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| 00:06:52 | Llorean | Bagder: The VMWare image didn't use the default paths from rockboxdev.sh so it doesn't overwrite the crosscompilers, it seems. |
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| 00:09:22 | Genre9mp3 | Wondering... Since there's plenty of space on h100 rom and even more on h300 rom chip, wouldn't make sense having a special rombox image that includes ALL rockbox related files (codecs, codepages etc. and maybe a wps and a font as well) or this would be too much work for a very little amount of speed up? |
| 00:10:23 | Llorean | Executing code from ROM is slightly slower than from RAM, isn't it? |
| 00:10:55 | Genre9mp3 | I thought rombox was a bit faster than "rambox" ? |
| 00:11:19 | Llorean | I don't know, as I haven't tried it. |
| 00:11:27 | Llorean | But I thought I was told that. |
| 00:12:04 | Genre9mp3 | well I know that rombox adds a layer of safety as well... |
| 00:12:24 | Genre9mp3 | but I think it should be faster, too (since it doesn't have to copy the fw to RAM first) |
| 00:12:51 | Llorean | But the copying of the fm to RAM only happens once. |
| 00:13:08 | Genre9mp3 | indeed |
| 00:13:09 | Llorean | Well, once per boot |
| 00:13:16 | Llorean | After which execution is faster, I believe. |
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| 00:13:33 | Genre9mp3 | but I was wondering if it would make sense for other files to be flashed, too |
| 00:13:43 | Genre9mp3 | besides *.iriver |
| 00:14:14 | Llorean | Probably not. |
| 00:14:27 | Llorean | I imagine executing the codecs from ROM at least would require a further rework of the playback system. |
| 00:14:29 | Llorean | A non-fun one. |
| 00:15:02 | * | mattzz rockbox has solved the first maze |
| 00:15:27 | XavierGr | even still, copying the codecs, plugins, fonts from rom to ram will eliminate all those hd spin ups |
| 00:15:46 | Llorean | XavierGr: The spinups that you *have* to have to load audio files into RAM? |
| 00:15:48 | Mikachu | copying codecs won't help a lot, you're already spun up from loading the file |
| 00:16:06 | XavierGr | Llorean: no fonts, plugins |
| 00:16:32 | Llorean | XavierGr: Which plugins? Do you pick and choose, because you can't fit them all? What about fonts? Which ones? |
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| 00:16:50 | Genre9mp3 | plugins/viewers would benefit... |
| 00:17:07 | XavierGr | again, nothing in particular just imagining things |
| 00:17:31 | Genre9mp3 | rocks/viewers are 1.85MB cutrrently for h300 |
| 00:17:43 | perl|perl | downloading http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin//setup.ini results in an error |
| 00:17:44 | Llorean | Viewers wouldn't benefit by the way |
| 00:17:47 | Mikachu | viewers also need to load actual files |
| 00:17:53 | Llorean | Viewers, like codecs, require a file on disk too. |
| 00:17:53 | Mikachu | only plugins would be somewhat sensible |
| 00:17:54 | XavierGr | yeah |
| 00:17:55 | perl|perl | line 61 |
| 00:17:55 | Genre9mp3 | ah yes |
| 00:18:08 | Mikachu | but then they wouldn't be plugins |
| 00:18:30 | XavierGr | hmm even some games wouldn't benefit, if they have to read high scores and such |
| 00:19:34 | Llorean | Besides, how much flash is free with a hibernated dircache and database? |
| 00:19:52 | Genre9mp3 | a lot... |
| 00:20:12 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: How much is 'a lot'? |
| 00:20:24 | Genre9mp3 | the fw file is 400KB while the whole rom is 2MB for h100 and 4MB for h300 |
| 00:20:34 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: Yes, but that's just the fw file. |
| 00:20:46 | Llorean | How big is the dircache and database image, on average? Or is a specific amount reserved for it? |
| 00:21:21 | linuxstb | Aren't they cached on disk? |
| 00:21:34 | Genre9mp3 | Do we reserve flash space for dircache/database??? |
| 00:21:42 | Llorean | linuxstb: With Rockbox-in-flash on the H100 series at least, it says they can be hibernated to improve bootup time. |
| 00:21:44 | Genre9mp3 | I don't think so... |
| 00:21:55 | Llorean | I assume that means that they're stored in flash on shutdown so that they can be loaded without a disk spinup |
| 00:22:04 | Llorean | It says "saves battery at startup" next to the hibernation feature. |
| 00:22:08 | linuxstb | Llorean: I think that's just because Rockbox then knows when the user has entered USB mode, and they need updating. |
| 00:22:14 | Genre9mp3 | Llorean: I think that this has something to do with flags or something like that |
| 00:22:34 | Genre9mp3 | not flashing dircache itself |
| 00:22:43 | Llorean | linuxstb: So why does it call it 'hibernating' them? |
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| 00:23:20 | Genre9mp3 | besides it wouldn't make sense to do this... as it would have to flash and flash all over again when a file was being added/removed/changed |
| 00:23:38 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: Why would it have to reflash at any point but shutdown? |
| 00:24:08 | Genre9mp3 | and after a USB connection, too |
| 00:24:31 | Llorean | After a USB connection it'd have to rescan, yes. |
| 00:24:37 | Llorean | But you didn't answer my question. |
| 00:24:40 | XavierGr | there was once a suggestion to move the dircache data to flash, but I don't think that it is implemented |
| 00:24:44 | Llorean | Why do you think it'd have to reflash ever time a file changes? |
| 00:24:50 | XavierGr | although maybe I am completely mistaken |
| 00:25:02 | Genre9mp3 | Llorean: shouldn't update it then? |
| 00:25:05 | Llorean | Slasheri: Are you here? Maybe you can answer: What is dircache 'hibernation' |
| 00:25:14 | XavierGr | indeed |
| 00:25:23 | XavierGr | I am not sure myself that have a flashed H100 |
| 00:25:25 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: No, dircache would still be in RAM, it'd be hibernated to flash on shutdown so a disk spinup isn't needed to load it next boot. |
| 00:25:47 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: Basically, imagine loading it from flash instead of from a file on disk, so that you don't have to spinup as soon, or use as much power. |
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| 00:26:23 | Genre9mp3 | Llorean: you are right.. but even this why, I'm not confortable of the idea flshing the player on every shutdown |
| 00:26:34 | w1ll14m | Llorean: where is CPUFREQ_DEFAULT used for ? |
| 00:26:35 | Genre9mp3 | why/way |
| 00:26:52 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: Why not? even if that flash portion is utterly corrupted it can't cause any negative effects. |
| 00:27:09 | Genre9mp3 | But anyway, I don't think that this is the case currently |
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| 00:27:32 | w1ll14m | because it uses only (as far as i know) CPUFREQ_NORMAL and CPUFREQ_MAX |
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| 00:28:25 | Domonoky | i can not compile ipodpatcher under windows (not with cygwin) because IPOD_SECTORSZIE_IOCTL isnt defined for windows... |
| 00:28:26 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: It may not be, but if that's the case, 'hibernate' is a very bad word for what it does. |
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| 00:29:02 | Genre9mp3 | Llorean: I agree on this |
| 00:29:23 | Domonoky | i want to compile it with Code::Blocks (MingW) because the rbUtil is bulit with that... (want to integrate ipodpatcher) |
| 00:29:31 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: But dircache seems a better thing to store off-disk than something as trivial as themes. |
| 00:29:41 | MonkeyTamer | Is there any way I can fix compiling for the debian image? Since last night, I've been getting errors with the elf gcc |
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| 00:29:50 | Llorean | MonkeyTamer: Just upgrade the arm-elf-gcc in it. |
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| 00:30:26 | MonkeyTamer | can I directly update it? I tried using the apt-get command, and it said I didn't access or something |
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| 00:32:04 | MonkeyTamer | or if there are instructions for doing so, if you could point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it :) |
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| 00:33:05 | Domonoky | hm.. also there is no "sys/ioctl.h" in mingw. (and i dont get WxWidgets to work under Cygwin) :-( |
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| 00:35:19 | Domonoky | linuxstb do you know how to get ipodpatcher comiling under pure Windows (mingw with Code::Blocks) ? |
| 00:36:10 | linuxstb | No. I cross-compile the win32 version of ipodpatcher using mingw in Linux. |
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| 00:37:05 | Domonoky | ah :-) |
| 00:37:19 | amiconn | Domonoky: You need to use the windows specific code, not the posix code |
| 00:37:53 | amiconn | The Makefile does this for the cygwin case, you need to do the same for mingw |
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| 00:38:10 | Domonoky | ah.. ok.. i will have a look |
| 00:38:24 | linuxstb | And don't forget rbutil itself is cross-platform... |
| 00:39:08 | Domonoky | :-) |
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| 00:39:43 | MonkeyTamer | ok, I think I had figured out how to update |
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| 00:40:46 | * | w1ll14m installs cross compiler and mingw |
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| 00:42:38 | * | w1ll14m looks at the clock and he just found out that it is time for a nice sleep :) |
| 00:42:48 | w1ll14m | cya all later dudez :) |
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| 00:49:31 | webguest61 | are there any car radios that can do ogg/flac playback? |
| 00:50:43 | Mikachu | if you put an ogg player with an fm sender next to them maybe :) |
| 00:51:20 | dewdude | sender? the proper term is transmitter |
| 00:52:00 | Mikachu | close enough |
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| 00:53:14 | webguest61 | a transmitter that send signals |
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| 00:55:34 | dewdude | yes..a transmitter that doesn't send signals isn't a transmitter |
| 00:57:04 | JdGordon | hey all, anyone with a recorder still around? |
| 00:57:09 | mattzz | yup |
| 00:57:27 | JdGordon | have you got the latest svn on it? |
| 00:57:44 | | Quit midkay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 00:57:52 | mattzz | not yet but this is a matter of a few seconds. How can I be of any help? |
| 00:58:23 | JdGordon | can you try and reproduce http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8703.msg67539#msg67539 please? |
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| 00:59:42 | mattzz | JdGordon: compile is running... |
| 00:59:47 | linuxstb | Domonoky: You may find my latest ipodpatcher commit helpful. I've started to move the command-line specific parts of ipodpatcher into a new main.c, leaving ipodpatcher.c as a sort of library. |
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| 01:00:04 | Domonoky | thats good.. |
| 01:00:19 | JdGordon | mattzz: ta |
| 01:01:00 | linuxstb | Domonoky: The only thing that's really left are the error/info messages. |
| 01:01:58 | Domonoky | fine, i still struggle a bit with this wxWidgets... :-( |
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| 01:04:10 | mattzz | JdGordon: I dont get it, how to reproduce this |
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| 01:05:34 | JdGordon | mattzz: im not sure... I dont entirly understand the post.. but i just woke up... |
| 01:05:46 | JdGordon | ill play in the sim later if you cant figure it out |
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| 01:06:57 | mattzz | JdGordon: I understand the post in this way: play music, enter file browser with "on", leave file browser with "on". Then there should be a "last line"?! |
| 01:07:19 | JdGordon | isnt it eneter and leave with the f1 button? |
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| 01:07:37 | mattzz | ah, no. |
| 01:07:52 | mattzz | JdGordon: I understand the post in this way: play music, enter file browser with "on", leave file browser with "on". NOW enter F1 or F2 menu. Then there should be a "last line"?! |
| 01:09:46 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:09:47 | mattzz | (done w/ recent svn build and the cited WPS an AJR-20) |
| 01:10:34 | JdGordon | ok thanks |
| 01:11:09 | mattzz | np. maybe it's depending on a specific font? |
| 01:12:20 | perl|perl | what might the reason of getting an error from any cygwin server when installing |
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| 01:14:32 | JdGordon | pebkac ? ID-10-t errors? heaps of reasons |
| 01:15:11 | dewdude | perl|perl, what server and what kind of error? |
| 01:15:27 | perl|perl | from ttp://download.rockbox.org/cygwin/ its the parse errro (null) line 61: syntax error, unexpected STRING, expecting NL |
| 01:15:57 | perl|perl | followed by (do you have the latest setup?) |
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| 01:16:22 | linuxstb | Do you? |
| 01:16:27 | perl|perl | yeah |
| 01:16:33 | perl|perl | it was all good in the morning |
| 01:16:46 | perl|perl | now i wanted to update the arm gcc |
| 01:16:54 | perl|perl | and this all im getting |
| 01:17:06 | dewdude | yeah, i don't use cygwin... |
| 01:17:17 | dewdude | vmware or a real linux box is a better option |
| 01:17:46 | perl|perl | unles they released a newer version now but the cygwin is not updated? |
| 01:17:53 | perl|perl | site* |
| 01:18:49 | perl|perl | im getting that error from any mirror now |
| 01:19:25 | perl|perl | ok, one random one worked |
| 01:21:02 | perl|perl | http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin//setup.ini |
| 01:21:09 | perl|perl | stops on that |
| 01:21:16 | perl|perl | with that error |
| 01:22:15 | | Quit wooo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 01:24:00 | perl|perl | would somebody with cygwin mind to try |
| 01:28:23 | rotator | perl|perl: I had the same error, but I hit okay and it worked anyway |
| 01:28:33 | perl|perl | oh |
| 01:28:35 | dewdude | perl|perl, is there any specific reason you're using cygwin? |
| 01:28:40 | rotator | so, dunno *shrug* |
| 01:29:06 | perl|perl | dewdude well, windows... |
| 01:29:16 | dewdude | perl|perl, that's a lazy excuse. there's vmware. |
| 01:29:44 | dewdude | there's even a vmware image that's preconfigured for rockbox development |
| 01:30:05 | perl|perl | oh i never really looked into it |
| 01:30:12 | perl|perl | just got used to cygwin |
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| 01:32:07 | perl|perl | rotator well it works with other mirrors |
| 01:32:14 | perl|perl | not with the rockbox one |
| 01:32:27 | rotator | strange |
| 01:32:34 | perl|perl | just goes back to the mirrors list |
| 01:32:40 | perl|perl | after the OK on error |
| 01:32:49 | * | linuxstb wonders if it's the recent change to give all files on the server the application/octet-stream mime type instead of text/plain |
| 01:33:35 | perl|perl | http://www.popco.net/zboard/view.php?id=mp3p_review&no=76 |
| 01:33:38 | perl|perl | looks nice |
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| 01:38:48 | DataGhost | argh! I made a major breakthrough and then everyone is offline :( |
| 01:38:54 | DataGhost | I have working fat32 reads on the 80GB :D |
| 01:39:23 | thegeek | wooohooooo |
| 01:39:26 | BiptoN | VERY AWSOME! |
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| 01:39:31 | thegeek | hehe |
| 01:39:48 | DataGhost | oh. with ipodlinux by the way... I still forget to mention that all the time |
| 01:40:09 | DataGhost | but there were a few people in here following those developments as well |
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| 01:40:25 | thegeek | oh |
| 01:40:26 | thegeek | bummer |
| 01:40:34 | DataGhost | heh |
| 01:40:54 | thegeek | still cool just not super awsome;P |
| 01:41:20 | JdGordon | DataGhost: congrats |
| 01:41:24 | DataGhost | thanks:) |
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| 01:42:40 | JdGordon | so you shold have rockbox working then in what? 15min ? :D |
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| 01:43:16 | hachi | DataGhost: willing to accept your patches, in whatever form they are in |
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| 01:43:22 | hachi | :] |
| 01:43:42 | DataGhost | they are in crappy form, toss errors to you and break any compatibility with other iPod models |
| 01:43:47 | DataGhost | I have to tinker around a little more, though :P |
| 01:44:03 | DataGhost | well JdGordon the point is.. rockbox uses a completely different implementation |
| 01:44:05 | Mikachu | if you give linus some beer you'll have 80gb support in rockbox in no time |
| 01:44:17 | DataGhost | the linux kernel can do fat32 reads without any problem... it just never read the header correctly |
| 01:44:27 | DataGhost | once it read that, everything is automatic |
| 01:44:52 | hachi | probably because of cluster sizes I assume, so the reads are always aligned to something like a 4k boundary |
| 01:44:55 | hachi | right? |
| 01:45:22 | DataGhost | not just that but it plainly refuses to read just 1 sector in this case |
| 01:45:53 | DataGhost | oh and since this change is done in a 'rw' function I dare not release this until at least I've tested it thorougly :P |
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| 01:46:05 | Steele | hi |
| 01:46:09 | DataGhost | I just had that feeling that it would eat my drive or something |
| 01:46:24 | hachi | bah, I don't care... like I keep anything important on my ipod :) |
| 01:46:29 | DataGhost | hehe |
| 01:46:42 | DataGhost | me neither but it's a PITA having to upload my music again for 2 damn hours |
| 01:46:46 | MonkeyTamer | hm... I updated and upgraded the debian, but it still claims that I have elf-gcc 4.0.2 |
| 01:46:56 | DataGhost | logout and login again |
| 01:47:04 | DataGhost | or check your path |
| 01:47:11 | MonkeyTamer | ok, I'll try that |
| 01:47:14 | JdGordon | MonkeyTamer: fixed the arm-elf-gcc link? |
| 01:47:15 | DataGhost | or in gentoo, there's gcc-config (well, I think that's a gnu tool by the way) |
| 01:47:18 | DataGhost | oh wait elf |
| 01:47:23 | DataGhost | then you'll have to check your path I think :P |
| 01:47:25 | hachi | might be getting elf-gcc from /usr/local/bin, instead of /usr/bin, perhaps? |
| 01:47:44 | MonkeyTamer | I'm working on it still lol |
| 01:47:57 | Steele | has anyone charged their iPods with a ps2? |
| 01:48:43 | hachi | I wish linux 2.6 ran on the ps2, I'd totally still be running linux on it |
| 01:48:47 | MonkeyTamer | never tried that |
| 01:48:51 | Mikachu | get a ps3 ;) |
| 01:49:08 | Steele | you can run linux on a ps2? =O |
| 01:49:27 | perl|perl | this is the error line |
| 01:49:28 | perl|perl | install: release/arm-elf-gcc/arm-elf-gcc-4.0.3-1.tar.bz2 5979025 a22d2c72d1e9ac1 |
| 01:49:30 | hachi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS2_Linux |
| 01:49:31 | MonkeyTamer | I've heard people running linux on just about anything |
| 01:49:45 | hachi | it was officially sanctioned and released by sony |
| 01:49:56 | hachi | I have it at home, it's a bitch to set up |
| 01:50:05 | MonkeyTamer | I've even heard of some rudimentary versions on a washing machine |
| 01:50:10 | Steele | what do you mean error line? |
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| 01:50:47 | perl|perl | [19:15] <perl|perl> from ttp://download.rockbox.org/cygwin/ its the parse errro (null) line 61: syntax error, unexpected STRING, expecting NL |
| 01:50:47 | perl|perl | [19:16] <perl|perl> followed by (do you have the latest setup?) |
| 01:51:14 | Steele | its not free tho? cus if not, nvm. |
| 01:51:20 | Steele | im a cheap bastard =D |
| 01:51:33 | hachi | I didn't buy the kit, I made my own :) |
| 01:51:45 | MonkeyTamer | hm.. eterm won't open |
| 01:51:55 | perl|perl | line 61 is |
| 01:51:56 | perl|perl | install: release/arm-elf-gcc/arm-elf-gcc-4.0.3-1.tar.bz2 5979025 a22d2c72d1e9ac1 |
| 01:52:22 | Steele | i have no clue what you are saying man |
| 01:52:56 | perl|perl | its about setup cygwin from rockbox.org |
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| 01:53:12 | Mikachu | Steele: then why are you replying to him? |
| 01:53:26 | Steele | i thought he was telling me how to get linux on my ps2. |
| 01:53:37 | Mikachu | optimist |
| 01:53:52 | BiptoN | get an xbox instead |
| 01:54:18 | Steele | what are some plug ins that you guys have extra on rockbox? |
| 01:54:20 | perl|perl | can i just overwrite files from arm-elf-gcc-4.0.3-1.tar.bz2 ? |
| 01:54:34 | DataGhost | hey Llorean how was linus doing with the fat32 reads on rockbox? (80GB) |
| 01:54:42 | Steele | excluding linux, cus that's a little hard to install. |
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| 01:56:06 | hachi | I appreciate the concept of loader2, but it puzzles me so |
| 01:56:09 | Steele | what are some plug ins that you guys have extra on rockbox? |
| 01:56:45 | Steele | i just use the regular loader that loads rockbox normally, and the original OS when hold is on |
| 01:56:56 | Llorean | Steele: All the official plugins are included. |
| 01:57:05 | Llorean | DataGhost: I honestly don't know, sorry. |
| 01:57:06 | DataGhost | what's puzzling about it hachi? |
| 01:57:10 | hachi | Steele: sorry, I'm not speaking at you |
| 01:57:11 | DataGhost | hm ok Llorean |
| 01:57:43 | Steele | i meant plugins that aren't official. |
| 01:57:44 | DataGhost | I'll ask him tomorrow if i've beaten him, then :P |
| 01:57:45 | hachi | DataGhost: it works... but it seems to be unable to read my config file for it |
| 01:58:03 | DataGhost | strange hachi... which version, which iPod? |
| 01:58:15 | hachi | DataGhost: it can load the rockbox.ipod firmware into ram and launch it |
| 01:58:27 | hachi | subversion from like... saturday? |
| 01:58:30 | Llorean | Steele: Anything else can pretty much be found in the patch tracker, though you'll mostly need to be able to compile. |
| 01:58:35 | hachi | and I'm on a 5.5 80gb |
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| 01:58:42 | DataGhost | ah that would be the one I modified then |
| 01:58:42 | Llorean | Steele: There really aren't many. Most people try to get their plugins included. |
| 01:58:47 | DataGhost | but how is it not reading your config file? |
| 01:59:00 | Steele | what do you mean by compile? sorry for all the questions, just a lil n00b :P |
| 01:59:06 | hachi | I set colors in it, and it does nothing with them... as far as I can tell |
| 01:59:10 | DataGhost | because it *SHOULD* work on the 80GB more than on any other iPod (since it was developed to fix issues with the 80GB :P) |
| 01:59:14 | Llorean | Steele: Google 'compile'. |
| 01:59:16 | DataGhost | oh |
| 01:59:20 | DataGhost | eh. I don't know about that |
| 01:59:22 | Steele | lol K |
| 01:59:26 | Steele | thanks. |
| 01:59:30 | DataGhost | try adding extra menu entries? :) then you'll see what's going wrong |
| 01:59:45 | DataGhost | also, where did you put that file and what's it's name? |
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| 02:00:23 | hachi | on the fat32 partition... and I'm looking now |
| 02:00:31 | hachi | I read the source to try and figure out where to put it |
| 02:00:51 | DataGhost | it should work from the fat32 partition... I just think you misnamed it :P |
| 02:01:00 | hachi | ipodloader.conf |
| 02:01:08 | DataGhost | hm that should be allright |
| 02:01:16 | DataGhost | and your rockbox file is on the fat32 partition too? |
| 02:01:16 | hachi | in / |
| 02:01:21 | hachi | yeah |
| 02:01:26 | DataGhost | so it can read it |
| 02:01:41 | hachi | does it understand tabs... maybe it doesn't |
| 02:02:03 | DataGhost | eh... not sure.. I think it does, but change them into spaces anyway :) |
| 02:02:40 | hachi | well hell, that's it |
| 02:02:52 | DataGhost | lol |
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| 02:05:08 | hachi | I am happy now, very happy |
| 02:05:25 | hachi | does ipl have any trick like... being able to plug in a usb keyboard with the adaptor? |
| 02:08:30 | * | Llorean points out this is #Rockbox |
| 02:08:40 | Mikachu | it's not polite to point, Llorean |
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| 02:08:50 | hachi | :) |
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| 02:29:43 | DataGhost | http://de.dataghost.com/ipl/iPL-5.5G-80GB-FAT32.avi http://de.dataghost.com/ipl/IMG_7746.jpg http://de.dataghost.com/ipl/IMG_7747.jpg <- to anyone who is interested :P |
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| 03:20:23 | Soap | Anyone here all that familiar with the iPod Minis? |
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| 03:21:09 | Soap | I'm curious if the first generation mini can take the same battery as the Second generation mini - or if the 2nd Gen's longer runtime is due to the 5022 compared to the 5020. |
| 03:27:48 | dewdude | knowing apple...they don't take the same battery |
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| 03:30:08 | Llorean | Wouldn't the easiest solution be to see if sites sold G1/G2 mini batteries, or if they were separate items? |
| 03:30:57 | Soap | I guess I phrased the question wrong, totally wrong. |
| 03:31:56 | Soap | I don't care if they can take the same battery - I'm curious if they were shipped with the same capacity battery, or if the 5022 (or other hardware tweaks) was responsible for the battery life difference. |
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| 03:34:05 | Soap | I only found conflicting information, little of it consistant, and daddy Apple talks of runtime but not honest specs. |
| 03:34:17 | Llorean | Aaah |
| 03:34:28 | Llorean | I don't think we know. |
| 03:36:52 | Soap | I want a flash-player, not the nano, and the idea of dropping a CF card into a mini has been tempting me. The idea that I can beat the **** out of a mini, trash the HD, THEN put a cheap CF card in it is even more tempting. |
| 03:38:07 | daurn | lol |
| 03:40:16 | dewdude | CF cards will work in a mini? |
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| 03:46:54 | Soap | some will. |
| 03:48:30 | dewdude | crazy |
| 03:48:45 | dewdude | ...i know what i would do tho..i'd modify the case so i could swap CF cards |
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| 03:52:42 | Llorean | dewdude: Unless you got Rockbox into flash on the iPod, each CF card would have to be pre-prepared to boot Rockbox. |
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| 03:53:24 | dewdude | Llorean, yes. i thought of that as soon as i thought of the swapping card idea |
| 03:53:55 | Soap | All the non-portaplayer targets are too expensive or too huge. :( |
| 03:54:19 | Soap | (too expensive to turn into a "beater") |
| 03:54:31 | Llorean | Soap: Or are the Ondio, and impossible to find. |
| 03:54:35 | dewdude | the only factor that determined my ipod purcahse aside from rockbox support was the fact it was the easiest one to obtain |
| 03:56:11 | dewdude | and while i don't abuse my ipod excessively...it's pretty well protected from further scratches |
| 03:58:43 | Soap | maybe I'll just wait for the Sansa. |
| 03:59:10 | dewdude | i saw one of those. i'm diffently open to the idea now of another rockbox compatible player |
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| 04:00:25 | JdGordon | Llorean: did you have a look at the root patch before it went out of sync? |
| 04:00:32 | JdGordon | root menu patch* |
| 04:03:37 | Llorean | JdGordon: No, I haven't looked at it yet, sorry. |
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| 04:07:18 | * | Soap still doesn't grok the whole root menu thingie. Is it going to happen - or is it just getting kicked around? |
| 04:08:16 | Llorean | Soap: It's going to happen, so long as it doesn't end up fading away before completion. |
| 04:08:40 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I think someone needs to smack all those people who want a bug fixed, but can't be bothered to provide feedback on attempted fixes so you know if you're getting anywhere. |
| 04:09:05 | Llorean | Soap: I'm pretty sure everyone's on board with it, so long as it's implemented properly. |
| 04:09:53 | Soap | I've been very busy and have fallen behind on my reading. |
| 04:11:03 | Soap | (also been playing around with very silly compile-time splashscreen creation) |
| 04:12:07 | JdGordon | Soap: yeah, everyone likes the idea.. the only thing holding it back is the english for the various items... and which items move out of the main menu into the root one |
| 04:13:14 | * | JdGordon hopes to resync it today, if time permits |
| 04:13:24 | Soap | where is the best place to read/comment on such matters? The mailing list, the wiki page, or the forums? |
| 04:14:19 | Soap | (or is the answer to that question simply "Yes"?) |
| 04:14:59 | Llorean | Soap: I don't think there's been any non-IRC discussion of the Root Menu concept yet, or at least not much |
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| 04:18:17 | daurn | hi jd |
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| 04:22:12 | jhMikeS | Llorean: thanks for the support. I feel a bit better |
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| 04:29:04 | jhMikeS | if they met me personally I doubt they'd dare try that crap :) |
| 04:29:57 | Llorean | Hahaha |
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| 04:31:31 | Terinjokes | the new USB update is very dangerous |
| 04:31:55 | Terinjokes | It really should be an option |
| 04:33:59 | Terinjokes | i'm sure many people charge their ipods by plugging the USB into their directv box (hell, why not, its turned on 24/7), however with the new USB driver, it will now crash the directv box, sending it into an endless boot-loop (and the ipod ironically enters a reboot-loop as well) |
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| 04:35:36 | Terinjokes | even when holding 'menu' when plugging in the USB cable reset the box |
| 04:35:51 | Terinjokes | (me wonders how he is going to charge the ipod now) |
| 04:36:07 | Llorean | You could actually plug it into something you're *supposed* to plug it into |
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| 04:36:10 | Llorean | Like a computer or a charger. |
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| 04:36:32 | Terinjokes | Llorean: i don't have a wall charger, and can't charge from the computer |
| 04:36:46 | Llorean | Your computer doesn't have USB ports? |
| 04:37:03 | Terinjokes | it does, just its not possible to charge from the lappy |
| 04:37:18 | Llorean | Why did you buy an MP3 player that can only charge from USB? What would you have done if the retail firmware wouldn't charge from the DirectTV box? |
| 04:38:07 | Terinjokes | Llorean: i knew the retail firmware charged from the directv box (so does my cell phone and pda) |
| 04:38:15 | daurn | for the fashion |
| 04:38:19 | Llorean | Terinjokes: You tested someone else's iPod first? |
| 04:38:34 | Llorean | Anyway just boot your iPod into the retail OS then |
| 04:38:35 | daurn | Terinjokes: just buy a powered usb hub |
| 04:38:48 | Terinjokes | daurn: how would that help? |
| 04:38:58 | Llorean | If your iPod's turned off, and the hold switch is on, when you plug it into the DTV box, it'll boot into the retail firmware first. |
| 04:39:17 | Terinjokes | yes Llorean that what i ended up doing |
| 04:39:42 | Terinjokes | just figured i'll report the problem, in case someone can see a better solution |
| 04:40:15 | Llorean | Anyway, what are the USB ports on the DirectTV box actually for, specifically? |
| 04:40:52 | Terinjokes | probably for the directv maintance people, so they can reflash the system or test junk |
| 04:41:04 | Terinjokes | IDK really |
| 04:41:10 | Llorean | So, you're using them for an unintended purpose and complaining because their software doesn't handle it well? |
| 04:41:14 | scorche | they are typically for addons |
| 04:41:31 | scorche | in other words, adding wi-fi to the box or something like that |
| 04:41:33 | Llorean | There could very well be *nothing* wrong with Rockbox's code, except for the fact that you're plugging the iPod into something it shouldn't be. |
| 04:42:03 | Llorean | I'd be interested to know if your iPod in the Apple firmware goes into disk mode while plugged in, or just charges without showing the connection screen though. |
| 04:42:18 | Terinjokes | Llorean: jumps the a 'charging' screen |
| 04:42:34 | Terinjokes | jumps to* |
| 04:42:42 | Llorean | Which 'charging' screen do you mean? |
| 04:42:51 | jhMikeS | anyhew, If petur's around and I don't see him and he wasn't aware of that update, before he goes taping shortly, I recommend he use that latest one. |
| 04:42:54 | Terinjokes | a big green charging battery |
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| 04:43:41 | kayasha | any now how to put video on a iriver h10 |
| 04:43:45 | kayasha | ? |
| 04:44:16 | Terinjokes | Llorean: any ideas? |
| 04:44:24 | Llorean | Terinjokes: Yes, don't plug your iPod into it. |
| 04:44:54 | Terinjokes | that seems like a lazy solution... :P |
| 04:45:05 | kayasha | ? |
| 04:45:09 | Llorean | Terinjokes: Okay then: Code a solution. |
| 04:45:22 | Llorean | Terinjokes: You're the one who wants to use two pieces of hardware together that really aren't meant to be. So you solve the problem. |
| 04:45:39 | Llorean | kayasha: See the PluginMpegplayer page on the wiki. |
| 04:45:49 | kayasha | yap |
| 04:46:02 | Terinjokes | Llorean: the USB driver is suppose to detect between a wall charger and a computer, correct? |
| 04:46:17 | Llorean | Terinjokes: Yes, and the DirectTV box probably is registering as a computer. |
| 04:47:54 | Terinjokes | As it is (it runs linux), but shouldn't the rockbox have an option to turn off USB mode, so it automagically goes into a charging only option (ie, what used to happen when you held 'menu' when plugging in a USB) |
| 04:48:20 | kayasha | need to be in mpeg |
| 04:48:31 | Llorean | Terinjokes: When you plug in the Rockbox'ed iPod, what does it do before the DTV box crashes? |
| 04:48:37 | Llorean | kayasha: The page explains what you need to do... |
| 04:48:50 | kayasha | ok |
| 04:49:05 | Terinjokes | Llorean: the rockbox or the DTV? |
| 04:49:17 | Llorean | Terinjokes: The iPod. |
| 04:49:30 | Llorean | You don't use pronouns before the nouns they represent. |
| 04:50:00 | Terinjokes | Llorean: I'm a sticker, surprised i let myself write that |
| 04:50:52 | Llorean | So, does Rockbox show the USB logo or not? |
| 04:51:25 | Terinjokes | Llorean: rockbox freezes for a long moment, shows the USB icon, shuts the backlight off, reboots into disk mode, says 'Do Not Disconnect', then says 'Ok to Disconnect', then reboots into a loop (since the DTV 'disconnects' when it crashes) |
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| 04:51:49 | Llorean | Terinjokes: Which means that Rockbox is detecting it as a computer. |
| 04:52:10 | Llorean | In which case it does what it's always done when USB has been plugged in. |
| 04:52:23 | Llorean | If you hold Menu down, it also does what it used to do when you held Menu down. |
| 04:53:52 | Terinjokes | yes, rockbox doesn't reboot, but it still (somehow) crashes the DTV |
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| 04:54:41 | Llorean | It doesn't crash the DTV. The DTV crashes itself when it can't handle whatever's coming across the USB. |
| 04:55:20 | Llorean | It's still a problem with the DTV getting something unexpected across the USB, it's just a question of what, but since it doesn't seem to crash regular computers, I would suggest that it's probably simply because you're doing something you shouldn't. |
| 04:55:51 | Terinjokes | Llorean: but it has to do with something with rockbox, since OF doesn't cause the crash |
| 04:56:08 | Llorean | Yes, but that doesn't *mean* that Rockbox is doing something wrong. |
| 04:56:10 | Llorean | Just something different. |
| 04:56:27 | Llorean | Whether that something different is wrong, or just something that's still okay but unexpected by the DTV box remains to be seen. |
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| 04:57:04 | Terinjokes | true, but if in 'menu'-held mode, it should only identify itself as something needing juice, and not send over the USB code |
| 04:57:36 | Terinjokes | similer to when I plugging i USB-powered light, for example |
| 04:58:01 | Terinjokes | or my cell phone/PDA |
| 04:58:08 | Llorean | Rockbox doesn't have enough control over the USB to have it "identify itself" |
| 04:58:15 | Llorean | Rockbox doesn't do anything like that. |
| 04:58:55 | Terinjokes | Llorean: there is still something different now, then before... what it is IDK, but its certainly something to look into |
| 04:59:04 | Llorean | Terinjokes: Only if it's wrong. |
| 04:59:27 | Terinjokes | Llorean: it might not be wrong, but if its something fixible... |
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| 04:59:39 | Llorean | Terinjokes: You don't "fix" something that's not broken. |
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| 05:00:00 | Terinjokes | Llorean: you might want to tell a few software/hardware companies that then... |
| 05:00:18 | Terinjokes | anyways, i got to go to bed, i'll look into it tomorrow |
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| 05:00:23 | Llorean | The very definition of the word 'fix' requires that there be something broken |
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| 05:03:22 | MonkeyTamer | eterm doesn't seem to open for me after upgrading... |
| 05:03:33 | Llorean | Upgrading how? |
| 05:03:46 | MonkeyTamer | using vmware |
| 05:03:52 | MonkeyTamer | and the debian |
| 05:03:57 | Llorean | No, I mean *how* did you perform the upgrade? What did you do? |
| 05:04:03 | MonkeyTamer | apt-get upgrade |
| 05:04:08 | MonkeyTamer | after logging |
| 05:04:21 | Llorean | Well then you may have broken something. |
| 05:04:39 | MonkeyTamer | that's not good.. |
| 05:04:39 | Llorean | Did you know what you were doing? |
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| 05:05:07 | MonkeyTamer | to be honest... no... I was trying to be self sufficient in upgrading the elf-arm myself... |
| 05:05:14 | MonkeyTamer | er updating |
| 05:05:25 | Llorean | So you didn't ask for help, but instead just guessed at something to do? |
| 05:05:34 | MonkeyTamer | I tried, but people were busy |
| 05:06:06 | MonkeyTamer | I did try to ask you earlier actually, but I didn't want to be too persistent |
| 05:06:09 | Llorean | apt-get upgrade tries to upgrade the whole debian installation, and is pretty much unrelated to the cross-compilers we use. |
| 05:06:37 | MonkeyTamer | what function would I use then? |
| 05:06:51 | Llorean | You'd need to use the rockboxdev.sh script (which actually installs things to a different directory to where they are now, but you can just remove the old one and rename the new one and you're set) |
| 05:07:35 | Llorean | After running it, you'd have /usr/local/arm-elf (the new folder) and you need to remove /usr/local/arm and then rename arm-elf to arm, and you're done. |
| 05:09:02 | MonkeyTamer | is the script separate, or integrated already in a function? |
| 05:09:30 | Llorean | I don't even know what you're asking with that. |
| 05:09:35 | Llorean | Integrated already in a function? |
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| 05:09:53 | MonkeyTamer | I mean do I have to download anything, or is part of "apt-get" or another command |
| 05:10:21 | Llorean | Okay, get a clean debian image, and check out the Rockbox sources (a clean image to fix your eterm woes) |
| 05:10:32 | Llorean | Get into the /tools/ folder in the Rockbox sources. |
| 05:11:12 | MonkeyTamer | got it |
| 05:12:21 | Llorean | Okay, once you're in the /tools/ folder, type each line here, one at a time. I may have missed a couple yes/no style questions. http://pastebin.ca/346202 |
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| 05:12:48 | Llorean | It may take quite some time for the rockboxdev.sh script to finish |
| 05:13:14 | Llorean | When you're done and do arm-elf-gcc −−version it should say 4.0.3 |
| 05:14:02 | scorche | actually, i believe you have to add it to your path first |
| 05:14:28 | Llorean | scorche: Not if you follow my instructions |
| 05:14:48 | Llorean | scorche: Instead of adding it to the path, I just remove the old one that's already in the path, and put mine where it expects it to be. |
| 05:14:48 | scorche | ah...i see |
| 05:15:05 | scorche | yeah...i skipped that linefor some reason |
| 05:15:20 | Llorean | It seemed the easiest way since the paths were already all set |
| 05:15:59 | MonkeyTamer | thanks by the way for your patience |
| 05:16:37 | Llorean | MonkeyTamer: I'll have one more step for you to do if you do get 4.0.3 as the version by the way |
| 05:16:47 | Llorean | But it's just more or less cleanup |
| 05:17:02 | MonkeyTamer | certainly, I'll be ready in about 5 minutes or less |
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| 05:22:20 | tchan | question about rockbox on gigabeats: Why does Main Menu, Playlist Options, Create Playlist from the "root" successfully create root.m3u8, BUT the list is sorted in a very strange way. Its by album, but each album's songs seem shuffled ? |
| 05:24:05 | Llorean | Shuffled, or just out of order in clumps? |
| 05:24:31 | tchan | The songs seems shuffled for each album |
| 05:24:50 | Llorean | Because that option creates the playlist with the files in the order they're found on disk, which often means the order they were copied over, which can often depend on the order they were in in their folder before being copied over. |
| 05:25:34 | tchan | ahh, okay. Can I create a root playlist that is sorted alphabetically by album then title ? |
| 05:26:38 | Llorean | I'm not really sure what would be the best way to do that. |
| 05:27:12 | tchan | especially since I named all the song for each album to have the track number as the 1st part of each song name |
| 05:27:48 | Llorean | Really it's uncommon for them to be entirely shuffled |
| 05:28:04 | tchan | like 01.songname, 02.songname, |
| 05:28:04 | Llorean | Usually it'll be things like track 1, 10, 11, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 |
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| 05:28:21 | tchan | all the track have two digit numbering |
| 05:28:52 | Llorean | And what happens if you just insert a single album's folder into a playlist? |
| 05:31:04 | tchan | sorry I'm having trouble figuring out how to do that, inserting a single album's folder into a playlist (still a rockbox newbie) |
| 05:31:35 | Llorean | Click and hold on the folder, then choose Playlist, then Insert |
| 05:31:39 | Llorean | Make sure shuffle is not on, of course |
| 05:32:04 | tchan | yup shuffle is off and repeat is off |
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| 05:32:48 | Llorean | So what happens when you insert a single album's folder? |
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| 05:33:24 | tchan | I've clicked on a single folder,chosen playlist and inserted and rockbox says its inserted the 14 songs in this folder |
| 05:33:36 | Llorean | yes, but what order are they in? |
| 05:34:04 | tchan | sorry, how do I see the newly inserted playlist's order ? |
| 05:34:35 | Llorean | In the main menu you can choose to view the current playlist under Playlist Options I believe |
| 05:35:28 | tchan | that worked and a single's album inserted all the songs correctly in order 01..14 |
| 05:35:55 | MonkeyTamer | do I type: ./rockboxdev.sh in the home/user path? |
| 05:36:15 | Llorean | MonkeyTamer: You should be doing it in the tools folder. |
| 05:36:23 | Llorean | MonkeyTamer: I told you to be in the tools folder before starting that. |
| 05:36:24 | MonkeyTamer | oops sorry I had forgotten |
| 05:36:41 | Llorean | tchan: Is your music all in one /music/ folder? |
| 05:36:51 | Llorean | Like /music/Artist/Album/Track.mp3? |
| 05:37:12 | tchan | yes, /music/Album/01Track.mp3 |
| 05:37:37 | Llorean | Then to create a playlist like you want, Stop, then click and insert the Music folder while music is stopped |
| 05:37:40 | Llorean | Then just save that playlist |
| 05:38:02 | jhMikeS | hey, where do I get that rockboxdev.sh? Do I _really_ need a clean debian image? Rrrr...don't wanna set everything up from scratch again. |
| 05:38:23 | Llorean | jhMikeS: No, he just broke something |
| 05:38:50 | Llorean | jhMikeS: apt-get install bzip2, run the rockboxdev.sh in the /tools/ folder of the sources. |
| 05:38:51 | jhMikeS | Llorean: The sh is in the wiki somewhere now? |
| 05:39:27 | Llorean | jhMikeS: It'll install arm-elf-gcc to /usr/local/arm-elf, since the old one was in /usr/local/arm, just mv the old folder away, and then rename/mv arm-elf to arm, and you're done. |
| 05:39:41 | Llorean | jhMikeS: The rockboxdev.sh is in the tools folder. |
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| 05:39:52 | jhMikeS | oh, silly me :P |
| 05:39:57 | Llorean | Or you could play with the paths to make them fit. |
| 05:40:04 | Llorean | But I decided the mv option was the easiest for me. |
| 05:40:26 | jhMikeS | heh, ok I see it. thanks. |
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| 05:45:52 | ppeom | hi all.. |
| 05:46:09 | ppeom | sombody know this error ? |
| 05:46:10 | ppeom | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=13214 |
| 05:47:36 | jhMikeS | Llorean: does the script require that my current directory be anything in particular? |
| 05:48:08 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Not as far as I'm aware. |
| 05:48:27 | Llorean | Did it fail? |
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| 05:48:51 | jhMikeS | I didn't even try running it before knowing, soon to find out :) |
| 05:48:59 | Llorean | jhMikeS: did you install bzip2 first? |
| 05:49:17 | jhMikeS | yes, that's done |
| 05:49:19 | Llorean | Okay |
| 05:49:41 | jhMikeS | use 'all' ? |
| 05:50:00 | Llorean | You just need A |
| 05:50:04 | Llorean | arm-elf-gcc |
| 05:50:12 | Llorean | The other two, I believe, haven't changed version |
| 05:50:46 | jhMikeS | ok, it's getting 12MB |
| 05:51:06 | Llorean | That'll be binutils. It'll grab GCC, which is bigger, next. |
| 05:51:16 | jhMikeS | 32 now |
| 05:53:53 | jhMikeS | I hope I don't run out of room while it's working. says 146MB is free...sufficient? |
| 05:54:52 | Llorean | I don't know. |
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| 05:55:27 | jhMikeS | I'm getting lots of error with .java stuff...hrm...no such file or directory |
| 05:56:20 | jhMikeS | hrm...better move thing out...no space left on device and try again |
| 05:57:10 | Llorean | =/ |
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| 06:07:17 | perldiver | i had no lick updating from cygwin on rockbox.org |
| 06:07:25 | perldiver | luck* |
| 06:07:55 | ppeom | who's know that's error? |
| 06:07:55 | ppeom | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=13214 |
| 06:09:15 | MonkeyTamer | you need to update the elf-arm |
| 06:10:27 | ppeom | monkeyTamer |
| 06:10:37 | MonkeyTamer | ? |
| 06:10:41 | ppeom | elf-arm update? |
| 06:10:55 | MonkeyTamer | you're using cygwin? |
| 06:10:59 | ppeom | yes.. |
| 06:11:26 | MonkeyTamer | I know there's a threat regarding that; I am unsure how to update it by itself |
| 06:11:27 | ppeom | I'm compile using cygwin.. |
| 06:12:02 | MonkeyTamer | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8711.0 |
| 06:12:09 | ppeom | thank you.. |
| 06:12:26 | MonkeyTamer | no problem |
| 06:12:57 | ppeom | monkeyTamer.. |
| 06:13:09 | ppeom | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=13214 |
| 06:13:27 | ppeom | that's problem because elf-arm old version ? |
| 06:13:45 | MonkeyTamer | I had the same error |
| 06:14:01 | ppeom | upgrade after solve it? |
| 06:14:17 | MonkeyTamer | yes, an upgrade to 4.0.3 should solve it |
| 06:14:29 | ppeom | all delete re install? |
| 06:14:29 | MonkeyTamer | I think you just run setup, and just download the elf-arm |
| 06:14:40 | MonkeyTamer | I don't think you have to reinstall everything |
| 06:15:20 | ppeom | only setup.. |
| 06:15:25 | ppeom | i'm doing now.. |
| 06:15:27 | MonkeyTamer | just use the setup to download/install the elf-arm |
| 06:15:27 | ppeom | thank you.. |
| 06:15:49 | MonkeyTamer | sure, no problem, though I wish someone a bit more knowledgable could help you |
| 06:15:57 | MonkeyTamer | I've never used cygwin |
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| 06:22:06 | theone | I have an urgent problem regarding my battery - I'm afraid it might explode & don't know what to do... |
| 06:22:41 | scorche | put a heavy pot over it and hide behind the counter? |
| 06:23:18 | theone | a pot will handle the explosion (seriously)? |
| 06:23:33 | theone | I just don't want it to explode & set my room on fire |
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| 06:24:27 | MonkeyTamer | actually a pot would probably do pretty well |
| 06:24:42 | MonkeyTamer | as long as the top is sealed |
| 06:24:49 | theone | so the explosion is pretty small? |
| 06:24:58 | MonkeyTamer | with a lithium battery? |
| 06:25:16 | theone | yeah - 2nd gen iPod-like battery |
| 06:25:23 | MonkeyTamer | lithium batteries can't really produce very big explosions.. it's rather neglible |
| 06:25:31 | MonkeyTamer | it's more about the fire caused by it |
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| 06:26:08 | theone | is there a proper way to get rid of this battery (or perhaps 'neutralize' it)...lol sound like a bomb squad |
| 06:26:12 | MonkeyTamer | why would it be exploding? |
| 06:26:36 | ppeom | monkeytamer arm-elf-gcc 4.0.3.01 ? |
| 06:26:37 | theone | the gas buildup has gotten to the point where when you press it, it's like a tight balloon |
| 06:26:40 | MonkeyTamer | yes |
| 06:26:48 | ppeom | thank you.. |
| 06:26:56 | ppeom | i'm installing.. |
| 06:27:08 | MonkeyTamer | what exactly are you doing to it? |
| 06:27:25 | MonkeyTamer | to the battery that is |
| 06:28:10 | theone | it's just been sitting for a while now |
| 06:28:52 | MonkeyTamer | if it's that old... it really shouldn't be potent at all |
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| 06:29:28 | theone | it all started when one day my H320 was making sounds...turns out the battery was expanding and causing too much pressure on the hard drive, so I just took it apart and it's been sitting (still connected to the H320 though) [uploading apicture] |
| 06:30:17 | mrqcho | is it normal when the database is being built for the same time to say Progress: -1% (on the debug menu) while it's indexing the files? |
| 06:30:33 | mrqcho | *for the first time |
| 06:31:04 | MonkeyTamer | I don't really use the debug menu, but database building shouldn't take longer than about 2 minutes |
| 06:31:36 | theone | crappy razr picture: http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9060/02080723271yl5.jpg |
| 06:31:46 | mrqcho | I haven't been able to get it to work... so I went to look at the debug menu to see what was going on... |
| 06:32:18 | MonkeyTamer | that's really strange for a battery to do that |
| 06:32:21 | mrqcho | do you happen to know any "common" reasons for the database not to build? |
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| 06:33:07 | MonkeyTamer | perhaps bad tags... not resetting |
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| 06:33:46 | theone | I thought about snipping the wires cause I read gas builds up when it's discharging...so maybe I should disconnect the H320 from it? but I don't wanna short it out when snipping the wires |
| 06:34:09 | MonkeyTamer | that might not be a good idea to snip the wires |
| 06:34:19 | mrqcho_ | it's not the resetting part as it never stops... it keeps writting to the HD for about 30-40 mins.... |
| 06:34:40 | MonkeyTamer | that's odd |
| 06:34:53 | MonkeyTamer | what build? |
| 06:34:58 | mrqcho_ | which I find really weird.. my collection is about 30 gb btw.. for reference... but I've read on the forums it shouldn't take that long |
| 06:35:20 | mrqcho_ | that was what I was just about to try... changing the build... |
| 06:35:21 | MonkeyTamer | and what device? |
| 06:35:32 | mrqcho_ | today's build with julius on top |
| 06:35:35 | mrqcho_ | ipod %G |
| 06:35:36 | mrqcho_ | 5G |
| 06:35:46 | MonkeyTamer | hmm.. the julius is a bit old tho |
| 06:35:48 | mrqcho_ | 60GB 5.0G |
| 06:36:11 | MonkeyTamer | I would recommend either sticking to one or the other |
| 06:36:19 | MonkeyTamer | it could cause issues |
| 06:36:39 | mrqcho_ | yeah.. I was thinking about that... that might be the problem... I'm going to try running it with a clean install... first... |
| 06:37:03 | mrqcho_ | thanks... though.. which I should had actually done from the beginning |
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| 06:38:20 | MonkeyTamer | no problem |
| 06:38:31 | MonkeyTamer | the recent builds actually seem to be working fairly well |
| 06:38:41 | MonkeyTamer | besides some improvements |
| 06:38:48 | MonkeyTamer | such as detection of the ac charger |
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| 06:40:42 | MonkeyTamer | theone, I haven't a clue about the battery; you should likely handle it carefully, but don't necessarily do something that may short circuit the battery |
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| 06:41:07 | mrqcho_ | cool... thanks... I basically wanted a couple of patches.. for the theme... but since I haven't really looked on how to patch the builds.. so I just downloaded julius'... |
| 06:41:11 | MonkeyTamer | a battery that small is unlikely to do much damage, but still, any damage is no good |
| 06:41:24 | MonkeyTamer | you can compile your own if you're adventurius |
| 06:41:30 | MonkeyTamer | *adventurous |
| 06:41:37 | MonkeyTamer | or |
| 06:41:45 | MonkeyTamer | julius should update in couple of week |
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| 06:41:58 | MonkeyTamer | senab also makes builds as well |
| 06:42:03 | theone | MonkeyTamer, thanks |
| 06:42:05 | safetydan | preglow, have you seen this? http://svn.xiph.org/trunk/speex/libspeex/resample.c |
| 06:42:19 | safetydan | claims to have a fixed point version |
| 06:44:28 | mrqcho_ | I tried senab's (but the theme I was trying to use didn't quite work well with it.. for the scrolling area patch part.... I'm going to try a clean install first and go from there... |
| 06:45:20 | MonkeyTamer | I love themes... but sometimes all the patches can be a pain.. especially because they need to be resynced so often |
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| 06:46:07 | mrqcho_ | I hear ya... I'm basically just trying to get something working for tomorrow for now... cuz I have a long drive... I'll try to do all the fancy stuff for when I get back |
| 06:48:07 | MonkeyTamer | I create my own builds now because it's a bit more independent |
| 06:48:22 | MonkeyTamer | but... I know not how to sync patches, so that is a down part of it |
| 06:48:47 | MonkeyTamer | therefore, I use ones such as the koc patch |
| 06:50:03 | ppeom | mokeyTamer arm-elf-gcc install after install if canceling? |
| 06:50:50 | MonkeyTamer | I don't quite understand you.. |
| 06:51:16 | ppeom | able only arm-elf-gcc install ? |
| 06:51:36 | MonkeyTamer | if you have everything else, then only the arm-elf-gcc |
| 06:51:51 | MonkeyTamer | that's the only thing to update as far as I know |
| 06:51:57 | ppeom | ah.. |
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| 06:52:50 | MonkeyTamer | I think I've spent more time figuring how to update then anything else... but at least I am done |
| 06:53:46 | MonkeyTamer | decayedcell, did you ever get around to trying cpu_freq_60-90-v5? |
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| 07:19:33 | decayedcell | MonkeyTamer nop... does it sync? |
| 07:19:37 | MonkeyTamer | yup |
| 07:19:53 | MonkeyTamer | last that I checked at least |
| 07:19:53 | decayedcell | cbf booting into Linux atm tho |
| 07:20:02 | MonkeyTamer | which was yesterday |
| 07:21:00 | MonkeyTamer | with the way the menu is being slow, I'm going to try applying it |
| 07:22:11 | MonkeyTamer | synced without issue |
| 07:23:34 | ppeom | monkeytamer.. |
| 07:23:40 | ppeom | I reinstall 4.03 |
| 07:23:50 | MonkeyTamer | any luck? |
| 07:24:22 | ppeom | but as ever error.. |
| 07:24:29 | MonkeyTamer | same one/ |
| 07:24:34 | jhMikeS | hmmm...better have a good 500MB free space on debian to run rockboxdev.sh. Had to change the script so it didn't have to extract the bzip2 files every time (to delete them) and didn't complain about build-rbdev being present. |
| 07:25:05 | MonkeyTamer | yeah, that took a while to perform |
| 07:27:29 | ppeom | http://crazyman9916.dobcast.com/eee2.jpg |
| 07:28:12 | MonkeyTamer | did it tell you you're using 4.0.3? |
| 07:28:23 | ppeom | yes 4.0.3 |
| 07:28:46 | mrqcho_ | I think that did it... plus the HD was giving me some I/O errors.. it's running the database perfectly now |
| 07:28:47 | MonkeyTamer | are you applying any patches? |
| 07:29:05 | ppeom | album art patch and |
| 07:29:08 | MonkeyTamer | great |
| 07:29:11 | ppeom | bmp resize patch |
| 07:29:20 | MonkeyTamer | it seems to be complaining about the bmp resize patch |
| 07:29:26 | MonkeyTamer | that patch may be out of sync |
| 07:29:59 | MonkeyTamer | or maybe not, it says bmpviewer |
| 07:30:31 | ppeom | i use that http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=13187 |
| 07:30:56 | ppeom | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5697 |
| 07:31:35 | jhMikeS | well, it all works anyway but wasn't a smooth trip |
| 07:33:31 | ppeom | I think all delete.. re instal. and try apply patch.. |
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| 07:34:40 | MonkeyTamer | it seems like it never is |
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| 07:36:20 | ppeom | monkeyTamer. |
| 07:36:31 | ppeom | rockbox dev kit reinsall? |
| 07:37:03 | MonkeyTamer | to be honest, I don't know anything about the patch, as I don't use it |
| 07:37:25 | MonkeyTamer | so I really don't know whether it's the patch causing the error, or something else |
| 07:38:04 | MonkeyTamer | the only thing that should have been necessary to update otherwise is the elf |
| 07:38:36 | ppeom | i'm gigabeat user.. |
| 07:38:53 | ppeom | bmp resize patch for ipod? |
| 07:39:39 | MonkeyTamer | I don't think it's exclusive to the ipod |
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| 07:43:03 | MonkeyTamer | if it has to do with the patch, I don't have a solution |
| 07:49:23 | ppeom | I see.. |
| 07:49:27 | ppeom | advice thank you.. |
| 07:49:41 | MonkeyTamer | you're welcome; good luck |
| 07:49:57 | ppeom | and i have other question.. |
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| 07:50:04 | ppeom | I make gigabeat zune theme.. |
| 07:50:22 | ppeom | I want uploading. how to rockbox wps gallery upload? |
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| 07:50:39 | MonkeyTamer | I think you have to get access |
| 07:51:00 | ppeom | i have flyspray access.. |
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| 07:51:37 | scorche | you need to register for a wiki account |
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| 07:51:56 | Ghoul | question about the Current Builds page |
| 07:52:10 | Ghoul | +I have a* |
| 07:52:37 | MonkeyTamer | you could post on the forums ppeom; that'll get some attention to your wps |
| 07:52:42 | * | scorche looks into his scrying crystal to attempt to decipher what that question is |
| 07:52:51 | scorche | MonkeyTamer: ... |
| 07:53:08 | MonkeyTamer | I guess I did a no no? |
| 07:53:09 | Ghoul | ok, well |
| 07:53:14 | Ghoul | what do the colors mean? |
| 07:53:16 | scorche | MonkeyTamer: if you had read the rules, you would have noticed that that is strictly a no no indeed |
| 07:53:25 | Ghoul | as in, on the board showing the updates of each build |
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| 07:53:43 | scorche | Ghoul: that is mainly for developers...they indicate any errors or warnings for the builds |
| 07:53:52 | Ghoul | ah ok |
| 07:53:53 | MonkeyTamer | sorry scorche... |
| 07:54:17 | scorche | MonkeyTamer: that is for input on work in progress WPSs |
| 07:54:20 | Ghoul | I clicked the latest Gigabeat one that had 32, and I saw lots of warnings about errors |
| 07:54:39 | MonkeyTamer | gotcha; I'll be more keen on the rules |
| 07:55:03 | ppeom | I see.. |
| 07:56:57 | MonkeyTamer | ghoul, that's for a build from a while ago |
| 07:57:14 | MonkeyTamer | in svn terms at least ;) |
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| 08:01:02 | Ghoul | hmm |
| 08:01:12 | Ghoul | so there is a new current build available that is error-free? |
| 08:01:15 | Ghoul | well, for the most part |
| 08:01:39 | scorche | Ghoul: yes...the top is the current build |
| 08:01:46 | Ghoul | oh ok |
| 08:01:52 | Ghoul | anything new worth mentioning? |
| 08:02:01 | scorche | the change log is on the front page |
| 08:02:51 | Ghoul | ok, thanks |
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| 08:51:48 | * | GodEater wonders if linuxstb is up and around yet |
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| 09:00:36 | DataGhost | hi GodEater |
| 09:00:51 | DataGhost | http://de.dataghost.com/ipl/iPL-5.5G-80GB-FAT32.avi http://de.dataghost.com/ipl/IMG_7746.jpg http://de.dataghost.com/ipl/IMG_7747.jpg :P |
| 09:01:14 | DataGhost | ooh it's LinusN |
| 09:01:22 | DataGhost | how are you coming along with fat32 on rb? |
| 09:01:44 | LinusN | slowly... i wish i had a time machine |
| 09:01:52 | DataGhost | heh |
| 09:02:16 | LinusN | not much left though, i hope |
| 09:02:30 | LinusN | it's all in my head |
| 09:02:40 | DataGhost | it was fairly easy to do in the linux kernel |
| 09:02:45 | LinusN | i bet it was |
| 09:02:54 | DataGhost | I just have to fix the errors/warnings it shows |
| 09:03:04 | DataGhost | and the potential buffer overflow that comes with it |
| 09:03:13 | DataGhost | once it's read the superblock it'll just work fine |
| 09:03:20 | DataGhost | but since that block is only 512b... :P |
| 09:03:29 | DataGhost | so that's why it didn't work |
| 09:04:22 | hcs | hmm, this takka guy would appear to know what he's doing |
| 09:06:00 | GodEater | hi DataGhost - sorry - was just catching up on the logs from last night - so I already saw you got the fat32 driver working properly ;) |
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| 09:06:09 | DataGhost | oh lol :P |
| 09:06:15 | GodEater | well done :) |
| 09:06:25 | DataGhost | it's still a dirty hack, though |
| 09:06:32 | DataGhost | in code which is also responsible for disk writes :P |
| 09:06:47 | DataGhost | so I dare not release anything until I get to the real problem :P |
| 09:06:50 | GodEater | is it just me, or did linuxstb just not commit the headers with the embedded bootloaders in it for ipod ? |
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| 09:07:22 | LinusN | GodEater: i think you are supposed to generate them yourself |
| 09:07:35 | GodEater | oh really ? |
| 09:07:39 | GodEater | I must have missed that bit |
| 09:08:10 | LinusN | feels unnecessary to include those in svn |
| 09:08:18 | GodEater | I guess so |
| 09:08:29 | LinusN | it's the same with the iriver patcher |
| 09:09:31 | GodEater | so if you're going to build it like that, you have to build ALL the bootloaders yourself, and then turn them into a .h file |
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| 09:12:31 | LinusN | yes |
| 09:13:29 | LinusN | i guess it could be done a little simpler, but then again, building the ipodpatcher is not for everyone |
| 09:15:07 | GodEater | true |
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| 09:24:02 | linuxstb | GodEater: The .h files are generated automatically by the makefile (and ipod2c) at the same time as the .c files. |
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| 09:39:15 | GodEater | I think I need to go back to Makefile school.... |
| 09:40:18 | linuxstb | All you need to do is uncomment two lines in the Makefile, and put all the .ipod bootloaders in the ipodpatcher directory. |
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| 09:43:25 | GodEater | how much testing does the interactive version need before it "goes live" ? |
| 09:44:28 | linuxstb | I'm quite confident with it, but I think the prompts and messages need improving. |
| 09:44:34 | hachi | DataGhost won't give up the patches :) |
| 09:44:57 | DataGhost | I modified the linux kernel, I have nothing to do with ipodpatcher |
| 09:44:59 | linuxstb | And maybe have an uninstall option as well in interactive mode. |
| 09:45:02 | DataGhost | or what are you referring to? |
| 09:45:23 | hachi | DataGhost: the 80gb patches |
| 09:45:28 | hcs | doh, I should've put the optimized fader in the nsf codec while I was committing the vrc6 fix... |
| 09:45:34 | hachi | I'm pushy and want to break my ipod |
| 09:45:41 | hachi | well, want to destroy data |
| 09:45:48 | DataGhost | heh |
| 09:45:52 | GodEater | I like that you thought to include a "Hit enter to exit" prompt so that double-clicking users don't see the window vanish as soon as it's finished. |
| 09:46:25 | GodEater | I thought about that after I'd gone out last night - but you clearly thought of it too :) |
| 09:47:04 | GodEater | shame you bottled out on the AOL speech though :) |
| 09:47:17 | linuxstb | :)\ |
| 09:47:28 | linuxstb | There's always the possibility of localisation in the future... |
| 09:47:52 | GodEater | hehehe |
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| 09:48:15 | * | linuxstb is tempted to run english.lang through that english-to-12-year-old-aoler translator... |
| 09:48:38 | GodEater | I was wondering if still more automation might be a good idea. Like, if ipodpatcher detects a virgin bootpartition, it backs it up for you to ipodpatcher's install dir whether you like it or not ? |
| 09:49:41 | linuxstb | I thought about that, but am confident enough in ipodpatcher that a backup isn't needed. You can always download the .ipsw file if you need a backup. |
| 09:49:47 | hachi | at my job I tend to force people to do things like that, unless they supply a flag like −−unsafe-skip-backup |
| 09:50:04 | hachi | so that I can circumvent my own safety devices |
| 09:50:12 | GodEater | linuxstb: that's true |
| 09:50:35 | GodEater | have you got any closer to working out why the grayscales are still broken ? |
| 09:50:41 | GodEater | in terms of dual boot that is |
| 09:52:07 | linuxstb | dan_a has been investigating (he has a 4g greyscale) and has got as far as discovering which CVS commit broke the bootloader. I still don't know if ipodpatcher is definitely doing something wrong, or if it's just the recent bootloaders - it installs loader2 fine. |
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| 09:53:36 | GodEater | and loader2 boots the OF okay in that case ? |
| 09:53:43 | linuxstb | Apparently, yes. |
| 09:53:50 | GodEater | Curious |
| 09:54:17 | linuxstb | So I'm waiting to see what happens when the bootloader is fixed. |
| 09:54:28 | GodEater | that was a lot of work by dan_a - don't envy him having to try all those revisions! |
| 09:54:49 | linuxstb | I think he did a binary search... |
| 09:55:26 | GodEater | is that what git bisect does ? |
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| 09:55:36 | * | GodEater needs to read up on git a bit more |
| 09:55:36 | linuxstb | I assume so. |
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| 09:57:58 | preglow | safetydan: having a look now |
| 09:59:16 | preglow | looks like windowed sinc with a hamming window at first glance |
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| 10:05:41 | safetydan | preglow, I'm going to pretend I know what that means. Just saw it mentioned in passing on some blog and thought it might be worth a look. |
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| 10:08:17 | preglow | it is |
| 10:13:16 | Mikachu | didn't someone port speex to rockbox? |
| 10:15:05 | w1ll14m_ | morning all |
| 10:17:30 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5607 maybe it includes the resampler |
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| 10:19:33 | safetydan | Mikachu, I believe the resampler is new in the past few days |
| 10:19:45 | Mikachu | ah |
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| 10:21:21 | preglow | Mikachu: freqmod has a patch up on the tracker |
| 10:21:22 | safetydan | So what's stopping that speex patch from being comitted? |
| 10:21:28 | preglow | which really should be commited now, i think |
| 10:21:46 | preglow | i'm not at my dev box, and won't be for the weekend, so can't be bothered to check it out now |
| 10:23:45 | safetydan | well it still applies cleanly so that's a start |
| 10:25:20 | safetydan | ah, but it doesn't build |
| 10:25:24 | preglow | :-) |
| 10:25:34 | safetydan | pcmbuf_insert_split |
| 10:25:39 | safetydan | I seem to recall there was an easy fix for that |
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| 10:27:36 | Mikachu | i think change to pcmbuf_insert, remove the loop, and maybe divide the last argument by 2 |
| 10:29:57 | preglow | ahh, indeed |
| 10:30:01 | preglow | not by twoi |
| 10:30:05 | Mikachu | four? |
| 10:30:08 | preglow | just make sure the number is the number of samples |
| 10:30:13 | preglow | it depends if the audio is interleaved or not |
| 10:30:14 | Mikachu | heh |
| 10:30:20 | preglow | the new argument is number of samples per channel |
| 10:30:24 | Mikachu | i just looked at the spc patch |
| 10:30:35 | safetydan | well I've got it building now |
| 10:30:39 | safetydan | time to find some speex samples |
| 10:31:01 | hcs | spc patch is interleaved |
| 10:31:13 | linuxstb | Is it still using its own ogg parser? |
| 10:31:20 | preglow | hcs: can that be changed easily? it puts more strain on dsp |
| 10:31:26 | preglow | linuxstb: wouldn't know, i think so |
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| 10:32:10 | hcs | preglow: it could be changed easily |
| 10:32:23 | safetydan | linuxstb, yes it is |
| 10:32:25 | hcs | I'd want to run some tests to see if it'd affect decoding speed at all |
| 10:32:48 | linuxstb | It would be nice if it could share ogg parsing code with Tremor (but that's just a "it would be nice" thing...) |
| 10:35:21 | safetydan | hrm, no actual speex files on the speex website |
| 10:36:06 | hcs | preglow: I actually intend to test some changes to the spc patch later today, I've added that to the list |
| 10:37:21 | Mikachu | safetydan: it would probably be easier to download the encoder :) |
| 10:38:24 | preglow | hcs: do so, does it use 16 bit output samples as well, btw? |
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| 10:38:53 | hcs | preglow: yes, 16 bit interleaved at 32KHz |
| 10:39:29 | safetydan | Mikachu, at this rate, yes it would :) |
| 10:39:33 | preglow | then deinterleaving might not help much, it'll have to be converted internally anyway |
| 10:40:05 | preglow | hcs: internal format is 32 bits, so you should try shifting the value up to 32 bits when outputting too, then you might see a small boost |
| 10:40:06 | hcs | preglow: well, I am rendering it anyway, what bit depth should I prefer? |
| 10:40:25 | preglow | hcs: otherwise, dsp will do a complete pass over the data to copy and scale it |
| 10:40:31 | hcs | ew |
| 10:40:49 | preglow | so deinterleaved 32 bit data = best |
| 10:40:56 | hcs | can do |
| 10:41:37 | hcs | any particular buffer size should prefer? everything seems to use 1024 samples |
| 10:43:20 | preglow | buffer size is pretty irrelevant, if you pass the data like that, dsp will just use your buffer anyway |
| 10:44:32 | preglow | using iram for the buffer is pretty clever, btw |
| 10:44:46 | hcs | er, got it from the wav codec |
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| 10:46:56 | safetydan | right, well it works in the sim |
| 10:46:59 | safetydan | next stop, target |
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| 10:51:00 | safetydan | hrm... a bit heavy on the ol' boost, about 45 to 50% |
| 10:51:03 | linuxstb | dan_a: Are you around? |
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| 10:52:04 | safetydan | I see no reason not to commit this speex patch |
| 10:52:17 | safetydan | Anyone have objections? |
| 10:52:32 | * | B4gder likes new codecs |
| 10:52:55 | LinusN | go go go |
| 10:53:16 | preglow | go! |
| 10:53:19 | linuxstb | I'm sure it doesn't, but have you tested it doesn't break vorbis playback? |
| 10:53:31 | safetydan | linuxstb, good point, I'll check that |
| 10:53:44 | linuxstb | I'm assuming there's code that distinguishes between speex and vorbis in .ogg? |
| 10:53:48 | preglow | safetydan: what target did you test on? |
| 10:53:52 | safetydan | preglow, h120 |
| 10:53:58 | preglow | safetydan: it's not optimised for that at all |
| 10:54:02 | preglow | i might see about fixing that |
| 10:54:10 | safetydan | linuxstb, it's based on extension afaik, so it looks for .spx |
| 10:54:14 | preglow | if i remember correctly, speex is quite easily optimisable |
| 10:54:23 | linuxstb | Ah, so it doesn't support speex in .ogg? |
| 10:54:29 | linuxstb | (in terms of filename) |
| 10:54:35 | safetydan | linuxstb, no, not as such |
| 10:54:49 | safetydan | I don't think we really have a good way of dealing with container formats at the moment do we? |
| 10:54:59 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 10:55:23 | linuxstb | The ALAC/AAC codecs can both be in .m4a/.mp4 files. The get_metadata() function decides which codec to use. |
| 10:55:41 | safetydan | ah okay |
| 10:56:12 | safetydan | Well I think it might be better to just commit it as is to avoid the patch rotting away in the tracker |
| 10:56:20 | B4gder | I agree |
| 10:56:29 | B4gder | it can always be improved after first commit |
| 10:56:34 | linuxstb | No problem with me - we can fix the details later. |
| 10:56:41 | safetydan | freqmod is already in the credits isn't he? |
| 10:56:59 | linuxstb | Is it common for speex to be in .ogg anyway? |
| 10:57:31 | safetydan | linuxstb, well the encoder defaults to adding .spx to the files so... |
| 10:59:56 | preglow | linuxstb: i think both are common these days |
| 10:59:58 | preglow | i still see .spx a lot |
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| 11:00:05 | preglow | but .spx is also ogg |
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| 11:01:49 | safetydan | right, yes he is in the credits |
| 11:02:30 | preglow | yes |
| 11:02:48 | preglow | it should probably be synced right away too |
| 11:03:02 | preglow | speex seems to be pretty well maintained, as opposed to the majority of our other codecs |
| 11:04:55 | directhex|work | varying extensions on container formats fills me with rage |
| 11:06:39 | safetydan | commit away |
| 11:06:47 | LinusN | the rockbox FAT driver fills me with rage |
| 11:06:53 | safetydan | now let's see if I've missed something |
| 11:07:13 | directhex|work | LinusN, ntfs-3g is almost stable. port it and switch rockbox to ntfs! |
| 11:07:39 | LinusN | the mac/linux users will love us! |
| 11:08:06 | Mikachu | love filled with rage |
| 11:08:27 | B4gder | and I bet there are some windows users with ntfs too |
| 11:08:27 | directhex|work | meh, mac users get what they deserve ;) |
| 11:08:41 | B4gder | without |
| 11:09:08 | B4gder | like windows 98 or so |
| 11:09:31 | directhex|work | actually, can you format removable drives over 32gb with fat32 on xp? i know you can't on fixed drives from within the installer (artificial limit, of course) |
| 11:09:49 | B4gder | directhex|work: not with windows own format command, no |
| 11:10:00 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:10:06 | Mikachu | i bet that fills some people with rage too |
| 11:10:21 | B4gder | it really should |
| 11:10:24 | directhex|work | the fact that it's not lunchtime fills me with rage |
| 11:10:50 | Mikachu | if you're full, why are you complaining? |
| 11:11:32 | directhex|work | i'm not fussed about the food, i'm just bored of work |
| 11:11:53 | B4gder | linuxstb: didn't you upgrade your arm gcc? |
| 11:12:04 | B4gder | http://build.rockbox.org/showlog.cgi?date=20070209T094536Z&type=Toshiba%20Gigabeat%20F%20-%20Normal#prob1 |
| 11:12:21 | Mikachu | Using arm-elf-gcc 4.0.2 (400) |
| 11:12:40 | B4gder | acbuild.pl needing attention perhaps to get the right path? |
| 11:13:15 | linuxstb | B4gder: The path is different - is it hard-coded in the script? $PATH should be correct. |
| 11:13:31 | B4gder | yes, the script sets the path at the top |
| 11:13:38 | linuxstb | So I should edit it? |
| 11:13:42 | * | amiconn wonders what problems LinusN ran into |
| 11:13:44 | B4gder | yes |
| 11:13:59 | LinusN | amiconn: it's the FAT cache |
| 11:14:28 | safetydan | well... that was a colourful result |
| 11:14:28 | B4gder | 3700 points is fairly good! ;-) |
| 11:14:58 | Mikachu | at least the bootloaders still built ;) |
| 11:15:07 | LinusN | i would have liked the fat cache to be based on logical fat sectors, but the current fat driver is adapted to use physical sectors (the secmult stuff) |
| 11:15:13 | amiconn | LinusN: Cachinh in the ata driver would have been a quicker solution... |
| 11:15:36 | safetydan | that's weird. The H120 sim builds fine here |
| 11:15:40 | linuxstb | B4gder: That path doesn't include my SH compiler - am I being asked to build SH targets? |
| 11:15:49 | Mikachu | safetydan: probably because you have -lspeex? |
| 11:15:51 | B4gder | I'll check |
| 11:16:06 | safetydan | oh bugger |
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| 11:16:09 | safetydan | missed a file |
| 11:16:12 | LinusN | amiconn: yes, perhaps quicker, but quite suboptimal |
| 11:16:24 | B4gder | linuxstb: nope, but I'll add you now! ;-) |
| 11:16:34 | B4gder | linuxstb: do you have sdl too? |
| 11:16:52 | linuxstb | Yes. Well, I can build the sim... |
| 11:16:57 | B4gder | goodie |
| 11:17:14 | B4gder | sdl:sh:m68k:arm for you |
| 11:17:32 | linuxstb | Is "sh-elf-gcc (GCC) 4.0.3 (rockbox patch #1)" correct? |
| 11:17:37 | B4gder | yes |
| 11:18:36 | petur | safetydan: don't forget to close the FS# ;) |
| 11:18:51 | safetydan | petur, will do once it actually builds for everyone :) |
| 11:20:03 | LinusN | the current way of supporting 2048-byte logical sectors makes it more complicated to support large physical sectors |
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| 11:21:53 | linuxstb | libspeex seems almost as bit as libflac... |
| 11:22:22 | preglow | big? |
| 11:22:24 | preglow | it does more, at least |
| 11:22:30 | linuxstb | Ah yes, big. :) |
| 11:22:30 | * | preglow just watched the irc logs on a wii |
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| 11:22:35 | preglow | rockbox ports! |
| 11:22:39 | preglow | -s |
| 11:23:22 | safetydan | A synch with a newer version of speex would be good. Apparently they can fit an encoder/decoder in 6 KiB of RAM. |
| 11:23:44 | preglow | yes, a sync is always good |
| 11:23:48 | preglow | don't know how easy it'll be, though |
| 11:23:58 | safetydan | had a quick go and got lots of errors |
| 11:24:00 | preglow | also i don't know which speex svn we have just checked in |
| 11:24:13 | preglow | bet freqmod can answer that |
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| 11:26:34 | LinusN | amiconn: do you remember the reason why we added 2048-byte support in the current way? to avoid increasing code size on archos? |
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| 12:07:52 | amiconn | LinusN: The current way needs significantly less code than using large buffers, hence it's enabled for all targets, supporting large virtual fat sectors on 512 byte physical sectors |
| 12:09:38 | amiconn | And there were reports that the large-buffer implementation wasn't very stable |
| 12:12:21 | amiconn | LinusN: If you want the fat code to use logical fat sectors, the buffers need to be huge |
| 12:13:09 | amiconn | I'd rather keep it using physical sectors, and make the physical sector size configurable on the G5 |
| 12:13:21 | amiconn | (configure to what is reported by the ata driver) |
| 12:14:40 | amiconn | Hmm, if you want logical sectors, you could limit the supported maximum, but then it will become less flexible |
| 12:15:05 | amiconn | Current code even supports e.g. 8KB logical sectors |
| 12:16:15 | markun | looks like USB mode is broken on my gigabeat after I updated it. It keeps disconnecting and reconnecting. |
| 12:18:13 | amiconn | LinusN: Btw, isn't Zagor the fat code expert? Maybe he has an idea... |
| 12:18:34 | * | Mikachu giggles a bit at that last sentence |
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| 12:19:34 | preglow | hahahaha |
| 12:19:39 | preglow | hilarous |
| 12:19:44 | preglow | hilarious too |
| 12:20:38 | preglow | i was *that* far from putting that in the topic |
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| 12:23:33 | linuxstb | Here's what I'm hoping to release as the next version of ipodpatcher. Testers welcome... http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-0.8.zip |
| 12:23:49 | linuxstb | Just run it without any parameters, and it will ask you if you want to install the bootloader... |
| 12:24:37 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hmm, btw, what happens if I first -wf a bootloader, and then -a the bootloader again? |
| 12:24:52 | amiconn | Will I end up with 2 bootoloaders where one can start the other? |
| 12:25:16 | linuxstb | You'll end up with 2 bootloaders, but the 2nd one won't recognise the first one as being an Apple firmware, so won't execute it. |
| 12:25:31 | amiconn | ah |
| 12:25:53 | linuxstb | The bootloader checks for the "portalplayer" string that's present in all Apple firmwares. |
| 12:26:08 | amiconn | -wf should work with rockbox.ipod as well iirc? |
| 12:26:15 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 12:26:44 | amiconn | Hmm, what about a plugin that can -wf rockbox.ipod? |
| 12:26:55 | amiconn | Would that be possible with the ipodpatcher code? |
| 12:27:10 | linuxstb | Yes, shouldn't be a problem. |
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| 12:27:30 | amiconn | The ipod kind of "flashing" rockbox... |
| 12:27:32 | linuxstb | Could be a nice way to turn ipodpatcher into a library - making integration with rbutil simpler. |
| 12:27:48 | linuxstb | Although include "tools" code in apps/ would be badness :) |
| 12:28:07 | B4gder | builder.fnarfbargle.com seems to be in bad shape |
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| 12:30:24 | amiconn | B4gder: Hmm, perhaps it's only the sims because of rather old native gcc (3.3.5)? |
| 12:30:39 | B4gder | it looks like that, yes |
| 12:31:25 | B4gder | I'll disable sims on that one for now |
| 12:31:37 | amiconn | The errors are in speex, probably the speex code doesn't like old gcc |
| 12:32:31 | amiconn | safetydan: There's still a warning, related to printf. Why does a codec need printf, btw? |
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| 12:35:49 | preglow | debugging? |
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| 12:36:17 | preglow | it's probably just code from speex svn accidentally being left there |
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| 12:40:44 | amiconn | hcs: Regarding your nsf commit - if no icode is used and the function is inlined, using 'static inline' would be even better |
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| 12:41:31 | amiconn | If you don't declare it 'static', the compiler still includes a non-inlined version of the function |
| 12:41:45 | amiconn | ...increasing code size for no reason |
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| 12:47:36 | safetydan | amiconn, I believe that's only in the sim |
| 12:47:51 | safetydan | I'll look at it tomorrow. Sleep now |
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| 13:02:37 | austriancoder | hi all.. i am looking for codestyle guides... i have looked in the wiki, but with no success |
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| 13:02:51 | desowin | look in docs |
| 13:03:07 | desowin | in svn |
| 13:03:08 | GodEater | anyone with experience on handling playlist code care to offer an opinion on how easy it would be to implement FS #4804 ? |
| 13:03:55 | B4gder | GodEater: I believe there is a patch that provides such a feature |
| 13:04:34 | GodEater | that'll teach to me search feature requests before patches |
| 13:04:34 | austriancoder | desowin: merci |
| 13:04:43 | B4gder | FS #1982 |
| 13:04:55 | B4gder | just over three years old... |
| 13:05:35 | Mikachu | bug #8 is the oldest open bug i think |
| 13:06:09 | w1ll14m_ | lol |
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| 13:06:30 | GodEater | damn that's old |
| 13:06:41 | GodEater | wonder if it still applies cleanly |
| 13:06:50 | B4gder | I doubt that |
| 13:07:08 | B4gder | I think a lot of hardeep's work has been added after that |
| 13:07:24 | GodEater | I'm not sure it does quite what I wanted anyway from reading the comments |
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| 13:16:26 | GodEater | hmm, I think I've answered my own question really. Given that what I want is to be able to create a list of playlists, and shuffle the contents of THAT, rather than the playlists themselves - I'm not sure that patch would work even if it did apply to the current code. |
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| 13:26:09 | Genre9mp3 | no Gigabeat to play before joining the army... :( |
| 13:26:53 | markun | Genre9mp3: but it will be waiting for you when you are on leave |
| 13:28:27 | Genre9mp3 | markun: yes, but now I'll have to find even more patience about the whole army thing ;) |
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| 13:33:55 | * | petur enjoys a weekly bofh |
| 13:34:16 | * | scorche realizes it is friday again and join petur |
| 13:34:48 | petur | how to simulate vista: "Nah, I just turned on all the flashy crap in XP, changed the background image, took some memory out of my box and clocked down the CPU. Then broke Media player. Works like a charm." |
| 13:35:25 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 13:35:33 | XavierGr | Genre9mp3: pitty |
| 13:35:37 | w1ll14m | i think you are quite right petur |
| 13:35:44 | w1ll14m | :) |
| 13:35:52 | XavierGr | Genre9mp3: So in the end I might use a gigabeat sooner that you :P |
| 13:35:55 | * | w1ll14m spits on windows vista |
| 13:36:30 | w1ll14m | shits* |
| 13:37:06 | scorche | petur: how dare you spoil one of the jokes for me...tsk tsk |
| 13:38:49 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: You'll do this safe at home while I'm protecting you from the enemies? tsk tsk tsk... |
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| 13:40:00 | B4gder | nono, he will hang out here _with_ the enemy ;-) |
| 13:40:32 | XavierGr | B4gder: indeed |
| 13:40:46 | w1ll14m | hehehe |
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| 13:41:13 | XavierGr | Genre9mp3: Maybe I will come outside of the military camp to tease you a little more :P |
| 13:42:41 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: Are you going to have a Gigabeat with you? If yes note that I'll have a gun with me! :P |
| 13:43:38 | XavierGr | ehmm, now that you mention it.... *hides* |
| 13:43:47 | * | w1ll14m still hates antibiotics |
| 13:43:54 | Genre9mp3 | hehe |
| 13:44:41 | w1ll14m | lol ... i roughter have a rockbox in my hand then a gun |
| 13:44:46 | w1ll14m | ;) |
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| 14:45:58 | * | linuxstb points to the new ipodpatcher again and looks for testers - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-0.8.zip |
| 14:46:10 | linuxstb | New install instructions here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/newinstall.txt |
| 14:53:39 | preglow | haven't got my ipod with me |
| 14:54:14 | GodEater | I can try it - but it's still only on a 80GB |
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| 14:56:51 | GodEater | erm |
| 14:56:58 | GodEater | doesn't appear to work in windows |
| 14:57:14 | GodEater | unless you've got it so it doesn't install to then 80GB ? |
| 14:57:16 | GodEater | s/then/the |
| 14:57:54 | GodEater | ah - this isn't the one with the embedded loaders I don't think |
| 14:58:03 | GodEater | unless you've got some bad ass compression on them |
| 14:59:04 | * | GodEater wonders how to force ISA to refresh it's cached copy assuming that's what's happened |
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| 15:02:06 | linuxstb | GodEater: Oops, I left two ipodpatcher.exe files in the zip file - use the one in the win32 directory. |
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| 15:02:57 | linuxstb | GodEater: Did you see my message before you quit? |
| 15:03:27 | * | linuxstb has uploaded a corrected zip file |
| 15:03:36 | GodEater | yeah - saw it in the log |
| 15:03:39 | GodEater | works fine |
| 15:03:41 | GodEater | :) |
| 15:04:07 | GodEater | ipodpatcher -d seems to work with no complaints too (i.e. with no device number) |
| 15:04:18 | linuxstb | Yes, the device is now optional. |
| 15:04:31 | GodEater | yeah that's perfect. |
| 15:04:38 | GodEater | apple os is booting again fine now too |
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| 15:05:30 | GodEater | I did the install with a full on double-click too |
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| 15:05:36 | GodEater | (from windows) |
| 15:06:39 | GodEater | so as far as I'm concerned it passes the (essentially pointless) install on the 80GB |
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| 15:09:48 | linuxstb | Hopefully it won't be pointless for too much longer. |
| 15:09:54 | GodEater | with any luck :) |
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| 15:10:29 | directhex|work | hm? there's been progress on the evil encrypted ipods? |
| 15:10:46 | linuxstb | No-one has mentioned any progress here. |
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| 15:18:11 | directhex|work | i thought the 'essentially pointless' install 'won't be pointless for too much longer' |
| 15:18:16 | directhex|work | unless i'm confused |
| 15:18:54 | GodEater | the 80GB isn't an encrypted model |
| 15:19:09 | GodEater | it just has a different hard drive to other ipods |
| 15:19:38 | Llorean | linuxstb: What's new with the newest ipodpatcher? Anything I should test? |
| 15:19:50 | GodEater | Llorean: double click goodness in windows!!! |
| 15:20:09 | GodEater | no more "wut is a cumman rpomt "? |
| 15:20:22 | Llorean | GodEater: It had the default behaviour for no parameters last time I did testing on it. :-P |
| 15:20:34 | GodEater | oh ok sorry :( |
| 15:20:46 | directhex|work | kids these days. when i were a lad, just playing a game meant knowing the subtleties of EMM386.EXE |
| 15:20:49 | GodEater | I'll read the logs better next time |
| 15:21:01 | GodEater | don't forget HIMEM.SYS |
| 15:21:10 | directhex|work | LOADHIGH! |
| 15:21:33 | linuxstb | Llorean: It should be the same as the last version you tested. |
| 15:21:44 | Llorean | linuxstb: Alright. Just checking. |
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| 15:22:01 | GodEater | which versions has it been tested on so far then ? |
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| 15:22:12 | markun | directhex|work: those were the days.. |
| 15:22:25 | GodEater | frankly those days sucked and you all know it |
| 15:22:37 | GodEater | 386MAX and QEMM386 both blew chunks |
| 15:22:46 | Llorean | GodEater: I tested it on a Nano, and I believe it's been tested slightly on a 3G. |
| 15:23:02 | GodEater | so we're still waiting for 4G Gray scale |
| 15:23:07 | GodEater | and both Minis ? |
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| 15:23:20 | GodEater | since I assume linuxstb did his own iPod color testing |
| 15:23:27 | linuxstb | He did. |
| 15:23:50 | GodEater | building a mental list of who owns what here |
| 15:24:01 | GodEater | so I know where to go to steal things ;) (thanks Rasher) |
| 15:24:08 | Llorean | We have speex?! |
| 15:24:14 | linuxstb | I think it's ready for release now - I wouldn't have expected the changes to have introduced any target-specific problems. |
| 15:24:16 | * | Llorean just finally got to the changelog. |
| 15:24:36 | DataGhost | yay. I got fat32 reads working again, this time without "ide0: unexpected interrupt, status=0x58, count=1" |
| 15:24:47 | DataGhost | but with "FAT: Did not find valid FSINFO signature." :P |
| 15:24:55 | Llorean | linuxstb: Does this one fix grayscale targets not booting apple_os, or is that a fix yet to come? |
| 15:25:00 | DataGhost | it looks non-fatal, though :) |
| 15:25:06 | GodEater | ok now can you just fix the rockbox FAT driver please ? :) |
| 15:25:11 | DataGhost | hehe |
| 15:25:22 | GodEater | Llorean: still to come |
| 15:25:22 | DataGhost | hm |
| 15:25:26 | DataGhost | available: 0kB |
| 15:25:26 | DataGhost | :/ |
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| 15:25:27 | GodEater | as I understand it |
| 15:25:56 | Llorean | GodEater: I remembered seeing someone mention Apple_OS booting on their 3G using this, but I didn't know if the 3G actually fell into that category or not. |
| 15:26:01 | GodEater | from my brief chat this morning about it the problem is suspected in the bootloaders ? |
| 15:26:07 | GodEater | not ipodpatcher per se |
| 15:26:12 | Llorean | Or if I misunderstood what was said, 'cuz I caught the tail end of the conversation. |
| 15:26:24 | GodEater | I didn't catch that at all |
| 15:26:30 | GodEater | so you're ahead of me there |
| 15:26:33 | Llorean | I thought the new ipodpatcher with the old bootloader also didn't work. |
| 15:26:48 | GodEater | anyone with a Mac care to take a look at our latest dyslexic in the apple install forums ? |
| 15:26:57 | linuxstb | Yes, that's the thing that's troubling me. But there is definitely a bug in the bootloader as well, which dan_a is investigating. |
| 15:27:19 | directhex|work | Llorean, there was speex discussion this morning. i don't think there's correct handling of ogg as a container format though (i.e. speex files must be .spx), and i don't know if it actually works |
| 15:27:40 | linuxstb | GodEater: You mean the USB issue? See my post. |
| 15:27:43 | GodEater | oh you already did reply linuxstb - I'm behind the game agani! |
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| 15:28:08 | Llorean | linuxstb: I'm surprised it completely breaks the mac's USB until restart though. |
| 15:28:37 | linuxstb | So am I, but we are now actually making the USB chip do things... |
| 15:28:50 | Llorean | This is true. |
| 15:29:03 | GodEater | we're clearly making it do bad JuJu |
| 15:29:16 | linuxstb | barrywardell suggested some "stop" code that should be added to the current code, so I can test that. |
| 15:31:49 | Llorean | I'm just kinda surprised that USB isn't a bit more robust. |
| 15:32:04 | Llorean | It seems like that kinda thing would allow you to crash it just by plugging and unplugging something too quickly. |
| 15:33:38 | Mikachu | wow, theme files for my k310i are .tar files :) you're not alone |
| 15:34:54 | linuxstb | Ah, an old message from barrywardell: rockbox-20070204.txt:23.02.37 # <barrywardell> Also, I think I rememer setting the USB controller to run without doing anything else caused the USB stack on my mac to crash |
| 15:37:39 | Llorean | There you go. |
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| 15:38:11 | GodEater | that's a piss poor USB implementation in the Mac then |
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| 15:40:27 | markun | Llorean: can you check if USB works with the latest gigabeat build? |
| 15:40:28 | markun | for me it doesn't |
| 15:40:36 | markun | keeps disconnecting |
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| 15:41:07 | GodEater_ | bloody netsplits |
| 15:41:18 | GodEater_ | Llorean: did you see my message re: voice ? |
| 15:41:21 | Genre9mp3 | test |
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| 15:42:00 | Llorean | markun: What do I need to get it to disconnect? |
| 15:42:00 | | Nick GodEater_ is now known as GodEater (i=c2cbc95c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-ac691b40eb351d72) |
| 15:42:06 | Llorean | GodEater: No, I did not. |
| 15:42:16 | GodEater | just wondered if you'd got round to testing it on the gigabeat |
| 15:42:25 | GodEater | I think I've found a bug, and wondered if you could confirm |
| 15:42:45 | markun | Llorean: just plug in the USB cable |
| 15:43:15 | Llorean | markun: I'm using r12238, which is only missing the new speex code, and the one small change to NSF, both codecs, and it works fine |
| 15:43:15 | markun | I can't transfer files anymore, only in the bootloader rescue mode |
| 15:43:25 | markun | weird |
| 15:43:57 | markun | it worked fine until I updated this morning |
| 15:44:00 | directhex|work | speex support could be a real killer feature for the missus |
| 15:44:05 | GodEater | anything I can test too ? |
| 15:44:27 | markun | Llorean: maybe a problem with my compiler, I don't know. |
| 15:45:15 | Llorean | markun: Well you are a few revisions newer than mine, but none of them *should* affect it. |
| 15:45:32 | Llorean | GodEater: No, I haven't tested voice on the gigabeat at all yet |
| 15:46:20 | markun | Llorean: I know, nothing strange I see in the logs |
| 15:46:50 | GodEater | markun: assuming I've got the details of the problem right, latest build works here too |
| 15:47:19 | markun | I tried with a settings reset, but that didn't help |
| 15:47:37 | markun | in bootloader USB mode it works fine, so I don't think it's a hardware problem |
| 15:47:41 | markun | and I rebooted the PC |
| 15:48:02 | GodEater | has anyone else got a gigabeat that wouldn't mind testing voice quickly ? |
| 15:48:09 | GodEater | before I report a bug |
| 15:48:55 | markun | Llorean: ok, now I can't reproduce it anymore.. |
| 15:49:00 | GodEater | hahaha |
| 15:49:00 | markun | no clue what's going on here |
| 15:49:04 | GodEater | hate those bugs! |
| 15:49:52 | Llorean | GodEater: What problem are you having with voice, roughly? |
| 15:50:14 | GodEater | there isn't any when you pause playback |
| 15:50:15 | markun | yes, I'm happy and unhappy at the same time.. |
| 15:50:49 | GodEater | i.e., I pause what I'm playing, call up the file browser, and then when I should expect voice feedback from the directories - there's no speech |
| 15:51:00 | GodEater | the disk spins up each time, so I think it's reading the _dirname.talk files |
| 15:51:05 | GodEater | but there's no audio to go with it |
| 15:51:25 | * | GodEater is about to test it on H140 too to see if it's not isolated to the gigabeat |
| 15:52:19 | markun | Llorean: ok, it disconnected again during a transer. Maybe just something wrong with the computer or my gigabeat hardware (I hope not) |
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| 15:54:49 | Llorean | GodEater: That's a known issue across all targets I believe |
| 15:55:02 | GodEater | even the archoses ? |
| 15:55:07 | Llorean | Well, all SWCODEC |
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| 15:55:11 | GodEater | ah |
| 15:55:54 | GodEater | perhaps we should have mentioned that in the thread the other day |
| 15:56:13 | Llorean | I didn't remember it until you mentioned it |
| 15:56:14 | Llorean | But I've seen it discussed before |
| 15:57:24 | GodEater | I'll drop a note to that effect on the bottom of the thread then and hope he reads it |
| 15:58:16 | pixelma | in this case (paused playback) file names aren't voiced on Archos either and I thought it is impossible then but I don't know |
| 15:59:32 | GodEater | just files? Or directories too (I don't have filenames voiced) |
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| 16:00:04 | DataGhost | http://pastebin.ca/347289 there we go.. as soon as I fix the partitiontable parsing to be less 'static', it should work on any iPod :D |
| 16:00:35 | pixelma | I usually let both filenames and directories spell |
| 16:00:48 | GodEater | hmm - seems to affect the actual menu too |
| 16:00:55 | GodEater | (which I usually have turned off) |
| 16:01:50 | pixelma | Archos cannot do both audio playback and voice since there is only one MAS |
| 16:01:58 | Llorean | On SWCODEC, my understanding is that when music is 'playing' voice is mixed into the playback buffer. Since music is paused, the buffer doesn't get consumed. |
| 16:02:09 | GodEater | that makes perfect sense |
| 16:02:22 | GodEater | I would have thought the opposite were true on an archos though |
| 16:02:41 | GodEater | since you can do mixing of two sound sources |
| 16:02:52 | Llorean | Can't. |
| 16:02:53 | GodEater | s/can/can't |
| 16:03:01 | Llorean | But voice on Archos interrupts playback, rather than mixing. |
| 16:03:24 | GodEater | but still doesn't voice when playback is paused ? |
| 16:03:38 | Llorean | I didn't know about that. |
| 16:04:03 | GodEater | if I'm understanding pixelma correctly |
| 16:04:16 | pixelma | I guess it has something to do what actually happens on pause *shrug* |
| 16:04:32 | GodEater | if that's known behaviour anyway then I guess it won't throw off that guys customers anyway |
| 16:04:34 | GodEater | since it's what they're used to |
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| 16:06:25 | pixelma | GodEater: yes you understood correctly, I just tried to confirm |
| 16:06:49 | GodEater | DataGhost: Nice - I especially like the "DG: Fat!! W00t!!!" debug message ;) |
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| 16:07:18 | * | jhMikeS never discovered that voice is off during pause but makes perfect sense given how it's done. |
| 16:07:44 | pixelma | GodEater: they will have more things voiced than on the Archoses |
| 16:07:46 | GodEater | well in that case I don't have a guilty conscience any more |
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| 16:13:01 | DataGhost | hehe GodEater |
| 16:13:15 | DataGhost | I just put in what I would say when it showed me that line :P |
| 16:13:26 | GodEater | heh |
| 16:13:48 | DataGhost | anyway... |
| 16:13:49 | GodEater | did your loader2 patch make it into svn yet ? |
| 16:13:51 | * | DataGhost -> carwash |
| 16:13:57 | DataGhost | yes it is in :) |
| 16:14:01 | GodEater | sweet :) |
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| 16:15:50 | jhMikeS | Llorean: sounds like you got frustrated last night with the script stuff but it was only disk space in my case. you need a good 500MB or more free on debian to run it. |
| 16:16:22 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Nah, I just had to leave suddenly. I'm sorry about vanishing like that. |
| 16:16:46 | Llorean | What's frustrating me right now is trying to set up foobar2000 to transcode to speex for me. :) |
| 16:27:05 | dewdude | why not use dbpoweramp to transcode? |
| 16:27:25 | Llorean | A) I've found dBPowerAmp to be less reliable than I'd like, and B) There doesn't seem to be a speex codec for the newest version. |
| 16:27:55 | dewdude | Llorean, yes, i take my comment back. |
| 16:28:02 | dewdude | they got rid of speex for the new builds |
| 16:28:07 | Llorean | I was going to try it as a one-shot to quickly transcode something to try out the speech codec, while I tinkered with getting Foobar set up right, but apparently they got rid of speex. |
| 16:28:19 | dewdude | i've never had a stability issue. |
| 16:28:37 | Llorean | Not stability. But, for example, their flacs are without seek tables (or were last time I used it) |
| 16:28:45 | dewdude | hrmm |
| 16:29:08 | Llorean | And I don't really need an additional program just for transcoding when Foobar2000 should work fine. |
| 16:29:08 | Mikachu | you can add seek tables with metaflac |
| 16:29:17 | Llorean | Mikachu: Yup, I did that to my existing ones. |
| 16:29:19 | dewdude | i've got flac's i ripped with poweramp that seek just fine. |
| 16:29:43 | Llorean | dewdude: Whether or not they seek is different from whether or not they have seek tables. |
| 16:29:46 | directhex|work | "ogg123 -d raw -f - $INFILE | speexenc - $OUTFILE" ? |
| 16:30:03 | Mikachu | i think -d wav has a higher likelyhood of working |
| 16:30:08 | dewdude | hrmm |
| 16:30:19 | dewdude | maybe... |
| 16:30:47 | dewdude | it's always worked just fine for me...foobar2000 gave me nothing but config problems last time i tried it...great program that got way too over compilcated and complex |
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| 16:51:24 | * | linuxstb reads the speex changes and sees that it does support speex files with the .ogg extension |
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| 16:52:00 | Genre9mp3 | do we support flac with .ogg extension as well? |
| 16:52:22 | markun | and mp3 with wav extension? :) |
| 16:52:31 | Genre9mp3 | :P |
| 16:52:52 | linuxstb | No and No... |
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| 16:57:27 | Llorean | So, the speex patch wreaks havok on the sims on certain compilers? |
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| 17:00:26 | * | Genre9mp3 wonders if we'll ever have all green again |
| 17:00:32 | directhex|work | markun, bet you think '.divx' is a good file extension too, right? :p |
| 17:00:33 | Llorean | Speex very definitely is not working for me. |
| 17:01:05 | Llorean | I assume it's just a case of not liking files over 32khz though |
| 17:01:24 | dewdude | the codec itself or decoder? |
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| 17:01:46 | dewdude | i know speex is a voice codec, i figured it'd have a low bitrate limit |
| 17:01:50 | dewdude | err, sampling rate |
| 17:02:22 | Llorean | The codec has 8, 16, and 32 it seems |
| 17:02:51 | Llorean | The encoder slightly complained about being provided a 44.1 source file, but it plays back fine in windows foobar, so I dunno |
| 17:03:13 | jhMikeS | hmmm...haven't looked deep yet but I take it this libspeex in svn supports encoding? |
| 17:03:24 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I'm talking about the CLI |
| 17:03:42 | Llorean | dewdude: All the encoder said was that it's not optimized for above 32khz. So 44.1 seems to be considered valid |
| 17:03:43 | dewdude | Llorean, if you want....after i'm done mastering i'll grab latest SVN and play around with the format |
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| 17:04:17 | Llorean | dewdude: Well, I definitely think Rockbox should either reject the file, or play it properly, not play it in slow motion with horrible additional noises. :) |
| 17:04:30 | markun | directhex|work: no, my files mostly have .mkv extensions :) |
| 17:05:05 | dewdude | Llorean, yeah, there's a couple of AMR codecs that do the same thing |
| 17:05:10 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I was wondering about the addition of a speex_enc.codec with the new lib |
| 17:05:37 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Ah, dunno |
| 17:06:02 | Llorean | dewdude: It plays fine in Foobar windows, and reports the file has a 44.1khz sample rate, but I don't know if that's foobar ignoring what is considered a bad file, or if it's a case of that being valid. |
| 17:06:08 | jhMikeS | time to dig around I guess :) |
| 17:06:16 | Llorean | I should probably resamble to 32khz or less anyway, audiobooks hardly need 44.1 |
| 17:06:31 | dewdude | no, audio books don't really need more than 11.025 |
| 17:06:38 | dewdude | although it doesn't support that |
| 17:06:54 | Llorean | Yeah, but if the original format's already lossy, going too low can give you a sorta tinny sound |
| 17:07:05 | dewdude | they're going in multiples of 8, which is strange since 16 and 32khz aren't even technically valid rates |
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| 17:07:14 | dewdude | at least not in the world of windows...or it used to be |
| 17:07:27 | dewdude | i know back a few years ago if you played something outside the 4 standards, windows would complain |
| 17:07:34 | markun | ffmpeg has a AMR decoder I think. Is it useful to have one in rockbox? |
| 17:07:44 | Llorean | Hm, the 32khz file doesn't work either. |
| 17:07:44 | * | linuxstb wonders why speex-in-ogg needs a different metadata parser to vorbis-in-ogg... |
| 17:08:44 | dewdude | no |
| 17:08:51 | dewdude | AMR is mostly used for GSM network communications |
| 17:08:55 | dewdude | and ringtones |
| 17:09:03 | Mikachu | my phone does audio recording in amr too |
| 17:09:08 | dewdude | yeah |
| 17:09:12 | dewdude | it's horrible quality for music |
| 17:09:38 | dewdude | it's also a voice optimized codec |
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| 17:10:30 | directhex|work | linuxstb, it does? that's silly |
| 17:11:40 | Llorean | Well, it's not a sample rate issue, at least. |
| 17:11:48 | Llorean | Just tried 8, 16, and 32, none work right. |
| 17:12:04 | Mikachu | does it sort of play the same bit over and over? |
| 17:12:51 | Llorean | No, it plays in slow motion, with a sorta consistent noise alongside it. |
| 17:12:58 | Llorean | Which is why I thought it was a sample rate issue. |
| 17:13:15 | Mikachu | maybe it's a stereo/mono issue |
| 17:13:22 | directhex|work | sounds like early days for speex.codec |
| 17:13:24 | Llorean | That could be the case. |
| 17:13:46 | dewdude | sampling issue! |
| 17:13:59 | dewdude | if it's playing slow motion, it's trying to play the file at a lower sampling rate than it actually is |
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| 17:14:23 | Llorean | dewdude: Well, Rockbox is reporting the file at the proper sample rate. |
| 17:14:32 | dewdude | yeah, but is the codec feeding that to the dac? |
| 17:14:39 | Llorean | Dunno. |
| 17:14:48 | dewdude | me either, i'm not a coder, i'm just an audio engineer. |
| 17:14:52 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 17:15:00 | dewdude | but the slow motion diffently sounds like sampling rate conversion issue |
| 17:15:10 | Llorean | That's what I thought too, but the noise is a bit strange. |
| 17:15:37 | Llorean | downmixing to mono fixed it |
| 17:15:37 | dewdude | well, soon as i'm done with this tape...i'll compile latest svn and give a listen |
| 17:15:46 | dewdude | yeah, conversion issue. |
| 17:16:10 | dewdude | that's strange tho, i've never gotten noise with a stereo/mono snafu.. |
| 17:16:10 | Llorean | So, maybe the codec doesn't expect/handle stereo files? |
| 17:16:21 | dewdude | well, it's a voice codec |
| 17:16:25 | dewdude | it should handle mono |
| 17:16:37 | dewdude | as a matter of fact..the encoder SHOULD downmix to mono during encoding |
| 17:16:45 | Mikachu | Llorean: it has a −−stereo option |
| 17:16:51 | jhMikeS | hmmm...wonder if it was updated for the pcmbuf_insert update :\ |
| 17:16:56 | Llorean | Well, the mono file was very slightly smaller than the stereo file (about 10% smaller) |
| 17:17:21 | dewdude | sounds about right for the M/S encoding schemes |
| 17:17:31 | dewdude | unless it's using intensity stereo |
| 17:18:00 | Llorean | I saw mention of intensity stereo related to speex somewhere, but I'm not sure where |
| 17:18:09 | Llorean | I'm basically running the speex command line encoder without parameters anyway |
| 17:18:14 | Llorean | So it's all defaults right now |
| 17:18:31 | Mikachu | does it decode correctly on your computer? |
| 17:18:45 | dewdude | well, i'll test a codec if need be...i'm pretty good at hacking audio files around |
| 17:18:45 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 17:18:53 | Llorean | It plays fine within foobar2000 |
| 17:20:03 | pixelma | Llorean: you are still too used to write "CVS" (I guess too many posts with it before) ;) |
| 17:20:35 | Llorean | pixelma: Where'd I do it this time? :) |
| 17:20:47 | pixelma | in the REP thread |
| 17:21:32 | Llorean | Alright, thanks |
| 17:21:35 | markun | Llorean: does it sound better than ogg with the same bit and samplerate? |
| 17:21:52 | Llorean | markun: For audiobooks, definitely. |
| 17:21:59 | dewdude | better is a relative term in audio |
| 17:22:15 | dewdude | it's a voice codec, so, it'll be optimized for the rather simple waveform of voice |
| 17:22:37 | Llorean | Well yeah, you wouldn't want to use it for music or anything |
| 17:22:42 | dewdude | oh, no |
| 17:22:49 | dewdude | it outperforms ogg in the voice arena |
| 17:23:16 | markun | Llorean, dewdude: I was asking because of this: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=45209 |
| 17:23:25 | dewdude | i'm sure they'll integrate it and put a −−voice option in ogg |
| 17:23:59 | Llorean | I have a 22kbps file that sounds just fine for voice. |
| 17:24:06 | Llorean | Ogg sounds pretty bad that low. |
| 17:24:11 | Mikachu | they don't seem to know what they're doing |
| 17:24:16 | dewdude | no |
| 17:24:17 | markun | perhaps |
| 17:24:19 | Mikachu | (the forum) |
| 17:24:22 | dewdude | i think they're just plopping files in |
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| 17:25:45 | GodEater | what format was your audiobook in when you start Llorean ? |
| 17:26:02 | dewdude | ok..i've gotta get back to these tracks before the client gets angry. |
| 17:26:03 | Llorean | GodEater: ACELP 16khz, actually. |
| 17:26:09 | Llorean | Some I'm transcoding. |
| 17:26:19 | GodEater | :-| |
| 17:26:24 | GodEater | never heard of it |
| 17:26:35 | Llorean | I'm not sure what specific codec, if any, it actually is. |
| 17:26:38 | dewdude | ACELP is an older codec |
| 17:26:45 | * | GodEater wonders where to get decent audiobooks from |
| 17:26:49 | Llorean | It's what Audible uses for its Quality 3 files. |
| 17:26:58 | dewdude | it wasn't a voice codec per say..but it was optimized for lower bitrates |
| 17:27:03 | GodEater | I thought Audible was DRM crippled |
| 17:27:07 | Llorean | It is. |
| 17:27:28 | Llorean | But you can still transcode fairly easily from it to something else |
| 17:27:29 | GodEater | dont' want to download any of those then |
| 17:27:38 | Llorean | And it's a lot cheaper than buying it on CD or cassette. |
| 17:27:51 | dewdude | The ACELP vocoder has a bit rate of 7.2 kbps including forward error correction (FEC) |
| 17:27:53 | GodEater | er, how do you transcode it if it's DRM encumbered ? |
| 17:28:04 | Llorean | GodEater: Directshow filters. |
| 17:28:12 | dewdude | depends how the drm works.. |
| 17:28:19 | Mikachu | drm usually sucks |
| 17:28:27 | Mikachu | and there's always line-out :) |
| 17:28:29 | Llorean | You can play it in pretty much any windows directshow player, which means any of those that can output can transcode. |
| 17:28:32 | markun | I think I remember from my own tests that there wasn't a big difference between speex and vorbis, but maybe I was also just "plopping" the files in.. |
| 17:28:46 | Llorean | Goldwave is the common suggestion though dbPowerAmp used to work, and I imagine several others will too. |
| 17:28:46 | GodEater | I suppose that's the case with audio books, line-out doesn't really slaughter the quality that much :) |
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| 17:28:56 | dewdude | Goldwave is magic. |
| 17:29:06 | Llorean | markun: Well, my case is a special case, I think. |
| 17:29:10 | dewdude | i used to use that to "rip: drm from WMAv1 files |
| 17:29:20 | Llorean | Yeah, I'd never transcode a music file |
| 17:29:25 | Llorean | But for audiobooks, I'm not so concerned. |
| 17:29:30 | dewdude | i have...when i've had specific reasons |
| 17:29:53 | dewdude | generally only for portable support. |
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| 17:30:04 | dewdude | if someone wants something i've got, and they want mp3 only, too bad. |
| 17:30:13 | Llorean | I usually re-rip for that, or nowadays, pull out my external HD with the flacs on it. |
| 17:30:17 | markun | me neither. I once transcoded a 192kbit/s MP3 audiobook to low bitrate vorbis. |
| 17:30:48 | dewdude | Llorean, well..some of my stuff i don't have in a lossless format, nor do i have a CD for. |
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| 17:31:02 | Llorean | dewdude: Ah, well in that case, it's acceptable. :-P |
| 17:31:10 | * | dewdude needs to get back to work |
| 17:31:18 | dewdude | i'm hiding x-chat before i waste more time |
| 17:31:22 | dewdude | later. |
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| 17:32:49 | Llorean | Ah, I was confused momentarily why a WAV file was showing as 256kbps... Heh. |
| 17:33:03 | Llorean | Already forgot downmixing to mono and downsampling affects such things. |
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| 17:36:24 | jhMikeS | yes, stereo isn't sending the right sample count to the pcm buffer. removing the *channels fixes it but it's slooooow as heck at least on coldfire cpu. |
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| 17:39:07 | jhMikeS | I don't mean the audio is slooow, the decoder is slow :) |
| 17:39:38 | Llorean | So, stereo won't work without optimizations, or that is the wrong fix for the problem, or both? |
| 17:40:00 | Mikachu | i think the slooowness is unrelated to the stereoness |
| 17:42:23 | tt-audio | hello, someone is using rockbox on archos with last.fm? |
| 17:43:02 | jhMikeS | true, it just can't decode fast enough to keep the buffer full, but the pcmbuf_insert takes samples which is per channel and so doesn't need to *2 for stereo. |
| 17:44:11 | Llorean | And I was testing on Gigabeat, which I imagine was fast enough to decode fullspeed, but there were the extra samples still? |
| 17:44:53 | jhMikeS | in stereo. I want to check one other thing. It still might be sending twice as much for each channel |
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| 17:48:18 | markun | Just for the logs: The Gigabeat still switches the channels after pausing sometimes. Very difficult to trigger. |
| 17:49:00 | jhMikeS | it seems to be doing that but is just too slow on cf atm to really evaluate it :( |
| 17:49:22 | * | Llorean has to go. |
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| 17:49:34 | Llorean | I'll be back later, at which point if things need prodding at for testing, I can do so. |
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| 17:50:01 | hcs | I just got a "save failed, no partition?" message on my ipod, might this have sinister connotations? |
| 17:50:23 | webguest43 | I have a quick question for anyone who can answer it, I have rockbox on my F40 and i have been trying to intialize the database since yesterday to no avail. Is there maybe something im missing? |
| 17:51:18 | markun | webguest43: let me try it |
| 17:51:23 | directhex|work | webguest43, the database works fine for me. when's your rockbox build from? |
| 17:51:24 | webguest43 | Anyone know why i'd be unable to initialize the database on my f40 |
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| 17:52:07 | markun | webguest43: maybe you didn't reboot after building the tagcache |
| 17:52:45 | directhex|work | markun, database^Wlibrary^Wmetadata repository! |
| 17:53:04 | markun | ah yes, forgot about the new name ;) |
| 17:53:27 | webguest43 | ahh sorry my puter is slow and didn't see first message come up, anywho i have the most recent one for the F40 which i know is fairly old |
| 17:53:49 | webguest43 | i have power cylced several times |
| 17:53:51 | directhex|work | there's a full build for download? |
| 17:54:18 | markun | webguest43: so what did you exactly do to enable the database? |
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| 17:59:30 | markun | and lets force webusers to choose a different nick.. |
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| 18:00:28 | webguest43 | went into general options > file view > database> initialize now |
| 18:02:00 | markun | I just did that too. I has been initializing for the last few minutes.. |
| 18:02:24 | directhex|work | check the progress in info/debug/view database info |
| 18:02:30 | pixelma | did you also change the "show files" settings accordingly? |
| 18:02:43 | markun | webguest43: yes, do what directhex|work says |
| 18:02:56 | directhex|work | see, i'm not a total plonker \o/ |
| 18:03:38 | markun | pixelma: hi, care to add greek and esperanto support to nimbus-19? ;) |
| 18:04:08 | tt-audio | anyone here who still uses an archos device? |
| 18:04:21 | pixelma | markun: I'd rather have a nimbus-10 and or 11 ;) |
| 18:04:21 | webguest43 | Initialized: yes Db Ready: Yes Progress: -1% |
| 18:04:26 | markun | doesn't pixelma use a ondio? |
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| 18:04:44 | markun | webguest43: mine is now at 87% |
| 18:04:45 | webguest43 | what show files settings? |
| 18:04:56 | lostlogic | can 3g ipods charge from USB? |
| 18:05:09 | markun | webguest43: perhaps you should initialise again and wait till it's at 100% |
| 18:05:19 | webguest43 | OMG ok nvm solved it thanks pixelma |
| 18:05:43 | markun | ok :) |
| 18:06:07 | markun | With the root menu people will not have this problem </propaganda> |
| 18:06:09 | dan_a | lostlogic: No, only Firewire |
| 18:06:11 | pixelma | tt-audio: yes I use my Ondio still regularly but only tried lastfm.log once |
| 18:06:14 | lostlogic | dan_a: ty |
| 18:06:48 | tt-audio | pixma: with or without success? was the scrobbler log created? |
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| 18:08:27 | pixelma | tt-audio: it was, but IIRC not always correctly or something like that |
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| 18:16:34 | tt-audio | is here yet another archos user? |
| 18:19:55 | amiconn | yes |
| 18:21:43 | tt-audio | amiconn: Had you ever success to create an scrobbler.log with activate last.fm option? |
| 18:22:00 | amiconn | I never used last.fm |
| 18:23:16 | tt-audio | could you please be so kind an just try if the log-file is created? |
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| 18:27:52 | pixelma | tt-audio: I'm testing a bit right now, just wanted to leave it in peace for a few songs |
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| 18:30:07 | w1ll14m | how is the root menu patch doing ? |
| 18:30:18 | tt-audio | pixelma: thanks! |
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| 18:31:03 | * | amiconn enabled scrobbler logging for the very first time |
| 18:32:02 | tt-audio | I learned that the last.fm feature depends on the "audio_set_track_changed_event" and it seems that this is may not proper working on archos? |
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| 18:42:42 | roolku | safetydan: I assume the commit if the album art stuff in http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/export/id3.h?r1=12240&r2=12241 was unintentional? ;) |
| 18:43:36 | pixelma | hmm... no scrobble-file here either - but I am sure that I've seen it somewhen |
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| 18:45:57 | tt-audio | pixelma: I had it only once :-( and than never again, I was afraid it is releated to MY archos .... I tested different builds ... |
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| 18:50:31 | tt-audio | pixma: as I understood you have another device too? |
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| 18:51:01 | pixelma | no, only an Ondio |
| 18:51:03 | tt-audio | pixelmal: & of corse: thanks for testing |
| 18:51:38 | * | linuxstb_ thinks the author of speex.c was allergic to pressing the space bar |
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| 18:51:52 | Mikachu | maybe jdgordon's evil twin |
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| 18:59:42 | pixelma | Does somebody know if JdGordon's settings changes (and how data gets saved) could have influence on the scrobbling feature (maybe it is broken recently)? |
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| 19:00:06 | m0nk_ | hey guys |
| 19:00:26 | m0nk_ | the fuckin roof in this building is leaking on me:( |
| 19:00:37 | amiconn | linuxstb_: (regarding your earlier comment) It seems speex code doesn't like gcc 3.3.x |
| 19:01:32 | linuxstb_ | I'm wearing my spacebar out at the moment cleaning it up - but only speex.c, not what's inside libspeex. (changing libspeex will make it harder to sync with the official tree). |
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| 19:02:37 | m0nk_ | which part of the code controls the LEDs on teh gigabeat *if you guys know*? |
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| 19:02:54 | m0nk_ | i wanna paly with that code a bit |
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| 19:04:46 | linuxstb_ | m0nk_: Probably somewhere within firmware/target/gigabeat/ |
| 19:04:56 | tt-audio | amiconn: had you success with the .scrobbler.log ? (I know I'm unpatient) |
| 19:05:46 | m0nk_ | prolly |
| 19:05:53 | m0nk_ | :| fuck i gotta go |
| 19:06:00 | m0nk_ | time for algebra...im exstatic |
| 19:06:03 | m0nk_ | peace guys |
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| 19:07:49 | dewdude | d'oh |
| 19:07:59 | dewdude | the vmware image can't build the latest svn |
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| 19:09:19 | Milo_Bloom | any word on a ZVM rockbox firmware? |
| 19:09:46 | Llorea1 | Milo_Bloom: Nobody's working on it, as far as I'm aware. |
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| 19:11:41 | amiconn | tt-audio: .scrobbler.log doesn't get created |
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| 19:15:56 | tt-audio | amiconn: :-( last.fm seems to be buggy on archos devices |
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| 19:21:42 | Pachad | Good morning. |
| 19:22:06 | Pachad | I just purchased a sansa e260 and have been trying to get it to run rockbox |
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| 19:22:29 | Pachad | However, I can't even fulfil the first step - that being finding the original .mi4 |
| 19:22:43 | desowin | are you ready for developing ? |
| 19:22:49 | Pachad | I have booted into the appropriate mode and cannot find it. |
| 19:22:53 | desowin | so far I know, Sansa port can't playback audio yet |
| 19:22:56 | Llorean | Pachad: Are you aware that Rockbox does not play music on the Sansa yet? Right now it's really only suited for developers. |
| 19:23:11 | inteliwasp | is the ".rockbox" file always the same? |
| 19:23:13 | Pachad | But you can dual-boot firmware right? |
| 19:23:24 | desowin | inteliwasp: .rockbox is directory |
| 19:23:49 | inteliwasp | there is a fole too |
| 19:23:53 | inteliwasp | *file |
| 19:23:55 | Llorean | Pachad: Yes, you can, but you may just want to wait if the current install process is too complicated. |
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| 19:24:32 | inteliwasp | oh i sorry, the "rockbox-ipod" file |
| 19:24:56 | Llorean | inteliwasp: rockbox.ipod is the main program, it's updated pretty much every time. |
| 19:24:58 | Pachad | I want to try it out very much - I understand there is a multitude of amazing things one can do with it. |
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| 19:25:36 | Llorean | Pachad: Well, you have to get the original .mi4 file from a firmware update. |
| 19:25:41 | inteliwasp | well for some reason, it wosen't included in the 20070209 build |
| 19:26:01 | Llorean | Pachad: The update software will copy it to your device, and then you move it off the device, instead of rebooting the device with it on it. |
| 19:26:20 | Llorean | inteliwasp: Which build, exactly? |
| 19:26:20 | inteliwasp | on the ipod grey 4G |
| 19:26:40 | Llorean | inteliwasp: No, I mean, do you mean the archived daily build, or one of the SVN builds? |
| 19:26:56 | inteliwasp | oh daily |
| 19:27:09 | Llorean | Why are you still using daily builds? |
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| 19:27:46 | Llorean | Though it's true, the daily is missing the .ipod file |
| 19:27:46 | inteliwasp | um, i'm not shure how to sue the subversion builds |
| 19:28:05 | inteliwasp | i'm still kinda new with linux |
| 19:28:12 | inteliwasp | on my desktop i mean |
| 19:28:21 | Llorean | inteliwasp: Um, you see the "Current Build" link on the website? |
| 19:28:36 | inteliwasp | yess |
| 19:28:38 | inteliwasp | there |
| 19:28:39 | Llorean | You click it, download the build of choice, extract it onto the player. |
| 19:29:29 | Llorean | The daily builds, on the other hand, pretty much only exist as archived builds. |
| 19:29:40 | Llorean | That's why we removed the direct link to them from the front page. |
| 19:30:11 | inteliwasp | the "sim" build is for the developers right? then i shuld get the ipod one right? |
| 19:30:26 | Llorean | There is no downloadable sim build. |
| 19:31:38 | inteliwasp | i would be only looking at the table only... stupid me... |
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| 19:34:38 | Llorean | It looks like the Rockbox dailies for the 4G haven't included the .ipod for a bit at least |
| 19:34:56 | Llorean | The 8th doesn't have it either. The 7th does. |
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| 19:35:18 | Llorean | Bagder: Is the daily build server using GCC 4.0.2 instead of .3? |
| 19:35:35 | amiconn | I believe it was |
| 19:35:46 | inteliwasp | now do i just use the most bleading edge build with the least or no errors? |
| 19:36:05 | Llorean | inteliwasp: The 'current build' is the most recent one. |
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| 19:36:49 | Llorean | amiconn: The 4G gray builds for the last two days at least are missing the .ipod. |
| 19:36:58 | * | Llorean doesn't know what would cause that. |
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| 19:37:32 | Llorean | Rocks, etc, are also missing. It's just a few of the other files. |
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| 19:37:51 | inteliwasp | many thanks to you guys |
| 19:38:33 | * | amiconn pings Bagder |
| 19:39:10 | amiconn | Llorean: I think the build server gcc was fixed yesterday, so today's daily should have been ok :/ |
| 19:39:24 | Llorean | So whatever broke today's daily is something else? |
| 19:40:26 | linuxstb | I'm sure Bagder said yesterday that he'd upgraded. |
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| 19:42:13 | inteliwasp | has there been any talk about a time frame for when the battry life be tweeked? |
| 19:42:56 | Llorean | inteliwasp: The battery life issue is something that needs to be _solved_ not simply tweaked. |
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| 19:44:49 | tt-audio | Can I submit a bug to flyspy to more than one targets (but not all)? |
| 19:45:17 | petur | nope |
| 19:46:16 | * | lowlight sees album art sneaking it's way in svn |
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| 19:46:47 | Llorean | tt-audio: It's best to do it on a target you specifically have tested it on, if it's not an all-target bug |
| 19:46:49 | Llorean | lowlight: Huh? |
| 19:47:08 | lowlight | last commit for id3.h |
| 19:48:04 | pixelma | roolku already mentioned it here (posted a link) |
| 19:48:23 | tt-audio | Llorean: it seems to concern all archos my recorder pixelma's ondio and amiconn's ??? |
| 19:48:53 | amiconn | I tested with archos recorder (v1), could also test player and Ondio |
| 19:49:00 | Llorean | tt-audio: Yes, but you can write in the *description* that it has also been confirmed on (list of confirmed players) |
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| 19:50:36 | pixelma | Does anybody know if audioscrobbler works on the other targets correctly ATM (I'm just thinking of the settings changes) |
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| 19:51:04 | Llorean | pixelma: I *suspect* that a lot of people would be complaining if it were globally broken. |
| 19:51:04 | illriginal | can rockbox for toshiba play m4a? |
| 19:51:05 | tt-audio | amiconn: I would consider this bug as category "Music playback" (at least: the function is living in playback.c), do you have an better idea? |
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| 19:51:23 | Llorean | illriginal: Mostly, yes. |
| 19:51:27 | illriginal | woohoo |
| 19:51:28 | illriginal | thanks |
| 19:51:31 | amiconn | The function isn't in playback.c for archos because aurchos doesn't use playback.c at all |
| 19:51:47 | tt-audio | pixelma: yes there is an group in last.fm /me searchs in lasfm |
| 19:52:23 | amiconn | I guess it has to do with the callback registration |
| 19:52:57 | amiconn | Hmm, I don't feel like tracking that down, as I have no use for it... :/ |
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| 19:54:31 | * | petur managed to break his ubuntu install and reinstalls :( |
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| 19:54:47 | tt-audio | Does this mean the communication between audio_set_track_changed_event & scrobbler_change_event? |
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| 19:55:02 | amiconn | The "supported file formats" table in the manual is kinda broken |
| 19:55:05 | obo | tt-audio: give me a few minutes, and I'll raise a bug report |
| 19:55:21 | amiconn | (for both hwcodec and swcodec) |
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| 19:56:13 | tt-audio | amiconn: I'm not pushing you, but unfortunately I never programmed, therefore I try to make somebody aware who may is interested furthermore it's first time in flyspy and of course I try to avoid newbie mistakes :-) |
| 19:56:54 | tt-audio | hello obo, pleased to meet you |
| 19:57:14 | obo | evening :) |
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| 19:57:23 | Llorean | amiconn: The one that doesn't even list MP3 apparently? |
| 19:57:30 | Llorean | Just lists 'various'? |
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| 19:59:27 | directhex | are there any flash-based targets worth using (i.e. not portalplayer?) |
| 19:59:50 | pixelma | yes.. Ondio ;) |
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| 20:01:36 | amiconn | Llorean: No. (1) For archos, audio files can be mp3, mp2 and mpa. (2) For swcodec, .wav shouldn't be listed separately with the different icon |
| 20:01:47 | amiconn | That icon is specific for the wavplay plugin |
| 20:02:36 | Llorean | Ah |
| 20:02:47 | amiconn | (.mpa doesn't mean the archos supports mp1 - it doesn't - but mp2/mp3 files are also recognised with the .mpa extension) |
| 20:03:13 | Llorean | Ah |
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| 20:04:28 | m0nk_ | hey guys |
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| 20:06:20 | amiconn | Oh, and (3) .wav is also listed (separately) in the Player manual, which is wrong |
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| 20:06:39 | amiconn | The MAS3507D doesn't support the pcm codec, hence no wavplay |
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| 20:07:44 | obo | tt-audio: FS #6639 |
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| 20:11:30 | directhex | pixelma, so "no" then |
| 20:12:50 | pixelma | don't know what you mean with "no" - but I like the device |
| 20:13:01 | tt-audio | obo: found it, thanks. |
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| 20:21:02 | tt-audio | pixelma: there two rockbox related groups at lastfm: http://www.last.fm/group/Rockbox+Users and http://www.last.fm/group/rockscrobbler/ |
| 20:21:03 | tt-audio | but I seems that I'm the only one there who uses an archos device. according their forums other devices working. |
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| 20:26:00 | pixelma | tt-audio: ah thanks for the info, obo's more precise bug report says it too. Actually I don't care that much because I don't use the feature but I always want to try tracking down bugs |
| 20:26:12 | obo | tt-audio: I had a PM from another user after seeing what you'd written - I sent them the same debug build, and they had the same behaviour |
| 20:27:06 | tt-audio | obo did he mentioned which archos he has? |
| 20:27:15 | obo | another recorder v1 |
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| 20:45:29 | tucoz | Anyone around that knows anything about telechips, and the possibility to port rockbox to such a device? |
| 20:47:05 | busa_blade | no clue |
| 20:47:18 | directhex | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 20:47:50 | tucoz | I tried to answer in this thread. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8701.0 |
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| 20:48:12 | amiconn | tucoz: Highly depends on what telechips chip it is |
| 20:48:24 | amiconn | Most of them are arm based, but the tcc730 is not |
| 20:49:28 | tucoz | ok. I'll see what i can find in that fw-file |
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| 20:50:06 | amiconn | tcc730 a weird architecture to port to |
| 20:50:15 | amiconn | *is a ... |
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| 20:50:24 | tucoz | stupid router |
| 20:50:42 | tucoz | i see |
| 20:50:57 | amiconn | The Gmini 1xx/SP and 2xx are tcc730 based. |
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| 20:51:14 | tucoz | aha. so that is where i heard about that chip |
| 20:51:27 | amiconn | Calmrisc16 cpu core plus calmmac24 dsp core |
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| 20:52:32 | tucoz | the fcc documents had the text on the chips removed (which i can understand) unfortunatley |
| 20:52:37 | amiconn | This cpu is unusual in two ways. (1) it's a 16 bit cpu. (2) harvard architecture |
| 20:54:00 | tucoz | hmm. i found references to TCC77X |
| 20:54:26 | tucoz | do you think that is the processor? |
| 20:54:47 | directhex | yes |
| 20:55:03 | tucoz | ok. so this one then. http://www.telechips.com/product/p_024.htm |
| 20:55:25 | tucoz | it is an arm processor |
| 20:55:49 | directhex | pfft, 120mhz |
| 20:56:00 | amiconn | Better than ipod... |
| 20:56:04 | directhex | i laugh at such measly megahurtzes! |
| 20:56:40 | tucoz | hehe |
| 20:56:50 | linuxstb | amiconn: Your ipod is 2x100MHz... |
| 20:57:07 | amiconn | This tcc77x is a complete SoC, including flash and sdram |
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| 20:57:49 | tucoz | it has a samsung flash storage (according to the fcc docs) |
| 20:57:54 | amiconn | It's a good thing that it's arm based, but re will probably be challenging |
| 20:58:25 | tucoz | the fw shows the strings in clear text, so it's probably less encrypted than the MI4 files |
| 20:58:52 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, but then we don't use the 2x part... |
| 20:58:55 | amiconn | (yet) |
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| 21:00:34 | inteliwasp | i notived they made detection of a charger on the ipod now... but is the auto detection to diskmode disabled? |
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| 21:01:40 | tucoz | same processor as the iaudio 6 |
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| 21:03:26 | linuxstb | inteliwasp: No, are you having problems? |
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| 21:06:44 | inteliwasp | linuxstb: yes i am |
| 21:07:10 | pixelma | inteliwasp: are you using a daily build? |
| 21:07:49 | linuxstb | inteliwasp: Do you have a Mac? |
| 21:08:20 | inteliwasp | yes, r12246-070209 |
| 21:08:25 | inteliwasp | linux |
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| 21:10:23 | linuxstb | What exactly is the problem? |
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| 21:11:40 | inteliwasp | it's not tetected |
| 21:11:44 | inteliwasp | *detected |
| 21:12:42 | amiconn | Hmm, the new version number is too long on archoses, at least when building myself |
| 21:13:31 | amiconn | It looks like r12191:12192M-070201 |
| 21:14:06 | amiconn | ...but only the middle part is visible, even with a small font like rockfont-8 |
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| 21:15:43 | inteliwasp | linuxstb: ok i figured it out, my laptop usb ports are flakey |
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| 21:33:18 | amiconn | Hmm, after a rebuild the version string is ok |
| 21:33:28 | * | amiconn wonders what svnversion did last time |
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| 21:41:53 | BiptoN | has any headway been made with KoC8 and recording? |
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| 21:53:11 | BiptoN | or the cause of the misterious line noise while recording? |
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| 21:56:13 | linuxstb | BiptoN: I don't think anyone is doing any work on the ipod/H10 recording. |
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| 22:03:40 | amiconn | Note to self: Better not 'svn update' while building... |
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| 22:06:43 | directhex | by using "svn up" instead of "svn update", you could increase productivity by 30%! |
| 22:06:58 | amiconn | I know, and I do |
| 22:07:20 | NicolasBigaouett | Hi, I made two scripts for installing Rockbox from linux (for the iriver H10). Is it possible to have write access to the wiki? |
| 22:07:25 | amiconn | I was referring to the long version string problem |
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| 22:16:22 | Bagder | NicolasBigaouett: sure, just tell us your wiki name |
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| 22:20:19 | NicolasBigaouett | Badger: My wikiname is NicolasBigaouette |
| 22:20:38 | NicolasBigaouett | (don't forget the last "e" :) ) |
| 22:21:02 | Bagder | access granted! |
| 22:21:13 | directhex | how is the h10 as a port? |
| 22:22:04 | Bagder | directhex: it is a PP target so a bit lacking on the run-time side |
| 22:22:35 | directhex | urgh. what is it with the closed companies getting all the industry support? |
| 22:22:45 | * | directhex stabs portalplayer and broadcom and a few others |
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| 22:26:28 | BiptoN | yer kinda violent there directhex |
| 22:26:32 | BiptoN | lol |
| 22:27:01 | * | pixelma remembers an interesting forum thread about radio not yet working on H10... |
| 22:27:02 | directhex | BiptoN, i have learnt through interactions with insurance companies that violence is the best solution |
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| 22:31:10 | Jarret | I've been reading through some of the logs, etc. And gather that fat32 is the only thing not yet working on the 80 gig 5.5g, so does this mean there is a build out there that works on macpods/ext3 [or whichever it is that rockbox uses] ipods? |
| 22:31:35 | TrueJournals | doesn't rockbox use fat32? |
| 22:31:38 | Bagder | macpods use hfs, and rockbox doesn't suppot that |
| 22:31:55 | Mikachu | Jarret: rockbox only supports fat32/16 |
| 22:32:23 | directhex | which ipods only support hfs+? |
| 22:32:36 | Jarret | oh okay, thank you. |
| 22:32:51 | Bagder | directhex: none, they all support fat as well afaik |
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| 22:33:20 | directhex | Bagder, that's what i thought. it'a always nice to know i'm not going mad |
| 22:33:37 | Bagder | directhex: well, we can rule that out just yet ;-) |
| 22:33:40 | Bagder | can't |
| 22:33:52 | * | Bagder will learn to type one day |
| 22:34:02 | directhex | wibble? |
| 22:34:43 | Mikachu | Bagder: http://gigliwood.com/abcd/abcd.html |
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| 22:36:37 | bluebrother | download server admin around? |
| 22:36:48 | * | Bagder stands straight |
| 22:36:55 | Bagder | sir yes sir! |
| 22:37:20 | bluebrother | there seems to be an additional line break in the cygwin setup.ini file |
| 22:37:23 | bluebrother | at line 61 |
| 22:37:58 | bluebrother | afaics the checksum gets broken. Can you fix it? ;-) |
| 22:38:07 | Bagder | done |
| 22:38:24 | bluebrother | great :) |
| 22:38:46 | bluebrother | hmm, windows update is strange. Offers me IE6SP1 but that box doesn't have IE6 installed ... |
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| 22:39:17 | petur | bluebrother: wasn't it you who talked about VirtualBox? |
| 22:39:42 | directhex | bluebrother, there's no non-sp1 ie6 anymore |
| 22:39:58 | bluebrother | petur, yes. |
| 22:40:08 | directhex | bluebrother, so it's offering to install the latest (98?) compatible ie for you |
| 22:40:09 | bluebrother | I'm playing around with it currently |
| 22:40:50 | petur | bluebrother: must thank you for that, I'm now running ubuntu in it :) and rockbox compiles :) |
| 22:42:26 | bluebrother | I stubled across it on a german news site, and I liked it because they released it as OS. |
| 22:42:36 | bluebrother | and it works nicely on linux |
| 22:43:00 | petur | I like the fact that it's a standalone app (no services and stuff that stays in mem all the time |
| 22:43:02 | busa_blade | bye everyone |
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| 22:43:09 | bluebrother | hmm, is my proxy fooling me? That setup.ini seems to still have a linebreak that confuses the setup |
| 22:43:26 | directhex | i have a rat on me |
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| 22:44:10 | Bagder | bluebrother: the install line is now in a single one here for me at least |
| 22:44:59 | bluebrother | ok, looks like my proxy is the one to blame. Downloading from the other box works |
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| 23:28:15 | linuxstb | Bagder: Around? |
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| 23:30:00 | linuxstb | Domonoky: Any progress with rbutil and ipodpatcher? |
| 23:30:15 | Domonoky | yes.. |
| 23:30:31 | Domonoky | but at the moment i can not test |
| 23:30:41 | Domonoky | (no ipod) |
| 23:31:08 | Domonoky | i compiled ipodpatcher as a static lib, and linked it to rbUtil :-) |
| 23:32:19 | Domonoky | at the moment i am thinking how to make it so i can integrate bootloader installation for alle players.. |
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| 23:33:04 | sdfdsa | can anyone help me install rockbox in private chat? |
| 23:33:22 | hcs | rockbox doesn't run on private chats |
| 23:33:28 | hcs | though there is a port in progress |
| 23:33:29 | Big_Mac | read the manual in the topic |
| 23:33:34 | sdfdsa | ive been stuck on trying to get this to work |
| 23:33:50 | linuxstb | What are you trying to install it on? |
| 23:33:57 | sdfdsa | ihp-120 |
| 23:34:25 | linuxstb | I've forgotten how to do that... Are you running Windows? |
| 23:34:31 | preglow | linuxstb: thanks for the whitespace commit... |
| 23:34:40 | sdfdsa | yep |
| 23:34:43 | preglow | i can read the code now |
| 23:34:58 | linuxstb | preglow: :) It was painful... I haven't looked inside libspeex yet though. |
| 23:35:24 | sdfdsa | ive went through all the steps but always get the iriver firmware runnin not the rockbox |
| 23:35:53 | preglow | linuxstb: i think that looks better |
| 23:36:04 | preglow | linuxstb: if you want some real work, you need look no further than libtremor |
| 23:36:12 | preglow | monty _hates_ whitespace |
| 23:36:32 | linuxstb | As I was editing speex.c, I was thinking there must be tools to do that... |
| 23:36:39 | Mikachu | lindent? |
| 23:36:48 | Mikachu | or is it just indent? |
| 23:36:56 | Mikachu | or something completely different |
| 23:37:51 | linuxstb | sdfdsa: Do you see the Rockbox bootloader screen before the iriver firmware starts? |
| 23:37:59 | sdfdsa | you bet |
| 23:38:05 | Mikachu | ah yes, indent it is |
| 23:38:15 | Mikachu | http://www.gnu.org/software/indent/indent.html |
| 23:38:28 | linuxstb | sdfdsa: Does it display any messages? The most common would be error: -1 |
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| 23:41:40 | Big_Mac | can anyone walk me through setting up a network in vmware because that is what we narrowed my problem down to |
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| 23:41:57 | Big_Mac | because I can't access \\debian\user |
| 23:42:02 | Big_Mac | or use ftp |
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| 23:44:03 | sdfdsa | yeai get the -1 thing |
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| 23:44:23 | linuxstb | That means the bootloader can't find the rockbox.iriver file |
| 23:44:27 | sdfdsa | oh |
| 23:44:54 | linuxstb | Do you have it on your iriver, and if so, whereabouts? |
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| 23:46:30 | Big_Mac | any vmware users here? |
| 23:46:40 | directhex | workstation. |
| 23:46:59 | sdfdsa | shiyt im gonna format and try again because this just is confusing me |
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| 23:47:12 | sdfdsa | so i patch that file and stick it in the root |
| 23:47:15 | sdfdsa | right |
| 23:47:19 | linuxstb | No... |
| 23:47:24 | sdfdsa | boot first? |
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| 23:47:51 | linuxstb | You need to do two things: 1) Install the bootloader (which you've done successfully); 2) Download rockbox.zip and simply extract the contents to your iriver. |
| 23:48:19 | Big_Mac | directhex: I have workstation now, you sad it was possible to have vmware make the rockbox build to my hard disk (c:) instead of a virtual drive a while back |
| 23:48:21 | sdfdsa | could u give me the address |
| 23:48:36 | sdfdsa | because i get a broken link |
| 23:49:26 | directhex | Big_Mac, install vmware tools. it's in the menu options |
| 23:49:39 | linuxstb | sdfdsa: Go to www.rockbox.org, then click on "current builds" in the menu on the left, then scroll to the bottom of the page and find the h120/h140 link. |
| 23:49:42 | directhex | Big_Mac, and configure the virtual machine settings to use NAT for networking |
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| 23:52:07 | sdfdsa | ok |
| 23:52:10 | sdfdsa | got it open |
| 23:52:52 | | Quit combrains (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
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| 23:54:07 | Big_Mac | directhex:I know I have seen the vm tools option somewhere, can you point out under which menu |
| 23:54:35 | sdfdsa | linuxstb: now what? |
| 23:54:37 | directhex | can't remember. i'm not at work |
| 23:54:45 | combrains | VM > install VMWare Tools |
| 23:55:21 | linuxstb | sdfdsa: Have you extracted the rockbox.iriver file and .rockbox folder onto your iriver? |
| 23:55:52 | sdfdsa | linuxstb: you bet |
| 23:56:11 | linuxstb | Then that's it. Disconnect and reboot your iriver. |
| 23:56:24 | Big_Mac | I only have cancel vmware tools install |
| 23:57:04 | combrains | then look in the cdrom drive on your VM. you should have an RPM an linux or an EXE on windows |
| 23:57:06 | bluebrother | Big_Mac, when running linux as guest you need to do some manual steps |
| 23:58:29 | sdfdsa | hey thanks linuxstb |
| 23:58:39 | Big_Mac | ok would that be available in my actual cdrom drive, or my virtual one(which I have no idea how to access) |
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