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| 00:10:30 | preglow | i see i can add more precision to the eq output |
| 00:10:34 | preglow | i wonder if i should bother |
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| 00:17:51 | whonicca | question guys, will rockbox render my ipod useless to my cars headunit and ipod adapter cdb-100 |
| 00:17:58 | toffe | we have a strange problem on the gigabeat concerning the hard drive on the F10 and the F20, both hd are from toshiba and exactly same model mk2006gal but one is 10gb and the other one 20Gb, did you see this ont ipod 10gb and the 20gb ? |
| 00:18:08 | Mikachu | whonicca: no, you can dualboot |
| 00:18:51 | whonicca | hmmm, interesting |
| 00:19:07 | whonicca | will tracks i put via rockbox show up under ipod firmeware? |
| 00:19:32 | Mikachu | you can play tracks in both if you continue to use itunes |
| 00:20:10 | whonicca | sucks, im on linunx |
| 00:20:14 | whonicca | thanks for ur help |
| 00:20:22 | Mikachu | whonicca: um |
| 00:20:29 | Mikachu | whonicca: how do you put tracks on then, gtkpod? that'll also work |
| 00:20:40 | whonicca | been trying gtkpod |
| 00:20:55 | whonicca | cant really get amarok working like i want it to, so yeah gtkpod |
| 00:21:17 | Mikachu | what i meant was that anything that plays in the ipod firmware will play in rockbox, except drm music |
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| 00:21:41 | whonicca | i have no drm =) |
| 00:21:48 | whonicca | and is that vise versa? |
| 00:22:30 | whonicca | nevermind u answered that a couple lines ago |
| 00:22:46 | Mikachu | no, rockbox supports more formats than ipods, so you can have music that only plays in rockbox |
| 00:22:56 | Mikachu | this is all detailed on the web site |
| 00:23:19 | whonicca | heh i only use mp3 format |
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| 00:26:17 | blackness | is there any way to get the output settings to display the screen through the ipod video cables |
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| 00:40:13 | Winkleberry | may i ask if formatting my iriver h140 will destroy the original firmware and rockbox? |
| 00:40:30 | Mikachu | you may |
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| 00:40:46 | Winkleberry | and might you answer? |
| 00:41:17 | Mikachu | i don't know, but it sounds likely |
| 00:41:37 | Winkleberry | oh dear i don't know what to do then |
| 00:42:34 | Winkleberry | my iriver shows a D symbol (with a line through it) with 0 folders and 0 files |
| 00:42:55 | Winkleberry | although on the pc it contains music |
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| 00:44:00 | Winkleberry | i thought formatting might help but I am afraid that if everything gets wiped the player will be dead. |
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| 00:45:18 | shodan- | hmm , this is more of a ipod question than a rockbox question but.. is it possible with the stock ipod firmware, that when you put the ipod in it's dock, prevent it to go into diskmode (and stopping the music) just like with rockbox when you put it in the dock you press "menu" and it doesn't go into diskmode ? |
| 00:46:37 | Winkleberry | thanks anyway mikachu bye bye |
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| 00:48:31 | Soap | blackness: no |
| 00:48:44 | Soap | not even Apple's firmware can do that. |
| 00:51:22 | Mikachu | what do you mean "not even", you can in rockbox? |
| 00:51:50 | Mikachu | and i think apple's firmware only goes into disk mode if the OS on the computer requests it (which both windows and linux does afaik) |
| 00:54:12 | Soap | Mikachu: I was replying to blackness, not shodan- |
| 00:54:16 | Mikachu | ah |
| 00:54:23 | Mikachu | i'm sorry |
| 00:54:35 | Soap | such a bad bad boy! ;) |
| 00:58:47 | shodan- | Mikachu, my dock recharge via usb, is there a way I can tell the os (windows) not to request the ipod to go into diskmode then ? or do like rockbox does and press some key or key combo and it doesn't go into diskmode ? |
| 00:59:10 | Mikachu | don't think so, but if you do "safe eject" after, you can play music while it's still connected |
| 00:59:15 | Mikachu | it'll stop when you first insert it though |
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| 01:00:03 | Mikachu | i meant eject or safe removal |
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| 01:02:21 | shodan- | hmm, would have been great, it's annoying when I get home I'm listening to something, I put it in the dock, I get like 1 second of audio in my sound system, then it cuts and I have to start over :\ |
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| 01:47:54 | linuxstb__ | barrywardell: Nice to see some usb commits, even if they don't do anything... |
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| 01:52:07 | barrywardell | linuxstb: yeah, it's a start anyway. I've worked my way through a good bit of the code so far and could probably add some more stuff |
| 01:52:26 | barrywardell | you might also want to try playing around with dr_controller_stop() |
| 01:52:43 | barrywardell | it stops the controller after you do dr_controller_run() |
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| 01:56:05 | linuxstb | Yes, I tried that a week or so ago. Did you say you had problems with your Mac after dr_controller_setup/run ? |
| 01:57:49 | barrywardell | i remember having problems with the usb ports dieing until I rebooted |
| 01:57:59 | barrywardell | I've been without my mac for a couple of weeks though |
| 01:58:59 | barrywardell | linuxstb: have you had any problems with that? |
| 01:59:01 | linuxstb | Yes, the current USB detection seems to do that on my Mac as well. I tried adding a call to dr_controller_stop(), and that fixed the problem, but the detection also stopped working correctly... I never managed to work it out, but need to go back to it. |
| 01:59:39 | barrywardell | dr_controller_setup() only needs to be called once, on usb initialization |
| 01:59:55 | barrywardell | ..._run() gets called on usb connect |
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| 02:00:03 | barrywardell | and ..._stop() on disconnect |
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| 02:03:06 | linuxstb | So we could move dr_controller_setup() out of the usb detect function? |
| 02:04:59 | barrywardell | yeah, I think so. I haven't done so yet, but I think it could be moved into usb_init_device() |
| 02:05:14 | linuxstb | OK, I'll try that. |
| 02:05:31 | linuxstb | And call dr_controller_stop() when we detect a disconnect? |
| 02:06:04 | barrywardell | yes, I think so |
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| 02:11:06 | linuxstb | OK, first test passed, USB connection to Linux detected successfully... |
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| 02:17:38 | l0de | Hail sirs |
| 02:18:06 | l0de | any news on the 80gb 5g? I heard there was some progress but there isn't much info in the thread |
| 02:18:50 | Mikachu | not done yet |
| 02:19:07 | dan_a | l0de: The problem has been found, and now it's just a matter of solving it without breaking any other machines |
| 02:20:11 | Thundercloud | What exactly IS the problem anyway? |
| 02:20:22 | l0de | That's what I wanted to know |
| 02:20:32 | l0de | Well I'm glad to hear there's some progress |
| 02:21:43 | dan_a | The problem is something to do with the logical sector sizes on the 5.5G's 80Gb hard drive not matching the physical sectors, but I don't understand it properly |
| 02:23:22 | linuxstb | barrywardell: That seems to have made my Mac happy... |
| 02:23:30 | Landus | Out of curiosity, does anyone know if the Rockbox devs are going to submit Rockbox as a Summer of Code mentor? |
| 02:23:48 | barrywardell | linuxstb: great :) |
| 02:24:12 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I connected and disconnected several times, and my Mac kept detecting it. I then installed a SVN build, and the first connect failed - it rebooted into disk mode and then immediately said "OK to disconnect". |
| 02:25:13 | linuxstb | Although I'm a little confused, because I can't see how the dr_controller_stop() function is being called... I forgot that we reboot to disk mode, so Rockbox will never detect a disconnect from USB. |
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| 02:25:53 | linuxstb | So unless I'm missing something, it seems the multiple calls to setup() were the problem. |
| 02:26:04 | barrywardell | hmmm |
| 02:26:05 | linuxstb | Landus: Yes, there's been talk of it. |
| 02:26:34 | linuxstb | Landus: I think we need ideas for projects, and people to actually act as mentors... |
| 02:28:13 | Mikachu | fixing the playback engine :) |
| 02:28:17 | linuxstb | Thundercloud: IIUC, the problem is that the 80GB drive only allows reads (and presumably writes) of 2 sectors at a time, starting with an even-numbered sector. All other drives allow single sector reads/writes. |
| 02:28:43 | Thundercloud | linuxstb: ... that sounds pretty stupid. |
| 02:28:47 | barrywardell | linuxstb: I think it's hard to make much sense of the USB behaviour until we have a more complete driver |
| 02:29:03 | linuxstb | Thundercloud: That was everyone's general reaction when it was discovered. |
| 02:29:19 | Thundercloud | Wouldn't that like, severely impair function? |
| 02:29:34 | barrywardell | but if it works, then great |
| 02:30:01 | linuxstb | barrywardell: :) That's my general reaction with the ipods... |
| 02:30:30 | Thundercloud | What I both like and hate about the ipods is the amount of marketing and hype surrounding them. |
| 02:30:38 | Thundercloud | Samsung or any other company would be like: |
| 02:30:45 | Thundercloud | Sleek... sensual... powerful... Z5 |
| 02:30:55 | Thundercloud | With lots of mysterious blackouts and fade-ins |
| 02:31:00 | Thundercloud | Apple just goes |
| 02:31:03 | Thundercloud | EYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY |
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| 02:32:35 | Shaid | "Buy an iPod. All your friends will hate you and you'll be uncool and never get laid, ever, if you don't!" |
| 02:34:21 | linuxstb | barrywardell: What are your plans for USB? Do you have much time to work on it? |
| 02:35:07 | Landus | linuxstb: Pick out small, but useful projects, like battery optimizations, or a specific catergory of bugs. |
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| 02:36:36 | dan_a | linuxstb: If I can shave a few bytes from the Archos builds, but have to make the code a bit uglier to do it, should I go for it? |
| 02:37:34 | barrywardell | linuxstb: I have spent quite a bit of time looking through it |
| 02:37:37 | barrywardell | and done some work |
| 02:38:37 | linuxstb | dan_a: I guess it depends how ugly, and how many bytes... |
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| 02:39:08 | barrywardell | I was looking at this usb stackhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/lpcusb |
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| 02:41:01 | dan_a | linuxstb: I don't know how many bytes yet. Basically it's using a #define to define something (the processor number) either as a variable or as a literal number depending on whether it is being compiled for a dual core target or not. |
| 02:41:31 | dan_a | (I've had a rethink of the COP API) |
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| 02:47:59 | linuxstb | dan_a: Have you seen how the multi-volume support works (the IF_MV() macro) ? Maybe something like that could be used? |
| 02:51:23 | barrywardell | linuxstb: do you know anything about the linux usb stack? If we could use that in Rockbox, then using the existing driver should be quite easy |
| 02:51:54 | linuxstb | No, nothing at all. |
| 02:51:55 | dan_a | linuxstb: I'm using that in one place (I'm getting rid of create_thread_on_core, and changing create_thread() to take the core as an argument when we're compiled for dual core |
| 02:52:32 | linuxstb | dan_a: That makes sense. |
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| 02:53:41 | linuxstb | dan_a: If you post a new patch, could you include the API change in mpegplayer and the plugin API? |
| 02:54:40 | dan_a | linuxstb: I will do. I probably won't get it done tonight - I only sat down to start it at 1:30 |
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| 03:29:11 | linuxstb | dan_a: I've just been reading the email of open patches in flyspray, and noticed your COP patch is 200 days old today :) |
| 03:29:49 | dan_a | It's grown up a bit in that time |
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| 03:56:59 | Soap | dan_a: thank you for the addition to IpodAccessories. |
| 03:58:57 | dan_a | Soap: No problem. Having the Bose might inspire me to try reverse engineering the protocol. Once dual core support is in SVN, of course! |
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| 03:59:52 | linuxstb | Any ideas about the 4g bootloader problem? |
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| 04:01:10 | dan_a | None yet. I don't understand why it's hitting the greyscales and not the colours. |
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| 04:41:34 | Atoma | hey |
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| 04:42:18 | atoma12 | little question I had, is there any existing (or in development) nes emulators for rockbox& |
| 04:42:20 | atoma12 | ?* |
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| 04:56:21 | Soap | existing? no. |
| 04:56:36 | atoma12 | ok, and in development? |
| 04:57:14 | Soap | I just looked in the patch tracker and didn't see one. |
| 04:57:22 | atoma12 | I see.. |
| 04:57:50 | atoma12 | I must look if there's any updates to rockboy |
| 04:59:02 | atoma12 | nope.. |
| 04:59:41 | atoma12 | well.. 2 processors? each running at 80mhz? |
| 04:59:48 | atoma12 | wouldn't a nes emulator be possible? |
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| 05:00:05 | atoma12 | I mean I ran nes games perfectly on my old p1 running at 100mhz |
| 05:00:15 | atoma12 | with 16mb of ram |
| 05:00:40 | atoma12 | (i know I know, not the same hardware) |
| 05:04:04 | Llorean | Not even remotely. |
| 05:04:21 | Llorean | Really, it's hard to predict what will be possible. |
| 05:04:27 | atoma12 | I see |
| 05:04:31 | Llorean | In essence, someone would have to try it, spend time optimizing it, and see what happens. |
| 05:04:56 | atoma12 | well first they should try optimising rockboy |
| 05:05:06 | Llorean | 'They' who? |
| 05:05:22 | Llorean | If someone made an NES emulator, it'd be some random person who knew how, and wanted to. |
| 05:05:31 | atoma12 | ... everyone :P else than me.. i'm no programmer |
| 05:06:11 | atoma12 | because I really want a nes emulator for rockbox... ipodlinux is too much trouble |
| 05:06:23 | atoma12 | lol |
| 05:06:39 | atoma12 | I'll try to learn c++ and try to optimize rockboy :P |
| 05:07:03 | atoma12 | and then distribute it to everyone, like any respectable open-source programmer |
| 05:08:05 | atoma12 | .. anyways |
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| 05:16:28 | Soap | If I was dictator of the world, all registered on the wiki would be forced to fill out IrcNicks |
| 05:17:19 | Soap | (IRC and Forum and Filespray nicks would also be required fields to fill in on the user's wiki page as well) |
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| 05:56:56 | Llorean | This... doesn't look right: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/contact_info?url=www.rockbox.org |
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| 06:07:09 | rotator | Llorean: why not? |
| 06:07:44 | Llorean | rotator: Because as far as I'm aware, Jeff has nothing to do with rockbox.org outside of hosting the forums? |
| 06:07:54 | rotator | IIRC, Jeff registered the domain then gave it to us |
| 06:08:15 | Llorean | But why would that make him the current contact info? |
| 06:08:33 | rotator | dunno, i guess it was never changed since |
| 06:08:39 | Llorean | Ah, okay. |
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| 06:08:56 | rotator | maybe it has to wait until the domain get renewed? |
| 06:09:12 | rotator | i don't know how these things work very well |
| 06:10:16 | Llorean | rotator: As far as I can tell, all you have to do there is type in the new info, and then give them an email address @rockbox.org to reply to to verify you actually control it. |
| 06:11:01 | rotator | then that sounds like something to take up with the swedes :p |
| 06:11:08 | Llorean | Indeed |
| 06:11:47 | Llorean | Speaking of taking things up to the swedes, I was gonna suggest to them that we maybe set up a press@rockbox.org email address so maybe we can have a contact point for people writing articles. |
| 06:12:21 | rotator | sounds like a good idea, then maybe articles could be corrected *before* they are published |
| 06:12:46 | rotator | i know you've sent your share of corrections :p |
| 06:13:37 | Llorean | I _think_ a letter from me is showing up in next month's Linux Magazine. Well, this month's, except it doesn't seem to be in any stores near me. |
| 06:14:14 | Llorean | Or maybe next months, I guess. |
| 06:14:26 | rotator | yeah, that article was fun |
| 06:14:37 | rotator | most of it was installation instructions which are now outdated |
| 06:14:41 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 06:15:00 | Llorean | I understand outdated instructions, especially since the article was actually older, and translated from the German edition of their magazine. |
| 06:15:09 | rotator | ah, okay |
| 06:15:32 | Llorean | But the warning about how Rockbox removes part of the Apple firmware, and the bit about it flashing the ROM on the iPod, and various other things like that, which are both very untrue and I think somewhat dangerously misleading were an irritation. |
| 06:15:59 | rotator | yeah definitely |
| 06:16:22 | rotator | it also irks me how all these articles are just about the ipod |
| 06:16:41 | rotator | which is probably the least well functioning of all the supported ports |
| 06:16:42 | Llorean | Or at least mainly concentrate on it, yes. |
| 06:16:58 | Llorean | It makes Rockbox look a lot less complete than it is. |
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| 06:17:29 | rotator | but the ipod is the most popular player, so what can you do? *sigh*... |
| 06:17:34 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 06:18:12 | Llorean | I also think we should set some 'goals' for 3.0 sometime soon. Rather than starting a freeze, we should set some targets for 3.0, and 'conditions' that we want to meet before starting a freeze. |
| 06:18:38 | Llorean | That way even as we go about normal business, there's specific details hanging over everyone's head saying "Hey, these still need to get done if we ever want to have a 3.0 release" |
| 06:19:51 | rotator | i seem to recall some draft of 3.0 release goals on the wiki sometime last year |
| 06:19:56 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 06:19:57 | Llorean | During the freeze. |
| 06:20:14 | Llorean | It mostly boiled down to "Solve the H300 battery issue, and fix the playback engine, and get TagCache working" |
| 06:20:51 | Llorean | Basically, a feature freeze with its primary goals including "solve an unknown problem", "rewrite a core piece of code" and "add a new feature", all really things that shouldn't have happened during the freeze. |
| 06:21:01 | Llorean | They should've all been on a list of things to finish before we can enter the freeze. |
| 06:21:52 | rotator | it seems like a release for the h1xx and h3xx at the very least could be done relativly easily |
| 06:22:24 | rotator | i don't think there are any major show stopping bugs or lacking features left there |
| 06:22:33 | Llorean | Now that recording seems stable again. |
| 06:22:44 | Llorean | The only lacking features, I believe, are USBOTG for H300, and WMA for both. |
| 06:22:52 | Llorean | Both of which I think aren't release-critical in this case. |
| 06:23:02 | rotator | yeah |
| 06:23:04 | midgey | we still have some playback issues |
| 06:23:12 | Llorean | midgey: Yeah |
| 06:23:26 | midgey | glad to see the voice boosting bug was fixed |
| 06:23:32 | Llorean | midgey: That's kinda what I had in mind for being in the pre-freeze list |
| 06:23:50 | Llorean | Things like the problems relating to skipping and seeking near the beginning or end of a song. |
| 06:24:23 | Llorean | I don't really think a feature freeze should involve any 'major' bugs. |
| 06:24:28 | midgey | pressing stop on resume causes issues, as oes deleting files that exist in the playlist |
| 06:24:39 | Llorean | Since those tend to be the sorts of bugs that are hard to fix. |
| 06:24:42 | midgey | nor do i, i think we made a mistake last time |
| 06:24:58 | midgey | especially since most devs just waited it out |
| 06:25:06 | Llorean | That's why I'd really like to see a pre-freeze checklist get put together. Say now "We want to have a freeze, but we don't know when. This needs to be done first." |
| 06:25:09 | Llorean | Then it's hanging over everyone's heads. |
| 06:25:16 | Llorean | Maybe get a little self-conscious guilt working on our side. ;) |
| 06:26:01 | midgey | so Mayday could come a year late :) |
| 06:26:24 | Llorean | Hah. |
| 06:26:32 | Llorean | I'd like to see a 3.0 happen though. |
| 06:26:36 | Llorean | The big SWCODEC release. |
| 06:26:48 | Llorean | I think actually that with some polishing, Gigabeat's almost ready to be included in a release as well. |
| 06:26:58 | midgey | how's the x5 port? |
| 06:27:04 | Llorean | And if Dual Boot isn't deemed 'release critical' X5 could be as well |
| 06:27:11 | * | rotator ordered a gigabeat f40 recently :) |
| 06:27:24 | * | midgey is hoping to get one as a birthday gift |
| 06:27:42 | Llorean | The person who was working on managed a hack to get the X5 dual booting and gave up on trying for a 'proper' solution (one that didn't involve bits of retail code that might change with firmware updates) |
| 06:28:05 | midgey | was that eli? |
| 06:28:10 | Llorean | Raenye I think. |
| 06:28:23 | Llorean | I'm not wholly sure any more, it happened a decent amount of time ago. |
| 06:28:39 | midgey | that sounds right |
| 06:30:43 | Llorean | But I believe that dual boot is the only area in which X5 is behind H300. I think. |
| 06:33:04 | Llorean | And I think the Gigabeat needs to have its LCD Power Off function fixed, and the code for its Button LEDs fixed, and I think it's all working as intended. |
| 06:34:53 | midgey | i know boosting was disabled since it was causing worse battery life, is it possible that the implemented method was wrong? |
| 06:35:00 | scorche | isnt there some work on the cross that needs to be done still? |
| 06:35:09 | Llorean | scorche: The cross really works fine. |
| 06:35:09 | midgey | it seems strange to me that scaling could hurt battery |
| 06:35:39 | Llorean | midgey: Dunno, honestly. But the battery life is comparable to the retail firmware already I believe (I don't have the retail firmware installed to test with, so I only speak from hear-say) |
| 06:36:13 | scorche | Llorean: something about sensitivity? |
| 06:36:17 | midgey | aren't there touch features for the cross that aren't enabled |
| 06:36:23 | Llorean | scorche: A better method for the cross could be implemented, but I personally can come up with no complaints on the current one. |
| 06:36:46 | Llorean | midgey: The retail firmware has gesture-like actions (moving your finger from left, across the center, to right) that perform specific tasks. |
| 06:37:25 | Llorean | scorche: Right now, the cross works pretty much like a four-way directional pad. You press any of the four directions, like a button, and it does things. Plus the center is a 5th button. Sensitivity is about where I'd want it, personally |
| 06:37:43 | Llorean | scorche: The improvement would be that it can be made pressure sensitive. Press harder on down, it scrolls faster, for example. |
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| 09:57:15 | amiconn | Slasheri: 153 red size points for you |
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| 10:24:14 | Slasheri | amiconn: yeah, no doubt that would increase the code size |
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| 10:28:39 | amiconn | I'm looking for testers with arm targets (ipods, gigabeat, sansa, h10). |
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| 10:29:19 | hcs | ooh, what's up |
| 10:29:54 | desowin | amiconn: testing what ? |
| 10:29:59 | amiconn | My patch gets rid of function sections, reducing binary sizes of core, plugins and codecs |
| 10:30:36 | amiconn | I want to know whether it breaks any currently working functionality (it shouldn't) and whether there are no build errors |
| 10:30:49 | amiconn | I tested building myself for ipod mini, video, gigabeat, and e200 |
| 10:31:13 | amiconn | amiconn.dyndns.org/arm-sections.diff">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/arm-sections.diff |
| 10:31:28 | amiconn | Reconfiguration is required |
| 10:31:47 | amiconn | (the toplevel Makefile needs a change) |
| 10:32:03 | hcs | ok, I'll check it out |
| 10:32:12 | desowin | I'll test it on mini |
| 10:32:36 | amiconn | Mini g2 seems to work, that's what I have |
| 10:33:16 | hcs | I'll use it for my subsequent ipod buildings |
| 10:33:24 | amiconn | One special area to test would be the encoders, and the disk access on sansa |
| 10:36:29 | amiconn | Binary size will go down >10KB for the core |
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| 10:41:29 | midkay | wow, *someone's* out to get the highscore for the binary size table :) |
| 10:42:10 | pixelma | midkay: did you read the logs of yesterday? Re: chopper bugs? |
| 10:42:48 | midkay | i didn't read very much, let me have a look. |
| 10:43:36 | midkay | black-on-black text? |
| 10:44:26 | pixelma | yes - and the H1x0-Problems and the too long 'splash' on Archos screens. The other seems to be a different bug |
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| 10:47:05 | midkay | got the one about the splash... h1x0 problems? |
| 10:49:03 | pixelma | look at what BigBambi had to say |
| 10:49:51 | pixelma | starting at 15:19 |
| 10:51:45 | midkay | oh, alright. (i think these must have been existing problems, my color changes were only for color LCDs) but i'll try and do a quick fix. |
| 10:52:42 | amiconn | Strange character translation in linuxstb's commit msg... |
| 10:53:03 | desowin | outside ascii |
| 10:53:25 | pixelma | midkay: thought that was somehow related... but thanks for looking into it :) |
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| 10:54:35 | midkay | pixelma: no problem, it should be a pretty easy fix.. i found the code a little complicated though, tons of different color changes all over the place.. that's why i didn't bother trying to double-check grayscale stuff. :) i'll do a sim-test first. |
| 10:55:16 | amiconn | desowin: Yes, but that's the translation of one letter!? |
| 10:55:44 | desowin | unciode chars can take up to 4 bytes |
| 10:55:52 | amiconn | (and iirc cvs had no problem with extended chars) |
| 10:56:51 | amiconn | True, maybe linuxstb used utf-8 |
| 10:57:00 | amiconn | Then it would be 2 bytes |
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| 10:58:33 | pixelma | midkay: I guess the reason why it crashes on Archos (at least on my Ondio) when starting a new game is a bit more tricky... |
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| 10:58:56 | midkay | pixelma: ah, that's not good :) |
| 10:59:49 | pixelma | strange thing: it works in the sim although it's so fast that it's almost unplayable |
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| 11:00:19 | midkay | if i can reproduce that on my Recorder then i can have a poke around and see if there's an obvious fix.. (h1x0 problems reproducible here, so i'll fix that now.) |
| 11:00:53 | pixelma | nice :) |
| 11:04:34 | amiconn | Reproducable on recorder here |
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| 11:06:50 | Lear | Interesting... -fstrength-reduce causes the same kind of problems as does newer versions of GCC (on an H1x0)... |
| 11:12:45 | midkay | pixelma: alright, i fixed the color bug (game over/press select text, and invisible menu) as well as the string-too-long-for-recorder bug (using a splash now).. |
| 11:13:14 | amiconn | On X5 the choice of buttons in chopper is weird |
| 11:13:33 | amiconn | I'd expect Up would move the heli up, but instead it's Select... |
| 11:13:49 | midkay | h1x0 uses up *and* select, i guess i can do that on the x5 too.. |
| 11:14:02 | amiconn | Ah, yes |
| 11:14:12 | midkay | done. |
| 11:14:14 | midkay | anything else? |
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| 11:15:15 | amiconn | Hmm. The speed is very target dependent |
| 11:15:22 | pixelma | the Ondio button mapping is weird too |
| 11:15:33 | amiconn | On ipod mini it's much harder than on H300 |
| 11:15:45 | amiconn | Very fast (and the mini also suffers from invisible text) |
| 11:15:52 | midkay | pixelma: suggestions? |
| 11:16:04 | amiconn | I guess that applies to all greyscale targets |
| 11:16:20 | midkay | amiconn: invisible text should now be totally fixed (all gray targets, right). |
| 11:16:24 | pixelma | my suggestion: "up" (and/or "Mode") for action, "off" to quit |
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| 11:18:56 | midkay | pixelma: also done. |
| 11:19:38 | pixelma | thanks! :) |
| 11:20:50 | midkay | no problem, *commits* :) |
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| 11:34:27 | JdGordon | hey |
| 11:34:49 | midkay | oh, just a sec. |
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| 11:35:17 | midkay | k, never mind. :) |
| 11:35:23 | JdGordon | hehe ok :() |
| 11:35:27 | linuxstb | pixelma: Does Chopper still crash on the Ondio? |
| 11:35:30 | JdGordon | that was meant to be :) |
| 11:35:31 | midkay | [convert file view menu!] |
| 11:36:54 | JdGordon | hmm? i thought iv done that one |
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| 11:37:59 | pixelma | linuxstb: I tried your suggested change and it didn't help if that's what you mean. Haven't tried the new version but I think the commit doesn |
| 11:38:14 | midkay | JdGordon: it doesn't seem like you have.. |
| 11:38:45 | linuxstb | pixelma: Do you know if anyone (amiconn?) has tried it on other Archos targets? |
| 11:38:57 | Lear | Any opinions about adding the -fstrength-reduce optimization (at least on ColdFire)? |
| 11:38:59 | amiconn | Yes. Same crash on recorder |
| 11:39:16 | Lear | On ColdFire, the code generated for FOR_NB_SCREENS isn't exactly pretty... :) |
| 11:39:17 | linuxstb | OK, I'll find some batteries and try it on my recorder. |
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| 11:40:35 | pixelma | JdGordon: did you see my complaint about the "Rockbox info" and "Runtime" screens - I think it has to do with your icon changes |
| 11:40:49 | linuxstb | Speaking about Chopper, what do ipod users think of making a touch on the clickwheel act as fly, instead of pressing SELECT? |
| 11:41:07 | * | petur just bought an MK8007GAH for his h340 |
| 11:41:24 | Mikachu | linuxstb: i thought that too yesterday |
| 11:41:34 | JdGordon | pixelma: I did, and rpleied... unless i go out tonight ill fix it |
| 11:41:46 | linuxstb | Mikachu: I would have expected you to :) |
| 11:41:54 | Mikachu | now you know |
| 11:41:57 | amiconn | I wonder whether it's worth going through all the source and put ICODE_ATTR to all function definitions where the declarations have it, and put it on all declarations in .h files when it's an external function |
| 11:42:10 | amiconn | This would allow us to get rid of -mlong-call on arm |
| 11:42:43 | amiconn | ICODE_ATTR would then be __attribute__((section(".icode"),long_call)) , making only iram functions long call |
| 11:42:59 | pixelma | JdGordon: ok, saw the reply now :) |
| 11:43:13 | amiconn | But this can't be done without mentioned changes, because then gcc complains about conflicting types |
| 11:43:17 | Mikachu | you don't have to make a long call when returning from an iram function? |
| 11:43:46 | amiconn | ...seems gcc sees the __attributte__((long_call)) as part of the function type |
| 11:43:56 | amiconn | Mikachu: return != call |
| 11:44:13 | Mikachu | what i meant was if an iram function calls a non-iram function |
| 11:44:29 | amiconn | The only problem would arise if an iram function calls a non-iram function, but that wouldn't make sense |
| 11:44:40 | * | JdGordon 's lang strings are all fubar! |
| 11:44:44 | Mikachu | ah, that's true |
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| 11:45:13 | dan_a | amiconn: In that case, lets do it and if anything breaks then it was a bug in the first place |
| 11:45:23 | Mikachu | are long calls slower or just bigger code? |
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| 11:45:45 | Lear | In codecs it might... |
| 11:45:46 | dan_a | amiconn: Is there anything specific you want testing with your function-sections patch? |
| 11:45:49 | amiconn | dan_a: I don't expect anything to break, the question is whether it's worth it. Potentially hundreds of places to change |
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| 11:46:05 | amiconn | Mikachu: Bigger and slower |
| 11:46:39 | amiconn | dan_a: Especially e200 disk access, and recording aiff, wav, wavpack, mp3 |
| 11:46:41 | Lear | E.g., Tremor has a few cases where inline functions calls a (bigger) function once in a while. Don't know if that inlined function might end up in IRAM:ed code. |
| 11:46:45 | linuxstb | If it gets rid of unneeded long-calls, then I think it's worth it. |
| 11:47:14 | amiconn | (these are the files I had to change wrt 'static' qualifier without being able to test myself - mini g2 cannot record) |
| 11:47:54 | dan_a | Set up a Wiki page, and each volunteer can do a few changes - unless it can be sed scripted |
| 11:48:32 | amiconn | linuxstb: My arm-sections patch is a start. It gets rid of long calls to static functions (unstatic'ing a few ones where necessary), and also decreases binary size due to getting rid of all those tiny sections which need alignment |
| 11:48:49 | amiconn | Would be nice if you could test on your video (iirc the video can record?) |
| 11:48:55 | JdGordon | doing puts(0,y,str); seems to put the text not at x=0... is this probably becuase of the xmargin or offset setting for the screen? |
| 11:49:34 | amiconn | dan_a: Automatic editing impossible, I'd say |
| 11:49:37 | linuxstb | amiconn: Sure. dcc it to linuxstb_ What needs testing? |
| 11:50:11 | amiconn | [10:31:03] <amiconn> amiconn.dyndns.org/arm-sections.diff">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/arm-sections.diff |
| 11:50:22 | amiconn | [11:46:26] <amiconn> dan_a: Especially e200 disk access, and recording aiff, wav, wavpack, mp3 |
| 11:50:32 | midkay | JdGordon: i'd try setmargins to 0,0... but you will need to set them back after you leave (oldx=get_xmargin and oldy=get_ymargin, i think, and then setmargins(oldx,oldy) when you leave). |
| 11:50:35 | amiconn | The latter is true for all arm targets which can record |
| 11:51:03 | midkay | well good luck with that. i'm going to bed.. back in a number of hours :) |
| 11:51:17 | hcs | amiconn: no problem with flac or spc decoding or wiki vieweing |
| 11:51:24 | JdGordon | thanks midkay |
| 11:51:47 | hcs | amiconn: though I know that's not what you need tested... |
| 11:51:57 | JdGordon | the list sets the margin correctly, so i dont need to reset them :) |
| 11:52:09 | midkay | np... hey, check screens.c's function for the quickscreen if you get stuck, it has to set and re-set margins itself. |
| 11:52:16 | midkay | oh, nice, alright :) |
| 11:52:29 | * | midkay is off, night. |
| 11:52:33 | JdGordon | night |
| 11:54:25 | amiconn | hcs: It's also good to know that general behaviour seems ok |
| 11:54:28 | JdGordon | pixelma: all fixed :) |
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| 11:54:43 | amiconn | linuxstb: Btw, you need to reconfigure in order to get the desired effect |
| 11:56:32 | pixelma | JdGordon: sounds good :) |
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| 11:57:56 | dan_a | amiconn: Disk access works on the Sansa - I'm just adding the test_disk plugin to make sure transfer times haven't changed |
| 11:58:28 | JdGordon | doh! that commit is going to break the player :p |
| 11:59:14 | pixelma | will you ever learn :P |
| 11:59:36 | JdGordon | neva :D |
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| 12:01:14 | JdGordon | Bagder: another idea for the binary deltas... could we have a delta for the past 2 weeks of commits (or less..)? |
| 12:04:13 | pixelma | JdGordon: who's the payer? ;) |
| 12:04:51 | JdGordon | ? did i typo in the commit message? |
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| 12:05:04 | pixelma | yep |
| 12:05:15 | * | JdGordon blames it on the 40C temp today and the air-con dieing |
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| 12:08:26 | Lear | You should move here, only 6C here. :) |
| 12:08:50 | JdGordon | na, way to cold |
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| 12:09:56 | JdGordon | anyone want to test the first lot of display menu conversion? |
| 12:10:08 | crwl | it's very hot here considering the time of the year, over 1 C... |
| 12:10:23 | JdGordon | haha.. oh noes! heat wave! |
| 12:11:01 | pixelma | JdGordon: I'd like to test |
| 12:12:11 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: I've just tried recording with all four encoders with your arm-sections.diff (on my 5g) and they all worked fine. |
| 12:12:42 | amiconn | goodie :) |
| 12:12:52 | * | amiconn wants to commit that stuff |
| 12:13:10 | * | amiconn wants a green high score in the size table ;) |
| 12:13:29 | dan_a | amiconn: Sansa disk access is fine |
| 12:13:37 | amiconn | OK |
| 12:14:17 | Slasheri | JdGordon: +1C here and not cold at all :) |
| 12:14:59 | Slasheri | ah, crwl was faster ;) |
| 12:15:05 | JdGordon | pixelma: jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/display_menu.patch">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/display_menu.patch |
| 12:16:19 | JdGordon | we should get a svn highscore page going in the wiki for both tables :) |
| 12:17:06 | pixelma | hmm... 2 hunks failed |
| 12:18:01 | JdGordon | which? probably no big deal |
| 12:18:19 | pixelma | apps/menus/settings_menu.c at 214; apps/menus/main_menu.c at 95 |
| 12:19:00 | pixelma | 241 I mean |
| 12:20:16 | JdGordon | umm... I think you can ignore them |
| 12:20:45 | JdGordon | unless they stop the compile |
| 12:21:14 | JdGordon | they didnt come us as conflict when i did a svn up.. so they should be ok |
| 12:21:41 | Mikachu | you probably already committed them :) |
| 12:22:18 | JdGordon | then they shouldnt have come up as fails for the patch? no? |
| 12:22:32 | Mikachu | well, patch will say the hunk is reverted |
| 12:22:34 | JdGordon | and I dont tihnk so... working from 2 different trees here |
| 12:22:50 | Mikachu | i recognize the one in settings_menu, it's the sleep timer icon thing |
| 12:23:11 | amiconn | Bagder: www.rockbox.org seems to be down |
| 12:23:22 | Mikachu | it works here |
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| 12:24:25 | JdGordon | bah, stupid gaim crashed |
| 12:24:30 | amiconn | Hmm, looks like a momentary glitch |
| 12:24:56 | amiconn | build.rockbox.org looked really strange. No images and no css |
| 12:24:58 | dan_a | amiconn: MP3 recording is OK on the 4G greyscale - do you need the others testing since linuxstb has already done them on the video? |
| 12:25:15 | amiconn | No. If it works on one, it should work for all |
| 12:25:52 | amiconn | It's just that I wanted to make sure the unstatic'ing didn't break the encoders somehow |
| 12:26:08 | pixelma | reverted the patch, did a "svn up" again and patched again, now getting only the second fail (though I did the up before the first try too)... oh well |
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| 12:26:52 | amiconn | Sometimes there are strange effects one wouldn't expect. E.g. why does an rockbox mini2g binary crash with stkov main when compiled with -O2 ? |
| 12:27:39 | amiconn | Hah, nice green values in the size table :) |
| 12:28:29 | JdGordon | 15k! |
| 12:28:33 | amiconn | yup |
| 12:28:54 | Mikachu | that's a lot of function calls |
| 12:28:54 | JdGordon | what did they do to rombox? or nothing? |
| 12:29:06 | amiconn | Nothing. This is arm only |
| 12:29:06 | Lear | amiconn: Maybe less keen on cleaning up stack used for function calls (and batch them up in one big "restore")? |
| 12:29:56 | * | JdGordon thinks someone should tell amiconn we only really care about bin size on the arcos targets.... :D |
| 12:30:36 | amiconn | Nah, this commit doesn't only improve binary size. It also makes things go (a bit) faster |
| 12:30:50 | preglow | ooooh, nice |
| 12:30:58 | dan_a | JdGordon: Yeah, lets see if we can get the core size on ARM all the way up to 32Mb! |
| 12:30:58 | amiconn | Hmm, and it should even allow the profiling parser to work for arm |
| 12:31:05 | amiconn | (no function sections anymore) |
| 12:31:24 | Mikachu | amiconn: how much do you think no -mlong-calls would save? |
| 12:31:26 | pixelma | JdGordon: don't know if it's important but I got a warning "settings_menu.c:682: warning: 'lcd_settings_menu' defined but not used". Maybe this is because of the failed hunk? |
| 12:31:27 | amiconn | dan_a: The iFP is also arm - and it only has 1MB RAM (!) |
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| 12:32:06 | amiconn | ..where core, plugins, codecs and the buffer have to fit |
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| 12:32:37 | dan_a | That's... a challenge! |
| 12:33:10 | amiconn | Mikachu: Not sure, maybe another 10KB |
| 12:33:21 | JdGordon | pixelma: its because im not finished yet.... |
| 12:33:23 | preglow | i think it'd save even more |
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| 12:33:41 | Mikachu | would it compile if you just removed it? just to see how much it saves |
| 12:33:54 | amiconn | dan_a: tomal took that challenge, and iiuc he already managed to get some codecs running |
| 12:33:58 | pixelma | JdGordon: ok, I guess I can ignore it then |
| 12:34:06 | amiconn | Codecs are limited to 128KB and plugins to 64KB on iFP |
| 12:34:20 | * | JdGordon is anoyed, he could have ot a ifp7... for $37 but didnt |
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| 12:34:40 | amiconn | Mikachu: It doesn't compile, or rather, it doesn't link |
| 12:35:33 | amiconn | Hmm, one could get an upper limit estimation for the size decrease when compiling with ICODE_ATTR being empty, i.e. no functions going into iram |
| 12:38:29 | preglow | i think linuxstb did that a while ago, and i'm pretty sure the saving were more than 25kb combined |
| 12:42:33 | Shaid | iFP? |
| 12:42:52 | Shaid | looks on the wiki for an abbreviations page |
| 12:42:59 | JdGordon | iriver flash player |
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| 12:43:54 | preglow | probably our currently most limited platform |
| 12:43:59 | preglow | that is, swcodec platform |
| 12:45:32 | * | amiconn tests |
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| 12:47:34 | pixelma | JdGordon: mmm, the LCD settings submenu is empty but I guess that is also because it isn't done yet... |
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| 12:48:41 | JdGordon | pixelma: yes, and peak meter... but everything else should work |
| 12:51:15 | pixelma | the "show icons" changes aren't behaving right - how can I say - they are applied only when I return to the display settings menu |
| 12:51:58 | JdGordon | yeah, I know... not 100% sure how to fix that |
| 12:52:27 | JdGordon | I might have to put a special case check for that one |
| 12:53:13 | amiconn | wow |
| 12:53:41 | amiconn | preglow: -50720 bytes for ipod video |
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| 12:54:17 | dan_a | I'd say that's worth doing then! |
| 12:54:28 | JdGordon | are the units in the set_int screen supposed to be translatable? |
| 12:54:44 | pixelma | JdGordon: I'll test further during the day |
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| 12:55:07 | JdGordon | pixelma: cheers :) |
| 12:57:17 | amiconn | The real gain will be lower; this test build has all functions short_call (and some features wouldn't work correctly, obviously rolo) |
| 12:59:19 | amiconn | ...50KB just for long function calls... |
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| 13:01:48 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, that's what i thought i remembered |
| 13:02:01 | preglow | amiconn: arm code isn't so notorisly uncompact after all |
| 13:02:44 | dan_a | I'd still like to do some work on getting some of the arm code to compile as thumb code |
| 13:03:28 | preglow | well, idealistically, all code apart from performance sensitive stuff should be thumb |
| 13:03:31 | preglow | that's how it's meant to be used |
| 13:04:31 | preglow | at least everything but the dsp code, that needs smull/smlal here and there |
| 13:04:41 | preglow | i don't really think it'll matter much for us |
| 13:05:18 | preglow | and i think we can expect plenty of resistance from gcc in the matter |
| 13:05:57 | dan_a | I've found trying to interwork thumb and non thumb to be painful with GCC |
| 13:07:01 | amiconn | preglow: For sure. |
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| 13:08:43 | JdGordon | as someone done a naughty commit to english.lang recently? my langs are all wierd |
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| 13:10:27 | JdGordon | .. it would also help if i add the correct menu item :p |
| 13:11:22 | jba | helloo |
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| 13:13:46 | Lear | Hm.. USB charging string was incorrectly added, but that was a few weeks ago. |
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| 13:15:49 | preglow | i've tried doing thumb builds myself, and gave up quickly |
| 13:15:55 | preglow | even after writing some thumb code |
| 13:16:01 | preglow | but gcc was just plain unreasonable |
| 13:19:42 | dan_a | Yay! I've got a way to improve the dual-core API which saves nearly 100 bytes on the Archos Player! |
| 13:22:56 | Shaid | what's the thumb? |
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| 13:24:38 | dan_a | Shaid: It's an instruction set for ARM processors (like in the iPod.) It can make smaller, though possibly slower, code |
| 13:28:08 | Shaid | oh, right. |
| 13:29:48 | dan_a | Smaller code means that there's more memory available to cache the disk contents, which means the hard drive doesn't need to spin up as much, which means better battery life. It also means that less code needs to be transferred from memory, so it might be faster |
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| 13:47:18 | preglow | hrm |
| 13:48:07 | preglow | i've been able to boost the precision of the eq, and it comes at a cost of around 3 extra cycles per sample for arm, and around 5-6 for coldfire |
| 13:48:18 | preglow | worth commiting, or? |
| 13:49:53 | Lear | How much is that, relatively speaking? |
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| 13:55:36 | preglow | for the arm, almost nothing |
| 13:55:40 | preglow | for coldfire, a little bit |
| 13:56:11 | preglow | i think the coldfire one is a bit over 20 cycles in total now |
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| 13:59:00 | Lear | you mean, after the changes? |
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| 14:02:49 | preglow | yea |
| 14:03:45 | JdGordon | anyone know where HAS_REMOTE_BUTTON_HOLD is defined? |
| 14:04:55 | Lear | Hrm, fairly big increase then. And how much is the precision improved? |
| 14:05:16 | Lear | jdgordon: target config header? |
| 14:05:58 | JdGordon | its not in config-h300.h like i would expect.. but the code is putting up an error which is only possible if that is defined |
| 14:06:17 | JdGordon | missing initializer :'( |
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| 14:06:51 | preglow | Lear: depends |
| 14:08:46 | preglow | Lear: the lower bits aren't just thrown away as before, with shelving filters you'll get around six bits extra precision |
| 14:08:51 | preglow | with peaking, around three |
| 14:09:26 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: I expect it's in button-target.h for the h300. |
| 14:10:01 | Lear | Sounds like a big gain, unless it only affects 1 or 2 bits in the final result... :) |
| 14:10:02 | preglow | so you might not get full 24 bits of audio if we ever support that :) |
| 14:10:34 | JdGordon | linuxstb_: hmm... so I have to include button.h to get it? |
| 14:11:05 | JdGordon | ah :D cheers |
| 14:12:12 | Lear | preglow: you mean that for 16-bit output you don't gain anything at all? |
| 14:12:19 | preglow | Lear: i doubt it |
| 14:13:23 | Lear | Then I'm not sure if it's worth it... ;) |
| 14:13:57 | preglow | i'll do some tests one day, right now i doubt it's worth it myself |
| 14:14:59 | linuxstb_ | Could you include it with a #ifdef - in case we do ever support 24-bit output? |
| 14:15:19 | preglow | linuxstb_: yeah, eaasily |
| 14:15:23 | preglow | i was planning on that |
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| 14:41:02 | * | linuxstb_ shouldn't try to run an fmrecorder build on a v1 recorder... |
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| 14:43:14 | Mikachu | there is also #pragma no_long_calls, long_calls_off and long_calls |
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| 15:00:23 | preglow | Lear: not bad, not bad |
| 15:05:26 | w1ll14m | goodmorning all |
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| 15:06:24 | l33ch | hi all |
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| 15:06:58 | Corsac | hi there |
| 15:07:46 | w1ll14m | l33xh, corsac: hi |
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| 15:07:54 | w1ll14m | l33ch* |
| 15:07:57 | w1ll14m | ;) |
| 15:08:06 | l33ch | :D |
| 15:08:07 | w1ll14m | finaly it's weekend |
| 15:08:13 | preglow | apparently |
| 15:08:19 | w1ll14m | :) |
| 15:08:23 | l33ch | finaly after yesterday party |
| 15:08:26 | JdGordon | its been the weekend here for 25 hours already... damn wierdos! |
| 15:08:31 | preglow | how important is updating copyright years in files? |
| 15:08:45 | w1ll14m | JdGordon: lol :) |
| 15:08:47 | Corsac | i've got a question about rockbox playback. is there a way to have "by album" random ? |
| 15:08:51 | JdGordon | less important that fixing bugs.. :p |
| 15:08:59 | Corsac | something like a random by folder but using album tags ? |
| 15:09:07 | JdGordon | Corsac: not yet |
| 15:09:10 | Corsac | ok |
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| 15:09:21 | JdGordon | i want to do that using the database, but dont really know how to |
| 15:09:31 | Corsac | is it tricky ? |
| 15:10:05 | l33ch | Convert the Display menu to the new system. :) |
| 15:10:05 | JdGordon | not if you know how to use the database in code |
| 15:10:31 | l33ch | I can test it soon ;) |
| 15:10:48 | JdGordon | you can test it now.. all the builds are finished compiling |
| 15:11:03 | Corsac | me ? |
| 15:11:08 | l33ch | me ;) |
| 15:11:12 | Corsac | ha :) |
| 15:11:36 | preglow | what's up with the huge size differences among the ipod targets? |
| 15:12:07 | Bagder | images? |
| 15:12:23 | Slasheri | JdGordon: using the tagcache api should be very simple, at least doing basic searches and stuff like that |
| 15:12:29 | preglow | Bagder: good point |
| 15:12:29 | JdGordon | amiconn: check the build page... we have green again :D |
| 15:12:42 | preglow | oh, ondio fm |
| 15:12:44 | JdGordon | Slasheri: yeah, but its not documented at all is it? |
| 15:12:44 | preglow | it's back |
| 15:12:54 | Bagder | wow |
| 15:13:03 | * | preglow pats JdGordon on the back |
| 15:13:08 | Slasheri | JdGordon: not yet, but tagcache.h and tagtree.c should give some examples how to use it |
| 15:13:09 | * | JdGordon kicks everyones ass (except amiconns) in the delta table :D |
| 15:13:16 | amiconn | JdGordon: Yeah, one less red build, but rombox isn't back yet for this target |
| 15:13:37 | JdGordon | haha just say |
| 15:13:42 | JdGordon | still 2500 bytes over |
| 15:13:42 | Bagder | JdGordon: well, you managed to get a gapless green there, amiconn failed that ;-) |
| 15:13:42 | amiconn | It's just no longer so much oversize that the linker complains |
| 15:14:01 | preglow | it's the colour that coutns! |
| 15:14:09 | JdGordon | yeah :D |
| 15:14:20 | JdGordon | whatever coutns is :D |
| 15:14:21 | amiconn | Move in the right direction I'd say |
| 15:14:36 | preglow | Bagder: but yeah, about updating copyright years when updating files, important? |
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| 15:14:42 | preglow | i tend to forget it |
| 15:14:56 | amiconn | preglow: What size differences you're referring to? Between models? |
| 15:14:57 | Bagder | I think we should do that, but we basically never do it |
| 15:15:09 | preglow | amiconn: yes, and it's probably images |
| 15:15:33 | Bagder | (add-hook 'write-file-hooks 'copyright-update) |
| 15:15:36 | amiconn | Yes, for sure it's the images, plus some feature differences |
| 15:15:47 | amiconn | (e.g. recording) |
| 15:15:47 | Bagder | emacs just rocks ;-) |
| 15:16:13 | JdGordon | is there a reason the (c)'s are always to a person and not Rockbox ? |
| 15:16:21 | Bagder | JdGordon: several |
| 15:16:30 | Bagder | 1) Rockbox is not an org that _can_ have a copyright |
| 15:16:58 | Bagder | 2) we don't want to bother with signing over copyright from persons to something else |
| 15:17:04 | Bagder | imho |
| 15:17:09 | JdGordon | oh ok |
| 15:17:48 | JdGordon | but its silly having the copyright messages.. after a few months the origional coder doesnt really have much code that is untouched by someone else anyway |
| 15:18:14 | Bagder | well, the original coder still has the copyright if the work is his/hers and only modified |
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| 15:18:22 | Bagder | until of course some magic limit is crossed |
| 15:22:30 | Corsac | hmhm, sometimes themes are displayed kind of weirdly (like not aligned with the screen or something like that). but i'm using an experimental/patched build so maybe it's that :) |
| 15:27:15 | linuxstb | amiconn: Can you try chopper on your mini at some point? I'm wondering if that will also have problems. |
| 15:28:00 | amiconn | I already did, and it works |
| 15:28:17 | amiconn | It's just rather hard to play, because it's faaast |
| 15:28:43 | linuxstb | I think that's easily fixed - there's a "cycletime" constant, that we just need to make depend on LCD_WIDTH. |
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| 15:30:33 | preglow | haha |
| 15:30:41 | preglow | are people allergic to automatic frame rate limiting? |
| 15:30:42 | JdGordon | Bagder: whats the last column in the deltas table? average? |
| 15:30:47 | Bagder | yes |
| 15:30:49 | JdGordon | k |
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| 15:33:11 | JdGordon | woot,... 2420 on first go in chooper :) |
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| 15:36:36 | l33ch | i have scrore 1273 :-( |
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| 15:45:19 | Bagder | someone should wash Linus Torvald's mouth with soap |
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| 15:46:06 | Mikachu | s' |
| 15:46:11 | Mikachu | or s's? |
| 15:46:40 | Bagder | hm, s' I believe isn't it? |
| 15:46:56 | Bagder | tricky english |
| 15:47:19 | linuxstb | What's he said? |
| 15:47:44 | Bagder | I just think he's getting worse and worse, this time I read his recent gnome attack |
| 15:48:17 | Lear | He did answer with some code though. :) |
| 15:48:22 | Bagder | yes he did |
| 15:48:24 | linuxstb | URL? |
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| 15:48:57 | Bagder | Lear: I just think his language is unnecessary offensive |
| 15:49:14 | Bagder | linuxstb: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/02/16/1937237 |
| 15:49:37 | JdGordon | did he submit patches he knew full-well wouldnt be accepted just to "proove" how right he was about them? |
| 15:49:59 | Bagder | the latter |
| 15:50:10 | Bagder | I mean, it was to prove a point I think |
| 15:50:27 | JdGordon | the point being gnome thinks users are idiots? |
| 15:50:42 | Bagder | no, I think it was to show that the fix was wasy |
| 15:50:46 | Bagder | or something |
| 15:50:49 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 15:51:42 | Bagder | I'm not really raising my eyebrows because of the actual topic |
| 15:52:13 | JdGordon | im reading the artivle now |
| 15:53:36 | JdGordon | hehe kvetching :) someone watched the nanny :p |
| 15:54:10 | Corsac | would you recommend a them, btw ? |
| 15:54:10 | Corsac | +e |
| 15:55:13 | linuxstb | Anyone know what I09:CPUAdrEr means on the Archos? |
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| 16:05:11 | Juice^ | what is the big differences on the new menu system? |
| 16:06:41 | JdGordon | (depends who you ask), cleaner and simpler code |
| 16:06:52 | JdGordon | or horrible messy and unintelligable code |
| 16:06:57 | XavierGr | well, I have to agree with Linus Torvalds that GNOME is very limiting, but yeah I find his way of expressing it a bit too aggressive |
| 16:07:35 | Corsac | menu system in rockbox or in gnome ?¿ |
| 16:07:58 | JdGordon | Corsac: I was talking about rockbox.. dunno about Juice^ :p |
| 16:08:03 | Corsac | ok :p |
| 16:08:49 | Juice^ | JdGordon: yes, talking about rockbox.. is there any visual changes except for the new icons? (which is great) |
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| 16:09:40 | ``0_0 | hi is the 5g ipod 80gb avaliable? |
| 16:10:02 | dan_a | Bagder: IIRC, Linus Torvalds has written a management document which includes the advice that being controversial often gets very good results. |
| 16:11:15 | Corsac | "Sim" builds are for emulators ? |
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| 16:11:35 | JdGordon | Juice^: nope |
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| 16:11:53 | dan_a | Corsac: Simulators, not emulators (they look like the target, but don't emulate the hardware) |
| 16:12:10 | Corsac | ok |
| 16:12:16 | Juice^ | great for making wps and backdrops etc |
| 16:12:33 | Juice^ | to quickly test it |
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| 16:13:21 | Corsac | mpf, even with a fresh installed rockbox current build I have those weird themes not aligned |
| 16:14:01 | Shaid | My only device which rockbox has a practically dead screen, atleast you see something |
| 16:14:19 | Shaid | Actually, the speaking menus is the reason I installed rockbox originally. |
| 16:14:21 | Corsac | :) |
| 16:14:36 | linuxstb | Corsac: Which theme, and which version of Rockbox (an official or unofficial build)? |
| 16:14:51 | Corsac | i just installed http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-h300/rockbox.zip |
| 16:15:07 | w1ll14m | how is this possible, i can run my ipod 5g 30gb at 105 Mhz (for testing) and my ipod 5g 60Gb only max 90Mhz (also for testing) |
| 16:15:11 | Corsac | with theme Unicatcher, for instance |
| 16:15:23 | linuxstb | Corsac: Did you install the fonts zip file? |
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| 16:15:29 | Corsac | mhmh |
| 16:15:32 | Corsac | maybe not |
| 16:15:41 | Corsac | no, guess not, as I've purged my previous install |
| 16:15:45 | Corsac | thanks, i'll try that |
| 16:16:21 | linuxstb | w1ll14m: They're different devices... The 60GB possibly has less space inside for cooling, or a warmer hard disk, or a warmer battery, or .... |
| 16:16:48 | w1ll14m | linuxstb: i guess you are right |
| 16:17:02 | w1ll14m | but then, the ipod 5g 30GB is a lot smaller |
| 16:17:13 | w1ll14m | i ca't get it, but whatever :) |
| 16:17:16 | linuxstb | But has a smaller battery and smaller drive... |
| 16:17:25 | w1ll14m | linuxstb:that's true |
| 16:18:04 | Corsac | linuxstb: thanks, a lot better :) |
| 16:18:06 | linuxstb | Or maybe it's simply that the PP chip in your 60GB is lower quality than the one in your 30GB... |
| 16:18:20 | Corsac | linuxstb: would you recommend a theme (and maybe an experimental build if the theme needs some additional patches) ? |
| 16:18:29 | w1ll14m | linuxstb: why would they do that ? |
| 16:19:27 | linuxstb | Some batches will be higher quality than others IIUC - just how chip manufacturing works. We don't know at what speed the PP5021 is officially rated, which could just be 90MHz anyway. |
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| 16:23:43 | w1ll14m | linuxstb: i thought it was 80MHz damn, i would love to have a pp5022 in my ipod 5g :) woohoo |
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| 16:25:36 | linuxstb | You could probably sell it, buy a gigabeat, and still have money left... |
| 16:26:07 | w1ll14m | linuxstb: hmmmm ... sounds intresting ... |
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| 16:27:19 | w1ll14m | nice those menu icons!!!! |
| 16:30:09 | Corsac | i'm quite lost with the themes :) |
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| 16:32:20 | Soap | Corsac: are you still having text alignment issues? |
| 16:32:33 | Corsac | Soap: not with pure themes, it seems |
| 16:32:45 | Soap | "pure themes" means what? |
| 16:32:59 | Corsac | those shipped with standard builds |
| 16:33:26 | Soap | I strongly suspect you haven't downloaded the font package. |
| 16:34:05 | Corsac | i have |
| 16:34:12 | Soap | have you installed it? |
| 16:34:16 | Soap | ;) |
| 16:34:19 | * | Corsac shrugs |
| 16:34:20 | Corsac | :) |
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| 16:34:42 | Corsac | but i'm trying themes which I'm not sure need patchs or not :) |
| 16:34:54 | Corsac | Hipod CA for exemple, I guess it requires an album art patch or something like that :) |
| 16:34:57 | Soap | where are you getting your themes? |
| 16:35:24 | Soap | well, it should be relatively easy to determine from the screenshot if a theme needs the album art patch. |
| 16:35:26 | Corsac | hmhm, I downloaded a theme pack from mysticriver |
| 16:35:49 | Corsac | i'm currently looking for a good looking theme, that's all :) |
| 16:36:22 | Soap | then all bets are off because all the ones I've seen there assume you are running their latest "Super-Duper-Patch-AllButTheKitchenSink" builds. |
| 16:36:57 | Corsac | yeah :/ |
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| 16:37:14 | Corsac | http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=220x176x16 there |
| 16:39:10 | * | dan_a makes a recording with the codec thread running on the COP |
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| 16:40:08 | Corsac | Soap: that's why I asked for a nice looking theme :) |
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| 16:40:28 | Corsac | i'm not against experimental builds, but I don't really know about theme |
| 16:40:30 | Soap | All the one on that page /should/ work except FrostBoxAA |
| 16:40:30 | Corsac | them |
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| 16:43:22 | Shaid | that arctic desert one is nice |
| 16:47:46 | Corsac | yes |
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| 16:47:49 | Corsac | i just tried it |
| 16:47:56 | Corsac | but it selects a white font ?¿ |
| 16:48:00 | Corsac | not really readable |
| 16:48:04 | Corsac | and on the shot it's a black one |
| 16:48:08 | Corsac | i'm confused :) |
| 16:50:02 | Shaid | you're sure you installed the fonts? :P |
| 16:50:09 | Corsac | i have |
| 16:50:13 | Corsac | the correct font is selected |
| 16:50:17 | Corsac | but not the right color |
| 16:50:51 | Corsac | ha. |
| 16:50:51 | Shaid | odd |
| 16:50:57 | Corsac | with a reset colors it's better :) |
| 16:51:04 | Shaid | you don't have some kind of invert screen colour thing turned on? |
| 16:53:44 | linuxstb | dan_a: What was the recording bug with the COP patch? |
| 16:53:49 | jellisii | is vorbis fixed on 3g? I just tried it with IpodLinux and once it appears to work fine until it has to hit the drive directly. |
| 16:54:47 | linuxstb | jellisii: The only problem should be that it's slow - meaning pauses in playback due to buffer underruns, and I don't think any optimisations have been done recently. Or are you getting different problems? |
| 16:55:03 | dan_a | linuxstb: That was lostlogic's check that we really are running on the COP. Recording requires the codec thread to yeild. I don't understand why it didn't work, though |
| 16:55:31 | linuxstb | But it's working now? |
| 16:55:44 | dan_a | It is - at least, for recording to MP3 |
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| 16:56:00 | jellisii | linuxstb: Yes, that's the case. |
| 16:56:09 | linuxstb | When I tried the last COP patch, it froze immediately when I entered the recording screen. |
| 16:56:33 | dan_a | KoCOP 9 won't :D |
| 16:57:28 | linuxstb | I look forward to testing. Is it showing any signs of the hoped-for speedup? |
| 16:58:17 | dan_a | Not yet. I think that that needs the playback engine to be rewritten. |
| 16:58:30 | linuxstb | Doesn't everything need that? |
| 16:59:23 | dan_a | At the moment, they're at the UN saying "World peace? I'm pretty sure that will be easy once the Rockbox playback engine is rewritten" |
| 16:59:45 | l33ch | who is working on KoCOP 9 ? :D |
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| 17:00:15 | dan_a | l33ch: Me. Getting rid of some of the bugs which are keeping it out of SVN, too |
| 17:00:54 | jellisii | allright then: How about FLAC? I have the buffer underrun problem in IpodLinux too. |
| 17:01:38 | dan_a | jellisii: Flac should work fine (and any other lossless codec). I've had good results with Musepack too |
| 17:01:53 | jellisii | hmm.... must be my encoder then. |
| 17:03:04 | HardDisk_WP | see ya |
| 17:03:29 | l33ch | dan_a: I have H10 port and I used this sample .mpeg video file but there were bugs and audio was faster as video ;-) I used the version 8 patch :) |
| 17:04:31 | dan_a | l33ch: Audio being faster than video will be something in the MpegPlayer plugin. What bugs did you see that aren't already on the Flyspray thread? |
| 17:06:31 | l33ch | it were in decoding video ... there were fragments .. but as you mentioned it is maybe in this MpegPlayer plugin. |
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| 17:09:36 | linuxstb | "audio faster than video" will be caused by you trying to play a video which your player isn't able to decode in realtime. The benchmarks table in the PluginMpegplayer will tell you the kind of framerates you can expect. |
| 17:10:21 | l33ch | I go read them |
| 17:10:24 | l33ch | :P |
| 17:10:32 | linuxstb | Those are the average speeds, so if you want to avoid any frame skipping, you should encode at less than those speeds. Bitrate and encoder also affect the decoding speed. |
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| 17:13:05 | l33ch | linuxstb: for iriver H10 5/6GB 128x128 there is no value :-( |
| 17:13:30 | linuxstb | Then you need to test yourself... |
| 17:14:00 | l33ch | linuxstb: I know that you'll say that :) |
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| 17:15:15 | l33ch | linuxstb: I knew that you'll say that :P |
| 17:19:41 | Soap | l33ch: all those test results (supposedly) are with the Kernel on COP patch (for the ARM targets). |
| 17:19:56 | Soap | Please don't add numbers to the table which aren't on such a patched build. |
| 17:20:00 | Corsac | hmhm, rockbox only support fat32 filesystems ? |
| 17:20:05 | Soap | yes |
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| 17:25:00 | Asura | Can anyone help me with a song im looking for? |
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| 17:29:34 | dan_a | Hmm... music is playing even if the kernel hasn't been initialised on the COP. That's not very logical. |
| 17:29:40 | Soap | linuxstb: after two rounds of testing - six total full rundowns, 11h 15min stock build, 11h 30min COP, 11h 45min COP+64MB |
| 17:31:05 | Domonoky | linuxstb: i am looking at your comments for the rbUtil patch. (I dont know how to solve 1 and 5, but rest is fixed) |
| 17:31:46 | Domonoky | i think 1) wrong messagebox (error instead of info) is a wxwidget bug.. |
| 17:32:32 | jellisii | hmm..... lemme just grab the rockbox install and see if it's any better... apparently the overhead for ipodlinux is too much for the 3g |
| 17:33:12 | Asira9 | Can anyone help me with a ROCKsong im looking for |
| 17:33:39 | dan_a | Asira9: That's off topic for this channel, so no |
| 17:33:55 | Asira9 | whats a rockbox then? |
| 17:34:05 | dan_a | See www.rockbox.org |
| 17:34:11 | Asira9 | a software |
| 17:34:12 | Asira9 | ok |
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| 17:36:50 | l33ch | hehe :) |
| 17:37:46 | l33ch | linuxstb: Can you please tell me how to apply your patch ? |
| 17:38:14 | l33ch | i just did patch < kernel_on_cop_8.diff |
| 17:38:20 | l33ch | and it says |
| 17:38:22 | l33ch | can't find file to patch at input line 32 |
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| 17:38:40 | l33ch | Perhaps you should have used the -p or −−strip option? |
| 17:38:46 | l33ch | ;-) |
| 17:38:47 | dan_a | l33ch: Which directory are you in? |
| 17:38:53 | Domonoky | use patch -p0 < ... |
| 17:38:58 | Domonoky | or -p1 |
| 17:39:14 | l33ch | /root/rockbox |
| 17:40:23 | dan_a | I think patch -p0 < kernel_on_cop_8.diff should do it, then |
| 17:40:27 | l33ch | with -p0 it was working :) |
| 17:40:35 | l33ch | thx |
| 17:41:22 | l33ch | I go test on what fps is this MpegPlayer is good for me :) |
| 17:41:29 | Soap | yea, KoCOP8 needs a -p0 |
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| 17:44:58 | Ne-X-us | hi |
| 17:45:28 | l33ch | btw...stupid question COP == KoCOP8 ? or what is the difference ? |
| 17:46:01 | Soap | Kernel on COP is the task. They are up to patch #8. |
| 17:46:30 | dan_a | l33ch: COP is the Co-Processor (the iPods, h10 and Sansa have 2 processors) |
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| 17:51:01 | Ne-X-us | err... has anyone worked out whether its actually possible to get code running on the 2g nano? |
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| 17:52:17 | dan_a | Ne-X-us: Apple have managed it, but nobody else. We need to decrypt either the firmware or the bootloader so we can learn how to put our own software on, and how to control the hardware |
| 17:54:45 | Ne-X-us | yeah i have read quite a bit about it and I was thinking even if we do decrypt the firmware we won't necessarily be able to ENcrypt anything else - ie. apple may have the only encryption key if it uses public key encryption |
| 17:57:00 | linuxstb | Domonoky: Regarding bug 1), it looks like rbutil is using wxLogMessage and wxLogInfo - wouldn't it be better to use wxMessageDialog with the appropriate icon (error, information, etc) ? |
| 17:57:17 | Ne-X-us | does anyone know what encryption it uses? |
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| 17:58:32 | Domonoky | probably, is just need to read a bit about wxWidgets Log and Message facilites.. |
| 17:58:46 | Domonoky | -s |
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| 18:02:05 | Llorean | Ne-X-us: I don't think anyone's really put a lot of work into it, yet. Or at least, nobody's talked about it here. |
| 18:03:21 | preglow | perhaps slasheri's id3 fix has broken the info tag reading somehow? |
| 18:03:30 | preglow | anyone tried if mp3 gapless still works? |
| 18:03:41 | Soap | Llorean: any problem with me moving http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4973 (4 months old) to the trash? |
| 18:04:08 | Mikachu | preglow: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6668 |
| 18:04:22 | Nico_P | Soap: why do you want to trash it ? |
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| 18:04:41 | Soap | Nico_P: What good is an unsupported build from october 2006? |
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| 18:05:03 | Llorean | Soap: Go ahead. |
| 18:05:07 | Nico_P | ah sorry i thought the thread was about the acceleration patch |
| 18:05:13 | Nico_P | not the build |
| 18:05:30 | Llorean | Soap: In about a week (I'm going on a trip soon, when I return from that) I plan to go through every thread in the Unsupported Builds forum. |
| 18:05:45 | Soap | I've emailed / pm |
| 18:06:02 | preglow | Mikachu: that's what i'm talking about |
| 18:06:03 | Soap | 'd the owners of old threads (30-90) days and given them a heads up to show up or... |
| 18:06:05 | Llorean | I'm going to make a slight change in the rules for the forum, and then notify everyone that isn't in compliance with the new rule, give them 3 days, and then move their threads to the trash. |
| 18:06:36 | Llorean | Basically, I'm going to make it more clear that they need to be more compliant with the GPL in several cases. |
| 18:07:28 | Llorean | Plus I'm going to put an official rule into effect regarding when a build is considered 'outdated' and that it will be removed entirely (not just hidden in the trash) if it becomes so (from that point on). |
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| 18:09:31 | linuxstb | preglow: I don't have any gapless MP3 files to test... |
| 18:13:26 | Nico_P | preglow: gapless mp3 seems to work for me |
| 18:13:39 | linuxstb | On which target, h300? |
| 18:13:48 | Nico_P | gigabeat |
| 18:14:05 | linuxstb | Everyone has a gigabeat nowadays... |
| 18:14:18 | Nico_P | linuxstb: that's because it rocks :) |
| 18:14:56 | Nico_P | but i still have my H300 |
| 18:15:05 | dan_a | Updated Kernel on COP patch posted in FS #5755 |
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| 18:20:33 | webguest51 | i have an error |
| 18:20:47 | webguest51 | is anyone here to help? |
| 18:21:18 | Llorean | dan_a: Okay, I'm not sure what you're saying about frequency scaling there. Specifically, you said "compiled with no frequency scaling support"... Does that mean with scaling disabled? |
| 18:21:35 | Llorean | webguest51: There are many people here. Generally it's best to ask the question, and then wait and see if anyone knows the answer. |
| 18:22:03 | dan_a | Llorean: Yes - I tested with and without frequency scaling |
| 18:22:28 | webguest51 | my error is displayed on the Ipod and it says "file not found" but i went through all the steps |
| 18:22:57 | Llorean | webguest51: I assume you mean that the file it's not finding is Rockbox.ipod? |
| 18:23:04 | webguest51 | yes |
| 18:23:05 | Llorean | Where, *exactly* is your Rockbox.ipod file? |
| 18:23:21 | webguest51 | i put it in the Cdrive |
| 18:24:18 | Llorean | Firstly, that's not an exact location. Secondly, that's not where the instructions tell you to put it. |
| 18:24:30 | Llorean | You didn't go through the steps exactly as they are in section 2.2.2 of the manual |
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| 18:28:32 | webguest51 | im still confused, could you tell me exactly what to do? |
| 18:29:13 | Llorean | webguest51: Are you reading the actual manual? What part of the instructions in it is confusing you? |
| 18:29:26 | Llorean | If they're confusing, we need to improve them, so it would be very helpful if you could be specific. |
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| 18:32:39 | jellisii | hey, that's cool: Vorbis files encoded at -q 6 seem to play nicely on my 3g. |
| 18:33:23 | webguest51 | so i extracted the files to a folder in the Cdrive named rockbox, when i went through the rest of the steps i didnt have any problems, i guess i just dont know where i can put the files so the Ipod nano can find them |
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| 18:35:23 | Gigabeater | Hey |
| 18:35:56 | Gigabeater | Someone please exlain to me how to get Doom to work on my Gigabeat. I've read the manual and still don't understand |
| 18:36:10 | Llorean | webguest51: That's not what the instructions say to do though. I told you specifically, read section 2.2.2 of the manual. |
| 18:36:13 | Llorean | webguest51: Have you done that yet? |
| 18:36:27 | Llorean | Gigabeater: What part don't you get? |
| 18:37:02 | l33ch | l8r guy |
| 18:37:06 | l33ch | s |
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| 18:37:32 | Llorean | Gigabeater: Specifically, how far did you get with the instructions? |
| 18:37:42 | webguest51 | ok, where is my "playe's drive" |
| 18:37:48 | Gigabeater | I'm not sure exactly.. I made a doom directory and put the rockdoom.wad in there. With the rockdoom.zip is another .wad file. I don't know where to put it, so I threw it in .rockbox/doom/addons. When I try to play doom I get a missing wad error |
| 18:38:46 | Llorean | Gigabeater: The instructions tell you that you need to put the game wad in "that" directory, meaning the same one you put rockdoom in. |
| 18:38:57 | Gigabeater | I tried that too |
| 18:38:59 | Gigabeater | And it didnt work |
| 18:39:03 | Llorean | webguest51: If you look in "My Computer", which drive is your player? |
| 18:39:23 | Llorean | Gigabeater: You have /.rockbox/doom/rockdoom.wad and what? |
| 18:39:39 | linuxstb | dan_a: Why is "fallback" needed in create_thread? Is that for people running incompatible bootloaders? |
| 18:39:48 | Gigabeater | I just too doomf.wad out fo addons and put it in doom folder |
| 18:39:55 | Gigabeater | took* |
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| 18:40:52 | Llorean | Gigabeater: Try renaming it doom2.wad |
| 18:40:53 | webguest51 | opps my bad, i needed to rebot the nano, thanks though |
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| 18:41:14 | Gigabeater | Alright |
| 18:41:32 | dan_a | linuxstb: Yes, or so that if there are MAX_THREADS threads on one core, the thread can be created on the other |
| 18:43:03 | Gigabeater | It wokrs! That's Llorean |
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| 18:43:30 | * | Llorean wonders when doom stopped allowing doomf.wad to work |
| 18:44:36 | Llorean | Anyone mind if I commit a small change that makes Rockbox Doom show "Doomf.wad" as "Freedoom" and treat it as a supported base wad, since that's how we're distributing it at the moment? |
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| 18:45:40 | linuxstb | Llorean: It's about time you started committing things ;) |
| 18:46:25 | Llorean | linuxstb: I've made two whole changes to the manual, and fixed one whole warning. So there. :-P |
| 18:46:39 | Llorean | Lemme just make sure I don't need to change anything but these two strings, first. |
| 18:47:08 | Gigabeater | What button opens doors in doom for gigabeat |
| 18:48:03 | Gigabeater | and is there a way to enable sound |
| 18:48:03 | Llorean | Gigabeater: If it's not in our manual, once you find out which buttons do what, could you post them to the PluginDoom wiki page? |
| 18:49:18 | Gigabeater | ahh got it |
| 18:49:27 | Gigabeater | Yeah I can.. how do I post it though |
| 18:49:33 | Gigabeater | Could I just tell you? |
| 18:50:32 | Llorean | It'd be best if you just filled in the keys thing on the PluginDoom wiki page. |
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| 18:53:01 | Llorean | The "rotate screen" option in Doom doesn't rotate the controls... |
| 18:53:52 | Gigabeater | I can't figure out how to fill in the keys thing in the PluginDoom page |
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| 18:55:00 | barrywardell | dan_a: I now get a main thread on the cop with v9 :) |
| 18:55:12 | barrywardell | what did you change that could have caused that? |
| 18:56:45 | PaulJam | On my h320 with a non SVN build, the options for backlight and backlight while charging are both called "backlight". does this problem also happen with a svn build? |
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| 18:58:15 | Nico_P | what do you guys think of my progressbar slider patch ? should i commit it ? (it adds 420 bytes to the gigabeat bin) |
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| 18:58:27 | barrywardell | PaulJam: I'm getting that here on my H10 with SVN build |
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| 19:07:12 | barrywardell | PaulJam: think I see the problem. fix on the way... |
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| 19:09:49 | PaulJam | another thing: in the id3 priority selection it seems as if the entrys are interchanged |
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| 19:10:25 | barrywardell | PaulJam: I just committed a fix for the first problem. |
| 19:10:34 | PaulJam | if i select "v2 then v1" it doesn't see the replaygain info for the files |
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| 19:10:57 | PaulJam | thank you |
| 19:11:20 | webguest51 | im having trouble listeing to my music, i get it from i tunes |
| 19:12:02 | barrywardell | where is the id3 priority setting? |
| 19:12:03 | PaulJam | webguest51: do you mean songs from the itunes music store? |
| 19:12:36 | webguest51 | yes, from the music store, and i dont know wut the id3 priority setting is |
| 19:12:47 | barrywardell | my question was for PaulJam |
| 19:12:52 | PaulJam | barrywardell: general settings => playback => id3 tag priority |
| 19:12:54 | barrywardell | sorry |
| 19:12:56 | webguest51 | gotcha |
| 19:13:42 | PaulJam | webguest51: rockbox doen't play DRMed content |
| 19:13:57 | Llorean | webguest51: Music Store songs are encrypted, we will not support them. |
| 19:14:24 | webguest51 | so the music i bought off of itunes, and the music i have stored on itunes i can not listen to? |
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| 19:14:48 | Llorean | Just bought. |
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| 19:15:26 | Llorean | We've made no secret of this, it's even in the iPodFaq. You knew already, I'm sure, that you couldn't listen to it with any other MP3 player too. iPods with Rockbox are basically 'another MP3 player', at least while running Rockbox. |
| 19:17:50 | mirak | webguest51: I must download illegaly the music you bought legally to listen it |
| 19:18:01 | mirak | webguest51: you must download illegaly the music you bought legally to listen it |
| 19:18:14 | jellisii | Thank apple for that. |
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| 19:18:36 | mirak | I think it's not even bound to apple |
| 19:18:46 | Soap | whoa mirak. There's no need to suggest illegal activity. |
| 19:18:51 | Llorean | Well, the problem with iTunes is that you aren't buying music, you're renting it. They just hide that. |
| 19:19:02 | Llorean | But it's neither here nor there. |
| 19:19:08 | mirak | Soap: what is illegal ? the guy as the right for is songs or not ? |
| 19:19:12 | Llorean | It's not supported, and if you want to use the iTunes Music Store, you can't use it with Rockbox. |
| 19:19:16 | Llorean | mirak: It is. |
| 19:19:40 | Soap | He doesn't have a right to the song, he has a right for limited use of said song. |
| 19:19:42 | Llorean | mirak: At least in the United States. You're not getting an all-inclusive right to that work, just that one particular copy of that work. |
| 19:19:55 | mirak | apple says now that DRM are bad, but they used them to keep people around ipods and itune I guess |
| 19:20:15 | Soap | But this is not the place to split such hairs, not argue the merits/costs of DRM. |
| 19:21:28 | webguest51 | its just economics, keeping the consumer trapped in the company, and they are doing a fantastic job of keeping thousands of people within the company |
| 19:21:30 | mirak | rockbox is part of that revolution anyway, the right to use your hardware as you want |
| 19:21:59 | webguest51 | it just a shame we suffer, due to it |
| 19:22:34 | mirak | they should have stick to vinyls |
| 19:22:55 | Soap | Can we talk Rockbox in the #rockbox channel? |
| 19:22:59 | jellisii | ugh... that's somethign I don't miss. |
| 19:23:13 | jellisii | vinyl, that is. |
| 19:23:20 | mirak | is there a scratch plugin for rockbox ? |
| 19:23:22 | mirak | lol |
| 19:23:39 | mirak | I guess it could work well with ipods wheel |
| 19:23:41 | Mikachu | just put some butter in the headphones slot |
| 19:24:10 | jellisii | the "hiss and pop" synthesizer is in the works, I'm shure |
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| 19:25:26 | webguest51 | okay im havin trouble listening to music that i bought |
| 19:25:46 | Mikachu | did you just forget the whole last 10 minutes of conversation? |
| 19:26:05 | webguest51 | no music that i bought off of a CD |
| 19:26:57 | Llorean | What problem are you having, then? |
| 19:27:58 | barrywardell | linuxstb: I think with your usb detection code, it should report charger connected when it detects the charger rather than usb |
| 19:28:01 | webguest51 | Well when im in the music player, there is nothing but question marks on everything |
| 19:29:08 | Llorean | What 'music player' are you referring to? |
| 19:29:33 | jellisii | is there any obvious reason that Rockbox should hang my player when I hit the play/pause button on my 3g ipod? |
| 19:29:33 | petur | webguest51: how did you convert the music from CD to files on PC, and what format? |
| 19:30:01 | Llorean | jellisii: Every time you press it? |
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| 19:30:34 | Llorean | jellisii: And by 'hang' do you mean 'freeze and require a reboot' or just 'take a few seconds to do anything'? |
| 19:31:05 | jellisii | Llorean: hangs with "loading. . ." displayed. and it seems to be every time.. lemme reboot and check |
| 19:31:18 | webguest51 | i have the CD on both Itunes and microsoft media player |
| 19:31:26 | Llorean | jellisii: So it's freezing while resuming? |
| 19:31:46 | jellisii | oh hey, it's intermittant... hmmm |
| 19:32:03 | jellisii | Llorean: resuming or starting playback after reboot. |
| 19:32:47 | jellisii | lemme try with just MP3 files... the vorbis overhead may be killing the processor. |
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| 19:34:37 | perldiver | what's "Freedom" game? |
| 19:35:00 | petur | webguest51: so what format did it produce? Give the extension of the music file you copied on your player |
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| 19:36:53 | webguest51 | how can i load music on the ipod, and listen to it |
| 19:37:04 | Llorean | perldiver: Freedoom, you mean? |
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| 19:37:25 | perldiver | Llorean ha, yes, sorry, Freedoom |
| 19:37:27 | Llorean | perldiver: It's a full Doom2-compatible IWAD produced with entirely GPL licensed material. |
| 19:37:33 | Llorean | Which means we can distribute it. |
| 19:37:42 | Llorean | It's the doomf.wad that we provide on the Extras page. |
| 19:37:42 | perldiver | aha, thanks |
| 19:37:59 | Llorean | You can you any Doom2 compatible add-ons with it, too. Or should be able to. |
| 19:38:41 | petur | webguest51: firt you mst convert the CD to music files that are supported by RockBox: MP3, Ogg Vorbis, Musepack, FLAC, AAC, ALAC, AC3 and WavPack (pick one ;) ) |
| 19:38:55 | PaulJam | I have a question about the new "play next" feature. i used this feature with a Database entry, but the playlist that was created was not shuffeled even though shuffle was enabled. is this intended? |
| 19:38:57 | Llorean | webguest51: Have you read the section in the manual on playing music? |
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| 19:39:10 | jellisii | webguest51: Then you'll need to boot the iPod into diskmode to copy files to it. |
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| 19:39:53 | Llorean | PaulJam: It works like "Insert" which means there should be a Play Next Shuffled. |
| 19:40:42 | linuxstb_ | petur: You forgot Shorten, WAV, AIFF, MP1 and MP2 ... |
| 19:41:02 | * | petur copy-pasted from the wiki :p |
| 19:41:07 | PaulJam | Llorean: thanks for the information. |
| 19:41:21 | Mouser_X | You also forgot ADX. |
| 19:41:29 | Mouser_X | There is an ADX encoder available. |
| 19:41:30 | hcs | heh, beat me to it |
| 19:41:36 | perldiver | what's the difference between Play Next and Queue? |
| 19:41:37 | Llorean | And Speex, if you're really crazy. |
| 19:41:38 | Mouser_X | :) |
| 19:41:43 | Mouser_X | lol |
| 19:41:45 | Llorean | perldiver: There is a manual. :-P |
| 19:41:52 | Llorean | perldiver: Play Next is the opposite of Queue in every way. |
| 19:42:11 | perldiver | is Play Next already documented? |
| 19:42:27 | Llorean | Play Next clears the current playlist, makes the current song "queued", and replaces the existing playlist with whatever you chose to play next. |
| 19:43:01 | Llorean | It "plays" the selection next. |
| 19:43:02 | Mouser_X | Ah. That could be useful, in some rare instances. |
| 19:43:43 | Llorean | It was a very frequently requested option. |
| 19:43:51 | jellisii | Llorean: My "hanging" problem seems to be just switching between songs. |
| 19:44:03 | jellisii | and intermittant. |
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| 19:45:14 | webguest51 | so there is not a way to convert the music from itunes to the rockbox, legally? |
| 19:45:40 | Mikachu | depends on where you live |
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| 19:45:54 | webguest51 | usa |
| 19:45:59 | Mikachu | then no chance |
| 19:46:13 | Mouser_X | Couldn't you just play the audio, and record it back to something else? |
| 19:46:26 | Mikachu | technically it's not hard at all |
| 19:46:33 | Llorean | webguest51: Apple suggests that you burn a CD, and then convert that CD if you must use iTunes songs with an unsupported MP3 player. |
| 19:46:37 | Mikachu | but it's illegal to bypass copy protection in their country |
| 19:46:37 | Mouser_X | So, while it's playing in iTunes, record the audio with something else, and convert the audio to some other format? |
| 19:46:39 | jellisii | The DMCA prevents that being done legally. Taking the analog output is technically circumventing copy controls. |
| 19:46:59 | Mikachu | you can strip the drm digitally too i heard |
| 19:47:02 | Mouser_X | Humans=stupid/ |
| 19:47:08 | Mouser_X | :( |
| 19:47:13 | Mikachu | some program can swipe the decrypted data from memory while playing in itunes |
| 19:47:15 | linuxstb_ | Isn't there an interoperability clause in the DMCA? |
| 19:47:16 | jellisii | American legislattos == stupid. |
| 19:47:25 | jellisii | er.. legislators... |
| 19:47:32 | jellisii | lemme get my glasses |
| 19:47:33 | Mouser_X | jellisii: Yes, that's a better way of saying it. |
| 19:47:34 | barrywardell | linuxstb_: you see my comment about ipod charger detection? |
| 19:47:46 | perldiver | Mikachu it involves a lot of messing around and perl scripts hehe |
| 19:48:08 | webguest51 | is converting a copy cd easy? |
| 19:48:13 | Dunkelschub | although getting it off the ipod is extremly simple |
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| 19:48:20 | jellisii | perldiver: which also is against the DMCA |
| 19:48:23 | Mikachu | Dunkelschub: it's still encrypted then |
| 19:48:26 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: Yes. I think we can just detect chargers by GPIO though, at least on the ipods. |
| 19:48:27 | Llorean | webguest51: Look, if you _really_ want to use iTunes, you probably shouldn't be using Rockbox. |
| 19:48:51 | webguest51 | yeah i think i have come to that |
| 19:49:29 | * | Mouser_X *really* wants to avoid anything apple based... |
| 19:49:32 | jellisii | which is a bummer, because iTunes is a real pain to use, in my opinion. |
| 19:49:40 | Mouser_X | As such, I use Rockbox on a Gigabeat. |
| 19:49:46 | Llorean | webguest51: What was it about Rockbox that interested you in it, anyway? |
| 19:49:54 | * | linuxstb_ likes Apple hardware, but hates Apple software. |
| 19:50:03 | Mikachu | Llorean: you sound like it's strange that someone would like rockbox :) |
| 19:50:04 | Mouser_X | Heh |
| 19:50:32 | * | jellisii agrees with linuxstb |
| 19:50:43 | webguest51 | games, more music, and popular science said it would be an upgrade |
| 19:50:50 | Llorean | Mikachu: I'm curious if there's something specific he was looking for, since he seems pretty attached to iTunes. |
| 19:51:24 | barrywardell | linuxstb: I mean, currently when we connect the charger we just ignore it as if nothing happened. we should report it being connected |
| 19:51:27 | Llorean | Mikachu: I'd gotten the impression it wasn't an 'informed' opinion. |
| 19:51:33 | webguest51 | and the custum stuff |
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| 19:52:09 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: I think that's just because the GPIO code hasn't been implemented. We also need to detect charging on the 12V (firewire) pins. |
| 19:54:56 | barrywardell | ah, ok |
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| 19:56:16 | Arathis | Is there a reason why the YEAR tag of ogg files isn't read correctly? When showing ID3Tags of the current playing track while in WPS it shows the year, but when using tag-cache and browsing by year the files don't show up there |
| 19:56:35 | Mikachu | i think it's because it's a string in vorbis tags |
| 19:56:54 | Mikachu | but i'm only vaguely sure |
| 19:57:06 | linuxstb_ | I think YEAR/DATE is a string in most tags. |
| 19:57:46 | linuxstb_ | Arathis: Are your tags "YEAR" or "DATE" ? I thought DATE was standard in vorbis comments? |
| 19:58:13 | * | Domonoky updated the rbutil patch. new Windows binary: domonoky/rbutil.zip">http://www.b23.org/~domonoky/rbutil.zip |
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| 19:59:14 | Arathis | linuxstb_: date=2006 |
| 19:59:41 | Arathis | I just looked at tag-cache menu and what he showed in the wps context |
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| 20:00:05 | Arathis | so DATE is used (regarding to the header of the file ^^) |
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| 20:03:47 | linuxstb_ | Looking at the vorbis parsing code, it stores the DATE string in the "year_string" field, and doesn't attempt to populate the "year" with an integer. I'm guessing tagcache is using the year integer, and not falling back on the string, whereas the WPS checks the string first, and if there is no string, uses the integer. |
| 20:05:13 | Mikachu | i was close then |
| 20:05:26 | Arathis | so.....? |
| 20:05:56 | linuxstb_ | Exactly, so...? Vorbis DATE can be anything, how can you convert it to a year? |
| 20:06:40 | Arathis | with "anything" you mean string, integer, etc? |
| 20:06:52 | Mikachu | extracting \<[0-9]{4}\> is a good bet :) |
| 20:07:07 | linuxstb_ | 0204 isn't going to be a year... |
| 20:07:55 | hcs | I'm pretty sure we've had this discussion before. While it may be hard to impossible to get everything right, it is still possible to make an effort that works most of the time. |
| 20:08:04 | Mikachu | it's not a date either |
| 20:08:12 | linuxstb_ | I'm sure we must have done. |
| 20:08:34 | hcs | I specifically remember coming up with a bunch of stupid ways to give valid dates |
| 20:09:37 | Llorean | And populating the list with 'valid' years that make no sense is, in my mind, worse than not populating it with years. |
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| 20:10:54 | Llorean | It seems to me we could look for just a year, or YYYY-MM-DD and in either of those cases extract the year, all others discard? |
| 20:11:01 | Mikachu | why not just put the whole date string in? it's up to the user to tag consistently |
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| 20:12:10 | Llorean | Mikachu: How could you put the whole date string in as a single int? |
| 20:12:43 | Mikachu | i mean in year_string then |
| 20:13:02 | linuxstb_ | |
| 20:13:09 | Llorean | That's or less what I was suggesting though. Assume that they're either just going to provide a year, or a standard date. |
| 20:13:52 | linuxstb_ | 12 876§12Q7YUJIOPK[L;'.?A-[| |
| 20:14:10 | Llorean | Having computer issues? |
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| 20:15:08 | linuxstb_ | Ooops, just cleaning the keyboard... :) |
| 20:15:23 | jellisii | and we were on our way to a bash quote... |
| 20:17:05 | linuxstb_ | Mikachu: That's what happens now - the DATE string goes into year_string. But I guess tagcache wants to sort and filter by year... |
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| 20:21:48 | petur | what's the default wps on H1x0? |
| 20:22:14 | linuxstb_ | Same as every other player afaik - rockbox-default (it's hardcoded in the wps code). |
| 20:22:28 | Soap | That's really a philosophical question, isn't it? How far should Rockbox go to accommodate inconsistant (if not outright poor) tagging? |
| 20:22:29 | petur | not iCatcher? |
| 20:22:50 | linuxstb_ | No, although I wrote a patch to make iCatcher the default theme on all players. |
| 20:22:53 | * | petur is trying to help a h120 newbie on MR |
| 20:23:16 | Soap | tell him it is hopeless, and he should sell me his h120 for $100 |
| 20:23:20 | jellisii | I would think that the tagging is the responsibility of the encoder: The spec for every format is documented. |
| 20:23:36 | robin0800 | How do you get cygwin to use arm-elf-gcc 4.0.3 |
| 20:23:38 | petur | Soap? |
| 20:23:49 | Soap | yes - that was directed at you petur |
| 20:23:57 | petur | you're looking for an h120? |
| 20:24:03 | Soap | I'd love one. |
| 20:24:08 | petur | hahaha |
| 20:24:54 | robin0800 | any experts here with cygwin? |
| 20:25:01 | blackness | I don't know what happened but all of my plugins dissapered on my 5g ipod, how do I get them back? |
| 20:25:21 | Llorean | robin0800: The official install directions do that for you... |
| 20:25:32 | Soap | blackness: did you mount your ipod and check to see if the .rock files are actually still on the hard drive? |
| 20:26:37 | robin0800 | http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin/ are you you sure this is not broken? |
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| 20:27:21 | perldiver | Llorean cant find anything about Play Next in the manuals |
| 20:27:38 | PaulJam | could someone with a svn build look if the statusbar overlaps the text in the "Running Time" screen? |
| 20:28:06 | Llorean | robin0800: It does look like it's outdated, apparently |
| 20:28:21 | Llorean | robin0800: Just use rockboxdev.sh or the manual CrossCompiler install instructions then |
| 20:28:28 | Llorean | perldiver: It appears to be undocumented for the moment. |
| 20:28:56 | perldiver | http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin/ worked for me for the 4.0.3 update |
| 20:29:12 | blackness | where exaclty are the plugins located? |
| 20:29:23 | robin0800 | how do you use rockboxdev.sh? |
| 20:30:01 | Llorean | Yeah, I misread |
| 20:30:06 | Llorean | robin0800: The .ini is fine, it's not outdated. |
| 20:30:33 | Llorean | perldiver: I opened it up in a text editor that didn't support unix style line endings and misread the previous version line as the current one. |
| 20:30:49 | robin0800 | when I run setup it produces errors |
| 20:31:17 | blackness | nm got it |
| 20:32:49 | jellisii | I wonder if I just have a hardware problem... It's still hanging intermittantly. I'm trying to figure out a way of consistantly replicating it. |
| 20:33:18 | mirak | linuxstb: you run linux on your mac ? |
| 20:33:19 | robin0800 | it says can't get setup.ini etc and fails |
| 20:33:50 | linuxstb_ | mirak: I did on my previous ibook, but don't on this one. |
| 20:33:58 | Llorean | robin0800: Error messages tend to actually *mean* something. Saying "etc" and dismissing them makes it hard for anyone to have any hope of helping you. |
| 20:35:22 | mirak | linuxstb: ah ! you run windows ! |
| 20:35:49 | linuxstb_ | I run from windows... |
| 20:36:07 | perldiver | http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin/release/arm-elf-gcc/arm-elf-gcc-4.0.3-1.tar.bz2 |
| 20:36:15 | perldiver | download that and overwriting actually works too |
| 20:36:30 | perldiver | but it doesnt give me errors with regular setup as well |
| 20:37:14 | mirak | linuxstb: I have two macs my neigbourgh gave me, I gave up running os x on them. it looks good etcetera but applications are slower than on linux, for exemple firefox crawls |
| 20:37:28 | jellisii | Linux for work, windows for play. |
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| 20:38:42 | linuxstb_ | mirak: Unless a breakthrough has been made recently, I can't use my wireless network on my ibook with Linux, so I have to use Mac OS X for that. I can live with it. |
| 20:39:01 | barrywardell | PaulJam: It doesn't overlap for me |
| 20:40:01 | Mikachu | i'd expect wlan to be an area with fast progress |
| 20:40:32 | mirak | linuxstb: on good hardware sure. |
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| 20:41:12 | PaulJam | barrywardell: ah, thank you. then it is propably caused by one of the patches. |
| 20:42:22 | mirak | linuxstb: does linux supports well energy saving on laptops ? |
| 20:42:48 | ender` | mirak: depends on the laptop, but usually works fine |
| 20:42:54 | Mikachu | linux does, gnome/kde isn't so good |
| 20:44:14 | Mikachu | they have tons of little processes that wake up very often, doing nothing, but they still interrupt the power saving mode of the cpu |
| 20:44:40 | robin0800 | downloaded and extracted where do Icopy it to? |
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| 20:44:56 | barrywardell | anyone objections to committing FS #6662? |
| 20:45:45 | Mikachu | looks pretty sane |
| 20:45:50 | linuxstb_ | Does Rockbox have a math.h then? |
| 20:46:44 | Mikachu | three of them |
| 20:46:45 | * | linuxstb_ finds math.h answers his own question |
| 20:46:49 | Mikachu | apps/codecs/libmusepack/math.happs/codecs/libspeex/math.h firmware/include/math.h |
| 20:46:54 | linuxstb_ | :) |
| 20:46:58 | barrywardell | math.h is #include'd in calculator.c already |
| 20:47:15 | Mikachu | i'm assuming the latter is the used one :) |
| 20:48:31 | barrywardell | OK. I'll commit it. M_PI, etc are defined in the latter one |
| 20:49:05 | Mikachu | sort of strange to define 2*pi and pi/2 |
| 20:49:20 | Mikachu | i'm assuming even gcc will evaluate those at compile time |
| 20:50:07 | blackness | how long does it usually take to load a zxbox plugin |
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| 20:55:38 | desowin | just wondering - is there 'database creator' running on computer not on device ? |
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| 21:07:16 | perl|perl | is Dean Murray here by any chance? |
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| 21:39:21 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: My ipod color has been running almost 3 hours now with koCOP9, so it's looking good. |
| 21:42:33 | linuxstb_ | Although it does feel slower in normal use... |
| 21:43:44 | barrywardell | slower than without using the COP? |
| 21:44:49 | linuxstb_ | Yes. The menus seem more sluggish. |
| 21:45:47 | barrywardell | that's weird |
| 21:46:47 | linuxstb_ | I'll try an svn build later to compare (I want to see how long it runs without freezing). |
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| 21:53:49 | preglow | nice bug, that... |
| 21:54:19 | Bagder | we should add some gcc option to warn when doing #if on undefined defines |
| 21:54:47 | preglow | well,isn't that a quite common usage scenario? |
| 21:54:52 | Bagder | no |
| 21:54:58 | Bagder | it shouldn't anyway |
| 21:55:06 | Bagder | you should #ifdef then |
| 21:55:11 | Bagder | or #if defined(blabla) |
| 21:55:15 | preglow | ahhh, yes, yes |
| 21:55:17 | preglow | of course |
| 21:56:04 | Bagder | -Wundef |
| 21:56:09 | Bagder | "Warn if an undefined identifier is evaluated in an #if directive." |
| 21:57:04 | hcs | that'll throw some warnings in the spc, I know |
| 21:57:25 | preglow | i think it's a good idea anyway |
| 21:57:35 | Bagder | yeah |
| 21:57:50 | hcs | I agree, just letting you know ahead of time, blargg liked to use the 0 assumption |
| 21:59:58 | Bagder | oh |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:01 | Bagder | maaaaany warnings |
| 22:00:55 | Bagder | no wrong, make that maaaaaaaaaany |
| 22:01:44 | linuxstb_ | In spc or everywhere? |
| 22:01:49 | Bagder | all over |
| 22:01:57 | petur | ouch |
| 22:02:03 | Bagder | mostly the same defines involved |
| 22:02:06 | linuxstb_ | But we're nice programmers writing clean code... |
| 22:02:10 | Bagder | HW_SAMPR_CAPS |
| 22:02:15 | Bagder | MEMORYSIZE |
| 22:02:44 | Bagder | I guess most of the warnings are in the same header files actually |
| 22:02:56 | Bagder | just included from everywhere |
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| 22:02:58 | Bagder | like export/config.h |
| 22:03:33 | hcs | grumble grumble people not setting file pointers to null after closing |
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| 22:10:39 | tick | Anybode here? |
| 22:10:42 | preglow | no! |
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| 22:13:46 | tick | Ok, then I'll ask. Under cygwin, when I start make, the CPU goes to ~50% and nothing happens. In the process list, I see svnversion.exe. If I kill it it appears again. If I kill it again make does its work very quickly. What could it be? |
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| 22:14:22 | Bagder | tick: you using source checked out from svn? |
| 22:14:40 | tick | Bagder: yes |
| 22:14:59 | bullmoon | Bagder, do you mind if I ask a server related question |
| 22:15:33 | Bagder | tick: did you check it out with cygwin? |
| 22:15:36 | Bagder | bullmoon: shoot |
| 22:15:55 | bullmoon | is it possible to run p2p software like DC++ on a NAS device |
| 22:16:14 | tick | Bagder: ehm... I think no. I checked it out with TortoiseSVN. |
| 22:16:45 | Bagder | tick: I bet that is the reason then, the cygwin svnversion not liking it or something |
| 22:16:52 | tick | Bagder: does the file format differ between tortoise and cygwin svn? |
| 22:16:53 | * | petur votes for the offtopic question of the day |
| 22:17:17 | Bagder | tick: I don't know but they could differ on line endings or so |
| 22:17:36 | tick | Bagder: I'll try to execute svn update under cygwin |
| 22:17:59 | Bagder | bullmoon: I thought it was about a Rockbox server. But you can run software on a computer yes, as a NAS is a computer I guess |
| 22:18:48 | bullmoon | thanks, and i guess i should've been more specific, sorry |
| 22:19:03 | Bagder | -Wundef also breaks the sansa build... |
| 22:19:20 | Mikachu | how can it break? you have -Werror? |
| 22:19:44 | Bagder | nope |
| 22:19:50 | tick | hmm... svn under cygwin brought just a few lines, not the whole source tree. And I couldn't find a file svnversion.exe on my hard disc. Weird. |
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| 22:20:10 | Bagder | Mikachu: it makes stuff like "name = DEFINE;" fail if DEFINE isn't defined |
| 22:20:28 | Bagder | common/dircache.c:55: error: 'DIRCACHE_LIMIT' undeclared here |
| 22:20:55 | Bagder | I haven't worked it out completely |
| 22:21:06 | Bagder | that file shouldn't even compile on sansa |
| 22:21:21 | tick | So svn under cygwin is 'compatible' with tortoise. |
| 22:21:31 | petur | yes |
| 22:21:40 | petur | tortoisesvn, that is |
| 22:22:01 | tick | petur: that was my conclusion, not a question :-) |
| 22:23:45 | Bagder | hm, reeeeed |
| 22:24:16 | dan_a | linuxstb_: Good to hear it's working to some extent. I'm sure there's still weird things going on: why should recording not work if the codec thread doesn't yield, when the codec thread is on a different core? |
| 22:24:28 | tick | Bagder: everything ok with you keyboard? ;-) |
| 22:25:39 | petur | WHOA monster score :p |
| 22:25:54 | petur | 37826 points |
| 22:26:14 | barrywardell | dan_a: I'm getting some weird behavior. A couple of times I have had it reboot straight away on startup, then it boots the second time and sometimes i get an error ("Un...") flashes on the screen over the Rockbox logo for a split-second. |
| 22:26:29 | midgey | oh man, i believe thats the second highest score ever |
| 22:26:46 | dan_a | I'm getting errors on the 3G too |
| 22:26:57 | Bagder | yeah, all over |
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| 22:27:39 | tick | Aha! I've found it. svnversion is a program that I have under cygwin. But I don't understand why it's executed. @Bagder: any ideas? |
| 22:27:54 | Bagder | the build procedure runs it |
| 22:28:00 | preglow | now that's a score |
| 22:28:00 | Bagder | to figure out the rev number |
| 22:28:27 | Bagder | its the config.h change |
| 22:28:51 | Bagder | fix coming up |
| 22:29:03 | tick | Bagder: is it necessary? It takes quite a bit of time. |
| 22:29:28 | barrywardell | dan_a: unfortunately, it's not reliably reproducable. Only about 1 in 10 times |
| 22:29:53 | barrywardell | dan_a: do I need to update my bootloader too? |
| 22:30:13 | tick | Bagder: and it's very annoying if you want to have many quick edit-compile cycles |
| 22:31:30 | dan_a | barrywardell: Only if you haven't since about August |
| 22:32:31 | Bagder | tick: create a docs/VERSION file with your version number in |
| 22:33:20 | barrywardell | dan_a: in that case, then I don't. |
| 22:35:25 | tick | Bagder: just one line with my current svn revision? |
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| 22:35:58 | Bagder | yes, or whatever you want it to show in the version screen |
| 22:36:38 | tick | Bagder: Yessss! Thanks a lot! |
| 22:36:47 | dan_a | barrywardell: Does it behave any better if you put "#if CURRENT_CORE==COP" around the call to ipod_set_cpu_frequency in system_init()? |
| 22:37:01 | perl|perl | is Dean Murray here by any chance? |
| 22:37:10 | barrywardell | dan_a: I'll test that |
| 22:37:41 | tick | Bagder: does it have to be a number? Or just an arbitrary string? |
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| 22:37:54 | Bagder | tick: any string I believe |
| 22:38:31 | barrywardell | dan_a: do you mean COP, or CPU? |
| 22:40:43 | dan_a | barrywardell: i mean COP. KoCOP8 had it done by the CPU, and that didn't work. |
| 22:41:02 | dan_a | We might just need to call that function at a different time |
| 22:41:49 | tick | Bagder: just as an info: not every string in doc/VERSION is ok. I got compile error in main.c:110 after I entered 'doc/VERSION' there. 'doc_VERSION' is ok. |
| 22:43:07 | petur | tick: try two slashes |
| 22:43:53 | tick | petur: how is it used? Does it get passed as an option to the compiler? Or is it used as a define in the compiler command line? |
| 22:44:29 | petur | probably in some string function, and / is an escape char,// is the / char |
| 22:44:46 | petur | (iirc) |
| 22:44:51 | barrywardell | dan_a: or maybe use a more advanced function. one like I had before based off how the H10 OF does it |
| 22:44:56 | barrywardell | I'll try that too |
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| 22:45:03 | tick | petur: / is an escape??? Not \? |
| 22:45:59 | petur | frrrr |
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| 22:52:52 | Bagder | -Wundef coming up |
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| 22:55:58 | Bagder | there are a few warnings left |
| 22:56:14 | mattzz | need some help? |
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| 22:58:21 | Bagder | I think fixing the remaining ones should be fairly quick and easy |
| 22:58:50 | mattzz | alrighty |
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| 22:59:31 | Bagder | but thanks anyway |
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| 23:02:13 | * | amiconn wonders what Bagder is doing... |
| 23:02:30 | * | Soap wonders what a Wundef is |
| 23:02:48 | Bagder | "Warn if an undefined identifier is evaluated in an #if directive." |
| 23:03:10 | Soap | thanks |
| 23:05:57 | Bagder | amiconn: just breaking a few builds so that less builds will break in the future |
| 23:06:01 | * | amiconn wonders whether this -Wundef stuff is really necessary |
| 23:06:15 | Bagder | it would've caught the bug Linus just fixed |
| 23:06:21 | Bagder | and we've had such bugs in the past too |
| 23:06:22 | amiconn | We went for years without, and it makes the expressions longer |
| 23:06:30 | Bagder | that are rather hard to catch |
| 23:06:54 | Bagder | it just makes a few expressions longer |
| 23:07:26 | amiconn | hmm |
| 23:07:54 | amiconn | -Wundef: Protects from programmers who cannot type properly ;) |
| 23:08:05 | Bagder | not only |
| 23:08:17 | amiconn | urgh |
| 23:08:21 | Bagder | it also protects authors who don't include the correct include file |
| 23:08:24 | amiconn | Yellow and red all over |
| 23:08:39 | Bagder | like for #if PAD == ANOTHER_PAD |
| 23:09:31 | amiconn | Shouldn't this change only produce yellow, but no red? |
| 23:09:38 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:10:02 | barrywardell | dan_a: With only running the ipod_set_cpu_frequency() on the COP I haven't been able to reproduce the reboot problem yet :) |
| 23:10:02 | Bagder | but |
| 23:10:10 | Bagder | I broke that when I "fixed" dsp.c |
| 23:10:32 | amiconn | Hmm, the log colouring script seems to be a little confused |
| 23:11:31 | amiconn | The 'In file blah' lines for warnings should be yellow, not red, shouldn't they? |
| 23:12:17 | Bagder | why does dsp.c do this? |
| 23:12:29 | Bagder | sound.h seems to be a bit odd |
| 23:12:37 | Bagder | it breaks if config.h is included before it |
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| 23:14:43 | Bagder | that's the change that causes the reds anyway |
| 23:14:46 | Lear | Ouch, ugly build table... |
| 23:14:48 | Lear | :) |
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| 23:14:57 | Bagder | xmas-tree look! |
| 23:15:20 | Lear | Anyone working on it? |
| 23:15:24 | Bagder | yeah |
| 23:15:40 | Juice^ | ouch :o |
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| 23:17:11 | dan_a | barrywardell: Excellent! |
| 23:18:07 | Lear | Huh? Complaints about "bool"? Don't really see why... |
| 23:19:20 | dionoea | howdy. same error here |
| 23:19:35 | preglow | amiconn: i've seen plenty of errors/mistakes that would never have happened if this was enabled, so i welcome it, at least |
| 23:19:37 | dionoea | C doesn't define bool |
| 23:19:44 | dionoea | (or at least old versions didn't) |
| 23:20:32 | dan_a | IMHO, anything that makes bugs easier to catch is good, even if it does make for longer lines |
| 23:22:59 | Lear | bool is a newer addition (like C98 or C99 or something). Worked before, but the move of a config.h include somehow breaks it... |
| 23:24:06 | linuxstb_ | Shouldn't you include <stdbool.h> to use bool? |
| 23:24:32 | Bagder | yeah, that fixes it |
| 23:25:45 | Bagder | committed now |
| 23:27:28 | Lear | uda1380.h still fails here... |
| 23:28:48 | Bagder | for what target? |
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| 23:28:54 | Lear | H140 |
| 23:29:05 | Lear | uda1380.h:27: error: syntax error before "extern" |
| 23:29:43 | Lear | Makes no sense, but... |
| 23:29:44 | petur | linuxstb: re FS #6648 (the similar names fat bug): was it essential that one file was a long filename and the other a valid shortname (8.3)? |
| 23:30:04 | Bagder | Lear: not for me |
| 23:30:24 | petur | linuxstb_ too |
| 23:30:31 | Bagder | rev 12362? |
| 23:30:36 | Lear | Hm.., maybe deps aren't cleaned enough... |
| 23:30:49 | Lear | Yep, double-checked that. |
| 23:31:26 | linuxstb_ | petur: I didn't do any more tests - all I know is that those particular names caused the problem. |
| 23:31:32 | Juice^ | the gameboy emu on sansa is quite laggy when playing a game like mickey mouse i just tested, when there is enemies.. so its the calculation of their behaviour that is taking up alot of cpu, or is it unoptimized code? maby a combination |
| 23:32:00 | Lear | Include from mp3_playback.c this time; stdbool.h should perhaps go into the header actually using it... |
| 23:32:21 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:32:42 | Lear | Huh? mp3_playback includes it... |
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| 23:34:42 | Bagder | the h1x0 gets quite a few warnings in ata.h |
| 23:34:43 | amiconn | Quite obscure bug Linus found... |
| 23:35:02 | * | amiconn would probably never have found it |
| 23:35:11 | Bagder | ... that -Wundef would've helped ;-) |
| 23:35:47 | amiconn | All my gapless mp3 files use the lame -nogap method, still playing gapless even with this bug |
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| 23:35:57 | Bagder | now friends, feel free to nuke a few warnings |
| 23:36:31 | Lear | Gah! A stray character sneaked it's way into a file. :( |
| 23:36:59 | Bagder | did I add one? |
| 23:37:40 | Lear | No, I did... |
| 23:37:43 | Bagder | ah |
| 23:37:56 | linuxstb_ | What should CONFIG_CHARGING be defined as for the ipods? The 5g defines it as CHARGING_MONITOR, but it's undefined everywhere else. |
| 23:38:59 | Lear | I'm fixing the CONFIG_LED thing, if no-one beats me to it. |
| 23:39:44 | amiconn | CONFIG_LED is intentionally undefined in one case |
| 23:40:01 | amiconn | ...as well as several other CONFIG_* definitions |
| 23:40:30 | Mikachu | yes, and when checking if they are you use #ifdef? |
| 23:40:33 | amiconn | Adding the #if defined() check probably is not what we want |
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| 23:40:47 | Bagder | amiconn: in what case ? |
| 23:41:21 | amiconn | The CONFIG_* definitions are the 'multi-value' definitions |
| 23:41:26 | Lear | What else to do then? |
| 23:41:28 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:41:34 | linuxstb_ | CONFIG_RTC is the same IIRC. |
| 23:41:45 | amiconn | CONFIG_TUNER too |
| 23:41:51 | Bagder | amiconn: and they are even in fact one of the reasons -Wundef is very good for us |
| 23:42:02 | Mikachu | then you have to define it to 0 in the undefined case |
| 23:42:08 | Bagder | since we do a lot of code #if CONFIG_BLABLA == BLABLA |
| 23:42:12 | amiconn | It can be set for the Samsung or the Philips, and it can be undefined to indicate no tuner |
| 23:42:14 | preglow | anyone care deeply about the decibel range for software bass/treble boost controls? if no one does, it'll end up as -24/24 in 1 db increments |
| 23:42:41 | Bagder | amiconn: then the first #if would be #if !defined(CONFIG_TUNER), right? |
| 23:42:48 | amiconn | In fact, CONFIG_TUNER is slighly different as it's even a bitmask |
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| 23:43:20 | amiconn | Bagder: That's what I mean... lots of extra checks in the #if's |
| 23:43:28 | Bagder | yes, but good checks |
| 23:43:31 | preglow | deed |
| 23:43:43 | amiconn | We could also set them to an explicit 'absent' value |
| 23:43:45 | Bagder | we have had more than one bug due to mistakes with this |
| 23:43:48 | preglow | i'm willing to do some extra checkery to not have to care about bugs like this |
| 23:43:57 | amiconn | That'd require less extra checks |
| 23:44:20 | Bagder | amiconn: yes, that's another option that in my view is just as fine |
| 23:44:23 | preglow | ok, -24 to 24 decibels it is |
| 23:44:36 | amiconn | +/- 24 dB is quite a lot |
| 23:44:39 | preglow | indeed it is |
| 23:44:57 | * | amiconn has seldom seen larger ranges that +/-12 or +/-15dB |
| 23:45:06 | preglow | the eq has -24 to 24 |
| 23:45:14 | amiconn | ok |
| 23:45:14 | dan_a | preglow: My mixer does +/-18dB in 0.5dB steps |
| 23:45:30 | preglow | dan_a: 0.5 db steps are somewhat unnecessary for this application, if you ask me |
| 23:45:47 | preglow | anyway, i'll just tack it on so people can try it out, then we can see |
| 23:46:07 | amiconn | Hehe, the (newer) MAS can even do 1/8 dB steps for treble & bass |
| 23:46:21 | preglow | haha |
| 23:46:24 | preglow | how... useful |
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| 23:47:28 | preglow | amiconn: oh, and the cutoff frequencies for the controls should be fixed, yes? like it already is in hardware |
| 23:47:36 | preglow | that'll simplify things a lot |
| 23:47:46 | amiconn | I think so |
| 23:48:12 | preglow | i don't see the point with anything else, if you want more control, use the eq |
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| 23:48:20 | preglow | that's built for more control and has better filters |
| 23:48:55 | Mikachu | and the point of these is they're faster? |
| 23:49:04 | preglow | yeah, slightly |
| 23:49:18 | preglow | two of these will be as fast as one eq filter |
| 23:49:29 | preglow | which means both bass and treble controls at the cost of just bass control with the eq |
| 23:49:55 | preglow | although i see it more as a familiarity thing. people who can't be bothered to learn how the eq works can still use these |
| 23:50:32 | amiconn | Imho it's rather useful on ipods without hardware tone control, e.g. the mini |
| 23:50:35 | preglow | i might be able to make them even lower cost in the future, but for now, i'll take the route that doesn't need me to code a new filtering routine in asm |
| 23:51:06 | BigBambi | Hurray! I just bought a F40 as backup to my H160 for £60 including shipping from the States! |
| 23:51:25 | * | BigBambi had to get on the Gigabeat bandwagon |
| 23:53:13 | preglow | ouch |
| 23:53:14 | preglow | 60? |
| 23:53:17 | preglow | that's nothing |
| 23:53:28 | BigBambi | i know :) |
| 23:53:40 | Mikachu | heh, i only find one store in sweden on a quick search, 180£ |
| 23:53:58 | BigBambi | well, this was from ebay |
| 23:54:05 | BigBambi | but for £60 I'll take the punt |
| 23:54:08 | * | amiconn wonders what currency this is |
| 23:54:14 | BigBambi | gb pound |
| 23:54:28 | amiconn | ah |
| 23:54:28 | BigBambi | £60 is roughly 90 euroi |
| 23:54:35 | amiconn | I can only see strange character pairs here |
| 23:54:37 | BigBambi | *euro |
| 23:54:44 | Mikachu | i don't even know what charset i have set for this channel now :) |
| 23:54:49 | BigBambi | ah |
| 23:55:01 | dan_a | BigBambi: Nice price! Most of the ones I've seen have been about 90GBP |
| 23:55:09 | preglow | i see £ |
| 23:55:11 | preglow | so i guess it's utf8 |
| 23:55:30 | preglow | everybody should use utf8, so change your settings! |
| 23:55:48 | BigBambi | Yeah, I was pleased - I use my H1x0 all the time, but have been half looking for a gigabeat since everyone here seems to like them - for 60 gbp it is a nice backup |
| 23:55:48 | Lear | Hrm, I got complaints when I used that... |
| 23:56:00 | preglow | Lear: you need to ignore the complaints |
| 23:56:18 | BigBambi | preglow, is the problem at my end or others? |
| 23:56:24 | Lear | Well, it was from Linus, so it wasn't just anyone... |
| 23:56:33 | BigBambi | I have no idea what my system is set to |
| 23:56:37 | * | petur bought an 80GB disk and new battery for his h340 today |
| 23:56:37 | preglow | i told the few people i still speak to in norwegian to either switch or just read my gibberish for as long as they want, and lo and behold, now they use utf8 :> |
| 23:56:40 | amiconn | preglow: Can you tell me how to set windows to utf-8? ;) |
| 23:56:47 | preglow | BigBambi: not your end, that's for sure |
| 23:56:52 | preglow | amiconn: your irc client should be able to do it |
| 23:57:06 | amiconn | The client uses what the os uses. No separate setting |
| 23:57:07 | BigBambi | OK, cool - does this mean WinXP is correct by default :) |
| 23:57:10 | dionoea | hum, anyone with access to the svn accounts list ? (do i still have an account?) |
| 23:57:13 | petur | Nettalk does it correctly |
| 23:57:17 | preglow | amiconn: really now, most clients can do it, though |
| 23:57:31 | preglow | amiconn: windows is unicode internally, just not utf8, as you probably now |
| 23:57:41 | amiconn | Yes I know |
| 23:58:50 | dionoea | Bagder: ? |
| 23:58:53 | Mikachu | minus points for hydra irc, irssi and xchat can set charsets per channel :) |
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