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#rockbox log for 2007-02-11

00:00:12busa_bladelet me try that first then
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00:01:10Genre9mp3x1jmp: I wouldn't have the patience for their price to drop dramatically...
00:01:31Genre9mp3x1jmp: btw, I think that the biggest single platter disk atm is 50GB
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00:01:59*decayedcell finds it hard to use this Bookmarks thing
00:02:13Genre9mp3x1jmp: Well, maybe 40GB.. the 50GB one is probably not available yet
00:02:31Genre9mp3decayedcell: Why you say that?
00:02:37decayedcellso basically on the iPod I hold select, then choose Bookmarks, then Create Bookmark - but nothing happens?
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00:03:01Genre9mp3decayedcell: no .bmark file?
00:03:37decayedcellGenre9mp3 well I assumed that something should happen like 'Bookmark Created' or something, but it doesn't seem to be the case because if I go to Recent Bookmarks theres nothing there
00:03:42Genre9mp3btw, I think that bookmarks atm are broken (don't work unless music is topped)
00:03:49x1jmpGenre9mp3: there was once an announcement from a-data about small drives up to 128GB, but it seems to take a while until they're available and they likely won't be cheap...
00:04:24Genre9mp3decayedcell: You have to enable a setting for the bookmarks to show up in the recent bookmarks
00:05:07Genre9mp3x1jmp: 128GB in flash sounds like a big amount of money
00:05:28decayedcellsolid state hard drives ftw :p
00:05:37Genre9mp3decayedcell: Search for the .bmark file and try to load it
00:05:38decayedcellGenre9mp3 the music currently is stopped :p. Also, I think if theres only one entry in the Bookmarks submenu, it should just be renamed to Create Bookmark and make a Bookmark
00:06:19decayedcellOtherwise, you could have Previous Bookmark and Next Bookmark - that would be handy
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00:06:59Genre9mp3you can have multiple bookmarks in a .bmark file
00:07:25decayedcellRockbox keeps a list of these bookmarks though right? =/
00:07:58Genre9mp3stores them in .bmark files and keeps a recent bookmarks list if you enable that
00:08:12*decayedcell understands now
00:09:09HamilcarHi. I'm using an Ipod 5G with the skin Escapde Pod I can't get Album art to work, my files are properly named and sized
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00:09:44LloreanHamilcar: Album Art isn't a supported feature.
00:10:02Lloreanit's only available by way of a patch right now
00:10:16saratogaLlorean: really? what happened with that patch anyway?
00:10:18HamilcarI know that, I thought I could ask for help here
00:10:31HamilcarI have this patch
00:11:01HamilcarIt's just that pictures won't display, it strange because I was using another wcs before and it worked fine
00:11:11amiconndecayedcell: The list of recent bookmarks is optional, you need to enable that feature
00:11:14LloreanHamilcar: Then maybe your current one is out of date.
00:11:25Lloreansaratoga: The conditions haven't been right for its inclusion.
00:11:33saratogawhats it dependent on ?
00:11:47amiconnBy default, rockbox creates a .bmark file in the track's folder
00:11:59Lloreansaratoga: Well, there's lots of discussion around metadata-on-buffer
00:12:13saratogai must have missed it
00:12:18saratogawhats the issue?
00:12:18Hamilcarusing the senab build...
00:12:29Hamilcarso is there anything I can do ?
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00:13:14LloreanHamilcar: Fix the WPS, probably.
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00:13:24LloreanGo read about the patch and make sure the WPS works with the most recent version.
00:13:39Lloreansaratoga: That metadata on buffer hasn't been done yet?
00:14:41saratogasorry, i mean what is metadata on buffer verses how rockbox handles metadata now?
00:15:11LloreanI'm really not sure about the technical aspects of it.
00:15:30Bagdercurrently rockbox handles metadata in a static array
00:15:37Bagderoutside the buffer
00:16:13Bagderwith album art and other things, that array will need to grow a lot to work with the new metadata
00:16:40Bagder... but having the metadata embedded in the buffer would be a better approach, memory-wise
00:17:11saratogaoh makes sense
00:17:32linuxstb_And would mean people can learn Norwegian.
00:17:44Bagderindeed, finally!
00:19:15x1jmpwhat's a ZIF relating to hard drives?
00:19:27Lloreanx1jmp: Zero Insertion Force connector
00:19:33Bagderthe connector
00:19:49x1jmpdo they work with an h120?
00:19:57Bagder1.8" disks come in at least two different connector flavours
00:20:29saratogaDid we ever hear anything back from AMS?
00:20:53Bagdernot really
00:21:54x1jmpI just want to be sure, can I use this drive as a replacement in my h120?
00:22:22saratogathen i'll email that austrian fellow and ask him if where he left things with AMS
00:22:58Bagdersaratoga: afaik, he still plans to visit them in Graz during february
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00:23:53Genre9mp3x1jmp: I think you can
00:24:30Bagdertime to sleep
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00:27:29x1jmpis there actually a great difference between those MK2004GAL and MK2006GAL models, or are the 2004 ones just older?
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00:29:14Genre9mp3x1jmp: Don't know what's the difference... there's also a MK2008GAL
00:29:47Domonokydomonoky/"> <- new rbutil, now also with H1x0 and H3x0 support, (H120 is tested, all other targets untested)
00:30:10Genre9mp3x1jmp: you can check their specs at
00:31:03x1jmpGenre9mp3: I'm just doing that... the 2008 seems to have less spin up time
00:31:21linuxstb_Power consumption is probably the most important thing to look at.
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00:32:07linuxstb_Domonoky: Do you have a new patch?
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00:35:19XavierGrhcs: Why not commit it as is and then do the cleanup? The patch doesn't brake anything and works realtime for all targets that support it.
00:35:24Domonokyyes in preparation.. :-)
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00:35:41XavierGrhcs: That way more developers can work at it
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00:46:00Domonokypatch for rbUtil is in Flyspray..
00:47:42safetydanXavierGr, hcs, and it's not like there's not flaky codecs already in svn
00:47:44*safetydan looks at speex
00:48:43Genre9mp3speex runs unboosted on iPods?
00:48:45LloreanI'd like to see at least it stop reporting files as 'blues'
00:51:36safetydanGenre9mp3, no one's tested as far as I know. Probably though, as there are arm optimisations.
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00:54:27Soapevery time some Rockbox developer gets the bright idea to support some new fancy codec I have to think long and hard about re/transcoding some part of my library. The nerve! ;)
00:55:46linuxstb_Domonoky: Just trying your patch - fwpatcher doesn't compile in Linux...
00:56:09Mouser_XSoap: If it's SPC or NSF, then you're saving space by getting rid of the MP3s (or what have you) you transcoded them to.
00:56:12scorcheSoap: you want to encode your music into speex?
00:56:23LloreanSoap: Wait until they get the kinks out of speex. I don't consider it reliable yet.
00:56:32Soapmy audiobooks.
00:56:36Domonokyhm.. okey, so i have to make fwpatcher more portable..
00:56:45Soap^ @ sarcastic scorche
00:57:00scorchewell, you never know...
00:57:04safetydanLlorean, the speex metadata reader uses the same code as the vorbis reader. So it should handle genre in the same way.
00:57:19scorchei am sure that there is someone, somewhere who has his music in speex
00:57:34Lloreansafetydan: SPC does the genres wrong, not speex.
00:57:47safetydanSpeex works fine in CBR. It's all you people and your fancy VBR files that break it :)
00:57:50Lloreansafetydan: It doesn't report one I think, since Blues is apparently the default.
00:58:03LloreanSpeex does not work fine in CBR. :-P
00:58:10Domonoky@ linuxstb, you need only iriver.c/h md5.c/h and the XXXsums.h files from fwpatcher
00:58:20*Llorean points to the two bug reports he filed on it.
00:58:21Genre9mp3scorche: I doubt that
00:58:23LloreanIt only works *mostly* fine.
00:58:58safetydanLlorean, where those cbr or vbr files?
00:59:02Genre9mp3scorche: People who would do such a thing, don't even know what speex is
00:59:21Lloreansafetydan: They were made without parameters. That's CBR, right?
00:59:36scorcheGenre9mp3: then i will have to encode a few songs into speex to be the only one then
00:59:39LloreanThey play mostly fine.
00:59:41safetydanLlorean, for the command line encoder I believe so
00:59:49LloreanThere's just pops in them that there shouldn't be.
00:59:55LloreanAnd they playback slightly faster than realtime.
01:00:25Genre9mp3scorche: hehe... of course it doesn't count if you do that for testing purposes
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01:12:36artillery2302is it common for say after you rockbox on then restore your ipod for when it syncs it goes cannot read or write to ipod after it does about 500 songs ?
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01:14:23Lloreanartillery2302: No.
01:14:29artillery2302cause its pissin me off
01:14:38artillery2302that i cant sync my ipod
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01:14:49artillery2302and wasnt sure if you guys new how to fix it
01:15:03LloreanUSB mode really has nothing to do with Rockbox
01:15:26artillery2302after i restore my ipod there should be nothing left of rockbox on there right
01:16:00artillery2302so i wonder why when i try to sync it gets to 500 songs and says can no read or write from ipod
01:16:11artillery2302so i will turn on manuel and i can just click and drop songs
01:16:15LloreanIf you've restored it, then why are you asking here?
01:16:27artillery2302cause you guys know alot about ipods
01:16:34LloreanThis is #Rockbox, not #iPod.
01:17:03artillery2302i wasnt sure if rockbox might of done something to the firmware but i guess not nevermind
01:17:08Lloreanartillery2302: If all else fails, get the Experts at the Apple Store at Barton Creek to look at it, if it's still in warranty.
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01:17:23artillery2302sorry what did you say
01:17:27Lloreanartillery2302: If all else fails, get the Experts at the Apple Store at Barton Creek to look at it, if it's still in warranty.
01:17:38LloreanYou're fortunate enough to live somewhere you can actually take it to an apple store and complain in person.
01:17:56artillery2302woah do you live in austin
01:18:06artillery2302oh sweet
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01:18:18artillery2302off topic but do you like rock/electronica ?
01:18:22linuxstb_Domonoky: I've got it compiling, and the ipod bootloader installation works fine under Linux.
01:18:53Lloreanartillery2302: Eh, 'salright.
01:19:03Lloreanlinuxstb_: RBUtil is coming along well?
01:19:06artillery2302oh cause my band is playing at red 7 tonight
01:19:15artillery2302on 7th street
01:19:47linuxstb_Llorean: Yes, Domonoky's making good progress.
01:19:50artillery2302if you get bored and want to leave the house come on by
01:20:02Soapartillery2302: offer him beer and he might come.
01:20:18linuxstb_I'm currently waiting for wxwidgets to finish compiling on my iBook so I can try to build it for the Mac...
01:20:20artillery2302the other night it was dollar lone stars all night
01:20:26artillery2302thats pretty good
01:20:33LloreanSoap: Actually, I can't stand beer.
01:20:37Soapexcept for the fact it is lone star.
01:20:43artillery2302texas spirit
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01:21:36artillery2302lonestar is better than nady light or keystone
01:21:40artillery2302cheap ass college beer
01:22:14artillery2302anyways thanks have a good night
01:22:27artillery2302btw is there a #ipod channel?
01:22:44scorche /join #ipod and find out
01:22:50artillery2302k theres not
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01:23:33scorcheLlorean: i used to be the same, but then i tried heifeweisen (i do not feel like bothering to look up the correct spelling)
01:25:33pixelmahehe Hefeweizen maybe?
01:26:00scorchewell, as you are the one living in germany, possibly ;)
01:26:35*pixelma remember hearing american tourists speaking of it, too ;)
01:27:01scorcheat least i pronounce it right
01:27:49*Genre9mp3 likes Warsteiner
01:28:46saratogaI prefer Tripels (sp?)
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01:33:46safetydanCan Tremor use libogg for parsing ogg streams?
01:35:23markunsafetydan: I believe the implementation is close to what they wanted to do with libogg2, you cannot easily change it.
01:35:37markunI think it would be better to change speex to use the Tremor implementation
01:37:11safetydanProbably. I'm just not sure how to go about that.
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01:38:57linuxstb_safetydan: Also, it would be nice to merge the get_speex_metadata() and get_vorbis_metadata() functions in apps/metadata.c - I'm not sure why speex-in-ogg needs a different metadata parser to vorbis-in-ogg
01:39:34safetydanlinuxstb, I believe get_vorbis_metadata calls get_speex_metadata if it see a Ogg/Speex stream
01:39:38safetydanso at least that much is done
01:40:43linuxstb_Yes, I saw that. But the functions are still almost identical.
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01:41:31safetydanlinuxstb, well I'll look at merging them, as it's probably an easier place to start than trying to get speex to use tremor's ogg parser
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02:27:11Soul-SlayerDoes anybody know how close the KoCOP patch is from a commit?
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02:31:22Soul-SlayerAck, internet cut out
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02:51:04decayedcellSoul-Slayer I suppose until the bugs are sorted out, namely the recording screen freeze
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02:59:10spiralhi it still possible to flash rockbox in the rom of my newly purchased rec v1 because all guides seems to be outdated ...i actually don't know which howto to follow...:-/
03:02:58JdGordonflash as in rombox? or bootbox?
03:05:25spiralhmm don't know ...i mean the flashing rockbox wiki sends me to bootbox and the bootbox wiki to flashing rockbox
03:06:02spiralas far as i understand i have to flash bootbox into rom
03:08:14JdGordonhave you got rockbox installed at all? or its new and you want to flash it so you can get rockbox going?
03:09:04spirali have installed rockbox with the installer and it is working fine
03:09:52JdGordonok, then I think your asking about rombox.. it doesnt compile anymore so dont worry about it
03:10:08spiralso this means?
03:10:08JdGordonscorche will be able to help you more than me
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03:14:13spiralthe boot time is a little bit long so i thought i can fasten it up a little
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04:51:12x9Anyone here?
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04:59:10safetydansort of
05:00:49BiptoNwhat's up x9?
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05:13:13JdGordonanyone know how to get around the vorbis codec not compiling in the sim now?
05:13:38JdGordon... or why it fails here b ut builds fine in the table?
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05:20:47Davide-NYCHello all
05:21:01Davide-NYCjhMikeS: can I simply record an hour of FM and listen back for skips?
05:21:21Davide-NYC(for testing a custom build he sent me for testing)
05:21:28jhMikeSDavide-NYC: I think so, it should get through that np
05:21:43Davide-NYCwhat would be a conclusive test in your opinion?
05:22:03jhMikeSPetur gets through a taping with no glitches :)
05:22:41jhMikeSbut, you know...the more is done, the better for sure
05:22:42Davide-NYC(sorry if this was covered before) If present, these glitches are clearly audible?
05:22:53jhMikeSyes, quite
05:23:12Davide-NYCAFAIK I have never experienced this before
05:23:17Davide-NYCbut will test.
05:23:52Davide-NYCI'm going to record 4-5 hours of FM to MP3 and listen back at the office tomorrow.
05:23:55jhMikeSI really think loud sound can bungle up the hd (can't think of a better explanation)
05:24:16Davide-NYCyou mean physically vibrating the platters?
05:24:33Davide-NYCnot high values being written
05:24:40jhMikeSyes, and heads, though I did stress test pretty bad and increased the tolerance abou t10x
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05:25:26Davide-NYCnothing can be done about user abuse ;-)
05:26:02jhMikeSI don't can be made to withstand more. Plus I put a buffer view in to look myself and have other ideas
05:26:51jhMikeSI really think the codec just wasn't able to run enough when things got bad so pcm overflowed.
05:27:21Davide-NYCmakes sense. the debug screen sounds cool. Any real CPU hit to displaying stuff in real time?
05:27:55jhMikeSnot really, probably less than the recording screen itself
05:29:57jhMikeSI'm waiting for word...don't know how long I'm going before I know the result of this past day
05:30:16jhMikeSlong it's going to be even
05:31:33Davide-NYC"waiting for word"?
05:31:45Davide-NYCyou mean results from petur?
05:32:05Davide-NYCquestion: would this be easy to implement?
05:32:12jhMikeSHe loves to abuse it so I guess it'll be better for it
05:32:44Davide-NYCI think a big icon on the right to undicate recording status would be good for us "older" folks.
05:32:53safetydanJdGordon, under Cygwin?
05:34:24jhMikeSpngs? where pngs?
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05:36:26JdGordonsafetydan: no, debian
05:36:46jhMikeShmmm...changing those screens around kinda sucks. if the display were separated from function...then much easier. adding a debug screen would need that anyhow
05:37:24Davide-NYCIT was an idea I had back in '06 that I thought was cool. I bought a C book and tried when I had time but failed myserably.
05:37:25*jhMikeS is just glad his spc codec is faster than anyone else's
05:37:49jhMikeSbut it's not my place to intrude on other's work
05:38:06jhMikeSThe NES sound files
05:38:40*Davide-NYC wonders whay anyone cares about NES sound files
05:38:57jhMikeSI love synthesizers and emulators like that
05:39:45Davide-NYCrecording french news. brings back memories of high school and am surprised at how much I comprehend!
05:40:22jhMikeSWhere are you?
05:40:56Davide-NYCthat's why NYC is awesome
05:41:11jhMikeShmmm...and recording French news...
05:41:45Davide-NYCThe west african music programs are to die for.
05:42:30jhMikeSto die for? I'm worried I only have until Petur listens to his taping...don't wanna think about death ;)
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05:53:39Davide-NYCgg ttyl
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06:03:12safetydanJdGordon, odd, it builds fine for me on by Ubuntu box
06:04:00JdGordonCC codec_crt0.c
06:04:01JdGordonLD vorbis.codec
06:04:01JdGordon/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lspeex
06:04:01DBUGEnqueued KICK JdGordon
06:04:01JdGordoncollect2: ld returned 1 exit status
06:04:01JdGordonmake[2]: *** [/home/jonno/rockbox/start_screen/rockbox/h300-sim/apps/codecs/vorbis.codec] Error 1
06:04:01***Alert Mode level 1
06:04:01JdGordonrm /home/jonno/rockbox/start_screen/rockbox/h300-sim/apps/codecs/codec_crt0.o
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06:04:03JdGordonmake[1]: *** [build-codecs] Error 2
06:04:05JdGordonmake: *** [all] Error 2
06:04:25JdGordonim pretty sure i did a full svn up... ill doubkle check that tho
06:05:01safetydanJdGordon, ah, try a make clean first
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06:05:28safetydanand possibly a reconfigure
06:05:46jdongever since the new iPod USB commit, I haven't been able to inhibit USB disk mode with MENU reliably on my 5G Video
06:06:08jdonglike it would inhibit Disk Mode until I let go of the MENU button, at which time it shows a USB logo and reboots
06:06:46jdongthis happened starting from the commit that introduced data vs power-only USB connection for the iPod
06:07:42JdGordonah, cheers safetydan :)
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06:31:23JdGordonlook what you did decayedcell_!
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06:32:29decayedcell_what just happened then? ChanServ just messaged me
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06:35:31JdGordonnew root menu patch is online btw
06:36:14decayedcell_yeah Opera notified me
06:38:30decayedcell_I don't get this bit - the now playing item changes its name to resume playback if nothing is playing :)
06:38:52decayedcell_If theres nothing playing, the Now Playing shouldn't be there, because Resume Playback implies that there is something playing
06:39:14xfrcvanyone know where i can get a new iriver h340 for cheap?
06:40:52JdGordondecayedcell_: nop :D
06:40:59JdGordonxfrcv: ebay :p
06:41:14xfrcvother than ebay? :)
06:42:36xfrcvi just want an 80 gig player that supports rockbox. :\
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06:44:03xfrcvdoes anything like that exist?
06:44:24decayedcell_I'm pretty sure Resume Playback means theres something playing, i.e. you can't resume the playback of a song if theres nothing that is currently being played back. If it was paused however, then Resume Playback would make sense
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06:45:12webguest05how do you uninstall rockbox the manual wont load for me?
06:45:42webguest05ipod video 5 gen
06:46:01decayedcell_ipodpatcher -d
06:46:09decayedcell_then delete .rockbox folder and rockbox.ipod
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06:56:05Mouser_X* jhMikeS is just glad his spc codec is faster than anyone else's
06:56:08Mouser_X<Davide-NYC> SPC?
06:56:11Mouser_X<jhMikeS> The NES sound files
06:56:13Mouser_XDon't you mean SNES sound files? Also, what SPC player did you write? Just curious which one is yours.
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06:57:08Mouser_XThe SPC player that HCS is basing his Rockbox codec on is Blargg's Game_Music_Emulator (or something like that).
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07:01:09jhMikeSMouser_X: I guess SNES is more accurate :) It's not mine, I'm just messing around with the one in the tracker.
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07:02:08Mouser_XSorry, I misunderstood what you were saying.
07:02:31CouchdwellerWho here has the rockbox on their ipod nano?
07:02:39Mouser_XNSF is for NES, just so you know (in case you didn't).
07:03:07*Mouser_X has no iPod, let alone a Nano, or Rockbox on it...
07:03:37jhMikeSNo, didn't know. :) just figuring out how it works and coding some ColdFire assembly in there.
07:03:47Mouser_XIt might be better to simply ask your question, and see if anyone can answer it.
07:04:00Mouser_X@ Couchdweller ^
07:04:30Couchdwellerim thinkin about installing this on my nano, but how's the battery life? anyone here have personal experience with rockbox on the nano who can let me in on this?
07:06:03Mouser_XjhMikeS: SPCs are for the SNES. They're 65 KB each (or, close enough). NSFs are for the NES. They're sometimes larger than 65 KB, but often smaller. The NSF codec is already accepted into the SVN. The SPC codec isn't yet. HCS (who is porting the code to Rockbox) is waiting to clean up the code, and stuff like that before it's accepted.
07:06:56Mouser_XCouchdweller: What I've heard (in terms of battery life) is that using Rockbox will decrease your battery life by 40-50%. However, that's on the iPod 30 GB.
07:07:05Mouser_XFor the Nano, I don't know.
07:07:31Mouser_XAlso, those are rough numbers.
07:07:44Couchdwelleri realize that
07:07:53Couchdweller: | a little disoncerting though
07:07:55Mouser_XRockbox needs some work to utilize power better on the iPod.
07:08:10Mouser_XIt's one of the reasons I didn't buy an iPod.
07:08:19*Mouser_X has a Gigabeat.
07:08:31Couchdweller:( maybe i should have gotten that
07:08:53Mouser_XI usually get 12-15 hours of battery life with it.
07:09:17Mouser_XNever used the default firmware though. I bought the Gigabeat so that I could use Rockbox, you could say.
07:09:36jhMikeSMouser_X: It is pretty CPU intense but I cut that down a good bit with just a little work and it can play some stuff it couldn't before. Just trying to learn something really.
07:10:01Mouser_XjhMikeS: That's cool.
07:10:07Mouser_XGlad for the help, personally.
07:10:13Mouser_XI want to see it in the SVN.
07:10:39Mouser_XAnd you're right. It is CPU intensive. I tried to run Plasma while listening to SPCs...
07:10:44Mouser_XIt was very sluggish...
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07:10:58Mouser_XThat's on the Gigabeat even...
07:10:59jhMikeSIt's not really my project though. If they want the changes, I'll be glad to provide them.
07:11:14Mouser_XAre they on the flyspray?
07:11:37jhMikeSnot my changes if that what you meant :)
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07:12:04Mouser_XIs this you?:
07:12:13Mouser_XI assume yes.
07:12:45Mouser_XI'm sure HCS would appreciate any help you can provide. Whether it be coding, testing, optimizing, anything.
07:13:20Mouser_XHe's pretty neat that way.
07:13:36Mouser_X(HCS = Adam Gashlin)
07:14:00Mouser_XFlyspray task #= 6542
07:14:19Mouser_XUser "Michael Sevakis (MikeS)" = 1582
07:14:57jhMikeSthat's me. I synced it to a small change so noone had any trouble compiling it. That's all.
07:15:33Mouser_XAh. Well, I was just checking to see if you were there (I thought you were, but I couldn't remember).
07:15:46Mouser_XLike I said, post what you have. I'm sure HCS would like to see it.
07:15:50jhMikeSI broke it a couple days ago with a DSP update, so I figured I'd just head off problems.
07:16:34Mouser_XWell, it can't hurt to post anything you think would be useful. If it's not useful, HCS can leave it alone.
07:16:54jhMikeSI'll do that. I'm not really ready. I just replaced the interpolator with asm and got rid of the "this" stuff.
07:17:26jhMikeSSome basic obvious things to start out
07:17:38Mouser_XI can definatly see how that'd help though. The interpolator improves sound a lot, but it can be heavy on CPU usage.
07:18:00Mouser_XIf you're not ready, then that's okay too. I hadn't considered that one.
07:18:07Mouser_XGood luck on it then.
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07:19:33Mouser_XSo, you listen to SPCs much?
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07:20:33juano__hello everyone, how can i make my motorola rokr with iTunes sync with Ubuntu ? has anyone made an ipod sync with iTunes under Linux ?
07:20:52Mouser_XI think you may be in the wrong channel.
07:20:57Mouser_XThis is #rockbox
07:21:10juano__yep, i know, they gave me these channels
07:21:21juano__Mouser_X: any suggestions ?
07:22:00jhMikeSMouser_X: ummm...not till today :)
07:22:27Mouser_XWell, this channel deals with Rockbox. I could be mistaken, but I don't see how your question relates to Rockbox. I'm pointing this out, because it's why I wouldn't be able to answer such a question.
07:22:51Mouser_XDefault iPod firmware != Rockbox.
07:23:04juano__Mouser_X: ok, can you point out a channel ?
07:23:26Mouser_XNo, I can't. Sorry. I don't have an iPod, so I don't pay attention to that stuff.
07:23:36Mouser_XIf I could, I would help.
07:23:36juano__Mouser_X: lol, ok cheers
07:23:44juano__Mouser_X: k thanks
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07:24:06Mouser_XI hope that wasn't rude...
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07:35:09voltagexhi, will the Cuesheet support be committed to SVN?
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07:42:40voltagexseems stable to me
07:42:49voltagexon H340 at leas
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08:10:00JdGordonvoltagex: the reason its not being commited is because the way its done isnt really nice.... we know how it could be done better (same as album art), but noone knows the best way to do it :
08:14:06amiconnHmm, something is wrong with the website...
08:14:27amiconnFrontpage works, but try e.g. viewvc links
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08:16:45perl|perlcue sheet support would be nice
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08:18:37HsystemHi, anyone notice that rockbox ipodpatcher and fonts are down?
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08:22:54Hsystemhello ?
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08:32:24JdGordonanyone know how to remove a file in svn?
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08:33:26JdGordonsvn remove.... shoulda guessed that :p
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08:34:27Hsystem:S you are right.
08:34:38Hsystem :'(
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08:35:51klaxianare you guys having trouble getting to
08:36:25klaxianalrighty, so it's not just me :)
08:36:33JdGordoni hope its not major issues...
08:36:44klaxianme too
08:36:48klaxianhow long has it been down?
08:37:02JdGordonits unlikly that it will be fixed in the next few hours... 8.30am in sweden
08:37:07JdGordondunno.. a while already
08:37:08Hsystemi need the damn fonts. Also the ipod patcher, and the boot for 5g video, and the damn server is down.
08:37:19JdGordondownload.rockbox is down also?
08:37:32JdGordonhmm.... damn
08:37:44JdGordonif you ask really nicely ill do a fontz zip for you
08:37:51amiconndownload and build are actually the same server afaik
08:38:06JdGordonah, morning amiconn :)
08:38:32Hsystem3:38 AM :'(
08:38:39amiconnBagder: ping...
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08:46:00JdGordondid apache die on that server or something? svn.rockbox is unable to connect, but the svn commit went through?
08:46:40JdGordonyeah, hehe odd.... the comp is definatly still up... stupid apache :p
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08:51:56amiconnJdGordon: The build also ran, just we can't see the resulting build table :/
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08:52:43amiconnLooks indeed like only apache has a problem
08:55:50JdGordonso we just wait patiently for someone to kick the box
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09:07:38LearBuild/svn server seems to be down. At least the parts for HTTP access...
09:07:58Learsvn commands themselves work though.
09:09:55JdGordonwe know...
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09:14:21amiconnLear: Seems apache is crashed
09:14:40amiconnsvnserve and the distributed build system are still working
09:14:58amiconnSo commits are built, just we cannot see the result :/
09:15:24amiconnInteresting... an AJB6000 user on the ml :)
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09:24:17hcsjhMikeS: in case Mouser wasn't clear enough, yes, I'd love any improvements you can provide. the "this" stuff was largely for ARM, gcc seems to be doing a lousy job with global variables.
09:24:20daurnimatorJdGordon: hi
09:29:31jhMikeShcs: sure. that would be cool. I got lots of ideas but still have to reality check them. What was the problem with ARM?
09:30:54hcsjhMikeS: there were two memory accesses for the loads of global variables, one to load the address from some table and the other to actually do the load
09:33:19jhMikeSI see...hmmm. I suppose it could be handled both ways. It seemed to be bad on a ColdFire. I'll keep an eye on gcc disassemblies. Seems like you have to.
09:33:50JdGordondaurnimator: hey, wassup?
09:34:03hcsjhMikeS: it was blargg who noticed it, I don't know ARM or coldfire asm
09:34:03daurnimatorbroke my ankle!
09:34:13JdGordoncongrats :p
09:37:26jhMikeSI don't know if I'll get the full gaussian interpolation going but the echo can't be left out. emac should be good for it.
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09:42:04hcsjhMikeS: emac is a multiply-accumulate?
09:44:45hcsblargg had some faster echo and gaussian code that I hadn't gotten around to making a patch for yet
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09:46:11jhMikeSwell, if blargg has it done already I wouldn't mind seeing
09:47:30hcsI was planning on doing some tests yesterday but I wasn't up to it.
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09:52:45jhMikeSFor coldfire that's perfect emac material
09:55:58hcsbut gcc can't figure that out?
09:56:25amiconngcc doesn't know about coldfire mac/emac
09:56:45hcsis there an equivalent for arm that I should be looking into?
10:02:29*amiconn just had a crazy idea...
10:02:33jhMikeSI personally don't know since I don't have an arm player. Afaik many have arm opcodes but I don't know the variants.
10:02:59amiconnNot sure how crazy this is; afaik flac doesn't need large tables in the decoder?
10:03:01*jhMikeS likes crazy ideas :)
10:03:25Genre9mp3amiconn: hmm... you want flac on Archos???
10:03:26amiconnIf so, it might be possible to figure out how to do flac in the mas core
10:03:55amiconnGenre9mp3: I was thinking about that earlier, and with heavy optimisation it might even be possible on the sh
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10:04:18amiconnBut the mas has more power, and we have the pcm codec for an example
10:04:18Genre9mp3Isn't wav a priority?
10:04:46amiconnGenre9mp3: Wav is already possible, the "only" thing missing is playback engine integration
10:05:04Genre9mp3well yes, properly implemented wav I meant
10:05:59amiconnHerewith I am suggesting playback engine work as a main theme for the devcon
10:06:59amiconnThis somewhat mysterious part of rockbox should be taken apart, checked and modularised, and then be used for all targets
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10:08:22amiconnWhen that's done, we'll have wav/aiff on archos, and metadata handling can be centralised at app level
10:10:16*Bagder poked the server with a long stick
10:10:31Bagdervery long
10:10:35amiconnSeems it was long enough ;)
10:12:03jhMikeSyes, good ol myterious playback where the last step of any change is to figure out how voice got messed up
10:13:14amiconnYes, and where boost count == 1 after boot comes from :\
10:14:14amiconnJdGordon: Is your commit supposed to fix on archos?
10:18:02*jhMikeS recalls tracking that to an automatic boost that was never unboosted, hence the scheduler forgot about it
10:18:37amiconnThe problem still exists
10:19:04amiconnAfaik it happens as soon as a voice file is present, regardless whether voice is enabled or not
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10:23:07JdGordonamiconn: no.. it only made it use ata_idle_notify
10:23:19jhMikeSWell, I've found at least lately that it actually depends on whether or not voice is turned on. I have a voice file present but no voice on and I don't get it.
10:24:25amiconnStrange... I get the effect every time, even with voice disabled
10:24:33*Slasheri is thinking about the dynamic playback buffering system, so that tracks could be removed from the middle of buffer for example and other nice tricks
10:24:35amiconnI do have voice files on all my targets
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10:25:35JdGordonCan we make proper metadata on buffer a feature for the revamped playback engine from the get-go so it doesnt need to be hacked in after?
10:26:09Slasherieverything is possible
10:28:36LearThat should include arbitrary metadata, so that get_metadata can write stuff for the codec to use.
10:29:17jhMikeSStill would need an off-buffer buffer for _at least_ once track since it will obliterated when the buffer wraps on a big file.
10:29:52LearUnless the metadata is copied...
10:31:28amiconnI think we need one (optionally two, if we want next-track data always available), where the data is copied as soon as the track starts
10:32:10amiconnThe optional part should depend on the ram size. On archos and iFP we can do without always available next track data in order to save some ram and code
10:37:50JdGordonwhats everyones opinion of ? would it be accepted once the menu conversion is finished? I want to bride the guy who did the patch to help finish the conversion :D
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10:40:10jhMikeSThat's more what I'd like to see actually but with a clearer association of the names with the values
10:40:44jhMikeSpetur: hello. good news or bad...
10:40:54amiconnIt wastes a huge amount of space
10:41:01peturso far, good (just started listening)
10:41:05JdGordonamiconn: of course it would be optional
10:41:26*jhMikeS puts on the running shoes
10:41:46amiconnI think that for small screens it's better to have the actual settings on a separate page
10:42:12JdGordonof course... but that would be great on the large screen targets
10:42:20amiconnAnd small means anything lower than the H300 resolution here
10:42:24BagderI like the improved screen estate use
10:42:35amiconnBagder: ??
10:42:44amiconnEvery second line is effectively empty...
10:42:57Bagderwell, that could very well be on the same line
10:43:06JdGordonnot easily... but it could
10:43:09Bagderthe point being that the values for the setting would be in the same screen
10:43:13BagderJdGordon: easily
10:43:16amiconnThe trigger screen already does.
10:43:18Bagderbut perhaps not with the current code
10:43:48JdGordonhis implementation I imagine is horrible :) but once the menus are finished this will be rediculously simple to implement
10:43:54amiconnDid you check how the trigger screen looks on archos? *very* ugly imho...
10:43:57jhMikeSThe setting could be on the same line and the text scroll
10:44:04BagderJdGordon: for you, yes, but not for anyone else... :-/
10:44:12amiconnjhMikeS: Yes, with viewports :/
10:44:14JdGordonrelax :)
10:44:16*Bagder is grumpy
10:44:18JdGordonits simple
10:45:03amiconnJdGordon: I agree with Bagder that your hide-away macros don't simplify anything.
10:45:18jhMikeSScrollers clip already. They could just be clipped a little farther left really.
10:45:24amiconnThe worst one is GS() as it does effectively nothing but hide
10:45:32BagderI claim the macros make it easier for JdGordon and harder for everyone else
10:46:13Bagderespecially in the future, when nobody is around anymore to understand the origins or how it was meant to work
10:46:30BagderI see this kind of stuff at work all the time
10:47:44jhMikeSlots of comments? though I didn't find it too bad to figure out and then add my own setting type to it.
10:48:15*JdGordon isnt planning on running away any time soon... so dw :)
10:48:28Mikachuyou don't have to plan it
10:48:57Bagderit is not that common that people do major changes and _plan_ to run away ;-)
10:49:15Bagderbut look at a simple little project such as this
10:49:30Bagderlooots of people once involved are never around anymore
10:49:37Bagderpeople come and go
10:50:18JdGordonhmmm... actually looking at the code for that patch, he uses worse macros than me :D
10:51:16JdGordonWe need a proper code documentation project... and any modules which noone understands shuold be flagged for redonig or something...
10:51:40jhMikeSI do seem to recall the parameter names being a bit cryptic. No reason to use shorten names inside the macro.
10:52:21Bagdercode documentation is very hard to keep up to date in open source
10:52:29Bagderwriting clear and commented code is much better
10:52:56Bagderalthough of course not easy either
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10:54:41JdGordonI love the comment in the code somewhere that says "I didnt comment becuase if you dont follow it you should figure it out yourself" although, I think thats origionally from elsewhere
10:54:54jhMikeSit's really bad if it's your own stuff and can't figure it out years later :)
10:55:19Mikachuusually 3 weeks is enough
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10:55:56jhMikeS3 weeks?
10:56:09*petur has such a bad memory that one week is enough :/
10:56:26MikachujhMikeS: to not be able to figure out your own code
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10:57:00Vague_RantHey guys.
10:57:16*Bagder re-heys
10:57:24*Mikachu herreys
10:57:27Vague_RantI was about to update my (brother's) H340 to the latest experimental build, and it said I may need to erase my (his) settings.
10:57:48Vague_RantIs there an easy way to do this, and is it necessary to do it before I update, or will it make no difference?
10:57:49peturyou must
10:57:57jhMikeScan't say I've experienced that...anything in rb I've done and come back to months later is still clear to me
10:58:20Mikachuthen you're writing good code
10:58:26peturVague_Rant: hold REC while RB boots (after the bootloader)
10:58:56peturthe experimental builds sometimes have modified settings, so it's best to reset them
10:59:06peturbut maybe export them first ;)
10:59:41Mikachudoes this apply with the .cfg saving?
10:59:45*petur wonders if this still holds true for the new settings system
11:00:14peturbah, probably not
11:00:42petursettings are named now so it shouldn't be a problem anymore
11:00:52Vague_RantSo ... apologies for yet another dumb question, is there an easy way to export settings? They're in a plaintext file somewhere, right?
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11:01:04Vague_RantI haven't fooled with his player in ages.
11:01:31peturVague_Rant: manage settings (in the menu)
11:02:55*jhMikeS wonders how much time is left in the screening
11:03:42Vague_RantHmm. So in theory I just hold Navi to get to the menu, right?
11:03:49Vague_Rant'Cause there's no "manage settings" in the menu.
11:04:05peturVague_Rant: press A-B for menu
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11:07:49jhMikeSpetur: so far so good or no?
11:08:07jhMikeShow far into it?
11:08:17peturmust say this isn't a very rocky concert so not much vibrations
11:08:31petur45 minutes so far
11:08:38peturso looking very ok
11:08:56peturalways pleased with a good recording \o/
11:10:43jhMikeShow much left? iirc it was about that long into the last one that trouble started
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11:11:13peturnah, trouble started earlier
11:11:43peturanyway, part one just ended (it's two sets of around one hour)
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11:12:33jhMikeSyou know, with 32MB memory, there's quite a lot more space for a margin. 11 seconds looks afully close to full when displayed graphically.
11:13:24Juddyhey guys. have a gigabeat F40 i was using it and was halfway through playing a song when it stalled. i had to reset the gigabeat but ever since have been getting system error 00000003..
11:13:50Juddycant turn it on but still have access to hard disk when connected to computer. any suggestions?
11:14:13peturjhMikeS: yes, but the bigger the buffer, the longer the battery lasts (less spinups)
11:14:21jhMikeSIn fact I'd put in at least the full pcm buffer + margin since codecs when cpu boosted dump everything pretty much instantly while the disk spins.
11:14:55jhMikeSBut pcm ones never actually show anything but 0
11:16:27jhMikeSpetur: I suppose, but it would be about 11.89s sooner out of ~2:30.
11:16:54peturI wouldn't even mind 15 seconds
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11:18:49Juddyany gigabeat ppl in here to help me?
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11:23:29jhMikeSThe codecs are fast, even wavpack and the pcm buffer is never over 1s unless they're denied cpu time but the sudden dump will fill the output fast with that. If by some miracle it's full enough to dump the whole thing, the output will be filled to max before the disk is ready.
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11:24:44peturjhMikeS: I must say that since I defragged my disk I haven't had any problems so I really think slow disk output was the problem
11:25:43*petur runs off
11:25:46jhMikeSyes, and the thread boost on _just_ the pcm thread would have made it worse
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11:31:51safetydanmerging get_speex_metadata and get_vorbis_metadata makes for some ugly code
11:32:05hcsJuddy: I've looked it up, but I haven't been able to find any specific information for that error.
11:33:00hcsI know that isn't helpful but I thought you'd like to know you aren't simply being ignored
11:35:54JdGordonBagder: are the commetns I've just commited a step in the right direction? or still needs more?
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11:37:39hcsJuddy: a reformat is recommended here, but it didn't seem to help the person with the original problem:
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11:39:17Vague_RantOK, so from "Manage settings", I want "Write .cfg file"?
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11:46:46Juddythanks HCS apreciate that. i have been looking on and trying out what they are doing
11:47:06Juddyno one has mentioned this error occuring from use of rockbox as far as i can tell
11:47:10Juddywhich seems interesting
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11:47:44Juddyhcs: it seems to be working for some but not others like me
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11:48:37Juddyis there like a flash drive on the gigabeat which holds important loading files on it? because maybe the problem lies there
11:49:32Juddyeven when gb has a completely wiped hard disk(using windows) it still shows a gigabeat load screen which sugests there is a flash rom inside too
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11:50:09hcsJuddy: yes, there is some rom, but I don't have any idea if this is the issue
11:51:13Juddyit is still within 6months .. but i live in australia and its a US gigabeat
11:51:19Juddyand i bought it off ebay
11:51:43Juddyi dont have any proof of purchase because of this and wouldnt know wheather i can send it to toshiba Australia
11:51:59Juddyany ideas?
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11:52:20hcscall them up and ask
11:52:30Juddyis support 24 hrs?
11:52:39Juddyill try anyway
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11:55:45Juddynot open
11:55:50Juddymight ring US support
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11:56:59hcsJuddy: it is probably too early for US support; also, as this is not really a rockbox issue anymore you may want to take this discussion over to #gigabeat
11:57:55Juddytrue true. no one talks in gigabeat tho :(
11:57:57Juddyoh well
11:58:01Juddythanks anyway dude
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12:13:36Vague_RantAll the plugins are giving me "incompatible version" in KOSH's H300 Experimental build, even with cleared settings.
12:13:40Vague_RantAnyone got any ideas?
12:14:09hcsthe plugins that he provided?
12:14:28Vague_RantYeah, the games and such.
12:14:44Vague_RantThey're in a separate extras package, linked from the update for the system update.
12:15:08hcsdo they have last modified dates similar to those of the system update?
12:15:40Vague_RantGah, no pause in Tetrox.
12:15:42Vague_RantLet me check.
12:16:03hcstetrox? that's quite an old name for the plugin...
12:16:27hcs'tis called rockblox now
12:17:21Vague_RantI just checked, and yeah, the vast majority have the same modify date as the update itself.
12:17:55Vague_RantThe rest I guess have been removed from the extras package, but I definitely tried some of the ones with the same date.
12:19:13Vague_Rantrockblox does not work.
12:21:36hcstry the whole package he links here:
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12:22:46Vague_RantThat's the same thing as linked on MisticRiver.
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12:23:03Vague_RantAs in, same address, the link is visited.
12:23:10hcsthat seems to have the same versions of everything, including the plugins
12:23:25Vague_RantI found a recommendation in some other topic that one deletes the .rockbox directory instead of writing over it.
12:23:36Vague_RantI'll give it a shot.
12:24:01hcsrename it to .rockbox2 in case you want it later
12:24:48Vague_RantThat's a better idea, eh.
12:25:29Vague_RantGuh, Windows won't let me rename .rockbox.
12:25:53Vague_RantMeh, I can always just copy the directory contents across to the new .rockbox if necessary.
12:26:10hcscall it bob.rockbox if it insists on having a name before the extension
12:27:17Mikachuhe won't be able to rename it back :)
12:28:28hcshe could rename it back in rockbox
12:28:45Vague_RantJesus Christ.
12:28:55Vague_RantThe fuckin' power cable zapped me.
12:29:26Vague_RantAnyway, looks like that did the trick.
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12:31:31Vague_RantWhat ROMs does PacBox need?
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12:55:30Vague_RantThanks all, have a good one.
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12:59:10decayedcelllol make amiconn happy commit?
13:01:26markunI think it just makes him a bit less sad and not just him
13:07:49decayedcellis there such thing as a iTunes to Rockbox playlist converte
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13:09:39linuxstbI think someone wrote a plugin for that, but it's quite old, so may need updating. It should be in the patch tracker.
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13:17:33Hsysyou can scan you itunes database with rockbox ...
13:17:47Hsysyou could scan your*
13:18:53decayedcellthats not the point, the playlists are lost when you use Rockbox - unless you're saying that rockbox's database converts the iTunes playlists?
13:21:03linuxstbRockbox itself doesn't touch the itunes database.
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14:06:31*XavierGr just won an Ondio FM auction! Add another user on the Archos userbase. :D
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14:08:03Genre9mp3XavierGr: \o/
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14:11:58XavierGrnow I need an ipod and a gigabeat to complete my rockbox-targets daps :P
14:12:50Genre9mp3and an iAudio X5 and a Sansa... :P
14:13:07XavierGrI completely forgot about them
14:13:12XavierGrsilly me
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14:30:01scorcheMikachu: SYN
14:31:59scorcheonce 7zip finishes, i will be uploading a new image to your server
14:32:13Mikachuokay, let me start the ftp server
14:32:23Mikachuthere :)
14:33:20*scorche wonders if he should worry that the first word that struck out at him from the ftp was "porno"
14:33:21Mikachuwhat's changed?
14:33:38scorchearm > 4.0.3 so that arm will build again
14:34:13scorcheand i changed stuff around so that it agrees with instead of differing so as to make life easier for others
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14:34:41fir3what player can you recommend me for use with rockbox?
14:34:53scorchethat depends on what you are looking for
14:34:58Mikachuscorche: i moved that stuff to a no-access subdir :)
14:35:25scorcheMikachu: bah you =P
14:35:26Mikachu(it is a name of a band)
14:35:33scorchei know, but still ;)
14:36:16Mikachuit's funny, when i first set it up i didn't think to make the anon account write-only
14:36:32fir3i mainly want a player that has a decent battery life with rockbox
14:36:44scorchedefine "decent"
14:36:47Mikachuand someone uploaded like 1GB of dutch trance (?) (got the address from port scanning i assume), then when i deleted it he uploaded a file that contained a lot of cursing :)
14:37:03fir3~12hours should be ok
14:37:05scorcheMikachu: well, hopefully, you learned ;)
14:37:16Mikachuhopefully he did too
14:37:18markunfir3: some people got up to 20 with a Gigabeat F40
14:38:01fir3yesterday someone recommended me a gigabeat player, too
14:38:13fir3but i was unable to find a store selling it :(
14:38:32markunyes, you will not find them in stores (outside of australia) anymore
14:38:46markunperhaps we should tell Toshiba they need to produce them again :)
14:39:16fir3why did they stop producing such a nice device? :/
14:41:36markunbecause they made one with FM and TV-out (S series) and after that the Zune.
14:42:03fir3oh right the zune... :/
14:42:24fir3how does the zune work with rockbox?
14:42:57Genre9mp3doesn't work at all
14:43:23fir3hrm...but that would i mean i have to buy sth from m$ :)
14:43:34scorcheif it worked, yes
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14:45:40fir3cool i found 2 f40s on ebay
14:45:58fir3what's a good price for a used one?
14:48:50hcswith some code shuffling and a larger buffer, ff6 opening theme part 3 runs with echo without skipping on an ipod
14:49:10hcswith icatcher wps, I might add
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14:52:28fir3_what was the last message you received from me?
14:52:58hcsyou asked what the good price for a used f40 would be, I got a refurbished one from for $160
14:56:11scorcheMikachu: i take that back...i always seem to forgot how long 7zip takes...i am going to go to sleep and will upload when i wake
14:56:20Mikachuokay, let me know when it's done
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14:56:49scorchethe compression, or the upload?
14:56:56Mikachuthe upload
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14:58:38JdGordonw1ll14m: i am now
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15:03:21fir3_does the gigabeat f40 support all the rockbox features?
15:04:29hcsthe hardware has no recording capability
15:05:35hcsthe device chart is useful for comparisons:
15:05:39fir3_but everything else works well?
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15:06:58Genre9mp3also it doesn't have radio
15:08:52fir3_i never really needed the radio function
15:10:13fir3_what does 'ROLO' mean?
15:10:37Genre9mp3Rockbox Loader
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15:11:14fir3_that means no dualboot, right?
15:11:51Genre9mp3hmm.. don't have a Gigabeat myself (yet) but I think that you can dual boot
15:12:15hcsdual boot didn't work last I checked
15:12:19Mikachurolo means you boot something else from inside rockbox
15:12:49fir3_what could you boot from inside rockbox?
15:13:02hcsyou can force it to reload the original firmware, but the you need to manually install the rockbox firmware again
15:13:10Mikachuanother version of rockbox, the original firmware, linux if it's an ipod
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15:15:14markunMikachu: there are still some vague plans in #gigabeat to add linux to the Gigabeat as well
15:15:52fir3_i don't care about the original firmware if i can use all the device functions in rockbox
15:16:04fir3_(with a decent battery life)
15:17:12fir3_is there anything i could really miss when using rockbox instead of the original fw?
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15:21:09Genre9mp3Would you miss sat encrypted mp3s? I think not...
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15:22:31Genre9mp3otoh I should stop talking about Gigabeat since I don't have one.. :)
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15:24:00markunfir3_: wma
15:24:16Genre9mp3I knew it was coming....
15:24:48markunand some interface features like rotating and sliding on the touchpad
15:26:13fir3_rotating and sliding? there some video demonstrating this, don't know what exactly you mean ;)
15:26:52Genre9mp3rotating of the screen orientation (landscape/portrait)
15:26:55fir3_how come it doesn't support wma? (i never use wma, just wondering)
15:27:17Genre9mp3there is a work in progress for wma support
15:27:37fir3_oh right. no, i don't need that :)
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15:31:13fir3_markun: do you mean this?
15:34:51fir3_any chances this will be supported later? :)
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15:38:38markunfir3_: sure, someone just needs to implement it
15:39:34fir3_are there many rockbox devs having the f40?
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15:40:02markunmore and more :)
15:40:28markunwe finished the port in january
15:40:36JdGordonmarkun: any idea how those commands would work in rockbox?
15:40:49fir3_although it doesn't get produced anymore? :o
15:40:53JdGordonsort of takes actions to a whole new level :p
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16:03:07|Rincewind|I get the following build error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lspeex
16:04:27|Rincewind|nevermind, I just noticed that the error is in the build table, too
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16:05:42|Rincewind|no it's not :(
16:06:19|Rincewind|do I have to install speex? (I wanted to build the h120 sim)
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16:07:56GodEatersince the sim started supporting it, yes you do
16:08:07GodEaterunless you edit the makefile to take all the references to libspeex out
16:08:35Mikachuno, libspeex should be contained in rockbox
16:08:47Mikachulike all the other codecs
16:09:14GodEatereven in the sim ?
16:09:31GodEater-lspeex looks like a dynamic link command to me
16:09:39|Rincewind|I already did a "make clean" btw
16:10:08|Rincewind|but maybe I have to make .configure again.
16:10:09Mikachudid you try svn update?
16:10:24Mikachuit sounds like a makefile error
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16:13:50|Rincewind|it worked. Running .configure again did the trick
16:14:59DataGhostwhat iPod(s) do you have again? :P
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16:45:09fir3_how does rockboy/doom run on the gigabeat?
16:46:14markunfir3_: pretty good, but the sound on rockboy is a bit buggy (on all targets)
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16:50:29fir3i really have to get rid of this crappy fritzcard...
16:50:58markunfir3_: to give you an indication: the ipods have a dual 80MHz ARM7, the Gigabeat has a 300MHz ARM9
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16:51:37fir3yep i read that on the specs page. impressive :)
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16:51:56markunbut some devs complain it takes the fun out of optimizing :)
16:52:37fir3do you know if the gigabeat is still sold in taiwan?
16:54:03fir3anyone? :)
16:54:25markunI don't even know if it was ever sold there
16:55:01markunfir3: perhaps google for "gigabeat site:tw"
16:55:41markunfir3: only F and X are supported btw
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16:56:11fir3but no one recommended the X to me, how come?
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16:56:21markunthey are hard to get
16:56:40markunI would love to swap my F for a X
16:56:41fir3even harder than the F? :o
16:58:43fir3$1187 ??
16:58:53markunhow much is that?
16:59:08fir3dunno :)
16:59:48markunthis one is NTD$8880
17:00:14markunare you going to taiwan soon?
17:00:32fir3no but i know someone who possibly goes there
17:02:35markunabout 180 euro
17:02:57markunMikachu: he lives in Germany
17:03:18fir3my converter says 209?
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17:03:42lolzorshello everyone
17:03:59markunhi lolzors
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17:04:34norbusanHi all! Anyone here who can help with fix the insert patch for the new menu system?
17:04:37markunno!! not more webguests!!
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17:04:58norbusanmarkun: webguest ... what do you want ...
17:05:11markunnorbusan: that I can't remember their names..
17:05:22markunone is called 60, the other 36 etc...
17:05:33markunmaybe I'm just getting old
17:05:38fir3if these are twd, that would be 28? oO
17:05:40lolzorssoooo....does RockBox play videos (in a 5.5g Ipod Video)
17:05:47norbusanwebguest45 to webguest82: Did you know that webguest42 has had love with webguest 92?
17:05:49markunlolzors: yes
17:06:14markunlolzors: but mpeg2 videos only, which you have to encode yourself
17:06:17crashdjust not using the video acceleration of the broadcom chip
17:06:35webguest36well today i am exploring what are the possibilities to take more control over my ipod
17:06:47webguest36so i find rockbox and ipodlinux
17:06:53*Soap suggests couple therapy. Control issues are bad.
17:07:00markunnorbusan: I'm sure JdGordon could help you if het was here
17:07:02lolzorsthat is a downer considering all my videos are mp4 (which is a better compression)
17:07:07lolzorso well
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17:07:53markunwebguest36: and? What do you think of rockbox so far?
17:07:54norbusanOk, so I have to do the trial and error method ... thanks.
17:08:12markunnp :)
17:08:19webguest36i want to develop applications for mu ipod
17:08:23webguest36and i am trying to figure out
17:08:24Soapnorbusan: you never asked a specific question.
17:08:27webguest36what are the differences
17:08:51webguest36cause ipodlinux is a lionux distro, and ok, i can imagine what i can do
17:08:58webguest36but rockbox seems different
17:09:02norbusanSoap: Well, the patch in the tracker is completely outdated. maxwen has updated it once but not submitted to the tracker.
17:09:03SoapIPL is linux on the iPod. Rockbox is its own kernel and enviroment on the iPod - both like C and POSIX.
17:09:49norbusanWith the new menu system (just recently the playlst menu was changed) the insert patch does of course not work anymore.
17:10:09Soapnorbusan: So the question is on how to resync the patch?
17:10:26webguest36but, for instance, rockbox come with out of the box support for a lot of encoders and ad hoc features for portabe players
17:10:31norbusanNow my question is how to transfer the old into the new style: The old had a function static bool click_insert(void), and a line { ID2P(LANG_CLICK_INSERT), click_insert },
17:11:09markunwebguest36: ipodlinux is for people who want to have linux on their ipods. rockbox is for people who want to listen to music.
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17:11:16webguest36i don't see such extensive feature support with ipodlinux, cause it is not a "specific" product.
17:11:22norbusanfor apps/menus/playlis_menu.c this doesn't work, naturally.
17:11:24webguest36I am just wondering what is the best way
17:11:36markunwebguest36: you can install both
17:12:09Soapwebguest36: what kind of applications do you want to write? What kind of support do they need from the OS?
17:12:31webguest36well, the long-term idea is to connect the ipod to the net, via some kind of wifi adapter
17:12:40webguest36but i see there is no usb support even in ipodlinux
17:12:43markungo with ipodlinux I would say
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17:12:53webguest36yes, i think so
17:12:59markunrockbox also doesn't have usb support
17:13:25webguest36i am trying to understand the pieces: i want to install the Loader2 from ipodlinux project
17:13:30webguest36can i run rockbox on top of it?
17:13:41SoapLoader2 can boot Rockbox, yes.
17:14:04SoapIt will look for Rockbox in the first FAT32 primary partition.
17:15:05webguest36right now i have just follewed instructions to resize Empty partition and create the linux one as /dev/sdb3
17:15:27webguest36i am confused because there are 2 bootloader and they seem to act differently
17:15:48Soapyou will be a hero to many, webguest36, if you accomplish talking to a WiFi adapter either by fixing IPL's Serial interface, or by getting the USB to work on the PortaPlayer chips.
17:15:50webguest36the Loader2 wants to install the OS on FAT32 partition, that is where songs are on
17:16:17webguest36I think it is very difficoult cause: 1. there is no usb driver
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17:16:36webguest362. i need an hardware adapter to connect a generic usbadapter to ipod...
17:16:42webguest362. i need an hardware adapter to connect a generic usbadapter to ipod...
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17:17:18Soapoh, if you are serious about writing a USB or serial driver for the ipod - I would happily make you the adapter.
17:17:43webguest36no, i do not have any skill on that kind of low level programming
17:18:19webguest36i am reading about firewire network connection on ipodlinux site but...
17:18:43webguest36i am wondering what they are talking about, ipod uses usb or i am missing something?
17:18:46fir3there's no gigabeatlinux right?
17:20:11Soapwebguest36: first gen used FW only, 5th and Nano use USB only - somewhere in the middle they used both.
17:20:40webguest36ah, ok, didn't know, i just have a 1st gen nano
17:21:43webguest36so, tu summarize: there is the Loader2 and i will put it in the ext2 partitions i have just created, and it can load the rockbox firmware in the fat32 partition. but... i am confused, there are 3 pieces: firmware, loader and os
17:21:57webguest36i think apple firmware goes to Empty partition
17:22:08webguest36the i put the loader2 on the ext2 partition
17:22:25webguest36then i put ipodlinux on the ext2 as well
17:22:32webguest36and, if i like, rockbox on the fat32
17:22:49webguest36and the loader ask me if i want to load apple firmware, ipodlinux or rockbox
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17:23:52markunfir3: no (not yet?)
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17:25:07fir3i'm worried about buying an old device no one is willing to program for :/
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17:26:02ildellawell, I was webguest36 :)
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17:36:45markunfir3: which device are you talking about?
17:40:52fir3_markun: the gigabeat
17:41:14markunwhat makes you think no on e is willing to program for it?
17:41:21fir3_'cause toshiba never sold it in europe
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17:41:38fir3_there are not so much people having one
17:41:54GodEaterI have one, and i live in Europe
17:42:00markunme too
17:42:06GodEaterthough what that has to do with people developing for it I have no clue
17:42:46markunfir3: as long as it's supported by rockbox I don't think you have to worry about people not willing to program for a device
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17:43:00markunwell, perhaps the old archos players, but they still have amiconn :)
17:43:13fir3_hum..good point
17:43:32markunfir3: which other players have people programming for it?
17:43:40markunbesides the rockbox ones
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17:43:55markunah well, there is archopen of course
17:44:25GodEaternot as mature or well rounded according to linuxstb mind you
17:45:02fir3_too bad i bought that crappy zen micro before discovering rockbox :/
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17:47:06amiconnXavierGr: Congrats
17:47:38*amiconn is still waiting for the first 8GB MMCs to hit the market
17:47:49*amiconn wants to code MMC4.2 support
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17:49:35markunamiconn: for your ondio?
17:51:31perl|perlmight be a nice rockbox candidate :P
17:51:50perl|perlsince it doesnt have any built in eq settings at all
17:52:03perl|perlweird screen resolution as well
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17:57:03jhMikeSamiconn: does arm work more quickly with 32 bit data than 16 bit or do most instuctions come have the eqivalent of .w for cf?
17:57:12jhMikeSpetur: word? :)
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17:57:39jhMikeSrecording checked out?
17:58:28peturall fine I think - am post-processing now and will give it a good listen on monday (with headphone)
17:58:41peturhaven't heard anything wrong
17:59:12jhMikeSgood :)...what was wrong before was too obvious to miss
18:00:26peturbut last night, I did notice that when I got it out of the bag, the backlight was on and stayed on forever. Very weird. I had HOLD on so it couldn't have been a keypress
18:00:41peturmust try to reproduce
18:00:51Mikachucheck if the "backlight on hold" is set to always on :)
18:00:52peturcliplight is on but clip hold time is 5s
18:01:02*petur checks
18:01:30peturit's on
18:01:30jhMikeSlol...forgot about that one...and I added it :P
18:01:37peturwho did that
18:02:37peturis the default 'on' or what?
18:02:48jhMikeSno, default is normal
18:03:03LloreanThe default is to be the same as when hold is off.
18:03:24LloreanBut I've turned it on once or twice while not paying attention and trying to turn it off instead.
18:03:27jhMikeSI meant the default _is_ "Normal"
18:04:16Mikachui always check when i enable hold that the light turns off
18:04:16peturwell that explains why my battery was going down so fast ;)
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18:04:55*petur checks his settings file
18:05:00jhMikeSThat's an EL panel backlight? Those suck the power down.
18:05:34peturweird, it's in the settings file I once exported as my default :/
18:07:07*jhMikeS 's code always causes Petur frustration
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18:07:20peturah you noticed :p
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18:14:44amiconnjhMikeS: Stick to 32 bit on arm. 16 bit is significantly slower because gcc then inserts masking operations
18:15:41amiconnjhMikeS: EL backlight needs about the same power as LED backlight if the converter is ok
18:16:14jhMikeSReally? Seems like I can leave the bl on on my iRiver a lot and not see much drain
18:16:15amiconnThe irivers have LED backlights
18:16:27XavierGramiconn: thanks, as soon as I get it I will try to mod it with backlight, but I am sure that finding the foil will be hard enough.
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18:16:46amiconnYes, and finding the correct chip might also be a problem
18:17:24amiconnYou should ask [IDC]Dragon when he's around
18:17:30XavierGralso I hope that it will not suffer from the famous power drain issue
18:18:42amiconnpixelma is about to take a photo of her backlit Ondio, for replacing the one in the wiki
18:18:50amiconn(which shows the archos firmware)
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18:19:14XavierGramiconn: I will ask him, though if the chip and foil is too hard to find (or too expensive to get) I am afraid I will pass on that
18:21:36XavierGrI am afraid that even if I find the chip the shipping cost will be too much (especially from US)
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18:27:04XavierGramiconn: where did you manage to find your materials? (chip and foil)
18:29:48mattzzHi, I have a general question: How does the decision process look like, what patch goes into SVN and what not?
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18:32:56Lloreanmattzz: There's really no formal process, how much and what sort of discussion happens depends on the feature.
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18:34:43mattzzLlorean: I see a couple of nice plugin patches waiting (besides my own :-P ). I think in SVN they will be better verified/tested.
18:34:49carlsomeone can upload uncrypted file on a ftp server ?
18:34:59carljust a firmware
18:35:05peturmattzz: nagging sometimes helps ;)
18:35:18Lloreanmattzz: SVN isn't really for testing. Patches should generally be tested on as many targets as possible first.
18:35:24LloreanWhich plugin patches were you thinking about though?
18:35:50mattzzLlorean: I saw a gif-viewer plugin for instance
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18:37:12Lloreanmattzz: Yes, but the person who implemented that never bothered to make it at all cross platform
18:37:54mattzzLlorean: OK, so that could be my next tasks ;-)
18:38:29LloreanA patch is less likely to get included unless it works on All (or almost all, if there's a good reason) targets.
18:38:47LloreanIf it only works on one, it's very unlikely to be considered.
18:38:58LloreanBecause in that case it means more work for the person who's going to commit it.
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18:39:26mattzzGood point. So every plugin has to be proven on all platforms working (at least on every simulator).
18:39:35LloreanAnd the people with commit access are usually working on other things anyway, so don't want to pick up the job of making a plugin work properly on top of it all.
18:39:46LloreanNot _every_ simulator necessarily.
18:39:57peturif we start supporting multiple gfx formats, could we combine them into one viewer plugin?
18:40:01LloreanFor example the H120 and the iPod 4G have the same screen shape/depth
18:40:42mattzzpetur: that would make sense.
18:40:56LloreanBasically, you need to make sure all the keymaps work, and that your various screen sizes work. You should be reasonably sure it'll work everywhere, but testing on every single simulator is a bit overkill in many cases.
18:40:58mattzzLlorean: Is there something like a minimum regression requirement?
18:41:24*mattzz is thinking of another wiki page...
18:41:54LloreanAs I said there's no formal process yet. Basically, it has to be something that the person who chooses to commit feels comfortable that they're not going to get yelled at for committing. :)
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18:42:49LloreanIn terms of plugins that means reasonably cross-platform tested. In terms of core features, it gets a _lot_ fuzzier.
18:43:08mattzzOK, I will start a page to share a view on how to make that happen. I think that a plugin in SVN gets more attention than in FS so things might speed up.
18:43:13mattzzYaeh, I was thinking about plugins in the first place
18:43:24LloreanThe trick is, SVN is for things that work.
18:44:00LloreanAnd 'work' usually means 'runs on all targets, and doesn't have obvious problems'
18:44:18LloreanOr at least 'runs on all the targets it should run on' for plugins that say, require color graphics.
18:44:53mattzzLlorean: Yup, that's why I will set up a list of things to do and I will propose a list of plugins to be put in SVN after they passed the tests.
18:45:10markunmattzz: I also had a hard time maintaining the unicode patch before it was ready for commit
18:45:32markunbut that's just the way it is
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18:46:51mattzzmarkun: I understand that very well. Thing is, that some times there is just a lack of feedback. Eg. I do not find a hint in the viewbox plugin that point to more x-platform work to do.
18:47:01LloreanWell, it'd be hard to come up with a much better way.
18:47:20mattzzNo, but I understand your views a bit better now ;)
18:49:08Lloreanpetur: Is there some good reason to combine it into a single viewer plugin?
18:49:32peturease of use when looking at pics?
18:49:37LloreanI actually think it's a bad idea
18:49:45peturbut I can't imagine having jpg and gif in one folder
18:49:48LloreanRight now, if the pic can fit in the plugin buffer, music can continue playing while you view it.
18:50:00LloreanIf the plugin gets bigger, the maximum pic size while music plays gets smaller, quickly
18:50:16peturwell I did have resource issues in mind so combining may not be the best thing
18:50:33peturI was just thinking about the slideshow feature
18:50:50LloreanPerhaps some file delineating supported image formats, a simplified viewers.config, so the plugins can launch the next one or something for slideshows?
18:50:53petursome way to swap decoding engines in/out
18:51:01LloreanImage codecs. :-P
18:51:20Soapwhy wouldn't someone be expected to have .gif and .jpg in the same folder?
18:51:23peturor like overlays
18:51:23LloreanYeah, as long as it's not all one big lump of a plugin.
18:51:50peturjpg = pictures, gif = LQ gfx
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18:52:10Soapyea - and? I still don't see why there would be an expectation of seperation.
18:52:13peturjpg and png I can imagine, but gif sux
18:52:44peturand gifs are probably animated which doesn't fit in the slideshow feature
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18:53:06XavierGrmy thought is that we need something like saperate graphic codecs and one unified viewer that will call each codec
18:53:14SoapI'm picturing (bad pun) a situation where someone is using their DAP to display their collection of funny images collected on the web to a friend.
18:53:33peturpoint taken
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18:54:06LloreanWe shouldn't discriminate against image formats. We don't with audio formats (except MIDI, which we clearly hate, leaving it just a lone plugin :-P)
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18:54:56XavierGrmidi is problematic due to the patchset
18:55:19XavierGrbut ideally it could be intergrated too with the others
18:55:41SoapMIDI recording would be a trick feature to add once there was working USB stacks. Plug in your MIDI keyboard and record your doodelings, and then be able to playback anytime.
18:56:02*petur hides quickly
18:56:08LloreanI do wonder, though, is our midi patchset perhaps way too big?
18:56:14Soapbut that's neither here nor there.
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19:01:49*linuxstb reads the forums and wonders how people can _still_ be having trouble installing Rockbox on their ipod...
19:02:25Mikachuas soon as you invent a foolproof method, they invent a better idiot
19:02:56Mikachus/idiot/fool/ :)
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19:14:21amiconnXavierGr: I got the chip & foil from [IDC]Dragon, who in turn ordered the chips as samples from the manufacturer
19:14:52amiconnThe foils are from a swedish backlight kit for a diy mp3 player
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19:20:07XavierGramiconn: ah nice, and in which country is the manufacturer?
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19:32:49fir3__how long can i listen to music(backlight off) with rockbox?
19:33:09Lloreanfir3__: Do a benchmark and find out?
19:33:26LloreanIt can vary greatly with battery age, music format, bitrate, and other options you're using.
19:33:37lex is this the newest bootloader for 5.5G
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19:34:19Lloreanlex: The newest precompiled one, yes. Though the most recent instructions don't require you to download a separate bootloader.
19:34:41lexso does that one work with cop, so i could play music?
19:34:47lexor if it's even because of cop
19:35:13LloreanYou can play music without COP...
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19:35:25LloreanBut that bootloader will work with COP builds, yes.
19:35:28lexi have no idea then why can't i play music
19:35:38lexit just doesn't start to play
19:35:56LloreanWith an official build, installed following official instructions?
19:36:13lexoh, i guess i have the senab's build
19:36:20LloreanThat's not an official build.
19:36:35lexi could try with an official too
19:36:45lexbut those themes won't work with it
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19:37:25LloreanWell, Senab's build isn't supported here.
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19:38:01lexlet's see
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19:42:00markunpetur: as opposed to looking to it?
19:42:19markunsame her
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19:45:42lexLlorean: it work's with the official build, thanks :)
19:45:49lexmarkun: hey
19:49:02peturlet's go
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19:56:16markunhi linuxstb
19:56:22markuneh, hi lex
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20:22:44markunDo the bitmaps for the WPS have to be short to save space?
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20:24:25markunyes, I'm working on the Rockboxed theme to include with rockbox
20:24:56markunI now have filenames like ps-mono-big.bmp, but perhaps ps-mb.bmp is better?
20:25:16LloreanOh, I don't think that matters as long as they fit the buffer.
20:25:29LloreanSince the buffer's static anyway, I don't imagine longer names matter as long as they fit.
20:25:59markundo you perhaps know how large the buffer is?
20:26:05LloreanNo clue.
20:26:12markunok, I'll look it up
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20:30:43LloreanUh oh.
20:31:23LloreanEngadget got an article wrong (claiming iPodWizard allows backdrop replacement on the 2G Nano, when it seems it's only on the 1G). Be prepared for people coming in claiming the 2G's firmware has been decrypted/hacked.
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20:55:15mattzzLlorean: are you there?
20:55:51mattzzLlorean: I started
20:56:59mattzzLlorean: What platforms would you consider important for testing (you mentioned H120 and Ipod 4g being quite similar)
20:57:21Lloreanmattzz: The iFP-700 and the Tatung Elio don't need to be tested. They aren't ports yet, not really
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20:58:06LloreanBut there's many cases of cross-screen compatibility. The H3xx series and the iPod Photo use the same screen dimensions, as well as the H1xx and iPod 4G Gray.
20:58:25barrywardelland the X5 and H10 20GB
20:58:30mattzzThat is exactly the information I was looking for
20:58:31LloreanReally basically you should just make sure you have it either be screen agnostic, or drawing routines for each screen.
21:00:03hcsendian sensitivity ought to be mentioned, as it seems to come up when someone is developing for only little-endian...
21:00:06linuxstb_mattz: The AV300 port is still in early development as well, so you can remove that from the list.
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21:00:27Lloreanhcs: That does come up, primarily if the plugin saves or reads a file, yeah.
21:00:48hcsI know it's happened to me enough.
21:02:05linuxstb_As well as endian issues, there are two other, similar issues - ARM and SH require aligned memory accesses (Coldfire doesn't), and on ARM, the "char" type is signed by default, but unsigned on most other platforms. But those kinds of problems will show themselves during normal testing - assuming you test on a real target, not the sim.
21:03:03LloreanAn actual "SVN Readiness" checklist for plugins would be kinda nice.
21:03:10barrywardellalso, plugins should make use of the plugin api where possible. eg. the menu api should be uses for all plugins
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21:03:34LloreanAt that point it'd make it a lot easier for plugins, at least, to get included.
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21:04:00hcslinuxstb_: if by "a real target" you mean "all real targets", yeah it should show up in testing, but if you don't own the hardware in question
21:04:07linuxstb_Probably also worth pointing to the docs/CONTRIBUTING file for code style guidelines.
21:04:34Lloreanhcs: It'd be any real target with that architecture.
21:04:36linuxstb_hcs; You should try and find volunteers so that it runs on at least one real target with each CPU type.
21:04:46*petur wonders why this page is only made for plugins. All patches should comply
21:05:10Lloreanpetur: Core patches have a lot more debate over them anyway, in terms of "Do we really need this feature?" and such
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21:06:30peturwe alse need a unified use of menus in the plugins. atm, each plugin uses its own style
21:06:39mattzzlinuxstb: docs/CONTRIBUTING is linked on the plugin verification topic
21:06:53linuxstb_mattzz: Sorry, missed that...
21:07:04barrywardellpetur: like i just mentioned (menu api)
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21:09:03mattzzbarrywardell: can you give me a pointer to the menu api (I dont know what that is)
21:09:16barrywardelli see my comment made it to the wiki, typo and all :P
21:09:40barrywardellmattzz: some of the plugins use it. i'll see if I can find a good example
21:09:50mattzzbarrywardell: sure, as mentioned in CONTRIBUTING - do not mess with ones style :-P
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21:11:16LloreanIt's possible that we could drop the list of targets
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21:11:55LloreanAnd instead do a list of screen dimensions, and a list of 'keymaps' (Archos Recorder, Ondio, H100, H300, iPod, Gigabeat, H10, Sansa?)
21:12:03mattzzLlorean: I am not happy with that list either - a more specific thing would be more helpful
21:12:31LloreanYou can test keymaps AND screen dimensions safely on a very limited selection of Sims.
21:12:46LloreanThen you need to test on-target for each of the three architectures, I'd say
21:15:07barrywardellmattzz: solitaire.c uses the menu api. a lot of plugins don't use it but probably should
21:16:34barrywardelland test_disk is another example
21:16:47LloreanDoes Jewels us it?
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21:19:39mattzzmattzz@mcgraw:~/rockbox-dev/rockbox/firmware/export$ grep WIDTH config-* | sort -k 2
21:19:52mattzzshould give a starting point
21:20:25Lloreanbarrywardell: We should upgrade the API so it can at least do menus like that. It looks a bit nicer than just top-left justified.
21:21:12barrywardellLlorean: I agree. the reason most plugins don't use the menu api is probably because it doesn't look too nice. most plugins opt for a custom, nice looking menu instead
21:21:35LloreanJewels is still a very basic menu, but it manages to look 'nice enough' I think
21:22:16barrywardellyes, simple but effective
21:22:50linuxstb_And the reason the Rockbox menus don't look very nice is that people spend their time writing custom menus...
21:23:26barrywardella flexible (and documented!) menu api would go a long way...
21:23:29LloreanInstead of upgrading the existing one.
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21:26:17barrywardelllooks like amiconn created the existing menu api
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21:29:15_kewhat is the voice-menu feature about?
21:29:47LloreanIt reads the menus?
21:30:03LloreanI'm not sure how you can describe what a feature is 'about'
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21:33:05_keLlorean, how does it work? do i need custom mp3's?
21:33:20SoapIt's about 2m high, about 17 stone, and can run about 800 fathoms in one minute.
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21:34:42Lloreanmattzz: Rocklife doesn't seem to work with backdrop images even with _4
21:35:49mattzzLlorean: thanks for testing. What is the effect? Backdrop not getting cleared?
21:35:56mattzzLlorean: what platform?
21:36:09Lloreanmattzz: Gigabeat, and yes, backdrop isn't cleared.
21:36:12_keLlorean, thanks
21:36:29mattzzHm, I used something like rb->set_backdrop(NULL)
21:36:38_keanother question: is it possible to add an entry "newest albums?"
21:37:17Llorean_ke: No, though you can do one for albums you haven't listened to yet.
21:37:41Lloreanmattzz: I honestly don't know how to override a set backdrop. It may be necessary to set your own.
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21:38:29bluebrothermattzz, tried rb->lcd_set_backdrop(NULL)?
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21:38:36Lloreanmattzz: Actually, bubbles does it
21:38:38mattzzThat's what all plugins do: rb->lcd_set_backdrop(NULL);
21:38:46looperman84I need help with rockbox install, can anyone help me
21:39:01LloreanWell, solitaire doesn't clear the backdrop properly, bubbles does.
21:39:01*mattzz has never used backdrops :-p
21:39:20Lloreanlooperman84: Where in the instructions do you encounter problems?
21:39:38mattzzmaybe there is an lcd_update() missing?
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21:39:55looperman84I dont, it's after I reboot the iPod, it hangs on the loading, and i see a line that says No partition found
21:39:59Lloreanmattzz: I may have made a mistake
21:40:06LloreanSomehow it looks like Rocklife didn't get made...
21:40:26Lloreanmattzz: Your most recent patch didn't update SOURCES
21:40:27looperman84i followed instructions perfectly
21:40:35linuxstb_Do you have an 80GB video ipod?
21:40:40looperman84no 30
21:40:54linuxstb_Which instructions did you follow?
21:41:09Lloreanmattzz: Let me go try again, sorry for the mistake
21:41:17mattzzLlorean: I know - because I think that the line in SOURCES was not correct
21:41:21linuxstb_Sounds like you installed an old version of the bootloader, one before the 5.5g video ipods were supported.
21:41:27mattzzLlorean: no prob
21:41:37looperman84at first I tried the original instructions, then I saw the link that said they were outdated, I then reformatted the iPod using iTunes and tried the new instructions. still the same thing happens
21:42:15linuxstb_Where are the "new instructions" you followed?
21:42:24looperman84let me paste a link
21:42:51looperman84I used these
21:43:01Lloreanlooperman84: And it's a windows formatted iPod?
21:43:19looperman84yes, I tried on os 10.4 but to no avail
21:44:06linuxstb_Did you restore it using itunes on OS X, or itunes on Windows?
21:44:30bluebrothermattzz, what should be wrong with the SOURCES file?
21:45:00Lloreanmattzz: Okay, it works. It was my mistake
21:45:11mattzzI was not quite sure about that particular line
21:45:28bluebrotherit needs a bitmap lcd, doesn't it?
21:45:51looperman84so am I sol with rockbox on my iPod
21:46:06linuxstb_looperman84: Did ipodpatcher display a prompt asking if you wanted to install the bootloader?
21:46:11bluebrotherso just add it in the HAVE_LCD_BITMAP block
21:46:22looperman84yes it did, but that failed to install also.
21:46:45linuxstb_What do you mean "failed to install". Did it give an error message?
21:47:02looperman84yes, it said install failed, or moving image file failed or something of that nature
21:47:29linuxstb_The _exact_ error would be useful.
21:47:38looperman84im gonna get that right now
21:48:00Soapoh woe is me - I forgot to start recording and didn't catch the end of my ipod's ~22 hour Apple FW discharge test. :(
21:48:07looperman84by the way thanks for the help, I really appreciate it.
21:48:11mattzzbluebrother: OK, the old one was #if LCD_DEPTH >= 16
21:48:12mattzz rockpaint.c
21:48:12mattzz #endif
21:48:12DBUGEnqueued KICK mattzz
21:48:27mattzzwhich was not optimal
21:48:51bluebrotherI just added it to the HAVE_LCD_BITMAP to my sources for building
21:49:13looperman84ok I get, error reading from disk: The parameter is incorrect.
21:49:29looperman84then it says [err] write failed
21:49:33Lloreanmattzz: You can probably put it right after the ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP
21:49:45linuxstb_looperman84: Is this on Windows or OS X?
21:49:57looperman84it's on a windows xp computer
21:49:58mattzzLlorean: ok
21:50:16linuxstb_Are you logged in as administrator?
21:50:34looperman84it also says [err] image movement failed] : No error [err] −−install failed. Yes I am admin
21:50:42Lloreanmattzz: Will it work on the Recorder?
21:51:14mattzzI tested it on the AJR hardware
21:51:35linuxstb_looperman84: What version number is ipodpatcher displaying, and what are you typing to run it?
21:51:44Lloreanmattzz: Then yeah, that's probably where it belongs, I think
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21:52:12looperman84v0.8 and all i do is double click on it like the instructions say to do
21:56:55markunI just committed the 'Rockboxed' theme to SVN. It would be nice if people could test it on various targets.
21:57:16markunI made a lot of changes and some bugs might have slipped in
21:59:03looperman84should I try again after letting iTunes restore the iPod
21:59:26linuxstb_looperman84: Sorry, I've got no more ideas... Does ipodpatcher display your ipod's sector size? It should be either 512 or 2048
21:59:43looperman84yea it says 2048
22:01:01looperman84cya later
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22:06:51Mikachumarkun: it seems to work on nano, but is there a screenshot to compare to?
22:06:54looperman84hey linuxstb thanks for everything, I got it working now. I just restored the ipod with itunes and then extracted the needed files, and then ran ipodpatcher again and all worked fine
22:07:12Mikachumarkun: it would also be nice if the packaged themes used fonts that support a wider range of characters
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22:07:23looperman84how do I make the fonts bigger
22:07:35TrueJournalsUse a font that is bigger
22:07:57looperman84where are they located
22:08:06LloreanMikachu: Right now, we don't include any fonts with Rockbox, yet we include themes that use non-included fonts.
22:08:08LloreanThis seems wrong to me.
22:08:18Lloreanlooperman84: Download the fonts archive from the extras page
22:08:52MikachuLlorean: the fonts are included in the install process, just not in the same zip file, if you don't install the fonts zip, you haven't installed rockbox completely
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22:09:57Genre9mp3markun: I see fg/bg colour support in nice! :)
22:10:09TrueJournalsI guess it's like when you have an installer for software... you have options for "minimal" and "full"..
22:10:16markunGenre9mp3: yes, we should update the other themes
22:10:18TrueJournalsjust rockbox = minimal, rockbox with fonts = full
22:10:31markunMikachu: or add glyphs to the fonts!
22:10:31Mikachuin this case unusable and usable
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22:10:49TrueJournalsWell, I can use rockbox fine without the fonts pack...
22:10:59LloreanMikachu: I suppose that's true
22:11:31TrueJournalsI guess I think that if you're saying the fonts are required to use rockbox... why not include them with rockbox...
22:12:11LloreanTrueJournals: Because they're only ever required once.
22:12:11Mikachuiirc they were just separated to lighten the load on the server
22:12:23LloreanDownloaded them every single time *greatly* increases bandwidth use.
22:13:10TrueJournalsLlorean: but when people tell others to update rockbox... they say to first delete the rockbox.whatever file and .rockbox folder... most people don't remember to back things up first (well, at least I don't...)
22:13:50Mikachuthen i believe it looks right
22:14:14Mikachualthough i didn't try all modes
22:14:52LloreanTrueJournals: Well, people saying you need to delete anything to update Rockbox are wrong.
22:15:05Genre9mp3markun: hmm... the script produces .cfg files with fg/bgcolour on ALL targets... do you think it would be easy to do this only for colour targets?
22:15:27TrueJournalsGuess so...
22:15:39TrueJournalsI've always kind of thought that too...
22:16:03LloreanBut even then, just keep a copy of the fonts zip on your computer
22:16:21markunGenre9mp3: hm, didn't think of that. What happens if you include a setting that doesn't exist?
22:17:02Genre9mp3well, I believe it just ignores it so this is not an _actual_ problem...
22:17:38XavierGrwoa! that yellow-orange is way too bright for a WPS background!
22:17:38markunMikachu: if it looks right it's ok with me. People will report the bugs when they use the Theme.
22:17:38markunXavierGr: don't use it :)
22:17:41Mikachuyou don't have to worry about wasting space either, it's allocated in 4 or 32kB increments :)
22:17:43XavierGrof course
22:17:46XavierGrI am just saying
22:18:00markunI think it looks nice
22:18:19markunXavierGr: it's probably just you and your color-blindness :)
22:18:26Mikachuwouldn't it be good if a wps could set a linespacing?
22:18:31Mikachuthat way you could use smaller fonts too
22:18:42Mikachuat least more likely to work
22:19:23XavierGrmarkun: hehe maybe, actually the WPS isn't bad I just don't like the background colour too much
22:19:46markunXavierGr: I was a bit shocked too when I first saw it :)
22:19:59Genre9mp3markun: Is it easy to make distinguish colour targets?
22:20:09markunGenre9mp3: I don't know
22:20:26markunthis was just a quick copy paste
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22:21:00markunXavierGr: but I think it's a nicer first impression than the current default theme
22:21:08perl|perlthat yellow is really ok, it's just on gigabeat the whole thing looks a bit empty
22:21:34markunperl|perl: it's just an initial commit. He was alrady working on adding date-time
22:21:36Genre9mp3perl|perl: As I can see from the WPSLIST markun made it use nimbus-19
22:21:57markuntalk to you guys later! (movie)
22:21:57perl|perlnimbus looks very good on gigabeat as well
22:21:57Genre9mp3perl|perl: So I believe it won't be _that_ empty
22:22:30perl|perlGenre9mp3 yeah, author will bring date/time and next track info for future updates
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22:23:03*Genre9mp3 has to pack things... :/
22:23:36XavierGrI hate the military service
22:23:46XavierGrsame thing happened to slasheri :P
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22:26:02Nico_Pmarkun: on my gigabeat the progressbar isn't quite right
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22:26:36Nico_Pah crap hadn't seen the movie thing
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22:32:11perl|perlNico_P ill test in a few
22:32:42Nico_Pperl|perl: it seems to be one pixel too low
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22:45:40perldiverits taking a while now
22:45:58Nico_Pindeed :p
22:46:17Nico_Pwhat are you using to build
22:46:43TrueJournalsUse VMWare
22:46:47TrueJournalsMUCH FASTER
22:46:54perldivereverybody's keep telling me that
22:47:00TrueJournalslisten to them ;-)
22:47:04perldiveri just got used to cygwin hehe
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22:47:29Nico_Peven better : install linux :)
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22:55:51amiconnXavierGr: Which manufacturer do you mean?
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22:58:10Genre9mp3amiconn: I believe he meant the chip manufacturer
23:00:01amiconnNPC - nippon precision circuits.
23:00:22amiconnThat's the one for the newer Ondios
23:00:51amiconnThe older ones use a very different chip from Spiex, which will be very hard to find nowadays
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23:06:59perldiverok lets see
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23:09:32perldiveroh wow its all screwy for me
23:09:38perldiverno proper font loaded
23:09:54perldiverprogress bar is miles off from where it belongs
23:10:06fasmaieperldiver: ;)
23:10:22Genre9mp3perldiver: Gigabeat?
23:10:26fasmaieI've had that happen a couple of times
23:10:48perldiverGenre9mp3 yeah
23:10:55Genre9mp3you tested the new wps?
23:11:16Genre9mp3then you probably don't have nimbus-19 installed
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23:11:21fasmaieMakes life interesting −−−− trying to find the right menu item to change the wps
23:11:28perldiverGenre9mp3 i have them
23:11:47Genre9mp3nimbus-19 was added recently... are you sure you have it?
23:12:03TrueJournalsWhat do I need to install before I can run tools/
23:12:28BagderTrueJournals: gcc, make etc
23:12:31*Genre9mp3 shrughs
23:12:35perldiverlet me force it
23:12:58TrueJournalsBagder: I have gcc... I have make... what else do I need? running it is just failing.
23:13:04perldiver(it doesnt clear the old backdrop either on load)
23:13:05Bagderfailing how?
23:13:26TrueJournals"configure: error: C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check"
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23:13:56fasmaieTrueJournals: are you running it as root?
23:13:57perldiveryeah it has one extra pixel
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23:14:06TrueJournalsfasmaie, yes
23:14:07perldiverit looks fine with nibus yes
23:14:21perldiverbut, again, it wasnt loaded automatically
23:14:25BagderTrueJournals: that error seems to indicate that your compiler install is weird
23:14:41TrueJournalsgreat :rolleyes:
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23:15:06TrueJournalsBagder: Is there a specific version of gcc I should have?
23:15:11Nico_Pperldiver: when i load a theme in the gigabeat sim it doesn't change the font for me too
23:15:24Nico_Pbut on the real gigabeat it does
23:15:33perldiverim testing again
23:15:36linuxstb_TrueJournals: What OS are you using?
23:15:41BagderTrueJournals: nah, native you should be able to use just about any version
23:15:55TrueJournalsI'm using a type of debian
23:16:39TrueJournalsI realized just now that when I did apt-get install to install gcc... everything except for "libgtk2.0-bin" installed fine, could this be the problem?
23:16:57Bagderand you can build other things fine with gcc?
23:17:07TrueJournalsI don't really know... haven't used it...
23:17:27linuxstb_Did you do "apt-get update" before "apt-get install gcc" ?
23:17:54BagderTrueJournals: and what does 'gcc −−version' say?
23:18:06TrueJournalsgcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)
23:19:39perldiverNico_P noe
23:19:46perldiverdoesnt do it for me
23:19:48perldiverno matter what
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23:21:10BagderTrueJournals: very odd version, what debian is this? Does "/lib/cpp −−version" show the same gcc version?
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23:22:11TrueJournals /lib/cpp −−version shows the same as gcc −−version
23:22:24TrueJournalsThe debian is called "damnsmalllinux"
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23:23:52looperwhat video files work on ipod video using rockbox
23:23:59TrueJournals.mpg files
23:24:19linuxstb_looper: Read
23:24:42linuxstb_On the ipod video, you are better off sticking with Apple's firmware for video.
23:25:02looperhow do I switch back and forth between firmwares
23:25:54 Quit miepchen^schlaf ("Verlassend")
23:26:49looperthats what i was looking for thanks
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23:29:49DataGhostlinuxstb by the way
23:30:03DataGhostiPL isn't responding _at all_ to that changed value in the asm code
23:30:18DataGhostthe assembler does complain when I enter something 'bogus', though
23:30:28DataGhostand the code is executed (tested by executing something that would crash the OS)
23:30:35DataGhostit just doesn't listen :(
23:30:55DataGhosteven when I set it to (supposedly) 16MB it detects 32
23:31:32DataGhostso it's going to be a little bit harder for me :P
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23:33:42TrueJournalsah... got working by installing a different version of gcc (one made for damnsmalllinux)
23:36:42linuxstb_DataGhost: Are you sure the 32MB is "detected", and not just hard-coded somwhere?
23:36:55DataGhostnot sure at all
23:37:05DataGhostnot sure what to grep at.. so I'm stuck at reading the code
23:37:15DataGhostI guess grepping '32' wouldn't give me very useful results :P
23:38:06Bagderin linux, the memory size on arm is usually passed on using the cmdline
23:38:18DataGhostelse I would have known
23:38:26DataGhostI have also tried that before looking at the code at all
23:38:32DataGhostmem=64M crashes linux
23:39:29 Quit ender` (" I was reading the dictionary. I thought it was a poem about everything.")
23:40:02linuxstb_DataGhost: Is that after you've changed the memory remapping?
23:40:16DataGhostafter, before, doesn't matter
23:40:25DataGhostafaik I tried it after
23:40:30DataGhosthowever you made me doubt
23:40:43Bagderand you did try with something slightly less than 64 too I guess
23:41:12mirakmpeg playing works ?
23:41:14DataGhostI tried it with mem=32M@268435456, not really knowing what to enter for the last number
23:41:18*Bagder has no idea about how ipl does things, but works with arm linux fairly often
23:41:22DataGhostso I just entered the base address of the RAM
23:41:34DataGhosthaven't tried with mem=32M
23:42:22DataGhostteq ip, #32 * 1048576
23:42:25linuxstb_DataGhost: The base address is 0 after it's been remapped. I don't know when in the IPL startup process that happens, but I would guess very early.
23:42:37DataGhosthm, I should have guessed that
23:42:52DataGhostit happens right at the 'memory size detection' thingy
23:42:58DataGhostthat code is the very same in rockbox
23:43:07DataGhostonly the comments are different
23:43:22DataGhostlooking at the copyrights the asm is a 1:1 copy from iPL
23:44:17linuxstb_Yes, the crt0-pp.S file states it's based on IPL.
23:44:52DataGhostthat teq ip, #32 * 1048576 is for a different cpu :(
23:46:46DataGhostI actually took the time today to rebuild my linux partition
23:47:01DataGhostI finally got sick of the apple OS constantly hibernating over my stuff :(
23:49:41*Genre9mp3 waves to everyone and disconnects...
23:50:35DataGhostmem=32M works, mem=64M doesn't, trying mem=60M now
23:50:45 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.")
23:50:50DataGhostdoesn't work either
23:51:48DataGhostnot even mem=33M
23:53:05DataGhostseems that everything below 32 works
23:56:10pixelmahmm... I don't know if new plugin writers should be pointed to the button actions thing - it is rather hard to use actions there...
23:58:56pixelmaand IMO if all plugins would be moved to use this code - it will become messier than it is right now

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