| 00:00:42 | safetydan | So... speex isn't working too well eh? |
| 00:00:46 | Big_Mac | yah it is debian |
| 00:01:05 | directhex | which version? |
| 00:01:10 | directhex | desktop or not? |
| 00:01:25 | Big_Mac | I am not sure |
| 00:01:36 | Big_Mac | I believe it is desktop |
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| 00:01:48 | directhex | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:03:05 | Big_Mac | those are commands? |
| 00:03:19 | Big_Mac | because when I type them it just mirrors what I type |
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| 00:05:22 | Big_Mac | ? |
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| 00:05:54 | Domonoky | you need a < |
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| 00:06:10 | Domonoky | cat < /etc/debian i think.. |
| 00:06:18 | directhex | no |
| 00:06:41 | directhex | and there's generally some severe issues going on |
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| 00:08:10 | Big_Mac | do you think if I exit vmware it will install the tools |
| 00:09:15 | directhex | no, it won |
| 00:09:17 | directhex | 't |
| 00:09:24 | Big_Mac | ok |
| 00:09:24 | directhex | and according to the wiki, they're already installed |
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| 00:09:37 | directhex | *sigh*, i suppose i could download the image, and take a look at it |
| 00:09:42 | Big_Mac | it says in workstation they are out of date |
| 00:09:47 | directhex | but i strongly suspect it's a problem specific to you |
| 00:09:49 | Big_Mac | I have them |
| 00:09:54 | Big_Mac | they are just old |
| 00:10:07 | directhex | probably something stupid like zonealarm |
| 00:10:28 | directhex | go into the virtual machine properties, shared folders, and share your c drive |
| 00:10:34 | directhex | it's then in /mnt/hgfs |
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| 00:13:34 | Big_Mac | ok then in there what am I doing |
| 00:13:53 | TrueJournals | since we're talking about linux... does anyone know how to make apt-get install dependencies automatically? |
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| 00:14:06 | Domonoky | what happens when you "ipodpatcher" your ipod twice ? |
| 00:14:43 | Big_Mac | that was at you directhex |
| 00:15:05 | Llorean | Domonoky: It writes the bootloader, then it replaces the bootloader with the bootloader |
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| 00:15:19 | Domonoky | so nothing bad ? |
| 00:15:34 | Llorean | If something bad happens, it's a bug |
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| 00:16:00 | Domonoky | good, so its save for rbutil to just do an bootloaderadd |
| 00:16:10 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 00:16:10 | Big_Mac | And vmware-tools is the command name correct? |
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| 00:17:45 | linuxstb | TrueJournals: apt-get always installs dependencies automatically, at least in my experience. |
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| 00:18:42 | TrueJournals | linuxstb: when I try to apt-get install subversion, it says "The following packages have unment dependencies: subversion: Depends:..." |
| 00:19:04 | Domonoky | does anyone with a ipod like to try the new rbutil ? (with integrated ipodpatcher) but no garantie ,i cant test it at moment.. |
| 00:20:09 | linuxstb | TrueJournals: Have you run "apt-get update"? |
| 00:20:24 | TrueJournals | linuxstb: yes |
| 00:20:32 | TrueJournals | Maybe I'll try a different mirror... |
| 00:20:43 | Llorean | Domonoky: If you're around in about an hour 'n a half, I can probably try it then. |
| 00:21:21 | Domonoky | okey, i will make a zip and upload it somewhere.. |
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| 00:22:35 | TrueJournals | ah, yeah, got it working with a debian.org mirror... |
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| 00:23:10 | Big_Mac | directhex: You here man? |
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| 00:28:59 | jba | hye linuxstb, where do i go on the rockbox site to find out mpegplayer status? or do i just ask in here? |
| 00:30:31 | linuxstb | No change recently. The PluginMpegplayer wiki page has the status. |
| 00:31:02 | linuxstb | But someone was here the other day who seems to be working on implementing rebuffering. |
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| 00:36:15 | jba | cool thanks mate |
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| 00:40:13 | artillery2302 | Hello |
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| 00:41:02 | artillery2302 | i would post on the forum but it hasnt sent me the reg confirmation |
| 00:41:38 | artillery2302 | rad |
| 00:41:43 | artillery2302 | no ones alive |
| 00:42:08 | linuxstb | We're just waiting for you to ask a question. |
| 00:42:27 | artillery2302 | sorry |
| 00:43:09 | artillery2302 | okay so i'm following the mac installation and im trying to get the rockbox.zip and its not working and when i do download it mac osx unzips it for me but theres nothing in the folder ... am i missing something |
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| 00:44:45 | midgey | artillery2302: the zip file unzips into .rockbox, which is hidden on mac |
| 00:44:51 | artillery2302 | i see |
| 00:45:03 | Domonoky | www.b23.org/~domonoky/rbutil.zip <- rbutil with ipodpatcher (untested) |
| 00:45:20 | linuxstb | Plus I think there's a problem with the current daily build - the rockbox.ipod file is missing. |
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| 00:45:26 | artillery2302 | so how do i put it onto my ipod if i cant see it exactly |
| 00:45:27 | Domonoky | ^^ for windows |
| 00:45:56 | linuxstb | artillery2302: Download the latest "current build" for your ipod instead |
| 00:46:13 | artillery2302 | k |
| 00:46:20 | Domonoky | we should compile a rbutil for macos, would solve this problems :-) |
| 00:46:29 | linuxstb | Domonoky: Feel free... |
| 00:46:42 | Domonoky | hehe, dont have macos .. |
| 00:46:48 | artillery2302 | i downloaded the ipodpatcher and so it turns it into rockbox-1.ipod |
| 00:46:57 | artillery2302 | when it unzips itself is that good |
| 00:47:20 | midgey | error -1 means it can't find the firmware |
| 00:47:33 | artillery2302 | no the file is rockbox-1.ipod |
| 00:47:41 | artillery2302 | after i download it and osx unzips |
| 00:48:00 | midgey | the zip should contain rockbox.ipod and .rockbox |
| 00:48:05 | linuxstb | My advice would be to not let OS X unzip it... |
| 00:48:09 | midgey | you should only see .rockbox |
| 00:48:21 | midgey | err, scratch that |
| 00:48:26 | artillery2302 | yeah i guess i need to figure out how to get osx to stop doing that |
| 00:48:37 | midgey | you should only see rockbox.ipod |
| 00:48:55 | midgey | can't you just download the zip file, and unzip through terminal? |
| 00:48:56 | artillery2302 | oh i know why it did that i already have a rockbox.ipod on my desktop |
| 00:48:59 | artillery2302 | im in idiot |
| 00:49:35 | artillery2302 | it sucks being a visual learner its hard to read something and follow it |
| 00:49:36 | artillery2302 | for me |
| 00:49:53 | midgey | copy the zip to your ipod and unzip it there, then delete the zip |
| 00:50:34 | artillery2302 | okay im just trying to get everything ready i havnt re-formated my ipod yet to fat32 |
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| 00:51:10 | artillery2302 | so once i do that when i look at the ipod as a drive it shouldnt have contacts photos .... etc |
| 00:51:13 | artillery2302 | it should have the root folder |
| 00:51:30 | artillery2302 | and other various stuff i know nothing about |
| 00:52:18 | midgey | yes, well you have to enable an option to show your ipod as a drive in itunes iirc |
| 00:53:11 | DataGhost | GodEater, care to test my experimental, modified kernel? |
| 00:53:11 | artillery2302 | yeah my itunes says enable disk use and its checked |
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| 00:53:25 | DataGhost | it should now autodetect the used partition so it should work on ANY iPod :) and it can mount fat32 on any iPod too (supposedly) |
| 00:53:30 | artillery2302 | so i think i have a 5.5 it still works right |
| 00:53:37 | DataGhost | except for nano2g :P |
| 00:54:09 | artillery2302 | sorry im not really this stupid i swear |
| 00:54:13 | linuxstb | artiller2302: This forum post may help you with the hidden file problem - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2342.0 |
| 00:55:27 | midgey | i wish there was a shortcut on mac to display hidden files... |
| 00:56:03 | linuxstb | ls -a works fine for me. |
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| 00:56:41 | midgey | oh, it works find in terminal |
| 00:56:48 | midgey | s/find/fine |
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| 00:57:25 | linuxstb | I know what you mean. It's a odd feature to leave out. |
| 00:57:34 | Paprica | hi all... |
| 00:57:44 | midgey | there are a lots of odd quirks... |
| 00:57:53 | Paprica | why chooper game isnt commited yet? |
| 00:57:56 | linuxstb | But I guess that Apple think that people that need to access hidden files will figure it out. |
| 00:58:05 | Paprica | there is any special reason? |
| 00:58:08 | midgey | probably something like that |
| 00:58:26 | artillery2302 | thank you very much now i should be able to do this |
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| 00:58:57 | linuxstb | Paprica: I think it's simply that no-one has noticed it... |
| 00:58:59 | artillery2302 | just to make sure, if i put rockbox on my ipod i still can use my mac and itunes to put files onto it correct? |
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| 00:59:10 | linuxstb | (no-one with write access that is) |
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| 01:00:38 | linuxstb | artillery2302: Yes. If you want to continue with itunes, you won't be able to use Rockbox's file browser feature to browse your music, just the Rockbox database. |
| 01:01:15 | linuxstb | But Rockbox doesn't affect itunes or the apple firmware at all. |
| 01:01:38 | artillery2302 | whats the difference between the file browser and database |
| 01:02:25 | artillery2302 | on my ipod i wont be able to like browse by artist or songs or anything like that? |
| 01:02:47 | midgey | file browser is like finder, database is like the ipod view (organize by artists etc) |
| 01:03:11 | artillery2302 | oh ... theres nothing wrong with that |
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| 01:04:08 | artillerytx | thank you guys for being so helpful this has really been one of the most confusing things ever but i'm glad im learning about it |
| 01:04:23 | artillerytx | its starting to make more sense |
| 01:04:58 | artillerytx | and if i somehow screw my ipod up i can fully restore orignal firmware with the backup i creatre in the installation instructions |
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| 01:05:26 | linuxstb | Yes, or just click on "restore" in itunes. |
| 01:05:41 | artillerytx | awesome so there really is nothing to loose |
| 01:05:47 | artillerytx | just an amazing os to gain |
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| 01:28:41 | Domonoky | http:/b23.org/~domonoky/rbutil.zip <- now with ipod and gigabeat support (untested) (both bootloader and rockbox) (windows binary) |
| 01:30:26 | linuxstb | Domonoky: I just tried your previous version (in Linux using Wine - so the ipodpatcher parts failed to see my ipod, as I would expect). But it seemed to download the bootloader (the download window flashed up very briefly) before failing. |
| 01:30:59 | Llorean | I've just restored my iPod and am about to test it |
| 01:31:10 | linuxstb | Did you need to modify ipodpatcher very much (if at all) to make a static lib out of it? |
| 01:31:18 | Domonoky | jeah downloading works.. |
| 01:31:32 | Domonoky | but if the ipodpatcher part works.. (i hope.. :-) ) |
| 01:31:59 | linuxstb | The order seems odd though - it should detect the kind of ipod first, and then download the correct bootloader... |
| 01:32:03 | amiconn | safetydan: (1) Why not use DEBUGF() instead of printf()? (2) There is still one warning left (only for sims built on 64 bit machines) |
| 01:32:13 | Domonoky | at the moment it can only work if the autdetection of ipodpatcher works.. |
| 01:32:34 | Llorean | Okay, bootloader install worked |
| 01:32:35 | Domonoky | you selected your ipod.. |
| 01:32:46 | Llorean | BUT Rockbox install didn't, I think the URL it points to is simply outdated. |
| 01:32:53 | Domonoky | could be.. |
| 01:33:07 | Domonoky | i had to update the ini file |
| 01:33:08 | linuxstb | But that's good news. |
| 01:33:31 | Domonoky | i will check the urls |
| 01:33:31 | Llorean | But, what was all that about auto-detection? |
| 01:33:31 | artillerytx | hey again |
| 01:33:33 | linuxstb | Domonoky: But there's no need for a user to select their type of ipod - just "ipod" in that list is enough. |
| 01:33:37 | artillerytx | what is the ipod root folder called? |
| 01:33:40 | Llorean | It asked me what drive my iPod was |
| 01:33:42 | linuxstb | (for the bootloader part of the install). |
| 01:33:59 | Llorean | artillerytx: "root folder" means just in the root of the drive. X:\ |
| 01:34:04 | artillerytx | oh okay |
| 01:34:20 | Domonoky | this is because i reused the wizard pages for the normal rockbox install |
| 01:34:44 | Llorean | What happens if I pick a wrong model/drive? |
| 01:35:05 | Domonoky | hm, i think ipodpatcher complains ? |
| 01:35:09 | linuxstb | The add_bootloader() function in ipodpatcher should reject it. |
| 01:35:31 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 01:35:38 | linuxstb | But the drive letter will just be ignored (I assume). |
| 01:35:40 | Domonoky | which should in return give you a failure in rbutil with the error message.. |
| 01:35:48 | Domonoky | drive letter is ignored |
| 01:35:55 | artillerytx | so i just put the rockbox folder and the fonts folder in im supposed to eject it and then put it back in ? and then do the bootloader? |
| 01:36:08 | Domonoky | drive letter is used in gigabeat bootloeader install :-) |
| 01:36:09 | Llorean | You might want to cut the drive letter out and replace it with a "The first detected iPod will be used" |
| 01:36:26 | Llorean | So people don't try to plug in multiple iPods and just run it on each in sequence, and start wondering why it failed after the first one. |
| 01:36:27 | linuxstb | No, don't eject, "unmount" it. |
| 01:36:53 | Domonoky | jeah i should modify the page, depending which model you selected |
| 01:36:58 | Llorean | Domonoky: For the gigabeat, does it rename the original firmware file properly? |
| 01:37:06 | Domonoky | i hope, |
| 01:37:12 | Domonoky | i couldnt test.. |
| 01:37:19 | Domonoky | but i check every step.. |
| 01:37:32 | Domonoky | so it should error if it fails.. |
| 01:37:34 | artillerytx | oh cause it says eject |
| 01:37:41 | artillerytx | on the installtion instructions |
| 01:37:50 | Llorean | artillerytx: Which instructions, exactly? |
| 01:38:01 | artillerytx | ipod instalation beta |
| 01:38:05 | artillerytx | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
| 01:38:11 | artillerytx | cause im doing it on a mac |
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| 01:38:46 | Llorean | The ONLY use of the word 'eject' in there tells windows users to make sure to use the eject function rather than just unplugging it. |
| 01:38:55 | artillerytx | oh okay |
| 01:39:04 | artillerytx | so i keep going with the ipod plugged in |
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| 01:39:48 | Llorean | Domonoky: I'm going to skip testing it on my Gigabeat at the moment, because I'm not sure the recovery process for a missing bootloader if it goes wrong. |
| 01:40:11 | Domonoky | oki, no problem |
| 01:40:16 | Llorean | But it seems to work fine on my Nano |
| 01:40:25 | Domonoky | thats good news.. |
| 01:40:27 | Llorean | Well, the bootloader part does, rather |
| 01:40:32 | linuxstb | Domonoky: IMO, the wizard should just have a single "ipod" option. It should then call the scan() function, and tell the user if an ipod was found, and if so, which model. That also needs to check for macpods. You can then download and install the appropriate bootloader. |
| 01:40:41 | Domonoky | jeah urls in the ini are wrong |
| 01:41:23 | Domonoky | oki.. i will change the wizard (make my own pages instead of quick reuse) :-) |
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| 01:42:30 | linuxstb | Did you need to modify the ipodpatcher code much? |
| 01:42:40 | Llorean | help: Really your best bet is to actually follow the instructions in the manual, but yes, you just keep going with it plugged in. |
| 01:42:42 | Domonoky | nearly nothing |
| 01:42:57 | amiconn | safetydan: I just fixed (2) |
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| 01:43:50 | Domonoky | i just added "char* get_parttype(int pt);" to ipodpatcher.exe thats all.. |
| 01:44:29 | Domonoky | and i rebuild what the main.c does for add and remove in rbutil |
| 01:45:13 | linuxstb | Maybe I should move ipodpatcher from tools/ to rbutil/, you can then easily link the code directly. |
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| 01:46:25 | help | when im in the terminal im in desktop does ipodpatcher need to be on the dekstop along with bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod |
| 01:46:40 | Domonoky | i plan to add bootloader installation for all players in rbutil, but on some players i will need help :-) |
| 01:46:46 | help | cause i tried typing ipodpatcher −−scan and it said −−bash ipodpatcher cannot be found |
| 01:46:48 | linuxstb | help: You can test the new, easier ipodpatcher if you wish. |
| 01:47:11 | help | whats the new easier one |
| 01:47:17 | linuxstb | http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-0.8.dmg |
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| 01:47:25 | Llorean | Domonoky: For the H1xx and H3xx series, the user needs to manually do a lot of steps, or at the very least have certain files ready in advance for merging with the bootloader |
| 01:47:37 | linuxstb | With instructions here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/newinstall.txt |
| 01:47:42 | Big_Mac | anyone here use vmware workstation for compiling? |
| 01:48:07 | artillerytx | is this just going to confuse me or is it really easier to install the bootloader |
| 01:48:17 | Llorean | artillerytx: Much easier. |
| 01:48:20 | artillerytx | k awesome |
| 01:48:23 | Domonoky | i know, i own a h120, but we will see :-) |
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| 01:50:05 | artillerytx | hey so when i brought my ipod back from the windows computer after making it fat32 |
| 01:50:07 | directhex | Big_Mac, i'm back |
| 01:50:13 | artillerytx | itunes is asking me to erase and sync |
| 01:50:14 | artillerytx | do i want to do that |
| 01:50:15 | artillerytx | ? |
| 01:50:18 | Llorean | No. |
| 01:50:23 | artillerytx | k |
| 01:50:27 | artillerytx | so cancel |
| 01:50:34 | Llorean | That'll un-convert it, I think. |
| 01:51:13 | artillerytx | alright so itunes opened if i close out of itunes wont that eject my ipod or no |
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| 01:51:54 | linuxstb | Check that the "enable use as disk" option is still selected. |
| 01:52:09 | artillerytx | k |
| 01:52:13 | artillerytx | my ipod isnt on my desktop anymore |
| 01:52:22 | artillerytx | after i clicked that and i cant find it in disk utility |
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| 01:52:44 | linuxstb | Then it must have been ejected by itunes... Check that option. |
| 01:53:20 | artillerytx | k i checked to make itunes not open when its connected |
| 01:53:29 | artillerytx | im gonna eject it and put it back in |
| 01:53:58 | artillerytx | mo fo opend itunes again |
| 01:54:11 | artillerytx | can i just keep itunes open ? |
| 01:54:48 | linuxstb | Nope... |
| 01:55:09 | artillerytx | everytime i quit itunes it ejects my damn ipod i cant find the option to turn that off |
| 01:55:41 | linuxstb | You need to select your ipod in itunes, and then scroll down the window that appears. |
| 01:56:02 | artillerytx | k fixed it |
| 01:56:10 | artillerytx | i wasnt appying the settings |
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| 01:57:57 | artillerytx | okay im doen installing the bootloader should rockbox work now? |
| 01:58:07 | artillerytx | that was super easy by the way ! |
| 01:58:49 | linuxstb | Glad it worked. Yes, if you now eject and unplug your ipod, Rockbox should start. |
| 01:59:16 | artillerytx | wait it said cant find rockbox.ipod |
| 01:59:18 | artillerytx | when it loaded up |
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| 01:59:59 | artillerytx | i put the rockbox shit into the root folder |
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| 02:00:09 | artillerytx | do i plug it back in |
| 02:00:48 | Llorean | Did you simply extract the rockbox.zip onto the iPod? |
| 02:01:14 | artillerytx | oops |
| 02:01:17 | Llorean | If you open your iPod, you should see on it, not in any folders, the file rockbox.ipod, do you? |
| 02:01:24 | artillerytx | i put rockbox-ipodvideo into |
| 02:01:25 | artillerytx | as a folder |
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| 02:03:04 | artillerytx | okay so nothing should be in a folder correct |
| 02:03:19 | Llorean | Well there's a hidden folder, .rockbox |
| 02:03:29 | Llorean | You need to make sure that it's not in any folders either, but you may not see it |
| 02:03:30 | artillerytx | yeah well i can see hidden files |
| 02:03:39 | Llorean | Which is why we recommend simply extracting straight to the device. |
| 02:03:58 | artillerytx | yeah i just cant do that cause i have osx and it does it to the desktop |
| 02:04:07 | Llorean | You should see rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder on the device. .rockbox will have lots of other stuff in it, but those two need to not be in any other folders. |
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| 02:06:02 | artillerytx | okay i see rockbox.ipod and .rockbox |
| 02:06:07 | artillerytx | what about the fonts ? |
| 02:06:12 | artillerytx | is that in .rockbox |
| 02:07:01 | artillerytx | okay i put the fonts into the .rockbox |
| 02:07:52 | artillerytx | how do you restart from diskmode |
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| 02:08:15 | linuxstb | Hold MENU+SELECT |
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| 02:08:33 | artillerytx | k |
| 02:09:07 | artillerytx | niiice |
| 02:09:08 | artillerytx | it worked |
| 02:09:35 | artillerytx | so how do you put the differnt skins ? |
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| 02:10:55 | Big_Mac | alright I have a ubuntu environment running |
| 02:11:05 | Llorean | artillerytx: At this point you should probably start reading the manual |
| 02:11:24 | Big_Mac | and I entere the "svn co svn://...." command and I am getting a bash error |
| 02:11:42 | artillerytx | k sorry haha |
| 02:11:44 | artillerytx | thank you so much |
| 02:11:47 | directhex | any specific bash error? |
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| 02:12:15 | Big_Mac | should I be using a different command to connect to the svn repository |
| 02:12:32 | Big_Mac | just command not found |
| 02:12:51 | directhex | that doesn't seem an overly cryptic error to me |
| 02:13:04 | directhex | bash is reporting that the "svn" command isn't found |
| 02:13:12 | Big_Mac | Yup |
| 02:13:21 | directhex | why would it report that? because it's not installed |
| 02:13:22 | Big_Mac | I don't know what command I shuld be using |
| 02:13:37 | Big_Mac | ah |
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| 02:13:56 | Big_Mac | I can install the packages I assume using apt get? |
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| 02:14:00 | directhex | windows doesn't come with half life pre-installed. not every distribution comes with subversion pre-installed |
| 02:14:18 | directhex | "sudo aptitude install subversion" |
| 02:14:22 | linuxstb | I thought the vmware image had subversion installed though? |
| 02:14:42 | Big_Mac | not the debian image |
| 02:14:50 | directhex | sudo means 'run this command as the system administrator'. aptitude is a package manager with reasonable dependency resolution. |
| 02:14:52 | Big_Mac | I am using just a ubuntu 6.1 image |
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| 02:15:03 | directhex | linuxstb, he failed to get anywhere with the rockbox image for some reason |
| 02:15:07 | directhex | Big_Mac, no such version |
| 02:15:21 | Big_Mac | yes there is... ^.10 |
| 02:15:27 | Big_Mac | 6.10 |
| 02:15:45 | Big_Mac | edgy eft |
| 02:15:51 | directhex | 6.10 != 6.1 |
| 02:15:52 | Big_Mac | check the site man:) |
| 02:15:54 | linuxstb | Then yes, do what directhex said. |
| 02:17:16 | Big_Mac | Just a question, if this image runs in my vmware virtual station, it should run on my laptop then right? |
| 02:18:01 | directhex | in vmware on the laptop |
| 02:18:18 | directhex | as long as you haven't done anything silly like 64-bit or dual-processor mode on the virtual machine |
| 02:20:33 | Big_Mac | nope |
| 02:20:58 | Big_Mac | sweet that means it was fixed and I can install ubuntu tonight*) |
| 02:21:02 | Big_Mac | 8) |
| 02:22:00 | Big_Mac | alright well I am going to reboot and make sure everything works fine in the live disk |
| 02:22:36 | directhex | you mean 'will ubuntu work on the laptop' or 'will ubuntu work in vmware on the laptop', sorry? |
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| 02:22:41 | directhex | bah |
| 02:24:04 | dewdude | anyone using the vmware platform have any problem compiling recent svn's? |
| 02:24:25 | Llorean | dewdude: You need to update the arm-elf-gcc to 4.0.3, probably |
| 02:24:32 | dewdude | Llorean, alrighty |
| 02:24:45 | dewdude | i'll fix sources.list and do an update |
| 02:25:10 | scorche | there isnt anything wrong with sources.list |
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| 02:25:22 | scorche | but, i guess i need to update the image again |
| 02:26:34 | linuxstb | Or just create a .tgz with the /usr/local/arm/ (or whatever) directory? |
| 02:26:53 | linuxstb | s/Or/and/ ? |
| 02:27:02 | dewdude | scorche, last time i tried to apt-get something, i got nothing but a bunch of 404's...unless it was a mirror snafu |
| 02:27:53 | scorche | dewdude: i edited that file and used it to update the image to version 3, so i doubt something is wrong with it |
| 02:28:10 | * | dewdude shrugs |
| 02:28:16 | dewdude | i'll give it another shot |
| 02:28:33 | scorche | linuxstb: with many of the users of the image, it would be simpler to just make a new image for them |
| 02:28:42 | Llorean | scorche: Many things can't be apt-getted at the moment. |
| 02:28:57 | Llorean | I'm not really sure why, it just lists dependencies and says it decided not to download them, for me. |
| 02:29:03 | * | directhex makes a NEW vmware image. with blackjack. and hookers. |
| 02:29:07 | linuxstb | scorche: Yes, but it could be useful to give clueful users the option of a .tgz. |
| 02:29:16 | Llorean | But to update the arm-elf-gcc you just need to apt-get bzip2, and then use rockboxdev.sh |
| 02:29:17 | scorche | linuxstb: true |
| 02:29:31 | dewdude | directhex, actually, forget the blackjack! |
| 02:29:42 | Llorean | scorche: An image where the crosscompilers are in the folders that rockboxdev.sh installs them to, by default, rather than custom folders, would probably be better. |
| 02:29:52 | * | linuxstb was about to suggest the same... |
| 02:29:55 | directhex | who makes the image? |
| 02:29:57 | scorche | Llorean: i actually was thinking about that last night |
| 02:30:10 | Llorean | That way they can just update it by rerunning rockboxdev. |
| 02:30:13 | directhex | i might be shit at low-level hardware hackery in c, but i can manage vmware like nobody's business |
| 02:30:32 | scorche | Llorean: aye...i will do that for version 4 then |
| 02:30:35 | Llorean | Of course, we need to package it with bzip2 for that, but that's hardly a big deal. :) |
| 02:31:07 | scorche | directhex: i didnt originally make it, but i seem to be the recent maintainer |
| 02:31:46 | scorche | directhex: also, i have noticed you make a lot of off-topic comments and generally useless information...this is a technical channel...not a social one |
| 02:34:41 | dewdude | scorche, sorry i thought sources was busted..it seems to be working now..but i tried the other day and it was just 404 error after 404 error. |
| 02:34:44 | * | jhMikeS thought off topic useless information was his department |
| 02:35:38 | directhex | jhMikeS, no, it's very much my style. i suppose saying 'why ipd nano 2 not wrk" a lot would be more on-topic though \o/ |
| 02:36:01 | Llorean | directhex: The issue is that the channel's logged, and lots of OT spam makes it harder to scan through for relevant things. |
| 02:36:30 | jhMikeS | directhex: I think everyone's just more ok with telling you directly :) |
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| 02:37:03 | Llorean | Occasional OT is understandable, it happens, but it makes it easier if everyone mostly tries to keep it relevant so the logs are more readable. |
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| 02:38:04 | scorche | also, (you are far from the only one i have seen), but if a user asks something or has an issue, tell them to wait for someone who does know about it if you dont...i have seen many instances of people leading users down the wrong path lately and someone has had to come in and say "uhhh...no...it is this"...what i fear are the times when no one is around to say that |
| 02:40:36 | jhMikeS | Well, if I know, I know, if I know I don't, or don't think I can atm, I just try to keep quite and perhaps investigate and see if I can. |
| 02:41:01 | scorche | jhMikeS: wasnt meaning you ;) |
| 02:41:39 | jhMikeS | Then I guess that sentence was just completely invalidated ::P |
| 02:41:40 | scorche | however, i have seen instances of people saying "well, this is why it does that and this is what you need to do" when they are completely wrong |
| 02:44:36 | jhMikeS | Since you know that, you have to know it's bs already therefore should slap them kindly and correct their mistake. :) |
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| 02:45:09 | scorche | jhMikeS: but that doesnt mean i was here at the time to do that ;) |
| 02:45:11 | dewdude | he can't be here all the time |
| 02:45:51 | Llorean | There's a ridiculous amount of misinformation about Rockbox out there anyway, we've got to try to control it when it's somewhere we can. :) |
| 02:46:03 | jhMikeS | Then I guess it's in the logs since you've "seen" it. |
| 02:46:14 | scorche | jhMikeS: somewhere in there... |
| 02:46:15 | Llorean | There's at least two threads I've seen on other sites were people were 100% certain you had to wipe your windows iPod to install Rockbox. |
| 02:47:22 | Llorean | And we had one guy in our forums stating that Rockbox absolutely does not touch the flash on H120 (being only an H10 user, who I think just got confused as to what target what under discussion) |
| 02:47:41 | * | jhMikeS thinks "windows iPod" sounds stange enough |
| 02:47:42 | dewdude | i'll admit..i knew NOTHING about it other than it worked on my ipod when i bought my ipod...i still don't know much...but...there's a simple fact that people 9 times out of 10 don't even bother to fully read the website and just, jump in here |
| 02:48:06 | directhex | i'd appreciate being told which specific instances of my misinforming people have been noted. there have been times when i've been misinformed and asked a question, granted, but i tend not to intentionally stab in the dark |
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| 02:48:50 | Llorean | I'll say right now, I don't pay much attention to _who_ gets things wrong. Hell, I've done it a few times myself, anyway. :) |
| 02:49:05 | scorche | directhex: it was a bit ago, but i am just speaking generally atm...if i see it again, i will let you know =) |
| 02:49:29 | Llorean | Though speaking as a rough percentage relative to the amount of information I've given out, I think I'm still in the green. ;) |
| 02:49:39 | jhMikeS | For me, like earlier today having no clue what's up with the speex stuff and stereo, had to go look at other's prompting and did find out what's up. |
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| 02:51:04 | dewdude | i still can't believe a voice codec supports stereo. |
| 02:51:20 | jhMikeS | for schizophrenics? |
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| 02:52:18 | Llorean | Well, some crazy people encode separate audio tracks into each of the two channels. |
| 02:52:20 | linuxstb | For spoken-word drama? |
| 02:52:32 | jhMikeS | both side of an argument? |
| 02:52:37 | dewdude | i was trying to figure out a way to say that linuxstb |
| 02:52:37 | safetydan | amiconn, I'm not even sure those printfs should be compiled. I'm looking at redoing the port and synching with the latest SVN of speex at the same time. Those printfs are #ifdef'd out there. |
| 02:53:13 | linuxstb | safetydan: Is speex itself in svn? |
| 02:53:22 | linuxstb | I mean does the speex project use svn? |
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| 02:54:27 | jhMikeS | safetydan: Is encoding capability in that lib? not that I expect realtime atm but at least there. |
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| 02:55:48 | Llorean | Hmm... |
| 02:55:57 | Llorean | Speex plays back slightly faster on my Gigabeat than on my PC. |
| 02:56:27 | Llorean | In less than 15 seconds there's a noticeable difference in the file position now |
| 02:57:13 | Llorean | It looks like it's playing slightly faster than realtime, the elapsed time *looks* like it's going faster than 1 second per second. |
| 02:58:10 | directhex | just to check i'm not *completely* useless, is there anything evidently wrong with http://pastebin.ca/348308 ? |
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| 02:59:58 | Llorean | directhex: To make 'A' the settings reset button? |
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| 03:00:04 | linuxstb | No, but you can simplify it with #elif |
| 03:00:29 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: I was just typing that! rrrr |
| 03:00:59 | directhex | Llorean, yes. i can't be the only one who keeps resetting his settings by accident by leaving 'hold' on before rockbox has completely finished booting |
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| 03:01:44 | artillery2302 | hey i was just here and i installed rockbox it worked i put some songs on it and stuff and then i tunred it off and now i cant get it to come back on |
| 03:01:57 | Domonoky | hm.. linuxstb would it be possible to include the filename of the bootloader in the ipod_t struct ? |
| 03:01:59 | linuxstb | Using hold to reset settings isn't a good choice - it was probably copied from the ipod, which uses hold as the least bad solution. |
| 03:02:09 | directhex | linuxstb, then change it on line 336! well, 332 i suppose without the 4-line patch |
| 03:02:46 | dewdude | linuxstb, didn't that change..or is that if you put hold on after the bootloader goes to rockbox, cuz if i hold right as i power on, it boots of |
| 03:03:20 | linuxstb | Yes, you turn hold on after the bootloader starts. |
| 03:03:41 | Llorean | artillery2302: What happens when you try to turn it on? |
| 03:03:47 | artillery2302 | nothing |
| 03:03:51 | artillery2302 | it just sits there nothing is goin on |
| 03:03:55 | artillery2302 | it was working fine |
| 03:04:07 | artillery2302 | i plugged it in into my computer and still nothing |
| 03:04:10 | Llorean | Turn on hold, turn off hold, and then hold Menu+Select for like 20 seconds. |
| 03:04:16 | artillery2302 | k |
| 03:04:55 | * | Llorean files a couple bug reports re Speex so he doesn't forget them. |
| 03:04:59 | artillery2302 | it finally came up |
| 03:05:04 | artillery2302 | whats up with that |
| 03:05:44 | Llorean | artillery2302: It's a hardware glitch in some iPods, they do that sometimes. We don't know why yet. |
| 03:06:12 | artillery2302 | i figured out how to load themes but the text is like too high up |
| 03:06:23 | artillery2302 | is that normal |
| 03:06:27 | linuxstb | Does the font change when you change theme? |
| 03:06:31 | directhex | good lord it's late. anyway, trivial patch for less annoying settings reset on gigabeat (forces it to be an active 2-handed procedure that no bugger will do by accident, which is what i'd say was the vital bit). licensed under WTFPL version 2. do as you will. ciao. |
| 03:06:36 | artillery2302 | on some of them it does |
| 03:06:44 | Llorean | markun: Do you know, is the Gigabeat supposed to be showing '17mhz' in the audio thread screen? |
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| 03:07:04 | artillery2302 | this is what i did tell me if its wrong i just got the zipped filed and copied and pasted the files from backdrop, font, etc |
| 03:07:09 | artillery2302 | into each of the folder on .rockbox |
| 03:07:27 | Llorean | artillery2302: It may be that the theme you've chosen requires a modified version of Rockbox to work properly |
| 03:07:32 | linuxstb | Llorean: That's probably because CPU frequency is disabled, and the wrong frequency is defined in config-gigabeat.h |
| 03:07:40 | Llorean | artillery2302: Also, many themes use the Chicago font which is no longer included. |
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| 03:08:03 | Llorean | linuxstb: Ah. |
| 03:08:05 | artillery2302 | im using jblack glass |
| 03:08:18 | Big_Mac | Alright just booted up into linux |
| 03:08:19 | Llorean | artillery2302: Yes, that theme requires a heavily modified version of Rockbox. It won't work with the official one. |
| 03:08:38 | artillery2302 | oh so i have to like do abunch of stuff |
| 03:08:49 | Big_Mac | but I can't connect to any sites in firefox using my wireless card so I am guessing I have to set something up |
| 03:08:58 | Big_Mac | but I will go ask in ubuntu |
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| 03:10:43 | artillery2302 | so is this modified one like i have to install abunch of patches and stuff |
| 03:10:58 | artillery2302 | cause the jblack glass really is the best theme ever |
| 03:11:40 | Llorean | artillery2302: You'll have to either compile your own build of Rockbox, or download an unsupported build from the forums (which may have unknown bugs that you will not get help with here) |
| 03:12:28 | artillery2302 | oh okay |
| 03:12:37 | artillery2302 | i think they said on the site that it doesnt support 5.5G yet |
| 03:12:39 | artillery2302 | so i guess i can do it |
| 03:13:26 | artillery2302 | cant |
| 03:18:14 | * | jhMikeS can't stand the suspense knowing there an important taping trial in progress |
| 03:19:26 | artillery2302 | jeeze now i cant get it to recognize its plugged into the computer |
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| 03:25:19 | artillery2302 | so why do i have to use the database instead of file browser? |
| 03:25:47 | Llorean | artillery2302: Because you used iTunes to put your songs on it. |
| 03:25:54 | artillery2302 | oh |
| 03:26:00 | Llorean | iTunes renames the songs to crazy things, making it impossible to easily identify which songs are which. |
| 03:26:17 | artillery2302 | so if would of just like copied and pasted them into a music folder? |
| 03:26:20 | artillery2302 | in .rockbox |
| 03:27:07 | Llorean | Not in /.rockbox/ |
| 03:27:11 | Llorean | Since that's usually hidden. |
| 03:27:15 | artillery2302 | oh |
| 03:27:24 | Llorean | Just make a folder on the device called "Music" and put them in there, is the most common method |
| 03:27:31 | Llorean | THen you can browse into it and play them |
| 03:27:46 | artillery2302 | okay you can play movies with rockbox right? |
| 03:27:59 | Llorean | Not really. |
| 03:28:05 | Llorean | You can play very short video files, at the moment |
| 03:28:10 | hachi | I think that if I use gnupod to load stuff onto my ipod, I can force the filenames to whatever I want... BUT... I think this involves hackery |
| 03:28:25 | artillery2302 | oh |
| 03:28:26 | artillery2302 | i see |
| 03:28:31 | Llorean | hachi: And modern iPod firmwares don't accept that, I think. |
| 03:28:53 | artillery2302 | cool cool |
| 03:29:03 | hachi | I think it works sorta, I tried it already on my 5.5 |
| 03:29:06 | hachi | it may not be perfect |
| 03:29:45 | artillery2302 | i guess its common for my ipod to take forever to show up ? |
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| 03:30:10 | Llorean | hachi: I was led to understand that the iPod firmware doesn't accept filenames outside the ipod_control folder, or longer than a certain length. |
| 03:30:13 | hachi | 20 seconds or so for me |
| 03:30:22 | artillery2302 | im on a mac |
| 03:30:24 | Llorean | artillery2302: OSX doesn't like Fat32 for some reason. |
| 03:30:29 | artillery2302 | yeah |
| 03:30:34 | artillery2302 | i think im gonna restore my ipod |
| 03:30:34 | hachi | oh, the ipod_Control part I could understand, and possibly tht length as well |
| 03:30:51 | artillery2302 | if it ever shows up |
| 03:31:10 | Llorean | hachi: So it works, but only in a very limited sense, I think. |
| 03:31:32 | hachi | mmm, agreed |
| 03:32:08 | Llorean | But Rockbox is really intended for those people who want to leave the Apple firmware behind anyway. |
| 03:33:47 | artillery2302 | i see |
| 03:33:52 | artillery2302 | i like to watch movies on my ipod |
| 03:33:59 | artillery2302 | so i guess i need to stick with the original firmware |
| 03:34:33 | safetydan | jhMikeS, I believe encoding is included in the lib |
| 03:34:40 | safetydan | linuxstb, yes speex uses subversion |
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| 03:35:01 | Llorean | artillery2302: You are aware it dual boots, right? |
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| 03:35:10 | artillery2302 | yeah |
| 03:35:27 | jhMikeS | safetydan: ah, good...hopefully speex_enc.codec isn't too far off then |
| 03:35:50 | safetydan | jhMikeS, hopefully so |
| 03:35:52 | artillery2302 | rockbox is awesome |
| 03:36:18 | artillery2302 | i just wish it worked better with macs |
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| 03:40:47 | Llorean | artillery2302: It's Macs that work poorly with Fat32 formatted drives in general. Hardly Rockbox's fault in that instance at least. |
| 03:41:34 | * | Llorean wonders if the 'recording' screen could have as an input option 'file' for transcoding. |
| 03:41:39 | artillery2302 | yeah |
| 03:41:43 | artillery2302 | sorry i didnt mean it that way |
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| 03:43:43 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Good or bad faint? |
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| 03:45:42 | jhMikeS | Llorean: kind of on the bad side...wondering what sort of rework that would need...much easier if files are converted to pcm first but two codecs can't load simultaneously |
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| 03:46:24 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Yeah, but you could just decode 20mb of the file into RAM, swap codecs, encode, write, repeat? |
| 03:47:07 | Llorean | It's not like you don't have to spin the disk often anyway to read more file. |
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| 03:47:18 | jhMikeS | yes, if voice is moved out of the way somehow and then do as you suggest |
| 03:47:33 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Why does voice need to be removed? |
| 03:48:01 | Llorean | Aren't both encode and decode codecs linked to the same location? |
| 03:49:06 | Llorean | I'm not suggesting it should be done now, or that it might be remotely easy, just contemplating that as an alternative for if encoders we want end up not being realtime. |
| 03:49:07 | jhMikeS | they are, but a goal was to free 512KB of memory and only use one buffer instead of one for voice and one for audio |
| 03:49:21 | Llorean | Aaah |
| 03:49:51 | jhMikeS | but then again, if the disk is already spun... |
| 03:50:56 | Llorean | Transcoding is going to be a disk-heavy activity pretty much no matter what. |
| 03:54:40 | jhMikeS | 20MB goes by suprisingly fast though...perhaps could combine the encoder/decoder into one codec...sometimes things that strike me as nightmarish at first turn out not to be so bad on thinking it through |
| 03:56:00 | Llorean | How would transforming them into on codec help for transcoding, or is that something else entirely? |
| 03:57:08 | jhMikeS | never mind, we're talking transcoding...:D My brain goes all kinds of wrong places at first. |
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| 03:58:30 | Llorean | Hehehe |
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| 03:59:06 | jhMikeS | Swapping like that might just be the thing to do and would seem like a single step |
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| 03:59:44 | Llorean | I just realized that transcoding might make more sense as a 'file' input in the recording screen (from a user perspective) than creating some special interface just for it. |
| 03:59:50 | Llorean | Though I'm not really sure, honestly. |
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| 04:00:07 | Llorean | Transcoding on-target should be fairly rare anyway. |
| 04:00:34 | Llorean | But at the same time, the times when a user's going to wish they had it are most likely the times where the only alternative is deleting things for space. |
| 04:00:35 | jhMikeS | Then I'd say "plugin" |
| 04:02:13 | Llorean | Probably |
| 04:04:01 | Domonoky | domonoky/rbutil.zip">http://www.b23.org/~domonoky/rbutil.zip <- new rbutil with support for Iaudio/gigabeat/ipod and reworked Bootloader install Wizard (completly untested) :-) |
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| 04:07:44 | JerryLange | hello everybody |
| 04:09:55 | TrueJournals | hello |
| 04:10:42 | JerryLange | whats new? |
| 04:11:12 | TrueJournals | working on my mencoder frontend... |
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| 04:12:29 | AriX_ | hey all |
| 04:12:43 | TrueJournals | hey |
| 04:13:22 | AriX_ | er this is stupid but... anyone know how to checkout svn from rockbox |
| 04:13:27 | AriX_ | i dont know the servername or anything |
| 04:13:31 | AriX_ | then again i didn't search much.. |
| 04:13:46 | TrueJournals | use the command svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk (directory to put source) |
| 04:14:00 | AriX_ | thanks a ton |
| 04:14:04 | TrueJournals | directory to put source in is optional... if you don't put it, it'll make the directory "trunk" |
| 04:14:07 | TrueJournals | no problem |
| 04:14:17 | AriX_ | im compiling ipodpatcher for mac cause the pre-compiled one doesn't work... |
| 04:14:37 | AriX_ | ugh.. nvm i wont be doing that righ tnow... developer tools stopped working.. |
| 04:14:41 | AriX_ | oh well |
| 04:14:42 | TrueJournals | lol |
| 04:14:46 | AriX_ | thanks anyway, ill save this lol |
| 04:14:50 | AriX_ | i dont have time to fix it now |
| 04:14:53 | TrueJournals | no problem |
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| 04:58:58 | safetydan | woo... latest SVN of speex compiles |
| 04:59:01 | safetydan | now for testing |
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| 05:08:30 | safetydan | well that didn't go so well |
| 05:08:35 | Llorean | No good? |
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| 05:11:53 | safetydan | it just didn't work |
| 05:12:00 | safetydan | looks like I need to adjust some of the stub functions |
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| 05:14:48 | safetydan | woo! |
| 05:14:50 | safetydan | now it works |
| 05:14:54 | Llorean | Woo! |
| 05:15:12 | safetydan | So stereo files are a bit of a problem? |
| 05:15:19 | Llorean | They didn't work at all for me. |
| 05:15:30 | Llorean | Sounded quite strange |
| 05:16:24 | safetydan | that'll be my first thing to test then |
| 05:16:45 | Llorean | safetydan: I've also put two other bugs in the tracker regarding Speex |
| 05:17:58 | safetydan | Llorean, those may be beyond my ability to fix. At the moment I'm just hoping the latest speex source will fix most things |
| 05:18:24 | Llorean | safetydan: I just meant that if you're watching for things, you may want to be aware of those two as well |
| 05:18:27 | safetydan | woo boy... ultra-wide band does not work at all |
| 05:18:46 | Llorean | Stereo or mono? |
| 05:18:50 | safetydan | stereo |
| 05:18:54 | jhMikeS | safetydan: It sends bytes to the pcm buffer, it should send samples/channel now. Maybe you changed that already in pcmbuf_insert? Set ch2 to NULL as well, it is ignored for interleaved audio. |
| 05:19:38 | safetydan | jhMikeS, I think I've correctly changed the buffer insert call now |
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| 05:20:21 | jhMikeS | ah, ok...then just call me a bonehead for talking about it so much lately :) |
| 05:20:46 | safetydan | now worries, I saw you mention it in the logs and remembered to fix it :) |
| 05:20:51 | safetydan | no worries even |
| 05:24:49 | safetydan | okay, now UWB files in stereo work |
| 05:24:53 | safetydan | sort of |
| 05:24:59 | Llorean | Sort of? |
| 05:26:24 | safetydan | actually they seem to work fine |
| 05:26:30 | safetydan | speex just doesn't work well on music |
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| 05:27:24 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 05:28:35 | safetydan | Llorean, http://iocaine.org/speex_svn.patch.gz if you want to try |
| 05:29:58 | Llorean | safetydan: In about 11 minutes I can test that |
| 05:30:03 | safetydan | cool |
| 05:30:13 | safetydan | Though I just realised I've disabled the arm optimisations |
| 05:30:27 | Llorean | I'll be testing on gigabeat, it may still be realtime. ;) |
| 05:31:54 | safetydan | That 300 MHz beast is going to be the death of optimisation in Rockbox :) |
| 05:33:47 | Llorean | Hahaha |
| 05:34:00 | Llorean | Especially since it seems to have better battery life at 300mhz than at 100... |
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| 05:41:46 | Llorean | Froze your H100? |
| 05:41:49 | safetydan | pretty much |
| 05:41:53 | Llorean | Woo! |
| 05:41:55 | safetydan | sits there and spins the HDD |
| 05:42:07 | safetydan | this is going to be fun to figure out |
| 05:42:47 | Llorean | Does that mean I shouldn't be trying this patch just yet? |
| 05:42:57 | safetydan | Does the GigaBeat have a reset pin? |
| 05:43:04 | Llorean | It has a battery switch |
| 05:43:10 | Llorean | Essentially the same thing |
| 05:43:17 | safetydan | Caveat Emptor :) |
| 05:43:21 | safetydan | but probably not at the moment |
| 05:44:02 | Llorean | I'll wait until the non-crash version comes out, that way any strange behaviour I find will be post 'fix' |
| 05:44:10 | Llorean | :-P |
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| 05:51:59 | safetydan | Dammit, this is annoying. It works flawlessly in the sim. |
| 05:52:20 | Llorean | That's... unusual. |
| 05:52:30 | Llorean | Isn't the sim usually where the strange audio problems crop up? |
| 05:52:55 | safetydan | usually, but not this time |
| 05:53:09 | Llorean | Weird |
| 05:53:54 | safetydan | well time for a ccache clean and a really clean build |
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| 06:09:38 | safetydan | well that didn't fix it |
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| 06:10:16 | Llorean | Ah, debug output. |
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| 06:23:57 | imforpbj | okay I want to get an old school ipod mini |
| 06:24:21 | imforpbj | is the build for it stable enough to actually use from day to day? |
| 06:25:02 | Llorean | I don't know how battery life is, but other than that it should be yes. |
| 06:25:39 | imforpbj | does battery life take a serios hit for the archos models? |
| 06:26:01 | Llorean | No, the Archos models actually have improved battery life with Rockbox |
| 06:26:26 | Llorean | But the Portalplayer targets (including iPods) suffer at the moment because there are many aspects of the chip we don't know anything about yet. |
| 06:26:27 | imforpbj | haha darn |
| 06:27:46 | imforpbj | the model Archos I want is rather difficult to come across |
| 06:27:51 | imforpbj | even on ebay |
| 06:27:56 | Llorean | Which one? |
| 06:28:34 | imforpbj | the Archos Recorder v1 |
| 06:28:44 | imforpbj | any size would do |
| 06:28:59 | imforpbj | I'm working with a 256meg thumb drive now |
| 06:29:02 | imforpbj | haha |
| 06:29:08 | Llorean | Not a bad player at all, as long as you don't mind format restrictions. |
| 06:29:57 | imforpbj | like what? |
| 06:30:06 | imforpbj | I thought I knew everything |
| 06:30:08 | imforpbj | :/ |
| 06:30:28 | Llorean | The Archos models only support MP3 (and in the future some of them maybe WAV) |
| 06:30:49 | Llorean | Well, MP2/MP3 I guess. |
| 06:30:49 | imforpbj | damn! |
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| 06:31:16 | Llorean | They decode using a piece of hardware, having very slow processors otherwise. |
| 06:31:25 | imforpbj | the whole point for me is to get a cheap and pratical solution to use FLAC |
| 06:31:34 | Llorean | All the other players decode in software on faster microprocessors. |
| 06:31:43 | imforpbj | i see |
| 06:32:02 | imforpbj | thats why there isnt a build for 1st/2nd gen ipods |
| 06:32:14 | imforpbj | shitty processor for what you're doing |
| 06:32:23 | Llorean | No, there's not a build for 1st/2nd gen iPods because nobody with one has worked on it. |
| 06:33:04 | Llorean | The third generation iPod uses the exact same processor. |
| 06:33:28 | imforpbj | then why would'nt the build be the same? |
| 06:33:36 | imforpbj | whats diffrent? |
| 06:33:39 | Llorean | Because there's a lot of other hardware that's different |
| 06:33:56 | Llorean | The audio chip for one thing. |
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| 06:34:54 | Llorean | Since iPod Linux has already done a lot of the work, having a build for it probably wouldn't be *too* hard in the grand scale of things, but until someone actually *has* one of those players and does it, there won't be builds for it. |
| 06:35:24 | imforpbj | hmmkay |
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| 06:35:49 | imforpbj | I see ipod minis for around 90usd at buy it now prices |
| 06:36:29 | Llorean | With Rockbox you can expect about halved battery life from what they normally get, I believe, though it may be slightly better on the Minis. |
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| 06:37:22 | Llorean | But if an Archos Recorder is acceptable then you might wanna look at the Gigabeat. |
| 06:37:41 | imforpbj | just the F-series right? |
| 06:37:42 | Llorean | Smaller than the Archos, runs Rockbox well, and the Gigabeat F series (which is the one supported, them and the X series) aren't too hard to find |
| 06:38:29 | imforpbj | only 1 buy it now for 170 |
| 06:38:31 | imforpbj | :/ |
| 06:39:26 | imforpbj | is there a size limit like with the ipods? |
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| 06:40:02 | Llorean | Size limit? |
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| 06:40:52 | imforpbj | well the ipod 80GB wasnt supported |
| 06:41:10 | Llorean | That's nothing to do with a size limit. |
| 06:41:25 | imforpbj | cool |
| 06:41:30 | Llorean | That has to do with it having a strange drive in it which required extra effort to support |
| 06:42:36 | imforpbj | like how some stuff doesnt support SD cards larger than 2G beacuse of the file structure? |
| 06:42:42 | imforpbj | (fat) |
| 06:42:44 | imforpbj | ? |
| 06:42:56 | Llorean | To an extent. |
| 06:43:35 | imforpbj | okay |
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| 06:47:15 | imforpbj | the lcd driver for the f series is a 50% |
| 06:47:23 | imforpbj | what does that mean? |
| 06:47:32 | imforpbj | half brightness> |
| 06:48:27 | Llorean | No, it means that there's still work to be done on it. |
| 06:48:44 | Llorean | In this case it works, but still has room for improvement. |
| 06:49:06 | Llorean | It should probably be higher than 50% now though |
| 06:49:06 | imforpbj | allright |
| 06:49:12 | imforpbj | thanks for your help |
| 06:49:16 | Llorean | I personally have several Rockbox players. |
| 06:49:31 | Llorean | The Gigabeat one is definitely ready for everyday use, far more than I consider the iPod one. |
| 06:49:32 | imforpbj | whats your favorite? |
| 06:49:37 | imforpbj | ahhh |
| 06:49:39 | Llorean | My favorite is the iRiver H120 |
| 06:49:45 | Llorean | But those are pretty hard to come by too |
| 06:49:52 | imforpbj | my buddy has one |
| 06:49:59 | imforpbj | line in, FM |
| 06:50:06 | Llorean | Yup |
| 06:50:13 | imforpbj | dual boot firmware on the h120, right? |
| 06:50:20 | Llorean | On most of them. |
| 06:50:26 | Llorean | It's not working on the Gigabeat yet though |
| 06:50:32 | imforpbj | right |
| 06:50:34 | imforpbj | okay |
| 06:50:39 | Llorean | Instead it has a "restore" button, where if you hold it down while booting it restores the original firmware |
| 06:51:11 | imforpbj | but erases the rockbox? |
| 06:51:18 | Llorean | It just removes the bootloader |
| 06:51:30 | Llorean | You can reinstall that very easily from a computer, and none of your Rockbox settings are lost. |
| 06:51:39 | Llorean | But really there's no good reason to go back to the original firmware. |
| 06:52:17 | imforpbj | roght |
| 06:52:20 | imforpbj | right |
| 06:52:36 | imforpbj | allright im goin to hit the sack |
| 06:52:48 | imforpbj | but I'll be back soon when I'm ready for a purchase |
| 06:52:51 | imforpbj | thanks again |
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| 07:01:45 | Llorean | safetydan: Was the freeze just random, or did it seemed like something triggered it by the way? |
| 07:02:13 | safetydan | Llorean, immediately on load of a Speex file |
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| 07:03:58 | klaxian | i'm trying to play a speex file on the latest build and it doesn't work |
| 07:04:15 | klaxian | is it really not expected to work yet? i know it's pretty beta |
| 07:05:11 | Llorean | klaxian: It seems to have some problems right now, yes, though it'll work with some files |
| 07:05:17 | klaxian | i just get a series of short tones and then the player practically freezes but eventually i can get to another song |
| 07:05:28 | klaxian | Llorean: ok cool, glad im' not the only one |
| 07:05:54 | klaxian | Llorean: perhaps the VBR encoding is screwing it up |
| 07:06:27 | Llorean | It's possible. |
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| 07:08:09 | safetydan | klaxian, simple mono files seem to work well enough |
| 07:08:26 | safetydan | maybe I should just commit the stereo fix now |
| 07:08:37 | klaxian | safetydan: ah, i see...yes i'm trying stereo files |
| 07:08:52 | klaxian | safetydan: it's no big deal...you guys do a great job! |
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| 07:10:26 | klaxian | i have audio books on cd that seem like perfect speex candidates :) |
| 07:10:33 | klaxian | the files get really small |
| 07:11:52 | safetydan | well hopefully stereo decoding should work after the commit I just did |
| 07:12:03 | klaxian | safetydan: oh, awesome! |
| 07:12:28 | klaxian | when will the next build be created? i will test it |
| 07:12:57 | safetydan | klaxian, "Build expected to complete around 06:20:30 (in 7mins 54secs)" |
| 07:13:05 | safetydan | that'll be UTC time |
| 07:13:17 | klaxian | right...ok :) |
| 07:13:45 | klaxian | ah, i see that on the site now |
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| 07:18:00 | Llorean | safetydan: With your patch it still plays back too fast, by the way, so apparently updating to SVN Speex doesn't fix that. =/ |
| 07:18:24 | safetydan | Llorean, you tried the patch I posted before and it worked? Odd. |
| 07:18:30 | Llorean | Yeah, it works |
| 07:18:44 | safetydan | But yeah, I think the elapsed time calculation isn't done correctly |
| 07:18:52 | safetydan | it's probably still per byte rather than per sample |
| 07:18:53 | Llorean | It's not the elapsed time calculation |
| 07:19:01 | Llorean | It actually plays back faster than the same file on my PC. |
| 07:19:19 | Llorean | If I get them exactly in sync, within half a minute the Gigabeat is a word ahead. |
| 07:19:33 | Llorean | Well, a significant portion of a word, at least |
| 07:19:42 | safetydan | bah, still causes a lock up on my h120 |
| 07:20:19 | Llorean | Well, I'm playing a 16khz Mono file. |
| 07:21:25 | Llorean | Anyway, the patch fixes neither of the problems I posted on the tracker, unfortunately |
| 07:22:00 | klaxian | i'm testing now... |
| 07:22:03 | Llorean | Which I guess really just means they aren't speex problems, but 'speex as a rockbox codec' problems |
| 07:23:02 | klaxian | my speex files don't play at all after the patch...not even weird tones |
| 07:23:17 | klaxian | they also crash the player now :-P |
| 07:24:04 | Llorean | klaxian: I assume you mean the most recent SVN build. |
| 07:24:08 | klaxian | Llorean: yes |
| 07:24:24 | Llorean | Be careful when saying 'patch' as it usually means an actual patch (which is what I was referring to) |
| 07:24:33 | klaxian | ah, sorry |
| 07:24:53 | klaxian | anyway, i'd be happy to send you guys the files i'm trying if you want to test |
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| 07:34:10 | safetydan | klaxian, odd that they don't work for you |
| 07:34:30 | klaxian | safetydan: would you like to test the files i'm trying? |
| 07:34:41 | klaxian | klaxian.no-ip.org/~rgabriel/speex_test/">http://klaxian.no-ip.org/~rgabriel/speex_test/ |
| 07:34:45 | klaxian | i put them there |
| 07:34:53 | safetydan | klaxian, at the moment I'm just trying to get it working on my H120, but sample files are welcome |
| 07:34:54 | klaxian | they are all the same track, but encoded differently |
| 07:35:17 | klaxian | the lossless original is there in FLAC too |
| 07:35:40 | klaxian | the numbers indicate quality settings |
| 07:35:43 | safetydan | cheers |
| 07:35:55 | klaxian | :) |
| 07:36:13 | klaxian | let me know if they work on your player |
| 07:37:50 | safetydan | klaxian, they don't work very well do they |
| 07:37:54 | safetydan | nice buzzing noise |
| 07:38:07 | klaxian | yah |
| 07:38:22 | klaxian | it's a nice change of pace from music, but it gets annoying after a while :-P |
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| 07:50:20 | safetydan | aha, it would seem the problem is VBR files |
| 07:51:34 | safetydan | if you encode your speex files as cbr they should work |
| 07:51:43 | safetydan | no idea why vbr doesn't work |
| 07:53:41 | safetydan | ah, looks like VBR playback hasn't been converted to fixed-point yet |
| 07:54:07 | klaxian | ah, alrighty |
| 07:54:27 | klaxian | thanks for looking into it |
| 07:54:41 | klaxian | we're waiting on the speex folks for that, right? |
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| 07:56:21 | safetydan | klaxian, probably |
| 07:57:27 | klaxian | safetydan: ok, thanks for the info :) and let me know if there's anything more i can do to help |
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| 09:09:44 | petur | today's irc log doesn't display (anymore) in IE, it complains about an error on line 2 (document.Stylesheets.1.cssRules.0 is null or not an object) |
| 09:10:09 | petur | firefox seems to work but never finishes loading here |
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| 09:11:19 | petur | and the page starts with −−Delimiter Content-type: text/html which surely isn't ok |
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| 09:18:18 | hcs | preglow: I tried doing noninterleaved 32-bit, but only got silence |
| 09:18:23 | hcs | 16-bit seems to work |
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| 09:22:40 | amiconn | petur: When did you last use the irc logs? |
| 09:22:59 | amiconn | Zagor's new log viewer is supposed to do that (not the error in ie, but the "eternal" loading). It's updating live. |
| 09:23:48 | amiconn | You can hit stop if you don't want it to. |
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| 09:25:27 | Genre9mp3 | There's always the "view raw" link that leads you to the txt file itself |
| 09:25:27 | amiconn | Hmm, I get a different error in IE. |
| 09:26:11 | amiconn | At the top of the page, I get: |
| 09:26:13 | amiconn | −−Delimiter Content-type: text/html |
| 09:26:22 | amiconn | ...which isn't there in firefox |
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| 09:26:56 | amiconn | Then it displays up to #rockbox log for 2007-02-10 and throws a javascript error |
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| 09:28:17 | amiconn | petur: What IE version did you test on? IE6SP1 here. |
| 09:29:10 | amiconn | The older logs work in IE, it's just the current one that doesn't |
| 09:29:55 | petur | amiconn: I mentioned the javascript error and the extra line |
| 09:30:17 | petur | IE6SP1 |
| 09:30:57 | amiconn | Ah. Somehow I didn't get that you meant a *javascript* error |
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| 09:31:53 | amiconn | The older logs also throw a javascript error... |
| 09:34:35 | * | petur isn't quite awake yet |
| 09:34:50 | petur | damn real life |
| 09:35:39 | amiconn | Looks like a dom problem |
| 09:35:50 | * | amiconn guesses that Zagor didn't test on IE |
| 09:36:01 | petur | jhMikeS: I'm all set for recording with your latest patch, did a one-hour test recording which went fine |
| 09:37:00 | petur | amiconn: the funny part about your 'Looks like a dom problem' is that dom means stupid (in Dutch) :) |
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| 09:37:45 | amiconn | hehe, but I'm sure you know what I meant :) |
| 09:37:57 | petur | yeah ;) |
| 09:38:26 | amiconn | Dutch ist often not far from german |
| 09:38:40 | petur | indeed |
| 09:39:31 | petur | right, gtg, real life is calling :/ |
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| 09:50:18 | hcs | hmm, it looks like setting bitdepth to 32 doesn't work, I have to use something like 24 |
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| 10:19:53 | safetydan | Do coldfire targets have a problem with unaligned reads/writes? |
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| 10:28:49 | decayedcell | does Rockbox read from ID3v2 over ID3v1 or the other way round |
| 10:29:26 | Genre9mp3 | decayedcell: there's a setting for that |
| 10:29:30 | safetydan | decayedcell, you can choose which one to read |
| 10:29:41 | Genre9mp3 | I _think_ it's v2 over v1 by default |
| 10:30:31 | decayedcell | ah alright. That would explain the Untagged entries I'm getting |
| 10:30:59 | decayedcell | would it be possible add a feature to Rockbox to read from v1 if v2 is missing? |
| 10:31:17 | pixelma | I think it does... |
| 10:31:36 | Genre9mp3 | decayedcell: ISN'T THAT THE CASE ALREADY? |
| 10:31:37 | decayedcell | hmm well on my iPod it doesn't seem to be doing that |
| 10:31:44 | Genre9mp3 | oops... sorry for caps |
| 10:32:09 | decayedcell | the tags are definitely there, but rockbox still classes some of my songs as untagged =/ |
| 10:32:55 | GodEater | what are you using to double check the tags presence? |
| 10:33:29 | pixelma | did you check what type of tags these are, some programs seem to add vorbis comments to mp3s instead of ID3 which doesn't work in rockbox |
| 10:33:58 | decayedcell | Tag&Rename 3.3 checked against iTunes too |
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| 10:35:47 | decayedcell | ah yes there is a V2 then V1 priority |
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| 10:37:18 | pixelma | to avoid confusion - vorbis comments work in rockbox in connection with ogg-vorbis files |
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| 10:38:52 | decayedcell | how do I check the type of tag |
| 10:39:48 | decayedcell | if it appears in iTunes and Tag&Rename it must be ID3 right? |
| 10:41:49 | Genre9mp3 | decayedcell: You can check with a tagger like Mp3Tag |
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| 10:49:33 | linuxstb | Bagder: Can you make another ipodpatcher update? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher-0.8.zip |
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| 10:50:27 | Bagder | done! |
| 10:51:09 | linuxstb | Thankyou sir. |
| 10:51:38 | linuxstb | Can you delete macosx/ipodpatcher? It's now a .dmg file. |
| 10:52:03 | Bagder | ok |
| 10:52:56 | * | safetydan slaps speex around with a large trout |
| 10:53:00 | safetydan | though it's probably my fault |
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| 10:53:47 | hcs | no comma at the end of the line for its entry in id3.c |
| 10:53:51 | linuxstb | I'ld like to move tools/ipodpatcher to rbutil/ipodpatcher (to help incorporation in rbutil). I tried "svn mv tools/ipodpatcher rbutil/ipodpatcher", but that didn't seem to work properly - it seemed to delete the files in tools/ipodpatcher, but not add them to rbutil/ipodpatcher. |
| 10:54:46 | linuxstb | amiconn: Can you build an amd64 binary for ipodpatcher with the bootloaders embedded? The Makefile contains instructions. |
| 10:55:14 | safetydan | hcs, fixed |
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| 10:55:37 | hcs | safetydan: thanks,before or after I noted that? |
| 10:55:57 | safetydan | before, but I wasn't going to commit it until I got this synched version of speex sorted |
| 10:56:18 | safetydan | but now it's comitted so |
| 10:56:28 | hcs | ok, just enough change to break the new spc patch compensating for speex... |
| 10:56:38 | safetydan | ah, sorry about that |
| 10:59:19 | safetydan | Well if someone else feels like working out why this works on arm (well GigaBeat at least) and the simulator but not coldfire, that'd be grand |
| 10:59:20 | safetydan | http://iocaine.org/speex-svn.diff.gz |
| 10:59:31 | safetydan | Locks up hard on my H120 |
| 10:59:49 | hcs | endianness? |
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| 11:00:10 | safetydan | hcs, hrm... I thought I checked that. arm isn't the same endianess as x86 is it? |
| 11:00:21 | hcs | the arms we use are little endian |
| 11:00:58 | safetydan | hcs, I believe you may be a genius :) |
| 11:01:28 | Bagder | h120 is m68k which is big endian |
| 11:01:39 | hcs | join the hcs fan club today |
| 11:01:54 | hcs | single-digit membership numbers still available! |
| 11:02:09 | Genre9mp3 | where do I sign in that club? |
| 11:02:39 | hcs | just send your membership fee to... |
| 11:03:11 | Genre9mp3 | Will I get monthly spc compilations, too? |
| 11:05:25 | * | safetydan revokes membership |
| 11:05:28 | safetydan | that wasn't it :( |
| 11:05:28 | hcs | aw |
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| 11:16:08 | JdGordon | hey all |
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| 11:23:36 | JdGordon | is speex the text->speech engine or something else? |
| 11:23:53 | merbanan | JdGordon: it's an audio codec |
| 11:24:22 | JdGordon | hmm... nuts... |
| 11:24:29 | * | JdGordon wonders why he thought it was text to speechh |
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| 11:25:47 | amiconn | linuxstb: Built, and it seems to work. |
| 11:26:22 | linuxstb | Thanks. (pings Bagder) |
| 11:26:49 | amiconn | Why does ipodpatcher output the ipod type twice? |
| 11:27:07 | amiconn | s/type/model/ |
| 11:28:00 | linuxstb | I guess that's the scan function displaying it, and then the main code. So just something I didn't fix... |
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| 11:38:21 | JdGordon | anyone have an idea what to call the current main menu in the root menu? "configure rockbox" ? |
| 11:38:44 | JdGordon | I dont want to use "manage settings" because it has a manage settings submenu under it... |
| 11:38:51 | linuxstb | Why not just "Settings" ? |
| 11:39:06 | JdGordon | went we going for verbs? |
| 11:39:10 | JdGordon | wernt* |
| 11:39:35 | JdGordon | thats not a word is it? :p |
| 11:39:35 | petur | wernt? |
| 11:39:39 | linuxstb | Only if you listen to me... |
| 11:39:50 | bluebrother | so, what's left in the old main menu? Anything else than configuration? |
| 11:39:59 | JdGordon | we have to decide |
| 11:40:08 | JdGordon | I think rockbox info might be best in the root also now |
| 11:40:33 | JdGordon | which would leave browse themes as the only non setting sub item |
| 11:41:02 | linuxstb | I think "Rockbox Info" would be better in the settings menu, even if it doesn't really belong there. |
| 11:41:16 | linuxstb | It seems too rare an entry to deserve a place in the root menu. |
| 11:41:16 | petur | please keep the number of entries limited. Otherwise we're scrolling around and another 10 seconds away from what we want to do with our dap |
| 11:41:48 | JdGordon | hopefully it will be under 1 screen on all targets except the player |
| 11:42:25 | bluebrother | Hmm. This still sounds like introducing a new menu screen. I don't thing having an additional screen is helpful |
| 11:42:42 | linuxstb | What do people think about "Now Playing" changing its title to something like "Resume Playback" when music is stopped? |
| 11:43:00 | linuxstb | (and is that easy in the new menu architecture?) |
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| 11:43:57 | JdGordon | well the root menu doesnt use the new menu system... It probably could, but doesnt really need to (although, I just realised radio will always be there if radio COnFIG_TUNER is defined |
| 11:44:08 | bluebrother | btw, any news on the root screen itself? Can I set an arbitrary screen as root and not back up to somewhere else from there? |
| 11:44:56 | linuxstb | I don't think that's the idea - the root menu will always be the root, but you can configure an entry which is selected automatically on boot. |
| 11:44:58 | JdGordon | you can set any of the screens as the first screen that loads when rb loads |
| 11:45:42 | bluebrother | yes, but can I back out to the root menu with left from that screen? I could with the old patch, and if I set a browser view as root screen I don't think this is good |
| 11:45:59 | JdGordon | hmm, yeah, the root menu wont work very well with the new menu system, but changing its name could be done in a hacky way |
| 11:46:05 | amiconn | JdGordon: Hmm, that needs fixing then. |
| 11:46:07 | linuxstb | But I think we should try and keep the shortcuts between screens - e.g. NAVI on iriver will take a user from the WPS to the file browser, and PLAY will take users back from the file browser to the WPS. |
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| 11:46:14 | JdGordon | amiconn: which? |
| 11:46:17 | amiconn | On some targets, the radio might or might not be present |
| 11:46:28 | JdGordon | yeah, of course |
| 11:46:29 | linuxstb | (but via the root menu screen in a clean way). |
| 11:46:39 | JdGordon | bluebrother: yes, ill fix that |
| 11:47:26 | bluebrother | still, I think we should understand the root menu as a new main menu, and an option to set an arbitrary screen as startup screen |
| 11:47:39 | bluebrother | and toggle the new root menu the same way we did for the old main menu |
| 11:47:40 | JdGordon | yes, thats bassically how it will work |
| 11:48:08 | bluebrother | ok, I'll wait for the next patch then. The discussion partly sounds a bit different |
| 11:48:25 | bluebrother | but if it's only me understanding it a bit different then there's no problem ;-) |
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| 11:49:12 | * | bluebrother wants to keep the overall feel of Rockbox he has now as that's quite good |
| 11:49:16 | * | JdGordon isnt exactly sure how to hide the fm screen "nicely" |
| 11:49:51 | pixelma | what linuxstb says is important IMO - I don't want to go from wps to file browser/ data base view via the root menu (i.e. additional navigating) to add new songs... though I have to admit that I didn't have a look how it works so far |
| 11:51:11 | bluebrother | with a flat hierarchy that could be quite consistent −− navi goes to browser (depending on the setting database of file view), play goes to wps, mode to the menu |
| 11:51:13 | JdGordon | I'm tihnking the rec button would be usefull to go files > db > wps > files |
| 11:51:33 | bluebrother | remember not all targets having a rec button |
| 11:51:53 | bluebrother | and the tapers would prefer using that button to go to the recording screen I assume |
| 11:52:03 | JdGordon | I know... but it would work well on the hxxxs |
| 11:52:26 | bluebrother | IMO it should work well on all targets |
| 11:52:42 | pixelma | I second that :) |
| 11:53:56 | bluebrother | otherwise that would create an "xyz optimized" build in svn ... |
| 11:54:35 | JdGordon | ok, please have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RootMenu and figure out the language and order, ill code whatever is on that page... (also what the root of the main menu should look like when this is in) |
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| 11:55:57 | decayedcell | well the three browsers should be together I think, that would be neater |
| 11:56:24 | JdGordon | 3 browsers? |
| 11:56:29 | JdGordon | oh, plugins |
| 11:56:44 | JdGordon | no, plugins should be at the bottom, and db should be hideable.. |
| 11:56:47 | decayedcell | why not just have Music |
| 11:56:52 | decayedcell | instead of Database Browser |
| 11:57:14 | pixelma | hmm... I assume button mappings are the same for both H10s? |
| 11:57:29 | decayedcell | and instead of Browse Plugins, just Plugins? |
| 11:57:37 | decayedcell | KISS principle |
| 11:58:12 | JdGordon | buttons are the other thing that needs to be figued out... |
| 11:58:21 | pixelma | decayedcell: Database Browser and File Browser can both access your music... |
| 11:58:46 | bluebrother | ok, you could label it "Music" and "Filesystem" |
| 11:58:46 | decayedcell | yes but I think people would rather browse through ID3 tags rather that files pixelma |
| 11:58:56 | pixelma | ? |
| 11:58:58 | bluebrother | decayedcell, that heavily depends |
| 11:58:58 | pixelma | not me |
| 11:59:06 | * | bluebrother prefers file system view |
| 11:59:19 | decayedcell | Would it be possible to customise the root menu view |
| 11:59:25 | bluebrother | nooo! |
| 11:59:28 | XavierGr | hcs: what are your commit plans regarding the spc patch? |
| 11:59:50 | pixelma | JdGordon: nothing to do with the root menu, I'm just looking at FS 6594 |
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| 12:00:28 | JdGordon | decayedcell: there is a possibility that there will be a "user menu" item in the root which will be able to shorcut to certain menus in the system... but dont tell anyone because we havnt discussed this :p |
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| 12:01:25 | pixelma | decayedcell: file view works correctly even with untagged files (unless you are using ipods/H10 with their music managing software...) |
| 12:01:28 | decayedcell | I also think that games and plugins should be separated. The plugins list is getting rather lengthy in my opinion |
| 12:02:00 | decayedcell | yeah I know pixelma, was just my point of view :p. Perhaps a poll should be setup on the forums |
| 12:03:23 | JdGordon | decayedcell: yes plugins should be organised, but no one can be bothereed :p |
| 12:03:32 | pixelma | no... I think the neat thing about the root menu could be that you can easily switch between file browser/data base view... |
| 12:03:59 | bluebrother | IMO the browse plugins view should support subfolders, so one could easily organize them |
| 12:04:14 | Lear | Doesn't it already? |
| 12:04:29 | bluebrother | no. Tried it a couple of days ago |
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| 12:05:01 | Lear | It uses the normal "file browse" code... |
| 12:05:01 | decayedcell | Hmm does anyone here use the Recent Bookmarks function? |
| 12:05:26 | bluebrother | I even looked into the code, but found it to be a needs-more-than-5-minutes (unless you are used to the code) |
| 12:07:18 | decayedcell | I think the root menu should resemble as much as possible (with a rockbox twist) the 'root menu's of the original firmware of the targets that rockbox supports. I believe it would make the switch from the original firmware to rockbox a bit less of a jump |
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| 12:08:07 | JdGordon | bluebrother: the plugins browser doesnt allow subdirs? wtf? |
| 12:08:29 | JdGordon | decayedcell: we are innotvating... not immitating |
| 12:08:31 | bluebrother | it didn't show them the last time I tried. Let me check again. |
| 12:09:35 | bluebrother | nope. I created a subfolder in .rockbox/rocks and put a plugin there. The folder doesn't show up |
| 12:09:54 | JdGordon | hmm... ok, thats a bit odd |
| 12:09:55 | Lear | Correct. Must be some filtering, but I'm not sure exactly what yet... |
| 12:09:57 | bluebrother | same for themes / wps browser (but for wps this makes sense) |
| 12:10:31 | JdGordon | as long as the "problem" isnt buried in filetree.c it shouldnt be too hard to fix |
| 12:11:02 | bluebrother | I think I gave up in tree.c because of time |
| 12:11:20 | decayedcell | JdGordon I did say rockbox twist... the current implementation of such a menu is pretty good by the DAP manufacturers... all you need to do is take it and make it better |
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| 12:12:08 | Lear | It's in filetree, if the dir filter is set to any of the "special" files, it will only show such entries. |
| 12:12:26 | Lear | Directories aren't such entries, so... |
| 12:12:47 | bluebrother | hmm. Adding the extension to the directory name? |
| 12:13:25 | Lear | Nope, still a directory. The attribute must match exactly. |
| 12:13:43 | Lear | Would be fairly easy to fix for selected dir filters though. |
| 12:13:47 | pixelma | decayedcell: how should that work? Rockbox works on a lot of targets with huge differences how the OFs work |
| 12:13:55 | bluebrother | just found that myself by trying ;-) |
| 12:14:05 | Lear | (But the if-statement responsible is hairy enough as it is... :) ) |
| 12:14:23 | bluebrother | so make it even more hairier ;-) |
| 12:14:44 | Lear | That reminds me, it can be simplified a little and cut a few bytes from the binary. |
| 12:14:49 | decayedcell | pixelma well on all players there must be some essential menu options. i.e. Library/Music, Now Playing. These are a must have |
| 12:15:40 | decayedcell | Rockbox also has a File Browser, so we just add that option to the root menu as suggested already. There are plugins in Rockbox too, so we'll have plugins, instead of Extras such as in the iPod firmware |
| 12:16:22 | decayedcell | It should function like the original firmware, but the titles should be simple, and consistent, and give the user access to most frequently used features of Rockbox |
| 12:17:24 | * | bluebrother doesn't think Rockbox should work like any OF but the Rockbox way instead |
| 12:18:15 | bluebrother | Lear, is that in ft_load()? |
| 12:18:28 | Lear | Yep. |
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| 12:18:37 | Lear | "filter out non-visible files" |
| 12:18:58 | decayedcell | But wouldn't that mean getting rid of the root menu completely? I'm pretty sure most OF have some kind of root menu. If it were to be completely original Rockbox, then you would keep the current system of switching modes (which is much like the iRiver firmware I believe) |
| 12:21:04 | bluebrother | I like the way it currently works. IMO it would just need some restructuring of the main menu and adding an option to start in any arbitrary screen |
| 12:21:19 | bluebrother | and set the default view to that reworked main menu |
| 12:21:45 | amiconn | bluebrother: Making the plugin browser support subdirs is rather simple |
| 12:21:56 | amiconn | All the browsers use the same code, just the filter is different |
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| 12:22:19 | bluebrother | I just noticed that ... last time I looked I hadn't much patience and time |
| 12:22:31 | amiconn | So the plugin browser would have to show subdirs *and* plugins |
| 12:23:58 | amiconn | There is a drawback when using subdirs for plugin categories though - they aren't localised |
| 12:24:09 | bluebrother | yeps. |
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| 12:24:32 | bluebrother | but it's easy and less code |
| 12:24:37 | decayedcell | don't you think its a bit cumbersome at the moment bluebrother? Say I'm playing a song in the WPS screen in Database mode, if I want to check out a picture I took on camp or something I'd have to hold down the Settings button, then change mode to Show Files, then get out of WPS, then find the picture |
| 12:24:49 | Lear | But plugins and their names aren't localized either... |
| 12:25:23 | bluebrother | decayedcell, sure. But that's simply the combination of the ideas: put a "Database view" and "Filesystem view" into the new main menu |
| 12:25:36 | bluebrother | that way you simply go to the main menu and select the other view |
| 12:25:46 | bluebrother | which is basically the same as with a root menu |
| 12:26:22 | bluebrother | Lear, good point |
| 12:26:29 | amiconn | Lear: True enough. |
| 12:26:58 | bluebrother | we could add localization support by a file name translator later |
| 12:27:21 | bluebrother | ok, I got it working |
| 12:27:34 | amiconn | Something like windows' desktop.ini perhaps |
| 12:27:46 | Slasheri | i had the idea that database view could support adding directory references to the view via tagnavi.config. For example "Browse files" could open the root dir in file view mode |
| 12:28:03 | bluebrother | if you know where to search the change is quite easy ;-) |
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| 12:28:07 | decayedcell | bluebrother but the current Main Menu has a lot of unrelated misc items in the list, for example we have various settings, recording and info |
| 12:28:13 | bluebrother | amiconn, yes, something like that was my idea |
| 12:28:22 | XavierGr | Slasheri: What exactly the hibernation feature means on a flashed H100 with dircache? |
| 12:28:35 | bluebrother | decayedcell, but that can get collected together in a settings submenu |
| 12:29:12 | Slasheri | XavierGr: dircache state is saved on disk and loaded at boot as early as possible. Then further file operations (especially open() in read only mode) are WAY faster than without dircache |
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| 12:29:28 | Slasheri | XavierGr: that speeds up loading wps images a lot for example |
| 12:29:40 | wLLm | morning all |
| 12:29:44 | bluebrother | so it gets settings / {sound,manage,general,playlist} settings, even the browse themes would fit there |
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| 12:30:12 | XavierGr | Slasheri: Nice, I am asking because there was a misunderstanding that dircache is flashed |
| 12:30:33 | decayedcell | bluebrother isn't that the beginnings of a root menu? |
| 12:30:49 | decayedcell | Root [File Browser, Database Browser, Settings] |
| 12:30:52 | Slasheri | ah, nothing is written to flash in rockbox by anything else than the iriver_flash -plugin |
| 12:30:53 | bluebrother | sure, but I don't want to see it as a "root" but rather than a main menu |
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| 12:31:06 | amiconn | bluebrother: In fact it could just be put into the .lng files. |
| 12:31:20 | bluebrother | and not adding a setting "startup screen" but rather "root screen" |
| 12:31:39 | amiconn | The data needs to be loaded into ram anyway, and english.land doesn't need to contain those strings because the english names are the default |
| 12:31:51 | decayedcell | so what should the root screen look like then? |
| 12:31:57 | bluebrother | and always return to that selected root screen. So one could set the file browser as root screen and will get exactly the same behaviour as we currently have |
| 12:32:01 | amiconn | ...so it wouldn't increase binary size due to those strings |
| 12:32:13 | bluebrother | amiconn, sounds good |
| 12:33:12 | bluebrother | so basically it's just a different way understanding the screen which implies a slightly different handling |
| 12:33:19 | bluebrother | in terms of user experience |
| 12:34:48 | * | safetydan apologises to hcs |
| 12:35:08 | safetydan | Looks like he was right about the endianess thing. I just didn't get a fully recompiled build on to my H120 |
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| 12:38:18 | decayedcell | night all |
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| 12:39:39 | * | JdGordon finds it very difficult to debug with stupid codec failures :p |
| 12:41:14 | w1ll14m | JdGordon: how is root menu going ? |
| 12:41:34 | JdGordon | i resynced it, but decided to start from scratch and use the new menu system |
| 12:41:44 | w1ll14m | ahh ok |
| 12:41:51 | w1ll14m | can i test the resync ? |
| 12:42:35 | JdGordon | i lost it already.... its very easy, just add char last_screen to the settings.h file and ignore the other error |
| 12:42:47 | JdGordon | ... just make sure you add it in the correct place |
| 12:43:03 | JdGordon | settings.h line 272 |
| 12:43:12 | w1ll14m | lol... where would i add the last_screen? |
| 12:43:14 | w1ll14m | ok |
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| 12:43:56 | w1ll14m | getting new svn :) |
| 12:44:31 | safetydan | Big speex commit comming. |
| 12:44:49 | w1ll14m | patch it, create a new line last_screen and that should be the patch, or am i thinking wrong? |
| 12:45:05 | w1ll14m | patch old rootmenu patch ;) |
| 12:45:37 | rp- | hm i can't build the latest sansa from svn with cygwin, anything i need to do? −−> http://rafb.net/p/vO5D7d71.html |
| 12:46:02 | JdGordon | add char last_line; to the line i said and your done |
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| 12:46:14 | * | JdGordon doesnt think the new menus ae suited to what we need here |
| 12:46:45 | w1ll14m | ok thanx |
| 12:47:56 | safetydan | jhMikeS, don't think we'll be seeing Speex recording in Rockbox for a while. The encoder still uses floating point. |
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| 12:49:29 | Lear | I've seen a fair amount of floating-to-fixed point conversions in Xiph SVN, but I haven't looked closely at where it was done... |
| 12:50:19 | safetydan | Yeah there's an ongoing effort to add fixed point support. |
| 12:50:22 | safetydan | But it's not complete yet. |
| 12:52:49 | bluebrother | rp-, update your compiler to 4.0.3 |
| 12:52:59 | w1ll14m | jdgordon, after #ifdef CONFIG_TUNER #endif |
| 12:53:18 | bluebrother | it seems to trigger an error in gcc for 4.0.2 |
| 12:53:40 | pixelma | rp-: these problems occured this week for everyone who uses gcc4.0.2 to compile for arm targets (see http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8711.0 for example) |
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| 12:55:07 | JdGordon | w1ll14m: yes |
| 12:55:28 | rp- | pixelma: thank you |
| 12:55:29 | w1ll14m | ok thanx :) |
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| 13:01:18 | w1ll14m | jdgordon: seems to work fine, thanx :) |
| 13:01:35 | w1ll14m | seems to compile fine** ;) |
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| 13:15:24 | w1ll14m | ok, nice work root menu |
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| 13:20:36 | JdGordon | :'( I cant get it jumping between items properly now |
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| 13:21:45 | directhex | has it been resynced? i couldn't get it to apply last time i tried |
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| 13:22:34 | JdGordon | read the last 30min of logs... very easy to resync.. |
| 13:22:48 | w1ll14m | indeed ;) |
| 13:25:04 | JdGordon | Slasheri: AA finally made it in? |
| 13:25:12 | w1ll14m | but instead of add last_line; use add last_screen; |
| 13:25:25 | Slasheri | JdGordon: that's album artist, not album art ;) |
| 13:25:35 | JdGordon | oh phew :D |
| 13:25:39 | Slasheri | hehe =) |
| 13:25:47 | * | JdGordon didnt read the ist :p |
| 13:25:57 | Slasheri | but i don't really see a reason why not to commit that AA too |
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| 13:29:18 | directhex | new improved version 2 of my less-annoying-gigabeat-settings-reset patch: http://pastebin.ca/348901 |
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| 13:34:58 | JdGordon | how can it be a new improved version? they are mutually exclusive.... |
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| 13:36:53 | scorche | one would hope that all new versions are improved... |
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| 13:37:34 | JdGordon | if its new, there was noting to base it on, so how oculd it be imporved? if its imporved it implies there was a base, so its not new |
| 13:38:54 | scorche | "The new version of rockbox is commonly known as r12255" |
| 13:39:31 | scorche | one could argue that one should use new*er*, but they can both be valid in context |
| 13:42:04 | directhex | ooooooookay. good to know things are staying on topic this morning! |
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| 13:45:09 | JdGordon | :D |
| 13:45:55 | directhex | and today's irc logs appear to stop at 09:11, so i can't read anything from before 12:05 that might relate to root menu resyncing |
| 13:46:47 | obo | directhex: View raw |
| 13:46:48 | JdGordon | its very easy, just add char last_screen to the settings.h file and ignore the other error |
| 13:46:48 | JdGordon | (22:42:56) JdGordon: ... just make sure you add it in the correct place |
| 13:46:48 | JdGordon | (22:43:12) JdGordon: settings.h line 272 |
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| 13:49:47 | * | linuxstb makes some changes to the RootMenu screen |
| 13:49:56 | linuxstb | s/screen/wiki page/ ;) |
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| 13:52:34 | voltagex_ | hi, will I ever be able to use the second usb port on the H3x0? |
| 13:53:02 | desowin | hard to say |
| 13:53:42 | desowin | it's volounteer project, so no release times are estimated |
| 13:55:15 | voltagex_ | I remember someone here talking about example code from Philips |
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| 13:55:57 | voltagex_ | whoa big storm here |
| 13:56:03 | voltagex_ | bigger than I thought |
| 13:56:32 | JdGordon | linuxstb: I'm not sure I like playlist being in the root (in its current form anyway), If it had less settings and more usefull stuff then maybe |
| 13:57:09 | JdGordon | ... actually remove the bottom 2 options and then i guess it would be good |
| 13:57:26 | linuxstb | But options such as "Create Playlist", "View Playlist", "Playlist Catalog" aren't settings IMO. |
| 13:57:48 | JdGordon | I agree,,, no i got confused, the last 2 are settings and should be moved tho |
| 13:57:54 | linuxstb | Yes, I agree. |
| 13:57:57 | desowin | anyone here could reproduce bug with charger, 1. shutdown player 2.connect shutted down player to wall charger 3.boot rockbox 4.when rockbox boots it'll reboot into disk mode instead of just charging ? |
| 13:58:12 | rp- | is there some wiki page that describes how the battery monitoring works? |
| 13:58:27 | JdGordon | linuxstb: and maybe rename playlist cataloge to browser like the plugin and themes ? |
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| 13:59:19 | linuxstb | I'm not sure I like the word Browser everywhere - it looks ugly. |
| 13:59:49 | w1ll14m | jdgordon: how do you browse music while playing a song... i can't select browse database or browse filesystem |
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| 14:00:16 | JdGordon | w1ll14m: the button that used to take you to the tree browser |
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| 14:01:08 | w1ll14m | does not give a action |
| 14:01:10 | w1ll14m | let me reboot |
| 14:01:20 | JdGordon | linuxstb: would it be horrible if now playing couldnt be renamed? |
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| 14:01:55 | linuxstb | No. But what about two menu options, with only one ever being displayed at a time? |
| 14:02:30 | linuxstb | (giving the illusion of renaming) |
| 14:02:49 | w1ll14m | jdgordon: select button (from wps) won't give me a selection |
| 14:03:22 | JdGordon | linuxstb: well thats what might have to happen, but could make tings ugly... |
| 14:03:33 | JdGordon | w1ll14m: which target? |
| 14:03:42 | w1ll14m | ipod 5g |
| 14:03:51 | directhex | root menu needs to have the "database" option removed from the "show files" section of "general settings/file view" |
| 14:04:06 | JdGordon | the select button doesnt drop you in the tree browser? |
| 14:04:10 | w1ll14m | not anymore :) |
| 14:04:18 | w1ll14m | it used to :) |
| 14:04:21 | JdGordon | odd :p |
| 14:04:25 | JdGordon | it _shuold_ |
| 14:04:35 | w1ll14m | indeed, i understand it should :) |
| 14:04:40 | w1ll14m | let me try some tuff.... |
| 14:04:47 | w1ll14m | 'll get back to you :) |
| 14:05:12 | w1ll14m | holding select will get me into playlist and soundsettings menu |
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| 14:07:15 | Lear | Hm... Speex won't build in the sim for me... |
| 14:08:07 | Lear | Actually, vorbis doesn't build due to speex, it seems. |
| 14:08:15 | w1ll14m | jdgordon, after changing a few settings it still won't get me to browse |
| 14:09:03 | JdGordon | ok thats a bit odd.... leave it then :p im figuring out the best way to code the whole thing, so im not too worried about bugs in that one |
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| 14:10:08 | w1ll14m | jdgordon, ok i understand :) i will remove the patch is it's making it more difficould to select music from rockbox :) |
| 14:10:14 | w1ll14m | but it's a very nice start!! |
| 14:10:23 | JdGordon | :) |
| 14:10:24 | w1ll14m | i like it so far |
| 14:11:18 | linuxstb | JdGordon: From what I remember of these parts of Rockbox (but I could be wrong), I think you'll probably need to do some radical changes in the code - to flatten things, and to introduce an exit code from screens, to allow quick-movement between screens. i.e. the wps screen should have exit codes such as "exit, exit to file browser, exit to settings menu" etc. |
| 14:12:30 | linuxstb | And as I suggested in the wiki page, I think that on ipods, MENU should be used as a consistent button to exit a screen back to the root menu, not bring up a menu. |
| 14:12:44 | JdGordon | thats the easy part, the problem im having is making the new menu ode cooperate with what I want to do |
| 14:13:37 | w1ll14m | jdgordon, what is it you want to exactly with root menu ? |
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| 14:15:15 | JdGordon | I want to do what we all want, but wit as little code as possible, I'm almost there, but not quite |
| 14:16:31 | w1ll14m | ok nice :) |
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| 14:17:09 | markun | JdGordon: with as little changes to the code as possible or ending up with as little code as possible? |
| 14:17:15 | w1ll14m | getting new svn again :) couldn't undo the patch |
| 14:17:29 | Lear | Odd. Only the sim needed a re-run of configure. |
| 14:17:43 | JdGordon | markun: both |
| 14:17:59 | markun | JdGordon: I would prefer only the second one |
| 14:18:04 | linuxstb | I don't think little changes to the existing code is necessarily a good aim... |
| 14:18:14 | markun | linuxstb: no, me neither |
| 14:18:26 | * | JdGordon is talking about the actual menu part, not the code flattening part |
| 14:19:39 | linuxstb | markun: I've started to add what I think should be the button mappings for ipods to the RootMenu wiki page - maybe you could do something similar for the Gigabeat. |
| 14:19:51 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I'm assuming that's helpful? |
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| 14:20:28 | JdGordon | linuxstb: its not unhelpful :p |
| 14:21:25 | directhex | markun, spot any fatal errors in my A-to-reset-on-gigabeat patch? i'm just building it for test on the actual hardware. http://pastebin.ca/348901 |
| 14:21:25 | markun | linuxstb: I want to redo the Gigabeat buttons anyway (mostly swapping A and POWER) but I hope it's not too late and people are now used to it.. |
| 14:21:55 | linuxstb | markun: I think the root menu is a good chance to at least slightly change some mapping... |
| 14:22:23 | * | w1ll14m agrees with linuxstb |
| 14:22:41 | markun | directhex: I would prefer BUTTON_A | BUTTON_MENU or something like that |
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| 14:23:10 | markun | just to make it less likely to trigger a reset |
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| 14:23:36 | markun | directhex: but this looks good too |
| 14:23:39 | linuxstb | directhex: This would be simpler: http://pastebin.ca/348948 |
| 14:23:40 | markun | don't see any problems with it |
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| 14:23:52 | directhex | markun, the power & a buttons are already at opposite ends of the player, so i didn't think there was much risk of pressing both at once accidentally |
| 14:24:46 | directhex | linuxstb, agreed, but i've based it on the existing else/if & indent format used elsewhere in the file |
| 14:24:46 | markun | directhex: but you don't use POWER.. |
| 14:25:04 | linuxstb | directhex: Don't assume other places are right :) |
| 14:25:22 | directhex | markun, good point. i keep forgetting when the reset is triggered |
| 14:25:51 | directhex | markun, that's why the reset keeps happening - in years of karma ownership i'm used to holding the power switch to turn on, then enabling hold as soon as it starts booting |
| 14:25:51 | markun | directhex: what do you mean? |
| 14:26:26 | markun | yes, I agree it shouldn't be HOLD |
| 14:27:12 | directhex | markun, okay, you're right that menu and a makes sense. this is what happens when you write patches at 2am |
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| 14:28:49 | markun | directhex: yes, imagine what happens when you commit things late at night when you are about to go to sleep.. |
| 14:29:01 | markun | red all over the place :) |
| 14:29:30 | JdGordon | yeah, we should ban commits after 1am in the commiters timezone :p |
| 14:29:38 | Lear | Anyone building the simulator on OSX here? |
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| 14:30:51 | markun | JdGordon: but it's so tempting to commit things when you've worked on something all night and (you think) it finally works :) |
| 14:31:07 | JdGordon | hehe, I know :) |
| 14:33:40 | * | JdGordon wonders how much code should be added for a special case which will probably happen once |
| 14:33:58 | JdGordon | all because linuxstb has a menu item renaming fetish :D |
| 14:34:14 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 14:34:49 | linuxstb | JdGordon: If it's a problem, then forget it. Maybe you'll have an idea about how to easily implement it at a later date. |
| 14:35:30 | directhex | markun, is " #define SETTINGS_RESET (BUTTON_A | BUTTON_MENU)" correct then? |
| 14:37:11 | markun | yes |
| 14:38:00 | markun | at least I think it should work. Just try it. |
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| 14:40:19 | markun | linuxstb: Simon Menzel has pressed edit in the root menu wiki 36 minutes ago. Safe to edit anyway, don't you think? |
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| 14:42:20 | JdGordon | who is Simon Menzel? |
| 14:42:28 | linuxstb | markun: I guess so, I don't know how the wiki locking works... |
| 14:42:35 | * | linuxstb was thinking the same question |
| 14:42:58 | JdGordon | not on irc nicks :( |
| 14:43:11 | JdGordon | w1ll14m: its not you is it? |
| 14:43:53 | markun | it's solved |
| 14:44:01 | markun | he has saved his changes |
| 14:44:18 | scorche | JdGordon: google says rincewind |
| 14:44:33 | JdGordon | ok |
| 14:44:53 | * | JdGordon wants to get in when markun is done :p |
| 14:45:07 | markun | linuxstb: I think the buttons should be the same on the Gigabeat as on the iPod, but I also don't know what the other buttons should do.. |
| 14:45:12 | markun | JdGordon: do it now |
| 14:45:13 | markun | I'll leave soon |
| 14:45:19 | markun | Do I still have it open? |
| 14:45:30 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 14:45:35 | JdGordon | take your time |
| 14:45:40 | markun | ok |
| 14:46:02 | linuxstb | markun: I think it's OK to leave buttons unused, at least initially. |
| 14:46:06 | obo | JdGordon: can you help me with a ata_idle_notify problem? |
| 14:46:12 | JdGordon | shoot |
| 14:46:13 | scorche | if you have clicked edit and have not clicked save, it is locked to you |
| 14:46:31 | JdGordon | the wiki can merge changes so maybe its ok |
| 14:46:35 | linuxstb | i.e. get the core functionality and mappings done first, and then see what we can sensibly squeeze onto the remaining buttons afterwards. |
| 14:47:18 | scorche | JdGordon: well, worst case, you have to re-do it...not like it will crash ;) |
| 14:47:55 | obo | JdGordon: http://www.pastebin.ca/348973 - from what I can tell it never calls the function I register |
| 14:48:21 | directhex | markun, "hold menu while booting for rescue mode" |
| 14:48:27 | directhex | markun, but if one times it better, it works |
| 14:49:50 | JdGordon | obo: you need to either regregister it every time its called, or only register it when you have somethng to write.. callbacks are calls once then dumped |
| 14:50:04 | JdGordon | I think thats what your trying to do, but I may be wrong |
| 14:50:18 | fir3 | hi |
| 14:50:23 | obo | JdGordon: that sounds about right - thanks |
| 14:50:27 | JdGordon | np |
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| 14:50:45 | fir3 | the bootloader is able to dualboot into original/rockbox firmware right? |
| 14:50:59 | JdGordon | obo: also, remember the callback is done from the ata thread... so keep the variables safe and the funciton smallish |
| 14:51:00 | directhex | fir3, on which hardware? |
| 14:51:10 | l33ch | hi all |
| 14:51:11 | fir3 | ipod 30gb |
| 14:51:30 | obo | JdGordon: the function is flush_cache in apps/scrobbler.c - it's basically just open, fdprintf and close |
| 14:51:31 | linuxstb | video ipod? |
| 14:51:37 | markun | linuxstb: there was a merge between our changes when I saved. Can you inspect if your stuff is still there? |
| 14:51:39 | fir3 | yep |
| 14:51:52 | obo | oops, write_cache |
| 14:51:54 | markun | JdGordon: nice that there is a merge feature. So you can probably just edit anyway. |
| 14:52:01 | fir3 | it's able to play videos so i guess it's one ;) |
| 14:52:05 | linuxstb | markun: Yes - I just amended one line in the ipod button mappings. I guessed you wouldn't be modifying that part. |
| 14:52:30 | markun | linuxstb: I changed your suggestions to use bullets |
| 14:52:33 | linuxstb | fir3; Then yes, you turn on the hold switch when your ipod is booting to start the Apple firmware. |
| 14:52:42 | fir3 | ok tnx |
| 14:52:54 | linuxstb | markun: It's still OK - I added text to the question at the end. |
| 14:53:10 | directhex | "commiting database [8/7]" \o/ |
| 14:53:21 | * | bluebrother thinks he should add something about how the root menu should be understood |
| 14:53:24 | desowin | fir3: or if you don't have anything against, ipodlinux bootloader has an menu like grub one |
| 14:54:46 | linuxstb | fir3: If you haven't yet installed Rockbox, use this page instead of the manual - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
| 14:54:47 | l33ch | Can anybody tell me if this http://download.rockbox.org/daily/source/rockbox-20070210.tar.bz2 are full ... coz when i'm compiling under vmware files like external_menu.h and files from menus\ are missing :( |
| 14:54:49 | linuxstb | (it's much easier) |
| 14:54:56 | fir3 | rockbox works :) |
| 14:55:08 | JdGordon | l33ch: my bad... ill fix that asap |
| 14:55:26 | l33ch | JdGordon: thank you |
| 14:55:40 | fir3 | desowin: i don't, but my brother possibly has ;) |
| 14:56:41 | l33ch | JdGordon: please let us know then :) |
| 14:57:04 | JdGordon | l33ch: done... just wait 5min or so for he .bz2 to be built |
| 14:57:26 | l33ch | wow you are fast as hell :) |
| 14:57:40 | fir3 | linuxstb: i just installed it |
| 14:58:11 | JdGordon | tiny fix, just forgot to add a tiny thing to 1 file |
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| 14:58:55 | fir3 | how can i exit rockpaint plugin? |
| 14:59:12 | l33ch | anyway Rockbox project is something what i dreamed of in 2 years ago |
| 14:59:13 | fir3 | ah got it :) |
| 14:59:30 | l33ch | thank you guys |
| 14:59:33 | markun | JdGordon: will the title be moved to the status bar? |
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| 15:00:18 | markun | or centered maybe. I don't really like the way it's displayed now (first item, the rest indented) |
| 15:00:32 | fir3 | i didn't know about rockbox so i got a crappy zen micro :/ |
| 15:00:40 | JdGordon | markun: there isnt really enough room in the statusbar on most targets... centered is possible |
| 15:00:52 | JdGordon | I want to put icons in the menus |
| 15:00:58 | directhex | i like it where it is, actually |
| 15:01:04 | directhex | JdGordon, YES! please do! |
| 15:01:16 | * | JdGordon cant draw to save himself :p |
| 15:01:30 | markun | I'm sure the WPS creators would love to make icon packs |
| 15:01:32 | directhex | JdGordon, make the icons read from themes! |
| 15:01:40 | JdGordon | no can do |
| 15:02:48 | directhex | aw :( |
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| 15:07:00 | JdGordon | Whats the hack-tolerance level in the code? |
| 15:07:18 | JdGordon | I have a pretty ugly one I'm seriously thining of doing :p |
| 15:07:41 | linuxstb | General Rockbox hack-tolerance is zero :) |
| 15:07:46 | JdGordon | hehe |
| 15:07:50 | linuxstb | That's why we have so many patches... |
| 15:08:14 | JdGordon | hmm, maybe it can be done in a slightly less ugly manor |
| 15:09:24 | scorche | i doubt the type of dwelling you are coding in matters much |
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| 15:11:11 | fir3 | how can i see when the database finished initializing? |
| 15:11:14 | * | JdGordon is a drongo |
| 15:11:47 | * | scorche looks up the definition of "drongo" |
| 15:12:34 | * | fir3 too |
| 15:12:38 | scorche | aussie slang for "total loser or idiot"...gotcha |
| 15:13:09 | JdGordon | Im sure ive used that in here a few times already... you should know that one :D |
| 15:13:15 | funky | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=drongo |
| 15:13:19 | JdGordon | I hardly have to hack te current code at all :p |
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| 15:15:37 | fir3 | the ipod should turn on by pressing and holding the play/pause button right? |
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| 15:18:08 | fir3 | the ipod doesn't turn on anymore |
| 15:18:28 | Winchester | heya |
| 15:18:43 | Winchester | done everything.... reset it? try charging, etc? |
| 15:19:17 | fir3 | how can i reset it? i tried connecting it to the computer - no sign of life |
| 15:19:26 | Winchester | not even disk mode? |
| 15:19:57 | fir3 | it doesn't turn on |
| 15:20:12 | fir3 | no way to mount it :/ |
| 15:20:24 | Winchester | tried holding the reset button combo on the ipod? |
| 15:20:38 | Winchester | and how old is the ipod? |
| 15:20:58 | fir3 | brand new :) |
| 15:21:49 | Winchester | well.... hold menu and middle button for a while (make sure hold is off)..... that might just do something.... but probably won't |
| 15:22:18 | fir3 | resetting worked tnx |
| 15:22:36 | Winchester | oh O_o wasn't expecting it |
| 15:22:41 | Winchester | no problem =) |
| 15:23:53 | fir3 | how come it refused to turn on? is that a common problem? |
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| 15:24:10 | Winchester | well... like a normal computer... ipods can lock up |
| 15:24:58 | fir3 | my computer didn't lock up the second time i turned it on :) |
| 15:25:14 | Winchester | lol |
| 15:25:23 | Winchester | well you're not running windows are you? |
| 15:25:39 | fir3 | nope :) |
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| 15:25:50 | Winchester | can anyone please tell me why cygwin would not run configure properly.... saying command not found on blank lines etc?... when i compiled it fine a few minutes ago... then checked out using tortoiseSVN? |
| 15:26:00 | Winchester | well there's your answer |
| 15:27:21 | Winchester | 123 people.... all either sleeping or think I am a moron =( |
| 15:27:25 | petur | run cygwin setup and set it to use cr+lf line-endings |
| 15:27:30 | Winchester | ah 'course |
| 15:27:34 | Winchester | thanks |
| 15:27:41 | Winchester | missed that one |
| 15:27:42 | petur | svn translates, cvs doesn't |
| 15:27:59 | Winchester | yeah thanks a lot |
| 15:28:13 | Winchester | I just skipped that step after installing tortoise |
| 15:28:19 | Winchester | without noticing |
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| 15:30:47 | Winchester | hmm... having trouble finding it.... what category would that be under? |
| 15:31:36 | Winchester | oh wait.... I am being an idiot again... ignore that |
| 15:31:55 | fir3 | can you recommend me some cool theme? |
| 15:32:16 | Winchester | well.... I couldn't.... I have an ipod mini.... which has no cool themes |
| 15:32:53 | fir3 | what ipod is "recommended" for use with rockbox btw? |
| 15:33:42 | Winchester | which one do you have? |
| 15:33:49 | fir3 | ipod video |
| 15:33:55 | directhex | fir3, none of them per se - because the ipod's chip (portalplayer) is poorly documented, battery life is poor compared to some other players |
| 15:33:59 | Winchester | that's what I would get if I was to get a new one |
| 15:34:21 | Winchester | mainly 'cause if you add ipodlinux you can have a NES emulator and all that stuff |
| 15:34:29 | fir3 | what players are better? |
| 15:35:01 | directhex | i was recommended a toshiba gigabeat f-series |
| 15:35:09 | fir3 | is ipodlinux better/worse for music/videos than rockbox? |
| 15:35:17 | Winchester | for music.... much worse |
| 15:35:52 | Winchester | I normally have rockbox on.... might reboot into ipodlinux to play some gameboy games or something |
| 15:36:12 | Winchester | but... rockbox has iboy which works on ipod video I belive |
| 15:36:53 | fir3 | gameboy games..cool..guess i should get a new player :) |
| 15:37:01 | Winchester | why? |
| 15:37:06 | Winchester | ipod video should run those fine |
| 15:37:16 | fir3 | that ipod video is not mine :/ |
| 15:37:25 | Winchester | ah I see |
| 15:37:56 | JdGordon | anyone think ill be allowed to commit a hack with this comment attached? http://rafb.net/p/ucYSpx95.html |
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| 15:41:18 | Winchester | I wouldn't know..... trying can't hurt... but wait for someone who actually knows what they're talking about responds >.> |
| 15:41:40 | Winchester | *to respond |
| 15:48:15 | Winchester | ....guess they're busy doing stuff the stuff they know |
| 15:48:47 | Domonoky | hm which Task Type should i choose for a patch to rbutil in Flyspray ?? |
| 15:49:54 | Domonoky | it seems there isnt a matching task type... so what should i choose.. *rolling a dice* |
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| 15:53:40 | desowin | fir3: ipodlinux is port of linux to iPod, rockbox is jukebox firmware |
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| 15:55:40 | Winchester | hey.... now I get some error while running make... pretty much saying /apps/settings.o not recognized. |
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| 15:56:05 | Winchester | and... invalid string offset... |
| 15:56:17 | Winchester | all in settings.o |
| 15:56:49 | GodEater | Winchester, I think I saw a forum post with a similar error recently |
| 15:56:52 | GodEater | go have a hunt |
| 15:57:02 | Winchester | Thanks, GodEater. |
| 15:57:35 | fir3 | for installing themes i have to overwrite the .rockbox folder with the .zip contents right? |
| 15:57:45 | Winchester | no.... extract it into .rockbox |
| 15:57:57 | GodEater | Winchester, same thing |
| 15:57:57 | Winchester | without overwritting anything |
| 15:58:02 | Winchester | oh? |
| 15:58:07 | * | jhMikeS reads the logs and finds out he has another day to live |
| 15:58:14 | Winchester | would've thought overwrite would.... overwrite the folders rather than add the files |
| 15:58:21 | GodEater | the theme .zip files usually contain a .zip file containing .rockbox and it's folder structure |
| 15:58:22 | fir3 | ah ok i already wondered if there was a cleaner way :) |
| 15:58:37 | GodEater | but it doesn't overwrite any files |
| 15:58:38 | GodEater | it just drops in new ones |
| 15:58:59 | fir3 | yep, but it's complicated to delete themes then |
| 15:59:00 | Winchester | ok... windows seems to overwrite folders rather than copy stuff into them =( |
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| 15:59:24 | Winchester | why delete em? |
| 15:59:35 | GodEater | we don't have a system of tarball themes |
| 15:59:36 | GodEater | yet |
| 15:59:36 | Winchester | itsn't not like they eat up space or anything |
| 15:59:45 | GodEater | you either like it or lump it :) |
| 15:59:50 | fir3 | ugly/outdated... ;) |
| 15:59:58 | Winchester | touche =/ |
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| 16:00:28 | GodEater | perhaps someone will get interested enough to allow reading themes straight out of zips / tarballs at some point |
| 16:00:33 | GodEater | but currently that's not implemented |
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| 16:00:51 | GodEater | afternoon Llorean |
| 16:00:58 | fir3 | an own folder would be enough |
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| 16:01:27 | GodEater | fir3: not really, themes are made up of lots of components |
| 16:01:31 | GodEater | for example fonts |
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| 16:02:26 | fir3 | macosx has .dmg files containg a virtual dir structure...something like that |
| 16:03:02 | GodEater | that's the same concept I've just relayed, but with zip / tar files |
| 16:03:32 | GodEater | a lot of window managers for X do the same thing |
| 16:03:43 | Winchester | hmm.... having no luck in the forums |
| 16:04:26 | GodEater | Winchester: have you tried the vmware image instead ? |
| 16:05:15 | Winchester | but... vmware is all slow.... |
| 16:05:36 | GodEater | I think you'll find it much faster than cygwin |
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| 16:05:50 | Winchester | plus I allready had cygwin all nice and set up |
| 16:06:17 | GodEater | except it's not working =/ |
| 16:06:37 | Winchester | it was before I used tortoiseSVN |
| 16:06:43 | GodEater | well, it's your choice anyway - I'm just told by a lot of our users that they find the vmware image much faster |
| 16:06:51 | linuxstb | Domonoky: Nice to see your rbutil patch - I'll hopefully have a look at it later today. |
| 16:07:13 | GodEater | linuxstb: ooh - what's it do ? |
| 16:07:50 | GodEater | once again I should look before asking. |
| 16:08:11 | Domonoky | nice :-) |
| 16:08:34 | Llorean | Winchester: A) What forum are you talking about, I don't think I've seen a mention of cygwin problems relating to TortoiseSVN recently in ours. |
| 16:08:48 | Llorean | B) VMWare takes roughly half the time to compile of cygwin |
| 16:09:13 | GodEater | Llorean: I told him to look in our forums for a problem I thought I recalled seeing to do with a settings.o problem |
| 16:09:14 | Llorean | C) TortoiseSVN requires that you have Cygwin set up to use DOS/Windows style line endings, most people have it set up for Unix style\ |
| 16:09:20 | GodEater | possibly I imagined it :) |
| 16:09:30 | Llorean | GodEater: Ah, I thought he meant he'd posted. |
| 16:09:37 | GodEater | nope |
| 16:09:44 | Llorean | The settings.o problem... |
| 16:09:52 | Llorean | Winchester: arm-elf-gcc −−version, what does it report? |
| 16:09:53 | Domonoky | does fwpatcher (bootloaderpatcher for h1x0) work on Linux and Mac ? oder do they have to use mkboot and scramble ? |
| 16:09:57 | GodEater | it's probably a TortoiseSVN option though as you postulate :) |
| 16:10:16 | Llorean | GodEater: No, it's a "Cygwin installer" option, but the settings.o thing is more likely an outdated gcc, I think. |
| 16:10:38 | Llorean | Domonoky: I believe they have to use mkboot and scramble. |
| 16:10:49 | Winchester | settings.o: invalid string offset 768 >= 0 for section '.shstrab' |
| 16:11:16 | Domonoky | okey, so i should probably rebuild fwpatcher in rbutil.. :-) |
| 16:11:25 | Winchester | well... can't paste from cygwin.... plus I am sure it would be classified as flooding ... but that's the main error there that I get |
| 16:11:35 | Llorean | Winchester: I didn't ask for the error you get... |
| 16:11:55 | Winchester | ah hang on |
| 16:12:04 | Winchester | latest version... let me double check |
| 16:12:11 | bluebrother | Winchester, use a pastebin for longer snippets |
| 16:12:24 | Winchester | 4.0.3 |
| 16:12:43 | Llorean | Winchester: And is your cygwin set to use Unix style line endings? |
| 16:12:50 | Winchester | yup |
| 16:12:54 | Llorean | You need to change that |
| 16:12:57 | Winchester | oh wait |
| 16:12:58 | bluebrother | Domonoky, fwpatcher is said to run with wine |
| 16:13:03 | Llorean | If you're using it with TortoiseSVN it needs to be set to windows style |
| 16:13:04 | Winchester | no it is set to the second... non default one |
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| 16:13:14 | Winchester | CR+...something |
| 16:13:17 | Llorean | CR+LF |
| 16:13:22 | Winchester | that's the one |
| 16:13:50 | Llorean | And you're trying to compile a freshly checked out, unpatched build? |
| 16:13:54 | Everybody|RTCW | whores |
| 16:13:56 | Everybody|RTCW | whoops |
| 16:13:57 | Everybody|RTCW | sorry |
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| 16:14:02 | Domonoky | i just had a look at the fwpatcher source, its clearly a windows app, so it would be better to rebuild it.. :-) |
| 16:14:03 | Winchester | freshly checked out |
| 16:14:07 | Everybody|away | wrong channel :p |
| 16:14:22 | Llorean | Winchester: Unpatched? |
| 16:14:26 | Winchester | unpatched |
| 16:14:34 | Winchester | straight out of SVN |
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| 16:15:04 | Llorean | Okay, you're going to need to paste the errors into a pastebin then. And you can paste from Cygwin. I don't remember how, but I've done it before. |
| 16:15:34 | Winchester | ok just a sec |
| 16:15:42 | Winchester | (and yeah I figured out how to paste from cygwin) |
| 16:15:47 | voltagex | is CUE support going to be committed to SVN? I've been using it from the patch for a while now and it seems stable. |
| 16:15:49 | Domonoky | right click on window title there ar c&p options |
| 16:17:32 | Winchester | yup... I was trying to do it the command prompt way >.> |
| 16:17:53 | Winchester | and pastebin... is taking a while to send |
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| 16:19:15 | * | JdGordon got the root screen working correctly again :) |
| 16:19:31 | voltagex | hang on, there's menu api changes going on. |
| 16:19:37 | directhex | yay for JdGordon |
| 16:19:38 | voltagex | is the daily build usable? |
| 16:19:40 | fir3 | i extracted the wad files to .rockbox/doom/ but it still refuses to start |
| 16:19:52 | JdGordon | voltagex: yes |
| 16:19:57 | voltagex | cool |
| 16:20:19 | voltagex | biiiiig storms here so I need my MP3 player working for when I turn everything else off |
| 16:20:21 | Winchester | what's your wad filename? |
| 16:20:45 | Winchester | and do you have rockdoom.wad in there as well? |
| 16:20:49 | fir3 | doomf.wad and rockdoom.wad |
| 16:21:03 | Winchester | rename dommf.wad to doom.wad |
| 16:21:11 | fir3 | k |
| 16:21:17 | Winchester | better yet... doom1.wad |
| 16:21:32 | fir3 | ok |
| 16:21:54 | Winchester | working? |
| 16:21:55 | fir3 | most of the themes are displayed incorrectly, is there a way to fix that? |
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| 16:22:18 | Winchester | the text? |
| 16:22:28 | Winchester | is the text out of place? |
| 16:22:38 | fir3 | yep |
| 16:22:46 | fir3 | oh the fonts, right? |
| 16:22:52 | Domonoky | yep |
| 16:22:56 | Domonoky | install the fonts |
| 16:23:03 | fir3 | i did :) |
| 16:23:03 | Winchester | check which font is meant to be used with the theme |
| 16:23:23 | fir3 | ok |
| 16:23:26 | Winchester | and... are you activating the themes from the wps menu or the themes one? |
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| 16:23:40 | fir3 | themes menu |
| 16:24:00 | fir3 | activating from wps menu doesn't fix it :/ |
| 16:24:41 | Winchester | is there anything like patebin that's not pastebin? |
| 16:24:45 | Winchester | *paste |
| 16:24:47 | fir3 | doom works :) |
| 16:24:56 | Winchester | oh no wait..... it seems to be loading now |
| 16:26:08 | Winchester | ok... 'seems'... but isn't..... so is there an alternative to pastebin? |
| 16:26:15 | obo | .com or .ca? |
| 16:26:19 | Winchester | .com |
| 16:26:55 | Winchester | ok... .ca is working much better |
| 16:27:11 | fir3 | seems like there's some problem with doom |
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| 16:27:29 | Winchester | ok |
| 16:27:34 | Winchester | http://pastebin.ca/349081 |
| 16:27:38 | fir3 | data abort at 01f9cfe0 |
| 16:28:55 | Winchester | hmm.... never had that one.... using a supported wad? |
| 16:29:13 | Mikachu | Winchester: that looks like it's not a crosscompiler |
| 16:29:22 | voltagex | fir3: I had that with a corrupted wad |
| 16:29:28 | fir3 | Winchester: i got it from here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras#Doom |
| 16:29:43 | Winchester | arm-elf? not a cross-compiler? O_o |
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| 16:30:07 | Mikachu | uh, not the right crosscompiler |
| 16:30:14 | fir3 | voltagex: where did you get a working .wad? |
| 16:30:15 | Winchester | what do you mean by that? |
| 16:30:27 | Mikachu | it says shstrtab, maybe that has nothing to do with sh though |
| 16:30:30 | voltagex | fir3: look up FreeDoom |
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| 16:31:05 | Winchester | should... I make clean and re-run configure or what? |
| 16:31:06 | fir3 | kk |
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| 16:32:02 | Mikachu | Winchester: i'm probably way off :) |
| 16:32:23 | Winchester | what would you suggest to double check though? |
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| 16:34:42 | Winchester | ah well... thanks Mikachu, for trying. =) |
| 16:35:09 | Winchester | can someone please tell me what this error might mean? http://pastebin.ca/349081 |
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| 16:36:31 | fir3 | could it be that some themes include their own fonts corrupting others? |
| 16:36:52 | Winchester | far fetched |
| 16:37:42 | fir3 | :) |
| 16:40:10 | Winchester | ok, everyone hates me >.> |
| 16:40:49 | fir3 | voltagex: ok i downloaded freedoom, it contains doom2.wad. now i have to rename it to doom1.wad and place it on the player, right? |
| 16:41:08 | voltagex | fir3: it should recognise doom2.wad |
| 16:41:17 | Winchester | the name doesn't matter that much... there are several names it recognizes |
| 16:41:38 | fir3 | can i leave doom1.wad there or should i remove it? |
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| 16:41:43 | voltagex | Winchester: haven't had much experience with rockdoom |
| 16:41:54 | voltagex | fir3: if you leave it there you'll be able to choose |
| 16:41:54 | Winchester | the list of wad names is there on the rockbox doom page |
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| 16:42:10 | Winchester | yeah "Select game" menu I think |
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| 16:42:24 | Winchester | or something along those lines... the first one |
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| 16:43:32 | Winchester | should I bother asking about my problem again.... or... nobody knew 10 minutes ago, nobody knows now and I should stfu and get the vmware image and stop complaining? |
| 16:43:37 | fir3 | ok doom works, tnx :) |
| 16:44:03 | voltagex | Winchester: whats' the problem? |
| 16:44:22 | Winchester | http://pastebin.ca/349081 |
| 16:44:32 | Winchester | while running make |
| 16:44:45 | Winchester | linking problem with settings.o |
| 16:45:15 | voltagex | incorrect architecture? |
| 16:45:22 | voltagex | run make clean and try again maybe |
| 16:46:36 | Winchester | yeah I'll try that.... trying to recompile settings.o by itself first |
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| 16:48:34 | fir3 | is it possible to jump/access the menu in doom? |
| 16:49:36 | Winchester | the menu as in... the doom menu? |
| 16:49:46 | fir3 | yep |
| 16:49:48 | Winchester | (for that flick the hold switch) |
| 16:50:26 | fir3 | err i mean the doom menu in doom |
| 16:50:34 | directhex | power |
| 16:50:56 | Winchester | you mean like the wad selection and all? |
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| 16:54:57 | Winchester | ok..... clean compile..... to see what happens |
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| 16:55:12 | fir3 | ok i exited doom |
| 16:55:39 | Winchester | .... is that what you meant by menu? |
| 16:55:46 | fir3 | yep |
| 16:55:54 | fir3 | hold switch worked |
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| 16:57:48 | fir3 | any ideas how i can get the themes working correctly? |
| 16:58:09 | Winchester | how'd the font thing go? |
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| 16:59:51 | fir3 | i'll try installing the fonts from the extras page |
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| 17:00:03 | Winchester | you didn't do that? |
| 17:00:25 | fir3 | i got it from another page iirc |
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| 17:00:54 | Soap | I'm going to throw this out there, even though jdgordon is gone. If the menu tree structure was read from a .XML file upon boot...people could organize the menus however they prefer - or stick with the stock layout. |
| 17:01:16 | Winchester | ....that's... a really good idea. |
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| 17:02:39 | Winchester | I was just looking at the feature request.... everyone wants all these little things which would add up and make the menu really messy with things a lot of people would never use |
| 17:02:42 | fir3 | installing the fonts didn't help |
| 17:03:02 | fir3 | some theme doesn't even display text :/ |
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| 17:03:59 | |Rincewind| | Soap: if i remember correctly jdgordon was planning something like that already. It wasn't exactly xml, something with numbers to determine the menu level |
| 17:04:06 | Llorean | Soap: Wouldn't reading it from an XML add all kinds of complexity, as well as adding the potential for the menu to be completely broken or unpredictable by a bad XML file? |
| 17:05:07 | |Rincewind| | I don't think that adding a xml parser to rockbox is a good idea |
| 17:05:17 | Winchester | the concept is for the user to be able to have the menu organised as they want right? doesn't have to be xml. |
| 17:05:30 | Winchester | just something which doesn't sacrafice loading time |
| 17:05:53 | Llorean | Anything that loads an additional file from the HD will sacrifice loading time. |
| 17:07:11 | barry | wasn't there talk of loading the menu structure at compile time? I think that would be a better option |
| 17:07:14 | Winchester | yeah that was the first thing that jumped to mind, but as Soap said... the option to keep the stock layout there would be there |
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| 17:08:51 | pxepro | hi |
| 17:09:07 | pxepro | any new version up soon ? :) |
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| 17:10:06 | Llorean | What exactly does customizable menus really add, though? |
| 17:10:11 | Llorean | pxepro: What exactly do you mean? |
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| 17:10:45 | pxepro | new rockbox |
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| 17:11:10 | Llorean | There are builds made every time someone commits a change, often multiple times a day. |
| 17:11:26 | bluebrother | I'm fine with a customizable submenu for shortcuts, but I really don't like the standard menus being customizable |
| 17:11:39 | bluebrother | as that will be hell to support (or even describe in the manual) |
| 17:11:58 | Llorean | bluebrother: Like the option to replace the quick menu with a custom menu loaded from a file? |
| 17:12:22 | bluebrother | for example. JdGordon thought of a customizable user menu iirc |
| 17:12:29 | |Rincewind| | a customizable shortcut menu would be great, as I said in the wiki (RootMenu), this could even replace the quick menu |
| 17:12:47 | bluebrother | which would be ok for me −− but please don't make the menus itself customizable |
| 17:13:16 | * | bluebrother prefers the quick menu the way it currently is |
| 17:13:20 | pxepro | sorry i meany final builds |
| 17:13:33 | pxepro | mean |
| 17:13:38 | Llorean | pxepro: Those would be announced on the front page, anyway. It's been over a year since a version-numbered build. |
| 17:14:01 | * | |Rincewind| doesn't need shuffle and repeat ver often |
| 17:14:02 | bluebrother | every build gets a new number −− the svn revision number ;-) |
| 17:14:06 | Winchester | pretty sure they make it a final build when it feels right... without much planning there |
| 17:14:20 | Llorean | bluebrother: That's why I said "version-numbered" |
| 17:14:36 | bluebrother | that's why I added an ;-) |
| 17:14:50 | pxepro | :) |
| 17:15:15 | pxepro | i think about buying a sansa e200 :) |
| 17:15:20 | pxepro | ing |
| 17:15:21 | pxepro | damn |
| 17:15:22 | pxepro | :) |
| 17:15:28 | Mikachu | pxepro: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=2&due=3&order=sev |
| 17:15:33 | Soap | bluebrother, Llorean, I think bluebrother hit the nail on the head. Adding the ability to create and load custom shortcuts would solve most people's needs/wants. |
| 17:15:44 | Soap | and .xml was generic for |
| 17:15:53 | Soap | "user created file' |
| 17:16:12 | pxepro | just a great announcement |
| 17:16:16 | Soap | (aarrgghh, the Enter key is too close to the " key when I haven't had my coffee. |
| 17:16:16 | Llorean | Soap: XML has a lot of extraneous requirements that are going to add a lot of bad taste to the idea that can be much simpler than that. |
| 17:16:23 | |Rincewind| | for a short cut menu there really is no need for xml, because this menu wouldn't be nested |
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| 17:16:37 | Winchester | but come on... the menu as is is kind of cluttered and majority of the features aren't used by an average user.... being able to customize it without modifying the source would be nice |
| 17:16:43 | Mikachu | just a flat text file with some names on lines would be enough |
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| 17:17:21 | bluebrother | use something like the tagnavi syntax. |
| 17:18:48 | bluebrother | did iriver release a H10 with 1GB? |
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| 17:20:24 | theone | anybody know of any _decent_ ipod batteries (and vendors?) |
| 17:20:26 | Winchester | ah darn.... I still get the error in make during LD rockbox.elf with settings.o |
| 17:20:30 | Soap | The advantage I saw to Menu-Tree in a Text-File was that it would allow the whole of the Rockbox community to get involved in alternate menu structures - and perhaps a "better" (notice the quotes) default layout would rise out of the primordial ooze. |
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| 17:21:41 | Llorean | Soap: I suspect most custom menus are simply going to leave out the options they don't intend to use. |
| 17:22:08 | Llorean | Why not simply ask users for suggestions on the menu reorganization? |
| 17:22:16 | Soap | then that would be their call - They wouldn't win the "better" award with an attitude like that. |
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| 17:22:46 | Soap | Suggestions is one thing - being able to share a completed vision is much more compelling. |
| 17:23:12 | Llorean | I'm just not sure that's cause to make the whole menu system needlessly customizable. |
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| 17:23:34 | bluebrother | most users will only see the stuff they need, causing more confusing than helping in that case imo. |
| 17:23:50 | Soap | that is a valid point bluebrother. |
| 17:24:18 | bluebrother | I think the best solution would be a fixed menu layout and one customizable shortcut menu |
| 17:24:49 | bluebrother | which could even get set as default screen (by the user of course) |
| 17:25:00 | bluebrother | everything else is headache or non-KISS |
| 17:25:04 | Soap | Llorean: "needlessly customizable" - isn't it a sin to believe in such a thing? "Needlessly complex" is one thing - "needlessly bloated code" another - but since when is "needlessly customizable" a bad thing? |
| 17:25:33 | Llorean | Soap: All it means is "it doesn't need to be customizable", that's kinda what the word "needlessly" means. |
| 17:25:49 | Llorean | Can you argue that it _needs_ to be, rather than simply would be nice to be? |
| 17:26:15 | Winchester | ok..... actually I think I just switched over...... the xml idea is nice.... but a shortcut menu is sufficient |
| 17:26:19 | Soap | I'm just saying that "need" should never be a measure of worthiness when it comes to customizing. |
| 17:26:45 | Llorean | What about suggests that I'm using it as a measure of worthiness. |
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| 17:28:50 | Llorean | I just meant it in the context that 'I don't see a compelling reason to add it yet' |
| 17:28:57 | Llorean | There's no 'need' yet from my perspective. |
| 17:31:38 | barry | bluebrother: there's a H10 Junior which I think is 1GB. It's completely different hardware than the other H10s though |
| 17:32:05 | bluebrother | oh. |
| 17:32:13 | Llorean | It's flash based. |
| 17:32:51 | Winchester | ok.... I will get over my problem and bug whoever is on tomorrow >.> |
| 17:32:52 | barry | and doesn't have a portalplayer chip in it |
| 17:33:01 | Winchester | or..... stop being picky and get the vmware image |
| 17:33:09 | Llorean | Winchester: Why don't you use VMWare? |
| 17:33:25 | Winchester | all that cygwin going to waste |
| 17:33:35 | Winchester | what does the image use? |
| 17:33:50 | Llorean | "all that cygwin going to waste"? |
| 17:34:01 | Llorean | The VMWare image is debian linux. |
| 17:34:27 | Winchester | as in..... setting it up and all.... seems like tit took a while.... even though it was just a few steps >.> |
| 17:34:32 | Winchester | *it >_< |
| 17:35:27 | Winchester | ok thanks Llorean I'll just do that. |
| 17:35:37 | Winchester | sure it compiles faster? |
| 17:36:17 | Llorean | I've tested it personally. |
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| 17:36:31 | Indro | hi all |
| 17:36:32 | Llorean | It did for me. |
| 17:37:07 | Indro | I have rockbox-ipodvideo-20070210.zip |
| 17:37:10 | Winchester | and.... is fstab all nice and configured? |
| 17:37:21 | Indro | but there is no rockbox.ipod inside, wheres this file? |
| 17:37:26 | Soap | an abacus compiles faster that cygwin. |
| 17:37:40 | Winchester | what's abacus? |
| 17:38:09 | Llorean | A very old analog predecessor to the calculator. |
| 17:38:17 | Winchester | ah lol |
| 17:38:19 | Indro | The rockbox.zip you have downloaded contains the Rockbox firmware itself (a file called rockbox.ipod) |
| 17:38:21 | Llorean | Indro: Use the latest builds, the dailies are broken. |
| 17:38:28 | markun | not really analog I would say |
| 17:38:40 | Indro | Llorean: ah okay, thanks for info :) |
| 17:38:52 | Llorean | markun: I suppose, there's no electrical at all |
| 17:38:53 | Llorean | Mechanical |
| 17:38:56 | Winchester | ah the thing with the sliding round things? |
| 17:39:11 | Llorean | Indro: Where were you told to use an archived build instead of the latest? |
| 17:39:36 | Indro | Llorean: iirc, I tried the latest first. |
| 17:39:44 | Indro | but will recheck now. |
| 17:39:57 | Soap | Winchester: yes |
| 17:39:59 | Llorean | Indro: Yes, but where did you find a link to the daily build page? |
| 17:40:32 | Indro | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
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| 17:40:47 | Llorean | Indro: Which iPod do you have? |
| 17:41:06 | Indro | 5g, 60gb |
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| 17:41:35 | Llorean | Indro: Why did you ignore the warning at the top of the page? |
| 17:41:46 | bluebrother | urgh. "Album Art support" on the MajorChanges wiki page |
| 17:42:15 | bluebrother | how good I can fix this :) |
| 17:42:40 | Soap | IIRC, the manual also links to the daily builds in exactly the same location of the instructions. How about changing http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml to redirect to http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml while the dailies are broken? |
| 17:42:59 | Indro | Llorean: uh, didnt read that. thanks for the hint. |
| 17:43:01 | Llorean | Soap: How 'bout fixing the manual to not link to the daily page at all? |
| 17:43:22 | Llorean | Soap: We did kinda remove the link in the menubar so people would use the most up to date builds. |
| 17:43:25 | Soap | is the daily builds page going to be down forever? I thought it was temporary. |
| 17:43:31 | Llorean | It's not down. |
| 17:43:35 | Llorean | But some of the builds are broken. |
| 17:43:38 | Soap | "broken" |
| 17:43:59 | Llorean | Soap: You'll notice that the daily builds are now referred to as 'archived' builds, and don't have a link in the menubar |
| 17:44:11 | markun | bluebrother: I think I agree with you that it might be better to have a main menu which is not the root of everything. |
| 17:44:36 | Llorean | There's no real reason someone should be using a daily, in the majority of cases. And asking someone if they have the 'most recent build' they'll often say yes if they've downloaded a daily, thinking that it is. |
| 17:44:47 | Llorean | Daily builds provide a lot of unneeded complication, that 'current' and 'archived' do not |
| 17:45:15 | Soap | I understand that - The reason I suggested the redirect was because I was under the impression that the broken behavior was unintentional, and would change eventually, and it would be easier to redirect one page on a temporay basis, than to change the wikis and manuals, only to change them back again at some point in the future. |
| 17:46:25 | Llorean | Soap: You're confusing two points |
| 17:46:32 | Llorean | The BROKEN status is unintentional |
| 17:46:34 | Llorean | The Current vs Archived status is not |
| 17:46:52 | Llorean | People should not be directed to 'archived' builds as a primary source for Rockbox |
| 17:47:56 | Llorean | Why would we ever change them back to pointing directly to the Archived builds, when people shouldn't be getting them unless they _know_ they want an older build? In which case the link from the Current Builds page should be enough. |
| 17:48:28 | Llorean | Maybe I don't understand your point... |
| 17:49:07 | bluebrother | hmm, the manual still refers the daily builds. I think I'll remove that |
| 17:50:25 | Indro | Llorean: Should the zip be here? http://build.rockbox.org/ |
| 17:50:34 | bluebrother | or should we keep it? At least the link is correct |
| 17:50:42 | Llorean | Indro: Please read the line at the top of the page. |
| 17:51:05 | Llorean | bluebrother: It should at least say "If you wish to use an older, archived build, they're available here" or something. |
| 17:51:10 | Llorean | It needs to be clear that they're outdated builds. |
| 17:51:36 | Indro | ah okay, there are building live, cool thing. |
| 17:51:42 | Indro | *waiting |
| 17:51:44 | bluebrother | I guess I'll just change the title from "Daily" to "Archived" as that is also the term used on the website |
| 17:52:32 | Soap | I was under the impression the only reason Daily builds were not recomended was because of their broken state. I changed the IpodInstallationBeta page to match your edit in IpodInstallation. |
| 17:52:44 | Llorean | Soap: No, we changed it long before they broke. |
| 17:53:05 | Soap | well, aparently everywhere but all the instructions ;) |
| 17:53:05 | Llorean | The problem is that people got the impression that 'daily' builds were the current one, or that 'svn' builds required compiling. |
| 17:53:16 | Llorean | Having just 'Current' makes it clearer that those are the new ones. |
| 17:53:48 | Llorean | Soap: Well, the website came first, it honestly didn't even occur to me that the instructions linked to the daily pages. I wouldn't have made them do so, and I forgot to check. :) |
| 17:54:08 | Llorean | People using daily builds and complaining about a bug that's actually fixed in CVS-now-SVN have been a thorn in my side for a year now. :-P |
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| 17:55:10 | Soap | Why does IpodInstallationBeta link to IpodPort for people with Minis and 4G greys instead of directly to IpodInstallation? Should I just change that? |
| 17:55:25 | Llorean | Probably |
| 17:56:45 | Soap | and on a very similar note - IpodInstallationBeta and IpodInstallation have a circular logic thing going for users of those iPods. IIB says: "Minis and 4Gs go to II" then II says: "All users go to IIB" |
| 17:57:34 | Llorean | Soap: The "all users" one predates the "Go back!" one. |
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| 18:01:18 | Indro | the is still no build on: |
| 18:01:19 | Indro | http://build.rockbox.org/showlog.cgi?date=20070210T135720Z&type=iPod%20Video%20-%20Normal |
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| 18:01:52 | Indro | I refreshed the page after 10 minutes. |
| 18:02:12 | Indro | s/the/there |
| 18:03:00 | Llorean | Indro: That page is not where the builds are. |
| 18:03:08 | Llorean | The 'current build' page has the downloads |
| 18:03:12 | Indro | oh okay, where then? |
| 18:03:16 | Mikachu | Below the table are builds of Rockbox |
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| 18:03:19 | Mikachu | the first sentence on the page |
| 18:03:27 | Llorean | Indro: I thought I already suggested that you read the text on the page. |
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| 18:04:34 | Indro | ah okay, I thought I need to reload the page that I posted. |
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| 18:06:03 | Indro | If builds are not currently showing, wait 5-10 minutes and then refresh _this_ page, |
| 18:06:07 | Indro | would be better imho |
| 18:07:33 | Llorean | Indro: By the time you get to that sentence you already know that the builds are *below* the table though. |
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| 18:08:06 | Llorean | While "this page" might be slightly better, it really shouldn't be a confusing issue |
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| 18:10:37 | Soap | Llorean: now that I have changed all the pages to clarify the Mini/4G grey situation - I hate to ask...is the latest ipodpatcher fixing this whole issue? |
| 18:11:23 | Llorean | Soap: I don't believe it's been fixed yet. |
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| 18:11:50 | Llorean | The latest iPodpatcher does have an even simpler install process though, but by the time the Mini / 4G Gray situation is fixed we probably won't be using iPodPatcher but rather RBUtil |
| 18:12:24 | Soap | wiki changed - oh well, if it saves one noobie question it is worthwhile. |
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| 18:12:35 | Indro | Llorean: okay. |
| 18:13:38 | Indro | its very cool how easy it is to install rockbox on ipod. :) |
| 18:14:17 | fir3 | dito :) |
| 18:14:48 | Domonoky | jeah with rbUtil it will be even easier :-) |
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| 18:20:26 | Winchester | hey.... is the uclinux arm-elf cross compiler different to the one used to compile rockbox? |
| 18:21:11 | Winchester | (sorry for the noobie question) >.> |
| 18:23:37 | Llorean | Winchester: What version is it? |
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| 18:24:58 | mattzz | Hi, any emacs users online? |
| 18:25:17 | Winchester | "ARM cross-compiler Toolchain 3.4.3" ? |
| 18:25:29 | Llorean | Winchester: Then it's not the right version |
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| 18:25:40 | Soap | 4.0.3 is what you need for Rockbox. |
| 18:26:03 | Winchester | ah.... I just checked the ipl wiki.... a lot of which is outdated |
| 18:27:22 | Llorean | Winchester: Being a community project, generally speaking the wiki stays as up to date as the people who notice it's outdated want it to. |
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| 18:28:01 | Winchester | I was just wondering if I would need to make any changes to PATH or install anything new to be able to jump from compiling rockbox to making apps for ipl. |
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| 18:28:40 | Llorean | There's at least a chance that 4.0.3 can create apps that'll work fine for iPL |
| 18:28:54 | Llorean | I think it's the kernel itself that has a strict GCC version requirement |
| 18:29:06 | justjohnny68 | I just looked at the installation section of the on-line manual, and have some suggestions regarding the Current and Release sections and references to Fonts. |
| 18:29:25 | Winchester | ah ok thanks Llorean |
| 18:29:50 | Winchester | ah great.... the Debian vmw image is downloaded :D |
| 18:29:53 | Llorean | justjohnny68: Could you link to what exactly you're calling the 'online manual' as people use that term differently it seems. |
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| 18:31:03 | HairyHippy | Hi all - what app do you use to load tunes onto ipods? |
| 18:31:29 | justjohnny68 | Llorean: This page http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml and then the links to the particular builds such as http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-build.html |
| 18:31:57 | Winchester | HairyHippy:...the file manager? |
| 18:32:28 | Llorean | justjohnny68: Okay then, that's just 'the manual' or if necessary to differentiated it from the PDF manual, 'the html manual', as they're built from the same sources as the PDF. |
| 18:32:36 | HairyHippy | thxs winchester - i'm new to rockbox, so always used to load then using itunes |
| 18:32:48 | Llorean | justjohnny68: What were your concerns relating to it? |
| 18:32:50 | Winchester | ah ok |
| 18:33:11 | Winchester | just.... copying the files is ok if you have the id database in order or the files arranged nicely |
| 18:33:49 | TrueJournals | Or you can use a program like MediaMonkey... WMP works... iTunes will work with iTunesAgent (http://ita.sf.net) |
| 18:33:52 | fir3 | after using rockbox for some hours i came to this conclusion: it rocks! :D |
| 18:34:00 | Winchester | lol fir3 |
| 18:34:04 | Winchester | no doubt about it |
| 18:34:07 | TrueJournals | Tell us something we don't know ;-) |
| 18:34:10 | justjohnny68 | Llorean: thanks will use those terms. As the Current build is the preferred firmware download, and most devices don't have a Release version, perhaps removing mention of a Release version from both the website and at least the manual pages of the devices which don't have a Release, would solve problems. |
| 18:34:14 | HairyHippy | excellent thxs - I have all my files tagged the way i want and in folders by albumn, then artist, etc |
| 18:34:49 | fir3 | crocodiles suck stones to stay under water |
| 18:34:56 | Llorean | justjohnny68: Removing it from the website would be somewhat silly: How would people who *do* have a release target get it? As for the manual, we honestly almost never have confusion over the release build. |
| 18:35:02 | Winchester | :o |
| 18:35:13 | Llorean | justjohnny68: It's the Current/Archived(Daily) issue that causes confusion. |
| 18:35:19 | Winchester | them crazy crocodiles |
| 18:35:35 | Winchester | ah..... Debian files corrupt >_< |
| 18:36:26 | Llorean | justjohnny68: But what about the fonts issue? |
| 18:36:31 | fir3 | does rockbox use more battery than original firmware? |
| 18:36:51 | Winchester | much more |
| 18:37:08 | fir3 | :/ |
| 18:37:13 | Llorean | fir3: On what player? |
| 18:37:21 | fir3 | ipod video |
| 18:37:22 | justjohnny68 | Llorean: Yes, but you seem to stress the use of Current builds, even for devices with Releases. For me a Release build in general means a less buggy version, so when I first came to the site to download, it's a little off putting not to have a Release version. |
| 18:37:29 | markun | fir3: yes |
| 18:37:30 | Llorean | Winchester: It doesn't use more on all players. |
| 18:37:42 | Winchester | I know.... I just knew fir3 had an ipod video |
| 18:37:45 | Llorean | justjohnny68: The release version is over a year old. |
| 18:38:01 | markun | fir3: buy a Gigabeat and you will be fine ;) |
| 18:38:21 | Llorean | Winchester: Well, you should at least state that in your answer. A "yes" means always, often people just see that and thing it means all players if *they* don't know it's better for their own player. |
| 18:38:27 | Winchester | does the Gigabeat have all the features like rockboy and such? |
| 18:38:41 | markun | Winchester: it has no recording and FM |
| 18:38:53 | fir3 | i don't need recording/fm |
| 18:38:59 | markun | but appart from that it's the best (imho) rockbox supported player right now |
| 18:39:03 | Winchester | Touche Llorean |
| 18:39:08 | Llorean | justjohnny68: The release build is less buggy, but it's also very much less featureful. |
| 18:39:12 | Winchester | and thanks Markun |
| 18:39:18 | Winchester | and how is the price when compared to ipods? |
| 18:39:23 | Llorean | Cheaper |
| 18:39:24 | Llorean | Lots. |
| 18:39:35 | Winchester | =) google time |
| 18:39:35 | fir3 | \o/ |
| 18:39:39 | markun | you can get a 2nd hand F40 for about $100 on ebay |
| 18:39:40 | fir3 | yay :) |
| 18:39:53 | Winchester | $US right? |
| 18:39:58 | mattzz | Hi, any emacs users online? |
| 18:40:03 | markun | Winchester: yes |
| 18:40:10 | mattzz | argh, sorry, wrong window |
| 18:40:24 | fir3 | markun: not in germany :/ |
| 18:40:26 | Llorean | Winchester: The price range is US $70-180 for the 40gb one depending on how bidding's going at the time or if you just want to skip it and buy one. |
| 18:40:40 | markun | fir3: no, they were never sold here in Europe (except the UK I think) |
| 18:40:47 | Winchester | I don't generally buy stuff on ebay... what's the RRP? |
| 18:40:49 | justjohnny68 | Llorean: Yes, that is the thing. The release is over a year old, and targeting another release takes energy, time, which I imagine is in short demand. So putting the emphais on the current build as the defacto "supported version" gives people a better since that it is best for them to use and it. |
| 18:41:07 | justjohnny68 | emphais = emphasis |
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| 18:41:17 | Llorean | justjohnny68: I'm not sure I see your point. |
| 18:41:28 | Llorean | We do put the emphasis on the 'current version'. |
| 18:41:31 | markun | Winchester, fir3: I have to go now |
| 18:41:33 | Soap | why is the H10InstallationBeta wiki page claiming there is a version 2.5 for the H10? |
| 18:41:43 | Llorean | Soap: Because someone stupid updated it? |
| 18:42:00 | fir3 | markun: ok, tnx |
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| 18:42:26 | Llorean | I don't like to use that word, but I'm somewhat tired of people with software codec targets responding to "What build version are you running" with "2.5" |
| 18:42:26 | * | Soap considers himself stupid - but hopefully not _that_ stupid. |
| 18:42:28 | Plouj | heh, this is totally OT, but it's so funny: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/rhythmbox-devel/2006-November/msg00060.html - see that guy's signature |
| 18:42:35 | Winchester | take care markun |
| 18:43:04 | fir3 | i found the gigabeat 3gb for 220? |
| 18:44:02 | Llorean | Soap: It doesn't look like the page says it's available though. the next sentence says it's only for archoses. They just cut and paste the section from the manual discribing what builds are out there. |
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| 18:44:20 | Llorean | justjohnny68: What exactly do you think should be done to clarify in the manual? |
| 18:44:21 | Winchester | wait.... before deciding to buy a gigabeat... forgot to consider ipl.... which have grown fond of as well |
| 18:44:50 | Winchester | *... I have... |
| 18:44:51 | justjohnny68 | Yes, but for the quick to download, non (at first) manual reading, version "2.5" using, people who may have limited desire to understand only to point-click and install, there are multiple steps which could be reduced. |
| 18:45:24 | Llorean | justjohnny68: Only Archos users can use 2.5 |
| 18:45:41 | fir3 | Winchester: ipl? |
| 18:45:41 | Llorean | justjohnny68: not to mention, you can't finish the installation without at least *some* manual reading right now. |
| 18:45:51 | Winchester | fir3: iPod Linux |
| 18:46:21 | fir3 | oh, right |
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| 18:48:08 | Llorean | justjohnny68: I really don't understand what you're suggesting should be done at all. I had a hard time even figuring out what you were saying in the last sentence you wrote. |
| 18:48:26 | fir3 | a player with wireless functionality would be interesting(and cool :) |
| 18:49:10 | Winchester | what kind of wireless functionality? |
| 18:49:26 | fir3 | wlan |
| 18:49:33 | Winchester | isn't the ipod airport a way to add wireless functionality to the ipod? |
| 18:50:15 | justjohnny68 | Llorean: My point is the Release build should be deprecated. People using it: probably not many, and what is the first thing you tell someone who uses build version "2.5" and has a problem. Download a Current build. |
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| 18:50:24 | * | fir3 googles ipod airport |
| 18:50:51 | Winchester | (I don't know what I am talking about) |
| 18:51:21 | Winchester | or do I..... you tell me fir3 |
| 18:51:31 | Llorean | justjohnny68: The only problem anyone's ever reported to me with the release version is "It doesn't have feature X" |
| 18:52:07 | fir3 | Winchester: google says you don't ;) |
| 18:52:08 | justjohnny68 | Llorean: Yes, and what do you tell them to do if they want feature X, and it is available. |
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| 18:52:41 | Winchester | does it say I am wrong is Times New Roman? |
| 18:52:50 | Llorean | justjohnny68: To update. But I think they should be able to figure out that a year old version doesn't have the features made available in the last year. 2.5 still offers more stability for Archos users, and many of them seem to prefer it over newer builds. |
| 18:52:55 | Winchester | 'cause Times New Roman is always right.... Comic Sans is questionable.... |
| 18:53:09 | Llorean | justjohnny68: Should we remove the most stable version just because it's old? |
| 18:53:58 | Llorean | justjohnny68: I'm just not sure how we should 'deprecate' it from your perspective. |
| 18:54:22 | Winchester | anyway..... I am gonna go and stop cluttering the convo with stupid questions and disinfo >.>..... Unless I have more stupid questions |
| 18:54:24 | Winchester | 'night |
| 18:54:28 | Llorean | It's physically impossible for anyone but Archos users to use it, and for them there are arguments to use it because it has Rombox which no longer functions with the current build. |
| 18:54:29 | justjohnny68 | Llorean, not necessarily. Just don't put it first everywhere. Put it after any reference to Current build. That visually ranks it. |
| 18:54:44 | justjohnny68 | ranks it lower. |
| 18:55:18 | Llorean | justjohnny68: That also suggests to people who don't read the full thing that the 'Current build' is a release version. |
| 18:55:31 | Llorean | Again you encounter the issue of people skimming |
| 18:55:41 | fir3 | i think there sould definitely be a newer stable build |
| 18:55:43 | Llorean | Only this time they see 'Current Build' and a link, and get no further information than that. |
| 18:55:51 | Llorean | fir3: Then make Rockbox stable. |
| 18:56:08 | fir3 | define 'stable' |
| 18:56:13 | Llorean | fir3: last time we tried, there weren't enough people willing to work on actively fixing bugs. Are you? |
| 18:56:28 | fir3 | hum ok you're right |
| 18:56:35 | Llorean | fir3: You're the one who said there should be a stable build. What do YOU consider stable? |
| 18:56:45 | Llorean | We've tried, last year, to put out a 3.0 |
| 18:56:50 | Llorean | Well, the year before, honestly. |
| 18:57:11 | fir3 | hrm.. |
| 18:57:17 | Winchester | Rockbox is unstable? It doesn't crash on me or freeze.... unless I do something stupid >.> |
| 18:57:52 | Llorean | Winchester: There are still some reproducable bugs in the playback system involving skipping at the end of songs, as well as I believe some voice issues. |
| 18:57:57 | fir3 | what about making it easier to access the current build? (with a 'at your own risk' warning) |
| 18:58:17 | Llorean | fir3: How do you get easier than 'download and extract'? |
| 18:58:53 | Winchester | Ah.... ok I don't normally rewind at the end of songs or use the voicing thing... |
| 18:59:02 | fir3 | an installer would be easier...but maybe too easy.. |
| 18:59:11 | Winchester | heh.... suppose attaching the bootloader isn't as simple as it could be |
| 18:59:16 | justjohnny68 | Llorean: I guess what I'm really after is either another Release to better reflect what rockbox can do now, or don't worry about a release version. Remove reference to the release version so there are no expectations generated that there will be one. |
| 18:59:32 | Llorean | justjohnny68: There will be one, eventually. |
| 18:59:33 | Indro | I activated database instead of file browser and get database not ready, what I must do? just waiting? |
| 18:59:43 | Llorean | fir3: There is an installer, RBUtil. |
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| 19:00:07 | Llorean | fir3: It's pretty much functional for installing builds, once you've got your bootloader set up. |
| 19:00:13 | fir3 | haven't seen it on the main page :) |
| 19:00:15 | Indro | and what database is it? from the files I have in root directory or that from itunes? |
| 19:00:33 | Llorean | fir3: Because it's only 'mostly' ready. |
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| 19:00:38 | justjohnny68 | Llorean: So while my bug squashing skills may not be that great yet. I would be willing to help organize a group which targets a stable Release. Do QA work etc. |
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| 19:01:02 | Indro | still database not ready :/ |
| 19:01:21 | Llorean | justjohnny68: What a stable release needs is people who are dedicated to doing the programming side of it, and users who are dedicated to actually trying to reproduce bugs instead of using unsupported builds. |
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| 19:03:11 | Llorean | Next time there's a feature freeze, I would like to temporarily close our unsupported build forums and replace them with a notice to the extent of "For a 3.0 to be possible, we need ALL users to be using the official build, and filing proper bug reports (see guidelines here). If you want a 3.0 release to ever happen, we need YOUR help. So for the duration of the freeze, unsupported builds will not be listed in our forums." |
| 19:04:20 | justjohnny68 | Llorean: Yes, so we should start a wiki page which states the goals of a stable release, post messages in the forums asking for developers and testers interested in joining the effort. Maybe post a poll for must have features for the next stable release to see what's wanted. |
| 19:04:23 | desowin | Indro: reboot |
| 19:04:40 | Indro | desowin: ok, mom |
| 19:04:46 | Llorean | justjohnny68: New features should NOT be part of the release. |
| 19:04:47 | HairyHippy_ | installed rockbox on ipod photo, following the manual. got to point where says disconnect and reboot player - it's been on the apple symbol for 5 minutes now - tried restarting player but doesn't resolve - any suggestions? |
| 19:04:50 | desowin | Indro: oh, and in settings set to use database (initialize now) |
| 19:05:00 | Indro | desowin: did that. ;) |
| 19:05:07 | Llorean | justjohnny68: The features that Rockbox-current has when going into the freeze will be the features it comes out with, or it'll never get done |
| 19:05:09 | justjohnny68 | Llorean: I agree with that: |
| 19:05:25 | Indro | coooooool, it works, thanks! :) |
| 19:05:36 | Llorean | justjohnny68: As for the rest, it's all stuff we tried, people just vanished. They went to use unsupported builds, or continued working on patches posting them to the tracker with "I know it's a feature freeze, so hopefully you'll include it after you list the freeze" |
| 19:05:56 | Llorean | lift the freeze |
| 19:06:12 | Indro | now loading some themes. |
| 19:06:15 | Llorean | People want something they can use, not something they can work on. |
| 19:07:27 | Indro | is somewhere a theme package that includes all themes? =) |
| 19:07:34 | HairyHippy_ | can connect to pc now either |
| 19:07:42 | HairyHippy_ | can't* |
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| 19:08:42 | Winchester | HairyHippy: Reset if you get the same thing again.... look up info on getting into disk mode. |
| 19:08:45 | Llorean | HairyHippy_: Which installation instructions did you use? Also, upon rebooting the player you should be able to force disk mode with Select+Play |
| 19:09:44 | HairyHippy_ | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodcolor/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 - i used these instrutions to install - will try forcing disk mode now |
| 19:10:19 | HairyHippy_ | ok got it back to disk mode |
| 19:10:43 | HairyHippy_ | I'll try and reinstall again |
| 19:10:44 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:10:49 | Llorean | HairyHippy_: Try uninstalling and then following the instructions here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation (make sure to download the versions of the files this page specifically tells you to use) |
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| 19:10:51 | justjohnny68 | Llorean: Then that points towards "deprecating" the whole release concept. No, old doesn't mean unusable, but as you point out people want something usable and generally want the latest and greatest. By not mentioning a Release version, particularly if one doesn't seem possible, you've reduced the noise in chat, forums, etc. Rockbox can have the motto "We're so good, we don't need no stinking Release" |
| 19:11:05 | webguest61 | hi |
| 19:11:12 | HairyHippy_ | Lloran & Wincherster: thxs |
| 19:11:42 | Winchester | I didn't do anything.... but any time =) |
| 19:11:50 | webguest61 | I have transcend 610 music player can any version of rockbox support this. |
| 19:11:54 | Llorean | justjohnny68: There's very _very_ little 'noise' about a release. |
| 19:12:19 | Llorean | justjohnny68: Honestly, I'm wondering what you've seen that makes you think steps need to be taken on this issue. It sounds like a solution searching for a problem, overall. |
| 19:12:28 | Llorean | Is there somewhere you feel there's a bunch of noise on this issue? |
| 19:12:45 | Llorean | webguest61: is it in the list on the front page of the site? |
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| 19:13:26 | webguest61 | Llorean: No |
| 19:13:28 | justjohnny68 | Llorean: Fonts: need their own subheading after the Release, Current, Archived. At least I would change the link in the manual from http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras |
| 19:13:46 | Llorean | webguest61: I guess you have your answer. |
| 19:14:15 | Llorean | justjohnny68: The link does need to be updated to point to the extras, but it really shouldn't be a 'build' category. |
| 19:14:47 | | Nick Everybody is now known as Everybody|away (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) |
| 19:15:51 | webguest61 | Llorean: I was hoping that there was something like a similar model or a basic version, guess I'am outa luck. |
| 19:18:21 | directhex | webguest61, you could port it yourself. |
| 19:19:06 | webguest61 | Thanks all |
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| 19:19:43 | Soap | my god, there are a lot of wiki pages still calling out the daily builds! |
| 19:21:34 | Winchester | hey, what's a decent amount of RAM to put on the VM to compile rockbox? |
| 19:21:50 | Llorean | Winchester: The amount it defaults to is fine. |
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| 19:22:04 | Winchester | >.> I don't have enough to support the default amount |
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| 19:22:38 | Llorean | Well you'll kinda have to experiment then |
| 19:22:54 | Winchester | right now..... I can only give it 144 will that be too slow? |
| 19:23:07 | Llorean | Try it and see? |
| 19:24:02 | Winchester | Touche |
| 19:24:19 | Soap | I give coLinux only 64. |
| 19:24:21 | Llorean | Well a lot of it will also depend on things like raw CPU speed, etc, anyway. |
| 19:24:40 | Soap | There is no reason that I can think of that the vmware image will need to see more. |
| 19:24:49 | | Nick Everybody|away is now known as Everybody (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) |
| 19:25:16 | Winchester | hmm..... thanks Soap and Llorean |
| 19:25:43 | Winchester | 'cept I think the VMWare virtual disk is corrupt again >_< |
| 19:25:51 | justjohnny68 | Llorean: I see downloading fonts as fairly important step of the installation process. Since they need to be downloaded seperately for anyone using a current build (and stable release users will most likely want them), I see it as a seperate subheading of section "2.2.2.  Installing the firmware" in the manual. |
| 19:26:47 | Winchester | What's a minimalistic enough linux distro to use just for rockbox? |
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| 19:27:34 | Llorean | justjohnny68: It has a note *immediately* after the builds. |
| 19:27:48 | Llorean | justjohnny68: Since the builds are mutually exclusive, and the fonts are not, I don't see why it should be listed like the builds. |
| 19:30:27 | Soap | Winchester: try the colinux image - everything works except I need to update it for building the manual and simulators. |
| 19:31:24 | Winchester | is there a rockbox ready image up or do you mean just a coLinux image? |
| 19:32:15 | midgey | hmm speaking of fonts, anyone want to fix win_crox6hbo ? |
| 19:32:41 | Llorean | midgey: What's broken? |
| 19:33:09 | Winchester | oh hey.... it's 5:30AM O_O...... don't you hate it when you forget to sleep and then realise it's you and your gf's anniversary today and you're meant to be meeting her soon? >_< |
| 19:33:26 | midgey | Llorean: the glyphs appear to be cut off on the right side |
| 19:33:59 | obo | bluebrother: does your last commit now say "use a current build build." ?? |
| 19:34:26 | * | linuxstb fights Soap over the spelling of the metal used to encase the new Nano |
| 19:34:44 | Soap | oh poop, bad habit. Won't do it again. |
| 19:34:50 | bluebrother | obo, yeps :o |
| 19:36:03 | Soap | I feel like I am walking on sacred ground modifying the GeneralFAQ wiki page - but I feel compelled to snip the line "We ask that you _do not_ submit bug reports for Bleeding Edge builds, but would love to hear any reports you may have about Release or Daily build versions." |
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| 19:38:50 | midgey | Llorean: see 6031 for details |
| 19:39:12 | Winchester | Hey Soap, do you use Debian or something else for coLinux? |
| 19:39:22 | Soap | Winchester: debian |
| 19:39:27 | Winchester | Thanks |
| 19:39:40 | Winchester | does it use apt, yum or what? |
| 19:39:53 | Soap | debian IS apt ;) |
| 19:40:11 | * | ender` has gentoo setup as colinux |
| 19:40:21 | merbanan | how much memory is there for audio codecs in rockbox ? |
| 19:40:25 | Winchester | *confused look* O_o ahmm ok =) |
| 19:40:32 | HairyHippy_ | Llorean: I followed everything on the link you gave me - do I now follow the link that I posted? |
| 19:40:44 | Soap | look at the vmware and colinux wiki pages and you will see a pretty complete list of what you would need to install on a base Debian image. |
| 19:41:35 | Winchester | wouldn't it mainly be svn, gcc and arm-elf toolchain? |
| 19:42:37 | Llorean | HairyHippy_: no, you just use that page. |
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| 19:42:44 | Soap | make 3.81 would be nice. |
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| 19:43:24 | Winchester | thought that would come standard >.> |
| 19:43:53 | directhex | "build-essential" depends on the usual development things like libc headers, gcc, g++, and make. amongst others |
| 19:44:26 | preglow | hrm |
| 19:44:29 | Winchester | yeah, shouldn't have problems with all that |
| 19:44:32 | preglow | why haven't i gotten any rockbox mails? |
| 19:44:36 | linuxstb | merbanan: There is 512KB for code and data, plus a separate 512KB malloc buffer. But I think we want to either greatly reduce or even remove the malloc buffer. |
| 19:44:40 | ender` | colinux had a gentoo image already prepared last time i looked, and with gentoo, to get the cross-compilers you need, you just need to do emerge crossdev && crossdev -s1 -t your-target |
| 19:44:42 | preglow | anything up with mailing? |
| 19:44:49 | obo | preglow: working here... |
| 19:45:14 | Winchester | gah.... allready chose Debian |
| 19:45:36 | preglow | i haven't gotten squat about the latest commits at all |
| 19:45:47 | Winchester | anyway....... have that thing to do today that I need sleep for...... |
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| 19:45:49 | Winchester | 'night |
| 19:45:53 | Soap | ender`: coLinux has beed debian based since Jdgordon's image - mine is as well. |
| 19:46:09 | preglow | hcs: have you called ci->configure(DSP_SET_SAMPLE_DEPTH, x) with the correct number? |
| 19:46:14 | Soap | ahh - I misread what you were saying. |
| 19:46:20 | preglow | hcs: only thing i can think of |
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| 19:53:08 | midkay | hey Slasheri? |
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| 19:56:03 | BigMac | Hey guys I finally have ubuntu running:) |
| 19:56:38 | HairyHippy_ | could someone help me - having difficulty installing rockbox - Llorean gave me this link http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation - got to testing part of step 2 and everything ok - so I move on to step 3 no? |
| 19:57:10 | midkay | HairyHippy: naturally, if you finish one step, you move onto the next, yes :) |
| 19:58:38 | linuxstb | HairyHippy: Which ipod do you have? |
| 19:58:52 | HairyHippy_ | linuxstb: photo/color |
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| 19:59:08 | HairyHippy_ | so i go to the intsallation part of step 3 |
| 19:59:27 | linuxstb | Then I'm not sure why Llorean gave you those very old instructions. Use these - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
| 19:59:56 | HairyHippy_ | ok - i'll try those thanks |
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| 20:00:23 | linuxstb | HairyHippy: Is your ipod currently working? i.e. does the Apple firmware run? |
| 20:00:29 | HairyHippy_ | yes |
| 20:00:44 | linuxstb | Then those instructions will be fine. |
| 20:01:42 | HairyHippy_ | i'll give them a try :) |
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| 20:05:19 | Soap | linuxstb: IpodInstallation only for Mini / 4G grey - correct? |
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| 20:09:44 | HairyHippy_ | linuxstb: followed everything on that page too and I now I get "can't load rockbox.ipod" |
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| 20:11:43 | fir3_ | HairyHippy_ did you copy rockbox.ipod on your ipod? |
| 20:12:17 | Brunellus | hi there |
| 20:12:35 | fir3_ | hi |
| 20:12:39 | Brunellus | is there any way to generate playlists for rockbox OUTSIDE of rockbox? |
| 20:12:41 | HairyHippy_ | fir3_: - no i'll do that now - doesn't say that on the link |
| 20:12:48 | Brunellus | as in, in rhythmbox or similar |
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| 20:14:06 | HairyHippy_ | fir3: - where do i copy it to? |
| 20:15:02 | bluebrother | Brunellus, sure. Just create standard m3u files |
| 20:15:08 | bluebrother | (or m3u8) |
| 20:15:52 | bluebrother | and make sure they use either relative paths or paths referring to the root of your player, not the pc |
| 20:16:15 | BigMac | is there anyone here who uses ubuntu? |
| 20:16:19 | Brunellus | bluebrother so any m3u8 file with the right paths should work? |
| 20:16:41 | bluebrother | it should. |
| 20:16:45 | Brunellus | ok. |
| 20:18:02 | HairyHippy_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta - I followed these instructions to install rockbox and when disconnect iPod and reboot it says "can't load rockbox.ipod" |
| 20:18:10 | linuxstb | HairyHippy_: "Step 1" on the page I pointed you to tells you to install Rockbox... |
| 20:18:20 | linuxstb | Step 2 is the bootloader. |
| 20:18:54 | linuxstb | Soap: Yes, both mini generations and the 4g greyscale. |
| 20:18:57 | HairyHippy_ | d'oh - must stop scan reading - soz |
| 20:19:28 | linuxstb | Nothing on that page should be scanned - it's there for a reason. |
| 20:21:01 | HairyHippy_ | linuxstb: your right, soz again |
| 20:21:50 | |Rincewind| | BigMac: I use Ubuntu |
| 20:22:23 | BigMac | do you use evolution mail? |
| 20:22:42 | |Rincewind| | only as a backup for gmail, why? |
| 20:25:16 | BigMac | do you have the mail notification for it installed |
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| 20:52:58 | * | linuxstb hugs svn as he moves ipodpatcher into rbutil/ |
| 20:53:34 | Domonoky | just moving the files ? |
| 20:53:43 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 20:53:57 | Domonoky | ok, thats good.. |
| 20:54:31 | linuxstb | We can still keep ipodpatcher as a standalone utility, but it makes it easier to compile with rbutil. |
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| 20:54:52 | * | Domonoky tries at the moment to integrate fwpatcher :-) |
| 20:55:02 | preglow | good luck |
| 20:55:09 | Brunellus | grumble. |
| 20:55:22 | Brunellus | rhythmbox won't let me create playlists outside its designated library |
| 20:55:28 | preglow | when i wrote that, my primary concern was not spending too much time doing so, heh |
| 20:55:28 | HairyHippy_ | linuxstb: all installed thxs for your help |
| 20:55:32 | linuxstb | preglow: Do I remember correctly that you wrote fwpatcher? |
| 20:55:33 | Brunellus | which means I'd have to make the iriver my library by default |
| 20:55:38 | preglow | linuxstb: deed |
| 20:55:49 | linuxstb | Nasty Windows-only application :) |
| 20:55:49 | Brunellus | which is exactly now thwat I want to do, since that'll be putting all my eggs in one basket. |
| 20:55:50 | * | Brunellus scowls. |
| 20:55:56 | Brunellus | oh yeah. |
| 20:55:58 | preglow | linuxstb: couln't be bothered with any dll deps |
| 20:56:09 | Brunellus | is this where I flame someone for putting the themes in winzip format? |
| 20:56:14 | Brunellus | what the hell was wrong with gzip? |
| 20:56:23 | preglow | also, i couldn't be bothered to learn any new gui toolkit |
| 20:56:27 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 20:56:28 | preglow | gui coding isn't what i enjoy the most |
| 20:56:33 | linuxstb | Brunellus: Because gzip will only compress a single file... |
| 20:56:42 | Domonoky | i integrate it in rbUtils.. but its not easy.. :-) |
| 20:56:45 | Brunellus | tar.gz? |
| 20:56:52 | Mikachu | Brunellus: just install unzip |
| 20:57:01 | Brunellus | Mikachu, I'm running linux? |
| 20:57:06 | Mikachu | so? |
| 20:57:08 | linuxstb | "apt-get install unzip" ? |
| 20:57:24 | linuxstb | ZIP is a very open format thanks to the infozip project. |
| 20:57:51 | Brunellus | I still don't understand why the themes couldn't just be packaged like the usual rockbox firmware |
| 20:57:52 | preglow | the infozip project should endavour to factorise their program into a factory |
| 20:57:55 | Brunellus | that's a dir as well |
| 20:57:57 | preglow | i'd love to use some of their algos |
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| 20:58:06 | preglow | s/factory/library |
| 20:58:08 | preglow | god, i suck |
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| 21:01:09 | linuxstb | Domonoky: About your ipodpatcher patch, I think it would be more useful to have a "targetname" field - this is the "ipodnano", "ipodcolor" etc part. Will you be happy with that? |
| 21:01:51 | Domonoky | thats ok, as long as i can construct the URL out of it.. :-) |
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| 21:10:13 | linuxstb | Domonoky: I've just committed changes to ipodpatcher very similar to your patch - adding targetname instead of bootloadername. |
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| 21:13:51 | Domonoky | oki, i will adjust my patch.. :-) |
| 21:15:13 | linuxstb | Can you change it to just have one Code::Blocks project? i.e. compiling the required ipodpatcher .c files together with the rest of rbutil? |
| 21:16:06 | Domonoky | yes, should be possible, now that you moved the ipodpatcher files.. |
| 21:33:01 | linuxstb | Domonoky: You should also add yourself to the list of contributors as part of your patch (in credits.h) |
| 21:33:26 | Domonoky | i think i am already in the credits.. |
| 21:33:48 | * | Domonoky longtime rockbox user.. :-) |
| 21:34:01 | linuxstb | Yes you are, but there's a separate list of rbutil contributors in the About box in rbutil. |
| 21:34:24 | Domonoky | ah, didnt know that, will do.. |
| 21:34:38 | linuxstb | I've just been playing with your latest windows binary, and noticed it... |
| 21:35:24 | linuxstb | You probably already know this, but: 1) The "select drive" dialog is still there for ipods; 2) It didn't detect my ipod, but then carried on anyway and tried to download a bootloader called "none". |
| 21:35:46 | Domonoky | jeah, i fixed this already.. |
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| 21:35:55 | Domonoky | a bug.. :-) |
| 21:37:10 | senab | has anyone noticed a bug on the ipod where when rockbox is booted with the usb cable inserted it doesn't boot into disk mode, instead it freezes? |
| 21:37:26 | linuxstb | People have reported that with the COP patch. |
| 21:37:53 | linuxstb | Or are you getting it with a clean build? |
| 21:38:10 | senab | currently i am using a cop build, i'll try a cvs build now |
| 21:38:20 | obo | I've had it with a clean build |
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| 21:39:02 | senab | it happens everytime with my build |
| 21:39:15 | senab | i have to let rockbox fully boot, then insert the usb cable |
| 21:39:42 | linuxstb | obo: Have you had that problem for a long time, or just since the USB detection code change? |
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| 21:40:36 | linuxstb | I think the new USB detection code is starting to cause some problems - at least, it seems to have the ability to crash Mac OS X's USB stack... I'm investigating. |
| 21:40:38 | carl | it is possible to someone to test the WinCE 5 Emulator ? |
| 21:40:38 | obo | I think just since the detection change, although I wasn't paying that much attention |
| 21:40:46 | carl | http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=A120E012-CA31-4BE9-A3BF-B9BF4F64CE72&displaylang=en |
| 21:40:53 | carl | with the Gigabeat S firm. |
| 21:41:47 | senab | i know this has absolutely nothing to do with rockbox, but does anyone know of a tool that lets me look at the raw id3 tags in mp3's |
| 21:42:01 | senab | i'd like to know some of the mappings a program is using |
| 21:42:19 | obo | linuxstb: hangs with a "Loading..." splash - no HDD activity, but the disc keeps spinning |
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| 21:42:59 | linuxstb | obo: That's very odd - I'm not sure what it's trying to load. |
| 21:43:36 | obo | I keep a fairly large playlist (~4000 tracks) going, and have resume on startup enabled |
| 21:45:25 | linuxstb | So the problem is on startup/ |
| 21:45:29 | linuxstb | ? |
| 21:45:29 | obo | if I turn off the resume it hangs on the file browser, hdd icon on, no activity, again the disc is spinning. Backlight thread responds, none of the buttons do |
| 21:46:03 | senab | thats what i get too |
| 21:46:11 | senab | i'm booting a cvs build now |
| 21:46:14 | obo | linuxstb: I've also had it hang on the usb icon screen when connecting the cable |
| 21:46:22 | senab | me too |
| 21:46:40 | obo | If I remove the cable there is some disc activity, reinserting then normally makes it reboot as it should |
| 21:47:09 | senab | its working with the cvs build |
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| 21:53:42 | Domonoky | linuxstb, i have to make seperate c::b project files. ipodpatcher doesnt like to compile together with wxwidget (or the other way round, i get errors deep in wxwidgets ), so i have to make libs out of ipodpatcher and fwpatcher |
| 21:56:15 | linuxstb | Sounds like fun... |
| 21:57:01 | Domonoky | making static libs is easy, solving those wxwidgets errors is not.. |
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| 22:00:27 | linuxstb | Domonoky: I've just tried compiling your patch in Linux, and had no problems at all, just adding ipodpatcher/ipodpatcher.o and ipodpatcher/ipodio-posix.o to the objects. |
| 22:00:37 | linuxstb | (and compiling them with gcc instead of g++) |
| 22:01:28 | Domonoky | hm.. then c::b probably tries to compile with g++, i will have to play a bit with it.. |
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| 22:03:17 | linuxstb | Although it's not working. The bootloader wizard drop-down list is empty. I think I remember this problem from last time I tested though... |
| 22:03:50 | Domonoky | jeah this version has problems.. |
| 22:03:59 | Domonoky | it was to late yesterday.. |
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| 22:04:26 | dj-fu | hi |
| 22:04:30 | Domonoky | i will upload a new version, when i get this linking things sorted.. |
| 22:06:55 | linuxstb | I fixed the drop-down list option - it seems rbutil was looking the ini file in /usr/local/share/rbutil/rbutil.ini |
| 22:08:15 | Domonoky | i didnt change form where it takes the ini file |
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| 22:08:38 | * | linuxstb realises he needs to plug in both ends of his USB cable... |
| 22:08:45 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 22:09:26 | senab | A patch was included today and its flyspray page closed, but i've extended it slightly. Should i open a new flyspray page? lol |
| 22:09:34 | linuxstb | Hmm... It's still not finding my ipod though - it's downloading bootloader "none". I'll wait for your next patch. |
| 22:09:54 | Domonoky | jeah wait for the next patch.. |
| 22:10:49 | linuxstb | senab: Yes, I think so. |
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| 22:11:13 | senab | it's only one line add though haha |
| 22:11:15 | linuxstb | Unless you can attract the attention of whoever committed the patch. |
| 22:11:37 | senab | it makes the patch 100x better though |
| 22:12:07 | linuxstb | What's the change? |
| 22:12:12 | senab | a id3 mapping |
| 22:12:28 | linuxstb | Is it controversial? |
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| 22:12:47 | tucoz | evening |
| 22:13:27 | senab | basically the new album artist patch maps the album artist tag to 'TPE2' which is more commonly known as band. I've just added a mapping that also allows it uses foobar2000's album artist mapping |
| 22:13:36 | senab | which is much more common |
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| 22:14:04 | senab | Miika Pekkarinen commited it |
| 22:14:21 | tucoz | linuxstb: yesterday when i tried to find info on the tcc77x chip, i found some references in the logs to some player you had (logik, iirc). did you investigate this a lot, and what do you think of that chip? |
| 22:14:34 | linuxstb | Yes, I'm just looking at the patch - it maps TPE2 to albumartist. |
| 22:14:43 | tucoz | a _lot_ of players use that architecture |
| 22:14:48 | senab | foobar maps it to TXXX |
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| 22:15:14 | tucoz | like the next pp rockbox :) |
| 22:15:17 | linuxstb | tucoz: I never found a firmware upgrade for that player, so that sort of stopped any port before it began... |
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| 22:15:59 | linuxstb | They seem nice-enough chips, but I don't think I found any datasheets. |
| 22:16:03 | tucoz | ah. i see. i found one yesterday, for that bestbuy player |
| 22:16:34 | tucoz | hehe. i think that is a hard task. I found some russian sites with heaps of data sheets. however all the links to that chips are dead |
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| 22:17:02 | linuxstb | senab: I know nothing at all about id3v2 tags, so don't really want to commit your change - I've no idea if it's good or bad. |
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| 22:17:35 | * | tucoz mutters "stupid web client" |
| 22:18:32 | Bagder | tucoz: those telechips are of the secret flavour |
| 22:18:39 | tucoz | sure looks like it |
| 22:19:08 | senab | i'm going to test it first anyway, theres a forum thread so i'll just post it on there |
| 22:19:19 | tucoz | but it would open up a new dimension in terms of ports, if a port was successful for one of the tcc77x players |
| 22:19:33 | linuxstb | Indeed, we're short on ports :) |
| 22:19:33 | Bagder | indeed |
| 22:19:36 | tucoz | hehe |
| 22:19:38 | Bagder | haha |
| 22:19:41 | tucoz | right |
| 22:20:24 | Bagder | it would be a lot easier to pick a TMS320 target, if you're in the business looking for a new port |
| 22:21:10 | senab | infact forget about that patch linuxstb, ive just remembered txxx frames are user text frames and would filtering if used |
| 22:21:12 | * | tucoz googles |
| 22:22:13 | tucoz | isn't that also a chip of the secret flavour? |
| 22:22:33 | desowin | after benchmarking cop8 patch gives 1 hour less working-time on mini :( |
| 22:22:35 | Bagder | yes, but there are leaked docs and archopen has working code |
| 22:22:45 | tucoz | cool |
| 22:23:20 | Llorean | desowin: Compared to the same build, same playlist, and no keypresses without the patch? |
| 22:23:30 | desowin | the same conditions |
| 22:23:32 | tucoz | mmmm. leaked docs |
| 22:23:46 | Llorean | desowin: 'the same conditions' is a very fuzzy statement. |
| 22:24:08 | desowin | the same svn revision, the same album, no backlight |
| 22:24:11 | Llorean | desowin: If you play the same long playlist on shuffle, you can have a very different sequence of songs, especially if they're VBR. |
| 22:24:22 | desowin | no shuffle |
| 22:24:49 | desowin | Llorean: I've attached battery_bench's to wiki |
| 22:24:54 | Llorean | Odd, I got more battery life with KoC6 |
| 22:25:17 | Llorean | Which wiki page? |
| 22:25:24 | desowin | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime |
| 22:25:43 | Llorean | Which two battery benches? |
| 22:26:01 | desowin | Repeat album (63.3MB; 46m00s); MP3 192kbps under mini 2g |
| 22:26:28 | tucoz | Bagder: is this interesting, in the terms of a TMS320 target? http://rtg.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de/en/forschung/bildungsportal-sachsen/gcc-c6x.html |
| 22:27:19 | tucoz | looks like old news, after i read it |
| 22:28:05 | Bagder | I believe there is a free assembler for the dsp |
| 22:28:17 | Llorean | desowin: Your conclusion is flawed |
| 22:28:18 | tucoz | ok |
| 22:28:29 | Llorean | desowin: Look how much time passes between 90% and 10% |
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| 22:28:57 | Llorean | desowin: Because the two patches started at different levels, use a range from the middle |
| 22:29:10 | Llorean | desowin: The KoC bench takes longer to use up that 80% of the battery than the one without it. |
| 22:29:18 | desowin | well, I couldn't get 100% of battery using cop patch |
| 22:29:21 | Llorean | So KoC is actually getting better battery life across a consistent voltage range. |
| 22:30:34 | Soap | Mirroring what Llorean said - the 100-90 times and 10-0 times are very dramaticly different between those two battery benchs - leading to suspicion of battery weakness or less-than-perfect charging. |
| 22:30:35 | Llorean | desowin: Rockbox doesn't charge well yet, as it draws power slowly. As well, rebooting or the backlight being on at the start of the test or the disk spinning or you spending more time in menus can also skew. |
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| 22:31:04 | Llorean | Soap: But 90-10 should be _relatively_ good basis of comparison |
| 22:31:26 | Llorean | And in the 90-10 range, KoC8 got 20 more minutes, which is a non-insignificant number. |
| 22:31:35 | Soap | it should be - the 10-0 life is dramaticly altered by disk access. |
| 22:31:52 | Soap | as one buffer fill when at sub 10% can cause a shutdown. |
| 22:32:03 | desowin | if that would help - I can provide .scrobbler.log |
| 22:32:20 | senab | that wouldn't help desowin |
| 22:32:45 | desowin | btw. does benchmarks help ? |
| 22:32:50 | Everybody | I'm off to Granada |
| 22:32:51 | Everybody | bye people |
| 22:32:53 | Llorean | desowin: There's already enough information in the benches, it just helps to make sure you're using parts of them that can be consistently measured. |
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| 22:33:24 | * | mattzz updated rocklife and maze plugin on the tracker (FS #6616/FS #6636). Some fixes and 4 spaces indented source code :-P |
| 22:33:41 | senab | how eventually will the battery become more accurate? |
| 22:33:55 | senab | *battery meter |
| 22:34:03 | Soap | when discharge rates are more accurately modeled? |
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| 22:34:34 | senab | i was thinking that, so how is rockbox currently modelling the discharge? linerally? |
| 22:34:38 | Soap | since voltage drop is not consistant with time even when drain is. |
| 22:34:40 | Llorean | senab: The beginning and ending of the curve are always gonna be questionable anyway. Especially the end. |
| 22:35:10 | Soap | Llorean: Do you want me to add a 90-10 column to the runtime logs? |
| 22:35:12 | senab | oh i know that, i can never get 100% battery or 0% battery |
| 22:35:30 | Llorean | Soap: I think that would actually be useful, yes. |
| 22:35:50 | senab | as soon as i release the charge it drops to ~80%, and it dies at ~7% |
| 22:35:58 | Llorean | Soap: The problem is that the 90 and 10 points might move once we have a better discharge curve, right? |
| 22:36:07 | Soap | I'll work on that tonight - I believe I removed 90% of all wiki references to the daily builds, and 99% of the ones people read. |
| 22:36:15 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 22:36:16 | Soap | Llorean: TrueJournals |
| 22:36:26 | Soap | ggrrr |
| 22:36:29 | Soap | Llorean: true |
| 22:36:43 | Llorean | Hahaha |
| 22:36:52 | Soap | the only advantage of adding it will be for quick reference for those who care to look. |
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| 22:38:04 | senab | and who care to add to it |
| 22:38:11 | Llorean | Yeah. |
| 22:38:54 | Soap | senab: I already clean up the page as is- won't be too much work to add that as well. |
| 22:39:04 | senab | whereabouts in the source is the battery discharge algo then? |
| 22:39:44 | Soap | desowin: Really do apreciate you doing matched tests, though. All those unmatched tests are so frustraitingly less-than-informative. |
| 22:42:35 | Soap | senab: sounds like you need a new battery. |
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| 22:44:16 | senab | i was thinking that but i still get a good 8 hours of it with rockbox |
| 22:44:30 | senab | with normal use (changing album, etc etc |
| 22:44:37 | Soap | the instant drop to 80% means it isn't holding peak voltage anymore... |
| 22:45:04 | senab | hang on, it's fully charge now so i'll test |
| 22:45:18 | Soap | but 8 hours of real-world usage is pretty good-I baby mine to get through a ten-hour day. |
| 22:45:19 | senab | *charged |
| 22:45:44 | senab | i set the backlight really low unless i need it |
| 22:46:34 | senab | you hold menu and insert the cable to charge don't you? |
| 22:46:42 | senab | (off usb) |
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| 22:48:58 | senab | i was searching 'rockbox' on google tday and saw my build's site comes above the rockbox forums lol |
| 22:49:52 | scorche | i dont see that |
| 22:50:06 | senab | second page |
| 22:50:08 | Llorean | I see the forums on the first page, but no senab build. |
| 22:50:12 | scorche | but i do see rockbox installer x at number 5 |
| 22:50:24 | scorche | 6 even |
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| 22:50:49 | Genre9mp3 | senab: not the case here, too |
| 22:51:04 | senab | which google you using? |
| 22:51:08 | senab | .com? |
| 22:51:14 | scorche | yes |
| 22:51:23 | scorche | i am at least, as i am sure Llorean is aswell |
| 22:51:32 | belze | did anyone test the wma-decoder from FS #4984 yet? |
| 22:51:47 | senab | i'm using uk |
| 22:51:49 | Genre9mp3 | .com here, too |
| 22:52:33 | senab | hang on |
| 22:52:59 | senab | grrr i keep getting redirected to google.co.uk |
| 22:53:02 | Genre9mp3 | yes, with google.com.uk I get your site above rockbox forums |
| 22:53:20 | Genre9mp3 | both in the second page |
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| 22:53:26 | senab | it should really matter as i'm using the global search |
| 22:53:30 | senab | )shouldn't |
| 22:53:41 | senab | oh well |
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| 22:53:51 | Llorean | Hrm, the wma decoder is at a wmatowav plugin point? |
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| 22:54:12 | belze | seems so |
| 22:54:34 | senab | is it based off the ffmpeg decoder? |
| 22:54:39 | belze | but as i dont have the tools to compile it i dont know how well it performs |
| 22:55:03 | Llorean | belze: It's just a plugin right now, you'll get a .wav file. |
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| 22:56:11 | Genre9mp3 | oh, marsdaddy is back? |
| 22:56:11 | belze | i meant in points of performance. maybe it already runs in realtime? |
| 22:56:54 | Llorean | Right now you'd have to time how long it takes to create the .wav |
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| 23:02:56 | belze | would you be able to compile it and upload it somewhere? |
| 23:03:19 | Llorean | Why not set up a development environment? |
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| 23:04:55 | amiconn | Bagder: ping... |
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| 23:12:16 | safetydan | hrmm... vbr speex playback doesn't call any of the floating point functions. so something else is up |
| 23:12:58 | Llorean | Well speex-on-rockbox seems to have plenty of kinks to work out still. :) |
| 23:13:50 | amiconn | How's the performance of speex on the various targets? |
| 23:15:11 | amiconn | I am thinking about combining 2 backwards-incompatible voice switches into one, reducing annoyance for blind users |
| 23:15:23 | Llorean | Voice switches? |
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| 23:15:45 | amiconn | With the langv2 rework we'll switch to target specific voice files, which will render old voice files incompatible |
| 23:15:52 | Llorean | Ah |
| 23:16:00 | amiconn | In the transition, we'll drop the useless bitswapping on swcodec |
| 23:16:28 | amiconn | And then we might switch to speex for swcodec at the same time |
| 23:16:33 | Llorean | Ah. |
| 23:16:39 | Llorean | Well, I've only tested it on Gigabeat so far. |
| 23:17:04 | amiconn | There's one drawback of using speex for voice though - the .talk clips would also need to be in speex format then |
| 23:17:24 | amiconn | On swcodec of course |
| 23:17:26 | Llorean | Well wouldn't that just mean using a different encoder with the generation tool? |
| 23:17:30 | safetydan | amiconn, the performance is pretty dire on coldfire, about 45% boost |
| 23:18:27 | amiconn | Llorean: Yes, but the *just* part is debatable |
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| 23:19:15 | Llorean | amiconn: Doesn't the existing script use a command-line encoder? |
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| 23:19:25 | amiconn | Although, voicebox needs lame anyway and the ditribution archive includes it iirc |
| 23:19:42 | amiconn | ...and we could include the speex encoder as well I think |
| 23:19:55 | Llorean | Since it's nicely GPL, I'm sure we can. |
| 23:20:39 | amiconn | The user then needs to select which target "class" to generate voice clips for. For hwcodec it still needs to be mp3 of course |
| 23:21:09 | Llorean | Of course |
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| 23:22:06 | amiconn | safetydan: Any coldfire specific optimissations already? iram usage? |
| 23:22:26 | amiconn | And what about ipod |
| 23:22:39 | * | amiconn thinks he should install the speex encoder |
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| 23:25:16 | nickv111 | Sorry, computer keeps freezing |
| 23:25:24 | nickv111 | Do you guys know how, if you're playing music, to get back to the file browser? |
| 23:25:46 | nickv111 | Like, say I want to go back and browse my music while I'm playing music. I can't seem to get back to the file browser |
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| 23:26:53 | Soap | on ipod the answer = "Select" |
| 23:27:08 | nickv111 | I'm using an iPod |
| 23:27:09 | safetydan | amiconn, the Speex library already has some arm optimisations. There are no Coldfire or IRAM optimisations done yet. |
| 23:27:12 | nickv111 | Just a second, let me try |
| 23:27:51 | nickv111 | Oh, nice, thanks |
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| 23:28:57 | Soap | that is your one free "It's in the manual but I don't want to look" answer ;) |
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| 23:29:16 | nickv111 | I actually did look, but for some reason I couldn't find it |
| 23:29:26 | nickv111 | I know about RTFM'ing, though |
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| 23:40:13 | Bagder | amiconn: yes? |
| 23:40:59 | amiconn | I've built ipodpatcher for linux-amd64 with integrated bootloaders |
| 23:41:12 | hcs | preglow: it just seems to not work with 32 bit, and I don't see any other codecs for which it works at 32 bit |
| 23:41:19 | Bagder | amiconn: dcc it my way! |
| 23:41:25 | hcs | XavierGr: I don't have plans at the moment |
| 23:41:30 | Llorean | Bagder: Did you know the iPod Dailies seem broken? |
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| 23:41:43 | hcs | XavierGr: I'd like to get speed a bit better, and then begin the code cleaning |
| 23:41:53 | Bagder | ah, bad gcc I bet |
| 23:42:08 | Bagder | Llorean: thanks, I'll fix |
| 23:42:10 | hcs | safetydan: ha ha, I knew you'd come crawling back to the fan club |
| 23:42:45 | amiconn | Incredibly fast ;) Guess it's because of the build running in parallel |
| 23:43:01 | scorche | Bagder: speaking of bad gcc, hopefully, i will have a new vmware image to upload your way as well |
| 23:43:14 | Bagder | ah, goodie |
| 23:44:07 | amiconn | Bah, why does the first transfer often fail at the end? :/ |
| 23:44:27 | | Quit desowin ("use linux") |
| 23:45:14 | * | scorche adds soon to his above statement |
| 23:45:37 | nickv111 | I have another question. My scroll wheel seems very unresponsive on my 3g iPod |
| 23:45:48 | nickv111 | I turned up the scrolls speed to 15, and it's still unresponsive |
| 23:46:00 | nickv111 | To turn down or up volume, it takes a lot of work |
| 23:46:08 | Llorean | nickv111: The scroll speed has nothing to do with the scroll wheel. |
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| 23:46:18 | amiconn | Bagder: 469824 bytes |
| 23:46:30 | nickv111 | Llorean: Okay, then what does it have to do with? |
| 23:46:43 | Llorean | How fast text scrolls left-to-right on longer than screen width lines. |
| 23:46:48 | nickv111 | Oh. |
| 23:47:06 | nickv111 | Then how do I fix my scroll wheel issue? |
| 23:47:17 | amiconn | hrrrmm :( |
| 23:47:25 | Llorean | nickv111: There's really nothing you can do right now. |
| 23:47:35 | amiconn | Bagder: Correct size? I got another failure... |
| 23:47:44 | Bagder | got 469824 |
| 23:47:52 | amiconn | OK... strange |
| 23:48:06 | Bagder | md5 4cd4596e5740cab672d59bb6b1ae0991 |
| 23:48:21 | amiconn | matches. |
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| 23:52:45 | x1jmp | Can any 1.8" IDE drive be used with the h120? |
| 23:53:06 | x1jmp | mine seems to be broken after it fell from the table some minutes ago :( |
| 23:53:15 | webguest75 | Hi all. Will the 80G iPod supported in the future? |
| 23:53:35 | Llorean | webguest75: It's being worked on. |
| 23:53:57 | webguest75 | thanks a lot!! |
| 23:54:07 | Llorean | No predicting when it'll happen though |
| 23:54:18 | Llorean | x1jmp: Not all 1.8" drives have the right connector. |
| 23:54:31 | Llorean | As well, they have to be single-platter |
| 23:54:36 | webguest75 | okay not problem. |
| 23:54:42 | Genre9mp3 | x1jmp: Not Hitachi ones... they use different connectors |
| 23:54:43 | webguest75 | bye. |
| 23:54:49 | | Part webguest75 |
| 23:56:08 | x1jmp | what's dual platter btw? It's also mentioned in the misticriver wiki |
| 23:56:16 | busa_blade | would anyone have an issue with breaking the jpeg.c file up into a header and a c file? |
| 23:56:26 | scorche | it means that the hard drive has 2 platters inside of it |
| 23:56:36 | Bagder | x1jmp: dual platter is thicker drives than the single platter ones like in the h120 |
| 23:57:42 | Genre9mp3 | x1jmp: You'll need a single platter one for your H120 |
| 23:58:07 | linuxstb_ | busa_blade: If you split jpeg.c, you would need to move it into its own subdirectory, which might not be a bad thing. |
| 23:58:54 | x1jmp | ok, what do you think when SSDs could be available and usable with iriver players? |
| 23:58:59 | busa_blade | still drinking from the fire hose a bit, but is there a particular reason? |
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