| 00:00:17 | Nico_P | BigBambi: i did't make any changes to the grayscale versions because there is no "rail" bitmap for the progressbar |
| 00:00:23 | BigBambi | aha |
| 00:00:30 | BigBambi | I thought it must be something like that |
| 00:00:31 | preglow | \o/ |
| 00:00:51 | Mikachu | | |
| 00:00:59 | preglow | \ |
| 00:01:06 | preglow | damn! |
| 00:01:06 | preglow | forgot about command slash |
| 00:01:06 | petur | /\ |
| 00:01:11 | Mikachu | heh, i made the same mistake but didn't press enter in time |
| 00:01:15 | BigBambi | me too |
| 00:01:18 | Mikachu | / / \ works |
| 00:01:31 | Mikachu | sorry about that though :) |
| 00:01:34 | preglow | haha |
| 00:01:50 | Mikachu | what are we celebrating? |
| 00:02:00 | preglow | my -700 bytes for coldfire targets |
| 00:02:28 | dan_a | The fact that now you can get green for optimising stuff, there have been 3 commits in the last hour to shave size! |
| 00:02:28 | Bagder | ok, the delta column is now average |
| 00:02:28 | Mikachu | everyone wants their piece of the green cake |
| 00:02:47 | BigBambi | preglow: coldfire being the ones that really need it :) |
| 00:02:53 | dionoea | hum, icons in the menus are cool :) |
| 00:03:08 | preglow | BigBambi: oh sure, yes, the 0 minus for archoses really saved the day too |
| 00:03:18 | BigBambi | lol, yeah |
| 00:03:19 | preglow | can't help it, i'm an swcodec kinda guy |
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| 00:03:33 | preglow | jhMikeS: awake? |
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| 00:04:25 | * | Nico_P feels the pressure for a green commit |
| 00:04:39 | Mikachu | yep, that table was definitely my best idea today |
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| 00:04:55 | BigBambi | Watching it is almost hypnotic |
| 00:04:57 | preglow | hehe |
| 00:05:07 | preglow | amiconn has gotten his tool of the year, that's for sure |
| 00:05:19 | preglow | even i want to optimise for size now :P |
| 00:05:25 | midkay_ | hey JdGordon? |
| 00:05:27 | pixelma | neat to see some optimising too today :) |
| 00:05:39 | Mikachu | now we just need a code style table for JdGordon ;) |
| 00:05:40 | JdGordon | hey midkay_ |
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| 00:05:46 | preglow | Mikachu: ahahah |
| 00:05:55 | JdGordon | can you do an icon for the lcd remote please? |
| 00:06:24 | midkay_ | oops :) |
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| 00:06:42 | midkay | JdGordon: sorry, last night you asked if i was still around - still need me? |
| 00:06:59 | JdGordon | that was so i could ask aobut the icon |
| 00:07:06 | amiconn | Ah, JdGordon :) |
| 00:07:10 | Nico_P | looks like my cuesheet commit triggered some sort of optimising frenzy :p |
| 00:07:10 | midkay | JdGordon: which? |
| 00:07:22 | amiconn | JdGordon: I found 2 bugs in the new menus on the player: |
| 00:07:53 | JdGordon | midkay: lcd remote for the display menus... |
| 00:07:53 | LinusN | amiconn: player dies when trying to spin up :-( |
| 00:07:54 | amiconn | (1) On entering, the "Param" icons gets activated correctly, but on leaving it doesn't get deactivated again |
| 00:08:28 | midkay | JdGordon: lcd remote for the display menus? huh? |
| 00:08:33 | amiconn | (2) The menu has a headline even though it shouldn't. The headline is too much of a waste with only 2 lines in total |
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| 00:08:50 | JdGordon | midkay: and icon for the lcd remote submenu in the display menu... |
| 00:09:02 | * | JdGordon was rudly woken by the phone and should stilll be asleep |
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| 00:09:18 | midkay | JdGordon: haha, oh, alright.. |
| 00:09:19 | amiconn | LinusN: Oh :( Is this on power on, or when actually sending the spinup command? Or does the disk spin up automatically? |
| 00:09:23 | JdGordon | amiconn: ok ta |
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| 00:10:04 | LinusN | amiconn: when spinning up for buffer refill |
| 00:10:22 | Nico_P | Bagder: maybe one (last?) thing that could be done on the size table: group columns by CPU type |
| 00:10:51 | Llorean | Bagder: I think "It rebuffers" is about the extent of it re the other video player. |
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| 00:11:30 | Bagder | Nico_P: I think I'll work on getting the order to the same as the table above |
| 00:11:42 | amiconn | LinusN: I thought so. I mean which step of the spinup causes it to die? |
| 00:11:58 | * | amiconn also wonders how it works on power up then |
| 00:12:02 | JdGordon | haha aweoms... |
| 00:12:18 | * | JdGordon didnt even see the new table on the builds page till just now |
| 00:12:24 | LinusN | amiconn: i think it works on powerup because the user holds the ON button |
| 00:12:45 | amiconn | Hmm, strange |
| 00:12:56 | LinusN | very |
| 00:13:23 | amiconn | I wonder what's the difference between this and the ROM 5.x hardware versions |
| 00:13:56 | amiconn | Well, we could hold the On button electronically.... |
| 00:14:15 | * | amiconn should check what the of does |
| 00:14:26 | amiconn | LinusN: What rom version is that? |
| 00:14:41 | LinusN | 4.53 |
| 00:15:31 | LinusN | i gotta go now, cu tomorrow |
| 00:15:51 | amiconn | ATA power is PB4, On button is PA5 |
| 00:16:29 | * | LinusN goes to sleep |
| 00:16:32 | LinusN | nite all |
| 00:16:37 | preglow | nite |
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| 00:22:53 | midkay | JdGordon: having a bit of trouble coming up with an LCD remote icon, maybe you can just reuse the display one for now if you aren't already? |
| 00:23:23 | JdGordon | ok |
| 00:23:46 | midkay | or, what do you think about just a smaller version of the display icon.. sec. |
| 00:24:22 | JdGordon | amiconn: ok, i think ive fixed both those bugs, do you want to test or rely on the sim? |
| 00:24:32 | midkay | JdGordon: midkay.net/lcdremote.bmp">http://www.midkay.net/lcdremote.bmp |
| 00:24:57 | Llorean | midkay: Why not cut the bit on the bottom off, and rotate the image 45 degrees? |
| 00:25:39 | Llorean | And then since it looks 4 pixels tall, add two pixels of bump on one of the ends to sorta simulate the shape of at least the current LCD remotes? |
| 00:25:47 | midkay | so it's a vertical box? doesn't read too well, i tried all sorts of boxes, something that looked like a remote (and a filing cabinet)... this seems like it works fine. |
| 00:25:51 | Llorean | Diagonal box. |
| 00:25:53 | JdGordon | midkay: or, cut the bitt off the bottom, and attach what looks like a wire to the side? |
| 00:26:57 | midkay | Llorean: i already tried diagonal one, no good. (and yes, with a cord, even worse.) |
| 00:27:16 | midkay | JdGordon: then it has to get bigger or smaller or you have a huge 2 pixel cord and it's way out of proportion. |
| 00:27:27 | JdGordon | ok |
| 00:27:39 | midkay | i think this is the way to go, 6x8 is a really limited space, all we can really do is indicate a smaller display. |
| 00:30:25 | Llorean | midkay: I was thinking more something like this: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/146/391545809_33ade4bb05.jpg?v=0 |
| 00:31:11 | midkay | to me that looks like a jaggy angled box with a pointed end :) |
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| 00:32:11 | MonkeyTamer | Is it normal for the boost to be at 100% during mp3 playback on an ipod? |
| 00:32:36 | midkay | which ipod? |
| 00:32:41 | MonkeyTamer | color |
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| 00:32:53 | MonkeyTamer | I tested a FLAC file, which falls to less than 40% |
| 00:32:54 | Llorean | midkay: To me it's at least vaguely recognizable as an H100/H300 LCD remote. :-P |
| 00:33:28 | MonkeyTamer | a VBR mp3 I tried however remains at 100% |
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| 00:33:34 | midkay | Llorean: haha. no offense of course. 6x8 is just too limited.. so those are our options. a semi-recognizable sorta-LCD remote, or a smaller display icon. |
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| 00:33:53 | Llorean | midkay: I think the smaller LCD icon looks worse, from a 'unique recognizability' aspect. |
| 00:34:29 | Llorean | But it's really just a matter of opinion, I suppose. |
| 00:34:32 | midkay | right, we just want something that reads well enough. i think "smaller display" works out well enough for that. |
| 00:35:01 | Llorean | midkay: Why not drop the 'monitor stand' bit of your image, and then slide the rectangle down so it's centered vertically at least? |
| 00:35:24 | Llorean | And can it be made the full width, instead of width-1? |
| 00:35:32 | midkay | because then it's just a box and not so recognizable. monitor = display.. box = .. could be just about anything. |
| 00:35:55 | Llorean | You do have words next to it to give a few more clues... |
| 00:36:06 | midkay | haha. may as well not have icons, though. |
| 00:36:08 | MonkeyTamer | hmm... same result with a cbr mp3 as well.. |
| 00:36:30 | Llorean | midkay: I guarantee, if I were just looking at the icons, I wouldn't think an electrical plug went to plugins. |
| 00:36:39 | midkay | MonkeyTamer: ipod color is definitely about the worst-running ipod we support, i hear it's quite crashy and inefficient. |
| 00:36:51 | MonkeyTamer | yes, unfortunately that is so |
| 00:37:01 | Llorean | They don't have to match perfectly, what is most important is that the icons stand out relative to the others, and at least have *some* similarity. For LCD remote, once they've read the text once, they'll see 'an empty rectangly' as a symbol of the remote screen. |
| 00:37:08 | Llorean | They're always going to have to read the text a first time. |
| 00:37:15 | MonkeyTamer | doesn't really crash with koc, but it's the battery mostly |
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| 00:37:30 | Llorean | MonkeyTamer: Is this 100% with the KoC? What other settings have you changed? |
| 00:37:35 | midkay | Llorean: this could be debated all day - icon not representing string, string not representing icon. you can tell that the plug next to plugins makes sense. a box next to lcd remote is just... plain and ambiguous. |
| 00:37:53 | MonkeyTamer | I haven't patched anything else, but I have been using crossfeed |
| 00:37:54 | Llorean | And a squished up monitor isn't? |
| 00:37:56 | MonkeyTamer | I'll play with that |
| 00:38:17 | Llorean | MonkeyTamer: Crossfeed uses some additional CPU. Of course, the bitrate of the MP3 also matters. |
| 00:38:25 | midkay | Llorean: squished up? i shrunk it so it remains the correct aspect. the term you want to use is "smaller", and yes, it's smaller, nice observation. |
| 00:38:41 | Llorean | midkay: The LCD remotes aren't the same aspect. |
| 00:38:45 | MonkeyTamer | I have been using 192 cbr, as well as 256 vbr |
| 00:38:47 | Llorean | midkay: At least the ones so far. |
| 00:38:54 | midkay | a monitor doesn't look at all like lcd remotes. |
| 00:39:07 | midkay | i'm portraying a monitor (with a stand), not an LCD remote with a stand. |
| 00:39:10 | MonkeyTamer | ok, crossfeed dropped it, but it sounds terrible... |
| 00:39:17 | Llorean | midkay: Clearly, as the remotes don't have a stand. |
| 00:39:31 | Llorean | midkay: My point is, yours is just as un-representative as mine, but at least mine is a *different* image. |
| 00:39:32 | midkay | so what does a monitor with a stand have anything to do with the aspect of an LCD remote? |
| 00:39:52 | Llorean | It stands out alongside the others more, or should. |
| 00:40:01 | Llorean | Even if it's boring on its own. |
| 00:40:05 | midkay | Llorean: it should be pretty clear a difference (2 pixels shorter, 1 pixel narrower) makes all the difference in a 6x8 icon. |
| 00:40:25 | MonkeyTamer | finally got a drop; crossfeed on, koc, 85% boost |
| 00:42:24 | Llorean | midkay: Look, I just wanted to register my protest. I think that choice is a bad choice. Mine may not be good, but I don't think a smaller monitor is the right one in this case. |
| 00:43:53 | midkay | Llorean: i think it isn't ideal. i also think that tiny 6x8 monochrome icons are not ideal. that's something that has to be lived with, at least for now. i think the monitor gives a better indication of a display menu for a smaller screen, as opposed to a simple faceless box. neither of them are ideal. |
| 00:44:06 | Soap | solid black box with a white R |
| 00:44:39 | Llorean | midkay: A very clearly rectangular box, I think, will be fairly indicative to people who actually have LCD remotes, especially after they've read the words even once. |
| 00:44:49 | MonkeyTamer | wow... FLAC is giving me less than 20% boost |
| 00:45:03 | Llorean | MonkeyTamer: FLAC is a very efficiently decoding codec. |
| 00:45:16 | MonkeyTamer | I didn't realize just how much so |
| 00:45:22 | midkay | Soap: that works in its own way too. |
| 00:45:58 | midkay | Llorean: you could grow accustomed to either of them. i don't think one really works better than the other. |
| 00:46:30 | Llorean | midkay: I think anyone can go accustomed to either, but having a distinctly contrasting icon helps. |
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| 00:47:20 | midkay | Llorean: i'm tired of this, i don't care which one gets used. it's just an icon. give JdGordon a blank rectangle. |
| 00:47:21 | Alonea | hey the rockbox logo does not take you to the homepage on the "patches" page |
| 00:47:23 | Llorean | I just don't feel that repeating the same icon, only smaller, really qualifies as a contrast. But it's not my decision, you're the one making them so it's kinda your pick. |
| 00:47:26 | * | JdGordon hopes to be the first to get 4 digits deltas in the new table :) |
| 00:47:45 | Soap | Anyone with iPod accessories you know work (or know DON'T work) with Rockbox, please add to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories |
| 00:48:00 | linuxstb | JdGordon: In what direction? |
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| 00:48:32 | JdGordon | linuxstb down :) |
| 00:48:32 | Soap | four digit red might be grounds for execution. |
| 00:48:40 | Soap | yellow |
| 00:48:42 | Llorean | Might? |
| 00:49:12 | JdGordon | 4 digit red isnt that hard to do |
| 00:49:18 | pixelma | well... then Nico_P was lucky that the table didn't exist while he was adding cue sheet support... |
| 00:49:19 | Soap | Llorean: whoa, I forgot you were Texan ;) |
| 00:50:09 | Nico_P | pixelma: yes.. but it's kinda thanks to me that it was added :p |
| 00:51:15 | Nico_P | ah... just read the 4 digits bit :) |
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| 00:52:10 | Nico_P | JdGordon: what do you intend to get 4 digits green with ? |
| 00:52:23 | JdGordon | converting the display menu |
| 00:52:28 | Nico_P | ok |
| 00:53:43 | pixelma | that reminds me - safetydan: how far has the lung cleanup come? I'm mainly asking if there is something that a non-coder could do to help with it. |
| 00:53:58 | pixelma | eh... lang too ;) |
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| 00:56:47 | |Rincewind| | jdGordon: just a quick question, are you going to convert the onplay menu, too? |
| 00:57:30 | JdGordon | proabbly... but not yet |
| 00:59:24 | |Rincewind| | and the root menu patch was broken by the cue sheet commit |
| 00:59:52 | JdGordon | bah, ok |
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| 01:00:51 | |Rincewind| | I was able to fix one hunk but then I gave up, because the next one would have required to understand the code |
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| 01:02:15 | |Rincewind| | I have a suggestion for the root menu: pressing menu inside the root menu could be a short cut to enter the settings |
| 01:03:19 | JdGordon | no it cant :) the code wouldnt allow that to work so well iirc |
| 01:04:05 | |Rincewind| | that's bad, I was hoping to add this in my personal build if it doesn't get official support |
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| 01:10:00 | Llorean | dan_a: I'm curious which part of my statement the guy was 'Duh' ing at. |
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| 01:11:08 | dan_a | Llorean: I was, too. People are strange! |
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| 01:21:01 | perldiver | latest build breaks theme selection |
| 01:21:25 | perldiver | if you chose any theme it just resets to the old one after you try to go back from settings menu |
| 01:21:31 | perldiver | gigabeat target |
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| 01:23:11 | Llorean | dan_a: Clearly this person is just eager to try random stuff... |
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| 01:25:47 | perldiver | settings menu takes longer to load now |
| 01:25:55 | perldiver | just randomly reset now as well |
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| 01:26:03 | dan_a_ | Llorean: That's impressively random! |
| 01:26:44 | Llorean | dan_a_: Either he's reading a tutorial from someplace strange, or the descriptions in ipodpatcher were clear enough to allow him to make the exactly right wrong solution. |
| 01:26:59 | * | linuxstb goes to read the forums |
| 01:27:27 | * | dan_a_ has a Linux machine again! :D |
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| 01:38:49 | Gigabeater | Hey! Can anyone confirm if Rockbox voids the Futureshop and Toshiba Gigabeat warranties? |
| 01:39:27 | Llorean | Gigabeater: Have you read the warranty? Generally they warranty itself makes clear what is or isn't allowed. |
| 01:39:37 | Gigabeater | I can't find it |
| 01:41:41 | charkins | Gigabeater: http://cdgenp01.csd.toshiba.com/content/support/pdf_files/stdwar/pma500072010_web.pdf |
| 01:41:55 | charkins | I think that's the warranty for it. |
| 01:42:03 | Gigabeater | Thank you! Another question; How do I put music onto my mp3 player with Rockbox? just drag and drop? |
| 01:42:21 | Llorean | Yes |
| 01:43:01 | Gigabeater | And I can easily delete rockbox and boot to my original firmware whenever I need to? |
| 01:43:14 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 01:43:33 | Gigabeater | Cool.. |
| 01:43:41 | Llorean | As long as you follow the install instructions properly |
| 01:43:44 | * | Domonoky updated the rbUtil patch, now it can also uninstall the bootloaders.. win binary: domonoky/rbutil.zip">http://b23.org/~domonoky/rbutil.zip Warning untested ! |
| 01:44:17 | Gigabeater | This warrenty things is kind of iffy to me right now, because I spent something like 85 dollars on a three year Futureshop warrenty and if it gets void, I'm going to be pissed. |
| 01:44:23 | Gigabeater | I see. |
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| 01:44:47 | Llorean | Gigabeater: Generally speaking warranties don't allow you to modify your hardware, and most places would consider this a warranty voiding modification. |
| 01:44:57 | Gigabeater | Bah.. |
| 01:45:09 | Gigabeater | I guess I'll ask them directly. |
| 01:45:51 | Gigabeater | But what should I ask? "Does dual booting with a third party software void my warrenty?" |
| 01:46:06 | charkins | My guess is you're better off not saying anything. |
| 01:46:38 | charkins | If you have a hardware problem, you should be able to restore the original software. If the disk/flash is bad, they probably won't notice it has rockbox on it. |
| 01:47:05 | Gigabeater | I'm thinking of lying to them near the end of my warrenty and hopefully gettign a new unit |
| 01:47:19 | Gigabeater | But yes |
| 01:47:49 | Gigabeater | How long do you think it will be before Rockbox hads a solid build for the Gigabeat |
| 01:48:41 | linuxstb | Domonoky: Did you make any changes to fix compiling in Unix? i.e. all the windows-isms in fwpatcher? |
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| 01:50:05 | Llorean | Gigabeater: I'd consider the current one 'solid'. Using a vague word like that makes it unclear what you're asking. |
| 01:50:07 | Domonoky | i didnt made a make file for Unix.. |
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| 01:50:39 | Domonoky | did you change anything for compiling in Unix ? |
| 01:51:07 | Gigabeater | Llorean: Sorry.. it just seems to be the least popular on the site, and seems like some of the other players have more "bug-free" software. |
| 01:51:19 | Llorean | Least popular? |
| 01:51:24 | Domonoky | because is use only the non windows-isms files in fwpatcher :-) |
| 01:51:35 | Gigabeater | I was just wondering if the Gigabeat's was comparable |
| 01:51:38 | linuxstb | Domonoky: Yes, basically replacing TCHAR with char and using fopen instead of the odd fopen that was there before. I assume I've broken unicode support... |
| 01:52:00 | Gigabeater | I had a hard time finding information on Rockbox for Gigabeat |
| 01:52:10 | Llorean | That's because 99.9% of the information is just "Rockbox" |
| 01:52:12 | linuxstb | That's because Rockbox is Rockbox... |
| 01:52:33 | Llorean | Other than what buttons to press, there's really not much specific to the gigabeat. |
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| 01:52:41 | Domonoky | Ah, no i didnt change this.. |
| 01:52:47 | Gigabeater | I thought the resolution might coem into play |
| 01:52:56 | Gigabeater | It's screen is quite different than other players |
| 01:53:03 | Domonoky | like to share your changes with me so i can integrate it into the patch ? |
| 01:53:29 | Llorean | Gigabeater: And what exactly would that affect, other than maybe what plugins run on it (and those are listed in the manual and PluginIndex) |
| 01:54:17 | linuxstb | Domonoky: My changes will probably break standalone compilation of fwpatcher though.... Forget it for now, and I'll try and find a cleaner solution after I move fwpatcher in SVN. |
| 01:54:23 | Gigabeater | I'm not sure; I'm just trying to be more safe than sorry. |
| 01:54:32 | Llorean | Gigabeater: Have you read the PDF manual? |
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| 01:54:49 | linuxstb | Domonoky: Did you change where rbutil reads rbutil.ini from? |
| 01:54:53 | Gigabeater | For Rockbox? No, not yet. |
| 01:54:57 | Phalangees | latest svn build causes many problems on the gigabeat |
| 01:55:13 | Domonoky | yes.. |
| 01:55:16 | Phalangees | just built 5 minutes ago. it keeps restarting rockbox when doing stuff in settings |
| 01:55:40 | Gigabeater | So if I'm going to install, get the previous one? |
| 01:56:09 | Domonoky | i could also copy all functions from fwpatcher (and convert them to normal c) |
| 01:56:12 | JdGordon | perldiver: browse themes works fine for me |
| 01:56:16 | Llorean | Gigabeater: If you wanted Gigabeat-specific stuff, I'd have thought the Rockbox on Gigabeat manual would be the *First* place you'd look. |
| 01:56:25 | perldiver | JdGordon try to go back |
| 01:56:28 | perldiver | from the settings |
| 01:56:32 | perldiver | after you picked one |
| 01:56:42 | JdGordon | illinstr? |
| 01:56:46 | Gigabeater | I did look there, but to be honest it's almost too thoughough |
| 01:56:48 | JdGordon | yeah, just fixed that |
| 01:57:13 | perldiver | doesnt reset for you JdGordon? |
| 01:57:30 | JdGordon | the player or the theme? |
| 01:57:40 | perldiver | the theme |
| 01:57:46 | perldiver | screen goes black |
| 01:57:50 | perldiver | and the old theme is back |
| 01:58:05 | JdGordon | no, the theme loads fine here |
| 01:58:14 | perldiver | ok ater you load it |
| 01:58:24 | perldiver | go back to root |
| 01:58:28 | Phalangees | i've got the same problem JdGordon |
| 01:58:43 | JdGordon | im back in root.. still shows the new theme |
| 01:58:59 | JdGordon | maybe you guys are trying to load a theme without a bg inmage and the old one had? |
| 01:59:07 | perldiver | happens with any theme |
| 01:59:12 | linuxstb | Domonoky: That may be easier... |
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| 01:59:21 | Phalangees | it's not only the themes reseting. it restarts rockbox entirely |
| 01:59:37 | perldiver | yeah seems so, its a full restart |
| 01:59:38 | Llorean | perldiver: He's using a newer build than you are. |
| 01:59:38 | JdGordon | Phalangees: ok, thats a bug i just fixed |
| 01:59:55 | perldiver | ah |
| 01:59:56 | JdGordon | which player is this? |
| 01:59:59 | perldiver | gigabeat |
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| 02:00:05 | perldiver | i built around 20 min ago |
| 02:00:12 | perldiver | is that an even newer update? |
| 02:00:14 | JdGordon | svn up and rebuild |
| 02:00:16 | JdGordon | 2min ago |
| 02:00:19 | Phalangees | JdGordon: Ok thanks. sorry for bugging you. |
| 02:00:19 | perldiver | ok let me try |
| 02:00:23 | perldiver | ha ok |
| 02:00:31 | * | JdGordon wonders why the gb doesnt show the panic screen? |
| 02:00:39 | perldiver | panic screen? |
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| 02:01:00 | Gigabeater | I found my Owner's manual and it says nothing about software installation on there.. the closest thign to an infringement I found was "In no event shall TCL be liable for consequential or incidental damages including [...] modification or erasure of recorded data caused by use" |
| 02:01:04 | JdGordon | on the ipods and iriver, this crash shows a screen saying what the illegal instrcution was |
| 02:01:25 | pixelma | on the Archos too ;) |
| 02:01:40 | linuxstb | Maybe it isn't implemented on the gigabeat yet. |
| 02:01:57 | perldiver | ah |
| 02:01:59 | Llorean | Users have a tendency to think the screen is telling *them* to panic. |
| 02:02:02 | amiconn | JdGordon: I guess the bug caused a call to address zero, which doesn't necessarily mean there will be an illegal instruction exception |
| 02:02:04 | perldiver | nice feature to have |
| 02:02:06 | Phalangees | just to let you guys now... rockbox is the most amazing thing ever. thanks very much. |
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| 02:02:17 | amiconn | Maybe there's something valid at address zero on gigabeat |
| 02:02:24 | JdGordon | could be... anyway, the bug was easy to fix |
| 02:02:34 | JdGordon | forgot to actually assign a alue to the function * :p |
| 02:02:36 | amiconn | Some reset sequence, for instance |
| 02:02:56 | amiconn | JdGordon: Is an alue related to a enu? ;) |
| 02:03:15 | JdGordon | hehe yes |
| 02:03:27 | Gigabeater | If I install Rockbox and delete it later, will the company know if I installed it or not |
| 02:03:31 | * | amiconn knows that keyboards sometimes don't want to behave |
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| 02:03:40 | Phalangees | Gigabeater: no |
| 02:03:46 | JdGordon | tupid eyboard s issing he irts ey ff verey ord ype |
| 02:03:48 | Llorean | Gigabeater: Probably not, but lying to them about it could be considered fraud. |
| 02:04:02 | Phalangees | Gigabeater: just make sure you keep a back - up of your original files |
| 02:04:11 | Gigabeater | But if they don't ask me, I wouldnt be lying |
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| 02:04:12 | amiconn | lol |
| 02:04:36 | Phalangees | i've taken apart my gigabeat so many times there's no way any place would touch it. :) |
| 02:04:41 | Gigabeater | Okay.. I guess I'll install it. |
| 02:04:58 | Llorean | Gigabeater: You did already admit that you were going to attempt to defraud them once your warranty was nearing expiry. |
| 02:05:09 | Phalangees | Gigabeater: if you need help specific to the gigabeat you could stop by #gigabeat |
| 02:05:10 | Gigabeater | I know.. xd |
| 02:05:25 | Llorean | Phalangees: Nothing rockbox-related should be discussed in there though. |
| 02:05:41 | Gigabeater | I'll stay here |
| 02:05:44 | Gigabeater | I'm getting good help |
| 02:05:47 | Phalangees | Llorean: oh. ok. :( |
| 02:06:04 | Gigabeater | So what build should I get.. the latest one? |
| 02:06:06 | Llorean | Phalangees: Are they ignoring that again? This is supposed to be the official support channel. |
| 02:06:09 | Llorean | Gigabeater: Yes. |
| 02:06:31 | Phalangees | well some just hang out in there. usually it's about gigabeat stuff and not rockbox |
| 02:06:41 | Llorean | Phalangees: The thing is, 99.9% of support questions aren't related to target-specific issues, and those of us who try to support multiple targets can't learn things about single targets by listening if you guys try to fork support locations. |
| 02:07:08 | perldiver | Llorean we send them all here |
| 02:07:09 | Phalangees | Llorean: i'm sorry i didn't know. |
| 02:07:14 | Llorean | perldiver: THanks. |
| 02:07:20 | Phalangees | :( |
| 02:07:28 | Phalangees | i'm just gonna go |
| 02:07:31 | Phalangees | sorry |
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| 02:07:56 | perldiver | markun and me watch the rockbox discussion in there |
| 02:08:10 | perldiver | its mostly gigabeat hardware now |
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| 02:08:31 | Llorean | perldiver: It's just very hard to discourage the view of "Rockbox on Gigabeat" being different from just "Rockbox" when people look elsewhere for support. :) |
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| 02:12:39 | Gigabeater | Sorry guys! |
| 02:12:47 | Gigabeater | My internet crapped out |
| 02:14:05 | Gigabeater | So.. how exactly do I download the build? Do I click on the green 0 below my player? |
| 02:14:59 | perldiver | Gigabeater id start with reading the gigabeat wiki page and manual |
| 02:15:06 | perldiver | let me link you |
| 02:15:16 | Mikachu | Gigabeater: what's hard to understand about "below the table"? |
| 02:15:16 | Gigabeater | okie dokie |
| 02:15:22 | perldiver | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort |
| 02:15:37 | Gigabeater | I'm dumb |
| 02:15:38 | Gigabeater | Thanks |
| 02:15:39 | perldiver | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/rockbox-build.html |
| 02:15:52 | perldiver | thats all the info you need to know to start |
| 02:16:06 | Gigabeater | thank you |
| 02:16:19 | perldiver | enjoy |
| 02:16:19 | Gigabeater | I'll be back later with some more questions I'm sure. |
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| 02:19:20 | jacksont123 | hello |
| 02:24:49 | * | linuxstb commits Chopper and prays for a warning/error-free build table. |
| 02:26:00 | perldiver | linuxstb is there a screen orientation option in chopper? |
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| 02:26:22 | linuxstb | perldiver: No. |
| 02:27:20 | perldiver | might be less fun in portrait mode on gigabeat |
| 02:27:30 | linuxstb | Then you know what to do :) |
| 02:27:41 | safetydan | linuxstb, was that with or without menus? |
| 02:27:42 | pixelma | nice that it works on all targets now :) |
| 02:27:52 | linuxstb | safetydan: With Rockbox menus. |
| 02:28:15 | linuxstb | pixelma: It's very difficult on the Archos devices though - I didn't adjust the size of the helicopter :) |
| 02:28:24 | linuxstb | But playable. |
| 02:28:29 | safetydan | I had a lot problems with that crashing after entering and exiting the menu a few times. |
| 02:28:37 | linuxstb | Yes, I fixed that. |
| 02:28:55 | safetydan | ah, good |
| 02:28:55 | pixelma | what will "right" do on Ondio? |
| 02:28:58 | linuxstb | It was simply returning from the switch() without calling menu_quit. |
| 02:29:33 | linuxstb | There is a single control in chopper - "thrust". It moves your helicopter up. |
| 02:30:02 | Llorean | linuxstb: How do you feel about the 'Conway's Game of Life' plugin? (Though I think it's still considered 'unfinished' by the author, not sure) |
| 02:30:14 | pixelma | why not "up" then - and "off" for quit (IIUC) |
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| 02:31:17 | linuxstb | I only chose RIGHT because (from looking at the keymaps) it seemed to be the "do something" key on the Ondio. But it's easily changed. |
| 02:32:03 | linuxstb | The code allows an alternative key to be used as well. On the irivers, it's either NAVI or UP. |
| 02:32:28 | Soap | make him give us state loading and saving before it gets commited! ;) (Life) |
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| 02:33:00 | jacksont123 | any word on the progress of the mpegplayer? |
| 02:33:11 | xbansheex | Does rockbox work on 5.5gen 80g iPods? It's not listed on the website, has anyone tried it? |
| 02:33:48 | Soap | xbansheex: it does not work at this time - it is being worked on - the problem is known - no ETA |
| 02:33:57 | Llorean | Soap: That's about how I feel, state loading and saving, and maybe the option to load mono.bmps as a state? |
| 02:34:14 | Soap | Llorean: I was thinking text files, but .bmp would be tight. |
| 02:34:24 | xbansheex | So, it won't work if I load the 60gig version onto it? |
| 02:34:29 | Soap | xbansheex: no |
| 02:34:41 | Llorean | Well, it could have its own format, associated as a viewer, but mono.bmps would allow anyone to easily prep a state (use with the "Open With" command, I assume) |
| 02:34:53 | xbansheex | :-(\ |
| 02:35:00 | Soap | there is a reason the front page says that the 80 GB is not supported - if it was as simple as using another build, we would advertise that. |
| 02:35:19 | Soap | Llorean: you are right, and it would make for fun exports. |
| 02:35:39 | Soap | though, hell, while at it, make it export animated .gifs of the run. |
| 02:35:42 | Soap | ;) |
| 02:36:12 | Llorean | :-P |
| 02:36:12 | pixelma | linuxstb: sure, keymap changes are one of the few things I could do myself... btw. about the different difficulty: I find brickmania for example to be much harder on my Ondio too ;) |
| 02:36:24 | Llorean | Soap: Mono bmp is a good bit easier to use. ;) |
| 02:36:49 | Llorean | pixelma: I don't think brickmania properly adjusts the ball speed for scale changes. |
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| 02:36:59 | Soap | I had never thought about bitmaps. Everytime I've written one I used text files. Life is about the limit of my coding skills. |
| 02:37:30 | linuxstb | So what happens to the Rockbox logo in Life? |
| 02:37:46 | Llorean | linuxstb: Don't know yet, it doesn't yet support mono bitmap loading. :) |
| 02:37:54 | Llorean | But that's what inspired the thought that mono.bmp would be a good file format. |
| 02:38:35 | linuxstb | jacksont123: No progress. |
| 02:38:41 | Llorean | It'd be somewhat irritating to edit life templates on the device, but making it easy to import from PC (and as well from Rockpaint if it has/gains a mono export option) would mean the plugin itself wouldn't need an editor. |
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| 02:41:14 | * | linuxstb sees a green build table and goes to bed |
| 02:42:14 | pixelma | as green as it gets these days... |
| 02:42:33 | linuxstb | :( At least my commit had a zero delta |
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| 02:43:37 | pixelma | yes (and maybe gives me a reason to upgrade) :) |
| 02:44:17 | pixelma | or rather update |
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| 02:45:24 | kopf | hi, i just installed rockbox on my ipod 4th gen and it's literally the best thing EVER. |
| 02:45:36 | JdGordon | pixelma: any idea how much room is in the ondioSP rombox before its full? |
| 02:45:43 | kopf | i'm just wondering, is there any way of it to pick up on RATING tags in IDv2? |
| 02:46:28 | pixelma | JdGordon: no - no idea. |
| 02:47:09 | pixelma | Why? Do you want to add something? ;) |
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| 02:51:02 | JdGordon | pixelma: no, just curious |
| 02:52:52 | webguest60 | hi |
| 02:53:33 | webguest60 | does any one know when rockbox 3.1 is coming out? |
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| 02:54:05 | JdGordon | may 1st... :p |
| 02:54:15 | safetydan | webguest60, there are no planned official releases |
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| 02:55:06 | pixelma | safetydan: anything I could do as a non-coder to help with the lang patch? |
| 02:55:54 | * | Llorean wonders if the webguest knew that 3.0 wasn't out either. |
| 02:56:32 | pixelma | JdGordon: I just tried it still has room for the backlight mod which was broken for my FM for a while now |
| 02:57:34 | JdGordon | a-b mode? |
| 02:58:08 | JdGordon | unless im confused? a-b mode isnt enabled on the ondios to keep the size down right? but it does work |
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| 02:58:45 | pixelma | no - without that. Also IIRC it didn't work correctly when I tried |
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| 02:59:17 | pixelma | though I don't remember what was wtong |
| 02:59:22 | pixelma | *wrong |
| 02:59:45 | JdGordon | wasnt the only problem having no buttons? and with changes done a while ago it could be enabled for ondio? |
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| 03:00:38 | pixelma | you gave me a version to try - which worked in a way but something was wrong there... |
| 03:01:13 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 03:01:19 | safetydan | pixelma, lots. There's not much programming actually involved with that patch. Just figure out what strings in the lang file aren't used by certain features and update the lang file accordingly |
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| 03:06:06 | pixelma | JdGordon: check http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20061221.txt at 16:04. (IIRC the double-click should reset it or something) |
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| 03:07:36 | pixelma | safetydan: thanks, that's what I've hoped. I'll probably look into it tomorrow and see what I can do :) |
| 03:08:37 | JdGordon | pixelma: ah ok... do we want it fixed? or just leave it |
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| 03:12:54 | pixelma | hmm... I'd say it would be better fixed and I'd like to be able to use it one day... |
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| 03:15:12 | pixelma | *shrug* |
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| 03:23:18 | peekay | Hi, I have a question about the video software on rockbox. I downloaded Ocean's Twelve off limewire in mpg format and transfered it to my rockboxed ipod, but when I try to play it, it says buffering and then it takes me back to the folder where the video is located. |
| 03:24:32 | JdGordon | mpegplayer is very early in development |
| 03:24:35 | JdGordon | i.e it sucks atm |
| 03:24:47 | JdGordon | it doesnt do any rebuffering... |
| 03:24:59 | pixelma | JdGordon: and I meant a backlight modded Ondio :) stock Ondios don't have a backlight so they don't need the extra code for backlight settings... |
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| 03:25:34 | JdGordon | pixelma: ah :) |
| 03:26:10 | pixelma | peekay: did you read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer ? |
| 03:26:33 | peekay | Gordon, I just finished converting the movie to mp4, but when I tried to play it, it showed as an audio file. |
| 03:27:58 | midgey | we dont use mpeg-4 for video |
| 03:28:00 | safetydan | peekay, the video player only supports mpeg1 video |
| 03:28:13 | midgey | and mpeg 2 iirc |
| 03:28:15 | safetydan | and mpeg-2 |
| 03:28:18 | safetydan | yeah |
| 03:28:20 | midgey | :P |
| 03:28:43 | peekay | they support audio? |
| 03:28:59 | midgey | check the link pixelma send, it explains all this |
| 03:29:13 | midgey | but yes, audio works, but is not synced to the video |
| 03:30:34 | peekay | yikes |
| 03:30:36 | peekay | okay thanks |
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| 03:36:17 | blackness | If i'm installing rockbox on a second ipod that is a different model will the backing up overwrite the first back up I did? |
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| 03:41:36 | Soap | you could just rename your 1st bootloader.bin to bootloader.myotheripod.bin. |
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| 03:42:02 | blackness | nice I just found out where the file is |
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| 03:50:07 | perldiver | chopper doesnt clean the backdrop on gigabeat |
| 03:53:05 | peekay | hey, can i put other games on here besides doom? like will other wad files work? |
| 03:53:58 | Soap | some will |
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| 08:05:24 | amiconn | JdGordon: The menu fixes do work on the player :) |
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| 08:07:33 | amiconn | JdGordon: Are there plans to make the menu headlines optional, like the 'Show path' option for the browser? |
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| 08:09:32 | midkay | it doesn't obey that setting? i expected it to, i think it should. |
| 08:09:40 | Gigabeater | Hey again |
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| 08:10:13 | Gigabeater | So I just deleted all the music off of my gigabeat in preperation for Rockbox. |
| 08:10:34 | amiconn | midkay: No it doesn't. Headlines are permanently enabled for menus now (except on the player, where it's the opposite) |
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| 08:10:40 | Gigabeater | I'm left with a folder called WORLD_HERITAGE |
| 08:10:48 | Gigabeater | It's 6.3MB |
| 08:11:01 | Gigabeater | But there is 23MB used space on my player |
| 08:11:07 | Gigabeater | How do I see the hidden files? |
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| 08:14:36 | Gigabeater | Hey anyone here wanna help me out with a Gigabeat install? |
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| 08:16:14 | JerryLange | Gigabeater: have you read the wiki? |
| 08:16:22 | Gigabeater | I did] |
| 08:16:32 | Gigabeater | But I don't know how to browse the hidden files |
| 08:17:27 | JerryLange | did you search the forums? |
| 08:17:42 | Gigabeater | No |
| 08:17:52 | Gigabeater | I figured this would be quicker |
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| 08:17:59 | Gigabeater | And more helpful |
| 08:18:45 | Mouser_X | Gigabeater: Are you browsing your Gigabeat from your PC, or the device itself? |
| 08:18:52 | Gigabeater | PC |
| 08:18:54 | JerryLange | are the forums slow or is it just me? |
| 08:18:58 | Gigabeater | There's one folder. |
| 08:19:17 | Gigabeater | DEMO_MUSIC/WORLD_HERITAGE |
| 08:19:32 | Gigabeater | And inside that is a lot of files that are just named with numbers |
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| 08:20:02 | amiconn | I don't know the gigabeat, but you shouldn't need to delete your music before installing rockbox, on any target. |
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| 08:20:14 | Mouser_X | Also, are you browsing it as a HDD, or through some other software? |
| 08:20:16 | Mouser_X | Meaning, are you connected through the cradle, or are you on a straight USB connection? |
| 08:20:28 | Mouser_X | (Yes, I saw you mention that folder earlier.) |
| 08:20:29 | Gigabeater | I was told it wouldnt be playable because of the encrypted file-type |
| 08:20:32 | scorche | amiconn: rockbox cant read the sid files |
| 08:20:33 | * | midkay sighs in realizing that he didn't fix the problem with his fix-commit... |
| 08:20:37 | Llorean | scorche: SAT |
| 08:20:40 | Gigabeater | So I deleted it rather than back it up and convert it |
| 08:20:46 | scorche | errr....yeah |
| 08:21:07 | amiconn | sat? |
| 08:21:33 | Gigabeater | I am connected through the cradle, but in the HDD |
| 08:21:33 | Mouser_X | SAT is the format that the Gigabeat OF turns files into. |
| 08:21:48 | amiconn | Urgh. Some sort of drm I suppose? |
| 08:21:54 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
| 08:21:54 | scorche | yeah |
| 08:22:04 | Gigabeater | GIGABEAT (I:) |
| 08:22:13 | Mouser_X | Gigabeater: Try accessing it as a HDD through the USB, without the cradle. |
| 08:22:20 | amiconn | Then the gigabeat needs rockbox more than other targets imho |
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| 08:22:36 | Mouser_X | Gigabeat+Rockbox=AWESOME! |
| 08:22:42 | Mouser_X | :D |
| 08:22:49 | Mouser_X | I've never seen the OF... |
| 08:23:06 | amiconn | Imho that means Gigabeat OF == crippled by design |
| 08:23:06 | Mouser_X | Well, excluding for about 30 seconds, while I installed Rockbox. |
| 08:23:13 | Surger | Can someone recommend the best flash based player with good recording capabilities that rockbox runs on? |
| 08:23:38 | Gigabeater | There |
| 08:23:41 | Gigabeater | I bypassed the cradle |
| 08:23:46 | Gigabeater | It's the exact same |
| 08:23:58 | Llorean | Surger: Right now there's really only one flashed based player that Rockbox is on and works decently. |
| 08:23:59 | Mouser_X | So, no GBSYSTEM folder? |
| 08:24:06 | Mouser_X | ^ @ Gigabeater |
| 08:24:06 | Gigabeater | Nope |
| 08:24:11 | amiconn | Surger: There are currently only 2 flash based players which are supported by rockbox: the ipod nano (1st gen only) and the archos Ondio series |
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| 08:24:27 | Mouser_X | Gigabeater: GBSYSTEM is a required folder, even for Rockbox. |
| 08:24:30 | amiconn | A third one is worked on, but it's not ready for use by non-devs yet |
| 08:24:36 | Surger | amiconn: Ok - I can't even locate the Archos Ondio in my country. :( |
| 08:24:42 | Gigabeater | Oh |
| 08:24:43 | Gigabeater | I got it |
| 08:24:45 | Gigabeater | It's hidden |
| 08:24:48 | Gigabeater | But it's there |
| 08:25:12 | Mouser_X | Ah. Well, if you don't see anything but the DEMO folder, and GBSYSTEM, then I have nothing else to add. |
| 08:25:19 | Mouser_X | That's what mine had on it, when I got it. |
| 08:25:21 | amiconn | Mno, there's another one which already came a bit further, but also no sound yet (the Sandisk Sansa E200 series) |
| 08:25:42 | Gigabeater | I only see Demo folder |
| 08:25:47 | Gigabeater | GBSYSTEM is hidden for me |
| 08:25:51 | amiconn | Surger: Yeah, the Ondios are quite old now. |
| 08:25:52 | Gigabeater | But I can acess it manually |
| 08:26:13 | Mouser_X | Well, do you have hidden and system files set as visable? |
| 08:26:19 | Mouser_X | Maybe something else is hidden. |
| 08:26:29 | MonkeyTamer | assuming ssd's come out fairly soon, there may be some greater options for consumers finally |
| 08:26:29 | Surger | amiconn: Thanks. Maybe I should just wait a bit. The old iRivers are also hard to find. |
| 08:26:30 | amiconn | But if mp3 recording is enough, the Ondio FM is a quite flexible recording device |
| 08:26:34 | Mouser_X | (I can see the GBSYSTEM folder on my PC just fine.) |
| 08:26:50 | Gigabeater | Weird.. I can not. |
| 08:26:57 | amiconn | It also has a radio. Afaik the ipod nano can record too, if you manage to get/build an adapter |
| 08:27:21 | scorche | amiconn: i dont think we have seen difinitive proof that the nano can record yet |
| 08:27:22 | Llorean | Gigabeater: Usually that means that while you've turned on the option to show hidden files, you haven't disabled the OTHER option to hide system files. |
| 08:27:33 | Mouser_X | Gigabeater: You might not have hidden files/folders/system files turned on. Windows has it their visibility off by default. |
| 08:27:34 | scorche | definitive |
| 08:27:39 | Gigabeater | How do I change that |
| 08:27:52 | Llorean | scorche: I _think_ we've seen it for the line in. I'm not 100% sure though |
| 08:28:00 | amiconn | scorche: Oh, I though that was already verified... |
| 08:28:13 | MonkeyTamer | taskbar, tools, folder options, view |
| 08:28:51 | Mouser_X | ^ @ Gigabeater, I think |
| 08:29:04 | Surger | And I hate these devices with the Microsoft based transfer crap. Needs to have UMS since I don't do the Windows thing. :) |
| 08:29:07 | Gigabeater | I made them visible |
| 08:29:10 | Gigabeater | But Its not there |
| 08:29:10 | MonkeyTamer | it's about halfway down; there's also a setting for hiding system files a bit further, but I'm uncertain if it's necessary |
| 08:29:41 | Llorean | MonkeyTamer: Both of them are necessary, though I thought the GBSYSTEM folder was just hidden. |
| 08:30:00 | Gigabeater | ahh |
| 08:30:02 | Gigabeater | there we go |
| 08:30:04 | MonkeyTamer | seems a bit strange for it to be hidden on the system side... |
| 08:30:14 | Gigabeater | it is though |
| 08:30:23 | Gigabeater | I now have 4 things. |
| 08:30:27 | Mouser_X | Gigabeater: So, after doing that, nothing else showed up? |
| 08:30:32 | Mouser_X | Oh, well then. |
| 08:30:40 | MonkeyTamer | well if there's a thumbs.db file, that doesn't count ;) |
| 08:30:56 | Gigabeater | System Volume Information, Recycled, DEMO_MUSIC, GBSYSTEM |
| 08:30:57 | * | Mouser_X hates thumbs.db with a passion. |
| 08:31:21 | MonkeyTamer | the first two sound like standard folders |
| 08:31:30 | MonkeyTamer | associated with any drive |
| 08:31:30 | Mouser_X | System Volume and Recycled are useless, but you can't get rid of them from within WinXP. |
| 08:31:46 | Gigabeater | Alright |
| 08:31:57 | Mouser_X | (They're useless, since they're not *needed* on a Fat32 drive.) |
| 08:32:01 | Gigabeater | So now I should back up my player? |
| 08:32:20 | Mouser_X | They should be empty though, so you really don't need to worry about them anyway, I would think. |
| 08:32:37 | MonkeyTamer | likely |
| 08:32:44 | Gigabeater | They're not |
| 08:33:04 | MonkeyTamer | anything in there couldn't be using hardly any space regardless |
| 08:33:04 | Mouser_X | Gigabeater: If you read the installation instructions, it will tell you specifically what file(s?) to backup. |
| 08:33:15 | Gigabeater | nah |
| 08:33:16 | Mouser_X | There should only be one file that you'll be changing. |
| 08:33:16 | Gigabeater | its not |
| 08:33:20 | Gigabeater | like half a meg |
| 08:33:27 | Llorean | MonkeyTamer: A recycle bin can be quite large. |
| 08:33:35 | Gigabeater | it's 6kb |
| 08:33:35 | MonkeyTamer | in a FAT32 drive? |
| 08:33:36 | Llorean | Same with System Volume Information depending on how windows is configured. |
| 08:33:38 | Gigabeater | big deal |
| 08:33:59 | Llorean | MonkeyTamer: If you delete 400mb of small files, you have a 400mb recycle bin, that simple. |
| 08:34:18 | * | Mouser_X has the recyle bin disabled completely. |
| 08:34:28 | Mouser_X | In other words, I don't have that problem. |
| 08:34:37 | Gigabeater | okay |
| 08:34:39 | MonkeyTamer | wait, llorean are we talking about the windows recycle bin, or the dfolder within the dap? |
| 08:34:43 | Mouser_X | I *do* have the problem of never deleting anything... |
| 08:34:53 | Gigabeater | so I just rename FWIMG01.DAT to FWIMG01.DAT.ORIG |
| 08:34:55 | Llorean | MonkeyTamer: "dfolder"? |
| 08:35:09 | MonkeyTamer | er, *folder |
| 08:35:13 | Llorean | MonkeyTamer: If you mean "Folder", on the Gigabeat, the folder called 'Recycle Bin' in the root is the windows recycle bin for that drive. |
| 08:35:24 | Mouser_X | Gigabeater: Yes. |
| 08:35:36 | Mouser_X | Feel free to backup, copy, whatever that file, if you wish. |
| 08:36:08 | Gigabeater | But what is necesarry |
| 08:36:11 | Gigabeater | Or recomended |
| 08:36:58 | Mouser_X | Recommended is to rename it. Anything past that is simply extra precautions. |
| 08:37:11 | Mouser_X | Which you are of course welcome to take. |
| 08:37:25 | MonkeyTamer | interesting, for most drives I have, when it is deleted, the files are gone from the recycle bin once I remove the drive |
| 08:37:41 | MonkeyTamer | more specifically, it's called "RECYCLER" for me |
| 08:37:49 | Gigabeater | If I happened to somehow lose it, could I come on here and get it sent to me or something? |
| 08:38:40 | Mouser_X | Gigabeater: Probably, but I don't know if that would work (there's different versions of the firmware available. What version did you lose? That sort of thing). |
| 08:38:49 | Llorean | MonkeyTamer: And you're running windows XP? |
| 08:38:53 | MonkeyTamer | yes |
| 08:39:08 | Gigabeater | Meh.. I'll just do the reccomended backing up |
| 08:39:15 | Gigabeater | Now for the Rockbox boot loader |
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| 08:39:53 | Gigabeater | "Copy the extract the file FWIMG01.DAT from bootsplash.zip to X:\GBSYSTEM\FWIMG" Copy the extract the? |
| 08:40:02 | MonkeyTamer | otherwise the recycler maintains some <1kb files that I am unsure of the actual contents within |
| 08:40:12 | Llorean | Gigabeater: Is that from the PDF Manual? |
| 08:40:24 | Gigabeater | It's from the wiki |
| 08:40:53 | Gigabeater | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort |
| 08:41:32 | Llorean | I've fixed that page. |
| 08:41:34 | bospaadje | are there any plans to support other filesystems than FAT (hfs, ext for example) for rockbox? |
| 08:41:38 | Llorean | But honestly, why didn't you use the official manual? |
| 08:41:51 | Gigabeater | I didnt know there was one |
| 08:41:57 | Llorean | bospaadje: There's not really a good reason to other than making the rockbox binary larger. |
| 08:42:06 | Llorean | Gigabeater: What did you think the 'manual' link was on every single page? |
| 08:42:17 | Gigabeater | Didnt notice |
| 08:42:29 | Llorean | Gigabeater: And I told you to read the manual in our previous discussion. |
| 08:42:33 | Llorean | You told me it was too thorough. |
| 08:42:41 | Llorean | Kinda contradictory to not knowing it exists now... |
| 08:42:46 | Gigabeater | Oh |
| 08:42:49 | Gigabeater | That manual |
| 08:42:51 | Gigabeater | Sorry |
| 08:43:10 | Gigabeater | Wow.. I'm dumb |
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| 08:44:05 | MonkeyTamer | the manual is totally an enjoyable read; no way is it too thorough :p |
| 08:44:23 | Surger | bospaadje: Why would you want to use anything other than FAT32? Last thing you really need is a journaled filesystem on an MP3 player. Adds more complexity, eats more power and doesn't improve anything. |
| 08:44:23 | MonkeyTamer | each section is like an adventure |
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| 08:45:01 | MonkeyTamer | but you can find the exact time and moment you used/played that file! |
| 08:45:21 | Llorean | Surger: The most commonly mentioned reason is that OSX has horrible Fat32 support and they'd rather not have to convert their iPod. |
| 08:45:27 | MonkeyTamer | sorry... couldn't resist |
| 08:45:54 | Surger | Llorean: Ah ... what do the iPods use? |
| 08:46:11 | Llorean | Surger: The Mac iPods use HFS+ |
| 08:46:16 | Llorean | The windows ones use Fat32. |
| 08:46:28 | MonkeyTamer | even on the OF ipods must user fat32 for windows |
| 08:46:32 | MonkeyTamer | *use |
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| 08:48:12 | Surger | FAT32 support is excellent in Linux - I'm surprised the code hasn't been ported to OSX yet. |
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| 08:50:38 | Gigabeater | istalling the build... |
| 08:50:50 | Gigabeater | unzipping* |
| 08:51:26 | MonkeyTamer | I hadn't really known about the impedance issue with the ipod; I always wondered why there never seemed to be any bass |
| 08:51:53 | MonkeyTamer | it's a shame many of the "good" recommendations for headphones are 16 ohm |
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| 08:53:02 | Gigabeater | Llorean: I found a minor error in the pdf manual.. just grammar really. missing one word |
| 08:53:07 | Gigabeater | if you care |
| 08:53:49 | Llorean | Gigabeater: Sure, where at? |
| 08:54:04 | Gigabeater | page 12 |
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| 08:54:36 | Gigabeater | 3rd bullet after in "Installing the Bootloader" |
| 08:54:57 | Gigabeater | Blah blah blah. This too may hidden |
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| 08:57:28 | bospaadje | Llorean, Surger, thanks for the answers. Was just asking cause a friend of mine dislikes FAT for some reason. |
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| 08:57:50 | Llorean | Gigabeater: It'll be fixed in the next manual build. |
| 08:58:17 | Llorean | bospaadje: He may dislike it, but in the case of DAPs it actually may be argued that it's a better choice since it's fairly light weight. |
| 08:58:25 | Gigabeater | Hey uhh.. when I put the new fwing file in, do I put the splashscreen and audio file that come with it in the folder too |
| 08:58:32 | Llorean | No |
| 08:58:39 | Gigabeater | Okay |
| 08:58:50 | Llorean | There's an audio file with it now? |
| 08:58:56 | Gigabeater | So when I start up Rockbox, it's supposed to first show the Gigabeat loading screen? |
| 08:58:59 | Mouser_X | That's news to me. |
| 08:59:09 | Gigabeater | bootsplash.raw |
| 08:59:09 | Mouser_X | (@ Llorean) |
| 08:59:17 | Llorean | Gigabeater: That's not an audio file. |
| 08:59:19 | Mouser_X | Bootsplash.raw is an image. |
| 08:59:20 | Llorean | That's the image in a raw format |
| 08:59:21 | Gigabeater | Oh |
| 08:59:23 | Gigabeater | Guh |
| 08:59:28 | Llorean | The .bmp isn't actually needed |
| 08:59:36 | Gigabeater | it opens with winamp so I assumed |
| 08:59:37 | Gigabeater | sorry |
| 08:59:39 | Mouser_X | The RAW goes in the root of the player. |
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| 09:00:27 | amiconn | LinusN: How did you power your player for your test? Lab power supply or 'ordinary' NiMH cells? |
| 09:00:34 | Gigabeater | kay |
| 09:00:37 | LinusN | NiMH cells |
| 09:00:48 | Gigabeater | And uhh.. I didnt install the font package but it still runs? |
| 09:00:58 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
| 09:01:00 | Llorean | Gigabeater: The font package isn't necessary for it to run, but most themes will look wrong. |
| 09:01:07 | Gigabeater | Okay |
| 09:01:24 | amiconn | I am still puzzled by it shutting down. The original 4.53 firmware does have functions to enable and disable ata power, and those functions are different from the place that does the initial ata power enable at boot |
| 09:01:39 | LinusN | amiconn: that is how my player has always worked with ata poweroff |
| 09:01:40 | amiconn | Maybe it's just a faulty NiMH cell? |
| 09:01:54 | amiconn | Does it work in the OF then? |
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| 09:02:20 | LinusN | haven't run the OF for many years |
| 09:02:48 | amiconn | I don't know when the OF calls these functions, but there are calls to them |
| 09:02:59 | jimbob | evening chaps, may I ask if there is any status on 2nd ipod nanos? |
| 09:03:05 | Llorean | jimbob: No. |
| 09:03:06 | LinusN | amiconn: weird |
| 09:03:10 | jimbob | 2nd generation... |
| 09:03:11 | Gigabeater | Can I delete the DEMO_MUSIC folder? |
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| 09:03:52 | GodEater_ | Llorean: is that "No you can't ask?", or "No, there's no status" ? ;) |
| 09:03:58 | Mouser_X | Gigabeater: Most likely. |
| 09:04:03 | Llorean | GodEater_: Either one serves my purpose. Hehehe. |
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| 09:04:07 | Mouser_X | I don't see any reason you can't. |
| 09:04:12 | Mouser_X | I didn't, but that's me. |
| 09:04:13 | amiconn | LinusN: The reason I am thinking it might be a faulty cell is that I had similar behaviour on my recorder some months ago |
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| 09:04:22 | amiconn | Are you using the original cells? |
| 09:04:29 | Gigabeater | It's filled with a bunch of weird files |
| 09:04:32 | jimbob | I understand that the 2nd gen uses a proprietary processor, which one would assume is the main stumbling block |
| 09:04:36 | LinusN | amiconn: i have used many different cells on that player over the years |
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| 09:04:56 | amiconn | Hmm, then that's probably not the reason. Very puzzling |
| 09:05:00 | LinusN | indeed |
| 09:05:15 | GodEater_ | jimbob: the main stumbling block is the fact that for the first time, apple chose to encrypt the main firmware on an iPod |
| 09:05:25 | LinusN | it *could* be bad grounding or similar, i.e only my player is bad |
| 09:05:34 | amiconn | Ata poweroff works like a charm on my player, but that's a newer hardware version |
| 09:05:38 | amiconn | (rom 5.06) |
| 09:05:39 | Mouser_X | Gigabeater: Yes it is. Your point? It's fairly small. Back it up, and delete it, if you want. If there's problems, put it back on. |
| 09:05:40 | GodEater_ | jimbob: with every other iPod, Apple have not done this |
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| 09:06:31 | amiconn | LinusN: A simple test could perhaps tell us more. Just rolo the OF and see whether it also dies on rebuffer |
| 09:06:33 | jimbob | godeater: ah, I see... this was largely the information I have been searching for - basically, what is preventing rockbox from being used on the nano 2nd gen |
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| 09:06:43 | LinusN | amiconn: i could do that |
| 09:06:47 | amiconn | (preferably newest version) |
| 09:06:47 | Gigabeater | Mouser_X: Will do! |
| 09:06:48 | Llorean | jimbob: It's covered in the forum thread on it, I believe. |
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| 09:06:56 | GodEater_ | jimbob: have you read the thread on the 2nd Gen in the forums ? |
| 09:07:08 | amiconn | If it doesn't, I'll do the same and check whether the OF actually disables ata power |
| 09:07:22 | LinusN | damn, no isd200 drivers on this computer |
| 09:07:36 | amiconn | If it doesn't, there must be a reason why (i.e. some hardware versions not liking it) |
| 09:07:46 | amiconn | If it does, then we must be doing something wrong |
| 09:07:57 | amiconn | LinusN: Windows? |
| 09:08:04 | B4gder | Google Summer of Code will be starting up soonly... |
| 09:08:09 | LinusN | yes, trying the vmware image now... |
| 09:08:42 | JdGordon | B4gder: for failed builds.. is the delta going to be a relaly massive negative number? |
| 09:08:45 | Llorean | B4gder: We gonna try to get in this year? |
| 09:09:05 | B4gder | JdGordon: my intention is to make it deal with that situation sensibly |
| 09:09:09 | JdGordon | :) |
| 09:09:18 | B4gder | Llorean: I think it would be cool |
| 09:09:27 | Llorean | I do too. |
| 09:09:31 | GodEater_ | they start their summer of code in winter ? |
| 09:09:54 | JdGordon | it starts may-ish doesnt it? |
| 09:09:55 | B4gder | " By early April, the final students will be chosen" |
| 09:10:26 | hcs | gotta make preparations |
| 09:11:02 | Gigabeater | I'm guessing the fonts package is unzipped to the root? |
| 09:11:10 | B4gder | yes |
| 09:11:21 | Gigabeater | thank you |
| 09:11:39 | Gigabeater | themes aswell? |
| 09:11:50 | B4gder | I bet that varies |
| 09:12:04 | B4gder | as they're not official packages from rockbox.org |
| 09:12:20 | GodEater_ | it does vary yes |
| 09:12:28 | Gigabeater | Okay |
| 09:12:31 | Gigabeater | How do I fond out? |
| 09:12:38 | Gigabeater | I chose Back |
| 09:12:44 | GodEater_ | *most* of them unzip to root okay - but the occasional package creator includes a directory above .rockbox for no good reason |
| 09:12:45 | Gigabeater | The theme for the Gigabeat |
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| 09:13:11 | B4gder | list the package contents before you unzip perhaps? |
| 09:13:22 | Gigabeater | Ahh |
| 09:13:22 | Gigabeater | I explored |
| 09:13:26 | Gigabeater | It goes |
| 09:13:35 | Gigabeater | back/.rockbox/the files |
| 09:13:46 | Gigabeater | so I just copy the files after the .rockbox |
| 09:13:57 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:14:07 | Gigabeater | ? |
| 09:14:18 | Llorean | The files in /.rockbox/ in the zip need to be in /.rockbox/ on the device |
| 09:14:20 | GodEater_ | copy the .rockbox folder into the root of your player |
| 09:14:42 | GodEater_ | why theme authors don't get this is beyond me |
| 09:14:46 | GodEater_ | it's not tough to do it properly |
| 09:15:06 | Llorean | GodEater_: We haven't posted rules yet. |
| 09:15:14 | GodEater_ | we shouldn't have to |
| 09:15:23 | Llorean | What ever happened with the guy running Rockboxthemes.org trying to get his site made 'official'? |
| 09:15:24 | GodEater_ | it's pretty easy to work out |
| 09:15:54 | GodEater_ | I posted a theme I hacked about a bit there yesterday |
| 09:16:12 | GodEater_ | btw - where has that "Userform" at the bottom of the gigabeatWPS page come from ? |
| 09:16:29 | Llorean | Check the revisions? |
| 09:16:36 | GodEater_ | I'll rephrase |
| 09:16:41 | GodEater_ | I know WHO put it there |
| 09:16:48 | GodEater_ | I just couldn't work out how to get rid of it |
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| 09:17:06 | GodEater_ | it seems a bit pointless having it on a page which lots of people edit, when it only ever appears at the bottom |
| 09:17:48 | GodEater_ | so when I added my theme yesterday, it moved from being next to the theme the guy who added it made, to under mine, which makes no sense |
| 09:17:58 | Llorean | GodEater_ It's gone. |
| 09:18:12 | GodEater_ | I think I need to go read the twiki docs :) |
| 09:18:36 | Llorean | I haven't, I just noticed there was an option to 'replace' it. |
| 09:18:51 | Llorean | And then when I clicked that, there was an option to replace it with 'None' |
| 09:18:57 | Gigabeater | Where do I put my music? |
| 09:19:00 | Llorean | Anywhere |
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| 09:19:17 | Gigabeater | just make sure the folder has a .m3u in it |
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| 09:19:26 | Llorean | Huh? |
| 09:19:30 | Gigabeater | err |
| 09:19:32 | Gigabeater | playlist file |
| 09:19:37 | Llorean | Why? |
| 09:19:38 | Gigabeater | I thought thats what it was |
| 09:19:49 | GodEater_ | it is - but the folders with your music don't NEED one |
| 09:19:53 | Llorean | m3us are playlist files. |
| 09:19:56 | Llorean | But you don't need one. |
| 09:20:01 | Gigabeater | ohh |
| 09:20:06 | Gigabeater | I thought I read that you do |
| 09:20:14 | GodEater_ | have you been smoking ? :) |
| 09:20:22 | Gigabeater | Not tonight |
| 09:20:38 | ret | In the FS view for a task (e.g. a patch), there is the field 'status'. But I can't see the field 'resolution.' For example, if a patch/bug report has the status 'closed' it could have been resolved by accepting it or by rejecting (not reproducable, not needed etc). Is it possible to include that field? |
| 09:20:47 | Llorean | Gigabeater: You would _really_ benefit from just reading the basic sections of the manual |
| 09:21:05 | Llorean | ret: You can see why a task is closed... |
| 09:21:42 | Llorean | ret: For example, on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6542 you can see "Reason for closing: Accepted" |
| 09:22:11 | * | Llorean sneaks in a small actual source code change. |
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| 09:22:56 | Gigabeater | I really like how Rockbox plays .flac and Ogg |
| 09:23:00 | ret | Llorean: aha, I didn't look at that area, only at the 'headers.' Thanks! |
| 09:24:51 | GodEater_ | are up super early, or up really late Llorean ? |
| 09:25:09 | Llorean | Really late. |
| 09:25:09 | Gigabeater | 25 after midnight here |
| 09:25:25 | Llorean | Well, not _really_ late, but late enough. |
| 09:25:33 | jimbob | Thanks chaps, keep up the terrific work - it looks like I'll have to hunt around ebay for a replacement to my aging iAudio M3... |
| 09:26:30 | Gigabeater | Is there a way(or does) for Rockbox to change the charging screen? I'm worried it will burn into the LCD |
| 09:26:39 | GodEater_ | jimbob: I recommend a gigabeat ;) |
| 09:26:46 | GodEater_ | For X series |
| 09:26:57 | GodEater_ | that shoudl read "F or X series" |
| 09:27:06 | Llorean | Gigabeater: LCDs don't do burn-in... |
| 09:27:16 | Gigabeater | Oh |
| 09:27:29 | GodEater_ | I haven't seen a DAP with a plasma display either |
| 09:27:33 | Gigabeater | I continue to embarass myself |
| 09:27:43 | Llorean | Man, plasma burns bad, and ridiculously quickly. |
| 09:27:52 | GodEater_ | that's why I bought an LCD TV ;) |
| 09:28:16 | GodEater_ | it's all those little channel logos that everyone insists on displaying now that do the worst damage IMO |
| 09:28:34 | * | GodEater_ waves a flag for the good ol' BBC, who don't do that |
| 09:28:39 | B4gder | you need to continuously change channel! |
| 09:28:40 | Llorean | Gigabeater: It is changeable though, but requires you to recompile (not terribly difficult, no actually coding really necessary) |
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| 09:29:36 | Llorean | I assume nobody minds if I kill warnings like that every now and then, even though I'm supposed to do manual stuff? ;) |
| 09:29:47 | B4gder | indeed not |
| 09:29:59 | GodEater_ | I'm sure you'll find a ticking parcel through your door someday if someone does mind |
| 09:30:01 | Gigabeater | if it doesnt burn in, im fine |
| 09:30:03 | B4gder | we just secretly hope that you'll mess up so that we can laugh at you ;-P |
| 09:30:14 | Llorean | Oh, that's absolutely fine. If I do, I deserve it. |
| 09:32:29 | Gigabeater | so.. i think I installed Back right |
| 09:32:32 | Gigabeater | But it doesnt show up |
| 09:32:41 | Gigabeater | is there something I could have done wrong |
| 09:32:44 | jimbob | godeater: well, I'm hoping for something small and compact, with Ogg support |
| 09:33:20 | GodEater_ | if you want something THAT small then a 1st Gen Nano is about your only option |
| 09:34:00 | jimbob | yes, I cannot find any stores here that still stock the 1st gen however... |
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| 09:34:02 | GodEater_ | from a personal view point, I don't tend to actually _recommend_ iPods as a rockbox platform - there's still a lot of polishing needs to happen |
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| 09:34:32 | GodEater_ | it is, however, all about personal taste |
| 09:34:45 | GodEater_ | by Ogg, I assume you mean vorbis btw ? |
| 09:34:46 | jimbob | I love the idea of an open source firmware on an attractive player |
| 09:34:59 | jimbob | yes, vorbis |
| 09:35:12 | GodEater_ | well just bear in mind you'll get worse battery life than on the OF with an iPod, about 50% worse |
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| 09:35:58 | jimbob | I don't mind terribly, as long as the battery holds out long enough to go cycling for a few hours |
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| 09:36:15 | GodEater_ | that it should do :) |
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| 09:36:48 | jimbob | currently, I have to be content with singing to myself... |
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| 09:37:39 | GodEater_ | tough to do when you're riding up a steep hill, even if you're lance armstrong |
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| 09:37:50 | Llorean | jimbob: The 1G Nano will give you at least 5 and a half, and that's pretty much 'worst case' conditions. |
| 09:37:54 | GodEater_ | which I assume you're not ;) |
| 09:37:58 | Llorean | Other than the backlight. |
| 09:38:36 | jimbob | no, I'm afraid not. |
| 09:39:13 | jimbob | by the way, is there a standardised model numbering system with ipod nanos? I see a few stores listening numbers such as 'MA107J' |
| 09:39:15 | Gigabeater | hmm |
| 09:39:18 | Gigabeater | I'm frozen |
| 09:39:27 | * | hcs casts fire |
| 09:39:39 | GodEater_ | bit drastic |
| 09:39:41 | Gigabeater | I had it on and plugged in the usb |
| 09:39:49 | Gigabeater | now its stuck on the WPS |
| 09:39:49 | Llorean | jimbob: I'm not familiar with any numbering system. |
| 09:40:08 | GodEater_ | jimbob: you could *try* looking in the iPL wiki, they might have more info on that |
| 09:40:17 | GodEater_ | http://ipodlinux.org |
| 09:40:26 | LinusN | amiconn: looks like the cells aren't in shape, i'll try with a fresh set this evening |
| 09:40:27 | jimbob | cheers |
| 09:40:30 | Gigabeater | What should I do? |
| 09:40:30 | GodEater_ | but I don't recall such a system either |
| 09:40:43 | Gigabeater | Turn off the battery? |
| 09:40:57 | Llorean | Gigabeater: If it's not responding to any button presses and not playing music you might have to, but that's unusual. |
| 09:41:08 | Gigabeater | it is not |
| 09:41:17 | GodEater_ | did you unplug the usb again ? |
| 09:41:22 | Gigabeater | yeah |
| 09:41:54 | jimbob | well, amazon.co.jp lists that particular model (4gb black 1st gen) as unavailable, with only the 2nd listed for purchase |
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| 09:45:53 | jimbob | I do wish I could get my old iaudio M3 fixed... |
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| 09:48:10 | jimbob | take care chaps, keep up the good work! |
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| 09:51:55 | Gigabeater | Thanks for all your help, guys |
| 09:52:03 | Gigabeater | Time fore bed. |
| 09:52:07 | Gigabeater | for* |
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| 09:58:22 | pondlife | Love the binary size table. |
| 09:58:50 | pondlife | Any idea why LinusN's commit - "Shave a few bytes off the binary size" - increases binary size on some targets? |
| 09:59:02 | pondlife | Just for educational purposes. |
| 09:59:18 | jhMikeS | the law of equal exchange? |
| 10:00 |
| 10:00:28 | pondlife | :) But seriously, I can't see anything in the diffs that should increase binary. |
| 10:00:54 | LinusN | pondlife: i haven't checked, but i guess it has to do with expensive function calls |
| 10:01:05 | jhMikeS | rrr...red |
| 10:02:13 | pondlife | LinusN: bytes2int uses more space as a function call, rather than being a macro? That would be counter-my-intuition. |
| 10:02:34 | LinusN | it sure is odd |
| 10:03:08 | pondlife | Is there some compile optimisation that's not enabled on the coldfires perhaps? |
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| 10:03:54 | B4gder | jhMikeS: thanks, now I could test what the sizes table did on failed builds :-) |
| 10:04:09 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:04:17 | jhMikeS | B4gder: pleased to be helpful :-) |
| 10:04:22 | petur | jhMikeS: I made another perfect recording :) |
| 10:04:26 | pondlife | B4gder: I can help some more if you want |
| 10:04:30 | pondlife | ;) |
| 10:04:32 | B4gder | hehe |
| 10:04:32 | blackness | for some reason the dual boot on my ipod 4g greyscale doesn't work, any help? |
| 10:04:49 | jhMikeS | petur: cool. i toughened it up even more in the commit :-) |
| 10:04:59 | petur | thanks |
| 10:05:18 | pondlife | B4gder: What's the rightmost column in the delta size table? |
| 10:05:25 | pondlife | e.g. the red 71 |
| 10:05:26 | Llorean | blackness: Did you use the new or old install instructions? |
| 10:05:37 | pondlife | Source lines? |
| 10:05:40 | B4gder | pondlife: average delta per listed target |
| 10:05:46 | pondlife | Aha |
| 10:06:06 | jhMikeS | I guess some versions of gcc don't like static on scoped functions :\ |
| 10:06:51 | blackness | i used the manual |
| 10:07:15 | Llorean | blackness: Did it involve the ipod_fw tool? |
| 10:07:21 | Llorean | Or only ipodpatcher |
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| 10:08:16 | blackness | just ipodpatcher |
| 10:08:54 | Llorean | That's your problem then |
| 10:09:02 | Llorean | The new instructions seem to break dual boot on the grayscale targets right now. |
| 10:09:23 | blackness | where are the new instructions? |
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| 10:10:28 | Llorean | Those were the new instructions. |
| 10:10:31 | Llorean | You need the old ones. |
| 10:10:41 | alsaf | has anybody heard of the MVIX media centre? |
| 10:10:43 | Llorean | The IpodInstallation wiki page, but you'll need to restore your bootpartition.bin first. |
| 10:11:02 | Llorean | alsaf: It's a PC, isn't it? |
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| 10:11:30 | Llorean | Oh, wait, wrong media center. |
| 10:11:33 | blackness | thanks llorean |
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| 10:12:17 | B4gder | http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/15/openmoko-details-its-open-source-phone/ |
| 10:12:23 | B4gder | new rockbox target? ;-) |
| 10:12:48 | alsaf | its a media player that you stick a HDD in and plays multimedia files |
| 10:12:57 | alsaf | it runs through firmware |
| 10:13:26 | alsaf | http://www.mvixusa.com/ |
| 10:13:28 | Llorean | alsaf: Pretty much any complex electronic device runs through either firmware or software. |
| 10:13:43 | Llorean | alsaf: It's not in the general category of "Portable music player" at all though. |
| 10:13:57 | Llorean | B4gder: If it ends up truly wholly open source, I bet it'll happen. |
| 10:14:06 | alsaf | what i meant AFAIK it isn't bootable O/s |
| 10:14:19 | linuxstb_ | 03.24.32 # <JdGordon> mpegplayer is very early in development ; 03.24.35 # <JdGordon> i.e it sucks atm <−−−− A bit harsh :) |
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| 10:15:52 | alsaf | the wireless version has a linux SDK |
| 10:16:05 | jhMikeS | is the build stuck or did B4gder stop it? seems to be taking awhile |
| 10:17:03 | B4gder | that's usually due to a ssh hanging to one of the servers |
| 10:19:28 | B4gder | oddly enough, ssh doesn't provide any good timeout options for that |
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| 10:26:06 | jhMikeS | ooh, I forgot to mention that it limits prerecord time if it would exceed the high watermark. old recording did that too. should almost never need invoking except for 88k stereo WavPack on x5. |
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| 10:27:56 | jhMikeS | that format 9/10 times doesn't require priority boost on that device either but before always needed it |
| 10:29:12 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Doesn't that mean the same for 88kHz stereo wav? |
| 10:29:41 | amiconn | reboot, brb |
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| 10:29:50 | jhMikeS | amiconn: no, wav and aiff run so fast it's like not even having an encoder |
| 10:30:18 | jhMikeS | in watching the pcm buffer they never show > 0 |
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| 10:32:01 | jhMikeS | iiow they do so much yielding flushing is pretty easy |
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| 10:37:39 | * | jhMikeS suspects wavpack can be improved further with some encoder tweaks in the yielding and always encode 75% of remaining data so extra chunk size isn't needed for the negative compression case |
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| 10:42:05 | jhMikeS | actually 80% is better since four iterations will leave 8 samples unencoded with no remainders at any one |
| 10:42:47 | * | petur feels the binsize table could do with a little cell padding |
| 10:43:58 | * | jhMikeS agree with that...and should have cell borders and the numbers right-jutified :-) |
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| 10:44:24 | B4gder | cell padding delivered |
| 10:45:06 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I was referring to the watermark limiting |
| 10:45:20 | * | petur thinks delivery is quite fast :) |
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| 10:47:27 | jhMikeS | amiconn: oh...sorry. sure...prerecord limits would have to apply there too but less so atm because there's 5% padding in wavpack chunks and the chunks are smaller so more precise |
| 10:48:50 | jhMikeS | really it would potentially apply to anything if the prerecord time were set to something far longer that settings allows |
| 10:49:18 | amiconn | Why do wavpack chunks need padding? |
| 10:49:32 | petur | B4gder: maybe it should have been cellspacing iso padding, or a combination of both? |
| 10:50:02 | * | amiconn would expext a lossless compressor to store the samples verbatim if applying the algorithm would cause expansion |
| 10:50:17 | * | petur tries to mind his PaidWork(tm) |
| 10:50:26 | jhMikeS | amiconn: you can get negative compression in wavpack |
| 10:50:40 | amiconn | Odd format.... |
| 10:51:40 | jhMikeS | the inventor apparently doesn't care to handle the case by just storing uncompressed samples in that (rare) instance. can't figure why. |
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| 10:56:43 | jhMikeS | I discussed that stuff with bryant |
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| 10:59:53 | webguest11 | Hi there. I noticed work on a Rockbox port for the Archos AV300. How about the AV400? Similar, or a totally different beast? |
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| 11:00:10 | B4gder | webguest11: quite different |
| 11:00:16 | B4gder | although still possible |
| 11:00:27 | B4gder | just that no AV400 users are interested enough it seems |
| 11:00:47 | B4gder | afaik |
| 11:01:02 | webguest11 | OK thanks |
| 11:01:23 | webguest11 | Wish I had a couple hundred hours of free time to work on it myself ;-) |
| 11:01:43 | B4gder | cut down two hours sleep for 50 days and voila! ;-) |
| 11:02:16 | webguest11 | Already maxxed out on sleep deprivation, unfortunately! |
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| 11:02:34 | GodEater_ | identify f566mgy |
| 11:02:43 | B4gder | and now, it is time to change password! |
| 11:02:44 | GodEater_ | Bugger |
| 11:02:47 | GodEater_ | certianly is |
| 11:02:49 | B4gder | :-) |
| 11:02:50 | petur | rofl! |
| 11:02:59 | webguest11 | heh |
| 11:03:51 | scorche | looks like someone pulled a safetydan =P |
| 11:04:00 | petur | hahaha |
| 11:04:22 | GodEater_ | not *entirely* my fault - cgi:irc changed the input focus midway through me typing |
| 11:05:18 | * | jhMikeS has that one automated |
| 11:05:19 | B4gder | yeah yeah yeah, we believe you yes yes yes :-) |
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| 11:09:03 | GodEater_ | is it possible to automate it with irc:cgi ? |
| 11:09:10 | GodEater_ | cos if it is - I'll do it |
| 11:13:06 | * | webguest11 runs a window manager that forbids automatic focus changing |
| 11:13:23 | petur | inside the browser? |
| 11:13:58 | webguest11 | At a window level (I'm on Linux running X), maybe I misunderstand what focus is being talked about here.... |
| 11:14:02 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:14:07 | GodEater_ | it's not the window manager's fault - it's the scripts - it switches inside the firefox window it's running in |
| 11:14:17 | webguest11 | Aha. |
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| 11:14:28 | reacend | hi |
| 11:14:44 | webguest11 | Nothing a greasemonkey script can't fix :-) |
| 11:15:29 | GodEater_ | I thought of that too - but I'm not sure how to make sure the same thing doesn't happen to the greasemonkey script |
| 11:16:11 | reacend | hi, I got last night installed rockbox on my G5 video 30gb |
| 11:16:33 | reacend | and it work greate, but one question: i got a usb charge adaptor |
| 11:16:51 | reacend | when I plug it in the ipod thinks it is a computer and change to disk mode |
| 11:16:59 | reacend | how can I deny tjis? |
| 11:17:11 | Llorean | reacend: Are you using an official build? |
| 11:17:15 | reacend | yes |
| 11:17:30 | Llorean | In the Info -> Version screen, what does it say your version is? |
| 11:17:53 | reacend | will check one moment |
| 11:18:11 | * | GodEater_ thinks the info version screen should display the version at the top |
| 11:18:30 | * | Llorean thinks the version should stay displaying even after it flips to the credits. |
| 11:18:36 | GodEater_ | that too |
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| 11:18:44 | reacend | r12321-070215 |
| 11:18:56 | GodEater_ | pretty recent |
| 11:19:21 | Llorean | reacend: What brand charger is it? |
| 11:19:41 | reacend | it is a ac-usb adaptor and a normal usb ipod cable |
| 11:19:53 | Llorean | That's not what I asked. |
| 11:20:22 | reacend | yes |
| 11:20:29 | reacend | but it has no manufactor |
| 11:20:59 | Llorean | Try holding Menu while you plug the cable in. (Make sure you're already inside Rockbox) |
| 11:20:59 | reacend | made in china |
| 11:21:11 | reacend | ok |
| 11:22:37 | reacend | will charge it first |
| 11:22:41 | reacend | the night was to long ;) |
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| 11:29:05 | reacend | works very great |
| 11:29:07 | reacend | thanks |
| 11:30:53 | reacend | also one question |
| 11:30:56 | reacend | album arts |
| 11:31:10 | reacend | do I have to patch my rockbox? |
| 11:34:18 | reacend | ok |
| 11:34:24 | reacend | bmp album arts |
| 11:34:27 | linuxstb_ | Yes, or download an unofficial build that has already been patched. |
| 11:36:15 | reacend | so is there any planed release that uses the ipod video hardware decoder? |
| 11:36:24 | reacend | hardware mpeg decoder |
| 11:37:01 | Llorean | No. |
| 11:37:05 | reacend | ok |
| 11:37:11 | Llorean | Unless someone comes along and reverse engineers it for us, it's unlikely to ever be used. |
| 11:37:19 | reacend | ok |
| 11:37:46 | reacend | so its not a problem |
| 11:37:53 | reacend | so the last question ;) |
| 11:38:10 | reacend | can I use the bootloader from ipodlinux to boot your rockbox? |
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| 11:45:16 | reacend | Llorean: do I have to install the gba emulator seperatly? |
| 11:45:22 | preglow | jhMikeS: oy |
| 11:45:26 | Llorean | reacend: There is no GBA emulator |
| 11:45:29 | Llorean | reacend: Please, read the manual. |
| 11:46:30 | reacend | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1570008.3.3 |
| 11:46:39 | reacend | Rockboy is a Nintendo Game Boy and Game Boy Color emulator for Rockbox based on the gnuboy emulator. To start a game open a ROM file saved as .gb or .gbc in the file browser. |
| 11:47:02 | GodEater_ | that's gameboy, not gameboy advanced |
| 11:47:07 | reacend | ok |
| 11:47:18 | reacend | sorry m;) |
| 11:49:04 | linuxstb_ | reacend: And everything described in the manual (apart from the fonts) comes in the standard rockbox.zip you've (I assume) downloaded and installed. |
| 11:52:35 | jhMikeS | preglow: yo |
| 11:54:58 | preglow | jhMikeS: did the wavpack commit about five weeks ago mess up compression efficieny? |
| 11:55:02 | preglow | efficiency too |
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| 11:56:41 | jhMikeS | preglow: I think I was out to lunch on the size thing (forgot I was doing 88k :p) but the playback seems harder |
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| 11:57:16 | jhMikeS | x5 could play those 88k ones just fine after the pcf50606 i2c driver update |
| 11:57:24 | preglow | oh, ok |
| 11:57:30 | reacend | linuxstb_: okay, that is the problem that some themes will not work correctly |
| 11:57:35 | preglow | just thought you should tell david braynt if it was so, you see |
| 11:57:41 | preglow | he's usually very helpful |
| 11:57:55 | jhMikeS | I'll shoot a message to him |
| 11:58:07 | preglow | he's been working on optimising wavpack lately, i wonder if that stuff will fit into our decoder |
| 11:58:10 | Llorean | reacend: A) Have you installed all the fonts, and B) Do the themes require modified builds perhaps? |
| 11:58:25 | reacend | Llorean: that i have to check ;) |
| 11:58:49 | * | jhMikeS wishes he'd just break down and store raw pcm if compression is negative :\ |
| 11:59:54 | preglow | you've really got to have some fancy algorithms going if you manage negative compression ratio |
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| 12:00:41 | jhMikeS | he says it should manage it with random data but I tried white noise in CoolEdit and it compressed better than music...lol |
| 12:01:04 | preglow | hahaha |
| 12:01:16 | preglow | that's... weird... |
| 12:01:30 | preglow | that doesn't exactly bode well for the noise generator in cool edit |
| 12:01:31 | jhMikeS | preglow: why's it "fancy"? haven't looked at what wavpack employs |
| 12:01:52 | jhMikeS | I could try the rockbox random |
| 12:02:02 | preglow | wavpack just does tons of decorrelation passes with a potentially different filter each time |
| 12:02:18 | preglow | and then encodes the residue |
| 12:02:40 | jhMikeS | sound a bit flac-y |
| 12:03:27 | * | linuxstb_ wonders how flake, the new flac encoder is coming along |
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| 12:03:56 | preglow | jhMikeS: it kinda is, but flac just does one pass, and uses a higher order filter |
| 12:04:10 | preglow | jhMikeS: the wawvpack filter is almost always one-tap |
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| 12:04:21 | preglow | linuxstb_: i hope the flake guy stopped using bigger block sizes |
| 12:04:34 | preglow | i think josh told him kindly not to |
| 12:04:39 | DataGhost | hm linuxstb_... I'm not that much into the GPL |
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| 12:04:48 | jhMikeS | what about the exaustive option? it searches with that one afaik |
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| 12:05:01 | DataGhost | but wouldn't including ipodpatcher binary in a 'installer' which has no released sourcecode and license mean a violation of the GPL? |
| 12:05:10 | linuxstb_ | Absolutely. |
| 12:05:22 | linuxstb_ | Sorry, not the ".exe", but the code iself. |
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| 12:05:34 | DataGhost | well, he included the .exe IN another .exe |
| 12:05:35 | preglow | jhMikeS: wouldn't know, there's a doc around on how wavpack works, btw, if very interested |
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| 12:05:45 | jhMikeS | of course as always :) |
| 12:05:46 | DataGhost | and as far as my grepping can see, he doesn't mention the copyrights anywhere |
| 12:05:53 | preglow | i'll dig out the url |
| 12:06:01 | linuxstb_ | DataGhost: Do you have a URL? |
| 12:06:02 | preglow | bah, luckily, my mail server is down |
| 12:06:07 | GodEater_ | DataGhost: who is this ? |
| 12:06:14 | DataGhost | http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=22762&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 |
| 12:06:22 | DataGhost | some guy who made an 'installer' |
| 12:06:30 | DataGhost | don't know who he is |
| 12:06:40 | preglow | jhMikeS: i think he posted the url on hydrogenaudio some time, but i'll let you know when my mail server comes back upå |
| 12:06:42 | directhex|work | DataGhost, you can include gpl'd binaries in any format you like, including proprietary installers made by installshield, as long as source code to the gpl binaries is also available |
| 12:06:43 | DataGhost | but he 'refuses' to give the source... he's been asked to do so several times |
| 12:06:44 | preglow | up <- |
| 12:06:52 | DataGhost | ah ok directhex|work |
| 12:07:03 | DataGhost | I thought the copyright holders had to be mentioned as well |
| 12:07:19 | DataGhost | I haven't tried his installer but it just dd's a new MBR to the iPod 30GB |
| 12:07:22 | directhex|work | DataGhost, not explicitly. a copy of COPYING is needed though |
| 12:07:27 | jhMikeS | preglow: how does mp3 with an encoded residue to restore the original values compare in compression? I've heard the method used haven't encounter the format. |
| 12:07:31 | DataGhost | one which will cause the ext3 partition to be trashed after a hibernation |
| 12:07:52 | DataGhost | and it contains the ipodpatcher binary, loader2 bin and a dd dump of his ext3 partition |
| 12:08:16 | DataGhost | so I'm not going to try it :P |
| 12:08:23 | preglow | jhMikeS: actually wouldn't know, but i wouldn't have too high hopes, the residue can be quite big with mp3, it never was an algorithm based on minimising residue |
| 12:08:45 | preglow | as evidenced by it being a transform codec |
| 12:08:54 | jhMikeS | It's not something I plan on trying but just heard of it being used |
| 12:08:56 | markun | I'm writing a new button driver for the Gigabeat to return x, y and a pressure value. |
| 12:08:56 | directhex|work | DataGhost, he needs to provide the source to the gpl'd items on request, and he needs to include a copy of the license (but the gpl explicitly states that you don't need to accept it, so it shouldn't be included as part of the accepot/reject eula bit of the installer) |
| 12:09:24 | DataGhost | no but the inclusion of the software indicates that he accepts the GPL, for what I've just read |
| 12:09:29 | DataGhost | it's just a little bit hard to interpret :P |
| 12:09:31 | directhex|work | markun, any idea where the lcd power down default is set? i really need to change it to off by default :/ |
| 12:09:43 | markun | directhex|work: yes, I do, one moment |
| 12:09:54 | Llorean | DataGhost: What he means is that the people who use his tool don't have to accept the GPL. |
| 12:10:01 | linuxstb_ | DataGhost: Yes - the only rights he has to redistribute my code are the permissions I gave him under the GPL. |
| 12:10:02 | * | jhMikeS is gonna straighten out the upsamping...playback must accept that no data might come out of the dsp |
| 12:10:04 | DataGhost | oh ok :) |
| 12:10:15 | jhMikeS | downsampling rather :) |
| 12:10:21 | DataGhost | but 'we' just like to see the source code of his installer |
| 12:10:27 | DataGhost | which I basically got through reverse engineering now |
| 12:10:31 | directhex|work | DataGhost, as a distributor, he has to accept it, yes. which is why he needs to provide the source to the gpl'd files, on request, for a nominal media fee if need be |
| 12:10:33 | Llorean | DataGhost: But he does have to provide the source of the GPL'ed parts of his software (and he has to actually _provide_ them, of the specific version he distributes, not just point to them) |
| 12:10:49 | linuxstb_ | DataGhost: Looking at the .exe, he's also include the Rockbox bootloaders... Hence he's infringing the copyright of most Rockbox developers... |
| 12:11:04 | preglow | jhMikeS: interesting nevertheless, though, i've never actually thought about it |
| 12:11:10 | linuxstb_ | (he also needs to be providing the source to those bootloaders) |
| 12:11:10 | DataGhost | oh yes that comes with ipodpatcher... hm, heh. |
| 12:11:28 | preglow | jhMikeS: i expect some of the challenge might be finding a nice way to encode the residue based on its probability distribution |
| 12:11:34 | directhex|work | linuxstb_, that source doesn't need to be included per se - but he needs to provide it on request |
| 12:11:52 | linuxstb_ | directhex|work: Yes, that's what I meant. |
| 12:11:58 | linuxstb_ | "needs to be providing" |
| 12:12:35 | jhMikeS | preglow: don't the rice codes in flac do that? I need to sit back and tune back into the maths for a bit. |
| 12:13:40 | * | jhMikeS can't even recall if "rice codes" is a total munging of something :\ |
| 12:14:09 | DataGhost | by the way linuxstb_ |
| 12:14:17 | DataGhost | how do your apple modifications work? |
| 12:14:24 | DataGhost | mac-partition modifications* |
| 12:14:31 | DataGhost | first try msdos partitioning, then fall back to apple? |
| 12:14:56 | jhMikeS | well, stepping away from things for awhile and doing other things inpires a flood of ideas when returning to it |
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| 12:16:11 | linuxstb_ | DataGhost: Exactly the same way as loader2 - there is some magic in sector zero that's checked for a DOS partition table, if that isn't there, it checks the same sector for magic for an Apple Partition map. |
| 12:16:22 | DataGhost | ok good |
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| 12:16:38 | DataGhost | because I noticed that, after restoring my iPod to a winpod again, my mac partition map is still there |
| 12:16:49 | DataGhost | at least parts |
| 12:16:54 | DataGhost | I'm not sure about the first sector anymore |
| 12:17:05 | DataGhost | if that was completely 000000 or contained a jump instruction |
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| 12:17:28 | * | jhMikeS figured out why leaky integrators suck, for instance. |
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| 12:17:40 | linuxstb_ | DataGhost: BTW, that installer also includes the loader2 source, so the loader2 copyright holders could shout at him as well. |
| 12:17:48 | linuxstb_ | s/source/binary/ |
| 12:17:55 | DataGhost | yeah |
| 12:18:04 | preglow | jhMikeS: oh? |
| 12:18:08 | DataGhost | 2.5d6 so that includes me |
| 12:18:25 | directhex|work | linuxstb_, have people explicitly requested his source code & toolchain details for the gpl binaries (not the installer itself)? |
| 12:18:25 | DataGhost | but I guess that's only the request that he provides the source to the loader, right? |
| 12:18:40 | linuxstb_ | directhex|work: He's infringing by not offering them IIUC. |
| 12:18:41 | DataGhost | well, the source for the installer, afaik. directhex|work |
| 12:18:52 | DataGhost | because it was unknown what it does |
| 12:18:59 | Llorean | And by not including the copyright notice. |
| 12:19:03 | preglow | jhMikeS: rice codes work best on exponentially distributes residuals, afaik, something well-adapted lpc obviously yields |
| 12:19:13 | DataGhost | yet he put it on, for example, the 5.5G wiki page 'here is an automatic installer' (top of the page) |
| 12:19:13 | directhex|work | linuxstb_, he doesn't need to explicitly offer them, he needs to provide them on request |
| 12:19:28 | Llorean | directhex|work: He does need to explicitly state the copyright though |
| 12:19:37 | Llorean | And the license terms. |
| 12:20:05 | linuxstb_ | directhex|work: Read section 1 of the GPL... |
| 12:20:05 | preglow | jhMikeS: the problem with describing the residual for mp3 is that it's a perceptual codec, the residual can be described mathematically, but it won't be anything easy and closed form |
| 12:20:05 | jhMikeS | yeah, they don't really block dc. when fed a constant dc value they settle at a value that exactly leaks off the value over 1 period...bugger. |
| 12:20:38 | preglow | they don't block dc at all, no |
| 12:20:46 | preglow | if they did that, all would be good |
| 12:20:49 | jhMikeS | I did pop in a true dc blocker in that thing which is quite better |
| 12:20:50 | linuxstb_ | directhex|work: And section 3) (especially 3b) |
| 12:21:29 | preglow | jhMikeS: still not perfect, though, there'll still be precision problems with the triangle wave, afaik |
| 12:21:40 | DataGhost | I can request the kernel source, by the way |
| 12:21:47 | DataGhost | so I can see what he's done to it |
| 12:21:56 | DataGhost | because it's not mine but it sure as hell includes my modifications |
| 12:21:59 | jhMikeS | preglow: that's cause they turn the nice low -120 - -130 db noise floor into brown noise |
| 12:22:41 | LinusN | jhMikeS: "brown noise", is that farting? :-P |
| 12:23:15 | LinusN | lovely term |
| 12:23:20 | jhMikeS | LinusN: lol :P It's the noise that makes you crap your pants automatically |
| 12:23:34 | LinusN | nasty |
| 12:24:18 | preglow | hahahaha |
| 12:24:38 | jhMikeS | preglow: and it integrates that noise floor twice for a nice nasty 12db/octave rolloff...that's diarrhea |
| 12:24:45 | preglow | apparently |
| 12:24:52 | preglow | all this math does stress the bowels |
| 12:24:55 | directhex|work | DataGhost, so he's missing two things - the copyright notice and the 'source available on request' notice. has he been asked to provide those things explicitly? |
| 12:24:57 | markun | directhex|work: in firmware/target/arm/gigabeat/meg-fx/lcd-meg-fx.c: lcd_poweroff = true; |
| 12:25:08 | markun | directhex|work: if you comment it out you will be fine |
| 12:25:10 | DataGhost | http://www.ipodlinux.org/User_talk:Miche |
| 12:25:17 | DataGhost | I think he has actually supplied some |
| 12:25:24 | DataGhost | but I'm going to ask for the iPL source now |
| 12:25:40 | Llorean | directhex|work: He might actually be using GPL'ed code in his installer though. |
| 12:25:49 | directhex|work | markun, thanks. is there any reason not to make that the default? |
| 12:25:53 | Llorean | Does it run ipodpatcher.exe separately, as it's own application? |
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| 12:26:42 | markun | directhex|work: I think I will commit it, but it would have been nice if we found the actual problem |
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| 12:28:27 | DataGhost | I really don't know Llorean... I think so, since he included the entire binary (even the usage is in there0 |
| 12:28:42 | DataGhost | but obviously, I can't test it since I haven't got a 30GB 5.5G |
| 12:29:00 | * | jhMikeS is relieving his by typing it all here :p |
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| 12:34:16 | linuxstb_ | Llorean: I've just checked, and the installer .exe contains the entire ipodpatcher.exe embedded in it - "dd bs=1 skip=418700 count=460288 if=5.5gipl.exe of=ipodpatcher.exe" gives you the win32 ipodpatcher binary.... |
| 12:35:16 | reacend | is it possible to control the ipod via usb? |
| 12:35:24 | reacend | play ff rw etc |
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| 12:35:45 | linuxstb_ | In theory, yes, but there are no USB drivers in Rockbox. |
| 12:35:58 | reacend | ok |
| 12:36:18 | reacend | how is it with these fm transmitter |
| 12:36:27 | reacend | that you plug on the bottom of the ipod? |
| 12:37:06 | linuxstb_ | Rockbox doesn't have any support for ipod accessories. But some may work anyway, if they don't try and talk to the Apple firmware. |
| 12:37:16 | reacend | ok |
| 12:41:02 | preglow | jhMikeS: http://www.wavpack.com/WavPack.pdf |
| 12:41:21 | jhMikeS | thanks |
| 12:43:18 | jhMikeS | ooh...fixed the downsampler entirely :) |
| 12:44:21 | jhMikeS | now for some math as a reward |
| 12:47:27 | preglow | w00t |
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| 12:52:45 | jhMikeS | preglow: want to do an arm version of those functions...pretty please? I'm gonna do a coldfire one. A partial assembly one saves about 15% boost on the scp codec on cf and an optimized c about 10%. :) |
| 12:53:03 | jhMikeS | spc codec even |
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| 12:53:58 | reacend | linuxstb_: is my version the actual csv? |
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| 12:56:14 | preglow | jhMikeS: i'd rather spend time on making a new resampler, but ok... perhaps |
| 12:56:37 | preglow | an interpolator is probably needed anyway |
| 12:57:02 | preglow | should probably unroll it then |
| 12:57:21 | preglow | so we don't have that for statement in the innerloop |
| 12:58:05 | jhMikeS | preglow: did that |
| 12:59:40 | jhMikeS | I don't know if can have a fancy one going but the resampling is a big bottleneck that really shows itself with that codec. I can with that get about 69-70% boost on Uncharted Waters (H120) with that. |
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| 13:00:12 | * | jhMikeS put a lot of "with that"s in that *tired* |
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| 13:03:41 | preglow | then it's time to reenable the echo |
| 13:03:46 | preglow | spcs sound so dead without that |
| 13:04:28 | preglow | the fir filtering part of it is also begging for some movem.l and mac.l |
| 13:04:28 | jhMikeS | That was my next step to emac that when I got enough room but have to have the core ready |
| 13:05:19 | preglow | don't use FRACMUL there, like you've been saying in the tracker, btw |
| 13:05:29 | preglow | integer mode is what will work there |
| 13:05:43 | preglow | as far as i could see, the sample data is all 16 bit |
| 13:09:24 | jhMikeS | preglow: no...hell no. that was for other stuff |
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| 13:11:20 | jhMikeS | yes it's 16 bit. I suppose the clamping after voice mixing ought to go as well since the dsp clamps. See a problem with that anywhere? |
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| 13:13:06 | preglow | if we can make mac clamp, then yes, doing that is good |
| 13:13:38 | preglow | that whole spc processing loop looks kinda of hostile towards optimising |
| 13:13:53 | preglow | looks like it does one whole heap of stuff in one big per sample loop |
| 13:13:59 | jhMikeS | that's even better but the core dsp already does it |
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| 13:14:09 | preglow | ahh, yes indeed |
| 13:14:13 | * | jhMikeS also messed up his commit message - how to fix that |
| 13:14:35 | preglow | don't know, with cvs it was "cvs admin lolroflwhatever" |
| 13:15:35 | jhMikeS | yes, but I don't see an item in svn help that looks like it does that. It should have said "downsamping" |
| 13:15:39 | GodEater_ | you forgot "omgwtf?!?!?!" |
| 13:16:13 | preglow | i think we'll survive typos |
| 13:16:44 | jhMikeS | but that's just blatantly wrong :P |
| 13:17:05 | jhMikeS | the message that is...surviving typos is ok :) |
| 13:17:53 | directhex|work | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeddddddddddeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwqqqqqqqqqqqq111111111111q1qwert1234 |
| 13:18:01 | directhex|work | gah, sorry, cheese sauce incident |
| 13:18:12 | GodEater_ | hahahaha |
| 13:19:01 | markun | Can anyone comment on my code for a new Gigabeat button driver? perhaps the calculation of xmin/xmax etc can be done faster? |
| 13:19:02 | preglow | directhex|work: it was either that or you were dying |
| 13:19:03 | * | jhMikeS wondered if that was the svn command |
| 13:19:05 | markun | http://130.89.160.166/Gigabeat/newbuttons.c |
| 13:19:24 | GodEater_ | jhMikeS: it may well be |
| 13:19:25 | GodEater_ | ;) |
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| 13:19:30 | directhex|work | preglow, when i miss out on food, there's little difference :( |
| 13:19:31 | preglow | jhMikeS: btw, samples are 16 bits in the spc deal, yes? i see 'int' is used here and there for sample storage too |
| 13:19:41 | Mikachu | jhMikeS: http://subversion.tigris.org/faq.html#change-log-msg |
| 13:20:19 | jhMikeS | preglow: yes, should be faster so math is done in 32 bits |
| 13:20:41 | Mikachu | looks like you need to give Bagder some flowers |
| 13:20:57 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Would your dsp code (eq, crossfeed etc) need many changes to deal with other samplerates? (I'm assuming it works on 44.1KHz data at the moment). |
| 13:21:45 | preglow | linuxstb_: my code would need none at all for eq, just a simple change in the eq setting code and crossfeed will be worse :-) |
| 13:22:32 | preglow | i'll need to find some way to free a register for that |
| 13:23:00 | * | linuxstb_ wants someone to add varying samplerate playback to rockbox... |
| 13:23:09 | preglow | but don't let that stand in your way if you want to introduce multiple sample rate support... |
| 13:23:21 | preglow | it will work in the meantime, it just won't be right |
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| 13:23:42 | jhMikeS | rrrr...stupid connection |
| 13:23:55 | linuxstb_ | preglow: I want it, but can't bring myself to try and enter playback.c and do it... |
| 13:24:05 | Nico_P | markun: would it be hard to add rotating to the gigabeat lcd driver ? |
| 13:24:39 | jhMikeS | Mikachu: don't know if you got it...thanks |
| 13:26:57 | pixelma | GodEater_: about the rockbox webclient login... you could try the "advanced" link in the login window. This leads you to a more sophisticated login mask where you could type your password beforehand. :) |
| 13:27:11 | GodEater_ | heh - thanks ;) |
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| 13:29:40 | jhMikeS | no pre-revprop-change hook :( |
| 13:30:52 | jhMikeS | maybe svnadmin will do it :\ |
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| 13:37:03 | Paprica | linuxstb_... thank you for commit chopper :) |
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| 13:39:29 | linuxstb_ | Paprica: You're welcome. |
| 13:40:52 | * | LinusN can't find PluginChopper |
| 13:41:30 | Paprica | LinusN.. may i recive my commit access again? |
| 13:42:40 | LinusN | Paprica: i /msg:d you |
| 13:43:38 | preglow | jhMikeS: you gonna commit that resampler asm code today? i'll just wait until you do so i don't do anything completely different |
| 13:43:39 | * | GodEater_ just enjoyed the chopper plugin for the first time |
| 13:44:45 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Looking at the current (SVN) version of flake, the blocksize defaults to no more than 4608 (the same as libflac) for all compression levels, so all seems good there. |
| 13:45:51 | preglow | linuxstb_: excellent |
| 13:46:21 | jhMikeS | preglow: as soon as I get a chance to do it up. I suppose I'll add it to dsp_cf.S and add #define DSP_HAVE_ASM_RESAMPLING to dsp_asm.h. The parameter order will allow easy use of movem.l <= tell me if that's bad for arm |
| 13:47:20 | preglow | easy use of movem.l almost always translates to easy use of ldmia on arm, so go ahead |
| 13:47:35 | preglow | and arm has no address/data register concept |
| 13:47:42 | preglow | so the order shouldn't matter |
| 13:48:01 | jhMikeS | well, then I'll jsut group it best for coldfire |
| 13:50:41 | linuxstb_ | With my first test file, "flac -8" took 25 seconds to compress, "flake -9" took 6.3 seconds, and the flake file is very slightly smaller (but negligible).... |
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| 13:54:01 | GodEater_ | that's fairly impressive |
| 13:54:05 | | Part Llorean |
| 13:54:38 | SirFunk | hmm.. what's flake? |
| 13:54:43 | GodEater_ | a flac compressor |
| 13:54:56 | GodEater_ | http://flake-enc.sourceforge.net/ |
| 13:55:01 | SirFunk | hmm.. the output is readable by flac decoders? |
| 13:55:12 | GodEater_ | I imagine that's the idea... |
| 13:55:12 | linuxstb_ | Of course, it wouldn't be flac encoder otherwise. |
| 13:55:16 | SirFunk | :-P |
| 13:55:17 | Mikachu | that is sort of the definition of a flac encoder |
| 13:55:22 | SirFunk | yeah yah :-P |
| 13:55:30 | jhMikeS | can this lead to flac_enc.codec or not fast enough for that/ |
| 13:55:39 | linuxstb_ | It uses floating point... |
| 13:55:45 | SirFunk | i wonder how it compares to wavpack |
| 13:55:48 | GodEater_ | that answers that then |
| 13:55:48 | preglow | linuxstb_: throughout? |
| 13:55:59 | linuxstb_ | Just in parts I think. |
| 13:56:07 | preglow | ordinary flac also uses some floating point, afaik |
| 13:56:32 | SirFunk | i think from my tests flac tended to be smaller than wavpack but it took way longer to compress.. maybe flake will fix that |
| 13:56:33 | linuxstb_ | "svn co https://flake-enc.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/flake-enc flake-enc" will get you the source |
| 13:57:00 | Mikachu | are they still doing main development there, or in ffmpeg? |
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| 13:57:36 | linuxstb_ | I don't know, but I certainly hope the standalone encoder remains. |
| 13:57:56 | preglow | but anyway |
| 13:58:06 | preglow | libflac performing badly just doesn't surprise me |
| 13:58:13 | preglow | it's one of the worst pieces of c i have seen |
| 13:58:20 | Mikachu | it's just a reference implementation |
| 13:58:28 | preglow | still doesn't forgive the way it's written |
| 13:58:29 | linuxstb_ | Last update was on 27th January 2007, so it seems active. |
| 13:58:33 | jhMikeS | c = chit? |
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| 14:00:30 | linuxstb_ | preglow: But it worked - i.e. FLAC became the de-facto lossless compression standard. In its defence, the library and API are well-documented and easy to incorporate into players. |
| 14:01:39 | preglow | linuxstb_: i don't really see the heavy-handed way that library has written as any part in that |
| 14:01:40 | linuxstb_ | Someone should release the ffmpeg flac decoder as a companion standalone decoder to flake though... |
| 14:01:55 | preglow | has/is |
| 14:02:21 | preglow | if they'd written it in the style of the ffmpeg decoder, nothing much would have changed |
| 14:02:28 | preglow | it would still be a popular format |
| 14:03:08 | Mikachu | linuxstb_: iiuc they changed the api incompatibly in 1.1.3 |
| 14:06:34 | linuxstb_ | That would surprise me if it was the case. But still, we don't use it, so we're happy. |
| 14:07:00 | Mikachu | i remember seeing some swearing in the commit logs of some audio players |
| 14:10:10 | preglow | i think that's an effect you see often when observing people dealing with that library |
| 14:10:15 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Looking at flake, floating point seems to only be used internally within the lpc.c file (in the functions labeled static). |
| 14:10:18 | linuxstb_ | :) |
| 14:10:31 | preglow | i'm still not the same guy i was |
| 14:10:50 | preglow | linuxstb_: yeah, i expected that |
| 14:11:13 | preglow | linuxstb_: i don't think i would have dared doing that in a lossless encoder, but i guess he knows what he's doing |
| 14:14:08 | linuxstb_ | BTW, wavpack (the default options) takes 3.6 seconds to decode the same file "flake -9" took 6.3 seconds for.... |
| 14:14:15 | linuxstb_ | s/decode/encode/ |
| 14:14:23 | linuxstb_ | (and FLAC 25 seconds) |
| 14:14:27 | preglow | heh |
| 14:14:56 | preglow | i'm using wavpack myself |
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| 14:15:15 | preglow | only thing i miss with it is the possibility to decode from/to cue points in a single file |
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| 14:15:27 | linuxstb_ | But flake default is 2.1 seconds to encode... |
| 14:17:10 | linuxstb_ | In my 25MB (when compressed) file, wavpack default is about 150,000 bytes smaller than flake default. |
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| 14:30:03 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Maybe Mr Bryant would add that for you... |
| 14:30:18 | preglow | linuxstb_: i'm thinking of asking... |
| 14:30:35 | preglow | on second thought, i'd also like support for reading raw files |
| 14:30:39 | preglow | heh |
| 14:30:49 | preglow | which selectable endianness |
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| 14:32:10 | linuxstb_ | I can't imagine decoding to/from cue points would be hard to implement though. |
| 14:33:11 | preglow | you'd need a cue parser |
| 14:33:24 | preglow | and i've discovered i truly, truly hate writing those |
| 14:33:33 | preglow | probably because i don't really know how to do it well |
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| 14:33:42 | preglow | not without using yacc, anyway |
| 14:33:44 | Mikachu | don't you have one of those already? |
| 14:33:58 | preglow | probably plenty :> |
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| 14:34:04 | Mikachu | i maen in rockbox |
| 14:34:06 | preglow | indeed |
| 14:34:47 | preglow | that's gpl code, though, how would that sit in a bsd project? |
| 14:35:05 | Mikachu | aren't they compatible? |
| 14:35:22 | linuxstb_ | Only in one direction... |
| 14:35:24 | preglow | well bsd allows you to not release sources, gpl does |
| 14:35:26 | preglow | so no |
| 14:35:35 | preglow | s/allows/doesn't require you to/ |
| 14:35:57 | linuxstb_ | I thought you just meant something like flac's "−−skip" and "−−until" options. |
| 14:36:24 | preglow | linuxstb_: i mean it's −−cue option |
| 14:36:28 | preglow | its |
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| 14:37:40 | linuxstb_ | Ah, so you mean the ability to embed a cuesheet and then extract one track based on that cuesheet? |
| 14:39:11 | preglow | yea |
| 14:39:21 | preglow | it's really just for an easy cd archival thing i've got going |
| 14:39:51 | preglow | i rip as one big bin/toc, then encode to lossless with embedded cue, and then have a script that can transcode automatically to whatever i want based on that combo |
| 14:40:04 | preglow | i'm tired of ripping cds... |
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| 14:41:48 | preglow | i could just decode to wav, then split that wav, then encode, but i'd rather not |
| 14:44:48 | pixelma | oh cool... when I want to start chopper, I get a "I09: CPUAdrEr at 091F91F8" - only rolo'ed in though and it worked in the sim... |
| 14:45:27 | preglow | how nice |
| 14:46:39 | reacend | after pluggin in the ipod with menu haven hold down, the ipaq plays 10 seconds and then it poweroff |
| 14:47:06 | pixelma | not when I start the plugin but when choosing "start new game" in the menu |
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| 14:48:34 | reacend | hello |
| 14:48:37 | reacend | any help? |
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| 14:49:30 | markun | reacend: you try to connect your ipod to a ipaq? |
| 14:50:07 | reacend | i mean |
| 14:50:09 | reacend | ipod |
| 14:50:10 | reacend | sorry |
| 14:50:11 | reacend | ;) |
| 14:50:18 | reacend | i got also an ipaq right here |
| 14:50:50 | amiconn | Address error... 'nice' :/ |
| 14:51:33 | preglow | man, i love the size table |
| 14:51:33 | preglow | haha |
| 14:52:05 | * | markun too |
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| 14:52:42 | markun | good day B4gder |
| 14:52:49 | B4gder | hey ho |
| 14:53:26 | reacend | markun: any help? |
| 14:53:54 | markun | reacend: no idea |
| 14:54:22 | markun | I thought maybe menu is also the shutdown button on the ipods, but it isn't.. |
| 14:55:45 | * | linuxstb_ knew he would regret committing chopper... |
| 14:55:56 | reacend | how long does it take to charge a ipod? |
| 14:56:06 | Shaid | 2 to 4 hours |
| 14:56:08 | Shaid | for a 4th gen |
| 14:57:10 | reacend | 5th? |
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| 14:57:21 | Shaid | about the same, really |
| 14:57:29 | reacend | ok |
| 14:57:37 | Shaid | I usually leave it overnight. |
| 14:57:43 | reacend | ok |
| 14:57:56 | Shaid | though take into account I'm using the firewire wallcharger. |
| 14:58:08 | reacend | ohh fuck, i have to search for my sennheiser headset |
| 14:58:21 | Shaid | those aren't small usually. |
| 14:58:36 | reacend | tommorow is motorbike time with rockbox ;) |
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| 14:59:47 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: So you are always getting that error with chopper when attempting to start a game? |
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| 15:00:39 | pixelma | yep... for once it wos an IllInstr though when I set another level before (but that's not reproducable) |
| 15:00:43 | pixelma | *was |
| 15:01:32 | pixelma | a different thing (probably because of the menu icons thing) the "Rockbox Info" screen is shifted to the right |
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| 15:02:32 | pixelma | also the "Runtime" screen |
| 15:02:51 | amiconn | The address error happens in xlcd_filltriangle... |
| 15:05:36 | linuxstb_ | No idea if this is the bug you're seeing, but the chopAddParticle function looks broken - that looks like it should be checking NUMBER_OF_PARTICLES in the if(), not NUMBER_OF_BLOCKS. |
| 15:05:54 | * | linuxstb_ pings Paprica |
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| 15:18:54 | pixelma | when I switch off the icons, the two screens are shifted not that far to the right (only the dimension of the scrollbar I suppose though there is none). |
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| 15:19:08 | Shaid | new port testing? |
| 15:19:58 | BigBambi | Speaking of chopper bugs: on the H1x0, when you die the screen freezes. Pressing navi takes you to where the menu should be, but there is nothing on screen. However, the menu is still there, for if you press down the correct number of times the menu item that would be hilighted is selected |
| 15:21:20 | preglow | starting to sound like quite a game, this |
| 15:21:48 | BigBambi | It is good fun to play! |
| 15:21:59 | B4gder | you just need to make sure you don't die |
| 15:22:25 | BigBambi | lol, yeah :) Sadly I'm not yet good enough that that works |
| 15:22:57 | GodEater_ | best I've managed is a distance of 2771 |
| 15:23:06 | BigBambi | 16xx for me :( |
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| 15:23:10 | GodEater_ | it start's getting too fast for me after that |
| 15:23:30 | GodEater_ | I've got to stop with the pointless apostrophes |
| 15:23:33 | Shaid | I think you have no choice but to die eventually. |
| 15:23:41 | BigBambi | I clearly need to practice - yet another thing to distract from work |
| 15:23:57 | BigBambi | Shaid: very profound |
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| 15:32:34 | pixelma | got the IllInstr with chopper again... "I04: IllInstr at 00000404" if that helps |
| 15:33:43 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: Can you try changing line 382 of chopper.c to read NUMBER_OF_PARTICLES instead of NUMBER_OF_BLOCKS ? |
| 15:34:36 | pixelma | I will try |
| 15:36:25 | linuxstb_ | BigBambi: That sounds like a colour problem (as he isn't here, I can try and blame midkay's changes for that...) |
| 15:36:40 | Shaid | haha |
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| 15:37:19 | BigBambi | linuxstb_, colour in what way? Conversion from original colour to greyscale? |
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| 15:37:57 | linuxstb_ | BigBambi: As in, for greyscale targets, the colours aren't being reset correctly before the menu is drawn. |
| 15:38:02 | BigBambi | aha |
| 15:38:25 | BigBambi | I did compile chopper when it was a patch and didn't have any problems, but it was using its own menu then |
| 15:38:39 | pixelma | btw. about midkay's changes: The "game over, press x to continue" doesn't fit on Archos screens. If it was a real splash it could I think (because it could take up two lines I thought) |
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| 15:39:02 | pixelma | (as seen in the sim) |
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| 15:39:22 | BigBambi | Pixelma - so I guess that splash isn't being displayed on the H1x0 when I thought the screen had frozen. Presing navi is OK |
| 15:39:24 | Mikachu | maybe the text ingame shouldn't be drawn in black, as the background is also black |
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| 15:44:24 | pixelma | linuxstb_: changing that line didn't help |
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| 15:56:27 | pixelma | BigBambi: sounds likely or maybe you just can't see it - as Mikachu's find implies (?) - I guess it would read "press 'Navi' to continue" anyways |
| 15:57:02 | BigBambi | Yes, I suspect that too - it seems tied in with the drawing problems of the menu |
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| 16:08:47 | * | Domonoky updated his patch to rbUtil again, now fwpatcher is completly assimilated and compiling on Unix schould be easier |
| 16:11:38 | linuxstb_ | Nice. I should have time this evening to try it out. Do you think it's ready for committing yet, or are you still working on it? |
| 16:19:22 | Domonoky | Bootloader support for H10 is still missing, and it needs testing for targets other than ipod and h1x0 |
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| 16:25:12 | Domonoky | for gigabeat, is the newest bootloader on download.rockbox.org ? (and there is no bootsplash.raw on download.rockbock.org is this needed ?? |
| 16:27:37 | directhex|work | attachment on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Installation_Instructions is newer |
| 16:28:17 | linuxstb_ | Domonoky: How big is the Windows executable for rbutil now? |
| 16:29:07 | Domonoky | with compression (i think ucl ) its 2.604 KB .. |
| 16:29:36 | Domonoky | so dont try rbUtil on Gigabeat. :-) |
| 16:29:51 | Domonoky | it will install the older loader.. (and no bootsplash ) :-) |
| 16:34:03 | linuxstb_ | rbutil is going to be a bandwidth hog if it becomes the standard way to install Rockbox... |
| 16:34:20 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 16:34:29 | Soap | torrent |
| 16:35:29 | Soap | or I can directly mirror it - perhaps Bagder could set up a rotating mirror link. |
| 16:36:02 | B4gder | we can use a round robin dns |
| 16:36:15 | B4gder | like with rbutil.rockbox.org |
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| 16:37:28 | Soap | I have a couple hundreg GB of unused monthly tranfser allowance. |
| 16:37:33 | Soap | hundred even |
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| 16:39:49 | linuxstb_ | I also think rbutil needs a better name... |
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| 16:40:13 | Soap | iUtil |
| 16:40:19 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 16:40:29 | Domonoky | rockUtil :-) |
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| 16:47:03 | GodEater_ | at the risk of sounding boring, I think "Rockbox installer" is probably best |
| 16:47:49 | Soap | GodEater_, if you said "Rockbox iNstaller" you would have my vote. |
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| 16:48:49 | Domonoky | hm, and if it does in the future more than installing ? (database generation has been suggested) |
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| 16:49:00 | GodEater_ | why the capitalised N ? |
| 16:49:11 | Mikachu | an iPun |
| 16:49:15 | thegeek | linusN ? |
| 16:49:15 | thegeek | ;P |
| 16:49:16 | l33ch | hi all :) is kernel_on_cop_8.diff working good for you ? target is H10 :) |
| 16:49:18 | GodEater_ | ah - I'm so slow today |
| 16:49:31 | thegeek | Does anyone know if linusn has made any progress on the fat code (for the 80gb) ? |
| 16:49:41 | GodEater_ | read the forums thegeek |
| 16:49:48 | thegeek | I do |
| 16:50:03 | GodEater_ | well then you know what progress he's made |
| 16:50:08 | Soap | He answered that quesiton himself within the last 12 hours. |
| 16:50:09 | linuxstb_ | Domonoky: last.fm/scrobbler support could be useful for some people |
| 16:50:21 | thegeek | kk;) |
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| 16:50:44 | Domonoky | :-), so Rockbox Installer isnt a good name.. |
| 16:50:45 | * | GodEater_ hopes his cheeky response to LinusN's statement on the matter is taken in good humour |
| 16:51:24 | thegeek | oh yes;P |
| 16:51:33 | directhex|work | it sounds like some kind of generic rockbox utility. the name needs to relfect that. and lower case letters are cool. i propose "rbutil"! |
| 16:51:34 | thegeek | I know the question is not the "best" |
| 16:51:54 | l33ch | cu |
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| 16:52:05 | thegeek | ;) |
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| 17:36:10 | Dunkelschub | is there a reason rockbox isn't picking my ID tags on my mp3 files? |
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| 17:43:54 | pixelma | What build and target you are using? And do you mean it is not showing the tags in the WPS or when building the database (and/or showing them in database view)? |
| 17:45:37 | Dunkelschub | 2007-02-16, Gigabeat F40, it's not picking up the song or artist name in the WPS |
| 17:46:11 | Soap | are you sure you have ID3 tags and not APE? |
| 17:48:13 | Dunkelschub | I think the tags are just bad, I uploaded some other songs and they work fine |
| 17:48:27 | Dunkelschub | thanks anyway |
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| 17:51:05 | directhex|work | i have no tag issues on my real gigabeat, so it's probably a files issue |
| 17:51:12 | Tnaden | Hi, can i make a suggestion for a future release? (or am i just too stupid to realise that i allready have this functionality) |
| 17:51:55 | Mikachu | go ahead |
| 17:51:59 | Tnaden | When playing a playlist, and pressing the select button, is it possible to go back to the original playlist |
| 17:52:15 | Tnaden | if you shuffle a dir the battery consumtion is huge |
| 17:52:25 | Mikachu | if you saved it first |
| 17:52:36 | Tnaden | i mean.. |
| 17:52:59 | Tnaden | if i open (and have the shuffle function on) the whole list is shuffled |
| 17:53:20 | Tnaden | so when i press select all songs are in a complete mess :P |
| 17:53:43 | Tnaden | if I open a playlist* |
| 17:54:17 | Mikachu | are you suggesting the shuffle option shouldn't enable shuffle? |
| 17:54:26 | Tnaden | no not at all :P |
| 17:54:28 | Soap | as in a .m3u playlist already on your player in file form? |
| 17:54:37 | Tnaden | yeah a m3u file |
| 17:54:47 | Tnaden | winamp |
| 17:54:53 | Soap | then turn off shuffle and reload the playlist, or am I still missing something. |
| 17:55:00 | Tnaden | >< |
| 17:55:03 | Tnaden | sort of :P |
| 17:55:20 | Tnaden | i used to have a creative zen mirco |
| 17:55:55 | Tnaden | if you loaded a playlist and enabled shuffle, you still could view the original playlist and choose songs if you wanted too |
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| 17:56:59 | Soap | ahh, but that is where the winamp paradigm and rockbox one differ. |
| 17:57:10 | Tnaden | if you didn't it would shuffle away.. if you did, it would keep shuffling after that song was played.. |
| 17:57:12 | Tnaden | oh? |
| 17:57:35 | Soap | Rockbox works off of playlists. |
| 17:57:37 | Tnaden | so should i make a playlist via the rockbox os? |
| 17:57:59 | Soap | When you open a playlist in shuffle mode, it creates (doesn't save) a new, shuffled, playlist. |
| 17:57:59 | Tnaden | * |
| 17:58:03 | Tnaden | *testing* |
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| 17:59:05 | Tnaden | yeah |
| 17:59:07 | Soap | See, Winamp doesn't need to worry about filling a playback buffer like rockbox does. PC hard drives are faster, and there not the need to worry about conserving every precious drop of battery juice as there is in an embedded project like Rockbox. |
| 17:59:43 | Tnaden | ofc |
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| 18:00:27 | Soap | So rockbox is, even in shuffle mode, pre-loading a playlist's contents into RAM... |
| 18:00:31 | Tnaden | so i cant shuffle a playlist and when i view it see it in the same order as it originally was? |
| 18:00:48 | Soap | not to the best of my knowledge. |
| 18:00:53 | Tnaden | k |
| 18:01:17 | Tnaden | that can only be done if i shuffle a dir atm.. |
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| 18:01:43 | Tnaden | and if i do that i'm tecnically not viewing the playlist.. |
| 18:02:10 | Tnaden | just choosing wich song the new playlist should start with. |
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| 18:03:01 | Tnaden | >< it works but is very battery consuming, even if i don't choose new songs and just leave the shuffle on |
| 18:03:51 | Soap | what is very battery consuming? |
| 18:04:41 | Tnaden | to go into a dir and choose a song, forcing rockbox to create a new playlist (containg that dir) and shuffle it |
| 18:05:22 | Soap | yea, that would do it. |
| 18:05:23 | Tnaden | bah, i gotta go... thx anyway ;) |
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| 18:23:10 | preglow | anyone else think the default lowshelf eq cutoff freq is a bit low? |
| 18:24:21 | preglow | and the highshelf one might be a bit high too |
| 18:24:23 | perl|work | new iriver offering |
| 18:24:25 | perl|work | http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?&u=http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20070216/iriver.htm |
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| 18:33:00 | xamox | anyone ever just get a blank screen with rockbox? |
| 18:33:14 | xamox | I tried pluggin it in via USB but isn't doing anything |
| 18:33:33 | xamox | anyway I can reset it? |
| 18:33:50 | Mikachu | you want to mention what device you have |
| 18:33:55 | xamox | nano] |
| 18:33:59 | xamox | 1st gen |
| 18:34:13 | Mikachu | menu+select then |
| 18:34:29 | xamox | ahh, awesome, thx |
| 18:34:32 | xamox | that fixed it |
| 18:34:45 | xamox | Mikachu, ^^^ |
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| 18:42:56 | perl|work | amusing thread |
| 18:42:56 | perl|work | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8814.0 |
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| 19:27:22 | preglow | time for a couple of bitters |
| 19:27:33 | GodEater | pint of ? |
| 19:27:37 | preglow | hyes |
| 19:27:40 | GodEater | ;) |
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| 20:55:04 | Redboy1 | Help... |
| 20:55:16 | Redboy1 | Anyone here? |
| 20:55:25 | Dunkelschub | what do you need? |
| 20:55:51 | bonbonthejon | hi |
| 20:57:16 | Redboy1 | I just installed Rockbox bootloader. Now my ipod boots to the "rockbox boot loader Version: blah blah" screen and goes no further. |
| 20:57:28 | Redboy1 | Rebooting the ipod has no effect. |
| 20:57:40 | nls | Redboy1: which ipod? |
| 20:58:12 | petur | did you also unzip the latest rockbox build onto it? |
| 20:58:34 | Redboy1 | 5.5G |
| 20:58:44 | Redboy1 | I can't access the ipod from the pc at all now... |
| 20:58:57 | Redboy1 | When I do ipodpatcher −− scan it sees nothing. |
| 20:59:28 | petur | 80GB? |
| 20:59:31 | Soap | no error message on your ipod's screen when you boot? |
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| 21:00:50 | Redboy1 | Nope. |
| 21:00:57 | Redboy1 | Yes...80 GB |
| 21:01:06 | Redboy1 | I can type whole message: |
| 21:01:10 | petur | aargh |
| 21:01:10 | nls | Redboy1: It is NOT supported |
| 21:01:17 | Redboy1 | Rockbox boot loader |
| 21:01:25 | nls | Redboy1: follow the uninstall instructions |
| 21:01:31 | Redboy1 | Version:20r12194-070204 |
| 21:01:34 | nls | or use itunes to restore it |
| 21:01:37 | petur | didn't you read the page where you got ipodpatcher? |
| 21:01:49 | Redboy1 | IPOD version: 0xFFFFFFFF |
| 21:02:00 | Redboy1 | TOSHIBA MD8010GH |
| 21:02:14 | Redboy1 | I tried...I can't connect w/ ipod from PC any more... |
| 21:02:21 | Redboy1 | That's the problem, or I would have uninstalled. |
| 21:02:33 | hcs | use disk mode, hold select and menu while booting |
| 21:02:37 | Soap | menu+select to reboot |
| 21:02:56 | Soap | as soon as it reboots (apple logo) select+play to force disk mode. |
| 21:02:59 | hcs | erm, sorry, select and play |
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| 21:03:26 | Redboy1 | I get the apple for like 1/4 second, but I'll try. |
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| 21:03:48 | Redboy1 | Ah...that seems to be working. |
| 21:04:19 | Redboy1 | Now...can I salvage the install somehow, or should I just remove it? |
| 21:04:30 | nls | Redboy1: NOT supported |
| 21:04:46 | nls | iow remove it |
| 21:05:00 | nls | it being the bootloader |
| 21:05:10 | Redboy1 | Oh...5.5G not supported? ...or just 80GB not supported...? |
| 21:05:24 | Soap | just the 80GB drive |
| 21:05:39 | nls | 80GB not supported, as the frontpage manual and install instructions in the wiki says ... |
| 21:05:44 | Redboy1 | So I have to wait anyway, regardless, until Rockbox supports mine...? |
| 21:05:49 | Soap | yes |
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| 21:05:58 | Redboy1 | I thought I read differently...my bad |
| 21:06:35 | Soap | (when Rockbox says "not supported" they mean it doesn't work) (when IPL says "not supported" they mean - "eh, it may work, but don't ask for help") |
| 21:07:57 | nls | maybe we should change the frontpage to explicitly say that it "will not work" instead of "not supported" |
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| 21:09:46 | Redboy1 | Well...on the linux page I was reading that, although the 5.5G is "unsupported", there are various folks who have used it successfully and like it. |
| 21:09:47 | petur | and put <H1></H1> around it ;) |
| 21:10:25 | Redboy1 | I lumped Rockbox into the same category, and figured if it doesn't work then it just won't work. |
| 21:10:38 | petur | and it didn't ;) |
| 21:10:56 | Redboy1 | Didn't realize it would hang altogether... and then couldn't find those book-key combinations |
| 21:11:10 | Redboy1 | I appreciate your help...and will wait for the release that supports mine I guess. |
| 21:11:43 | Dunkelschub | I remember doing that for the Gigabeat |
| 21:11:47 | Redboy1 | Anyhow...thanks for the information. |
| 21:11:55 | Redboy1 | I really do appreciate it. |
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| 21:18:08 | Redboy1 | I've got the original firmware running again and successfully removed Rockbox. Thanks for your help. |
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| 21:28:35 | blackness | whats the best way to dissect a dock cable? |
| 21:29:39 | blackness | for the ipod that is. |
| 21:30:02 | hcs | mine sort of dissects itself from overuse... |
| 21:33:33 | Soap | blackness: are you planning on making your own dongle out of an existing cable? |
| 21:33:52 | blackness | yeah I have one cable with one side of it alreadly loose cuz its old, I just wanted to be able to put it back together |
| 21:34:08 | Soap | how are your soldering skills? |
| 21:34:51 | blackness | they are alright... |
| 21:34:57 | blackness | alright i'm lying |
| 21:35:19 | blackness | i'm trying to make a line in with a 3.5mm jack |
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| 21:35:57 | Soap | I dig, but I really think you should consider buying "naked" connectors from the ipodlinux group buy. |
| 21:36:16 | Soap | They are cheap, delivered quickly, and you can get a larger one with more room in which to work. |
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| 21:41:19 | blackness | is it really bad? |
| 21:42:37 | Soap | it's tight in there. |
| 21:43:02 | Soap | at least look at the ipodlinux wiki page on the dock connector. |
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| 21:46:57 | blackness | well I already broke this one I have |
| 21:47:30 | blackness | I just wish I had a good tut on making the thing |
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| 21:49:38 | Soap | If you have any specific questions, I can probably answer them. |
| 21:50:01 | blackness | what pins exactly do I have to solder for the line in |
| 21:50:26 | Soap | now that is something you can get from the Ipodlinux dock connector wiki page. |
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| 21:51:24 | Soap | I'll gladly help (though we should do it PM) but I'm not going to do your reading for you. |
| 21:53:53 | kopf | anyone here use foobar2000 and rockbox and last.fm? |
| 21:54:05 | Soap | yesX3 |
| 21:54:09 | kopf | nice |
| 21:54:10 | kopf | erm |
| 21:54:15 | kopf | i'm having some troubles - http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=52764 |
| 21:54:28 | kopf | tracks aren't submitting from foo_audioscrobbler any more :< |
| 21:55:00 | Soap | this is strictly a rockbox channel, if you want to discuss off topic, yet still rockbox themed stuff #rockbox-community is a better place. |
| 21:55:39 | kopf | ok :< |
| 21:56:03 | blackness | how do I remove the metal casing |
| 21:56:55 | Soap | blackness: same with you - this should be in PM or #rockbox-community. |
| 21:57:12 | blackness | K |
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| 22:37:42 | barrywardell | if I'm setting the props on a svn file, do I just do 'svn propset svn:keywords Id [filename]'? |
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| 23:21:05 | Bagder | 28 growth points to barrywardell ;-) |
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| 23:21:49 | barrywardell | but I did add a new function, so it's not so bad :) |
| 23:22:14 | Bagder | indeed, and the sensitive platforms were unaffected |
| 23:22:15 | pixelma | besides the red for Ipod3g ;) |
| 23:22:33 | Bagder | ah |
| 23:22:49 | Bagder | tricky with *two* tables to check now ;-) |
| 23:23:10 | barrywardell | yeah, I'm fixing the red now |
| 23:23:12 | Mikachu | when there's a build error, do you compare to the size before that? |
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| 23:23:19 | Bagder | Mikachu: yes |
| 23:23:35 | Mikachu | oh that has already happened, i didn't notice that first |
| 23:23:45 | preglow | barrywardell: so the usb parts in the ipods are switched off and powered down? :/ |
| 23:24:21 | Mikachu | if you connect two rockboxed ipods, does the client try to charge from the host then? |
| 23:24:25 | Mikachu | (hypothetically) |
| 23:24:44 | Mikachu | i didn't think that through all the way |
| 23:24:48 | barrywardell | preglow: I'm still not sure if they're powered down |
| 23:24:55 | preglow | or more importantly, if you connect a rockboxed ipod to a retailos ipod, will rockbox leech off the other as far as it can?!! |
| 23:25:35 | Soap | Rockbox is a parasite? |
| 23:25:49 | hcs | Metroidbox |
| 23:25:50 | barrywardell | there seem to be some differences related to power setting between the driver I have as a reference and what's in the PP chip |
| 23:26:01 | Mikachu | technically, yes :) you install it in a host and it lives there, drawing power from it |
| 23:26:05 | barrywardell | preglow: haha. that would be interesting |
| 23:26:28 | preglow | barrywardell: so it's not a perfect match after all? |
| 23:26:56 | barrywardell | almost perect. I think it's just the transceiver that is different. But I'm not even sure about that |
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| 23:30:16 | pixelma | umm.. linuxstb__: is it wise to point the guy in the forums to the install instructions - he seems to have a 80GB Ipod... ? |
| 23:32:11 | pixelma | IIUC |
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| 23:32:59 | preglow | at least we'll find out if he's good at reading |
| 23:33:48 | Mikachu | maybe by the time he manages to install it, linusn will have nailed the fat driver |
| 23:34:51 | preglow | and here's me warning everyone not to let those two in the same room together |
| 23:35:26 | * | preglow kicks fixed point |
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