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#rockbox log for 2007-02-09

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00:06:52LloreanBagder: The VMWare image didn't use the default paths from so it doesn't overwrite the crosscompilers, it seems.
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00:09:22Genre9mp3Wondering... Since there's plenty of space on h100 rom and even more on h300 rom chip, wouldn't make sense having a special rombox image that includes ALL rockbox related files (codecs, codepages etc. and maybe a wps and a font as well) or this would be too much work for a very little amount of speed up?
00:10:23LloreanExecuting code from ROM is slightly slower than from RAM, isn't it?
00:10:55Genre9mp3I thought rombox was a bit faster than "rambox" ?
00:11:19LloreanI don't know, as I haven't tried it.
00:11:27LloreanBut I thought I was told that.
00:12:04Genre9mp3well I know that rombox adds a layer of safety as well...
00:12:24Genre9mp3but I think it should be faster, too (since it doesn't have to copy the fw to RAM first)
00:12:51LloreanBut the copying of the fm to RAM only happens once.
00:13:09LloreanWell, once per boot
00:13:16LloreanAfter which execution is faster, I believe.
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00:13:33Genre9mp3but I was wondering if it would make sense for other files to be flashed, too
00:13:43Genre9mp3besides *.iriver
00:14:14LloreanProbably not.
00:14:27LloreanI imagine executing the codecs from ROM at least would require a further rework of the playback system.
00:14:29LloreanA non-fun one.
00:15:02*mattzz rockbox has solved the first maze
00:15:27XavierGreven still, copying the codecs, plugins, fonts from rom to ram will eliminate all those hd spin ups
00:15:46LloreanXavierGr: The spinups that you *have* to have to load audio files into RAM?
00:15:48Mikachucopying codecs won't help a lot, you're already spun up from loading the file
00:16:06XavierGrLlorean: no fonts, plugins
00:16:32LloreanXavierGr: Which plugins? Do you pick and choose, because you can't fit them all? What about fonts? Which ones?
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00:16:50Genre9mp3plugins/viewers would benefit...
00:17:07XavierGragain, nothing in particular just imagining things
00:17:31Genre9mp3rocks/viewers are 1.85MB cutrrently for h300
00:17:43perl|perldownloading results in an error
00:17:44LloreanViewers wouldn't benefit by the way
00:17:47Mikachuviewers also need to load actual files
00:17:53LloreanViewers, like codecs, require a file on disk too.
00:17:53Mikachuonly plugins would be somewhat sensible
00:17:55perl|perlline 61
00:17:55Genre9mp3ah yes
00:18:08Mikachubut then they wouldn't be plugins
00:18:30XavierGrhmm even some games wouldn't benefit, if they have to read high scores and such
00:19:34LloreanBesides, how much flash is free with a hibernated dircache and database?
00:19:52Genre9mp3a lot...
00:20:12LloreanGenre9mp3: How much is 'a lot'?
00:20:24Genre9mp3the fw file is 400KB while the whole rom is 2MB for h100 and 4MB for h300
00:20:34LloreanGenre9mp3: Yes, but that's just the fw file.
00:20:46LloreanHow big is the dircache and database image, on average? Or is a specific amount reserved for it?
00:21:21linuxstbAren't they cached on disk?
00:21:34Genre9mp3Do we reserve flash space for dircache/database???
00:21:42Lloreanlinuxstb: With Rockbox-in-flash on the H100 series at least, it says they can be hibernated to improve bootup time.
00:21:44Genre9mp3I don't think so...
00:21:55LloreanI assume that means that they're stored in flash on shutdown so that they can be loaded without a disk spinup
00:22:04LloreanIt says "saves battery at startup" next to the hibernation feature.
00:22:08linuxstbLlorean: I think that's just because Rockbox then knows when the user has entered USB mode, and they need updating.
00:22:14Genre9mp3Llorean: I think that this has something to do with flags or something like that
00:22:34Genre9mp3not flashing dircache itself
00:22:43Lloreanlinuxstb: So why does it call it 'hibernating' them?
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00:23:20Genre9mp3besides it wouldn't make sense to do this... as it would have to flash and flash all over again when a file was being added/removed/changed
00:23:38LloreanGenre9mp3: Why would it have to reflash at any point but shutdown?
00:24:08Genre9mp3and after a USB connection, too
00:24:31LloreanAfter a USB connection it'd have to rescan, yes.
00:24:37LloreanBut you didn't answer my question.
00:24:40XavierGrthere was once a suggestion to move the dircache data to flash, but I don't think that it is implemented
00:24:44LloreanWhy do you think it'd have to reflash ever time a file changes?
00:24:50XavierGralthough maybe I am completely mistaken
00:25:02Genre9mp3Llorean: shouldn't update it then?
00:25:05LloreanSlasheri: Are you here? Maybe you can answer: What is dircache 'hibernation'
00:25:23XavierGrI am not sure myself that have a flashed H100
00:25:25LloreanGenre9mp3: No, dircache would still be in RAM, it'd be hibernated to flash on shutdown so a disk spinup isn't needed to load it next boot.
00:25:47LloreanGenre9mp3: Basically, imagine loading it from flash instead of from a file on disk, so that you don't have to spinup as soon, or use as much power.
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00:26:23Genre9mp3Llorean: you are right.. but even this why, I'm not confortable of the idea flshing the player on every shutdown
00:26:34w1ll14mLlorean: where is CPUFREQ_DEFAULT used for ?
00:26:52LloreanGenre9mp3: Why not? even if that flash portion is utterly corrupted it can't cause any negative effects.
00:27:09Genre9mp3But anyway, I don't think that this is the case currently
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00:27:32w1ll14mbecause it uses only (as far as i know) CPUFREQ_NORMAL and CPUFREQ_MAX
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00:28:25Domonokyi can not compile ipodpatcher under windows (not with cygwin) because IPOD_SECTORSZIE_IOCTL isnt defined for windows...
00:28:26LloreanGenre9mp3: It may not be, but if that's the case, 'hibernate' is a very bad word for what it does.
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00:29:02Genre9mp3Llorean: I agree on this
00:29:23Domonokyi want to compile it with Code::Blocks (MingW) because the rbUtil is bulit with that... (want to integrate ipodpatcher)
00:29:31LloreanGenre9mp3: But dircache seems a better thing to store off-disk than something as trivial as themes.
00:29:41MonkeyTamerIs there any way I can fix compiling for the debian image? Since last night, I've been getting errors with the elf gcc
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00:29:50LloreanMonkeyTamer: Just upgrade the arm-elf-gcc in it.
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00:30:26MonkeyTamercan I directly update it? I tried using the apt-get command, and it said I didn't access or something
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00:32:04MonkeyTameror if there are instructions for doing so, if you could point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it :)
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00:33:05Domonokyhm.. also there is no "sys/ioctl.h" in mingw. (and i dont get WxWidgets to work under Cygwin) :-(
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00:35:19Domonokylinuxstb do you know how to get ipodpatcher comiling under pure Windows (mingw with Code::Blocks) ?
00:36:10linuxstbNo. I cross-compile the win32 version of ipodpatcher using mingw in Linux.
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00:37:05Domonokyah :-)
00:37:19amiconnDomonoky: You need to use the windows specific code, not the posix code
00:37:53amiconnThe Makefile does this for the cygwin case, you need to do the same for mingw
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00:38:10Domonokyah.. ok.. i will have a look
00:38:24linuxstbAnd don't forget rbutil itself is cross-platform...
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00:39:43MonkeyTamerok, I think I had figured out how to update
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00:40:46*w1ll14m installs cross compiler and mingw
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00:42:38*w1ll14m looks at the clock and he just found out that it is time for a nice sleep :)
00:42:48w1ll14mcya all later dudez :)
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00:49:31webguest61are there any car radios that can do ogg/flac playback?
00:50:43Mikachuif you put an ogg player with an fm sender next to them maybe :)
00:51:20dewdudesender? the proper term is transmitter
00:52:00Mikachuclose enough
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00:53:14webguest61a transmitter that send signals
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00:55:34dewdudeyes..a transmitter that doesn't send signals isn't a transmitter
00:57:04JdGordonhey all, anyone with a recorder still around?
00:57:27JdGordonhave you got the latest svn on it?
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00:57:52mattzznot yet but this is a matter of a few seconds. How can I be of any help?
00:58:23JdGordoncan you try and reproduce please?
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00:59:42mattzzJdGordon: compile is running...
00:59:47linuxstbDomonoky: You may find my latest ipodpatcher commit helpful. I've started to move the command-line specific parts of ipodpatcher into a new main.c, leaving ipodpatcher.c as a sort of library.
01:00:04Domonokythats good..
01:00:19JdGordonmattzz: ta
01:01:00linuxstbDomonoky: The only thing that's really left are the error/info messages.
01:01:58Domonokyfine, i still struggle a bit with this wxWidgets... :-(
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01:04:10mattzzJdGordon: I dont get it, how to reproduce this
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01:05:34JdGordonmattzz: im not sure... I dont entirly understand the post.. but i just woke up...
01:05:46JdGordonill play in the sim later if you cant figure it out
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01:06:57mattzzJdGordon: I understand the post in this way: play music, enter file browser with "on", leave file browser with "on". Then there should be a "last line"?!
01:07:19JdGordonisnt it eneter and leave with the f1 button?
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01:07:37mattzzah, no.
01:07:52mattzzJdGordon: I understand the post in this way: play music, enter file browser with "on", leave file browser with "on". NOW enter F1 or F2 menu. Then there should be a "last line"?!
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01:09:47mattzz(done w/ recent svn build and the cited WPS an AJR-20)
01:10:34JdGordonok thanks
01:11:09mattzznp. maybe it's depending on a specific font?
01:12:20perl|perlwhat might the reason of getting an error from any cygwin server when installing
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01:14:32JdGordonpebkac ? ID-10-t errors? heaps of reasons
01:15:11dewdudeperl|perl, what server and what kind of error?
01:15:27perl|perlfrom ttp:// its the parse errro (null) line 61: syntax error, unexpected STRING, expecting NL
01:15:57perl|perlfollowed by (do you have the latest setup?)
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01:16:22linuxstbDo you?
01:16:33perl|perlit was all good in the morning
01:16:46perl|perlnow i wanted to update the arm gcc
01:16:54perl|perland this all im getting
01:17:06dewdudeyeah, i don't use cygwin...
01:17:17dewdudevmware or a real linux box is a better option
01:17:46perl|perlunles they released a newer version now but the cygwin is not updated?
01:18:49perl|perlim getting that error from any mirror now
01:19:25perl|perlok, one random one worked
01:21:09perl|perlstops on that
01:21:16perl|perlwith that error
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01:24:00perl|perlwould somebody with cygwin mind to try
01:28:23rotatorperl|perl: I had the same error, but I hit okay and it worked anyway
01:28:35dewdudeperl|perl, is there any specific reason you're using cygwin?
01:28:40rotatorso, dunno *shrug*
01:29:06perl|perldewdude well, windows...
01:29:16dewdudeperl|perl, that's a lazy excuse. there's vmware.
01:29:44dewdudethere's even a vmware image that's preconfigured for rockbox development
01:30:05perl|perloh i never really looked into it
01:30:12perl|perljust got used to cygwin
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01:32:07perl|perlrotator well it works with other mirrors
01:32:14perl|perlnot with the rockbox one
01:32:34perl|perljust goes back to the mirrors list
01:32:40perl|perlafter the OK on error
01:32:49*linuxstb wonders if it's the recent change to give all files on the server the application/octet-stream mime type instead of text/plain
01:33:38perl|perllooks nice
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01:38:48DataGhostargh! I made a major breakthrough and then everyone is offline :(
01:38:54DataGhostI have working fat32 reads on the 80GB :D
01:39:26BiptoNVERY AWSOME!
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01:39:48DataGhostoh. with ipodlinux by the way... I still forget to mention that all the time
01:40:09DataGhostbut there were a few people in here following those developments as well
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01:40:54thegeekstill cool just not super awsome;P
01:41:20JdGordonDataGhost: congrats
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01:42:40JdGordonso you shold have rockbox working then in what? 15min ? :D
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01:43:16hachiDataGhost: willing to accept your patches, in whatever form they are in
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01:43:42DataGhostthey are in crappy form, toss errors to you and break any compatibility with other iPod models
01:43:47DataGhostI have to tinker around a little more, though :P
01:44:03DataGhostwell JdGordon the point is.. rockbox uses a completely different implementation
01:44:05Mikachuif you give linus some beer you'll have 80gb support in rockbox in no time
01:44:17DataGhostthe linux kernel can do fat32 reads without any problem... it just never read the header correctly
01:44:27DataGhostonce it read that, everything is automatic
01:44:52hachiprobably because of cluster sizes I assume, so the reads are always aligned to something like a 4k boundary
01:45:22DataGhostnot just that but it plainly refuses to read just 1 sector in this case
01:45:53DataGhostoh and since this change is done in a 'rw' function I dare not release this until at least I've tested it thorougly :P
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01:46:09DataGhostI just had that feeling that it would eat my drive or something
01:46:24hachibah, I don't care... like I keep anything important on my ipod :)
01:46:42DataGhostme neither but it's a PITA having to upload my music again for 2 damn hours
01:46:46MonkeyTamerhm... I updated and upgraded the debian, but it still claims that I have elf-gcc 4.0.2
01:46:56DataGhostlogout and login again
01:47:04DataGhostor check your path
01:47:11MonkeyTamerok, I'll try that
01:47:14JdGordonMonkeyTamer: fixed the arm-elf-gcc link?
01:47:15DataGhostor in gentoo, there's gcc-config (well, I think that's a gnu tool by the way)
01:47:18DataGhostoh wait elf
01:47:23DataGhostthen you'll have to check your path I think :P
01:47:25hachimight be getting elf-gcc from /usr/local/bin, instead of /usr/bin, perhaps?
01:47:44MonkeyTamerI'm working on it still lol
01:47:57Steelehas anyone charged their iPods with a ps2?
01:48:43hachiI wish linux 2.6 ran on the ps2, I'd totally still be running linux on it
01:48:47MonkeyTamernever tried that
01:48:51Mikachuget a ps3 ;)
01:49:08Steeleyou can run linux on a ps2? =O
01:49:27perl|perlthis is the error line
01:49:28perl|perlinstall: release/arm-elf-gcc/arm-elf-gcc-4.0.3-1.tar.bz2 5979025 a22d2c72d1e9ac1
01:49:31MonkeyTamerI've heard people running linux on just about anything
01:49:45hachiit was officially sanctioned and released by sony
01:49:56hachiI have it at home, it's a bitch to set up
01:50:05MonkeyTamerI've even heard of some rudimentary versions on a washing machine
01:50:10Steelewhat do you mean error line?
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01:50:47perl|perl[19:15] <perl|perl> from ttp:// its the parse errro (null) line 61: syntax error, unexpected STRING, expecting NL
01:50:47perl|perl[19:16] <perl|perl> followed by (do you have the latest setup?)
01:51:14Steeleits not free tho? cus if not, nvm.
01:51:20Steeleim a cheap bastard =D
01:51:33hachiI didn't buy the kit, I made my own :)
01:51:45MonkeyTamerhm.. eterm won't open
01:51:55perl|perlline 61 is
01:51:56perl|perlinstall: release/arm-elf-gcc/arm-elf-gcc-4.0.3-1.tar.bz2 5979025 a22d2c72d1e9ac1
01:52:22Steelei have no clue what you are saying man
01:52:56perl|perlits about setup cygwin from
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01:53:12MikachuSteele: then why are you replying to him?
01:53:26Steelei thought he was telling me how to get linux on my ps2.
01:53:52BiptoNget an xbox instead
01:54:18Steelewhat are some plug ins that you guys have extra on rockbox?
01:54:20perl|perlcan i just overwrite files from arm-elf-gcc-4.0.3-1.tar.bz2 ?
01:54:34DataGhosthey Llorean how was linus doing with the fat32 reads on rockbox? (80GB)
01:54:42Steeleexcluding linux, cus that's a little hard to install.
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01:56:06hachiI appreciate the concept of loader2, but it puzzles me so
01:56:09Steelewhat are some plug ins that you guys have extra on rockbox?
01:56:45Steelei just use the regular loader that loads rockbox normally, and the original OS when hold is on
01:56:56LloreanSteele: All the official plugins are included.
01:57:05LloreanDataGhost: I honestly don't know, sorry.
01:57:06DataGhostwhat's puzzling about it hachi?
01:57:10hachiSteele: sorry, I'm not speaking at you
01:57:11DataGhosthm ok Llorean
01:57:43Steelei meant plugins that aren't official.
01:57:44DataGhostI'll ask him tomorrow if i've beaten him, then :P
01:57:45hachiDataGhost: it works... but it seems to be unable to read my config file for it
01:58:03DataGhoststrange hachi... which version, which iPod?
01:58:15hachiDataGhost: it can load the rockbox.ipod firmware into ram and launch it
01:58:27hachisubversion from like... saturday?
01:58:30LloreanSteele: Anything else can pretty much be found in the patch tracker, though you'll mostly need to be able to compile.
01:58:35hachiand I'm on a 5.5 80gb
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01:58:42DataGhostah that would be the one I modified then
01:58:42LloreanSteele: There really aren't many. Most people try to get their plugins included.
01:58:47DataGhostbut how is it not reading your config file?
01:59:00Steelewhat do you mean by compile? sorry for all the questions, just a lil n00b :P
01:59:06hachiI set colors in it, and it does nothing with them... as far as I can tell
01:59:10DataGhostbecause it *SHOULD* work on the 80GB more than on any other iPod (since it was developed to fix issues with the 80GB :P)
01:59:14LloreanSteele: Google 'compile'.
01:59:20DataGhosteh. I don't know about that
01:59:22Steelelol K
01:59:30DataGhosttry adding extra menu entries? :) then you'll see what's going wrong
01:59:45DataGhostalso, where did you put that file and what's it's name?
02:00:23hachion the fat32 partition... and I'm looking now
02:00:31hachiI read the source to try and figure out where to put it
02:00:51DataGhostit should work from the fat32 partition... I just think you misnamed it :P
02:01:08DataGhosthm that should be allright
02:01:16DataGhostand your rockbox file is on the fat32 partition too?
02:01:16hachiin /
02:01:26DataGhostso it can read it
02:01:41hachidoes it understand tabs... maybe it doesn't
02:02:03DataGhosteh... not sure.. I think it does, but change them into spaces anyway :)
02:02:40hachiwell hell, that's it
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02:05:08hachiI am happy now, very happy
02:05:25hachidoes ipl have any trick like... being able to plug in a usb keyboard with the adaptor?
02:08:30*Llorean points out this is #Rockbox
02:08:40Mikachuit's not polite to point, Llorean
02:08:47*hachi switches windows
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02:29:43DataGhost <- to anyone who is interested :P
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03:20:23SoapAnyone here all that familiar with the iPod Minis?
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03:21:09SoapI'm curious if the first generation mini can take the same battery as the Second generation mini - or if the 2nd Gen's longer runtime is due to the 5022 compared to the 5020.
03:27:48dewdudeknowing apple...they don't take the same battery
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03:30:08LloreanWouldn't the easiest solution be to see if sites sold G1/G2 mini batteries, or if they were separate items?
03:30:57SoapI guess I phrased the question wrong, totally wrong.
03:31:56SoapI don't care if they can take the same battery - I'm curious if they were shipped with the same capacity battery, or if the 5022 (or other hardware tweaks) was responsible for the battery life difference.
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03:34:05SoapI only found conflicting information, little of it consistant, and daddy Apple talks of runtime but not honest specs.
03:34:28LloreanI don't think we know.
03:36:52SoapI want a flash-player, not the nano, and the idea of dropping a CF card into a mini has been tempting me. The idea that I can beat the **** out of a mini, trash the HD, THEN put a cheap CF card in it is even more tempting.
03:40:16dewdudeCF cards will work in a mini?
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03:46:54Soapsome will.
03:48:45dewdude...i know what i would do tho..i'd modify the case so i could swap CF cards
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03:52:42Lloreandewdude: Unless you got Rockbox into flash on the iPod, each CF card would have to be pre-prepared to boot Rockbox.
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03:53:24dewdudeLlorean, yes. i thought of that as soon as i thought of the swapping card idea
03:53:55SoapAll the non-portaplayer targets are too expensive or too huge. :(
03:54:19Soap(too expensive to turn into a "beater")
03:54:31LloreanSoap: Or are the Ondio, and impossible to find.
03:54:35dewdudethe only factor that determined my ipod purcahse aside from rockbox support was the fact it was the easiest one to obtain
03:56:11dewdudeand while i don't abuse my ipod's pretty well protected from further scratches
03:58:43Soapmaybe I'll just wait for the Sansa.
03:59:10dewdudei saw one of those. i'm diffently open to the idea now of another rockbox compatible player
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04:00:25JdGordonLlorean: did you have a look at the root patch before it went out of sync?
04:00:32JdGordonroot menu patch*
04:03:37LloreanJdGordon: No, I haven't looked at it yet, sorry.
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04:07:18*Soap still doesn't grok the whole root menu thingie. Is it going to happen - or is it just getting kicked around?
04:08:16LloreanSoap: It's going to happen, so long as it doesn't end up fading away before completion.
04:08:40LloreanjhMikeS: I think someone needs to smack all those people who want a bug fixed, but can't be bothered to provide feedback on attempted fixes so you know if you're getting anywhere.
04:09:05LloreanSoap: I'm pretty sure everyone's on board with it, so long as it's implemented properly.
04:09:53SoapI've been very busy and have fallen behind on my reading.
04:11:03Soap(also been playing around with very silly compile-time splashscreen creation)
04:12:07JdGordonSoap: yeah, everyone likes the idea.. the only thing holding it back is the english for the various items... and which items move out of the main menu into the root one
04:13:14*JdGordon hopes to resync it today, if time permits
04:13:24Soapwhere is the best place to read/comment on such matters? The mailing list, the wiki page, or the forums?
04:14:19Soap(or is the answer to that question simply "Yes"?)
04:14:59LloreanSoap: I don't think there's been any non-IRC discussion of the Root Menu concept yet, or at least not much
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04:22:12jhMikeSLlorean: thanks for the support. I feel a bit better
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04:29:04jhMikeSif they met me personally I doubt they'd dare try that crap :)
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04:31:31Terinjokesthe new USB update is very dangerous
04:31:55TerinjokesIt really should be an option
04:33:59Terinjokesi'm sure many people charge their ipods by plugging the USB into their directv box (hell, why not, its turned on 24/7), however with the new USB driver, it will now crash the directv box, sending it into an endless boot-loop (and the ipod ironically enters a reboot-loop as well)
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04:35:36Terinjokeseven when holding 'menu' when plugging in the USB cable reset the box
04:35:51Terinjokes(me wonders how he is going to charge the ipod now)
04:36:07LloreanYou could actually plug it into something you're *supposed* to plug it into
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04:36:10LloreanLike a computer or a charger.
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04:36:32TerinjokesLlorean: i don't have a wall charger, and can't charge from the computer
04:36:46LloreanYour computer doesn't have USB ports?
04:37:03Terinjokesit does, just its not possible to charge from the lappy
04:37:18LloreanWhy did you buy an MP3 player that can only charge from USB? What would you have done if the retail firmware wouldn't charge from the DirectTV box?
04:38:07TerinjokesLlorean: i knew the retail firmware charged from the directv box (so does my cell phone and pda)
04:38:15daurnfor the fashion
04:38:19LloreanTerinjokes: You tested someone else's iPod first?
04:38:34LloreanAnyway just boot your iPod into the retail OS then
04:38:35daurnTerinjokes: just buy a powered usb hub
04:38:48Terinjokesdaurn: how would that help?
04:38:58LloreanIf your iPod's turned off, and the hold switch is on, when you plug it into the DTV box, it'll boot into the retail firmware first.
04:39:17Terinjokesyes Llorean that what i ended up doing
04:39:42Terinjokesjust figured i'll report the problem, in case someone can see a better solution
04:40:15LloreanAnyway, what are the USB ports on the DirectTV box actually for, specifically?
04:40:52Terinjokesprobably for the directv maintance people, so they can reflash the system or test junk
04:41:04TerinjokesIDK really
04:41:10LloreanSo, you're using them for an unintended purpose and complaining because their software doesn't handle it well?
04:41:14scorchethey are typically for addons
04:41:31scorchein other words, adding wi-fi to the box or something like that
04:41:33LloreanThere could very well be *nothing* wrong with Rockbox's code, except for the fact that you're plugging the iPod into something it shouldn't be.
04:42:03LloreanI'd be interested to know if your iPod in the Apple firmware goes into disk mode while plugged in, or just charges without showing the connection screen though.
04:42:18TerinjokesLlorean: jumps the a 'charging' screen
04:42:34Terinjokesjumps to*
04:42:42LloreanWhich 'charging' screen do you mean?
04:42:51jhMikeSanyhew, If petur's around and I don't see him and he wasn't aware of that update, before he goes taping shortly, I recommend he use that latest one.
04:42:54Terinjokesa big green charging battery
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04:43:41kayashaany now how to put video on a iriver h10
04:44:16TerinjokesLlorean: any ideas?
04:44:24LloreanTerinjokes: Yes, don't plug your iPod into it.
04:44:54Terinjokesthat seems like a lazy solution... :P
04:45:09LloreanTerinjokes: Okay then: Code a solution.
04:45:22LloreanTerinjokes: You're the one who wants to use two pieces of hardware together that really aren't meant to be. So you solve the problem.
04:45:39Lloreankayasha: See the PluginMpegplayer page on the wiki.
04:46:02TerinjokesLlorean: the USB driver is suppose to detect between a wall charger and a computer, correct?
04:46:17LloreanTerinjokes: Yes, and the DirectTV box probably is registering as a computer.
04:47:54TerinjokesAs it is (it runs linux), but shouldn't the rockbox have an option to turn off USB mode, so it automagically goes into a charging only option (ie, what used to happen when you held 'menu' when plugging in a USB)
04:48:20kayashaneed to be in mpeg
04:48:31LloreanTerinjokes: When you plug in the Rockbox'ed iPod, what does it do before the DTV box crashes?
04:48:37Lloreankayasha: The page explains what you need to do...
04:49:05TerinjokesLlorean: the rockbox or the DTV?
04:49:17LloreanTerinjokes: The iPod.
04:49:30LloreanYou don't use pronouns before the nouns they represent.
04:50:00TerinjokesLlorean: I'm a sticker, surprised i let myself write that
04:50:52LloreanSo, does Rockbox show the USB logo or not?
04:51:25TerinjokesLlorean: rockbox freezes for a long moment, shows the USB icon, shuts the backlight off, reboots into disk mode, says 'Do Not Disconnect', then says 'Ok to Disconnect', then reboots into a loop (since the DTV 'disconnects' when it crashes)
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04:51:49LloreanTerinjokes: Which means that Rockbox is detecting it as a computer.
04:52:10LloreanIn which case it does what it's always done when USB has been plugged in.
04:52:23LloreanIf you hold Menu down, it also does what it used to do when you held Menu down.
04:53:52Terinjokesyes, rockbox doesn't reboot, but it still (somehow) crashes the DTV
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04:54:41LloreanIt doesn't crash the DTV. The DTV crashes itself when it can't handle whatever's coming across the USB.
04:55:20LloreanIt's still a problem with the DTV getting something unexpected across the USB, it's just a question of what, but since it doesn't seem to crash regular computers, I would suggest that it's probably simply because you're doing something you shouldn't.
04:55:51TerinjokesLlorean: but it has to do with something with rockbox, since OF doesn't cause the crash
04:56:08LloreanYes, but that doesn't *mean* that Rockbox is doing something wrong.
04:56:10LloreanJust something different.
04:56:27LloreanWhether that something different is wrong, or just something that's still okay but unexpected by the DTV box remains to be seen.
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04:57:04Terinjokestrue, but if in 'menu'-held mode, it should only identify itself as something needing juice, and not send over the USB code
04:57:36Terinjokessimiler to when I plugging i USB-powered light, for example
04:58:01Terinjokesor my cell phone/PDA
04:58:08LloreanRockbox doesn't have enough control over the USB to have it "identify itself"
04:58:15LloreanRockbox doesn't do anything like that.
04:58:55TerinjokesLlorean: there is still something different now, then before... what it is IDK, but its certainly something to look into
04:59:04LloreanTerinjokes: Only if it's wrong.
04:59:27TerinjokesLlorean: it might not be wrong, but if its something fixible...
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04:59:39LloreanTerinjokes: You don't "fix" something that's not broken.
05:00:00TerinjokesLlorean: you might want to tell a few software/hardware companies that then...
05:00:18Terinjokesanyways, i got to go to bed, i'll look into it tomorrow
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05:00:23LloreanThe very definition of the word 'fix' requires that there be something broken
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05:03:22MonkeyTamereterm doesn't seem to open for me after upgrading...
05:03:33LloreanUpgrading how?
05:03:46MonkeyTamerusing vmware
05:03:52MonkeyTamerand the debian
05:03:57LloreanNo, I mean *how* did you perform the upgrade? What did you do?
05:04:03MonkeyTamerapt-get upgrade
05:04:08MonkeyTamerafter logging
05:04:21LloreanWell then you may have broken something.
05:04:39MonkeyTamerthat's not good..
05:04:39LloreanDid you know what you were doing?
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05:05:07MonkeyTamerto be honest... no... I was trying to be self sufficient in upgrading the elf-arm myself...
05:05:14MonkeyTamerer updating
05:05:25LloreanSo you didn't ask for help, but instead just guessed at something to do?
05:05:34MonkeyTamerI tried, but people were busy
05:06:06MonkeyTamerI did try to ask you earlier actually, but I didn't want to be too persistent
05:06:09Lloreanapt-get upgrade tries to upgrade the whole debian installation, and is pretty much unrelated to the cross-compilers we use.
05:06:37MonkeyTamerwhat function would I use then?
05:06:51LloreanYou'd need to use the script (which actually installs things to a different directory to where they are now, but you can just remove the old one and rename the new one and you're set)
05:07:35LloreanAfter running it, you'd have /usr/local/arm-elf (the new folder) and you need to remove /usr/local/arm and then rename arm-elf to arm, and you're done.
05:09:02MonkeyTameris the script separate, or integrated already in a function?
05:09:30LloreanI don't even know what you're asking with that.
05:09:35LloreanIntegrated already in a function?
05:09:50***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
05:09:53MonkeyTamerI mean do I have to download anything, or is part of "apt-get" or another command
05:10:21LloreanOkay, get a clean debian image, and check out the Rockbox sources (a clean image to fix your eterm woes)
05:10:32LloreanGet into the /tools/ folder in the Rockbox sources.
05:11:12MonkeyTamergot it
05:12:21LloreanOkay, once you're in the /tools/ folder, type each line here, one at a time. I may have missed a couple yes/no style questions.
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05:12:48LloreanIt may take quite some time for the script to finish
05:13:14LloreanWhen you're done and do arm-elf-gcc −−version it should say 4.0.3
05:14:02scorcheactually, i believe you have to add it to your path first
05:14:28Lloreanscorche: Not if you follow my instructions
05:14:48Lloreanscorche: Instead of adding it to the path, I just remove the old one that's already in the path, and put mine where it expects it to be.
05:14:48scorcheah...i see
05:15:05scorcheyeah...i skipped that linefor some reason
05:15:20LloreanIt seemed the easiest way since the paths were already all set
05:15:59MonkeyTamerthanks by the way for your patience
05:16:37LloreanMonkeyTamer: I'll have one more step for you to do if you do get 4.0.3 as the version by the way
05:16:47LloreanBut it's just more or less cleanup
05:17:02MonkeyTamercertainly, I'll be ready in about 5 minutes or less
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05:22:20tchanquestion about rockbox on gigabeats: Why does Main Menu, Playlist Options, Create Playlist from the "root" successfully create root.m3u8, BUT the list is sorted in a very strange way. Its by album, but each album's songs seem shuffled ?
05:24:05LloreanShuffled, or just out of order in clumps?
05:24:31tchanThe songs seems shuffled for each album
05:24:50LloreanBecause that option creates the playlist with the files in the order they're found on disk, which often means the order they were copied over, which can often depend on the order they were in in their folder before being copied over.
05:25:34tchanahh, okay. Can I create a root playlist that is sorted alphabetically by album then title ?
05:26:38LloreanI'm not really sure what would be the best way to do that.
05:27:12tchanespecially since I named all the song for each album to have the track number as the 1st part of each song name
05:27:48LloreanReally it's uncommon for them to be entirely shuffled
05:28:04tchanlike 01.songname, 02.songname,
05:28:04LloreanUsually it'll be things like track 1, 10, 11, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
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05:28:21tchanall the track have two digit numbering
05:28:52LloreanAnd what happens if you just insert a single album's folder into a playlist?
05:31:04tchansorry I'm having trouble figuring out how to do that, inserting a single album's folder into a playlist (still a rockbox newbie)
05:31:35LloreanClick and hold on the folder, then choose Playlist, then Insert
05:31:39LloreanMake sure shuffle is not on, of course
05:32:04tchanyup shuffle is off and repeat is off
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05:32:48LloreanSo what happens when you insert a single album's folder?
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05:33:24tchanI've clicked on a single folder,chosen playlist and inserted and rockbox says its inserted the 14 songs in this folder
05:33:36Lloreanyes, but what order are they in?
05:34:04tchansorry, how do I see the newly inserted playlist's order ?
05:34:35LloreanIn the main menu you can choose to view the current playlist under Playlist Options I believe
05:35:28tchanthat worked and a single's album inserted all the songs correctly in order 01..14
05:35:55MonkeyTamerdo I type: ./ in the home/user path?
05:36:15LloreanMonkeyTamer: You should be doing it in the tools folder.
05:36:23LloreanMonkeyTamer: I told you to be in the tools folder before starting that.
05:36:24MonkeyTameroops sorry I had forgotten
05:36:41Lloreantchan: Is your music all in one /music/ folder?
05:36:51LloreanLike /music/Artist/Album/Track.mp3?
05:37:12tchanyes, /music/Album/01Track.mp3
05:37:37LloreanThen to create a playlist like you want, Stop, then click and insert the Music folder while music is stopped
05:37:40LloreanThen just save that playlist
05:38:02jhMikeShey, where do I get that Do I _really_ need a clean debian image? Rrrr...don't wanna set everything up from scratch again.
05:38:23LloreanjhMikeS: No, he just broke something
05:38:50LloreanjhMikeS: apt-get install bzip2, run the in the /tools/ folder of the sources.
05:38:51jhMikeSLlorean: The sh is in the wiki somewhere now?
05:39:27LloreanjhMikeS: It'll install arm-elf-gcc to /usr/local/arm-elf, since the old one was in /usr/local/arm, just mv the old folder away, and then rename/mv arm-elf to arm, and you're done.
05:39:41LloreanjhMikeS: The is in the tools folder.
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05:39:52jhMikeSoh, silly me :P
05:39:57LloreanOr you could play with the paths to make them fit.
05:40:04LloreanBut I decided the mv option was the easiest for me.
05:40:26jhMikeSheh, ok I see it. thanks.
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05:45:52ppeomhi all..
05:46:09ppeomsombody know this error ?
05:47:36jhMikeSLlorean: does the script require that my current directory be anything in particular?
05:48:08LloreanjhMikeS: Not as far as I'm aware.
05:48:27LloreanDid it fail?
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05:48:51jhMikeSI didn't even try running it before knowing, soon to find out :)
05:48:59LloreanjhMikeS: did you install bzip2 first?
05:49:17jhMikeSyes, that's done
05:49:41jhMikeSuse 'all' ?
05:50:00LloreanYou just need A
05:50:12LloreanThe other two, I believe, haven't changed version
05:50:46jhMikeSok, it's getting 12MB
05:51:06LloreanThat'll be binutils. It'll grab GCC, which is bigger, next.
05:51:16jhMikeS32 now
05:53:53jhMikeSI hope I don't run out of room while it's working. says 146MB is free...sufficient?
05:54:52LloreanI don't know.
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05:55:27jhMikeSI'm getting lots of error with .java such file or directory
05:56:20jhMikeShrm...better move thing space left on device and try again
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06:07:17perldiveri had no lick updating from cygwin on
06:07:55ppeomwho's know that's error?
06:09:15MonkeyTameryou need to update the elf-arm
06:10:41ppeomelf-arm update?
06:10:55MonkeyTameryou're using cygwin?
06:11:26MonkeyTamerI know there's a threat regarding that; I am unsure how to update it by itself
06:11:27ppeomI'm compile using cygwin..
06:12:09ppeomthank you..
06:12:26MonkeyTamerno problem
06:13:27ppeomthat's problem because elf-arm old version ?
06:13:45MonkeyTamerI had the same error
06:14:01ppeomupgrade after solve it?
06:14:17MonkeyTameryes, an upgrade to 4.0.3 should solve it
06:14:29ppeomall delete re install?
06:14:29MonkeyTamerI think you just run setup, and just download the elf-arm
06:14:40MonkeyTamerI don't think you have to reinstall everything
06:15:20ppeomonly setup..
06:15:25ppeomi'm doing now..
06:15:27MonkeyTamerjust use the setup to download/install the elf-arm
06:15:27ppeomthank you..
06:15:49MonkeyTamersure, no problem, though I wish someone a bit more knowledgable could help you
06:15:57MonkeyTamerI've never used cygwin
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06:22:06theoneI have an urgent problem regarding my battery - I'm afraid it might explode & don't know what to do...
06:22:41scorcheput a heavy pot over it and hide behind the counter?
06:23:18theonea pot will handle the explosion (seriously)?
06:23:33theoneI just don't want it to explode & set my room on fire
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06:24:27MonkeyTameractually a pot would probably do pretty well
06:24:42MonkeyTameras long as the top is sealed
06:24:49theoneso the explosion is pretty small?
06:24:58MonkeyTamerwith a lithium battery?
06:25:16theoneyeah - 2nd gen iPod-like battery
06:25:23MonkeyTamerlithium batteries can't really produce very big explosions.. it's rather neglible
06:25:31MonkeyTamerit's more about the fire caused by it
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06:26:08theoneis there a proper way to get rid of this battery (or perhaps 'neutralize' it) sound like a bomb squad
06:26:12MonkeyTamerwhy would it be exploding?
06:26:36ppeommonkeytamer arm-elf-gcc ?
06:26:37theonethe gas buildup has gotten to the point where when you press it, it's like a tight balloon
06:26:48ppeomthank you..
06:26:56ppeomi'm installing..
06:27:08MonkeyTamerwhat exactly are you doing to it?
06:27:25MonkeyTamerto the battery that is
06:28:10theoneit's just been sitting for a while now
06:28:52MonkeyTamerif it's that old... it really shouldn't be potent at all
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06:29:28theoneit all started when one day my H320 was making sounds...turns out the battery was expanding and causing too much pressure on the hard drive, so I just took it apart and it's been sitting (still connected to the H320 though) [uploading apicture]
06:30:17mrqchois it normal when the database is being built for the same time to say Progress: -1% (on the debug menu) while it's indexing the files?
06:30:33mrqcho*for the first time
06:31:04MonkeyTamerI don't really use the debug menu, but database building shouldn't take longer than about 2 minutes
06:31:36theonecrappy razr picture:
06:31:46mrqchoI haven't been able to get it to work... so I went to look at the debug menu to see what was going on...
06:32:18MonkeyTamerthat's really strange for a battery to do that
06:32:21mrqchodo you happen to know any "common" reasons for the database not to build?
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06:33:07MonkeyTamerperhaps bad tags... not resetting
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06:33:46theoneI thought about snipping the wires cause I read gas builds up when it's maybe I should disconnect the H320 from it? but I don't wanna short it out when snipping the wires
06:34:09MonkeyTamerthat might not be a good idea to snip the wires
06:34:19mrqcho_it's not the resetting part as it never stops... it keeps writting to the HD for about 30-40 mins....
06:34:40MonkeyTamerthat's odd
06:34:53MonkeyTamerwhat build?
06:34:58mrqcho_which I find really weird.. my collection is about 30 gb btw.. for reference... but I've read on the forums it shouldn't take that long
06:35:20mrqcho_that was what I was just about to try... changing the build...
06:35:21MonkeyTamerand what device?
06:35:32mrqcho_today's build with julius on top
06:35:35mrqcho_ipod %G
06:35:46MonkeyTamerhmm.. the julius is a bit old tho
06:35:48mrqcho_60GB 5.0G
06:36:11MonkeyTamerI would recommend either sticking to one or the other
06:36:19MonkeyTamerit could cause issues
06:36:39mrqcho_yeah.. I was thinking about that... that might be the problem... I'm going to try running it with a clean install... first...
06:37:03mrqcho_thanks... though.. which I should had actually done from the beginning
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06:38:20MonkeyTamerno problem
06:38:31MonkeyTamerthe recent builds actually seem to be working fairly well
06:38:41MonkeyTamerbesides some improvements
06:38:48MonkeyTamersuch as detection of the ac charger
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06:40:42MonkeyTamertheone, I haven't a clue about the battery; you should likely handle it carefully, but don't necessarily do something that may short circuit the battery
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06:41:07mrqcho_cool... thanks... I basically wanted a couple of patches.. for the theme... but since I haven't really looked on how to patch the builds.. so I just downloaded julius'...
06:41:11MonkeyTamera battery that small is unlikely to do much damage, but still, any damage is no good
06:41:24MonkeyTameryou can compile your own if you're adventurius
06:41:45MonkeyTamerjulius should update in couple of week
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06:41:58MonkeyTamersenab also makes builds as well
06:42:03theoneMonkeyTamer, thanks
06:42:05safetydanpreglow, have you seen this?
06:42:19safetydanclaims to have a fixed point version
06:44:28mrqcho_I tried senab's (but the theme I was trying to use didn't quite work well with it.. for the scrolling area patch part.... I'm going to try a clean install first and go from there...
06:45:20MonkeyTamerI love themes... but sometimes all the patches can be a pain.. especially because they need to be resynced so often
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06:46:07mrqcho_I hear ya... I'm basically just trying to get something working for tomorrow for now... cuz I have a long drive... I'll try to do all the fancy stuff for when I get back
06:48:07MonkeyTamerI create my own builds now because it's a bit more independent
06:48:22MonkeyTamerbut... I know not how to sync patches, so that is a down part of it
06:48:47MonkeyTamertherefore, I use ones such as the koc patch
06:50:03ppeommokeyTamer arm-elf-gcc install after install if canceling?
06:50:50MonkeyTamerI don't quite understand you..
06:51:16ppeomable only arm-elf-gcc install ?
06:51:36MonkeyTamerif you have everything else, then only the arm-elf-gcc
06:51:51MonkeyTamerthat's the only thing to update as far as I know
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06:52:50MonkeyTamerI think I've spent more time figuring how to update then anything else... but at least I am done
06:53:46MonkeyTamerdecayedcell, did you ever get around to trying cpu_freq_60-90-v5?
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07:19:33decayedcellMonkeyTamer nop... does it sync?
07:19:53MonkeyTamerlast that I checked at least
07:19:53decayedcellcbf booting into Linux atm tho
07:20:02MonkeyTamerwhich was yesterday
07:21:00MonkeyTamerwith the way the menu is being slow, I'm going to try applying it
07:22:11MonkeyTamersynced without issue
07:23:40ppeomI reinstall 4.03
07:23:50MonkeyTamerany luck?
07:24:22ppeombut as ever error..
07:24:29MonkeyTamersame one/
07:24:34jhMikeShmmm...better have a good 500MB free space on debian to run Had to change the script so it didn't have to extract the bzip2 files every time (to delete them) and didn't complain about build-rbdev being present.
07:25:05MonkeyTameryeah, that took a while to perform
07:28:12MonkeyTamerdid it tell you you're using 4.0.3?
07:28:23ppeomyes 4.0.3
07:28:46mrqcho_I think that did it... plus the HD was giving me some I/O errors.. it's running the database perfectly now
07:28:47MonkeyTamerare you applying any patches?
07:29:05ppeomalbum art patch and
07:29:11ppeombmp resize patch
07:29:20MonkeyTamerit seems to be complaining about the bmp resize patch
07:29:26MonkeyTamerthat patch may be out of sync
07:29:59MonkeyTameror maybe not, it says bmpviewer
07:30:31ppeomi use that
07:31:35jhMikeSwell, it all works anyway but wasn't a smooth trip
07:33:31ppeomI think all delete.. re instal. and try apply patch..
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07:34:40MonkeyTamerit seems like it never is
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07:36:31ppeomrockbox dev kit reinsall?
07:37:03MonkeyTamerto be honest, I don't know anything about the patch, as I don't use it
07:37:25MonkeyTamerso I really don't know whether it's the patch causing the error, or something else
07:38:04MonkeyTamerthe only thing that should have been necessary to update otherwise is the elf
07:38:36ppeomi'm gigabeat user..
07:38:53ppeombmp resize patch for ipod?
07:39:39MonkeyTamerI don't think it's exclusive to the ipod
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07:43:03MonkeyTamerif it has to do with the patch, I don't have a solution
07:49:23ppeomI see..
07:49:27ppeomadvice thank you..
07:49:41MonkeyTameryou're welcome; good luck
07:49:57ppeomand i have other question..
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07:50:04ppeomI make gigabeat zune theme..
07:50:22ppeomI want uploading. how to rockbox wps gallery upload?
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07:50:39MonkeyTamerI think you have to get access
07:51:00ppeomi have flyspray access..
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07:51:37scorcheyou need to register for a wiki account
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07:51:56Ghoulquestion about the Current Builds page
07:52:10Ghoul+I have a*
07:52:37MonkeyTameryou could post on the forums ppeom; that'll get some attention to your wps
07:52:42*scorche looks into his scrying crystal to attempt to decipher what that question is
07:52:51scorcheMonkeyTamer: ...
07:53:08MonkeyTamerI guess I did a no no?
07:53:09Ghoulok, well
07:53:14Ghoulwhat do the colors mean?
07:53:16scorcheMonkeyTamer: if you had read the rules, you would have noticed that that is strictly a no no indeed
07:53:25Ghoulas in, on the board showing the updates of each build
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07:53:43scorcheGhoul: that is mainly for developers...they indicate any errors or warnings for the builds
07:53:52Ghoulah ok
07:53:53MonkeyTamersorry scorche...
07:54:17scorcheMonkeyTamer: that is for input on work in progress WPSs
07:54:20GhoulI clicked the latest Gigabeat one that had 32, and I saw lots of warnings about errors
07:54:39MonkeyTamergotcha; I'll be more keen on the rules
07:55:03ppeomI see..
07:56:57MonkeyTamerghoul, that's for a build from a while ago
07:57:14MonkeyTamerin svn terms at least ;)
08:01:12Ghoulso there is a new current build available that is error-free?
08:01:15Ghoulwell, for the most part
08:01:39scorcheGhoul: yes...the top is the current build
08:01:46Ghouloh ok
08:01:52Ghoulanything new worth mentioning?
08:02:01scorchethe change log is on the front page
08:02:51Ghoulok, thanks
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09:00:36DataGhosthi GodEater
09:00:51DataGhost :P
09:01:14DataGhostooh it's LinusN
09:01:22DataGhosthow are you coming along with fat32 on rb?
09:01:44LinusNslowly... i wish i had a time machine
09:02:16LinusNnot much left though, i hope
09:02:30LinusNit's all in my head
09:02:40DataGhostit was fairly easy to do in the linux kernel
09:02:45LinusNi bet it was
09:02:54DataGhostI just have to fix the errors/warnings it shows
09:03:04DataGhostand the potential buffer overflow that comes with it
09:03:13DataGhostonce it's read the superblock it'll just work fine
09:03:20DataGhostbut since that block is only 512b... :P
09:03:29DataGhostso that's why it didn't work
09:04:22hcshmm, this takka guy would appear to know what he's doing
09:06:00GodEaterhi DataGhost - sorry - was just catching up on the logs from last night - so I already saw you got the fat32 driver working properly ;)
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09:06:09DataGhostoh lol :P
09:06:15GodEaterwell done :)
09:06:25DataGhostit's still a dirty hack, though
09:06:32DataGhostin code which is also responsible for disk writes :P
09:06:47DataGhostso I dare not release anything until I get to the real problem :P
09:06:50GodEateris it just me, or did linuxstb just not commit the headers with the embedded bootloaders in it for ipod ?
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09:07:22LinusNGodEater: i think you are supposed to generate them yourself
09:07:35GodEateroh really ?
09:07:39GodEaterI must have missed that bit
09:08:10LinusNfeels unnecessary to include those in svn
09:08:18GodEaterI guess so
09:08:29LinusNit's the same with the iriver patcher
09:09:31GodEaterso if you're going to build it like that, you have to build ALL the bootloaders yourself, and then turn them into a .h file
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09:13:29LinusNi guess it could be done a little simpler, but then again, building the ipodpatcher is not for everyone
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09:24:02linuxstbGodEater: The .h files are generated automatically by the makefile (and ipod2c) at the same time as the .c files.
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09:39:15GodEaterI think I need to go back to Makefile school....
09:40:18linuxstbAll you need to do is uncomment two lines in the Makefile, and put all the .ipod bootloaders in the ipodpatcher directory.
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09:43:25GodEaterhow much testing does the interactive version need before it "goes live" ?
09:44:28linuxstbI'm quite confident with it, but I think the prompts and messages need improving.
09:44:34hachiDataGhost won't give up the patches :)
09:44:57DataGhostI modified the linux kernel, I have nothing to do with ipodpatcher
09:44:59linuxstbAnd maybe have an uninstall option as well in interactive mode.
09:45:02DataGhostor what are you referring to?
09:45:23hachiDataGhost: the 80gb patches
09:45:28hcsdoh, I should've put the optimized fader in the nsf codec while I was committing the vrc6 fix...
09:45:34hachiI'm pushy and want to break my ipod
09:45:41hachiwell, want to destroy data
09:45:52GodEaterI like that you thought to include a "Hit enter to exit" prompt so that double-clicking users don't see the window vanish as soon as it's finished.
09:46:25GodEaterI thought about that after I'd gone out last night - but you clearly thought of it too :)
09:47:04GodEatershame you bottled out on the AOL speech though :)
09:47:28linuxstbThere's always the possibility of localisation in the future...
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09:48:15*linuxstb is tempted to run english.lang through that english-to-12-year-old-aoler translator...
09:48:38GodEaterI was wondering if still more automation might be a good idea. Like, if ipodpatcher detects a virgin bootpartition, it backs it up for you to ipodpatcher's install dir whether you like it or not ?
09:49:41linuxstbI thought about that, but am confident enough in ipodpatcher that a backup isn't needed. You can always download the .ipsw file if you need a backup.
09:49:47hachiat my job I tend to force people to do things like that, unless they supply a flag like −−unsafe-skip-backup
09:50:04hachiso that I can circumvent my own safety devices
09:50:12GodEaterlinuxstb: that's true
09:50:35GodEaterhave you got any closer to working out why the grayscales are still broken ?
09:50:41GodEaterin terms of dual boot that is
09:52:07linuxstbdan_a has been investigating (he has a 4g greyscale) and has got as far as discovering which CVS commit broke the bootloader. I still don't know if ipodpatcher is definitely doing something wrong, or if it's just the recent bootloaders - it installs loader2 fine.
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09:53:36GodEaterand loader2 boots the OF okay in that case ?
09:53:43linuxstbApparently, yes.
09:54:17linuxstbSo I'm waiting to see what happens when the bootloader is fixed.
09:54:28GodEaterthat was a lot of work by dan_a - don't envy him having to try all those revisions!
09:54:49linuxstbI think he did a binary search...
09:55:26GodEateris that what git bisect does ?
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09:55:36linuxstbI assume so.
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09:57:58preglowsafetydan: having a look now
09:59:16preglowlooks like windowed sinc with a hamming window at first glance
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10:05:41safetydanpreglow, I'm going to pretend I know what that means. Just saw it mentioned in passing on some blog and thought it might be worth a look.
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10:08:17preglowit is
10:13:16Mikachudidn't someone port speex to rockbox?
10:15:05w1ll14m_morning all
10:17:30Mikachu maybe it includes the resampler
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10:19:33safetydanMikachu, I believe the resampler is new in the past few days
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10:21:21preglowMikachu: freqmod has a patch up on the tracker
10:21:22safetydanSo what's stopping that speex patch from being comitted?
10:21:28preglowwhich really should be commited now, i think
10:21:46preglowi'm not at my dev box, and won't be for the weekend, so can't be bothered to check it out now
10:23:45safetydanwell it still applies cleanly so that's a start
10:25:20safetydanah, but it doesn't build
10:25:39safetydanI seem to recall there was an easy fix for that
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10:27:36Mikachui think change to pcmbuf_insert, remove the loop, and maybe divide the last argument by 2
10:29:57preglowahh, indeed
10:30:01preglownot by twoi
10:30:08preglowjust make sure the number is the number of samples
10:30:13preglowit depends if the audio is interleaved or not
10:30:20preglowthe new argument is number of samples per channel
10:30:24Mikachui just looked at the spc patch
10:30:35safetydanwell I've got it building now
10:30:39safetydantime to find some speex samples
10:31:01hcsspc patch is interleaved
10:31:13linuxstbIs it still using its own ogg parser?
10:31:20preglowhcs: can that be changed easily? it puts more strain on dsp
10:31:26preglowlinuxstb: wouldn't know, i think so
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10:32:10hcspreglow: it could be changed easily
10:32:23safetydanlinuxstb, yes it is
10:32:25hcsI'd want to run some tests to see if it'd affect decoding speed at all
10:32:48linuxstbIt would be nice if it could share ogg parsing code with Tremor (but that's just a "it would be nice" thing...)
10:35:21safetydanhrm, no actual speex files on the speex website
10:36:06hcspreglow: I actually intend to test some changes to the spc patch later today, I've added that to the list
10:37:21Mikachusafetydan: it would probably be easier to download the encoder :)
10:38:24preglowhcs: do so, does it use 16 bit output samples as well, btw?
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10:38:53hcspreglow: yes, 16 bit interleaved at 32KHz
10:39:29safetydanMikachu, at this rate, yes it would :)
10:39:33preglowthen deinterleaving might not help much, it'll have to be converted internally anyway
10:40:05preglowhcs: internal format is 32 bits, so you should try shifting the value up to 32 bits when outputting too, then you might see a small boost
10:40:06hcspreglow: well, I am rendering it anyway, what bit depth should I prefer?
10:40:25preglowhcs: otherwise, dsp will do a complete pass over the data to copy and scale it
10:40:49preglowso deinterleaved 32 bit data = best
10:40:56hcscan do
10:41:37hcsany particular buffer size should prefer? everything seems to use 1024 samples
10:43:20preglowbuffer size is pretty irrelevant, if you pass the data like that, dsp will just use your buffer anyway
10:44:32preglowusing iram for the buffer is pretty clever, btw
10:44:46hcser, got it from the wav codec
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10:46:56safetydanright, well it works in the sim
10:46:59safetydannext stop, target
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10:51:00safetydanhrm... a bit heavy on the ol' boost, about 45 to 50%
10:51:03linuxstbdan_a: Are you around?
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10:52:04safetydanI see no reason not to commit this speex patch
10:52:17safetydanAnyone have objections?
10:52:32*B4gder likes new codecs
10:52:55LinusNgo go go
10:53:19linuxstbI'm sure it doesn't, but have you tested it doesn't break vorbis playback?
10:53:31safetydanlinuxstb, good point, I'll check that
10:53:44linuxstbI'm assuming there's code that distinguishes between speex and vorbis in .ogg?
10:53:48preglowsafetydan: what target did you test on?
10:53:52safetydanpreglow, h120
10:53:58preglowsafetydan: it's not optimised for that at all
10:54:02preglowi might see about fixing that
10:54:10safetydanlinuxstb, it's based on extension afaik, so it looks for .spx
10:54:14preglowif i remember correctly, speex is quite easily optimisable
10:54:23linuxstbAh, so it doesn't support speex in .ogg?
10:54:29linuxstb(in terms of filename)
10:54:35safetydanlinuxstb, no, not as such
10:54:49safetydanI don't think we really have a good way of dealing with container formats at the moment do we?
10:55:23linuxstbThe ALAC/AAC codecs can both be in .m4a/.mp4 files. The get_metadata() function decides which codec to use.
10:55:41safetydanah okay
10:56:12safetydanWell I think it might be better to just commit it as is to avoid the patch rotting away in the tracker
10:56:20B4gderI agree
10:56:29B4gderit can always be improved after first commit
10:56:34linuxstbNo problem with me - we can fix the details later.
10:56:41safetydanfreqmod is already in the credits isn't he?
10:56:59linuxstbIs it common for speex to be in .ogg anyway?
10:57:31safetydanlinuxstb, well the encoder defaults to adding .spx to the files so...
10:59:56preglowlinuxstb: i think both are common these days
10:59:58preglowi still see .spx a lot
11:00:05preglowbut .spx is also ogg
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11:01:49safetydanright, yes he is in the credits
11:02:48preglowit should probably be synced right away too
11:03:02preglowspeex seems to be pretty well maintained, as opposed to the majority of our other codecs
11:04:55directhex|workvarying extensions on container formats fills me with rage
11:06:39safetydancommit away
11:06:47LinusNthe rockbox FAT driver fills me with rage
11:06:53safetydannow let's see if I've missed something
11:07:13directhex|workLinusN, ntfs-3g is almost stable. port it and switch rockbox to ntfs!
11:07:39LinusNthe mac/linux users will love us!
11:08:06Mikachulove filled with rage
11:08:27B4gderand I bet there are some windows users with ntfs too
11:08:27directhex|workmeh, mac users get what they deserve ;)
11:09:08B4gderlike windows 98 or so
11:09:31directhex|workactually, can you format removable drives over 32gb with fat32 on xp? i know you can't on fixed drives from within the installer (artificial limit, of course)
11:09:49B4gderdirecthex|work: not with windows own format command, no
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11:10:06Mikachui bet that fills some people with rage too
11:10:21B4gderit really should
11:10:24directhex|workthe fact that it's not lunchtime fills me with rage
11:10:50Mikachuif you're full, why are you complaining?
11:11:32directhex|worki'm not fussed about the food, i'm just bored of work
11:11:53B4gderlinuxstb: didn't you upgrade your arm gcc?
11:12:21MikachuUsing arm-elf-gcc 4.0.2 (400) needing attention perhaps to get the right path?
11:13:15linuxstbB4gder: The path is different - is it hard-coded in the script? $PATH should be correct.
11:13:31B4gderyes, the script sets the path at the top
11:13:38linuxstbSo I should edit it?
11:13:42*amiconn wonders what problems LinusN ran into
11:13:59LinusNamiconn: it's the FAT cache
11:14:28safetydanwell... that was a colourful result
11:14:28B4gder3700 points is fairly good! ;-)
11:14:58Mikachuat least the bootloaders still built ;)
11:15:07LinusNi would have liked the fat cache to be based on logical fat sectors, but the current fat driver is adapted to use physical sectors (the secmult stuff)
11:15:13amiconnLinusN: Cachinh in the ata driver would have been a quicker solution...
11:15:36safetydanthat's weird. The H120 sim builds fine here
11:15:40linuxstbB4gder: That path doesn't include my SH compiler - am I being asked to build SH targets?
11:15:49Mikachusafetydan: probably because you have -lspeex?
11:15:51B4gderI'll check
11:16:06safetydanoh bugger
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11:16:09safetydanmissed a file
11:16:12LinusNamiconn: yes, perhaps quicker, but quite suboptimal
11:16:24B4gderlinuxstb: nope, but I'll add you now! ;-)
11:16:34B4gderlinuxstb: do you have sdl too?
11:16:52linuxstbYes. Well, I can build the sim...
11:17:14B4gdersdl:sh:m68k:arm for you
11:17:32linuxstbIs "sh-elf-gcc (GCC) 4.0.3 (rockbox patch #1)" correct?
11:18:36petursafetydan: don't forget to close the FS# ;)
11:18:51safetydanpetur, will do once it actually builds for everyone :)
11:20:03LinusNthe current way of supporting 2048-byte logical sectors makes it more complicated to support large physical sectors
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11:21:53linuxstblibspeex seems almost as bit as libflac...
11:22:24preglowit does more, at least
11:22:30linuxstbAh yes, big. :)
11:22:30*preglow just watched the irc logs on a wii
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11:22:35preglowrockbox ports!
11:23:22safetydanA synch with a newer version of speex would be good. Apparently they can fit an encoder/decoder in 6 KiB of RAM.
11:23:44preglowyes, a sync is always good
11:23:48preglowdon't know how easy it'll be, though
11:23:58safetydanhad a quick go and got lots of errors
11:24:00preglowalso i don't know which speex svn we have just checked in
11:24:13preglowbet freqmod can answer that
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11:26:34LinusNamiconn: do you remember the reason why we added 2048-byte support in the current way? to avoid increasing code size on archos?
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12:07:52amiconnLinusN: The current way needs significantly less code than using large buffers, hence it's enabled for all targets, supporting large virtual fat sectors on 512 byte physical sectors
12:09:38amiconnAnd there were reports that the large-buffer implementation wasn't very stable
12:12:21amiconnLinusN: If you want the fat code to use logical fat sectors, the buffers need to be huge
12:13:09amiconnI'd rather keep it using physical sectors, and make the physical sector size configurable on the G5
12:13:21amiconn(configure to what is reported by the ata driver)
12:14:40amiconnHmm, if you want logical sectors, you could limit the supported maximum, but then it will become less flexible
12:15:05amiconnCurrent code even supports e.g. 8KB logical sectors
12:16:15markunlooks like USB mode is broken on my gigabeat after I updated it. It keeps disconnecting and reconnecting.
12:18:13amiconnLinusN: Btw, isn't Zagor the fat code expert? Maybe he has an idea...
12:18:34*Mikachu giggles a bit at that last sentence
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12:19:44preglowhilarious too
12:20:38preglowi was *that* far from putting that in the topic
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12:23:33linuxstbHere's what I'm hoping to release as the next version of ipodpatcher. Testers welcome...
12:23:49linuxstbJust run it without any parameters, and it will ask you if you want to install the bootloader...
12:24:37amiconnlinuxstb: Hmm, btw, what happens if I first -wf a bootloader, and then -a the bootloader again?
12:24:52amiconnWill I end up with 2 bootoloaders where one can start the other?
12:25:16linuxstbYou'll end up with 2 bootloaders, but the 2nd one won't recognise the first one as being an Apple firmware, so won't execute it.
12:25:53linuxstbThe bootloader checks for the "portalplayer" string that's present in all Apple firmwares.
12:26:08amiconn-wf should work with rockbox.ipod as well iirc?
12:26:44amiconnHmm, what about a plugin that can -wf rockbox.ipod?
12:26:55amiconnWould that be possible with the ipodpatcher code?
12:27:10linuxstbYes, shouldn't be a problem.
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12:27:30amiconnThe ipod kind of "flashing" rockbox...
12:27:32linuxstbCould be a nice way to turn ipodpatcher into a library - making integration with rbutil simpler.
12:27:48linuxstbAlthough include "tools" code in apps/ would be badness :) seems to be in bad shape
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12:30:24amiconnB4gder: Hmm, perhaps it's only the sims because of rather old native gcc (3.3.5)?
12:30:39B4gderit looks like that, yes
12:31:25B4gderI'll disable sims on that one for now
12:31:37amiconnThe errors are in speex, probably the speex code doesn't like old gcc
12:32:31amiconnsafetydan: There's still a warning, related to printf. Why does a codec need printf, btw?
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12:36:17preglowit's probably just code from speex svn accidentally being left there
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12:40:44amiconnhcs: Regarding your nsf commit - if no icode is used and the function is inlined, using 'static inline' would be even better
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12:41:31amiconnIf you don't declare it 'static', the compiler still includes a non-inlined version of the function
12:41:45amiconn...increasing code size for no reason
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12:47:36safetydanamiconn, I believe that's only in the sim
12:47:51safetydanI'll look at it tomorrow. Sleep now
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13:02:37austriancoderhi all.. i am looking for codestyle guides... i have looked in the wiki, but with no success
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13:02:51desowinlook in docs
13:03:07desowinin svn
13:03:08GodEateranyone with experience on handling playlist code care to offer an opinion on how easy it would be to implement FS #4804 ?
13:03:55B4gderGodEater: I believe there is a patch that provides such a feature
13:04:34GodEaterthat'll teach to me search feature requests before patches
13:04:34austriancoderdesowin: merci
13:04:43B4gder FS #1982
13:04:55B4gderjust over three years old...
13:05:35Mikachubug #8 is the oldest open bug i think
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13:06:30GodEaterdamn that's old
13:06:41GodEaterwonder if it still applies cleanly
13:06:50B4gderI doubt that
13:07:08B4gderI think a lot of hardeep's work has been added after that
13:07:24GodEaterI'm not sure it does quite what I wanted anyway from reading the comments
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13:16:26GodEaterhmm, I think I've answered my own question really. Given that what I want is to be able to create a list of playlists, and shuffle the contents of THAT, rather than the playlists themselves - I'm not sure that patch would work even if it did apply to the current code.
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13:26:09Genre9mp3no Gigabeat to play before joining the army... :(
13:26:53markunGenre9mp3: but it will be waiting for you when you are on leave
13:28:27Genre9mp3markun: yes, but now I'll have to find even more patience about the whole army thing ;)
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13:33:55*petur enjoys a weekly bofh
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13:34:48peturhow to simulate vista: "Nah, I just turned on all the flashy crap in XP, changed the background image, took some memory out of my box and clocked down the CPU. Then broke Media player. Works like a charm."
13:35:33XavierGrGenre9mp3: pitty
13:35:37w1ll14mi think you are quite right petur
13:35:52XavierGrGenre9mp3: So in the end I might use a gigabeat sooner that you :P
13:35:55*w1ll14m spits on windows vista
13:37:06scorchepetur: how dare you spoil one of the jokes for me...tsk tsk
13:38:49Genre9mp3XavierGr: You'll do this safe at home while I'm protecting you from the enemies? tsk tsk tsk...
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13:40:00B4gdernono, he will hang out here _with_ the enemy ;-)
13:40:32XavierGrB4gder: indeed
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13:41:13XavierGrGenre9mp3: Maybe I will come outside of the military camp to tease you a little more :P
13:42:41Genre9mp3XavierGr: Are you going to have a Gigabeat with you? If yes note that I'll have a gun with me! :P
13:43:38XavierGrehmm, now that you mention it.... *hides*
13:43:47*w1ll14m still hates antibiotics
13:44:41w1ll14mlol ... i roughter have a rockbox in my hand then a gun
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14:45:58*linuxstb points to the new ipodpatcher again and looks for testers -
14:46:10linuxstbNew install instructions here -
14:53:39preglowhaven't got my ipod with me
14:54:14GodEaterI can try it - but it's still only on a 80GB
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14:56:58GodEaterdoesn't appear to work in windows
14:57:14GodEaterunless you've got it so it doesn't install to then 80GB ?
14:57:54GodEaterah - this isn't the one with the embedded loaders I don't think
14:58:03GodEaterunless you've got some bad ass compression on them
14:59:04*GodEater wonders how to force ISA to refresh it's cached copy assuming that's what's happened
15:02:06linuxstbGodEater: Oops, I left two ipodpatcher.exe files in the zip file - use the one in the win32 directory.
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15:02:57linuxstbGodEater: Did you see my message before you quit?
15:03:27*linuxstb has uploaded a corrected zip file
15:03:36GodEateryeah - saw it in the log
15:03:39GodEaterworks fine
15:04:07GodEateripodpatcher -d seems to work with no complaints too (i.e. with no device number)
15:04:18linuxstbYes, the device is now optional.
15:04:31GodEateryeah that's perfect.
15:04:38GodEaterapple os is booting again fine now too
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15:05:30GodEaterI did the install with a full on double-click too
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15:05:36GodEater(from windows)
15:06:39GodEaterso as far as I'm concerned it passes the (essentially pointless) install on the 80GB
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15:09:48linuxstbHopefully it won't be pointless for too much longer.
15:09:54GodEaterwith any luck :)
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15:10:29directhex|workhm? there's been progress on the evil encrypted ipods?
15:10:46linuxstbNo-one has mentioned any progress here.
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15:18:11directhex|worki thought the 'essentially pointless' install 'won't be pointless for too much longer'
15:18:16directhex|workunless i'm confused
15:18:54GodEaterthe 80GB isn't an encrypted model
15:19:09GodEaterit just has a different hard drive to other ipods
15:19:38Lloreanlinuxstb: What's new with the newest ipodpatcher? Anything I should test?
15:19:50GodEaterLlorean: double click goodness in windows!!!
15:20:09GodEaterno more "wut is a cumman rpomt "?
15:20:22LloreanGodEater: It had the default behaviour for no parameters last time I did testing on it. :-P
15:20:34GodEateroh ok sorry :(
15:20:46directhex|workkids these days. when i were a lad, just playing a game meant knowing the subtleties of EMM386.EXE
15:20:49GodEaterI'll read the logs better next time
15:21:01GodEaterdon't forget HIMEM.SYS
15:21:33linuxstbLlorean: It should be the same as the last version you tested.
15:21:44Lloreanlinuxstb: Alright. Just checking.
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15:22:01GodEaterwhich versions has it been tested on so far then ?
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15:22:12markundirecthex|work: those were the days..
15:22:25GodEaterfrankly those days sucked and you all know it
15:22:37GodEater386MAX and QEMM386 both blew chunks
15:22:46LloreanGodEater: I tested it on a Nano, and I believe it's been tested slightly on a 3G.
15:23:02GodEaterso we're still waiting for 4G Gray scale
15:23:07GodEaterand both Minis ?
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15:23:20GodEatersince I assume linuxstb did his own iPod color testing
15:23:27linuxstbHe did.
15:23:50GodEaterbuilding a mental list of who owns what here
15:24:01GodEaterso I know where to go to steal things ;) (thanks Rasher)
15:24:08LloreanWe have speex?!
15:24:14linuxstbI think it's ready for release now - I wouldn't have expected the changes to have introduced any target-specific problems.
15:24:16*Llorean just finally got to the changelog.
15:24:36DataGhostyay. I got fat32 reads working again, this time without "ide0: unexpected interrupt, status=0x58, count=1"
15:24:47DataGhostbut with "FAT: Did not find valid FSINFO signature." :P
15:24:55Lloreanlinuxstb: Does this one fix grayscale targets not booting apple_os, or is that a fix yet to come?
15:25:00DataGhostit looks non-fatal, though :)
15:25:06GodEaterok now can you just fix the rockbox FAT driver please ? :)
15:25:22GodEaterLlorean: still to come
15:25:26DataGhostavailable: 0kB
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15:25:27GodEateras I understand it
15:25:56LloreanGodEater: I remembered seeing someone mention Apple_OS booting on their 3G using this, but I didn't know if the 3G actually fell into that category or not.
15:26:01GodEaterfrom my brief chat this morning about it the problem is suspected in the bootloaders ?
15:26:07GodEaternot ipodpatcher per se
15:26:12LloreanOr if I misunderstood what was said, 'cuz I caught the tail end of the conversation.
15:26:24GodEaterI didn't catch that at all
15:26:30GodEaterso you're ahead of me there
15:26:33LloreanI thought the new ipodpatcher with the old bootloader also didn't work.
15:26:48GodEateranyone with a Mac care to take a look at our latest dyslexic in the apple install forums ?
15:26:57linuxstbYes, that's the thing that's troubling me. But there is definitely a bug in the bootloader as well, which dan_a is investigating.
15:27:19directhex|workLlorean, there was speex discussion this morning. i don't think there's correct handling of ogg as a container format though (i.e. speex files must be .spx), and i don't know if it actually works
15:27:40linuxstbGodEater: You mean the USB issue? See my post.
15:27:43GodEateroh you already did reply linuxstb - I'm behind the game agani!
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15:28:08Lloreanlinuxstb: I'm surprised it completely breaks the mac's USB until restart though.
15:28:37linuxstbSo am I, but we are now actually making the USB chip do things...
15:28:50LloreanThis is true.
15:29:03GodEaterwe're clearly making it do bad JuJu
15:29:16linuxstbbarrywardell suggested some "stop" code that should be added to the current code, so I can test that.
15:31:49LloreanI'm just kinda surprised that USB isn't a bit more robust.
15:32:04LloreanIt seems like that kinda thing would allow you to crash it just by plugging and unplugging something too quickly.
15:33:38Mikachuwow, theme files for my k310i are .tar files :) you're not alone
15:34:54linuxstbAh, an old message from barrywardell: rockbox-20070204.txt:23.02.37 # <barrywardell> Also, I think I rememer setting the USB controller to run without doing anything else caused the USB stack on my mac to crash
15:37:39LloreanThere you go.
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15:38:11GodEaterthat's a piss poor USB implementation in the Mac then
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15:39:25GodEaterLlorean: did you get round to trying out the voice features on your gigabeat ?
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15:40:27markunLlorean: can you check if USB works with the latest gigabeat build?
15:40:28markunfor me it doesn't
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15:41:18GodEater_Llorean: did you see my message re: voice ?
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15:42:00Lloreanmarkun: What do I need to get it to disconnect?
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15:42:06LloreanGodEater: No, I did not.
15:42:16GodEaterjust wondered if you'd got round to testing it on the gigabeat
15:42:25GodEaterI think I've found a bug, and wondered if you could confirm
15:42:45markunLlorean: just plug in the USB cable
15:43:15Lloreanmarkun: I'm using r12238, which is only missing the new speex code, and the one small change to NSF, both codecs, and it works fine
15:43:15markunI can't transfer files anymore, only in the bootloader rescue mode
15:43:57markunit worked fine until I updated this morning
15:44:00directhex|workspeex support could be a real killer feature for the missus
15:44:05GodEateranything I can test too ?
15:44:27markunLlorean: maybe a problem with my compiler, I don't know.
15:45:15Lloreanmarkun: Well you are a few revisions newer than mine, but none of them *should* affect it.
15:45:32LloreanGodEater: No, I haven't tested voice on the gigabeat at all yet
15:46:20markunLlorean: I know, nothing strange I see in the logs
15:46:50GodEatermarkun: assuming I've got the details of the problem right, latest build works here too
15:47:19markunI tried with a settings reset, but that didn't help
15:47:37markunin bootloader USB mode it works fine, so I don't think it's a hardware problem
15:47:41markunand I rebooted the PC
15:48:02GodEaterhas anyone else got a gigabeat that wouldn't mind testing voice quickly ?
15:48:09GodEaterbefore I report a bug
15:48:55markunLlorean: ok, now I can't reproduce it anymore..
15:49:00markunno clue what's going on here
15:49:04GodEaterhate those bugs!
15:49:52LloreanGodEater: What problem are you having with voice, roughly?
15:50:14GodEaterthere isn't any when you pause playback
15:50:15markunyes, I'm happy and unhappy at the same time..
15:50:49GodEateri.e., I pause what I'm playing, call up the file browser, and then when I should expect voice feedback from the directories - there's no speech
15:51:00GodEaterthe disk spins up each time, so I think it's reading the files
15:51:05GodEaterbut there's no audio to go with it
15:51:25*GodEater is about to test it on H140 too to see if it's not isolated to the gigabeat
15:52:19markunLlorean: ok, it disconnected again during a transer. Maybe just something wrong with the computer or my gigabeat hardware (I hope not)
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15:54:49LloreanGodEater: That's a known issue across all targets I believe
15:55:02GodEatereven the archoses ?
15:55:07LloreanWell, all SWCODEC
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15:55:54GodEaterperhaps we should have mentioned that in the thread the other day
15:56:13LloreanI didn't remember it until you mentioned it
15:56:14LloreanBut I've seen it discussed before
15:57:24GodEaterI'll drop a note to that effect on the bottom of the thread then and hope he reads it
15:58:16pixelmain this case (paused playback) file names aren't voiced on Archos either and I thought it is impossible then but I don't know
15:59:32GodEaterjust files? Or directories too (I don't have filenames voiced)
16:00:04DataGhost there we go.. as soon as I fix the partitiontable parsing to be less 'static', it should work on any iPod :D
16:00:35pixelmaI usually let both filenames and directories spell
16:00:48GodEaterhmm - seems to affect the actual menu too
16:00:55GodEater(which I usually have turned off)
16:01:50pixelmaArchos cannot do both audio playback and voice since there is only one MAS
16:01:58LloreanOn SWCODEC, my understanding is that when music is 'playing' voice is mixed into the playback buffer. Since music is paused, the buffer doesn't get consumed.
16:02:09GodEaterthat makes perfect sense
16:02:22GodEaterI would have thought the opposite were true on an archos though
16:02:41GodEatersince you can do mixing of two sound sources
16:03:01LloreanBut voice on Archos interrupts playback, rather than mixing.
16:03:24GodEaterbut still doesn't voice when playback is paused ?
16:03:38LloreanI didn't know about that.
16:04:03GodEaterif I'm understanding pixelma correctly
16:04:16pixelmaI guess it has something to do what actually happens on pause *shrug*
16:04:32GodEaterif that's known behaviour anyway then I guess it won't throw off that guys customers anyway
16:04:34GodEatersince it's what they're used to
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16:06:25pixelmaGodEater: yes you understood correctly, I just tried to confirm
16:06:49GodEaterDataGhost: Nice - I especially like the "DG: Fat!! W00t!!!" debug message ;)
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16:07:18*jhMikeS never discovered that voice is off during pause but makes perfect sense given how it's done.
16:07:44pixelmaGodEater: they will have more things voiced than on the Archoses
16:07:46GodEaterwell in that case I don't have a guilty conscience any more
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16:13:01DataGhosthehe GodEater
16:13:15DataGhostI just put in what I would say when it showed me that line :P
16:13:49GodEaterdid your loader2 patch make it into svn yet ?
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16:13:57DataGhostyes it is in :)
16:14:01GodEatersweet :)
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16:15:50jhMikeSLlorean: sounds like you got frustrated last night with the script stuff but it was only disk space in my case. you need a good 500MB or more free on debian to run it.
16:16:22LloreanjhMikeS: Nah, I just had to leave suddenly. I'm sorry about vanishing like that.
16:16:46LloreanWhat's frustrating me right now is trying to set up foobar2000 to transcode to speex for me. :)
16:27:05dewdudewhy not use dbpoweramp to transcode?
16:27:25LloreanA) I've found dBPowerAmp to be less reliable than I'd like, and B) There doesn't seem to be a speex codec for the newest version.
16:27:55dewdudeLlorean, yes, i take my comment back.
16:28:02dewdudethey got rid of speex for the new builds
16:28:07LloreanI was going to try it as a one-shot to quickly transcode something to try out the speech codec, while I tinkered with getting Foobar set up right, but apparently they got rid of speex.
16:28:19dewdudei've never had a stability issue.
16:28:37LloreanNot stability. But, for example, their flacs are without seek tables (or were last time I used it)
16:29:08LloreanAnd I don't really need an additional program just for transcoding when Foobar2000 should work fine.
16:29:08Mikachuyou can add seek tables with metaflac
16:29:17LloreanMikachu: Yup, I did that to my existing ones.
16:29:19dewdudei've got flac's i ripped with poweramp that seek just fine.
16:29:43Lloreandewdude: Whether or not they seek is different from whether or not they have seek tables.
16:29:46directhex|work"ogg123 -d raw -f - $INFILE | speexenc - $OUTFILE" ?
16:30:03Mikachui think -d wav has a higher likelyhood of working
16:30:47dewdudeit's always worked just fine for me...foobar2000 gave me nothing but config problems last time i tried it...great program that got way too over compilcated and complex
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16:52:00Genre9mp3do we support flac with .ogg extension as well?
16:52:22markunand mp3 with wav extension? :)
16:52:52linuxstbNo and No...
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16:57:27LloreanSo, the speex patch wreaks havok on the sims on certain compilers?
17:00:26*Genre9mp3 wonders if we'll ever have all green again
17:00:32directhex|workmarkun, bet you think '.divx' is a good file extension too, right? :p
17:00:33LloreanSpeex very definitely is not working for me.
17:01:05LloreanI assume it's just a case of not liking files over 32khz though
17:01:24dewdudethe codec itself or decoder?
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17:01:46dewdudei know speex is a voice codec, i figured it'd have a low bitrate limit
17:01:50dewdudeerr, sampling rate
17:02:22LloreanThe codec has 8, 16, and 32 it seems
17:02:51LloreanThe encoder slightly complained about being provided a 44.1 source file, but it plays back fine in windows foobar, so I dunno
17:03:13jhMikeShmmm...haven't looked deep yet but I take it this libspeex in svn supports encoding?
17:03:24LloreanjhMikeS: I'm talking about the CLI
17:03:42Lloreandewdude: All the encoder said was that it's not optimized for above 32khz. So 44.1 seems to be considered valid
17:03:43dewdudeLlorean, if you want....after i'm done mastering i'll grab latest SVN and play around with the format
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17:04:17Lloreandewdude: Well, I definitely think Rockbox should either reject the file, or play it properly, not play it in slow motion with horrible additional noises. :)
17:04:30markundirecthex|work: no, my files mostly have .mkv extensions :)
17:05:05dewdudeLlorean, yeah, there's a couple of AMR codecs that do the same thing
17:05:10jhMikeSLlorean: I was wondering about the addition of a speex_enc.codec with the new lib
17:05:37LloreanjhMikeS: Ah, dunno
17:06:02Lloreandewdude: It plays fine in Foobar windows, and reports the file has a 44.1khz sample rate, but I don't know if that's foobar ignoring what is considered a bad file, or if it's a case of that being valid.
17:06:08jhMikeStime to dig around I guess :)
17:06:16LloreanI should probably resamble to 32khz or less anyway, audiobooks hardly need 44.1
17:06:31dewdudeno, audio books don't really need more than 11.025
17:06:38dewdudealthough it doesn't support that
17:06:54LloreanYeah, but if the original format's already lossy, going too low can give you a sorta tinny sound
17:07:05dewdudethey're going in multiples of 8, which is strange since 16 and 32khz aren't even technically valid rates
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17:07:14dewdudeat least not in the world of windows...or it used to be
17:07:27dewdudei know back a few years ago if you played something outside the 4 standards, windows would complain
17:07:34markunffmpeg has a AMR decoder I think. Is it useful to have one in rockbox?
17:07:44LloreanHm, the 32khz file doesn't work either.
17:07:44*linuxstb wonders why speex-in-ogg needs a different metadata parser to vorbis-in-ogg...
17:08:51dewdudeAMR is mostly used for GSM network communications
17:08:55dewdudeand ringtones
17:09:03Mikachumy phone does audio recording in amr too
17:09:12dewdudeit's horrible quality for music
17:09:38dewdudeit's also a voice optimized codec
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17:10:30directhex|worklinuxstb, it does? that's silly
17:11:40LloreanWell, it's not a sample rate issue, at least.
17:11:48LloreanJust tried 8, 16, and 32, none work right.
17:12:04Mikachudoes it sort of play the same bit over and over?
17:12:51LloreanNo, it plays in slow motion, with a sorta consistent noise alongside it.
17:12:58LloreanWhich is why I thought it was a sample rate issue.
17:13:15Mikachumaybe it's a stereo/mono issue
17:13:22directhex|worksounds like early days for speex.codec
17:13:24LloreanThat could be the case.
17:13:46dewdudesampling issue!
17:13:59dewdudeif it's playing slow motion, it's trying to play the file at a lower sampling rate than it actually is
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17:14:23Lloreandewdude: Well, Rockbox is reporting the file at the proper sample rate.
17:14:32dewdudeyeah, but is the codec feeding that to the dac?
17:14:48dewdudeme either, i'm not a coder, i'm just an audio engineer.
17:15:00dewdudebut the slow motion diffently sounds like sampling rate conversion issue
17:15:10LloreanThat's what I thought too, but the noise is a bit strange.
17:15:37Lloreandownmixing to mono fixed it
17:15:37dewdudewell, soon as i'm done with this tape...i'll compile latest svn and give a listen
17:15:46dewdudeyeah, conversion issue.
17:16:10dewdudethat's strange tho, i've never gotten noise with a stereo/mono snafu..
17:16:10LloreanSo, maybe the codec doesn't expect/handle stereo files?
17:16:21dewdudewell, it's a voice codec
17:16:25dewdudeit should handle mono
17:16:37dewdudeas a matter of fact..the encoder SHOULD downmix to mono during encoding
17:16:45MikachuLlorean: it has a −−stereo option
17:16:51jhMikeShmmm...wonder if it was updated for the pcmbuf_insert update :\
17:16:56LloreanWell, the mono file was very slightly smaller than the stereo file (about 10% smaller)
17:17:21dewdudesounds about right for the M/S encoding schemes
17:17:31dewdudeunless it's using intensity stereo
17:18:00LloreanI saw mention of intensity stereo related to speex somewhere, but I'm not sure where
17:18:09LloreanI'm basically running the speex command line encoder without parameters anyway
17:18:14LloreanSo it's all defaults right now
17:18:31Mikachudoes it decode correctly on your computer?
17:18:45dewdudewell, i'll test a codec if need be...i'm pretty good at hacking audio files around
17:18:53LloreanIt plays fine within foobar2000
17:20:03pixelmaLlorean: you are still too used to write "CVS" (I guess too many posts with it before) ;)
17:20:35Lloreanpixelma: Where'd I do it this time? :)
17:20:47pixelmain the REP thread
17:21:32LloreanAlright, thanks
17:21:35markunLlorean: does it sound better than ogg with the same bit and samplerate?
17:21:52Lloreanmarkun: For audiobooks, definitely.
17:21:59dewdudebetter is a relative term in audio
17:22:15dewdudeit's a voice codec, so, it'll be optimized for the rather simple waveform of voice
17:22:37LloreanWell yeah, you wouldn't want to use it for music or anything
17:22:42dewdudeoh, no
17:22:49dewdudeit outperforms ogg in the voice arena
17:23:16markunLlorean, dewdude: I was asking because of this:
17:23:25dewdudei'm sure they'll integrate it and put a −−voice option in ogg
17:23:59LloreanI have a 22kbps file that sounds just fine for voice.
17:24:06LloreanOgg sounds pretty bad that low.
17:24:11Mikachuthey don't seem to know what they're doing
17:24:19Mikachu(the forum)
17:24:22dewdudei think they're just plopping files in
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17:25:45GodEaterwhat format was your audiobook in when you start Llorean ?
17:26:02dewdudeok..i've gotta get back to these tracks before the client gets angry.
17:26:03LloreanGodEater: ACELP 16khz, actually.
17:26:09LloreanSome I'm transcoding.
17:26:24GodEaternever heard of it
17:26:35LloreanI'm not sure what specific codec, if any, it actually is.
17:26:38dewdudeACELP is an older codec
17:26:45*GodEater wonders where to get decent audiobooks from
17:26:49LloreanIt's what Audible uses for its Quality 3 files.
17:26:58dewdudeit wasn't a voice codec per say..but it was optimized for lower bitrates
17:27:03GodEaterI thought Audible was DRM crippled
17:27:07LloreanIt is.
17:27:28LloreanBut you can still transcode fairly easily from it to something else
17:27:29GodEaterdont' want to download any of those then
17:27:38LloreanAnd it's a lot cheaper than buying it on CD or cassette.
17:27:51dewdudeThe ACELP vocoder has a bit rate of 7.2 kbps including forward error correction (FEC)
17:27:53GodEaterer, how do you transcode it if it's DRM encumbered ?
17:28:04LloreanGodEater: Directshow filters.
17:28:12dewdudedepends how the drm works..
17:28:19Mikachudrm usually sucks
17:28:27Mikachuand there's always line-out :)
17:28:29LloreanYou can play it in pretty much any windows directshow player, which means any of those that can output can transcode.
17:28:32markunI think I remember from my own tests that there wasn't a big difference between speex and vorbis, but maybe I was also just "plopping" the files in..
17:28:46LloreanGoldwave is the common suggestion though dbPowerAmp used to work, and I imagine several others will too.
17:28:46GodEaterI suppose that's the case with audio books, line-out doesn't really slaughter the quality that much :)
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17:28:56dewdudeGoldwave is magic.
17:29:06Lloreanmarkun: Well, my case is a special case, I think.
17:29:10dewdudei used to use that to "rip: drm from WMAv1 files
17:29:20LloreanYeah, I'd never transcode a music file
17:29:25LloreanBut for audiobooks, I'm not so concerned.
17:29:30dewdudei have...when i've had specific reasons
17:29:53dewdudegenerally only for portable support.
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17:30:04dewdudeif someone wants something i've got, and they want mp3 only, too bad.
17:30:13LloreanI usually re-rip for that, or nowadays, pull out my external HD with the flacs on it.
17:30:17markunme neither. I once transcoded a 192kbit/s MP3 audiobook to low bitrate vorbis.
17:30:48dewdudeLlorean, well..some of my stuff i don't have in a lossless format, nor do i have a CD for.
17:30:50*jhMikeS notices he has to pick up some paperclips
17:31:02Lloreandewdude: Ah, well in that case, it's acceptable. :-P
17:31:10*dewdude needs to get back to work
17:31:18dewdudei'm hiding x-chat before i waste more time
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17:32:49LloreanAh, I was confused momentarily why a WAV file was showing as 256kbps... Heh.
17:33:03LloreanAlready forgot downmixing to mono and downsampling affects such things.
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17:36:24jhMikeSyes, stereo isn't sending the right sample count to the pcm buffer. removing the *channels fixes it but it's slooooow as heck at least on coldfire cpu.
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17:39:07jhMikeSI don't mean the audio is slooow, the decoder is slow :)
17:39:38LloreanSo, stereo won't work without optimizations, or that is the wrong fix for the problem, or both?
17:40:00Mikachui think the slooowness is unrelated to the stereoness
17:42:23tt-audiohello, someone is using rockbox on archos with
17:43:02jhMikeStrue, it just can't decode fast enough to keep the buffer full, but the pcmbuf_insert takes samples which is per channel and so doesn't need to *2 for stereo.
17:44:11LloreanAnd I was testing on Gigabeat, which I imagine was fast enough to decode fullspeed, but there were the extra samples still?
17:44:53jhMikeSin stereo. I want to check one other thing. It still might be sending twice as much for each channel
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17:48:18markunJust for the logs: The Gigabeat still switches the channels after pausing sometimes. Very difficult to trigger.
17:49:00jhMikeSit seems to be doing that but is just too slow on cf atm to really evaluate it :(
17:49:22*Llorean has to go.
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17:50:01hcsI just got a "save failed, no partition?" message on my ipod, might this have sinister connotations?
17:50:23webguest43I have a quick question for anyone who can answer it, I have rockbox on my F40 and i have been trying to intialize the database since yesterday to no avail. Is there maybe something im missing?
17:51:18markunwebguest43: let me try it
17:51:23directhex|workwebguest43, the database works fine for me. when's your rockbox build from?
17:51:24webguest43Anyone know why i'd be unable to initialize the database on my f40
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17:52:07markunwebguest43: maybe you didn't reboot after building the tagcache
17:52:45directhex|workmarkun, database^Wlibrary^Wmetadata repository!
17:53:04markunah yes, forgot about the new name ;)
17:53:27webguest43ahh sorry my puter is slow and didn't see first message come up, anywho i have the most recent one for the F40 which i know is fairly old
17:53:49webguest43i have power cylced several times
17:53:51directhex|workthere's a full build for download?
17:54:18markunwebguest43: so what did you exactly do to enable the database?
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17:59:30markunand lets force webusers to choose a different nick..
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18:00:28webguest43went into general options > file view > database> initialize now
18:02:00markunI just did that too. I has been initializing for the last few minutes..
18:02:24directhex|workcheck the progress in info/debug/view database info
18:02:30pixelmadid you also change the "show files" settings accordingly?
18:02:43markunwebguest43: yes, do what directhex|work says
18:02:56directhex|worksee, i'm not a total plonker \o/
18:03:38markunpixelma: hi, care to add greek and esperanto support to nimbus-19? ;)
18:04:08tt-audioanyone here who still uses an archos device?
18:04:21pixelmamarkun: I'd rather have a nimbus-10 and or 11 ;)
18:04:21webguest43Initialized: yes Db Ready: Yes Progress: -1%
18:04:26markundoesn't pixelma use a ondio?
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18:04:44markunwebguest43: mine is now at 87%
18:04:45webguest43what show files settings?
18:04:56lostlogiccan 3g ipods charge from USB?
18:05:09markunwebguest43: perhaps you should initialise again and wait till it's at 100%
18:05:19webguest43OMG ok nvm solved it thanks pixelma
18:05:43markunok :)
18:06:07markunWith the root menu people will not have this problem </propaganda>
18:06:09dan_alostlogic: No, only Firewire
18:06:11pixelmatt-audio: yes I use my Ondio still regularly but only tried lastfm.log once
18:06:14lostlogicdan_a: ty
18:06:48tt-audiopixma: with or without success? was the scrobbler log created?
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18:08:27pixelmatt-audio: it was, but IIRC not always correctly or something like that
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18:16:34tt-audiois here yet another archos user?
18:21:43tt-audioamiconn: Had you ever success to create an scrobbler.log with activate option?
18:22:00amiconnI never used
18:23:16tt-audiocould you please be so kind an just try if the log-file is created?
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18:27:52pixelmatt-audio: I'm testing a bit right now, just wanted to leave it in peace for a few songs
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18:30:07w1ll14mhow is the root menu patch doing ?
18:30:18tt-audiopixelma: thanks!
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18:31:03*amiconn enabled scrobbler logging for the very first time
18:32:02tt-audioI learned that the feature depends on the "audio_set_track_changed_event" and it seems that this is may not proper working on archos?
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18:42:42roolkusafetydan: I assume the commit if the album art stuff in was unintentional? ;)
18:43:36pixelmahmm... no scrobble-file here either - but I am sure that I've seen it somewhen
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18:45:57tt-audiopixelma: I had it only once :-( and than never again, I was afraid it is releated to MY archos .... I tested different builds ...
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18:50:31tt-audiopixma: as I understood you have another device too?
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18:51:01pixelmano, only an Ondio
18:51:03tt-audiopixelmal: & of corse: thanks for testing
18:51:38*linuxstb_ thinks the author of speex.c was allergic to pressing the space bar
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18:59:42pixelmaDoes somebody know if JdGordon's settings changes (and how data gets saved) could have influence on the scrobbling feature (maybe it is broken recently)?
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19:00:06m0nk_hey guys
19:00:26m0nk_the fuckin roof in this building is leaking on me:(
19:00:37amiconnlinuxstb_: (regarding your earlier comment) It seems speex code doesn't like gcc 3.3.x
19:01:32linuxstb_I'm wearing my spacebar out at the moment cleaning it up - but only speex.c, not what's inside libspeex. (changing libspeex will make it harder to sync with the official tree).
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19:02:37m0nk_which part of the code controls the LEDs on teh gigabeat *if you guys know*?
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19:02:54m0nk_i wanna paly with that code a bit
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19:04:46linuxstb_m0nk_: Probably somewhere within firmware/target/gigabeat/
19:04:56tt-audioamiconn: had you success with the .scrobbler.log ? (I know I'm unpatient)
19:05:53m0nk_:| fuck i gotta go
19:06:00m0nk_time for exstatic
19:06:03m0nk_peace guys
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19:07:59dewdudethe vmware image can't build the latest svn
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19:09:19Milo_Bloomany word on a ZVM rockbox firmware?
19:09:46Llorea1Milo_Bloom: Nobody's working on it, as far as I'm aware.
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19:11:41amiconntt-audio: .scrobbler.log doesn't get created
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19:15:56tt-audioamiconn: :-( seems to be buggy on archos devices
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19:21:42PachadGood morning.
19:22:06PachadI just purchased a sansa e260 and have been trying to get it to run rockbox
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19:22:29PachadHowever, I can't even fulfil the first step - that being finding the original .mi4
19:22:43desowinare you ready for developing ?
19:22:49PachadI have booted into the appropriate mode and cannot find it.
19:22:53desowinso far I know, Sansa port can't playback audio yet
19:22:56Llorean Pachad: Are you aware that Rockbox does not play music on the Sansa yet? Right now it's really only suited for developers.
19:23:11inteliwaspis the ".rockbox" file always the same?
19:23:13PachadBut you can dual-boot firmware right?
19:23:24desowininteliwasp: .rockbox is directory
19:23:49inteliwaspthere is a fole too
19:23:55LloreanPachad: Yes, you can, but you may just want to wait if the current install process is too complicated.
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19:24:32inteliwaspoh i sorry, the "rockbox-ipod" file
19:24:56Lloreaninteliwasp: rockbox.ipod is the main program, it's updated pretty much every time.
19:24:58PachadI want to try it out very much - I understand there is a multitude of amazing things one can do with it.
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19:25:36LloreanPachad: Well, you have to get the original .mi4 file from a firmware update.
19:25:41inteliwaspwell for some reason, it wosen't included in the 20070209 build
19:26:01LloreanPachad: The update software will copy it to your device, and then you move it off the device, instead of rebooting the device with it on it.
19:26:20Lloreaninteliwasp: Which build, exactly?
19:26:20inteliwaspon the ipod grey 4G
19:26:40Lloreaninteliwasp: No, I mean, do you mean the archived daily build, or one of the SVN builds?
19:26:56inteliwaspoh daily
19:27:09LloreanWhy are you still using daily builds?
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19:27:46LloreanThough it's true, the daily is missing the .ipod file
19:27:46inteliwaspum, i'm not shure how to sue the subversion builds
19:28:05inteliwaspi'm still kinda new with linux
19:28:12inteliwaspon my desktop i mean
19:28:21Lloreaninteliwasp: Um, you see the "Current Build" link on the website?
19:28:39LloreanYou click it, download the build of choice, extract it onto the player.
19:29:29LloreanThe daily builds, on the other hand, pretty much only exist as archived builds.
19:29:40LloreanThat's why we removed the direct link to them from the front page.
19:30:11inteliwaspthe "sim" build is for the developers right? then i shuld get the ipod one right?
19:30:26LloreanThere is no downloadable sim build.
19:31:38inteliwaspi would be only looking at the table only... stupid me...
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19:34:38LloreanIt looks like the Rockbox dailies for the 4G haven't included the .ipod for a bit at least
19:34:56LloreanThe 8th doesn't have it either. The 7th does.
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19:35:18LloreanBagder: Is the daily build server using GCC 4.0.2 instead of .3?
19:35:35amiconnI believe it was
19:35:46inteliwaspnow do i just use the most bleading edge build with the least or no errors?
19:36:05Lloreaninteliwasp: The 'current build' is the most recent one.
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19:36:49Lloreanamiconn: The 4G gray builds for the last two days at least are missing the .ipod.
19:36:58*Llorean doesn't know what would cause that.
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19:37:32LloreanRocks, etc, are also missing. It's just a few of the other files.
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19:37:51inteliwaspmany thanks to you guys
19:38:33*amiconn pings Bagder
19:39:10amiconnLlorean: I think the build server gcc was fixed yesterday, so today's daily should have been ok :/
19:39:24LloreanSo whatever broke today's daily is something else?
19:40:26linuxstbI'm sure Bagder said yesterday that he'd upgraded.
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19:42:13inteliwasphas there been any talk about a time frame for when the battry life be tweeked?
19:42:56Lloreaninteliwasp: The battery life issue is something that needs to be _solved_ not simply tweaked.
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19:44:49tt-audioCan I submit a bug to flyspy to more than one targets (but not all)?
19:46:16*lowlight sees album art sneaking it's way in svn
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19:46:47Lloreantt-audio: It's best to do it on a target you specifically have tested it on, if it's not an all-target bug
19:46:49Lloreanlowlight: Huh?
19:47:08lowlightlast commit for id3.h
19:48:04pixelmaroolku already mentioned it here (posted a link)
19:48:23tt-audioLlorean: it seems to concern all archos my recorder pixelma's ondio and amiconn's ???
19:48:53amiconnI tested with archos recorder (v1), could also test player and Ondio
19:49:00Lloreantt-audio: Yes, but you can write in the *description* that it has also been confirmed on (list of confirmed players)
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19:50:36pixelmaDoes anybody know if audioscrobbler works on the other targets correctly ATM (I'm just thinking of the settings changes)
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19:51:04Lloreanpixelma: I *suspect* that a lot of people would be complaining if it were globally broken.
19:51:04illriginalcan rockbox for toshiba play m4a?
19:51:05tt-audioamiconn: I would consider this bug as category "Music playback" (at least: the function is living in playback.c), do you have an better idea?
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19:51:23Lloreanillriginal: Mostly, yes.
19:51:31amiconnThe function isn't in playback.c for archos because aurchos doesn't use playback.c at all
19:51:47tt-audiopixelma: yes there is an group in /me searchs in lasfm
19:52:23amiconnI guess it has to do with the callback registration
19:52:57amiconnHmm, I don't feel like tracking that down, as I have no use for it... :/
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19:54:47tt-audioDoes this mean the communication between audio_set_track_changed_event & scrobbler_change_event?
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19:55:02amiconnThe "supported file formats" table in the manual is kinda broken
19:55:05obott-audio: give me a few minutes, and I'll raise a bug report
19:55:21amiconn(for both hwcodec and swcodec)
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19:56:13tt-audioamiconn: I'm not pushing you, but unfortunately I never programmed, therefore I try to make somebody aware who may is interested furthermore it's first time in flyspy and of course I try to avoid newbie mistakes :-)
19:56:54tt-audiohello obo, pleased to meet you
19:57:14oboevening :)
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19:57:23Lloreanamiconn: The one that doesn't even list MP3 apparently?
19:57:30LloreanJust lists 'various'?
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19:59:27directhexare there any flash-based targets worth using (i.e. not portalplayer?)
19:59:50pixelmayes.. Ondio ;)
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20:01:36amiconnLlorean: No. (1) For archos, audio files can be mp3, mp2 and mpa. (2) For swcodec, .wav shouldn't be listed separately with the different icon
20:01:47amiconnThat icon is specific for the wavplay plugin
20:02:47amiconn(.mpa doesn't mean the archos supports mp1 - it doesn't - but mp2/mp3 files are also recognised with the .mpa extension)
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20:04:28m0nk_hey guys
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20:06:20amiconnOh, and (3) .wav is also listed (separately) in the Player manual, which is wrong
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20:06:39amiconnThe MAS3507D doesn't support the pcm codec, hence no wavplay
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20:07:44obott-audio: FS #6639
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20:11:30directhexpixelma, so "no" then
20:12:50pixelmadon't know what you mean with "no" - but I like the device
20:13:01tt-audioobo: found it, thanks.
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20:21:02tt-audiopixelma: there two rockbox related groups at lastfm: and
20:21:03tt-audiobut I seems that I'm the only one there who uses an archos device. according their forums other devices working.
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20:26:00pixelmatt-audio: ah thanks for the info, obo's more precise bug report says it too. Actually I don't care that much because I don't use the feature but I always want to try tracking down bugs
20:26:12obott-audio: I had a PM from another user after seeing what you'd written - I sent them the same debug build, and they had the same behaviour
20:27:06tt-audioobo did he mentioned which archos he has?
20:27:15oboanother recorder v1
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20:45:29tucozAnyone around that knows anything about telechips, and the possibility to port rockbox to such a device?
20:47:05busa_bladeno clue
20:47:50tucozI tried to answer in this thread.
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20:48:12amiconntucoz: Highly depends on what telechips chip it is
20:48:24amiconnMost of them are arm based, but the tcc730 is not
20:49:28tucozok. I'll see what i can find in that fw-file
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20:50:06amiconntcc730 a weird architecture to port to
20:50:15amiconn*is a ...
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20:50:24tucozstupid router
20:50:42tucozi see
20:50:57amiconnThe Gmini 1xx/SP and 2xx are tcc730 based.
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20:51:14tucozaha. so that is where i heard about that chip
20:51:27amiconnCalmrisc16 cpu core plus calmmac24 dsp core
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20:52:32tucozthe fcc documents had the text on the chips removed (which i can understand) unfortunatley
20:52:37amiconnThis cpu is unusual in two ways. (1) it's a 16 bit cpu. (2) harvard architecture
20:54:00tucozhmm. i found references to TCC77X
20:54:26tucozdo you think that is the processor?
20:55:03tucozok. so this one then.
20:55:25tucozit is an arm processor
20:55:49directhexpfft, 120mhz
20:56:00amiconnBetter than ipod...
20:56:04directhexi laugh at such measly megahurtzes!
20:56:50linuxstbamiconn: Your ipod is 2x100MHz...
20:57:07amiconnThis tcc77x is a complete SoC, including flash and sdram
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20:57:49tucozit has a samsung flash storage (according to the fcc docs)
20:57:54amiconnIt's a good thing that it's arm based, but re will probably be challenging
20:58:25tucozthe fw shows the strings in clear text, so it's probably less encrypted than the MI4 files
20:58:52amiconnlinuxstb: Yes, but then we don't use the 2x part...
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21:00:34inteliwaspi notived they made detection of a charger on the ipod now... but is the auto detection to diskmode disabled?
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21:01:40tucozsame processor as the iaudio 6
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21:03:26linuxstbinteliwasp: No, are you having problems?
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21:06:44inteliwasplinuxstb: yes i am
21:07:10pixelmainteliwasp: are you using a daily build?
21:07:49linuxstbinteliwasp: Do you have a Mac?
21:08:20inteliwaspyes, r12246-070209
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21:10:23linuxstbWhat exactly is the problem?
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21:11:40inteliwaspit's not tetected
21:12:42amiconnHmm, the new version number is too long on archoses, at least when building myself
21:13:31amiconnIt looks like r12191:12192M-070201
21:14:06amiconn...but only the middle part is visible, even with a small font like rockfont-8
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21:15:43inteliwasplinuxstb: ok i figured it out, my laptop usb ports are flakey
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21:33:18amiconnHmm, after a rebuild the version string is ok
21:33:28*amiconn wonders what svnversion did last time
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21:41:53BiptoNhas any headway been made with KoC8 and recording?
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21:53:11BiptoNor the cause of the misterious line noise while recording?
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21:56:13linuxstbBiptoN: I don't think anyone is doing any work on the ipod/H10 recording.
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22:03:40amiconnNote to self: Better not 'svn update' while building...
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22:06:43directhexby using "svn up" instead of "svn update", you could increase productivity by 30%!
22:06:58amiconnI know, and I do
22:07:20NicolasBigaouettHi, I made two scripts for installing Rockbox from linux (for the iriver H10). Is it possible to have write access to the wiki?
22:07:25amiconnI was referring to the long version string problem
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22:16:22BagderNicolasBigaouett: sure, just tell us your wiki name
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22:20:19NicolasBigaouettBadger: My wikiname is NicolasBigaouette
22:20:38NicolasBigaouett(don't forget the last "e" :) )
22:21:02Bagderaccess granted!
22:21:13directhexhow is the h10 as a port?
22:22:04Bagderdirecthex: it is a PP target so a bit lacking on the run-time side
22:22:35directhexurgh. what is it with the closed companies getting all the industry support?
22:22:45*directhex stabs portalplayer and broadcom and a few others
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22:26:28BiptoNyer kinda violent there directhex
22:27:01*pixelma remembers an interesting forum thread about radio not yet working on H10...
22:27:02directhexBiptoN, i have learnt through interactions with insurance companies that violence is the best solution
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22:31:10JarretI've been reading through some of the logs, etc. And gather that fat32 is the only thing not yet working on the 80 gig 5.5g, so does this mean there is a build out there that works on macpods/ext3 [or whichever it is that rockbox uses] ipods?
22:31:35TrueJournalsdoesn't rockbox use fat32?
22:31:38Bagdermacpods use hfs, and rockbox doesn't suppot that
22:31:55MikachuJarret: rockbox only supports fat32/16
22:32:23directhexwhich ipods only support hfs+?
22:32:36Jarretoh okay, thank you.
22:32:51Bagderdirecthex: none, they all support fat as well afaik
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22:33:20directhexBagder, that's what i thought. it'a always nice to know i'm not going mad
22:33:37Bagderdirecthex: well, we can rule that out just yet ;-)
22:33:52*Bagder will learn to type one day
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22:36:37bluebrotherdownload server admin around?
22:36:48*Bagder stands straight
22:36:55Bagdersir yes sir!
22:37:20bluebrotherthere seems to be an additional line break in the cygwin setup.ini file
22:37:23bluebrotherat line 61
22:37:58bluebrotherafaics the checksum gets broken. Can you fix it? ;-)
22:38:24bluebrothergreat :)
22:38:46bluebrotherhmm, windows update is strange. Offers me IE6SP1 but that box doesn't have IE6 installed ...
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22:39:17peturbluebrother: wasn't it you who talked about VirtualBox?
22:39:42directhexbluebrother, there's no non-sp1 ie6 anymore
22:39:58bluebrotherpetur, yes.
22:40:08directhexbluebrother, so it's offering to install the latest (98?) compatible ie for you
22:40:09bluebrotherI'm playing around with it currently
22:40:50peturbluebrother: must thank you for that, I'm now running ubuntu in it :) and rockbox compiles :)
22:42:26bluebrotherI stubled across it on a german news site, and I liked it because they released it as OS.
22:42:36bluebrotherand it works nicely on linux
22:43:00peturI like the fact that it's a standalone app (no services and stuff that stays in mem all the time
22:43:02busa_bladebye everyone
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22:43:09bluebrotherhmm, is my proxy fooling me? That setup.ini seems to still have a linebreak that confuses the setup
22:43:26directhexi have a rat on me
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22:44:10Bagderbluebrother: the install line is now in a single one here for me at least
22:44:59bluebrotherok, looks like my proxy is the one to blame. Downloading from the other box works
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23:28:15linuxstbBagder: Around?
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23:30:00linuxstbDomonoky: Any progress with rbutil and ipodpatcher?
23:30:31Domonokybut at the moment i can not test
23:30:41Domonoky(no ipod)
23:31:08Domonokyi compiled ipodpatcher as a static lib, and linked it to rbUtil :-)
23:32:19Domonokyat the moment i am thinking how to make it so i can integrate bootloader installation for alle players..
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23:33:04sdfdsacan anyone help me install rockbox in private chat?
23:33:22hcsrockbox doesn't run on private chats
23:33:28hcsthough there is a port in progress
23:33:29Big_Macread the manual in the topic
23:33:34sdfdsaive been stuck on trying to get this to work
23:33:50linuxstbWhat are you trying to install it on?
23:34:25linuxstbI've forgotten how to do that... Are you running Windows?
23:34:31preglowlinuxstb: thanks for the whitespace commit...
23:34:43preglowi can read the code now
23:34:58linuxstbpreglow: :) It was painful... I haven't looked inside libspeex yet though.
23:35:24sdfdsaive went through all the steps but always get the iriver firmware runnin not the rockbox
23:35:53preglowlinuxstb: i think that looks better
23:36:04preglowlinuxstb: if you want some real work, you need look no further than libtremor
23:36:12preglowmonty _hates_ whitespace
23:36:32linuxstbAs I was editing speex.c, I was thinking there must be tools to do that...
23:36:48Mikachuor is it just indent?
23:36:56Mikachuor something completely different
23:37:51linuxstbsdfdsa: Do you see the Rockbox bootloader screen before the iriver firmware starts?
23:37:59sdfdsayou bet
23:38:05Mikachuah yes, indent it is
23:38:28linuxstbsdfdsa: Does it display any messages? The most common would be error: -1
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23:41:40Big_Maccan anyone walk me through setting up a network in vmware because that is what we narrowed my problem down to
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23:41:57Big_Macbecause I can't access \\debian\user
23:42:02Big_Macor use ftp
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23:44:03sdfdsayeai get the -1 thing
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23:44:23linuxstbThat means the bootloader can't find the rockbox.iriver file
23:44:54linuxstbDo you have it on your iriver, and if so, whereabouts?
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23:46:30Big_Macany vmware users here?
23:46:59sdfdsashiyt im gonna format and try again because this just is confusing me
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23:47:12sdfdsaso i patch that file and stick it in the root
23:47:24sdfdsaboot first?
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23:47:51linuxstbYou need to do two things: 1) Install the bootloader (which you've done successfully); 2) Download and simply extract the contents to your iriver.
23:48:19Big_Macdirecthex: I have workstation now, you sad it was possible to have vmware make the rockbox build to my hard disk (c:) instead of a virtual drive a while back
23:48:21sdfdsacould u give me the address
23:48:36sdfdsabecause i get a broken link
23:49:26directhexBig_Mac, install vmware tools. it's in the menu options
23:49:39linuxstbsdfdsa: Go to, then click on "current builds" in the menu on the left, then scroll to the bottom of the page and find the h120/h140 link.
23:49:42directhexBig_Mac, and configure the virtual machine settings to use NAT for networking
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23:52:10sdfdsagot it open
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23:54:07Big_Macdirecthex:I know I have seen the vm tools option somewhere, can you point out under which menu
23:54:35sdfdsalinuxstb: now what?
23:54:37directhexcan't remember. i'm not at work
23:54:45combrainsVM > install VMWare Tools
23:55:21linuxstbsdfdsa: Have you extracted the rockbox.iriver file and .rockbox folder onto your iriver?
23:55:52sdfdsalinuxstb: you bet
23:56:11linuxstbThen that's it. Disconnect and reboot your iriver.
23:56:24Big_MacI only have cancel vmware tools install
23:57:04combrainsthen look in the cdrom drive on your VM. you should have an RPM an linux or an EXE on windows
23:57:06bluebrotherBig_Mac, when running linux as guest you need to do some manual steps
23:58:29sdfdsahey thanks linuxstb
23:58:39Big_Macok would that be available in my actual cdrom drive, or my virtual one(which I have no idea how to access)

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