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| 00:00:47 | | Join lImbus [0] (n=lImbus@port-83-236-56-21.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 00:00:51 | lImbus | hi all |
| 00:00:55 | dan_a | linuxstb_: Just trying to work that out |
| 00:00:58 | lImbus | congratz amiconn |
| 00:03:09 | lImbus | Jens ? |
| 00:03:17 | amiconn | yes |
| 00:04:16 | lImbus | :) |
| 00:04:39 | lImbus | long time not seen. geeeez |
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| 00:07:24 | lImbus | somebody looking for a h320 owner keen on trying out the new bootloader ;-) ? |
| 00:15:47 | | Quit ender` (" It could have been worse. Imagine you were trying to download pr0n and you end up with some naruto ep.") |
| 00:16:22 | perldiver | so...left-to-wps is dead forever? |
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| 00:17:52 | cadu | http://www.geeks.com/additem.asp?InvtId=MEGF40S&Cat=MP3 |
| 00:18:05 | cadu | found a gigabeat F40 :P |
| 00:18:17 | cadu | +-180USD |
| 00:18:26 | | Quit pearldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 00:18:38 | cadu | will this do for a nice rockbox host ? :) |
| 00:19:02 | Llorean | cadu: That Gigabeat will serve quite well as a Rockbox palyer |
| 00:19:03 | Llorean | player |
| 00:19:07 | perldiver | you can find one for $100-140 on ebay |
| 00:19:36 | cadu | perldiver, heard about it, but as this thing isn't flash storage ...i prefer to buy new :P |
| 00:19:55 | perldiver | im talking about the brand new ones |
| 00:20:24 | cadu | whoa! |
| 00:20:48 | cadu | btw i did a small search here in japan for older models from toshiba |
| 00:21:06 | perldiver | oh you're in japan? |
| 00:21:09 | cadu | the guy told me that when a collection is going to be released, toshiba recalls all former models :( |
| 00:21:18 | perldiver | you can as well hunt for X30 or X60 then |
| 00:21:27 | cadu | that's why my chance of finding a Fxx or a Xxx here is impossible |
| 00:21:38 | perldiver | try japanese amazon and ebay |
| 00:21:40 | cadu | as they're already being supplanted by the brand new spanking Sxx model :( |
| 00:21:44 | perldiver | they had all models last time i checked |
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| 00:25:33 | cadu | checking... |
| 00:25:41 | Ranbee | hi, do some themes use more power then others? my battery % is going down at about 1 ever 2 minutes. |
| 00:26:08 | Shaid | Does your theme have peak meters on it? |
| 00:26:24 | Llorean | And since you're looking at the theme, is the backlight on? |
| 00:26:47 | Ranbee | Shaid: not sure. i'm using the black glass one right now, but i'm new to rockbox so i thought i'd ask before i download everything |
| 00:26:49 | cadu | Llorean, perldiver : thanks, i've been talking here with some guys about the gigabeat and i'm quite interested, i'll be buying it with the sole purpose of having a nice rockbox platform, with some good battery life (they told me to avoid ipods :P) |
| 00:27:25 | Ranbee | Llorean: yeap, i asked about that already, i suppose i'll put it back to 5 :| and stop playing around so much lol |
| 00:27:27 | perldiver | cadu you won't be disappointed |
| 00:27:34 | Shaid | Ranbee: Are you on an iPod? |
| 00:27:41 | Ranbee | Shaid: yes |
| 00:27:41 | Llorean | Ranbee: Having the backlight on will hurt your battery life a very, very large amount. |
| 00:27:49 | cadu | perldiver, thank you for your support :P |
| 00:28:03 | Ranbee | Llorean: thanks, i'll put it back to 5 :) |
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| 00:28:24 | Shaid | iPods don't currently have the best battery performance in rockbox either, unfortunately. |
| 00:28:39 | cadu | anyway, i'm not a coder person (can do some python and some silly C hacking) but if you guys need any translation service for -brazillian portuguese- just put me in :P |
| 00:28:44 | perldiver | cadu, np. i would try to get an X30 red :P |
| 00:29:03 | cadu | perldiver, what's the difference between the F30 and the X30 ? thinner ? |
| 00:29:14 | perldiver | thinner, a little bigger screen |
| 00:29:49 | perldiver | cosmetic differences really, just nicer to the eye and hand :P |
| 00:30:07 | Llorean | Doesn't the X have worse battery life? |
| 00:30:13 | Llorean | Because of the screen? |
| 00:30:16 | Ranbee | OK, thanks everyone, i think it much be the light, i can't stop playing around with it so the light is on all the time :D thanks for letting me know. |
| 00:30:22 | perldiver | also there's no F30, just 10, 20, 40 and 60 |
| 00:30:27 | perldiver | Llorean slightly |
| 00:30:35 | perldiver | few hours here and there |
| 00:30:53 | Shaid | Ranbee: Also, are you changing songs a lot? |
| 00:31:02 | Shaid | cause spinning the drive will lower battery too. |
| 00:31:03 | Llorean | A few _hours_ is a bit more than slightly. :-P |
| 00:31:21 | perldiver | Llorean well, 1 to 2 hours, let's say |
| 00:31:59 | Ranbee | Shaid: yeap, i think i just need to put it on hold and put it down. i'll know from now on. |
| 00:32:08 | Shaid | hehe |
| 00:32:26 | Ranbee | :P |
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| 00:36:42 | dan_a | Hahahahaha! I've just got a prefetch abort at "C0EDBABE" - That can't be a coincidence |
| 00:37:12 | Shaid | lol |
| 00:37:24 | Llorean | dan_a: I used to get those with something. |
| 00:37:28 | Shaid | your rockbox really likes you. ;) |
| 00:37:28 | robin0800 | soap didn't relise kcop had been committed this is what broke the build and not your patch |
| 00:37:30 | Llorean | C0EDBABE and DEADBEEE |
| 00:37:59 | Shaid | sounds like someone hid an easter egg in the code |
| 00:38:28 | dan_a | DEADBEEF is a stack overflow in Rockbox, DEADBEEE would be related. C0EDBABE might be from the Apple code |
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| 00:47:57 | mcphail | Hi. I'm trying the ipod-3g rockbox for the first time. It crashes (a lot). Is this a problem with the daily build? Would using an older build help? |
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| 00:48:40 | Llorean | mcphail: What exactly do you mean by 'crashes'? |
| 00:49:05 | mcphail | Llorean: locks up, especially when trying to power down |
| 00:49:13 | mcphail | Llorean: requiring reset |
| 00:49:52 | mcphail | Llorean: also randomly locks up when browsing or playing from database |
| 00:49:54 | dan_a | mcphail: I think that that problem is related to frequency scaling - try going into the debug menu, selecting CPU frequency and scrolling backwards to increase the "boost count" |
| 00:50:10 | mcphail | dan_a: thank you. i'll try that |
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| 00:51:27 | mcphail | dan_a: how far should i scroll back? |
| 00:51:51 | dan_a | mcphail: If you make the boost count 2 or 3, that should be fine |
| 00:52:09 | mcphail | dan_a: thanks |
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| 00:54:31 | dan_a | linuxstb_: Fixed here by r12609 - how does it look to you? |
| 00:54:38 | LinusN | JdGordon: three? |
| 00:54:42 | JdGordon | hey |
| 00:54:46 | LinusN | JdGordon: there, i mean |
| 00:55:01 | JdGordon | too tired to notice the tyoo :p |
| 00:55:02 | JdGordon | wassup? |
| 00:55:30 | LinusN | i'm working on fixing the issue where the "Resume" item isn't voiced |
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| 00:55:58 | JdGordon | ok |
| 00:56:01 | LinusN | (gave me quite a headache) :-) |
| 00:56:08 | JdGordon | hehe sorry :D |
| 00:56:32 | LinusN | i have a solution that works, but there is one quirk |
| 00:56:39 | donvito | has anyone here heard anything regarding the sansa rhapsody dev? |
| 00:57:02 | Llorean | donvito: The forum thread is, I believe, up to date. |
| 00:57:02 | LinusN | i must say that the way of handling dynamic menu items is not very handy |
| 00:57:38 | dan_a | donvito: None of the core developers have Rhapsodys, so all we know is what is in the thread |
| 00:57:45 | donvito | Llorean: ok, i was just checking, because no one's really said anything useful yet hah |
| 00:57:52 | JdGordon | yeah, unfortunatly it didnt work out as nicely as I hoped there... onplay.c becomes horrible after converting.. so im still working on it |
| 00:58:00 | donvito | dan_a: ahh i see |
| 00:58:20 | donvito | well i have a rhapsody, and i am willing to test things if needed |
| 00:58:35 | Llorean | Well, the forum thread says what needs to be tested. |
| 00:59:00 | LinusN | JdGordon: anyway, my solution is this: |
| 00:59:05 | donvito | like what bagder says on pg 45? |
| 00:59:12 | Llorean | Yes |
| 00:59:40 | donvito | ok, does the current emulator work with rhapsody fw? |
| 00:59:57 | LinusN | 1) always use P2STR() in gui/list.c for the list item string |
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| 01:00:19 | Llorean | donvito: The emulator isn't really related to this sort of testing |
| 01:01:20 | donvito | yea nvm stupid question ha |
| 01:01:35 | donvito | i guess im just asking because im also trying to figure something else out |
| 01:01:40 | LinusN | 2) let talk_menu_item() check for DYNAMIC_DESC and call the callback to get the string |
| 01:02:14 | LinusN | 3) let the get_wps_item_name() callback return the ID pointer instead of the string |
| 01:03:57 | JdGordon | isnt it easier to add a 2nd callback to the menu_get_name_and_icon struct in menu.h to get the voice id? |
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| 01:05:23 | LinusN | perhaps, but all these callbacks are driving me nuts |
| 01:05:41 | amiconn | LinusN: Could you add a new build, or will I have to wait for B4gder? |
| 01:06:04 | LinusN | only the get_wps_item_name() callback is called 4 times for every cursor movement |
| 01:06:10 | donvito | Llorean: is the bootloader linked in that thread specifically for the r or is it just re-encrypted |
| 01:06:19 | LinusN | amiconn: i'd rather let bagder do it |
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| 01:06:50 | stevepastelan | howdy |
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| 01:07:41 | Llorean | donvito: I'm not really sure. |
| 01:07:46 | dan_a | Hi, stevepastelan |
| 01:08:04 | donvito | Llorean: ok, well i am going to try a few things for a bit, ill let you know what happens |
| 01:08:24 | Llorean | donvito: Useful information should be recorded in the thread. |
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| 01:08:45 | donvito | Llorean: makes sense :] |
| 01:09:07 | JdGordon | LinusN: 4 times? |
| 01:09:32 | LinusN | yes |
| 01:10:08 | LinusN | i can imagine it being called for each screen (main and remote) |
| 01:10:26 | JdGordon | thats still only twice tho |
| 01:10:30 | LinusN | yes |
| 01:10:58 | JdGordon | but that really just means the list widget needs to buffer some lines |
| 01:11:09 | LinusN | btw, the selected item is not spoken when the root menu is first displayed |
| 01:11:48 | JdGordon | are any menus voiced when they are first entered? |
| 01:12:12 | LinusN | yes, the selected entry is spoken |
| 01:12:19 | stevepastelan | I have a general question |
| 01:12:26 | LinusN | stevepastelan: shoot |
| 01:12:42 | stevepastelan | I heard that rockbox improves the battery life of devices.. does that hold true for the iPod (Video)? |
| 01:12:47 | Llorean | No |
| 01:12:57 | stevepastelan | i.e. drains less than the official firmware |
| 01:13:03 | LinusN | stevepastelan: quite the opposite i'm afraid |
| 01:13:04 | stevepastelan | ah |
| 01:13:13 | Llorean | All of the PortalPlayer targets, including all currently supported iPods, have significantly worse battery life than they should right now. |
| 01:13:25 | cadu | perldiver, i prefer the 'a few hours' longer battery life model ;) |
| 01:13:56 | Llorean | cadu: I wouldn't sacrifice even half an hour of battery life for a 0.2 inch larger screen, personally. :) |
| 01:14:11 | cadu | me neither :) |
| 01:14:22 | cadu | i won't be looking at it at all :P |
| 01:14:34 | cadu | if it has a smaller screen, good to me |
| 01:14:42 | cadu | if i wanna -game- i get my handheld :P |
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| 01:14:51 | Llorean | Well, they're the same resolution anyway. |
| 01:15:08 | cadu | btw, how difficult would be to port rockbox to GP2X ? |
| 01:15:08 | LinusN | JdGordon: btw, what is this "buffer" argument supposed to be used for? |
| 01:15:24 | cadu | it has an u-boot standard bootloader (on these arm boards) |
| 01:15:33 | cadu | all hardware is documented , datasheets available |
| 01:15:34 | JdGordon | where? |
| 01:15:43 | Llorean | cadu: It'd pretty much just depend on how much time someone was willing to spend doing it. |
| 01:15:48 | Shaid | well, all you need is a developer who wants to port it, cadu. |
| 01:15:53 | LinusN | JdGordon: in the menu callbacks |
| 01:16:00 | robin0800 | I get a reported 9 hrs on ipod video 60gb with album art patch and 64mb memory patch |
| 01:16:24 | cadu | Shaid, no one here has one ? :P |
| 01:16:42 | JdGordon | LinusN: its the same as the list callback, so buffer is a static buffer to copy the text into (unless it can just be returned) |
| 01:17:14 | cadu | and another question....how difficult would be to put rockbox as a standalone application..like, run its kernel in usermode and redirect screen to say...a SDL surface and buttons to a joystick ? |
| 01:17:22 | Llorean | cadu: Almost everyone in this channel focuses on actual digital audio players, rather than converting game devices or other things into being digital audio players. |
| 01:17:38 | cadu | Llorean, oh got it :) |
| 01:17:40 | Llorean | cadu: And, see the UI simulator for 'Rockbox as a standalone SDL app' |
| 01:17:47 | LinusN | JdGordon: i see |
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| 01:18:41 | cadu | Llorean, link ? :) |
| 01:18:48 | | Part nls |
| 01:18:56 | Llorean | cadu: It's in the source. You just pick it as a compile option. |
| 01:19:04 | cadu | wow |
| 01:19:08 | cadu | doing it now :) |
| 01:19:16 | Llorean | It' simulate's the user interface of a specific player |
| 01:19:20 | Kasperle | wow. was something fundamental changed in rockbox? |
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| 01:19:24 | mcphail | Is there anyway to increase the scrollwheel sensitivity on the 3g-ipod? |
| 01:19:24 | Llorean | But it's basically a stand-alone SDL compile of Rockbox. |
| 01:19:27 | Kasperle | i'm getting tons of signedness warnings right now |
| 01:19:30 | cadu | Llorean, does it plays audio thruu OSS or ALSA ? |
| 01:19:42 | Llorean | I'm really not sure, but it does play audio. |
| 01:19:51 | Llorean | mcphail: Not at this time, no |
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| 01:20:09 | Kasperle | overlay.c:89: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of 'rb->open' differ in signedness |
| 01:20:28 | mcphail | Llorean: ok, is there any way to ignore the "The" in artist names? |
| 01:20:39 | Kasperle | like that. i don't recall there being that many warnings during a build |
| 01:20:44 | Llorean | Kasperle: You'll notice there aren't a whole bunch of warnings in the build table. Is there something non-standard about your environment? |
| 01:21:02 | Nuk3 | Quick question guys−−Is there an ETA for the rockbox iPod 80gig port? |
| 01:21:05 | Llorean | mcphail: There's a patch in the tracker for that, but you have to compile. |
| 01:21:10 | Kasperle | Llorean: i'm on FreeBSD, other than that, no. |
| 01:21:13 | Llorean | Nuk3: No. It'll be done when it gets done. |
| 01:21:31 | LinusN | i'm getting a nasty noise at the end of each spoken item (X5) |
| 01:21:32 | mcphail | Llorean: will it be entering the main trunk build any time soon? |
| 01:21:33 | Nuk3 | Llorean−−understood. |
| 01:21:45 | Llorean | mcphail: Who knows. |
| 01:21:56 | LinusN | i wonder if my voice file is b0rked |
| 01:22:03 | * | jhMikeS can't even get voice to run again after loading settings and rebooting on H120 |
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| 01:24:17 | Kasperle | Llorean: does the build table even display warnings? |
| 01:24:25 | Llorean | Kasperle: Yes. |
| 01:24:34 | jhMikeS | resetting them brings it back :\ |
| 01:24:35 | Llorean | Yellow builds are warnings, red are errors. |
| 01:24:52 | Kasperle | strange |
| 01:25:48 | JdGordon | how do you extract a 7z archive? |
| 01:25:59 | JdGordon | tzr x blaa.7z does nothing |
| 01:27:01 | Kasperle | 7zip is some archiver software. might have its own nonstandard format |
| 01:27:07 | Kasperle | i think it's open source, too |
| 01:27:59 | LinusN | JdGordon: it seems the first item is spoken on the target, but not in the sim |
| 01:28:50 | linuxstb | Kasperle: Which gcc version do you have? |
| 01:28:57 | Kasperle | linuxstb: 4.0.3 |
| 01:29:03 | Kasperle | linuxstb: compiled with rockboxdev.sh |
| 01:30:49 | JdGordon | LinusN: well that makes sense :p |
| 01:32:54 | dan_a | Kasperle: Have you tried doing a make clean and then reconfiguring? |
| 01:33:04 | * | jhMikeS trying to test his but is having a futile attempt at getting a drive letter to show up |
| 01:33:21 | Kasperle | dan_a: i think i did. i just tried again in a fresh shell and the warnings are gone |
| 01:33:49 | Kasperle | i'm pretty sure i cleaned out and configured before, sorry |
| 01:34:46 | JdGordon | haha voice in the rockbox info screen is funny :D |
| 01:35:06 | linuxstb | dan_a: I've just tried rolo - when I try to rolo Rockbox, it works, but I don't get any threads on the COP :( |
| 01:35:25 | linuxstb | The codec thread is created on the main cpu. |
| 01:36:08 | dan_a | linuxstb: Hmmm - that means that the COP doesn't run init_threads() |
| 01:36:12 | linuxstb | And then if I try rolo again, it just freezes on "Waiting for coprocessor..." |
| 01:36:53 | donvito | can an inncorrectly patched BL for a sansa brick it completely? |
| 01:38:42 | dan_a | donvito: Eh? Who patches their Sansa BLs? |
| 01:39:07 | donvito | dan_a: its a rhapsody, im trying to get rockbox to boot |
| 01:39:50 | dan_a | I know - what are you patching the bootloader with? |
| 01:40:26 | donvito | dan_a: well mi4code blpatch |
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| 01:42:50 | Kasperle | linuxstb: fwiw, the same happens on my 5.5g with a fresh build |
| 01:43:11 | perldiver | quick menu (shuffle, repeat, show file) looks weird on gigabeat now |
| 01:43:19 | perldiver | shuffle and repeat |
| 01:43:26 | perldiver | are not alligned |
| 01:43:46 | JdGordon | LinusN: your right! its not voiced in the sim bu i is ont hte target... that makes no sense :p |
| 01:43:53 | Llorean | perldiver: Aligned how? |
| 01:43:57 | JdGordon | perldiver: the text hasnt been alligned for ages |
| 01:44:12 | LinusN | JdGordon: probably some weird race or something |
| 01:44:17 | Llorean | perldiver: Shuffle has always been slightly above repeat |
| 01:44:22 | perldiver | what i mean is that "shuffe" is higher than "repeat" now |
| 01:44:28 | JdGordon | or a sdl sound problem or something? |
| 01:44:35 | LinusN | JdGordon: possibly |
| 01:44:36 | perldiver | Llorean really? it was always on the same line for me till today |
| 01:44:43 | Llorean | perldiver: No, it wasn't. |
| 01:44:46 | JdGordon | perldiver: its probably more noticable if your using a custom font |
| 01:45:04 | perldiver | maybe it was but wasn't enough to pay attention to |
| 01:45:08 | LinusN | btw, the noise in my voice playback is a festival/lame issue |
| 01:45:11 | perldiver | now it's much higher |
| 01:45:26 | dan_a | donvito: I don't think that blpatch is intended for Sansas - you should be able to recover with e200tool, but are you trying this because someone has suggested it, or because the option was there? |
| 01:45:31 | roolku | perldiver: the right arrow is above the Repeat now - that is what looks odd |
| 01:45:55 | JdGordon | perldiver: which font? |
| 01:46:14 | donvito | dan_a: ok, thats kind of what i thought, i was just trying it, because i was reading what bagder was saying on the forums about patching th bl to accept the rockbox mi4 |
| 01:46:47 | perldiver | JdGordon helvR12 |
| 01:46:51 | donvito | dan_a: i think all that needs to be done is to get the BL patched to accept the rockbox mi4, and then well be in business |
| 01:47:06 | perldiver | roolku that too |
| 01:47:16 | LinusN | JdGordon: i think selecting "Resume playback" and pressing Play should do the same thing |
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| 01:47:33 | JdGordon | I dont... |
| 01:47:38 | LinusN | why not? |
| 01:47:46 | JdGordon | if that were the case, and fm was playing, how could you resume your playlist? |
| 01:47:48 | dan_a | donvito: Can't we sign the Rockbox .mi4 with the Rhapsody key? |
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| 01:47:55 | perldiver | it's all messy now, i swear it was almost perfect in the past |
| 01:47:57 | Llorean | LinusN: Then the option needs to say "Resume Audio" not "Playback" |
| 01:48:09 | LinusN | hmmm |
| 01:48:27 | donvito | dan_a: well are you talking about the pp5022.mi4 bootloader that bagder mentioned in that thread? (its ~50kb) |
| 01:48:43 | LinusN | JdGordon: i guess you're right |
| 01:49:14 | Llorean | perldiver: It hasn't changed how it displayes |
| 01:49:17 | LinusN | we definitely need to eat our own dog food regarding the voice support |
| 01:49:22 | JdGordon | this gb sim is bloody huge! |
| 01:49:29 | Llorean | perldiver: You're using a different font, with different spacing, and so it looks different, but it's an aspect of your font. |
| 01:49:37 | dan_a | donvito: Any mi4 which we make. The first step will be to decrypt the original Rhapsody mi4, re-encrypt it and run that |
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| 01:49:43 | JdGordon | LinusN: ??? what the heck does that mean? |
| 01:49:45 | perldiver | Llorean yeah but it was perfect with this font |
| 01:49:51 | perldiver | im using it for ages now |
| 01:49:57 | Llorean | perldiver: The screen was never displayed in your font until now |
| 01:50:04 | perldiver | oh |
| 01:50:07 | Llorean | perldiver: Prior to the change, that screen always used the same font no matter which you had set. |
| 01:50:10 | LinusN | it means that we should try to navigate without looking at the screen to verify the voice |
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| 01:50:14 | donvito | dan_a: so you mean decrypt the original fw and then re-encrypt it? |
| 01:50:23 | perldiver | Llorean so this is the case here, i see |
| 01:50:39 | JdGordon | perldiver: ok, ive got the sim open, i see what you mean |
| 01:50:42 | dan_a | donvito: Yes |
| 01:50:49 | Llorean | JdGordon: It's just that it looks bad with that font. |
| 01:50:56 | Llorean | JdGordon: With Rockbox_default it looks exactly as it did before. |
| 01:51:05 | donvito | dan_a: ok, with what key? the dummy or something else/ |
| 01:51:08 | perldiver | gotcha |
| 01:51:11 | JdGordon | of course.. i tihnk the icon positions are hardcoded for the sysfont |
| 01:51:34 | Llorean | Probably |
| 01:51:41 | Llorean | The icons should be fixed. |
| 01:51:46 | dan_a | donvito: Try the dummy one, and try the Rhapsody one |
| 01:51:48 | JdGordon | yep |
| 01:52:26 | donvito | dan_a: ok |
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| 01:58:22 | * | amiconn wonders whether he should edit the frontpage right now, before B4gder added the build |
| 01:58:31 | LinusN | do that |
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| 02:01:50 | Llorean | And oddly enough there's no 'New Ports' thread for me to close |
| 02:02:02 | amiconn | hehe |
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| 02:05:01 | linuxstb_ | Is the M3 next? |
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| 02:10:48 | JdGordon | is there an easy way to get the y pixel that a line starts on? |
| 02:11:07 | JdGordon | font_height*line doesnt work, i guess because there is a gap between lines :'( |
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| 02:15:11 | bonbonthejon | JdGordon: (font_height+1)* line, maybe |
| 02:15:48 | cadu | rockbox does crossfading ? |
| 02:15:55 | LinusN | yes |
| 02:16:02 | cadu | woohoo. |
| 02:16:36 | JdGordon | bonbonthejon: closer.. but still off |
| 02:17:16 | bonbonthejon | JdGordon: i'm just guessing, maybe its +2, one on top, one on bottom |
| 02:17:40 | Llorean | Don't different font sizes have different vertical spacings? |
| 02:17:44 | bonbonthejon | JdGordon: how could i write and compile a plugin? what is the process |
| 02:17:46 | Llorean | er, different fonts, rather |
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| 02:19:04 | JdGordon | bonbonthejon: guide on the wiki... |
| 02:19:13 | bonbonthejon | JdGordon: ok, ill look |
| 02:19:23 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: Look at the implementation of lcd_puts() - lcd_getstringsize(str, &w, &h); ypos = ymargin + y*h; |
| 02:20:47 | JdGordon | i was looking at the scroll implementation.. but it does the same thing |
| 02:23:37 | cadu | perldiver, Toshiba MEGF40S....buying this week :) |
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| 02:23:43 | LinusN | nite all |
| 02:23:46 | JdGordon | cya |
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| 02:24:02 | JdGordon | why cant we set a line to scroll on any x/y point? |
| 02:25:59 | amiconn | linuxstb: M3 will be somewhat harder. (1) Power management must be different - no PCF50606 (2) We have to teach the gui api that there can be a remote lcd with no main lcd |
| 02:27:08 | cadu | the toshiba gigabeat port supports the 'cross' as a scroll too ? |
| 02:27:17 | Soap | do I need to run rockboxdev.sh again after dan_a's reworkings? |
| 02:28:07 | JdGordon | amiconn: for (2) it shouldnt be all that hard, it still only has 1 screen then, so just make SCREEN_MAIN actually the remote for that target |
| 02:28:25 | amiconn | That wouldn't be wise |
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| 02:28:46 | amiconn | The remote is conceptually different from the main lcd, as it can be detached |
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| 02:29:58 | cadu | like, can i slide my finger and scroll playlist/menus ? |
| 02:30:04 | Llorean | cadu: No. |
| 02:30:13 | Llorean | The four directions on it are treated as buttons. |
| 02:30:25 | cadu | okay :) |
| 02:30:40 | Llorean | It may not be to everyone's liking, but I certainly like it that way |
| 02:30:46 | cadu | that would be super :P |
| 02:30:51 | cadu | Llorean, toggle option ;) |
| 02:31:13 | Llorean | cadu: I just don't like the idea of having to pick up my finger while scrolling long lists. |
| 02:31:52 | cadu | Llorean, like, you separate your songs in albums right? can you create playlists on the fly by adding full directories ? |
| 02:32:05 | cadu | and if so, does it read subdirs inside those too ? |
| 02:32:26 | JdGordon | yes and yes if its enabled |
| 02:32:27 | Llorean | cadu: Yes. Many of your questions will be answered in the manual |
| 02:32:39 | cadu | Llorean, okay, sorry for bugging. |
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| 02:35:58 | BigMac | Why is this syntax for coverart not working |
| 02:35:59 | BigMac | %Cl|5|8|100|100| |
| 02:36:26 | dan_a | Soap: (I notice this didn't get into the logs...) No, not yet at least. That's for something I'm going to start playing with |
| 02:38:49 | BigMac | That is what the wiki said |
| 02:38:53 | Llorean | BigMac: Cover Art is not a feature of Rockbox, you should ask either the patch provider or the provider of whichever build you're having problems with. |
| 02:41:02 | BigMac | Llorean: Yah, but it has a patch in the tracker, I built it myself, it has a page in the rockbox wiki, and I was just asking if I was using the correct syntax |
| 02:41:58 | amiconn | ooops |
| 02:42:18 | amiconn | The build table has become _very_ wide now |
| 02:42:35 | amiconn | Looks like LinusN forgot to add vertical text gfx |
| 02:44:42 | JdGordon | also the .zip |
| 02:49:09 | Soap | thank you dan_a |
| 02:50:02 | cadu | perldiver, as i said, japan is a prick. |
| 02:50:16 | cadu | perldiver, even on amazon.com , all older series models are in 'not shipping' state :P |
| 02:50:25 | cadu | s/amazon.com/amazon.co.jp |
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| 03:29:56 | riffic | hi |
| 03:30:48 | riffic | today's build for ipod 5g seems to be suffering from all sorts of instablities, am I supposed to be using this version? |
| 03:32:57 | Llorean | riffic: Have you updated your bootloader recently? |
| 03:34:33 | riffic | nope |
| 03:34:37 | riffic | i'll give that a try |
| 03:34:48 | riffic | doh, cable is in the car |
| 03:37:34 | riffic | has the bootloader changed by much? |
| 03:38:31 | Llorean | Well, the new version (with the black backdrop) is required for the coprocessor changes to function properly |
| 03:38:39 | riffic | ah |
| 03:38:44 | riffic | okay i'll give that a shot |
| 03:41:21 | riffic | oh I think I ran down the battery =( |
| 03:41:35 | riffic | charge damnit |
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| 03:43:43 | riffic | oh its not charging |
| 03:44:24 | riffic | ah there it goes |
| 03:44:25 | riffic | scared me |
| 03:44:39 | riffic | ipodpatcher needs to be run with sudo? |
| 03:46:15 | riffic | oh nice black background |
| 03:47:09 | riffic | you guys are beautiful |
| 03:49:15 | riffic | now I can listen to the new wilco lp |
| 03:49:24 | riffic | sky blue sky |
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| 05:09:10 | pleahelp | wow |
| 05:09:29 | pleahelp | Lot's of people here - that's great to see... I need help to a simple question |
| 05:10:39 | pleahelp | I learned from reading the forums, that there is a way to increase font size, that was, to check the daily builds for font size increases - I searched there... but couldn't find it... then I read over the manual (couldn't find help there), so if someone would please help me find out a way to increase the font size so my eyes don't hurt, that would be greatly appreciated. |
| 05:11:00 | midgey | have you installed the font package? |
| 05:11:35 | pleahelp | sorry.... no I have not ... I saw on the forums that was on the "current build" page, but I could not find it there |
| 05:11:44 | midgey | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts.zip |
| 05:12:33 | pleahelp | well - thanks for helping out a noob.. I know you probably get these lame questions all the time (trust me, I tried to prevent this by doing my own research before hand) - Thanks for the help... have downloaded the file now and will take a look... have a great day |
| 05:12:49 | midgey | no problem |
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| 05:23:31 | Nimdae | it seems i found a problem with the latest build of rockbox for 5g |
| 05:24:00 | Nimdae | it won't play |
| 05:24:24 | Nimdae | it says play but it doesn't do anything |
| 05:24:50 | Febs | You need to have the most current bootloader installed. |
| 05:25:08 | Nimdae | i have a recent one |
| 05:25:33 | Nimdae | enough to get cop working |
| 05:25:55 | Nimdae | heh, it detected usb connection and froze |
| 05:26:29 | Nimdae | ok i'm gonna get the latest bootloader |
| 05:27:03 | Nimdae | also, on the build page, the new iaudio m5 build images don't show right, heh |
| 05:30:39 | bonbonthejon | is there somewhere that documents the new menu structure, the manuals don't mention the new way |
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| 05:36:21 | Nimdae | afk while rockbox build |
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| 05:44:20 | Nimdae | are there tools for building a win32 binary of the ipodpatcher in linux? |
| 05:44:25 | Nimdae | ls |
| 05:44:29 | Nimdae | wrong window, heh |
| 05:45:18 | Nimdae | the bootloader is bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod, right? |
| 05:48:34 | Nimdae | did the wiki go down? |
| 05:49:19 | bonbonthejon | Nimdae: no the wiki is fine here |
| 05:49:32 | Nimdae | i can't reach it |
| 05:49:35 | Nimdae | :( |
| 05:50:21 | Nimdae | interesting |
| 05:50:50 | Nimdae | i went to www.rockbox.com, then clicked on the wiki from there and the same page loads fine |
| 05:50:54 | Nimdae | anyway, back to patching |
| 05:51:01 | Febs | Nimdae: you should be able to simply run ipodpatcher from here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=IpodInstallationBeta |
| 05:55:12 | Nimdae | yeah, i was trying to load that page but it kept timing out |
| 05:55:19 | Nimdae | i got it now though |
| 05:55:37 | Nimdae | new bootloader installed |
| 05:56:23 | Nimdae | ok it appears to play now |
| 05:57:31 | Nimdae | the new menu stuff is very nice |
| 05:57:58 | Nimdae | figuring it out without a manual is not though :P |
| 05:59:02 | Nimdae | sweet, usb reboot works now |
| 05:59:54 | bonbonthejon | Nimdae: I agree, I wanted to work on the manual, but I dont know where to start |
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| 06:00:59 | Febs | bonbonthejon: there are a couple of ways that you could work on the manual. |
| 06:01:19 | Febs | Are you at all familiar with LaTeX? |
| 06:02:08 | bonbonthejon | not particularly |
| 06:02:44 | Febs | In that case, you can just write up the changes that you think should be made and submit them to the patch tracker as patches under the category "manual." |
| 06:06:12 | perldiver | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcrQmNFGfOs&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fdapreview%2Enet%2Fnews%2Ephp |
| 06:07:48 | bonbonthejon | Febs: ok. another question, why isnt more of the manual instead in the wiki |
| 06:08:10 | bonbonthejon | Febs: I mean, it seems like there are two sources of info, couldnt they be combined |
| 06:09:19 | Febs | I'm sure that there are instances where that is the case. However, I think that the manual is intended to be the ultimate end-user guide. |
| 06:09:49 | Febs | It's the compilation of all of the relevant information. |
| 06:10:26 | Febs | And it's something that can be downloaded, printed out and kept as a reference, which is not something that can be easily done with the wiki. |
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| 06:11:03 | bonbonthejon | true |
| 06:11:18 | Febs | And we do consolidate when possible. For example: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=WikiManual |
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| 06:13:03 | Febs | On the other hand, there are instances, like the IpodInstallationBeta page I linked to earlier, where information is duplicated. |
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| 06:17:19 | bonbonthejon | Febs: how do i get a copy of the manual to edit in latex |
| 06:17:29 | Llorean | Anyone with a 5G in here? |
| 06:17:38 | bonbonthejon | 4G |
| 06:17:47 | Febs | bonbonthejon: It's part of the Rockbox source. You can download it from SVN. |
| 06:17:59 | bonbonthejon | Febs: can i donload only the manual |
| 06:18:31 | piercedb0i | I just did something with my nano that I've never done before...I cant do it now though.. |
| 06:18:36 | Febs | I don't know. I've never tried to download only part of the source, but if you want to try, it's contained in the directory trunk/manual. |
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| 06:18:44 | Febs | Llorean: yes. |
| 06:18:58 | Llorean | Febs: Mind looking at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6735 briefly? |
| 06:19:13 | Llorean | It sounds like something that everyone should notice instantly if it's happening as described. |
| 06:19:24 | Febs | I saw it. I can partly duplicate the bug. |
| 06:19:37 | Llorean | Partly? |
| 06:20:00 | Febs | If I play music and then let the disk spin down, and then enter the file browser, the disk will spin up again and continue to spin for a couple of minutes. |
| 06:20:22 | piercedb0i | Anyone have a 2nd Gen Nano? |
| 06:20:25 | Febs | The bug report suggests that the disk will spin constantly, but I haven't been able to duplicate that. |
| 06:20:52 | Febs | Nevertheless, there seems to be a lot of unnecessary disk activity. |
| 06:21:04 | Llorean | Man, I wish Flyspray had a "confirmed" status. The closest seems to be "assigned" |
| 06:22:16 | JdGordon | Llorean: it does have a confirmed/... doesnt it? |
| 06:22:25 | Llorean | JdGordon: Nope |
| 06:22:30 | Llorean | It has "unconfirmed" |
| 06:24:28 | JdGordon | we should start tihynking about using the assign feature of fs... |
| 06:24:58 | Llorean | Only so far as assigning things to yourself, as if to say "I got this one, guys" |
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| 06:25:16 | combrains | does nayone know when the button backlight code for the gigabeat f series will make it into the mainstream settings menu for the target? |
| 06:25:18 | Llorean | Or assigning the blame "I'm reasonably certain this one's JDGordon's fault" and so forth. |
| 06:25:25 | piercedb0i | Is it normal to be able to get into Ipod Diagnostics on the Nano 2nd gen? |
| 06:26:16 | JdGordon | Llorean: haha yea i guess so |
| 06:26:23 | Llorean | piercedb0i: You can on all the other iPods, I believe. |
| 06:27:09 | Febs | After clearing settings, I don't get the disk spinup when entering the file browser. |
| 06:27:26 | piercedb0i | I've never done it before and I was just messing around and it kicked on. I can change the color of the backlight its odd.. |
| 06:27:43 | Llorean | Febs: That's very strange, that is. |
| 06:27:50 | Febs | I get a short spinup each time I switch directories, but not the constant spinning for a couple of minutes that happened upon entering the file browser. |
| 06:28:16 | Llorean | Well that short spinup is pretty regular for the disk targets with dircache off, though. |
| 06:28:32 | Febs | Yes. |
| 06:29:07 | Febs | Let's see what happens when I turn the dircache on. |
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| 06:33:33 | Llorean | Febs: Apparently it may have something to do with the font. |
| 06:33:39 | Febs | Same behavior. Short spinup on switching directories, but no extended HD activity. |
| 06:33:50 | Febs | Font, eh? |
| 06:33:54 | JdGordon | shouldnt have anything to do with the font? |
| 06:33:58 | Llorean | He says a larger font causes the problem |
| 06:34:00 | JdGordon | but that is strang |
| 06:34:04 | Llorean | Maybe the glyph cache is screwed up? |
| 06:35:34 | Febs | When I was experiencing the problem earlier, I was using the Rockboxed theme. I just tried reloading that theme, but cannot replicate the problem. |
| 06:35:50 | JdGordon | im willing to bet its voice related |
| 06:36:02 | JdGordon | thats the only reason the disk sohuld spin up when entering menus |
| 06:36:28 | Llorean | My first thought was voice too, but then why would he be able to reproduce it by changing to a large filesize font? |
| 06:37:12 | JdGordon | he is using a non standard font (which probably is (c) 'ed) i rekon close the report and not worry about it :D |
| 06:37:22 | JdGordon | or the glyph cache isnt large enough for the font |
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| 06:37:47 | JdGordon | all very odd :p |
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| 06:39:27 | Llorean | What's the largest included font? Unifont? |
| 06:40:13 | JdGordon | I assume it will have to do with the glyph dimensions not only the char count |
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| 06:46:10 | smably | JdGordon: thanks for fixing the remote scrolling bug :) |
| 06:47:42 | Febs | I can't replicate the problem using the ter-u24 font. |
| 06:51:15 | Llorean | Febs: He sent me the fonts he was using, and I can get some additional spinups with one of them at least. |
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| 06:52:31 | Llorean | But I haven't found an included font I can reproduce it with |
| 06:52:53 | JdGordon | Llorean: can you put the font somehwere for us? |
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| 06:53:55 | Llorean | Actually, just got some extra spinups with Unifont. |
| 06:54:17 | Llorean | In the menus even. |
| 06:54:27 | Llorean | Including lag opening one of them, while waiting for a spinup |
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| 06:56:30 | Febs | I've been able to get an extra spinup here or there, but I haven't been able to replicate the issue where the HD spins up and continues to spin for several minutes. |
| 06:57:03 | JdGordon | Febs: in the trees, if the disk is spining and a button is pressed it will keep spinning |
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| 06:57:18 | ryran | hola everyone |
| 06:57:43 | Febs | Hello. |
| 06:58:26 | Llorean | ryran: Hola. Just sent you a last PM regarding my experiences with the issue. |
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| 06:58:43 | ryran | ah coo. JDG, check your email |
| 06:59:36 | JdGordon | ta |
| 07:00 |
| 07:01:35 | ryran | btw Llorean, regarding spin-downs, just so you know it's the same for me: they're always brief |
| 07:02:27 | Llorean | ryran: Okay, it was a bit unclear whether the all the time meant frequent spinups, or that the spin continued all the time. |
| 07:05:25 | JdGordon | did you say it was more or less reproducable if music is playing? |
| 07:05:36 | ryran | apparently, more |
| 07:05:47 | Llorean | I had no problem reproducing it with music off. |
| 07:05:54 | ryran | ah |
| 07:06:03 | ryran | could've just been my brain jumping to conclusions about buffering |
| 07:06:14 | JdGordon | with music off I would assume it would be more aparent because there is less liklyhood the disk is spinning |
| 07:06:34 | JdGordon | anyway, yeah, the problem is MAX_FONT_SIZE is too rediculously small |
| 07:06:37 | Llorean | Well, once your music's buffered you've got 15-45 minutes before it'll need to buffer again depending on bitrate anyway |
| 07:06:46 | ryran | ooooo |
| 07:06:47 | Llorean | Did MAX_FONT_SIZE get changed recently? |
| 07:06:56 | JdGordon | doubt it |
| 07:07:18 | * | JdGordon checks |
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| 07:07:41 | JdGordon | not for 5000 revisions :p |
| 07:08:01 | ryran | hah |
| 07:08:08 | ryran | I guess very few people are using larger fonts |
| 07:08:09 | * | JdGordon wants general-purpose dynamic allocation! |
| 07:08:36 | JdGordon | ryran: can you compile your own build? |
| 07:08:52 | ryran | yes |
| 07:09:22 | JdGordon | ok, play with the MAX_FONT_SIZE define in firmware/export/font.h up the top untill its less anoying |
| 07:09:33 | JdGordon | 10K isnt very much for large fonts |
| 07:11:22 | Llorean | Then again 1/3 of our fonts are fully less than 10k flat out. |
| 07:11:31 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 07:11:56 | lostlogic | what's the font caching strategy? LRU? |
| 07:12:03 | JdGordon | unifont is 1.3MB! |
| 07:12:05 | JdGordon | yup |
| 07:12:10 | Llorean | Unifont is gigantic. |
| 07:12:21 | Llorean | But it's supposed to be the most complete unicode font in existence, isn't it? |
| 07:12:54 | * | JdGordon wonders is we can load chars from multiple font files (if they are the same glyph dimensions) |
| 07:13:02 | ryran | hmm... didn't think to try unifont to reproduce... the ones that I've been using are only ~200k |
| 07:13:28 | lostlogic | Font: Random (6x13)? |
| 07:13:36 | lostlogic | would be amusing. |
| 07:14:18 | JdGordon | more like you have the ascii glyps in a base-6x16.fnt then you have <subset>-6x16.fnt ... |
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| 07:14:46 | lostlogic | ooh, you had an actual _reason_ for wanting it, not just amusement. |
| 07:14:49 | JdGordon | then there is more chance your glyphs will be in the cache |
| 07:14:54 | JdGordon | hehe yeah |
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| 07:16:09 | ryran | totally newbish svn question: is there an undocumented switch to the svn update command (or some other way) that updates everything, discarding any and all local changes? |
| 07:16:36 | scorche | ryran: man svn |
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| 07:17:01 | Llorean | ryran: svn revert -R *, then svn update (or do it in the other order) |
| 07:18:19 | JdGordon | we could make the font cache size customizable... |
| 07:19:26 | Llorean | JdGordon: Like the max files in folder option? |
| 07:19:31 | JdGordon | yeah |
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| 07:20:02 | Llorean | With how big some fonts are, that seems reasonable, since the only other options are 'make it permanently bigger' and 'make its size be dependent on the screen size, kinda like the WPS image buffer' |
| 07:20:40 | ryran | hah |
| 07:20:43 | ryran | you guys rock |
| 07:20:50 | JdGordon | We could actually make both those buffers reallocate their size on the fly, kinda like dircache does... but everyone is against any sort of malloc, so it wont happen :'( |
| 07:23:03 | Llorean | Dircache doesn't really reallocate is size on the fly does it? |
| 07:23:52 | JdGordon | no, i meant that it saves its needed size, and allocates that on boot if its known |
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| 07:31:38 | JdGordon | hmmm.... this may not work |
| 07:31:44 | JdGordon | font are loaded too early |
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| 07:33:14 | JdGordon | ah, no they arn't |
| 07:33:32 | amiconn | This was already discussed several times |
| 07:34:06 | JdGordon | it was? |
| 07:34:07 | amiconn | A font cache size setting would be rather obscure to a user |
| 07:34:38 | amiconn | The font cache size could be made dependent on the lcd size, but that's it |
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| 07:35:23 | JdGordon | how about when a font is loaded, if its too large, ask the user if they want to reallocate room for the font (which could pause playback)? |
| 07:35:32 | ryran | well I changed max_font_size to 300k and over a minute I couldn't reproduce the spin-ups using my 200k fonts... YAY! (obviously very reproduceable w/unifont) thanks for the work-around JDG. |
| 07:35:34 | JdGordon | then do as dircache and allocate the privous amount of room? |
| 07:36:27 | amiconn | Variable allocation also doesn't make much sense: true unicode fonts are multi-megabyte, but you only ever need a fraction of the glyphs |
| 07:36:55 | JdGordon | its not lcd dependant tho.. its language dependant |
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| 07:37:27 | amiconn | It is as well lcd dependent, because you can user larger fonts on a larger lcd |
| 07:37:38 | JdGordon | trrue |
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| 07:38:00 | amiconn | markun has something in the works that makes more efficient use of the given font cache size |
| 07:38:33 | JdGordon | looking at the file sizes, 100k looks like a better value than 10k for swcodec |
| 07:40:17 | amiconn | What does that have to do with the codec? |
| 07:40:46 | amiconn | I'm sure tomal would get angry if you just increase the font cache size for swcodec... |
| 07:41:16 | JdGordon | nothing.. but swcodec is the plenty of ram targets |
| 07:41:21 | Llorean | JdGordon: Except iFP |
| 07:41:29 | JdGordon | bah, yeah forgot about that one |
| 07:41:45 | JdGordon | MEM > 8 then |
| 07:41:47 | amiconn | JdGordon: Never draw conclusions like this |
| 07:42:12 | amiconn | The font cache size should at maximum depend on the lcd size, but nothing else |
| 07:42:54 | amiconn | We use these feature definitions because we want to stay flexible, so don't make things depend on the wrong features |
| 07:43:21 | ryran | ugh |
| 07:43:39 | Llorean | What's the largest 'language' character set? |
| 07:43:55 | JdGordon | chinese i think |
| 07:44:14 | amiconn | JdGordon: Btw, LinusN indirectly found another case of menu_string != settings_headline |
| 07:44:14 | JdGordon | or japanese? something from the east :p |
| 07:44:22 | JdGordon | cool :) |
| 07:44:47 | JdGordon | google says chinese |
| 07:44:53 | amiconn | ...and he added a voice string because you did use the settings headline (which doesn't need to be voiced) for the menu (where it needs to) |
| 07:45:20 | amiconn | Now there are 2 voice clips, meaning the voice file unnecessarily takes more space... :\ |
| 07:46:10 | amiconn | I'm talking about "Channel configuration". This always was just "Channels" in the menu |
| 07:46:32 | JdGordon | I saw the commit.... |
| 07:46:45 | JdGordon | Channels in the menu sucks anyway imo |
| 07:47:15 | amiconn | Please make it use either one or the other, but not both, and drop the other. The recording settings still use "Channels" |
| 07:47:46 | smably | JdGordon: i had an idea for the menus; maybe you've already considered this, but what do you think of using icons to indicate the values for boolean settings? |
| 07:47:51 | smably | feasible, or even desirable? |
| 07:48:26 | JdGordon | smably: feasle yes, but wouldnt look so good... have a look in the forums, there is a possibility of showing the value of every setting in the menu |
| 07:48:45 | smably | ok, i'll have a look :) |
| 07:48:58 | JdGordon | dont bother trying the patch tho.. its way out of date |
| 07:49:04 | JdGordon | but the pic looks good :p |
| 07:50:20 | smably | ah, found it |
| 07:50:32 | JdGordon | amiconn: linus should have fixed that instead of making Channel configuration voicable... if we do want to use 2 strings for that setting... |
| 07:51:25 | amiconn | I'm not saying we should use 2 strings for that setting, but now the one for playback and the one for recording use different strings... |
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| 07:56:15 | Rix | My ipod is stuffed |
| 07:57:43 | Llorean | Stuffed is a pretty vague term |
| 07:58:26 | Rix | well its going to the rockbox boot screen then does nothing |
| 07:59:03 | ryran | I don't know how you do it Llorean...where would rockbox be without you? |
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| 08:00:26 | Llorean | Rix: Where, exactly, does it stop at? |
| 08:00:50 | Llorean | ryran: Well, on average, I think our forums would be considered a friendlier place. :-P |
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| 08:01:23 | ryran | pfft. perhaps. but I bet the devs wouldn't go in there anymore, ever. |
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| 08:14:06 | tucoz | Slasheri, I added the audiohw_reset() in the init method of apps/main.c, but it still beeped as i booted today |
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| 08:14:45 | tucoz | Slasheri, I think it is the bootloader as it happens instantly when i press play to power on |
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| 08:36:16 | amiconn | hi LinusN |
| 08:36:48 | LinusN | hi |
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| 08:37:24 | amiconn | The size delta table is still looking a bit strange: it doesn't take the missing column into account (further down) |
| 08:37:54 | amiconn | Oh, and the link to the .zip is also missing |
| 08:38:20 | tucoz | I haven't followed the logs lately, but the commits. What is the status of the M5? |
| 08:38:47 | amiconn | tucoz: It's working nicely. Just some minor quirks left |
| 08:38:59 | amiconn | (like charger etection vs. usb power) |
| 08:39:38 | amiconn | I'll scan the M5 today (and also the X5/M5 remote) |
| 08:39:56 | tucoz | wow, cool. congratulations on an incredibly quick port :) |
| 08:41:05 | decayedcell__ | yeah it sort of came out of nowhere OO |
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| 08:41:54 | LinusN | amiconn: the size table is a little tedious to fix |
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| 09:03:28 | JdGordon | so what should we do with the font bug on FS? close it? |
| 09:03:55 | LinusN | the font cache thing? |
| 09:05:13 | LinusN | close it with "Works for me" and let him reopen it if he manages to reproduce it |
| 09:06:01 | Llorean | LinusN: It's definitely reproduceable. |
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| 09:06:24 | Llorean | Though only if you're using large fonts. |
| 09:06:28 | LinusN | ok |
| 09:07:07 | LinusN | well, i guess the only solution would be to enlarge the glyph cache, right? |
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| 09:07:46 | Llorean | Can we precache certain characters, like say either standard ASCII, or all the ones used by the current .lang? |
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| 09:08:06 | amiconn | Llorean: The font code does precache characters |
| 09:08:10 | Llorean | Ah, okay |
| 09:08:34 | amiconn | ...the ones that were cached in the previous session, i.e. it's dynamic |
| 09:08:49 | amiconn | LinusN: Check the log around 90 minutes back |
| 09:08:58 | Llorean | It seems to me there should at least be an effort made to ensure you don't have to wait on a disk spinup while navigating the menus |
| 09:09:02 | * | amiconn is curious what markun will come up with |
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| 09:12:33 | thewho | Hi. A have a H120. Shouldn't the main menu have the item "Now playing" instead of "Resume playback" when the FM radio is active? |
| 09:13:00 | LinusN | thewho: no |
| 09:13:02 | linuxstb_ | If you did that, how would you resume playback? |
| 09:13:15 | linuxstb_ | You already have an FM Radio entry in the menu. |
| 09:13:22 | LinusN | amiconn: i see the log, what can i do to fix it? |
| 09:14:01 | thewho | linuxstb_: only if I'm listening to the radio. If nothing is playing, the menu item would be "Rsume playback" and activating it would start mp3 playback. |
| 09:15:18 | Llorean | thewho: The option relates to playback, which by very definition of the word, is playing back of a file. Why should there at any point be two options that both take you to the FM Radio screen? |
| 09:15:23 | thewho | LinusN: OTOH you're right in the sense that when FM radio is active nothing is "playing". It's making noises/sound but it's not "playing" |
| 09:15:49 | thewho | Llorean: hehe. Simultaneous shooting :-) |
| 09:16:23 | LinusN | i must say that the MAX_FONT_SIZE could be a lot bigger |
| 09:17:05 | Llorean | It could definitely be dependent upon screen size, at least |
| 09:17:08 | LinusN | it is |
| 09:17:10 | thewho | Llorean: I see now. I only thought that it should be "Now playing" whenever I can hear something. But the current behaviour is ok. |
| 09:17:40 | Llorean | Maybe some way to highlight the FM Radio while the radio is active? |
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| 09:18:57 | thewho | Llorean: my concern is the following. If I'm listening to the radio and call up the main menu, I'd like to be able to return to whatever I'm listening to (FM/mp3) without knowing what exactly it is. |
| 09:18:59 | Llorean | LinusN: I've been thinking about the topic of banishing the Root Menu with a second press of the menu button, and realized that to mimic past behaviour regarding the menu button would basically be impossible, unless the root menu and the settings menu were treated as one. |
| 09:19:17 | amiconn | Llorean: FM is already indicated in the status bar |
| 09:19:20 | Llorean | thewho: The concept of banishing the menus with a second press of "Menu" would cover that. |
| 09:19:36 | LinusN | Llorean: the whole point of the main menu was to change the interface |
| 09:19:53 | decayedcell__ | clicking on the gcc url here: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/tools/rockboxdev.sh?r1=12612&r2=12613 redirects me to the rockbox no spam page? Oo |
| 09:20:08 | Llorean | LinusN: It's just a significant frustration to call up the menu to edit settings and have to navigate a significant distance to get back to the filetree. |
| 09:20:26 | Llorean | LinusN: The ability to banish the settings with a second press of Menu is the most significant thing I miss about the 'old' system. |
| 09:20:31 | LinusN | Llorean: i can imagine that the Menu button could do that |
| 09:21:11 | Llorean | I'm just not sure how it'd work properly |
| 09:21:25 | Llorean | Right now if you go into the settings, 'Menu' brings you to the main menu, which makes sense with the current method. |
| 09:21:25 | LinusN | are there any players with an lcd higher than 64 pixels that don't have plenty of RAM? |
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| 09:22:37 | Llorean | Aren't the only low-RAM targets right now the various Archoses and the iFP? |
| 09:23:20 | thewho | Llorean: yes, that would probably work. It doesn't matter (for me) how it's achieved as long as I don't have to press many keys to do that. |
| 09:23:39 | Llorean | thewho: Right now, just tap the menu key to get to the root menu, then tap the play/resume key. |
| 09:24:27 | thewho | Llorean: ...and that will stop the FM radio. Which I don't want |
| 09:24:40 | Llorean | Why does that stop the FM Radio? |
| 09:25:27 | thewho | Llorean: ah, you mean the PLAY button and not the "Resume playback" entry. Ok then. My fault. |
| 09:25:47 | Llorean | Does that work? |
| 09:26:20 | thewho | Llorean: It should but I can't verify right now |
| 09:26:45 | thewho | Llorean: I mean: it would be nice if it'd work that way |
| 09:26:54 | Llorean | Well, it _should_ work with those two button presses. |
| 09:27:23 | thewho | Llorean: ... or even better: with just the second |
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| 09:30:27 | LinusN | Play should work in the settings menu |
| 09:30:43 | Llorean | Oh, that's right. |
| 09:30:54 | Llorean | It should work basically anywhere that's not a plugin now, right? |
| 09:31:03 | LinusN | think so |
| 09:37:20 | midkay | i think it should and is supposed to.. but i found a place or two it didn't work where it should have the other day. |
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| 09:52:54 | roolku | B4gder: hi, I wonder if you have followed the discussion about the RTC (and other) Mods... |
| 09:53:55 | roolku | B4gder: I have added 2 options (rtc & 8mb) to the configure script and was wondering if you could create the coressponding daily builds |
| 09:55:01 | roolku | B4gder: (the current memory selection can then be removed, it is marked with "remove start/end" in the configure script) |
| 09:55:08 | roolku | cheers |
| 09:56:41 | LinusN | roolku: bagder is on a skiing trip, he seems to have forgotten to log out |
| 09:59:32 | roolku | LinusN: whoops, I just noticed the build table had changed, so I assumed he had done it this morning |
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| 10:00:52 | LinusN | i did |
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| 10:04:14 | roolku | LinusN: you couldn't do the MOD change as well, could you? So that this is done and dusted |
| 10:04:33 | LinusN | the what? |
| 10:06:58 | roolku | the builds for the two mods |
| 10:07:48 | roolku | i.e. change 8Mb Rec build to use (a)dvanced menu and add RTC build |
| 10:08:00 | roolku | the configure script already contains the changes |
| 10:08:33 | LinusN | will have a look |
| 10:09:00 | roolku | thank you |
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| 10:10:39 | LinusN | the automatic build is a mesh of different scripts scattered all over :-) |
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| 10:11:56 | * | linuxstb_ wonders where the cuesheet browser has disappeared to - browse_cuesheet() now isn't being called from anywhere |
| 10:13:36 | * | linuxstb_ slaps forehead and asks to be ignored |
| 10:14:28 | roolku | LinusN: sounds like an interesting challenge :) |
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| 10:18:14 | preglow | 3~eff |
| 10:18:26 | * | preglow wonders how that happened |
| 10:18:54 | * | amiconn wonders about LinusN's odd commit |
| 10:19:08 | jhMikeS | preglow: should be getting too much power soon |
| 10:19:13 | LinusN | amiconn: explain |
| 10:19:22 | bluebrother | jhMikeS: just tried the line input mode ... is it inteded it wraps between ASCII and extended characters? |
| 10:19:31 | LinusN | amiconn: i might have totally misunderstood the glyph cache system |
| 10:19:49 | LinusN | what made it odd? |
| 10:20:13 | amiconn | You do an #if MEM >2 within a block that's already #if LCD_HEIGHT > 64 |
| 10:20:14 | jhMikeS | bluebrother: It's been that way awhile anyway. Can't say I care for it myself and intent to address it. |
| 10:20:26 | amiconn | The inner #else will never be true |
| 10:20:44 | amiconn | And I would really really make the cache size depend on lcd resolution |
| 10:21:13 | LinusN | amiconn: i would have the cache size depend on amount of memory available |
| 10:21:22 | markun | amiconn: would it be acceptable if a glyph cache miss would render the dotted square and then lookup the glyph in the background? |
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| 10:21:24 | LinusN | never be true? |
| 10:21:25 | bluebrother | it feels strange that I need to wrap at the top / bottom to switch bewteen extended and non-extended characters |
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| 10:21:26 | jhMikeS | bluebrother: I looked and don't know atm if it's even intended to work that way unless multiple pages are used |
| 10:21:56 | jhMikeS | bluebrother: yes, indeed otherwise there would be no real difference :\ |
| 10:22:06 | amiconn | LinusN: Yes, all targets with LCD_HEIGHT > 64 also have MEM > 2 |
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| 10:22:44 | LinusN | amiconn: i know that, but I wanted the code to depend on the amount of RAM, since that is a key factor |
| 10:22:45 | bluebrother | and how about using an inverted bar as indicator for the keyboard and only non-invert the currently selected char? |
| 10:22:53 | bluebrother | in the character table that is. |
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| 10:24:01 | jhMikeS | sounds interesting and might be more visible but I didn't intend to redo the whole basic display right off |
| 10:24:24 | bluebrother | was just an idea that popped into my head ;-) |
| 10:24:49 | markun | JdGordon: some minor problems with the Main Menu: |
| 10:24:49 | jhMikeS | I just hated holding two buttons to move a cursor around |
| 10:25:21 | bluebrother | I still want to do simpler things like the runtime page −− but I'm stuck by it not updating, and I haven't found enough time to look sharp enough at it |
| 10:25:35 | bluebrother | but the line moving in the input is really a nice addition |
| 10:25:36 | amiconn | LinusN: Still, the #define within the inner #else will never be used. And the font size is what causes excessive spinups, so the cache needs to be bigger when the lcd is bigger |
| 10:25:37 | markun | after starting playback from the filetree you go to the WPS, if you now go from the WPS to the menu it will point to the Files entry. |
| 10:25:38 | bluebrother | I like it. |
| 10:26:48 | amiconn | And the 4000 might be a little too small even for the archos lcd |
| 10:26:49 | pondlife | markun: That's correct, isn't it? |
| 10:26:58 | jhMikeS | was always there for other targets with that enabled |
| 10:27:03 | bluebrother | JdGordon: didn't you ask for something to implement yesterday other than optimizations? |
| 10:27:05 | pondlife | markun: What should be selected? Now playing? |
| 10:27:07 | markun | JdGordon: another thing, when I enter the plugin browser it point to some item (not the first one). It doesn't matter what I do, it always goes to the same point. |
| 10:27:11 | amiconn | markun: Did you say your wip code makes more efficient use of the cache? |
| 10:27:34 | markun | amiconn: it should |
| 10:27:59 | bluebrother | I liked the show-values-in-lists A_M did some while ago pretty much |
| 10:28:24 | markun | pondlife: Yes, I think it should show Now Playing |
| 10:28:59 | pondlife | I think I agree with you. |
| 10:29:05 | bluebrother | maybe that would be a challenge for you? ;-) |
| 10:29:33 | pondlife | markun: From WPS, default to Now Playing. From file browser, default to Files. Right? |
| 10:29:34 | markun | amiconn: but I'm working on too many things at the same time, should just focus on one or too I think |
| 10:29:43 | * | pondlife knows that feeling |
| 10:30:43 | jhMikeS | LinusN: I really need an opinion on this. Any trouble forseen by moving DMA to level 6, HIGHEST_IRQ_LEVEL to level 5 and using a higher level to disable DMA interrupts on Coldfire? I'd like to be able to avoid the DMA interrupts occasionally but disabling them routinely causes DMA errors. |
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| 10:31:08 | bluebrother | oh, and another thing: when radio is playing, shouldn't stop from the menu also quit the radio? Seems logical to me |
| 10:31:51 | pondlife | bluebrother: I don't think a decision has been reached on whether radio can be considered equivalent to playback. |
| 10:32:13 | jhMikeS | There's no way to turn the radio off directly other than the radio screen is there? |
| 10:32:17 | pondlife | This affects the STOP and PLAY buttons, and the "Now playing" option - at least... |
| 10:32:59 | bluebrother | jhMikeS: afaik yes. |
| 10:33:35 | pondlife | I understand the argument that radio != playback. But don't know that there's any disadvantage to making the relevant options work against radio as if it were playback (if that makes sense). |
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| 10:34:32 | jhMikeS | makes sense to me |
| 10:34:52 | Llorean | The "Now Playing" thing shouldn't say "Now Playing" during the radio, nor should it ever take you there |
| 10:35:00 | Llorean | The FM Radio option on the main menu already serves that purpose well. |
| 10:35:05 | * | amiconn agrees with Llorean |
| 10:35:10 | bluebrother | I don't think "now playing" should affect the radio |
| 10:35:22 | Llorean | But for the Play and Stop buttons, I see no reason they shouldn't return you to the radio screen, or stop radio audio, if that was the last audio in use. |
| 10:35:27 | bluebrother | but the stop button could be considered stopping playback, and that includes radio |
| 10:35:34 | jhMikeS | only for stopping it but I agree about the now playing item |
| 10:36:15 | bluebrother | I'm not sure if I would like "play" reenabling the radio. It has been tied to the wps for years. |
| 10:36:32 | pondlife | PLAY should resume, not go to the radio. |
| 10:36:36 | pondlife | IMHO |
| 10:36:37 | jhMikeS | me neither |
| 10:36:55 | pondlife | Also, PLAY and the Now Playing option should do the same thing. |
| 10:37:01 | jhMikeS | just the stop button should silence things, that's it |
| 10:37:15 | pondlife | Yes |
| 10:37:31 | Llorean | I'll accept that. |
| 10:38:07 | jhMikeS | Kind of strange to have the Now Playing take you to radio when there's a Radio item there already :P |
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| 10:40:06 | * | bluebrother agrees |
| 10:41:48 | cweiske | Hello. I am about to buy a rockbox-compatible music player and wanted to know which one / which company would be the best to choose regarding their "ethical goodness" to open source and rockbox - e.g. which company was helping rockbox devs and such |
| 10:42:18 | Llorean | Has any company actually helped Rockbox yet? |
| 10:44:07 | * | jhMikeS has to stare down the odd keyboard cursor movement that's been around for so long |
| 10:44:51 | linuxstb_ | cweiske: I think the closest is Sandisk, who donated a couple of Sansa players to the project. But they didn't provide any assistance beyond that. But note that Rockbox doesn't yet have audio playback on the Sansa. |
| 10:45:15 | cweiske | did any company provide specs? |
| 10:45:29 | jhMikeS | was just gonna ask if the SanDisk thing was considered help |
| 10:45:37 | markun | cweiske: we are working on this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide |
| 10:45:48 | linuxstb_ | cweiske: No. |
| 10:47:04 | cweiske | so there is not really a good ethical buy to do |
| 10:47:40 | preglow | staying awake today is truly going to be a challenge, i see |
| 10:48:08 | jhMikeS | ethical? |
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| 10:49:15 | cweiske | ethical = not supporting companies that behave bad to oss developers/projects or try to stop/sue them |
| 10:49:51 | cweiske | = buying from companies that just behave good to people |
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| 10:50:31 | pondlife | amiconn: I did my H340 battery bench (with backlight off). Is there somewhere specific I should put the results to aid in runtime calibration? |
| 10:50:51 | linuxstb_ | No company seems any better or worse than any other. No-one has given any real assistance to a Rockbox port, and they all say installing it voids your warranty. |
| 10:51:14 | jhMikeS | well, if they just don't interfere I'd say that's ethical...I can't figure out what makes looking at software no naughtly and any worse than taking apart your car's transmission and building it to your specs. |
| 10:51:27 | linuxstb_ | (although there is some doubt over Apple's stance - they seem to more relaxed in that respect). |
| 10:52:10 | cweiske | thanks, that's a statement |
| 10:52:16 | pondlife | Archos were fairly friendly, weren't they? In the old days I mean... |
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| 10:54:50 | markun | cweiske: maybe Neuros is more your thing |
| 10:55:22 | markun | in what way is the X5 display dithered? |
| 10:55:38 | jhMikeS | markun: two ways |
| 10:56:05 | thewho | pondlife: I'd also expect that PLAY and "Now playing" do the same. But when FM is playing you don't have "Now playing" but rather "Resume playback". Hence PLAY could take you back to the FM screen. |
| 10:56:06 | jhMikeS | the 18bit video is dithered to 16 bits by hardware. |
| 10:56:56 | jhMikeS | higher depth backgrounds are dithered to 16 bits (565) by the image loader |
| 10:57:18 | amiconn | The latter is done on all colour targets |
| 10:57:30 | markun | jhMikeS: we could do 18-bit graphics for the Gigabeat, but I don't think we would gain anything from that. |
| 10:57:32 | pondlife | thewho: I disagree - in this case PLAY should resume playback |
| 10:57:40 | DataGhost | http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/07mar/xuf010105.gif hehehe |
| 10:58:03 | pondlife | So, anyone know of a place to collect battery_bench.txts? |
| 10:58:16 | jhMikeS | markun: I made an 18 bit throughout version of rockbox on the x5 but it actually looked worse in many respects. |
| 10:59:00 | jhMikeS | Not to mention additional bitmap size and weird pixel format. Once advantage on that might be having DMA writes to the display though. |
| 10:59:17 | markun | jhMikeS: I'll not bother with it then. It would also double the size of the framebuffer. |
| 10:59:34 | markun | jhMikeS: we already have DMA writes with 16 bit mode |
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| 11:00:04 | thewho | pondlife: If FM is active, will the main menu cursor always be at "FM" when the main menu is brought up? |
| 11:00:13 | pondlife | Should be |
| 11:00:17 | jhMikeS | x5 has a little problem in that it expects 18 bit pixels, even in 16 bit mode so the driver does some conversion on the fly |
| 11:00:17 | pondlife | I've not tried it though |
| 11:00:27 | pondlife | Depends on what you last selected. |
| 11:00:34 | thewho | Even if I went to settings (e.g.) in the meantime? |
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| 11:00:38 | pondlife | No |
| 11:00:40 | jhMikeS | won't help solid colors and the software dithering will look as good or better |
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| 11:00:57 | pondlife | thewho: It should go to whatever you last selected I think. |
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| 11:02:41 | JdGordon | markun: yeah, the root menu doesnt follow the screen if the acctual menu is bypassed... you rekon the overhead is worth it? |
| 11:02:52 | markun | JdGordon: not sure |
| 11:02:58 | pondlife | lol, I like the way most voices pronounce Plugins as Ploojins... |
| 11:03:55 | JdGordon | markun: well.. the overhead isnt actually all that much.. and the code is there already... so it can be done |
| 11:03:59 | pondlife | JdGordon: Any plans to look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6716 ? |
| 11:04:11 | JdGordon | yes.. |
| 11:04:26 | JdGordon | this week if all goes according to plan :p |
| 11:04:36 | pondlife | OK, I won't bother then ;p. (Probably wouldn't have time in the next week anyway.) |
| 11:05:48 | JdGordon | does anyone have any idea how a save as /open file screen should work? |
| 11:06:38 | bluebrother | why an open screen? Why not use the standard file browser? |
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| 11:07:31 | JdGordon | well, if the file browser is goign to be redone to work better with the root menu, i want to make it extendable so it can be used as those screens |
| 11:07:38 | JdGordon | but not really sure the best way to do it :p |
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| 11:08:30 | bluebrother | how should the browser "work better" with the menu? |
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| 11:08:47 | bluebrother | do you mean code-wise? |
| 11:09:04 | amiconn | pondlife: The vb script has a pronunciation correction stage depending on the voice used |
| 11:09:42 | JdGordon | bluebrother: yeah |
| 11:09:45 | pondlife | amiconn: I quite like my ploojins, no worriws |
| 11:09:49 | pondlife | worries |
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| 11:14:25 | MonkeyTamer | has anyone used audiochecker here before? |
| 11:14:36 | tucoz | bluebrother, do you have time to add a platform file for the m5? I do not have internet at home at the moment. |
| 11:15:08 | tucoz | Or maybe i can steal access from an open wifi in the neighbourhood |
| 11:15:45 | tucoz | if you do not have time, i can see what i can do later today |
| 11:17:54 | jhMikeS | preglow: so will having a Gigabeat be too much for me to handle? (recalling your earlier statement) I did need to break down and get an ARM based player afterall. |
| 11:18:33 | MonkeyTamer | the silly program claimed a mp3 transcoded file into flac was 100% cdda... yet others that I believed to have been lossless were claimed 95% mpeg... |
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| 11:20:37 | preglow | jhMikeS: heh |
| 11:20:49 | preglow | jhMikeS: as long as you don't stop optimising :) |
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| 11:22:05 | jhMikeS | preglow: never |
| 11:22:13 | bluebrother | tucoz: wanted to add the m5 tonight |
| 11:22:27 | amiconn | tucoz: I'll scan the M5 today, and pixelma will provide an M5 svg, perhaps tonight. There are not many changes vs. X5. Just some colours and sizes |
| 11:23:08 | bluebrother | I'll see what I can do tonight, but I guess I'll manage to do the necessary stuff for building |
| 11:24:39 | jhMikeS | preglow: I need an in place version of FRACMUL_8_LOOP for ARM. I switched the gain stage to in place. Not cvs ready yet. I'm not sure if I'll have stereo/mono gain and resampling functions either. Joining them saves a bit of space but makes the function more complicated. |
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| 11:25:32 | bluebrother | the M5 is 2bpp LCD? |
| 11:25:58 | preglow | jhMikeS: i'll see if i have time tonight |
| 11:26:04 | * | jhMikeS only ever talked to one person here with an M anything...an M3 |
| 11:26:43 | preglow | joining resampling and gaining? |
| 11:26:45 | jhMikeS | preglow: probably a couple tiny changes to the existing one? |
| 11:27:09 | preglow | jhMikeS: ah, i misread it |
| 11:27:09 | jhMikeS | preglow: no, having a separate function for stereo and mono for each of those functions |
| 11:27:17 | preglow | jhMikeS: i have time to look at that now, yes |
| 11:27:22 | amiconn | bluebrother: yes |
| 11:27:28 | amiconn | 160x128x2 |
| 11:28:25 | preglow | jhMikeS: only modification will be it reading and writing from one array? |
| 11:28:47 | jhMikeS | you said ARM has conditional execution so it can have one function for sure. doing both channels for resampling in one pass is quite beneficial so that must stay but requires two functions or two branches in one function. |
| 11:28:51 | jhMikeS | preglow: yes |
| 11:28:57 | preglow | that should be minor indeed |
| 11:29:15 | preglow | all the array logic is in c, heh |
| 11:29:21 | preglow | only the mul itself is in arm asm, |
| 11:31:04 | jhMikeS | I figured as much but can't make sure it runs right myself. I guess it should read then postincrement the source but write to the original source address then increment that |
| 11:31:34 | preglow | read, calc, write, increment |
| 11:31:44 | preglow | unless you're going for something fancy, i don |
| 11:31:51 | preglow | 't see how it can be any different |
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| 11:33:23 | jhMikeS | well for coldfire the read ends up one ahead of the write since the reads are parallel with macs so two pointer are used into the same byte |
| 11:33:27 | jhMikeS | or long, whatever |
| 11:33:29 | preglow | well, yeah, but that's asm |
| 11:33:49 | preglow | but i guess you want the c to be the same? |
| 11:34:04 | jhMikeS | I think it won't change for the FRACMUL_8_LOOP_IP macro on cf either |
| 11:34:41 | jhMikeS | Wasn |
| 11:34:55 | jhMikeS | 't looking to change the behavior, no need |
| 11:35:52 | jhMikeS | I'm realizing the current one might just work as is :) |
| 11:35:56 | preglow | but then you really don't need to change much, do you? FRACMUL_8_LOOP can work in place right if feed it two pointers |
| 11:36:01 | preglow | right now |
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| 11:36:23 | preglow | yeah |
| 11:36:47 | preglow | eh |
| 11:37:38 | preglow | my brain just does not work today |
| 11:38:18 | jhMikeS | me neither when so sleepy |
| 11:40:20 | jhMikeS | overpartying this weekend? :) |
| 11:40:35 | preglow | haha |
| 11:40:37 | preglow | not really, no |
| 11:41:13 | preglow | there was saturday, but i did nothing but rest yesterday |
| 11:41:20 | preglow | should be good as gold today, but no |
| 11:41:29 | preglow | tired as hell anyway |
| 11:41:47 | preglow | good time to be programming |
| 11:42:17 | markun | amiconn: what do you think about organizing the font folder in subfolders for at least some fonts? |
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| 11:45:13 | JdGordon | rocks folder needs organising first |
| 11:45:33 | markun | why first? |
| 11:45:48 | JdGordon | its got more files that ned organising |
| 11:46:19 | markun | I think those tasks can be done in parallel |
| 11:46:59 | JdGordon | :( playback is fubared in my sim, and my h300 is busy.. i cant test this damn patch |
| 11:47:09 | JdGordon | to keep the root menu prperly selected |
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| 11:47:52 | bluebrother | speaking of plugins folder ... what do you think about the subfolder approach? |
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| 11:48:03 | tucoz | good |
| 11:48:31 | markun | I like it too |
| 11:48:47 | bluebrother | any objections against adding what I already got in that FS task? |
| 11:49:08 | tucoz | as in, there are categories of plugins and it would be nice to be able to browse by those categories |
| 11:49:08 | jhMikeS | preglow: anything that you changed recently in the eq the could cause the flac glitches reported by perl|work? if not I'd better double check the output functions on all aligments and sizes. |
| 11:49:54 | bluebrother | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5464 that is |
| 11:50:15 | Dwyloc | OK own up who broke h120 remote support ;) |
| 11:50:30 | JdGordon | markun: jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/changes.patch">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/changes.patch if you want to test it out (and commit if it works), im heading out for an hour or two |
| 11:50:32 | Dwyloc | Pressing stop on the remote now stops playback instead of moveing the the previous directory in the file view or previos menu in the menus. |
| 11:50:51 | markun | JdGordon: can't test it now, but I will tonight, ok? |
| 11:51:07 | JdGordon | no prob |
| 11:51:18 | preglow | jhMikeS: what's the problem? |
| 11:53:40 | safetydan | bluebrother, seems fine to me, but I haven't tested it |
| 11:53:57 | Dwyloc | I am guessing the remote problem is related to the ether the root menu or the new menu system. |
| 11:55:04 | jhMikeS | I don't know...perl|work reported problems with crossfade...ok fixed that. Then reported glitches in the middle of some flacs that were new. Was running eq with precut only. Precut is unchanged, so that leaves perhaps eq, and maybe a bug in the output |
| 11:55:47 | preglow | jhMikeS: hmm |
| 11:55:51 | safetydan | bluebrother, though... localisation doesn't really work with that way of doing things |
| 11:56:01 | preglow | i dunno, if eq works at all, i'd expect no temporary glitches, that's for sure |
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| 11:56:25 | preglow | the little work i've done in the eq is pretty much only optimising for size/speed in the coef calculation part itself |
| 11:56:33 | preglow | once the coefs are calculated, there should be no problems |
| 11:56:41 | bluebrother | safetydan: I know, but that could be done in a way like .desktop / desktop.ini |
| 11:57:17 | jhMikeS | the outputs are complicated so I suppose I'd just run something to test all the code path deliberately. Alignment and sizes could change somewhere perhaps. |
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| 11:59:22 | jhMikeS | maybe the wrap thing? people start listening more closely when thing are updated I've observed...I start hearing things that were actually always there since I'm monitoring so closely |
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| 12:01:01 | jhMikeS | The pitch screen ought to run that through all the alignments and sizes though and that doesn't glitch a bit |
| 12:01:10 | preglow | weird |
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| 12:01:31 | preglow | but without knowing what kind of glitch it is: i have no idea |
| 12:01:39 | LinusN | amiconn: i can change the glyph cache #ifdef, but i still think the calculation shouldn't be made from the lcd size alone, since the amount of ram is a factor as well. i knbow that all targets that have a large lcd also have much ram, but that is pure coincidence. |
| 12:01:40 | preglow | eq glitches should really sound pretty harsh |
| 12:02:02 | preglow | but if the filters sounds like it should, it really shouldn't glitch temporarily |
| 12:02:49 | LinusN | jhMikeS: i think your idea is good, and i don't see any major drawbacks |
| 12:02:57 | jhMikeS | I don't know either. Havent' caught it myself. Said it disappeared when rewinding back a little bit and replaying the section. :\ |
| 12:03:38 | jhMikeS | LinusN: great. I really need the syncing in some spots to have it solid. |
| 12:04:08 | LinusN | jhMikeS: all we have to do is to make sure we use the correct level when we "disable" the interrupts |
| 12:04:48 | jhMikeS | Well, I don't think anything is above 4 (the timers) so 5 should be good. |
| 12:05:25 | preglow | jhMikeS: that shifter overflow bug really bloody bothers me, though |
| 12:06:06 | pondlife | JdGordon: Heads up on another minor menu bug - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6738 |
| 12:06:49 | LinusN | pondlife: is this in the sim or on the target? |
| 12:07:19 | pondlife | Certainly on the sim, am trying target now |
| 12:07:20 | LinusN | i have seen this issue in the sim even with the main menu, but only in the simulator |
| 12:07:25 | pondlife | Ah, ok |
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| 12:07:33 | LinusN | works fine on the target |
| 12:07:47 | LinusN | can't really tell why, probably an initialization race |
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| 12:08:18 | pondlife | LinusN: You are (as always) correct! I'll edit the bug report.... |
| 12:08:30 | LinusN | :-) do so |
| 12:09:08 | LinusN | lunch time |
| 12:10:02 | Arathis | is anybody working on this: "Ability to specify a margin on a line (e.g. to allow space for images or to indent lines)." (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsRequestList) or is it implemented already? The last time I checked it wasn't possible, but that's some time ago |
| 12:10:09 | jhMikeS | preglow: so...put a panicf in there :) |
| 12:10:15 | pondlife | Dwyloc: Which remote? |
| 12:11:26 | Arathis | Ans is it planned to be able to customize the icons in the menus? |
| 12:15:53 | jhMikeS | preglow: I'm sure if it were eq related, rewinding would have no effect...wouldn't make sense to me. |
| 12:16:12 | Dwyloc | pondlife: h120 LCD remote |
| 12:16:21 | jhMikeS | unless filter history gets b0rked |
| 12:16:29 | markun | Arathis: both would be nice to have, but I don't know if anyway is working on it |
| 12:17:25 | decayedcell__ | I think one of P.I. Juilius' patches would do it |
| 12:17:46 | markun | Arathis: amiconn wants to implement graphical regions (viewports) which will make it easy to do the WPS changes |
| 12:18:01 | Arathis | markun: at least the first one would be nice for my current WPS WIP. I think I have to make it whole-width than :-/ |
| 12:19:24 | Arathis | markun: Is there a progress thread/flyspry page/wiki page or something for amiconn's viewports? |
| 12:19:36 | markun | amiconn: is there? |
| 12:19:43 | pondlife | Dwyloc: I'd think that STOP should stop playback on the remote, like it does on the main unit. LEFT should go to the previous directory though. |
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| 12:19:57 | pondlife | I only have a button-starved H300 remote |
| 12:20:45 | Dwyloc | there is no left on the h120 remote see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/KeymapIriverHSeries for more details. |
| 12:20:56 | pondlife | I am looking there |
| 12:21:04 | Dwyloc | it dose not have a joystick |
| 12:21:07 | markun | Arathis: no, there are only 2 pages with mention viewports, ReleaseTodo (obsolete I think) and SummerOfCode |
| 12:21:13 | pondlife | It seems to have a LEFT and RIGHT key on the top? |
| 12:21:27 | pondlife | Opposite HOLD |
| 12:21:28 | Dwyloc | left and right move up and down |
| 12:21:44 | pondlife | So what do UP and DOWN do? |
| 12:21:52 | pondlife | Volume? |
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| 12:22:43 | Dwyloc | the bottom ones are volume the second top ones are page up and down |
| 12:23:24 | Dwyloc | pressing in the fist top one is select |
| 12:23:41 | Dwyloc | pressing in the botom one is menu |
| 12:23:44 | preglow | jhMikeS: rewinding should definitely trigger the same bug again, were it the eq |
| 12:23:47 | pondlife | I would expect the volume keys to be up/down as well (i.e. in lists). |
| 12:24:10 | pondlife | SELECT and MENU are correct then. |
| 12:24:19 | pondlife | Nice remote isn't it. Maybe I should get one! |
| 12:25:03 | pondlife | Without actually trying it, I'd expect all keys to be mapped to their main unit equivalents. |
| 12:25:24 | Dwyloc | The bottom left and right labled vol currently dose nothing in the menus or file viewer |
| 12:25:46 | pondlife | Ah, that should be up/down by the look of it. |
| 12:27:08 | pondlife | But I'm only going by that diagram, with no account for usability. |
| 12:27:17 | pondlife | So probably best you decide if that would work for you. |
| 12:27:31 | pondlife | If not, come up with a better proposal, of course. |
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| 12:33:15 | Dwyloc | I think using the first top joystick as up and down in the menu and the second top left and right like left and right the main unit would work best. |
| 12:36:13 | Dwyloc | The bottom vol left and righ could them be ether maped to up and down in the menu or page up and down. |
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| 12:43:21 | Dwyloc | pondlife: OK I have filled a bug in report in flyspray http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6739 |
| 12:43:24 | pondlife | OK |
| 12:43:41 | pondlife | It would make most sense for vol to map to UP and DOWN |
| 12:43:59 | pondlife | Otherwise the Vol button would not change volume... |
| 12:44:48 | Dwyloc | yes on second thought that sounds correct. |
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| 12:45:34 | Dwyloc | I was just thinking about menu navigation not the wps view. |
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| 12:45:36 | pondlife | If you want to try things out (and can compile) then search for "button_context_standard_h100remote" in keymap-h1x0_h3x0.c. |
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| 12:46:03 | pondlife | I think it's best if you just regard the keys as being mapped to equivalents on the main unit. |
| 12:46:31 | pondlife | Other things may be possible, but not easily and not easy to describe in the manual etc. |
| 12:46:46 | Dwyloc | OK I will give that a try latter as I am at work at the mement and I have things to do. |
| 12:46:50 | pondlife | Me too ;) |
| 12:48:32 | Dwyloc | yes I had noticed that the manual dose not seem to detail the remote for the h120/h140 |
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| 12:53:15 | pixelma | the forum search is broken once again... |
| 12:54:16 | pixelma | maybe someone is arround who can fix it (LinusN ?) |
| 12:55:13 | LinusN | pixelma: fixed |
| 12:55:35 | pixelma | thanks! :) |
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| 13:00:52 | pondlife | Hmm, the dynamic "Now playing" / "Resume playback" option - could that not simply be worded "Playback"? Might allow some code to be removed... |
| 13:01:30 | pondlife | Also might make it clear that the radio is not to be found in here! |
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| 13:01:59 | LinusN | i like it the way it is, but maybe it is confusing when the name changes |
| 13:02:09 | pondlife | It seems non-KISS if nothing else. |
| 13:02:34 | LinusN | the user couldn't care less if the code is KISS or not :-) |
| 13:02:46 | pondlife | I mean from a UI point of view (too) |
| 13:03:13 | pondlife | People may hunt for the Now playing option when there isn't one...;) |
| 13:03:29 | LinusN | perhaps... |
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| 13:05:03 | pixelma | ok... the M5 thread I remembered reading is in the Archived threads section :) |
| 13:05:18 | markun | pixelma: does rockbox already work on your M5 now? |
| 13:06:15 | pixelma | markun: you didn't miss the "Ladies and Gentlemen"-mail by amiconn, didn't you? ;) |
| 13:06:45 | markun | I did :) |
| 13:07:06 | markun | nice |
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| 13:09:45 | markun | pixelma: anything rockbox related you are working on these days? |
| 13:11:49 | pixelma | I need to make an M5.svg now and have a few small but half-ready changes to the manual :/ |
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| 13:19:36 | LinusN | jhMikeS: there? |
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| 13:51:18 | JdGordon | anyone know how to get the modification date of a file? |
| 13:51:53 | LinusN | in rockbox? |
| 13:52:14 | JdGordon | ye |
| 13:53:47 | LinusN | readdir() fills it in for you in the dirent structure |
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| 13:54:32 | JdGordon | there is no way to get it for 1 file? |
| 13:54:58 | LinusN | no |
| 13:55:12 | JdGordon | nuts :p |
| 13:56:39 | JdGordon | I was going to fix updated firmware file detection... Should I check in the .rockbox folder and / for an updated file? or just /? |
| 13:57:21 | LinusN | you could check both for now |
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| 14:00:38 | JdGordon | actually.. how slow would a checksum sort of thing work? instead of doing ft_load() on both /.rockbox and / ? |
| 14:02:38 | LinusN | JdGordon: i wouldn't put too much effort in that detection, it |
| 14:02:45 | LinusN | s mainly a developer feature |
| 14:03:27 | JdGordon | the checksum the bootloader reads, does that change every compile? |
| 14:03:45 | JdGordon | I know... but if its there, may as well make it work |
| 14:03:53 | JdGordon | currently it doesnt work at all in the root menu |
| 14:06:17 | LinusN | i don't care much about that feature, i'd rather remove it, but that |
| 14:06:20 | LinusN | 's me |
| 14:06:54 | JdGordon | I like it :p |
| 14:08:44 | amiconn | It always only worked when browsing the root dir, and even then not always reliable |
| 14:09:12 | amiconn | E.g. it doesn't work at all when using early usb to change the boot file |
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| 14:19:39 | JdGordon | bah, so much for that :p |
| 14:19:50 | JdGordon | should i just remove the code now it doesnt work? |
| 14:20:00 | LinusN | i think so |
| 14:21:54 | pondlife | LinusN: You managed to repro the Recording sluggishness/crash using the english_Cepstral.voice? |
| 14:21:55 | markun | LinusN: how can I callibrate the charging curve for the Gigabeat? |
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| 14:24:00 | thewho | What is the difference between iAudio X5 and X5L? |
| 14:24:22 | pondlife | JdGordon: I quite like the new firmware detection... |
| 14:24:37 | JdGordon | too late... its gone. :p |
| 14:24:42 | JdGordon | it doesnt work anymore |
| 14:24:47 | pondlife | Is is not something that could happen only after USB disconnection? |
| 14:24:55 | pondlife | Or is that how it was meant to work? |
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| 14:25:34 | JdGordon | if it was easy to get the filestamp of a single file then it would be easy, but you have to load the entire dir which is wasteful |
| 14:25:46 | pondlife | Why use filestamp? |
| 14:25:54 | JdGordon | how else? |
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| 14:25:58 | pondlife | There must be something in the file, no? |
| 14:26:11 | pondlife | Version string perhaps? |
| 14:26:15 | JdGordon | there is a checksum which I just tried, but aparently it doesnt work so well |
| 14:27:04 | pondlife | Need to compare something from the file against something in memory (i.e. the current running code)... |
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| 14:27:20 | thewho | No iAudio experts? |
| 14:27:21 | amiconn | thewho: The X5L has a much bigger battery and hence longer battery runtime |
| 14:27:25 | pondlife | Version string would be the obvious one. |
| 14:27:50 | thewho | amiconn: thanks. But the size is the same? |
| 14:28:05 | pondlife | Anyways, lunchtime |
| 14:28:24 | JdGordon | pondlife: version strings dont change in custom builds during testing.... |
| 14:28:43 | pondlife | Yes, but real users don't do much of that |
| 14:29:10 | pondlife | I'm more in favour of it helping users to upgrade. |
| 14:29:18 | pondlife | If that makes sense. |
| 14:29:53 | JdGordon | I dont know if we can actually read the version string from the file |
| 14:30:01 | pondlife | Hopefully if you can operate a compiler you can remember to rolo. (Not that I've always remembered..;) ) |
| 14:30:05 | JdGordon | Its not in the actual header i dont think |
| 14:30:13 | pondlife | Me neither, but I thought it might be findable. |
| 14:30:56 | JdGordon | easier to dump the feature and save a few bytes |
| 14:30:59 | pondlife | Not a biggie, but I'd prefer to leave it in there rather than kill that functionality completely. Even if it's not fixed up immediately. |
| 14:31:36 | pondlife | It's a useful feature IMHO... I know this entirely subjective though. Back to the "I don't use crossfade" argument... |
| 14:31:52 | pondlife | Just think it might reduce support. |
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| 14:31:58 | JdGordon | hmm... I actually agree... but its pointelss because it doesnt work at all currently |
| 14:32:03 | pixelma | thewho: there are two iaudio cases that differ in thickness: the thicker one is used for the X5 with a 60GB drive (dual platter) with a small battery - or the X5L with the bigger battery but only with a single platter drive, 20GB and 30GB are available). The smaller one is for X5s with a single platter drive and a small battery. |
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| 14:32:24 | pondlife | JdGordon: Well, leave the code in there and make sure it's logged on Flyspray |
| 14:32:42 | JdGordon | or remove it and add it as a request on fs |
| 14:32:45 | pondlife | I may get to look at it soon-ish. Maybe tonight. |
| 14:33:02 | pondlife | Nah, the code will be easier to fix up than redo from scratch I suspect. |
| 14:33:17 | JdGordon | nope... the only useful part is the splash screen |
| 14:33:20 | pondlife | Unless it's preventing you fixing somegthing else. |
| 14:33:20 | JdGordon | but ok |
| 14:33:35 | * | pondlife has typing problems |
| 14:34:13 | pondlife | Anyway, hungry now.... back in a bit |
| 14:36:37 | JdGordon | markun: I commited that patch from before... is there a FS that needs closing for it? |
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| 14:38:36 | markun | no |
| 14:39:01 | LinusN | pondlife: yes, i can reproduce it |
| 14:41:00 | JdGordon | does anyone know if there is an alram plugin for amorak? |
| 14:41:21 | LinusN | i don't even know what alram and amorak is... |
| 14:41:43 | * | pixelma guesses it should be alarm for amarok.. ;) |
| 14:41:43 | LinusN | i have heard of amarok, though |
| 14:41:46 | * | JdGordon is half drunk and cant type :p |
| 14:41:58 | LinusN | lol |
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| 14:47:11 | JdGordon | all set with some cron magic :p bed time, cya |
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| 15:22:57 | Arathis | Is there a key to de-/activate hold in the UiSimulator |
| 15:22:59 | Arathis | ? |
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| 15:30:18 | LinusN | Arathis: not that i know of |
| 15:30:27 | Arathis | :( |
| 15:30:37 | LinusN | feel free to add one |
| 15:31:45 | Arathis | if I'd now in which file(s) and how .. |
| 15:32:02 | LinusN | Arathis: hang on |
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| 15:43:03 | LinusN | Arathis: is this for testing a WPS? |
| 15:43:33 | Arathis | what do you mean? |
| 15:43:40 | Arathis | oh,yes |
| 15:43:48 | Arathis | didn't read correctly |
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| 15:46:10 | markun | B4gder: what's going on in Neuros land these days? You have a OSD, right? |
| 15:49:03 | LinusN | Arathis: i have now added support for it in SVN |
| 15:49:14 | LinusN | Arathis: do you have Wiki access? |
| 15:49:20 | Arathis | I have |
| 15:49:25 | Arathis | thanks btw |
| 15:50:07 | LinusN | then do me a favor and update the UiSimulator wiki page with this new functionality |
| 15:50:27 | LinusN | h = toggle hold, j = toggle remote hold |
| 15:50:36 | Arathis | I'd have to edit more than that. There is no H10 table so far |
| 15:51:10 | Arathis | but I'll do so later if you don't mind. |
| 15:51:40 | LinusN | please |
| 15:51:44 | LinusN | thanks |
| 15:52:49 | markun | LinusN: could we give back some of our changes to the codecs to the original projects? (like coldfire optimisations) |
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| 15:53:30 | LinusN | of course |
| 15:53:39 | markun | I don't know how it would work with different licenses for example |
| 15:53:56 | LinusN | that's up to the author of the optimizations |
| 15:57:11 | LinusN | gtg, cu folx |
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| 16:24:47 | Arathis | Is it possible to get an image above text in a WPS? |
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| 16:30:35 | Arathis | no way to do that? :( |
| 16:31:29 | markun | I have no idea |
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| 16:36:37 | perl|work | Arathis |
| 16:36:43 | perl|work | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking |
| 16:36:49 | perl|work | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 16:39:11 | Arathis | perl|work: so this means no. I knew that pages, but at least I hadn't found anything solving my problem there |
| 16:39:53 | perl|work | could you elaborate a bit on your question? |
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| 16:40:50 | GodEater_ | I assume by "above" he means in the Z-Ordering |
| 16:41:18 | GodEater_ | he said, havnig read a bit of the conversation in the IRC logs |
| 16:41:53 | GodEater_ | rather than above meaning the line above |
| 16:42:45 | GodEater_ | I don't see why it's unachievable though |
| 16:42:54 | GodEater_ | you can put images wherever you like |
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| 16:44:00 | Arathis | yes, I mean z-ordering |
| 16:44:22 | GodEater_ | so why do you think you can't do it ? |
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| 16:45:17 | Arathis | though I can't define a margin for a text line I tried covering the text with an image, but the text stays above the image |
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| 16:46:41 | GodEater_ | ah, so image rendering is always behind the text rendering in terms of z-order |
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| 16:46:51 | GodEater_ | doubt you can do much about that unless you hack the code yourself |
| 16:46:53 | Arathis | seems so |
| 16:47:25 | GodEater_ | odd - I'd have thought the text and image layers would be the same |
| 16:47:52 | GodEater_ | although, thinking about it, perhaps that isn't as obvious as it would seem at first glance |
| 16:48:15 | GodEater_ | and thinking about it some more - that'd actually be quite tricky I think |
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| 16:54:53 | GodEater_ | amiconn around ? |
| 16:56:22 | thewho | How can I terminate the sim under windows (H120)? I tried to hold the return key (=STOP) pressed but nothing happened. I always have to close the sim window by clicking at the X in the top right corner. |
| 16:56:44 | GodEater_ | is there something wrong with doing it that way ? |
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| 17:05:19 | thewho | GodEater: I'd expect that the "shut down" function also works on the sim. And, besides, I'd wouldn't have to use the mouse :-) (Alt+F4 doesn't work for the sim window) |
| 17:06:48 | PaulJam | jhMikeS: jour commit that enables the line edit mode for irivers seems to have broken my cusom keyboard layout. now i can only access the first and the last 3 lines |
| 17:07:26 | PaulJam | would it be possible to disable this feature when usin .kbd files? |
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| 17:09:48 | amiconn | Line edit on larger lcds is buggy |
| 17:10:01 | amiconn | ...even without using .kbd files |
| 17:10:30 | PaulJam | is it possible to reset the keyboard to default? |
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| 17:16:09 | markun | PaulJam: good questions, I don't think it is. |
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| 17:17:00 | Arathis | amiconn: You know anything about z coordinate of images in WPS? atm text is allways above iamges. at least while scrolling |
| 17:17:57 | Arathis | btw "U" for toggling usb mode in uisim is for all targets? |
| 17:18:21 | * | Arathis is editing the wiki page to add usb and hold keys |
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| 17:18:49 | looperman | Hello, hello |
| 17:19:07 | looperman | is rockbox able to play avi files? |
| 17:19:23 | bluebrother | no |
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| 17:20:08 | looperman | what type of video files work with rockbox, is it only mpeg? |
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| 17:20:24 | markun | looperman: yes |
| 17:20:41 | markun | and you will have to resize them to the right resolution and framerate |
| 17:20:48 | looperman | well that sucks, I guess I need to convert the files then. |
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| 17:21:24 | bluebrother | tststs ... |
| 17:21:59 | markun | why doesn't he stay long enough for me to finish what I was going to say.. |
| 17:22:12 | bluebrother | because "it sucks"? |
| 17:22:28 | * | bluebrother shakes head |
| 17:22:57 | markun | if you have a ipod video it sucks maybe, but for us Gigabeat owners it really rocks :) |
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| 17:24:23 | Arathis | iRiver roo :) |
| 17:24:33 | bluebrother | roo? |
| 17:24:59 | amiconn | Arathis: No idea, my wps'es are bitmap free |
| 17:25:10 | markun | Arathis: but the H3xx guys already had video playback |
| 17:25:13 | Arathis | s/roo/too |
| 17:25:19 | bluebrother | ah :) |
| 17:25:29 | Arathis | markun: but not the H10s |
| 17:26:06 | Arathis | amiconn: hmm...haven't found anything. Need to rethink my new wps than :/ |
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| 19:25:27 | Zandaa | hi there |
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| 19:30:16 | dan_a | Hi Zandaa |
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| 19:31:02 | Zandaa | dan_a: I know I shouldn't really be asking here, but I tried to install Rockxob on my iPod 4G with an installer, but it boots into apple firmware :\ any suggestions? |
| 19:32:35 | dan_a | I guess "try again" isn't what you're looking for?! Do you see anything that isn't normally there between the Apple logo and the Apple firmware? |
| 19:33:16 | Zandaa | dan_a: nothing irregular, no |
| 19:33:45 | dan_a | Then it sounds like nothing has been installed |
| 19:34:24 | Zandaa | hm... :\ I'll look around for a quick-start guide on a manual install then |
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| 19:34:47 | dan_a | Zandaa: Do you have a color or a greyscale 4G? |
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| 19:34:56 | Zandaa | dan_a: greyscale, good old greys |
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| 19:35:37 | dan_a | Then IpodInstallation from the Rockbox wiki is what you need, and ignore the bit about it being outdated. |
| 19:35:46 | GodEater | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 19:35:53 | GodEater | ta da! |
| 19:35:53 | Zandaa | thanks a lot you guys :) |
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| 19:40:40 | Zandaa | dan_a: just grab the daily build then? |
| 19:41:02 | GodEater | Zandaa: get the current build |
| 19:41:05 | GodEater | not the daily one |
| 19:41:20 | bonbonthejon | Zandaa: do you run linux? |
| 19:41:38 | Zandaa | bonbonthejon: not at the moment, no.. :S |
| 19:41:41 | axion1 | just got the new daily build. New menu's are nice. Had to restart player to reflect battery capacity time remaining change |
| 19:41:45 | axion1 | no issues yet |
| 19:42:07 | bonbonthejon | Zandaa: i wrote a script that gets the bootloader installs, gets the firmware and installs that, but its linux shell script |
| 19:42:18 | GodEater | current build is due to finish in about 7 minutes |
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| 19:42:37 | bonbonthejon | axion1: daily build or current build |
| 19:42:58 | GodEater | http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipod4gray/rockbox.zip |
| 19:43:08 | GodEater | there we go - the 4th gen gray scale is done already |
| 19:43:26 | axion1 | oh sry curent |
| 19:43:34 | Zandaa | GodEater: thanks ^^; I'm a bit new as far as firmware replacements go :( sorry for the trouble |
| 19:43:42 | GodEater | no trouble |
| 19:43:45 | GodEater | :) |
| 19:44:26 | GodEater | Zandaa: out of curiousity - why are you trying rockbox? For the ability to play more music in an easier to manage way? Or for the games ? :) |
| 19:44:32 | axion1 | I have versoin r12624−−070305 current build from the site |
| 19:44:36 | GodEater | or some other reason ? |
| 19:44:56 | Zandaa | GodEater: just for the sake of trying it out, tried iPL before which was... nice, and new audio codecs are always awesome |
| 19:45:18 | GodEater | oh well if you got iPL going, rockbox should be a breeze |
| 19:45:38 | Zandaa | I used an installer for iPL though, no manual work |
| 19:46:00 | GodEater | well - you should be okay |
| 19:46:06 | GodEater | the instructions are pretty thorough |
| 19:46:10 | GodEater | and we're here too |
| 19:46:28 | pixelma | Ahh - with the cop support we don't have to tell people to get a no-scaling build or something in that line, right? :) |
| 19:46:38 | Zandaa | the instructions seem straightforward so far :B plus I'll have bragging rights at school tomorrow *evillaugh* |
| 19:46:38 | GodEater | dan_a: btw - I've followed your example and started using git locally |
| 19:47:20 | GodEater | pixelma: seems to depend on the individual ipod =/ |
| 19:47:34 | dan_a | GodEater: Are you using git-svn to handle things, or running git on top of an SVN checkout? |
| 19:47:41 | GodEater | the latter |
| 19:48:05 | GodEater | haven't looked into git-svn |
| 19:48:12 | dan_a | pixelma: COP support seems to help, but I'm not guaranteeing anything |
| 19:48:25 | Zandaa | GodEater: any way I need to back up my current iPod firmware? |
| 19:48:42 | GodEater | Zandaa: the instructions include that step |
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| 19:49:00 | Zandaa | GodEater: kk ^^;, just asking.. don't want my apple firmware customizations to go to waste |
| 19:49:13 | pixelma | dan_a: thanks - just wanted to be prepared when someone asks |
| 19:49:17 | GodEater | Zandaa: the bootpartition.bin you'll end up with is your backed up firmware |
| 19:49:27 | Zandaa | GodEater: k, thanks ;) |
| 19:49:44 | GodEater | Zandaa: make sure you keep it somewhere safe :) |
| 19:50:02 | Zandaa | GodEater: somewhere on the iPod should do I guess right? |
| 19:50:41 | GodEater | Zandaa: that's a good idea - and somewhere on your PC too ideally |
| 19:50:52 | GodEater | I do the same with my gigabeat |
| 19:51:02 | GodEater | I even gmailed it to myself :) |
| 19:51:06 | Zandaa | GodEater: hm.. what about storing that on my network's fileserver? |
| 19:51:37 | GodEater | Zandaa: the more places the better in my experience |
| 19:51:48 | Zandaa | GodEater: okay :D |
| 19:51:58 | bluey- | will there ever be hfs+ support for the ipod? :) |
| 19:52:12 | GodEater | bluey-: extremely doubtful |
| 19:52:36 | GodEater | that would be a platform specific filesystem, and rockbox aims to be as cross platform as possible |
| 19:52:52 | Zandaa | GodEater: besides, after reading about how Rockbox allows for you to drag/drop music onto the iPod and let it work I was sold :B |
| 19:53:29 | bluey- | yeah but it would be interessting to see, how an diffent fs would help to improve the performance and battery times |
| 19:53:30 | GodEater | Zandaa: are you likely to want to dual boot ? |
| 19:54:02 | n1s | bluey-: what makes you think it woulod improve battery times? |
| 19:54:05 | Zandaa | GodEater: dualboot apple and rb? I unno :\ what do you suggest I do as a first shot? |
| 19:54:19 | bluey- | better caching |
| 19:54:25 | bluey- | for example |
| 19:54:34 | GodEater | Zandaa: well if you *will* dual boot, I'd stick to using iTunes to look after your music on the iPod, and use Rockbox's Database features |
| 19:54:34 | amiconn | bluey-: I doubt that a more complex file system will improve battery runtime and performance |
| 19:54:34 | bluey- | correct me if i`m wrong |
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| 19:54:57 | GodEater | if you're not going to dual boot, then you can consider using the drag 'n' drop method |
| 19:55:14 | Zandaa | GodEater: well, I mostly use winamp for syncing my iPod, was disgusted by the way iTunes worked |
| 19:55:20 | n1s | bluey-: wouldn't caching be more implementation dependant htan dependant on the FS? |
| 19:55:21 | axion1 | im stilll lookiing to how to create database |
| 19:55:24 | GodEater | because if you try to mix the two methods, you'll end up with music that the apple OS can't see |
| 19:56:41 | bluey- | well dunno but i`m sure there a limitations within the fs |
| 19:56:49 | GodEater | axion1: General Settings->File View->Database->Initialise Now |
| 19:57:10 | bluey- | isn`t or wasn`t creative using there own FS because of better performance |
| 19:57:23 | GodEater | bluey-: if anything I'd expect hfs+ to decrease battery life |
| 19:57:37 | GodEater | there's so much metadata overhead that it would be pointless for rockbox to support |
| 19:58:12 | amiconn | Umm..... |
| 19:58:25 | Zandaa | GodEater: sweet :D it's up and running now |
| 19:58:31 | amiconn | Rockbox doesn't boot any more on my mini2g, I wonder why? |
| 19:58:47 | amiconn | The bootloader says "rockbox loaded", and that's it |
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| 19:59:15 | n1s | bluey-: anyway the reason that FAT32 is a very good choice here is that it is so well supported by computer OS's, hfs is mac only (and linux and maybe some others) but fat works everywhere and it is quite simple too and it's supported by all OF's too |
| 19:59:53 | bluey- | thats a point |
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| 20:00:18 | GodEater | amiconn: frequency scaling issue? ;) |
| 20:00:23 | amiconn | Huh? |
| 20:00:32 | amiconn | The PP5022 never had frequency scaling issues |
| 20:00:38 | GodEater | hence the smiley ? |
| 20:02:18 | GodEater | amiconn: on another note - have you got round to a brief outline of your viewports plan anywhere ? |
| 20:04:13 | GodEater | bluey-: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NoDo#Support_other_filesystems_than_F |
| 20:04:23 | Zandaa | GodEater: o.O holy sweet |
| 20:04:42 | GodEater | Zandaa: is that good exclamation, or a bad one ? |
| 20:05:10 | Zandaa | GodEater: ehh, not quite sure.. but I bet it's good :D |
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| 20:05:58 | amiconn | Ah, my bootloader was too old. I thought it was new enough... |
| 20:06:20 | GodEater | hard to tell what color the background is on a mini huh ? |
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| 20:06:38 | GodEater | it's either grey, or grey |
| 20:06:42 | amiconn | I had a self-built bootloader running from mid-december |
| 20:06:54 | GodEater | that is quite a while back |
| 20:07:03 | preglow | haha |
| 20:07:05 | amiconn | I thought that one already had cop support |
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| 20:07:11 | preglow | looks like the zune-linux site is down :P |
| 20:07:17 | amiconn | Iirc I installed this bootloader because f that |
| 20:07:36 | GodEater | preglow: you mean the scotch mist site? :) |
| 20:07:57 | GodEater | or we'll-make-it-up-as-we-go-along-ware |
| 20:07:58 | n1s | I guess we should tell people to update their bootloaders as the old ones doesn't seem to work very well with the new cop support... |
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| 20:08:42 | GodEater | n1s: can't hurt |
| 20:09:35 | amiconn | Hmm, rockbox now seems to be more sluggish than without cop support... |
| 20:10:15 | axion1 | question when rockbox createst a playlist. and I scroll down to the name of hte file how do I save that file on the X5 |
| 20:10:16 | amiconn | ...and cop doesn't help anything regarding boost ratio |
| 20:10:49 | preglow | deed |
| 20:11:04 | amiconn | 57% boost with 256kbps mp3, 0dB linear stereo output |
| 20:11:29 | Zandaa | GodEater: how nice Rockbox may look :\ it's kinda jaggy on audio playback on my pod |
| 20:12:01 | GodEater | here's where you'll need the advice of actual ipod owners who run rockbox =/ |
| 20:12:12 | * | GodEater looks at amiconn significantly |
| 20:12:53 | GodEater | Zandaa: first thing you should try is change to a WPS that doesn't use peak meters |
| 20:13:02 | GodEater | they eat valuable CPU |
| 20:13:12 | GodEater | try RockBOX'd |
| 20:13:17 | preglow | amiconn: it shouldn't actually be slower |
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| 20:13:21 | Zandaa | GodEater: I see, under settings right? |
| 20:13:22 | preglow | amiconn: but something is wrong indeed |
| 20:13:33 | amiconn | preglow: No, it shouldn't, but it feels like it is |
| 20:14:18 | GodEater | Zandaa: Settings->Browse Themes I believe |
| 20:14:21 | pixelma | GodEater: Rockboxed isn't very nice in greyscale (or mono) |
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| 20:14:30 | Zandaa | GodEater: got it on rockboxed, thanks |
| 20:14:31 | dan_a | It seems like disk spinups take longer with the COP support |
| 20:14:33 | preglow | i don't think rockboxed is very nice at all |
| 20:15:00 | GodEater | Zandaa: try the playback again - that *should* help |
| 20:15:08 | Zandaa | GodEater: it seems better now, yeah |
| 20:15:08 | pixelma | preglow: I don't like it much myself but that's personal taste |
| 20:15:23 | preglow | pixelma: sure, didn't claim i spoke for everyone ;) |
| 20:15:34 | GodEater | Zandaa: I'd try browsing through the forums and look for other people who have audio issues with the ipod |
| 20:15:38 | GodEater | and see the other things they've tried |
| 20:15:54 | GodEater | I'm still waiting for LinusN to work his magic with the 80GB before I can try them myself |
| 20:16:22 | * | LinusN hides under a rock |
| 20:16:27 | Zandaa | GodEater: it's especially while using other functions :\ |
| 20:16:30 | GodEater | I think I'm going to give up subtly digging at LinusN for Lent |
| 20:16:33 | GodEater | :) |
| 20:16:43 | GodEater | you have 40 odd days of peace Linus ;) |
| 20:16:50 | pondlife | I gave up subtlety for Lent |
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| 20:17:04 | GodEater | nice thing to give up pondlife :) |
| 20:17:08 | GodEater | I wish I'd thought of that |
| 20:17:18 | * | amiconn spots LinusN under his rock ;) |
| 20:17:26 | pondlife | Hmm, how did tree.c track the current file in the old days (before the root menu)? |
| 20:17:35 | amiconn | LinusN: There is now a nice little M5 gfx for inclusion on the build page |
| 20:17:58 | * | GodEater wonders what an M5 is ? Other than a fast BMW that is |
| 20:17:58 | LinusN | amiconn: there is now a nice little m5 pic on the build page |
| 20:18:13 | pondlife | Anyone with a clue fancy looking at tree.c, routine rockbox_browse()? |
| 20:18:18 | amiconn | GodEater: iAudio M5, the greyscale twin of the X5 |
| 20:18:20 | GodEater | ooh pretty |
| 20:18:46 | GodEater | do you know - all this time I thought the X5 was greyscale |
| 20:19:01 | GodEater | how dumb do I feel now |
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| 20:19:06 | amiconn | There are some more differences. M5 has no radio and no USBOTG |
| 20:19:23 | zeth | Hi, is ogg supported on the 1st gen Ipod Nano? |
| 20:19:32 | preglow | ehh, when viewing an actual mail in the ml archive, the "current builds" and "extras" menu entries switch to something else |
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| 20:19:57 | GodEater | zeth: yes |
| 20:20:03 | zeth | cheers |
| 20:20:08 | GodEater | if by ogg, you mean ogg vorbis |
| 20:20:10 | zeth | I will give it a go tonight then |
| 20:20:12 | zeth | yeah |
| 20:20:15 | zeth | ogg vorbis |
| 20:21:09 | GodEater | heh - they go back to daily/svn builds :) |
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| 20:24:07 | zeth | what version of firmware do I use |
| 20:24:11 | zeth | current or archive |
| 20:24:12 | zeth | ? |
| 20:24:14 | GodEater | current |
| 20:24:30 | GodEater | always use current, unless you have a very good reason not to |
| 20:25:01 | Lear | pondlife: what about it (not that I know much more about it than you...)? |
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| 20:26:02 | zeth | cheers |
| 20:26:05 | pondlife | Previously, stopping playback would return to the browser with the last selected/played song selected (depending on follow playlist)... |
| 20:26:18 | pondlife | Now it always selects the first file in the folder. |
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| 20:27:38 | pondlife | Well, I'm out of hacking time again. |
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| 20:31:40 | preglow | should we try to revert the "switch off when alarm is set" functionality the manual describes, or correct the manual? |
| 20:31:59 | LinusN | i don't think it should switch off |
| 20:32:17 | Lear | pondlife: (In case you're reading the log) Previously tree.c would start the WPS, so when you left the WPS, you returned to tree.c, with all the context intact. Now dirbrowse returns a special value when it is time to show the WPS. |
| 20:32:19 | preglow | and i think i agree |
| 20:33:16 | amiconn | LinusN: How could we handle potential collisions then? |
| 20:33:28 | amiconn | I.e. the alarm kicking in when the box is still on? |
| 20:33:39 | LinusN | why would that be a problem? |
| 20:33:39 | preglow | why would we want to handle that? |
| 20:33:43 | preglow | it's the user's fault, surely |
| 20:33:54 | preglow | the powermgmt thread already checks for it |
| 20:34:00 | preglow | and disables alarm if it sees it |
| 20:34:08 | LinusN | which is wrong imho |
| 20:34:15 | amiconn | LinusN: *Iirc* the v1 alarm mod doesn't allow the box to shut down if that happens |
| 20:34:22 | LinusN | it should send a SYS_ALARM signal to the main thread |
| 20:34:37 | amiconn | ..and unless I'm missing something, the archos rtc doesn't send interrupts |
| 20:34:48 | preglow | it doesn't, no |
| 20:34:53 | LinusN | no, but the powermgnt thread polls the rtc |
| 20:34:59 | amiconn | oh ok |
| 20:35:08 | LinusN | there is no reason to force a shutoff |
| 20:35:16 | LinusN | or at least there shouldn't be |
| 20:35:35 | LinusN | damn, my sim hangs when trying to play mp3 files... :-( |
| 20:35:43 | amiconn | Then I wonder why there used to be a shutdown... |
| 20:36:11 | LinusN | because the rtc is connected to the ON button, and you can't shut it down if the rtc alarm is unhandled |
| 20:36:49 | amiconn | Yes I know. But you say the rtc is polled and hence the alarm will be handled... |
| 20:36:54 | Zandaa | :| mwah |
| 20:37:20 | LinusN | amiconn: that was added much later |
| 20:37:53 | amiconn | aha, makes sense |
| 20:40:34 | amiconn | hmmmmm |
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| 20:41:04 | amiconn | LinusN: Iirc there were reports regarding glitching keypads on X5? |
| 20:41:10 | LinusN | yes |
| 20:41:20 | amiconn | Seems this M5 does have the same problem |
| 20:41:22 | preglow | the manual also says that switching on again before an alarm triggers disables it, but i don't know if that's true on ipod |
| 20:41:33 | LinusN | there is a patch in the forums that solves it |
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| 20:41:55 | amiconn | I should probably add extra filtering the same way as on the H300 |
| 20:42:02 | Zandaa | :( unfortunately I had to uninstall rockbox.. iPod was getting too slow and whatnot |
| 20:42:55 | amiconn | Bah |
| 20:43:11 | * | amiconn almost never finds what he's looking for in the forums |
| 20:48:19 | bonbonthejon | Zandaa: what gen ipod |
| 20:48:29 | Zandaa | bonbonthejon: 4th gen, greyscale |
| 20:48:56 | bonbonthejon | Zandaa: same i have, do you have eq on, that slows it down, otherwise it works fine here |
| 20:49:09 | Zandaa | bonbonthejon: eq? don't think so |
| 20:50:43 | preglow | amiconn: gcc 4.1.x shaves off 7kb of rockbox.ipod |
| 20:51:02 | preglow | 4.1.1, i think it was i used |
| 20:51:12 | bonbonthejon | anyone know why rockbox scans the disk when it turns on? |
| 20:51:38 | pixelma | preglow: IIRC dan_a was tinkering a bit too a while ago |
| 20:51:46 | preglow | bonbonthejon: because you enabled dircache? |
| 20:51:55 | bonbonthejon | preglow: ah |
| 20:52:30 | Zandaa | bonbonthejon: got rockbox back on, it still responds really slow :\ |
| 20:52:52 | bonbonthejon | Zandaa: do you have the most recent bootloader and firmware |
| 20:53:01 | Zandaa | bonbonthejon: yeah |
| 20:53:16 | bonbonthejon | Zandaa: the old bootloader or the newer one |
| 20:53:36 | Zandaa | bonbonthejon: I guess the old one then |
| 20:54:12 | bonbonthejon | Zandaa: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
| 20:54:28 | bonbonthejon | Zandaa: did you use ipodpatcher? |
| 20:54:30 | * | preglow just tried the arm thumb patch |
| 20:54:43 | preglow | and all i can see is 4kb of size savings |
| 20:55:05 | preglow | not exactly staggering |
| 20:55:30 | Zandaa | bonbonthejon: yeah, used ipodpatcher |
| 20:55:32 | bonbonthejon | if I turn off bookmarking, can rockbox still resume play after I turn it off |
| 20:55:37 | bonbonthejon | Zandaa: hmm |
| 20:56:28 | amiconn | LinusN: The patch in the forum changes behaviour for all targets... |
| 20:56:32 | toffe | jhMikeS: are you there ? |
| 20:56:55 | amiconn | ...but I've adapted my sliding window filter from H300 to X5+M5 |
| 20:57:00 | Zandaa | bonbonthejon: and I'm kinda bummed by lack of iTunes DB reading as that's where all my music is stored currently |
| 20:57:03 | amiconn | ...and it seems to work nicely |
| 20:57:09 | LinusN | amiconn: great |
| 20:57:13 | preglow | Zandaa: just use the database feature |
| 20:57:25 | Zandaa | preglow: it says database not ready |
| 20:57:27 | bonbonthejon | Zandaa: there is supposedly a way to convert itunes db to rockbox's db |
| 20:57:33 | preglow | Zandaa: have you read the manual? |
| 20:57:46 | Zandaa | preglow: manual.. shortly, yeah |
| 20:58:40 | jhMikeS | toffe: yes, here and there |
| 20:59:06 | toffe | did you check your email ? |
| 20:59:37 | jhMikeS | no just got back, will do |
| 20:59:51 | toffe | or can you pm me? |
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| 21:05:56 | toffe | Soap: are you there ? |
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| 21:08:37 | Lear | Any opinions about http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5591 |
| 21:09:04 | Lear | I've updated it to SVN, but it is a bit of a hack, making gui_list_draw a bit more complex... |
| 21:16:05 | * | amiconn wonders whether this patch has a noticeable effect at all on the G5 |
| 21:16:08 | Zandaa | :| why does it not initialize a DB? |
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| 21:16:31 | n1s | Zandaa: because you didn't tell it to? |
| 21:16:36 | amiconn | Afaik the lcd controller has a practically fixed recovery time, independent of the size of the update |
| 21:17:19 | Zandaa | n1s: I told it to initialize now |
| 21:17:20 | amiconn | Hmm, and unless one uses paged scrolling it doesn't help at all on any target |
| 21:17:28 | Lear | Still, it avoids lots of drawing... |
| 21:17:49 | Lear | It doesn't help actual scrolling, no. |
| 21:17:59 | n1s | Zandaa: then wait til the disk stops spinning and then reboot your ipod, and it should say committing and then it should be ready |
| 21:18:26 | * | pixelma wishes tucoz was here to give the M5.svg the final touch... |
| 21:18:58 | Zandaa | n1s: ^^; thanks again.. I'm so stupid at times -.- |
| 21:19:39 | n1s | Zandaa: taking a look in the manual might help you to understand most things about rockbox :-) |
| 21:20:01 | Zandaa | n1s: I just did :\ must've read over the line that says to reboot the pod |
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| 21:21:20 | * | bluebrother tries auto-creating pdf files from svg ... |
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| 21:21:38 | z0de | hi |
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| 21:22:39 | z0de | are their any more small games that can be added to rockbox that i can play while music plays |
| 21:22:54 | z0de | rockbox, bubbles, snake type games |
| 21:23:05 | z0de | also can anyone do lvl70 of bubbles? |
| 21:23:10 | decayedcell__ | that would have to be implemented in the actual game |
| 21:23:22 | bluebrother | check the tracker |
| 21:23:39 | bluebrother | but most of them might be integrated into Rockbox as of now. |
| 21:24:24 | z0de | trackers only has a few patchs for ipod. |
| 21:24:50 | z0de | or stuff thats already in |
| 21:25:09 | z0de | i was hoping i could drag-drop some mods in. |
| 21:25:59 | bluebrother | no. |
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| 21:26:15 | bluebrother | you won't drag-n-drop any plugins as they need to match the plugin API |
| 21:26:20 | bluebrother | which changes from time to time |
| 21:26:23 | z0de | so i cant play any other games without using a doom type set up. |
| 21:26:52 | z0de | I've finished brickmania far too meny times |
| 21:27:07 | Zandaa | wooo! we're animaniacs! |
| 21:27:11 | z0de | and im stuck on lvl70 of bubbles. |
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| 21:28:52 | x1jmp | Can someone explain me that '* $Id: ' line in every source file? Is it an automatically updated header? |
| 21:29:06 | * | jhMikeS isn't sure why the keyboard should have to restrict cursor movement based on the smallest screen. the selected char doesn't match between remote and main lcd anyhow. |
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| 21:32:36 | bluebrother | x1jmp: yes |
| 21:32:37 | Buschel | hi all, any developers in here? i'd like to discuss some issues regarding musepack and ID3-tags |
| 21:32:42 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Probably because nobody has come up with a clean multiscreen implementation of the keypad |
| 21:33:23 | bluebrother | it's a header that has the latest vcs ID and date. Makes it easier to track versions of a file |
| 21:34:19 | Lear | buschel: don't mix the two? |
| 21:34:21 | jhMikeS | amiconn: it forces both screens into line edit simultaneously so the cursor hops oddly on the main. To me it makes some sense to just have them operate independently. |
| 21:34:26 | x1jmp | bluebrother: So just ignore it? |
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| 21:34:44 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Yes, with just the edit line synced |
| 21:35:07 | amiconn | (only the contents, neither cursor position nor mode) |
| 21:35:12 | Buschel | lear: why should it not be allowed to mix musepack with ID3 |
| 21:35:15 | z0de | How do i finish bubbles lvl70. |
| 21:35:18 | jhMikeS | right |
| 21:35:21 | z0de | Tips please. |
| 21:35:38 | Lear | Because Musepack uses APE tags. That's the "official" format at least... |
| 21:36:13 | jhMikeS | it doesn't distinguish remote and main keypresses atm |
| 21:36:22 | Buschel | lear: well, you may combine .mpc's with ID3 −− i've got nearly 1000 such files |
| 21:36:24 | bluebrother | x1jmp: yes, mostly. |
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| 21:37:23 | bluebrother | Buschel: I don't know about mpc, but some programs even allow id3v2 tags in vorbis files, which is plain wrong (and will cause problems in Rockbox) |
| 21:37:49 | Lear | But what are the issues? |
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| 21:38:19 | Buschel | bluebrother: but all sw-players I tried (e.g. winamp) work do not bother about the kind of tag attached to musepack −− why shoul rockbox? |
| 21:39:31 | Buschel | lear: issue = a) forbid combination of musepack with ID3 or b) how to exchange all my ID3-tags with APE ;) |
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| 21:39:47 | bluebrother | I don't know if using id3 in mpc files is broken. If it is broken Rockbox shouldn't bother, regardless of PC players |
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| 21:40:28 | Buschel | believe me: mpc will not got broken by either ID3v1/v1.1 or v2 |
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| 21:40:48 | amiconn | bluebrother: I agree that we shouldn't support broken combinations of tags and format, but rockbox shouldn't crash either |
| 21:41:03 | Lear | buschel: Changing tags should be easy with a program like mp3tag. But as always, test a few files first, before attacking all files. :) |
| 21:41:12 | Buschel | rockbox ignores ID3-tags with musepack. but such files are not broken. |
| 21:41:17 | amiconn | Either it should just ignore the file, or play it (without reading the metadata) |
| 21:41:57 | Buschel | do you think there is a slight possibility that rockbox may support ID3-tags with musepack files in future? |
| 21:42:25 | bluebrother | does it crash on id3 tags in those files? |
| 21:43:00 | Buschel | no, it does playback very well. the tag data will not be loaded to database or be even shown |
| 21:43:12 | bluebrother | it shouldn't crash, agreed. |
| 21:43:39 | bluebrother | But as I said, I don't know if mpc & id3 is a valid combination. At least the mpc website tells to use ape tags. |
| 21:44:02 | amiconn | I fact rockbox should never crash on malformed input |
| 21:44:16 | bluebrother | someone else than me might know better if that combination is valid or not |
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| 21:44:19 | amiconn | (like when e.g. renaming an mp3 file to .ogg and then trying to play it) |
| 21:44:31 | bluebrother | amiconn: I absolutely agree with that |
| 21:44:39 | Buschel | well, as I wrote the very first encoders and created the format (up to SV7-bitstream) I can tell you that ID3 and .mpc are compatible :) |
| 21:45:00 | Buschel | that's why I have problems with so many old files and ID3-tags... |
| 21:46:40 | bluebrother | ah :) Btw, there is a broken link on the musepack website to uni-jena.de pages |
| 21:47:29 | Buschel | that was Franks site. afaik he also stopped participation in development |
| 21:49:11 | Lear | AFAICT, ID3V1 is acceptable with MPC. But that format is quite limited... |
| 21:49:51 | Buschel | thats true, but it will be a pain and quite risky to delete all ID3s and replace them with APE |
| 21:50:37 | Lear | Shouldn't be a pain with mp3tag. |
| 21:51:09 | Buschel | is this tagger capable of reading the information out of exisiting tags and replacing them with APE? |
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| 21:52:59 | Lear | Should be, yes. I've replaced ID3V1 with ID3V2. Not tried change to APE though (which is trickier, since both tags are at the end of the file). |
| 21:53:09 | Lear | But test on a file or two first... |
| 21:53:28 | * | jhMikeS sees get_action_statuscode and hopes that does the trick |
| 21:53:28 | Zandaa | :\ rockbox just randomly resetted my iPod |
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| 21:54:50 | sneakums | does the "reduce ticking" setting for the iriver remote still impact run time? |
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| 21:56:36 | Scooter | back again (Buschel) |
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| 21:59:30 | Scooter | so, cannot change my nick back... I just found mp3tag cannot write APE-tags. Any other well-known tool some here knows? |
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| 22:00:07 | petur | Scooter: if you registered it, do /msg nickserv ghost |
| 22:02:31 | thewho | How can I terminate the sim under windows (H120)? I tried to hold the return key (=STOP) pressed but nothing happened. I always have to close the sim window by clicking at the X in the top right corner. |
| 22:02:49 | thewho | Alt+F4 doesn't work for the sim window (for me at least) |
| 22:03:01 | Scooter | petur: hmm, doesn't work... no problem though |
| 22:03:09 | LinusN | yes, clicking X is the way to do it |
| 22:03:10 | Zandaa | grrr |
| 22:03:28 | Zandaa | rockbox keeps resetting my iPod randomly as i'm playing music :( |
| 22:03:41 | thewho | LinusN: so the shutdown function (the most important one!!!:-) is not simulated? |
| 22:03:52 | LinusN | not that i know of |
| 22:04:39 | thewho | LinusN: weird but ok. So for example the "save config on shutdown" can only be tesed on target? |
| 22:05:04 | thewho | (if the config is saved on shutdown) |
| 22:05:13 | LinusN | guess so |
| 22:05:50 | Arathis | LinusN: your uisim changes where for all targets, right? |
| 22:07:22 | LinusN | yes |
| 22:07:36 | preglow | LinusN: thanks for that |
| 22:07:39 | LinusN | hmmm, perhaps not archos player |
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| 22:08:00 | Lear | Scooter: I write APE tags to WavPack files with it. Works fine. |
| 22:08:42 | Arathis | LinusN: I updated all target-tables. I also added U for USB toggling. I'm not sure if that is for all targets too |
| 22:10:16 | Scooter | Lear: just found another tool also called mp3tag -> write APE from any other ID3-tag :o) |
| 22:10:32 | x1jmp | How do I detect, if USB was connected with menu_run? |
| 22:10:41 | Lear | Scooter: I mean this one: http://www.mp3tag.de/en/ |
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| 22:11:12 | Scooter | yes, V2.37a |
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| 22:13:51 | amiconn | LinusN: The debug was there for a reason: it should remind of the missing "lcd off" simulation for colour |
| 22:14:43 | LinusN | but it is annoying as hell |
| 22:14:59 | amiconn | Is it? |
| 22:15:35 | LinusN | yes, the interesting debug output is drowned in "backlight: on" printouts |
| 22:15:38 | * | amiconn wasn't annoyed enough to add the missing simulation |
| 22:16:43 | preglow | i had it commented out in my local tree |
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| 22:17:04 | preglow | made using the sim so much nicer |
| 22:17:11 | preglow | at least for debugging, which i tend to use it for a lot |
| 22:17:17 | LinusN | same here |
| 22:18:25 | LinusN | sure, it might have been better to do proper simulation of the backlight, but i'll leave that to someone who cares |
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| 22:21:18 | LinusN | Arathis: saw that and made some corrections. thanks. |
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| 22:24:22 | Nico_P | LinusN: well done... i should have removed that hing a long time ago |
| 22:25:40 | dan_a | preglow: I've just seen your comments about the thumb patch - sure it's only 4kb of saving, but that's with about 6 files compiled as thumb. If everything was compiled as thumb, and if that worked, we shave 25% off the binary |
| 22:26:29 | preglow | just six files? |
| 22:26:34 | preglow | damn, way to go misunderstanding a patch |
| 22:27:33 | dan_a | Check the changes to the 2 Makefiles |
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| 22:28:23 | zeth | Okay I am installing Rockbox on my nano, and I am a bit confused by 2.2.3.7 |
| 22:28:47 | zeth | I.e. the bit where you start using ipodcatcher |
| 22:29:02 | zeth | is my nano supposed to be mounted or not at this point? |
| 22:29:45 | linuxstb_ | zeth: Try these instructions instead - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
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| 22:30:47 | linuxstb_ | If you use those, we no longer recommend a backup (but feel free to make one if you wish). The Nano shouldn't be mounted, but on Linux it doesn't matter. |
| 22:31:05 | linuxstb_ | (on Mac OS X it must not be mounted). |
| 22:31:25 | zeth | I am on Linux |
| 22:31:39 | zeth | Can have it mounted or not |
| 22:31:51 | zeth | if it is safer unmounted then I'll do that |
| 22:31:59 | linuxstb_ | It shouldn't make any difference. |
| 22:32:08 | zeth | so pick one |
| 22:32:32 | linuxstb_ | Well, I never mount things unless I need to.... |
| 22:32:41 | zeth | cheers |
| 22:32:43 | linuxstb_ | (I have disabled automounting) |
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| 22:34:03 | zeth | least by unmounting I can be sure that the files are really written |
| 22:34:18 | zeth | to the disk, the .rockbox I just put there |
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| 22:35:46 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: Does Rockbox work for you with the old bootloader on your 4g? I've only tested on my 5g, and get the same data abort that others have reported when starting playback. |
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| 22:42:57 | dan_a | linuxstb_: I'm sure it did when I tested it... let me just try again |
| 22:43:05 | zeth | Okay I ran ipodcatcher |
| 22:43:12 | zeth | It said it installed okay |
| 22:43:22 | zeth | [INFO] Bootloader installed successfully. |
| 22:43:38 | zeth | But then it said something on the ipod screen (that I missed) |
| 22:43:48 | zeth | Now I have regular ipod |
| 22:44:01 | zeth | is that correct behaviour? |
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| 22:44:27 | linuxstb_ | zeth: Is your hold switch on? |
| 22:44:33 | zeth | it was |
| 22:44:46 | linuxstb_ | That tells the Rockbox bootloader to start the Apple firmware :) |
| 22:44:47 | zeth | is that bad? |
| 22:44:51 | zeth | ok |
| 22:45:07 | zeth | how do I tell it to load my trendy new firmware? |
| 22:45:17 | linuxstb_ | Leave the hold switch off. |
| 22:45:37 | linuxstb_ | (whilst you reboot - hold MENU+SELECT) |
| 22:46:17 | zeth | nice |
| 22:46:20 | zeth | I'm in |
| 22:46:52 | linuxstb_ | Now go to Settings and Browse Themes and choose something other than the default - e.g. iCatcher. |
| 22:47:07 | linuxstb_ | Although on the Nano the default isn't that bad... |
| 22:47:35 | zeth | default is pretty tiny text |
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| 22:49:27 | zeth | So the controls seem identical to the legacy firmware |
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| 22:54:05 | zeth | I have been using the ipod nano for half a year already and it is 60% full or more, the legacy database, does that use a lot of memory |
| 22:54:30 | zeth | Can I save much by attacking the other firmware? |
| 22:54:41 | dan_a | linuxstb_: I used the bootloader in r10435. I get all the threads on the CPU, and when I try to play a song it works fine. |
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| 22:56:21 | linuxstb_ | What date is that? I just used the release versions, from Jan 2006 I think. |
| 22:57:00 | dan_a | August 2006, just before I made the COP handling changes |
| 22:57:22 | perl|work | i wonder why people want rockbox on zen vision m |
| 22:57:50 | perl|work | its less "crippled" contemporary player ever |
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| 22:58:24 | dan_a | perl|work: Voice menus? Codecs? Games? |
| 22:58:36 | linuxstb_ | For the fun of it... |
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| 22:59:00 | dan_a | To impress girls |
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| 22:59:25 | linuxstb_ | So does UMS drag-and-drop work on the Zen? I thought all Creative players needed some Windows application to copy files. |
| 22:59:26 | perl|work | erm, its OF it much more impressive, to girls that is |
| 22:59:39 | perl|work | it=is |
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| 23:00:37 | zeth | Okay, I have an Ipod Nano at least half full of stuff, I have installed rockbox and read most of the manual |
| 23:01:00 | zeth | Q. When I want to add new stuff, how does that work? |
| 23:01:10 | zeth | Do I treat it as a normal ipod? |
| 23:01:19 | bluebrother | you can use itunes |
| 23:01:26 | zeth | Or as a normal mp3 player and just dump the files on |
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| 23:01:34 | zeth | I do not have itunes |
| 23:01:38 | bluebrother | alternatively, you can simply drag n drop your audio files to the player in disk mode |
| 23:01:40 | zeth | I hav gtkpod |
| 23:01:40 | linuxstb_ | It's your choice. If you want the Apple firmware to see the files, you have to use it as an ipod. If not, then just drag-and-drop. |
| 23:01:56 | zeth | No I have rejected the ipod firmware |
| 23:02:21 | bluebrother | replace "itunes" with any ipod aware software |
| 23:02:23 | linuxstb_ | Then "rm -r /mnt/ipod/iPod_Control/" and just copy the files. |
| 23:02:48 | zeth | I'd rather drag and drop |
| 23:03:27 | petur | JdGordon: here? |
| 23:03:28 | perl|work | linuxstb_ its an MTP device |
| 23:04:08 | zeth | I want to play some music but "database is not ready" |
| 23:04:42 | zeth | How long does that take? |
| 23:04:44 | linuxstb_ | perl|work: Then getting rid of that would be one reason to port Rockbox. |
| 23:05:23 | pixelma | perl|work: then I would hate it and prefer drag-and-drop with Rockbox. And I say that as a girl :P |
| 23:05:25 | perl|work | well, it doesnt need any software if you're under XP |
| 23:05:30 | perl|work | you just drug and drop anyway |
| 23:05:37 | zeth | Ok, so when I drag and drop |
| 23:05:43 | perl|work | drag* |
| 23:05:44 | zeth | Where should I drop it? |
| 23:05:52 | Kasperle | zeth: until the "disk active" icon disappears. after that, you might need to reboot to commit the database |
| 23:06:03 | petur | root menu bug: root -> plugins , then press play (resumes playback), then press stop. You're now again in the plugin list but left no longer goes to root |
| 23:06:15 | zeth | Maybe I should kill the database and start again |
| 23:06:16 | perl|work | MTP is an XP built in feature |
| 23:06:29 | zeth | get everything into drag and drop world |
| 23:06:34 | linuxstb_ | perl|work: The whole world doesn't use XP |
| 23:06:51 | Kasperle | zeth: you can drop it anywhere you want. you can then browse by database or directly browse the filesystem by selecting the appropiate entry of rockbox's root menu |
| 23:06:52 | JdGordon | petur: hey |
| 23:07:11 | zeth | Kasperle should I make like a hierarchy? |
| 23:07:22 | Kasperle | zeth: whatever floats your boat :D |
| 23:07:34 | petur | JdGordon: just wrote a root menu bugreport a few lines up |
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| 23:07:54 | linuxstb_ | zeth: Yes. Most people use an Artist/Album/NN-Track structure. Maybe with an extra Genre level at the top. |
| 23:07:58 | JdGordon | I saw... i have a 4 hour break today at uni, so im gonna fix all these tree bugs hopefully |
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| 23:09:34 | Kasperle | i normally like to use the database to browse music, but i recently dragged a bunch of not-so-well-tagged music onto the ipod :/ |
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| 23:12:06 | zeth | Okay I have music |
| 23:12:23 | zeth | nice |
| 23:12:56 | zeth | is it me or does it sound different? |
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| 23:13:10 | zeth | slightly lighter |
| 23:13:30 | zeth | more treble? |
| 23:14:04 | zeth | a clearer sound, less bass growl? |
| 23:14:14 | Kasperle | i think rockbox has an equalizer somewhere. but i dunno, i never used it |
| 23:15:24 | zeth | This is really nice software |
| 23:15:40 | zeth | Can I change the menu names? |
| 23:15:52 | zeth | Can I change 'database' to 'music' ? |
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| 23:16:36 | petur | man mount |
| 23:16:40 | petur | frrrr |
| 23:16:46 | pixelma | :) |
| 23:17:02 | petur | learning linux the hard way |
| 23:17:06 | dan_a | linuxstb_: Bootloader version 20060404 works here |
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| 23:17:55 | * | dan_a congratulates roolku on his new purchase |
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| 23:23:17 | |Rincewind| | LinusN: I saw that you are fixing some bugs in the simulator, I don't if this is a general problem, but If I use 'u' to simulate usb and then press 'u' again to "disconnect" the buttons don't work anymore |
| 23:23:39 | JdGordon | |Rincewind|: i had a look at that and couldnt figure it out :p |
| 23:23:56 | |Rincewind| | JdGordon: do you get it, too? |
| 23:24:55 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 23:25:03 | JdGordon | its definatly a bug... |
| 23:25:22 | Zandaa | :( Rockbox keeps hanging on me, crap |
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| 23:26:45 | pixelma | Zandaa: you have a 4G right? Then you suffer from the well known frequency scaling bug - there is an unsupported build in the appropriate forum section who works around that |
| 23:27:17 | pixelma | (most likely) |
| 23:27:29 | Zandaa | pixelma: I just re-installed it using Loader2 to still gain access to Apple OS.. :\ |
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| 23:28:52 | Zandaa | pixelma: unsupported builds forum right? which topic should I look for? |
| 23:29:20 | pixelma | Zandaa: that should've worked for you too in rockbox when you used the old IpodInstallation instructions... |
| 23:29:45 | pixelma | no frequency scaling - I think it's called Mikeage build or similar |
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| 23:29:52 | Zandaa | pixelma: I did, but the standard RockLoader didn't allow me to choose AppleOS |
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| 23:31:04 | pixelma | you have to hold a button at startup (with the old bootloader I think) you don't get a menu. Don't know which because I don't own an ipod |
| 23:31:20 | linuxstb_ | It's MENU. |
| 23:32:34 | * | mcphail hast just built the cross-compiler... |
| 23:33:27 | Zandaa | grr >.< laggy playback |
| 23:35:36 | linuxstb_ | Zandaa: Which version of loader2 did you install? v2.4 isn't recommended for current Rockbox versions. |
| 23:36:03 | LinusN | |Rincewind|: fixed |
| 23:36:12 | Zandaa | linuxstb_: it probly was 2.4 :\, should find an older version I guess |
| 23:36:30 | linuxstb_ | No, you want a newer version... |
| 23:36:46 | linuxstb_ | Something from the last month or two. |
| 23:37:14 | Kasperle | Zandaa: you can either press and hold the menu button during startup, or reboot and put the ipod to "hold" |
| 23:37:25 | Kasperle | that should boot apple os with the current rockbox bootloader |
| 23:37:38 | zeth | Wow, i have the complete Bible and Python docs on my ipod |
| 23:37:46 | |Rincewind| | LinusN: nice |
| 23:38:13 | pixelma | Kasperle: he has to use an older bootloader because the new one doesn't load the AppleOS on the greyscale Ipods |
| 23:38:21 | Kasperle | oh! :( |
| 23:38:23 | zeth | now putting Terry Pratchet |
| 23:38:25 | Kasperle | sorry |
| 23:38:31 | Kasperle | zeth: how do you read those? |
| 23:38:38 | Kasperle | apple os / ipod notes? |
| 23:38:41 | zeth | in the reader |
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| 23:38:55 | Zandaa | linuxstb_: can't find anything newer than loader2.4 :\ |
| 23:38:58 | zeth | viewer |
| 23:39:06 | Kasperle | zeth: what viewer? |
| 23:39:12 | zeth | The rockbox one |
| 23:39:30 | pixelma | .txt viewer I assume |
| 23:39:35 | zeth | Yeah |
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| 23:39:37 | Kasperle | ah. |
| 23:39:43 | zeth | For example, extract this http://ebible.org/bible/web/webtxt.zip |
| 23:39:59 | Kasperle | some rich-text capable reader would be nice |
| 23:40:00 | zeth | I extracted that onto ipod/rockbox |
| 23:40:12 | zeth | Rich text is for wossies |
| 23:40:12 | Kasperle | at least something that can do bold/italic/underline and maybe links |
| 23:40:23 | zeth | LaTex reader |
| 23:40:28 | zeth | that would be cool |
| 23:40:30 | Kasperle | something like plucker for palmos |
| 23:40:39 | linuxstb_ | Zandaa: Try here - http://ipodlinux.org/5.5g - in the Downloads section. (ignore the fact it's the page for the 5.5g - loader2 runs on all ipods). |
| 23:40:45 | zeth | html maybe would be handy though |
| 23:40:59 | Kasperle | zeth: i'm not talking RTF here. just anything with formatting |
| 23:41:31 | zeth | yeah I was just joking about |
| 23:42:06 | zeth | 32 wide my screen is |
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| 23:42:33 | zeth | the ebible thing was just particularly well formatted for this kind of thing |
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| 23:45:05 | Zandaa | linuxstb_: Kasperle: thanks for all your help ^_^ I got Rockbox dualbooting with AppleOS using the newest loader, no laggy audio playback so far :D |
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| 23:49:02 | mcphail | can i say thanks to all the devs for creating such a clean build and install process. I'm looking forward to hacking this ipod-3g now :) |
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| 23:49:32 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: What do you think about the bootloaders? I think I prefer the option of the gcc 4.1.1 compiled, slightly hacked SVN bootloader. |
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| 23:50:42 | Zandaa | salut people, bed is calling |
| 23:50:50 | LinusN | sleep tight |
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| 23:51:17 | dan_a | linuxstb_: I agree, but with notes to say that it still needs fixing |
| 23:53:25 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: Yes, commit your changes to SVN (#ifdef'ed for the appropriate targets) with a disclaimer. |
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| 23:54:37 | linuxstb_ | Can you make some binaries, and I'll build ipodpatcher with the embedded files? |
| 23:55:10 | linuxstb_ | We should then probably make an announcement telling people they need to upgrade. |
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