| 00:00:03 | groovingandi | where I went to school? Germany |
| 00:00:29 | dxm | what are your thoughts to the german school system vs american |
| 00:00:43 | dxm | thats off topic isnt it |
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| 00:00:49 | nls | sure is :-) |
| 00:01:18 | groovingandi | yes, that's really getting OT now |
| 00:02:17 | dxm | well i'll save this chat for later review-adios |
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| 00:08:48 | _ke | hi |
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| 00:09:38 | _ke | i just updated to the current rockbox version of ipod video. when i want to play something, it switches to the wps and then freezes with: data abort at 00030784 |
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| 00:15:31 | obo | _ke: sounds like you need to update your bootloader |
| 00:15:59 | _ke | obo, why that? 20070304 works great |
| 00:17:09 | obo | the COP patch was added on the 4th |
| 00:17:18 | safetydan | _ke, dual core support was added to Rockbox core recently. It requires an upgraded bootloader for some iPods |
| 00:18:13 | _ke | safetydan, ok. so a bootloader update will fix that? |
| 00:19:04 | safetydan | _ke, it should |
| 00:19:16 | _ke | safetydan, dual core? for what? |
| 00:19:53 | safetydan | _ke, iPods have two CPUs |
| 00:19:57 | safetydan | well... two cores anyway |
| 00:20:28 | _ke | ah really? |
| 00:20:31 | _ke | sounds cool |
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| 00:21:04 | _ke | safetydan, with update you mean a new installation of the bootloader? |
| 00:21:27 | Hornet_ | I have an idea for a cool Rockbox feature. Why is the Media USB port disabled on the H3x0? |
| 00:21:44 | safetydan | _ke, yes, though for iPods it's really easy now. Just download the bootloader installer and double click it. |
| 00:21:55 | safetydan | Hornet_, because we don't have full USB support yet. |
| 00:21:57 | _ke | safetydan, im on linux ;) |
| 00:22:09 | safetydan | _ke, well, it's the same process :) |
| 00:23:05 | Hornet_ | safetydan: Okay, how come the Data port works fine then? How hard can it be to use the same code for the other port? |
| 00:23:25 | _ke | safetydan, it simply works ;) great!! |
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| 00:24:17 | _ke | safetydan, what improvement is this now? i mean, why do you need dual core? |
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| 00:26:50 | nls | Hornet_: the Data port is handeled completely in hardware by a dedicated USB−−ATA bridge, the Media or Host port has to be handeled in software with a complete USB stack and drivers, none of which rockbox has at the moment |
| 00:27:43 | Hornet_ | nls: Aaah. Thanks for clearing that up. |
| 00:27:44 | safetydan | _ke, well there's two cores there to use, so why not use them? I believe it may make things a bit faster as well. |
| 00:28:16 | _ke | safetydan, ok thanks again |
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| 00:36:33 | preglow | man, curl is nice |
| 00:37:03 | * | preglow just learned about [] ranges |
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| 00:41:46 | Overand | yeah, curl is great |
| 00:41:57 | Overand | between that and wget, the world is rocking |
| 00:42:03 | Overand | What are "[]" ranges used for in curl? |
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| 00:43:34 | Background | Hello |
| 00:43:38 | Background | I have a question |
| 00:43:44 | Background | Reguarding the .wps files |
| 00:44:04 | Background | Can anyone give me a hand? |
| 00:44:39 | Background | Hello? |
| 00:45:04 | JdGordon | i would but mine is firmly attached |
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| 00:45:06 | JdGordon | just ask! |
| 00:45:26 | Background | Wait |
| 00:45:28 | Background | Never mind |
| 00:45:31 | Background | I now need thlep |
| 00:45:41 | Background | knowing why when i go to the file browser |
| 00:45:45 | Background | it always only gives 4 options |
| 00:45:52 | Background | Calender, Notes...etc and Root |
| 00:46:04 | Background | And root only points me to a song |
| 00:46:22 | Background | i need to navigate to a picture so i can set it as my backdrop |
| 00:46:30 | nls | Background: those (Notes etc...) are folders |
| 00:46:48 | Background | I get that |
| 00:46:54 | Background | but i need to navigate to the root of my ipod |
| 00:47:04 | Background | .rockbox |
| 00:47:06 | JdGordon | you are in the root of the filesystem |
| 00:47:06 | Background | and stuff |
| 00:47:13 | JdGordon | hold menu ress down untill it says all |
| 00:47:20 | * | JdGordon wants to change that default |
| 00:47:21 | jhMikeS | are pp core switches just completely preemptive with no way to lock a core switch? |
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| 00:47:30 | nls | .rockbox is not the root. |
| 00:47:40 | Background | I understand that |
| 00:47:45 | Background | but .rockbox is in my root |
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| 00:48:23 | nls | yes, do what JdGordon said, hold menu til the quick screen shows, then press up til it says "all" |
| 00:48:54 | Background | I held menu |
| 00:49:04 | Background | It brings me to the main screen |
| 00:49:19 | nls | JdGordon: the fiel view setting default is one of the defaults that were actually dicussed and agreed upon, not just arbitarily set :-) |
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| 00:49:43 | nls | Background: you did'nt hold it for long enough then |
| 00:49:47 | JdGordon | but now with the rb menu it should be changed to all instead of supported |
| 00:49:48 | Background | Ahhh i figured it out |
| 00:49:55 | JdGordon | brilliant! |
| 00:50:14 | nls | JdGordon: why is it different with the menu? |
| 00:50:26 | JdGordon | because.. um... just because :p |
| 00:51:02 | nls | I guess most people just want to browse their music and not see all the other stuff :-) |
| 00:51:02 | Background | Uggg, now when i go to "Files" it shows nothing |
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| 00:51:26 | nls | Background: did you change it to "all" or to "playlists"? |
| 00:51:28 | Background | I have it set to "all" |
| 00:52:04 | Background | Well there we go |
| 00:52:08 | bluebrother | I still prefer the file view set to supported or music instead of all |
| 00:52:09 | Background | My rockbox is being buggy today |
| 00:52:28 | JdGordon | pebcak probably |
| 00:52:46 | jhMikeS | dan_a? |
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| 00:52:54 | Background | Had to restart it just froze |
| 00:53:31 | Background | Now how to i navigate to the "backdrops" |
| 00:53:31 | Background | file |
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| 00:56:22 | Background | never mind |
| 00:57:27 | dan_a | jhMikeS: Yes? |
| 00:57:54 | bluebrother | JdGordon: you mean PEBKAC instead of pebcak probably? ;-) |
| 00:58:38 | jhMikeS | dan_a: are the core switches on pp completely preemptive? and does each core have it's own irq level (I've asked awhile but you didn't seem certain at the time). |
| 00:59:13 | Background | Is there a font that matches the Apple font |
| 00:59:21 | Background | Or at least Times New Roman or such? |
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| 01:00:06 | bluebrother | Background: have you read the manual? |
| 01:00:20 | jhMikeS | dan_a: I suppose I'd like to know if there's anything specific that determines when a core switch occurs. |
| 01:00:22 | Background | Yes |
| 01:00:24 | bluebrother | if not please do so, it answers a lot of questions. |
| 01:00:24 | dan_a | (reads back a few lines) Erm... that's probably more OS theory than I know! Each core is running a completely separate scheduler, with the threads only being started on one core or another. Each core will have its own IRQ level, yes (in as much as ARM has IRQ levels) |
| 01:00:27 | Background | I know i must convert to .fnt |
| 01:00:49 | bluebrother | you can have a look at rashers site −− rasher.dk/rockbox">http://rasher.dk/rockbox |
| 01:00:58 | dan_a | What do you mean by a core switch? |
| 01:01:01 | bluebrother | he has a nice collection of fonts converted to rockbox format |
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| 01:01:55 | jhMikeS | dan_a: well, that means switch_to_irq_level should be per core, it's shared now. I'm also doing some mutex stuff to stop priority inversion in the ata driver. |
| 01:03:04 | bluebrother | time to leave ... |
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| 01:03:18 | dan_a | jhMikeS: Ah... I'll have a look over the code for switch_to_irq_level - one moment |
| 01:03:52 | jhMikeS | dan_a: It's been bugging me that the variable is shared with dual cores. |
| 01:05:02 | jhMikeS | Also I'm wondering about anything (instructions, registers) that blocks another core from executing a protected section. |
| 01:05:40 | Background | Just wonderful |
| 01:05:47 | Background | I loaded a backdrop and made the font white |
| 01:05:54 | Background | and Now rockbox loaded without the backdrop |
| 01:05:58 | Background | and i can't see |
| 01:06:26 | Background | Just |
| 01:06:27 | markun | yes nice, isn't it :) |
| 01:06:28 | Background | Brilliant |
| 01:06:50 | nls | Background: is your backdrop in the .rockbox/bacdrops folder? |
| 01:06:51 | dan_a | jhMikeS: What IRQ levels do we have in ARM? Just disabled/FIQ only/all enabled? |
| 01:06:53 | Background | No |
| 01:06:57 | markun | You can reset your settings with some key combination |
| 01:06:57 | Background | It's on the Root |
| 01:06:59 | preglow | dan_a: that's all arm has natively, yes |
| 01:07:07 | preglow | dan_a: the pp probably has more stuff |
| 01:07:10 | Background | because i couldn't navigate to backdrops folder with rockbox |
| 01:07:11 | nls | Background: put it there and rockbox will load it on boot |
| 01:07:18 | markun | Background: then you can just reboot I think |
| 01:07:23 | preglow | dan_a: but then again, i might just as well be software controlled too |
| 01:07:36 | preglow | dan_a: right now our handler just does them in a predefined order |
| 01:07:46 | nls | Background: but you'll have to navigate to it ofcourse |
| 01:08:14 | Background | can i change the colors |
| 01:08:16 | Background | in the config |
| 01:08:38 | nls | yes, they are in regular hex |
| 01:08:44 | Background | fabulous |
| 01:09:28 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 01:10:14 | jhMikeS | dan_a: Wish I knew for sure, I'm just getting up to speed on it. :) |
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| 01:11:46 | dan_a | jhMikeS: (for background, I'm a network guy whos only kernel knowledge has been picked up from reading LWN) AFAIK, the mutexes for Portalplayer should test and set atomically, so there is no chance of both cores holding the same mutex. ARMv4 doesn't have any more advanced capabilities than that |
| 01:11:48 | Background | Woo hooo |
| 01:11:53 | Background | i fixed the background |
| 01:11:55 | Background | i'm a beast |
| 01:12:07 | dan_a | preglow: Thanks :D |
| 01:17:01 | dan_a | jhMikeS: Each thread will only be running on one core, so the current code will set both cores to the same IRQ level - if that is not what you want then the easyest thing to do would be to have switch_to_irq_level be an array with NUM_CORES elements, and refer to switch_to_irq_level[CURRENT_CORE] |
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| 01:19:57 | jhMikeS | dan_a: I can just move it to the core structure. It should set the irq level exactly like normal use of set_irq_level. |
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| 01:23:22 | klaxian | hello...i had to reformat my ipod hard drive and now the ipodpatcher won't pick it up |
| 01:23:22 | klaxian | what am i missing? |
| 01:23:24 | klaxian | i can mount it on my computer |
| 01:24:09 | dan_a | klaxian: What OS are you on? Do you know the device name for your iPod? |
| 01:24:16 | klaxian | i'm running linux |
| 01:24:23 | klaxian | it's /dev/sda |
| 01:24:29 | klaxian | the partition is /dev/sda1 |
| 01:24:43 | klaxian | i formatted it fat32 |
| 01:25:19 | dan_a | And does "ipodpatcher −−scan" show it or not? |
| 01:25:29 | klaxian | let me check |
| 01:25:42 | klaxian | the manual does not say to do ipodpatcher −−scan ;) |
| 01:25:56 | klaxian | [ERR] No ipods found. |
| 01:26:13 | Hornet_ | I see that docs/API is outdated. What has replaced it? |
| 01:26:14 | klaxian | it's not mounted...should it be? |
| 01:26:23 | jhMikeS | so init_threads is called once for each core? |
| 01:26:25 | dan_a | Ah, wait a minute - I always have to run ipodpatcher as root for it to work |
| 01:26:31 | klaxian | i am running it as root |
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| 01:26:48 | klaxian | ./ipodpatcher −−scan runs, but doesn't find the ipod |
| 01:26:52 | dan_a | jhMikeS: Yes - that's why there are two "main" threads on the PP |
| 01:27:18 | klaxian | can i just force it to use /dev/sda somehow |
| 01:27:21 | dan_a | Hornet_: Which functions are you looking for? |
| 01:27:33 | klaxian | the problem might be that there's no apple firmware on the ipod anymore |
| 01:27:37 | klaxian | it doesn't even boot |
| 01:27:43 | klaxian | it's completely empty because i had to reformat |
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| 01:28:01 | dan_a | klaxian: That might be the problem. Do you have one or two partitions? |
| 01:28:07 | Hornet_ | dan_a: I'm not looking for a specific function so much as trying to figure out how Rockbox works. For instance, I'd like to know how reading config files and parsing those values into variables is done. |
| 01:28:13 | klaxian | dan_a: i just made one |
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| 01:28:21 | klaxian | dan_a: i can make another if that will help |
| 01:29:44 | dan_a | klaxian: My advice would be to restore your ipod first (itunes should run under Wine) or to try using "dd" to put the correct MBR on |
| 01:29:52 | nls | Hornet_: look in apps/settings.c :-) |
| 01:29:57 | Hornet_ | nls: Thanks |
| 01:30:29 | dan_a | klaxian: You should have a firmware partition and a FAT32 data partition |
| 01:30:47 | klaxian | dan_a: i don't have the ipod software :-P i'm trying to set this up for someone else...i use an X5 |
| 01:31:24 | klaxian | i can make another partition for the firmware...what format should the firmware partition be? or is there some other way to restore the device? |
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| 01:33:26 | klaxian | i'm trying to evangelize rockbox ;) |
| 01:34:24 | dan_a | klaxian: This is my disk structure, if it's any help: http://www.pastebin.ca/386977 You might have to find an original iPod firmware to put on there before ipodpatcher will work (ipodpatcher tries its best not to overwrite your computer's harddrive) |
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| 01:34:36 | klaxian | thanks dan |
| 01:35:34 | dan_a | klaxian: Have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 - there are a collection of MBRs there |
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| 01:35:56 | klaxian | dan_a: thanks! |
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| 01:40:38 | Chongo | Wow, I got failed rockbox install on my 5G... can anyone help? |
| 01:40:56 | Background | ? |
| 01:40:59 | nls | is it a macpod? |
| 01:41:16 | Background | Oftentimes it is easier to use the ipodlinux loader2 if you don't want it as your main os |
| 01:41:21 | dan_a | Chongo: Is it an 80Gb? |
| 01:41:29 | Background | after you use that it's simply drag and drop |
| 01:41:50 | Chongo | I'm on OSX... did the instructions... immedietly got the hit the Menu + SELECT for restart into rockbox dialogue... then when it came back it just hangs on the apple logo |
| 01:42:16 | Chongo | won't mount or anything... completly screwed |
| 01:42:22 | Background | I didn't think rockbox worked on HFS fomatted macpods |
| 01:42:22 | nls | Chongo: is it a macpod, ie formatted with hfs+ ? |
| 01:42:29 | Chongo | yes |
| 01:42:44 | preglow | jhMikeS: did you get anywhere with the both-passes-at-the-same-time resampler routines? |
| 01:42:46 | Background | I don't think rockbox supports it |
| 01:42:46 | nls | Then do as the instructions tell you and convert it |
| 01:42:57 | Background | What NLS said |
| 01:43:11 | Background | Btw i have a question as well |
| 01:43:16 | Chongo | ok... well, now that this happened though, my comp won't even access the pod. |
| 01:43:26 | Background | I use the Loader2 for ipodlinux, rockbox, and Apple OS boots |
| 01:43:35 | Background | And currently Apple OS is the main one |
| 01:43:44 | Chongo | I can't even uninstall the loader |
| 01:43:53 | Background | Format |
| 01:43:58 | Chongo | HOW! |
| 01:44:04 | Background | Itunes |
| 01:44:05 | Chongo | iTunes won't mount the pod |
| 01:44:06 | Background | Restore |
| 01:44:11 | Background | ? |
| 01:44:15 | nls | Chongo: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93651 |
| 01:44:31 | Background | There are other tools to format with |
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| 01:45:49 | Background | back to my question |
| 01:45:50 | Chongo | NLS - Thanks a ton! |
| 01:45:58 | Background | Apple OS is my main |
| 01:46:06 | Background | And i use ipodloader2 to switch |
| 01:46:16 | Background | Is it possible to configure Rockbox to be my main |
| 01:46:20 | Background | ? |
| 01:46:25 | Background | Or is this the wrong place to ask |
| 01:46:57 | nls | Background: yes, go to ipodlinux and ask them, it's their software |
| 01:47:05 | Background | Alright |
| 01:47:06 | nls | but I think it's possible |
| 01:47:26 | Chongo | ok so if I'm on a mac, I need to first convert the Pod to the PC file format and then install rockbox? |
| 01:47:35 | Background | Yeah, i'm basically looking for the functionality that lets me shut down rockbox and have it boot back into that again without going throught the loader2 menu |
| 01:47:41 | Background | but w/e |
| 01:48:04 | klaxian | dan_a: i'm doing better but i have a new problem |
| 01:48:10 | klaxian | dan_a: [ERR] Firmware partition doesn't contain Apple copyright, aborting. |
| 01:48:19 | klaxian | dan_a: any ideas? |
| 01:49:37 | nls | Chongo: do what it says here, linked from installation chapter in the manual ;-) http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 01:49:46 | Chongo | hmmm, if I need to convert... how come there is a MAC installer on the manual page for rockbox? |
| 01:50:22 | nls | because you can install from a mac just not on an ipod formatted in hfs+ |
| 01:50:27 | dan_a | klaxian: I don't. If your coding skills are up to it, you should be able to take the check out of ipodpatcher. I don't think that there is a "force" mode at the moment, but you could try using "-wf" and see if that ignores the check |
| 01:50:40 | klaxian | dan_a: ok |
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| 01:51:12 | klaxian | dan_a: nope, that doesn't force it |
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| 01:51:23 | klaxian | dan_a: that's too bad because i could care less about the apple firmware :-P |
| 01:51:40 | Chongo | Ah I see. There is no mention of this... I usually skip right to INSTALL sections :)... anyways, let me ask one more question... I know you guys will say rockbox is worth it, but which is better, iPodLinux or Rockbox? |
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| 01:52:25 | dan_a | klaxian: Maybe not - but linuxstb (who wrote ipodpatcher) cares about your hard drive! |
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| 01:53:14 | nls | Chongo: rockbox of course! |
| 01:53:29 | nls | not that I ever used ipl, I don't even have an ipod |
| 01:53:36 | klaxian | dan_a: i'm sure he does :) |
| 01:54:02 | Chongo | So as far as themes, games, general music quality stuff... rockbox is the way to go eh? |
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| 01:54:06 | Background | Rockbox |
| 01:54:11 | Background | But Ipodlinux is just cool |
| 01:54:13 | dan_a | klaxian: I'll see if I can compile you a modified version |
| 01:54:16 | Background | to know that you ahve that installed |
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| 01:54:38 | Chongo | Ok, so what advantage does Rockbox have over Linux? or is it just another option |
| 01:55:10 | Chongo | I had iPodlinux installed awhile back... there was almost nothing to do on it... Sound was choppy, etc... |
| 01:55:12 | nls | Chongo: why don't you try iy out or read the WhyRockbox page in the wiki |
| 01:55:15 | klaxian | dan_a: thanks! i'm exploring running itunes via wine :) |
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| 01:55:47 | Chongo | I know I know... but talking to humans (I hope?) is what I prefer when it comes to picking one thing or the other |
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| 02:14:19 | jhMikeS | preglow: yes. Haven't decided if I want a separate function for stereo/mono or just use the same and have it check the channel count. The second saves some bytes but makes the code a bit less readable. |
| 02:14:34 | jhMikeS | same goes for the gain stage |
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| 02:14:59 | preglow | so the asm i write now will be obsolete soon? :P |
| 02:15:41 | jhMikeS | no, I can just give the function two names in the asm if one cpu uses separate ones |
| 02:15:54 | XavierGr | haha how idiot can someone be? |
| 02:15:58 | preglow | i don't yet know if i have enough regs to do both in one pass anyway |
| 02:15:59 | preglow | XavierGr: very |
| 02:16:09 | preglow | i somehow doubt it without extensive stacking |
| 02:16:09 | XavierGr | I insterted the mic into the headphone jack |
| 02:16:28 | XavierGr | and the whole first part of the live wasn't recorded :( |
| 02:16:30 | jhMikeS | the parameters won't change in any case so any way that works is fine |
| 02:17:11 | XavierGr | I didn't expect to do such a silly mistake.... |
| 02:17:59 | klaxian | can anyone help me restore my ipod on linux so that i can put rockbox on it? |
| 02:18:02 | preglow | jhMikeS: for some reason i just can't bloody concentrate on coding now, so it's a very slow process anyway :/ |
| 02:19:24 | jhMikeS | Take your time. Even the C routine changes helped iPod play more SPCs with echo enable according to hcs |
| 02:20:44 | jhMikeS | When I get the inclination and my backlog taken care of I might give some of that a go |
| 02:22:09 | jhMikeS | There's no and_l, or_l, or eor_l for ARM is there? Think I'll just use atomic mutex routines allways. I see no reason not to. |
| 02:23:20 | preglow | nopr |
| 02:23:29 | preglow | all memory accesses has to go through dedicated load and store instructions |
| 02:23:57 | jhMikeS | urgh... |
| 02:24:01 | preglow | indeed... |
| 02:24:16 | preglow | portalplayer (at least some revs) have masked gpio regs, though, so you can do atomic stuff |
| 02:24:27 | preglow | but it's not part of the arm spec |
| 02:24:47 | preglow | jhMikeS: oh well, arm has its pros and cons, like most risc archs it's load/store based |
| 02:24:57 | preglow | jhMikeS: but it does a lot of other stuff nicely |
| 02:25:17 | preglow | the parallel shifting is cool, as is the conditional instrs |
| 02:25:17 | jhMikeS | I like how on cf I can do pretty much anything with a mem operand |
| 02:25:29 | jhMikeS | yes, that's nice |
| 02:27:48 | jhMikeS | It's a bugger to guarantee spin waiters are always released first. Maybe it's not imporant if it misses a few here and there. :\ |
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| 02:32:25 | rushfan | Now that ipod Linux can run on the 80gb... any odds of there could being used to help write rockbox support for the 80gb harddrive? |
| 02:33:46 | preglow | rushfan: no |
| 02:33:54 | preglow | rushfan: what needs to be done is clear, so the code won't help us conceptually |
| 02:34:10 | preglow | rushfan: it's just that it's more work to fix the rockbox code than the linux code, since the rockbox code in general is more optimised |
| 02:34:30 | preglow | rushfan: in this case, it's far more optimised for low memory use which makes a solution more hard |
| 02:34:33 | preglow | it's being worked on, though |
| 02:35:38 | rushfan | oh |
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| 02:46:50 | * | roolku just fixed a broken iAudio x5 using the hard disk and battery from a broken gigabeat :) |
| 02:47:33 | roolku | now I just need to get a sodding sub pack - the player is nearly without it |
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| 02:49:54 | jhMikeS | roolku: there's hope for replacing x5 battery yet :) What's the MaH on that? |
| 02:51:37 | roolku | jhMikeS: not sure, it doesn't say on the battery |
| 02:52:33 | roolku | but I am pleased how nicely it fits - could even be 2mm wider |
| 02:54:11 | preglow | roolku: no rtc daily builds yet? |
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| 02:55:35 | jhMikeS | odd...the config says 830mAh, but the capacity range is 1500-2500 ?? :\ |
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| 02:55:54 | roolku | well, badger need to adjust the distributed build script - the modified configure is already in svn |
| 02:56:05 | K3nto | to install atheme i just put the folder and the .wps file on the root of my ipod? |
| 02:56:39 | roolku | (that was for preglow regarding RTC builds) |
| 02:57:05 | roolku | jhMikeS: I seem to remember 1100mAh for Gigabeat batteries |
| 02:57:37 | K3nto | ? |
| 02:58:33 | roolku | K3nto: it depends a bit on the theme (how it has been packed) |
| 02:58:54 | K3nto | ok |
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| 02:59:06 | roolku | .wps files go into /.rockbox/wps |
| 02:59:17 | K3nto | i have a .wps file with a corresponding folder though |
| 02:59:44 | roolku | yes, both go into /.rockbox/wps |
| 02:59:53 | K3nto | ok ty |
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| 03:04:03 | K3nto | ok now that i have the theme transferred over, can i get a little help with putting songs on it with amarok? |
| 03:05:09 | K3nto | i guess i just need to mount it |
| 03:05:44 | roolku | sorry, I have no idea what amarok is :) |
| 03:05:54 | K3nto | ok |
| 03:06:03 | * | roolku goes to bed now *yawn* |
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| 03:06:10 | K3nto | it tells me i need to set a mounting command and an unmounting command |
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| 03:07:13 | jhMikeS | rrr...I need an original battery so I can finish the power and charging work on the x5 I started months ago :\ |
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| 03:20:48 | Chopper | Hello |
| 03:20:56 | Chopper | Anyone here right now? |
| 03:21:04 | lostlogic | new menus are nice (say I finally having updated since they went in) |
| 03:22:17 | Chopper | Is there a way to edit the high scores in plugins? |
| 03:22:38 | lostlogic | they mostly use files to store them |
| 03:22:44 | lostlogic | so you can probably find and edit the files |
| 03:23:00 | lostlogic | but I don't think there's a standard way that all plugins handle them |
| 03:23:01 | Chopper | kk |
| 03:23:12 | Chopper | i just had to reinstall everything on my ipod |
| 03:23:18 | Chopper | and wanted to put some old high scores back |
| 03:23:30 | lostlogic | hehe, you should just get them again :-P |
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| 03:24:39 | Chopper | naw me and my friends |
| 03:24:46 | Chopper | compete for high scores in chopper |
| 03:24:56 | Chopper | 4424 one of them got |
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| 03:25:40 | Chopper | I think i found it |
| 03:25:52 | Chopper | I will just get a random score then i can replace it with 4424 |
| 03:27:14 | lostlogic | yeah, that makes sense :) |
| 03:27:25 | Chopper | Silly Ipodlinux |
| 03:27:31 | Chopper | i made a .cfg file |
| 03:27:45 | Chopper | and it messed up my entire disk |
| 03:27:48 | Chopper | had to reinstall everything |
| 03:27:51 | lostlogic | woah. |
| 03:27:57 | lostlogic | I haven't tried iPL |
| 03:28:06 | Chopper | it's actually fairly cool |
| 03:28:08 | Chopper | i don't use it much |
| 03:28:13 | Chopper | but it's cool to show people |
| 03:28:33 | Chopper | the only way you can really mess stuff up is if you start following random advice on forums/irc |
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| 03:30:54 | MeKi||a | man |
| 03:30:59 | MeKi||a | I think I overdid my iPod |
| 03:31:08 | MeKi||a | it says Please Wait Very Low Battery =P |
| 03:31:26 | Chopper | lol |
| 03:31:29 | Chopper | silly battery |
| 03:31:51 | MeKi||a | indeed |
| 03:32:00 | Chopper | i got a charger thing |
| 03:32:07 | Chopper | that lets me use AA batterys |
| 03:32:08 | Chopper | to charge |
| 03:32:10 | Chopper | VERY USEFUL |
| 03:32:14 | Chopper | to say the least |
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| 03:32:26 | MeKi||a | nice, how much? |
| 03:32:39 | Chopper | hmm if i remember it was like 10 dollars or something |
| 03:32:42 | Chopper | i got it way back when |
| 03:32:44 | MeKi||a | dang |
| 03:32:50 | Chopper | search google |
| 03:33:58 | Chopper | hmm you can make your own |
| 03:34:07 | Chopper | but the instructables link is now defunct |
| 03:34:08 | MeKi||a | the altoids one? |
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| 03:55:56 | Llorean | safetydan: Well, I found out part of what was causing the weird noises in my spx files. I'd been using an older encoder, and Rockbox doesn't seem to like files encoded with 1.0.4 (they play fine elsewhere). |
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| 03:59:12 | safetydan | Llorean, which is weird. Maybe it's an issue with the fixed-point decoder and older files... |
| 03:59:47 | Llorean | safetydan: 's possible. Unfortunately, the playback speed issue is still there. |
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| 04:00:41 | safetydan | Well that one I'm pretty clueless on. But at least I think I know how to fix stereo playback. |
| 04:01:32 | Llorean | Well, the playback speed one is about as minor as I could imagine a 'problem' being, since I can't hear the difference unless I play it back alongside something else playing an identical file, or the same audio in another format. |
| 04:01:59 | Llorean | The difference in speed is small enough that if there's a pitch change, I can't hear it. |
| 04:04:05 | safetydan | hrm... could it be a resampler issue? Speex does have its own resampler... |
| 04:04:23 | * | safetydan makes notes on things to poke at in libspeex when he gets a chance |
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| 04:04:48 | K3nto | you can only skin the playing screen and not the menus? |
| 04:05:19 | safetydan | K3nto, yes |
| 04:05:21 | Llorean | safetydan: It could very very easily be a resampler issue, I think. |
| 04:05:39 | Llorean | K3nto: All you can do for the menus right now is set a separate backdrop for them (shared with the filetree) |
| 04:06:01 | safetydan | Llorean, if it was though, I'd imagine it would be really noticeable if you used an 8000 Hz file |
| 04:06:28 | K3nto | Llorean: i see |
| 04:06:56 | Llorean | safetydan: I haven't used an 8khz yet. All my files I've created at 16khz so far. I'll try an 8 and a 44.1 later, I think. If it is a resampler issue, a 44.1 should play fine, right? |
| 04:08:20 | safetydan | Llorean, in theory yes |
| 04:08:33 | Llorean | Well, at least it might give some more information. |
| 04:09:08 | Llorean | I've got several Rockbox swcodec targets, so I could get all three in sync with an 8, 16, and 44.1 file, and see which one plays 'fastest' etc. That might give a clue, no? |
| 04:09:50 | K3nto | Llorean: how do i select the font for my theme? |
| 04:10:24 | safetydan | Llorean, well it would certainly point in a direction yes |
| 04:10:25 | Llorean | K3nto: We request that you simply search the manual before asking questions, as we've written it to try to be as helpful as possible. It should cover changing fonts. |
| 04:10:35 | K3nto | ok |
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| 04:50:59 | SimonSelki | Hi, is there anyone here who can answer some questions about recording using an iPod? |
| 04:57:08 | safetydan | SimonSelki, it's best just to ask the question and see if you get a response. |
| 04:57:23 | SimonSelki | Fair enough |
| 04:58:04 | SimonSelki | Is it possible to record on an iPod using another DAP and a line I/O cable? |
| 04:58:18 | SimonSelki | Like, as if to transfer the song over by recording it in. |
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| 04:58:42 | safetydan | probably, but you'll need a dock connector for your iPod as far as I know. |
| 04:58:49 | SimonSelki | I tried earlier today, but I'm thinking my settings weren't right |
| 04:58:54 | SimonSelki | How do you mean? |
| 04:58:56 | * | safetydan doesn't own an iPod so can't really comment |
| 04:59:04 | Llorean | On the 5G and Nano, you need a dock connector. |
| 04:59:23 | SimonSelki | like, the USB cable alone won't work? |
| 04:59:38 | Llorean | Recording has nothing to do with USB. |
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| 05:01:13 | Llorean | I'm not sure what you're doing with a USB cable, but if it's an actual USB cable it won't work. |
| 05:01:15 | SimonSelki | okay, wait. I couldn't find any documentation on recording with an iPod at all. I assumed that recording would be done through the headphone jack |
| 05:01:51 | Llorean | On some iPods the headphone jack can be used, on older ones, but on the 5G and Nano you must make use of the line in, which requires an adapter for the dock connector. |
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| 05:04:20 | silvalynin | hey i'm having some trouble, can anyone help me? |
| 05:04:53 | Llorean | silvalynin: You're best off just asking the question. We don't know if we can answer it until you've asked. |
| 05:06:02 | silvalynin | Alright, well I got Rockbox installed on my 5G ipod, I messed around for a bit, then finally turned the ipod off.....but now i can't turn it back on |
| 05:06:33 | Llorean | What are you pressing? |
| 05:06:40 | silvalynin | menu/select |
| 05:06:49 | Llorean | Just pressing Menu should do it. |
| 05:06:59 | silvalynin | it's not |
| 05:07:01 | silvalynin | nothing happens |
| 05:07:07 | Llorean | If it's not, turn hold on then off again, and then hold Menu+Select to do the forced reboot. |
| 05:08:02 | silvalynin | yea nothing happened...wouldn't the ipod have to be on in the first place to in order for that input to be accepted? |
| 05:08:25 | Llorean | How long did you hold Menu+Select for? |
| 05:08:53 | silvalynin | uh around 10 seconds, should i hold longer? |
| 05:08:57 | Llorean | Yes |
| 05:09:06 | Llorean | Re-do the hold on/off thing first |
| 05:09:12 | silvalynin | k |
| 05:09:14 | Llorean | Also, a good idea is to plug it in, as it may be the battery is low. |
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| 05:10:54 | silvalynin | hmm alright, it finally booted up after i let go of menu+select |
| 05:11:07 | Llorean | It's a flaw in the iPods. |
| 05:11:24 | Llorean | Sometimes when they actually turn off, they don't like to turn back on without doing that. It'll even happen in the Apple OS. |
| 05:11:41 | silvalynin | true |
| 05:11:44 | Llorean | Though Apple's software actually keeps the iPod turned on, in a low power mode, rather than shutting down all the way, unless you don't touch it for a couple days. |
| 05:11:56 | silvalynin | yea |
| 05:12:31 | silvalynin | one more thing, are the fonts that are in the other font packages larger than the one in the default build? |
| 05:12:50 | silvalynin | because this font is ridiculously small |
| 05:13:14 | Llorean | There's only one font package on the site |
| 05:13:14 | silvalynin | at least compared to the original on apple's software |
| 05:13:23 | Llorean | And it contains fonts in a very wide variety of sizes |
| 05:13:34 | silvalynin | alright |
| 05:13:43 | silvalynin | so i'll put that on now i guess, thanks a lot |
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| 05:27:59 | K3nto | is rockbox supposed to take 20 seconds to pause/unpause? |
| 05:28:12 | Llorean | K3nto: Does it literally take 20 seconds, or are you talking more like 2 or 3? |
| 05:28:27 | K3nto | no, literally |
| 05:28:33 | Llorean | What player do you have? |
| 05:28:42 | K3nto | i think my ipod 5g is broken anyway |
| 05:29:03 | Llorean | And have you disabled 'fade on stop/pause'? |
| 05:29:17 | K3nto | nope |
| 05:29:22 | Llorean | Try that |
| 05:29:27 | K3nto | ok nm |
| 05:29:31 | K3nto | its back to normal |
| 05:29:34 | Llorean | Rockbox has no problem pausing instantly for me, on any of my players. |
| 05:29:54 | K3nto | yeah, my ipod is... worn |
| 05:30:00 | K3nto | its almost dead |
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| 05:30:10 | K3nto | i have to restart ubuntu for it to even detect it |
| 05:30:19 | K3nto | and windows doesnt even take it |
| 05:31:10 | K3nto | i think i will get a zune once they're in canada. will rockbox be ported to zune? |
| 05:31:26 | Llorean | If people who own Zunes do it. |
| 05:31:32 | K3nto | oh |
| 05:31:35 | Llorean | Rockbox doesn't have a planned direction. |
| 05:31:42 | Llorean | All that ever happens is that people with the players work on them. |
| 05:31:48 | K3nto | hmm |
| 05:31:55 | K3nto | would it be hard |
| 05:32:04 | Llorean | Probably |
| 05:32:05 | K3nto | like if i had somebody walk me through it |
| 05:32:38 | K3nto | not that it would be a planned experience. just - somebody with a zune + linux pro |
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| 05:33:00 | Llorean | It's not really something you could be walked through. |
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| 06:11:36 | sharap | The only place in the faq I see the 80Gb version of the iPod mentioned also says the FAQ answer was written 8 months ago. What's the status of the 80Gb support now? |
| 06:11:57 | bonbonthejon | sharap: as far as i know, still not working |
| 06:12:22 | Llorean | sharap: If you look at the very front page of the site, the 80gb is not listed as supported. |
| 06:12:42 | sharap | is there somewhere I can find out what's not working about it, keep up to date on status reports, maybe even help out with porting it? |
| 06:13:03 | Llorean | sharap: There's a forum thread, but there are no status reports. |
| 06:13:10 | sharap | I saw that, but everything I've seen that says it isn't supported looks like it was written quite awhile ago so I wondered if things had changed |
| 06:13:30 | Llorean | If things change, something new will be written. |
| 06:13:49 | Llorean | The Rockbox FAT driver, I believe, needs to be modified, and while someone is working on it, he has real life as well, so hasn't finished it yet. |
| 06:14:40 | Llorean | The forum thread even says clearly that the problem has been identified, and that it is being worked on. |
| 06:14:49 | Llorean | That message is one month and six days old. |
| 06:17:40 | Llorean | If you feel up to rewriting the Rockbox FAT32 driver, I can point you in the right direction of who to contact though. |
| 06:17:59 | sharap | I'm not trying to be critical or anything, I just knew the people here would be able to tell me for sure that the status is still not working. I'll check out the forums now. Thanks for your help. |
| 06:18:27 | Llorean | sharap: Why would we hide the fact that it is working? |
| 06:18:47 | Llorean | The front page clearly says "Nano 2nd gen and 80GB Video 5.5th gen are not supported" |
| 06:18:54 | sharap | drivers are quite a bit lower than I like to code, but I'll read up on it more and see if I might want to try it |
| 06:19:50 | sharap | and I've seen elsewhere that Archos is the only thing that is officially supported. Supported and working aren't really the same thing. I'm comfortable using something long before developers would call it a supported platform. |
| 06:20:31 | Llorean | The front page clearly says that it is a list of what it _runs_ on. |
| 06:20:50 | midkay | i think that's a good point. the main page says "rockbox _runs_ on the following models:" but "80gb [etc] is not _supported_". it should probably be changed to "80gb doesn't run at all" or something similar. |
| 06:20:55 | Llorean | The Archos is the only target it's "released" on, different from 'supported' |
| 06:21:30 | Llorean | midkay: My point is that everywhere on the site, such as the forums and the front page and the installation instructions in the manual all say the 80gb isn't supported. |
| 06:21:52 | Llorean | And yet it's very regular for people to come in and mention that they've seen all this, but for some reason don't believe it. |
| 06:22:08 | midkay | Llorean: i totally get that, sharap just pointed out a small inconsistency in the word choice and it's a little thing that could be a bit clearer. |
| 06:22:17 | Llorean | Yeah, it could be clearer. |
| 06:22:19 | midkay | i think. |
| 06:22:31 | midkay | the whole supported/unsupported/stable/partially working/officially released confusion.. |
| 06:23:28 | scorche | well, i explained the definitions for those terms when used inside the DeviceChart |
| 06:23:46 | scorche | but it should be consistent throughout the whole site |
| 06:23:57 | midkay | that's a step in the right direction... it'd be nice to boil it down to three statuses or so. supported (meaning released and, well, supported).. running, meaning works but isn't released.. and simply 'not working'. |
| 06:24:06 | midkay | a global terminology! |
| 06:24:10 | sharap | as I said, I read the FAQ as that is the typical go-to place for information about frequently asked questions. The very next sentence after saying the 80Gb doesn't work it says that the time of writing is July 2006, which was pretty much the same time the 80Gb was released. I don't see how it's so wrong of me to assume that maybe after it was released to the public rockbox was at least partially working on the device. |
| 06:24:13 | Llorean | I don't like "Supported" meaning "Released" |
| 06:24:21 | scorche | midkay: see my DeviceChart =) |
| 06:24:31 | midkay | Llorean: what do you mean? |
| 06:24:34 | Llorean | sharap: Which is why the Forum thread and the front page of the site also say it doesn't work? |
| 06:24:44 | Llorean | sharap: As well as the actual manual, compiled daily? |
| 06:24:48 | scorche | Llorean: you did when we talked about that a long time ago when we discussed those terms and their meaning... |
| 06:25:10 | Llorean | scorche: My opinions do change with time, despite what some people touting features I object to might think. ;) |
| 06:25:15 | midkay | Llorean: i can see where he's coming from.. when he says "80gb model is not supported" you could interpret that to mean maybe basically working. unless there's some information i'm missing that says "the 80GB port is _not working_.".. |
| 06:25:24 | sharap | that's wonderful, but why not update the place where people check for frequently asked questions first? |
| 06:25:28 | Llorean | midkay: Well, to me, "Supported" should mean "We provide support for it", basically, any target we're willing to accept bug reports on. |
| 06:25:35 | sharap | usually people send questions on the forum to the FAQ, not vice versa |
| 06:25:50 | Llorean | midkay: "Released" should be for "Released" targets, "Supported" should mean "We take bug reports on this, and provide help if it fails" |
| 06:26:16 | midkay | Llorean: i guess that word has kind of grown over time.. initially we weren't really accepting reports for swcodec targets, but now that 3.0 has slipped we're pretty much supporting most "usable" players by now. |
| 06:26:17 | Llorean | sharap: What should we update about it? Change the message to say "It's still not released" every 2 weeks, with a new date, as a means of wasting our time? |
| 06:26:33 | Llorean | sharap: It is a wiki, you're free to do that so it's clearer for others. |
| 06:26:44 | Llorean | midkay: Yeah, that's exactly how I see it. |
| 06:26:51 | Llorean | midkay: If we allow bug reports on it, then we 'support' it. |
| 06:27:34 | midkay | Llorean: makes more sense, agreed. |
| 06:27:34 | Llorean | sharap: I just don't understand why the assumption is that all four places would be incorrect. You seem to be focusing on the FAQ itself, but I asked you about all of them. |
| 06:27:59 | Llorean | sharap: Yes, the date on the FAQ is old, but it's also _still_ not supported, as mentioned everywhere else that the 80gb is discussed. |
| 06:28:50 | sharap | I didn't check the forums, because I figured such a likely frequent question would be answered and explained elsewhere. It wasn't. |
| 06:29:07 | Llorean | It was |
| 06:29:10 | Llorean | You just didn't believe it. |
| 06:29:27 | Llorean | Or does the FAQ _not_ say the 80gb isn't supported? |
| 06:29:32 | Llorean | Or the manual? |
| 06:30:10 | sharap | it wasn't explained, and I'm not going to delve into a manual if my device isn't supported. The FAQ is where the question should be, as evidenced by the fact that you're annoyed at the frequency of people coming here to ask the question |
| 06:30:27 | Llorean | sharap: The question is answered in the FAQ |
| 06:30:35 | Llorean | It states clearly that the 80gb model is not supported. |
| 06:30:50 | Llorean | The front page of the site ALSO clearly states this. |
| 06:31:06 | Llorean | What _exactly_ do you want? |
| 06:31:18 | sharap | If it's as clear as you make it out to be nobody would ask the question here :p |
| 06:31:22 | Llorean | What _exactly_ do you want? |
| 06:31:27 | Llorean | I feel it's clear. |
| 06:31:29 | Llorean | You don't |
| 06:31:34 | Llorean | It's a wiki: FIX IT. |
| 06:31:58 | sharap | I don't know anything about why it's not supported, which is exactly why I came here. |
| 06:32:17 | Llorean | There's a difference between "Why it's not supported" and "whether it's supported" |
| 06:32:19 | scorche | that is why we have an entire thread on it in the forums |
| 06:32:32 | Llorean | The FAQ doesn't need to go into technical details as to WHY it's not supported. |
| 06:32:52 | Llorean | But my question was how to fix the FAQ for explained that it isn't supported, not explaining why. |
| 06:32:58 | sharap | tell you what then, I'll put a link to the thread in the FAQ |
| 06:33:11 | Llorean | I thought the thread wasn't clear enough either. |
| 06:33:16 | Llorean | You said you'd read it. |
| 06:33:18 | sharap | I haven't read the thread |
| 06:33:24 | sharap | no, I said I haven't been to the forum |
| 06:33:32 | Llorean | (11:13:02 PM) Llorean: sharap: There's a forum thread, but there are no status reports. |
| 06:33:32 | Llorean | (11:13:10 PM) sharap: I saw that, but everything I've seen that says it isn't supported looks like it was written quite awhile ago so I wondered if things had changed |
| 06:33:47 | sharap | so I typed that whole message in 8 seconds? |
| 06:33:55 | Llorean | I could type it in as much, yes. |
| 06:34:17 | midkay | *jaw drops* |
| 06:34:38 | Llorean | Since you never said anything to clarify that your message was in response to an earlier statement, was I meant to make a random assumption about it? |
| 06:34:40 | sharap | <Llorean> sharap: If you look at the very front page of the site, the 80gb is not listed as supported. <−−- it was actually in reply to that |
| 06:35:00 | scorche | i see it as 7 seconds here |
| 06:35:13 | midkay | what is that, 200 words per minute? |
| 06:35:14 | sharap | and then I said I'd check out the forum |
| 06:35:25 | Llorean | sharap: Either way, the issue at hand was whether or not the target is supported, which you said is not clear enough on the site, not the status of work on it. |
| 06:35:43 | Llorean | sharap: If you could explain how to more clearly say than what the FAQ says that the target is not yet supported, I would be grateful, but moreso if you'd update the FAQ. |
| 06:35:50 | midkay | Llorean: do we "support" all targets that rockbox runs on? |
| 06:36:00 | Llorean | midkay: All but the Sansa and the iFP |
| 06:36:51 | midkay | so if we have italic text saying "80gb model is not supported" you should be able to see how that can be interpreted as the 80gb port might work, if in a rudimentary way, maybe only of interest to developers? |
| 06:37:06 | midkay | i think all we need to change is "Rockbox doesn't run on 80GB models at all." |
| 06:37:18 | scorche | <blink> </blink> |
| 06:37:29 | midkay | rather, change to... |
| 06:37:31 | sharap | If the FAQ is actually maintained in a timely manner, don't date your answers. |
| 06:37:33 | Llorean | midkay: Yes, but then if the user goes on to the manual, thinking it might install, they'll find out it won't. |
| 06:37:50 | Llorean | sharap: What exactly do you mean by that? |
| 06:38:11 | sharap | saying the answer was written 8 months ago can mean that the status hasn't changed, or that you just haven't maintained the FAQ for 8 months |
| 06:38:13 | midkay | Llorean: i think you/we'd get a lot less "80gb working yet?" questions if it was very very clear that rockbox *does not* run on that model, rather than rockbox "isn't supported" (there can be a lot of interpretations about 'supported'). |
| 06:38:34 | midkay | sharap: well, in all fairness, we wouldn't advocate it if it weren't maintained. |
| 06:38:36 | Llorean | sharap: If it hasn't changed in status since that date, another valid assumption is that it still doesn't work, since the question clearly hasn't been updated, and the page shows the last update in Jan of this year. |
| 06:38:41 | sharap | the answer to which iPods does rockbox support: ...(all models but the 80 gigabyte). Note that the port to the 3G is less developed than the later iPods and currently (July 2006) ... |
| 06:39:28 | Llorean | sharap: Yes, but how does that lead you to an assumption that it's _wrong_? |
| 06:39:33 | scorche | 1st and 2nd gens are also not supported |
| 06:39:42 | Llorean | All it means is that the answer to that question has not changed since July '06 |
| 06:39:49 | Llorean | So nobody has rewritten it. |
| 06:39:51 | sharap | midkay, the answer makes it clear that it simply doesn't work. It's the timeline that can be questioned. At least in the FAQ... |
| 06:40:14 | Llorean | sharap: So remove the portion of that question that deals with dates, if you feel it's misleading. |
| 06:40:16 | sharap | or the status has changed and nobody has updated the FAQ |
| 06:40:22 | midkay | sharap: you just said "the answer to which ipods does rockbox _support_".. we just went over 'support' not necessarily meaning 'run on'. |
| 06:40:27 | sharap | that's exactly what I meant by don't date your answers |
| 06:40:35 | midkay | sharap: we won't say "read the FAQ!" if it's almost a year out of date.. |
| 06:40:42 | Llorean | sharap: The page shows clearly it was last updated 25 of January, '07 |
| 06:41:37 | sharap | anybody can update a wiki. If I knew the answer to one question and one question alone I can update it and the date will change. That does not mean all the other questions have been maintained up to that date as well. |
| 06:41:45 | Llorean | sharap: If you want to assume the FAQ is out of date, go to the manual which is rebuilt daily. The it's silly to assume documentation is out of date and then at the same time say that you couldn't be bothered to check the manual, because you were assuming it _wouldn't_ work on it. It goes one way or the other. |
| 06:42:42 | Llorean | sharap: What point is there even reading the FAQ if you're going to assume it's out of date. If there were no date on the question, you'd have come in here asking anyway, or would you have instantly assumed that if it wasn't dated it _must_ be up to date? |
| 06:43:11 | sharap | alright, I got my question answered in the first few messages sent to the channel after I arrived. I could tell by your tone that you weren't happy the question was even asked so ever since then I've just been trying to justify *why* I asked the question and you're basically telling me (and anybody else that asks it) that we're wrong for asking it. If you think so, make it clearer. |
| 06:43:24 | sharap | I wouldn't assume it was out of date if the answer didn't say it was written 8 months ago. |
| 06:43:37 | Llorean | That's silly |
| 06:43:49 | Llorean | Why not? |
| 06:44:01 | Llorean | You could look at the changelong and see it was written 8 months ago if you wanted. |
| 06:44:03 | sharap | because it was last edited in January ;) |
| 06:44:23 | Llorean | So, you base the assumption that the question is out of date on simply one meaningless bit of extra information? |
| 06:44:28 | sharap | or I could pop onto IRC and ask a question in 10 seconds (then spend the next 30 minutes arguing about why I did so) |
| 06:44:35 | Llorean | You _assumed_ that we wouldn't try to update an important piece of information. |
| 06:44:38 | midkay | haha. |
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| 06:44:55 | Llorean | sharap: Yes, because the information is in four places, and you looked at one of them, and then assumed it was lying to you. |
| 06:45:06 | Llorean | sharap: You said it's unclear. It's a wiki, please fix it. |
| 06:45:11 | sharap | hey printfXh4, iPod video 5.5 generation still isn't supported, in case you were going to ask ;) |
| 06:45:23 | printfXh4 | sharap, nope. :P |
| 06:45:25 | printfXh4 | I idle here. |
| 06:45:27 | printfXh4 | I own a Sansa. |
| 06:45:29 | printfXh4 | :D |
| 06:45:29 | sharap | I looked at 3, 2 of which were dated 8 months ago and 1 of which didn't have a date |
| 06:45:36 | midkay | (that isn't supported either!) :) |
| 06:45:44 | Llorean | sharap: Okay, what were the 3 you looked at? |
| 06:46:01 | Llorean | sharap: And why did you refuse to believe that we would ignore 3 pieces of information on the site that all stated the same thing? |
| 06:46:07 | sharap | FAQ, main page, and a forum that a google search turned up |
| 06:46:25 | Llorean | Specifically, why would we leave it on the main page if it was wrong? |
| 06:46:37 | Llorean | And, why don't you just update the FAQ? |
| 06:46:50 | sharap | because it doesn't look like a site that is maintained on a regular basis? I don't know. I did assume it and I'm apparently not the only one. I don't see how that puts me at fault. |
| 06:47:03 | sharap | because I'm spending my time arguing about an entirely trivial thing with you instead |
| 06:47:10 | Llorean | sharap: The most recent news on the main page is from 4 days ago... |
| 06:47:30 | Llorean | sharap: You're basically telling us that unless we continually update the date on when the Ipod was last not supported, you don't think it's clear enough |
| 06:47:44 | Llorean | Since you did state that no date would've been fine, but the front page, which has no date, clearly isn't fine for you after all. |
| 06:47:45 | sharap | No, not at all. |
| 06:47:51 | Llorean | So again, what _exactly_ needs to be done? |
| 06:48:06 | sharap | well for now, it needs to be dropped |
| 06:48:06 | Llorean | The front page apparently doesn't look like it's updated often enough. |
| 06:48:09 | Llorean | How can this be fixed? |
| 06:48:17 | sharap | I'll read the forum thread, put a link to it on the faq, and remove the July 2006 date from the answer |
| 06:48:29 | Llorean | Well, I don't want to ever have to answer "No, the documents aren't lying to you, the 5.5G 80gb doesn't work" ever again. |
| 06:48:38 | sharap | yeah, I can tell ;) |
| 06:48:48 | Llorean | So, why is the front page bad, as you said it didn't help either. |
| 06:48:56 | midkay | Llorean: maybe the solution is to change "80gb model not supported" to "80gb model doesn't work". :) |
| 06:49:06 | Llorean | midkay: That wouldn't solve the 'It doesn't look like it's updated often' part. |
| 06:49:08 | sharap | which is why there should be a link to current information (such as the forum thread) so lazy people such as myself can find out for themselves |
| 06:49:16 | Llorean | midkay: He can still say "Well it looked like that message was old" |
| 06:49:17 | midkay | Llorean: and remove the outdated date. and voila. |
| 06:49:29 | midkay | and the forum thread, that makes current information. |
| 06:49:32 | Llorean | midkay: Still doesn't fix the front page looking like it's not updated often. |
| 06:49:35 | midkay | i think that covers all the necessary bases... |
| 06:49:36 | Llorean | The forum thread is locked |
| 06:49:42 | sharap | lol |
| 06:49:43 | Llorean | With a month and a half old last post. |
| 06:49:48 | Llorean | Because that's the last information there is. |
| 06:49:49 | midkay | should we open a new one? |
| 06:49:54 | Llorean | midkay: No. |
| 06:50:05 | Llorean | midkay: I closed it so people would stop asking "Is it done yet" despite all evidence to the contrary. |
| 06:50:10 | scorche | all we would get with it would be "when will it be done?" "is it done yet?" |
| 06:50:18 | sharap | how's that working then? |
| 06:50:27 | Llorean | sharap: I answer it a lot less these days |
| 06:50:36 | Llorean | sharap: But some people just can't believe we'd tell the truth on the front page of the site. |
| 06:50:43 | midkay | then just make sure it says "the 80gb model is not currently working at all." make it very clear that the writing is current. |
| 06:51:05 | Llorean | midkay: Or better yet "We WILL add the 80gb to this list when it works. Please do not ask." |
| 06:51:14 | midkay | Llorean: absolutely perfect. |
| 06:51:16 | sharap | yeah, that'd be a good idea |
| 06:51:36 | midkay | so that's our solution and i bet we get asked a lot less once it's put into effect.. meaning we can drop this! |
| 06:52:26 | ampleyfly | how come a large amount of the songs in .scrobbler.log are not "added" when uploading the log to last.fm? |
| 06:52:32 | ampleyfly | is it to do with tagging? |
| 06:52:53 | Llorean | ampleyfly: Have you opened up the .log yourself and looked at it to make sure they're there properly? |
| 06:53:57 | Llorean | Though yes, well tagged files are important for the feature to work, I believe |
| 06:54:15 | ampleyfly | Llorean: well, there are files added and files not added from the same album |
| 06:54:24 | ampleyfly | and they look similar to me in the log |
| 06:54:42 | ampleyfly | except for S and L |
| 06:54:46 | ampleyfly | which I guess is important |
| 06:55:11 | ampleyfly | like skip and log or something? |
| 06:55:19 | Llorean | I don't know what the S and L mean. |
| 06:55:56 | ampleyfly | oh. |
| 06:56:25 | safetydan | I think they do mean skip and log. |
| 06:56:35 | safetydan | Skipped songs won't be recorded in scrobbler |
| 06:56:38 | midkay | okay, i fixed the FAQ. now we just need frontpage write permission from someone. |
| 06:56:51 | ampleyfly | so, skipped as in not played for long enough? |
| 06:57:13 | ampleyfly | that, I guess, would be a good explanation |
| 06:58:41 | safetydan | amplefly, pretty much. If you skip before about half way through the song, it's not recorded |
| 06:59:02 | scorche | midkay: looks like you are waiting for the swedish trio |
| 06:59:04 | ampleyfly | mmk |
| 06:59:18 | midkay | scorche: i guess so. don't think anyone else has such access. |
| 06:59:23 | scorche | nope |
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| 07:00:18 | safetydan | amplefly, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LastFMLog explains the rules |
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| 08:25:54 | LinusN | yup |
| 08:26:24 | aliask | Exciting stuff. I'd wish them the best of luck but they might already be there. |
| 08:26:58 | aliask | What do we hope to get out of this as a best case scenario? Just datasheets? |
| 08:27:11 | aliask | Debug hardware? |
| 08:27:14 | LinusN | i just want the datasheets |
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| 08:29:14 | JdGordon | and a licesnse to write code from it... |
| 08:29:34 | aliask | Heh, that'd be a bit grim if they sued us after giving us the datasheet :P |
| 08:29:44 | Llorea1 | Grim, but not unbelievable. |
| 08:29:58 | JdGordon | no, they'd sue for making the code avilable... |
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| 08:31:59 | LinusN | their standard nda is not exactly airtight, but it doesn't explicitly allow open source code |
| 08:32:04 | JdGordon | they were 2 months ago... we'll wait and see how they are now.. |
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| 08:33:36 | cf-danky | Can someone help me. How do i add Flac to my ipod. Itunes wont add it :-\ |
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| 08:34:01 | Llorea1 | cf-danky: You can just copy the files across like you'd copy them to any disk. |
| 08:34:40 | cf-danky | I did that, and it wont be listed under database? and i think because it has no tags, it screwed up the theme :-\ |
| 08:35:04 | LinusN | then it will be sorted under <untagged> |
| 08:35:20 | cf-danky | What do you mean? |
| 08:35:27 | cf-danky | Alright, i dragged one file into my ipod |
| 08:35:30 | Llorea1 | If a file has no tags, the Rockbox database will show it as 'untagged' |
| 08:35:32 | cf-danky | so .. |
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| 08:35:46 | cf-danky | Where do i add this file? |
| 08:35:54 | cf-danky | i have it in k:\ |
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| 08:36:04 | cf-danky | where all the folders are |
| 08:36:04 | LinusN | cf-danky: if you are serious about using rockbox, and other file formats, you should drop itunes |
| 08:36:24 | cf-danky | I have no problem with that. :p |
| 08:36:33 | Llorean | cf-danky: Have you read the section of the manual on how to use the 'database' yet? You don't add individual files. You tell it to update, and it finds them. |
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| 08:36:46 | LinusN | cf-danky: create a folder in k:, for example "Music" |
| 08:37:00 | LinusN | and copy it there |
| 08:37:10 | LinusN | then read up on the Database |
| 08:37:12 | LinusN | in the manual |
| 08:37:37 | cf-danky | Alright thanks |
| 08:38:18 | LinusN | you're welcome |
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| 08:58:51 | cf-danky | Anybody got the dockpod aqua? |
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| 09:00:25 | | Join linuxstb_ [0] (i=d529f3ae@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) |
| 09:03:02 | linuxstb_ | dan_a: I read in the logs you were helping someone run ipodpatcher with a completely blank ipod. Apart from the check for "ipod" magic in the MBR, the other checks shouldn't be disablled - ipodpatcher modifies the firmware partition, so by definition requires one in the correct format to start with. The Apple bootloader in flash also requires a firmware partition in the right format, in order to load the firmware from it. |
| 09:05:12 | jhMikeS | pondlife: H300 problem? :P |
| 09:05:16 | linuxstb_ | If anyone has a similar problem, the required steps for restoring a blank ipod are: 1) Download the MBR for their ipod from the IpodConversionToFAT32 page, and dd it to the ipod, then unplug and reattach; 2) Downlload the .ipsw file for the ipod from http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/, unzip it, and then dd the Firmware-X.Y.Z file to /dev/sda1; 3) Format the FAT32 partition, making sure it's FAT32. |
| 09:06:04 | jhMikeS | Can't say I have that happen but the ata and scheduler changes are building now. |
| 09:06:11 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Just thought the symptoms sounded familiar.. |
| 09:07:11 | jhMikeS | try it out now :) |
| 09:09:30 | midkay | LinusN, still around? |
| 09:09:36 | LinusN | yes |
| 09:09:43 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:10:20 | cf-danky | Help me linus :( |
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| 09:11:35 | midkay | LinusN: i don't know if you saw the discussion earlier, but there was some debate over the word choice on the front page: "80gb model is not supported".. |
| 09:11:49 | LinusN | saw that |
| 09:11:53 | midkay | any thoughts? |
| 09:12:07 | LinusN | cf-danky: with what? |
| 09:12:26 | LinusN | midkay: i can change it to "doesn't work" |
| 09:13:02 | cf-danky | my progress bar |
| 09:13:08 | cf-danky | its too high |
| 09:13:31 | midkay | that sounds good.. s/not supported/doesn't work/ - same for the gigabeat S blurb too? |
| 09:14:23 | jhMikeS | argh |
| 09:17:52 | cf-danky | ugh everything isnt placed right |
| 09:18:15 | pondlife | jhMikeS: argh? |
| 09:18:39 | pondlife | Ah, red? |
| 09:18:47 | LinusN | cf-danky: i suspect your WPS requires a patched rockbox build |
| 09:18:56 | jhMikeS | yes...spotty build table... |
| 09:19:08 | pondlife | Now fixed, will svn up again... |
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| 09:19:10 | cf-danky | hmm. where would i do this? |
| 09:20:07 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Do you think this is an old problem? It seems odd that I've only noticed it recently, as perhaps has that FS reporter.. |
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| 09:21:03 | jhMikeS | I think it's a new one with the scheduler switch and the adding of boost to recording |
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| 09:21:49 | pondlife | Hmm, yellow spots still.. |
| 09:21:57 | jhMikeS | The higher the priority of the thread trying to access the disk, the more it was stopped by a low priority one |
| 09:22:14 | jhMikeS | another build will start soon |
| 09:22:38 | jhMikeS | svn up should be fine |
| 09:22:44 | cf-danky | (LinusN): How would i patch my rockbox build? |
| 09:23:04 | Llorean | cf-danky: You'll need to either read the guide to compiling, or download a pre-patched build from the forums. |
| 09:23:37 | cf-danky | I have no idea what your talking about :-\ |
| 09:23:56 | * | pondlife wonders if pre-patched builds without source are GPL compliant... |
| 09:23:58 | markun | cf-danky: in the forum there is a section with 'unsupported builds' |
| 09:24:02 | Llorean | pondlife: They aren't. |
| 09:24:16 | pondlife | Good job we're nice guys |
| 09:24:36 | cf-danky | Alright, im in there. Now just get one of those? |
| 09:24:47 | Llorean | pondlife: I'm planning on updating the 'POSTING IN THIS FORUM' with a notice regarding the GPL stipulation that you provide source and a copy of the license, then giving notice in the threads where source isn't provided. |
| 09:25:17 | jhMikeS | pondlife: If I disabled the priority scheduling the problem went away but not as dramatically as this will fix it. |
| 09:25:19 | Llorean | cf-danky: Well, you need to figure out what patch your theme requires (hopefully it says where you downloaded it from), and then download a build that includes that (or those) patch (or patches) |
| 09:25:58 | Llorean | pondlife: But then, I've been planning that for a little while now, and haven't managed to get around to it yet, because it includes a cleaning up of that forum, and the threads that haven't been updated in ages. |
| 09:26:42 | pondlife | Maybe the unsupported builds should be subdivided by target more too? |
| 09:26:48 | cf-danky | (Llorean): i have Arctic Desert and Dockpod Aqua |
| 09:27:04 | Llorean | pondlife: It can't, really. Some builds are for multiple targets. |
| 09:27:13 | pondlife | Ah, ok |
| 09:27:15 | Llorean | pondlife: And there's no restrictions on what range of targets a build can be for. |
| 09:29:02 | Llorean | cf-danky: I said that you need to see if they require patches. |
| 09:29:23 | Llorean | cf-danky: It's also possible that they just require the fonts. Did you download and install the fonts as the manual mentioned? |
| 09:29:45 | cf-danky | nooo lol |
| 09:29:49 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Looks good here. Seems to have made the whole thing more responsive too :D |
| 09:30:06 | jhMikeS | :) |
| 09:30:23 | Llorean | cf-danky: Well, you might want to try that. |
| 09:30:37 | pondlife | I'm still getting some odd stats from tagcache.c though!! |
| 09:30:51 | jhMikeS | stats? |
| 09:30:56 | pondlife | 130% complete |
| 09:31:19 | jhMikeS | well, that's tagcache's...erm...database's problem I think |
| 09:31:29 | pondlife | Indeed. |
| 09:31:39 | pondlife | Nowt to do with the kernel |
| 09:31:43 | jhMikeS | ummm...is the build server stuck? |
| 09:32:02 | cf-danky | Thanks llorean |
| 09:32:19 | pondlife | Probably not yet. It's been under estimating by 30 seconds recently |
| 09:32:50 | jhMikeS | I think it's a little more over than that by now...will wait |
| 09:33:05 | pondlife | Argh, just locked up my H340. |
| 09:33:20 | jhMikeS | how? |
| 09:33:37 | pondlife | Just browsing the database |
| 09:33:54 | cf-danky | Now just have to learn how to tag these FLAC files and ill be all set |
| 09:34:00 | jhMikeS | hmmm...no changes to that |
| 09:34:01 | pondlife | I think it may have just completed an update pass.... I'll get a pin and try again. |
| 09:34:16 | jhMikeS | I've run many an update pass by now |
| 09:35:05 | jhMikeS | yeah...that builds taking a long time allright |
| 09:35:06 | pondlife | OK, I can repro it... nothing to do with updates |
| 09:35:15 | pondlife | Disk indicator on though :( |
| 09:35:26 | jhMikeS | ah |
| 09:35:34 | pondlife | Maybe my database is corrupt - I'll reinit |
| 09:35:43 | jhMikeS | and build finished with green :) |
| 09:36:03 | pondlife | This is a hard lock, backlight not going out etc. |
| 09:36:19 | jhMikeS | only h300s....I swear :P |
| 09:36:25 | pondlife | Haha |
| 09:36:40 | * | pondlife throws it out of the window |
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| 09:37:05 | jhMikeS | Gigabeat, H120 and x5 were going smoothly. |
| 09:37:17 | pondlife | OK, try this. Go into Database > Artist > (pick an artist) > (pick an album) > (play a track).... |
| 09:37:51 | pondlife | Then press whatever key takes you back to the browser without stopping (e.g. SELECT). |
| 09:37:52 | jhMikeS | just fine |
| 09:38:11 | jhMikeS | fine again |
| 09:38:13 | pondlife | Press MENU |
| 09:38:21 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 09:38:23 | pondlife | Go into Database |
| 09:38:29 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 09:38:51 | pondlife | You should be back on the track you selected.. .press LEFT |
| 09:38:58 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 09:39:02 | pondlife | Press LEFT again |
| 09:39:05 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 09:39:07 | pondlife | LOCKUP |
| 09:39:13 | jhMikeS | fine here |
| 09:39:48 | pondlife | Happens every time here. <All tracks> highlighted and disk indicator lit. Playback not happening. |
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| 09:40:31 | tucoz | Hi, i have a c question. What does this mean? Or rather, why would you do this? #define void (*vec) (void) |
| 09:40:53 | jhMikeS | delete the database and build it again and see |
| 09:41:33 | pondlife | Yep. FWIW I have database in RAM with auto update on, but gather runtime off |
| 09:41:56 | pondlife | And dircache off |
| 09:42:15 | jhMikeS | me too...all the same |
| 09:42:36 | LinusN | tucoz: looks very wrong to me, should be a typedef |
| 09:42:41 | pondlife | Hehe database rebuild is *much* faster now.. 120% complete (12487 entries) |
| 09:42:55 | tucoz | LinusN, thanks. |
| 09:43:04 | pondlife | OK, rebuilt and rebooted |
| 09:43:28 | jhMikeS | yes, but recording or other activity will have their rightful priority access to the disk |
| 09:44:00 | pondlife | Still locks up totally :( |
| 09:44:07 | pondlife | Totally reproducible. |
| 09:44:27 | pondlife | When you press SELECT on the WPS, does it take you back to the file browser, not the DB browser? |
| 09:44:39 | jhMikeS | file |
| 09:45:04 | pondlife | Same here... I think that's unintentional, so maybe it's corrupted something? |
| 09:45:26 | * | pondlife tries to simplify the recipe |
| 09:45:56 | * | jhMikeS has a recipe but no bread |
| 09:46:19 | pondlife | AH, I've cleared settings and the problem has gone |
| 09:46:20 | jhMikeS | I'll check x5 out...been using H120 |
| 09:46:31 | pondlife | Let me reload my settings again |
| 09:46:44 | * | jhMikeS wonders why he just doesn't always tell people to do that automatically :P |
| 09:47:33 | * | jhMikeS is afraid the bigfoots' feet keep getting bigger |
| 09:47:57 | pondlife | OK, put my settings back and it locks up again |
| 09:48:28 | pondlife | Can you repeat the recipe and make sure you browse all the way back to the root dir when in the file browser part. |
| 09:48:50 | * | pondlife suspects "Follow Playlist" |
| 09:49:29 | Llorean | GodEater: Well, he did say he's using it as a disk to store them. |
| 09:49:52 | jhMikeS | nothing |
| 09:50:23 | jhMikeS | that was off |
| 09:50:25 | pondlife | OK, the problem didn't occur with Follow Playlist turned off |
| 09:50:33 | pondlife | I'll just repeat a few times |
| 09:50:52 | GodEater_ | Llorean: I'm still willing to bet against you ;) |
| 09:51:21 | Llorean | GodEater_: That's fair. I would bet against me too. |
| 09:51:37 | jhMikeS | still nothing |
| 09:51:58 | LinusN | gah, there's a nasty race in the audio init |
| 09:52:00 | pondlife | OK, seems to happen only with Follow Playlist On here. Tried both settings twice each |
| 09:52:03 | jhMikeS | this could change timings |
| 09:52:09 | GodEater_ | I feel really sorry for that legion guy in the gigabeat forum. He's clearly technically challenged - but he's been so polite all the way through his thread |
| 09:52:17 | Llorean | GodEater_: I can't believe that one user "just clicked format" not intending to wipe his disk. =/ |
| 09:52:27 | jhMikeS | !! |
| 09:52:39 | GodEater_ | Llorean: yes - he's not the brightest bulb |
| 09:53:02 | scorche | Llorean: i once had a customer accidently format his computer because he thought that he had a virus (in reality, he just had his numlock on and it was a laptop) |
| 09:53:17 | jhMikeS | !!!! |
| 09:53:26 | pondlife | !!!!? |
| 09:53:35 | scorche | i dont get how they can figure out how to format and yet, not know what numlock is |
| 09:53:39 | pondlife | Did you repro? |
| 09:53:49 | Llorean | scorche: One of my parents' friends, when I was younger, his wife accidentally formatted the C: drive while trying to format a floppy, but that's the worst format error I've seen in person (and that one's almost understandable, it was a typo) |
| 09:54:09 | * | GodEater_ looks at the A and C keys on his keyboard |
| 09:54:11 | pondlife | Hmm, it asks for the old volume label doesn't it? |
| 09:54:22 | pondlife | On a HDD I mean |
| 09:54:48 | Llorean | I'm not sure it did in the DOS 5.0 days, but I don't really remember for sure. ;) |
| 09:55:03 | GodEater_ | even so, some people don't get the link |
| 09:55:18 | GodEater_ | "Why is it asking me for the HDD label when all I want to do is format this floppy?" |
| 09:55:29 | GodEater_ | "oh well, it must have a good reason, so I'll just type it in" |
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| 09:55:46 | jhMikeS | pondlife: no such symptom on the build before the change? |
| 09:55:58 | Llorean | GodEater_: Well, people assume they've done the right thing. It's always "Oh, those silly programmers, they have it doing something unnecessary. Well, I'll jump through their hoops if I must." |
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| 09:56:11 | GodEater_ | Llorean: that was my point I think |
| 09:56:29 | pondlife | jhMikeS: I don't think so, will try |
| 09:56:36 | Llorean | LinusN: Does the race have symptoms, or is it a potential problem in the works? |
| 09:57:04 | LinusN | the symptom is that the voice file is not loaded at boot |
| 09:57:18 | LinusN | h300 |
| 09:57:25 | jhMikeS | H120 |
| 09:57:35 | Llorean | Ah |
| 09:57:47 | Llorean | So that's what's causing those people in the ML to think voice is defaulting to disabled? |
| 09:57:52 | LinusN | yes |
| 09:58:39 | LinusN | the audio buffer is reinitialized *during* the read() of the voice file |
| 09:58:48 | jhMikeS | the database on x5 is gonna take a looooooong time ... millions of files :) |
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| 10:04:42 | jhMikeS | LinusN: when did that start? |
| 10:05:08 | LinusN | it's an old bug, but it was revealed with the root menu patch |
| 10:05:26 | LinusN | since talk_id() is called when the root menu is displayed |
| 10:05:48 | LinusN | before the root menu, it was first called when the user pressed Menu |
| 10:05:54 | LinusN | i.e much later |
| 10:06:12 | LinusN | the asynchronous audio init is the problem here |
| 10:06:20 | jhMikeS | Then it's time to add the single call audio init I cooked up. |
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| 10:06:37 | LinusN | probably |
| 10:06:46 | jhMikeS | no anychronous and the last call |
| 10:06:54 | LinusN | does the audio init really take that long???? |
| 10:07:01 | jhMikeS | no |
| 10:07:08 | LinusN | i mean, why init in the background in the first place? |
| 10:07:33 | jhMikeS | some reason about initializing some sound setting but it's not relevant now at least |
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| 10:10:43 | jhMikeS | well, the single synchronous init was debugged and running aeons ago...better dig it up |
| 10:12:15 | LinusN | jhMikeS: i'll hack in a fix in the voice code in the mean time |
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| 10:13:25 | jhMikeS | ok...shouldn't take me long though |
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| 10:14:03 | LinusN | jhMikeS: i think the ATA spinlock issues are more important |
| 10:14:39 | jhMikeS | issues? not aware of anything related to that yet |
| 10:14:44 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Sorry, router locked up, about to try the old version.. |
| 10:14:59 | jhMikeS | you mean what pondlife is experiencing? |
| 10:15:00 | LinusN | jhMikeS: what's the deal with pondlife then? |
| 10:15:05 | pondlife | lol |
| 10:15:07 | jhMikeS | Don't know yet |
| 10:15:21 | pondlife | I can repro a hard lock, don't know if it's related to the new stuff yet though |
| 10:17:10 | pondlife | Just building revision 12687. |
| 10:17:29 | jhMikeS | ooh...the ata driver inspects mutex.locked directly ... not sure if that's important yet |
| 10:17:38 | jhMikeS | shouldn't be |
| 10:20:24 | pondlife | OK, I've definitely got the old version... it's running like a 3-legged dog again |
| 10:20:56 | jhMikeS | my millions of database entries just finished committing on the x5 :P |
| 10:21:11 | pondlife | The "good" news is that it still locks up |
| 10:21:17 | jhMikeS | hrm |
| 10:21:26 | pondlife | So your fix is not responsible. |
| 10:21:28 | jhMikeS | maybe it has to do with this audio init stuff |
| 10:21:51 | pondlife | It shouldn't be doing any init, audio is already playing |
| 10:21:59 | pondlife | Let me try without playback... |
| 10:22:16 | jhMikeS | My x5 just locked after a huge database commit |
| 10:22:32 | LinusN | nasty |
| 10:23:03 | pondlife | Mine might be committing too. It's just after I reboot... |
| 10:23:23 | pondlife | I wonder if I leave it 5 mins before I start the recipe... will that help? |
| 10:23:44 | jhMikeS | huge database and I can't even navigate it there. the one on the H120 is quite small. |
| 10:24:06 | pondlife | I've got nearly 13000 tracks |
| 10:25:05 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: hmm, how did it lock? |
| 10:25:14 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: and how many entries you have in the db? |
| 10:25:23 | jhMikeS | just navigating...and I have voice on |
| 10:25:31 | Slasheri | ah.. interesting |
| 10:25:41 | pondlife | I don't have voice enabled at all |
| 10:25:42 | jhMikeS | where do I read that one out |
| 10:25:50 | pondlife | There is an English.voice present though |
| 10:25:53 | Slasheri | you just have to guess :) |
| 10:25:59 | pondlife | Debug > Database |
| 10:26:03 | pondlife | or thereabouts |
| 10:26:35 | pondlife | The UI responsiveness is so much better now.. It's night + day. |
| 10:26:37 | jhMikeS | I have to bring it back up |
| 10:26:53 | jhMikeS | had to reset setting so it says 0 now |
| 10:27:48 | pondlife | If I use STOP rather than SELECT to exit the WPS, the browser behaves itself |
| 10:27:56 | pondlife | And there's no lockup. |
| 10:28:10 | LinusN | the talk fix is committed, you might want to try it |
| 10:28:14 | bluebrother | hmm. Is booting the OF on the mini2g broken? |
| 10:28:20 | jhMikeS | up to 10971 |
| 10:28:30 | jhMikeS | still climbing |
| 10:28:46 | jhMikeS | I have the HVSC too |
| 10:28:49 | jhMikeS | :) |
| 10:28:50 | Llorean | bluebrother: It shouldn't be unless they used the newer, but not newest, bootloader. |
| 10:29:08 | pondlife | LinusN: Thanks |
| 10:29:20 | bluebrother | it was me, and I used the current ipodpatcher from the download page |
| 10:29:29 | bluebrother | then I guess I messed something else up |
| 10:30:02 | bluebrother | just wasn't unsure if the boot problem got fixed. |
| 10:30:10 | Llorean | It _should_ be fixed. |
| 10:30:19 | pondlife | OK, if I exit the WPS with SELECT, then press STOP so playback is stopped, the lockup still occurs. |
| 10:30:21 | Llorean | Your bootloader, it doesn't show text, right? |
| 10:30:26 | bluebrother | right. |
| 10:30:35 | Llorean | Yeah, then it should be the version that's supposed to work. |
| 10:30:36 | pondlife | So it seems that the lockup and browser/root misbehaviour always occur together. |
| 10:30:46 | Llorean | 'Supposed to' being the operative bit. |
| 10:30:53 | Llorean | The problem was never solved, it just kinda went away. |
| 10:30:58 | bluebrother | but maybe I used the wrong button to boot of ... it's hold, isn't it? |
| 10:30:59 | Llorean | At least, if what I hear is true. |
| 10:31:08 | jhMikeS | pondlife: I probably have 30000 files or so and I couldn't do anything |
| 10:31:14 | Llorean | Yeah, turning hold on immediately after turning on the iPod should do it. |
| 10:31:31 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Couldn't do anything? You mean couldn't reproduce? |
| 10:31:35 | bluebrother | ok. I'll try again later, don't have the ipod handy atm. |
| 10:31:51 | jhMikeS | pondlife: no...couldn't navigate the UI |
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| 10:32:08 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Hard lockup? |
| 10:32:13 | jhMikeS | and the x5 has half the RAM |
| 10:32:14 | LinusN | pondlife: there is a chance that my voice fix could help in this case |
| 10:32:21 | pondlife | Just trying it now |
| 10:32:33 | jhMikeS | don't know about that since my backlight is usually on while debugging |
| 10:32:59 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Set it to go off after 10 seconds? |
| 10:33:45 | pondlife | LinusN: Nope, talk.c wasn't the problem. |
| 10:33:46 | jhMikeS | well, I was rebuilding to check my file count but I don't have much hope in getting one since once it's done I couldn't do anything at all |
| 10:34:19 | pondlife | Weird how Follow Playlist affects it. I suspect root_menu.c is corrupting something. |
| 10:35:05 | | Part countrymike ("Hasta la vista") |
| 10:35:26 | jhMikeS | you said dircache off? |
| 10:35:31 | pondlife | Yes |
| 10:35:35 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 10:35:35 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: are you sure it did commit? In commit phase, player could lock up for some time because qsort() for a huge table can take a long time |
| 10:35:39 | pondlife | But I don't know if that's relevant |
| 10:36:24 | jhMikeS | It went though and said it committed all 8 part |
| 10:36:24 | pondlife | Slasheri: Any way that could be made a bit more friendly? |
| 10:36:25 | jhMikeS | parts |
| 10:36:44 | jhMikeS | I didn't even have to navigate to the database though |
| 10:37:21 | pondlife | Slasheri: I always get > 100% complete progress - normally 120%... anything to worry about? |
| 10:37:33 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: ok, then it shouldn't have been the problem |
| 10:37:52 | Slasheri | pondlife: do you have dircache enabled? |
| 10:37:53 | jhMikeS | After it committed 8 parts after the reboot, it locked at the root menu |
| 10:38:30 | pondlife | No |
| 10:38:30 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: weird.. did you have autoupdate enabled? |
| 10:38:38 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 10:38:39 | Slasheri | pondlife: ok, then that counter cannot work |
| 10:38:52 | pondlife | Hmm, so why bother updating it? |
| 10:39:00 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: try disabling that if it makes any difference |
| 10:39:25 | pondlife | My lockup is not related to database building or committing. I waited for it to complete and I still crash. |
| 10:39:34 | Slasheri | pondlife: it's a debug menu and a glitch with the counter |
| 10:40:14 | pondlife | Slasheri: No worries, as long as it's not indicative of a wider problem. |
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| 10:40:59 | Slasheri | pondlife: shouldn't be. With autoupdate and dircache disabled, that percent counter can go above 100% if there are new entries |
| 10:41:00 | jhMikeS | I reset my settings and that disabled the auto update...no lock |
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| 10:41:11 | jhMikeS | I can update in the background just fine |
| 10:41:56 | Slasheri | ok, so auto update may have caused the lock-up |
| 10:42:19 | jhMikeS | I can record and update in the background just fine so I don't think it's ATA related |
| 10:42:45 | pondlife | OK, I have fixed my lockup |
| 10:42:53 | pondlife | One line mod in root_menu.c... no idea why |
| 10:43:07 | pondlife | Someone have a look at line 99 |
| 10:43:27 | pondlife | I changed this to: strcpy(folder, last_folder); |
| 10:43:27 | jhMikeS | If you make mistakes with disk routines...you get told very quickly :) |
| 10:45:07 | jhMikeS | you mean got rid of strcpy(folder, wps_state.current_track_path); |
| 10:45:08 | jhMikeS | ?? |
| 10:45:21 | pondlife | Yes. Made Follow Playlist inoperative in other words. |
| 10:45:48 | jhMikeS | is current_track_path NULL or other garbage? |
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| 10:46:00 | pondlife | I reckon it might be.... |
| 10:46:19 | pondlife | Hmm, it can't be NULL |
| 10:46:41 | jhMikeS | if not that, not initialized? |
| 10:47:02 | pondlife | I don't think it should even be going into this code. At no point did I want to see the file browser.. |
| 10:48:35 | jhMikeS | do a dump of current_track_path in a splash an see if it's garbage |
| 10:50:11 | jhMikeS | x5 is still happily updating the db in the background and recording at the same time ... this would kill things if the ata stuff or scheduler had a problem |
| 10:51:00 | pondlife | I'm certain this is a root menu problem, not a kernal/ATA issue. |
| 10:51:45 | pondlife | Nope, current_track_path is set up ok |
| 10:53:02 | jhMikeS | you know, strncpy should really be used though :\ |
| 10:53:35 | pondlife | Well, they are both paths... |
| 10:53:57 | pondlife | But strcpy should probably be removed completely if we're being good |
| 10:53:58 | jhMikeS | never assume that the lengths are ok... |
| 10:54:30 | jhMikeS | maybe I'll remove strcpy to encourage good bounds checking :D |
| 10:54:40 | pondlife | It's not a length thing here though. |
| 10:55:03 | pondlife | The problem is more that it shouldn't even be executing that code |
| 10:55:22 | jhMikeS | you checked the length with the same thing that locks up the system? |
| 10:55:30 | pondlife | Yes |
| 10:56:39 | jhMikeS | could be an uncaught stack overflow |
| 10:56:40 | pondlife | The other difference is that the variable 'folder' ends up with a full pathname (i.e. folder and file)... maybe that's not expected. |
| 10:57:40 | jhMikeS | If that buffer is allocated passed the end of the stack but not entirely used, the deadbeefs won't nescessarily be gone |
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| 10:57:46 | jhMikeS | but just an idea |
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| 10:58:28 | jhMikeS | pondlife: turn on the Catch Mem Access in the debug screen and try the lock |
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| 10:58:57 | pondlife | OK, which setting? |
| 10:59:09 | pondlife | Zero area (all)? |
| 10:59:09 | jhMikeS | just All |
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| 10:59:54 | pondlife | I0C: Debug ar 3103C3EE |
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| 11:00:19 | jhMikeS | Hit the zero area |
| 11:00:34 | pondlife | Why isn't catch mem access enabled all the time? Does it eat battery or slow things down? |
| 11:00:52 | amiconn | No, it would probably scare users |
| 11:01:04 | jhMikeS | It should |
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| 11:01:14 | pondlife | Yes, but better to find and fix bugs than let it hobble along IMHO |
| 11:01:44 | pondlife | The error occurred at the same point as the lockup previously, not earlier |
| 11:01:57 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Can you turn that on and try to repro? |
| 11:02:16 | pondlife | I have to get to Work now. |
| 11:02:30 | amiconn | The point is that the exact error address would only be helpful if (1) the user states the _exact_ build where it happened and (2) the corresponding .map files were available |
| 11:02:50 | amiconn | (2) is still not the case afaik |
| 11:03:10 | pondlife | True, but we could keep maps for our builds easily enough, surely? |
| 11:03:16 | amiconn | ...and (1) is very unlikely to happen for an average user |
| 11:03:56 | pondlife | Even a "useless" report of I0C would be of some use. It would perhaps reveal a recipe to repro if nothing else. |
| 11:04:01 | amiconn | If you have the exact build, the address and the .map file, you can look up the exact instruction within a function where it happens |
| 11:04:21 | amiconn | Memory guard is available on sh and coldfire |
| 11:04:31 | pondlife | Although the reputation of Rockbox would be lowered amongst the non-hackers |
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| 11:05:07 | pondlife | Maybe it could at least be made into a persistent setting - I assume it's per session at the moment? |
| 11:05:52 | jhMikeS | if I can get anywhere |
| 11:06:23 | jhMikeS | a couple clicks and it done for |
| 11:06:28 | pondlife | That might be a seperate issue - how many files? |
| 11:06:35 | pondlife | Can you get into the Debug menu? |
| 11:06:44 | jhMikeS | about 30200 so far |
| 11:07:27 | jhMikeS | I doubt it |
| 11:07:54 | jhMikeS | 31000 and climbing :) |
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| 11:08:18 | pondlife | That's a lot slower than here on an H340.. . |
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| 11:09:48 | pondlife | Or does it get progressively slower? |
| 11:10:23 | jhMikeS | I don't know |
| 11:10:59 | pondlife | I'm seeing about 1000 entries in 40 seconds |
| 11:11:08 | jhMikeS | If it's qsorting it will |
| 11:11:28 | pondlife | I don't think it qsorts until the committing stage |
| 11:12:11 | pondlife | Which does take ages, although I don't know if it does it this way when loaded to RAM... |
| 11:13:05 | jhMikeS | during the boot commit, the backlight is really unresponsive to come back on |
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| 11:13:21 | pondlife | Yep, that's the sorting part |
| 11:14:04 | jhMikeS | that should be addressed with a yield counter |
| 11:15:09 | jhMikeS | the whys and wherefores of preferring preemptive multitasking...much easier |
| 11:15:52 | pondlife | "10.36.24 # <pondlife> Slasheri: Any way that could be made a bit more friendly?" |
| 11:16:00 | pondlife | :) |
| 11:17:23 | jhMikeS | yes...yield...don't hog the CPU :) |
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| 11:19:24 | pondlife | How many last-chance recovery modes do Sansa put in their players? ;) |
| 11:20:08 | jhMikeS | Probably need to sign a NDA to find out |
| 11:21:09 | pondlife | Just read http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8443 ... lol |
| 11:21:31 | Llorean | pondlife: Considering how many people manage to use the recovery mode to mess up their player worse, it's a good thing there's so much further you can go. |
| 11:24:03 | pondlife | Yep |
| 11:24:40 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Did you get into the Debug menu yet? |
| 11:25:18 | jhMikeS | I'm there but load to ram was off as was auto update |
| 11:26:15 | jhMikeS | now load to ram is on |
| 11:26:55 | jhMikeS | no locks sans auto update |
| 11:27:42 | pondlife | I have auto update off now FWIW and it still crashes |
| 11:28:44 | pondlife | ?I |
| 11:28:47 | pondlife | Oops |
| 11:30:06 | jhMikeS | no crash yet |
| 11:30:19 | jhMikeS | though half my ram is gone |
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| 11:32:45 | jhMikeS | I0C: Debug at 3103A55E...as soon as I enabled follow playlist |
| 11:33:24 | jhMikeS | doing the recipe you gave |
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| 11:39:41 | jhMikeS | pondlife: still there? |
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| 11:40:55 | pondlife | Yes, |
| 11:41:05 | pondlife | Sort of |
| 11:42:00 | pondlife | Something in tree.c isn't expecting a full path (with file) in the current folder structure...? |
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| 11:43:13 | webguest43 | hello? |
| 11:43:23 | markun | what? |
| 11:43:39 | pondlife | brb, quick meeting... |
| 11:43:44 | webguest43 | nothin, just wanted to see if it works:D |
| 11:44:03 | markun | :) |
| 11:44:38 | webguest43 | never used irc until today... |
| 11:45:20 | markun | I started using it only a few years ago |
| 11:45:38 | markun | (because of rockbox) |
| 11:45:51 | jhMikeS | well, rockbox browse uses the path so I'd follow that down |
| 11:46:11 | webguest43 | shouldn't we receive some kind of info about the progress at AMS? |
| 11:47:06 | Llorean | webguest43: I'm not sure you'll hear anything until after they return. |
| 11:47:06 | LinusN | webguest43: i guess they are quite busy |
| 11:47:41 | webguest43 | that's nice to hear |
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| 11:53:04 | etyl | Hello, I've read the manual and I'm still stuck. I installed rockbox on my iPod (5th generation video) without any major problems but now it's not visible when I plug it in via usb. |
| 11:54:09 | etyl | I'm running kubuntu which previously to installing rockbox was automagically mounting it to /media/ipod but now when I plug it in rockbox recognises the usb cable reboots, thinks for a bit and then displays "ok to disconnect" |
| 11:54:24 | etyl | I've checked dmesg and it doesn't seem to be getting picked up at all |
| 11:54:28 | etyl | any ideas for where to start? |
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| 11:56:16 | Llorean | etyl: If you manually reboot the iPod to disk mode, does it work okay? |
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| 11:58:45 | etyl | Llorean: If by disk mode you mean rebooting into the Apple firmware, it currently isn't showing up booted into that firmware either. If you mean something else I may have missed something crucial in the manual. |
| 11:59:16 | Llorean | etyl: If you hold Menu+Select to reboot, and then immediately hold Select+Play it goes into disk mode. |
| 11:59:40 | amiconn | pondlife: Memory guard is currently per session, but on SH it survives rolo |
| 11:59:44 | Llorean | But even if you just reboot into the apple firmware, and then plug in the cable after that, you're completely outside of Rockbox at that point. If you still have problems it suggests that there's something else at play. |
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| 12:00:16 | etyl | Llorean: disk mode displays "ok to disconnect" |
| 12:00:26 | etyl | i'll reboot into windows and see if i've broken the cable |
| 12:00:27 | etyl | bye |
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| 12:08:09 | pondlife | amiconn: Would you object to it being a persisted setting? |
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| 12:08:58 | etyl | Llorean: Whatever it was, rebooting seems to be the solution. Some bug in kubuntu I guess. Thanks for the disk mode tip. |
| 12:08:59 | pondlife | I would certainly prefer to have it enabled at all times except if I'm running a party |
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| 13:09:12 | markun | What to do with "has there been any progress" posts in threads which clearly don't show any sign of progress? |
| 13:09:25 | markun | ignore, delete or reply? |
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| 13:12:58 | * | Ribs has no authority on the subject, but would personally say reply with an honest answer |
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| 13:14:48 | markun | Ribs: yes, perhaps is some cases there really has been progress which wasn't comunicated to the people reading the forums only |
| 13:14:56 | amiconn | LinusN: Isn't the wait for inited audio only needed for swcodec? |
| 13:14:57 | Ribs | indeed |
| 13:15:06 | Ribs | plus, it's nice to be honest about problems or lack of progress. |
| 13:15:15 | Ribs | this isn't microsoft, after all |
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| 13:17:26 | markun | Ribs: no, I don't want to be dishonest about the lack of progress, but usually progress will be visible anyway so people don't have to ask about it |
| 13:18:14 | Ribs | indeed |
| 13:18:26 | Ribs | a lot of projects just ignore the 'any progress' questions |
| 13:19:37 | desowin | 'any progress' questions are irritating |
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| 13:52:31 | LinusN | amiconn: probably, since the init will always be done on hwcodec |
| 13:52:48 | LinusN | the fix is only temporary |
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| 13:53:23 | Siku | Heya. I have 1st gen iPod Nano with the latest Rockbox build (today's one). Whenever I try to play my Vorbis files, after few seconds of playback Rockbox crashes with "Data abort at 40001324" error message. |
| 13:54:06 | LinusN | Siku: have you upgraded to the latest bootloader? |
| 13:54:14 | jhMikeS | LinusN: yes...quite temporary :) |
| 13:54:25 | LinusN | jhMikeS: :-) |
| 13:54:46 | Siku | LinusN: nope. So there is a new bootloader available? |
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| 13:54:51 | LinusN | yes |
| 13:54:56 | jhMikeS | no problems with voice and single stage |
| 13:55:08 | Siku | oi, need to test with that one |
| 13:56:09 | webguest65 | i do also have a problem with vorbis files and the build from yesterday. but it only tells me "codec failure" |
| 13:56:20 | webguest65 | i am using 1st gen nano |
| 13:57:23 | LinusN | webguest65: try the latest bootloader |
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| 13:57:53 | LinusN | and make sure you have extracted *all* files from the zip |
| 13:58:19 | webguest65 | i have installed the bootloader yesterday |
| 13:59:25 | webguest65 | and i have extracted them all. there is a vorbis.codec file in the .rockbox\codecs directory |
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| 14:00:01 | LinusN | then i have no other clues |
| 14:00:30 | webguest65 | hmpf. i will try to install it again as soon as the build is green |
| 14:00:39 | LinusN | it's not green? |
| 14:01:11 | LinusN | looks good to me |
| 14:01:16 | webguest65 | now it is :) |
| 14:02:23 | jhMikeS | pretty good space savings too |
| 14:02:41 | webguest65 | installing the bootloader is just done by calling ipodpatcher.exe, isn't it? |
| 14:02:57 | preglow | nice |
| 14:04:22 | jhMikeS | well, my voice is starting ok now so anyone inclined check out that is loads allright |
| 14:14:25 | Siku | LinusN: Installing the new bootloader solved the problem. Thank you! |
| 14:15:50 | LinusN | Siku: great |
| 14:17:53 | preglow | god, imagine what a support nightmare this would be without ipodpatcher :> |
| 14:18:46 | webguest65 | mine does work again, too. i am not sure what it was, but i guess it was a corrupt file system |
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| 14:26:47 | Siku | hmm.... Now it won't boot to the disc mode, it only boots to Rockbox when I connect my iPod to USB |
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| 14:29:19 | Siku | nevermind, I think the problem is with XP not recognizing any USB devices on my system. Reboot should fix it... |
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| 14:42:18 | mattzz | Anybody with svn superpowers here? |
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| 14:43:44 | rp- | hello |
| 14:44:05 | rp- | AMS is/was awesome! |
| 14:44:21 | mattzz | had a good meeting? |
| 14:44:33 | rp- | yes |
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| 14:44:57 | mattzz | so there is hope for sansa with sound :-P |
| 14:45:38 | rp- | well, i think we have all the information |
| 14:45:56 | mattzz | what about the NDA stuff? |
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| 14:48:19 | mattzz | rp-: are you allowed to talk about it? :-) |
| 14:48:46 | rp- | we have a datasheet, but we may only able to give it to core developers |
| 14:49:07 | rp- | we have more talkings about that at 5 o'clock |
| 14:49:30 | mattzz | That's fair enough. Great! |
| 14:50:05 | mattzz | Seems to be a major breakthrough |
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| 14:52:44 | markun | rp-: good to hear! |
| 14:53:53 | preglow | cool, cool |
| 14:53:58 | preglow | i look forward to hearing about the results |
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| 15:02:57 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: the whole idea about the two-phase audio initialization was that lengthy init operations (such as the pcm_init, might take over 1s on iriver) is done in background so other initializations can be done without slowing down the boot process |
| 15:04:45 | preglow | were there any comments to reveal that fact? :> |
| 15:06:32 | markun | Slasheri: a little tagcache question: |
| 15:06:56 | markun | eh, dircache actually |
| 15:07:27 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Why are so many variables declared 'volatile'? |
| 15:08:07 | markun | when rockbox returns from USB mode it starts scanning in the background. When I shutdown rockbox (while scanning) and boot again dircache scans, but in the forground this time |
| 15:08:23 | markun | Slasheri: can it be fixed to also scan in the background? |
| 15:08:39 | jhMikeS | amiconn: dunno...not my doing |
| 15:08:59 | jhMikeS | Shasheri: Well, which iRiver? |
| 15:09:18 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: Hxxx with the UDA codec |
| 15:09:45 | Slasheri | markun: hmm, should be fixable |
| 15:09:47 | jhMikeS | I don't think that little bit of code is gonna take 1s or even .01s |
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| 15:10:03 | preglow | there are sleeps in it, i think |
| 15:10:08 | preglow | pop prevention |
| 15:10:36 | Slasheri | yep, there is a very long pop prevention sleep.. just a moment |
| 15:10:40 | jhMikeS | yes, the UDA...hardly noticeable really. |
| 15:10:47 | jhMikeS | in pcm_init |
| 15:11:40 | jhMikeS | pcm_init can go on another thread if one prefers |
| 15:12:05 | Slasheri | i would prefer that |
| 15:12:44 | Slasheri | the old preinit did that just fine |
| 15:13:20 | preglow | Slasheri: any plans on updating RockboxKernel, btw? :> |
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| 15:13:44 | preglow | oh |
| 15:13:46 | preglow | there's been an update |
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| 15:14:28 | jhMikeS | I think it was overkill |
| 15:14:34 | Slasheri | there is sleep(HZ); |
| 15:14:42 | Slasheri | preglow: already uploaded the new picture :) |
| 15:14:52 | Slasheri | that explains more than a thousand words ;) |
| 15:14:52 | rp- | so... our internet ticket is running out and.. hmmm.. |
| 15:14:55 | rp- | see ya |
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| 15:15:04 | jhMikeS | and obviously was problematic |
| 15:15:51 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: how? audio_init() could/should wait until the preinit is done |
| 15:16:14 | jhMikeS | the voice race condition |
| 15:16:24 | Slasheri | yeah, i saw that |
| 15:16:28 | Slasheri | need to examine code more |
| 15:16:56 | jhMikeS | Is this really only to accomodate the UDA? |
| 15:17:30 | Slasheri | or the audio initializations could be three-phase :) |
| 15:17:39 | Slasheri | that would prevent it |
| 15:18:16 | preglow | jhMikeS: several other drivers sleep too, afaik |
| 15:18:23 | Slasheri | audio_preinit(), audio_block_until_initialized(), talk_init(), audio_init() |
| 15:18:26 | Slasheri | or something like that |
| 15:18:28 | jhMikeS | I'm looking...can't find it |
| 15:18:28 | preglow | the wm8975 does, but as of now to a lesser degree |
| 15:18:29 | * | amiconn sincerely doubts that the pop prevention needs a full second |
| 15:18:40 | Slasheri | amiconn: it needs |
| 15:18:41 | preglow | amiconn: i believe it was tested |
| 15:18:45 | Slasheri | amiconn: and even more is better |
| 15:18:49 | jhMikeS | 10s |
| 15:19:11 | Slasheri | probably that last commit should be reverted |
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| 15:20:35 | jhMikeS | I think it can be worked out such that outputs can be enabled separately |
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| 15:29:29 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The X5 also pops on boot iirc |
| 15:30:01 | jhMikeS | amiconn: yes...you can sleep all day with that one though |
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| 15:30:24 | jhMikeS | I think I can rearrange things and not add any stages |
| 15:31:56 | jhMikeS | seems like all traces of residual voice boost are gone though as well |
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| 15:41:22 | jhMikeS | one thing I've learned...if noone's telling you you're doing things wrong, you're certainly not doing things right :P |
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| 15:45:20 | jhMikeS | haha ?? |
| 15:46:25 | jhMikeS | anyway...I'm just tired as heck atm |
| 15:50:44 | preglow | we need some kind of collective rockbox ai here that knows everything |
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| 15:53:35 | jhMikeS | well, to me, waiting a little is no biggie really but I can accomodate. |
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| 15:53:59 | preglow | i don't care too much either, but there are several startup time junkies in here |
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| 15:54:50 | preglow | and i can see how it's worth keeping it down |
| 15:54:54 | jhMikeS | I can keep it pretty much to starting the drivers only and not risk any race conditions. |
| 15:55:06 | preglow | the wm8975 can sleep for three seconds and still pop on startup |
| 15:55:32 | preglow | hmm |
| 15:55:34 | preglow | makes me wonder |
| 15:55:40 | preglow | perhaps the ipod bootloader enables it for us |
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| 15:55:56 | preglow | why, oh why, do i always end up reading disassemblies these days |
| 15:56:22 | jhMikeS | cause you like to peep at naughty things? |
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| 15:56:41 | preglow | well, i do do that |
| 15:57:02 | preglow | hmm, bootloader does indeed touch the wm |
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| 15:59:08 | preglow | it does quite a few things to it, actually |
| 15:59:42 | preglow | bah, it's got the entire init sequence retailos itself has |
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| 16:00:25 | preglow | possibly because of diag moe |
| 16:00:26 | preglow | mode |
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| 16:09:53 | jhMikeS | maybe I should async the lcd startup too? that can take a bit. |
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| 16:11:05 | preglow | jhMikeS: will count ever be 0 for the resamplers? |
| 16:12:28 | jhMikeS | no |
| 16:12:44 | jhMikeS | nor for any other function since the dsp while loop checks that |
| 16:12:50 | preglow | goodie |
| 16:12:58 | preglow | oh, does it |
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| 16:13:18 | jhMikeS | and if the resample returns 0 it breaks |
| 16:13:21 | jhMikeS | resampler |
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| 16:14:22 | preglow | so if pos is 0, the first iteration of the loop is always going to happen |
| 16:14:23 | preglow | goodie, goodie |
| 16:14:49 | preglow | something must have happened to my brain since i wrote asm last |
| 16:14:57 | preglow | it seems ill-suited to the purpose now |
| 16:14:58 | preglow | heh |
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| 16:18:18 | jhMikeS | yeah, my asm only checks bounds if pos > 0 |
| 16:19:14 | preglow | yeah, i see |
| 16:19:46 | preglow | can't look at your asm too much, it'll probably write better arm asm if i don't |
| 16:19:50 | preglow | i'll <- |
| 16:20:09 | preglow | i'm still not entirely 100% good at using arms features |
| 16:20:10 | * | bluebrother gets annoyed by JoaquimDiaz in the wiki |
| 16:21:04 | preglow | bluebrother: what's he up to? |
| 16:21:09 | bluebrother | I really don't understand why he repeatedly reverts my explanations. |
| 16:21:19 | bluebrother | preglow: see the IriverFlashing page |
| 16:21:30 | preglow | mail him and ask |
| 16:21:33 | bluebrother | he always talks about some "Files" folder. |
| 16:22:16 | preglow | yeah, i see |
| 16:22:18 | preglow | not very good terminology |
| 16:23:10 | preglow | there's an email addy on his page, just ask |
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| 16:23:50 | preglow | if he persists in doing so, just revoke his write perms |
| 16:25:02 | markun | preglow: scary that anyone with write permission can do that :) |
| 16:26:03 | preglow | well, it is a wiki, everybody is free to harass everyone else in whatever fashion they wish :P |
| 16:26:27 | XavierGr | double edged knife indeed |
| 16:26:28 | preglow | markun: i kinda think that should be fixed, though |
| 16:26:50 | Febs | bluebrother: I think that the way that you wrote it in revision 23 is perfect. |
| 16:26:51 | preglow | give edit privs to that page only to people who can be trusted |
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| 16:29:42 | GodEater_ | ust chiming in here, but I agree, this JoaquimDiaz is a blithering idiot |
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| 16:31:33 | w1ll14m | hmmm what did he edited on the IriverFlashing page ? |
| 16:32:02 | markun | w1ll14m: he changed 'root folder' to 'Files folder' |
| 16:32:11 | jhMikeS | boy that got me once allready calling audio_set_crossfade without having two certain variables initialized...and again |
| 16:32:12 | GodEater_ | look at the history of changes w1ll14m |
| 16:32:30 | w1ll14m | markun: that's indeed stupid |
| 16:32:45 | w1ll14m | GodEater_: I couldn't see it... maybe i'm getting blind ..... ;) |
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| 16:33:05 | markun | w1ll14m: and he did it more than once.. |
| 16:33:27 | w1ll14m | markun: isee, but WhyTheHeck would he do that ? |
| 16:33:48 | GodEater_ | w1ll14m: see my comment about him above ;) |
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| 16:34:24 | w1ll14m | GodEater: you mean 'this JoaquimDiaz is a blithering idiot' |
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| 16:34:35 | GodEater_ | yup ;) |
| 16:34:37 | * | w1ll14m Agrees with that |
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| 16:35:44 | w1ll14m | but i'm an idiot too ;) but i don't do such things ... (i do others like not understanding some words on fs :)) |
| 16:35:55 | w1ll14m | lol |
| 16:36:06 | XavierGr | wow this guy is obsessed with editing iriverflash page |
| 16:36:18 | w1ll14m | I wouldn't even dare to edit those pages |
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| 16:38:00 | w1ll14m | Damn .... he's a person from the netherlands....... |
| 16:38:18 | w1ll14m | i'm a shamed...... |
| 16:38:31 | J_d | I've refined and edited the flashing procedure because i found that the H1xx fl expanation for flashing was way to longwinded, unclear, and missing info |
| 16:39:44 | Febs | The point that raied this discussion is that you are erroneously referring to "File" as being the root of the file system, which it is not. |
| 16:39:51 | Febs | raied/raised |
| 16:40:23 | J_d | ok, thats a mistake, but bluebrothers explanation was very long winded and unclear, |
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| 16:41:08 | w1ll14m | J_d in that case i would have contacted a dev about this or someone at irc |
| 16:41:08 | J_d | my idea was to simply and create a step by step procedure which would be simple and easy to follow |
| 16:41:17 | Febs | His initial description was quite clear: "Stop audio playback and navigate to the filesystem root folder (through the Files entry in the Rockbox menu) where the rockbox.iriver file is" |
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| 16:41:41 | J_d | I DID try and begged, but noeone was interested, i even asked Loolearn to proff read it |
| 16:42:14 | J_d | so dont tell me that I didn't try to conntact a dev here, i tried until i was blue in the face |
| 16:42:49 | markun | J_d: well, sorry for that then :) |
| 16:43:17 | Febs | We've got two different discussions going on here. There's nothing wrong with editing the wiki and trying to improve the documentation. There IS something wrong with the specific change that you made. That's all. |
| 16:43:36 | w1ll14m | as i said '[16:30.51] <w1ll14m> I wouldn't even dare to edit those pages' especialy if no one is interested |
| 16:43:53 | w1ll14m | but that is how i think ;) |
| 16:44:03 | nls | jhMikeS: You initialize some variables with the NOCACHEBSS_ATTR attribute in playback.c, I think these should be changed to NOCACHEDATA_ATTR. They are probably cleared on targets for which NOCACHEBSS_ATTR is defined otherwise (pp-targets). |
| 16:44:56 | bluebrother | J_d: hi ... I have no problem with you improving the wiki, but please make sure the information you are writing is correct. |
| 16:45:04 | J_d | i'm hapyy with that, but please understand, my idea was just to simplify that procedure and not turn it into a rambling soliloquy on how to find a file |
| 16:45:29 | bluebrother | I even added a lenghty description (which was also meant as hint) on how to find the file |
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| 16:45:46 | bluebrother | I don't see any need in making this lengthy, but I think it's needed to be correct. |
| 16:46:06 | bluebrother | the new main menu has already caused quite some confusion. We don't need to add more ... |
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| 16:46:23 | bluebrother | as I wrote, "Files" not necessarily takes you to the root of the filesystem. |
| 16:46:23 | markun | bluebrother: most poeple seem to like it |
| 16:46:31 | J_d | true, i agree, but i found that your explanation for finding a file was complex and longwinded |
| 16:46:52 | bluebrother | markun: it's not that I dislike it ... I'm just somewhat unpleased by the confusion it caused |
| 16:47:28 | markun | bluebrother: is there anythink confusing in particular (anything that can be fixed)? |
| 16:47:32 | bluebrother | J_d: feel free to make it better. If you keep it in a correct and clear way I don't have any problems with that. Yours was simply wrong. |
| 16:47:49 | jhMikeS | yeah, well now the startup is faster than before and no bugs and no queue looping |
| 16:47:57 | J_d | understood, thanks |
| 16:48:06 | markun | jhMikeS: and smaller code? |
| 16:48:08 | bluebrother | markun: I don't think it can easily be fixed. It's just how people understand that menu |
| 16:48:10 | jhMikeS | of course |
| 16:48:17 | jhMikeS | always small code ;) |
| 16:48:26 | markun | yes, that's the way to fix bugs :) |
| 16:48:28 | markun | simplify |
| 16:48:28 | lostlogic | jhMikeS: I'm glad you did away with that 2-phase init on audio man, very glad. |
| 16:48:36 | bluebrother | if we consider it as a main menu (which we do afaik) we should do so consequently |
| 16:48:47 | bluebrother | even if it's called "root menu" in the source −− that doesn't matter. |
| 16:48:52 | jhMikeS | lostlogic: It's baaaaaaaaaack....because some don't like the delays |
| 16:49:08 | bluebrother | at least not to users ;-)= |
| 16:49:15 | lostlogic | delays? |
| 16:49:24 | markun | jhMikeS: at my work there used to be a guy who fixed bugs by adding extra code to work around them instead of finding them :) |
| 16:49:28 | GodEater_ | markun: could you try to reproduce a bug for me on your gigabeat ? |
| 16:50:01 | jhMikeS | markun: I usually find it most useful to fix bugs by deleting code and then working forward to tweak it. |
| 16:50:10 | Febs | bluebrother, J_d, look at the revision that I just made and let me know what you think. |
| 16:50:14 | markun | jhMikeS: yes, exactly what I think |
| 16:50:20 | J_d | k. |
| 16:50:37 | bluebrother | Febs: looks good to me |
| 16:50:43 | jhMikeS | so I deleting lots of code till Slasheri had a heart attack and wanted me to revert it all :) |
| 16:50:48 | GodEater_ | markun:if I have music playing, and I have auto change folder turned on, *and* I'm in the file browser when rockbox attempts to load the next file from the next folder, I get a codec failure |
| 16:51:39 | nls | jhMikeS: did you see my previous message? |
| 16:51:39 | bluebrother | somewhat similar to r23 ;-) |
| 16:52:05 | J_d | Febs: looks good, I would change "Following" to as "Follows" |
| 16:52:18 | GodEater_ | in fact, if anyone else could attempt to reproduce that bug - that would be cool |
| 16:52:19 | roolku | GodEater: IIRC this is an ancient bug (from when acf was introduced) |
| 16:52:30 | jhMikeS | nls: which previous? |
| 16:52:32 | J_d | Febs: First Initialize your player as following: |
| 16:52:58 | nls | jhMikeS: (repost) :-) You initialize some variables with the NOCACHEBSS_ATTR attribute in playback.c, I think these should be changed to NOCACHEDATA_ATTR. They are probably cleared on targets for which NOCACHEBSS_ATTR is defined otherwise (pp-targets). |
| 16:52:59 | GodEater_ | roolku: oh really ? |
| 16:53:07 | Febs | J_d: I agree. I was looking only at the specific bullet point that was the source of our disagreement. |
| 16:53:13 | GodEater_ | roolku: and no-one has ever tried to fix it ? |
| 16:53:18 | J_d | sure, thanks |
| 16:53:18 | roolku | GodEater: acf is very fickle - it doesn't also work when you are in plugins etc |
| 16:53:27 | jhMikeS | nls: I didn't add NOCACHEBSS_ATTR |
| 16:54:00 | nls | jhMikeS: no, but it was already there, and it makes those variables go to ibss for pp targets |
| 16:54:10 | roolku | GodEater: it has been discussed on IRC but I don't think anyone fixed it, no |
| 16:54:16 | J_d | thanks, later. |
| 16:54:25 | GodEater_ | roolku: is there a flyspray for it ? |
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| 16:54:35 | markun | GodEater_: latest build? |
| 16:54:37 | amiconn | nls: If the variable isn'tz initialised, it should go to bss |
| 16:54:47 | GodEater_ | markun: it's from yesterday actually |
| 16:54:52 | nls | amiconn: yes, but it IS initialized |
| 16:54:53 | roolku | GodEater: no idea - I only remembered it when you mentioned it |
| 16:54:56 | markun | GodEater_: mine is too |
| 16:54:58 | markun | I'll try it |
| 16:55:04 | GodEater_ | I can update to today's if you like, but if what roolku says is true then it won't matter |
| 16:57:21 | markun | an, didn't read his remarks |
| 16:58:30 | GodEater_ | I don't recall ever seeing the bug occur on my H140 - I though it was gigabeat specific |
| 16:58:41 | GodEater_ | guess I just never happened to be in that situation on the H140 |
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| 17:01:23 | jhMikeS | nls: I just wanted inits to be explicit ... |
| 17:02:21 | nls | jhMikeS: ah, ok, I just think that they won't be inited for pp targets but if it doesn't matter... :-) |
| 17:02:33 | jhMikeS | they won't be zeroed? |
| 17:02:57 | jhMikeS | ok, I get it...I"m falling asleep |
| 17:03:05 | * | preglow gives jhMikeS uppers |
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| 17:03:32 | * | markun passes him some downers so he can finally go to sleep |
| 17:03:36 | w1ll14m | brb guys ;) |
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| 17:03:42 | * | jhMikeS .... more more more .... async init doesn't voice the inital menu item automatically |
| 17:04:34 | jhMikeS | so I have to stay awake however many hours it takes ... |
| 17:09:00 | preglow | you _have_ to? :> |
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| 17:10:29 | jhMikeS | well, some people can't wait 1 second :)) |
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| 17:12:55 | preglow | haha |
| 17:12:56 | jhMikeS | ...but if they can wait one second for several hours ... all will be well |
| 17:12:59 | preglow | i wouldn't mind |
| 17:13:09 | preglow | rockbox has been far, far more broken than this |
| 17:13:15 | preglow | for longer than a couple of hours |
| 17:13:35 | jhMikeS | not on my watch *stands up and salutes* |
| 17:13:42 | GodEater_ | hehe |
| 17:13:43 | * | roolku rather has a pop than waits the extra second |
| 17:14:12 | roolku | the boot times on gigabeat are a major pain coming from a romboxed h140 |
| 17:14:15 | jhMikeS | the main thing is really the audio driver init |
| 17:14:34 | roolku | (unrelated comment) |
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| 17:15:01 | pondlife | roolku: How much quicker is an H140 once romboxed? Compared to normal Rockbox... |
| 17:15:05 | jhMikeS | runs times on a gigabeat are a major relief coming from anything |
| 17:15:42 | jhMikeS | but mostly you're watching the nice forest scene for so long |
| 17:16:08 | preglow | yes, sirety sir sir sir! |
| 17:16:27 | roolku | pondlife: it depends on wps and other stuff, but the improvement was significant |
| 17:20:04 | GodEater_ | roolku: have you tried the speedy boot GBSYSTEM on the wiki somewhere ? |
| 17:21:04 | raphi | hi there! just a little question, does the iaudio X5 automatically charge if it is connected through usb? if yes, is there a possibility to listen while charging? if no, is there something i must do that it charges my accu? |
| 17:21:44 | bluebrother | anyone knows a source of free gameboy roms for creating screenshots for the manual? |
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| 17:25:18 | roolku | GodEater: no, I haven't seen it.... |
| 17:25:22 | * | roolku goes looking |
| 17:26:05 | toffe82 | for the gigabeat, I will do some test to try to reflash the bootloader next week when I recieve the jtag interface. I hope the jtag is active. |
| 17:26:41 | toffe82 | If it is ok , after we can do it by soft, but we will have a way to recover in case of a crash |
| 17:26:42 | markun | toffe82: good to hear! |
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| 17:27:03 | roolku | toffe82: that sounds good :) |
| 17:27:29 | markun | toffe82: we just need someone with a JTAG interface to test the bootloader everythime we want to release one |
| 17:27:40 | toffe82 | no problem |
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| 17:28:43 | The-Compiler | Hello |
| 17:28:54 | toffe82 | If it is working, I think I will put togehter a small kit so everybody who want it can use it, just sold a connector on the gigabeat , which can stay when the case is closed and when you want to debug or reflash, just ope the case and connect the interface |
| 17:29:29 | The-Compiler | Can i get the "recent SVN activity" in a RSS-Feed?? |
| 17:29:38 | GodEater_ | roolku: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/GigabeatFXPort?rev=2;filename=GBSYSTEM.zip |
| 17:29:39 | raphi | no idea how to charge an iaudio X5 per usb? |
| 17:30:03 | bluebrother | The-Compiler: no, but you can look for the rss feed of the rockbox-cvs mailing list (which is basically the same) |
| 17:30:09 | * | roolku is ready for soldering - has two spare working motherboards :) |
| 17:30:48 | The-Compiler | bluebrother: Where can I get it? |
| 17:30:54 | jhMikeS | raphi: it just does |
| 17:31:01 | markun | roolku: please don't destroy any of the last few Gigabeats alive :) |
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| 17:32:19 | raphi | jhMikeS: ok, and is there a possibility to listen to the sound while charging? |
| 17:32:55 | jhMikeS | not from usb,no |
| 17:33:04 | bluebrother | The-Compiler: argh, forgot to mention gmane |
| 17:33:13 | raphi | jhMikeS, thanks! |
| 17:33:21 | bluebrother | rss feed for the gmane archive for rockbox-cvs |
| 17:33:35 | GodEater_ | jhMikeS: does holding menu while plugging in the usb cable not work like it does on iPod and Gigabeat ? |
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| 17:34:19 | roolku | GodEater: hm, I wonder what exactly has been done "basically getting rid of the OF(original firmware) and just having nearly empty files" |
| 17:34:21 | bluebrother | http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.systems.archos.rockbox.cvs |
| 17:34:26 | roolku | GodEater: let me try it :) |
| 17:34:46 | GodEater_ | roolku: open them up in a text editor and you'll see - their pretty small |
| 17:34:51 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: i think single-phase audio init is ok too if you can prevent that huge delay other way |
| 17:34:58 | Slasheri | *stage |
| 17:34:59 | jhMikeS | GodEater_: no, it just goes to usb mode |
| 17:35:01 | GodEater_ | it makes a bit of difference to boot speed for me anyway |
| 17:35:30 | jhMikeS | Slasheri: It needs to decouple for pcm_init. Nothing else really delays anything. |
| 17:35:45 | Slasheri | exactly |
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| 17:38:09 | jhMikeS | I think the audio thread can do the whole thing in one step and just wait to be released at the end really. |
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| 17:38:58 | Slasheri | hmm, maybe. but then it should be called earlier (where the preinit call was) |
| 17:39:13 | jhMikeS | yes |
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| 17:43:10 | lowlight | The-Compiler: my little secret ;) http://www.feed43.com/rockbox-rss-svn.xml |
| 17:44:04 | markun | lowlight: thanks |
| 17:44:37 | The-Compiler | lowlight: Thx too |
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| 17:46:27 | lowlight | Sure. I think it updates every 6 hours, so it's usually a little behind the main page. |
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| 17:48:08 | roolku | GodEater: seems to shave off 2s ... but you lose your safety net of being able to boot OF... |
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| 17:49:49 | markun | roolku: who wants that anyway :) |
| 17:50:14 | lowlight | Some more rss feeds I made on feed43.com: rockbox-rss-patches.xml, rockbox-rss-bugs.xml, and rockbox-rss-feature-requests.xml |
| 17:50:37 | The-Compiler | Yeah, thx |
| 17:50:51 | roolku | markun: only for emergency USB when I have broken rockbox.gigabeat |
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| 17:58:27 | markun | roolku: do you have a X? |
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| 18:04:18 | * | ender` yawns |
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| 18:13:45 | roolku | markun: no there don't seem to be any around in the UK :( |
| 18:16:16 | The-Compiler | Is anyone here, who speaks German? |
| 18:16:58 | * | roolku The-Compiler I do |
| 18:17:31 | roolku | The-Compiler: I do |
| 18:17:44 | The-Compiler | roolku: Cool! /j rockbox-de |
| 18:18:14 | The-Compiler | If it's possible |
| 18:19:53 | markun | roolku: then you can use the 'rescue mode' in the bootloader (it currently doesn't work on the X) |
| 18:20:30 | roolku | markun: hm, I tried it once and it didn't work - will try again |
| 18:23:32 | roolku | markun: works now :) Good to know. Cheers |
| 18:24:59 | roolku | markun: how do I get out of it? |
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| 18:37:27 | bluebrother | w |
| 18:37:40 | bluebrother | hmpf. Wrong window ... |
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| 18:45:40 | roolku | petur: did you ever get a chance to try the eeprom stuff on h300? |
| 18:46:00 | petur | I tried reading it and it looked ok |
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| 18:46:21 | roolku | petur: good :) |
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| 18:50:40 | bluebrother | hmm. Looks like booting into AppleOS doesn't work on my mini |
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| 18:51:34 | bluebrother | any ideas? Wasn't there a way to load AppleOS from a file? |
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| 18:53:05 | bonbonthejon | bluebrother: on my 4g I just needed to turn it on, then switch the hold |
| 18:54:30 | bluebrother | bonbonthejon: I know that solution, it simply doesn't seem to work: apple logo comes up, backlight a bit later, backlight turns off. Nothing happens until I reboot the ipod |
| 18:55:18 | bonbonthejon | bluebrother: do you have a very recent bootloader |
| 18:55:40 | bluebrother | yes. Downloaded today ;-) |
| 18:55:48 | pixelma | bluebrother: maybe a stupid question... did you check before installing rockbox if apple OS is present/works? |
| 18:56:05 | bluebrother | pixelma: it works. I even uninstalled the bootloader and can run AppleOS |
| 18:56:33 | bluebrother | only the dual booting doesn't work. Not that I care too much about it, but it would be nice |
| 18:56:43 | bluebrother | like for some comparisons etc. |
| 18:57:24 | pixelma | hmm.. no idea then... I'm not exactly an Ipod expert :) |
| 18:57:34 | bonbonthejon | bluebrother: I booted back into Apple's OS, and I was amazed at how bad it was, I had forgotten |
| 18:57:58 | bluebrother | me neither ... bought an ipod to be able getting the feeling of RB myself ;-) |
| 18:58:08 | bluebrother | RB on ipod even |
| 18:59:29 | preglow | jhMikeS: think i've nearly halved the size of dsp_downsample compared to gcc code, so it should at least have SOME impact |
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| 19:01:08 | siracs | hi |
| 19:03:20 | bluebrother | hi |
| 19:05:07 | jhMikeS | good going :) ... on our way to rockbox as one noop |
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| 19:09:46 | siracs | hmm .. i'am using rockbox now some month on my iriver h10 |
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| 19:11:42 | maeck | Is it so that the current IpodVideo builds are broken (audio playback) |
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| 19:11:46 | preglow | jhMikeS: shorter than your cf code too :) which is one of the nice parts about arm |
| 19:11:59 | preglow | it usually does yield less lines of code if there's not too much ldr/str going on |
| 19:12:48 | jhMikeS | Why are ARM images larger in general? |
| 19:13:30 | preglow | instructions are always 32 bits and compilers suck |
| 19:14:19 | preglow | now for the first downsampler test |
| 19:14:24 | preglow | my guess is we'll have a data abort of some kind |
| 19:14:40 | dan_a | maeck: They shouldn't be, but if you are getting a data abort when you try to play music then you probably need to update your bootloader |
| 19:14:59 | preglow | only a hang :// |
| 19:15:02 | jhMikeS | Or rice Crispie sounds |
| 19:15:06 | maeck | aha!, that could be it. I still had an bootloader from January 2006 |
| 19:16:11 | dan_a | maeck: Then, yes, that will be it. Installing a new bootloader is very easy now. |
| 19:16:38 | jhMikeS | was looking at the compiler code for those mutexes and just really wanted more asm for that too |
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| 19:17:08 | jhMikeS | hard to resist it it is |
| 19:18:35 | preglow | heh |
| 19:18:39 | preglow | it gets addictive :P |
| 19:19:39 | jhMikeS | gcc almost never takes advantage of status codes set by any instruction other than cmps :( |
| 19:20:46 | preglow | that's one thing it seldom does right indeed |
| 19:21:00 | preglow | especially annoying for arm, where a flag in each instruction decides whether to affect status regs |
| 19:21:08 | preglow | and each instruction can act upon the flags |
| 19:21:16 | preglow | makes for really small conditional stuff |
| 19:21:22 | jhMikeS | not for gcc |
| 19:21:25 | preglow | heh |
| 19:21:29 | preglow | it sometimes does clever stuff |
| 19:21:30 | preglow | often not |
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| 19:22:06 | jhMikeS | oddly the one non-cmp opcode I've seen it use status codes for is move...which tends to be the most useless |
| 19:22:51 | preglow | there's some more coldfire work coming in gcc at 4.3 |
| 19:22:54 | preglow | lets hope that's good |
| 19:23:00 | preglow | if 4.2 EVER gets out if limbo first, that is |
| 19:23:02 | preglow | of too |
| 19:23:38 | jhMikeS | I hope it improves things alot...rockbox would suddenly be about half size if it did. |
| 19:23:52 | preglow | heh |
| 19:23:59 | preglow | you could go head and learn gcc internals, you know :PP |
| 19:24:12 | preglow | i tried, but i just turned out even more crazier than i was when i started trying |
| 19:24:17 | jhMikeS | I've considered it |
| 19:24:28 | preglow | there's a lot to learn before you can do useful stuff |
| 19:24:46 | jhMikeS | I've considered we should have our own custom compilers |
| 19:25:00 | preglow | we already do require patches for some targets, so. |
| 19:25:00 | preglow | .. |
| 19:25:21 | jhMikeS | That's gonna be a long staring job ... :\ |
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| 19:26:27 | jhMikeS | I've started to notice its canned approach to both CPUs ... same basic functional outlines on stuff |
| 19:27:18 | dan_a | While we're talking compilers, why would I get Undefined Instruction errors when trying to run thumb code? |
| 19:28:17 | preglow | because you somehow tried to jump there without bx? |
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| 19:28:53 | dan_a | I'll check, but I don't think so... |
| 19:29:09 | siracs | i've looked around .. is there any place where i can help the developers for the h10 to bring radio to life? |
| 19:29:49 | axyjo | hi |
| 19:30:09 | axyjo | does anyone know the eta of rockbox for the 80 gb ipod video? |
| 19:30:21 | thegeek | no planned eta axyjo |
| 19:30:28 | axyjo | i c |
| 19:30:32 | thegeek | linusn is working on it, but he is a very busy man |
| 19:30:34 | dan_a | axyjo: There's no ETA. The problem is known, but solving it takes time |
| 19:31:00 | Arathis | siracs: If you can port it, yes. The H3x0 radio code is quite usable for the h10 as far as I know. |
| 19:31:05 | jhMikeS | there was a bx stuck in there |
| 19:31:05 | axyjo | but cant you just change the new 5.5 30gb version and change the number of cylinders or something? i'm pretty sure the underlaying software is the same |
| 19:31:16 | thegeek | axyjo: the harddrive is different |
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| 19:31:25 | thegeek | in such a way that requires a major rework of the ata code |
| 19:31:28 | axyjo | ahh.. i c |
| 19:31:50 | thegeek | and the ata code is apparently very complex and hard to modify |
| 19:32:08 | jhMikeS | If I didn't know better, I'd say they just had a compiler for x86 emit different opcodes |
| 19:32:30 | axyjo | thanks |
| 19:32:44 | * | siracs knows a bit or two bout coding .. but never done it so close to the hardware |
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| 19:33:17 | * | jhMikeS didn't know the ata code was complex...someone should have said something before he changed things today :P |
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| 19:33:54 | thegeek | hehe |
| 19:33:59 | thegeek | am I wrong? |
| 19:34:22 | thegeek | I seem to remember some discussion about it beeing optimized for low memory usage, and thus somewhat hard to modify |
| 19:34:23 | jhMikeS | It's pretty straight forward really. The FAT code is a bit more intimidating. |
| 19:34:26 | thegeek | aah |
| 19:34:27 | thegeek | sorry |
| 19:34:29 | thegeek | I meant fat code |
| 19:35:02 | jhMikeS | yeah, that's a tangle |
| 19:35:39 | dan_a | I think I've found my thumb code problem - preglow: there isn't an implied change to thumb mode if you pop the PC off the stack in ARMv4 |
| 19:36:10 | siracs | so when i want radio on the h10, i have to port it myself? |
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| 19:36:36 | jhMikeS | I guess I know nothing about FAT structure though, that would help know why it is what it is |
| 19:36:37 | Arathis | siracs: or find someone who can |
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| 19:37:38 | axyjo | does anyone know of any other homebrew software to run on the ipod? |
| 19:37:41 | dan_a | siracs: I think the main thing will be finding which GPIO pin is attached to the radio. You can either do that by tracing it on the circuit board or disassembling the original firmware |
| 19:37:56 | dan_a | axyjo: There is iPodLinux |
| 19:38:08 | axyjo | does it work with 5.5g 80gb ipods? |
| 19:38:50 | axyjo | September 2006 5th gen iPods (Brighter backlight, Quick Search function, AKA 5.1/5.5/5th Gen Enhanced) do not work yet... unfortunately not |
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| 19:39:11 | thegeek | I think it does work |
| 19:39:23 | siracs | dan_a: ah .. maybe i will ask a friend bout that disasempling |
| 19:39:42 | jhMikeS | files need to be case-only renamable ... and I see regular old mutexes there ... should try the spinlocks on it. It improved the ata enormously. |
| 19:40:54 | dan_a | axyjo: I think there was a change made recently to make the 80Gb's work, but you would be better off asking that in #ipodlinux |
| 19:41:09 | axyjo | thanks for the channel! |
| 19:41:16 | siracs | there are two cpu cores in the h10 .. as in most ipods, is the second used in any way? |
| 19:43:27 | dan_a | siracs: Since last weekend, yes. The second core decodes music (or video when you use the Mpegplayer plugin) |
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| 19:44:19 | siracs | playing Doom AND hearing music .. that rocks!! |
| 19:44:48 | siracs | .. hmm .. maybe it's called rockbox cause of this |
| 19:45:02 | muesli__ | you wont hear approaching monsters anymore ;) |
| 19:45:52 | siracs | damn .. but it's a step in the right direction |
| 19:46:34 | dan_a | siracs: I don't think music and doom work at the same time |
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| 19:54:37 | jhMikeS | preglow: any resampling happening yet or is it still downsampling by 100%? |
| 19:54:49 | jhMikeS | or would that be inf? |
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| 19:59:02 | * | dan_a waits impatiently for news from rp- and austriancoder |
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| 20:14:38 | preglow | jhMikeS: had to go, gonna work more on it now |
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| 20:30:47 | austriancoder | ls |
| 20:30:51 | austriancoder | hi all |
| 20:30:56 | petur | hey |
| 20:31:05 | austriancoder | so.. the meeting is over |
| 20:31:16 | petur | tell us! |
| 20:31:23 | austriancoder | and a lot of good news |
| 20:31:54 | austriancoder | I hope to get audio playback ready until tomorrow - i have a lot of time in the train |
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| 20:32:25 | XavierGr | wow nice indeed |
| 20:32:52 | XavierGr | any details? |
| 20:32:59 | austriancoder | also i got an as3514 testing board, wich i can connect to usb :) |
| 20:33:38 | austriancoder | so.. we got the datasheet, but it will not be public accessable |
| 20:33:52 | XavierGr | but the code can be under GPL right? |
| 20:34:20 | austriancoder | at the moment only two of us (rp- and I) have the datasheet - code will be under GPL |
| 20:34:46 | austriancoder | ASM also wants to use RockBox on their new player to show to costumers what can be done |
| 20:35:31 | Galois | AMS? |
| 20:35:34 | XavierGr | that is just great |
| 20:35:40 | dan_a | Fantastic! |
| 20:35:43 | XavierGr | austrian microsystem is my guess! :P |
| 20:35:51 | * | austriancoder thinks that a wiki page would be fine to tell the world about the day.. which ended with some beers with our contact person *g* |
| 20:35:52 | dan_a | Are you allowed to share the datasheet at all? |
| 20:36:24 | austriancoder | dan_a: only to some "core" developers.. |
| 20:36:36 | austriancoder | Galois: AustrianMicrosystems |
| 20:38:02 | dan_a | austriancoder: Wonderful news! What is their device like? Is it based on the AS3525? |
| 20:39:16 | austriancoder | dan_a: how the development of their reference player will look like.. we will get some developerboards - one costs about 3000 euro - and we can start porting |
| 20:39:41 | dan_a | Do we have documents for that too? |
| 20:39:50 | austriancoder | Their player is as3525 based.. or as3517/18.. dont know.. |
| 20:40:12 | austriancoder | yes.. but we will get the documetens.. same rules as for the as3514 datasheet |
| 20:40:41 | austriancoder | oh.. and we get also their low-level drivers to look at it.. today was a good day |
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| 20:43:17 | preglow | austriancoder: cool! |
| 20:44:04 | dan_a | austriancoder: I can't wait for sound on the Sansa! |
| 20:44:50 | preglow | will be extremely nice |
| 20:45:08 | austriancoder | dan_a: you need to wait until tomorrow :) As my laptop battery is empty i can only sit here in an internet cafe and can wait until my train is here, where i can connect the laptop to power |
| 20:45:41 | XavierGr | with sound on sansa the port will be complete right? |
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| 20:46:29 | dan_a | XavierGr: It will still be missing USB, and there are massive improvements that can be made in the LCD and flash drivers |
| 20:46:32 | austriancoder | dan_a: at the moment i am looking how to send data over i2s to the as3514 |
| 20:46:40 | saratoga | astriancoder: dan_a and Bagder are about as core as the sansa people get, could you send them datasheets? |
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| 20:47:11 | dan_a | austriancoder: Did rp- share the emails I sent him last night with you? |
| 20:47:28 | austriancoder | dan_a: i am not sure.. |
| 20:48:21 | dan_a | They said what MrH had done to get sound on his Sansa |
| 20:48:29 | austriancoder | saratoga: i will see.. maybe |
| 20:48:39 | saratoga | what did MrH do? |
| 20:48:52 | saratoga | austriancoder: ok thanks |
| 20:48:52 | austriancoder | dan_a: okay, he told me that |
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| 20:49:31 | austriancoder | dan_a: but how can i conntact MrH? |
| 20:49:35 | dan_a | saratoga: MrH was able to get a datasheet a long time ago, but wasn't able to share what it said due to the NDA |
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| 20:49:55 | dan_a | austriancoder: via Bagder |
| 20:50:32 | austriancoder | dan_a: okay |
| 20:50:41 | * | austriancoder will try it with firmware/target/arm/pcm-pp.c |
| 20:52:11 | austriancoder | only 6 minutes left.. than i have no internet, until i am in the train |
| 20:52:54 | preglow | niec feature request |
| 20:52:59 | preglow | requesting we implement codecs we already have |
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| 20:55:28 | dan_a | And some that very few people would use |
| 20:56:55 | austriancoder | so.. time is over.. see you |
| 20:57:18 | dan_a | bye. Well done! |
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| 21:03:03 | gold | hey there |
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| 21:04:06 | dan_a | Hi gold |
| 21:04:45 | gold | i have only one question |
| 21:05:12 | gold | i have this iriver ihp 100 series with 20 gb hdd, i dunno if its a 120 then or not, it has the text ihp-100 on it |
| 21:06:06 | gold | is it safe to flash it with the rockbox, or there is a chance to get it totally dead? cos i can't buy another anymore... |
| 21:06:08 | gold | :S |
| 21:06:39 | gold | anyone? |
| 21:07:47 | preglow | the chance is always there |
| 21:08:02 | preglow | but i don't know if it's actually happened to a user yet |
| 21:08:10 | dan_a | gold: I don't know a lot about the ihp series, but I think I've heard someone say that a 100 is different to a 120 - but both support Rockbox. |
| 21:08:24 | preglow | if it's got 20 gigs, it's a h120 |
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| 21:08:39 | preglow | it says ihp-100 ? |
| 21:08:42 | preglow | ah, then it's probably something else |
| 21:08:46 | preglow | mine says ihp-120 |
| 21:08:47 | gold | oh geez |
| 21:08:48 | gold | no damn |
| 21:09:04 | gold | i'm dumb, it's box, or disc or something says 100, i see its a 120 |
| 21:09:21 | gold | black one |
| 21:09:36 | preglow | then you should be fine |
| 21:09:39 | gold | i just haven't took it off from its cover since...since i bought it lol |
| 21:09:44 | preglow | rockbox is great on the h120 |
| 21:09:51 | gold | so normally i won't get a dead player |
| 21:09:55 | preglow | correct |
| 21:10:05 | gold | with..um |
| 21:10:06 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:10:09 | gold | just a moment to be sure |
| 21:10:20 | preglow | if the unit itself says ihp-120 over the display, it's ok |
| 21:10:48 | gold | yep |
| 21:10:59 | gold | so this: rockbox-h100-20070309-html.zip |
| 21:11:04 | gold | is the correct one |
| 21:11:30 | gold | umm these are the manuals |
| 21:11:46 | preglow | yea |
| 21:12:54 | gold | and iriver 120/140 is the correct version |
| 21:13:01 | gold | for the rockbox.zip |
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| 21:13:17 | gold | anyone know any places where i can still buy one anyways |
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| 21:18:33 | dan_a | Can anyone tell me how to do this Makefile section correctly? http://pastebin.ca/388048 - I want it to expand to one dependency for each of the input files but can't work out how to do it correctly |
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| 21:19:33 | perl|work | does this still work? |
| 21:19:35 | perl|work | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5241 |
| 21:21:16 | * | preglow don't do makefiles |
| 21:21:41 | saratoga | perl|work: is there some reason that patch was never comitted? |
| 21:22:36 | perl|work | probably cause it has limitations |
| 21:22:39 | perl|work | like filesize |
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| 21:23:05 | rp- | hi |
| 21:23:41 | dan_a | Hi rp-! |
| 21:23:50 | dan_a | It sounds like you had a good day today |
| 21:24:37 | rp- | oh yeah |
| 21:24:43 | rp- | it was awesome |
| 21:24:50 | rp- | interesting and funny |
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| 21:26:40 | amiconn | Hrmm, charcell icons are broken, probably by the root menu |
| 21:26:50 | rp- | we had some beer with our contact person:) |
| 21:26:54 | amiconn | The AUDIO icon doesn't get disabled again |
| 21:27:05 | rp- | all paid by him or AMS |
| 21:27:05 | petur | *trigger* |
| 21:27:16 | preglow | woe is me |
| 21:27:22 | preglow | i should have been there |
| 21:27:33 | dan_a | Darn, why wasn't it IsleOfManMicrosystems?! |
| 21:30:17 | bluebrother | petur: do you have a highlight on beer? ;-) |
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| 21:30:39 | rp- | hehe |
| 21:30:45 | petur | heh no, I just happen to see that word pass when I glance at the irc window ;) |
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| 21:31:02 | bluebrother | so it's an eyes highlight :) |
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| 21:31:19 | petur | it's build-in in me :D |
| 21:31:33 | bluebrother | core feature :D |
| 21:31:52 | saratoga3 | rp: I'm curious what you think of the new player AMS wants you to develop for |
| 21:32:08 | rp- | its a very nice piece of hardware |
| 21:32:28 | rp- | it was able to play mpeg4 |
| 21:32:35 | dan_a | austriancoder said that the development boards are 3000 euros each |
| 21:32:40 | bluebrother | sounds interesting |
| 21:32:42 | preglow | dirt cheap! |
| 21:32:51 | rp- | yep thats right |
| 21:33:03 | dan_a | I'll wait till there's a broken one on ebay, then! |
| 21:33:53 | rp- | players with that chip should be available this winter |
| 21:34:08 | saratoga3 | what chip is it? |
| 21:34:16 | saratoga3 | a DAC or a complete SOC? |
| 21:34:26 | rp- | complete SOC, with ARM9 |
| 21:34:43 | saratoga3 | and they're actually providing documentation for it? |
| 21:34:57 | rp- | and low level source driver code |
| 21:35:00 | saratoga3 | *loses monocle* |
| 21:35:28 | * | petur managed to run configure on a windows share in ubuntu (virtualbox) but make fails: 'execvp: /bla/tools/svnversion.sh: Permission denied' -> how to set permissions? |
| 21:35:42 | jhMikeS | chmod? |
| 21:35:58 | bluebrother | petur: chmod +x tools/svnversion.sh |
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| 21:36:22 | perl|work | rp- do they have the design already, casing etc? |
| 21:36:43 | rp- | today we had at first some common intruduction about the company, then some common information about the AS3514 and then some details about every register and the settings |
| 21:37:34 | rp- | AMS has finished the chip completly, i had a delevopment model in my hand with a firmware from AMS running, that was able to run doom :) |
| 21:37:49 | perl|work | hehe |
| 21:37:57 | dan_a | I wonder who they got that idea off?! |
| 21:38:31 | petur | bluebrother: didn't change a thing... must be related to the fact the folder is shared from windows... mount option wrong? |
| 21:38:54 | * | petur is completely new to linux |
| 21:38:55 | rp- | austriancoder got a complete development board of the AS3514, with i2c,i2s interface and a software that shows every register value |
| 21:38:55 | bluebrother | possibly. |
| 21:39:14 | bluebrother | maybe it can't set the x flag on windows drives? |
| 21:39:54 | bluebrother | you could try adding a "bash" in front of the call to svnversion.sh |
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| 21:42:30 | petur | bluebrother: worked... now I need to upgrade svn client... |
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| 21:46:39 | petur | bleh... did apt-get install subversion, it says latest version is installed. but svnversion.sh says client is too old. doesn't like tortoisesvn it seems. So much for standards :( |
| 21:47:07 | bluebrother | I guess tortoise is too new ;-) |
| 21:47:31 | bluebrother | I recently had a similar issue: subclipse stopped working after I used tortoise svn. |
| 21:47:47 | bluebrother | they changed some things about how the svn data is stored. |
| 21:48:23 | * | petur scraps idea of using ubuntu-in-a-box as buildmachine |
| 21:48:23 | bluebrother | but IIRC that was part of the last major release, i.e. from 1.3 to 1.4 |
| 21:48:54 | petur | i have 1.4.3 so that will be it :( |
| 21:49:59 | amiconn | Using a *nix build machine running on top of a windows share doesn't help build speed anyway |
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| 21:50:25 | bluebrother | seems there aren't much nice wps for the mini around :( |
| 21:50:27 | petur | amiconn: it should be faster than cygwin, no? |
| 21:50:34 | amiconn | no |
| 21:50:49 | amiconn | It will be times faster if you build on a *nix filesystem |
| 21:51:13 | amiconn | The cygwin build slowness is not due to cygwin itself, but due to the windows filesystem layer |
| 21:51:32 | XavierGr | yes I tried it too |
| 21:52:03 | XavierGr | trying to compile rockbox from linux on VMware on a windows shared filesystem was slower than cygwin |
| 21:52:04 | amiconn | I also tried microsoft sfu, which suffers from the very same problem |
| 21:52:23 | petur | urgh |
| 21:52:42 | amiconn | sfu is a bit faster than cygwin, but not much |
| 21:53:03 | XavierGr | petur: I suggest to try the linux vmware image and just have all the developing source on vmware, you will just have to have vmware running to open the sorce |
| 21:53:06 | XavierGr | source too |
| 21:53:16 | amiconn | Might just have been due to my testing environment |
| 21:53:30 | petur | I have a fully working ubuntu image in virtualbox |
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| 21:53:48 | XavierGr | ah okay then |
| 21:54:02 | euz_ | does anyone here use cue sheet support? |
| 21:54:16 | XavierGr | ask amiconn :P |
| 21:54:21 | XavierGr | (kidding of course) |
| 21:54:22 | amiconn | urgh |
| 21:54:35 | perl|work | euz_ i do |
| 21:55:03 | euz_ | could you compile an iriver iHP-120 package for me? :) |
| 21:55:14 | amiconn | ? |
| 21:55:27 | amiconn | cue support is in svn... |
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| 21:55:43 | euz_ | it was merged? |
| 21:55:43 | XavierGr | petur I tried to overcome the no-vmware-running=no-files problem mounting the virtual vmware disk on windows, but then you can't run vmware when the virtual disk is mounted |
| 21:56:03 | perl|work | euz_ almost a month ago |
| 21:56:50 | bluebrother | I haven't tried it, but can't you access partitions directly? I.e. create a ext3 partition and access it from both systems |
| 21:56:52 | euz_ | interesting, does the packages on the page have it? |
| 21:57:09 | euz_ | or I have to svn and compile? |
| 21:57:14 | XavierGr | bluebrother: that actually sounds like an interesting idea |
| 21:57:55 | euz_ | use samba |
| 21:57:59 | amiconn | bluebrother: Accessing a filesystem from more than one OS simultaneously is asking for serious trouble.... |
| 21:57:59 | bluebrother | I quite frequently access my ext3 partitions from windows. |
| 21:58:04 | XavierGr | I might try this someday. Windows can have quite nice ext3 support |
| 21:58:33 | amiconn | ...even if only one OS actually writes to the partition |
| 21:58:36 | XavierGr | amiconn: but isn't it the same with samba? |
| 21:58:37 | bluebrother | amiconn: right, but I don't know how vmware handles the accesses |
| 21:58:47 | amiconn | XavierGr: No it's not |
| 21:58:53 | euz_ | wether using windows inside linux or linux inside windows, it is better to use samba |
| 21:59:32 | euz_ | there's a huge difference |
| 21:59:44 | amiconn | XavierGr: When sharing a folder with samba, only one OS is accessing the actual filesystem |
| 21:59:49 | XavierGr | ok I will not argue on that, I can't say I know much on this subject |
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| 22:00:13 | XavierGr | ah yes, seems logical that way |
| 22:00:13 | euz_ | in samba, there's only one system writting to the file system's information track |
| 22:00:28 | amiconn | The other(s) is/are accessing it via the network *through* the one OS that accesses the actual filesystem |
| 22:00:45 | XavierGr | still I think that bluebrother's idea will be neat if it can be done successfully |
| 22:00:50 | preglow | man, i wish i never tried to open my nano |
| 22:00:56 | preglow | the clickwheel gets stuck sometimes :/ |
| 22:01:02 | XavierGr | :( |
| 22:01:12 | bluebrother | someone needs to check if vmware handles that in a way that it doesn't scream for trouble |
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| 22:01:25 | amiconn | bluebrother: It can't |
| 22:01:36 | XavierGr | bleuborther: I will try it maybe tomorrow |
| 22:01:55 | XavierGr | the worst thing that can happen is destoying the test ext3 partition |
| 22:02:04 | amiconn | The only way it would work reliably would be if *both* sides *never* cache filesystem structures |
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| 22:02:23 | bluebrother | hmm. Right, forgot about OS caching. |
| 22:02:37 | amiconn | But filesystem drivers practically always cache structures, otherwise performance would suck big time |
| 22:02:54 | * | bluebrother remembers to have "nice" effects by caching when writing a FAT16 driver some while ago |
| 22:03:01 | euz_ | preglow, that's the price you pay to hack hardware, you save money here and there, and then lose it some stupid mistake |
| 22:04:07 | euz_ | like hotpluging SATA hardware, and connecting SATA power cable to to another drive's IDE |
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| 22:05:52 | preglow | haha |
| 22:05:55 | preglow | haven't lost it yet, though |
| 22:06:06 | preglow | it works fine, sometimes it just isn't very friendly |
| 22:08:01 | euz_ | I lost a 200gig HDD in that mistake |
| 22:08:24 | euz_ | I could have sent it for RMA, but I'll keep it to retrieve data |
| 22:10:11 | euz_ | there's a british site that sells old HDDs and a malasian site that sells HDD logic boards |
| 22:10:34 | euz_ | the malasian site seems dead as disco, but I'm hopeful |
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| 22:10:54 | gold | :S i'm afraid |
| 22:11:32 | preglow | of what? |
| 22:11:51 | jhMikeS | What happened to the Vorbis codec? It's boosting like 80-90% on my H120 and every other format is ok. It used to boost only 19%. |
| 22:12:41 | preglow | oh? |
| 22:12:48 | preglow | it hasn't been touched for ages, afaik |
| 22:12:50 | euz_ | the hdd on my H120 belly up, ever heard of anyone writing a CF to it instead of a hdd? |
| 22:13:10 | preglow | jhMikeS: bitrate? |
| 22:13:21 | jhMikeS | same files different boost |
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| 22:14:09 | preglow | jhMikeS: seems to behave nicely here, h120 |
| 22:14:11 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Did you try to revert your priority stuff? |
| 22:14:11 | jhMikeS | Doom spc is only boosting 73% as usual ... I'm freaking out a bit |
| 22:14:19 | jhMikeS | no |
| 22:14:35 | preglow | r12673, apparently |
| 22:14:54 | jhMikeS | It should have no effect whatsoever on this |
| 22:15:27 | euz_ | what's booting? cpu usage? audio technical term? |
| 22:16:03 | euz_ | memory usage? |
| 22:16:13 | preglow | booting is (re)starting something |
| 22:16:54 | preglow | jhMikeS: new build now, nothing seems to have changed |
| 22:17:13 | * | amiconn things there's a typo involved |
| 22:17:20 | amiconn | Hehe, *thinks |
| 22:17:20 | euz_ | a program is much like a governmental apparatus, the greater, the more inefectual |
| 22:17:52 | jhMikeS | preglow: you're running vorbis on a new build and it's ok for you? |
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| 22:18:23 | preglow | jhMikeS: aye |
| 22:18:38 | preglow | only updatede the rockbox.iriver file, though, but that's all that's changed anyway |
| 22:18:40 | jhMikeS | My build isn't pure...was messing with the init sequence |
| 22:19:28 | euz_ | how long do you have your H120 jhMikeS? |
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| 22:19:35 | webguest26 | hi all |
| 22:19:35 | jhMikeS | But it just doesn't really make sense. I'm just panicing cause I'm so tired I can sleep :P |
| 22:19:36 | Llorean | euz_: In the context of Rockbox, the core on most devices is run at one of two speeds, referred to as unboosted and boosted, so 'boosting' refers to moving to the boosted speed, and 'boost ratio' is how much time spent at that speed. |
| 22:19:55 | jhMikeS | euz_: Maybe 4 or 5 months I think |
| 22:19:59 | deadhead | hi guys, i'm experiencing a strange behaviour on my ipod mini 2g: all the build after 3.III.07 hang on boot: boot up, show splash, turn light on and stop. I have to hard reboot ipod [menu+center] |
| 22:20:06 | webguest26 | anyone know how to replace the hdd in a ihp 140 ? |
| 22:20:26 | petur | webguest26: check MR |
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| 22:20:49 | Llorean | webguest26: Basically 'Take the old one out, put the new one in, make sure it's properly formatted' |
| 22:21:12 | Llorean | deadhead: Is that III also supposed to be a 3? |
| 22:21:19 | deadhead | the latest version workin' on my ipod is r12579 |
| 22:21:30 | * | jhMikeS is so tired he can't type "can't sleep" |
| 22:21:42 | euz_ | cpu usage, overclocking, etc..., I see |
| 22:21:53 | deadhead | Llorean, last good date was build 4 march 07 |
| 22:21:55 | jhMikeS | but somehow manage to the last time |
| 22:22:10 | Llorean | euz_: Not overclocking. |
| 22:22:22 | Llorean | euz_: Unboosted is usually severely under the maximum 'safe' speed of the core |
| 22:22:23 | jhMikeS | I prefer underclocking |
| 22:22:26 | webguest26 | hmm, how do i properly format it ? |
| 22:22:29 | euz_ | webguest26; just buy the right one, and replace it |
| 22:22:48 | Llorean | euz_: For example, the H120's core goes up to 140mhz according to specs. Boosted is 120, unboosted is... shoot, I forgot what unboosted is. |
| 22:22:50 | webguest26 | i dropped the player, the hdd was dead, ata100 error |
| 22:22:58 | jhMikeS | 45 |
| 22:23:08 | webguest26 | i bought a new toshiba ga... the 60 gb one |
| 22:23:13 | jhMikeS | Base crytal freqency is 11.2896 |
| 22:23:18 | euz_ | zif or ata? |
| 22:23:25 | euz_ | the new hdd connector |
| 22:23:31 | webguest26 | the ata one, its already in the player |
| 22:23:45 | euz_ | it's not working? |
| 22:23:53 | webguest26 | now i started it up, it says usb bootloader, but is not recognized by the computer |
| 22:24:07 | webguest26 | strangely i cant switch the darned thing off any more |
| 22:24:17 | petur | webguest26: you need to partition and format it first |
| 22:24:23 | petur | use swissknife |
| 22:24:32 | webguest26 | thought so... and for that i need an adapter right ? |
| 22:24:34 | euz_ | yes, boot the iriver firmware, and format it |
| 22:24:35 | amiconn | The device is most probably detected by your pc |
| 22:24:49 | amiconn | You can partition & format in bootloader usb mode |
| 22:25:00 | deadhead | Llorean, if I can provide you more usefull information or if there's already some bugs open about it, just let me know. I want to help you to solve the problem ;) |
| 22:25:01 | euz_ | hold stop to turn it off |
| 22:25:06 | amiconn | It's just that the rockbox bootloader hangs if it doesn't find a readable partition |
| 22:25:07 | | Part juxtap |
| 22:25:08 | jhMikeS | I'd better just break down and test a cvs build and stop freaking :p |
| 22:25:24 | amiconn | To turn it off, use the reset button. Stop won't work |
| 22:25:29 | euz_ | and hold stop and press play to turn it on with the iriver firmware, I think |
| 22:25:41 | Llorean | deadhead: Are you using the most up to date bootloader? |
| 22:25:49 | euz_ | thanks Llorean |
| 22:25:57 | amiconn | I would just turn it off with reset, then plug in usb and turn it on, then partition & format from the pc |
| 22:26:16 | amiconn | Llorean: Even the latest h1x0 bootloader has this problem |
| 22:26:30 | amiconn | I've been through this last week with my new 80GB disk |
| 22:26:35 | webguest26 | ah reset helped, it booted the iriver firmware |
| 22:26:35 | petur | webguest26: get this tool: http://www.compuapps.com/download/Swissknife/swissknife.htm |
| 22:26:36 | Llorean | amiconn: Deadhead is the person with the iPod Mini that's freezing at boot. |
| 22:26:46 | webguest26 | now it says connected and is detected by the pc :) |
| 22:26:50 | webguest26 | great! |
| 22:27:02 | webguest26 | so now i just format it as fat32 ? |
| 22:27:19 | deadhead | Llorean, i guess no, I'm using rockbox since october 2006 and from that time I've never updated bootloader |
| 22:27:20 | * | amiconn chose a probably somewhat esoteric method to create the 80GB fat32 partition |
| 22:27:22 | petur | it's probably formatted by now |
| 22:27:33 | petur | amiconn? |
| 22:27:55 | muesli__ | amiconn how do you do that`? by chanting? |
| 22:27:59 | gold | i'm afraid of putting rockbox onto my player :S |
| 22:28:14 | amiconn | I connected the H1x0 to my host via USB, then defined it as a "raw disk" for a VMware Win98 VM |
| 22:28:19 | gold | anyone has the ihp120 too? |
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| 22:28:26 | gold | and having rockbox on it? |
| 22:28:26 | amiconn | Then booted this Win98 VM and used fdisk+format |
| 22:28:27 | Llorean | deadhead: You're very out of date then. |
| 22:28:47 | euz_ | just do it gold |
| 22:28:50 | euz_ | read first |
| 22:28:53 | petur | amiconn: I used swissknife, it was all over in 10 seconds :) |
| 22:28:55 | muesli__ | amiconn you're geek ;) |
| 22:28:55 | Llorean | deadhead: Follow the newest ipod installation instructions for the bootloader, in the PDF manual. Just redo the Bootloader install bit, you shouldn't have to undo anything else first. |
| 22:28:58 | gold | i've already read |
| 22:29:22 | amiconn | I know that there are numerous methods. Being german, I could also have used h2format |
| 22:29:30 | gold | just another question |
| 22:29:31 | deadhead | Llorean, is it a problem if I haven't anymore my original apple firmware ? |
| 22:29:48 | gold | do i have to clear my hdd, or this will leave the mp3-s alone |
| 22:29:50 | Llorean | deadhead: No, it shouldn't be. |
| 22:30:07 | deadhead | ok, I'll update and let you know |
| 22:30:08 | Llorean | gold: It doesn't require any reformatting. |
| 22:30:13 | euz_ | you know, the philosophy of the day involves doing, doing for the sake of doing, doing because you can do it, doing, because it's absurd, etc... |
| 22:30:14 | gold | ok thanks |
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| 22:31:12 | webguest26 | ok, the device is recognized by my linux box, i got it open in fdisk |
| 22:31:20 | deadhead | Llorean, BTW greetings for the excellent documentation: I've read all to prepare a speech for rockbox project during LinuxDay06 |
| 22:31:26 | euz_ | use cfdisk |
| 22:31:36 | webguest26 | okay |
| 22:31:43 | euz_ | easier, faster |
| 22:32:20 | euz_ | mkfs.msdos -F 32 /dev/sda1 |
| 22:32:43 | webguest26 | ok, i am in cfdisk, created the partition, do I need to set a type ? |
| 22:33:00 | euz_ | nope |
| 22:33:09 | webguest26 | okay |
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| 22:33:36 | bluebrother | mkfs.vfat -F 32 ;-) |
| 22:33:50 | bluebrother | sure? Linux fdisk sets the partition type to 0x83 as default |
| 22:34:05 | euz_ | :), my slackware that's that command |
| 22:34:11 | euz_ | lacks^^ |
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| 22:34:47 | euz_ | it only writes the value to begning of partition, for use auto format |
| 22:35:01 | euz_ | but in the end, no one complains |
| 22:35:21 | euz_ | bbl |
| 22:35:52 | bluebrother | hmm. Is there a way to leave the apple disk mode other than resetting? |
| 22:36:07 | amiconn | I don't know of any |
| 22:36:31 | webguest26 | ok, formatted fine, now copying my backup to the player.... 33gb.... |
| 22:36:37 | amiconn | Emergency disk mode reboots automatically, but Select+Play diskmode doesn't |
| 22:36:41 | webguest26 | so cool if that works it would be 40=>60gb |
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| 22:36:57 | webguest26 | i just soo hope i only broke the hdd |
| 22:37:20 | jhMikeS | preglow: what's your vorbis bitrates...mine are about 224 |
| 22:37:38 | preglow | this one was 130kbps, but i would have noticed the increase you were talking about |
| 22:37:40 | gold | i did it! it works! lol :D:D |
| 22:37:48 | preglow | woot, so does my downsampler |
| 22:37:51 | preglow | time to benchmark |
| 22:38:03 | gold | oh, sorry for interrupting, i'm just another happy user of rockbox on ihp120 |
| 22:38:03 | jhMikeS | ok, settings reset for me...this is just odd |
| 22:38:06 | gold | thanks |
| 22:38:19 | gold | see ya all |
| 22:38:21 | webguest26 | thanks from me too |
| 22:42:23 | * | amiconn just found a (rather esoteric) database bug |
| 22:42:55 | amiconn | If there is no single audio file on the device, you can initialise the database as many times as you want, it will still be uninitialised |
| 22:43:43 | jhMikeS | this is wierd...it's only vorbis. I'm running mp3 with every dsp thing enable and theres 0% boost |
| 22:44:40 | Llorean | amiconn: For some reason my database reports as 'initialized' in the debug menu, but not ready (and empty). Where is the initialized flag stored? |
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| 22:45:42 | pixelma | nls: got a question about the langV2 patch... I've found some things that I'd like to change but my problem is that some of them needs more changes in the code. It's easy to edit the lang file - the rest is over my head I'm afraid... |
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| 22:46:02 | Llorean | amiconn: Did you seem y question a moment ago? |
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| 22:46:32 | amiconn | Llorean: Yes, thanks to the log. But I don't know the answer |
| 22:46:44 | Llorean | Okay |
| 22:46:46 | jhMikeS | preglow: 0 boost on all audio files, the usual for spc |
| 22:47:01 | pixelma | nls: should I post a comment in the tracker only or what do you think? |
| 22:47:07 | jhMikeS | preglow: try replacing the vorbis codec and check it |
| 22:47:13 | Llorean | amiconn: I had removed all the database files, as far as I was aware, and it still showed initialized in the debug. |
| 22:47:20 | Llorean | Even after a reboot |
| 22:47:36 | amiconn | Maybe this just means the database thread is initialised |
| 22:48:09 | amiconn | With 'initialised' in my bug description I mean it's not usable, and a recent build asks to initialise it every time |
| 22:48:36 | euz_ | webguest26: in cfdisk, it is say it was 60 gigs? |
| 22:48:49 | euz_ | did it say^^ |
| 22:48:49 | webguest26 | yes |
| 22:49:06 | euz_ | maybe it's just a software quirk |
| 22:49:20 | webguest26 | what |
| 22:49:33 | euz_ | trying putting more than 33gb of data on it |
| 22:49:39 | webguest26 | >/dev/sdb1 56G 8,8G 48G 16% /media/sdb1 |
| 22:49:53 | webguest26 | well, its a 60gb hdd |
| 22:49:57 | webguest26 | :) |
| 22:50:06 | euz_ | ah |
| 22:50:28 | webguest26 | yep, my good old ihp 140 is a brand new spanking ihp 160 now :) |
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| 22:50:30 | euz_ | I was thinking something else, never mind |
| 22:50:42 | euz_ | how much for the 60 gig hdd? |
| 22:51:49 | euz_ | I'm thinking about writing a CF card to my H120 |
| 22:51:49 | webguest26 | $148.00 USD + 24 € customs |
| 22:52:01 | euz_ | 16gig CF |
| 22:52:08 | euz_ | perhaps |
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| 22:53:01 | webguest26 | yep, i would have appreciated shock-resistancy .... |
| 22:53:16 | SimonSelki | I'm sorry to ask this again, but I've had to abruptly leave before I get a solid response on the question |
| 22:53:30 | euz_ | I had player for some 3 years now, I don't know, I'm in Brazil so that complicates things a bit |
| 22:53:31 | webguest26 | i dropped it from 2m height onto a tiled floor |
| 22:53:38 | SimonSelki | I'm trying to figure out how to record with my iPod nano using rockbox |
| 22:53:48 | SimonSelki | do I use the headphone jack? |
| 22:53:51 | webguest26 | it worked for another 2 months, but it was making verrry weird noises |
| 22:54:09 | euz_ | does ipod nano have input jack or microfone? |
| 22:54:10 | webguest26 | the i dropped it from 30cm height and it finally died :( |
| 22:54:26 | Llorean | SimonSelki: You need an adapter for the dock connector |
| 22:54:28 | euz_ | I drop mine some 3 times, I believe |
| 22:54:44 | webguest26 | now its getting a brand new hard disk |
| 22:54:51 | Llorean | SimonSelki: And nobody has confirmed yet that the line in works on it, I believe. |
| 22:55:01 | webguest26 | its heart-wretching when you hear it smack on the floor..... |
| 22:55:08 | Kasperle | and aren't there also issues with recording on the ipod? |
| 22:55:14 | euz_ | yep, you feel the adrenaline |
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| 22:55:22 | Kasperle | like, you need to reboot after recording, for playback to work again? |
| 22:55:24 | euz_ | it's a very good player |
| 22:55:30 | Llorean | Kasperle: Yes, it's in its early stages. |
| 22:55:40 | webguest26 | it is indeed, wouldnt want to part with it |
| 22:55:47 | webguest26 | missed it a lot the last 2 weeks |
| 22:56:35 | euz_ | the hdd on mine is a busted, I only have 2 gigs or so of space |
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| 22:57:14 | webguest26 | bugger, get a new disk ! |
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| 22:57:56 | SimonSelki | Man, that is not what I was thinking, or at least hoping the recording would be like |
| 22:58:19 | Llorean | SimonSelki: What do you mean? |
| 22:58:35 | webguest86 | Hi. I'm trying to create the manual for the H10 20gb within cygwin. I followed the instructions on the website and installed every mentioned package. |
| 22:58:58 | webguest86 | But I always get an error that the file utf8x.def is missing |
| 22:59:00 | webguest26 | http://search.ebay.com/mk6006gah_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8QQsubmitsearchZSearch |
| 22:59:03 | SimonSelki | What I had tried to do yesterday was connect a mic to a soundboard and then run it to my iPod through the headphone jack |
| 22:59:08 | webguest26 | 122 USD, thats a bargain ! |
| 22:59:11 | euz_ | but I'm in Brazil, it's a bitch to import stuff |
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| 22:59:24 | webguest26 | why ? |
| 22:59:33 | euz_ | 60% taxes |
| 22:59:33 | Llorean | SimonSelki: That doesn't work on the Nano. |
| 22:59:33 | euz_ | :) |
| 22:59:36 | Llorean | SimonSelki: There's no hardware for it. |
| 22:59:40 | webguest26 | bugger |
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| 23:00:14 | euz_ | I'm thinking about waiting for the price on the CF cards to drop |
| 23:00:22 | SimonSelki | ah, that's tragic |
| 23:00:31 | webguest26 | do they make them with ata100 connectors ? |
| 23:00:40 | euz_ | it's a H120, the biggest HDD I can have is 30gigs |
| 23:00:42 | Kasperle | euz_: it already dropped a great deal |
| 23:01:00 | * | petur got lucky, his 80gig disk passed customs without them noticing :) |
| 23:01:01 | euz_ | nope, but I have a soldering iron :) |
| 23:01:08 | Llorean | SimonSelki: Well, you did buy a player with no advertised recording capabilities whatsoever. You really shouldn't be disappointed to find out that it might be able to after all, if you buy/make a proper adapter. |
| 23:01:24 | euz_ | but 16gig CF are quite expensive |
| 23:01:46 | euz_ | what's cheap is SDHC cards, 8gigs for 60 dollars |
| 23:01:46 | webguest26 | but it would be nice shock resistant |
| 23:02:08 | euz_ | too bad you can't wire those |
| 23:02:15 | Kasperle | euz_: oh :D didn't know you were aiming that high ;) |
| 23:02:15 | webguest26 | alas I have to go, need to study... |
| 23:02:16 | SimonSelki | So, recording is out of the question for me then... Also, something else that I had tried to do via the headphone jack was transfer a song from one DAP to my iPod with an audio cable |
| 23:02:27 | SimonSelki | You're right, I had just gotten my hopes up |
| 23:02:34 | pixelma | webguest86: I think you're missing the unicode package... |
| 23:02:50 | pixelma | err... no there's no package |
| 23:02:54 | webguest26 | will be back when the copying is done |
| 23:02:55 | webguest26 | bye |
| 23:03:11 | webguest86 | pixelma: so what can I do now? |
| 23:03:14 | euz_ | I'm was also thinking about writing the H120 to a normal HDD, and buy a new one as personal |
| 23:03:29 | euz_ | H120 could make a nice home player |
| 23:03:38 | Llorean | SimonSelki: It's not out of the question. You just need to get the adapter. |
| 23:03:43 | pixelma | webguest86: you need to install these manually... do you follow the ManualHowto? |
| 23:03:59 | euz_ | does it have a 132gb limitation? |
| 23:04:15 | Llorean | euz_: They don't make drives of the appropriate size larger than 80gb yet. |
| 23:04:59 | SimonSelki | awesome, I'll keep the programers in my prayers, and hope to be helping the fund soon too. You guys saved my ipod |
| 23:05:06 | euz_ | I was thining normal ones |
| 23:05:28 | euz_ | power souce for drive, ground player with power source |
| 23:06:10 | Llorean | SimonSelki: Just as a note, nobody has confirmed the Nano can record yet. It's _thought_ that it should be able to via the line in, but we haven't had anyone test it yet. |
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| 23:06:49 | jhMikeS | preglow, anyone: do me a quick favor with a shiny new vorbis codec and see if it starts boosting too much. Suppose I'll investigate some more after some rest. |
| 23:06:50 | webguest86 | pixelma: thanks for the tip :) |
| 23:07:22 | pixelma | webguest86: found it? |
| 23:08:03 | webguest86 | yes. |
| 23:08:05 | amiconn | euz_: Rockbox can be compiled to support hdds above the 128GB barrier. |
| 23:08:21 | euz_ | cue support, so nice :) |
| 23:08:30 | amiconn | As for the usb bridge, according to the datasheet it should also support lba48 |
| 23:09:00 | pixelma | webguest86: nice :) |
| 23:10:07 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:13:34 | bluebrother | hmm. Is no-usb-on-menu known to be broken? Doesn't seem to work for me :( |
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| 23:14:39 | pixelma | what do you mean? |
| 23:14:57 | Llorean | Holding the menu button to not enter USB mode. |
| 23:15:03 | bluebrother | the FAQ says I can insert the usb cable while holding down menu to prevent entering usb mode |
| 23:15:09 | pixelma | ah... Ipod issue... |
| 23:15:17 | bluebrother | which doesn't work for me. |
| 23:15:36 | Llorean | It still works on my Gigabeat, so it's possible that it's an issue with the USB detection stuff on the iPod maybe? |
| 23:15:47 | Llorean | I haven't tried it on my Nano in a while, not since the charger detection had just been added. |
| 23:15:53 | w1ll14m | I have the same problem ;) |
| 23:15:55 | euz_ | how does the cue support work? |
| 23:15:58 | w1ll14m | 5g 60gb |
| 23:16:07 | euz_ | you just open cue then open track? |
| 23:16:22 | euz_ | does cue+flac work? |
| 23:16:32 | bluebrother | Llorean: thought about that too, so I asked ;-) |
| 23:16:39 | preglow | jhMikeS: highest bitrate file i can find is 180kbps and boosts around 22% |
| 23:16:46 | Llorean | bluebrother: I do remember hearing a few people having problems with it, so I think it can be considered a problem. |
| 23:17:04 | bluebrother | ok, good to know. |
| 23:17:46 | Llorean | I seem to recall some people reporting that when holding menu down and plugging in, it would wait a few seconds and then enter USB mode, as if it only worked so long as you were still holding Menu down |
| 23:18:47 | euz_ | need to enable it first... |
| 23:20:21 | euz_ | does anyone here ever had a etymotic or shure earphone? |
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| 23:24:59 | euz_ | I don't have any originals CDs I would dignify myself to listen |
| 23:25:39 | euz_ | I'm trying lossless audio with H120 and etymotic |
| 23:26:35 | euz_ | it's pretty good, but not 8 times the price of a sony earphone |
| 23:27:30 | Jonnex2 | how can i go about playing super mario on my ipod? |
| 23:27:40 | Jonnex2 | just saw a video of it, looks super sweet! |
| 23:27:50 | euz_ | do you have the rom? |
| 23:27:58 | Jonnex2 | got licked to rockbox.org, once id installed that what would i then need to do? |
| 23:28:05 | Jonnex2 | oops, linked* |
| 23:28:34 | Llorean | Jonnex2: Simply click on a gameboy rom to play it. |
| 23:29:16 | Jonnex2 | really? what once rockbox is installed on the ipod? |
| 23:29:27 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 23:29:34 | Jonnex2 | stick the rom on the ipod too and away i go? |
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| 23:29:45 | Llorean | That's what I said, yes. |
| 23:29:49 | Jonnex2 | so rockbox has a gameboy emulator built in |
| 23:29:52 | Jonnex2 | wow |
| 23:29:57 | desowin | rockboy |
| 23:30:01 | Jonnex2 | super cool. how quick to they play? |
| 23:30:07 | euz_ | gameboy color? |
| 23:30:11 | euz_ | or advance? |
| 23:30:12 | Jonnex2 | yeah |
| 23:30:21 | Jonnex2 | only color. unless advance games work? |
| 23:30:35 | Llorean | Color and classic. No advance. |
| 23:30:41 | preglow | doesn't look like the resampler gained me too much :/ |
| 23:30:43 | euz_ | :) |
| 23:30:52 | Jonnex2 | cool. are there any guides to getting that set up on mi ipod? |
| 23:30:54 | euz_ | do you know where to get roms Jonnex2? |
| 23:30:55 | juxtap | mario? for real? man i never knew... |
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| 23:31:18 | Jonnex2 | should be some torrents with roms kicking about |
| 23:31:20 | Llorean | Jonnex2: There's a full PDF manual. |
| 23:31:26 | Jonnex2 | unless you have an easier way.? |
| 23:31:31 | Llorean | And please don't talk about pirating ROMs in here. |
| 23:31:32 | Jonnex2 | sweet |
| 23:31:35 | Llorean | We actually respect copyright around here. |
| 23:31:37 | Jonnex2 | sorry |
| 23:31:41 | Jonnex2 | hey me oto |
| 23:31:42 | euz_ | heh |
| 23:31:45 | desowin | dump it from your cartridge ;-) |
| 23:31:49 | Jonnex2 | i buy all games i play |
| 23:31:53 | euz_ | I respect that you respect it |
| 23:31:56 | Jonnex2 | stuff like this is just for fun! |
| 23:32:22 | Jonnex2 | one more thing, when you install rockbox, do you choose whether to boot to rockbox or the default ipod firmware on bootup? |
| 23:32:38 | euz_ | not really |
| 23:32:42 | Llorean | Rockbox boots by default, but you can turn on the Hold switch to boot the original firmware. |
| 23:32:46 | K3nto | hey guys im having a prob with rockbox. i have installed the proper theme and font, but the WPS doesnt have any text on it. |
| 23:33:08 | Jonnex2 | what do you mean turn on the hold switch? |
| 23:33:13 | Llorean | The hold switch. |
| 23:33:20 | Jonnex2 | put it on hold you mean? |
| 23:33:25 | K3nto | the only hold switch on the player |
| 23:33:26 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 23:33:48 | euz_ | put it on hold, and press "on" |
| 23:33:55 | Jonnex2 | but if you put it on hold before your pressed a button, it wouldnt do anything? |
| 23:34:00 | Jonnex2 | as its on hold |
| 23:34:04 | Llorean | No, press Menu to turn it on, then immediately flip the switch. |
| 23:34:09 | bluebrother | so, to update the AppleOS on my ipod, can I simply dd the firmware file to the first partition? |
| 23:34:20 | Llorean | euz_: Please, don't give directions if you don't know how it works. You can't turn on the iPod while hold is already on. |
| 23:34:51 | Jonnex2 | cool cheers llorean |
| 23:34:52 | Llorean | bluebrother: It'd overwrite the Rockbox bootloader, but I believe it's possible. |
| 23:34:55 | euz_ | sorry, I don't have a ipod |
| 23:34:57 | K3nto | lol there is no "on" button |
| 23:34:58 | Jonnex2 | so there's no way to set it up so you get the choice every time it turns on |
| 23:35:02 | K3nto | oh ok |
| 23:35:16 | Llorean | Jonnex2: You can if you use an alternate bootloader, the iPodLinux Loader 2. |
| 23:35:25 | Llorean | Jonnex2: You'd have to follow their instructions for installing it. |
| 23:35:32 | bluebrother | the funny thing is that the first partition is something about 40MiB while the firmware file is more like 4 ... |
| 23:35:37 | bluebrother | which puzzles me a bit. |
| 23:35:51 | Llorean | bluebrother: The first partition also is where the iPod hibernates its RAM to when it sleeps. |
| 23:35:52 | Jonnex2 | one min brb |
| 23:36:14 | K3nto | hey does anybody know the answer to my problem? |
| 23:36:19 | euz_ | the xbox has 6 partitions |
| 23:36:32 | euz_ | they think it's cute when it's proprietary |
| 23:36:34 | Llorean | K3nto: What _does_ your WPS show then, if there's no text at all. |
| 23:36:44 | K3nto | nothing |
| 23:36:57 | bluebrother | ah, that explains it. |
| 23:37:05 | K3nto | just the volume knob, and the progress bar |
| 23:37:10 | Llorean | K3nto: No backdrop image? |
| 23:37:18 | K3nto | yea the image is there |
| 23:37:21 | K3nto | but no text |
| 23:37:26 | Llorean | Then that's not "nothing" |
| 23:37:53 | Llorean | Have you tried loading the WPS manually instead of just loading the whole theme? |
| 23:38:03 | K3nto | ok, well nothing in terms of text. i have a backdrop and a WMP11-ish theme (i plan on changing) |
| 23:38:13 | K3nto | ok how do i do that |
| 23:38:44 | euz_ | which of the player supported by rockbox has highest sound to noise ratio? |
| 23:38:44 | Llorean | There's a "Browse WPS files" option in the menus, I can't remember exactly where though. |
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| 23:40:19 | euz_ | settings > general settings > display |
| 23:40:25 | K3nto | ok |
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| 23:40:56 | euz_ | does the ipod play NES? |
| 23:41:43 | K3nto | yep no text still |
| 23:42:10 | euz_ | reboot it |
| 23:42:28 | Llorean | euz_: Rebooting it isn't likely to fix his problem. |
| 23:42:50 | Llorean | K3nto: If you open up the .wps file in a text editor on your PC, does it have a lot of stuff in it? |
| 23:42:53 | euz_ | perhaps, but it's better to reboot before trying again |
| 23:43:19 | Llorean | euz_: Why is it better to reboot? |
| 23:43:35 | K3nto | Llorean: stuff? |
| 23:43:55 | Llorean | K3nto: Well, if it's blank that would explain exactly why you're getting no text. |
| 23:44:04 | Llorean | K3nto: If it's not blank, then I'd ask further questions. |
| 23:44:09 | webguest26 | hi ! just wanted to say my ihp140 is now a new ihp160, all works fine, thanks all devs and the friendly people in this channel who help out the newbies :) |
| 23:44:35 | euz_ | now that's a interesting question Llorean, but experence proved otherwise |
| 23:44:36 | K3nto | yeah theres a bunch of stuff. im putting it on pastebin |
| 23:44:44 | K3nto | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9528/ |
| 23:44:49 | webguest26 | bye then |
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| 23:45:21 | Jonnex2 | sorry, had to speak to someone |
| 23:45:24 | Llorean | K3nto: So, every other lne is blank? |
| 23:45:27 | Llorean | line |
| 23:45:46 | Llorean | euz_: Experience with Rockbox specifically? |
| 23:45:58 | euz_ | no |
| 23:45:59 | Jonnex2 | so llorean, when you say id have to use an alternate bootloader, like ipodlinux, by that do you mean i wouldnt be installing rockbox at all, or is a bootloader something different to the new firmware its self? |
| 23:46:11 | Llorean | euz_: So, then, how is that experience in any way valid for this situation, exactly? |
| 23:46:13 | K3nto | Llorean: no, thats just pastebin |
| 23:46:22 | pixelma | Llorean: it counts from the %wd line on... |
| 23:46:23 | Llorean | K3nto: Pastebin doesn't automatically add extra lines. |
| 23:46:33 | K3nto | ok hold on |
| 23:46:37 | Llorean | pixelma: What? |
| 23:46:52 | Llorean | pixelma: That statement kinda confused me. |
| 23:47:07 | Llorean | Jonnex2: The bootloader is a small program that loads the new firmware. |
| 23:47:17 | pixelma | in this wps-file there is the %wd almost at the beginning |
| 23:47:22 | euz_ | specific experience would render most experience useless, wouldn't you say? |
| 23:47:34 | cf-danky | -myfills |
| 23:47:38 | cf-danky | sry wrong channel |
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| 23:48:00 | K3nto | Llorean: it must be. in the box where you paste it there are no spaces (as in the actual document) but the pasted version has spaces |
| 23:48:01 | Llorean | pixelma: Yes but I'm not catching the significance of the early %wd. I'm not that familiar with WPSes. |
| 23:48:23 | Jonnex | Llorean: so there's a rockbox bootloader, and also a ipod linux bootloader? |
| 23:48:27 | Llorean | K3nto: The box where I can edit/correct it shows the spaces. |
| 23:48:34 | pixelma | and I think all the lines with the %xd (for preloading the images) count as lines in the wps |
| 23:48:48 | Llorean | K3nto: And pastebin is very specific about line numbering so that a user can compare line numbers in the pastebin that someone else has read to an original file. |
| 23:49:06 | Llorean | K3nto: Which WPS is this, is it from the wiki? |
| 23:49:09 | Llorean | Jonnex: Yes. |
| 23:49:29 | pixelma | (from the %wd to disable the statusbar on) |
| 23:49:29 | K3nto | i grabbed it from the rockbox site, yeah |
| 23:49:36 | pixelma | really? |
| 23:49:38 | euz_ | rockbox is based on linux, and most bootloader extend support to odd balls and under dogs |
| 23:49:40 | Jonnex | and you can use the ipod linux bootloader to load rockbox on your ipod, and then you get the choice of whether to boot to apple firmware or rockbox? |
| 23:49:44 | Llorean | K3nto: "Which WPS is this?" still needs to be answered. |
| 23:49:52 | Llorean | euz_: Rockbox is NOT based on Linux |
| 23:50:23 | euz_ | doesn't it use ffmpeg and such? |
| 23:50:27 | Llorean | Jonnex: The bootloader isn't how you load Rockbox on your iPod. It's what loads it from the disk each time you boot. Boot, loader. :) But yeah, the Ipodlinux one can load Rockbox. |
| 23:50:27 | bluebrother | nope |
| 23:50:28 | K3nto | jBlackGlass-5g-20060929 |
| 23:50:48 | Llorean | euz_: Some of the codecs have come from ffmpeg codecs in the past, but that's somewhat unrelated to being 'based on linux' |
| 23:50:49 | bluebrother | Rockbox borrows a couple of code from IPL for the hardware stuff. |
| 23:51:01 | Jonnex | ahhh i think i get it! bit slow on the up-take here |
| 23:51:04 | Llorean | euz_: If that were the case, ffmpeg implementations in windows are 'based on Linux' and so therefor windows is 'based on Linux' |
| 23:51:05 | bluebrother | ffmpeg != linux |
| 23:51:11 | Jonnex | ho ho. right, so i think i'll get that ipodlinux bootloader |
| 23:51:24 | Jonnex | oh, is it easy to uninstall all this stuff, should i want to? |
| 23:51:48 | Llorean | Jonnex: It's very easy to install Rockbox on an iPod, though I wouldn't recommend doing it if your only interest is for the gameboy games. |
| 23:51:51 | pixelma | K3nto: do you use a custom build (not SVN)? |
| 23:52:01 | euz_ | but it's much easier to port ffmpeg to something linux like then windows like |
| 23:52:15 | Llorean | Jonnex: As for the iPodLinux loader, it _should_ be easy to install since they could use the same method we do, but I don't know for certain. |
| 23:52:35 | K3nto | pixelma: SVN is...? and also, custom build of what |
| 23:52:37 | euz_ | I acknowledge my mistake |
| 23:52:37 | bluebrother | weren't there problems with the IPL loader since the COP stuff came in? |
| 23:52:50 | bluebrother | K3nto: subversion. It's the version control system we use |
| 23:52:54 | Llorean | bluebrother: The most recent versions of the IPL loader _should_ support COP fine. |
| 23:53:02 | Llorean | bluebrother: Though they might not be available. |
| 23:53:05 | bluebrother | Llorean: :) |
| 23:53:13 | pixelma | K3nto: I mean an official build from rockbox.org or something else |
| 23:53:15 | Llorean | K3nto: Pixelma means "Did you download it from the 'current build' page, or from somewhere else?" |
| 23:53:16 | Jonnex | ok. why would you not recommend doing it only for gameboy games? is it likely i'll break my ipod or something? |
| 23:53:26 | Llorean | Jonnex: No, it really can't break your iPod. |
| 23:53:28 | K3nto | pixelma: everything i used for rockbox i got from the rockbox site |
| 23:53:31 | bluebrother | K3nto: there are official builds, and some people distribute customized builds |
| 23:53:54 | bluebrother | "from the rockbox site" means also not from the "unsupported builds" forums? |
| 23:54:02 | K3nto | yes |
| 23:54:05 | pixelma | K3nto: this wps doesn't work with the official version |
| 23:54:06 | Llorean | Jonnex: But it's not intended as a game playing software. It has a lot more to it, and if you just want to play gameboy games, the best solution is a $5 gameboy from a second hand store, it'll last much longer on batteries, and both look and sound and play better. |
| 23:54:09 | K3nto | everything was stable |
| 23:54:13 | bluebrother | BlackGlass needs some patches, i.e. an unsupported build to work correctly |
| 23:54:23 | K3nto | ah ic |
| 23:54:28 | preglow | well, that was depressing |
| 23:54:32 | K3nto | i didnt really like it anyway. ill grab another |
| 23:54:34 | Jonnex | hehe sure, but it'd be fun to see mario hopping around on my ipod |
| 23:54:36 | bluebrother | so you either need to use a different wps or an unsupported build |
| 23:54:37 | preglow | looks like asm downsampling doesn't have anything to say on ipods |
| 23:54:48 | Llorean | Jonnex: Well, there's no compelling reason not to try it, really. |
| 23:55:56 | Jonnex | ay |
| 23:56:11 | Jonnex | and if i can uninstall it, i'll be able to go back to simple ipod life after |
| 23:56:18 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 23:56:39 | Jonnex | coolio |
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