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#rockbox log for 2007-03-09

00:00:03groovingandiwhere I went to school? Germany
00:00:29dxmwhat are your thoughts to the german school system vs american
00:00:43dxmthats off topic isnt it
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00:00:49nlssure is :-)
00:01:18groovingandiyes, that's really getting OT now
00:02:17dxmwell i'll save this chat for later review-adios
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00:09:03 Quit ender` (" Engineers think that equations approximate the real world. Scientists think that the real world approximates equations. Mat")
00:09:38_kei just updated to the current rockbox version of ipod video. when i want to play something, it switches to the wps and then freezes with: data abort at 00030784
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00:15:31obo_ke: sounds like you need to update your bootloader
00:15:59_keobo, why that? 20070304 works great
00:17:09obothe COP patch was added on the 4th
00:17:18safetydan_ke, dual core support was added to Rockbox core recently. It requires an upgraded bootloader for some iPods
00:18:13_kesafetydan, ok. so a bootloader update will fix that?
00:19:04safetydan_ke, it should
00:19:16_kesafetydan, dual core? for what?
00:19:53safetydan_ke, iPods have two CPUs
00:19:57safetydanwell... two cores anyway
00:20:28_keah really?
00:20:31_kesounds cool
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00:21:04_kesafetydan, with update you mean a new installation of the bootloader?
00:21:27Hornet_I have an idea for a cool Rockbox feature. Why is the Media USB port disabled on the H3x0?
00:21:44safetydan_ke, yes, though for iPods it's really easy now. Just download the bootloader installer and double click it.
00:21:55safetydanHornet_, because we don't have full USB support yet.
00:21:57_kesafetydan, im on linux ;)
00:22:09safetydan_ke, well, it's the same process :)
00:23:05Hornet_safetydan: Okay, how come the Data port works fine then? How hard can it be to use the same code for the other port?
00:23:25_kesafetydan, it simply works ;) great!!
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00:24:17_kesafetydan, what improvement is this now? i mean, why do you need dual core?
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00:26:50nlsHornet_: the Data port is handeled completely in hardware by a dedicated USB−−ATA bridge, the Media or Host port has to be handeled in software with a complete USB stack and drivers, none of which rockbox has at the moment
00:27:43Hornet_nls: Aaah. Thanks for clearing that up.
00:27:44safetydan_ke, well there's two cores there to use, so why not use them? I believe it may make things a bit faster as well.
00:28:16_kesafetydan, ok thanks again
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00:36:33preglowman, curl is nice
00:37:03*preglow just learned about [] ranges
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00:41:46Overandyeah, curl is great
00:41:57Overandbetween that and wget, the world is rocking
00:42:03OverandWhat are "[]" ranges used for in curl?
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00:43:38BackgroundI have a question
00:43:44BackgroundReguarding the .wps files
00:44:04BackgroundCan anyone give me a hand?
00:45:04JdGordoni would but mine is firmly attached
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00:45:06JdGordonjust ask!
00:45:28BackgroundNever mind
00:45:31BackgroundI now need thlep
00:45:41Backgroundknowing why when i go to the file browser
00:45:45Backgroundit always only gives 4 options
00:45:52BackgroundCalender, Notes...etc and Root
00:46:04BackgroundAnd root only points me to a song
00:46:22Backgroundi need to navigate to a picture so i can set it as my backdrop
00:46:30nlsBackground: those (Notes etc...) are folders
00:46:48BackgroundI get that
00:46:54Backgroundbut i need to navigate to the root of my ipod
00:47:06JdGordonyou are in the root of the filesystem
00:47:06Backgroundand stuff
00:47:13JdGordonhold menu ress down untill it says all
00:47:20*JdGordon wants to change that default
00:47:21jhMikeSare pp core switches just completely preemptive with no way to lock a core switch?
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00:47:30nls.rockbox is not the root.
00:47:40BackgroundI understand that
00:47:45Backgroundbut .rockbox is in my root
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00:48:23nlsyes, do what JdGordon said, hold menu til the quick screen shows, then press up til it says "all"
00:48:54BackgroundI held menu
00:49:04BackgroundIt brings me to the main screen
00:49:19nlsJdGordon: the fiel view setting default is one of the defaults that were actually dicussed and agreed upon, not just arbitarily set :-)
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00:49:43nlsBackground: you did'nt hold it for long enough then
00:49:47JdGordonbut now with the rb menu it should be changed to all instead of supported
00:49:48BackgroundAhhh i figured it out
00:50:14nlsJdGordon: why is it different with the menu?
00:50:26JdGordonbecause.. um... just because :p
00:51:02nlsI guess most people just want to browse their music and not see all the other stuff :-)
00:51:02BackgroundUggg, now when i go to "Files" it shows nothing
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00:51:26nlsBackground: did you change it to "all" or to "playlists"?
00:51:28BackgroundI have it set to "all"
00:52:04BackgroundWell there we go
00:52:08bluebrotherI still prefer the file view set to supported or music instead of all
00:52:09BackgroundMy rockbox is being buggy today
00:52:28JdGordonpebcak probably
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00:52:54BackgroundHad to restart it just froze
00:53:31BackgroundNow how to i navigate to the "backdrops"
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00:56:22Backgroundnever mind
00:57:27dan_ajhMikeS: Yes?
00:57:54bluebrotherJdGordon: you mean PEBKAC instead of pebcak probably? ;-)
00:58:38jhMikeSdan_a: are the core switches on pp completely preemptive? and does each core have it's own irq level (I've asked awhile but you didn't seem certain at the time).
00:59:13BackgroundIs there a font that matches the Apple font
00:59:21BackgroundOr at least Times New Roman or such?
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01:00:06bluebrotherBackground: have you read the manual?
01:00:20jhMikeSdan_a: I suppose I'd like to know if there's anything specific that determines when a core switch occurs.
01:00:24bluebrotherif not please do so, it answers a lot of questions.
01:00:24dan_a(reads back a few lines) Erm... that's probably more OS theory than I know! Each core is running a completely separate scheduler, with the threads only being started on one core or another. Each core will have its own IRQ level, yes (in as much as ARM has IRQ levels)
01:00:27BackgroundI know i must convert to .fnt
01:00:49bluebrotheryou can have a look at rashers site −−">
01:00:58dan_aWhat do you mean by a core switch?
01:01:01bluebrotherhe has a nice collection of fonts converted to rockbox format
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01:01:55jhMikeSdan_a: well, that means switch_to_irq_level should be per core, it's shared now. I'm also doing some mutex stuff to stop priority inversion in the ata driver.
01:03:04bluebrothertime to leave ...
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01:03:18dan_ajhMikeS: Ah... I'll have a look over the code for switch_to_irq_level - one moment
01:03:52jhMikeSdan_a: It's been bugging me that the variable is shared with dual cores.
01:05:02jhMikeSAlso I'm wondering about anything (instructions, registers) that blocks another core from executing a protected section.
01:05:40BackgroundJust wonderful
01:05:47BackgroundI loaded a backdrop and made the font white
01:05:54Backgroundand Now rockbox loaded without the backdrop
01:05:58Backgroundand i can't see
01:06:27markunyes nice, isn't it :)
01:06:50nlsBackground: is your backdrop in the .rockbox/bacdrops folder?
01:06:51dan_ajhMikeS: What IRQ levels do we have in ARM? Just disabled/FIQ only/all enabled?
01:06:57markunYou can reset your settings with some key combination
01:06:57BackgroundIt's on the Root
01:06:59preglowdan_a: that's all arm has natively, yes
01:07:07preglowdan_a: the pp probably has more stuff
01:07:10Backgroundbecause i couldn't navigate to backdrops folder with rockbox
01:07:11nlsBackground: put it there and rockbox will load it on boot
01:07:18markunBackground: then you can just reboot I think
01:07:23preglowdan_a: but then again, i might just as well be software controlled too
01:07:36preglowdan_a: right now our handler just does them in a predefined order
01:07:46nlsBackground: but you'll have to navigate to it ofcourse
01:08:14Backgroundcan i change the colors
01:08:16Backgroundin the config
01:08:38nlsyes, they are in regular hex
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01:10:14jhMikeSdan_a: Wish I knew for sure, I'm just getting up to speed on it. :)
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01:11:46dan_ajhMikeS: (for background, I'm a network guy whos only kernel knowledge has been picked up from reading LWN) AFAIK, the mutexes for Portalplayer should test and set atomically, so there is no chance of both cores holding the same mutex. ARMv4 doesn't have any more advanced capabilities than that
01:11:48BackgroundWoo hooo
01:11:53Backgroundi fixed the background
01:11:55Backgroundi'm a beast
01:12:07dan_apreglow: Thanks :D
01:17:01dan_ajhMikeS: Each thread will only be running on one core, so the current code will set both cores to the same IRQ level - if that is not what you want then the easyest thing to do would be to have switch_to_irq_level be an array with NUM_CORES elements, and refer to switch_to_irq_level[CURRENT_CORE]
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01:19:57jhMikeSdan_a: I can just move it to the core structure. It should set the irq level exactly like normal use of set_irq_level.
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01:23:22klaxianhello...i had to reformat my ipod hard drive and now the ipodpatcher won't pick it up
01:23:22klaxianwhat am i missing?
01:23:24klaxiani can mount it on my computer
01:24:09dan_aklaxian: What OS are you on? Do you know the device name for your iPod?
01:24:16klaxiani'm running linux
01:24:23klaxianit's /dev/sda
01:24:29klaxianthe partition is /dev/sda1
01:24:43klaxiani formatted it fat32
01:25:19dan_aAnd does "ipodpatcher −−scan" show it or not?
01:25:29klaxianlet me check
01:25:42klaxianthe manual does not say to do ipodpatcher −−scan ;)
01:25:56klaxian[ERR] No ipods found.
01:26:13Hornet_I see that docs/API is outdated. What has replaced it?
01:26:14klaxianit's not mounted...should it be?
01:26:23jhMikeSso init_threads is called once for each core?
01:26:25dan_aAh, wait a minute - I always have to run ipodpatcher as root for it to work
01:26:31klaxiani am running it as root
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01:26:48klaxian./ipodpatcher −−scan runs, but doesn't find the ipod
01:26:52dan_ajhMikeS: Yes - that's why there are two "main" threads on the PP
01:27:18klaxiancan i just force it to use /dev/sda somehow
01:27:21dan_aHornet_: Which functions are you looking for?
01:27:33klaxianthe problem might be that there's no apple firmware on the ipod anymore
01:27:37klaxianit doesn't even boot
01:27:43klaxianit's completely empty because i had to reformat
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01:28:01dan_aklaxian: That might be the problem. Do you have one or two partitions?
01:28:07Hornet_dan_a: I'm not looking for a specific function so much as trying to figure out how Rockbox works. For instance, I'd like to know how reading config files and parsing those values into variables is done.
01:28:13klaxiandan_a: i just made one
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01:28:21klaxiandan_a: i can make another if that will help
01:29:44dan_aklaxian: My advice would be to restore your ipod first (itunes should run under Wine) or to try using "dd" to put the correct MBR on
01:29:52nlsHornet_: look in apps/settings.c :-)
01:29:57Hornet_nls: Thanks
01:30:29dan_aklaxian: You should have a firmware partition and a FAT32 data partition
01:30:47klaxiandan_a: i don't have the ipod software :-P i'm trying to set this up for someone else...i use an X5
01:31:24klaxiani can make another partition for the firmware...what format should the firmware partition be? or is there some other way to restore the device?
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01:33:26klaxiani'm trying to evangelize rockbox ;)
01:34:24dan_aklaxian: This is my disk structure, if it's any help: You might have to find an original iPod firmware to put on there before ipodpatcher will work (ipodpatcher tries its best not to overwrite your computer's harddrive)
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01:34:36klaxianthanks dan
01:35:34dan_aklaxian: Have a look at - there are a collection of MBRs there
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01:35:56klaxiandan_a: thanks!
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01:40:38ChongoWow, I got failed rockbox install on my 5G... can anyone help?
01:40:59nlsis it a macpod?
01:41:16BackgroundOftentimes it is easier to use the ipodlinux loader2 if you don't want it as your main os
01:41:21dan_aChongo: Is it an 80Gb?
01:41:29Backgroundafter you use that it's simply drag and drop
01:41:50ChongoI'm on OSX... did the instructions... immedietly got the hit the Menu + SELECT for restart into rockbox dialogue... then when it came back it just hangs on the apple logo
01:42:16Chongowon't mount or anything... completly screwed
01:42:22BackgroundI didn't think rockbox worked on HFS fomatted macpods
01:42:22nlsChongo: is it a macpod, ie formatted with hfs+ ?
01:42:44preglowjhMikeS: did you get anywhere with the both-passes-at-the-same-time resampler routines?
01:42:46BackgroundI don't think rockbox supports it
01:42:46nlsThen do as the instructions tell you and convert it
01:42:57BackgroundWhat NLS said
01:43:11BackgroundBtw i have a question as well
01:43:16Chongook... well, now that this happened though, my comp won't even access the pod.
01:43:26BackgroundI use the Loader2 for ipodlinux, rockbox, and Apple OS boots
01:43:35BackgroundAnd currently Apple OS is the main one
01:43:44ChongoI can't even uninstall the loader
01:44:05ChongoiTunes won't mount the pod
01:44:31BackgroundThere are other tools to format with
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01:45:49Backgroundback to my question
01:45:50ChongoNLS - Thanks a ton!
01:45:58BackgroundApple OS is my main
01:46:06BackgroundAnd i use ipodloader2 to switch
01:46:16BackgroundIs it possible to configure Rockbox to be my main
01:46:25BackgroundOr is this the wrong place to ask
01:46:57nlsBackground: yes, go to ipodlinux and ask them, it's their software
01:47:06nlsbut I think it's possible
01:47:26Chongook so if I'm on a mac, I need to first convert the Pod to the PC file format and then install rockbox?
01:47:35BackgroundYeah, i'm basically looking for the functionality that lets me shut down rockbox and have it boot back into that again without going throught the loader2 menu
01:47:41Backgroundbut w/e
01:48:04klaxiandan_a: i'm doing better but i have a new problem
01:48:10klaxiandan_a: [ERR] Firmware partition doesn't contain Apple copyright, aborting.
01:48:19klaxiandan_a: any ideas?
01:49:37nlsChongo: do what it says here, linked from installation chapter in the manual ;-)
01:49:46Chongohmmm, if I need to convert... how come there is a MAC installer on the manual page for rockbox?
01:50:22nlsbecause you can install from a mac just not on an ipod formatted in hfs+
01:50:27dan_aklaxian: I don't. If your coding skills are up to it, you should be able to take the check out of ipodpatcher. I don't think that there is a "force" mode at the moment, but you could try using "-wf" and see if that ignores the check
01:50:40klaxiandan_a: ok
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01:51:12klaxiandan_a: nope, that doesn't force it
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01:51:23klaxiandan_a: that's too bad because i could care less about the apple firmware :-P
01:51:40ChongoAh I see. There is no mention of this... I usually skip right to INSTALL sections :)... anyways, let me ask one more question... I know you guys will say rockbox is worth it, but which is better, iPodLinux or Rockbox?
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01:52:25dan_aklaxian: Maybe not - but linuxstb (who wrote ipodpatcher) cares about your hard drive!
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01:53:14nlsChongo: rockbox of course!
01:53:29nlsnot that I ever used ipl, I don't even have an ipod
01:53:36klaxiandan_a: i'm sure he does :)
01:54:02ChongoSo as far as themes, games, general music quality stuff... rockbox is the way to go eh?
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01:54:11BackgroundBut Ipodlinux is just cool
01:54:13dan_aklaxian: I'll see if I can compile you a modified version
01:54:16Backgroundto know that you ahve that installed
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01:54:38ChongoOk, so what advantage does Rockbox have over Linux? or is it just another option
01:55:10ChongoI had iPodlinux installed awhile back... there was almost nothing to do on it... Sound was choppy, etc...
01:55:12nlsChongo: why don't you try iy out or read the WhyRockbox page in the wiki
01:55:15klaxiandan_a: thanks! i'm exploring running itunes via wine :)
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01:55:47ChongoI know I know... but talking to humans (I hope?) is what I prefer when it comes to picking one thing or the other
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02:14:19jhMikeSpreglow: yes. Haven't decided if I want a separate function for stereo/mono or just use the same and have it check the channel count. The second saves some bytes but makes the code a bit less readable.
02:14:34jhMikeSsame goes for the gain stage
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02:14:59preglowso the asm i write now will be obsolete soon? :P
02:15:41jhMikeSno, I can just give the function two names in the asm if one cpu uses separate ones
02:15:54XavierGrhaha how idiot can someone be?
02:15:58preglowi don't yet know if i have enough regs to do both in one pass anyway
02:15:59preglowXavierGr: very
02:16:09preglowi somehow doubt it without extensive stacking
02:16:09XavierGrI insterted the mic into the headphone jack
02:16:28XavierGrand the whole first part of the live wasn't recorded :(
02:16:30jhMikeSthe parameters won't change in any case so any way that works is fine
02:17:11XavierGrI didn't expect to do such a silly mistake....
02:17:59klaxiancan anyone help me restore my ipod on linux so that i can put rockbox on it?
02:18:02preglowjhMikeS: for some reason i just can't bloody concentrate on coding now, so it's a very slow process anyway :/
02:19:24jhMikeSTake your time. Even the C routine changes helped iPod play more SPCs with echo enable according to hcs
02:20:44jhMikeSWhen I get the inclination and my backlog taken care of I might give some of that a go
02:22:09jhMikeSThere's no and_l, or_l, or eor_l for ARM is there? Think I'll just use atomic mutex routines allways. I see no reason not to.
02:23:29preglowall memory accesses has to go through dedicated load and store instructions
02:24:16preglowportalplayer (at least some revs) have masked gpio regs, though, so you can do atomic stuff
02:24:27preglowbut it's not part of the arm spec
02:24:47preglowjhMikeS: oh well, arm has its pros and cons, like most risc archs it's load/store based
02:24:57preglowjhMikeS: but it does a lot of other stuff nicely
02:25:17preglowthe parallel shifting is cool, as is the conditional instrs
02:25:17jhMikeSI like how on cf I can do pretty much anything with a mem operand
02:25:29jhMikeSyes, that's nice
02:27:48jhMikeSIt's a bugger to guarantee spin waiters are always released first. Maybe it's not imporant if it misses a few here and there. :\
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02:32:25rushfanNow that ipod Linux can run on the 80gb... any odds of there could being used to help write rockbox support for the 80gb harddrive?
02:33:46preglowrushfan: no
02:33:54preglowrushfan: what needs to be done is clear, so the code won't help us conceptually
02:34:10preglowrushfan: it's just that it's more work to fix the rockbox code than the linux code, since the rockbox code in general is more optimised
02:34:30preglowrushfan: in this case, it's far more optimised for low memory use which makes a solution more hard
02:34:33preglowit's being worked on, though
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02:46:50*roolku just fixed a broken iAudio x5 using the hard disk and battery from a broken gigabeat :)
02:47:33roolkunow I just need to get a sodding sub pack - the player is nearly without it
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02:49:54jhMikeSroolku: there's hope for replacing x5 battery yet :) What's the MaH on that?
02:51:37roolkujhMikeS: not sure, it doesn't say on the battery
02:52:33roolkubut I am pleased how nicely it fits - could even be 2mm wider
02:54:11preglowroolku: no rtc daily builds yet?
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02:55:35jhMikeSodd...the config says 830mAh, but the capacity range is 1500-2500 ?? :\
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02:55:54roolkuwell, badger need to adjust the distributed build script - the modified configure is already in svn
02:56:05K3ntoto install atheme i just put the folder and the .wps file on the root of my ipod?
02:56:39roolku(that was for preglow regarding RTC builds)
02:57:05roolkujhMikeS: I seem to remember 1100mAh for Gigabeat batteries
02:58:33roolkuK3nto: it depends a bit on the theme (how it has been packed)
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02:59:06roolku.wps files go into /.rockbox/wps
02:59:17K3ntoi have a .wps file with a corresponding folder though
02:59:44roolkuyes, both go into /.rockbox/wps
02:59:53K3ntook ty
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03:04:03K3ntook now that i have the theme transferred over, can i get a little help with putting songs on it with amarok?
03:05:09K3ntoi guess i just need to mount it
03:05:44roolkusorry, I have no idea what amarok is :)
03:06:03*roolku goes to bed now *yawn*
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03:06:10K3ntoit tells me i need to set a mounting command and an unmounting command
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03:07:13jhMikeSrrr...I need an original battery so I can finish the power and charging work on the x5 I started months ago :\
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03:20:56ChopperAnyone here right now?
03:21:04lostlogicnew menus are nice (say I finally having updated since they went in)
03:22:17ChopperIs there a way to edit the high scores in plugins?
03:22:38lostlogicthey mostly use files to store them
03:22:44lostlogicso you can probably find and edit the files
03:23:00lostlogicbut I don't think there's a standard way that all plugins handle them
03:23:12Chopperi just had to reinstall everything on my ipod
03:23:18Chopperand wanted to put some old high scores back
03:23:30lostlogichehe, you should just get them again :-P
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03:24:39Choppernaw me and my friends
03:24:46Choppercompete for high scores in chopper
03:24:56Chopper4424 one of them got
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03:25:40ChopperI think i found it
03:25:52ChopperI will just get a random score then i can replace it with 4424
03:27:14lostlogicyeah, that makes sense :)
03:27:25ChopperSilly Ipodlinux
03:27:31Chopperi made a .cfg file
03:27:45Chopperand it messed up my entire disk
03:27:48Chopperhad to reinstall everything
03:27:57lostlogicI haven't tried iPL
03:28:06Chopperit's actually fairly cool
03:28:08Chopperi don't use it much
03:28:13Chopperbut it's cool to show people
03:28:33Chopperthe only way you can really mess stuff up is if you start following random advice on forums/irc
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03:30:59MeKi||aI think I overdid my iPod
03:31:08MeKi||ait says Please Wait Very Low Battery =P
03:31:29Choppersilly battery
03:32:00Chopperi got a charger thing
03:32:07Chopperthat lets me use AA batterys
03:32:08Chopperto charge
03:32:10ChopperVERY USEFUL
03:32:14Chopperto say the least
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03:32:26MeKi||anice, how much?
03:32:39Chopperhmm if i remember it was like 10 dollars or something
03:32:42Chopperi got it way back when
03:32:50Choppersearch google
03:33:58Chopperhmm you can make your own
03:34:07Chopperbut the instructables link is now defunct
03:34:08MeKi||athe altoids one?
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03:55:56Lloreansafetydan: Well, I found out part of what was causing the weird noises in my spx files. I'd been using an older encoder, and Rockbox doesn't seem to like files encoded with 1.0.4 (they play fine elsewhere).
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03:59:12safetydanLlorean, which is weird. Maybe it's an issue with the fixed-point decoder and older files...
03:59:47Lloreansafetydan: 's possible. Unfortunately, the playback speed issue is still there.
04:00:41safetydanWell that one I'm pretty clueless on. But at least I think I know how to fix stereo playback.
04:01:32LloreanWell, the playback speed one is about as minor as I could imagine a 'problem' being, since I can't hear the difference unless I play it back alongside something else playing an identical file, or the same audio in another format.
04:01:59LloreanThe difference in speed is small enough that if there's a pitch change, I can't hear it.
04:04:05safetydanhrm... could it be a resampler issue? Speex does have its own resampler...
04:04:23*safetydan makes notes on things to poke at in libspeex when he gets a chance
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04:04:48K3ntoyou can only skin the playing screen and not the menus?
04:05:19safetydanK3nto, yes
04:05:21Lloreansafetydan: It could very very easily be a resampler issue, I think.
04:05:39LloreanK3nto: All you can do for the menus right now is set a separate backdrop for them (shared with the filetree)
04:06:01safetydanLlorean, if it was though, I'd imagine it would be really noticeable if you used an 8000 Hz file
04:06:28K3ntoLlorean: i see
04:06:56Lloreansafetydan: I haven't used an 8khz yet. All my files I've created at 16khz so far. I'll try an 8 and a 44.1 later, I think. If it is a resampler issue, a 44.1 should play fine, right?
04:08:20safetydanLlorean, in theory yes
04:08:33LloreanWell, at least it might give some more information.
04:09:08LloreanI've got several Rockbox swcodec targets, so I could get all three in sync with an 8, 16, and 44.1 file, and see which one plays 'fastest' etc. That might give a clue, no?
04:09:50K3ntoLlorean: how do i select the font for my theme?
04:10:24safetydanLlorean, well it would certainly point in a direction yes
04:10:25LloreanK3nto: We request that you simply search the manual before asking questions, as we've written it to try to be as helpful as possible. It should cover changing fonts.
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04:50:59SimonSelkiHi, is there anyone here who can answer some questions about recording using an iPod?
04:57:08safetydanSimonSelki, it's best just to ask the question and see if you get a response.
04:57:23SimonSelkiFair enough
04:58:04SimonSelkiIs it possible to record on an iPod using another DAP and a line I/O cable?
04:58:18SimonSelkiLike, as if to transfer the song over by recording it in.
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04:58:42safetydanprobably, but you'll need a dock connector for your iPod as far as I know.
04:58:49SimonSelkiI tried earlier today, but I'm thinking my settings weren't right
04:58:54SimonSelkiHow do you mean?
04:58:56*safetydan doesn't own an iPod so can't really comment
04:59:04LloreanOn the 5G and Nano, you need a dock connector.
04:59:23SimonSelkilike, the USB cable alone won't work?
04:59:38LloreanRecording has nothing to do with USB.
05:01:13LloreanI'm not sure what you're doing with a USB cable, but if it's an actual USB cable it won't work.
05:01:15SimonSelkiokay, wait. I couldn't find any documentation on recording with an iPod at all. I assumed that recording would be done through the headphone jack
05:01:51LloreanOn some iPods the headphone jack can be used, on older ones, but on the 5G and Nano you must make use of the line in, which requires an adapter for the dock connector.
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05:04:20silvalyninhey i'm having some trouble, can anyone help me?
05:04:53Lloreansilvalynin: You're best off just asking the question. We don't know if we can answer it until you've asked.
05:06:02silvalyninAlright, well I got Rockbox installed on my 5G ipod, I messed around for a bit, then finally turned the ipod off.....but now i can't turn it back on
05:06:33LloreanWhat are you pressing?
05:06:49LloreanJust pressing Menu should do it.
05:06:59silvalyninit's not
05:07:01silvalyninnothing happens
05:07:07LloreanIf it's not, turn hold on then off again, and then hold Menu+Select to do the forced reboot.
05:08:02silvalyninyea nothing happened...wouldn't the ipod have to be on in the first place to in order for that input to be accepted?
05:08:25LloreanHow long did you hold Menu+Select for?
05:08:53silvalyninuh around 10 seconds, should i hold longer?
05:09:06LloreanRe-do the hold on/off thing first
05:09:14LloreanAlso, a good idea is to plug it in, as it may be the battery is low.
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05:10:54silvalyninhmm alright, it finally booted up after i let go of menu+select
05:11:07LloreanIt's a flaw in the iPods.
05:11:24LloreanSometimes when they actually turn off, they don't like to turn back on without doing that. It'll even happen in the Apple OS.
05:11:44LloreanThough Apple's software actually keeps the iPod turned on, in a low power mode, rather than shutting down all the way, unless you don't touch it for a couple days.
05:12:31silvalyninone more thing, are the fonts that are in the other font packages larger than the one in the default build?
05:12:50silvalyninbecause this font is ridiculously small
05:13:14LloreanThere's only one font package on the site
05:13:14silvalyninat least compared to the original on apple's software
05:13:23LloreanAnd it contains fonts in a very wide variety of sizes
05:13:43silvalyninso i'll put that on now i guess, thanks a lot
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05:27:59K3ntois rockbox supposed to take 20 seconds to pause/unpause?
05:28:12LloreanK3nto: Does it literally take 20 seconds, or are you talking more like 2 or 3?
05:28:27K3ntono, literally
05:28:33LloreanWhat player do you have?
05:28:42K3ntoi think my ipod 5g is broken anyway
05:29:03LloreanAnd have you disabled 'fade on stop/pause'?
05:29:22LloreanTry that
05:29:27K3ntook nm
05:29:31K3ntoits back to normal
05:29:34LloreanRockbox has no problem pausing instantly for me, on any of my players.
05:29:54K3ntoyeah, my ipod is... worn
05:30:00K3ntoits almost dead
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05:30:10K3ntoi have to restart ubuntu for it to even detect it
05:30:19K3ntoand windows doesnt even take it
05:31:10K3ntoi think i will get a zune once they're in canada. will rockbox be ported to zune?
05:31:26LloreanIf people who own Zunes do it.
05:31:35LloreanRockbox doesn't have a planned direction.
05:31:42LloreanAll that ever happens is that people with the players work on them.
05:31:55K3ntowould it be hard
05:32:05K3ntolike if i had somebody walk me through it
05:32:38K3ntonot that it would be a planned experience. just - somebody with a zune + linux pro
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05:33:00LloreanIt's not really something you could be walked through.
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06:11:36sharapThe only place in the faq I see the 80Gb version of the iPod mentioned also says the FAQ answer was written 8 months ago. What's the status of the 80Gb support now?
06:11:57bonbonthejonsharap: as far as i know, still not working
06:12:22Lloreansharap: If you look at the very front page of the site, the 80gb is not listed as supported.
06:12:42sharapis there somewhere I can find out what's not working about it, keep up to date on status reports, maybe even help out with porting it?
06:13:03Lloreansharap: There's a forum thread, but there are no status reports.
06:13:10sharapI saw that, but everything I've seen that says it isn't supported looks like it was written quite awhile ago so I wondered if things had changed
06:13:30LloreanIf things change, something new will be written.
06:13:49LloreanThe Rockbox FAT driver, I believe, needs to be modified, and while someone is working on it, he has real life as well, so hasn't finished it yet.
06:14:40LloreanThe forum thread even says clearly that the problem has been identified, and that it is being worked on.
06:14:49LloreanThat message is one month and six days old.
06:17:40LloreanIf you feel up to rewriting the Rockbox FAT32 driver, I can point you in the right direction of who to contact though.
06:17:59sharapI'm not trying to be critical or anything, I just knew the people here would be able to tell me for sure that the status is still not working. I'll check out the forums now. Thanks for your help.
06:18:27Lloreansharap: Why would we hide the fact that it is working?
06:18:47LloreanThe front page clearly says "Nano 2nd gen and 80GB Video 5.5th gen are not supported"
06:18:54sharapdrivers are quite a bit lower than I like to code, but I'll read up on it more and see if I might want to try it
06:19:50sharapand I've seen elsewhere that Archos is the only thing that is officially supported. Supported and working aren't really the same thing. I'm comfortable using something long before developers would call it a supported platform.
06:20:31LloreanThe front page clearly says that it is a list of what it _runs_ on.
06:20:50midkayi think that's a good point. the main page says "rockbox _runs_ on the following models:" but "80gb [etc] is not _supported_". it should probably be changed to "80gb doesn't run at all" or something similar.
06:20:55LloreanThe Archos is the only target it's "released" on, different from 'supported'
06:21:30Lloreanmidkay: My point is that everywhere on the site, such as the forums and the front page and the installation instructions in the manual all say the 80gb isn't supported.
06:21:52LloreanAnd yet it's very regular for people to come in and mention that they've seen all this, but for some reason don't believe it.
06:22:08midkayLlorean: i totally get that, sharap just pointed out a small inconsistency in the word choice and it's a little thing that could be a bit clearer.
06:22:17LloreanYeah, it could be clearer.
06:22:19midkayi think.
06:22:31midkaythe whole supported/unsupported/stable/partially working/officially released confusion..
06:23:28scorchewell, i explained the definitions for those terms when used inside the DeviceChart
06:23:46scorchebut it should be consistent throughout the whole site
06:23:57midkaythat's a step in the right direction... it'd be nice to boil it down to three statuses or so. supported (meaning released and, well, supported).. running, meaning works but isn't released.. and simply 'not working'.
06:24:06midkaya global terminology!
06:24:10sharapas I said, I read the FAQ as that is the typical go-to place for information about frequently asked questions. The very next sentence after saying the 80Gb doesn't work it says that the time of writing is July 2006, which was pretty much the same time the 80Gb was released. I don't see how it's so wrong of me to assume that maybe after it was released to the public rockbox was at least partially working on the device.
06:24:13LloreanI don't like "Supported" meaning "Released"
06:24:21scorchemidkay: see my DeviceChart =)
06:24:31midkayLlorean: what do you mean?
06:24:34Lloreansharap: Which is why the Forum thread and the front page of the site also say it doesn't work?
06:24:44Lloreansharap: As well as the actual manual, compiled daily?
06:24:48scorcheLlorean: you did when we talked about that a long time ago when we discussed those terms and their meaning...
06:25:10Lloreanscorche: My opinions do change with time, despite what some people touting features I object to might think. ;)
06:25:15midkayLlorean: i can see where he's coming from.. when he says "80gb model is not supported" you could interpret that to mean maybe basically working. unless there's some information i'm missing that says "the 80GB port is _not working_."..
06:25:24sharapthat's wonderful, but why not update the place where people check for frequently asked questions first?
06:25:28Lloreanmidkay: Well, to me, "Supported" should mean "We provide support for it", basically, any target we're willing to accept bug reports on.
06:25:35sharapusually people send questions on the forum to the FAQ, not vice versa
06:25:50Lloreanmidkay: "Released" should be for "Released" targets, "Supported" should mean "We take bug reports on this, and provide help if it fails"
06:26:16midkayLlorean: i guess that word has kind of grown over time.. initially we weren't really accepting reports for swcodec targets, but now that 3.0 has slipped we're pretty much supporting most "usable" players by now.
06:26:17Lloreansharap: What should we update about it? Change the message to say "It's still not released" every 2 weeks, with a new date, as a means of wasting our time?
06:26:33Lloreansharap: It is a wiki, you're free to do that so it's clearer for others.
06:26:44Lloreanmidkay: Yeah, that's exactly how I see it.
06:26:51Lloreanmidkay: If we allow bug reports on it, then we 'support' it.
06:27:34midkayLlorean: makes more sense, agreed.
06:27:34Lloreansharap: I just don't understand why the assumption is that all four places would be incorrect. You seem to be focusing on the FAQ itself, but I asked you about all of them.
06:27:59Lloreansharap: Yes, the date on the FAQ is old, but it's also _still_ not supported, as mentioned everywhere else that the 80gb is discussed.
06:28:50sharapI didn't check the forums, because I figured such a likely frequent question would be answered and explained elsewhere. It wasn't.
06:29:07LloreanIt was
06:29:10LloreanYou just didn't believe it.
06:29:27LloreanOr does the FAQ _not_ say the 80gb isn't supported?
06:29:32LloreanOr the manual?
06:30:10sharapit wasn't explained, and I'm not going to delve into a manual if my device isn't supported. The FAQ is where the question should be, as evidenced by the fact that you're annoyed at the frequency of people coming here to ask the question
06:30:27Lloreansharap: The question is answered in the FAQ
06:30:35LloreanIt states clearly that the 80gb model is not supported.
06:30:50LloreanThe front page of the site ALSO clearly states this.
06:31:06LloreanWhat _exactly_ do you want?
06:31:18sharapIf it's as clear as you make it out to be nobody would ask the question here :p
06:31:22LloreanWhat _exactly_ do you want?
06:31:27LloreanI feel it's clear.
06:31:29LloreanYou don't
06:31:34LloreanIt's a wiki: FIX IT.
06:31:58sharapI don't know anything about why it's not supported, which is exactly why I came here.
06:32:17LloreanThere's a difference between "Why it's not supported" and "whether it's supported"
06:32:19scorchethat is why we have an entire thread on it in the forums
06:32:32LloreanThe FAQ doesn't need to go into technical details as to WHY it's not supported.
06:32:52LloreanBut my question was how to fix the FAQ for explained that it isn't supported, not explaining why.
06:32:58sharaptell you what then, I'll put a link to the thread in the FAQ
06:33:11LloreanI thought the thread wasn't clear enough either.
06:33:16LloreanYou said you'd read it.
06:33:18sharapI haven't read the thread
06:33:24sharapno, I said I haven't been to the forum
06:33:32Llorean(11:13:02 PM) Llorean: sharap: There's a forum thread, but there are no status reports.
06:33:32Llorean(11:13:10 PM) sharap: I saw that, but everything I've seen that says it isn't supported looks like it was written quite awhile ago so I wondered if things had changed
06:33:47sharapso I typed that whole message in 8 seconds?
06:33:55LloreanI could type it in as much, yes.
06:34:17midkay*jaw drops*
06:34:38LloreanSince you never said anything to clarify that your message was in response to an earlier statement, was I meant to make a random assumption about it?
06:34:40sharap<Llorean> sharap: If you look at the very front page of the site, the 80gb is not listed as supported. <−−- it was actually in reply to that
06:35:00scorchei see it as 7 seconds here
06:35:13midkaywhat is that, 200 words per minute?
06:35:14sharapand then I said I'd check out the forum
06:35:25Lloreansharap: Either way, the issue at hand was whether or not the target is supported, which you said is not clear enough on the site, not the status of work on it.
06:35:43Lloreansharap: If you could explain how to more clearly say than what the FAQ says that the target is not yet supported, I would be grateful, but moreso if you'd update the FAQ.
06:35:50midkayLlorean: do we "support" all targets that rockbox runs on?
06:36:00Lloreanmidkay: All but the Sansa and the iFP
06:36:51midkayso if we have italic text saying "80gb model is not supported" you should be able to see how that can be interpreted as the 80gb port might work, if in a rudimentary way, maybe only of interest to developers?
06:37:06midkayi think all we need to change is "Rockbox doesn't run on 80GB models at all."
06:37:18scorche<blink> </blink>
06:37:29midkayrather, change to...
06:37:31sharapIf the FAQ is actually maintained in a timely manner, don't date your answers.
06:37:33Lloreanmidkay: Yes, but then if the user goes on to the manual, thinking it might install, they'll find out it won't.
06:37:50Lloreansharap: What exactly do you mean by that?
06:38:11sharapsaying the answer was written 8 months ago can mean that the status hasn't changed, or that you just haven't maintained the FAQ for 8 months
06:38:13midkayLlorean: i think you/we'd get a lot less "80gb working yet?" questions if it was very very clear that rockbox *does not* run on that model, rather than rockbox "isn't supported" (there can be a lot of interpretations about 'supported').
06:38:34midkaysharap: well, in all fairness, we wouldn't advocate it if it weren't maintained.
06:38:36Lloreansharap: If it hasn't changed in status since that date, another valid assumption is that it still doesn't work, since the question clearly hasn't been updated, and the page shows the last update in Jan of this year.
06:38:41sharapthe answer to which iPods does rockbox support: ...(all models but the 80 gigabyte). Note that the port to the 3G is less developed than the later iPods and currently (July 2006) ...
06:39:28Lloreansharap: Yes, but how does that lead you to an assumption that it's _wrong_?
06:39:33scorche1st and 2nd gens are also not supported
06:39:42LloreanAll it means is that the answer to that question has not changed since July '06
06:39:49LloreanSo nobody has rewritten it.
06:39:51sharapmidkay, the answer makes it clear that it simply doesn't work. It's the timeline that can be questioned. At least in the FAQ...
06:40:14Lloreansharap: So remove the portion of that question that deals with dates, if you feel it's misleading.
06:40:16sharapor the status has changed and nobody has updated the FAQ
06:40:22midkaysharap: you just said "the answer to which ipods does rockbox _support_".. we just went over 'support' not necessarily meaning 'run on'.
06:40:27sharapthat's exactly what I meant by don't date your answers
06:40:35midkaysharap: we won't say "read the FAQ!" if it's almost a year out of date..
06:40:42Lloreansharap: The page shows clearly it was last updated 25 of January, '07
06:41:37sharapanybody can update a wiki. If I knew the answer to one question and one question alone I can update it and the date will change. That does not mean all the other questions have been maintained up to that date as well.
06:41:45Lloreansharap: If you want to assume the FAQ is out of date, go to the manual which is rebuilt daily. The it's silly to assume documentation is out of date and then at the same time say that you couldn't be bothered to check the manual, because you were assuming it _wouldn't_ work on it. It goes one way or the other.
06:42:42Lloreansharap: What point is there even reading the FAQ if you're going to assume it's out of date. If there were no date on the question, you'd have come in here asking anyway, or would you have instantly assumed that if it wasn't dated it _must_ be up to date?
06:43:11sharapalright, I got my question answered in the first few messages sent to the channel after I arrived. I could tell by your tone that you weren't happy the question was even asked so ever since then I've just been trying to justify *why* I asked the question and you're basically telling me (and anybody else that asks it) that we're wrong for asking it. If you think so, make it clearer.
06:43:24sharapI wouldn't assume it was out of date if the answer didn't say it was written 8 months ago.
06:43:37LloreanThat's silly
06:43:49LloreanWhy not?
06:44:01LloreanYou could look at the changelong and see it was written 8 months ago if you wanted.
06:44:03sharapbecause it was last edited in January ;)
06:44:23LloreanSo, you base the assumption that the question is out of date on simply one meaningless bit of extra information?
06:44:28sharapor I could pop onto IRC and ask a question in 10 seconds (then spend the next 30 minutes arguing about why I did so)
06:44:35LloreanYou _assumed_ that we wouldn't try to update an important piece of information.
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06:44:55Lloreansharap: Yes, because the information is in four places, and you looked at one of them, and then assumed it was lying to you.
06:45:06Lloreansharap: You said it's unclear. It's a wiki, please fix it.
06:45:11sharaphey printfXh4, iPod video 5.5 generation still isn't supported, in case you were going to ask ;)
06:45:23printfXh4sharap, nope. :P
06:45:25printfXh4I idle here.
06:45:27printfXh4I own a Sansa.
06:45:29sharapI looked at 3, 2 of which were dated 8 months ago and 1 of which didn't have a date
06:45:36midkay(that isn't supported either!) :)
06:45:44Lloreansharap: Okay, what were the 3 you looked at?
06:46:01Lloreansharap: And why did you refuse to believe that we would ignore 3 pieces of information on the site that all stated the same thing?
06:46:07sharapFAQ, main page, and a forum that a google search turned up
06:46:25LloreanSpecifically, why would we leave it on the main page if it was wrong?
06:46:37LloreanAnd, why don't you just update the FAQ?
06:46:50sharapbecause it doesn't look like a site that is maintained on a regular basis? I don't know. I did assume it and I'm apparently not the only one. I don't see how that puts me at fault.
06:47:03sharapbecause I'm spending my time arguing about an entirely trivial thing with you instead
06:47:10Lloreansharap: The most recent news on the main page is from 4 days ago...
06:47:30Lloreansharap: You're basically telling us that unless we continually update the date on when the Ipod was last not supported, you don't think it's clear enough
06:47:44LloreanSince you did state that no date would've been fine, but the front page, which has no date, clearly isn't fine for you after all.
06:47:45sharapNo, not at all.
06:47:51LloreanSo again, what _exactly_ needs to be done?
06:48:06sharapwell for now, it needs to be dropped
06:48:06LloreanThe front page apparently doesn't look like it's updated often enough.
06:48:09LloreanHow can this be fixed?
06:48:17sharapI'll read the forum thread, put a link to it on the faq, and remove the July 2006 date from the answer
06:48:29LloreanWell, I don't want to ever have to answer "No, the documents aren't lying to you, the 5.5G 80gb doesn't work" ever again.
06:48:38sharapyeah, I can tell ;)
06:48:48LloreanSo, why is the front page bad, as you said it didn't help either.
06:48:56midkayLlorean: maybe the solution is to change "80gb model not supported" to "80gb model doesn't work". :)
06:49:06Lloreanmidkay: That wouldn't solve the 'It doesn't look like it's updated often' part.
06:49:08sharapwhich is why there should be a link to current information (such as the forum thread) so lazy people such as myself can find out for themselves
06:49:16Lloreanmidkay: He can still say "Well it looked like that message was old"
06:49:17midkayLlorean: and remove the outdated date. and voila.
06:49:29midkayand the forum thread, that makes current information.
06:49:32Lloreanmidkay: Still doesn't fix the front page looking like it's not updated often.
06:49:35midkayi think that covers all the necessary bases...
06:49:36LloreanThe forum thread is locked
06:49:43LloreanWith a month and a half old last post.
06:49:48LloreanBecause that's the last information there is.
06:49:49midkayshould we open a new one?
06:49:54Lloreanmidkay: No.
06:50:05Lloreanmidkay: I closed it so people would stop asking "Is it done yet" despite all evidence to the contrary.
06:50:10scorcheall we would get with it would be "when will it be done?" "is it done yet?"
06:50:18sharaphow's that working then?
06:50:27Lloreansharap: I answer it a lot less these days
06:50:36Lloreansharap: But some people just can't believe we'd tell the truth on the front page of the site.
06:50:43midkaythen just make sure it says "the 80gb model is not currently working at all." make it very clear that the writing is current.
06:51:05Lloreanmidkay: Or better yet "We WILL add the 80gb to this list when it works. Please do not ask."
06:51:14midkayLlorean: absolutely perfect.
06:51:16sharapyeah, that'd be a good idea
06:51:36midkayso that's our solution and i bet we get asked a lot less once it's put into effect.. meaning we can drop this!
06:52:26ampleyflyhow come a large amount of the songs in .scrobbler.log are not "added" when uploading the log to
06:52:32ampleyflyis it to do with tagging?
06:52:53Lloreanampleyfly: Have you opened up the .log yourself and looked at it to make sure they're there properly?
06:53:57LloreanThough yes, well tagged files are important for the feature to work, I believe
06:54:15ampleyflyLlorean: well, there are files added and files not added from the same album
06:54:24ampleyflyand they look similar to me in the log
06:54:42ampleyflyexcept for S and L
06:54:46ampleyflywhich I guess is important
06:55:11ampleyflylike skip and log or something?
06:55:19LloreanI don't know what the S and L mean.
06:56:25safetydanI think they do mean skip and log.
06:56:35safetydanSkipped songs won't be recorded in scrobbler
06:56:38midkayokay, i fixed the FAQ. now we just need frontpage write permission from someone.
06:56:51ampleyflyso, skipped as in not played for long enough?
06:57:13ampleyflythat, I guess, would be a good explanation
06:58:41safetydanamplefly, pretty much. If you skip before about half way through the song, it's not recorded
06:59:02scorchemidkay: looks like you are waiting for the swedish trio
06:59:18midkayscorche: i guess so. don't think anyone else has such access.
07:00:18safetydanamplefly, explains the rules
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08:24:56aliaskSo, today's the day for the AMS meeting.
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08:26:24aliaskExciting stuff. I'd wish them the best of luck but they might already be there.
08:26:58aliaskWhat do we hope to get out of this as a best case scenario? Just datasheets?
08:27:11aliaskDebug hardware?
08:27:14LinusNi just want the datasheets
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08:29:14JdGordonand a licesnse to write code from it...
08:29:34aliaskHeh, that'd be a bit grim if they sued us after giving us the datasheet :P
08:29:44Llorea1Grim, but not unbelievable.
08:29:58JdGordonno, they'd sue for making the code avilable...
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08:31:41aliaskThey seem to be OK with releasing the code under GPL (from the wiki page)
08:31:59LinusNtheir standard nda is not exactly airtight, but it doesn't explicitly allow open source code
08:32:04JdGordonthey were 2 months ago... we'll wait and see how they are now..
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08:33:36cf-dankyCan someone help me. How do i add Flac to my ipod. Itunes wont add it :-\
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08:34:01Llorea1cf-danky: You can just copy the files across like you'd copy them to any disk.
08:34:40cf-dankyI did that, and it wont be listed under database? and i think because it has no tags, it screwed up the theme :-\
08:35:04LinusNthen it will be sorted under <untagged>
08:35:20cf-dankyWhat do you mean?
08:35:27cf-dankyAlright, i dragged one file into my ipod
08:35:30Llorea1If a file has no tags, the Rockbox database will show it as 'untagged'
08:35:32cf-dankyso ..
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08:35:46cf-dankyWhere do i add this file?
08:35:54cf-dankyi have it in k:\
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08:36:04cf-dankywhere all the folders are
08:36:04LinusNcf-danky: if you are serious about using rockbox, and other file formats, you should drop itunes
08:36:24cf-dankyI have no problem with that. :p
08:36:33Lloreancf-danky: Have you read the section of the manual on how to use the 'database' yet? You don't add individual files. You tell it to update, and it finds them.
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08:36:46LinusNcf-danky: create a folder in k:, for example "Music"
08:37:00LinusNand copy it there
08:37:10LinusNthen read up on the Database
08:37:12LinusNin the manual
08:37:37cf-dankyAlright thanks
08:38:18LinusNyou're welcome
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08:40:49pondlifejhMikeS: Did you see this..
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08:58:51cf-dankyAnybody got the dockpod aqua?
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09:03:02linuxstb_dan_a: I read in the logs you were helping someone run ipodpatcher with a completely blank ipod. Apart from the check for "ipod" magic in the MBR, the other checks shouldn't be disablled - ipodpatcher modifies the firmware partition, so by definition requires one in the correct format to start with. The Apple bootloader in flash also requires a firmware partition in the right format, in order to load the firmware from it.
09:05:12jhMikeSpondlife: H300 problem? :P
09:05:16linuxstb_If anyone has a similar problem, the required steps for restoring a blank ipod are: 1) Download the MBR for their ipod from the IpodConversionToFAT32 page, and dd it to the ipod, then unplug and reattach; 2) Downlload the .ipsw file for the ipod from, unzip it, and then dd the Firmware-X.Y.Z file to /dev/sda1; 3) Format the FAT32 partition, making sure it's FAT32.
09:06:04jhMikeSCan't say I have that happen but the ata and scheduler changes are building now.
09:06:11pondlifejhMikeS: Just thought the symptoms sounded familiar..
09:07:11jhMikeStry it out now :)
09:09:30midkayLinusN, still around?
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09:11:35midkayLinusN: i don't know if you saw the discussion earlier, but there was some debate over the word choice on the front page: "80gb model is not supported"..
09:11:49LinusNsaw that
09:11:53midkayany thoughts?
09:12:07LinusNcf-danky: with what?
09:12:26LinusNmidkay: i can change it to "doesn't work"
09:13:02cf-dankymy progress bar
09:13:08cf-dankyits too high
09:13:31midkaythat sounds good.. s/not supported/doesn't work/ - same for the gigabeat S blurb too?
09:17:52cf-dankyugh everything isnt placed right
09:18:15pondlifejhMikeS: argh?
09:18:39pondlifeAh, red?
09:18:47LinusNcf-danky: i suspect your WPS requires a patched rockbox build
09:18:56jhMikeSyes...spotty build table...
09:19:08pondlifeNow fixed, will svn up again...
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09:19:10cf-dankyhmm. where would i do this?
09:20:07pondlifejhMikeS: Do you think this is an old problem? It seems odd that I've only noticed it recently, as perhaps has that FS reporter..
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09:21:03jhMikeSI think it's a new one with the scheduler switch and the adding of boost to recording
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09:21:49pondlifeHmm, yellow spots still..
09:21:57jhMikeSThe higher the priority of the thread trying to access the disk, the more it was stopped by a low priority one
09:22:14jhMikeSanother build will start soon
09:22:38jhMikeSsvn up should be fine
09:22:44cf-danky(LinusN): How would i patch my rockbox build?
09:23:04Lloreancf-danky: You'll need to either read the guide to compiling, or download a pre-patched build from the forums.
09:23:37cf-dankyI have no idea what your talking about :-\
09:23:56*pondlife wonders if pre-patched builds without source are GPL compliant...
09:23:58markuncf-danky: in the forum there is a section with 'unsupported builds'
09:24:02Lloreanpondlife: They aren't.
09:24:16pondlifeGood job we're nice guys
09:24:36cf-dankyAlright, im in there. Now just get one of those?
09:24:47Lloreanpondlife: I'm planning on updating the 'POSTING IN THIS FORUM' with a notice regarding the GPL stipulation that you provide source and a copy of the license, then giving notice in the threads where source isn't provided.
09:25:17jhMikeSpondlife: If I disabled the priority scheduling the problem went away but not as dramatically as this will fix it.
09:25:19Lloreancf-danky: Well, you need to figure out what patch your theme requires (hopefully it says where you downloaded it from), and then download a build that includes that (or those) patch (or patches)
09:25:58Lloreanpondlife: But then, I've been planning that for a little while now, and haven't managed to get around to it yet, because it includes a cleaning up of that forum, and the threads that haven't been updated in ages.
09:26:42pondlifeMaybe the unsupported builds should be subdivided by target more too?
09:26:48cf-danky(Llorean): i have Arctic Desert and Dockpod Aqua
09:27:04Lloreanpondlife: It can't, really. Some builds are for multiple targets.
09:27:13pondlifeAh, ok
09:27:15Lloreanpondlife: And there's no restrictions on what range of targets a build can be for.
09:29:02Lloreancf-danky: I said that you need to see if they require patches.
09:29:23Lloreancf-danky: It's also possible that they just require the fonts. Did you download and install the fonts as the manual mentioned?
09:29:45cf-dankynooo lol
09:29:49pondlifejhMikeS: Looks good here. Seems to have made the whole thing more responsive too :D
09:30:23Lloreancf-danky: Well, you might want to try that.
09:30:37pondlifeI'm still getting some odd stats from tagcache.c though!!
09:30:56pondlife130% complete
09:31:19jhMikeSwell, that's tagcache's...erm...database's problem I think
09:31:39pondlifeNowt to do with the kernel the build server stuck?
09:32:02cf-dankyThanks llorean
09:32:19pondlifeProbably not yet. It's been under estimating by 30 seconds recently
09:32:50jhMikeSI think it's a little more over than that by now...will wait
09:33:05pondlifeArgh, just locked up my H340.
09:33:37pondlifeJust browsing the database
09:33:54cf-dankyNow just have to learn how to tag these FLAC files and ill be all set changes to that
09:34:01pondlifeI think it may have just completed an update pass.... I'll get a pin and try again.
09:34:16jhMikeSI've run many an update pass by now
09:35:05jhMikeSyeah...that builds taking a long time allright
09:35:06pondlifeOK, I can repro it... nothing to do with updates
09:35:15pondlifeDisk indicator on though :(
09:35:34pondlifeMaybe my database is corrupt - I'll reinit
09:35:43jhMikeSand build finished with green :)
09:36:03pondlifeThis is a hard lock, backlight not going out etc.
09:36:19jhMikeSonly h300s....I swear :P
09:36:40*pondlife throws it out of the window
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09:37:05jhMikeSGigabeat, H120 and x5 were going smoothly.
09:37:17pondlifeOK, try this. Go into Database > Artist > (pick an artist) > (pick an album) > (play a track)....
09:37:51pondlifeThen press whatever key takes you back to the browser without stopping (e.g. SELECT).
09:37:52jhMikeSjust fine
09:38:11jhMikeSfine again
09:38:13pondlifePress MENU
09:38:23pondlifeGo into Database
09:38:51pondlifeYou should be back on the track you selected.. .press LEFT
09:39:02pondlifePress LEFT again
09:39:13jhMikeSfine here
09:39:48pondlifeHappens every time here. <All tracks> highlighted and disk indicator lit. Playback not happening.
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09:40:53jhMikeSdelete the database and build it again and see
09:41:33pondlifeYep. FWIW I have database in RAM with auto update on, but gather runtime off
09:41:56pondlifeAnd dircache off
09:42:15jhMikeSme too...all the same
09:42:36LinusNtucoz: looks very wrong to me, should be a typedef
09:42:41pondlifeHehe database rebuild is *much* faster now.. 120% complete (12487 entries)
09:42:55tucozLinusN, thanks.
09:43:04pondlifeOK, rebuilt and rebooted
09:43:28jhMikeSyes, but recording or other activity will have their rightful priority access to the disk
09:44:00pondlifeStill locks up totally :(
09:44:07pondlifeTotally reproducible.
09:44:27pondlifeWhen you press SELECT on the WPS, does it take you back to the file browser, not the DB browser?
09:45:04pondlifeSame here... I think that's unintentional, so maybe it's corrupted something?
09:45:26*pondlife tries to simplify the recipe
09:45:56*jhMikeS has a recipe but no bread
09:46:19pondlifeAH, I've cleared settings and the problem has gone
09:46:20jhMikeSI'll check x5 out...been using H120
09:46:31pondlifeLet me reload my settings again
09:46:44*jhMikeS wonders why he just doesn't always tell people to do that automatically :P
09:47:33*jhMikeS is afraid the bigfoots' feet keep getting bigger
09:47:57pondlifeOK, put my settings back and it locks up again
09:48:28pondlifeCan you repeat the recipe and make sure you browse all the way back to the root dir when in the file browser part.
09:48:50*pondlife suspects "Follow Playlist"
09:49:29LloreanGodEater: Well, he did say he's using it as a disk to store them.
09:50:23jhMikeSthat was off
09:50:25pondlifeOK, the problem didn't occur with Follow Playlist turned off
09:50:33pondlifeI'll just repeat a few times
09:50:52GodEater_Llorean: I'm still willing to bet against you ;)
09:51:21LloreanGodEater_: That's fair. I would bet against me too.
09:51:37jhMikeSstill nothing
09:51:58LinusNgah, there's a nasty race in the audio init
09:52:00pondlifeOK, seems to happen only with Follow Playlist On here. Tried both settings twice each
09:52:03jhMikeSthis could change timings
09:52:09GodEater_I feel really sorry for that legion guy in the gigabeat forum. He's clearly technically challenged - but he's been so polite all the way through his thread
09:52:17LloreanGodEater_: I can't believe that one user "just clicked format" not intending to wipe his disk. =/
09:52:39GodEater_Llorean: yes - he's not the brightest bulb
09:53:02scorcheLlorean: i once had a customer accidently format his computer because he thought that he had a virus (in reality, he just had his numlock on and it was a laptop)
09:53:35scorchei dont get how they can figure out how to format and yet, not know what numlock is
09:53:39pondlifeDid you repro?
09:53:49Lloreanscorche: One of my parents' friends, when I was younger, his wife accidentally formatted the C: drive while trying to format a floppy, but that's the worst format error I've seen in person (and that one's almost understandable, it was a typo)
09:54:09*GodEater_ looks at the A and C keys on his keyboard
09:54:11pondlifeHmm, it asks for the old volume label doesn't it?
09:54:22pondlifeOn a HDD I mean
09:54:48LloreanI'm not sure it did in the DOS 5.0 days, but I don't really remember for sure. ;)
09:55:03GodEater_even so, some people don't get the link
09:55:18GodEater_"Why is it asking me for the HDD label when all I want to do is format this floppy?"
09:55:29GodEater_"oh well, it must have a good reason, so I'll just type it in"
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09:55:46jhMikeSpondlife: no such symptom on the build before the change?
09:55:58LloreanGodEater_: Well, people assume they've done the right thing. It's always "Oh, those silly programmers, they have it doing something unnecessary. Well, I'll jump through their hoops if I must."
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09:56:11GodEater_Llorean: that was my point I think
09:56:29pondlifejhMikeS: I don't think so, will try
09:56:36LloreanLinusN: Does the race have symptoms, or is it a potential problem in the works?
09:57:04LinusNthe symptom is that the voice file is not loaded at boot
09:57:47LloreanSo that's what's causing those people in the ML to think voice is defaulting to disabled?
09:58:39LinusNthe audio buffer is reinitialized *during* the read() of the voice file
09:58:48jhMikeSthe database on x5 is gonna take a looooooong time ... millions of files :)
10:04:42jhMikeSLinusN: when did that start?
10:05:08LinusNit's an old bug, but it was revealed with the root menu patch
10:05:26LinusNsince talk_id() is called when the root menu is displayed
10:05:48LinusNbefore the root menu, it was first called when the user pressed Menu
10:05:54LinusNi.e much later
10:06:12LinusNthe asynchronous audio init is the problem here
10:06:20jhMikeSThen it's time to add the single call audio init I cooked up.
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10:06:46jhMikeSno anychronous and the last call
10:06:54LinusNdoes the audio init really take that long????
10:07:08LinusNi mean, why init in the background in the first place?
10:07:33jhMikeSsome reason about initializing some sound setting but it's not relevant now at least
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10:10:43jhMikeSwell, the single synchronous init was debugged and running aeons ago...better dig it up
10:12:15LinusNjhMikeS: i'll hack in a fix in the voice code in the mean time
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10:13:25jhMikeSok...shouldn't take me long though
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10:14:03LinusNjhMikeS: i think the ATA spinlock issues are more important
10:14:39jhMikeSissues? not aware of anything related to that yet
10:14:44pondlifejhMikeS: Sorry, router locked up, about to try the old version..
10:14:59jhMikeSyou mean what pondlife is experiencing?
10:15:00LinusNjhMikeS: what's the deal with pondlife then?
10:15:07jhMikeSDon't know yet
10:15:21pondlifeI can repro a hard lock, don't know if it's related to the new stuff yet though
10:17:10pondlifeJust building revision 12687.
10:17:29jhMikeSooh...the ata driver inspects mutex.locked directly ... not sure if that's important yet
10:17:38jhMikeSshouldn't be
10:20:24pondlifeOK, I've definitely got the old version... it's running like a 3-legged dog again
10:20:56jhMikeSmy millions of database entries just finished committing on the x5 :P
10:21:11pondlifeThe "good" news is that it still locks up
10:21:26pondlifeSo your fix is not responsible.
10:21:28jhMikeSmaybe it has to do with this audio init stuff
10:21:51pondlifeIt shouldn't be doing any init, audio is already playing
10:21:59pondlifeLet me try without playback...
10:22:16jhMikeSMy x5 just locked after a huge database commit
10:23:03pondlifeMine might be committing too. It's just after I reboot...
10:23:23pondlifeI wonder if I leave it 5 mins before I start the recipe... will that help?
10:23:44jhMikeShuge database and I can't even navigate it there. the one on the H120 is quite small.
10:24:06pondlifeI've got nearly 13000 tracks
10:25:05SlasherijhMikeS: hmm, how did it lock?
10:25:14SlasherijhMikeS: and how many entries you have in the db?
10:25:23jhMikeSjust navigating...and I have voice on
10:25:31Slasheriah.. interesting
10:25:41pondlifeI don't have voice enabled at all
10:25:42jhMikeSwhere do I read that one out
10:25:50pondlifeThere is an English.voice present though
10:25:53Slasheriyou just have to guess :)
10:25:59pondlifeDebug > Database
10:26:03pondlifeor thereabouts
10:26:35pondlifeThe UI responsiveness is so much better now.. It's night + day.
10:26:37jhMikeSI have to bring it back up
10:26:53jhMikeShad to reset setting so it says 0 now
10:27:48pondlifeIf I use STOP rather than SELECT to exit the WPS, the browser behaves itself
10:27:56pondlifeAnd there's no lockup.
10:28:10LinusNthe talk fix is committed, you might want to try it
10:28:14bluebrotherhmm. Is booting the OF on the mini2g broken?
10:28:20jhMikeSup to 10971
10:28:30jhMikeSstill climbing
10:28:46jhMikeSI have the HVSC too
10:28:50Lloreanbluebrother: It shouldn't be unless they used the newer, but not newest, bootloader.
10:29:08pondlifeLinusN: Thanks
10:29:20bluebrotherit was me, and I used the current ipodpatcher from the download page
10:29:29bluebrotherthen I guess I messed something else up
10:30:02bluebrotherjust wasn't unsure if the boot problem got fixed.
10:30:10LloreanIt _should_ be fixed.
10:30:19pondlifeOK, if I exit the WPS with SELECT, then press STOP so playback is stopped, the lockup still occurs.
10:30:21LloreanYour bootloader, it doesn't show text, right?
10:30:35LloreanYeah, then it should be the version that's supposed to work.
10:30:36pondlifeSo it seems that the lockup and browser/root misbehaviour always occur together.
10:30:46Llorean'Supposed to' being the operative bit.
10:30:53LloreanThe problem was never solved, it just kinda went away.
10:30:58bluebrotherbut maybe I used the wrong button to boot of ... it's hold, isn't it?
10:30:59LloreanAt least, if what I hear is true.
10:31:08jhMikeSpondlife: I probably have 30000 files or so and I couldn't do anything
10:31:14LloreanYeah, turning hold on immediately after turning on the iPod should do it.
10:31:31pondlifejhMikeS: Couldn't do anything? You mean couldn't reproduce?
10:31:35bluebrotherok. I'll try again later, don't have the ipod handy atm.
10:31:51jhMikeSpondlife: no...couldn't navigate the UI
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10:32:08pondlifejhMikeS: Hard lockup?
10:32:13jhMikeSand the x5 has half the RAM
10:32:14LinusNpondlife: there is a chance that my voice fix could help in this case
10:32:21pondlifeJust trying it now
10:32:33jhMikeSdon't know about that since my backlight is usually on while debugging
10:32:59pondlifejhMikeS: Set it to go off after 10 seconds?
10:33:45pondlifeLinusN: Nope, talk.c wasn't the problem.
10:33:46jhMikeSwell, I was rebuilding to check my file count but I don't have much hope in getting one since once it's done I couldn't do anything at all
10:34:19pondlifeWeird how Follow Playlist affects it. I suspect root_menu.c is corrupting something.
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10:35:26jhMikeSyou said dircache off?
10:35:35SlasherijhMikeS: are you sure it did commit? In commit phase, player could lock up for some time because qsort() for a huge table can take a long time
10:35:39pondlifeBut I don't know if that's relevant
10:36:24jhMikeSIt went though and said it committed all 8 part
10:36:24pondlifeSlasheri: Any way that could be made a bit more friendly?
10:36:44jhMikeSI didn't even have to navigate to the database though
10:37:21pondlifeSlasheri: I always get > 100% complete progress - normally 120%... anything to worry about?
10:37:33SlasherijhMikeS: ok, then it shouldn't have been the problem
10:37:52Slasheripondlife: do you have dircache enabled?
10:37:53jhMikeSAfter it committed 8 parts after the reboot, it locked at the root menu
10:38:30SlasherijhMikeS: weird.. did you have autoupdate enabled?
10:38:39Slasheripondlife: ok, then that counter cannot work
10:38:52pondlifeHmm, so why bother updating it?
10:39:00SlasherijhMikeS: try disabling that if it makes any difference
10:39:25pondlifeMy lockup is not related to database building or committing. I waited for it to complete and I still crash.
10:39:34Slasheripondlife: it's a debug menu and a glitch with the counter
10:40:14pondlifeSlasheri: No worries, as long as it's not indicative of a wider problem.
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10:40:59Slasheripondlife: shouldn't be. With autoupdate and dircache disabled, that percent counter can go above 100% if there are new entries
10:41:00jhMikeSI reset my settings and that disabled the auto lock
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10:41:11jhMikeSI can update in the background just fine
10:41:56Slasheriok, so auto update may have caused the lock-up
10:42:19jhMikeSI can record and update in the background just fine so I don't think it's ATA related
10:42:45pondlifeOK, I have fixed my lockup
10:42:53pondlifeOne line mod in root_menu.c... no idea why
10:43:07pondlifeSomeone have a look at line 99
10:43:27pondlifeI changed this to: strcpy(folder, last_folder);
10:43:27jhMikeSIf you make mistakes with disk get told very quickly :)
10:45:07jhMikeSyou mean got rid of strcpy(folder, wps_state.current_track_path);
10:45:21pondlifeYes. Made Follow Playlist inoperative in other words.
10:45:48jhMikeSis current_track_path NULL or other garbage?
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10:46:00pondlifeI reckon it might be....
10:46:19pondlifeHmm, it can't be NULL
10:46:41jhMikeSif not that, not initialized?
10:47:02pondlifeI don't think it should even be going into this code. At no point did I want to see the file browser..
10:48:35jhMikeSdo a dump of current_track_path in a splash an see if it's garbage
10:50:11jhMikeSx5 is still happily updating the db in the background and recording at the same time ... this would kill things if the ata stuff or scheduler had a problem
10:51:00pondlifeI'm certain this is a root menu problem, not a kernal/ATA issue.
10:51:45pondlifeNope, current_track_path is set up ok
10:53:02jhMikeSyou know, strncpy should really be used though :\
10:53:35pondlife Well, they are both paths...
10:53:57pondlifeBut strcpy should probably be removed completely if we're being good
10:53:58jhMikeSnever assume that the lengths are ok...
10:54:30jhMikeSmaybe I'll remove strcpy to encourage good bounds checking :D
10:54:40pondlifeIt's not a length thing here though.
10:55:03pondlifeThe problem is more that it shouldn't even be executing that code
10:55:22jhMikeSyou checked the length with the same thing that locks up the system?
10:56:39jhMikeScould be an uncaught stack overflow
10:56:40pondlifeThe other difference is that the variable 'folder' ends up with a full pathname (i.e. folder and file)... maybe that's not expected.
10:57:40jhMikeSIf that buffer is allocated passed the end of the stack but not entirely used, the deadbeefs won't nescessarily be gone
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10:57:46jhMikeSbut just an idea
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10:58:28jhMikeSpondlife: turn on the Catch Mem Access in the debug screen and try the lock
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10:58:57pondlifeOK, which setting?
10:59:09pondlifeZero area (all)?
10:59:09jhMikeSjust All
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10:59:54pondlifeI0C: Debug ar 3103C3EE
11:00:19jhMikeSHit the zero area
11:00:34pondlifeWhy isn't catch mem access enabled all the time? Does it eat battery or slow things down?
11:00:52amiconnNo, it would probably scare users
11:01:04jhMikeSIt should
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11:01:14pondlifeYes, but better to find and fix bugs than let it hobble along IMHO
11:01:44pondlifeThe error occurred at the same point as the lockup previously, not earlier
11:01:57pondlifejhMikeS: Can you turn that on and try to repro?
11:02:16pondlifeI have to get to Work now.
11:02:30amiconnThe point is that the exact error address would only be helpful if (1) the user states the _exact_ build where it happened and (2) the corresponding .map files were available
11:02:50amiconn(2) is still not the case afaik
11:03:10pondlifeTrue, but we could keep maps for our builds easily enough, surely?
11:03:16amiconn...and (1) is very unlikely to happen for an average user
11:03:56pondlifeEven a "useless" report of I0C would be of some use. It would perhaps reveal a recipe to repro if nothing else.
11:04:01amiconnIf you have the exact build, the address and the .map file, you can look up the exact instruction within a function where it happens
11:04:21amiconnMemory guard is available on sh and coldfire
11:04:31pondlifeAlthough the reputation of Rockbox would be lowered amongst the non-hackers
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11:05:07pondlifeMaybe it could at least be made into a persistent setting - I assume it's per session at the moment?
11:05:52jhMikeSif I can get anywhere
11:06:23jhMikeSa couple clicks and it done for
11:06:28pondlifeThat might be a seperate issue - how many files?
11:06:35pondlifeCan you get into the Debug menu?
11:06:44jhMikeSabout 30200 so far
11:07:27jhMikeSI doubt it
11:07:54jhMikeS31000 and climbing :)
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11:08:18pondlifeThat's a lot slower than here on an H340.. .
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11:09:48pondlifeOr does it get progressively slower?
11:10:23jhMikeSI don't know
11:10:59pondlifeI'm seeing about 1000 entries in 40 seconds
11:11:08jhMikeSIf it's qsorting it will
11:11:28pondlifeI don't think it qsorts until the committing stage
11:12:11pondlifeWhich does take ages, although I don't know if it does it this way when loaded to RAM...
11:13:05jhMikeSduring the boot commit, the backlight is really unresponsive to come back on
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11:13:21pondlifeYep, that's the sorting part
11:14:04jhMikeSthat should be addressed with a yield counter
11:15:09jhMikeSthe whys and wherefores of preferring preemptive multitasking...much easier
11:15:52pondlife"10.36.24 # <pondlife> Slasheri: Any way that could be made a bit more friendly?"
11:17:23jhMikeSyes...yield...don't hog the CPU :)
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11:19:24pondlifeHow many last-chance recovery modes do Sansa put in their players? ;)
11:20:08jhMikeSProbably need to sign a NDA to find out
11:21:09pondlifeJust read ... lol
11:21:31Lloreanpondlife: Considering how many people manage to use the recovery mode to mess up their player worse, it's a good thing there's so much further you can go.
11:24:40pondlifejhMikeS: Did you get into the Debug menu yet?
11:25:18jhMikeSI'm there but load to ram was off as was auto update
11:26:15jhMikeSnow load to ram is on
11:26:55jhMikeSno locks sans auto update
11:27:42pondlifeI have auto update off now FWIW and it still crashes
11:30:06jhMikeSno crash yet
11:30:19jhMikeSthough half my ram is gone
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11:32:45jhMikeSI0C: Debug at soon as I enabled follow playlist
11:33:24jhMikeSdoing the recipe you gave
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11:39:41jhMikeSpondlife: still there?
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11:41:05pondlifeSort of
11:42:00pondlifeSomething in tree.c isn't expecting a full path (with file) in the current folder structure...?
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11:43:39pondlifebrb, quick meeting...
11:43:44webguest43nothin, just wanted to see if it works:D
11:44:38webguest43never used irc until today...
11:45:20markunI started using it only a few years ago
11:45:38markun(because of rockbox)
11:45:51jhMikeSwell, rockbox browse uses the path so I'd follow that down
11:46:11webguest43shouldn't we receive some kind of info about the progress at AMS?
11:47:06Lloreanwebguest43: I'm not sure you'll hear anything until after they return.
11:47:06LinusNwebguest43: i guess they are quite busy
11:47:41webguest43that's nice to hear
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11:53:04etylHello, I've read the manual and I'm still stuck. I installed rockbox on my iPod (5th generation video) without any major problems but now it's not visible when I plug it in via usb.
11:54:09etylI'm running kubuntu which previously to installing rockbox was automagically mounting it to /media/ipod but now when I plug it in rockbox recognises the usb cable reboots, thinks for a bit and then displays "ok to disconnect"
11:54:24etylI've checked dmesg and it doesn't seem to be getting picked up at all
11:54:28etylany ideas for where to start?
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11:56:16Lloreanetyl: If you manually reboot the iPod to disk mode, does it work okay?
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11:58:45etylLlorean: If by disk mode you mean rebooting into the Apple firmware, it currently isn't showing up booted into that firmware either. If you mean something else I may have missed something crucial in the manual.
11:59:16Lloreanetyl: If you hold Menu+Select to reboot, and then immediately hold Select+Play it goes into disk mode.
11:59:40amiconnpondlife: Memory guard is currently per session, but on SH it survives rolo
11:59:44LloreanBut even if you just reboot into the apple firmware, and then plug in the cable after that, you're completely outside of Rockbox at that point. If you still have problems it suggests that there's something else at play.
12:00:16etylLlorean: disk mode displays "ok to disconnect"
12:00:26etyli'll reboot into windows and see if i've broken the cable
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12:08:09pondlifeamiconn: Would you object to it being a persisted setting?
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12:08:58etylLlorean: Whatever it was, rebooting seems to be the solution. Some bug in kubuntu I guess. Thanks for the disk mode tip.
12:08:59pondlifeI would certainly prefer to have it enabled at all times except if I'm running a party
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13:09:12markunWhat to do with "has there been any progress" posts in threads which clearly don't show any sign of progress?
13:09:25markunignore, delete or reply?
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13:12:58*Ribs has no authority on the subject, but would personally say reply with an honest answer
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13:14:48markunRibs: yes, perhaps is some cases there really has been progress which wasn't comunicated to the people reading the forums only
13:14:56amiconnLinusN: Isn't the wait for inited audio only needed for swcodec?
13:15:06Ribsplus, it's nice to be honest about problems or lack of progress.
13:15:15Ribsthis isn't microsoft, after all
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13:17:26markunRibs: no, I don't want to be dishonest about the lack of progress, but usually progress will be visible anyway so people don't have to ask about it
13:18:26Ribsa lot of projects just ignore the 'any progress' questions
13:19:37desowin'any progress' questions are irritating
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13:52:31LinusNamiconn: probably, since the init will always be done on hwcodec
13:52:48LinusNthe fix is only temporary
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13:53:23SikuHeya. I have 1st gen iPod Nano with the latest Rockbox build (today's one). Whenever I try to play my Vorbis files, after few seconds of playback Rockbox crashes with "Data abort at 40001324" error message.
13:54:06LinusNSiku: have you upgraded to the latest bootloader?
13:54:14jhMikeSLinusN: yes...quite temporary :)
13:54:25LinusNjhMikeS: :-)
13:54:46SikuLinusN: nope. So there is a new bootloader available?
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13:54:56jhMikeSno problems with voice and single stage
13:55:08Sikuoi, need to test with that one
13:56:09webguest65i do also have a problem with vorbis files and the build from yesterday. but it only tells me "codec failure"
13:56:20webguest65i am using 1st gen nano
13:57:23LinusNwebguest65: try the latest bootloader
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13:57:53LinusNand make sure you have extracted *all* files from the zip
13:58:19webguest65i have installed the bootloader yesterday
13:59:25webguest65and i have extracted them all. there is a vorbis.codec file in the .rockbox\codecs directory
14:00:01LinusNthen i have no other clues
14:00:30webguest65hmpf. i will try to install it again as soon as the build is green
14:00:39LinusNit's not green?
14:01:11LinusNlooks good to me
14:01:16webguest65now it is :)
14:02:23jhMikeSpretty good space savings too
14:02:41webguest65installing the bootloader is just done by calling ipodpatcher.exe, isn't it?
14:04:22jhMikeSwell, my voice is starting ok now so anyone inclined check out that is loads allright
14:14:25SikuLinusN: Installing the new bootloader solved the problem. Thank you!
14:15:50LinusNSiku: great
14:17:53preglowgod, imagine what a support nightmare this would be without ipodpatcher :>
14:18:46webguest65mine does work again, too. i am not sure what it was, but i guess it was a corrupt file system
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14:26:47Sikuhmm.... Now it won't boot to the disc mode, it only boots to Rockbox when I connect my iPod to USB
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14:29:19Sikunevermind, I think the problem is with XP not recognizing any USB devices on my system. Reboot should fix it...
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14:42:18mattzzAnybody with svn superpowers here?
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14:44:05rp-AMS is/was awesome!
14:44:21mattzzhad a good meeting?
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14:44:57mattzzso there is hope for sansa with sound :-P
14:45:38rp-well, i think we have all the information
14:45:56mattzzwhat about the NDA stuff?
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14:48:19mattzzrp-: are you allowed to talk about it? :-)
14:48:46rp-we have a datasheet, but we may only able to give it to core developers
14:49:07rp-we have more talkings about that at 5 o'clock
14:49:30mattzzThat's fair enough. Great!
14:50:05mattzzSeems to be a major breakthrough
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14:52:44markunrp-: good to hear!
14:53:53preglowcool, cool
14:53:58preglowi look forward to hearing about the results
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15:02:57SlasherijhMikeS: the whole idea about the two-phase audio initialization was that lengthy init operations (such as the pcm_init, might take over 1s on iriver) is done in background so other initializations can be done without slowing down the boot process
15:04:45preglowwere there any comments to reveal that fact? :>
15:06:32markunSlasheri: a little tagcache question:
15:06:56markuneh, dircache actually
15:07:27amiconnjhMikeS: Why are so many variables declared 'volatile'?
15:08:07markunwhen rockbox returns from USB mode it starts scanning in the background. When I shutdown rockbox (while scanning) and boot again dircache scans, but in the forground this time
15:08:23markunSlasheri: can it be fixed to also scan in the background?
15:08:39jhMikeSamiconn: dunno...not my doing
15:08:59jhMikeSShasheri: Well, which iRiver?
15:09:18SlasherijhMikeS: Hxxx with the UDA codec
15:09:45Slasherimarkun: hmm, should be fixable
15:09:47jhMikeSI don't think that little bit of code is gonna take 1s or even .01s
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15:10:03preglowthere are sleeps in it, i think
15:10:08preglowpop prevention
15:10:36Slasheriyep, there is a very long pop prevention sleep.. just a moment
15:10:40jhMikeSyes, the UDA...hardly noticeable really.
15:10:47jhMikeSin pcm_init
15:11:40jhMikeSpcm_init can go on another thread if one prefers
15:12:05Slasherii would prefer that
15:12:44Slasherithe old preinit did that just fine
15:13:20preglowSlasheri: any plans on updating RockboxKernel, btw? :>
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15:13:46preglowthere's been an update
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15:14:28jhMikeSI think it was overkill
15:14:34Slasherithere is sleep(HZ);
15:14:42Slasheripreglow: already uploaded the new picture :)
15:14:52Slasherithat explains more than a thousand words ;)
15:14:52rp-so... our internet ticket is running out and.. hmmm..
15:14:55rp-see ya
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15:15:04jhMikeSand obviously was problematic
15:15:51SlasherijhMikeS: how? audio_init() could/should wait until the preinit is done
15:16:14jhMikeSthe voice race condition
15:16:24Slasheriyeah, i saw that
15:16:28Slasherineed to examine code more
15:16:56jhMikeSIs this really only to accomodate the UDA?
15:17:30Slasherior the audio initializations could be three-phase :)
15:17:39Slasherithat would prevent it
15:18:16preglowjhMikeS: several other drivers sleep too, afaik
15:18:23Slasheriaudio_preinit(), audio_block_until_initialized(), talk_init(), audio_init()
15:18:26Slasherior something like that
15:18:28jhMikeSI'm looking...can't find it
15:18:28preglowthe wm8975 does, but as of now to a lesser degree
15:18:29*amiconn sincerely doubts that the pop prevention needs a full second
15:18:40Slasheriamiconn: it needs
15:18:41preglowamiconn: i believe it was tested
15:18:45Slasheriamiconn: and even more is better
15:19:11Slasheriprobably that last commit should be reverted
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15:20:35jhMikeSI think it can be worked out such that outputs can be enabled separately
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15:29:29amiconnjhMikeS: The X5 also pops on boot iirc
15:30:01jhMikeSamiconn: can sleep all day with that one though
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15:30:24jhMikeSI think I can rearrange things and not add any stages
15:31:56jhMikeSseems like all traces of residual voice boost are gone though as well
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15:41:22jhMikeSone thing I've learned...if noone's telling you you're doing things wrong, you're certainly not doing things right :P
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15:45:20jhMikeShaha ??
15:46:25jhMikeSanyway...I'm just tired as heck atm
15:50:44preglowwe need some kind of collective rockbox ai here that knows everything
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15:53:35jhMikeSwell, to me, waiting a little is no biggie really but I can accomodate.
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15:53:59preglowi don't care too much either, but there are several startup time junkies in here
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15:54:50preglowand i can see how it's worth keeping it down
15:54:54jhMikeSI can keep it pretty much to starting the drivers only and not risk any race conditions.
15:55:06preglowthe wm8975 can sleep for three seconds and still pop on startup
15:55:34preglowmakes me wonder
15:55:40preglowperhaps the ipod bootloader enables it for us
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15:55:56preglowwhy, oh why, do i always end up reading disassemblies these days
15:56:22jhMikeScause you like to peep at naughty things?
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15:56:41preglowwell, i do do that
15:57:02preglowhmm, bootloader does indeed touch the wm
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15:59:08preglowit does quite a few things to it, actually
15:59:42preglowbah, it's got the entire init sequence retailos itself has
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16:00:25preglowpossibly because of diag moe
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16:09:53jhMikeSmaybe I should async the lcd startup too? that can take a bit.
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16:11:05preglowjhMikeS: will count ever be 0 for the resamplers?
16:12:44jhMikeSnor for any other function since the dsp while loop checks that
16:12:58preglowoh, does it
16:13:04*preglow rubs eyes
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16:13:18jhMikeSand if the resample returns 0 it breaks
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16:14:22preglowso if pos is 0, the first iteration of the loop is always going to happen
16:14:23preglowgoodie, goodie
16:14:49preglowsomething must have happened to my brain since i wrote asm last
16:14:57preglowit seems ill-suited to the purpose now
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16:18:18jhMikeSyeah, my asm only checks bounds if pos > 0
16:19:14preglowyeah, i see
16:19:46preglowcan't look at your asm too much, it'll probably write better arm asm if i don't
16:19:50preglowi'll <-
16:20:09preglowi'm still not entirely 100% good at using arms features
16:20:10*bluebrother gets annoyed by JoaquimDiaz in the wiki
16:21:04preglowbluebrother: what's he up to?
16:21:09bluebrotherI really don't understand why he repeatedly reverts my explanations.
16:21:19bluebrotherpreglow: see the IriverFlashing page
16:21:30preglowmail him and ask
16:21:33bluebrotherhe always talks about some "Files" folder.
16:22:16preglowyeah, i see
16:22:18preglownot very good terminology
16:23:10preglowthere's an email addy on his page, just ask
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16:23:50preglowif he persists in doing so, just revoke his write perms
16:25:02markunpreglow: scary that anyone with write permission can do that :)
16:26:03preglowwell, it is a wiki, everybody is free to harass everyone else in whatever fashion they wish :P
16:26:27XavierGrdouble edged knife indeed
16:26:28preglowmarkun: i kinda think that should be fixed, though
16:26:50Febsbluebrother: I think that the way that you wrote it in revision 23 is perfect.
16:26:51preglowgive edit privs to that page only to people who can be trusted
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16:29:42GodEater_ust chiming in here, but I agree, this JoaquimDiaz is a blithering idiot
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16:31:33w1ll14mhmmm what did he edited on the IriverFlashing page ?
16:32:02markunw1ll14m: he changed 'root folder' to 'Files folder'
16:32:11jhMikeSboy that got me once allready calling audio_set_crossfade without having two certain variables initialized...and again
16:32:12GodEater_look at the history of changes w1ll14m
16:32:30w1ll14mmarkun: that's indeed stupid
16:32:45w1ll14mGodEater_: I couldn't see it... maybe i'm getting blind ..... ;)
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16:33:05markunw1ll14m: and he did it more than once..
16:33:27w1ll14mmarkun: isee, but WhyTheHeck would he do that ?
16:33:48GodEater_w1ll14m: see my comment about him above ;)
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16:34:24w1ll14mGodEater: you mean 'this JoaquimDiaz is a blithering idiot'
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16:34:35GodEater_yup ;)
16:34:37*w1ll14m Agrees with that
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16:35:44w1ll14mbut i'm an idiot too ;) but i don't do such things ... (i do others like not understanding some words on fs :))
16:36:06XavierGrwow this guy is obsessed with editing iriverflash page
16:36:18w1ll14mI wouldn't even dare to edit those pages
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16:38:00w1ll14mDamn .... he's a person from the netherlands.......
16:38:18w1ll14mi'm a shamed......
16:38:31J_dI've refined and edited the flashing procedure because i found that the H1xx fl expanation for flashing was way to longwinded, unclear, and missing info
16:39:44FebsThe point that raied this discussion is that you are erroneously referring to "File" as being the root of the file system, which it is not.
16:40:23J_dok, thats a mistake, but bluebrothers explanation was very long winded and unclear,
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16:41:08w1ll14mJ_d in that case i would have contacted a dev about this or someone at irc
16:41:08J_dmy idea was to simply and create a step by step procedure which would be simple and easy to follow
16:41:17FebsHis initial description was quite clear: "Stop audio playback and navigate to the filesystem root folder (through the Files entry in the Rockbox menu) where the rockbox.iriver file is"
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16:41:41J_dI DID try and begged, but noeone was interested, i even asked Loolearn to proff read it
16:42:14J_dso dont tell me that I didn't try to conntact a dev here, i tried until i was blue in the face
16:42:49markunJ_d: well, sorry for that then :)
16:43:17FebsWe've got two different discussions going on here. There's nothing wrong with editing the wiki and trying to improve the documentation. There IS something wrong with the specific change that you made. That's all.
16:43:36w1ll14mas i said '[16:30.51] <w1ll14m> I wouldn't even dare to edit those pages' especialy if no one is interested
16:43:53w1ll14mbut that is how i think ;)
16:44:03nlsjhMikeS: You initialize some variables with the NOCACHEBSS_ATTR attribute in playback.c, I think these should be changed to NOCACHEDATA_ATTR. They are probably cleared on targets for which NOCACHEBSS_ATTR is defined otherwise (pp-targets).
16:44:56bluebrotherJ_d: hi ... I have no problem with you improving the wiki, but please make sure the information you are writing is correct.
16:45:04J_di'm hapyy with that, but please understand, my idea was just to simplify that procedure and not turn it into a rambling soliloquy on how to find a file
16:45:29bluebrotherI even added a lenghty description (which was also meant as hint) on how to find the file
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16:45:46bluebrotherI don't see any need in making this lengthy, but I think it's needed to be correct.
16:46:06bluebrotherthe new main menu has already caused quite some confusion. We don't need to add more ...
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16:46:23bluebrotheras I wrote, "Files" not necessarily takes you to the root of the filesystem.
16:46:23markunbluebrother: most poeple seem to like it
16:46:31J_dtrue, i agree, but i found that your explanation for finding a file was complex and longwinded
16:46:52bluebrothermarkun: it's not that I dislike it ... I'm just somewhat unpleased by the confusion it caused
16:47:28markunbluebrother: is there anythink confusing in particular (anything that can be fixed)?
16:47:32bluebrotherJ_d: feel free to make it better. If you keep it in a correct and clear way I don't have any problems with that. Yours was simply wrong.
16:47:49jhMikeSyeah, well now the startup is faster than before and no bugs and no queue looping
16:47:57J_dunderstood, thanks
16:48:06markunjhMikeS: and smaller code?
16:48:08bluebrothermarkun: I don't think it can easily be fixed. It's just how people understand that menu
16:48:10jhMikeSof course
16:48:17jhMikeSalways small code ;)
16:48:26markunyes, that's the way to fix bugs :)
16:48:28lostlogicjhMikeS: I'm glad you did away with that 2-phase init on audio man, very glad.
16:48:36bluebrotherif we consider it as a main menu (which we do afaik) we should do so consequently
16:48:47bluebrothereven if it's called "root menu" in the source −− that doesn't matter.
16:48:52jhMikeSlostlogic: It's baaaaaaaaaack....because some don't like the delays
16:49:08bluebrotherat least not to users ;-)=
16:49:24markunjhMikeS: at my work there used to be a guy who fixed bugs by adding extra code to work around them instead of finding them :)
16:49:28GodEater_markun: could you try to reproduce a bug for me on your gigabeat ?
16:50:01jhMikeSmarkun: I usually find it most useful to fix bugs by deleting code and then working forward to tweak it.
16:50:10Febsbluebrother, J_d, look at the revision that I just made and let me know what you think.
16:50:14markunjhMikeS: yes, exactly what I think
16:50:37bluebrotherFebs: looks good to me
16:50:43jhMikeSso I deleting lots of code till Slasheri had a heart attack and wanted me to revert it all :)
16:50:48GodEater_markun:if I have music playing, and I have auto change folder turned on, *and* I'm in the file browser when rockbox attempts to load the next file from the next folder, I get a codec failure
16:51:39nlsjhMikeS: did you see my previous message?
16:51:39bluebrothersomewhat similar to r23 ;-)
16:52:05J_dFebs: looks good, I would change "Following" to as "Follows"
16:52:18GodEater_in fact, if anyone else could attempt to reproduce that bug - that would be cool
16:52:19roolkuGodEater: IIRC this is an ancient bug (from when acf was introduced)
16:52:30jhMikeSnls: which previous?
16:52:32J_dFebs: First Initialize your player as following:
16:52:58nlsjhMikeS: (repost) :-) You initialize some variables with the NOCACHEBSS_ATTR attribute in playback.c, I think these should be changed to NOCACHEDATA_ATTR. They are probably cleared on targets for which NOCACHEBSS_ATTR is defined otherwise (pp-targets).
16:52:59GodEater_roolku: oh really ?
16:53:07FebsJ_d: I agree. I was looking only at the specific bullet point that was the source of our disagreement.
16:53:13GodEater_roolku: and no-one has ever tried to fix it ?
16:53:18J_dsure, thanks
16:53:18roolkuGodEater: acf is very fickle - it doesn't also work when you are in plugins etc
16:53:27jhMikeSnls: I didn't add NOCACHEBSS_ATTR
16:54:00nlsjhMikeS: no, but it was already there, and it makes those variables go to ibss for pp targets
16:54:10roolkuGodEater: it has been discussed on IRC but I don't think anyone fixed it, no
16:54:16J_dthanks, later.
16:54:25GodEater_roolku: is there a flyspray for it ?
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16:54:35markunGodEater_: latest build?
16:54:37amiconnnls: If the variable isn'tz initialised, it should go to bss
16:54:47GodEater_markun: it's from yesterday actually
16:54:52nlsamiconn: yes, but it IS initialized
16:54:53roolkuGodEater: no idea - I only remembered it when you mentioned it
16:54:56markunGodEater_: mine is too
16:54:58markunI'll try it
16:55:04GodEater_I can update to today's if you like, but if what roolku says is true then it won't matter
16:57:21markunan, didn't read his remarks
16:58:30GodEater_I don't recall ever seeing the bug occur on my H140 - I though it was gigabeat specific
16:58:41GodEater_guess I just never happened to be in that situation on the H140
17:01:23jhMikeSnls: I just wanted inits to be explicit ...
17:02:21nlsjhMikeS: ah, ok, I just think that they won't be inited for pp targets but if it doesn't matter... :-)
17:02:33jhMikeSthey won't be zeroed?
17:02:57jhMikeSok, I get it...I"m falling asleep
17:03:05*preglow gives jhMikeS uppers
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17:03:32*markun passes him some downers so he can finally go to sleep
17:03:36w1ll14mbrb guys ;)
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17:03:42*jhMikeS .... more more more .... async init doesn't voice the inital menu item automatically
17:04:34jhMikeSso I have to stay awake however many hours it takes ...
17:09:00preglowyou _have_ to? :>
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17:10:29jhMikeSwell, some people can't wait 1 second :))
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17:12:56jhMikeS...but if they can wait one second for several hours ... all will be well
17:12:59preglowi wouldn't mind
17:13:09preglowrockbox has been far, far more broken than this
17:13:15preglowfor longer than a couple of hours
17:13:35jhMikeSnot on my watch *stands up and salutes*
17:13:43*roolku rather has a pop than waits the extra second
17:14:12roolkuthe boot times on gigabeat are a major pain coming from a romboxed h140
17:14:15jhMikeSthe main thing is really the audio driver init
17:14:34roolku(unrelated comment)
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17:15:01pondliferoolku: How much quicker is an H140 once romboxed? Compared to normal Rockbox...
17:15:05jhMikeSruns times on a gigabeat are a major relief coming from anything
17:15:42jhMikeSbut mostly you're watching the nice forest scene for so long
17:16:08preglowyes, sirety sir sir sir!
17:16:27roolkupondlife: it depends on wps and other stuff, but the improvement was significant
17:20:04GodEater_roolku: have you tried the speedy boot GBSYSTEM on the wiki somewhere ?
17:21:04raphihi there! just a little question, does the iaudio X5 automatically charge if it is connected through usb? if yes, is there a possibility to listen while charging? if no, is there something i must do that it charges my accu?
17:21:44bluebrotheranyone knows a source of free gameboy roms for creating screenshots for the manual?
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17:25:18roolkuGodEater: no, I haven't seen it....
17:25:22*roolku goes looking
17:26:05toffe82for the gigabeat, I will do some test to try to reflash the bootloader next week when I recieve the jtag interface. I hope the jtag is active.
17:26:41toffe82If it is ok , after we can do it by soft, but we will have a way to recover in case of a crash
17:26:42markuntoffe82: good to hear!
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17:27:03roolkutoffe82: that sounds good :)
17:27:29markuntoffe82: we just need someone with a JTAG interface to test the bootloader everythime we want to release one
17:27:40toffe82no problem
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17:28:54toffe82If it is working, I think I will put togehter a small kit so everybody who want it can use it, just sold a connector on the gigabeat , which can stay when the case is closed and when you want to debug or reflash, just ope the case and connect the interface
17:29:29The-CompilerCan i get the "recent SVN activity" in a RSS-Feed??
17:29:39raphino idea how to charge an iaudio X5 per usb?
17:30:03bluebrotherThe-Compiler: no, but you can look for the rss feed of the rockbox-cvs mailing list (which is basically the same)
17:30:09*roolku is ready for soldering - has two spare working motherboards :)
17:30:48The-Compilerbluebrother: Where can I get it?
17:30:54jhMikeSraphi: it just does
17:31:01markunroolku: please don't destroy any of the last few Gigabeats alive :)
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17:32:19raphijhMikeS: ok, and is there a possibility to listen to the sound while charging?
17:32:55jhMikeSnot from usb,no
17:33:04bluebrotherThe-Compiler: argh, forgot to mention gmane
17:33:13raphijhMikeS, thanks!
17:33:21bluebrotherrss feed for the gmane archive for rockbox-cvs
17:33:35GodEater_jhMikeS: does holding menu while plugging in the usb cable not work like it does on iPod and Gigabeat ?
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17:34:19roolkuGodEater: hm, I wonder what exactly has been done "basically getting rid of the OF(original firmware) and just having nearly empty files"
17:34:26roolkuGodEater: let me try it :)
17:34:46GodEater_roolku: open them up in a text editor and you'll see - their pretty small
17:34:51SlasherijhMikeS: i think single-phase audio init is ok too if you can prevent that huge delay other way
17:34:59jhMikeSGodEater_: no, it just goes to usb mode
17:35:01GodEater_it makes a bit of difference to boot speed for me anyway
17:35:30jhMikeSSlasheri: It needs to decouple for pcm_init. Nothing else really delays anything.
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17:38:09jhMikeSI think the audio thread can do the whole thing in one step and just wait to be released at the end really.
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17:38:58Slasherihmm, maybe. but then it should be called earlier (where the preinit call was)
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17:43:10lowlightThe-Compiler: my little secret ;)
17:44:04markunlowlight: thanks
17:44:37The-Compilerlowlight: Thx too
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17:46:27lowlightSure. I think it updates every 6 hours, so it's usually a little behind the main page.
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17:48:08roolkuGodEater: seems to shave off 2s ... but you lose your safety net of being able to boot OF...
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17:49:49markunroolku: who wants that anyway :)
17:50:14lowlightSome more rss feeds I made on rockbox-rss-patches.xml, rockbox-rss-bugs.xml, and rockbox-rss-feature-requests.xml
17:50:37The-CompilerYeah, thx
17:50:51roolkumarkun: only for emergency USB when I have broken rockbox.gigabeat
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17:58:27markunroolku: do you have a X?
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18:13:45roolkumarkun: no there don't seem to be any around in the UK :(
18:16:16The-CompilerIs anyone here, who speaks German?
18:16:58*roolku The-Compiler I do
18:17:31roolkuThe-Compiler: I do
18:17:44The-Compilerroolku: Cool! /j rockbox-de
18:18:14The-CompilerIf it's possible
18:19:53markunroolku: then you can use the 'rescue mode' in the bootloader (it currently doesn't work on the X)
18:20:30roolkumarkun: hm, I tried it once and it didn't work - will try again
18:23:32roolkumarkun: works now :) Good to know. Cheers
18:24:59roolkumarkun: how do I get out of it?
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18:37:40bluebrotherhmpf. Wrong window ...
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18:45:40roolkupetur: did you ever get a chance to try the eeprom stuff on h300?
18:46:00peturI tried reading it and it looked ok
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18:46:21roolkupetur: good :)
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18:50:40bluebrotherhmm. Looks like booting into AppleOS doesn't work on my mini
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18:51:34bluebrotherany ideas? Wasn't there a way to load AppleOS from a file?
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18:53:05bonbonthejonbluebrother: on my 4g I just needed to turn it on, then switch the hold
18:54:30bluebrotherbonbonthejon: I know that solution, it simply doesn't seem to work: apple logo comes up, backlight a bit later, backlight turns off. Nothing happens until I reboot the ipod
18:55:18bonbonthejonbluebrother: do you have a very recent bootloader
18:55:40bluebrotheryes. Downloaded today ;-)
18:55:48pixelmabluebrother: maybe a stupid question... did you check before installing rockbox if apple OS is present/works?
18:56:05bluebrotherpixelma: it works. I even uninstalled the bootloader and can run AppleOS
18:56:33bluebrotheronly the dual booting doesn't work. Not that I care too much about it, but it would be nice
18:56:43bluebrotherlike for some comparisons etc.
18:57:24pixelmahmm.. no idea then... I'm not exactly an Ipod expert :)
18:57:34bonbonthejonbluebrother: I booted back into Apple's OS, and I was amazed at how bad it was, I had forgotten
18:57:58bluebrotherme neither ... bought an ipod to be able getting the feeling of RB myself ;-)
18:58:08bluebrotherRB on ipod even
18:59:29preglowjhMikeS: think i've nearly halved the size of dsp_downsample compared to gcc code, so it should at least have SOME impact
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19:05:07jhMikeSgood going :) ... on our way to rockbox as one noop
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19:09:46siracshmm .. i'am using rockbox now some month on my iriver h10
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19:11:42maeckIs it so that the current IpodVideo builds are broken (audio playback)
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19:11:46preglowjhMikeS: shorter than your cf code too :) which is one of the nice parts about arm
19:11:59preglowit usually does yield less lines of code if there's not too much ldr/str going on
19:12:48jhMikeSWhy are ARM images larger in general?
19:13:30preglowinstructions are always 32 bits and compilers suck
19:14:19preglownow for the first downsampler test
19:14:24preglowmy guess is we'll have a data abort of some kind
19:14:40dan_amaeck: They shouldn't be, but if you are getting a data abort when you try to play music then you probably need to update your bootloader
19:14:59preglowonly a hang ://
19:15:02jhMikeSOr rice Crispie sounds
19:15:06maeckaha!, that could be it. I still had an bootloader from January 2006
19:16:11dan_amaeck: Then, yes, that will be it. Installing a new bootloader is very easy now.
19:16:38jhMikeSwas looking at the compiler code for those mutexes and just really wanted more asm for that too
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19:17:08jhMikeShard to resist it it is
19:18:39preglowit gets addictive :P
19:19:39jhMikeSgcc almost never takes advantage of status codes set by any instruction other than cmps :(
19:20:46preglowthat's one thing it seldom does right indeed
19:21:00preglowespecially annoying for arm, where a flag in each instruction decides whether to affect status regs
19:21:08preglowand each instruction can act upon the flags
19:21:16preglowmakes for really small conditional stuff
19:21:22jhMikeSnot for gcc
19:21:29preglowit sometimes does clever stuff
19:21:30preglowoften not
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19:22:06jhMikeSoddly the one non-cmp opcode I've seen it use status codes for is move...which tends to be the most useless
19:22:51preglowthere's some more coldfire work coming in gcc at 4.3
19:22:54preglowlets hope that's good
19:23:00preglowif 4.2 EVER gets out if limbo first, that is
19:23:02preglowof too
19:23:38jhMikeSI hope it improves things alot...rockbox would suddenly be about half size if it did.
19:23:59preglowyou could go head and learn gcc internals, you know :PP
19:24:12preglowi tried, but i just turned out even more crazier than i was when i started trying
19:24:17jhMikeSI've considered it
19:24:28preglowthere's a lot to learn before you can do useful stuff
19:24:46jhMikeSI've considered we should have our own custom compilers
19:25:00preglowwe already do require patches for some targets, so.
19:25:21jhMikeSThat's gonna be a long staring job ... :\
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19:26:27jhMikeSI've started to notice its canned approach to both CPUs ... same basic functional outlines on stuff
19:27:18dan_aWhile we're talking compilers, why would I get Undefined Instruction errors when trying to run thumb code?
19:28:17preglowbecause you somehow tried to jump there without bx?
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19:28:53dan_aI'll check, but I don't think so...
19:29:09siracsi've looked around .. is there any place where i can help the developers for the h10 to bring radio to life?
19:30:09axyjodoes anyone know the eta of rockbox for the 80 gb ipod video?
19:30:21thegeekno planned eta axyjo
19:30:28axyjoi c
19:30:32thegeeklinusn is working on it, but he is a very busy man
19:30:34dan_aaxyjo: There's no ETA. The problem is known, but solving it takes time
19:31:00Arathissiracs: If you can port it, yes. The H3x0 radio code is quite usable for the h10 as far as I know.
19:31:05jhMikeSthere was a bx stuck in there
19:31:05axyjobut cant you just change the new 5.5 30gb version and change the number of cylinders or something? i'm pretty sure the underlaying software is the same
19:31:16thegeekaxyjo: the harddrive is different
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19:31:25thegeekin such a way that requires a major rework of the ata code
19:31:28axyjoahh.. i c
19:31:50thegeekand the ata code is apparently very complex and hard to modify
19:32:08jhMikeSIf I didn't know better, I'd say they just had a compiler for x86 emit different opcodes
19:32:44*siracs knows a bit or two bout coding .. but never done it so close to the hardware
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19:33:17*jhMikeS didn't know the ata code was complex...someone should have said something before he changed things today :P
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19:33:59thegeekam I wrong?
19:34:22thegeekI seem to remember some discussion about it beeing optimized for low memory usage, and thus somewhat hard to modify
19:34:23jhMikeSIt's pretty straight forward really. The FAT code is a bit more intimidating.
19:34:29thegeekI meant fat code
19:35:02jhMikeSyeah, that's a tangle
19:35:39dan_aI think I've found my thumb code problem - preglow: there isn't an implied change to thumb mode if you pop the PC off the stack in ARMv4
19:36:10siracsso when i want radio on the h10, i have to port it myself?
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19:36:36jhMikeSI guess I know nothing about FAT structure though, that would help know why it is what it is
19:36:37Arathissiracs: or find someone who can
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19:37:38axyjodoes anyone know of any other homebrew software to run on the ipod?
19:37:41dan_asiracs: I think the main thing will be finding which GPIO pin is attached to the radio. You can either do that by tracing it on the circuit board or disassembling the original firmware
19:37:56dan_aaxyjo: There is iPodLinux
19:38:08axyjodoes it work with 5.5g 80gb ipods?
19:38:50axyjoSeptember 2006 5th gen iPods (Brighter backlight, Quick Search function, AKA 5.1/5.5/5th Gen Enhanced) do not work yet... unfortunately not
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19:39:11thegeekI think it does work
19:39:23siracsdan_a: ah .. maybe i will ask a friend bout that disasempling
19:39:42jhMikeSfiles need to be case-only renamable ... and I see regular old mutexes there ... should try the spinlocks on it. It improved the ata enormously.
19:40:54dan_aaxyjo: I think there was a change made recently to make the 80Gb's work, but you would be better off asking that in #ipodlinux
19:41:09axyjothanks for the channel!
19:41:16siracsthere are two cpu cores in the h10 .. as in most ipods, is the second used in any way?
19:43:27dan_asiracs: Since last weekend, yes. The second core decodes music (or video when you use the Mpegplayer plugin)
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19:44:19siracsplaying Doom AND hearing music .. that rocks!!
19:44:48siracs.. hmm .. maybe it's called rockbox cause of this
19:45:02muesli__you wont hear approaching monsters anymore ;)
19:45:52siracsdamn .. but it's a step in the right direction
19:46:34dan_asiracs: I don't think music and doom work at the same time
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19:54:37jhMikeSpreglow: any resampling happening yet or is it still downsampling by 100%?
19:54:49jhMikeSor would that be inf?
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20:30:51austriancoderhi all
20:31:05austriancoderso.. the meeting is over
20:31:16peturtell us!
20:31:23austriancoderand a lot of good news
20:31:54austriancoderI hope to get audio playback ready until tomorrow - i have a lot of time in the train
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20:32:25XavierGrwow nice indeed
20:32:52XavierGrany details?
20:32:59austriancoderalso i got an as3514 testing board, wich i can connect to usb :)
20:33:38austriancoderso.. we got the datasheet, but it will not be public accessable
20:33:52XavierGrbut the code can be under GPL right?
20:34:20austriancoderat the moment only two of us (rp- and I) have the datasheet - code will be under GPL
20:34:46austriancoderASM also wants to use RockBox on their new player to show to costumers what can be done
20:35:34XavierGrthat is just great
20:35:43XavierGraustrian microsystem is my guess! :P
20:35:51*austriancoder thinks that a wiki page would be fine to tell the world about the day.. which ended with some beers with our contact person *g*
20:35:52dan_aAre you allowed to share the datasheet at all?
20:36:24austriancoderdan_a: only to some "core" developers..
20:36:36austriancoderGalois: AustrianMicrosystems
20:38:02dan_aaustriancoder: Wonderful news! What is their device like? Is it based on the AS3525?
20:39:16austriancoderdan_a: how the development of their reference player will look like.. we will get some developerboards - one costs about 3000 euro - and we can start porting
20:39:41dan_aDo we have documents for that too?
20:39:50austriancoderTheir player is as3525 based.. or as3517/18.. dont know..
20:40:12austriancoderyes.. but we will get the documetens.. same rules as for the as3514 datasheet
20:40:41austriancoderoh.. and we get also their low-level drivers to look at it.. today was a good day
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20:43:17preglowaustriancoder: cool!
20:44:04dan_aaustriancoder: I can't wait for sound on the Sansa!
20:44:50preglowwill be extremely nice
20:45:08austriancoderdan_a: you need to wait until tomorrow :) As my laptop battery is empty i can only sit here in an internet cafe and can wait until my train is here, where i can connect the laptop to power
20:45:41XavierGrwith sound on sansa the port will be complete right?
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20:46:29dan_aXavierGr: It will still be missing USB, and there are massive improvements that can be made in the LCD and flash drivers
20:46:32austriancoderdan_a: at the moment i am looking how to send data over i2s to the as3514
20:46:40saratogaastriancoder: dan_a and Bagder are about as core as the sansa people get, could you send them datasheets?
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20:47:11dan_aaustriancoder: Did rp- share the emails I sent him last night with you?
20:47:28austriancoderdan_a: i am not sure..
20:48:21dan_aThey said what MrH had done to get sound on his Sansa
20:48:29austriancodersaratoga: i will see.. maybe
20:48:39saratogawhat did MrH do?
20:48:52saratogaaustriancoder: ok thanks
20:48:52austriancoderdan_a: okay, he told me that
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20:49:31austriancoderdan_a: but how can i conntact MrH?
20:49:35dan_asaratoga: MrH was able to get a datasheet a long time ago, but wasn't able to share what it said due to the NDA
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20:49:55dan_aaustriancoder: via Bagder
20:50:32austriancoderdan_a: okay
20:50:41*austriancoder will try it with firmware/target/arm/pcm-pp.c
20:52:11austriancoderonly 6 minutes left.. than i have no internet, until i am in the train
20:52:54preglowniec feature request
20:52:59preglowrequesting we implement codecs we already have
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20:55:28dan_aAnd some that very few people would use
20:56:55austriancoderso.. time is over.. see you
20:57:18dan_abye. Well done!
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21:03:03goldhey there
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21:04:06dan_aHi gold
21:04:45goldi have only one question
21:05:12goldi have this iriver ihp 100 series with 20 gb hdd, i dunno if its a 120 then or not, it has the text ihp-100 on it
21:06:06goldis it safe to flash it with the rockbox, or there is a chance to get it totally dead? cos i can't buy another anymore...
21:07:47preglowthe chance is always there
21:08:02preglowbut i don't know if it's actually happened to a user yet
21:08:10dan_agold: I don't know a lot about the ihp series, but I think I've heard someone say that a 100 is different to a 120 - but both support Rockbox.
21:08:24preglowif it's got 20 gigs, it's a h120
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21:08:39preglowit says ihp-100 ?
21:08:42preglowah, then it's probably something else
21:08:46preglowmine says ihp-120
21:08:47goldoh geez
21:08:48goldno damn
21:09:04goldi'm dumb, it's box, or disc or something says 100, i see its a 120
21:09:21goldblack one
21:09:36preglowthen you should be fine
21:09:39goldi just haven't took it off from its cover since...since i bought it lol
21:09:44preglowrockbox is great on the h120
21:09:51goldso normally i won't get a dead player
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21:10:09goldjust a moment to be sure
21:10:20preglowif the unit itself says ihp-120 over the display, it's ok
21:10:59goldso this:
21:11:04goldis the correct one
21:11:30goldumm these are the manuals
21:12:54goldand iriver 120/140 is the correct version
21:13:01goldfor the
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21:13:17goldanyone know any places where i can still buy one anyways
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21:18:33dan_aCan anyone tell me how to do this Makefile section correctly? - I want it to expand to one dependency for each of the input files but can't work out how to do it correctly
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21:19:33perl|workdoes this still work?
21:21:16*preglow don't do makefiles
21:21:41saratogaperl|work: is there some reason that patch was never comitted?
21:22:36perl|workprobably cause it has limitations
21:22:39perl|worklike filesize
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21:23:41dan_aHi rp-!
21:23:50dan_aIt sounds like you had a good day today
21:24:37rp-oh yeah
21:24:43rp-it was awesome
21:24:50rp-interesting and funny
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21:26:40amiconnHrmm, charcell icons are broken, probably by the root menu
21:26:50rp-we had some beer with our contact person:)
21:26:54amiconnThe AUDIO icon doesn't get disabled again
21:27:05rp-all paid by him or AMS
21:27:16preglowwoe is me
21:27:22preglowi should have been there
21:27:33dan_aDarn, why wasn't it IsleOfManMicrosystems?!
21:30:17bluebrotherpetur: do you have a highlight on beer? ;-)
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21:30:45peturheh no, I just happen to see that word pass when I glance at the irc window ;)
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21:31:02bluebrotherso it's an eyes highlight :)
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21:31:19peturit's build-in in me :D
21:31:33bluebrothercore feature :D
21:31:52saratoga3rp: I'm curious what you think of the new player AMS wants you to develop for
21:32:08rp-its a very nice piece of hardware
21:32:28rp-it was able to play mpeg4
21:32:35dan_aaustriancoder said that the development boards are 3000 euros each
21:32:40bluebrothersounds interesting
21:32:42preglowdirt cheap!
21:32:51rp-yep thats right
21:33:03dan_aI'll wait till there's a broken one on ebay, then!
21:33:53rp-players with that chip should be available this winter
21:34:08saratoga3what chip is it?
21:34:16saratoga3a DAC or a complete SOC?
21:34:26rp-complete SOC, with ARM9
21:34:43saratoga3and they're actually providing documentation for it?
21:34:57rp-and low level source driver code
21:35:00saratoga3*loses monocle*
21:35:28*petur managed to run configure on a windows share in ubuntu (virtualbox) but make fails: 'execvp: /bla/tools/ Permission denied' -> how to set permissions?
21:35:58bluebrotherpetur: chmod +x tools/
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21:36:22perl|workrp- do they have the design already, casing etc?
21:36:43rp-today we had at first some common intruduction about the company, then some common information about the AS3514 and then some details about every register and the settings
21:37:34rp-AMS has finished the chip completly, i had a delevopment model in my hand with a firmware from AMS running, that was able to run doom :)
21:37:57dan_aI wonder who they got that idea off?!
21:38:31peturbluebrother: didn't change a thing... must be related to the fact the folder is shared from windows... mount option wrong?
21:38:54*petur is completely new to linux
21:38:55rp-austriancoder got a complete development board of the AS3514, with i2c,i2s interface and a software that shows every register value
21:39:14bluebrothermaybe it can't set the x flag on windows drives?
21:39:54bluebrotheryou could try adding a "bash" in front of the call to
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21:42:30peturbluebrother: worked... now I need to upgrade svn client...
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21:46:39peturbleh... did apt-get install subversion, it says latest version is installed. but says client is too old. doesn't like tortoisesvn it seems. So much for standards :(
21:47:07bluebrotherI guess tortoise is too new ;-)
21:47:31bluebrotherI recently had a similar issue: subclipse stopped working after I used tortoise svn.
21:47:47bluebrotherthey changed some things about how the svn data is stored.
21:48:23*petur scraps idea of using ubuntu-in-a-box as buildmachine
21:48:23bluebrotherbut IIRC that was part of the last major release, i.e. from 1.3 to 1.4
21:48:54peturi have 1.4.3 so that will be it :(
21:49:59amiconnUsing a *nix build machine running on top of a windows share doesn't help build speed anyway
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21:50:25bluebrotherseems there aren't much nice wps for the mini around :(
21:50:27peturamiconn: it should be faster than cygwin, no?
21:50:49amiconnIt will be times faster if you build on a *nix filesystem
21:51:13amiconnThe cygwin build slowness is not due to cygwin itself, but due to the windows filesystem layer
21:51:32XavierGryes I tried it too
21:52:03XavierGrtrying to compile rockbox from linux on VMware on a windows shared filesystem was slower than cygwin
21:52:04amiconnI also tried microsoft sfu, which suffers from the very same problem
21:52:42amiconnsfu is a bit faster than cygwin, but not much
21:53:03XavierGrpetur: I suggest to try the linux vmware image and just have all the developing source on vmware, you will just have to have vmware running to open the sorce
21:53:06XavierGrsource too
21:53:16amiconnMight just have been due to my testing environment
21:53:30peturI have a fully working ubuntu image in virtualbox
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21:53:48XavierGrah okay then
21:54:02euz_does anyone here use cue sheet support?
21:54:16XavierGrask amiconn :P
21:54:21XavierGr(kidding of course)
21:54:35perl|workeuz_ i do
21:55:03euz_could you compile an iriver iHP-120 package for me? :)
21:55:27amiconncue support is in svn...
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21:55:43euz_it was merged?
21:55:43XavierGrpetur I tried to overcome the no-vmware-running=no-files problem mounting the virtual vmware disk on windows, but then you can't run vmware when the virtual disk is mounted
21:56:03perl|workeuz_ almost a month ago
21:56:50bluebrotherI haven't tried it, but can't you access partitions directly? I.e. create a ext3 partition and access it from both systems
21:56:52euz_interesting, does the packages on the page have it?
21:57:09euz_or I have to svn and compile?
21:57:14XavierGrbluebrother: that actually sounds like an interesting idea
21:57:55euz_use samba
21:57:59amiconnbluebrother: Accessing a filesystem from more than one OS simultaneously is asking for serious trouble....
21:57:59bluebrotherI quite frequently access my ext3 partitions from windows.
21:58:04XavierGrI might try this someday. Windows can have quite nice ext3 support
21:58:33amiconn...even if only one OS actually writes to the partition
21:58:36XavierGramiconn: but isn't it the same with samba?
21:58:37bluebrotheramiconn: right, but I don't know how vmware handles the accesses
21:58:47amiconnXavierGr: No it's not
21:58:53euz_wether using windows inside linux or linux inside windows, it is better to use samba
21:59:32euz_there's a huge difference
21:59:44amiconnXavierGr: When sharing a folder with samba, only one OS is accessing the actual filesystem
21:59:49XavierGrok I will not argue on that, I can't say I know much on this subject
22:00:13XavierGrah yes, seems logical that way
22:00:13euz_in samba, there's only one system writting to the file system's information track
22:00:28amiconnThe other(s) is/are accessing it via the network *through* the one OS that accesses the actual filesystem
22:00:45XavierGrstill I think that bluebrother's idea will be neat if it can be done successfully
22:00:50preglowman, i wish i never tried to open my nano
22:00:56preglowthe clickwheel gets stuck sometimes :/
22:01:12bluebrothersomeone needs to check if vmware handles that in a way that it doesn't scream for trouble
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22:01:25amiconnbluebrother: It can't
22:01:36XavierGrbleuborther: I will try it maybe tomorrow
22:01:55XavierGrthe worst thing that can happen is destoying the test ext3 partition
22:02:04amiconnThe only way it would work reliably would be if *both* sides *never* cache filesystem structures
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22:02:23bluebrotherhmm. Right, forgot about OS caching.
22:02:37amiconnBut filesystem drivers practically always cache structures, otherwise performance would suck big time
22:02:54*bluebrother remembers to have "nice" effects by caching when writing a FAT16 driver some while ago
22:03:01euz_preglow, that's the price you pay to hack hardware, you save money here and there, and then lose it some stupid mistake
22:04:07euz_like hotpluging SATA hardware, and connecting SATA power cable to to another drive's IDE
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22:05:55preglowhaven't lost it yet, though
22:06:06preglowit works fine, sometimes it just isn't very friendly
22:08:01euz_I lost a 200gig HDD in that mistake
22:08:24euz_I could have sent it for RMA, but I'll keep it to retrieve data
22:10:11euz_there's a british site that sells old HDDs and a malasian site that sells HDD logic boards
22:10:34euz_the malasian site seems dead as disco, but I'm hopeful
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22:10:54gold:S i'm afraid
22:11:32preglowof what?
22:11:51jhMikeSWhat happened to the Vorbis codec? It's boosting like 80-90% on my H120 and every other format is ok. It used to boost only 19%.
22:12:48preglowit hasn't been touched for ages, afaik
22:12:50euz_the hdd on my H120 belly up, ever heard of anyone writing a CF to it instead of a hdd?
22:13:10preglowjhMikeS: bitrate?
22:13:21jhMikeSsame files different boost
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22:14:09preglowjhMikeS: seems to behave nicely here, h120
22:14:11amiconnjhMikeS: Did you try to revert your priority stuff?
22:14:11jhMikeSDoom spc is only boosting 73% as usual ... I'm freaking out a bit
22:14:35preglowr12673, apparently
22:14:54jhMikeSIt should have no effect whatsoever on this
22:15:27euz_what's booting? cpu usage? audio technical term?
22:16:03euz_memory usage?
22:16:13preglowbooting is (re)starting something
22:16:54preglowjhMikeS: new build now, nothing seems to have changed
22:17:13*amiconn things there's a typo involved
22:17:20amiconnHehe, *thinks
22:17:20euz_a program is much like a governmental apparatus, the greater, the more inefectual
22:17:52jhMikeSpreglow: you're running vorbis on a new build and it's ok for you?
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22:18:23preglowjhMikeS: aye
22:18:38preglowonly updatede the rockbox.iriver file, though, but that's all that's changed anyway
22:18:40jhMikeSMy build isn't pure...was messing with the init sequence
22:19:28euz_how long do you have your H120 jhMikeS?
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22:19:35webguest26hi all
22:19:35jhMikeSBut it just doesn't really make sense. I'm just panicing cause I'm so tired I can sleep :P
22:19:36Lloreaneuz_: In the context of Rockbox, the core on most devices is run at one of two speeds, referred to as unboosted and boosted, so 'boosting' refers to moving to the boosted speed, and 'boost ratio' is how much time spent at that speed.
22:19:55jhMikeSeuz_: Maybe 4 or 5 months I think
22:19:59deadheadhi guys, i'm experiencing a strange behaviour on my ipod mini 2g: all the build after 3.III.07 hang on boot: boot up, show splash, turn light on and stop. I have to hard reboot ipod [menu+center]
22:20:06webguest26anyone know how to replace the hdd in a ihp 140 ?
22:20:26peturwebguest26: check MR
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22:20:49Lloreanwebguest26: Basically 'Take the old one out, put the new one in, make sure it's properly formatted'
22:21:12Lloreandeadhead: Is that III also supposed to be a 3?
22:21:19deadheadthe latest version workin' on my ipod is r12579
22:21:30*jhMikeS is so tired he can't type "can't sleep"
22:21:42euz_cpu usage, overclocking, etc..., I see
22:21:53deadheadLlorean, last good date was build 4 march 07
22:21:55jhMikeSbut somehow manage to the last time
22:22:10Lloreaneuz_: Not overclocking.
22:22:22Lloreaneuz_: Unboosted is usually severely under the maximum 'safe' speed of the core
22:22:23jhMikeSI prefer underclocking
22:22:26webguest26hmm, how do i properly format it ?
22:22:29euz_webguest26; just buy the right one, and replace it
22:22:48Lloreaneuz_: For example, the H120's core goes up to 140mhz according to specs. Boosted is 120, unboosted is... shoot, I forgot what unboosted is.
22:22:50webguest26i dropped the player, the hdd was dead, ata100 error
22:23:08webguest26i bought a new toshiba ga... the 60 gb one
22:23:13jhMikeSBase crytal freqency is 11.2896
22:23:18euz_zif or ata?
22:23:25euz_the new hdd connector
22:23:31webguest26the ata one, its already in the player
22:23:45euz_it's not working?
22:23:53webguest26now i started it up, it says usb bootloader, but is not recognized by the computer
22:24:07webguest26strangely i cant switch the darned thing off any more
22:24:17peturwebguest26: you need to partition and format it first
22:24:23peturuse swissknife
22:24:32webguest26thought so... and for that i need an adapter right ?
22:24:34euz_yes, boot the iriver firmware, and format it
22:24:35amiconnThe device is most probably detected by your pc
22:24:49amiconnYou can partition & format in bootloader usb mode
22:25:00deadheadLlorean, if I can provide you more usefull information or if there's already some bugs open about it, just let me know. I want to help you to solve the problem ;)
22:25:01euz_hold stop to turn it off
22:25:06amiconnIt's just that the rockbox bootloader hangs if it doesn't find a readable partition
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22:25:08jhMikeSI'd better just break down and test a cvs build and stop freaking :p
22:25:24amiconnTo turn it off, use the reset button. Stop won't work
22:25:29euz_and hold stop and press play to turn it on with the iriver firmware, I think
22:25:41Lloreandeadhead: Are you using the most up to date bootloader?
22:25:49euz_thanks Llorean
22:25:57amiconnI would just turn it off with reset, then plug in usb and turn it on, then partition & format from the pc
22:26:16amiconnLlorean: Even the latest h1x0 bootloader has this problem
22:26:30amiconnI've been through this last week with my new 80GB disk
22:26:35webguest26ah reset helped, it booted the iriver firmware
22:26:35peturwebguest26: get this tool:
22:26:36Lloreanamiconn: Deadhead is the person with the iPod Mini that's freezing at boot.
22:26:46webguest26now it says connected and is detected by the pc :)
22:27:02webguest26so now i just format it as fat32 ?
22:27:19deadheadLlorean, i guess no, I'm using rockbox since october 2006 and from that time I've never updated bootloader
22:27:20*amiconn chose a probably somewhat esoteric method to create the 80GB fat32 partition
22:27:22peturit's probably formatted by now
22:27:55muesli__amiconn how do you do that`? by chanting?
22:27:59goldi'm afraid of putting rockbox onto my player :S
22:28:14amiconnI connected the H1x0 to my host via USB, then defined it as a "raw disk" for a VMware Win98 VM
22:28:19goldanyone has the ihp120 too?
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22:28:26goldand having rockbox on it?
22:28:26amiconnThen booted this Win98 VM and used fdisk+format
22:28:27Lloreandeadhead: You're very out of date then.
22:28:47euz_just do it gold
22:28:50euz_read first
22:28:53peturamiconn: I used swissknife, it was all over in 10 seconds :)
22:28:55muesli__amiconn you're geek ;)
22:28:55Lloreandeadhead: Follow the newest ipod installation instructions for the bootloader, in the PDF manual. Just redo the Bootloader install bit, you shouldn't have to undo anything else first.
22:28:58goldi've already read
22:29:22amiconnI know that there are numerous methods. Being german, I could also have used h2format
22:29:30goldjust another question
22:29:31deadheadLlorean, is it a problem if I haven't anymore my original apple firmware ?
22:29:48golddo i have to clear my hdd, or this will leave the mp3-s alone
22:29:50Lloreandeadhead: No, it shouldn't be.
22:30:07deadheadok, I'll update and let you know
22:30:08Lloreangold: It doesn't require any reformatting.
22:30:13euz_you know, the philosophy of the day involves doing, doing for the sake of doing, doing because you can do it, doing, because it's absurd, etc...
22:30:14goldok thanks
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22:31:12webguest26ok, the device is recognized by my linux box, i got it open in fdisk
22:31:20deadheadLlorean, BTW greetings for the excellent documentation: I've read all to prepare a speech for rockbox project during LinuxDay06
22:31:26euz_use cfdisk
22:31:43euz_easier, faster
22:32:20euz_mkfs.msdos -F 32 /dev/sda1
22:32:43webguest26ok, i am in cfdisk, created the partition, do I need to set a type ?
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22:33:36bluebrothermkfs.vfat -F 32 ;-)
22:33:50bluebrothersure? Linux fdisk sets the partition type to 0x83 as default
22:34:05euz_:), my slackware that's that command
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22:34:47euz_it only writes the value to begning of partition, for use auto format
22:35:01euz_but in the end, no one complains
22:35:52bluebrotherhmm. Is there a way to leave the apple disk mode other than resetting?
22:36:07amiconnI don't know of any
22:36:31webguest26ok, formatted fine, now copying my backup to the player.... 33gb....
22:36:37amiconnEmergency disk mode reboots automatically, but Select+Play diskmode doesn't
22:36:41webguest26so cool if that works it would be 40=>60gb
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22:36:57webguest26i just soo hope i only broke the hdd
22:37:20jhMikeSpreglow: what's your vorbis bitrates...mine are about 224
22:37:38preglowthis one was 130kbps, but i would have noticed the increase you were talking about
22:37:40goldi did it! it works! lol :D:D
22:37:48preglowwoot, so does my downsampler
22:37:51preglowtime to benchmark
22:38:03goldoh, sorry for interrupting, i'm just another happy user of rockbox on ihp120
22:38:03jhMikeSok, settings reset for me...this is just odd
22:38:19goldsee ya all
22:38:21webguest26thanks from me too
22:42:23*amiconn just found a (rather esoteric) database bug
22:42:55amiconnIf there is no single audio file on the device, you can initialise the database as many times as you want, it will still be uninitialised
22:43:43jhMikeSthis is's only vorbis. I'm running mp3 with every dsp thing enable and theres 0% boost
22:44:40Lloreanamiconn: For some reason my database reports as 'initialized' in the debug menu, but not ready (and empty). Where is the initialized flag stored?
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22:45:42pixelmanls: got a question about the langV2 patch... I've found some things that I'd like to change but my problem is that some of them needs more changes in the code. It's easy to edit the lang file - the rest is over my head I'm afraid...
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22:46:02Lloreanamiconn: Did you seem y question a moment ago?
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22:46:32amiconnLlorean: Yes, thanks to the log. But I don't know the answer
22:46:46jhMikeSpreglow: 0 boost on all audio files, the usual for spc
22:47:01pixelmanls: should I post a comment in the tracker only or what do you think?
22:47:07jhMikeSpreglow: try replacing the vorbis codec and check it
22:47:13Lloreanamiconn: I had removed all the database files, as far as I was aware, and it still showed initialized in the debug.
22:47:20LloreanEven after a reboot
22:47:36amiconnMaybe this just means the database thread is initialised
22:48:09amiconnWith 'initialised' in my bug description I mean it's not usable, and a recent build asks to initialise it every time
22:48:36euz_webguest26: in cfdisk, it is say it was 60 gigs?
22:48:49euz_did it say^^
22:49:06euz_maybe it's just a software quirk
22:49:33euz_trying putting more than 33gb of data on it
22:49:39webguest26>/dev/sdb1 56G 8,8G 48G 16% /media/sdb1
22:49:53webguest26well, its a 60gb hdd
22:50:28webguest26yep, my good old ihp 140 is a brand new spanking ihp 160 now :)
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22:50:30euz_I was thinking something else, never mind
22:50:42euz_how much for the 60 gig hdd?
22:51:49euz_I'm thinking about writing a CF card to my H120
22:51:49webguest26$148.00 USD + 24 € customs
22:52:01euz_16gig CF
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22:53:01webguest26yep, i would have appreciated shock-resistancy ....
22:53:16SimonSelkiI'm sorry to ask this again, but I've had to abruptly leave before I get a solid response on the question
22:53:30euz_I had player for some 3 years now, I don't know, I'm in Brazil so that complicates things a bit
22:53:31webguest26i dropped it from 2m height onto a tiled floor
22:53:38SimonSelkiI'm trying to figure out how to record with my iPod nano using rockbox
22:53:48SimonSelkido I use the headphone jack?
22:53:51webguest26it worked for another 2 months, but it was making verrry weird noises
22:54:09euz_does ipod nano have input jack or microfone?
22:54:10webguest26the i dropped it from 30cm height and it finally died :(
22:54:26LloreanSimonSelki: You need an adapter for the dock connector
22:54:28euz_I drop mine some 3 times, I believe
22:54:44webguest26now its getting a brand new hard disk
22:54:51LloreanSimonSelki: And nobody has confirmed yet that the line in works on it, I believe.
22:55:01webguest26its heart-wretching when you hear it smack on the floor.....
22:55:08Kasperleand aren't there also issues with recording on the ipod?
22:55:14euz_yep, you feel the adrenaline
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22:55:22Kasperlelike, you need to reboot after recording, for playback to work again?
22:55:24euz_it's a very good player
22:55:30LloreanKasperle: Yes, it's in its early stages.
22:55:40webguest26it is indeed, wouldnt want to part with it
22:55:47webguest26missed it a lot the last 2 weeks
22:56:35euz_the hdd on mine is a busted, I only have 2 gigs or so of space
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22:57:14webguest26bugger, get a new disk !
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22:57:56SimonSelkiMan, that is not what I was thinking, or at least hoping the recording would be like
22:58:19LloreanSimonSelki: What do you mean?
22:58:35webguest86Hi. I'm trying to create the manual for the H10 20gb within cygwin. I followed the instructions on the website and installed every mentioned package.
22:58:58webguest86But I always get an error that the file utf8x.def is missing
22:59:03SimonSelkiWhat I had tried to do yesterday was connect a mic to a soundboard and then run it to my iPod through the headphone jack
22:59:08webguest26122 USD, thats a bargain !
22:59:11euz_but I'm in Brazil, it's a bitch to import stuff
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22:59:24webguest26why ?
22:59:33euz_60% taxes
22:59:33LloreanSimonSelki: That doesn't work on the Nano.
22:59:36LloreanSimonSelki: There's no hardware for it.
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23:00:14euz_I'm thinking about waiting for the price on the CF cards to drop
23:00:22SimonSelkiah, that's tragic
23:00:31webguest26do they make them with ata100 connectors ?
23:00:40euz_it's a H120, the biggest HDD I can have is 30gigs
23:00:42Kasperleeuz_: it already dropped a great deal
23:01:00*petur got lucky, his 80gig disk passed customs without them noticing :)
23:01:01euz_nope, but I have a soldering iron :)
23:01:08LloreanSimonSelki: Well, you did buy a player with no advertised recording capabilities whatsoever. You really shouldn't be disappointed to find out that it might be able to after all, if you buy/make a proper adapter.
23:01:24euz_but 16gig CF are quite expensive
23:01:46euz_what's cheap is SDHC cards, 8gigs for 60 dollars
23:01:46webguest26but it would be nice shock resistant
23:02:08euz_too bad you can't wire those
23:02:15Kasperleeuz_: oh :D didn't know you were aiming that high ;)
23:02:15webguest26alas I have to go, need to study...
23:02:16SimonSelkiSo, recording is out of the question for me then... Also, something else that I had tried to do via the headphone jack was transfer a song from one DAP to my iPod with an audio cable
23:02:27SimonSelkiYou're right, I had just gotten my hopes up
23:02:34pixelmawebguest86: I think you're missing the unicode package...
23:02:50pixelmaerr... no there's no package
23:02:54webguest26will be back when the copying is done
23:03:11webguest86pixelma: so what can I do now?
23:03:14euz_I'm was also thinking about writing the H120 to a normal HDD, and buy a new one as personal
23:03:29euz_H120 could make a nice home player
23:03:38LloreanSimonSelki: It's not out of the question. You just need to get the adapter.
23:03:43pixelmawebguest86: you need to install these manually... do you follow the ManualHowto?
23:03:59euz_does it have a 132gb limitation?
23:04:15Lloreaneuz_: They don't make drives of the appropriate size larger than 80gb yet.
23:04:59SimonSelkiawesome, I'll keep the programers in my prayers, and hope to be helping the fund soon too. You guys saved my ipod
23:05:06euz_I was thining normal ones
23:05:28euz_power souce for drive, ground player with power source
23:06:10LloreanSimonSelki: Just as a note, nobody has confirmed the Nano can record yet. It's _thought_ that it should be able to via the line in, but we haven't had anyone test it yet.
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23:06:49jhMikeSpreglow, anyone: do me a quick favor with a shiny new vorbis codec and see if it starts boosting too much. Suppose I'll investigate some more after some rest.
23:06:50webguest86pixelma: thanks for the tip :)
23:07:22pixelmawebguest86: found it?
23:08:05amiconneuz_: Rockbox can be compiled to support hdds above the 128GB barrier.
23:08:21euz_cue support, so nice :)
23:08:30amiconnAs for the usb bridge, according to the datasheet it should also support lba48
23:09:00pixelmawebguest86: nice :)
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23:13:34bluebrotherhmm. Is no-usb-on-menu known to be broken? Doesn't seem to work for me :(
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23:14:39pixelmawhat do you mean?
23:14:57LloreanHolding the menu button to not enter USB mode.
23:15:03bluebrotherthe FAQ says I can insert the usb cable while holding down menu to prevent entering usb mode
23:15:09pixelmaah... Ipod issue...
23:15:17bluebrotherwhich doesn't work for me.
23:15:36LloreanIt still works on my Gigabeat, so it's possible that it's an issue with the USB detection stuff on the iPod maybe?
23:15:47LloreanI haven't tried it on my Nano in a while, not since the charger detection had just been added.
23:15:53w1ll14mI have the same problem ;)
23:15:55euz_how does the cue support work?
23:15:58w1ll14m5g 60gb
23:16:07euz_you just open cue then open track?
23:16:22euz_does cue+flac work?
23:16:32bluebrotherLlorean: thought about that too, so I asked ;-)
23:16:39preglowjhMikeS: highest bitrate file i can find is 180kbps and boosts around 22%
23:16:46Lloreanbluebrother: I do remember hearing a few people having problems with it, so I think it can be considered a problem.
23:17:04bluebrotherok, good to know.
23:17:46LloreanI seem to recall some people reporting that when holding menu down and plugging in, it would wait a few seconds and then enter USB mode, as if it only worked so long as you were still holding Menu down
23:18:47euz_need to enable it first...
23:20:21euz_does anyone here ever had a etymotic or shure earphone?
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23:24:59euz_I don't have any originals CDs I would dignify myself to listen
23:25:39euz_I'm trying lossless audio with H120 and etymotic
23:26:35euz_it's pretty good, but not 8 times the price of a sony earphone
23:27:30Jonnex2how can i go about playing super mario on my ipod?
23:27:40Jonnex2just saw a video of it, looks super sweet!
23:27:50euz_do you have the rom?
23:27:58Jonnex2got licked to, once id installed that what would i then need to do?
23:28:05Jonnex2oops, linked*
23:28:34LloreanJonnex2: Simply click on a gameboy rom to play it.
23:29:16Jonnex2really? what once rockbox is installed on the ipod?
23:29:34Jonnex2stick the rom on the ipod too and away i go?
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23:29:45LloreanThat's what I said, yes.
23:29:49Jonnex2so rockbox has a gameboy emulator built in
23:30:01Jonnex2super cool. how quick to they play?
23:30:07euz_gameboy color?
23:30:11euz_or advance?
23:30:21Jonnex2only color. unless advance games work?
23:30:35LloreanColor and classic. No advance.
23:30:41preglowdoesn't look like the resampler gained me too much :/
23:30:52Jonnex2cool. are there any guides to getting that set up on mi ipod?
23:30:54euz_do you know where to get roms Jonnex2?
23:30:55juxtapmario? for real? man i never knew...
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23:31:18Jonnex2should be some torrents with roms kicking about
23:31:20LloreanJonnex2: There's a full PDF manual.
23:31:26Jonnex2unless you have an easier way.?
23:31:31LloreanAnd please don't talk about pirating ROMs in here.
23:31:35LloreanWe actually respect copyright around here.
23:31:41Jonnex2hey me oto
23:31:45desowindump it from your cartridge ;-)
23:31:49Jonnex2i buy all games i play
23:31:53euz_I respect that you respect it
23:31:56Jonnex2stuff like this is just for fun!
23:32:22Jonnex2one more thing, when you install rockbox, do you choose whether to boot to rockbox or the default ipod firmware on bootup?
23:32:38euz_not really
23:32:42LloreanRockbox boots by default, but you can turn on the Hold switch to boot the original firmware.
23:32:46K3ntohey guys im having a prob with rockbox. i have installed the proper theme and font, but the WPS doesnt have any text on it.
23:33:08Jonnex2what do you mean turn on the hold switch?
23:33:13LloreanThe hold switch.
23:33:20Jonnex2put it on hold you mean?
23:33:25K3ntothe only hold switch on the player
23:33:48euz_put it on hold, and press "on"
23:33:55Jonnex2but if you put it on hold before your pressed a button, it wouldnt do anything?
23:34:00Jonnex2as its on hold
23:34:04LloreanNo, press Menu to turn it on, then immediately flip the switch.
23:34:09bluebrotherso, to update the AppleOS on my ipod, can I simply dd the firmware file to the first partition?
23:34:20Lloreaneuz_: Please, don't give directions if you don't know how it works. You can't turn on the iPod while hold is already on.
23:34:51Jonnex2cool cheers llorean
23:34:52Lloreanbluebrother: It'd overwrite the Rockbox bootloader, but I believe it's possible.
23:34:55euz_sorry, I don't have a ipod
23:34:57K3ntolol there is no "on" button
23:34:58Jonnex2so there's no way to set it up so you get the choice every time it turns on
23:35:02K3ntooh ok
23:35:16LloreanJonnex2: You can if you use an alternate bootloader, the iPodLinux Loader 2.
23:35:25LloreanJonnex2: You'd have to follow their instructions for installing it.
23:35:32bluebrotherthe funny thing is that the first partition is something about 40MiB while the firmware file is more like 4 ...
23:35:37bluebrotherwhich puzzles me a bit.
23:35:51Lloreanbluebrother: The first partition also is where the iPod hibernates its RAM to when it sleeps.
23:35:52Jonnex2one min brb
23:36:14K3ntohey does anybody know the answer to my problem?
23:36:19euz_the xbox has 6 partitions
23:36:32euz_they think it's cute when it's proprietary
23:36:34LloreanK3nto: What _does_ your WPS show then, if there's no text at all.
23:36:57bluebrotherah, that explains it.
23:37:05K3ntojust the volume knob, and the progress bar
23:37:10LloreanK3nto: No backdrop image?
23:37:18K3ntoyea the image is there
23:37:21K3ntobut no text
23:37:26LloreanThen that's not "nothing"
23:37:53LloreanHave you tried loading the WPS manually instead of just loading the whole theme?
23:38:03K3ntook, well nothing in terms of text. i have a backdrop and a WMP11-ish theme (i plan on changing)
23:38:13K3ntook how do i do that
23:38:44euz_which of the player supported by rockbox has highest sound to noise ratio?
23:38:44LloreanThere's a "Browse WPS files" option in the menus, I can't remember exactly where though.
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23:40:19euz_settings > general settings > display
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23:40:56euz_does the ipod play NES?
23:41:43K3ntoyep no text still
23:42:10euz_reboot it
23:42:28Lloreaneuz_: Rebooting it isn't likely to fix his problem.
23:42:50LloreanK3nto: If you open up the .wps file in a text editor on your PC, does it have a lot of stuff in it?
23:42:53euz_perhaps, but it's better to reboot before trying again
23:43:19Lloreaneuz_: Why is it better to reboot?
23:43:35K3ntoLlorean: stuff?
23:43:55LloreanK3nto: Well, if it's blank that would explain exactly why you're getting no text.
23:44:04LloreanK3nto: If it's not blank, then I'd ask further questions.
23:44:09webguest26hi ! just wanted to say my ihp140 is now a new ihp160, all works fine, thanks all devs and the friendly people in this channel who help out the newbies :)
23:44:35euz_now that's a interesting question Llorean, but experence proved otherwise
23:44:36K3ntoyeah theres a bunch of stuff. im putting it on pastebin
23:44:49webguest26bye then
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23:45:21Jonnex2sorry, had to speak to someone
23:45:24LloreanK3nto: So, every other lne is blank?
23:45:46Lloreaneuz_: Experience with Rockbox specifically?
23:45:59Jonnex2so llorean, when you say id have to use an alternate bootloader, like ipodlinux, by that do you mean i wouldnt be installing rockbox at all, or is a bootloader something different to the new firmware its self?
23:46:11Lloreaneuz_: So, then, how is that experience in any way valid for this situation, exactly?
23:46:13K3ntoLlorean: no, thats just pastebin
23:46:22pixelmaLlorean: it counts from the %wd line on...
23:46:23LloreanK3nto: Pastebin doesn't automatically add extra lines.
23:46:33K3ntook hold on
23:46:37Lloreanpixelma: What?
23:46:52Lloreanpixelma: That statement kinda confused me.
23:47:07LloreanJonnex2: The bootloader is a small program that loads the new firmware.
23:47:17pixelmain this wps-file there is the %wd almost at the beginning
23:47:22euz_specific experience would render most experience useless, wouldn't you say?
23:47:38cf-dankysry wrong channel
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23:48:00K3ntoLlorean: it must be. in the box where you paste it there are no spaces (as in the actual document) but the pasted version has spaces
23:48:01Lloreanpixelma: Yes but I'm not catching the significance of the early %wd. I'm not that familiar with WPSes.
23:48:23JonnexLlorean: so there's a rockbox bootloader, and also a ipod linux bootloader?
23:48:27LloreanK3nto: The box where I can edit/correct it shows the spaces.
23:48:34pixelmaand I think all the lines with the %xd (for preloading the images) count as lines in the wps
23:48:48LloreanK3nto: And pastebin is very specific about line numbering so that a user can compare line numbers in the pastebin that someone else has read to an original file.
23:49:06LloreanK3nto: Which WPS is this, is it from the wiki?
23:49:09LloreanJonnex: Yes.
23:49:29pixelma(from the %wd to disable the statusbar on)
23:49:29K3ntoi grabbed it from the rockbox site, yeah
23:49:38euz_rockbox is based on linux, and most bootloader extend support to odd balls and under dogs
23:49:40Jonnexand you can use the ipod linux bootloader to load rockbox on your ipod, and then you get the choice of whether to boot to apple firmware or rockbox?
23:49:44LloreanK3nto: "Which WPS is this?" still needs to be answered.
23:49:52Lloreaneuz_: Rockbox is NOT based on Linux
23:50:23euz_doesn't it use ffmpeg and such?
23:50:27LloreanJonnex: The bootloader isn't how you load Rockbox on your iPod. It's what loads it from the disk each time you boot. Boot, loader. :) But yeah, the Ipodlinux one can load Rockbox.
23:50:48Lloreaneuz_: Some of the codecs have come from ffmpeg codecs in the past, but that's somewhat unrelated to being 'based on linux'
23:50:49bluebrotherRockbox borrows a couple of code from IPL for the hardware stuff.
23:51:01Jonnexahhh i think i get it! bit slow on the up-take here
23:51:04Lloreaneuz_: If that were the case, ffmpeg implementations in windows are 'based on Linux' and so therefor windows is 'based on Linux'
23:51:05bluebrotherffmpeg != linux
23:51:11Jonnexho ho. right, so i think i'll get that ipodlinux bootloader
23:51:24Jonnexoh, is it easy to uninstall all this stuff, should i want to?
23:51:48LloreanJonnex: It's very easy to install Rockbox on an iPod, though I wouldn't recommend doing it if your only interest is for the gameboy games.
23:51:51pixelmaK3nto: do you use a custom build (not SVN)?
23:52:01euz_but it's much easier to port ffmpeg to something linux like then windows like
23:52:15LloreanJonnex: As for the iPodLinux loader, it _should_ be easy to install since they could use the same method we do, but I don't know for certain.
23:52:35K3ntopixelma: SVN is...? and also, custom build of what
23:52:37euz_I acknowledge my mistake
23:52:37bluebrotherweren't there problems with the IPL loader since the COP stuff came in?
23:52:50bluebrotherK3nto: subversion. It's the version control system we use
23:52:54Lloreanbluebrother: The most recent versions of the IPL loader _should_ support COP fine.
23:53:02Lloreanbluebrother: Though they might not be available.
23:53:05bluebrotherLlorean: :)
23:53:13pixelmaK3nto: I mean an official build from or something else
23:53:15LloreanK3nto: Pixelma means "Did you download it from the 'current build' page, or from somewhere else?"
23:53:16Jonnexok. why would you not recommend doing it only for gameboy games? is it likely i'll break my ipod or something?
23:53:26LloreanJonnex: No, it really can't break your iPod.
23:53:28K3ntopixelma: everything i used for rockbox i got from the rockbox site
23:53:31bluebrotherK3nto: there are official builds, and some people distribute customized builds
23:53:54bluebrother"from the rockbox site" means also not from the "unsupported builds" forums?
23:54:05pixelmaK3nto: this wps doesn't work with the official version
23:54:06LloreanJonnex: But it's not intended as a game playing software. It has a lot more to it, and if you just want to play gameboy games, the best solution is a $5 gameboy from a second hand store, it'll last much longer on batteries, and both look and sound and play better.
23:54:09K3ntoeverything was stable
23:54:13bluebrotherBlackGlass needs some patches, i.e. an unsupported build to work correctly
23:54:23K3ntoah ic
23:54:28preglowwell, that was depressing
23:54:32K3ntoi didnt really like it anyway. ill grab another
23:54:34Jonnexhehe sure, but it'd be fun to see mario hopping around on my ipod
23:54:36bluebrotherso you either need to use a different wps or an unsupported build
23:54:37preglowlooks like asm downsampling doesn't have anything to say on ipods
23:54:48LloreanJonnex: Well, there's no compelling reason not to try it, really.
23:56:11Jonnexand if i can uninstall it, i'll be able to go back to simple ipod life after
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