| 00:00:33 | dan_a | BigMac: No - it's a pretty big change, so I'm going to ask on the developers mailing list if anyone has any objections/questions, and get it documented on the Wiki before I commit it |
| 00:01:20 | BigMac | Ah ok, well I would think that that would qualify for an entry under the News Heading? |
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| 00:01:51 | Llorean | BigMac: Probably just a MajorChanges entry |
| 00:02:05 | dan_a | It's not a change that users will really notice |
| 00:02:48 | Shaid | unless they have a 4th gen or a mini, really. |
| 00:03:13 | preglow | aaargh |
| 00:03:14 | dan_a | Oh, wait... IIRC it doesn't work properly on the G3 yet |
| 00:03:14 | Llorean | dan_a: 5G users seem to maintain it increases UI responsiveness during playback. |
| 00:03:20 | preglow | my iram dump differs in several places |
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| 00:04:05 | dan_a | Shaid: It might help stability there, but that's a side effect rather than something I've been working at |
| 00:04:25 | dan_a | Llorean: Weren't there also some reports of worse UI performance? |
| 00:04:31 | Shaid | dan_a: I wont tell anyone it was an accident if you don't. ;) |
| 00:04:37 | Llorean | dan_a: I think only with that one bad syncing of the patch. |
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| 00:06:22 | dan_a | I suppose I should get the RoLo changes in first |
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| 00:07:47 | Llorean | Yeah, it would be nice for RoLo not to break with the dual core update. |
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| 00:08:41 | Llorean | dan_a: Does a dual core build depend on the bootloader? Can it be booted successfully without one (for example, if I -wf rockbox.ipod with ipodpatcher)? |
| 00:09:23 | linuxstb | The Rockbox bootloader should be doing the same as Apple's bootloader, so -wf should work. |
| 00:09:35 | linuxstb | But the first version of the Rockbox bootloader didn't. |
| 00:10:33 | linuxstb | Fixing the 4g/mini bootloaders to handle the COP would be useful though.... |
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| 00:11:08 | dan_a | What linuxstb just said! The only bootloader issue is if people are using Rockbox bootloaders from August 2006 or earlier |
| 00:11:34 | dan_a | linuxstb: They do handle the COP, don't they? |
| 00:11:58 | linuxstb | No, the only working 4g/mini bootloaders don't handle the COP (afair) |
| 00:12:23 | Llorean | Working as in "Can load the Apple_OS as well", right?\ |
| 00:12:38 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 00:14:33 | preglow | i wonder why iram contains file names from the fat32 partition... |
| 00:14:48 | dan_a | There should be a period where there were working bootloaders in CVS which handled the COP |
| 00:17:04 | dmdfan | Does dual core support have any affect on battery life? |
| 00:17:32 | Llorean | dmdfan: Jury's out on that. |
| 00:18:16 | dmdfan | didn't quite get that(?) |
| 00:18:31 | Llorean | There isn't enough testing |
| 00:18:32 | dan_a | dmdfan: It's +/-5% |
| 00:18:44 | dmdfan | right |
| 00:18:52 | dan_a | (from the tests that have been done) |
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| 00:27:05 | preglow | hmm |
| 00:27:36 | preglow | would anyone consider it ok if the alarm time was reset it each time the alarm triggered? |
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| 00:28:22 | petur | reset like disabled? |
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| 00:29:30 | feld_ | hey guys |
| 00:29:48 | feld_ | last time i checked out this project there were issues with rockbox on the ipod regarding battery life. this was back in like November |
| 00:30:01 | feld_ | has the ipod issues generally been fixed? |
| 00:30:17 | preglow | petur: bot |
| 00:30:18 | preglow | h |
| 00:30:29 | BigBambi | feld_, no |
| 00:30:29 | preglow | petur: so that the next time you entered the alarm screen, time would be 00:00 |
| 00:30:45 | petur | bah |
| 00:30:56 | BigBambi | feld_, Not as far as battery life is concerned |
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| 00:31:18 | feld_ | yeah last i remember it had something to do with the processors burning up too much battery life. needed some bug fixes. |
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| 00:31:28 | petur | preglow: what about using it as daily alarm clock |
| 00:31:42 | markun | preglow: while searching for "open-source HRTF" I only encounter todo/wish lists :) |
| 00:31:44 | feld_ | BigBambi: what player has the best support from rockbox? |
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| 00:32:17 | preglow | markun: haha |
| 00:32:36 | BigBambi | Feld: The archos', then for software targets the irver h1x0 and h3x0, closley followed by x5 and gigabeat, then h10 and ipods |
| 00:32:54 | feld_ | thanks |
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| 00:33:16 | BigBambi | although h1x0, h3x0, x5 and gigabeat are all pretty close |
| 00:33:21 | linuxstb | preglow: You can't just save it as a normal setting, to be restored from the .cfg file when Rockbox boots? |
| 00:33:37 | Mikachu | markun: did you find http://web.ncf.ca/aa508/Software/spatial/ ? (i just searched for hrtf on freshmeat, there's no mention of todo on that page at least :) |
| 00:33:42 | preglow | linuxstb: i guess i could, but i'd rather not |
| 00:34:17 | preglow | i think i'll just wait and see if toni gets bootloader running in the emu tomorrow so i can find out what the bootloader is doing |
| 00:34:18 | markun | Mikachu: no, didn't see that one |
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| 01:04:34 | donvito | Hello Badger are you here? |
| 01:05:13 | petur | donvito: try swapping 'd' and 'g' |
| 01:05:16 | sneakums | "Bagder" |
| 01:05:29 | donvito | haha hey theres the right spelling |
| 01:05:52 | donvito | im from wisconsin, you cannot blame me |
| 01:06:10 | Mikachu | lucky you you're not from canada |
| 01:06:19 | donvito | heh |
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| 01:06:57 | donvito | do you know of anyone besides bagder working on the Sansa E2xxR implementation of Rockbox? |
| 01:07:16 | feld_ | donvito: me too lol |
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| 01:08:32 | dan_a | donvito: I've done a lot of work on the E200 implementation |
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| 01:08:41 | donvito | lets talk |
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| 01:29:18 | anlewsu | nobody's talking here |
| 01:29:23 | Mikachu | very astute |
| 01:29:52 | anlewsu | :) |
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| 01:32:12 | donvito | anyone here getting any further with the e200r stuff? |
| 01:32:34 | anlewsu | E200 |
| 01:32:36 | anlewsu | please |
| 01:32:38 | anlewsu | ^^ |
| 01:33:02 | donvito | e200 is at least working somewhat :P |
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| 02:01:17 | w1ll14m | night all ;o0 |
| 02:01:18 | w1ll14m | ;) |
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| 02:04:40 | JdGordon | w1ll14m_: come baaack! |
| 02:05:13 | JdGordon | oh dw... you replied in the tracker |
| 02:09:21 | DataGhost | category: craziest stuff to put in flashrom firmware |
| 02:09:23 | DataGhost | http://de.dataghost.com/ipl/firmware-wtf.png |
| 02:10:06 | Domonoky_ | :-) |
| 02:11:29 | JdGordon | ... |
| 02:11:36 | JdGordon | there is one on either side of it also |
| 02:12:20 | JdGordon | and I dont see why thats crazy.. woudlnt that just be the bmp of the image for the rom anyway? |
| 02:12:49 | ashridah | JdGordon: not that well aligned |
| 02:13:17 | DataGhost | also a coincidence |
| 02:13:26 | DataGhost | it doesn't look as good in my 16bytes-per-line-hexedit |
| 02:13:27 | DataGhost | or |
| 02:13:41 | DataGhost | 32* |
| 02:14:49 | DataGhost | same at 16 though |
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| 02:17:13 | DataGhost | it's got to be a multiple of 12 :) |
| 02:17:30 | DataGhost | which is, by coincidence, also the amount of bytes you can output in a hexdump on the iPod screen |
| 02:18:50 | Shaid | yeah |
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| 02:18:56 | Shaid | the do not disconnect image is in there too |
| 02:19:04 | DataGhost | oh |
| 02:19:07 | Shaid | first thing I noticed after dumping the firmware |
| 02:20:31 | Shaid | I don't know why they'd store them in there like that, it doesn't strike me as the most efficient way. |
| 02:23:40 | DataGhost | "D:\workspace\may\RMA\M25B_Intro_RMA\service diag\drivers\vchost.c" |
| 02:23:44 | DataGhost | why is that in the firmware :o |
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| 02:26:33 | JdGordon | sif they care about efficiency in the firmware |
| 02:26:37 | DataGhost | :) |
| 02:26:59 | Shaid | half the firmware is empty anyway |
| 02:27:14 | JdGordon | nt even being sarcastic... they have 32/64mb ram, and 100mb set aside for it.. so its not really important like it is in rockbox |
| 02:27:50 | Shaid | we're talking the 1mb flashrom, aren't we? |
| 02:28:03 | JdGordon | oh, i dunno :p |
| 02:28:15 | DataGhost | hehe |
| 02:28:16 | DataGhost | I am |
| 02:28:34 | DataGhost | now I just need to figure out arm asm and get some time from somewhere |
| 02:29:07 | DataGhost | because the flashrom thingy is encrypted in the firmware image, afaik... so maybe there's a key in there which decrypts that and which might also decrypt the nano 2G firmware |
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| 02:29:46 | DataGhost | but that's not very easy :) |
| 02:30:25 | Shaid | did you have a fun week snowboarding? |
| 02:30:40 | DataGhost | yeah |
| 02:30:44 | DataGhost | how does everyone know :o |
| 02:30:51 | DataGhost | :) |
| 02:31:05 | Shaid | www.ipodlinux.org/5.5g |
| 02:31:11 | DataGhost | hehe |
| 02:31:19 | DataGhost | I put it on there... right |
| 02:31:31 | Shaid | hey wait |
| 02:31:34 | Shaid | it's working now? |
| 02:31:47 | DataGhost | for me and for the devs :) |
| 02:31:57 | Shaid | nice. |
| 02:31:59 | DataGhost | the code is being reviewed and should be in svn in a couple of days, I guess |
| 02:32:34 | Shaid | my 80g is wallowing in OF hell atm. |
| 02:32:43 | Shaid | I guess most people are in the same boat though... |
| 02:33:00 | DataGhost | most |
| 02:33:14 | DataGhost | it's partially usable with that kernel I 'released' a couple of weeks ago |
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| 02:33:28 | DataGhost | but then you'd have to create a huge ext3 partition and put all your stuff on there, since it can't read fat32 |
| 02:33:31 | Shaid | yeah, but I'm a nice guy and wont download things you didn't want out there. |
| 02:33:41 | DataGhost | hehe |
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| 03:02:36 | bagawk | Bagder: do you think you could put a say [rockbox-dev] prefix in the mailing list subjects? just minimizes confusion when you get lots of mail |
| 03:03:33 | JdGordon | its called mail filters.. :) |
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| 03:06:29 | JdGordon | doh! |
| 03:06:40 | Soap | aye - there is already fields in the header ye can use to sort. |
| 03:06:58 | Mikachu | is it pirate day today? |
| 03:07:15 | JdGordon | no.. sep 19th isnt today!! |
| 03:07:19 | Mikachu | heh |
| 03:07:22 | Mouser_X | That's what I was going to say. |
| 03:07:23 | Mikachu | just looked it up |
| 03:07:24 | JdGordon | or it is where Soap lives? |
| 03:07:36 | * | Mouser_X time travels. |
| 03:07:37 | Mikachu | yes he lives on saturn where it's september 19th today |
| 03:07:39 | bagawk | JdGordon: yes, that can be done but this still keeps confusion toa minimum |
| 03:07:44 | Mouser_X | As such, it's hard to keep track sometimes. |
| 03:07:46 | JdGordon | true.. |
| 03:08:15 | Soap | nay, it's the 4927th of September 1993 where Soap lives. |
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| 03:08:51 | Mouser_X | Comeing to us from an alternate reality? |
| 03:09:02 | Soap | bagawk: if you add a prefix to every subject line you're stealing 12 character widths of my screen real-estate. |
| 03:09:14 | Mouser_X | Or, is your date system radically different than the rest of the world? |
| 03:09:52 | Soap | just sort on sender = rockbox-dev-bounces |
| 03:10:02 | Soap | and drop into another folder if you wish. |
| 03:10:34 | bagawk | Soap: well, standard terminal size is 80x24, don't think that is taking too much :) |
| 03:10:44 | scorche | i have it auto sort into a different folder |
| 03:11:10 | Soap | bagawk: 15%? Because you won't run a filter? |
| 03:11:22 | * | JdGordon loves gmail filters... I have 4 different ones for rockbox :p |
| 03:11:43 | Soap | Mouser_X: I assume you are under the age of 30 |
| 03:11:44 | Soap | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September |
| 03:12:51 | Mouser_X | Soap: You would assume correctly. |
| 03:13:06 | Mouser_X | I've never been on usenet. |
| 03:14:00 | Soap | when I was in college we had USENET, FIDO, email and MUDS. That was (almost) all there was. |
| 03:14:23 | Soap | *MUDs |
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| 03:15:44 | Anon7266 | Hey Febs about? |
| 03:15:46 | Anon7266 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Remove_SAT_Encryption |
| 03:16:03 | Anon7266 | _Formely_ Missing Plugins |
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| 03:16:17 | BigMac | Formerly correct? |
| 03:16:42 | Soap | ohh, and gopher |
| 03:16:57 | ashridah | ah, email via uucp |
| 03:16:59 | ashridah | happy days |
| 03:17:29 | BigMac | Soap:Ever get around to writing that guide or are you still busy |
| 03:17:43 | Soap | Can you solder BigMac? |
| 03:17:49 | BigMac | Yes |
| 03:17:53 | Febs | BigMac, perhaps I am missing something, but I have no idea what you're talking about. |
| 03:18:20 | Soap | BigMac: what part are you having trouble with? |
| 03:18:21 | BigMac | Febs: Search on that page for Formely Missing plugins |
| 03:18:27 | BigMac | it should be FORMERLY |
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| 03:19:31 | BigMac | Soap: Well I haven't looked at the links for a while, but I wasn't quite sure what pins to solder to and just pretty much how to make the jack |
| 03:19:34 | BigMac | so everything |
| 03:19:42 | BigMac | I only have basic soldering knowledge |
| 03:19:45 | Febs | BigMac, please feel free to correct the spelling. |
| 03:19:54 | Soap | BigMac: There is a pin-out on the ipodlinux wiki. |
| 03:20:00 | Febs | It's a wiki, after all. |
| 03:20:11 | BigMac | Febs: DOn't have a wiki account, thought I would point it out to you because I guessed you do |
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| 03:20:49 | Soap | None of the the words Formely Missing, or Plugins appear on that page. |
| 03:21:01 | BigMac | hmm maybe a wrong link |
| 03:21:24 | BigMac | or google Formely Missing Plugins and 1st result should be it |
| 03:21:31 | Febs | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Former_Patches_Formely_Missing_P |
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| 03:22:24 | Anon0908 | woops |
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| 03:22:37 | Soap | odd, why did FF not find that. |
| 03:22:49 | BigMac | No idea, I am in IE |
| 03:23:13 | BigMac | On this page |
| 03:23:13 | BigMac | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort |
| 03:23:22 | BigMac | Down near the bottom |
| 03:23:27 | BigMac | it is one of the headings |
| 03:23:44 | BigMac | The heading is Former Patches, Formely Missing Plugins, and Squashed Bugs now integrated in SVN |
| 03:24:17 | Febs | BigMac, as long as you're here, there is an issue that I've been meaning to address with you. |
| 03:24:32 | BigMac | Yes? |
| 03:24:48 | Febs | This "Keep ROCKing On" tag that you put on every post. Please stop. |
| 03:24:57 | Febs | If you want to use that, put it in your signature. |
| 03:25:02 | BigMac | sigh Ok |
| 03:27:33 | BigMac | Soap:Is this the base wiki? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPodLinux |
| 03:27:45 | Soap | nah |
| 03:27:54 | Soap | I linked the page in that recording thread. |
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| 03:28:02 | BigMac | Ah ok merci |
| 03:28:02 | XavierGr | Febs, then I guess all people who put their names on the end should put it on their signature |
| 03:29:05 | BigMac | The only reason I didn't stop earlier is because it didn't seem to matter. I mean you don't get "points" for the more words you type and if it was in my signature they would see it anyway |
| 03:29:25 | Febs | XavierGr: well, that IS what a signature is. |
| 03:29:42 | Mikachu | i think you can turn off viewing signatures? |
| 03:29:51 | XavierGr | Febs: then we agree and so BigMac is not the only one to scold about it :P |
| 03:30:01 | XavierGr | +be |
| 03:30:19 | XavierGr | bah forget it my grammar and suntax sucks |
| 03:30:29 | Febs | I didn't realize his name was "Keep ROCKing on." |
| 03:30:51 | XavierGr | well a signature is to put a tag |
| 03:30:54 | XavierGr | or a name |
| 03:31:12 | XavierGr | if people put their name on the end of the post then better do it on the signature right? |
| 03:32:03 | Febs | I would prefer that. |
| 03:32:08 | XavierGr | indeed |
| 03:32:18 | Febs | I often read the forums on the WAP-enabled page. |
| 03:32:58 | XavierGr | ah there is wap-enabled forum? very nice |
| 03:33:02 | Febs | That page doesn't show signatures. It does show "Keep ROCKing on" over and over. |
| 03:33:28 | Febs | (and don't even get me started on posts titled "HELP") |
| 03:33:33 | Febs | ;) |
| 03:33:46 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 03:33:48 | BigMac | Or "Plz Help ME I AM A NEWB |
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| 03:34:43 | BigMac | I hate when I am reading and it says that, but for some reason I feel compelled tyo read the thread |
| 03:34:53 | Soap | Febs: what is the WAP page just /WAP ? |
| 03:35:45 | scorche | Soap: it is slightly different...i ahvent been on it for a bit though |
| 03:35:52 | Febs | Actually, I'm not sure. When I load forums.rockbox.org from my Treo, it automatically loads. |
| 03:36:15 | scorche | because it sees the mobile tag or whatever in the user agent |
| 03:36:20 | Soap | ahh, I'll look into Opera's settings then, see if I can't change how it identifies itself. |
| 03:36:27 | scorche | user agent |
| 03:36:33 | scorche | i ampretty sure |
| 03:36:44 | scorche | i cant type |
| 03:39:02 | BigMac | Soap: According to this Soap: http://ipodlinux.org/Dock_Connector , I would use pins 5 and 6 right? |
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| 03:44:43 | aliask | Anyone know what type of hard disk the gigabeat x series use? (pin or ribbon) |
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| 03:53:18 | Soap | BigMac: yes |
| 03:54:24 | BigMac | Ok I will check the rest of the thread for how to make the rest of the dongle |
| 03:54:39 | BigMac | I will prolly buy a few so I can make a line in and out |
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| 04:02:24 | BigMac | Ok Soap what gauge wire do you reccomend getting, I saw something about 18 being the max |
| 04:02:52 | BigMac | and I still haven't found out where I would buy the 3.5mm female port |
| 04:04:52 | BigMac | Radioshack or similar? |
| 04:05:23 | scorche | that would work |
| 04:07:18 | BigMac | Ok and what gauge wiring (taking notes for my trip to the store). I am guessing there will be 2 wires pertruding from the jack? or otherwise how do I wire the dock connector to it |
| 04:08:44 | scorche | you solder the wires tot eh jack... |
| 04:09:18 | Shaid | what're you building? |
| 04:10:14 | Soap | BigMac: radiohack, salvage one, or any of a million online parts dealers. |
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| 04:11:00 | BigMac | Shaid: A line in and line out adapter |
| 04:11:03 | Soap | there will be 3 or 4 coming from the jack if you salvage it, L- L+ R- R+, probably only three if you make the cable yourself. |
| 04:11:26 | BigMac | Oh and the wires gauge? |
| 04:12:03 | BigMac | and sorry, but is there like a cover I snap over the wires so they aren't out in the open |
| 04:12:37 | BigMac | wait wait |
| 04:12:42 | BigMac | I figure it out |
| 04:12:47 | Soap | i suggest removing unused pins neighboring the ones you will be working on, and take a connector with you to the store. The gague of wire you use will depend on how good you are. The bigger the wire the more perfectly you need to place it, and the more diffcult it will be to route them out of the connector w/o straining the pins. |
| 04:12:52 | BigMac | You strip the ends of the wire |
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| 04:13:52 | BigMac | Ok so get a low gauge then |
| 04:14:07 | scorche | ...have you really soldered before? |
| 04:14:21 | scorche | the lowe the gauge, the bigger the wire |
| 04:14:23 | Soap | I strongly suggest hot-gluing the inside of the connector when you are done to limit transmission of cable movement to the pins, being careful not to block the movement of the side latch pins with the glue gob. |
| 04:14:44 | BigMac | scorcheOnly once or twice in classes at school |
| 04:15:00 | Shaid | hot glue is fun |
| 04:15:25 | BigMac | Soap: AN I break of all the other pins besides the ones I need? |
| 04:15:30 | BigMac | *And |
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| 04:15:57 | Soap | you can always use a drill bit (but not the drill) in your hand to enlarge the hole of the strain-relief boot to fit your cable through. I also suggest, when you are done, you glue the strain boot to the cable, for the same reason as hot-gluing the inside. |
| 04:16:14 | Soap | for line-in I'd break 3, 4, 7, 8 |
| 04:16:25 | BigMac | Yah I read that part in the thread |
| 04:16:42 | BigMac | Soap: And for out? |
| 04:16:42 | Soap | 1 and 2 are bonded on the motherboad, so keep both of them. |
| 04:16:57 | Soap | out is a bit trickier, as you need to use 1, 2, 3, 4 |
| 04:17:28 | BigMac | So do I have to solder the two positives together? |
| 04:17:36 | BigMac | or am I assuming wrong |
| 04:17:45 | BigMac | For the line out |
| 04:18:04 | Soap | no, one positive goes to 3 one goes to 4. |
| 04:18:25 | Soap | they can not touch unless you want mono sound the hard way. |
| 04:18:45 | BigMac | http://home.swipnet.se/ridax/connector.htm |
| 04:18:53 | BigMac | Would connector T work? |
| 04:19:23 | BigMac | I heard you reccomend A |
| 04:19:28 | BigMac | reccommend |
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| 04:19:40 | BigMac | But T just looks nicer |
| 04:19:49 | Soap | whoa - they fancied up the site. |
| 04:20:04 | hj | Anybody than me have a problem with "Codec something" trying to play anything. The problem was introduced sometimes between saturday and this morning. |
| 04:20:04 | BigMac | Really lmao |
| 04:20:18 | BigMac | Soap: That is possibly the worst site I have ever seen |
| 04:20:57 | Soap | you do not want T. |
| 04:21:10 | BigMac | Ok |
| 04:21:13 | Shaid | the wifi antenna advert on that site is distrubing |
| 04:21:16 | Soap | it is as cramped as F, plus there is a full shield inside, even less room. |
| 04:21:17 | BigMac | Get A then? |
| 04:21:26 | Soap | A or E |
| 04:21:34 | Soap | you want the room for audio cables. |
| 04:22:09 | Soap | If you were doing 20 gague data wires I'd use a sleek one, but you want room for larger audio cables and you want the strain relief boots. |
| 04:24:44 | BigMac | Ok and both wires are positive so oes it matter which wires I plug them into? |
| 04:25:36 | Soap | both wires? |
| 04:25:42 | Soap | you should have at least 3 |
| 04:25:44 | illdred | bye! |
| 04:26:00 | BigMac | I should? I thought there was only two pins from the dock connector |
| 04:26:01 | Soap | and Yes, Right goes to right and left to left. |
| 04:26:14 | Soap | there are three or four pins to use. |
| 04:26:21 | | Part hj |
| 04:26:24 | Soap | R+ R- L+ L- |
| 04:26:25 | BigMac | Ok are they labeled thoughA? |
| 04:26:37 | BigMac | Ah ok so they will come like that |
| 04:26:39 | Soap | that's what that pinout we have been talking about is. |
| 04:26:51 | Soap | not labeled on the connector. |
| 04:27:06 | BigMac | Well I am lost |
| 04:27:09 | Soap | you need to figure out which side is "up" (screen side of ipod" |
| 04:27:18 | BigMac | are the 4 wires that will be from the dock connector |
| 04:27:21 | Soap | the pinout on the IPL wikipage. |
| 04:27:27 | BigMac | Yes |
| 04:27:50 | Soap | there are no wires on the dock connector, just pins. There will be 3 or 4 wires from your audio connector. |
| 04:28:04 | BigMac | Ah ok |
| 04:28:07 | Soap | 3 if you run a common ground, 4 if you use shielded audio wires. |
| 04:28:27 | BigMac | So I take the R+ and the L= and solder them to the pins |
| 04:28:43 | BigMac | then I take the other two wires and just snip them off? |
| 04:30:13 | Soap | Tis me bedtime, I'm not going to teach basic electronics, I'm sorry. |
| 04:30:31 | BigMac | Ok thank for the help you gave |
| 04:30:49 | scorche | BigMac: go to tangentsoft.net there are some good basic tutorials there |
| 04:30:55 | BigMac | Ok |
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| 05:17:01 | Shaid | use textpad in batch mode? |
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| 05:52:03 | JETC- | i'm having some problems trying to compile rockbox |
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| 06:01:25 | netmancer | I also have a bit of a problem ... i RTFM and looked through the forum. I am running Rockbox on my 5g Video ipod for some time now and love it ... however i don't like the fact that when it "sleeps" it reboots into the bootloader... is there a way to have it always come back up to Rockbox? |
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| 06:26:17 | t0dk0n | on ipod video's... is there a file important to rockbox called "Image.nrg"? |
| 06:26:23 | t0dk0n | or can I remove that? |
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| 06:26:36 | t0dk0n | on the root file system |
| 06:27:01 | JdGordon | nrg is a nero cdom image |
| 06:27:04 | JdGordon | cdom* |
| 06:27:06 | JdGordon | cdrom* |
| 06:27:18 | JdGordon | nothing to do with rockbox |
| 06:27:23 | t0dk0n | oooh, hmm, I think I might have done that with Zenwalk a long ass time ago then |
| 06:27:24 | t0dk0n | :P |
| 06:27:26 | t0dk0n | lol thanks |
| 06:27:29 | t0dk0n | need to remove that then |
| 06:28:21 | t0dk0n | wow.. removing that and the photo database from the ipod firmware free'd up 1.1 gig |
| 06:30:07 | JdGordon | probably because that file was 800mb or so? |
| 06:30:39 | t0dk0n | the nrg was about 400 |
| 06:30:43 | floam | anyone think the 5g iPods broadcom chip's "3d" abilities would include actually doing this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFwEcmn26zI |
| 06:30:54 | floam | the data sheet says it does have some limited acceleration |
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| 06:31:36 | t0dk0n | prolly |
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| 06:41:06 | nas | is there work being done on the ipod nano 2nd gen |
| 06:41:11 | BHSPitMonkey | none |
| 06:41:21 | nas | none? |
| 06:41:26 | BHSPitMonkey | none. |
| 06:41:31 | nas | is it not possible |
| 06:41:36 | BHSPitMonkey | basically |
| 06:41:45 | nas | that sucks |
| 06:41:53 | nas | encrypted firmware? |
| 06:41:55 | BHSPitMonkey | write a letter to apple thanking them |
| 06:41:56 | BHSPitMonkey | yeah |
| 06:42:07 | nas | assholes |
| 06:42:19 | ashridah | is that the new non-portalplayer ipod? |
| 06:42:20 | nas | just got one tonight |
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| 06:43:23 | m0s- | that sucks ass |
| 06:44:17 | ashridah | i'm starting to consider buying a new mp3 player myself. my iriver H140 has served me well, but i think the hd's had a few too many knocks, it takes ages to do stuff when it's moving, while it used to be really quick |
| 06:44:34 | BHSPitMonkey | ashridah, I hear the Gigabeat is pretty hot. |
| 06:44:55 | ashridah | i was more considering the ipod 5.5g 80GB video, but that's not quite supported in rockbox yet |
| 06:45:06 | BHSPitMonkey | indeed |
| 06:45:15 | Shaid | it will be though, eventually |
| 06:45:15 | BHSPitMonkey | anyway |
| 06:45:25 | ashridah | (yes, i'm looking to buy hardware based on rockbox support only, closely followed by how decent the output stage of the unit is) |
| 06:45:34 | ashridah | Shaid: so i've been reading, subject to time, of course |
| 06:46:21 | nas | http://www.ipodlinux.org/Nano2G |
| 06:46:28 | nas | maybe someday |
| 06:46:39 | nas | looks like somebody is at least looking into it |
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| 06:47:37 | nas | is it encrypted on the ipod 5.5g 80GB? |
| 06:47:44 | ashridah | no |
| 06:47:59 | ashridah | it's just got a disk drive using ATA-7 |
| 06:48:07 | ashridah | which rockbox doesn't support properly yet |
| 06:48:28 | nas | http://www.linux4nano.org/drupal/ |
| 06:50:37 | floam | nas: at iPodLinux they have apparently figured it out: http://www.ipodlinux.org/5.5g#Development_news |
| 06:50:54 | floam | but I guess they hide things from prospective developers as policy, since you can't get the code anywhere |
| 06:51:16 | nas | awesome i read that right away |
| 06:52:46 | nas | oh thats just 5.5g |
| 06:53:10 | floam | correct; I thought you were asking if the ipod 5.5g 80GB was encrypted above? |
| 06:53:36 | nas | ya |
| 06:53:51 | floam | which it is not, from what google tells me it was just ATA-7ness |
| 06:55:09 | sneakums | yeah, the 80G drive has a physical sector size of 1K, so IO has to be in units of 1K at 1K boundaries |
| 06:55:20 | floam | oh, it appears DataGhost in here is the same person from the ipodlinux wiki |
| 06:55:33 | nas | such bullshit |
| 06:55:47 | nas | i bought the ipod i should be able to run what ever i want on it |
| 06:55:53 | nas | assholes |
| 06:56:18 | m0s- | u would think that would be the case |
| 06:56:18 | floam | sneakums: are 1KB sectors defined in ATA-7? Or were those old hypothesii? |
| 06:56:51 | sneakums | i don't know what spec revision it was introduced in, but the drive reports the requirement correctly |
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| 06:59:26 | pearldiver | i think the crossfade is broken since yesterday |
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| 07:00:35 | m0s- | it would be dope if rb could implement bpm |
| 07:01:17 | m0s- | and be able to mix them |
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| 07:01:43 | m0s- | lol |
| 07:01:59 | floam | calculating BPM? or just reading tags? |
| 07:02:10 | m0s- | calculating BPMs |
| 07:02:11 | floam | calculation would probably take a long time |
| 07:02:23 | floam | it isn't even very fast on my Mac Pro |
| 07:03:14 | m0s- | if BPMs could get embedded into the mp3 that would be dope |
| 07:03:52 | aliask | I think ogg has a space in the tags to set BPM |
| 07:04:11 | floam | some software will read a BPM attribute in ID3, and there are similar unofficial analgoues in vorbis |
| 07:04:50 | floam | I think iTunes has a spot for it in mpeg4 streams, but I am not so sure it is defined in a standard anywhere, they probably just made it up |
| 07:04:52 | m0s- | but even so it's not like RB can have them mix identical mp3s |
| 07:04:59 | sneakums | aliask: vorbis tags are essentially freeform, so you can put anything you want in there |
| 07:05:22 | aliask | sneakums: Well so is ID3v2... |
| 07:05:43 | sneakums | i thought they used some weird four-letter scheme for tag names |
| 07:05:56 | sneakums | but i don't use mp3, so i wouldn't know |
| 07:06:07 | m0s- | all hail flac |
| 07:06:07 | floam | this is sort of the unofficial standard for vorbis tags: http://www.gophernet.org/articles/vorbiscomment/ |
| 07:06:12 | aliask | Yeah, so software packages can add new ones. |
| 07:06:22 | floam | if something isn't listed there, it is doubtful any software will do anything with them |
| 07:06:32 | floam | m0s-: FLAC uses vorbis comments |
| 07:06:45 | m0s- | gotcha |
| 07:07:02 | aliask | Hrm maybe it wasn't ogg that had it, I remember seeing BPM in the tagging screen from winamp |
| 07:07:08 | m0s- | so would it be possible to have like a mixing program built into RB to mix identical BPMs? |
| 07:07:21 | floam | what exactly do you mean by mix? |
| 07:07:32 | aliask | m0s-: It's highly unlikely |
| 07:07:34 | m0s- | like blend |
| 07:07:40 | m0s- | crossfade it |
| 07:07:51 | aliask | floam: I'm guessing match the BPM, then get the beats at the same point then crossfade |
| 07:08:07 | floam | it would probably be trivial to wrote some code that assembles a playlist depending on some similar BPM tags |
| 07:08:14 | floam | and then use standard crossfade features |
| 07:08:20 | floam | I don't know anything about rockbox, just guessing |
| 07:08:29 | aliask | But the trick is getting the beats to coincide with eachother |
| 07:08:52 | m0s- | there are programs for windows that does that |
| 07:09:12 | aliask | Yes, but windows usually has a 1.5ghz+ cpu. iPods have 75mhz. |
| 07:09:20 | floam | aliask: as long as he is making up a tagging system I guess he could include offsets |
| 07:09:21 | m0s- | yep |
| 07:09:43 | m0s- | and that would put me over myself |
| 07:10:10 | aliask | I think the idea was to get rockbox to automate it, but it's not really feasible. |
| 07:10:25 | m0s- | just a random thought |
| 07:10:39 | aliask | I'm not saying it's impossible, I'd love to have it but the way I see it it's unlikely. |
| 07:10:54 | m0s- | yep |
| 07:12:35 | floam | aliask: right. but I think that it calculating it itself is about as unlikely as a device calculating replaygain itself |
| 07:12:47 | aliask | Yeah, exactly. |
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| 08:04:41 | amiconn | mo0ning |
| 08:06:30 | JdGordon | mornign amiconn |
| 08:06:57 | JdGordon | the settings in the radio screen.. can they be changed to be more consistent with every other setting in rockbox? |
| 08:07:07 | JdGordon | i.e not set in the menu without enetering the setting screen? |
| 08:08:23 | amiconn | Which ones are you referring to? |
| 08:08:43 | amiconn | I only remember one setting not being consistent with the rest: fm mono/stereo |
| 08:08:54 | JdGordon | yup, and region |
| 08:09:02 | amiconn | Ah |
| 08:09:28 | JdGordon | the mono mode isnt so bad, but the other one I tihnk is |
| 08:10:00 | amiconn | These composed-string settings aren't good for voicing |
| 08:10:23 | amiconn | I think the fm menu should use the standard settings system |
| 08:11:06 | JdGordon | goody :) |
| 08:11:07 | amiconn | It's a few more button presses, but consistency is good |
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| 08:12:39 | JdGordon | also, I have turned the presets menu into a list instead because it doesnt work well with the new menu code.. and saved 30 odd bytes doing it :p |
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| 09:10:08 | markun | JdGordon: will you save some bytes by turning every menu into a list then? |
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| 09:27:45 | JdGordon | markun: haw haw.. no... the radio presets were done in an odd way so i un-odded them |
| 09:28:20 | JdGordon | only the recorder ondio h300 and x5 has a radio right? |
| 09:33:39 | LinusN | h100 too |
| 09:33:41 | B4gder | some sanas has |
| 09:33:44 | B4gder | sansas |
| 09:34:30 | LinusN | JdGordon: good that you fix the presets list code, it's been bothering me for quite some time |
| 09:35:15 | JdGordon | all the changes in radio.c.. i saved a whopping 32 bytes on the ondio :) |
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| 09:35:33 | GodEater | sneakums: still here ? |
| 09:37:35 | linuxstb | The h10s also have a radio, but I don't think it's implemented yet. |
| 09:37:45 | dan_a | Could I ask people to test FS #5755 on non-PortalPlayer machines, please - I want to make sure it doesn't break anything |
| 09:38:40 | JdGordon | ok, ill check on the h300 for ya |
| 09:39:09 | dan_a | Thanks - it's just the last patch (kocop11.diff) that needs testing |
| 09:39:57 | JdGordon | paths are funny.. but it patched cleanly |
| 09:40:16 | dan_a | JdGordon: You need to do patch -p1 |
| 09:41:10 | dan_a | Which thread does pcm_playback.c get its audio data from? Is it the codec thread or the audio thread? |
| 09:41:41 | JdGordon | seems to work fine |
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| 09:42:10 | JdGordon | anything I shold look for? |
| 09:43:09 | dan_a | Not in particular - I don't expect it to affect anything, I just wanted to be sure. I guess if audio plays then that's the main thing |
| 09:43:27 | JdGordon | ok, working fine |
| 09:44:06 | dan_a | Thanks |
| 09:45:27 | dan_a | Got to go - day job time! |
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| 09:46:09 | petur | LinusN: from all the possible H1x0 defects you know, is there one that breaks USB connectivity? Got a question from somebody about a h1x0 that won't properly connect to pc and wondered if it could be some bad soldering of a daughterbord or something... |
| 09:46:44 | LinusN | petur: it could very well be the daughterboard soldering |
| 09:47:06 | petur | ok, thanks |
| 09:47:33 | LinusN | which reminds me that i should make a tutorial for that in the wiki |
| 09:48:20 | sneakums | GodEater: sure am |
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| 09:50:11 | tucoz | hello |
| 09:50:37 | tucoz | JdGordon: nice that you are fixing the fm menu |
| 09:51:42 | tucoz | is it still 'navi' to enter that menu, or will you change that to a context instead? |
| 09:53:25 | tucoz | i think that radio should behave similar to the wps, ie. 'Navi'-> filebrowser, 'long navi'-> radio-context. And when in filebrowser; 'Play'->back to radio |
| 09:55:55 | tucoz | hmm. maybe it is context already |
| 09:56:12 | tucoz | but the presets is 'navi' iirc |
| 09:57:04 | JdGordon | tucoz: well, atm Im trying not to break anything.. but I agree that the buttons are wrong |
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| 09:57:24 | JdGordon | navi going to file browser doesnt feel right tho from the radio |
| 09:58:10 | petur | damn new firefox version is buggy, crashed 3 times after 1 hour use :( |
| 09:58:58 | tucoz | maybe you are right |
| 09:59:35 | tucoz | it might not be very useful going to the fb from radio |
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| 10:00:30 | tucoz | except that the radio navigation as it is now, does not behave intuitive |
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| 10:01:48 | tucoz | petur: release or some alpha/beta ff3.0? |
| 10:02:17 | petur | tucoz: no, latest security update (2.0.0.2) |
| 10:02:23 | tucoz | ok |
| 10:02:33 | JdGordon | its not all that bad... once the root menu is in we can make it feel more normlak |
| 10:02:35 | tucoz | mine works fine |
| 10:02:36 | JdGordon | normal* |
| 10:02:47 | JdGordon | anyone want to test the patch before I commit? |
| 10:03:02 | tucoz | i look forward to the root menu :) |
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| 10:12:25 | tucoz | are the red bulds in the table close to being green again? I've seen some size reductions lately |
| 10:13:14 | LinusN | not as close as we would hope |
| 10:14:03 | tucoz | ok. is it doable in the terms of the feature set we deal with today? |
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| 10:14:45 | NJoin | secleinteer [0] (n=scl@70.230.173.209) |
| 10:14:57 | LinusN | not without shrinking the bootloader as well (bootbox) |
| 10:15:03 | LinusN | imho |
| 10:15:14 | B4gder | amen |
| 10:15:19 | tucoz | i see. didn't dragon have a wip for that? |
| 10:15:39 | tucoz | or maybe that was rombox |
| 10:15:46 | LinusN | how much is a gigabeat f20 worth? (bidding on ebay) |
| 10:16:19 | LinusN | it's at $111 now |
| 10:17:01 | amiconn | tucoz: He has, but for some reason he doesn't want to commit what he has |
| 10:17:21 | tucoz | see it as an investment. once it's out of production, it's value will increase :) |
| 10:17:38 | markun | LinusN: I think you can normally get a F40 for $100 even |
| 10:17:46 | LinusN | markun: ok then |
| 10:18:00 | markun | but maybe rockbox made the prices go up :) |
| 10:18:01 | amiconn | His wip bootbox rework, while getting bootbox size down to less than 2/3 of its current size, is still based on the "cut out things from the rockbox firmware module we don't need" concept |
| 10:18:03 | LinusN | then i'll forget about that one |
| 10:18:42 | LinusN | amiconn: and a rather "aggressive" removal iirc |
| 10:18:44 | amiconn | He wants to rewrite bootbox from scratch instead |
| 10:19:05 | amiconn | I doubt that will help more, and it means small bootbox is delayed :/ |
| 10:19:11 | tucoz | the size table was indeed a good addition |
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| 10:19:21 | amiconn | tucoz: Tell that to Slasheri |
| 10:19:24 | tucoz | hehe |
| 10:19:26 | tucoz | i know |
| 10:19:52 | B4gder | we,, |
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| 10:20:02 | B4gder | well, we can both add features and decrease size |
| 10:20:05 | B4gder | can not |
| 10:21:20 | amiconn | It's a similar situation as with the fat driver rework for G5.5/80 support. The simple solution could already have been up & running... |
| 10:21:32 | B4gder | personally, I think we should cut out the stuff from the builds that cause the reds |
| 10:22:23 | amiconn | Cutting out working features doesn't make sense, imho |
| 10:22:27 | * | LinusN feels bad for the poor dead horse that gets beaten so often |
| 10:22:37 | B4gder | they don't work, the builds are RED |
| 10:22:49 | amiconn | It would be really nice to see the cut-down bootbox going in and rombox being available again for a while |
| 10:23:09 | amiconn | B4gder: The features *do* work (as far as tested) |
| 10:23:15 | B4gder | yes, but the builds don't |
| 10:23:23 | B4gder | and I'm talking about disabling the builds |
| 10:23:31 | B4gder | I dislike the constant red |
| 10:23:48 | amiconn | ...but if that doesn't happen and/or rockbox grows even beyound the extra room, I'd rather drop rombox than features |
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| 10:24:25 | amiconn | One feature still isn't tested on archos, and that's .cue support. I simply don't have any such files to test with |
| 10:25:02 | crashd | you can make .cue files fairly easily, if it's just for testing purposes |
| 10:25:25 | amiconn | B4gder: Btw, regarding features and size, Slasheri once said that tagcahce/database has some room for optimisation, but that doesn't seem to happen |
| 10:26:32 | B4gder | amiconn: what is your suggested approach on how to fix the red builds? I mean in the long run |
| 10:26:59 | amiconn | Look 3 minutes ago... |
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| 10:27:37 | B4gder | so wasn't that exactly what I said then? |
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| 10:27:55 | B4gder | cut them out from the build |
| 10:28:01 | JdGordon | damn netsplit :p |
| 10:28:14 | amiconn | JdGordon: There are some reds... |
| 10:28:34 | JdGordon | all fixed already |
| 10:28:43 | JdGordon | just wait for the next round to build |
| 10:29:24 | NJoin | merbanan [0] (n=banan@c80-216-155-218.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 10:29:32 | amiconn | I wonder why the Ondio FM didn't go red like all the other radio targets |
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| 10:29:51 | JdGordon | because thats the one I was test compiling instead of my h300 :p |
| 10:29:52 | B4gder | I think there's just a flaw in the display stuff |
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| 10:32:56 | JdGordon | and we're back! |
| 10:36:07 | linuxstb | amiconn: (regarding .cue testing on Archos), assuming you have a long .mp3 file, I can give you a cuefile you can test with it. |
| 10:37:08 | JdGordon | doesnt even need to be long... you can split it up in 10s tracks if yuo want :p |
| 10:37:23 | linuxstb | http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/test.cue - if you want to change the time indexes, the format is MM:SS:FF (FF is frame - 00-74) |
| 10:39:49 | amiconn | linuxstb: I would need one that matches a multi-track mp3, to test whether skipping jumps to the correct positions |
| 10:40:11 | amiconn | But I just remembered that EAC can create those .cue thingies |
| 10:40:37 | linuxstb | I'm sure we can all predict what happens with seeking in VBR MP3.... |
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| 10:42:01 | JdGordon | its not brilliant.. but close enough |
| 10:42:27 | Aaron | Hey |
| 10:45:00 | petur | Ho |
| 10:45:21 | Aaron | Is getting an Archos Jukebox Recorder and upgrading to a 160 gig hard drive the only way to get that much storage? |
| 10:45:36 | scorche | currently, yes |
| 10:45:45 | GodEater | you could buy two 80GB ipods.... |
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| 10:45:54 | GodEater | and sellotape them together |
| 10:46:12 | Aaron | Do any of you know about the sound output quality of the hardware? |
| 10:46:14 | scorche | unless you werent opposed to having a large, clunky external harddrive somehow attached to a device |
| 10:46:30 | scorche | the archos has quite good SQ |
| 10:46:59 | Kasperle | scorche: like this: http://www.command-tab.com/2005/03/13/ipod-super/ ? |
| 10:47:01 | scorche | s/archos/archos rockbox targets |
| 10:47:07 | Aaron | Its just that I've hit the 60 gig limit of my 5G ipod and I have a feeling that any new larger ipods aren't going to have useable rockbox for a long time |
| 10:47:12 | linuxstb | Aaron: If you want to help me with the port, you could buy an av300... |
| 10:47:33 | Aaron | I don't know what kind of help you would need that i could contribute |
| 10:48:07 | linuxstb | C programming... |
| 10:48:08 | scorche | linuxstb: do you monitor ebay often? |
| 10:48:29 | linuxstb | scorche: Not really, I'm not looking for anything atm. |
| 10:49:13 | Aaron | Those archos Recorders have such a tiny screen |
| 10:49:13 | * | scorche opens a tab for ebay searching to remind him to refresh occasionally |
| 10:49:43 | scorche | Aaron: well, that depends on what you compare it to |
| 10:50:18 | Aaron | Well thanks for the helpful input but I need to go to bed. Its 4 am in Chicago and I have class at 10:10 |
| 10:51:06 | B4gder | the av is not a "recorder" anyway |
| 10:51:22 | * | JdGordon wonders if you can even get the av300 in aus, google shows almost no usefull hits |
| 10:51:40 | B4gder | JdGordon: got that sansa yet? |
| 10:51:42 | scorche | JdGordon: none up on ebay.com atm =/ |
| 10:51:51 | Aaron | Have you guys seen the Trekstore Vibez? |
| 10:52:02 | linuxstb | Try searching for av320/340/380 |
| 10:52:05 | JdGordon | B4gder: not yet, he said he'd email when its sent... |
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| 10:52:08 | Aaron | It has aroudn a 20 hour battery life, 12 gigs i think, and natively plays flacs |
| 10:52:26 | scorche | linuxstb: is the only difference, the size of the hard drive? |
| 10:52:34 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 10:52:40 | Aaron | And its a really nice looking player |
| 10:52:49 | B4gder | Aaron: we don't care much for "native", we play the Rockbox game |
| 10:53:09 | Aaron | Well its still a nice looking player |
| 10:53:12 | Aaron | Have you seen it? |
| 10:53:18 | B4gder | no |
| 10:53:35 | B4gder | 12 gig is very tiny in my view |
| 10:53:46 | JdGordon | 12gb solid state would be nice tho |
| 10:53:47 | Aaron | Its small |
| 10:53:58 | Aaron | but it looks like an exotic sports car |
| 10:54:03 | Aaron | and has a nice battery life |
| 10:54:41 | B4gder | I rather have rockbox with bad battery, than native with good |
| 10:54:52 | * | linuxstb hands B4gder an ipod |
| 10:55:04 | B4gder | :-) |
| 10:55:10 | scorche | a 4g to be precise ;) |
| 10:55:20 | scorche | 4th gen i mean... |
| 10:55:25 | Aaron | http://reviews.cnet.com/TrekStor_Vibez_12GB/4505-6490_7-32203781.html?tag=prod.txt.1 |
| 10:55:32 | B4gder | in my view Rockbox is a lot about having fun, not just about listening to music |
| 10:55:39 | linuxstb | I agree, I couldn't use an ipod without Rockbox, so it's irrelevant how much battery life the OF gets. |
| 10:55:41 | B4gder | what fun is using someone elses firmware then? |
| 10:55:53 | Aaron | My ipod is dying withing 45 minutes of charging |
| 10:55:58 | Aaron | The battery must be dying |
| 10:56:00 | JdGordon | fs#6700 is funny :) |
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| 10:57:14 | LinusN | JdGordon: hehe |
| 10:57:24 | LinusN | we should perhaps add a check |
| 10:57:35 | JdGordon | thats the easiest |
| 10:57:44 | Aaron | Did anyone by change look at the post I made in the Hardware section about the Ipod Shuffle/ |
| 10:58:08 | GodEater | so your 2nd gen Nano is gathering dust then linuxstb ? |
| 10:58:12 | GodEater | or did you part with it ? |
| 10:58:57 | linuxstb | GodEater: I donated it to my g/f, but she doesn't use it, so yes, it's gathering dust... |
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| 10:59:19 | Kasperle | JdGordon: i think it _is_ 12gb solid state |
| 10:59:50 | JdGordon | which is? |
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| 11:00:02 | * | GodEater wonders how many rockboxer's other halves have seen the light |
| 11:00:02 | * | JdGordon missed the link |
| 11:00:05 | Kasperle | trekstor vibez |
| 11:00:19 | B4gder | l |
| 11:00:22 | B4gder | oops |
| 11:00:31 | LinusN | GodEater: my wife doesn't have a choice |
| 11:00:57 | B4gder | now welcome roolku to the happy committers team |
| 11:01:05 | LinusN | roolku: welcome :-) |
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| 11:02:18 | roolku | Thank you. I'll try my best to keep the table green. |
| 11:02:33 | B4gder | both tables please ;-P |
| 11:02:41 | scorche | is it just me, or is the "Recent SVN activity" table on the front page broken? |
| 11:02:48 | Kasperle | hmmm. the trekstor website doesn't say explicitly what kind of storage they use for it |
| 11:03:09 | roolku | Can't promise that but I'll try. :) |
| 11:04:14 | linuxstb | Kasperle: 1" hard drive according to this review - http://reviews.digitaltrends.com/firstlook110.html (and a SigmaTel CPU...) |
| 11:04:57 | scorche | seems fine now |
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| 11:05:51 | Kasperle | linuxstb: ah :/ |
| 11:07:57 | B4gder | scorche: I broke it but I unbroke it again |
| 11:08:34 | BigBambi | JdGordon, there? |
| 11:08:44 | JdGordon | her there and everywhere :p |
| 11:08:50 | BigBambi | lol, good work |
| 11:09:00 | BigBambi | I've just tried the latest root menu patch |
| 11:09:07 | BigBambi | and follow playlist no longer works |
| 11:09:20 | BigBambi | I've added a comment to that effect on flyspray |
| 11:09:27 | JdGordon | ok, thanks |
| 11:09:34 | BigBambi | np :) |
| 11:09:45 | JdGordon | I forgot about that, but was sort of expecting that to break :( |
| 11:10:00 | BigBambi | Major arse to fix? |
| 11:10:38 | JdGordon | not sure |
| 11:10:42 | JdGordon | Ill do that now |
| 11:10:59 | LinusN | JdGordon: + * Copyright (C) 2002 Bj?n Stenberg |
| 11:11:12 | JdGordon | fark :'( forgot to check |
| 11:11:37 | BigBambi | Haha - bet you'll be glad to see the back of this :) |
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| 11:11:44 | JdGordon | yep :) |
| 11:11:45 | LinusN | why is the ö unicoded anyway? |
| 11:11:55 | JdGordon | I dont know |
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| 11:13:16 | decayedcell | hmm the Broadcom chip in 5G iPods appears to be a customised Alphamosaic VC02 (VideoCore II) |
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| 11:14:01 | JdGordon | LinusN: can you fix it please? I fixed it in kate but the diff shows it wrong still |
| 11:14:11 | JdGordon | - * Copyright (C) 2002 Bjļæ½n Stenberg |
| 11:14:11 | JdGordon | + * Copyright (C) 2002 Bjļæ½n Stenberg |
| 11:14:19 | decayedcell | hmm then again Broadcom bought Alphamosaic so that means no documentation prolly |
| 11:14:22 | JdGordon | unless that comes out correctly for you guys? |
| 11:14:44 | Mikachu | i don't understand how you managed to kill the r too :) |
| 11:14:45 | linuxstb | Those two lines contain identical gibberish for me... |
| 11:15:03 | decayedcell | well apart from the question mark between j and nn in Bjorn? |
| 11:15:46 | bluebrother | Mikachu: that's a common issue −− unicode uses two bytes for the ö, and if you try to display a non-unicode ö using unicode it usually eats the following character |
| 11:16:23 | bluebrother | I had stuff like that quite frequently with people using broken encodings for their emails (and my mail client assuming utf8) |
| 11:16:47 | JdGordon | so yeah, can someone commit a fix please? /me's comp is useless |
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| 11:17:11 | bluebrother | but while talking about unicode: why not use utf8 for all source files? The manual already does, and RB itself is unicode also |
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| 11:19:52 | JdGordon | BigBambi: good news :) I found the bug... bad news... Im not sure how to fix it :p |
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| 11:20:58 | Mikachu | what's the point of using strncmp if you get the length from strlen? |
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| 11:23:15 | BigBambi | Good, damn! |
| 11:23:18 | * | [IDC]Dragon didn't say Hi! yet |
| 11:23:37 | B4gder | Mikachu: you can do a prefix check |
| 11:23:54 | BigBambi | JdGordon: Well if you don't I'm less than no help! |
| 11:23:59 | JdGordon | BigBambi: /me underestimates his brilliance :D fixed, just need to test |
| 11:24:11 | Mikachu | B4gder: ah right |
| 11:24:23 | BigBambi | JdGordon: I bow down to the brilliance :p |
| 11:24:46 | pixelma | JdGordon: talking about the root menu... on Ondio I'd still want "mode" (short press) to return to filebrowser/database (the screens where you entered the WPS from or when you have set "follow playlist") and "long press of mode" should bring up the WPS context menu - as it is now... |
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| 11:25:05 | pixelma | ...What I was wondering about is wether it would be logical to go "left" from filebrowser to the root because the browser would look like a "submenu" of the root menu anyways- didn't find an answer so far because both suggestions exist. |
| 11:26:02 | JdGordon | on the ondio? or in general? |
| 11:26:25 | BigBambi | In terms of left to root menu from file browser, I like the current implementation where holding left in the file browser stops you at root, then pressing left again goes to root menu |
| 11:26:34 | JdGordon | hang on... left does go from browser to the root.. but only if you stop in / first |
| 11:26:43 | BigBambi | Yeah, that's what I meant |
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| 11:27:38 | JdGordon | BigBambi: yup, fixed :) |
| 11:27:56 | BigBambi | JdGordon: Good news - that was my final nitpick :) |
| 11:28:08 | BigBambi | (I think) |
| 11:28:36 | JdGordon | pixelma: can you try out the latest patch im about to upload? I think it works ok.. I really dont like 2 long presses to get to root.. but meh |
| 11:29:51 | BigBambi | Ah, I've just noticed the confusion in my previous point - refereing to root meaning root menu and root directory |
| 11:29:54 | pixelma | JdGordon: and I would hate having to go via the root menu when adding new files to the playlist while music is playing |
| 11:30:45 | JdGordon | yeah, ok, thats why I say I'll code it however you want it |
| 11:30:53 | JdGordon | does anyone else actually use the ondio? :D |
| 11:31:03 | BigBambi | amiconn does I suspect |
| 11:31:08 | [IDC]Dragon | I do |
| 11:31:18 | [IDC]Dragon | need to fix the power supply, however |
| 11:31:21 | pixelma | I know of two people who just recently bought one |
| 11:31:45 | BigBambi | What do they go for these days? |
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| 11:32:09 | pixelma | and there was someone else in the forums who just asked about porting rockboy to Ondio just yesterday |
| 11:32:36 | JdGordon | haha |
| 11:32:46 | JdGordon | anyway, new version is online |
| 11:33:05 | BigBambi | cheers, just getting now |
| 11:33:53 | pixelma | ok... I'll try that and see how it feels - I actually hadn't discovered that "left-to-root" thing before |
| 11:34:14 | JdGordon | :) |
| 11:34:45 | JdGordon | anyone in the room got a gigabeat? |
| 11:34:51 | aliask | I do! |
| 11:34:57 | JdGordon | F or X L) |
| 11:34:59 | JdGordon | :) even |
| 11:35:00 | aliask | :) |
| 11:35:07 | JdGordon | and a recorder... |
| 11:35:22 | JdGordon | they are the only targets needing keymaps.. so holding the patch back |
| 11:38:08 | aliask | I'd write one for the gigabeat for you if I wasn't capped. |
| 11:39:22 | JdGordon | I think they forgot to cap me... went over 2 nights ago and can still download at 200k+ |
| 11:40:50 | aliask | Well they definitely got me. I'm looking at 1.5kb/s tops. IRC is lagging. |
| 11:40:59 | JdGordon | ouch |
| 11:41:08 | BigBambi | internet connection capped if you d/l too much? |
| 11:41:22 | aliask | Yep |
| 11:41:26 | BigBambi | nasty |
| 11:41:33 | decayedcell | yeah they call it 'shaping' |
| 11:41:36 | JdGordon | to freeking 64kb/s! |
| 11:41:41 | decayedcell | yeah >< |
| 11:41:42 | aliask | This isn't 64... |
| 11:41:51 | decayedcell | well it used to be 28.8 on optus |
| 11:41:56 | BigBambi | I'm at work at the moment at a uni - UK academic backbone is quite fat :) |
| 11:42:15 | JdGordon | tomorow is the end of the month, so only 1 more day to suffer :) |
| 11:42:40 | BigBambi | I'm limited by the 100 mbit network connection into my office - but very few sites have the bandwidth for that to matter |
| 11:42:43 | aliask | JdGordon: I noticed that Uni has putty installed on all computers, can you use it to use your home internet as a proxy to bypass filters etc? |
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| 11:43:11 | JdGordon | yeah, if you really wanted to you could |
| 11:43:22 | JdGordon | you need to go through sng.its.monash.edu.au first tho |
| 11:43:24 | BigBambi | JdGordon: Follow playlist works nicely now |
| 11:43:28 | BigBambi | Cheers |
| 11:43:34 | JdGordon | :) |
| 11:44:12 | decayedcell | is there a way to save playlists on rockbox or are they automatically saved |
| 11:44:12 | aliask | Oh even port 22 goes through the local proxy? |
| 11:44:35 | B4gder | aliask: putty can CONNECT through http proxies |
| 11:45:27 | aliask | Excellent :) |
| 11:45:36 | pixelma | JdGordon: hmm... I updated my tree right before patching the latest and got a warning: root_menu.c:65: warning: 'filter' may be used uninitialized in this function (in function 'browser') |
| 11:46:06 | JdGordon | ok, thanks.. I thought I fixed that one :p |
| 11:49:16 | JdGordon | hmm... there are alot more \t's in the source than I thought I accidently added |
| 11:49:53 | JdGordon | actually.. no.. most are in the codecs and plugins that arnt oriiognally for rb |
| 11:51:17 | BigBambi | decayedcell: On H1x0 hold navi for context menu, then select playlist, then save playlist |
| 11:51:42 | BigBambi | I don't know what player you have to get context menu |
| 11:52:19 | decayedcell | iPod, Menu button |
| 11:52:28 | BigBambi | There you go then :) |
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| 11:53:24 | GodEater | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9049.0 <−− making me laugh |
| 11:54:36 | BigBambi | I accidentally downloaded the software then ran it? |
| 11:54:37 | * | decayedcell lol |
| 11:54:54 | safetydan | So... now that we have software tone controls, has any forum denizen been crazy enough to request they be enabled on targets with hardware bass? |
| 11:55:04 | BigBambi | I've been accidentally chatting in IRC all morning |
| 11:55:46 | B4gder | safetydan: I bet they will soon :-) |
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| 11:56:38 | safetydan | B4gder, If anyone's going to ask it's this guy http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8814.msg68271#msg68271 |
| 11:56:46 | GodEater | If someone can explain to me what needs to change in terms of the gigabeat keymaps, I don't mind doing it - but I'm really not getting what needs to change... |
| 11:56:57 | safetydan | How the heck are headphones supposed to produce "head vibrating" bass? |
| 11:57:11 | JdGordon | GodEater: have a look at the apps/keymaps/keymap-gb.c file |
| 11:57:18 | JdGordon | or whatever its called for the gb |
| 11:57:19 | GodEater | already did |
| 11:57:42 | JdGordon | you need to add a context for the main menu with ACTION_MENU_WPS and ACTION_MENU_STOP |
| 11:58:20 | JdGordon | have a look at the keymap-ipod.c part of the patch to get an idea what needs to be added |
| 11:58:36 | GodEater | right - will do so now |
| 11:59:14 | JdGordon | how do you get grep to show the lines which dont match? |
| 11:59:21 | linuxstb | grep -v |
| 11:59:59 | JdGordon | cheers |
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| 12:00:53 | safetydan | Hrm, I need a function in rockbox that will return a path to a file or directory selected by the user. Does such a beast exist? |
| 12:02:08 | JdGordon | as in get the user to chose a path? |
| 12:02:37 | safetydan | JdGordon, yes |
| 12:03:22 | JdGordon | then no.. not yet |
| 12:03:31 | safetydan | darn |
| 12:03:58 | JdGordon | Ive been wanting to do something like that for ages, but because of how the tree is done its not so easy |
| 12:04:07 | safetydan | I was thinking of changing the copy/paste stuff to just be "Copy to..." or "Move to..." options instead. |
| 12:04:19 | safetydan | But that won't work if there's no way to browse for arbitrary locations |
| 12:05:55 | GodEater | :-| Still fairly certain I'm not getting this. There appear to be 17 contexts in the gigabeat, and only 12 in the ipod. Assuming a context is defined as a "static const struct button_mapping *_context*" ? |
| 12:07:34 | GodEater | can also find no mention of ACTION_MENU_WPS or ACTION_MENU_STOP in the ipod's file |
| 12:07:41 | JdGordon | each file is different... its the general format of the file which is important |
| 12:08:30 | GodEater | when was the ipod's keymap file updated ? |
| 12:09:23 | JdGordon | it should have been updated in the root menu patch |
| 12:10:02 | GodEater | yeah - but I last applied that a couple of days ago |
| 12:10:11 | GodEater | I need to go grab the latest version I suspect |
| 12:10:35 | JdGordon | :) ok |
| 12:11:04 | * | JdGordon wonders why the gb keymap file is (c) me :p |
| 12:11:55 | JdGordon | GodEater: dw, Ill do it now... which key is used to get from root to the wps? |
| 12:12:01 | markun | JdGordon: I guess I just copied it from another file |
| 12:12:07 | JdGordon | same as the trees? power ? |
| 12:12:49 | markun | yes, POWER switches from WPS to tree and back |
| 12:13:23 | GodEater | how do I get my local svn repository to overwrite the changes by the last time I applied the patch (without doing an rm -rf and then checking out all over again) ? |
| 12:13:33 | * | GodEater will write the command down this time |
| 12:13:37 | JdGordon | svn revert -R . && svn up |
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| 12:13:55 | markun | GodEater: "svn help" is your friend |
| 12:14:09 | JdGordon | markun: and A should stop playback in the menus? |
| 12:14:31 | markun | JdGordon: it does, but I think the behaviour of POWER and A should be swapped in most places.. |
| 12:15:20 | markun | I shouldn't have done it like this in the first place.. |
| 12:15:23 | JdGordon | ok, well Ill do it this way for now.. they can be changed later if needed |
| 12:16:13 | JdGordon | so we just need the recorder keys then |
| 12:16:20 | GodEater | hmm |
| 12:16:22 | GodEater | don't think that worked |
| 12:16:26 | GodEater | patch failed to apply |
| 12:16:41 | JdGordon | which file? |
| 12:16:51 | GodEater | most of them :( |
| 12:17:24 | JdGordon | :( |
| 12:17:33 | GodEater | no that's a lie - it was only a few |
| 12:17:37 | GodEater | icons.h |
| 12:17:42 | GodEater | icons.c |
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| 12:17:55 | GodEater | exported_menus.h |
| 12:18:03 | GodEater | main_menu.c |
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| 12:18:14 | GodEater | and some others applied with fuzz |
| 12:19:24 | JdGordon | you gotta get diff to ignore whitespace changes... |
| 12:19:28 | JdGordon | It hink |
| 12:20:29 | JdGordon | ill put up a new patch in a sec |
| 12:21:34 | pixelma | I didn't have a problem with patching (latest svn and latest patch) - only one "hunk succeeded at 7with fuzz 2" in onplay.c |
| 12:22:00 | JdGordon | I just did a commit which possibly is the conflict.. |
| 12:22:08 | JdGordon | new patch online shouldnt have a problem... |
| 12:22:14 | JdGordon | unless i forgot to add root_menu.ch |
| 12:22:35 | pixelma | ah alright, didn't see it |
| 12:23:23 | JdGordon | bah, I did forget them :'( |
| 12:24:43 | JdGordon | ok, new one is online again |
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| 12:26:09 | JdGordon | pixelma: which target is giving that tree.c warning? |
| 12:27:07 | pixelma | the root-menu.c warning was for my OndioFM |
| 12:27:32 | pixelma | (backlight modded) |
| 12:28:32 | JdGordon | hmm... for some reason i get hundreds of warning with the ondioFM build.. but none with an SP build |
| 12:28:53 | pixelma | I just test-compiled an Ondio... yes that's what I wanted to say too |
| 12:29:06 | pixelma | hundreds? |
| 12:29:44 | JdGordon | yeah, all signedness warnings |
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| 12:31:11 | pixelma | I only got that one I mentioned (but that's already outdated because of the commit and new version) - would have to check |
| 12:31:33 | daurnimator | JdGordon~ |
| 12:31:35 | daurnimator | hi |
| 12:31:39 | JdGordon | hey |
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| 12:39:05 | daurnimator | sup |
| 12:39:33 | JdGordon | optus finaly decided to cap me and i need to get codecs :'( |
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| 12:43:46 | pixelma | JdGordon: got a completely different question... do you happen to know if repeat A-B is enabled on X5 and which button (combo) it is mapped too? (because you dealt with it last time afaik) |
| 12:44:16 | JdGordon | I dont... but I can check for you |
| 12:44:54 | JdGordon | its not defined in the gigibeat config.. so i guess not |
| 12:45:33 | pixelma | what does the gigabeat have to do with the X5? |
| 12:45:44 | JdGordon | haha |
| 12:45:52 | JdGordon | for some reason i thought you asked for gb |
| 12:46:25 | JdGordon | its also not defined in the x5 config |
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| 12:47:25 | pixelma | thanks for the info. I guessed it is not - just wanted to be sure before answering someone in the forums |
| 12:47:45 | JdGordon | It should be simple to enable it tho.. |
| 12:47:52 | * | JdGordon hungry, back in 30min |
| 12:48:51 | pixelma | I don't know if it's that easy - as far as I know the X5 only allows button combos with the power button... |
| 12:51:03 | pixelma | JdGordon: the root-menu.c warning remains |
| 12:54:24 | pixelma | doh... seems like I didn't have the very latest patch - the warning is gone now |
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| 13:30:13 | JdGordon | pixelma: so whatcha reckon? work ok on the ondio? |
| 13:30:27 | pixelma | hmm... when I stop playback (in the WPS) should I get back to the filebrowser if I have it set as startup screen? |
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| 13:32:36 | JdGordon | no, reardless of what is set, you should return to the root menu |
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| 13:33:26 | pixelma | another thing which I find unintuitive (but AFAIR it was discussed here) when I choose "files" from the root menu it leads me to the last directory I was in - I would expect to see the root directory then |
| 13:34:06 | JdGordon | you think it should always take you to the / ? |
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| 13:35:40 | pixelma | that was my first thought yes |
| 13:37:04 | BigBambi | I think so too |
| 13:37:33 | GodEater | :-| |
| 13:37:38 | JdGordon | thats not how it works in svn... |
| 13:37:38 | linuxstb | I agree that feels unintuitive, but intuitive isn't always best... |
| 13:37:49 | BigBambi | true |
| 13:37:55 | GodEater | I'm still really confused - someone seems to have already done the context in the gigabeat keymap |
| 13:38:08 | BigBambi | I'd prefer to go back to where I was, but I'm thinking more what would people expect |
| 13:38:28 | JdGordon | GodEater: yeah, I did it.. got impatient :p |
| 13:38:42 | GodEater | sorry - I had to dash out and look at a property :( |
| 13:38:50 | GodEater | flat buying in London is murderous |
| 13:38:53 | BigBambi | but then I suppose that is hrd to guess - I often don't understand why people want to do things in what to me is a stupid way |
| 13:39:07 | BigBambi | GodEater: Yeah, not fun - which part |
| 13:39:15 | GodEater | Wapping |
| 13:39:30 | linuxstb | You know the East London line is disappearing for 2 years? |
| 13:39:41 | BigBambi | really? |
| 13:39:41 | GodEater | I'm not sure I'd notice I never used it anyway |
| 13:39:44 | JdGordon | unless we start adding more settings I think its best how it is.. |
| 13:40:00 | GodEater | mind you, it's the only way out of Wapping when the London Marathon is on |
| 13:40:07 | linuxstb | It's a lovely line, but discussion of it is perhaps offtopic here :) |
| 13:40:14 | GodEater | yeah sorry |
| 13:40:24 | linuxstb | I started it... |
| 13:40:41 | pixelma | JdGordon: what do you mean? In SVN I return to the directory I was in when playback stopped - that has to do with my first question... |
| 13:40:49 | JETC- | anyone here knows how to compile rockbox? |
| 13:40:53 | JETC- | i have a problem |
| 13:41:01 | GodEater | would someone care to tell me what feature the context changes on the gigabeat? |
| 13:41:11 | JdGordon | most of us here do JETC- :p |
| 13:41:14 | linuxstb | JETC-: This is where the developers hang out... |
| 13:41:25 | JETC- | i ran rocboxdev.sh so i could get the m68k-elf-gcc |
| 13:41:25 | GodEater | or hide out perhaps |
| 13:41:27 | BigBambi | developers! What do they know? |
| 13:41:49 | JETC- | and when i try to still compile it, it gives me errors that one isn't in the path even tho i added it |
| 13:41:54 | JdGordon | pixelma: exaclty.. in svn when you go to the browser you resume where you were, witht he patch clicking files or database should do the same |
| 13:42:06 | * | GodEater wonders if any East London line afficionados would care to meet up for a beer some time |
| 13:42:08 | linuxstb | JETC-: If you type "echo $PATH", do you see it? |
| 13:42:57 | JETC- | jetc@jetc-desktop:~/rockbox/build-2-26$ echo $PATH |
| 13:42:57 | JETC- | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/usr/local/m68k-elf/bin:/usr/local/m68k-elf/bin |
| 13:43:36 | linuxstb | And if you type "m68k-elf-gcc −−version" ? |
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| 13:44:07 | pixelma | JdGordon: but then I don't like always being returned to the root menu when playback has stopped - to choose another song to play I have to navigate to files/database first. |
| 13:44:07 | JETC- | m68k-elf-gcc (GCC) 3.4.6 |
| 13:44:07 | JETC- | Copyright (C) 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc. |
| 13:44:07 | JETC- | This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO |
| 13:44:07 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK JETC- |
| 13:44:07 | JETC- | warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. |
| 13:44:44 | linuxstb | Then I can't see why it wouldn't work... Which device are you compiling for/ |
| 13:44:56 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 13:44:56 | * | GodEater waits to hear "iPod" or similar |
| 13:45:14 | JETC- | iaudio |
| 13:45:24 | JETC- | well |
| 13:45:28 | GodEater | :-| |
| 13:45:47 | JETC- | when i do the tools/configure, it gives me that error where m68k-elf-gcc isn't in the path |
| 13:45:57 | JETC- | but it made a makefile anyway |
| 13:45:58 | linuxstb | You're running that in the same terminal? |
| 13:46:03 | JETC- | yes |
| 13:46:08 | JETC- | so i did a make |
| 13:46:17 | JETC- | and i think it compiled it still |
| 13:46:24 | JETC- | i just don't know if it's gonna work or not ;x |
| 13:46:53 | B4gder | JETC-: what's your host system? |
| 13:47:13 | JETC- | ubuntu edgy |
| 13:47:30 | B4gder | what shell (bin/sh) is that using? |
| 13:47:41 | linuxstb | echo $SHELL ? |
| 13:48:04 | pixelma | JdGordon: if I'd be returned to the filebrowser in this case, I'd expect it to show the directory I was last in - but when entered from the root menu I'd expect to be in the root directory - just MHO |
| 13:48:08 | GodEater | dash ? |
| 13:48:08 | JETC- | jetc@jetc-desktop:~/rockbox/build-2-26$ echo $SHELL |
| 13:48:08 | JETC- | /bin/bash |
| 13:48:17 | * | linuxstb goes out hunting for food |
| 13:48:32 | JdGordon | pixelma: hmm I guess that makes sense.. |
| 13:48:35 | * | preglow envisions linuxstb in the middle of the amazons |
| 13:48:53 | pixelma | JdGordon: not the filebrowser for people who use database of course... |
| 13:48:53 | BigBambi | I pictured him roaming London with a spear |
| 13:48:58 | preglow | hahaha |
| 13:49:03 | preglow | better |
| 13:49:26 | B4gder | JETC-: the configure script just persues the PATH and checks for the gcc binary, and it works for bash users all over so I'm quite puzzled |
| 13:49:30 | JdGordon | pixelma: well.. I can make it resume only if coming from the wps? |
| 13:49:42 | GodEater | it's not very sporting to hunt down Subways. They don't run very fast. |
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| 13:49:59 | JETC- | well, it still compiled it i think |
| 13:50:10 | JETC- | i just don't know why when i do the configure, it still gives me that error |
| 13:50:25 | B4gder | JETC-: if you saw CC mentioned, it compiled and it found gcc |
| 13:50:38 | JdGordon | pixelma: or I can link it to the follow playlist option? so if thats disabled it will always start in / |
| 13:50:48 | JETC- | B4gder: yep it did |
| 13:50:58 | tick | JdGordon: after playback stops, I'd expect to be in the screen the playback was started from, not always the root menu |
| 13:50:59 | JETC- | it did a make zip and everything seems to be good |
| 13:51:27 | JETC- | well, thx anyway |
| 13:51:36 | JETC- | i thought it was odd that it kept doing that error |
| 13:51:38 | JETC- | oh well |
| 13:51:41 | JETC- | it still compiled |
| 13:51:44 | JdGordon | tick: I disagre.. the aim of the root screen is to make a definative "home" screen for rockbox |
| 13:51:59 | JdGordon | atm ppl think wps is that, and others think the browser is |
| 13:52:01 | tick | JdGordon: and I agree with pixelma. That corresponds to the principle of the least astonishment IMHO |
| 13:52:42 | preglow | GodEater: their employees can... |
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| 13:53:33 | GodEater | preglow: really? I'm surprised they have the brain capacity to manage to move both legs that quickly and in sync.... |
| 13:53:33 | tick | JdGordon: yes, it's still home. If go left long enogh I'll be there eventually. But if I start playback from e.g. the file browser and the playlist is through then I'd expect to be in the folder I was. |
| 13:53:40 | * | JdGordon likes it the way it is... But if in the minority ill change it |
| 13:54:04 | GodEater | I'm with JdGordon on this. |
| 13:54:12 | B4gder | I think I'm with tick |
| 13:54:24 | B4gder | although I haven't actually tested this |
| 13:54:47 | preglow | GodEater: well, they do fall over eventually, but that only adds to the illusion of a good hunt |
| 13:54:48 | * | B4gder sits poking around in weirdo-uclinux-land |
| 13:55:27 | GodEater | preglow: But they do that if you've stuck with the spear or not.... |
| 13:55:55 | tick | This is just a mental experiment of mine. But we are human beings, we can imagine! |
| 13:56:19 | B4gder | we're human?! |
| 13:56:20 | GodEater | besides, linuxstb said he was going out to get food, not to kill random fast food workers. Unless he's originally from New Guinea or something ? |
| 13:56:43 | B4gder | my wife use to say I'm more like a machine |
| 13:56:47 | BigBambi | He's going to get back and wonder what the hell is going on |
| 13:57:15 | pixelma | JdGordon: as already been said - I dislike the additional navigation especially when I stop playback on my own before the end of the playlist, then end up in the root menu - to just resume I have to navigate to "now playing" - in the filebrowser/database I only have to press one button to resume... |
| 13:57:32 | B4gder | GodEater: I bet he is, with one of them bones through his nose and a long spear to get food with |
| 13:57:34 | BigBambi | Anyway, dragging it back on topic - as far as root menu goes, whilst I would like stop to take me to where I started music from, if we are going for a new person ui, I think to main menu might be better |
| 13:57:35 | JdGordon | OK... so 2 different arguments here... 1) go back to browser if audio stops in wps (easy to do and I dont mind diong this), 2) browser always starts in / if coming from the root menu ? |
| 13:57:59 | GodEater | B4gder: and a string of shrunken heads round his neck perhaps ? |
| 13:58:02 | BigBambi | * main menu / root menu |
| 13:58:05 | JdGordon | pixelma: we can add a shortcut to now playing in the root menu |
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| 13:58:17 | B4gder | oh yes, you must have the same photo of him as I do! |
| 13:58:21 | GodEater | hahaha |
| 13:58:26 | BigBambi | I have it framed and mounts |
| 13:58:28 | BigBambi | mounted |
| 13:58:39 | BigBambi | and that ISN't WEIRD |
| 13:59:27 | GodEater | who said it was weird ? |
| 13:59:32 | preglow | mounted on a horse? |
| 13:59:36 | BigBambi | I know what you are all thinking |
| 13:59:37 | GodEater | a lot of people frame and mount photos |
| 13:59:39 | preglow | that would be weird |
| 13:59:44 | * | preglow gets food too |
| 13:59:49 | BigBambi | of linuxstb in a south seas costume |
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| 14:00:05 | BigBambi | I don't think lots of people do that (or do they?) |
| 14:00:16 | tick | JdGordon: go back to where the playback was started from. This can be file browser or the root menu (if it was the resume playback entry) |
| 14:00:29 | JdGordon | or datase.. yes |
| 14:00:53 | pixelma | I would like to see that too |
| 14:01:01 | BigBambi | Sounds good |
| 14:01:43 | JdGordon | pressing STOP tho would goto root.. not previous |
| 14:01:52 | JdGordon | it would only goto previous if stopped automatically |
| 14:02:18 | tick | JdGordon: hmm... not sure about this. |
| 14:02:22 | amiconn | Why that? |
| 14:02:44 | B4gder | it would make sense to go back on stop too I'd say |
| 14:02:53 | JdGordon | well.. otherwise we are making the root menu just another menu, which is what we didnt want? |
| 14:03:04 | B4gder | imagine in the file browser startig a song, then pressing stop after a short while |
| 14:03:17 | B4gder | I'd expect to be in the file browser still then |
| 14:03:40 | tick | JdGordon: no, we make it the ultimate end of all routes |
| 14:03:55 | * | JdGordon hates democracy :p |
| 14:04:16 | pixelma | I also don't understand why it should behave differently depending on the reason why it has stopped |
| 14:04:25 | JdGordon | neihter :p |
| 14:04:43 | JdGordon | pixelma: it apears the ondio leys havnt been done... what should the shortcut to wps be? and off int he menus? |
| 14:05:00 | JdGordon | MENU and OFF like the browser currently? |
| 14:07:43 | pixelma | "off" in the submenus cancels the menu as it does currently (and I prefer that over going left) - in the root it could act as stop like in the filebrowser - "mode" could work as resume everywhere unless I'm missing something |
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| 14:10:05 | pixelma | maybe that's a chance to justify the "left cancels setting" though |
| 14:10:14 | pixelma | (for you) ;) |
| 14:10:54 | JdGordon | hmm... No I disagree with exiting wps > previous.. if we do this there are 2 buttons to go from wps to the browser.. |
| 14:11:04 | CaduMimi | hello guys! i have a question: i live in Japan and i can't find a good portable audio player, anyone knows something here that i could buy that would play ogg/flac/mp3 or a good player i could rockbox (i mean, stable rockbox running in it) ? thanks in advance |
| 14:11:05 | JdGordon | pixelma: na thats being removed.. once someone cna be bothered :p |
| 14:11:49 | JdGordon | any of the players listed at http://www.rockbox.org/ |
| 14:11:51 | markun | CaduMimi: the Toshiba Gigabeat series F and X were sold in Japan and work very well with rockbox |
| 14:12:38 | CaduMimi | i've seen those.... so it's worth buying one of these just for rockboxing? |
| 14:13:19 | markun | CaduMimi: the most important features missing are recording and FM radio, if you don't need that it's a great player |
| 14:13:23 | markun | but only with rockbox :) |
| 14:13:54 | pixelma | JdGordon: abot the two buttons: not on Ondio ;) - and why should the shortcut to the root (players that have it) be removed if the difference is about what happens if playback is stopped? (IIUC what you mean) |
| 14:14:07 | w1ll14m_ | mirning all |
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| 14:14:41 | * | amiconn notices [IDC]Dragon around and hopes for a bootbox commit |
| 14:14:54 | [IDC]Dragon | hah, not so soon |
| 14:15:11 | CaduMimi | markun, do you own one or know someone who owns/tested it extensively ? |
| 14:15:19 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Why not? |
| 14:15:20 | JdGordon | pixelma: I think we need to tread the ondio as a special case |
| 14:15:23 | * | [IDC]Dragon recommends a 512kB flash chip ;-) |
| 14:15:29 | markun | CaduMimi: I started the rockbox port :) |
| 14:15:29 | CaduMimi | markun, i don't use FM or recording of any kind |
| 14:15:37 | CaduMimi | markun, yay! |
| 14:15:43 | [IDC]Dragon | I was "lazy", that's why |
| 14:15:53 | markun | Are they cheap in Japan? |
| 14:15:54 | [IDC]Dragon | but I did some research |
| 14:16:02 | markun | btw, the S series doesn't work.. |
| 14:16:11 | amiconn | Didn't you already cut it down to less than 2/3 of svn? |
| 14:16:14 | DataGhost | lol some people are really stupid |
| 14:16:16 | CaduMimi | markun, haven't checked those, i'm so desperate i jumped straight to the iPOD section T___T |
| 14:16:17 | markun | CaduMimi: if you can get a X60 |
| 14:16:25 | CaduMimi | almost bought an ipod nano ahhaahahhaah |
| 14:16:31 | [IDC]Dragon | it has like a good half last time |
| 14:16:31 | markun | 2nd gen? |
| 14:16:45 | DataGhost | last time those construction guys were here they drilled through an electrical wire in the wall |
| 14:16:52 | CaduMimi | thought about converting my ogg/flacs to mp3 and using some of those 'ipod database creators' ...ah shitty :( |
| 14:16:53 | amiconn | I doubt that rewriting it from scratch will yield a further significant drop in size |
| 14:16:56 | [IDC]Dragon | but I broke USB mode, like I told |
| 14:16:56 | JdGordon | [IDC]Dragon: good enough, commit it so we have a green table :) |
| 14:17:00 | DataGhost | now they just drilled through the water stuff |
| 14:17:08 | amiconn | oh |
| 14:17:29 | * | [IDC]Dragon wonders why the table color depends on rombox fit |
| 14:17:38 | [IDC]Dragon | make that optional |
| 14:17:43 | pearldiver | playing FLACs with crossfade results in half a second artifacts (usually beginning of the song), 0225 build and newer, gigabeat target. works OK with 0222 build for example. gigabeat target |
| 14:18:17 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: I think rewriting can bring it down big time |
| 14:19:28 | CaduMimi | markun, X60 ? |
| 14:19:36 | [IDC]Dragon | e.g. we don't need posix style file functions, just a routine which copies a cluster chain into memory |
| 14:19:48 | CaduMimi | markun, i'll search for it on the stores.... full model name = Toshiba Gigabeat X60 ? |
| 14:20:13 | CaduMimi | markun, only one more question (2), battery life and stability ? |
| 14:20:35 | markun | CaduMimi: the most people got was 22 hour playing |
| 14:20:58 | markun | and I think it's very stable, maybe people use it every day with rockbox |
| 14:21:09 | GodEater | CaduMimi: stability is great - it's never crashed on me |
| 14:21:29 | CaduMimi | GodEater: also a X60 owner? nice! |
| 14:21:41 | markun | CaduMimi: but I think people with a X30 are getting less runtime than with a F40, maybe the battery is different |
| 14:21:45 | CaduMimi | whoa 22 hour....that's quite long! |
| 14:21:48 | GodEater | F40 here actually |
| 14:21:52 | GodEater | couldn't get an X series |
| 14:21:54 | pondlife | JdGordon: Just tried the root menu patch |
| 14:21:59 | GodEater | but their very similar hardware wise |
| 14:22:04 | GodEater | s/their/they're |
| 14:22:08 | CaduMimi | so the |
| 14:22:08 | markun | CaduMimi: The F and X are more or less the same, but the X is smaller, lighter and has a bigger screen |
| 14:22:08 | [IDC]Dragon | I've been collecting links to some projects where people do file reading from SD cards with tiny 8 bit PIC and Atmel controllers, which allow for a few kB of code |
| 14:22:13 | pondlife | Shouldn't follow playlist take you back to the exact file that's being played? |
| 14:22:27 | pondlife | It only seems to go to the folder, with track 01 selected. |
| 14:22:47 | JdGordon | pondlife: yes, but might not be possible yet |
| 14:22:48 | GodEater | pondlife: that's how it's always worked IIRC |
| 14:22:53 | * | [IDC]Dragon and amiconn are interfering into another conversation... |
| 14:23:01 | pixelma | markun: don't call it X60 only - that will confuse JdGordon :P |
| 14:23:18 | pondlife | GodEater: Yes, but the root menu patch roots it! |
| 14:23:20 | markun | pixelma: MEGX60 better? :) |
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| 14:23:30 | daurn|zaurus | hi all |
| 14:23:41 | pondlife | JdGordon: I'll put a note on Flyspray |
| 14:23:44 | JdGordon | pondlife: yeah it does... but at least the folder is close enough |
| 14:23:52 | pondlife | No it's not |
| 14:24:03 | markun | daurn|zaurus: hey, you bought a zaurus? |
| 14:24:06 | pondlife | I guess you don't use that feature? |
| 14:24:14 | tick | pondlife: when we fix this we could also make font browser to initially point to the current font. Same for the other browsers. |
| 14:24:14 | daurn|zaurus | a little while ago |
| 14:24:15 | GodEater | I use it, folder is close enough for me |
| 14:24:20 | markun | daurn|zaurus: I want one! :) |
| 14:24:30 | pearldiver | markun do you have any FLACs? |
| 14:24:40 | daurn|zaurus | abiword broke itself :( |
| 14:24:44 | markun | pearldiver: only 1 I think :) |
| 14:24:49 | daurn|zaurus | seg faults |
| 14:24:58 | pearldiver | markun duh :P |
| 14:24:58 | CaduMimi | so the best model would be the X60 ? noted down. |
| 14:25:01 | pondlife | JdGordon: As long as you don't break the current functionality. |
| 14:25:13 | daurn|zaurus | can't word process :( |
| 14:25:27 | markun | pearldiver: I even have it with me in the test folder |
| 14:25:46 | pearldiver | markun well you need 2 to crossfade |
| 14:25:57 | pearldiver | the artifacting is there |
| 14:25:58 | JdGordon | tick: not as easlily |
| 14:26:07 | tick | IIRC, the "follow playlist" feature is implemented in an ugly way using a static var which has many chances to be overwritten |
| 14:26:36 | markun | pearldiver: I can add the file a few times maybe |
| 14:26:45 | JdGordon | the whole tree browser is done in an ugly way... |
| 14:26:46 | tick | JdGordon: yes, I see. I only said that when we'll be able to do that we'll also be able to do the same with browsers |
| 14:27:05 | daurn|zaurus | markun: they're expensive... |
| 14:27:19 | daurn|zaurus | at least the good/new oness are |
| 14:27:38 | daurn|zaurus | PS, they stopprd making them a couple of months ago |
| 14:27:50 | CaduMimi | markun, GodEater how much a gigabeat Fxx or Xxx cost in your place? |
| 14:28:00 | tick | JdGordon: exact cursor positioning would be the de luxe solution but just the folder is good enough IMO |
| 14:28:17 | tick | Remember: we have the root menu which is a great gift! :-) |
| 14:28:18 | JdGordon | I agree |
| 14:28:19 | pondlife | I disagree strongly. |
| 14:28:22 | markun | CaduMimi: they are not forsale in my place, but I heard you can get a F40 for about $100 on ebay |
| 14:28:41 | pondlife | If it breaks something which currently works, it's not ready |
| 14:28:46 | markun | CaduMimi: the X series are really hard to get, only japan and australia |
| 14:29:13 | JdGordon | why are we special? or what did they take out of the F ? |
| 14:29:33 | markun | CaduMimi: they are not produced anymore btw, so it's not so easy to get them new.. |
| 14:29:48 | GodEater | CaduMimi: I got my F40 for 96 USD |
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| 14:30:22 | tick | JdGordon: why is that so hard? Because of the new menu code? Or b/c the ugly browser code? |
| 14:30:40 | JdGordon | the 2nd |
| 14:30:55 | JdGordon | pondlife: ok, I think ive got the bandaid that will fix it :p |
| 14:30:58 | CaduMimi | well here in japan i'm SURE i've seen these toshiba player for sale (the face contains just the screen and buttons put in "+"-style right ?) |
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| 14:31:01 | pondlife | OK |
| 14:31:02 | tick | JdGordon: aha, I supposed that |
| 14:31:11 | CaduMimi | GodEater: whoa, capacity? |
| 14:31:12 | GodEater | CaduMimi: sounds like the Gigabeat yes |
| 14:31:20 | GodEater | CaduMimi: 40 Gigabytes |
| 14:31:38 | JdGordon | no, damn, I dont :p |
| 14:31:44 | CaduMimi | so the newest model is the F<something> right ? |
| 14:31:52 | GodEater | no - the X is newer |
| 14:31:53 | CaduMimi | this weekend i'm looking for one .... ehheheh |
| 14:31:57 | GodEater | but much harder to find |
| 14:32:03 | CaduMimi | much harder to find? |
| 14:32:06 | GodEater | if you're in Japan though you might find it easier |
| 14:32:31 | tick | GodEater: I don't understand. If that model is wanted so much why don't they sell it? |
| 14:32:33 | CaduMimi | they're newer....but harder to find? stopped being produced/discontinued or they're just selling well ? |
| 14:32:33 | JdGordon | pondlife: hmm.. if the playlist jumps to a new folder, does it (in svn) highlight the first track or the actual track being played (if its not doing dirplay) |
| 14:32:45 | pondlife | Not sure, I'll check |
| 14:32:47 | pixelma | the latter |
| 14:32:50 | GodEater | CaduMimi: they never released them outside of Australia / Japan |
| 14:32:55 | pondlife | I would expect the actual track |
| 14:32:59 | GodEater | and since I live in Europe, that means they're harder to find for me |
| 14:33:01 | JdGordon | hmm... damn |
| 14:33:02 | pondlife | That's what I want anyway |
| 14:33:03 | CaduMimi | GodEater: so it's my chance! |
| 14:33:09 | GodEater | yep |
| 14:33:10 | CaduMimi | i live here yay! :P |
| 14:33:17 | GodEater | if you can find two - I'd buy one from you ;) |
| 14:33:21 | * | JdGordon wonders how it does that without spinnig the disk? |
| 14:33:31 | pondlife | Dircache? |
| 14:33:34 | * | CaduMimi sets up a service (and paypal) for delivering players for his pals at #rockbox :P |
| 14:33:35 | GodEater | assuming they don't end up costing a fortune |
| 14:33:36 | CaduMimi | ahahhahahha |
| 14:33:51 | CaduMimi | so this X60 is fully supported , hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 14:34:00 | CaduMimi | and i don't use Fm radio nor recording at all.... |
| 14:34:34 | JdGordon | pondlife: hmm... OK i must be asleep... ill fix it, but it will cost a disk spin |
| 14:34:35 | CaduMimi | well, maybe i'll buy this thing this saturday! yay! |
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| 14:34:44 | Shaid | I can get you an x60 for about $500aud. |
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| 14:34:51 | Shaid | which might be a fortune. |
| 14:34:58 | Shaid | might be less if I look harder. |
| 14:35:02 | Shaid | that was a 5 second google effort. :P |
| 14:35:04 | CaduMimi | have to search them here .... |
| 14:35:17 | CaduMimi | btw i'm kinda LOW on resources :P ahahahahahah |
| 14:35:31 | pixelma | JdGordon: wouldn't the disk spin anyway when returning to filebrowser? |
| 14:35:32 | CaduMimi | 500aud are how much in usd ? |
| 14:35:32 | GodEater | $500 AUD is a fortune in my book |
| 14:35:33 | pondlife | JdGordon: Tomorrow will do. |
| 14:35:41 | pondlife | Or anytime before you commit |
| 14:35:54 | Shaid | it's about 300usd. |
| 14:35:55 | pondlife | And why an extra spin? |
| 14:36:06 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Well, if you want to wrestle with the SH1 SPI again... |
| 14:36:22 | JdGordon | pixelma: yeah, I forgot about that :p |
| 14:36:26 | Shaid | 400, even |
| 14:36:29 | amiconn | Bootbox should be small, but it also needs to be reliable |
| 14:36:34 | GodEater | according to the currency conv I used it's nearer $400 USD |
| 14:36:36 | Shaid | man, the aus dollar is worth more than I though. |
| 14:36:44 | CaduMimi | expensive |
| 14:36:57 | CaduMimi | no small capacity, fully supported toshiba model ? |
| 14:37:24 | GodEater | CaduMimi: get an F series then - they're cheaper |
| 14:37:30 | GodEater | MUCH cheaper :) |
| 14:37:50 | CaduMimi | (i was planning on something small......and cheap, at most 200usd or +-20,000 yen, fully rockboxable and pocketable) :P |
| 14:38:10 | GodEater | the size difference between the X and the F series isn't that great |
| 14:38:16 | GodEater | and they come in the same capacities |
| 14:38:35 | CaduMimi | if it's rocketboxable but needs a backpack to use it....i could continue using my Gp2X .... a bulky (actually a handheld console) that plays OGG/mp3/flac etc... |
| 14:38:52 | Shaid | good ol gamepark |
| 14:39:06 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: "wrestle with the SPI"? |
| 14:39:07 | GodEater | the F hardly needs a backpack, it goes in my suit jacket breast pocket easily |
| 14:39:35 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I was referring to your "tiny pic code which can handle SD cards" |
| 14:39:37 | [IDC]Dragon | I hope I can copy the goods of the MMC driver |
| 14:39:51 | [IDC]Dragon | and will do HD model(s) first |
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| 14:39:56 | CaduMimi | guys, thank you for all the answers/clarifications |
| 14:40:04 | CaduMimi | i'm definately up for one of those toshibas :P |
| 14:40:16 | [IDC]Dragon | then check how minimal MMC can be done |
| 14:40:35 | [IDC]Dragon | we only need to support the internal |
| 14:40:51 | CaduMimi | GodEater: crossfade and all the nifty things work perfectly in it ? ? :P |
| 14:41:03 | [IDC]Dragon | so detection etc can go overboard |
| 14:41:03 | GodEater | yep |
| 14:41:20 | GodEater | CaduMimi: it's the most powerful (in terms of CPU) player that rockbox supports |
| 14:41:48 | [IDC]Dragon | pehaps an early cvs version can show us how that looked like ;-) |
| 14:41:54 | GodEater | CaduMimi: so you can have pretty much every DSP effect Rockbox supports turned on and it won't bat an eyelid |
| 14:42:18 | Shaid | eh |
| 14:42:20 | CaduMimi | GodEater: and yet the thing boasts good battery life? whoa |
| 14:42:26 | Shaid | cheapest price I've found for it 480, GodEater |
| 14:42:31 | GodEater | CaduMimi: yep |
| 14:42:32 | Shaid | guess it's an expensive little device. |
| 14:42:46 | GodEater | Shaid: I'm not fussed then - the F series is plenty good enough for me |
| 14:43:39 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Even svn bootbox only supports the internal... |
| 14:43:48 | daurn|zaurus | night all |
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| 14:44:06 | [IDC]Dragon | product recommendations remind me of an OT question |
| 14:44:15 | amiconn | You could drop the large block handling, but that'd mean structural changes |
| 14:44:56 | [IDC]Dragon | is there a Linux music player app which has a web frontend, or is made for using a PDA as a browsing remote? |
| 14:44:58 | Shaid | I can get an x30 for 340 |
| 14:45:07 | GodEater | Shaid: what currency ? |
| 14:45:09 | Shaid | clearance stock though, might be sold out |
| 14:45:11 | Shaid | aud. |
| 14:45:26 | GodEater | still a little pricey - esp. for only 30GB |
| 14:45:26 | Shaid | huge link following... |
| 14:45:27 | Shaid | http://dseau.resultspage.com/search.php?p=R&srid=S2%2d4&lbc=dseau&w=gigabeat%20&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2edse%2ecom%2eau%2fcgi%2dbin%2fdse%2estorefront%2f%5fsessionid%5f%2fProduct%2fView%2fA4912&rk=4&uid=838802370&sid=2&ts=p2&rsc=wZ4fSyh31WE8veqL&sessionid=45e4371e0b7934e8273fc0a87f9c0712&method=and&isort=score |
| 14:45:32 | Shaid | that's a LONG url |
| 14:45:41 | GodEater | Shaid: www.tinyurl.com |
| 14:45:49 | Shaid | yeah |
| 14:46:01 | Shaid | I should've though of that, considering how much I use tinypic |
| 14:46:40 | * | [IDC]Dragon sees his question scrolling away unnoticed, I'd better ask the ML |
| 14:47:03 | GodEater | [IDC]Dragon: mpd |
| 14:47:12 | linuxstb | [IDC]Dragon: I remember something called, I think, giantdisc which was an audio player controlled by a Palm. |
| 14:47:16 | GodEater | there are a couple of PHP based front ends to it |
| 14:47:39 | JdGordon | hmmm... wtf? my sim suddenly decided to start crashing when loading mp3s! |
| 14:47:41 | GodEater | xmms2 is similar to mpd too - there may be web front ends to it now too |
| 14:47:47 | daurnimator | JdGordon: goto bed! |
| 14:47:49 | daurnimator | cya |
| 14:47:55 | JdGordon | and by crash I mean freeze |
| 14:48:00 | * | JdGordon doesnt have uni tomorow |
| 14:48:28 | * | GodEater uses mpd on his work and home PCs all the time |
| 14:48:39 | * | amiconn wonders what [IDC]Dragon still needs a pc based music player, with so many daps... |
| 14:48:46 | [IDC]Dragon | web frontend is not really necessary, in fact overkill which may slow it down, but I want a browsing remote |
| 14:49:00 | amiconn | Insert "for" at the correct position... |
| 14:49:15 | bospaadje | mpd doesnt have a default frontend |
| 14:49:15 | Lynx_ | [IDC]Dragon: http://sourceforge.net/projects/amarokwebfront/ |
| 14:49:24 | GodEater | [IDC]Dragon: the "front end" is seperate from the player |
| 14:49:34 | Shaid | amiconn: there aren't many daps with 500gig storage space... |
| 14:49:40 | GodEater | [IDC]Dragon: in both the case of mpd and xmms2 - which are both server based players |
| 14:50:25 | GodEater | [IDC]Dragon: they both use a simple control mechanism allowing you to construct your own client in whatever manner you choose |
| 14:50:26 | [IDC]Dragon | thanks for the pointers, I know amarok |
| 14:50:43 | [IDC]Dragon | GodEater: sounds good |
| 14:51:19 | GodEater | [IDC]Dragon: mpd, (which I know and use) has command line clients, ncurses based ones, the web ones already mentioned, and several different flavoured GUI ones |
| 14:51:40 | GodEater | I use emphasis, which is an ETK based GUI client personally. |
| 14:52:01 | [IDC]Dragon | I have my (headless) server in the basement, it could pump S/PDIF through the house |
| 14:52:04 | GodEater | there are even windows clients for mpd which talk to it over the network |
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| 14:52:35 | GodEater | [IDC]Dragon: I have the same plan in my new place ;) |
| 14:53:06 | [IDC]Dragon | what do you plan for a remote? |
| 14:53:24 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm thinking about a Nokia770 |
| 14:53:28 | BigMac | Hey anyone around who has amade a successful dock connector for the ipod |
| 14:53:32 | [IDC]Dragon | and have a SimPad |
| 14:53:46 | BigMac | or has a decent amount of electronics know how |
| 14:53:55 | GodEater | it'll be much cheaper than http://www.sonos.com/ |
| 14:54:10 | [IDC]Dragon | I'vechecked sonos a while ago |
| 14:54:19 | GodEater | it's a nice idea - but VERY expensive! |
| 14:54:24 | [IDC]Dragon | and have one squeezebox |
| 14:54:49 | [IDC]Dragon | sonos database is limited to 40k songs, which drops it |
| 14:54:57 | GodEater | pah - that's rubbish |
| 14:55:13 | GodEater | I might look into getting a Nokia770 myself |
| 14:55:24 | GodEater | otherwise I have an iPaq I could use |
| 14:56:01 | [IDC]Dragon | the UI has to be swift, sliggishness kills it |
| 14:56:50 | [IDC]Dragon | I found only very few PDAs whith a jogdial |
| 14:57:15 | [IDC]Dragon | and those are rather up/down rocker switches, I think |
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| 15:01:39 | GodEater | yeah - that sounds like the same thing on my iPaq |
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| 15:03:23 | [IDC]Dragon | giantdisc lokks good, too |
| 15:03:27 | JdGordon | pondlife: almost got it :) |
| 15:03:29 | [IDC]Dragon | looks |
| 15:05:01 | JdGordon | anyone got a usb numpad they dont use?. |
| 15:05:22 | [IDC]Dragon | and I want to optionally browse by file date, to check new additions |
| 15:05:36 | [IDC]Dragon | that seems to be a rare feature |
| 15:05:51 | Shaid | [IDC]Dragon: sounds like you might have to write your own... |
| 15:06:02 | Shaid | or modify an open source one |
| 15:06:25 | [IDC]Dragon | I did the sort by date rockbox option for that |
| 15:07:02 | [IDC]Dragon | perhaps mod something a bit, yes |
| 15:10:30 | [IDC]Dragon | do you know if mpd or xmms2 can do ff/fr ? |
| 15:10:36 | markun | CaduMimi: don't buy a Gigabeat S60 by accident.. |
| 15:10:54 | preglow | markun: people sometimes do that? |
| 15:10:57 | GodEater | [IDC]Dragon: yes they can |
| 15:11:03 | preglow | how much do gigabeats go for these days anyway? |
| 15:11:08 | GodEater | well - mpd can |
| 15:11:11 | GodEater | still not used xmms2 |
| 15:11:41 | preglow | i have intrinsic distrust for anything with "xmms" in the name |
| 15:12:08 | GodEater | it's a complete re-write as I understand it |
| 15:12:09 | CaduMimi | markun, got it, F or X series only |
| 15:12:16 | GodEater | the only thing it shares is the name |
| 15:12:33 | CaduMimi | any will do ? (do the numbers after the char matter?) |
| 15:13:00 | GodEater | the numbers just specify the disk space |
| 15:13:06 | GodEater | so any number will do |
| 15:13:09 | markun | preglow: F40 is the most available I think, around $100 |
| 15:13:15 | GodEater | just depends on how much space you want |
| 15:13:24 | * | [IDC]Dragon tries to compare xmms2 and mpd |
| 15:13:38 | Shaid | preglow: I can get you an x60 for $475aud :P |
| 15:13:47 | [IDC]Dragon | the xmms2 folks say theirs is better... ;-) |
| 15:13:47 | Shaid | 370aud for the 30g. |
| 15:13:51 | JdGordon | pondlife: ok, try the new patch please.. and look for bugs which this brought in... |
| 15:13:56 | * | JdGordon -> bed |
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| 15:14:10 | markun | CaduMimi: and the players >= 40 are 3mm thicker than the < 40 models (exception is the F41) |
| 15:14:32 | GodEater | [IDC]Dragon: looks like they might be right - if you're only looking at the feature set |
| 15:14:46 | GodEater | I couldn't tell you which sounds better though :) |
| 15:15:07 | CaduMimi | markun, thicker hard drive , right ? |
| 15:17:54 | markun | CaduMimi: yes, 2 platters instead of 1 |
| 15:18:11 | [IDC]Dragon | mpd seems more mature, xmms2 has no official release yet |
| 15:18:27 | [IDC]Dragon | the rockbox disease... ;-) |
| 15:18:38 | GodEater | hehe |
| 15:18:45 | preglow | what do you mean, we have several official releases :> |
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| 15:35:18 | [IDC]Dragon | the xmms2 developers use git, whoa |
| 15:35:34 | GodEater | try not to hold it against them |
| 15:36:00 | [IDC]Dragon | haha |
| 15:36:32 | [IDC]Dragon | no, I got the impression they're tough kernel hackers |
| 15:36:44 | GodEater | learning git is on my todo list |
| 15:37:04 | GodEater | somewhere after "steal paris hiltons millions and leave her in the gutter" |
| 15:37:07 | [IDC]Dragon | learning svn is on mine ;-) |
| 15:37:47 | [IDC]Dragon | oh, you just missed paris' party |
| 15:38:29 | GodEater | darn |
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| 15:43:49 | preglow | GodEater: you could leave her with me, i'm planning on getting rich on selling movies |
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| 15:44:24 | GodEater | movies starring her? Good luck! |
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| 15:44:38 | * | GodEater saw House of Wax. Wasn't impressed. |
| 15:44:54 | preglow | only movie with her i've seen is one night in paris |
| 15:44:54 | preglow | haha |
| 15:45:31 | preglow | jhMikeS: yoes? |
| 15:45:45 | GodEater | hahaha - yeah I saw that too. Not a bad effort at comedy |
| 15:45:46 | * | jhMikeS site waiting for comments after every commit :) |
| 15:45:53 | jhMikeS | sits even |
| 15:46:04 | preglow | what's this with differing parameters? |
| 15:46:35 | jhMikeS | preglow: for now...I want them on coldfire to be coldfire centic...and I can't redo the ARM stuff |
| 15:47:12 | preglow | oh |
| 15:47:18 | preglow | i'll see how doable it is |
| 15:47:28 | jhMikeS | If you switch it there, go ahead and stip that |
| 15:47:32 | GodEater | hurrah! Offer on place in Wapping has been accepted. Champagne will flow tonight! |
| 15:48:29 | jhMikeS | preglow: I mean, you did tell me it didn't matter for ARM and to just go ahead and make it easy to use movem afterall :) |
| 15:49:05 | preglow | jhMikeS: it most often doesn't, i'll have a look now |
| 15:49:09 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 15:50:00 | markun | GodEater: congrats! When is the house-warming party? |
| 15:50:09 | preglow | i've got a collision in dsp_cf.S now, hmm |
| 15:50:17 | preglow | i wonder what i did to that |
| 15:50:43 | jhMikeS | weren't adding anything? |
| 15:50:55 | preglow | it's in the middle of crossfeed so it has to be something |
| 15:50:56 | preglow | shrug |
| 15:51:03 | preglow | if i can't remember, it wasn't imporatnt |
| 15:52:14 | linuxstb | GodEater: Congrats on your purchase of a little bit of Wapping |
| 15:52:21 | GodEater | markun: well they're looking to have everything done and dusted in 8 weeks - which will be record time what with the way the UK property market works! |
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| 15:52:39 | GodEater | linuxstb: thank you ;) |
| 15:54:12 | jhMikeS | well, I change the style of the asm to match my crummy preference used in most of it |
| 15:55:17 | preglow | that weird mix of mit and motorola syntax? :> |
| 15:55:56 | jhMikeS | :P ... |
| 15:56:26 | preglow | i don't really care as long as pure mit isn't used |
| 15:57:09 | * | jhMikeS doesn't even have a clue about...just likes the x(%Ax) over (x, %Ax) cause it saves characters |
| 15:57:30 | preglow | yeah, that's one of the ones i really don't are about |
| 15:57:39 | preglow | i pretty much just chose at random |
| 15:57:50 | preglow | never did any m68k before rockbox |
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| 15:58:33 | jhMikeS | me neither...rb just gives me a reason to learn things |
| 15:58:39 | preglow | you switched from index addressing to direct addressing? |
| 15:58:45 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 15:58:47 | preglow | why? |
| 15:58:54 | jhMikeS | fewer instructions |
| 15:58:58 | preglow | really now |
| 15:59:11 | preglow | that might give me headaces for arm |
| 15:59:14 | preglow | headaches too |
| 15:59:18 | jhMikeS | it's optional |
| 15:59:35 | preglow | the arm crossfeed really, really has a register squeeze going on |
| 15:59:36 | jhMikeS | for arm, use an index...it doesn't matter what's in the index field |
| 15:59:38 | preglow | but i'll see |
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| 16:00:57 | jhMikeS | for coldfire it saved a good number of instruction so index is a pointer :\ |
| 16:01:15 | preglow | most things can be solved i just stare at it enough, i've discovered |
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| 16:01:35 | jhMikeS | ...I think that's my experience too |
| 16:04:28 | preglow | i'm thinking of redesigning that crossfeed filter too |
| 16:04:31 | preglow | but that doesn't affect the asm |
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| 16:05:32 | preglow | yeah, definitely, just using one of the filters i designed for tone controls will be better |
| 16:05:33 | jhMikeS | in what way...that wouldn't affect asm? |
| 16:05:38 | preglow | no, not at all |
| 16:05:45 | jhMikeS | hrm |
| 16:06:31 | preglow | nah, this arm thing will be highly doable, so no worries |
| 16:09:29 | jhMikeS | cool |
| 16:09:57 | preglow | the problem with arm that you can't really compare directly with a value |
| 16:10:04 | preglow | if it's a complex value, you first need to load it |
| 16:10:05 | jhMikeS | no immediate cmp? |
| 16:10:19 | preglow | there is, but all immediate numbers in arm need to be eight bit plus rotate |
| 16:10:45 | preglow | so you can do 0xff000000, 0x00012000, 0xab, but not 0x13000435 |
| 16:11:22 | jhMikeS | that would tick me off |
| 16:11:37 | preglow | direct consequence of instructions always being 32 bit |
| 16:12:14 | amiconn | preglow: I've seen numerous places where complex values are constructed instead of a simple pc-rel load |
| 16:12:22 | preglow | amiconn: yep, me too |
| 16:12:35 | amiconn | I wonder why gcc does that... |
| 16:12:37 | preglow | amiconn: rule seems to be that they should be constructed if they can be so out of a mov and or sequence |
| 16:12:43 | preglow | amiconn: ldr with constant pool if not |
| 16:13:10 | preglow | well, i guess some clever dude did a benchmark and found it to be faster |
| 16:13:12 | preglow | at least it's not slower |
| 16:13:22 | preglow | an ldr is three cycles, mov + or is two |
| 16:13:26 | preglow | occupy the same space |
| 16:13:48 | jhMikeS | preglow: well, it's odd, but trying to do channel modes with shifts only saves me 1 clock over having all other neat stuff |
| 16:14:06 | preglow | jhMikeS: you got some fancy stuff to do timing that granular? |
| 16:14:14 | amiconn | preglow: I've seen mov / orr / orr as well |
| 16:14:22 | preglow | amiconn: well, that'd be more dubious if you ask me |
| 16:14:31 | preglow | i'd just use an ldr for that |
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| 16:15:28 | jhMikeS | preglow: not sure what you mean by that... |
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| 16:17:03 | preglow | jhMikeS: well, if you say you save just one clock, that doe simply you have some means to do really fine-grained timing |
| 16:17:07 | preglow | does |
| 16:17:24 | preglow | and i'd like to know what :> |
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| 16:19:57 | preglow | amiconn: hmm, have you ever used "adr" pseude op? |
| 16:20:00 | preglow | pseudo |
| 16:20:02 | preglow | for arm, that is |
| 16:20:18 | jhMikeS | preglow: in theory it's one clock...including stalls |
| 16:20:42 | preglow | jhMikeS: right |
| 16:21:05 | jhMikeS | but every other memory operation is identical anyhow |
| 16:22:37 | Mikachu | one thing i noticed after updating the apple firmware, and this is not important in any way, is that the backlight doesn't turn on when you touch the wheel when it's in usb mode |
| 16:23:15 | amiconn | preglow: No, I didn't even know it exists. What does it do? |
| 16:23:31 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Cycle counting is one thing... but it's not always exact |
| 16:24:13 | preglow | my experience is it's almost never exact |
| 16:24:37 | amiconn | Even though address register and direct addressing should be equally fast on coldfire, direct addressing often runs slower |
| 16:24:48 | jhMikeS | of course not ... I can profile both versions and see ... but running the emac one showed less boost at the time. |
| 16:24:54 | preglow | amiconn: "adr reg, address" is supposed to generate one instruction that creates an address by relative computation from pc |
| 16:25:08 | amiconn | ...just because the instruction is larger and takes longer to load/takes more icache space and similar effects |
| 16:25:10 | preglow | amiconn: which might be a more clever choice than "ldr reg, =address" if it works |
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| 16:28:22 | markun | I still think this guy is full of shit: http://www.zune-online.com/news/zune/interview-steven-biars-of-zune-linux-project.html |
| 16:29:07 | markun | "What linux kernel does the Zune-Linux project uses?" : "... No official kernel for our distro has been decided upon yet." |
| 16:29:26 | * | amiconn tries to avoid opcodes with extension words within tight loops on coldfire |
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| 16:30:34 | GodEater | markun: I think you're right - he didnt' even understand the question |
| 16:30:36 | preglow | markun: hahaha |
| 16:30:39 | GodEater | DSL is hardly a kernel |
| 16:30:40 | preglow | markun: doesn't really seem serious |
| 16:31:08 | markun | I shouldn't waste my time with this.. |
| 16:31:20 | preglow | but hey |
| 16:31:20 | Llorean | Besides, the GPL pretty much absolves you from liability anyway, if the software explodes a few peoples' zunes. |
| 16:31:30 | preglow | he's got a degree in business, shitspeak like this is natural to him |
| 16:31:59 | markun | :) |
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| 16:33:00 | GodEater | all their forums have a sticky "make a donation through paypal" link in them. For GOD'S sake. This is clearly a scam |
| 16:33:02 | preglow | amiconn: doesn't seem like gas likes adr |
| 16:34:20 | preglow | amiconn: yes it does, but the symbols need to be defined in the same file |
| 16:35:28 | preglow | jhMikeS: we probably should store the delay wrap address for crossfeed in the struct or something, since it changes with sample rate |
| 16:35:37 | preglow | jhMikeS: and we might want to support multiple playback rates soon |
| 16:35:43 | jhMikeS | well I did add an extension word in a loop but the rearrangment that nescessitated it more than made up for it |
| 16:35:56 | jhMikeS | preglow: yuck |
| 16:36:24 | jhMikeS | that sucks for crossfade |
| 16:36:33 | preglow | crossfeed? |
| 16:36:37 | markun | fade |
| 16:36:56 | preglow | oh, like that |
| 16:36:58 | jhMikeS | no crossfade...you were talking about crossfade |
| 16:37:06 | jhMikeS | crossfeed |
| 16:37:24 | * | preglow falls off |
| 16:38:10 | markun | preglow: would there be a setting a which samplerate to play or would the sample rate depend on the song's rate? |
| 16:38:27 | preglow | well, the last certainly sounds the most sane |
| 16:38:39 | preglow | after all, we want to minimise the number of processing stages done |
| 16:38:53 | preglow | if the song is 22khz, then we should play it back at 22khz |
| 16:39:09 | * | amiconn agrees |
| 16:39:12 | preglow | both because we then don't have to resample, and also because the dac 100% certainly does the filtering better than we do |
| 16:39:19 | markun | but yes, changing from one file to another with a different rate is a problem |
| 16:39:25 | amiconn | No crossfade possible between different sample rates |
| 16:39:29 | B4gder | that zune linux guy couldn't be less vague on the details |
| 16:39:47 | amiconn | No loss at all imho</opinion> |
| 16:40:14 | B4gder | 10 guys developing, but "has not decided on kernel yet" |
| 16:40:40 | linuxstb | It's obviously so easy, they're porting many different linux kernels to the zune... |
| 16:40:43 | markun | B4gder: look at the reply they gave to toffe's question: http://forums.zune-linux.com/showthread.php?tid=78 |
| 16:41:26 | jhMikeS | I have to find out about some of the tick when switching on x5 |
| 16:42:11 | GodEater | markun: where is his question ? I see a post from him, but no question... |
| 16:42:34 | markun | GodEater: not a question really, more a request to have the discussions public |
| 16:42:35 | preglow | crossfade can fade between songs of different sample rates if it wants to, but then it needs to resample |
| 16:42:44 | preglow | i don't think disabling crossfading between such tracks is so bad |
| 16:42:48 | GodEater | ah |
| 16:43:12 | markun | "Our project doesn't really occur online. Since we all live in the same town and go to the same places. Kind of hard to log us talking randomly." |
| 16:43:28 | B4gder | alas, the project is them talking... |
| 16:44:01 | Llorean | Does the Zune have recording functionality? |
| 16:44:04 | GodEater | "despite the technical nature of our project, we actually have no clue how to use computers or the net, and therefore can't set up any forums / irc channel" |
| 16:44:10 | preglow | we need to issue a press release calling them jive suckers! |
| 16:44:16 | perl|work | markun did you have a chance to test? |
| 16:44:18 | Llorean | preglow: Seconded |
| 16:44:21 | perl|work | i have no problems with 0222 build |
| 16:44:50 | markun | perl|work: I tested with this one file, but somehow crossfade didn't kick in when I skipped to the 'next' file |
| 16:44:53 | perl|work | 0224, 25 - not good |
| 16:45:20 | markun | 0223? |
| 16:45:25 | perl|work | dont have it :P |
| 16:45:41 | markun | you can build it |
| 16:46:01 | preglow | jhMikeS: the change from index -> address probably yields fewer instructions for arm too... |
| 16:46:03 | preglow | i'm a retard |
| 16:46:28 | perl|work | markun probably will tonight |
| 16:46:32 | jhMikeS | preglow: well...heh...that's good then |
| 16:46:56 | perl|work | artifact is strange as well, its like half a second of the previous song |
| 16:47:08 | markun | perl|work: I see much more before 0224 here: http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=gigabeatf |
| 16:47:58 | * | Llorean wonders what town these 10 people live in. |
| 16:49:04 | perl|work | markun i was browsing logs, fail to see why might be causing it |
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| 16:49:09 | perl|work | what* |
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| 16:50:49 | perl|work | its not EQ i think, just FLAC+crossfade |
| 16:51:12 | markun | Llorean: I have to restrain myself from replying.. |
| 16:52:49 | Llorean | It really doesn't matter though. If they get it working, then we'll likely benefit. If they don't, well, it's not like we lost anything. |
| 16:53:22 | markun | GodEater: why doesn't he believe us when we tell him he wants rockbox: http://www.mygigabeat.com/forum/messages.cfm?threadid=F510A9E4-3048-2906-EAA650BBAE7CF819 |
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| 16:55:09 | Llorean | markun: My suspicion is that to him 'upgrade' simple means 'newness' rather than anything regarding functionality. |
| 16:56:42 | markun | Llorean: increadible, although he's looking for a DAP with Ogg Vorbis and UMS he goes for the Gigabeat S! |
| 16:56:43 | jhMikeS | preglow: ...and I mean that's good that it'll yield fewer instructions ;) |
| 16:57:11 | jhMikeS | suppose it's time to whip up the gain function... |
| 16:57:35 | Llorean | markun: Ask him specifically which features Rockbox on Gigabeat lacks, saying that maybe you can recommend a better player knowing what it doesn't offer that he needs. |
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| 16:59:10 | linuxstb | markun: His xclef looks like a good potential Rockbox candidate - 2.5" disk and Coldfire CPU according to this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/XclefInfo |
| 16:59:11 | markun | Llorean: I was thinking about doing that, but perhaps a bit pointless |
| 16:59:34 | * | B4gder posted a reply on the zune linux forum |
| 16:59:40 | markun | linuxstb: yes, but it's already UMS with Ogg Vorbis right? |
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| 16:59:48 | linuxstb | I've no idea. |
| 16:59:56 | * | Llorean was going to reply at the Zune-linux forum but it knew better and wouldn't send me an activation email |
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| 17:00:10 | B4gder | iirc, the xclef had some drawbacks |
| 17:00:23 | B4gder | but I can't remember what atm |
| 17:00:32 | markun | B4gder: sorry for wasting your time with this zune linux thing |
| 17:00:36 | B4gder | hehe |
| 17:00:41 | B4gder | I enjoyed reading that interview |
| 17:01:04 | B4gder | how to hint a lot of stuff without actually saying anything |
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| 17:02:06 | markun | B4gder: and saying some political correct things about linux and microsoft |
| 17:02:52 | jhMikeS | I think we need access to more dsp constants in the .S file |
| 17:03:04 | jhMikeS | or maybe....not :\ |
| 17:03:04 | Llorean | I think that interview said more than enough, just not what they intended it to say. |
| 17:05:19 | markun | Llorean: and they are making us look bad for saying it's a hoax |
| 17:05:50 | GodEater | best just to bow out and offer no further comment IMO |
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| 17:06:55 | markun | GodEater: we have to warn all those poor kids willing to donate their pocket money :) |
| 17:07:14 | * | GodEater is still hoping someone can get linux working on the XB360 - and was excited to see someone purport to do so at a hackercon in Germany recently. But it's all gone very quiet now - so I suspect it was a fraud too. |
| 17:07:18 | preglow | jhMikeS: i don't get the tpf.l in coldfire crossfeed, couldn't you shave that one word by just inverting the branch condition and moving .cfwrap one instruction further? |
| 17:07:34 | Llorean | markun: Their 'staff' pages suggest that they're in MANY different cities. |
| 17:07:43 | Llorean | I'd like to know which of those 'staff' are the actual '10' people working on it. |
| 17:07:48 | Llorean | And which are just forum admins. |
| 17:08:02 | markun | Llorean: maybe they were talking about 'the other development team' |
| 17:08:25 | Llorean | The domain is registered in Florida, and their forums have staff in Dallas TX, Houson TX, Tampa FL, and somewhere in Oklahoma at least. |
| 17:08:30 | Llorean | Err, domain is registered in Ohio |
| 17:08:59 | Llorean | GodEater: It's really really easy to fraud having unsigned code running on the 360 |
| 17:09:12 | Llorean | GodEater: Because if you pay the $100 for the XNA kit, you can run any code you want, to look like anything you want. |
| 17:09:22 | GodEater | this is true |
| 17:09:42 | GodEater | but the guy doing that must have had extremely large cahonas to pull that off in front of a room of people |
| 17:09:53 | jhMikeS | preglow: forward taken branches are 3 times as expensive as forward not taken |
| 17:09:55 | Llorean | markun: If either of the Texas locations turns out to be true, I'd be more than happy to offer to interview them in person and see their progress. :-P |
| 17:10:16 | preglow | jhMikeS: a comment to that effect might be nice |
| 17:10:34 | GodEater | Llorean: I'm not sure they'd be keen to be interview by a man with a bat :) |
| 17:10:58 | jhMikeS | It used to always take the brach for nowrap but thats 13 times as often as doing a wrap |
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| 17:11:44 | Llorean | GodEater: What bat? /me looks innocent. |
| 17:12:08 | GodEater | the one you keep next to your desk that you'd love to use on the odd RB forum poster if only they lived close enough ;) |
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| 17:12:51 | preglow | jhMikeS: man, having to waste two registers for an accumulator sucks : / |
| 17:13:44 | markun | toffe: did you read the zune linux interview? |
| 17:13:47 | jhMikeS | that I don't doubt...how many are there in total? |
| 17:13:59 | toffe | bagder : nice post on zune linux :) |
| 17:14:10 | preglow | jhMikeS: 16 total, one is instruction pointer and one is stack pointer |
| 17:14:13 | preglow | jhMikeS: so 14 |
| 17:14:17 | toffe | markun: I am reading now |
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| 17:19:22 | toffe | markun : he doesn't say anything ... |
| 17:19:47 | preglow | jhMikeS: hmm, i assume i can never assume how far apart two non-interleaved channels will be in memory? :> |
| 17:19:49 | jhMikeS | preglow: that's gotta hurt esp considering all 16 can be used pretty freely on cf if you want to save sp in mem and have accumulators |
| 17:20:03 | jhMikeS | preglow: I wouldn't |
| 17:20:22 | preglow | you pretty much can't anyway |
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| 17:20:26 | preglow | codecs pass variably sized data |
| 17:20:26 | jhMikeS | unless specifically designated somehow |
| 17:20:36 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 17:20:51 | preglow | jhMikeS: well, you can save sp on arm too, no problem |
| 17:21:07 | preglow | you can even treat the pc as any register, but that will of course not help you far... |
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| 17:23:12 | jhMikeS | well, if it's convenient to allow them/**************************************************************************** |
| 17:23:12 | jhMikeS | * void apply_crossfeed(int count, int32_t *src[]) |
| 17:23:12 | jhMikeS | */ |
| 17:23:12 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK jhMikeS |
| 17:23:12 | jhMikeS | well, for jump tables it could |
| 17:23:17 | jhMikeS | lol |
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| 17:23:32 | jhMikeS | I hate it when I accidentally past my clipboard in IRC |
| 17:24:38 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 17:24:38 | * | jhMikeS pasted an entire file once ... and had no incidents after that till now |
| 17:25:11 | Mikachu | irssi has accidental paste detection :) |
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| 17:27:01 | preglow | jhMikeS: yeah, i use it for jump tables |
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| 17:27:21 | preglow | i've pasted plenty of juicy tidbits on irc |
| 17:27:22 | preglow | haha |
| 17:27:27 | * | preglow hugs irssi now |
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| 17:30:44 | desowin | jhMikeS: do you think if adding an playback to plugin API (not controlling audio thread) would require much work ? |
| 17:31:17 | jhMikeS | desowin: if you want pcm playback it's there already |
| 17:31:39 | jhMikeS | or you mean codec playback? if so, that's a good chunk of work atm |
| 17:32:14 | preglow | jhMikeS: i almost want to suggest making all audio interleaved now... |
| 17:32:20 | desowin | I would want something like rb->playback(path_to_song, offset, seconds), where offset is place to start playback from (in seconds), and seconds are how much seconds of song to play |
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| 17:33:14 | desowin | (codec playback) |
| 17:33:28 | preglow | which would make me look very silly indeed, having campaigned for making it all non-interleaved |
| 17:34:01 | jhMikeS | oh blast |
| 17:34:43 | amiconn | Song playback pretty much requires the playback engine |
| 17:34:51 | jhMikeS | desowin: it's hardcodec to calling the playlists for filenames, but I want to rid it of that |
| 17:35:01 | jhMikeS | hardcoded even |
| 17:35:15 | preglow | jhMikeS: btw, do you think keeping misc dsp structs in iram really matters? they're pretty much only burst read/written to in init/deinit |
| 17:35:53 | jhMikeS | desowin: you could redirect the the codec callbacks to your plugin and reset them before it exits :\ |
| 17:36:05 | desowin | jhMikeS: could you provide me some more information how to make it working ? (the playback code is so big) |
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| 17:36:20 | jhMikeS | preglow: I don't know, do a test and see if that changes anything. |
| 17:36:20 | Mikachu | can't he just do whatever the wps does? |
| 17:36:55 | jhMikeS | ...well maybe...I've never look at what the WPS does too much |
| 17:39:11 | jhMikeS | I don't know what there that may be too stuck in the core somehow but that could probably be the best way |
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| 17:48:29 | preglow | markun: btw, do you have an arm target handy? |
| 17:48:57 | markun | yes, I do |
| 17:49:13 | preglow | could you please test what happens when you set direct gain in crossfeed to 0 db? |
| 17:49:16 | preglow | i get a small click here |
| 17:49:28 | preglow | which i assume comes from where the gain is inverted accidentally... |
| 17:49:54 | markun | no click here |
| 17:50:12 | markun | maybe I should try less clicky music :) |
| 17:50:43 | preglow | then it's probably a new bug of mine |
| 17:51:01 | markun | still no click |
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| 17:51:17 | jhMikeS | preglow: I noticed that too. With the code from svn before any changed I made |
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| 17:52:10 | markun | I really don't hear it |
| 17:52:24 | jhMikeS | It's obvious with some spc files |
| 17:52:26 | preglow | markun: if i just managed to hear it through autechre, i think you should hear it too, heh |
| 17:52:29 | preglow | no matter the music |
| 17:52:40 | markun | preglow: I was listening to autechre as well :) |
| 17:52:48 | preglow | haha |
| 17:52:54 | markun | weird ;) |
| 17:53:08 | linuxstb | desowin: I would have thought it was possible for your plugin to create a new playlist containing the song, then tell the playback code to seek to the start point, then start playback, then tell the playback code to stop playback after X seconds. The audio playback menu in the plugin lib does some of those things I think... |
| 17:53:22 | markun | preglow: Garbagemx36 in fact |
| 17:53:46 | preglow | oooh, i love garbage ep |
| 17:53:53 | preglow | i was listening to some tri repetae track |
| 17:53:58 | preglow | can't ever remember the names, heh |
| 17:54:03 | preglow | track 2 |
| 17:54:12 | preglow | jhMikeS: i get it on coldfire as well |
| 17:54:25 | markun | preglow: did you see the music video for Ganz Graf? |
| 17:54:33 | preglow | markun: zillions of times |
| 17:54:37 | markun | :) |
| 17:54:45 | preglow | jhMikeS: it probably is from 0db getting calculated as 0x80000000 instead of 0x7fffffff |
| 17:54:47 | desowin | linuxstb: it'll require stopping scrobbler_change_event, as I don't want those to get scrobbled |
| 17:55:09 | preglow | i qualify as a bona-fide autechre fan, i'd guess, if you just don't count that new album |
| 17:55:42 | preglow | which is boring |
| 17:55:53 | preglow | jhMikeS: i actually managed to bloody botch even this tiny fix... |
| 17:55:56 | preglow | nothing ever is easy for me |
| 17:56:38 | jhMikeS | preglow: something I messed up in shuffling things around? I made sure as I could not to change the calculations at all but who knows. |
| 17:57:12 | preglow | jhMikeS: nah, it's almost certainly my fault, you don't seem to have shuffled the actual struct contents around |
| 17:57:55 | desowin | linuxstb: and imo it's really hackish approach |
| 17:58:19 | jhMikeS | preglow: don't worry, when trimming up the crossfeed, it wasn't working so I went through adding the changes bit by bit, and nothing was working... |
| 17:58:39 | linuxstb | desowin: I wouldn't consider it a hack - it's simply a plugin controlling the playback engine. |
| 17:58:40 | jhMikeS | ...then I'm sitting going wtf, and I see I running the loop once too many times :) |
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| 18:00:21 | jhMikeS | I also see now I don't need that fudge I put in yesterday to have the replaygain applied correctly...that will get fixed along with the addition of asm for that |
| 18:00:33 | desowin | looks crazy, but I'll consider it later |
| 18:03:57 | zylche | The pod has sight. I repeat. The pod has sight! |
| 18:03:58 | desowin | it seems to be easiest way, and if you don't consider it a hack - sounds even better |
| 18:05:45 | preglow | IDIOT |
| 18:05:47 | * | preglow found his bug |
| 18:06:24 | jhMikeS | preglow: yes? don't be shy :) |
| 18:07:05 | markun | preglow: the clicking? And should I have heard it as well? |
| 18:07:42 | preglow | markun: definitely, you've got to be deaf or something ;) |
| 18:07:47 | preglow | but no, that's not what i fixed, that'll come later |
| 18:09:57 | preglow | jhMikeS: ah, right, didn't see the switchparam thing either |
| 18:10:03 | preglow | i guess i'll get rid of that in the same go |
| 18:14:09 | jhMikeS | preglow: feel free ... was only a holdover |
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| 18:16:15 | jhMikeS | odd that apply_gain changes the source buffer but doesn't change the sample count ... how that working? |
| 18:16:16 | preglow | jhMikeS: should i remove the entire #define in dsp_asm.h as well? i don't think we'll be needing it again |
| 18:16:37 | jhMikeS | yes...whatever is related to it |
| 18:18:54 | jhMikeS | Well, maybe a temp for the eq but a different one. Want to make it use dsp_data...and in doing add a separate history for each dsp |
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| 18:21:16 | * | jhMikeS is getting ahead of himself and forgetting what's going on here with buffers |
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| 18:24:23 | preglow | arrghghghg |
| 18:24:35 | preglow | i wonder what the hell is up with the ipod usb hanging |
| 18:25:48 | linuxstb | Have you noticed if there's disk activity when you're attaching usb? |
| 18:25:55 | preglow | yes |
| 18:26:02 | preglow | there always is when it screws up |
| 18:26:07 | preglow | that is, the icon shows |
| 18:26:09 | linuxstb | That's what I've noticed as well. |
| 18:26:31 | linuxstb | Maybe the ata spinup callback? That's a relatively new addition. |
| 18:27:14 | linuxstb | Although is this just an ipod problem? |
| 18:28:07 | preglow | hmm |
| 18:28:18 | preglow | this feels like something i've dreamt or something, but i think i saw it on the h120 too |
| 18:28:22 | preglow | i hope for my sake i didn't dream that |
| 18:28:49 | linuxstb | :) I have the same faint recollection, although I'm not using my h140 much these days. |
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| 18:29:20 | Llorean | What USB hanging, exactly? |
| 18:29:36 | linuxstb | Rockbox hanging on the USB logo when you attach to a computer. |
| 18:29:55 | linuxstb | Or maybe even before the USB logo appears... |
| 18:30:00 | preglow | never had that |
| 18:30:03 | Llorean | I was going to say I haven't experienced that, but I just realized that I don't plug in USB while in Rockbox. |
| 18:30:19 | linuxstb | preglow: What is your USB hanging problem? |
| 18:33:48 | preglow | it hangs at the usb logo |
| 18:33:52 | preglow | never before |
| 18:34:54 | linuxstb | OK, I'm not 100% sure about it hanging before, maybe that's just been my own development builds. |
| 18:35:02 | BigBambi | I think I saw that today on my H140 - plugged in USB and the USB screen came up but nothing on PC |
| 18:35:28 | linuxstb | BigBambi: Did you notice if the disk was active at the time? |
| 18:35:29 | BigBambi | Then when I unplugged a splash saying Scanning disk came up and the hd light came on a bit, but nothing |
| 18:35:44 | BigBambi | The disk wasn't active until I unplugged the usb cable |
| 18:36:01 | preglow | jhMikeS: looks ok? |
| 18:36:08 | BigBambi | I reset and plugged in into a different socket (still within rockbox) and it ws fine |
| 18:36:19 | BigBambi | It might just be the socket on my laptop |
| 18:36:20 | preglow | i'll just wait for an oops, then go to the shop |
| 18:36:22 | jhMikeS | preglow:?? I miss something? |
| 18:36:28 | jhMikeS | Oh, you committed |
| 18:38:23 | jhMikeS | preglow: looks fine |
| 18:39:13 | BigBambi | linuxstb: Hmmm, just tried another couple of times and it was fine both times (on both sockets). It is the one and only time I've ever seen it, so it might just be a combination of laptop + H140. If it happens again I'll let you know. |
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| 18:45:51 | preglow | to me it just looks like i shaved some bytes off dsp_arm... |
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| 18:47:49 | jhMikeS | ouch |
| 18:48:43 | Llorean | Wee |
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| 18:49:28 | jhMikeS | preglow: I see my reply wasn't in the logs: from the initialization of crossfeed_data |
| 18:50:03 | preglow | jhMikeS: of course |
| 18:51:03 | jhMikeS | test |
| 18:51:03 | Llorean | You're here |
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| 18:55:00 | Mikachu | just for reference, there was just a netsplit on oftc too |
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| 18:55:52 | amiconn | hrrm |
| 18:55:53 | * | preglow shop |
| 18:56:00 | amiconn | nothankyouforridingfreenode |
| 18:56:25 | jhMikeS | zok pow |
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| 18:57:18 | [IDC]Dragon | nevertheless, I'm off |
| 18:57:28 | [IDC]Dragon | cu |
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| 18:57:59 | jhMikeS | uhoh...is another coming? Got the Private CTCP VERSION again |
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| 19:02:07 | Lear | jhmikes: the recent dsp changes seems to have messed something up; 22 khz mono MP3:s sound ... interesting. :) |
| 19:02:22 | jhMikeS | Lear: hmmm...will check |
| 19:02:35 | jhMikeS | ...and then find out why |
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| 19:03:02 | jhMikeS | Lear: after which build in particular...if you happen to know |
| 19:04:09 | Lear | Not really, had a build from Feb 21-22 or so, and that was fine. Build from now isn't. |
| 19:04:13 | Lear | Related to this thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9036.0 |
| 19:04:34 | Lear | No obvious resampler problem from some other test files (with other frequencies). |
| 19:05:46 | jhMikeS | If you can pitch shift ok, then definitely not...any particular settings change that makes it come/go? |
| 19:05:46 | Lear | It's the mono->stereo conversion at least. |
| 19:06:15 | jhMikeS | and which player btw? |
| 19:06:17 | Lear | (And I saw that the time info for an ADPCM file was way off... :) |
| 19:06:20 | Lear | H140. |
| 19:06:34 | Lear | But apparantly similar problems on ipods. |
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| 19:06:57 | Llorean | zune-online.com just tried to post a link to the interview in our Zune thread. =/ |
| 19:07:01 | jhMikeS | ok, I tested some mono recordings so it crept in somewhere |
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| 19:12:26 | toffe | strange : I received a mail from the forum saying there was a new post on the zune topic , I click on the link , and there is nothing new ?? |
| 19:12:52 | Llorean | toffe: Seem my last message a couple lines up. |
| 19:13:08 | Llorean | It was merely a link to the interview, and unrelated to Rockbox on Zune in any real way |
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| 19:14:23 | * | Mikachu stabs floam |
| 19:14:34 | floam | hey |
| 19:15:20 | toffe | Llorean: sorry I didn't see it |
| 19:15:27 | jhMikeS | great, another bug I can't readily reproduce :\ ... just did a 22kHz, 160kbps mono MP3 and it sounds ok |
| 19:15:42 | Llorean | toffe: Anyway, I deleted the post and PMed the user telling them that it's a technical thread and that it was off topic. |
| 19:16:20 | floam | Mikachu: I've been idling in here since my purchase of a 5.5g iPod |
| 19:16:27 | floam | looking to destroy another community, etc |
| 19:16:34 | Mikachu | ah i see |
| 19:16:35 | pixelma | Lear: the time info for ADPCM is off since I tried the first in a sim (end of November/start of December last year) |
| 19:16:44 | Llorean | toffe: I've sent you his response to me. I think it might make you laugh. |
| 19:17:05 | toffe | ok |
| 19:17:48 | Llorean | As far as I'm concerned, he's not going to be allowed to use our forums to raise publicity until he's willing to start sharing some useful information. |
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| 19:19:37 | pixelma | Lear: maybe it had been off before but I didn't notice ;) |
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| 19:21:07 | toffe | Llorean : I talk with this guy yesterday, he doesn't beleive the zune linux project |
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| 19:22:05 | BigMac | Hey any reason mods are allowing 4+ builds that all only apply bmp resize and cover art for the same model? |
| 19:22:41 | jhMikeS | Lear: I hit some funky droid sounds with dithering on :) |
| 19:24:13 | jhMikeS | Lear: do you have dithering turned on? |
| 19:24:30 | toffe | Llorean: on his site, one of the more popular review is Rockbox... and he is going to talk more about it if he sees some progress on the zune... |
| 19:24:45 | Llorean | toffe: Gotcha, good to know |
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| 19:25:17 | toffe | Llorean: you should let him post on the forum but just for technical stuff, I think you should send him another email :) |
| 19:26:01 | toffe | Llorean: public relation is important ;) |
| 19:26:01 | floam | does rockbox have a mailing list or something? I can't imagine a web forum is conductive to technical collaboration at all |
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| 19:26:43 | Llorean | toffe: He and I are corresponding. |
| 19:26:51 | floam | 99% of the time they're just full of blabbering clueless people with no idea what is going on |
| 19:26:51 | toffe | ok |
| 19:27:20 | floam | (compared to a mailing list, with maybe only 80% clueless blabberers) |
| 19:27:55 | Llorean | floam: Honestly, I sometimes feel our mailing list is worse than our forums. |
| 19:28:10 | floam | oh, so there is an ML |
| 19:28:15 | floam | Llorean: strange |
| 19:28:28 | Llorean | floam: If you look at the menu bar on every page of the site, theres a link 'mailing list' |
| 19:28:34 | floam | does ipodlinux have one as well? |
| 19:28:44 | Llorean | I don't have any interest in iPL |
| 19:29:03 | floam | they have a wiki where they all over the place talk of these mysterious secret patches "released to the right people" |
| 19:29:14 | floam | but they seem to have no ML, so I can only assume they do everything in secret |
| 19:29:58 | Febs | Actually, we have several mailing lists. |
| 19:30:09 | floam | really. Guess I suck at the interwebs. |
| 19:30:28 | Febs | One is full of particularly clueless people. The other isn't so bad. |
| 19:30:30 | floam | not link to from http://www.ipodlinux.org/Main_Page is it? |
| 19:31:58 | floam | aha, found an archive at marc.theaimsgroup. |
| 19:32:03 | Lear | jhmikes: yes, dither on. |
| 19:32:10 | floam | with.. 2 mssages per month |
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| 19:32:38 | jhMikeS | Lear: yeah, that's what does it for mono |
| 19:33:14 | floam | by the way, I might have slightly vandalized your guys' wiki in my annoyance at being unable to find a patch: http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php?title=5.5g&diff=0&oldid=15802 feel free to revert. |
| 19:33:41 | Llorean | floam: We're Rockbox, not iPodLinux... |
| 19:34:36 | floam | I was speaking to Febs |
| 19:34:59 | floam | I commented on their MLs, and then he mentioned that they do have a few. |
| 19:35:21 | Febs | No, I said "we" have a few. |
| 19:35:25 | Febs | "We" meaning Rockbox. |
| 19:35:43 | floam | oh. I had just commented on the iPL stuff so I figured you spoke up for them. sorry. |
| 19:35:44 | Febs | I was responding to your question, "does rockbox have a mailing list or something?" |
| 19:36:13 | floam | Yeah; I found them, thanks. Strange I missed the archives with the big fat links on the front page. |
| 19:36:54 | Llorean | The Development mailing list is useful. The common one sometimes frightens me with some of the random assertions people will make about how things are. |
| 19:37:04 | Lear | jhmikes: yes, seems the dithered mono case doesn't duplicate the samples. |
| 19:37:11 | jhMikeS | right |
| 19:38:13 | jhMikeS | used to be a stage of it's own now it is an output function |
| 19:40:14 | jhMikeS | should be np to get corrected |
| 19:40:39 | Lear | Hm.. But output format is still interleaved stereo? |
| 19:41:04 | Lear | (Ah, yes, missed "dinc".) |
| 19:41:21 | toffe | does any one know this http://www.yagarto.de/ , can we use it to compile rockbox ? |
| 19:41:41 | jhMikeS | Lear yes, that's what the hw wants |
| 19:42:27 | Llorean | toffe: Remember, we have many non-ARM targets as well. |
| 19:42:38 | toffe | ok :) |
| 19:43:03 | Llorean | It looks like it could probably wrangle a compile for the ARM targets though, if you wrestled with it a bit |
| 19:43:35 | Lear | You'd still need perl, sed and various other bits that Cygwin contains. |
| 19:43:36 | jhMikeS | suppose I'll duplicate the dithered samples for mono after the dither...don't wanna dither twice for mono |
| 19:43:38 | toffe | just asking an advice as I want to make some debug on the gigabeat S and perhaps the F, it is complete |
| 19:46:36 | toffe | if I can connect the jtag on the gigabeat S and F |
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| 20:00:32 | jhMikeS | ok, now it's sounding better :) |
| 20:04:09 | preglow | jhMikeS: there's no point in doing so either |
| 20:06:13 | jhMikeS | preglow: I concur :) ... just a quick copy |
| 20:06:50 | jhMikeS | should have it fixed up in a few minutes |
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| 20:13:12 | perl|work | could anyone test FLAC playback with crossfade please? |
| 20:14:15 | roolku | is anyone here who understands the MENUITEM_FUNCTION macro, specifically the use of the callback? |
| 20:14:54 | Mikachu | is the callback not the function called when you select the menu item? |
| 20:16:20 | roolku | as I understand it is used to create menu items dynamically |
| 20:16:40 | roolku | it is typically NULL |
| 20:17:25 | linuxstb | Or is it used to decide at runtime if a particular item is shown or hidden? |
| 20:17:48 | preglow | don't rub yourself in the eyes when handling chilis |
| 20:17:50 | preglow | it hurts very much |
| 20:17:52 | roolku | linuxstb: yes |
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| 20:19:07 | roolku | linuxstb: but from looking at the code it just changes ACTION_ENTER_MENUITEM to ACTION_EXIT_MENUITEM if the hardware is not detected |
| 20:20:28 | linuxstb | roolku: Your best option is to wait until JdGordon is awake (he's in .au) |
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| 20:20:52 | roolku | linuxstb: yes, I guess so. Cheers |
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| 20:27:33 | desowin | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2686 <- this refers to backlight or for targets with remote LCD that can be turned off ? |
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| 20:36:08 | Llorean | desowin: I'm not even sure remotely what he's asking |
| 20:36:51 | desowin | btw. I've seen two feature requests for the same thing (the feature request that I'm planning to do, as I need it too) ;-) |
| 20:37:55 | desowin | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5860 and http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5203 |
| 20:41:47 | anon | is there anyone currently active on rockbox dev for e2xxR sansas? |
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| 20:43:04 | toffe | Llorean, desowin : it seems that in want the screen upside down |
| 20:44:30 | toffe | he^^ |
| 20:44:53 | Llorean | toffe: I thought it might be that, but I think we already have that feature, or had. |
| 20:47:33 | preglow | anon: yes |
| 20:47:44 | preglow | anon: i believe it is making progress |
| 20:47:59 | anon | cool, i dont know why im on as anon lol i guess i didnt check |
| 20:48:05 | anon | thats good to know though |
| 20:48:19 | anon | do you know anything specifically ? |
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| 20:49:19 | Llorean | anon: Did you have a specific question, or something? |
| 20:49:45 | anon | well im just wondering if the bootloader is working yet or if there have been any significant advancments |
| 20:49:58 | anon | because id be willing to test/help |
| 20:51:14 | preglow | did anyone try to port the sansa emulator to use sdl? |
| 20:51:22 | NHeal | kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
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| 20:52:19 | anon | i could do that |
| 20:52:25 | Llorean | anon: There are instructions in the thread in our forums. |
| 20:52:36 | anon | link ? |
| 20:52:47 | Llorean | forums.rockbox.org, in the New Ports section |
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| 20:54:18 | preglow | amiconn: could you give me quick summary as to what needs to be done to get rid of long calls? postfix all declarations by IDATA_* and prefix all definitions by the same? |
| 20:54:53 | anon | Llorean: thanks a lot |
| 20:56:00 | anon | sorry, ive already read through this entire post haha |
| 20:56:24 | Llorean | That and the websites linked there are pretty much everything. |
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| 20:56:57 | anon | Llorean: youre talking about the sansa e200 thread in the new ports section , correct? |
| 20:57:20 | Llorean | Yes |
| 20:57:37 | anon | Llorean: ok, just making sure, thank you |
| 20:57:38 | anon | Llorean: |
| 20:57:38 | preglow | getting big now... |
| 20:57:56 | anon | Llorean: im just excited about this stuff, its cool that i might be able to finally get rockbox on my sansa |
| 20:58:23 | Llorean | anon: It's useless for its primary purpose right now. |
| 20:58:45 | anon | Llorean: yea |
| 20:58:45 | anon | Llorean: |
| 20:58:50 | Llorean | anon: But the thread I referenced does have suggestions on the last page as to what could be done toward getting it running on the Rhapsody models. |
| 20:59:10 | anon | Llorean: im also interested in getting H3mod funtional now that the fw can be decrypted, i dont know if you are familiar with that at all |
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| 21:00:13 | Llorean | I'm familiar with it, but it's not really relevant to the Rockbox project, so please don't post in the thread about it. |
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| 21:02:05 | anon | Llorean: no no i wasn't going to post a thread, i was just thinking that basically, once one works, so will the other |
| 21:02:17 | anon | Llorean: because were kinda stuck at the same spot with both |
| 21:03:07 | anon | Llorean: i was talking with Lord Julius, the programmer for H3Mod, he says that he thinks the format of the fw and the way its signed has changed |
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| 21:03:28 | BigMac | Hey does anyone here use the stardict plugin on the 5g? |
| 21:03:45 | preglow | Llorean: it has |
| 21:03:47 | preglow | eh |
| 21:03:48 | preglow | anon: it has |
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| 21:03:59 | preglow | but it's being worked on |
| 21:04:05 | Llorean | I thought we already have the key |
| 21:04:18 | Llorean | The problem is that it looks like they're not allowing the all-cleartext method to work, perhaps. |
| 21:04:23 | preglow | yeah, i include that in my defintion of "being worked on" :> |
| 21:04:32 | anon | yea i think thats what its gonna end up being |
| 21:04:50 | anon | we can sign it with a dummy dsa but i dont know if that will work |
| 21:06:42 | desowin | BigMac: it always give me data abort on mini2g |
| 21:06:53 | anon | im going to compile the emulator, unless one of you has a win binary |
| 21:07:19 | preglow | i believe one is posted |
| 21:07:52 | anon | hmm, well ill look for it, otherwise link if you find it :] |
| 21:08:27 | preglow | i believe toni has done more work for it which has not been posted |
| 21:08:33 | preglow | i said he'd drop by today, but i haven't seen him so far |
| 21:08:48 | preglow | eh, he said |
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| 21:08:56 | anon | i see, thats cool. well i hope he shows up :] |
| 21:09:03 | anon | hahaha youve got to be kidding me |
| 21:09:05 | toni1 | preglow: No chance for me to test an ipod boot loader today, because I didn't find a boot file and they are huuuge. |
| 21:09:30 | anon | preglow: hows that for a coincidence? |
| 21:09:34 | preglow | haha |
| 21:09:38 | anon | preglow: ha |
| 21:09:42 | toni1 | preglow: :-) |
| 21:09:51 | anon | hey toni |
| 21:09:51 | preglow | toni1: i've got a flash binary lying around, it's one meg |
| 21:09:59 | toni1 | anon: hi |
| 21:10:05 | preglow | toni1: why can't they be big? |
| 21:10:12 | toni1 | preglow: Where? |
| 21:10:15 | anon | toni1: let me know when you are free to talk |
| 21:10:25 | toni1 | preglow: I'm on 56k |
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| 21:10:33 | preglow | toni1: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/flash.bin |
| 21:10:42 | toni1 | preglow: thanks |
| 21:10:50 | toni1 | preglow: Which target? |
| 21:10:54 | preglow | toni1: ipod nano |
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| 21:11:26 | pixelma | LinusN: re. the root menu being the parent of the root directory... I have this impression not only because of the Ondio buttons - it is also because "files" is also an entry in the root menu... (and this whole hierarchy problem was puzzling all the time since the root menu idea came up) |
| 21:11:27 | preglow | toni1: i can zip it too if you want |
| 21:11:28 | toni1 | preglow: By the way, the emulator can be compiled using: 'gcc -o sansa_emu.exe *.c -lgdi32' after removing the GetTicks() function should work |
| 21:11:57 | toni1 | preglow: yes, zipping would be helpful. |
| 21:11:58 | preglow | flash.zip in the same dir |
| 21:12:03 | donvito | toni1: have you been working on the R dev for sansas? |
| 21:12:03 | preglow | it's only 350k then |
| 21:12:14 | toni1 | preglow: nice :-) |
| 21:12:32 | preglow | toni1: doesn't help me much, i don |
| 21:12:36 | preglow | toni1: doesn't help me much, i don't have a working windows install |
| 21:12:40 | toni1 | preglow: Then I can check it today, but I expect some hardware issues |
| 21:12:52 | preglow | toni1: if the emu can be helpful, i expect i'll try to port it to sdl |
| 21:12:55 | LinusN | pixelma: but don't you agree about it being inconvenient if the browser would always start in the root? |
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| 21:13:30 | toni1 | anon: What's up? |
| 21:13:32 | preglow | toni1: you might stumble into cop issues pretty quickly |
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| 21:13:38 | preglow | toni1: but at least i have seen no thumb code |
| 21:13:53 | toni1 | preglow: thumb should work fine |
| 21:14:01 | preglow | toni1: cool, have you posted your latest work somewhere? |
| 21:14:28 | toni1 | preglow: No, I hesitate, because it's becoming more sansa specific |
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| 21:15:52 | preglow | toni1: and it's not easy to separate the sansa parts from the pp generic parts? |
| 21:16:28 | toni1 | preglow: yes, only needs some work :-) |
| 21:16:31 | pixelma | LinusN: not at all when entering from the root menu - to me it's almost like now after the boot. When returning from WPS and having "follow playlist" set to on - then I'd expect to be in the subdirectory with the file it is or just was playing |
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| 21:16:58 | LinusN | pixelma: "follow playlist" is a completely different matter |
| 21:17:35 | m0s- | will RB work with audiodocks for my ipods |
| 21:17:44 | m0s- | like the hi-fi shit apple has |
| 21:18:07 | Llorean | m0s-: 'audiobooks' is a very general term. |
| 21:18:16 | LinusN | Llorean: read again |
| 21:18:16 | Llorean | Rockbox will work with files in the formats Rockbox lists as supported. |
| 21:18:24 | hcs | m0s-: it has worked with a bose sound dock, for me |
| 21:18:33 | Llorean | LinusN: Oops |
| 21:18:35 | Llorean | m0s-: Sorry |
| 21:18:36 | m0s- | ;) |
| 21:19:01 | hcs | m0s-: the exception being the remote control, which does not have any effect on rockbox |
| 21:19:15 | Llorean | m0s-: Docks are the same status as accessories: Line in, line out, and power pin. |
| 21:20:01 | LinusN | pixelma: in my view the root menu (despite of its name) is not part of any hierarchy. as a matter of fact, the root menu was made because we wanted to get rid of the existing hierarchy |
| 21:20:26 | LinusN | the only hierarchy that exists now is the file tree |
| 21:20:34 | m0s- | hcs why wasn't the remote working? |
| 21:20:43 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:21:01 | LinusN | and having to begin at the root just because you have been in the menu is a pain in the butt if you ask me |
| 21:21:07 | preglow | agreed |
| 21:21:21 | preglow | as a matter of fact, it'd annoy me no end |
| 21:21:22 | hcs | m0s-: rockbox doesn't support remotes for ipod yet |
| 21:22:01 | m0s- | I guess I'll wait |
| 21:22:05 | Llorean | m0s-: The accessory protocol isn't known, and I don't believe we have the ability to communicate with them at all on iPods 4G and newer (or was that newer than 4G). |
| 21:22:29 | toni1 | preglow: result of the emu: cpu waits for something USB (reading 0x70000030 and waits for bit31) |
| 21:22:31 | scorche` | Llorean: the latter |
| 21:22:49 | scorche` | errr....strike that...the former |
| 21:22:51 | Llorean | Is there a problem with "Follow Playlist" in relation to the root menu patch? |
| 21:23:09 | preglow | toni1: does it do any writing/reading from i2c address 0x8? |
| 21:23:10 | Llorean | scorche`: I thought it was the ones with 20-series PP chips, but I'm not sure. |
| 21:23:14 | LinusN | Llorean: wouldn't surprise me :-) |
| 21:23:18 | preglow | toni1: device address, that is |
| 21:23:42 | toni1 | preglow: I have to check (cop disabled here) |
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| 21:25:21 | m0s- | ugh it's kinda disappointing but ah well |
| 21:25:54 | pixelma | preglow: I really don't see why it is more pain to start browsing from the root than browsing from current directory - I have to admit that I never listened to two albums of the same artist in a row |
| 21:26:20 | toni1 | preglow: No, no reg 0x7000cxxx access in the very first stage |
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| 21:27:10 | preglow | hrmph |
| 21:27:23 | BigMac | Alright just checked the manual and wiki, but is there a way to enque a file so it makes a temporary playlist type thing, so I could set up the songs I would like to hear in order, then just sit back in listen? |
| 21:27:37 | BigMac | I remember hearing something about an on the go playlist |
| 21:27:46 | Mikachu | BigMac: you mean a "playlist"? |
| 21:27:49 | Mikachu | heh |
| 21:27:52 | Llorean | BigMac: Yes, the manual discusses both inserting and queuing songs in a playlist... |
| 21:27:54 | preglow | toni1: how do you know 0x70000030 is usb, btw? |
| 21:28:08 | Llorean | BigMac: Try searching the manual for the word queue specifically |
| 21:28:23 | BigMac | Llorean: Yes, but will that playlist dissipate when you reboot? |
| 21:28:36 | scorche` | BigMac: you can resume it |
| 21:29:13 | Llorean | It'll dissipate when you play another playlist, unless you save it, and depending on whether you choose to insert or queue the songs will be removed from it after playing. |
| 21:29:14 | toni1 | preglow: Because in sansa 0x70000028 is related to usb I think |
| 21:29:16 | pixelma | LinusN: someone better make a drawing... it seems there are some problems with the logic of it (either I don't get it or there are some flaws) |
| 21:29:17 | Llorean | This is described in the manual |
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| 21:29:30 | BigMac | Hmm. Well I was looking of something along the lines (if any of you have ever used the program) what Limewire does |
| 21:30:12 | toni1 | preglow: I can set bit31 and check how far I get with that |
| 21:30:17 | preglow | toni1: would be cool |
| 21:30:20 | Llorean | BigMac: Try describing what you want in more absolute terms. Relative terms like that are useless if we don't have the same point of reference. |
| 21:30:32 | toni1 | preglow: will do |
| 21:30:33 | LinusN | pixelma: it's simple - you can go to the root menu from anywhere |
| 21:30:35 | Llorean | BigMac: But I'd strongly suggest reading about Rockbox's playlist functions in the manual. |
| 21:30:51 | LinusN | pixelma: or at least that's the idea |
| 21:30:52 | preglow | toni1: right now i'm basically just looking for i2c activity, reading and writing from the pcf chip, which is device address 0x8 so tell me if you see any of that |
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| 21:31:08 | BigMac | Llorean:Yah I am trying to read that now, I think I was spelling enque wrong so I couldn't find it |
| 21:31:12 | LinusN | pixelma: i guess your directory structure isn't that deep? |
| 21:32:10 | LinusN | BigMac: and now you did it again :-) |
| 21:32:14 | Nico_P | i just tried the root menu patch on my gigabeat... overall i like it. It's something i've wanted for some time |
| 21:32:23 | LinusN | i love it |
| 21:32:40 | Nico_P | I'm just wondering why there are two "playlist options" menu items |
| 21:32:58 | LinusN | are there? |
| 21:33:03 | Nico_P | and why the one in the settings menu can't go in the general settings |
| 21:33:08 | * | Llorean hasn't tried the Root Menu patch yet. |
| 21:33:20 | Nico_P | i see one in the root menu and one in the settings menu |
| 21:33:20 | Llorean | It has a flyspray task? |
| 21:33:24 | Mikachu | 6630 |
| 21:33:27 | Llorean | Thanks |
| 21:33:29 | LinusN | Nico_P: an oversight, i guess |
| 21:33:32 | Mikachu | also see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RootMenu |
| 21:34:05 | Nico_P | IMHO playlist options are regular settings and should go in the general settings submenu |
| 21:34:10 | LinusN | Nico_P: i think he has focused on getting the root menu right, and hasn't worried about the duplicates yet |
| 21:34:11 | Llorean | Mikachu: I've read a bout it on that page, but just hadn't tried it yet. And didn't remember that page linked to the task, apparently |
| 21:34:20 | pixelma | at the moment it's like "category/artist/album/song.mp3" |
| 21:34:23 | Mikachu | okay, you don't need any excuse though :) |
| 21:34:25 | Nico_P | LinusN: probably, and rightfully so |
| 21:34:44 | Nico_P | but it seems to be approaching a committable state |
| 21:34:44 | * | Llorean is very addle-headed today. |
| 21:34:51 | LinusN | pixelma: then it's 3 clicks to get to the root |
| 21:35:09 | pixelma | and? |
| 21:35:38 | LinusN | or even better, hold Left and you will end up in the root |
| 21:35:55 | pixelma | that doesn't seem to work... |
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| 21:36:09 | LinusN | pixelma: oh? |
| 21:36:18 | pixelma | for me at least |
| 21:36:26 | LinusN | i mean the root of the file tree |
| 21:36:33 | pixelma | I can only go up one folder a time |
| 21:36:45 | LinusN | so repeat doesn't work? odd. |
| 21:37:03 | LinusN | a keymap problem then |
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| 21:39:08 | toni1 | preglow: success, after setting bit27 of 70000030 and bit31 of 7000003C I2c starts (but without 7000c0008) |
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| 21:40:00 | preglow | what's that address |
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| 21:40:19 | toni1 | preglow: I thought you were looking for this? |
| 21:40:46 | pixelma | LinusN: but I don't get what you want to tell me with the 3 clicks... do you mean it's just easier for me because of my directory structure, or are you aiming at something else? |
| 21:40:56 | preglow | toni1: ahh, no, i2c device address |
| 21:41:05 | preglow | toni1: that's written to one of the i2c ctrl regs |
| 21:41:16 | preglow | toni1: either I2C_DATA or I2C_CTRL, i can't remember which, will check |
| 21:41:37 | toni1 | preglow: So it's ok |
| 21:41:38 | preglow | it's written to I2C_ADDR |
| 21:41:50 | preglow | toni1: could i get my hands on that log in some way? |
| 21:42:00 | preglow | so i don't have to waste your time looking for what i want :) |
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| 21:42:08 | LinusN | my point is that it shouldn't be much of an inconvenience for you that it remembers the location in the file tree, just hold Left and you're back in the root. or was your problem not inconvenience but instead your view of the hierarchy? |
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| 21:42:44 | preglow | i agree with you here, i don't really see the root menu as part of the file menu hierarchy |
| 21:42:52 | toni1 | preglow: wait, no, no I2C_ADDR, but ADDR, DATA0, DTA1, DATA2, DATA3 |
| 21:43:11 | preglow | i really see each root menu entry as a separate rockbox mode with its own context |
| 21:43:11 | LinusN | preglow: no, how could it? |
| 21:43:11 | BigMac | Llorean or anyone for that matter, I am trying to create a dynamic playlist so I go to Playlist Options>Create new |
| 21:43:30 | BigMac | But that Creates a visible playlist |
| 21:43:34 | preglow | toni1: well, i guess ADDR is what i'm looking for |
| 21:43:48 | Llorean | BigMac: All you have to do is stop playback and then start inserting/queueing songs... |
| 21:43:56 | preglow | 0x7000c004 |
| 21:44:08 | toni1 | preglow: sorry, again wrong, I2C_ADDR 0x10 have been accessed |
| 21:44:32 | toni1 | preglow: reading and writing atempt |
| 21:44:42 | BigMac | Llorean:Oh both can't be done at the same time |
| 21:44:53 | scorche` | they can be |
| 21:44:57 | Llorean | BigMac: Both what? |
| 21:45:12 | preglow | toni1: hmm, i don't know what device that is, probably the click wheel |
| 21:45:32 | toni1 | preglow: I have nooo idea |
| 21:45:41 | pixelma | Llorean: inserting songs while playing music? ;) |
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| 21:46:38 | Llorean | pixelma: But nobody said he wanted to play music. I only said to stop playback because that's how you have an empty playlist. :) |
| 21:46:39 | toni1 | preglow: I can pm you the logfile. |
| 21:47:01 | preglow | toni1: would be cool |
| 21:47:30 | toni1 | preglowe: your email is in the rockbox list? |
| 21:47:43 | * | Llorean tries the root menu patch. |
| 21:47:43 | preglow | toni1: preglow@gmail.com |
| 21:47:50 | toni1 | preglow: ok |
| 21:47:51 | preglow | the spammers can take that one as much as they want |
| 21:48:06 | toni1 | preglow: :-) |
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| 21:50:49 | pixelma | LinusN: yes maybe the problem is my view on the hierarchy - as I said to me entering from the root menu is like "here is the entry point of the filebrowser" *shrug* |
| 21:51:09 | preglow | to me it's more like "switch to file browser mode" |
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| 21:52:19 | LinusN | preglow: exactly |
| 21:52:33 | preglow | and each mode has its own context, which it remembers |
| 21:52:45 | preglow | current directory is valuable context, if you ask me |
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| 21:55:11 | pixelma | hmmm... maybe I can get used to that... don't know |
| 21:55:35 | LinusN | well, that's how the browser has worked for years |
| 21:55:59 | preglow | well, if it's just a conceptual issue, i think you will :) |
| 21:56:28 | Nico_P | I think i agree with pixelma... it seemed more natural to me that when you select "files", you get to the root |
| 21:56:43 | preglow | in one way of thinkin, yes, it is natural |
| 21:56:47 | preglow | but how impractical! |
| 21:56:50 | preglow | i'd go insane |
| 21:57:02 | LinusN | amen |
| 21:57:08 | Nico_P | maybe yes |
| 21:57:09 | pixelma | LinusN: ? after the bootup I'm in the root |
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| 21:57:35 | LinusN | yes, but every time you re-enter the browser (from the wps) it is where you left it |
| 21:58:15 | pixelma | returning from browser is a different thing |
| 21:58:20 | pixelma | err... WPS |
| 21:58:24 | Nico_P | with follow playlist deactivated it already seems more natural to me |
| 21:58:51 | LinusN | i don't see what "follow playlist" has got to do with it |
| 21:59:24 | pixelma | preglow: again I don't see how that is more practical but maybe that has to do with how I select songs and my directory structure |
| 21:59:39 | LinusN | pixelma: i think so yes |
| 21:59:58 | preglow | it's more impractical for me to be dumped to the root than it is for you not to be |
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| 22:00:05 | preglow | you can just keep left pressed, and bam, you're there |
| 22:00:07 | Nico_P | LinusN: you always end up in the same dir, the one of your current track |
| 22:00:16 | preglow | i have to navigate through a bunch of entries to get where i were |
| 22:00:22 | preglow | that's also a good point, if you ask me |
| 22:00:31 | Mikachu | maybe the follow playlist can have three modes, "follow playlist", "root", "last position"? |
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| 22:00:45 | Mikachu | and obviously be called something else |
| 22:01:04 | LinusN | Nico_P: the currently playing track has nothing to do with remembering the position |
| 22:01:23 | LinusN | in fact, i hate how the original archos firmware works, it *always* follow the playlist |
| 22:01:26 | Nico_P | LinusN: well with "follow playlist" on, it seems to |
| 22:02:00 | LinusN | Nico_P: no, with "follow playlist" it doesn't remember the picture catalog i was browsing while listening to music |
| 22:02:11 | scorche | LinusN: it was the worst when you were navigating to a new song, and the song changed =/ |
| 22:02:12 | LinusN | it is a *completely* different use case |
| 22:02:39 | Llorean | Filetree entrypoint: Playlist, Root, Last position. |
| 22:03:05 | Llorean | Wouldn't an option like that really settle the need for debate? |
| 22:03:21 | LinusN | i don't see the need for it, honestly |
| 22:04:05 | Mikachu | this is stretching it a bit, but you could have an entry for each |
| 22:04:16 | Mikachu | or maybe have the 'playlist' one in the wps context menu |
| 22:04:25 | Nico_P | LinusN: well what i see is that if i am browsing a dir, then press the menu button to go to the root menu, and then select files, instead of getting to the dir i was browsing, i get to the dir where my current track is |
| 22:04:26 | Mikachu | just throwing out ideas |
| 22:04:28 | Llorean | Actually, I was about to suggest that |
| 22:04:40 | Llorean | In the WPS context menu, a "Goto currently playing song" option. |
| 22:04:53 | Llorean | Then leave the filetree behaviour with remembering where you were in it. |
| 22:05:01 | LinusN | Nico_P: exactly, and that is not the same thing as remembering the position |
| 22:05:18 | Nico_P | LinusN: maybe not, but i'm finding this frustrating |
| 22:05:36 | Nico_P | that's why i was saying it felt better with follow playlist off |
| 22:05:39 | LinusN | Nico_P: that it remembers the position? |
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| 22:06:37 | Nico_P | LinusN: what i find frustrating is the behaviour i described above, where the files entry in the root menu always gets you to the dir where the current track is |
| 22:06:52 | LinusN | Nico_P: that would be a real pain |
| 22:07:07 | Nico_P | well it's the case |
| 22:07:23 | LinusN | i think remembering the position in the file tree is very convenient, and a concept that can't be very hard for the users to grasp |
| 22:07:35 | LinusN | Nico_P: it is like that now??????? |
| 22:07:35 | * | linuxstb_ agrees completely |
| 22:07:47 | Nico_P | LinusN: turn 'follow playlist' on |
| 22:07:54 | LinusN | Nico_P: ah, yes |
| 22:08:21 | LinusN | Nico_P: now that there are two entry points to the browser, follow playlist can be irritating |
| 22:08:59 | Nico_P | yeah, it was a nice thing but it becomes a pain now |
| 22:09:07 | Nico_P | maybe it just needs tweaking |
| 22:09:27 | Llorean | I think replacing it with a "Goto Current Song" in the WPS Context menu could work though, right? |
| 22:10:30 | Nico_P | once i turn it off i agree that remembering the browing position is cool :) |
| 22:10:54 | Nico_P | it was a bit frightening at first |
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| 22:11:15 | LinusN | Llorean: i think entering the browser from the WPS could obey the "follow playlist" setting, but entering the browser from the menu doesn't. how about that? |
| 22:11:35 | Nico_P | LinusN: that's what i was going to suggest :) |
| 22:11:42 | * | linuxstb_ too :) |
| 22:11:44 | LinusN | beat you to it! :-) |
| 22:12:03 | Llorean | LinusN: That could work too. |
| 22:12:09 | Llorean | I would like it. |
| 22:12:24 | pixelma | that's something I agree on, too |
| 22:12:31 | linuxstb_ | Do all targets have a WPS->file browser shortcut button? |
| 22:12:35 | LinusN | yes |
| 22:12:52 | linuxstb_ | Then I can't see a problem. |
| 22:12:52 | LinusN | that's the only way to reach it in the svn code |
| 22:13:17 | pixelma | Ondio has - so I guess everything has ;) |
| 22:13:25 | preglow | hrm |
| 22:13:29 | LinusN | pixelma: lol |
| 22:13:35 | preglow | the bootloader seems to do i2c read/writing without first setting an addres |
| 22:14:03 | LinusN | preglow: so it continues at the last address |
| 22:14:16 | preglow | LinusN: it doesn't set it in the first place :/ |
| 22:14:27 | LinusN | i guess it defaults at 0... |
| 22:14:30 | preglow | doesn't appear to anyway |
| 22:14:34 | preglow | haha |
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| 22:14:41 | preglow | is address 0 a valid i2c address? |
| 22:14:53 | LinusN | preglow: possibly |
| 22:15:37 | LinusN | preglow: ah, i thought you meant the internal address of the i2c slave |
| 22:15:44 | LinusN | like the eeprom address |
| 22:15:46 | preglow | LinusN: i did |
| 22:15:56 | preglow | device address |
| 22:15:57 | pixelma | pondlife should come here and take part in the discussion... ;) |
| 22:16:20 | LinusN | so it tries to talk to device address 0???? |
| 22:16:28 | LinusN | odd indeed |
| 22:16:34 | preglow | LinusN: well, i wouldn't know, i can see no writes to the I2C_ADDR register |
| 22:16:45 | preglow | which is, as far as i can tell, what specifies the device address |
| 22:17:03 | LinusN | preglow: doesn't that specify the own device address when you are running as a slave? |
| 22:17:32 | preglow | hmm, wouldn't know |
| 22:17:39 | LinusN | i have yet to see an i2c controller that has a separate register for the target device address |
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| 22:19:26 | preglow | perhaps there is some other mechanism for setting the device addres |
| 22:19:27 | preglow | s |
| 22:19:32 | LinusN | why so? |
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| 22:19:37 | * | linuxstb_ notices that according to the (C), LinusN wrote i2c-pp.h in 2002 |
| 22:19:53 | LinusN | the first byte you send is the slave address and the r/w bit |
| 22:20:03 | LinusN | linuxstb_: weird |
| 22:21:38 | preglow | the header is wrong in tons of places |
| 22:21:54 | preglow | people just copypaste the header, then forget changing copyright |
| 22:22:11 | LinusN | we should change it when we spot it |
| 22:22:51 | * | linuxstb_ has just changed it |
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| 22:25:14 | preglow | hmm |
| 22:25:21 | preglow | i wonder if this emulator log is perhaps not completely accurate |
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| 22:25:56 | preglow | the first control register read i can see from the disassembly is a cache control register |
| 22:26:11 | preglow | the log says the first reg read is 0x70000000 |
| 22:26:35 | preglow | perhaps it's set to not report every register |
| 22:26:45 | LinusN | that is correct |
| 22:27:10 | preglow | according to ipl docs, 0x70000000 contains "PP50"... |
| 22:27:17 | preglow | i wonder why the bootloader reads it so many times, then |
| 22:27:45 | LinusN | USEC_TIMER, CPU_CTL, CPU_INT_STAT, PROC_ID are omitted according to toni |
| 22:28:08 | LinusN | what is PP50? |
| 22:28:13 | preglow | a string |
| 22:28:30 | preglow | 0x70000004 contains "20D", which concats to PP5020D |
| 22:28:43 | preglow | still doesn't explain why the bootloader apparently tries to read it so much |
| 22:29:10 | preglow | perhaps it checks for running in an emu and just reads garbage if it does... |
| 22:29:11 | Bagder | maybe it just does that as a delay or some kind of sync |
| 22:29:18 | preglow | perhaps |
| 22:32:08 | Nico_P | Bagder: I saw a few days ago that flyspray 0.9.9 had been released and seemed to have some pretty cool features... have you considered upgrading ? |
| 22:32:22 | Bagder | I'll poke on zagor for that |
| 22:33:10 | Nico_P | :) |
| 22:33:18 | Bagder | I think we run the debian packaged version |
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| 22:36:54 | etrask | So am I correct in understanding that battery life indicators for the iPod Video 5.5g is fairly inaccurate? |
| 22:37:10 | nls | yes |
| 22:37:22 | etrask | alrighty |
| 22:37:40 | etrask | just installed RockBox... I must say it's fantastic |
| 22:37:45 | etrask | you guys do good work |
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| 22:39:42 | * | preglow wants specs |
| 22:41:11 | etrask | ...from me? |
| 22:42:31 | preglow | heh, no |
| 22:42:34 | preglow | from portalplayer |
| 22:43:39 | Llorean | I'd love for portalplayer to have just responded to me at all. =/ |
| 22:43:47 | etrask | That's good, I know nothing about the innerworkings of RockBox |
| 22:43:57 | etrask | er... throw a space in there |
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| 22:47:28 | LinusN | pixelma: holding left is not a shortcut to the root, it is only that Left|Repeat works, and that will eventually take you to the root and stay there until you release Left |
| 22:47:56 | LinusN | and wirth dircache on, it is quite fast |
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| 22:48:30 | preglow | i guess left hold could be used as a shortcut for go to root in its own right |
| 22:48:30 | LinusN | but when i think of it, having a go-to-root on Left|Repeat sounds like a nice feature :-) |
| 22:48:35 | preglow | :) |
| 22:48:38 | LinusN | lol |
| 22:48:43 | preglow | duplicate ideas day |
| 22:48:47 | LinusN | indeed |
| 22:49:08 | preglow | hmm |
| 22:49:42 | preglow | left hold is already mapped to scrolling |
| 22:49:51 | Llorean | Hold Right could also be a shortcut somewhere, possibly. It _really_ shouldn't repeatedly go right at least, it makes it too easy to accidentally launch some file somewhere. |
| 22:49:51 | preglow | but i guess that doesn't matter too much |
| 22:49:58 | preglow | Llorean: it scrolls |
| 22:50:03 | Llorean | Ah, well that works. |
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| 22:50:32 | preglow | i'm still not that feature's biggest fan |
| 22:50:49 | preglow | but i guess i've gotten more used to it too |
| 22:50:53 | Llorean | I don't see much use for it, but I use tiny fonts. |
| 22:51:00 | preglow | i use the default one |
| 22:51:30 | Llorean | Yeah, that's considered tiny though, by the 'normal' standard. |
| 22:51:31 | LinusN | i use it once in a while |
| 22:52:33 | preglow | yeah, it happens |
| 22:52:58 | preglow | it's more that i don't like entering directories to be triggered from right depress instead of right press |
| 22:53:06 | preglow | but if i don't like that, i can always just use navi |
| 22:53:10 | pixelma | LinusN: but "holding" left should lead me to the root in the end without me having to release the button, right? |
| 22:53:16 | preglow | pixelma: yep |
| 22:53:22 | preglow | just tried it here, works fine |
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| 22:53:46 | pixelma | so that doesn't work on Ondio - I just put it wrong |
| 22:54:10 | preglow | then there's a keymap bug |
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| 23:01:38 | pixelma | Llorean: "holding right" has an even more important function on Ondio - it launches the file context menu |
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| 23:11:58 | LinusN | anyone here with an h300 that doesn't work in usb bootloader mode? |
| 23:12:05 | pondlife | Me |
| 23:12:10 | pondlife | It never ever works |
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| 23:12:21 | LinusN | care to do a test for me? |
| 23:12:25 | Llorean | pixelma: Ah, well, for the targets that have it as just navigation, but I didn't realize that holding it caused manual line scroll |
| 23:12:26 | pondlife | Yep |
| 23:12:29 | LinusN | hang on |
| 23:12:36 | nls | mine works about 9 out of 10 times :-) |
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| 23:13:19 | pondlife | Currently running an SVN bootloader and build from 2 days ago. |
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| 23:17:16 | * | preglow laments |
| 23:17:40 | preglow | i've gotta ask again, anyone know of any free (as in i don't care what kind of free) arm disassemblers for linux? |
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| 23:19:06 | pixelma | preglow: in the contrary - "holding left" for horizontally scrolling left wouldn't work in the root menu then? Wonder why no one has noticed yet... ;) |
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| 23:19:32 | nls | pixelma: because only 3 people ever used it? :-P |
| 23:19:49 | LinusN | pixelma: does left/right scrolling work in menus at all? |
| 23:20:20 | LinusN | i thought that was a browser thing |
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| 23:20:56 | pixelma | LinusN: don't know - on Ondio it's been made a combo because it interfered with the file context menu... |
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| 23:22:15 | preglow | it's a file browsers thing, afaik |
| 23:22:20 | pixelma | but I meant "holding left" in the file browser with the root menu patch - it's used for going to the root directory now |
| 23:23:45 | pixelma | not in the root menu itself... |
| 23:24:03 | * | pixelma apologises for not being clear this evenong |
| 23:24:10 | pixelma | evening too |
| 23:24:13 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 23:28:10 | petur | on h300, what would/could remote_button_hold() return if no remote is present? |
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| 23:29:25 | preglow | beer time |
| 23:29:37 | LinusN | petur: i guess it would return "hold" |
| 23:29:41 | petur | preglow: I already had lots :p |
| 23:29:48 | preglow | you live in belgium |
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| 23:30:27 | petur | LinusN: so it returns true? |
| 23:31:52 | joshua_ | preglow, arm-elf-objdump -D |
| 23:32:03 | preglow | joshua_: yes, that's my primary means of hair-loss right now |
| 23:32:05 | preglow | i want something else |
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| 23:32:16 | joshua_ | ah |
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| 23:32:23 | joshua_ | IDA is free-as-in-bittorrent... |
| 23:32:32 | LinusN | petur: the result of reading the hold switch is pretty much undefined, since you shouldn't read it without a remote |
| 23:32:37 | preglow | joshua_: but not for linux |
| 23:32:43 | joshua_ | at one point I wrote a hyperlinker that parsed objdump output. I don't know where it lives now. |
| 23:32:49 | joshua_ | it runs fine in WINE |
| 23:32:55 | preglow | joshua_: amd64 |
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| 23:33:55 | joshua_ | ew. I haven't tried it on my amd64 machine. I usually run it on my 32-bit intel laptop. depending on distribution, setting up a chroot may be easy or horribly painful |
| 23:34:07 | joshua_ | IDA is far and beyond the best stuff out there, though |
| 23:34:16 | preglow | ida pro is the shiznit, yes |
| 23:34:54 | joshua_ | It may be your best bet to set up a chroot and buy a copy of IDA. |
| 23:35:02 | nls | preglow: run it on windows 32bit in a virtual machine :-P |
| 23:35:55 | Llorean | You could also try it in ReactOS |
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| 23:36:16 | Llorean | I mean, that'd require a VM as well, but it wouldn't require actually using windows. |
| 23:36:23 | preglow | ah, right |
| 23:36:38 | joshua_ | by the way, I was pissing around with LCD support on iPod in the context of my own OS |
| 23:37:12 | linuxstb_ | Which ipod? |
| 23:37:18 | joshua_ | Color |
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| 23:37:34 | joshua_ | I was displeased with how slow the LCD was, so I was playing around with fast write modes to make it faster |
| 23:37:45 | linuxstb_ | Any luck? |
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| 23:37:52 | joshua_ | I didn't manage to engage Fast Write Mode on the LCDC, but I did find that one of those "wait for completion" was unnecessary |
| 23:37:55 | * | linuxstb_ also has a Color |
| 23:37:58 | joshua_ | perhaps "wait for FIFO empty"? |
| 23:38:16 | * | joshua_ git co ipod |
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| 23:40:08 | joshua_ | gah, this isn't my primary dev box |
| 23:40:13 | * | linuxstb_ hopes it was the wait inside the main blitting loop |
| 23:40:24 | joshua_ | it is the wait inside the main blitting loop |
| 23:40:41 | linuxstb_ | Cool. Did it speed up things much? |
| 23:40:50 | joshua_ | it will make paints a lot less visible; I estimate about 12fps out of it now if you do fullscreen updates |
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| 23:40:57 | joshua_ | compared to 4fps or so previously |
| 23:41:10 | joshua_ | it was a very visible difference |
| 23:41:17 | linuxstb_ | Rockbox gets a lot more than 4fps... |
| 23:41:32 | hcs | for him, I assume |
| 23:42:03 | joshua_ | my test was doing full screen paints |
| 23:42:15 | joshua_ | full screen pants |
| 23:42:29 | joshua_ | tearing, and the works |
| 23:42:46 | linuxstb_ | Ah, OK. Just calling lcd_update() (no updating of the framebuffer) gives 48.5fps in Rockbox with the CPU at 75MHz. |
| 23:43:02 | joshua_ | what does lcd_update() do? |
| 23:43:15 | linuxstb_ | Blits the framebuffer in SDRAM to the LCD hardware. |
| 23:43:21 | joshua_ | is 75MHz the boot speed? |
| 23:43:28 | linuxstb_ | No. |
| 23:43:38 | linuxstb_ | Boot speed is 24MHz IIRC. |
| 23:44:01 | joshua_ | I got a fairly significant boost at 24MHz. I hope it does not blow things up at 75MHz. |
| 23:45:20 | joshua_ | while ((ADDRL(0x70008a20) & 0x1000000) == 0); was what I whacked |
| 23:45:40 | joshua_ | any idea what the other bits in the register mean? |
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| 23:47:12 | joshua_ | http://joshuawise.com/lcd.c is what I have. you can see my bitbanging experiment there. |
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| 23:47:25 | joshua_ | (bypassing whatever "magic hardware" that was.) |
| 23:47:26 | RogerBacon | anyone have read the zune-linux guy's interview ? |
| 23:47:28 | preglow | i really hope they've just used a poor c compiler for this bootloader |
| 23:47:41 | preglow | loads of loading of values that just get overwritten at once and stuff like that |
| 23:47:54 | joshua_ | ARM is so nice and tidy to read when written by a human |
| 23:47:58 | joshua_ | and a hellhouse to read when written by a compielr |
| 23:47:59 | preglow | indeed |
| 23:48:00 | preglow | this isn't |
| 23:48:48 | joshua_ | linuxstb_, btw, the bitbanging performed about the same as using whatever magic hardware loaded things into memory when the wait loop was in place. |
| 23:48:50 | preglow | i wonder what i2c status bit 0x10 is |
| 23:48:56 | preglow | no, 0x40 |
| 23:49:16 | preglow | turns out it's the busy flag |
| 23:49:16 | floam | are the 5G ipods getting any help drawing from the broadcom chip in rockbox currently? |
| 23:49:19 | * | preglow goes to get rope |
| 23:49:22 | Mikachu | floam: no |
| 23:49:37 | linuxstb_ | joshua_: Removing that wait in the loop just displays garbage on the screen for me, and Rockbox freezes... |
| 23:49:42 | preglow | well, the broadcom chip is what is doing the drawing, actually |
| 23:49:51 | preglow | as in it's what's talking to the lcd |
| 23:49:56 | floam | Mikachu: well fix it!!1 |
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| 23:50:01 | preglow | but it doesn't really help much, since we have to wait for it to do so |
| 23:50:02 | joshua_ | linuxstb_, darn. how about checking every 12th pixel? |
| 23:50:21 | linuxstb_ | Why every 12th? Is that just a random number? |
| 23:50:55 | floam | Mikachu: do you work on this or just use rockbox or what? |
| 23:50:56 | joshua_ | and try that other magic write I dumped in there, which enables Fast Write Mode. I'm not sure if that actually does anything the way the LCDC is configured, though |
| 23:51:01 | floam | and have you ported OB yet |
| 23:51:01 | Mikachu | floam: or what |
| 23:51:10 | joshua_ | linuxstb_, I dunno, if a fifo is 16 long, 12 sounds like a good number. |
| 23:51:29 | joshua_ | educated random number. |
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| 23:52:40 | floam | Mikachu: has xor come back yet? |
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| 23:53:23 | floam | Mikachu: I pretended to stop being in that channel in hopes of luring him back, I've been using another nick |
| 23:53:35 | floam | Mikachu: mwilson is just my other client |
| 23:54:08 | Llorean | floam: This is an on topic channel, and that doesn't sound terribly Rockbox related. It sounds more like something suited for PM anyway. |
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| 23:56:10 | dan_a | Is there anyone around with a HWCODEC target? |
| 23:57:07 | LinusN | i have one |
| 23:57:54 | dan_a | Could you just check that it still works if you apply the last patch from FS #5755? Nothing ought to break, but I want to be sure... |
| 23:58:17 | linuxstb_ | Does that mean you're hoping to commit it now? |
| 23:58:29 | * | preglow does the commiting time jig |
| 23:58:55 | dan_a | linuxstb_: I am. The only bug left I'm aware of is the COP getting a data abort on the G3 |
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