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| 00:00:34 | JdGordon | random folder should work fine with plugins running |
| 00:00:57 | JdGordon | I dont remember stealing the plugin buffer when it actually decides on a folder to [play |
| 00:01:01 | * | JdGordon could be wrong tho |
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| 00:03:54 | pondlife | jhMikeS: I recall an unexpected *speed-up* in the UI (with voice), caused by some kind of bug in audio_reset_buffer()... fixing the maths slowed the UI down again. You may want to look in that area? |
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| 00:05:24 | pondlife | amiconn: I did a battery bench on the H340 last week - do you want it? |
| 00:05:57 | jhMikeS | I'm checking things now in there ... and doing an experiment |
| 00:06:09 | pondlife | IRAM? |
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| 00:08:16 | terry_ | Hi, I was wondering about the status of the port for zune? |
| 00:08:22 | jhMikeS | IRAM swap buffer should have no relevance |
| 00:08:44 | jhMikeS | The MALLOC_BUF being misaligned with a voice file might |
| 00:08:59 | linuxstb | terry_: There isn't a port for the zune... |
| 00:09:19 | terry_ | I thought it was a project in development |
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| 00:10:59 | preglow | zune-linux gius are really responsive |
| 00:11:02 | preglow | guys too |
| 00:11:51 | terry_ | I don't want to seem ignorant, so forgive the question |
| 00:12:42 | terry_ | All my pc s are linux based, and my son's girlfriend gave him a zune |
| 00:13:04 | terry_ | I promised him I'd make it work someday |
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| 00:13:47 | preglow | won't be very easy... |
| 00:13:55 | saratoga | i believe i've seen MTP software for linux with zune support |
| 00:14:12 | saratoga | i think one of the MS people passed along a zune even to the libmtp people |
| 00:14:13 | terry_ | Best I can tell, zune is a clone of Gigabeat S |
| 00:14:18 | saratoga | maybe look into that |
| 00:14:25 | saratoga | more chance of that working then rockbox |
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| 00:14:55 | terry_ | Thanks, I appreciate the info. |
| 00:15:31 | preglow | "closest" thing to a replacement firmware currently is zune-linux |
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| 00:15:37 | preglow | and that's probably a hoax... |
| 00:15:43 | preglow | and hey, you left, so who cares |
| 00:15:48 | jhMikeS | alignming the malloc buffer fixed it |
| 00:15:53 | jhMikeS | aligning ever |
| 00:15:58 | jhMikeS | even ... heh |
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| 00:16:05 | preglow | jhMikeS: eh, then i wonder why it even works at all on arm |
| 00:16:18 | jhMikeS | boost went down even more .... 17% |
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| 00:17:15 | jhMikeS | preglow: I though ARM was even more picky about it |
| 00:17:23 | preglow | arm throwns an exception... |
| 00:17:24 | saratoga | fixed what? the vorbis boost issue? |
| 00:17:29 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 00:17:37 | preglow | so yes, you could call it picky |
| 00:17:39 | preglow | but i've never had that |
| 00:17:58 | jhMikeS | I line aligned it and boost went from 78% to 17% |
| 00:18:11 | preglow | any indications on it always being aligned for arm? |
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| 00:18:54 | jhMikeS | it was always long aligned |
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| 00:19:30 | jhMikeS | but if we're doing movem burst transfers...well you know |
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| 00:20:01 | pondlife | lol - those crazy Zune Linuz guys! "Zune Linux needs a bit of polishing in order for it to be ready for a public release. Bijoux has made major progress in getting the Zune to run a distro but there is still much work to be done." |
| 00:20:11 | pondlife | Well that was easy |
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| 00:21:14 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Was that alignment fix in talk_get_bufsize() or codec_get_memory_callback() ? |
| 00:21:19 | preglow | yeah, just toss a distro onto it |
| 00:21:22 | preglow | how hard can it be? |
| 00:21:28 | preglow | gnome, kde, some media players |
| 00:21:29 | preglow | bam |
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| 00:22:08 | preglow | jhMikeS: line alignment for bursting can cause _THAT_ ? |
| 00:22:12 | preglow | damn |
| 00:22:13 | pondlife | And their leading developer has left his Zune round a friend's house and now can't get it back... ;) |
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| 00:22:36 | jhMikeS | If it's not line aligned, it's four longword accesses |
| 00:22:46 | preglow | yeah, but stil... |
| 00:23:07 | pondlife | That will affect all codecs that use the MALLOC_BUF I assume, not just vorbis? |
| 00:23:19 | preglow | depends how optimised they are |
| 00:23:36 | jhMikeS | I just align the start address...it's size is already aligned |
| 00:23:36 | preglow | i don't think gcc ever uses movem for regular accesses |
| 00:23:36 | pondlife | Well, not to the same extent perhaps... |
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| 00:24:51 | jhMikeS | now the boost is the same with or without |
| 00:25:01 | jhMikeS | voice file that is |
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| 00:25:46 | linuxstb | But the codec_malloc() function only aligns to 32-bits, so the affected buffer was the first one to be malloc'ed? (or am I missing something?) |
| 00:26:31 | jhMikeS | preglow: data alignment is no issue for the source data is it? seems the boost is fixed for all following tracks too. |
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| 00:27:16 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: depends on what size it want and how it's read I suppose |
| 00:27:57 | preglow | jhMikeS: you mean for the encoded data? |
| 00:28:06 | linuxstb | I guess all mallocs are likely to be a round (binary) number of bytes anyway... |
| 00:29:40 | jhMikeS | preglow: yes, but no codec should depend on that...yet. I guess such an optimization could be introduced into a new buffer scheme. |
| 00:29:52 | preglow | jhMikeS: shouldn't matter, it's mostly read on a byte by byte basis |
| 00:30:20 | jhMikeS | vorbis does a lot of movem.l with four regs |
| 00:31:28 | preglow | even from the source buffer? |
| 00:31:34 | preglow | would surprise me somewhat |
| 00:31:45 | Compaq_Owner | anyone know how it goin with the new sansa datasheet? |
| 00:31:50 | jhMikeS | no...the malloc buf I think |
| 00:32:23 | jhMikeS | It must or this wouldn't help |
| 00:32:28 | barrywardell | Compaq_Owner: making progress, but still more to go |
| 00:33:07 | jhMikeS | IRAM access doesn't seem stalled by alignment too much |
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| 00:34:38 | jhMikeS | I can see the ASM in there needs some assitance |
| 00:34:42 | preglow | jhMikeS: bursts shouldn't care at all in iram |
| 00:34:51 | preglow | jhMikeS: line alignment of, that is |
| 00:35:19 | jhMikeS | right, seems to be irrelenvant but longword alignment does seem to...only mildly though |
| 00:35:38 | preglow | longword alignment is, yes |
| 00:35:52 | Compaq_Owner | great... i guess it wont be long until i can tell sandisk to go to hell with their wav,mp3,wma,mjpeg codecs |
| 00:36:17 | jhMikeS | stalls need to be remove from those vector multiplications |
| 00:36:43 | preglow | coldfire does fine, don't care about that, now buy an ipod and come over here :) |
| 00:37:03 | pondlife | Nah, stick with coldfire! |
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| 00:41:11 | Insectoid | Tell me tell me tell me someone tell me the answer... Zoon? Or no Zoon? |
| 00:41:18 | jhMikeS | coldfire will do finer |
| 00:41:36 | jhMikeS | and if dan_a gets me a sweet deal then np |
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| 00:44:57 | jhMikeS | I suppose that change is a keeper ... won't really hurt anything for targets that don't care either |
| 00:45:31 | preglow | Insectoid: zoon? |
| 00:46:16 | Insectoid | Um, Zune ... |
| 00:46:17 | Insectoid | :P |
| 00:46:27 | jhMikeS | "Zune" crossed with "Soon"? |
| 00:46:41 | * | Insectoid gestures vaguely |
| 00:47:05 | preglow | no zune support coming, no |
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| 00:47:33 | jhMikeS | what if Gigabeat S is ported? will that help? |
| 00:47:40 | Insectoid | I was wondering the same. |
| 00:47:41 | preglow | not anytime soon, unless something great and spectacular happens |
| 00:47:47 | preglow | jhMikeS: most probably, but is it? |
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| 00:48:44 | jhMikeS | It's something I want a part of. Don't know if that will help anything. :P Would like to have RB with that kind of excessive CPU though. |
| 00:49:17 | preglow | i might be very interested myself if the port ever starts |
| 00:50:02 | jhMikeS | toffe's working on it but has all the stripped boards to himself |
| 00:50:19 | preglow | no docs on the core, no? |
| 00:50:31 | jhMikeS | The CPU is doced |
| 00:51:25 | preglow | :-D |
| 00:51:52 | Insectoid | Freescale i. MX31L processor; |
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| 00:52:06 | jhMikeS | can get a datasheet online there |
| 00:52:09 | preglow | then i would most certainly be interested |
| 00:52:18 | preglow | if only because it's definitely something else |
| 00:52:26 | preglow | vector fpu = lollerskates |
| 00:52:39 | jhMikeS | :) |
| 00:53:52 | preglow | so what needs to be done is find a way to get it booted up with some nasty code and find out how it's wired? |
| 00:54:02 | K3nto | does rockbox have that progressive scrolling? like the more you scroll, the faster it goes |
| 00:54:22 | preglow | K3nto: it does that for seeking in a file, but not anywhere else, afaik |
| 00:54:37 | K3nto | ic |
| 00:55:22 | z0de | im back, so is there anything i can do with brickmainia? |
| 00:55:25 | jhMikeS | I was thinking I'd trace the whole stinking board and do schematics but I need a board |
| 00:55:39 | Insectoid | There're schematics on the wiki aren't there? |
| 00:56:09 | jhMikeS | some limited ones...but I have an idea about how to quickly determine connections as long as the board is component free |
| 00:56:50 | JETC- | someone should finish that sudoku patch ;o |
| 00:56:59 | JETC- | where you can pick the difficulty XD |
| 00:57:17 | jhMikeS | all I need is water I think |
| 00:58:00 | preglow | all i need is beer |
| 00:58:34 | decayedcell | rofl |
| 00:58:38 | jhMikeS | that should work if you can tell CO2 bubbles from H2 and O2 |
| 00:58:39 | preglow | gonna speed test the upsampler soon now, let's hope that's faster |
| 00:58:40 | preglow | i think it'll be |
| 00:59:54 | mcscruff | has anyone been able to get patch #2994 to patch? |
| 00:59:57 | * | jhMikeS speaks in tounges and dances around |
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| 01:00:00 | Soap | jhMikeS: talk to toffe82. He has a S stripped of chips. |
| 01:00:32 | Soap | and was about to start tracing. |
| 01:00:34 | jhMikeS | Soap: I know, but didn't seem willing to give it up for awhile ... I need one with chips too |
| 01:00:49 | jhMikeS | But the idea may help out |
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| 01:01:16 | Soap | I think he just stripped it in the last 24 hours. |
| 01:01:18 | jhMikeS | all the pads connected to the elecrified pad should bubble |
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| 01:01:57 | Soap | ahh, dunk it? |
| 01:02:35 | jhMikeS | yes, and use electrolysis ... wish I had a nice chemical that would just change color in a dense enough electrical field though |
| 01:02:59 | preglow | how many amps do you need for that to be visible at all? |
| 01:03:04 | Soap | mcscruff: 2994 is closed. Look at 2954, it is only one revision out of sync - shouldn't be hard. |
| 01:03:14 | nls | jhMikeS: that wouldn't work with just water unless you apply some serious voltage/current |
| 01:03:14 | jhMikeS | not much .. iirc 1.5v battery should show it |
| 01:03:19 | preglow | really now |
| 01:03:23 | jhMikeS | add some salt |
| 01:03:41 | jhMikeS | only deionized water should have trouble |
| 01:04:02 | preglow | wouldn't the salt kind of hamper the electrolysis, though? |
| 01:04:06 | preglow | forget that |
| 01:04:09 | jhMikeS | no, increases it |
| 01:04:10 | Soap | should help |
| 01:04:14 | preglow | yeah |
| 01:04:15 | saratoga | i did this when I was a kid |
| 01:04:21 | saratoga | 9 v works great with a pinch of salt |
| 01:04:24 | preglow | me too, and haven't since :> |
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| 01:04:37 | preglow | nice, flammable hydrogen |
| 01:04:58 | preglow | i had a penchant for everything burning/exploding |
| 01:04:59 | jhMikeS | yeah, like is produces enough for worry about |
| 01:05:04 | jhMikeS | lol |
| 01:05:12 | Soap | would boiling the water first help remove all the disolved air so you have less "false" bubbles? |
| 01:05:31 | jhMikeS | could help |
| 01:05:34 | preglow | jhMikeS: it produces enough to make a bang, heh |
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| 01:05:43 | BigMac | Hmm so scroll margins went back into sync and out today |
| 01:05:43 | preglow | have to keep it going for a while, though |
| 01:05:48 | BigMac | within three hours |
| 01:05:49 | jhMikeS | I tried lighting it and never got anything |
| 01:06:09 | jhMikeS | probably didn't wait long enough |
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| 01:06:15 | preglow | i waited for a very good while |
| 01:06:28 | preglow | but it's really long ago anyway, might be wrong |
| 01:07:21 | saratoga | i got mine to light |
| 01:07:23 | saratoga | made a pop |
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| 01:07:52 | preglow | opening big firecrackers and breaking windows with the unpredictable contents was far more fun anyway |
| 01:08:40 | webguest14 | ji |
| 01:08:44 | preglow | it's a wonder i still have all my fingers |
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| 01:09:21 | webguest14 | ^^ |
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| 01:10:26 | webguest14 | lol |
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| 01:12:42 | mcscruff | i wish i knew how to fix patchs |
| 01:13:05 | mcscruff | patching file apps/gui/list.c |
| 01:13:05 | mcscruff | Hunk #2 FAILED at 229. |
| 01:13:05 | mcscruff | 1 out of 2 hunks FAILED −− saving rejects to file apps/gui/list.c.rej |
| 01:13:07 | jhMikeS | hehe...thinking about that I don't want to push my luck anymore either |
| 01:13:43 | Soap | mcscruff: syncing that patch shouldn' |
| 01:13:46 | Soap | t be hard. |
| 01:14:02 | Soap | Let me peek. |
| 01:14:10 | mcscruff | it is if you dont know what your doinf |
| 01:14:12 | mcscruff | *doing |
| 01:14:20 | jhMikeS | though I'm now reminded I have a huge can of black powder for the muzzle loader rifle |
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| 01:14:41 | preglow | you have a muzzle loader |
| 01:14:41 | preglow | haha |
| 01:14:42 | preglow | excellent |
| 01:15:30 | preglow | i almost blew someones head off with a canon (yes, a canon) and black powder once |
| 01:15:36 | jhMikeS | My aunt ran off with the gun...but left the powder |
| 01:15:37 | preglow | cannon?? |
| 01:15:46 | preglow | a canon is a camera |
| 01:16:21 | mcscruff | lol |
| 01:16:26 | * | jhMikeS can conceive of a camera cannon ... |
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| 01:19:39 | * | jhMikeS wants a high capacity capacitor bank to make bangs with electromagnetism |
| 01:19:58 | preglow | and i want super powers for much the same thing |
| 01:20:07 | Stalwart | changelog says i need to update bootloader after installing latest build with multicore support for ipod, but it just runs (with loader from 3rd march |
| 01:20:07 | roolku | jhMikeS: can you think of a reason why the *.mod codec doesn't work when there is a voice file? |
| 01:20:21 | * | roolku finds this really odd |
| 01:20:30 | Soap | just use the HV leads off of a microwave oven. Plug them into either end of a potato and turn it on. |
| 01:20:32 | jhMikeS | roolku: perhaps alignment issues as well? |
| 01:21:00 | roolku | jhMikeS: alignment of what? |
| 01:21:07 | jhMikeS | the memory addresses |
| 01:21:18 | roolku | jhMikeS: it seems to play ()progressbar and all) but there is no sound |
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| 01:21:41 | jhMikeS | I'm gonna commit the malloc change in a second...maybe try after that |
| 01:21:42 | Llorean | Stalwart: It'll run, but it won't necessarily be stable. |
| 01:21:52 | roolku | okay |
| 01:21:58 | markun | I wonder what's inside the Archos 204 |
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| 01:22:24 | jhMikeS | just need to make sure it's sound real quick |
| 01:22:44 | decayedcell | lol will FS2954 ever be committed to SVN = |
| 01:23:14 | Stalwart | Llorean: ok, thanks, then i'll update bootloader too |
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| 01:24:03 | * | preglow sings the register lack blues |
| 01:24:06 | jhMikeS | roolku: which player btw? |
| 01:24:07 | preglow | bloody arm |
| 01:24:33 | roolku | jhMikeS: I have only tried gigabeat - let's see what the h120 does |
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| 01:26:23 | saratoga | ebay is really annoying me, for some reason a few people get sansa's cheap, but I always get snipped by someone at the last minute who is oddly willing to pay retail price for a used sansa |
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| 01:27:05 | JETC- | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/5519 |
| 01:27:08 | JETC- | :( |
| 01:28:30 | Stalwart | there |
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| 01:28:40 | Stalwart | *there's nothing mentioned about bootloader upgrade in doc |
| 01:28:51 | Stalwart | should i do like if there's no bootloader at all? |
| 01:28:55 | Llorean | Stalwart: Just re-do the bootloader install. |
| 01:29:14 | Stalwart | how can i check bootloader version before and after upgrade |
| 01:29:16 | mcscruff | Soap: did you look at the scroll margins patch? |
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| 01:30:13 | Llorean | Stalwart: The newest bootloader doesn't show any bootloader text. |
| 01:31:32 | Stalwart | i took a photo of loader - mine is of march 4th |
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| 01:32:44 | Stalwart | really - no text at all |
| 01:32:55 | Stalwart | even cooler than before |
| 01:33:04 | Stalwart | rockbox ftw!! |
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| 01:33:08 | Llorean | Stalwart: No text at all unless you press Right (so you can check information) |
| 01:33:28 | Stalwart | if i ever have to buy new DAP it will be from rockbox ports list =] |
| 01:34:01 | Stalwart | oh, i found a bug |
| 01:35:02 | roolku | jhMikeS: h120 works with voice file in place |
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| 01:35:54 | Stalwart | http://img.flashtux.org/img1323fa734e9x18dd9ef5.jpg <−− bug!! |
| 01:36:18 | Stalwart | afaik it was scrolling fine in previus version |
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| 01:39:01 | roolku | jhMikeS: interesting, it seems to depend on the voice file - maybe size is an issue |
| 01:39:08 | jhMikeS | roolku, svn up and give a check |
| 01:39:23 | jhMikeS | that's why it made a difference for vorbis on coldfire |
| 01:42:04 | Snufkin | can rockbox play mpc yet? i can't find it anywhere |
| 01:42:31 | Llorean | Snufkin: Rockbox has played musepack for a year and a half, at least. |
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| 01:42:58 | Snufkin | oh :) |
| 01:43:02 | jhMikeS | can it seek yet? |
| 01:43:24 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Yeah, I believe it can. |
| 01:43:36 | Snufkin | well then, it's time to install |
| 01:44:00 | BigMac | http://rafb.net/p/l6XYHm93.html |
| 01:44:09 | BigMac | what is going wrong |
| 01:44:15 | BigMac | Trying to make a sim |
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| 01:46:35 | Stalwart | anyone with same scrolling text bug? |
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| 01:47:30 | jhMikeS | BigMac: building a sim now...seeing what comes up |
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| 01:49:33 | jhMikeS | Stalwart: never seen that ... but the word are right on :) |
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| 01:51:17 | roolku | jhMikeS: interesting - it seems to work now. I had really put my money on a buffer size problem, as it used to work with a smaller voice file but not the bigger. |
| 01:51:25 | roolku | jhMikeS: let me check h120 as well. |
| 01:51:54 | Stalwart | jhMikeS: look at photo |
| 01:52:54 | jhMikeS | Stalwart: I did, I've never seen that that I remember |
| 01:53:10 | jhMikeS | Anything you have to do to make it happen? |
| 01:53:11 | BigMac | I should probably just redownload the svn |
| 01:53:36 | jhMikeS | BigMac: I think it's looking for that file in the wrong directory |
| 01:53:48 | Stalwart | jhMikeS: i just installed the very latest build and this bug appeared |
| 01:53:57 | Stalwart | before i used build of 4th march |
| 01:54:37 | BigMac | hmm |
| 01:55:02 | roolku | okay: I can't recreate the problem on h120 with any voice file. gigabeat before your commit didn't play when the new (bigger) voice file was in place, but it did with the old (smaller) one. Now it plays with either voice file. |
| 01:55:13 | roolku | I thinkI will consider it fixed. :) Cheers |
| 01:55:21 | jhMikeS | :) |
| 01:56:31 | mcscruff | can rockbox go into that sleep mode like the ipod does , or does it fully shut down everytime? |
| 01:57:23 | Stalwart | afaik it always shuts down |
| 01:57:37 | mcscruff | :( |
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| 01:57:55 | Stalwart | you turn off your dap often? |
| 01:58:20 | roolku | Stalwart: I have observed the same. At first it is drawn correctly, but when the scrolling kicks in it displays half a line higher |
| 01:58:52 | mcscruff | Stalwart: when at work i have a quick listen to a song or 2 |
| 01:59:00 | Compaq_Owner | i'm having the same problem |
| 01:59:01 | mcscruff | then its of fagain for an hour |
| 01:59:13 | Stalwart | roolku: exactly! |
| 01:59:14 | jhMikeS | Stalwart: dual core support? |
| 01:59:20 | Compaq_Owner | i'm using a sansa e200 |
| 01:59:28 | Stalwart | jhMikeS: yes, it's nano |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:02 | Compaq_Owner | where do i get the bootloader that enables dual core support? |
| 02:00:04 | jhMikeS | Could be that, check if it starts on that build |
| 02:01:58 | jhMikeS | if scrolling isn't done on the same core as the ui element messing with the scroller, I thoroughly expect race conditons |
| 02:02:20 | roolku | Stalwart: this is on h120: http://roolku.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/scrollbug.jpg |
| 02:02:59 | jhMikeS | guess it's not that :P |
| 02:04:11 | jhMikeS | dang it just happened...the scroller is tool high by the height of the system font |
| 02:04:22 | roolku | I suspect somebody is not adding the statusbar height |
| 02:04:28 | Stalwart | :D |
| 02:04:43 | jhMikeS | I'll shut off the statusbar and see |
| 02:05:17 | jhMikeS | exactly...problem gone |
| 02:05:30 | Stalwart | then it's bug |
| 02:05:35 | roolku | jdgorden committed: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6747 |
| 02:05:49 | roolku | maybe something to do with that? |
| 02:06:16 | barrywardell | Compaq_Owner: i think all e200 bootloaders that were released supported dual core |
| 02:06:48 | jhMikeS | guess check the 05 build |
| 02:06:57 | jhMikeS | 09 |
| 02:07:28 | JdGordon | roolku: hmm? what did that break? |
| 02:07:51 | jhMikeS | scrollers don't add the statusbar height in the file browser |
| 02:08:01 | preglow | 280 bytes shaved off, woo |
| 02:08:07 | roolku | JdGordon: only guessing: http://roolku.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/scrollbug.jpg |
| 02:08:29 | JdGordon | cool! WTF? |
| 02:09:03 | JdGordon | very possible it was 6747 that broke that tho |
| 02:09:07 | mcscruff | i just loaded an old build and it has no database option on the main menu, was this not implemented then ? |
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| 02:09:45 | JdGordon | guess so |
| 02:09:57 | mcscruff | then how do u play music :S |
| 02:10:12 | JdGordon | you go through the file browser as it was then |
| 02:10:25 | Llorean | mcscruff: You don't need the database to play music, and as well, the database is there in your build you just get to it a different way. |
| 02:10:36 | mcscruff | i cant see the IPOD_Control dir tho |
| 02:10:49 | Llorean | mcscruff: Why don't use use a current build, then? |
| 02:11:07 | mcscruff | coz all the themes look messed up coz i cant add the patch they need :) |
| 02:11:19 | * | JdGordon is going to the motor show. ill check out that scroll bug later in the arvo if im not beaten to it |
| 02:11:28 | Llorean | mcscruff: Well, you do realize those other builds are UNSUPPORTED, that's why they're listed as such. |
| 02:11:57 | mcscruff | yep, just thought they might still have the same menu tho |
| 02:12:02 | mcscruff | coz they are only a month old |
| 02:12:11 | jhMikeS | preglow: what's the final speedup on the asm? |
| 02:12:30 | preglow | wouldn't know, having a final read now to see if it's all correct |
| 02:12:37 | Llorean | mcscruff: They're older than the new Root Menu |
| 02:12:44 | preglow | 99% of all times i'll catch some bugs that way |
| 02:13:20 | Snufkin | is there a howto page on converting my videos to rockbox-playable format? |
| 02:13:44 | Llorean | Snufkin: The PluginMpegplayer page in the wiki |
| 02:14:21 | Snufkin | thanks |
| 02:14:59 | jhMikeS | when I use the font I normally use, I don't get scroller out of place. |
| 02:16:30 | jhMikeS | probably some kind of x % m problem |
| 02:21:17 | roolku | jhMikeS: yes, could be possible that only fonts with heights greater than 2x sysfont height are affected |
| 02:21:58 | jhMikeS | not greater cause I have one that is greater and not affected, but it's not an even multiple either |
| 02:23:08 | jhMikeS | how big is that font in the pic? |
| 02:23:25 | roolku | 19pixels |
| 02:24:53 | DataGhost | woohoo |
| 02:24:58 | DataGhost | mdcrack is a really useful program |
| 02:25:00 | DataGhost | Collision found ! => admin |
| 02:25:02 | DataGhost | :') |
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| 02:26:48 | roolku | I have a helvetica font that is labelled 18 (but looks bigger than the 19pix font) and works fine |
| 02:27:37 | jhMikeS | is the full cell height 24? |
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| 02:28:03 | BigMac | How do I register for a jabber id |
| 02:28:10 | Stalwart | BigMac: get jabber client |
| 02:28:20 | Stalwart | PSI is nice |
| 02:28:32 | BigMac | I have gaim which supposedly has jabber built in |
| 02:29:15 | Stalwart | it should have "register new jabber id" checkbox |
| 02:29:20 | BigMac | oh |
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| 02:30:23 | Stalwart | registering jabber is so easy that it's usually just a checkbox |
| 02:30:47 | Stalwart | in PSI when you add account there's checkbox "register new" |
| 02:32:10 | BigMac | yah it was just a button |
| 02:32:24 | BigMac | how long do I have to wait for confirmation code |
| 02:33:31 | BigMac | arg I have no idea if it is working |
| 02:34:00 | roolku | jhMikeS: now that is interesting. to find out the height of the font I turned of the statusbar (it fits 6 lines on h120 i.e. 128/6 ~= 21) |
| 02:34:38 | roolku | jhMikeS: but now it has the same bug, but the scroller is sysfont height below the line |
| 02:36:25 | jhMikeS | It's obviously doing some overfancy calculation. |
| 02:37:50 | Stalwart | BigMac: no confirmation codes, jsut log in and add people to your roster |
| 02:38:07 | * | roolku needs to go to bed... |
| 02:38:28 | Stalwart | if you have gmail.com account then you have gmail.com jabber account will all your gmail contacts in roster already ;) |
| 02:38:29 | Soap | BigMac: jabber conformation on Flyspray does not work to the best of my knowledge. There was a thread on this in the mailing list within the last 10 days if you want to confirm. |
| 02:38:29 | BigMac | Stalwart: There is a confirmation code for flyspray though |
| 02:38:37 | roolku | Maybe jdgordon has more insights... |
| 02:38:41 | Stalwart | BigMac: ah, flyspray |
| 02:38:43 | BigMac | Soap: Ah |
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| 02:39:03 | Llorean | BigMac: The Flyspray Jabber confirmation doesn't work. Just use email. |
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| 02:39:06 | BigMac | Soap: So how do I get my messages over jabber, or does that no longer work |
| 02:39:21 | * | Stalwart uploads photos of his brand new embedded computer |
| 02:39:23 | Soap | no idea |
| 02:39:44 | Soap | embeded in a wall? I've been angry like that too! |
| 02:39:53 | BigMac | So I can't get alerts over Jabber Llorean ? |
| 02:39:59 | Llorean | No. |
| 02:39:59 | Stalwart | embedded in desk |
| 02:40:13 | Stalwart | it's wall mounted |
| 02:40:26 | BigMac | Oh nvm then that was the only reason I would need a flyspray account |
| 02:40:43 | Stalwart | i just took my good old server and mounted it behind my desk so i can't see it anymore ;) |
| 02:40:56 | | Quit mcscruff ("Konversation terminated!") |
| 02:41:03 | Llorean | BigMac: You... wanted a flyspray account to receive some sort of messages? |
| 02:41:25 | Soap | email notification of comments to specific tasks works just fine. |
| 02:42:20 | BigMac | Soap: I don't check my email often, but gaim is always running |
| 02:42:48 | BigMac | Llorean: Yah so I would instantly know when the patch I use gets updates |
| 02:45:16 | BigMac | So is there a plan to fix it or are you just forgetting about it |
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| 02:46:41 | * | Stalwart embeds sandwich in stomach |
| 02:46:50 | Llorean | BigMac: Just get a proper email address. Or sign up for a yahoo email address, then sign into it with GAIM and tell GAIM to monitor your email, and you'll get instant updates. |
| 02:46:56 | Soap | instant messages are a silly way to send notifications. If I Recall Correctly the mailing-list thread there is no desire to implement it. |
| 02:47:06 | Llorean | proper email address == one able to be monitored with a client. |
| 02:47:18 | Stalwart | gmail! |
| 02:47:56 | preglow | jhMikeS: what was the name of that particularily demanding spc again? |
| 02:48:29 | BigMac | Llorean: I have an email address but I don't feel it neccessary to monitor it because everyone who would need to contact me can either get me on irc, a forum, or instant messanging service |
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| 02:49:02 | Llorean | BigMac: And so you're unwilling to use a solution that works, and instead want someone else to do work for you instead? |
| 02:49:05 | Soap | Not everyone if you value Flyspray. |
| 02:49:39 | Llorean | The email notification works excellently, but if you're not willing to use it, such is life. |
| 02:50:16 | | Quit barrywardell () |
| 02:51:24 | BigMac | I am not begging them to do it, I was asking if someone else saw the value of it besides me |
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| 02:53:17 | jhMikeS | preglow: hold on...there's dooma track 4, and dai kou ka jidai (probably got that wrong) or Uncharted Waters 2 |
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| 02:55:54 | preglow | aight |
| 02:58:48 | preglow | lo and behold, the clicking is back! |
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| 02:59:16 | jhMikeS | then yous got something a bit off there :) |
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| 03:01:22 | preglow | indeedey |
| 03:03:17 | preglow | yeah, that was quick |
| 03:03:22 | jhMikeS | Darius Twin is good echo checker too |
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| 03:05:24 | preglow | sometimes i get a really weird screen |
| 03:05:28 | preglow | all violet, with some text |
| 03:05:40 | jhMikeS | ?? |
| 03:05:58 | preglow | it started happening after root menu commit |
| 03:06:03 | preglow | ipod spc has no echo :////// |
| 03:06:41 | jhMikeS | enable it and check the changes...Coldfire will soon be down to less that what it was before echo was added :D |
| 03:07:45 | jhMikeS | I'm gonna see about adding the gaussian in |
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| 03:08:43 | preglow | heh |
| 03:08:45 | preglow | will be sweet |
| 03:09:15 | preglow | looks like another round of marginal gains |
| 03:09:18 | jhMikeS | the so called IIR filter there seems a bit fudged...I wonder if the SPC700 hardware really does what that does |
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| 03:09:47 | preglow | iir filter in gaussian interpolation??? |
| 03:09:58 | preglow | the dsp is what interpolates, btw |
| 03:10:01 | preglow | not the spc |
| 03:10:18 | preglow | jhMikeS: seems to shave a couple of percent off boost again :/// |
| 03:10:26 | jhMikeS | no...for decompressing the BRR |
| 03:10:33 | preglow | oh |
| 03:10:41 | preglow | remind me never to write asm for arm again |
| 03:10:54 | jhMikeS | The BRR has 8 delta levels but the filter there only uses four different ones |
| 03:10:57 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:11:31 | jhMikeS | you like it...just admit it ;() |
| 03:13:09 | jhMikeS | I thought the phase swap gave great gains |
| 03:13:51 | jhMikeS | Isn't the SPC700 a package of CPU and DSP? |
| 03:14:48 | preglow | brb |
| 03:20:50 | preglow | ah, might be |
| 03:20:52 | preglow | but i think not |
| 03:21:11 | preglow | well, god knows, it has to give some gains, and now it's written, i sure as bleeding hell won't delete it |
| 03:22:01 | jhMikeS | just put #if 0, #endif around it and commit it :P |
| 03:22:14 | preglow | hahaha |
| 03:22:23 | preglow | i was kinda planning on enabling it too, being the selfish swine i am |
| 03:22:41 | jhMikeS | ok, well if it saves size I guess that's a good thing |
| 03:22:52 | preglow | well, there was some boost gains too |
| 03:22:56 | preglow | just not huge gigantic ones |
| 03:23:21 | preglow | got kinda spoiled with that doing cf, i guess |
| 03:23:24 | jhMikeS | every coldfire one is just huge...anytime I bring emac to bear on anything at all no matter how abusive |
| 03:23:30 | preglow | yeah, know |
| 03:23:52 | preglow | i remember back when optimising libmad before rockbox did sound at all |
| 03:24:00 | preglow | everything i did just blew the ceiling |
| 03:24:32 | jhMikeS | the addition of stall free loops will just make arm users even more jealous |
| 03:25:07 | jhMikeS | I'm just sitting on that and getting other stuff straigh though atm |
| 03:25:42 | preglow | damn, the upsampling innerloop is 6 instructions, how can't it yield more gains than it does? :// |
| 03:26:12 | preglow | 8 cycles without carry branch |
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| 03:29:28 | jhMikeS | piplines? |
| 03:29:36 | jhMikeS | pipelines even? |
| 03:30:46 | preglow | arm4 doesn't really have much of a pipeline to speak of |
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| 03:30:59 | preglow | there's nothing like a stall |
| 03:31:05 | jhMikeS | does ARM have to wait for results before a reg can be used. x86 has that and likes busy registers left alone |
| 03:31:14 | preglow | nope, not afaik |
| 03:31:22 | preglow | arm5 does that, but not arm4 |
| 03:31:39 | preglow | there's fetch, decode and execute stages, that's that |
| 03:31:56 | preglow | where an instruction might use more than one cycle in execute |
| 03:32:04 | preglow | load/store does 3, most others 1 |
| 03:32:21 | preglow | unless they do a parallel load by amount specified in a register, where they use 2 cycles |
| 03:32:49 | jhMikeS | put noops in and see where they actually have no effect if anywhere |
| 03:33:10 | preglow | i sincerely doubt i'd be able to measure anything with any degree of accuracy using only the boost counter |
| 03:33:20 | preglow | not when the savings are as meagre as they are |
| 03:33:48 | jhMikeS | I could with cf, just saving a couple clocks |
| 03:34:21 | preglow | anyway, i've never read anything about any stalls in our arm |
| 03:34:29 | preglow | and i can't be bothered to look at this asm any more now |
| 03:34:32 | preglow | other stuff needs doing |
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| 03:34:35 | jhMikeS | okee |
| 03:34:48 | Snufkin | ok, i installed and it's beautiful and everyting |
| 03:34:49 | preglow | i'll just touch up some comments and shit tomorrow, then commit |
| 03:35:29 | Snufkin | i can watch family guy too on my iriverh340 |
| 03:35:37 | jhMikeS | I really need a way of measuring on a gigabeat though ... kind of a challenge |
| 03:36:27 | Snufkin | but, the playback is very slow. I read about the recommended resolution, and recommended fbs |
| 03:36:31 | jhMikeS | maybe time for a dsp screen with performance counters |
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| 03:37:10 | preglow | jhMikeS: would be excellent, great, and lovely |
| 03:37:16 | preglow | i'm sick and tired of the audio thread screen :// |
| 03:37:31 | preglow | feature of the year as far as i'm concerned |
| 03:37:46 | Snufkin | it says for iRiverH340 to convert the video to 224*176, but for that resolution, 11fps is recommended |
| 03:38:12 | Snufkin | and the manual says mpeg2 can't play at 11fps. |
| 03:38:37 | Snufkin | what's the best thing to do? |
| 03:38:57 | decayedcell | Snufkin are you Snufkin from OCAU? |
| 03:39:06 | jhMikeS | I suppose adding timing functions to the start and end of dsp_process would be good and have them be NULL pointers normally. |
| 03:39:09 | Snufkin | i don't know what OCAU means |
| 03:39:17 | decayedcell | okay wrong person then :p |
| 03:39:52 | Snufkin | i can pretend to be him if it will make you help me :) |
| 03:40:35 | decayedcell | 11 FPS is the native FPS that the H300 supports for videos isn't it |
| 03:40:46 | decayedcell | I'm pretty sure it can do more than 11 on Rockbox |
| 03:41:02 | jhMikeS | is there a lick of emac code in that video decoder yet? |
| 03:41:09 | preglow | jhMikeS: would need to hijack timer2 for hires timing all the time, but i can live with that |
| 03:41:11 | Snufkin | well, the video is playing slowly |
| 03:41:23 | preglow | jhMikeS: i think idct is emaced |
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| 03:41:34 | decayedcell | are you trying a sample video Snufkin |
| 03:41:36 | preglow | anyway |
| 03:41:40 | Snufkin | maybe it's above 25, i don't know |
| 03:41:51 | preglow | if i keep yawning like this, my jaw'll fall off |
| 03:41:54 | decayedcell | if its below 25 you'll notice lag |
| 03:42:06 | preglow | so i'm going to bed |
| 03:42:09 | preglow | nightie |
| 03:42:10 | Snufkin | not a sample, it's an 87MB mpeg |
| 03:42:10 | jhMikeS | preglow: heh...goodnight |
| 03:43:24 | Snufkin | i thought that above 25 makes it slower, maybe because then the player can't handle all those frames? i have zero knowledge in that area |
| 03:43:58 | Insectoid | What s/he means is that you'll notice lag in the video. I think |
| 03:44:00 | decayedcell | under 25 FPS will be perceived as laggy to the human eye |
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| 03:44:22 | zorton | just got nano line-in working :) |
| 03:44:29 | decayedcell | you can notice it in games, if the game is running under 25 FPS you'll notice choppiness |
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| 03:44:50 | decayedcell | so, you want the video to be at least 25 FPS, and you want the player to handle that |
| 03:45:08 | Snufkin | oh, it's more than that. the video was way behind the audio |
| 03:45:31 | omega21 | Hi there, I had rockbox on my iPod Video (5th gen) and the battery life was horrible compared to Apple's firmware. Has that improved at all over the last 3 months or so? |
| 03:45:41 | decayedcell | thats an mpegplayer problem. If the video and audio are synced then its not the mpg's fault. mpegplayer doesn't sync video and audio properly yet |
| 03:45:52 | * | jhMikeS can't find a single instance of mac.w or mac.l in the mpegplayer |
| 03:45:55 | decayedcell | omega21 yes but only by an hour or two I believe |
| 03:46:01 | omega21 | okay |
| 03:46:04 | omega21 | also |
| 03:46:24 | jhMikeS | no wonder it's a pig |
| 03:46:29 | omega21 | I would leave my iPod plugged in and when it fully charged, it would reboot. is that normal? |
| 03:46:37 | Snufkin | the audio keeps gaining on the video. it's like the video is twice slower |
| 03:46:41 | omega21 | (only in rockbox) |
| 03:47:02 | decayedcell | omega21 plugged into the AC adapter or computer? |
| 03:47:10 | omega21 | it was an AC adapter. |
| 03:47:20 | decayedcell | this issue has been fixed now, you used to have to hold Menu to plugin to the AC adapter |
| 03:47:27 | Snufkin | i'm trying to specify fps=25 for vlc. maybe it will help |
| 03:47:28 | omega21 | oh |
| 03:47:31 | omega21 | i always did |
| 03:47:39 | omega21 | but when the battery reached 100% it would still reboot |
| 03:48:16 | decayedcell | omega21 so you're saying that when the battery charged up to 100% it would automatically reboot? Weird I've never had that problem before, and I just charged to 100% yesterday with Rockbox + AC adapter |
| 03:48:41 | omega21 | hmm |
| 03:48:52 | omega21 | maybe it was a different version or something |
| 03:49:00 | omega21 | but yes |
| 03:49:03 | Snufkin | Is turning off the unit intentionally disabled while charging? |
| 03:49:06 | omega21 | that was exactly what happened |
| 03:49:23 | omega21 | like |
| 03:49:30 | decayedcell | Rockbox updates just about everyday, theres a good chance that it is fixed now. I suggest you download one of the daily builds and see if you have the same problem |
| 03:49:37 | omega21 | ill try that |
| 03:49:45 | omega21 | thanks for the help everyone |
| 03:49:48 | omega21 | all the best. |
| 03:49:50 | scorche | just about everyday? |
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| 03:50:02 | scorche | try just about an average of 10 times a day =P |
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| 03:51:20 | decayedcell | lol scorche I remember the other week when there was about 20 commits to fix the red builds :p |
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| 03:53:22 | Snufkin | fps=25 didn't help. it is exactly the same as before |
| 03:53:55 | Snufkin | i would try fps=11 but is it legal mpeg? |
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| 03:55:01 | decayedcell | well if it errors out then no lol |
| 03:55:53 | Snufkin | gspot tells me the original fps is 23.976 |
| 03:56:23 | decayedcell | well there you go Snufkin |
| 03:56:33 | decayedcell | that would be NTSC content I think |
| 03:56:53 | decayedcell | you'll need something like DGIndex to convert it from 23.976 to 30 or 25 first |
| 03:57:13 | Snufkin | oh. i thought vlc could take care of it. |
| 03:58:14 | decayedcell | Snufkin - http://neuron2.net/dgmpgdec/DGIndexManual.html |
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| 03:58:28 | decayedcell | Read the Field Operation bit, brb |
| 03:59:54 | Snufkin | there's also a patch i didn't apply yet, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5995 |
| 04:00 |
| 04:03:00 | Snufkin | can end users use patches, or is it a developer thing? |
| 04:04:21 | safetydan | Snufkin, anyone can use them, it just means you need to learn how to compile your own build. |
| 04:06:45 | Snufkin | ok. thanks everyone. it's too late now. i'll try another time |
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| 04:21:16 | lachlan1224 | hey, i read in the logs just before that co processor support is in svn now? |
| 04:21:24 | lachlan1224 | what kind of state is it in? |
| 04:21:45 | BigMac | Soap: are you around? |
| 04:21:51 | Llorean | lachlan1224: Threads can be put on the coprocessor, and will run there |
| 04:22:16 | lachlan1224 | are the increases in performance significant? |
| 04:22:48 | Llorean | Noticeable, but they don't seem to be as significant as they should be, it's suspected that something is still getting in the way. |
| 04:23:31 | lachlan1224 | has battery life improved? |
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| 04:24:21 | Llorean | It doesn't seem to have. |
| 04:25:12 | lachlan1224 | hmm, thats a shame |
| 04:25:44 | Llorean | Well the expectation would've been, if anything, that battery life might've gotten worse. |
| 04:25:51 | Llorean | Since we'd have even more hardware active. |
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| 04:28:19 | lachlan1224 | but wasn the second processor running anyway before the patch? |
| 04:29:24 | Llorean | We thought it wasn't, but since the battery life didn't change in a statistically significant manner, that suggests it was. |
| 04:29:46 | JdGordon | anyone know why there is a seperate scroll thread function in each lcd-*.c file instead of 1 sroll.c ? |
| 04:29:53 | Colt^onLinux | General question, not in your faq... i want to get a new flash based player to run rockbox, which one runs it best/ is the best? |
| 04:30:21 | Llorean | Colt^onLinux: The only good one so far is a hardware codec target, any of the supported Ondios. |
| 04:31:14 | Colt^onLinux | hardware codec target? |
| 04:31:21 | JdGordon | Colt^onLinux: if you can get a gen 1 nano then thats pretty good.. or the sansa if you can wait till sound works |
| 04:31:51 | JdGordon | unless battery life is really important (gen1 nano gets about 9.5 hours atm) |
| 04:32:10 | Llorean | JdGordon: Less than that, for me. I'd say closer to 7.5ish |
| 04:32:23 | Llorean | But mine's about a year old, I guess. |
| 04:32:25 | Colt^onLinux | thats pretty decent, enough for a day of tunes |
| 04:32:38 | JdGordon | exactly. |
| 04:32:40 | Llorean | Colt^onLinux: Hardware Codec meaning "Only plays MP3 because decoding is handled by a piece of hardware" |
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| 04:34:12 | Colt^onLinux | so the Ondios are different because of that? |
| 04:34:24 | JdGordon | yes |
| 04:35:01 | JdGordon | which also means they dont have anywhere near as good codec support as the newer targets |
| 04:35:33 | cmptrgy412 | HOw is sound coming on the sansa btw? |
| 04:35:59 | Colt^onLinux | so they decode mp3 by hardware only wheras others use software? |
| 04:36:04 | Soap | I think it is taking the red-eye from Cleveland into Chicago. |
| 04:36:10 | Colt^onLinux | i thought they all had mp3 decoder chips n stuff |
| 04:36:14 | Llorean | No. |
| 04:36:24 | DaggyDun | i read mention of a fading lcd in the sansa forums. How do i go about doing this? |
| 04:36:27 | JdGordon | cmptrgy412: last i read in the logs was we have distored noise in one ear? |
| 04:36:35 | Llorean | Most of the players just have microprocessors and use software codecs to decode various formats. |
| 04:36:52 | Llorean | JdGordon: I believe it's up to 'no distortion' now, actually |
| 04:36:54 | Colt^onLinux | oh i see. |
| 04:36:56 | cmptrgy412 | I just looked at the log. apparently the fixed that |
| 04:36:58 | cmptrgy412 | yeah |
| 04:36:59 | JdGordon | oh awesome :) |
| 04:37:16 | JdGordon | still one ear? or both? |
| 04:37:18 | Llorean | cmptrgy412: There's not much point of asking the status. It'll be done when it gets done, and asking won't make it happen any faster. |
| 04:37:30 | cmptrgy412 | Just curious |
| 04:37:47 | cmptrgy412 | I need to know when to plan the party |
| 04:38:36 | BigMac | Soap: What was the command again that is more friendly on bandwidth and just replaces svn items you have altered? |
| 04:39:10 | Soap | "svn revert -R ." from your rockbox directory. |
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| 04:58:45 | Insectoid | I seem to have bricked my Ipod |
| 04:59:33 | Soap | you would be the first. |
| 05:00 |
| 05:00:07 | Insectoid | When I connect it via USB, it sticks. Then sometimes I'll get the USB device not recognized. |
| 05:01:05 | Soap | "it sticks"? |
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| 05:06:58 | Llorean | Insectoid: What exactly do you mean by 'it sticks' and what happens if you manually reboot into disk omde, and then plug in the USB cable? |
| 05:08:07 | Insectoid | I just did that, booted it, waited for it to get to the file explorer. Once it was up, I plugged it in, windows recognized it, so I tried to go to the drive so I could cut all the data off prior to formatting it and repatching it. |
| 05:08:45 | Insectoid | It stuck when I went h: then ls at shell but the autoplay dialog just came up so let's see. |
| 05:08:55 | Soap | booting rockbox is not the same as putting it into Apple's Disk Mode. |
| 05:09:07 | Insectoid | Oh didn't see your disk mode bit |
| 05:09:41 | Insectoid | when I switched to the h: drive this time, The request could not be performed because of an I/O device error. |
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| 05:12:39 | Insectoid | Oh fun |
| 05:12:52 | Insectoid | Glancing at services tells me removable storage is stopped...? So I started it |
| 05:14:14 | Llorean | Perhaps you should try restarting your computer. |
| 05:14:49 | Soap | what model iPod is it? |
| 05:15:06 | Insectoid | 5g |
| 05:15:16 | Soap | 30 or 60 GB? |
| 05:15:33 | Insectoid | I have some theories as to why it's not working including Mojopack and Rockbox disagreeing over something... Thirty. |
| 05:16:19 | Soap | Rockbox has nothing to do with your computer's USB disk interaction with an iPod, that is entirely Apple OS. |
| 05:16:36 | Insectoid | Oh, dear. I certainly have broken something then haven't I? |
| 05:16:51 | Soap | have you booted it into disk mode yet? |
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| 05:17:18 | Insectoid | No. I'll do that as soon as I check one other thing |
| 05:17:47 | Soap | dude, there is a reason that booting it into disk mode was the first suggestion. |
| 05:17:53 | Insectoid | Ok so we see it with ipodpatcher −−scan |
| 05:18:09 | Soap | what does that have to do with anything? Nothing. |
| 05:18:40 | Soap | take that back - that has something to do with it... |
| 05:18:54 | Insectoid | Well, I was thinking that perhaps I broke something hardwareish like this cable or the thrice-repaired USB ports on the laptop |
| 05:19:16 | Llorean | That's entirely possible. |
| 05:19:23 | Insectoid | So I saw if it got seened. |
| 05:19:26 | Insectoid | Which it did |
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| 05:20:05 | Llorean | Most iPod USB problems reported to us turn out to be unreliable cables, or computers that either have bad ports, software issues, or otherwise. |
| 05:20:49 | Insectoid | Ah H: is responding now how kind of it |
| 05:21:08 | Llorean | Rockbox doesn't actually have a USB mode, it just kicks you into one of the ones Apple provides. The only problem Rockbox can cause is if your computer's USB systems hang up while waiting for the iPod to restart into the Disk Mode. |
| 05:23:17 | Insectoid | Another question, earlier I happened to glance in here and heard something about coprocessor support −− does that take the place of the CoP8 patch? |
| 05:24:07 | Llorean | The Kernel_on_Cop task has been closed as accepted. |
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| 05:41:59 | jbwan | evening |
| 05:42:19 | jbwan | just wanted to join and say: Rockbox truly rocks :) |
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| 05:43:36 | lachlan | indeed, it does |
| 05:45:02 | jbwan | I was able to take my iPod video and ressurect it from bad Apple firmware |
| 05:45:10 | jbwan | much cooler themes as well |
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| 05:54:42 | lachlan | I'm still shackled to the original OS until DataGhost or LinusN can get 80GB support:( |
| 05:56:01 | jbwan | My daugther is begging for it but no support for 2nd gen nano either |
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| 05:59:17 | Soap | that is going to take considerably longer. |
| 06:00 |
| 06:00:08 | Soap | If it is a huge deal, you can eBay a 2nd generation Nano for what a 1st generation one costs (refurbished = better than new IMHO) from the Apple store. |
| 06:01:33 | lachlan | why wuld a refurbished be better than new? |
| 06:01:36 | lachlan | would* |
| 06:02:03 | Soap | (unless we are talking the 8GB model which has no 1st generation equivelent.) (Though you could sell that for enough money to get a Mini 2g, a new battery, and a 8GB CF card) (or you could sell it for enough to get a new Sansa, which is small, flash, and will have audio sooner than the iPod 2nd gen) |
| 06:02:29 | Soap | Refurbushed = better than new because it was tested better than the average product to come off the assembly line. |
| 06:02:53 | lachlan | but ti comes with a shorter warranty? |
| 06:03:05 | jbwan | I contemplated ebaying my 60 GB video and snagging a Sansa until I found Rockbox |
| 06:03:20 | Soap | if it does, does it have a shorter warranty than what you have left on the 2nd gen? |
| 06:03:21 | jbwan | don't get me started on warranty |
| 06:03:48 | Llorean | Also, Rockbox very likely voids the warranty anyway. |
| 06:03:57 | jbwan | Apple doesn't honor the warranty anyway. I've been run around the bush about 12 times over 6 months |
| 06:04:13 | Soap | Apple is pretty tight with their warranty anyhoo. I've heard great things about Best Buy's extended warranty, though. |
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| 06:04:34 | jbwan | Llorean: how so? Just revert |
| 06:04:49 | Llorean | jbwan: You've still voided the warranty, you'd just be lying to them about it at that point. |
| 06:04:51 | jbwan | I'm sure if you fry the device it's null and void :) |
| 06:05:30 | Llorean | Installing Rockbox is actually safer than updating the Apple firmware. |
| 06:05:34 | jbwan | what I do with the device after I purchase it is my business unless I'm physically damaging it intentionally and try to get a new one |
| 06:05:42 | jbwan | agreed |
| 06:05:52 | Llorean | jbwan: Yes, but they aren't require to provide ANY service on the device after you buy it. |
| 06:06:13 | Soap | Rockbox only gets 1/2 the battery life of stock. How do you know that isn't harming hardware? How do they? |
| 06:06:17 | jbwan | don't I know it..even with their purchased extended warranty |
| 06:06:18 | Llorean | The warranty explicitly states terms under which they'll service it, and if you exercise your right to do whatever you want with it, and break those terms, then you've exercised your right to say "I no longer need your service" |
| 06:06:30 | Soap | It definately is adding wear-and-tear to the battery. |
| 06:06:40 | jbwan | well I definately have now.... |
| 06:07:03 | jbwan | and I do have doubt about the fact I'll ever buy another Apple device in particular |
| 06:07:32 | aliask | What's the accepted way to set the bits individually of some variable? |
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| 06:07:53 | jbwan | because of the lack of service I was provided up until my rockbox enlightenment |
| 06:09:46 | aliask | Nevermind, found it. |
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| 06:13:54 | threethirty | hi all |
| 06:14:51 | aliask | Hey there |
| 06:15:55 | threethirty | I was wondering if there has been any discussion about running rockbox on a zune? |
| 06:16:25 | Soap | there has been talk, but someone with a Zune needs to step up. |
| 06:17:33 | threethirty | lol, I was looking at one in a store and thought wow this would be great to run linux on |
| 06:18:18 | jbwan | they appear a bit flimsy to me in design |
| 06:18:27 | jbwan | is that really the case? or am I just paranoid? |
| 06:19:05 | threethirty | i didnt play with it very long, so i really dont know |
| 06:24:14 | BigMac | can someone see what I did wrong |
| 06:24:15 | BigMac | http://rafb.net/p/HDVWG658.html |
| 06:25:05 | aliask | The problem with the zune and gigabeat s is that they have firmware that is probably digitally signed - so we need to find a weakness in the bootloader to exploit. |
| 06:26:37 | aliask | BigMac: Were you tinkering in that file? |
| 06:27:40 | threethirty | welp everyone I'm off to bed |
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| 06:28:04 | BigMac | aliask: What file? |
| 06:28:10 | aliask | playback.c |
| 06:28:15 | BigMac | no |
| 06:29:52 | aliask | What patches have you got in the mix? |
| 06:30:35 | safetydan | BigMac, I think you picked a bad time to update |
| 06:30:42 | safetydan | just reupdate your svn and try again |
| 06:30:53 | safetydan | jhMikeS is playing with audio init stuff again |
| 06:31:15 | BigMac | aliask: just album art |
| 06:31:30 | aliask | Ok, I think safetydan found the problem |
| 06:31:33 | BigMac | safetydan: but my normal ipod build compiled |
| 06:31:53 | safetydan | BigMac, the problem only affected simulator compiles |
| 06:31:57 | safetydan | just do the update and try again |
| 06:32:03 | BigMac | ok' |
| 06:32:52 | BigMac | just svn up? |
| 06:32:59 | BigMac | that only retrieved one file |
| 06:33:37 | Soap | stubs.c? |
| 06:33:43 | BigMac | yessuh |
| 06:34:30 | jhMikeS | safetydan: yeah, messed up the sim builds temporarily |
| 06:34:44 | safetydan | BigMac, then that's all you need |
| 06:35:02 | jhMikeS | should be good to go now |
| 06:35:19 | BigMac | ok |
| 06:36:07 | jhMikeS | except for e200 ... |
| 06:36:09 | jhMikeS | :( |
| 06:40:17 | Soap | was SVN 12706 for performance reasons or to create cleaner code? |
| 06:42:31 | safetydan | Soap, I can't imagine it's for performance reasons as all setmargins does is set two variables |
| 06:43:04 | Soap | thank you, I was just curious. |
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| 06:57:47 | BigMac | hmm, any reason why it takes a few tries before my computer recognizes my ipod anmore |
| 06:57:56 | BigMac | anymore=now |
| 06:58:08 | BigMac | and i have tried different computer |
| 06:58:10 | BigMac | s |
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| 06:59:54 | Insectoid | Let's pretend I'm stupid. Um. Let's just take that as a fact... |
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| 07:00:07 | Insectoid | And let's say that in a fit of brilliance I formatted my Ipod. Fat32 of course. |
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| 07:04:29 | Insectoid | Ah... |
| 07:04:31 | Insectoid | better |
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| 07:15:26 | amiconn | 15 hours runtime... beating the original firmware :) |
| 07:15:33 | aliask | X5? |
| 07:15:36 | amiconn | yup |
| 07:15:39 | aliask | Cool |
| 07:16:03 | aliask | MPA/Vorbis/? |
| 07:16:08 | amiconn | mp3 |
| 07:16:26 | amiconn | −−preset standard and around 200kbps |
| 07:17:46 | amiconn | That was without backlight. Next run will be with backlight always on, default brightness |
| 07:18:40 | amiconn | Need to charge first |
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| 07:29:54 | jhMikeS | amiconn: x5 or x5l? Send me some battery curves while you're at it. |
| 07:30:08 | amiconn | x5 |
| 07:30:41 | jhMikeS | you have a battery bench right? |
| 07:30:59 | amiconn | I'm doing this mainly because both the curve and the estimation are way off |
| 07:31:18 | jhMikeS | oh...I got stuck months ago trying to get that info |
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| 07:31:30 | amiconn | I will also make some benches on the m5l next week, but those will take time... |
| 07:31:50 | mitch04 | hi anyone here working on the creative zen vision m porting |
| 07:31:50 | mitch04 | ? |
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| 07:32:34 | aliask | mitch04: I don't think anybody has really started anything much yet |
| 07:32:36 | jhMikeS | I have a good run for an x5l though from someone. The two batteries need different treatment I think. |
| 07:32:45 | mitch04 | oh k |
| 07:32:55 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Getting which info? Some battery benches will tell us all we need to know |
| 07:33:40 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Afaik it's impossible to tell x5/x5l and m5/m5l apart in firmware |
| 07:34:08 | jhMikeS | well...till we can, could have two curves available |
| 07:34:28 | jhMikeS | That's why I wanted to see if reading the serial chip would tell that |
| 07:34:38 | amiconn | And I doubt we need 2 curves |
| 07:34:39 | JdGordon | amiconn: you know the scroll code right? is the scroll thread code the same for all bmp displays? |
| 07:35:09 | jhMikeS | The L battery stays near the charge voltage quite a bit longer |
| 07:35:11 | amiconn | I think that we should even be able to use the same curve for all LiPo targets |
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| 07:36:11 | jhMikeS | it doesn't have the steeper initial curve |
| 07:36:37 | amiconn | That'd make 4 curves in total (not counting scaled ones for multiple cells in series): NiMH (player,v1,Ondio), alkaline (Ondio), LiIon (fm/v2), LiPo (all newer) |
| 07:37:21 | amiconn | JdGordon: Atm it is, but that will probably change |
| 07:37:32 | JdGordon | oh? why? |
| 07:37:37 | jhMikeS | would be nice that way but I think x5l will show 100% for way too long with the same curve as non-L. It's very flat all the way to 3.55V or so. |
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| 07:39:01 | amiconn | If you scale down the time axis by a factor of 2.5 I think the differences will be marginal. I'll see how it looks when having done the first m5l run... |
| 07:39:39 | jhMikeS | I did stretch it out...it didn't really look like the others. |
| 07:39:47 | Insectoid | Whoops? Looks like the latest svn done broke |
| 07:39:53 | Insectoid | MAKE in libm4a |
| 07:39:53 | Insectoid | CC m4a.c |
| 07:39:53 | Insectoid | CC demux.c |
| 07:39:53 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Insectoid |
| 07:39:53 | Insectoid | AR+RANLIB libm4a.a |
| 07:39:53 | Insectoid | LD alac.elf |
| 07:39:54 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 07:39:54 | Insectoid | /root/rockbox/build/libalac.a(alac.o): In function `decode_frame_stereo': |
| 07:39:56 | Insectoid | alac.c:(.text+0x448): relocation truncated to fit: R_ARM_PC24 against `.icode' |
| 07:39:58 | Insectoid | alac.c:(.text+0x604): relocation truncated to fit: R_ARM_PC24 against `.icode' |
| 07:40:00 | Insectoid | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 07:40:02 | Insectoid | make[2]: *** [/root/rockbox/build/apps/codecs/alac.elf] Error 1 |
| 07:40:17 | Llorean | Insectoid: Please don't make multi-line pastes to the channel |
| 07:40:57 | amiconn | jhMikeS: What did the serial number chip tell you? |
| 07:41:38 | Insectoid | Apologies. Suggestions/just wait for the next update? |
| 07:41:39 | jhMikeS | Nothing so far. Haven't even gotten back to that yet. I suppose I'd need to add it and get feedback, that's all. |
| 07:41:57 | Llorean | Insectoid: The build server page shows that it compiles just fine, which suggests it's something at your end. |
| 07:42:04 | Llorean | Insectoid: Try a fresh build folder. |
| 07:42:37 | Insectoid | I'll recheck it out |
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| 07:42:51 | Llorean | You shouldn't need to check the sources out again. |
| 07:43:00 | Llorean | Just make veryclean and re run configure. |
| 07:43:08 | midkay | JdGordon? |
| 07:43:15 | Insectoid | Righto |
| 07:43:23 | JdGordon | amiconn: the actuall logic for the scroll code should be the same on all bmp targets shouldnt it? the only thing that would be different is the actual drawing, which is done with lcd_putsxyofs anyway |
| 07:43:25 | JdGordon | midkay: ?? |
| 07:44:06 | JdGordon | apart from being a bit out of date, I think FS4817 should be commited |
| 07:44:15 | JdGordon | so we can fix a new scroll bug |
| 07:44:31 | jhMikeS | What screen should the SN be on? View HW Info? |
| 07:44:59 | midkay | JdGordon: this is kind of offtopic, sorry.. but could you make it a point to summarize your commits? you do so 95% of the time, but every now and then you just say "fix FS#xxxx" or "accept FS#xxxx".. and it bugs me a bit because then i have to go check out the tracker entry. |
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| 07:45:09 | * | amiconn doesn't know about a new scroll bug |
| 07:45:22 | jhMikeS | there is one |
| 07:45:30 | JdGordon | midkay: hmm.. yeah, sorry, i got lazy because of the auto linking :) |
| 07:45:34 | amiconn | JdGordon: I wanted to unify the common lcd code of all drivers, not only bitmap |
| 07:45:38 | JdGordon | amiconn: use a large font and scroll in the list |
| 07:45:49 | amiconn | But that first requires factoring the charcell driver |
| 07:46:01 | jhMikeS | Just use the system font |
| 07:46:02 | amiconn | ...which I am planning to do |
| 07:46:09 | JdGordon | untill then, would unifiyng all the scrolling code into 1 file be worthwile? |
| 07:46:13 | midkay | JdGordon: haha, the auto linking helps a *lot*.. it's almost not worth mentioning to you. but every time i see it happen like once a week it bugs me a teeny bit more. :D |
| 07:46:24 | JdGordon | hehe ok |
| 07:46:57 | Llorean | Yeah, just one shortish line like "Clears up stop not backing up in filetree on iRiver remotes" would be nice. |
| 07:47:28 | JdGordon | but with a really short msg we can move onto the next bug so much quicker :p |
| 07:47:36 | amiconn | JdGordon: I don't see a problem when scrolling a list with a large font... |
| 07:47:39 | midkay | right, that's what i mean. something short like the flyspray entry title. |
| 07:47:40 | midkay | JdGordon: haha. |
| 07:47:53 | Llorean | amiconn: Not list scrolling. When a line scrolls |
| 07:48:09 | jhMikeS | system font will do too :) |
| 07:48:10 | Llorean | amiconn: For some reason the scrolling text is not aligned with the original text, it's a bit above it in some circumstances. |
| 07:48:12 | amiconn | No problem either... |
| 07:48:21 | * | Llorean hasn't reproduced this bug personally yet. |
| 07:48:23 | JdGordon | http://roolku.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/scrollbug.jpg |
| 07:48:33 | JdGordon | i reproduced it very easily |
| 07:48:35 | * | jhMikeS repeats...system font does it |
| 07:48:40 | amiconn | huh? |
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| 07:48:44 | JdGordon | the problem is the y value isnt stored for the scroll line |
| 07:48:50 | amiconn | I've never seen this on any of my targets... |
| 07:48:51 | jhMikeS | status bar on as well |
| 07:49:01 | amiconn | I always have the status bar enabled |
| 07:49:28 | JdGordon | it was introduced last night... the problem is the list drawing code rightly sets the margin back to the old margin after finishing, but the scroll code assumes the margin hasnt changed |
| 07:49:32 | jhMikeS | h120 does it np |
| 07:49:56 | * | JdGordon wants to overhaul the scroll code to scroll both directions, and on any x,y pixel |
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| 07:50:05 | JdGordon | and of course, the scrolling margins |
| 07:50:07 | amiconn | One step after the other... |
| 07:50:20 | jhMikeS | why not have a global_status of the available screen area? |
| 07:50:21 | JdGordon | first step is unify the scroll thread |
| 07:50:42 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: the button bar does this correctly, but te status bar doesnt.. which is wierd |
| 07:50:52 | * | amiconn thinks that he could already have done viewports if he wouldn't get demotivated all the time |
| 07:51:00 | JdGordon | haha :( |
| 07:51:09 | amiconn | No, really |
| 07:51:26 | JdGordon | motivation... ill forfiet my commit access if viewports goes in... that should motivate you :D |
| 07:51:28 | amiconn | Why does the list code reset the margins, btw? |
| 07:51:33 | jhMikeS | who's responsible for painting the invalidated screen areas? we need drawing message and rectangles now |
| 07:51:38 | JdGordon | because it changes them.. which it should |
| 07:51:44 | amiconn | jhMikeS: urrrrrgh |
| 07:52:04 | amiconn | JdGordon: It should change them back when it leaves, not earlier |
| 07:52:23 | amiconn | That problem also exist in another place |
| 07:52:33 | JdGordon | not really.... it should all be handled in the drawing funciton... not later |
| 07:52:41 | amiconn | ...when the quickscreen resets the font immediately after drawing |
| 07:52:52 | jhMikeS | not like I want to save the covered screen area in ram |
| 07:53:04 | amiconn | If one of the option string then needs to scroll, it changes font, looking really weird |
| 07:53:40 | amiconn | This is because the scrolling is line based |
| 07:54:42 | JdGordon | as apposed to? |
| 07:54:46 | amiconn | With viewports, scrolling lines will inherit the current viewport, properly storing things like font, colour etc |
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| 07:55:19 | amiconn | I'd rather not want hackish incomplete parameter storing in |
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| 07:58:37 | jhMikeS | Are there any major delays when the wolfson codecs are initialized? I poked around and didn't find any but could have missed something. |
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| 08:07:39 | amiconn | JdGordon: With the current scroll code, the rule is that you must not change font, margins, and colours as long as there are scrolling lines on the screen |
| 08:08:27 | amiconn | This cannot be changed in a straightforward way, as the code is line based, and those lines depend on font height and margins |
| 08:09:30 | amiconn | There's also a limitation to a maximum of 32 scrolling lines on large lcds, because it uses bits in an int to store whether a line is scrolling |
| 08:10:48 | jhMikeS | hrm...the owner of the scroller should store that info |
| 08:11:10 | amiconn | There is no 'owner' |
| 08:11:15 | jhMikeS | :) |
| 08:11:25 | amiconn | ...and there won't be either with viewports |
| 08:11:55 | amiconn | The viewport based code won't have this problem, and I hope to introduce a nice optimisation for the G5 as well |
| 08:12:11 | amiconn | ...even though I don't have a G5 |
| 08:14:33 | amiconn | But that will require me to actually work on viewports, instead of arguing about weird ideas, and fixing esoteric features nobody seems to care about making them work *properly* |
| 08:14:56 | aliask | Perhaps if you had the time to document the viewports someone might pick up the project |
| 08:15:23 | aliask | Unless documenting it will be harder than writing it... :P |
| 08:15:35 | amiconn | Documenting will probably take more time than implementing |
| 08:15:53 | aliask | Damn. |
| 08:15:57 | amiconn | JdGordon: There will be more unified lcd code than just the scrolling |
| 08:16:33 | jhMikeS | what sort of method for redrawing uncovered bits? invalid areas or saving the bits? can't think of a third option atm if there is one. |
| 08:17:21 | amiconn | I hope to also make it easier to keep charcell code in, by making a number of bitmap lcd functions also available on charcell, in a way that they can be used the same way wherever possible |
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| 08:18:21 | amiconn | e.g. lcd_getstringsize(): It will calculate sizes based on a "virtual" font size of 1x1, so it will match margin setting which will also work line/column based etc |
| 08:19:11 | jhMikeS | amiconn: haven't settled on it or you're keep it all to yourself? :) |
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| 08:21:24 | jhMikeS | guess that anwers that |
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| 08:21:48 | khalsa | Hey guys, how to make rockbox use playlists larger than 20k ? |
| 08:23:23 | JdGordon | amiconn: sure, but unifying the scroll code would be a good start wouldnt it... seems out of place int he lcd code imo |
| 08:23:48 | * | JdGordon will revert the commit and do it in the naughty-but-working place |
| 08:24:01 | midkay | "do it in the naughty-but-working place" - oh dear! |
| 08:24:11 | amiconn | Just unifying the scroll code wouldn't fix the problem |
| 08:24:35 | amiconn | And fixing the problem in the scroll code will be rather difficult |
| 08:24:40 | JdGordon | no, but it would make it easier.... why doesnt the scroll line store the y value when its setup? |
| 08:24:47 | JdGordon | no it wont... |
| 08:24:52 | amiconn | Because it's line based, as I said |
| 08:25:24 | amiconn | The scroll code just works on the same grid of lines that lcd_puts() uses |
| 08:25:50 | amiconn | Changing margins or font will change that grid |
| 08:26:28 | amiconn | Changing the font will not only change the position of the scrolling line, but also the font within that line |
| 08:26:42 | amiconn | ...immediately |
| 08:26:50 | JdGordon | this sounds backwards to me.... the y should be stored when the scroll line is set |
| 08:26:54 | JdGordon | just like the x val |
| 08:27:11 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe I was unclear |
| 08:27:26 | amiconn | Storing the x is also a hack |
| 08:27:58 | amiconn | There is a whole set of parameters that needs to be stored if don't want to keep the current approach |
| 08:28:47 | amiconn | But I'd rather want this in a clean way |
| 08:28:57 | JdGordon | clean is always good |
| 08:29:04 | amiconn | Storing the y will mix up the lines |
| 08:29:12 | amiconn | Storing the x didn't |
| 08:29:52 | JdGordon | so the big problem is changin the font? why not make the font loader call a scroll_init() or something to adjust the y values? |
| 08:30:01 | JdGordon | dropping any lines which dont fit anymore? |
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| 08:31:43 | amiconn | That wouldn't work with the current approach |
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| 08:32:23 | amiconn | ...and it's not just dropping what doesn't fit anymore |
| 08:32:39 | amiconn | Check the quickscreen on recorder (sim), then you'll see what I mean |
| 08:32:56 | amiconn | I mean, check it with a font different from the default |
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| 08:35:53 | * | JdGordon back soon.. dinner |
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| 08:46:51 | jhMikeS | so the m5 has a DS2411 but the M3 does not or was it just not added to the list? |
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| 08:48:24 | jhMikeS | just x5? |
| 08:50:07 | amiconn | Dunno... |
| 08:50:26 | amiconn | The m3 isn't supported, will check the m5 |
| 08:50:33 | amiconn | I didn't take a look in yet |
| 08:51:00 | jhMikeS | Guess it'll make a differece where I stash it |
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| 09:14:41 | JdGordon | midkay: I dont know that 6747 is critical... |
| 09:14:57 | midkay | what? |
| 09:14:59 | JdGordon | also, how can something have a severity of critical but not be very high priority? |
| 09:15:12 | midkay | i didn't change that... i set it to 0% complete. |
| 09:15:17 | midkay | or did it get changed anyways? |
| 09:15:18 | JdGordon | oh... woops :p |
| 09:15:29 | midkay | there.. :) |
| 09:15:35 | JdGordon | i dunnno, i didnt notice the severity before |
| 09:16:07 | midkay | i think it was brighter red like high or critical.. can't remember. |
| 09:16:34 | Llorean | If you modify one with no severity set, and you have the power to change severity, it defaults to critical unfortunately |
| 09:19:10 | midkay | upgrade flyspray! |
| 09:19:31 | midkay | i wish there were more bug/etc trackers out there. flyspray seems a little limited to me. |
| 09:21:02 | JdGordon | write a new one then :p |
| 09:21:08 | midkay | yeah right!! |
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| 09:21:21 | Llorean | Flyspray doesn't seem that bad. |
| 09:21:35 | midkay | the difference between "that bad" and "really nice".. :) |
| 09:21:54 | midkay | honestly, no, it really isn't that bad at all. but it still seems kinda limited. at least the version we run. |
| 09:22:01 | Llorean | Well, I can't think of very much of anything I'd consider 'really nice' :-P |
| 09:22:26 | midkay | exactly - thus my statement about the lack of bug/etc trackers out there. :) |
| 09:22:53 | midkay | there's sourceforge which we had.. ugh.. flyspray.. bugzilla? seems way complicated... can't think of anything else. there isn't much else. |
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| 09:23:20 | Llorean | Well another thing is if you get more powerful, you get more complicated, and then you frighten off even more reporters. |
| 09:24:08 | midkay | i don't necessarily mean powerful. i mean flyspray even lacks some simple things. like you click on a username and you get a blank page.. i'd expect to see some information, maybe some contact information, and definitely their recently-submitted items etc.. |
| 09:24:16 | scorche | there is also trac, but meh |
| 09:24:22 | Llorean | midkay: I actually think that's a bug |
| 09:24:33 | midkay | searching seems very limited and finicky. |
| 09:25:48 | midkay | the whole severity/priority thing is maybe a little overcomplicated.. i think all the filing options overall come off as complicated yet not very powerful to me. |
| 09:26:10 | Llorean | I think severity/priority is a bit confusing, but also meaningful. |
| 09:26:24 | Llorean | Severity is a rating of how much it affects users, while priority is a rating of how important fixing it is. |
| 09:26:54 | midkay | some sort of priority setting is of course important. and i can see the difference between them if i think about it. but i can't see many cases that they'd be far apart either. |
| 09:27:02 | midkay | oh, this bug erases the user's hard disk, but it's at the bottom of the to-do list? |
| 09:27:27 | midkay | or this is a tiny rare unimportant cosmetic glitch with the quickscreen display but it's an immediate to-do? |
| 09:27:28 | Llorean | How about if someone posted a metadata on buffer patch? |
| 09:27:37 | midkay | meaning? |
| 09:27:49 | JdGordon | Llorean: he would be corwned king |
| 09:27:50 | Llorean | I'd say that's a very high priority, but being that it's a patch that doesn't even change the user-visible functionality, the severity is basically nil |
| 09:27:52 | JdGordon | crowned* |
| 09:28:08 | midkay | Llorean: i don't think "severity" applies to patches.. just bugs. :) |
| 09:28:28 | JdGordon | and priority for requests??? wtf? |
| 09:28:36 | JdGordon | or severity for that matter |
| 09:28:41 | Llorean | JdGordon: They can't set them, though. |
| 09:28:55 | JdGordon | oh? was that changed? I thought they could |
| 09:29:00 | midkay | i think one "priority" setting would do it.. low/normal/high/critical. and for patches this means how important it is, like metadata on buffer = high. nice to have. bugs, it's how critical it is.. feature requests? i guess higher = stuff we should do sooner. |
| 09:29:24 | midkay | like, severity is good for bugs only. and priority is good for patches. if they were combined.. |
| 09:29:30 | Llorean | JdGordon: Not any more, only 'we' can. |
| 09:29:35 | JdGordon | k |
| 09:30:12 | rp- | barrywardell: any luck with the sound? |
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| 09:30:34 | barrywardell | rp-: I figured out why volume changing wasn't working |
| 09:30:52 | rp- | at least something |
| 09:31:12 | barrywardell | and I can get sound through two channels |
| 09:31:17 | barrywardell | but it's not very good |
| 09:31:28 | JdGordon | better than no sound :D |
| 09:31:38 | rp- | ah great, what did you do for the 2 channels? |
| 09:33:59 | barrywardell | it's all to do with line 105 and 107 of pcm-pp.c |
| 09:34:32 | rp- | yeah, i'm working with that right now |
| 09:35:52 | barrywardell | I've just sent you an updated patch with where I'm at currently |
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| 09:45:46 | rp- | thx |
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| 10:32:28 | Slasheri | preglow: i am about to commit the improved scrolling code today :) |
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| 10:52:44 | JdGordon | anyone not like the idea of setting a root folder for the database to start scanning in? |
| 10:53:04 | JdGordon | so instead of / and getting the whole disk, start at /music or anythng the user wants? |
| 10:53:17 | rp- | strike, stereo with good quality sound on the sansa |
| 10:54:10 | JdGordon | does that mean you got it? or not yet? |
| 10:54:53 | Bagder | rp-: yay! |
| 10:55:07 | rp- | seems to work |
| 10:56:03 | * | Bagder watches documentary |
| 10:56:33 | Llorean | JdGordon: I'd like to see something similar to the folder advance plugin, that allows a user to mark folders as off limits for scanning. |
| 10:57:19 | Llorean | Though a single option to set which folder the music is in would mostly work. |
| 10:57:42 | JdGordon | the first isnt so easy, but the 2nd should be easy |
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| 10:57:56 | JdGordon | just ironing out one bug |
| 10:58:02 | JdGordon | congrats rp- |
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| 10:58:21 | robin0800 | i agree that would be great |
| 10:58:32 | Llorean | I personally keep all my music in /Music but at the same time, there's music in there (my SIDs) that I wouldn't want indexed still. |
| 10:59:02 | JdGordon | Llorean: I was thinking that, and also for ppl who have podcasts and dont want them indexed |
| 10:59:34 | JdGordon | actually... we could possibly do both, but I dont know where to chane for the exclusion setting.. so ill leave it |
| 10:59:41 | robin0800 | or any other files whether audio or not |
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| 11:00:13 | Llorean | I think something like the folder advance plugin is definitely preferable to setting a single folder, because at least for me that means I'd have to split my music among two root music folders. |
| 11:00:31 | Llorean | SID, SPC, and NSF in one, and everything else in the other. |
| 11:00:37 | aliask | How long is a "tick"? |
| 11:00:40 | Bagder | (at index around 04:00 the rockbox part starts) |
| 11:00:47 | JdGordon | 1/100'th of a second aliask |
| 11:01:02 | * | Llorean wonders if he has anything that plays Theora |
| 11:03:38 | JdGordon | Slasheri: you around? |
| 11:03:53 | robin0800 | all these new audio codecs? i wonder what the user base is and whether these would be better as plugins? |
| 11:04:09 | Llorean | robin0800: That statement doesn't make sense. |
| 11:04:21 | Llorean | robin0800: Codecs are swapped out, in a similar method to plugins, as it is. |
| 11:04:39 | robin0800 | some of the new playing formats |
| 11:04:47 | Llorean | What about them? |
| 11:05:21 | robin0800 | there seem to be a lot of new ones these days |
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| 11:06:32 | Slasheri | JdGordon: hi |
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| 11:06:43 | JdGordon | can you have a quick look at a patch please? |
| 11:06:44 | Llorean | robin0800: Indeed, relatively recently several formats got added. But I don't see your point. |
| 11:06:53 | Slasheri | JdGordon: sure |
| 11:06:57 | Llorean | robin0800: What would be gained from making them plugins? |
| 11:07:14 | Bagder | codecs already are "plugins" |
| 11:07:21 | Slasheri | JdGordon: where is it? |
| 11:07:23 | JdGordon | Slasheri: http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/changes.patch |
| 11:07:27 | Slasheri | ok :) |
| 11:07:36 | Llorean | Bagder: That's what I said. They're handled in a similar way. |
| 11:07:38 | JdGordon | that adds a root folder setting to the db... just hcecking if it looks correct |
| 11:07:57 | Llorean | JdGordon: Please don't commit a root menu setting for the db. |
| 11:07:58 | Slasheri | JdGordon: do ipod users agree too? |
| 11:08:25 | Llorean | JdGordon: I'd much rather see someone spend time working on doing it in a more flexible way that doesn't constrain how a user has to organize their files to be able to exclude some from the db. |
| 11:08:27 | JdGordon | Llorean: not a root menu setting... |
| 11:08:36 | Llorean | Root folder. "menu" was a typo. |
| 11:08:36 | robin0800 | I sure there usefull for some people but personnaly Ithink mainstream mp3 ogg flac perhaps with one other are enough |
| 11:08:49 | Llorean | robin0800: What would be gained? |
| 11:09:05 | Llorean | I think you don't understand what you're suggesting. |
| 11:09:10 | JdGordon | Llorean: agree... but checking every folder against a list like the random folder would slow it down _heaps_ |
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| 11:09:33 | Slasheri | JdGordon: looks ok |
| 11:10:02 | JdGordon | great |
| 11:10:06 | Llorean | JdGordon: Maybe allow for exclusion by format. I think the most common case is people going to want to exclude the HVSC, but not remove it from their music folder. |
| 11:10:24 | JdGordon | Llorean: got any idea of a ui for this? |
| 11:10:25 | robin0800 | ok if there not removing the focus from improving the existing formats |
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| 11:10:31 | merbanan | just a note about realaudio cook, there is a fixedpoint patch for it on ffmpeg-dev |
| 11:11:04 | Llorean | robin0800: What does that have to do with plugins. And "focus" is based entirely on what developers are interested in anyway. |
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| 11:11:24 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I'm also against a quick hack. e.g. ipod users have their itunes files in iPod_Control, plus maybe a second "Music" folder for files they've transferred outside of itunes. I think other platforms work similarly. |
| 11:11:42 | Llorean | JdGordon: I honestly don't know. The problem is, forcing users to put all their databased music in a certain folder seems to be very, very, very restrictive. |
| 11:11:43 | * | JdGordon starting to be persuaded.... |
| 11:12:09 | Llorean | And one of the major benefits of Rockbox is supposed to be the freedom to organize your music on disk however you want. |
| 11:12:09 | robin0800 | but now were into realaudio as well enough enough please |
| 11:12:09 | roolku | Bagder: if you have some, could you add a build for the rtc mod (and change the 8Mb mod to use the (A)dvanced menu? ) |
| 11:12:09 | JdGordon | so how do we do it? by folder or by filetype? |
| 11:12:09 | * | amiconn doesn't understand what that 'music root folder' should be good for |
| 11:12:49 | linuxstb | amiconn: To keep things tidy if you store other files on your player - I don't want my artists mixed in with images, datafiles, videos etc etc |
| 11:12:54 | roolku | Bagder: I have changed the configure script, so it works interactively, but it might need changing depending on how you pass parameters from the distributed build script |
| 11:13:05 | amiconn | linuxstb: No, I mean the setting |
| 11:13:06 | Llorean | JdGordon: My personal preference is, as I've said, some means of excluding folders. Be that a folder list by plugin, or the option to drop files in a folder, like a text file that tells it "Don't scan this folder, or any deeper folders" |
| 11:13:21 | amiconn | Of course you can have a 'music' folder if you want (I don't) |
| 11:13:30 | amiconn | But the database only includes music anyway |
| 11:13:38 | JdGordon | Llorean: a Dont_Index file would be easiest actually... |
| 11:13:44 | Llorean | robin0800: Please, try to write out complete sentences that explain what you're talking about. |
| 11:13:52 | JdGordon | but would the users like that? |
| 11:13:54 | Llorean | JdGordon: I personally wouldn't object to that, though I'm not sure how others would feel. |
| 11:14:03 | robin0800 | I don't have any apple folders on my ipod about all your'd need is video |
| 11:14:06 | JdGordon | ok.. others? |
| 11:14:20 | roolku | Bagder: *have some time* that is |
| 11:15:38 | robin0800 | as rockbox can handle everything else IMOA |
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| 11:19:49 | JdGordon | Llorean: we would only be able to ignore an entire folder tree, not just skip a folder but continue through its subfolders :( |
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| 11:20:58 | Llorean | JdGordon: You mean, if I put "Skip_Me" in /music/blah it would skip /music/blah, /music/blah/a /music/blah/b, etc? |
| 11:21:30 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 11:21:55 | Llorean | Honestly, that makes sense to me anyway. A cutoff point. But then, I don't have any folders that have both music and subfolders. |
| 11:22:14 | Llorean | But, other people do crazy things with their music organization. |
| 11:23:03 | amiconn | I really don't get this... if you have other data on the device, the db wouldn't index it anyway... |
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| 11:23:39 | JdGordon | it indexes all your music.. even if you dont want it to |
| 11:24:03 | linuxstb | I have some untagged files which it would be nice to exclude. Some people may not want audiobooks in the database. Similarly, the HVSC isn't very database-friendly. |
| 11:24:10 | tHEkIND | yeah but Db don't index MPEGs or pictures |
| 11:24:24 | Llorean | amiconn: Some people would prefer to avoid indexing podcasts, maybe the SID collection, untagged files, recordings they've made, etc. |
| 11:24:39 | Llorean | Especially for recordings, it would be nice to not have a large collection of them show up under untagged if auto-update is enabled. |
| 11:24:47 | tHEkIND | linuxstb -> You can modifiy you tagnavi to exclude these files |
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| 11:25:52 | Llorean | tHEkIND: It's not a good solution, it doesn't decrease indexing time, database size, and it won't work perfectly keeping them out of view. |
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| 11:26:03 | Llorean | Especially would be nice to keep the database at a minimal size for the amount of use you want from it. |
| 11:26:34 | JdGordon | anyone got a better filename than ROCKBOX_DATABASE_IGNORE_FOLDER ? |
| 11:27:29 | Llorean | .dbdonotindex? Something that starts with a . |
| 11:27:47 | linuxstb | Just to annoy windows and Mac users... |
| 11:27:53 | JdGordon | .. yeah |
| 11:27:56 | JdGordon | thats why I didnt go . |
| 11:28:11 | JdGordon | could check for both... slow it down even more... |
| 11:28:13 | Llorean | Ah. |
| 11:28:27 | Llorean | I was thinking more along the lines of "so you don't end up seeing in in the filetree" |
| 11:28:40 | JdGordon | a filename less than 11 chars would be better tho |
| 11:28:46 | Llorean | I would've just included the file in the /.rockbox/ folder, so someone can just copy it in Explorer and paste it all over the place (for windows users) |
| 11:28:51 | Llorean | So there's no question of typos. |
| 11:30:27 | JdGordon | the . file is annoying for linux users also, but at least they can create them... |
| 11:30:46 | * | linuxstb is a Linux user and isn't annoyed |
| 11:30:56 | * | JdGordon also |
| 11:31:00 | JdGordon | touch .file is simple |
| 11:31:08 | JdGordon | but it can be annoying... |
| 11:31:08 | Llorean | If you threw the file in /.rockbox/ it would mostly be a problem for OSX users. |
| 11:31:09 | JdGordon | i dunno :p |
| 11:31:59 | Llorean | Any filename though, I think the file should be included in /.rockbox/ so we can give easy instructions for setting it up (copy this file and paste it anywhere you don't want the indexing to go any further) |
| 11:32:49 | JdGordon | well it works... so just pick a filename now... |
| 11:33:09 | JdGordon | Bagder: I just add a touch "filename" to buildzip.pl to add it to the zip right? |
| 11:33:44 | * | linuxstb isn't convinced that this is the best approach to the problem though - it's too user unfriendly. |
| 11:33:59 | * | JdGordon agrees... but doesnt have a better idea |
| 11:34:19 | linuxstb | Then do nothing for now... |
| 11:34:26 | JdGordon | but im boooored :p |
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| 11:35:10 | Llorean | I have a question about how the menu / WPS works right now. |
| 11:35:36 | Llorean | If you launch a playlist from the file browser, then browse the menus, then go to WPS, why did we choose to have it restore you to the menus when the playlist ends, rather than the file browser? |
| 11:36:04 | JdGordon | because doing otherwise would make the file browser look like the top of the screen heirachy |
| 11:36:13 | JdGordon | ... or somethinglike that |
| 11:36:26 | aliask | JdGordon: Add support for larger colour icons then. That should keep you busy. :) |
| 11:37:21 | tHEkIND | And add multifont on SVN ^^ |
| 11:37:57 | tHEkIND | Album art is so much used that it should be added on SVN |
| 11:38:17 | Llorean | tHEkIND: Being widely used is not automatically bonus points for inclusion. |
| 11:38:36 | Llorean | tHEkIND: It's generally considered that there are still issues blocking album art |
| 11:39:02 | tHEkIND | Yeah when you skip a track it freezes until the AA is shown |
| 11:39:28 | tHEkIND | but that's the only issue i've seen now |
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| 11:40:10 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5960 is the patch if anyone wants it |
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| 11:40:52 | JdGordon | tHEk|AfK: the issue is that it doesnt store the image in a nice way |
| 11:42:17 | tHEk|AfK | And it is a better way ? |
| 11:42:24 | tHEk|AfK | have it |
| 11:43:00 | JdGordon | the better way is storing the metadata on the audio buffer which we all dream for.. but noone has done it |
| 11:43:27 | tHEk|AfK | and |
| 11:43:40 | JdGordon | and? |
| 11:43:41 | tHEk|AfK | Ipods store the AA directly inside the MP3 |
| 11:43:54 | tHEk|AfK | It would be nice to add support for that |
| 11:44:06 | JdGordon | thats not a major thing holding it from svn tho |
| 11:44:14 | tHEk|AfK | yeah i know |
| 11:44:18 | Llorean | I kinda think storing the AA in the tag is a silly solution. |
| 11:44:19 | tHEk|AfK | Always audio thing ^^ |
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| 11:45:01 | linuxstb | tHEk|AfK: AFAIK, Apple's firmware on the ipods store the album art in an album-art database. |
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| 11:45:40 | linuxstb | itunes does the extracting from tags on your PC - which is also the Rockbox approach (extracting images on your PC, and resizing in advance). |
| 11:47:01 | tHEk|AfK | You're sure ? |
| 11:47:32 | Llorean | linuxstb: Well, now there's a BMP resize patch to go on top of the album art patch |
| 11:47:59 | tHEk|AfK | Yeah my AA are 128x128 |
| 11:48:14 | tHEk|AfK | And in my WPS it's 40x40 |
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| 11:48:31 | tHEk|AfK | But there is no antialiasing |
| 11:53:34 | linuxstb | tHEk|AfK: Does your ipod contain a file that looks like it's an album art database? Somewhere under iPod_Control. |
| 11:53:56 | tHEk|AfK | Donc have iPod |
| 11:54:00 | tHEk|AfK | hating ipod ^^ |
| 11:54:48 | linuxstb | OK, you mentioned them first... |
| 11:55:15 | tHEk|AfK | Yeah |
| 11:55:36 | tHEk|AfK | I don't know if it's a friend or on a forum that i've seen that |
| 11:55:52 | tHEk|AfK | But if you get a mp3 stored by itunes from an ipod |
| 11:55:59 | tHEk|AfK | The AA is inside |
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| 11:58:21 | aliask | Anyone know why rb->current_tick is only getting updated when I press buttons? |
| 11:58:54 | aliask | (in a plugin) |
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| 12:00:30 | tHEk|AfK | In H10 i have GPIOD_OUTPUT_VAL &=~ 0x40; / udelay(50) / data = adc_scan(ADC_SCROLLPAD); |
| 12:00:40 | tHEk|AfK | Is it dangerous if i set udelay to 100 ? |
| 12:01:01 | tHEk|AfK | Would like to see if the data is less jumpy |
| 12:01:19 | aliask | Not dangerous. |
| 12:01:24 | tHEk|AfK | sure ? |
| 12:01:43 | aliask | Yes, but I dont think it'll make it less jumpy, just slower |
| 12:01:51 | aliask | Feel free to prove me wrong |
| 12:02:02 | tHEk|AfK | Oki i'll test |
| 12:02:19 | tHEk|AfK | Yeah i know that is will be probably the same but i'll just test ^^ |
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| 12:04:47 | RaBe42 | Hello everybody. After installing rockbox for a friend on an iRiver H10, I've bought a Sansa e260 and installed rockbox on this device too. During this process I stumble over some documentation flaws. I humble ask to get write access to the wiki, so I can improve the installation guide for this hardware. |
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| 12:06:49 | aliask | RaBe42: What's your wiki name? |
| 12:07:02 | RaBe42 | My wiki name is RalfBerger. |
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| 12:08:20 | aliask | RaBe42: Should work now |
| 12:10:28 | RaBe42 | Thanks a lot. Seems to work! |
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| 12:10:53 | decayedcell | WTF |
| 12:11:11 | decayedcell | GCC 4.0.3 6:28 battery life, GCC 4.1.2 7:40 |
| 12:11:22 | decayedcell | how can the improvement be so dramatic =/ |
| 12:11:42 | Shaid | zounds1 |
| 12:11:45 | Shaid | -1+! |
| 12:11:47 | Llorean | decayedcell: What's the difference between 90% and 10% |
| 12:12:00 | Llorean | decayedcell: Often charging is very inconsistent, as well as shutdown time |
| 12:12:21 | decayedcell | Llorean oh wait the second test didn't end at 1% nvm I'll try again |
| 12:12:23 | Llorean | You can get +/- 30 minutes on an imperfect charge, and another +/- 30 the last time a disk can't spin up. |
| 12:12:34 | Llorean | You shouldn't use 100%-0% anyway |
| 12:12:40 | decayedcell | hmm okay |
| 12:13:13 | decayedcell | I don't see why it would shutdown at 14% =/ |
| 12:13:20 | Llorean | It didn't |
| 12:13:42 | Llorean | It shutdown at "somewhere less than 14%, but there wasn't enough power to spin up the disk to write the updated file" |
| 12:13:48 | decayedcell | ah okay |
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| 12:15:16 | Llorean | Though 14% seems awful high |
| 12:15:28 | decayedcell | its happened twice now in 4 tests |
| 12:16:07 | decayedcell | however, Apple OS reckons the battery is 'very low' and it immediately prompted me to plug in the charger |
| 12:17:03 | decayedcell | the battery meter is not very accurate sometimes though, it may appear to be 50%, but a minute or two later its 75% |
| 12:17:42 | tHEk|AfK | Yeah i made something that begins to work on scrollpad h10 ! |
| 12:17:49 | tHEk|AfK | Working from 5 hours on it |
| 12:23:24 | dan_a_ | rp-: I'm just reading through the logs... well done! |
| 12:23:33 | rp- | hi dan_a_ |
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| 12:26:31 | markun | robin0800: I don't agree with you. For video I think we don't need more than 1 codec, but for audio it's nice if you have a choice and don't need to transcode. |
| 12:26:56 | markun | robin0800: maybe you should start a "rockbox-lite" fork :) |
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| 12:27:39 | tHEk|AfK | 1 codec, if it works well, is enough for video, i agree |
| 12:29:39 | markun | if our DAPs were fast enough to play back all kinds of video in real-time then I think more than one codec would be nice, but now it's not very usefull. |
| 12:30:12 | tHEk|AfK | lets get work the mpegplayer and then... |
| 12:31:00 | markun | yes, rebuffering, seeking and optimizations |
| 12:31:15 | tHEk|AfK | A way to ff and rw |
| 12:31:17 | tHEk|AfK | and pause |
| 12:31:47 | tHEk|AfK | Rebuffur, fw and rw are the most waited things |
| 12:31:58 | Llorean | Yes, since you basically have to transcode to resize anyway, there's not a very strong argument for multiple video codecs. |
| 12:32:12 | markun | Llorean: exactly |
| 12:32:26 | aliask | Unless you can resize on player as some players do. |
| 12:32:46 | markun | but if we port rockbox to some more powerful players I can imagine someone would want to have a xvid decoder |
| 12:32:47 | tHEk|AfK | aliask -> most rockbox targets don't have chip for video |
| 12:33:01 | tHEk|AfK | So resize can't be done by litte cpus |
| 12:33:14 | aliask | tHEk|AfK: Zen Vision:M does it on CPU alone IIRC |
| 12:33:30 | markun | Maybe they use the DSP for that |
| 12:33:34 | decayedcell | or if the Broadcom chip could be utilised on 5G iPods :) |
| 12:33:36 | tHEk|AfK | Yeah but it's a bit useless i think |
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| 12:34:10 | aliask | Damn. Lost the auction for a X60 |
| 12:34:38 | tHEk|AfK | lol |
| 12:34:51 | aliask | Bidding got crazy, it went over $400 |
| 12:34:55 | tHEk|AfK | What's the best player for rockbox ? |
| 12:35:13 | JdGordon | Slasheri: I know I keep asking... but.... how would I go about adding a new %variable in tagnavi.config and then use whatever the search string the user puts there in a search? |
| 12:35:15 | aliask | X60 probably, if you dont need radio/recording |
| 12:35:26 | tHEk|AfK | need radio ^^ |
| 12:35:53 | bluebrother | JdGordon, here? |
| 12:36:14 | JdGordon | no, i ran away in the 3 sec after writing the message :p |
| 12:36:20 | decayedcell | H300 series run well on Rockbox don't they |
| 12:36:25 | markun | tHEk|AfK: this question gets asked too much so we really should work on a wiki page to give a good overview of all the players |
| 12:36:30 | Llorean | aliask: Don't the X-series have decreased battery life? How does that make them better than the F series? |
| 12:36:39 | JdGordon | markun: I tihnk there is a wiki page |
| 12:36:45 | bluebrother | noticed an interesting behaviour on my mini regarding the main menu |
| 12:36:52 | JdGordon | :( shoot |
| 12:37:09 | markun | tHEk|AfK: why did you change your nick to have |AfK behind it? (just curious) |
| 12:37:09 | bluebrother | if you press "Menu" in the main menu it toggles the settings entry |
| 12:37:22 | bluebrother | i.e. it goes straight into that entry. Is that intended? |
| 12:37:28 | decayedcell | sounds like the old system? |
| 12:37:28 | aliask | Llorean: Pretty sure they're almost identical internally. GigabeatRuntime seems to back this up too. |
| 12:37:33 | markun | JdGordon: yes, there is, but we need to add all our targets |
| 12:37:34 | SirFunk | does the X60 have a microphone in jack? |
| 12:37:45 | Llorean | aliask: My understanding was that the screen drew more power. |
| 12:37:49 | bluebrother | my h120 doesn't do that, but that build is a few days old. I'm just recompiling to see if that happens there as well |
| 12:38:07 | Slasheri | JdGordon: tagnavi.config is entirely parsed in tagtree.c, you should have a look there :) |
| 12:38:07 | JdGordon | bluebrother: im not sure... that doesnt sound so bad, so leave it... |
| 12:38:10 | Llorean | aliask: The official runtime is listed as about 2 hours shorter, I believe, and the GigabeatRuntime is not useful for comparison since you can't know any of the battery conditions. |
| 12:38:14 | Slasheri | JdGordon: sorry but can't really say more |
| 12:38:14 | markun | Llorean, aliask: it's also possible that the X has a different battery |
| 12:38:24 | JdGordon | Slasheri: I did.. but got horribly lost :p |
| 12:38:26 | JdGordon | damn, ok |
| 12:38:30 | Slasheri | hehe :D |
| 12:38:52 | Slasheri | i get lost too ;) but you should search some already defined variable names |
| 12:38:55 | JdGordon | Slasheri: oh, to do a search, I just pass an empty tcs* to tagcache_search() with the tag im after? |
| 12:38:56 | Slasheri | and check how those are handled |
| 12:39:00 | Llorean | JdGordon: Differing behaviour across targets like that seems kinda bad. It sounds like a bug. :-P |
| 12:39:09 | aliask | Well, I wouldn't be complaining really with 15 hours anyway. F series are bigger and uglier. I would prefer the X personally. |
| 12:39:26 | Slasheri | JdGordon: yes, exactly |
| 12:39:33 | JdGordon | great |
| 12:39:42 | Slasheri | tagcache_search() initializes the tcs structure |
| 12:39:43 | JdGordon | I'm really going to do random folder for the db now :p |
| 12:39:54 | Slasheri | hehe, nice |
| 12:40:16 | JdGordon | but I wanted to use tagnavi.config to give it some flexibility.. instead of adding heaps of settingd |
| 12:40:20 | JdGordon | setting values * |
| 12:40:45 | Slasheri | that sounds good |
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| 12:41:00 | bluebrother | ah, it behaves the same on both players: it toggles to the last screen. |
| 12:41:33 | bluebrother | a bit confusing the first time as I consider the menu button to toggle the menu, not the settings ;-) |
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| 12:45:34 | JdGordon | Slasheri: last thing... do you remember which function is used to play a "folder" in the db? |
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| 12:47:02 | JdGordon | tagtree_play_folder()... |
| 12:47:10 | * | JdGordon hopes this is gonna work :p |
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| 12:47:52 | frafra | hi all |
| 12:48:43 | JdGordon | yeah, this aint gonna work :'( |
| 12:49:41 | frafra | I've read the guide for install rockbox nano: I've patched it, and I've copied .rockbox/ and rockbox.ipod on my ipod nano (fat32). When I reboot it, it shows me only the apple logo with backlight. The ipod firmware that I applied the patch was the lastest, 1.3. How to fix it? |
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| 12:52:21 | linuxstb | frafra: Which instructions did you use? The ones in the manual? |
| 12:52:34 | frafra | yes, for linux |
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| 12:54:53 | bluebrother | frafra, you mean ipodpatcher by "patch"? |
| 12:55:15 | frafra | yes, with ipodpatcher for linux |
| 12:55:22 | bluebrother | and your nano is 1st gen? |
| 12:55:25 | linuxstb | If it's freezing with the apple logo and backlight, then it looks like Rockbox itself has been started, but is freezing immediately (before it displays anything). I don't know what could cause that... |
| 12:55:44 | linuxstb | Do you know how to put it in disk mode? |
| 12:55:50 | frafra | sure |
| 12:55:53 | amiconn | Sounds like old bootloader without cop support |
| 12:56:26 | linuxstb | All the old bootloaders have been removed from the site though... |
| 12:56:58 | linuxstb | And if the bootloader isn't displaying any text, then it's the latest version anyway. |
| 12:57:16 | frafra | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-110002.2.3 |
| 12:57:21 | Slasheri | probably i will commit that scrollwheel acceleration soon also. I think i have got many issues fixed now so it's time to see how it really works :) |
| 12:57:31 | frafra | Lastest ipod firmware, lastest rockbox version |
| 12:57:42 | bluebrother | linuxstb, btw, any idea why I can't start the OF on my mini 2G anymore? |
| 12:57:47 | linuxstb | frafra: Try resetting, and then immediately turning on the hold switch (as soon as you can). That should start the Apple firmware. |
| 12:57:54 | bluebrother | not that it bothers me too much ... |
| 12:58:35 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Which bootloader did you install? Is it the version with no text? |
| 12:58:46 | frafra | linuxstb: done, shows some informations |
| 12:59:01 | linuxstb | SlasherI: Is that the actual ipod acceleration, or the generic improvements? |
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| 12:59:59 | Slasheri | linuxstb: ipod acceleration, generic improvements already committed |
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| 13:00:08 | Llorean | linuxstb: It seems that in some cases when the new bootloader doesn't find Rockbox.ipod, it doesn't do the lcd_update to display the text, at least one person had the problem of it freezing at the Apple Logo, and it turned out rockbox.ipod wasn't there. |
| 13:00:31 | frafra | Rockbox: boot loader / Version: 1.0 / IPOD version: 0x000C0005 / SST55LD019K-45-C-MWE / No partition found / Press MENU+SELECT to reboot then SELECT+PLAY for disk mode / Hold switch on! |
| 13:01:06 | linuxstb | frafra: Ah, the "no partition found" error is important. Is it HFS+ formatted? |
| 13:01:16 | bluebrother | linuxstb, yes. Two days ago |
| 13:01:38 | linuxstb | frafra: Or maybe FAT16, rather than FAT32 (Rockbox only supports FAT32 on ipods) |
| 13:01:55 | frafra | it was hfs+ formatted, but I've done mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sdc3 after the patch, and then I've installed rockbox |
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| 13:02:27 | linuxstb | But did you repartion - i.e. create a DOS partition table? |
| 13:02:29 | bluebrother | frafra, did you change the partition type in the partition table? |
| 13:02:40 | frafra | linuxstb: with fdisk /dev/sdc it doesn't see anything |
| 13:02:42 | linuxstb | HFS+ ipods have an Apple Partition Map. |
| 13:02:50 | frafra | no, I haven't change it |
| 13:03:00 | linuxstb | frafra: That's your problem then. See the IpodConversionToFAT32 wiki page. |
| 13:03:03 | frafra | in fdisk it doesn't see any partition |
| 13:03:04 | bluebrother | Apple even has a different partition map? |
| 13:03:07 | * | linuxstb runs |
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| 13:04:25 | frafra | so, now I've to reset it with itunes? |
| 13:06:07 | bluebrother | frafra, see the Manual conversion ... |
| 13:06:28 | frafra | ok |
| 13:06:46 | frafra | thanks |
| 13:06:48 | bluebrother | unless you want to do the other way ;-) |
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| 13:07:32 | amiconn | hrrmmm... |
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| 13:10:02 | bluebrother | hmm. Wasn't there a way to boot the AppleOS from a file? Can't find anything about it in the wiki :( |
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| 13:10:27 | JdGordon | Slasheri: your list optimizations, does it start skipping items in the list if the user keeps scrolling? |
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| 13:11:15 | Llorean | bluebrother: If you use ipodpatcher -rf (I think it's -rf) apple_os.ipod, then put the file in the root of your ipod, it'll try to load that file instead of loading it from the boot partition. |
| 13:11:16 | dan_a_ | Can someone explain to me how this bit of assembly doesn't mean we end up with mono sound on the PP machines? http://pastebin.ca/390376 |
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| 13:13:11 | Menollo | hello, i've updated the dutch .lang file |
| 13:13:15 | Menollo | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6797 |
| 13:13:48 | frafra | now all works, thanks |
| 13:15:10 | frafra | only a thing: I've downloaded the elephant dream video and audio is not synched with video |
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| 13:15:53 | Llorean | frafra: The video player is in a very early state. This is expected |
| 13:16:08 | frafra | ok, thanks |
| 13:17:29 | bluebrother | Llorean, thanks :) Looks like I can boot apple_os using that method but not without that file |
| 13:17:43 | Slasheri | JdGordon: yes, but that wont work with current code without scroll acceleration patch |
| 13:17:58 | Slasheri | because scrollwheel driver prevents events getting queued |
| 13:18:40 | Llorean | bluebrother: That's very strange. But I'm glad it works. |
| 13:19:25 | bluebrother | is rolo-ing into apple_os supposed to work? |
| 13:19:28 | JdGordon | will that affect only the ipods? or all targets? |
| 13:19:32 | Slasheri | JdGordon: when it starts skipping, the scrolling speed is already high enough so user wont notice any difference (but fast scrolling) |
| 13:19:47 | dan_a_ | Ah, ignore me, I've got it |
| 13:19:50 | Llorean | bluebrother: Not yet. |
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| 13:20:14 | Slasheri | JdGordon: the performance optimization is currently applied to all targets but only ipod users notice a difference because other targets has already speedy lcd updates |
| 13:21:26 | JdGordon | Its more annoying that it takes quite a few sec to get from one end of the list to the other currently... :( |
| 13:21:53 | Slasheri | scrollwheel acceleration fixes that completely |
| 13:22:04 | Slasheri | with those optimizations just committed |
| 13:22:32 | pixelma | Llorean: was it you who said that the chicage-12.fnt was actually 13 points high? |
| 13:22:33 | * | JdGordon doesnt have an ipod |
| 13:22:53 | Slasheri | JdGordon: hmm, which player do you have? |
| 13:22:57 | JdGordon | h300 |
| 13:23:23 | Slasheri | oh, you can't activate paged scrolling mode during scrolling with it? |
| 13:23:48 | Llorean | pixelma: I'm not sure. |
| 13:24:06 | Slasheri | JdGordon: on H100, pressing shift (play) during scrolling makes it very fast |
| 13:24:06 | Llorean | pixelma: I noted that some of the fonts marked 12 were one pixel taller than others, though. |
| 13:24:14 | JdGordon | skipping a whole page would look horrible.. |
| 13:25:15 | pixelma | Llorean: I think it was - the 2 wps that used chicago-12 before and now have to use nimbus-12 ar a bit off (marquee and Dancepuffdue on the 160x128 displays) |
| 13:25:36 | pixelma | *Duo |
| 13:26:26 | JdGordon | wow! i got some nice accel working... almost |
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| 13:27:22 | JdGordon | every .5s it increases the amount of items it skips by 1.. so after 3 s its skipping 6 items every button event |
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| 13:28:44 | amiconn | JdGordon: There is a bug in the backlight fade settings on h1x0... |
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| 13:29:54 | amiconn | The fade out setting now only offers the same values as the fade in setting (Off, 500ms, 1s, 2s). Fade out used to offer 3s, 5s and 10s in addition to that... |
| 13:30:12 | JdGordon | ok |
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| 13:31:37 | aliask | Might anybody have an idea why if(TIME_AFTER(*rb->current_tick, (start_time + HZ/2))) is only passing if a key has been pressed? |
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| 13:32:56 | JdGordon | have you got a blocking rb->get_button? |
| 13:32:59 | JdGordon | or get_action? |
| 13:33:03 | aliask | Yes |
| 13:33:07 | aliask | Make it not blocking? |
| 13:33:11 | JdGordon | well there you go then... |
| 13:33:18 | aliask | What does that even do? |
| 13:33:24 | JdGordon | waits for a button |
| 13:33:28 | JdGordon | indefinatly... |
| 13:33:41 | * | amiconn is annoyed by Slasheri wasting bytes with no reason |
| 13:34:06 | Slasheri | amiconn: probably i can remove that feature from targets where it's not needed |
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| 13:34:47 | JdGordon | amiconn: fixed |
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| 13:35:31 | Slasheri | i am just trying to figure out why COP does not work correctly for audio playback |
| 13:37:01 | amiconn | E.g. why is button_boost included for target with fixed cpu clock? |
| 13:37:21 | Slasheri | amiconn: i will ifdef that soon |
| 13:37:21 | amiconn | Furthermore, I haven't seen list performance problems on any non-colour target |
| 13:39:12 | amiconn | Maybe the fullsize greyscale ipods have that. The mini doesn't, even though its lcd framerate isn't that high |
| 13:41:10 | tHEk|AfK | On the iPod there is "BUTTON_SCROLL_FWD", but not on H10 |
| 13:41:26 | tHEk|AfK | How can i implement something that scrolls quiclier |
| 13:41:28 | tHEk|AfK | ? |
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| 13:46:17 | Slasheri | hmm, probably i know why dual core is not working properly.. operating with queues etc. moves the codec thread from cop back to main core |
| 13:46:48 | tHEk|AfK | on wich players ? |
| 13:46:51 | dan_a_ | Slasheri: Are you sure? |
| 13:46:52 | tHEk|AfK | h10 ? |
| 13:46:54 | Slasheri | ipods |
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| 13:47:05 | Slasheri | dan_a_: it looks like that might be possible, i can't think of any other reason |
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| 13:47:27 | JdGordon | can someone have a look at http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/list_accel.patch and let me know if its acceptable? |
| 13:47:30 | Slasheri | because priority scheduling shouldn't have _any_ effect for codec thread if it's really running on COP |
| 13:47:37 | Slasheri | but it does have an effect |
| 13:47:59 | * | JdGordon wonders wat effect that patch and Slasheri's optimizing the ipod buttons would be like |
| 13:48:06 | dan_a_ | I did notice that I'd not put the audio queue in IRAM, which might cause a problem - but IRAM space is getting tight |
| 13:48:40 | Slasheri | dan_a_: but i am still debugging.. |
| 13:48:52 | Slasheri | probably i have a better clues soon |
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| 13:49:54 | dan_a_ | (with the audio queue in DRAM, the COP won't see any changes to it while it is cached on either core) |
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| 13:50:44 | JdGordon | amiconn: whatcha rekon? |
| 13:53:54 | JdGordon | actually.. anyone with a 5g ipod and a min to test? |
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| 13:56:04 | JdGordon | Slasheri: good job :) with my accel patch and your list changes I can still scroll at a skip of about 15 and not pause playback, but noticable framedrop which is cool |
| 13:56:23 | Slasheri | JdGordon: great :) |
| 13:56:27 | JdGordon | this is on the h300 tho.. so could be bad on other targets... which i ope not |
| 13:56:41 | Slasheri | so other targets might benefit from that also |
| 13:56:48 | JdGordon | they will for sure |
| 13:57:08 | JdGordon | but im not sure if it will cause extra boosts/ freezes or not :p |
| 13:57:38 | JdGordon | scrolling though 5000 tracks doesnt take anywhere near as long now tho :D |
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| 13:59:13 | tHEk|AfK | GPIOD_OUTPUT_VAL &=~ 0x40; / udelay(50); /data = adc_scan(ADC_SCROLLPAD); −−> Is it dangerous to change udelay to 25 ?????? |
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| 14:00:19 | tHEk|AfK | actually, will it up the rate of the refresh of the scrollpad |
| 14:00:20 | tHEk|AfK | ? |
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| 14:01:05 | DataGhost | you'll know when the magic smoke comes out :P |
| 14:01:16 | tHEk|AfK | I wont test so ^^ |
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| 14:02:22 | aliask | Anybody know if theres a way to play audio (ideally a file on the disk) from a plugin that isn't quite as complicated as the mpegplayer way? |
| 14:02:33 | JdGordon | tHEk|AfK: I'd guess that its not dangerous, but likely to not give as reliable values... |
| 14:02:49 | JdGordon | the 50 delay is to wait for things to settle probblay |
| 14:03:04 | JdGordon | aliask: oohh... whatcha coidng? |
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| 14:03:56 | DataGhost | JdGordon or to not make it very slow |
| 14:04:13 | DataGhost | changing a delay of 50 to 25 is likely to cause almost double the cpu usage |
| 14:04:45 | DataGhost | but I don't know if it's fast code or whatever :P |
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| 14:05:19 | tHEk|AfK | Actually, the datas are so jumpy that i have to calculate an average of 3 values |
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| 14:05:45 | tHEk|AfK | But this code is enables only when scollpad is used |
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| 14:06:28 | aliask | JdGordon: Basic audio sequencer |
| 14:06:32 | aliask | Simple drum beats etc |
| 14:07:30 | Slasheri | dan_a_: probably found the issue, trying a fix :) |
| 14:10:13 | dan_a_ | Slasheri: Excellent news! |
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| 14:14:17 | tHEk|AfK | We can dividide an hexa value ? |
| 14:14:26 | tHEk|AfK | scroll_average = scroll_average / 3; |
| 14:14:50 | tHEk|AfK | I made something wrong -_- |
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| 14:24:13 | dan_a_ | Slasheri: What do you think the issue is? |
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| 15:18:35 | * | amiconn spots ds2411 code |
| 15:19:06 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Any reason why the .h is under firmware/export, but the actual driver code is only under the target tree? |
| 15:19:55 | * | amiconn would have preferred to check this on m5 before a commit |
| 15:20:20 | amiconn | Not a big problem because of 'svn move' though |
| 15:22:10 | * | preglow blesses svn |
| 15:22:13 | jhMikeS | yes...and now somethings happened so it misses the presence pulse at not 45Mhz |
| 15:22:30 | jhMikeS | but it worked for me...think I have to stop interrupts to do this though...woops |
| 15:23:16 | * | dan_a_ gets confused by a 16 bit output feeding samples through a 32bit FIFO to an 18 bit codec |
| 15:24:01 | preglow | i seem to have to play marriage counselor |
| 15:24:04 | preglow | why can't people just get along :/ |
| 15:24:49 | jhMikeS | I think my problem was more trivial :) |
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| 15:26:20 | jhMikeS | ah that's better...back to all CPU freqs |
| 15:28:12 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I don't know, I just stuck with tradition and put the header for the chip under export. |
| 15:34:22 | jhMikeS | feel free to move things around though |
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| 15:40:47 | * | preglow thinks about volunteering to mentor |
| 15:42:15 | Bagder | sounds like a good idea to me |
| 15:43:00 | Bagder | however, it seems we can add more mentors even after the initial application |
| 15:44:25 | preglow | really now |
| 15:45:16 | dan_a_ | Is there anyone around with a good understanding of the I2S in the PortalPlayers? |
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| 15:45:40 | * | jhMikeS now needs a page for people to put their exact iaudio model and the serial numbers and see if there's a pattern to it |
| 15:45:43 | preglow | my involvement with pp i2s is only writing the asm fiq handler |
| 15:45:50 | preglow | so good understanding, no |
| 15:46:05 | Bagder | jhMikeS: any particular need to search for a pattern? |
| 15:46:20 | jhMikeS | battery type reading mostly |
| 15:46:27 | Bagder | aha |
| 15:46:53 | dan_a_ | preglow: Darn. rp- has good quality sound coming out of the Sansa, but I don't understand why it works |
| 15:46:56 | * | Bagder spotted a "unique number for DRM-purposes" in the 3514 docs... |
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| 15:50:11 | amiconn | hmmmmmmm |
| 15:50:16 | amiconn | hrrrmmmmmm |
| 15:50:36 | dan_a_ | Bagder: What do you want to use that for? |
| 15:50:37 | * | amiconn would like to ask kjer some questions |
| 15:50:56 | Bagder | dan_a: I don't, but I figure the R models use it in the OF |
| 15:51:15 | Bagder | I've been curious if fooling with Rockbox will ruin the DRM abilities of the OF |
| 15:51:15 | amiconn | jhMikeS: A wiki page & associated user ml mail would be good |
| 15:51:20 | Bagder | like we do on the h3x0 |
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| 15:52:32 | jhMikeS | sounds good...I'll think it over a bit and do it |
| 15:52:36 | dan_a_ | donvito told me that he'd got somewhere with the e200r, but didn't give any more information than that, and hasn't reappeared since |
| 15:52:59 | Bagder | oh, good to hear at least someone is trying |
| 15:53:01 | amiconn | jhMikeS: And please keep it flexible enough to extend the query to the m5(l) later |
| 15:53:07 | jhMikeS | sure |
| 15:53:27 | amiconn | I'll probably take a look into the m5 tonight |
| 15:53:39 | jhMikeS | one question: is it working for you? |
| 15:53:47 | rp- | Bagder: i don't think we break DRM on the sansa, that ID is read only, and contains the serial number + some data about the manufacturing process |
| 15:53:48 | amiconn | (if I find enough time - want to take photos of course) |
| 15:54:08 | Bagder | rp-: yeah, that's my assumption as well |
| 15:54:47 | Bagder | amiconn: don't hold your breath for kjer being around anytime soon... or that he still remembers those things ;-) |
| 15:55:11 | Bagder | you can of course try emailing him directly |
| 15:55:14 | amiconn | I know. What I am looking at is 4 years old code :/ |
| 15:55:29 | * | amiconn wants to understand the rocklatin magic |
| 15:55:51 | rp- | they have hard opligations to get the drm certificate from microsoft, for example the RTC pins need to be under the chip, so none can manipulate it |
| 15:55:54 | amiconn | I think I understand the basics now |
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| 16:05:27 | madman_ | Hello! |
| 16:05:32 | markun | hi madman_ |
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| 16:06:21 | madman_ | is it possible to port Rockbox to iRiver T10 in future? |
| 16:07:40 | tHEk|AfK | Personnaly, i don't think |
| 16:07:45 | tHEk|AfK | It's a flahs player |
| 16:07:50 | tHEk|AfK | No very used |
| 16:07:56 | tHEk|AfK | as the nano is |
| 16:08:08 | madman_ | but there is port for iFP 790 |
| 16:08:35 | tHEk|AfK | I'm new on rockbox so i can only tell you what i think |
| 16:08:43 | tHEk|AfK | Don't know |
| 16:09:18 | madman_ | but technically it's possible? |
| 16:09:33 | dan_a_ | madman_: If enough information is known about it, and if GCC can compile for the processor, and if enough people want to do it then it's possible |
| 16:09:46 | markun | madman_: I think it's possible |
| 16:09:54 | madman_ | thanks |
| 16:10:11 | markun | madman_: do you know how similar it is to the T30? |
| 16:10:24 | madman_ | markun: no idea :) |
| 16:10:45 | markun | Could you take some pictures of the insides so we can identify the chips? |
| 16:11:05 | tHEk|AfK | How many ports are added / year since the begginig of rockbox ? |
| 16:11:21 | madman_ | wow, iFP is partially developed by guy from Poland :) |
| 16:11:50 | madman_ | markun: unfortunately I have brand new iriver, and I don't want to lose warranty |
| 16:12:10 | markun | madman_: well, then it's not very likely we'll ever see a port :) |
| 16:12:24 | madman_ | too bad :P |
| 16:12:42 | markun | If you are careful I don't see why you should lose the warranty |
| 16:12:44 | madman_ | maybe someone else will take photos |
| 16:13:06 | dan_a_ | maybe nobody else will want to open their player... |
| 16:13:24 | markun | madman_: is there some user forum of T10 owners? |
| 16:13:32 | markun | maybe on MR |
| 16:13:43 | madman_ | markun: I know only MR, and one polish forum |
| 16:14:02 | markun | madman_: please ask the users there to participate in the port then |
| 16:14:16 | madman_ | markun: OK |
| 16:15:06 | tHEk|AfK | And meizu ? |
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| 16:15:48 | markun | madman_: if nobody replies, homany months do we have to wait for your warranty to expire? |
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| 16:15:55 | tHEk|AfK | No pictures of t10 opened on google images |
| 16:16:22 | madman_ | markun: maaany... But if my player will work for about 4 months, I'll consider deatach it and take pictures |
| 16:16:27 | markun | tHEk|AfK: the Meizu M6 uses the same CPU as some of the newer irivers |
| 16:16:43 | tHEk|AfK | like h10 ? |
| 16:16:50 | tHEk|AfK | or clix |
| 16:16:56 | markun | Clix |
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| 16:17:04 | madman_ | tHEk|AfK: T10 is not very new |
| 16:17:06 | markun | but I think all of them have similar CPUs |
| 16:17:11 | tHEk|AfK | Clix port would be great ! ^^ |
| 16:17:39 | markun | tHEk|AfK: with newer I mean every iriver after the H10 (including the H10jr which also has the new CPU) |
| 16:18:19 | markun | I'm not exatly sure about the T10.. |
| 16:18:29 | tHEk|AfK | o_O, h10 jr is awful ! |
| 16:18:45 | madman_ | when H10 was released? |
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| 16:18:52 | tHEk|AfK | 2 years maybe |
| 16:18:58 | tHEk|AfK | Maybe more |
| 16:19:10 | madman_ | T10 was 1-1.5 maybe |
| 16:19:56 | tHEk|AfK | If t10 is rockboxed, then h10 won't be the most little screen on the rockbox targets anymore ^^ |
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| 16:20:20 | madman_ | What screen size is in H10? |
| 16:20:33 | tHEk|AfK | 128px x 128px |
| 16:20:37 | tHEk|AfK | Very little |
| 16:20:43 | madman_ | T10 have smaller :P |
| 16:20:51 | madman_ | 128x64 or so... |
| 16:20:55 | tHEk|AfK | Hard to make good wps for this device ^^ |
| 16:21:21 | madman_ | WPS? |
| 16:21:28 | tHEk|AfK | While Playing Screen |
| 16:21:41 | tHEk|AfK | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=46542 |
| 16:22:03 | Menol | I've updated the dutch language file.. but how can it be added to SVN? is there a dutch developer who can check it or something? (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6797) |
| 16:22:35 | markun | Menol: I'm a Dutch developer. I'll check it later. |
| 16:22:39 | tHEk|AfK | Sbdy already said "i've updated the dutch .lang file" this morning.... |
| 16:22:47 | Menol | a, thx :) |
| 16:22:52 | madman_ | I must go now |
| 16:22:55 | madman_ | bye for now :) |
| 16:23:00 | tHEk|AfK | ++ |
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| 16:23:02 | Menol | that was me too |
| 16:23:11 | tHEk|AfK | okay Menol ^^ |
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| 16:28:02 | dabyd64 | hi u all! it seems than we're gonna have sound on sansa e200...isn't?? |
| 16:28:24 | dan_a_ | dabyd64: Yes. We're just ironing out some bugs |
| 16:28:34 | markun | Menol: where do you live? |
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| 16:29:03 | Menol | markun: near Meppel |
| 16:29:14 | Menol | markum: Drenthe |
| 16:29:50 | dabyd64 | yes! austria systems seem to be a great company, offfering so that cooperation |
| 16:29:55 | markun | Menol: I'm from Tilburg but study in Enschede |
| 16:29:59 | dabyd64 | not like Sandisk ¬¬U |
| 16:30:18 | Menol | markun: I study in Groningen |
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| 16:33:09 | Slasheri | dan_a_: it's a problem with the scheduler because it's not thread safe core wise |
| 16:33:24 | Slasheri | i have already made some progress but it's gonna take some time |
| 16:35:02 | dan_a_ | Slasheri: Ah. It doesn't seem to bea problem for the Mpegplayer plugin, though |
| 16:35:16 | Slasheri | that is just good luck |
| 16:35:27 | Slasheri | probably it does not use syscalls (mutexes etc.) |
| 16:35:40 | dan_a_ | dabyd64: rp- and austriancoder definitely think so (they are the ones who went along) |
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| 16:36:36 | dan_a_ | Slasheri: I thouhgt mutexes should be fine as long as they are uncached when they are used on both cores |
| 16:36:45 | Slasheri | dan_a_: and currently codec thread is running in the main core (it switches runtime, or before it has even started back to the main from the cop) |
| 16:37:00 | Slasheri | they are not. there are some serious issues atm |
| 16:37:23 | Slasheri | and i just fixed that now codec thread is really running on the cop |
| 16:38:08 | Slasheri | but now codec just jams and keeps its state blocked |
| 16:38:58 | dan_a_ | That's odd... there were some tests done back in December, using counters which only incremented when they were run on a particular core, and by removing all yields from the codec thread, which seemed to show it was not running on the CPU |
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| 16:39:30 | dan_a_ | Does it work if you disable caching? |
| 16:39:32 | Slasheri | yeah, but queues, mutexes etc. makes the issue |
| 16:39:46 | Slasheri | i haven't tried that yet but i strongly doubt |
| 16:40:34 | tHEk|AfK | A batterybench on H10 show that the player only work 2hours o_O |
| 16:40:41 | tHEk|AfK | I'll do one by myself |
| 16:41:17 | Slasheri | anyway, i will investigate that now but it takes from few days to few weeks until it's fixed |
| 16:41:30 | markun | tHEk|AfK: it sounds very unlikely |
| 16:42:01 | tHEk|AfK | Yeah that's why i'll do a bench when my player will be at 100% of battery |
| 16:42:12 | dan_a_ | Slasheri: If you send me the patches you've got so far I'll work on it too (if I can grok the problem) |
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| 16:42:33 | Slasheri | good, i will soon |
| 16:43:45 | tHEk|AfK | Don't you think the Rockbox website should be redesigned, starting to be old ? |
| 16:44:18 | markun | tHEk|AfK: redesign it if you want |
| 16:44:20 | jhMikeS | Hmmm...my own x5 binary sizes at 383036 but the SVN build is 383208 |
| 16:44:50 | markun | tHEk|AfK: and then see if people like it |
| 16:45:12 | stripwax | Just noticed today, using the ipod sim, that the wps/theme backdrops get dithered (and that the dithering looks sorta clunky). Is the ipod video format rgb 565? |
| 16:45:20 | tHEk|AfK | yeah |
| 16:45:21 | tHEk|AfK | no |
| 16:45:22 | tHEk|AfK | ^^ |
| 16:47:26 | jhMikeS | at least my svn autoprops work |
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| 16:51:44 | webguest96 | hi |
| 16:52:11 | preglow | sweet lord, i need a good long walk |
| 16:52:12 | dan_a_ | Hi webguest96 |
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| 16:53:50 | dan_a_ | Bye webguest96... |
| 16:53:56 | K3nto | has roxkbox been ported to zune? |
| 16:54:01 | nls | no |
| 16:54:25 | K3nto | k |
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| 17:02:00 | Menol | i'm trying to use rolo_load (for reboot), but compiler (make a sim build) says: undefined reference to 'rolo_load', i've included rolo.h.. anyone an idea? or can i beter give it up (first time i'm trying something for rockbox) |
| 17:02:48 | dan_a_ | Menol: I don't think that rolo works in the simulator |
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| 17:04:19 | Menol | dan_a_: by normal build i get no errors but it's still not working :S but thx, i'll look again |
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| 17:08:46 | stripwax | does anyone know a tool that can reduce the colordepth of a bitmap from 24-bit to 16-bit rgb565? it seems neither irfanview nor paintshop pro can do this but it *must* be a common enough task that there's already a tool for it .. |
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| 17:11:29 | Soap | stripwax: http://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-options.php#depth |
| 17:11:37 | Soap | see the -depth command-line option. |
| 17:11:44 | Soap | a great collection of tools for batch processing. |
| 17:12:16 | Soap | wrong link - http://www.imagemagick.org/script/convert.php - is the right one for the tool in question. |
| 17:12:48 | stripwax | Soap - fab, ta |
| 17:13:13 | Soap | ? |
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| 17:14:20 | * | amiconn is compiling an m5 build with ds2411 driver |
| 17:16:32 | jhMikeS | amiconn: so it's got one ... heh |
| 17:16:48 | amiconn | I don't know yet, that's why I am building... |
| 17:17:01 | jhMikeS | I see |
| 17:17:15 | amiconn | The debug menu should tell me when it can't find a ds2411? |
| 17:17:27 | jhMikeS | ERROR=-3 |
| 17:18:03 | jhMikeS | At least if the line reads high, or else you'll get a bad family code or crc |
| 17:18:43 | jhMikeS | Should I add descriptions to those maybe? |
| 17:19:45 | amiconn | READ ERR=-2 |
| 17:20:08 | jhMikeS | bad family code |
| 17:20:39 | jhMikeS | it saw the line low at the right time but read garbage....or the timing is just off |
| 17:20:44 | jhMikeS | does it work on your x5? |
| 17:20:53 | amiconn | Can't test that now |
| 17:21:37 | jhMikeS | fine here but I can't really super tune the timing. it shouldn't be really sensitive though. |
| 17:22:43 | jhMikeS | try it on all the unknown GPIOs? If it reads out it can't be anything else. |
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| 17:43:30 | dabyd64 | is any buil with sound on sdansa available? |
| 17:43:40 | dan_a_ | dabyd64: Be patient |
| 17:44:23 | BigMac | Can someone help me figure out what patches the rotation theme on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIaudioX5 need |
| 17:44:24 | BigMac | s |
| 17:44:27 | dabyd64 | ahahaa im totally impacient, id likme to know programming to help in waht id could, but just some litte microcontrollers programking |
| 17:44:39 | dabyd64 | ok, good luk 4 all |
| 17:44:44 | dabyd64 | c u! |
| 17:44:49 | BigMac | I know it uses clix build |
| 17:45:07 | dan_a_ | dabyd64: It will probably be done by the end of the day |
| 17:45:09 | BigMac | but what patches exactly because it doesn't use all |
| 17:45:14 | dabyd64 | yes! |
| 17:45:30 | BigMac | I know multifont |
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| 17:45:39 | BigMac | scroll margins perhaps? |
| 17:46:20 | dabyd64 | so, sansa's rockbox supports all the audio formats in the "codecs" folder? (16 formats in total O_o) |
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| 17:46:52 | dan_a_ | It will do |
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| 17:47:58 | BigMac | Any x5 users about? |
| 17:48:09 | dabyd64 | a big company should take you all for making their firmwares, nobody has received any invitation yet? just for interest |
| 17:48:24 | BigMac | AMs has talked |
| 17:48:28 | BigMac | right? |
| 17:49:54 | dan_a_ | I think that AMS are interested in using us as the demo firmware for their boards |
| 17:50:21 | dan_a_ | But I don't think anyone's been given any job offers anywhere |
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| 17:54:34 | rp- | AMS has their own demo firmware |
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| 17:55:31 | rp- | atleast for their new chip |
| 17:55:35 | stripwax | Soap - it doesn't seem like the '-depth' option lets you specify a different number of bits for each channel. do you have a link to any good docs on this? |
| 17:55:38 | dabyd64 | No? roc kbox wont be the best-look firmware, but is the best firmware i characteristics |
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| 17:56:04 | linuxstb | rp-: When you met with AMS, did they give a reason for not being fully open with their datasheets? |
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| 17:56:35 | Ice8lue | dan_a: do u have good news? |
| 17:57:18 | rp- | linuxstb: it is about warranty and competition, if you set some registers wrong, you could burn the chip |
| 17:57:48 | dan_a_ | Ice8lue: I have bad news. The Sansa doesn't sound as good under Rockbox as it does under the original firmware yet. The good news is I'm about 10 minutes away from putting a working sound driver in SVN |
| 17:58:12 | BigMac | dabyd64: have you tried themes yet lol? |
| 17:58:21 | BigMac | dabyd64: You can change the look |
| 17:58:33 | Ice8lue | cool =) cant wait to test it anyway^^ but i think it will be working |
| 17:58:42 | Ice8lue | dont give up^^ |
| 17:59:06 | linuxstb | rp-: "damaging the chip" seems an illogical excuse - the more public documentation that's available, the less chance that has of happening IMHO. |
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| 18:00:43 | rp- | well i wasn't arguing to much with them about that, i was happy to get some docs for the developers |
| 18:00:57 | dan_a_ | linuxstb: How much do you know about the I2S in the PortalPlayer? |
| 18:01:06 | bluebrother | if someone burns his chip be programming it wrong it's his fault, isn't it? |
| 18:01:13 | Ice8lue | re: are u allowed to share them? |
| 18:01:49 | dabyd64 | yes, themes just change the font and trhe background, but the menu still is plain text |
| 18:02:28 | dabyd64 | but y dont care for that, the best are the plugins and everithing like that |
| 18:03:18 | jhMikeS | rp-: as I read in IRC, the docs are certain "core" developers. Does that mean the docs are availble only to those directly making the port operate? |
| 18:03:23 | Ice8lue | ya its amazing what is possible with this little thingy^^ |
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| 18:04:14 | rp- | i gave the docs to people i thought they did the most work on the sansa port |
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| 18:04:50 | Ice8lue | so there's no way to have a look at them? |
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| 18:05:02 | Menol | dan_a_: thx i've added #ifndef SIMULATOR, and now it works (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6733) last patch, is there someone who can test if the rolo (reboot) works on other devices than iriver h3x0? |
| 18:07:39 | linuxstb | rp-: So what about future developers coming to the project? |
| 18:07:58 | linuxstb | Or existing Rockbox devs that may buy sansas now sound is arriving? |
| 18:08:15 | rp- | they said that they don't want the docs to be downloadable, and i asked if it's possible to give the docs atleast to some core developers, that i numbered to about 5 people working on the sansa port |
| 18:08:51 | linuxstb | dan_a: I just know what the source code tells us - which I just copied from the IPL source. What's your problem? |
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| 18:10:17 | dan_a_ | linuxstb: When we send sound using the normal code, one channel is quiet, the other distorted. rp- has made it work, but I don't know why it's working |
| 18:10:18 | rp- | if someone is really wanting to improve the sansa port, i might be giving him the docs, if he/she keeps it to him/her |
| 18:10:53 | Ice8lue | stupid question, how old are u? |
| 18:10:56 | dan_a_ | I think the problem is that the AS3514 is an 18 bit codec, not 16 bit |
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| 18:11:31 | rp- | i don't want to make AMS angry about anything, they were very nice and showed as a lot of things |
| 18:11:38 | rp- | i'm 24 |
| 18:12:04 | Ice8lue | ya that wont be good |
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| 18:14:37 | Ice8lue | <- 18 |
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| 18:18:36 | rp- | and just for info, tomorrow i'm heading 2 weeks to mexico on vacation, so if you have questions try to reach austriancoder |
| 18:19:41 | Ice8lue | could need vacations too^^ have fun |
| 18:19:53 | rp- | thanks |
| 18:20:23 | DaggyDun | this is the slowest 10 minutes of my life |
| 18:20:28 | linuxstb | dan_a: What changes have been made to the I2S setup to make it work? |
| 18:22:12 | Ice8lue | DaggyDun: and they'll get longer and longer.... |
| 18:22:42 | dan_a_ | linuxstb: http://pastebin.ca/390736 |
| 18:23:02 | dan_a_ | DaggyDun: Do you want it now, or do you want it correct? |
| 18:23:13 | dan_a_ | ;) |
| 18:23:51 | linuxstb | rp-: It just seems a very unclear arrangement to me - Rockbox developers come and go, and there is no provision for the future. But I agree it's better than nothing at all... |
| 18:24:02 | linuxstb | dan_a: No changes to i2s-pp.c ? |
| 18:24:20 | DaggyDun | correct please :) |
| 18:24:55 | dan_a_ | linuxstb: Yes - the PP becomes the master, and we have to write a value to 0x70002808 to control the speed |
| 18:25:03 | dan_a_ | But nothing major |
| 18:25:16 | Ice8lue | assembler :-~ |
| 18:25:59 | linuxstb | What about the values in IISCONFIG ? |
| 18:26:22 | * | jhMikeS thinks meaningful number and flags will be history :P |
| 18:26:42 | dan_a_ | Bit 25 controls master/slave |
| 18:26:54 | dan_a_ | Apart from that it's the same as the other PPs |
| 18:27:28 | linuxstb | So you didn't change SIZE_16BIT ? |
| 18:27:53 | jhMikeS | but this leaves out comprehensive header files with meaningful defines? what are the limits...is it open source if it has to be obfuscated? |
| 18:28:16 | dabyd64 | id like to know how is programming the pp5024, i mean how are the registers organised, memory, instructions, everithing lik ethat, just for personal interest, is any documentation tike that available? the datasheet is too simple |
| 18:28:50 | dabyd64 | I just program Microchip MicroPic microcontrollers hahaha |
| 18:28:56 | linuxstb | dabyd64: The only documentation on the portalplayer chips is the Rockbox and ipodlinux source code, plus a few pages in the ipodlinux wiki. |
| 18:29:13 | linuxstb | All information gathered from reverse-engineering existing firmwares. |
| 18:29:17 | dabyd64 | ok thanks |
| 18:29:40 | dabyd64 | oh god that seemed to be really hard |
| 18:29:46 | dan_a_ | linuxstb: No... I guess that's something to try |
| 18:30:05 | dabyd64 | i mean reverse engennering |
| 18:30:10 | dabyd64 | not programking |
| 18:30:11 | dan_a_ | I'll commit as-is at the moment, because it works, and improve it |
| 18:31:17 | rp- | don't forget to remove the #error :) |
| 18:31:26 | dan_a_ | rp-: Done! |
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| 18:31:45 | * | jhMikeS feels he asked a legitimate question and is being ignored...or will get the answer soon |
| 18:32:40 | preglow | linuxstb: i think datasheets should be handed over to the swedes as well, at least they're likely to be around for a while and can hand them out again to people who need them |
| 18:32:40 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: You're asking what the AS3514 driver will look like? |
| 18:32:53 | linuxstb | preglow: It seems at least Bagder has a copy. |
| 18:32:53 | dan_a_ | jhMikeS: It is a legitimate question, but there is a hell of a lot of "magic" in the iPod code |
| 18:33:17 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: I'm asking about what is means in regards to the Sansa as far as the source being "open" |
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| 18:34:08 | dan_a_ | I plan to write a programmer's datasheet and see if we can get AMS to let us distribute that, with any sensitive information redacted |
| 18:34:23 | preglow | jhMikeS: well, i just assume a very complete driver will be written |
| 18:34:30 | preglow | with more than enough information to do whatever you'd need to do |
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| 18:34:55 | jhMikeS | preglow: If the driver doesn't use certain flags/values, will those flags/values be in a header? |
| 18:35:33 | linuxstb | And do we need AMS's permission before code is published? |
| 18:35:37 | jhMikeS | but I guess dan_a_ gave the plan so that would of course have to include that |
| 18:36:04 | jhMikeS | so much for open source if you can't just publish what you "find out" |
| 18:36:04 | dan_a_ | linuxstb: Good question. rp-: did they say anything about that? |
| 18:36:09 | rp- | linuxstb: no we don't need |
| 18:36:48 | preglow | jhMikeS: i do assume them to be documented even if not used, yes |
| 18:36:48 | rp- | they said they are fine with code released, they just didn't want that we put the datasheet on the web |
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| 18:37:18 | preglow | at least it's a straightforward way to make sure future coders with no datasheets can do their jobs |
| 18:37:24 | jhMikeS | so they gave permission in essence to leak it in details in the code |
| 18:37:30 | dan_a_ | jhMikeS: My initial commit won't have every value documented, but I will add those soon |
| 18:37:45 | rp- | don't ask me why that, because if you right a nice driver with all registers and well documented, it reads like a datasheet |
| 18:37:55 | jhMikeS | I find some relief in know that's ok |
| 18:37:57 | rp- | +write |
| 18:38:00 | rp- | -right |
| 18:38:36 | jhMikeS | but not to "chip burners" I suppose :p |
| 18:39:31 | Ice8lue | i think it would be fun to burn that thing^^ its just that i need mine.... |
| 18:39:34 | rp- | they said someone could write something like a "virus" |
| 18:40:09 | dan_a_ | Ooh, I got a nice revision number! |
| 18:40:11 | Ice8lue | rp-:ya and then there will be Norton Antivirus and Firewall for Rockbox^^ |
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| 18:42:29 | jhMikeS | virus...lol |
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| 18:43:32 | jhMikeS | I actually had pondered writing a virus on a DAP...good thing they stopped me |
| 18:46:00 | preglow | open source virus, haha |
| 18:46:02 | jhMikeS | so dsp.c and the pcm buffer need modification to output 18 bit audio? |
| 18:46:27 | preglow | oh well, i guess someone could distribute a virus that hacks mp3 files to something that crashes rockbox when played |
| 18:46:53 | jhMikeS | was actually thinking about how to infect the host computer ;) |
| 18:47:31 | preglow | dan_a_: so you can't do single decibel steps, then? |
| 18:47:35 | jhMikeS | guess that comes from the old love of things that go boom |
| 18:47:38 | Ice8lue | kinda trojan would be interesting^^ |
| 18:47:55 | dan_a_ | preglow: 1.5dB - which doesn't really fit with Rockbox |
| 18:48:47 | preglow | dan_a_: i have some code which does give volume, bass and treble the possibility to use 1.5 db steps |
| 18:48:57 | dan_a_ | Cool |
| 18:48:58 | preglow | written for wm8975, which has bass and treble steps at 1.5 db |
| 18:49:32 | jhMikeS | yeah, but what about the 18bit codec which fits even worse? |
| 18:49:47 | Kailash | how come the sansa isn't in teh daily build table |
| 18:49:48 | preglow | i was just assuming data is truncated to 16 bits |
| 18:50:27 | preglow | jhMikeS: anyway, you have the solution to that anyway, don't you? :> |
| 18:50:35 | jhMikeS | me too, but I guess provisions should be made |
| 18:50:35 | dan_a_ | jhMikeS: Is it worth adding 18bit output? Sure, we lose a little dynamic range, but the source material isn't going to be 18 bit... or am I missing something? |
| 18:50:37 | jhMikeS | not yet |
| 18:50:44 | preglow | dan_a_: it is |
| 18:50:54 | preglow | dan_a_: almost all our codecs generate data at above 16 bits |
| 18:51:07 | dan_a_ | Ah |
| 18:51:10 | preglow | dan_a_: at least the ones that aren't lossless |
| 18:51:31 | preglow | dan_a_: as soon as something isn't lossless and you're basically resynthesizing the output, you can have as much precision you want |
| 18:51:34 | preglow | kinda pointless, but there you go |
| 18:51:50 | preglow | mpeg audio is 28 bits, for example |
| 18:52:00 | jhMikeS | well, I guess if I reduce the pcm buffer to a simple queue, and process late in the game, that would be a simple |
| 18:52:17 | linuxstb | dan_a: So is your current driver definitely working correctly? i.e. can you tell if the DAC is using all 16-bits properly? |
| 18:52:58 | Slasheri | dan_a_: disabling cache helped debugging a lot |
| 18:53:00 | dan_a_ | linuxstb: There's no horrible noise, but it does sound a little muddy |
| 18:53:36 | jhMikeS | funny, I know someone that just a few days ago only took his sansa out of the box that he got for Christmas. urgh |
| 18:53:37 | dan_a_ | Slasheri: Excellent |
| 18:53:52 | Slasheri | now the codec is running properly and buffer fills but pcm output is not activated and nothing consumes the buffer |
| 18:54:18 | linuxstb | dan_a_: I could be wrong, but maybe you'll need to use all the i2s bits - e.g. send 4 18-bit samples packed into 3 24-bit words. |
| 18:54:44 | linuxstb | Unless the AS3514 can be configured to accept something other than 18-bit data on the i2s bus. |
| 18:55:35 | jhMikeS | I thought i2s had to |
| 18:55:53 | jhMikeS | 16,18,20 |
| 18:56:36 | linuxstb | Does i2s have the concept of words, or is it just a stream of bits? |
| 18:57:11 | dan_a_ | Damn, red build :( |
| 18:57:28 | jhMikeS | words are marked by the LR clock |
| 18:57:50 | Slasheri | hmm, probably pcm does not like to start when it's initialized from the COP |
| 18:59:03 | jhMikeS | From the looks of things I'd say all the audio playback and recording threads have to move |
| 18:59:29 | jhMikeS | pcmrec and codec have to go together for sure |
| 18:59:30 | Slasheri | to move where? |
| 18:59:44 | jhMikeS | To the same core |
| 18:59:50 | Slasheri | ah, yes |
| 18:59:58 | Slasheri | that is what i have had in mind too |
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| 19:00:17 | Slasheri | but now i will try to start pcm from the other code |
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| 19:00:29 | dan_a_ | I suspect it should problably be voice, codec and pcmrec on the COP |
| 19:00:34 | jhMikeS | recording won't function split without a lot of mutexing and that would be bad for it |
| 19:01:09 | jhMikeS | recording is pretty free threaded, so are the codecs |
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| 19:05:08 | jhMikeS | might need a couple small locks in places, but the thread controlling it can be on any core |
| 19:05:53 | DaggyDun | one of these days i'm going to take over rockbox |
| 19:06:10 | dan_a_ | DaggyDun: What for? |
| 19:06:48 | * | jhMikeS wonders about the sync queues accross threads now which recording uses heavily |
| 19:06:55 | jhMikeS | across cores rather |
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| 19:07:12 | DaggyDun | i dont mean actually take over. i mean that i'm goin to be the most hardcore coder for it |
| 19:07:41 | DaggyDun | after i graduate i'll hav nothing but time to learn how to program |
| 19:08:03 | Slasheri | dan_a_: now i got it running with sound =) but only without cache and it's very slow and skippy now |
| 19:08:05 | jhMikeS | good...there's never too little to do |
| 19:08:24 | Ice8lue | DaggyDun: ya do so^^ |
| 19:08:57 | dan_a_ | Slasheri: All the variables that are shared across cores will need to be in IRAM... |
| 19:09:27 | Slasheri | dan_a_: because of performance issues? |
| 19:09:59 | Slasheri | what about NOCACHEBSS_ATTR? |
| 19:10:07 | dan_a_ | Slasheri: Caching. IRAM isn't cached, where as DRAM is cached separately on each core. |
| 19:10:15 | Slasheri | ok, good |
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| 19:10:53 | dan_a_ | At the moment NOCACHEBSS_ATTR is a synonym for IBSS_ATTR, but when I/someone works out how to do uncached DRAM correctly we can change that |
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| 19:11:45 | preglow | jhMikeS: btw, in upsample asm, src should never be allowed to be equal to src_end, should it? |
| 19:12:27 | jhMikeS | preglow: depends, if src_end = src + count or src_end = src + count -1 |
| 19:12:47 | preglow | the former |
| 19:12:58 | jhMikeS | then it's src < src_end |
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| 19:13:29 | preglow | then the comments in your upsample are slightly wrong |
| 19:13:45 | jhMikeS | probably, since I think tweaked things |
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| 19:14:28 | jhMikeS | I set src_end to src + count - 1 since I need s[count-1] and thought I'd save more calcs |
| 19:15:12 | preglow | no, you set it to src + count, as far as i can see |
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| 19:17:12 | jhMikeS | move.l -(%a5), (%a4) <== |
| 19:17:44 | preglow | right |
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| 19:18:16 | GrooveStix | hi folks! |
| 19:18:56 | GrooveStix | hopefully you don't mind me asking a question |
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| 19:19:58 | jhMikeS | preglow: But I think that's a relic ... not sure why I need it now ... lea.l -4(%a3, %d2.l*4), %a5 would do just fine |
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| 19:20:14 | DaggyDun | THERES SOUND :) :'( |
| 19:20:29 | preglow | jhMikeS: "ble" is branch on signed lesser than or equal, right? why use a signed condition when working with pointers? |
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| 19:20:58 | preglow | hrm |
| 19:21:04 | preglow | i think i'm confused now |
| 19:21:22 | jhMikeS | I don't think it matters really...it will end up greater that after the last |
| 19:21:35 | bluebrother | GrooveStix, just go ahead |
| 19:21:41 | GrooveStix | ahh thanks |
| 19:21:48 | GrooveStix | I've been using RockBox for some time now (on my GigaBeat player) and it makes me very happy. |
| 19:21:54 | GrooveStix | Couple of days ago I decided to check out the "daily builds" section for GigaBeat F |
| 19:21:56 | jhMikeS | is there any other option?? bvc? |
| 19:22:05 | jhMikeS | bvs? |
| 19:22:23 | GrooveStix | are those builds safe to use? |
| 19:22:30 | GrooveStix | since my gigabeat started crashing randomly |
| 19:22:47 | * | jhMikeS 's didn't |
| 19:23:31 | chr_k | Hi, just wanted to use the fact that sound now works on my sansa use as an opportunity to say thank you to all the rockbox developers. So far, it works great! |
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| 19:25:35 | GrooveStix | any opinions? |
| 19:25:48 | jhMikeS | reset all settings...do a full update |
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| 19:26:21 | DaggyDun | theres sound with video as well!! thank you |
| 19:26:34 | jhMikeS | If you can reproduce anything reliably put a bug report in |
| 19:26:35 | bluebrother | GrooveStix, I don't know the Gigabeat port. It should be safe to use, but you may experience some troubles from time to time |
| 19:26:56 | bluebrother | as it hasn't been released there are most probably a couple of bugs left ;-) |
| 19:27:18 | GrooveStix | is there any way I could help? |
| 19:27:24 | GrooveStix | maybe send some crash reports? |
| 19:27:47 | bluebrother | sure, if you can reproduce the crashes |
| 19:28:29 | GrooveStix | hmm, they all seemed to happen when the player would shut down itself (i just remembered) |
| 19:28:30 | bluebrother | if you want to file bugs please make sure you read the FlysprayHowto wiki page |
| 19:29:04 | GrooveStix | oh! well let me see. Maybe the bug is alredy there |
| 19:30:38 | GrooveStix | btw |
| 19:30:41 | bluebrother | you could also ask in the forums if someone else is experiencing the same issue |
| 19:30:51 | GrooveStix | what is the best way to update the firmware? |
| 19:31:06 | GrooveStix | should I first delete it from my gigabeat |
| 19:31:13 | GrooveStix | and then copy the new one? |
| 19:31:28 | GrooveStix | or should I just Copy'n'Overwrite it? |
| 19:31:30 | jhMikeS | shouldn't be needed, just extract the new one to the root over it |
| 19:33:13 | GrooveStix | okay |
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| 19:35:15 | GrooveStix | I'll try the lates build and see if the problem is still present |
| 19:35:26 | GrooveStix | if it is I'll see if I need to file a bug |
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| 19:35:54 | GrooveStix | otherwise I'll got to the stable version of Rockbox that I was using previously |
| 19:36:00 | GrooveStix | *go |
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| 19:36:47 | GrooveStix | Other than that, thanks a lot guys for making this happen! |
| 19:38:14 | amiconn | Hmm, no 'ladies & gentlemen' mail yet? |
| 19:39:11 | jhMikeS | amiconn: find anything on M5? |
| 19:39:16 | dan_a_ | amiconn: I forgot about that |
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| 19:42:43 | Slasheri | hmm, is there some magic how to boost cop? |
| 19:43:51 | dan_a_ | Slasheri: It boosts with the CPU - there is a way to make it run at a different speed, but we don't know it |
| 19:44:05 | Slasheri | ah, ok |
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| 19:44:27 | Slasheri | because i have managed to get it play with cache also a bit, but it still skips a lot |
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| 19:46:34 | Slasheri | oh, now it works without skipping |
| 19:47:11 | Slasheri | and ui lag is gone when scrolling a _lot_! |
| 19:47:42 | Ice8lue | maybe u know what to do....if i open a mp3 file rockbox shows the playing screen, the play-symbol apperars but the progressbar doesnt move. what is this? |
| 19:47:48 | Slasheri | but it's not very stable yet, had to initialize audio playback 3 times before got it running without crash at start |
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| 19:48:22 | Slasheri | but in other way now it can be clearly seen that COP does all decoding. It runs audio & codec threads |
| 19:48:27 | Slasheri | voice thread is entirely disabled atm |
| 19:49:07 | dan_a_ | You've moved audio to the COP? |
| 19:51:08 | Slasheri | yes |
| 19:51:22 | Slasheri | could not get caches in sync with codec other way |
| 19:51:43 | Slasheri | and now pcm needs to be started outside of audio thread |
| 19:51:56 | Slasheri | i did a very ugly hack and start it from playlist thread |
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| 19:58:43 | DaggyDun | audio only skips on certain files. |
| 19:58:45 | DaggyDun | Let u go - ashley parker angel=lots of skipping |
| 19:58:47 | DaggyDun | breaking the habit - linkin park=no skipping at all |
| 19:59:22 | bluebrother | DaggyDun, what player? Did you read the FAQ? |
| 19:59:45 | dan_a_ | DaggyDun: Audio support on the Sansa is fairly recent... |
| 19:59:53 | bluebrother | ah ... |
| 19:59:59 | DaggyDun | sansa |
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| 20:00:14 | bluebrother | so my question was useless ;-) |
| 20:00:15 | DaggyDun | oops... going to read it now |
| 20:00:50 | bluebrother | audio support got commited today, don't expect it to be completely flawless atm |
| 20:01:00 | Slasheri | hmm, but i think entire audio thread is too complex to be placed in the cop. Now ata and everything fails when two cores are trying to access the same resources |
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| 20:01:10 | Slasheri | mutexes does not seem to help much either |
| 20:02:19 | dan_a_ | I'd only moved the codec thread over since it was nice and self contained, and there were only a few shared variables |
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| 20:03:00 | Slasheri | dan_a_: indeed, and then keep it as simple as possible |
| 20:03:13 | Slasheri | codec thread should not access disk at all, etc. |
| 20:03:21 | Slasheri | so we even need to simplify it more |
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| 20:03:50 | dan_a_ | I feel that the audio thread should be on the CPU if possible |
| 20:04:06 | Slasheri | accessing disk and file system is accessing dircache and all core features.. and those are cached in wrong way |
| 20:04:16 | Slasheri | yes, it certainly has to be |
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| 20:05:24 | testerxxx | Hi! |
| 20:05:34 | dan_a_ | Hi testerxxx |
| 20:05:38 | testerxxx | I have question. |
| 20:06:07 | dan_a_ | If it's about Rockbox, then ask it :) |
| 20:06:19 | testerxxx | When rockbox will be support Nano 2nd ? |
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| 20:07:22 | dan_a_ | We don't know. It's really difficult to do, because it is encrypted so we can't even find out how to run our own firmware on there. |
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| 20:08:40 | toffe82 | jhMikeS: what do you wanted to know on the gigabeat S ? |
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| 20:09:07 | testerxxx | Ok. But it dont possible even in early future? |
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| 20:09:29 | nls | testerxxx: we don't know |
| 20:10:28 | GrooveStix | ladies and gents of the jury, I got's me a question fer yer |
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| 20:10:40 | GrooveStix | :) |
| 20:11:07 | GrooveStix | is there something like an ini file that RockBox saves all the setings? |
| 20:11:55 | bluebrother | /.rockbox/config.cfg |
| 20:11:59 | DaggyDun | are any of the developers in need of a sansa battery benchmark results? |
| 20:12:27 | GrooveStix | hmm how did I not see that?! |
| 20:12:37 | testerxxx | it is clear. its good that I have nano 1nd gen=) and I dont buying nano 2nd till |
| 20:12:50 | bluebrother | it's a text file. Use any text editor. |
| 20:13:31 | GrooveStix | yes |
| 20:13:36 | GrooveStix | I know why I didn't see it |
| 20:13:54 | GrooveStix | when I did a clean install of Rockbox it wasn't there |
| 20:13:58 | bluebrother | depending on your OS the .rockbox folder will be hidden |
| 20:14:11 | GrooveStix | I guess it gets created after I boot rockbox |
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| 20:20:00 | GrooveStix | kewl! well thanks a lot! see you some other time... |
| 20:21:35 | bluebrother | that file holds only settings that are different from the defaults (at least afaik). Use "export cfg file" to save all settings |
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| 20:30:20 | ]RowaN[ | im about to try and design a new WPS for sansa.. its not currently possible to make a 90 degree rotated WPS is it? |
| 20:30:26 | ]RowaN[ | well done on audio on sansa guys btw =] |
| 20:30:38 | ]RowaN[ | theres a party in my ears |
| 20:30:46 | preglow | where's the gentlemen mail! :-) |
| 20:30:59 | * | bluebrother just read that |
| 20:31:03 | Nico_P | preglow: it's arrived |
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| 20:31:45 | dan_a_ | preglow: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2007-03/0005.shtml <- There! |
| 20:31:52 | Slasheri | hmm.. playback engine needs quite a refactoring to support dual core |
| 20:32:01 | dukeman | You folks working on Sansa E200 port; If i didn't mistrust the postal service here so much, i'd send you all cookies |
| 20:33:25 | dan_a_ | Huge amounts of thanks are due to rp- and austriancoder for setting up that meeting! |
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| 20:34:45 | * | Soap rushes to "Buy it now!" before the price goes up. (or would that be considered "insider trading"?) |
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| 20:36:01 | dan_a_ | Soap: I'm not sure it matters. The Sansa is one of those rare beasts: A Rockbox player which is still being produced by the manufacturer |
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| 20:38:38 | preglow | dan_a_: my mail server is down, apparently |
| 20:39:26 | petur | can somebody tell me what timeframe google soc runs (I saw it is 3 months) |
| 20:39:50 | toffe82 | when this sansa will be available, you will have a really good one with wifi |
| 20:39:51 | dan_a_ | Hmmmm... if I can get write a working AK4537 driver by next Sunday, we'll have a nice steady rate of one "gentlemen" mail per week |
| 20:40:04 | toffe82 | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/01/08/sandisk_updates_mp3_line-up/ |
| 20:40:59 | |Rincewind| | google soc runs until september or oktober afaik |
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| 20:43:42 | rp- | dan_a_: ak4537? where is this chip built in? and what does it do? |
| 20:45:38 | dan_a_ | rp-: It's the codec in some Samsung players - including the YH-820. There is documentation for it, and I'm tempted to do it as the first port where there is sound but no graphics (I'm not smart enough to reverse-engineer a video driver) |
| 20:48:56 | rp- | dan_a_: ah ok, how many players do you have? ipod, sansa, ...? |
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| 20:50:53 | mofonyx | i am having trouble creating playlists :S |
| 20:50:59 | mofonyx | the manual is not very helpful |
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| 20:51:20 | dan_a_ | rp-: I get given lots of broken (and sometimes not broken) players, and I buy broken ones on ebay and mend them. The working players I've got are iPod G3 and G4, Sansa, and YH-820. Broken I have YH-820, iriver H10 and YH-920 |
| 20:51:36 | mofonyx | can someone tell me how to get about queueing music? |
| 20:52:54 | nls | mofonyx: try reading the "browsing and playing" chapter in the "unhelpful" manual |
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| 20:54:07 | mofonyx | nls: that's where i am at |
| 20:54:13 | ryanpg | hi all... can someone recommend a good flashdrive based MP3 player that supports RB? |
| 20:54:21 | preglow | hrm, what cpu does the gigabeat s have again? |
| 20:54:47 | mofonyx | when i'm looking at adding music to dynamic playlists, (4.4.3) i can't seem to get myself to that menu where there is "Insert, Queue..." |
| 20:55:10 | bluebrother | it's in the context menu of a file / folder |
| 20:55:52 | mofonyx | bluebrother : i don't get what that means, sorry :( |
| 20:55:58 | toffe82 | preglow:samsung s3c2440 300Mhz |
| 20:56:08 | bluebrother | what player are you using? |
| 20:56:10 | preglow | i thought someone mentioned mx31 |
| 20:56:18 | toffe82 | it is on the gigabeat S |
| 20:56:21 | Slasheri | dan_a_: now i got it running more reliable but the implementation is still very ugly and full of potential issues |
| 20:56:26 | mofonyx | ipod 4th gen photo, with the latest firmware for rockbox |
| 20:56:27 | toffe82 | the F use the samsung one |
| 20:56:41 | preglow | well, i did say "gigabeat s" |
| 20:56:41 | preglow | :-) |
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| 20:56:56 | toffe82 | sorry, I don't have my glasses on ;) |
| 20:56:56 | Slasheri | the audio thread <-> codec thread inter-communication needs to be re-designed completely |
| 20:57:06 | bluebrother | browse to the file you want to queue. Press and hold Select. |
| 20:57:10 | Slasheri | and now having a separate codec thread is really mandatory |
| 20:57:22 | ryanpg | or, is there a "recommended players" list somewhere on the rockbox.org site? If so I can't find it. |
| 20:57:23 | bluebrother | that'll open the context menu, and its first entry is "Playlist" |
| 20:57:28 | mofonyx | bluebrother : thanks |
| 20:57:29 | toffe82 | preglow: I.mxl31 |
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| 20:58:33 | dan_a_ | Slasheri: My thinking would be that if we can do all audio<->codec IPC through queues, then as long as the queue itsself is dual-core safe we will be fine |
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| 21:00:55 | Slasheri | dan_a_: yeah, but we also need to share buffer data and pointers between threads. and that must be re-designed |
| 21:01:43 | Slasheri | dan_a_: i can dcc a horrible patch for you if you would like to hack something |
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| 21:02:33 | dan_a_ | Slasheri: sounds good - I'm not sure dcc will work here though |
| 21:03:52 | Slasheri | dan_a_: here, it's full of crap of everything =) |
| 21:04:06 | Slasheri | and if you are lucky, you might even be able to initialize the audio playback and play something |
| 21:04:11 | preglow | toffe82: damn, we can run java on this thing :P |
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| 21:05:16 | preglow | how wonderfully overkill |
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| 21:15:18 | Nico_P | toffe82: the wiki page on the gigabeat S mentions a Freescale i.MX31L |
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| 21:15:59 | toffe82 | yes |
| 21:16:02 | Nico_P | hmm ignore me i misread what was said above |
| 21:16:29 | Nico_P | this thing could de pretty cool things |
| 21:16:57 | toffe82 | I have a gigabeat S board with no component , will begin to trace the signals this week, I hope that the jtag interface is working |
| 21:17:47 | toffe82 | If it is working, I will try to load linux ;0 |
| 21:18:08 | Nico_P | if and when port gets done we'll have to think about how to separate features designed for ridiculouslt overpowered targets like the gigabeats and the rest |
| 21:18:15 | toffe82 | I will need help on how to use the tools to reprogram the flash |
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| 21:19:27 | toffe82 | on the site of freescale, ther is a vmware image with all the tools onstalled for the imx, if somebody can have a look to help me.. there is also the tools alone.. |
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| 21:31:39 | tHEk|AfK | Han can i enable DEBUGF ? |
| 21:32:50 | preglow | in by telling configure to make a debug build |
| 21:33:03 | tHEk|AfK | okay |
| 21:33:43 | tHEk|AfK | "define DEBUG" ? |
| 21:33:59 | preglow | run configure and ask for a debug build |
| 21:34:00 | preglow | it asks you |
| 21:34:07 | tHEk|AfK | Yah |
| 21:34:15 | tHEk|AfK | I've choosen "(D)ebug |
| 21:34:26 | tHEk|AfK | And it tels me "define Debug" |
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| 21:40:29 | pearldiver | is there a problem with the gigabeat bootloader? |
| 21:40:30 | pearldiver | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort |
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| 21:42:24 | pearldiver | judging by this thread: |
| 21:42:25 | pearldiver | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9254.0 |
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| 21:44:00 | rotator | pearldiver: the bootloader is not broken, it's just a bit old |
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| 21:46:56 | pearldiver | so if a new user download it from there it wont work im assumming |
| 21:47:36 | rotator | it will work, it just doesn't support rockbox.gigabeat in the .rockbox directory |
| 21:48:38 | pearldiver | i see |
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| 22:26:10 | HeaD_ShOt | can anybody link me to the gigabeat irc i cant find it anywhere |
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| 22:26:45 | Soap | #gigabeat |
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| 22:39:22 | mattzz | Geeee!!! Sound on Sansa! |
| 22:39:28 | mattzz | That was fast! |
| 22:39:58 | mattzz | Even the equalizer is working... |
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| 22:40:43 | dan_a_ | mattzz: Balance will be too in a couple of minutes |
| 22:41:32 | mattzz | dan_a_: nice ;-) |
| 22:46:59 | amiconn | Why oh why is this 'live updating' irc log viewer lagging so horribly :/ |
| 22:48:36 | Soap | I've never gotten it to display past ~16:00, on either my slow machine with FF or my fast machine with IE. |
| 22:48:46 | * | petur still uses the txt link |
| 22:49:09 | nls | for me it works nicely for about an hour and then stops updating |
| 22:49:17 | amiconn | It works, but it takes _ages_ to catch up to current time |
| 22:49:33 | amiconn | ...and on IE the script breaks afaik |
| 22:49:51 | amiconn | It also doesn't store preferences |
| 22:50:53 | dan_a_ | It works fine for me, unless an IE user complains that all they see is (a certain string) and then it doesn't log any more than that |
| 22:51:53 | amiconn | Doesn't work here |
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| 22:52:32 | Soap | dan_a: I don't quite follow - are you saying that some unknown "certain string" from the logged channel is probably breaking the script's display on IE? |
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| 22:53:28 | amiconn | IE just displays "−−Delimiter Content-type: text/html", the various links to hours and formatting, and the headline "#rockbox log for 2007-03-11" |
| 22:53:30 | dan_a_ | Soap: There is a string that displays at the top of the screen in IE. When a user comes into this channel and mentions it, Firefox stops delaying the log properly from that point on... |
| 22:53:50 | amiconn | Below that is just a blank area |
| 22:53:55 | dan_a_ | It's the string that amiconn has just typed... |
| 22:54:43 | Soap | I'll watch for that, and report if I notice it stopping at any other point. |
| 22:55:04 | dan_a_ | On Firefox, the logs now go up to '22:53:28amiconnIE just displays "' |
| 22:55:05 | amiconn | It works for past days, but for the current day it doesn't |
| 22:56:08 | amiconn | The formatting links don't work at all in IE |
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| 22:58:50 | amiconn | Somewhat more on topic: The space waste in the optimised list code is still there :( |
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| 23:03:27 | nls | amiconn: which drawmode should I set to make fillrect inverse bg and fg colors? |
| 23:03:52 | amiconn | ? |
| 23:04:41 | amiconn | Fillrect can either fill with fg or bg color, or complement all pixels |
| 23:04:48 | nls | like in the keyboard, it sets DRMODE_COMPLEMENT which inverts the colors for the selected character, I want it to inverse them instead |
| 23:05:33 | nls | so complement should inverse fg/bg? |
| 23:05:35 | amiconn | This can't be done with fillrect |
| 23:05:52 | amiconn | No, complement changes all pixels to their complementary colour |
| 23:06:26 | nls | yes and that makes the selection a nasty brown color with my backdrop ;-) |
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| 23:06:37 | timing | Hello! |
| 23:06:41 | amiconn | If you want the letter in bg colour within a fg colour rectangle, you just need to draw the letter with DRMODE_SOLID|DRMODE_INVERSEVID |
| 23:07:05 | nls | amiconn: ok, will try it out, thanks |
| 23:07:14 | amiconn | Swapping fg and bg in an existing picture cannot work for obvious reasons |
| 23:07:40 | timing | Today i recorded a gig of my band with a condenser microphone, just with the iaudio firmware. however, after 15 minutes it stopped recording. so this is sucky. someone tried to restart the recording. but the 2nd session stopped after 10 minutes. |
| 23:07:48 | timing | So, i want to try recording with rockbox |
| 23:08:02 | timing | i run rockbox already a while so that;s cool |
| 23:08:13 | timing | but do some people have experience with recoring with rockbox here ? |
| 23:08:50 | timing | it just records to .wav files right? |
| 23:09:01 | timing | and what about the quality? |
| 23:09:51 | timing | I'm going to try it anyway, the next time we practice. |
| 23:09:51 | amiconn | You can record to wav, aiff, wavpack, or mp3 |
| 23:09:55 | timing | hmm |
| 23:10:05 | timing | my encoding menu is empty :-) |
| 23:10:10 | timing | i guess it's not in the package i use |
| 23:11:19 | timing | I read charging with rockbox is not recommended. So i really need a fully charged battery when i'm going to record a gig i guess. |
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| 23:11:48 | scorche | ...where did you hear that? |
| 23:11:52 | timing | forum i guess |
| 23:12:09 | scorche | most of the devices have the charging routines in hardware |
| 23:12:29 | timing | like the dev's where not exactly sure if they filled the battery cells in the right way. |
| 23:12:43 | timing | but i don't know how charging works, so i might sound stupid |
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| 23:13:03 | timing | i read it 6 month's ago i think |
| 23:13:25 | scorche | if you point out what you are referring to exactly, i could comment on it... |
| 23:13:32 | timing | yeah let's search |
| 23:13:43 | timing | so there is no problem at all you say? |
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| 23:14:56 | scorche | if charging could harm your device, it would only be in a patch for developers testing |
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| 23:15:06 | scorche | not in the builds |
| 23:16:47 | petur | timing: talk to jhMikeS about recording on the X5 |
| 23:17:15 | timing | http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=12606&highlight=charging |
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| 23:17:21 | timing | jhMikeS: Hey dude! :-) |
| 23:17:38 | timing | petur: are you petur ben, the icelandic singer? :-P |
| 23:17:51 | petur | nope but I love Iceland :) |
| 23:17:56 | timing | cool, so do i |
| 23:18:00 | timing | i took rockbox with me to iceland |
| 23:18:19 | * | petur goes low-tech when hiking |
| 23:18:26 | timing | scorche: there ^ |
| 23:18:36 | timing | petur: hehe i didn't hike, wen't to see the sugarcubes :P |
| 23:19:11 | petur | I saw Björk and Sigur Rós... both in Belgium :) |
| 23:19:16 | preglow | hrm |
| 23:19:24 | scorche | timing: and that says the same thing i did...hardware controlled |
| 23:19:28 | timing | petur: rock werchter 2003 i think? |
| 23:19:30 | preglow | does the mailing lists allow you to change your address without unsubscribing in some way? |
| 23:19:35 | timing | scorche: okay cool! thanks |
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| 23:21:40 | timing | Well anyway, I'll idle here until i stumble upon a jhMikeS |
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| 23:22:00 | * | timing going to bed! bye! |
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| 23:39:22 | amiconn | dan_a: The sansa doesn't have cpu scaling enabled? |
| 23:40:18 | dan_a_ | amiconn: Not at the moment - I tried it earlier tonight and the sansa refused to play audio |
| 23:40:47 | amiconn | Hmm, strange |
| 23:41:15 | amiconn | I just noticed because of the size reduction on sansa due to my latest commit |
| 23:41:31 | Bagder | preglow: subscribe the new address first, then unsubscribe the old... I guess |
| 23:42:11 | amiconn | hi Bagder |
| 23:42:58 | amiconn | Bagder: Could you check why my build server doesn't get builds scheduled since about 13 hours? |
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| 23:44:09 | Bagder | "Warning: SSH+svn with server rbclient@amiconn.dyndns.org" |
| 23:44:19 | Bagder | failed |
| 23:44:36 | amiconn | Huh, that's odd |
| 23:44:46 | amiconn | Machine's running fine, and ssh works |
| 23:44:59 | Bagder | it is logged when the line "ssh -i privkey $ssh_port $sshopts $server "svn up -r $torev" returns non-zero |
| 23:45:00 | amiconn | Will check port mapping and dyndns resolution... |
| 23:45:16 | preglow | Bagder: nah, mailing list prefs seems to let you do it |
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| 23:46:01 | Bagder | ah, goodie |
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| 23:46:42 | preglow | it said it would mail me confirmation message, though, which didn't happen |
| 23:47:31 | preglow | guess i'll have to wait and see if it works |
| 23:47:44 | preglow | there it is |
| 23:47:47 | amiconn | Hmm, port mapping is okay, but dyndns update seems to have problems |
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| 23:52:30 | Bagder | (terrestrial) analog TV shutdown day coming up here |
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| 23:53:24 | * | nls is guessing an uproar is following but they could have timed it better and done it the day before "melodifestivlen" :-) |
| 23:53:47 | preglow | hahaha |
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| 23:54:03 | Bagder | :-) |
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| 23:55:11 | amiconn | Okay, should work again. Strange beasts, those routers... |
| 23:56:24 | * | Bagder updated the web site front page |
| 23:57:22 | amiconn | Speaking of which... did you now make the frontpage use the www module version in svn? |
| 23:57:39 | Bagder | nope |
| 23:57:42 | amiconn | :( |
| 23:57:52 | amiconn | What use is this module when it's not used? |
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| 23:58:52 | Bagder | it is meant to be used |
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