| 00:00:38 | pixelma | but that's completely personal preference - for some reason iCatcher seems more mature to me |
| 00:00:55 | pixelma | (in development) |
| 00:01:35 | markun | pixelma: maybe it also depends on the target, I only tried it on my Gigabeat |
| 00:01:46 | bluebrother | Rockboxed doesn't use all features available −− it's 1bit on h100 |
| 00:02:08 | bluebrother | oh, it's missing a rwps |
| 00:02:35 | pixelma | markun: yes, probably. I've never tried but I didn't like the Archos screenshots in the wiki much |
| 00:02:49 | markun | I think I heard something about Rockboxed update in the tracker, let me check |
| 00:03:08 | markun | hm, nothing |
| 00:03:11 | dionoea | any idea if it's normal that i get "/home/dionoea/rockbox/toolchain/sh1/lib/gcc/sh-elf/4.0.3/../../../../sh-elf/bin/ld: region FLASH is full (/home/dionoea/rockbox/build/archos/apps/rombox.elf section .rodata)" when compiling for archos recorder ? |
| 00:03:22 | * | bluebrother prefers iCatcher because of the smaller font and uses a completely one for daily use |
| 00:03:35 | pixelma | markun: the icons become too big and important there |
| 00:03:58 | pixelma | dionoea: check the build table |
| 00:03:59 | dionoea | i'll see if i can disable building rombox since i can't even use it |
| 00:04:21 | bluebrother | icons have become important? Oh. |
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| 00:04:53 | pixelma | bluebrother: I meant the Rockboxed theme for Archos |
| 00:04:55 | dionoea | hum, same error on the build table |
| 00:05:05 | pixelma | rombox is broken for a while now... |
| 00:05:20 | dionoea | well i don't use it but i'd like to compile the other stuff too :) |
| 00:05:39 | bluebrother | the icons are nice, but with bigger fonts they look quite strange. |
| 00:05:47 | Aaron | Hey |
| 00:05:55 | bluebrother | Ho |
| 00:06:19 | nls | bluebrother: We have been using the default settings for screenshots, and we should, but the default should change IMO :-) |
| 00:06:30 | pixelma | bluebrother: on Archos there's a big dark block on the bottom with the icons - I like that iCatcher is "lighter" |
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| 00:06:57 | Aaron | Do all Archos jukebox's and recorders have the same size screen? |
| 00:07:16 | pixelma | almost - only the Player is different |
| 00:07:19 | Aaron | In all the pictures I've been seeing of Archos JBR's the screen looks taller than the WPS makes them seem |
| 00:07:22 | bluebrother | pixelma: the black block is also present on h100. I don't too like that |
| 00:07:45 | pixelma | Aaron: of all rockboxable Archos of course |
| 00:08:15 | barrywardell | i think the idea was to continue developing rockboxed to a state where everyone liked it and then switch to that as the default |
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| 00:08:36 | Aaron | I'm planning on winning this Ebay auction for an Archos FM Recorder but I want to get a bigger hd for it but I'm not sure which brand to go with |
| 00:08:36 | barrywardell | although I doubt we'll ever reach a stage where everyone likes it :P |
| 00:08:37 | pixelma | Aaron: that's because the actual display has rectangular pixels - something that you cannot simulate in the screenshots |
| 00:09:14 | bluebrother | hmm. Maybe I find some motivation to play around with it ;-) |
| 00:09:16 | pixelma | width = 80% of height |
| 00:09:17 | Aaron | So is the WPS going to look worse than it does on the WPS gallery I'm guessing because of the stretching? |
| 00:10:06 | pixelma | they'll look different of course. If it's better or worse you can only see on target |
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| 00:10:32 | Aaron | Do you have an reccomendations for a HD replacement? I see Toshiba makes a 200gig hd but I'm not sure if its compatible or not |
| 00:10:40 | pixelma | when I made graphics for the screen I try take that into account |
| 00:11:47 | scorche | Aaron: keep in mind that for HD above 137 gigs, you need to compile your own build and you will have to take the HD out of the device in order to access those sectors |
| 00:11:53 | pixelma | Aaron: I don't know much about the HD-based ones - but maybe this wiki article can be interesting http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=BigDisk |
| 00:12:18 | Aaron | Yeah I've seen that about having to have 2 partitions to store your music |
| 00:12:26 | scorche | and keep in mind that the lower the RPM, the better in a portable device |
| 00:12:49 | Aaron | will I notice any performance decrease between 4200 vs. 5400 rpm? |
| 00:12:50 | dionoea | anyone know if there is a simple way to disable building rombox when building for the recorder target ? |
| 00:12:58 | scorche | you wont |
| 00:13:07 | scorche | battery life is all that matters really |
| 00:13:41 | scorche | dionoea: why do you need to?....it should just spout an error, but it is not a fatal one |
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| 00:13:53 | dionoea | scorche: it stops the build |
| 00:13:56 | pixelma | dionoea: I think you can simply ignore the warnings - you'll have the build just not rombox |
| 00:14:04 | scorche | it shouldnt stop it... |
| 00:14:09 | dionoea | or maybe it was just the last thing that it's supposed to build ? |
| 00:14:15 | scorche | it only stops the building or rombox |
| 00:14:16 | Aaron | Do SATA hd work in the Archos? |
| 00:14:19 | scorche | no |
| 00:14:32 | bluebrother | can't you just disable tagcache with a define? |
| 00:14:37 | Aaron | I need an IDE right? |
| 00:14:48 | bluebrother | you need a 2.5" IDE drive |
| 00:14:50 | scorche | ATA, yes |
| 00:15:08 | scorche | they call it too many names...ide, ata, pata, etc =/ |
| 00:15:33 | scorche | Aaron: i would look at power consumption charts and see where that puts drives |
| 00:15:35 | pixelma | dionoea: yes that's the last thing it needs |
| 00:15:42 | pixelma | (would need) |
| 00:16:03 | Aaron | So I want an ATA100 as opposed to the SATA 150 |
| 00:16:08 | dionoea | I'll try installing it see if it works |
| 00:16:21 | scorche | as we said...SATA will not work.. |
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| 00:16:43 | Aaron | So I'll compare the Hitachi to WD to Seagate and see which has the best power consumption |
| 00:16:43 | * | bluebrother just looks at Rockboxed on the nano sim and understands the idea behind it ... yellow :) |
| 00:17:01 | hcs | yellow is an idea? |
| 00:17:13 | pixelma | dionoea: it will, the builds are just missing the rombox.ucl |
| 00:17:16 | bluebrother | no, it's black on some yellow-orangish |
| 00:17:27 | scorche | Aaron: well, there are other factors, but power consumption is a big one |
| 00:17:27 | bluebrother | the logo colors |
| 00:17:49 | bluebrother | ... but some of those icon border stuff could get emulated for the 2bpp targets |
| 00:17:51 | dionoea | pixelma: hum, i don't have ajbrec.ajz here ... is there some special option to tell make not to halt on errors ? |
| 00:18:15 | Aaron | I don't get why RPM has anything to do with it. Isn't it either the HD is faster and consumes more, or slower and consumes less over a longer perio of time? |
| 00:18:22 | bluebrother | IMO Rockboxed looks quite poor on greyscale LCDs |
| 00:18:37 | bluebrother | dionoea: make -k ? |
| 00:18:38 | dionoea | runing "make bin" fixed it |
| 00:18:39 | pixelma | dionoea: did you "make zip" - maybe you need to do that again in the end |
| 00:18:55 | scorche | Aaron: the speed will not matter on that device for that purpose and only serves to suck up more juice |
| 00:19:17 | Aaron | What about ATA6 verse ATA100? |
| 00:19:23 | barrywardell | bluebrother: yeah, looking at the screenshots I have to agree. but it looks nice on colour LCD |
| 00:19:40 | bluebrother | ATA6 is a protocoll, while ATA100 describes the speed |
| 00:19:58 | bluebrother | barrywardell: I agree after looking on it with a color sim ;-) |
| 00:22:51 | bluebrother | *grrr* |
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| 00:23:04 | bluebrother | how can I enter a hidden folder using the GTK file chooser? |
| 00:23:15 | markun | barrywardell, bluebrother: maybe you have some suggestions on how to improve it on the grayscale targets? |
| 00:23:32 | bluebrother | markun: sure. Use greyscales ;-) |
| 00:23:42 | barrywardell | i think it's mainly the bar on the bottom |
| 00:23:46 | * | linuxstb would vote for iCatcher over Rockboxed as the default theme |
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| 00:23:59 | bluebrother | looks like the 2bpp targets simply use b/w images. I want to try make it grey instead of black |
| 00:24:17 | pixelma | the Rockboxed theme has a nice idea with the references to the Rockbox logo (some nice details) but for non-colour screens seems to not work quite right |
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| 00:24:47 | linuxstb | I just think the orange/black don't work full-screen. |
| 00:24:59 | * | |Rincewind| just loaded rockboxed and tries to figure out what the bottom of the screen could mean |
| 00:25:00 | linuxstb | Nice as a logo, but not everywhere. |
| 00:25:04 | * | pixelma agrees with linuxstb |
| 00:25:13 | Dwyloc | It maybe just me but I can’t seem to find the “Resume On Startup” option in the playback menu any longer on my ipod nano. Has it been moved as part of the new menu system or root menu patch? |
| 00:25:37 | |Rincewind| | Dwyloc: look at general settings -> system |
| 00:25:45 | scorche | another person with those apostrophes.... |
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| 00:26:01 | barrywardell | i think it could still do with some work. there's too much orange |
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| 00:26:04 | pixelma | scorche: they are even worse here |
| 00:26:10 | barrywardell | but with a bit more tweaking it could look nice |
| 00:26:15 | scorche | pixelma: indeed |
| 00:26:15 | DerPapst | linuxstb: can you do me a favour? can you compile this for OSX (universal binary) and make a dmg file? http://web.inf.tu-dresden.de/~s5242253/iPL/ipodpatcher-iPL.rar |
| 00:26:42 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Only if you give me a .zip instead of a .rar |
| 00:26:53 | DerPapst | ok |
| 00:26:55 | linuxstb | (or tgz) |
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| 00:27:16 | bluebrother | aaah. Muuuch better with a grey bar. |
| 00:27:47 | Dwyloc | I guess the manual must be out of date:( |
| 00:27:54 | DerPapst | linuxstb: http://web.inf.tu-dresden.de/~s5242253/iPL/ipodpatcher-iPL.zip :) |
| 00:28:09 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Much better :) |
| 00:28:11 | bluebrother | Dwyloc: the manual is out of date since the menu rework |
| 00:28:22 | bluebrother | just set the startup screen to playback now. |
| 00:28:30 | pixelma | barrywardell: see that's what I mean with mature - iCatcher (ok to me) looks quite nice on all screens at the moment |
| 00:28:40 | bluebrother | which makes a specific resume setting superfluous |
| 00:29:00 | linuxstb | The one thing I don't like about iCatcher is that it's greyscale. A small amount of colour would be nice. |
| 00:29:02 | pixelma | whereas Rockboxed doesn't (especially on mine) |
| 00:29:31 | nls | Dwyloc: set start screen to resume playback even, and thanks for reminding me to kill the old resume option in the manual :-) |
| 00:29:48 | * | linuxstb posted a patch to make iCatcher the default theme on all targets |
| 00:29:50 | |Rincewind| | I think that iCatcher is a little bit complicated |
| 00:30:15 | |Rincewind| | but certainly better than the current default theme |
| 00:30:23 | barrywardell | is iCatcher available on all targets? |
| 00:30:23 | Llorean | |Rincewind|: It's better than rockbox_default, and not too many themes have been submitted the proper way that are all-platform. |
| 00:30:25 | pixelma | that's also true with the animation |
| 00:30:44 | Dwyloc | Sorry I still cant see the option. It dose not seem to be any ware obvious. |
| 00:30:53 | pixelma | barrywardell: yes - only not for the Player ;) |
| 00:31:04 | Llorean | Dwyloc: It's the option to set your startup screen. |
| 00:31:05 | * | markun still votes for Rockboxed |
| 00:31:36 | |Rincewind| | Dwyloc: Menu -> Settings -> general settings -> system -> start screen -> Resume Playback |
| 00:31:41 | barrywardell | i quite like both, but lean slightly towards Rockboxed (with some tweaks) |
| 00:31:51 | Llorean | Rockboxed is too orange for me. |
| 00:31:51 | linuxstb | markun: Even in it's current state? |
| 00:31:58 | barrywardell | either is better than what's there at the moment |
| 00:32:04 | markun | but anythning other than the current default look will probably be an improvement on most targets |
| 00:32:11 | Llorean | I would _much_ rather see it inversed (black backdrop, orange text) |
| 00:32:17 | markun | linuxstb: yes, I use it in it's current state |
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| 00:32:28 | |Rincewind| | rockbox looks awful on black and white. The only positive is the big font |
| 00:32:33 | |Rincewind| | *rockboxed I mean |
| 00:32:40 | * | pixelma still doesn't like the Archos variants - there even the defaul looks better |
| 00:32:47 | pixelma | *variant |
| 00:33:01 | barrywardell | Llorean: that would be interesting |
| 00:33:13 | Llorean | barrywardell: See the Cabbie theme in the Gigabeat WPS Gallery. |
| 00:33:23 | barrywardell | pixelma: but I assume rockbox_default was made with the Archos in mind |
| 00:33:42 | Dwyloc | OK Ive have got it thanks. But putting it under Start Screen dose not make that much sence to me. |
| 00:34:18 | Llorean | Dwyloc: Well, we're sorry to hear that, but it makes perfect sense to us since all it is now is part of the choice of which screen the player will start on when you turn it on. |
| 00:34:27 | pixelma | yes - but why shouldn't Rockboxed be able to do the same. iCatcher has proven that it is possible |
| 00:34:33 | Dwyloc | I would have expected the screen name to be WPS or something. |
| 00:34:44 | |Rincewind| | well, it is the screen that is there when rockbox starts. Should be called "WPS" for consitency, but then nobody understands it. |
| 00:35:15 | Dwyloc | Its just that the menu is called start screen |
| 00:35:24 | barrywardell | Llorean: i quite like that |
| 00:35:58 | barrywardell | the gigabeat has quite a few nice themes |
| 00:36:13 | |Rincewind| | Dwyloc: do you have a better suggestion? |
| 00:37:14 | Aaron | This Seagate HD I'm looking at says ATA-6? Is that more ideal than ATA-100? |
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| 00:37:41 | nls | Aaron: as someone said before they are 2 differnt things |
| 00:37:42 | scorche | <bluebrother> ATA6 is a protocoll, while ATA100 describes the speed |
| 00:37:44 | Llorean | barrywardell: That one fits my personal mostly minimalist needs, and I think a theme on a black backdrop looks very sleek for the color targets. |
| 00:37:45 | pixelma | btw... the Rockboxed theme looks broken atm on Archos |
| 00:38:17 | Dwyloc | Dose "WPS (Resume Playback)" sound any better to other people? |
| 00:38:32 | Llorean | Dwyloc: Where? |
| 00:38:39 | Aaron | Sorry, but ATA-6 will work for the Archos |
| 00:38:42 | Dwyloc | At least it would feel more consistant to me. |
| 00:39:02 | Dwyloc | still under the startup screen. |
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| 00:39:10 | scorche | Aaron: ata protocols are designed to be backwards-compatible |
| 00:39:28 | Dwyloc | I think it would make sence as long as the manual is updated. |
| 00:39:35 | Llorean | Dwyloc: How does "Resume Playback" fail to describe what you want it to do at start up, though? |
| 00:39:45 | Aaron | Okay so I'll get this one. Should I care about a 12.5 ms Seek time compared to an 11 ms on another? |
| 00:40:01 | bluebrother | ok, what do you think? http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/dump_0020.bmp |
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| 00:40:19 | scorche | Llorean: it is more an issue of how in that screen, you are choosing a screen...not what to do on startup |
| 00:40:37 | |Rincewind| | the 12.5 ms or 11 ms seek time is optimistic anyway, I don't think you would notice a difference |
| 00:40:51 | Dwyloc | It more that if feels inconsistant and some who looks wrong to me. |
| 00:40:53 | Llorean | scorche: Indeed. I think the fact that the option is presented as a screen choice, rather than action choice, is more the problem to me. |
| 00:41:06 | scorche | Aaron: honestly, no offense meant, but do you have to nitpick on every single spec? ;) |
| 00:41:38 | Llorean | Dwyloc: Putting both WPS and (Resume Playback) is just as inconsistent because then it is the only option with a subtext, and an unnecessary one. |
| 00:42:16 | Aaron | I just want to make sure I'm getting the appropriate HD. This Seagate is more than others but its supposed to be extremely quiet and reliable |
| 00:42:23 | |Rincewind| | bluebrother: looks certainly better |
| 00:42:36 | Aaron | I'm going to order it and get a 2.5 to 3.5 adapter since I know I have to put music I'm not going to touch on the second partition of the drive |
| 00:42:47 | barrywardell | bluebrother: looks like an improvement, but hard to tell when it's not on the device |
| 00:43:05 | Llorean | Dwyloc: Replacing it with just "While Playing Screen" would be far more of a consistency gain, if it comes to that. |
| 00:43:26 | scorche | Llorean: changing it to an action would be better imo...browse tree, radio, browse database, resume playback, record, etc |
| 00:43:49 | Llorean | scorche: Exactly. "Start Action" and then some actions. Sounds more affirmative to me anyway. |
| 00:43:59 | bluebrother | anyway, I think it's a good start. |
| 00:44:25 | Dwyloc | Llorean: I also think it would be nice to still have the resume playback option in the playback menu and just change the playback screen option when ever its selected, but While Playing screen dose sound alot better to me. |
| 00:44:31 | scorche | perhaps i should make a patch to do that |
| 00:44:37 | bluebrother | I will try playing around with it over the weekend. Now as I already opened those 20+ files in Gimp ;-) |
| 00:44:53 | Llorean | Dwyloc: That isn't the "Playback Menu" |
| 00:45:11 | scorche | Dwyloc: duplicate entries, arent good |
| 00:45:30 | Llorean | scorche: By the way, does "Resume Playback" to you seem at all like it should resume FM listening? There's a complaint about it not doing so on Flyspray, but the word playback itself to me means playing back of something, ie prerecorded audio. |
| 00:45:40 | |Rincewind| | and it is always a good thing to remove a setting from the "playback menu" it is too crowded anyway |
| 00:45:48 | Llorean | scorche: I think he means "Leave it in the root menu as is, don't change it to say WPS there" |
| 00:45:58 | scorche | Llorean: playback shouldnt have anything to do with radio imo |
| 00:46:00 | pixelma | bluebrother: do you plan to commit something wrt Rockboxed |
| 00:46:02 | pixelma | ? |
| 00:46:12 | scorche | Llorean: in other words, i am in agreement |
| 00:46:41 | Llorean | scorche: Okay, good to hear. Sometimes I'm very anal about word meanings, but the general consensus is 'eh, it could mean that in a vague enough sense' |
| 00:47:06 | bluebrother | pixelma: depends on what I get. I haven't descrambled the wps code yet, so I don't know if I missed some bitmaps or changed some wrong ones |
| 00:47:08 | scorche | Llorean: i am very literal as well ;) |
| 00:47:20 | bluebrother | just wanted to get a first impression. And that tells me to try harder ;-) |
| 00:48:01 | pixelma | bluebrother: ok - I got at least one change in mind for the Archos (now that I looked on it) - maybe it would be good not to make too many commits out of it |
| 00:49:46 | barrywardell | Llorean: there was talk about resume should bring you to the fm screen here earlier |
| 00:50:03 | barrywardell | it was suggested to the guy to file a bug report |
| 00:50:32 | scorche | you dont "playback" the radio though |
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| 00:52:04 | barrywardell | no, but that's more a matter of what the menu item is called rather than what it should do |
| 00:52:26 | Llorean | barrywardell: Well, not according to the bug report he posted |
| 00:52:30 | Aaron | Thanks for the help with the HD |
| 00:52:38 | barrywardell | i haven't seen the bugreport |
| 00:52:47 | barrywardell | i'm just going on what was said earlier |
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| 00:52:58 | Dwyloc | On the toppic of the playback menu I also feel that "ID3 Tag Priority" and "Replaygain" don't belong there. |
| 00:53:18 | scorche | when you enter the radio screen, does it go to the last frequency it was at last? |
| 00:53:20 | Llorean | Besides, it wouldn't be a 'bug' if it's a case of the wrong text being there, it would be a feature request. |
| 00:53:27 | pixelma | scorche: yes |
| 00:53:50 | Llorean | Dwyloc: Both of those are options _only_ relevant to playback of files, so make sense there. |
| 00:53:57 | Llorean | Dwyloc: They're both dependent upon metadata |
| 00:54:09 | scorche | then why does it matter at all?...resume playback will resume playback of files....if you set to radio, it will "resume" anyway |
| 00:54:16 | Llorean | Dwyloc: That being said, some of us feel that at least Replaygain belongs elsewhere, and the menus are a topic of heavy debate. |
| 00:54:20 | |Rincewind| | what do you think of this WPS? http://almost-blue.de/xwars/screen.bmp This is my personal wps, do you think it is worth uploading? |
| 00:54:34 | Dwyloc | I think that ID3 Tag Priority feels more like a database view option. |
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| 00:54:59 | scorche | Dwyloc: it doesnt have much to do with database |
| 00:55:09 | Llorean | Dwyloc: It doesn't only affect the database, and is useful even for uses who don't even use it. It would be silly to imply that it was only useful for the database. |
| 00:55:12 | scorche | Dwyloc: it refers to more what the info on the WPS is |
| 00:55:36 | linuxstb | DerPapst: I think you should modify the version string for your ipodpatcher to distinguish it from the original, and also to say which version of loader2 you've embedded. |
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| 00:56:42 | Dwyloc | Llorean: OK it just looks a bit out of place with most of the other options |
| 00:56:44 | DerPapst | linuxstb: ok |
| 00:56:53 | scorche | it really should be startup action rather than startup screen |
| 00:57:22 | DerPapst | linuxstb: can you change it to #define VERSION "0.8 with iPL Loader 2.5d6 SVN-1409" |
| 00:57:25 | bluebrother | scorche: sounds good |
| 00:57:42 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Sure. |
| 00:57:51 | DerPapst | linuxstb: thanks :) |
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| 00:58:28 | Dwyloc | Scorche: yes I thimk that makes more sence. |
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| 01:01:54 | pixelma | bluebrother: when you commit something could you please remove the additional spaces in front and at the end of the lines with artist, song, album, genre in the Archos version - these make the lines start scrolling too easily and when they do it looks ugly |
| 01:02:43 | Llorean | Why are there extra spaces? |
| 01:03:21 | pixelma | I guess he wanted to have some spacing - makes sense on the colour screens but not on greyscale or mono |
| 01:04:04 | Llorean | I thought they were aligned center? |
| 01:04:18 | markun | 23:15 < moll> Or anybody with a DAP with fm? |
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| 01:04:49 | pixelma | yes they are - maybe because of the "ends" in bidirectional scrolling (wild guess though) |
| 01:05:03 | Dwyloc | Scorche: would it also make more sence to move the "startup action" menu to the up one level to the "General Setting" menu rather than the system menu? |
| 01:05:27 | markun | sorry, random copy pasting from my touchpad.. |
| 01:05:52 | Llorean | Dwyloc: It would make more sense to move all the "General Settings" up one level, and then leave the startup in System where it makes sense. |
| 01:05:53 | Dwyloc | Scorche: as all the other options in the systems menu relate to hardware function |
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| 01:08:02 | |Rincewind| | Dwyloc: the whole settings menus will get reworked soon. |
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| 01:09:56 | pixelma | the battery level icons (or at least some of them) are broken too in the Rockboxed-Archos-version... |
| 01:09:59 | Dwyloc | Rincewind: I was guessing as much so I thought I would try and make some suggestion |
| 01:10:01 | bluebrother | pixelma: won't commit anything tonight. If you don't do it before I'll try to remember tomorrow ;-) |
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| 01:11:20 | * | nls commits large manual update, guesses we'll see if it broke tomorrow. |
| 01:11:21 | |Rincewind| | Dwyloc: keep an eye on the wiki, suggestions for a new menu layout will be discussed there |
| 01:11:24 | pixelma | bluebrother: seems like I have to look a bit more into it than I wanted... could also post in his forum thread ;) |
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| 01:12:36 | bluebrother | he has a forum thread? Don't follow the wps things too much |
| 01:12:50 | bluebrother | last screenshot for tonight, gotta get some sleep now: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/dump_0022.bmp |
| 01:13:05 | pixelma | bluebrother: I think he even started one for each screen resolution |
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| 01:13:28 | bluebrother | adding a small outline to the progress bar might be a nice addition too. But not today ;-) |
| 01:13:31 | pixelma | (it's been a while ago) |
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| 01:14:30 | pixelma | nice progressbar :) |
| 01:14:35 | |Rincewind| | an outline how far the progress bar goes is a good idea |
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| 01:14:48 | ampleyfly | hmm.. my ipod mini 2nd gen isn't charged, but when I try to load it via usb it just shows a large battery, until windows says that a usb device has malfunctioned.. any ideas on what to do? |
| 01:14:51 | bluebrother | Tried to mimic the aqua-like look of the color version |
| 01:14:56 | ampleyfly | umm, charge it* |
| 01:15:08 | bluebrother | but I find it a bit irritating that there is nothing if the track starts playing |
| 01:15:10 | |Rincewind| | personally, I would remove the genre string and put the peakmeters in |
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| 01:15:54 | ampleyfly | oh, it reboots to, then freezes at the splash screen with the text (translation) "reading..." |
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| 01:15:57 | ampleyfly | too* |
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| 01:17:14 | bluebrother | hmm, the light grey is to light on the target. |
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| 01:18:59 | bluebrother | but it's definitely way better than before on the h100 |
| 01:19:01 | Dwyloc | Rincewind: OK I will keep an eye on the Wiki. Can I also request wiki write access while I am here my name is DouglasValentine. |
| 01:19:10 | bluebrother | anyway, more work for tomorrow. |
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| 01:19:28 | |Rincewind| | Dwyloc: you can register yourself |
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| 01:20:12 | Dwyloc | I has under the empresion that I had to request write access after registering. |
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| 01:20:49 | linuxstb__ | Dwyloc: You do. I'll add you... |
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| 01:20:54 | bluebrother | Dwyloc: added |
| 01:21:06 | linuxstb | OK, I'm too slow. |
| 01:21:39 | |Rincewind| | Must be new then, when I registered I could write right away |
| 01:21:45 | Dwyloc | linuxstb__: thanks |
| 01:21:53 | pixelma | bluebrother: this is how Rockboxed looks on target atm (SVN version) http://home.infocity.de/m.arnold/temp/Rockboxed_Archos.jpg |
| 01:21:54 | linuxstb | It's a relatively new, anti-spam prevention. |
| 01:21:57 | bluebrother | |Rincewind|: it has been this since quite a while |
| 01:22:01 | linuxstb | Dwyloc: Thank bluebrother - he did it. |
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| 01:22:27 | bluebrother | pixelma: uh. Not too nice. |
| 01:22:35 | |Rincewind| | shame on the spammers |
| 01:22:48 | Dwyloc | As I am dyslexic I promise to use a spell checker before makeing changes :) |
| 01:23:06 | bluebrother | that black bar is irritating. But the ondio can only do 1bpp, right? |
| 01:23:21 | linuxstb | I think generally the status bar is too overpowering in Rockboxed. |
| 01:23:26 | pixelma | yes |
| 01:23:27 | linuxstb | (even on the larger LCDs) |
| 01:24:02 | ampleyfly | hey, anyone feel like helping me with my ipod charging problem? |
| 01:24:03 | bluebrother | hmm. I think it's quite big but still ok on h100 |
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| 01:24:11 | ampleyfly | or where I should ask for help otherwise? |
| 01:24:23 | bluebrother | but in all black it's too hard |
| 01:24:36 | pixelma | and atm the battery level icon doesn't show up - it's been there before when the battery was more charged |
| 01:24:45 | linuxstb | ampleyfly: I'm not sure what your problem is. How long have you left it connected and charging? |
| 01:24:54 | Llorean | ampleyfly: So far it sounds like your problem is happening in the Apple disk mode. |
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| 01:25:30 | bluebrother | ok, out for sleep now. cu |
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| 01:25:51 | ampleyfly | well, it starts by showing a large battery icon (not any animation, though), reboots after a while then shows the splash screen with the text "reading..." |
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| 01:26:05 | ampleyfly | and windows reports that it has malfunctioned. |
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| 01:27:19 | linuxstb | amplefly: Can you start the Apple firmware, or force your ipod into disk mode? |
| 01:28:05 | ampleyfly | if I start it with hold, it reboots after showing "booting original firmware..." |
| 01:28:19 | ampleyfly | loading* |
| 01:28:44 | ampleyfly | well, it shows "Loading original firmwa", but I guess that isn't really important. |
| 01:29:43 | linuxstb | Yes, that's a known problem on the mini - you needed to use the older install instructions when you installed. |
| 01:29:47 | linuxstb | What about disk mode? |
| 01:30:06 | ampleyfly | what and how? =) |
| 01:30:16 | linuxstb | http://www.google.com/search?q=ipod+disk+mode |
| 01:31:32 | ampleyfly | my isp is having troubles at the moment aswell :/ |
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| 01:31:36 | ampleyfly | taking a while |
| 01:31:52 | linuxstb | Simply put, reset with MENU+SELECT, then immediately press and hold SELECT+PLAY |
| 01:32:20 | ampleyfly | ah |
| 01:32:24 | ampleyfly | thank you =) |
| 01:32:54 | ampleyfly | hmm, I thought I read the installation instructions pretty carefully, but I guess something went wrong :/ |
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| 01:38:07 | ampleyfly | linuxstb: are the installation instructions for the mini incorrect? |
| 01:39:15 | pixelma | ampleyfly: which instructions are you following? |
| 01:39:35 | ampleyfly | pixelma: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodmini2g/rockbox-build.html I guess |
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| 01:42:10 | DerPapst | ampleyfly: you have to use the old instructions and bootlaoder |
| 01:42:31 | DerPapst | which os are you using? |
| 01:42:38 | pixelma | don't know if the manual reflects the problem with the minis ATM - afaics these are better: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=IpodInstallation |
| 01:42:46 | ampleyfly | DerPapst: windows xp, sp2 |
| 01:42:56 | DerPapst | then they sould work: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 01:43:14 | pixelma | heh |
| 01:43:26 | DerPapst | heh.. same link :P |
| 01:43:30 | ampleyfly | so, umm, why are there nonworking instructions up? =) |
| 01:44:03 | DerPapst | some odd problems with the new bootloaders that aren't solved yet. |
| 01:44:05 | nls | pixelma: the manual instructions are the new ones, so the do not work with 3G, 4G/color or minis |
| 01:44:27 | linuxstb | Because the bug with the apple firmware was only discovered after the manual was updated with the newer instructions. But it would be good to remove them for now... |
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| 01:45:33 | * | linuxstb is also tempted to disable frequency scaling on the targets where it's not working. |
| 01:46:54 | |Rincewind| | is it intentional that the firware_flash plugin gets build for irivers? |
| 01:47:02 | pixelma | nls: thanks for the info |
| 01:48:21 | linuxstb | |Rincewind|: It's intentional insofar as that's what apps/plugins/SOURCES says... But it looks like an Archos-only plugin, so yes it looks like it should only be built for those targets. |
| 01:49:15 | * | |Rincewind| would submit a patch but thinks that's not really needed |
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| 01:50:26 | linuxstb | |Rincewind|: It compiles to zero bytes anyway, meaning it shouldn't be included in the rockbox.zip |
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| 01:50:58 | * | |Rincewind| was just playing around with the H300 sim and would kill for a colour LCD for his H120 now |
| 01:51:37 | |Rincewind| | it just says "incompatible model" |
| 01:51:43 | linuxstb | Yes, in the sim... |
| 01:51:59 | linuxstb | Unless you're saying it's there on your device? |
| 01:52:08 | |Rincewind| | checking... |
| 01:52:30 | |Rincewind| | it isn't there |
| 01:52:39 | DerPapst | good night at all |
| 01:52:55 | linuxstb | g'night. |
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| 01:53:51 | |Rincewind| | If I had a H300 now I would play Bejeweled and Brickmania all night... |
| 01:54:37 | nls | it's easy to get addicted to that bejeweled game... but it wears off |
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| 01:54:43 | * | roolku wonders what is up with the player builds... |
| 01:55:11 | |Rincewind| | it wears off, but with nice graphics I would give it a try again |
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| 01:59:01 | nls | roolku: you didn't add the default memorysize to the player build |
| 01:59:04 | linuxstb | nls: The manual seems broken - I've just tried a 4g greyscale build and it's not working. |
| 01:59:29 | ampleyfly | umm, so, ipod mini 4gb is the same as ipod 4gb grayscale? |
| 01:59:31 | roolku | nls: yes, I noticed thank |
| 01:59:35 | roolku | s |
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| 02:00:00 | linuxstb | ampleyfly: No, 4g isn't the same as 4GB. |
| 02:00:15 | linuxstb | 4g is 4th generation. |
| 02:00:19 | nls | linuxstb: ah, ok, found it, will fix |
| 02:00:27 | ampleyfly | linuxstb: it says 4gb =) |
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| 02:00:33 | ampleyfly | oh |
| 02:00:35 | ampleyfly | I can't read |
| 02:00:36 | ampleyfly | -.- |
| 02:01:09 | ampleyfly | there's no bootloader-mini4g.bin in those instructions though |
| 02:01:17 | ampleyfly | it still says 2g. |
| 02:01:22 | ampleyfly | I'm a bit tired. |
| 02:01:24 | linuxstb | That's because there's no 4th generation mini. |
| 02:01:32 | linuxstb | There are two generations of mini. |
| 02:01:40 | ampleyfly | I'm reading gigabytes when it says generation =) |
| 02:01:54 | ampleyfly | nvm. |
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| 02:11:59 | barrywardell | linuxstb: does this look like a reasonable fix for udelay wrapping: http://pastebin.ca/379203 ? I'm waiting for gcc to compile at the moment, so I don't know if it even compiles, but it seems right to me |
| 02:14:19 | linuxstb | barrywardell: The reason I mentioned the TIME_BEFORE and TIME_AFTER macros is that I think we can just use them with USEC_TIMER. |
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| 02:14:46 | barrywardell | linuxstb: ah, ok. i'll look at them again |
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| 02:18:21 | MirrorImage | Hello. |
| 02:23:17 | fejfighter | hi |
| 02:23:40 | barrywardell | linuxstb: maybe it's late, but I can't see how TIME_AFTER or TIME_BEFORE could be used. is that not pretty much how udelay() works currently? |
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| 02:26:52 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I don't understand them either, but the comment says they're wrap-safe. I think it's a combination of the casting to signed long, and subtraction that makes the difference.. But it's too late for me to think as well... |
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| 02:28:20 | barrywardell | linuxstb: looks like Bagder wrote them, so I'm probably best just asking him. thanks anyway |
| 02:30:00 | nls | linuxstb: could you check the buttons for the alarm screen on ipod, does the wheel change minutes, left/right hours, play −− confirm, menu −− cancel? |
| 02:30:53 | ampleyfly | is there any nice software for generating a random playlist of a certain size? (not itunes) |
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| 03:02:28 | BigMac | anyone here use ubuntu? |
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| 03:05:39 | MirrorImage | I tried once. |
| 03:05:45 | MirrorImage | I'm no good at linux. :( |
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| 03:26:51 | BHSPitMonkey | MirrorImage, nah, that's just what the world did to you, with the help of MS |
| 03:27:06 | BHSPitMonkey | you can do it! |
| 03:27:14 | BHSPitMonkey | you must unlearn what you have learned! |
| 03:36:26 | fejfighter | hmm ineed to use that on my parents... |
| 03:36:35 | MirrorImage | Well. |
| 03:37:10 | MirrorImage | I had a batshit crazy time trying to install drivers for my radeon card. |
| 03:37:13 | MirrorImage | And then I gave up. |
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| 04:34:27 | Jarhead756 | what are the benifits of using rockbox on my 30gb video ipod? |
| 04:35:11 | decayedcell | Jarhead756 better sound quality, more games |
| 04:35:43 | Shaid | more audio format support |
| 04:35:45 | Shaid | such as flac. |
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| 04:35:57 | decayedcell | and ogg |
| 04:36:12 | decayedcell | lol sounds like he wasn't very interested |
| 04:37:18 | MirrorImage | Yay flac. |
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| 06:36:57 | breihanj | hello |
| 06:37:09 | breihanj | how can i get edit access to the CreativeZVMPort page ? |
| 06:38:09 | rotator | breihanj: what's your twiki user name? |
| 06:38:16 | breihanj | JosephBreihan |
| 06:39:12 | rotator | ok, you should have access now |
| 06:39:16 | breihanj | thanks |
| 06:39:28 | rotator | no problem :) |
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| 08:15:01 | Aaron4 | Are you only able to record as MP3 on an Archos Recorder? I read the manual and it only mentioned Mp3 |
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| 08:15:57 | Aaron4 | linuxstb? |
| 08:21:59 | amiconn | yes |
| 08:22:36 | Aaron4 | This wiki Archos FAQ is confusing me. It says that its not possible to record from the line in? |
| 08:22:49 | amiconn | The archos recorders have a 'small' cpu and leave audio encoding and decoding to a dedicated chip |
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| 08:23:27 | Aaron4 | Please tell me that it can play FLAC files |
| 08:23:27 | amiconn | It is, you're misreading it a bit. The archos _player_ can't record from the line in (because it can't record at all) |
| 08:23:47 | Aaron4 | Well if I'm getting a Recorder FM |
| 08:23:59 | amiconn | The archos records solely to mp3 and can play mp2 and mp3 |
| 08:24:30 | amiconn | The chip can be reprogrammed, and we have access to a loadable pcm codec for it |
| 08:24:35 | scorche | Aaron4: it is not a swcodec target |
| 08:24:44 | Aaron4 | This is terrible then. I'm winning a bid on an Archos recorder and have a 160 gig hd on the way but if I can't play FLAC its all in vain |
| 08:25:02 | amiconn | Rockbox can play wav on the archoses (except the player), but wav playback is currently only a plugin |
| 08:25:07 | scorche | then it looks like you might have been asking the wrong questions |
| 08:25:30 | scorche | at least you ahve flac instead of a lossy codec to make things easy to transcode |
| 08:25:35 | amiconn | The pcm codec can also be used to record to wav, but that's not yet implemented |
| 08:25:51 | Aaron4 | Is there hope to get FLAC support? |
| 08:26:09 | amiconn | Very very little. |
| 08:26:41 | amiconn | Wav and aiff are definitely possible, but require some work to integrate them properly |
| 08:27:15 | amiconn | For flac there are 2 options. Either someone tries to write the flac decoder in 100% asm, but even then it might be too slow |
| 08:27:57 | Aaron4 | I guess I just assumed Rockbox file type support was pretty much the same across platforms minus video support |
| 08:28:02 | amiconn | Or someone needs to dive into dsp asm and write a flac decoder for the mas core |
| 08:28:26 | Aaron4 | And i guess i figured with the Archos being around so long that FLAC had to be usable |
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| 08:28:55 | Aaron4 | I guess I'm going to cancel my order for the HD and hope someone outbids my 110 dollar max bid on the Recorder FM |
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| 08:29:15 | scorche | Aaron4: well that is why it isnt good to assume and to figure things out by yourself....all *swcodec* targets have the typical "rockbox file type support", but as i said, the archos units arent swcodec |
| 08:29:35 | Wotching | Hey, can anyone help to tell me how to apply a patch to source code and compile? |
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| 08:29:44 | Wotching | I have no idea how to do it. |
| 08:29:47 | Aaron4 | Are there any players that can use the 160 gig hd other than Archos? |
| 08:29:59 | scorche | Wotching: see the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page |
| 08:30:03 | scorche | Aaron4: no |
| 08:30:13 | Wotching | Sorche: where's that in the wiki? |
| 08:30:14 | Wotching | I didn't see it |
| 08:30:35 | scorche | Wotching: when you go to the wiki, enter that into the entry box at the top |
| 08:30:52 | Wotching | Thanks! |
| 08:31:09 | Aaron4 | Why is wav playback is only a plugin? |
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| 08:32:00 | scorche | because no one has integrated it properly into the playback engine |
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| 08:32:25 | Aaron4 | Is that decreasing the performance of wav or making it a hassle to play wav? |
| 08:32:49 | scorche | hassle |
| 08:33:17 | amiconn | The plugin is meant as a proof of concept, and as a preview what's possible |
| 08:33:56 | Aaron4 | Okay well that really sucks. I maxxed out my 60gb Ipod and Best Buy shipped it out for a month so I was hoping to get a huge FLAC playing Dap |
| 08:34:33 | Aaron4 | I guess I'll get the archos and use it to play wav files as I heard it still has a nice sound output quality |
| 08:34:37 | scorche | well, you can get an archos av300 series device and help with the port |
| 08:35:02 | Aaron4 | I don't know ASM or C but I've used VB and Delphi in the past |
| 08:35:10 | scorche | (but you will have to fight with me on the auctions) |
| 08:35:26 | scorche | well, it could be a good opportunity to learn |
| 08:35:32 | scorche | if you are willing to |
| 08:36:15 | Aaron4 | Well unfortunately like I said the one I'm looking at is the Recorder FM and my max bid is 110. I saw one sell for 100 dollars Buy It now so maybe someone will outbid me |
| 08:36:43 | Aaron4 | Rocbox doesn't run at all on the av300 at this point correct? |
| 08:36:52 | scorche | afaik, yes |
| 08:36:54 | ashridah | Aaron4: hm. can't you withdraw your bid on ebay? |
| 08:37:45 | Aaron4 | Probably but i'd rather now as your supposed to have a good reason which I don't have |
| 08:37:56 | Aaron4 | Either someones going to push me all the way to 110 or outbid me |
| 08:38:11 | Aaron4 | Either way I'll just hope for FLAC or better Wav integration in the future |
| 08:38:21 | ashridah | not knowing that it won't do what you want it to isn't a good reason? |
| 08:38:24 | Aaron4 | At least I just canceled the 160 gb hd before it shipped |
| 08:38:37 | Aaron4 | It was my own negligence |
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| 08:38:59 | * | ashridah remembers the fun he had finding a player to support his ogg collection back in 2004 |
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| 08:39:26 | ashridah | fortunately, the iriver iHP140 had come into stock at a local store. |
| 08:39:39 | ashridah | cost a fortune, but still with me to this day, rockbox was just an added bonus :) |
| 08:39:39 | Aaron4 | Why is it that the only player that can take the 160 gig hd is the Archos? I thought most other players used 2.5 inch ATA drives |
| 08:39:58 | ashridah | Aaron4: actually, most used 1.6" or 1.8" iirc |
| 08:40:07 | scorche | few do now, as the rush is for smaller devices |
| 08:40:09 | ashridah | those are specialized beasts |
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| 08:43:33 | Aaron4 | If I wanted to play an album of WAV files on the Archos would I have to select each song or could it play a playlist of WAV files? |
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| 08:51:07 | Aaron4 | I'm guessing the WAV plugin on the Archos doesn't take you to the WPS? |
| 08:51:15 | amiconn | no |
| 08:51:27 | Aaron4 | What kind of player do you use? |
| 08:51:38 | amiconn | You select a .wav, the plugin kicks in and plays it |
| 08:52:32 | amiconn | I have several players to choose from. My most used ones are the archos recorder and archos Ondio fm |
| 08:52:50 | Aaron4 | Are you not that into lossless? |
| 08:53:19 | amiconn | Will probably switch to the iriver h1x0 as I now have it equipped with an 80GB hdd |
| 08:53:48 | Aaron4 | And 80 is the biggest drive in the 1.6 or 1.8 size? |
| 08:53:53 | amiconn | For headphone use I don't care about lossloess. |
| 08:54:01 | amiconn | yes |
| 08:54:15 | ashridah | did 80G even come in the 1.6 size? |
| 08:54:20 | ashridah | thought it was 1.8 only |
| 08:54:32 | amiconn | I did convert my CD collection to flac, and that is one reason why I got this 80GB hdd. |
| 08:54:38 | Aaron4 | Would the archos be able to load and play a 600 meg wav? |
| 08:54:40 | amiconn | I don't know of any 1.6" drives |
| 08:55:19 | amiconn | Flac is interesting at home, together with the h1x0's s/pdif output and a hig-quality dac in my hifi set |
| 08:55:37 | scorche | i find that headphone use is much more telling than speakers of subtleys such as lossy/lossless |
| 08:55:54 | scorche | then again, it depends on your equipments |
| 08:56:14 | Aaron4 | Yeah. I've got a pair of Grado's and Etymotic ER4's so I want the nicest source I can get |
| 08:56:15 | scorche | s/equipments/equipment |
| 08:56:21 | amiconn | Not to me, and definitely not with earphones and the crappy dacs of the newer players |
| 08:57:01 | Aaron4 | Can the wav player on the JBR load a 600 meg file without having problems and crashing? |
| 08:57:14 | amiconn | Aaron4: The archos will handle all file sizes within the (v)fat limits, i.e. up to 2GB |
| 08:57:18 | scorche | i can tell lossy vs lossless even through the ipod's amp |
| 08:57:27 | amiconn | scorche: Really? |
| 08:57:40 | scorche | i have a/b tested |
| 08:57:56 | scorche | just requires good headphones |
| 08:58:05 | scorche | which is a hobby i seem to be very much into |
| 08:58:13 | amiconn | I can't tell any difference between wav and lame −−preset standard even on the archos with its decent dac |
| 08:58:20 | Aaron4 | scorche- do you have any feelings on the headphone output of the JBR to an Ipod? |
| 08:58:29 | scorche | much better |
| 08:58:49 | scorche | although there cna be a bit of white noise if you use low impedance |
| 08:59:07 | Aaron4 | Good. If I win that JBR I'll just put 25 of my favorite cd's in huge wav files and have it be a special use player |
| 08:59:08 | amiconn | Aaron4: I tested playing CD-sized wavs to get an idea about battery runtime with wav on my recorder |
| 08:59:26 | Aaron4 | And? Was it amazing or incredibly draining? |
| 08:59:28 | scorche | amiconn: i tested with flac and both APX and 320kbps |
| 08:59:43 | amiconn | scorche: I guess it also depends on the music |
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| 09:00:28 | scorche | i tested an electronic song, new wave, and rock song |
| 09:00:46 | amiconn | Note that I never did abx testing |
| 09:01:09 | Aaron4 | amiconn- What happened with your CD wav test? |
| 09:01:27 | amiconn | I can tell 128kbps mp3 easily with most music, and often 160kbps too, but that also depends on the encoder |
| 09:01:43 | amiconn | Aaron4: It worked fine. |
| 09:02:21 | scorche | 192kbps just isnt even enjoyable anymore really...i know how much i miss now |
| 09:02:27 | amiconn | Atm I am having general problems with my archos batteries (v1 uses NiMH) |
| 09:02:53 | scorche | the batteries themselves, or the connections? |
| 09:03:00 | amiconn | The batteries |
| 09:03:26 | amiconn | NiMHs somehow always develop high self-discharge for me |
| 09:03:43 | amiconn | I charge the recorder, and when I use it immediately it works like a charm |
| 09:04:06 | amiconn | But if I let it sit in the drawer for a few days and then try to power on -> click, off |
| 09:04:08 | scorche | yeah...leave them alone for a bit and they need charging again....but i vastly prefer that to an expensive custom battery that is much harder to replace |
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| 09:30:59 | supervillain | Hello, I got segmentation fault while partitioning the ipod, I have ipod_os_backup.fw, how do I restore it manually? |
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| 09:53:08 | supervillain | hello, I'm using linux, I don't have windows, where can I download the original apple firmware? |
| 09:55:17 | Galois | the original firmware is on the ipod itself. You can download it from the ipod using the installation instructions. |
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| 10:07:02 | supervillain | I don't have the firmware anymore, can I just install ipodlinux as standalone without the apple firmware? |
| 10:12:29 | * | amiconn points jhMikeS to my last commit and to http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/svn.advanced.props.html |
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| 10:34:54 | linuxstb | supervillain: You can download the Apple firmware from http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ - that will give you a .ipsw, which is just a zip file. unzip it, and you'll get a Firmware-X.Y.Z file. You then dd that Firmware-X.Y.Z to the first partition (e.g. dd if=Firmware-X.Y.Z of=/dev/sda1). Assuming you haven't nuked your partition table... |
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| 10:47:20 | Hub441 | hi! |
| 10:47:42 | Hub441 | what to do if my ipod G4 crashes fromt time to time? |
| 10:48:58 | midkay_ | it's an unstable port right now, there's some bug with frequency scaling, so crashes are unfortunately not uncommon.. |
| 10:49:00 | JdGordon | dont let it drive while drunk :p |
| 10:49:03 | linuxstb | Try a build with CPU frequency scaling disabled, or with the COP patch applied - they're available in the Unsupported Builds forum. |
| 10:49:05 | midkay_ | haha. |
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| 11:56:26 | PaulJam | Hi, is it really a bug that the "resume playback" entry in the main menu doesn't go to the radio screen if that was what you were listening to last? presonally i like the current behavour, that resume playback always resumes audiofile playback (that way i can listen to the news on the radio and resume mp3 playback afterwards) |
| 11:58:37 | amiconn | It's intended behaviour. |
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| 12:09:30 | linuxstb | PaulJam: I agree with you - playback is different from FM radio. |
| 12:10:30 | amiconn | Who says this would be a bug? |
| 12:10:44 | linuxstb | LinusN - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6719 |
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| 12:11:57 | amiconn | odd. |
| 12:12:35 | * | amiconn thinks you cannot 'resume' fm, you can only continue listening the same station. |
| 12:13:00 | amiconn | And I also agree with the definition that fm reception is not playback |
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| 12:14:41 | linuxstb | amiconn: Are you still intending to try to implement dbg_flash_id() for the ipods? |
| 12:15:13 | amiconn | Yes, but not right now |
| 12:15:25 | amiconn | Maybe someone is faster than me... |
| 12:15:57 | voltagex | win 3 |
| 12:15:59 | voltagex | oops |
| 12:16:04 | linuxstb | As I said, I tried but failed last weekend. |
| 12:16:32 | amiconn | It's most probably a timing issue |
| 12:16:59 | linuxstb | Yes, or maybe the cache is causing problems, I think I'll try it in the bootloader and see what happens there (we don't enable the cache iirc). |
| 12:17:32 | amiconn | Is it possible to disable the cache depending on memory location? |
| 12:17:53 | linuxstb | I don't think we know how to do that. |
| 12:17:58 | * | amiconn didn't think of the cache |
| 12:18:17 | amiconn | But we can disable and enable it? |
| 12:18:59 | amiconn | dbg_flash_id() would need to do that for sure |
| 12:19:03 | linuxstb | Yes, we can. Although I'm more confident testing in the bootloader first - just to be sure. |
| 12:23:09 | JdGordon | I see some alarm code was put in the h300 bootloader.. does it work? or not quite yet? |
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| 12:25:51 | amiconn | hi JdGordon |
| 12:25:57 | JdGordon | hwy |
| 12:26:05 | amiconn | I have a bug report regarding the menu rework: |
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| 12:26:31 | JdGordon | goody :) |
| 12:26:33 | amiconn | The scroll speed and scroll step size settings no longer use the long example strings |
| 12:27:10 | Lear | Already reported in the forum. :) |
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| 12:27:51 | JdGordon | amiconn: yeah, but those strings were useless anyway because the text wasnt long enough... |
| 12:28:13 | amiconn | The text was long enough on most of my targets... |
| 12:28:40 | Lear | And can be made longer on targets that need it... |
| 12:29:50 | amiconn | yes |
| 12:30:08 | amiconn | The german strings are a bit longer than the english ones as well |
| 12:30:33 | JdGordon | anyway, to make the text in the menu and the text in the setting screen different we need a special case for it.. is it really worth it? |
| 12:31:16 | PaulJam | Hello everybody! |
| 12:31:36 | amiconn | Iirc these 2 were not the only settings where the menu text and the settings headline were different. |
| 12:31:39 | Genre9mp3 | Do we have a new h300 bootloader or not yet? (sorry... but I'm completely outdated) |
| 12:31:56 | amiconn | What happened to all the others? And what happened to the respective .lang strings? |
| 12:32:08 | bluebrother | btw, the scroll exampls should repeat the text and scroll in every case. |
| 12:32:24 | bluebrother | I had the case of the text being to short for small fonts a couple of times |
| 12:32:35 | amiconn | Yes, the text could be repeated if it's too short for the lcd width and the current font |
| 12:32:37 | bluebrother | Genre9mp3, no released yet |
| 12:33:00 | bluebrother | but LinusN is working on it |
| 12:33:22 | JdGordon | amiconn: which other ones? but ok, ill add an option for it... |
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| 12:33:38 | * | JdGordon thinks for 10s then realises it should be easy.. ish... |
| 12:33:45 | Genre9mp3 | great news! :) |
| 12:34:15 | * | bluebrother wonders if he should try out the v7pre3 bootloader for h100 |
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| 12:34:52 | bluebrother | any caveats in doing so? Can I just update the bootloader and keep the rest of the flash as-is (I assume so)? |
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| 12:37:24 | amiconn | JdGordon: I don't remember them right now, but there were some... |
| 12:37:54 | JdGordon | ok |
| 12:39:21 | amiconn | Whether it makes sense is another question, but if it doesn't, we should deprecate the respective .lang strings |
| 12:40:44 | JdGordon | I dont remember any others excpet the scroll that did make sense.. but if the special case is needed then may as well fix the lot of them |
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| 12:48:53 | * | linuxstb can now enter ipod diskmode without rebooting |
| 12:48:58 | JdGordon | :) |
| 12:49:22 | decayedcell | YAY |
| 12:49:31 | decayedcell | but we still get USB freezing |
| 12:49:34 | decayedcell | >< |
| 12:50:13 | JdGordon | amiconn: the player port is making the menu macros difficult to manage... are we low on bin space on the placer? I want to add the ICON variable to the menu items |
| 12:50:24 | JdGordon | which wont be displayed.... |
| 12:50:48 | pixelma | no that's a problem that the Player does not have |
| 12:50:59 | JdGordon | awesome |
| 12:51:24 | JdGordon | its just too hard adding new macros with the HAVE_LCD_BITMPA check |
| 12:52:19 | JdGordon | :'( actually its not going to work anyway... the icon array isnt defined for the player |
| 12:52:23 | pixelma | btw... are there menus left that still have to be moved over to the new system? |
| 12:52:30 | JdGordon | just recording |
| 12:52:35 | JdGordon | and the context menus |
| 12:53:48 | pixelma | did you see my complaint about the "new startfile detected" screen? |
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| 12:54:17 | JdGordon | pixelma: i tinhk so.. but remind me? :p |
| 12:54:27 | JdGordon | it being shifted? |
| 12:54:55 | pixelma | yes - similar to the rockbox info, runtime screen |
| 12:55:20 | linuxstb | Any ipod users wanting to test my new code for switching to diskmode without rebooting - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/diskmode.diff |
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| 12:55:54 | linuxstb | The problem though is that you disconnect from USB, the ipod leaves diskmode, then reenters it, then realises there is no computer attached, then reboots.... |
| 12:57:38 | JdGordon | ... so not quite ready? :p |
| 12:58:16 | amiconn | JdGordon: The player does have icons... |
| 12:58:22 | linuxstb | I'm not sure if that's going to be fixable, so the question is if that patch is better than the current behaviour... |
| 12:58:36 | amiconn | They're just defined differently |
| 12:58:40 | JdGordon | amiconn: not nice ones like the bmp lcds tho |
| 12:59:32 | * | JdGordon has a semi nasty hack ready to keep KISS... |
| 12:59:57 | amiconn | You can just |
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| 13:00:05 | amiconn | #ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP |
| 13:00:16 | amiconn | #define MACRO_FOR_BITMAP |
| 13:00:21 | amiconn | #else |
| 13:00:28 | amiconn | #define MACRO_FOR_CHARCELL |
| 13:00:32 | amiconn | #endif |
| 13:00:44 | amiconn | It's a bit more to type though |
| 13:00:52 | JdGordon | which is whats there.. have a loo at the bottom of menu.h, its horrible |
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| 13:03:34 | amiconn | Hmm, and why shouldn't it be possible to just inlucde the icon for charcell? |
| 13:03:44 | amiconn | ...even if it isn't displayed? |
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| 13:05:16 | JdGordon | because in the menu macros they do bitmap_icons_6x8[Icon_SOMETHING] which doesnt exists for the player |
| 13:06:10 | JdGordon | unless that is changed to only take the icon identifier.. but that still will cause errors with undefined ICON_ identifiers |
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| 13:07:22 | JdGordon | maybe the doubling up of the macros is just the easier option :'( |
| 13:07:44 | amiconn | Using the icon identifier soulds like it would be a lot cleaner |
| 13:07:49 | amiconn | *sounds |
| 13:10:31 | JdGordon | grr.. back in 15min |
| 13:10:32 | XavierGr_ | JdGordon to test the RTC capabilities on the H300 you will have to wait for preglow, Linus to commit the rtc stuff on main firmware |
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| 13:16:35 | decayedcell | linuxstb compiling as we speak :p |
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| 13:20:06 | JdGordon | it should do that by defaul |
| 13:20:06 | JdGordon | t |
| 13:20:39 | amiconn | You need to enable the 'follow playlist' option |
| 13:20:42 | pixelma | but... doesn't work 100% when you stop playback... |
| 13:21:10 | amiconn | Bah, that's different |
| 13:21:26 | amiconn | But... 'follow playlist' also seems to be flaky now |
| 13:22:00 | linuxstb | decayedcell: I'm about to upload a better version... |
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| 13:22:33 | decayedcell | linuxstb lol okay then |
| 13:22:37 | decayedcell | its compiled |
| 13:22:42 | decayedcell | but i'll disconnect it later |
| 13:22:47 | linuxstb | decayedcell: New version there now. |
| 13:23:09 | linuxstb | This now correctly reloads Rockbox immediately after rebooting. |
| 13:23:18 | linuxstb | s/rebooting/disconnecting/ |
| 13:24:16 | amiconn | hrrrrmmmm |
| 13:24:24 | * | amiconn needs to cleanup his music mess |
| 13:24:44 | linuxstb | rm -fr * ? |
| 13:25:05 | amiconn | nah |
| 13:25:28 | amiconn | I need to check like a dozen places and combine everything into one nice tree, with correct tags |
| 13:25:41 | amiconn | And I don't have enough space to do this on my local hd |
| 13:27:18 | amiconn | My linux box would, so I could do this there if only linux usb could be trusted |
| 13:27:45 | nls | amiconn: why can't it be trusted? |
| 13:27:53 | JdGordon | beat me to it nls :p |
| 13:28:12 | amiconn | It silently produces data errors in large files |
| 13:29:07 | JdGordon | how do you get grep to find and replace in files? |
| 13:29:14 | decayedcell | linuxstb how do i test his |
| 13:29:39 | linuxstb | decayedcell: Just attach to your computer as normal. It should enter diskmode immediately, rather than rebooting. |
| 13:29:48 | nls | JdGordon: I reported one more menu problem in the thread, selecting recording screen as start screen doesn't work, it starts up in the main menu anyway... |
| 13:30:09 | decayedcell | linuxstb well it seems to be hanging at the rockbox logo mm |
| 13:30:27 | linuxstb | Try resetting, and then trying again. |
| 13:30:37 | decayedcell | did that already |
| 13:30:43 | linuxstb | And are you using the first or second patch? |
| 13:30:49 | decayedcell | second |
| 13:30:54 | decayedcell | i'll build it without the patch |
| 13:30:57 | decayedcell | see if its the problem |
| 13:31:11 | linuxstb | Then it's not a problem with my patch - it's the existing usb hanging problem. |
| 13:31:21 | JdGordon | nls: ok thanks... im working on the wrong text in the scroll settings now |
| 13:31:31 | linuxstb | I've found that it works reliably if you ensure the disk isn't active before attaching USB. |
| 13:31:46 | nls | ah, ok, no rush, just so you didn't miss it :-) |
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| 13:35:14 | decayedcell | hmm must be something else |
| 13:35:22 | decayedcell | might be the iPL bootloader |
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| 13:35:46 | linuxstb | Which version of loader2 are you using? 2.4 shouldn't be used with Rockbox any more. |
| 13:35:57 | decayedcell | 2.5d6 |
| 13:36:08 | linuxstb | Then it _should_ be OK. |
| 13:36:13 | decayedcell | 2.4 doesn't even load Apple OS on the 5.5G, furthermore it has no cop support |
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| 13:37:09 | decayedcell | oh well i'll figure it out tmr |
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| 13:37:57 | JdGordon | any grep wizards here? |
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| 13:38:15 | JdGordon | $ grep -E "/bitmap_icons_6x8\[\([a-zA-Z0-9]*\)\]/\1" main_menu.c |
| 13:38:16 | JdGordon | grep: Invalid back reference |
| 13:39:04 | JdGordon | I want to replace bitmap_icons_6x8[blaa] with blaa in the file |
| 13:39:14 | Lear | Don't escape the "()"? (Not a wizard, but... :) ) |
| 13:39:47 | Lear | Afaik, \1 refers to the first (). |
| 13:39:47 | bluebrother | you are missing the trailing / |
| 13:40:27 | bluebrother | and don't you need to s/search/replace/? Or was that sed only? |
| 13:41:49 | JdGordon | $ grep -E "s/bitmap_icons_6x8\[([a-zA-Z0-9]*)\]/\1/g" main_menu.c runs but nothing changes |
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| 13:43:17 | Galois | perl -pe 's/bitmap_icons_6x8\[([a-zA-Z0-9]*)\]/$1/g' < main_menu.c |
| 13:43:23 | Lear | Well, grep is a search tool, not an edit tool... |
| 13:43:54 | Galois | Lear and bluebrother are right. grep won't do search and replace |
| 13:44:17 | Galois | you need sed for search and replace, but why bother with sed. perl is better |
| 13:44:20 | * | JdGordon thought he used grep a while ago to find and replace |
| 13:44:29 | Lear | I thought it might edit the output, but maybe not. |
| 13:44:39 | JdGordon | Galois: didnt work.. or my regexp is wrong |
| 13:44:58 | Galois | [djao@t31:~]$ echo 'bitmap_icons_6x8[blaa]' | perl -pe 's/bitmap_icons_6x8\[([a-zA-Z0-9]*)\]/$1/g' |
| 13:44:58 | Galois | blaa |
| 13:45:00 | Galois | works for me |
| 13:45:15 | Lear | Shouldn't the pattern include "_"? |
| 13:45:25 | JdGordon | yes :p |
| 13:45:34 | Galois | oh, in that case |
| 13:45:37 | Galois | just use \w |
| 13:47:34 | Galois | [djao@t31:~]$ echo 'bitmap_icons_6x8[blaa__]' | perl -pe 's/bitmap_icons_6x8\[(\w*)\]/$1/g' |
| 13:47:34 | Galois | blaa__ |
| 13:49:49 | JdGordon | ok, now how do i move each X.c.new to X.c ? |
| 13:50:53 | Galois | for file in *.new; do mv $file `basename $file .new`; done |
| 13:51:28 | JdGordon | thanks |
| 13:51:56 | Galois | (not guaranteed to work in all situations, but it's 99% of the gain for 10% of the effort) |
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| 13:58:11 | pixelma | linuxstb: not only you drive on the wrong side of the street, you also have those strange power plugs... ;) |
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| 14:00:23 | | Part Nibbier ("bei uns hat noch niemals nicht koana koan durscht ned ghabt") |
| 14:01:26 | linuxstb | :) |
| 14:01:34 | JdGordon | pixelma: or maybe _you_ drive on the wrong side? |
| 14:01:46 | JdGordon | and both of you have wierd power plugs :D |
| 14:01:54 | XavierGr_ | I agree with pixelma you drive on the wrong side :P |
| 14:02:05 | * | linuxstb suspects that Twiki user BiosCrc is not using his/her real name |
| 14:03:24 | XavierGr_ | linuxstb: Nah this name is used quite often here :P |
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| 14:08:05 | JdGordon | amiconn: is this patch OK (specifically the two icons.h files) jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/icon_changes.patch">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/icon_changes.patch |
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| 14:15:22 | Lear | 404 here |
| 14:16:18 | JdGordon | bah jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/icon_changes.patch">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/icon_changes.patch |
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| 14:27:17 | nls | gah! the left channel in my headphones died :-( |
| 14:27:22 | JdGordon | amiconn: ping? |
| 14:27:28 | JdGordon | that sucks :( |
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| 14:28:32 | Lear | Had that fairly recently. |
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| 14:29:32 | nls | to look at it from the positive side, I can now justify buying new ones :-) |
| 14:30:02 | Lear | Yep, I got a better pair (not that the previous one was bad)... |
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| 14:31:52 | JdGordon | pixelma: which screen is shifted right that is accesscable in the h300 sim (if you know? ) |
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| 14:34:15 | pixelma | I doubt it is accessable in the sim - it's the one that appears when a new firmware file is detected (doesn't even always happen) |
| 14:35:47 | JdGordon | ok. Im hopefully going to fix the problem properly :p |
| 14:36:33 | JdGordon | yup, the list is naughty and not setting the margin back to the old margin when it finishes drawing! |
| 14:36:41 | * | linuxstb away |
| 14:36:50 | * | linuxstb apologies for the wrong command... |
| 14:37:32 | amiconn | mrf |
| 14:40:14 | JdGordon | amiconn: that patch ok? |
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| 14:42:22 | JdGordon | pixelma: fixed :) |
| 14:43:51 | amiconn | Can't spot a problem right now. Did you check how much larger the player build becomes? |
| 14:44:11 | amiconn | I think it won't be much... |
| 14:45:40 | JdGordon | < 200bytes |
| 14:46:22 | JdGordon | the thing that annoys me is needing to put the Icon_* in both icons.h file... but I guess its still better than doubling up the macros |
| 14:47:00 | pixelma | nice - but I've no time to check... gotta run. Bye! |
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| 14:47:38 | amiconn | Hmm. Maybe the standard icon numbers should be made equal for charcell and bitmap |
| 14:47:53 | obo | JdGordon: root_menu() is only called once in tree.c as the unit boots? |
| 14:48:00 | JdGordon | yes |
| 14:48:15 | amiconn | Not possible right now because of how they currently work. Will try to remember that when fiddling with the player lcd driver |
| 14:48:17 | JdGordon | amiconn: probably.. but not so easy, they are used for 3 diferent arays |
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| 14:49:23 | amiconn | There is a slight ugliness regarding the root menu on archos recorder (v1 only): |
| 14:49:31 | JdGordon | oh? |
| 14:50:06 | amiconn | On the recorder, we (currently) have clean shutdown in the file browser only, so in order to perform a clean shutdown one first needs to enter the browser |
| 14:50:35 | JdGordon | we cant move whatever code is needed to the root? |
| 14:51:47 | amiconn | Depends on how easy it is to add code that only runs in te root menu, but not in other menus |
| 14:52:49 | JdGordon | not difficult |
| 14:53:17 | JdGordon | what about adding the shutdown option for the v1 rec? then just put the code in a seperate function in root_menu.c? |
| 14:54:22 | amiconn | The shutdown option feels cumbersome... but it could be an additional method |
| 14:54:52 | amiconn | If it's possible to run specific actions for the main menu, I'd like to have both methods for both player and recv1 |
| 14:56:03 | amiconn | With the root menu this should be possible unlike with the file browser |
| 14:56:09 | JdGordon | you'd need to do something like "if (menu != &root_menu_)" |
| 14:56:15 | JdGordon | in the action loop |
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| 15:01:57 | amiconn | Many yellows... |
| 15:03:07 | JdGordon | thats not many :) |
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| 15:03:39 | JdGordon | ok, ill fix that in a min... already changed menu.c too much :p |
| 15:03:52 | amiconn | All bitmap targets... |
| 15:04:06 | amiconn | Strangely not the sims... |
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| 15:06:56 | JdGordon | the sims gcc doesnt care so much? |
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| 15:09:17 | amiconn | Regarding the player and size limits: of course the player does have size limits, but we're still 22KB away from hitting the first one |
| 15:09:57 | amiconn | ...which will be the 200KB loadable firmware size limit, and is not critical because then the build system switches to using the self extractor |
| 15:10:25 | amiconn | The next limit would be rombox, but that's further 32KB away |
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| 15:22:34 | JdGordon | amiconn: ok, scroll setting titles are aboutt to be fixed in svn... very easy to change any others which need chaning |
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| 16:26:13 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I've had svn tell me svn:keywords -v show me which keywords are set and still not update it when committing. I guess there's some other detail I'm missing. |
| 16:27:21 | jhMikeS | svn proplist -v rather |
| 16:29:56 | Lear | Interesting, the record settings menu icon is different from the record screen menu icon. :) |
| 16:30:02 | bluebrother | so the property itself is set? |
| 16:31:05 | jhMikeS | bluebrother: that had returned the list "Author Date Id Revision" and it just did nothing |
| 16:31:40 | bluebrother | sounds like the property is already set in svn |
| 16:32:47 | jhMikeS | amiconn set them. when I did the propset myself it said they were set but no change when committing. :\ |
| 16:33:31 | bluebrother | strange. |
| 16:33:41 | jhMikeS | wonder if it needs the user/pass specified or something |
| 16:34:10 | bluebrother | for me I can modify the properties like the file itself. No special action needed |
| 16:34:29 | bluebrother | and I'm still using 1.3.2 here |
| 16:35:05 | jhMikeS | 1.4.2 here. I updated debian through the apt interface. |
| 16:36:59 | jhMikeS | autoprops should be on too but that only should affect newly added files iiuc |
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| 16:50:15 | TheVolc2 | Hi |
| 16:51:00 | TheVolc2 | Hi |
| 16:51:10 | bluebrother | oh, twice hi ... |
| 16:51:43 | TheVolc2 | Can someone help me on RockBox i have a few questions |
| 16:52:03 | bluebrother | just ask. If someone can answer your question someone will ask |
| 16:52:24 | Soap | s/ask/answer |
| 16:52:27 | bluebrother | err, answer, not ask ;-) |
| 16:52:27 | TheVolc2 | OK i downloaded RockBox from Here. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8833.0 |
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| 16:52:38 | bluebrother | from the forums? |
| 16:52:47 | TheVolc2 | and its says that it has Coprocesor support, |
| 16:52:50 | TheVolc2 | yes |
| 16:52:55 | bluebrother | ah, unsupported build |
| 16:53:24 | TheVolc2 | I i have been trying to see a small video from rockbox with the VLC-Transcode.bat |
| 16:53:37 | TheVolc2 | i have Ipod Photo |
| 16:53:40 | Soap | When you boot you ipod, TheVolc2, is it black text on a blue background or white text on a black background? |
| 16:53:58 | TheVolc2 | i tried the settings 220*176 and 400 VideoBitRate |
| 16:54:16 | TheVolc2 | But when i run the video it runs slow but the audio its OK |
| 16:54:19 | bluebrother | I still haven't seen the question itself |
| 16:54:22 | bluebrother | ah. |
| 16:54:57 | TheVolc2 | its a White text with the black background |
| 16:55:21 | TheVolc2 | i was wondering if someone has a VLCtranscode.bat for the ipod photo only |
| 16:55:56 | TheVolc2 | If someone was succesfull playing videos on the Rockbox for the Ipod Photo |
| 16:56:05 | bluebrother | is there anyway stated that video should work good / better with COP supporting builds? |
| 16:57:16 | Soap | it should work much better on COP builds. |
| 16:57:53 | Soap | framerate of video only on non-COP build = framerate of video+audio on COP builds. |
| 16:58:55 | TheVolc2 | OK then i downloaded RockBox from this link "http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?board=36.0" it says to has cop support. i also have Pies Julius build from january 30 |
| 16:59:48 | TheVolc2 | So someone have the VLCTranscode.bat that work for the Ipod Photo? |
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| 17:00:58 | TheVolc2 | COP its something that you enable on the RockBox or its automaticly enable??? |
| 17:04:59 | TheVolc2 | i guest that im not receiving any message. im using the html version |
| 17:06:30 | TheVolc2 | hellow |
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| 17:06:43 | Soap | Many are asleep. |
| 17:06:50 | Soap | Many are enjoying their Saturday. |
| 17:07:20 | TheVolc2 | OK here its Saturday March 03 |
| 17:07:28 | TheVolc2 | 12:07 PM |
| 17:07:29 | Shaid | Here's it's 3am. |
| 17:07:32 | Shaid | Why am I up? |
| 17:07:34 | TheVolc2 | Puerto Rico |
| 17:07:41 | bluebrother | 5pm here :) |
| 17:07:59 | Soap | Your text is getting through, though, no need to worry about that. COP is something you as an end-user don't need to worry about, there is no switch to toggle. |
| 17:08:06 | TheVolc2 | So were are you from? |
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| 17:13:49 | jhMikeS | TheVolc2: Where abouts in PR? I know people from Juana Diaz. |
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| 17:14:47 | jhMikeS | woops...left already :P |
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| 17:19:58 | Soap | jhMikeS: I've been watching your commits with envy. |
| 17:20:14 | Soap | What needs to be done to turn you over to the dark side (ARM)? |
| 17:20:33 | jhMikeS | Soap: I need a good deal on a Gigabeat? :) |
| 17:21:29 | jhMikeS | Though preglow's promised to handle the dark side soon. |
| 17:23:24 | jhMikeS | I'd love to help make that S model work in all it's CPU excess. |
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| 17:30:54 | pearldiver | "look for rockbox.gigabeat in /.rockbox/ first like other SWCODEC targets" |
| 17:30:57 | pearldiver | so it was moved? |
| 17:32:01 | barrywardell | no, but it will eventually be |
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| 17:32:36 | pearldiver | ah |
| 17:32:41 | toffe | jhMikeS: good deal on gigabeat, I can help :) |
| 17:32:48 | dabyd64 | hi u all |
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| 17:33:22 | dabyd64 | i have a question, is the brickmania plugin available for sansa e200? |
| 17:33:51 | Kool | does rockbox support 137 GB+ HDDs? |
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| 17:34:03 | jhMikeS | toffe: :) Of course as far as a player, a nice, fully functional one that I can use. not just a guinea pig player. |
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| 17:35:05 | toffe | jhMikeS: I have several working F40 , F20 and F10 |
| 17:35:09 | jhMikeS | of course to do a port, I'd probably need both ... and have some idea how to unbrick it |
| 17:35:24 | barrywardell | Kool: yes. see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BigDisk |
| 17:35:29 | jhMikeS | The number designates disk size? |
| 17:35:44 | toffe | if you look for a S , I just have 2 broken , and I am going to work on it |
| 17:35:46 | Kool | ty barrywardell |
| 17:35:48 | toffe | yes |
| 17:35:51 | dabyd64 | is the brickmania plugin available for sansa e200? |
| 17:36:08 | dabyd64 | i searched but it doesnt come with the build |
| 17:36:12 | toffe | jhMikeS: where do you live ? |
| 17:36:20 | jhMikeS | off the top of my head I'd say largest capacity |
| 17:36:27 | jhMikeS | roffe: Michigan |
| 17:36:38 | jhMikeS | s/roffe/toffe/ |
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| 17:37:19 | barrywardell | dabyd64: it's not available yet, no. |
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| 17:37:34 | dabyd64 | ok, thanks |
| 17:37:46 | dabyd64 | i love arkanoid =D |
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| 17:39:17 | toffe | jhMikeS: you want a f40 I can sell you one complete with dock station in the original box for 80$ plus shipping (I think it must be 15$ |
| 17:39:42 | jhMikeS | toffe: not seeing my pm? |
| 17:40:00 | toffe | sorry, miss it :) |
| 17:41:09 | toffe | I cannot pm, you have to accept unregister |
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| 17:42:26 | jhMikeS | oooh...how do I set that up real quick? |
| 17:42:46 | toffe | don't know |
| 17:43:17 | * | Soap isn't a developer but also wants a F40 |
| 17:43:40 | toffe | Soap: I can get you one too ;) |
| 17:43:50 | Soap | I am interested. |
| 17:44:38 | toffe | I am actually trying to see if the jtag connector is workin, if yes, it will be really interesting to debug the prog... |
| 17:44:41 | Kool | whts F40? |
| 17:44:54 | petur | broken f40 on ebay: http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/BROKEN-TOSHIBA-GIGABEAT-F40-40GB-MOBILE-AUDIO-PLAYER-MP_W0QQitemZ150095825916QQihZ005QQcategoryZ73839QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 17:45:15 | petur | 'says error when turned on' |
| 17:45:18 | Kool | oh germny |
| 17:45:25 | Kool | germany* |
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| 17:47:31 | * | petur wonders what recovery we have on gigabeat |
| 17:47:32 | Kasperle | hey. i just wanted to shutdown rockbox (on an ipod) by pressing and holding play, and it hung, the screen says "Data abort\nat 0049DA8" in the top left corner |
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| 17:49:52 | barrywardell | petur: I think you have to take it apart, remove the disk, plug usb in, then plug the disk in on the fly |
| 17:50:16 | petur | so it should be possible to unbrick it |
| 17:50:24 | petur | I'll have a spare 40GB disk soon :) |
| 17:50:37 | petur | in case the disk is broken |
| 17:51:50 | barrywardell | that's the procedure for recovering from a bad bootloader anyway |
| 17:51:50 | Kool | the dude should atleast have listed the error number :p for debugging purposes ... |
| 17:52:01 | barrywardell | maybe ask on #gigabeat just in case |
| 17:53:28 | Soap | toffe: my email address is listed on my wikipage if you want to contact me that way. |
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| 17:56:56 | toffe | from all the F I bought with error message, except one which had a bad hd, all the other ones were fixed by reformating and reinstalling the firmware.. |
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| 18:00:53 | Soap | does the Gigabeat use the same connector as the iPods or as the iRivers? |
| 18:01:06 | toffe | no |
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| 18:08:12 | Nico_P | toffe: how do you get the gigabeats ? |
| 18:08:36 | toffe | playing on Ebay ;) |
| 18:08:58 | Nico_P | i should have been more patient to buy mine, i payed it too much |
| 18:08:59 | toffe | buying broken one , sometimes good ones |
| 18:09:08 | toffe | how much ? |
| 18:09:15 | Nico_P | 180 € :s |
| 18:09:23 | Nico_P | including shipping |
| 18:09:31 | Nico_P | but it's as good as new |
| 18:09:42 | toffe | the last I got for 2 friends inm france where 80$ each complete but not in original box |
| 18:10:23 | Nico_P | yeah i did get it with the box and full set of accessories, including a leather case the guy had bought to protect it |
| 18:11:07 | Nico_P | i'm very pleased with it and i don't really regret having bought it... even 180€ is pretty cheap for a 40 GB HDD player |
| 18:11:44 | Nico_P | the hard part was finding one that could be shipped to france actually |
| 18:12:11 | Nico_P | toffe: you live in france ? |
| 18:12:19 | toffe | barrywardell: cannot pm :( |
| 18:12:51 | toffe | Nico_P: I am french but living in California |
| 18:13:02 | Nico_P | toffe: ok |
| 18:13:35 | toffe | are you french ? |
| 18:13:37 | Nico_P | yes |
| 18:13:44 | toffe | from where ? |
| 18:13:57 | Nico_P | i'm from paris but curently i study in toulouse |
| 18:14:46 | barrywardell | toffe: oh, sorry. did you get my message? |
| 18:14:55 | toffe | I am from Moissac 60 km from Toulouse and my friends are from touluse ( the ones who get the gigabeats) |
| 18:15:07 | Nico_P | :) |
| 18:15:23 | toffe | barrywardell: yes but can't answer, you have to accept unregistered user |
| 18:16:23 | toffe | Nico_P: when you see dune2 or twins in the rockbox or tgigabeat channel , there are from toulouse |
| 18:16:31 | toffe | gigabeat ^^ |
| 18:16:50 | Nico_P | i should hang out there more often |
| 18:17:21 | toffe | but they must be busy because we don't see them for 2 weeks now.. |
| 18:17:35 | MirrorImage | Hey, this is just a stray question, but is it possible to install ipodlinux without restoring the ipod? |
| 18:17:57 | MirrorImage | I know this is rockbox and stuff, but I thought one of you might know. |
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| 18:21:24 | desowin | MirrorImage: yes, you'll need to shrnik the fat partition |
| 18:21:54 | desowin | s/shrnik/shrink |
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| 18:38:06 | Aaron4 | Does anyone think Rockbox could be ported to Xbox? |
| 18:38:29 | nls | Aaron4: I guess it could, but why? |
| 18:39:19 | Aaron4 | Well, you could put a huge hard drive in it and play music on a home theater system that you have connected to the xbox, without your computer |
| 18:39:20 | desowin | well, xbox isn't portable music player imo ... |
| 18:39:29 | Aaron4 | No, it isn't a portable music player at all |
| 18:40:11 | desowin | can't XBMC do it ? |
| 18:40:16 | Aaron4 | But I'd love to have all my musi collection local to my home theater system |
| 18:40:38 | Aaron4 | Well thats only for a 360 I'm pretty sure and I'm also pretty sure it doesn't play FLAC |
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| 18:41:01 | Aaron4 | Well let me see actually |
| 18:41:24 | Aaron4 | I guesss it is for the original |
| 18:41:42 | nls | and it lists flac as supported |
| 18:42:00 | Aaron4 | nevermind |
| 18:42:10 | Aaron4 | I didn't know about that software |
| 18:42:22 | desowin | http://sourceforge.net/projects/xbmc |
| 18:42:44 | desowin | it's gpl'ed |
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| 18:45:01 | Aaron4 | Have any of you tried XBMC? It looks awsome |
| 18:45:36 | Soap | *cough* this is #Rockbox. For general chit-chat please feel free to join #rockbox-community. |
| 18:46:29 | Aaron4 | I was unaware of that channel but will keep that in mind |
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| 18:49:21 | * | nls goes to a party :-) |
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| 18:49:50 | BigMac | anyone compiling rockbox from ubuntu? |
| 18:51:24 | Soap | many compiling questions are non-distro-specific. |
| 18:51:34 | BigMac | Yah I guess |
| 18:51:46 | BigMac | ok so I have downloaded the source |
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| 18:53:44 | BigMac | I ran the rockboxdev.sh source a while back, but I kept getting path errors. I tried mending my path but now when I go to make, the list with all daps, no longer shows up, and I still can't make a zip because I still get path errors |
| 18:54:41 | Soap | make does not bring up the list with all possible targets. |
| 18:54:50 | BigMac | rockboxdev.sh script |
| 18:55:09 | BigMac | oh sorry, which is the command that does that |
| 18:55:18 | BigMac | that is the one I am talking about |
| 18:55:27 | Soap | ../tools/configure |
| 18:55:47 | Soap | aliased to rbconf in the coLinux and vmware images. |
| 18:56:29 | Soap | type "echo $PATH" and tell me what your path it. |
| 18:56:31 | Soap | IS |
| 18:57:06 | BigMac | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
| 18:57:10 | BigMac | woops |
| 18:57:20 | BigMac | should have rafb.net'd that |
| 18:57:30 | Soap | one line doesn't need pastebin |
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| 18:57:40 | BigMac | oh ok |
| 18:58:10 | BigMac | Would that be the correct path |
| 18:58:45 | Soap | if you ran rockbox.sh successfully, you need to add (for arm - you owning a iPod) "/usr/local/arm-elf/bin" to your path. Preferably at the start of your path. |
| 18:59:32 | Soap | So that your path = "/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games" |
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| 19:00:24 | BigMac | so export path = "/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
| 19:00:54 | Soap | If that is the command, I an a newbie and would have to look it up. |
| 19:01:29 | BigMac | yah I got that from the ubuntu forum a while back |
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| 19:03:24 | BigMac | http://rafb.net/p/NvUgBs60.html |
| 19:03:31 | BigMac | That is the error I get |
| 19:04:24 | obo | export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:$PATH |
| 19:04:44 | BigMac | ah thaml you I will try that |
| 19:04:51 | BigMac | thank |
| 19:06:13 | obo | but to make life easier it's better to edit your path so that you don't need to export every time - ~/.bashrc or ~/.profile or ~/.bash_profile - I'm not sure which one you'll have |
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| 19:06:43 | obo | ah, I'm old fashioned, you might not even be using bash :) |
| 19:06:44 | BigMac | my /usr/local directory does not contain an arm elf folder so I should probably run rockbox dev.sh again right? |
| 19:06:58 | BigMac | yah I believe I am |
| 19:07:09 | obo | assuming you were using the default paths, then yes, sounds like it needs re-running |
| 19:07:23 | Soap | do you need to run it as root? |
| 19:08:04 | obo | you do to write to /usr/local, but I believe the script tests that you have write permission at the start and will tell you if not |
| 19:08:13 | Soap | and yes, BigMac, you should just edit your .bashrc file, for otherwise you will need to "export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:$PATH" every boot. |
| 19:08:34 | BigMac | ok I will try to find that file |
| 19:10:00 | Soap | in your user's home directory. |
| 19:10:13 | Soap | I _think_ ubuntu uses .bashrc |
| 19:10:26 | BigMac | which guide to compiling do you reccomend for linux distros |
| 19:10:46 | Soap | all of them in the wiki. It isn't an either/or situation. |
| 19:11:29 | BigMac | Soap: I have a bashrc and a bash profile |
| 19:12:03 | Soap | ok |
| 19:12:22 | BigMac | so just use bashrc right |
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| 19:14:21 | BigMac | Ok added export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:$PATH to the end of the file |
| 19:14:33 | Soap | no |
| 19:15:37 | Soap | if you do that, every time you login /usr/local/arm-elf/bin (I believe) will be added to the front of your path. |
| 19:16:03 | Soap | simply make the last line PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
| 19:16:19 | linuxstb_ | I think BigMac's first attempt is OK. |
| 19:16:40 | Soap | it won't do that? Sorry BigMac |
| 19:17:20 | BigMac | No problem |
| 19:17:51 | Soap | might as well also add alias rbconf='../tools/configure' and alias rbconf='../tools/configure' to your .bashrc file at this time so your enviroment is more like the vmware/colinux ones the wiki guides will be based upon. |
| 19:17:53 | linuxstb_ | My .bashrc has a line like that (PATH=/my/new/paths/:$PATH) |
| 19:18:31 | Soap | I thought I had done that originally, then saw my path was a mile long a few days later. |
| 19:19:00 | linuxstb_ | Then something is odd in your setup. |
| 19:19:06 | linuxstb_ | .bashrc should just be run once. |
| 19:19:42 | Soap | I mean after loggin in a dozen times. I appear to have a worse memory than Scooter Libby. |
| 19:19:51 | Soap | *logging |
| 19:20:01 | BigMac | Soap: Uhh aren't those two lines the same? |
| 19:20:13 | Soap | oops, bad copy |
| 19:20:32 | Soap | alias getsvn='svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox' |
| 19:21:06 | BigMac | ok |
| 19:21:08 | Soap | (half my programs are "select to copy" and half are "Ctrl-C to copy" - I make that mistake a lot.) |
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| 19:30:12 | BigMac | no problem (happens to me all the time too:P) |
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| 19:40:21 | BigMac | where do I execute the rockboxdev.sh script in |
| 19:40:29 | BigMac | like what location in the folder |
| 19:42:21 | Soap | just go to the tools directory and ./rockboxdev.sh |
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| 20:03:13 | Soap | How hard would it be to compile a build for my iPod, but not compile the Database? |
| 20:03:39 | obo | Theres a define for it now isn't there? |
| 20:03:42 | Soap | Where in the code do I need to (I assume) remove the def that my player can do Database? |
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| 20:04:36 | Soap | I've been looking for the define, but I haven't found it yet. Just been plodding along in whatever files looked plausable in my own uninformed way. |
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| 20:07:25 | barrywardell | Soap: it's called HAVE_TAGCACHE and it's defined in the config-*.h files |
| 20:07:26 | linuxstb | It's HAVE_TAGCACHE in firmware/export/config-xxxxx.h |
| 20:07:34 | * | linuxstb lost again |
| 20:07:41 | obo | HAVE_TAGCACHE in /firmware/export/config-[target].h ?? |
| 20:07:41 | Soap | thank you both. |
| 20:08:11 | Soap | I asked too soon. |
| 20:09:08 | Soap | I had just finished reading through /firmware/target/arm and /firmware/include as I thought those looked promising. |
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| 20:12:44 | Soap | and do all targets use config.h as well? |
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| 20:18:46 | {Ithaycu} | hello |
| 20:20:28 | {Ithaycu} | I'm trying to compile from source of daily build 20070303 |
| 20:20:52 | BigMac | Am I supposed to have more then three files in my "build" folder |
| 20:21:04 | {Ithaycu} | The compile process fails at the linker step |
| 20:21:27 | BigMac | I have a whole ton of other files |
| 20:22:11 | {Ithaycu} | AFAIK that is normal |
| 20:23:42 | Slasheri | Soap: why would you want remove that? |
| 20:24:18 | Slasheri | for ipods you wouldn't gain anything by doing that |
| 20:24:36 | BigMac | what is the name of the logo file so I could replace it with my own |
| 20:26:27 | {Ithaycu} | The specific error I get is " /usr/local/src/rockbox-20070303/build/apps/settings_list.o:(.data+0x88): undefined reference to `__compound_literal.4' " |
| 20:27:19 | pearldiver | does anyone know how to fix the scroll margins patch for the latest svn by any chance |
| 20:27:20 | pearldiver | ? |
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| 20:27:42 | Kronuz | hello again :) |
| 20:27:54 | Soap | Slasheri: removing tagcache I ASSume will remove the entry from the Root/Main Menu as well as free up a K or two of precious audio buffer ;) (I don't use it anyway) |
| 20:27:59 | Kronuz | hey, how's iPod G5 support in ROCKBox? |
| 20:28:19 | Soap | Kronuz: good enough for most people. |
| 20:28:32 | Kronuz | if I remember correctly it still had some issues a few months ago (wasted more battery, etc. than the original iPod's firmware) |
| 20:28:42 | Kronuz | is that still the case? |
| 20:28:44 | Soap | most those issues are still there. |
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| 20:28:55 | Kronuz | I see |
| 20:29:18 | Kronuz | hey Soap, if you had the chance which player would you buy? |
| 20:29:34 | Soap | In general or for Rockbox? |
| 20:29:43 | Kronuz | both |
| 20:29:56 | Kronuz | I'm thinking of buying one right now |
| 20:30:06 | Kronuz | (I'll probably sell my iPod) |
| 20:30:17 | desowin | I would buy Sansa now instead of iPod |
| 20:30:25 | Soap | In general _I_ would buy an iPod 5G again. I keep hardware forever and the iPod should be the easiest one to find replacement parts and accessories for 6 years from now. |
| 20:30:40 | pearldiver | if you dont need to do any recordings and listen to FM - toshiba gigabeat is a nice choice |
| 20:31:05 | pearldiver | (while they still last out there) |
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| 20:31:35 | Soap | For Rockbox, if you want all the eye-candy and to save some cash I would buy a Gigabeat. If you want basic audio done right I would buy a iAudio X5. If you want recording I would buy a iRiver H1xx or maybe a H3xx. |
| 20:31:38 | Kronuz | what about the Archos? |
| 20:32:01 | Soap | If you want monster hard drive at the expense of size and codec support Archos is the only way. |
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| 20:35:02 | Kronuz | where does ROCKbox work better? |
| 20:36:20 | Soap | on all but the portaplayer targets. ;) |
| 20:36:54 | Soap | meaning any of the proper targets outside the iPods and H10 series should be pretty darn good. |
| 20:38:08 | Kronuz | who's got the Archos 604 WiFi? |
| 20:38:47 | Kronuz | that internet connectivity looks great |
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| 20:44:36 | obo | {Ithaycu}: which version of GCC are you using? |
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| 21:15:53 | Kronuz | arghh! what do I buy!? |
| 21:15:55 | Kronuz | :P |
| 21:16:18 | Kronuz | Archos, iPod, iRiver? |
| 21:17:00 | Soap | i think I laid out pretty clearly what I see as the advantages of each major line. |
| 21:17:31 | linuxstb | Kronuz: What format are your audio files, and how big a disk do you need? |
| 21:17:45 | Kronuz | most of my music is in Mp3 |
| 21:17:58 | Kronuz | and I'd like to have a few DivX movies |
| 21:18:12 | Kronuz | the Archos 604 WiFi looks great, but it only has 30GB |
| 21:18:22 | Kronuz | if it had at least 60G... |
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| 21:18:45 | linuxstb | Rockbox doesn't run on any of the current Archos devices. |
| 21:19:20 | Kronuz | yeah, that's what I saw :( |
| 21:19:30 | Kronuz | but I liked the internet connectivity |
| 21:19:44 | Kronuz | only it has a small HD.. |
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| 21:40:09 | chrisjs169 | I was just trying all the themes in rockbox on my Sansa e250, and it froze with 'Data abort at 00040874' |
| 21:40:30 | BigMac | Two quick questions,do I place patches in /home/mike/rockbox or in /home/mike/rockbox/build and where is the file misc.c located |
| 21:40:50 | Soap | BigMac: place the patches wherever you want. |
| 21:41:03 | Soap | when you use the patch command you just include the path to said patches. |
| 21:41:34 | BigMac | oh I thought I read it had to be included in the source folder |
| 21:42:16 | Soap | wherever, they don't do anything based upon position, they are used only when you use the patch command. |
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| 21:45:49 | jhMikeS | what's the DC in on an archos...I seem to have gotten all my adapters mixed up. I think the one I was using says 9v +tip and fits it. |
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| 21:46:44 | BigMac | ok I found the misc.c file myself, but when I replace the logo (its dimensions are 320x96x16) can I replace it with a fullscreen logo being 320x240x24 |
| 21:46:56 | {Ithaycu} | obo: I'm using gcc 4.1.2 |
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| 21:48:05 | Soap | {Ithaycu}: 4.0.3 is the current recomended version of arm-elf |
| 21:48:19 | jhMikeS | my iAudio and iRiver adapters are _not_ mixed up with anything else btw ... not a chance |
| 21:48:25 | Llorean | BigMac: The screen is only 16-bit. |
| 21:48:45 | Soap | and sh-elf. m68k-elf = 3.4.6, |
| 21:48:52 | {Ithaycu} | obo: Sorry I was looking at the X86_64 ver of gcc |
| 21:49:14 | {Ithaycu} | obo: I'm running arm-elf-gcc 4.0.2 |
| 21:49:29 | Soap | (the recomended version might be different for 64 bit machines) |
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| 21:50:04 | obo | yeah, as Soap said, you need arm-elf-gcc 4.0.3 |
| 21:51:44 | {Ithaycu} | obo: thx, I'll track that down and give it a go |
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| 21:53:01 | BigMac | Llorean: Then how can a wps graphic be 24? |
| 21:54:40 | Llorean | BigMac: When they're loaded they're converted. |
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| 21:55:56 | BigMac | Llorean: Ok but do I have to save it as 320x96 or can I make it full screen if I edited the file already |
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| 21:56:44 | Llorean | It's possible to use a full screen image there, though since the image is started some pixels down from the top of the screen you'd need to reposition it. |
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| 21:59:43 | dionoea | barrywardell: are you still working on USB support for the pp targets ? |
| 21:59:44 | BigMac | yah, there was a topic on the forum on how you have to change some line from 0,10 to 0,0 |
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| 22:00:40 | barrywardell | dionoea: kind of. are you interested in working on it? |
| 22:01:05 | Soap | BigMac: what logo are you trying to change? |
| 22:01:21 | BigMac | Anyone know the color that is in the default bg of rockbos in hex or rgb value |
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| 22:01:52 | BigMac | Soap: THe boot screen, I just want to add like if found info. |
| 22:01:54 | Llorean | BigMac: Check the screen where you set the background color. |
| 22:02:26 | Soap | what does misc.c have to do with the boot logo? |
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| 22:03:31 | Soap | ahh, I see now. |
| 22:03:38 | BigMac | Soap::P |
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| 22:04:06 | Soap | a 24 bit bitmap will work. |
| 22:04:14 | dionoea | barrywardell: i was reading this http://www.beyondlogic.org/usbnutshell/ nice "summary" of the USB protocol. Transfers from/to the ipod in rescue mode are really too slow |
| 22:04:16 | BigMac | Well does anyone have access to an ipod or any dap right now? |
| 22:04:22 | BigMac | My battery is dead |
| 22:04:29 | BigMac | and I no longer have a sync cable |
| 22:04:30 | dionoea | so yeah, i'd be interested in helping out if you need help |
| 22:04:48 | Llorean | BigMac: If you no longer have a sync cable, how were you planning on transferring the build to it? |
| 22:04:59 | Soap | BigMac: you are talking about changing rockbox\apps\bitmaps\native\rockboxlogo.320x98x16.bmp ? |
| 22:05:06 | barrywardell | dionoea: i'd be delighted to have help. it's still a little over my head just yet |
| 22:05:15 | barrywardell | dionoea: did you see the linux driver? |
| 22:05:35 | Soap | if so just make it a 320x240 bitmap, and name it the same as it was before. And yea, make that change to misc.c |
| 22:05:41 | BigMac | Llorean: I have a laptop and my friend has a cable |
| 22:05:50 | Soap | 24 bits is a waste of size, but will work. |
| 22:06:00 | dionoea | barrywardell: not yet. where is it in the kernel tree ? |
| 22:06:04 | Llorean | Soap: It should be converted when compiled anyway |
| 22:06:11 | Llorean | BigMac: And how do you charge it regularly? |
| 22:06:19 | dionoea | barrywardell: the whole drivers/usb/ thing ? |
| 22:06:28 | BigMac | I don't obviously or I would have a full charge right now |
| 22:08:32 | barrywardell | dionoea: it's not in the kernel. there's a patch here: http://www.bitshrine.org/gpp/linux-2.6.16-mx31-usb-2.patch |
| 22:10:10 | dionoea | it's the same deviced as on the PP chip ? (or something close enough?) |
| 22:10:13 | barrywardell | dionoea: so far, I've looked at using that to create a driver for this usb stack: http://sourceforge.net/projects/lpcusb |
| 22:10:14 | dionoea | *device |
| 22:10:31 | barrywardell | dionoea: seems to be almost identical |
| 22:10:43 | barrywardell | possibly licenced by portalplayer |
| 22:11:05 | dionoea | ok |
| 22:11:42 | barrywardell | there's also a reference manual for that usb device |
| 22:11:50 | barrywardell | look on the freescale website for the i. |
| 22:11:51 | merlin2049er | HEY |
| 22:11:57 | barrywardell | i.MX31 reference manual |
| 22:12:02 | merlin2049er | anyone get songbird 2.5 working? |
| 22:12:13 | barrywardell | gtg. back in 10 minutes |
| 22:12:25 | dionoea | ok, i'll start reading :) |
| 22:13:55 | merlin2049er | anyone get songbird working? |
| 22:14:05 | merlin2049er | can't seem to stream or play mp3 stuff |
| 22:14:11 | Llorean | merlin2049er: This is #Rockbox, you may have the wrong channel |
| 22:14:27 | merlin2049er | oh sorry |
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| 22:25:49 | barrywardell | dionoea: back |
| 22:26:36 | barrywardell | dionoea: the main difference to the USB in the i.MX31 seems to be the base address - 0xc5000000 for the PP version |
| 22:27:44 | dionoea | as long that's the only difference ... |
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| 22:28:26 | barrywardell | dionoea: I also couldn't get the ULPI_VIEW stuff to work, so I suspect the transceiver may be different |
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| 22:28:46 | dionoea | so what basically needs to be done is: 1/ port the device driver and 2/ port the usb stack ? (are you doing a simple thing (only USB mass storage device) first ? or full USB OTG ?)= |
| 22:28:53 | barrywardell | and by the time rockbox boots, it's UTMI |
| 22:29:17 | barrywardell | dionoea: I've adapted the usb stack I linked to a plugin |
| 22:29:28 | barrywardell | not full otg, just device mode |
| 22:29:35 | dionoea | ok, great :) |
| 22:29:48 | billytwowilly | Thanks a lot guys, I was all set to buy an ipod nano, and now you guys are making progress on the e200 port so I have to hold off;) |
| 22:30:03 | barrywardell | i also adapted the linux driver to the usb stack, but couldn't get it to work :( |
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| 22:30:35 | dionoea | oh ok, so it's just some fine tuning to do ? |
| 22:30:50 | dionoea | like figuring out the apropriate addresses ? |
| 22:31:02 | barrywardell | fine tuning is a bit of an understatement. i'm not really sure how far off it is |
| 22:31:17 | dionoea | :) |
| 22:31:34 | BigMac | http://rafb.net/p/mY3Yi622.html |
| 22:31:47 | BigMac | whats am I supposed to patch |
| 22:32:08 | dionoea | barrywardell: can i download a patch with what you've already done somewhere ? |
| 22:32:13 | Llorean | BigMac: First, it tells you what files. Second, I thought the KoC were supposed to be installed with -p1 |
| 22:32:28 | barrywardell | dionoea: i'll get something together for you now... |
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| 22:32:31 | BigMac | oh ok |
| 22:32:39 | dionoea | barrywardell: thanks. |
| 22:32:47 | Soap | I think KoC is out of sync again. |
| 22:33:16 | Llorean | Soap: I wouldn't be surprised. |
| 22:33:23 | Llorean | I don't really see any reason for him to be constantly syncing it. |
| 22:34:00 | Soap | meaning that as proof-of-concept the point has been made? |
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| 22:34:23 | Llorean | Meaning that those who are actually working on the patch can sync it themselves if it falls too far behind |
| 22:35:38 | BigMac | hmm I just want to find a patch to apply that will work so I have something to test |
| 22:36:04 | Llorean | BigMac: I thought you were modifying it yourself anyway, plus you can compile unpatched. |
| 22:36:05 | Soap | 5495 was synced last time I tried. |
| 22:37:05 | BigMac | Llorean: I just wanted to apply a few patches. I have already made a few clean builds |
| 22:38:30 | BigMac | There is already a claendar built into rockbox under plugins? |
| 22:38:37 | BigMac | I have never seen it |
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| 22:40:54 | BigMac | Alright well it looks like I will just be applying this fullscreen logo, I just had to change the line apply the image and make right |
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| 22:42:14 | Soap | configure, then make |
| 22:42:14 | linuxstb | When changing bitmaps, it's sometimes necessary to do a "make clean" before the make. |
| 22:44:47 | BigMac | well it went through make fine so I think it worked |
| 22:45:00 | Soap | when a patch fails, and the error is "Hunk #2 FAILED at 156." - does that mean line 156? And if so is that line 156 of the patch or line 156 of the target file? |
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| 22:45:45 | Bagder | it is line 156 |
| 22:45:57 | Bagder | and I think it means in the target file |
| 22:46:03 | Llorean | Yeah, it's the target file |
| 22:46:09 | Llorean | Or always has lined up with the target file, for me. |
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| 22:46:37 | barrywardell | dionoea: here you go: barrywardell.net/assets/files/rockbox-usb.patch">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/rockbox-usb.patch and http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/usb-pp-30-1-2007.tar.gz |
| 22:47:16 | barrywardell | dionoea: you may want to cripple the current usb code (in firmware/target/arm/usb-pp.c) before using it |
| 22:47:36 | barrywardell | the guts of my changes are in the usbhw_arc.* files in the usb-pp plugin |
| 22:48:15 | barrywardell | and I have to apologize in advance for the mess that is that code |
| 22:48:35 | dionoea | hehe, don't worry about that |
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| 22:55:21 | dionoea | barrywardell: ok, i'll try building that. Once that's done what do you suggest that i have a look at ? |
| 22:58:46 | dionoea | gra ... i hate it when my ipod takes for ever to unmount |
| 22:58:49 | Soap | ok, I think I manually synced KoCOP. How do I write the patch? |
| 22:59:00 | dionoea | svn diff ? |
| 22:59:04 | Soap | patch -p0 > PatchName.patch? |
| 22:59:13 | dionoea | Soap: not really :) |
| 22:59:16 | petur | more like < |
| 22:59:20 | barrywardell | dionoea: you can try play with the plugin a bit |
| 22:59:28 | dionoea | i'll do that right now |
| 22:59:36 | Kasperle | Soap: you want diff, not patch ;) |
| 22:59:39 | Soap | I thought < was to apply and > was to write. |
| 22:59:46 | Bagder | Soap: diff -u olddir newdir > moo.patch |
| 22:59:50 | dionoea | diff -u produces patches |
| 22:59:56 | dionoea | but "svn diff" makes it easier |
| 22:59:57 | petur | heh I thought you wanted to patch |
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| 23:00:18 | barrywardell | dionoea: I suggest then having a look at the usbhw_arc.* files |
| 23:00:21 | Bagder | "svn diff > patch" is easier indeed |
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| 23:01:00 | barrywardell | dionoea: and try to figure out what's going on |
| 23:01:50 | dionoea | barrywardell: what do the dr_controller_{setup,run}() menu entries do in the plugin ? ( read the source ? :p ) |
| 23:02:04 | Soap | svn up |
| 23:02:06 | Soap | oops |
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| 23:03:11 | bluebrother | hmm. Can the h100 record and playback at the same time? |
| 23:03:27 | Llorean | There's a feature request for mixing the line in with the output. |
| 23:03:34 | dionoea | barrywardell: shouldn't the plugin disable switching back to rescue mode ? |
| 23:03:36 | barrywardell | dionoea: they were the first things I implemented |
| 23:03:48 | dionoea | or do i need to disable that myself somewhere in the rockbox core ? |
| 23:03:52 | barrywardell | setup is a kind of init |
| 23:04:06 | Soap | If this works it was easy as easy can get. |
| 23:04:09 | barrywardell | run should be run on usb connection |
| 23:05:15 | bluebrother | Llorean, yes, but is it possible doing digital recording and playback at the same time? I.e. not analog mixing |
| 23:05:44 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I believe so - I think I remember preglow talking about implementing real-time effects. |
| 23:06:03 | linuxstb | Which implies simultaneous record and playback. |
| 23:06:13 | barrywardell | dionoea: use something like this for firmware/target/arm/usb-pp.c: http://pastebin.ca/380236 |
| 23:06:32 | dionoea | i just #if 0 ed it out |
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| 23:07:03 | barrywardell | that should work either |
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| 23:07:29 | barrywardell | the "Enable MSC mode" option in the menu is what we're aiming at getting working |
| 23:07:46 | barrywardell | that takes care of dr_controller_setup and dr_controller_run |
| 23:07:49 | dionoea | ok. What does MSC stand for btw ? |
| 23:07:55 | dionoea | Mass Storage Controller ? |
| 23:08:03 | barrywardell | Mass Storage C... |
| 23:08:08 | barrywardell | I don't know what the c is |
| 23:08:11 | linuxstb | Class? |
| 23:08:19 | barrywardell | sounds reasonable |
| 23:09:11 | barrywardell | dionoea: also, I should point out that that linux driver is a full OTG driver. The only relevant stuff for device mode is in the files arcotg_ucd.* |
| 23:09:26 | barrywardell | sorry, arcotg_udc.* |
| 23:09:30 | dionoea | k |
| 23:10:23 | dionoea | oops, i forgot to disable usb detect :/ |
| 23:10:28 | Soap | does anyone want to test/look at my KoCOP sync, or should I test it myself and place it on the tracker if it works? |
| 23:11:12 | dionoea | hum, how do i tell it to go back to rescue mode durring boot ? |
| 23:12:32 | * | dionoea looks at the documentation |
| 23:13:03 | dionoea | bbl |
| 23:13:07 | linuxstb | I don't understand your question. By "rescue mode",you mean disk mode? |
| 23:13:14 | dionoea | yeah :) |
| 23:13:24 | linuxstb | Are we talking ipods, or something else? |
| 23:13:28 | dionoea | yes |
| 23:13:31 | dionoea | i'll be back in 20 minutes |
| 23:14:45 | bluebrother | linuxstb, thanks. |
| 23:14:59 | ompaul | is the remote for the iaudio rockboxable or some such? |
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| 23:18:39 | Llorean | Yeah, according to the Sansa at least, MSC = Mass Storage Class |
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| 23:57:55 | Soap | oh lordy the menus have changed since 12195 |
| 23:58:22 | decayedcell | ah yeah Soap I got an malformed patch error at line 366 with kocop11.3 |
| 23:58:32 | Soap | poop |
| 23:58:41 | decayedcell | whats it supposed to mean lol |
| 23:58:53 | decayedcell | the patch *appears* to be correct |
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