new menu code over the old? |
| 11:40:17 | JdGordon | so its not on the stack? or dont we need to worry there? |
| 11:40:30 | safetydan | JdGordon, so is code size up or down after converting sound settings? |
| 11:40:37 | LinusN | 256 bytes is not a problem |
| 11:40:58 | JdGordon | safetydan: overall.. up... but once everything is finished it should be down.... |
| 11:41:03 | * | JdGordon hopes :p |
| 11:41:21 | markun | and if not it will be reverted? |
| 11:41:26 | decayedcell | So is this macro thing faster than the old code? |
| 11:41:42 | safetydan | decayedcell, I don't think the current menu system is a bottleneck |
| 11:42:08 | decayedcell | oh so its more of an easier to work with thing |
| 11:42:37 | safetydan | decayedcell, the jury is currently out on that :) |
| 11:43:34 | JdGordon | imo yes, its MUCH easier to work with.... |
| 11:44:10 | * | JdGordon 's had enough of this for one night.. time to move onto a less contentious patch... the root menu :p |
| 11:44:22 | decayedcell | but it is your code JdGordon, of course you would say that :p |
| 11:44:42 | safetydan | wow, the recorder build has gained 2000 bytes since I last updated |
| 11:45:07 | JdGordon | it will drop off.... give me a chance with this |
| 11:45:38 | JdGordon | it was 2600 down in the more "completed" patch which i scrapped... so we will be down... |
| 11:45:42 | decayedcell | I know I know but I'm just stating the obvious :p |
| 11:45:53 | safetydan | JdGordon, not saying it was code. I haven't updated in about two weeks. |
| 11:45:59 | safetydan | wsa your code even |
| 11:46:03 | JdGordon | it was tho :p |
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| 11:46:55 | safetydan | well with your menu patch and my/n1s's lang cleanup we'll have this recorder build sorted then :) |
| 11:47:10 | safetydan | (actually it's more n1s patch now, but anyway...) |
| 11:48:15 | safetydan | interesting error message when you put a text string in to the FS# seach on the front page |
| 11:50:07 | JdGordon | B4gder: you dont think rockbox text in the ui should look like the logo? |
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| 11:54:14 | triplah_ | anyone know what might cause the bootloader to pause when its trying to find the firmware, then just jump to the apple firmware |
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| 11:54:32 | bluebrother | triplah_: does it show any error message? |
| 11:55:15 | triplah_ | i dont get time to see it |
| 11:55:30 | triplah_ | if there is |
| 11:55:45 | triplah_ | last time this happened, reinstalling with the util worked |
| 11:57:43 | JdGordon | we are getting a nicely coloured build tree arnt we ? :D |
| 11:57:43 | * | petur enters some text in the FS searchbox to look at the error :) |
| 11:58:34 | triplah_ | actually, now when i reset it, it seems to work |
| 11:58:46 | * | jhMikeS sees Recording Screen/Recording Screen in the recording menu now :) |
| 11:59:17 | * | w1ll14m sees that his ipod crashes after opening recording screen |
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| 12:00:01 | pixelma | LinusN: did you read my comment on the ThiasHias wiki account? |
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| 12:01:56 | * | jhMikeS will rebuild and update again-again to recheck |
| 12:03:32 | JdGordon | hmm... woopsies :p yeah your right |
| 12:04:02 | petur | apple going diskless? http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/02/08/apple_ipod_flash_shift/ |
| 12:04:37 | markun | JdGordon: what about making the menu key jump to the root menu and not the settings? |
| 12:05:00 | JdGordon | from where? |
| 12:05:04 | JdGordon | the trees? |
| 12:05:07 | JdGordon | or everywhere? |
| 12:05:14 | JdGordon | s/trees/browsers |
| 12:05:19 | markun | yes |
| 12:07:37 | JdGordon | well, we'll ave to do that if we disallow left to go to the root from the browsers |
| 12:08:40 | markun | hm, perhaps. Maybe I should think about it some more |
| 12:09:10 | JdGordon | am I the only one who thinks rockbox should be spelt ROCKbox like the logo in the menu title? |
| 12:09:17 | * | jhMikeS thinks the check for changed firmware should always be done on usb disconnect so it's always detected |
| 12:09:40 | * | JdGordon agrees |
| 12:10:02 | LinusN | pixelma: yes |
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| 12:10:09 | * | markun prefers Rockbox over ROCKbox |
| 12:10:15 | * | LinusN too |
| 12:10:19 | * | bluebrother too |
| 12:10:19 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I'm RoCkBoX |
| 12:10:30 | jhMikeS | lol |
| 12:10:31 | markun | :) |
| 12:10:32 | * | JdGordon goes with jhMikeS's version to spite the lot of you :D |
| 12:10:42 | directhex|work | rockbox! capital letters are the devil's seed |
| 12:10:51 | * | jhMikeS started typing and changed thoughts in the middle :P |
| 12:11:21 | bluebrother | so you'll swap to rOcKbOx? |
| 12:11:34 | jhMikeS | Was gonna say I'm good with it myself |
| 12:11:40 | Mikachu | RöCKBöX |
| 12:11:50 | jhMikeS | how about random capitalization? |
| 12:12:01 | Mikachu | run it through strfry and memfrob too |
| 12:12:18 | bluebrother | just randomize :) |
| 12:12:20 | directhex|work | run it through cowsay! |
| 12:12:31 | LinusN | Well, we have called it Rockbox since the dawn of the project |
| 12:12:31 | JdGordon | fixed fixed fixed |
| 12:12:33 | Mikachu | cowsay and then figlet! |
| 12:12:41 | bluebrother | and, change it on every new screen that shows it on every call *g* |
| 12:12:49 | amiconn | The player uses ROCKbox! as the boot logo |
| 12:12:54 | markun | LinusN: do you remember the name which actually won the election? |
| 12:13:14 | JdGordon | the word rockbox is translated once in the entire app... making it ROCKbox to agree with the logo would be cool |
| 12:13:14 | LinusN | hmmm, wasn't it "Proteus"? |
| 12:13:22 | directhex|work | Mikachu, you mean figlet then cowsay |
| 12:13:27 | directhex|work | Mikachu, and toilet > figlet |
| 12:13:42 | jhMikeS | !BcKoOrX |
| 12:13:53 | LinusN | JdGordon: i think spelling it ROCKBox is plain ugly |
| 12:14:05 | * | bluebrother agrees again |
| 12:14:07 | LinusN | harder to read |
| 12:14:50 | directhex|work | markun, ooh, is it alternate name time? how about 'vox populi'? |
| 12:15:02 | directhex|work | :p |
| 12:15:05 | bluebrother | use some greek letter |
| 12:15:19 | LinusN | directhex|work: to reflect the name voting? :-) |
| 12:15:20 | bluebrother | like, lambda |
| 12:15:25 | jhMikeS | PoXBoKs |
| 12:15:25 | amiconn | LinusN: I agree that it's harder to read, but otoh it kinda resembles the graphical logo |
| 12:15:34 | amiconn | That's why the player uses it as the logo |
| 12:15:45 | markun | amiconn: so the logo needs to be changed? ;) |
| 12:15:46 | B4gder | but the name is Rockbox and the logo was made after the name |
| 12:15:51 | directhex|work | LinusN, see, it's smart *and* relevant! i win! |
| 12:16:03 | bluebrother | use the logo as default backdrop ... |
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| 12:16:29 | amiconn | LinusN: Btw, speaking about the player: Did you test ata poweroff with an additional delay on poweron on your 4.51 player? |
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| 12:16:40 | LinusN | amiconn: i forgot about it :-( |
| 12:17:00 | LinusN | must be the age |
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| 12:17:49 | jhMikeS | if LinusN is old then that makes me almost old too :( |
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| 12:18:02 | * | LinusN got even older today |
| 12:18:02 | * | bluebrother fears his age |
| 12:18:16 | * | B4gder is young and fresh in comparison :-P |
| 12:18:17 | jhMikeS | LinusN: congrats. Febuary too, huh? |
| 12:18:25 | LinusN | :-) |
| 12:18:28 | bluebrother | really? I have two days left until I get older |
| 12:18:38 | bluebrother | but congrats. |
| 12:18:43 | jhMikeS | Mine's in 6 days |
| 12:18:55 | JdGordon | happy bday to all you ld people :D |
| 12:19:12 | JdGordon | old even |
| 12:19:13 | scorche | 12 here =) |
| 12:20:53 | Mikachu | directhex|work: http://pastebin.ca/raw/345274 |
| 12:23:23 | markun | rockbox locked up.. |
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| 12:27:25 | markun | LinusN: congratulations! I didn't realise it was really your birthday and thought you just got older like we all do every day :) |
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| 12:32:26 | w1ll14m | LinusN: congrats!! i hope you have a lot of years to come!! :) |
| 12:32:37 | w1ll14m | good years of course :) |
| 12:33:23 | XavierGr | Linus: Happy birthday, may all your wishes come true! :D |
| 12:35:05 | w1ll14m | OMG it's snowing :) |
| 12:35:36 | directhex|work | we've got 1-4 inches of snow around here |
| 12:35:41 | directhex|work | took me 2 hours to get to work |
| 12:37:18 | w1ll14m | directhex: it's now a days very unusual thath we have snouw aroudn here ... |
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| 12:41:06 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: gcc allows dynamic array sizes but I never tried using it myself and don't know if it'll just bloat the code or not |
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| 12:46:16 | * | decayedcell snow again? |
| 12:46:30 | decayedcell | happy bday to LinusN anyway |
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| 12:50:57 | tucoz | Regarding the root menu. Could the behaviour for the 'Now playing' be to fire up the file browser, unless nothing is playing/to be resumed |
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| 12:51:42 | w1ll14m | where is the root menu patch? i'd like to test it |
| 12:52:35 | Abcminiuser | I lost the birthday lottery, mine's on Valentine's :S |
| 12:53:37 | tucoz | it could have been worse. christmas for instance |
| 12:53:45 | scorche | there seems to be quite a few february people... |
| 12:53:49 | Mikachu | or february 29th |
| 12:53:55 | tucoz | hehe |
| 12:54:08 | * | jhMikeS never found Valentine's to be such a problem for a b'day |
| 12:54:24 | w1ll14m | :) |
| 12:54:59 | Abcminiuser | Well, perhaps it isn't so bad... |
| 12:55:17 | Abcminiuser | At least I actually have a girlfriend this year :P |
| 12:55:24 | LinusN | 7away |
| 12:55:54 | B4gder | 8away! |
| 12:55:54 | LinusN | oops :-) |
| 12:56:08 | * | B4gder hands LinusN a shift key |
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| 13:00:19 | w1ll14m | hmm rootmenu patch gives some errors |
| 13:01:05 | w1ll14m | http://www.pastebin.ca/345311 |
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| 13:02:59 | linuxstb_ | I guess JdGordon's menu changes have broken it. |
| 13:03:11 | w1ll14m | how to revert? |
| 13:03:43 | linuxstb_ | Revert what? The patch, or your version of Rockbox? |
| 13:03:46 | w1ll14m | i think checking out a previous revision |
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| 13:04:24 | w1ll14m | from 8 rebruary |
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| 13:04:38 | w1ll14m | february** |
| 13:04:41 | B4gder | that's today |
| 13:04:53 | linuxstb_ | I would just wait for the next version of the patch. |
| 13:04:56 | w1ll14m | damn indeed..... |
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| 13:25:09 | w1ll14m | linuxstb: i think you're right ;) |
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| 13:37:49 | LinusN | has H300 USB charging been broken since we introduced it last week? |
| 13:45:48 | * | B4gder drops a needle |
| 13:46:30 | LinusN | *boom* |
| 13:46:30 | directhex|work | woo, cables from dell |
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| 13:52:42 | JdGordon | (22:51:07) tucoz: Regarding the root menu. Could the behaviour for the 'Now playing' be to fire up the file browser, unless nothing is playing/to be resumed <- I think displaying "nothing to resume" is better... which file browser would you drop the user in? regular or db? |
| 13:53:12 | LinusN | JdGordon: i agree |
| 13:53:53 | B4gder | I agree too |
| 13:53:56 | LinusN | element of least surprise i guess |
| 13:54:05 | w1ll14m | JdGordon: me too i agree |
| 13:54:22 | JdGordon | sure... you all agree now... but as soon as its commited.. boom.. you change your minds :p |
| 13:54:29 | LinusN | hahaha |
| 13:54:32 | w1ll14m | hehehe |
| 13:54:44 | B4gder | that's our way to keep you on your toes |
| 13:54:59 | JdGordon | and i thought I was trying to keep you on yours? |
| 13:55:04 | w1ll14m | i've gotta test root menu as it's ot of sync right now, but i would think that would be best |
| 13:55:45 | JdGordon | i was going to resync it, but sin city was on cable.. so iwatched that instead |
| 13:55:55 | LinusN | can't miss that :-) |
| 13:55:57 | w1ll14m | jdgordon: lol |
| 13:56:15 | JdGordon | such a good movie |
| 13:56:23 | w1ll14m | never seen it :) |
| 13:58:27 | w1ll14m | well let me know when you've done a resync.... i think i would love the new root menu :) but i have to test first ;) |
| 13:59:27 | directhex|work | it's brilliant cinematography. story's a little shallow, in a comic book kind of way |
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| 14:00:19 | JdGordon | OT... anyone in marseille willing to take my mate out for a beer? he is sitting on msn instead of playing tourist... |
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| 14:02:42 | jhMikeS | Is there a reason that the coldfire i2c clock divider (MFDR) isn't scaled with cpu frequency? Seems to always be set for the highest. |
| 14:04:10 | LinusN | jhMikeS: the i2c controller doesn't like changing mfdr on the fly |
| 14:04:55 | LinusN | we tried it once, but abandoned it |
| 14:04:59 | jhMikeS | LinusN: ok...what's meant by "on the fly" exactly? |
| 14:05:14 | LinusN | during communication |
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| 14:07:53 | jhMikeS | What about between communication? |
| 14:08:01 | LinusN | should work |
| 14:09:05 | LinusN | jhMikeS: back then, the i2c driver could yield, but it doesn't seem to do that anymore |
| 14:10:00 | jhMikeS | hmmm...yeah, I was wondering cause it doesn't look like anything could get in there and change the PLL during a transmission. |
| 14:10:38 | LinusN | looks like it would be safe do do it |
| 14:11:12 | amiconn | I'd rather make it yield and not change mfdr instead |
| 14:11:46 | jhMikeS | really, why so? too much time spent inside? |
| 14:12:04 | LinusN | don't we speak i2c in interrupt context on some players? |
| 14:12:19 | LinusN | x5/h300 |
| 14:12:24 | jhMikeS | x5 has it's own for the pmu |
| 14:12:26 | amiconn | Hmm, on H300 and X5 we do... so no yield |
| 14:12:37 | amiconn | But then we must not touch mfdr either |
| 14:13:06 | LinusN | very true |
| 14:13:13 | jhMikeS | h300 uses the other bitbanging driver as well |
| 14:13:34 | directhex|work | 'bitbanging' sounds so delightfully filthy |
| 14:14:08 | LinusN | hmmm, i think the i2c communication is atomic in those cases |
| 14:14:53 | jhMikeS | I'm not aware of interrupt context i2c except in the software driver for pmu communication...missed something did I? |
| 14:15:53 | amiconn | I don't think it's worth changing mfdr. Unlike the pcf communication, this other i2c channel isn't use very much |
| 14:16:05 | amiconn | It's just controlling the uda / tlv |
| 14:16:05 | perl|perl | ah |
| 14:16:08 | amiconn | (iirc) |
| 14:16:12 | perl|perl | it still doesnt compile |
| 14:16:23 | LinusN | ah, pmu comm is bitbanged |
| 14:17:06 | jhMikeS | I'm wonder because x5 gets very noisy on the radio at cpu idle compared to other frequencies. I don't know if it's because of the radio chip i/o for sure yet. Will check it out though soon. |
| 14:17:42 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Did you check the tlv clock at idle? We had a similar problem on iriver first |
| 14:18:02 | jhMikeS | amiconn: no, hadn't considered that. |
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| 14:18:52 | amiconn | The pll can be shut down at idle, but the audioclk / mclk must be kept properly |
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| 14:20:57 | jhMikeS | I thought audioclk/mclk wasn't derived from the PLL...*still confused* |
| 14:21:36 | amiconn | No, but they are configured in PLLCR as well |
| 14:23:28 | jhMikeS | They're left alone now except for recording configuration. I remember fixing it recently cause the radio sound changed at idle. Should be in the commits. |
| 14:24:06 | jhMikeS | It got broken after the bootloader work. |
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| 14:24:12 | perl|perl | error im getting this time |
| 14:24:14 | perl|perl | CC keymaps/keymap-gigabeat.c |
| 14:24:14 | perl|perl | Build linkage.lds |
| 14:24:14 | perl|perl | LD rockbox.elf |
| 14:24:14 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK perl|perl |
| 14:24:14 | perl|perl | /home/Denis/rockbox/build_0208/apps/settings_list.o:(.data+0x14): undefined refe |
| 14:24:14 | perl|perl | rence to `__compound_literal.4' |
| 14:24:15 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 14:24:15 | perl|perl | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 14:24:17 | perl|perl | make[1]: *** [/home/Denis/rockbox/build_0208/apps/rockbox.elf] Error 1 |
| 14:24:19 | perl|perl | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 14:24:25 | B4gder | arm gcc 4.0.2? |
| 14:24:29 | perl|perl | yeah |
| 14:24:39 | B4gder | I suspect that's a gcc bug |
| 14:24:59 | B4gder | in 4.0.2 |
| 14:25:12 | jhMikeS | As for x5...will have to check since radio is analog bypass for x5 and won't be so obvious. |
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| 14:26:00 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Try passing it through the audio bus instead |
| 14:26:29 | amiconn | This has the advantage that tone controls will work. At least that's why we pass radio through the digital path on iriver |
| 14:26:52 | jhMikeS | TLV320 has tone controls? :\ |
| 14:26:54 | perl|perl | i just downloaded latest setup, it still has version 4.0.2 in it |
| 14:27:03 | B4gder | what setup? |
| 14:27:31 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Oh, I forgot... |
| 14:29:09 | perl|perl | cygwin from rockbox.org |
| 14:29:11 | LinusN | amiconn: isn't that also to be able to record? |
| 14:29:18 | LinusN | and display peak meters? |
| 14:29:41 | amiconn | We don't display peakmeters in radio on swcodec |
| 14:30:30 | amiconn | What we do on iriver is just audio bus pass through, not record & play |
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| 14:33:00 | jhMikeS | The H120 just sounded like it switched samplerates, but no noise. The x5 is a noisy bugger at idle in fm. |
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| 14:37:19 | jhMikeS | If we wanna get fancy fm can be put through the dsp :) |
| 14:37:32 | markun | perl|perl: I had the same problem with compiling today. Used tools/rockboxdev.sh to compile the compiler and now it works fine. |
| 14:37:54 | amiconn | jhMikeS: On X5 this might even make sense |
| 14:38:44 | jhMikeS | amiconn: On which point? The reason for noise or the dsp thing? |
| 14:41:20 | amiconn | Tone controls |
| 14:51:07 | markun | and crossfeed! |
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| 14:53:13 | jhMikeS | oy...latency on the fm and keeping boost down at the same time...that's the tough bit |
| 14:53:30 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 14:53:30 | * | o0SmOkE0o greetz everyone |
| 14:54:08 | o0SmOkE0o | a small and simple question from my side :) |
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| 14:54:39 | o0SmOkE0o | Where can I change the baudrate value at which rockbox communicates over the serial port ? It should be changed in serial.c |
| 14:55:16 | LinusN | o0SmOkE0o: line 54 |
| 14:55:19 | o0SmOkE0o | but I can only find one 9600 (at which the rockbox communicaties at the moment).. BRR1 = (FREQ/(32*9600))-1; can I change 9600 to 38400 without a problem ? |
| 14:55:27 | LinusN | yes |
| 14:55:38 | o0SmOkE0o | that simple ? |
| 14:55:40 | o0SmOkE0o | BRR1 = (FREQ/(32*38400))-1; |
| 14:55:50 | LinusN | should work |
| 14:55:51 | o0SmOkE0o | and that should do the trick ? |
| 14:56:09 | LinusN | yes, i believe so |
| 14:56:20 | o0SmOkE0o | :).. Rockbox.. I love it :) |
| 14:56:28 | o0SmOkE0o | Thanks LinusN... |
| 14:56:29 | LinusN | me too :-) |
| 14:56:32 | LinusN | you're welcome |
| 14:57:03 | o0SmOkE0o | busy with the GnuniLink to RockBox dongle.. and I think I'm almost done finishing it :) (hopefully) |
| 14:57:25 | o0SmOkE0o | change value to 38400 and recompile rockbox... let's give it a go :) BRB |
| 14:57:35 | LinusN | good luck |
| 14:57:55 | o0SmOkE0o | Thanks.. I will need it.. lol |
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| 15:05:50 | jhMikeS | it's safe to have another thread start transmitting/receiving a bunch of bytes while another yields in the middle of doing so maybe even trying communication with the same chip? Guess it's time to hit the books again. |
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| 15:07:56 | petur | on i2c? I think not |
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| 15:11:22 | LinusN | that won't work |
| 15:12:45 | jhMikeS | ok, didn't seem like it should. :) |
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| 15:25:09 | perl|perl | is it possible to update arm-elf-gcc to version 4.0.3 in http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin ? |
| 15:25:22 | B4gder | yes |
| 15:25:32 | B4gder | as in someone need to do it |
| 15:25:53 | B4gder | if the provided one is 4.0.2 |
| 15:26:11 | amiconn | If I knew how to make cygwin packages... I have 4.0.3 |
| 15:26:18 | jhMikeS | then where would a yield be safely placed in i2c_coldfire besides after stopping? |
| 15:26:37 | perl|perl | yes, the provided one is 4.0.2 |
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| 15:29:43 | * | jhMikeS notices settings_list.c didn't get a Id update |
| 15:30:45 | amiconn | Then JdGordon forgot to set the svn property |
| 15:31:16 | jhMikeS | I see essentially $Id: $ |
| 15:32:27 | jhMikeS | A new file still uses $Id$ to start? |
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| 15:34:33 | amiconn | svn won't touch $xyz$ markers unless svn:keywords is set |
| 15:35:26 | amiconn | Adding a new file won't set this property automatically (unless you have autoprops enabled in .subversion/config) |
| 15:36:34 | amiconn | So what's needed is: |
| 15:36:50 | amiconn | svn propset svn:keywords "Author Date Id Revision" apps/settings_list.* |
| 15:36:55 | amiconn | followed by a commit |
| 15:37:20 | amiconn | There are probably more files with missing svn:keywords |
| 15:38:47 | jhMikeS | so if no autoprops, it's needed for every new file manually |
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| 15:39:40 | amiconn | yes |
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| 15:55:23 | linuxstb_ | If anyone wants to test, here's a win32 version of the latest ipodpatcher - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-0.8.zip |
| 15:55:43 | linuxstb_ | Running "ipodpatcher −−install" will now install the (embedded in ipodpatcher) bootloader. |
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| 15:57:00 | B4gder | oo, fancy! |
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| 15:58:44 | linuxstb_ | Can a windows user tell me if there's a suitable directory we could suggest users download ipodpatcher.exe into, so it will be in their path when they open a random command prompt? |
| 15:59:49 | linuxstb_ | I was thinking C:\Windows, but isn't that normally hidden/protected? |
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| 16:00:44 | GodEater | %HOME% ? |
| 16:01:27 | GodEater | hidden\protected doesn't matter to cmd anyway |
| 16:01:41 | GodEater | it's only an explorer-esque metaphor |
| 16:01:52 | linuxstb_ | I know, I'm thinking of the initial download/save. |
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| 16:02:16 | GodEater | well %home% would be ideal then, cos that's where cmd is homed when you open it |
| 16:02:25 | linuxstb_ | But what is %home% ? |
| 16:02:36 | GodEater | depends on their isntall |
| 16:02:47 | GodEater | but it should default to c:\documents and settings\<username> |
| 16:03:10 | linuxstb_ | I mean how do you describe that location to someone? |
| 16:03:16 | GodEater | let me see if %home% is accepted by IE as a download location |
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| 16:03:32 | petur | my documents? |
| 16:03:53 | linuxstb_ | Or should we just tell people to create a "c:\rockbox" folder, save ipodpatcher to there, and type "c:\rockbox\ipodpatcher −−install" |
| 16:03:55 | bluebrother | why not use %HOMEPATH%Desktop? |
| 16:03:56 | jhMikeS | is it bad if I test this svn_autoprops on one of the files? :) |
| 16:04:10 | GodEater | IE doesn't understand %HOME% anyway |
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| 16:04:29 | * | petur wonders why people download files to their desktop |
| 16:04:31 | GodEater | My Documents isn't where cmd get's set to as a CWD |
| 16:04:49 | linuxstb_ | petur: Because people accept the default? |
| 16:05:05 | bluebrother | because you won't need to search for them |
| 16:05:10 | bluebrother | directly in the view |
| 16:05:26 | GodEater | does −−install not require a device number ? |
| 16:05:51 | linuxstb_ | Nope, that was made optional with my last commit. If no device is specified, it does a −−scan, and if exactly one ipod is found, that's used. |
| 16:05:59 | GodEater | neat |
| 16:06:22 | GodEater | in that case, why not make −−install the default action, with the addition of a yes/no question? |
| 16:06:28 | GodEater | then they could just double click the thing |
| 16:06:41 | GodEater | and save all this pain with cmd prompt newbies |
| 16:06:52 | jhMikeS | amiconn: it should be exactly those keywords you gave me? It seems like "Id Revision Date LastChangedBy" |
| 16:06:52 | linuxstb_ | I don't want to handle terminal I/O... But if someone can code it, I'll add it. |
| 16:07:33 | * | GodEater has no windows dev environment and no desire to install one |
| 16:07:48 | linuxstb_ | "apt-get install mingw" |
| 16:07:59 | linuxstb_ | And then cross-compile. |
| 16:08:05 | * | GodEater points to the "no desire" bit in his above statement |
| 16:08:27 | * | linuxstb_ looks around for other volunteers... |
| 16:08:42 | GodEater | I've got VC7 packaged and waiting for me on my work PC if I actually wanted it |
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| 16:09:12 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The keywords I mentioned are the ones set for all other .c and .h files |
| 16:09:22 | amiconn | (those converted from the cvs repo) |
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| 16:10:50 | GodEater | *sigh* - is 0.8 commited ? |
| 16:12:00 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: Not yet. Have you changed your mind? |
| 16:12:07 | GodEater | possibly |
| 16:12:16 | GodEater | I'll at least look at it |
| 16:12:56 | jhMikeS | and .S files? same thing I assume |
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| 16:14:00 | GodEater | I'm going for a coffee - if you commit it I'll check it out and have a look at how much effort it would be to handle a simple yes / no question |
| 16:14:06 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: I want to do some more testing this evening before I commit those 0.8 changes. But if you could write a small C program to bring up a prompt, then I could incorporate it in ipodpatcher. |
| 16:14:23 | GodEater | ok - I'll do that then |
| 16:15:11 | * | LinusN has updated the cygwin arm-elf-gcc package to 4.0.3 |
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| 16:16:39 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: One that also works on Linux, Mac OS X, BSD, etc etc would be nice... :-) But I guess we could make the prompt windows-only. |
| 16:17:00 | markun | perl|perl: did you see that? |
| 16:17:26 | LinusN | perl|perl: i have updated the arm-elf-gcc cygwin package |
| 16:19:20 | bluebrother | linuxstb_: can't you just getc in a loop and use stdin as file pointer? |
| 16:21:10 | jhMikeS | argh...didn't seem to do anything |
| 16:21:52 | B4gder | I'll upgrade the build server |
| 16:22:39 | jhMikeS | svn should pick up the new config settings the next time it's run? |
| 16:24:24 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: Maybe, I've just never tried it... |
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| 16:24:54 | GodEater | I *think* basic terminal IO is the same across platforms in straight C |
| 16:25:21 | bluebrother | I think too. I remember doing some basic thing once, but that's quite a while ago |
| 16:25:29 | bluebrother | and I don't have access to my old code atm. |
| 16:25:59 | linuxstb_ | Although maybe it's not worth the trouble, and we should try and get it in rbutil. |
| 16:26:58 | bluebrother | jhMikeS: you don't need to readd the file when changing properties |
| 16:27:24 | bluebrother | ah, forgot. You need for autoprops to kick in ;-) |
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| 16:27:55 | jhMikeS | kick in? haha |
| 16:29:06 | jhMikeS | my subversion/config appears correct according to examples I can find...hmmm |
| 16:31:42 | * | linuxstb_ suspects rm -fr .* is badness... |
| 16:31:53 | Mikachu | it won't expand to .. |
| 16:32:03 | linuxstb_ | echo .* will... |
| 16:32:12 | jhMikeS | enable-auto-props = yes and *.c = svn:keywords = "Author Date Id Revision" |
| 16:32:23 | Mikachu | ah, it won't expand to .. in zsh :) |
| 16:33:29 | GodEater | .* definitely expands to .. in bash (I've done that before oops) |
| 16:33:29 | B4gder | build server arm gcc now at 4.0.3 |
| 16:33:39 | linuxstb_ | My server is as well. |
| 16:33:58 | B4gder | the build dir for this takes 488M... |
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| 16:38:44 | GodEater | linuxstb: http://pastebin.ca/345495 |
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| 16:39:19 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: Which OSs have you tested it on? Just windows? |
| 16:39:25 | GodEater | try compiling it under windows and see if it works |
| 16:39:33 | GodEater | no - just linux ;) |
| 16:39:38 | linuxstb_ | :) |
| 16:39:45 | GodEater | but I'm confident it's simple enough it'll work under windows too |
| 16:40:02 | GodEater | if you don't have a box to hand I'll even test it for you |
| 16:40:10 | GodEater | I just refuse to install the dev environment |
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| 16:43:13 | linuxstb_ | It seems to work identically in Linux and Windows :0 |
| 16:43:17 | linuxstb_ | I meant :) |
| 16:43:32 | GodEater | you'll have to excuse my use of the one-true-brace-style as well - I'm too used to it :) |
| 16:43:49 | GodEater | I imagine it'll work under OSX too then |
| 16:44:14 | linuxstb_ | http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/god.exe |
| 16:44:18 | perplexity | pondlife: around ? |
| 16:44:53 | GodEater | linuxstb: nice, internal server error :) |
| 16:45:08 | linuxstb_ | Idiotic server... |
| 16:45:08 | pondlife | perplexity: Yep |
| 16:45:11 | GodEater | clearly you took my obfuscated virii and compiled it ;) |
| 16:45:35 | perplexity | did you get the V5 bootloader to build ? |
| 16:45:43 | linuxstb_ | Try http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/god.exe.bin |
| 16:45:48 | pondlife | Yes, but not tried running it yet |
| 16:45:53 | GodEater | nope - same |
| 16:46:01 | perplexity | Oh, so you managed to get it patched into the hex file?? |
| 16:46:07 | * | jhMikeS thinks one test like that was more than enough |
| 16:46:12 | GodEater | .zip ? :) |
| 16:46:13 | pondlife | No, just to compile, not much time! |
| 16:46:22 | perplexity | I made about 2 minor changes to the file and it went oversize and would not patch into the H300.hex.. :( |
| 16:46:36 | perplexity | I've not tried to build a vanilla one yet.. interested to know how you get on |
| 16:46:52 | pondlife | I was going to try vanilla first. |
| 16:46:53 | linuxstb_ | Yes, try http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/god.zip |
| 16:47:05 | pondlife | Will post back if I get a chance (at the weekend perhaps) |
| 16:48:07 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: We can now put some nice test questions... "Have you read the manual?" "What is the fifth word on the 10th page?" etc etc |
| 16:48:21 | GodEater | hahahaha |
| 16:48:28 | petur | lol |
| 16:48:40 | GodEater | sadly it's harder to get an accurate answer to "have you _comprehended_ the manual?" |
| 16:49:05 | GodEater | anyway - yes -works here too (as expected) |
| 16:49:41 | GodEater | what an embarassingly small amount of code I've contributed so far to make it into the credits file |
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| 16:51:26 | GodEater | linuxstb: another though occurs to me about ipodpatcher |
| 16:51:46 | GodEater | the steps to use it appear *after* the section of the manul where the user is supposed to have unzipped rockbox.zip right ? |
| 16:51:56 | linuxstb_ | Yep. |
| 16:52:01 | GodEater | so could it also check for the existence of .rockbox/ and rockbox.ipod ? |
| 16:52:38 | linuxstb_ | Not easily... I would either need to incorporate a FAT driver, or find out where (if anywhere) the FAT32 partition is mounted in the operating system. |
| 16:53:03 | GodEater | ah of course - it's so low level. I'd forgotten there was no file level access in it |
| 16:53:22 | GodEater | and in that case you run into the same problem Cassandra was having |
| 16:53:37 | GodEater | the FAT32 partition bit anyway |
| 16:53:37 | linuxstb_ | Although using the Rockbox FAT driver wouldn't be that hard.... |
| 16:53:52 | GodEater | well it's just an idea anyway |
| 16:54:14 | GodEater | you mean it wouldn't be hard on 512byte sector ipods ;) |
| 16:54:45 | linuxstb_ | True... I don't think I want to go there. |
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| 16:54:59 | * | GodEater wonders if linuxstb has been sitting on his secret FAT / ATA improvement code and just waiting to upset LinusN with a "oh you thought that was hard?" |
| 16:55:14 | linuxstb_ | I wish... |
| 16:55:35 | GodEater | yah me too :-/ |
| 16:56:04 | GodEater | let's forget that plan then |
| 16:56:08 | linuxstb_ | Still, you have your gigabeat to play with now. |
| 16:56:39 | GodEater | of course - but I want all the "I stuffed my 80GB" posts to go away as well ;) |
| 16:56:57 | GodEater | not that there have been so many lately mind you |
| 16:57:09 | GodEater | in fact, they'll probably increase in number when we end up getting support working |
| 16:57:44 | GodEater | well anyway - I look forward to seeing ipodpatch-0.81 including my code :) |
| 16:57:49 | GodEater | +er |
| 16:57:58 | GodEater | including the archaic english |
| 16:58:01 | GodEater | ;) |
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| 17:01:10 | linuxstb_ | Maybe the prompt will need to be in txtspk |
| 17:02:08 | GodEater | l33t $ur13y ? |
| 17:02:28 | GodEater | it would possibly get through to most of our problem users |
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| 17:02:34 | GodEater | but would make Llorean grouchy |
| 17:04:26 | linuxstb_ | WUD U LIEK 2 INSTAL DA ROKBOX BOTLOAEDR??!!?!! OMG WTF (y/n) : |
| 17:05:00 | GodEater | perfect |
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| 17:05:38 | * | linuxstb_ would like to credit the "English to 12-year-old AOL user" translator - http://ssshotaru.homestead.com/files/aolertranslator.html |
| 17:05:40 | GodEater | although possibly "TEH" in place of "DA" |
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| 17:06:43 | mick | About the root menu (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RootMenu): IMHO, if nothing is playing, the 'Now playing' entry should not be displayed. |
| 17:06:45 | GodEater | cute - you get random "OMG/LOL/WTF" |
| 17:08:06 | linuxstb_ | mick: I think it should be there to act as a menu option for "resume". If there is nothing to resume, it can say so. |
| 17:08:09 | mick | And the 'Browse Plugins' entry should be be named just 'Plugins'. Since all other entries are just nouns. Why is the entry for bookmarks called 'bookmarks' and not 'Browse bookmarks'? Aha! |
| 17:08:34 | mick | linuxstb: then it should be 'Resume playback' in that case |
| 17:08:41 | linuxstb_ | mick: There's also blind users to consider - disappearing menu items don't help them. |
| 17:09:08 | mick | linuxstb: ok, hiding it is a bit too much, I agree. |
| 17:09:32 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 17:13:19 | mick | So we have two entries but only one is displayed at a time. One just goes to the WPS and the other resumes playback. |
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| 17:17:35 | GodEater | I'm not sure why going to WPS / resume playing are different |
| 17:17:54 | markun | GodEater: I don't think they should be |
| 17:18:12 | GodEater | I think mick is confused then |
| 17:18:18 | GodEater | that sounds like only one entry to me |
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| 17:18:52 | markun | GodEater: maybe he wants the title to change |
| 17:19:34 | * | GodEater blesses the writers of RDP-for-linux |
| 17:19:37 | markun | like "now playing" when something is playing or "start playback" when it's no |
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| 17:21:10 | Mikachu | in any case it will be playing by the time you get to the screen, so "while playing screen" is right :) |
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| 17:27:45 | GodEater | did that thing work on OSX too linuxstb? Or are you Mac challenged currently ? |
| 17:28:27 | linuxstb_ | I'm without Mac. |
| 17:28:43 | Galois | http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Vmware_how_to ??? |
| 17:28:48 | * | GodEater gets confused between linuxstb* nicks |
| 17:29:04 | linuxstb_ | I'm not sure what happens if you double-click on a console app in the Mac OS X GUI though. |
| 17:29:11 | linuxstb_ | (or Linux for that matter...) |
| 17:29:35 | * | linuxstb_ should probably disconnect from IRC at home when he goes out |
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| 17:29:59 | GodEater | well on linux it will depend highly on your DE I imagine |
| 17:30:01 | linuxstb_ | There he goes. |
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| 17:31:12 | GodEater | it's not really possible for me to test double-clicking on a terminal app in my current DE for example. There's nowhere to double-click on. |
| 17:31:36 | GodEater | I *think* gnome / nautilus are clever enough to launch a terminal though |
| 17:31:41 | GodEater | can't speak for KDE |
| 17:31:47 | GodEater | or XFCE for that matter |
| 17:32:02 | * | GodEater looks to Mikachu for openbox advice |
| 17:33:42 | Mikachu | openbox is a window manager, not a desktop environment |
| 17:33:51 | linuxstb | I've just tried (a very old version of) Konqueror, and you seem to need to right-click, select "open with", and then "run in terminal" |
| 17:34:16 | Mikachu | many gui apps also output text on the console |
| 17:34:23 | Mikachu | so it's not really possible to autodetect |
| 17:34:29 | * | GodEater assumes people savvy enough to run linux / bsd won't need to double-click anyway |
| 17:34:59 | GodEater | Mikachu: good point - I'd not thought of that |
| 17:35:10 | GodEater | I think I may have imagined that case with gnome then |
| 17:35:34 | * | GodEater goes to try with nautlius |
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| 17:35:41 | Mikachu | you're not supposed to go in /usr/bin and double click things anyway |
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| 17:37:04 | GodEater | yeah - gnome currently has no option to run from terminal |
| 17:37:15 | GodEater | so double clicking does absolutely bugger all (that's visible to the user) |
| 17:37:32 | Mikachu | btw, you can use openbox as a wm in gnome if you want, their default wm is called metacity |
| 17:37:46 | Mikachu | if you double click on "yes" you'll make your computer a lot slower :) |
| 17:37:50 | Mikachu | or at least use more power |
| 17:37:55 | * | GodEater doesn't use Gnome. |
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| 17:38:21 | GodEater | E17 baby. (But I think we've had this conversation) |
| 17:38:45 | Mikachu | we might have :) |
| 17:38:52 | * | GodEater was pleased to see the addition of animated icons in a recent build |
| 17:39:42 | GodEater | not quite as pointlessly resource hungry as the "snow" and "flame" plugins |
| 17:40:10 | Vakio | Clicking terminal-only apps doesn't seem to do anything in Thunar (the Xfce file manager). |
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| 17:40:32 | GodEater | I think they don't even start because they don't get a proper STDIN/STDOUT |
| 17:40:33 | Vakio | Clicking on /usr/bin/iceweasel works like a charm, on the other hand. |
| 17:40:45 | * | GodEater starts the snow plugin (appropriate for today I think) |
| 17:41:22 | linuxstb | But yes, I think we can rely on Unix users (apart from Mac OS X) to be able to run a command-line program... |
| 17:42:13 | GodEater | I think for double-clickness in OSX you'll have to wait on rbutil |
| 17:42:20 | GodEater | or do some serious hacking on ipodpatcher |
| 17:42:48 | linuxstb | I'll find out tonight... Maybe there will be some kind of right-click option. |
| 17:42:53 | GodEater | right - I think I've got to scarper. Off to see Ed Byrne tonight. |
| 17:43:00 | GodEater | right click on a one button mouse.... |
| 17:43:05 | GodEater | that would be clever ;) |
| 17:43:08 | desowin | who runs applications by double clicking nowadays, there're .desktop files for it |
| 17:43:42 | GodEater | write us a .desktop file for ipodpatcher then |
| 17:44:01 | desowin | umm, it won't work everywhere |
| 17:44:08 | linuxstb | Where would it work? |
| 17:44:19 | jhMikeS | hmmm...switching MFDR helps about 1% on boost on the H120, worth it? |
| 17:44:33 | GodEater | it should work on all desktop.org DE's |
| 17:44:47 | GodEater | insert the word "compliant" in there |
| 17:45:06 | GodEater | right - gtg - later all |
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| 17:45:13 | desowin | btw. linux/bsd users can't use commandline ? |
| 17:46:19 | markun | no, the commandline was removed from bsd years ago |
| 17:46:26 | markun | riiight :) |
| 17:47:23 | desowin | for windows and mac os x - ideal would be gui, but on others - I don't think so |
| 17:47:44 | w1ll14m | desowin: i agree... gimme commandline :) |
| 17:47:55 | markun | desowin: sorry if I read your question out of context |
| 17:49:00 | linuxstb | desowin: I think we all agree Unix users should be capable of running a command-line app, we were just testing what happened... |
| 17:52:35 | w1ll14m | i feel like i have more control about things when i use commandline |
| 17:52:41 | w1ll14m | ;) |
| 17:52:53 | desowin | it's faster to use commandline |
| 17:53:04 | desowin | and easier, and better, and whatever |
| 17:53:13 | w1ll14m | you don't have to click the annoying 'next' button |
| 17:53:21 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 17:53:43 | w1ll14m | i never use UI's on linux |
| 17:53:47 | w1ll14m | GUI's * |
| 17:54:06 | desowin | well, for some apps GUI's are good |
| 17:54:18 | desowin | but not for something you run once |
| 17:54:35 | w1ll14m | that's true, but even then i roughter use commandline then gui |
| 17:54:53 | w1ll14m | because i don't even have a GUI :) |
| 17:55:08 | * | desowin wouldn't be able to live without xfce |
| 17:55:21 | w1ll14m | lol |
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| 18:10:51 | DataGhost | ok. What I found out today... on snow, it's perfectly possible and safe (well.. on this amount :P) to drive 100 kph |
| 18:10:57 | DataGhost | and my traction control is completely useless |
| 18:11:22 | DataGhost | I could only lose my grip when really slamming the brakes |
| 18:11:29 | DataGhost | and still only before ABS jumps in |
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| 18:11:56 | DataGhost | yet, everyone is terribly afraid of driving in this weather :/ |
| 18:12:06 | DataGhost | they should buy winter tires :P |
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| 18:12:26 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 18:12:35 | busa_blade | \join #gigabeat |
| 18:12:41 | busa_blade | oops |
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| 18:13:38 | DataGhost | weather warnings and everything... for 5cm of snow.. woohoo |
| 18:13:57 | DataGhost | the only retards I saw out on the road were those driving without any lights in fog+snow |
| 18:14:49 | busa_blade | anyone know where I can find info about getting the plugins working with the emulator? |
| 18:15:18 | linuxstb | Have you run "make install" ? |
| 18:15:54 | busa_blade | ok... I am officially a retard |
| 18:16:10 | busa_blade | *smacks self in head* |
| 18:16:28 | DataGhost | what |
| 18:16:35 | DataGhost | you drive in fog and snow without any lights lit on your car? |
| 18:16:51 | DataGhost | :P |
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| 18:19:12 | busa_blade | -* |
| 18:19:12 | busa_blade | :P |
| 18:19:26 | busa_blade | my gigabeat is on the way *sings songs of joy* |
| 18:20:40 | linuxstb | Anyone want to try the new, interactive ipodpatcher-0.8 for Windows? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-0.8.zip |
| 18:20:45 | linuxstb | Just unzip and double-click... |
| 18:20:49 | linuxstb | (and pray) |
| 18:21:53 | DataGhost | will it kill my harddrive if I try it without iPod attached? |
| 18:22:46 | w1ll14m | hehehe |
| 18:22:58 | linuxstb | I can't promise anything, but it doesn't for me. |
| 18:23:10 | DataGhost | /quit Connection reset by peer |
| 18:23:11 | DataGhost | :P |
| 18:23:23 | * | DataGhost searches for cable |
| 18:24:36 | DataGhost | seems to work |
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| 18:24:46 | DataGhost | but I dosn't wantz to install the rockbox loader |
| 18:24:47 | DataGhost | :P |
| 18:25:13 | linuxstb | You're allowed to say no. :) |
| 18:25:31 | desowin | wow |
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| 18:25:56 | DataGhost | yeah |
| 18:25:58 | DataGhost | but what will it do |
| 18:26:04 | DataGhost | install the loader? or ask me for a filename? |
| 18:26:11 | linuxstb | Just exit. |
| 18:26:11 | Lhademmor | I discourage people to use rockbox on iPod nano in its present form. I am unsure if it was rockbox or something else which murdered my nano. |
| 18:26:20 | DataGhost | no, when I say yes |
| 18:26:20 | DataGhost | :P |
| 18:26:37 | DataGhost | you came online just to say that Lhademmor? |
| 18:26:40 | linuxstb | The Rockbox bootloaders are embedded inside ipodpatcher.exe now, so it will install that. |
| 18:26:43 | toer | worked for me |
| 18:26:49 | DataGhost | usually if something doesn't work it's PEBKAC :P |
| 18:26:56 | DataGhost | ah ok linuxstb |
| 18:27:03 | DataGhost | commandline switches still work, right? :P |
| 18:27:07 | Lhademmor | DataGhost: Not really. Partly bitching, partly hoping someone could point out something I've missed |
| 18:27:11 | linuxstb | Lhademmor: If Rockbox murdered your Nano, it's the first ipod ever to have been. What's the problem? |
| 18:27:34 | DataGhost | rockbox doesn't murder anything, last time I checked anyway |
| 18:27:43 | DataGhost | it'll just punch your iPod in the nuts |
| 18:27:50 | DataGhost | which can be fixed in the hospital (iTunes) |
| 18:27:53 | Lhademmor | linuxstb: It doesnt' respond to anything at all. Like it's turned off and won't turn on - doesn't show anything while recharging or connecting to PC either |
| 18:28:13 | linuxstb | That's common for Nanos with very low battery. |
| 18:28:13 | DataGhost | and obviously you've tried to reboot it etc? |
| 18:28:27 | linuxstb | (well, all ipods with low battery). |
| 18:28:39 | linuxstb | You just need to charge, wait, and press MENU+SELECT occasionally. |
| 18:28:45 | linuxstb | (and make sure the hold switch is off) |
| 18:28:59 | Lhademmor | Tried rebooting it a couple of times and have had it recharging for a couple of days |
| 18:29:04 | DataGhost | oh yes, the infamous hold switch.. hehe:) |
| 18:29:29 | linuxstb | Maybe your cable is broken, meaning the ipod isn't charging... Or something similar. |
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| 18:29:51 | linuxstb | Are you charging with a PC, or via a wall-adapter? |
| 18:30:21 | linuxstb | Some people have also advised needing to hold MENU+SELECT for up to 30 seconds (being careful not to twitch) |
| 18:30:28 | Lhademmor | Both |
| 18:30:31 | w1ll14m | Lhademmor: if you are charging with pc, try another pc |
| 18:30:34 | w1ll14m | ow ok |
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| 18:31:25 | Lhademmor | Do I HAVE to hit MENU and SELECT at the absolutely same time, or is it okay to hold MENU and then press SELECT? |
| 18:31:26 | w1ll14m | it's almost impossible to damage hardware from rockbox |
| 18:31:47 | linuxstb | Lhademmor: You just need to hold them together, it doesn't matter if you press one first, but hold them both down. |
| 18:32:34 | Lhademmor | w1ll14m, maybe it's not caused by rockbox - I dunno, but I'm afraid my warranty is cancelled the moment I switch firmware? |
| 18:33:07 | w1ll14m | hmmm i think when the hardware is dead, they should replace it, but i'm not shure |
| 18:33:31 | linuxstb | If the hardware's dead, they won't know Rockbox is on. If the hardware isn't dead, then you're doing something wrong now... |
| 18:34:23 | w1ll14m | linuxstb: i thought something like that, but maybe they have some tools for direct checking it's memory.. would they go so far ????? |
| 18:34:24 | Lhademmor | Ah, cool. That was reassuring :) |
| 18:34:40 | w1ll14m | probably not... |
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| 18:34:50 | linuxstb | w1ll14m: Yes, they may do. But I would imagine they don't waste much time attempting to repair them. |
| 18:36:58 | Lhademmor | But since iPod nano + rockbox made a screwy "constant rebooting" when recharging I'm afraid that it could somehow have fried something |
| 18:37:15 | linuxstb | That bug was fixed a few days ago. |
| 18:38:07 | linuxstb | So you left your Nano doing that for long periods of time? |
| 18:38:44 | Lhademmor | No, I don't believe so |
| 18:39:29 | Lhademmor | One day I had it with me, listening to it. Then I shut it down because I had work to do, and when I tried to turn it on ~1 hour later it was dead |
| 18:45:53 | SaLoMoN | Put back the original mi4 file in the root dir. |
| 18:45:59 | SaLoMoN | is the root dir /SYSTEM? |
| 18:46:02 | SaLoMoN | or just / |
| 18:46:08 | SaLoMoN | on the sansa e200 |
| 18:46:49 | linuxstb | In general the root dir is / |
| 18:47:04 | linuxstb | I don't know anything about where mi4 files go on the sansa though. |
| 18:47:09 | SaLoMoN | ah |
| 18:47:16 | SaLoMoN | yeah its updating |
| 18:47:19 | SaLoMoN | :D |
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| 19:05:38 | w1ll14m | Lhademmor: i've had it once or twice... just reset ipod, sometimes it solves the prob |
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| 19:07:03 | linuxstb | A windows executable for the version of ipodpatcher I've just committed is here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-0.8.zip |
| 19:07:17 | linuxstb | Suggestions for the text ipodpatcher should display in interactive mode is welcome. |
| 19:07:30 | linuxstb | s/is/are/ |
| 19:08:50 | Llorean | linuxstb: Maybe "install/update" instead of just "install"? |
| 19:09:18 | Llorean | Actually, nevermind |
| 19:09:32 | Llorean | People might think that would mean it'd fetch a new version or something. |
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| 19:10:15 | linuxstb | Is it working for you though? |
| 19:10:52 | Llorean | I haven't tried it yet. |
| 19:10:57 | Llorean | I just looked for the new strings in the diff |
| 19:11:09 | linuxstb | I really thinking of what it can say (and this can be OS-specific) when ipods are not found. e.g. text about forcing your ipod into disk mode, needing administrator/root privileges, closing itunes etc etc. |
| 19:11:45 | Llorean | "The iPod was not accessible. Make sure to follow the instructions in the manual for properly connecting it and rerun this program." ? |
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| 19:12:49 | linuxstb | I would like to have at least some advice in ipodpatcher itself, and we could add "for further troubleshooting advice, see http://...." |
| 19:13:37 | Llorean | And meanwhile _my_ iPod seems to have escaped to somewhere. I'm afraid I can't test it at the moment. |
| 19:14:55 | mick | I'd like to resume the discussion about the Now playing entry in the main menu. |
| 19:14:57 | toer | linuxstb: it worked for me |
| 19:15:14 | linuxstb | toer: Thanks - which ipod? |
| 19:15:20 | toer | 3g |
| 19:15:32 | linuxstb | Does the original firmware start OK on the 3g/ |
| 19:15:33 | linuxstb | ? |
| 19:15:40 | mick | Markun understood me correctly: I think the title should change depending on whether music is currently plaing |
| 19:16:31 | toer | it did the few times i tried, i'm recharging it atm |
| 19:17:07 | mick | It's correct that even if it's not playing it will be plaing by then. But the entries should be meaningful at the moment they are displayed and not when the action has been executed. |
| 19:17:09 | linuxstb | No problem, I'm sure dan_a has said it's working fine on his 3g. I just wanted confirmation. |
| 19:17:33 | toer | the old ipodpatcher did not work for me so when it is recharged i will play some more with it |
| 19:17:46 | linuxstb | Yes, I only recently added 3g support for ipodpatcher. |
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| 19:19:19 | linuxstb | mick: I think I agree with you. It also means, that the "start screen" setting would include "Resume Playback" instead of "Now Playing", which is clearer. |
| 19:19:51 | Llorean | linuxstb: Works fine on my Nano. |
| 19:21:13 | linuxstb | Thanks. |
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| 19:22:46 | Llorean | linuxstb: Actually, nevermind, it doesn't |
| 19:22:53 | linuxstb | It doesn't? |
| 19:22:55 | Llorean | Nope |
| 19:23:04 | Llorean | I just noticed, the revision on my bootloader was the same as previously |
| 19:23:11 | linuxstb | Well, it's the same bootloader... |
| 19:23:26 | Llorean | Well, I just tried a -d, and the Rockbox bootloader is still there. |
| 19:24:03 | linuxstb | So "ipodpatcher -d" doesn't delete the bootloader? |
| 19:24:03 | Llorean | Oh, wait, nevermind |
| 19:24:06 | Llorean | I'm stupid |
| 19:24:16 | Llorean | I forgot that I don't have a main firmware image on the iPod right now |
| 19:24:30 | Llorean | So when I removed the bootloader, the other bootloader that had been -af'ed ran. |
| 19:24:35 | Llorean | err -wf'ed |
| 19:24:59 | linuxstb | OK... |
| 19:26:07 | Llorean | Sorry, I just forgot what I'd done to my iPod |
| 19:27:04 | linuxstb | No problem... |
| 19:27:44 | * | linuxstb has just had a corrupt thought... |
| 19:27:46 | Llorean | linuxstb: Okay, trying to restore my iPod to test, as I seem to be encountering troubles but it could be the things I've done |
| 19:28:50 | Llorean | linuxstb: Okay, it does NOT work on my Nano. |
| 19:28:50 | linuxstb | You could install rockbox.ipod with -wf, extract the apple_os, and call it rockbox.ipod and put that on your FAT32 partition, and then install the Rockbox bootloader, and then the Apple firmware would boot by default, with Rockbox booting when the hold switch was on... |
| 19:29:23 | Llorean | linuxstb: I restored a bootpartition.bin that was known good. Then I just ran ipodpatcher without parameters. |
| 19:29:29 | Llorean | I get something people in our forums might call a 'brick' |
| 19:29:36 | Llorean | It stays at the Apple logo, backlight off, and does nothing |
| 19:29:43 | Llorean | Disk mode still works fine, of course. |
| 19:30:39 | linuxstb | Hmm... |
| 19:30:52 | Llorean | Trying to manually add a bootloader now |
| 19:31:14 | Llorean | Nope. |
| 19:31:43 | linuxstb | After you restore your bootpartition.bin, what does "ipodpatcher −−list" tell you? |
| 19:32:05 | linuxstb | And have you tested booting your Nano after the restore? |
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| 19:33:26 | Llorean | linuxstb: Just as a note, the version of ipodpatcher.exe available at the download.rockbox.org works fine with the same bootloader.ipod file, just to verify my iPod is still okay. |
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| 19:33:39 | Llorean | The −−list shows the three partitions. |
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| 19:33:46 | Llorean | Main Firmare, RCSC, and AUPD |
| 19:34:02 | Llorean | Err RSRC |
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| 19:35:02 | linuxstb | After installing the bootloader with the previous ipodpatcher, does the new ipodpatcher work? (note that the bootloaders embedded in ipodpatcher are the ones on download.rockbox.org) |
| 19:35:21 | linuxstb | Maybe try a -d, followed by the new ipodpatcher. |
| 19:36:23 | Llorean | The new one -d 'ed fine. |
| 19:36:27 | markun | mick: but remember that the patch is still work in progress and small things like this can be changed at any time. |
| 19:36:50 | Llorean | But it failed to properly install the bootloader. |
| 19:37:23 | linuxstb | Llorean: OK... I have to go now, but I'll read the logs in an hour or two when I get home. I can also do some more testing myself there. |
| 19:37:29 | Llorean | If I have it -d after it 'bricks' the iPod, it works fine again. |
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| 19:38:12 | linuxstb | Llorean: OK, that's helpful. |
| 19:38:21 | linuxstb | bbl |
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| 19:51:33 | Llorean | What version of arm-elf-gcc do we get with the rockboxdev.sh? |
| 19:53:39 | markun | 4.0.3 |
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| 19:54:40 | Llorean | markun: Okay, good to know. |
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| 20:13:41 | Byron27 | can someone point me in the direction of how to install rockbox on my iriver 890? |
| 20:14:24 | bluebrother | iriver 890? |
| 20:14:42 | bluebrother | what kind of device is that? |
| 20:15:07 | Byron27 | it's a red thing that sorta looks like an elongated triangle |
| 20:15:15 | Byron27 | it's a lower capacity version of the 899 |
| 20:15:19 | bluebrother | then it's definitely not supported |
| 20:15:34 | bluebrother | Rockbox supports the players listed at the frontpage |
| 20:16:05 | bluebrother | I don't know anything about a 890 |
| 20:16:25 | bluebrother | And it doesn't seem to be simply a differently labeled player |
| 20:16:47 | Byron27 | Hmmm... interesting |
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| 20:18:10 | Llorean | The 8xx series are very similar to the 7xx series |
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| 20:18:40 | Llorean | If the 7xx port is ever finished, an 8xx port will probably immediately follow, since it *should* just require a few changes if my understanding is correct (the hardware is identical, I heard) |
| 20:18:44 | bluebrother | ifp700? |
| 20:18:47 | Llorean | But there's nothing usable for the 7xx or 8xx right now |
| 20:18:48 | Llorean | bluebrother: Yeah |
| 20:18:55 | bluebrother | ah. Ok. |
| 20:21:28 | Llorean | Byron27: Where did you get indication that the iFP-890 was supported, by the way? |
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| 20:27:14 | shodan | is there a way to make the diskmode animation less ugly ? |
| 20:28:29 | Llorean | There's no animation... |
| 20:28:48 | Llorean | It's a single image. You could edit it in the source, and recompile with a new image. |
| 20:29:48 | Byron27 | [13:27] <shodan> is there a way to make the diskmode animation less ugly ? <−−−− my friend Blair has an 899 and he said it was supported, but I am beginning to think he's full of it |
| 20:30:56 | Byron27 | I think it DOES have a UMS driver to make it work without their software, but I am thinking it doesn't support rockbox as you guys KNOW what you are talking about |
| 20:32:14 | Llorean | Both the iFP-700 and iFP-800 players have UMS firmware versions. They have some restrictions compared to the ones that user the iRiver manager. |
| 20:32:43 | shodan | oops I meant on a ipod video, in diskmode the interdiction sign blinks, that's what I meant by animation |
| 20:32:59 | Llorean | But there's no working Rockbox for the 800, and the one for the 700 is still quite limited. |
| 20:33:20 | Llorean | shodan: That's the Apple firmware, changing it has nothing to do with Rockbox |
| 20:34:34 | shodan | Llorean, before I installed rockbox, that sign was red and glassy , now it black and white, much smaller and pixelated (rough edges) |
| 20:34:56 | Llorean | shodan: Yes, because they're two different disk modes. |
| 20:35:16 | Llorean | But they're still both Apple disk mode. One is the software disk mode, and the other is the 'emergency' hardware disk mode. |
| 20:36:03 | shodan | ah k, that would be "fixable" only if rockbox had usb support right ? |
| 20:37:08 | Llorean | If Rockbox had USB support, it'd have its own USB screen. |
| 20:37:20 | Llorean | You wouldn't be 'fixing' the Apple one, you'd just never need to use it. |
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| 21:28:16 | Yallii | hey |
| 21:28:33 | Yallii | anyone got a quick link to those prebuild emulators? |
| 21:28:39 | Yallii | had it and now I can't find it :( |
| 21:28:42 | Llorean | Do you mean the simulators? |
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| 21:29:53 | Yallii | I guess so |
| 21:30:11 | Yallii | there's this page that has them for different types |
| 21:30:15 | Llorean | You... don't know what you want? |
| 21:30:28 | Yallii | I do know but I don't know what to call it ;) |
| 21:30:29 | Llorean | There's the emulator for the Sansa, that emulates the hardware. |
| 21:30:44 | Yallii | that's not the one I'm after |
| 21:30:45 | Llorean | Then there's the simulator, which is the user interface simulator, which fakes how Rockbox looks on various players, but does no hardware emulatoion. |
| 21:30:56 | Llorean | emulation |
| 21:30:58 | Yallii | that's what I'm looking for |
| 21:31:05 | Llorean | rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ |
| 21:31:05 | Yallii | the simulator then |
| 21:31:12 | Yallii | bookmarked! |
| 21:31:15 | Yallii | thank you very much |
| 21:31:18 | Llorean | They're specifically called Simulators because they very definitely are *not* emulators. |
| 21:31:47 | Yallii | another lesson learnt |
| 21:32:21 | Yallii | thanks Llorean |
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| 21:36:05 | webguest38 | Is the only way rockbox knows which plugins to view, run and so on the existance of the .rock files? |
| 21:36:22 | linuxstb | Llorean: I've tried the new ipodpatcher on my Color (in Windows) and my Video (in Linux), and they're both working, so I've no clues about your problem. |
| 21:37:17 | Llorean | linuxstb: If I dump a bootpartition.bin using the previous ipodpatcher with the current bootloader.ipod, it should be identical to one from the new ipodpatcher, right? |
| 21:39:04 | linuxstb | You mean a bootpartition.bin created with the previous ipodpatcher and bootloader-ipodnano.ipod, compared to a bootpartition.bin created by the new ipodpatcher with embedded bootloader? |
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| 21:39:33 | Llorean | linuxstb: Yes |
| 21:39:50 | linuxstb | Yes, they _should_ be identical. |
| 21:40:06 | Llorean | So, differences would have useful information. |
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| 21:40:45 | linuxstb | Yes. A dump of the result of running the new ipodpatcher with embedded bootloader would be useful. |
| 21:41:03 | linuxstb | (Just the first 10MB should be enough). |
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| 21:43:03 | * | linuxstb wonders if there are any Linux users with a Nano who can test the new ipodpatcher |
| 21:44:21 | Llorean | linuxstb: There's three bytes difference at 0x421C |
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| 21:45:38 | Llorean | Then there are no differences until ~5.5mb in. |
| 21:46:17 | linuxstb | 0x421c is the checksum (of the Apple firmware combined with the bootloader), and then 5.5MB is where the bootloader starts. |
| 21:47:13 | linuxstb | Did you say you get the "ipod support" screen, or does it just freeze on the apple logo? |
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| 21:47:40 | Llorean | Freeze on apple logo |
| 21:47:45 | Llorean | Backlight does not turn on |
| 21:48:07 | Llorean | Whatever's here isn't the bootloader, I don't think |
| 21:48:18 | Llorean | I'm pretty sure it doesn't contain the string "OriginatorReference" for example |
| 21:48:36 | linuxstb | Your bootpartition.bin contains that string? |
| 21:48:43 | Llorean | Yes |
| 21:48:52 | Llorean | In the area where the bootloader should be. |
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| 21:50:09 | linuxstb | OK, I think I have a clue what might be going on. I'll try something. |
| 21:50:41 | Llorean | Everything seems to be fine after the bootloader. After a point the rest of the files are perfectly identical |
| 21:50:43 | linuxstb | Did you say that using an external bootloader.ipod file also fails? |
| 21:51:47 | linuxstb | Also, how many differences are there? Does it look like the entire (about 65KB) bootloader is wrong, or just the start? |
| 21:52:40 | Llorean | An external bootloader.ipod also fails, yes. |
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| 21:53:58 | Byron27 | i can't get my iriver to talk to my computer!!!! |
| 21:54:00 | Llorean | linuxstb: There are ~61708 bytes of difference, which is almost exactly the size of the bootloader for Nano |
| 21:54:20 | Byron27 | the stupid manager software is not seeing the iriver |
| 21:54:37 | Llorean | linuxstb: And it doesn't look like it's just offset either, there's a lot of actual difference from the looks of it. |
| 21:54:59 | Llorean | Byron27: This is not a generic iRiver support channel. This is for Rockbox related stuff |
| 21:55:25 | Byron27 | okay, thanks :-) |
| 21:55:32 | Byron27 | just frusterated at this thing |
| 21:55:44 | Byron27 | I'll go punch a wall and not bug you guys with this |
| 21:55:48 | Byron27 | :P |
| 21:55:56 | Llorean | Or you could just contact iRiver support. |
| 21:56:06 | linuxstb | There's a simple solution - don't use the stupid manager software. |
| 21:56:32 | Llorean | linuxstb: The iFP-8xx requires it, unless you want to use a crippled version of the firmware. |
| 21:56:45 | Llorean | linuxstb: And I assume that's the player he's talking about, as it was earlier at least. |
| 21:58:27 | Llorean | linuxstb: The OriginatorReference part shows up more than once. And there's no signs of the strings that are actually *in* the Rockbox bootloader that I've spotted in the other file |
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| 22:00:38 | linuxstb | Can you try this version? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-0.8.zip |
| 22:01:57 | Llorean | Okay |
| 22:01:58 | Llorean | Testing |
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| 22:02:23 | Llorean | linuxstb: Works fine |
| 22:03:10 | Llorean | Ran it with no parameters, it added a bootloader for me, it worked, everything was happy. |
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| 22:07:23 | linuxstb | Llorean: OK. I'm not sure why, but at least it's working... I think the external bootloader install will still be broken though. |
| 22:07:40 | Llorean | What was wrong? |
| 22:08:34 | Llorean | linuxstb: And, adding an external bootloader just worked fine with it |
| 22:09:36 | linuxstb | Now that's odd... |
| 22:09:45 | linuxstb | That part of the code didn't change at all. |
| 22:10:24 | Llorean | Unless it's not actually using the external bootloader file? |
| 22:10:42 | Llorean | Or unless I did the test wrong the first time |
| 22:10:44 | Llorean | Which seems more likely |
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| 22:13:49 | Llorean | linuxstb: Hm, now it's not working. |
| 22:14:08 | linuxstb | What isn't working? The external file? |
| 22:14:11 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 22:14:19 | linuxstb | Yes, I've found the bug now. |
| 22:14:51 | Llorean | I seem to be having difficulty testing consistently right now. Heh. |
| 22:15:33 | linuxstb | I changed the point in the program where the bootloader was being copied to in-memory image of the new firmware. But in the case where the firmware has to be shuffled around (i.e. the first time you run it with a clean firmware partition), the copy of the bootloader was being overwritten. |
| 22:15:59 | Llorean | Aaaah |
| 22:17:23 | * | Domonoky is interessted in adding support for ipodpatcher in rbUtil, but i dont know how to integrate it best. Calling the binary or make use of the code directly.. |
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| 22:18:13 | Llorean | I would say call the binary, if the binary's gonna have embedded bootloaders. |
| 22:18:14 | linuxstb | I would like rbutil to use the code directly. |
| 22:18:24 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 22:18:40 | Llorean | RButil should then not use embedded bootloaders, but rather download them like it does the build. |
| 22:18:55 | linuxstb | Yes, I agree. |
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| 22:20:54 | mattzz | what would be a nice name for a maze-generation plugin? rockmaze? |
| 22:21:05 | mattzz | or simply maze? |
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| 22:22:00 | Domonoky | hm, but when i use the ipodpatcher code directly, i have to modify the ipodpatcher code.. (i think ) |
| 22:22:14 | Llorean | mattzz: Simply 'maze' |
| 22:23:13 | mattzz | agreed |
| 22:23:32 | Llorean | mattzz: If everything were named RockSomething, the list would be very, very irritating to scroll through |
| 22:23:48 | mattzz | first come, first serve ;-) |
| 22:23:59 | mattzz | Llorean: I see the point - it's valid. |
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| 22:25:08 | linuxstb | Llorean: Can you try again (same URL). This should fix both internal and external bootloaders. |
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| 22:27:46 | Llorean | linuxstb: Okay, about to try it |
| 22:30:13 | Llorean | Seems to work fine |
| 22:30:29 | linuxstb | Good. Thanks a lot for testing. |
| 22:32:28 | Llorean | Glad it's working. |
| 22:32:34 | * | petur is running rockboxdev.sh under ubuntu inside virtualbox :) |
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| 22:37:24 | Bagder | m7 |
| 22:37:59 | petur | 42 |
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| 22:42:35 | mattzz | OK, maze generator plugin patch is in the tracker: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6636 |
| 22:42:36 | mattzz | have fun. |
| 22:42:49 | mattzz | Screenshots: mattzz.dyndns.org/twiki/bin/view/Projects/RockboxMaze">http://mattzz.dyndns.org/twiki/bin/view/Projects/RockboxMaze |
| 22:43:06 | Bagder | neat |
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| 22:44:43 | markun | mattzz: looks nice |
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| 22:45:19 | linuxstb | Mac OS X is happy for me to double-click on the new ipodpatcher - it starts it in a terminal window. |
| 22:45:53 | mattzz | markun: thanks |
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| 22:50:10 | petur | mattzz: just a tip: I would replace the 'This is just another completely pointless plugin' with something more positive ;) |
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| 22:51:24 | mattzz | petur: you mean this is not a pointless plugin? :-P |
| 22:51:39 | petur | indeed ;) |
| 22:51:48 | Bagder | ... "Finally we get the ultimate maze plugin for Rockbox" |
| 22:51:59 | Bagder | and here's an idea for an improvement: |
| 22:52:01 | Bagder | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picture_maze |
| 22:52:03 | Bagder | :-) |
| 22:52:53 | Llorean | So, allow it to load .maze files, or something, and then let it leave a path behind you? (Or be able to show the path upon completion)? |
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| 22:55:35 | perl|work | maze! yay! |
| 22:56:48 | perl|work | rockbox cries for this though, http://www.digger.org/ |
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| 22:59:58 | Terinjokes | yay! rockboy! |
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| 23:01:11 | mattzz | petur: OK, I made the replacement. Marketing ain't my thing anyway... ;-) |
| 23:01:48 | Terinjokes | is everyone having good response with the new USB thing? Personally my nano just continues to boot into USB Mode |
| 23:02:09 | mattzz | Llorean: The maze solver will be added soon |
| 23:02:25 | petur | mattzz: I would watch out for spelling Bagders nick like that :p |
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| 23:03:12 | mattzz | petur: Aaaargh. |
| 23:03:37 | linuxstb | Terinjokes: When does it reboot into disk mode? |
| 23:03:53 | Terinjokes | linuxstb: when i plug in the wall-jack |
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| 23:04:23 | linuxstb | Do you have any other patches applied? |
| 23:04:30 | Llorean | Terinjokes: And what brand is your wall jack? |
| 23:04:35 | Terinjokes | Apple |
| 23:04:47 | Terinjokes | linuxstb: nope (never got around to it...) |
| 23:05:07 | linuxstb | So you run an official (i.e. unmodified) build? |
| 23:05:15 | Terinjokes | linuxstb: yep |
| 23:05:35 | Llorean | What SVN version does it say it is? |
| 23:06:21 | Terinjokes | r12236-070208 |
| 23:06:44 | * | Terinjokes suggest that 'version' not change to 'credits' after a while... |
| 23:07:25 | hachi | bleh desu |
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| 23:16:42 | * | petur wonders how long rockboxdev.sh takes under linux when building all |
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| 23:18:53 | Bagder | about three times longer than a single ;-) |
| 23:19:21 | petur | and probably a bit longer here because of VirtualBox |
| 23:19:39 | Bagder | true |
| 23:19:52 | petur | but it runs quite snappy |
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| 23:41:19 | Llorean | Bagder: I believe that rockboxdev.sh was how the VMWare image was created. Running it again, would it just overwrite with newer versions or is some measure needed to remove the old ones first? |
| 23:41:39 | Llorean | Err, not 'created' so much as 'set up' |
| 23:41:41 | Bagder | no, it'll overwrite the existing |
| 23:49:50 | Llorean | Bagder: rockboxdev.sh fails on the debian image. |
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| 23:54:04 | Llorean | I think it was just a lack of bzip2 though |
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