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#rockbox log for 2007-03-03

00:00:38pixelmabut that's completely personal preference - for some reason iCatcher seems more mature to me
00:00:55pixelma(in development)
00:01:35markunpixelma: maybe it also depends on the target, I only tried it on my Gigabeat
00:01:46bluebrotherRockboxed doesn't use all features available −− it's 1bit on h100
00:02:08bluebrotheroh, it's missing a rwps
00:02:35pixelmamarkun: yes, probably. I've never tried but I didn't like the Archos screenshots in the wiki much
00:02:49markunI think I heard something about Rockboxed update in the tracker, let me check
00:03:08markunhm, nothing
00:03:11dionoeaany idea if it's normal that i get "/home/dionoea/rockbox/toolchain/sh1/lib/gcc/sh-elf/4.0.3/../../../../sh-elf/bin/ld: region FLASH is full (/home/dionoea/rockbox/build/archos/apps/rombox.elf section .rodata)" when compiling for archos recorder ?
00:03:22*bluebrother prefers iCatcher because of the smaller font and uses a completely one for daily use
00:03:35pixelmamarkun: the icons become too big and important there
00:03:58pixelmadionoea: check the build table
00:03:59dionoeai'll see if i can disable building rombox since i can't even use it
00:04:21bluebrothericons have become important? Oh.
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00:04:53pixelmabluebrother: I meant the Rockboxed theme for Archos
00:04:55dionoeahum, same error on the build table
00:05:05pixelmarombox is broken for a while now...
00:05:20dionoeawell i don't use it but i'd like to compile the other stuff too :)
00:05:39bluebrotherthe icons are nice, but with bigger fonts they look quite strange.
00:06:19nlsbluebrother: We have been using the default settings for screenshots, and we should, but the default should change IMO :-)
00:06:30pixelmabluebrother: on Archos there's a big dark block on the bottom with the icons - I like that iCatcher is "lighter"
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00:06:57AaronDo all Archos jukebox's and recorders have the same size screen?
00:07:16pixelmaalmost - only the Player is different
00:07:19AaronIn all the pictures I've been seeing of Archos JBR's the screen looks taller than the WPS makes them seem
00:07:22bluebrotherpixelma: the black block is also present on h100. I don't too like that
00:07:45pixelmaAaron: of all rockboxable Archos of course
00:08:15barrywardelli think the idea was to continue developing rockboxed to a state where everyone liked it and then switch to that as the default
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00:08:36AaronI'm planning on winning this Ebay auction for an Archos FM Recorder but I want to get a bigger hd for it but I'm not sure which brand to go with
00:08:36barrywardellalthough I doubt we'll ever reach a stage where everyone likes it :P
00:08:37pixelmaAaron: that's because the actual display has rectangular pixels - something that you cannot simulate in the screenshots
00:09:14bluebrotherhmm. Maybe I find some motivation to play around with it ;-)
00:09:16pixelmawidth = 80% of height
00:09:17AaronSo is the WPS going to look worse than it does on the WPS gallery I'm guessing because of the stretching?
00:10:06pixelmathey'll look different of course. If it's better or worse you can only see on target
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00:10:32AaronDo you have an reccomendations for a HD replacement? I see Toshiba makes a 200gig hd but I'm not sure if its compatible or not
00:10:40pixelmawhen I made graphics for the screen I try take that into account
00:11:47scorcheAaron: keep in mind that for HD above 137 gigs, you need to compile your own build and you will have to take the HD out of the device in order to access those sectors
00:11:53pixelmaAaron: I don't know much about the HD-based ones - but maybe this wiki article can be interesting
00:12:18AaronYeah I've seen that about having to have 2 partitions to store your music
00:12:26scorcheand keep in mind that the lower the RPM, the better in a portable device
00:12:49Aaronwill I notice any performance decrease between 4200 vs. 5400 rpm?
00:12:50dionoeaanyone know if there is a simple way to disable building rombox when building for the recorder target ?
00:12:58scorcheyou wont
00:13:07scorchebattery life is all that matters really
00:13:41scorchedionoea: why do you need to? should just spout an error, but it is not a fatal one
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00:13:53dionoeascorche: it stops the build
00:13:56pixelmadionoea: I think you can simply ignore the warnings - you'll have the build just not rombox
00:14:04scorcheit shouldnt stop it...
00:14:09dionoeaor maybe it was just the last thing that it's supposed to build ?
00:14:15scorcheit only stops the building or rombox
00:14:16AaronDo SATA hd work in the Archos?
00:14:32bluebrothercan't you just disable tagcache with a define?
00:14:37AaronI need an IDE right?
00:14:48bluebrotheryou need a 2.5" IDE drive
00:14:50scorcheATA, yes
00:15:08scorchethey call it too many names...ide, ata, pata, etc =/
00:15:33scorcheAaron: i would look at power consumption charts and see where that puts drives
00:15:35pixelmadionoea: yes that's the last thing it needs
00:15:42pixelma(would need)
00:16:03AaronSo I want an ATA100 as opposed to the SATA 150
00:16:08dionoeaI'll try installing it see if it works
00:16:21scorcheas we said...SATA will not work..
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00:16:43AaronSo I'll compare the Hitachi to WD to Seagate and see which has the best power consumption
00:16:43*bluebrother just looks at Rockboxed on the nano sim and understands the idea behind it ... yellow :)
00:17:01hcsyellow is an idea?
00:17:13pixelmadionoea: it will, the builds are just missing the rombox.ucl
00:17:16bluebrotherno, it's black on some yellow-orangish
00:17:27scorcheAaron: well, there are other factors, but power consumption is a big one
00:17:27bluebrotherthe logo colors
00:17:49bluebrother... but some of those icon border stuff could get emulated for the 2bpp targets
00:17:51dionoeapixelma: hum, i don't have ajbrec.ajz here ... is there some special option to tell make not to halt on errors ?
00:18:15AaronI don't get why RPM has anything to do with it. Isn't it either the HD is faster and consumes more, or slower and consumes less over a longer perio of time?
00:18:22bluebrotherIMO Rockboxed looks quite poor on greyscale LCDs
00:18:37bluebrotherdionoea: make -k ?
00:18:38dionoearuning "make bin" fixed it
00:18:39pixelmadionoea: did you "make zip" - maybe you need to do that again in the end
00:18:55scorcheAaron: the speed will not matter on that device for that purpose and only serves to suck up more juice
00:19:17AaronWhat about ATA6 verse ATA100?
00:19:23barrywardellbluebrother: yeah, looking at the screenshots I have to agree. but it looks nice on colour LCD
00:19:40bluebrotherATA6 is a protocoll, while ATA100 describes the speed
00:19:58bluebrotherbarrywardell: I agree after looking on it with a color sim ;-)
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00:23:04bluebrotherhow can I enter a hidden folder using the GTK file chooser?
00:23:15markunbarrywardell, bluebrother: maybe you have some suggestions on how to improve it on the grayscale targets?
00:23:32bluebrothermarkun: sure. Use greyscales ;-)
00:23:42barrywardelli think it's mainly the bar on the bottom
00:23:46*linuxstb would vote for iCatcher over Rockboxed as the default theme
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00:23:59bluebrotherlooks like the 2bpp targets simply use b/w images. I want to try make it grey instead of black
00:24:17pixelmathe Rockboxed theme has a nice idea with the references to the Rockbox logo (some nice details) but for non-colour screens seems to not work quite right
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00:24:47linuxstbI just think the orange/black don't work full-screen.
00:24:59*|Rincewind| just loaded rockboxed and tries to figure out what the bottom of the screen could mean
00:25:00linuxstbNice as a logo, but not everywhere.
00:25:04*pixelma agrees with linuxstb
00:25:13DwylocIt maybe just me but I can’t seem to find the “Resume On Startup” option in the playback menu any longer on my ipod nano. Has it been moved as part of the new menu system or root menu patch?
00:25:37|Rincewind|Dwyloc: look at general settings -> system
00:25:45scorcheanother person with those apostrophes....
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00:26:01barrywardelli think it could still do with some work. there's too much orange
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00:26:04pixelmascorche: they are even worse here
00:26:10barrywardellbut with a bit more tweaking it could look nice
00:26:15scorchepixelma: indeed
00:26:15DerPapstlinuxstb: can you do me a favour? can you compile this for OSX (universal binary) and make a dmg file?
00:26:42linuxstbDerPapst: Only if you give me a .zip instead of a .rar
00:26:55linuxstb(or tgz)
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00:27:16bluebrotheraaah. Muuuch better with a grey bar.
00:27:47DwylocI guess the manual must be out of date:(
00:27:54DerPapstlinuxstb: :)
00:28:09linuxstbDerPapst: Much better :)
00:28:11bluebrotherDwyloc: the manual is out of date since the menu rework
00:28:22bluebrotherjust set the startup screen to playback now.
00:28:30pixelmabarrywardell: see that's what I mean with mature - iCatcher (ok to me) looks quite nice on all screens at the moment
00:28:40bluebrotherwhich makes a specific resume setting superfluous
00:29:00linuxstbThe one thing I don't like about iCatcher is that it's greyscale. A small amount of colour would be nice.
00:29:02pixelmawhereas Rockboxed doesn't (especially on mine)
00:29:31nlsDwyloc: set start screen to resume playback even, and thanks for reminding me to kill the old resume option in the manual :-)
00:29:48*linuxstb posted a patch to make iCatcher the default theme on all targets
00:29:50|Rincewind|I think that iCatcher is a little bit complicated
00:30:15|Rincewind|but certainly better than the current default theme
00:30:23barrywardellis iCatcher available on all targets?
00:30:23Llorean|Rincewind|: It's better than rockbox_default, and not too many themes have been submitted the proper way that are all-platform.
00:30:25pixelmathat's also true with the animation
00:30:44DwylocSorry I still cant see the option. It dose not seem to be any ware obvious.
00:30:53pixelmabarrywardell: yes - only not for the Player ;)
00:31:04LloreanDwyloc: It's the option to set your startup screen.
00:31:05*markun still votes for Rockboxed
00:31:36|Rincewind|Dwyloc: Menu -> Settings -> general settings -> system -> start screen -> Resume Playback
00:31:41barrywardelli quite like both, but lean slightly towards Rockboxed (with some tweaks)
00:31:51LloreanRockboxed is too orange for me.
00:31:51linuxstbmarkun: Even in it's current state?
00:31:58barrywardelleither is better than what's there at the moment
00:32:04markunbut anythning other than the current default look will probably be an improvement on most targets
00:32:11LloreanI would _much_ rather see it inversed (black backdrop, orange text)
00:32:17markunlinuxstb: yes, I use it in it's current state
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00:32:28|Rincewind|rockbox looks awful on black and white. The only positive is the big font
00:32:33|Rincewind|*rockboxed I mean
00:32:40*pixelma still doesn't like the Archos variants - there even the defaul looks better
00:33:01barrywardellLlorean: that would be interesting
00:33:13Lloreanbarrywardell: See the Cabbie theme in the Gigabeat WPS Gallery.
00:33:23barrywardellpixelma: but I assume rockbox_default was made with the Archos in mind
00:33:42DwylocOK Ive have got it thanks. But putting it under Start Screen dose not make that much sence to me.
00:34:18LloreanDwyloc: Well, we're sorry to hear that, but it makes perfect sense to us since all it is now is part of the choice of which screen the player will start on when you turn it on.
00:34:27pixelmayes - but why shouldn't Rockboxed be able to do the same. iCatcher has proven that it is possible
00:34:33DwylocI would have expected the screen name to be WPS or something.
00:34:44|Rincewind|well, it is the screen that is there when rockbox starts. Should be called "WPS" for consitency, but then nobody understands it.
00:35:15DwylocIts just that the menu is called start screen
00:35:24barrywardellLlorean: i quite like that
00:35:58barrywardellthe gigabeat has quite a few nice themes
00:36:13|Rincewind|Dwyloc: do you have a better suggestion?
00:37:14AaronThis Seagate HD I'm looking at says ATA-6? Is that more ideal than ATA-100?
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00:37:41nlsAaron: as someone said before they are 2 differnt things
00:37:42scorche<bluebrother> ATA6 is a protocoll, while ATA100 describes the speed
00:37:44Lloreanbarrywardell: That one fits my personal mostly minimalist needs, and I think a theme on a black backdrop looks very sleek for the color targets.
00:37:45pixelmabtw... the Rockboxed theme looks broken atm on Archos
00:38:17DwylocDose "WPS (Resume Playback)" sound any better to other people?
00:38:32LloreanDwyloc: Where?
00:38:39AaronSorry, but ATA-6 will work for the Archos
00:38:42DwylocAt least it would feel more consistant to me.
00:39:02Dwylocstill under the startup screen.
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00:39:10scorcheAaron: ata protocols are designed to be backwards-compatible
00:39:28DwylocI think it would make sence as long as the manual is updated.
00:39:35LloreanDwyloc: How does "Resume Playback" fail to describe what you want it to do at start up, though?
00:39:45AaronOkay so I'll get this one. Should I care about a 12.5 ms Seek time compared to an 11 ms on another?
00:40:01bluebrotherok, what do you think?
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00:40:19scorcheLlorean: it is more an issue of how in that screen, you are choosing a screen...not what to do on startup
00:40:37|Rincewind|the 12.5 ms or 11 ms seek time is optimistic anyway, I don't think you would notice a difference
00:40:51DwylocIt more that if feels inconsistant and some who looks wrong to me.
00:40:53Lloreanscorche: Indeed. I think the fact that the option is presented as a screen choice, rather than action choice, is more the problem to me.
00:41:06scorcheAaron: honestly, no offense meant, but do you have to nitpick on every single spec? ;)
00:41:38LloreanDwyloc: Putting both WPS and (Resume Playback) is just as inconsistent because then it is the only option with a subtext, and an unnecessary one.
00:42:16AaronI just want to make sure I'm getting the appropriate HD. This Seagate is more than others but its supposed to be extremely quiet and reliable
00:42:23|Rincewind|bluebrother: looks certainly better
00:42:36AaronI'm going to order it and get a 2.5 to 3.5 adapter since I know I have to put music I'm not going to touch on the second partition of the drive
00:42:47barrywardellbluebrother: looks like an improvement, but hard to tell when it's not on the device
00:43:05LloreanDwyloc: Replacing it with just "While Playing Screen" would be far more of a consistency gain, if it comes to that.
00:43:26scorcheLlorean: changing it to an action would be better imo...browse tree, radio, browse database, resume playback, record, etc
00:43:49Lloreanscorche: Exactly. "Start Action" and then some actions. Sounds more affirmative to me anyway.
00:43:59bluebrotheranyway, I think it's a good start.
00:44:25DwylocLlorean: I also think it would be nice to still have the resume playback option in the playback menu and just change the playback screen option when ever its selected, but While Playing screen dose sound alot better to me.
00:44:31scorcheperhaps i should make a patch to do that
00:44:37bluebrotherI will try playing around with it over the weekend. Now as I already opened those 20+ files in Gimp ;-)
00:44:53LloreanDwyloc: That isn't the "Playback Menu"
00:45:11scorcheDwyloc: duplicate entries, arent good
00:45:30Lloreanscorche: By the way, does "Resume Playback" to you seem at all like it should resume FM listening? There's a complaint about it not doing so on Flyspray, but the word playback itself to me means playing back of something, ie prerecorded audio.
00:45:40|Rincewind|and it is always a good thing to remove a setting from the "playback menu" it is too crowded anyway
00:45:48Lloreanscorche: I think he means "Leave it in the root menu as is, don't change it to say WPS there"
00:45:58scorcheLlorean: playback shouldnt have anything to do with radio imo
00:46:00pixelmabluebrother: do you plan to commit something wrt Rockboxed
00:46:12scorcheLlorean: in other words, i am in agreement
00:46:41Lloreanscorche: Okay, good to hear. Sometimes I'm very anal about word meanings, but the general consensus is 'eh, it could mean that in a vague enough sense'
00:47:06bluebrotherpixelma: depends on what I get. I haven't descrambled the wps code yet, so I don't know if I missed some bitmaps or changed some wrong ones
00:47:08scorcheLlorean: i am very literal as well ;)
00:47:20bluebrotherjust wanted to get a first impression. And that tells me to try harder ;-)
00:48:01pixelmabluebrother: ok - I got at least one change in mind for the Archos (now that I looked on it) - maybe it would be good not to make too many commits out of it
00:49:46barrywardellLlorean: there was talk about resume should bring you to the fm screen here earlier
00:50:03barrywardellit was suggested to the guy to file a bug report
00:50:32scorcheyou dont "playback" the radio though
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00:52:04barrywardellno, but that's more a matter of what the menu item is called rather than what it should do
00:52:26Lloreanbarrywardell: Well, not according to the bug report he posted
00:52:30AaronThanks for the help with the HD
00:52:38barrywardelli haven't seen the bugreport
00:52:47barrywardelli'm just going on what was said earlier
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00:52:51*barrywardell checks fs
00:52:58DwylocOn the toppic of the playback menu I also feel that "ID3 Tag Priority" and "Replaygain" don't belong there.
00:53:18scorchewhen you enter the radio screen, does it go to the last frequency it was at last?
00:53:20LloreanBesides, it wouldn't be a 'bug' if it's a case of the wrong text being there, it would be a feature request.
00:53:27pixelmascorche: yes
00:53:50LloreanDwyloc: Both of those are options _only_ relevant to playback of files, so make sense there.
00:53:57LloreanDwyloc: They're both dependent upon metadata
00:54:09scorchethen why does it matter at all?...resume playback will resume playback of files....if you set to radio, it will "resume" anyway
00:54:16LloreanDwyloc: That being said, some of us feel that at least Replaygain belongs elsewhere, and the menus are a topic of heavy debate.
00:54:20|Rincewind|what do you think of this WPS? This is my personal wps, do you think it is worth uploading?
00:54:34DwylocI think that ID3 Tag Priority feels more like a database view option.
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00:54:59scorcheDwyloc: it doesnt have much to do with database
00:55:09LloreanDwyloc: It doesn't only affect the database, and is useful even for uses who don't even use it. It would be silly to imply that it was only useful for the database.
00:55:12scorcheDwyloc: it refers to more what the info on the WPS is
00:55:36linuxstbDerPapst: I think you should modify the version string for your ipodpatcher to distinguish it from the original, and also to say which version of loader2 you've embedded.
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00:56:42DwylocLlorean: OK it just looks a bit out of place with most of the other options
00:56:44DerPapstlinuxstb: ok
00:56:53scorcheit really should be startup action rather than startup screen
00:57:22DerPapstlinuxstb: can you change it to #define VERSION "0.8 with iPL Loader 2.5d6 SVN-1409"
00:57:25bluebrotherscorche: sounds good
00:57:42linuxstbDerPapst: Sure.
00:57:51DerPapstlinuxstb: thanks :)
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00:58:28DwylocScorche: yes I thimk that makes more sence.
01:01:54pixelmabluebrother: when you commit something could you please remove the additional spaces in front and at the end of the lines with artist, song, album, genre in the Archos version - these make the lines start scrolling too easily and when they do it looks ugly
01:02:43LloreanWhy are there extra spaces?
01:03:21pixelmaI guess he wanted to have some spacing - makes sense on the colour screens but not on greyscale or mono
01:04:04LloreanI thought they were aligned center?
01:04:18markun23:15 < moll> Or anybody with a DAP with fm?
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01:04:49pixelmayes they are - maybe because of the "ends" in bidirectional scrolling (wild guess though)
01:05:03DwylocScorche: would it also make more sence to move the "startup action" menu to the up one level to the "General Setting" menu rather than the system menu?
01:05:27markunsorry, random copy pasting from my touchpad..
01:05:52LloreanDwyloc: It would make more sense to move all the "General Settings" up one level, and then leave the startup in System where it makes sense.
01:05:53DwylocScorche: as all the other options in the systems menu relate to hardware function
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01:08:02|Rincewind|Dwyloc: the whole settings menus will get reworked soon.
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01:09:56pixelmathe battery level icons (or at least some of them) are broken too in the Rockboxed-Archos-version...
01:09:59DwylocRincewind: I was guessing as much so I thought I would try and make some suggestion
01:10:01bluebrotherpixelma: won't commit anything tonight. If you don't do it before I'll try to remember tomorrow ;-)
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01:11:20*nls commits large manual update, guesses we'll see if it broke tomorrow.
01:11:21|Rincewind|Dwyloc: keep an eye on the wiki, suggestions for a new menu layout will be discussed there
01:11:24pixelmabluebrother: seems like I have to look a bit more into it than I wanted... could also post in his forum thread ;)
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01:12:36bluebrotherhe has a forum thread? Don't follow the wps things too much
01:12:50bluebrotherlast screenshot for tonight, gotta get some sleep now:
01:13:05pixelmabluebrother: I think he even started one for each screen resolution
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01:13:28bluebrotheradding a small outline to the progress bar might be a nice addition too. But not today ;-)
01:13:31pixelma(it's been a while ago)
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01:14:30pixelmanice progressbar :)
01:14:35|Rincewind|an outline how far the progress bar goes is a good idea
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01:14:48ampleyflyhmm.. my ipod mini 2nd gen isn't charged, but when I try to load it via usb it just shows a large battery, until windows says that a usb device has malfunctioned.. any ideas on what to do?
01:14:51bluebrotherTried to mimic the aqua-like look of the color version
01:14:56ampleyflyumm, charge it*
01:15:08bluebrotherbut I find it a bit irritating that there is nothing if the track starts playing
01:15:10|Rincewind|personally, I would remove the genre string and put the peakmeters in
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01:15:54ampleyflyoh, it reboots to, then freezes at the splash screen with the text (translation) "reading..."
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01:17:14bluebrotherhmm, the light grey is to light on the target.
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01:18:59bluebrotherbut it's definitely way better than before on the h100
01:19:01DwylocRincewind: OK I will keep an eye on the Wiki. Can I also request wiki write access while I am here my name is DouglasValentine.
01:19:10bluebrotheranyway, more work for tomorrow.
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01:19:28|Rincewind|Dwyloc: you can register yourself
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01:20:12DwylocI has under the empresion that I had to request write access after registering.
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01:20:49linuxstb__Dwyloc: You do. I'll add you...
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01:20:54bluebrotherDwyloc: added
01:21:06linuxstbOK, I'm too slow.
01:21:39|Rincewind|Must be new then, when I registered I could write right away
01:21:45Dwyloclinuxstb__: thanks
01:21:53pixelmabluebrother: this is how Rockboxed looks on target atm (SVN version)
01:21:54linuxstbIt's a relatively new, anti-spam prevention.
01:21:57bluebrother|Rincewind|: it has been this since quite a while
01:22:01linuxstbDwyloc: Thank bluebrother - he did it.
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01:22:27bluebrotherpixelma: uh. Not too nice.
01:22:35|Rincewind|shame on the spammers
01:22:48DwylocAs I am dyslexic I promise to use a spell checker before makeing changes :)
01:23:06bluebrotherthat black bar is irritating. But the ondio can only do 1bpp, right?
01:23:21linuxstbI think generally the status bar is too overpowering in Rockboxed.
01:23:27linuxstb(even on the larger LCDs)
01:24:02ampleyflyhey, anyone feel like helping me with my ipod charging problem?
01:24:03bluebrotherhmm. I think it's quite big but still ok on h100
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01:24:11ampleyflyor where I should ask for help otherwise?
01:24:23bluebrotherbut in all black it's too hard
01:24:36pixelmaand atm the battery level icon doesn't show up - it's been there before when the battery was more charged
01:24:45linuxstbampleyfly: I'm not sure what your problem is. How long have you left it connected and charging?
01:24:54Lloreanampleyfly: So far it sounds like your problem is happening in the Apple disk mode.
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01:25:51ampleyflywell, it starts by showing a large battery icon (not any animation, though), reboots after a while then shows the splash screen with the text "reading..."
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01:26:05ampleyflyand windows reports that it has malfunctioned.
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01:27:19linuxstbamplefly: Can you start the Apple firmware, or force your ipod into disk mode?
01:28:05ampleyflyif I start it with hold, it reboots after showing "booting original firmware..."
01:28:44ampleyflywell, it shows "Loading original firmwa", but I guess that isn't really important.
01:29:43linuxstbYes, that's a known problem on the mini - you needed to use the older install instructions when you installed.
01:29:47linuxstbWhat about disk mode?
01:30:06ampleyflywhat and how? =)
01:31:32ampleyflymy isp is having troubles at the moment aswell :/
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01:31:36ampleyflytaking a while
01:31:52linuxstbSimply put, reset with MENU+SELECT, then immediately press and hold SELECT+PLAY
01:32:24ampleyflythank you =)
01:32:54ampleyflyhmm, I thought I read the installation instructions pretty carefully, but I guess something went wrong :/
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01:38:07ampleyflylinuxstb: are the installation instructions for the mini incorrect?
01:39:15pixelmaampleyfly: which instructions are you following?
01:39:35ampleyflypixelma: I guess
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01:42:10DerPapstampleyfly: you have to use the old instructions and bootlaoder
01:42:31DerPapstwhich os are you using?
01:42:38pixelmadon't know if the manual reflects the problem with the minis ATM - afaics these are better:
01:42:46ampleyflyDerPapst: windows xp, sp2
01:42:56DerPapstthen they sould work:
01:43:26DerPapstheh.. same link :P
01:43:30ampleyflyso, umm, why are there nonworking instructions up? =)
01:44:03DerPapstsome odd problems with the new bootloaders that aren't solved yet.
01:44:05nlspixelma: the manual instructions are the new ones, so the do not work with 3G, 4G/color or minis
01:44:27linuxstbBecause the bug with the apple firmware was only discovered after the manual was updated with the newer instructions. But it would be good to remove them for now...
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01:46:54|Rincewind|is it intentional that the firware_flash plugin gets build for irivers?
01:47:02pixelmanls: thanks for the info
01:48:21linuxstb|Rincewind|: It's intentional insofar as that's what apps/plugins/SOURCES says... But it looks like an Archos-only plugin, so yes it looks like it should only be built for those targets.
01:49:15*|Rincewind| would submit a patch but thinks that's not really needed
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01:50:26linuxstb|Rincewind|: It compiles to zero bytes anyway, meaning it shouldn't be included in the
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01:50:58*|Rincewind| was just playing around with the H300 sim and would kill for a colour LCD for his H120 now
01:51:37|Rincewind|it just says "incompatible model"
01:51:43linuxstbYes, in the sim...
01:51:59linuxstbUnless you're saying it's there on your device?
01:52:30|Rincewind|it isn't there
01:52:39DerPapstgood night at all
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01:53:51|Rincewind|If I had a H300 now I would play Bejeweled and Brickmania all night...
01:54:37nlsit's easy to get addicted to that bejeweled game... but it wears off
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01:55:11|Rincewind|it wears off, but with nice graphics I would give it a try again
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01:59:01nlsroolku: you didn't add the default memorysize to the player build
01:59:04linuxstbnls: The manual seems broken - I've just tried a 4g greyscale build and it's not working.
01:59:29ampleyflyumm, so, ipod mini 4gb is the same as ipod 4gb grayscale?
01:59:31roolkunls: yes, I noticed thank
02:00:00linuxstbampleyfly: No, 4g isn't the same as 4GB.
02:00:15linuxstb4g is 4th generation.
02:00:19nlslinuxstb: ah, ok, found it, will fix
02:00:27ampleyflylinuxstb: it says 4gb =)
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02:00:35ampleyflyI can't read
02:01:09ampleyflythere's no bootloader-mini4g.bin in those instructions though
02:01:17ampleyflyit still says 2g.
02:01:22ampleyflyI'm a bit tired.
02:01:24linuxstbThat's because there's no 4th generation mini.
02:01:32linuxstbThere are two generations of mini.
02:01:40ampleyflyI'm reading gigabytes when it says generation =)
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02:11:59barrywardelllinuxstb: does this look like a reasonable fix for udelay wrapping: ? I'm waiting for gcc to compile at the moment, so I don't know if it even compiles, but it seems right to me
02:14:19linuxstbbarrywardell: The reason I mentioned the TIME_BEFORE and TIME_AFTER macros is that I think we can just use them with USEC_TIMER.
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02:14:46barrywardelllinuxstb: ah, ok. i'll look at them again
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02:23:40barrywardelllinuxstb: maybe it's late, but I can't see how TIME_AFTER or TIME_BEFORE could be used. is that not pretty much how udelay() works currently?
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02:26:52linuxstbbarrywardell: I don't understand them either, but the comment says they're wrap-safe. I think it's a combination of the casting to signed long, and subtraction that makes the difference.. But it's too late for me to think as well...
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02:28:20barrywardelllinuxstb: looks like Bagder wrote them, so I'm probably best just asking him. thanks anyway
02:30:00nlslinuxstb: could you check the buttons for the alarm screen on ipod, does the wheel change minutes, left/right hours, play −− confirm, menu −− cancel?
02:30:53ampleyflyis there any nice software for generating a random playlist of a certain size? (not itunes)
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03:02:28BigMacanyone here use ubuntu?
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03:05:39MirrorImageI tried once.
03:05:45MirrorImageI'm no good at linux. :(
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03:26:51BHSPitMonkeyMirrorImage, nah, that's just what the world did to you, with the help of MS
03:27:06BHSPitMonkeyyou can do it!
03:27:14BHSPitMonkeyyou must unlearn what you have learned!
03:36:26fejfighterhmm ineed to use that on my parents...
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04:34:27Jarhead756what are the benifits of using rockbox on my 30gb video ipod?
04:35:11decayedcellJarhead756 better sound quality, more games
04:35:43Shaidmore audio format support
04:35:45Shaidsuch as flac.
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04:35:57decayedcelland ogg
04:36:12decayedcelllol sounds like he wasn't very interested
04:37:18MirrorImageYay flac.
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06:37:09breihanjhow can i get edit access to the CreativeZVMPort page ?
06:38:09rotatorbreihanj: what's your twiki user name?
06:39:12rotatorok, you should have access now
06:39:28rotatorno problem :)
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08:15:01Aaron4Are you only able to record as MP3 on an Archos Recorder? I read the manual and it only mentioned Mp3
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08:22:36Aaron4This wiki Archos FAQ is confusing me. It says that its not possible to record from the line in?
08:22:49amiconnThe archos recorders have a 'small' cpu and leave audio encoding and decoding to a dedicated chip
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08:23:27Aaron4Please tell me that it can play FLAC files
08:23:27amiconnIt is, you're misreading it a bit. The archos _player_ can't record from the line in (because it can't record at all)
08:23:47Aaron4Well if I'm getting a Recorder FM
08:23:59amiconnThe archos records solely to mp3 and can play mp2 and mp3
08:24:30amiconnThe chip can be reprogrammed, and we have access to a loadable pcm codec for it
08:24:35scorcheAaron4: it is not a swcodec target
08:24:44Aaron4This is terrible then. I'm winning a bid on an Archos recorder and have a 160 gig hd on the way but if I can't play FLAC its all in vain
08:25:02amiconnRockbox can play wav on the archoses (except the player), but wav playback is currently only a plugin
08:25:07scorchethen it looks like you might have been asking the wrong questions
08:25:30scorcheat least you ahve flac instead of a lossy codec to make things easy to transcode
08:25:35amiconnThe pcm codec can also be used to record to wav, but that's not yet implemented
08:25:51Aaron4Is there hope to get FLAC support?
08:26:09amiconnVery very little.
08:26:41amiconnWav and aiff are definitely possible, but require some work to integrate them properly
08:27:15amiconnFor flac there are 2 options. Either someone tries to write the flac decoder in 100% asm, but even then it might be too slow
08:27:57Aaron4I guess I just assumed Rockbox file type support was pretty much the same across platforms minus video support
08:28:02amiconnOr someone needs to dive into dsp asm and write a flac decoder for the mas core
08:28:26Aaron4And i guess i figured with the Archos being around so long that FLAC had to be usable
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08:28:55Aaron4I guess I'm going to cancel my order for the HD and hope someone outbids my 110 dollar max bid on the Recorder FM
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08:29:15scorcheAaron4: well that is why it isnt good to assume and to figure things out by yourself....all *swcodec* targets have the typical "rockbox file type support", but as i said, the archos units arent swcodec
08:29:35WotchingHey, can anyone help to tell me how to apply a patch to source code and compile?
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08:29:44WotchingI have no idea how to do it.
08:29:47Aaron4Are there any players that can use the 160 gig hd other than Archos?
08:29:59scorcheWotching: see the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page
08:30:03scorcheAaron4: no
08:30:13WotchingSorche: where's that in the wiki?
08:30:14WotchingI didn't see it
08:30:35scorcheWotching: when you go to the wiki, enter that into the entry box at the top
08:31:09Aaron4Why is wav playback is only a plugin?
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08:32:00scorchebecause no one has integrated it properly into the playback engine
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08:32:25Aaron4Is that decreasing the performance of wav or making it a hassle to play wav?
08:33:17amiconnThe plugin is meant as a proof of concept, and as a preview what's possible
08:33:56Aaron4Okay well that really sucks. I maxxed out my 60gb Ipod and Best Buy shipped it out for a month so I was hoping to get a huge FLAC playing Dap
08:34:33Aaron4I guess I'll get the archos and use it to play wav files as I heard it still has a nice sound output quality
08:34:37scorchewell, you can get an archos av300 series device and help with the port
08:35:02Aaron4I don't know ASM or C but I've used VB and Delphi in the past
08:35:10scorche(but you will have to fight with me on the auctions)
08:35:26scorchewell, it could be a good opportunity to learn
08:35:32scorcheif you are willing to
08:36:15Aaron4Well unfortunately like I said the one I'm looking at is the Recorder FM and my max bid is 110. I saw one sell for 100 dollars Buy It now so maybe someone will outbid me
08:36:43Aaron4Rocbox doesn't run at all on the av300 at this point correct?
08:36:52scorcheafaik, yes
08:36:54ashridahAaron4: hm. can't you withdraw your bid on ebay?
08:37:45Aaron4Probably but i'd rather now as your supposed to have a good reason which I don't have
08:37:56Aaron4Either someones going to push me all the way to 110 or outbid me
08:38:11Aaron4Either way I'll just hope for FLAC or better Wav integration in the future
08:38:21ashridahnot knowing that it won't do what you want it to isn't a good reason?
08:38:24Aaron4At least I just canceled the 160 gb hd before it shipped
08:38:37Aaron4It was my own negligence
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08:38:59*ashridah remembers the fun he had finding a player to support his ogg collection back in 2004
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08:39:26ashridahfortunately, the iriver iHP140 had come into stock at a local store.
08:39:39ashridahcost a fortune, but still with me to this day, rockbox was just an added bonus :)
08:39:39Aaron4Why is it that the only player that can take the 160 gig hd is the Archos? I thought most other players used 2.5 inch ATA drives
08:39:58ashridahAaron4: actually, most used 1.6" or 1.8" iirc
08:40:07scorchefew do now, as the rush is for smaller devices
08:40:09ashridahthose are specialized beasts
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08:43:33Aaron4If I wanted to play an album of WAV files on the Archos would I have to select each song or could it play a playlist of WAV files?
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08:51:07Aaron4I'm guessing the WAV plugin on the Archos doesn't take you to the WPS?
08:51:27Aaron4What kind of player do you use?
08:51:38amiconnYou select a .wav, the plugin kicks in and plays it
08:52:32amiconnI have several players to choose from. My most used ones are the archos recorder and archos Ondio fm
08:52:50Aaron4Are you not that into lossless?
08:53:19amiconnWill probably switch to the iriver h1x0 as I now have it equipped with an 80GB hdd
08:53:48Aaron4And 80 is the biggest drive in the 1.6 or 1.8 size?
08:53:53amiconnFor headphone use I don't care about lossloess.
08:54:15ashridahdid 80G even come in the 1.6 size?
08:54:20ashridahthought it was 1.8 only
08:54:32amiconnI did convert my CD collection to flac, and that is one reason why I got this 80GB hdd.
08:54:38Aaron4Would the archos be able to load and play a 600 meg wav?
08:54:40amiconnI don't know of any 1.6" drives
08:55:19amiconnFlac is interesting at home, together with the h1x0's s/pdif output and a hig-quality dac in my hifi set
08:55:37scorchei find that headphone use is much more telling than speakers of subtleys such as lossy/lossless
08:55:54scorchethen again, it depends on your equipments
08:56:14Aaron4Yeah. I've got a pair of Grado's and Etymotic ER4's so I want the nicest source I can get
08:56:21amiconnNot to me, and definitely not with earphones and the crappy dacs of the newer players
08:57:01Aaron4Can the wav player on the JBR load a 600 meg file without having problems and crashing?
08:57:14amiconnAaron4: The archos will handle all file sizes within the (v)fat limits, i.e. up to 2GB
08:57:18scorchei can tell lossy vs lossless even through the ipod's amp
08:57:27amiconnscorche: Really?
08:57:40scorchei have a/b tested
08:57:56scorchejust requires good headphones
08:58:05scorchewhich is a hobby i seem to be very much into
08:58:13amiconnI can't tell any difference between wav and lame −−preset standard even on the archos with its decent dac
08:58:20Aaron4scorche- do you have any feelings on the headphone output of the JBR to an Ipod?
08:58:29scorchemuch better
08:58:49scorchealthough there cna be a bit of white noise if you use low impedance
08:59:07Aaron4Good. If I win that JBR I'll just put 25 of my favorite cd's in huge wav files and have it be a special use player
08:59:08amiconnAaron4: I tested playing CD-sized wavs to get an idea about battery runtime with wav on my recorder
08:59:26Aaron4And? Was it amazing or incredibly draining?
08:59:28scorcheamiconn: i tested with flac and both APX and 320kbps
08:59:43amiconnscorche: I guess it also depends on the music
09:00:28scorchei tested an electronic song, new wave, and rock song
09:00:46amiconnNote that I never did abx testing
09:01:09Aaron4amiconn- What happened with your CD wav test?
09:01:27amiconnI can tell 128kbps mp3 easily with most music, and often 160kbps too, but that also depends on the encoder
09:01:43amiconnAaron4: It worked fine.
09:02:21scorche192kbps just isnt even enjoyable anymore really...i know how much i miss now
09:02:27amiconnAtm I am having general problems with my archos batteries (v1 uses NiMH)
09:02:53scorchethe batteries themselves, or the connections?
09:03:00amiconnThe batteries
09:03:26amiconnNiMHs somehow always develop high self-discharge for me
09:03:43amiconnI charge the recorder, and when I use it immediately it works like a charm
09:04:06amiconnBut if I let it sit in the drawer for a few days and then try to power on -> click, off
09:04:08scorcheyeah...leave them alone for a bit and they need charging again....but i vastly prefer that to an expensive custom battery that is much harder to replace
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09:30:59supervillainHello, I got segmentation fault while partitioning the ipod, I have ipod_os_backup.fw, how do I restore it manually?
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09:53:08supervillainhello, I'm using linux, I don't have windows, where can I download the original apple firmware?
09:55:17Galoisthe original firmware is on the ipod itself. You can download it from the ipod using the installation instructions.
10:07:02supervillainI don't have the firmware anymore, can I just install ipodlinux as standalone without the apple firmware?
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10:47:42Hub441what to do if my ipod G4 crashes fromt time to time?
10:48:58midkay_it's an unstable port right now, there's some bug with frequency scaling, so crashes are unfortunately not uncommon..
10:49:00JdGordondont let it drive while drunk :p
10:49:03linuxstbTry a build with CPU frequency scaling disabled, or with the COP patch applied - they're available in the Unsupported Builds forum.
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11:56:26PaulJamHi, is it really a bug that the "resume playback" entry in the main menu doesn't go to the radio screen if that was what you were listening to last? presonally i like the current behavour, that resume playback always resumes audiofile playback (that way i can listen to the news on the radio and resume mp3 playback afterwards)
11:58:37amiconnIt's intended behaviour.
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12:09:30linuxstbPaulJam: I agree with you - playback is different from FM radio.
12:10:30amiconnWho says this would be a bug?
12:10:44linuxstbLinusN -
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12:12:35*amiconn thinks you cannot 'resume' fm, you can only continue listening the same station.
12:13:00amiconnAnd I also agree with the definition that fm reception is not playback
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12:14:41linuxstbamiconn: Are you still intending to try to implement dbg_flash_id() for the ipods?
12:15:13amiconnYes, but not right now
12:15:25amiconnMaybe someone is faster than me...
12:15:57voltagexwin 3
12:16:04linuxstbAs I said, I tried but failed last weekend.
12:16:32amiconnIt's most probably a timing issue
12:16:59linuxstbYes, or maybe the cache is causing problems, I think I'll try it in the bootloader and see what happens there (we don't enable the cache iirc).
12:17:32amiconnIs it possible to disable the cache depending on memory location?
12:17:53linuxstbI don't think we know how to do that.
12:17:58*amiconn didn't think of the cache
12:18:17amiconnBut we can disable and enable it?
12:18:59amiconndbg_flash_id() would need to do that for sure
12:19:03linuxstbYes, we can. Although I'm more confident testing in the bootloader first - just to be sure.
12:23:09JdGordonI see some alarm code was put in the h300 bootloader.. does it work? or not quite yet?
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12:25:51amiconnhi JdGordon
12:26:05amiconnI have a bug report regarding the menu rework:
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12:26:31JdGordongoody :)
12:26:33amiconnThe scroll speed and scroll step size settings no longer use the long example strings
12:27:10LearAlready reported in the forum. :)
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12:27:51JdGordonamiconn: yeah, but those strings were useless anyway because the text wasnt long enough...
12:28:13amiconnThe text was long enough on most of my targets...
12:28:40LearAnd can be made longer on targets that need it...
12:30:08amiconnThe german strings are a bit longer than the english ones as well
12:30:33JdGordonanyway, to make the text in the menu and the text in the setting screen different we need a special case for it.. is it really worth it?
12:31:16PaulJamHello everybody!
12:31:36amiconnIirc these 2 were not the only settings where the menu text and the settings headline were different.
12:31:39Genre9mp3Do we have a new h300 bootloader or not yet? (sorry... but I'm completely outdated)
12:31:56amiconnWhat happened to all the others? And what happened to the respective .lang strings?
12:32:08bluebrotherbtw, the scroll exampls should repeat the text and scroll in every case.
12:32:24bluebrotherI had the case of the text being to short for small fonts a couple of times
12:32:35amiconnYes, the text could be repeated if it's too short for the lcd width and the current font
12:32:37bluebrotherGenre9mp3, no released yet
12:33:00bluebrotherbut LinusN is working on it
12:33:22JdGordonamiconn: which other ones? but ok, ill add an option for it...
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12:33:45Genre9mp3great news! :)
12:34:15*bluebrother wonders if he should try out the v7pre3 bootloader for h100
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12:34:52bluebrotherany caveats in doing so? Can I just update the bootloader and keep the rest of the flash as-is (I assume so)?
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12:37:24amiconnJdGordon: I don't remember them right now, but there were some...
12:39:21amiconnWhether it makes sense is another question, but if it doesn't, we should deprecate the respective .lang strings
12:40:44JdGordonI dont remember any others excpet the scroll that did make sense.. but if the special case is needed then may as well fix the lot of them
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12:48:53*linuxstb can now enter ipod diskmode without rebooting
12:49:31decayedcellbut we still get USB freezing
12:50:13JdGordonamiconn: the player port is making the menu macros difficult to manage... are we low on bin space on the placer? I want to add the ICON variable to the menu items
12:50:24JdGordonwhich wont be displayed....
12:50:48pixelmano that's a problem that the Player does not have
12:51:24JdGordonits just too hard adding new macros with the HAVE_LCD_BITMPA check
12:52:19JdGordon:'( actually its not going to work anyway... the icon array isnt defined for the player
12:52:23pixelmabtw... are there menus left that still have to be moved over to the new system?
12:52:30JdGordonjust recording
12:52:35JdGordonand the context menus
12:53:48pixelmadid you see my complaint about the "new startfile detected" screen?
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12:54:17JdGordonpixelma: i tinhk so.. but remind me? :p
12:54:27JdGordonit being shifted?
12:54:55pixelmayes - similar to the rockbox info, runtime screen
12:55:20linuxstbAny ipod users wanting to test my new code for switching to diskmode without rebooting -
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12:55:54linuxstbThe problem though is that you disconnect from USB, the ipod leaves diskmode, then reenters it, then realises there is no computer attached, then reboots....
12:57:38JdGordon... so not quite ready? :p
12:58:16amiconnJdGordon: The player does have icons...
12:58:22linuxstbI'm not sure if that's going to be fixable, so the question is if that patch is better than the current behaviour...
12:58:36amiconnThey're just defined differently
12:58:40JdGordonamiconn: not nice ones like the bmp lcds tho
12:59:32*JdGordon has a semi nasty hack ready to keep KISS...
12:59:57amiconnYou can just
13:00:05amiconn#ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP
13:00:16amiconn#define MACRO_FOR_BITMAP
13:00:28amiconn#define MACRO_FOR_CHARCELL
13:00:44amiconnIt's a bit more to type though
13:00:52JdGordonwhich is whats there.. have a loo at the bottom of menu.h, its horrible
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13:03:34amiconnHmm, and why shouldn't it be possible to just inlucde the icon for charcell?
13:03:44amiconn...even if it isn't displayed?
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13:05:16JdGordonbecause in the menu macros they do bitmap_icons_6x8[Icon_SOMETHING] which doesnt exists for the player
13:06:10JdGordonunless that is changed to only take the icon identifier.. but that still will cause errors with undefined ICON_ identifiers
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13:07:22JdGordonmaybe the doubling up of the macros is just the easier option :'(
13:07:44amiconnUsing the icon identifier soulds like it would be a lot cleaner
13:10:31JdGordongrr.. back in 15min
13:10:32XavierGr_JdGordon to test the RTC capabilities on the H300 you will have to wait for preglow, Linus to commit the rtc stuff on main firmware
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13:16:35decayedcelllinuxstb compiling as we speak :p
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13:19:46menubitis it possible to make the cursor return to the last position/file viewed when returining to one's music collection, from wps,
13:20:06JdGordonit should do that by defaul
13:20:22menubiter not quite JdG
13:20:39amiconnYou need to enable the 'follow playlist' option
13:20:42pixelmabut... doesn't work 100% when you stop playback...
13:20:50menubitit will always return the file which you have selected to play, not to the last file browsed
13:21:10amiconnBah, that's different
13:21:12menubitno i'm not refering to follow playlist, dont use that
13:21:26amiconnBut... 'follow playlist' also seems to be flaky now
13:22:00linuxstbdecayedcell: I'm about to upload a better version...
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13:22:29menubiti have alarge muic collection and its a bit frustrating to have to scroll back to from where i previously left off if i return to my music collection
13:22:33decayedcelllinuxstb lol okay then
13:22:37decayedcellits compiled
13:22:42decayedcellbut i'll disconnect it later
13:22:47linuxstbdecayedcell: New version there now.
13:23:09linuxstbThis now correctly reloads Rockbox immediately after rebooting.
13:24:24*amiconn needs to cleanup his music mess
13:24:44linuxstbrm -fr * ?
13:25:28amiconnI need to check like a dozen places and combine everything into one nice tree, with correct tags
13:25:41amiconnAnd I don't have enough space to do this on my local hd
13:27:18amiconnMy linux box would, so I could do this there if only linux usb could be trusted
13:27:45nlsamiconn: why can't it be trusted?
13:27:53JdGordonbeat me to it nls :p
13:28:12amiconnIt silently produces data errors in large files
13:29:07JdGordonhow do you get grep to find and replace in files?
13:29:14decayedcelllinuxstb how do i test his
13:29:39linuxstbdecayedcell: Just attach to your computer as normal. It should enter diskmode immediately, rather than rebooting.
13:29:48nlsJdGordon: I reported one more menu problem in the thread, selecting recording screen as start screen doesn't work, it starts up in the main menu anyway...
13:30:09decayedcelllinuxstb well it seems to be hanging at the rockbox logo mm
13:30:27linuxstbTry resetting, and then trying again.
13:30:37decayedcelldid that already
13:30:43linuxstbAnd are you using the first or second patch?
13:30:54decayedcelli'll build it without the patch
13:30:57decayedcellsee if its the problem
13:31:11linuxstbThen it's not a problem with my patch - it's the existing usb hanging problem.
13:31:21JdGordonnls: ok thanks... im working on the wrong text in the scroll settings now
13:31:31linuxstbI've found that it works reliably if you ensure the disk isn't active before attaching USB.
13:31:46nlsah, ok, no rush, just so you didn't miss it :-)
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13:35:14decayedcellhmm must be something else
13:35:22decayedcellmight be the iPL bootloader
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13:35:46linuxstbWhich version of loader2 are you using? 2.4 shouldn't be used with Rockbox any more.
13:36:08linuxstbThen it _should_ be OK.
13:36:13decayedcell2.4 doesn't even load Apple OS on the 5.5G, furthermore it has no cop support
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13:37:09decayedcelloh well i'll figure it out tmr
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13:37:57JdGordonany grep wizards here?
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13:38:15JdGordon$ grep -E "/bitmap_icons_6x8\[\([a-zA-Z0-9]*\)\]/\1" main_menu.c
13:38:16JdGordongrep: Invalid back reference
13:39:04JdGordonI want to replace bitmap_icons_6x8[blaa] with blaa in the file
13:39:14LearDon't escape the "()"? (Not a wizard, but... :) )
13:39:47LearAfaik, \1 refers to the first ().
13:39:47bluebrotheryou are missing the trailing /
13:40:27bluebrotherand don't you need to s/search/replace/? Or was that sed only?
13:41:49JdGordon$ grep -E "s/bitmap_icons_6x8\[([a-zA-Z0-9]*)\]/\1/g" main_menu.c runs but nothing changes
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13:43:17Galoisperl -pe 's/bitmap_icons_6x8\[([a-zA-Z0-9]*)\]/$1/g' < main_menu.c
13:43:23LearWell, grep is a search tool, not an edit tool...
13:43:54GaloisLear and bluebrother are right. grep won't do search and replace
13:44:17Galoisyou need sed for search and replace, but why bother with sed. perl is better
13:44:20*JdGordon thought he used grep a while ago to find and replace
13:44:29LearI thought it might edit the output, but maybe not.
13:44:39JdGordonGalois: didnt work.. or my regexp is wrong
13:44:58Galois[djao@t31:~]$ echo 'bitmap_icons_6x8[blaa]' | perl -pe 's/bitmap_icons_6x8\[([a-zA-Z0-9]*)\]/$1/g'
13:45:00Galoisworks for me
13:45:15LearShouldn't the pattern include "_"?
13:45:25JdGordonyes :p
13:45:34Galoisoh, in that case
13:45:37Galoisjust use \w
13:47:34Galois[djao@t31:~]$ echo 'bitmap_icons_6x8[blaa__]' | perl -pe 's/bitmap_icons_6x8\[(\w*)\]/$1/g'
13:49:49JdGordonok, now how do i move each to X.c ?
13:50:53Galoisfor file in *.new; do mv $file `basename $file .new`; done
13:51:56Galois(not guaranteed to work in all situations, but it's 99% of the gain for 10% of the effort)
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13:58:11pixelmalinuxstb: not only you drive on the wrong side of the street, you also have those strange power plugs... ;)
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14:01:34JdGordonpixelma: or maybe _you_ drive on the wrong side?
14:01:46JdGordonand both of you have wierd power plugs :D
14:01:54XavierGr_I agree with pixelma you drive on the wrong side :P
14:02:05*linuxstb suspects that Twiki user BiosCrc is not using his/her real name
14:03:24XavierGr_linuxstb: Nah this name is used quite often here :P
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14:15:22Lear404 here
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14:27:17nlsgah! the left channel in my headphones died :-(
14:27:22JdGordonamiconn: ping?
14:27:28JdGordonthat sucks :(
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14:28:32LearHad that fairly recently.
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14:29:32nlsto look at it from the positive side, I can now justify buying new ones :-)
14:30:02LearYep, I got a better pair (not that the previous one was bad)...
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14:31:52JdGordonpixelma: which screen is shifted right that is accesscable in the h300 sim (if you know? )
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14:34:15pixelmaI doubt it is accessable in the sim - it's the one that appears when a new firmware file is detected (doesn't even always happen)
14:35:47JdGordonok. Im hopefully going to fix the problem properly :p
14:36:33JdGordonyup, the list is naughty and not setting the margin back to the old margin when it finishes drawing!
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14:40:14JdGordonamiconn: that patch ok?
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14:42:22JdGordonpixelma: fixed :)
14:43:51amiconnCan't spot a problem right now. Did you check how much larger the player build becomes?
14:44:11amiconnI think it won't be much...
14:45:40JdGordon< 200bytes
14:46:22JdGordonthe thing that annoys me is needing to put the Icon_* in both icons.h file... but I guess its still better than doubling up the macros
14:47:00pixelmanice - but I've no time to check... gotta run. Bye!
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14:47:38amiconnHmm. Maybe the standard icon numbers should be made equal for charcell and bitmap
14:47:53oboJdGordon: root_menu() is only called once in tree.c as the unit boots?
14:48:15amiconnNot possible right now because of how they currently work. Will try to remember that when fiddling with the player lcd driver
14:48:17JdGordonamiconn: probably.. but not so easy, they are used for 3 diferent arays
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14:49:23amiconnThere is a slight ugliness regarding the root menu on archos recorder (v1 only):
14:50:06amiconnOn the recorder, we (currently) have clean shutdown in the file browser only, so in order to perform a clean shutdown one first needs to enter the browser
14:50:35JdGordonwe cant move whatever code is needed to the root?
14:51:47amiconnDepends on how easy it is to add code that only runs in te root menu, but not in other menus
14:52:49JdGordonnot difficult
14:53:17JdGordonwhat about adding the shutdown option for the v1 rec? then just put the code in a seperate function in root_menu.c?
14:54:22amiconnThe shutdown option feels cumbersome... but it could be an additional method
14:54:52amiconnIf it's possible to run specific actions for the main menu, I'd like to have both methods for both player and recv1
14:56:03amiconnWith the root menu this should be possible unlike with the file browser
14:56:09JdGordonyou'd need to do something like "if (menu != &root_menu_)"
14:56:15JdGordonin the action loop
15:01:57amiconnMany yellows...
15:03:07JdGordonthats not many :)
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15:03:39JdGordonok, ill fix that in a min... already changed menu.c too much :p
15:03:52amiconnAll bitmap targets...
15:04:06amiconnStrangely not the sims...
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15:06:56JdGordonthe sims gcc doesnt care so much?
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15:09:17amiconnRegarding the player and size limits: of course the player does have size limits, but we're still 22KB away from hitting the first one
15:09:57amiconn...which will be the 200KB loadable firmware size limit, and is not critical because then the build system switches to using the self extractor
15:10:25amiconnThe next limit would be rombox, but that's further 32KB away
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15:22:34JdGordonamiconn: ok, scroll setting titles are aboutt to be fixed in svn... very easy to change any others which need chaning
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16:26:13jhMikeSamiconn: I've had svn tell me svn:keywords -v show me which keywords are set and still not update it when committing. I guess there's some other detail I'm missing.
16:27:21jhMikeSsvn proplist -v rather
16:29:56LearInteresting, the record settings menu icon is different from the record screen menu icon. :)
16:30:02bluebrotherso the property itself is set?
16:31:05jhMikeSbluebrother: that had returned the list "Author Date Id Revision" and it just did nothing
16:31:40bluebrothersounds like the property is already set in svn
16:32:47jhMikeSamiconn set them. when I did the propset myself it said they were set but no change when committing. :\
16:33:41jhMikeSwonder if it needs the user/pass specified or something
16:34:10bluebrotherfor me I can modify the properties like the file itself. No special action needed
16:34:29bluebrotherand I'm still using 1.3.2 here
16:35:05jhMikeS1.4.2 here. I updated debian through the apt interface.
16:36:59jhMikeSautoprops should be on too but that only should affect newly added files iiuc
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16:51:10bluebrotheroh, twice hi ...
16:51:43TheVolc2Can someone help me on RockBox i have a few questions
16:52:03bluebrotherjust ask. If someone can answer your question someone will ask
16:52:27bluebrothererr, answer, not ask ;-)
16:52:27TheVolc2OK i downloaded RockBox from Here.
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16:52:38bluebrotherfrom the forums?
16:52:47TheVolc2and its says that it has Coprocesor support,
16:52:55bluebrotherah, unsupported build
16:53:24TheVolc2I i have been trying to see a small video from rockbox with the VLC-Transcode.bat
16:53:37TheVolc2i have Ipod Photo
16:53:40SoapWhen you boot you ipod, TheVolc2, is it black text on a blue background or white text on a black background?
16:53:58TheVolc2i tried the settings 220*176 and 400 VideoBitRate
16:54:16TheVolc2But when i run the video it runs slow but the audio its OK
16:54:19bluebrotherI still haven't seen the question itself
16:54:57TheVolc2its a White text with the black background
16:55:21TheVolc2i was wondering if someone has a VLCtranscode.bat for the ipod photo only
16:55:56TheVolc2If someone was succesfull playing videos on the Rockbox for the Ipod Photo
16:56:05bluebrotheris there anyway stated that video should work good / better with COP supporting builds?
16:57:16Soapit should work much better on COP builds.
16:57:53Soapframerate of video only on non-COP build = framerate of video+audio on COP builds.
16:58:55TheVolc2OK then i downloaded RockBox from this link "" it says to has cop support. i also have Pies Julius build from january 30
16:59:48TheVolc2So someone have the VLCTranscode.bat that work for the Ipod Photo?
17:00:58TheVolc2COP its something that you enable on the RockBox or its automaticly enable???
17:04:59TheVolc2i guest that im not receiving any message. im using the html version
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17:06:43SoapMany are asleep.
17:06:50SoapMany are enjoying their Saturday.
17:07:20TheVolc2OK here its Saturday March 03
17:07:28TheVolc212:07 PM
17:07:29ShaidHere's it's 3am.
17:07:32ShaidWhy am I up?
17:07:34TheVolc2Puerto Rico
17:07:41bluebrother5pm here :)
17:07:59SoapYour text is getting through, though, no need to worry about that. COP is something you as an end-user don't need to worry about, there is no switch to toggle.
17:08:06TheVolc2So were are you from?
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17:13:49jhMikeSTheVolc2: Where abouts in PR? I know people from Juana Diaz.
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17:19:58SoapjhMikeS: I've been watching your commits with envy.
17:20:14SoapWhat needs to be done to turn you over to the dark side (ARM)?
17:20:33jhMikeSSoap: I need a good deal on a Gigabeat? :)
17:21:29jhMikeSThough preglow's promised to handle the dark side soon.
17:23:24jhMikeSI'd love to help make that S model work in all it's CPU excess.
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17:30:54pearldiver"look for rockbox.gigabeat in /.rockbox/ first like other SWCODEC targets"
17:30:57pearldiverso it was moved?
17:32:01barrywardellno, but it will eventually be
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17:32:41toffejhMikeS: good deal on gigabeat, I can help :)
17:32:48dabyd64hi u all
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17:33:22dabyd64i have a question, is the brickmania plugin available for sansa e200?
17:33:51Kooldoes rockbox support 137 GB+ HDDs?
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17:34:03jhMikeStoffe: :) Of course as far as a player, a nice, fully functional one that I can use. not just a guinea pig player.
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17:35:05toffejhMikeS: I have several working F40 , F20 and F10
17:35:09jhMikeSof course to do a port, I'd probably need both ... and have some idea how to unbrick it
17:35:24barrywardellKool: yes. see
17:35:29jhMikeSThe number designates disk size?
17:35:44toffeif you look for a S , I just have 2 broken , and I am going to work on it
17:35:46Koolty barrywardell
17:35:51dabyd64is the brickmania plugin available for sansa e200?
17:36:08dabyd64i searched but it doesnt come with the build
17:36:12toffejhMikeS: where do you live ?
17:36:20jhMikeSoff the top of my head I'd say largest capacity
17:36:27jhMikeSroffe: Michigan
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17:37:19barrywardelldabyd64: it's not available yet, no.
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17:37:34dabyd64ok, thanks
17:37:46dabyd64i love arkanoid =D
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17:39:17toffejhMikeS: you want a f40 I can sell you one complete with dock station in the original box for 80$ plus shipping (I think it must be 15$
17:39:42jhMikeStoffe: not seeing my pm?
17:40:00toffesorry, miss it :)
17:41:09toffeI cannot pm, you have to accept unregister
17:41:13 Quit Shaid ("I will see you, in the end. And I will laugh at your pain...") do I set that up real quick?
17:42:46toffedon't know
17:43:17*Soap isn't a developer but also wants a F40
17:43:40toffeSoap: I can get you one too ;)
17:43:50SoapI am interested.
17:44:38toffeI am actually trying to see if the jtag connector is workin, if yes, it will be really interesting to debug the prog...
17:44:41Koolwhts F40?
17:44:54peturbroken f40 on ebay:
17:45:15petur'says error when turned on'
17:45:18Kooloh germny
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17:47:31*petur wonders what recovery we have on gigabeat
17:47:32Kasperlehey. i just wanted to shutdown rockbox (on an ipod) by pressing and holding play, and it hung, the screen says "Data abort\nat 0049DA8" in the top left corner
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17:49:52barrywardellpetur: I think you have to take it apart, remove the disk, plug usb in, then plug the disk in on the fly
17:50:16peturso it should be possible to unbrick it
17:50:24peturI'll have a spare 40GB disk soon :)
17:50:37peturin case the disk is broken
17:51:50barrywardellthat's the procedure for recovering from a bad bootloader anyway
17:51:50Koolthe dude should atleast have listed the error number :p for debugging purposes ...
17:52:01barrywardellmaybe ask on #gigabeat just in case
17:53:28Soaptoffe: my email address is listed on my wikipage if you want to contact me that way.
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17:56:56toffefrom all the F I bought with error message, except one which had a bad hd, all the other ones were fixed by reformating and reinstalling the firmware..
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18:00:53Soapdoes the Gigabeat use the same connector as the iPods or as the iRivers?
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18:08:12Nico_Ptoffe: how do you get the gigabeats ?
18:08:36toffeplaying on Ebay ;)
18:08:58Nico_Pi should have been more patient to buy mine, i payed it too much
18:08:59toffebuying broken one , sometimes good ones
18:09:08toffehow much ?
18:09:15Nico_P180 € :s
18:09:23Nico_Pincluding shipping
18:09:31Nico_Pbut it's as good as new
18:09:42toffethe last I got for 2 friends inm france where 80$ each complete but not in original box
18:10:23Nico_Pyeah i did get it with the box and full set of accessories, including a leather case the guy had bought to protect it
18:11:07Nico_Pi'm very pleased with it and i don't really regret having bought it... even 180€ is pretty cheap for a 40 GB HDD player
18:11:44Nico_Pthe hard part was finding one that could be shipped to france actually
18:12:11Nico_Ptoffe: you live in france ?
18:12:19toffebarrywardell: cannot pm :(
18:12:51toffeNico_P: I am french but living in California
18:13:02Nico_Ptoffe: ok
18:13:35toffeare you french ?
18:13:44toffefrom where ?
18:13:57Nico_Pi'm from paris but curently i study in toulouse
18:14:46barrywardelltoffe: oh, sorry. did you get my message?
18:14:55toffeI am from Moissac 60 km from Toulouse and my friends are from touluse ( the ones who get the gigabeats)
18:15:23toffebarrywardell: yes but can't answer, you have to accept unregistered user
18:16:23toffeNico_P: when you see dune2 or twins in the rockbox or tgigabeat channel , there are from toulouse
18:16:31toffegigabeat ^^
18:16:50Nico_Pi should hang out there more often
18:17:21toffebut they must be busy because we don't see them for 2 weeks now..
18:17:35MirrorImageHey, this is just a stray question, but is it possible to install ipodlinux without restoring the ipod?
18:17:57MirrorImageI know this is rockbox and stuff, but I thought one of you might know.
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18:21:24desowinMirrorImage: yes, you'll need to shrnik the fat partition
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18:38:06Aaron4Does anyone think Rockbox could be ported to Xbox?
18:38:29nlsAaron4: I guess it could, but why?
18:39:19Aaron4Well, you could put a huge hard drive in it and play music on a home theater system that you have connected to the xbox, without your computer
18:39:20desowinwell, xbox isn't portable music player imo ...
18:39:29Aaron4No, it isn't a portable music player at all
18:40:11desowincan't XBMC do it ?
18:40:16Aaron4But I'd love to have all my musi collection local to my home theater system
18:40:38Aaron4Well thats only for a 360 I'm pretty sure and I'm also pretty sure it doesn't play FLAC
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18:41:01Aaron4Well let me see actually
18:41:24Aaron4I guesss it is for the original
18:41:42nlsand it lists flac as supported
18:42:10Aaron4I didn't know about that software
18:42:44desowinit's gpl'ed
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18:45:01Aaron4Have any of you tried XBMC? It looks awsome
18:45:36Soap*cough* this is #Rockbox. For general chit-chat please feel free to join #rockbox-community.
18:46:29Aaron4I was unaware of that channel but will keep that in mind
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18:49:21*nls goes to a party :-)
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18:49:50BigMacanyone compiling rockbox from ubuntu?
18:51:24Soapmany compiling questions are non-distro-specific.
18:51:34BigMacYah I guess
18:51:46BigMacok so I have downloaded the source
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18:53:44BigMacI ran the source a while back, but I kept getting path errors. I tried mending my path but now when I go to make, the list with all daps, no longer shows up, and I still can't make a zip because I still get path errors
18:54:41Soapmake does not bring up the list with all possible targets. script
18:55:09BigMacoh sorry, which is the command that does that
18:55:18BigMacthat is the one I am talking about
18:55:47Soapaliased to rbconf in the coLinux and vmware images.
18:56:29Soaptype "echo $PATH" and tell me what your path it.
18:57:20BigMacshould have'd that
18:57:30Soapone line doesn't need pastebin
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18:57:40BigMacoh ok
18:58:10BigMacWould that be the correct path
18:58:45Soapif you ran successfully, you need to add (for arm - you owning a iPod) "/usr/local/arm-elf/bin" to your path. Preferably at the start of your path.
18:59:32SoapSo that your path = "/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games"
19:00:24BigMacso export path = "/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
19:00:54SoapIf that is the command, I an a newbie and would have to look it up.
19:01:29BigMacyah I got that from the ubuntu forum a while back
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19:03:31BigMacThat is the error I get
19:04:24oboexport PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:$PATH
19:04:44BigMacah thaml you I will try that
19:06:13obobut to make life easier it's better to edit your path so that you don't need to export every time - ~/.bashrc or ~/.profile or ~/.bash_profile - I'm not sure which one you'll have
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19:06:43oboah, I'm old fashioned, you might not even be using bash :)
19:06:44BigMacmy /usr/local directory does not contain an arm elf folder so I should probably run rockbox again right?
19:06:58BigMacyah I believe I am
19:07:09oboassuming you were using the default paths, then yes, sounds like it needs re-running
19:07:23Soapdo you need to run it as root?
19:08:04oboyou do to write to /usr/local, but I believe the script tests that you have write permission at the start and will tell you if not
19:08:13Soapand yes, BigMac, you should just edit your .bashrc file, for otherwise you will need to "export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:$PATH" every boot.
19:08:34BigMacok I will try to find that file
19:10:00Soapin your user's home directory.
19:10:13SoapI _think_ ubuntu uses .bashrc
19:10:26BigMacwhich guide to compiling do you reccomend for linux distros
19:10:46Soapall of them in the wiki. It isn't an either/or situation.
19:11:29BigMacSoap: I have a bashrc and a bash profile
19:12:22BigMacso just use bashrc right
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19:14:21BigMacOk added export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:$PATH to the end of the file
19:15:37Soapif you do that, every time you login /usr/local/arm-elf/bin (I believe) will be added to the front of your path.
19:16:03Soapsimply make the last line PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
19:16:19linuxstb_I think BigMac's first attempt is OK.
19:16:40Soapit won't do that? Sorry BigMac
19:17:20BigMacNo problem
19:17:51Soapmight as well also add alias rbconf='../tools/configure' and alias rbconf='../tools/configure' to your .bashrc file at this time so your enviroment is more like the vmware/colinux ones the wiki guides will be based upon.
19:17:53linuxstb_My .bashrc has a line like that (PATH=/my/new/paths/:$PATH)
19:18:31SoapI thought I had done that originally, then saw my path was a mile long a few days later.
19:19:00linuxstb_Then something is odd in your setup.
19:19:06linuxstb_.bashrc should just be run once.
19:19:42SoapI mean after loggin in a dozen times. I appear to have a worse memory than Scooter Libby.
19:20:01BigMacSoap: Uhh aren't those two lines the same?
19:20:13Soapoops, bad copy
19:20:32Soapalias getsvn='svn co svn:// rockbox'
19:21:08Soap(half my programs are "select to copy" and half are "Ctrl-C to copy" - I make that mistake a lot.)
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19:30:12BigMacno problem (happens to me all the time too:P)
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19:40:21BigMacwhere do I execute the script in
19:40:29BigMaclike what location in the folder
19:42:21Soapjust go to the tools directory and ./
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20:03:13SoapHow hard would it be to compile a build for my iPod, but not compile the Database?
20:03:39oboTheres a define for it now isn't there?
20:03:42SoapWhere in the code do I need to (I assume) remove the def that my player can do Database?
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20:04:36SoapI've been looking for the define, but I haven't found it yet. Just been plodding along in whatever files looked plausable in my own uninformed way.
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20:07:25barrywardellSoap: it's called HAVE_TAGCACHE and it's defined in the config-*.h files
20:07:26linuxstbIt's HAVE_TAGCACHE in firmware/export/config-xxxxx.h
20:07:34*linuxstb lost again
20:07:41oboHAVE_TAGCACHE in /firmware/export/config-[target].h ??
20:07:41Soapthank you both.
20:08:11SoapI asked too soon.
20:09:08SoapI had just finished reading through /firmware/target/arm and /firmware/include as I thought those looked promising.
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20:12:44Soapand do all targets use config.h as well?
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20:20:28{Ithaycu}I'm trying to compile from source of daily build 20070303
20:20:52BigMacAm I supposed to have more then three files in my "build" folder
20:21:04{Ithaycu}The compile process fails at the linker step
20:21:27BigMacI have a whole ton of other files
20:22:11{Ithaycu}AFAIK that is normal
20:23:42SlasheriSoap: why would you want remove that?
20:24:18Slasherifor ipods you wouldn't gain anything by doing that
20:24:36BigMacwhat is the name of the logo file so I could replace it with my own
20:26:27{Ithaycu}The specific error I get is " /usr/local/src/rockbox-20070303/build/apps/settings_list.o:(.data+0x88): undefined reference to `__compound_literal.4' "
20:27:19pearldiverdoes anyone know how to fix the scroll margins patch for the latest svn by any chance
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20:27:42Kronuzhello again :)
20:27:54SoapSlasheri: removing tagcache I ASSume will remove the entry from the Root/Main Menu as well as free up a K or two of precious audio buffer ;) (I don't use it anyway)
20:27:59Kronuzhey, how's iPod G5 support in ROCKBox?
20:28:19SoapKronuz: good enough for most people.
20:28:32Kronuzif I remember correctly it still had some issues a few months ago (wasted more battery, etc. than the original iPod's firmware)
20:28:42Kronuzis that still the case?
20:28:44Soapmost those issues are still there.
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20:28:55KronuzI see
20:29:18Kronuzhey Soap, if you had the chance which player would you buy?
20:29:34SoapIn general or for Rockbox?
20:29:56KronuzI'm thinking of buying one right now
20:30:06Kronuz(I'll probably sell my iPod)
20:30:17desowinI would buy Sansa now instead of iPod
20:30:25SoapIn general _I_ would buy an iPod 5G again. I keep hardware forever and the iPod should be the easiest one to find replacement parts and accessories for 6 years from now.
20:30:40pearldiverif you dont need to do any recordings and listen to FM - toshiba gigabeat is a nice choice
20:31:05pearldiver(while they still last out there)
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20:31:35SoapFor Rockbox, if you want all the eye-candy and to save some cash I would buy a Gigabeat. If you want basic audio done right I would buy a iAudio X5. If you want recording I would buy a iRiver H1xx or maybe a H3xx.
20:31:38Kronuzwhat about the Archos?
20:32:01SoapIf you want monster hard drive at the expense of size and codec support Archos is the only way.
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20:35:02Kronuzwhere does ROCKbox work better?
20:36:20Soapon all but the portaplayer targets. ;)
20:36:54Soapmeaning any of the proper targets outside the iPods and H10 series should be pretty darn good.
20:38:08Kronuzwho's got the Archos 604 WiFi?
20:38:47Kronuzthat internet connectivity looks great
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20:44:36obo{Ithaycu}: which version of GCC are you using?
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21:15:53Kronuzarghh! what do I buy!?
21:16:18KronuzArchos, iPod, iRiver?
21:17:00Soapi think I laid out pretty clearly what I see as the advantages of each major line.
21:17:31linuxstbKronuz: What format are your audio files, and how big a disk do you need?
21:17:45Kronuzmost of my music is in Mp3
21:17:58Kronuzand I'd like to have a few DivX movies
21:18:12Kronuzthe Archos 604 WiFi looks great, but it only has 30GB
21:18:22Kronuzif it had at least 60G...
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21:18:45linuxstbRockbox doesn't run on any of the current Archos devices.
21:19:20Kronuzyeah, that's what I saw :(
21:19:30Kronuzbut I liked the internet connectivity
21:19:44Kronuzonly it has a small HD..
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21:40:09chrisjs169I was just trying all the themes in rockbox on my Sansa e250, and it froze with 'Data abort at 00040874'
21:40:30BigMacTwo quick questions,do I place patches in /home/mike/rockbox or in /home/mike/rockbox/build and where is the file misc.c located
21:40:50SoapBigMac: place the patches wherever you want.
21:41:03Soapwhen you use the patch command you just include the path to said patches.
21:41:34BigMacoh I thought I read it had to be included in the source folder
21:42:16Soapwherever, they don't do anything based upon position, they are used only when you use the patch command.
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21:45:49jhMikeSwhat's the DC in on an archos...I seem to have gotten all my adapters mixed up. I think the one I was using says 9v +tip and fits it.
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21:46:44BigMacok I found the misc.c file myself, but when I replace the logo (its dimensions are 320x96x16) can I replace it with a fullscreen logo being 320x240x24
21:46:56{Ithaycu}obo: I'm using gcc 4.1.2
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21:48:05Soap{Ithaycu}: 4.0.3 is the current recomended version of arm-elf
21:48:19jhMikeSmy iAudio and iRiver adapters are _not_ mixed up with anything else btw ... not a chance
21:48:25LloreanBigMac: The screen is only 16-bit.
21:48:45Soapand sh-elf. m68k-elf = 3.4.6,
21:48:52{Ithaycu}obo: Sorry I was looking at the X86_64 ver of gcc
21:49:14{Ithaycu}obo: I'm running arm-elf-gcc 4.0.2
21:49:29Soap(the recomended version might be different for 64 bit machines)
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21:50:04oboyeah, as Soap said, you need arm-elf-gcc 4.0.3
21:51:44{Ithaycu}obo: thx, I'll track that down and give it a go
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21:53:01BigMacLlorean: Then how can a wps graphic be 24?
21:54:40LloreanBigMac: When they're loaded they're converted.
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21:55:56BigMacLlorean: Ok but do I have to save it as 320x96 or can I make it full screen if I edited the file already
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21:56:44LloreanIt's possible to use a full screen image there, though since the image is started some pixels down from the top of the screen you'd need to reposition it.
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21:59:43dionoeabarrywardell: are you still working on USB support for the pp targets ?
21:59:44BigMacyah, there was a topic on the forum on how you have to change some line from 0,10 to 0,0
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22:00:40barrywardelldionoea: kind of. are you interested in working on it?
22:01:05SoapBigMac: what logo are you trying to change?
22:01:21BigMacAnyone know the color that is in the default bg of rockbos in hex or rgb value
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22:01:52BigMacSoap: THe boot screen, I just want to add like if found info.
22:01:54LloreanBigMac: Check the screen where you set the background color.
22:02:26Soapwhat does misc.c have to do with the boot logo?
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22:03:31Soapahh, I see now.
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22:04:06Soapa 24 bit bitmap will work.
22:04:14dionoeabarrywardell: i was reading this nice "summary" of the USB protocol. Transfers from/to the ipod in rescue mode are really too slow
22:04:16BigMacWell does anyone have access to an ipod or any dap right now?
22:04:22BigMacMy battery is dead
22:04:29BigMacand I no longer have a sync cable
22:04:30dionoeaso yeah, i'd be interested in helping out if you need help
22:04:48LloreanBigMac: If you no longer have a sync cable, how were you planning on transferring the build to it?
22:04:59SoapBigMac: you are talking about changing rockbox\apps\bitmaps\native\rockboxlogo.320x98x16.bmp ?
22:05:06barrywardelldionoea: i'd be delighted to have help. it's still a little over my head just yet
22:05:15barrywardelldionoea: did you see the linux driver?
22:05:35Soapif so just make it a 320x240 bitmap, and name it the same as it was before. And yea, make that change to misc.c
22:05:41BigMacLlorean: I have a laptop and my friend has a cable
22:05:50Soap24 bits is a waste of size, but will work.
22:06:00dionoeabarrywardell: not yet. where is it in the kernel tree ?
22:06:04LloreanSoap: It should be converted when compiled anyway
22:06:11LloreanBigMac: And how do you charge it regularly?
22:06:19dionoeabarrywardell: the whole drivers/usb/ thing ?
22:06:28BigMacI don't obviously or I would have a full charge right now
22:08:32barrywardelldionoea: it's not in the kernel. there's a patch here:
22:10:10dionoeait's the same deviced as on the PP chip ? (or something close enough?)
22:10:13barrywardelldionoea: so far, I've looked at using that to create a driver for this usb stack:
22:10:31barrywardelldionoea: seems to be almost identical
22:10:43barrywardellpossibly licenced by portalplayer
22:11:42barrywardellthere's also a reference manual for that usb device
22:11:50barrywardelllook on the freescale website for the i.
22:11:57barrywardelli.MX31 reference manual
22:12:02merlin2049eranyone get songbird 2.5 working?
22:12:13barrywardellgtg. back in 10 minutes
22:12:25dionoeaok, i'll start reading :)
22:13:55merlin2049eranyone get songbird working?
22:14:05merlin2049ercan't seem to stream or play mp3 stuff
22:14:11Lloreanmerlin2049er: This is #Rockbox, you may have the wrong channel
22:14:27merlin2049eroh sorry
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22:25:49barrywardelldionoea: back
22:26:36barrywardelldionoea: the main difference to the USB in the i.MX31 seems to be the base address - 0xc5000000 for the PP version
22:27:44dionoeaas long that's the only difference ...
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22:28:26barrywardelldionoea: I also couldn't get the ULPI_VIEW stuff to work, so I suspect the transceiver may be different
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22:28:46dionoeaso what basically needs to be done is: 1/ port the device driver and 2/ port the usb stack ? (are you doing a simple thing (only USB mass storage device) first ? or full USB OTG ?)=
22:28:53barrywardelland by the time rockbox boots, it's UTMI
22:29:17barrywardelldionoea: I've adapted the usb stack I linked to a plugin
22:29:28barrywardellnot full otg, just device mode
22:29:35dionoeaok, great :)
22:29:48billytwowillyThanks a lot guys, I was all set to buy an ipod nano, and now you guys are making progress on the e200 port so I have to hold off;)
22:30:03barrywardelli also adapted the linux driver to the usb stack, but couldn't get it to work :(
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22:30:35dionoeaoh ok, so it's just some fine tuning to do ?
22:30:50dionoealike figuring out the apropriate addresses ?
22:31:02barrywardellfine tuning is a bit of an understatement. i'm not really sure how far off it is
22:31:47BigMacwhats am I supposed to patch
22:32:08dionoeabarrywardell: can i download a patch with what you've already done somewhere ?
22:32:13LloreanBigMac: First, it tells you what files. Second, I thought the KoC were supposed to be installed with -p1
22:32:28barrywardelldionoea: i'll get something together for you now...
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22:32:31BigMacoh ok
22:32:39dionoeabarrywardell: thanks.
22:32:47SoapI think KoC is out of sync again.
22:33:16LloreanSoap: I wouldn't be surprised.
22:33:23LloreanI don't really see any reason for him to be constantly syncing it.
22:34:00Soapmeaning that as proof-of-concept the point has been made?
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22:34:23LloreanMeaning that those who are actually working on the patch can sync it themselves if it falls too far behind
22:35:38BigMachmm I just want to find a patch to apply that will work so I have something to test
22:36:04LloreanBigMac: I thought you were modifying it yourself anyway, plus you can compile unpatched.
22:36:05Soap5495 was synced last time I tried.
22:37:05BigMacLlorean: I just wanted to apply a few patches. I have already made a few clean builds
22:38:30BigMacThere is already a claendar built into rockbox under plugins?
22:38:37BigMacI have never seen it
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22:40:54BigMacAlright well it looks like I will just be applying this fullscreen logo, I just had to change the line apply the image and make right
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22:42:14Soapconfigure, then make
22:42:14linuxstbWhen changing bitmaps, it's sometimes necessary to do a "make clean" before the make.
22:44:47BigMacwell it went through make fine so I think it worked
22:45:00Soapwhen a patch fails, and the error is "Hunk #2 FAILED at 156." - does that mean line 156? And if so is that line 156 of the patch or line 156 of the target file?
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22:45:45Bagderit is line 156
22:45:57Bagderand I think it means in the target file
22:46:03LloreanYeah, it's the target file
22:46:09LloreanOr always has lined up with the target file, for me.
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22:46:37barrywardelldionoea: here you go:"> and
22:47:16barrywardelldionoea: you may want to cripple the current usb code (in firmware/target/arm/usb-pp.c) before using it
22:47:36barrywardellthe guts of my changes are in the usbhw_arc.* files in the usb-pp plugin
22:48:15barrywardelland I have to apologize in advance for the mess that is that code
22:48:35dionoeahehe, don't worry about that
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22:55:21dionoeabarrywardell: ok, i'll try building that. Once that's done what do you suggest that i have a look at ?
22:58:46dionoeagra ... i hate it when my ipod takes for ever to unmount
22:58:49Soapok, I think I manually synced KoCOP. How do I write the patch?
22:59:00dionoeasvn diff ?
22:59:04Soappatch -p0 > PatchName.patch?
22:59:13dionoeaSoap: not really :)
22:59:16peturmore like <
22:59:20barrywardelldionoea: you can try play with the plugin a bit
22:59:28dionoeai'll do that right now
22:59:36KasperleSoap: you want diff, not patch ;)
22:59:39SoapI thought < was to apply and > was to write.
22:59:46BagderSoap: diff -u olddir newdir > moo.patch
22:59:50dionoeadiff -u produces patches
22:59:56dionoeabut "svn diff" makes it easier
22:59:57peturheh I thought you wanted to patch
23:00:18barrywardelldionoea: I suggest then having a look at the usbhw_arc.* files
23:00:21Bagder"svn diff > patch" is easier indeed
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23:01:00barrywardelldionoea: and try to figure out what's going on
23:01:50dionoeabarrywardell: what do the dr_controller_{setup,run}() menu entries do in the plugin ? ( read the source ? :p )
23:02:04Soapsvn up
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23:03:11bluebrotherhmm. Can the h100 record and playback at the same time?
23:03:27LloreanThere's a feature request for mixing the line in with the output.
23:03:34dionoeabarrywardell: shouldn't the plugin disable switching back to rescue mode ?
23:03:36barrywardelldionoea: they were the first things I implemented
23:03:48dionoeaor do i need to disable that myself somewhere in the rockbox core ?
23:03:52barrywardellsetup is a kind of init
23:04:06SoapIf this works it was easy as easy can get.
23:04:09barrywardellrun should be run on usb connection
23:05:15bluebrotherLlorean, yes, but is it possible doing digital recording and playback at the same time? I.e. not analog mixing
23:05:44linuxstbbluebrother: I believe so - I think I remember preglow talking about implementing real-time effects.
23:06:03linuxstbWhich implies simultaneous record and playback.
23:06:13barrywardelldionoea: use something like this for firmware/target/arm/usb-pp.c:
23:06:32dionoeai just #if 0 ed it out
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23:07:03barrywardellthat should work either
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23:07:29barrywardellthe "Enable MSC mode" option in the menu is what we're aiming at getting working
23:07:46barrywardellthat takes care of dr_controller_setup and dr_controller_run
23:07:49dionoeaok. What does MSC stand for btw ?
23:07:55dionoeaMass Storage Controller ?
23:08:03barrywardellMass Storage C...
23:08:08barrywardellI don't know what the c is
23:08:19barrywardellsounds reasonable
23:09:11barrywardelldionoea: also, I should point out that that linux driver is a full OTG driver. The only relevant stuff for device mode is in the files arcotg_ucd.*
23:09:26barrywardellsorry, arcotg_udc.*
23:10:23dionoeaoops, i forgot to disable usb detect :/
23:10:28Soapdoes anyone want to test/look at my KoCOP sync, or should I test it myself and place it on the tracker if it works?
23:11:12dionoeahum, how do i tell it to go back to rescue mode durring boot ?
23:12:32*dionoea looks at the documentation
23:13:07linuxstbI don't understand your question. By "rescue mode",you mean disk mode?
23:13:14dionoeayeah :)
23:13:24linuxstbAre we talking ipods, or something else?
23:13:31dionoeai'll be back in 20 minutes
23:14:45bluebrotherlinuxstb, thanks.
23:14:59ompaulis the remote for the iaudio rockboxable or some such?
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23:18:39LloreanYeah, according to the Sansa at least, MSC = Mass Storage Class
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23:57:55Soapoh lordy the menus have changed since 12195
23:58:22decayedcellah yeah Soap I got an malformed patch error at line 366 with kocop11.3
23:58:41decayedcellwhats it supposed to mean lol
23:58:53decayedcellthe patch *appears* to be correct

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