| 00:01:08 | euz_ | Llorean, what does it mean when they say CF IDE SATA Ethernet, SD, usb, etc... have the same standard? |
| 00:01:43 | euz_ | same standard in relation to controller? |
| 00:02:40 | Llorean | I have no idea. I don't even know where you're getting this from. |
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| 00:06:24 | gursikh | OMG I LOVE ROCKBOX! |
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| 00:06:28 | euz_ | I have no idea where I saw it, but I remember I thought it was weird |
| 00:07:24 | Llorean | It could just be gibberish. |
| 00:07:24 | deadhead | Llorean, great news: new bootloader, latest build: everything is ok! The new bootloader installer really ROX. Kudos to chapman and all the rockbox team!!! |
| 00:07:31 | euz_ | in the sense that hardware controllers follow a single standard |
| 00:09:47 | bluebrother | euz_: I guess it simply was a list of supported connections by one chip / board |
| 00:10:07 | muesli__ | new bootloader for what target? |
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| 00:10:55 | deadhead | muesli__, ipod mini 2gen |
| 00:10:56 | Llorean | muesli__: The iPods |
| 00:10:56 | euz_ | perhaps |
| 00:11:02 | muesli__ | ah ok |
| 00:11:10 | muesli__ | not my cup |
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| 00:11:30 | preglow | does profiling work for arm at all? |
| 00:11:47 | deadhead | muesli__, the one I used was very old , I installed it all by my hand with dd and instructione more than 6 months ago |
| 00:12:08 | euz_ | I was wondering how hard it would be to connect SDHC to H120 |
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| 00:12:23 | muesli__ | wasnt the mini 2gen somehow encrypted? |
| 00:12:31 | Llorean | muesli__: Nano 2nd gen. |
| 00:12:35 | muesli__ | ah ok |
| 00:12:51 | muesli__ | i guess no solution was found so far? |
| 00:13:07 | Llorean | Nope |
| 00:13:13 | euz_ | if you swapped the IDE controller for example, would he rest be mostely software related, etc... |
| 00:13:13 | Llorean | Nobody's even working on it here, as far as I know |
| 00:13:34 | deadhead | thank you guys for your help and your time ;) night |
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| 00:14:16 | muesli__ | i guess no good news since the upcoming ipods will feature the same |
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| 00:14:56 | euz_ | so much wasted time, money and cpu cicles with all these protections |
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| 00:16:00 | euz_ | with all the ipod logos on the case, how much money could they lose if you didn't see one on the screen? |
| 00:17:17 | euz_ | look at what microsoft did with xbox360, bleeding kernel encrypted inside proprietary IBM CPU |
| 00:17:53 | euz_ | I'm sure research will be used to screw more people later on, but it's absurd |
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| 00:21:15 | Jonnex | where can i download the rockbox gameboy plugin? |
| 00:21:22 | decayedcell__ | its built into Rockbox |
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| 00:22:44 | Jonnex | would i have to put the gb rom in a special folder? |
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| 00:23:15 | linuxstb | no |
| 00:23:26 | petur | Jonnex: just play it like a music file |
| 00:23:27 | euz_ | for organizational purposes only :) |
| 00:23:41 | Jonnex | sweetness :D |
| 00:24:22 | euz_ | would be if nintendo didn't held back on their consoles so much |
| 00:25:03 | euz_ | no NES emulator? |
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| 00:25:34 | euz_ | jonnex. drop by www.ign.com for a list with the best games for the system |
| 00:25:43 | euz_ | it's usually helpful |
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| 00:27:09 | Jonnex | yeah |
| 00:27:15 | Jonnex | does it run any GBC game? |
| 00:27:33 | euz_ | classic? |
| 00:27:37 | euz_ | gb classic? |
| 00:27:43 | linuxstb | Jonnex: Yes. |
| 00:27:50 | euz_ | you want to play tetris? :) |
| 00:28:31 | Jonnex | hehe naaah, but perhaps some zelda! |
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| 00:34:08 | euz_ | which player has the best signal to noise ratio? |
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| 00:35:21 | Llorean | euz_: I don't think anyone here knows. SNR is hardly the only important aspect of sound quality, and may not even be a relevant piece of information for portable use. |
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| 00:36:33 | euz_ | oh, which is deemed to have the best sound quality? |
| 00:36:47 | petur | H1x0 has digital in/out |
| 00:37:07 | euz_ | I thought it was relevant, H120 SNR is 90 |
| 00:37:08 | K3nto | has anybody heard of plugging an ipod into the computer and the computer saying that it did not recognize it? this was in windows. in ubuntu nothing happens. Th ipod goes into disk mode, and says ok to connect after a breif "do not disconnect" |
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| 00:37:33 | euz_ | dmesg doesn't say anything at all? |
| 00:38:33 | Llorean | euz_: Many people think it's relevant, but in many cases you're listening at volumes where it's not relevant in the slightest. |
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| 00:39:09 | euz_ | ah |
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| 00:40:28 | euz_ | volume is a question of volts or amps? |
| 00:40:44 | K3nto | alright, sweet |
| 00:40:55 | euz_ | what does dmesg say? |
| 00:40:58 | K3nto | i found a theme that works and is nice. |
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| 00:42:15 | K3nto | Llorean: rockbox is skipping to the next song out of no where. |
| 00:42:33 | K3nto | like before the current song is over |
| 00:42:57 | euz_ | heh, that for me meant disk problems |
| 00:43:13 | K3nto | yeah i think my ipod is broken anyway |
| 00:43:23 | K3nto | has anybody heard of plugging an ipod into the computer and the computer saying that it did not recognize it? this was in windows. in ubuntu nothing happens. Th ipod goes into disk mode, and says ok to connect after a breif "do not disconnect" |
| 00:43:34 | K3nto | thats happening also ^^ |
| 00:43:42 | euz_ | that's a problems that works nicely on pc for recorvering problematic disks |
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| 00:44:05 | euz_ | HDD regenerator, but I could find a way to connect mine to the pc |
| 00:44:14 | euz_ | couldn't^^ |
| 00:44:19 | euz_ | couldn't make the connector |
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| 00:44:45 | euz_ | I recovered a HDD and used it for another 6 months without any glitches |
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| 00:44:56 | K3nto | hdd regenerator eh |
| 00:45:03 | euz_ | then recovered it again, recovered data, and gave up on HDD |
| 00:46:04 | euz_ | logically there's no such things as fixing a hardware problem through software, but who knows |
| 00:46:20 | K3nto | yea |
| 00:47:02 | euz_ | today I might have say more than one exoteric thing, I'm sorry, not always like this |
| 00:47:42 | euz_ | listening to Wagner, maybe motif is sipping through language barrier |
| 00:48:37 | toffe82 | something interesting, can we put rockbox on this : http://www.chumby.com/corporate :) |
| 00:49:26 | toffe82 | "For the true geek, the electronics are "hackable," the case is removable" |
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| 00:49:45 | euz_ | hdd regenerator, if you find a way to connect the ipod's hdd to your pc, you should give it a try |
| 00:50:29 | euz_ | worked for some six months, didn't make a single of those horrible disk seeking on error noise |
| 00:50:30 | K3nto | i can connect it. i just have to restart |
| 00:50:41 | euz_ | you need to connect it to ide |
| 00:50:42 | euz_ | :) |
| 00:50:50 | K3nto | for real |
| 00:51:04 | K3nto | dam |
| 00:51:04 | euz_ | it's ipod connect proprietary? |
| 00:51:19 | K3nto | i can go into disk mode lol |
| 00:51:22 | decayedcell__ | the HDD connector is IDE |
| 00:51:31 | euz_ | damned slang, is always beyond me |
| 00:51:32 | decayedcell__ | but its like a 1.8 inch drive? |
| 00:51:37 | decayedcell__ | needs an adapter |
| 00:51:43 | scorche` | no...it is a ZIF connector |
| 00:51:49 | decayedcell__ | ah okay |
| 00:52:03 | euz_ | you can always put out the soldering iron :) |
| 00:52:52 | K3nto | man, that gets annoying. not even hearing the whole song... |
| 00:52:56 | euz_ | I remember soldering 42 wires modding a xbox |
| 00:53:24 | euz_ | makes you want to cry |
| 00:53:44 | Llorean | K3nto: Try running a scandisk on your device. |
| 00:54:03 | euz_ | I would recomend you to format the disk, but after I did that, all my space went to hades |
| 00:54:12 | K3nto | im on linux |
| 00:54:19 | K3nto | scandisk? |
| 00:54:36 | K3nto | i formatted like 2 days ago |
| 00:54:40 | euz_ | scandisk is useless |
| 00:54:43 | Llorean | fsck then. |
| 00:54:55 | Llorean | euz_: There are errors it can detect. |
| 00:55:25 | euz_ | file system errors |
| 00:55:32 | euz_ | what's the fs on ipods anyway? |
| 00:55:44 | decayedcell__ | FAT32 on the WinPod |
| 00:56:02 | Llorean | FAT32 on any iPod running Rockbox. |
| 00:56:27 | euz_ | oh well |
| 00:57:11 | euz_ | anyone ever heard about this player? http://frontierstore.stores.yahoo.net/nexblackbare.html |
| 00:58:59 | euz_ | it would be nice to have Rockbox on a DIY network based player |
| 00:59:20 | Llorean | Rockbox comes to players when people who own the player choose to port it, pretty much |
| 00:59:25 | scorche` | the port it to one and implement a network stack |
| 00:59:31 | scorche` | s/the/then |
| 00:59:34 | toffe82 | this one is better http://frontierstore.stores.yahoo.net/noname3.html |
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| 01:00:29 | euz_ | that's prolly one of those one chip does all trinkets |
| 01:00:41 | euz_ | usually horrible |
| 01:00:56 | euz_ | s1mp3 or something |
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| 01:01:30 | Joshizzle | hi everyone |
| 01:01:48 | euz_ | I saw one with organic led, pretty impressive |
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| 01:02:09 | euz_ | too bad pixels die with time, brighter the color the faster |
| 01:03:05 | euz_ | scorche, what do you mean by network stack? |
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| 01:03:30 | Joshizzle | does anyone know where I can get ipod_fw.exe? |
| 01:03:30 | toffe82 | check this one http://frontierstore.stores.yahoo.net/noname.html and what they say : " Please note this is NOT the actual iPod Nano. It is a generic MP4 Player. " |
| 01:04:03 | Llorean | Joshizzle: Rockbox doesn't require that for installation. |
| 01:04:08 | Joshizzle | yes |
| 01:04:12 | Joshizzle | but I do for the dual boot |
| 01:04:24 | Joshizzle | Rockbox doesnt not support video well |
| 01:04:29 | Joshizzle | but the iPod does |
| 01:04:37 | Llorean | Yes, but Rockbox's bootloader dual boots. |
| 01:04:43 | Joshizzle | no.... |
| 01:04:45 | Joshizzle | I dont thin kso |
| 01:04:45 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 01:04:48 | Llorean | I know it does. |
| 01:04:59 | scorche` | read the FAW |
| 01:05:03 | Joshizzle | I can just unplug my ipod from my usb |
| 01:05:03 | scorche` | FAQ even |
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| 01:05:07 | euz_ | toffe82 http://www.s1mp3.org/ |
| 01:05:11 | Joshizzle | it will reload to iPod |
| 01:05:17 | Joshizzle | i mean rockbox |
| 01:05:29 | scorche | as i said...read the FAQ |
| 01:05:38 | Llorean | Joshizzle: "I don't know how to dual boot" is not the same thing as "It's not able to dual boot" |
| 01:05:39 | Joshizzle | the FAQ on rockbox's site? |
| 01:05:39 | petur | frequently asked What? |
| 01:05:41 | Joshizzle | i am |
| 01:05:57 | Joshizzle | i cannot find the section on dual booting |
| 01:06:00 | Llorean | Joshizzle: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
| 01:06:01 | Joshizzle | i searched it |
| 01:06:10 | scorche | there is alink right in the topic... |
| 01:06:15 | Joshizzle | ill check out what you just sent me |
| 01:06:18 | Joshizzle | brb |
| 01:06:24 | euz_ | as mentioned above, turn on, and switch the hold button right afterwards :) |
| 01:07:15 | euz_ | the ipod 5th gen is only 80mhz? |
| 01:07:15 | euz_ | multiple cpus |
| 01:07:31 | Llorean | Two cores, that we run at max 75mhz. |
| 01:07:45 | Joshizzle | ohhhh |
| 01:07:47 | Joshizzle | sweet |
| 01:07:49 | Joshizzle | gotcha |
| 01:07:51 | Joshizzle | okkkaay |
| 01:07:53 | Joshizzle | well |
| 01:07:55 | Joshizzle | thank you all |
| 01:08:11 | Joshizzle | now I just got to unprotect all of my bought songs |
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| 01:08:29 | euz_ | when all else fails, read the manual :) |
| 01:08:53 | scorche | Llorean: i will never understand why people think we lie... |
| 01:09:08 | euz_ | motd wisdom is getting to me |
| 01:09:11 | scorche | euz_: wrong....you should have already read the manual before using rockbbox ;) |
| 01:09:32 | scorche | in fact, we require that you have read that before asking a question |
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| 01:09:42 | euz_ | just quoting motd |
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| 01:10:19 | euz_ | it's nice to read the manual, but not as nice as having someone else reading it for you :) |
| 01:10:46 | euz_ | we could be like those people on the end of Farenheit 451 |
| 01:11:09 | euz_ | each knows a manual, I for example I'm pretty familiar with glftpd manual |
| 01:11:35 | scorche | but this is #rockbox....where only rockbox related discussion is on topic |
| 01:12:41 | euz_ | heh, have you ever heard about that ftpd? |
| 01:12:56 | scorche | let me say that again.... |
| 01:12:58 | scorche | but this is #rockbox....where only rockbox related discussion is on topic |
| 01:13:40 | euz_ | I'm just musing, very dully indeed, but still |
| 01:15:02 | scorche | this isnt a social channel |
| 01:15:29 | scorche | so we really dont care if it is "dully" or not |
| 01:15:50 | euz_ | well, most of us wouldn't hang in a social channel for the world |
| 01:16:18 | Llorean | euz_: The point is, the channel is logged, and random musings make it harder for people to read through the log to see what's happened since they last joined the channel |
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| 01:17:25 | euz_ | the word dully actually exists :) ok, I'm really sorry |
| 01:18:53 | euz_ | did you read about that s1mp3 player? |
| 01:19:05 | Llorean | Yeah, they've been around for a little while. |
| 01:19:16 | euz_ | it's quite common I hear, 1 chip does all |
| 01:19:17 | Llorean | As far as I know they're not interested in working with Rockbox because we're GPL and they want to go BSD. |
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| 01:19:32 | euz_ | original software is hell on wheels |
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| 01:20:18 | euz_ | those insidious chinese... |
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| 01:21:30 | euz_ | it's prolly custom made, should be trick to port |
| 01:21:58 | euz_ | it's the only chip on the player other than memory and fm(optional) controller |
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| 01:23:51 | euz_ | open source needs some open hardware initiatives |
| 01:24:45 | euz_ | like XY plotting routers for making pcbs |
| 01:27:16 | euz_ | well, good night, I never acknowledge as sociable, but comparasion to such stoics as yourselves, props :) |
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| 01:27:38 | petur | phew |
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| 01:33:38 | scorche | petur: what i didnt tell him was that beer is highly on-topic with certain members of the communitity ;) |
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| 01:34:01 | petur | shhhh you'll wake up preglow |
| 01:34:06 | scorche | eek |
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| 01:36:21 | * | dan_a_ thinks he deserves a drink |
| 01:37:05 | dan_a_ | If I try to set the volume on one of the DAC channels on the Sansa... the screen goes black |
| 01:37:53 | markun | preglow: how's the new resampler going? |
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| 01:47:57 | Llorean | dan_a_: That sounds like an unusual effect. |
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| 01:49:08 | dan_a_ | Llorean: I've never written an audio driver before - perhaps it happens all the time |
| 01:49:38 | Llorean | dan_a_: I suppose that's fair. Neither have I. :) |
| 01:50:40 | preglow | markun: i'm trying to tweak a few more cycles out of it |
| 01:50:51 | preglow | but not as fast as i wish it would be |
| 01:51:07 | markun | preglow: how's the quality? |
| 01:51:15 | preglow | ah, it's not new like that |
| 01:51:21 | preglow | i'm just recoding the one we have in asm |
| 01:51:33 | preglow | like jhMikeS did for coldfire |
| 01:51:46 | * | barrywardell remembers how reading the RTC on the Sansa caused the LCD to not work. |
| 01:52:06 | Llorean | preglow: Don't the ARM targets actually support a lot more in the way of real sample rates they can output at? |
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| 01:52:17 | dan_a_ | barrywardell: Can you remember why? |
| 01:52:47 | preglow | Llorean: they do indeeed |
| 01:53:07 | barrywardell | I think it was a timing issue. I never figured out the real reason, but reading it too soon seemed to cause the problem |
| 01:53:10 | preglow | but that would mean more delving in playback.c than i'm qualified to do |
| 01:53:13 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 01:53:48 | Llorean | Well, there's also the fact that a good ARM resampler is a good thing to have anyway, there's no guarantee it'll always be true that ARM targets will have more real sample rate output options. |
| 01:53:56 | barrywardell | dan_a_: also, the lcd seems to not work some times when starting up with current svn. |
| 01:54:35 | preglow | Llorean: yeah, and there's the pitch screen which also uses it |
| 01:54:56 | preglow | Llorean: dynamically changing sample rates when possible will mean glitches you don't want when beatmatching |
| 01:55:05 | Llorean | Ah, forgot all about the pitch screen. |
| 01:55:09 | preglow | not that i actually think anyone uses rockbox for that, but i like to think i'm useful... |
| 01:55:15 | dan_a_ | barrywardell: I've noticed that (it gets an odd, organic pattern as it fades out, or it's plain white.) Unfortunately it's not often enough for me to be able to try to fix it. My guess is that some of the pauses need lengthing |
| 01:55:21 | Llorean | I've used the pitch screen a few times to speed up audiobooks. |
| 01:55:36 | preglow | which bloody reminds me of another thing i should work on |
| 01:55:40 | preglow | time stretching |
| 01:56:04 | barrywardell | dan_a_: there may also possibly be a problem with udelay() - it's not wrap safe |
| 01:56:37 | barrywardell | dan_a_: but that shouldn't cause problems that are so frequent |
| 01:57:34 | markun | preglow: any plans for a better resampler? |
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| 01:58:14 | preglow | not really, no |
| 01:58:22 | markun | preglow: how's the one added to speex? Did you look at it? |
| 01:58:28 | preglow | had a look, looks expensive |
| 01:58:52 | preglow | somethings are struggling even with the one we currently have |
| 01:59:02 | preglow | and that's as low complexity as things get without sounding like complete shit |
| 01:59:43 | preglow | in a bag or not |
| 02:00 |
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| 02:01:02 | dan_a_ | I've got FIQs! |
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| 02:01:29 | markun | preglow: we're using linear interpolation now, right? |
| 02:01:33 | preglow | dan_a_: working on sansa sound already? |
| 02:01:35 | preglow | markun: aye |
| 02:01:50 | preglow | markun: whatever scheme we use in the future will probably have to be used in conjunction with that |
| 02:01:58 | dan_a_ | preglow: Why not? :D |
| 02:03:22 | preglow | got your hands on the datasheet yet? |
| 02:04:22 | dan_a_ | I have. It's so nice to have one for a change |
| 02:04:48 | jhMikeS | preglow: you tried a codec from the latest svn? |
| 02:05:13 | preglow | jhMikeS: mentioned the results soon after you asked me |
| 02:05:48 | jhMikeS | huh...and I replaced my whole build, cleared settings and still get that |
| 02:06:00 | preglow | build from rockbox.org? |
| 02:06:28 | jhMikeS | svn, no mods |
| 02:07:01 | preglow | well, it seemed perfectly ok here |
| 02:07:02 | jhMikeS | maybe I should do that...not build myself |
| 02:07:11 | preglow | haven't got any high bitrate oggs |
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| 02:07:27 | preglow | in a related note, downsample arm asm really doesn't seem to gain much :/ |
| 02:07:33 | jhMikeS | It's just that every single other thing is unaffected |
| 02:07:40 | preglow | i'm trying out a hack to shave two cycles off each mul now |
| 02:07:42 | dan_a_ | It's really frustrating, the screen only working while music is playing... |
| 02:07:44 | jhMikeS | really? |
| 02:08:11 | preglow | dan_a_: cool, cool |
| 02:08:18 | preglow | dan_a_: looking forward to the gentlemen mail :> |
| 02:08:21 | jhMikeS | the coldfire gain were just off the chart :\ |
| 02:08:39 | preglow | jhMikeS: coldfire just seems to gain that much more from asm |
| 02:08:39 | dan_a_ | preglow: There's no sound yet, but I know it's in there somewhere |
| 02:09:19 | preglow | jhMikeS: anyway, we'll see, now i've written it, i'm not just going to delete it |
| 02:09:29 | Llorean | preglow: The speex resampler is actually slightly broken, I think |
| 02:09:33 | jhMikeS | Do you test with the SPC codec? |
| 02:10:09 | Llorean | preglow: If I play a less-than-44.1 file, it plays back more quickly than the file does on PC, by a small amount |
| 02:10:12 | jhMikeS | I use that one for gauge it usually |
| 02:10:55 | barrywardell | dan_a_: there must be a reason why the i2c and lcd are interfering with each other |
| 02:11:14 | preglow | Llorean: oh? |
| 02:11:31 | dan_a_ | barrywardell: The power for the LCD is built into the as3514 (or at least the backlight) |
| 02:11:33 | preglow | Llorean: i don't think that's resampler related |
| 02:11:38 | Llorean | preglow: Yes. I'd noticed speex played back slightly too quickly (listening to a file for about a minute, the DAP would get about a word ahead in the audiobook) |
| 02:11:42 | preglow | jhMikeS: upsampling is work in progress yet |
| 02:11:47 | * | barrywardell looks at lcd-e200.c |
| 02:11:49 | jhMikeS | that speex interpolator has might familiar things about it to me :) |
| 02:11:57 | Llorean | preglow: Well, the problem happens in 16khz files, but not 44.1khz files, and it only affects speex. |
| 02:12:22 | preglow | umm |
| 02:12:26 | Llorean | The files play fine in foobar2000, but in Rockbox (simulator, H120, Nano, or Gigabeat, take your pick) the 16khz files play a bit too quickly. |
| 02:12:37 | preglow | is the resampler in speex even enabled? |
| 02:12:40 | preglow | i doubt it |
| 02:12:45 | barrywardell | dan_a_: good point |
| 02:12:53 | * | barrywardell also looks at backlight-e200.c |
| 02:13:09 | Llorean | preglow: Well, safetydan suggested the resampler might be the problem, he said Speex uses its own. |
| 02:13:58 | preglow | Llorean: i think it has its own, but i dobut it's used |
| 02:14:00 | Llorean | preglow: If speex uses our resampler, maybe I'm wrong. I could double check with a 16khz file in a non-speex format, maybe I didn't test properly with that. |
| 02:14:18 | Llorean | Either way, 16khz speex files play back too quickly, 44.1 don't. |
| 02:15:17 | preglow | Llorean: had a quick look at the source, and it does not look like it's used |
| 02:15:27 | Llorean | Alright, I'll double check with a non-speex 16khz file |
| 02:15:31 | preglow | do that |
| 02:15:45 | preglow | our resampler being a bit off is not impossible at all |
| 02:15:51 | preglow | there's some rounding being done here and there |
| 02:16:39 | jhMikeS | one part is 65536? |
| 02:16:42 | jhMikeS | in |
| 02:16:51 | Llorean | preglow: Ah, yes, it definitely happens with our resampler. |
| 02:17:18 | jhMikeS | what's the ratio of the speed difference? |
| 02:17:19 | preglow | jhMikeS: delta calculation might also be a bit off |
| 02:18:24 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I don't really have a way to calculate that. |
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| 02:18:47 | Llorean | Without just playing files through on each device, and seeing how much earlier one ends than the other. |
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| 02:19:32 | preglow | ratio of difference would be a nice figure |
| 02:20:01 | Llorean | Oddly enough I'm suddenly having a hard time reproducing it with this .spx file. |
| 02:20:30 | Llorean | By 'hard time' I mean usually if I get them exactly in sync, I can hear it after 60 seconds. |
| 02:20:54 | Llorean | And they seem to be exactly in sync this time... =/ |
| 02:21:06 | jhMikeS | still enough bits you'd have to wait a long time for 1s difference in progress |
| 02:21:34 | jhMikeS | and besides, rounding errors should make it play slower |
| 02:21:35 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Usually 60 seconds of playback results in about a whole word's difference between the reference PC and Rockbox |
| 02:21:46 | Llorean | jhMikeS: And yes, Rockbox is slower with the 16khz MP3. |
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| 02:22:32 | jhMikeS | that's too much for it to be the resampler, I have no doubt about that |
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| 02:23:25 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Well, it didn't seem to happen with the 44.1 khz file. But then, It didn't happen with the later 16khz file, so apparently I haven't done enough testing. |
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| 02:24:01 | jhMikeS | right, and it shouldn't change either, should be fixed in ratio |
| 02:24:14 | Llorean | Yeah, I now can't get spx to do it at all. |
| 02:24:31 | preglow | :-) |
| 02:24:43 | jhMikeS | see how talking about things helps? :) |
| 02:25:13 | Llorean | It's really frustrating, because it _definitely_ happens. |
| 02:25:22 | preglow | i'm even using we believe you! |
| 02:25:27 | preglow | yes, that came out right |
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| 02:25:48 | preglow | note to self: erase what you were about to write before leaving the keyboard before writing something else |
| 02:25:54 | jhMikeS | overboosting vorbis, and elusive speex timeshifting...just one of those days |
| 02:26:19 | preglow | testing with a 96khz flac to see if my downsampler has any effect now... |
| 02:26:25 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Well, MP3 seems to timeshift too. |
| 02:26:31 | preglow | it doesn't look too good |
| 02:26:59 | preglow | cache has far too much effect on pp for my tastes |
| 02:27:54 | jhMikeS | which model? 3g? |
| 02:28:15 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Okay, so despite being able to reproduce it not five minutes ago, I can't do it at all now. |
| 02:28:23 | preglow | with a wee bit of luck i'm speaking one percent boost difference here |
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| 02:29:17 | jhMikeS | 1%? Guess I got the C code down pretty well if that's it. |
| 02:30:20 | jhMikeS | Actually, optimized C code got it most of the way there and ASM another 4 or 5% maybe from that on SPC test. |
| 02:30:37 | preglow | and that's even bloody utilising the arm early multiplier termination |
| 02:30:48 | jhMikeS | But I've got another 2 or 3% waiting |
| 02:30:52 | preglow | well, now downsample is done upsampling should be faster |
| 02:30:53 | Llorean | Okay, now the files are perfectly in sync, sound perfectly in sync, but the progress is ~4 seconds different. |
| 02:31:00 | * | Llorean mutters |
| 02:31:23 | perldiver | umm |
| 02:31:24 | perldiver | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2954 |
| 02:31:26 | jhMikeS | how can that be? |
| 02:31:29 | preglow | jhMikeS: we really, really need some bloody way of benching dsp/codecs |
| 02:31:36 | perldiver | last post, good question really |
| 02:31:43 | preglow | i'm tired of this fucking boost counter |
| 02:31:59 | preglow | with its varying around |
| 02:32:14 | jhMikeS | We run them unregulated |
| 02:32:17 | preglow | now it looks like i've perhaps got 2% difference |
| 02:32:41 | * | Llorean gives up on reproducing this problem, for the moment, since everything seems to refuse to work right now. |
| 02:32:50 | preglow | jhMikeS: all that's needed is just a mode where we can let rockbox push data through as fast as it can with timing |
| 02:33:06 | preglow | that would make me a happy camper |
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| 02:33:11 | Llorean | perldiver: That's one of those features that will be negated entirely by viewports. |
| 02:33:27 | JETC- | :-o |
| 02:33:27 | jhMikeS | right, so skip DMA transfers |
| 02:33:28 | perldiver | ah, viewports |
| 02:33:33 | JETC- | rockboy is now available to X5? |
| 02:33:41 | JETC- | :-o ?! |
| 02:34:33 | preglow | JETC-: has been for quite some time |
| 02:34:38 | preglow | ahh |
| 02:34:40 | preglow | rockBOY |
| 02:34:41 | preglow | ignore me |
| 02:35:16 | JETC- | :] |
| 02:36:55 | preglow | jhMikeS: i'm a bit confused now, will this work: result = last + (highpart << 16) + (lowpart >> 16); when all i want to do is add "last" and the 32 bit number i piece toghether from "low" and "high" ? |
| 02:37:27 | preglow | i figure it will |
| 02:37:56 | jhMikeS | sure |
| 02:38:00 | jhMikeS | why do you split it? |
| 02:38:18 | preglow | jhMikeS: arm works that way, it gives you the full 64 bit result of a mul in two regs |
| 02:39:22 | preglow | the mul is slower, though, but it does early termination based on how many bytes in the second mul operand is zero, and seeing as how "frac" is only sixteen bits, i put them in the lower two bytes, but that means i need to do some shifting like that to recombine the lower and higher 32 bits |
| 02:39:28 | jhMikeS | so dont we shift right by 31? |
| 02:39:48 | preglow | we do, but when frac is shifted fifteen bits lower than usual, that shift right becomes 16 |
| 02:40:33 | jhMikeS | shift frac in advance so the whole result is in one reg |
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| 02:41:12 | preglow | shift it up, you mean? if i do that, i miss the entire point of early termination in the multiplier |
| 02:41:37 | preglow | for every byte in the second operand that is zero, one cycle is shaved off the mul, so if frac is contained only in the two lower bytes, i shave off two cycles |
| 02:41:53 | jhMikeS | oh, see I'm not up on all this yet...but hell, one of those thing I'd reality test and go with the faster one no matter what. |
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| 02:42:18 | preglow | how do i test this? the savings are too small to be easily measureable |
| 02:42:19 | jhMikeS | but how many go into recombining it? |
| 02:42:36 | preglow | instruction count is the same no matter what |
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| 02:43:16 | preglow | the one instruction i gain in recombine i shave off from not having to do the extre shift in phase << 16 >> 1 |
| 02:43:28 | preglow | the first shift is replaced by an "and 0xffff" |
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| 02:43:54 | webguest46 | hello im a newb to rockbox and im wondering if i can get any more codecs? |
| 02:44:03 | preglow | webguest46: which codecs do you need? |
| 02:44:10 | preglow | webguest46: codecs don't come flying in the window, someone needs to cod ethem |
| 02:44:13 | preglow | code them |
| 02:44:17 | webguest46 | non specific just wondering |
| 02:44:24 | webguest46 | i cant code |
| 02:44:25 | preglow | webguest46: all codecs rockbox supports are included by default |
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| 02:45:15 | jhMikeS | My paypal account is open to those who wish to purchase rockbox extras :) |
| 02:45:34 | webguest46 | also im using the gigabeat version and i know this questions been asked a million times but is ther anyway to remove sat encryption? |
| 02:45:36 | preglow | a case of beer gets you far in my case |
| 02:46:36 | preglow | especially if you're from the us |
| 02:46:48 | Llorean | webguest46: You have to use the Gigabeat software to copy the files back off your device |
| 02:47:17 | jhMikeS | I so wish I were up on the ARM stuff like the CF ... I might actually have some idea of what to do with it. |
| 02:47:35 | preglow | well, not much reading is required, but it takes a while to get the hang of it |
| 02:48:22 | webguest46 | well i already took them off my player to a backup on my c drive. now when i go to the gbroom the files dont show? |
| 02:48:36 | webguest46 | whoops didnt mean to put a ? there |
| 02:48:45 | jhMikeS | usually the read to get the basics of instructions, then a good lookup. I ususally proceed by looking at mnemonics that look like the do what I need. |
| 02:49:09 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/arm_ds.S |
| 02:49:26 | preglow | it ended up fairly close to yours after all |
| 02:49:44 | Llorean | webguest46: This really isn't a support channel for problems you have with the original firmware and software. I've never used it, and never wanted to use it. |
| 02:50:19 | webguest46 | oh well i gotta go anyway |
| 02:50:23 | webguest46 | peace |
| 02:50:23 | preglow | jhMikeS: the arm instruction set is very easy to learn |
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| 02:51:32 | preglow | jhMikeS: btw, small opt in cf downsample, the move.l before .dsloop can hardcode a fetch from 0, since pos is zero |
| 02:52:08 | preglow | might save you 1 cycle and zero bytes, heh |
| 02:52:11 | jhMikeS | see...emac instructions looked cryptic too until the very minute I needed them, then it was all just clear as glass. So, after the first real bit of code I write it'll probably be another "how could I not have understood since birth?" |
| 02:53:22 | jhMikeS | I don't doubt I overlooked something in all that |
| 02:53:56 | jhMikeS | which function? |
| 02:53:59 | preglow | downsample |
| 02:54:15 | jhMikeS | hehe...I'm out of it right now :p |
| 02:55:13 | preglow | btw, perhaps it would be clever to use a 32 bit delta when upsampling, the upper word is always 0 anyway |
| 02:55:18 | jhMikeS | that's the least executed branch at that |
| 02:55:27 | preglow | sure, didn't say it mattered much :> |
| 02:56:17 | jhMikeS | could do that, in cf it's basically swapped into that at the start |
| 02:56:24 | preglow | that's what made me think of it |
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| 02:56:35 | preglow | might not be too wise anyway, hmm |
| 02:57:28 | jhMikeS | mmmm...I see no problem to just do it when calcing the delta. |
| 02:57:46 | jhMikeS | would save a swap instruction :) |
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| 02:59:16 | jhMikeS | Actually, I'd like to tweak downsample to only read only sample when the advance moves it by only one position |
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| 03:00:26 | preglow | would make for a slow c implementation, though, don't have carry there |
| 03:00:52 | safetydan | Llorean, sorry to mislead you. I was actually thinking the speex codec wasn't telling the dsp the correct frequency for the speex files thus making them get resampled incorrectly. |
| 03:01:13 | Llorean | safetydan: Ah well, at least it led me to discover that it's a global problem, not specific to speex. |
| 03:01:42 | Llorean | safetydan: It also led me to discover the fact that as soon as I discovered it was global, it decided to no longer reproduce, at all. No matter what I try. |
| 03:02:00 | safetydan | As all good bugs are wont to do. |
| 03:02:42 | Llorean | It was 100% reproduceable until I reproduced it with an MP3 instead of a .spx. After that one MP3 showed the same symptom neither the .spx files or that .mp3 will do it any more. Including after rebooting. |
| 03:02:50 | Llorean | Entirely because they all hate me. |
| 03:03:40 | Llorean | Meanwhile, it's about the most minor bug ever as far as I'm concerned. I can't hear the difference, and can only identify it if I play the same audio elsewhere and listen to them side by side, hardly a 'normal' situation. |
| 03:04:03 | * | preglow does the ignorable bug dance |
| 03:04:42 | jhMikeS | yeah, not in c |
| 03:04:50 | Llorean | Yeah, I'm perfectly happy with filing it in with "Our resampler isn't perfect, you dolt (referring to me)" and leaving it be. |
| 03:05:02 | jhMikeS | just need bit 1 of the whole part to be the carry bit |
| 03:05:29 | preglow | true |
| 03:05:34 | preglow | anywho, i'm falling asleep again |
| 03:05:37 | jhMikeS | exacty same scheme |
| 03:05:51 | preglow | probably back tomorrow :> |
| 03:05:53 | preglow | night |
| 03:05:57 | jhMikeS | gnight |
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| 03:14:29 | safetydan | right, so that just leave speex stereo decoding to fix |
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| 05:40:33 | L30 | Brasil mostra a sua cara! |
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| 05:50:45 | safetydan | zorton, I think so but can't be certain as I don't know much about the iPod port |
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| 06:48:52 | scorche | zorton: yes |
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| 07:02:34 | aegray | (or in terms of the i.mx31 relating to pp5020) |
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| 07:21:36 | perplexity | Yay.. H300 Bootloader USB mode works flawlessly now. Ta LinusN :) |
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| 08:06:15 | K3nto | i cant believe im about to put doom on my ipod |
| 08:06:52 | K3nto | my dad was telling his IT guy about my recent interest in linux, and now i could have a summer job lined up. in an IT division! |
| 08:07:14 | aliask | gotta love parent for hooking jobs up |
| 08:07:23 | aliask | *parents |
| 08:07:37 | daurnimator | hey aliask |
| 08:07:38 | daurnimator | sup |
| 08:07:44 | aliask | nooot much |
| 08:07:47 | K3nto | heh ya |
| 08:08:04 | juxtap | K3nto, you played super mario? |
| 08:08:25 | K3nto | not yet |
| 08:08:30 | K3nto | is it decent? |
| 08:08:42 | juxtap | neither. just heard about that yesterday. |
| 08:08:49 | juxtap | i've been slack with updating my rockbox |
| 08:08:54 | juxtap | heh |
| 08:09:19 | * | daurnimator waits for jdgordon & accompanying iriver |
| 08:09:29 | daurnimator | aliask: what you doing for the long weekend |
| 08:09:35 | aliask | what long weekend :( |
| 08:09:42 | K3nto | did the creator(s) of linux antocipate its capabilities/addictiveness/usefulness? |
| 08:10:03 | juxtap | addictiveness? |
| 08:10:28 | K3nto | yes |
| 08:10:30 | juxtap | linux was created for fun |
| 08:10:35 | juxtap | wasn't intended to be huge |
| 08:10:40 | K3nto | i cant leave my computer |
| 08:10:46 | K3nto | not since i installed ubuntu |
| 08:10:57 | juxtap | well you're obviously not using bash shell :p |
| 08:10:59 | daurnimator | aliask: you working monday? |
| 08:11:07 | aliask | uni |
| 08:11:19 | K3nto | OMG |
| 08:11:35 | K3nto | i just imported my entire library over from my ntfs partition |
| 08:11:36 | daurnimator | haha. sucks to be you ;) |
| 08:11:44 | K3nto | now i have no reason to go back to windows |
| 08:11:50 | K3nto | :) |
| 08:12:33 | daurnimator | K3nto: why |
| 08:12:39 | daurnimator | K3nto: linux supports ntfs fine |
| 08:12:55 | daurnimator | infact, i would use ntfs in linux over fat32 |
| 08:13:20 | ze | i thought write support was experimental and/or non-standard or something |
| 08:14:34 | daurnimator | been stable for a good 9 months now |
| 08:15:03 | K3nto | daurnimator: i thought there were plenty of ntfs issues with ubuntu |
| 08:15:06 | K3nto | but nvm that now |
| 08:15:15 | K3nto | my ubuntu universe is almost complete |
| 08:15:22 | K3nto | just have to tweak my ipod a lil more |
| 08:15:27 | daurnimator | what about multi-verse? |
| 08:15:37 | K3nto | i think the HD is corrupt actually. anybody know of anything to fix that? |
| 08:15:51 | daurnimator | i pretty much left linux because there was no good audio player |
| 08:15:59 | K3nto | ?!?! |
| 08:16:03 | K3nto | Amarok dude |
| 08:16:12 | K3nto | its really good. i think anyway |
| 08:16:15 | daurnimator | amarok is a piece of steaming shit |
| 08:16:34 | K3nto | for real?? why didnt you like it? so simple, so pretty |
| 08:16:38 | * | scorche coughs |
| 08:16:52 | K3nto | lol |
| 08:16:56 | daurnimator | its so ugly, slow & hard to use |
| 08:17:08 | daurnimator | scorche: got a whiff of amarok? :0 |
| 08:17:12 | K3nto | maybe its ur system? mine is fast like a abbit |
| 08:17:20 | K3nto | rabbit* |
| 08:17:25 | scorche | no...i got a whiff of an off-topic discussion |
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| 08:17:44 | K3nto | o sry |
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| 08:17:53 | aliask | austriancoder: Congrats on the great result of yesterday's meeting |
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| 08:29:09 | austriancoder | aliask: thanks... |
| 08:29:10 | K3nto | anybody here use doom? im having problems i thin |
| 08:29:11 | K3nto | k |
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| 08:51:21 | K3nto | if i could fix my ipod that would be awesome. then i wouldnt have to restart my pc everytime i wanted to gain access to it |
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| 09:06:58 | Babbelaar | Hello yall? |
| 09:07:31 | Babbelaar | Well |
| 09:08:00 | Babbelaar | Um.. I d/l the new h300 build a while back( i didn't d/l a build since like last year) and when i try to play songs it says "incompatiable" |
| 09:08:17 | Babbelaar | and when i look at version it sez "incompatiabl |
| 09:08:31 | aliask | That'll be because you only updated the rockbox.iriver file |
| 09:08:38 | aliask | You need to replace the whole .rockbox directory too. |
| 09:08:48 | Babbelaar | how do i do that? |
| 09:09:10 | Babbelaar | Cause i just read the manual about "updating" and it said d/l the new build and just hook it up |
| 09:09:13 | aliask | Download the new build zip, and extract the whole thing to the root of the harddrive |
| 09:09:29 | aliask | Make sure you replace all the files it asks about |
| 09:09:39 | Babbelaar | In Mac it doesn't ask about anything |
| 09:09:46 | Babbelaar | except rockbox.iriver |
| 09:09:58 | * | aliask sighs |
| 09:10:12 | aliask | Is MacOS making your life easier? :P |
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| 09:10:24 | Babbelaar | in this situation.. i'd have to say.. no :( |
| 09:10:48 | aliask | I believe Macs hide folders starting with a . |
| 09:11:07 | aliask | So the .rockbox folder will be hidden - that might have something to do with it. |
| 09:11:16 | Babbelaar | But say i extract the file there |
| 09:11:19 | Babbelaar | The zip |
| 09:11:27 | Babbelaar | Im guessing all the other files will go |
| 09:11:36 | aliask | Which other files? |
| 09:11:54 | Babbelaar | no i mean that .rockbox file i can't see it on my mac |
| 09:11:57 | Babbelaar | but like on my windows |
| 09:12:00 | Babbelaar | nd |
| 09:12:29 | Babbelaar | If i extract the zip file in the Iriver, im guessing it will replace the .iriver folder |
| 09:12:32 | Babbelaar | *.rockbox |
| 09:13:23 | aliask | It should do it in macos too, but it looks like it's not. WinZip will definitely ask you if you want to overwrite the other files (which you do want) |
| 09:13:42 | Babbelaar | Na it's just harder to do it on windows |
| 09:13:50 | Babbelaar | Cause my USB Data Port is bent.. |
| 09:14:10 | Babbelaar | which makes me have to put pressure on the h300 when i want to d/l anything |
| 09:14:12 | aliask | Ah ok. There might be a way to do it on macs, but I don't have the first clue about them really. |
| 09:14:20 | Babbelaar | thanks though |
| 09:14:27 | aliask | You're welcome. |
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| 09:17:43 | amiconn | Something's wrong with the tree contexts |
| 09:18:24 | amiconn | If you enter the file browser, move the cursor to e.g. the 5th item, then back out and enter the db browser, guess at what item you'll end up? |
| 09:18:38 | Llorean | First? |
| 09:18:43 | amiconn | 5th item. |
| 09:18:43 | Llorean | Fifth |
| 09:19:08 | Llorean | I read file browser twice the first time, so I was thinking "It should be the fifth but apparently is not" rather than "It should be the first but apparently is not" |
| 09:19:09 | amiconn | But the reverse is not true: the db cursor position doesn't "transfer" to the file browser |
| 09:19:41 | safetydan | Babbelaar, are you familiar with the terminal? You could always use unzip on the command line. At least I think OSX has unzip |
| 09:19:46 | Llorean | Okay, when a playlist ends, where exactly are you supposed to end up? |
| 09:21:00 | Babbelaar | um |
| 09:21:03 | Babbelaar | I expanded it |
| 09:21:07 | Babbelaar | and it showed everything |
| 09:21:18 | Babbelaar | but it put the thing into a folder on iriver |
| 09:22:13 | Babbelaar | lemme try one more th ing |
| 09:22:35 | amiconn | Llorean: If 'follow playlist' is disabled, you should end up wherever you were last. If you directly resumed after boot, hence didn't enter the file browser before, you should be in the root, first item |
| 09:23:01 | amiconn | If 'follow playlist' is enabled, you should end up on the last file played |
| 09:23:33 | K3nto | okay, i love rockbox. im playing a 9-minute song and im gonna see if it plays it through without interruption |
| 09:23:35 | amiconn | All this is only true for the file browser; the db browser can't do 'follow playlist' |
| 09:23:39 | Llorean | amiconn: Okay, just making sure. All these people are complaining about playlists ending and finding themselves in the root menu, and my playlist just ended and I was where I launched it from, and I was just a bit uncertain how the behaviour worked from other people's statements. Thanks. |
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| 09:24:53 | amiconn | Llorean: I'm not sure how this is supposed to work wrt root menu. I was only talking about browser behaviour |
| 09:26:58 | Llorean | amiconn: I think the problem is that if you launch a playlist from filetree, go to the menus to change a setting, then tap Play to return to the WPS, when the playlist ends you're in the menu, and that wasn't the previous behaviour so users find it unexpected. |
| 09:27:16 | Llorean | It's an extension of how it worked before, making it more consistent, but users don't see it as that. |
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| 09:29:57 | K3nto | woot! 8 minutes of music and no interruptions. My faith in rockbox is 100% |
| 09:30:16 | aliask | Recent iPL convert? |
| 09:30:33 | K3nto | ipl? |
| 09:30:38 | aliask | iPod linux |
| 09:30:44 | K3nto | yes |
| 09:30:48 | aliask | Heh :0 |
| 09:30:51 | K3nto | and im neve going back! |
| 09:31:02 | aliask | It's pretty, but not very useful... |
| 09:31:31 | K3nto | what, ipod linux? |
| 09:31:41 | aliask | Yes, or at least last time I used it. |
| 09:31:47 | K3nto | lol |
| 09:32:05 | K3nto | put it this way. apple's=broken. iPL=perfect |
| 09:32:11 | K3nto | its very functional |
| 09:32:28 | Llorean | I would say iPL is very far from perfect. |
| 09:32:39 | K3nto | why |
| 09:32:43 | Llorean | How's the battery life? |
| 09:32:56 | K3nto | hood |
| 09:32:56 | aliask | Llorean: How's our battery life... |
| 09:32:58 | K3nto | good |
| 09:33:03 | Llorean | aliask: I never claimed we were perfect either. |
| 09:33:07 | aliask | :P |
| 09:33:08 | K3nto | 50% = to 5 hours |
| 09:33:11 | Llorean | K3nto: You have a strange definition of good. |
| 09:33:21 | Llorean | It's significantly less than the battery life in the Apple firmware. |
| 09:33:21 | K3nto | and my ipod is about a year or more old |
| 09:33:37 | Llorean | iPL also doesn't have the best audio functionality in the world. |
| 09:33:39 | K3nto | realistically though. when are you going to listen to your ipod for 10 hours of the day? |
| 09:33:49 | Shaid | some people do |
| 09:33:55 | K3nto | i dont lol |
| 09:34:02 | Llorean | Some people also need to use it across several days without the opportunity to charge. |
| 09:34:04 | K3nto | so 10 is more than decent |
| 09:34:24 | K3nto | meh |
| 09:34:40 | Llorean | Thank you for dismissing aspects of my lifestyle with but a single word. |
| 09:35:09 | Llorean | My point is simply this: iPL is not perfect, nor will it be until there are no bugs and it surpasses _every_ aspect of both Rockbox and the original Apple firmware, and nobody can raise a complaint about it. |
| 09:35:21 | Llorean | That's, to a lesser extent, the definition of perfect: Without flaw. |
| 09:35:46 | scorche | it wont have a flaw in it when it can make me a latte |
| 09:35:55 | K3nto | lol |
| 09:36:11 | K3nto | i see a fundamental flaw |
| 09:36:11 | Llorean | scorche: I mean, simply enough, if iPL were perfect, why's he using Rockbox at all? |
| 09:36:21 | scorche | with a shot of hazelnut and caramel |
| 09:36:34 | K3nto | Llorean: what? |
| 09:36:44 | K3nto | iPL=Rockbox...? |
| 09:36:48 | Llorean | iPL is not Rockbox. |
| 09:36:53 | scorche | not even close.. |
| 09:36:53 | Llorean | iPL is iPod Linux... |
| 09:37:02 | K3nto | well now |
| 09:37:19 | Llorean | I mean, it'd be somewhat silly to have two different names for the same thing. |
| 09:37:20 | K3nto | i like ROCKBOX. dont know about iPL |
| 09:37:59 | * | Llorean votes for a name change to something Recursive that end's with "isn't Linux" |
| 09:38:45 | K3nto | why |
| 09:38:50 | K3nto | its like an identification |
| 09:39:17 | Llorean | It was a joke, based on the GNU name. |
| 09:39:37 | HaSH | wait rockbox isnt linux based?. |
| 09:39:45 | scorche | no |
| 09:39:46 | Llorean | No, it's not. |
| 09:40:02 | K3nto | really |
| 09:40:05 | K3nto | wow |
| 09:40:07 | Llorean | Yes, really. |
| 09:40:09 | scorche | we have our own faster, smaller kernel |
| 09:40:10 | HaSH | huh |
| 09:40:14 | HaSH | ah |
| 09:40:24 | HaSH | so not the linux kernel |
| 09:40:29 | K3nto | it takes nothing from linux? or is it just not BASED |
| 09:40:31 | K3nto | on linux |
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| 09:40:59 | scorche | it was written from scratch |
| 09:41:10 | Llorean | There are bits of code here and there, especially for the iPods, that were derived from iPodLinux |
| 09:41:16 | Llorean | But the kernel itself was built from scratch. |
| 09:41:20 | K3nto | i see |
| 09:41:26 | HaSH | nice. |
| 09:41:27 | scorche | Llorean: yeah...i was referring to the kernel |
| 09:42:10 | Llorean | K3nto: But usually when people say 'based on linux' they refer to it actually being a modified linux kernel. |
| 09:42:15 | Llorean | Rockbox is very, very, very far from being that. |
| 09:42:29 | HaSH | and its not just a stripped down linux kernel?...its actualy your own(rockbox) kernel? |
| 09:42:34 | Llorean | HaSH: Yes. |
| 09:42:45 | Llorean | HaSH: That's kinda what "From scratch" means. |
| 09:42:50 | scorche | that is what "from scratch" means ;) |
| 09:42:55 | scorche | bah you! |
| 09:42:59 | HaSH | Llorean, lol sorry its late....and im baked :-) |
| 09:42:59 | scorche | i am slow tonight |
| 09:43:14 | K3nto | Llorean: but its still open sourced right |
| 09:43:17 | scorche | Llorean: we do think alike though =/ |
| 09:43:23 | scorche | of course it is |
| 09:43:23 | HaSH | but right on...thats cool. i always thought it was linux |
| 09:43:25 | Llorean | K3nto: Yes, it's released under the GPL license. |
| 09:43:31 | K3nto | sweet |
| 09:43:33 | Llorean | I don't see how that's really related to being Linux or not. |
| 09:44:12 | K3nto | HaSH: lol yea 7 coors and my keyboard dexterity is maintained lol |
| 09:44:17 | K3nto | amazing |
| 09:44:27 | HaSH | lol |
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| 09:45:03 | * | linuxstb points people to http://www.rockbox.org/history.html |
| 09:46:05 | HaSH | ah well its almost 4am im off to bed. cya |
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| 09:48:55 | amiconn | ah |
| 09:49:11 | amiconn | linuxstb: Didn't you say rolo'ing diskmode should work now? |
| 09:49:20 | amiconn | It still doesn't on mini2g |
| 09:50:09 | linuxstb | Rolo functionality seems to come and go... |
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| 09:50:44 | linuxstb | But I think it was working on both my Color and Video last time I checked. |
| 09:50:55 | linuxstb | (I can't check now, no DAPs with me) |
| 09:53:08 | amiconn | I only get the 'folder with exclamation mark' screen, followed by a reboot after ~10 seconds |
| 09:53:24 | amiconn | Shutdown, rather |
| 09:54:13 | amiconn | Haha, and on second attempt (after rolo'ing rockbox), rolo hangs at "Waiting for coprocessor..." |
| 09:54:54 | linuxstb | Ah yes, rolo'ing Rockbox is currently broken - if you check the threads after rolo'ing it, nothing is running on the COP... |
| 09:55:50 | linuxstb | I think dan_a has spent a lot of time investigating, but to no avail. |
| 09:56:29 | amiconn | Hmm. When rolo'ing diskmode or diagmode (without rolo'ing rockbox before), Rolo briefly shows "Waiting for coprocessor..", however, when rolo'ing rockbox it does not. |
| 09:57:29 | linuxstb | That sounds odd. |
| 09:57:44 | amiconn | Hmm, now it did..... |
| 09:59:21 | amiconn | Hmm, the thread debug screen now shows some odd thread behaviour... |
| 09:59:49 | amiconn | With the codec thread running on the cop, the voice codec thread is constantly running (!) |
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| 10:01:29 | amiconn | This is with voice file present (of course), but voice disabled... |
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| 10:04:04 | amiconn | linuxstb: Oh, and I think this also identifies our lockstepping threads! |
| 10:04:29 | amiconn | Voice and main code are running on different cores, but they're interlocked because of the buffer swaps! |
| 10:04:46 | Llorean | Would fixing it be as simple as dropping it on Core 1 as well? |
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| 10:09:37 | amiconn | Hmm, these are 2 different problems. 'Voice codec' constantly running applies to all swcodec targets. |
| 10:10:52 | * | austriancoder has problems to include the new as3515 audio driver in the build system... |
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| 10:15:53 | * | amiconn started a battery bench on his X5 |
| 10:15:56 | linuxstb | austriancoder: What's the problem? Have you added any new files to firmware/SOURCES ? |
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| 10:40:47 | adam1302 | hey how did it go with AMS |
| 10:42:21 | adam1302 | ? |
| 10:43:17 | austriancoder | very good.. we got the as3514 datasheet and a as3514 testing board |
| 10:43:19 | Bagder | austriancoder: 3515? |
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| 10:43:50 | JdGordon | hey all |
| 10:43:51 | austriancoder | 3514 ans 3515 are equal of the registers |
| 10:43:52 | JdGordon | howd the meeting with ams go? |
| 10:44:02 | Bagder | austriancoder: so why make a 3515 driver? |
| 10:44:25 | Bagder | and btw, are you allowed to show us the data sheet? |
| 10:44:52 | austriancoder | Bagder... in my source tree it is called as3514... |
| 10:47:45 | Bagder | that only makes calling it a 3515 driver even more weird in my eyes... |
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| 10:49:01 | austriancoder | Bagder: was only a typo... sorry |
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| 10:52:00 | Bagder | are you allowed to show the data sheet? |
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| 10:53:32 | austriancoder | Bagder: it will be not aviable for everybody.. |
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| 10:54:05 | Bagder | that's not what I asked though... |
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| 10:54:50 | austriancoder | Bagder: do want it? |
| 10:54:55 | Bagder | yes please |
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| 10:56:58 | dan_a_ | austriancoder: Have you fixed your build system problem yet? |
| 10:57:11 | austriancoder | Bagder: will recheck it with rp- and our contact person.. but i think i can mail it to your later (you are not allowed to share it or show it others) |
| 10:57:31 | austriancoder | dan_a: yep... compiles... |
| 10:57:32 | Bagder | austriancoder: it would make sense to show it to the core sansa hackers |
| 10:57:41 | * | austriancoder is back in an hour |
| 10:57:42 | Bagder | that includes dan_a and barry too |
| 10:57:53 | dan_a_ | I already got one off rp- |
| 10:57:59 | Bagder | goodie |
| 10:58:11 | dan_a_ | He thought that Barry, Bagder and myself should get them |
| 10:58:16 | austriancoder | okay.. than Bagder you will get one too |
| 10:59:03 | austriancoder | and they told us that we should not too much with the powermanager.. it can break the device very easily |
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| 11:00:50 | austriancoder | Bagder: check your mail |
| 11:01:26 | * | austriancoder hopes that he will commit a working dirver for playback and recording in some hours |
| 11:02:11 | Bagder | I bet that |
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| 11:02:22 | Bagder | will boost the amount of private support mails I get ... :-) |
| 11:02:29 | dan_a_ | austriancoder: Did you get sound yet? |
| 11:03:09 | austriancoder | dan_a: a klick like the headphone output was enabled |
| 11:03:15 | dan_a_ | :D |
| 11:03:22 | austriancoder | nothing more,, at the moment |
| 11:03:50 | austriancoder | ohh and will later make some pohtos of the devel board |
| 11:03:54 | austriancoder | so.. time to go |
| 11:04:05 | austriancoder | Bagder: mail should be send |
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| 11:09:02 | tHEkIND | Hello |
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| 11:10:01 | tHEkIND | I'd need to store a value |
| 11:10:18 | tHEkIND | How can i know where i can store it on the memory ? |
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| 11:11:56 | JdGordon | using an infra-red thermometer thingy to see which bits in the RAM chips are changed? |
| 11:12:10 | tHEkIND | Thanks man |
| 11:12:17 | Llorean | tHEkIND: Well you haven't asked a very specific question. |
| 11:12:21 | Llorean | Most people store values in variables. |
| 11:12:28 | dan_a_ | tHEkIND: Are you using C or ASM? |
| 11:12:30 | tHEkIND | Okay okay |
| 11:12:35 | tHEkIND | C |
| 11:12:46 | tHEkIND | I'm not very friendly with C |
| 11:13:05 | tHEkIND | But i'll learn |
| 11:13:06 | tHEkIND | ^^ |
| 11:13:45 | aliask | If it's just a small value I think the best option would be declaring a variable, and setting it. That way you dont need to worry about memory etc |
| 11:14:19 | tHEkIND | okay i'll do that |
| 11:14:20 | dan_a_ | Do you actually need to know where it is in memory? If you do, then you need to learn about pointers. Otherwise, as aliask says, declare it (like "int x;") |
| 11:14:31 | tHEkIND | No i don't need pointer |
| 11:16:03 | tHEkIND | Okay i found it |
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| 11:43:37 | decayedcell | damn |
| 11:44:03 | nls | pixelma: I read your question in the logs, what do you have in mind? |
| 11:44:03 | decayedcell | that single stage audio initialisation added 20 minutes~ of battery life to my iPod |
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| 11:48:16 | w1ll14m | morning all |
| 11:49:20 | pixelma | nls: for example some settings for a default codepage on the player... some just aren't possible. I could exclude them in the lang file but IIUC amiconn said that also needs to be taken out somewhere else in the UI code |
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| 11:52:43 | nls | pixelma: if they aren'y used at all just removing them from the lang file for the player should be fine |
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| 11:55:54 | voltagex | anything interesting happening in rockbox land? |
| 11:56:22 | markun | voltagex: did you see the new menu? |
| 11:56:41 | dan_a_ | voltagex: Sound on the Sansa is hopefully on the way, we've got the iAudio M5 working |
| 11:56:42 | pixelma | nls: well... I've no idea. My suggestion is that I'll look into the lang file and post an update of it only with a lot comments. So that someone else could look up if it needs more changes - would that be ok? |
| 11:56:43 | tHEkIND | The new menu look nice |
| 11:56:48 | voltagex | markun: yeah, now we need pretty colours as default |
| 11:56:50 | preglow | dan_a_: any progress? |
| 11:57:24 | voltagex | so at the moment, what's the best mp3 player to buy for running rockbox? |
| 11:57:52 | nls | pixelma: yes, I could do the other changes. |
| 11:57:54 | dan_a_ | preglow: Clicks, but nothing recognisable as music yet. I don't know, though, if that's because the badly written flash or LCD drivers are slowing everything to a crawl (neither of them do any yielding yet) |
| 11:58:36 | preglow | haha |
| 11:58:41 | nls | I think I know what he meant that other code needs changing, the settings code isn't ifdefed very much for different targets, so that will be neccesary |
| 11:59:30 | markun | voltagex: it depends on your needs |
| 11:59:53 | pixelma | nls: thanks :) |
| 11:59:58 | markun | voltagex: if you don't care for radio and recording buy a Gigabeat F40 |
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| 12:01:41 | voltagex | anyone? |
| 12:01:54 | markun | if you care for those features but not for a nice screen, buy a iriver H1xx maybe |
| 12:02:07 | Llorean | voltagex: Well, Markun pretty much hit it on the head. |
| 12:02:23 | markun | Llorean: maybe i'm on his ignore list :) |
| 12:02:37 | linuxstb | voltagex: What are your top three requirements for an mp3 player? |
| 12:02:51 | Llorean | voltagex: The H100 series runs really well with Rockbox, and has the most in the way of audio-specific features. The Gigabeat doesn't offer recording or radio, but has a big color screen and a ridiculously fast processor that is likely to be good for video. |
| 12:03:55 | tHEkIND | h10 is nice (no fm on rockbox now), but screen is little (128x128) |
| 12:04:09 | Llorean | tHEkIND: It hardly qualifies as one of the best ones though. |
| 12:04:33 | tHEkIND | I like my h10 ^^ |
| 12:04:35 | Llorean | All of the PortalPlayer based targets are basically disqualified from the 'best' list because of battery and USB concerns, followed closely by performance limitations. |
| 12:04:36 | preglow | i'd say anything with portalplayer chips in it automatically disqualifies as the best choice |
| 12:04:48 | preglow | yes... |
| 12:04:54 | tHEkIND | I never tested rockbox on non-portalplayer devices |
| 12:05:03 | Llorean | tHEkIND: It tends to work much better. |
| 12:05:07 | preglow | well, it's usually a better experience |
| 12:05:35 | tHEkIND | So my next player will be a non-portalplayer ^^ |
| 12:05:41 | preglow | heh |
| 12:05:53 | preglow | OR you could annoy portalplayer until they give us documentation on their chips |
| 12:06:03 | preglow | we'd make a statue out of you |
| 12:06:20 | tHEkIND | They never accepted ? |
| 12:06:38 | Llorean | PortalPlayer wouldn't even dignify me with a response to say "We won't help you" |
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| 12:07:22 | tHEkIND | Maybe they'll understand that rockbox is great for the sells ^^ |
| 12:07:40 | tHEkIND | But rockbox would have to be more famous |
| 12:07:44 | voltagex | I like radio, but I like video and rockboy better |
| 12:08:06 | tHEkIND | Someone will implement re-buffer on mpegplayer soon ? |
| 12:08:29 | Llorean | tHEkIND: Impossible to predict. |
| 12:08:33 | voltagex | NVIDIA® Acquires PortalPlayer® |
| 12:08:33 | voltagex | On January 5th 2007, NVIDIA® Corporation completed its acquisition of PortalPlayer, Inc. a leading supplier of semiconductors, firmware, and software for personal media players (PMPs) and secondary display-enabled computers. |
| 12:08:34 | markun | tHEkIND: someone from #gigabeat wanted to work on it, but I haven't seen him for weeks |
| 12:08:36 | voltagex | there's your problem |
| 12:08:36 | Llorean | voltagex: Then the Gigabeat is a good player for you. |
| 12:08:42 | dan_a_ | I need to see if we can get any PP information out of nvidia |
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| 12:08:46 | Llorean | voltagex: This predates the NVidia acquisition. |
| 12:08:46 | preglow | voltagex: we tried before that happened |
| 12:09:00 | tHEkIND | That's bad cause mpegplayer is really a good thing |
| 12:09:00 | Llorean | NVidia just seems likely to have made it less likely, though. |
| 12:09:12 | preglow | Llorean: you seem to have whatever i plan to say today covered, so i'll just go have a shower ;) |
| 12:09:12 | Llorean | tHEkIND: The primary focus of Rockbox is audio functionality. |
| 12:09:13 | voltagex | Llorean: well Nvidia support open source as far as they have Lunix card drivers :D |
| 12:09:25 | Llorean | preglow: It's spooky. |
| 12:09:32 | Llorean | voltagex: Closed source ones. |
| 12:09:36 | aliask | voltagex: But they're just binaries, not os |
| 12:09:42 | markun | tHEkIND: yes, I would love to be able to watch some videos on a long busride 2 months away.. |
| 12:09:51 | tHEkIND | Llorean -> audio works very well already ! And video is most likely the functionnality that a lots of original firmwares don't have |
| 12:10:00 | voltagex | I don't hold high hopes |
| 12:10:00 | voltagex | so what docs do you need? |
| 12:10:03 | Llorean | tHEkIND: Audio still has a lot of major bugs. |
| 12:10:08 | voltagex | might try them on the phone tomorrow |
| 12:10:12 | Llorean | tHEkIND: Especially in the voice aspect. |
| 12:10:20 | tHEkIND | Yeah sometimes the mp3 decoders bugs |
| 12:10:35 | Llorean | voltagex: Datasheets for the PP5020 series, specifically 21 and 24 I believe, as well as the PP5002 would be nice as well. |
| 12:11:01 | Llorean | tHEkIND: Besides, Rockbox's project focus is on audio functionality. Anyone is welcome to finish MPEGplayer, but it's not being focused on right now. |
| 12:11:45 | decayedcell | Whats the difference between the PP5024 and the PP5022? |
| 12:11:46 | voltagex | can someone email me the questions to ask? I'll try them on the phone tomorrow |
| 12:12:02 | dan_a_ | voltagex: Do they work on Sundays? |
| 12:12:24 | tHEkIND | if(lastbtn & (BUTTON_SCROLL_UP | BUTTON_SCROLL_DOWN)) -> is this meaning if lastbtn == BUTTON_SCROLL_UP || lastbtn == BUTTON_SCROLL_DOWN ????? |
| 12:12:27 | Llorean | decayedcell: The PP5024 is designed for flash based players, and has some unique aspects for that. As well, onboard DAC I believe. |
| 12:12:41 | Llorean | voltagex: Yeah, might want to wait 'till Monday. |
| 12:12:57 | * | linuxstb may be motivated to work on mpegplayer again once his gigabeat arrives |
| 12:13:08 | Llorean | linuxstb: You've ordered one too? |
| 12:13:11 | linuxstb | tHEkIND: No. |
| 12:13:13 | barrywardell | tHEkIND: Yes |
| 12:13:19 | tHEkIND | LOL |
| 12:13:26 | barrywardell | tHEkIND: well, kind of |
| 12:13:31 | tHEkIND | Okay |
| 12:13:40 | linuxstb | The two expressions aren't equivalent. |
| 12:13:47 | barrywardell | tHEkIND: linuxstb was right |
| 12:13:50 | barrywardell | i'm half asleep |
| 12:14:00 | decayedcell | voltagex according to the iPL wiki, PP5002, PP5020, PP5021C-TDF, PP5022 are the iPod ones |
| 12:14:36 | aliask | tHEkIND: But in your head it's the same thing - it's just they way the reading function works |
| 12:14:51 | tHEkIND | I only know operators like == / > / < / <= / >= / != |
| 12:15:06 | Llorean | decayedcell: Yes, but Rockbox isn't only interested in the iPod ones. |
| 12:15:18 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, I won an F20 auction last week, so should be arriving in the next few days. |
| 12:15:28 | nls | PP5024 is sansa, right? |
| 12:15:32 | barrywardell | someone who owns each pp target could check the hardware info screen to see exactly which pp chips they have... |
| 12:15:43 | Llorean | nls: Yes. |
| 12:15:45 | decayedcell | which ones are in the H1xx Llorean? |
| 12:15:58 | Llorean | decayedcell: The H1xx is Coldfire. The H10 though isn't. |
| 12:16:03 | aliask | tHEkIND: Might help to read up about boolean logic |
| 12:16:14 | Llorean | decayedcell: The H10 is the same as the iPod Mini I believe. |
| 12:16:15 | voltagex | hmm make that monday :P |
| 12:16:16 | linuxstb | tHEkIND: And bitwise operators |
| 12:16:21 | decayedcell | Llorean ah okay |
| 12:16:32 | Llorean | decayedcell: MiniG2 I think |
| 12:16:35 | linuxstb | The H10 has a PP5020 - same as 1st gen mini |
| 12:16:38 | decayedcell | Llorean yeah PP5020 |
| 12:16:42 | Llorean | Ah, I was wrong! |
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| 12:16:51 | linuxstb | 2nd gen mini has the PP5022 (the only ipod with it) |
| 12:16:58 | voltagex | holy shit I just lagged for 40+ seconds |
| 12:16:59 | Llorean | I should've remembered it was the 5020, since it suffered the 5020 problem. |
| 12:17:04 | barrywardell | h10 is PP5020D |
| 12:17:17 | Llorean | Has our 5020 problem let up? I haven't heard as many complaints about it. |
| 12:17:31 | Llorean | Or have they all just moved to a noscaling build finally. |
| 12:17:35 | barrywardell | the cop changes seem to have done a lot to fix it |
| 12:17:49 | linuxstb | I think it's a lot better with the COP builds, but I've still experienced a couple of freezes since the commit. |
| 12:17:58 | decayedcell | so whats the difference between the PP5022 and PP5021C-TDF? |
| 12:18:19 | tHEkIND | Okay i understood the & meaning |
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| 12:18:57 | linuxstb | decayedcell: There's a public "product brief" summarising the features of the PP5022, but there isn't one the PP5021, so we don't know the differences. |
| 12:19:29 | * | aliask really wants to win this x60 auction |
| 12:19:55 | barrywardell | what's the difference between the PP5020 and the PP5022? |
| 12:20:11 | preglow | they've probably promised apple not to make it public anyway |
| 12:20:13 | preglow | so good luck on this |
| 12:20:17 | linuxstb | The PP5021/5022 both have 128KB of IRAM, compared to 96KB for the PP5020. I'm not sure of other differences. |
| 12:20:27 | voltagex | so, I ask for a shitload of datasheets :P |
| 12:20:36 | linuxstb | But there must be some, as we experience PP5020-only problems... |
| 12:20:50 | voltagex | hmm, I'll think about it, I'm normally fairly good at talking |
| 12:21:04 | voltagex | just got to work my way up the NVidia chain. |
| 12:21:19 | decayedcell | the PP5021 lakes firewire |
| 12:21:25 | decayedcell | lacks* |
| 12:21:55 | amiconn | pixelma, nls: The codepage problem on the player is that all possible settings are currently available for the player, but a number of them simply doesn't make sense. Setting them causes the unicode layer to correctly translate them, but there are no glyphs for these languages available |
| 12:22:09 | amiconn | This applies, to chinese, korean, thai etc |
| 12:22:37 | nls | amiconn: aha, so the setting is visible, never thought of that :-) |
| 12:22:54 | decayedcell | according to here: http://buin2gou.nyaa.co.uk/ipod/ipodinside.html the PP5021 is just a PP5022 shrunken into TDF package =/ |
| 12:22:55 | nls | so it should be removed from the player builds? |
| 12:23:02 | amiconn | So they should be taken out of the setting *and* the lang file |
| 12:23:30 | amiconn | But the setting should not be removed completely; some values do make or will soon make sense |
| 12:24:17 | nls | amiconn: as I don't understand what you mean, I'll leave it to you :-) |
| 12:24:23 | linuxstb | decayedcell: What makes you think the PP5022 has firewire? |
| 12:25:15 | amiconn | nls: Latin1 and utf-8 make sense right now, because both can be used to represent latin text, which is what the charcell lcd is capable of |
| 12:25:41 | nls | ah, yes of course, I'm a bit hungover today... |
| 12:25:46 | amiconn | With a bit of trickery, it will be possible to support latin2 and hopefully cyrillic and greek |
| 12:26:09 | * | preglow wonders if we have any greek player users |
| 12:26:29 | nls | ok, leave latin1, latin2, utf8 cryllic and greek, remove the rest |
| 12:26:33 | amiconn | preglow: I don't know about any, but I do know that there are russian player users |
| 12:26:45 | decayedcell | linuxstb: it says so on the page I linked above. Also, I do believe the Mini 2G can sync with firewire? |
| 12:26:51 | amiconn | ...which already asked for basic cyrillic support |
| 12:26:53 | linuxstb | Isn't XavierGr Greek? |
| 12:27:11 | nls | but does he have a player? :-P |
| 12:27:11 | pixelma | linuxstb: does he have a Player? ;) |
| 12:27:12 | Llorean | linuxstb: This is a Archos Player 'player' |
| 12:27:25 | barrywardell | PP5022 supports up to 100MHz, where PP5020 only supports 80MHz |
| 12:27:28 | amiconn | decayedcell: Yes. Mini 2G supports firewire |
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| 12:28:02 | Lear | Can you create a (long) FAT filename with a ':' (colon) in it on Linux? I've heard the FAT implementation is a bit relaxed, but is it that relaxed? :) |
| 12:28:24 | amiconn | preglow: What I want to do is to bring the player lcd driver more in line with the bitmap targets, move relevant parts to target tree etc |
| 12:28:38 | amiconn | I also want to get rid of the extra conversion layer |
| 12:29:00 | Lear | It seems like a safe separator to use in the bookmark files, but... |
| 12:29:06 | amiconn | Currently the driver does utf8->latin1->native lcd encoding (old or new detected at runtime) |
| 12:29:37 | amiconn | It should do utf8->native lcd encoding |
| 12:29:42 | nls | Lear: you can create such filenames in rockbox tho :-) |
| 12:29:46 | * | preglow goes to finish asm resampling |
| 12:29:48 | linuxstb | decayedcell: The 5022 product brief doesn't mention firewire (but the 5020 does). |
| 12:30:10 | amiconn | linuxstb: Firewire definitely does work on pp5022 |
| 12:30:13 | amiconn | I tried it |
| 12:30:47 | decayedcell | It wouldn't make sense to exclude it from the product brief though |
| 12:30:49 | Lear | nls: Ugh, that's not allowed, according to the FAT spec I've read... |
| 12:30:50 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, I'm just saying it's external to the pp5022 |
| 12:31:25 | nls | Lear: correct, but we are relaxed :-) (there's a patch for restricting that in the tracker) |
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| 12:32:00 | amiconn | Lear: The colon should be safe as a path separator, as long as we don't have a pc tool for bookmarks which might include a drive letter in the path |
| 12:34:18 | Lear | Well, using DOS-style paths (with backslashes and drive letter) in the bookmark files isn't supported anyway, so it doesn't seem like something to worry about... |
| 12:34:29 | pixelma | nls: I think the M5 isn't taken into account in the patch yet - or did I miss it? |
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| 12:35:05 | nls | pixelma: what do you mean? |
| 12:35:18 | nls | like for using as a target in the lang file? |
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| 12:35:32 | Bagder | austriancoder: did you really send it? I haven't got anything yet... |
| 12:36:32 | voltagex | I'll say it again coz I only got a few model numbers... if I ring NVidia on monday, what exactly do I ask for? |
| 12:36:53 | voltagex | as far as portalplayer goes |
| 12:37:26 | Llorean | voltagex: Any of the iPod ones, or the PP5024 would be of interest. |
| 12:37:42 | Llorean | But the most important thing would just be trying to get them to open up a line of communication with our developers at all |
| 12:38:03 | pixelma | nls: in the lang file there are sometimes target specific strings like "press x to do y" - and there I only see "x5: " |
| 12:38:13 | Lear | Hm, the shortname is checked for bad chars properly, but the long filename isn't checked at all, it seems. |
| 12:38:17 | voltagex | err can I have a rockbox email address to give me some credibility? :D |
| 12:38:51 | Llorean | I don't believe we have Rockbox email addresses. |
| 12:39:34 | nls | pixelma: yes, correct, the m5 port came after that, but using m5 in such a place should work, it's just not done yet |
| 12:39:38 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxOrgEmail |
| 12:39:46 | pixelma | nls: maybe for the M5 it is already covered with it - it just has a misleading name currently (?) |
| 12:40:09 | voltagex | Badger Badger Badger Mushroom Mushroom! thanks. |
| 12:40:15 | Bagder | voltagex: but I doubt rockbox gives any bonus points when talking to these guys |
| 12:40:15 | Llorean | Bagder: Nifty |
| 12:40:28 | Llorean | Bagder: Someone once brought up the idea of having a press@rockbox.org address someone could monitor to help those writing articles communicate with us, did you ever see that or have any interest in it? |
| 12:40:35 | voltagex | true, but it's better than voltagex@gmail.com |
| 12:40:50 | voltagex | can I have voltagex@rockbox.org ? |
| 12:40:55 | voltagex | oh wait, there's the address |
| 12:41:05 | Bagder | Llorean: I could easily fix an alias for it |
| 12:41:08 | voltagex | page finally loaded |
| 12:41:52 | Llorean | Bagder: I'd be more than happy to accept email forwarded from such an address, so that hopefully we can have a bit better relationship with future articles. |
| 12:42:45 | aliask | How would I go about getting one forwarded to my gmail account? |
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| 12:43:27 | voltagex | considered doing a show for binrev radio? That'd garner the interest of a few more potential devs |
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| 12:46:53 | preglow | ooh |
| 12:46:55 | Bagder | aliask: tell me your preferred email and forward address in a PM |
| 12:46:56 | preglow | rockbox.org mail |
| 12:47:05 | dan_a_ | aegray: You had a question earlier about the i.mx31... barrywardell has done a bit of work on the USB |
| 12:47:10 | preglow | Bagder: can i too? :) |
| 12:47:15 | Bagder | go ahead! |
| 12:47:36 | barrywardell | aegray: yes, I have done some work on it - started a driver |
| 12:47:37 | voltagex | ergh, I'm lagging |
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| 12:48:30 | voltagex | testing 123! |
| 12:51:09 | voltagex | Bagder: I sent an email to that email@rockbox address |
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| 12:57:01 | dan_a_ | RESULT! |
| 12:57:07 | Bagder | yay |
| 12:57:41 | aliask | Result? |
| 12:57:44 | preglow | sound?!?? |
| 12:57:55 | aliask | SOUND!? |
| 12:57:55 | voltagex | yay |
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| 12:58:14 | dan_a_ | Gentlemen, I have a horribly distorted version of "My face, your ass" by Lambchop playing in my right ear |
| 12:58:19 | Llorean | Hahaha |
| 12:58:23 | * | Llorean does the SOUND!!! dance. |
| 12:58:30 | voltagex | ROTFLMAO |
| 12:58:46 | voltagex | shoulda played the hamster dance for the first song |
| 12:58:50 | Bagder | distortion is cool! ;-P |
| 12:59:02 | * | pixelma feels excluded from the fun ;) |
| 12:59:18 | aliask | dan_a: I found that quite amusing as this is what I thought of: http://www.classicmedia.tv/assets/circles/lambchop.gif |
| 12:59:42 | dan_a_ | hahaha |
| 12:59:45 | Llorean | aliask: Frighteningly enough, that was my first thought too. |
| 13:00 |
| 13:00:05 | aliask | I had a nightmare about that damn animal thing the other week. Scary stuff. |
| 13:00:37 | Bagder | pixelma: time to buy another target then! |
| 13:00:41 | dan_a_ | Now I just need to get sound in two ears, hopefully without distortion |
| 13:01:07 | pixelma | Bagder: I was referring to the "Gentlemen"... |
| 13:01:12 | Bagder | oh |
| 13:01:16 | Llorean | dan_a_: Did you see in the logs that it might be the voice thread that is lockstepping the audio thread on the coprocessor? |
| 13:01:25 | dan_a_ | Ladies: I have sound! |
| 13:01:34 | Bagder | pixelma: I recall Christi saying something like that in the past too... |
| 13:01:35 | pixelma | :D thanks! |
| 13:02:17 | * | safetydan wonders what madman wrote vorbisfile.c |
| 13:02:28 | dan_a_ | Llorean: I did. I had tried running with the voice turned off, which hadn't helped. Do people think that the best solution will be to move the voice thread over to the COP? |
| 13:02:29 | safetydan | and woo on sound :) |
| 13:02:56 | dan_a_ | I'll hold off on committing, though - I think austriancoder should get first shot at that |
| 13:03:34 | Llorean | dan_a_: I dunno. But it seems that the voice thread is unusually active even with off, if a voice file is present. |
| 13:03:38 | Llorean | But that's on all targets |
| 13:04:18 | preglow | dan_a_: looking forward to first gender neutral gentleman mail :P |
| 13:04:51 | safetydan | gentlepeople? |
| 13:04:55 | dan_a_ | I hope that logbot didn't feel excluded either |
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| 13:04:55 | Llorean | 'Folk' |
| 13:05:28 | Sanitarium | wow...just..WOW. Rockbox has changed alot since I last used it. Good work guys. And thank you |
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| 13:09:52 | barrywardell | austriancoder: can you send me the as3514 datasheet too, please? barry(dot)wardell(at)gmail(dot)com |
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| 13:12:24 | barrywardell | Bagder: I have a question about TIME_AFTER. In what sense is it wrap-safe? |
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| 13:14:13 | Bagder | because of it counting the numbers as signed? |
| 13:14:33 | barrywardell | Bagder: I'm thinking in terms of this fix for USEC_TIMER wrapping: http://pastebin.ca/379203 |
| 13:14:39 | barrywardell | would they be useful? |
| 13:14:55 | JdGordon | pondlife: hey |
| 13:15:33 | pondlife | ho |
| 13:15:45 | JdGordon | you reverted my code this arvo? |
| 13:15:50 | JdGordon | or yesterday? |
| 13:16:00 | pondlife | I didn't revert anything AFAIK |
| 13:16:17 | JdGordon | yeah, you unsimplified my simplified previous browser code |
| 13:16:33 | pondlife | Ah, it didn't work |
| 13:16:33 | JdGordon | it didnt? |
| 13:16:33 | preglow | Bagder: do you think we could just check the Target: line in `gcc -v` for x86_64 to apply the patch in rockboxdev.sh? |
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| 13:16:49 | pondlife | No. If you went into the Database from the menu, it didn't set previous_browser |
| 13:17:20 | JdGordon | oh, ok then |
| 13:17:20 | pondlife | So you return to the file browser (and could then get a nice crash) |
| 13:17:29 | Bagder | preglow: yes I think we can, but that requires an existing (recent) gcc to invoke |
| 13:17:36 | pondlife | This was also why my DB auto-init stuff was stuffed |
| 13:17:48 | pondlife | JdGordon: Please test what I've done though |
| 13:17:52 | preglow | Bagder: well, you need that to compile the compilers anyway, so i don't see the problem |
| 13:17:59 | Bagder | right |
| 13:18:53 | JdGordon | pondlife: tomorow if I get a chacne... I thought my code worked.. but i belive you if you say otherwise :p |
| 13:19:10 | pondlife | :p back atcha |
| 13:19:16 | Bagder | barrywardell: I think you could simplify it by using the TIME_AFTER macro |
| 13:20:35 | * | JdGordon wants a bigger screen on his h300... some of the 5g wps's look awesome |
| 13:21:17 | Bagder | barrywardell: something similar to http://pastebin.ca/388946 |
| 13:23:11 | barrywardell | Bagder: how does that compensate for USEC_TIMER wrapping around to 0 after 2^32? |
| 13:23:50 | Bagder | when counting them as signed, they wrap to negative after 2^31 |
| 13:24:04 | barrywardell | ahhh, I see now |
| 13:24:23 | barrywardell | i couldn't make sense of that before, thanks! |
| 13:26:01 | JdGordon | dan_a_: bit late, but congrats on the sound :) |
| 13:26:17 | dan_a_ | JdGordon: Thank you! Has your Sansa arrived yet? |
| 13:26:20 | tHEkIND | Can someone explain me how to only compile a rock ? |
| 13:26:22 | JdGordon | not yet |
| 13:26:24 | tHEkIND | Under cygwin |
| 13:26:42 | JdGordon | its somewhere between germany and aus as we speak :p |
| 13:26:44 | Bagder | tHEkIND: it isn't possible unless you edit a few SOURCES files or similar |
| 13:26:45 | nls | tHEkIND: you cant |
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| 13:27:38 | aliask | JdGordon: Ordered a sansa from overseas? |
| 13:27:45 | tHEkIND | It means if i try to create something, each time i want to test it i'll need to spend 15 minutes compiling eaverything ? |
| 13:28:15 | aliask | tHEkIND: Just type make again, it detects the changes and builds only what it needs to |
| 13:28:18 | Bagder | tHEkIND: get a (vmware) linux dev environment instead ;-) |
| 13:28:36 | petur | tHEkIND: make will only build changed files |
| 13:28:43 | tHEkIND | Okayyyy |
| 13:28:44 | tHEkIND | Thanks |
| 13:30:18 | tHEkIND | I can't use vmware -> my keyboard is an azerty and debian is in qwerty, and i didn't found how to change that |
| 13:30:28 | Bagder | haha |
| 13:30:33 | tHEkIND | anyway cygwin works nicely |
| 13:30:44 | Bagder | awerty is crazy |
| 13:30:53 | tHEkIND | ^^ |
| 13:31:03 | JdGordon | tHEkIND: just change the keybaord setup in the vmware image? |
| 13:31:05 | tHEkIND | make works well |
| 13:31:14 | tHEkIND | Didn't managed to do it |
| 13:31:20 | tHEkIND | Cygwin works well now ^^ |
| 13:33:14 | barrywardell | grrr. should really have tested again before that commit! |
| 13:33:59 | * | Bagder feels a bit guilty but only a bit |
| 13:35:14 | barrywardell | the mistake was my own-forgot to #include kernel.h |
| 13:36:17 | preglow | awerty?? |
| 13:36:21 | preglow | never even heard of that |
| 13:36:23 | amiconn | wow, 4269 points... |
| 13:36:53 | JdGordon | I could get that without even trying :p |
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| 13:36:56 | nls | I was thinking about moving the playlist catalog directory configuration thing that no-one uses and that isn't documented into the regular settings but still not show it in the menu, what do people think about that? |
| 13:37:43 | JdGordon | along similar lines, I wanted to make the recording setting actually choosable, and not just current or /recording .. any objections? |
| 13:37:44 | amiconn | JdGordon: Did you see my report regarding browser behaviour in the log? |
| 13:37:50 | JdGordon | no |
| 13:38:06 | JdGordon | is that what pondlife fixed? |
| 13:38:12 | pondlife | Or broke? |
| 13:38:18 | JdGordon | on or the other :p |
| 13:38:20 | JdGordon | one* |
| 13:38:26 | amiconn | nope |
| 13:38:32 | JdGordon | time? |
| 13:38:33 | barrywardell | it's getting much easier to get high scores with all the new targets |
| 13:38:34 | amiconn | It's behaviour I observed today |
| 13:38:35 | pondlife | amiconn: What was it? Player icons? |
| 13:38:54 | amiconn | No, cursor position when switching file browser <-> db browser |
| 13:39:03 | pondlife | Ah, that's been broken for a while |
| 13:39:16 | JdGordon | amiconn: it not remmebering in the db but it does in the tree? |
| 13:39:18 | amiconn | Today, starting 09:17 cet |
| 13:39:19 | JdGordon | file* |
| 13:39:24 | pondlife | JdGordon and I discussed it last week |
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| 13:40:09 | pondlife | JdGordon: Can you look into it perhaps? Don't think I've got much time (again). |
| 13:40:17 | JdGordon | Slasheri: hey, do you know if tc->selected_item is ever updated (or when?) in the db browser? |
| 13:40:31 | * | JdGordon doesnt think it is, which causes this problem |
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| 13:41:32 | amiconn | JdGordon: I think that neither browser should change the current position in the other |
| 13:41:41 | JdGordon | of course |
| 13:41:44 | amiconn | Both browsers need their own current postion |
| 13:42:07 | pondlife | Anyone know what the keymap is for the Player sim? |
| 13:42:09 | JdGordon | imo they should each have a context for their settings, not this silly shared one |
| 13:42:19 | pondlife | Yes |
| 13:42:22 | Slasheri | JdGordon: hi, that should be updated outside of the db browser automatically |
| 13:42:37 | JdGordon | does the db actually use that setting? |
| 13:42:48 | JdGordon | I didnt want to play with that before asking.. |
| 13:42:54 | Slasheri | yes, i will check |
| 13:43:01 | JdGordon | thanks |
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| 13:43:38 | Slasheri | JdGordon: for example tagtree_enter(), dptr = tagtree_get_entry(c, c->selected_item); |
| 13:43:56 | Slasheri | tagtree_get_filename(), and so on |
| 13:44:05 | Slasheri | it's widely used to get the current selected item |
| 13:44:12 | JdGordon | ok |
| 13:45:42 | pondlife | Slasheri: Could you take a quick look at my 3 line patch - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6785 |
| 13:45:43 | JdGordon | AH, ok, just looking through tree.c now.. It seems I missed where it gets set.. Should be a relativly easy fix |
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| 13:46:09 | preglow | amiconn: do you know of a clever way to clear the top sixteen bits in a reg with arm? |
| 13:46:42 | pondlife | Slasheri: It just does an occasional yield() during the database sort, to reduce the apparent lockup when committing. |
| 13:47:01 | Slasheri | pondlife: yes, that looks good |
| 13:47:14 | pondlife | Arbitrary I know, but not too inefficient I hope. |
| 13:47:25 | pondlife | Seems to make a nice difference |
| 13:47:37 | Slasheri | but code doesn't look very clear when you rely that the counter will wrap to zero |
| 13:47:41 | Llorean | dan_a_: You do realize telling _them_ that you got sound is just going to flood a series of "Why isn't it in SVN yet?" questions. |
| 13:47:51 | pondlife | Hmm, I was trying to keep code size down |
| 13:48:01 | Slasheri | better to explicitly check some value of the counter and then reset it |
| 13:48:11 | pondlife | Would it be better to make the source readable and hope that gcc optimises it |
| 13:48:15 | Slasheri | or check current_tick to sleep at fixed points in time |
| 13:48:18 | voltagex | dan_a_: what have I missed? did you get stereo? |
| 13:48:22 | pondlife | Ah, that's a better idea |
| 13:48:44 | dan_a_ | Llorean: I'm just going to tell them it's 'cos I'm a bastard! |
| 13:48:46 | JdGordon | Slasheri: any idea how to implement psuedo paths and/or set_current_file() for the db? |
| 13:48:56 | dan_a_ | voltagex: No stereo yet, no. |
| 13:49:07 | Llorean | dan_a_: Ah, well if that's the plan, I'm perfectly happy with it. "Yeah, I got it working, but y'know... I just decided I'm not the sharing sort." |
| 13:49:20 | Slasheri | pondlife: however, keep in mind also that __PCTOOL__ does not require yielding, so just ifdef it also |
| 13:49:22 | pondlife | OK |
| 13:49:29 | voltagex | Llorean: screw open source! |
| 13:49:39 | Slasheri | JdGordon: nope |
| 13:49:39 | dan_a_ | I'll put a video up on Youtube, but then tell them that since they kept on asking for it I deleted it all... |
| 13:50:01 | JdGordon | Slasheri: :( it would make things a bit nicer... but oh well :p |
| 13:50:02 | Llorean | Hahaha |
| 13:50:20 | JdGordon | pondlife: yeah, it was an easy fix... |
| 13:50:28 | Slasheri | pseudo path probably needs to be a more complex path with the context for each entry |
| 13:50:58 | Slasheri | to work with the db.. but you are free to implement it if you can find out a great solution :) |
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| 13:51:26 | pondlife | Hmm, where is HZ defined for each target? |
| 13:51:42 | Slasheri | pondlife: sure |
| 13:51:47 | preglow | pondlife: kernel.h |
| 13:51:52 | preglow | pondlife: it's global for all targets |
| 13:51:58 | JdGordon | HZ isnt the same for all targets? |
| 13:51:59 | Slasheri | ups, missed where :) |
| 13:52:00 | pondlife | Ah, ok. I thought it might vary |
| 13:52:29 | Slasheri | pondlife: it might, but currently it does not |
| 13:52:31 | Bagder | we should still work with the assumption that it may vary |
| 13:52:33 | pixelma | Slasheri: easier and faster to ask you... do I remember correctly that "auto-update" only works with tagcache in RAM and/or dircache? (I don't know the wiki didn't tell me much) |
| 13:52:34 | pondlife | Indeed |
| 13:53:25 | pondlife | Would "if ((current_tick % (HZ/4))== 0) yield()" result in a yield 4 times a second |
| 13:53:39 | Slasheri | pixelma: at least dircache is required to detect deleted files automatically (i don't remember if tagcache in ram was necessary also) |
| 13:54:12 | Slasheri | pondlife: about |
| 13:54:17 | Slasheri | unless we miss some ticks |
| 13:54:27 | Slasheri | but that is unlikely to happen |
| 13:54:35 | pixelma | ah thanks... so this lang string can be excluded for Archos... |
| 13:54:44 | Slasheri | yes |
| 13:54:54 | pondlife | OK, the compare is called very often. |
| 13:55:28 | Slasheri | and i am not sure how efficient the modulo operation is to be called very often |
| 13:55:38 | pondlife | Me neither. |
| 13:55:45 | obo | changing the value of HZ leads to some "interesting" results :) |
| 13:56:02 | JdGordon | out of sync audio? what else? |
| 13:56:07 | preglow | should work fine, shouldn't it? |
| 13:56:28 | obo | audio was fine - but all the menu timings were out (this was before the rework) |
| 13:56:37 | Slasheri | JdGordon: audio is not going out of sync |
| 13:56:48 | obo | so trying to navigate with HZ=1000 meant some very short button taps |
| 13:56:57 | barrywardell | grrr. that's what I get for only testing bootloader builds before committing |
| 13:56:58 | Slasheri | the codec has own clock for it |
| 13:57:12 | JdGordon | oh, cool |
| 13:57:38 | Slasheri | HZ is dependent of the configured interrupt timer tick interval |
| 13:58:13 | Slasheri | and the timer frequency should be a compromise between high resolution and performance |
| 13:59:06 | obo | there were quite a few places that do sleeps with hard coded values, IIRC things like the ata code |
| 13:59:24 | Slasheri | obo: but those are sleep(1), aren't they? |
| 13:59:35 | Slasheri | that is the smallest sleep possible |
| 13:59:37 | JdGordon | pondlife: did you fix 6763? |
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| 14:00:00 | obo | Slasheri: mostly... but I thought sleep always added 1 anyway? |
| 14:00:01 | pondlife | Yes |
| 14:00:18 | pondlife | And now closed |
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| 14:00:39 | Slasheri | obo: and sleep(1) is better than yield() if we really are going to _sleep_ shortly and not just intend to switch threads |
| 14:00:57 | Slasheri | obo: true.. sleep(0) could be even better |
| 14:01:15 | Lear | JdGordon: Regarding FS 6747, calling display->set_margins once would be a bit more efficient... :) |
| 14:01:48 | Lear | That's what the screen_set_?margin macros do, calling get?margin on the "other" value... |
| 14:01:52 | Slasheri | obo: of course, sleep() does not guarantee a sleep but makes it possible if there are no other threads in the list of running tasks |
| 14:01:53 | JdGordon | ah yes... hmm |
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| 14:02:41 | Lear | Only a few bytes, but still... |
| 14:03:26 | pondlife | Slasheri: How about this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=13429 |
| 14:03:53 | JdGordon | Lear: cheers, yeah a few bytes, and a couple times /s adds up |
| 14:03:56 | pondlife | I know we'll miss a wrap round, but it's not critical |
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| 14:05:17 | Slasheri | pondlife: that looks better, but it still can be improved a bit :) |
| 14:05:24 | pondlife | Go on.. |
| 14:05:32 | Slasheri | last_tick can be wake_up_tick |
| 14:05:46 | pondlife | Ah, don't + so much |
| 14:05:58 | Slasheri | if (current_tick >= wake_up_tick) { wake_up_tick = current_tick + HZ/4; yield(); 0 |
| 14:06:01 | Slasheri | } |
| 14:06:03 | Slasheri | yep :) |
| 14:06:56 | barrywardell | hmmm. why isn't HAVE_LIMITS_H defined for libmad? |
| 14:07:01 | pondlife | OK... and I'll commit that once I've tested the timing |
| 14:07:10 | Slasheri | pondlife: great |
| 14:07:42 | JdGordon | builds are slow tonight ? or am i just more imp[atient than normal |
| 14:08:13 | Slasheri | pondlife: probably you should yield a bit more offen, like HZ/16 |
| 14:08:33 | Slasheri | then priority scheduling should do rest |
| 14:08:38 | pondlife | OK, I'll play |
| 14:08:42 | Slasheri | :) |
| 14:08:55 | pondlife | Don't want to overdo it and slow down the qsort |
| 14:09:17 | pondlife | Just want to remove that "Rockbox has locked" experience |
| 14:09:40 | Lear | jdgordon: a little perhaps. Used to be 6-7 minutes, but that was with fewer targets. |
| 14:10:29 | pondlife | Slasheri: I'd be grateful if you could also check my root_menu.c tests that are used to decide if it would be a good idea to ask the user to init their db. |
| 14:10:57 | pondlife | Don't want to cause any unnecessary inits. |
| 14:11:04 | Slasheri | pondlife: i will soon |
| 14:12:02 | pondlife | Maybe the init now/update now options should be moved from settings into debug...? |
| 14:12:30 | pondlife | (And I could update rather than init if that's detectable.) |
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| 14:15:14 | Slasheri | pondlife: hmm, how would you update the db (manually) then? |
| 14:15:35 | Slasheri | is user does not want to use the auto-update |
| 14:16:00 | pondlife | Good point...They don't want to be prompted do they? |
| 14:16:24 | Slasheri | probably not prompted _every_ time they enter to the db browser =) |
| 14:17:42 | nls | pondlife: I think the initialize now function should be moved to debug menu now as it is easier to do it the new way and many people are confused by it and first click initialize and the try to update and the wonder why it doesn't work |
| 14:18:02 | Slasheri | indeed |
| 14:18:26 | pondlife | Yes, I spotted this confusion, hence the new approach. |
| 14:18:28 | Slasheri | and accidentally clicking "initialize now" isn't good thing either as it erases the entire db if exist |
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| 14:19:12 | nls | yes, and it should only be necessary once unless the database gets corrupted by some bug ;-) |
| 14:19:31 | dan_a_ | Does anyone know of an easy way to graph which functions get called by other functions in Rockbox? Either with a Windows tool or a Linux one? |
| 14:20:20 | Slasheri | dan_a_: hmm, not sure but you could check some C source code analyzer utilities |
| 14:20:46 | pondlife | JdGordon: root_menu.c has this previous_music variable, so that PLAY can go back to either WPS or radio. I thought it was decided that PLAY would not go to radio? |
| 14:20:59 | petur | doesn't doxygen do this? |
| 14:21:00 | pondlife | i.e. PLAY always goes to WPS |
| 14:21:26 | JdGordon | pondlife: no, the now playing item always goes to wps.. play goes to previous tho |
| 14:21:45 | pondlife | Ah, ok. Should perhaps recording be covered by this variable too then? |
| 14:21:53 | JdGordon | perhaps |
| 14:22:34 | pondlife | The browsers seem to remember better now by the way, thanks |
| 14:22:37 | Slasheri | pondlife: i will remove that readyvalid and move initialized to the correct place |
| 14:22:48 | JdGordon | :) |
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| 14:23:02 | pondlife | Slasheri: I tried that, it slowed down bootup |
| 14:23:08 | Slasheri | oh.. |
| 14:23:25 | Slasheri | ah, yes |
| 14:23:28 | pondlife | Although you could probably remove that check now the root_menu does it anyway |
| 14:23:30 | Slasheri | i will think that |
| 14:23:39 | JdGordon | dont yield at all if its updating because of a bootup |
| 14:24:07 | pondlife | If you select Database whilst it's initing, it will now just display "Database is not ready" until it becomes ready.. |
| 14:24:21 | pondlife | Well, that's the intention. |
| 14:24:38 | pondlife | So no need to wait as part of general bootup |
| 14:24:40 | Slasheri | pondlife: so it no longer displayes the current progress? |
| 14:25:07 | pondlife | Depends. It does that if it's initializing the db. I meant initialising the thread |
| 14:25:14 | Slasheri | ah! |
| 14:25:17 | Slasheri | then that's ok |
| 14:25:26 | pondlife | The two meanings of initialise that had me so confused. |
| 14:25:50 | nls | pondlife: does that work ok when setting the db browser as start screen? |
| 14:25:54 | pondlife | Yes |
| 14:26:00 | nls | nice :-) |
| 14:26:08 | pondlife | It all drops out in the wash, so to speak |
| 14:26:27 | pondlife | Assuming my tests on the database stats are correct, of course! |
| 14:27:05 | Slasheri | :) |
| 14:27:07 | nls | there was a bug with it when starting and the database thread was initializing and it would say not ready and drop you in the main menu |
| 14:27:30 | pondlife | It will now come up "Not ready" and wait until it is ready (or the user presses STOP) |
| 14:27:41 | pondlife | But it's pretty quick |
| 14:27:58 | nls | aha, that is much nicer :-) |
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| 14:31:55 | pondlife | Slasheri: When committing, what else locks in tagcache.c for a while (aside from qsort)? |
| 14:32:00 | pondlife | File writing? |
| 14:32:23 | Slasheri | pondlife: no other things should lock, there should be already yields in other loops |
| 14:32:32 | pondlife | It's better with the sort yields, but still not ideal |
| 14:32:45 | pondlife | HZ/20 and HZ/4 feel the same, btw. |
| 14:32:49 | Slasheri | hmm |
| 14:32:55 | Slasheri | weird |
| 14:33:25 | preglow | don't people fucking check what features we have before requesting anymore? |
| 14:33:35 | pondlife | Disk writes have an implicit yield, right? |
| 14:33:39 | Slasheri | pondlife: try HZ/100 |
| 14:33:45 | pondlife | OK! |
| 14:33:53 | Slasheri | that shouldn't be too often to affect the performance |
| 14:33:58 | pondlife | Every tick |
| 14:34:02 | pondlife | (at the moment) |
| 14:34:10 | Slasheri | hmm, yes |
| 14:34:35 | Slasheri | audio codecs yield/sleep also very often |
| 14:35:13 | pondlife | I'm just navigating the main menu for my test. If it locks for more than 10 seconds that is regarded as bad |
| 14:35:53 | amiconn | JdGordon: Hmm, it seems an old action bug is back now :( |
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| 14:36:33 | JdGordon | which? |
| 14:37:00 | amiconn | If you are in a plugin that has a menu with a 'Quit' option, and you invoke this option with 'Right', the plugin exits - only to make the plugin browser immediately call it again |
| 14:37:19 | amiconn | Just observed on H1x0 |
| 14:37:36 | pondlife | That was working yesterday, is it a brand new bug? |
| 14:37:39 | amiconn | Strangely enough that doesn't happen when invoking Quit with 'Select' |
| 14:37:55 | pondlife | Ah, I might have used Select |
| 14:38:06 | JdGordon | just needs an action_signalscreenchange() then |
| 14:38:22 | amiconn | I often use Right instead of Select to avoid the loud (mechanical) click |
| 14:38:43 | pondlife | Ah, yes H1x0 |
| 14:38:46 | JdGordon | amiconn: which plugin? |
| 14:38:54 | amiconn | Solitaire |
| 14:38:58 | pondlife | Also try brickmania |
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| 14:39:20 | JdGordon | hmm.. yeah, its here alos |
| 14:39:23 | JdGordon | also even |
| 14:39:40 | Slasheri | i always press the select using both thumbs and cloves to prevent that annoying click :) |
| 14:39:42 | * | JdGordon hates plugins with splash screens |
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| 14:40:14 | JdGordon | should plugin_load() do the signalscreenchange call or the plugin browser? |
| 14:40:21 | pondlife | Slasheri: HZ/100 is just the same |
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| 14:40:37 | Slasheri | pondlife: hmm, then it must be something else.. |
| 14:40:37 | pondlife | I need to do some profiling I guess |
| 14:40:51 | Slasheri | pondlife: the disk is not active when the locking happens? |
| 14:41:05 | JdGordon | is the cpu being boosted? |
| 14:41:10 | Slasheri | yes |
| 14:41:16 | pondlife | Slasheri: I think so |
| 14:41:24 | pondlife | i.e. I think the disk is active |
| 14:41:29 | Slasheri | pondlife: then there are really not many places to cause that |
| 14:41:53 | Slasheri | pondlife: try putting much yields to the loops between that qsort to see if it helps |
| 14:47:04 | pondlife | Hmm, if I initialise the database, there's a period where it can be browsed before it gets invalidated. |
| 14:47:30 | Slasheri | pondlife: it is valid until the committing begins |
| 14:47:53 | Slasheri | during that time, database can't be accessed |
| 14:48:12 | pondlife | So it writes to temp files? |
| 14:48:40 | pondlife | Even better is there a wiki to explain the process, and how RAM/disk options affect it. |
| 14:48:47 | Slasheri | yep. at first it generates a temporary db about the files to be added to the db and then that file is committed |
| 14:49:01 | preglow | amiconn: do you know of a clever way to clear the top sixteen bits in a reg with arm? |
| 14:49:11 | Slasheri | pondlife: the diagram at beginning of tagcache.c explains it a bit |
| 14:49:12 | preglow | preferably one instruction :> |
| 14:49:17 | pondlife | So the commit is a delete/rename? |
| 14:49:38 | Slasheri | no, it's much more |
| 14:50:15 | pondlife | Why? We could reduce database downtime maybe? |
| 14:50:32 | Slasheri | during commit all referred string indexes are resorted, and lookup id's re-assigned |
| 14:51:12 | Slasheri | hmm, the downtime is only a few seconds if just a few files are added.. |
| 14:51:32 | Slasheri | but indeed, it _could_ be reduced to zero |
| 14:52:14 | Slasheri | but that needs copying all database files for the commit to operate with them, then remove the old ones and rename |
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| 14:52:33 | Slasheri | pondlife: not sure if that really is necessary |
| 14:52:39 | pondlife | Probably not |
| 14:52:46 | Slasheri | makes just code more complex and slower |
| 14:53:08 | JdGordon | amiconn: ok fixed |
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| 14:53:21 | JdGordon | this fix should have been done back in august tho :p |
| 14:53:34 | Stefan | hello |
| 14:55:15 | pondlife | OK, the lockup is in the "Generate reverse lookup entries" loop |
| 14:55:34 | pondlife | Putting a timed yield in there fixes it. |
| 14:55:52 | Slasheri | pondlife: build_index() is the most important function during the commit, and probably the largest and complex one in the tagcache :) |
| 14:56:11 | pondlife | Well, I'm peepholing it... |
| 14:56:21 | Slasheri | pondlife: ah, sounds good. so probably yield in both compare and that loop would be good |
| 14:56:28 | Slasheri | it might be good idea to create a function of that timed yield |
| 14:56:35 | pondlife | Yep, just did that! |
| 14:56:39 | Slasheri | nice :) |
| 14:56:59 | Slasheri | pondlife: then it could be called in other placed too! |
| 14:57:11 | Slasheri | to replace almost all yields in tagcache.c with that one |
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| 14:57:51 | pondlife | Put the #ifndef __PCTOOL__ outside the function call I assume... |
| 14:58:27 | Slasheri | pondlife: just surround the whole function with that ifdef |
| 14:58:55 | Slasheri | and ifdef it as empty define if __PCTOO__ is defined |
| 14:58:57 | pondlife | Yes, I meant not to bother with any yields at all on the __PCTOOL__ |
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| 14:59:08 | pondlife | There are some that are done |
| 14:59:09 | Slasheri | ok :) |
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| 14:59:50 | pondlife | Ah, I see - they're already #defined out |
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| 15:00:20 | JdGordon | why not put that timed yield in misc.c so they whole apps can use it? |
| 15:00:28 | JdGordon | or even redefined yield to it? |
| 15:00:40 | pondlife | Urgh, side effects? |
| 15:00:51 | JdGordon | hmm.. yeah, scratch thats 2nd line |
| 15:00:55 | Slasheri | yield should not be redefined |
| 15:00:58 | pondlife | Timing needs lots of testing. |
| 15:01:21 | Slasheri | but for some other apps it might be useful as well |
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| 15:02:38 | Slasheri | pondlife: for example find_entry_ram() that counter could be removed too and replaced with the timed yield |
| 15:02:45 | pondlife | Just did that |
| 15:02:48 | Slasheri | great :) |
| 15:03:03 | pondlife | Made my fn return true if it actually yielded... |
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| 15:04:34 | rp- | hello |
| 15:04:54 | rp- | dan_a: where is the patch? :) |
| 15:05:45 | dan_a_ | rp-: There's still lots to do - I seem to keep losing I2S sync. |
| 15:07:38 | rp- | i2s isn't covered very mutch in the datasheet |
| 15:07:41 | rp- | -t |
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| 15:08:25 | pondlife | Slasheri: Nothing to do with my mods, but the first Initialize Now I do always completes really quickly (<10 seconds). Sound like an Update Now...? |
| 15:09:11 | pondlife | It just counts up from 0-100% quickly, with no committing. |
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| 15:09:46 | Slasheri | hmm, then it does just the updating instead of initialization.. weird |
| 15:10:09 | pondlife | First time after I boot up.... |
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| 15:10:32 | Slasheri | pondlife: initialize now should call tagcache_rebuild |
| 15:10:41 | Slasheri | first thing that function does is to remove all db files |
| 15:10:54 | pondlife | I have load to ram and auto update enabled. |
| 15:11:10 | Slasheri | hmm, it should also disable the db |
| 15:11:37 | Slasheri | pondlife: or maybe you didn't wait long enough for the auto update to run? |
| 15:11:46 | Slasheri | and the initialize command got queued |
| 15:11:57 | pondlife | Aha |
| 15:11:59 | pondlife | That's it |
| 15:12:13 | pondlife | Maybe the initialise should clear any updates from the head of the queue? |
| 15:13:11 | Slasheri | hmm, maybe. it should somehow stop the current operation first |
| 15:13:44 | tHEkIND_ | What is "GPIOD_OUTPUT_VAL" ? |
| 15:14:40 | Slasheri | sounds like GPIO port D output buffer register |
| 15:15:04 | Slasheri | which contains the value of the port D |
| 15:15:30 | tHEkIND_ | what's on port d ^^ |
| 15:15:31 | Slasheri | ups, which is used to put the output value to the buffer |
| 15:15:39 | Slasheri | input register would contain the value |
| 15:15:47 | tHEkIND_ | okay i see |
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| 15:16:00 | Slasheri | tHEkIND_: depends on the target |
| 15:16:14 | tHEkIND_ | I'vee seen on i/o ports |
| 15:16:24 | Slasheri | processor data sheet should contain information how the I/O port D is connected to the pins |
| 15:16:34 | tHEkIND_ | If you touch the scrollpad on an H10, port D changes from FF to df |
| 15:16:36 | Slasheri | well, that is an I/O port |
| 15:16:49 | tHEkIND_ | FD actually |
| 15:16:55 | tHEkIND_ | DD to FD |
| 15:16:58 | Slasheri | then scrollpad is connected to port D |
| 15:16:58 | tHEkIND_ | And |
| 15:17:30 | tHEkIND_ | What's that difference beetween |= and = |
| 15:17:30 | tHEkIND_ | ? |
| 15:17:34 | pondlife | Slasheri: OK, yielding commit patch is now on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6785 |
| 15:17:36 | tHEkIND_ | and &=~ |
| 15:17:56 | Slasheri | |= is same as value = value | something; |
| 15:18:06 | Slasheri | those are binary or, and, not operations |
| 15:18:07 | pondlife | Hmm, I would seriously learn C before you play with I/O ports. |
| 15:18:12 | Slasheri | true |
| 15:18:31 | tHEkIND_ | I'm only modifying how rockbox decodes |
| 15:18:36 | tHEkIND_ | Nothing more |
| 15:18:44 | Slasheri | decodes what? |
| 15:18:51 | tHEkIND_ | The scrollpad |
| 15:19:20 | tHEkIND_ | Now, rockbox goes up if you touch the top of the scrollpad |
| 15:19:30 | Slasheri | pondlife: hmm, compare() does not use the timed yield function, is that intended? |
| 15:19:30 | tHEkIND_ | And goes down if you touch the bottom |
| 15:19:37 | tHEkIND_ | And is buggy on the middle |
| 15:19:50 | pondlife | Oops |
| 15:20:00 | Slasheri | pondlife: otherwise it looks ok to commit :) |
| 15:20:24 | pondlife | Can you test that the PC tool builds? |
| 15:20:28 | pondlife | Or can I? |
| 15:20:36 | Slasheri | just cd tools && make database |
| 15:22:10 | pondlife | I get "cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-iquote"" |
| 15:22:17 | pondlife | Lots of times |
| 15:22:32 | Slasheri | hmm, you have a _very_ old host compiler? =) |
| 15:23:00 | pondlife | gcc version 3.4.4 (cygming special, gdc 0.12, using dmd 0.125) |
| 15:23:18 | pondlife | Cygwin-based |
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| 15:23:53 | Slasheri | "-I- This option has been deprecated. Please use -iquote instead ..." |
| 15:23:57 | Slasheri | man gcc says that |
| 15:24:08 | Slasheri | maybe cygwin is something weird then |
| 15:24:25 | Slasheri | but that can be fixed later when pctool is more usable |
| 15:25:05 | pondlife | OK, I'll commit and let you test it compiles ;) |
| 15:25:12 | Slasheri | and indeed, you have an old gcc |
| 15:25:18 | Slasheri | :) |
| 15:26:33 | preglow | jhMikeS: awake? |
| 15:26:35 | amiconn | preglow: All I know is that gcc clears the top 16 bit by a left-shift-right-shift sequence (2 insns). I can't think of another way |
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| 15:26:52 | preglow | amiconn: nah, me neither, so i'll just stick to wasting a reg on a mask |
| 15:28:13 | amiconn | Unfortunately arm doesn't have partial register ops (like the coldfire) |
| 15:28:23 | amiconn | With those you can do some neat tricks |
| 15:28:36 | preglow | arm doesn't really even have a notion of a partial reg, apart from when writing/reading to memoruy |
| 15:29:14 | preglow | oh well, it's risc |
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| 15:30:46 | pondlife | Hmm, I wonder if the yielding should be skipped if we're doing a delayed commit...? |
| 15:31:17 | pondlife | Slasheri: Any way to know if we're doing a commit during startup? |
| 15:32:37 | Slasheri | pondlife: if TAGCACHE_FILE_TEMP exists, that is pretty good sign for a commit during startup |
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| 15:33:07 | Slasheri | or is commit_delayed flag is set |
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| 15:35:36 | lion2k7 | hi |
| 15:35:45 | pondlife | Slasheri: OK, committed that, will check back after lunch |
| 15:35:58 | dan_a_ | Hi lion2k7 |
| 15:37:07 | lion2k7 | ö |
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| 15:45:20 | tHEkIND_ | I can write that: up = data + 0xAA; ?? |
| 15:45:59 | tHEkIND_ | will see |
| 15:46:30 | tHEkIND_ | oka it works |
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| 15:49:25 | dan_a_ | Arrrgghh! Are there any linker script gurus about? |
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| 16:06:07 | habana | CONGRATULATIONS HACKERS FOR SOUND (on the sansa) !!!! |
| 16:06:51 | habana | we dumb users love your valuable work ^^ |
| 16:06:58 | dan_a_ | habana: Thank you! It's not working correctly yet, though |
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| 16:08:10 | habana | bêêêêê You just did it. The proof of concept is just beautiful :) |
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| 16:41:07 | SoapOffice | Re: the people suffereing from button "bounces" on the iAudio X5: |
| 16:41:54 | SoapOffice | How hard (how needed) would a button calibration plugin be? Or are the button press values embeded so deep in the code that such an idea would be impratical? |
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| 16:43:01 | SoapOffice | Just reading the mailing list and seeing how different people have different "stable" values for button presses, and I can imagine that values for button presses could drift over time as the physical contacts first break in, then wear and get even dirty. |
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| 16:59:41 | tHEkIND_ | Can someone help me |
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| 16:59:47 | tHEkIND_ | I'd need to create a rock |
| 16:59:53 | tHEkIND_ | To show values |
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| 17:00:16 | tHEkIND_ | arf |
| 17:01:48 | petur | tHEkIND_: look at helloworld.c in /apps/plugins |
| 17:01:59 | tHEkIND_ | Just saw that thanks |
| 17:02:33 | petur | tHEkIND_: you'll need to add your c file to SOURCES and FILES to have it build and added to the zip |
| 17:03:02 | tHEkIND_ | On the folder apps |
| 17:03:13 | tHEkIND_ | Inside my folder builds or the other ? |
| 17:03:29 | petur | /apps |
| 17:03:39 | tHEkIND_ | okay thanks |
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| 17:04:10 | petur | err... FILES is not needed as it already adds all c files |
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| 17:04:23 | tHEkIND_ | only c yes |
| 17:04:41 | petur | c and h ;) |
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| 17:08:00 | austriancoder | Bagder: did you recevie it? |
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| 17:09:11 | austriancoder | Bagder: i send it to the mail addi listed in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DanielStenberg |
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| 17:10:14 | SoapOffice | austriancoder: so, did I miss an earlier IRC conversation about your meeting on Friday? (or am I thinking the wrong Friday?) |
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| 17:10:47 | petur | SoapOffice: yes you did |
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| 17:12:41 | * | austriancoder will write a wiki page about it soon |
| 17:13:12 | rp- | hi austriancoder |
| 17:13:24 | rp- | how was your trip back? :) |
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| 17:18:07 | austriancoder | rp-: hi |
| 17:19:16 | austriancoder | rp-: i am very very tired but i played with the developer board for some time and the drivers is getting.. |
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| 17:22:20 | rp- | i'm playing with the sound, but i2s seems to make trouble |
| 17:23:25 | * | petur gets the feeling several people are doing the same work in parallel |
| 17:23:37 | preglow | dan_a has trouble with i2s too |
| 17:23:57 | austriancoder | every body wants to the man who... |
| 17:24:11 | rp- | i know, we are talking about it |
| 17:24:16 | dan_a_ | petur: We are - I don't think that's always a bad thing |
| 17:24:40 | austriancoder | dan_a: hmmm |
| 17:25:08 | * | SoapOffice is happily amazed that even though the datasheet can not be made public they are willing to allow code based upon the datasheet to be made public. |
| 17:25:57 | preglow | don't ask... |
| 17:26:42 | dan_a_ | SoapOffice: As I understand it, they want to avoid people changing the dc-dc converter to send lots of volts through the system, but they're happy for music to be played |
| 17:27:20 | dan_a_ | austriancoder: Have you got any results with sound yet? |
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| 17:29:30 | SoapOffice | dan_a: That's cool as water-to-wine. I'm always happy when the cynic in me is proven wrong! Bring on the new Flash-player! |
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| 17:36:33 | tHEkIND_ | is a way to write something on the screen ? |
| 17:37:51 | dan_a_ | tHEkIND_: Have a look at docs/PLUGIN_API |
| 17:39:43 | mattzz | in a plugin you can use rb->lcd_putsxy(0, 15, "Something"); |
| 17:40:08 | mattzz | [ http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins ] |
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| 17:41:54 | toffe82 | SoapOffice: hello are yoy Soap ? |
| 17:43:05 | tHEkIND_ | And withoud plugin ? |
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| 17:48:21 | SoapOffice | hey toffe82 |
| 17:48:28 | SoapOffice | listening to it as we speak. |
| 17:48:43 | toffe82 | is every thing ok ? |
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| 17:48:57 | twenty6ix | hi all, is anyone able to answer a couple Rockbox questions for me? |
| 17:49:20 | twenty6ix | i checked the FAQ and i couldn't find what i'm looking for |
| 17:49:24 | thegeek | it's generally better if you just ask |
| 17:49:29 | SoapOffice | 'tis all good. There is that broken snap in the case-joint upper-left corner - but that will be covered by the case I ordered - so I couldn't be happier. |
| 17:49:44 | toffe82 | ok |
| 17:50:02 | twenty6ix | haha, alright then, just making sure people were around... anyway, i'm getting an iPod next week, and i want to install Rockbox cause i hate iTunes, but i'm wondering if Rockbox will still play videos, and if so, will it only play .MP4's? |
| 17:50:42 | SoapOffice | mp4s will not happen on the ipods until if the Broadcom chip gets reverse engineered. |
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| 17:51:09 | SoapOffice | there is not enough horsepower in the main processor to do H.264. |
| 17:51:34 | twenty6ix | well, i meant iPod-format video, i thought it was .mp4 |
| 17:51:34 | SoapOffice | But MPEG1/2 works now. See the wiki PluginMpegplayer |
| 17:51:50 | twenty6ix | will divx or xvid work with Rockbox? |
| 17:52:12 | tHEkIND_ | No way |
| 17:52:16 | twenty6ix | hm ok |
| 17:52:25 | tHEkIND_ | Xvid and Divx requires too much CPU |
| 17:52:30 | twenty6ix | so to play video with Rockbox i have to convert it to .mpg? |
| 17:52:39 | tHEkIND_ | Yeah |
| 17:52:42 | toffe82 | Soap : I will get some more F40 this week, if you have any problem with the case, I will send you another one (case) |
| 17:52:49 | twenty6ix | ok, i appreciate the help guys, thanks a lot |
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| 17:53:59 | SoapOffice | that's what I'm talking about also. ("iPod-format video") The iPod main CPU does not decode those videos on the 5/5.5G. Processing is offloaded to a Broadcomm dedicated chip which is not supported by rockbox, Rockbox will decode MPEG1/2 videos, but does so on the main processor, so performance is reliant on the processor speed:screen size ratio. The ipod video models fall on the low-FPS side of that rati |
| 17:54:10 | SoapOffice | toffe82: fooey. |
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| 17:54:30 | SoapOffice | toffe82: you sold me a fine product at a fine price - I have no complaints. |
| 17:54:53 | SoapOffice | (oops, my long rant to twenty6ix was too late) |
| 17:54:56 | toffe82 | I want every body happy, so I take care ;) |
| 17:56:19 | SoapOffice | I installed an updated version of the Gigabeat firmware first thing - gah! That was a mistake. What a silly firmware. |
| 17:56:31 | toffe82 | I try to find a hd interface with zif connector and it is impossible to find it inthe us for cheap (120$ here , 35$ in europ) :9 |
| 17:57:30 | toffe82 | :) |
| 17:58:00 | JETC- | hrmm |
| 17:58:05 | toffe82 | need somebody to buy one in eyrop and send it to me |
| 17:58:08 | JETC- | is rockboy finally ported to X5? |
| 17:58:17 | toffe82 | europ ^^ |
| 17:58:28 | JETC- | i don't see it in the plugins |
| 17:59:30 | tHEkIND_ | Try to upload a gb ron on your player |
| 17:59:44 | tHEkIND_ | Rockboy don't show up on plugins i thought |
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| 18:01:15 | preglow | amiconn: do you know how much pp gains from burst transfers? does it do them at all? |
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| 18:07:39 | JETC- | ooh |
| 18:07:40 | JETC- | found it |
| 18:07:44 | JETC- | under viewers |
| 18:07:45 | JETC- | ;x |
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| 18:34:35 | preglow | jhMikeS: damned clever trick, that swapping phase trick |
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| 18:35:26 | lion2k7 | heyho |
| 18:35:39 | dan_a_ | Hi lion2k7 |
| 18:36:26 | lion2k7 | . |
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| 18:37:14 | lion2k6 | hi |
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| 19:05:12 | * | mattzz wonders how the maze plugin will make its way into svn |
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| 19:07:53 | preglow | divine intervention |
| 19:08:04 | mattzz | :-) |
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| 19:14:47 | Ice8lue | good evening |
| 19:15:56 | _Amblin | hello |
| 19:16:20 | Ice8lue | is one of u working on the sansa port? |
| 19:16:40 | barrywardell | yes, a few people here are |
| 19:16:54 | dan_a_ | Ice8lue: rp-, austriancoder and myself are right now |
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| 19:17:29 | Ice8lue | so how was the meering with AMS? i read there are first beeps from the device? |
| 19:17:43 | Ice8lue | oh, meeting |
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| 19:18:55 | dan_a_ | I didn't go, but I hear it was very good. And, yes, there is (poor quality) sound coming out now |
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| 19:19:50 | mattzz | dan_a: great news! |
| 19:20:16 | dan_a_ | mattzz: I know - apart from the poor quality bit! |
| 19:20:22 | Ice8lue | yay very good news =) cant wait to play quake with sound^^ |
| 19:20:33 | Ice8lue | is there any possibility how i could help? |
| 19:20:52 | mattzz | dan_a: how poor is it? |
| 19:20:57 | barrywardell | dan_a_: how far have you got with the sound? |
| 19:21:15 | barrywardell | dan_a_: is it the same missing bits problem MrH had? |
| 19:21:54 | dan_a_ | Distorted sound in the right channel, very quiet distorted sound in the left channel - maybe as if one bit from the left channel was going into the right |
| 19:22:20 | _Amblin | but it beats the hell out of no sound at all |
| 19:22:25 | _Amblin | only a matter of time |
| 19:22:44 | dan_a_ | And it keeps dying to just blips - I think we lose sync on the I2S bus |
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| 19:23:25 | Ice8lue | do u still need ppl for the team? |
| 19:24:05 | dan_a_ | Ice8lue: Always! |
| 19:24:44 | Ice8lue | so what can i do? am learning C atm....aybe som graphics design? |
| 19:25:49 | barrywardell | Ice8lue: I think the plugins are a good way to get into Rockbox programming |
| 19:26:17 | barrywardell | maybe try writing your own plugin, or adapt a one that doesn't work on the sansa yet |
| 19:26:35 | dan_a_ | Ice8lue: Whatever interests you :D |
| 19:27:28 | Ice8lue | well...am interested in programming but i think my skills are too low. graphics would be nice...maybe theming or such things |
| 19:28:58 | barrywardell | WPS's will hopefully be useful in the not too distant future ;) |
| 19:29:40 | Ice8lue | ^^ well, i think now itsa only a matter of time |
| 19:32:32 | rp- | dan_a_: did you figure out anything? |
| 19:32:44 | dan_a_ | rp-: Not yet |
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| 19:35:02 | rp- | i thought with the datasheet it would be easier, damn i2s |
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| 19:35:32 | dan_a_ | rp-: We've got further than we would have done without the datasheet |
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| 19:36:31 | rp- | thats right, who is gona request some datasheet for the pp from nvidia? :) |
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| 19:41:04 | rp- | success no more distortion |
| 19:41:33 | dukeman | Hooray! |
| 19:41:33 | skyfaller | hey folks... I have a 1st gen iPod nano, the 1GB model... but on the page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 there is no partition table file for the 1GB model |
| 19:42:05 | skyfaller | could anybody help me reformat my iPod, or do I have to find a Windows computer? |
| 19:44:51 | barrywardell | rp-: great! |
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| 20:15:59 | barrywardell | rp-, dan_a_: is there a patch I can try? |
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| 20:18:44 | rp- | i will make one for you |
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| 21:30:04 | mcscruff | i had a look through the manual, and am initizalising my files but its saying found 0 (i have a 30gb ipod video) will it read my ipod files? |
| 21:31:07 | nls | mcscruff: it should read any non-drm files... |
| 21:31:33 | mcscruff | i just restarted it, i dont think i have installed it correctly |
| 21:31:38 | nls | is the little disk icon in the upper left corner visible? |
| 21:31:55 | nls | right corner even |
| 21:31:56 | mcscruff | said something about no directoryand installation incomplete |
| 21:32:07 | mcscruff | only got the time in the right |
| 21:32:32 | nls | mcscruff: ah, yes you need to install the .rockbox directory directly on the root of your player |
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| 21:32:44 | mcscruff | theres my problem :P |
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| 21:32:52 | mcscruff | i just put the rockbox.ipod on there |
| 21:33:03 | nls | get the directory too |
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| 21:35:13 | mcscruff | coz it had a . it was hidden |
| 21:35:15 | mcscruff | grr |
| 21:36:08 | mcscruff | if i plug it into the pc, why does it not come up as usb, do i need to put the ipod into disk mode |
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| 21:43:52 | mcscruff | nls: i put it in the root dir and get the same problem |
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| 21:47:03 | K3nto | hey guys, i have a broken set of headphones im trying to fix |
| 21:47:09 | K3nto | somewhat on-topic |
| 21:47:21 | ross | Hey everyone. I'm going to buy a Video iPod. I know RockBox currently does NOT support the 80 gig model, but I would like the space (for FLAC files). Will there be support for this model in the near future? |
| 21:48:33 | dan_a_ | ross: It's impossible to predict. That said, we know what the problem is, so at some point in the future there will be support |
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| 21:49:05 | thegeek | there is a very good chance it will happen |
| 21:49:15 | thegeek | since linusn seems to know exactly what is wrong |
| 21:50:01 | ross | excellent. Thanks dan_a_ and thegeek |
| 21:50:46 | preglow | it's just a matter of time, really |
| 21:50:51 | preglow | but we can't tell you how much of it |
| 21:52:24 | ross | OK, thanks! |
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| 21:56:56 | * | linuxstb reads the logs and wonders if there is anyone not writing a Sansa audio driver today... |
| 21:57:28 | rp- | :) |
| 21:58:13 | dan_a_ | linuxstb: There's a small community of nomads wandering the desert who said they couldn't start until Monday |
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| 21:59:11 | linuxstb | dan_a: hehe. Hopefully they'll be too late. |
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| 22:00:18 | linuxstb | Can the Sansa also record? |
| 22:00:53 | rp- | yes |
| 22:01:01 | dan_a_ | But not yet |
| 22:01:19 | nls | mcscruff: do you have a .rockbox directory in the root of your ipod and in it a few folders called codecs, rocks etc? |
| 22:03:17 | * | linuxstb sees the 8GB e280 with FM is available for $185 USD on ebay |
| 22:03:33 | dan_a_ | Nice! |
| 22:03:34 | * | preglow wonders what the dollar is worth these days |
| 22:03:45 | linuxstb | About 3 sheckles |
| 22:03:46 | preglow | dAMN |
| 22:03:52 | preglow | 6.2 nok |
| 22:03:54 | preglow | very nice |
| 22:04:18 | preglow | not much at all, that |
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| 22:04:52 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick |
| 22:04:53 | nls | the 8gb sansa with radio is a lot cheaper than the 8gb nano here :-) |
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| 22:05:07 | linuxstb | And expandable with MicroSD, so 10GB of flash... |
| 22:05:11 | preglow | but i don't think i want another pp dap |
| 22:05:31 | Bagder | "unbrick" of course being a bit of a contradiction |
| 22:05:57 | nls | You can only unbrick players that aren't really bricked :-P |
| 22:06:19 | preglow | introducing the Apple Lazarus |
| 22:07:35 | Soap | $185 is a fine price for a 8GB sansa in good condition. $200 is my "benchmark" price. |
| 22:08:15 | linuxstb | There seem to be a whole load of them at that price, new. |
| 22:08:28 | linuxstb | (and worldwide shipping) |
| 22:08:34 | Soap | maybe it is time to update my watch-price list |
| 22:08:54 | Soap | how much is shipping? |
| 22:10:11 | linuxstb | To the UK is $30 - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-SANDISK-SANSA-E280-8GB-MP3-PLAYER-FM-VIDEO-BLACK_W0QQitemZ260094460533QQihZ016QQcategoryZ114632QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 22:10:43 | jhMikeS | preglow: did you find swapping phase helped arm too? |
| 22:10:50 | preglow | jhMikeS: sure did |
| 22:11:26 | Soap | dang - my price list is out of date. I'm seeing them for 160-180 shipped to me. |
| 22:12:15 | * | jhMikeS hopes the audio hardware delay can be move to a single function for all chips |
| 22:12:28 | preglow | jhMikeS: i think i've got a bug in your upsampler, btw |
| 22:12:48 | jhMikeS | preglow: do tell |
| 22:13:24 | preglow | jhMikeS: line 173 dsp_cf.S, shouldn't that be cmp.l %d2, not %d3? |
| 22:13:49 | jhMikeS | hold on...I've got the modded one open... |
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| 22:15:19 | jhMikeS | preglow: oops |
| 22:15:34 | mcscruff | nls: i was putting it on my ext2 partition , not my ipod one :P |
| 22:15:53 | preglow | jhMikeS: not that it's ever likely to trigger anyway... |
| 22:15:58 | * | Bagder gets sansa support questions from people not even using Rockbox... |
| 22:15:59 | jhMikeS | wait a second |
| 22:16:04 | nls | ah, glad it worked out now :-) |
| 22:16:16 | mcscruff | me too, i just saw the themes!!!!! |
| 22:16:18 | linuxstb | Bagder: That was Sandisk's evil plan... |
| 22:16:34 | mcscruff | but i need to download a build with album art or something |
| 22:16:36 | Bagder | they sure fooled me |
| 22:16:58 | jhMikeS | it should be right no matter |
| 22:17:11 | nls | Bagder: the "Do Not Email Daniel" section on the unbrick page is nice! :-) |
| 22:17:33 | Bagder | I'm quite fed up with the constant stream of "help!" mails I get |
| 22:17:44 | mcscruff | lol |
| 22:17:58 | jhMikeS | it would only affect a single frame after downsampling |
| 22:18:57 | preglow | jhMikeS: that's true, didn't think about combining the two |
| 22:19:22 | mcscruff | who's builds are best and most up to date with the album art and margins? |
| 22:19:31 | jhMikeS | combining? |
| 22:19:41 | preglow | jhMikeS: running a frame of upsampling after a frame of downsampling |
| 22:20:18 | mattzz | Bagder: nice and helpful page. What do you think about md5sums for the mi4 images on your page? |
| 22:20:30 | jhMikeS | will happen if downsampling then switching immediately to upsampling |
| 22:20:48 | Bagder | mattzz: do you really think that matters much? |
| 22:21:06 | Bagder | I had md5sums there in the past actually |
| 22:21:21 | mattzz | Bagder: I personally have a better feeling with md5sums whenever I download something like a firmware image |
| 22:21:50 | Bagder | you're right, I'll add md5sums |
| 22:21:55 | mattzz | Bagder: thanks |
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| 22:24:21 | jhMikeS | preglow: another thing I'm starting to prefer is numbered labels: 1: .... bge.b 1b |
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| 22:24:39 | preglow | jhMikeS: yeah, started prefering them a while ago myself |
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| 22:25:36 | preglow | no reason to come up with silly label names |
| 22:25:50 | jhMikeS | exactly |
| 22:27:00 | * | linuxstb reads the Rockbox wikipedia article and is impressed by how up to date it is |
| 22:27:15 | preglow | yeah, we've got someone working on that somewhere |
| 22:28:23 | mcscruff | so rockbox can play gameboy colour games? |
| 22:29:13 | nls | mcscruff: yes |
| 22:29:17 | Soap | with varied degrees of success |
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| 22:29:22 | mcscruff | so why did i install ipod linux!!!!! |
| 22:29:50 | DataGhost | because it's superior |
| 22:29:52 | * | DataGhost runs |
| 22:29:55 | mcscruff | lol |
| 22:29:56 | DataGhost | :P |
| 22:30:07 | mcscruff | if mpd gets better it will be |
| 22:30:10 | scorche | they really cant be compared.... |
| 22:30:32 | mcscruff | omg im torn between the 2, they can both stay for now |
| 22:30:35 | DataGhost | starting all the way from the source code even :) |
| 22:30:39 | nls | how can it be superior when it doesn't even support my player? :-P |
| 22:30:43 | DataGhost | hehe |
| 22:30:50 | scorche | well, they have 2 completely different goals ;) |
| 22:30:56 | mcscruff | true |
| 22:30:59 | DataGhost | because it supports the 80GB >:) |
| 22:31:10 | linuxstb | IPL has a goal? :) |
| 22:31:22 | DataGhost | does it? or are you being sarcastic? |
| 22:31:24 | scorche | last i heard it was for specific testers only and no one else had access to it =P |
| 22:31:33 | Soap | yes it does. A website with 60% uptime. |
| 22:31:33 | scorche | or is that just what you tell the people in IRC? =P |
| 22:31:38 | Soap | and they are getting close. |
| 22:31:40 | DataGhost | heh scorche |
| 22:31:50 | DataGhost | I think it was linked on almost 40 blogs |
| 22:31:56 | DataGhost | iPL supports the 80GB since 6-3 |
| 22:32:04 | DataGhost | for the public |
| 22:32:11 | jhMikeS | ok...now time to check the vorbis decoder from rockbox.org and see if mine is somehow not compiling right |
| 22:32:12 | scorche | meh...i dont attempt to find out much about ipl |
| 22:32:16 | DataGhost | :) |
| 22:32:21 | linuxstb | DataGhost: I just mean that IPL doesn't seem very focused as a project, whereas Rockbox has a clear focus on the best possible audio playback. |
| 22:32:21 | scorche | doesnt interest me ;) |
| 22:32:34 | DataGhost | oh... ah well |
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| 22:32:58 | DataGhost | it's actually just focused on 'running Linux on an iPod' to my knowledge |
| 22:33:02 | DataGhost | and it's doing a pretty good job :P |
| 22:33:16 | mcscruff | whats the difference between |
| 22:33:16 | mcscruff | 30G-cop-070215 |
| 22:33:16 | mcscruff | 30G-NOcop-070215 |
| 22:33:27 | DataGhost | coprocessor? |
| 22:33:43 | mcscruff | yea |
| 22:33:45 | mcscruff | what is it |
| 22:34:33 | DataGhost | it does look awfully similar to the word 'processor' :o |
| 22:35:22 | mcscruff | but how do i know which one to use |
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| 22:36:02 | linuxstb | mcscruff: They're both over a month out of date - a lot of changes have happened in the last month. |
| 22:36:05 | DataGhost | I don't know, it's probably explained in a wiki somewhere... last time I saw mention of 'cop' in the RB source, it looked quite experimental to me |
| 22:36:12 | linuxstb | Sorry, almost a month... |
| 22:36:28 | DataGhost | oh yeah and I missed those numbers being a date :P |
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| 22:36:54 | linuxstb | Co-processor support is now in the official Rockbox builds, as well as a completely redesigned menu layout. |
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| 22:37:25 | Presence | hurray for co-processor support! :) |
| 22:37:36 | Soap | mcscruff: all of the iPod unsupported builds with Album Art and such are woefully out of date. |
| 22:38:09 | linuxstb | DataGhost: Are you still working on 80GB support for Rockbox? |
| 22:38:22 | Soap | May I strongly suggest you become familiar with Rockbox on a stock "current" build, as much of the documentation and help you have avaliable to you assumes you are running the latest version./ |
| 22:38:31 | DataGhost | linuxstb no not really |
| 22:38:41 | DataGhost | linusN is working at that, right? |
| 22:38:59 | DataGhost | I got to the point where it's 'working', it can read my FAT32 partition |
| 22:39:08 | Soap | mcscruff: Those builds are called "unsupported" for a reason - all help queries regarding them must be relegated to the fourm thread from which you got them. |
| 22:39:09 | DataGhost | only 2 folders deep, after that it'll show garbage and crash |
| 22:39:17 | DataGhost | it can't find the .rockbox folder and after some attempts it'll crash |
| 22:39:25 | DataGhost | and when you don't do anything fancy with it, it'll crash anyway |
| 22:39:27 | DataGhost | :) |
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| 22:39:32 | mcscruff | Soap, i'll just get one coz im too lazy to patch my own :P |
| 22:41:09 | DataGhost | as far as I can see, there's "just a buffer problem" which doesn't look that easy to fix |
| 22:41:52 | DataGhost | anyway I shared my 80GB knowledge and iPL patch with LinusN, hoping it'll be useful |
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| 22:42:07 | DataGhost | but I guess he'll finish 80GB support before I do |
| 22:42:23 | DataGhost | and I have to study for some exams in a few weeks :) so I don't really have the time either |
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| 22:46:42 | preglow | find the time! |
| 22:46:48 | preglow | exams can wait too |
| 22:49:15 | jhMikeS | ok, disabling priority_x has no effect :\ and it's the only change to the scheduling loop |
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| 22:52:30 | preglow | jhMikeS: what about the vorbis boosting conondrum, btw? |
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| 22:52:57 | preglow | or is that what you're talking about? |
| 22:53:03 | jhMikeS | what about it? I was getting 19% now I'm seeing 78% on the same file...vorbis only |
| 22:53:16 | preglow | i tried again, behaved fine |
| 22:53:16 | jhMikeS | it is running slow for some reason |
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| 22:54:20 | jhMikeS | deleted my config.cfg, turned off the new scheduler feature...no change...ahhh |
| 22:55:02 | jhMikeS | Is this "conondrum" something others have seem? |
| 22:55:04 | jhMikeS | seen |
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| 22:55:16 | preglow | haven't heard anything |
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| 22:59:00 | nls | jhMikeS: with the latest current build vorbis boosts normally on my h320 |
| 22:59:01 | jhMikeS | I mean it's clearly running very slow |
| 22:59:19 | nls | about 20% wit q6 |
| 22:59:30 | jhMikeS | nls: that's what's giving me fits...it seems unique to my player |
| 22:59:36 | jhMikeS | sound about right |
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| 23:00:00 | jhMikeS | voice file present? |
| 23:00:06 | nls | no |
| 23:00:13 | jhMikeS | will check that out then |
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| 23:05:30 | jhMikeS | getting the voice file out of the way cures it...and the slowdown was real and visible... |
| 23:05:30 | preglow | ???? |
| 23:05:30 | jhMikeS | yup |
| 23:05:30 | preglow | no voice file and boost is back? |
| 23:05:36 | preglow | to normal, that is |
| 23:05:44 | jhMikeS | vorbis turns into a pig when a voice file is loaded |
| 23:05:54 | jhMikeS | ok now |
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| 23:06:07 | amiconn | preglow: How should I know whether the pp does burst transfers, without datasheet? |
| 23:06:52 | preglow | amiconn: just asking, you've written assembler routines for it and always do a thorough job, so thought you might have benchmD[D[Darked |
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| 23:07:09 | preglow | don't ask me what happened in "benchmarked" there |
| 23:08:27 | mcscruff | im compiling my own :) , what patch's would you say are good to have? |
| 23:08:45 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Perhaps that has to do with the voice thread always in running state in current svn? |
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| 23:09:17 | amiconn | I first observed it on ipod and thought it might have to do with dual core operation, then found it also happens on coldfire targets |
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| 23:10:11 | jhMikeS | amiconn: why should it be and only affect a single codec? the mutex should sleep since nothing is different. :\ |
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| 23:10:27 | amiconn | Dunno, different yield frequency perhaps? |
| 23:10:50 | Soap | mcscruff: 5495 |
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| 23:11:28 | Soap | maybe 6616 if that is your thing. |
| 23:12:49 | mcscruff | isnt 5495 gonna be in the svn? |
| 23:12:50 | amiconn | I also suspect the fact that voice runs on core 0 and main codec on core 1 to be the cause for the practically unchanged performance with cop support enabled on pp. While both threads are running on different cores, they cannot run in parallel because of the buffer swapping |
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| 23:13:46 | Soap | did it get commited while I wasn't looking? |
| 23:13:48 | preglow | amiconn: well, shouldn't people with no voice files see an improvement? |
| 23:14:04 | amiconn | preglow: Yes they should |
| 23:14:09 | preglow | we don't :/ |
| 23:14:12 | amiconn | I never tested without voice file |
| 23:14:37 | Soap | nope, mcscruff, it is still open. |
| 23:15:16 | amiconn | But something is definitely fishy wrt voice thread |
| 23:15:21 | * | linuxstb sees a fixed-point patch for the ffmpeg RealAudio (cook) decoder.. |
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| 23:15:34 | preglow | woo... |
| 23:16:08 | linuxstb | Apparently the patch gave a 25x speedup on ARM... |
| 23:16:21 | preglow | compared with what, fpu emulation? |
| 23:16:48 | linuxstb | I assume so, let me read more... |
| 23:17:03 | preglow | sounds like a small speedup factor, then |
| 23:17:05 | mcscruff | Soap: man that was |
| 23:17:12 | mcscruff | *oops |
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| 23:17:31 | mcscruff | hit paste :P, was gonna say 3045 is a must have |
| 23:18:04 | jhMikeS | the same yield should be executed now as before ... Will actually change the mutex sleep to be identical to before but I don't expect any change really. |
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| 23:19:21 | linuxstb | preglow: Here's the original post - http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2007-March/054260.html |
| 23:19:38 | dan_a_ | I'd like to move the voice thread to the COP, but run out of IRAM - I need some help to write the linker script to use uncached DRAM |
| 23:19:43 | preglow | off topic: would anyone happen to know a generic way to deliver mails to specific mbox decided by the to: address? procmail? .forward? |
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| 23:20:22 | Bagder | preglow: procmail |
| 23:20:56 | preglow | i see the server runs exim and dovecot, does any of that matter at all? |
| 23:20:59 | preglow | ah, ok |
| 23:21:19 | preglow | i had a mail server myself a couple of years ago, but i've forgotten practically everything, i see |
| 23:21:24 | Bagder | normally you can invoke procmail from your forward unless it runs it by itself |
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| 23:21:57 | * | Bagder has a >400 lines procmail file |
| 23:22:32 | Kasperle | the host i receive mail on uses courier and maildrop. maildrop filters are pretty nice, too |
| 23:23:23 | preglow | linuxstb: i don't like the part in the reply about people not maintaining fixed point code |
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| 23:23:59 | preglow | sounds pretty bad to allow people to break fixed point code while updating float code |
| 23:24:10 | preglow | especially in these days of embedded multimedia |
| 23:25:53 | jhMikeS | identical code to before and the problem persists with a voice file present |
| 23:26:00 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, but that's just one person's reply - the rest of the thread seems reasonable. |
| 23:26:06 | preglow | linuxstb: yeah, see so |
| 23:26:40 | * | linuxstb needs to invest more time understanding ffmpeg's architecture |
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| 23:27:22 | preglow | yeah, i have the tree checked out here myself with the intent of doing so |
| 23:27:41 | preglow | but i guess i'll never get around to it |
| 23:28:20 | BigMac | What timezone are flyspray times based off of |
| 23:29:33 | amiconn | Our runtime estimation on X5 is _way_ off |
| 23:30:09 | amiconn | >13 hours now and still going. Estimation is only 8 hours iirc |
| 23:30:13 | jhMikeS | I revert everything to the old system and it persists :\ |
| 23:30:16 | linuxstb | BigMac: I don't know, but most Rockbox things are on Central European Time (GMT+1) |
| 23:30:35 | BigMac | ah ok thank ya linuxstb |
| 23:30:37 | mcscruff | i ran the sh file that buils the gcc-elf thing but whats the command to make that in my path for make? |
| 23:30:42 | jhMikeS | Except disk access goes back to slowing down everything |
| 23:30:42 | amiconn | jhMikeS: In such cases a binary search through the dailies might help |
| 23:31:01 | amiconn | If you found the day, then continue with checking this day's commits |
| 23:31:03 | jhMikeS | could be |
| 23:31:25 | * | amiconn did that several times |
| 23:31:45 | jhMikeS | It could have been there already and I just discovered it...can't say |
| 23:32:22 | jhMikeS | A somewhat tedious undertaking though .... argh |
| 23:33:25 | preglow | tedious and conclusive... |
| 23:34:40 | amiconn | You should be down to the specific day with 6 checks... |
| 23:35:09 | amiconn | (checking the full month back) |
| 23:35:17 | jhMikeS | still I find that tedious when I want to work on new stuff :) |
| 23:36:11 | * | jhMikeS will just shut up and get this over with |
| 23:37:32 | pondlife | My hint: Keep a notepad handy with your binary search points noted. |
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| 23:37:48 | pondlife | It gets even more tedious if you lose track :) |
| 23:38:19 | jhMikeS | Yes...I usually do that |
| 23:38:31 | K3nto | hey i have a slightly off-topic question |
| 23:38:36 | K3nto | hey guys, i have a set of stereo headphones im trying to fix. in the middle of the cord, there was a volume adjustment dial. the dial was busted, and now im trying to fix the headphones. There was a copper wire per strand and a green/red one in each. http://img15.imgspot.com/?u=/u/07/68/18/000011173569252.jpg I removed the enamel and twirled them and finally, soldered them |
| 23:38:49 | K3nto | i out it in another chan too tho |
| 23:38:52 | jhMikeS | still hate binary searching like this >:P |
| 23:39:02 | scorche | K3nto: and what does that have to do with rockbox? |
| 23:39:34 | * | amiconn thinks adding new features without having a stable base is worthless, and not much fun either |
| 23:40:14 | K3nto | *sigh. nothing. |
| 23:41:55 | Kasperle | jhMikeS: heh. i once did that searching through a couple of months worth of commits to the full FreeBSD source tree just to find out that somebody flipped the default value of a sysctl :/ |
| 23:42:38 | preglow | K3nto: is this a success story or is there a question buried in there? |
| 23:44:32 | jhMikeS | I can say this...the 2007-02-08 build has it |
| 23:44:43 | preglow | perhaps it's always been there, then? |
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| 23:45:26 | jhMikeS | I have a feeling about that ... wonder why though. You sure nothing in mpa.codec would clobber the malloc buffer? |
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| 23:45:54 | preglow | jhMikeS: why would clobbering the malloc buffer slow stuff down? i don't even know where the malloc buffer is located these days |
| 23:46:09 | preglow | is it still a separate 512 kb buffer? |
| 23:46:21 | K3nto | preglow: nvm, im in a dif chan with this |
| 23:46:24 | jhMikeS | it is not swapped like the other buffers |
| 23:46:43 | preglow | jhMikeS: fair enough, but why would clobbering slow stuff down? |
| 23:46:53 | jhMikeS | I have no friggin' idea :) |
| 23:46:54 | preglow | i would expect horrible distortion, sure, but not slowing down |
| 23:46:57 | jhMikeS | me too |
| 23:47:15 | preglow | the chances of slowdown being an effect from a clobbered malloc buf are really minute |
| 23:47:17 | jhMikeS | just reaching for anything for an answer atm |
| 23:48:34 | mcscruff | when you compile rockbox do you get alot of warnings? |
| 23:48:37 | jhMikeS | starting ridulous usually leads to getting somewhere |
| 23:48:49 | jhMikeS | mcscruff: never |
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| 23:49:03 | scorche | mcscruff: you can see the warnings and errors on the build page in the chart |
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| 23:49:23 | mcscruff | it didnt error out :S is that good or bad :P |
| 23:49:33 | RogerBacon | did anyone know if the creative Zen M have a disc mode ? |
| 23:51:06 | preglow | if it hasn't got a rockbox port, we probably don't know |
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| 23:51:48 | RogerBacon | any trick to put it in UMS ? |
| 23:51:53 | RogerBacon | that's really suck |
| 23:52:02 | RogerBacon | mtp is really a piece of crap |
| 23:53:42 | linuxstb | According to this page, http://dapreview.net/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.259 it has a "configurable MSC partition (512MB to 16GB)"... |
| 23:53:42 | preglow | beer time! |
| 23:53:46 | jhMikeS | alingnment? issue? |
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| 23:54:08 | RogerBacon | this device need WMP10 ONLY, im with WMP11, so if i understand,microsoft want to use old software ... |
| 23:54:08 | z0de | hi |
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| 23:55:10 | z0de | in brickmainia the game if you pause it while you have the glue power up and then unpause the ball stops moving |
| 23:55:46 | z0de | also the random folder plugin does not start a new folder while playing brickmanina |
| 23:56:03 | z0de | and theres no way to access music control without losing your game |
| 23:56:05 | z0de | :( |
| 23:56:16 | z0de | it also needs more levels |
| 23:57:53 | Soap | On the second point, you kind of answered yourself. Snake won't run at the same time brickmania does either. :) |
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