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#rockbox log for 2007-02-10

00:00:42safetydanSo... speex isn't working too well eh?
00:00:46Big_Macyah it is debian
00:01:05directhexwhich version?
00:01:10directhexdesktop or not?
00:01:25Big_MacI am not sure
00:01:36Big_MacI believe it is desktop
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00:01:48directhexcat /etc/debian_version
00:03:05Big_Macthose are commands?
00:03:19Big_Macbecause when I type them it just mirrors what I type
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00:05:54Domonokyyou need a <
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00:06:10Domonokycat < /etc/debian i think..
00:06:41directhexand there's generally some severe issues going on
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00:08:10Big_Macdo you think if I exit vmware it will install the tools
00:09:15directhexno, it won
00:09:24directhexand according to the wiki, they're already installed
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00:09:37directhex*sigh*, i suppose i could download the image, and take a look at it
00:09:42Big_Macit says in workstation they are out of date
00:09:47directhexbut i strongly suspect it's a problem specific to you
00:09:49Big_MacI have them
00:09:54Big_Macthey are just old
00:10:07directhexprobably something stupid like zonealarm
00:10:28directhexgo into the virtual machine properties, shared folders, and share your c drive
00:10:34directhexit's then in /mnt/hgfs
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00:13:34Big_Macok then in there what am I doing
00:13:53TrueJournalssince we're talking about linux... does anyone know how to make apt-get install dependencies automatically?
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00:14:06Domonokywhat happens when you "ipodpatcher" your ipod twice ?
00:14:43Big_Macthat was at you directhex
00:15:05LloreanDomonoky: It writes the bootloader, then it replaces the bootloader with the bootloader
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00:15:19Domonokyso nothing bad ?
00:15:34LloreanIf something bad happens, it's a bug
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00:16:00Domonokygood, so its save for rbutil to just do an bootloaderadd
00:16:10Big_MacAnd vmware-tools is the command name correct?
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00:17:45linuxstbTrueJournals: apt-get always installs dependencies automatically, at least in my experience.
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00:18:42TrueJournalslinuxstb: when I try to apt-get install subversion, it says "The following packages have unment dependencies: subversion: Depends:..."
00:19:04Domonokydoes anyone with a ipod like to try the new rbutil ? (with integrated ipodpatcher) but no garantie ,i cant test it at moment..
00:20:09linuxstbTrueJournals: Have you run "apt-get update"?
00:20:24TrueJournalslinuxstb: yes
00:20:32TrueJournalsMaybe I'll try a different mirror...
00:20:43LloreanDomonoky: If you're around in about an hour 'n a half, I can probably try it then.
00:21:21Domonokyokey, i will make a zip and upload it somewhere..
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00:22:35TrueJournalsah, yeah, got it working with a mirror...
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00:23:10Big_Macdirecthex: You here man?
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00:28:59jbahye linuxstb, where do i go on the rockbox site to find out mpegplayer status? or do i just ask in here?
00:30:31linuxstbNo change recently. The PluginMpegplayer wiki page has the status.
00:31:02linuxstbBut someone was here the other day who seems to be working on implementing rebuffering.
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00:36:15jbacool thanks mate
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00:41:02artillery2302i would post on the forum but it hasnt sent me the reg confirmation
00:41:43artillery2302no ones alive
00:42:08linuxstbWe're just waiting for you to ask a question.
00:43:09artillery2302okay so i'm following the mac installation and im trying to get the and its not working and when i do download it mac osx unzips it for me but theres nothing in the folder ... am i missing something
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00:44:45midgeyartillery2302: the zip file unzips into .rockbox, which is hidden on mac
00:44:51artillery2302i see <- rbutil with ipodpatcher (untested)
00:45:20linuxstbPlus I think there's a problem with the current daily build - the rockbox.ipod file is missing.
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00:45:26artillery2302so how do i put it onto my ipod if i cant see it exactly
00:45:27Domonoky^^ for windows
00:45:56linuxstbartillery2302: Download the latest "current build" for your ipod instead
00:46:20Domonokywe should compile a rbutil for macos, would solve this problems :-)
00:46:29linuxstbDomonoky: Feel free...
00:46:42Domonokyhehe, dont have macos ..
00:46:48artillery2302i downloaded the ipodpatcher and so it turns it into rockbox-1.ipod
00:46:57artillery2302when it unzips itself is that good
00:47:20midgeyerror -1 means it can't find the firmware
00:47:33artillery2302no the file is rockbox-1.ipod
00:47:41artillery2302after i download it and osx unzips
00:48:00midgeythe zip should contain rockbox.ipod and .rockbox
00:48:05linuxstbMy advice would be to not let OS X unzip it...
00:48:09midgeyyou should only see .rockbox
00:48:21midgeyerr, scratch that
00:48:26artillery2302yeah i guess i need to figure out how to get osx to stop doing that
00:48:37midgeyyou should only see rockbox.ipod
00:48:55midgeycan't you just download the zip file, and unzip through terminal?
00:48:56artillery2302oh i know why it did that i already have a rockbox.ipod on my desktop
00:48:59artillery2302im in idiot
00:49:35artillery2302it sucks being a visual learner its hard to read something and follow it
00:49:36artillery2302for me
00:49:53midgeycopy the zip to your ipod and unzip it there, then delete the zip
00:50:34artillery2302okay im just trying to get everything ready i havnt re-formated my ipod yet to fat32
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00:51:10artillery2302so once i do that when i look at the ipod as a drive it shouldnt have contacts photos .... etc
00:51:13artillery2302it should have the root folder
00:51:30artillery2302and other various stuff i know nothing about
00:52:18midgeyyes, well you have to enable an option to show your ipod as a drive in itunes iirc
00:53:11DataGhostGodEater, care to test my experimental, modified kernel?
00:53:11artillery2302yeah my itunes says enable disk use and its checked
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00:53:25DataGhostit should now autodetect the used partition so it should work on ANY iPod :) and it can mount fat32 on any iPod too (supposedly)
00:53:30artillery2302so i think i have a 5.5 it still works right
00:53:37DataGhostexcept for nano2g :P
00:54:09artillery2302sorry im not really this stupid i swear
00:54:13linuxstbartiller2302: This forum post may help you with the hidden file problem -
00:55:27midgeyi wish there was a shortcut on mac to display hidden files...
00:56:03linuxstbls -a works fine for me.
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00:56:41midgeyoh, it works find in terminal
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00:57:25linuxstbI know what you mean. It's a odd feature to leave out.
00:57:34Papricahi all...
00:57:44midgeythere are a lots of odd quirks...
00:57:53Papricawhy chooper game isnt commited yet?
00:57:56linuxstbBut I guess that Apple think that people that need to access hidden files will figure it out.
00:58:05Papricathere is any special reason?
00:58:08midgeyprobably something like that
00:58:26artillery2302thank you very much now i should be able to do this
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00:58:57linuxstbPaprica: I think it's simply that no-one has noticed it...
00:58:59artillery2302just to make sure, if i put rockbox on my ipod i still can use my mac and itunes to put files onto it correct?
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00:59:10linuxstb(no-one with write access that is)
01:00:38linuxstbartillery2302: Yes. If you want to continue with itunes, you won't be able to use Rockbox's file browser feature to browse your music, just the Rockbox database.
01:01:15linuxstbBut Rockbox doesn't affect itunes or the apple firmware at all.
01:01:38artillery2302whats the difference between the file browser and database
01:02:25artillery2302on my ipod i wont be able to like browse by artist or songs or anything like that?
01:02:47midgeyfile browser is like finder, database is like the ipod view (organize by artists etc)
01:03:11artillery2302oh ... theres nothing wrong with that
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01:04:08artillerytxthank you guys for being so helpful this has really been one of the most confusing things ever but i'm glad im learning about it
01:04:23artillerytxits starting to make more sense
01:04:58artillerytxand if i somehow screw my ipod up i can fully restore orignal firmware with the backup i creatre in the installation instructions
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01:05:26linuxstbYes, or just click on "restore" in itunes.
01:05:41artillerytxawesome so there really is nothing to loose
01:05:47artillerytxjust an amazing os to gain
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01:28:41Domonokyhttp:/ <- now with ipod and gigabeat support (untested) (both bootloader and rockbox) (windows binary)
01:30:26linuxstbDomonoky: I just tried your previous version (in Linux using Wine - so the ipodpatcher parts failed to see my ipod, as I would expect). But it seemed to download the bootloader (the download window flashed up very briefly) before failing.
01:30:59LloreanI've just restored my iPod and am about to test it
01:31:10linuxstbDid you need to modify ipodpatcher very much (if at all) to make a static lib out of it?
01:31:18Domonokyjeah downloading works..
01:31:32Domonokybut if the ipodpatcher part works.. (i hope.. :-) )
01:31:59linuxstbThe order seems odd though - it should detect the kind of ipod first, and then download the correct bootloader...
01:32:03amiconnsafetydan: (1) Why not use DEBUGF() instead of printf()? (2) There is still one warning left (only for sims built on 64 bit machines)
01:32:13Domonokyat the moment it can only work if the autdetection of ipodpatcher works..
01:32:34LloreanOkay, bootloader install worked
01:32:35Domonokyyou selected your ipod..
01:32:46LloreanBUT Rockbox install didn't, I think the URL it points to is simply outdated.
01:32:53Domonokycould be..
01:33:07Domonokyi had to update the ini file
01:33:08linuxstbBut that's good news.
01:33:31Domonokyi will check the urls
01:33:31LloreanBut, what was all that about auto-detection?
01:33:31artillerytxhey again
01:33:33linuxstbDomonoky: But there's no need for a user to select their type of ipod - just "ipod" in that list is enough.
01:33:37artillerytxwhat is the ipod root folder called?
01:33:40LloreanIt asked me what drive my iPod was
01:33:42linuxstb(for the bootloader part of the install).
01:33:59Lloreanartillerytx: "root folder" means just in the root of the drive. X:\
01:34:04artillerytxoh okay
01:34:20Domonokythis is because i reused the wizard pages for the normal rockbox install
01:34:44LloreanWhat happens if I pick a wrong model/drive?
01:35:05Domonokyhm, i think ipodpatcher complains ?
01:35:09linuxstbThe add_bootloader() function in ipodpatcher should reject it.
01:35:38linuxstbBut the drive letter will just be ignored (I assume).
01:35:40Domonokywhich should in return give you a failure in rbutil with the error message..
01:35:48Domonokydrive letter is ignored
01:35:55artillerytxso i just put the rockbox folder and the fonts folder in im supposed to eject it and then put it back in ? and then do the bootloader?
01:36:08Domonokydrive letter is used in gigabeat bootloeader install :-)
01:36:09LloreanYou might want to cut the drive letter out and replace it with a "The first detected iPod will be used"
01:36:26LloreanSo people don't try to plug in multiple iPods and just run it on each in sequence, and start wondering why it failed after the first one.
01:36:27linuxstbNo, don't eject, "unmount" it.
01:36:53Domonokyjeah i should modify the page, depending which model you selected
01:36:58LloreanDomonoky: For the gigabeat, does it rename the original firmware file properly?
01:37:06Domonokyi hope,
01:37:12Domonokyi couldnt test..
01:37:19Domonokybut i check every step..
01:37:32Domonokyso it should error if it fails..
01:37:34artillerytxoh cause it says eject
01:37:41artillerytxon the installtion instructions
01:37:50Lloreanartillerytx: Which instructions, exactly?
01:38:01artillerytxipod instalation beta
01:38:11artillerytxcause im doing it on a mac
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01:38:46LloreanThe ONLY use of the word 'eject' in there tells windows users to make sure to use the eject function rather than just unplugging it.
01:38:55artillerytxoh okay
01:39:04artillerytxso i keep going with the ipod plugged in
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01:39:48LloreanDomonoky: I'm going to skip testing it on my Gigabeat at the moment, because I'm not sure the recovery process for a missing bootloader if it goes wrong.
01:40:11Domonokyoki, no problem
01:40:16LloreanBut it seems to work fine on my Nano
01:40:25Domonokythats good news..
01:40:27LloreanWell, the bootloader part does, rather
01:40:32linuxstbDomonoky: IMO, the wizard should just have a single "ipod" option. It should then call the scan() function, and tell the user if an ipod was found, and if so, which model. That also needs to check for macpods. You can then download and install the appropriate bootloader.
01:40:41Domonokyjeah urls in the ini are wrong
01:41:23Domonokyoki.. i will change the wizard (make my own pages instead of quick reuse) :-)
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01:42:30linuxstbDid you need to modify the ipodpatcher code much?
01:42:40Lloreanhelp: Really your best bet is to actually follow the instructions in the manual, but yes, you just keep going with it plugged in.
01:42:42Domonokynearly nothing
01:42:57amiconnsafetydan: I just fixed (2)
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01:43:50Domonoky i just added "char* get_parttype(int pt);" to ipodpatcher.exe thats all..
01:44:29Domonokyand i rebuild what the main.c does for add and remove in rbutil
01:45:13linuxstbMaybe I should move ipodpatcher from tools/ to rbutil/, you can then easily link the code directly.
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01:46:25helpwhen im in the terminal im in desktop does ipodpatcher need to be on the dekstop along with bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod
01:46:40Domonokyi plan to add bootloader installation for all players in rbutil, but on some players i will need help :-)
01:46:46helpcause i tried typing ipodpatcher −−scan and it said −−bash ipodpatcher cannot be found
01:46:48linuxstbhelp: You can test the new, easier ipodpatcher if you wish.
01:47:11helpwhats the new easier one
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01:47:25LloreanDomonoky: For the H1xx and H3xx series, the user needs to manually do a lot of steps, or at the very least have certain files ready in advance for merging with the bootloader
01:47:37linuxstbWith instructions here:
01:47:42Big_Macanyone here use vmware workstation for compiling?
01:48:07artillerytxis this just going to confuse me or is it really easier to install the bootloader
01:48:17Lloreanartillerytx: Much easier.
01:48:20artillerytxk awesome
01:48:23Domonokyi know, i own a h120, but we will see :-)
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01:50:05artillerytxhey so when i brought my ipod back from the windows computer after making it fat32
01:50:07directhexBig_Mac, i'm back
01:50:13artillerytxitunes is asking me to erase and sync
01:50:14artillerytxdo i want to do that
01:50:27artillerytxso cancel
01:50:34LloreanThat'll un-convert it, I think.
01:51:13artillerytxalright so itunes opened if i close out of itunes wont that eject my ipod or no
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01:51:54linuxstbCheck that the "enable use as disk" option is still selected.
01:52:13artillerytxmy ipod isnt on my desktop anymore
01:52:22artillerytxafter i clicked that and i cant find it in disk utility
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01:52:44linuxstbThen it must have been ejected by itunes... Check that option.
01:53:20artillerytxk i checked to make itunes not open when its connected
01:53:29artillerytxim gonna eject it and put it back in
01:53:58artillerytxmo fo opend itunes again
01:54:11artillerytxcan i just keep itunes open ?
01:55:09artillerytxeverytime i quit itunes it ejects my damn ipod i cant find the option to turn that off
01:55:41linuxstbYou need to select your ipod in itunes, and then scroll down the window that appears.
01:56:02artillerytxk fixed it
01:56:10artillerytxi wasnt appying the settings
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01:57:57artillerytxokay im doen installing the bootloader should rockbox work now?
01:58:07artillerytxthat was super easy by the way !
01:58:49linuxstbGlad it worked. Yes, if you now eject and unplug your ipod, Rockbox should start.
01:59:16artillerytxwait it said cant find rockbox.ipod
01:59:18artillerytxwhen it loaded up
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01:59:59artillerytxi put the rockbox shit into the root folder
02:00:09artillerytxdo i plug it back in
02:00:48LloreanDid you simply extract the onto the iPod?
02:01:17LloreanIf you open your iPod, you should see on it, not in any folders, the file rockbox.ipod, do you?
02:01:24artillerytxi put rockbox-ipodvideo into
02:01:25artillerytxas a folder
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02:03:04artillerytxokay so nothing should be in a folder correct
02:03:19LloreanWell there's a hidden folder, .rockbox
02:03:29LloreanYou need to make sure that it's not in any folders either, but you may not see it
02:03:30artillerytxyeah well i can see hidden files
02:03:39LloreanWhich is why we recommend simply extracting straight to the device.
02:03:58artillerytxyeah i just cant do that cause i have osx and it does it to the desktop
02:04:07LloreanYou should see rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder on the device. .rockbox will have lots of other stuff in it, but those two need to not be in any other folders.
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02:06:02artillerytxokay i see rockbox.ipod and .rockbox
02:06:07artillerytxwhat about the fonts ?
02:06:12artillerytxis that in .rockbox
02:07:01artillerytxokay i put the fonts into the .rockbox
02:07:52artillerytxhow do you restart from diskmode
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02:08:15linuxstbHold MENU+SELECT
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02:09:08artillerytxit worked
02:09:35artillerytxso how do you put the differnt skins ?
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02:10:55Big_Macalright I have a ubuntu environment running
02:11:05Lloreanartillerytx: At this point you should probably start reading the manual
02:11:24Big_Macand I entere the "svn co svn://...." command and I am getting a bash error
02:11:42artillerytxk sorry haha
02:11:44artillerytxthank you so much
02:11:47directhexany specific bash error?
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02:12:15Big_Macshould I be using a different command to connect to the svn repository
02:12:32Big_Macjust command not found
02:12:51directhexthat doesn't seem an overly cryptic error to me
02:13:04directhexbash is reporting that the "svn" command isn't found
02:13:21directhexwhy would it report that? because it's not installed
02:13:22Big_MacI don't know what command I shuld be using
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02:13:56Big_MacI can install the packages I assume using apt get?
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02:14:00directhexwindows doesn't come with half life pre-installed. not every distribution comes with subversion pre-installed
02:14:18directhex"sudo aptitude install subversion"
02:14:22linuxstbI thought the vmware image had subversion installed though?
02:14:42Big_Macnot the debian image
02:14:50directhexsudo means 'run this command as the system administrator'. aptitude is a package manager with reasonable dependency resolution.
02:14:52Big_MacI am using just a ubuntu 6.1 image
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02:15:03directhexlinuxstb, he failed to get anywhere with the rockbox image for some reason
02:15:07directhexBig_Mac, no such version
02:15:21Big_Macyes there is... ^.10
02:15:45Big_Macedgy eft
02:15:51directhex6.10 != 6.1
02:15:52Big_Maccheck the site man:)
02:15:54linuxstbThen yes, do what directhex said.
02:17:16Big_MacJust a question, if this image runs in my vmware virtual station, it should run on my laptop then right?
02:18:01directhexin vmware on the laptop
02:18:18directhexas long as you haven't done anything silly like 64-bit or dual-processor mode on the virtual machine
02:20:58Big_Macsweet that means it was fixed and I can install ubuntu tonight*)
02:22:00Big_Macalright well I am going to reboot and make sure everything works fine in the live disk
02:22:36directhexyou mean 'will ubuntu work on the laptop' or 'will ubuntu work in vmware on the laptop', sorry?
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02:24:04dewdudeanyone using the vmware platform have any problem compiling recent svn's?
02:24:25Lloreandewdude: You need to update the arm-elf-gcc to 4.0.3, probably
02:24:32dewdudeLlorean, alrighty
02:24:45dewdudei'll fix sources.list and do an update
02:25:10scorchethere isnt anything wrong with sources.list
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02:25:22scorchebut, i guess i need to update the image again
02:26:34linuxstbOr just create a .tgz with the /usr/local/arm/ (or whatever) directory?
02:26:53linuxstbs/Or/and/ ?
02:27:02dewdudescorche, last time i tried to apt-get something, i got nothing but a bunch of 404's...unless it was a mirror snafu
02:27:53scorchedewdude: i edited that file and used it to update the image to version 3, so i doubt something is wrong with it
02:28:10*dewdude shrugs
02:28:16dewdudei'll give it another shot
02:28:33scorchelinuxstb: with many of the users of the image, it would be simpler to just make a new image for them
02:28:42Lloreanscorche: Many things can't be apt-getted at the moment.
02:28:57LloreanI'm not really sure why, it just lists dependencies and says it decided not to download them, for me.
02:29:03*directhex makes a NEW vmware image. with blackjack. and hookers.
02:29:07linuxstbscorche: Yes, but it could be useful to give clueful users the option of a .tgz.
02:29:16LloreanBut to update the arm-elf-gcc you just need to apt-get bzip2, and then use
02:29:17scorchelinuxstb: true
02:29:31dewdudedirecthex, actually, forget the blackjack!
02:29:42Lloreanscorche: An image where the crosscompilers are in the folders that installs them to, by default, rather than custom folders, would probably be better.
02:29:52*linuxstb was about to suggest the same...
02:29:55directhexwho makes the image?
02:29:57scorcheLlorean: i actually was thinking about that last night
02:30:10LloreanThat way they can just update it by rerunning rockboxdev.
02:30:13directhexi might be shit at low-level hardware hackery in c, but i can manage vmware like nobody's business
02:30:32scorcheLlorean: aye...i will do that for version 4 then
02:30:35LloreanOf course, we need to package it with bzip2 for that, but that's hardly a big deal. :)
02:31:07scorchedirecthex: i didnt originally make it, but i seem to be the recent maintainer
02:31:46scorchedirecthex: also, i have noticed you make a lot of off-topic comments and generally useless information...this is a technical channel...not a social one
02:34:41dewdudescorche, sorry i thought sources was seems to be working now..but i tried the other day and it was just 404 error after 404 error.
02:34:44*jhMikeS thought off topic useless information was his department
02:35:38directhexjhMikeS, no, it's very much my style. i suppose saying 'why ipd nano 2 not wrk" a lot would be more on-topic though \o/
02:36:01Lloreandirecthex: The issue is that the channel's logged, and lots of OT spam makes it harder to scan through for relevant things.
02:36:30jhMikeSdirecthex: I think everyone's just more ok with telling you directly :)
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02:37:03LloreanOccasional OT is understandable, it happens, but it makes it easier if everyone mostly tries to keep it relevant so the logs are more readable.
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02:38:04scorchealso, (you are far from the only one i have seen), but if a user asks something or has an issue, tell them to wait for someone who does know about it if you dont...i have seen many instances of people leading users down the wrong path lately and someone has had to come in and say " is this"...what i fear are the times when no one is around to say that
02:40:36jhMikeSWell, if I know, I know, if I know I don't, or don't think I can atm, I just try to keep quite and perhaps investigate and see if I can.
02:41:01scorchejhMikeS: wasnt meaning you ;)
02:41:39jhMikeSThen I guess that sentence was just completely invalidated ::P
02:41:40scorchehowever, i have seen instances of people saying "well, this is why it does that and this is what you need to do" when they are completely wrong
02:44:36jhMikeSSince you know that, you have to know it's bs already therefore should slap them kindly and correct their mistake. :)
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02:45:09scorchejhMikeS: but that doesnt mean i was here at the time to do that ;)
02:45:11dewdudehe can't be here all the time
02:45:51LloreanThere's a ridiculous amount of misinformation about Rockbox out there anyway, we've got to try to control it when it's somewhere we can. :)
02:46:03jhMikeSThen I guess it's in the logs since you've "seen" it.
02:46:14scorchejhMikeS: somewhere in there...
02:46:15LloreanThere's at least two threads I've seen on other sites were people were 100% certain you had to wipe your windows iPod to install Rockbox.
02:47:22LloreanAnd we had one guy in our forums stating that Rockbox absolutely does not touch the flash on H120 (being only an H10 user, who I think just got confused as to what target what under discussion)
02:47:41*jhMikeS thinks "windows iPod" sounds stange enough
02:47:42dewdudei'll admit..i knew NOTHING about it other than it worked on my ipod when i bought my ipod...i still don't know much...but...there's a simple fact that people 9 times out of 10 don't even bother to fully read the website and just, jump in here
02:48:06directhexi'd appreciate being told which specific instances of my misinforming people have been noted. there have been times when i've been misinformed and asked a question, granted, but i tend not to intentionally stab in the dark
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02:48:50LloreanI'll say right now, I don't pay much attention to _who_ gets things wrong. Hell, I've done it a few times myself, anyway. :)
02:49:05scorchedirecthex: it was a bit ago, but i am just speaking generally atm...if i see it again, i will let you know =)
02:49:29LloreanThough speaking as a rough percentage relative to the amount of information I've given out, I think I'm still in the green. ;)
02:49:39jhMikeSFor me, like earlier today having no clue what's up with the speex stuff and stereo, had to go look at other's prompting and did find out what's up.
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02:51:04dewdudei still can't believe a voice codec supports stereo.
02:51:20jhMikeSfor schizophrenics?
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02:52:18LloreanWell, some crazy people encode separate audio tracks into each of the two channels.
02:52:20linuxstbFor spoken-word drama?
02:52:32jhMikeSboth side of an argument?
02:52:37dewdudei was trying to figure out a way to say that linuxstb
02:52:37safetydanamiconn, I'm not even sure those printfs should be compiled. I'm looking at redoing the port and synching with the latest SVN of speex at the same time. Those printfs are #ifdef'd out there.
02:53:13linuxstbsafetydan: Is speex itself in svn?
02:53:22linuxstbI mean does the speex project use svn?
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02:54:27jhMikeSsafetydan: Is encoding capability in that lib? not that I expect realtime atm but at least there.
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02:55:57LloreanSpeex plays back slightly faster on my Gigabeat than on my PC.
02:56:27LloreanIn less than 15 seconds there's a noticeable difference in the file position now
02:57:13LloreanIt looks like it's playing slightly faster than realtime, the elapsed time *looks* like it's going faster than 1 second per second.
02:58:10directhexjust to check i'm not *completely* useless, is there anything evidently wrong with ?
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02:59:58Lloreandirecthex: To make 'A' the settings reset button?
03:00:04linuxstbNo, but you can simplify it with #elif
03:00:29jhMikeSlinuxstb: I was just typing that! rrrr
03:00:59directhexLlorean, yes. i can't be the only one who keeps resetting his settings by accident by leaving 'hold' on before rockbox has completely finished booting
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03:01:44artillery2302hey i was just here and i installed rockbox it worked i put some songs on it and stuff and then i tunred it off and now i cant get it to come back on
03:01:57Domonokyhm.. linuxstb would it be possible to include the filename of the bootloader in the ipod_t struct ?
03:01:59linuxstbUsing hold to reset settings isn't a good choice - it was probably copied from the ipod, which uses hold as the least bad solution.
03:02:09directhexlinuxstb, then change it on line 336! well, 332 i suppose without the 4-line patch
03:02:46dewdudelinuxstb, didn't that change..or is that if you put hold on after the bootloader goes to rockbox, cuz if i hold right as i power on, it boots of
03:03:20linuxstbYes, you turn hold on after the bootloader starts.
03:03:41Lloreanartillery2302: What happens when you try to turn it on?
03:03:51artillery2302it just sits there nothing is goin on
03:03:55artillery2302it was working fine
03:04:07artillery2302i plugged it in into my computer and still nothing
03:04:10LloreanTurn on hold, turn off hold, and then hold Menu+Select for like 20 seconds.
03:04:55*Llorean files a couple bug reports re Speex so he doesn't forget them.
03:04:59artillery2302it finally came up
03:05:04artillery2302whats up with that
03:05:44Lloreanartillery2302: It's a hardware glitch in some iPods, they do that sometimes. We don't know why yet.
03:06:12artillery2302i figured out how to load themes but the text is like too high up
03:06:23artillery2302is that normal
03:06:27linuxstbDoes the font change when you change theme?
03:06:31directhexgood lord it's late. anyway, trivial patch for less annoying settings reset on gigabeat (forces it to be an active 2-handed procedure that no bugger will do by accident, which is what i'd say was the vital bit). licensed under WTFPL version 2. do as you will. ciao.
03:06:36artillery2302on some of them it does
03:06:44Lloreanmarkun: Do you know, is the Gigabeat supposed to be showing '17mhz' in the audio thread screen?
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03:07:04artillery2302this is what i did tell me if its wrong i just got the zipped filed and copied and pasted the files from backdrop, font, etc
03:07:09artillery2302into each of the folder on .rockbox
03:07:27Lloreanartillery2302: It may be that the theme you've chosen requires a modified version of Rockbox to work properly
03:07:32linuxstbLlorean: That's probably because CPU frequency is disabled, and the wrong frequency is defined in config-gigabeat.h
03:07:40Lloreanartillery2302: Also, many themes use the Chicago font which is no longer included.
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03:08:03Lloreanlinuxstb: Ah.
03:08:05artillery2302im using jblack glass
03:08:18Big_MacAlright just booted up into linux
03:08:19Lloreanartillery2302: Yes, that theme requires a heavily modified version of Rockbox. It won't work with the official one.
03:08:38artillery2302oh so i have to like do abunch of stuff
03:08:49Big_Macbut I can't connect to any sites in firefox using my wireless card so I am guessing I have to set something up
03:08:58Big_Macbut I will go ask in ubuntu
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03:10:43artillery2302so is this modified one like i have to install abunch of patches and stuff
03:10:58artillery2302cause the jblack glass really is the best theme ever
03:11:40Lloreanartillery2302: You'll have to either compile your own build of Rockbox, or download an unsupported build from the forums (which may have unknown bugs that you will not get help with here)
03:12:28artillery2302oh okay
03:12:37artillery2302i think they said on the site that it doesnt support 5.5G yet
03:12:39artillery2302so i guess i can do it
03:18:14*jhMikeS can't stand the suspense knowing there an important taping trial in progress
03:19:26artillery2302jeeze now i cant get it to recognize its plugged into the computer
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03:25:19artillery2302so why do i have to use the database instead of file browser?
03:25:47Lloreanartillery2302: Because you used iTunes to put your songs on it.
03:26:00LloreaniTunes renames the songs to crazy things, making it impossible to easily identify which songs are which.
03:26:17artillery2302so if would of just like copied and pasted them into a music folder?
03:26:20artillery2302in .rockbox
03:27:07LloreanNot in /.rockbox/
03:27:11LloreanSince that's usually hidden.
03:27:24LloreanJust make a folder on the device called "Music" and put them in there, is the most common method
03:27:31LloreanTHen you can browse into it and play them
03:27:46artillery2302okay you can play movies with rockbox right?
03:27:59LloreanNot really.
03:28:05LloreanYou can play very short video files, at the moment
03:28:10hachiI think that if I use gnupod to load stuff onto my ipod, I can force the filenames to whatever I want... BUT... I think this involves hackery
03:28:26artillery2302i see
03:28:31Lloreanhachi: And modern iPod firmwares don't accept that, I think.
03:28:53artillery2302cool cool
03:29:03hachiI think it works sorta, I tried it already on my 5.5
03:29:06hachiit may not be perfect
03:29:45artillery2302i guess its common for my ipod to take forever to show up ?
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03:30:10Lloreanhachi: I was led to understand that the iPod firmware doesn't accept filenames outside the ipod_control folder, or longer than a certain length.
03:30:13hachi20 seconds or so for me
03:30:22artillery2302im on a mac
03:30:24Lloreanartillery2302: OSX doesn't like Fat32 for some reason.
03:30:34artillery2302i think im gonna restore my ipod
03:30:34hachioh, the ipod_Control part I could understand, and possibly tht length as well
03:30:51artillery2302if it ever shows up
03:31:10Lloreanhachi: So it works, but only in a very limited sense, I think.
03:31:32hachimmm, agreed
03:32:08LloreanBut Rockbox is really intended for those people who want to leave the Apple firmware behind anyway.
03:33:47artillery2302i see
03:33:52artillery2302i like to watch movies on my ipod
03:33:59artillery2302so i guess i need to stick with the original firmware
03:34:33safetydanjhMikeS, I believe encoding is included in the lib
03:34:40safetydanlinuxstb, yes speex uses subversion
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03:35:01Lloreanartillery2302: You are aware it dual boots, right?
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03:35:27jhMikeSsafetydan: ah, good...hopefully speex_enc.codec isn't too far off then
03:35:50safetydanjhMikeS, hopefully so
03:35:52artillery2302rockbox is awesome
03:36:18artillery2302i just wish it worked better with macs
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03:40:47Lloreanartillery2302: It's Macs that work poorly with Fat32 formatted drives in general. Hardly Rockbox's fault in that instance at least.
03:41:34*Llorean wonders if the 'recording' screen could have as an input option 'file' for transcoding.
03:41:43artillery2302sorry i didnt mean it that way
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03:43:43LloreanjhMikeS: Good or bad faint?
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03:45:42jhMikeSLlorean: kind of on the bad side...wondering what sort of rework that would need...much easier if files are converted to pcm first but two codecs can't load simultaneously
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03:46:24LloreanjhMikeS: Yeah, but you could just decode 20mb of the file into RAM, swap codecs, encode, write, repeat?
03:47:07LloreanIt's not like you don't have to spin the disk often anyway to read more file.
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03:47:18jhMikeSyes, if voice is moved out of the way somehow and then do as you suggest
03:47:33LloreanjhMikeS: Why does voice need to be removed?
03:48:01LloreanAren't both encode and decode codecs linked to the same location?
03:49:06LloreanI'm not suggesting it should be done now, or that it might be remotely easy, just contemplating that as an alternative for if encoders we want end up not being realtime.
03:49:07jhMikeSthey are, but a goal was to free 512KB of memory and only use one buffer instead of one for voice and one for audio
03:49:51jhMikeSbut then again, if the disk is already spun...
03:50:56LloreanTranscoding is going to be a disk-heavy activity pretty much no matter what.
03:54:40jhMikeS20MB goes by suprisingly fast though...perhaps could combine the encoder/decoder into one codec...sometimes things that strike me as nightmarish at first turn out not to be so bad on thinking it through
03:56:00LloreanHow would transforming them into on codec help for transcoding, or is that something else entirely?
03:57:08jhMikeSnever mind, we're talking transcoding...:D My brain goes all kinds of wrong places at first.
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03:59:06jhMikeSSwapping like that might just be the thing to do and would seem like a single step
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03:59:44LloreanI just realized that transcoding might make more sense as a 'file' input in the recording screen (from a user perspective) than creating some special interface just for it.
03:59:50LloreanThough I'm not really sure, honestly.
04:00:07LloreanTranscoding on-target should be fairly rare anyway.
04:00:34LloreanBut at the same time, the times when a user's going to wish they had it are most likely the times where the only alternative is deleting things for space.
04:00:35jhMikeSThen I'd say "plugin"
04:04:01Domonokydomonoky/"> <- new rbutil with support for Iaudio/gigabeat/ipod and reworked Bootloader install Wizard (completly untested) :-)
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04:07:09Domonokybut its late, me goes sleeping..
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04:07:44JerryLangehello everybody
04:10:42JerryLangewhats new?
04:11:12TrueJournalsworking on my mencoder frontend...
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04:12:29AriX_hey all
04:13:22AriX_er this is stupid but... anyone know how to checkout svn from rockbox
04:13:27AriX_i dont know the servername or anything
04:13:31AriX_then again i didn't search much..
04:13:46TrueJournalsuse the command svn co svn:// (directory to put source)
04:14:00AriX_thanks a ton
04:14:04TrueJournalsdirectory to put source in is optional... if you don't put it, it'll make the directory "trunk"
04:14:07TrueJournalsno problem
04:14:17AriX_im compiling ipodpatcher for mac cause the pre-compiled one doesn't work...
04:14:37AriX_ugh.. nvm i wont be doing that righ tnow... developer tools stopped working..
04:14:41AriX_oh well
04:14:46AriX_thanks anyway, ill save this lol
04:14:50AriX_i dont have time to fix it now
04:14:53TrueJournalsno problem
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04:58:58safetydanwoo... latest SVN of speex compiles
04:59:01safetydannow for testing
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05:08:30safetydanwell that didn't go so well
05:08:35LloreanNo good?
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05:11:53safetydanit just didn't work
05:12:00safetydanlooks like I need to adjust some of the stub functions
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05:14:50safetydannow it works
05:15:12safetydanSo stereo files are a bit of a problem?
05:15:19LloreanThey didn't work at all for me.
05:15:30LloreanSounded quite strange
05:16:24safetydanthat'll be my first thing to test then
05:16:45Lloreansafetydan: I've also put two other bugs in the tracker regarding Speex
05:17:58safetydanLlorean, those may be beyond my ability to fix. At the moment I'm just hoping the latest speex source will fix most things
05:18:24Lloreansafetydan: I just meant that if you're watching for things, you may want to be aware of those two as well
05:18:27safetydanwoo boy... ultra-wide band does not work at all
05:18:46LloreanStereo or mono?
05:18:54jhMikeSsafetydan: It sends bytes to the pcm buffer, it should send samples/channel now. Maybe you changed that already in pcmbuf_insert? Set ch2 to NULL as well, it is ignored for interleaved audio.
05:19:38safetydanjhMikeS, I think I've correctly changed the buffer insert call now
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05:20:21jhMikeSah, ok...then just call me a bonehead for talking about it so much lately :)
05:20:46safetydannow worries, I saw you mention it in the logs and remembered to fix it :)
05:20:51safetydanno worries even
05:24:49safetydanokay, now UWB files in stereo work
05:24:53safetydansort of
05:24:59LloreanSort of?
05:26:24safetydanactually they seem to work fine
05:26:30safetydanspeex just doesn't work well on music
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05:28:35safetydanLlorean, if you want to try
05:29:58Lloreansafetydan: In about 11 minutes I can test that
05:30:13safetydanThough I just realised I've disabled the arm optimisations
05:30:27LloreanI'll be testing on gigabeat, it may still be realtime. ;)
05:31:54safetydanThat 300 MHz beast is going to be the death of optimisation in Rockbox :)
05:34:00LloreanEspecially since it seems to have better battery life at 300mhz than at 100...
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05:39:34*safetydan goes looking for a paper clip
05:41:46LloreanFroze your H100?
05:41:49safetydanpretty much
05:41:55safetydansits there and spins the HDD
05:42:07safetydanthis is going to be fun to figure out
05:42:47LloreanDoes that mean I shouldn't be trying this patch just yet?
05:42:57safetydanDoes the GigaBeat have a reset pin?
05:43:04LloreanIt has a battery switch
05:43:10LloreanEssentially the same thing
05:43:17safetydanCaveat Emptor :)
05:43:21safetydanbut probably not at the moment
05:44:02LloreanI'll wait until the non-crash version comes out, that way any strange behaviour I find will be post 'fix'
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05:51:59safetydanDammit, this is annoying. It works flawlessly in the sim.
05:52:20LloreanThat's... unusual.
05:52:30LloreanIsn't the sim usually where the strange audio problems crop up?
05:52:55safetydanusually, but not this time
05:53:54safetydanwell time for a ccache clean and a really clean build
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06:09:38safetydanwell that didn't fix it
06:09:46*safetydan goes hunting for the LCD remote
06:10:16LloreanAh, debug output.
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06:23:57imforpbjokay I want to get an old school ipod mini
06:24:21imforpbjis the build for it stable enough to actually use from day to day?
06:25:02LloreanI don't know how battery life is, but other than that it should be yes.
06:25:39imforpbjdoes battery life take a serios hit for the archos models?
06:26:01LloreanNo, the Archos models actually have improved battery life with Rockbox
06:26:26LloreanBut the Portalplayer targets (including iPods) suffer at the moment because there are many aspects of the chip we don't know anything about yet.
06:26:27imforpbjhaha darn
06:27:46imforpbjthe model Archos I want is rather difficult to come across
06:27:51imforpbjeven on ebay
06:27:56LloreanWhich one?
06:28:34imforpbjthe Archos Recorder v1
06:28:44imforpbjany size would do
06:28:59imforpbjI'm working with a 256meg thumb drive now
06:29:08LloreanNot a bad player at all, as long as you don't mind format restrictions.
06:29:57imforpbjlike what?
06:30:06imforpbjI thought I knew everything
06:30:28LloreanThe Archos models only support MP3 (and in the future some of them maybe WAV)
06:30:49LloreanWell, MP2/MP3 I guess.
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06:31:16LloreanThey decode using a piece of hardware, having very slow processors otherwise.
06:31:25imforpbjthe whole point for me is to get a cheap and pratical solution to use FLAC
06:31:34LloreanAll the other players decode in software on faster microprocessors.
06:31:43imforpbji see
06:32:02imforpbjthats why there isnt a build for 1st/2nd gen ipods
06:32:14imforpbjshitty processor for what you're doing
06:32:23LloreanNo, there's not a build for 1st/2nd gen iPods because nobody with one has worked on it.
06:33:04LloreanThe third generation iPod uses the exact same processor.
06:33:28imforpbjthen why would'nt the build be the same?
06:33:36imforpbjwhats diffrent?
06:33:39LloreanBecause there's a lot of other hardware that's different
06:33:56LloreanThe audio chip for one thing.
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06:34:54LloreanSince iPod Linux has already done a lot of the work, having a build for it probably wouldn't be *too* hard in the grand scale of things, but until someone actually *has* one of those players and does it, there won't be builds for it.
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06:35:49imforpbjI see ipod minis for around 90usd at buy it now prices
06:36:29LloreanWith Rockbox you can expect about halved battery life from what they normally get, I believe, though it may be slightly better on the Minis.
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06:37:22LloreanBut if an Archos Recorder is acceptable then you might wanna look at the Gigabeat.
06:37:41imforpbjjust the F-series right?
06:37:42LloreanSmaller than the Archos, runs Rockbox well, and the Gigabeat F series (which is the one supported, them and the X series) aren't too hard to find
06:38:29imforpbjonly 1 buy it now for 170
06:39:26imforpbjis there a size limit like with the ipods?
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06:40:02LloreanSize limit?
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06:40:52imforpbjwell the ipod 80GB wasnt supported
06:41:10LloreanThat's nothing to do with a size limit.
06:41:30LloreanThat has to do with it having a strange drive in it which required extra effort to support
06:42:36imforpbjlike how some stuff doesnt support SD cards larger than 2G beacuse of the file structure?
06:42:56LloreanTo an extent.
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06:47:15imforpbjthe lcd driver for the f series is a 50%
06:47:23imforpbjwhat does that mean?
06:47:32imforpbjhalf brightness>
06:48:27LloreanNo, it means that there's still work to be done on it.
06:48:44LloreanIn this case it works, but still has room for improvement.
06:49:06LloreanIt should probably be higher than 50% now though
06:49:12imforpbjthanks for your help
06:49:16LloreanI personally have several Rockbox players.
06:49:31LloreanThe Gigabeat one is definitely ready for everyday use, far more than I consider the iPod one.
06:49:32imforpbjwhats your favorite?
06:49:39LloreanMy favorite is the iRiver H120
06:49:45LloreanBut those are pretty hard to come by too
06:49:52imforpbjmy buddy has one
06:49:59imforpbjline in, FM
06:50:13imforpbjdual boot firmware on the h120, right?
06:50:20LloreanOn most of them.
06:50:26LloreanIt's not working on the Gigabeat yet though
06:50:39LloreanInstead it has a "restore" button, where if you hold it down while booting it restores the original firmware
06:51:11imforpbjbut erases the rockbox?
06:51:18LloreanIt just removes the bootloader
06:51:30LloreanYou can reinstall that very easily from a computer, and none of your Rockbox settings are lost.
06:51:39LloreanBut really there's no good reason to go back to the original firmware.
06:52:36imforpbjallright im goin to hit the sack
06:52:48imforpbjbut I'll be back soon when I'm ready for a purchase
06:52:51imforpbjthanks again
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07:01:45Lloreansafetydan: Was the freeze just random, or did it seemed like something triggered it by the way?
07:02:13safetydanLlorean, immediately on load of a Speex file
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07:03:58klaxiani'm trying to play a speex file on the latest build and it doesn't work
07:04:15klaxianis it really not expected to work yet? i know it's pretty beta
07:05:11Lloreanklaxian: It seems to have some problems right now, yes, though it'll work with some files
07:05:17klaxiani just get a series of short tones and then the player practically freezes but eventually i can get to another song
07:05:28klaxianLlorean: ok cool, glad im' not the only one
07:05:54klaxianLlorean: perhaps the VBR encoding is screwing it up
07:06:27LloreanIt's possible.
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07:08:09safetydanklaxian, simple mono files seem to work well enough
07:08:26safetydanmaybe I should just commit the stereo fix now
07:08:37klaxiansafetydan: ah, i see...yes i'm trying stereo files
07:08:52klaxiansafetydan: it's no big guys do a great job!
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07:10:26klaxiani have audio books on cd that seem like perfect speex candidates :)
07:10:33klaxianthe files get really small
07:11:52safetydanwell hopefully stereo decoding should work after the commit I just did
07:12:03klaxiansafetydan: oh, awesome!
07:12:28klaxianwhen will the next build be created? i will test it
07:12:57safetydanklaxian, "Build expected to complete around 06:20:30 (in 7mins 54secs)"
07:13:05safetydanthat'll be UTC time
07:13:17klaxianright...ok :)
07:13:45klaxianah, i see that on the site now
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07:18:00Lloreansafetydan: With your patch it still plays back too fast, by the way, so apparently updating to SVN Speex doesn't fix that. =/
07:18:24safetydanLlorean, you tried the patch I posted before and it worked? Odd.
07:18:30LloreanYeah, it works
07:18:44safetydanBut yeah, I think the elapsed time calculation isn't done correctly
07:18:52safetydanit's probably still per byte rather than per sample
07:18:53LloreanIt's not the elapsed time calculation
07:19:01LloreanIt actually plays back faster than the same file on my PC.
07:19:19LloreanIf I get them exactly in sync, within half a minute the Gigabeat is a word ahead.
07:19:33LloreanWell, a significant portion of a word, at least
07:19:42safetydanbah, still causes a lock up on my h120
07:20:19LloreanWell, I'm playing a 16khz Mono file.
07:21:25LloreanAnyway, the patch fixes neither of the problems I posted on the tracker, unfortunately
07:22:00klaxiani'm testing now...
07:22:03LloreanWhich I guess really just means they aren't speex problems, but 'speex as a rockbox codec' problems
07:23:02klaxianmy speex files don't play at all after the patch...not even weird tones
07:23:17klaxianthey also crash the player now :-P
07:24:04Lloreanklaxian: I assume you mean the most recent SVN build.
07:24:08klaxianLlorean: yes
07:24:24LloreanBe careful when saying 'patch' as it usually means an actual patch (which is what I was referring to)
07:24:33klaxianah, sorry
07:24:53klaxiananyway, i'd be happy to send you guys the files i'm trying if you want to test
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07:34:10safetydanklaxian, odd that they don't work for you
07:34:30klaxiansafetydan: would you like to test the files i'm trying?">
07:34:45klaxiani put them there
07:34:53safetydanklaxian, at the moment I'm just trying to get it working on my H120, but sample files are welcome
07:34:54klaxianthey are all the same track, but encoded differently
07:35:17klaxianthe lossless original is there in FLAC too
07:35:40klaxianthe numbers indicate quality settings
07:36:13klaxianlet me know if they work on your player
07:37:50safetydanklaxian, they don't work very well do they
07:37:54safetydannice buzzing noise
07:38:22klaxianit's a nice change of pace from music, but it gets annoying after a while :-P
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07:50:20safetydanaha, it would seem the problem is VBR files
07:51:34safetydanif you encode your speex files as cbr they should work
07:51:43safetydanno idea why vbr doesn't work
07:53:41safetydanah, looks like VBR playback hasn't been converted to fixed-point yet
07:54:07klaxianah, alrighty
07:54:27klaxianthanks for looking into it
07:54:41klaxianwe're waiting on the speex folks for that, right?
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07:56:21safetydanklaxian, probably
07:57:27klaxiansafetydan: ok, thanks for the info :) and let me know if there's anything more i can do to help
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09:09:44peturtoday's irc log doesn't display (anymore) in IE, it complains about an error on line 2 (document.Stylesheets.1.cssRules.0 is null or not an object)
09:10:09peturfirefox seems to work but never finishes loading here
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09:11:19peturand the page starts with −−Delimiter Content-type: text/html which surely isn't ok
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09:18:18hcspreglow: I tried doing noninterleaved 32-bit, but only got silence
09:18:23hcs16-bit seems to work
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09:22:40amiconnpetur: When did you last use the irc logs?
09:22:59amiconnZagor's new log viewer is supposed to do that (not the error in ie, but the "eternal" loading). It's updating live.
09:23:48amiconnYou can hit stop if you don't want it to.
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09:25:27Genre9mp3There's always the "view raw" link that leads you to the txt file itself
09:25:27amiconnHmm, I get a different error in IE.
09:26:11amiconnAt the top of the page, I get:
09:26:13amiconn−−Delimiter Content-type: text/html
09:26:22amiconn...which isn't there in firefox
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09:26:56amiconnThen it displays up to #rockbox log for 2007-02-10 and throws a javascript error
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09:28:17amiconnpetur: What IE version did you test on? IE6SP1 here.
09:29:10amiconnThe older logs work in IE, it's just the current one that doesn't
09:29:55peturamiconn: I mentioned the javascript error and the extra line
09:30:57amiconnAh. Somehow I didn't get that you meant a *javascript* error
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09:31:53amiconnThe older logs also throw a javascript error...
09:34:35*petur isn't quite awake yet
09:34:50peturdamn real life
09:35:39amiconnLooks like a dom problem
09:35:50*amiconn guesses that Zagor didn't test on IE
09:36:01peturjhMikeS: I'm all set for recording with your latest patch, did a one-hour test recording which went fine
09:37:00peturamiconn: the funny part about your 'Looks like a dom problem' is that dom means stupid (in Dutch) :)
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09:37:45amiconnhehe, but I'm sure you know what I meant :)
09:37:57peturyeah ;)
09:38:26amiconnDutch ist often not far from german
09:39:31peturright, gtg, real life is calling :/
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09:50:18hcshmm, it looks like setting bitdepth to 32 doesn't work, I have to use something like 24
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10:19:53safetydanDo coldfire targets have a problem with unaligned reads/writes?
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10:28:49decayedcelldoes Rockbox read from ID3v2 over ID3v1 or the other way round
10:29:26Genre9mp3decayedcell: there's a setting for that
10:29:30safetydandecayedcell, you can choose which one to read
10:29:41Genre9mp3I _think_ it's v2 over v1 by default
10:30:31decayedcellah alright. That would explain the Untagged entries I'm getting
10:30:59decayedcellwould it be possible add a feature to Rockbox to read from v1 if v2 is missing?
10:31:17pixelmaI think it does...
10:31:36Genre9mp3decayedcell: ISN'T THAT THE CASE ALREADY?
10:31:37decayedcellhmm well on my iPod it doesn't seem to be doing that
10:31:44Genre9mp3oops... sorry for caps
10:32:09decayedcellthe tags are definitely there, but rockbox still classes some of my songs as untagged =/
10:32:55GodEaterwhat are you using to double check the tags presence?
10:33:29pixelmadid you check what type of tags these are, some programs seem to add vorbis comments to mp3s instead of ID3 which doesn't work in rockbox
10:33:58decayedcellTag&Rename 3.3 checked against iTunes too
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10:35:47decayedcellah yes there is a V2 then V1 priority
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10:37:18pixelmato avoid confusion - vorbis comments work in rockbox in connection with ogg-vorbis files
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10:38:52decayedcellhow do I check the type of tag
10:39:48decayedcellif it appears in iTunes and Tag&Rename it must be ID3 right?
10:41:49Genre9mp3decayedcell: You can check with a tagger like Mp3Tag
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10:49:33linuxstbBagder: Can you make another ipodpatcher update?
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10:51:09linuxstbThankyou sir.
10:51:38linuxstbCan you delete macosx/ipodpatcher? It's now a .dmg file.
10:52:56*safetydan slaps speex around with a large trout
10:53:00safetydanthough it's probably my fault
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10:53:47hcsno comma at the end of the line for its entry in id3.c
10:53:51linuxstbI'ld like to move tools/ipodpatcher to rbutil/ipodpatcher (to help incorporation in rbutil). I tried "svn mv tools/ipodpatcher rbutil/ipodpatcher", but that didn't seem to work properly - it seemed to delete the files in tools/ipodpatcher, but not add them to rbutil/ipodpatcher.
10:54:46linuxstbamiconn: Can you build an amd64 binary for ipodpatcher with the bootloaders embedded? The Makefile contains instructions.
10:55:14safetydanhcs, fixed
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10:55:37hcssafetydan: thanks,before or after I noted that?
10:55:57safetydanbefore, but I wasn't going to commit it until I got this synched version of speex sorted
10:56:18safetydanbut now it's comitted so
10:56:28hcsok, just enough change to break the new spc patch compensating for speex...
10:56:38safetydanah, sorry about that
10:59:19safetydanWell if someone else feels like working out why this works on arm (well GigaBeat at least) and the simulator but not coldfire, that'd be grand
10:59:31safetydanLocks up hard on my H120
11:00:10safetydanhcs, hrm... I thought I checked that. arm isn't the same endianess as x86 is it?
11:00:21hcsthe arms we use are little endian
11:00:58safetydanhcs, I believe you may be a genius :)
11:01:28Bagderh120 is m68k which is big endian
11:01:39hcsjoin the hcs fan club today
11:01:54hcssingle-digit membership numbers still available!
11:02:09Genre9mp3where do I sign in that club?
11:02:39hcsjust send your membership fee to...
11:03:11Genre9mp3Will I get monthly spc compilations, too?
11:05:25*safetydan revokes membership
11:05:28safetydanthat wasn't it :(
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11:16:08JdGordonhey all
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11:23:36JdGordonis speex the text->speech engine or something else?
11:23:53merbananJdGordon: it's an audio codec
11:24:22JdGordonhmm... nuts...
11:24:29*JdGordon wonders why he thought it was text to speechh
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11:25:47amiconnlinuxstb: Built, and it seems to work.
11:26:22linuxstbThanks. (pings Bagder)
11:26:49amiconnWhy does ipodpatcher output the ipod type twice?
11:28:00linuxstbI guess that's the scan function displaying it, and then the main code. So just something I didn't fix...
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11:38:21JdGordonanyone have an idea what to call the current main menu in the root menu? "configure rockbox" ?
11:38:44JdGordonI dont want to use "manage settings" because it has a manage settings submenu under it...
11:38:51linuxstbWhy not just "Settings" ?
11:39:06JdGordonwent we going for verbs?
11:39:35JdGordonthats not a word is it? :p
11:39:39linuxstbOnly if you listen to me...
11:39:50bluebrotherso, what's left in the old main menu? Anything else than configuration?
11:39:59JdGordonwe have to decide
11:40:08JdGordonI think rockbox info might be best in the root also now
11:40:33JdGordonwhich would leave browse themes as the only non setting sub item
11:41:02linuxstbI think "Rockbox Info" would be better in the settings menu, even if it doesn't really belong there.
11:41:16linuxstbIt seems too rare an entry to deserve a place in the root menu.
11:41:16peturplease keep the number of entries limited. Otherwise we're scrolling around and another 10 seconds away from what we want to do with our dap
11:41:48JdGordonhopefully it will be under 1 screen on all targets except the player
11:42:25bluebrotherHmm. This still sounds like introducing a new menu screen. I don't thing having an additional screen is helpful
11:42:42linuxstbWhat do people think about "Now Playing" changing its title to something like "Resume Playback" when music is stopped?
11:43:00linuxstb(and is that easy in the new menu architecture?)
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11:43:57JdGordonwell the root menu doesnt use the new menu system... It probably could, but doesnt really need to (although, I just realised radio will always be there if radio COnFIG_TUNER is defined
11:44:08bluebrotherbtw, any news on the root screen itself? Can I set an arbitrary screen as root and not back up to somewhere else from there?
11:44:56linuxstbI don't think that's the idea - the root menu will always be the root, but you can configure an entry which is selected automatically on boot.
11:44:58JdGordonyou can set any of the screens as the first screen that loads when rb loads
11:45:42bluebrotheryes, but can I back out to the root menu with left from that screen? I could with the old patch, and if I set a browser view as root screen I don't think this is good
11:45:59JdGordonhmm, yeah, the root menu wont work very well with the new menu system, but changing its name could be done in a hacky way
11:46:05amiconnJdGordon: Hmm, that needs fixing then.
11:46:07linuxstbBut I think we should try and keep the shortcuts between screens - e.g. NAVI on iriver will take a user from the WPS to the file browser, and PLAY will take users back from the file browser to the WPS.
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11:46:14JdGordonamiconn: which?
11:46:17amiconnOn some targets, the radio might or might not be present
11:46:28JdGordonyeah, of course
11:46:29linuxstb(but via the root menu screen in a clean way).
11:46:39JdGordonbluebrother: yes, ill fix that
11:47:26bluebrotherstill, I think we should understand the root menu as a new main menu, and an option to set an arbitrary screen as startup screen
11:47:39bluebrotherand toggle the new root menu the same way we did for the old main menu
11:47:40JdGordonyes, thats bassically how it will work
11:48:08bluebrotherok, I'll wait for the next patch then. The discussion partly sounds a bit different
11:48:25bluebrotherbut if it's only me understanding it a bit different then there's no problem ;-)
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11:49:12*bluebrother wants to keep the overall feel of Rockbox he has now as that's quite good
11:49:16*JdGordon isnt exactly sure how to hide the fm screen "nicely"
11:49:51pixelmawhat linuxstb says is important IMO - I don't want to go from wps to file browser/ data base view via the root menu (i.e. additional navigating) to add new songs... though I have to admit that I didn't have a look how it works so far
11:51:11bluebrotherwith a flat hierarchy that could be quite consistent −− navi goes to browser (depending on the setting database of file view), play goes to wps, mode to the menu
11:51:13JdGordonI'm tihnking the rec button would be usefull to go files > db > wps > files
11:51:33bluebrotherremember not all targets having a rec button
11:51:53bluebrotherand the tapers would prefer using that button to go to the recording screen I assume
11:52:03JdGordonI know... but it would work well on the hxxxs
11:52:26bluebrotherIMO it should work well on all targets
11:52:42pixelmaI second that :)
11:53:56bluebrotherotherwise that would create an "xyz optimized" build in svn ...
11:54:35JdGordonok, please have a look at and figure out the language and order, ill code whatever is on that page... (also what the root of the main menu should look like when this is in)
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11:55:57decayedcellwell the three browsers should be together I think, that would be neater
11:56:24JdGordon3 browsers?
11:56:29JdGordonoh, plugins
11:56:44JdGordonno, plugins should be at the bottom, and db should be hideable..
11:56:47decayedcellwhy not just have Music
11:56:52decayedcellinstead of Database Browser
11:57:14pixelmahmm... I assume button mappings are the same for both H10s?
11:57:29decayedcelland instead of Browse Plugins, just Plugins?
11:57:37decayedcellKISS principle
11:58:12JdGordonbuttons are the other thing that needs to be figued out...
11:58:21pixelmadecayedcell: Database Browser and File Browser can both access your music...
11:58:46bluebrotherok, you could label it "Music" and "Filesystem"
11:58:46decayedcellyes but I think people would rather browse through ID3 tags rather that files pixelma
11:58:58bluebrotherdecayedcell, that heavily depends
11:58:58pixelmanot me
11:59:06*bluebrother prefers file system view
11:59:19decayedcellWould it be possible to customise the root menu view
11:59:28XavierGrhcs: what are your commit plans regarding the spc patch?
11:59:50pixelmaJdGordon: nothing to do with the root menu, I'm just looking at FS 6594
12:00:28JdGordondecayedcell: there is a possibility that there will be a "user menu" item in the root which will be able to shorcut to certain menus in the system... but dont tell anyone because we havnt discussed this :p
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12:01:25pixelmadecayedcell: file view works correctly even with untagged files (unless you are using ipods/H10 with their music managing software...)
12:01:28decayedcellI also think that games and plugins should be separated. The plugins list is getting rather lengthy in my opinion
12:02:00decayedcellyeah I know pixelma, was just my point of view :p. Perhaps a poll should be setup on the forums
12:03:23JdGordondecayedcell: yes plugins should be organised, but no one can be bothereed :p
12:03:32pixelmano... I think the neat thing about the root menu could be that you can easily switch between file browser/data base view...
12:03:59bluebrotherIMO the browse plugins view should support subfolders, so one could easily organize them
12:04:14LearDoesn't it already?
12:04:29bluebrotherno. Tried it a couple of days ago
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12:05:01LearIt uses the normal "file browse" code...
12:05:01decayedcellHmm does anyone here use the Recent Bookmarks function?
12:05:26bluebrotherI even looked into the code, but found it to be a needs-more-than-5-minutes (unless you are used to the code)
12:07:18decayedcellI think the root menu should resemble as much as possible (with a rockbox twist) the 'root menu's of the original firmware of the targets that rockbox supports. I believe it would make the switch from the original firmware to rockbox a bit less of a jump
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12:08:07JdGordonbluebrother: the plugins browser doesnt allow subdirs? wtf?
12:08:29JdGordondecayedcell: we are innotvating... not immitating
12:08:31bluebrotherit didn't show them the last time I tried. Let me check again.
12:09:35bluebrothernope. I created a subfolder in .rockbox/rocks and put a plugin there. The folder doesn't show up
12:09:54JdGordonhmm... ok, thats a bit odd
12:09:55LearCorrect. Must be some filtering, but I'm not sure exactly what yet...
12:09:57bluebrothersame for themes / wps browser (but for wps this makes sense)
12:10:31JdGordonas long as the "problem" isnt buried in filetree.c it shouldnt be too hard to fix
12:11:02bluebrotherI think I gave up in tree.c because of time
12:11:20decayedcellJdGordon I did say rockbox twist... the current implementation of such a menu is pretty good by the DAP manufacturers... all you need to do is take it and make it better
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12:12:08LearIt's in filetree, if the dir filter is set to any of the "special" files, it will only show such entries.
12:12:26LearDirectories aren't such entries, so...
12:12:47bluebrotherhmm. Adding the extension to the directory name?
12:13:25LearNope, still a directory. The attribute must match exactly.
12:13:43LearWould be fairly easy to fix for selected dir filters though.
12:13:47pixelmadecayedcell: how should that work? Rockbox works on a lot of targets with huge differences how the OFs work
12:13:55bluebrotherjust found that myself by trying ;-)
12:14:05Lear(But the if-statement responsible is hairy enough as it is... :) )
12:14:23bluebrotherso make it even more hairier ;-)
12:14:44LearThat reminds me, it can be simplified a little and cut a few bytes from the binary.
12:14:49decayedcellpixelma well on all players there must be some essential menu options. i.e. Library/Music, Now Playing. These are a must have
12:15:40decayedcellRockbox also has a File Browser, so we just add that option to the root menu as suggested already. There are plugins in Rockbox too, so we'll have plugins, instead of Extras such as in the iPod firmware
12:16:22decayedcellIt should function like the original firmware, but the titles should be simple, and consistent, and give the user access to most frequently used features of Rockbox
12:17:24*bluebrother doesn't think Rockbox should work like any OF but the Rockbox way instead
12:18:15bluebrotherLear, is that in ft_load()?
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12:18:37Lear"filter out non-visible files"
12:18:58decayedcellBut wouldn't that mean getting rid of the root menu completely? I'm pretty sure most OF have some kind of root menu. If it were to be completely original Rockbox, then you would keep the current system of switching modes (which is much like the iRiver firmware I believe)
12:21:04bluebrotherI like the way it currently works. IMO it would just need some restructuring of the main menu and adding an option to start in any arbitrary screen
12:21:19bluebrotherand set the default view to that reworked main menu
12:21:45amiconnbluebrother: Making the plugin browser support subdirs is rather simple
12:21:56amiconnAll the browsers use the same code, just the filter is different
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12:22:19bluebrotherI just noticed that ... last time I looked I hadn't much patience and time
12:22:31amiconnSo the plugin browser would have to show subdirs *and* plugins
12:23:58amiconnThere is a drawback when using subdirs for plugin categories though - they aren't localised
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12:24:32bluebrotherbut it's easy and less code
12:24:37decayedcelldon't you think its a bit cumbersome at the moment bluebrother? Say I'm playing a song in the WPS screen in Database mode, if I want to check out a picture I took on camp or something I'd have to hold down the Settings button, then change mode to Show Files, then get out of WPS, then find the picture
12:24:49LearBut plugins and their names aren't localized either...
12:25:23bluebrotherdecayedcell, sure. But that's simply the combination of the ideas: put a "Database view" and "Filesystem view" into the new main menu
12:25:36bluebrotherthat way you simply go to the main menu and select the other view
12:25:46bluebrotherwhich is basically the same as with a root menu
12:26:22bluebrotherLear, good point
12:26:29amiconnLear: True enough.
12:26:58bluebrotherwe could add localization support by a file name translator later
12:27:21bluebrotherok, I got it working
12:27:34amiconnSomething like windows' desktop.ini perhaps
12:27:46Slasherii had the idea that database view could support adding directory references to the view via tagnavi.config. For example "Browse files" could open the root dir in file view mode
12:28:03bluebrotherif you know where to search the change is quite easy ;-)
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12:28:07decayedcellbluebrother but the current Main Menu has a lot of unrelated misc items in the list, for example we have various settings, recording and info
12:28:13bluebrotheramiconn, yes, something like that was my idea
12:28:22XavierGrSlasheri: What exactly the hibernation feature means on a flashed H100 with dircache?
12:28:35bluebrotherdecayedcell, but that can get collected together in a settings submenu
12:29:12SlasheriXavierGr: dircache state is saved on disk and loaded at boot as early as possible. Then further file operations (especially open() in read only mode) are WAY faster than without dircache
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12:29:28SlasheriXavierGr: that speeds up loading wps images a lot for example
12:29:40wLLmmorning all
12:29:44bluebrotherso it gets settings / {sound,manage,general,playlist} settings, even the browse themes would fit there
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12:30:12XavierGrSlasheri: Nice, I am asking because there was a misunderstanding that dircache is flashed
12:30:33decayedcellbluebrother isn't that the beginnings of a root menu?
12:30:49decayedcellRoot [File Browser, Database Browser, Settings]
12:30:52Slasheriah, nothing is written to flash in rockbox by anything else than the iriver_flash -plugin
12:30:53bluebrothersure, but I don't want to see it as a "root" but rather than a main menu
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12:31:06amiconnbluebrother: In fact it could just be put into the .lng files.
12:31:20bluebrotherand not adding a setting "startup screen" but rather "root screen"
12:31:39amiconnThe data needs to be loaded into ram anyway, and doesn't need to contain those strings because the english names are the default
12:31:51decayedcellso what should the root screen look like then?
12:31:57bluebrotherand always return to that selected root screen. So one could set the file browser as root screen and will get exactly the same behaviour as we currently have it wouldn't increase binary size due to those strings
12:32:13bluebrotheramiconn, sounds good
12:33:12bluebrotherso basically it's just a different way understanding the screen which implies a slightly different handling
12:33:19bluebrotherin terms of user experience
12:34:48*safetydan apologises to hcs
12:35:08safetydanLooks like he was right about the endianess thing. I just didn't get a fully recompiled build on to my H120
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12:38:18decayedcellnight all
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12:39:39*JdGordon finds it very difficult to debug with stupid codec failures :p
12:41:14w1ll14mJdGordon: how is root menu going ?
12:41:34JdGordoni resynced it, but decided to start from scratch and use the new menu system
12:41:44w1ll14mahh ok
12:41:51w1ll14mcan i test the resync ?
12:42:35JdGordoni lost it already.... its very easy, just add char last_screen to the settings.h file and ignore the other error
12:42:47JdGordon... just make sure you add it in the correct place
12:43:03JdGordonsettings.h line 272
12:43:12w1ll14mlol... where would i add the last_screen?
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12:43:56w1ll14mgetting new svn :)
12:44:31safetydanBig speex commit comming.
12:44:49w1ll14mpatch it, create a new line last_screen and that should be the patch, or am i thinking wrong?
12:45:05w1ll14mpatch old rootmenu patch ;)
12:45:37rp-hm i can't build the latest sansa from svn with cygwin, anything i need to do? −−>
12:46:02JdGordonadd char last_line; to the line i said and your done
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12:46:14*JdGordon doesnt think the new menus ae suited to what we need here
12:46:45w1ll14mok thanx
12:47:56safetydanjhMikeS, don't think we'll be seeing Speex recording in Rockbox for a while. The encoder still uses floating point.
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12:49:29LearI've seen a fair amount of floating-to-fixed point conversions in Xiph SVN, but I haven't looked closely at where it was done...
12:50:19safetydanYeah there's an ongoing effort to add fixed point support.
12:50:22safetydanBut it's not complete yet.
12:52:49bluebrotherrp-, update your compiler to 4.0.3
12:52:59w1ll14mjdgordon, after #ifdef CONFIG_TUNER #endif
12:53:18bluebrotherit seems to trigger an error in gcc for 4.0.2
12:53:40pixelmarp-: these problems occured this week for everyone who uses gcc4.0.2 to compile for arm targets (see for example)
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12:55:07JdGordonw1ll14m: yes
12:55:28rp-pixelma: thank you
12:55:29w1ll14mok thanx :)
13:01:18w1ll14mjdgordon: seems to work fine, thanx :)
13:01:35w1ll14mseems to compile fine** ;)
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13:15:24w1ll14mok, nice work root menu
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13:20:36JdGordon:'( I cant get it jumping between items properly now
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13:21:45directhexhas it been resynced? i couldn't get it to apply last time i tried
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13:22:34JdGordonread the last 30min of logs... very easy to resync..
13:22:48w1ll14mindeed ;)
13:25:04JdGordonSlasheri: AA finally made it in?
13:25:12w1ll14mbut instead of add last_line; use add last_screen;
13:25:25SlasheriJdGordon: that's album artist, not album art ;)
13:25:35JdGordonoh phew :D
13:25:39Slasherihehe =)
13:25:47*JdGordon didnt read the ist :p
13:25:57Slasheribut i don't really see a reason why not to commit that AA too
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13:29:18directhexnew improved version 2 of my less-annoying-gigabeat-settings-reset patch:
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13:34:58JdGordonhow can it be a new improved version? they are mutually exclusive....
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13:36:53scorcheone would hope that all new versions are improved...
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13:37:34JdGordonif its new, there was noting to base it on, so how oculd it be imporved? if its imporved it implies there was a base, so its not new
13:38:54scorche"The new version of rockbox is commonly known as r12255"
13:39:31scorcheone could argue that one should use new*er*, but they can both be valid in context
13:42:04directhexooooooookay. good to know things are staying on topic this morning!
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13:45:55directhexand today's irc logs appear to stop at 09:11, so i can't read anything from before 12:05 that might relate to root menu resyncing
13:46:47obodirecthex: View raw
13:46:48JdGordonits very easy, just add char last_screen to the settings.h file and ignore the other error
13:46:48JdGordon(22:42:56) JdGordon: ... just make sure you add it in the correct place
13:46:48JdGordon(22:43:12) JdGordon: settings.h line 272
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13:49:47*linuxstb makes some changes to the RootMenu screen
13:49:56linuxstbs/screen/wiki page/ ;)
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13:52:34voltagex_hi, will I ever be able to use the second usb port on the H3x0?
13:53:02desowinhard to say
13:53:42desowinit's volounteer project, so no release times are estimated
13:55:15voltagex_I remember someone here talking about example code from Philips
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13:55:57voltagex_whoa big storm here
13:56:03voltagex_bigger than I thought
13:56:32JdGordonlinuxstb: I'm not sure I like playlist being in the root (in its current form anyway), If it had less settings and more usefull stuff then maybe
13:57:09JdGordon... actually remove the bottom 2 options and then i guess it would be good
13:57:26linuxstbBut options such as "Create Playlist", "View Playlist", "Playlist Catalog" aren't settings IMO.
13:57:48JdGordonI agree,,, no i got confused, the last 2 are settings and should be moved tho
13:57:54linuxstbYes, I agree.
13:57:57desowinanyone here could reproduce bug with charger, 1. shutdown player 2.connect shutted down player to wall charger 3.boot rockbox 4.when rockbox boots it'll reboot into disk mode instead of just charging ?
13:58:12rp-is there some wiki page that describes how the battery monitoring works?
13:58:27JdGordonlinuxstb: and maybe rename playlist cataloge to browser like the plugin and themes ?
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13:59:19linuxstbI'm not sure I like the word Browser everywhere - it looks ugly.
13:59:49w1ll14mjdgordon: how do you browse music while playing a song... i can't select browse database or browse filesystem
14:00:16JdGordonw1ll14m: the button that used to take you to the tree browser
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14:01:08w1ll14mdoes not give a action
14:01:10w1ll14mlet me reboot
14:01:20JdGordonlinuxstb: would it be horrible if now playing couldnt be renamed?
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14:01:55linuxstbNo. But what about two menu options, with only one ever being displayed at a time?
14:02:30linuxstb(giving the illusion of renaming)
14:02:49w1ll14mjdgordon: select button (from wps) won't give me a selection
14:03:22JdGordonlinuxstb: well thats what might have to happen, but could make tings ugly...
14:03:33JdGordonw1ll14m: which target?
14:03:42w1ll14mipod 5g
14:03:51directhexroot menu needs to have the "database" option removed from the "show files" section of "general settings/file view"
14:04:06JdGordonthe select button doesnt drop you in the tree browser?
14:04:10w1ll14mnot anymore :)
14:04:18w1ll14mit used to :)
14:04:21JdGordonodd :p
14:04:25JdGordonit _shuold_
14:04:35w1ll14mindeed, i understand it should :)
14:04:40w1ll14mlet me try some tuff....
14:04:47w1ll14m'll get back to you :)
14:05:12w1ll14mholding select will get me into playlist and soundsettings menu
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14:07:15LearHm... Speex won't build in the sim for me...
14:08:07LearActually, vorbis doesn't build due to speex, it seems.
14:08:15w1ll14mjdgordon, after changing a few settings it still won't get me to browse
14:09:03JdGordonok thats a bit odd.... leave it then :p im figuring out the best way to code the whole thing, so im not too worried about bugs in that one
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14:10:08w1ll14mjdgordon, ok i understand :) i will remove the patch is it's making it more difficould to select music from rockbox :)
14:10:14w1ll14mbut it's a very nice start!!
14:10:24w1ll14mi like it so far
14:11:18linuxstbJdGordon: From what I remember of these parts of Rockbox (but I could be wrong), I think you'll probably need to do some radical changes in the code - to flatten things, and to introduce an exit code from screens, to allow quick-movement between screens. i.e. the wps screen should have exit codes such as "exit, exit to file browser, exit to settings menu" etc.
14:12:30linuxstbAnd as I suggested in the wiki page, I think that on ipods, MENU should be used as a consistent button to exit a screen back to the root menu, not bring up a menu.
14:12:44JdGordonthats the easy part, the problem im having is making the new menu ode cooperate with what I want to do
14:13:37w1ll14mjdgordon, what is it you want to exactly with root menu ?
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14:15:15JdGordonI want to do what we all want, but wit as little code as possible, I'm almost there, but not quite
14:16:31w1ll14mok nice :)
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14:17:09markunJdGordon: with as little changes to the code as possible or ending up with as little code as possible?
14:17:15w1ll14mgetting new svn again :) couldn't undo the patch
14:17:29LearOdd. Only the sim needed a re-run of configure.
14:17:43JdGordonmarkun: both
14:17:59markunJdGordon: I would prefer only the second one
14:18:04linuxstbI don't think little changes to the existing code is necessarily a good aim...
14:18:14markunlinuxstb: no, me neither
14:18:26*JdGordon is talking about the actual menu part, not the code flattening part
14:19:39linuxstbmarkun: I've started to add what I think should be the button mappings for ipods to the RootMenu wiki page - maybe you could do something similar for the Gigabeat.
14:19:51linuxstbJdGordon: I'm assuming that's helpful?
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14:20:28JdGordonlinuxstb: its not unhelpful :p
14:21:25directhexmarkun, spot any fatal errors in my A-to-reset-on-gigabeat patch? i'm just building it for test on the actual hardware.
14:21:25markunlinuxstb: I want to redo the Gigabeat buttons anyway (mostly swapping A and POWER) but I hope it's not too late and people are now used to it..
14:21:55linuxstbmarkun: I think the root menu is a good chance to at least slightly change some mapping...
14:22:23*w1ll14m agrees with linuxstb
14:22:41markundirecthex: I would prefer BUTTON_A | BUTTON_MENU or something like that
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14:23:10markunjust to make it less likely to trigger a reset
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14:23:36markundirecthex: but this looks good too
14:23:39linuxstbdirecthex: This would be simpler:
14:23:40markundon't see any problems with it
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14:23:52directhexmarkun, the power & a buttons are already at opposite ends of the player, so i didn't think there was much risk of pressing both at once accidentally
14:24:46directhexlinuxstb, agreed, but i've based it on the existing else/if & indent format used elsewhere in the file
14:24:46markundirecthex: but you don't use POWER..
14:25:04linuxstbdirecthex: Don't assume other places are right :)
14:25:22directhexmarkun, good point. i keep forgetting when the reset is triggered
14:25:51directhexmarkun, that's why the reset keeps happening - in years of karma ownership i'm used to holding the power switch to turn on, then enabling hold as soon as it starts booting
14:25:51markundirecthex: what do you mean?
14:26:26markunyes, I agree it shouldn't be HOLD
14:27:12directhexmarkun, okay, you're right that menu and a makes sense. this is what happens when you write patches at 2am
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14:28:49markundirecthex: yes, imagine what happens when you commit things late at night when you are about to go to sleep..
14:29:01markunred all over the place :)
14:29:30JdGordonyeah, we should ban commits after 1am in the commiters timezone :p
14:29:38LearAnyone building the simulator on OSX here?
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14:30:51markunJdGordon: but it's so tempting to commit things when you've worked on something all night and (you think) it finally works :)
14:31:07JdGordonhehe, I know :)
14:33:40*JdGordon wonders how much code should be added for a special case which will probably happen once
14:33:58JdGordonall because linuxstb has a menu item renaming fetish :D
14:34:49linuxstbJdGordon: If it's a problem, then forget it. Maybe you'll have an idea about how to easily implement it at a later date.
14:35:30directhexmarkun, is " #define SETTINGS_RESET (BUTTON_A | BUTTON_MENU)" correct then?
14:38:00markunat least I think it should work. Just try it.
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14:40:19markunlinuxstb: Simon Menzel has pressed edit in the root menu wiki 36 minutes ago. Safe to edit anyway, don't you think?
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14:42:20JdGordonwho is Simon Menzel?
14:42:28linuxstbmarkun: I guess so, I don't know how the wiki locking works...
14:42:35*linuxstb was thinking the same question
14:42:58JdGordonnot on irc nicks :(
14:43:11JdGordonw1ll14m: its not you is it?
14:43:53markunit's solved
14:44:01markunhe has saved his changes
14:44:18scorcheJdGordon: google says rincewind
14:44:53*JdGordon wants to get in when markun is done :p
14:45:07markunlinuxstb: I think the buttons should be the same on the Gigabeat as on the iPod, but I also don't know what the other buttons should do..
14:45:12markunJdGordon: do it now
14:45:13markunI'll leave soon
14:45:19markunDo I still have it open?
14:45:35JdGordontake your time
14:46:02linuxstbmarkun: I think it's OK to leave buttons unused, at least initially.
14:46:06oboJdGordon: can you help me with a ata_idle_notify problem?
14:46:13scorcheif you have clicked edit and have not clicked save, it is locked to you
14:46:31JdGordonthe wiki can merge changes so maybe its ok
14:46:35linuxstbi.e. get the core functionality and mappings done first, and then see what we can sensibly squeeze onto the remaining buttons afterwards.
14:47:18scorcheJdGordon: well, worst case, you have to re-do it...not like it will crash ;)
14:47:55oboJdGordon: - from what I can tell it never calls the function I register
14:48:21directhexmarkun, "hold menu while booting for rescue mode"
14:48:27directhexmarkun, but if one times it better, it works
14:49:50JdGordonobo: you need to either regregister it every time its called, or only register it when you have somethng to write.. callbacks are calls once then dumped
14:50:04JdGordonI think thats what your trying to do, but I may be wrong
14:50:23oboJdGordon: that sounds about right - thanks
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14:50:45fir3the bootloader is able to dualboot into original/rockbox firmware right?
14:50:59JdGordonobo: also, remember the callback is done from the ata thread... so keep the variables safe and the funciton smallish
14:51:00directhexfir3, on which hardware?
14:51:10l33chhi all
14:51:11fir3ipod 30gb
14:51:30oboJdGordon: the function is flush_cache in apps/scrobbler.c - it's basically just open, fdprintf and close
14:51:31linuxstbvideo ipod?
14:51:37markunlinuxstb: there was a merge between our changes when I saved. Can you inspect if your stuff is still there?
14:51:52obooops, write_cache
14:51:54markunJdGordon: nice that there is a merge feature. So you can probably just edit anyway.
14:52:01fir3it's able to play videos so i guess it's one ;)
14:52:05linuxstbmarkun: Yes - I just amended one line in the ipod button mappings. I guessed you wouldn't be modifying that part.
14:52:30markunlinuxstb: I changed your suggestions to use bullets
14:52:33linuxstbfir3; Then yes, you turn on the hold switch when your ipod is booting to start the Apple firmware.
14:52:42fir3ok tnx
14:52:54linuxstbmarkun: It's still OK - I added text to the question at the end.
14:53:10directhex"commiting database [8/7]" \o/
14:53:21*bluebrother thinks he should add something about how the root menu should be understood
14:53:24desowinfir3: or if you don't have anything against, ipodlinux bootloader has an menu like grub one
14:54:46linuxstbfir3: If you haven't yet installed Rockbox, use this page instead of the manual -
14:54:47l33chCan anybody tell me if this are full ... coz when i'm compiling under vmware files like external_menu.h and files from menus\ are missing :(
14:54:49linuxstb(it's much easier)
14:54:56fir3rockbox works :)
14:55:08JdGordonl33ch: my bad... ill fix that asap
14:55:26l33chJdGordon: thank you
14:55:40fir3desowin: i don't, but my brother possibly has ;)
14:56:41l33chJdGordon: please let us know then :)
14:57:04JdGordonl33ch: done... just wait 5min or so for he .bz2 to be built
14:57:26l33chwow you are fast as hell :)
14:57:40fir3linuxstb: i just installed it
14:58:11JdGordontiny fix, just forgot to add a tiny thing to 1 file
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14:58:55fir3how can i exit rockpaint plugin?
14:59:12l33chanyway Rockbox project is something what i dreamed of in 2 years ago
14:59:13fir3ah got it :)
14:59:30l33chthank you guys
14:59:33markunJdGordon: will the title be moved to the status bar?
15:00:18markunor centered maybe. I don't really like the way it's displayed now (first item, the rest indented)
15:00:32fir3i didn't know about rockbox so i got a crappy zen micro :/
15:00:40JdGordonmarkun: there isnt really enough room in the statusbar on most targets... centered is possible
15:00:52JdGordonI want to put icons in the menus
15:00:58directhexi like it where it is, actually
15:01:04directhexJdGordon, YES! please do!
15:01:16*JdGordon cant draw to save himself :p
15:01:30markunI'm sure the WPS creators would love to make icon packs
15:01:32directhexJdGordon, make the icons read from themes!
15:01:40JdGordonno can do
15:02:48directhexaw :(
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15:07:00JdGordonWhats the hack-tolerance level in the code?
15:07:18JdGordonI have a pretty ugly one I'm seriously thining of doing :p
15:07:41linuxstbGeneral Rockbox hack-tolerance is zero :)
15:07:50linuxstbThat's why we have so many patches...
15:08:14JdGordonhmm, maybe it can be done in a slightly less ugly manor
15:09:24scorchei doubt the type of dwelling you are coding in matters much
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15:11:11fir3how can i see when the database finished initializing?
15:11:14*JdGordon is a drongo
15:11:47*scorche looks up the definition of "drongo"
15:12:34*fir3 too
15:12:38scorcheaussie slang for "total loser or idiot"...gotcha
15:13:09JdGordonIm sure ive used that in here a few times already... you should know that one :D
15:13:19JdGordonI hardly have to hack te current code at all :p
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15:15:37fir3the ipod should turn on by pressing and holding the play/pause button right?
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15:18:08fir3the ipod doesn't turn on anymore
15:18:43Winchesterdone everything.... reset it? try charging, etc?
15:19:17fir3how can i reset it? i tried connecting it to the computer - no sign of life
15:19:26Winchesternot even disk mode?
15:19:57fir3it doesn't turn on
15:20:12fir3no way to mount it :/
15:20:24Winchestertried holding the reset button combo on the ipod?
15:20:38Winchesterand how old is the ipod?
15:20:58fir3brand new :)
15:21:49Winchesterwell.... hold menu and middle button for a while (make sure hold is off)..... that might just do something.... but probably won't
15:22:18fir3resetting worked tnx
15:22:36Winchesteroh O_o wasn't expecting it
15:22:41Winchesterno problem =)
15:23:53fir3how come it refused to turn on? is that a common problem?
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15:24:10Winchesterwell... like a normal computer... ipods can lock up
15:24:58fir3my computer didn't lock up the second time i turned it on :)
15:25:23Winchesterwell you're not running windows are you?
15:25:39fir3nope :)
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15:25:50Winchestercan anyone please tell me why cygwin would not run configure properly.... saying command not found on blank lines etc?... when i compiled it fine a few minutes ago... then checked out using tortoiseSVN?
15:26:00Winchesterwell there's your answer
15:27:21Winchester123 people.... all either sleeping or think I am a moron =(
15:27:25peturrun cygwin setup and set it to use cr+lf line-endings
15:27:30Winchesterah 'course
15:27:41Winchestermissed that one
15:27:42petursvn translates, cvs doesn't
15:27:59Winchesteryeah thanks a lot
15:28:13WinchesterI just skipped that step after installing tortoise
15:28:19Winchesterwithout noticing
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15:30:47Winchesterhmm... having trouble finding it.... what category would that be under?
15:31:36Winchesteroh wait.... I am being an idiot again... ignore that
15:31:55fir3can you recommend me some cool theme?
15:32:16Winchesterwell.... I couldn't.... I have an ipod mini.... which has no cool themes
15:32:53fir3what ipod is "recommended" for use with rockbox btw?
15:33:42Winchesterwhich one do you have?
15:33:49fir3ipod video
15:33:55directhexfir3, none of them per se - because the ipod's chip (portalplayer) is poorly documented, battery life is poor compared to some other players
15:33:59Winchesterthat's what I would get if I was to get a new one
15:34:21Winchestermainly 'cause if you add ipodlinux you can have a NES emulator and all that stuff
15:34:29fir3what players are better?
15:35:01directhexi was recommended a toshiba gigabeat f-series
15:35:09fir3is ipodlinux better/worse for music/videos than rockbox?
15:35:17Winchesterfor music.... much worse
15:35:52WinchesterI normally have rockbox on.... might reboot into ipodlinux to play some gameboy games or something
15:36:12Winchesterbut... rockbox has iboy which works on ipod video I belive
15:36:53fir3gameboy i should get a new player :)
15:37:06Winchesteripod video should run those fine
15:37:16fir3that ipod video is not mine :/
15:37:25Winchesterah I see
15:37:56JdGordonanyone think ill be allowed to commit a hack with this comment attached?
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15:41:18WinchesterI wouldn't know..... trying can't hurt... but wait for someone who actually knows what they're talking about responds >.>
15:41:40Winchester*to respond
15:48:15Winchester....guess they're busy doing stuff the stuff they know
15:48:47Domonokyhm which Task Type should i choose for a patch to rbutil in Flyspray ??
15:49:54Domonokyit seems there isnt a matching task type... so what should i choose.. *rolling a dice*
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15:53:40desowinfir3: ipodlinux is port of linux to iPod, rockbox is jukebox firmware
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15:55:40Winchesterhey.... now I get some error while running make... pretty much saying /apps/settings.o not recognized.
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15:56:05Winchesterand... invalid string offset...
15:56:17Winchesterall in settings.o
15:56:49GodEaterWinchester, I think I saw a forum post with a similar error recently
15:56:52GodEatergo have a hunt
15:57:02WinchesterThanks, GodEater.
15:57:35fir3for installing themes i have to overwrite the .rockbox folder with the .zip contents right?
15:57:45Winchesterno.... extract it into .rockbox
15:57:57GodEaterWinchester, same thing
15:57:57Winchesterwithout overwritting anything
15:58:07*jhMikeS reads the logs and finds out he has another day to live
15:58:14Winchesterwould've thought overwrite would.... overwrite the folders rather than add the files
15:58:21GodEaterthe theme .zip files usually contain a .zip file containing .rockbox and it's folder structure
15:58:22fir3ah ok i already wondered if there was a cleaner way :)
15:58:37GodEaterbut it doesn't overwrite any files
15:58:38GodEaterit just drops in new ones
15:58:59fir3yep, but it's complicated to delete themes then
15:59:00Winchesterok... windows seems to overwrite folders rather than copy stuff into them =(
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15:59:24Winchesterwhy delete em?
15:59:35GodEaterwe don't have a system of tarball themes
15:59:36Winchesteritsn't not like they eat up space or anything
15:59:45GodEateryou either like it or lump it :)
15:59:50fir3ugly/outdated... ;)
15:59:58Winchestertouche =/
16:00:28GodEaterperhaps someone will get interested enough to allow reading themes straight out of zips / tarballs at some point
16:00:33GodEaterbut currently that's not implemented
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16:00:51GodEaterafternoon Llorean
16:00:58fir3an own folder would be enough
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16:01:27GodEaterfir3: not really, themes are made up of lots of components
16:01:31GodEaterfor example fonts
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16:02:26fir3macosx has .dmg files containg a virtual dir structure...something like that
16:03:02GodEaterthat's the same concept I've just relayed, but with zip / tar files
16:03:32GodEatera lot of window managers for X do the same thing
16:03:43Winchesterhmm.... having no luck in the forums
16:04:26GodEaterWinchester: have you tried the vmware image instead ?
16:05:15Winchesterbut... vmware is all slow....
16:05:36GodEaterI think you'll find it much faster than cygwin
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16:05:50Winchesterplus I allready had cygwin all nice and set up
16:06:17GodEaterexcept it's not working =/
16:06:37Winchesterit was before I used tortoiseSVN
16:06:43GodEaterwell, it's your choice anyway - I'm just told by a lot of our users that they find the vmware image much faster
16:06:51linuxstbDomonoky: Nice to see your rbutil patch - I'll hopefully have a look at it later today.
16:07:13GodEaterlinuxstb: ooh - what's it do ?
16:07:50GodEateronce again I should look before asking.
16:08:11Domonokynice :-)
16:08:34LloreanWinchester: A) What forum are you talking about, I don't think I've seen a mention of cygwin problems relating to TortoiseSVN recently in ours.
16:08:48LloreanB) VMWare takes roughly half the time to compile of cygwin
16:09:13GodEaterLlorean: I told him to look in our forums for a problem I thought I recalled seeing to do with a settings.o problem
16:09:14LloreanC) TortoiseSVN requires that you have Cygwin set up to use DOS/Windows style line endings, most people have it set up for Unix style\
16:09:20GodEaterpossibly I imagined it :)
16:09:30LloreanGodEater: Ah, I thought he meant he'd posted.
16:09:44LloreanThe settings.o problem...
16:09:52LloreanWinchester: arm-elf-gcc −−version, what does it report?
16:09:53Domonokydoes fwpatcher (bootloaderpatcher for h1x0) work on Linux and Mac ? oder do they have to use mkboot and scramble ?
16:09:57GodEaterit's probably a TortoiseSVN option though as you postulate :)
16:10:16LloreanGodEater: No, it's a "Cygwin installer" option, but the settings.o thing is more likely an outdated gcc, I think.
16:10:38LloreanDomonoky: I believe they have to use mkboot and scramble.
16:10:49Winchestersettings.o: invalid string offset 768 >= 0 for section '.shstrab'
16:11:16Domonokyokey, so i should probably rebuild fwpatcher in rbutil.. :-)
16:11:25Winchesterwell... can't paste from cygwin.... plus I am sure it would be classified as flooding ... but that's the main error there that I get
16:11:35LloreanWinchester: I didn't ask for the error you get...
16:11:55Winchesterah hang on
16:12:04Winchesterlatest version... let me double check
16:12:11bluebrotherWinchester, use a pastebin for longer snippets
16:12:43LloreanWinchester: And is your cygwin set to use Unix style line endings?
16:12:54LloreanYou need to change that
16:12:57Winchesteroh wait
16:12:58bluebrotherDomonoky, fwpatcher is said to run with wine
16:13:03LloreanIf you're using it with TortoiseSVN it needs to be set to windows style
16:13:04Winchesterno it is set to the second... non default one
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16:13:22Winchesterthat's the one
16:13:50LloreanAnd you're trying to compile a freshly checked out, unpatched build?
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16:14:02Domonokyi just had a look at the fwpatcher source, its clearly a windows app, so it would be better to rebuild it.. :-)
16:14:03Winchesterfreshly checked out
16:14:07Everybody|awaywrong channel :p
16:14:22LloreanWinchester: Unpatched?
16:14:34Winchesterstraight out of SVN
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16:15:04LloreanOkay, you're going to need to paste the errors into a pastebin then. And you can paste from Cygwin. I don't remember how, but I've done it before.
16:15:34Winchesterok just a sec
16:15:42Winchester(and yeah I figured out how to paste from cygwin)
16:15:47voltagexis CUE support going to be committed to SVN? I've been using it from the patch for a while now and it seems stable.
16:15:49Domonokyright click on window title there ar c&p options
16:17:32Winchesteryup... I was trying to do it the command prompt way >.>
16:17:53Winchesterand pastebin... is taking a while to send
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16:19:15*JdGordon got the root screen working correctly again :)
16:19:31voltagexhang on, there's menu api changes going on.
16:19:37directhexyay for JdGordon
16:19:38voltagexis the daily build usable?
16:19:40fir3i extracted the wad files to .rockbox/doom/ but it still refuses to start
16:19:52JdGordonvoltagex: yes
16:20:19voltagexbiiiiig storms here so I need my MP3 player working for when I turn everything else off
16:20:21Winchesterwhat's your wad filename?
16:20:45Winchesterand do you have rockdoom.wad in there as well?
16:20:49fir3doomf.wad and rockdoom.wad
16:21:03Winchesterrename dommf.wad to doom.wad
16:21:17Winchesterbetter yet... doom1.wad
16:21:55fir3most of the themes are displayed incorrectly, is there a way to fix that?
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16:22:18Winchesterthe text?
16:22:28Winchesteris the text out of place?
16:22:46fir3oh the fonts, right?
16:22:56Domonokyinstall the fonts
16:23:03fir3i did :)
16:23:03Winchestercheck which font is meant to be used with the theme
16:23:26Winchesterand... are you activating the themes from the wps menu or the themes one?
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16:23:40fir3themes menu
16:24:00fir3activating from wps menu doesn't fix it :/
16:24:41Winchesteris there anything like patebin that's not pastebin?
16:24:47fir3doom works :)
16:24:56Winchesteroh no wait..... it seems to be loading now
16:26:08Winchesterok... 'seems'... but isn't..... so is there an alternative to pastebin? or .ca?
16:26:55Winchesterok... .ca is working much better
16:27:11fir3seems like there's some problem with doom
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16:27:38fir3data abort at 01f9cfe0
16:28:55Winchesterhmm.... never had that one.... using a supported wad?
16:29:13MikachuWinchester: that looks like it's not a crosscompiler
16:29:22voltagexfir3: I had that with a corrupted wad
16:29:28fir3Winchester: i got it from here:
16:29:43Winchesterarm-elf? not a cross-compiler? O_o
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16:30:07Mikachuuh, not the right crosscompiler
16:30:14fir3voltagex: where did you get a working .wad?
16:30:15Winchesterwhat do you mean by that?
16:30:27Mikachuit says shstrtab, maybe that has nothing to do with sh though
16:30:30voltagexfir3: look up FreeDoom
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16:31:05Winchestershould... I make clean and re-run configure or what?
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16:32:02MikachuWinchester: i'm probably way off :)
16:32:23Winchesterwhat would you suggest to double check though?
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16:34:42Winchesterah well... thanks Mikachu, for trying. =)
16:35:09Winchestercan someone please tell me what this error might mean?
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16:36:31fir3could it be that some themes include their own fonts corrupting others?
16:36:52Winchesterfar fetched
16:40:10Winchesterok, everyone hates me >.>
16:40:49fir3voltagex: ok i downloaded freedoom, it contains doom2.wad. now i have to rename it to doom1.wad and place it on the player, right?
16:41:08voltagexfir3: it should recognise doom2.wad
16:41:17Winchesterthe name doesn't matter that much... there are several names it recognizes
16:41:38fir3can i leave doom1.wad there or should i remove it?
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16:41:43voltagexWinchester: haven't had much experience with rockdoom
16:41:54voltagexfir3: if you leave it there you'll be able to choose
16:41:54Winchesterthe list of wad names is there on the rockbox doom page
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16:42:10Winchesteryeah "Select game" menu I think
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16:42:24Winchesteror something along those lines... the first one
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16:43:32Winchestershould I bother asking about my problem again.... or... nobody knew 10 minutes ago, nobody knows now and I should stfu and get the vmware image and stop complaining?
16:43:37fir3ok doom works, tnx :)
16:44:03voltagexWinchester: whats' the problem?
16:44:32Winchesterwhile running make
16:44:45Winchesterlinking problem with settings.o
16:45:15voltagexincorrect architecture?
16:45:22voltagexrun make clean and try again maybe
16:46:36Winchester yeah I'll try that.... trying to recompile settings.o by itself first
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16:48:34fir3is it possible to jump/access the menu in doom?
16:49:36Winchesterthe menu as in... the doom menu?
16:49:48Winchester(for that flick the hold switch)
16:50:26fir3err i mean the doom menu in doom
16:50:56Winchesteryou mean like the wad selection and all?
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16:54:57Winchesterok..... clean compile..... to see what happens
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16:55:12fir3ok i exited doom
16:55:39Winchester.... is that what you meant by menu?
16:55:54fir3hold switch worked
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16:57:48fir3any ideas how i can get the themes working correctly?
16:58:09Winchesterhow'd the font thing go?
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16:59:51fir3i'll try installing the fonts from the extras page
17:00:03Winchesteryou didn't do that?
17:00:25fir3i got it from another page iirc
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17:00:54SoapI'm going to throw this out there, even though jdgordon is gone. If the menu tree structure was read from a .XML file upon boot...people could organize the menus however they prefer - or stick with the stock layout.
17:01:16Winchester....that's... a really good idea.
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17:02:39WinchesterI was just looking at the feature request.... everyone wants all these little things which would add up and make the menu really messy with things a lot of people would never use
17:02:42fir3installing the fonts didn't help
17:03:02fir3some theme doesn't even display text :/
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17:03:59|Rincewind|Soap: if i remember correctly jdgordon was planning something like that already. It wasn't exactly xml, something with numbers to determine the menu level
17:04:06LloreanSoap: Wouldn't reading it from an XML add all kinds of complexity, as well as adding the potential for the menu to be completely broken or unpredictable by a bad XML file?
17:05:07|Rincewind|I don't think that adding a xml parser to rockbox is a good idea
17:05:17Winchesterthe concept is for the user to be able to have the menu organised as they want right? doesn't have to be xml.
17:05:30Winchesterjust something which doesn't sacrafice loading time
17:05:53LloreanAnything that loads an additional file from the HD will sacrifice loading time.
17:07:11barrywasn't there talk of loading the menu structure at compile time? I think that would be a better option
17:07:14Winchesteryeah that was the first thing that jumped to mind, but as Soap said... the option to keep the stock layout there would be there
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17:09:07pxeproany new version up soon ? :)
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17:10:06LloreanWhat exactly does customizable menus really add, though?
17:10:11Lloreanpxepro: What exactly do you mean?
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17:11:10LloreanThere are builds made every time someone commits a change, often multiple times a day.
17:11:26bluebrotherI'm fine with a customizable submenu for shortcuts, but I really don't like the standard menus being customizable
17:11:39bluebrotheras that will be hell to support (or even describe in the manual)
17:11:58Lloreanbluebrother: Like the option to replace the quick menu with a custom menu loaded from a file?
17:12:22bluebrotherfor example. JdGordon thought of a customizable user menu iirc
17:12:29|Rincewind|a customizable shortcut menu would be great, as I said in the wiki (RootMenu), this could even replace the quick menu
17:12:47bluebrotherwhich would be ok for me −− but please don't make the menus itself customizable
17:13:16*bluebrother prefers the quick menu the way it currently is
17:13:20pxeprosorry i meany final builds
17:13:38Lloreanpxepro: Those would be announced on the front page, anyway. It's been over a year since a version-numbered build.
17:14:01*|Rincewind| doesn't need shuffle and repeat ver often
17:14:02bluebrotherevery build gets a new number −− the svn revision number ;-)
17:14:06Winchesterpretty sure they make it a final build when it feels right... without much planning there
17:14:20Lloreanbluebrother: That's why I said "version-numbered"
17:14:36bluebrotherthat's why I added an ;-)
17:15:15pxeproi think about buying a sansa e200 :)
17:15:33Soapbluebrother, Llorean, I think bluebrother hit the nail on the head. Adding the ability to create and load custom shortcuts would solve most people's needs/wants.
17:15:44Soapand .xml was generic for
17:15:53Soap"user created file'
17:16:12pxeprojust a great announcement
17:16:16Soap(aarrgghh, the Enter key is too close to the " key when I haven't had my coffee.
17:16:16LloreanSoap: XML has a lot of extraneous requirements that are going to add a lot of bad taste to the idea that can be much simpler than that.
17:16:23|Rincewind|for a short cut menu there really is no need for xml, because this menu wouldn't be nested
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17:16:37Winchesterbut come on... the menu as is is kind of cluttered and majority of the features aren't used by an average user.... being able to customize it without modifying the source would be nice
17:16:43Mikachujust a flat text file with some names on lines would be enough
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17:17:21bluebrotheruse something like the tagnavi syntax.
17:18:48bluebrotherdid iriver release a H10 with 1GB?
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17:20:24theoneanybody know of any _decent_ ipod batteries (and vendors?)
17:20:26Winchesterah darn.... I still get the error in make during LD rockbox.elf with settings.o
17:20:30SoapThe advantage I saw to Menu-Tree in a Text-File was that it would allow the whole of the Rockbox community to get involved in alternate menu structures - and perhaps a "better" (notice the quotes) default layout would rise out of the primordial ooze.
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17:21:41LloreanSoap: I suspect most custom menus are simply going to leave out the options they don't intend to use.
17:22:08LloreanWhy not simply ask users for suggestions on the menu reorganization?
17:22:16Soapthen that would be their call - They wouldn't win the "better" award with an attitude like that.
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17:22:46SoapSuggestions is one thing - being able to share a completed vision is much more compelling.
17:23:12LloreanI'm just not sure that's cause to make the whole menu system needlessly customizable.
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17:23:34bluebrothermost users will only see the stuff they need, causing more confusing than helping in that case imo.
17:23:50Soapthat is a valid point bluebrother.
17:24:18bluebrotherI think the best solution would be a fixed menu layout and one customizable shortcut menu
17:24:49bluebrotherwhich could even get set as default screen (by the user of course)
17:25:00bluebrothereverything else is headache or non-KISS
17:25:04SoapLlorean: "needlessly customizable" - isn't it a sin to believe in such a thing? "Needlessly complex" is one thing - "needlessly bloated code" another - but since when is "needlessly customizable" a bad thing?
17:25:33LloreanSoap: All it means is "it doesn't need to be customizable", that's kinda what the word "needlessly" means.
17:25:49LloreanCan you argue that it _needs_ to be, rather than simply would be nice to be?
17:26:15Winchesterok..... actually I think I just switched over...... the xml idea is nice.... but a shortcut menu is sufficient
17:26:19SoapI'm just saying that "need" should never be a measure of worthiness when it comes to customizing.
17:26:45LloreanWhat about suggests that I'm using it as a measure of worthiness.
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17:28:50LloreanI just meant it in the context that 'I don't see a compelling reason to add it yet'
17:28:57LloreanThere's no 'need' yet from my perspective.
17:31:38barrybluebrother: there's a H10 Junior which I think is 1GB. It's completely different hardware than the other H10s though
17:32:13LloreanIt's flash based.
17:32:51Winchesterok.... I will get over my problem and bug whoever is on tomorrow >.>
17:32:52barryand doesn't have a portalplayer chip in it
17:33:01Winchesteror..... stop being picky and get the vmware image
17:33:09LloreanWinchester: Why don't you use VMWare?
17:33:25Winchesterall that cygwin going to waste
17:33:35Winchesterwhat does the image use?
17:33:50Llorean"all that cygwin going to waste"?
17:34:01LloreanThe VMWare image is debian linux.
17:34:27Winchesteras in..... setting it up and all.... seems like tit took a while.... even though it was just a few steps >.>
17:34:32Winchester*it >_<
17:35:27Winchesterok thanks Llorean I'll just do that.
17:35:37Winchestersure it compiles faster?
17:36:17LloreanI've tested it personally.
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17:36:31Indrohi all
17:36:32LloreanIt did for me.
17:37:07IndroI have
17:37:10Winchesterand.... is fstab all nice and configured?
17:37:21Indrobut there is no rockbox.ipod inside, wheres this file?
17:37:26Soapan abacus compiles faster that cygwin.
17:37:40Winchesterwhat's abacus?
17:38:09LloreanA very old analog predecessor to the calculator.
17:38:17Winchesterah lol
17:38:19IndroThe you have downloaded contains the Rockbox firmware itself (a file called rockbox.ipod)
17:38:21LloreanIndro: Use the latest builds, the dailies are broken.
17:38:28markunnot really analog I would say
17:38:40IndroLlorean: ah okay, thanks for info :)
17:38:52Lloreanmarkun: I suppose, there's no electrical at all
17:38:56Winchesterah the thing with the sliding round things?
17:39:11LloreanIndro: Where were you told to use an archived build instead of the latest?
17:39:36IndroLlorean: iirc, I tried the latest first.
17:39:44Indrobut will recheck now.
17:39:57SoapWinchester: yes
17:39:59LloreanIndro: Yes, but where did you find a link to the daily build page?
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17:40:47LloreanIndro: Which iPod do you have?
17:41:06Indro5g, 60gb
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17:41:35LloreanIndro: Why did you ignore the warning at the top of the page?
17:41:46bluebrotherurgh. "Album Art support" on the MajorChanges wiki page
17:42:15bluebrotherhow good I can fix this :)
17:42:40SoapIIRC, the manual also links to the daily builds in exactly the same location of the instructions. How about changing to redirect to while the dailies are broken?
17:42:59IndroLlorean: uh, didnt read that. thanks for the hint.
17:43:01LloreanSoap: How 'bout fixing the manual to not link to the daily page at all?
17:43:22LloreanSoap: We did kinda remove the link in the menubar so people would use the most up to date builds.
17:43:25Soapis the daily builds page going to be down forever? I thought it was temporary.
17:43:31LloreanIt's not down.
17:43:35LloreanBut some of the builds are broken.
17:43:59LloreanSoap: You'll notice that the daily builds are now referred to as 'archived' builds, and don't have a link in the menubar
17:44:11markunbluebrother: I think I agree with you that it might be better to have a main menu which is not the root of everything.
17:44:36LloreanThere's no real reason someone should be using a daily, in the majority of cases. And asking someone if they have the 'most recent build' they'll often say yes if they've downloaded a daily, thinking that it is.
17:44:47LloreanDaily builds provide a lot of unneeded complication, that 'current' and 'archived' do not
17:45:15SoapI understand that - The reason I suggested the redirect was because I was under the impression that the broken behavior was unintentional, and would change eventually, and it would be easier to redirect one page on a temporay basis, than to change the wikis and manuals, only to change them back again at some point in the future.
17:46:25LloreanSoap: You're confusing two points
17:46:32LloreanThe BROKEN status is unintentional
17:46:34LloreanThe Current vs Archived status is not
17:46:52LloreanPeople should not be directed to 'archived' builds as a primary source for Rockbox
17:47:56LloreanWhy would we ever change them back to pointing directly to the Archived builds, when people shouldn't be getting them unless they _know_ they want an older build? In which case the link from the Current Builds page should be enough.
17:48:28LloreanMaybe I don't understand your point...
17:49:07bluebrotherhmm, the manual still refers the daily builds. I think I'll remove that
17:50:25IndroLlorean: Should the zip be here?
17:50:34bluebrotheror should we keep it? At least the link is correct
17:50:42LloreanIndro: Please read the line at the top of the page.
17:51:05Lloreanbluebrother: It should at least say "If you wish to use an older, archived build, they're available here" or something.
17:51:10LloreanIt needs to be clear that they're outdated builds.
17:51:36Indroah okay, there are building live, cool thing.
17:51:44bluebrotherI guess I'll just change the title from "Daily" to "Archived" as that is also the term used on the website
17:52:32SoapI was under the impression the only reason Daily builds were not recomended was because of their broken state. I changed the IpodInstallationBeta page to match your edit in IpodInstallation.
17:52:44LloreanSoap: No, we changed it long before they broke.
17:53:05Soapwell, aparently everywhere but all the instructions ;)
17:53:05LloreanThe problem is that people got the impression that 'daily' builds were the current one, or that 'svn' builds required compiling.
17:53:16LloreanHaving just 'Current' makes it clearer that those are the new ones.
17:53:48LloreanSoap: Well, the website came first, it honestly didn't even occur to me that the instructions linked to the daily pages. I wouldn't have made them do so, and I forgot to check. :)
17:54:08LloreanPeople using daily builds and complaining about a bug that's actually fixed in CVS-now-SVN have been a thorn in my side for a year now. :-P
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17:55:10SoapWhy does IpodInstallationBeta link to IpodPort for people with Minis and 4G greys instead of directly to IpodInstallation? Should I just change that?
17:56:45Soapand on a very similar note - IpodInstallationBeta and IpodInstallation have a circular logic thing going for users of those iPods. IIB says: "Minis and 4Gs go to II" then II says: "All users go to IIB"
17:57:34LloreanSoap: The "all users" one predates the "Go back!" one.
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18:01:18Indrothe is still no build on:
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18:01:52IndroI refreshed the page after 10 minutes.
18:03:00LloreanIndro: That page is not where the builds are.
18:03:08LloreanThe 'current build' page has the downloads
18:03:12Indrooh okay, where then?
18:03:16MikachuBelow the table are builds of Rockbox
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18:03:19Mikachuthe first sentence on the page
18:03:27LloreanIndro: I thought I already suggested that you read the text on the page.
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18:04:34Indroah okay, I thought I need to reload the page that I posted.
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18:06:03IndroIf builds are not currently showing, wait 5-10 minutes and then refresh _this_ page,
18:06:07Indrowould be better imho
18:07:33LloreanIndro: By the time you get to that sentence you already know that the builds are *below* the table though.
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18:08:06LloreanWhile "this page" might be slightly better, it really shouldn't be a confusing issue
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18:10:37SoapLlorean: now that I have changed all the pages to clarify the Mini/4G grey situation - I hate to the latest ipodpatcher fixing this whole issue?
18:11:23LloreanSoap: I don't believe it's been fixed yet.
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18:11:50LloreanThe latest iPodpatcher does have an even simpler install process though, but by the time the Mini / 4G Gray situation is fixed we probably won't be using iPodPatcher but rather RBUtil
18:12:24Soapwiki changed - oh well, if it saves one noobie question it is worthwhile.
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18:12:35IndroLlorean: okay.
18:13:38Indroits very cool how easy it is to install rockbox on ipod. :)
18:14:17fir3dito :)
18:14:48Domonokyjeah with rbUtil it will be even easier :-)
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18:20:26Winchesterhey.... is the uclinux arm-elf cross compiler different to the one used to compile rockbox?
18:21:11Winchester(sorry for the noobie question) >.>
18:23:37LloreanWinchester: What version is it?
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18:25:17Winchester"ARM cross-compiler Toolchain 3.4.3" ?
18:25:29LloreanWinchester: Then it's not the right version
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18:25:40Soap4.0.3 is what you need for Rockbox.
18:26:03Winchesterah.... I just checked the ipl wiki.... a lot of which is outdated
18:27:22LloreanWinchester: Being a community project, generally speaking the wiki stays as up to date as the people who notice it's outdated want it to.
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18:28:01WinchesterI was just wondering if I would need to make any changes to PATH or install anything new to be able to jump from compiling rockbox to making apps for ipl.
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18:28:40LloreanThere's at least a chance that 4.0.3 can create apps that'll work fine for iPL
18:28:54LloreanI think it's the kernel itself that has a strict GCC version requirement
18:29:06justjohnny68I just looked at the installation section of the on-line manual, and have some suggestions regarding the Current and Release sections and references to Fonts.
18:29:25Winchesterah ok thanks Llorean
18:29:50Winchesterah great.... the Debian vmw image is downloaded :D
18:29:53Lloreanjustjohnny68: Could you link to what exactly you're calling the 'online manual' as people use that term differently it seems.
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18:31:03HairyHippyHi all - what app do you use to load tunes onto ipods?
18:31:29justjohnny68Llorean: This page and then the links to the particular builds such as
18:31:57WinchesterHairyHippy:...the file manager?
18:32:28Lloreanjustjohnny68: Okay then, that's just 'the manual' or if necessary to differentiated it from the PDF manual, 'the html manual', as they're built from the same sources as the PDF.
18:32:36HairyHippythxs winchester - i'm new to rockbox, so always used to load then using itunes
18:32:48Lloreanjustjohnny68: What were your concerns relating to it?
18:32:50Winchesterah ok
18:33:11Winchesterjust.... copying the files is ok if you have the id database in order or the files arranged nicely
18:33:49TrueJournalsOr you can use a program like MediaMonkey... WMP works... iTunes will work with iTunesAgent (
18:33:52fir3after using rockbox for some hours i came to this conclusion: it rocks! :D
18:34:00Winchesterlol fir3
18:34:04Winchesterno doubt about it
18:34:07TrueJournalsTell us something we don't know ;-)
18:34:10justjohnny68Llorean: thanks will use those terms. As the Current build is the preferred firmware download, and most devices don't have a Release version, perhaps removing mention of a Release version from both the website and at least the manual pages of the devices which don't have a Release, would solve problems.
18:34:14HairyHippyexcellent thxs - I have all my files tagged the way i want and in folders by albumn, then artist, etc
18:34:49fir3crocodiles suck stones to stay under water
18:34:56Lloreanjustjohnny68: Removing it from the website would be somewhat silly: How would people who *do* have a release target get it? As for the manual, we honestly almost never have confusion over the release build.
18:35:13Lloreanjustjohnny68: It's the Current/Archived(Daily) issue that causes confusion.
18:35:19Winchesterthem crazy crocodiles
18:35:35Winchesterah..... Debian files corrupt >_<
18:36:26Lloreanjustjohnny68: But what about the fonts issue?
18:36:31fir3does rockbox use more battery than original firmware?
18:36:51Winchestermuch more
18:37:13Lloreanfir3: On what player?
18:37:21fir3ipod video
18:37:22justjohnny68Llorean: Yes, but you seem to stress the use of Current builds, even for devices with Releases. For me a Release build in general means a less buggy version, so when I first came to the site to download, it's a little off putting not to have a Release version.
18:37:29markunfir3: yes
18:37:30LloreanWinchester: It doesn't use more on all players.
18:37:42WinchesterI know.... I just knew fir3 had an ipod video
18:37:45Lloreanjustjohnny68: The release version is over a year old.
18:38:01markunfir3: buy a Gigabeat and you will be fine ;)
18:38:21LloreanWinchester: Well, you should at least state that in your answer. A "yes" means always, often people just see that and thing it means all players if *they* don't know it's better for their own player.
18:38:27Winchesterdoes the Gigabeat have all the features like rockboy and such?
18:38:41markunWinchester: it has no recording and FM
18:38:53fir3i don't need recording/fm
18:38:59markunbut appart from that it's the best (imho) rockbox supported player right now
18:39:03WinchesterTouche Llorean
18:39:08Lloreanjustjohnny68: The release build is less buggy, but it's also very much less featureful.
18:39:12Winchesterand thanks Markun
18:39:18Winchesterand how is the price when compared to ipods?
18:39:35Winchester=) google time
18:39:39markunyou can get a 2nd hand F40 for about $100 on ebay
18:39:40fir3yay :)
18:39:53Winchester$US right?
18:39:58mattzzHi, any emacs users online?
18:40:03markunWinchester: yes
18:40:10mattzzargh, sorry, wrong window
18:40:24fir3markun: not in germany :/
18:40:26LloreanWinchester: The price range is US $70-180 for the 40gb one depending on how bidding's going at the time or if you just want to skip it and buy one.
18:40:40markunfir3: no, they were never sold here in Europe (except the UK I think)
18:40:47WinchesterI don't generally buy stuff on ebay... what's the RRP?
18:40:49justjohnny68Llorean: Yes, that is the thing. The release is over a year old, and targeting another release takes energy, time, which I imagine is in short demand. So putting the emphais on the current build as the defacto "supported version" gives people a better since that it is best for them to use and it.
18:41:07justjohnny68emphais = emphasis
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18:41:17Lloreanjustjohnny68: I'm not sure I see your point.
18:41:28LloreanWe do put the emphasis on the 'current version'.
18:41:31markunWinchester, fir3: I have to go now
18:41:33Soapwhy is the H10InstallationBeta wiki page claiming there is a version 2.5 for the H10?
18:41:43LloreanSoap: Because someone stupid updated it?
18:42:00fir3markun: ok, tnx
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18:42:26LloreanI don't like to use that word, but I'm somewhat tired of people with software codec targets responding to "What build version are you running" with "2.5"
18:42:26*Soap considers himself stupid - but hopefully not _that_ stupid.
18:42:28Ploujheh, this is totally OT, but it's so funny: - see that guy's signature
18:42:35Winchestertake care markun
18:43:04fir3i found the gigabeat 3gb for 220?
18:44:02LloreanSoap: It doesn't look like the page says it's available though. the next sentence says it's only for archoses. They just cut and paste the section from the manual discribing what builds are out there.
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18:44:20Lloreanjustjohnny68: What exactly do you think should be done to clarify in the manual?
18:44:21Winchesterwait.... before deciding to buy a gigabeat... forgot to consider ipl.... which have grown fond of as well
18:44:50Winchester*... I have...
18:44:51justjohnny68Yes, but for the quick to download, non (at first) manual reading, version "2.5" using, people who may have limited desire to understand only to point-click and install, there are multiple steps which could be reduced.
18:45:24Lloreanjustjohnny68: Only Archos users can use 2.5
18:45:41fir3Winchester: ipl?
18:45:41Lloreanjustjohnny68: not to mention, you can't finish the installation without at least *some* manual reading right now.
18:45:51Winchesterfir3: iPod Linux
18:46:21fir3oh, right
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18:48:08Lloreanjustjohnny68: I really don't understand what you're suggesting should be done at all. I had a hard time even figuring out what you were saying in the last sentence you wrote.
18:48:26fir3a player with wireless functionality would be interesting(and cool :)
18:49:10Winchesterwhat kind of wireless functionality?
18:49:33Winchesterisn't the ipod airport a way to add wireless functionality to the ipod?
18:50:15justjohnny68Llorean: My point is the Release build should be deprecated. People using it: probably not many, and what is the first thing you tell someone who uses build version "2.5" and has a problem. Download a Current build.
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18:50:51Winchester(I don't know what I am talking about)
18:51:21Winchesteror do I..... you tell me fir3
18:51:31Lloreanjustjohnny68: The only problem anyone's ever reported to me with the release version is "It doesn't have feature X"
18:52:07fir3Winchester: google says you don't ;)
18:52:08justjohnny68Llorean: Yes, and what do you tell them to do if they want feature X, and it is available.
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18:52:41Winchesterdoes it say I am wrong is Times New Roman?
18:52:50Lloreanjustjohnny68: To update. But I think they should be able to figure out that a year old version doesn't have the features made available in the last year. 2.5 still offers more stability for Archos users, and many of them seem to prefer it over newer builds.
18:52:55Winchester'cause Times New Roman is always right.... Comic Sans is questionable....
18:53:09Lloreanjustjohnny68: Should we remove the most stable version just because it's old?
18:53:58Lloreanjustjohnny68: I'm just not sure how we should 'deprecate' it from your perspective.
18:54:22Winchesteranyway..... I am gonna go and stop cluttering the convo with stupid questions and disinfo >.>..... Unless I have more stupid questions
18:54:28LloreanIt's physically impossible for anyone but Archos users to use it, and for them there are arguments to use it because it has Rombox which no longer functions with the current build.
18:54:29justjohnny68Llorean, not necessarily. Just don't put it first everywhere. Put it after any reference to Current build. That visually ranks it.
18:54:44justjohnny68ranks it lower.
18:55:18Lloreanjustjohnny68: That also suggests to people who don't read the full thing that the 'Current build' is a release version.
18:55:31LloreanAgain you encounter the issue of people skimming
18:55:41fir3i think there sould definitely be a newer stable build
18:55:43LloreanOnly this time they see 'Current Build' and a link, and get no further information than that.
18:55:51Lloreanfir3: Then make Rockbox stable.
18:56:08fir3define 'stable'
18:56:13Lloreanfir3: last time we tried, there weren't enough people willing to work on actively fixing bugs. Are you?
18:56:28fir3hum ok you're right
18:56:35Lloreanfir3: You're the one who said there should be a stable build. What do YOU consider stable?
18:56:45LloreanWe've tried, last year, to put out a 3.0
18:56:50LloreanWell, the year before, honestly.
18:57:17WinchesterRockbox is unstable? It doesn't crash on me or freeze.... unless I do something stupid >.>
18:57:52LloreanWinchester: There are still some reproducable bugs in the playback system involving skipping at the end of songs, as well as I believe some voice issues.
18:57:57fir3what about making it easier to access the current build? (with a 'at your own risk' warning)
18:58:17Lloreanfir3: How do you get easier than 'download and extract'?
18:58:53WinchesterAh.... ok I don't normally rewind at the end of songs or use the voicing thing...
18:59:02fir3an installer would be easier...but maybe too easy..
18:59:11Winchesterheh.... suppose attaching the bootloader isn't as simple as it could be
18:59:16justjohnny68Llorean: I guess what I'm really after is either another Release to better reflect what rockbox can do now, or don't worry about a release version. Remove reference to the release version so there are no expectations generated that there will be one.
18:59:32Lloreanjustjohnny68: There will be one, eventually.
18:59:33IndroI activated database instead of file browser and get database not ready, what I must do? just waiting?
18:59:43Lloreanfir3: There is an installer, RBUtil.
19:00:07Lloreanfir3: It's pretty much functional for installing builds, once you've got your bootloader set up.
19:00:13fir3haven't seen it on the main page :)
19:00:15Indroand what database is it? from the files I have in root directory or that from itunes?
19:00:33Lloreanfir3: Because it's only 'mostly' ready.
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19:00:38justjohnny68Llorean: So while my bug squashing skills may not be that great yet. I would be willing to help organize a group which targets a stable Release. Do QA work etc.
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19:01:02Indrostill database not ready :/
19:01:21Lloreanjustjohnny68: What a stable release needs is people who are dedicated to doing the programming side of it, and users who are dedicated to actually trying to reproduce bugs instead of using unsupported builds.
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19:03:11LloreanNext time there's a feature freeze, I would like to temporarily close our unsupported build forums and replace them with a notice to the extent of "For a 3.0 to be possible, we need ALL users to be using the official build, and filing proper bug reports (see guidelines here). If you want a 3.0 release to ever happen, we need YOUR help. So for the duration of the freeze, unsupported builds will not be listed in our forums."
19:04:20justjohnny68Llorean: Yes, so we should start a wiki page which states the goals of a stable release, post messages in the forums asking for developers and testers interested in joining the effort. Maybe post a poll for must have features for the next stable release to see what's wanted.
19:04:23desowinIndro: reboot
19:04:40Indrodesowin: ok, mom
19:04:46Lloreanjustjohnny68: New features should NOT be part of the release.
19:04:47HairyHippy_installed rockbox on ipod photo, following the manual. got to point where says disconnect and reboot player - it's been on the apple symbol for 5 minutes now - tried restarting player but doesn't resolve - any suggestions?
19:04:50desowinIndro: oh, and in settings set to use database (initialize now)
19:05:00Indrodesowin: did that. ;)
19:05:07Lloreanjustjohnny68: The features that Rockbox-current has when going into the freeze will be the features it comes out with, or it'll never get done
19:05:09justjohnny68Llorean: I agree with that:
19:05:25Indrocoooooool, it works, thanks! :)
19:05:36Lloreanjustjohnny68: As for the rest, it's all stuff we tried, people just vanished. They went to use unsupported builds, or continued working on patches posting them to the tracker with "I know it's a feature freeze, so hopefully you'll include it after you list the freeze"
19:05:56Lloreanlift the freeze
19:06:12Indronow loading some themes.
19:06:15LloreanPeople want something they can use, not something they can work on.
19:07:27Indrois somewhere a theme package that includes all themes? =)
19:07:34HairyHippy_can connect to pc now either
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19:08:42WinchesterHairyHippy: Reset if you get the same thing again.... look up info on getting into disk mode.
19:08:45LloreanHairyHippy_: Which installation instructions did you use? Also, upon rebooting the player you should be able to force disk mode with Select+Play
19:09:44HairyHippy_ - i used these instrutions to install - will try forcing disk mode now
19:10:19HairyHippy_ok got it back to disk mode
19:10:43HairyHippy_I'll try and reinstall again
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19:10:49LloreanHairyHippy_: Try uninstalling and then following the instructions here: (make sure to download the versions of the files this page specifically tells you to use)
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19:10:51justjohnny68Llorean: Then that points towards "deprecating" the whole release concept. No, old doesn't mean unusable, but as you point out people want something usable and generally want the latest and greatest. By not mentioning a Release version, particularly if one doesn't seem possible, you've reduced the noise in chat, forums, etc. Rockbox can have the motto "We're so good, we don't need no stinking Release"
19:11:12HairyHippy_Lloran & Wincherster: thxs
19:11:42WinchesterI didn't do anything.... but any time =)
19:11:50webguest61I have transcend 610 music player can any version of rockbox support this.
19:11:54Lloreanjustjohnny68: There's very _very_ little 'noise' about a release.
19:12:19Lloreanjustjohnny68: Honestly, I'm wondering what you've seen that makes you think steps need to be taken on this issue. It sounds like a solution searching for a problem, overall.
19:12:28LloreanIs there somewhere you feel there's a bunch of noise on this issue?
19:12:45Lloreanwebguest61: is it in the list on the front page of the site?
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19:13:26webguest61Llorean: No
19:13:28justjohnny68Llorean: Fonts: need their own subheading after the Release, Current, Archived. At least I would change the link in the manual from to
19:13:46Lloreanwebguest61: I guess you have your answer.
19:14:15Lloreanjustjohnny68: The link does need to be updated to point to the extras, but it really shouldn't be a 'build' category.
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19:15:51webguest61Llorean: I was hoping that there was something like a similar model or a basic version, guess I'am outa luck.
19:18:21directhexwebguest61, you could port it yourself.
19:19:06webguest61Thanks all
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19:19:43Soapmy god, there are a lot of wiki pages still calling out the daily builds!
19:21:34Winchesterhey, what's a decent amount of RAM to put on the VM to compile rockbox?
19:21:50LloreanWinchester: The amount it defaults to is fine.
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19:22:04Winchester>.> I don't have enough to support the default amount
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19:22:38LloreanWell you'll kinda have to experiment then
19:22:54Winchesterright now..... I can only give it 144 will that be too slow?
19:23:07LloreanTry it and see?
19:24:19SoapI give coLinux only 64.
19:24:21LloreanWell a lot of it will also depend on things like raw CPU speed, etc, anyway.
19:24:40SoapThere is no reason that I can think of that the vmware image will need to see more.
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19:25:16Winchesterhmm..... thanks Soap and Llorean
19:25:43Winchester'cept I think the VMWare virtual disk is corrupt again >_<
19:25:51justjohnny68Llorean: I see downloading fonts as fairly important step of the installation process. Since they need to be downloaded seperately for anyone using a current build (and stable release users will most likely want them), I see it as a seperate subheading of section "2.2.2.  Installing the firmware" in the manual.
19:26:47WinchesterWhat's a minimalistic enough linux distro to use just for rockbox?
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19:27:34Lloreanjustjohnny68: It has a note *immediately* after the builds.
19:27:48Lloreanjustjohnny68: Since the builds are mutually exclusive, and the fonts are not, I don't see why it should be listed like the builds.
19:30:27SoapWinchester: try the colinux image - everything works except I need to update it for building the manual and simulators.
19:31:24Winchesteris there a rockbox ready image up or do you mean just a coLinux image?
19:32:15midgeyhmm speaking of fonts, anyone want to fix win_crox6hbo ?
19:32:41Lloreanmidgey: What's broken?
19:33:09Winchesteroh hey.... it's 5:30AM O_O...... don't you hate it when you forget to sleep and then realise it's you and your gf's anniversary today and you're meant to be meeting her soon? >_<
19:33:26midgeyLlorean: the glyphs appear to be cut off on the right side
19:33:59obobluebrother: does your last commit now say "use a current build build." ??
19:34:26*linuxstb fights Soap over the spelling of the metal used to encase the new Nano
19:34:44Soapoh poop, bad habit. Won't do it again.
19:34:50bluebrotherobo, yeps :o
19:36:03SoapI feel like I am walking on sacred ground modifying the GeneralFAQ wiki page - but I feel compelled to snip the line "We ask that you _do not_ submit bug reports for Bleeding Edge builds, but would love to hear any reports you may have about Release or Daily build versions."
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19:38:50midgeyLlorean: see 6031 for details
19:39:12WinchesterHey Soap, do you use Debian or something else for coLinux?
19:39:22SoapWinchester: debian
19:39:40Winchesterdoes it use apt, yum or what?
19:39:53Soapdebian IS apt ;)
19:40:11*ender` has gentoo setup as colinux
19:40:21merbananhow much memory is there for audio codecs in rockbox ?
19:40:25Winchester*confused look* O_o ahmm ok =)
19:40:32HairyHippy_Llorean: I followed everything on the link you gave me - do I now follow the link that I posted?
19:40:44Soaplook at the vmware and colinux wiki pages and you will see a pretty complete list of what you would need to install on a base Debian image.
19:41:35Winchesterwouldn't it mainly be svn, gcc and arm-elf toolchain?
19:42:37LloreanHairyHippy_: no, you just use that page.
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19:42:44Soapmake 3.81 would be nice.
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19:43:24Winchesterthought that would come standard >.>
19:43:53directhex"build-essential" depends on the usual development things like libc headers, gcc, g++, and make. amongst others
19:44:29Winchesteryeah, shouldn't have problems with all that
19:44:32preglowwhy haven't i gotten any rockbox mails?
19:44:36linuxstbmerbanan: There is 512KB for code and data, plus a separate 512KB malloc buffer. But I think we want to either greatly reduce or even remove the malloc buffer.
19:44:40ender`colinux had a gentoo image already prepared last time i looked, and with gentoo, to get the cross-compilers you need, you just need to do emerge crossdev && crossdev -s1 -t your-target
19:44:42preglowanything up with mailing?
19:44:49obopreglow: working here...
19:45:14Winchestergah.... allready chose Debian
19:45:36preglowi haven't gotten squat about the latest commits at all
19:45:47Winchesteranyway....... have that thing to do today that I need sleep for......
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19:45:53Soapender`: coLinux has beed debian based since Jdgordon's image - mine is as well.
19:46:09preglowhcs: have you called ci->configure(DSP_SET_SAMPLE_DEPTH, x) with the correct number?
19:46:14Soapahh - I misread what you were saying.
19:46:20preglowhcs: only thing i can think of
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19:53:08midkayhey Slasheri?
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19:56:03BigMacHey guys I finally have ubuntu running:)
19:56:38HairyHippy_could someone help me - having difficulty installing rockbox - Llorean gave me this link - got to testing part of step 2 and everything ok - so I move on to step 3 no?
19:57:10midkayHairyHippy: naturally, if you finish one step, you move onto the next, yes :)
19:58:38linuxstbHairyHippy: Which ipod do you have?
19:58:52HairyHippy_linuxstb: photo/color
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19:59:08HairyHippy_so i go to the intsallation part of step 3
19:59:27linuxstbThen I'm not sure why Llorean gave you those very old instructions. Use these -
19:59:56HairyHippy_ok - i'll try those thanks
20:00:23linuxstbHairyHippy: Is your ipod currently working? i.e. does the Apple firmware run?
20:00:44linuxstbThen those instructions will be fine.
20:01:42HairyHippy_i'll give them a try :)
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20:05:19Soaplinuxstb: IpodInstallation only for Mini / 4G grey - correct?
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20:09:44HairyHippy_linuxstb: followed everything on that page too and I now I get "can't load rockbox.ipod"
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20:11:43fir3_HairyHippy_ did you copy rockbox.ipod on your ipod?
20:12:17Brunellushi there
20:12:39Brunellusis there any way to generate playlists for rockbox OUTSIDE of rockbox?
20:12:41HairyHippy_fir3_: - no i'll do that now - doesn't say that on the link
20:12:48Brunellusas in, in rhythmbox or similar
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20:14:06HairyHippy_fir3: - where do i copy it to?
20:15:02bluebrotherBrunellus, sure. Just create standard m3u files
20:15:08bluebrother(or m3u8)
20:15:52bluebrotherand make sure they use either relative paths or paths referring to the root of your player, not the pc
20:16:15BigMacis there anyone here who uses ubuntu?
20:16:19Brunellusbluebrother so any m3u8 file with the right paths should work?
20:16:41bluebrotherit should.
20:18:02HairyHippy_ - I followed these instructions to install rockbox and when disconnect iPod and reboot it says "can't load rockbox.ipod"
20:18:10linuxstbHairyHippy_: "Step 1" on the page I pointed you to tells you to install Rockbox...
20:18:20linuxstbStep 2 is the bootloader.
20:18:54linuxstbSoap: Yes, both mini generations and the 4g greyscale.
20:18:57HairyHippy_d'oh - must stop scan reading - soz
20:19:28linuxstbNothing on that page should be scanned - it's there for a reason.
20:21:01HairyHippy_linuxstb: your right, soz again
20:21:50|Rincewind|BigMac: I use Ubuntu
20:22:23BigMacdo you use evolution mail?
20:22:42|Rincewind|only as a backup for gmail, why?
20:25:16BigMacdo you have the mail notification for it installed
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20:52:58*linuxstb hugs svn as he moves ipodpatcher into rbutil/
20:53:34Domonokyjust moving the files ?
20:53:57Domonokyok, thats good..
20:54:31linuxstbWe can still keep ipodpatcher as a standalone utility, but it makes it easier to compile with rbutil.
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20:54:52*Domonoky tries at the moment to integrate fwpatcher :-)
20:55:02preglowgood luck
20:55:22Brunellusrhythmbox won't let me create playlists outside its designated library
20:55:28preglowwhen i wrote that, my primary concern was not spending too much time doing so, heh
20:55:28HairyHippy_linuxstb: all installed thxs for your help
20:55:32linuxstbpreglow: Do I remember correctly that you wrote fwpatcher?
20:55:33Brunelluswhich means I'd have to make the iriver my library by default
20:55:38preglowlinuxstb: deed
20:55:49linuxstbNasty Windows-only application :)
20:55:49Brunelluswhich is exactly now thwat I want to do, since that'll be putting all my eggs in one basket.
20:55:50*Brunellus scowls.
20:55:56Brunellusoh yeah.
20:55:58preglowlinuxstb: couln't be bothered with any dll deps
20:56:09Brunellusis this where I flame someone for putting the themes in winzip format?
20:56:14Brunelluswhat the hell was wrong with gzip?
20:56:23preglowalso, i couldn't be bothered to learn any new gui toolkit
20:56:28preglowgui coding isn't what i enjoy the most
20:56:33linuxstbBrunellus: Because gzip will only compress a single file...
20:56:42Domonokyi integrate it in rbUtils.. but its not easy.. :-)
20:56:52MikachuBrunellus: just install unzip
20:57:01BrunellusMikachu, I'm running linux?
20:57:08linuxstb"apt-get install unzip" ?
20:57:24linuxstbZIP is a very open format thanks to the infozip project.
20:57:51BrunellusI still don't understand why the themes couldn't just be packaged like the usual rockbox firmware
20:57:52preglowthe infozip project should endavour to factorise their program into a factory
20:57:55Brunellusthat's a dir as well
20:57:57preglowi'd love to use some of their algos
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21:01:09linuxstbDomonoky: About your ipodpatcher patch, I think it would be more useful to have a "targetname" field - this is the "ipodnano", "ipodcolor" etc part. Will you be happy with that?
21:01:51Domonokythats ok, as long as i can construct the URL out of it.. :-)
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21:10:13linuxstbDomonoky: I've just committed changes to ipodpatcher very similar to your patch - adding targetname instead of bootloadername.
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21:13:51Domonokyoki, i will adjust my patch.. :-)
21:15:13linuxstbCan you change it to just have one Code::Blocks project? i.e. compiling the required ipodpatcher .c files together with the rest of rbutil?
21:16:06Domonokyyes, should be possible, now that you moved the ipodpatcher files..
21:33:01linuxstbDomonoky: You should also add yourself to the list of contributors as part of your patch (in credits.h)
21:33:26Domonokyi think i am already in the credits..
21:33:48*Domonoky longtime rockbox user.. :-)
21:34:01linuxstbYes you are, but there's a separate list of rbutil contributors in the About box in rbutil.
21:34:24Domonokyah, didnt know that, will do..
21:34:38linuxstbI've just been playing with your latest windows binary, and noticed it...
21:35:24linuxstbYou probably already know this, but: 1) The "select drive" dialog is still there for ipods; 2) It didn't detect my ipod, but then carried on anyway and tried to download a bootloader called "none".
21:35:46Domonokyjeah, i fixed this already..
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21:35:55Domonokya bug.. :-)
21:37:10senabhas anyone noticed a bug on the ipod where when rockbox is booted with the usb cable inserted it doesn't boot into disk mode, instead it freezes?
21:37:26linuxstbPeople have reported that with the COP patch.
21:37:53linuxstbOr are you getting it with a clean build?
21:38:10senabcurrently i am using a cop build, i'll try a cvs build now
21:38:20oboI've had it with a clean build
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21:39:02senabit happens everytime with my build
21:39:15senabi have to let rockbox fully boot, then insert the usb cable
21:39:42linuxstbobo: Have you had that problem for a long time, or just since the USB detection code change?
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21:40:36linuxstbI think the new USB detection code is starting to cause some problems - at least, it seems to have the ability to crash Mac OS X's USB stack... I'm investigating.
21:40:38carlit is possible to someone to test the WinCE 5 Emulator ?
21:40:38oboI think just since the detection change, although I wasn't paying that much attention
21:40:53carlwith the Gigabeat S firm.
21:41:47senabi know this has absolutely nothing to do with rockbox, but does anyone know of a tool that lets me look at the raw id3 tags in mp3's
21:42:01senabi'd like to know some of the mappings a program is using
21:42:19obolinuxstb: hangs with a "Loading..." splash - no HDD activity, but the disc keeps spinning
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21:42:59linuxstbobo: That's very odd - I'm not sure what it's trying to load.
21:43:36oboI keep a fairly large playlist (~4000 tracks) going, and have resume on startup enabled
21:45:25linuxstbSo the problem is on startup/
21:45:29oboif I turn off the resume it hangs on the file browser, hdd icon on, no activity, again the disc is spinning. Backlight thread responds, none of the buttons do
21:46:03senabthats what i get too
21:46:11senabi'm booting a cvs build now
21:46:14obolinuxstb: I've also had it hang on the usb icon screen when connecting the cable
21:46:22senabme too
21:46:40oboIf I remove the cable there is some disc activity, reinserting then normally makes it reboot as it should
21:47:09senabits working with the cvs build
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21:53:42Domonokylinuxstb, i have to make seperate c::b project files. ipodpatcher doesnt like to compile together with wxwidget (or the other way round, i get errors deep in wxwidgets ), so i have to make libs out of ipodpatcher and fwpatcher
21:56:15linuxstbSounds like fun...
21:57:01Domonokymaking static libs is easy, solving those wxwidgets errors is not..
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22:00:27linuxstbDomonoky: I've just tried compiling your patch in Linux, and had no problems at all, just adding ipodpatcher/ipodpatcher.o and ipodpatcher/ipodio-posix.o to the objects.
22:00:37linuxstb(and compiling them with gcc instead of g++)
22:01:28Domonokyhm.. then c::b probably tries to compile with g++, i will have to play a bit with it..
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22:03:17linuxstbAlthough it's not working. The bootloader wizard drop-down list is empty. I think I remember this problem from last time I tested though...
22:03:50Domonokyjeah this version has problems..
22:03:59Domonokyit was to late yesterday..
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22:04:30Domonokyi will upload a new version, when i get this linking things sorted..
22:06:55linuxstbI fixed the drop-down list option - it seems rbutil was looking the ini file in /usr/local/share/rbutil/rbutil.ini
22:08:15Domonokyi didnt change form where it takes the ini file
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22:08:38*linuxstb realises he needs to plug in both ends of his USB cable...
22:09:26senabA patch was included today and its flyspray page closed, but i've extended it slightly. Should i open a new flyspray page? lol
22:09:34linuxstbHmm... It's still not finding my ipod though - it's downloading bootloader "none". I'll wait for your next patch.
22:09:54Domonokyjeah wait for the next patch..
22:10:49linuxstbsenab: Yes, I think so.
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22:11:13senabit's only one line add though haha
22:11:15linuxstbUnless you can attract the attention of whoever committed the patch.
22:11:37senabit makes the patch 100x better though
22:12:07linuxstbWhat's the change?
22:12:12senaba id3 mapping
22:12:28linuxstbIs it controversial?
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22:13:27senabbasically the new album artist patch maps the album artist tag to 'TPE2' which is more commonly known as band. I've just added a mapping that also allows it uses foobar2000's album artist mapping
22:13:36senabwhich is much more common
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22:14:04senabMiika Pekkarinen commited it
22:14:21tucozlinuxstb: yesterday when i tried to find info on the tcc77x chip, i found some references in the logs to some player you had (logik, iirc). did you investigate this a lot, and what do you think of that chip?
22:14:34linuxstbYes, I'm just looking at the patch - it maps TPE2 to albumartist.
22:14:43tucoza _lot_ of players use that architecture
22:14:48senabfoobar maps it to TXXX
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22:15:14tucozlike the next pp rockbox :)
22:15:17linuxstbtucoz: I never found a firmware upgrade for that player, so that sort of stopped any port before it began...
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22:15:59linuxstbThey seem nice-enough chips, but I don't think I found any datasheets.
22:16:03tucozah. i see. i found one yesterday, for that bestbuy player
22:16:34tucozhehe. i think that is a hard task. I found some russian sites with heaps of data sheets. however all the links to that chips are dead
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22:17:02linuxstbsenab: I know nothing at all about id3v2 tags, so don't really want to commit your change - I've no idea if it's good or bad.
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22:18:32Bagdertucoz: those telechips are of the secret flavour
22:18:39tucozsure looks like it
22:19:08senabi'm going to test it first anyway, theres a forum thread so i'll just post it on there
22:19:19tucozbut it would open up a new dimension in terms of ports, if a port was successful for one of the tcc77x players
22:19:33linuxstbIndeed, we're short on ports :)
22:20:24Bagderit would be a lot easier to pick a TMS320 target, if you're in the business looking for a new port
22:21:10senabinfact forget about that patch linuxstb, ive just remembered txxx frames are user text frames and would filtering if used
22:21:12*tucoz googles
22:22:13tucozisn't that also a chip of the secret flavour?
22:22:33desowinafter benchmarking cop8 patch gives 1 hour less working-time on mini :(
22:22:35Bagderyes, but there are leaked docs and archopen has working code
22:23:20Lloreandesowin: Compared to the same build, same playlist, and no keypresses without the patch?
22:23:30desowinthe same conditions
22:23:32tucozmmmm. leaked docs
22:23:46Lloreandesowin: 'the same conditions' is a very fuzzy statement.
22:24:08desowinthe same svn revision, the same album, no backlight
22:24:11Lloreandesowin: If you play the same long playlist on shuffle, you can have a very different sequence of songs, especially if they're VBR.
22:24:22desowinno shuffle
22:24:49desowinLlorean: I've attached battery_bench's to wiki
22:24:54LloreanOdd, I got more battery life with KoC6
22:25:17LloreanWhich wiki page?
22:25:43LloreanWhich two battery benches?
22:26:01desowinRepeat album (63.3MB; 46m00s); MP3 192kbps under mini 2g
22:26:28tucozBagder: is this interesting, in the terms of a TMS320 target?
22:27:19tucozlooks like old news, after i read it
22:28:05BagderI believe there is a free assembler for the dsp
22:28:17Lloreandesowin: Your conclusion is flawed
22:28:29Lloreandesowin: Look how much time passes between 90% and 10%
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22:28:57Lloreandesowin: Because the two patches started at different levels, use a range from the middle
22:29:10Lloreandesowin: The KoC bench takes longer to use up that 80% of the battery than the one without it.
22:29:18desowinwell, I couldn't get 100% of battery using cop patch
22:29:21LloreanSo KoC is actually getting better battery life across a consistent voltage range.
22:30:34SoapMirroring what Llorean said - the 100-90 times and 10-0 times are very dramaticly different between those two battery benchs - leading to suspicion of battery weakness or less-than-perfect charging.
22:30:35Lloreandesowin: Rockbox doesn't charge well yet, as it draws power slowly. As well, rebooting or the backlight being on at the start of the test or the disk spinning or you spending more time in menus can also skew.
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22:31:04LloreanSoap: But 90-10 should be _relatively_ good basis of comparison
22:31:26LloreanAnd in the 90-10 range, KoC8 got 20 more minutes, which is a non-insignificant number.
22:31:35Soapit should be - the 10-0 life is dramaticly altered by disk access.
22:31:52Soapas one buffer fill when at sub 10% can cause a shutdown.
22:32:03desowinif that would help - I can provide .scrobbler.log
22:32:20senabthat wouldn't help desowin
22:32:45desowinbtw. does benchmarks help ?
22:32:50EverybodyI'm off to Granada
22:32:51Everybodybye people
22:32:53Lloreandesowin: There's already enough information in the benches, it just helps to make sure you're using parts of them that can be consistently measured.
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22:33:24*mattzz updated rocklife and maze plugin on the tracker (FS #6616/FS #6636). Some fixes and 4 spaces indented source code :-P
22:33:41senabhow eventually will the battery become more accurate?
22:33:55senab*battery meter
22:34:03Soapwhen discharge rates are more accurately modeled?
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22:34:34senabi was thinking that, so how is rockbox currently modelling the discharge? linerally?
22:34:38Soapsince voltage drop is not consistant with time even when drain is.
22:34:40Lloreansenab: The beginning and ending of the curve are always gonna be questionable anyway. Especially the end.
22:35:10SoapLlorean: Do you want me to add a 90-10 column to the runtime logs?
22:35:12senaboh i know that, i can never get 100% battery or 0% battery
22:35:30LloreanSoap: I think that would actually be useful, yes.
22:35:50senabas soon as i release the charge it drops to ~80%, and it dies at ~7%
22:35:58LloreanSoap: The problem is that the 90 and 10 points might move once we have a better discharge curve, right?
22:36:07SoapI'll work on that tonight - I believe I removed 90% of all wiki references to the daily builds, and 99% of the ones people read.
22:36:16SoapLlorean: TrueJournals
22:36:29SoapLlorean: true
22:36:52Soapthe only advantage of adding it will be for quick reference for those who care to look.
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22:38:04senaband who care to add to it
22:38:54Soapsenab: I already clean up the page as is- won't be too much work to add that as well.
22:39:04senabwhereabouts in the source is the battery discharge algo then?
22:39:44Soapdesowin: Really do apreciate you doing matched tests, though. All those unmatched tests are so frustraitingly less-than-informative.
22:42:35Soapsenab: sounds like you need a new battery.
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22:44:16senabi was thinking that but i still get a good 8 hours of it with rockbox
22:44:30senabwith normal use (changing album, etc etc
22:44:37Soapthe instant drop to 80% means it isn't holding peak voltage anymore...
22:45:04senabhang on, it's fully charge now so i'll test
22:45:18Soapbut 8 hours of real-world usage is pretty good-I baby mine to get through a ten-hour day.
22:45:44senabi set the backlight really low unless i need it
22:46:34senabyou hold menu and insert the cable to charge don't you?
22:46:42senab(off usb)
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22:48:58senabi was searching 'rockbox' on google tday and saw my build's site comes above the rockbox forums lol
22:49:52scorchei dont see that
22:50:06senabsecond page
22:50:08LloreanI see the forums on the first page, but no senab build.
22:50:12scorchebut i do see rockbox installer x at number 5
22:50:24scorche6 even
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22:50:49Genre9mp3senab: not the case here, too
22:51:04senabwhich google you using?
22:51:23scorchei am at least, as i am sure Llorean is aswell
22:51:32belzedid anyone test the wma-decoder from FS #4984 yet?
22:51:47senabi'm using uk here, too
22:52:33senabhang on
22:52:59senabgrrr i keep getting redirected to
22:53:02Genre9mp3yes, with I get your site above rockbox forums
22:53:20Genre9mp3both in the second page
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22:53:26senabit should really matter as i'm using the global search
22:53:41senaboh well
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22:53:51LloreanHrm, the wma decoder is at a wmatowav plugin point?
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22:54:12belzeseems so
22:54:34senabis it based off the ffmpeg decoder?
22:54:39belzebut as i dont have the tools to compile it i dont know how well it performs
22:55:03Lloreanbelze: It's just a plugin right now, you'll get a .wav file.
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22:56:11Genre9mp3oh, marsdaddy is back?
22:56:11belzei meant in points of performance. maybe it already runs in realtime?
22:56:54LloreanRight now you'd have to time how long it takes to create the .wav
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23:02:56belzewould you be able to compile it and upload it somewhere?
23:03:19LloreanWhy not set up a development environment?
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23:04:55amiconnBagder: ping...
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23:12:16safetydanhrmm... vbr speex playback doesn't call any of the floating point functions. so something else is up
23:12:58LloreanWell speex-on-rockbox seems to have plenty of kinks to work out still. :)
23:13:50amiconnHow's the performance of speex on the various targets?
23:15:11amiconnI am thinking about combining 2 backwards-incompatible voice switches into one, reducing annoyance for blind users
23:15:23LloreanVoice switches?
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23:15:45amiconnWith the langv2 rework we'll switch to target specific voice files, which will render old voice files incompatible
23:16:00amiconnIn the transition, we'll drop the useless bitswapping on swcodec
23:16:28amiconnAnd then we might switch to speex for swcodec at the same time
23:16:39LloreanWell, I've only tested it on Gigabeat so far.
23:17:04amiconnThere's one drawback of using speex for voice though - the .talk clips would also need to be in speex format then
23:17:24amiconnOn swcodec of course
23:17:26LloreanWell wouldn't that just mean using a different encoder with the generation tool?
23:17:30safetydanamiconn, the performance is pretty dire on coldfire, about 45% boost
23:18:27amiconnLlorean: Yes, but the *just* part is debatable
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23:19:15Lloreanamiconn: Doesn't the existing script use a command-line encoder?
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23:19:25amiconnAlthough, voicebox needs lame anyway and the ditribution archive includes it iirc
23:19:42amiconn...and we could include the speex encoder as well I think
23:19:55LloreanSince it's nicely GPL, I'm sure we can.
23:20:39amiconnThe user then needs to select which target "class" to generate voice clips for. For hwcodec it still needs to be mp3 of course
23:21:09LloreanOf course
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23:22:06amiconnsafetydan: Any coldfire specific optimissations already? iram usage?
23:22:26amiconnAnd what about ipod
23:22:39*amiconn thinks he should install the speex encoder
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23:25:16nickv111Sorry, computer keeps freezing
23:25:24nickv111Do you guys know how, if you're playing music, to get back to the file browser?
23:25:46nickv111Like, say I want to go back and browse my music while I'm playing music. I can't seem to get back to the file browser
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23:26:53Soapon ipod the answer = "Select"
23:27:08nickv111I'm using an iPod
23:27:09safetydanamiconn, the Speex library already has some arm optimisations. There are no Coldfire or IRAM optimisations done yet.
23:27:12nickv111Just a second, let me try
23:27:51nickv111Oh, nice, thanks
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23:28:57Soapthat is your one free "It's in the manual but I don't want to look" answer ;)
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23:29:16nickv111I actually did look, but for some reason I couldn't find it
23:29:26nickv111I know about RTFM'ing, though
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23:40:13Bagderamiconn: yes?
23:40:59amiconnI've built ipodpatcher for linux-amd64 with integrated bootloaders
23:41:12hcspreglow: it just seems to not work with 32 bit, and I don't see any other codecs for which it works at 32 bit
23:41:19Bagderamiconn: dcc it my way!
23:41:25hcsXavierGr: I don't have plans at the moment
23:41:30LloreanBagder: Did you know the iPod Dailies seem broken?
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23:41:43hcsXavierGr: I'd like to get speed a bit better, and then begin the code cleaning
23:41:53Bagderah, bad gcc I bet
23:42:08BagderLlorean: thanks, I'll fix
23:42:10hcssafetydan: ha ha, I knew you'd come crawling back to the fan club
23:42:45amiconnIncredibly fast ;) Guess it's because of the build running in parallel
23:43:01scorcheBagder: speaking of bad gcc, hopefully, i will have a new vmware image to upload your way as well
23:43:14Bagderah, goodie
23:44:07amiconnBah, why does the first transfer often fail at the end? :/
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23:45:14*scorche adds soon to his above statement
23:45:37nickv111I have another question. My scroll wheel seems very unresponsive on my 3g iPod
23:45:48nickv111I turned up the scrolls speed to 15, and it's still unresponsive
23:46:00nickv111To turn down or up volume, it takes a lot of work
23:46:08Lloreannickv111: The scroll speed has nothing to do with the scroll wheel.
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23:46:18amiconnBagder: 469824 bytes
23:46:30nickv111Llorean: Okay, then what does it have to do with?
23:46:43LloreanHow fast text scrolls left-to-right on longer than screen width lines.
23:47:06nickv111Then how do I fix my scroll wheel issue?
23:47:17amiconnhrrrmm :(
23:47:25Lloreannickv111: There's really nothing you can do right now.
23:47:35amiconnBagder: Correct size? I got another failure...
23:47:44Bagdergot 469824
23:47:52amiconnOK... strange
23:48:06Bagdermd5 4cd4596e5740cab672d59bb6b1ae0991
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23:52:45x1jmpCan any 1.8" IDE drive be used with the h120?
23:53:06x1jmpmine seems to be broken after it fell from the table some minutes ago :(
23:53:15webguest75Hi all. Will the 80G iPod supported in the future?
23:53:35Lloreanwebguest75: It's being worked on.
23:53:57webguest75thanks a lot!!
23:54:07LloreanNo predicting when it'll happen though
23:54:18Lloreanx1jmp: Not all 1.8" drives have the right connector.
23:54:31LloreanAs well, they have to be single-platter
23:54:36webguest75okay not problem.
23:54:42Genre9mp3x1jmp: Not Hitachi ones... they use different connectors
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23:56:08x1jmpwhat's dual platter btw? It's also mentioned in the misticriver wiki
23:56:16busa_bladewould anyone have an issue with breaking the jpeg.c file up into a header and a c file?
23:56:26scorcheit means that the hard drive has 2 platters inside of it
23:56:36Bagderx1jmp: dual platter is thicker drives than the single platter ones like in the h120
23:57:42Genre9mp3x1jmp: You'll need a single platter one for your H120
23:58:07linuxstb_busa_blade: If you split jpeg.c, you would need to move it into its own subdirectory, which might not be a bad thing.
23:58:54x1jmpok, what do you think when SSDs could be available and usable with iriver players?
23:58:59busa_bladestill drinking from the fire hose a bit, but is there a particular reason?

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