| 00:00:12 | busa_blade | let me try that first then |
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| 00:01:10 | Genre9mp3 | x1jmp: I wouldn't have the patience for their price to drop dramatically... |
| 00:01:31 | Genre9mp3 | x1jmp: btw, I think that the biggest single platter disk atm is 50GB |
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| 00:01:59 | * | decayedcell finds it hard to use this Bookmarks thing |
| 00:02:13 | Genre9mp3 | x1jmp: Well, maybe 40GB.. the 50GB one is probably not available yet |
| 00:02:31 | Genre9mp3 | decayedcell: Why you say that? |
| 00:02:37 | decayedcell | so basically on the iPod I hold select, then choose Bookmarks, then Create Bookmark - but nothing happens? |
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| 00:03:01 | Genre9mp3 | decayedcell: no .bmark file? |
| 00:03:37 | decayedcell | Genre9mp3 well I assumed that something should happen like 'Bookmark Created' or something, but it doesn't seem to be the case because if I go to Recent Bookmarks theres nothing there |
| 00:03:42 | Genre9mp3 | btw, I think that bookmarks atm are broken (don't work unless music is topped) |
| 00:03:49 | x1jmp | Genre9mp3: there was once an announcement from a-data about small drives up to 128GB, but it seems to take a while until they're available and they likely won't be cheap... |
| 00:04:24 | Genre9mp3 | decayedcell: You have to enable a setting for the bookmarks to show up in the recent bookmarks |
| 00:05:07 | Genre9mp3 | x1jmp: 128GB in flash sounds like a big amount of money |
| 00:05:28 | decayedcell | solid state hard drives ftw :p |
| 00:05:37 | Genre9mp3 | decayedcell: Search for the .bmark file and try to load it |
| 00:05:38 | decayedcell | Genre9mp3 the music currently is stopped :p. Also, I think if theres only one entry in the Bookmarks submenu, it should just be renamed to Create Bookmark and make a Bookmark |
| 00:06:19 | decayedcell | Otherwise, you could have Previous Bookmark and Next Bookmark - that would be handy |
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| 00:06:59 | Genre9mp3 | you can have multiple bookmarks in a .bmark file |
| 00:07:25 | decayedcell | Rockbox keeps a list of these bookmarks though right? =/ |
| 00:07:58 | Genre9mp3 | stores them in .bmark files and keeps a recent bookmarks list if you enable that |
| 00:08:12 | * | decayedcell understands now |
| 00:09:09 | Hamilcar | Hi. I'm using an Ipod 5G with the skin Escapde Pod I can't get Album art to work, my files are properly named and sized |
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| 00:09:44 | Llorean | Hamilcar: Album Art isn't a supported feature. |
| 00:10:02 | Llorean | it's only available by way of a patch right now |
| 00:10:16 | saratoga | Llorean: really? what happened with that patch anyway? |
| 00:10:18 | Hamilcar | I know that, I thought I could ask for help here |
| 00:10:31 | Hamilcar | I have this patch |
| 00:11:01 | Hamilcar | It's just that pictures won't display, it strange because I was using another wcs before and it worked fine |
| 00:11:11 | amiconn | decayedcell: The list of recent bookmarks is optional, you need to enable that feature |
| 00:11:14 | Llorean | Hamilcar: Then maybe your current one is out of date. |
| 00:11:25 | Llorean | saratoga: The conditions haven't been right for its inclusion. |
| 00:11:33 | saratoga | whats it dependent on ? |
| 00:11:47 | amiconn | By default, rockbox creates a .bmark file in the track's folder |
| 00:11:59 | Llorean | saratoga: Well, there's lots of discussion around metadata-on-buffer |
| 00:12:13 | saratoga | i must have missed it |
| 00:12:18 | saratoga | whats the issue? |
| 00:12:18 | Hamilcar | using the senab build... |
| 00:12:29 | Hamilcar | so is there anything I can do ? |
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| 00:13:14 | Llorean | Hamilcar: Fix the WPS, probably. |
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| 00:13:24 | Llorean | Go read about the patch and make sure the WPS works with the most recent version. |
| 00:13:39 | Llorean | saratoga: That metadata on buffer hasn't been done yet? |
| 00:14:41 | saratoga | sorry, i mean what is metadata on buffer verses how rockbox handles metadata now? |
| 00:15:11 | Llorean | I'm really not sure about the technical aspects of it. |
| 00:15:30 | Bagder | currently rockbox handles metadata in a static array |
| 00:15:37 | Bagder | outside the buffer |
| 00:16:13 | Bagder | with album art and other things, that array will need to grow a lot to work with the new metadata |
| 00:16:40 | Bagder | ... but having the metadata embedded in the buffer would be a better approach, memory-wise |
| 00:17:11 | saratoga | oh makes sense |
| 00:17:32 | linuxstb_ | And would mean people can learn Norwegian. |
| 00:17:44 | Bagder | indeed, finally! |
| 00:19:15 | x1jmp | what's a ZIF relating to hard drives? |
| 00:19:27 | Llorean | x1jmp: Zero Insertion Force connector |
| 00:19:33 | Bagder | the connector |
| 00:19:49 | x1jmp | do they work with an h120? |
| 00:19:57 | Bagder | 1.8" disks come in at least two different connector flavours |
| 00:19:58 | Llorean | No |
| 00:20:29 | saratoga | Did we ever hear anything back from AMS? |
| 00:20:53 | Bagder | not really |
| 00:21:54 | x1jmp | I just want to be sure, can I use this drive as a replacement in my h120? http://cgi.ebay.de/20GB-Apple-iPod-Toshiba-Hard-Drive-Disk-mk2006gal-Used_W0QQitemZ250081727211QQihZ015QQcategoryZ48680QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem |
| 00:22:22 | saratoga | then i'll email that austrian fellow and ask him if where he left things with AMS |
| 00:22:58 | Bagder | saratoga: afaik, he still plans to visit them in Graz during february |
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| 00:23:53 | Genre9mp3 | x1jmp: I think you can |
| 00:24:30 | Bagder | time to sleep |
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| 00:27:29 | x1jmp | is there actually a great difference between those MK2004GAL and MK2006GAL models, or are the 2004 ones just older? |
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| 00:29:14 | Genre9mp3 | x1jmp: Don't know what's the difference... there's also a MK2008GAL |
| 00:29:47 | Domonoky | http://b23.org/~domonoky/rbutil.zip <- new rbutil, now also with H1x0 and H3x0 support, (H120 is tested, all other targets untested) |
| 00:30:10 | Genre9mp3 | x1jmp: you can check their specs at http://sdd.toshiba.com |
| 00:31:03 | x1jmp | Genre9mp3: I'm just doing that... the 2008 seems to have less spin up time |
| 00:31:21 | linuxstb_ | Power consumption is probably the most important thing to look at. |
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| 00:32:07 | linuxstb_ | Domonoky: Do you have a new patch? |
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| 00:35:19 | XavierGr | hcs: Why not commit it as is and then do the cleanup? The patch doesn't brake anything and works realtime for all targets that support it. |
| 00:35:24 | Domonoky | yes in preparation.. :-) |
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| 00:35:41 | XavierGr | hcs: That way more developers can work at it |
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| 00:46:00 | Domonoky | patch for rbUtil is in Flyspray.. |
| 00:47:42 | safetydan | XavierGr, hcs, and it's not like there's not flaky codecs already in svn |
| 00:47:44 | * | safetydan looks at speex |
| 00:48:43 | Genre9mp3 | speex runs unboosted on iPods? |
| 00:48:45 | Llorean | I'd like to see at least it stop reporting files as 'blues' |
| 00:51:36 | safetydan | Genre9mp3, no one's tested as far as I know. Probably though, as there are arm optimisations. |
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| 00:54:27 | Soap | every time some Rockbox developer gets the bright idea to support some new fancy codec I have to think long and hard about re/transcoding some part of my library. The nerve! ;) |
| 00:55:46 | linuxstb_ | Domonoky: Just trying your patch - fwpatcher doesn't compile in Linux... |
| 00:56:09 | Mouser_X | Soap: If it's SPC or NSF, then you're saving space by getting rid of the MP3s (or what have you) you transcoded them to. |
| 00:56:12 | scorche | Soap: you want to encode your music into speex? |
| 00:56:23 | Llorean | Soap: Wait until they get the kinks out of speex. I don't consider it reliable yet. |
| 00:56:32 | Soap | my audiobooks. |
| 00:56:36 | Domonoky | hm.. okey, so i have to make fwpatcher more portable.. |
| 00:56:45 | Soap | ^ @ sarcastic scorche |
| 00:57:00 | scorche | well, you never know... |
| 00:57:04 | safetydan | Llorean, the speex metadata reader uses the same code as the vorbis reader. So it should handle genre in the same way. |
| 00:57:19 | scorche | i am sure that there is someone, somewhere who has his music in speex |
| 00:57:34 | Llorean | safetydan: SPC does the genres wrong, not speex. |
| 00:57:47 | safetydan | Speex works fine in CBR. It's all you people and your fancy VBR files that break it :) |
| 00:57:50 | Llorean | safetydan: It doesn't report one I think, since Blues is apparently the default. |
| 00:58:03 | Llorean | Speex does not work fine in CBR. :-P |
| 00:58:10 | Domonoky | @ linuxstb, you need only iriver.c/h md5.c/h and the XXXsums.h files from fwpatcher |
| 00:58:20 | * | Llorean points to the two bug reports he filed on it. |
| 00:58:21 | Genre9mp3 | scorche: I doubt that |
| 00:58:23 | Llorean | It only works *mostly* fine. |
| 00:58:58 | safetydan | Llorean, where those cbr or vbr files? |
| 00:59:02 | Genre9mp3 | scorche: People who would do such a thing, don't even know what speex is |
| 00:59:21 | Llorean | safetydan: They were made without parameters. That's CBR, right? |
| 00:59:36 | scorche | Genre9mp3: then i will have to encode a few songs into speex to be the only one then |
| 00:59:39 | Llorean | They play mostly fine. |
| 00:59:41 | safetydan | Llorean, for the command line encoder I believe so |
| 00:59:49 | Llorean | There's just pops in them that there shouldn't be. |
| 00:59:55 | Llorean | And they playback slightly faster than realtime. |
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| 01:00:25 | Genre9mp3 | scorche: hehe... of course it doesn't count if you do that for testing purposes |
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| 01:12:36 | artillery2302 | is it common for say after you rockbox on then restore your ipod for when it syncs it goes cannot read or write to ipod after it does about 500 songs ? |
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| 01:14:23 | Llorean | artillery2302: No. |
| 01:14:29 | artillery2302 | cause its pissin me off |
| 01:14:38 | artillery2302 | that i cant sync my ipod |
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| 01:14:49 | artillery2302 | and wasnt sure if you guys new how to fix it |
| 01:15:03 | Llorean | USB mode really has nothing to do with Rockbox |
| 01:15:26 | artillery2302 | after i restore my ipod there should be nothing left of rockbox on there right |
| 01:15:36 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 01:16:00 | artillery2302 | so i wonder why when i try to sync it gets to 500 songs and says can no read or write from ipod |
| 01:16:11 | artillery2302 | so i will turn on manuel and i can just click and drop songs |
| 01:16:15 | Llorean | If you've restored it, then why are you asking here? |
| 01:16:27 | artillery2302 | cause you guys know alot about ipods |
| 01:16:34 | Llorean | This is #Rockbox, not #iPod. |
| 01:17:03 | artillery2302 | i wasnt sure if rockbox might of done something to the firmware but i guess not nevermind |
| 01:17:04 | artillery2302 | duece |
| 01:17:08 | Llorean | artillery2302: If all else fails, get the Experts at the Apple Store at Barton Creek to look at it, if it's still in warranty. |
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| 01:17:23 | artillery2302 | sorry what did you say |
| 01:17:27 | Llorean | artillery2302: If all else fails, get the Experts at the Apple Store at Barton Creek to look at it, if it's still in warranty. |
| 01:17:38 | Llorean | You're fortunate enough to live somewhere you can actually take it to an apple store and complain in person. |
| 01:17:56 | artillery2302 | woah do you live in austin |
| 01:17:59 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 01:18:06 | artillery2302 | oh sweet |
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| 01:18:18 | artillery2302 | off topic but do you like rock/electronica ? |
| 01:18:22 | linuxstb_ | Domonoky: I've got it compiling, and the ipod bootloader installation works fine under Linux. |
| 01:18:50 | Domonoky | nice.. |
| 01:18:53 | Llorean | artillery2302: Eh, 'salright. |
| 01:19:03 | Llorean | linuxstb_: RBUtil is coming along well? |
| 01:19:06 | artillery2302 | oh cause my band is playing at red 7 tonight |
| 01:19:15 | artillery2302 | on 7th street |
| 01:19:47 | linuxstb_ | Llorean: Yes, Domonoky's making good progress. |
| 01:19:50 | artillery2302 | if you get bored and want to leave the house come on by |
| 01:20:02 | Soap | artillery2302: offer him beer and he might come. |
| 01:20:10 | artillery2302 | haha |
| 01:20:18 | linuxstb_ | I'm currently waiting for wxwidgets to finish compiling on my iBook so I can try to build it for the Mac... |
| 01:20:20 | artillery2302 | the other night it was dollar lone stars all night |
| 01:20:26 | artillery2302 | thats pretty good |
| 01:20:33 | Llorean | Soap: Actually, I can't stand beer. |
| 01:20:37 | Soap | except for the fact it is lone star. |
| 01:20:37 | Llorean | Heh |
| 01:20:43 | artillery2302 | texas spirit |
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| 01:21:36 | artillery2302 | lonestar is better than nady light or keystone |
| 01:21:40 | artillery2302 | cheap ass college beer |
| 01:22:14 | artillery2302 | anyways thanks have a good night |
| 01:22:27 | artillery2302 | btw is there a #ipod channel? |
| 01:22:44 | scorche | /join #ipod and find out |
| 01:22:50 | artillery2302 | k theres not |
| 01:22:54 | artillery2302 | later |
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| 01:23:33 | scorche | Llorean: i used to be the same, but then i tried heifeweisen (i do not feel like bothering to look up the correct spelling) |
| 01:25:33 | pixelma | hehe Hefeweizen maybe? |
| 01:26:00 | scorche | well, as you are the one living in germany, possibly ;) |
| 01:26:35 | * | pixelma remember hearing american tourists speaking of it, too ;) |
| 01:27:01 | scorche | at least i pronounce it right |
| 01:27:49 | * | Genre9mp3 likes Warsteiner |
| 01:28:46 | saratoga | I prefer Tripels (sp?) |
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| 01:33:46 | safetydan | Can Tremor use libogg for parsing ogg streams? |
| 01:35:23 | markun | safetydan: I believe the implementation is close to what they wanted to do with libogg2, you cannot easily change it. |
| 01:35:37 | markun | I think it would be better to change speex to use the Tremor implementation |
| 01:37:11 | safetydan | Probably. I'm just not sure how to go about that. |
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| 01:38:57 | linuxstb_ | safetydan: Also, it would be nice to merge the get_speex_metadata() and get_vorbis_metadata() functions in apps/metadata.c - I'm not sure why speex-in-ogg needs a different metadata parser to vorbis-in-ogg |
| 01:39:34 | safetydan | linuxstb, I believe get_vorbis_metadata calls get_speex_metadata if it see a Ogg/Speex stream |
| 01:39:38 | safetydan | so at least that much is done |
| 01:40:43 | linuxstb_ | Yes, I saw that. But the functions are still almost identical. |
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| 01:41:31 | safetydan | linuxstb, well I'll look at merging them, as it's probably an easier place to start than trying to get speex to use tremor's ogg parser |
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| 02:51:04 | decayedcell | Soul-Slayer I suppose until the bugs are sorted out, namely the recording screen freeze |
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| 02:59:10 | spiral | hi ...is it still possible to flash rockbox in the rom of my newly purchased rec v1 because all guides seems to be outdated ...i actually don't know which howto to follow...:-/ |
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| 03:02:58 | JdGordon | flash as in rombox? or bootbox? |
| 03:05:25 | spiral | hmm don't know ...i mean the flashing rockbox wiki sends me to bootbox and the bootbox wiki to flashing rockbox |
| 03:06:02 | spiral | as far as i understand i have to flash bootbox into rom |
| 03:08:14 | JdGordon | have you got rockbox installed at all? or its new and you want to flash it so you can get rockbox going? |
| 03:09:04 | spiral | i have installed rockbox with the installer and it is working fine |
| 03:09:52 | JdGordon | ok, then I think your asking about rombox.. it doesnt compile anymore so dont worry about it |
| 03:10:08 | spiral | so this means? |
| 03:10:08 | JdGordon | scorche will be able to help you more than me |
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| 03:14:13 | spiral | the boot time is a little bit long so i thought i can fasten it up a little |
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| 05:13:13 | JdGordon | anyone know how to get around the vorbis codec not compiling in the sim now? |
| 05:13:38 | JdGordon | ... or why it fails here b ut builds fine in the table? |
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| 05:20:47 | Davide-NYC | Hello all |
| 05:21:01 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: can I simply record an hour of FM and listen back for skips? |
| 05:21:21 | Davide-NYC | (for testing a custom build he sent me for testing) |
| 05:21:28 | jhMikeS | Davide-NYC: I think so, it should get through that np |
| 05:21:43 | Davide-NYC | what would be a conclusive test in your opinion? |
| 05:22:03 | jhMikeS | Petur gets through a taping with no glitches :) |
| 05:22:41 | jhMikeS | but, you know...the more is done, the better for sure |
| 05:22:42 | Davide-NYC | (sorry if this was covered before) If present, these glitches are clearly audible? |
| 05:22:53 | jhMikeS | yes, quite |
| 05:23:12 | Davide-NYC | AFAIK I have never experienced this before |
| 05:23:17 | Davide-NYC | but will test. |
| 05:23:52 | Davide-NYC | I'm going to record 4-5 hours of FM to MP3 and listen back at the office tomorrow. |
| 05:23:55 | jhMikeS | I really think loud sound can bungle up the hd (can't think of a better explanation) |
| 05:24:16 | Davide-NYC | you mean physically vibrating the platters? |
| 05:24:33 | Davide-NYC | not high values being written |
| 05:24:40 | jhMikeS | yes, and heads, though I did stress test pretty bad and increased the tolerance abou t10x |
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| 05:25:26 | Davide-NYC | nothing can be done about user abuse ;-) |
| 05:26:02 | jhMikeS | I don't know...it can be made to withstand more. Plus I put a buffer view in to look myself and have other ideas |
| 05:26:51 | jhMikeS | I really think the codec just wasn't able to run enough when things got bad so pcm overflowed. |
| 05:27:21 | Davide-NYC | makes sense. the debug screen sounds cool. Any real CPU hit to displaying stuff in real time? |
| 05:27:55 | jhMikeS | not really, probably less than the recording screen itself |
| 05:29:57 | jhMikeS | I'm waiting for word...don't know how long I'm going before I know the result of this past day |
| 05:30:16 | jhMikeS | long it's going to be even |
| 05:31:33 | Davide-NYC | "waiting for word"? |
| 05:31:45 | Davide-NYC | you mean results from petur? |
| 05:31:48 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 05:31:50 | Davide-NYC | LOL |
| 05:32:05 | Davide-NYC | question: would this be easy to implement? |
| 05:32:07 | Davide-NYC | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2513.msg52111;topicseen#msg52111 |
| 05:32:12 | jhMikeS | He loves to abuse it so I guess it'll be better for it |
| 05:32:44 | Davide-NYC | I think a big icon on the right to undicate recording status would be good for us "older" folks. |
| 05:32:49 | Davide-NYC | *indicate |
| 05:32:53 | safetydan | JdGordon, under Cygwin? |
| 05:34:24 | jhMikeS | pngs? where pngs? |
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| 05:36:26 | JdGordon | safetydan: no, debian |
| 05:36:46 | jhMikeS | hmmm...changing those screens around kinda sucks. if the display were separated from function...then much easier. adding a debug screen would need that anyhow |
| 05:37:24 | Davide-NYC | IT was an idea I had back in '06 that I thought was cool. I bought a C book and tried when I had time but failed myserably. |
| 05:37:25 | * | jhMikeS is just glad his spc codec is faster than anyone else's |
| 05:37:46 | Davide-NYC | SPC? |
| 05:37:49 | jhMikeS | but it's not my place to intrude on other's work |
| 05:38:06 | jhMikeS | The NES sound files |
| 05:38:40 | * | Davide-NYC wonders whay anyone cares about NES sound files |
| 05:38:55 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
| 05:38:57 | jhMikeS | I love synthesizers and emulators like that |
| 05:39:45 | Davide-NYC | recording french news. brings back memories of high school and am surprised at how much I comprehend! |
| 05:40:22 | jhMikeS | Where are you? |
| 05:40:47 | Davide-NYC | NYC |
| 05:40:56 | Davide-NYC | that's why NYC is awesome |
| 05:41:01 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
| 05:41:11 | jhMikeS | hmmm...and recording French news... |
| 05:41:45 | Davide-NYC | The west african music programs are to die for. |
| 05:42:30 | jhMikeS | to die for? I'm worried I only have until Petur listens to his taping...don't wanna think about death ;) |
| 05:43:58 | Davide-NYC | LOL! |
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| 05:53:39 | Davide-NYC | gg ttyl |
| 05:53:44 | Davide-NYC | night! |
| 05:53:44 | jhMikeS | later |
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| 06:03:12 | safetydan | JdGordon, odd, it builds fine for me on by Ubuntu box |
| 06:04:00 | JdGordon | CC codec_crt0.c |
| 06:04:01 | JdGordon | LD vorbis.codec |
| 06:04:01 | JdGordon | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lspeex |
| 06:04:01 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK JdGordon |
| 06:04:01 | JdGordon | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 06:04:01 | JdGordon | make[2]: *** [/home/jonno/rockbox/start_screen/rockbox/h300-sim/apps/codecs/vorbis.codec] Error 1 |
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| 06:04:01 | JdGordon | rm /home/jonno/rockbox/start_screen/rockbox/h300-sim/apps/codecs/codec_crt0.o |
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| 06:04:03 | JdGordon | make[1]: *** [build-codecs] Error 2 |
| 06:04:05 | JdGordon | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 06:04:25 | JdGordon | im pretty sure i did a full svn up... ill doubkle check that tho |
| 06:05:01 | safetydan | JdGordon, ah, try a make clean first |
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| 06:05:28 | safetydan | and possibly a reconfigure |
| 06:05:46 | jdong | ever since the new iPod USB commit, I haven't been able to inhibit USB disk mode with MENU reliably on my 5G Video |
| 06:06:08 | jdong | like it would inhibit Disk Mode until I let go of the MENU button, at which time it shows a USB logo and reboots |
| 06:06:46 | jdong | this happened starting from the commit that introduced data vs power-only USB connection for the iPod |
| 06:07:42 | JdGordon | ah, cheers safetydan :) |
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| 06:31:23 | JdGordon | look what you did decayedcell_! |
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| 06:32:25 | decayedcell_ | um did I netsplit er |
| 06:32:29 | decayedcell_ | what just happened then? ChanServ just messaged me |
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| 06:32:35 | JdGordon | yeah, netsplit |
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| 06:32:48 | decayedcell_ | thats one hell of a netsplit |
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| 06:35:31 | JdGordon | new root menu patch is online btw |
| 06:36:14 | decayedcell_ | yeah Opera notified me |
| 06:38:30 | decayedcell_ | I don't get this bit - the now playing item changes its name to resume playback if nothing is playing :) |
| 06:38:52 | decayedcell_ | If theres nothing playing, the Now Playing shouldn't be there, because Resume Playback implies that there is something playing |
| 06:39:14 | xfrcv | anyone know where i can get a new iriver h340 for cheap? |
| 06:40:52 | JdGordon | decayedcell_: nop :D |
| 06:40:59 | JdGordon | xfrcv: ebay :p |
| 06:41:14 | xfrcv | other than ebay? :) |
| 06:42:36 | xfrcv | i just want an 80 gig player that supports rockbox. :\ |
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| 06:44:03 | xfrcv | does anything like that exist? |
| 06:44:24 | decayedcell_ | I'm pretty sure Resume Playback means theres something playing, i.e. you can't resume the playback of a song if theres nothing that is currently being played back. If it was paused however, then Resume Playback would make sense |
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| 06:45:12 | webguest05 | how do you uninstall rockbox the manual wont load for me? |
| 06:45:42 | webguest05 | ipod video 5 gen |
| 06:46:01 | decayedcell_ | ipodpatcher -d |
| 06:46:09 | decayedcell_ | then delete .rockbox folder and rockbox.ipod |
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| 06:56:05 | Mouser_X | * jhMikeS is just glad his spc codec is faster than anyone else's |
| 06:56:08 | Mouser_X | <Davide-NYC> SPC? |
| 06:56:11 | Mouser_X | <jhMikeS> The NES sound files |
| 06:56:13 | Mouser_X | Don't you mean SNES sound files? Also, what SPC player did you write? Just curious which one is yours. |
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| 06:57:08 | Mouser_X | The SPC player that HCS is basing his Rockbox codec on is Blargg's Game_Music_Emulator (or something like that). |
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| 07:01:09 | jhMikeS | Mouser_X: I guess SNES is more accurate :) It's not mine, I'm just messing around with the one in the tracker. |
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| 07:01:58 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
| 07:02:08 | Mouser_X | Sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying. |
| 07:02:31 | Couchdweller | Who here has the rockbox on their ipod nano? |
| 07:02:39 | Mouser_X | NSF is for NES, just so you know (in case you didn't). |
| 07:03:07 | * | Mouser_X has no iPod, let alone a Nano, or Rockbox on it... |
| 07:03:16 | Couchdweller | lol |
| 07:03:37 | jhMikeS | No, didn't know. :) just figuring out how it works and coding some ColdFire assembly in there. |
| 07:03:47 | Mouser_X | It might be better to simply ask your question, and see if anyone can answer it. |
| 07:04:00 | Mouser_X | @ Couchdweller ^ |
| 07:04:30 | Couchdweller | im thinkin about installing this on my nano, but how's the battery life? anyone here have personal experience with rockbox on the nano who can let me in on this? |
| 07:06:03 | Mouser_X | jhMikeS: SPCs are for the SNES. They're 65 KB each (or, close enough). NSFs are for the NES. They're sometimes larger than 65 KB, but often smaller. The NSF codec is already accepted into the SVN. The SPC codec isn't yet. HCS (who is porting the code to Rockbox) is waiting to clean up the code, and stuff like that before it's accepted. |
| 07:06:56 | Mouser_X | Couchdweller: What I've heard (in terms of battery life) is that using Rockbox will decrease your battery life by 40-50%. However, that's on the iPod 30 GB. |
| 07:07:05 | Mouser_X | For the Nano, I don't know. |
| 07:07:08 | Couchdweller | O_o |
| 07:07:31 | Mouser_X | Also, those are rough numbers. |
| 07:07:44 | Couchdweller | i realize that |
| 07:07:53 | Couchdweller | : | a little disoncerting though |
| 07:07:55 | Mouser_X | Rockbox needs some work to utilize power better on the iPod. |
| 07:08:02 | Mouser_X | Indeed. |
| 07:08:10 | Mouser_X | It's one of the reasons I didn't buy an iPod. |
| 07:08:19 | * | Mouser_X has a Gigabeat. |
| 07:08:31 | Couchdweller | :( maybe i should have gotten that |
| 07:08:35 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 07:08:39 | Couchdweller | lol |
| 07:08:53 | Mouser_X | I usually get 12-15 hours of battery life with it. |
| 07:09:16 | Couchdweller | cool |
| 07:09:17 | Mouser_X | Never used the default firmware though. I bought the Gigabeat so that I could use Rockbox, you could say. |
| 07:09:26 | Couchdweller | lol |
| 07:09:36 | jhMikeS | Mouser_X: It is pretty CPU intense but I cut that down a good bit with just a little work and it can play some stuff it couldn't before. Just trying to learn something really. |
| 07:10:01 | Mouser_X | jhMikeS: That's cool. |
| 07:10:07 | Mouser_X | Glad for the help, personally. |
| 07:10:13 | Mouser_X | I want to see it in the SVN. |
| 07:10:39 | Mouser_X | And you're right. It is CPU intensive. I tried to run Plasma while listening to SPCs... |
| 07:10:44 | Mouser_X | It was very sluggish... |
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| 07:10:58 | Mouser_X | That's on the Gigabeat even... |
| 07:10:59 | jhMikeS | It's not really my project though. If they want the changes, I'll be glad to provide them. |
| 07:11:14 | Mouser_X | Are they on the flyspray? |
| 07:11:18 | jhMikeS | Yes |
| 07:11:22 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
| 07:11:37 | jhMikeS | not my changes if that what you meant :) |
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| 07:12:04 | Mouser_X | Is this you?: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/user/1582 |
| 07:12:13 | Mouser_X | I assume yes. |
| 07:12:45 | Mouser_X | I'm sure HCS would appreciate any help you can provide. Whether it be coding, testing, optimizing, anything. |
| 07:13:20 | Mouser_X | He's pretty neat that way. |
| 07:13:33 | jhMikeS | no |
| 07:13:36 | Mouser_X | (HCS = Adam Gashlin) |
| 07:13:38 | jhMikeS | 1582? |
| 07:14:00 | Mouser_X | Flyspray task #= 6542 |
| 07:14:19 | Mouser_X | User "Michael Sevakis (MikeS)" = 1582 |
| 07:14:57 | jhMikeS | that's me. I synced it to a small change so noone had any trouble compiling it. That's all. |
| 07:15:33 | Mouser_X | Ah. Well, I was just checking to see if you were there (I thought you were, but I couldn't remember). |
| 07:15:46 | Mouser_X | Like I said, post what you have. I'm sure HCS would like to see it. |
| 07:15:50 | jhMikeS | I broke it a couple days ago with a DSP update, so I figured I'd just head off problems. |
| 07:16:34 | Mouser_X | Well, it can't hurt to post anything you think would be useful. If it's not useful, HCS can leave it alone. |
| 07:16:54 | jhMikeS | I'll do that. I'm not really ready. I just replaced the interpolator with asm and got rid of the "this" stuff. |
| 07:17:05 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
| 07:17:26 | jhMikeS | Some basic obvious things to start out |
| 07:17:38 | Mouser_X | I can definatly see how that'd help though. The interpolator improves sound a lot, but it can be heavy on CPU usage. |
| 07:18:00 | Mouser_X | If you're not ready, then that's okay too. I hadn't considered that one. |
| 07:18:07 | Mouser_X | Good luck on it then. |
| 07:18:12 | jhMikeS | thanks |
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| 07:19:33 | Mouser_X | So, you listen to SPCs much? |
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| 07:19:58 | Mouser_X | (That's what I've been listening to for about the last 2 days...) |
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| 07:20:33 | juano__ | hello everyone, how can i make my motorola rokr with iTunes sync with Ubuntu ? has anyone made an ipod sync with iTunes under Linux ? |
| 07:20:52 | Mouser_X | I think you may be in the wrong channel. |
| 07:20:57 | Mouser_X | This is #rockbox |
| 07:21:10 | juano__ | yep, i know, they gave me these channels |
| 07:21:21 | juano__ | Mouser_X: any suggestions ? |
| 07:22:00 | jhMikeS | Mouser_X: ummm...not till today :) |
| 07:22:27 | Mouser_X | Well, this channel deals with Rockbox. I could be mistaken, but I don't see how your question relates to Rockbox. I'm pointing this out, because it's why I wouldn't be able to answer such a question. |
| 07:22:51 | Mouser_X | Default iPod firmware != Rockbox. |
| 07:23:04 | juano__ | Mouser_X: ok, can you point out a channel ? |
| 07:23:26 | Mouser_X | No, I can't. Sorry. I don't have an iPod, so I don't pay attention to that stuff. |
| 07:23:36 | Mouser_X | If I could, I would help. |
| 07:23:36 | juano__ | Mouser_X: lol, ok cheers |
| 07:23:44 | juano__ | Mouser_X: k thanks |
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| 07:24:06 | Mouser_X | I hope that wasn't rude... |
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| 07:35:09 | voltagex | hi, will the Cuesheet support be committed to SVN? |
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| 07:35:59 | JdGordon | eventually |
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| 07:42:40 | voltagex | seems stable to me |
| 07:42:49 | voltagex | on H340 at leas |
| 07:42:49 | voltagex | t |
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| 08:10:00 | JdGordon | voltagex: the reason its not being commited is because the way its done isnt really nice.... we know how it could be done better (same as album art), but noone knows the best way to do it : |
| 08:10:02 | JdGordon | :p |
| 08:14:02 | voltagex | true |
| 08:14:06 | amiconn | Hmm, something is wrong with the website... |
| 08:14:27 | amiconn | Frontpage works, but try e.g. viewvc links |
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| 08:16:45 | perl|perl | cue sheet support would be nice |
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| 08:18:37 | Hsystem | Hi, anyone notice that rockbox ipodpatcher and fonts are down? |
| 08:18:47 | Hsystem | noticed* |
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| 08:22:54 | Hsystem | hello ? |
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| 08:32:24 | JdGordon | anyone know how to remove a file in svn? |
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| 08:33:26 | JdGordon | svn remove.... shoulda guessed that :p |
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| 08:34:08 | JdGordon | build.rockbox.org is down :'( |
| 08:34:27 | Hsystem | :S you are right. |
| 08:34:38 | Hsystem | :'( |
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| 08:35:51 | klaxian | are you guys having trouble getting to build.rockbox.org? |
| 08:36:02 | Hsystem | yes. |
| 08:36:25 | klaxian | alrighty, so it's not just me :) |
| 08:36:33 | JdGordon | i hope its not major issues... |
| 08:36:44 | klaxian | me too |
| 08:36:48 | klaxian | how long has it been down? |
| 08:37:02 | JdGordon | its unlikly that it will be fixed in the next few hours... 8.30am in sweden |
| 08:37:07 | JdGordon | dunno.. a while already |
| 08:37:08 | Hsystem | i need the damn fonts. Also the ipod patcher, and the boot for 5g video, and the damn server is down. |
| 08:37:19 | JdGordon | download.rockbox is down also? |
| 08:37:32 | JdGordon | hmm.... damn |
| 08:37:44 | JdGordon | if you ask really nicely ill do a fontz zip for you |
| 08:37:51 | amiconn | download and build are actually the same server afaik |
| 08:38:06 | JdGordon | ah, morning amiconn :) |
| 08:38:32 | Hsystem | 3:38 AM :'( |
| 08:38:34 | Hsystem | jajajajaja |
| 08:38:39 | amiconn | Bagder: ping... |
| 08:39:17 | JdGordon | Hsystem: http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/rockbox-fonts.zip |
| 08:39:43 | Hsystem | thanks. |
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| 08:46:00 | JdGordon | did apache die on that server or something? svn.rockbox is unable to connect, but the svn commit went through? |
| 08:46:40 | JdGordon | yeah, hehe odd.... the comp is definatly still up... stupid apache :p |
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| 08:48:36 | perl|perl | yay new menu updates |
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| 08:51:03 | Hsystem | .... |
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| 08:51:56 | amiconn | JdGordon: The build also ran, just we can't see the resulting build table :/ |
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| 08:52:43 | amiconn | Looks indeed like only apache has a problem |
| 08:55:50 | JdGordon | so we just wait patiently for someone to kick the box |
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| 09:07:38 | Lear | Build/svn server seems to be down. At least the parts for HTTP access... |
| 09:07:58 | Lear | svn commands themselves work though. |
| 09:09:55 | JdGordon | we know... |
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| 09:14:21 | amiconn | Lear: Seems apache is crashed |
| 09:14:30 | Lear | Ah. |
| 09:14:40 | amiconn | svnserve and the distributed build system are still working |
| 09:14:58 | amiconn | So commits are built, just we cannot see the result :/ |
| 09:15:24 | amiconn | Interesting... an AJB6000 user on the ml :) |
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| 09:24:17 | hcs | jhMikeS: in case Mouser wasn't clear enough, yes, I'd love any improvements you can provide. the "this" stuff was largely for ARM, gcc seems to be doing a lousy job with global variables. |
| 09:24:20 | daurnimator | JdGordon: hi |
| 09:29:31 | jhMikeS | hcs: sure. that would be cool. I got lots of ideas but still have to reality check them. What was the problem with ARM? |
| 09:30:54 | hcs | jhMikeS: there were two memory accesses for the loads of global variables, one to load the address from some table and the other to actually do the load |
| 09:33:19 | jhMikeS | I see...hmmm. I suppose it could be handled both ways. It seemed to be bad on a ColdFire. I'll keep an eye on gcc disassemblies. Seems like you have to. |
| 09:33:50 | JdGordon | daurnimator: hey, wassup? |
| 09:34:03 | hcs | jhMikeS: it was blargg who noticed it, I don't know ARM or coldfire asm |
| 09:34:03 | daurnimator | broke my ankle! |
| 09:34:13 | JdGordon | congrats :p |
| 09:37:26 | jhMikeS | I don't know if I'll get the full gaussian interpolation going but the echo can't be left out. emac should be good for it. |
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| 09:42:04 | hcs | jhMikeS: emac is a multiply-accumulate? |
| 09:44:03 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 09:44:45 | hcs | blargg had some faster echo and gaussian code that I hadn't gotten around to making a patch for yet |
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| 09:46:11 | jhMikeS | well, if blargg has it done already I wouldn't mind seeing |
| 09:46:27 | hcs | hcs64.com/rockbox/blargg_spc4.tgz |
| 09:47:30 | hcs | I was planning on doing some tests yesterday but I wasn't up to it. |
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| 09:52:45 | jhMikeS | For coldfire that's perfect emac material |
| 09:55:58 | hcs | but gcc can't figure that out? |
| 09:56:25 | amiconn | gcc doesn't know about coldfire mac/emac |
| 09:56:45 | hcs | is there an equivalent for arm that I should be looking into? |
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| 10:02:29 | * | amiconn just had a crazy idea... |
| 10:02:33 | jhMikeS | I personally don't know since I don't have an arm player. Afaik many have arm opcodes but I don't know the variants. |
| 10:02:59 | amiconn | Not sure how crazy this is; afaik flac doesn't need large tables in the decoder? |
| 10:03:01 | * | jhMikeS likes crazy ideas :) |
| 10:03:25 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: hmm... you want flac on Archos??? |
| 10:03:26 | amiconn | If so, it might be possible to figure out how to do flac in the mas core |
| 10:03:37 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
| 10:03:39 | jhMikeS | heh |
| 10:03:55 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: I was thinking about that earlier, and with heavy optimisation it might even be possible on the sh |
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| 10:04:18 | amiconn | But the mas has more power, and we have the pcm codec for an example |
| 10:04:18 | Genre9mp3 | Isn't wav a priority? |
| 10:04:46 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: Wav is already possible, the "only" thing missing is playback engine integration |
| 10:05:04 | Genre9mp3 | well yes, properly implemented wav I meant |
| 10:05:59 | amiconn | Herewith I am suggesting playback engine work as a main theme for the devcon |
| 10:06:59 | amiconn | This somewhat mysterious part of rockbox should be taken apart, checked and modularised, and then be used for all targets |
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| 10:08:22 | amiconn | When that's done, we'll have wav/aiff on archos, and metadata handling can be centralised at app level |
| 10:10:16 | * | Bagder poked the server with a long stick |
| 10:10:31 | Bagder | very long |
| 10:10:35 | amiconn | Seems it was long enough ;) |
| 10:12:03 | jhMikeS | yes, good ol myterious playback where the last step of any change is to figure out how voice got messed up |
| 10:13:14 | amiconn | Yes, and where boost count == 1 after boot comes from :\ |
| 10:14:14 | amiconn | JdGordon: Is your commit supposed to fix last.fm on archos? |
| 10:18:02 | * | jhMikeS recalls tracking that to an automatic boost that was never unboosted, hence the scheduler forgot about it |
| 10:18:37 | amiconn | The problem still exists |
| 10:19:04 | amiconn | Afaik it happens as soon as a voice file is present, regardless whether voice is enabled or not |
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| 10:23:07 | JdGordon | amiconn: no.. it only made it use ata_idle_notify |
| 10:23:19 | jhMikeS | Well, I've found at least lately that it actually depends on whether or not voice is turned on. I have a voice file present but no voice on and I don't get it. |
| 10:24:25 | amiconn | Strange... I get the effect every time, even with voice disabled |
| 10:24:33 | * | Slasheri is thinking about the dynamic playback buffering system, so that tracks could be removed from the middle of buffer for example and other nice tricks |
| 10:24:35 | amiconn | I do have voice files on all my targets |
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| 10:25:35 | JdGordon | Can we make proper metadata on buffer a feature for the revamped playback engine from the get-go so it doesnt need to be hacked in after? |
| 10:26:09 | Slasheri | everything is possible |
| 10:28:36 | Lear | That should include arbitrary metadata, so that get_metadata can write stuff for the codec to use. |
| 10:29:17 | jhMikeS | Still would need an off-buffer buffer for _at least_ once track since it will obliterated when the buffer wraps on a big file. |
| 10:29:52 | Lear | Unless the metadata is copied... |
| 10:31:28 | amiconn | I think we need one (optionally two, if we want next-track data always available), where the data is copied as soon as the track starts |
| 10:32:10 | amiconn | The optional part should depend on the ram size. On archos and iFP we can do without always available next track data in order to save some ram and code |
| 10:37:50 | JdGordon | whats everyones opinion of http://web.telia.com/~u16106552/menusettingsmultiline.png ? would it be accepted once the menu conversion is finished? I want to bride the guy who did the patch to help finish the conversion :D |
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| 10:40:10 | jhMikeS | That's more what I'd like to see actually but with a clearer association of the names with the values |
| 10:40:40 | amiconn | ugly... |
| 10:40:44 | jhMikeS | petur: hello. good news or bad... |
| 10:40:54 | amiconn | It wastes a huge amount of space |
| 10:41:01 | petur | so far, good (just started listening) |
| 10:41:05 | JdGordon | amiconn: of course it would be optional |
| 10:41:26 | * | jhMikeS puts on the running shoes |
| 10:41:46 | amiconn | I think that for small screens it's better to have the actual settings on a separate page |
| 10:42:12 | JdGordon | of course... but that would be great on the large screen targets |
| 10:42:20 | amiconn | And small means anything lower than the H300 resolution here |
| 10:42:24 | Bagder | I like the improved screen estate use |
| 10:42:35 | amiconn | Bagder: ?? |
| 10:42:44 | amiconn | Every second line is effectively empty... |
| 10:42:57 | Bagder | well, that could very well be on the same line |
| 10:43:06 | JdGordon | not easily... but it could |
| 10:43:09 | Bagder | the point being that the values for the setting would be in the same screen |
| 10:43:13 | Bagder | JdGordon: easily |
| 10:43:16 | amiconn | The trigger screen already does. |
| 10:43:18 | Bagder | but perhaps not with the current code |
| 10:43:48 | JdGordon | his implementation I imagine is horrible :) but once the menus are finished this will be rediculously simple to implement |
| 10:43:54 | amiconn | Did you check how the trigger screen looks on archos? *very* ugly imho... |
| 10:43:57 | jhMikeS | The setting could be on the same line and the text scroll |
| 10:44:04 | Bagder | JdGordon: for you, yes, but not for anyone else... :-/ |
| 10:44:12 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Yes, with viewports :/ |
| 10:44:14 | JdGordon | relax :) |
| 10:44:16 | * | Bagder is grumpy |
| 10:44:18 | JdGordon | its simple |
| 10:45:03 | amiconn | JdGordon: I agree with Bagder that your hide-away macros don't simplify anything. |
| 10:45:18 | jhMikeS | Scrollers clip already. They could just be clipped a little farther left really. |
| 10:45:24 | amiconn | The worst one is GS() as it does effectively nothing but hide |
| 10:45:32 | Bagder | I claim the macros make it easier for JdGordon and harder for everyone else |
| 10:46:13 | Bagder | especially in the future, when nobody is around anymore to understand the origins or how it was meant to work |
| 10:46:30 | Bagder | I see this kind of stuff at work all the time |
| 10:47:44 | jhMikeS | lots of comments? though I didn't find it too bad to figure out and then add my own setting type to it. |
| 10:48:15 | * | JdGordon isnt planning on running away any time soon... so dw :) |
| 10:48:28 | Mikachu | you don't have to plan it |
| 10:48:57 | Bagder | it is not that common that people do major changes and _plan_ to run away ;-) |
| 10:49:15 | Bagder | but look at a simple little project such as this |
| 10:49:30 | Bagder | looots of people once involved are never around anymore |
| 10:49:37 | Bagder | people come and go |
| 10:50:18 | JdGordon | hmmm... actually looking at the code for that patch, he uses worse macros than me :D |
| 10:51:16 | JdGordon | We need a proper code documentation project... and any modules which noone understands shuold be flagged for redonig or something... |
| 10:51:40 | jhMikeS | I do seem to recall the parameter names being a bit cryptic. No reason to use shorten names inside the macro. |
| 10:52:21 | Bagder | code documentation is very hard to keep up to date in open source |
| 10:52:29 | Bagder | writing clear and commented code is much better |
| 10:52:56 | Bagder | although of course not easy either |
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| 10:54:41 | JdGordon | I love the comment in the code somewhere that says "I didnt comment becuase if you dont follow it you should figure it out yourself" although, I think thats origionally from elsewhere |
| 10:54:54 | jhMikeS | it's really bad if it's your own stuff and can't figure it out years later :) |
| 10:55:19 | Mikachu | usually 3 weeks is enough |
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| 10:55:56 | jhMikeS | 3 weeks? |
| 10:56:09 | * | petur has such a bad memory that one week is enough :/ |
| 10:56:26 | Mikachu | jhMikeS: to not be able to figure out your own code |
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| 10:57:00 | Vague_Rant | Hey guys. |
| 10:57:16 | * | Bagder re-heys |
| 10:57:24 | * | Mikachu herreys |
| 10:57:27 | Vague_Rant | I was about to update my (brother's) H340 to the latest experimental build, and it said I may need to erase my (his) settings. |
| 10:57:48 | Vague_Rant | Is there an easy way to do this, and is it necessary to do it before I update, or will it make no difference? |
| 10:57:49 | petur | you must |
| 10:57:57 | jhMikeS | can't say I've experienced that...anything in rb I've done and come back to months later is still clear to me |
| 10:58:20 | Mikachu | then you're writing good code |
| 10:58:26 | petur | Vague_Rant: hold REC while RB boots (after the bootloader) |
| 10:58:56 | petur | the experimental builds sometimes have modified settings, so it's best to reset them |
| 10:59:06 | petur | but maybe export them first ;) |
| 10:59:41 | Mikachu | does this apply with the .cfg saving? |
| 10:59:45 | * | petur wonders if this still holds true for the new settings system |
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| 11:00:14 | petur | bah, probably not |
| 11:00:42 | petur | settings are named now so it shouldn't be a problem anymore |
| 11:00:52 | Vague_Rant | So ... apologies for yet another dumb question, is there an easy way to export settings? They're in a plaintext file somewhere, right? |
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| 11:01:04 | Vague_Rant | I haven't fooled with his player in ages. |
| 11:01:31 | petur | Vague_Rant: manage settings (in the menu) |
| 11:02:55 | * | jhMikeS wonders how much time is left in the screening |
| 11:03:42 | Vague_Rant | Hmm. So in theory I just hold Navi to get to the menu, right? |
| 11:03:49 | Vague_Rant | 'Cause there's no "manage settings" in the menu. |
| 11:04:05 | petur | Vague_Rant: press A-B for menu |
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| 11:07:49 | jhMikeS | petur: so far so good or no? |
| 11:07:56 | petur | yup |
| 11:08:07 | jhMikeS | how far into it? |
| 11:08:17 | petur | must say this isn't a very rocky concert so not much vibrations |
| 11:08:31 | petur | 45 minutes so far |
| 11:08:38 | petur | so looking very ok |
| 11:08:40 | petur | :) |
| 11:08:56 | petur | always pleased with a good recording \o/ |
| 11:10:43 | jhMikeS | how much left? iirc it was about that long into the last one that trouble started |
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| 11:11:13 | petur | nah, trouble started earlier |
| 11:11:43 | petur | anyway, part one just ended (it's two sets of around one hour) |
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| 11:12:33 | jhMikeS | you know, with 32MB memory, there's quite a lot more space for a margin. 11 seconds looks afully close to full when displayed graphically. |
| 11:13:24 | Juddy | hey guys. have a gigabeat F40 i was using it and was halfway through playing a song when it stalled. i had to reset the gigabeat but ever since have been getting system error 00000003.. |
| 11:13:50 | Juddy | cant turn it on but still have access to hard disk when connected to computer. any suggestions? |
| 11:14:13 | petur | jhMikeS: yes, but the bigger the buffer, the longer the battery lasts (less spinups) |
| 11:14:21 | jhMikeS | In fact I'd put in at least the full pcm buffer + margin since codecs when cpu boosted dump everything pretty much instantly while the disk spins. |
| 11:14:55 | jhMikeS | But pcm ones never actually show anything but 0 |
| 11:16:27 | jhMikeS | petur: I suppose, but it would be about 11.89s sooner out of ~2:30. |
| 11:16:54 | petur | I wouldn't even mind 15 seconds |
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| 11:18:49 | Juddy | any gigabeat ppl in here to help me? |
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| 11:23:29 | jhMikeS | The codecs are fast, even wavpack and the pcm buffer is never over 1s unless they're denied cpu time but the sudden dump will fill the output fast with that. If by some miracle it's full enough to dump the whole thing, the output will be filled to max before the disk is ready. |
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| 11:24:44 | petur | jhMikeS: I must say that since I defragged my disk I haven't had any problems so I really think slow disk output was the problem |
| 11:25:43 | * | petur runs off |
| 11:25:46 | jhMikeS | yes, and the thread boost on _just_ the pcm thread would have made it worse |
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| 11:31:51 | safetydan | merging get_speex_metadata and get_vorbis_metadata makes for some ugly code |
| 11:32:05 | hcs | Juddy: I've looked it up, but I haven't been able to find any specific information for that error. |
| 11:33:00 | hcs | I know that isn't helpful but I thought you'd like to know you aren't simply being ignored |
| 11:35:54 | JdGordon | Bagder: are the commetns I've just commited a step in the right direction? or still needs more? |
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| 11:37:39 | hcs | Juddy: a reformat is recommended here, but it didn't seem to help the person with the original problem: http://www.mygigabeat.com/forum/messages.cfm?threadid=D9ED5FF4-3048-2906-EAFDFF416365E649 |
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| 11:39:17 | Vague_Rant | OK, so from "Manage settings", I want "Write .cfg file"? |
| 11:39:42 | hcs | yep |
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| 11:46:46 | Juddy | thanks HCS apreciate that. i have been looking on mygigabeat.com and trying out what they are doing |
| 11:47:06 | Juddy | no one has mentioned this error occuring from use of rockbox as far as i can tell |
| 11:47:10 | Juddy | which seems interesting |
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| 11:47:44 | Juddy | hcs: it seems to be working for some but not others like me |
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| 11:48:37 | Juddy | is there like a flash drive on the gigabeat which holds important loading files on it? because maybe the problem lies there |
| 11:49:32 | Juddy | even when gb has a completely wiped hard disk(using windows) it still shows a gigabeat load screen which sugests there is a flash rom inside too |
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| 11:50:09 | hcs | Juddy: yes, there is some rom, but I don't have any idea if this is the issue |
| 11:50:48 | Juddy | hmmmm |
| 11:51:13 | Juddy | it is still within 6months .. but i live in australia and its a US gigabeat |
| 11:51:19 | Juddy | and i bought it off ebay |
| 11:51:43 | Juddy | i dont have any proof of purchase because of this and wouldnt know wheather i can send it to toshiba Australia |
| 11:51:59 | Juddy | any ideas? |
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| 11:52:20 | hcs | call them up and ask |
| 11:52:30 | Juddy | is support 24 hrs? |
| 11:52:39 | Juddy | ill try anyway |
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| 11:55:45 | Juddy | not open |
| 11:55:50 | Juddy | might ring US support |
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| 11:56:59 | hcs | Juddy: it is probably too early for US support; also, as this is not really a rockbox issue anymore you may want to take this discussion over to #gigabeat |
| 11:57:55 | Juddy | true true. no one talks in gigabeat tho :( |
| 11:57:57 | Juddy | oh well |
| 11:58:01 | Juddy | thanks anyway dude |
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| 12:13:36 | Vague_Rant | All the plugins are giving me "incompatible version" in KOSH's H300 Experimental build, even with cleared settings. |
| 12:13:40 | Vague_Rant | Anyone got any ideas? |
| 12:14:09 | hcs | the plugins that he provided? |
| 12:14:28 | Vague_Rant | Yeah, the games and such. |
| 12:14:44 | Vague_Rant | They're in a separate extras package, linked from the update for the system update. |
| 12:15:08 | hcs | do they have last modified dates similar to those of the system update? |
| 12:15:40 | Vague_Rant | Gah, no pause in Tetrox. |
| 12:15:42 | Vague_Rant | Let me check. |
| 12:16:03 | hcs | tetrox? that's quite an old name for the plugin... |
| 12:16:08 | Vague_Rant | Really? |
| 12:16:27 | hcs | 'tis called rockblox now |
| 12:17:21 | Vague_Rant | I just checked, and yeah, the vast majority have the same modify date as the update itself. |
| 12:17:55 | Vague_Rant | The rest I guess have been removed from the extras package, but I definitely tried some of the ones with the same date. |
| 12:19:13 | Vague_Rant | rockblox does not work. |
| 12:21:36 | hcs | try the whole package he links here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6038.0 |
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| 12:22:46 | Vague_Rant | That's the same thing as linked on MisticRiver. |
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| 12:23:03 | Vague_Rant | As in, same address, the link is visited. |
| 12:23:10 | hcs | that seems to have the same versions of everything, including the plugins |
| 12:23:25 | Vague_Rant | I found a recommendation in some other topic that one deletes the .rockbox directory instead of writing over it. |
| 12:23:36 | Vague_Rant | I'll give it a shot. |
| 12:24:01 | hcs | rename it to .rockbox2 in case you want it later |
| 12:24:48 | Vague_Rant | That's a better idea, eh. |
| 12:25:29 | Vague_Rant | Guh, Windows won't let me rename .rockbox. |
| 12:25:53 | Vague_Rant | Meh, I can always just copy the directory contents across to the new .rockbox if necessary. |
| 12:26:10 | hcs | call it bob.rockbox if it insists on having a name before the extension |
| 12:27:17 | Mikachu | he won't be able to rename it back :) |
| 12:28:28 | hcs | he could rename it back in rockbox |
| 12:28:45 | Vague_Rant | Jesus Christ. |
| 12:28:55 | Vague_Rant | The fuckin' power cable zapped me. |
| 12:29:26 | Vague_Rant | Anyway, looks like that did the trick. |
| 12:29:37 | Hsys | jajaja |
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| 12:31:31 | Vague_Rant | What ROMs does PacBox need? |
| 12:31:32 | Vague_Rant | Arcade? |
| 12:32:13 | hcs | rtfm |
| 12:33:04 | hcs | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPacbox |
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| 12:55:30 | Vague_Rant | Thanks all, have a good one. |
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| 12:59:10 | decayedcell | lol make amiconn happy commit? |
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| 13:01:26 | markun | I think it just makes him a bit less sad and not just him |
| 13:07:49 | decayedcell | is there such thing as a iTunes to Rockbox playlist converte |
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| 13:09:39 | linuxstb | I think someone wrote a plugin for that, but it's quite old, so may need updating. It should be in the patch tracker. |
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| 13:17:33 | Hsys | you can scan you itunes database with rockbox ... |
| 13:17:47 | Hsys | you could scan your* |
| 13:18:53 | decayedcell | thats not the point, the playlists are lost when you use Rockbox - unless you're saying that rockbox's database converts the iTunes playlists? |
| 13:21:03 | linuxstb | Rockbox itself doesn't touch the itunes database. |
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| 13:57:17 | w1ll14m | jdgordon: are you here? |
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| 14:06:31 | * | XavierGr just won an Ondio FM auction! Add another user on the Archos userbase. :D |
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| 14:08:03 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: \o/ |
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| 14:11:58 | XavierGr | now I need an ipod and a gigabeat to complete my rockbox-targets daps :P |
| 14:12:50 | Genre9mp3 | and an iAudio X5 and a Sansa... :P |
| 14:12:58 | XavierGr | oops |
| 14:12:59 | XavierGr | yeah |
| 14:13:02 | XavierGr | wow |
| 14:13:07 | XavierGr | I completely forgot about them |
| 14:13:12 | XavierGr | silly me |
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| 14:30:01 | scorche | Mikachu: SYN |
| 14:31:28 | Mikachu | ACK! |
| 14:31:59 | scorche | once 7zip finishes, i will be uploading a new image to your server |
| 14:32:13 | Mikachu | okay, let me start the ftp server |
| 14:32:23 | Mikachu | there :) |
| 14:33:20 | * | scorche wonders if he should worry that the first word that struck out at him from the ftp was "porno" |
| 14:33:21 | Mikachu | what's changed? |
| 14:33:25 | Mikachu | heh |
| 14:33:38 | scorche | arm > 4.0.3 so that arm will build again |
| 14:34:13 | scorche | and i changed stuff around so that it agrees with rockboxdev.sh instead of differing so as to make life easier for others |
| 14:34:21 | fir3 | hi |
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| 14:34:41 | fir3 | what player can you recommend me for use with rockbox? |
| 14:34:53 | scorche | that depends on what you are looking for |
| 14:34:58 | Mikachu | scorche: i moved that stuff to a no-access subdir :) |
| 14:35:25 | scorche | Mikachu: bah you =P |
| 14:35:26 | Mikachu | (it is a name of a band) |
| 14:35:33 | scorche | i know, but still ;) |
| 14:36:16 | Mikachu | it's funny, when i first set it up i didn't think to make the anon account write-only |
| 14:36:32 | fir3 | i mainly want a player that has a decent battery life with rockbox |
| 14:36:44 | scorche | define "decent" |
| 14:36:47 | Mikachu | and someone uploaded like 1GB of dutch trance (?) (got the address from port scanning i assume), then when i deleted it he uploaded a file that contained a lot of cursing :) |
| 14:37:03 | fir3 | ~12hours should be ok |
| 14:37:05 | scorche | Mikachu: well, hopefully, you learned ;) |
| 14:37:16 | Mikachu | hopefully he did too |
| 14:37:18 | markun | fir3: some people got up to 20 with a Gigabeat F40 |
| 14:37:27 | fir3 | :o |
| 14:38:01 | fir3 | yesterday someone recommended me a gigabeat player, too |
| 14:38:13 | fir3 | but i was unable to find a store selling it :( |
| 14:38:32 | markun | yes, you will not find them in stores (outside of australia) anymore |
| 14:38:46 | markun | perhaps we should tell Toshiba they need to produce them again :) |
| 14:39:16 | fir3 | why did they stop producing such a nice device? :/ |
| 14:41:36 | markun | because they made one with FM and TV-out (S series) and after that the Zune. |
| 14:42:03 | fir3 | oh right the zune... :/ |
| 14:42:24 | fir3 | how does the zune work with rockbox? |
| 14:42:57 | Genre9mp3 | doesn't work at all |
| 14:43:23 | fir3 | hrm...but that would i mean i have to buy sth from m$ :) |
| 14:43:34 | scorche | if it worked, yes |
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| 14:45:40 | fir3 | cool i found 2 f40s on ebay |
| 14:45:58 | fir3 | what's a good price for a used one? |
| 14:48:50 | hcs | with some code shuffling and a larger buffer, ff6 opening theme part 3 runs with echo without skipping on an ipod |
| 14:49:10 | hcs | with icatcher wps, I might add |
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| 14:51:37 | fir3_ | got disconnected |
| 14:52:28 | fir3_ | what was the last message you received from me? |
| 14:52:58 | hcs | you asked what the good price for a used f40 would be, I got a refurbished one from overstock.com for $160 |
| 14:56:11 | scorche | Mikachu: i take that back...i always seem to forgot how long 7zip takes...i am going to go to sleep and will upload when i wake |
| 14:56:20 | Mikachu | okay, let me know when it's done |
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| 14:56:49 | scorche | the compression, or the upload? |
| 14:56:56 | Mikachu | the upload |
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| 14:57:31 | scorche | alright |
| 14:58:38 | JdGordon | w1ll14m: i am now |
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| 15:03:21 | fir3_ | does the gigabeat f40 support all the rockbox features? |
| 15:04:29 | hcs | the hardware has no recording capability |
| 15:05:35 | hcs | the device chart is useful for comparisons: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
| 15:05:39 | fir3_ | but everything else works well? |
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| 15:06:58 | Genre9mp3 | also it doesn't have radio |
| 15:08:52 | fir3_ | i never really needed the radio function |
| 15:10:13 | fir3_ | what does 'ROLO' mean? |
| 15:10:37 | Genre9mp3 | Rockbox Loader |
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| 15:11:14 | fir3_ | that means no dualboot, right? |
| 15:11:51 | Genre9mp3 | hmm.. don't have a Gigabeat myself (yet) but I think that you can dual boot |
| 15:12:15 | hcs | dual boot didn't work last I checked |
| 15:12:19 | Mikachu | rolo means you boot something else from inside rockbox |
| 15:12:49 | fir3_ | what could you boot from inside rockbox? |
| 15:13:02 | hcs | you can force it to reload the original firmware, but the you need to manually install the rockbox firmware again |
| 15:13:10 | Mikachu | another version of rockbox, the original firmware, linux if it's an ipod |
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| 15:15:14 | markun | Mikachu: there are still some vague plans in #gigabeat to add linux to the Gigabeat as well |
| 15:15:52 | fir3_ | i don't care about the original firmware if i can use all the device functions in rockbox |
| 15:16:04 | fir3_ | (with a decent battery life) |
| 15:17:12 | fir3_ | is there anything i could really miss when using rockbox instead of the original fw? |
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| 15:21:09 | Genre9mp3 | Would you miss sat encrypted mp3s? I think not... |
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| 15:22:31 | Genre9mp3 | otoh I should stop talking about Gigabeat since I don't have one.. :) |
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| 15:24:00 | markun | fir3_: wma |
| 15:24:16 | Genre9mp3 | I knew it was coming.... |
| 15:24:48 | markun | and some interface features like rotating and sliding on the touchpad |
| 15:26:13 | fir3_ | rotating and sliding?..is there some video demonstrating this, don't know what exactly you mean ;) |
| 15:26:52 | Genre9mp3 | rotating of the screen orientation (landscape/portrait) |
| 15:26:55 | fir3_ | how come it doesn't support wma? (i never use wma, just wondering) |
| 15:27:17 | Genre9mp3 | there is a work in progress for wma support |
| 15:27:37 | fir3_ | oh right. no, i don't need that :) |
| 15:28:25 | fir3_ | sliding? |
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| 15:31:13 | fir3_ | markun: do you mean this? http://www.mygigabeat.com/2006/01/hidden-tips-and-tricks-for-your.html |
| 15:32:15 | markun | yes |
| 15:34:51 | fir3_ | any chances this will be supported later? :) |
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| 15:38:38 | markun | fir3_: sure, someone just needs to implement it |
| 15:39:34 | fir3_ | are there many rockbox devs having the f40? |
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| 15:40:02 | markun | more and more :) |
| 15:40:28 | markun | we finished the port in january |
| 15:40:36 | JdGordon | markun: any idea how those commands would work in rockbox? |
| 15:40:49 | fir3_ | although it doesn't get produced anymore? :o |
| 15:40:53 | JdGordon | sort of takes actions to a whole new level :p |
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| 16:02:55 | |Rincewind| | hi |
| 16:03:07 | |Rincewind| | I get the following build error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lspeex |
| 16:04:27 | |Rincewind| | nevermind, I just noticed that the error is in the build table, too |
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| 16:05:42 | |Rincewind| | no it's not :( |
| 16:06:19 | |Rincewind| | do I have to install speex? (I wanted to build the h120 sim) |
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| 16:07:56 | GodEater | since the sim started supporting it, yes you do |
| 16:08:07 | GodEater | unless you edit the makefile to take all the references to libspeex out |
| 16:08:35 | Mikachu | no, libspeex should be contained in rockbox |
| 16:08:47 | Mikachu | like all the other codecs |
| 16:09:14 | GodEater | even in the sim ? |
| 16:09:31 | GodEater | -lspeex looks like a dynamic link command to me |
| 16:09:39 | |Rincewind| | I already did a "make clean" btw |
| 16:10:08 | |Rincewind| | but maybe I have to make .configure again. |
| 16:10:09 | Mikachu | did you try svn update? |
| 16:10:12 | Mikachu | probably |
| 16:10:24 | Mikachu | it sounds like a makefile error |
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| 16:13:50 | |Rincewind| | it worked. Running .configure again did the trick |
| 16:14:48 | DataGhost | GodEater |
| 16:14:59 | DataGhost | what iPod(s) do you have again? :P |
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| 16:45:09 | fir3_ | how does rockboy/doom run on the gigabeat? |
| 16:46:12 | BigMac | well |
| 16:46:14 | markun | fir3_: pretty good, but the sound on rockboy is a bit buggy (on all targets) |
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| 16:50:29 | fir3 | i really have to get rid of this crappy fritzcard... |
| 16:50:58 | markun | fir3_: to give you an indication: the ipods have a dual 80MHz ARM7, the Gigabeat has a 300MHz ARM9 |
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| 16:51:37 | fir3 | yep i read that on the specs page. impressive :) |
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| 16:51:56 | markun | but some devs complain it takes the fun out of optimizing :) |
| 16:52:02 | fir3 | hehe |
| 16:52:37 | fir3 | do you know if the gigabeat is still sold in taiwan? |
| 16:54:03 | fir3 | anyone? :) |
| 16:54:25 | markun | I don't even know if it was ever sold there |
| 16:55:01 | markun | fir3: perhaps google for "gigabeat site:tw" |
| 16:55:41 | markun | fir3: only F and X are supported btw |
| 16:55:56 | fir3 | yep |
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| 16:56:11 | fir3 | but no one recommended the X to me, how come? |
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| 16:56:21 | markun | they are hard to get |
| 16:56:40 | markun | I would love to swap my F for a X |
| 16:56:41 | fir3 | even harder than the F? :o |
| 16:56:55 | markun | http://store.pchome.com.tw/3c_mall/M00217206.htm |
| 16:58:43 | fir3 | $1187 ?? |
| 16:58:53 | markun | how much is that? |
| 16:59:08 | fir3 | dunno :) |
| 16:59:48 | markun | this one is NTD$8880 http://vip010.uwish.com.tw/uwish/front/bin/partprint.phtml?Part=a040&Category=&Style=3 |
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| 17:00:14 | markun | are you going to taiwan soon? |
| 17:00:15 | fir3 | NTD? |
| 17:00:32 | fir3 | no but i know someone who possibly goes there |
| 17:02:35 | markun | about 180 euro |
| 17:02:38 | Mikachu | http://www.google.com/search?q=8880+taiwan+dollars+to+usd |
| 17:02:57 | markun | Mikachu: he lives in Germany |
| 17:03:15 | Mikachu | http://www.google.com/search?q=8880+taiwan+dollars+to+eur |
| 17:03:18 | fir3 | my converter says 209? |
| 17:03:19 | markun | :) |
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| 17:03:42 | lolzors | hello everyone |
| 17:03:59 | markun | hi lolzors |
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| 17:04:34 | norbusan | Hi all! Anyone here who can help with fix the insert patch for the new menu system? |
| 17:04:37 | markun | no!! not more webguests!! |
| 17:04:51 | | Quit fir3_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) |
| 17:04:58 | norbusan | markun: webguest ... what do you want ... |
| 17:05:07 | webguest36 | :) |
| 17:05:11 | markun | norbusan: that I can't remember their names.. |
| 17:05:14 | norbusan | ;-) |
| 17:05:22 | markun | one is called 60, the other 36 etc... |
| 17:05:33 | markun | maybe I'm just getting old |
| 17:05:38 | fir3 | if these are twd, that would be 28? oO http://store.pchome.com.tw/3c_mall/M00217206.htm |
| 17:05:40 | lolzors | soooo....does RockBox play videos (in a 5.5g Ipod Video) |
| 17:05:47 | norbusan | webguest45 to webguest82: Did you know that webguest42 has had love with webguest 92? |
| 17:05:49 | markun | lolzors: yes |
| 17:06:14 | markun | lolzors: but mpeg2 videos only, which you have to encode yourself |
| 17:06:17 | crashd | just not using the video acceleration of the broadcom chip |
| 17:06:17 | crashd | :| |
| 17:06:35 | webguest36 | well today i am exploring what are the possibilities to take more control over my ipod |
| 17:06:41 | lolzors | aw |
| 17:06:47 | webguest36 | so i find rockbox and ipodlinux |
| 17:06:53 | * | Soap suggests couple therapy. Control issues are bad. |
| 17:07:00 | markun | norbusan: I'm sure JdGordon could help you if het was here |
| 17:07:02 | lolzors | that is a downer considering all my videos are mp4 (which is a better compression) |
| 17:07:07 | lolzors | o well |
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| 17:07:53 | markun | webguest36: and? What do you think of rockbox so far? |
| 17:07:54 | norbusan | Ok, so I have to do the trial and error method ... thanks. |
| 17:08:12 | markun | np :) |
| 17:08:19 | webguest36 | i want to develop applications for mu ipod |
| 17:08:23 | webguest36 | and i am trying to figure out |
| 17:08:24 | Soap | norbusan: you never asked a specific question. |
| 17:08:27 | webguest36 | what are the differences |
| 17:08:51 | webguest36 | cause ipodlinux is a lionux distro, and ok, i can imagine what i can do |
| 17:08:58 | webguest36 | but rockbox seems different |
| 17:09:02 | norbusan | Soap: Well, the patch in the tracker is completely outdated. maxwen has updated it once but not submitted to the tracker. |
| 17:09:03 | Soap | IPL is linux on the iPod. Rockbox is its own kernel and enviroment on the iPod - both like C and POSIX. |
| 17:09:49 | norbusan | With the new menu system (just recently the playlst menu was changed) the insert patch does of course not work anymore. |
| 17:10:01 | markun | webguest36: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodLinux |
| 17:10:09 | Soap | norbusan: So the question is on how to resync the patch? |
| 17:10:26 | webguest36 | but, for instance, rockbox come with out of the box support for a lot of encoders and ad hoc features for portabe players |
| 17:10:31 | norbusan | Now my question is how to transfer the old into the new style: The old had a function static bool click_insert(void), and a line { ID2P(LANG_CLICK_INSERT), click_insert }, |
| 17:11:09 | markun | webguest36: ipodlinux is for people who want to have linux on their ipods. rockbox is for people who want to listen to music. |
| 17:11:15 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 17:11:16 | webguest36 | i don't see such extensive feature support with ipodlinux, cause it is not a "specific" product. |
| 17:11:22 | norbusan | for apps/menus/playlis_menu.c this doesn't work, naturally. |
| 17:11:24 | webguest36 | I am just wondering what is the best way |
| 17:11:36 | markun | webguest36: you can install both |
| 17:12:09 | Soap | webguest36: what kind of applications do you want to write? What kind of support do they need from the OS? |
| 17:12:31 | webguest36 | well, the long-term idea is to connect the ipod to the net, via some kind of wifi adapter |
| 17:12:40 | webguest36 | but i see there is no usb support even in ipodlinux |
| 17:12:43 | markun | go with ipodlinux I would say |
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| 17:12:53 | webguest36 | yes, i think so |
| 17:12:59 | markun | rockbox also doesn't have usb support |
| 17:13:25 | webguest36 | i am trying to understand the pieces: i want to install the Loader2 from ipodlinux project |
| 17:13:30 | webguest36 | can i run rockbox on top of it? |
| 17:13:41 | Soap | Loader2 can boot Rockbox, yes. |
| 17:14:04 | Soap | It will look for Rockbox in the first FAT32 primary partition. |
| 17:15:05 | webguest36 | right now i have just follewed instructions to resize Empty partition and create the linux one as /dev/sdb3 |
| 17:15:27 | webguest36 | i am confused because there are 2 bootloader and they seem to act differently |
| 17:15:48 | Soap | you will be a hero to many, webguest36, if you accomplish talking to a WiFi adapter either by fixing IPL's Serial interface, or by getting the USB to work on the PortaPlayer chips. |
| 17:15:50 | webguest36 | the Loader2 wants to install the OS on FAT32 partition, that is where songs are on |
| 17:16:17 | webguest36 | I think it is very difficoult cause: 1. there is no usb driver |
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| 17:16:36 | webguest36 | 2. i need an hardware adapter to connect a generic usbadapter to ipod... |
| 17:16:42 | webguest36 | 2. i need an hardware adapter to connect a generic usbadapter to ipod... |
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| 17:17:18 | Soap | oh, if you are serious about writing a USB or serial driver for the ipod - I would happily make you the adapter. |
| 17:17:43 | webguest36 | no, i do not have any skill on that kind of low level programming |
| 17:18:19 | webguest36 | i am reading about firewire network connection on ipodlinux site but... |
| 17:18:43 | webguest36 | i am wondering what they are talking about, ipod uses usb or i am missing something? |
| 17:18:46 | fir3 | there's no gigabeatlinux right? |
| 17:20:11 | Soap | webguest36: first gen used FW only, 5th and Nano use USB only - somewhere in the middle they used both. |
| 17:20:40 | webguest36 | ah, ok, didn't know, i just have a 1st gen nano |
| 17:21:43 | webguest36 | so, tu summarize: there is the Loader2 and i will put it in the ext2 partitions i have just created, and it can load the rockbox firmware in the fat32 partition. but... i am confused, there are 3 pieces: firmware, loader and os |
| 17:21:57 | webguest36 | i think apple firmware goes to Empty partition |
| 17:22:08 | webguest36 | the i put the loader2 on the ext2 partition |
| 17:22:25 | webguest36 | then i put ipodlinux on the ext2 as well |
| 17:22:32 | webguest36 | and, if i like, rockbox on the fat32 |
| 17:22:49 | webguest36 | and the loader ask me if i want to load apple firmware, ipodlinux or rockbox |
| 17:22:50 | webguest36 | right? |
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| 17:23:52 | markun | fir3: no (not yet?) |
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| 17:25:07 | fir3 | i'm worried about buying an old device no one is willing to program for :/ |
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| 17:26:02 | ildella | well, I was webguest36 :) |
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| 17:36:45 | markun | fir3: which device are you talking about? |
| 17:40:52 | fir3_ | markun: the gigabeat |
| 17:41:14 | markun | what makes you think no on e is willing to program for it? |
| 17:41:21 | fir3_ | 'cause toshiba never sold it in europe |
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| 17:41:38 | fir3_ | there are not so much people having one |
| 17:41:54 | GodEater | I have one, and i live in Europe |
| 17:42:00 | markun | me too |
| 17:42:06 | GodEater | though what that has to do with people developing for it I have no clue |
| 17:42:46 | markun | fir3: as long as it's supported by rockbox I don't think you have to worry about people not willing to program for a device |
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| 17:43:00 | markun | well, perhaps the old archos players, but they still have amiconn :) |
| 17:43:13 | fir3_ | hum..good point |
| 17:43:32 | markun | fir3: which other players have people programming for it? |
| 17:43:40 | markun | besides the rockbox ones |
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| 17:43:55 | markun | ah well, there is archopen of course |
| 17:43:57 | fir3_ | right.. |
| 17:44:25 | GodEater | not as mature or well rounded according to linuxstb mind you |
| 17:45:02 | fir3_ | too bad i bought that crappy zen micro before discovering rockbox :/ |
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| 17:47:06 | amiconn | XavierGr: Congrats |
| 17:47:38 | * | amiconn is still waiting for the first 8GB MMCs to hit the market |
| 17:47:49 | * | amiconn wants to code MMC4.2 support |
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| 17:49:35 | markun | amiconn: for your ondio? |
| 17:49:44 | amiconn | yes |
| 17:51:23 | perl|perl | http://www.popco.net/zboard/view.php?id=mp3p_review&no=76 |
| 17:51:31 | perl|perl | might be a nice rockbox candidate :P |
| 17:51:50 | perl|perl | since it doesnt have any built in eq settings at all |
| 17:52:03 | perl|perl | weird screen resolution as well |
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| 17:57:03 | jhMikeS | amiconn: does arm work more quickly with 32 bit data than 16 bit or do most instuctions come have the eqivalent of .w for cf? |
| 17:57:12 | jhMikeS | petur: word? :) |
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| 17:57:39 | petur | ? |
| 17:57:39 | jhMikeS | recording checked out? |
| 17:58:28 | petur | all fine I think - am post-processing now and will give it a good listen on monday (with headphone) |
| 17:58:41 | petur | haven't heard anything wrong |
| 17:59:12 | jhMikeS | good :)...what was wrong before was too obvious to miss |
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| 18:00:26 | petur | but last night, I did notice that when I got it out of the bag, the backlight was on and stayed on forever. Very weird. I had HOLD on so it couldn't have been a keypress |
| 18:00:41 | petur | must try to reproduce |
| 18:00:51 | Mikachu | check if the "backlight on hold" is set to always on :) |
| 18:00:52 | petur | cliplight is on but clip hold time is 5s |
| 18:01:02 | * | petur checks |
| 18:01:25 | petur | hahaha |
| 18:01:27 | petur | wtf |
| 18:01:30 | petur | it's on |
| 18:01:30 | jhMikeS | lol...forgot about that one...and I added it :P |
| 18:01:32 | markun | :) |
| 18:01:37 | petur | who did that |
| 18:02:37 | petur | is the default 'on' or what? |
| 18:02:48 | jhMikeS | no, default is normal |
| 18:03:03 | Llorean | The default is to be the same as when hold is off. |
| 18:03:24 | Llorean | But I've turned it on once or twice while not paying attention and trying to turn it off instead. |
| 18:03:27 | jhMikeS | I meant the default _is_ "Normal" |
| 18:04:16 | Mikachu | i always check when i enable hold that the light turns off |
| 18:04:16 | petur | well that explains why my battery was going down so fast ;) |
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| 18:04:28 | Mikachu | happened to me once or twice |
| 18:04:55 | * | petur checks his settings file |
| 18:05:00 | jhMikeS | That's an EL panel backlight? Those suck the power down. |
| 18:05:34 | petur | weird, it's in the settings file I once exported as my default :/ |
| 18:07:07 | * | jhMikeS 's code always causes Petur frustration |
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| 18:07:20 | petur | ah you noticed :p |
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| 18:14:44 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Stick to 32 bit on arm. 16 bit is significantly slower because gcc then inserts masking operations |
| 18:15:41 | amiconn | jhMikeS: EL backlight needs about the same power as LED backlight if the converter is ok |
| 18:16:14 | jhMikeS | Really? Seems like I can leave the bl on on my iRiver a lot and not see much drain |
| 18:16:15 | amiconn | The irivers have LED backlights |
| 18:16:27 | XavierGr | amiconn: thanks, as soon as I get it I will try to mod it with backlight, but I am sure that finding the foil will be hard enough. |
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| 18:16:46 | amiconn | Yes, and finding the correct chip might also be a problem |
| 18:17:24 | amiconn | You should ask [IDC]Dragon when he's around |
| 18:17:30 | XavierGr | also I hope that it will not suffer from the famous power drain issue |
| 18:18:42 | amiconn | pixelma is about to take a photo of her backlit Ondio, for replacing the one in the wiki |
| 18:18:50 | amiconn | (which shows the archos firmware) |
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| 18:19:14 | XavierGr | amiconn: I will ask him, though if the chip and foil is too hard to find (or too expensive to get) I am afraid I will pass on that |
| 18:21:36 | XavierGr | I am afraid that even if I find the chip the shipping cost will be too much (especially from US) |
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| 18:27:04 | XavierGr | amiconn: where did you manage to find your materials? (chip and foil) |
| 18:29:48 | mattzz | Hi, I have a general question: How does the decision process look like, what patch goes into SVN and what not? |
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| 18:32:56 | Llorean | mattzz: There's really no formal process, how much and what sort of discussion happens depends on the feature. |
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| 18:34:43 | mattzz | Llorean: I see a couple of nice plugin patches waiting (besides my own :-P ). I think in SVN they will be better verified/tested. |
| 18:34:49 | carl | someone can upload uncrypted file on a ftp server ? |
| 18:34:59 | carl | just a firmware |
| 18:35:05 | petur | mattzz: nagging sometimes helps ;) |
| 18:35:18 | Llorean | mattzz: SVN isn't really for testing. Patches should generally be tested on as many targets as possible first. |
| 18:35:24 | Llorean | Which plugin patches were you thinking about though? |
| 18:35:50 | mattzz | Llorean: I saw a gif-viewer plugin for instance |
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| 18:37:12 | Llorean | mattzz: Yes, but the person who implemented that never bothered to make it at all cross platform |
| 18:37:54 | mattzz | Llorean: OK, so that could be my next tasks ;-) |
| 18:38:29 | Llorean | A patch is less likely to get included unless it works on All (or almost all, if there's a good reason) targets. |
| 18:38:47 | Llorean | If it only works on one, it's very unlikely to be considered. |
| 18:38:58 | Llorean | Because in that case it means more work for the person who's going to commit it. |
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| 18:39:26 | mattzz | Good point. So every plugin has to be proven on all platforms working (at least on every simulator). |
| 18:39:35 | Llorean | And the people with commit access are usually working on other things anyway, so don't want to pick up the job of making a plugin work properly on top of it all. |
| 18:39:46 | Llorean | Not _every_ simulator necessarily. |
| 18:39:57 | petur | if we start supporting multiple gfx formats, could we combine them into one viewer plugin? |
| 18:40:01 | Llorean | For example the H120 and the iPod 4G have the same screen shape/depth |
| 18:40:42 | mattzz | petur: that would make sense. |
| 18:40:56 | Llorean | Basically, you need to make sure all the keymaps work, and that your various screen sizes work. You should be reasonably sure it'll work everywhere, but testing on every single simulator is a bit overkill in many cases. |
| 18:40:58 | mattzz | Llorean: Is there something like a minimum regression requirement? |
| 18:41:24 | * | mattzz is thinking of another wiki page... |
| 18:41:54 | Llorean | As I said there's no formal process yet. Basically, it has to be something that the person who chooses to commit feels comfortable that they're not going to get yelled at for committing. :) |
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| 18:42:49 | Llorean | In terms of plugins that means reasonably cross-platform tested. In terms of core features, it gets a _lot_ fuzzier. |
| 18:43:08 | mattzz | OK, I will start a page to share a view on how to make that happen. I think that a plugin in SVN gets more attention than in FS so things might speed up. |
| 18:43:13 | mattzz | Yaeh, I was thinking about plugins in the first place |
| 18:43:24 | Llorean | The trick is, SVN is for things that work. |
| 18:44:00 | Llorean | And 'work' usually means 'runs on all targets, and doesn't have obvious problems' |
| 18:44:18 | Llorean | Or at least 'runs on all the targets it should run on' for plugins that say, require color graphics. |
| 18:44:53 | mattzz | Llorean: Yup, that's why I will set up a list of things to do and I will propose a list of plugins to be put in SVN after they passed the tests. |
| 18:45:10 | markun | mattzz: I also had a hard time maintaining the unicode patch before it was ready for commit |
| 18:45:32 | markun | but that's just the way it is |
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| 18:46:51 | mattzz | markun: I understand that very well. Thing is, that some times there is just a lack of feedback. Eg. I do not find a hint in the viewbox plugin that point to more x-platform work to do. |
| 18:47:01 | Llorean | Well, it'd be hard to come up with a much better way. |
| 18:47:20 | mattzz | No, but I understand your views a bit better now ;) |
| 18:49:08 | Llorean | petur: Is there some good reason to combine it into a single viewer plugin? |
| 18:49:32 | petur | ease of use when looking at pics? |
| 18:49:37 | Llorean | I actually think it's a bad idea |
| 18:49:45 | petur | but I can't imagine having jpg and gif in one folder |
| 18:49:48 | Llorean | Right now, if the pic can fit in the plugin buffer, music can continue playing while you view it. |
| 18:50:00 | Llorean | If the plugin gets bigger, the maximum pic size while music plays gets smaller, quickly |
| 18:50:16 | petur | well I did have resource issues in mind so combining may not be the best thing |
| 18:50:33 | petur | I was just thinking about the slideshow feature |
| 18:50:50 | Llorean | Perhaps some file delineating supported image formats, a simplified viewers.config, so the plugins can launch the next one or something for slideshows? |
| 18:50:53 | petur | some way to swap decoding engines in/out |
| 18:51:01 | Llorean | Image codecs. :-P |
| 18:51:12 | petur | yes |
| 18:51:20 | Soap | why wouldn't someone be expected to have .gif and .jpg in the same folder? |
| 18:51:23 | petur | or like overlays |
| 18:51:23 | Llorean | Yeah, as long as it's not all one big lump of a plugin. |
| 18:51:50 | petur | jpg = pictures, gif = LQ gfx |
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| 18:52:10 | Soap | yea - and? I still don't see why there would be an expectation of seperation. |
| 18:52:13 | petur | jpg and png I can imagine, but gif sux |
| 18:52:23 | fir3_ | :) |
| 18:52:44 | petur | and gifs are probably animated which doesn't fit in the slideshow feature |
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| 18:53:06 | XavierGr | my thought is that we need something like saperate graphic codecs and one unified viewer that will call each codec |
| 18:53:14 | Soap | I'm picturing (bad pun) a situation where someone is using their DAP to display their collection of funny images collected on the web to a friend. |
| 18:53:33 | petur | point taken |
| 18:53:43 | Llorean | Yeah |
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| 18:54:06 | Llorean | We shouldn't discriminate against image formats. We don't with audio formats (except MIDI, which we clearly hate, leaving it just a lone plugin :-P) |
| 18:54:18 | petur | rofl |
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| 18:54:56 | XavierGr | midi is problematic due to the patchset |
| 18:55:19 | XavierGr | but ideally it could be intergrated too with the others |
| 18:55:41 | Soap | MIDI recording would be a trick feature to add once there was working USB stacks. Plug in your MIDI keyboard and record your doodelings, and then be able to playback anytime. |
| 18:56:02 | * | petur hides quickly |
| 18:56:08 | Llorean | I do wonder, though, is our midi patchset perhaps way too big? |
| 18:56:14 | Soap | but that's neither here nor there. |
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| 19:01:49 | * | linuxstb reads the forums and wonders how people can _still_ be having trouble installing Rockbox on their ipod... |
| 19:02:08 | Llorean | Indeed |
| 19:02:25 | Mikachu | as soon as you invent a foolproof method, they invent a better idiot |
| 19:02:56 | Mikachu | s/idiot/fool/ :) |
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| 19:14:21 | amiconn | XavierGr: I got the chip & foil from [IDC]Dragon, who in turn ordered the chips as samples from the manufacturer |
| 19:14:52 | amiconn | The foils are from a swedish backlight kit for a diy mp3 player |
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| 19:20:07 | XavierGr | amiconn: ah nice, and in which country is the manufacturer? |
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| 19:32:49 | fir3__ | how long can i listen to music(backlight off) with rockbox? |
| 19:33:09 | Llorean | fir3__: Do a benchmark and find out? |
| 19:33:26 | Llorean | It can vary greatly with battery age, music format, bitrate, and other options you're using. |
| 19:33:37 | lex | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod is this the newest bootloader for 5.5G |
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| 19:34:19 | Llorean | lex: The newest precompiled one, yes. Though the most recent instructions don't require you to download a separate bootloader. |
| 19:34:30 | lex | :o |
| 19:34:41 | lex | so does that one work with cop, so i could play music? |
| 19:34:47 | lex | or if it's even because of cop |
| 19:35:13 | Llorean | You can play music without COP... |
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| 19:35:25 | Llorean | But that bootloader will work with COP builds, yes. |
| 19:35:28 | lex | i have no idea then why can't i play music |
| 19:35:38 | lex | it just doesn't start to play |
| 19:35:56 | Llorean | With an official build, installed following official instructions? |
| 19:36:06 | lex | yeah... |
| 19:36:13 | lex | oh, i guess i have the senab's build |
| 19:36:20 | Llorean | That's not an official build. |
| 19:36:22 | lex | yea |
| 19:36:35 | lex | i could try with an official too |
| 19:36:45 | lex | but those themes won't work with it |
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| 19:37:25 | Llorean | Well, Senab's build isn't supported here. |
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| 19:38:01 | lex | let's see |
| 19:39:03 | * | petur uses his dap to listen to :p |
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| 19:42:00 | markun | petur: as opposed to looking to it? |
| 19:42:08 | petur | yep |
| 19:42:19 | markun | same her |
| 19:42:20 | markun | e |
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| 19:45:42 | lex | Llorean: it work's with the official build, thanks :) |
| 19:45:49 | lex | markun: hey |
| 19:48:58 | petur | ho |
| 19:49:02 | petur | let's go |
| 19:49:15 | lex | :o |
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| 19:56:16 | markun | hi linuxstb |
| 19:56:22 | markun | eh, hi lex |
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| 20:22:44 | markun | Do the bitmaps for the WPS have to be short to save space? |
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| 20:23:17 | Llorean | Short? |
| 20:24:25 | markun | yes, I'm working on the Rockboxed theme to include with rockbox |
| 20:24:56 | markun | I now have filenames like ps-mono-big.bmp, but perhaps ps-mb.bmp is better? |
| 20:25:16 | Llorean | Oh, I don't think that matters as long as they fit the buffer. |
| 20:25:29 | Llorean | Since the buffer's static anyway, I don't imagine longer names matter as long as they fit. |
| 20:25:59 | markun | do you perhaps know how large the buffer is? |
| 20:26:05 | Llorean | No clue. |
| 20:26:12 | markun | ok, I'll look it up |
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| 20:30:43 | Llorean | Uh oh. |
| 20:31:23 | Llorean | Engadget got an article wrong (claiming iPodWizard allows backdrop replacement on the 2G Nano, when it seems it's only on the 1G). Be prepared for people coming in claiming the 2G's firmware has been decrypted/hacked. |
| 20:34:27 | HardDisk_WP | n8 |
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| 20:55:15 | mattzz | Llorean: are you there? |
| 20:55:49 | Llorean | Yes |
| 20:55:51 | mattzz | Llorean: I started http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoVerifyPlugins |
| 20:56:59 | mattzz | Llorean: What platforms would you consider important for testing (you mentioned H120 and Ipod 4g being quite similar) |
| 20:57:21 | Llorean | mattzz: The iFP-700 and the Tatung Elio don't need to be tested. They aren't ports yet, not really |
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| 20:57:30 | mattzz | ok |
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| 20:58:06 | Llorean | But there's many cases of cross-screen compatibility. The H3xx series and the iPod Photo use the same screen dimensions, as well as the H1xx and iPod 4G Gray. |
| 20:58:25 | barrywardell | and the X5 and H10 20GB |
| 20:58:30 | mattzz | That is exactly the information I was looking for |
| 20:58:31 | Llorean | Really basically you should just make sure you have it either be screen agnostic, or drawing routines for each screen. |
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| 21:00:03 | hcs | endian sensitivity ought to be mentioned, as it seems to come up when someone is developing for only little-endian... |
| 21:00:06 | linuxstb_ | mattz: The AV300 port is still in early development as well, so you can remove that from the list. |
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| 21:00:27 | Llorean | hcs: That does come up, primarily if the plugin saves or reads a file, yeah. |
| 21:00:48 | hcs | I know it's happened to me enough. |
| 21:02:05 | linuxstb_ | As well as endian issues, there are two other, similar issues - ARM and SH require aligned memory accesses (Coldfire doesn't), and on ARM, the "char" type is signed by default, but unsigned on most other platforms. But those kinds of problems will show themselves during normal testing - assuming you test on a real target, not the sim. |
| 21:03:03 | Llorean | An actual "SVN Readiness" checklist for plugins would be kinda nice. |
| 21:03:10 | barrywardell | also, plugins should make use of the plugin api where possible. eg. the menu api should be uses for all plugins |
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| 21:03:34 | Llorean | At that point it'd make it a lot easier for plugins, at least, to get included. |
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| 21:04:00 | hcs | linuxstb_: if by "a real target" you mean "all real targets", yeah it should show up in testing, but if you don't own the hardware in question |
| 21:04:07 | linuxstb_ | Probably also worth pointing to the docs/CONTRIBUTING file for code style guidelines. |
| 21:04:34 | Llorean | hcs: It'd be any real target with that architecture. |
| 21:04:36 | linuxstb_ | hcs; You should try and find volunteers so that it runs on at least one real target with each CPU type. |
| 21:04:46 | * | petur wonders why this page is only made for plugins. All patches should comply |
| 21:05:10 | Llorean | petur: Core patches have a lot more debate over them anyway, in terms of "Do we really need this feature?" and such |
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| 21:06:30 | petur | we alse need a unified use of menus in the plugins. atm, each plugin uses its own style |
| 21:06:39 | mattzz | linuxstb: docs/CONTRIBUTING is linked on the plugin verification topic |
| 21:06:53 | linuxstb_ | mattzz: Sorry, missed that... |
| 21:07:04 | barrywardell | petur: like i just mentioned (menu api) |
| 21:07:20 | petur | right |
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| 21:09:03 | mattzz | barrywardell: can you give me a pointer to the menu api (I dont know what that is) |
| 21:09:16 | barrywardell | i see my comment made it to the wiki, typo and all :P |
| 21:09:40 | barrywardell | mattzz: some of the plugins use it. i'll see if I can find a good example |
| 21:09:50 | mattzz | barrywardell: sure, as mentioned in CONTRIBUTING - do not mess with ones style :-P |
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| 21:11:16 | Llorean | It's possible that we could drop the list of targets |
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| 21:11:55 | Llorean | And instead do a list of screen dimensions, and a list of 'keymaps' (Archos Recorder, Ondio, H100, H300, iPod, Gigabeat, H10, Sansa?) |
| 21:12:03 | mattzz | Llorean: I am not happy with that list either - a more specific thing would be more helpful |
| 21:12:31 | Llorean | You can test keymaps AND screen dimensions safely on a very limited selection of Sims. |
| 21:12:46 | Llorean | Then you need to test on-target for each of the three architectures, I'd say |
| 21:15:07 | barrywardell | mattzz: solitaire.c uses the menu api. a lot of plugins don't use it but probably should |
| 21:16:34 | barrywardell | and test_disk is another example |
| 21:16:47 | Llorean | Does Jewels us it? |
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| 21:18:37 | barrywardell | no |
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| 21:19:39 | mattzz | mattzz@mcgraw:~/rockbox-dev/rockbox/firmware/export$ grep WIDTH config-* | sort -k 2 |
| 21:19:52 | mattzz | should give a starting point |
| 21:20:25 | Llorean | barrywardell: We should upgrade the API so it can at least do menus like that. It looks a bit nicer than just top-left justified. |
| 21:21:12 | barrywardell | Llorean: I agree. the reason most plugins don't use the menu api is probably because it doesn't look too nice. most plugins opt for a custom, nice looking menu instead |
| 21:21:35 | Llorean | Jewels is still a very basic menu, but it manages to look 'nice enough' I think |
| 21:22:16 | barrywardell | yes, simple but effective |
| 21:22:50 | linuxstb_ | And the reason the Rockbox menus don't look very nice is that people spend their time writing custom menus... |
| 21:23:26 | barrywardell | a flexible (and documented!) menu api would go a long way... |
| 21:23:29 | Llorean | Instead of upgrading the existing one. |
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| 21:26:17 | barrywardell | looks like amiconn created the existing menu api |
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| 21:29:07 | _ke | hi |
| 21:29:15 | _ke | what is the voice-menu feature about? |
| 21:29:47 | Llorean | It reads the menus? |
| 21:30:03 | Llorean | I'm not sure how you can describe what a feature is 'about' |
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| 21:33:05 | _ke | Llorean, how does it work? do i need custom mp3's? |
| 21:33:20 | Soap | It's about 2m high, about 17 stone, and can run about 800 fathoms in one minute. |
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| 21:33:52 | Llorean | _ke: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceHowto |
| 21:33:59 | Soap | sorry |
| 21:34:42 | Llorean | mattzz: Rocklife doesn't seem to work with backdrop images even with _4 |
| 21:35:49 | mattzz | Llorean: thanks for testing. What is the effect? Backdrop not getting cleared? |
| 21:35:56 | mattzz | Llorean: what platform? |
| 21:36:09 | Llorean | mattzz: Gigabeat, and yes, backdrop isn't cleared. |
| 21:36:12 | _ke | Llorean, thanks |
| 21:36:29 | mattzz | Hm, I used something like rb->set_backdrop(NULL) |
| 21:36:38 | _ke | another question: is it possible to add an entry "newest albums?" |
| 21:37:17 | Llorean | _ke: No, though you can do one for albums you haven't listened to yet. |
| 21:37:41 | Llorean | mattzz: I honestly don't know how to override a set backdrop. It may be necessary to set your own. |
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| 21:38:29 | bluebrother | mattzz, tried rb->lcd_set_backdrop(NULL)? |
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| 21:38:36 | Llorean | mattzz: Actually, bubbles does it |
| 21:38:38 | mattzz | That's what all plugins do: rb->lcd_set_backdrop(NULL); |
| 21:38:46 | looperman84 | I need help with rockbox install, can anyone help me |
| 21:39:01 | Llorean | Well, solitaire doesn't clear the backdrop properly, bubbles does. |
| 21:39:01 | * | mattzz has never used backdrops :-p |
| 21:39:20 | Llorean | looperman84: Where in the instructions do you encounter problems? |
| 21:39:38 | mattzz | maybe there is an lcd_update() missing? |
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| 21:39:55 | looperman84 | I dont, it's after I reboot the iPod, it hangs on the loading, and i see a line that says No partition found |
| 21:39:59 | Llorean | mattzz: I may have made a mistake |
| 21:40:06 | Llorean | Somehow it looks like Rocklife didn't get made... |
| 21:40:26 | Llorean | mattzz: Your most recent patch didn't update SOURCES |
| 21:40:27 | looperman84 | i followed instructions perfectly |
| 21:40:35 | linuxstb_ | Do you have an 80GB video ipod? |
| 21:40:40 | looperman84 | no 30 |
| 21:40:54 | linuxstb_ | Which instructions did you follow? |
| 21:41:09 | Llorean | mattzz: Let me go try again, sorry for the mistake |
| 21:41:17 | mattzz | Llorean: I know - because I think that the line in SOURCES was not correct |
| 21:41:21 | linuxstb_ | Sounds like you installed an old version of the bootloader, one before the 5.5g video ipods were supported. |
| 21:41:27 | mattzz | Llorean: no prob |
| 21:41:37 | looperman84 | at first I tried the original instructions, then I saw the link that said they were outdated, I then reformatted the iPod using iTunes and tried the new instructions. still the same thing happens |
| 21:42:15 | linuxstb_ | Where are the "new instructions" you followed? |
| 21:42:24 | looperman84 | let me paste a link |
| 21:42:51 | looperman84 | I used these http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
| 21:43:01 | Llorean | looperman84: And it's a windows formatted iPod? |
| 21:43:19 | looperman84 | yes, I tried on os 10.4 but to no avail |
| 21:44:06 | linuxstb_ | Did you restore it using itunes on OS X, or itunes on Windows? |
| 21:44:14 | looperman84 | windows. |
| 21:44:30 | bluebrother | mattzz, what should be wrong with the SOURCES file? |
| 21:45:00 | Llorean | mattzz: Okay, it works. It was my mistake |
| 21:45:11 | mattzz | I was not quite sure about that particular line |
| 21:45:28 | bluebrother | it needs a bitmap lcd, doesn't it? |
| 21:45:41 | mattzz | yep |
| 21:45:51 | looperman84 | so am I sol with rockbox on my iPod |
| 21:46:06 | linuxstb_ | looperman84: Did ipodpatcher display a prompt asking if you wanted to install the bootloader? |
| 21:46:11 | bluebrother | so just add it in the HAVE_LCD_BITMAP block |
| 21:46:22 | looperman84 | yes it did, but that failed to install also. |
| 21:46:45 | linuxstb_ | What do you mean "failed to install". Did it give an error message? |
| 21:47:02 | looperman84 | yes, it said install failed, or moving image file failed or something of that nature |
| 21:47:29 | linuxstb_ | The _exact_ error would be useful. |
| 21:47:38 | looperman84 | im gonna get that right now |
| 21:48:00 | Soap | oh woe is me - I forgot to start recording and didn't catch the end of my ipod's ~22 hour Apple FW discharge test. :( |
| 21:48:07 | looperman84 | by the way thanks for the help, I really appreciate it. |
| 21:48:11 | mattzz | bluebrother: OK, the old one was #if LCD_DEPTH >= 16 |
| 21:48:12 | mattzz | rockpaint.c |
| 21:48:12 | mattzz | #endif |
| 21:48:12 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK mattzz |
| 21:48:12 | mattzz | - |
| 21:48:12 | mattzz | +rocklife.c |
| 21:48:27 | mattzz | which was not optimal |
| 21:48:36 | bluebrother | right. |
| 21:48:51 | bluebrother | I just added it to the HAVE_LCD_BITMAP to my sources for building |
| 21:49:13 | looperman84 | ok I get, error reading from disk: The parameter is incorrect. |
| 21:49:29 | looperman84 | then it says [err] write failed |
| 21:49:33 | Llorean | mattzz: You can probably put it right after the ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP |
| 21:49:45 | linuxstb_ | looperman84: Is this on Windows or OS X? |
| 21:49:57 | looperman84 | it's on a windows xp computer |
| 21:49:58 | mattzz | Llorean: ok |
| 21:50:16 | linuxstb_ | Are you logged in as administrator? |
| 21:50:34 | looperman84 | it also says [err] image movement failed] : No error [err] −−install failed. Yes I am admin |
| 21:50:42 | Llorean | mattzz: Will it work on the Recorder? |
| 21:51:14 | mattzz | I tested it on the AJR hardware |
| 21:51:35 | linuxstb_ | looperman84: What version number is ipodpatcher displaying, and what are you typing to run it? |
| 21:51:44 | Llorean | mattzz: Then yeah, that's probably where it belongs, I think |
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| 21:52:12 | looperman84 | v0.8 and all i do is double click on it like the instructions say to do |
| 21:56:55 | markun | I just committed the 'Rockboxed' theme to SVN. It would be nice if people could test it on various targets. |
| 21:57:16 | markun | I made a lot of changes and some bugs might have slipped in |
| 21:59:03 | looperman84 | should I try again after letting iTunes restore the iPod |
| 21:59:26 | linuxstb_ | looperman84: Sorry, I've got no more ideas... Does ipodpatcher display your ipod's sector size? It should be either 512 or 2048 |
| 21:59:43 | looperman84 | yea it says 2048 |
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| 22:01:01 | looperman84 | cya later |
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| 22:06:51 | Mikachu | markun: it seems to work on nano, but is there a screenshot to compare to? |
| 22:06:54 | looperman84 | hey linuxstb thanks for everything, I got it working now. I just restored the ipod with itunes and then extracted the needed files, and then ran ipodpatcher again and all worked fine |
| 22:07:12 | Mikachu | markun: it would also be nice if the packaged themes used fonts that support a wider range of characters |
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| 22:07:23 | looperman84 | how do I make the fonts bigger |
| 22:07:35 | TrueJournals | Use a font that is bigger |
| 22:07:51 | fir3 | lol |
| 22:07:57 | looperman84 | where are they located |
| 22:08:06 | Llorean | Mikachu: Right now, we don't include any fonts with Rockbox, yet we include themes that use non-included fonts. |
| 22:08:08 | Llorean | This seems wrong to me. |
| 22:08:18 | Llorean | looperman84: Download the fonts archive from the extras page |
| 22:08:52 | Mikachu | Llorean: the fonts are included in the install process, just not in the same zip file, if you don't install the fonts zip, you haven't installed rockbox completely |
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| 22:09:57 | Genre9mp3 | markun: I see fg/bg colour support in wpsbuild.pl.... nice! :) |
| 22:10:09 | TrueJournals | I guess it's like when you have an installer for software... you have options for "minimal" and "full".. |
| 22:10:16 | markun | Genre9mp3: yes, we should update the other themes |
| 22:10:18 | TrueJournals | just rockbox = minimal, rockbox with fonts = full |
| 22:10:31 | markun | Mikachu: or add glyphs to the fonts! |
| 22:10:31 | Mikachu | in this case unusable and usable |
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| 22:10:49 | TrueJournals | Well, I can use rockbox fine without the fonts pack... |
| 22:10:59 | Llorean | Mikachu: I suppose that's true |
| 22:11:31 | TrueJournals | I guess I think that if you're saying the fonts are required to use rockbox... why not include them with rockbox... |
| 22:12:11 | Llorean | TrueJournals: Because they're only ever required once. |
| 22:12:11 | Mikachu | iirc they were just separated to lighten the load on the server |
| 22:12:23 | Llorean | Downloaded them every single time *greatly* increases bandwidth use. |
| 22:12:28 | Llorean | downloading. |
| 22:13:10 | TrueJournals | Llorean: but when people tell others to update rockbox... they say to first delete the rockbox.whatever file and .rockbox folder... most people don't remember to back things up first (well, at least I don't...) |
| 22:13:20 | markun | Mikachu: http://www.horning.us/Members/Roan/docs/rockbock/wps/ROCKboxed_screenshots/ |
| 22:13:50 | Mikachu | then i believe it looks right |
| 22:14:14 | Mikachu | although i didn't try all modes |
| 22:14:52 | Llorean | TrueJournals: Well, people saying you need to delete anything to update Rockbox are wrong. |
| 22:15:05 | Genre9mp3 | markun: hmm... the script produces .cfg files with fg/bgcolour on ALL targets... do you think it would be easy to do this only for colour targets? |
| 22:15:27 | TrueJournals | Guess so... |
| 22:15:39 | TrueJournals | I've always kind of thought that too... |
| 22:16:03 | Llorean | But even then, just keep a copy of the fonts zip on your computer |
| 22:16:21 | markun | Genre9mp3: hm, didn't think of that. What happens if you include a setting that doesn't exist? |
| 22:17:02 | Genre9mp3 | well, I believe it just ignores it so this is not an _actual_ problem... |
| 22:17:38 | XavierGr | woa! that yellow-orange is way too bright for a WPS background! |
| 22:17:38 | markun | Mikachu: if it looks right it's ok with me. People will report the bugs when they use the Theme. |
| 22:17:38 | markun | XavierGr: don't use it :) |
| 22:17:41 | Mikachu | you don't have to worry about wasting space either, it's allocated in 4 or 32kB increments :) |
| 22:17:43 | XavierGr | of course |
| 22:17:46 | XavierGr | I am just saying |
| 22:18:00 | markun | I think it looks nice |
| 22:18:18 | Mikachu | hm |
| 22:18:19 | markun | XavierGr: it's probably just you and your color-blindness :) |
| 22:18:26 | Mikachu | wouldn't it be good if a wps could set a linespacing? |
| 22:18:31 | Mikachu | that way you could use smaller fonts too |
| 22:18:42 | Mikachu | at least more likely to work |
| 22:19:23 | XavierGr | markun: hehe maybe, actually the WPS isn't bad I just don't like the background colour too much |
| 22:19:46 | markun | XavierGr: I was a bit shocked too when I first saw it :) |
| 22:19:59 | Genre9mp3 | markun: Is it easy to make wpsbuild.pl distinguish colour targets? |
| 22:20:09 | markun | Genre9mp3: I don't know |
| 22:20:26 | markun | this was just a quick copy paste |
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| 22:21:00 | markun | XavierGr: but I think it's a nicer first impression than the current default theme |
| 22:21:08 | perl|perl | that yellow is really ok, it's just on gigabeat the whole thing looks a bit empty |
| 22:21:34 | markun | perl|perl: it's just an initial commit. He was alrady working on adding date-time |
| 22:21:36 | Genre9mp3 | perl|perl: As I can see from the WPSLIST markun made it use nimbus-19 |
| 22:21:57 | markun | talk to you guys later! (movie) |
| 22:21:57 | perl|perl | nimbus looks very good on gigabeat as well |
| 22:21:57 | Genre9mp3 | perl|perl: So I believe it won't be _that_ empty |
| 22:22:30 | perl|perl | Genre9mp3 yeah, author will bring date/time and next track info for future updates |
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| 22:23:03 | * | Genre9mp3 has to pack things... :/ |
| 22:23:24 | XavierGr | sad... |
| 22:23:36 | XavierGr | I hate the military service |
| 22:23:46 | XavierGr | same thing happened to slasheri :P |
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| 22:26:02 | Nico_P | markun: on my gigabeat the progressbar isn't quite right |
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| 22:26:36 | Nico_P | ah crap hadn't seen the movie thing |
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| 22:32:11 | perl|perl | Nico_P ill test in a few |
| 22:32:14 | perl|perl | compiling |
| 22:32:42 | Nico_P | perl|perl: it seems to be one pixel too low |
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| 22:45:40 | perldiver | its taking a while now |
| 22:45:58 | Nico_P | indeed :p |
| 22:46:17 | Nico_P | what are you using to build |
| 22:46:18 | Nico_P | ? |
| 22:46:37 | perldiver | cygwin |
| 22:46:43 | TrueJournals | Use VMWare |
| 22:46:44 | Nico_P | ah |
| 22:46:47 | TrueJournals | MUCH FASTER |
| 22:46:54 | perldiver | everybody's keep telling me that |
| 22:46:55 | perldiver | hehe |
| 22:47:00 | TrueJournals | listen to them ;-) |
| 22:47:04 | perldiver | i just got used to cygwin hehe |
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| 22:47:29 | Nico_P | even better : install linux :) |
| 22:47:36 | TrueJournals | lol |
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| 22:55:51 | amiconn | XavierGr: Which manufacturer do you mean? |
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| 22:58:10 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: I believe he meant the chip manufacturer |
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| 23:00:01 | amiconn | NPC - nippon precision circuits. http://www.npc.co.jp/en/ |
| 23:00:22 | amiconn | That's the one for the newer Ondios |
| 23:00:51 | amiconn | The older ones use a very different chip from Spiex, which will be very hard to find nowadays |
| 23:00:55 | amiconn | *Sipex |
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| 23:06:20 | bk | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6646 |
| 23:06:29 | bk | speex support breaks old wpses |
| 23:06:59 | perldiver | ok lets see |
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| 23:09:32 | perldiver | oh wow its all screwy for me |
| 23:09:38 | perldiver | no proper font loaded |
| 23:09:54 | perldiver | progress bar is miles off from where it belongs |
| 23:10:06 | fasmaie | perldiver: ;) |
| 23:10:22 | Genre9mp3 | perldiver: Gigabeat? |
| 23:10:26 | fasmaie | I've had that happen a couple of times |
| 23:10:48 | perldiver | Genre9mp3 yeah |
| 23:10:55 | Genre9mp3 | you tested the new wps? |
| 23:11:00 | perldiver | yeah |
| 23:11:16 | Genre9mp3 | then you probably don't have nimbus-19 installed |
| 23:11:20 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:11:21 | fasmaie | Makes life interesting −−−− trying to find the right menu item to change the wps |
| 23:11:28 | perldiver | Genre9mp3 i have them |
| 23:11:47 | Genre9mp3 | nimbus-19 was added recently... are you sure you have it? |
| 23:12:03 | TrueJournals | What do I need to install before I can run tools/rockboxdev.sh |
| 23:12:03 | perldiver | sure |
| 23:12:28 | Bagder | TrueJournals: gcc, make etc |
| 23:12:31 | * | Genre9mp3 shrughs |
| 23:12:35 | perldiver | let me force it |
| 23:12:58 | TrueJournals | Bagder: I have gcc... I have make... what else do I need? running it is just failing. |
| 23:13:04 | perldiver | (it doesnt clear the old backdrop either on load) |
| 23:13:05 | Bagder | failing how? |
| 23:13:26 | TrueJournals | "configure: error: C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check" |
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| 23:13:47 | perldiver | Nico_P |
| 23:13:56 | fasmaie | TrueJournals: are you running it as root? |
| 23:13:57 | perldiver | yeah it has one extra pixel |
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| 23:14:06 | TrueJournals | fasmaie, yes |
| 23:14:07 | perldiver | it looks fine with nibus yes |
| 23:14:21 | perldiver | but, again, it wasnt loaded automatically |
| 23:14:25 | Bagder | TrueJournals: that error seems to indicate that your compiler install is weird |
| 23:14:41 | TrueJournals | great :rolleyes: |
| 23:14:52 | | Part fasmaie |
| 23:15:06 | TrueJournals | Bagder: Is there a specific version of gcc I should have? |
| 23:15:11 | Nico_P | perldiver: when i load a theme in the gigabeat sim it doesn't change the font for me too |
| 23:15:24 | Nico_P | but on the real gigabeat it does |
| 23:15:33 | perldiver | im testing again |
| 23:15:36 | linuxstb_ | TrueJournals: What OS are you using? |
| 23:15:41 | Bagder | TrueJournals: nah, native you should be able to use just about any version |
| 23:15:55 | TrueJournals | I'm using a type of debian |
| 23:16:39 | TrueJournals | I realized just now that when I did apt-get install to install gcc... everything except for "libgtk2.0-bin" installed fine, could this be the problem? |
| 23:16:57 | Bagder | and you can build other things fine with gcc? |
| 23:17:07 | TrueJournals | I don't really know... haven't used it... |
| 23:17:27 | linuxstb_ | Did you do "apt-get update" before "apt-get install gcc" ? |
| 23:17:35 | TrueJournals | yes |
| 23:17:54 | Bagder | TrueJournals: and what does 'gcc −−version' say? |
| 23:18:06 | TrueJournals | gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13) |
| 23:19:39 | perldiver | Nico_P noe |
| 23:19:41 | perldiver | nope |
| 23:19:46 | perldiver | doesnt do it for me |
| 23:19:48 | perldiver | no matter what |
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| 23:21:10 | Bagder | TrueJournals: very odd version, what debian is this? Does "/lib/cpp −−version" show the same gcc version? |
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| 23:22:11 | TrueJournals | /lib/cpp −−version shows the same as gcc −−version |
| 23:22:24 | TrueJournals | The debian is called "damnsmalllinux" |
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| 23:23:52 | looper | what video files work on ipod video using rockbox |
| 23:23:59 | TrueJournals | .mpg files |
| 23:24:19 | linuxstb_ | looper: Read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 23:24:42 | linuxstb_ | On the ipod video, you are better off sticking with Apple's firmware for video. |
| 23:25:02 | looper | how do I switch back and forth between firmwares |
| 23:25:41 | linuxstb_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
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| 23:26:49 | looper | thats what i was looking for thanks |
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| 23:29:49 | DataGhost | linuxstb by the way |
| 23:30:03 | DataGhost | iPL isn't responding _at all_ to that changed value in the asm code |
| 23:30:18 | DataGhost | the assembler does complain when I enter something 'bogus', though |
| 23:30:28 | DataGhost | and the code is executed (tested by executing something that would crash the OS) |
| 23:30:35 | DataGhost | it just doesn't listen :( |
| 23:30:55 | DataGhost | even when I set it to (supposedly) 16MB it detects 32 |
| 23:31:32 | DataGhost | so it's going to be a little bit harder for me :P |
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| 23:33:42 | TrueJournals | ah... got rockboxdev.sh working by installing a different version of gcc (one made for damnsmalllinux) |
| 23:36:42 | linuxstb_ | DataGhost: Are you sure the 32MB is "detected", and not just hard-coded somwhere? |
| 23:36:55 | DataGhost | not sure at all |
| 23:37:05 | DataGhost | not sure what to grep at.. so I'm stuck at reading the code |
| 23:37:15 | DataGhost | I guess grepping '32' wouldn't give me very useful results :P |
| 23:38:06 | Bagder | in linux, the memory size on arm is usually passed on using the cmdline |
| 23:38:17 | DataGhost | nope |
| 23:38:18 | DataGhost | else I would have known |
| 23:38:26 | DataGhost | I have also tried that before looking at the code at all |
| 23:38:26 | Bagder | *usually* |
| 23:38:32 | DataGhost | mem=64M crashes linux |
| 23:38:34 | Bagder | :-) |
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| 23:40:02 | linuxstb_ | DataGhost: Is that after you've changed the memory remapping? |
| 23:40:16 | DataGhost | after, before, doesn't matter |
| 23:40:25 | DataGhost | afaik I tried it after |
| 23:40:30 | DataGhost | however you made me doubt |
| 23:40:43 | Bagder | and you did try with something slightly less than 64 too I guess |
| 23:41:07 | mirak | hi |
| 23:41:12 | mirak | mpeg playing works ? |
| 23:41:14 | DataGhost | I tried it with mem=32M@268435456, not really knowing what to enter for the last number |
| 23:41:18 | * | Bagder has no idea about how ipl does things, but works with arm linux fairly often |
| 23:41:22 | DataGhost | so I just entered the base address of the RAM |
| 23:41:34 | DataGhost | haven't tried with mem=32M |
| 23:42:22 | DataGhost | teq ip, #32 * 1048576 |
| 23:42:25 | linuxstb_ | DataGhost: The base address is 0 after it's been remapped. I don't know when in the IPL startup process that happens, but I would guess very early. |
| 23:42:26 | DataGhost | hmmmmmmmmmm |
| 23:42:37 | DataGhost | hm, I should have guessed that |
| 23:42:52 | DataGhost | it happens right at the 'memory size detection' thingy |
| 23:42:58 | DataGhost | that code is the very same in rockbox |
| 23:43:07 | DataGhost | only the comments are different |
| 23:43:22 | DataGhost | looking at the copyrights the asm is a 1:1 copy from iPL |
| 23:44:17 | linuxstb_ | Yes, the crt0-pp.S file states it's based on IPL. |
| 23:44:52 | DataGhost | that teq ip, #32 * 1048576 is for a different cpu :( |
| 23:46:46 | DataGhost | I actually took the time today to rebuild my linux partition |
| 23:47:01 | DataGhost | I finally got sick of the apple OS constantly hibernating over my stuff :( |
| 23:49:41 | * | Genre9mp3 waves to everyone and disconnects... |
| 23:50:35 | DataGhost | mem=32M works, mem=64M doesn't, trying mem=60M now |
| 23:50:45 | | Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") |
| 23:50:50 | DataGhost | doesn't work either |
| 23:51:48 | DataGhost | not even mem=33M |
| 23:53:05 | DataGhost | seems that everything below 32 works |
| 23:56:10 | pixelma | hmm... I don't know if new plugin writers should be pointed to the button actions thing - it is rather hard to use actions there... |
| 23:58:56 | pixelma | and IMO if all plugins would be moved to use this code - it will become messier than it is right now |
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