| 00:00:22 | Albright | Is there a trick to installing WPS screens? I dragged the file and its folder into /.rockbox/wps/ but it's not showing up in Rockbox's theme chooser. |
| 00:00:41 | petur | theme <−−> wps |
| 00:00:49 | Llorean | Albright: Themes and WPSes are not the same thing |
| 00:00:55 | petur | install the complete theme or choose a wps ;) |
| 00:01:33 | DataGhost | hey linuxstb |
| 00:01:40 | DataGhost | you can shoot me in the foot |
| 00:01:43 | DataGhost | .config: #define DRAM_SIZE 0x02000000 |
| 00:01:46 | linuxstb_ | I think plugin actions are possible, they just need more thought. e.g. like core Rockbox, you need different action contexts for different screens in the plugin. So we'll end up with lots of contexts, but I think it will make plugins easier to write and more consistent. |
| 00:01:46 | DataGhost | -_- |
| 00:02:13 | linuxstb_ | I was just wondering if it was in the .config file... |
| 00:02:24 | DataGhost | I figured out through reading the source, heh |
| 00:02:53 | DataGhost | it doesn't work, though |
| 00:04:19 | pixelma | linuxstb: I think you'll end up with a lot of exceptions in the c-file and will have to double check between c-file and pluginlib_actions |
| 00:04:52 | Mikachu | most plugins will be able to use some default stuff, but some will need exceptions |
| 00:05:00 | Mikachu | stuff like sudoku and sokoban should be fine |
| 00:05:06 | linuxstb_ | What kind of exceptions are you talking about? |
| 00:05:39 | Mikachu | well, it depens on if you call a buttonmap only one plugin uses an exception |
| 00:06:25 | pixelma | linuxstb: there already is one exception for the Ondio in bubbles.c although there are only two plugins moved |
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| 00:07:52 | TrueJournals | yay! I have a 778 MB development environment with tons of programs :-p |
| 00:08:39 | pixelma | Mikachu: I'm thinking of how scroll ffwd/back is used. For example it makes sense in Bubbles to use it as left/right to aim but for me it also makes sense to use it as up/down somewhere else |
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| 00:08:48 | DataGhost | I think this will be a slightly harder one, linuxstb... it still works with mem=32M and DRAM_SIZE=0x04000000 but not without mem= or with mem=64M |
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| 00:09:41 | pixelma | as an example |
| 00:09:49 | Mikachu | i'm too tired to think correctly about it now :) |
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| 00:11:16 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: That's what I mean about needing lots of action contexts. I don't think it's a problem to have contexts specifically for one plugin. |
| 00:11:37 | amiconn | What would be the advantage then? |
| 00:11:43 | pixelma | what's the difference then? |
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| 00:12:18 | linuxstb_ | Simpler code? |
| 00:13:06 | linuxstb_ | Makes programmers at least consider using an existing action context for a new plugin... |
| 00:14:01 | Albright | Hmm, okay, I've got this theme working, but the elements on the WPS screen seem to be out of alignment with the background. |
| 00:14:04 | pixelma | I don't know... |
| 00:14:20 | petur | Albright: using the correct font? |
| 00:14:24 | Albright | WPS screen? Is that like a PIN Number on an ATM Machine? |
| 00:14:39 | Albright | Petur: I believe so. How would I confirm that? |
| 00:14:46 | petur | Albright: did you install the fontpack? |
| 00:14:51 | Albright | Yes. |
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| 00:15:05 | Albright | And the theme came with some other fonts. I installed those as well. |
| 00:15:18 | Albright | I'll double check though. |
| 00:15:30 | pixelma | Albright: maybe the theme you want to use needs patches... |
| 00:15:33 | petur | anything special about the theme? maybe requires special patches? |
| 00:16:21 | Albright | It doesn't say it does... |
| 00:16:30 | Albright | The one I'm trying to use is http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g#Ajant_Blue_5g |
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| 00:17:02 | Albright | Yes, fonts are in there. |
| 00:21:04 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: Looking at bubbles, the problem is the "non-Rockbox" opening screen. If it was a menu with a normal options setting for the starting level, and "play game" "show high scores" options, then there wouldn't be a need for the hack for the Ondio. |
| 00:22:34 | JdGordon | linuxstb: well thats easily fixed if its a big problem.... |
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| 00:27:01 | Albright | http://anre.org/crap/Rockbox-Dump.png |
| 00:27:09 | Albright | There's the WPS that's screwing up on me.' |
| 00:27:38 | Mikachu | did you select the theme file or just the wps file when you switched to it? |
| 00:27:47 | linuxstb_ | "You don't have permission to access /crap/Rockbox-Dump.png on this server." |
| 00:27:57 | * | petur has :p |
| 00:28:03 | Albright | I believe the whole theme, since other menus and stuff changed appearance too. |
| 00:28:06 | Albright | linuxstb: Try reloading. |
| 00:30:36 | linuxstb_ | According to this page - http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=320x240x16 - that WPS needs the helvB12 font. Try selecting that font manually. |
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| 00:31:51 | webguest96 | hi |
| 00:32:35 | Albright | linuxstb: Looks like that did it. Thanks. |
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| 00:34:30 | Albright | Now one more pesky question... When I'm using the database, and looking under Albums, why is Rockbox showing some albums as having two copies of each song? |
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| 00:35:46 | linuxstb_ | Do you use a Mac? |
| 00:35:52 | Albright | Yes. |
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| 00:36:11 | Albright | I'll try re-initializing it. |
| 00:36:23 | linuxstb_ | Try running the disktidy plugin first. |
| 00:36:56 | Albright | Whoops, already started. Okay, if this doesn't fix it, I'll try that. |
| 00:37:24 | linuxstb_ | I don;'t know if it's related (I don't use the database), but Mac OS X will put files called (IIRC) ._trackname.mp3 next to trackname.mp3 - maybe the database indexes them. |
| 00:37:26 | Albright | I'm assuming it deletes OS X's annoying hidden resource files? |
| 00:37:58 | linuxstb_ | It does. |
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| 00:41:23 | Albright | Hmm, it looks like just re-initing the database fixed it. |
| 00:41:39 | Albright | But I'll keep that in mind for the next time I'm having a problem. |
| 00:42:18 | Albright | By the way, I tried Rockbox with my NewerTech TRAFFICJamz FM transmitter last night and it worked perfectly. |
| 00:42:36 | Albright | Not sure if that's Rockbox's "fault" that it worked, but if so, awesome. |
| 00:42:46 | Albright | I wasn't expecting it to. |
| 00:44:56 | JdGordon | has anyone else had problems loading a wps from a theme? re fs6640? |
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| 00:46:35 | linuxstb_ | Albright: Thinking about it, I don't think the resource files will be a problem - the database generation code should (hopefully) reject those files as unrecognised. |
| 00:47:09 | Albright | linuxstb_: Yeah, I wasn't thinking the two problems were related... |
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| 00:52:40 | markun | perldiver: you are right, the font is not in the .cfg file, strange.. |
| 00:53:01 | perldiver | to clear the old backdrop would be nice as well |
| 00:54:52 | * | linuxstb hopes he hasn't found a Rockbox FAT bug... |
| 00:55:02 | markun | perldiver: I think I found out what's wrong (stupid copy paste typo) |
| 00:55:53 | perldiver | good, nothing serious then |
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| 00:56:10 | linuxstb | I saved a file (accidentally) as config01.cfgA and then another as config01.cfg. They should have been different (one was a normal .cfg, the other a theme .cfg), but checking them in Linux, they were both identical. I then tried to delete both files in Linux, and now I have a corrupt config01.cfgA entry... |
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| 01:00:58 | JdGordon | linuxstb: are the only settings changed from default the theme ones?> |
| 01:01:10 | JdGordon | that woulc explain why they are the same... but the next bit is just odd |
| 01:01:18 | RasmusseN | I've been thinking lately the Zune would be a very good player if it had rockbox anyone else think? |
| 01:01:22 | JdGordon | dircache enabled? |
| 01:01:38 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I'm sure it's nothing you've done... And no, dircache isn't enabled. |
| 01:01:44 | JdGordon | RasmusseN: no, noeone in this channel thinks... thinking is for the working class... |
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| 01:01:57 | JdGordon | filesystem bug maybe? |
| 01:02:05 | RasmusseN | lol so what class are you? |
| 01:02:14 | JdGordon | the upper class.. duh! |
| 01:02:19 | RasmusseN | lawl |
| 01:02:20 | linuxstb | And yes, it's done it again... |
| 01:03:16 | RasmusseN | the zune + rockbox = sweet |
| 01:03:28 | markun | RasmusseN: really? |
| 01:03:28 | JdGordon | sugar == sweet |
| 01:03:55 | RasmusseN | markun: I would think so |
| 01:04:05 | linuxstb | I wonder if it's a Linux bug, or Rockbox... If I mount my ipod with "-t msdos" (i.e. only showing the shortnames), then the files appear with different (correct) filesizes. Mounting it with "-t vfat", I get the same size for both files. |
| 01:04:09 | RasmusseN | jdGordon sugar is sweet but your not |
| 01:04:30 | markun | RasmusseN: I think it would be a long while before rockbox could use the Zune hardware to it's full potential |
| 01:05:30 | JdGordon | linuxstb did you make the theme the 2nd time or the first time? |
| 01:05:48 | scorche | hmph...anyone have any guesses why the VMware image jumped 165 megs after running rockboxdev.sh and re arranging a few files so it would be concurrent with that script in the future? |
| 01:06:22 | linuxstb | It still has the gcc source somewhere? |
| 01:06:31 | RasmusseN | markun: I've heard the zune is a rebranded Gigabeats which rockbox has been actively developing a port for. |
| 01:06:34 | linuxstb | JdGordon: The theme was the second file I wrote. |
| 01:06:45 | scorche | i deleted it from /root |
| 01:06:54 | linuxstb | RasmusseN: Rockbox runs on different gigabeats to the one similar to the Zune. |
| 01:07:05 | RasmusseN | ahhh |
| 01:07:25 | linuxstb | The S series is similar to the Zune, Rockbox runs on the F and X series. |
| 01:07:27 | safetydan | RasmusseN, plus the parts that make the Zune unique (the WiFi adapter) would take a lot of work to get going in Rockbox |
| 01:07:28 | markun | RasmusseN: ah yes, I've heard about the Gigabeat port :) |
| 01:07:53 | RasmusseN | don't you think it would be worth it to work on the Zune though? |
| 01:08:37 | Llorean | Worth what? |
| 01:08:54 | RasmusseN | worth the work for porting the sunze |
| 01:08:56 | RasmusseN | zune* |
| 01:09:11 | safetydan | Apart from WiFi, what's special about the Zune? |
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| 01:09:25 | Llorean | Wouldn't it be more likely worth it for someone who already has a zune, and wants a Rockbox player, than for people who have one or more Rockbox players that suit their needs well enough? |
| 01:09:31 | RasmusseN | the casing is better than the ipod it's stronger |
| 01:09:44 | RasmusseN | the portrait screen |
| 01:09:46 | safetydan | Rasmussen, that's hardly unique to the Zune |
| 01:09:49 | RasmusseN | it's different |
| 01:09:49 | linuxstb_ | It's got an extremely powerful CPU... |
| 01:10:13 | linuxstb_ | Lots of DSP fun would be possible. |
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| 01:10:22 | linuxstb_ | (there's also an FPU) |
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| 01:10:23 | safetydan | linuxstb_, I already think the GigaBeat is going to be the death of optimisation in Rockbox :) |
| 01:10:31 | safetydan | oo... now an FPU has me interested. |
| 01:10:46 | RasmusseN | what is an FPU? |
| 01:10:52 | scorche | floating point unit |
| 01:11:00 | RasmusseN | hmmm still no idea heh |
| 01:11:06 | scorche | wikipedia |
| 01:11:10 | RasmusseN | kk |
| 01:11:15 | JdGordon | the bit that can count with decimal points :p |
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| 01:11:59 | RasmusseN | ahh i c now |
| 01:12:34 | RasmusseN | who knows the 6G ipod may be what i am looking for |
| 01:12:45 | RasmusseN | but he knows when that is coming out heh |
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| 01:13:12 | linuxstb_ | And the next ipod is likely to be equally as hard to hack as the latest Nano, so don't hold your breath. |
| 01:13:15 | RasmusseN | but the ipod is soo popular so fadish it's annoying |
| 01:13:30 | RasmusseN | why do you need to hack the ipod anyways though? |
| 01:14:00 | safetydan | dear lord... is the Zune CPU really running at greaer than 500 MHz? |
| 01:14:17 | linuxstb_ | RasmusseN: You're in #rockbox... |
| 01:14:21 | linuxstb_ | That's what we do. |
| 01:14:27 | RasmusseN | heh |
| 01:14:44 | RasmusseN | so does rockbox support FLAC? |
| 01:14:45 | markun | safetydan: yes |
| 01:14:50 | EbErT | nyes |
| 01:14:52 | safetydan | RasmusseN, yes |
| 01:14:56 | EbErT | yesyes |
| 01:15:02 | RasmusseN | that's nice but battery life is greatly shortened |
| 01:15:08 | RasmusseN | since the buffer is too small |
| 01:15:15 | markun | safetydan: btw, it has a floating point 'vector' unit |
| 01:15:39 | safetydan | markun, I noticed that qualifier while looking at the specs of the CPU. |
| 01:15:49 | linuxstb_ | RasmusseN: Yes, but FLAC is also very efficient in terms of CPU usage, so it's not that bad. |
| 01:15:50 | Llorean | RasmusseN: But FLACs are computationally simpler to decode, so it balances out to an extent. |
| 01:16:05 | markun | and some hardware support for video de- and encoding, but I don't know exactly how easy that is to use |
| 01:16:05 | RasmusseN | so is it easier than ALAC? |
| 01:16:42 | RasmusseN | is it even worth using lossless on a portable setup anyways? |
| 01:16:42 | linuxstb_ | In theory, slightly easier. In practice, Rockbox's FLAC decoder is much more optimised than its ALAC decoder. |
| 01:17:05 | RasmusseN | i c |
| 01:17:19 | safetydan | RasmusseN, in general, no it's not worth using lossless on a portable unit. |
| 01:17:24 | RasmusseN | i c |
| 01:17:38 | RasmusseN | i've seen some pretty crazy portable setups though |
| 01:18:34 | RasmusseN | ipods with the imod and a portable amp plus a nice pair of IEM |
| 01:19:15 | Llorean | Even then, properly encoded lossy files should be more than good enough, barring artifacts. |
| 01:19:19 | linuxstb_ | safetydan: It depends on your reasons. For me, I use FLAC because it's easier not to have to transcode, and I can live with the reduced capacity and battery life. |
| 01:19:48 | Llorean | That's the same reason I use FLAC. |
| 01:20:17 | Llorean | The 'I'm lazy, and only use my MP3 player for 6 hours or less between having access to somewhere I can charge' excuse |
| 01:20:28 | RasmusseN | that would be tight if the zune could receive music from your computer lets say wirelessly |
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| 01:21:22 | RasmusseN | almost all my music on my computer is lossy either ALAC or FLAC so if i got a portable setup it would be easier if the portable player already supported those. |
| 01:22:10 | safetydan | linuxstb_, horses for courses of course |
| 01:22:34 | RasmusseN | i could always have a lossy library and lossless library of both one for home and one for portable but that would take up more HD space and kinda be a waste. |
| 01:22:39 | linuxstb_ | safetydan: Of course. I'm just saying audio quality isn't the only reason for FLAC. |
| 01:23:16 | RasmusseN | 320kbps MP3 sounds decent but just lifeless and flat compared to lossless |
| 01:23:18 | busa_blade | all, I was seeing if it would be possible to split the jpeg plugin off into a directory called image_viewer? |
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| 01:23:36 | busa_blade | that way more capability could be added |
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| 01:24:01 | RasmusseN | is there anyway around the Zune Marketplace? if anyone knows btw |
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| 01:24:06 | safetydan | RasmusseN, have you actually ABX'd your opinion on that? |
| 01:24:18 | RasmusseN | on what? |
| 01:24:24 | RasmusseN | 320kbps vs lossless? |
| 01:24:28 | safetydan | RasmusseN, yes |
| 01:24:29 | RasmusseN | yes |
| 01:24:46 | safetydan | Well that makes you a step ahead of most people who claim to hear a difference :) |
| 01:24:49 | Llorean | RasmusseN: A proper ABX? What tool did you use? |
| 01:24:50 | RasmusseN | idk if i could tell on a portable setup though as my home setup is higher quality |
| 01:25:11 | RasmusseN | i ripped two albums one lossless one mp3 320kbps |
| 01:25:13 | markun | busa_blade: how far did you get? |
| 01:25:15 | * | safetydan can only tell below 160 kbps if it's encoded with lame |
| 01:25:34 | BigMac | anyone here use ubuntu? |
| 01:25:36 | RasmusseN | what kind of audio setup do you have though? |
| 01:25:44 | busa_blade | BigMac: I do |
| 01:25:55 | Llorean | RasmusseN: Just comparing two albums isn't what 'ABX' means. |
| 01:26:19 | RasmusseN | well if i was able to tell from two different albums i'd say it was noticable enough |
| 01:26:24 | busa_blade | I think it is ready to put into the main tree but I would need someone else to look at it and possibly upload it |
| 01:26:29 | safetydan | RasmussenN, Sony MDR-V6 headphones with an iRiver H120 |
| 01:26:49 | Llorean | busa_blade: Have you simply posted it as a patch to the tracker? |
| 01:27:09 | RasmusseN | safterydan: that is actually a pretty good audio setup doesn't that player have optical out? |
| 01:27:09 | busa_blade | not yet |
| 01:27:28 | safetydan | RasmusseN, yes it does, but I've never used it. |
| 01:27:29 | busa_blade | because I am not sure how to do it because it is very different |
| 01:27:35 | BigMac | busa_blade, pm'd |
| 01:27:38 | busa_blade | I moved it into a directory |
| 01:27:43 | Llorean | RasmusseN: I've met people who claim they can hear the difference between FLAC and the original. Unless you're doing actual blind testing, it really doesn't mean much. The placebo effect is startlingly strong. |
| 01:27:43 | markun | safetydan: do you use the noisy headphone amp of the iriver? |
| 01:28:00 | busa_blade | and split the code into 4 files |
| 01:28:01 | safetydan | markun, yup |
| 01:28:16 | busa_blade | 2 headers and two c files |
| 01:28:40 | markun | safetydan: normally I don't even notice it, until a song stops and you keep hearing the noise |
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| 01:28:44 | linuxstb_ | busa_blade: Just tar/zip the new directory and upload it. Or do "svn add" with the new files/directory and then an "svn diff" |
| 01:28:53 | RasmusseN | llorean i renamed them mixed them and randomed them and played them and wrote down what i thoguht was the mp3 and the lossless. |
| 01:29:09 | safetydan | markun, I'm rarely listening loud enough to notice any amp noise |
| 01:29:10 | busa_blade | wouldn't I need svn privileges? |
| 01:29:19 | busa_blade | I am used to cvs, so I don't specifically know |
| 01:29:25 | linuxstb_ | I don't think so. Try it. |
| 01:29:29 | busa_blade | ok |
| 01:29:35 | linuxstb_ | svn does more locally than cvs. |
| 01:29:46 | safetydan | busa_blade, no you can do those things with subversion without commit rights |
| 01:29:51 | RasmusseN | after the test most of my answers were correct. |
| 01:30:01 | markun | RasmusseN: that sucks then :) |
| 01:30:02 | RasmusseN | and i am not even that crazy into audio |
| 01:30:12 | RasmusseN | i've seen people tell the difference between cables |
| 01:30:19 | markun | or don't you mind your music sounding flat and lifeless? |
| 01:30:20 | busa_blade | oh great |
| 01:30:34 | Llorean | safetydan: Actually, on the H120 I find I hear a lot of hiss at _low_ volumes with my in-ear phones. =/ |
| 01:30:36 | RasmusseN | i like my music to sound the same as the cd |
| 01:30:36 | busa_blade | I did a add... do I need to commit? |
| 01:30:37 | Soap | Albright: are you still here? and do you have a wiki account? |
| 01:31:08 | EbErT | i had an iriver cd mp3player that sounded amazing |
| 01:31:13 | linuxstb_ | busa_blade: I thought you were just creating a patch? |
| 01:31:34 | safetydan | Llorean, well that's crap. The only problem I have with the H120 is the damn ticking with the remote. Which basically means I've given up using that. |
| 01:31:36 | Soap | everyone else, I made a new wikipage http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories - hopefully we can build a table of known-good and known-bad behaving iPod Accessories with Rockbox. |
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| 01:31:54 | busa_blade | well, someone said that if I wanted to break the file up, then I would need to put it in it's own directory |
| 01:32:06 | BigMac | busa_blade, You going to read my pm? |
| 01:32:14 | RasmusseN | what would you guys get ipod 5.5gen 30GB, zune, or zen vision m? |
| 01:32:30 | markun | RasmusseN: I know a guy with perfect pitch hearing. More a curse than anything else. |
| 01:32:34 | safetydan | busa_blade, you won't be able to commit. You just need to create a diff now (with svn diff) and the create a patch task in flyspray and add your patch there. |
| 01:32:35 | busa_blade | BigMac, I responded |
| 01:32:39 | JdGordon | the ipod, or the zune to get the port goingin |
| 01:32:45 | Llorean | safetydan: I only hear the hiss with one pair of earphones, but it happens on both the H120 and the iFP-799. Other devices have varying amounts of hiss (The gigabeat and AJBR surprisingly have none) |
| 01:32:52 | linuxstb_ | RasmusseN: Gigabeat F/X from what I've heard. |
| 01:32:55 | markun | RasmusseN: I wouldn't buy any of those |
| 01:33:12 | Soap | Llorean: your lowest impedance headphones? |
| 01:33:19 | Llorean | Soap: Yeah |
| 01:33:24 | RasmusseN | markun: why? btw i agree heh people with golden ears have it hard |
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| 01:33:37 | Llorean | markun: I kinda wish my hearing would get a little bit worse, there are certain day to day noises nobody else can hear that I'd like to not hear either. |
| 01:33:55 | Presence | voices in yer head driving you nuts again? |
| 01:33:58 | EbErT | im recording lp's into ogg vorbis right now, i don't mind a lil hiss or pop |
| 01:34:05 | RasmusseN | presense: LOL |
| 01:34:18 | RasmusseN | Presence* |
| 01:34:21 | Soap | I want to find out what frequency the noise from my truck's strobe controller is - I'm the only one who can hear it - but I never considered my HF hearing all that good. |
| 01:34:33 | markun | RasmusseN: because I like rockbox a lot and it doesn't run optimal on the ipod and not at all on the others |
| 01:34:44 | busa_blade | BigMac: ? |
| 01:34:49 | EbErT | what do you have, markun? |
| 01:34:57 | EbErT | i agree it still doesnt run real well on ipod |
| 01:35:08 | RasmusseN | markun: but why does an ipod need rockbox? |
| 01:35:09 | markun | EbErT: iriver H120, but I now only have my Gigabeat F40 with me |
| 01:35:13 | EbErT | gettin there tho |
| 01:35:25 | Presence | an ipod **needs** rockbox because iTunes is awful. |
| 01:35:29 | markun | RasmusseN: because my music is in Ogg :) |
| 01:35:35 | markun | well, Vorbis |
| 01:35:36 | Presence | because one should be able to have a hard drive that happens to play MP3s. |
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| 01:35:59 | EbErT | can you suggest an alternative to itunes for mac Presence ? |
| 01:36:00 | RasmusseN | markun: ahh Presence: there is already ways around iTunes. |
| 01:36:03 | linuxstb_ | It's depressing that the Gigabeat's 300MHz CPU has longer battery life than ipods running Apple's firmware... |
| 01:36:09 | Presence | sure: the file system and macamp. |
| 01:36:18 | EbErT | macamp? |
| 01:36:32 | markun | linuxstb_: lets hope we find the problem some day.. |
| 01:36:52 | JdGordon | can anyone with a 5g ipod please try one of the themes mentioned at the end of fs6640 and tell me if you have a problem loading them/ |
| 01:36:52 | saratoga | how big is the gigabeat battery in mah? |
| 01:36:53 | JdGordon | ? |
| 01:36:56 | Presence | or whatever player floats yer boat. |
| 01:37:11 | RasmusseN | itunes is decent but the zune marketplace is bad :( |
| 01:37:15 | EbErT | there aren't any decent ones, is the problem |
| 01:37:16 | Presence | the only people who like iTunes are people who are forced to use iTunes. |
| 01:37:19 | BigMac | busa_blade, I sent you a message |
| 01:37:30 | RasmusseN | I use Foobar 2k :D |
| 01:37:34 | busa_blade | BigMac: I responded... did you get it? |
| 01:37:47 | Soap | enough iTunes bashing for the night - eh? This is #Rockbox, not #AntiItunes. |
| 01:37:50 | EbErT | im forced, but i HATE the control it takes over sorting files |
| 01:37:55 | Presence | I use winamp or x11amp with my IR serial receiver with my home stereo remote. |
| 01:37:58 | Presence | its pure love. |
| 01:38:42 | RasmusseN | heh |
| 01:38:45 | Presence | and mirrored to my 60gb ipod is my music collection, same playlists, so at work I'm just as happy. |
| 01:39:04 | Presence | gdi, I <3 rockbox. I bought the ipod as soon as the 5thgen was supported. |
| 01:39:16 | EbErT | it works well for you? |
| 01:39:17 | RasmusseN | presence have you disabled the windows mixer yet? with the winamp plugin? |
| 01:39:29 | busa_blade | BigMac: Can you see this? |
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| 01:39:39 | safetydan | Llorean, those flyspray tasks you have raised against Speex, could you add a comment describing the details of the files that have problems, e.g. whether their VBR or CBR, narrow-band, wide-band, or UWB, frequency, and filesize? |
| 01:39:48 | Presence | no, my computer's audio is fixed to full 100%, and everything runs through my living room system's amp. |
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| 01:40:00 | BigMac | busa_blade, Yes |
| 01:40:02 | Presence | I can't stand having like 30 different volume sliders everywhere. |
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| 01:40:07 | safetydan | The one person in the forums who reported a problem says the update to Speex 1.2beta1 fixed their problem. |
| 01:40:20 | Presence | including WoW and ventrilo and whatever, screw that... let the mixer in my home amp figure it out. |
| 01:40:24 | safetydan | But I know it didn't work for everyone. |
| 01:40:50 | busa_blade | BigMac: forgive me, it's been years since I irc'd... I thought I was responding... you didn't get it? |
| 01:40:59 | Llorean | safetydan: They're made with the command line encoder, without paramters, off of a 16khz mono file. |
| 01:41:19 | BigMac | no not in the message |
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| 01:42:24 | safetydan | Llorean, okay, so that's just weird then as they should be CBR wideband, and my test files for that play fine. |
| 01:42:40 | RasmusseN | i want a portable setup :( but i can't decide on one heh |
| 01:42:45 | * | safetydan wonders if it's the Speex ogg parser doing something funny on larger files |
| 01:43:11 | Llorean | safetydan: The file is definitely 'larger' |
| 01:43:33 | Llorean | The first noise is at 4 minutes, 25 seconds. The file itself is 7 hours (~85mb) |
| 01:43:39 | busa_blade | I think it is the whole registering you nick thing... I don't know how.. |
| 01:43:51 | busa_blade | BigMac: I think it is the whole registering you nick thing... I don't know how.. |
| 01:44:14 | linuxstb_ | `RasmusseN: Do you want to run Rockbox? If so, then the players with Coldfire CPUs (iaudio X5, iriver H3x0/H1x0) or the Gigabeat F/X are probably the best options. |
| 01:44:31 | safetydan | Llorean, okay, I'll try large files when I get a chance then |
| 01:44:57 | Llorean | safetydan: I'll encode some shorter files later and see what happens. Have you tested for playing very slightly faster than realtime? |
| 01:45:14 | BigMac | ah busa_blade then just join #aldkakae |
| 01:45:39 | safetydan | llorean, no not yet. The test files I have are too short for that to be noticeable |
| 01:46:04 | Llorean | safetydan: If you get the two files exactly in sync, they'll fall out of sync within 15 seconds. |
| 01:46:44 | linuxstb_ | Llorean: Have you tried that test with any other codecs? |
| 01:46:59 | Llorean | linuxstb_: Let me go do that |
| 01:47:48 | safetydan | Okay, I'll look for that as well. I wonder if the speex metadata reader getting the sample rate wrong would lead to that happening? |
| 01:49:05 | Llorean | Well, with AAC at least, the problem is at the very least not noticeable across 1 minute of playback. |
| 01:49:58 | Llorean | safetydan: I'd imagine that could do it. |
| 01:50:31 | RasmusseN | linuxstb_ I honestly don't care as long as the portable player is good i find the ipod firmware fine now but that's just me |
| 01:51:26 | RasmusseN | the ipod is too popular and fadish for me I want something different. |
| 01:51:31 | RasmusseN | kinda heh |
| 01:51:35 | linuxstb_ | RasmusseN: Then you're asking in the wrong place - the answers you get here will be Rockbox-biased. |
| 01:51:40 | RasmusseN | heh |
| 01:51:57 | Llorean | safetydan: Wouldn't it show the wrong frequency in the ID3 info then? |
| 01:52:05 | RasmusseN | if i could get around the zune marketplace i'd consider the zune |
| 01:52:16 | RasmusseN | the ipod you can already get around iTunes. |
| 01:52:42 | RasmusseN | the 3 i am looking at are the ipod 5.5 30GB, zune, and zen vision m |
| 01:52:51 | safetydan | Llorean, probably, but maybe it does something funny with the sample rate before configuring the DSP |
| 01:52:59 | Llorean | Maybe |
| 01:53:29 | Llorean | safetydan: The noises I hear are also perfectly reproduceable on my gigabeat. I can fast forward to that point in the file, and they happen, that simply |
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| 01:54:06 | Llorean | I'll see if I can come up with a smaller file that does it. |
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| 01:57:49 | scorche | Llorean: do you think i should upload the newimage even though it is much larger and just figure out the reason later? |
| 01:58:46 | Llorean | scorche: I think Rockboxdev.sh downloads the sources somewhere else. When it wouldn't work for me because I didn't have BZIP2, it made me delete the folder, but it didn't have to redownload binutils despite that |
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| 01:59:21 | scorche | hmmm....i deleted the obvious folders |
| 01:59:31 | scorche | maybe i should wait till Bagder wakes |
| 01:59:46 | Llorean | Good idea. |
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| 02:01:07 | scorche | maybe i could just fill the empty space with zeros and see how that does |
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| 02:03:43 | Llorean | Wow, Speex boost ratio isn't bad on the Nano |
| 02:04:02 | Llorean | ~19% from the looks of it. |
| 02:08:56 | safetydan | Llorean, the library as fairly extensive arm optimisations already, so I'm not surprised. |
| 02:09:49 | Llorean | safetydan: Just for testing's sake I reproduced both bugs on the Nano and the H120. |
| 02:11:07 | * | Llorean wonders if the 45% boost ratio on the H120 is mitigated by the fact that it'll only hit the HD something like once every 3 hours. |
| 02:11:34 | * | linuxstb confirms the Rockbox FAT bug... |
| 02:11:52 | safetydan | linuxstb, ouch that's bad |
| 02:12:03 | Llorean | The Rockbox FAT bug? |
| 02:12:12 | safetydan | Llorean, thanks for that. Pretty safe to say there's a problem :) |
| 02:12:19 | linuxstb | Llorean: the bug I mentioned earlier... |
| 02:12:29 | Llorean | linuxstb: Ah |
| 02:12:47 | Llorean | safetydan: I figured I ought to test it on a different architecture, at the very least. |
| 02:13:08 | linuxstb | I can reliably repeat it (on both an ipod and my h140), and it confuses Linux, Mac OS X and WinXP. |
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| 02:18:45 | Albright | Soap: Sorry, I was AFK, and if you mean the Rockbox wiki, no. |
| 02:19:36 | Soap | no biggie - just curious - I started a wikipage (been meaning to) of ipod accessories, and if they work or not - was going to put your WikiName in there for the FM transmitter, charger. |
| 02:19:59 | Soap | I'd still like to add your real name and the actual model number to the page, if you don't mind. |
| 02:21:26 | Albright | Okay. My real name is Garrett Albright. |
| 02:21:40 | Albright | I don't think it has a model number; it's just the NewerTech TRAFFICJamz. |
| 02:21:51 | Albright | Except for the two colors (black and white), there's only one model of it. |
| 02:22:14 | Albright | And I actually wrote a review of it when I was using it with my non-Rockbox'd nano, before it broke. |
| 02:22:34 | Albright | http://raygunrobot.com/index.php?/archives/Review-NewerTech-TRAFFICJamz.html |
| 02:23:05 | Albright | I was planning on adding a note about the Rockbox compatibility to the review later. |
| 02:23:35 | Albright | I'm now using a 30GB Video, if it matters. |
| 02:23:50 | Soap | cool, the reason I asked about model numbers is some companies (belkin) have a bad habit of releasing multiple hardware revisions under the same name. |
| 02:24:06 | Soap | /shouldn't/ matter. |
| 02:24:41 | busa_blade | quick question about patching |
| 02:25:20 | busa_blade | should the syntax be "svn diff file1 > file1.patch" |
| 02:25:32 | linuxstb | Soap: It could be useful to keep track of which ipods accessories were tested on. Nothing surprises me about Apple.... |
| 02:25:41 | Mikachu | busa_blade: svn diff -pud gives a nicer patch |
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| 02:25:52 | Soap | can do linuxstb. |
| 02:26:01 | Soap | Albright: nano and video both work? |
| 02:26:40 | linuxstb | Soap: I'm just thinking that it's easier to delete later if it proves useless information, then to try and recollect it. |
| 02:26:46 | Soap | very true. |
| 02:27:33 | linuxstb | busa_blade: Just "svn diff > mypatch" will produce a diff of everything that's changed in the current directory and any subdirectories. |
| 02:27:56 | Mikachu | at least give -p , it puts function names on the @@ lines |
| 02:28:23 | Albright | Soap: I did not try Rockbox on the nano with the transmitter. |
| 02:28:52 | Soap | cool |
| 02:29:04 | Albright | Also, I haven't tested Car Adapter Mode yet, but I know that the iPod was properly charging with the adapter, so I imagine it'd work. |
| 02:29:05 | busa_blade | ok |
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| 02:29:52 | linuxstb | Albright: Did Rockbox detect the charger? If it's "firewire" (i.e. uses the 12V pins), it may not. |
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| 02:31:28 | Albright | linuxstb: Yes, it did. |
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| 02:58:55 | busa_blade | put my patch into flyspray |
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| 03:03:14 | BigMac | busa_blade, got time still? |
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| 03:06:20 | BigMac | ? |
| 03:07:51 | busa_blade | BigMac: sure |
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| 03:22:41 | webguest09 | Hey, everyone. Can I get write access to TWiki? Name=Nathan Hale Thanks |
| 03:28:17 | linuxstb | webguest09: Done. |
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| 03:31:43 | webguest09 | linuxstb: Thanks |
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| 04:00:48 | looperman | I need some info about some of the settings in rockbox |
| 04:01:24 | looperman | what does scroll step size mean? |
| 04:01:51 | looperman | and with the speed does it go faster with the higher number or smaller number? |
| 04:02:45 | Llorean | The features are described in the manual |
| 04:02:49 | Llorean | Higher number is faster, though. |
| 04:03:25 | midgey | Llorean: h100s can't detect select + left correct? |
| 04:03:38 | Llorean | midgey: Nope. The only button that can be combined is Play. |
| 04:04:27 | midgey | ok, im going to have play be fire in invadrox |
| 04:04:39 | midgey | that way the user can move and fire at the same time |
| 04:04:47 | Llorean | That ought to work. |
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| 04:04:58 | Llorean | It's really not that badly placed as long as you're using two hands. |
| 04:05:46 | midgey | ok, if someone yells, i may revert it, but it seems to make sense to be able to fire and move |
| 04:05:57 | Llorean | Definitely. |
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| 04:17:25 | safetydan | Now if only you could fix the blurry screen on the H120, then invadrox would be complete |
| 04:17:42 | Llorean | If only that were fixable, 'eh? |
| 04:18:11 | safetydan | It's about the only thing I don't like on h120 |
| 04:21:26 | Llorean | Doesn't affect me 90% of the time, but that other 10% is still there |
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| 04:30:12 | blind | Hey, I just downloaded the Ajant Blue theme from rockbox-themes.org, and it's not working? it changes everything except the now playing screen... |
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| 04:33:17 | blind | Hm, it works if i select it from the file view, just not from the browse themes section |
| 04:33:27 | blind | BigMac: you're from connecticut? |
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| 04:56:38 | trip_ | hihi, whats the best way to check programatically that the rockbox bootloader is enabled |
| 04:57:06 | trip_ | i dont want to be in the situation where a user is using the apple bootloader, but has left rockbox firmware on their device |
| 04:57:49 | trip_ | since the existance of the rockbox firmware seems to be the only way i can check for rockbox |
| 04:58:29 | trip_ | unless someone can suggest a better way to check whether the device is using rockbox or not, (or has the firmware on there but is using the apple bootloader for whatever reason) |
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| 04:58:55 | Llorean | triplah: You *can* read the contents of the firmware partition. |
| 04:59:05 | Llorean | But that's only an option on iPods. |
| 04:59:30 | Llorean | Since each Rockbox target has a different sort of bootloader, the methods for checking would be different on each, and in a few cases it's impossible (h100/h300) |
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| 05:00:04 | triplah | Llorean: the code i'm writing is specifically for rockboxed ipods, but i would like to generalise it later |
| 05:00:27 | Llorean | triplah: What are you trying to do? |
| 05:01:18 | triplah | Llorean: my media player of choice gets dbus information saying an ipod has been plugged in and tries to treat it like an ipod |
| 05:01:50 | triplah | i've written a hack to get around it, but now i'm working on something that will hopefully get included in the main source |
| 05:02:52 | Llorean | Well if you look at iPodpatcher, it has a lot of code for detecting iPods, determining what model of iPod there is, and scanning the firmware partition of the iPod for the presence of a bootloader (though it doesn't identify what kind of bootloader in regards to Rockbox vs iPodLinux) |
| 05:03:49 | triplah | ah ok, thanks |
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| 05:14:17 | JdGordon | midgey: shouldnt your commit be done for the h300 also? |
| 05:14:46 | midgey | i was wondering that, the reason i changed it for the h100 is for hardware reasons |
| 05:14:59 | midgey | on h300, you can move and press navi |
| 05:15:15 | JdGordon | hmm... yeah, i just checked and you can :) |
| 05:15:25 | JdGordon | that was the first time i ever played invadrox actually :p |
| 05:15:35 | midgey | :P |
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| 05:21:37 | JdGordon | can anyone think of a good reason to not remove the properties menu item from the playlist viewer? |
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| 05:29:12 | midgey | bah |
| 05:29:22 | * | midgey made a red build |
| 05:29:32 | JdGordon | naughty naughty! :D |
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| 05:32:42 | JdGordon | Llorean: do you think the "file options" menu in the playlist viewer is needed? I rekon it should be removed, and the items that actually are useful should be moved up to the actual playlist viewer context menu |
| 05:33:25 | JdGordon | infact.. there are no items which should be accessable from the playist viewer except playlist catalog in that menu |
| 05:34:02 | Llorean | Yeah, I think the 'File Options' can be removed entirely |
| 05:34:25 | Llorean | I'd be surprised if any of those worked. |
| 05:35:32 | midgey | it froze my h300 when i just tried it out... |
| 05:35:54 | JdGordon | the only one that actually crashes is properties... |
| 05:36:02 | JdGordon | the others whould work, but not as expected... |
| 05:36:06 | midgey | which is what i tried |
| 05:36:27 | Llorean | I'd say get rid of it entirely. |
| 05:37:19 | JdGordon | done... but I tihnk the catalog options should be put there |
| 05:37:20 | JdGordon | because they can actually be useful |
| 05:37:48 | Llorean | Probably |
| 05:39:26 | midgey | are the file options useful for a user in database mode or not so much? |
| 05:40:08 | Llorean | About as useful (or not) as they are in file mode, I think. |
| 05:40:56 | JdGordon | yeah, i doubt they are |
| 05:41:11 | JdGordon | I cant imagine the copy/cut/paste options would work |
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| 05:41:47 | Llorean | Not too much you could do with them |
| 05:41:55 | Llorean | You can't paste into another category in the database. |
| 05:42:48 | midgey | fair enough |
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| 05:43:31 | JdGordon | also, does the exiting as soon as you leave one of the options bother anyone else? |
| 05:43:36 | JdGordon | in the playlist viewer context menu |
| 05:44:56 | pi- | are fonts on rockbox antialiased? |
| 05:45:05 | Llorean | pi-: No. |
| 05:45:26 | Llorean | JdGordon: I don't really use that feature. :) |
| 05:45:38 | midgey | JdGordon: never noticed before, but it is a bit annoying |
| 05:48:13 | JdGordon | Llorean: neither do I but in the 3min ive been playing with it ive found it bloody annoying :p |
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| 05:54:49 | Llorean | safetydan: I had no problems reproducing the 'plays too fast' bug on a much shorter file. The noises didn't happen, so I'm gonna encode some more tests, I suppose. |
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| 05:56:54 | safetydan | Llorean, still at work so I haven't had a chance to look at it yet. More test data is good though. |
| 05:57:21 | Llorean | safetydan: Just figured I'd let you know. I didn't even expect you to see it any time soon, heh. |
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| 06:00:22 | safetydan | Did we just get a drive by "antialiasing" question? |
| 06:00:31 | Llorean | Yes |
| 06:00:39 | Llorean | And no argument, or 'why not?' or anything |
| 06:00:44 | safetydan | very odd |
| 06:01:32 | Llorean | I'm kinda confused, honestly. I guess it was someone who doesn't actually use it yet. |
| 06:08:36 | * | Llorean thinks it takes too long to encode a 7 hour spx file |
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| 06:51:11 | laughoutloud | Why doesn't rockbox remember the backdrop image, even if it saved in the backdrop folder? |
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| 06:53:59 | laughoutloud | hello, has anyone encounterd any problems like this? |
| 06:55:07 | laughoutloud | anyone out there |
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| 06:55:54 | safetydan | No patience these days. |
| 06:57:24 | safetydan | laughinbox: I haven't heard of people with that particular problem, but then again I don't use backdrops. |
| 06:58:01 | laughinbox | I changed because I thouhgt my browser wasn't working |
| 06:58:03 | decayedcell | laughoutloud: working fine on my 5.5G ipod |
| 06:58:10 | laughinbox | sorry didn't mean to sound pushy |
| 06:58:25 | laughinbox | how did you do it decayedcell |
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| 06:59:36 | laughinbox | I tried to save the file in the backdrops folder and still nothing. I turn off the iPod and turn it back on and the image is diffrent |
| 06:59:52 | laughinbox | I used an iPod video 30Gb |
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| 07:00:23 | Llorean | What folder, exactly, do you save it in, and what filename? |
| 07:00:58 | laughinbox | I saved it in .rockbox/backdrops/darth vader.bmp |
| 07:01:24 | laughinbox | it's also saved in on the root under pics |
| 07:01:28 | safetydan | laughinbox: maybe try it without a space? Though it'd be weird if that was the problem. |
| 07:01:46 | Llorean | laughinbox: Which one did you select with 'set as backdrop'? |
| 07:02:03 | laughinbox | the one in pics folder |
| 07:02:09 | Llorean | You have to actually browse to the one in /.rockbox/backdrops/ for it to work. |
| 07:02:23 | laughinbox | ohh, maybe that's the problem. |
| 07:02:29 | laughinbox | I'll try that right now |
| 07:05:07 | laughinbox | alright it worked like a charm, thank you Llorean. You are (in nacho libre's voice) "the best!" |
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| 07:06:53 | laughinbox | I got this really kick ass darth pic. I used it on the Zune. I got really happy when I was reading the manual and saw that I could change the background image so I usd the Vader |
| 07:07:26 | laughinbox | well c-yall later I am going to bed because I got class in the morning. |
| 07:08:13 | laughinbox | does anyone know how to overclock an asus mother board with an AMD XP Athlon 3200+ |
| 07:08:25 | Llorean | laughinbox: This is #Rockbox, not a general hardware channel. |
| 07:08:42 | laughinbox | just thought I ask, sorry |
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| 07:18:15 | Llorean | It seems difficult to clear the backdrop with the new settings method |
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| 07:24:24 | cjflashman | is it possible to usee apple os on a 5.5g with loader2.5d5? |
| 07:26:15 | safetydan | cjflashman, you might have more luck asking on an iPodLinux forum as loader2 isn't Rockbox code. |
| 07:27:09 | cjflashman | oh, right.. |
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| 07:32:50 | Llorean | safetydan: The pops may just be a case of a problem file. :( I'm listening to a new long file now, and ~8 minutes in, no noises yet. |
| 07:42:23 | safetydan | Llorean, well that's good for me as it means less work :) |
| 07:42:32 | Llorean | safetydan: Well, the file still plays fine on the PC |
| 07:42:58 | Llorean | So there's something wrong, it's just hard to create a sample file that demonstrates it since it seems to be less than common. |
| 07:43:37 | safetydan | Go to go. |
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| 07:53:22 | JdGordon | does anyone know the svn command to make $Id$ work? |
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| 08:12:59 | amiconn | mo0ning |
| 08:15:32 | JdGordon | morning |
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| 08:18:11 | amiconn | JdGordon: For $Id$ to work, you need to set the svn:keywords property properly |
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| 08:19:07 | JdGordon | how? |
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| 08:29:40 | safetydan | JdGordon, svn setprops I believe |
| 08:31:28 | safetydan | something like svn setprop svn:keywords Id <file> |
| 08:31:47 | JdGordon | ok, ta |
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| 08:35:21 | amiconn | JdGordon: svn propset svn:keywords "Author Date Id Revision" |
| 08:35:42 | amiconn | This is the standard setting for all cvs imported files |
| 08:36:07 | amiconn | All textual source files of course |
| 08:36:34 | JdGordon | yeah, ok, ill do that to the files ive added since svn |
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| 08:55:01 | JdGordon | does anyone have an idea how to add a way for set_int() to ask for the lang to talk for the setting? |
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| 09:06:56 | safetydan | Random question. How many people have commit rights to Rockbox? |
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| 09:08:35 | B4gder | about 40 |
| 09:08:58 | B4gder | coming down from some 65 when we had CVS ;-) |
| 09:09:52 | safetydan | SVN scare people it would seem |
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| 09:09:54 | safetydan | scares even |
| 09:10:25 | B4gder | I think the truth is that they had already vanished before the switch and they haven't noticed or bothered about getting svn fixed |
| 09:10:31 | scorche | B4gder: is there a secret place where rockboxdev.sh stored data besides the folders in /root? |
| 09:10:46 | B4gder | scorche: it stores data in the directories mentioned at the top of the script |
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| 09:11:12 | B4gder | other than those, it shouldn't put anything anywhere else |
| 09:11:31 | scorche | hmmm...trying to figure out why the now image i made is quite a bit larger compressed |
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| 09:12:31 | scorche | s/now/new |
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| 09:24:30 | GodEater_ | OT Question : Anyone know how reliable linux's autonegotiation of Full/Half Duplex is ? |
| 09:25:03 | B4gder | it depends on the hw and driver only |
| 09:25:28 | GodEater_ | I assume that means at both ends of the cable as well |
| 09:25:35 | GodEater_ | i.e. my interface, and the switch |
| 09:25:37 | B4gder | yes |
| 09:26:12 | GodEater_ | experimentation is the way forward then |
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| 09:41:22 | qu | Why not use the recently added nimbus-19 in the ROCKboxed WPS for iPod 5g? The screen estate is huge and the font currently used is small... |
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| 09:59:17 | JdGordon | anyone awake enough to comment on a quick patch I want to do to the setting screens? |
| 09:59:27 | daurnimator | yes |
| 09:59:30 | daurnimator | but, i cant |
| 09:59:30 | daurnimator | ;) |
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| 10:04:09 | Llorean | JdGordon: What do you want to do to it? |
| 10:04:32 | JdGordon | nothiing visual... its more making sure my hack is done in a nice way :p |
| 10:05:18 | JdGordon | The problem is you cant dynamically choose what to speak, which with the setting_list stuff will use lots of extra space... I want to add a callback to get the voice id... |
| 10:06:13 | JdGordon | I doubt there would be objections to it.. but its still a bit of a hack.. so want to make sure its ok :p |
| 10:06:37 | JdGordon | jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/get_lang_id.patch">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/get_lang_id.patch |
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| 10:07:34 | Llorean | Ah, so not something I can really comment on at this time. :) |
| 10:08:07 | JdGordon | :) amiconn, B4gder? |
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| 11:41:46 | scorche | Mikachu: there? |
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| 11:44:54 | linuxstb | amiconn: Do you have any ideas about this (I think) FAT bug? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6648 |
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| 11:49:30 | petur | linuxstb: should be fairly easy to find: the file will be created first and then openend, the open routine will have a name matching bug |
| 11:50:43 | Mikachu | scorche: yep |
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| 11:51:24 | Supachikn | Hi. |
| 11:51:54 | Supachikn | can someone suggest a program for creating a bitmap with 2 bit colour depth for creating a background for an ipod mini? |
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| 11:52:34 | scorche | Mikachu: upload is finished...can you move to http? |
| 11:52:57 | Mikachu | done |
| 11:53:02 | Mikachu | can i remove the old one? |
| 11:53:05 | linuxstb | Supachikn: I don't think it has to be 2bpp - the Rockbox bitmap loader should be able to load any depth image, and it will convert to the LCD's native depth. |
| 11:53:10 | scorche | yes |
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| 11:53:26 | Supachikn | linuxstb, thanks |
| 11:53:28 | Mikachu | scorche: will you change the wiki page? |
| 11:53:32 | scorche | B4gder: there? |
| 11:53:37 | scorche | Mikachu: already on it |
| 11:56:36 | linuxstb | petur: I'm not sure I understand why you think it's the open routine - mounting the drive with "-t msdos" in Linux shows that two different files are being created, with different content. |
| 11:59:17 | amiconn | Supachikn: There is no such thing as a 2bpp BMP file |
| 11:59:34 | amiconn | BMP files can be 1, 4, 8, 16, 24 or 32 bpp |
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| 12:00:04 | amiconn | The rockbox bmp loader supports all common variants of these depths |
| 12:00:20 | Supachikn | amiconn, i'm not surprised. photoshop says wtf!. i took the manual too literally i guess. cheers |
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| 12:34:47 | JdGordon | linuxstb: does fat32 handle 4 digit file extensions properly? |
| 12:35:44 | directhex|work | JdGordon, doesn't fat32 deal with any non-8.3 filename in the same way, including long file.extensions? |
| 12:35:57 | B4gder | it does |
| 12:37:32 | scorche | B4gder: can you nab the new image from Mikachu's server and move it to the download server please? |
| 12:37:50 | Mikachu | maybe rockbox creates the same shortname when the part before . is the same? |
| 12:38:01 | scorche | B4gder: when you get the time of course |
| 12:38:02 | linuxstb | Mikachu: No, the short names are different. |
| 12:38:13 | linuxstb | (verified by mounting in Linux with -t msdos) |
| 12:38:20 | Mikachu | ah |
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| 12:39:04 | linuxstb | Mounting with -t msdos, everything is fine. It's only when mounting with longname support that the trouble occurs. |
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| 12:44:34 | * | amiconn summons LinusN |
| 12:47:31 | Nico_P | markun? |
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| 12:59:45 | * | petur wishes he had time to look at the fat code |
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| 13:00:35 | markun | Nico_P: yes? |
| 13:01:14 | Nico_P | markun: are you aware of the slight problem witht the rockboxed WPS on the gigabeat ? |
| 13:01:21 | markun | are you sure that nimbus-19 is not specified in the ipod 5g rockboxed theme?\ |
| 13:01:30 | markun | no, what's the problem? |
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| 13:01:45 | Nico_P | the progressba is one pixel off :) |
| 13:02:27 | markun | ah, now I see it |
| 13:02:59 | | Part norbusan |
| 13:04:26 | Nico_P | markun: and is it normal the gigabeat isn't detected by my computer when i put it in the cradle with usb ? |
| 13:06:43 | markun | it depends, when did you last update? |
| 13:06:59 | Nico_P | i have the latest SVN |
| 13:07:11 | Nico_P | i was testing karl's commit |
| 13:07:51 | markun | then it should work I guess. Didn't try it myself yet (but my own patch for enabling cradle USB support which I forgot to commit worked) |
| 13:08:46 | Nico_P | well the gigabeat never appears |
| 13:08:59 | markun | fix it :) |
| 13:09:05 | Nico_P | it charges but isn't detected by the computer |
| 13:09:12 | Nico_P | no idea how :s |
| 13:09:26 | markun | do you have the charger and USB connected to the cradle? |
| 13:09:35 | Nico_P | only usb |
| 13:09:40 | markun | that will not work |
| 13:10:11 | markun | there is a USB hub chip inside the cradle which needs to be powered. |
| 13:10:14 | Nico_P | but when i plug the gigabeat to the computer directly whith only the usb cable, it charges and appears |
| 13:10:16 | Nico_P | ah |
| 13:10:29 | Nico_P | i don't have the right wall charger atm |
| 13:11:07 | markun | what do you want to use the cradle for anyway? |
| 13:11:11 | directhex|work | markun, is the possible confusion between menu & a to reset the gigabeat and holding menu to do some kind of recovery mode a problem? |
| 13:11:22 | Nico_P | markun: i was just testing |
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| 13:12:23 | markun | directhex|work: could be |
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| 13:13:26 | markun | Nico_P: we also need to add support for the USB <-> Line-out switch I think |
| 13:13:40 | Nico_P | markun: that seems to work |
| 13:14:54 | markun | Ah, missed that in the commit |
| 13:15:31 | markun | so until rockbox gets a USB stack I don't think there is anything to add to the cradle support |
| 13:15:58 | markun | Is there anything useful we could do with the sync and cd-rip buttons? |
| 13:16:54 | Nico_P | no idea |
| 13:17:17 | Nico_P | maybe run custom scripts ? |
| 13:17:36 | directhex|work | markun, i still think power/a is a good combo for reset - the user doesn't need to consciously think about when the different bootloaders are invoked, they simply need "turn off player, hold A and power until rockbox finishes loading" |
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| 13:18:26 | markun | Nico_P: what kind of scripts are you thinking of? On the player or on the computer? |
| 13:19:06 | Nico_P | i suppose it would be managed by rockbox so the scripts could be on the player |
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| 13:20:51 | md-aus | hi |
| 13:21:13 | Nico_P | or rather it would be a plugin... rockbox can't run scripts :) |
| 13:21:14 | md-aus | i was looking through the wiki and noticed on this page there was a request for confirrmation |
| 13:21:18 | md-aus | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 13:21:41 | md-aus | I have a series of screen shots showing the steps to get a mac formatted ipod to windows if someone would like them? |
| 13:22:29 | linuxstb | You can edit that IpodConversionToFAT32 page yourself - it's a wiki. |
| 13:22:53 | Nico_P | markun: yeah, why not have a small plugin that would be run when the user presses one of the buttons... it could allow to choose from a list of actions to perform |
| 13:23:05 | Nico_P | like database things or other |
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| 13:23:10 | directhex|work | assuming it lets you. i never did receive my confirmation/password for flyspray |
| 13:23:20 | md-aus | really? because the wiki says I cant have an account unless I come here and ask for confirmation, so Id rather just offer this to someone who does have access |
| 13:24:03 | linuxstb | md-aus: All you need to do is create a wiki account, and then ask here for someone to activate write access. It's an anti-spammers measure. |
| 13:24:44 | linuxstb | directhex|work: flyspray registration isn't the same as wiki registration. |
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| 13:26:16 | md-aus | mmkay, I'm registered. linuxstb, do you have the powers required to activate me on the wiki? |
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| 13:26:46 | md-aus | userid: MarkDorset |
| 13:28:04 | B4gder | Mikachu: I can't download your vmware-4.7z image |
| 13:28:53 | B4gder | debian-4.7z even |
| 13:29:28 | linuxstb | md-aus: Done. Anyone with write access to the wiki can grant write access for others. |
| 13:29:48 | Mikachu | oops, put it in the wrong dir |
| 13:30:07 | md-aus | ta |
| 13:31:35 | linuxstb | md-aus: I assume your screenshots document the "hard way", and not the use of itunes in Windows? |
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| 13:33:28 | B4gder | scorche: done now |
| 13:33:58 | scorche | thanks |
| 13:34:09 | * | scorche goes off to edit the wiki |
| 13:38:43 | md-aus | linuzatb: No, they confirm what you'll see doing the easy way - Ive not added images, but reworded the easy way paragraph |
| 13:38:54 | md-aus | linuxstb even.... |
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| 13:42:01 | linuxstb | md-aus: After you update, does the ipod display the charger symbol, to do the flash upgrade? |
| 13:42:11 | linuxstb | ^After you restore |
| 13:42:32 | md-aus | yep |
| 13:42:46 | md-aus | and it appears in itunes in windows |
| 13:43:11 | linuxstb | It could be worth mentioning that as well. |
| 13:44:49 | desowin | one thing I noticed with iPod restore, when there's mbr messed up, that it displayes ie. 128 heads (255 is normal), iPod restore won't fix it (if there're 2 partitions, first one empty and second one fat), but if you delete both of them, iPod restore will fix it nicely |
| 13:46:04 | md-aus | linuxstb: don |
| 13:46:07 | md-aus | ondone |
| 13:46:15 | md-aus | bloody kb. "done". :-) |
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| 13:50:26 | md-aus | on this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta it doesn't mention anything about backing up the ipod's firmware. However this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation#c_1_all_users_except_i_PodLinux does. |
| 13:50:52 | md-aus | Do I need to backup the ipod's firmware before I proceed for the 1st time with a brand new ipod? |
| 13:52:11 | desowin | you should |
| 13:53:08 | md-aus | is there an easy way to do that on a mac? or do I have to use the windows tools on a windows machine? |
| 13:53:09 | bospaadje | md-aus, you should follow the manual, not the instructions in the wiki |
| 13:53:24 | desowin | is there dd on mac ? |
| 13:53:38 | md-aus | Ahh. ok. will check the manual. From reading the wiki i got the impression the manual was for post-installation docs |
| 13:53:43 | md-aus | desowin: yes |
| 13:54:13 | desowin | dd if=/your/ipod/first_partition of=backup_firmware |
| 13:54:23 | bospaadje | md-aus, that impression is wrong, and the wiki should be fixed for it (I got that impression too the first time i saw it) |
| 13:54:34 | linuxstb | md-aus: The newest ipodpatcher is now fully automatic, so there's far less chance of something going wrong, which is why the backup step isn't there any more. |
| 13:54:38 | Winchester345 | Heya.... I was wondering if samba is the only way to transfer files from the coLinux fs? |
| 13:54:58 | desowin | Winchester345: nfs |
| 13:55:14 | Winchester345 | huh? |
| 13:55:14 | linuxstb | desowin: On the Mac, the firmware partition doesn't show up as a device - because it's marked "empty" in the partition table. |
| 13:55:15 | desowin | or even scp |
| 13:55:39 | desowin | oh, thanks for info linuxstb |
| 13:55:55 | Winchester345 | what's the simplest? and if you could tell me a link I could check on how to get it working? coLinux page on the wiki seems a bit outdated |
| 13:56:02 | Mikachu | you could temporarily change the partition table, but that might make the ipod sadface |
| 13:56:04 | md-aus | ok so I shouldnt use dd then on a mac. |
| 13:56:06 | linuxstb | ipodpatcher has the "-r" option which you can use to backup the firmware partition if you wanted. |
| 13:56:31 | desowin | Winchester345: simplest - samba |
| 13:56:49 | linuxstb | But there's little point in making a backup, you can download copies of the firmware partitions from http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ |
| 13:57:13 | linuxstb | (which links to Apple's download site used by itunes) |
| 13:57:16 | Winchester345 | well.... the wiki talks about the xml file.... but colinux uses the .conf.... and I can't figure it out |
| 13:57:55 | desowin | btw. what do you need coLinux for ? |
| 13:58:07 | Winchester345 | building rockbox |
| 13:58:35 | scorche | colinux is one of the 3 method of building rockbox on windows |
| 13:58:41 | desowin | I would recommend cygwin if you don't want to install unix system |
| 13:58:45 | linuxstb | Winchester345: Try searching google for colinux help - it's not a Rockbox-specific problem, and I don't think many people here use colinux. |
| 13:58:53 | Winchester345 | yeah.... I have tried them all |
| 13:59:07 | scorche | Winchester345: also, i do not think that the colinux page is outdated much at all |
| 13:59:19 | scorche | Soap is the person you will want to talk to |
| 13:59:19 | Winchester345 | nuh not much |
| 13:59:26 | Winchester345 | I got it working all right to this point |
| 13:59:29 | Winchester345 | just the samba bit |
| 13:59:42 | scorche | he should be awake in a few hours |
| 13:59:48 | scorche | but, watch for him |
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| 14:00:00 | scorche | alternatively, you can PM him on the forums |
| 14:00:10 | Winchester345 | ok thanks |
| 14:00:54 | preglow | Slasheri: planning to update RockboxKernel any time soon? :> |
| 14:00:57 | Winchester345 | and.... http://colinux.wikia.com/wiki/AccessingWindowsDrivesWithSamba seems to have the info.... but half of the commands don't work |
| 14:02:01 | desowin | which ones ? |
| 14:02:14 | Winchester345 | well submount is one |
| 14:02:30 | desowin | s/submount/smbmount |
| 14:02:45 | desowin | you need samba installed for that |
| 14:03:15 | Winchester345 | it is |
| 14:03:41 | desowin | and what for alternative syntax ? (mount -t smbfs -o username=User,password=myTrickyPassword //THATBOX/mysharedfolder /mnt) |
| 14:04:21 | desowin | oh, by don't work you mean 'command not found' ? |
| 14:04:33 | Winchester345 | yup |
| 14:04:48 | Winchester345 | and.... the alternative syntax.... ignorance on my behalf.... didn't scroll down that far |
| 14:04:55 | desowin | can you ping the host machine ? |
| 14:06:06 | Winchester345 | yup |
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| 14:06:29 | desowin | and does mount work ? |
| 14:07:20 | Winchester345 | I will get back on that one.... have to get the windows stuff right |
| 14:07:32 | Winchester345 | thanks desowin.... don't see a reasonw hy it wouldn't |
| 14:12:40 | md-aus | thanks for the help - got rockbox working. now to play :-) |
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| 14:13:31 | Winchester345 | does THATBOX refer to what the computer comes up as in the network workgroup? |
| 14:15:46 | desowin | you can type here ip of your host computer |
| 14:16:06 | desowin | (that one seen by virtual ethernet device) |
| 14:16:48 | JdGordon | can anyone tell me why the call to audio_set_crossfade() in settings_menu.c line 1741 is called with global_settings.unplug_rw when every other call uses .crossfade ? |
| 14:16:50 | Winchester345 | ok.... now apparantly the password is wrong..... |
| 14:21:46 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I remember someone mentioning that a while ago - I'm almost certain it's just a copy-and-paste error. |
| 14:22:45 | linuxstb | i.e. the person that added the unplug settings copied the crossfade settings code, and failed to remove that call. |
| 14:23:25 | JdGordon | so the call shouldnt be there at all? |
| 14:23:45 | linuxstb | I'm 99% sure... |
| 14:23:50 | JdGordon | that makes things easier... |
| 14:24:00 | JdGordon | I should probably email obo just to double check tho |
| 14:25:21 | Winchester345 | ah thanks desowin.... instead of trying to get to the windows fs I just.... got to the rockdev home directory from windows..... |
| 14:25:54 | desowin | always the option |
| 14:27:53 | Winchester345 | is it possible to crosscompile rockbox simulator for windows from colinux? |
| 14:28:00 | JdGordon | email sent.. hopefully I get a reply soonish |
| 14:28:57 | desowin | Winchester345: I really think that using MinGW would be better to get windows simulator .. |
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| 14:30:25 | B4gder | Winchester345: sure, install a cross-compiler |
| 14:30:46 | B4gder | mingw exists as a cross-compiler |
| 14:31:03 | | Part JdGordon |
| 14:31:31 | Winchester345 | and how would I compile it with mingw? |
| 14:31:49 | B4gder | I think there's a patch |
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| 14:32:35 | JdGordon | linuxstb: Zagor found that a month ago but got no answer (/me praises google and logbot :p ) |
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| 14:33:32 | linuxstb | Doesn't rasher cross-compile the Windows sim on Linux for his downloads? |
| 14:33:42 | B4gder | yes he does |
| 14:33:51 | B4gder | and I believe that stuff is already in svn |
| 14:34:05 | webguest20 | I think, the WPS page for iPod 5g (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g) is outdated. Some WPSs now use larger font (14->19) |
| 14:34:14 | linuxstb | You'll probably need to install cross-compile SDL first though. |
| 14:35:14 | Winchester345 | ok I'll go try to figure it all out.... and cut down on bugging you guys |
| 14:38:30 | Winchester345 | gah..... never checked out the patches.... I have been missing out =O |
| 14:39:37 | JdGordon | Can I break cfg compatability on the headphone unplug detect mode setting? |
| 14:41:05 | directhex|work | hm, there are some really nice looking ipod 5g themes on rockbox-themes.org |
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| 14:41:45 | JdGordon | it currently save 0-3 instead of a word to descrbe the mode |
| 14:41:45 | JdGordon | which I tinhk is a bit odd |
| 14:44:16 | JdGordon | Can I break cfg compatability on the headphone unplug detect mode setting? |
| 14:44:26 | JdGordon | it currently save 0-2 instead of a word to descrbe the mode which i tihnk is a bit wierd |
| 14:44:53 | JdGordon | (sorry if that was a repeat.. im not sure if my net dced before i tryed sending that 5 min ago) |
| 14:45:44 | linuxstb | What's the consequence of breaking compatibility? Is it just that setting that's reset to the default? |
| 14:46:27 | JdGordon | yes |
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| 14:46:42 | JdGordon | thats not a major setting, so i doubt anyone would notice |
| 14:47:00 | linuxstb | It's "major" if you use it... |
| 14:47:23 | linuxstb | But if you think it needs fixing, then I say fix it. |
| 14:47:24 | JdGordon | by major I mean one that is in the theme configs |
| 14:47:41 | Winchester345 | what is the default? |
| 14:47:45 | JdGordon | 0 |
| 14:47:52 | Winchester345 | which is? |
| 14:47:54 | obo | off |
| 14:47:56 | JdGordon | off |
| 14:48:01 | Winchester345 | oh =( |
| 14:48:13 | Winchester345 | I use it... but wouldn't really care if it wasn't there |
| 14:48:24 | linuxstb | All it means is you need to re-enable it. |
| 14:48:46 | obo | JdGordon: when you say word, do you mean a text string? |
| 14:48:51 | Winchester345 | ah... I thought by breaking you meant... disable that completly |
| 14:48:55 | JdGordon | obo: yes |
| 14:49:11 | obo | JdGordon: okay - at the moment the code is doing checks for >0 and >1 |
| 14:49:15 | JdGordon | numbers in the cfg file isnt very nice |
| 14:50:05 | JdGordon | obo: thats ok.. no code needs to be changed expect its entry in settings_list.c |
| 14:50:16 | linuxstb | obo: I think JdGordon is just suggesting the .cfg file will store a string. In the global_settings struct, it will still be a number. |
| 14:50:24 | JdGordon | bingo |
| 14:50:28 | obo | ah, fair enough :) |
| 14:51:59 | JdGordon | is have_headphoneunplug not in the sim? |
| 14:52:32 | JdGordon | HAVE_HEADPHONE_DETECTION even |
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| 14:52:58 | obo | nope - only ipod targets |
| 14:53:08 | linuxstb | You can check in the config files to see if it's defined for the sim. |
| 14:53:13 | linuxstb | (e.g. config-ipodcolor.h) |
| 14:53:45 | obo | going on my copy-paste skills its best to check, but it shouldn't be enabled for the sims |
| 14:54:23 | JdGordon | nuts :p can someone test this patch them please to make sure i didnt break those settings? |
| 14:56:18 | * | obo runs down to car to grab usb cable... |
| 14:57:17 | JdGordon | jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/playback_menu.patch">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/playback_menu.patch |
| 14:57:34 | JdGordon | Also, if someone with a h100 could test the spdif enable setting that would be great also :) |
| 14:58:11 | directhex|work | headphone unplugging works great on my gigabeat |
| 14:58:55 | JdGordon | the patch is just changeing the menu item to the new system.. so i need to make sure it displays correctly and saves to the cfg correctly |
| 14:59:14 | JdGordon | they should work.. but someone testing would be better |
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| 15:08:38 | JdGordon | amiconn: good news :) It looks like this new menu system will actually help the bin sizes... moveing playback menu drops the rec v1 bin by 500bytes |
| 15:10:10 | obo | JdGordon: missing comma at the end of apps/settings_list.c, line 827 |
| 15:10:30 | JdGordon | thanks |
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| 15:14:55 | JdGordon | obo: nothing seems wrong with the setting? |
| 15:17:33 | obo | nope, works fine |
| 15:17:55 | JdGordon | ok ta |
| 15:19:27 | JdGordon | ... here we go ! |
| 15:20:59 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Do we understand the root menu concept differently? See my last comment on FS #6630 |
| 15:21:16 | JdGordon | no, I think bluebrother confused me.. I agree with you |
| 15:21:29 | B4gder | I agree too |
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| 15:23:38 | JdGordon | so hang on.. do we really want it to goto the root menu with left from the / folder? |
| 15:24:03 | B4gder | how else can it be the root menu? |
| 15:24:09 | JdGordon | or are we agreeing that exiting any screen correctly will put you there, but left is not the correct way? |
| 15:24:41 | JdGordon | the problem with left exiting the browsers is holding it down while going back up the tree.. and non-sihted uysers |
| 15:24:53 | B4gder | well, perhaps some other key than left should exit from the file tree |
| 15:25:04 | linuxstb | Yes, I think so too. |
| 15:25:09 | JdGordon | ok, good :) |
| 15:25:51 | JdGordon | B4gder: can you change the changlog>html script to interpret * (or something) as a new line please? |
| 15:26:27 | B4gder | not a bad idea |
| 15:26:59 | JdGordon | unless svn allows \n in the commit messages?, but we do need something to break them up a bit |
| 15:27:02 | linuxstb | Shouldn't newlines be translated to <br />? |
| 15:27:04 | markun | are newlines not stored in the commit messages? |
| 15:27:18 | B4gder | yeah, I could just translate the ordinary newlines |
| 15:27:19 | linuxstb | markun: That's what I thought. |
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| 15:27:46 | markun | linuxstb: last time I used the -F option to read the message from file |
| 15:27:48 | JdGordon | I tihnk someone here told me \n is ignored in the cvs commit log and assumed it was the same for svn |
| 15:28:06 | B4gder | it wasn't in cvs |
| 15:28:12 | B4gder | and it isn't in svn |
| 15:28:22 | JdGordon | ok then |
| 15:28:45 | B4gder | its just that they are shown in plain HTML and thus they look like this |
| 15:29:09 | linuxstb | JdGordon: If you view the source of the changelog, you'll see the newlines are there in the HTML file. |
| 15:29:17 | JdGordon | oh, I didnt even think to check the source :p |
| 15:30:01 | markun | B4gder: don't you pass the messages through some HTML encode function? |
| 15:30:08 | B4gder | yes |
| 15:30:19 | markun | but it doesn't handle newlines? |
| 15:30:27 | B4gder | no |
| 15:30:29 | JdGordon | btw... the left menu in the chlog page is still showing the old menu |
| 15:32:09 | B4gder | <br> inserted on the front page |
| 15:33:32 | JdGordon | much better :) cheers |
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| 15:36:17 | JdGordon | does anyone have any suggestions about what to do with the top of settings_list.c? all those static functions needed for the setting callbacks... Do we leave them there and have a messy file? or unstatic them and move them to the correct files? |
| 15:36:18 | markun | B4gder: yes, thanks |
| 15:44:24 | linuxstb | markun: I've just tried the Rockboxed WPS, and it doesn't seem to default to using the file/directory names for files without tags. |
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| 15:51:07 | Winchester345 | hey.... does anyone know if it's possible or if anyone is working on making rockboy work on the greyscale ipods? |
| 15:51:45 | linuxstb | Yes, it's possible, someone just needs to adapt the LCD code. |
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| 15:52:17 | ppeom | somebody have dotum.ttf font? |
| 15:53:23 | Winchester345 | hmm... that would be nice.... if only I wasn't hopeless =) |
| 15:54:09 | Winchester345 | oh well... there's always iBoy |
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| 16:24:21 | web-taz | hello everybody |
| 16:25:14 | web-taz | very busy in hear with 127 user :-/ |
| 16:25:21 | web-taz | -a +e |
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| 16:29:27 | markun | linuxstb: yes, I noticed that too |
| 16:30:35 | markun | linuxstb: I took the liberty to rename the theme from ROCKboxed to Rockboxed, don't know if I should have done that.. |
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| 16:31:44 | markun | the old name suggests the theme is based on the logo, which it is |
| 16:33:05 | directhex|work | hm, i can't build an m68k cross-compiler |
| 16:35:09 | linuxstb | markun: I prefer "Rockboxed"... |
| 16:35:18 | linuxstb | directhex|work: What's the error? |
| 16:35:27 | linuxstb | And are you using rockboxdev.sh/ |
| 16:35:28 | linuxstb | ? |
| 16:35:42 | directhex|work | linuxstb, hang on i've got to regenerat it, and yes |
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| 16:38:28 | web-taz | ähm just a few tiny questions: Iriver H300 Series; there is a firmware KR 1.31 but European just 1.29 or 1.3(the same without video function) |
| 16:38:44 | web-taz | is there a boot loader for the 1.31? |
| 16:41:20 | directhex|work | ../../gcc-3.4.6/gcc/libgcc2.c: In function `__fixdfdi': |
| 16:41:20 | directhex|work | ../../gcc-3.4.6/gcc/libgcc2.c:1277: internal compiler error: in do_SUBST, at combine.c:447 |
| 16:42:36 | directhex|work | linuxstb, i'm going to try building in a 32-bit chroot - though gcc 3.4 shouldn't have any problems building in an amd64 host |
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| 16:45:25 | linuxstb | directhex|work: Ah, yes I think there are known issues with compiling the Coldfire compiler on amd64. I think you may need to compile manually (not using the script), and apply the patch at the bottom of this page - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
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| 16:49:44 | directhex|work | linuxstb, i think the makefile could do with a sanity check - i keep getting 'command not found's due to stray 64-bit convbdf and so on in 32-bit chroots |
| 16:49:54 | directhex|work | linuxstb, it's a pretty corner case, but it's still annoying :) |
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| 16:50:26 | amiconn | directhex|work: You don't need a 32 bit chroot if you use the patch linuxstb pointed to |
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| 16:50:46 | directhex|work | amiconn, there are other reasons - e.g. the sim is pretty broken on 64-bit |
| 16:50:47 | amiconn | This is what I am running on my build server, which is 32 bit free |
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| 16:51:04 | amiconn | The only thing broken in the sim I know of is libmad... |
| 16:51:30 | directhex|work | and tags (possibly only on vorbis files, hard to tell if it's on mp3 files too given libmad) |
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| 16:51:42 | amiconn | ? |
| 16:51:46 | amiconn | Tags display fine here |
| 16:52:09 | preglow | amiconn: playing two files with the same codec after each other crashes the sim for a lot of codecs here |
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| 16:52:18 | preglow | also looping one file |
| 16:52:21 | preglow | probably the same bug |
| 16:52:52 | amiconn | odd |
| 16:53:12 | amiconn | Never observed that one.... but then, I have exactly 2 test files in my 64 bit sims |
| 16:53:17 | amiconn | One .ogg and one .mp3 |
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| 16:55:00 | preglow | haha |
| 16:55:13 | preglow | my Testfiles dir is a couple of gig |
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| 16:55:49 | directhex|work | i symlink to my ~/musiq folder |
| 16:56:04 | preglow | i really don't use the fules for ordinary listening |
| 16:56:09 | preglow | some are problem cases, etc |
| 16:56:17 | preglow | multiple encodes of the same song, and so forth |
| 16:57:53 | amiconn | I only put them there to see whether playback works at all |
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| 17:00:56 | akikonomu | Q: my ipod nano gives the "please restore using itunes" error in 4 messages, but restoring it triggers the dreaded "itunes has detected an ipod in recovery mode" loop. |
| 17:01:11 | akikonomu | formating the drive doesn't work because it gives some "i/o error" |
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| 17:01:37 | linuxstb | "i/o error" would indicate some kind of hardware or usb problem. |
| 17:01:57 | linuxstb | Have you tried different cables, USB ports, computers...? |
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| 17:02:37 | akikonomu | hmmm tried it on a mac, also gives the recovery mode loop |
| 17:02:54 | w1ll14m | akikonmu: what is your platform ? |
| 17:03:17 | linuxstb | What did you do to break it in the first place? Installing Rockbox shouldn't do that. |
| 17:03:22 | akikonomu | winxp at home, osx10.3.x in the office |
| 17:03:38 | akikonomu | actually the nano was acting screwy the last week |
| 17:03:49 | w1ll14m | akikonomu: nano 1g or 2g? |
| 17:04:19 | akikonomu | 2Gb. like plugging the headphones in will cause the machine to black out like the battery went flat |
| 17:04:38 | w1ll14m | is it the aluminium version ? |
| 17:04:38 | akikonomu | but it'll turn on again properly if i connect it to a pc |
| 17:04:43 | akikonomu | gen 1 |
| 17:04:46 | w1ll14m | ok |
| 17:04:59 | w1ll14m | maybe use dd if possible to write firmware image |
| 17:05:01 | akikonomu | definitely gen 1. you can't install rockbox on a gen2 nano =D |
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| 17:05:24 | w1ll14m | akikonomu: nice :) there are people who do'nt read those info |
| 17:05:29 | akikonomu | indeed. under drive manager in winxp control panel, it says the nano is "unreadable" |
| 17:05:30 | w1ll14m | don't* |
| 17:05:46 | akikonomu | do'h |
| 17:05:49 | w1ll14m | :) |
| 17:06:20 | akikonomu | mmm. just before it went all multilingual on me, rockbox would start and start and start in some horrible loop |
| 17:06:26 | akikonomu | or get stuck in "loading" |
| 17:07:03 | akikonomu | diskmount manager on the mac said there's an i/o error on the nano. |
| 17:07:04 | w1ll14m | strange.... |
| 17:07:13 | akikonomu | but gah. doesn't it run on flash ram |
| 17:07:14 | w1ll14m | akikonomu: try a linux boot cd http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ get here a firmware image, and unzip it, then try to dd the image to /dev/sdX |
| 17:07:41 | w1ll14m | but it's strange that you get a I/O error |
| 17:07:49 | akikonomu | mmm. did i mention that i can't write to the nano at all? |
| 17:08:12 | akikonomu | it's a totally wiped out drive at the moment. can't format it either |
| 17:08:38 | akikonomu | i managed to load the diagnostics test on the nano |
| 17:08:44 | akikonomu | seems to be the only thing that works |
| 17:08:51 | akikonomu | but the scan doesnt' work. |
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| 17:09:23 | akikonomu | any ideas? cos the nano's past its warranty |
| 17:09:59 | BiptoN | akikonomu: you can try to run "dd if=/dev/zero bs=512 count=1 of=/dev/sdX" |
| 17:10:31 | BiptoN | then you may be able to hook it up to a windows machine and run and older updater on it |
| 17:10:33 | akikonomu | that's from the linux cd? |
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| 17:12:40 | BiptoN | yeah run that command in linux |
| 17:12:50 | akikonomu | mmm |
| 17:12:53 | BiptoN | then use the an older updater on windows |
| 17:13:20 | akikonomu | otherwise, it seems this thing is bricked =\ |
| 17:13:27 | crazy_wombat | can anyone help me? I have an iriver h10, dual booting rockbox, and I can't get rockdoom to work. |
| 17:13:28 | crazy_wombat | i downloaded the wads like the manuals said, and it still says it can't find the wads |
| 17:13:33 | akikonomu | i might have dropped it a few months ago |
| 17:13:35 | akikonomu | =\ |
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| 17:18:56 | Arathis | crazy_wombat: where did you put the wads? |
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| 17:20:05 | crazy_wombat | in a folder called doom like the manual said |
| 17:21:16 | crazy_wombat | " /.rockbox/doom/" to be exact |
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| 17:22:57 | akikonomu | thanks, bipton and wiiliam... i'll try your suggestions when i have the nano again... left it at the office |
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| 17:24:00 | Arathis | crazy_wombat: I have it in /games/doom/ |
| 17:24:18 | crazy_wombat | and it works there? |
| 17:24:27 | Arathis | and it works for me. didn't use the manual though but the wiki months ago |
| 17:24:51 | crazy_wombat | I'll try that, thanks for the help |
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| 17:25:03 | Arathis | crazy_wombat: oh, doesn't work anymore |
| 17:26:41 | amiconn | Arathis: The position was changed lately |
| 17:27:02 | amiconn | Just move the files to /.rockbox/doom/ and it should work again |
| 17:28:13 | Arathis | amiconn: thanks, it does |
| 17:28:32 | * | Arathis wonders why he has doom on his player anyway. |
| 17:30:02 | Mikachu | so you can make your friends go "oooh" |
| 17:30:40 | n1s | amiconn: are .lang files supposed to be UTF8 ? |
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| 17:37:15 | directhex|work | sad fact: doom is smoother on my mp3 player than my homebrew-friendly portable games machine |
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| 17:39:20 | amiconn | n1s: yes |
| 17:46:17 | Arathis | Mikachu: Oh, right. That's it ;) Same with Beryl ^^ |
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| 18:05:59 | FrankGrisafi | hello? |
| 18:06:15 | FrankGrisafi | hello harmony |
| 18:06:20 | FrankGrisafi | harmony |
| 18:06:27 | FrankGrisafi | is your mother there please |
| 18:06:35 | FrankGrisafi | hello |
| 18:07:32 | dewdude__ | anyone know if the arm-elf-gcc build has been updated in the vmware image? |
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| 18:08:15 | Mikachu | dewdude__: yes |
| 18:08:19 | Mikachu | dewdude__: i think so |
| 18:08:29 | peppo | is any 5.5G 80G iPod svn testing needed? |
| 18:08:49 | FrankGrisafi | Actually I was just wondering if someone could give me write permission so I can upload a WPS |
| 18:11:42 | dewdude__ | Mikachu, ok, cuz i tried updating it myself..and i thought i could work around linux a bit...but failed. i haven't built a new version since last week. |
| 18:12:03 | FrankGrisafi | I am even supposed to be asking for write permission in here? |
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| 18:38:33 | blind | I'm trying to make a rockbox theme.. Is there like an ipod emulator, or do I just have to keep booting it to rockbox to check it out? |
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| 18:42:08 | Llorean | There's a user interface simulator. |
| 18:42:58 | * | amiconn summons LinusN again |
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| 18:48:38 | blind | Llorean: where is that? |
| 18:49:17 | Llorean | blind: You just choose it as a compiling option, instead of compiling a normal build. If you're using a completely unpatched build you can usually use rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ though. |
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| 18:50:38 | blind | Llorean: I see it's for windows. Do you know if there's one for Linux? |
| 18:50:55 | n1s | blind: yes, using SDL |
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| 18:51:13 | Llorean | blind: As I said, you can compile it from the Rockbox source. |
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| 18:52:47 | LinusN | amiconn: you called for me? |
| 18:52:51 | blind | oh. I'm sorry :P |
| 18:52:55 | amiconn | Ah, hi LinusN :) |
| 18:53:12 | obo | I've got a weird problem w/ my e200. My MUSIC folder is displayed as a file. I cannot access it. |
| 18:53:15 | amiconn | I would like to know how difficult you would deem an iAudio M5 port? |
| 18:53:43 | amiconn | Do I need a bdm for developing the bootloader? |
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| 18:53:44 | Llorean | blind: You just treat it like you're compiling Rockbox normally, but when you get to choosing what type of build, one of the options is "Simulator" instead of "Normal" |
| 18:54:06 | blind | oh, neat. thanks for the help :] |
| 18:54:07 | LinusN | an m5 would probably be dead simple |
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| 18:54:41 | amiconn | Did you need the bdm for the X5? |
| 18:54:44 | Llorean | obo: What exactly is happening? |
| 18:54:55 | obo | fsck.vfat -a /dev/sda1 |
| 18:54:55 | obo | dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN |
| 18:54:55 | obo | There are differences between boot sector and its backup. |
| 18:54:55 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK obo |
| 18:54:55 | obo | Differences: (offset:original/backup) |
| 18:54:55 | obo | 71:53/4e, 72:61/4f, 73:6e/20, 74:73/4e, 75:61/41, 76:20/4d, 77:65/45 |
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| 18:54:56 | obo | , 78:32/20, 79:36/20, 80:30/20 |
| 18:54:58 | obo | Not automatically fixing this. |
| 18:55:00 | obo | Both FATs appear to be corrupt. Giving up. |
| 18:55:18 | obo | no idea. I doubt it's a rockbox problem tho. |
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| 18:55:44 | obo | It just displays my "MUSIC" folder as a 0-byte file |
| 18:55:52 | obo | and the permissions are a screwy |
| 18:56:01 | obo | *all |
| 18:56:26 | obo | drwx−−−−−− 11 pavle pavle 4096 1969-12-31 19:00 . |
| 18:56:26 | obo | drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 2007-02-12 12:45 .. |
| 18:56:26 | obo | ?−−−−−−−−- ? ? ? ? ? MUSIC |
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| 18:56:26 | obo | drwx−−−−−− 4 pavle pavle 4096 2006-04-04 21:39 PHOTO |
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| 18:56:26 | obo | drwx−−−−−− 2 pavle pavle 4096 1980-01-01 00:26 PICTURES |
| 18:56:27 | *** | Alert Mode level 4 |
| 18:56:27 | obo | drwx−−−−−− 2 pavle pavle 4096 1980-01-01 00:26 PLAYLISTS |
| 18:56:29 | obo | drwx−−−−−− 4 pavle pavle 4096 1980-01-01 00:26 RECORD |
| 18:56:33 | obo | drwx−−−−−− 4 pavle pavle 4096 2006-04-04 21:39 SYSTEM |
| 18:56:35 | obo | drwx−−−−−− 2 pavle pavle 4096 1911-11-25 17:31 tmp |
| 18:56:35 | barrywardell | hmmm. Rockboxed for 160x128x16 seems to be slightly broken. it seems to just have the wrong filename in the .wps file |
| 18:56:37 | obo | wht the fuck? |
| 18:56:41 | Llorean | obo: Please don't make large pastes into the channel. |
| 18:56:46 | obo | sry |
| 18:56:56 | barrywardell | is it ok if I just rename it? works for me in H10 sim at least... |
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| 18:57:30 | Llorean | barrywardell: Is it just like a typo that needs fixed? |
| 18:57:47 | obo | I can still access the music on the device |
| 18:58:11 | barrywardell | yeah, as far as I can tell (it calls the file bd... instead of bg...) |
| 18:58:20 | Llorean | Probably just fix it then. |
| 18:58:22 | barrywardell | i'm not very familiar with the wps stuff though |
| 18:58:37 | barrywardell | ok |
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| 19:38:12 | linuxstb | obo: I don't know if it's just a co-incidence, but your directly listing looks very similar to how my FAT partition ended up after I deleted one of the two files I mention in http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6648 |
| 19:38:24 | obo | linuxstb: that wasn't me - just someone using the same nick |
| 19:38:42 | linuxstb | OK... |
| 19:38:59 | desowin | you don't have your nick registered ? |
| 19:39:02 | obo | I do |
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| 19:54:19 | Llorean | Any 5G/5.5G users here? |
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| 19:55:10 | obo | 5G here |
| 19:55:27 | Llorean | obo: With the most recent build, do you have the option Menu>General settings> System> Battery> Charge During USB Connection ? |
| 19:55:47 | Llorean | Someone on the forums is claiming that option exists, but as far as I'm aware such an option shouldn't. |
| 19:55:51 | obo | yes, I do |
| 19:56:25 | Llorean | linuxstb: You here? |
| 19:56:54 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 19:57:12 | Llorean | Do you know why there's a Menu>General settings> System> Battery> Charge During USB Connection on 5G iPod? |
| 19:57:31 | obo | the 5G is the only ipod target to have CONFIG_CHARGING defined |
| 19:57:56 | obo | so it also has car adapter mode... |
| 19:58:28 | Llorean | But the option shouldn't be there, should it? |
| 19:58:39 | linuxstb | Llorean: It (mistakenly in my opinion) appeared with the H300 charging patch. |
| 19:59:03 | Llorean | Yeah, but it doesn't affect the iPod at all, does it? |
| 19:59:16 | linuxstb | But it's not a big problem - it could be applicable when we get our own disk mode. |
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| 20:00:07 | Llorean | What would it do, exactly? |
| 20:01:35 | linuxstb | Enable/Disable charge during USB connection... |
| 20:01:47 | linuxstb | But I've no idea why such an option is needed. |
| 20:01:56 | Llorean | That's what I was thinking, which is why I asked about it. |
| 20:02:03 | Llorean | Shouldn't it always charge while a USB cable is hooked up? |
| 20:02:23 | amiconn | The option is named imprecisely |
| 20:02:37 | petur | if you want the number of charge cycles low |
| 20:02:52 | DataGhost | doesn't it have li-ion then? |
| 20:02:53 | amiconn | Afaik the H300 always charges from USB, and the option switches between low (100mA) and high (500mA) current |
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| 20:03:03 | petur | hmmmm |
| 20:03:10 | DataGhost | ah |
| 20:03:25 | amiconn | This current switching is necessary if we don't do usb in software |
| 20:03:53 | amiconn | According to the usb standard, an usb device must not draw more than 100mA without prior negotiation |
| 20:04:35 | amiconn | ...and since the usb-ata bridge doesn't negotiate current requirements this way, the current needs to be limited in order to not violate the specs |
| 20:04:56 | Llorean | Ah |
| 20:05:04 | DataGhost | specs, heh :P |
| 20:05:07 | amiconn | However, most usb hosts and powered hubs don't shut down the port when the device draws more |
| 20:05:07 | Llorean | So on the iPod we should be able to just negotiate, once that point comes? |
| 20:05:17 | linuxstb | What does the iriver firmware do? |
| 20:05:37 | amiconn | linuxstb: The iriver firmware has an option |
| 20:05:51 | linuxstb | What do they call it/ |
| 20:06:00 | amiconn | hmm, lemme check |
| 20:06:45 | petur | hub/desktop |
| 20:07:36 | amiconn | USB Charging: ON/OFF and USB Conn. Mode: Desktop/Hub |
| 20:07:55 | amiconn | So it seems that it *does* allow to deactivate usb charging completely |
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| 20:08:07 | * | amiconn didn't know that... |
| 20:08:09 | linuxstb | So Rockbox's option is equivalent to the USB Connection Mode? |
| 20:08:21 | amiconn | Not sure anymore :/ |
| 20:08:25 | linuxstb | :) |
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| 20:12:27 | Llorean | Is there a good reason not to allow a li-ion battery to charge? It seems heavy disk access on battery might be worse for it than letting it have the idle current. |
| 20:13:25 | petur | I think li-ion suffers from the charge cycles (number of time you start charging) - not sure tho |
| 20:14:05 | amiconn | LiIon suffers from everything... |
| 20:14:22 | petur | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_ion_battery |
| 20:14:24 | Llorean | I thought LiIon's primary nemesis was simply existing over time. |
| 20:14:25 | amiconn | High temperature, both deep discharge and full charge, age... |
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| 20:15:29 | Llorean | petur: According to that, "ithium-ion batteries should be charged early and often." |
| 20:15:48 | amiconn | Deep discharge and high temperature are the worst |
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| 20:18:03 | * | petur stands corrected and moves along |
| 20:18:39 | * | petur puts his iriver in the fridge, good for the battery and the cool music |
| 20:19:18 | amiconn | hehe |
| 20:19:39 | * | Llorean needs to start looking for a new battery for his |
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| 20:42:18 | GodEater | Llorean: I thought you already had a new battery ? |
| 20:42:29 | GodEater | you just hadn't got round to doing the upgrade with it ? |
| 20:42:48 | Llorean | GodEater: Yeah, but it seems to have disappeared in the move a few months back. |
| 20:42:59 | GodEater | that's a pain! |
| 20:43:13 | Llorean | I've got about one entire box of stuff just missing entirely |
| 20:43:24 | GodEater | did you move yourself ? |
| 20:43:27 | Llorean | Yep |
| 20:43:36 | GodEater | so it's all your fault then :) |
| 20:43:39 | Llorean | Indeed |
| 20:43:45 | GodEater | shame |
| 20:43:51 | Llorean | But a replacement battery is not a huge financial burden, so it'll be okay |
| 20:44:03 | GodEater | the fiddliest bit I found was reconnecting the battery |
| 20:44:13 | GodEater | swapping the polarity over was a breeze by comparison |
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| 21:22:06 | KarhuWaari | Hi |
| 21:22:22 | KarhuWaari | I just installed rockbox and now its F*****ed |
| 21:22:50 | KarhuWaari | My computer doesnt recognize it and it crashes when trying to play any songs |
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| 21:23:24 | petur | 1) it's probably not, 2) do state player type |
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| 21:23:41 | KarhuWaari | Ipod 3rd gen |
| 21:24:16 | linuxstb | For your computer to recognise it, you need to reboot into the Apple firmware, or manually enter disk mode. |
| 21:24:30 | linuxstb | Rockbox doesn't have USB/Firewire detection on the ipod 3G. |
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| 21:24:48 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
| 21:24:59 | webguest09 | hello |
| 21:25:40 | linuxstb | petur: The 3G is a special case - it uses a different chipset to all the later ipods, so acts differently. |
| 21:26:13 | petur | I was going to say something like that, and then I say the ipodmaster answer ;) |
| 21:26:27 | KarhuWaari | Now it has been in the state of "searching... 2 found (PLAY/PAUSE to abort) for like 20mins |
| 21:26:33 | webguest70 | petur: even the TI-84 calculators have a USB stack.. :) http://usb8x.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:26:44 | webguest09 | I have a question about the rockbox firmware for the iRiver h120 |
| 21:26:46 | KarhuWaari | When I tried to play a song |
| 21:27:56 | linuxstb | KarhuWaari: How did you play the song? I'm not sure why it says "searching...". |
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| 21:28:27 | KarhuWaari | by choosing from the artist -> album -> song |
| 21:28:45 | * | petur has a demo usb(otg) stack of philips lying around, but as long as it hangs on startup (device check) it's pretty useless |
| 21:29:07 | linuxstb | OK, I'm not familiar with the Rockbox database, I normally just use the file browser... |
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| 21:29:36 | KarhuWaari | how long does it normally take to shut down? |
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| 21:29:49 | KarhuWaari | because this has now been in "shutting down" - mode for 1 minute |
| 21:30:39 | linuxstb | It should only take a few seconds. |
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| 21:31:06 | KarhuWaari | yeah |
| 21:31:07 | KarhuWaari | well |
| 21:31:17 | linuxstb | Apparently that's a known problem on the 3G - see this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodStatus |
| 21:31:20 | KarhuWaari | Im going back for normal Ipod OS |
| 21:31:32 | KarhuWaari | Maybe im gonna try this when I get some new mp3 player |
| 21:31:36 | linuxstb | As I said, the 3G port is much less developed than Rockbox on later ipods. |
| 21:32:07 | KarhuWaari | yeah |
| 21:32:45 | KarhuWaari | What thigns i must do to get it to normal state again? |
| 21:34:29 | linuxstb | Manually reboot into disk mode, then run "ipodpatcher -d" |
| 21:34:54 | linuxstb | That will delete the Rockbox bootloader. You can then delete the Rockbox files from the main partition. |
| 21:35:29 | KarhuWaari | ok thanks |
| 21:35:49 | KarhuWaari | Even though the program turned out unsuitable atleast the help was quick :) |
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| 21:42:14 | * | XavierGr reads something about USB OTG and gets excited, then gets back to normal :P |
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| 21:42:40 | * | petur hides even further |
| 21:43:31 | petur | the good thing is, I'm catching up with work, there's a light at the end of the tunnel - could be a train tho ;) |
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| 21:44:25 | XavierGr | nice to hear that petur :D |
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| 21:44:54 | XavierGr | do you have a patch submitted with all this work? |
| 21:45:33 | petur | no, it's a real mess - it just compiles the stack and tries to init it, nothing remotely usable |
| 21:45:46 | petur | I do have a backup on two disks ;) |
| 21:46:11 | linuxstb | You could still post it to the wiki or something... |
| 21:46:27 | XavierGr | and was the problem with again? |
| 21:46:32 | XavierGr | +what |
| 21:46:44 | XavierGr | +it |
| 21:46:54 | XavierGr | I must learn to type someday |
| 21:47:36 | petur | it stops on waiting for V-rise: it tries to engage conversation but doesn't get very far. Something must be weird about ID and/or VBUS |
| 21:48:17 | petur | the fact that ID is connected to the processor and not to the usb connector is one thing that's not done in normal design |
| 21:48:37 | petur | I asked Linus to trace vbus and id to make sure |
| 21:48:57 | XavierGr | did you got a reply? |
| 21:49:06 | petur | he was busy at the time |
| 21:49:15 | petur | and now I am ;) |
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| 21:50:56 | [toffe] | XavierGr : did you receive my email |
| 21:51:25 | XavierGr | ah hello toffe I didn't realise you were here |
| 21:51:28 | XavierGr | yes I did |
| 21:51:43 | XavierGr | (you mean the reply to my first one right?) |
| 21:51:52 | [toffe] | yes |
| 21:52:00 | [toffe] | yuo send me another one ? |
| 21:52:33 | XavierGr | in the end I didn't bid on it, because the price went up far, the seller needed weird quirks to pay him and I was a bit unsure |
| 21:52:56 | XavierGr | no I didn't send another one. |
| 21:53:07 | [toffe] | like I told you , I bid on this one 3 weeks ago and he send me something else |
| 21:53:07 | XavierGr | but one of those days I am thinking to buy one from you |
| 21:53:22 | [toffe] | just tell me |
| 21:53:38 | [toffe] | I just got a F11 for 60$ |
| 21:53:52 | [toffe] | it is really nice, it is an japan import |
| 21:53:57 | XavierGr | F11? |
| 21:54:21 | XavierGr | I thought it was 20, 40 and 60 |
| 21:55:30 | perl|work | there are f11, f21 and f41 |
| 21:55:37 | perl|work | f41 is the same size as f11 and f20 |
| 21:55:42 | perl|work | different colors too |
| 21:55:46 | perl|work | only produced for japan |
| 21:56:19 | perl|work | all have new drive with perpendicular technology |
| 21:57:07 | XavierGr | hehe this just reminded me the "Get Perpendicular" song from toshiba :P |
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| 21:57:21 | indro | hi all |
| 21:57:26 | indro | is it possible to shuffle the whole database? |
| 21:58:21 | n1s | indro, yes |
| 21:58:32 | indro | nice, how? :) |
| 21:59:14 | n1s | playlist options->create playlist, turn shuffle on |
| 21:59:20 | n1s | should do it |
| 21:59:39 | Slasheri | for the database, hold select on artist -> playlist -> shuffle |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:24 | indro | okay, thanks! :)) |
| 22:00:36 | n1s | ah, yes that, should work too, I've never *used* the database ;-) |
| 22:00:51 | Slasheri | =) that's pretty handy |
| 22:01:09 | Slasheri | same for other entries too, such as "best tracks" |
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| 22:01:17 | indro | other thing: i get dir buffer full, whats that? |
| 22:01:27 | n1s | yes, but indexing the 30k of sid tunes in the hvsc was no fun :-P |
| 22:01:29 | linuxstb | Slasheri: I don't know if you're interested in fixing it, but tools/database.c doesn't compile any more. |
| 22:01:31 | Slasheri | you need to increase the dir buffer |
| 22:01:39 | Slasheri | that was something in system - limits |
| 22:01:51 | Slasheri | linuxstb: it should not compile |
| 22:01:52 | indro | okay cool, will do that. |
| 22:02:01 | Slasheri | linuxstb: that code is used nowhere now |
| 22:02:06 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Huh? It compiled in the past... |
| 22:02:15 | linuxstb | It's your standalone database builder. |
| 22:02:19 | Slasheri | ups.. |
| 22:02:24 | Slasheri | i read apps/database.c =) |
| 22:02:28 | blind | Where can I go to read up on the wps syntax? I tried searching on rockbox.org but it came up with a lot of mail archives and nothing substantial. |
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| 22:02:47 | linuxstb | Slasheri: It fails with button-target.h - because no target is specified.... |
| 22:02:49 | Slasheri | linuxstb: i should also implement the endianess-correction to the database |
| 22:03:32 | n1s | blind: appendix in the manual, or CustomWPS page in the wiki |
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| 22:03:47 | indro | is ipod loading battery when I plugin usb cable and use rockbox? |
| 22:04:13 | linuxstb | Yes, but it may be using more power than it draws via usb... |
| 22:04:37 | Slasheri | i wonder if settings.h really needs to include button.h |
| 22:04:43 | Slasheri | removing that probably fixes it |
| 22:04:53 | linuxstb | I think that's needed for the Hold-related settings. |
| 22:04:54 | indro | so whats the best for load battery? |
| 22:05:09 | n1s | indro: boot the OF |
| 22:05:10 | Slasheri | hmm, but shouldn't that be in config.h |
| 22:05:13 | blind | n1s: the appendix doesn't say much. There was a page I remember being at, it was like a tutorial for making your own theme. Maybe it's the CustomWPS in the wiki, I'll check that out. |
| 22:05:25 | indro | n1s, whats OF? |
| 22:05:28 | Slasheri | it only uses HAS_BUTTON_HOLD |
| 22:05:35 | blind | indro: original firmware |
| 22:05:38 | Slasheri | and that is target specific |
| 22:05:53 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Yes, that would probably be logical. |
| 22:05:53 | n1s | Original Firmware, iow, turn hold on while booting |
| 22:06:10 | indro | okay, thank you! |
| 22:07:15 | Slasheri | eh.. that HAS_BUTTON_HOLD is defined in button-target.h |
| 22:07:45 | Slasheri | well, probably that's logical too.. |
| 22:11:24 | Slasheri | hmm, is gwps.h include needed in metadata.c? probably not, trying |
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| 22:13:18 | Slasheri | linuxstb: fix committed |
| 22:13:24 | Slasheri | now sleep -> |
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| 22:25:09 | indro | im off, thx & cu! :) |
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| 22:48:33 | web-taz | good evening boys 'n girls... |
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| 22:49:46 | web-taz | i have got some questions about the mpegplugin... |
| 22:50:03 | web-taz | could anybody be so nice and try to answer me? |
| 22:50:24 | Bagder | ask and you shall see |
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| 22:51:47 | markun | web-taz: did you check the PluginMpegplayer wiki page? |
| 22:51:56 | web-taz | yes |
| 22:52:05 | web-taz | öhm i think yes |
| 22:52:05 | web-taz | ^^ |
| 22:52:21 | web-taz | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer <−− that? -> yes |
| 22:52:37 | markun | yes |
| 22:52:38 | n1s | Bagder: I made a bug report about the lang bug with using 'none' in FS #6652, if you want to have a look at it ;-) |
| 22:53:06 | * | Bagder whistles and look at the ceiling |
| 22:53:26 | n1s | :-P |
| 22:54:09 | markun | web-taz: so what's the question? |
| 22:54:11 | web-taz | my little problem is, that the videos from this site are functioning (sry for faults in language or so -> I'm German), but videos I converted by myself with help of the converter.bat just start to buffer, the sound runs, but there's no picture |
| 22:54:28 | Llorean | web-taz: What frame rate are they at? |
| 22:55:10 | Bagder | n1s: I'll investigate that later, but thanks for filing the issue |
| 22:55:10 | Llorean | MPEG-2 only supports certain frame rates, and if they aren't at a proper one (and you don't force it to convert), the encoder will just encode audio without video. |
| 22:55:29 | web-taz | mom |
| 22:56:15 | web-taz | one video was with 10, one large movie with 23.97 |
| 22:56:24 | n1s | Bagder: well, it doesn't exactly affect anything until the cleanup patch is comitted, and that depends on some other things too so no sweat :-) |
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| 22:56:43 | web-taz | but when it's the framerate then my problem should be solved |
| 22:57:51 | Llorean | web-taz: Try setting fps=25 in the .bat |
| 22:58:21 | web-taz | yes, |
| 22:58:32 | web-taz | i'm just trying |
| 22:59:20 | web-taz | well... |
| 22:59:41 | web-taz | why is rockbox using mpeg2 but the original firmware in iriver can handle xvid? |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:05 | web-taz | wouldn't it make a better quality with xvid? |
| 23:00:07 | Llorean | Not necessarily |
| 23:00:37 | Llorean | Considering how small the screen is, a lot of the benefits of MPEG-4 aren't necessarily relevant, and an MPEG-2 decoder was easier to adapt at the time. |
| 23:00:51 | Llorean | If you'd like to convert an MPEG-4 decoder though, feel free. |
| 23:01:33 | web-taz | well, not in the next time sry ;) |
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| 23:02:52 | web-taz | year! it works :D |
| 23:03:31 | web-taz | tomorrow's waiting for bus and train will no longer be such boring as before :D |
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| 23:03:59 | web-taz | o_O |
| 23:04:12 | web-taz | wow the video is quite 'asynchron' |
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| 23:04:56 | web-taz | just on the player... |
| 23:04:58 | web-taz | well |
| 23:05:01 | web-taz | now thx alot |
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| 23:05:05 | web-taz | and a gn8 |
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| 23:06:08 | n1s | web-taz: try encoding with lower bitrate |
| 23:06:17 | n1s | and lower fps |
| 23:06:39 | web-taz | which fps would fit? |
| 23:07:17 | web-taz | MPEG-2 only supports certain frame rates<−− which certain framerates? |
| 23:07:26 | obo | Bagder: I think my build server is down as arm and sim only?? It's got m68k and sh on it now if needed |
| 23:08:19 | perl|work | "a San Diego-based startup is poised to release a DAP that will not only let users get their share on, but actually enable direct-to-device downloads as well." |
| 23:08:21 | Llorean | web-taz: I think 15 is a valid option. |
| 23:08:35 | Bagder | obo: obo.gotdns.org is already marked for all 4 flavours actually |
| 23:08:39 | perl|work | former iRiver people involved |
| 23:09:07 | Llorean | perl|work: Tell them to email us. :-P |
| 23:09:17 | obo | Bagder: oh - strange, no masterlogs or build folders for any other flavour |
| 23:09:30 | Bagder | that's... strange |
| 23:10:09 | obo | about as strange as the 988 defunct processes on it just now before a reboot :) |
| 23:10:19 | perl|work | whole article |
| 23:10:19 | perl|work | http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,72693-0.html?tw=rss.index |
| 23:10:30 | [toffe] | question: I just receive a F11 gigabeat, the hard drive inside is a mk2006gal which is normally a 20gb, any idea how to unlock the 10gb remaining ? |
| 23:10:46 | [toffe] | it is the same drive use on ipod |
| 23:10:56 | Bagder | obo: I'll keep my eyes open and see if I find something |
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| 23:11:58 | [toffe] | it seems to be the same on the F10 also a 20gb downgrade to a 10gb |
| 23:11:58 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:12:16 | [toffe] | any idea anybody ? do you have this case on the ipod ? |
| 23:12:43 | n1s | [toffe]: doesn't fdisk or equivalent see the unpartitioned space? |
| 23:12:53 | DataGhost | grr, I wanted to type that ;( |
| 23:13:11 | [toffe] | no |
| 23:13:12 | n1s | :-P |
| 23:13:20 | DataGhost | it's probably locked in the hardware else guides would be crawling over the web |
| 23:13:24 | [toffe] | must be hidden by the firmware |
| 23:13:26 | DataGhost | and there would be no need to ask here :P |
| 23:13:36 | XavierGr | toffe are you serious? Toshiba included a 20GB drive and only 10GB is available? |
| 23:13:43 | [toffe] | yes |
| 23:13:51 | XavierGr | that's crazy from their part |
| 23:13:58 | XavierGr | (if the disk is 20 GB in the end) |
| 23:14:02 | DataGhost | indeed |
| 23:14:05 | [toffe] | we just confirm on the F11 and it seems on the F10, I will see tonoght |
| 23:14:16 | [toffe] | just marketing stuff |
| 23:14:43 | DataGhost | probably it's slightly cheaper than having 2 different production lines |
| 23:14:52 | Llorean | Since Toshiba makes the drives, maybe they just jammed 2006s with one bad platter in as a way to use 'defective' stock or something? Assuming that'd even work? |
| 23:14:54 | web-taz | a Framerate of 15Hz is the same as 15 fps? |
| 23:14:58 | XavierGr | hmm well you could always remove the disk and put it on a 1.8 case or another dap to make sure that the software is to blame |
| 23:15:21 | markun | Llorean: they have only 1 platter |
| 23:15:35 | Llorean | markun: Oh, sorry, I thought he said GAH not GAL. |
| 23:15:39 | XavierGr | yeah 20gb drives have one platter |
| 23:15:41 | markun | or maybe they are double sided and use only 1 side? |
| 23:15:53 | DataGhost | that would make them twice as slow, by the way |
| 23:16:09 | DataGhost | afaik :) |
| 23:16:24 | DataGhost | but it's probably in the software then... the 80GB iPod also 'lies' to the pc |
| 23:16:31 | linuxstb_ | web-taz: Probably... (unless it's interlaced and Hz refers to fields/second, not frames per second) |
| 23:17:37 | Llorean | Don't the Gigabeats have a hardware USB to ATA bridge? |
| 23:17:41 | markun | in case anyone is interested: firmware update for the MK2003GAH: http://www.dynabook.com/assistpc/download/modify/mk2003gah/xp/index_j.htm |
| 23:17:44 | markun | Llorean: yes |
| 23:17:55 | Llorean | So if it were lying, it'd be there that it happens, right? |
| 23:18:15 | markun | Llorean: no, probably in the HDD firmware |
| 23:19:06 | DataGhost | so you'd have to upload 'normal' firmware at the minor chance of bricking the drive |
| 23:19:20 | DataGhost | if it's identical in hardware |
| 23:19:30 | markun | DataGhost: yes, maybe :) |
| 23:19:47 | [toffe] | the problem is to find the firmware |
| 23:20:05 | DataGhost | is that write-only then? |
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| 23:22:25 | perl|work | using some defective platters for the double platter drive to make it 10gb sounds too crazy |
| 23:23:04 | DataGhost | and it still requires separate production lines |
| 23:23:05 | [toffe] | I think it is just firmware, I have to find out the firmware revision on differnet disk |
| 23:23:07 | Llorean | perl|work: It's a single platter drive anyway. |
| 23:23:13 | DataGhost | crippling firmware can be done through the player firmware |
| 23:23:46 | Llorean | DataGhost: My theory was using single platter drives, and any double platter ones that didn't pass QA on one of the platters. A way to cut losses, not so much an alternate manufacturing. |
| 23:24:13 | DataGhost | no but you'd need a separate line to use those drives |
| 23:24:21 | DataGhost | or do another testing pass after building the devices |
| 23:24:34 | DataGhost | and adjusting the firmware+player type to it's capabilities |
| 23:24:44 | * | Llorean shrugs |
| 23:24:58 | [toffe] | or just a an update firmware hard drive and software at the same time |
| 23:25:07 | DataGhost | yes that's what I suggested |
| 23:25:17 | DataGhost | same production line, different branding and software |
| 23:25:18 | [toffe] | sorry ;) |
| 23:25:30 | Llorean | It just seems really strange to intentionally cripple the drives, but stranger things have happened. |
| 23:25:38 | DataGhost | well Llorean |
| 23:25:43 | DataGhost | fictive: |
| 23:25:48 | DataGhost | 10gb drive = $50 |
| 23:25:51 | DataGhost | 20gb drive = $70 |
| 23:25:57 | DataGhost | separate production line = $30 |
| 23:25:59 | perl|work | it says everywhere that "apple uses the same but a modified drive" |
| 23:26:17 | perl|work | so it should be a matter of firmware i presume |
| 23:26:25 | DataGhost | takes just simple maths to see that a separate line with 10gb drives will be more expensive than 1 line with 20gb drives, so you just cripple the better drives |
| 23:26:32 | DataGhost | same thing happens with graphics cars |
| 23:26:33 | DataGhost | +d |
| 23:26:59 | Llorean | DataGhost: That assumes that it was cheaper to use crippled 20gb drives. That may or may not have been true. |
| 23:27:24 | DataGhost | no, but very probable |
| 23:27:30 | DataGhost | I'd do it :) |
| 23:27:32 | Llorean | With graphics cards and processors, it's a case of the hardware not being rated at the higher voltage or frequency. |
| 23:28:01 | DataGhost | and some cards have disabled vertex/pixel shaders, which can be enabled with mixed success |
| 23:28:11 | DataGhost | sometimes they are really broken, sometimes they work fine |
| 23:28:31 | DataGhost | usually they test that after manufacturing (in the beginning) |
| 23:28:37 | Llorean | But I'm sure testing will show whether it's possible to recover the other half of these drives. |
| 23:28:46 | DataGhost | later on, there are almost no broken cores so they just disable them intentionally |
| 23:28:52 | perl|work | http://hoct12.stores.yahoo.net/968.html |
| 23:29:07 | DataGhost | well, your method could be used too, with a test after the manufacturing |
| 23:29:09 | [toffe] | this is what I found about the mk2006gal for ipod : You have to update th ROM MEMORY OF DRIVE & Firmware, in order to use in APPLE IPOD |
| 23:29:11 | perl|work | "You have to update th ROM MEMORY OF DRIVE & Firmware, in order to use in APPLE IPOD " |
| 23:29:22 | [toffe] | :) |
| 23:29:22 | perl|work | ha |
| 23:29:25 | perl|work | yes |
| 23:29:27 | DataGhost | heh |
| 23:29:38 | Llorean | DataGhost: Which is kinda what I was suggesting. But it could be any manner of things. The important isn't 'why' but 'can we undo it?' |
| 23:29:48 | DataGhost | :) |
| 23:29:57 | DataGhost | one way to find out :P |
| 23:30:07 | DataGhost | but I don't have such a device |
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| 23:36:09 | markun | [toffe] has 2 :) |
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| 23:38:17 | webguest09 | can anyone give me a link to downloading the ipod mini firmware?? |
| 23:38:55 | markun | webguest09: do you have rockbox installed already? |
| 23:42:23 | webguest09 | no im going to get it installed |
| 23:42:27 | webguest09 | using that rockbox installer x |
| 23:42:31 | webguest09 | since i know its really easier |
| 23:42:40 | webguest09 | and i just need to locate the firmware |
| 23:42:44 | webguest09 | on it... |
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| 23:44:02 | linuxstb_ | http://www.rockbox.org |
| 23:44:18 | Llorean | webguest09: The only supported install method is that covered by our instructions. |
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| 23:46:04 | webguest09 | i know but a friend told me that it was alot easier |
| 23:46:10 | webguest09 | http://www.kreator666.gabeandco.info/rockbox/documentation.html |
| 23:47:09 | Llorean | webguest09: It may seem easier, but if it doesn't work right, you won't get any support here. |
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| 23:47:22 | Llorean | But any files you need are available at rockbox.org. |
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| 23:47:50 | webguest09 | well the current install thats supoorted by rockbox seems really hard |
| 23:47:54 | webguest09 | with all that command prompt stuff |
| 23:48:26 | webguest09 | so can someone give me the url for the ipod mini firmware...i can't find it on the site. |
| 23:48:30 | Llorean | You've already typed more lines in here than the instructions require you to type. |
| 23:48:56 | Llorean | But if you can't find the current build from the front page of the site, it's possible you shouldn't be experimenting with alternative firmwares. You're likely to get quite confused once you're in it. |
| 23:49:54 | Nico_P | markun: it looks like you forgot to correct the progressbar on the rockboxed background... |
| 23:50:08 | webguest09 | im not a noob llorean...i can code in php, c+, asl, asp, java, and python |
| 23:50:22 | Llorean | webguest09: C+ isn't a language. And I never suggested you were. |
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| 23:50:41 | Llorean | I suggested that the website is less confusing than the firmware. |
| 23:50:42 | webguest09 | it is just when i go to the releases i can only find everything but the ipod mini |
| 23:50:49 | bluebrother | the new beta version of ipodpatcher makes installing quite easy ... |
| 23:50:59 | webguest09 | cuz the website navigation sucks...ooops i shoudn't of said that. |
| 23:51:00 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: But not on the mini... |
| 23:51:00 | Llorean | bluebrother: He's on a Mini. Not supported by the new method yet. |
| 23:51:03 | webguest09 | can someone just give me aurl! |
| 23:51:18 | Llorean | webguest09: I even hinted VERY strongly where you can find the _Current Build_ |
| 23:51:22 | linuxstb_ | webguest09: There are three options under "Downloads" - explore... |
| 23:51:25 | Llorean | My word choice was careful. |
| 23:51:53 | webguest09 | you are genious'! |
| 23:52:00 | bluebrother | oh. Missed that :o |
| 23:52:02 | webguest09 | im 63 and trying to get this on my grandsons ipod! |
| 23:52:13 | webguest09 | so im tryin to learn this whole big wave about technology! |
| 23:52:26 | argonel | maybe you should let your grandson do the work instead. |
| 23:52:31 | markun | Nico_P: yes, I did :) |
| 23:52:42 | * | bluebrother remembers he heard something about programming c+ ... |
| 23:52:45 | Llorean | webguest09: Honestly, Rockbox on the iPod is not best suited for everyone. |
| 23:52:56 | webguest09 | my grandson isn't a noob... |
| 23:52:59 | bluebrother | whatever this language is supposed to be ;-) |
| 23:53:00 | webguest09 | i am :) i forgot to say that |
| 23:53:01 | Llorean | webguest09: It's possible you should read through the manual first. |
| 23:53:24 | Llorean | Being a 'noob' has nothing to do with it. |
| 23:53:29 | * | bluebrother suggests the FAQ too |
| 23:53:29 | Llorean | Many people just don't prefer it. |
| 23:53:29 | webguest09 | how can i tell if my grandsons mini is a first generation or second? |
| 23:53:29 | Mikachu | 63 year olds today aren't what they used to be :( |
| 23:53:39 | markun | Nico_P: just need to move the bottom down 1 pixel, right? |
| 23:53:42 | webguest09 | what did 63 year olds used to be? |
| 23:53:45 | bluebrother | grumpy old men? hehe. |
| 23:53:59 | Nico_P | markun: the whole bar should go down 1 pixel, yes |
| 23:54:03 | Mikachu | they usually have better grammar and don't write "cuz" |
| 23:54:19 | Nico_P | (i tested with my y-coord patch) |
| 23:54:29 | Llorean | webguest09: Seriously, try reading the manual before asking for random help. A lot of things are covered in it. |
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| 23:54:56 | bluebrother | left quickly ... |
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| 23:55:29 | scorche | well, you know how those 63 year olds are these days... |
| 23:55:33 | bluebrother | maybe he even _was_ a grumpy old man? *wonders* |
| 23:55:48 | Llorean | A grumpy old man who's fond of the word 'noob' :) |
| 23:55:51 | bluebrother | I'd rather doubt he was 63. |
| 23:56:04 | ildella | Hi. I have Loader2 running on nano1g and ipodlinux appears from the menu and starts ok. I am trying to put also rockbox kernel on ipod but i can't figure out where to unzip the rockbox.zip file: it did not appear in loader menu neither if i put in / nor in /boot (where linux kernel is). Any advice?= |
| 23:56:21 | Llorean | ildella: It needs to be in a fat32 partition. |
| 23:56:28 | ildella | ah, ok |
| 23:56:33 | Llorean | ildella: But Loader2 isn't supported by use, you need to ask its providers where it looks for things |
| 23:56:33 | ildella | in the root is ok? |
| 23:56:49 | Llorean | It should be, yes. |
| 23:56:57 | ildella | i try right now :) |
| 23:56:57 | ildella | tnx |
| 23:58:34 | markun | Nico_P: why are some of the pg- bitmaps taller than the pgln- bitmaps? |
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