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| 00:01:03 | Introspector | Hi@all |
| 00:01:10 | hj | Is there anybody except me that think the sensitivity on the thumbwheel of my Nano is a bit too high. I've created a patch which add a setting under system to specify the sensitivity of it. |
| 00:01:28 | Mikachu | yes |
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| 00:05:01 | Introspector | I have several problems with rockbox |
| 00:05:09 | Introspector | installed it one hour ago |
| 00:05:42 | Introspector | my iAudio x5 is no longer displayed in the windows explorer |
| 00:06:01 | preglow | does it run rockbox fine? |
| 00:06:23 | Introspector | as I wrote |
| 00:06:29 | Introspector | several problems |
| 00:06:43 | Introspector | can't go to the general settings menu |
| 00:06:59 | Introspector | just have the sound setting menu |
| 00:07:13 | Introspector | and just access to the music folder |
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| 00:07:21 | markun | Bagder: when I wrote Toshiba Matsushita a long while ago about the LCD driver IC used in one of their modules they told me they couldn't answer me because I'm not a company. Do you think haxx can inquire for us? |
| 00:07:55 | preglow | brb |
| 00:08:05 | Introspector | ok |
| 00:12:11 | Shaid | what’s a good editor for *nix these days? |
| 00:12:17 | Shaid | or should I stick to vim |
| 00:13:15 | swimmer | ok guys |
| 00:13:23 | XavierGr | well Shaid I can see your apostrophe but the double quote is a black box on me... :P |
| 00:13:24 | swimmer | I resolved my problems with the playlists |
| 00:13:52 | swimmer | a simple "recode latin1 /media/iriver/PLAYLISTS/*.m3u" gave me readable playlists :) |
| 00:13:54 | markun | swimmer: were you the one with the UTF-8 problems? |
| 00:14:07 | swimmer | markun: no idea ... |
| 00:14:22 | swimmer | when was this problem? |
| 00:14:33 | markun | I read something in the logs today |
| 00:14:33 | swimmer | I was talking this afternoon t a few guys here |
| 00:14:48 | swimmer | about what precisely? |
| 00:14:53 | linuxstb_ | midgey: Yes, I have a Universal binary of rbutil. |
| 00:15:49 | markun | swimmer: it was swima, I guess that is you |
| 00:16:00 | swimmer | yes indeed - this was me |
| 00:16:12 | swimmer | I resolved as described above |
| 00:16:18 | swimmer | kind a weird story |
| 00:16:24 | swimmer | but now it is solved |
| 00:16:50 | markun | and you are sure your default encoding is set to UTF-8? |
| 00:17:14 | pixelma | Introspector: sorry for the silly question but are you using the sub pack? |
| 00:17:17 | markun | let me first check what recode does.. |
| 00:17:51 | Introspector | no silly question |
| 00:17:53 | Introspector | no |
| 00:17:53 | swimmer | if I look at "General Settings -> Display -> Default Codepage" it says yes |
| 00:18:13 | Introspector | I have installed the daily firmware |
| 00:18:23 | Introspector | could'nt find a stable one |
| 00:18:40 | pixelma | Introspector: no I meant the thing for USB access |
| 00:18:40 | markun | swimmer: and the playlists didn't work with the Default Codepage set to latin1? (iso-8859-1) |
| 00:19:01 | miso91 | 7 hours of charging and still no sign of a working iPod Nano (1G). |
| 00:19:04 | swimmer | and *after* processing 'recode latin1' file says still that it is "UTF-8 Unicode text" |
| 00:19:04 | miso91 | -__- |
| 00:19:07 | Introspector | i have usb access. 5 min. ago i tried it again |
| 00:19:10 | Introspector | and it worked |
| 00:19:14 | swimmer | markun: no |
| 00:19:20 | markun | swimmer: sounds like it was double encoded then.. |
| 00:19:35 | swimmer | markun: possibly |
| 00:19:43 | Introspector | I deinstalled rockbox |
| 00:19:51 | Introspector | doesn't work well |
| 00:19:54 | Introspector | :-( |
| 00:20:13 | swimmer | markun: but now I deleted all files on the iriver and copied them again and did the recode processing and now all is readable |
| 00:20:28 | markun | swimmer: well, happy to hear that |
| 00:20:48 | pixelma | Introspector: ok then, never heard of your other problems and don't have an X5 myself - but I thought Rockbox runs quite well on it |
| 00:21:01 | swimmer | markun: before I did the recode processing I made sure that all files are utf-8 encoded by using vim with "set fileencoding=utf-8" |
| 00:21:18 | swimmer | this may have avoided some double encoding indeed |
| 00:21:19 | markun | swimmer: if you rename all your playlists to .m3u8 you can change the default codepage if you want |
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| 00:21:30 | Introspector | is there any stable evrsion for iaudio x5? |
| 00:21:35 | Introspector | couldn't find |
| 00:21:46 | swimmer | markun: I tried to rename a few of the playlists with no success |
| 00:21:57 | swimmer | markun: so I weny on with .m3u |
| 00:22:17 | swimmer | markun: and if you create new playlists you get .m3u files as well |
| 00:22:35 | swimmer | even with "Default Codepage=unicode" |
| 00:22:53 | linuxstb_ | midgey: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rbutil-r12457.dmg - it still needs work to make it Mac-friendly, but it seems to work. |
| 00:22:59 | swimmer | markun: and to what do you want me to change it now? |
| 00:23:09 | swimmer | markun: it still is unicode .... |
| 00:23:25 | preglow | Introspector: there is no stable version, it's still under development, but the daily build should work fine |
| 00:23:58 | Introspector | ok, thany |
| 00:24:02 | Introspector | thanx |
| 00:24:06 | Introspector | I'll try again |
| 00:24:24 | Introspector | cause the sound quality was improved with RB |
| 00:24:33 | Introspector | and nice features |
| 00:25:01 | preglow | rockbox should not make you lose usb if you did the isntall successfully, at least |
| 00:25:14 | preglow | we've got several people who successfully use rockbox on x5 |
| 00:25:28 | Introspector | yes I know |
| 00:25:42 | Introspector | mabe murphy's law ;) |
| 00:25:47 | Introspector | maybe |
| 00:25:53 | markun | swimmer: if the m3u files work now with the codepage on unicode they should also work when you rename them to .m3u8 (with any default codepage) but you can just leave it like this. |
| 00:26:40 | swimmer | ok |
| 00:27:31 | swimmer | thanks for your efforts |
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| 00:31:13 | m0s- | if I had previous playlists made in itunes how do I retreieve them in RB |
| 00:31:33 | hcs | I do not know of a way. |
| 00:31:42 | linuxstb_ | You need to export them to standard .m3u files - I think there are itunes plugins to do that. |
| 00:32:30 | erictherad | guys. my ipod doesn't like rockbox and i don't know what to do :( |
| 00:32:49 | Shaid | which ipod? |
| 00:32:55 | erictherad | 4g |
| 00:33:00 | erictherad | black/white |
| 00:33:08 | m0s- | time for a new one |
| 00:33:14 | m0s- | ;) |
| 00:33:30 | erictherad | well its firmware worked fine. and rockbox was working fine for awhile |
| 00:33:32 | Shaid | what exactly isn’t working about it, erictherad? |
| 00:33:57 | erictherad | i messed with it, put some music on it, and let it recharge since my ipod's been dormant for awhile |
| 00:34:38 | erictherad | and i've left it plugged in with it showing that it's fully charge, and now it keeps saying that it's loading rockbox |
| 00:34:58 | Shaid | you’ve done a hardreset on it? |
| 00:35:01 | erictherad | i unplug it, still says it's loading. hold menu+select and it waits like a minute to reboot |
| 00:35:10 | erictherad | if that's menu+select than yea 8( |
| 00:35:17 | Shaid | yeah |
| 00:35:19 | erictherad | er then |
| 00:35:50 | erictherad | it goes to the now playing screen, immediately shuts off, shows the apple logo, does the whole rockbox initializing thing, and says it's loading forever |
| 00:36:15 | pixelma | m0s-: maybe an idea... http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8039.0 ? |
| 00:36:16 | Introspector | still problem with RB and iAudio X5 |
| 00:36:34 | Introspector | can't find the general settings menu |
| 00:36:42 | Shaid | that’s odd, erictherad |
| 00:36:49 | m0s- | where are the playlists held on the ipod? |
| 00:37:15 | linuxstb_ | Rockbox stores them in plain .m3u text files, Apple's firmware stores them in the itunesdb. |
| 00:37:20 | pixelma | Introspector: I think it is a short press of "rec" on X5 |
| 00:37:59 | Introspector | thanx! |
| 00:38:00 | m0s- | so linux I can't retrieve them from the itunesdb can I? |
| 00:38:01 | erictherad | should i reinstall rockbox or something? |
| 00:38:13 | Shaid | worth a shot I guess |
| 00:38:19 | Shaid | something may have gone kookoo |
| 00:38:48 | hcs | m0s-: I don't know if iTunes can export them to m3u, but several other programs can |
| 00:39:09 | pixelma | Introspector: you can find a manual here: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml (downloadable or online versions) - worth a try :) |
| 00:39:13 | m0s- | no I wanted ones from the ipod directly not the itunes but I think I got something |
| 00:39:16 | erictherad | alright. guess i'll try that in a little bit. thanks for your time |
| 00:39:20 | hcs | m0s-: try http://www.ericdaugherty.com/dev/itunesexport/ ? |
| 00:39:25 | | Part erictherad |
| 00:39:31 | Introspector | yes, i just downloaded it *g* |
| 00:39:46 | m0s- | I'm using xplay |
| 00:40:14 | hcs | 'k, I'm just going to shut up and stop being unhelpful now |
| 00:40:27 | Introspector | how can I find out the capacity of my battery? |
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| 00:45:20 | B123 | hey everyone, I was jw how i can get artwork to show in Rockbox, anyone care to help? |
| 00:46:21 | linuxstb_ | Use one of the unsupported builds which include the Album Art patch. |
| 00:46:34 | fasmaie | Or build it yourself |
| 00:47:06 | B123 | I think i am, im using the latest. j something build, can't remember what really but im not sure how to actualy GET the album art work to show. |
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| 00:47:45 | B123 | Not sure if im doing something wrong, or if my build doesn't have it, I was jw how i would know |
| 00:48:04 | m0s- | pixel |
| 00:48:07 | m0s- | thanks for the link |
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| 00:48:14 | linuxstb_ | Have you saved your album art as .bmp files in the album folders? |
| 00:48:52 | B123 | Some i believe so, but it comes upand 404 album in jClix. they might be JPG's tho, and what should the file name be just COVER |
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| 00:49:01 | linuxstb_ | B123: Seen this page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt |
| 00:49:11 | B123 | nope! |
| 00:49:52 | B123 | thanks! |
| 00:51:11 | B123 | also one other question. the mpeg player doesn't want to load my videos to well |
| 00:51:13 | B123 | any idea why? |
| 00:52:02 | linuxstb_ | What's the exact problem? |
| 00:52:10 | B123 | well |
| 00:52:15 | B123 | I go and i open he file |
| 00:52:15 | B123 | and ti says |
| 00:52:17 | B123 | buffering |
| 00:52:23 | B123 | and then just goes back to the file screen |
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| 00:52:53 | linuxstb_ | What resolution are they? DId you re-encode them to the size of your player's LCD? |
| 00:53:05 | B123 | you have to do that =/ |
| 00:53:27 | linuxstb_ | Of course... See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
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| 00:54:03 | B123 | Thanks again |
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| 00:56:22 | Soap | pixelma: I'm very happy for you, Muffin is quite generous. |
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| 00:57:08 | pixelma | thanks - and I think so, too :) |
| 00:59:06 | Soap | miso91: If it has been 7 hours, I would beging to suspect your USB cable and/or your USB port. |
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| 00:59:48 | m0s- | this search tool is so nice! |
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| 01:00 |
| 01:01:12 | Soap | It is entirely possible, miso91, that your iPod battery has bit the big one. However, the behavior you described is not uncommon at all for iPods, and quite common for Nanos. I really think trying to charge on another USB port (not an internal or external hub) on (preferably) another computer is your best next step. If that doesn't work trying someone elses cable would be my next step. |
| 01:01:42 | Soap | Then you can always start talking battery replacement, Apple Store service, or selling it to me for $25 a gig ;) |
| 01:02:09 | Soap | But, all joking aside, I really do suspect a lack-o-charge situation. |
| 01:02:11 | * | linuxstb_ will sell Soap his 60GB Color for $25 a gig |
| 01:02:31 | * | hcs will sell his for $20 a gig, beat that |
| 01:02:47 | Introspector | wow! radio sound improved dramatically with rockbox |
| 01:03:24 | Introspector | at the moment "Snow Patrol" *g* |
| 01:03:37 | preglow | everything does |
| 01:03:40 | preglow | welcome to wonderland |
| 01:03:50 | Mikachu | preglow: did you complain about split screen in irssi the other day? |
| 01:04:43 | Introspector | *gg* |
| 01:05:47 | preglow | Mikachu: don't think so |
| 01:05:50 | preglow | i never use it |
| 01:05:52 | Mikachu | okay |
| 01:06:39 | Mikachu | i just told another guy how to set it up to show the input line directly below the active window instead of the bottom of the screen, and i thought you complained about that |
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| 01:07:20 | * | preglow strokes logf |
| 01:07:31 | * | Mikachu takes a few steps back |
| 01:07:33 | preglow | Mikachu: don't think i did |
| 01:07:49 | Mikachu | must have been someone else then :) |
| 01:08:37 | | Part redbreva |
| 01:10:17 | preglow | i sure hope so |
| 01:10:41 | Mikachu | i could even have dreamed it |
| 01:11:32 | preglow | in that case i wish you more eventful dreams in the future |
| 01:11:40 | preglow | dreaming about irssi seems like a waste ;) |
| 01:11:46 | Mikachu | haha, yes. thanks |
| 01:13:03 | preglow | is it just me or does logfdump display lines backwards? |
| 01:13:08 | preglow | that is, in reverse order |
| 01:13:19 | Introspector | good night |
| 01:13:44 | m0s- | my headphones are not as loud is the settings in RB available to make it louder? |
| 01:14:05 | preglow | m0s-: well, you can tweak the volume as high as you can, but apart from that, no |
| 01:14:11 | preglow | if you use replaygain, you can set the preamp higher |
| 01:14:17 | zylche | The horse is in the stable. |
| 01:14:25 | preglow | zylche: roger that, the falcon has landed |
| 01:14:51 | m0s- | ok cool |
| 01:15:01 | m0s- | I was hoping the bass would change a bit more too |
| 01:15:07 | m0s- | I ahve studio headphones |
| 01:15:08 | m0s- | :( |
| 01:15:29 | m0s- | where is the replaygain? |
| 01:15:33 | preglow | what dap do you have? |
| 01:15:40 | preglow | replaygain is in the playback menu |
| 01:15:49 | preglow | your files need to be replaygain tagged for it to work |
| 01:15:59 | preglow | you'll have distortion anyway, studio headphones aren't really meant for use with daps |
| 01:15:59 | m0s- | ipod |
| 01:16:03 | preglow | too weak output amps |
| 01:16:33 | m0s- | oh how do I get my files replaygain tagged? |
| 01:16:37 | preglow | it won't help |
| 01:16:59 | preglow | if the output level is still not good at max volume, there's nothing you can do but buy a headphone amplifier or buy other headphones with a higher impedance |
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| 01:17:25 | m0s- | QURNJ7LSUM4SCTXXH38W |
| 01:17:27 | m0s- | oops |
| 01:17:32 | m0s- | http://www99.shopping.com/xPO-AKG-AKG-K240S |
| 01:17:34 | m0s- | those are the ones |
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| 01:17:57 | preglow | yeah, i've used a pair of those lots, and they're really silent |
| 01:18:02 | preglow | nice sound, but silent |
| 01:18:09 | preglow | you need a headphone amp to drive them properly with an ipod |
| 01:18:31 | m0s- | yes the sound quality is amazing |
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| 01:21:11 | preglow | GARGH |
| 01:21:12 | preglow | i am an idiot |
| 01:22:16 | Mikachu | what did you do this time? |
| 01:23:00 | preglow | random tomfoolery in settings.c |
| 01:23:25 | markun | preglow: why this time? |
| 01:24:44 | preglow | why what this time? |
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| 01:26:28 | markun | preglow: the connection here was lagging.. my question looks a bit out of context in the logs :) |
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| 01:26:58 | preglow | hahah |
| 01:27:07 | preglow | i get it |
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| 01:28:21 | miso91 | Soap, I'll try that. |
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| 01:41:30 | preglow | jhMikeS: the moment i start adding #defines for the command parameter of the callback, sound.c needs to know about dsp.h again :-) |
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| 01:44:49 | preglow | jhMikeS: also, i think i agree with amiconn in 7000hz being a bit high, i liked 6000hz better |
| 01:45:24 | Soap | m0s-: I believe preglow brainfarted. You don't want higher impedance headphones, you want lower impedance headphones. |
| 01:46:07 | Soap | Though 55ohm should be right in the sweet spot for an iPod, and their sensitivity appears not bad either. I am suprised they are too quiet just looking at the specs. |
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| 01:47:12 | preglow | ahh, yes |
| 01:47:13 | MonkeyTamer | ? I had thought ipods need higher impedance |
| 01:49:28 | Soap | higher than 16 |
| 01:49:42 | Soap | but lower than 100 in my experience. |
| 01:49:52 | MonkeyTamer | Oh, that certainly makes sense |
| 01:50:21 | Soap | seperate issues. first is the poor bass reproduction on sub 32 ohm loads. Second is the weak amp that struggles on high impedance loads. |
| 01:50:47 | MonkeyTamer | sounds like an approach-avoidance situation |
| 01:51:36 | MonkeyTamer | how did they manage to carry over that design flaw for so many "generations"? |
| 01:53:28 | Soap | I think the high-impedance problem was a concious decision not to drive headphones owned by 1 percenters. I think the low-impedance issue is a design calculation (to sub-size the capacitors) which bit them in the butt. That issue has gotten better since the 3rd gens. Rember also that before the iPods 16 ohm phones were _much_ less common. |
| 01:54:03 | Soap | 80 ohm phones used to be considered low-impedance. |
| 01:54:51 | Soap | But that ^^ is all speculation on my part. I have no real insight. |
| 01:55:05 | MonkeyTamer | perhaps it has to do with the ubiquitous nature of earbuds these days |
| 01:55:34 | MonkeyTamer | I haven't seen many earbuds higher than 64 ohms if I recall correctly |
| 01:55:44 | preglow | the bass problem is definitely from wanting to use a lower-capacticance cap, yes |
| 01:55:50 | preglow | they get large |
| 01:56:03 | preglow | capacitance... |
| 01:56:12 | MonkeyTamer | that makes sense |
| 01:56:34 | amiconn | Soap: The low-impedance problem on ipods is just repeating mistakes of other hardware which went through the same problem |
| 01:56:44 | amiconn | Obviously apple didn't pay attention |
| 01:57:23 | MonkeyTamer | some of the design flaws are pretty obvious too... I'm just glad I'm going to get rid of my ipod color soon |
| 01:57:24 | amiconn | The archos players also had problems with bass reproduction on low-impedance headphones −− that was before Y2K (!)... |
| 01:57:24 | m0s- | I just want the bass I get from my stereo speakers |
| 01:57:35 | amiconn | They fixed that in a later hardware revision |
| 01:58:27 | MonkeyTamer | How does the gigabeat fair with the impedance, as I seem to hear about that device so frequently? |
| 01:59:47 | preglow | amiconn: which archoses did alarm, again? |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:14 | amiconn | fm and v2 recorders, and the v1 with a slight hardware mod |
| 02:01:27 | preglow | the alarm code is weird in places |
| 02:01:31 | preglow | in addition to not working correctly |
| 02:02:00 | Domonoky | which screen resolution has the ipod 3g ? |
| 02:02:04 | amiconn | That's quite possible, I never had a chance to test it yet |
| 02:03:05 | linuxstb_ | Domonoky: Same as the 4g and h1x0 |
| 02:03:17 | Domonoky | oki.. thx |
| 02:03:33 | preglow | amiconn: btw, i've redone sw tone controls now so should be less glitchy |
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| 02:03:40 | preglow | i'll toss up a patch in the near future |
| 02:03:44 | linuxstb_ | Domonokyt: BTW, I've just uploaded my Mac OS X build of rbutil to the RockboxUtility wiki. |
| 02:03:55 | * | Domonoky is beginning to code a theme installer for rbUtil.. |
| 02:03:58 | Domonoky | nice.. |
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| 02:04:58 | linuxstb_ | Something that could be useful (for both Rockbox and the bootloader) is to allow the user to choose a file, instead of only downloading. |
| 02:05:42 | Domonoky | jeah, would be usefull |
| 02:06:07 | preglow | amiconn: how much does one usually have to pay for a working hd based archos? |
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| 02:07:12 | preglow | i can't seem to find any working ones |
| 02:07:58 | luckz | you know what amazes me? |
| 02:08:26 | * | amiconn currently has 5 working hd-based archoses on his ebay watch list |
| 02:08:27 | luckz | when my pc goes all lol-BSOD or something on me, or I just reboot it while teh rockboX5 is still connected, I can't POST. |
| 02:08:33 | amiconn | ALl on ebay.de |
| 02:08:42 | luckz | eww germans :( |
| 02:09:11 | amiconn | I mainly want to find out for how much they go nowadays, but also one of them is an FM recorder, which I do not have yet.... |
| 02:09:17 | preglow | i'm not too keen on having to brush up on my german to buy something, heh |
| 02:09:23 | luckz | unplugging the "OK to disconnect" (occasionally "Connected") X5 allows it to POST. |
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| 02:09:40 | preglow | amiconn: didn't jörg have a bunch of archoses lying around? |
| 02:09:45 | luckz | preglow: you'll surely find enough people willing to translate online |
| 02:09:48 | amiconn | preglow: I think it largely depends on what type it is, and what disk is in it |
| 02:10:22 | amiconn | There's one 'buy now' offer of a recorder v1 upgraded to 100GB, for EUR 190 |
| 02:10:37 | amiconn | I think that's a fair price considering the 100GB |
| 02:10:42 | preglow | a little more than i'm willing to spend on something i'll just for testing, i'm afraid |
| 02:10:45 | preglow | heh |
| 02:10:55 | amiconn | Players should go for less |
| 02:11:14 | midgey | linuxstb: your build works great, im just having some problems building rbutil here |
| 02:11:33 | linuxstb_ | Are you using the Makefile.macosx file? |
| 02:11:35 | amiconn | I only recently restarted watching archoses on ebay, so I don't know the final prices nowadays |
| 02:11:42 | midgey | http://www.pastebin.ca/368382 |
| 02:11:45 | amiconn | yet |
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| 02:12:19 | pixelma | yes preglow - get a Player </bad joke> :P |
| 02:12:35 | amiconn | Not that bad... |
| 02:12:44 | preglow | haha |
| 02:12:46 | linuxstb_ | midgey: I think you should be using "make -f Makefile.macosx" (after changing the hard-coded paths at the top) |
| 02:12:51 | amiconn | The player still does the main job of a music player - it plays music |
| 02:12:56 | preglow | indeed |
| 02:12:57 | preglow | but just mp3 |
| 02:13:07 | linuxstb_ | (and mp2...) |
| 02:13:19 | amiconn | I doubt that any of the 'modern' targets are still running in 5 years |
| 02:13:24 | preglow | i have one ep in mp2, totaling seven tracks |
| 02:13:43 | amiconn | But anyway, I'll continue watching |
| 02:13:48 | MrAustin1337 | I see on rockbox.org information about svn changelog but no information about how to checkout the svn. Anyone have a quick svn url? |
| 02:13:49 | preglow | heh, we'll see |
| 02:13:57 | preglow | i have high hopes for my h120 |
| 02:14:21 | linuxstb_ | MrAustin1337: See the UsingSVN wiki page. |
| 02:14:47 | MrAustin1337 | linuxstb_, Thank you. |
| 02:15:08 | amiconn | The first one (a 20GB recorder v1) will end 25.02.07 16:20:53 CET, currently at EUR 50 |
| 02:15:56 | amiconn | Only shipping to germany, but that should be solvable |
| 02:16:36 | preglow | btw, anyone want to test ipod alarm? |
| 02:16:43 | amiconn | preglow: Yes, Jörg has a whole bunch of archoses, most of them defective, and without HD. It should be possible to put together a few working ones from the parts |
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| 02:17:11 | amiconn | But I don't think you would like one, as (iirc) most of them are players |
| 02:17:21 | preglow | hmm, ok |
| 02:17:29 | preglow | i thought i remember him mentioning some of them only lacked hds |
| 02:17:46 | amiconn | Very possible that it's just the hd |
| 02:17:59 | amiconn | 2.5" hdds shouldn't be a problem |
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| 02:25:42 | amiconn | preglow: A recorder v1 on ebay uk: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Archos-Jukebox-Recorder10-MP3-10GB-Excellent-Condition_W0QQitemZ320083425629QQihZ011QQcategoryZ73839QQcmdZViewItem |
| 02:29:56 | preglow | not exactly expensive... |
| 02:30:21 | amiconn | And one on ebay.com: http://cgi.ebay.com/ARCHOS-Jukebox-Recorder-10GB-USB-Hard-Disk-MP3-Player_W0QQitemZ130082036242QQihZ003QQcategoryZ41910QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 02:30:34 | amiconn | The 10GBs are USB1.1 though |
| 02:30:37 | preglow | for anyone interested: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/ipod_alarm.patch |
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| 02:31:11 | |Lupin| | Hello, everybody ! |
| 02:31:28 | |Lupin| | Anybody coming to FOSDEM ? |
| 02:31:52 | preglow | oooh, brussels |
| 02:32:05 | preglow | but no, i'm not |
| 02:32:20 | amiconn | linuxstb: Did you receive your AV300 meanwhile? |
| 02:32:33 | linuxstb | Yes, I've had it for a few weeks now. |
| 02:33:05 | linuxstb | preglow: Maybe HAVE_ALARM_MOD needs renaming... |
| 02:33:12 | pixelma | thought that was an waffle iron ;) |
| 02:33:36 | amiconn | ? |
| 02:33:50 | linuxstb | It arrived packed in a waffle iron box. |
| 02:33:56 | preglow | linuxstb: hehe, yeah |
| 02:33:59 | amiconn | hehe |
| 02:33:59 | preglow | i'll probably do that |
| 02:34:14 | linuxstb | HAVE_RTC_ALARM ? |
| 02:34:20 | preglow | sounds good |
| 02:34:33 | |Lupin| | So, nobody ? |
| 02:34:40 | preglow | |Lupin|: doesn't seem like it |
| 02:34:41 | amiconn | A recorder 20: http://cgi.ebay.com/Archos-Jukebox-Recorder-20_W0QQitemZ230095921287QQihZ013QQcategoryZ86541QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 02:35:45 | amiconn | And another one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ARCHOS-JUKEBOX-20-MP3-Player-Data-storage-Perfect_W0QQitemZ290085085009QQihZ019QQcategoryZ114620QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 02:36:32 | preglow | these are still recorder v1? |
| 02:36:33 | linuxstb | preglow: You didn't need to change anything in apps/ ? |
| 02:36:51 | preglow | linuxstb: i don't think so, i'll diff again to be sure |
| 02:37:20 | amiconn | preglow: Yes, but the 20GB are usb2.0 |
| 02:37:21 | linuxstb | A couple of warnings in drivers/rtc/rtc_pcf50605.c (ipod Color build) |
| 02:37:22 | daurnimator | linuxstb: you done anything with it yet? |
| 02:37:32 | preglow | linuxstb: nope |
| 02:37:35 | linuxstb | I installed medios... |
| 02:37:55 | linuxstb | And I've made a small start on the Rockbox port - there is a little code in SVN. |
| 02:37:55 | amiconn | I already found 2 more on ebay.com, plus a player |
| 02:38:04 | preglow | linuxstb: yeah, know about them |
| 02:38:27 | preglow | linuxstb: the rtc alarm api has some redundancies which aren't really used anymore any place |
| 02:38:27 | amiconn | ..and I'm only halfway through the 'archos' result list... |
| 02:38:58 | linuxstb | preglow: So does it auto-resume with the alarm, or does it need to be set manually? |
| 02:39:52 | amiconn | preglow: You'd need this mod for alarm on the v1: http://www.uwe-freese.de/hardware-projekte/rockbox/rtc_alarm_en.html |
| 02:40:07 | amiconn | (requires a transistor, 2 resistors and some wires) |
| 02:40:15 | preglow | linuxstb: autoresume |
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| 02:41:12 | * | linuxstb shuts down and waits 4 minutes |
| 02:41:29 | preglow | linuxstb: first thing i did before coding this was changing the increment to 1 :) |
| 02:41:40 | linuxstb | Not in the patch though... |
| 02:41:48 | preglow | amiconn: that's all? why isn't it enabled by default? |
| 02:41:58 | amiconn | Ask archos... |
| 02:42:06 | amiconn | The fm and v2 have it |
| 02:42:32 | preglow | linuxstb: i've got so much other altered stuff in apps/ i couldn't be bothered |
| 02:42:42 | preglow | i should consider using several source trees |
| 02:42:42 | linuxstb | np |
| 02:43:18 | amiconn | It seems that there's a law that forces dap manufacturers to put a few design flaws in their devices |
| 02:43:28 | preglow | haha, yeah, i noticed |
| 02:45:21 | JdGordon | its so they can keep releasing new versions |
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| 02:46:07 | * | amiconn thinks that if linuxstb starts working on the AV300, that might be strong motivation to work on playback engine unification, as the AV300 will be kind of "mixed codec" |
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| 02:46:18 | linuxstb | Hmm, not looking good for the alarm... |
| 02:46:53 | preglow | bhargh, i just tested it here and it worked great |
| 02:46:57 | preglow | i'll test again |
| 02:48:01 | linuxstb | I'll give it another go as well. |
| 02:48:11 | preglow | no |
| 02:48:12 | preglow | don't |
| 02:48:12 | preglow | don't |
| 02:48:18 | preglow | i've messed up |
| 02:48:20 | linuxstb | don't don't ? |
| 02:48:21 | preglow | new patch up soon |
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| 02:49:01 | preglow | i removed the bloody rtcwak bit toggle |
| 02:49:04 | JdGordon | is the pcd50605 the one used in the h300? |
| 02:49:09 | preglow | i should mess less around with wakeup flags at the last minute |
| 02:49:14 | preglow | JdGordon: they say so |
| 02:49:42 | linuxstb | JdGordon: The h300 has the pcf50606 IIRC (but they are virtually identical). |
| 02:49:43 | JdGordon | does this mean we might get alarm going in it soonish? (i assume a new bootloader would be needed first tho?) |
| 02:50:00 | preglow | linuxstb: no, that wasn't what i removed after all, it should work :/ |
| 02:50:11 | preglow | JdGordon: new bootloader first needed, yes |
| 02:50:17 | preglow | alarm code is ready apart from that |
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| 02:51:21 | JdGordon | :) |
| 02:51:30 | preglow | linuxstb: switch it on again and see if the alarm time readback works ok |
| 02:51:44 | linuxstb | Where's the alarm readback? |
| 02:52:17 | preglow | just go to the alarm screen and see if the time is the same as you set |
| 02:52:41 | linuxstb | It was. |
| 02:52:55 | preglow | hrmr |
| 02:53:07 | linuxstb | I've just shutdown again. |
| 02:53:20 | linuxstb | I got a message "alarm in 3 minutes" |
| 02:53:30 | preglow | perhaps the pcf revisions vary somewhat and i need to unmask the interrupt on yours |
| 02:54:16 | linuxstb | Just to make sure I'm not doing something stupid, I should just go to the Wake Up Alarm screen, set the time, press SELECT to accept, and then shutdown? |
| 02:54:23 | preglow | yes |
| 02:55:14 | linuxstb | I need to sleep now, but I'll give it a go on my 5g tomorrow, see if that's any more co-operative. |
| 02:56:26 | preglow | goodie |
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| 02:56:53 | linuxstb | I'll also try a clean SVN build on my Color - I'm running the COP patch at the moment. |
| 02:57:09 | linuxstb | But I would be surprised if that affected it. |
| 02:57:34 | preglow | me too |
| 02:57:50 | linuxstb | Well, not surprised, but confused... |
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| 03:00:19 | preglow | shit, i almost accidentally commited the wip sw tone controls |
| 03:00:26 | preglow | guess it's time for sleep for me too |
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| 03:07:17 | preglow | geh |
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| 03:07:38 | preglow | bloody annoying |
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| 03:10:50 | TrueJournals | Is there a page on the rockbox website somewhere that lists all the supported types of music files? |
| 03:11:00 | linuxstb | SoundCodecs |
| 03:11:17 | linuxstb | See the table at the bottom of the page, but it may be out of date now... |
| 03:11:32 | TrueJournals | ah, didn't see that table |
| 03:11:33 | TrueJournals | thanks |
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| 03:15:10 | TrueJournals | what would file extensions be for wavpack and shorten? |
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| 03:17:53 | TrueJournals | nevermind |
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| 04:28:50 | borntorock | i'm in desperate need of help!!! |
| 04:28:53 | borntorock | SOS |
| 04:29:15 | borntorock | hello? |
| 04:29:49 | Soap | ask the question. |
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| 04:30:23 | scorche | quite desperate, he was |
| 04:32:46 | perldiver | heh |
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| 04:33:28 | BornToFrag | #####SOS####### |
| 04:33:32 | BornToFrag | someone please help me |
| 04:33:46 | BornToFrag | pleeeeeeeezzzz |
| 04:33:46 | scorche | if you are going to keep doing that, people wont |
| 04:33:51 | BornToFrag | .....okay |
| 04:33:55 | Shaid | Just ask the question. |
| 04:34:01 | Shaid | Easiest way to get an answer. |
| 04:34:03 | BornToFrag | okay sir |
| 04:34:19 | BornToFrag | ok so i got my friend's ipodvideo to install rockbox |
| 04:34:31 | BornToFrag | i installed the bootloader and dailybuild |
| 04:34:38 | BornToFrag | and disconnected the ipod |
| 04:34:46 | BornToFrag | but then it got froze on the bootloader |
| 04:34:52 | BornToFrag | won't progress |
| 04:35:09 | scorche | what does it say? |
| 04:35:13 | BornToFrag | even if i force reset it, it would still get stuck there |
| 04:35:20 | BornToFrag | umm Rockbox: boot loader |
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| 04:35:38 | BornToFrag | Version: 20r1294-070204 |
| 04:35:45 | Vague_Rant | Is anyone aware of a BDF font editor for Windows other than FontForge? |
| 04:35:48 | BornToFrag | TOSHIBA MK8010GAH |
| 04:35:54 | hcs | doh |
| 04:35:57 | Soap | 80 GB ipods are not supported. |
| 04:36:02 | BornToFrag | omgggggggg |
| 04:36:04 | Soap | they don't work at this time. |
| 04:36:10 | BornToFrag | .....what can i do? |
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| 04:36:17 | scorche | uninstall rockbox |
| 04:36:35 | scorche | boot into disk mode |
| 04:36:36 | BornToFrag | but since it is stuck on that bootloader loading screen |
| 04:36:42 | scorche | boot into disk mode |
| 04:36:44 | BornToFrag | windows wont recognize it |
| 04:36:48 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK scorche |
| 04:36:48 | scorche | boot into disk mode |
| 04:36:52 | BornToFrag | how do i do that? |
| 04:36:54 | Soap | Not to rub it in, but says so on the front page, and in the manual, and the wiki install instructions. Pretty much anywhere you read install instructions it said "Ipod video 80 GB and second generation Nano not supported" |
| 04:37:06 | BornToFrag | i'm sorry to bother you guys |
| 04:37:20 | BornToFrag | but im gonna get killed by this kid if i say that i broke his ipod |
| 04:37:32 | scorche | you didnt break it |
| 04:37:37 | BornToFrag | ... |
| 04:39:00 | BornToFrag | how can i do this it wont recognize ipod in itunes |
| 04:39:03 | scorche | you didnt break it |
| 04:39:09 | scorche | errr |
| 04:39:12 | scorche | boot into disk mode |
| 04:39:26 | luckz | I think he has no clue how :p |
| 04:39:34 | BornToFrag | may i kindly ask how do i boot into disk mode? |
| 04:39:40 | scorche | google as well as our manual tells him |
| 04:39:41 | Ne-X-us | BornToFrag: http://ipodlinux.org/Key_Combinations |
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| 04:41:17 | BornToFrag | !!!!! |
| 04:41:22 | BornToFrag | i love you guys so much |
| 04:41:26 | BornToFrag | :) |
| 04:41:40 | BornToFrag | thank you |
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| 05:44:19 | MrAustin1337 | How do you turn off an iPod with rockbox installed. |
| 05:44:20 | MrAustin1337 | ? |
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| 05:45:08 | combrains | I don't have an ipod so all I can do is redirect you to the manual |
| 05:45:56 | scorche | MrAustin1337: hold play/pause |
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| 06:10:11 | combrains | are there any gb devs around? |
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| 06:16:47 | Soap | GameBoy or Gigabeat? Either way now is a slow hour for the developers. |
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| 07:30:00 | tyler_d | installing rockbox using mandriva.... ipodpatcher is not a usable format??? |
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| 07:30:46 | Vague_Rant | Massively lame question alert: How do I set text and background colors for my theme? |
| 07:31:35 | Vague_Rant | I couldn't find any mention of either on the site, on MisticRiver or with Google. |
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| 07:34:56 | midkay | menu - general settings - display - lcd settings - fg/bg colors? |
| 07:36:03 | Vague_Rant | Guh, dumb. The previous theme's backdrop is white. |
| 07:36:16 | Vague_Rant | How can I clear that? |
| 07:36:36 | midkay | clear backdrop, in the same menu :D |
| 07:37:04 | Vague_Rant | Of course. |
| 07:37:06 | Vague_Rant | Thanks so much. |
| 07:37:32 | midkay | no problem. :) |
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| 07:57:41 | JdGordon | happy bday :) |
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| 08:15:46 | midkay | JdGordon: sup with root menu? seems like all you need are some keymaps, right? |
| 08:25:54 | JdGordon | pretty much |
| 08:26:40 | JdGordon | midkay: i think its only the archos and gb keys we need |
| 08:26:52 | JdGordon | Ive done ipod and Barry sent me for a few others |
| 08:27:10 | midkay | JdGordon: dunno about giga.. what? gigabeat, haha.. got confused there. |
| 08:27:23 | midkay | ok, i can give archos since i've got/used one plenty if you want.. |
| 08:27:26 | JdGordon | also need the iriver remote keypads |
| 08:27:32 | JdGordon | please |
| 08:27:47 | JdGordon | bbl |
| 08:27:52 | midkay | as for the other couple keymaps, can't you just look at say, the main menu keymappings and translate them pretty closely? |
| 08:28:01 | midkay | let me know when you get back. |
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| 08:52:00 | midgey|birthday | JdGordon: thanks :) |
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| 09:04:53 | JdGordon | midkay: well, i think in all targets the standard context is used for the main menu, but 2 new actions are added which need to be dealt with seperalty.. and im not exactly sure what buttons ppl want to use |
| 09:05:47 | midkay | well, there should only be a few options, shouldn't be too hard to pick some standard keymappings. you can always change them later. |
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| 09:07:14 | LinusN | JdGordon: what actions are those? |
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| 09:13:33 | JdGordon | action_menu_stop and aciton-menu_wps .. but these could possibly be renamed because they should be the same button as action_tree_[stop|menu] |
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| 09:14:06 | * | JdGordon 's sister is wierd.. she thinks right in the root should retunr the the screen you entered root from |
| 09:14:46 | petur | right = back ? |
| 09:14:56 | JdGordon | yeah... |
| 09:15:14 | JdGordon | because you get to the root with left, so right is opposite... |
| 09:15:46 | JdGordon | i _think_ ... I couldnt quite get her to articulate why she didnt like the root menu :p |
| 09:16:07 | petur | probably because you made it |
| 09:16:13 | Bagder | haha |
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| 09:21:30 | LinusN | i really like the root menu |
| 09:22:13 | * | petur has to try it soon |
| 09:28:52 | GodEater | it's still in patch form currently correct ? |
| 09:29:08 | * | petur gets tired of people failing to set correct input source for recording. Maybe the input source should be shown on the rec screen (for some: in double-sized font, and flashing) |
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| 09:53:01 | jhMikeS | petur: something else was displayed there before but I don't recall what. also is that forum thread (...not stable...) still relevant or yet to be determined? |
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| 09:55:10 | petur | jhMikeS: am listening to a fresh recroding of yesterday evening :D - will close that forum thread, seems to be rockstable (pun intended) |
| 09:55:32 | petur | recording even |
| 09:57:16 | jhMikeS | :) |
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| 10:03:06 | GodEater | has anyone tested the rootmenu patch on a gigabeat yet ? |
| 10:04:51 | * | jhMikeS thinks he'll soon get to removing the extra check gunk to clean things up if everything is good |
| 10:05:28 | * | GodEater posts a bug report to FS |
| 10:05:59 | jhMikeS | GodEater: not a recording bug I hope! :0 |
| 10:06:24 | GodEater | no - root menu patch |
| 10:06:31 | jhMikeS | *whew* |
| 10:06:43 | GodEater | I think it would be unfair to post a bug about recording not working on the gigabeat |
| 10:06:48 | GodEater | given there's no input on it ;) |
| 10:06:57 | GodEater | I'm not holding you guys responsible for that |
| 10:07:42 | jhMikeS | well, then recording code should have no relevance |
| 10:08:10 | Shaid | that’d be an interesting bug... |
| 10:08:24 | GodEater | I wouldn't put it past someone to report it =/ |
| 10:08:42 | Shaid | haha |
| 10:08:47 | * | jhMikeS hates to think he wrote code so buggy it causes problems when not even compiled in the build :\ |
| 10:08:54 | GodEater | hehe |
| 10:08:55 | petur | it's a big bug made by toshiba engineers (or product managers probably) |
| 10:09:03 | hcs | guilt by association |
| 10:09:20 | jhMikeS | maybe it records through the headphone jack too :D |
| 10:09:40 | petur | I'm sure that if you feed it a loud enough signal,.... |
| 10:09:44 | * | petur ducks |
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| 10:30:23 | * | amiconn hands petur some tags: <h1><b><font color="red"><blink>Recording souce: mic</blink></font></b></h1> |
| 10:30:59 | * | LinusN hands amiconn a spell checker :-P |
| 10:31:14 | Bagder | it spells sauce ;-) |
| 10:31:18 | LinusN | lol |
| 10:31:23 | crashd | can the image viewer use all available pixels on the ipodvideo? |
| 10:31:48 | LinusN | i believe so |
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| 10:35:25 | Kasperle | what is the status with recording through a mic on the 5g/5.5g? anybody working on that? are there known obstacles? is there a general idea of whether it'd be simple or hard to do? |
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| 10:44:29 | linuxstb_ | Kasperle: Do you mean via the headphone socket? |
| 10:44:31 | GodEater | woo! No more yellow builds from me! |
| 10:45:15 | Kasperle | linuxstb_: yep |
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| 10:45:40 | GodEater | is the problem that it physically can't record via the headphone socket ? |
| 10:45:51 | * | GodEater seems to think it is |
| 10:46:57 | Kasperle | well, that might explain it not working ;) |
| 10:48:21 | GodEater | linuxstb_: your posts in the apple installs forum were making me chuckle this morning - esp. the thread where you just kept posting the google search for ipod disk mode over and over :) |
| 10:49:32 | Shaid | You spoilt the ending... |
| 10:49:42 | Shaid | No point reading now. |
| 10:49:48 | * | Shaid reads them anyway. |
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| 10:51:07 | GodEater | sorry Shaid |
| 10:52:32 | linuxstb_ | Kasperle: The only ipods we know that recording through the headphone jack works are the 4g and Photo (and maybe the 3g). One those ipods, you need to setup the headphone jack via a GPIO pin. Doing exactly the same on a 5g doesn't work, which could mean either recording via the headphone jack isn't possible, or it needs to be enabled in a different way. |
| 10:53:17 | linuxstb_ | But given that there are no official accessories for the 5g that record via the headphone socket (they use the dock connector), I'm guessing it simply isn't possible, but who knows... |
| 10:54:15 | linuxstb_ | But no-one seems to be working on ipod recording anyway. |
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| 11:07:55 | Kasperle | linuxstb_: it would be just like apple to disable such a useful feature to screw their customers over |
| 11:08:01 | Kasperle | thanks |
| 11:08:54 | linuxstb_ | I think it's simply that the 5g (and Nano) don't have the serial connector next to the headphone socket like earlier ipods (probably due to space), and accessories need access to both the line-in and serial port. |
| 11:08:55 | Kasperle | linuxstb_: recording through "line in" / the dock connector works, though? |
| 11:13:41 | linuxstb_ | It works, but it's not completely implemented - there are no gain controls, and someone needs to review how the ADC is being configured to make sure it's being done optimally. |
| 11:14:48 | linuxstb_ | The other main bug is that it breaks playback - you need to reboot after recording in order for playback to work. |
| 11:16:27 | Kasperle | i noticed that the scrollwheel doesn't work correctly on the recording screen. you have to brush over it repeatedly, instead of just putting your finger on and "rotating" it to change values for volume and gain (like it operates in menus/the file browser) |
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| 11:20:06 | linuxstb_ | That will just mean that it doesn't respect the "repeat" events. |
| 11:21:27 | linuxstb_ | And I guess that applies to all targets. |
| 11:21:36 | Kasperle | should i file a bug report? |
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| 11:22:51 | linuxstb_ | Maybe just mention it to petur first - he'lll know how the screen behaves on other targets. |
| 11:23:11 | linuxstb_ | i.e. maybe it's desirable on other targets to ignore repeat events. |
| 11:23:24 | Kasperle | ok |
| 11:23:31 | petur | the recording screen is somewhat special in that you select a row with up/down and then change it with left/right. Don't know how that is mapped to the scrollwheel |
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| 11:24:18 | * | petur discovers we have no more choices |
| 11:24:38 | Kasperle | on the ipod, you select the row by pressing "left/pref" and "right/next", the scrollwheel changes the values |
| 11:25:02 | linuxstb_ | petur: Do repeat events on left/right work when changing gain/volume? |
| 11:25:10 | petur | yes |
| 11:25:32 | petur | on my h340, up/down doesn't handle repeat, but left/right (val change) does |
| 11:27:36 | linuxstb_ | That's odd, the code doesn't seem to match that - the REPEAT actions aren't checked. |
| 11:27:47 | linuxstb_ | (for either) |
| 11:28:13 | petur | I just checked on my h340 and it does repeat |
| 11:29:30 | * | linuxstb_ looks around for JdGordon |
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| 11:31:54 | petur | linuxstb_: check apps/keymaps/keymap-h1x0_h3x0.c and all will become clear ;) |
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| 11:32:27 | petur | the action getd defined twice, once with and once without repeat |
| 11:32:41 | petur | s/getd/gets |
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| 11:33:17 | linuxstb_ | All I can see is ACTIONS_SETTINGS_INC and ACTIONS_SETTINGS_INCREPEAT in the keymap |
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| 11:33:44 | linuxstb_ | s/ACTIONS/ACTION/ |
| 11:34:53 | petur | line 240/241 |
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| 11:37:01 | linuxstb_ | I see... |
| 11:37:22 | linuxstb_ | Seems that the ipods just use the standard settings context, but the h1x0/h3x0 uses a special recording context. |
| 11:38:38 | linuxstb_ | So defining a recording context for the ipod would fix it. |
| 11:40:46 | petur | did some magazine or website say RB or IPL supports the nano 2nd gen? Friends of mine claimed they read that it does and I had a hard time convincing them otherwise |
| 11:41:13 | Shaid | haha. |
| 11:41:25 | Bagder | petur: I haven't seen any claiming that |
| 11:41:40 | Shaid | showing them on the website where it says “Nano 2nd gen not supported” doesn’t help? |
| 11:42:00 | petur | maybe they failed to read the 2nd gen part... oh well |
| 11:42:32 | * | petur sees lots of questionmarks where they don't belong |
| 11:42:42 | * | Shaid sighs |
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| 11:42:53 | ShaidKnowsHisKey | Damnit. |
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| 11:43:19 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 11:47:07 | Kasperle | i see inverse capital characters where they don't :D |
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| 11:47:44 | linuxstb_ | MrBadKeymap: Exactly the same as yesteray... |
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| 11:47:53 | linuxstb_ | And yesterday even. |
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| 11:48:36 | MrBadKeymap | I haven’t rebooted yet. |
| 11:49:13 | petur | install Win98 please |
| 11:49:15 | Mikachu | don't you just have to restart mirc to change the charset it uses? |
| 11:49:36 | linuxstb_ | It's not the charset, it's a keymap issue. |
| 11:49:56 | MrBadKeymap | Now why would I want to install Win98? |
| 11:50:10 | petur | makes you reboot from time to time :p |
| 11:50:22 | linuxstb_ | :) |
| 11:52:26 | MrBadKeymap | haha |
| 11:52:30 | MrBadKeymap | Uptime: [ 1wk 6days 8hrs 51mins 33secs ] Uptime Record: [ 6wks 1day 16hrs 19mins 59secs ] Set On: [04/23/2004 ] |
| 11:52:38 | MrBadKeymap | I’m just going two weeks... |
| 11:54:37 | * | linuxstb_ removes all the lcd_update() calls from the ipod bootloader and notices a much faster boot time, as well as a much nicer look |
| 11:55:34 | MrBadKeymap | I can(apostrophe)t wait until I can actually see what rockbox looks like on an actual device... |
| 11:55:40 | MrBadKeymap | Esp in colour. |
| 11:56:00 | Kasperle | even faster boot time? nice |
| 11:57:09 | linuxstb_ | If you want to try it, just remove the call to lcd_update() in the printf() function in bootloader/common.c |
| 11:57:46 | linuxstb_ | lcd_update() will still be called if there's a error, showing all the previous messages. |
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| 12:00:05 | linuxstb_ | MrBadKeymap: Have you tried the UI simulator? You can download them from http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ |
| 12:00:25 | MrBadKeymap | GodEater: In your The "My ipod install went wrong" Thread, you have it say: I need to know how to reset my iPod: part that you should For 4G, Minis, Nano, 5G and 5.5G - use the reset instructions above, then... |
| 12:00:33 | MrBadKeymap | above it how to reset is never mentioned |
| 12:00:40 | MrBadKeymap | infact it’s mentioned just below that line... |
| 12:00:56 | MrBadKeymap | linuxstb_: yeah I built the sim |
| 12:01:03 | MrBadKeymap | it’s not the same, though... |
| 12:01:30 | MrBadKeymap | thus the actual device bit in that line |
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| 12:02:06 | Kasperle | linuxstb_: AWESOME |
| 12:02:43 | bodbasher | well i do find the follwing quote from the wiki as to whether the ipod mini 2g is supported or not. |
| 12:02:48 | bodbasher | 19 July 2006 - Rockbox boots and appears to be stable on the iPod 4th gen (grayscale), iPod mini (1st gen and 2nd gen), iPod Color/Photo, the 1st Gen Nano and the Video. |
| 12:02:55 | LinusN | linuxstb_: will you add a way to force the output? |
| 12:03:02 | Mikachu | i'm not sure if my bootloader source is completely updated right, but there seems to be at least one place where it prints an error and doesn't call fatal_error() |
| 12:03:09 | MrBadKeymap | the ipod mini 2g is supported |
| 12:03:12 | MrBadKeymap | the nano 2g isn’t |
| 12:03:20 | * | Mikachu looks in viewsvn |
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| 12:04:03 | linuxstb_ | LinusN: I'm not sure it's needed. The bootloader button detection on the ipods is unreliable, and the hold switch (which is the only reliable input) is already used for both starting the original firmware, and resetting the settings in Rockbox... |
| 12:04:03 | bodbasher | ah, yes the "mini" is suported, i hate it when my eyes do that |
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| 12:04:23 | Vague_Rant | Hmm. Tad bit of help? |
| 12:04:42 | LinusN | linuxstb_: it could be needed to answer the question "which bootloader version do you have?" |
| 12:04:42 | Vague_Rant | I'm designing a wps, and I used "%x|a|background.bmp|0|0|" to display my background image, except it's a foreground image. |
| 12:04:50 | Vague_Rant | None of the text is visible any more. |
| 12:04:52 | Vague_Rant | Any ideas? |
| 12:04:58 | Mikachu | ah, fatal_error() is called further down, never mind then |
| 12:05:37 | LinusN | Vague_Rant: your bmp needs to have the color 255,0,255 where you want the text to show |
| 12:06:11 | Vague_Rant | Of course. I knew that. Stupid. |
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| 12:06:24 | linuxstb_ | LinusN: True, but so far every new bootloader release for the ipod has looked/behaved differently, so that can tell people the version. |
| 12:06:27 | Mikachu | surely the background image is always displayed at the bottom? |
| 12:06:58 | Mikachu | the tag is %X though, a big X |
| 12:07:14 | LinusN | linuxstb_: so far yes, but in the future? |
| 12:07:17 | Vague_Rant | I tried that and it just ignored it. |
| 12:07:25 | Vague_Rant | Everything after %X was plaintext. |
| 12:07:30 | LinusN | Vague_Rant: is it the correct size? |
| 12:07:34 | Vague_Rant | Yeah. |
| 12:07:39 | linuxstb_ | LinusN: It's just that I can't think of a way to do it... |
| 12:07:47 | linuxstb_ | So am arguing that it's not needed :) |
| 12:07:47 | Mikachu | Vague_Rant: it's %X|background.bmp |
| 12:07:56 | Mikachu | nothing more |
| 12:08:03 | Vague_Rant | No closing bar? |
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| 12:08:17 | Mikachu | that too |
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| 12:12:02 | linuxstb_ | LinusN: One way to get the bootloader version is simply to delete/rename the rockbox.ipod file... |
| 12:12:26 | linuxstb_ | If it's not found, then it's fatal error, and the bootloader displays the messages. |
| 12:12:30 | markun | LinusN: do you think haxx can ask for the details on a LCD driver IC used in the Gigabeat? Toshiba Matsushita doesn't want to give me any info because they only deal with companies. |
| 12:16:15 | Vague_Rant | Is it possible to limit the left or right limits of scrolling text? |
| 12:16:29 | Mikachu | yes and no |
| 12:16:32 | linuxstb_ | Only with the unofficial scroll-margins patch. |
| 12:16:39 | Vague_Rant | I see. |
| 12:16:49 | GodEater | MrBadKeymap: thanks - cut and paste error - I corrected it now! |
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| 12:24:41 | MrBadKeymap | GodEater: You’re welcome! |
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| 12:47:39 | LinusN | markun: what is the name of the module? |
| 12:48:58 | Vague_Rant | Dongs. |
| 12:49:01 | Vague_Rant | Dongs is the name of the module. |
| 12:50:03 | Mikachu | isn't dongs that annoying japanese guy? :) |
| 12:50:19 | LinusN | doesn't sound like a model number to me |
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| 12:54:38 | Vague_Rant | Hard Gay? |
| 12:54:54 | Mikachu | no a guy who is in here sometimes :) |
| 12:55:02 | Vague_Rant | Oh. Hahah. |
| 12:55:56 | preglow | hadogei |
| 12:56:04 | Mikachu | he's awesome |
| 12:56:17 | preglow | heh |
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| 12:59:02 | Vague_Rant | Oh, wow. |
| 12:59:11 | Vague_Rant | I had no idea I was in this channel when I said that. |
| 12:59:17 | Vague_Rant | I thought I was saying it in #wikipedia. |
| 12:59:46 | Vague_Rant | "Dongs" is a catchcry of the GNAA, a group of trolls who come around #wikipedia once in a while. |
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| 13:00:04 | Mikachu | heh |
| 13:00:48 | linuxstb_ | LinusN: Are you planning to use a button press to show the bootloader messages for the irivers? |
| 13:01:32 | LinusN | linuxstb_: think so |
| 13:04:17 | linuxstb_ | I think we'll just have to live without it on the ipods, unless we get a much more reliable button driver in the bootloader. |
| 13:05:00 | Mikachu | the problem is that only the last button press is in the interrupt thingy? |
| 13:05:31 | Mikachu | maybe it would be easier to check for what area of the wheel is touched instead of a button press if that's the case |
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| 13:06:54 | linuxstb_ | The Rockbox bootloader uses the button driver from the old ipodlinux bootloader (loader1), we don't enable interrupts in the bootloader and hence can't use the main Rockbox driver. |
| 13:07:18 | linuxstb_ | But given all the other ipod flaws, the bootloader button driver hasn't been a priority for anyone. |
| 13:09:10 | GodEater | re: Google Summer of Code, are there people with enough spare time on their hands to act as suitable mentors ? |
| 13:09:58 | printfXh4 | No. |
| 13:10:48 | GodEater | it would seem that that's quite a key part of applying, and if we can't spare anyone with the smarts and the time - we're unlikely to succeed with an application ? |
| 13:11:47 | preglow | linuxstb_: did you test on 5g? |
| 13:12:39 | GodEater | does enabling interrupts in the bootloader really break loading of the original OS ? |
| 13:12:40 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Good timing, I'm just about to. I've just tested again on my Color, and still no luck. I'll now try the 5g. |
| 13:13:06 | preglow | Bagder: project 1: code a suitable malloc() with companions for use in rockbox |
| 13:13:10 | * | preglow flees |
| 13:13:15 | GodEater | hahahahaha |
| 13:13:38 | * | linuxstb_ can do that - #define malloc(x) NULL |
| 13:13:58 | GodEater | project 2: engineer suitable escape plan following succesful implementation of project 1 |
| 13:16:30 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: Enabling interrupts means remapping RAM, which means unmapping RAM before starting the original firmware. "rolo" does that now on the ipods, so it's no longer a problem, but wasn't somewhere I wanted to go 18 months ago when I was first working on the bootloader. |
| 13:17:00 | GodEater | ah - so it's not a show stopper - it's just a lot of work |
| 13:17:14 | linuxstb_ | Would "port Rockbox to the device of your choosing" be too vague for a SoC project? |
| 13:17:26 | preglow | i would think so |
| 13:17:45 | preglow | i think our chances of getting accepted are fairly good if we get up some proper projects |
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| 13:18:18 | linuxstb_ | The WMA codec ? |
| 13:18:23 | preglow | but i don't think "vague" should be one |
| 13:18:32 | GodEater | what we need is for google to acquire nVidia as part of their SoC funding, and then release all the PP datasheets |
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| 13:18:44 | preglow | linuxstb_: not bad, but isn't that more of an ffmpeg project? :> |
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| 13:19:03 | GodEater | viewports ? |
| 13:19:12 | linuxstb_ | "remove all traces of ffmpeg from the ffmpeg wma codec and convert it to fixed point" |
| 13:19:36 | linuxstb_ | USBOTG |
| 13:20:31 | linuxstb_ | Crack the encryption used by the Nano 2G and Zune |
| 13:22:13 | GodEater | do you think that's realistic, or are you trying to be funny ? |
| 13:22:28 | Mikachu | fix all open tasks in flyspray |
| 13:23:27 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: Political/legal concerns aside, it could be an interesting project for a cryptography student... |
| 13:24:02 | GodEater | is there such a thing as a cryptography student ? |
| 13:24:11 | GodEater | I don't recall it being offered when I went to Uni... |
| 13:24:28 | linuxstb_ | I would expect it to be part of high-level maths courses. |
| 13:24:29 | Kasperle | aside from that, did anyone try to crack open an ipod nano 2g and fetch the "1st stage" firmware from rom? |
| 13:24:35 | GodEater | and legal/political is really what I meant - I'm not sure Google could get involved |
| 13:25:03 | GodEater | Kasperle: I don't think anyone's managed that yet |
| 13:25:12 | preglow | there are people that study crypotgraphy, yes |
| 13:25:48 | GodEater | I wonder if they're taught practical cryptanalysis as part of that |
| 13:25:54 | GodEater | of whether it's all just theory |
| 13:25:58 | GodEater | s/of/or |
| 13:26:23 | * | GodEater can only imagine people like the NSA doing the practical aspects of it |
| 13:26:42 | GodEater | or very specialised corporations |
| 13:27:17 | linuxstb_ | It's just another branch of mathematics in my mind. |
| 13:27:20 | Kasperle | i think people in cambridge do a lot of RE stuff |
| 13:27:42 | GodEater | linuxstb_: yes - but the math is generally only the theory |
| 13:28:19 | GodEater | for example, I remember a couple of years back people announcing they'd found possible collisions in MD5 / SHA1 |
| 13:28:24 | GodEater | but no practical way to exploit them |
| 13:28:38 | GodEater | although I may be out of touch on that |
| 13:29:08 | GodEater | I'm quite interested in crypto, but sadly my math is sorely lacking |
| 13:29:10 | Kasperle | reducing complexity from 2**80 to 2**69 is technically "breaking" the hash, but still by no means practical ;) |
| 13:29:22 | GodEater | indeed |
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| 13:30:42 | linuxstb_ | But anyway, back to SoC, I accept such a project is unlikely to be accepted... |
| 13:33:13 | linuxstb_ | midgey: Happy birthday! Did you have any luck compiling rbutil? |
| 13:33:47 | Kasperle | was the crypto for older gen iPod firmware updates reversed? (the "aupd" files) |
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| 13:36:01 | Bagder | but austriancoder is right, we should collect such lists in the wiki |
| 13:36:08 | Bagder | for gsoc I mean |
| 13:37:23 | markun | LinusN: it's one of the LTM024D modules, but I will ask a Gigabeat X owners for the exact model number |
| 13:37:27 | pondlife | Quick bootloader question; where's the code that detects that boots the H300 firmware if power is connected. |
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| 13:38:55 | markun | LinusN: They didn't want to give the any info on the LTM022D311 which is in the Gigabeat F because it was a 'custom job' |
| 13:39:21 | markun | but since the init code for the F and X is the same I assume the LCD driver IC is the same |
| 13:39:46 | * | linuxstb_ is feeling a dangerous urge to play with the flash on his ipod |
| 13:39:47 | markun | and the LTM024D is listed on their site (but not the LTM022D) |
| 13:43:37 | preglow | ! |
| 13:44:21 | preglow | linuxstb_: would be absolutely gorgous to be rid of that bloody apple logo... |
| 13:44:48 | pondlife | LinusN: Sorry, I'll rephrase my question into English... Where is the bootloader code that boots the H300 firmware if power is connected? |
| 13:45:43 | Winchester | hmmmmmmmmm.... any reason I could get "main.c:210: error: ‘LANG_TAGCACHE_INIT’ undeclared (first use in this function)"? |
| 13:46:03 | Vague_Rant | OK, so. Is there a way to substitute a series of dissimilar bmps for a progress bar? |
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| 13:46:19 | Vague_Rant | As in, not one looping image, but a progress bar which constantly changes. |
| 13:46:34 | Vague_Rant | From left to right, not in terms of animation. |
| 13:47:13 | Vague_Rant | Something like an if statement, if progress is at 24%, output 24.bmp |
| 13:47:20 | markun | linuxstb_: will you still be able to use the USB mode then? |
| 13:47:32 | Vague_Rant | Or more, if progress > 24%, output 24.bmp |
| 13:47:35 | pondlife | Vague_Rant: No, I don't think so |
| 13:48:20 | linuxstb_ | markun: I would need to keep the existing Apple code (for now at least), but hook in some Rockbox code - similar to how the iriver bootloader works IIUC. |
| 13:48:51 | Bagder | Winchester: a bad patch perhaps? |
| 13:49:13 | Bagder | there are 56 builds that don't have that problem... |
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| 13:52:22 | Winchester | Badger: nuh unpatched clean source |
| 13:52:51 | Winchester | could trying to compile the voice version cause it? |
| 13:52:52 | Bagder | Winchester: and that's the first error? building for what target with what gcc version? |
| 13:53:00 | Bagder | voice version? |
| 13:53:44 | Bagder | you mean you want to build voices? then plain 'make' is not what you want |
| 13:53:53 | Winchester | oh |
| 13:53:56 | Winchester | yeah that's what I meant |
| 13:54:01 | Bagder | but "make voice" |
| 13:54:18 | Winchester | ah ok, thanks |
| 13:54:36 | Bagder | I consider that a minor flaw but I haven't cared enough to fix ;-) |
| 13:54:57 | Winchester | heh |
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| 14:08:02 | LinusN | pondlife: it doesn't check the power, it checks the ON button(s) |
| 14:13:05 | Vague_Rant | Does anyone feel like telling me what each of these four numbers refer to? |
| 14:13:07 | Vague_Rant | %pb|10|9|211|142| |
| 14:13:53 | midkay | check the CustomWPS page on the wiki. |
| 14:14:36 | Vague_Rant | I'm pretty sure it's a patch feature, not something in the original Rockbox. |
| 14:14:43 | preglow | linuxstb_: it didn't wake up from alarm? :/ |
| 14:15:08 | Bagder | Vague_Rant: then ask the patch author |
| 14:15:10 | midkay | Vague_Rant: i'm looking at the page right now and it's showing there are four parameters - seems official. |
| 14:15:21 | midkay | %pb|height|leftpos|rightpos|toppos| |
| 14:15:21 | Vague_Rant | Oh. My bad. |
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| 14:16:39 | markun | LinusN: do you think it's probably that all the LTM024D modules will include the same driver IC? |
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| 14:16:58 | markun | probable |
| 14:17:21 | preglow | best flyspray entry ever |
| 14:17:35 | markun | LinusN: some info: http://tmd-product.tmdisplay.com/index_e.cfm |
| 14:17:43 | midkay | preglow: which? |
| 14:17:48 | linuxstb_ | preglow: The Color still isn't, I'm just charging my 5g now - the battery was dead... |
| 14:17:53 | preglow | the one that just got posted |
| 14:18:03 | linuxstb_ | I'll give it a go now. |
| 14:18:42 | midkay | preglow: clipping light? |
| 14:18:45 | LinusN | markun: it says "custom product" on all of them |
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| 14:20:48 | markun | LinusN: how could I have missed that.. |
| 14:21:59 | MrBadKeymap | linuxstb_: As I’ve mentioned before, I’ve got a practically dead ipod that I’m willing to do whatever to, including firmware flashing |
| 14:22:19 | MrBadKeymap | only downside is I probably wont see what anything does... |
| 14:22:38 | dmdfan | If I want a rockbox capable flash player with radio, is the best choice to order Sansa from US? or other small player for sporting activities mainly |
| 14:22:38 | Vague_Rant | So how exactly is "toppos" used? |
| 14:22:38 | MrBadKeymap | Until rockbox kicks in my maxed contrast setting I can’t see anything |
| 14:22:53 | Vague_Rant | I just set it to 12, and my progress bar certainly wasn't 12 pixels from the top of the screen. |
| 14:22:59 | Vague_Rant | It didn't really appear to move at all. |
| 14:23:24 | markun | preglow: what's so good about it? |
| 14:23:49 | preglow | markun: it doesn't contain anything? |
| 14:23:50 | pondlife | LinusN: Thanks |
| 14:23:52 | preglow | even the url is invalid |
| 14:23:52 | preglow | haha |
| 14:24:01 | LinusN | pondlife: what are you working on? |
| 14:24:25 | pondlife | Nothing much, just getting my head around the bootloader to see if I can help with USB bootloader mode |
| 14:24:33 | LinusN | i see |
| 14:24:44 | markun | preglow: no idea which one you are talking about then |
| 14:24:49 | preglow | haha |
| 14:25:02 | preglow | perhaps i'm the only one who got it, then |
| 14:25:07 | LinusN | nope |
| 14:25:12 | preglow | i just got a completely empty flyspray mail from mr_rabid_teddybear |
| 14:25:18 | preglow | no fields set and dead url |
| 14:25:38 | markun | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6689 |
| 14:26:04 | preglow | that's not how it looks here.. |
| 14:26:06 | bluebrother | got that FS mail too |
| 14:26:10 | preglow | in the mail, that is |
| 14:28:18 | dmdfan | I'll try again :) |
| 14:28:19 | dmdfan | If I want a rockbox capable flash player with radio, is the best choice to order Sansa from US? or other small player for sporting activities mainly |
| 14:29:01 | bluebrother | dmdfan: the sansa has no sound yet |
| 14:29:05 | bluebrother | (in RB that is) |
| 14:29:07 | LinusN | dmdfan: afaik, there are no flash players with fm radio that runs rockbox with audio, except for the archos ondio |
| 14:29:29 | dmdfan | ok, i can wait |
| 14:29:42 | LinusN | the sansa will probably work in the future though |
| 14:29:45 | Mikachu | haha, reminds of that little britain sketch |
| 14:29:46 | aliask | Has anything further been discussed with Austria MS? |
| 14:30:27 | Bagder | aliask: they've set a date for their visit |
| 14:31:28 | aliask | Ah so I see. I obviously havn't been trolling the wiki recent updates enough. :) |
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| 14:48:30 | markun | linuxstb_, preglow: when are you going to collect the money? :) http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/Bounties#iPod_playback_support |
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| 14:57:27 | linuxstb_ | markun: :) Sadly it looks like those are just proposals for bounties, no actual cash... |
| 14:58:04 | markun | ah :) |
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| 15:00:41 | linuxstb_ | The ipod flash contents are interesting - right at the end of the flash, there's a little "directory" of images within the flash - "diag", "disk", "logo" and "vmsc". The directory entries contain offsets of those images within the flash, their lengths, a simple checksum, and what looks like the load address if they're copied to RAM and executed. |
| 15:02:59 | linuxstb_ | Two things could be interesting - copying the "disk" image to the start of RAM and executing it, instead of needing to reboot to enter disk mode; and replacing the "diag" image with our own code... |
| 15:03:50 | petur | go go go |
| 15:04:07 | markun | linuxstb_: is there a JTAG connector or something? |
| 15:04:15 | linuxstb_ | Yes. |
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| 15:04:26 | * | preglow is tempted |
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| 15:11:00 | MrBadKeymap | feel free to kill my ipod during testing. :D |
| 15:11:11 | MrBadKeymap | unless you want it sacrificed to the battery life tests. |
| 15:11:13 | * | MrBadKeymap shrugs |
| 15:12:50 | linuxstb_ | preglow: No sign of alarm life on my 5g either... I'll try a clean SVN. |
| 15:13:14 | preglow | bHARGH |
| 15:13:38 | linuxstb_ | Has anyone else tried it? |
| 15:13:46 | preglow | i must have left something out of the patch or something |
| 15:18:02 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 15:18:40 | linuxstb_ | If anyone wants to dump their ipod's flash (and give me a copy - e.g. a Nano user....), run this plugin - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipod_flash.c |
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| 15:22:01 | preglow | will do |
| 15:22:19 | linuxstb_ | MrBadKeymap: Sorry for not replying... I may very well be interested if I decide to give flashing a try. Where is the world are you? |
| 15:22:26 | * | preglow wants decent disassembler tools for linux :/ |
| 15:22:30 | linuxstb_ | ^in the world |
| 15:22:33 | Kasperle | linuxstb_: would an image of the 5.5g help you? |
| 15:22:36 | MrBadKeymap | Australia. |
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| 15:22:51 | MrBadKeymap | If you have a spare 4g greyscale screen, the pod would be working fine |
| 15:23:17 | linuxstb_ | No, I don't. But I may well send some test code your way in the future if you're willing... |
| 15:23:24 | MrBadKeymap | sure |
| 15:23:29 | Kasperle | preglow: for what arch? |
| 15:23:31 | MrBadKeymap | currently it’s just being a paperweight. |
| 15:23:54 | linuxstb_ | Kasperle: Sure, the more the better. |
| 15:24:21 | MrBadKeymap | You want full images of the 80g 5.5 too? |
| 15:24:54 | linuxstb_ | BTW, the above plugin should be safe - it just remaps the flash to 0x2000000, writes it to disk (/flash.bin), and then unmaps it again. |
| 15:25:03 | redbreva | linuxstb_: If you have that pre-compiled I can do you a Nano dump |
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| 15:25:19 | MrBadKeymap | let me go grab the 4g. |
| 15:25:22 | MrBadKeymap | might need to charge t. |
| 15:27:47 | MrBadKeymap | and ignore my 5.5g comment. it’s late and I can’t read. |
| 15:27:54 | linuxstb_ | redbreva: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipod_flash.rock |
| 15:28:54 | redbreva | Got it, just putting latest current build on there (just in case) |
| 15:29:26 | preglow | linuxstb_: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/flash.bin |
| 15:29:39 | preglow | linuxstb_: that's nano upgraded to final firmware |
| 15:30:01 | preglow | eh, latest |
| 15:30:21 | linuxstb_ | preglow: 403 forbidden... |
| 15:30:43 | linuxstb_ | It would also be interesting to know if two identical Nanos have an identical flash... |
| 15:30:44 | MrBadKeymap | I wonder how long I need to charge this for... |
| 15:31:01 | linuxstb_ | redbreva: Do you have the latest Apple firmware? |
| 15:31:03 | preglow | bah |
| 15:31:26 | preglow | now |
| 15:31:44 | aliask | How big is the ipod 5g flash? |
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| 15:31:56 | redbreva | Dont think so, I *think* it's 1.2 - I kept refusing latest |
| 15:32:11 | preglow | i like the fact there are command line options listed in the flash... |
| 15:32:12 | linuxstb_ | aliask: 1MB afaik. |
| 15:32:34 | aliask | That's a bit tight isn't it? |
| 15:32:39 | linuxstb_ | Looks like the Nano doesn't have the "vmsc" image, whatever that is... |
| 15:32:44 | linuxstb_ | (my 5g has it) |
| 15:33:44 | preglow | haha, the bootloader is written in c++ |
| 15:33:56 | linuxstb_ | Lovely... |
| 15:34:03 | linuxstb_ | Must make disassembly fun. |
| 15:34:16 | preglow | depends to what a degree they use virtual methods and stuff |
| 15:35:29 | * | petur recently ported a c++ written bootloader at work (only the top layer was c++ though) |
| 15:35:54 | Bagder | yeah, I got one in my face the other day too |
| 15:36:08 | * | Bagder quickly turned into C and pretended he never saw the original |
| 15:36:14 | petur | hahaha |
| 15:36:46 | * | preglow doesn't get the c++-phobia |
| 15:36:56 | Bagder | and it came with a 'compile' script that run gcc 12 times |
| 15:37:03 | Bagder | instead of a Makefile... |
| 15:37:29 | preglow | the flash image definitely looks like it contains several program |
| 15:37:30 | preglow | s |
| 15:37:37 | preglow | the same runtime lib error messages over and over |
| 15:37:39 | * | Bagder suffers from C++phobia, and a severe one it is |
| 15:37:54 | * | petur has no problems with it |
| 15:37:59 | preglow | i tend to select which language to use based on what i need to do |
| 15:38:04 | preglow | i would never write a bootloader in c++ |
| 15:38:17 | preglow | bigger programs: c++ without a doubt |
| 15:38:24 | preglow | being able to use smart pointers alone is worth it |
| 15:38:27 | Bagder | I guess we all select tools based on what we need to to, the question is just what tools we select... :-) |
| 15:38:42 | linuxstb_ | And what we know... |
| 15:39:42 | LinusN | and experience |
| 15:40:12 | MrBadKeymap | I think I need to update rockbox on my pod |
| 15:40:12 | Slasheri | i would never select c++ for anything, so bad experience i have about it |
| 15:40:15 | LinusN | my experience tells me that C++ is often chosen by people who aren't capable of making that decision |
| 15:40:20 | MrBadKeymap | the flash said incompatible, or something |
| 15:40:21 | Slasheri | for gui programs java would be fine |
| 15:40:26 | MrBadKeymap | I could only read the inco... |
| 15:40:44 | preglow | Slasheri: anything in particular that is bad about c++? :> |
| 15:40:55 | * | Bagder got the sansa 200R BL image |
| 15:41:09 | LinusN | the problem isn't c++ per se, it's how you use it |
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| 15:41:16 | * | Bagder handed it over to the magician |
| 15:41:16 | preglow | sure |
| 15:41:34 | Kasperle | linuxstb_: www.damogran.de/ipod5.5g30GB.bin |
| 15:41:49 | Bagder | actually, C++ is a lot about hiding how things are done |
| 15:41:51 | linuxstb_ | Kasperle: Thanks. |
| 15:41:53 | Slasheri | preglow: bad implementation of classes (for example no really useful protected -type) and in general it makes programming just more complex and un-intutional.. for example symbian c++ is just horrible |
| 15:41:57 | Bagder | and I find that concept disturbing |
| 15:42:12 | preglow | Slasheri: protected -type? |
| 15:42:24 | preglow | Bagder: in what way, really? |
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| 15:42:29 | Kasperle | preglow: what machine language do you need that disassembler for? |
| 15:42:36 | preglow | Kasperle: arm right now |
| 15:42:40 | LinusN | c++ has a lot of mechanisms to hide the true workings of things, and that is often bad, especially in embedded systems |
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| 15:42:54 | preglow | LinusN: indeed, i'd probably not use c++ for an embedded system |
| 15:43:00 | Slasheri | preglow: in class you can't use protected by any useful way for variables for example |
| 15:43:10 | Slasheri | such as "read only" |
| 15:43:18 | * | Bagder prefers staying in his little closet where he manages fine with C |
| 15:43:28 | preglow | Slasheri: that's what accessor methods are for |
| 15:43:45 | Slasheri | yeah, and that just makes code complex and hard to manage |
| 15:43:53 | LinusN | the whole concept of constantly hiding and encapsulating things disturbs me |
| 15:44:07 | Slasheri | preglow: structs are just fine |
| 15:44:23 | Slasheri | and if you really need, you can have a function pointer in a struct also |
| 15:44:32 | preglow | i don't get it, it's exactly the same as set() functions, which everybody uses |
| 15:44:36 | preglow | without complaining, it's even logical, they say |
| 15:44:44 | Kasperle | preglow: are you looking for "linux" or "free"? maybe ida pro + sabre binnavi might suit your needs, but those are insanely expensive (esp binnavi) |
| 15:45:09 | redbreva | linuxstb_: http://www.redbreva.com/Gadgets/flash.bin Sorry it took so long, my USB connect almost came to a standstill loading a current build!! |
| 15:45:36 | Slasheri | preglow: and i don't think OO programming is very useful at all without dynamic memory allocation |
| 15:45:38 | preglow | Slasheri: sure, but then you're doing exactly the same thing but with more code lines |
| 15:45:48 | preglow | Slasheri: without dynamic memory it's hell, yes |
| 15:46:04 | Slasheri | you would just allocate all classes as static and so on, it just makes code more complex |
| 15:46:10 | preglow | don't think i'm trying to advocate c++ use in rockbox here, 'cause i'm not |
| 15:46:16 | preglow | i just don't get the random c++ phobia |
| 15:46:18 | Slasheri | =) |
| 15:46:23 | preglow | it's just another language, albeit a complex one |
| 15:46:34 | preglow | but you don't have to use it at the top level of abstraction and complexity |
| 15:46:38 | preglow | few people do, as a matter of fact |
| 15:46:48 | Slasheri | if one needs to do OO programming, i would enjoy doing that with perl =) |
| 15:46:51 | preglow | haha |
| 15:46:54 | preglow | perl oo is horrible |
| 15:46:54 | Slasheri | such as server side things |
| 15:47:00 | Slasheri | how is that? |
| 15:47:06 | Slasheri | it makes code nice and clean |
| 15:47:10 | preglow | oo is tacked on in perl |
| 15:47:14 | preglow | i'm really looking forward to perl 6 for that |
| 15:47:26 | Bagder | haha, you mean like it isn't "tacked on" in C++ ? ;-) |
| 15:47:30 | Slasheri | :D |
| 15:47:49 | preglow | Bagder: haha, have a look at how it's done in perl, then, and we'll see which is worse afterwards |
| 15:47:57 | Bagder | I know how it works there |
| 15:48:14 | Bagder | I'm not particularly fond of that either |
| 15:48:33 | Slasheri | preglow: then you must enjoy python :) |
| 15:48:36 | preglow | i hate python |
| 15:48:41 | preglow | perl is my favourite language, actually |
| 15:48:44 | Slasheri | it has the good sides of c++ and perl |
| 15:48:52 | Slasheri | at least some of them |
| 15:48:55 | MrBadKeymap | linuxstb_: I get some error talking about ‘incompatible’ when I try to run your ipodflash plugin |
| 15:48:56 | preglow | python is for people who like to be bored while they code |
| 15:49:01 | MrBadKeymap | even on the lastest build |
| 15:49:07 | linuxstb_ | MrBadKeymap: The .rock file? |
| 15:49:12 | MrBadKeymap | though it is a cpu_cop10 build, if that makes any difference |
| 15:49:13 | MrBadKeymap | yeah |
| 15:49:24 | linuxstb_ | That's only for the Nano - do you have a Nano? |
| 15:49:28 | MrBadKeymap | No. |
| 15:49:40 | MrBadKeymap | I should go compile it myself then. |
| 15:49:44 | * | MrBadKeymap boots up nix |
| 15:49:50 | linuxstb_ | I can build you one if you tell me which ipod. |
| 15:49:57 | MrBadKeymap | grayscale 4g. |
| 15:50:05 | linuxstb_ | OK, wasn't sure if you had any more... |
| 15:50:16 | MrBadKeymap | only a 80g 5.5 |
| 15:50:19 | Kasperle | heh. it took me a bit to figure out how to get it compiled |
| 15:50:25 | preglow | what actually bothers me with c is the time it takes to do really simple stuff, so i guess it's not weird i can enjoy some level of abstraction |
| 15:50:37 | preglow | like remebering to bloody free() everything is my favourite thing in this world |
| 15:51:03 | MrBadKeymap | bloody_free_everything(); would be a nice function... |
| 15:51:08 | linuxstb_ | preglow's Nano and redbreva's Nano contain an identical flash apart from some tiny differences in what look like serial numbers or keys... |
| 15:51:18 | preglow | linuxstb_: nice.... |
| 15:51:24 | Bagder | MrBadKeymap: there is one, it's called exit() ! |
| 15:51:25 | preglow | linuxstb_: got the hex offset? |
| 15:51:50 | preglow | a language called "c with destructors" would fit my bill nicely |
| 15:52:53 | linuxstb_ | preglow: 0x20e0 - starting NBLMJ5 in both copies, but then diverging. |
| 15:53:31 | linuxstb_ | Plus the three digits (xxx) around 0x20a0 (doMMAxxx) differ between the two... |
| 15:53:43 | preglow | yeah, i see it |
| 15:53:45 | preglow | weird |
| 15:53:59 | preglow | i didn't upgrade mine with itunes or anything |
| 15:54:06 | preglow | so the flash routine itself has to have done that |
| 15:54:19 | linuxstb_ | preglow: I just converted both images to text with "xxd file.bin > file.txt" and did a diff on the text file... |
| 15:55:18 | preglow | i like the amount of 0xff in this thing |
| 15:55:32 | MrBadKeymap | room to play with |
| 15:55:35 | preglow | guess it comes from all ones being the flash default |
| 15:55:59 | linuxstb_ | Maybe that sector never gets overwritten with the flash update. |
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| 15:56:14 | preglow | at least nand flash, i think |
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| 15:59:38 | linuxstb_ | Yes, seems to be a nice large gap from 0x1a000 to 0x3a000 - 128KB... |
| 15:59:48 | preglow | nice number |
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| 16:00:01 | linuxstb_ | We could stick something interesting in there... |
| 16:01:13 | preglow | sure would be fun |
| 16:01:18 | preglow | but what? :> |
| 16:02:03 | MrBadKeymap | an orange |
| 16:02:47 | GodEater | anyone else notice there's a malloc() symbol in that bootloader code? ;) |
| 16:02:50 | Kasperle | is there code to put stuff into flash yet? |
| 16:05:13 | MrBadKeymap | I need to do more to compile ipod_flash.c than dropping into the source tree and doing a build, right? |
| 16:05:25 | Kasperle | edit apps/plugins/SOURCES, too |
| 16:05:56 | Kasperle | at least that's what i had to do, i'm no rockbox expert, though |
| 16:06:23 | Kasperle | interesting. seems the ipod has some sort of debugging mode? |
| 16:06:26 | linuxstb_ | Yes, just add the line "ipod_flash.c" at the top of apps/plugins/SOURCES |
| 16:06:47 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: Plus a "out of heap" error message :) |
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| 16:07:13 | Bagder | that's indeed nice for a bootloader... ;-) |
| 16:07:29 | Bagder | sorry, we're out of heap we can't boot |
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| 16:07:45 | linuxstb_ | Although to be fair, the flash contents seem to be a bootloader, plus various little applications - disk mode, diagnostics mode etc. |
| 16:07:51 | preglow | there's a lot of runtime stuff in the flash |
| 16:08:13 | linuxstb_ | I'm guessing the "applications" are copied to RAM and executed. |
| 16:08:24 | preglow | linuxstb_: create a plugin which does that... |
| 16:08:35 | linuxstb_ | I think I will. |
| 16:08:45 | preglow | looking forward to seeing the results |
| 16:09:00 | linuxstb_ | I wonder what they want the COP to be doing... |
| 16:09:16 | preglow | retailos uses cop for codecs, afaik |
| 16:09:19 | linuxstb_ | Maybe starting them from the Rockbox bootloader would be a better first thing to try. |
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| 16:09:31 | linuxstb_ | We can then start them with the COP under control. |
| 16:09:32 | preglow | i expect the bootloader doesn't have it doing much |
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| 16:10:56 | MrBadKeymap | I think my build is doing funny things |
| 16:11:06 | MrBadKeymap | it’s compiling the ipod_flash.c over and over. |
| 16:13:35 | | Quit Mouser_X (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) |
| 16:13:44 | MrBadKeymap | all because the file had a date in the future... |
| 16:13:46 | * | MrBadKeymap fixed it |
| 16:13:47 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SummerOfCode |
| 16:13:53 | Bagder | now go add a bazillion fine projects |
| 16:15:47 | Kasperle | where is that flash normally mapped? |
| 16:17:58 | MrBadKeymap | 4g ipod currently not rebooting into disk mode on usb connect is a known bug, right? |
| 16:18:26 | preglow | depends what you mean by normal |
| 16:18:32 | preglow | on boot it's mapped at o0x0 |
| 16:18:33 | preglow | 0x0 <- |
| 16:18:41 | preglow | i really felt that hex prefix was important, yes |
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| 16:19:26 | Bagder | yes, hex zero is a lot better than decimal zero |
| 16:19:36 | * | linuxstb_ prefers 0x00000000 |
| 16:19:54 | Bagder | no 64bit? ;-) |
| 16:20:10 | linuxstb_ | No, I don't do 64bit. |
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| 16:20:51 | MrBadKeymap | linuxstb_: http://shaid.mine.nu/4g-greyscale-flash.bin |
| 16:20:52 | MrBadKeymap | hopefully. |
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| 16:22:15 | MrBadKeymap | actually, port wasn’t forwarded. |
| 16:22:18 | MrBadKeymap | but it is now. |
| 16:22:57 | linuxstb_ | MrBadKeymap: Thanks, it's downloading now... |
| 16:23:23 | MrBadKeymap | I should’ve archived it |
| 16:23:36 | MrBadKeymap | oh well, upstream isn’t saturated. |
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| 16:24:29 | MrBadKeymap | linuxstb_: http://shaid.mine.nu/4g-greyscale-flash.par2 for data verification |
| 16:26:02 | linuxstb_ | MrBadKeymap: I get a file not found error for the par2. |
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| 16:26:19 | MrBadKeymap | oh, right |
| 16:26:22 | MrBadKeymap | linuxstb_: http://shaid.mine.nu/4g-greyscale-flash.rock.par2 for data verification |
| 16:26:36 | MrBadKeymap | I shouldn’t do this stuff at 2:25am |
| 16:26:47 | petur | time for a reboot ;) |
| 16:27:33 | linuxstb_ | MrBadKeymap: Still not found... But don't worry, it looks fine. |
| 16:27:41 | MrBadKeymap | odd. |
| 16:28:25 | MrBadKeymap | oh. |
| 16:28:26 | MrBadKeymap | whoops |
| 16:28:47 | MrBadKeymap | http://shaid.mine.nu/4g-greyscale-flash.bin.par2 |
| 16:28:52 | Winchester | is it just me or did the file browser on rockbox get a lot slower recently? |
| 16:28:55 | MrBadKeymap | correct link this time I swear. |
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| 16:30:20 | markun | Winchester: it can become a lot slower if you change to a bigger (file size) font |
| 16:30:46 | Winchester | oh.... I may have |
| 16:30:51 | markun | Winchester: which player do you have? |
| 16:31:07 | Winchester | ipod 2g mini |
| 16:31:25 | Winchester | but I think the font might be it |
| 16:32:39 | Winchester | ok..... not lagging anymore =) |
| 16:32:40 | Winchester | thanks |
| 16:34:03 | MrBadKeymap | there’s a lot of unused space in this flash image... |
| 16:34:13 | markun | Winchester: trying to fix the font caching is on my todo.. |
| 16:35:09 | MrBadKeymap | and some identifiable images... |
| 16:35:16 | MrBadKeymap | guess they’re really raw. |
| 16:35:24 | Winchester | ok thanks markun |
| 16:36:32 | Winchester | and.... when pressing keys sometimes the first few are ignored.... doesn't anyone know if anyone might fix that? |
| 16:37:21 | MrBadKeymap | there’s an option dealing with backlight to do with input from first keypress. |
| 16:37:41 | MrBadKeymap | Winchester: So look under the backlight settings for something similar to that. |
| 16:38:04 | MrBadKeymap | I go sleep now |
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| 16:38:10 | Winchester | I don't think that's relevant because the backlight turns on when the hold switch is turned off |
| 16:38:14 | Winchester | and 'night |
| 16:38:34 | Shaid | that one is a bit different |
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| 16:39:53 | Winchester | and.... first key enabled backlight option was off |
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| 16:48:09 | linuxstb_ | Shaid: The par2 verifies, thanks. |
| 16:48:34 | linuxstb_ | preglow: My first attempts to execute the flash images are failing... |
| 16:49:01 | preglow | linuxstb_: are you sure you're loading them correctly? |
| 16:49:30 | linuxstb_ | Nope... |
| 16:51:41 | linuxstb_ | I should try and disassemble one of them and see what the startup code within the application does. |
| 16:51:48 | linuxstb_ | I can see the ARM reset vectors there though. |
| 16:52:00 | linuxstb_ | (at the offsets I think they start at) |
| 16:52:16 | linuxstb_ | Oooh, it's working on my Color... |
| 16:52:39 | preglow | what'd you start? |
| 16:52:40 | linuxstb_ | Rockbox bootloader is launching the diagnostics mode now. |
| 16:52:48 | markun | nice |
| 16:52:51 | preglow | cool |
| 16:52:53 | preglow | is it working fine? |
| 16:53:03 | linuxstb_ | Seems to, just playing with it now. |
| 16:53:17 | preglow | hmm |
| 16:53:32 | preglow | would probably make disassembling a fair deal easier if we could extract the different parts |
| 16:53:35 | preglow | that's for sure |
| 16:54:03 | linuxstb_ | You definitely can, I'll post a little C program to extract them soon. |
| 16:56:51 | * | petur looks at preglow and point at his quitmessage |
| 16:56:53 | | Quit petur ("connection terminated by beer") |
| 16:57:07 | linuxstb_ | And directly launching the disk mode code seems to be working as well. Looks like starting that will be nicer than rebooting... |
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| 16:58:27 | markun | preglow: I miss the beer back at home. None of the people I met here in Paris like it.. |
| 16:59:04 | markun | linuxstb_: and can you also exit again or do you need a reboot for that? |
| 16:59:20 | GodEater | Parisiennes aren't noted for their beer drinking... |
| 16:59:23 | linuxstb_ | You seem to need a reboot to exit it... |
| 16:59:56 | linuxstb_ | The code needs to be copied to the start of RAM anyway to execute, so it would wipe rockbox. |
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| 17:00:29 | Winchester | anyway to actually modify the asm code to integrate it into rockbox? |
| 17:00:56 | GodEater | why would you want to ? |
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| 17:01:02 | preglow | markun: france isn't a beer country |
| 17:01:19 | Winchester | so then you don't ever need to reboot..... if there's also a sleep mode.... |
| 17:01:40 | preglow | only special beer i know of that comes out of france is bière de garde, and i've never tasted that style |
| 17:02:13 | GodEater | I thought we had some working usb code in RB now on the ipod |
| 17:02:26 | GodEater | I must not have been paying attention properly |
| 17:03:07 | Winchester | ....i'll just take it as I don't know what I am talking about >.> |
| 17:05:31 | GodEater | nope - looks like I wrong. I've not had cause to keep up to date on the ipod front since mine still doesn't work with Rockbox. |
| 17:05:43 | GodEater | But I believe having our own USB mode is the plan |
| 17:06:18 | GodEater | especially given the difference in performance on some iPods between "native" usb, and emergency disk mode usb speeds |
| 17:06:49 | GodEater | using the disk mode on those which really suffer in emergency disk mode would make a lot of people unhappy |
| 17:07:09 | Winchester | which ones are those? |
| 17:07:56 | GodEater | I think the Nano has sucky performance |
| 17:08:04 | GodEater | but I could be wrong |
| 17:08:14 | GodEater | at least one model does anyway ;) |
| 17:09:11 | Winchester | hmm ok |
| 17:13:58 | linuxstb_ | Rockbox currently reboots into the emergency disk mode anyway. The only change I'm trying to do now is to cut out the reboot, and just directly enter disk mode, which should be a lot smoother. |
| 17:14:33 | GodEater | yeah I got that after checking up on recent changes |
| 17:14:51 | GodEater | but we are planning on "proper" USB support eventually though right ? |
| 17:15:07 | Winchester | so....what about making it go directly into RB after? |
| 17:15:20 | GodEater | not possible I wouldn't have thought |
| 17:15:46 | linuxstb_ | I think I've worked out how to make it reboot after you disconnect from USB. i.e. behave the same as it does now. |
| 17:16:42 | linuxstb_ | But yes, I suppose it could be possible to hack the Apple diskmode code so it starts Rockbox, but that means modifying the flash contents, and would very likely need to be implemented for every firmware revision on every ipod. |
| 17:17:08 | linuxstb_ | Time much better spent on implementing our own disk mode. |
| 17:18:06 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 17:19:08 | Winchester | I'll just stop pushing it now >.> |
| 17:19:11 | preglow | linuxstb_: will disk mode automatically reboot then, though? |
| 17:19:28 | preglow | linuxstb_: i'd rather have the reboot if the direct disk mode code would require me to manually reboot it after uploading files |
| 17:19:35 | linuxstb_ | I think it reboots if you write the "diskmode\0hotstuff\0" magic to the end of iram. |
| 17:19:40 | preglow | ok |
| 17:19:44 | preglow | we'll find out anyway |
| 17:20:24 | linuxstb_ | But I agree, if it doesn't reboot automatically on disconnect, the current method is better. |
| 17:21:27 | * | preglow looks forward to having our own usb code |
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| 17:37:32 | pixelma | anyone tried the root menu patch and can tell me what should happen when pressing the key (sequence) that currently leads me from WPS to the main menu? Should I get to the root menu instead? |
| 17:38:12 | amiconn | linuxstb_: Regarding the ipod flash dump - the other targets have a "Dump ROM contents" entry in the debug menu... |
| 17:39:41 | amiconn | linuxstb_: I'll do a mini2g dump later |
| 17:40:10 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: OK, I'll add it there. |
| 17:40:33 | amiconn | I guess on ipod it's a little more complex because of the remapping |
| 17:40:51 | amiconn | Perhaps we should remap the rom permanently (in rockbox) |
| 17:40:53 | linuxstb_ | Just a couple of extra lines - if you look at the plugin source. |
| 17:41:10 | linuxstb_ | We just remap it to 0x2000000 and then unmap it again after dumping. |
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| 17:43:23 | midgey | linuxstb_: thanks :) |
| 17:43:47 | linuxstb_ | What for? |
| 17:44:03 | midgey | the birthday wishes a few hours back |
| 17:44:14 | linuxstb_ | Ah yes :) |
| 17:44:26 | midgey | :) |
| 17:44:33 | * | pixelma adds her... happy birthday! :) |
| 17:45:20 | desowin | regarding summer of code, what do you think of adding 'support for iTunes database' to the Projects on wiki ? |
| 17:45:48 | | Nick Everybody|away is now known as Everybody (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) |
| 17:45:53 | * | midgey says thank you |
| 17:46:51 | linuxstb_ | Maybe others disagree, but itunes support isn't something I want to see in Rockbox - it will just become a nightmare to maintain in the future when Apple randomly change the format. |
| 17:47:42 | linuxstb_ | And Rockbox is an open, cross-platform firmware, and proprietory database support doesn't fit into that IMO. |
| 17:48:12 | desowin | or maybe converter iTunes->database as plugin ? |
| 17:48:27 | desowin | (and backwards) |
| 17:48:29 | linuxstb_ | An itunes plugin? |
| 17:48:48 | desowin | no, on device |
| 17:49:54 | desowin | I would rather wanted to see amarok plugin for than than iTunes one |
| 17:50:04 | linuxstb_ | Again, if it's part of Rockbox, it will need maintaining... |
| 17:50:13 | midgey | hmm, metadata on buffer would be a nice project for SoC |
| 17:50:37 | linuxstb_ | Or a complete playback engine overhaul/rewrite. |
| 17:51:19 | midgey | hwcodec/swcodec merger :P |
| 17:52:31 | linuxstb_ | But seriously, if people want to use itunes with Rockbox, the best solution would be a itunes plugin to sync to a Rockbox'd player (any player, not just ipods). |
| 17:53:28 | Winchester | hey.... was just wondering.... instead of the voice files for menus.... port something like festival to RB...... or is that pointless? |
| 17:54:25 | midgey | is the iTunes API even available? |
| 17:54:43 | linuxstb_ | Not pointless, but realtime text2speech on our devices would be far lower quality than pre-generated voice clips. |
| 17:55:20 | markun | linuxstb_: I've listened for hours to the eSpeak engine |
| 17:55:22 | linuxstb_ | midgey: I don't know, but I seem to remember seeing a plugin to sync itunes with generic mp3 players. |
| 17:55:30 | desowin | maybe on gigabeat it could get better quality |
| 17:55:45 | markun | it doesn't try to be natural sounding, but it's not difficult to understand |
| 17:56:11 | midgey | from wikipedia: Apple will only license the APIs to bona fide OEMs who sign a non-disclosure agreement. |
| 17:56:31 | linuxstb_ | But yes, realtime text2speech in Rockbox could be an interesting SoC project. |
| 17:56:39 | midgey | not to say some of it hasn't been figured out and there's always applescript on mac |
| 17:58:34 | linuxstb_ | What about the itunes-replacement apps? Adapting those to sync to a Rockbox device, with the option of creating a Rockbox database, and on ipods, the itunesdb at the same time. |
| 17:59:30 | linuxstb_ | desowin: Is your desire for itunesdb support because you want to use itunes, or because you want to dual-boot between Rockbox and the Apple firmware? |
| 17:59:33 | markun | linuxstb_: (please stream and don't download the whole file) http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/faq.ogg |
| 17:59:54 | desowin | linuxstb_: dual boot |
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| 18:00:34 | linuxstb_ | desowin: So what application do you use to maintain your itunesdb? |
| 18:00:44 | preglow | linuxstb_: how'd you figure out the remapping? |
| 18:00:48 | desowin | amarok |
| 18:01:01 | linuxstb_ | preglow: I didn't, read the comment near the top... |
| 18:01:21 | preglow | indeed, indeed |
| 18:01:41 | linuxstb_ | markun: Almost understandable... |
| 18:02:31 | linuxstb_ | desowin: So Rockbox support in Amarok would be ideal for you? |
| 18:02:48 | linuxstb_ | (with Amarok updating both of your databases at the same time) |
| 18:02:50 | markun | :) |
| 18:02:59 | desowin | yes, especially if updating both databases |
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| 18:04:19 | markun | desowin: you use the ipod firmware because it has better battery life? |
| 18:05:24 | desowin | yes, and for music quiz |
| 18:05:28 | desowin | ! |
| 18:05:32 | desowin | why I haven't got that idea |
| 18:05:44 | desowin | add music quiz plugin to SoC propositions |
| 18:06:06 | markun | :) |
| 18:07:04 | linuxstb_ | Remind me how the music quiz works... Doesn't it just play a random clip from a random song, and then display the track name/artist? |
| 18:07:15 | Mikachu | it displays four songs, and you are to pick the right one |
| 18:07:50 | linuxstb_ | Does it play the start of the song, or a random part of it? |
| 18:07:55 | desowin | random |
| 18:08:03 | desowin | usually around center part |
| 18:08:09 | perl|work | why this small cute utility is never mentioned? |
| 18:08:11 | perl|work | http://ita.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:08:23 | Mikachu | it's been mentioned plenty of times |
| 18:08:43 | perl|work | aha |
| 18:08:56 | linuxstb_ | And I think that's the app/plugin I was thinking of... |
| 18:09:28 | midgey | there's also an old plugin called BadApple |
| 18:09:37 | markun | perl|work: do you use it with your Gigabeat? |
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| 18:10:23 | perl|work | markun i dont touch itunes |
| 18:10:33 | perl|work | but i always recommend it to people who like to use it |
| 18:10:58 | perl|work | i tested it with my ipod and rockbox though |
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| 18:14:37 | perl|work | i just realized i've never even listened to one full song on my ipod |
| 18:15:38 | desowin | :O |
| 18:17:17 | perl|work | gigabeat all the way, even with the OF |
| 18:17:33 | toffe | do you know this : http://www.songbirdnest.com/ |
| 18:17:57 | perl|work | toffe yeah, it never picked up i reckon |
| 18:18:09 | toffe | there are some adds on for ipod, mass storage device, to manage your library |
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| 18:19:16 | perl|work | but yeah with usb mass storage addon its an alternative |
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| 18:21:56 | toffe | I just found it yesterday, I think I gonna try it this week end ;) |
| 18:22:19 | toffe | if it is clean as the site, it must be really good |
| 18:22:32 | perl|work | yeah its not shabby at all |
| 18:23:11 | thegeek | it sucks |
| 18:23:18 | thegeek | basing a media player on a browser is just insane |
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| 18:24:04 | thegeek | I for one certainly don't want my browser and my media player in one app |
| 18:24:38 | perl|work | thegeek, its just not for geeks :P |
| 18:24:51 | thegeek | and? |
| 18:24:58 | thegeek | regular people usually prefer winamp |
| 18:25:09 | thegeek | or windows media player |
| 18:25:18 | perl|work | all im saying an average user might find it useful |
| 18:25:22 | thegeek | both are reasonably fast and "just work" |
| 18:25:26 | thegeek | meh |
| 18:25:37 | thegeek | bloat deluxe |
| 18:25:40 | perl|work | it is |
| 18:25:47 | perl|work | exactly like itunes |
| 18:26:21 | thegeek | and a lot of people i know _hate_ itunes |
| 18:26:24 | thegeek | because it's so bloated |
| 18:26:26 | perl|work | but i saw enough people breaking necks around winamp even |
| 18:26:43 | m0s- | I picked a theme and for some reason the WMP is showing but when I go to my settings or try and leave to pick something else to listen to I am getting a black screen what can I do to rectify this? |
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| 18:38:19 | dan_a | linuxstb_: I've got the bootloader dual-booting with GCC 4.1.1, but it still doesn't work with 4.0.3 |
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| 18:46:41 | sean111 | hey guys quick question, does rockbox for the 4gen ipod support 24bit/96khz flac files? |
| 18:47:05 | nls | sean111: yes, but they might skip.. |
| 18:47:25 | m0s- | I picked a theme and for some reason the WMP is showing but when I go to my settings or try and leave to pick something else to listen to I am getting a black screen what can I do to rectify this? |
| 18:47:26 | sean111 | hmmm even with all the flashy stuff off |
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| 18:47:45 | sean111 | well thats cool ill give it a shot |
| 18:47:52 | nls | sean111: the only way to find out is to try it :-) |
| 18:48:31 | sean111 | hahahaha good point |
| 18:48:37 | nls | m0s-: you probably pick a theme that rely on default background or foreground colors, try resetting them before switching |
| 18:48:39 | sean111 | im getting my friends broken ipod and seeing if i cant make itwork |
| 18:48:51 | sean111 | then ima rockbox it and put these tool vinyl rips i got in 24bit flac |
| 18:48:56 | sean111 | sounds AMAZING i wanna hear it in my car |
| 18:49:14 | m0s- | well how do I do that if i can't see anything |
| 18:50:02 | nls | m0s-: well you could turn hold on while booting to reset all settings... |
| 18:50:37 | m0s- | turn hold on? |
| 18:51:02 | nls | m0s-: oh i assumed you had an ipod... |
| 18:51:41 | m0s- | I do |
| 18:51:53 | m0s- | when it boots what button do I hold down on |
| 18:52:06 | nls | no, the hold switch thingy |
| 18:53:27 | m0s- | I have to let it boot and while it boots switch the hold button on? |
| 18:53:41 | nls | yes |
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| 19:19:51 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: Did you have to change anything to make it work in 4.1.1 ? |
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| 19:23:23 | winchester__ | rockbox allready had a chip8 emulator right? |
| 19:23:29 | winchester__ | *has |
| 19:23:54 | winchester__ | yeah nvrm |
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| 19:32:28 | * | linuxstb_ extracts the disk mode and diag mode applications from the flash into .ipod files and tries to rolo them... |
| 19:33:21 | winchester__ | swazzy |
| 19:34:59 | linuxstb_ | http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/flashsplit.c - a utility to split a flash.bin file up into pieces. Compile with "gcc -o flashsplit flashsplit.c" and then run "./flashsplit flash.bin" |
| 19:35:32 | linuxstb_ | It dumps the parts into .bin files (raw, no header) and .ipod files (with the Rockbox -add header, suitable for executing with rolo). |
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| 19:37:34 | preglow | how'd you find these sections, btw?= |
| 19:37:56 | winchester__ | I would try to get that working..... but doubt I will. |
| 19:39:12 | linuxstb_ | I just looked, and saw them... |
| 19:39:33 | linuxstb_ | If you look at the very end of the flash image, you'll see something that looks very similar to the firmware partition contents. |
| 19:39:52 | preglow | right, so it's the same format? |
| 19:40:08 | linuxstb_ | No, but a similar principle. |
| 19:40:22 | linuxstb_ | Almost the same though. |
| 19:40:26 | preglow | hm |
| 19:40:32 | preglow | what's the bloody logo.ipod thing do? |
| 19:40:38 | preglow | it just hangs when i rolo it |
| 19:40:49 | linuxstb_ | Only diskmode.ipod and diagmode.ipod are real firmware code. |
| 19:41:00 | linuxstb_ | logo.ipod is the Apple logo... :) |
| 19:41:14 | winchester__ | how do you get flash.bin? |
| 19:41:17 | preglow | hah |
| 19:41:28 | preglow | diskmode doesn't handle the backlight :) |
| 19:41:47 | linuxstb_ | Are both diskmode and diagmode working for you? |
| 19:41:57 | preglow | indeed |
| 19:41:58 | linuxstb_ | On my 5g only diskmode works, and on my Color, only diagmode works... |
| 19:41:58 | * | amiconn compiles ipod_flash |
| 19:42:38 | linuxstb_ | I'm wondering if diskmode.ipod could benefit from the CPU speed being set to 75MHz. |
| 19:42:57 | preglow | who knows |
| 19:43:05 | preglow | i would have thought it reset itself |
| 19:43:22 | linuxstb_ | If it doesn't do backlight, maybe it relies on the first-stage bootloader for CPU spee.d |
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| 19:44:32 | preglow | indeed |
| 19:44:52 | linuxstb_ | Still nice to see that the diagmode code is in fact only about 96KB... |
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| 19:45:10 | * | preglow tries to remember the objdump command line for raw disassemblies |
| 19:45:22 | linuxstb_ | objdump -D -b binary -marm diagmode.bin |
| 19:45:45 | preglow | thanks |
| 19:47:33 | linuxstb_ | winchester__: Read the logs from earlier this afternoon - you need to run the ipod_flash.c plugin I posted a link to. |
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| 19:48:04 | winchester__ | thanks |
| 19:48:54 | preglow | linuxstb_: seems like all the error exception handlers are set to loop on occuring... |
| 19:51:46 | preglow | first thing diagmode does is check what cpu it is, heh |
| 19:52:13 | amiconn | linuxstb_: http://amiconn.dyndns.org/flash-mini2g.bin |
| 19:55:55 | dan_a | linuxstb_: I did have to make some changes - I got rid of the memcmp and the "if" relating to that. I've not tested whether it boots from apple_os.ipod yet. |
| 19:55:57 | linuxstb_ | preglow: You mean the cpu/cop check? |
| 19:56:15 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Thanks. Can you run flashsplit.c and see if you can rolo either diagmode or diskmode? |
| 19:56:35 | preglow | linuxstb_: yeah |
| 19:58:10 | preglow | hmmm |
| 19:58:15 | preglow | then if it is the cop, it starts reading the mailbox |
| 19:58:22 | preglow | until it gets a 1 |
| 19:59:04 | dan_a | preglow: Does it loop, or use an interrupt and sleep? |
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| 19:59:14 | preglow | dan_a: checking out now |
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| 20:00:47 | preglow | dan_a: loops |
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| 20:02:06 | dan_a | preglow: Darn - I'm hoping to use mailboxes+interrupts to do some messaging (like rebooting the COP for RoLo) |
| 20:02:16 | preglow | dan_a: what's stopping you? :-) |
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| 20:03:31 | dan_a | preglow: Nothing really - except thinking that I can't do it... I'll give it a go tonight |
| 20:03:51 | dan_a | (I'd like to revisit doing thumb code for ARM too) |
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| 20:03:52 | preglow | dan_a: i'd just try writing to the mailbox regs and read the interrupt status flags on the other core |
| 20:03:56 | preglow | see which changes |
| 20:04:59 | dan_a | I don't know the mailbox addresses for the 3G - I wonder if I can use this plugin to find them |
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| 20:06:58 | preglow | eh, and after that, the cop tries to write to another mailbox |
| 20:07:02 | preglow | which the ipl wiki says it can't |
| 20:07:18 | amiconn | linuxstb: diag works. disk mode doesn't work correctly |
| 20:07:59 | amiconn | Rolo'ing diskmode shows a folder icon with an exclamation mark and an apple url below, then shuts down |
| 20:08:12 | linuxstb | That's more than I get on my Color - it just freezes. |
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| 20:08:35 | dan_a | I suspect disk mode uses the COP, then |
| 20:09:34 | linuxstb | The odd thing is that diskmode is working on my 5g, but not my color, and diagmode is the other way around. Both seem to work on the Nano. |
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| 20:09:34 | amiconn | linuxstb: The shutdown happens ~18 secs after start of rolo. |
| 20:09:48 | amiconn | Maybe the color does the same, but for some reason doesn't manage to activate the lcd |
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| 20:10:34 | amiconn | Btw, diagmode and diskmode are the only modules I get from flash.bin |
| 20:11:05 | preglow | hmm |
| 20:11:10 | preglow | then it sets its stack and sets up the cache |
| 20:11:25 | linuxstb | Yes, the greyscale ipods don't seem to have a "logo" image. The 5g also has something called vmsc which doesn't look like ARM code. |
| 20:11:46 | linuxstb | And no, the diskmode never seems to shutdown, I just get ROLO.... Executing forever. |
| 20:11:52 | preglow | broadcom lcd code? |
| 20:11:52 | amiconn | Maybe broadcom stuff? |
| 20:11:58 | amiconn | hehe |
| 20:12:16 | linuxstb | I assume so, yes. |
| 20:12:56 | preglow | lord, oh lord |
| 20:13:02 | preglow | something better than objdump has to exist for linux |
| 20:13:44 | amiconn | linuxstb: Btw, the modules say loadaddr: 10000000 |
| 20:14:04 | * | amiconn isn't sure how rolo works on ipods |
| 20:14:07 | linuxstb | Yes, that's SDRAM before we remap it to 0. |
| 20:14:18 | preglow | seems like it disables the cache |
| 20:14:57 | linuxstb | rolo clears all the memory mapping registers, putting SDRAM back at 0x10000000 and the flash at 0. It also flushes the cache, then disables it. |
| 20:15:23 | preglow | ooh, diagmode remaps memory |
| 20:15:30 | amiconn | What's the run address? ALso 0x10000000 ? |
| 20:16:02 | linuxstb | Yes, the entry point (if that's what you mean) is 0x10000000. |
| 20:16:10 | amiconn | ok |
| 20:16:17 | preglow | i wonder what all zeros in the remap regs do |
| 20:16:42 | linuxstb | zero is the default afaik. i.e. disabling remapping. |
| 20:17:07 | linuxstb | That's how they are when the Rockbox bootloader is started, and that's what rolo restores them to. |
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| 20:17:28 | amiconn | linuxstb: How does rolo handle the cop? |
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| 20:17:37 | linuxstb | amiconn: That's the problem - it doesn't atm. |
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| 20:18:26 | dan_a | amiconn: I'm going to have a look at it tonight |
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| 20:23:11 | m0s- | how do I reset my RB back to factory settings? |
| 20:24:10 | winchester_ | linuxstb: when I run diskmode it comes up with the broken directory icon |
| 20:24:16 | winchester_ | ah wait nvrm..... cord wasn't connected |
| 20:24:53 | nls | m0s-: if you mean rockbox default settings, I already told you... toggle hold while booting |
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| 20:26:30 | m0s- | sorry ur right but what I meant to was will it reset my database too? |
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| 20:30:30 | winchester_ | any chance of rolo being able to run iPL? |
| 20:30:52 | linuxstb | It always has done. |
| 20:31:21 | winchester_ | so if I rename kernel.bin to a.ipod file.....? |
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| 20:31:36 | linuxstb | You need to convert the kernel .bin file to a .ipod file using "tools/scramble -add=ipvd kernel.bin kernel.ipod" (e.g. - for a 5g) |
| 20:31:51 | winchester_ | ah.... there's my problem |
| 20:32:08 | linuxstb | Which ipod do you have? |
| 20:32:13 | winchester_ | 2g mini |
| 20:32:34 | nls | m0s-: no, just the settings, to reset the database, do a "initialize now" from the database menu. |
| 20:32:47 | linuxstb | Then -add=mn2g |
| 20:33:02 | winchester_ | thanks again |
| 20:33:26 | nls | is there any point in reporting simulator bugs for 64 bit in the tracker? |
| 20:35:03 | linuxstb | nls: I think so. |
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| 20:36:07 | nls | linuxstb: ok :-) |
| 20:37:25 | nls | does anyone want to try to reproduce, both 32 and 64 bit results would be nice? anyway just try playing any flac or ogg and see if the wps displays artist and title, mine always displays "unknown artist" "unknown album" and the filename for title (in 64 bit sim) |
| 20:38:03 | amiconn | Sounds like a problem with the metadata reader |
| 20:38:27 | amiconn | At least one other 64 bit bug is known, maybe that one should also be put on the tracker? |
| 20:38:45 | nls | will do :-) |
| 20:39:10 | amiconn | (libmad crashes, partially because of a rockbox optimisation) |
| 20:39:36 | nls | yes, the "crash on mp3" bug is quite annoying ;-) |
| 20:39:46 | bluebrother | wow. New version of FS released :) |
| 20:39:49 | preglow | ahaha, there's some weird code here |
| 20:40:12 | amiconn | I have an idea how to fix libmad without giving up the optimisation |
| 20:40:24 | preglow | first a stack pointer is loaded from a const in memory, then the sp is compared for 0, then ANOTHER const memory is loaded into sp if it's true :P |
| 20:40:36 | amiconn | ...but I need a reliable method to tell sizeof(int) at build time |
| 20:41:05 | linuxstb | How do we detect endianness at the moment? |
| 20:41:30 | preglow | we don't detect, do we? |
| 20:41:36 | preglow | forget me |
| 20:41:38 | amiconn | For sims we do detect |
| 20:41:50 | amiconn | For targets it's hardcoded |
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| 20:43:24 | linuxstb | Ah, there's a conftest.c application embedded in configure... |
| 20:43:30 | petur | amiconn: sizeof() is a compile time operator, no? |
| 20:44:16 | linuxstb | So something similar that just displayed sizeof(int) could be added easily. |
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| 20:45:26 | linuxstb | petur: Yes, but it can't be used by the preprocessor, which I'm guessing amiconn wants. |
| 20:45:35 | petur | ah |
| 20:45:39 | amiconn | Yes that's what I want |
| 20:45:53 | linuxstb | As it's a C operator, and the pre-processor doesn't know C. |
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| 20:46:21 | amiconn | The idea is to just check whether 'int' is a 32 bit type, and use 'int' instead of 'long' in the optimised huffman code |
| 20:46:24 | Mikachu | you can evaluate it in ../tools/configure and define something |
| 20:46:31 | Mikachu | i guess that's one of many things autoconf does for you |
| 20:47:03 | amiconn | Mikachu: That doesn't work for crosscompiles |
| 20:47:07 | linuxstb | An "intsize" variable could be created, based on how configure handles\ "endian". |
| 20:47:30 | amiconn | The generic code would be put in #else, together with a warning that implementing the optimised code for the 'int' width would improve performance |
| 20:47:34 | Mikachu | you'd have to check with the cross compiler of course |
| 20:47:38 | linuxstb | i.e. we hard-code it for the targets, and run a little .c program to determine it for the sims. |
| 20:48:04 | amiconn | The latter is just for catching both 16 bit targets and ilp64 systems (do such exist?) for sims |
| 20:48:14 | jewhaeN | 'lo 'lo! - I think I got a serious problem, but I don't know.. I'll explain it in one piece: I've used rockbox many times before, and now I should install it again, but I forgot to unzip the .zipfile into the Ipoddrive.. I've already followed the notes, and when I start the ipod it says: "Can't load rockbox.ipod:File not found Press MENU+SELECT to reboot t..." And now I can't get it to turn off, or get it found by my |
| 20:48:42 | amiconn | Maybe it's enough to check INT_MAX.... |
| 20:48:44 | linuxstb | jewhaeN: What does it say after the line Press MENU+SELECT to reboot? |
| 20:49:29 | jewhaeN | "then SELECT+PLAY for disk mode" which doesn't make sense since nothing happens when I push and hold it in :l |
| 20:49:35 | preglow | amiconn: why don't you just used int always? |
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| 20:49:54 | Mikachu | jewhaeN: you have to press it before the apples hows up agani |
| 20:49:54 | petur | doesn't gcc have some #pragma directive for it? |
| 20:50:10 | amiconn | (1) It's not me. (2) The code is based on th eassumption that 'long' is 32 bit, which doesn't hold for sims on 64 bit |
| 20:50:12 | jewhaeN | okay, i'll try that! |
| 20:50:22 | amiconn | But 'int' also isn't always 32 bit |
| 20:50:30 | linuxstb | jewhaeN: Try the first link returned here - http://www.google.com/search?q=ipod+disk+mode |
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| 20:50:53 | preglow | amiconn: int32_t or something, then |
| 20:51:03 | petur | linuxstb: link of the week? |
| 20:51:11 | linuxstb | petur: I like it... |
| 20:51:13 | preglow | i haven't really looked at the code yet, though |
| 20:51:21 | amiconn | That could be used, but would be worse that 'int' on 16 bit |
| 20:51:29 | Nico_P | Bagder: is it planned to use the new version of flyspray ? |
| 20:51:29 | preglow | amiconn: true |
| 20:51:36 | jewhaeN | thanks linuxstb and Mikachu! <3 |
| 20:51:54 | amiconn | preglow: I thought you wanted a working libmad on 64 bit so badly... |
| 20:52:15 | amiconn | ...and I already pointed out the problem, complete with links... |
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| 20:53:04 | preglow | badly? not really, no, but it's good to not have the sim crashing all the time |
| 20:53:10 | * | Mikachu stares sharply at Everybody|away |
| 20:53:34 | preglow | yeah, i had a look at it, tried some trivial fixes, failed, then moved on to something else for the time being |
| 20:53:41 | preglow | it's on my todo list... |
| 20:53:51 | preglow | but now it's baking time |
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| 20:54:35 | evilx__ | hello |
| 20:54:44 | nls | preglow, amiconn: I added a task for the crashing on mp3 bug to the tracker, FS #6691 |
| 20:57:18 | evilx__ | ok, this rockbox seems cool. cant wait to get it on |
| 20:57:21 | evilx__ | my ipod nano |
| 20:57:32 | winchester_ | argh.... how do you prevent linux from automatically mounting devices? (GNOME, Ubuntu) |
| 20:57:39 | winchester_ | (sorry for being offtopic and all) |
| 20:58:21 | evilx__ | i hope this is a first gen, it has a chrome backing, dont know if it metal or not |
| 20:58:22 | bluebrother | stop the automount daemon? |
| 20:58:27 | evilx__ | but i guess the 2nd gen colored all around |
| 20:58:51 | bluebrother | but maybe that is handled by HAL ... |
| 20:59:28 | Mikachu | winchester_: install a saner distro than ubuntu |
| 20:59:36 | scorche | evilx__: if it is just the backing that is chrome, then it is a first gen |
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| 21:00:09 | winchester_ | bluebrother: how? |
| 21:00:15 | winchester_ | Mikachu: saner distro you say? |
| 21:00:18 | preglow | winchester_: preferences/removable drives and media |
| 21:00:24 | preglow | winchester_: the very first options |
| 21:00:25 | bluebrother | winchester_: sorry, don't know ubuntu |
| 21:00:32 | preglow | Mikachu: saner? i love that, no need to do anything |
| 21:00:43 | winchester_ | ah thanks preglow |
| 21:01:10 | Mikachu | i didn't really mean to start an argument, it was just a reflex :) |
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| 21:02:04 | evilx__ | scorche ok thanks |
| 21:02:23 | m0s- | ugh too many of the WPS themes don't align with the track info I find |
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| 21:03:04 | linuxstb | m0s-: You either don't have the fonts installed, or are using WPSs that use unofficial patches to Rockbox. |
| 21:03:10 | preglow | only thing i can think of that i hate about the linux usb handling is the tendency to cache |
| 21:03:18 | preglow | it can wait minutes before flushing the ache |
| 21:03:19 | preglow | cache |
| 21:03:21 | preglow | which is stupid |
| 21:03:22 | m0s- | could be the fonts |
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| 21:03:36 | m0s- | cause I got the WPSs from rockbox |
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| 21:03:49 | m0s- | but each WPS has it's own fonts? |
| 21:04:07 | Mikachu | preglow: you can actually change that |
| 21:04:38 | linuxstb | m0s-: Did you install the rockbox-fonts.zip file when you installed rockbox? |
| 21:04:56 | m0s- | no |
| 21:05:18 | m0s- | there's my problem I guess |
| 21:05:23 | linuxstb | See the Extras link under Downloads on the website. |
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| 21:06:01 | Mikachu | preglow: poke /proc/sys/vm/dirty_expire_centisecs |
| 21:07:13 | preglow | Mikachu: really now, will test that |
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| 21:07:18 | m0s- | thanks linux |
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| 21:08:53 | evilx__ | do i just copy everything over from the zip on to the ipod? after i install the bootloader? |
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| 21:12:18 | winchester_ | my ipod seems to be stuck on "ROLO... Executing" |
| 21:13:20 | linuxstb | That's not unusual - rolo still isn't 100% reliable. |
| 21:13:32 | linuxstb | What were you rolo'ing? |
| 21:13:55 | winchester_ | a modified ipl kernel for iboy |
| 21:14:01 | linuxstb | evilx__: Safest is to extract the zip directly to your ipod, but yes everything in the zip goes onto your ipod. |
| 21:14:34 | evilx__ | i already did that, thanks though |
| 21:17:25 | m0s- | I am trying to download a theme but it asked me to download his rockbox prebuild binnary and it has two different builds for the 5g |
| 21:17:31 | m0s- | there's 5g and 5g64mb |
| 21:17:33 | m0s- | what's the diff |
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| 21:20:05 | nls | m0s-: one uses 64 megabytes of buffer −− it will only work for the 60 (and 80?) gig 5g's. Also please note that this prebuilt binary is what we call an unofficial build and we do not support those, if you have problems go to whoever made the build. |
| 21:20:13 | pixelma | Nico_P: as far as I understood viewports is a basic concept to everything not only WPS, not sure though |
| 21:20:28 | m0s- | k |
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| 21:20:50 | m0s- | what about if the text of the 'next track' not showing is there someting to fix that? |
| 21:20:55 | Nico_P | pixelma: yes |
| 21:21:53 | nls | m0s-: it's kind of slow, wait a bit for it ;-) |
| 21:22:21 | pixelma | Nico_P: just saw that in the wiki SoC-site (if I read it correctly it was you who added it, nevermind if it wasn't) |
| 21:23:10 | * | nls thinks "Various optimizations" is a kind of vauge project :-) |
| 21:23:12 | Nico_P | no i didn't :) |
| 21:23:33 | Nico_P | i added M-o-B |
| 21:23:41 | pixelma | ok, sorry then :) |
| 21:24:16 | Nico_P | i probably would've added viewports too if they weren't already there ;) |
| 21:24:18 | m0s- | nls dope it's like a chunk of text is missing |
| 21:24:40 | pixelma | ah... GodEater_ |
| 21:24:54 | winchester_ | linuxstb: nvrm.... instead of loading the modified kernel I tried loading the modified kernel version of iboy >.> |
| 21:24:59 | nls | m0s-: and you are using an official build with a wps that doesn't require patches? |
| 21:26:20 | m0s- | no patches req |
| 21:26:29 | m0s- | like the track with one words show |
| 21:26:44 | m0s- | but if it's like 3 or more chunks of the words are mixxing |
| 21:27:38 | nls | m0s-: are you using a font that the wps was designed for? iow did you load a theme file or a wps directly? |
| 21:28:08 | petur | anybody want to review my partial fix for http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6648 before I commit? |
| 21:28:10 | m0s- | I loaded the fonts from the font-zip and I loaded the theme from loading it in the menu |
| 21:28:48 | nls | m0s-: which theme is it and which ipod do you have? |
| 21:29:01 | nls | petur: sure, what should I do? |
| 21:29:15 | petur | correct short filename generation |
| 21:29:23 | linuxstb | winchester_: So does the kernel work? |
| 21:29:30 | desowin | petur: does reviewing include testing it on real device ? |
| 21:29:46 | Mikachu | reviewing means looking at the code changes |
| 21:29:59 | m0s- | I'm using Theme X Lowbar 1 |
| 21:30:03 | m0s- | and I have a 60gb 5g |
| 21:30:05 | petur | indeed... |
| 21:30:13 | winchester_ | it should.... right now Ubuntu keeps mounting the ipod as readonly even though fstab clarly says rw so I can't check >_< |
| 21:31:21 | GodEater_ | pixelma: Guilty as charged |
| 21:32:20 | GodEater_ | you might be right about the viewports being more than just a WPS feature - so feel free to change it |
| 21:32:58 | evilx__ | hum, i copied over this theme and stuff, but it doesnt show up :( |
| 21:32:58 | nls | petur: I loaded it on my h300 and it does at least not break any obvious things :-) |
| 21:34:03 | Nico_P | bluebrother: i like your flyspray wiki page :) |
| 21:34:20 | bluebrother | Nico_P: thanks :) |
| 21:34:47 | Nico_P | there should be an enormous link to it on the tracker |
| 21:34:56 | bluebrother | I agree |
| 21:35:28 | winchester_ | linuxstb: loads, works perfectly |
| 21:35:51 | winchester_ | except.... being able to pass arguments would be great |
| 21:37:30 | pixelma | GodEater_: will do that... just wanted to know if I should just change it or add something about it (which I might do anyway) |
| 21:38:05 | GodEater_ | the more detail the better IMO |
| 21:38:25 | pixelma | alright |
| 21:38:34 | linuxstb | pixelma: I agree that viewports are not a WPS-feature, but something to be used throughout Rockbox. |
| 21:40:03 | pixelma | I think that was amiconn's plan but it would have to be documented before (this is what I wanted to addd) |
| 21:40:12 | pixelma | *add, too |
| 21:40:39 | GodEater_ | when I added it as a project I was only doing so from vague memories of conversations overseen here |
| 21:40:46 | GodEater_ | so I went and searched on the wiki for more info |
| 21:40:57 | nls | petur: I tried to reproduce the problem described in the original post in FS #6648 but the problem seems to be gone :-) |
| 21:41:00 | GodEater_ | and all there is is stuff about WPS viewports - which is why that's all I put |
| 21:41:18 | petur | nls: that was the least it should do ;) |
| 21:42:25 | pixelma | GodEater_: good to know. I'll look it up and see if a crosslink is worth it |
| 21:42:58 | m0s- | does rockbox have a tutorial on how to make my own wps theme? |
| 21:43:17 | Mikachu | did you look on the website? |
| 21:43:31 | nls | m0s-: hint: CustomWPS wiki page ;-) |
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| 21:44:06 | m0s- | woo! |
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| 21:46:28 | winchester_ | using the rockbox bootloader would be faster than Loader 2 right? |
| 21:46:38 | pixelma | GodEater_: I can only find it mentioned on the ReleaseTodo. Is that what you meant? |
| 21:47:30 | linuxstb | winchester_: Using the Rockbox bootloader to do what? |
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| 21:47:37 | winchester_ | to load Rockbox |
| 21:47:56 | linuxstb | I would expect so, but haven't tested loader2 recently. |
| 21:48:11 | linuxstb | I think it's much faster now than it used to be. |
| 21:48:52 | m0s- | anyone used PJ Green on a ipod video? |
| 21:48:54 | winchester_ | ok... but... just incase.... would taking loader.bin and scrambling it make it work with rolo? |
| 21:49:13 | linuxstb | Yes, it should do. |
| 21:49:18 | winchester_ | interesting |
| 21:50:03 | linuxstb | But be aware that rolo doesn't do anything with the COP at the moment, which can cause problems if IPL or the applications you're running need the COP. |
| 21:50:45 | GodEater_ | pixelma: precisely :) |
| 21:51:36 | GodEater_ | there's not even a good description of what it *is* that I could find |
| 21:52:01 | winchester_ | so... I assume the apple firmware uses the COP.... but... I have used it with rolo before O_o |
| 21:52:41 | GodEater_ | winchester_: loader2 requires you to select which OS to boot IIRC - so by definition is slower than rockbox's bootloader |
| 21:54:00 | winchester_ | GodEater_: I have rockbox selected as default with a 1 second timeout since I mostly just use that... hence why I want to switch to the RB bootloader |
| 21:54:22 | winchester_ | and use rolo for the times I feel like playing mario or something |
| 21:54:31 | GodEater_ | seems like a good plan :) |
| 21:54:40 | Mikachu | winchester_: the rockbox bootloader can boot linux too |
| 21:55:05 | GodEater_ | yeah, but it'd be quicker to rolo to ipodlinux than reboot |
| 21:55:07 | winchester_ | hmm.... is it like the old ipl bootloader? |
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| 22:03:08 | dan_a | It makes RoLo really difficult |
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| 22:05:37 | winchester_ | What does ipodpatcher do exactly? |
| 22:06:13 | winchester_ | (do i need to restore the original MBR or will it take care of all that?) |
| 22:06:53 | m0s- | does the 5G 60GB have 64mb cache buffer? |
| 22:07:39 | perl|work | interesting read |
| 22:07:40 | perl|work | http://www.wired.com/news/culture/music/0,72785-0.html?tw=wn_technology_1 |
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| 22:08:57 | linuxstb | winchester: I've started documenting ipodpatcher here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPatcher |
| 22:09:35 | linuxstb | It modifies your ipod's firmware partition. The MBR is just the first sector on the disk (containing the partition table), and ipodpatcher doesn't touch it. |
| 22:10:29 | linuxstb | To replace an existing bootloader, just use ipodpatcher -a bootloader.ipod or if you want loader2, ipodpatcher -ab loader.bin |
| 22:11:05 | winchester_ | ok thanks |
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| 22:12:58 | nls | is it ok to remove functions that are not used in plugins from the plugin api so that they can be declared "static"? |
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| 22:14:29 | linuxstb | nls: Are there many such functions? |
| 22:14:50 | linuxstb | I thought the general idea was that functions are only added to the plugin API when they are needed. |
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| 22:15:17 | nls | linuxstb: not sure really but about 6-7 from the list.c file which are not used... |
| 22:15:59 | nls | declaring all private functions in list.c "static" (including those) saves about 400bytes on recorder... |
| 22:16:09 | pixelma | bluebrother: you tried the root menu patch too, right? Can you tell me if the button that today would lead you from WPS to the main menu should bring up the root menu then? |
| 22:16:19 | linuxstb | nls: I don't think anyone can complain then. |
| 22:17:05 | winchester_ | as soon as I installed the rockbox boot loader ROLO stopped loading the linux kernel..... does that make sense? |
| 22:17:38 | bluebrother | pixelma: it works that way on the h100 |
| 22:17:49 | linuxstb | Possibly... Which version of loader 2 were you using? |
| 22:17:50 | winchester_ | diskmode and diag still work though |
| 22:18:14 | winchester_ | 2.4 |
| 22:18:24 | pixelma | bluebrother: ok, then it's a bug on Ondio. I only get to the settings menu instead. |
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| 22:19:29 | linuxstb | Then it does make sense. v2.4 of loader2 didn't pass control of the COP to Rockbox, but the Rockbox bootloader does. And as Rockbox's rolo doesn't deal properly with the cop, using loader 2.4 means that Rockbox effectively left it ready for IPL. |
| 22:20:22 | madmodder | Hi all |
| 22:21:13 | preglow | linuxstb: you know where these apps are loaded, btw? |
| 22:21:18 | madmodder | scorche: any more interest from other archos owners re the 8mb ram upgrade |
| 22:21:34 | preglow | linuxstb: forget that, they're obviously loaded at 0 |
| 22:21:35 | winchester_ | ah yeah that explanation works |
| 22:21:50 | winchester_ | back to Loader 2 then |
| 22:21:51 | preglow | so apparently the bootloader too remaps memory like we do, then |
| 22:22:00 | Nico_P | markun: you there ? |
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| 22:24:02 | winchester_ | and back on loader 2..... rolo runs the kernel fine |
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| 22:24:43 | linuxstb | winchester_: At least until rolo works properly... |
| 22:25:27 | winchester_ | offtopic to rockbox but..... any chance of being able to run rockbox from linux? |
| 22:25:35 | | Part madmodder |
| 22:25:53 | winchester_ | or is that something I should be asking in the ipl irc channel? |
| 22:26:09 | winchester_ | haven't been there since..... well... since I got rockbox >.> |
| 22:26:09 | linuxstb | Rockbox is a complete firmware, so it would take over your ipod from linux. |
| 22:26:40 | linuxstb | Unless you built Rockbox as a Linux application, which could be done based on the UI Simulator code, but would seem pointless. |
| 22:26:43 | winchester_ | yeah I mean..... like rolo loads linux.... anything in linux which can load rockbox? |
| 22:27:23 | linuxstb | Not that I know of. |
| 22:28:30 | winchester_ | ok.... as long as rockbox and iboy works I am happy =) |
| 22:28:37 | winchester_ | *work |
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| 22:28:50 | linuxstb | Rockboy doesn't work on the mini? |
| 22:28:55 | winchester_ | nope |
| 22:29:09 | winchester_ | there was a patch... but it doesn't work since svn came in |
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| 22:30:29 | linuxstb | Rockboy is a strange beast - one of the most popular plugins with users, but almost no developers care about it. |
| 22:30:46 | winchester_ | lol |
| 22:30:53 | Bagder | I've never used it |
| 22:30:59 | Bagder | literally |
| 22:31:15 | Bagder | on any of my targets |
| 22:31:21 | m0s | bubble bobble would be wicked on the ipod video |
| 22:31:43 | winchester_ | I would love it if someone got it working on the mini.... but yeah I noticed nobody really cares. |
| 22:31:49 | scorche | bubble isnt enough? |
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| 22:33:56 | m0s | nope not enough |
| 22:34:04 | alienbiker99 | same game? |
| 22:34:39 | m0s | what? |
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| 22:35:29 | winchester_ | so there's no chance of anyone making rockboy work on the mini? |
| 22:35:43 | alienbiker99 | i dont think it has been worked on in a while |
| 22:36:20 | Bagder | "It can now decrypt/encrypt/verify the e200r firmware (TEA & DSA)" |
| 22:36:54 | * | dan_a applauds MrH, Bagder and the e200r user with a clue! |
| 22:37:21 | Bagder | but we'll need to make a new configure target for the R models |
| 22:37:27 | Bagder | for the bootloader |
| 22:37:35 | linuxstb | What's the difference with the R models? |
| 22:37:43 | Bagder | "Rhapsody" |
| 22:37:50 | Bagder | Real's DRM thing |
| 22:37:58 | linuxstb | So the hardware's the same? |
| 22:38:02 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:38:13 | linuxstb | Does the plain-text trick work? |
| 22:38:28 | Bagder | not confirmed yet |
| 22:38:32 | * | preglow looks forward to sound on sansa |
| 22:39:15 | Bagder | "The problem was that one of the magic |
| 22:39:15 | Bagder | values in the MI4 is different for e200r mi4 than for any other MI4s |
| 22:39:15 | Bagder | out there." |
| 22:39:37 | linuxstb | Why are there so many reports of "bricking' surrounding the sansa? Is the install risky? |
| 22:39:38 | Bagder | so even scramble will need some adjusting |
| 22:39:59 | dan_a | linuxstb: No, the users are special |
| 22:40:08 | alienbiker99 | lol |
| 22:40:08 | Bagder | linuxstb: I don't understand why, but in general sansa users seems to go crazy more often |
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| 22:41:20 | dan_a | When the instructions say "copy this file", the users take that to mean "format the drive, then copy the file. And a picture renamed as "bootloader.bin" |
| 22:42:05 | alienbiker99 | people that cant read directions correctly shouldnt even attempt to install anything |
| 22:42:15 | Bagder | several users have said they formatted the 16mb rescue drive |
| 22:42:21 | Bagder | completely insane |
| 22:43:07 | evilx__ | lol |
| 22:43:08 | linuxstb | It sounds like Sandisk have made a very complex device though, with their 38 different USB modes... |
| 22:43:28 | Bagder | true |
| 22:43:30 | alienbiker99 | would having an interface with pictures ever have a chance to be commited? |
| 22:43:31 | evilx__ | what im not so post to mv picture.jpg bootloader.bin |
| 22:44:11 | linuxstb | alienbiker99: If it was done efficiently, then there would probably be some support for it. |
| 22:44:26 | alienbiker99 | ok |
| 22:44:32 | linuxstb | (imho |
| 22:44:34 | linuxstb | ) |
| 22:45:42 | linuxstb | alienbiker99: Are you thinking of implementing it, or just asking? |
| 22:45:55 | alienbiker99 | i might learn to code, as having an interface like that would be nicer than just plaintext, or even have it as an extra package so it doesnt take the space for people that dont want it |
| 22:46:00 | dan_a | alienbiker99: My opinion would be yes, as long as it worked with charcell and freyscale targets |
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| 22:46:48 | alienbiker99 | are those greyscale devices? |
| 22:46:49 | dan_a | (freyscale is more commonly called greyscale...) |
| 22:46:53 | alienbiker99 | ok |
| 22:47:11 | dan_a | charcell devices don't have graphics |
| 22:47:32 | pixelma | dan_a: and what about mono targets? ;) |
| 22:47:38 | winchester_ | linuxstb: another thing... rolo also seems to freeze on "executing..." if something is playing or even paused when I run it. |
| 22:47:45 | winchester_ | anyway..... I'll shut up about rolo >.> |
| 22:47:58 | pixelma | dan_a: (as in mono LCD of course) |
| 22:47:59 | alienbiker99 | hmm i wonder how hard it would be, i guessi should learn some c |
| 22:48:03 | dan_a | pixelma: I think "freyscale" is a new word meaning "greyscale/mono" |
| 22:48:22 | pixelma | hehe |
| 22:49:59 | dan_a | Doesn't rolo steal the audio buffer? |
| 22:51:04 | Soap | m0s: except for buffering large movies, my tests indicate dubious benifit of using a 64MB build. There are many scenarios in which such a build could decrease runtime. |
| 22:51:06 | winchester_ | playback stops... but it doesn't actually load properly unless playback is stopped (not paused) beforehand.... also the linux kernel is more unstable later |
| 22:52:27 | m0s | thanks Soap |
| 22:52:33 | dan_a | winchester_: I'm pretty sure I know why that is |
| 22:52:34 | m0s | u use rockbox to watch movies? |
| 22:52:45 | Soap | no |
| 22:54:23 | winchester_ | dan_a: meh... guess I'll just stick with rebooting and using loader 2 for now. |
| 22:55:22 | m0s | u use the reg ipod interface to play videos? |
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| 22:58:17 | dan_a | hmmm... RoLo should stop audio. Time to do some testing |
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| 22:59:59 | linuxstb | winchester_: If you stop playback manually, does rolo work? |
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| 23:01:21 | winchester_ | no actually |
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| 23:02:12 | winchester_ | if I start rockbox and go straight to the kernel... it works.... (freezes later.... but loads)..... if I play something then pause or stop it.... it just freezes on "Executing" |
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| 23:13:08 | random81 | sorry, it was a typo don't rub it in:) |
| 23:13:34 | winchester_ | lol |
| 23:13:47 | winchester_ | ah.... we had a whole pattern thing going >=/ |
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| 23:14:34 | Soap | m0s: I don't watch videos on my music player. |
| 23:14:37 | winchester_ | nuh it's dead now |
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| 23:20:40 | m0s | soap which ipod u have? |
| 23:20:54 | Soap | 5th gen 60GB |
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| 23:21:09 | linuxstb | Anyone know where the flash ROM is on the non-ipod PP targets? I'm assuming it's always at 0x0? |
| 23:21:12 | m0s | oh the same as me |
| 23:21:13 | m0s | coo |
| 23:21:36 | preglow | linuxstb: it's pretty much got to be |
| 23:21:49 | preglow | either that or 0xf0000000 (or something) |
| 23:22:45 | Soap | The Sansa Raphosody players are cheaper (subsidised?) than their non-R counterparts are they not? |
| 23:23:13 | * | Bagder haven't checked... |
| 23:23:29 | preglow | that would be a very ironic choice for a rockbox player, then |
| 23:23:36 | Soap | indeed. |
| 23:25:23 | Soap | best buy = $220 for the e270, and the e270R. |
| 23:25:35 | linuxstb | preglow: Can you think of a reason to not permanently remap flash to 0x20000000? I'm assuming we leave the flash visible on all other targets - otherwise the dump_rom debug screens wouldn't work... |
| 23:25:48 | Bagder | here it seems the R models are with radio, while the non-Rs are not |
| 23:25:51 | m0s | is there a way to change the display when I plug my ipod into my PC the "Do not disconnect" photo? |
| 23:25:55 | linuxstb | Although we probably don't have a choice on the other targets... |
| 23:26:04 | Bagder | so the R models turn out more expensive |
| 23:26:06 | preglow | linuxstb: sounds good to me |
| 23:26:22 | preglow | linuxstb: do a couple of test runs, then enable it if you see no problems |
| 23:26:26 | winchester_ | m0s: yeah, look up ipodwizard or something like that |
| 23:27:04 | m0s | will it worth in conjuction with rockboc |
| 23:27:07 | m0s | rockbox |
| 23:27:14 | winchester_ | no |
| 23:27:23 | m0s | k |
| 23:27:43 | winchester_ | it just for changing text, fonts and graphics in the original apple firmware |
| 23:28:33 | m0s | but the one in rockbox is different than the standard one isn't there a way to change tthat? |
| 23:29:05 | winchester_ | are you talking about the USB connection thing that comes up when you plug it into the computer before it goes into disk mode? |
| 23:29:44 | m0s | no I'm talkin about after it goes to disk mode |
| 23:29:48 | Bagder | nls: nice green size row there! |
| 23:29:50 | m0s | and it says 'do not diconnect' |
| 23:30:04 | winchester_ | that's not different to the original firmware |
| 23:31:26 | winchester_ | and to change that you would want ipodwizard... |
| 23:31:32 | m0s | ok |
| 23:34:39 | markun | Nico_P: I am now |
| 23:38:31 | evilx__ | when i unzip a theme and put it all where it belongs, how come it doesnt show up in browse themes? |
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| 23:39:16 | linuxstb | Was there a .cfg file in the theme .zip, and did you put it in .rockbox/themes/ ? |
| 23:40:28 | linuxstb | m0s: That disk mode screen is in flash ROM, and I'm almost certain ipodwizard can't modify that. |
| 23:40:33 | evilx__ | hum |
| 23:40:35 | evilx__ | never got put in ther |
| 23:40:36 | evilx__ | there |
| 23:40:37 | evilx__ | interesting |
| 23:41:38 | m0s | thx |
| 23:43:30 | winchester_ | linuxstb: doesn't the ipod flash after rewritting the firmware? |
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| 23:44:49 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 23:45:21 | linuxstb | (if the "do flash" flag is set in the firmware image written to the disk). |
| 23:46:46 | winchester_ | I just know I used to have different Do not disconenct image ages ago.... and that I used ipodwizard to get that |
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| 23:47:35 | winchester_ | and now going through their wiki and themes..... they definatly have different images for it |
| 23:49:03 | m0s | but nothing that can be used in rb |
| 23:50:24 | winchester_ | if you use the patched firmware.... then after the ipod flashes it... strap the bootloader, it should work shouldn't it? |
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| 23:52:45 | linuxstb | There are two disk modes in Apple's firmware - the "emergency" disk mode in flash ROM (which is what Rockbox reboots into), and the disk mode in the main Apple firmware. |
| 23:53:04 | linuxstb | afaik, it's only the main Apple firmware that ipodwizard modifies. |
| 23:53:13 | linuxstb | (but I've never used it) |
| 23:54:00 | winchester_ | ah ok... I wasn't sure how exactly RB gets into disk mode |
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