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| 00:00:08 | Peps | well, there are lots of artist out there, how do you make that short? |
| 00:00:12 | Llorean | mcphail: None of the players have a button just for paged scrolling. |
| 00:00:34 | Llorean | mcphail: In most cases we added the option to hold down a button while scrolling to make it do pages instead of individual entries. |
| 00:00:49 | Peps | and titile are about 20 times that :) |
| 00:00:50 | Llorean | Peps: Divide by letter. |
| 00:00:54 | Peps | titles |
| 00:01:00 | mcphail | Llorean: i'm replying to bluebrother and linuxstb_ as above. |
| 00:01:29 | Peps | But I am talking about the database "Artist" list |
| 00:01:30 | Llorean | mcphail: Yes, they were referring to the fact that the way the iPod has its buttons set up, there's not a good one to use for such a purpose. |
| 00:01:31 | jhMikeS | preglow: this manual reads much more clearly than a coldfire doc esp. with examples of instruction use and what it does |
| 00:01:38 | Llorean | mcphail: Not that there wasn't a button specifically designed for it. |
| 00:01:59 | Llorean | Peps: You can edit your tagnavi.config to divide by letter. |
| 00:02:14 | pixelma | Llorean: forum question - so you know why some forum syntax issues (for example "<") gets ignored by the preview? |
| 00:02:17 | mcphail | Llorean: i'm not arguing with that fact |
| 00:02:22 | amiconn | jhMikeS: It *is* backward (and it's not consistent - the 'str' operation has the destination on the right) |
| 00:02:27 | pixelma | s/so/do |
| 00:02:37 | mcphail | Llorean: in fact, i wasn't arguing at all |
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| 00:02:40 | Llorean | pixelma: I have no idea why the preview displays it properly but the actual post doesn't, unfortunately |
| 00:02:55 | pixelma | yes - I lerned that know |
| 00:02:58 | jhMikeS | amiconn: as long as they say so in the first place, haven't gotten to that :) |
| 00:03:02 | pixelma | *learned |
| 00:03:05 | linuxstb_ | Peps: I don't use the database. |
| 00:03:19 | bluebrother | pixelma: s/know/now/? |
| 00:03:22 | * | pixelma joins rockbox typing class |
| 00:03:25 | bluebrother | ;-) |
| 00:03:30 | scorche | pixelma: i think i have heard before that it is a prevention for someone trying to hack into the forum |
| 00:03:41 | Peps | I think you are all taking the developer attitude. I am a developer too, but think a "user view" will be that a bad scroolwheel performance means she may abandom rockbox altogether |
| 00:03:52 | bluebrother | we have a typing class? Cool, I should do some practice in touch typing :) |
| 00:03:56 | Llorean | Peps: Rockbox hasn't been released yet on the iPods |
| 00:04:34 | mcphail | Peps: there seem to be a few scrollwheel patches on the website. Don't know if they will help. |
| 00:04:41 | pixelma | scorche: thanks for the info |
| 00:04:44 | bluebrother | a user may abandon Rockbox because of the bad battery runtime. |
| 00:04:46 | Llorean | Peps: I assure you, by the time there is a release version for 'users' there will be better scroll performance, it is a prerequisite. |
| 00:04:47 | preglow | there's a rockbox typing class? i sign on! |
| 00:04:52 | linuxstb_ | Peps: There _is_ someone working on it... |
| 00:05:23 | Peps | Llorean, that is great. I will say no more about that then |
| 00:05:24 | scorche | pixelma: something to do with injection and how once something is posted, it goes into the database for easy searching i believe |
| 00:05:49 | jhMikeS | well, they seem to tell you a lot more in advance anyway...not sure what suprises I'll get |
| 00:05:58 | Llorean | Peps: But remember, nobody pays for Rockbox, and nobody is getting paid for developing it. If you want it to happen sooner, do it yourself. Otherwise, have patience. Calling attention to 'users' doesn't work if there's no incentive to make them happy, anyway. |
| 00:06:09 | Llorean | Peps: It pretty much depends on who's interested in getting specific things done. |
| 00:06:37 | Peps | I am a developer too, and have/had several open source projects myself |
| 00:06:48 | preglow | would someone who cares about the state of firmware/sound.c please take a look at this patch? it makes sim use more of the code targets use: |
| 00:06:51 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/sw_tone_controls_for_sim.patch |
| 00:07:17 | Peps | I do not have the time mow to go into rockbox development, and really appreciate all the work you guys are doing |
| 00:07:17 | preglow | the patch name pretty much reveals my reason for doing it |
| 00:07:18 | mcphail | Talking of which, can anyone give me some constructive criticism of my 3g scrollwheel patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=13410 |
| 00:07:35 | linuxstb_ | Peps: Something else to consider is that Rockbox runs on about 20 different MP3 players, only a small number of which are ipods. Most developers prefer their non-ipod targets... |
| 00:08:08 | Peps | ipod marginalized. I never thought that day will come :) |
| 00:08:11 | Llorean | Peps: Or at the very least, spending their limited time working on things that benefit everyone. |
| 00:09:04 | bluebrother | ipod maginalized, at least for the devs. I guess it's the biggest user base still |
| 00:09:09 | Peps | but think about a scenario where rockbox is so good 50% of ipod's in the world are running it |
| 00:09:20 | * | bluebrother hides |
| 00:09:29 | Llorean | Peps: That'll never happen. Rockbox can never support iTunes music store music. |
| 00:09:57 | preglow | Llorean: unless they drop drm like steve jobs say they might |
| 00:10:05 | mcphail | Llorean: DRM'd music appears to be on the way out. There is hope yet |
| 00:10:11 | bluebrother | Rockbox isn't "cool" enough for the average end user |
| 00:10:28 | Peps | well, I bought an ipod beacuse all other players in NZ of the same functionality are more expensive, and most non available. I was looking at alternatives for a long time |
| 00:10:48 | scorche | bluebrother: actually, that is the problem...they like us because we have DOOM!!! |
| 00:10:56 | Peps | \read what cory doctorow has to say about jobes and drm |
| 00:10:56 | * | scorche sighs |
| 00:11:09 | Llorean | preglow: If that ever happens, then yes, I suppose we could |
| 00:11:22 | bluebrother | scorche: yes, and a lot of people install RB to get doom on their ipod and that's all. We really should consider removing doom |
| 00:11:28 | bluebrother | or at least make it a paid option |
| 00:11:31 | preglow | mcphail: this might overlap slasheri's work |
| 00:11:34 | scorche | haha |
| 00:11:39 | Llorean | Peps: On average here in the US, equivalently functional players don't exist. The iPod is fairly limited. More powerful players tend to cost less than it, though. |
| 00:11:45 | scorche | and rockboy |
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| 00:11:52 | mcphail | preglow: i haven't seen any patches for the 3g |
| 00:12:00 | bluebrother | "rockdoom is shareware. Please pay $$$ to the RB fund to unlock it" |
| 00:12:05 | preglow | mcphail: there is no patch yet, but he's going to commit it |
| 00:12:16 | Llorean | mcphail: Also, it's not just for the 3G. |
| 00:12:26 | Llorean | mcphail: It's general across the scrollwheels, I believe. |
| 00:12:41 | preglow | well, it should be |
| 00:13:08 | mcphail | preglow: Llorean: excellent. But the source code suggests the 3g scrollwheel is handled differently |
| 00:13:08 | Peps | another Q. Any chance of the cover art pathces and WPS stuff making it into the mainline? I got stung by several themes on the rockbox site that are using tags which require patched versions |
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| 00:13:34 | jhMikeS | When amiconn starts yelling "slasheri!" it's in cvs :) |
| 00:13:40 | preglow | Peps: covert art: no, we want it done another way |
| 00:13:48 | Llorean | mcphail: At a driver level, possibly, but from an application level they should both be treated the same. If they aren't, that's a problem. |
| 00:14:02 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The latest version I tested made things worse than svn for me |
| 00:14:06 | pixelma | jhMikeS: if it's only in CVS ;) |
| 00:14:19 | preglow | amiconn: i thought it worked nice. how did it make things worse? |
| 00:14:27 | jhMikeS | true enough...still auto typing that lol |
| 00:14:33 | amiconn | It was faster, but it also was incredibly jumpy and hard to get to where I want |
| 00:15:03 | preglow | maybe he's done some more work since last time anyway |
| 00:15:10 | amiconn | Yes, possibly |
| 00:15:19 | preglow | i'd love to see it in, the scrollwheel behaviour in rockbox annoys the hell out of me |
| 00:15:22 | preglow | it's laggy and slow |
| 00:15:26 | Peps | It would help new users if the themes using non standard feature are clearly marked as such |
| 00:15:26 | mcphail | Llorean: there is a separate file for the 3g scrollwheel function. I don't know if that qualifies as driver or application level |
| 00:15:45 | amiconn | preglow: I never experienced lagginess before cop support was committed :\ |
| 00:15:46 | preglow | Peps: where did you find these themes? |
| 00:15:53 | preglow | amiconn: i did, all the time |
| 00:16:03 | amiconn | It's just a little slow but it's reliable |
| 00:16:13 | Llorean | Peps: It's a wiki, which is user edited/created. Unfortunately that means it's user responsibility for the most part. |
| 00:16:25 | preglow | amiconn: i think it's somewhat reliable, but that doesn't mean it should be slow |
| 00:16:40 | preglow | amiconn: browsing a big list is sooooo much slower than it should be |
| 00:16:49 | amiconn | It's a little slow but not too slow imho |
| 00:16:54 | preglow | it's far too slow |
| 00:17:00 | bluebrother | Peps: there is also rockbox-themes.org, which also list the required patches |
| 00:17:10 | preglow | amiconn: tried retailos? |
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| 00:17:19 | preglow | amiconn: that does it fairly well, if you ask me |
| 00:17:25 | preglow | amiconn: at least for nano |
| 00:17:25 | Peps | this is where I took thjem from, I think |
| 00:17:30 | amiconn | preglow: Impossible to test long lists in retailos |
| 00:17:39 | amiconn | (even if I would put retailos back on) |
| 00:17:53 | bluebrother | rockbox-themes is not a wiki. The WpsGallery page in the Rockbox wiki is ;-) |
| 00:17:59 | Llorean | Peps: Well, if it was rockbox-themes.org, you need to talk to the administrator of that site. |
| 00:18:10 | linuxstb_ | preglow: I agree, the retailos performance is what Rockbox needs to mimic. |
| 00:18:12 | Peps | which is? |
| 00:18:19 | preglow | amiconn: well, yeah, if you're not willing to put some tracks on it |
| 00:18:25 | preglow | linuxstb_: agreed |
| 00:18:36 | preglow | it's fast when you want to be fast and precise when you want it to be that |
| 00:18:41 | amiconn | preglow: I would need to put tracks on it *using itunes*, and I won't install that. Never. |
| 00:18:48 | linuxstb_ | Although it's been a while since I used it - before we had sound in Rockbox. |
| 00:18:50 | preglow | amiconn: there are tons of alternatives to that |
| 00:19:04 | Llorean | Peps: Go to the site and look for contact information. It's a 3rd party site right now. |
| 00:19:06 | amiconn | Besides, there isn't enough space left on my mini to add enough tracks for a long list |
| 00:19:16 | preglow | you could add small tracks :) |
| 00:19:25 | linuxstb_ | Or empty files... |
| 00:19:38 | bluebrother | Peps: look at the site for an address. He was around in this channel more frequently about a year ago but I haven't seen him for quite a while |
| 00:19:45 | linuxstb_ | Maybe just putting a lot of files into the Notes directory would be enough to test the scrolling. |
| 00:19:48 | amiconn | ...and in rockbox, the longest list is the all tracks listing in the db. Still bearable with rockbox svn scrollwheel handling |
| 00:19:52 | bluebrother | his nick was RedBreva |
| 00:20:06 | scorche | i have seen him around in the forums |
| 00:20:21 | preglow | amiconn: if you like scrolling through 5000 entries at that speed, you've got special tastes |
| 00:20:24 | amiconn | 559 music files on my mini according to stats.rock |
| 00:20:34 | Peps | I don't see a contact anywhere there |
| 00:21:00 | Peps | sorry sysadmin@rockbox-themes.org |
| 00:22:19 | * | linuxstb_ only has 1499 music files on his 60GB color... |
| 00:22:45 | amiconn | ...and I can scroll the whole list in less than 30sec |
| 00:23:05 | mcphail | amiconn: /me has 2752 and needs a decen scrollwheel |
| 00:23:43 | preglow | amiconn: point is that scrolling thirty seconds to find a song in a list of 500 is abnormally slow |
| 00:23:50 | mcphail | amiconn: in "retailos" i can scroll through in a few seconds |
| 00:23:51 | preglow | it should be ton in ten seconds, max |
| 00:23:58 | preglow | s/ton/done/ |
| 00:24:12 | preglow | spending two minutes to find a track among 2000 is just not acceptable at all |
| 00:24:17 | amiconn | If it would scroll faster, how would I be able to spot the line where I want to stop? |
| 00:24:27 | amiconn | It's already quite blurry |
| 00:24:36 | preglow | amiconn: you know how they're sorted, so you do a rough scan |
| 00:24:45 | preglow | amiconn: and slow down when you're close |
| 00:24:48 | mcphail | preglow: i find the problem comes with bands named "The <whatever>". Getting to letter T is hideous |
| 00:25:20 | Peps | I think the ipod strips the "The". is there such a rockbox option? |
| 00:25:26 | * | amiconn wouldn't like the scrolling to skip entries |
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| 00:25:44 | mcphail | amiconn: it _doesnt_ skip. That's why it is so nice. |
| 00:25:46 | Llorean | Peps: There's a patch for skipping 'the' in the database. |
| 00:25:55 | amiconn | That's why I practically never use paged scrolling - I'd rather live with somewhat slower scrolling than overshoot |
| 00:26:01 | preglow | amiconn: i would, i don't need a precise seek always, i need a very fast seek until i see i'm close, then i slow down |
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| 00:26:16 | preglow | amiconn: there's absolutely no point in seeing all the entries between the start point and the song i want |
| 00:26:31 | preglow | i only need to see some entries to see where i am relative to where i want to be |
| 00:26:56 | preglow | amiconn: and if i for some reason want to see all the entries, i just scroll slower, which should also be possible |
| 00:27:58 | amiconn | If you know exactly what I want - why go through ultra-long lists? Just go there via the fs browser |
| 00:28:20 | * | linuxstb_ creates some random filenames on his ipod, and discovers "con" and "aux" aren't valid filenames on FAT. |
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| 00:28:45 | amiconn | I see the all-tracks listing in the db as a way to get an overview - if I don't know exactly what I am looking for |
| 00:28:55 | amiconn | ...and for this to work, I need to see all entries |
| 00:28:58 | preglow | amiconn: because everyone should be able to use rockbox the way they want without hacks like that |
| 00:29:15 | Llorean | amiconn: Also, scrolling is much slower on the 5G than on your Mini, isn't it? |
| 00:29:20 | mcphail | amiconn: i have 428 artists. Getting a decent fs hierarchy would be a lot of work for little gain |
| 00:29:45 | Llorean | mcphail: It'd take about 20 minutes with a decent tag tool, and you wouldn't even have to be at your computer while it ran. |
| 00:30:02 | amiconn | linuxstb_: con, aux, lpt1...lpt3, com1..com8 etc are all reserved dos names |
| 00:30:04 | preglow | amiconn: can you think of a single good reason why _not_ to implement scrolling like i explain? the behaviour you want should still be possible |
| 00:30:24 | mcphail | Llorean: i shouldn't have to be at my comp at all |
| 00:30:30 | amiconn | preglow: Well if it doesn't disturb slower scrolling I wouldn't be against it |
| 00:30:48 | amiconn | It's just that I havent seen an implementation that doesn't |
| 00:31:02 | preglow | amiconn: scrolling speed should be entirely dependent on the speed at which your finger is scrolling |
| 00:31:22 | preglow | or nose, toe, or whatever you want to use for scrolling |
| 00:31:27 | Llorean | mcphail: So, your statement is "I should gain without having to do anything"? |
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| 00:31:58 | mcphail | Llorean: no, "I shouldn't lose for using the software" |
| 00:32:01 | Llorean | mcphail: You can fix the problem by improving scrolling, which takes work, or you can fix the problem by setting up a proper tagnavi, which involves less work, or you can fix it by having a decent filesystem, which involves no work other than starting the tool. |
| 00:32:29 | preglow | linuxstb_: yeah, creating files in Notes works |
| 00:32:56 | amiconn | preglow: Afaik that is what Slasheri's patch does |
| 00:33:06 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Yes, I've just tried it as well... But it takes a long time for the Notes viewer to scan the directory with 1000 files in it... |
| 00:33:13 | Llorean | mcphail: But saying "I shouldn't have to do anything" is somewhat strange. You'll lose *something* for installing Rockbox no matter what, the question is solely if the gains outweigh the costs. |
| 00:33:24 | Peps | but please do not forget that it would be nice for some users to keep their ipod compatible with apple firmware as well |
| 00:33:31 | preglow | linuxstb_: it took a long time with only 10 files in it |
| 00:33:36 | preglow | and this is flash, goddamnit |
| 00:33:37 | |Rincewind| | If anyone wants to test my record button patch, It now includes "Insert" in file browser. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5555#comment13769 |
| 00:33:39 | preglow | stupid, stupid apple |
| 00:33:52 | mcphail | Llorean: exactly. so why compromise on a potential gain, by forcing people to organise files rather than using a scrollwheel properly? |
| 00:34:04 | preglow | using scrollwheel properly is coming anyway |
| 00:34:05 | Llorean | mcphail: Nobody's arguing against improving the scrollwheel. |
| 00:34:11 | preglow | we're talking what you can do _now_ |
| 00:34:18 | Llorean | mcphail: But it's VERY important that it be done properly and well. |
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| 00:34:38 | Llorean | mcphail: There's absolutely no sense in rushing a temporary solution that will then have to be undone later. |
| 00:34:38 | mcphail | Llorean: and i'm not arguing about your preference to organise your files. But the software can and should do both |
| 00:34:49 | Llorean | mcphail: Again, I never said it shouldn't. |
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| 00:35:19 | mcphail | Llorean: i would look upon abandoning the database for a filesystem hierarchy as a temporary solution |
| 00:35:22 | amiconn | But at least the version I tested felt really jumpy. (1) The cursor bar didn't stay at the same line in the browser while scrolling in one direction. (2) Scroll speed varied a lot even without changing finger speed (at least as perceived by me) |
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| 00:35:50 | amiconn | (1) was probably just a bug. (2) might be solvable by silencing the speed value |
| 00:36:00 | Llorean | mcphail: That's your prerogative, but it's a temporary solution that never has to be undone, and lasts forever. Unlike a temporary faster scrolling which would have to be removed if a proper faster scrolling were finally done. |
| 00:36:01 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, (1) annoyed me a lot as well |
| 00:36:26 | amiconn | (1) annoyed me far more than even a multi-minute scroll session with svn would |
| 00:36:48 | Llorean | mcphail: Remember again, you're using unreleased software. The focus is on FINISHING the software, not on patching up a temporarily more comfortable version. |
| 00:37:07 | safetydan | preglow, that sim tone controls patch looks fine to me. But then again, I've only read it, not tested it :) |
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| 00:37:18 | * | safetydan wonders about moving the sim code to the target tree |
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| 00:37:27 | preglow | safetydan: i've tested it on a fair amount of targets, and it seems to at least not crash any |
| 00:37:30 | mcphail | Llorean: patches are easily undone if a better solution is available |
| 00:38:05 | preglow | amiconn: retailos seems to use an acceleration scheme. the longer you keep scrolling at the same speed, the faster it does |
| 00:38:10 | Llorean | mcphail: Not always, and also if the behaviour is 'better' but not implemented the right way, the incentive for someone to do so decreases drastically |
| 00:38:20 | Llorean | mcphail: What exactly is the _advantage_ of doing things the wrong way? |
| 00:38:23 | preglow | amiconn: when you're over a certain speed threshold |
| 00:38:29 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: I agree with you about Slasheri's first patches - I didn't like the feel of them either. |
| 00:38:47 | linuxstb_ | preglow: And I can scroll from the start to the end of a 1000 file list in about 3 seconds. |
| 00:38:53 | preglow | i can scroll a thousand entries in 3-4 seconds |
| 00:38:59 | preglow | no blur |
| 00:39:00 | linuxstb_ | :) |
| 00:39:01 | preglow | i always see where i am |
| 00:39:14 | amiconn | preglow: The of definitely skips entries |
| 00:39:15 | mcphail | Llorean: it allows solutions to evolve |
| 00:39:18 | amiconn | *Then |
| 00:39:23 | preglow | amiconn: indeed, but like i said, i want that |
| 00:39:36 | Llorean | mcphail: That statement doesn't make sense. |
| 00:39:56 | Llorean | mcphail: A hacked bad solution essentially endcaps it so that less people are likely to work on it, because it's 'good enough' for them. |
| 00:40:10 | Llorean | mcphail: Patches can continue to be worked on without committing just fine. |
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| 00:40:55 | amiconn | Llorean: Or even worse, the original author might stop working on it before it's really finished, and no one else understands it enough to continue the work efficiently |
| 00:41:03 | preglow | amiconn: using retailos, i can find any entry in about ten seconds, and this is the first couple of times i'm trying as well, so i'm not very skilled with it and overshoot a lot |
| 00:41:04 | amiconn | Happened more than once... |
| 00:41:15 | Llorean | amiconn: And then you have to write a whole new system to replace it, yes. Ugh. |
| 00:41:24 | linuxstb_ | I would like the acceleration to depend on both the size of the list, as well as the speed you're scrolling. |
| 00:41:42 | Llorean | linuxstb_: Somewhat similar to the fast-forward? |
| 00:41:47 | linuxstb_ | i.e. no point jumping to paged mode if the list only has 20 items... |
| 00:41:50 | linuxstb_ | Llorean: Exactly. |
| 00:41:52 | mcphail | We're talking about code that is archived in svn... It doesn't take a genius to roll back |
| 00:42:19 | mcphail | linuxstb_: the retailos version doesn't page at all |
| 00:42:29 | Llorean | mcphail: That doesn't mean Rockbox shouldn't page. |
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| 00:42:41 | amiconn | mcphail: It has to skip entries one way or the other |
| 00:42:48 | linuxstb_ | mcphail: By "page" I mean jumping a large number of items at a time. |
| 00:42:49 | mcphail | Llorean: no, but it is an excellent and durable model to follow |
| 00:43:06 | mcphail | linuxstb_: it doesn't jump at all. It just scrols faster |
| 00:43:08 | Llorean | mcphail: And clearly files can evolve enough that rolling back to the original version could lose other valuable changes, or result in a file unusable in the current state of the code. It can, and likely will, take work to remove a change that isn't *needed* anyway. |
| 00:43:17 | linuxstb_ | mcphail: No it doesn't, it pages. |
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| 00:43:24 | amiconn | If you can scroll a 5000 entries list in 3 seconds, that'd otherwise mean ~1600 lcd refreshes/second, which is plain impossible |
| 00:43:27 | mcphail | linuxstb_: my 3g doesn't |
| 00:43:27 | Ranbee | hi, i want to try a video with rockbox, im going to re-encode it now to *.mpg. what size should i make it for my ipod video? |
| 00:43:40 | preglow | amiconn: of course, but i've never said it doesn't skip anything |
| 00:43:44 | preglow | i _want_ it to skip things |
| 00:44:00 | amiconn | preglow: I was referring to mcphail |
| 00:44:03 | linuxstb_ | Ranbee: 320x240 and probably no more than 10-15fps. |
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| 00:44:12 | preglow | ah, ok |
| 00:44:44 | linuxstb_ | mcphail: As amiconn says, the number of LCD refreshes required to scroll a long list in a couple of seconds is physically imposssible. |
| 00:44:57 | Ranbee | thanks, linuxstb_ . i looked at the PluginMpegplayer page and i didn't see a installation guide, so does that mean it's already installed? |
| 00:45:17 | linuxstb_ | Ranbee: Yes, all plugins/viewers listed in the wiki come pre-installed. |
| 00:45:20 | mcphail | linuxstb_: i couldn't scroll 5000 items in 3 seconds on my ipod |
| 00:45:22 | Llorean | Ranbee: Official plugins never need installed. |
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| 00:45:52 | Ranbee | thanks linuxstb_ and Llorean :) i love rockbox so far |
| 00:46:16 | linuxstb_ | mcphail: I can scroll a 1000 items in 3 seconds on my ipod Color. With 7 items on a page, that makes 142 frames per second. |
| 00:46:16 | JdGordon | stupid 3 hour prac only taking 90min :'( |
| 00:46:36 | linuxstb_ | Sorry, that's makes 999 frames per second if you want smooth scrolling... |
| 00:46:47 | linuxstb_ | I mean 333... |
| 00:46:55 | * | linuxstb_ can't count this late at night |
| 00:47:06 | * | amiconn wonders what linuxstb_ is calculating ;) |
| 00:47:20 | * | linuxstb_ wonders that as well. |
| 00:47:35 | linuxstb_ | I'm just quoting random numbers. |
| 00:48:03 | linuxstb_ | But anyway, on my Color, it is definitely skipping large numbers of items without displaying them - which is how it should work. |
| 00:48:27 | * | mcphail is off to grab his ipod and a stopwatch... |
| 00:48:33 | JdGordon | without trying to get tor working, does anyone know how to get svn to cooperate with a http firewall? |
| 00:51:27 | preglow | linuxstb_: by the sound of the ticker, it definitely sounds like retailos uses discrete step sizes |
| 00:52:08 | preglow | then again, the ticker might not be coupled too closely to the actual scrolling |
| 00:53:19 | JdGordon | preglow: how do you feel about adding a setting like the start screen setting but for when the alaram triggers the boot? |
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| 00:53:56 | preglow | JdGordon: would be great, but can't the default action be inferred from the start screen? |
| 00:54:25 | preglow | but then again, what you want to do on wakeup might not be what you always want to do |
| 00:55:12 | JdGordon | I wouldnt want the alarm to start me in the file browser... |
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| 00:55:29 | JdGordon | although, my start screen is the wps... but thats besides the point |
| 00:55:35 | linuxstb_ | Only playback and FM would seem to be sensible options - until timed recordings are possible. |
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| 00:56:19 | preglow | JdGordon: i'd pretty much say let "resume playback" be the default unless you have something like "radio" or "recording" which clearly infers something else |
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| 00:56:48 | linuxstb_ | Is the alarm a one-off alarm, or will it repeat? |
| 00:56:55 | safetydan | JdGordon, I would have thought SVN would respect the http_proxy environment variable |
| 00:57:00 | preglow | linuxstb_: one-off |
| 00:57:38 | * | linuxstb_ has no target with both an FM radio and an RTC... |
| 00:58:06 | Llorean | That would be the RTC-modded H120s, right? |
| 00:58:26 | preglow | probably |
| 00:58:31 | linuxstb_ | H300, X5, probably the Archos FM recorder, |
| 00:58:40 | preglow | JdGordon: and btw, don't know if you got it, but recording screen as startup screen now doesn't work |
| 00:58:41 | linuxstb_ | Ondio FM? |
| 00:58:44 | preglow | JdGordon: possibly others too |
| 00:58:54 | pixelma | OndioFM has no RTC |
| 00:59:20 | JdGordon | preglow: that setting should have been removed, the start screen handles that now |
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| 00:59:35 | markun | JdGordon: did you get my PM? |
| 00:59:37 | preglow | JdGordon: that's what i'm talking about |
| 00:59:53 | linuxstb_ | Maybe an alarm startup setting only makes sense if there is the choice between FM and file playback. |
| 00:59:56 | pixelma | and I believe while the FM Recorder has an RTC it needs a mod for alarm but I don't _know_ |
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| 01:00:03 | preglow | JdGordon: when i set recording screen as start screen, nothing happens and the setting is forgotten when i start up |
| 01:00:10 | linuxstb_ | So on ipods for example, just always make the alarm resume playback. |
| 01:00:17 | JdGordon | markun: I did, not identified so dont know if i can reply |
| 01:00:19 | JdGordon | but thanks |
| 01:00:40 | JdGordon | preglow: ok, ill fix that |
| 01:01:04 | * | mcphail may have to admit defeat on the scrolling issue... |
| 01:01:20 | JdGordon | can anyone check their config.cfg file and let me know if any settings are repeated? |
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| 01:01:54 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I observed that once, will check which |
| 01:02:05 | preglow | JdGordon: disk spindown |
| 01:02:19 | JdGordon | ok, we might have a bug then :p |
| 01:02:48 | JdGordon | haha, no... just an extra line in the settings_list.c file |
| 01:03:37 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: Don't know if you saw but I lost voice settings that survived several reboots intact after a rolo. Will double check this though. |
| 01:04:14 | markun | JdGordon: and can you fix the buttons in the playlist viewer? |
| 01:04:33 | JdGordon | yup |
| 01:05:25 | markun | JdGordon: thanks, sorry for giving you all this work :) |
| 01:06:21 | JdGordon | thats ok.. I can pass uni next semester :p |
| 01:06:51 | scorche | JdGordon: you have a patch in your mail |
| 01:06:59 | JdGordon | ta |
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| 01:07:57 | JdGordon | I'll do that one in the arvo, want to fix these other ones before I forget |
| 01:08:11 | scorche | arvo? |
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| 01:09:12 | JdGordon | afternoon... a few hour |
| 01:09:12 | JdGordon | s |
| 01:09:32 | scorche | alright...aussie slang i assume? |
| 01:10:13 | JdGordon | HAVE_RTC_ALARM right? |
| 01:10:18 | preglow | aye |
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| 01:17:42 | preglow | amiconn: can you see something immediately stupid in the patch i posted? |
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| 01:18:26 | JdGordon | preglow: I want to add some #defines so I dont need to keep checking for TUNER and RECORDING for the alarm, wold they be OK in alarm_menu.h? |
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| 01:19:30 | preglow | JdGordon: *shrug*, i just hacked alarm support onto ipod, am not any kind of authority |
| 01:19:44 | JdGordon | can we always record from the radio if both are present? |
| 01:19:51 | preglow | doubt it |
| 01:20:03 | preglow | it's not an assumption which should be in apps/ code anyway |
| 01:20:13 | JdGordon | BUGGER! |
| 01:21:17 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: HAVE_FMRADIO_IN means we can record from the radio right? |
| 01:21:27 | JdGordon | it wont be defined for some other reason? |
| 01:22:51 | * | linuxstb_ spots some IPL kernel activity - support for the 80GB |
| 01:23:24 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: ummm...yes |
| 01:23:37 | jhMikeS | though AUDIO_SRC_FMRADIO can exist either way |
| 01:24:14 | jhMikeS | If it is defined for another reason, it's a bug |
| 01:26:47 | JdGordon | oh fark.. I got confused, im doing this all wrong :'( |
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| 01:29:29 | |Rincewind| | jdGordon: do you think that my record button config patch has a chance to get commited and would you mind looking at it if there is something I can do to help get it commited? It is #5555 in Flyspray |
| 01:30:00 | preglow | damn, that number alone is alone to merit a commit! |
| 01:30:09 | |Rincewind| | I think my code should be ready for inclusion now |
| 01:30:28 | JdGordon | i think we are fairly against customizable buttons, but I like the idea |
| 01:30:37 | JdGordon | wont be able to look at it for a while tho |
| 01:30:55 | preglow | i've heard plenty of people say they don't want customisable buttons, yes, but that doesn't change the fact that the record button is still unused |
| 01:31:11 | JdGordon | very true |
| 01:31:13 | |Rincewind| | it gives the user only a few choices, so I don't see why it is "problem to support" in this case |
| 01:31:50 | * | jhMikeS needs to know if he's overlooking any other coldfire IRQs: DMA, timer, tick, sometimes PMU ... anything else? |
| 01:33:59 | |Rincewind| | we have a customizable wps, lots of options that change the way how rockbox works substantially, so one slightly customizable button shouldn't be such a big deal |
| 01:34:35 | JdGordon | preglow: is it possible to test the alarm behavious in the sim? or can you try out a patch? |
| 01:34:44 | preglow | JdGordon: can try a patch, sure |
| 01:35:01 | JdGordon | ok, ta |
| 01:35:42 | JdGordon | which targets actually have the alarm without a mod? |
| 01:36:04 | |Rincewind| | preglow: If you want to test my patch, it now has "insert" in file browser |
| 01:36:04 | preglow | all ipods and one of the recorders |
| 01:36:08 | jhMikeS | ...and DISABLE_IRQ_LEVEL just doesn't right nicely |
| 01:36:14 | jhMikeS | s/right/ring/ |
| 01:36:18 | preglow | jhMikeS: none i can think of |
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| 01:36:35 | preglow | JdGordon: why does it matter? |
| 01:36:53 | JdGordon | because i wanted to know which target to do a test compile on |
| 01:37:01 | * | jhMikeS is doing the IRQ shuffle so DMA can be synced with cause level 7 can't be disabled |
| 01:38:35 | preglow | JdGordon: just grep for HAVE_RTC_ALARM in firmware/export/config-*.h |
| 01:40:12 | linuxstb_ | My two cents about customisable buttons is that yes, in general they're bad, but I can't see any harm in making one or maybe two buttons customisable on targets with lots of buttons. As long as they don't affect the core navigation. |
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| 01:41:41 | |Rincewind| | my patch doesn't affect core navigation at all |
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| 01:45:04 | JdGordon | preglow: jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/alarm.patch">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/alarm.patch |
| 01:45:57 | JdGordon | woops... ok, take it again if you already got it |
| 01:46:33 | preglow | okies |
| 01:48:57 | preglow | gotta be one of the noisiest patches i've ever tried, are you sure the fanciness you do around settings.h line 703 is ok? |
| 01:49:14 | preglow | i thought you couldn't do #ifdef LOLLERSKATES && something else here |
| 01:49:32 | JdGordon | your right... bah |
| 01:49:40 | JdGordon | settings.h is the only one right? |
| 01:49:47 | preglow | yea |
| 01:50:28 | JdGordon | my logic for all the messy #ifs is that if the rec or fm isnt present there is no need for the setting.. sound ok? |
| 01:50:40 | preglow | yeah |
| 01:52:06 | Nico_P | safetydan: i've been trying to continue work on the wps tokenizer... did you ever attempt to integrate it into the existing wps code ? because i tried that and had some trouble |
| 01:53:34 | JdGordon | arking hell... I can get the ultimate edition of office 2k7 for $75 instead of $1,150! anyone want me to get them a copy? |
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| 01:55:02 | jhMikeS | ...SUPREME_IRQ_LEVEL ?? :P |
| 01:55:43 | jhMikeS | LALALA_IRQ_LEVEL |
| 01:59:35 | JdGordon | preglow: that patch work ok? |
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| 02:03:40 | preglow | JdGordon: waiting for wakeup |
| 02:03:49 | ampleyfly | JdGordon: halv that price, divide it by 10 then subtract the rest, and you've got what it costs to get |
| 02:04:08 | ampleyfly | halve* |
| 02:04:18 | JdGordon | I know :D |
| 02:04:32 | ampleyfly | =) |
| 02:06:38 | preglow | JdGordon: woke up fine |
| 02:06:40 | preglow | started playing |
| 02:06:41 | jhMikeS | preglow: WAKE UP! |
| 02:06:43 | safetydan | Nico_P, no I never tried to integrate it. |
| 02:06:51 | JdGordon | great :) |
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| 02:07:16 | preglow | JdGordon: didn't try recording, tho |
| 02:07:32 | Nico_P | wow safetydan seemed in a hurry to leave... |
| 02:07:54 | JdGordon | preglow: as long as the setting is there... it should work |
| 02:08:03 | preglow | JdGordon: but get rid of that noisy-ass compile problem, though |
| 02:08:04 | ampleyfly | oh god, I though I was in #ada, then i looked up and saw #ifdef LOLLERSKATES && and all was well |
| 02:08:07 | JdGordon | nicp: you brought up a touchy subject :D |
| 02:08:10 | preglow | i got a warning for every settings.h include |
| 02:08:24 | JdGordon | which was? |
| 02:08:50 | l2eM1x | love the new menu guys |
| 02:11:08 | JdGordon | markun: I want to backout the MENU > previous screen commit from yesterday.. its causing those bugs you meniotned :'( |
| 02:12:04 | JdGordon | preglow: i get no warnings here... was the the naughty #ifdef? |
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| 02:14:04 | preglow | JdGordon: indeed |
| 02:14:37 | JdGordon | ok, so then fixed... |
| 02:14:41 | * | JdGordon goes to commit |
| 02:16:16 | |Rincewind| | if you want to have recording start automatically on wake up alarm, you could use code from my patch |
| 02:16:38 | |Rincewind| | that part is only 4-5 lines |
| 02:17:36 | JdGordon | if (global_settings.alarm_wake_up_screen == ALARM_START_REC) ret_val = GO_tO__RECORDING |
| 02:17:40 | JdGordon | 2 lines :D |
| 02:17:56 | JdGordon | excpet, it doesnt have th typos in the code.. |
| 02:18:25 | |Rincewind| | I have a look when I see your commit if you mean the same thing as me |
| 02:20:04 | JdGordon | probably |
| 02:20:46 | |Rincewind| | what I mean is, it wakes up, goes to recording screen and automatically starts a recording |
| 02:21:19 | JdGordon | ah, mine doesnt do that yet... |
| 02:21:42 | |Rincewind| | If you wait a few minutes I make a small patch |
| 02:21:51 | JdGordon | ok |
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| 02:23:52 | JdGordon | put it on FS and ill hcekc later.. im startving... yunch time |
| 02:24:13 | scorche | i thought you got a new keyboard |
| 02:24:33 | JdGordon | im at uni.. this kb is horrible |
| 02:26:35 | ampleyfly | what keyboard did you get? |
| 02:26:56 | JdGordon | ibm thinkpad r40 (laptop) |
| 02:27:01 | JdGordon | hurry up you sdtupd build table |
| 02:27:21 | JdGordon | green.. awesome.. cya |
| 02:27:42 | ampleyfly | oh. |
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| 02:28:46 | |Rincewind| | damn, too late. I just finished it :( |
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| 02:33:24 | bombi | ping |
| 02:33:51 | bombi | hi anybody here? |
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| 02:34:35 | bombi | reconnect |
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| 02:37:10 | |Rincewind| | jdGordon: You can find the Patch at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6750 |
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| 02:38:31 | bombi | hi |
| 02:39:01 | bombi | good day anybody in here? |
| 02:39:34 | |Rincewind| | if you have a question, just ask |
| 02:39:54 | bombi | hi |
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| 02:51:28 | Plouj | is there a tool that checks rockbox code for problems automatically? |
| 02:51:37 | preglow | eh |
| 02:51:41 | preglow | any tool that does so for c code should work |
| 02:51:48 | Plouj | or am I thinking of some other project |
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| 02:52:43 | JdGordon | the library with the comics is closed :'( so your stuck with me |
| 02:53:00 | |Rincewind| | JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6750 |
| 02:54:46 | JdGordon | |Rincewind|: that patch works correctly? |
| 02:55:27 | |Rincewind| | I don't know if it works directly after startup, but it does work in my patch |
| 02:55:48 | |Rincewind| | I don't have RTC to test it |
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| 02:56:10 | JdGordon | it looks like it should :p |
| 02:56:45 | JdGordon | are you in tthe credits file? |
| 02:56:45 | |Rincewind| | not yet |
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| 02:57:39 | JdGordon | k |
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| 02:59:09 | |Rincewind| | maybe you can commit little parts of my patch one at a time and at one time we have record button config without amiconn realizing it until it is too late ^^ |
| 02:59:52 | hachi | one letter commits, buried inside false diff data |
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| 03:00:02 | JdGordon | haha |
| 03:00:16 | hachi | oooh, mark the source files as 'binary' before committing, then it will just omit the diff output |
| 03:00:32 | hachi | then just change the content type when done |
| 03:00:39 | JdGordon | or not :p |
| 03:01:01 | hachi | if you ever need bad ideas, I'm your guy |
| 03:01:23 | Llorean | I still don't see why we don't just pick a good, static use for the record button and be done with it. |
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| 03:01:52 | JdGordon | because we cant agree on one? |
| 03:02:01 | |Rincewind| | Llorean: because nobody can agree what is a good static use |
| 03:02:06 | preglow | we can't agree on lots of things |
| 03:02:08 | JdGordon | why only have 180 settings when we can have 300! |
| 03:02:18 | preglow | someone just needs to commit a button map for it and be done :> |
| 03:02:24 | Llorean | |Rincewind|: Just because there's not a global consensus doesn't mean we can't pick one. |
| 03:02:28 | bombi | can i play videofiles with rockbox on an ipdo video 30 gig ? |
| 03:02:37 | Llorean | Long Record, obviously, should be the recording 'shortcut' |
| 03:02:53 | Llorean | bombi: Only MPEG1/2 files, see the PluginMpegplayer page in the wiki. |
| 03:02:57 | |Rincewind| | Llorean: sure, but I would really like to have it this year |
| 03:03:02 | bombi | thx ! |
| 03:03:19 | Llorean | The main question is just 'what should short record do on various screens?' |
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| 03:03:27 | JdGordon | something different in each |
| 03:03:31 | preglow | queue would be nice in the files/database screen |
| 03:03:31 | Llorean | And I think 'View Playlist' is pretty agreeable from the WPS |
| 03:03:33 | preglow | :-) |
| 03:03:56 | Llorean | And Queue or Insert is pretty agreeable for the filetree, the question pretty much seems to boil down to permanent or temporary addition to the playlist. |
| 03:04:04 | |Rincewind| | my patch does all that, what you suggest (and a little bit more) |
| 03:04:05 | preglow | i'd say temp |
| 03:04:12 | Llorean | I'm actually for "Queue" with "Right" becoming insert, instead of "Right" duplicating "Select" |
| 03:04:21 | Llorean | Queue for "Record" |
| 03:04:31 | Llorean | |Rincewind|: The problem is that yours add the configurability, doesn't it? |
| 03:04:51 | |Rincewind| | I'm all for insert, I never ever used queue |
| 03:04:52 | JdGordon | thats a _problem_? |
| 03:05:02 | preglow | well, yes |
| 03:05:09 | Llorean | JdGordon: In general, we don't like configurable buttons. You know this. |
| 03:05:26 | JdGordon | i know |
| 03:05:36 | bombi | sorry to ask again - does rockbox support some of the ipod toys like the FM transmitter etc ? |
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| 03:05:45 | |Rincewind| | we have a configurable startup screen and nobody has something against that. Very strange opinions |
| 03:05:51 | Llorean | bombi: Accessory support is very limited. |
| 03:06:04 | Llorean | |Rincewind|: Other than the word 'configurable' how do those relate at all? |
| 03:06:08 | ryanpg | yay! how exciting! the iaudio M5 is getting support! thanks! |
| 03:06:09 | ryanpg | :) |
| 03:06:30 | preglow | buttons are a bit more basic, aren't they |
| 03:06:34 | preglow | people don't expect them to be configurable |
| 03:06:40 | |Rincewind| | they both make a part of the UI configurable |
| 03:07:08 | preglow | i really don't mind "surplus" buttons being configurable, though, i think |
| 03:07:09 | Llorean | |Rincewind|: The option to record or play music on startup has been around for a long, long time. The configurable start screen basically just consolidated those two options and cleaned it up. |
| 03:07:12 | |Rincewind| | almost every linux or windows program has configurable keybord shortcuts |
| 03:07:14 | preglow | i just don't want all the buttons to be |
| 03:07:16 | pixelma | |Rincewind|: but you can tell the user easily how to change back (if you can name the buttons they have to use) |
| 03:07:20 | Llorean | I don't think "Record" is a surplus button. |
| 03:07:41 | preglow | nah, probably isn't |
| 03:07:49 | Llorean | Maybe the 'A' button on the Gigabeat. |
| 03:07:50 | hachi | isn't it all configurable anyways? since the sourcecode is available, and I'm betting you guys use constants all over the place |
| 03:07:53 | preglow | it does have a rather specific meaning |
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| 03:08:38 | preglow | but then again, you'd never expect the record button to queue a track |
| 03:08:53 | |Rincewind| | pixelma: my patch doesn't change any existing buttons. It is only meant for buttons (or button combos) that are not used |
| 03:09:00 | preglow | and the fact that we're considering to make it do that makes it kind of surplus in my mind |
| 03:09:00 | JdGordon | hachi: yes, with the source it wont take long to redo the whole button config |
| 03:09:13 | Llorean | Honestly, I wouldn't mind giving the user the choice between "Insert" and "Queue" since in the end, those are almost identical behaviour. |
| 03:09:32 | XavierGr | jgordon: does your commit enable the rtc wake up features on H300 too? |
| 03:09:36 | preglow | XavierGr: no |
| 03:09:41 | XavierGr | ah |
| 03:09:43 | Llorean | But I don't think the button should be able to change to other functionalities. |
| 03:09:45 | XavierGr | thought so |
| 03:09:51 | preglow | XavierGr: bootloader needs fixing and the pcf drivers need to be merged before that happens |
| 03:09:59 | preglow | XavierGr: you'll surely notice that from the svn log |
| 03:10:22 | XavierGr | I knew about the pcf drivers but not about the bootloader |
| 03:10:44 | preglow | XavierGr: if the alarm were to work right now, the bootloader would switch itself off when it triggered, since it doesn't check for alarm currently |
| 03:10:46 | XavierGr | I thought Linus have made the rtc changes on bootloader and only the pcf driver was nedded |
| 03:10:54 | preglow | XavierGr: might be, if so i haven't noticed |
| 03:11:18 | XavierGr | well I can't test it anyway, so I will have to wait for the pcf driver |
| 03:11:26 | preglow | should be pretty easy |
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| 03:12:07 | XavierGr | jdgordon: there are still quite some quircks with "menu button to previous screen" |
| 03:12:21 | XavierGr | some entries seem not to follow that behaviour |
| 03:12:30 | bombi | Do you know if the ipot FM Transmitter is supported? |
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| 03:12:47 | XavierGr | e.g the Playlist menu entry |
| 03:13:16 | XavierGr | gah he left |
| 03:13:29 | XavierGr | and I just reproduced a bug that is related to it that crashed my H300 |
| 03:13:32 | ryanpg | has anyone here tried the M5 rockbox port? as it's almost the same as the X5 I'm hoping it would be safe to test it... |
| 03:13:53 | ryanpg | someone here told me the X5 is the best current production platform for rockbox |
| 03:14:12 | XavierGr | JdGordon: (if you see the logs) try the following: with an uninitialized database, move into the database menu then push 2 times the Main menu button |
| 03:14:20 | Llorean | ryanpg: The M5 port should work fine at this point. |
| 03:14:34 | XavierGr | jdgordon: it should show the "database is not ready" splash box and the player will hang |
| 03:15:07 | ryanpg | Llorean, thanks... that means it's not likely that I'll loose my entire music collection, right? |
| 03:15:46 | Llorean | ryanpg: As far as I'm aware, there's never been a case of an official build of Rockbox destroying a music collection. |
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| 03:16:26 | ryanpg | Llorean, awesome, well time to grab my M5 and start the fun then :) |
| 03:16:29 | JdGordon | XavierGr: yeah, Im thinking about reverting the commit... something isnt wrking properly |
| 03:17:45 | ryanpg | Llorean, I was going to try the nightly build |
| 03:17:52 | Llorean | ryanpg: Why not the 'current' build? |
| 03:18:27 | ryanpg | Llorean, dunno, if you're suggesting that then ok |
| 03:18:36 | * | ryanpg tends to like the bleeding edge |
| 03:19:06 | JdGordon | current build is more bleeding edge than the nightlies |
| 03:19:29 | Llorean | ryanpg: The 'current' build is the bleeding edge. That's why it's 'current' as opposed to 'as much as 23.9999 hours of of date' as the daily might be. |
| 03:19:51 | ryanpg | Llorean, k, downloaded and copying over now |
| 03:20:02 | ryanpg | Llorean, thanks for the hand-holding btw :P |
| 03:20:11 | ryanpg | I'm pretty psyched :D |
| 03:20:37 | Llorean | Rockbox should work quite well for you. |
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| 03:21:00 | Llorean | As a vaguely related note though, portable HD based players aren't that reliable for storage in the long term and it's never really a good idea not to have a backup of your music somewhere else. |
| 03:21:07 | ryanpg | Llorean, yeah I played with it on an iPod, but I reverted back, I think it'll really enhance the MF though |
| 03:21:27 | ryanpg | Llorean, good point about the backup, too bad I don't have a DVD burner, I've got quite a large collection of course |
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| 03:22:32 | |Rincewind| | ryanpg: If your music collection is only on your portable, then I would suggest to get a larger HDD as soon as possible |
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| 03:24:19 | ryanpg | |Rincewind|, wise advice... I do have one thing going for me, most of my music is from emusic and I can always re-download |
| 03:24:43 | ryanpg | k, in my nerdy geeked out excitement I just forgot to unmount the m5 before unplugging it |
| 03:25:21 | * | |Rincewind| won't distract ryanpg again |
| 03:25:34 | |Rincewind| | good night all! |
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| 03:26:22 | ryanpg | heh, I'll brick this thing yet |
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| 03:28:27 | ryanpg | kickass... works |
| 03:28:32 | ryanpg | time to explore |
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| 03:31:42 | tkloppel | hey, anyone here usin rockbox on a gigabeat f20? |
| 03:32:12 | Llorean | tkloppel: Did you have a specific question? |
| 03:32:57 | tkloppel | Llorean, yeah... Im wondering what the requirements are for video files. I know it's still very unsupported... |
| 03:33:17 | Soap | X5 can't be the best port until it Dual Boots, or supports everything the original firmware did, like USBOTG |
| 03:33:40 | Llorean | tkloppel: See the PluginMpegplayer page in the wiki. |
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| 03:34:09 | Llorean | Soap: Well, I think it was with the qualification of 'on still produced / available new hardware' |
| 03:34:20 | Llorean | Though that's iffy with the Gigabeat around, depending on what the user needs from the hardware. |
| 03:34:20 | pixelma | Soap: but the USBotg-support is not an M5 issue... |
| 03:34:31 | Soap | pixelma: touche |
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| 03:34:44 | tkloppel | Llorean, thanks. |
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| 03:39:32 | ryanpg | this is really great, love the games |
| 03:39:41 | ryanpg | I don't see any M5 specific themes though |
| 03:40:15 | ryanpg | would it be safe to try an X5 theme? the M5 has monocrome display where the X5 is color |
| 03:40:32 | pixelma | ryanpg: since the display has the same resolution as the H100/ 4G greyscale Ipod you can use those |
| 03:40:53 | ryanpg | pixelma, H100/4G Ipod, cool will browse those |
| 03:40:55 | pixelma | X5 themes _should_ work too |
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| 03:41:47 | Llorean | But because of the color choices, how readable they are will depend on which shades end up which grays. |
| 03:46:31 | ryanpg | kk |
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| 03:50:26 | ryanpg | searching the docs for gapless playback |
| 03:50:57 | Soap | it isn't an option. |
| 03:51:17 | Soap | If you have ripped and encoded properly it will work. |
| 03:51:38 | Soap | there is a wiki page which discusses ripping and encoding properly, if I recall correctly, one sec. |
| 03:52:29 | pixelma | markun just added it today |
| 03:52:34 | pixelma | *edited |
| 03:54:16 | Soap | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GaplessHowTo |
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| 03:56:35 | ryanpg | bummer |
| 03:57:00 | ryanpg | too bad, it's the one feature the rio karma has over rb |
| 03:57:06 | Soap | ? |
| 03:57:16 | Soap | what feature? |
| 03:58:19 | scorche | you dont need the nogap for gapless....only for archos is that needed |
| 03:58:40 | ryanpg | gapless playback of any format |
| 03:58:51 | scorche | rockbox has that.. |
| 03:59:12 | Soap | if the karma could make anything "gapless" it was faking it. |
| 03:59:24 | Soap | you can fake it too with rockbox if that is what you want. |
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| 03:59:33 | Soap | just do a short crossfade. |
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| 04:00:30 | Soap | But, (oh. my. god. I'm like of of /them/. Posting one thought per line. I will stop) But Rockbox will play gapless any audio codec which can be played back gapless without faking it. |
| 04:00:31 | ryanpg | haven't gotten to crossfade yet in the manual |
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| 04:00:52 | Pavel_ | can somebody help me put linux on my ipod |
| 04:01:21 | Llorean | ryanpg: Rockbox plays true gapless. That means it plays exactly how much gap is in the file, under the assumption that you've properly encoded your files and thus any gaps are intentional. |
| 04:01:30 | Llorean | ryanpg: Playing all files without gaps, even when they're supposed to have them, would be silly. |
| 04:01:42 | Llorean | Pavel_: This is the wrong channel for that. |
| 04:01:59 | ryanpg | Llorean, yes I understand... I'm sure a lot of debate is generated by the topic |
| 04:02:02 | Pavel_ | what channel do i go to? |
| 04:02:11 | Soap | #ipodlinux |
| 04:02:26 | Pavel_ | whats the difference between ipod linux and rockbox firmware |
| 04:02:27 | Soap | ryanpg: If you want to remove intentional gaps, crossfade is what you want. |
| 04:02:50 | Llorean | ryanpg: Not really. I've not yet met someone who thinks it's a good idea to artificially remove gaps that are supposed to be there. |
| 04:02:55 | Soap | Pavel_: IPL is linux. Rockbox is a music player. |
| 04:03:02 | ryanpg | Soap, ok I'll dig through settings with an eye for "crossfade" |
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| 04:03:24 | Pavel_ | what?? i thought you put rockbox on your ipod |
| 04:03:27 | Pavel_ | :S |
| 04:03:35 | Llorean | Pavel_: You do put Rockbox on your iPod. |
| 04:03:44 | Pavel_ | so what does it do? |
| 04:03:53 | Llorean | Pavel_: But Rockbox is not linux, is not based on linux, and is completely different from iPod Linux. |
| 04:04:02 | Llorean | Pavel_: Rockbox is a music playing firmware. |
| 04:04:22 | Llorean | It plays music, and incorporates a very large range of options relating to music playback functionality and format support. |
| 04:04:36 | Pavel_ | can u have both |
| 04:04:46 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 04:04:56 | Pavel_ | cool thx |
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| 04:07:18 | ryanpg | bummer... rb doesn't fix the annoying bug where umounting on linux doesn't return the M5 to play mode |
| 04:07:59 | Soap | what happens to your M5 when you unmount? |
| 04:08:08 | Soap | (with Rockbox) |
| 04:08:57 | ryanpg | nothing... the big USB icon remains on the screen |
| 04:09:06 | ryanpg | until I yank the usb cable, then it shuts off |
| 04:09:19 | Llorean | That's probably the USB hardware itself then. |
| 04:09:20 | ryanpg | (I check to be sure it's not mounted before the "yank" part) |
| 04:09:34 | pixelma | ryanpg: which USB port are you connecting it to? |
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| 04:10:46 | ryanpg | pixelma, err... well there's only one on the M5, and I'm connecting to one of two on the laptop |
| 04:11:02 | ryanpg | pixelma, do you want some specific kind of information? |
| 04:11:24 | pixelma | no... you would have the possibility to connect via the subpack too (if you have one) |
| 04:11:26 | ryanpg | lsusb can provide some details |
| 04:11:37 | ryanpg | ahh... forgot the M5 takes a subpack |
| 04:12:09 | * | ryanpg actually tried to reverse engineer a subpack |
| 04:12:19 | pixelma | I just try to get some information for someone who could look into it (someone with a clue ;) ) |
| 04:12:38 | ryanpg | heh, well I guess that's not going to be me then |
| 04:12:50 | pixelma | it's a fairly new port and these specific things aren't known yet, I think |
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| 04:13:11 | Llorean | I thought most of the players were pretty much dependent on the USB hardware itself to say it was done. |
| 04:13:18 | ryanpg | well, it occurred even with the official iaudio firmware |
| 04:13:19 | zorroviejo | hi people |
| 04:13:24 | bombi | what mp3 player whould you guys recommend? is the apple ipod video 30 gig a good choice? |
| 04:14:04 | zorroviejo | i play any mp3 files en rockbox but soy no codec in screen |
| 04:14:14 | zorroviejo | say |
| 04:14:15 | Llorean | bombi: The Rockbox port on iPod isn't the best. There's still a lot of things that don't work well (poor performance and poor battery life) because of unknown hardware. |
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| 04:14:36 | zorroviejo | i have ipod video 30gb |
| 04:14:48 | Llorean | zorroviejo: Has it ever worked? |
| 04:14:49 | pixelma | Llorean: just thought that there might be a workaround later if that's a general problem - but not that there will be |
| 04:15:52 | Llorean | pixelma: I'm pretty sure that Rockbox has to just wait for the USB->ATA bridge to stop being busy. But I don't really know. |
| 04:16:26 | bombi | thx llorean! what machine do you have? |
| 04:16:59 | Llorean | bombi: Archos Jukebox Recorder, iHP-120, iPod Nano, Toshiba Gigabeat, iFP-799 and Sandisk Sansa e200. :) |
| 04:17:06 | Llorean | The last one doesn't play music yet, though |
| 04:17:08 | bombi | :) |
| 04:17:17 | bombi | hehe |
| 04:18:01 | bombi | argh - i'm backpacking since 2 years and have now enough money to buy an mp3 player, but i left my geeklife behind and so I'm not realy up to date with all the tec stuff |
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| 04:18:16 | ryanpg | sheesh, with rb out there, I can't even imagine why hardware manufacturers even bother with writing OSs |
| 04:18:58 | ryanpg | I mean, seems like they could 1) fund development 2) hire developers 3) release open spec devices and let the community give them an OS |
| 04:19:32 | Llorean | bombi: If you just want decent battery life, good storage, and audio playback, look at the Gigabeat F series. |
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| 04:19:38 | bombi | so do you say that RB effects the batterylife of certain players? |
| 04:19:38 | bombi | e.g. ipod? |
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| 04:20:13 | Llorean | bombi: On well supported players, it extends battery life by doing things more efficiently. On the iPod we just don't have enough hardware knowledge, there's a high probability we've not properly initialized or suspended certain hardware. |
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| 04:20:32 | Llorean | bombi: Whatever it is, most iPods get 2/3 to 1/2 of the regular battery life while running Rockbox. |
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| 04:22:05 | bombi | well thats not realy what i want - gigabeat F series you say . all right thank you very much! |
| 04:22:35 | bombi | didnt consider gigabeat yet. didnt like it with running windows on it .... |
| 04:22:57 | Soap | Llorean: until I have my gigabeat in my hands - stop driving up the prices! |
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| 04:25:03 | Soap | Soon there will be proper runtime tests on Gigabeat! Stock vs Rockbox! In a televised Lithium Cage Match! |
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| 04:25:31 | Llorean | Hahaha |
| 04:25:48 | Llorean | We do need a proper discharge curve for Gigabeat. |
| 04:26:05 | Llorean | I can play mine for 3 hours and go from 100% to about 96%, but if I play it for 8 hours, it's down around 67%. |
| 04:26:09 | bombi | wanted to buy iAudo x5l but cant find it here in australia |
| 04:26:56 | Soap | What do you need to create a discharge curve? Lots of battery_bench.txts or something else? |
| 04:27:09 | Llorean | I don't really know. |
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| 04:27:43 | Llorean | I've never been _that_ interested in the battery. If it lasts long enough to get me through the day, it's 'good enough', and I don't really look at how much I have left most times. :) |
| 04:28:00 | Llorean | Though I do share the frustration of people who complain about their battery life, but refuse to compare it to the original firmware. |
| 04:29:30 | Soap | It is the first thing I plan on doing, since there is no proper dual-boot function. |
| 04:29:30 | pixelma | the battery_benches on the GigabeatRuntime page seem to be all made with different settings etc... |
| 04:30:07 | bombi | the gigabeat F series is quite old isnt it? |
| 04:30:08 | bombi | fair enough |
| 04:30:25 | Llorean | bombi: It's not that old. |
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| 04:30:48 | Llorean | pixelma: On almost any of the battery bench pages there is a wide variety in settings. |
| 04:30:59 | Soap | *cough* |
| 04:31:09 | Llorean | Soap: An effort is made, yes. |
| 04:31:40 | Llorean | Ideally one day someone will get even more fed up and put up a playlist and .cfg file to test with. :-P |
| 04:31:48 | bombi | trying to find out more about gigabeat f series. sitting on a very slow inet connection so takes me some time |
| 04:31:51 | pixelma | I just thought it would help especially for calibrating if there were a few that were made under nearly the same conditions |
| 04:32:34 | Soap | If those pesty developers stop mucking with the config version maybe someone would! ;) |
| 04:32:45 | Llorean | Hahaha |
| 04:32:50 | pixelma | :) |
| 04:33:18 | Llorean | Well, the default settings aren't all bad. The config could just be a single line turning repeat on. :-P |
| 04:33:27 | bombi | how comes that there is no RB 4 creative at all? |
| 04:33:39 | Llorean | bombi: Because nobody who owns one has done it. |
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| 04:34:02 | Llorean | bombi: Rockbox happens when someone or a group of someones who own the hardware, and is interested enough, does the work to port it. |
| 04:34:09 | pixelma | Llorean: I seldom use repeat... actually almost only for battery_benches! :P |
| 04:34:12 | Soap | (perhaps says something about Creative owners?) |
| 04:35:00 | bombi | true - maybe creative software is already good enough |
| 04:35:11 | Llorean | pixelma: Other than battery benches, I do have one long playlist that I playback shuffled since it's all singles anyway. |
| 04:35:35 | Llorean | bombi: No, there's definitely a group of them that things Rockbox is better. |
| 04:36:06 | Llorean | They just, so far, have done a lot of talking, and a decent amount of "I don't really want to open up _my_ player" and a little bit of "Well, I don't really know C, but I'll help however else I can" |
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| 04:36:39 | Llorean | Unfortunately they really need someone who knows C, and probably the appropriate assembly, to get started. |
| 04:37:55 | bombi | well that shouldnt be to hard. |
| 04:37:56 | bombi | argh - missing the times at home where i was able to do stuff like that. |
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| 04:43:05 | bombi_ | I wanted to say that the RB project is pritty cool ! |
| 04:44:33 | ryanpg | g'night all |
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| 04:53:44 | jhulst | To be fair for the ZVM port, there are a few us who know programming and are going to try and work on it |
| 04:56:49 | Llorean | jhulst: I just meant overall. People have been saying there 'should' be a ZVM port for quite some time now. |
| 04:57:20 | Llorean | jhulst: In the amount of time people have been saying there should be one, not much has gotten done yet. I didn't mean to speak unkindly of what could be done in the future though. |
| 04:57:28 | jhulst | Llorean: Understood, hopefully that will change |
| 04:57:37 | Llorean | I hope so. |
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| 05:19:15 | JdGordon | hey aliask |
| 05:19:33 | aliask | hey there jd |
| 05:19:49 | JdGordon | why havnt you been on irc?? I had 4 hours to kill... i was so bored :p |
| 05:20:09 | aliask | I did the first half of my driving test today, 57% pass :D |
| 05:20:45 | aliask | I bet you cant wait till they let me drive. |
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| 05:21:38 | JdGordon | haha |
| 05:21:46 | JdGordon | was the the persption or driving test? |
| 05:21:57 | aliask | hazard perception test |
| 05:22:03 | aliask | Shit test anyway. |
| 05:22:05 | JdGordon | ha, thats utter BS |
| 05:22:09 | JdGordon | whens the drive? |
| 05:22:26 | aliask | 1st of may, they're booked up quite a while at the moment cos of the changing laws |
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| 05:24:10 | ryanpg | hi again, just real quick before I run off to bed... where do I find crossfade settings? |
| 05:24:49 | JdGordon | under sound settings |
| 05:25:19 | ryanpg | JdGordon, k |
| 05:26:04 | ryanpg | i see crossfeed but not crossfade |
| 05:26:36 | ryanpg | nm, found it |
| 05:26:48 | JdGordon | oh.. you wanted fade.. ye in playback |
| 05:26:55 | ryanpg | General Settings -> Playback -> Crossfade |
| 05:27:08 | ryanpg | thanks, g'night again :) |
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| 05:32:05 | JdGordon | nice to see the deutsche post website is as bad as ausposts ' |
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| 05:37:57 | aliask | Hrm, an X60 just came up on ebay... tempting |
| 05:39:34 | JdGordon | still tihnking of getting rid of the S? |
| 05:40:54 | aliask | Yeah. I'd be more than happy to sell it to a developer for mates rates |
| 05:47:37 | aliask | However personally I think it might be a bit of a dead end. There are a LOT of obstacles. |
| 05:50:24 | JdGordon | no such thing as a dead end |
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| 06:06:01 | axion1 | aliask, so if the light goes red it means floor it? |
| 06:06:40 | aliask | and always turn into oncoming traffic. |
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| 06:13:09 | aleska | what do I do to get rockbox to recreate the root playlist root.m3u8, which includes all songs, now that I've changed the music that is loaded. Does it happen automatically? |
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| 06:15:46 | aliask | aleska: No, you'll have to create a new playlist and save it again. |
| 06:19:24 | aleska | aliask: thx |
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| 06:25:20 | axion1 | if I can figure out how the heck to save it |
| 06:25:35 | axion1 | on my x5 heh. I have to create it in winamp and copy it to the player |
| 06:26:29 | aliask | It's probably faster that way too |
| 06:26:47 | aliask | It's in playlist options though so you know for next time. |
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| 06:29:28 | axion1 | yeah it's easy. WHen im done creating the playlist in winamp I just change D:\mp3\ to \music\ using find and replace then resave |
| 06:29:32 | axion1 | after im done I copy to the player |
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| 06:30:00 | aliask | Yep, I did that too when I had rockbox. |
| 06:30:36 | aliask | There might actually be a way to get the database to make a playlist with all songs for you, but I never used the database then. |
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| 06:44:49 | JdGordon | you can make a playlist with every song on your dap easily |
| 06:45:35 | axion1 | it can creatre a root playlist but I can never access it. |
| 06:45:47 | JdGordon | why cant you access it? |
| 06:45:53 | * | JdGordon cant find the damn option :p |
| 06:46:29 | axion1 | unless it's in the files section. Only in there do I go to my playlist I created in winamp |
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| 07:46:23 | JdGordon | :'( I cant get this stupid menu to work properly |
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| 07:49:57 | Lear | What menu? |
| 07:50:16 | hcs | System -> Tools -> Stupid |
| 07:51:18 | JdGordon | the root one... i keeep getting stuck in a wps > STOP > wps loop |
| 07:53:30 | Lear | Yes, looks like GO_TO_PREVIOUS could be a problem... |
| 07:54:25 | JdGordon | yeah, but any changes to that causes the MENU button to not work correctly |
| 07:54:33 | JdGordon | i.e goto the previous screen from the root menu |
| 07:56:32 | Lear | Hm.. Easy to reproduce, yes. |
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| 08:02:52 | * | amiconn wonders why the alarm wakeup fix increases codse size on targets with no rtc |
| 08:03:21 | amiconn | JdGordon: Btw, making the menu entry for fm radio only depend on CONFIG_TUNER isn't enough |
| 08:03:42 | amiconn | This entry needs to be dynamic depending on whether the tuner is actually detected |
| 08:04:08 | amiconn | Otherwise you confuse *most* V2 recorder users and *all* X5V users |
| 08:04:09 | * | JdGordon wonders also |
| 08:04:36 | JdGordon | the entry in the alarm screen menu? |
| 08:05:22 | amiconn | yes |
| 08:05:35 | amiconn | Hmm, the size increase is just due to the .lang string |
| 08:06:10 | JdGordon | hmm... :'( the setting screen doesnt handle non−−const item numbers... |
| 08:07:52 | Lear | What about going to root if "GO_TO_PREVIOUS" would return to the same screen? Seems to fix the WPS loop at least, though it might break other stuff... |
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| 08:10:47 | JdGordon | amiconn: I'm not sure how to fix this... I agree its a farily big problem tho |
| 08:11:45 | JdGordon | yes I do... we'll just have to call do_setting() manually :( |
| 08:12:51 | Lear | Oh well, off to work... |
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| 08:23:59 | JdGordon | the radio really is a PITA sometimes :p |
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| 08:34:21 | jhMikeS | amiconn: does M5 use the same keymap as x5? |
| 08:34:28 | amiconn | yes |
| 08:34:58 | jhMikeS | same remote too? |
| 08:36:12 | amiconn | yup |
| 08:36:30 | JdGordon | amiconn: ok, fixed |
| 08:36:41 | amiconn | The remote is the very same for M3 (where it's standard, because it's the only display), M5 and X5 |
| 08:37:50 | jhMikeS | I'm just adding a keymap for the keyboard on x5 so I guess it'll make sense for all then |
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| 08:40:42 | amiconn | yes |
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| 08:41:18 | amiconn | The button driver is slightly different though, because Play and Rec are swapped electronically. I wonder why cowon did that |
| 08:42:10 | jhMikeS | ?? Routing lines perhaps? |
| 08:42:20 | petur | engineering error probably ;) |
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| 08:45:14 | * | petur now has his 80GB disk and 2300mAh battery, just waiting for spare time to assemble |
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| 08:45:58 | aliask | petur: Where'd you get the 80gb disk from? 1.8" i'm assuming... |
| 08:46:12 | * | amiconn already has a "H180" :) |
| 08:46:25 | amiconn | aliask: I got mine from ebay |
| 08:46:25 | petur | e-bay... ICC I think they're called... $260 |
| 08:46:37 | amiconn | EUR 156 |
| 08:46:47 | petur | where? |
| 08:46:52 | amiconn | ebay.de |
| 08:47:52 | petur | there's an almost new one from Canada now: http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/TOSHIBA-MK8007GAH-80GB-1-8-HARD-DRIVE_W0QQitemZ130086686527QQihZ003QQcategoryZ42184QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem |
| 08:48:11 | petur | 'as is' |
| 08:48:41 | aliask | "IT WAS REMOVED FROM A DELL LATITUDE X1 LAPTOP" |
| 08:48:58 | jhMikeS | Well, I mapped it ff=right, rw=left, volup=down, voldown=up, repeat play=ok, mode=cancel, rec=select/backspace depending on mode |
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| 08:50:11 | amiconn | Why not select=select? |
| 08:50:58 | jhMikeS | works faster...natigate with one hand, select chars with the other |
| 08:51:07 | jhMikeS | navigate even |
| 08:51:45 | * | amiconn would much prefer select to be select |
| 08:52:02 | amiconn | I value one-handed operation |
| 08:52:07 | LinusN | me too |
| 08:52:33 | LinusN | it is a pain to have to use both hands |
| 08:52:47 | amiconn | It could be both select and rec unless we have a better use for one of them |
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| 08:52:52 | LinusN | sure |
| 08:52:56 | jhMikeS | play is usually ok in the standard context |
| 08:52:56 | HBK | Grrr |
| 08:53:12 | HBK | I got a problem with my iPod 5G |
| 08:53:17 | amiconn | And why long Play = accept? long something should only be used if short something is needed for something else |
| 08:53:19 | HBK | anyone can help? |
| 08:53:30 | Llorean | HBK: We won't know until you've asked the question. ;) |
| 08:53:33 | Kasperle | HBK: not until you state the problem |
| 08:53:34 | jhMikeS | what should be ok? menu or could that be select? it's not assigned to anything at all |
| 08:53:47 | amiconn | ? |
| 08:54:18 | HBK | oh yeah,I just installed Rockbox on my 30g ipod video,everything goes fine until i tried to play mp3 on it |
| 08:54:19 | jhMikeS | there's no assignment for the remote "menu" button |
| 08:54:32 | amiconn | Ah, you're talking about the remote |
| 08:54:39 | * | amiconn somehow didn't get this |
| 08:54:48 | jhMikeS | that's why I was asking about it :) |
| 08:54:50 | HBK | when i started to play an mp3 file,it said data abort 000307F8 |
| 08:55:11 | HBK | then I had to restart it,but the same thing again |
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| 08:55:31 | jhMikeS | I wanted to keep "play" as ok since that's the standard button |
| 08:55:41 | Llorean | HBK: What color is the background during the bootloader portion (the words right when you turn it on)? |
| 08:55:45 | amiconn | Yes, but why long? |
| 08:56:18 | jhMikeS | to help avoid a mistake in case it gets pressed when navigating |
| 08:56:19 | HBK | light blue I think |
| 08:56:27 | Llorean | HBK: You need to upgrade to the new bootloader then. |
| 08:56:43 | * | amiconn is a bit surprised that -wf'ing the bootloader doesn't actually save much of the boot time |
| 08:56:53 | amiconn | It feels more than it actually is |
| 08:56:54 | Llorean | HBK: Follow the instructions here for installing the bootloader: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
| 08:57:13 | HBK | Ah,I download the one from CVS session,but dunno if it's the lates one |
| 08:57:13 | * | amiconn tested of boot with the latest bootloader |
| 08:57:18 | amiconn | Works fine |
| 08:57:20 | LinusN | Llorean: i like how we have adapted the ipod bootloader version numbering scheme to that of Pokémon :-) |
| 08:57:34 | Llorean | LinusN: The bootloader has a numbering scheme? |
| 08:57:47 | Llorean | Oh, the color |
| 08:57:48 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 08:57:50 | Llorean | Bootloader Black |
| 08:57:50 | LinusN | :-) |
| 08:58:36 | HBK | I'm at the page of http://build.rockbox.org/ |
| 08:58:58 | Llorean | HBK: I gave you a link to what page and everything. Please follow the directions at the page I sent the link to. |
| 08:59:19 | HBK | yeah,I followed that instruction |
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| 09:00:16 | HBK | I think the one I got is the latest one from that page |
| 09:00:21 | pondlife | jhMikeS: How's H300 recording today? |
| 09:00:34 | Llorean | HBK: The page I gave you has never installed one with a light blue background. |
| 09:00:42 | Llorean | HBK: Are you sure you didn't follow the IpodInstallation page instead? |
| 09:01:18 | petur | pondlife: quite ok |
| 09:01:34 | pondlife | Hmm, I'm getting a reproducible crash on exit now |
| 09:01:54 | HBK | the version is 12652-070306,is this the latest one |
| 09:02:08 | Llorean | HBK: I told you, the blue background is not the latest one. |
| 09:02:15 | jhMikeS | pondlife: I'm gonna vanquish h300s from existence then |
| 09:02:18 | Llorean | HBK: The version number confirms it. Is there some reason you won't believe me? |
| 09:02:19 | pondlife | lol |
| 09:02:37 | Llorean | HBK: Wait misread the version number |
| 09:02:43 | Llorean | HBK: Is that your BOOTLOADER version or your ROCKBOX version? |
| 09:02:43 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Sorry to bear bad news, just wondered if you considered that finished or not. |
| 09:02:58 | Llorean | HBK: Specifically, what screen is that number from? |
| 09:03:02 | GodEater_ | 070306? that's ancient! |
| 09:03:13 | Llorean | GodEater_: 2007, Mar, 06 |
| 09:03:22 | GodEater_ | ah - wrong way round |
| 09:03:25 | jhMikeS | That bug's fixed if the screen isn't slowing anymore |
| 09:03:25 | Llorean | Yeah, I did that too. |
| 09:03:26 | GodEater_ | I forgot - we do iso |
| 09:03:37 | * | GodEater_ goes and sits at the back of the class |
| 09:03:50 | Llorean | GodEater_: Still, the bootloader at the page I linked doesn't display text. |
| 09:03:54 | pondlife | jhMikeS: The slowing has gone |
| 09:04:00 | pondlife | And I can record ok. |
| 09:04:03 | jhMikeS | but you must be screwing with me about this crash on exit hoax |
| 09:04:05 | HBK | it's at the bottom of the version menu |
| 09:04:05 | GodEater_ | true |
| 09:04:14 | pondlife | It locks when I attempt to exit the recording screen |
| 09:04:21 | pondlife | After recording only |
| 09:04:22 | Llorean | HBK: That's your Rockbox version. |
| 09:04:31 | Llorean | HBK: I told you you needed the newest Bootloader, not the newest Rockbox build. |
| 09:04:37 | GodEater_ | I don't think any of the bootloaders display a version number in that format |
| 09:04:38 | Llorean | HBK: Please, just follow the instructions at the page I linked you. |
| 09:04:46 | jhMikeS | ?? petur? Confirmation? |
| 09:04:58 | jhMikeS | :) |
| 09:05:02 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Mic is still enabled, meters not moving. I'll try disabling voice... |
| 09:05:04 | petur | one moment, will try |
| 09:05:07 | HBK | OK |
| 09:05:14 | petur | I do have voice disabled |
| 09:05:30 | * | jhMikeS did actually anticipate H300s doing something...as always |
| 09:05:57 | HBK | so should I delete all the file or uninstintall rockbox before I do that? |
| 09:06:12 | Llorean | HBK: No. I already told you exactly what to do. |
| 09:06:18 | Llorean | HBK: Follow the instructions here for installing the bootloader: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationBeta |
| 09:06:20 | pondlife | OK. Still locks up if I disable voice without rebooting... |
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| 09:06:42 | Llorean | GodEater_: The black-screen bootloader should show the date in that format. |
| 09:06:50 | pondlife | Still locks without voice, even after a reboot. |
| 09:06:54 | HBK | OK,I'll try it |
| 09:07:05 | petur | pondlife, jhMikeS: no lockup here |
| 09:07:10 | jhMikeS | now that just doesn't make a lick of sense...the problem was voice not unboosting the thread |
| 09:07:13 | GodEater_ | Llorean: including the svn revision number though ? |
| 09:07:26 | Llorean | GodEater_: Mine has an SVN revision number, at least. |
| 09:07:30 | pondlife | Actually it's not a hard lockup in this case, but it seems to be waiting forever for something |
| 09:07:33 | jhMikeS | or rather...boosting a thread it had no business boosting |
| 09:07:42 | GodEater_ | it's been so long now since I looked an ipod bootloader, I've forgotten |
| 09:07:47 | GodEater_ | :`( |
| 09:07:50 | pondlife | i.e. backlight is going on/off |
| 09:07:59 | pondlife | But long stop won't shutdown |
| 09:08:03 | Llorean | GodEater_: I don't normally look at it, and the newest one doesn't show anything unless you hold "Right" apparently. |
| 09:08:16 | pondlife | Disk icon is lit too |
| 09:08:18 | GodEater_ | I think the "no text" is a good idea |
| 09:08:28 | jhMikeS | hmmmm....something with reloading the voice file probably |
| 09:08:32 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:08:42 | pondlife | No reason to reload that |
| 09:08:45 | pondlife | It's all disabled |
| 09:09:01 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 09:09:01 | petur | voice loads if the file is available |
| 09:09:14 | pondlife | Shouldn't do. I changed that ages ago |
| 09:09:19 | petur | oh |
| 09:09:23 | pondlife | It only loads if any of the voice options are enabled |
| 09:09:25 | jhMikeS | it actually loads the file on first use of a clip |
| 09:09:25 | HBK | Oh,yeah,i worked,thanks! |
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| 09:09:39 | HBK | I think I know why I got wrong. |
| 09:09:41 | pondlife | Ah, it also locks if I stop and restart recording |
| 09:10:07 | * | petur shuts up and minds his payed work |
| 09:10:07 | pondlife | Same symptoms - backlight functions working, but nothing else |
| 09:10:07 | jhMikeS | Two H300s in total disagreement...hmmm |
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| 09:10:14 | HBK | be installation instruction I followed is for G4 |
| 09:10:46 | pondlife | This is the very latest build (07:45) |
| 09:10:57 | petur | mine is from yesterday |
| 09:11:11 | pondlife | I'm recording to WAV - default recording settings all round I expect |
| 09:11:20 | jhMikeS | pondlife: did you try one from right after the fix? |
| 09:11:24 | petur | and I _need_ reliable recording tomorrow |
| 09:11:28 | pondlife | No |
| 09:11:32 | pondlife | Not yet anyway |
| 09:12:01 | jhMikeS | I ran my stuff forever and not a peep...will check some more. |
| 09:12:05 | pondlife | Which SVN revision would be good? |
| 09:12:19 | pondlife | Just before the IRQ rework? |
| 09:12:25 | jhMikeS | 05:23- see if it changes |
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| 09:12:53 | jhMikeS | though any problem there should realy hard lock |
| 09:13:15 | HBK | Where's the instruction you gave me on the website? |
| 09:13:46 | HBK | I only found the old one in the documentation section on the website |
| 09:13:55 | Llorean | HBK: I don't understand the question. The link I gave you is on the website. |
| 09:14:18 | LinusN | HBK: for future reference, the IRC channel is logged: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/ |
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| 09:15:28 | LinusN | Llorean: please tell me how to click my way to that wiki page |
| 09:15:39 | Llorean | LinusN: There's a big red link at the top of the IpodInstallation page. |
| 09:15:49 | HBK | hmm?here's the link i got http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 09:15:50 | LinusN | Llorean: not anymore |
| 09:16:02 | Llorean | Hrm |
| 09:16:29 | Llorean | If that's been changed, is the manual up to date? |
| 09:16:31 | * | Llorean goes to check |
| 09:16:35 | GodEater_ | HBK: Wiki->IpodPort->IportInstallationBeta |
| 09:16:46 | Llorean | LinusN: The manual is up to date. |
| 09:16:49 | GodEater_ | excuse me, IpodInstallationBeta |
| 09:16:53 | HBK | Oh,yeah,I got it |
| 09:16:56 | Llorean | LinusN: Same instructions as the Beta page. |
| 09:17:03 | LinusN | Llorean: ok then |
| 09:17:27 | Llorean | LinusN: So the big red link is valid, it must've been changed when the Beta instructions were put into the manual because it used to link to the beta page. |
| 09:17:37 | Llorean | Either way, people ignore that red line regularly. |
| 09:17:51 | LinusN | Llorean: it's not a link |
| 09:17:59 | Llorean | Well, when it was a link |
| 09:18:01 | Llorean | Sorry |
| 09:18:04 | LinusN | :_) |
| 09:18:26 | Llorean | I'm going to fix the IpodInstallation page now. |
| 09:18:29 | Llorean | Unless there's a reason to leave it. |
| 09:18:58 | LinusN | pondlife: latest svn works fine for me with voice enabled |
| 09:19:04 | HBK | I got the manual this afternoon,but it's still the old version,did you just update it? |
| 09:19:21 | Llorean | HBK: I just checked, it's definitely in the manual. |
| 09:19:33 | Llorean | HBK: It probably happened earlier today. |
| 09:19:36 | pondlife | LinusN: Maybe I should put my config somewhere? |
| 09:19:44 | HBK | yeah,i got the pdf file of it |
| 09:19:59 | pondlife | Just trying a small rollback, will report back shortly |
| 09:20:09 | petur | pondlife: put it in the recycle bin ;) |
| 09:20:13 | GodEater_ | tell me you don't think this is pretty : http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2007/03/meizu-m8-minione-pricing.php |
| 09:21:20 | * | petur always sorts the 1's and 0's before throwing his digital waste away |
| 09:21:24 | LinusN | pondlife: it also worked when i turned off voice menus |
| 09:21:32 | LinusN | pondlife: and also after rebooting |
| 09:21:34 | pondlife | It's not voice related |
| 09:21:45 | pondlife | I have all voice stuff off, and have rebooted |
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| 09:23:16 | jhMikeS | I don't know...things started misbehaving on the H120 where voice doesn't seem to even start. But that was before changing anything in the voice arena. |
| 09:23:22 | pondlife | Nope rev 12657 still locks |
| 09:23:29 | pondlife | Will go back further... |
| 09:24:33 | jhMikeS | the interrupt changes were tested all night so I don't really anticipate anything bad from that |
| 09:24:50 | pondlife | Just building 12648. |
| 09:25:15 | pondlife | What would it be waiting on before exiting, or before starting a second recording? |
| 09:27:00 | jhMikeS | just starting a second recording and not leaving? |
| 09:27:05 | pondlife | Yes |
| 09:27:14 | LinusN | pondlife: have you reset the settings, and have you set your RTC to a valid time? |
| 09:27:18 | jhMikeS | you waiting for the flush on the first to finish? |
| 09:27:25 | pondlife | LinusN: Not yet |
| 09:27:34 | pondlife | My RTC time looks ok though |
| 09:27:41 | LinusN | i have tried to stop and record again, and also starting a new file with Rec, both work just fine |
| 09:28:11 | LinusN | pondlife: and the disk is not full? |
| 09:28:13 | jhMikeS | The only thing recording would wait on is for the next second to get a filename |
| 09:28:22 | pondlife | USB bootloader mode is working like a champ though! |
| 09:28:28 | LinusN | :-) |
| 09:29:17 | pondlife | OK, that still locks. Could it be caused by me not configuring a recordings directory? |
| 09:29:56 | jhMikeS | the default should be just fine |
| 09:30:05 | LinusN | default should be /recordings |
| 09:30:11 | pondlife | OK, cleared settings |
| 09:31:05 | jhMikeS | ayef, wivepack, beglayerthree? lol |
| 09:32:11 | pondlife | Worth a CHKDSK too... |
| 09:34:01 | jhMikeS | 2 of 3 are in my favor so far |
| 09:34:12 | HBK | I found something wrong with manual in the uninstallation part |
| 09:34:50 | jhMikeS | pondlife: which voice file? I'll try the same myself. |
| 09:35:05 | pondlife | Not sure, but it shouldn't be related. |
| 09:35:09 | HBK | it says when we uninstall rockbox we should use command line "ipodpatcher N -d" |
| 09:35:14 | pondlife | I'll delete ENGLISH.VOICE next |
| 09:35:29 | HBK | but the number N is not mentioned before in the manual |
| 09:36:13 | HBK | I think this is explained in the old version because the N is also used when we install rockbox |
| 09:37:05 | jhMikeS | I'm getting all strange menu behavior...I can't back out of the settings menu...it just goes to the first item over and over. Had a thing where the WPS wouldn't quite either in the same way. |
| 09:37:17 | GodEater_ | I'm not sure the N is required in an uninstall either |
| 09:37:28 | pondlife | jhMikeS: OK, it's working now I cleared my settings. |
| 09:37:30 | GodEater_ | it's *only* required if you've hooked up more than one iPod to your computer at once |
| 09:37:40 | HBK | but in the new version,we don't have to scan the device to get the number N.so it seems a little bit confusing to put this instruction which uses number N here. |
| 09:37:49 | jhMikeS | pondlife: con o sin voce? |
| 09:37:51 | pondlife | Will re-enable stuff and see what stops it. |
| 09:37:54 | pondlife | With voice, yes |
| 09:38:30 | pondlife | Default settings and some ENGLISH.voice from that 7zip archive |
| 09:38:40 | * | jhMikeS totally gets in UI loops all the time now |
| 09:38:59 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 09:39:03 | pondlife | OK - In at the deep end, reloading my previous config... |
| 09:39:05 | GodEater_ | HBK: agreed - I'll check with linuxstb, and if, as I suspect there's no requirement for the N, I'll arrange a change to the manual |
| 09:39:47 | * | jhMikeS needs to stop getting all the bugs eyes and points to JdGordon ;P |
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| 09:41:32 | Llorean | GodEater_: There's no requirement for the N. |
| 09:41:52 | HBK | so what's the new method of uninstallation? |
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| 09:42:11 | Llorean | HBK: The same as listed, with or without the N. |
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| 09:42:32 | HBK | just use the patch.exe? |
| 09:42:56 | Llorean | What patch.exe? |
| 09:43:01 | Llorean | If you mean ipodpatcher, yes. |
| 09:43:30 | GodEater_ | HBK: just run ipodpatcher -d |
| 09:44:23 | HBK | yeah,i got it,but it still says the N thing in the manual.probably gotta make some change to it. |
| 09:44:41 | Llorean | HBK: The N thing is still valid, it's just not *necessary* any more. |
| 09:45:03 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Hmm, could it just be waiting a long long time to flush if database is updating? |
| 09:45:08 | GodEater_ | Llorean: for consistency in the manual, I think we should remove the N though. |
| 09:45:25 | jhMikeS | you're updating database and recording at the same time? wtf |
| 09:45:27 | Llorean | GodEater_: Oh, I agree wholly. |
| 09:45:40 | pondlife | Well, I have update automatically turned on |
| 09:45:41 | jhMikeS | absolutely...I wouldn't do that. |
| 09:45:44 | pondlife | Should work! |
| 09:45:46 | GodEater_ | having multiple iPods hooked up all at once is a pretty fringe case |
| 09:45:58 | Llorean | GodEater_: Indeed. |
| 09:45:58 | jhMikeS | not gonna happen |
| 09:46:15 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Shouldn't lock up at least |
| 09:46:48 | pondlife | I'll leave it 10 mins and see what happens |
| 09:46:51 | jhMikeS | i'm not sure it is ... will have to try it out though. |
| 09:47:27 | jhMikeS | does it take a long time if you just start recording and stop it immediately? a couple seconds should flush out fast |
| 09:47:28 | pondlife | Maybe another bigfoot hiding in the database code...? |
| 09:47:37 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Yes |
| 09:47:53 | jhMikeS | :/ |
| 09:48:08 | pondlife | It was working fine with cleared settings, and I could see the disk indicator for about 3 seconds after |
| 09:48:23 | jhMikeS | that's about right |
| 09:48:29 | pondlife | But with the database enabled it's been sat there for 4 mins now |
| 09:48:34 | pondlife | Can't be right! |
| 09:48:55 | pondlife | Mic is still enabled, would that make sense? |
| 09:49:05 | pondlife | i.e. flush then turn off mic |
| 09:50:11 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: ? |
| 09:50:27 | pondlife | LinusN: On another topic, my rearranged bootloader here fixes the H300 remote issue. Would you like me to send you a copy, or just commit it? |
| 09:50:41 | pondlife | I have no idea if it would work with the LCD remote though |
| 09:50:51 | JdGordon | LinusN: MENU > previous is causing some very odd bugs :p |
| 09:51:00 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I'm running into strange infinite menu loops on my H120 when going left to go up...it just goes to the same menu over and over |
| 09:51:03 | LinusN | pondlife: send me the patch and i'll test ot with all remotes |
| 09:51:42 | jhMikeS | But the strangest one was the WPS restarting the track when you press stop |
| 09:51:49 | LinusN | jhMikeS: yes, i see the same problem - that loop was added when we aded the "menu goes to last screen" feature |
| 09:52:03 | JdGordon | yeah, ive got it all fixed except a very easy wps looping bug |
| 09:52:17 | jhMikeS | THough I did just recording with database updating in the bg |
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| 09:53:41 | linuxstb | GodEater_, Llorean: ipodpatcher now prompts for (i)nstall, (u)ninstall or (c)ancel - so to uninstall, you just double-click ipodpatcher and enter u. I'll update the manual... |
| 09:54:02 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: okay |
| 09:54:03 | jhMikeS | pondlife: had no trouble with recording and updating db, in ram... and all that. |
| 09:54:16 | pondlife | Hmm, maybe it's not that |
| 09:54:35 | GodEater_ | svn revert . seems not to work for me =/ |
| 09:54:36 | pondlife | Did you try shutting down and going straight into recording |
| 09:54:44 | pondlife | i.e. while the disk icon is still lit |
| 09:54:46 | JdGordon | GodEater_: it needs the -R |
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| 09:55:18 | jhMikeS | Recording screen on startup? Can't get any more immediate than that. |
| 09:56:12 | GodEater_ | JdGordon, even if you're in the directory you wish to revert ? |
| 09:56:14 | pondlife | Hmm, I don't trust that quite yet!! No, I'm going to Root menu first |
| 09:56:14 | GodEater_ | that seems silly |
| 09:56:32 | JdGordon | GodEater_: umm... |
| 09:56:32 | pondlife | OK, it just worked, so it's not every time... |
| 09:56:43 | jhMikeS | Though if I try flushing a large amount of data...the db update does interfere afterall...and the flush boosts itself. |
| 09:57:08 | JdGordon | isnt the build table colours really bad for the colour blind? |
| 09:57:10 | pondlife | Nope, just locked again. Filesize 912k |
| 09:57:11 | LinusN | GodEater: -R is needed to revert the subdirs |
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| 09:57:35 | LinusN | JdGordon: indeed :-) |
| 09:57:50 | GodEater_ | LinusN: I realise that, but I'd dropped down into the directory I'd made the change at - so I expected it to only revert changes made to files in that directory |
| 09:57:51 | JdGordon | we obviously dont have any devs with that problem then :p |
| 09:58:00 | jhMikeS | I think it does interfere...I have an odd blinking HD LED |
| 09:58:10 | LinusN | GodEater: and what happened without the -R? |
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| 09:58:20 | GodEater_ | LinusN: absolutely nothing at all |
| 09:58:32 | LinusN | GodEater: i know why |
| 09:58:35 | linuxstb | amiconn: Can you build an amd64 version of the current SVN ipodpatcher with the bootloaders from http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloaders.zip ? |
| 09:58:47 | pondlife | jhMikeS: The lockup seems to happen whenever I have had the disk indicator lit throughout.... |
| 09:58:59 | LinusN | GodEater: use * instead of . |
| 09:59:16 | pondlife | If I wait for it to go out beforehand, it works fine |
| 09:59:19 | GodEater_ | I think the svn help is misleading in that case - it doesn't mean PATH |
| 09:59:21 | LinusN | if you specify a directory as an argument, you will need -R |
| 09:59:23 | thewho | Sorry for nagging, but: is the #ifndef in radio.c:428 needed? It causes the main menu item to be "Now playing" when the main menu is called from the radio screen IMHO |
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| 10:00:03 | jhMikeS | sure...it wants too many disk resources or something else is wrong that busts the disk access |
| 10:00:03 | * | pondlife thinks that menu item should just be called "Playback" at all times |
| 10:00:16 | webguest00 | Hi, is there a easy way to compile (a newly created) plugin. I'm trying to compile a simple hello world plugin, with directions found on the http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins however when i run the arm-elf-gcc compiler it cannot find several headers, |
| 10:00:56 | LinusN | thewho: change it and submit a patch |
| 10:01:02 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Shouldn't lock up though... |
| 10:01:14 | pondlife | It's a pin-needed job. |
| 10:01:31 | Llorean | webguest00: Are you using the normal ../tools/configure, make, make zip method of compiling Rockbox? |
| 10:01:50 | thewho | pondlife: this is another question. The sim (possibly) still has an error |
| 10:01:58 | pondlife | It has many |
| 10:02:05 | webguest00 | Llorean: eh.no just basically running arm-elf-gcc ./plugin.c ..:) |
| 10:02:11 | thewho | LinusN: but why was it made that way? Isn't there something I don't understand? |
| 10:02:41 | LinusN | thewho: it's probably there because radio_stop() didn't exist in the sim in the older days |
| 10:02:47 | Llorean | webguest00: I would suggest following the proper compiling instructions, it actually works that way |
| 10:02:55 | jhMikeS | yes...it's doing nothing but disk writing there though and db is doing whatever it's doing. I can't have recording change things for database updates...It'll have to go the other way. |
| 10:03:15 | pondlife | Must be a bug in the disk handling stuff |
| 10:03:34 | pondlife | It's been locked for 10 mins now. It's not coming back! |
| 10:03:37 | jhMikeS | I had a blinking led...I don't know if that's in the driver or what. |
| 10:03:42 | webguest00 | Llorean: ok. but does it mean i need to recompile the whole of rockbox to just compile a single plugin ? |
| 10:03:43 | thewho | LinusN: I mean: if someone wrote that code (which is an effort) this must have had a reason |
| 10:04:01 | pondlife | I have a steady indicator on the status bar |
| 10:04:03 | jhMikeS | Blinking on/off once a second |
| 10:04:07 | pondlife | H100? |
| 10:04:11 | jhMikeS | H120 |
| 10:04:15 | thewho | LinusN: sorry, missed your msg |
| 10:04:21 | pondlife | Do you have an H3x0 available? |
| 10:04:28 | jhMikeS | no |
| 10:04:28 | Llorean | webguest00: After the first compile, as long as you don't remove the build directory, it'll only recompile the files that have changed. |
| 10:04:32 | pondlife | Darn |
| 10:04:37 | linuxstb | webguest00: Yes. Add your plugin to apps/plugins/SOURCES, and then rebuild Rockbox. |
| 10:04:41 | JdGordon | thewho: does moving the ifndef under the audio_stop() fix the bug? |
| 10:04:44 | jhMikeS | X5 has a virtual LED though...not that it should matter |
| 10:04:50 | thewho | LinusN: err... do you mean "audio_stop"? |
| 10:04:51 | LinusN | thewho: if it isn't too much trouble, please fix it and submit a patch |
| 10:05:02 | LinusN | thewho: of course |
| 10:05:16 | jhMikeS | I didn't hear the HD doing anything at all once it locked ... all actual activity ceased |
| 10:05:40 | webguest00 | Llorean and linuxstb: ok thanks again |
| 10:06:01 | pondlife | jhMikeS: I don't feel HD vibration, but the indicator stays lit |
| 10:06:18 | thewho | JdGordon: I dont't know, but probably yes. I removed the whole line (and #endif also of course) and that did fix the bug. But it tested only on H120 sim. The nested #if has to do with SW_CODEC which may still be importatnt for other platforms |
| 10:06:50 | LinusN | thegeek: try with an archos recorder sim too |
| 10:06:59 | LinusN | sorry, archos fm recorder |
| 10:07:03 | jhMikeS | pondlife: this points to something more nasty I think. Try checking with the access check turned on. |
| 10:07:05 | JdGordon | try just moving the #ifndef SIMULATOR to under the audio_stop(), i that fixes it then thats all that should be changed |
| 10:07:18 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Access check? |
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| 10:07:30 | pondlife | Is that part of the debug build? |
| 10:08:47 | pondlife | Still locks up with dircache disabled FWIW |
| 10:08:50 | thewho | JdGordon: I'm quite sure it will fix it. The "problem" is that on the sim, the audio is not stopped when FM is started. And that's because of that #ifndef |
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| 10:12:21 | thewho | JdGordon: but I can't test atm |
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| 10:14:30 | jhMikeS | from the sound of the drive, database has had it not long after recording proceeds...the disk just spins even before a flush. guess it's time to look at that code. |
| 10:14:56 | pondlife | Seems ok as long as database isn't loaded into RAM too. |
| 10:15:12 | pondlife | But I'm just re-initialising, so a bit too early to say for sure. |
| 10:15:54 | JdGordon | thewho: seems to work, ill commit it |
| 10:16:56 | jhMikeS | recording might be clobbering its memory ... |
| 10:17:41 | jhMikeS | I don't even know the file that contains that code :p |
| 10:18:43 | jhMikeS | still tagcache eh? |
| 10:18:56 | pondlife | jhMikeS: I have about 14000 tracks if that's relevan |
| 10:18:57 | pondlife | t |
| 10:19:13 | thewho | JdGordon: dit you shift the line or remove it? |
| 10:19:23 | JdGordon | shift |
| 10:19:31 | JdGordon | shouldnt really make much difference |
| 10:19:46 | pondlife | Hmm, the initialisation progress sticks at -1% now... |
| 10:20:00 | pondlife | I'm sure it used to work |
| 10:20:06 | jhMikeS | pondlife: recording should not have a problem, you've got 32MB of RAM there |
| 10:20:13 | pondlife | Indeed. |
| 10:20:27 | jhMikeS | it runs on 16MB just fine |
| 10:20:47 | pondlife | If you enable tagcache in RAM, and make sure it's updating when you attempt recording, can you repro? |
| 10:21:02 | pondlife | Sorry, I mean DATABASE |
| 10:21:18 | thewho | JdGordon: ok, the rest is only for HW_CODEC, so not relevant for me :-p |
| 10:21:22 | jhMikeS | that's what was doing it. just recording kills the database activity on disk. it doesn't even need to start flushing audio |
| 10:21:50 | pondlife | OK, so the problem occurs when database attempts to continue? |
| 10:22:47 | jhMikeS | it's doing it's thing...recording clobbers it. database has to stay clear of it for sure. |
| 10:23:18 | pondlife | So a recording bug then? |
| 10:23:33 | * | pondlife likes to lay the blame out first :) |
| 10:23:39 | jhMikeS | no...it gets it's buffers properly |
| 10:23:52 | pondlife | Hmm, so low level disk stuff? |
| 10:24:31 | jhMikeS | maybe database is grabbing ram...if that's not it...could be low level. |
| 10:25:10 | linuxstb | I've just removed all ipod installation instructions from the wiki (replacing with a line telling people to follow the instructions in the manual). So now there are no visible old install instructions. |
| 10:25:17 | pondlife | Ah, have a look at allocate_tempbuf() in tagcache.c... |
| 10:25:28 | pondlife | audiobuf += tempbuf_size; |
| 10:26:01 | pondlife | I wonder if that's being called? |
| 10:27:00 | jhMikeS | yeah, that's just wrong and only safe before audio init |
| 10:27:30 | linuxstb | LinusN: I would like to break the links from third-party tutorials to the old installation files on download.rockbox.org - could you create an "ARCHIVE" subdirectory in bootloader/ipod, and do "mv bootloader*.bin ipod_fw* disk_dump* ipodpatcher*.zip ipodpatcher.exe ARCHIVE/" |
| 10:28:12 | jhMikeS | once audio is initialized, there's rules to obey :) |
| 10:28:51 | pondlife | Shouldn't there always be rules about modifying the value of audiobuf too? |
| 10:29:11 | pondlife | This should go through buffer_alloc and hence your proposed locks... |
| 10:29:25 | jhMikeS | It can go anywhere before audio init |
| 10:29:31 | jhMikeS | it frees it too though |
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| 10:30:56 | pondlife | It should just be claiiming the audio buffer, and using that maybe? |
| 10:31:10 | pondlife | If not possible, then delay commit until the next reboot as now. |
| 10:31:29 | pondlife | If you knacker part of the audio buffer after init then surely you may as well. |
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| 10:34:58 | jhMikeS | not sure...I want to check real quick if that function is called during record |
| 10:36:27 | pondlife | Trigger an Update Now before you go into Recording |
| 10:37:06 | jhMikeS | Never had to since I never let it finish |
| 10:40:27 | jhMikeS | hmmmm...no panicf yet |
| 10:42:34 | jhMikeS | strange it worked just fine that time |
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| 10:43:22 | jhMikeS | will try update now |
| 10:46:14 | jhMikeS | I see the LED blinking and can hear the disk in the mic: click click.......click click |
| 10:46:43 | jhMikeS | but it's not making calls to that |
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| 10:51:25 | jhMikeS | yup...taking forever to flush out again |
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| 10:54:09 | * | XavierGr walks in with a box on his hands :D |
| 10:54:33 | hcs | box of chocolates? |
| 10:55:49 | * | jhMikeS was thinking of some naughty kind of box |
| 10:55:50 | LinusN | linuxstb: done |
| 10:56:56 | * | XavierGr adds himself to the decimated archos (ondio) population and joins the old family :P |
| 10:56:56 | hcs | box of live grenades? |
| 10:57:20 | XavierGr | nah I just received my ondio FM |
| 10:57:37 | amiconn | euhm, for some reason my tools/ipodpacther/* files are gone (execpt ipodpatcher.exe), and 'svn up' doesn't bring them back ?!? |
| 10:58:03 | * | JdGordon didnt do it! |
| 10:58:03 | hcs | rbutil/ipodpatcher now |
| 10:58:11 | XavierGr | gah this thing is very small!! |
| 10:58:23 | XavierGr | somewhat a little bit fatty though :P |
| 10:58:25 | jhMikeS | ummm...svn rm can do that :) |
| 10:58:55 | amiconn | Hmm, but why is the dir still there? Or is my working copy fooling me? |
| 10:59:32 | amiconn | And on my amd64 box the files still exists after 'svn up' |
| 10:59:41 | amiconn | :confused: |
| 10:59:58 | jhMikeS | I had something like that where I just had to blast the directories and do reverts but got somewhere |
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| 11:01:15 | amiconn | linuxstb: 'make clean' is abit aggressive in the ipodpatcher dir... |
| 11:01:19 | JdGordon | crap :'( I got another 3 hour break tomorow at uni |
| 11:01:24 | XavierGr | sweet the box has 8 aaa batteries too |
| 11:01:39 | JdGordon | XavierGr: to add to the shipping cost? :p |
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| 11:03:31 | XavierGr | he included in total 11 aaa batteries and even an rca cable |
| 11:03:39 | jhMikeS | 8 aaa? that would get expensive to run |
| 11:03:58 | XavierGr | it needs 3 to run |
| 11:04:10 | jhMikeS | oh...lol |
| 11:05:03 | linuxstb | amiconn: What does it delete that you think it shouldn't? |
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| 11:05:20 | linuxstb | LinusN: Thanks for cleaning the ipod directory. |
| 11:05:23 | XavierGr | now time to get rid of the OF!!! |
| 11:05:35 | XavierGr | I don't even know how to put rockbox on this thing... |
| 11:06:23 | jhMikeS | I wonder if the ATA driver or file functions bite it with all the multithreaded writing going on |
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| 11:06:32 | | Nick Shaid` is now known as Shaid (i=shaid@203-214-106-254.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 11:06:43 | * | jhMikeS wonders if pondlife bailed out |
| 11:07:32 | * | JdGordon gives up... has anyone got a few min to look at the new root_menu loop to figure out why you can get stuck in wps loops easily? |
| 11:08:35 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:09:49 | jhMikeS | what about the other loops? |
| 11:09:51 | XavierGr | is it possible to brick the ondio if I do something wrong when installing rockbox on it? |
| 11:10:12 | | Part Llorean |
| 11:10:48 | JdGordon | haha freeking typical... as soon as I ask for help I get it working :p |
| 11:10:54 | LinusN | :-) |
| 11:11:08 | XavierGr | hmm ondio should be in fat32 filesystem correct? |
| 11:11:37 | LinusN | XavierGr: fat16 iirc |
| 11:11:37 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: you always do just before I go trying to find the relevant code |
| 11:11:51 | JdGordon | :) |
| 11:11:52 | amiconn | linuxstb: Everything... |
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| 11:12:04 | * | LinusN got as far as opening root_menu.c |
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| 11:12:17 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Nope still here-ish |
| 11:12:33 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The ata driver is mutexed |
| 11:13:04 | amiconn | linuxstb: Everything except the Makefile, to be precise |
| 11:13:05 | LinusN | i wonder if the ata callback thingy might be the problem |
| 11:13:15 | pondlife | jhMikeS: So you reproduced it... |
| 11:13:22 | jhMikeS | pondlife: over and over |
| 11:13:27 | pondlife | Good ;p |
| 11:13:58 | pondlife | I'm back on Paid Work at the moment, but will try to keep an eye on this here channel if you want anything trying out. |
| 11:14:12 | jhMikeS | recording is very simple with the writing but it writes megabytes |
| 11:15:10 | linuxstb | amiconn: That's odd... Is the "*~" (which I use to clean emacs backup files, so I should probably have not committed it) matching files on your system? |
| 11:15:11 | jhMikeS | when they're both going, something collides and it just sits there twitching. |
| 11:15:28 | amiconn | linuxstb: No it's not |
| 11:16:23 | jhMikeS | playback doesn't seem bothered but it's reading |
| 11:16:23 | linuxstb | amiconn: Then I can't see why it would delete the .c and .h files... |
| 11:16:30 | XavierGr | omg it takes ages to put the build to ondio....! |
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| 11:17:59 | jhMikeS | the other bigfoots are after me for bagging the other one :( |
| 11:18:06 | pondlife | lol |
| 11:18:17 | pondlife | Never get into fights with bigfoots |
| 11:18:29 | * | pondlife wonders what the collective noun is |
| 11:18:42 | LinusN | amiconn: 'make clean' in rbutil/ipodpatcher works fine for me |
| 11:18:45 | Shaid | a hairball of bigfoots? |
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| 11:19:39 | pondlife | cough |
| 11:19:58 | XavierGr | yippie just booted my ondio to Rockbox! :D |
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| 11:22:28 | amiconn | Where should I throw this amd64 ipodpatcher? LinusN? |
| 11:22:44 | LinusN | somewhere where i can download it |
| 11:25:21 | jhMikeS | LinusN: the ata callback you're talking about is the idle callback? |
| 11:25:25 | XavierGr | icacther looks neat on the ondio |
| 11:25:42 | LinusN | jhMikeS: yes |
| 11:25:54 | LinusN | but i realize that it shouldn't be an issue |
| 11:26:29 | JdGordon | you guys really like blaming my code for everything dont you? :'( |
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| 11:26:48 | LinusN | jhMikeS: but i can imagine that a huge write that is interrupted by another could slow down quite a lot, since the drive would seek a lot |
| 11:26:53 | LinusN | JdGordon: hahaha |
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| 11:26:58 | jhMikeS | Who's #1? JdGordon or Slasheri? :P |
| 11:28:05 | XavierGr | ondio doens't has a quickscreen button? |
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| 11:28:25 | jhMikeS | LinusN: It starts out quite normal with both then just halts |
| 11:28:31 | JdGordon | XavierGr: iirc you press long menu twice |
| 11:28:34 | LinusN | jhMikeS: nasty |
| 11:28:36 | amiconn | XavierGr: No it doesn't |
| 11:29:56 | linuxstb | amiconn: Did you work out why make clean deleted all the files? |
| 11:30:55 | jhMikeS | memory conflicts don't seem an issue |
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| 11:31:50 | dpmarsh | hi |
| 11:31:58 | amiconn | linuxstb: In rbutil/ipodpatcher it works |
| 11:32:38 | dpmarsh | i just signed up on TWiki and need access to load up my WPS theme for ipod5g, can someone help me? |
| 11:32:55 | JdGordon | pondlife: should <Untagged> be the last item in the list always and <All tracks> be first? |
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| 11:33:14 | JdGordon | or anyone..? |
| 11:33:21 | pondlife | JdGordon: I'd prefer it with <All tracks> then <Untagged> |
| 11:33:30 | dpmarsh | ditto |
| 11:33:41 | pondlife | Pity '<' is >'9' |
| 11:33:49 | amiconn | The link to the ipodpatcher amd64 binary in the manual is wrong |
| 11:34:08 | JdGordon | Slasheri: do you know which function sorts the tree items? |
| 11:34:26 | pondlife | compare()? |
| 11:35:41 | JdGordon | thats what i thought... but im not getting my debug output |
| 11:35:54 | pondlife | Only when you rebuild the database perhaps? |
| 11:36:12 | JdGordon | their orders are stored in the db? |
| 11:36:38 | pondlife | No idea, just a guess |
| 11:37:04 | amiconn | Yes, the db needs to have the items pre-sorted |
| 11:37:08 | bluebrother | IMO everything starting with < should be at the start |
| 11:37:20 | bluebrother | as it's some kind of special entry |
| 11:37:20 | JdGordon | what about when the order is reversed? |
| 11:37:45 | pondlife | JdGordon: I've got a fix for that here... |
| 11:37:52 | bluebrother | if the sorting order is reversed then it's at the end |
| 11:38:08 | JdGordon | pondlife: fix for which? |
| 11:38:08 | amiconn | ...otherwise segmented browsing couldn't work |
| 11:38:12 | preglow | amiconn: i did some measuring yesterday, and the wm8975 bass/treble controls do indeed seem to work, but they also adjust volume in addition |
| 11:38:24 | pondlife | <Untagged> |
| 11:38:26 | preglow | amiconn: do you think we should attempt to fix by prescaling volume, or just use sw tone controls? |
| 11:38:46 | JdGordon | pondlife: to fix your bug report? or..? |
| 11:38:51 | pondlife | http://www.pastebin.ca/384800 |
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| 11:39:17 | pondlife | Although a simple check for a leading < would be faster and maybe better |
| 11:39:26 | jhMikeS | maybe sorting rules should be part of lang files? |
| 11:39:49 | pondlife | Ah, that's a can of worms... The/Die/.... etc. |
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| 11:40:08 | pondlife | JdGordon: I can commit it if you think that's ok |
| 11:40:12 | JdGordon | <Untagged> is hardcoded tho isnt it? |
| 11:40:23 | pondlife | Yes, #defined |
| 11:40:30 | JdGordon | pondlife: you got rid of the inverse check? |
| 11:40:37 | pondlife | ? |
| 11:40:37 | pondlife | No |
| 11:41:02 | pondlife | Only the commented out "The" check (that was buggy anyway) |
| 11:41:10 | jhMikeS | not the The/Die/ ... etc. stuff just basic sorting |
| 11:41:25 | JdGordon | are we looking at the same function? |
| 11:41:36 | pondlife | tagcache.c |
| 11:41:37 | pondlife | static int compare(const void *p1, const void *p2) |
| 11:41:53 | JdGordon | oh, i was looking in tagtree.c |
| 11:42:37 | pondlife | Aha - that might be a better place to put it (if it's used) |
| 11:43:11 | * | JdGordon doesnt know |
| 11:43:15 | JdGordon | Slasheri: you around? |
| 11:43:30 | pondlife | Certainly the tagcache compare method works upon rebuild, but I suspect it would kill the update on existing databases. Sort stability is good, huh? |
| 11:43:51 | JdGordon | well, i think if its slow it should be there instead of in the display code |
| 11:43:56 | pondlife | This is a presentation issue, so should really be handled in the UI |
| 11:44:04 | JdGordon | you can export then reimport on db changes |
| 11:44:11 | * | pondlife likes UI and logic to be seperate |
| 11:46:26 | Slasheri | yep, compare() in tagcache.c is used when building the db |
| 11:46:59 | JdGordon | which is the better compare() to put this in tho? |
| 11:47:03 | pondlife | Slasheri: Would you be happy with my paste above? |
| 11:47:17 | JdGordon | and why isnt <Untagged> xlateable? |
| 11:47:37 | Slasheri | db files needs to be correctly sorted or low memory targets such an archos might be unable to display the entries correctly |
| 11:48:03 | pondlife | OK, strict charsort? |
| 11:48:27 | pondlife | So it needs to be done in tagtree, not tagcache. |
| 11:48:29 | Slasheri | pondlife: doing the sorting in tagcache.c is the best place, then it works for sure :) |
| 11:48:52 | pondlife | :~/ confused |
| 11:49:07 | pondlife | Define "correctly sorted" |
| 11:49:18 | Slasheri | or doing it in tagtree.c needs that all entries can be loaded in ram at once and sorted then |
| 11:49:39 | Slasheri | with chunked browsing that method does not work |
| 11:49:42 | pondlife | OK |
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| 11:50:12 | Slasheri | but still work to do, back in evening -> |
| 11:50:19 | pondlife | OK, I'll commit this for now!! |
| 11:50:25 | preglow | markun: testet the cf patch? |
| 11:50:27 | JdGordon | but.... but.... |
| 11:50:33 | pondlife | but? |
| 11:50:47 | JdGordon | is there anyway to see if it will show <Untagged> without checking the string? |
| 11:50:59 | pondlife | Not as far as I can see. |
| 11:51:09 | pondlife | The string is put in there early on. |
| 11:51:15 | JdGordon | oh well... |
| 11:51:22 | JdGordon | guess thats why its not translatable.. |
| 11:51:25 | JdGordon | gogogo!! |
| 11:51:42 | pondlife | It should be translatable still, that's just another job. |
| 11:51:45 | JdGordon | doing char comparisson would be faster tho :p |
| 11:52:38 | pondlife | Well, you can always update it some more! |
| 11:56:06 | XavierGr | amiconn: any page on the wiki about the flashing procedure on ondio fm? I am looking bootbox right now, but isn't this outdated? |
| 11:56:36 | amiconn | meh |
| 11:57:09 | * | amiconn still didn't update & merge the flashing instriuctions :( |
| 11:58:40 | XavierGr | so I shouldn't try to flash it unless you update it, right? |
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| 12:03:02 | * | preglow glances at e200tool and blinks |
| 12:03:11 | preglow | does this guy have usb going on portalplayer, then? |
| 12:05:22 | barrywardell_ | yes |
| 12:05:37 | barrywardell_ | although it's only a basic usb driver |
| 12:05:57 | preglow | well, yes, but it works! |
| 12:06:03 | barrywardell_ | yes |
| 12:09:53 | DataGhost | http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ga/2007/ga070307.gif |
| 12:09:54 | DataGhost | :D |
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| 12:15:34 | LinusN | i am constantly amazed how many people register in the Wiki and fail to read the notices about having to ask for permission to write |
| 12:16:01 | iwantanimac | er.. like what exactly? |
| 12:16:04 | GodEater_ | I'm constantly amazed about all sorts of things that people feel to read |
| 12:16:19 | GodEater_ | especially the big red stuff in bold |
| 12:16:26 | LinusN | it is mentioned here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome ("...and then ask for write permission") |
| 12:16:41 | barrywardell_ | preglow: are you interested in working on a USB driver for Rockbox? |
| 12:16:43 | Kasperle | except when it says "DON'T PUSH THE BIG RED BUTTON" |
| 12:16:50 | LinusN | and here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration (important note #1) |
| 12:17:00 | preglow | barrywardell_: i might be, but i doubt i'll have time |
| 12:17:04 | LinusN | and then also in the registration confirmation email |
| 12:17:08 | preglow | not with the dsp stuff on the todo list |
| 12:17:18 | iwantanimac | oh lol that... |
| 12:18:17 | barrywardell_ | preglow: ok, well let me know if you're interested. I've done a bit of work on it |
| 12:18:21 | LinusN | we mention it *three* times, and so many people still miss that information |
| 12:18:35 | LinusN | what's with people and their reading abilities these days |
| 12:18:36 | LinusN | ? |
| 12:18:44 | barrywardell_ | dionoea: while we're on the subject, how's the USB stuff going for you? |
| 12:18:46 | Kasperle | barrywardell_: is there any documentation on the USB hardware? |
| 12:19:14 | preglow | LinusN: you need bigger letters |
| 12:19:16 | preglow | also redder ones |
| 12:19:20 | preglow | if they can blink, all the better |
| 12:19:28 | LinusN | preglow: they need bigger brains |
| 12:19:38 | preglow | well, if you can supply that as well... |
| 12:19:44 | GodEater_ | if they could somehow reach out of the screen and hit people too - that would be good |
| 12:20:07 | LinusN | i mean, the note on the registration page is in red letters |
| 12:20:35 | iwantanimac | yeah. impossible to miss unless you're colour blind and you can't tell the difference between light blue and bright red... |
| 12:20:45 | iwantanimac | which makes a lot of people colour blind. |
| 12:20:46 | GodEater_ | judging from a lot of recent posts on the forums, we're getting an influx of total illiterates |
| 12:20:48 | LinusN | and the guy yesterday failed to read the important notice in red on the ipod installation page |
| 12:21:23 | LinusN | sometimes you just feel that writing good docs is futile |
| 12:21:28 | * | linuxstb suggests we translate pages via http://ssshotaru.homestead.com/files/aolertranslator.html |
| 12:21:50 | LinusN | linuxstb: lol |
| 12:22:21 | linuxstb | "UR WIKINMA MUST B UR R3AL FIRST AND LAST NME CONCAETNAETD LIEK JONSMITH OR ST3VAANDARSON!!1!!!1! WTF LOL ITS NOT JONS STEVAA OR NINJABOY!!111 LOL WE WIL DALETE UR REGISTRATION WITHOUT NOTIEC IF U BR3AK THES RULA!1!1!!11 WTF" |
| 12:22:57 | GodEater_ | we need to answer more forum posts like that |
| 12:23:01 | Ribs | lol |
| 12:23:19 | iwantanimac | right. bookmarked. =P |
| 12:23:45 | GodEater_ | I find it odd that google doesn't include AOL speak in their language tools |
| 12:23:46 | linuxstb | Shame the translator doesn't work the other way round... |
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| 12:23:57 | GodEater_ | they do pig latin and elmer fudd for god's sake |
| 12:24:02 | preglow | linuxstb: hahahaha |
| 12:24:10 | scorche | bork bork? |
| 12:24:24 | GodEater_ | search me |
| 12:24:32 | preglow | all the random "wtf"s really bloody crack me up |
| 12:24:57 | LinusN | lovely |
| 12:25:37 | iwantanimac | Hi! = "HI!!1!1 WTF" |
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| 12:26:11 | GodEater_ | yeah, it randomly drops in WTF, OMG, and LOL |
| 12:26:31 | iwantanimac | click two more times and Hi! = "HI!!1!1 OMG WTF LOL" |
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| 12:28:24 | * | preglow wonders what's up with the pletora of "rescue" modes on sansas |
| 12:28:56 | markun | preglow: no, forgot, and now I have to go again.. |
| 12:29:03 | linuxstb | You think 4 different USB modes is excessive? |
| 12:29:29 | GodEater_ | preglow: I think it just shows Sansa understand their target demographic ;) |
| 12:30:10 | preglow | markun: i think i'll just go ahead and commit it |
| 12:30:24 | preglow | if anyone complains, i'll just revert. as far as i know, it sounds the same |
| 12:31:01 | markun | preglow: ok, I'll check it then when I get back |
| 12:32:48 | pondlife | LinusN: Did you get my mail? |
| 12:34:23 | LinusN | pondlife: found it in my spam box :-) |
| 12:34:32 | pondlife | lol |
| 12:37:05 | barrywardell_ | Kasperle: sorry. i was afk for a minute there. There are docs and even a linux driver for the USB hardware |
| 12:37:22 | XavierGr | linuxstb: man, you made my day!! This link is "da" best!11! :D |
| 12:38:25 | barrywardell_ | Kasperle: see the i.MX31 reference manual on the freescale website and this linux driver:http://www.bitshrine.org/gpp/linux-2.6.16-mx31-usb-2.patch |
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| 12:44:35 | * | Shaid commits a patch that translates all code comments into AOLspeek |
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| 12:45:33 | pondlife | Hmm, code comments eh? Good idea |
| 12:46:15 | Shaid | then we could tell everyone to RAED TEH COMM3NTS!!11!!oneoneone |
| 12:47:57 | XavierGr | that aol translator really made me cry at one moment |
| 12:48:14 | LinusN | pondlife: works perfectly! |
| 12:48:20 | LinusN | with all 3 remote types |
| 12:48:23 | pondlife | Good |
| 12:48:37 | pondlife | Wasn't rocket science, just a little rearrangement |
| 12:48:55 | pondlife | What remains before v7 then? |
| 12:49:04 | pondlife | More RTC stuff? Car mode? |
| 12:49:32 | pondlife | Or is that about it until we get the EEPROM settings |
| 12:49:33 | LinusN | eeprom settings might be nice, but it seems the h300 OF is a little sensitive to eeprom changes |
| 12:49:48 | pondlife | Indeed. Might be best to release at this point. |
| 12:50:19 | LinusN | will you commit? |
| 12:50:24 | pondlife | Yes |
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| 12:51:34 | Kasperle | barrywardell_: that looks very encouraging |
| 12:54:07 | JdGordon | LinusN: is the pcf stuff for the h300 to get alarm working fairly trivial? or do you need to know what your doing for it? |
| 12:55:17 | pondlife | Did we fix the occasional H300 EEPROM corruption problem yet? |
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| 12:56:00 | amiconn | If we had usbotg in rockbox on the H300, there would be n need for the of |
| 12:56:06 | XavierGr | alas |
| 12:56:13 | amiconn | LinusN: How's the tracing going? |
| 12:56:17 | * | XavierGr points to petur :P |
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| 12:57:00 | mahi | hi all, |
| 12:57:11 | mahi | i am using rockbox on my ipod mini, its damn slow, any suggestions |
| 12:57:59 | mahi | anybody around :( |
| 12:58:02 | pondlife | Get a Gigabeat ;) |
| 12:58:04 | linuxstb | amiconn: Rockbox is still missing WMA support and (completed) video playback compared to the H300 OF. |
| 12:58:22 | mahi | any suggestions guys |
| 12:58:24 | pondlife | WMA without DRM |
| 12:58:32 | mahi | any tweaks to speed rock box |
| 12:58:46 | pondlife | Disable the EQ and crossfeed |
| 12:58:53 | mahi | oh is it |
| 12:58:54 | pondlife | Don't use peakmeters on your WPS. |
| 12:58:56 | mahi | lemme try |
| 12:59:39 | pondlife | mahi: Which file format are you playing? |
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| 12:59:56 | mahi | mp3 |
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| 13:00:06 | mahi | yeah disabling equalizer worked |
| 13:00:10 | preglow | linuxstb: i did measurements on wm8975 treble/bass yesterday, and they do indeed work, but there's also always a gain boost/cut |
| 13:00:27 | mahi | pondlife thanx a lot dude |
| 13:00:42 | pondlife | Anyone know if EQ isn't disabled by default? |
| 13:00:47 | pondlife | No prob |
| 13:00:58 | mahi | yeah it is disabled default |
| 13:01:02 | mahi | i enabled it manually |
| 13:01:12 | pondlife | OK, that's good |
| 13:01:26 | mahi | luv Rockbox :) |
| 13:01:26 | pondlife | Needs optimisation for iPod still.. |
| 13:01:36 | mahi | do you have tips ? |
| 13:01:53 | pondlife | Nope, or I'd do it. |
| 13:02:09 | mahi | :)) |
| 13:02:54 | pondlife | So... LinusN: did we suss out the H300 EEPROM corruption yet? I've only ever seen it once. Recording was suspected wasn't it? |
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| 13:05:06 | mahi | hey pondlife, can i change rockbox welcome logo |
| 13:05:15 | preglow | ahahahah |
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| 13:05:30 | preglow | this is just too silly for words |
| 13:05:43 | mahi | am not a geek :D |
| 13:05:44 | preglow | audiohw_set_mixer_vol isn't bloody implemented on wm8975 |
| 13:06:02 | preglow | no bloody wonder the volume changes |
| 13:06:04 | mahi | hey pondlife, can i change rockbox welcome logo |
| 13:06:09 | pondlife | mahi: If you want to.. .You'll need to look at the code |
| 13:06:27 | mahi | #-o, am a lazy dog :D, what ever, i wll check it out |
| 13:06:30 | pondlife | No idea how, but the source is all there for us to play with |
| 13:06:34 | JdGordon | dont even need to look at the code |
| 13:06:41 | JdGordon | there is a bmp you need to change |
| 13:06:45 | mahi | why not if there is a tool to edit splash screen |
| 13:07:04 | mahi | path?? JdGordon |
| 13:07:43 | JdGordon | apps/bitmaps/ |
| 13:07:50 | JdGordon | then depends on your target |
| 13:07:53 | pixelma | and then you to compile your own |
| 13:08:02 | pixelma | *need to |
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| 13:09:05 | pixelma | for Mini: rockboxlogo.138x46x2.bmp |
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| 13:19:01 | preglow | amiconn: it looks like the wm8975 mixer is after the tone controls, won't that make it unsuitable for prescaling? |
| 13:19:05 | preglow | since it's not really pre anymore |
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| 13:22:45 | JdGordon | austriancoder: tomorows the big day, aye? :) |
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| 13:24:54 | austriancoder | JdGordon: no.. its on the 9th :) |
| 13:25:56 | JdGordon | well.. umm... its almost the 8th here... so close enough to the th being tomorow :p |
| 13:26:12 | austriancoder | *g* okay |
| 13:27:37 | preglow | JdGordon: so, all the start screen options work now? |
| 13:27:50 | JdGordon | hopefully |
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| 13:28:23 | JdGordon | noone has mentioned anything else which needs attention.. (or reminindg if i've forgotten) |
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| 13:36:23 | pondlife | JdGordon : Shall I get testing .... ? ;p |
| 13:37:16 | JdGordon | no! |
| 13:37:21 | JdGordon | anyone but you :D |
| 13:37:30 | JdGordon | im busy with other parts of the code now :p |
| 13:37:31 | pondlife | lol... I'm just compiling now... |
| 13:37:58 | * | pondlife wonders if jhMikeS has a headache yet? |
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| 13:40:53 | * | JdGordon is scared he knows the answer already... _BUT_... |
| 13:41:08 | JdGordon | anyone not like this patch? jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/changes.patch">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/changes.patch |
| 13:41:26 | JdGordon | it replaces the old menu api with wrappers around the new api |
| 13:42:02 | linuxstb | Why is that needed? Shouldn't we just try and change all the old menus? |
| 13:42:24 | JdGordon | including all the plugin menus? |
| 13:42:28 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 13:42:38 | JdGordon | sure, but untill then, this shuold go in |
| 13:42:46 | JdGordon | shold save a few bytes... |
| 13:43:00 | amiconn | preglow: It seems that the WM8975 tone controls are meant to be used independently from the volume, similar to how it's done in the MAS3587F / MAS3539F |
| 13:43:07 | linuxstb | JdGordon: It just seems a waste of time to me... |
| 13:43:13 | amiconn | So no pre- or post-scaling should be applied |
| 13:43:23 | JdGordon | probably.. but its finished and working.. so that time is gone anyway :p |
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| 13:44:23 | GodEater_ | JdGordon: I like that argument ;) |
| 13:44:40 | preglow | tenthdb2mixer() seems to be just taken from the uda1380 driver.... |
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| 13:46:20 | JdGordon | LinusN: amiconn ? |
| 13:46:53 | JdGordon | drops 800 bytes from the v2 rec |
| 13:47:04 | JdGordon | so thats almost good enough reason to do it i tihnk :p |
| 13:47:56 | pondlife | Go for it, but don't go to bed until you're sure it's working properly :) |
| 13:49:03 | * | JdGordon better test voice :p |
| 13:49:20 | pondlife | Aha, a guilty conscience? |
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| 13:50:07 | amiconn | preglow: Basically, sound.c: set_prescaled_volume() should be ifdefed out for WM8975, and volume, treble and bass set directly in their respective set_* functions, without any interdependency |
| 13:50:43 | JdGordon | pondlife: no.. but tired |
| 13:51:34 | preglow | amiconn: then it looses the possibility to use sw tone controls |
| 13:51:43 | preglow | argh |
| 13:51:44 | preglow | i hate that mess |
| 13:52:17 | pondlife | Aren't sw tone controls only for players with no hardware tone control? |
| 13:52:42 | preglow | i use them for wm8975 too |
| 13:52:50 | preglow | since the bass/treble controls there are fairly limited |
| 13:53:11 | preglow | the real hardware values don't even map well onto the settings range rockbox currently uses |
| 13:53:22 | pondlife | OK, then why bother with the hardware controls? |
| 13:53:40 | * | pondlife is probably asking stupid questions |
| 13:54:09 | amiconn | preglow: +dB/-6dB is not sufficient? |
| 13:54:16 | amiconn | +9dB even |
| 13:55:21 | preglow | pondlife: they don't use as much battery, and are sometimes quite sufficient |
| 13:55:38 | preglow | amiconn: it's -6 db -> 9 db, and no, i don't really think that is sufficient |
| 13:55:46 | preglow | but i don't care much, i almost never use them |
| 13:56:09 | preglow | but it's my code, and i'd just like it if it could be enabled fairly easily on all platforms |
| 13:56:22 | preglow | but i should probably spend the time on something better |
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| 13:56:27 | preglow | but but but |
| 13:56:27 | pondlife | I'd go with hardware only. Having 2 sets of tone controls (plus EQ) is only going to confuse users. |
| 13:56:35 | preglow | pondlife: not two sets, just one set |
| 13:56:41 | preglow | pondlife: if you use sw tone controls, that's all you have |
| 13:56:57 | pondlife | OK, so using more battery then... |
| 13:56:59 | preglow | pondlife: they already in svn, so nothing new there |
| 13:57:12 | pondlife | That's ok, I thought you were proposing both being available. |
| 13:57:13 | preglow | pondlife: well, if you value sound quality more than battery life |
| 13:58:07 | pondlife | Depends entirely. I would personally always rate battery life above sound quality |
| 13:58:16 | amiconn | preglow: Still no biggie to allow for sw tone controls, just some more ifdefs |
| 13:58:17 | pondlife | But I use my DAP on the move |
| 13:58:47 | * | amiconn thinks -6 -> +9 dB is sufficient |
| 13:59:06 | preglow | how many of the other wm codecs should behave the same? |
| 13:59:14 | amiconn | I just need tone controls to account for fletcher-munson, because I use moderate listening volumes |
| 13:59:39 | amiconn | preglow: Don't know about the 8758; the others don't have hw tone controls anyway |
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| 14:00:26 | preglow | 8731l seems to be mostly identical to 8975 |
| 14:00:59 | amiconn | The 8731 doesn't have tone controls |
| 14:01:15 | preglow | yeah |
| 14:01:50 | preglow | it's still listed in set_prescaled_volume, though |
| 14:01:52 | preglow | i'll just gut it out |
| 14:02:51 | preglow | gigabeat's wm8751 is supposed to be the same, so i'll gut that out too |
| 14:03:17 | amiconn | Same for 8721 (and 8711), i.e. the minis |
| 14:03:50 | preglow | only 8758 left, then |
| 14:04:34 | preglow | and i'm willing to bet that's the same |
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| 14:08:33 | preglow | linuxstb: you know what datasheet you based the 8758 on? |
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| 14:15:07 | preglow | amiconn: the wm codecs that have tone controls seem to use 1.5 db increments, resulting in most of the values in rockbox being wrong |
| 14:15:15 | JdGordon | oh bluddy helll I even remebered to use the right type cast :'( |
| 14:15:54 | JdGordon | ah, what cast do we use for int > void* ? |
| 14:16:38 | preglow | the bass/treble settings only seems to use integers, though |
| 14:17:05 | preglow | i could extend them to use tenth db for all targets to fix |
| 14:18:13 | preglow | perhaps it would be just as good to pretend the the increment is 2db |
| 14:18:41 | preglow | it'll be completely wrong, of course... |
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| 14:19:22 | pondlife | JdGordon: Crash! |
| 14:19:29 | JdGordon | n burn! |
| 14:19:30 | JdGordon | where? |
| 14:19:45 | pondlife | In the H300 sim, go into the debug menu and press PLAY |
| 14:20:21 | pixelma | JdGordon: 64-bit warnings |
| 14:20:27 | pondlife | Also, I can get stuck in the menus still :( |
| 14:20:35 | JdGordon | pixelma: I know... what cast is needed there? |
| 14:20:54 | pixelma | don't ask me! :P |
| 14:21:15 | JdGordon | pondlife: dont press play there then :p |
| 14:21:59 | amiconn | preglow: Maybe we should go for tenth dB and have appropriate step sizes |
| 14:22:01 | pondlife | SEGFAULT. #0 0x6f696475 in ?? ()... |
| 14:22:01 | pondlife | #1 0x004069d9 in menu_run (m=0) at menu.c:727 |
| 14:22:01 | pondlife | #2 0x00403c69 in debug_menu () at debug_menu.c:2395 |
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| 14:22:49 | * | JdGordon is sleepy |
| 14:22:55 | JdGordon | I typed and instead of && :'( |
| 14:23:11 | pondlife | Night night, maybe it'll be better in the morning.. |
| 14:23:32 | amiconn | preglow: This would also finally allow to get rid of the val2phys business. |
| 14:23:46 | preglow | amiconn: yeah |
| 14:23:54 | amiconn | It was just introduced to keep the number of settings bits small, but now we don't use settings bits anymore |
| 14:24:36 | JdGordon | pondlife: fixed... |
| 14:24:43 | JdGordon | can someone please fix my warnings? |
| 14:24:47 | * | JdGordon falling asleep |
| 14:24:49 | JdGordon | gnite |
| 14:25:32 | preglow | amiconn: wouldn't you also say that setting lineout volume to 0 db belongs in the codec driver itself? |
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| 14:25:45 | preglow | right now it's done each time in set_prescaled_volume, apparently |
| 14:27:05 | preglow | bah, the balance logic is also in set_prescaled_volume |
| 14:27:09 | preglow | there's got to be a better way to do this |
| 14:27:15 | preglow | that treats all targets the same |
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| 14:27:37 | BigBambi | Any gigabeat devs around? |
| 14:30:12 | BigBambi | A general question about button assignments - is the idea to be more per target or more cross platform consistent? |
| 14:30:23 | amiconn | preglow: Umm, you're right. |
| 14:30:46 | amiconn | But you can't handle all targets the same. |
| 14:30:52 | BigBambi | I ask as I ave had a H1x0 for ages, and have just got a gigabeat - they have almost the same buttons in the same place, but function is swapped releative to each other |
| 14:30:59 | amiconn | Most have separate left volume and right volume, but the mas does not |
| 14:31:35 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, know, i was talking more code path wise, so that the same functions get called no matter how things need to be exactly called |
| 14:31:53 | preglow | this would also make it easier to treat the sim as just another case |
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| 14:40:42 | Moos | Hello there ! |
| 14:41:46 | Moos | preglow: KISS for your software tone controller, that's really rocks |
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| 14:44:31 | Moos | preglow: and about the range -24/+24, I'm with you, that's sound reasonnable for me too, just a little thing to note, when you changes values during playback, there are strange volume up/down, but that's not important, the result sound really good, thanks again |
| 14:44:41 | preglow | Moos: nothing i can do about that |
| 14:44:54 | preglow | Moos: it's a direct result of the mixed hardware/software result |
| 14:44:59 | preglow | ehh, s/result/approach/ |
| 14:45:17 | Moos | ok, that is nothing :) |
| 14:45:33 | preglow | Moos: jhMikeS is talking about implementing low-latency dsp. if that happens, the glitch will pretty much vanish |
| 14:45:59 | Moos | crazy jhMikeS ;) |
| 14:46:09 | preglow | like a fox |
| 14:46:16 | Moos | :-) |
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| 14:57:02 | * | amiconn thinks +/-12dB for tone controls are more than enough |
| 14:58:28 | preglow | probably |
| 14:58:37 | preglow | but a greater range seldom hurts |
| 14:59:03 | preglow | at least if anyone ask for more than +/-24 db, i'll just tell them to go away, heh |
| 14:59:18 | pondlife | Can I have +/- 30dB |
| 14:59:19 | pondlife | ? |
| 14:59:23 | preglow | go away!"¤ |
| 14:59:25 | pondlife | heh |
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| 14:59:58 | preglow | amiconn: i used +/-24 dB pretty much just because i could, it didn't change the fixed point format |
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| 15:00:15 | preglow | from what it would have been with +/- 12 dB, that is |
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| 15:01:09 | Moos | more precision (choice) we have, better that is imho |
| 15:01:48 | Moos | +/-24 is perfect here for a big user of basses |
| 15:02:55 | preglow | amiconn: i'll just hack sound.c to set prescaler to 0 for those targets for now |
| 15:03:05 | preglow | and see if i can think up a better way to do things |
| 15:05:37 | preglow | argh!!!! 3 usb hangs in a row |
| 15:07:23 | preglow | sweet lord, this is becoming so annoying |
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| 15:10:06 | preglow | the bass control really sucks |
| 15:10:16 | preglow | i think i'll use the high cutoff instead |
| 15:12:51 | LinusN | preglow: usb hang? |
| 15:13:03 | preglow | LinusN: when inserting usb, it just hangs on the logo |
| 15:13:29 | LinusN | platform? h120? |
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| 15:14:19 | preglow | LinusN: ipod *, i think |
| 15:14:31 | pondlife | LinusN: Committed that bootloader mod. Time for a new release? |
| 15:14:40 | preglow | LinusN: amiconn thinks it's a thread that doesn't behave |
| 15:14:54 | preglow | LinusN: i vaguely recollect having the same on h120, but might not be |
| 15:15:16 | pondlife | Maybe related to the disk access problem me and jhMikeS have seen? |
| 15:15:16 | LinusN | preglow: it usually is a misbehaving thread |
| 15:16:12 | LinusN | pondlife: perhaps |
| 15:17:01 | pondlife | Go on, make a new bootloader release, then we can close 2 bugs on Flyspray, including a 3.0 one! |
| 15:17:36 | LinusN | pondlife: i think we want to turn off the text output, don't we? |
| 15:17:52 | preglow | amiconn: with no prescaling the bass boost is bloody unusable |
| 15:17:54 | pondlife | Personally I prefer it. |
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| 15:18:12 | pondlife | But if it'll speed up boot then go for it |
| 15:18:56 | pondlife | Time for lunch, back in 20 |
| 15:19:34 | Moos | LinusN: while you are around, any chance you fix the LCD glich that we have at X5 start up? |
| 15:19:54 | Moos | causing by ane Gigabeat commit iirc |
| 15:20:01 | Moos | *caused |
| 15:23:16 | LinusN | i believe that is fixed in cvs |
| 15:23:19 | LinusN | svn |
| 15:23:40 | Moos | unfortunatly that isn't here with fresh clean svn :( |
| 15:24:08 | Moos | and I don't remenber to saw a commit in this way, but maybe I missed it? |
| 15:24:25 | LinusN | Moos: you see the glitch with the svn bootloader? |
| 15:24:48 | Moos | no, the V2 one, I never build bootloader myself |
| 15:24:54 | amiconn | The lcd glitch isn't fixed in svn. And it's not only the X5, but also e.g. the H300 |
| 15:25:02 | Moos | ouch :( |
| 15:25:25 | Moos | isn't just few commit lines to revert? |
| 15:26:03 | LinusN | amiconn: i'm pretty sure i fixed it when i split the bootloader source files |
| 15:26:25 | Moos | LinusN: then a V3 is comming? |
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| 15:27:02 | * | amiconn isn't sure whether we're talking about the same glitch |
| 15:27:10 | Moos | at start? |
| 15:27:22 | Moos | during rockbox logo? |
| 15:27:27 | LinusN | hmmm, maybe i'm silly, it's not about the bootloader...... |
| 15:27:44 | Moos | isn't about firmware.c? |
| 15:27:59 | LinusN | it's about the startup order in main.c iirc |
| 15:28:27 | LinusN | ah yes |
| 15:28:31 | Moos | I'm trying to remenber which commit precisely caused this |
| 15:28:37 | LinusN | so it has little to do with the bootloader |
| 15:28:40 | Moos | find out? |
| 15:28:59 | LinusN | it's caused by slasheris cosmetic fix for the flashed iriver |
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| 15:30:00 | LinusN | which works fine for the h100 series but bad for those targets that turn off the lcd when the backlight is off |
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| 15:32:30 | amiconn | The backlight also behaves ugly on my mini g2 |
| 15:32:42 | amiconn | That's since the same commit iirc |
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| 15:33:37 | preglow | it behaves ugly during shutdown on nano, but i guess that's something else |
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| 15:36:33 | LinusN | let's revert that main.c change and let Slasheri do it correctly |
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| 15:37:02 | preglow | agreed |
| 15:37:08 | LinusN | committing in a sec |
| 15:37:27 | amiconn | preglow: The shutdown ugliness is also present on the mini |
| 15:38:12 | webguest61 | Hi, I know it is boring you, but I'm standing just before the question to buy me a 60GB or the 80GB ipod and I want to know that is the actual status on the 80GB version of RockBox? |
| 15:38:46 | * | amiconn points at LinusN |
| 15:38:49 | LinusN | webguest61: the 80GB is not functional yet |
| 15:38:54 | preglow | amiconn: backlight fades on and off several times here |
| 15:39:30 | webguest61 | not yet is OK, but will it or nether |
| 15:40:08 | preglow | it's in the works |
| 15:40:15 | XavierGr | preglow: didn't you say that in order for rtc to work on H300 Linus has to fix something on the bootloader? |
| 15:40:26 | preglow | XavierGr: yeah, but that may have been done, i can't remember |
| 15:41:09 | preglow | after that it should just be a case of merging the already very similar drivers and adding a sprinkling of #define HAVE_RTC_ALARM |
| 15:41:57 | Moos | LinusN, amiconn: wa don't have yet RTC_ALARM on X5 yet, right? |
| 15:42:07 | preglow | the same applies there |
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| 15:44:57 | LinusN | Moos: no |
| 15:45:44 | LinusN | webguest61: it will be fixed, once i manage to find the time and will to continue working on it |
| 15:46:07 | Moos | LinusN: is it an hardware issue? |
| 15:46:17 | LinusN | Moos: the 80GB? |
| 15:46:38 | Moos | hehe, no the rtc alarm for iaudios :) |
| 15:46:53 | LinusN | it is a bootloader thing |
| 15:47:02 | Moos | ah ok |
| 15:47:12 | LinusN | and a simple one too |
| 15:47:31 | Moos | good to know :-) |
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| 15:57:48 | amiconn | hrmph |
| 15:57:56 | LinusN | amiconn: ? |
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| 16:02:52 | * | amiconn wonders whether people will ever learn that sizeof(int) == sizeof(void*) is not always true |
| 16:03:23 | LinusN | ah that one |
| 16:03:25 | LinusN | 14.24.43 # <JdGordon> can someone please fix my warnings? |
| 16:03:25 | LinusN | 14.24.47 # * JdGordon falling asleep |
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| 16:11:22 | preglow | amiconn: well, how would it be best to convert from int to void* ? |
| 16:11:50 | amiconn | Either don't use int but intptr_t, or double cast |
| 16:12:37 | preglow | intptr_t would be the best, i don't think i can be bothered to do that big a fix when it's not my bug |
| 16:12:46 | amiconn | The warning us there to make sure the programmer knows what he is doing |
| 16:12:58 | amiconn | s/us/is/ |
| 16:13:27 | preglow | doing a (void*)(intptr_t) works fine |
| 16:13:43 | preglow | should i jsut commit that for now? |
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| 16:15:33 | petur | can somebody confirm that h1x0 recording from digital can do 16bit/48kHz |
| 16:15:37 | pondlife | Is there any way to perform a 64-bit style compile in a 32-bit environment (i.e to check for these things) |
| 16:15:58 | preglow | petur: i've done it |
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| 16:16:07 | petur | preglow: thanks |
| 16:16:10 | preglow | petur: shouldn't spdif recording do whatever you throw at it? |
| 16:16:31 | austriancoder | petur: hi.. its me Christian from the mail |
| 16:16:37 | preglow | pondlife: well, i think you could do parts of it |
| 16:16:37 | petur | I wasn't sure, but I thought it should |
| 16:17:10 | bluebrother | hmm. What's the exact use of intptr_t anyway? |
| 16:17:18 | pondlife | preglow: I was wondering if there was any compiler option to assume 64 bit? |
| 16:17:21 | preglow | petur: spdif should be able to do whatever you throw at it, since the clock is taken from the spdif signal itself. the tagged sample rate might be wrong if you use something too esoteric or the word clock is too far away from where it should be, though |
| 16:17:29 | preglow | pondlife: -m64 |
| 16:17:39 | pondlife | Wooh, I'll check that with the borked menu.c. |
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| 16:17:53 | preglow | pondlife: don't expect to be able to link, but compiles should work |
| 16:18:00 | petur | hi austriancoder |
| 16:18:01 | pondlife | That's all I need |
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| 16:18:37 | pondlife | Nope. My gcc just gives "sorry, unimplemented: 64-bit mode not compiled in" |
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| 16:19:01 | petur | austriancoder: Sorry to turn the request down, I'm just not up to it atm |
| 16:19:17 | * | petur runs away again - damn work |
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| 16:23:27 | preglow | amiconn: why do some of the mas chips have bass and treble defaults set to anything else than 0 ? |
| 16:23:44 | preglow | as a matter of fact, it looks like that's the case for all of them |
| 16:24:36 | amiconn | yes it is |
| 16:24:49 | XavierGr | yeah I just encountered that with my ondio |
| 16:25:19 | XavierGr | I checked the newly rockboxed booted ondio and it had other values instead of 0 on the bass and treble settings |
| 16:26:23 | preglow | amiconn: but why? |
| 16:27:17 | amiconn | This is ooold, and afaik it is to make rockbox sound 'better' by default |
| 16:27:36 | amiconn | I guess it just mimics the retailos default |
| 16:27:56 | amiconn | It's been like that even before I joined the project |
| 16:28:05 | preglow | hm, ok |
| 16:28:22 | preglow | but yeah, i'm going to make the values tenthdb by default |
| 16:28:34 | amiconn | I have no strong opinion on these defaults, maybe they should just be 0 |
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| 16:29:05 | preglow | i'd say we just keep them as it is |
| 16:29:20 | preglow | if that's what people are used to and all |
| 16:29:23 | pondlife | No-one has complained about them... |
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| 16:33:11 | * | GodEater_ wonders if dan_a is paying attention |
| 16:35:02 | amiconn | preglow: Rather colourful size diff line... |
| 16:36:20 | GodEater_ | what's a good EAC equivalent on *nix ? |
| 16:36:26 | preglow | amiconn: heh, yeah, i already knew it'd gain a bit for coldfire but forgot to check arm |
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| 16:37:13 | preglow | depends on HAVE_SW_TONE_CONTROLS too, yes |
| 16:37:14 | amiconn | preglow: Looks like it's a gain for sw tone control targets |
| 16:37:35 | preglow | yeah, they have one filter design routine less |
| 16:37:58 | preglow | i mainly just did that commit for cleaner code |
| 16:38:08 | preglow | having two almost identical functions bothers me |
| 16:38:47 | preglow | if i didn't have to keep the crossfeed sound the same as before, it'd be a bit smaller on all targets |
| 16:39:35 | * | amiconn thinks that this delta table is very useful even for targets where we don't need to squeeze out every byte |
| 16:40:16 | preglow | i think the table is great |
| 16:40:29 | amiconn | It also shows whether only expected changes happen, e.g. when adding swcodec code, archos bin sizes should stay the same etc |
| 16:40:32 | preglow | it's always interesting to see how your code affects each target |
| 16:40:41 | preglow | yeaj |
| 16:40:45 | preglow | yeah, even |
| 16:41:47 | amiconn | It also shows that ucl compression sometimes reacts funny on size changes; sometimes the delta for recorders is bigger than e.g. for fm recorders, or it goes in the opposite direction |
| 16:48:55 | preglow | what's the SOUND_LEFT_GAIN and SOUND_RIGHT_GAIN defines in sound.c do? input gain? |
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| 16:50:27 | amiconn | SOUND_LEFT_GAIN, SOUND_RIGHT_GAIN and SOUND_MIC_GAIN are for recording |
| 16:50:30 | preglow | they and mic gain is everything that's done in val2phys anyway |
| 16:50:49 | amiconn | yes |
| 16:50:59 | preglow | hmm |
| 16:51:07 | preglow | you're probably going to need to test this patch a lot before i commit |
| 16:51:13 | preglow | can't test any of this mas stuff |
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| 16:57:00 | Moos | is someone with svn access can commit this francais.lang update please: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6755 ? |
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| 16:58:57 | |Rincewind| | GodEater: you could try "abcde" I think it has a paranoia mode |
| 16:59:33 | GodEater_ | |Rincewind|: In the gap between asking the question and your answer, I've done a little research, and it seems cdparanoia is the way to go for the rip |
| 16:59:48 | |Rincewind| | I haven't done any cd ripping on linux, yet. One of the few reasons to boot into Win again - EAC for ripping and foobar2k and mp3tag for organizing |
| 16:59:57 | preglow | amiconn: we're going to need phys2val if we remove val2phys, won't we? |
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| 17:00:01 | amiconn | If you want it graphical, you could use grip. It has cdparanoia built in |
| 17:00:25 | GodEater_ | I'm not bothered about the front end |
| 17:00:36 | GodEater_ | I'd personally use extrackt if I was |
| 17:01:13 | bluebrother | |Rincewind|: abcde simply uses cdparanoia (or cdda2wav), so you have everything cdparanoia supplies |
| 17:01:15 | |Rincewind| | GodEater_: Have you find out if cdparanoia runs fast with Plextor drives? |
| 17:01:35 | GodEater_ | |Rincewind|: I haven't because I don't own one |
| 17:01:40 | bluebrother | it does. |
| 17:02:02 | bluebrother | at least it did with my old plextor burner, but I haven't used that drive for quite a while |
| 17:02:06 | |Rincewind| | in EAC there was this nice option to use the internal plextor C2 checking for secure rip |
| 17:02:12 | GodEater_ | this will by first foray into speex - going to be encoding the complete Hitchiker's Guide radio scripts this evening |
| 17:02:33 | GodEater_ | |Rincewind|: is that the Q sub-channel stuff to keep track of the TOC ? |
| 17:02:33 | amiconn | preglow: I don't think so. We should rather add set functions for these, like those we have for the other settings |
| 17:03:03 | GodEater_ | |Rincewind|: if so - that won't be in cdparanoia until paranoia IV - due anytime now |
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| 17:03:47 | |Rincewind| | never heard of Q-sub-channel |
| 17:04:03 | bluebrother | Moos: done. |
| 17:04:08 | GodEater_ | |Rincewind|: http://www.xiph.org/paranoia/faq.html#play |
| 17:04:31 | GodEater_ | |Rincewind|: read the rant at the bottom of the answer |
| 17:05:16 | amiconn | And the sound_set_* functions should imho be part of the respective audio codec driver if it's a hwcodec target |
| 17:05:17 | GodEater_ | what that all boils down to is "reading CD Audio as data is not easy" (tm) |
| 17:05:18 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, but those set functions will need to convert from physical value to device value anyway, so we're not actually getting rid of any code |
| 17:05:21 | Moos | bluebrother: merci ;) |
| 17:05:53 | amiconn | This should also allow to redirect them to the sw tone controls for the sim, but with the respective hw tone control ranges |
| 17:06:25 | amiconn | preglow: Maybe, but at least it gets cleaner on the app layer |
| 17:06:51 | |Rincewind| | reading the rant, I assume that EAC uses Q-subchannel for the Detect Gaps feature, not the actual ripping |
| 17:08:15 | |Rincewind| | "Can cdparanoia detect pregaps? Can it remove the two second gaps between tracks |
| 17:08:15 | |Rincewind| | Not yet. This feature is slated to appear in Paranoia IV." That is almost a show-stopper for me. |
| 17:08:31 | preglow | amiconn: why isn't the mas code moved to the target tree, btw? |
| 17:08:34 | GodEater_ | stick to EAC then =/ |
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| 17:09:07 | amiconn | preglow: That would be wrong. The mas code is chip dependent, not taret dependent |
| 17:09:41 | preglow | true |
| 17:09:41 | XavierGr | amiconn: is there any known limitation as to why other grayscale targets don't have the videoplayer plugin? |
| 17:09:55 | bluebrother | I ripped all my CDs using cdparanoia and didn't discover any problems |
| 17:10:23 | GodEater_ | bluebrother: I'm also not blessed (or cursed) with golden ear drums, so I fully expect it to be fine |
| 17:10:31 | amiconn | XavierGr: The limitation is that swcodec needs libmad linked to the video player, and no-one ever looked into this to make it happen |
| 17:10:52 | amiconn | Wett started, but then vanished from irc and didn't publish his wip |
| 17:11:09 | bluebrother | the pregap is something the recorder decides to put into the CD structure, so I don't see a reason of removing that −− if they decide to put those gaps in they usually have a reason. |
| 17:11:49 | GodEater_ | I'm not sure I even understand what a pregap is |
| 17:11:57 | XavierGr | amiconn:what about only rendering the video and ignore the audio stream? |
| 17:12:26 | bluebrother | you can even use the pregap to embed hidden tracks ;) |
| 17:12:38 | |Rincewind| | bluebrother: true, on most cds the gaps are intentional, But there are some cds where I prefer to rip without gaps |
| 17:13:01 | bluebrother | the CDs I want to rip without gaps are mastered to not include those gaps. |
| 17:13:03 | GodEater_ | |Rincewind|: just take them out afterwards with audacity or something ;) |
| 17:13:21 | bluebrother | So I don't see a reason changing something the guys that made the CD added intentional |
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| 17:13:38 | |Rincewind| | well, postprocessing with audacity is overkill and results in much work |
| 17:13:59 | GodEater_ | pansy, where's your commitment ? ;) |
| 17:14:18 | amiconn | XavierGr: Should be relatively easy; but the toolchain for making rvf also needs adjusting |
| 17:14:38 | amiconn | Different resolutions, and more important, different internal lcd refresh rates |
| 17:14:54 | |Rincewind| | bluebrother: on compilation cds I like to leave the gaps out, because they are not part of the song. And then there is the case when I get a burned cd from a friend with added gaps |
| 17:15:07 | amiconn | If the refresh rate doesn't match, it starts to flicker horribly |
| 17:15:21 | preglow | would you say range checking in the set_* functions is necessary? |
| 17:15:33 | amiconn | For the greyscale ipods the pixel format also needs to be different |
| 17:15:35 | preglow | they really shouldn't ever be outside the range in the settings struct |
| 17:15:49 | bluebrother | ... and possibly these compilation CDs are made from bad mp3 files or whatever ... I prefer the original CDs for maximum quality :) |
| 17:15:56 | amiconn | (horizontal packing instead of vertical) |
| 17:16:35 | amiconn | XavierGr: And btw, greyscale video with no audio isn't really fun. |
| 17:16:36 | bluebrother | too much work for audio material that might be of doubtable source quality |
| 17:16:43 | |Rincewind| | true, original is always better, but not always affordable |
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| 17:18:50 | bluebrother | but if I don't know if the source is good I don't want to spend time on quality that might not be present at all |
| 17:19:57 | |Rincewind| | well, putting the cd in the drive, starting EAC, hitting F4 and then ripping isn't much time spent |
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| 17:20:45 | preglow | amiconn: audiohw_set_bass() and co should take tenthdb arguments, or? currentlysome take native args, some take db |
| 17:22:58 | bluebrother | booting windows only for the purpose of ripping a CD is wasted time :P |
| 17:24:23 | GodEater_ | bluebrother: there's always vmware |
| 17:24:43 | bluebrother | GodEater_: sure, but that won't work with direct hardware access. |
| 17:25:03 | bluebrother | for everything else I have a VirtualBox image running w2k |
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| 17:29:16 | GodEater_ | I looked at ReactOS today |
| 17:29:25 | GodEater_ | nice idea, but far from mature |
| 17:29:57 | preglow | amiconn: everything looks a bit uglier with all the .0 dB now, though :/ |
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| 17:32:05 | Moos | bye all, have a good day or whatever |
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| 17:32:27 | preglow | amiconn: also, wps makes assumptions about how the format of the volume variable, that swine |
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| 17:48:22 | preglow | volume fading is in gwps-common.c ... |
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| 18:35:57 | amiconn | wow |
| 18:36:29 | * | amiconn wonders how people are able to apply that kind of raw force to an electronic device :/ |
| 18:37:05 | * | amiconn received the defective Ondio he got from ebay |
| 18:37:42 | preglow | haha |
| 18:37:44 | amiconn | It's not the kind of defect I expected, but a very different one that leaves raw force as the only possible cause |
| 18:37:44 | preglow | what happened to it? |
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| 18:38:15 | amiconn | The flash rom (which is located "under" the MMC slot) was stripped from the board |
| 18:38:41 | amiconn | Not the mass storage flash but the firmware flash |
| 18:39:07 | amiconn | The only explanation is that someone tried to force an SD card into the slot, while the manual clearly says it's an MMC slot |
| 18:39:14 | amiconn | (and MMC *only*) |
| 18:39:31 | pondlife | Go on, push harder, you know it'll fit |
| 18:39:49 | preglow | hahaha |
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| 18:39:57 | amiconn | It's also not the kind of Ondio as advertised on ebay, but a better one |
| 18:40:11 | pondlife | amiconn - the digital coroner |
| 18:40:12 | amiconn | The auction said it's an SP, but in fact it's an old-type Ondio FM |
| 18:40:39 | amiconn | (the one with the Samsung tuner and just "Ondio 128" written on the front) |
| 18:41:12 | preglow | amiconn: you think i should make the settings formatter drop the .0 if it's not needed? the volume settings look uglier with all the x.0 dB |
| 18:41:12 | amiconn | If the board is not too damaged, I might be able to salvage it by resoldering the flash |
| 18:41:25 | amiconn | Somewhat tricky because it's a TSOP32... |
| 18:41:51 | amiconn | Even if that's not possible, it's still a resource for spare parts |
| 18:42:12 | amiconn | Only cost me EUR1.50 (plus 4.50 for shipment) |
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| 18:42:50 | dpmarsh | helloooooo |
| 18:42:51 | amiconn | preglow: Hmm... |
| 18:44:22 | preglow | amiconn: i also hack all the audiohw_set_* to take tenthdb format variables now so most of the conversion doesn't need to take place in sound.c |
| 18:44:55 | amiconn | Hmm. Then you could directly link the audiohw_* functions in sound.c for hw controls |
| 18:44:58 | dpmarsh | is there anyone here who authorize my TWiki account to be able to upload a WPS? |
| 18:45:08 | preglow | amiconn: no, prescaling |
| 18:45:23 | amiconn | Ah, ok |
| 18:45:24 | preglow | amiconn: i probably can for some targets, though |
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| 18:45:29 | preglow | but i'll see later |
| 18:45:44 | amiconn | Yes, at least for MAS35xxF |
| 18:45:54 | amiconn | (not the D) |
| 18:45:57 | preglow | it's not very sim friendly, though |
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| 18:46:11 | amiconn | true |
| 18:46:29 | amiconn | We could probably go with a (target-only) #define for certain targets |
| 18:46:58 | preglow | yeah |
| 18:47:47 | amiconn | Re the Ondio: This must be the explanation, because the metal "hood" of the MMC slot is bent as well |
| 18:49:32 | preglow | i bet the seller feels really clever |
| 18:49:40 | pondlife | lol |
| 18:51:51 | preglow | amiconn: dropping .0 for integers looks better when all entries are integers, but kind of messy for mixed lists, like how bass/treble is for wm8975 now |
| 18:52:04 | preglow | amiconn: but i guess that's better than forcing .0 on everything else just because of that one codec chip |
| 18:52:36 | amiconn | Yes, probably |
| 18:52:53 | amiconn | We could go for 0.5dB steps on MAS35xxF |
| 18:52:58 | amiconn | (treble & bass) |
| 18:53:02 | preglow | kinda useless, if you ask me |
| 18:53:05 | preglow | but why not |
| 18:53:20 | amiconn | It can even do 0.125dB steps, but that'd be overkill |
| 18:53:46 | preglow | 0.5 dB is the very edge case for overkill |
| 18:53:56 | amiconn | yes |
| 18:54:01 | preglow | most people can't hear 0.5 db changes in treble or bass |
| 18:54:23 | amiconn | By definition, 1dB changes are "barely noticeable" |
| 18:54:29 | pondlife | Does gui_syncsplash display on all screens (i.e. the remotes too)? |
| 18:54:42 | amiconn | yes, |
| 18:55:10 | preglow | amiconn: there is something called adaptive bass for 8975, i wonder if that might be better than the db control |
| 18:55:15 | preglow | i think i'll try it out |
| 18:57:15 | preglow | it doesn't clip as much, no |
| 18:57:27 | preglow | think i'll stick with the other ones, easier to document |
| 18:59:18 | Lear | pondlife: that's what the "sync" part means. |
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| 19:00:44 | pondlife | Of course |
| 19:00:47 | * | preglow wonders what the intval parameter to get_tag() in gwps-common.c is for |
| 19:03:37 | preglow | amiconn: stuff like all the tables and tendth2reg() for mas3507d doesn't really belong in sound.c, imo |
| 19:04:35 | amiconn | No, it would belong to a mas3507d driver |
| 19:04:46 | amiconn | But such doesn't exist yet |
| 19:05:45 | Lear | preglow: primarily for the "enums". |
| 19:06:21 | preglow | Lear: intval? |
| 19:06:41 | preglow | amiconn: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/sound_param_range.patch |
| 19:06:50 | preglow | that's what i have so far |
| 19:07:03 | preglow | only done volume/bass/treble related stuff yet |
| 19:07:03 | Lear | preglow: yes. |
| 19:07:22 | preglow | what are these enums? :> |
| 19:07:49 | dpmarsh | is there anyone here who can authorize my TWiki account to be able to upload a WPS? |
| 19:08:48 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:09:21 | Lear | In a .wps file, you can write something like %?bl<Unknown|Empty|Not empty> (or use images...). |
| 19:09:38 | Lear | That would display "Empty" or "Not empty" for the battery level... |
| 19:09:44 | preglow | then i wonder what the volume tag uses it for |
| 19:09:49 | preglow | ah, right |
| 19:09:50 | preglow | get it |
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| 19:11:44 | dpmarsh | Volumne: %?pv<0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10> |
| 19:11:56 | dpmarsh | the returned value is spread across the values between < > |
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| 19:12:49 | pixelma | dpmarsh: I guess you are DavidMarsh? |
| 19:12:53 | dpmarsh | yes |
| 19:14:40 | pixelma | try now - should work but I've never done that before.... |
| 19:14:51 | dpmarsh | oh cool. thx. i'll give it a try |
| 19:15:28 | pondlife | "Committing database: [8/7]" |
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| 19:15:53 | pondlife | The 7 is hard-coded, is there somewhere else I could get that from? |
| 19:16:05 | pixelma | pondlife: I've already told Slasheri |
| 19:16:26 | pondlife | Yes, but I'm reusing that code for a patch.. just wondered |
| 19:16:45 | pondlife | Got a nice database auto-making thingy going on here for root_menu.c. |
| 19:17:25 | pondlife | And I'm making these non-LANGed strings LANGed. |
| 19:18:24 | pixelma | ah ok |
| 19:18:41 | pondlife | Actually that one is langed... bad example. |
| 19:19:13 | dpmarsh | i think that worked i can edit now. thx |
| 19:20:31 | pixelma | np - and don't spam ;) |
| 19:23:10 | nls | pondlife: in FS #6691 you asked me to run the sim under gdb. Care to guide me or opint me to some simple instructions, I have never used it before. |
| 19:25:10 | pondlife | OK. Have you built a sim yet? |
| 19:25:36 | pondlife | I only have experience under Cygwin too, note. |
| 19:25:43 | nls | soon :-) building now |
| 19:26:53 | nls | ok, done |
| 19:27:02 | pondlife | OK, do you now have a rockboxui.exe ? |
| 19:27:16 | nls | nope, i'm on linux |
| 19:27:31 | pondlife | Aha, so I don't know from here... ;) |
| 19:27:53 | nls | I have a rockboxui executable tho... |
| 19:28:00 | pondlife | OK, try this.. |
| 19:28:07 | pondlife | gdb rockboxui |
| 19:28:56 | nls | ok, it says (gdb) in the terminal window, but the sim didn't pop up |
| 19:29:01 | pondlife | Good. |
| 19:29:03 | pondlife | Now type run |
| 19:29:19 | nls | ok, seems to work |
| 19:29:28 | pondlife | OK. Now learn gdb! |
| 19:30:06 | pondlife | Some useful commands to look up: bt, break, continue, next |
| 19:32:18 | amiconn | Not repairable. 11 out of 32 pads were ripped off the board, there is nothing I could solder 11 of the chip leads to :( |
| 19:32:38 | pondlife | Hmm, violence. |
| 19:33:52 | dan_a | GodEater: You were after me earlier? |
| 19:39:13 | XavierGr | amiconn: how much did you paid for it? |
| 19:39:22 | amiconn | EUR 1.50 |
| 19:39:37 | amiconn | It was explicitly sold as "defective, doesn't power on anymore" |
| 19:39:37 | XavierGr | Then I guess it is a "Rest in piece Onio". |
| 19:40:07 | amiconn | I wanted to have a look whether it can be revived, and if not, it's still good for spare parts |
| 19:40:33 | amiconn | I could also take the tuner board and try to convert my SP into an FM |
| 19:40:39 | pixelma | XavierGr: you mean "pieces" ;) |
| 19:40:46 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 19:40:53 | XavierGr | damn I typed piece? |
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| 19:41:26 | pondlife | If I add a LANG block to english.lang, I don't need to add it to the other .lang files, do I? |
| 19:41:32 | amiconn | XavierGr: Btw, did you get an old style or new style FM? |
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| 19:42:15 | Fullmetal | hi |
| 19:42:35 | amiconn | Hmm, SP->FM conversion isn't that trivial. I would have to swap the MAS as well |
| 19:42:37 | Fullmetal | hi |
| 19:42:56 | amiconn | I could make a special "Ondio SP with radio" |
| 19:43:24 | amiconn | I could even make it record, but only to wav, not mp3 |
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| 19:43:36 | |Rincewind| | I am trying to use gdb with rockbox sim under Emacs. Does anyone have experience with this? |
| 19:46:26 | XavierGr | amiconn: what do I need to look in order to understand if it is an old style FM? |
| 19:47:03 | amiconn | Info->Debug->View HW info, then check the mask value |
| 19:47:19 | amiconn | 0x0708 would be old style, 0x0F08 new style |
| 19:48:08 | dpmarsh | pixelma: whatever you did worked, my theme has been uploaded. thanks |
| 19:50:23 | DataGhost | hey how is 5.5G 80GB support for rockbox going? |
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| 19:54:03 | preglow | isn't 1% resolution for stereo width a bit overkill? |
| 19:54:06 | preglow | 5% sounds better |
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| 19:55:58 | Lear | Sounds resonable, but then I don' use it. |
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| 20:00:38 | pondlife | Anyone mind if I commit a bit of code to initialise the database automatically if the user selects Database from the main menu? |
| 20:01:05 | Kasperle | think that's a good idea? |
| 20:01:09 | preglow | amiconn: what do you say? is 5% good enough? |
| 20:01:10 | Kasperle | that takes a couple of minutes |
| 20:01:20 | pondlife | It's a background process |
| 20:01:37 | Kasperle | pondlife: but it will not be useful to the user |
| 20:01:39 | pondlife | Just like the current stuff, but automated |
| 20:01:51 | pondlife | It leads them through the process |
| 20:01:56 | Kasperle | unless you output a message "initializing now, check back later" |
| 20:01:58 | Kasperle | ah |
| 20:01:59 | pondlife | No |
| 20:02:24 | pondlife | I put a counter up displaying progress (# of files) and allow them to exit with the stop key |
| 20:02:48 | Kasperle | that sounds quite excellent to me, then :) |
| 20:02:55 | pondlife | They can come back in and it will show them the counter, then prompt them to reboot if needed. |
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| 20:03:24 | pondlife | I'm hoping we can then scrap the seperate initialise option later, so it won't be pure bloat ;) |
| 20:05:26 | amiconn | Separate initialise option isn't bloat. It's necessary if you want a clean rebuild |
| 20:05:42 | |Rincewind| | but it should ask "would like to init database now?" fist |
| 20:05:55 | pondlife | OK |
| 20:05:59 | pondlife | Why? |
| 20:05:59 | amiconn | Auto-update doesn't remove entries when database is not in ram |
| 20:06:04 | |Rincewind| | I don't want the database created if I accidentally select the wrong entry in root menu |
| 20:06:15 | pondlife | As a non-database user you mean? |
| 20:06:15 | amiconn | And on some targets, putting it in ram isn't available |
| 20:06:38 | ompaul | pondlife, what is that DB for? |
| 20:06:44 | * | ompaul knows where it is |
| 20:07:10 | amiconn | In fact, removing stale entries in auto-update only works with both dircache enabled and the db loaded into ram |
| 20:07:19 | amiconn | (iirc) |
| 20:07:21 | ompaul | it is not obvious what I should be using it for - I only have the root menu a few days (iaudio) and no idea what it is for |
| 20:07:32 | pondlife | Don't worry, I'm not going to remove the init option. |
| 20:07:55 | pondlife | Just make the process a bit simpler for users, hopefully. |
| 20:08:08 | |Rincewind| | pondlife: yes, I don't use the database at the moment, so I wouldn't want to have it build accidentally |
| 20:08:43 | Kasperle | ompaul: it's for browsing your music by artist/album etc, regardless of your filesystem layout |
| 20:08:59 | ompaul | ahh nice |
| 20:09:04 | Kasperle | ompaul: the information is collected from id3 (and other types of?) tags in the music files |
| 20:09:32 | Kasperle | very useful if you have an ipod and the music is still in that horrible itunes db format |
| 20:09:39 | ompaul | okay, so if I have the disk space it would be interesting for it to auto gen |
| 20:09:50 | pondlife | After a prompt, yes |
| 20:10:21 | preglow | amiconn: do you think 5% step for stereo width is enough? 1% isn't really necessary, imo |
| 20:10:47 | amiconn | The database doesn't take that much disk space |
| 20:10:52 | amiconn | preglow: perhaps |
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| 20:11:53 | ompaul | is there a "plan" for features on rockbox? |
| 20:11:59 | ompaul | or is it more adhoc |
| 20:12:02 | XavierGr | amiconn: old style |
| 20:12:24 | XavierGr | amiconn: and btw there is no longer info->debug path |
| 20:12:31 | XavierGr | info is replaced with system |
| 20:12:36 | amiconn | ? |
| 20:13:03 | linuxstb_ | pondlife: What you're doing sounds good, but I agree with |Rincewind| that it shouldn't be 100% automatic - I also don't use the database, and don't want to accidentally start it initialising. |
| 20:13:20 | XavierGr | amiconn: with the root menu patch the name changed |
| 20:13:25 | amiconn | AH, hmm, deutsch.lang still calls it Info |
| 20:13:29 | XavierGr | ah |
| 20:13:45 | XavierGr | so is there any drawback that I have the old style ondio FM? |
| 20:14:48 | amiconn | The new style has a significantly better fm tuner |
| 20:15:34 | amiconn | Other than that, there are no user-noticeable differences |
| 20:15:43 | XavierGr | ah that's why the reception is bad on my ondio? |
| 20:15:52 | |Rincewind| | amiconn: In the current svn build I run I have it called "System" in Deutsch.lang |
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| 20:16:34 | dionoea | hello |
| 20:16:41 | amiconn | |Rincewind|: Okay, the build on my Ondio is 5 days old, maybe it was changed in between |
| 20:16:54 | pondlife | linuxstb_: No, I'm putting a yesno up to prompt before init |
| 20:20:26 | amiconn | XavierGr: The old style Ondio FM has the same Samsung tuner as the FM recorder, which is more sensitive to electronic interference. |
| 20:20:57 | amiconn | Archos tried to improve the situation by applying lots of brass shielding |
| 20:21:25 | pondlife | Brass, not quite as dense as lead |
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| 20:21:31 | amiconn | The new style has the same philips tuner chip as the irivers, and that delivers clear reception without any special shielding |
| 20:21:47 | XavierGr | ok then all that is left for my ondio to be perfected is to flash it :P |
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| 20:22:43 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ArchosOndio |
| 20:24:14 | amiconn | Yours is like the right one in the 3 side-by-side pcb comparisons |
| 20:26:20 | nls | pondlife: I thik gdb is trying to tell me the sim craches in the synth_full function in synth.c in libmad... |
| 20:26:41 | nls | line 984 |
| 20:26:57 | amiconn | nls: are you on amd64? |
| 20:27:04 | nls | amiconn: yes |
| 20:27:09 | amiconn | That's the reason then |
| 20:27:35 | amiconn | Rockbox' libmad has an optimisation that is known to break on 64 bit systems |
| 20:28:07 | amiconn | I know where it breaks and why, but fixing it will take some work |
| 20:28:08 | nls | amiconn: could you add what you know to FS #6691? |
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| 20:28:23 | amiconn | Fixing it without reverting the optimisation, tht is |
| 20:29:08 | pondlife | nls: Did you see that bug where audio output runs at half speed after MIDI has been played? |
| 20:29:41 | nls | pondlife: haven't tested midi placyback, was it on target or in the sim? |
| 20:29:45 | Lear | Yay! make voice seems to work. |
| 20:29:51 | pondlife | Only does it on target. |
| 20:29:59 | linuxstb_ | I think midi sets playback frequency to 22.050KHz... |
| 20:30:09 | nls | ok, will try to test later but gtg now |
| 20:30:27 | pondlife | Something should reset it to 41kHz ;) |
| 20:30:53 | preglow | or even better, 44.1khz! |
| 20:31:01 | pondlife | DOH ! Yes :) |
| 20:31:05 | preglow | heh |
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| 20:31:38 | preglow | linuxstb_: yoes, what data sheet did you base the wm8758 driver on? |
| 20:32:08 | XavierGr | hmm my ondio says ONdio 128 on it but not FM |
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| 20:34:27 | amiconn | XavierGr: Old style FMs are like that |
| 20:34:39 | amiconn | As long as it doesn't say SP it's an FM |
| 20:35:09 | linuxstb_ | preglow: It says in the comment at the top of wm8758.c :) |
| 20:35:26 | preglow | really now ... |
| 20:35:42 | linuxstb_ | Right underneath the lovely ascii-art. |
| 20:35:43 | preglow | but anyway, if the middle bands don't work, why don't you disable the entire hw eq and set them as bass/treble controls? |
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| 20:36:28 | linuxstb_ | Yes, that sounds sensible. I think we were initially hoping that they could be made to work, but that time seems to have passed. |
| 20:37:14 | preglow | well, i'd do a quick disassemble of retailos to see if it touches those regs at all |
| 20:37:17 | preglow | if not, just forget it |
| 20:37:34 | linuxstb_ | Although I think the current UI allows more configurablility for each band than just gain. |
| 20:37:49 | linuxstb_ | But maybe that's only for the middle 3 (non-working) bands... |
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| 20:38:36 | XavierGr | amiconn: when my ondio boot it says archos firmware version 1.31f on the page you linked on the bottom there is something about bricking it if I format it. |
| 20:38:58 | preglow | linuxstb_: that very same configurability is just hard coded for current bass/treble controls, so i wouldn't see that as a good reason to keep it as is |
| 20:39:02 | amiconn | Yes that might happen. Just don't format it before flashing |
| 20:39:50 | amiconn | The archos firmware < v1.32 has the problem that if it can't read the filesystem, it also doesn't allow usb access to fix it |
| 20:39:54 | preglow | linuxstb_: looks like the better codec of the wm bunch anyway |
| 20:40:04 | preglow | at least it's capable of prescaling |
| 20:40:06 | linuxstb_ | preglow: I never use it, so I'm relaxed about it. |
| 20:40:11 | amiconn | ...and it can only boot from FAT16, so if you format it FAT32 -> boom |
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| 20:40:30 | XavierGr | argh why developers are so braindead sometimes? |
| 20:40:30 | pondlife | Is there a standard way to clear displays but leave the status bar displayed? |
| 20:40:42 | XavierGr | and which is the last firmware version for ondio? |
| 20:41:09 | amiconn | 1.32 fixes that problem, but there's no point in flashing that if you're going to fully flash it with rockbox anyway |
| 20:41:18 | XavierGr | indeed |
| 20:41:41 | XavierGr | it boots slower than H100 with the archos firmware |
| 20:42:47 | amiconn | http://www.archos.com/support/download/firmware/ondio_fm_rec/README_ONDIO_FM_history.txt |
| 20:43:00 | linuxstb_ | pondlife: I don't think so. But if you want to display the statusbar, shouldn't you call it frequently anyway to update? |
| 20:43:00 | amiconn | You have 1.31f, the latest is 1.32c |
| 20:43:32 | pondlife | linuxstb_: It's just that the screen looks odd without it. |
| 20:43:34 | rp- | hi all! stupid question, but what source files are normally involved for working audio on a target? |
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| 20:44:04 | preglow | rp-: alot |
| 20:44:05 | rp- | i'm trying to prepare files for the sansa port... |
| 20:44:30 | rp- | i guess wmcodec is a good start? |
| 20:44:32 | amiconn | XavierGr: AFter flashing rockbox, make sure you'll *never* RoLo archos 1.32b |
| 20:44:55 | XavierGr | I like the legend text on that link amiconn: it says N.F. : New feature |
| 20:45:06 | XavierGr | and there isn't one on all the firmware versions :P |
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| 20:45:16 | amiconn | It's a flash update, and will overwrite the flash without warning. After that, the Ondio wouldn't boot anymore |
| 20:45:55 | pondlife | End Of Line product? ;) |
| 20:46:20 | XavierGr | amiconn: I won't flash it until I find somewhere specific instructions, especially if it is brickable if I do something weird |
| 20:46:36 | amiconn | RoLo'ing other versions is okay. I have the latest on on my Ondio in case I want to show someone how the archos fw looks like |
| 20:47:05 | XavierGr | RoLo'ing? you can RoLo from rockbox the original firmware? |
| 20:47:08 | amiconn | XavierGr: I could walk you through if you want. The intsructions itself didn't change, but the files to use did |
| 20:47:13 | amiconn | Yes |
| 20:47:33 | XavierGr | well if you have the time I would most certainly like to |
| 20:47:52 | amiconn | That's why the rockbox boot files have those "strange" names on archos - the archos in-flash firmware looks for an on-disk update of itself |
| 20:47:53 | XavierGr | just point me to the page and tell me which files I need |
| 20:48:23 | amiconn | That's how rockbox works when not flashed - it "mimics" an on-disk archos firmware update |
| 20:49:02 | amiconn | That's also where the 200KB/400KB limit comes from - the in-flash archos firmware loader won't load firmwares larger than that |
| 20:49:25 | XavierGr | can't you replace the firmware loader :P |
| 20:49:27 | amiconn | Some v1 recorders and many players aren't flashable |
| 20:49:57 | amiconn | XavierGr: If you flash rockbox, the loader will of course be replaced. But in order to do that, you need rockbox running first |
| 20:50:37 | rp- | dan_a: here? |
| 20:50:40 | XavierGr | so when the ondio is flashed there is no size limit? |
| 20:51:21 | XavierGr | well lower than the flash size I mean |
| 20:51:39 | amiconn | The rombox size limit is an entirely different thing |
| 20:51:51 | preglow | linuxstb_: at least the code looks to be according to the datasheet |
| 20:51:54 | XavierGr | ah so you meant the firmware file size limit |
| 20:53:12 | amiconn | With flashed rockbox, there are 3 parts in the flash: The (tiny) flash loader, bootbox (which is compressed to save space and will be decompressed into ram when selected), and main rockbox, which can either be compressed (then it's decompressed into ram at boot) or uncompressed and then runs directly from rom - rombox |
| 20:53:54 | amiconn | The flash is 256KB in total, flash loader + bootbox take away 28KB of that (on all archoses except the player) |
| 20:54:02 | amiconn | So the rombox limit is 228KB |
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| 20:55:11 | XavierGr | so you use rombox mainly to have more audio buffer? |
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| 20:56:07 | amiconn | yes |
| 20:57:20 | amiconn | Audio buffer size isn't important for battery runtime on Ondio (no spinups), but there are other reasons why more buffer is better |
| 20:57:49 | pixelma | for example working voice... |
| 20:58:55 | Llorean | There's a minimum buffer length for working voice? |
| 20:59:15 | pondlife | Size of english.voice? |
| 20:59:26 | preglow | seems tagcache is a veritable bottomless well of size gains for rockbox :P |
| 20:59:30 | amiconn | Llorean: Sure, the voice file needs to fit in the buffer... |
| 20:59:45 | pondlife | preglow: Sure is :) |
| 20:59:57 | pixelma | pondlife: which one are you referring too? |
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| 21:00:02 | XavierGr | amiconn: so to flash it ,I just need a bin file and run it with the flash plugin? |
| 21:00:07 | pondlife | Wait a minute... |
| 21:00:27 | pondlife | ...and some more HAVE_TAGCACHE red will appeaer |
| 21:01:03 | amiconn | XavierGr: Yes. And you should dump your rom contents before, in case you want to restore it to factory state later |
| 21:01:04 | pondlife | (Hopefully not too much, and not in the main build table.) |
| 21:01:50 | XavierGr | amiconn: I don't want to do that later, and I am sure that if something comes up another rom file could do the job right (from another ondio) |
| 21:02:07 | amiconn | Only if it's the correct hw mask |
| 21:02:43 | amiconn | XavierGr: The instructions in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FlashingRockbox are correct, just the actual files are not. These should be taken from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BootBox |
| 21:02:44 | Llorean | amiconn: Ah, that makes sense. For some reason I'd assumed it could be used in parts. |
| 21:02:57 | amiconn | All the jabber about testing bootbox can be ignored, it is tested |
| 21:03:32 | XavierGr | so I just download the bootbox ondiofm.zip |
| 21:03:34 | XavierGr | I see |
| 21:03:53 | XavierGr | well I will back up the rom just in case |
| 21:03:55 | amiconn | XavierGr: I.e.: Get http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/BootBox?rev=1.1;filename=bootbox_ondiofm.zip , put the 2 .bin files on your Ondio |
| 21:04:07 | XavierGr | but I don't think there is a chance to revert back, not in a million years |
| 21:04:37 | XavierGr | except if archos updates the firmware to make coffee or something like that |
| 21:04:51 | amiconn | ...make sure your batteries are in good shape, boot into rockbox, go to System->Debug->Dump ROM contents |
| 21:05:37 | XavierGr | yeah I know that part with the flashing procedure on H100 |
| 21:05:41 | amiconn | ...go to the plugin browser, run firmware_flash.rock, follow the instructions, *don't reboot* afterwards, but browse to /.rockbox and "run" rockbox.ucl, |
| 21:05:48 | XavierGr | I still have the file to revert the H100 to OF |
| 21:06:03 | XavierGr | but that won't happen again, I am pretty sure |
| 21:06:06 | preglow | i like the fact that i find "OpenGL ES 2.0" listen in the 5g firmware file... |
| 21:06:15 | amiconn | (which will in fact run rockbox_flash) and again follow the instructions |
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| 21:07:44 | XavierGr | amiconn: If I reboot without updating the flash with the build it will be bricked? |
| 21:08:16 | preglow | haha |
| 21:08:27 | preglow | keep this up and even langv2 and new bootbox can't save us |
| 21:08:37 | pondlife | Revert? |
| 21:08:45 | pondlife | Sorry |
| 21:08:46 | amiconn | No it won't. |
| 21:08:47 | preglow | nah, it's a nice enough feature |
| 21:08:51 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:09:12 | amiconn | What happens exactly depends on whether the flash image contains a main rockbox image or not; don't remember if it does |
| 21:09:21 | pondlife | Maybe we could remove the tagcache debug screen? That's less useful now (for users). |
| 21:09:33 | pondlife | Make it a debug-build only option. |
| 21:09:40 | preglow | pondlife: well, as long as functionality is covered |
| 21:09:49 | amiconn | If it does, you would boot this (probably horribly outdated) rockbox, if not, bootbox would kick in and load your ajbrec.ajz from disk |
| 21:09:56 | pondlife | preglow: Have a play and see wha you reckon. |
| 21:10:13 | preglow | i don't really use the database |
| 21:10:18 | preglow | but perhaps that's an even better reason to try |
| 21:10:23 | preglow | i can play the noob now, heh |
| 21:10:28 | pondlife | Indeed. Database For Dummies |
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| 21:10:45 | pondlife | Or maybe you can look at my code and size-optimise it? |
| 21:11:01 | preglow | nah |
| 21:11:07 | preglow | got more than enough else to code on, i'm afraid |
| 21:11:07 | XavierGr | ok step one done, rom contents are saved |
| 21:11:12 | pondlife | :) |
| 21:11:15 | XavierGr | now bin file is on root |
| 21:11:19 | pondlife | JDgordon's warning? |
| 21:11:23 | XavierGr | I will change the batteries and then flash |
| 21:12:16 | Slasheri | pondlife: interesting, will try out that now :) |
| 21:12:35 | dan_a | rp-: Here now! |
| 21:12:43 | Slasheri | pondlife: i was also planning to do something like that but you were faster ;) |
| 21:12:44 | pondlife | You can probably improve it. Look at the new routine in tagcache.h too... |
| 21:13:07 | amiconn | XavierGr: Further updates of rockbox will just consist of first roloing the new build (rockbox in flash does *not* check for an on-disk update), then "playing" rockbox.ucl (or rombox.ucl if that will become available again) |
| 21:13:08 | pondlife | There's a hard-coded 8 that should probably be calculated, but I've no idea how |
| 21:13:22 | pondlife | i.e Committing 1/8.. |
| 21:13:50 | Slasheri | pondlife: that is the number of string tags + 1 |
| 21:14:13 | XavierGr | hmm I did something wrong, the plugin reported no image found when I opened the bin with it |
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| 21:14:36 | amiconn | Roloing isn't strictly required when not running rombox, but it serves 2 purposes which might hit you otherwise. (1) It's a simple check whether the new build works. (2) The plugin api might have changed, and (new) rockbox_flash.rock might refuse to run with the (old) core |
| 21:14:51 | Slasheri | pondlife: the number of entries in sorted_tags[] |
| 21:14:52 | amiconn | XavierGr: firmware_flash is not a viewer |
| 21:14:54 | Slasheri | +1 |
| 21:15:09 | amiconn | YOu just run it and it should find the bin it needs in the root |
| 21:15:19 | pondlife | OK, can you update that.. .I need to eat |
| 21:15:23 | amiconn | If not, you copied the wrong bins |
| 21:15:27 | XavierGr | ok |
| 21:15:35 | amiconn | ...or renamed them, which you should never do |
| 21:15:38 | XavierGr | on iriver h100 it is a viewer |
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| 21:15:57 | amiconn | rockbox_flash.rock *is* a viewer, firmware_flash.rock is not |
| 21:16:09 | XavierGr | yeah different plugins |
| 21:16:16 | XavierGr | but the habbit remained |
| 21:16:28 | amiconn | This is on purpose, the plugin needs to decide which of the 2 .bin files is needed |
| 21:16:53 | amiconn | There are archoses with and without boot rom, and both need different init code |
| 21:16:56 | XavierGr | ok programming |
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| 21:17:34 | XavierGr | ok flashed the bin, flashed the ucl |
| 21:17:37 | pondlife | Slasheri: There's a bug in there... |
| 21:17:38 | XavierGr | do I restart now? |
| 21:18:01 | amiconn | Yes you can restart now |
| 21:18:08 | pondlife | My test for database not initialised is triggered if you go into the option too soon... |
| 21:18:25 | amiconn | Should boot in ~4 seconds |
| 21:18:30 | Slasheri | hmm |
| 21:18:39 | XavierGr | nice and clean |
| 21:18:43 | XavierGr | works like a charm |
| 21:18:43 | pixelma | with iCatcher it'll take noticably longer... |
| 21:18:50 | pondlife | I think I should defer the prompt if tagcache_is_initialised is false, right? |
| 21:19:08 | preglow | Slasheri: anything new on the clickwheel stuff? |
| 21:19:11 | XavierGr | amiconn thanks for your time, now my ondio is now complete |
| 21:19:58 | XavierGr | 5-6 seconds boot |
| 21:20:10 | Slasheri | pondlife: don't use that at all |
| 21:20:14 | Slasheri | you should just check if db is ready |
| 21:20:16 | XavierGr | but there is no annoying archoslogo screen |
| 21:20:28 | Slasheri | it's always initialized if the thread has been started |
| 21:21:07 | pondlife | Slasheri: I need to detect 3 states.... (1) Not ready because thread not done enough work (2) Known not to be initialised and (3) Ready for use |
| 21:21:24 | pondlife | i.e. initialized is yes/no/don't know |
| 21:21:26 | amiconn | XavierGr: Boot time depends on what features you're using. E.g. a wps with multiple bitmaps will be clearly noticeable |
| 21:21:28 | Slasheri | preglow: not really, but the gui stuff should be almost commit ready (a few refresh bugs still needs fixing) |
| 21:21:49 | XavierGr | amiconn: yes I know, well if you want icatching result you will have to wait in the end |
| 21:21:50 | linuxstb_ | Slasheri: Does that include CPU boosting when using the UI? |
| 21:21:52 | Slasheri | pondlife: hmmm |
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| 21:21:55 | tucoz | hi |
| 21:21:59 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: sure |
| 21:22:04 | XavierGr | not so noticable in everyday usage though |
| 21:22:18 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: but not the clickwheel acceleration itself |
| 21:22:19 | XavierGr | of course a timed benchmark is a different story |
| 21:22:28 | tucoz | Slasheri: did you get my message? The change i made to apps/main.c still makes it beep on boot |
| 21:22:35 | linuxstb_ | Slasheri: That's fine. I think the acceleration is going to prove hard to please everyone with.... |
| 21:22:39 | XavierGr | it is really a shame that only archos supports rvf for now |
| 21:22:51 | XavierGr | it plays really well even on the tiny screen of the ondio |
| 21:22:53 | Slasheri | tucoz: ah, yes. that's weird |
| 21:23:06 | Slasheri | tucoz: so where did you insert the audiohw_init() call? |
| 21:23:14 | tucoz | I have only flashed by running iriver_flash though. You can flash in the bootloader as well right? |
| 21:23:39 | tucoz | In init, right before lcd_init |
| 21:24:08 | Slasheri | so you put it between these two: |
| 21:24:10 | Slasheri | | set_irq_level(0); |
| 21:24:10 | Slasheri | | lcd_init(); |
| 21:24:19 | tucoz | hmm, let me check |
| 21:24:30 | Slasheri | if not, then it's the wrong init function used for simulators only |
| 21:24:36 | Slasheri | and that shouldn't work :) |
| 21:24:37 | tucoz | hehe |
| 21:24:43 | tucoz | could be |
| 21:24:54 | Slasheri | try put it right after kernel_init() |
| 21:25:10 | tucoz | ah, right |
| 21:25:19 | tucoz | i missed the #ifdef simulator :D |
| 21:25:23 | Slasheri | hehe :D |
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| 21:25:29 | Slasheri | you are not the first ;) |
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| 21:25:53 | tucoz | Ok, then i can try again |
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| 21:26:46 | tucoz | I´ll let you know what happens. Thanks for the help so far |
| 21:27:07 | Slasheri | great |
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| 21:27:41 | pondlife | Back later... got to eat, really |
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| 21:31:40 | preglow | surprisingly enough, it seems retailos and bootloaders use the same i2c routines |
| 21:33:42 | bluebrother | damn, missed tucoz |
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| 21:53:21 | preglow | linuxstb: unless i'm very wrong, reatilos seems to write to wmcodec addresses that are far higher than any in the datasheet |
| 21:53:30 | preglow | linuxstb: in addition to lots that are listed |
| 21:54:30 | linuxstb | For example? (which registers?) |
| 21:54:54 | preglow | i've seen stuff as high as 0x70 |
| 21:55:31 | preglow | i've found about fourty calls to wmcodec_write in retailos thus far |
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| 21:55:38 | preglow | among them are the entire init sequence, i think |
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| 21:55:47 | preglow | are/is/asl |
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| 21:58:27 | linuxstb | What are you looking for, the EQ? |
| 21:59:05 | preglow | yeah |
| 21:59:13 | preglow | could see any of the eq regs touched |
| 21:59:19 | preglow | couldN'T |
| 21:59:34 | preglow | but the high addresses i saw from time to time makes it seem something is a bit wrong |
| 21:59:51 | linuxstb | I would be surprised if retailos use it - afaik, it doesn't have any different options to the earlier ipods, so the EQ is most likely just exactly the same sw one. |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:40 | linuxstb | The datasheet was just a pure guess - we (aegray and I) just tried random ones until we got sound... |
| 22:00:46 | preglow | yeah, remember |
| 22:02:06 | preglow | what else is on the i2c bus than the pcf and the wm? |
| 22:02:14 | preglow | i think i saw something with address 0x2a |
| 22:05:53 | DataGhost | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6069 <- is that a test for 'new wannabe devs' to see if they can fix that? |
| 22:05:58 | DataGhost | :P |
| 22:07:05 | linuxstb | preglow: Isn't the clickwheel accessed via i2c? |
| 22:07:21 | preglow | linuxstb: ahh, yes, that's probably it |
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| 22:12:35 | preglow | haha, wtf, there's a function for 1 << x :P |
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| 22:19:31 | PhilippeBoineau | Hello, my name is Philippe Boineau, I live in France (Paris). I've got an iPod 3G and I use RocBox on it since the 2006 year. As I understand that some help is needed in order to help RocBox to fly on iPod 3G, I would like to be able to contribute to the RockBox Twiki. |
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| 22:20:57 | desowin | PhilippeBoineau: have you already registered on wiki ? |
| 22:21:15 | PhilippeBoineau | Yes I have |
| 22:21:23 | desowin | what user name ? |
| 22:21:32 | PhilippeBoineau | PhilippeBoineau |
| 22:23:11 | desowin | done |
| 22:23:11 | PhilippeBoineau | My username is PhilippeBoineau (as requested) : see PhilippeBoineau">http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PhilippeBoineau |
| 22:23:33 | PhilippeBoineau | Thank you very much desowin |
| 22:23:50 | desowin | you're welcome |
| 22:24:59 | preglow | linuxstb: setting one channel inverted and the other non-inverted doesn't exactly seem very intuitive, so either i've got the wrong stuff here, or the datasheet isn't as nice a match as i'd hoped |
| 22:25:09 | PhilippeBoineau | Please could you tell me how I can check that I'm able to contribute to the wiki ? |
| 22:25:35 | linuxstb | Click on "edit" on any page (and then click on "cancel") |
| 22:26:24 | desowin | PhilippeBoineau: go to page you want add info, and click on edit on the bottom |
| 22:26:52 | PhilippeBoineau | Thaks. It seems to be ok. See you later. |
| 22:28:35 | preglow | no, this doesn't make sense at all |
| 22:28:48 | GodEater | dumb question of the evening : how does rockbox know which codec to use to decode a file with ? |
| 22:29:09 | hcs | file extension |
| 22:29:22 | GodEater | speex should be .spx? |
| 22:29:29 | linuxstb | The file extension is just the first check. |
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| 22:29:45 | Llorean | Can't it catch speex in .ogg now? |
| 22:29:48 | hcs | the further checks are up to the metadata reading and then the codec itself, no? |
| 22:30:07 | linuxstb | The get_metadata() function parses the file (based on the extension, which is used to identify the container) and works out the codec. |
| 22:30:16 | GodEater | Llorean: I've just tried speex for the first time, and speexenc seems to indicate .spx as the default extension |
| 22:30:28 | Llorean | GodEater: That is the default, yes. |
| 22:30:31 | linuxstb | And yes, I think speex in .ogg is supported in Rockbox. |
| 22:30:44 | GodEater | however I'm getting nothing but silence back on rockbox :( |
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| 22:31:12 | linuxstb | preglow: What isn't making sense? You think we've got a wildly wrong datasheet? |
| 22:31:50 | Llorean | GodEater: With a build from two days ago, my speex files still play. |
| 22:31:54 | Llorean | I can't update right now though. |
| 22:31:55 | linuxstb | GodEater: Is the progress bar moving in the WPS? |
| 22:32:07 | GodEater | yep |
| 22:32:10 | preglow | linuxstb: i think i've misunderstood something and gotten something wrong in my disassembly here |
| 22:32:16 | GodEater | and time expired is counting up too |
| 22:32:22 | preglow | even though i don't see what, it seems pretty straight forward |
| 22:32:45 | preglow | linuxstb: i fell over some mmapping in retailos here, you wouldn't happen to know the layout of the mmap regs? |
| 22:33:14 | preglow | linuxstb: three out of four mmap reg pairs are set up |
| 22:33:15 | GodEater | they definitely decode okay as well - I've checked them |
| 22:33:19 | linuxstb | You know that the register is in the high 7 bits of the first byte? |
| 22:33:26 | linuxstb | i.e. it's shifted. |
| 22:34:13 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, I've looked at the mmap register init in retailos, and don't understand it... |
| 22:35:12 | preglow | linuxstb: that's done internally in the i2c_write i got, so it shouldn't matter |
| 22:36:02 | preglow | i found three uses of i2c, one writing to address 8, pcf, one writing to address 1a, wm codec, and one writing to 0x2a, probably clickwheel |
| 22:36:35 | linuxstb | All the PP targets seem to setup the mmap registers the same way, apart from the ipods, which seem to be doing something with the flash. Here are my notes - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/pp-mmap.txt |
| 22:36:42 | preglow | and the function calling i2c_write with address 0x2a just takes an array to two bytes as argument, almost certainly register address and data, so i don't see how i could have gotten it wrong |
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| 22:37:33 | pondlife | Slasheri: Just committed a mod to check if the tagcache is initialised or not. That's probably not good enought though, can you have a look please? |
| 22:39:10 | GodEater | Llorean: which version of speex did you use to do your encoding ? |
| 22:39:10 | preglow | ah, hmm, one weird thing about the wmcodec_write i think i found is that it only writes bytes, whereas the wm often has more than one byte of data in a register |
| 22:39:37 | linuxstb | The data is 9-bits IIRC - the second byte and the low bit of the first byte. |
| 22:39:46 | Llorean | GodEater: It was just the official encoder compiled whenever I decided to test it. |
| 22:39:57 | Llorean | GodEater: So, like, whatever day speex entered SVN. |
| 22:40:18 | Llorean | GodEater: Lemme go check version |
| 22:40:33 | preglow | linuxstb: things are starting to fall in place now |
| 22:40:36 | GodEater | 1.1.12 here |
| 22:40:36 | preglow | linuxstb: i didn't know that |
| 22:40:45 | preglow | that would explain the high addresses |
| 22:41:15 | preglow | linuxstb: btw, how do you know 5g does something with the flash? |
| 22:41:25 | Llorean | GodEater: Mine's an old one apparently, 1.0.4 |
| 22:41:37 | Llorean | GodEater: I just went and found a precompiled binary, I thought it was up to date, but apparently it's VERY old |
| 22:41:46 | GodEater | crap |
| 22:41:50 | GodEater | maybe mine's too new |
| 22:42:04 | GodEater | the audio thread claims it's doing stuff |
| 22:42:10 | GodEater | but it's not making any noise :( |
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| 22:42:50 | GodEater | 1.0.x isn't even available for my distro |
| 22:42:57 | GodEater | it starts at 1.1.5 |
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| 22:43:54 | linuxstb | preglow: Did you see that pp-mmap.txt file I just posted a link to? |
| 22:44:18 | Llorean | GodEater: Encoding with a 1.1.12 now. |
| 22:44:40 | Llorean | GodEater: It's a very long file so it'll be like, 45 minutes though. I want to see if the other problems I'm having happen with a new speex encoder. |
| 22:45:05 | GodEater | would you care to try one of mine |
| 22:45:11 | GodEater | not one of them is larger than 2MB |
| 22:45:16 | GodEater | and most are much smaller |
| 22:45:41 | preglow | linuxstb: yes |
| 22:45:46 | linuxstb | preglow: MMAP1 is being used on the video to do the same remapping Rockbox does (0x10000000 -> 0x0). Based on that, I'm guessing MMAP2 is mapping flash (0x0) to 0x20000000. MMAP0 seems to be doing something else with the flash - some kind of map from 0 to 0... |
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| 22:46:22 | preglow | and here's me hoping for some kind of iram magic :/ |
| 22:46:58 | Llorean | GodEater: I'd rather try my own encode. It's not like I'm useful for fixing the problem if there is one, but if it doesn't work at all that'll also show it's an encoder version issue. Since our speex codec is supposed to be up to date with SVN speex, it shouldn't be speex-in-Rockbox being old. |
| 22:46:58 | preglow | damn, i could have SWORN i had some descriptions of those registers somewhere |
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| 22:47:26 | GodEater | I just checked, the version in RB is 1.1.14-svn |
| 22:47:33 | GodEater | so it should decode my stuff :( |
| 22:47:37 | Llorean | :( |
| 22:47:45 | Llorean | What sample rate is your file? |
| 22:47:56 | GodEater | well it was ripped straight from CD |
| 22:48:05 | GodEater | so 44.1KHz I guess |
| 22:48:07 | Llorean | So, 44.1khz? |
| 22:48:14 | Llorean | Speex isn't really intended about 32khz. |
| 22:48:19 | Llorean | "UWB" |
| 22:48:23 | Llorean | above |
| 22:48:35 | GodEater | it clearly worked though |
| 22:48:40 | Llorean | So, try downsampling to 8, 16, or 32 and see if that works. |
| 22:48:42 | GodEater | I can decode the files again successfully |
| 22:48:59 | Llorean | Yeah, but it might give us some clues. ;) |
| 22:49:19 | GodEater | should I do the resample directly with cdparanoia ? |
| 22:49:23 | GodEater | or some post processing tool ? |
| 22:49:50 | Llorean | I just used foobar's DSP to convert the .wav to 16khz mono before encoding, back with the one that had worked for me. |
| 22:49:59 | GodEater | ah hang on |
| 22:50:00 | linuxstb_ | sox would do the job. |
| 22:50:05 | GodEater | I seem to recall someone having this problem |
| 22:50:14 | GodEater | it was because the spx file was stereo |
| 22:50:15 | Llorean | Stereo should work now though, at least. |
| 22:50:18 | GodEater | oh |
| 22:50:23 | Llorean | _Should_ |
| 22:50:24 | GodEater | bang goes that idea |
| 22:50:25 | GodEater | :) |
| 22:50:27 | Llorean | I haven't tested. |
| 22:50:36 | Llorean | Plus, the stereo file played, it just sounded REALLY weird. |
| 22:50:44 | GodEater | hmmm |
| 22:50:48 | GodEater | I'm without foobar |
| 22:50:48 | Llorean | If I recall it was just playing at the wrong sample rate. |
| 22:50:54 | GodEater | so I'll have to find something to do the job |
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| 22:54:11 | GodEater | if anyone has any tips on such a toy for linux - please shout! |
| 22:54:33 | * | linuxstb_ mentions sox again |
| 22:55:00 | dan_a | linuxstb: You say on the IpodFlash page that the Nano flash has 1MB of data in a 512k chip - is the second 512k exactly the same as the first, by any chance? |
| 22:55:32 | GodEater | linuxstb_: sorry - missed that the first time |
| 22:55:54 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: I'm almost certain it isn't, but let me double-check... |
| 22:56:52 | dan_a | linuxstb_: That's what happens on the YH-820, which also has 512k flash. PortalPlayer's wonderful aliasing in action |
| 22:57:01 | GodEater | dan_a: while you're here - a quick git question - do you use git-svn yourself ? |
| 22:57:14 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: Good call... |
| 22:57:22 | dan_a | GodEater: At the moment I do, but I'm not 100% happy with it |
| 22:57:36 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: Yes, the first 512KB are identical to the second 512KB... |
| 22:57:45 | GodEater | dan_a: nor me - I couldn't get it to only grab the rockbox branch - it insisted on grabbing everything |
| 22:57:53 | linuxstb_ | But the other ipods are claimed to have 1MB of flash. |
| 22:58:38 | dan_a | I wouldn't expect them to have the same data in the second half |
| 22:59:20 | dan_a | GodEater: It did that for me too, but that's not really a major issue as long as you have the disk space |
| 22:59:44 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: Did you see my notes about the mmap registers? Do you have similar info for other PP devices? |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:24 | dan_a | linuxstb_: I don't have it to hand, but I can have a look |
| 23:01:49 | linuxstb_ | No rush. |
| 23:02:53 | GodEater | Llorean: resampled down to 16Khz |
| 23:02:56 | GodEater | still no sound output |
| 23:03:00 | GodEater | trying to go to mono now |
| 23:03:24 | * | Llorean is still encoding, heh. |
| 23:03:36 | dan_a | linuxstb_: I've been trying to get Rolo working properly again for the past few days. Even if I make the main CPU wait until the COP has been put to sleep by the new firmware, I still can't get it to boot properly |
| 23:04:19 | dan_a | Any ideas? |
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| 23:04:45 | linuxstb_ | Only what's been discussed before - that it may be expecting certain values in registers and/or iram. |
| 23:05:26 | dan_a | No, because even Rockbox doesn't load properly (the second core is not active) |
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| 23:06:01 | linuxstb_ | Ah, that. I get confused about the current status of rolo - it's constantly changing.... |
| 23:06:18 | GodEater | Llorean: yep - works fine as mono |
| 23:06:31 | dan_a | I still don't even understand why the dual core work broke it |
| 23:06:53 | Llorean | GodEater: That's unfortunate. |
| 23:07:02 | Llorean | I thought it was supposed to be fixed. |
| 23:07:20 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: Are interrupts disabled on both CPUs? |
| 23:07:22 | dan_a | Llorean: Rolo or Speex? |
| 23:07:45 | dan_a | linuxstb_: Does set_irq_level(HIGHEST_IRQ_LEVEL) do that? |
| 23:07:48 | Llorean | dan_a: Speex stereo. |
| 23:08:26 | GodEater | Llorean: also, sample rate doesn't matter |
| 23:08:34 | GodEater | I just reused the original 44.1Khz wav |
| 23:08:41 | GodEater | knobbled it down to mono |
| 23:08:44 | GodEater | and that plays fine too |
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| 23:09:05 | GodEater | bugger |
| 23:09:45 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: See the definition in firmware/export/system.h - I think that only applies to the current CPU. |
| 23:10:12 | * | linuxstb_ isn't sure and looks towards preglow |
| 23:10:44 | GodEater | too late to recode them all now |
| 23:10:48 | GodEater | I'll do them tomorrow |
| 23:10:50 | GodEater | *yawn* |
| 23:10:52 | GodEater | night all! |
| 23:11:14 | dan_a | linuxstb_: I don't think so - each core will have its own CPSR (I think!) |
| 23:11:22 | dan_a | Good night, GodEater |
| 23:11:41 | linuxstb_ | So is set_irq_level() being called on both CPUs? |
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| 23:12:25 | dan_a | linuxstb_: Not in SVN, but in my test code it is |
| 23:13:00 | dan_a | (I'd also love to understand why the codec thread doesn't now run twice as fast as it used to) |
| 23:13:58 | pixelma | does anybody know how much audio buffer is available on an FM-Recorder (with an SVN build)? I want to know how large a voice file can be in order to work... maybe someone with an FM-Recorder could check (scorche?) |
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| 23:15:10 | preglow | dan_a: lots of mysteries left with dual core support for sure |
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| 23:16:04 | dan_a | preglow: Hopefully they'll annoy the people who know how to fix them enough so they get fixed, now it's in SVN ;) |
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| 23:20:46 | DataGhost | eh LinusN |
| 23:20:52 | DataGhost | will rockbox boot if it can't mount fat32? |
| 23:21:20 | LinusN | no |
| 23:21:29 | DataGhost | so I just mounted fat32 on my 80GB :) |
| 23:21:35 | DataGhost | it can't find the .rockbox directory, though |
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| 23:21:42 | preglow | dan_a: you're hoping to have pp employees aboard any time soon? ;) |
| 23:21:51 | LinusN | DataGhost: what have you changed? |
| 23:22:01 | DataGhost | eh. same code I changed in the linux kernel |
| 23:22:06 | DataGhost | 'superblock' reading |
| 23:22:16 | DataGhost | 2 sectors instead of 1.... really simple actually |
| 23:22:21 | DataGhost | but it has to happen everywhere |
| 23:22:27 | dan_a | preglow: hahaha - I can hope! |
| 23:22:36 | DataGhost | too bad rockbox doesn't use multiple reads like linux does |
| 23:22:45 | LinusN | yes, the reading of the BPB is only one of a dozen things |
| 23:22:47 | preglow | man, that would rock. i'm starting to get really bloody tired of all this guesswork |
| 23:22:47 | DataGhost | in linux it was only the reading of the superblock, that's all sorted now |
| 23:22:58 | DataGhost | but it does indeed require some more work in rb |
| 23:23:00 | DataGhost | :) |
| 23:23:19 | DataGhost | I couldn't get the debugging build to work by the way |
| 23:23:26 | DataGhost | so I have written a basic debugging function myself now |
| 23:23:34 | LinusN | the linux driver is a lot easier to work with, since it's not optimized for low mem usage |
| 23:23:47 | DataGhost | yeah:) |
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| 23:23:59 | DataGhost | and the hardest part isn't even the code |
| 23:24:28 | DataGhost | I write my code on this pc, I save it over samba to my server, then I scp the changed files to my laptop, build it there, scp rockbox.ipod back to my server and then I load that on my iPod |
| 23:24:52 | DataGhost | because I don't want to screw up my arm toolchain with yet another version |
| 23:25:15 | LinusN | DataGhost: i don't get it |
| 23:25:28 | DataGhost | never mind :P |
| 23:25:32 | LinusN | :-) |
| 23:25:39 | linuxstb_ | You can just install another arm toolchain with a different −−prefix, and modify your path. |
| 23:25:49 | Llorean | Or just use the VMWare image for complete separation. |
| 23:26:00 | DataGhost | yeah I know but crosstool is easier and I'm lazy |
| 23:26:16 | DataGhost | and I can't easily change the prefix in there |
| 23:26:20 | linuxstb_ | Easier than running the rockboxdev.sh script? |
| 23:26:27 | LinusN | then it can't be easier :) |
| 23:26:29 | linuxstb_ | (edit the prefix at the top) |
| 23:26:30 | DataGhost | crossdev even |
| 23:26:46 | DataGhost | oh yeah I actually ignored that script |
| 23:26:50 | DataGhost | I should have looked into it :D |
| 23:26:57 | preglow | hahahah |
| 23:27:08 | dan_a | DataGhost: Crossdev is easy to have two tools - you just run gcc-profile to choose between them! |
| 23:27:23 | DataGhost | yeah but the other 2 I have weren't installed with crossdev |
| 23:27:25 | pixelma | LinusN: do you have an FM-Recorder? I want to ask the guy who's made the new files if he could also provide a smaller one which could work on the other Archos targets as well... I'd like to give him a number of the maximum size |
| 23:27:28 | DataGhost | I'm already using a PATH= for the kernel |
| 23:27:51 | LinusN | pixelma: i have an fm rec |
| 23:28:01 | dan_a | s/gcc-profile/gcc-config/ |
| 23:28:02 | linuxstb_ | DataGhost: Has work been abandoned on getting 2.6 working on the ipod? |
| 23:28:10 | DataGhost | dunno |
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| 23:28:19 | DataGhost | I only heard that it existed, never cared much about it |
| 23:28:27 | pixelma | LinusN: could you test with an SVN version how much buffer is available atm? |
| 23:29:22 | pixelma | ehm... should have mentioned voice files before ;) |
| 23:29:34 | LinusN | pixelma: hang on |
| 23:29:37 | linuxstb_ | DataGhost: I noticed some CVS changes to the kernel - does that mean IPL fully supports the 80GB now? i.e. as well as the other 5gs? |
| 23:29:43 | DataGhost | yes |
| 23:29:52 | DataGhost | i submitted my patches :) |
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| 23:30:40 | DataGhost | that's why I'm looking into rockbox now |
| 23:30:41 | DataGhost | :P |
| 23:30:43 | linuxstb_ | The first IPL kernel commits since last August... |
| 23:30:47 | DataGhost | hehe |
| 23:31:17 | DataGhost | funny thing is, after that crappy kernel I first 'released' everyone started using it on the 30GB winpod, which was then the only one that would fully work with that specific release |
| 23:31:39 | DataGhost | after some time and peer-review we decided to take out some 'redundant' code, actually breaking 30GB support, heh. |
| 23:32:03 | XavierGr | pixelma: with which engine are these voice files generated? |
| 23:32:26 | pixelma | XavierGr: it's in the mail archive |
| 23:32:46 | dan_a | I'd love to get this bug where if you boot up an iPod with the USB connected it hangs at the USB screen fixed. Can give me a quick overview of what happens when the USB is plugged in? |
| 23:32:46 | XavierGr | is it a commercial one? |
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| 23:33:25 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: It also freezes for me if I plug it in soon after startup, if the disk is still spinning (probably the dircache thread). |
| 23:33:32 | pixelma | don't know - but there are now up in the wiki |
| 23:33:38 | XavierGr | because I have some nice Loquendo voice files that I could share, but iirc they are commercial and thus can't distribute them |
| 23:33:44 | XavierGr | let me check then |
| 23:33:57 | DataGhost | proof: http://de.dataghost.com/rb/IMG_7888.JPG http://de.dataghost.com/rb/IMG_7889.JPG http://de.dataghost.com/rb/IMG_7890.JPG |
| 23:34:10 | DataGhost | did you get to that already LinusN? or didn't you spend that much time on this issue? |
| 23:35:58 | LinusN | as a test, i patched the fat/ata driver to be able to mount the file system |
| 23:35:58 | linuxstb_ | DataGhost: I guess you're loading Rockbox with the IPL bootloader? |
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| 23:36:15 | LinusN | a long time ago |
| 23:36:26 | DataGhost | yes linuxstb |
| 23:36:32 | DataGhost | why? |
| 23:36:46 | DataGhost | oh wait. the rb loader needs fixing too, right? |
| 23:36:57 | linuxstb_ | Because it's displaying the hw info correctly. I never bothered implementing that on the 5gs, as it's not used anywhere... |
| 23:37:00 | DataGhost | ah ok LinusN... too bad :P |
| 23:37:10 | linuxstb_ | hw revision |
| 23:37:13 | DataGhost | hw info is set by the bootloader? :o |
| 23:37:32 | linuxstb_ | Yes, but that could be changed now. It's read from a location in flash IIRC. |
| 23:37:34 | DataGhost | I know that it reads it but this is new to me :) |
| 23:38:01 | linuxstb_ | And normally flash is hidden "underneath" sdram. But we've recently made it available at a different address in Rockbox. |
| 23:38:37 | preglow | linuxstb_: i don't use dircache on my nano and it still hangs like a madman |
| 23:38:46 | linuxstb_ | The only place it's actually used in Rockbox is in the Color/Photo LCD driver, to distinguish between the two LCD revisions. |
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| 23:39:40 | linuxstb_ | preglow: All I've noticed is that it reliably freezes if I connect whilst the disk is still active after boot. If I wait until the disk stops, and then connect, it reliably works... |
| 23:40:35 | dan_a | I'm guessing that something is waiting on the disk before it acks the USB insert, and that the USB insert disables the disk |
| 23:41:03 | dan_a | logf to the rescue, I hope! |
| 23:41:38 | linuxstb_ | What about the ata callback? Would Rockbox be attempting to write the settings? |
| 23:41:57 | jhMikeS | oy...the gigabeat is gonna make optimizing difficult in general for arm... need to think of something |
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| 23:42:20 | dan_a | Oh, it's one of those annoying bugs. A logf build fixes it |
| 23:42:37 | dan_a | The ATA callback sounds like a good suspect, though |
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| 23:43:07 | markun | jhMikeS: you can try to clock it down to 17MHz :) |
| 23:43:26 | jhMikeS | hehe...says it's already running that :D |
| 23:43:26 | linuxstb_ | Great idea - get libmad working then... |
| 23:43:48 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: You have a gigabeat? |
| 23:43:59 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: yes...just came in |
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| 23:44:02 | markun | jhMikeS: there is a 'slow mode' which does that |
| 23:44:09 | markun | jhMikeS: congrats! |
| 23:44:14 | jhMikeS | :) |
| 23:44:20 | linuxstb_ | Which model? |
| 23:44:26 | jhMikeS | nice player with a really great display |
| 23:44:27 | jhMikeS | F40 |
| 23:44:48 | * | linuxstb_ can only see F10s and F20s on ebay at the moment (available to the UK) |
| 23:44:49 | markun | I wonder how much more F40's there are out there |
| 23:45:08 | markun | linuxstb_: toffe bought another 2 broken F40s :) |
| 23:45:49 | LinusN | pixelma: Buffer: 1.292MB |
| 23:46:06 | jhMikeS | I got it from toffe and it works like a charm. Didn't have time myself to assemble a good one from broken ones. |
| 23:46:16 | pixelma | LinusN: thank you! |
| 23:46:33 | dan_a | jhMikeS: Treat yourself to a 3G iPod! |
| 23:46:49 | Kasperle | and pwn random boxen with firewire:D |
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| 23:47:06 | jhMikeS | For the ultimate challenge with a broken cache implementation? :) |
| 23:47:32 | toffe82 | I don' know I should receive one fridy but it is for XavierGr and I think I will recieve the 2 others next week |
| 23:47:48 | toffe82 | sorry wrong windows |
| 23:48:06 | petur | LinusN: just replaced hdd and battery on my h340 and now the backlight of my lcd no longer comes on. lcd works. any idea? |
| 23:49:13 | jhMikeS | The F40 does chow down on the SPC playback without even flinching :) |
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| 23:49:59 | LinusN | petur: hmmm, hard to tell |
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| 23:51:12 | LinusN | petur: have you tried to run the OF? |
| 23:52:37 | petur | not yet |
| 23:52:40 | LinusN | do so |
| 23:53:17 | LinusN | i had a similar issue when i started the h300 port ages ago, and running the OF fixed it |
| 23:53:34 | jhMikeS | dan_a: You've got an inexpensive one? Like I said I'll take a working one that someone wants to unload. |
| 23:53:44 | petur | hmmmm are we missing some init code then? |
| 23:54:11 | DataGhost | hm. so after it's read the partitiontable (and presumably mounted the fat partition) it'll only read 1 sector from sector -1 LinusN :o |
| 23:54:15 | DataGhost | constantly |
| 23:54:20 | LinusN | i thought i fixed it, but let's hope i didn't :-) |
| 23:54:30 | petur | ? |
| 23:54:46 | LinusN | petur: because then running the OF will help you in this case :-) |
| 23:55:08 | dan_a | jhMikeS: I want to keep mine, but I plan to get some dead ones off ebay and do some voodoo on them |
| 23:55:15 | LinusN | DataGhost: it reads single sectors from all over the place |
| 23:55:25 | DataGhost | nope |
| 23:55:29 | DataGhost | at least not through ata_read_sectors |
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| 23:55:37 | DataGhost | hold on |
| 23:56:04 | jhMikeS | dan_a: keep me posted |
| 23:56:06 | petur | LinusN: BINGO! |
| 23:56:10 | LinusN | :-) |
| 23:56:19 | petur | phew |
| 23:56:38 | LinusN | so we still have that backlight init bug... :-( |
| 23:57:03 | petur | I'm not running a recent bootloader, only the latest from the wiki |
| 23:57:12 | jhMikeS | any of this ata stuff relevant to recording sticking while building the database? I'm not following too well here. |
| 23:57:19 | petur | (version 5) |
| 23:57:31 | LinusN | that bug is much older than bootloader 5 |
| 23:57:36 | petur | oh |
| 23:57:39 | LinusN | it's been there forever |
| 23:57:51 | petur | well it's not fixed... and it is only the backlight |
| 23:57:58 | DataGhost | http://de.dataghost.com/rb/IMG_7891.JPG LinusN |
| 23:58:02 | LinusN | better look into it then |
| 23:58:15 | DataGhost | and from there on I haven't seen another read but 1 -1 |
| 23:59:00 | dan_a | jhMikeS: I'll keep you posted, and I don't think the ATA stuff I'm looking at will affect recording, but I can't be sure |
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