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| 00:01:04 | donvito | has there been any updates to mi4code to allow rhapsody signing yet? |
| 00:01:20 | Bagder | signing? |
| 00:01:25 | Bagder | you really want that? |
| 00:01:36 | Bagder | it requires a patched BL as well |
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| 00:02:45 | ]RowaN[ | check out my WIP sansa WPS http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/8083/sansarowanmo0.jpg =] |
| 00:03:15 | ]RowaN[ | the tetris boxes are the progress bar |
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| 00:04:15 | donvito | Bagder: sorry, i guess thats what i meant, has there been any progress? |
| 00:04:42 | Bagder | well, in what way doesn't it currently work then? |
| 00:04:50 | Bagder | I didn't know anyone ever tried it |
| 00:04:53 | aliask | Bagder: Did we make it in time for the SoC? |
| 00:05:22 | donvito | Bagder: well, i have a e260r, dan_a and i were trying to get rockbox to boot on it one night, and the bootloader doesn't boot |
| 00:05:34 | donvito | Bagder: it gives the load main image failed..etc every time |
| 00:05:48 | Bagder | aliask: yes, I'm about to apply |
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| 00:06:12 | aliask | Bagder: Great! |
| 00:06:16 | Bagder | donvito: and you tried it without the "all plaintext" trick? |
| 00:06:38 | donvito | Bagder: i know what you're talking about , but how would i do that |
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| 00:07:08 | Bagder | well, how did you build the image you tried to run? |
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| 00:08:16 | donvito | Bagder: i used your bootloader from the forum post... |
| 00:08:28 | donvito | Bagder: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200R/ |
| 00:08:39 | Bagder | that one has the "all plaintext" thing |
| 00:08:46 | donvito | Bagder: tryed signing it with rhapsody, dummy, both without success |
| 00:08:49 | donvito | Bagder: ok |
| 00:09:16 | Bagder | the all plaintext means that it isn't encrypted at all |
| 00:09:35 | Bagder | while the original one is, only having the header part unencrypted |
| 00:09:37 | donvito | Bagder: right |
| 00:11:07 | donvito | Bagder: so would i want to try to encrypt the bootloader with the rhapsody key? because ive tryed it to no avail |
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| 00:12:58 | Bagder | it would probably be better if you took the original mi4 file and tried your tricks on that |
| 00:13:22 | Bagder | I mean, resigned it and re-encrypted it etc |
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| 00:13:39 | donvito | Bagder: well, we concluded that signing the orig fw with the rhapsody key, using mi4code, does boot fine. |
| 00:14:12 | Bagder | you mean encryption, not signing |
| 00:14:27 | Bagder | we can't sign with any "original" signatures |
| 00:14:30 | donvito | Bagder: sorry :X |
| 00:14:43 | donvito | Bagder: i know, sorry, thats just me being hasty |
| 00:14:58 | Bagder | I just want to be clear |
| 00:15:04 | donvito | Bagder: understood |
| 00:15:24 | donvito | Bagder: so what do you propose i do, to try to get rockbox to boot? |
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| 00:16:03 | Bagder | first thing, try putting the dummy signature in the original mi4 file |
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| 00:16:47 | donvito | Bagder: the sandisk fw? |
| 00:16:51 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:17:06 | Bagder | we need to know if the dummy signature works |
| 00:17:13 | donvito | Bagder: ahh ic ic, yes. |
| 00:17:17 | donvito | Bagder: ill try that now |
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| 00:19:47 | ]RowaN[ | i read that album art requires a seperate patch, but i see some WPS's display it without a patch.. can someone clarify that? |
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| 00:20:22 | Bagder | album art is not in Rockbox yet, only as a patch |
| 00:21:06 | donvito | Bagder: ok just to make sure i did this correctly, i decrypted the orig, resigned with dummy, encrypted with rhapsody |
| 00:21:07 | ]RowaN[ | thnx |
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| 00:21:41 | Bagder | donvito: you can take the original fw and just do 'mi4code sign mi4 newmi4 dummy' |
| 00:21:53 | donvito | Bagder: ok, will do |
| 00:22:05 | Bagder | it should only modify 160 bits x 2 in the mi4 header |
| 00:22:18 | donvito | Bagder: ok |
| 00:22:35 | Llorean | scorche: You here? |
| 00:22:53 | scorche | i am |
| 00:23:25 | Llorean | See my post in response to the guy in the Hardware forum that you were upset with, I think you'll find it a little more favorable when you see what the actual intent with a wiki page was. |
| 00:23:35 | scorche | alright |
| 00:23:37 | Llorean | Though, maybe not, I can't predict the future. |
| 00:23:45 | scorche | did he PM you before posting it or something? |
| 00:23:48 | Llorean | Yeah |
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| 00:24:10 | Llorean | We talked about it a little in advance, he hadn't thought of a wiki page, and didn't really clarify on what I'd suggested to him in regard to one. |
| 00:25:14 | Bagder | markun and petur, PM me your gmail-address for the GSoC application |
| 00:25:30 | donvito | Bagder: ok, well now we know that it doesn't work anymore |
| 00:25:50 | Bagder | I was afraid that was the case |
| 00:26:05 | Bagder | it means we need to step up a bit |
| 00:26:35 | Llorean | Bagder: Do you think this might be something Sandisk may actually be willing to help with? |
| 00:26:49 | Bagder | no |
| 00:27:04 | Bagder | this is a deliberate "fixing" of the loading process |
| 00:27:09 | donvito | Bagder: exaclty |
| 00:27:14 | donvito | Bagder: bastards :] |
| 00:27:18 | scorche | Llorean: replied |
| 00:27:34 | Bagder | it might very well be Real trying harder to protect their Rhapsody stuff |
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| 00:27:48 | donvito | Bagder: well, any tricks up your sleeve, you'd like me to try? or any ideas? |
| 00:28:14 | Llorean | scorche: Glad you like it a little better when phrased properly. |
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| 00:28:34 | preglow | Bagder: so you can add mentors even after tomorrow? |
| 00:29:02 | Bagder | preglow: yes, there are some application notes saying it is possible to add more even after the initial application |
| 00:29:49 | Bagder | donvito: well, the next step would be a bit risky... |
| 00:29:59 | preglow | at least we have a couple of worthwhile projects |
| 00:30:06 | donvito | Bagder: ok, what would it include? |
| 00:30:11 | Bagder | donvito: and it would be to try to replace your BL |
| 00:30:18 | donvito | Bagder: i see... |
| 00:30:24 | donvito | Bagder: thats what i figured |
| 00:30:26 | Bagder | using the one I have on the site |
| 00:30:36 | donvito | Bagder: link? |
| 00:30:44 | Bagder | but you'd need to modify something in it to know that the new one is in place |
| 00:30:47 | Bagder | hango n |
| 00:30:50 | donvito | Bagder: or you mean the bootloader.. pp5022.mi4 |
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| 00:31:03 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200/BL_SD_boardSupportSD.btl |
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| 00:31:37 | donvito | Bagder: would that even work? being a e200 and all... |
| 00:31:38 | Bagder | that is the assumed name we believe they use for the BL on the R models |
| 00:31:59 | donvito | Bagder: ok |
| 00:32:05 | Bagder | that's the R model BL, just in the e200 directory |
| 00:32:34 | donvito | Bagder: ic ic, the one off of the mi4code page |
| 00:32:56 | Bagder | yeps |
| 00:33:04 | donvito | Bagder: ok, well what would i need to do, hex edit something? |
| 00:33:35 | Bagder | yes, figure out string that you can see, like the recovery mode string or something and patch it with a hex editor |
| 00:33:49 | Bagder | replace a single letter or similar |
| 00:34:03 | donvito | Bagder: would that allow the dummy sig to work? |
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| 00:34:26 | Bagder | well, the first step would only be to verify that we in fact can replace the BL this way |
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| 00:34:36 | donvito | Bagder: ok |
| 00:34:48 | donvito | Bagder: can i do that in recovery mode? |
| 00:35:11 | Bagder | yes, supposedly |
| 00:35:15 | * | Llorean sometimes wants to tell people that skipped section 2.2.2 "Yes, your iPod is dead" just to be spiteful. |
| 00:35:18 | * | Llorean is a bad person. |
| 00:35:43 | * | scorche would rather tell them that their ipod is dead and to send it to me because i recycle them |
| 00:35:51 | donvito | Bagder: so just put the bl on the 16mb format and reboot / |
| 00:35:53 | donvito | Bagder: ?* |
| 00:35:58 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:35:59 | petur | Llorean: and then they come and tell they tossed it out of the window :) |
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| 00:36:12 | Bagder | donvito: and hold both your thumbs ;-) |
| 00:36:22 | Bagder | cross fingers even |
| 00:36:30 | donvito | Bagder: hmmmph, lol. ok well here goes... |
| 00:36:31 | Bagder | oh well, those sayings... |
| 00:36:35 | donvito | Bagder: haha |
| 00:36:39 | donvito | Bagder: i think ill try it |
| 00:36:58 | donvito | Bagder: would there be possibilities of unbricking, with e200 tool or something, in case |
| 00:37:08 | Bagder | hopefully, yes |
| 00:37:34 | Bagder | I'm quite sure the e200tool can recover the BL |
| 00:37:41 | Bagder | even on the R models |
| 00:37:55 | donvito | Bagder: ok, so just put the BL_SD_boardSupport.btl on the sansa or on the recovery drive? |
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| 00:38:13 | donvito | Bagder: like does it need to be in recovery mode or will it work in normal mode |
| 00:38:23 | Bagder | it works in both modes |
| 00:38:26 | donvito | Bagder: k |
| 00:38:29 | donvito | Bagder: ill try it |
| 00:38:34 | Bagder | at least the "normal" e200 ones do |
| 00:39:32 | donvito | Bagder: /me is crossing fingers... |
| 00:39:49 | linuxstb | Are there any known differences between the e250/260/270/280 apart from size of the flash? |
| 00:40:01 | Bagder | no |
| 00:40:21 | donvito | Bagder: ..umm ok heres what happened... it said upgrading fw, then went back the the menu, but if i try to do anything the "locked" icon shows up.. |
| 00:40:22 | Bagder | linuxstb: only US/euro models having or not having the radio chip |
| 00:40:44 | dan_a_ | donvito: Have you tried turning locked on and off? |
| 00:40:45 | donvito | Bagder: nvm now it works, but it didnt reboot itself, should i reboot? |
| 00:41:06 | Bagder | donvito: did you hexedit it? |
| 00:41:20 | donvito | Bagder: no this was just plain, just to see if it worked |
| 00:41:25 | Bagder | ah, ok |
| 00:41:41 | donvito | Bagder: reboot? |
| 00:41:44 | Bagder | yeah, you should probably reboot an extra time just to make sure it still boots |
| 00:41:54 | donvito | Bagder: k |
| 00:42:11 | donvito | Bagder: boots just fine :] |
| 00:42:29 | Bagder | ok, fine. |
| 00:42:42 | Bagder | then you need to make sure this actually upgrades to the new BL |
| 00:43:01 | donvito | Bagder: ok.. |
| 00:43:18 | donvito | Bagder: how? |
| 00:43:22 | donvito | Bagder: im sorry |
| 00:43:25 | donvito | Bagder: haha |
| 00:44:01 | Bagder | there's a string saying "Welcome to Recovery Mode" in the BL image |
| 00:44:24 | Bagder | change a letter in that string to something else |
| 00:44:34 | donvito | Bagder: really? thats it?? |
| 00:44:43 | donvito | Bagder: ooooo |
| 00:44:50 | donvito | Bagder: ic what you mean, to test it |
| 00:44:55 | Bagder | yes, well that's just an easy way to detect that your new BL is the one that runs |
| 00:45:03 | donvito | Bagder: roger that, very clever |
| 00:45:06 | donvito | Bagder: ok ill do that |
| 00:45:29 | preglow | dan_a_: pp5024 sound chip doesn't have treble/bass? |
| 00:45:43 | Bagder | preglow: nope, doesn't look like it |
| 00:45:53 | preglow | just had a look at the config, yeah |
| 00:45:56 | preglow | there aren't |
| 00:46:07 | preglow | there's still the 1.5 db volume increment problem |
| 00:46:19 | preglow | i've got the patch to fix it to be possible, but i wonder how to handle it in wps |
| 00:46:21 | jhMikeS | preglow: then your efforts were well timed, no doubt |
| 00:46:39 | preglow | assume there's room for a ".x" as well? |
| 00:46:42 | nls | preglow: force 3db steps :-P |
| 00:46:43 | preglow | or just trunc |
| 00:46:47 | preglow | nls: hah |
| 00:47:18 | preglow | jhMikeS: i wish there was a good solution to the bloody eq shifter wrap problem :/// |
| 00:47:19 | preglow | it's driving me nuts |
| 00:47:24 | jhMikeS | hrph |
| 00:47:57 | jhMikeS | the shame is there's not without both int and frac modes even for emac |
| 00:48:00 | preglow | perhaps i should just go for the easy route and add another couple of int bits in the output format :/ |
| 00:48:09 | donvito | Bagder: ok trying now... |
| 00:48:11 | jhMikeS | you don't think one more is enough? |
| 00:48:21 | * | Bagder holds his breath |
| 00:48:26 | preglow | jhMikeS: well, we could scale the freq coefs to not require shifting, but then we'd need another emac based gain another place too, which would mean slowdown |
| 00:48:30 | * | donvito does the same |
| 00:48:40 | preglow | jhMikeS: s/freq/eq/ |
| 00:49:07 | jhMikeS | or just limit the dsp bits down couple in general ? |
| 00:49:23 | donvito | Bagder: hmm well it didnt upgrade it |
| 00:49:32 | donvito | Bagder: would i maybe need to do it in recovery mode |
| 00:49:35 | jhMikeS | could it have come about when shoving it up to 28? |
| 00:49:59 | preglow | jhMikeS: yeah, and that'll apply for all platforms too |
| 00:50:12 | jhMikeS | it's not like 26 is gonna make for crummy sound :) |
| 00:50:16 | preglow | heh |
| 00:50:18 | preglow | no |
| 00:50:24 | preglow | but 27 might be enough too |
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| 00:50:49 | preglow | 24 db gain = a bit less than 16x gain, afaik |
| 00:50:51 | jhMikeS | have you actually tested that an overflow occurs in the shifter? |
| 00:50:56 | preglow | which means four int bits should suffice |
| 00:51:03 | preglow | jhMikeS: there is no other explanation |
| 00:51:08 | preglow | not that i can think of |
| 00:51:44 | jhMikeS | I'd still just trap if to see if it _actually_ happens before changin everything around ... |
| 00:51:58 | preglow | i will once i can be bothered to deal with it anyway |
| 00:52:23 | Bagder | "Thank you for signing up your organization with the Google Summer of Code." |
| 00:52:57 | dan_a_ | Bagder: Yay! |
| 00:53:01 | * | Llorean cheers |
| 00:53:11 | jhMikeS | I calculate the 4 bits = 24.082399653118495617099111577959 db |
| 00:53:20 | preglow | yeah, it's _JUST_ enough |
| 00:53:29 | preglow | if the audio doesn't exceed limits |
| 00:53:48 | jhMikeS | Guess that might fudge a sample here and there |
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| 00:53:55 | Stalwart | is there a rss feed for commit log? |
| 00:53:56 | preglow | but another bit will mean we're completely safe |
| 00:54:22 | donvito | Bagder: should i try upgrading the bl in recovery mode? |
| 00:54:32 | jhMikeS | 30 odd db yeah |
| 00:54:35 | preglow | still not enough to handle the people who like to overlay to 24 db peaking filters, but i'll just allow them to go ahead and enjoy the overflow |
| 00:54:36 | Bagder | donvito: yes, try that |
| 00:54:48 | Bagder | Stalwart: get the rss feed for the mailing list off gmane.org |
| 00:54:49 | preglow | s/to/two/ |
| 00:54:50 | donvito | Bagder: ok, thanks, and congrats on the soc! |
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| 00:55:15 | preglow | doesn't mean we're accepted yet, does it? |
| 00:55:19 | Bagder | no |
| 00:55:35 | Bagder | just that our application was received |
| 00:55:39 | Llorean | Stalwart: http://rss.gmane.org/gmane.comp.systems.archos.rockbox.cvs |
| 00:55:42 | jhMikeS | anything that would overflow the 30db overhead would have to sound pretty awful |
| 00:55:42 | linuxstb | Bagder: Was that just an expression of interest, or did you need to include a list of projects? |
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| 00:56:13 | donvito | Bagder: didn't upgrade...? |
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| 00:56:22 | Bagder | linuxstb: I supplied the URL to our soc page |
| 00:56:23 | jhMikeS | I'm guessing they put all the filters down on the bass frequencies and crank em up? |
| 00:56:36 | Bagder | donvito: now that is annoying... |
| 00:56:45 | donvito | Bagder: yea i know |
| 00:57:19 | donvito | Bagder: is that how it works on the e200s |
| 00:57:28 | Stalwart | ghm, that feed isn't pretty =\ |
| 00:57:34 | Bagder | donvito: yes, basically |
| 00:57:40 | donvito | Bagder: hmm... |
| 00:57:44 | Stalwart | i'll stick with changelist on website |
| 00:57:56 | Bagder | donvito: I'll go to sleep now, but I'll mail our hero MrH and see if he has any clever ideas on how to proceed |
| 00:58:13 | donvito | Bagder: ok, thanks for your help. :] |
| 00:58:52 | Llorean | Stalwart: For some reason the feed doesn't seem to format properly, it lacks line endings in any feed reader I view it with. |
| 00:59:09 | Llorean | Meanwhile if you view it on their page, it's fine. |
| 00:59:11 | jhMikeS | preglow: so what are the final readings on the asm resampling for arm? |
| 00:59:25 | Bagder | there are some svn2rss converters "out there" so someone could setup such a service at will |
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| 01:00:04 | preglow | jhMikeS: couldn't be bothered to test much, 1-2% difference on some 96khz flacs for downsampling, 2-3% upsampling for some not-extremely-hard spcs |
| 01:00:08 | jhMikeS | preglow: ...and I see you stuck with the silly label names :P. I was gonna kill that in the next round. |
| 01:00:21 | donvito | Bagder: one more thing real quick, would there be a way for me to contact MrH ? |
| 01:00:26 | preglow | jhMikeS: yeah, again, couldn't be bothered. i'll fix when i touch it up some time |
| 01:01:09 | Bagder | donvito: not unless he wants to, but I can ask him |
| 01:01:21 | donvito | Bagder: thats fine by me, my email is jake.alstad@gmail.com |
| 01:01:37 | donvito | Bagder: again thanks a lot, i hope the next time we talk, ill be running rockbox :] |
| 01:01:40 | jhMikeS | does arm benefit at all from it's movem equivalent for tranferring memory? |
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| 01:02:27 | preglow | well, it does save on cycles |
| 01:02:33 | preglow | but i don't know if it bursts |
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| 01:03:16 | donvito | Bagder: im really sorry one final question, then i promise im done bothering you, would it possibly be a .rom file? |
| 01:03:22 | donvito | Bagder: like rename it to that? |
| 01:03:29 | Bagder | you can try that |
| 01:03:32 | dan_a_ | MrH reminds me of The A-Team |
| 01:03:34 | donvito | Bagder: ok thanks |
| 01:04:20 | Bagder | donvito: but the fact that it was recognized with the .btl extension the first time... |
| 01:04:47 | Bagder | of course, testing with .rom would at least rule out that |
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| 01:05:33 | donvito | Bagder: yes |
| 01:05:39 | jhMikeS | suppose I'll be up to speed with ARM when something forces me to be as is the usual story |
| 01:06:42 | vertz | Hi, is there a way to scroll faster? |
| 01:07:13 | linuxstb | Is anyone else having trouble accessing http://download.rockbox.org/ ? |
| 01:07:25 | dan_a_ | vertz: Spin the scrollwheel faster? Press the buttons harder? |
| 01:07:54 | jhMikeS | I feel it coming with getting some gigabeat stuff working right |
| 01:08:03 | dan_a_ | vertz: What kind of player do you have? |
| 01:08:22 | vertz | ipod video |
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| 01:08:38 | vertz | it want it even faster, takes forever to scroll thru my mp3s |
| 01:08:59 | dan_a_ | I think that there are some patches in the tracker to improve scroll speed |
| 01:09:05 | JdGordon | vertz: what player have you got? |
| 01:09:10 | Llorean | dan_a_: I think they're all way out of sync though. |
| 01:09:13 | vertz | ipod video |
| 01:09:21 | JdGordon | can you build your own? |
| 01:09:27 | JdGordon | compile i mean |
| 01:09:28 | Bagder | I believe Slasheri has ipod video scrolling works in his pipe |
| 01:09:37 | vertz | JdGordon: sure |
| 01:09:47 | * | JdGordon put a scroll accel patch on last night that needs testing |
| 01:10:10 | vertz | really? |
| 01:10:13 | JdGordon | vertz: can you try http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6798 and tell me if audio freezes while scroolling |
| 01:10:20 | vertz | ok |
| 01:10:23 | JdGordon | cheers |
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| 01:18:54 | preglow | jhMikeS: forces you to? the gigabeat could run rockbox ported to interpreted basic and you still wouldn't notice :> |
| 01:19:49 | linuxstb | Any gigabeat people know why there are 4 bootloaders available for download (2 in the wiki, 2 on download.rockbox.org), and which is the recommended version? |
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| 01:20:33 | Llorean | linuxstb: I used the gbsystem.zip (removes original firmware, for faster boot times) and bootloader.zip from the wiki page. |
| 01:20:44 | Llorean | linuxstb: I honestly have no clue what's the newest, I just know that is 'working' |
| 01:21:26 | Llorean | You only need the bootloader.zip, the GBSYSTEM breaks dual boot to shave 2 or 3 seconds off the boot time, but as far as I'm aware, dual boot offers nothing. |
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| 01:21:58 | linuxstb | A new one seems to have been added to the wiki yesterday (11 March)... I thought the general concensus was that bootloaders shouldn't be in the wiki. |
| 01:22:22 | vertz | JdGordon: how do i apply the patch? |
| 01:22:39 | JdGordon | patch -p0 < the_patch |
| 01:22:57 | Llorean | linuxstb: That's my opinion of it. The bootloader.zip is, I _think_ the bootloader at download.rockbox.org with the bootsplash.raw file included. |
| 01:23:01 | vertz | ah |
| 01:23:21 | Llorean | But really, we should just have a known good one at the official download site. |
| 01:25:00 | vertz | JdGordon: uhm, where should i put when i run it? |
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| 01:25:17 | JdGordon | ? |
| 01:26:03 | DaggyDun | i'm taking a whack at improving mpegplayer. If i somehow(dont know how) apply a circular buffer the plugin would that keep the video playback continuous? |
| 01:26:30 | vertz | JdGordon: can't find file to patch at input line 5 |
| 01:26:36 | linuxstb | DaggyDun: Yes, that's the general idea. |
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| 01:28:15 | DaggyDun | linuxstb: Thanks, now i know ehat i have to do. Just hav to figure out how :) |
| 01:28:33 | DaggyDun | *what |
| 01:28:58 | JdGordon | vertz: which folder are you runnig patc from? |
| 01:29:20 | vertz | i think i tried from all hehe |
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| 01:32:12 | JdGordon | ok, hang on ll build one for you |
| 01:32:22 | vertz | ok :) |
| 01:32:47 | JdGordon | hopefully without losing my other chanes from last night :p |
| 01:33:24 | vertz | hehe |
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| 01:34:20 | JdGordon | vertz: jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/rockbox.ipod">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/rockbox.ipod |
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| 01:34:43 | jhMikeS | preglow: all execution time must vanish :) |
| 01:34:50 | JdGordon | get audio playing, then scroll through your longest list non-stop and tell me if it pauses the music at all |
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| 01:35:06 | jhMikeS | besides I think the pcm driver stuff needs shaping up |
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| 01:35:39 | vertz | JdGordon: alright, lets see |
| 01:37:18 | preglow | sleep time |
| 01:37:37 | jhMikeS | goodnitus |
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| 01:39:23 | eigenman | Hi, I'm trying to install rockbox on my nano, however ipodpatcher can't find my nano. |
| 01:39:37 | DaggyDun | I have an idea as to what code i want to type for the circular buffer for mpegplayer but i have no idea where to put it. Can anyone help me? |
| 01:40:01 | JdGordon | apps/plugins/mpegplayer |
| 01:40:05 | vertz | JdGordon: no pauses or skips, but its still not scrolling fast enough hehe |
| 01:40:15 | JdGordon | vertz: how long is the list? |
| 01:40:23 | eigenman | I'm using linux gentoo, and the nano is formatted recently by itune6 to a windows format. |
| 01:40:32 | vertz | JdGordon: VERY long |
| 01:40:45 | eigenman | Is this the appropriate to seek help? |
| 01:40:49 | JdGordon | after 10s of scrolling it skips 20odd items each time... i can get through 5000+ tracks in about 20s now instead of 3 min |
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| 01:41:36 | JdGordon | I imagine scrolling on the ipods isnt as easy tho because you have to keep moving your fingure |
| 01:41:36 | vertz | JdGordon: uhm. then i must have done something wrong |
| 01:41:37 | Llorean | vertz: Have you considered actually organizing your music instead of viewing it all as one single long list, then? |
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| 01:41:52 | linuxstb | eigenman: Are you running ipodpatcher as root? |
| 01:41:56 | eigenman | yes |
| 01:42:01 | vertz | Llorean: yeah, but fixing all id3tag is a pain in the ass |
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| 01:42:20 | linuxstb | eigenman: Have you done anything else to it after itunes 6 restored it? |
| 01:42:27 | eigenman | It give the error : No ipods found. |
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| 01:42:34 | linuxstb | (or even before itunes 6 restored it...) |
| 01:42:45 | eigenman | I've downloaded few musics to it using gtkgnutella. |
| 01:43:08 | eigenman | Before itunes 6 restored it, I accidently deleted everything on it. |
| 01:43:13 | JdGordon | Llorean: its not about organisation... use the db and youll see massive lists... |
| 01:43:37 | JdGordon | the long list i test with the the tracks filter which shows every song on the player |
| 01:43:42 | eigenman | (Ran a dd command that destroyed the partition table) |
| 01:44:31 | linuxstb | eigenman: That's most likely the problem - try restoring an MBR from here (assuming there is one for your Nano) - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 01:44:43 | Llorean | JdGordon: Yeah, but I was suggesting it as a way to avoid the long lists, since scrolling is probably going to be imperfect for a little while yet. |
| 01:44:57 | Llorean | JdGordon: In all truth, there's rarely a reason to enter the "All Tracks" list. |
| 01:45:08 | JdGordon | of course :) |
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| 01:45:55 | vertz | JdGordon: wtf did i do wrong? hehe |
| 01:46:02 | vertz | fast scroll would be so nice |
| 01:46:06 | vertz | i dream about it every night |
| 01:46:09 | vertz | and every day |
| 01:46:22 | vertz | every time i close my eyes hehe |
| 01:46:22 | DaggyDun | Does anyone know what is the size of the sansa's buffer? |
| 01:46:22 | eigenman | Thanks. I will try that. |
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| 01:46:48 | eigenman | I'm backing up my files now. |
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| 01:47:03 | linuxstb | eigenman: ipodpatcher checks for some magic strings in the MBR that are present only on ipods - so if your MBR isn't the original one, then that check will fail. |
| 01:47:30 | * | linuxstb should probably relax that check - the other checks should be good enough. |
| 01:47:44 | Llorean | DaggyDun: The Sansa has, I believe, 32mb of RAM total. |
| 01:47:54 | eigenman | I figured that much, however I just assumed that itunes fixes the mbr as well. |
| 01:48:10 | linuxstb | No, I don't think itunes does. |
| 01:48:28 | linuxstb | At least, it may restore the partition layout, but not the other contents. |
| 01:48:44 | eigenman | If this works, that is a good support for your theory. :) |
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| 01:51:31 | jhMikeS | scrollwheel scrolling seems to load up two queues...that'll bring it to its knees if it's still that way |
| 01:52:37 | vertz | JdGordon: any idea why it didnt work at all? |
| 01:55:29 | jhMikeS | humor me, which iPod? |
| 01:56:22 | vertz | video |
| 01:58:17 | Llorean | JdGordon: Your patch doesn't seem to be effective on iPods. Or at least my Nano, either. |
| 01:58:18 | jhMikeS | if button-clickwheel.c is the one used it looks to me like it'll stuff both the button queue and backlight queue with messages |
| 01:58:46 | linuxstb | I thought it checked the button queue, and only added more button events if the queue was empty? |
| 01:58:48 | JdGordon | bugger... that means its either a keymap problem, or a sucky ipod button driver :p |
| 01:58:54 | jhMikeS | The answer probably lies there |
| 01:59:20 | jhMikeS | but it calls backlight_on too all the time |
| 01:59:37 | * | vertz burst into tears |
| 01:59:57 | jhMikeS | The caption backlight option does the same and that brought the x5 to it's knees too |
| 01:59:58 | JdGordon | linuxstb: the ipod button driver does that? |
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| 02:00:18 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I believe so, at least in its current incarnation. |
| 02:00:24 | JdGordon | oh.. lame :p |
| 02:00:43 | JdGordon | thats hopefully what Slasheri is fixing then |
| 02:01:14 | linuxstb | Otherwise you would get the queue filling up with 100s of clickwheel events and a bad case of overscrolling... |
| 02:01:19 | jhMikeS | could be changed to do the backlight calls infrequently as wekk |
| 02:01:25 | jhMikeS | well |
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| 02:03:45 | JdGordon | hang on.. but I thought you could get BUTTON_SCROLLFWD|BUTTON_REPEAT ? |
| 02:06:13 | linuxstb | Yes, you can. |
| 02:06:55 | JdGordon | you just cant get it wtice in a row ? |
| 02:07:00 | JdGordon | twice* |
| 02:07:15 | jhMikeS | well...that's my thoughts anyway and one of the first things I'd attack if I had an iPod in hand |
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| 02:09:10 | jhMikeS | backlight_on is even called before queue_empty...hrm |
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| 02:10:54 | JdGordon | something to play with later this arvo maybe... /me gone |
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| 02:13:54 | ryanpg | ok, I think I'm going to need some hand holding here... I've been playing all songs in a directory just fine up till now, |
| 02:14:18 | ryanpg | but I want to start building "dynamic playlists", how do I insert a song into the queq |
| 02:14:33 | ryanpg | grr... queue |
| 02:14:38 | ryanpg | ?) |
| 02:14:53 | DaggyDun | can the entine elephants dream clip (43mb) from download.rockbox.com play on the sansa with the buffer filling up before it was finished??? |
| 02:15:45 | eigenman | linuxstb: Thanks, ipodpatcher now recognizes my nano. |
| 02:15:56 | linuxstb | DaggyDun: No, the buffer available to mpegplayer is around 28MB-29MB. |
| 02:16:14 | linuxstb | eigenman: Glad it's working for you. |
| 02:16:17 | ryanpg | each time I press select on a track in file view or database, I'm prompted to "erase dynamic playlist" and then if I say yes the song starts playing |
| 02:16:20 | Llorean | ryanpg: Have you tried simple searching the manual for "Insert" or "Queue"? |
| 02:16:32 | ryanpg | Llorean, hi again, yes |
| 02:16:39 | jhMikeS | probably about time to emac the heck out of mpegplayer :) |
| 02:16:47 | Llorean | ryanpg: Odd, because those both turn up usable results for me. |
| 02:16:59 | Llorean | ryanpg: Are you actually using the _search_ function of a PDF viewer? |
| 02:17:42 | DaggyDun | did some coding, now i hav to wait ten minutes before i can figured out if it will work :'( |
| 02:18:27 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: There's still mirak's old patch with Coldfire improvements to mpegplayer on flyspray that needs reviewing and cleaning up. Optimising the IRAM usage would seem to give significant gains, but now that libmad is linked with mpegplayer, there's big competition for IRAM... |
| 02:18:58 | linuxstb | DaggyDun: If I was you, I would just reduce the buffer size mpegplayer is using. |
| 02:19:07 | ryanpg | in fact I'm searching through section 4.4 Working with Playlists now |
| 02:19:40 | Llorean | ryanpg: That doesn't answer the question I asked you. Did you use a search function of a PDF viewer. It sounds like you're searching by eye, which means you can overlook things. |
| 02:19:53 | jhMikeS | I'm thinking for cf if the data is alignent a movem used, the difference will be negligeable. Burst transfers or parallel loads on colfire compete pretty well with it. |
| 02:20:10 | Llorean | ryanpg: I assure you, I am 100% certain that it is in the manual, and I am 100% certain that opening the manual PDF in a PDF viewer and searching for the word queue will give you a useful result. |
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| 02:21:23 | jhMikeS | one thing I don't think he ever took advantage of was just memcpy'ing small blocks to IRAM first |
| 02:21:38 | DaggyDun | linuxstb: how do i do that? i forgot to tell you that i learned c from an ebook yesterday, so i'm wandering in the dark here :) |
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| 02:23:30 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: does the video run on the main thread? |
| 02:24:11 | * | jhMikeS can't remember what does what now |
| 02:24:19 | linuxstb | DaggyDun: An easy way would be to increase the amount of memory allocated to libmpeg2 for its internal use - change the "2" in the line "#define LIBMPEG2BUFFER_SIZE (2*1024*1024)" to something like 20 - that will give 18MB more space to libmpeg2 (which it won't use), leaving a lot less for mpegplayer to use as a buffer. |
| 02:25:16 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: There are currently three threads - one for video, one for audio, and one (the main thread) which is intended to be for rebuffering. On PP targets, the video thread is on the COP, and audio on the main CPU. |
| 02:25:52 | linuxstb | Audio couldn't be run on the main thread, as the stack was too small - libmad is optimised to use all of its available stack (the codec stack is in IRAM). |
| 02:25:55 | jhMikeS | all stacks are IRAM? |
| 02:26:19 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 02:26:49 | linuxstb | 9KB for audio, 4KB for video. |
| 02:27:35 | linuxstb | Something that could be useful would be to steal the core codec thread's stack for use in mpegplayer - that's 9KB of IRAM currently unused whilst mpegplayer is running. |
| 02:27:40 | jhMikeS | But we have huge amounts of main stack in IRAM on cf...very handy for working buffers |
| 02:27:49 | jhMikeS | heh |
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| 02:28:39 | linuxstb | I also allocate a 4608 byte buffer for libmad on the main stack, so it's not completely unused. |
| 02:28:46 | jhMikeS | Could use the main thread for video and a spawned one for the buffering |
| 02:29:31 | jhMikeS | I'm just thinking the arrangement could change per target...whatever is best for it |
| 02:30:29 | linuxstb | Yes, it could. I've also thought about simplifying it to two threads, and interleave disk reading with audio decoding - as long as the PCM buffer never empties. |
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| 02:34:42 | jhMikeS | would be interesting to try adding stack stealing and switching though in a way that keeps things stable |
| 02:40:10 | * | linuxstb is waiting for a gigabeat to arrive in the post, so may regain interest in mpegplayer |
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| 03:07:01 | DaggyDun | mpegplayer is starting to pis me off now>:( |
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| 03:11:27 | digerati1338 | Hi |
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| 03:12:26 | digerati1338 | Is this where I need to come to get TWiki editing privledges? |
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| 03:13:43 | rotator | digerati1338: yes, what's your wiki name? |
| 03:13:48 | digerati1338 | MikeKasberg |
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| 03:14:51 | rotator | ok, you should have access now |
| 03:14:55 | digerati1338 | thanks |
| 03:14:59 | rotator | no problem |
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| 03:16:22 | Soap | JdGordon: how does FS #6798 work on the iPods? Does it just scroll through longs lists faster, or does it accelerate list scrolling (like FF/RW in the WPS) based upon how long you have been scrolling, or does it accelerate list scrolling based upon how fast you "spin" the iPod touchwheel? |
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| 03:20:09 | Llorean | Soap: It doesn't seem to work on iPods yet |
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| 03:21:37 | Soap | should I test on my 5th gen, or am I wasting effort? |
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| 03:23:29 | Llorean | Soap: Probably wasting effort. Doesn't work on my Nano, didn't work on someone else's 5G. I think it was decided it's because of how Rockbox prevents the scrollwheel from filling up the button queue. |
| 03:26:06 | Soap | After 4 days playing with the Gigabeat, I have come to the conclusion that Portrait mode makes for a more-efficient usage of screen real estate, and that the iPod scroll wheel beats the cross pad for navigation. IMHO. |
| 03:26:27 | Llorean | Soap: I love the pad for navigation personally, but that's because I like buttons. |
| 03:26:48 | Llorean | I'm not a fan of having to move my finger constantly while scrolling through a list or adjusting volume. |
| 03:26:58 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I'm thinking some problem come from the fact that backlight_on is called in a completely unfilter manner and just blasts the backlight queue with messages. Maybe you saw already :P |
| 03:27:40 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Ah, I didn't understand that you were talking on the same subject, didn't catch that. |
| 03:28:21 | jhMikeS | I did have a look to see where some problems may arise. The scrollwheel is not the only call that does that either. |
| 03:29:32 | jhMikeS | A filtered version of backlight_on would have use when using Caption Backlight as well |
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| 03:30:19 | Llorean | Does caption backlight call it multiple times? |
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| 03:30:42 | jhMikeS | Big time |
| 03:30:48 | Insectoid | Is voice disabled in latest svn? |
| 03:30:51 | jhMikeS | Actually caused audio skips on x5 |
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| 03:31:29 | jhMikeS | so my brining it up isn't really arbitrary but from a past experience |
| 03:31:34 | Llorean | Insectoid: No. |
| 03:32:01 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Ouch. Why does it call it more than say, once per backlight timeout period? |
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| 03:32:26 | Insectoid | Strangely, I'll load my english.voice file into the langs directory, disconnect the Ipod and receive no speech. When I reconnect it, the english.voice has vanished from the directory. |
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| 03:33:20 | Insectoid | Odd. It happened thrice, then it started working. |
| 03:33:25 | Llorean | Insectoid: Did you eject properly? |
| 03:33:32 | jhMikeS | Llorean: *shrug* It just calls it repeatedly during the time the backlight should be on without mercy |
| 03:33:42 | Llorean | jhMikeS: That's kinda horrible, I think. |
| 03:33:58 | Insectoid | I had the Ipod optimized for speed and data caching off, that's probably what shot things |
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| 03:34:14 | jhMikeS | Was thinking I'd add the function maybe and the scrollwheel drivers could use it |
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| 03:34:24 | Llorean | On a related note, I wouldn't object to having the "Caption Backlight" option be renamed to "Additional Battery Drainer" so that maybe we don't get people complaining about their battery life while using it. :-P |
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| 03:34:45 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Seems like a good idea. |
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| 03:35:25 | jhMikeS | I think the name "Caption Backlight" gives no hint to what the heck it does. I never knew till somehow I stumbled on it. (I don't read manuals too much) |
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| 03:36:33 | Llorean | Yeah, I had to look it up. |
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| 03:36:49 | Llorean | And then my response was "Well yeah, if you have a 10 second caption backlight it's definitely gonna hurt your battery life" |
| 03:37:37 | jhMikeS | I discovered it (and the queue overhead) when adding the hold switch options. |
| 03:38:17 | Llorean | Ah |
| 03:41:07 | jhMikeS | Is popping the bl once for a few seconds every 3-5 minutes gonna really kill the batter _that_ badly? |
| 03:42:37 | Llorean | Keeping the backlight on for like, 20 seconds every song hurts it a lot for the iPods. |
| 03:43:11 | Llorean | That's what the example that comes most to mind was, a 10 second caption backlight set, so 20 seconds total per song of backlight time. |
| 03:43:22 | jhMikeS | ah...I've run my x5 (when the battery was ok) with backlight on almost continously on 5-6 hr road trips and harly been drained at all (not an L either). |
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| 03:43:42 | Llorean | The iPods have very low mAH batteries. I think the Nano is like, 340 |
| 03:43:51 | jhMikeS | ouch... |
| 03:44:05 | Llorean | The additional drain from the backlight provides a statistically very significant increase in power drain, even with our already bad drain. |
| 03:44:10 | jhMikeS | no disk though, right? |
| 03:44:16 | Llorean | No disk on the Nano at least. |
| 03:44:36 | jhMikeS | database updates in the background _kill_ the battery on anything |
| 03:44:41 | Soap | one second and I will have the numbers to estimate the hit. |
| 03:44:42 | jhMikeS | with a hd |
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| 03:44:56 | Llorean | On the iPod Photo, the battery is apparently 700mAH |
| 03:46:03 | Llorean | Ah, supposedly the 60/80gb iPods DO have a bigger battery |
| 03:46:06 | jhMikeS | For apple I guess slim design must take a back seat to important stuff |
| 03:46:18 | Llorean | This page says the 30 is 400mAh, and the 60/80 is 600mAh. |
| 03:46:21 | Llorean | http://ipodbatteryfaq.com/ipodbatteryandpower.html |
| 03:47:02 | jhMikeS | But you've got x5 with 950/2300, H120 with like 1100, and Gigabeat with 1300 or about that so what's with them? |
| 03:47:10 | Llorean | H120 is 1300 |
| 03:47:42 | Llorean | Well, the only place I know the backlight is really bad is the Nano. |
| 03:47:49 | Llorean | I can watch my battery meter count down with the backlight on. |
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| 03:48:30 | jhMikeS | Guess the original iPod had quite a whopper of a batt but was a big drainer of it |
| 03:48:42 | Llorean | That's what it looks like. |
| 03:48:49 | Llorean | From 1230mAh down to 400/600 |
| 03:49:17 | Soap | while runtime has gone up. |
| 03:49:23 | Llorean | Indeed |
| 03:49:54 | jhMikeS | though the reported retailos running times for music seem pretty decent |
| 03:50:36 | jhMikeS | Llorean: no dimming? |
| 03:51:29 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I'm not even sure if we have dimming set up the Nano yet, do we? |
| 03:51:44 | jhMikeS | Couldn't say...would be a good think it sounds like |
| 03:52:00 | Llorean | Probably |
| 03:52:16 | Llorean | Generally speaking, I don't even use the backlight. |
| 03:52:23 | jhMikeS | they have HAVE_BACKLIGHT_PWM_FADING |
| 03:52:26 | Llorean | With a black and white theme, the screen's pretty readable without it (about as readable as the H120) |
| 03:53:59 | jhMikeS | the config says the batt is 1300 though...the site 300 ?!? |
| 03:54:44 | Llorean | Most of the iPods don't have a proper battery capacity in their config. |
| 03:54:51 | Llorean | Nobody's changed them, I don't think, ever. |
| 03:55:52 | jhMikeS | Almost like the H120 number is just stuck there |
| 03:57:47 | Llorean | Possibly it was originally copied from the H120 config? |
| 03:58:34 | jhMikeS | It shows the "port controlled" comment which seems to make the rounds |
| 03:59:21 | Soap | Apple OS consumes 4x the power with backlight on as it does with backlight off. |
| 03:59:29 | Llorean | Soap: Ouch. |
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| 03:59:43 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Is there an origin to that comment? |
| 03:59:46 | jhMikeS | I guess that just means the electronics are pretty efficient |
| 03:59:56 | Soap | Rockbox OS consumes 3x the non-boosted power with BL on as it does off. 2X the boosted power with BL on as it does off. |
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| 04:00:30 | jhMikeS | Llorean: Best I can tell it's the H100 series. That was the first SWCODEC? |
| 04:00:43 | safetydan | jhMikeS, yes I believe it was |
| 04:00:45 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Yes. |
| 04:01:37 | jhMikeS | Yeah, the archos models share different one it looks like |
| 04:02:12 | Soap | MP3 = ~50% boost = 2.5x 4 minute songs =15 songs per hour = 150 seconds per hour of backlight = 225 seconds of equivelent power draw per hour. |
| 04:02:22 | Soap | Not bad, every hour costs you 64 minutes. |
| 04:02:23 | jhMikeS | like archaeology |
| 04:02:56 | Soap | *seconds of _additional_ equivelent power draw |
| 04:03:07 | Soap | (due to caption backlight) |
| 04:03:35 | Llorean | Soap: 8 minutes in the case I was talking of, since a 10 second caption actually means 20 seconds of backlight per song. |
| 04:03:47 | jhMikeS | Not likely backlights will get more efficient either |
| 04:03:49 | Soap | ahh - even worse |
| 04:03:56 | Llorean | Soap: Which costs you about an hour to an hour and a half of total battery time on the Nano. |
| 04:03:59 | Soap | 13% wastage |
| 04:04:15 | Soap | now we're talking real money. |
| 04:04:22 | Llorean | Enough to really ruin a battery bench |
| 04:04:47 | jhMikeS | IF you can do PWM fading how could brightness not be an option? <= odd |
| 04:05:04 | Soap | there is a brightness patch. |
| 04:05:43 | Soap | Is there any reason to be concerned for the backlight's longevity switching it on and off so fast? |
| 04:06:19 | jhMikeS | Since perceived brighness is logarithmic, you could save mounds of backlight mAhs without a serious dimming |
| 04:06:51 | jhMikeS | It's not hardware PWM? |
| 04:06:59 | Llorean | I think it's hardware. |
| 04:07:16 | Llorean | The 1GB Nanos actually have a dimmed backlight in the stock firmware. |
| 04:07:18 | Soap | I thought I had read that varied by target. |
| 04:07:30 | Soap | (hardware PWM) |
| 04:07:30 | jhMikeS | It's a EL panel? |
| 04:07:31 | Llorean | Soap: I meant in the context of iPods. |
| 04:07:41 | * | Llorean isn't _sure_ though |
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| 04:08:27 | jhMikeS | One thing with the voltage regulator that run those is the off time should not drop below a certain amount of the regulator could be damaged |
| 04:09:03 | jhMikeS | But dimming an EL panel will extend the life |
| 04:09:21 | Llorean | Oddly enough, I think the 1GB Nanos just have a dimmer backlight, since they don't run a different firmware or advertise improved battery life. But I'm not sure. |
| 04:11:15 | Soap | what about a LED backlighting system? |
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| 04:12:11 | jhMikeS | LED...maybe but think those tend to use switched capacitors and not inductors which is safer |
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| 04:12:37 | jhMikeS | For life...probably not as critical |
| 04:12:45 | Soap | just curious, thanks. |
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| 04:14:57 | saratoga | so when are we getting a Sansa Install Forum? |
| 04:15:14 | saratoga | be a nice place to put all those "halp i deleted my firmware" threads |
| 04:15:44 | Soap | M5 also needs to be added to the Cowon - Installation/Removal forum's subtitle. |
| 04:16:18 | Soap | Maybe the addition of a "Doom and Rockbox" forum. |
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| 04:16:48 | Soap | Where nobody with a badge is allowed to post, and we see what theories and pratices evolve. |
| 04:16:58 | Llorean | Soap: An interesting social experiment. |
| 04:17:01 | Llorean | saratoga: Hit Refresh. |
| 04:17:03 | Soap | (ment to say "Doom and Rockboy") |
| 04:17:56 | Soap | There can be a "Posting In This Forum" post, with answers to the most commonly asked questions, and it won't stop a single post. |
| 04:18:47 | jhMikeS | How bout an initiation article with a quiz that you must get a certain score on before allowing you to proceed? |
| 04:19:19 | jhMikeS | And not always the same quiz so no cheating |
| 04:19:23 | Llorean | jhMikeS: "In the manual, which sections are essential for installing Rockbox: 2.2.2, 2.2.3, All of the above" |
| 04:19:37 | EbErT | is it really that bad? |
| 04:19:46 | saratoga | haha |
| 04:19:52 | EbErT | could do a fun rockbox trivia bot |
| 04:20:02 | * | jhMikeS doesn't even know that and would probably fail it |
| 04:20:21 | Llorean | jhMikeS: It's an open book quiz. :-P |
| 04:20:54 | jhMikeS | I just say: whatever the heck installation instruction are linked to your player's model |
| 04:20:54 | Llorean | jhMikeS: The main problem is that people always skip 2.2.2, and just do 2.2.3 (2.2.2 is "Unzip rockbox.zip to the device", 2.2.3 is "Install the bootloader") |
| 04:21:17 | Llorean | They're cleverly titled "Installing the Firmware" and "Installing the Bootloader" |
| 04:21:27 | Llorean | Apparently "Installing the Firmware" isn't an obvious enough clue. |
| 04:21:44 | jhMikeS | How about: "you must follow these step or else rockbox will not function" |
| 04:22:15 | Llorean | EbErT: Relatively frequently, people ask about installing Doom, and it turns out they put the files in the wrong folder because they thought our instructions weren't literal in saying "Make this folder, and put the files in it" |
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| 04:22:40 | EbErT | 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 |
| 04:22:52 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I seriously want to start telling people who get the missing Rockbox.ipod file "Your iPod will never work again, but I'll give you $50 for it so that we can use it for experimentation" |
| 04:23:01 | jhMikeS | so they overinterpret it to mean it talks only metaphorically :) |
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| 04:23:11 | EbErT | sry bout that, put a book on the key && |
| 04:23:13 | jhMikeS | hehe |
| 04:23:21 | jhMikeS | send a few my way |
| 04:23:22 | Soap | you know, shipping empty folders for wads and pacman roms would save some hassle, and cost little. |
| 04:23:38 | Llorean | AUGH. |
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| 04:23:41 | * | Llorean beats his head on the table. |
| 04:23:46 | * | Llorean burns down the forums. |
| 04:23:52 | jhMikeS | should just have a games folder for such things |
| 04:24:09 | jhMikeS | or did we get one? |
| 04:24:13 | EbErT | you talking mostly about questions on forums? i can see that. i hardly use those pain in the arses |
| 04:24:18 | jhMikeS | not that I really pay alot of attention to that |
| 04:24:28 | Llorean | Soap: If you extract the extras doom wads file to your iPod, it puts them in the right folder for you. |
| 04:24:37 | Llorean | Soap: /.rockbox/doom is the path in the zip for the files. |
| 04:24:59 | jhMikeS | should be ./rockbox/games/doom|pacman|etc. |
| 04:25:06 | Llorean | EbErT: They're fairly common in here too. |
| 04:25:08 | Soap | I guess I should play with things like that, even though I don't use them. |
| 04:25:14 | Webgiest | toanyone: In order to take advantage of co-proc, should have to make a current Bootloader? Am I correct in asuming the co-proc needs to be initalized? sansa e2xx |
| 04:25:38 | Llorean | Webgiest: The official one is suitable. |
| 04:25:40 | EbErT | you wont play with doom long before your battery is gone |
| 04:25:53 | Webgiest | Thankyou somuch bye |
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| 04:26:07 | jhMikeS | if you extract doom wads and see /.rockbox/doom/.rockbox/doom something should clue you in |
| 04:26:18 | EbErT | has there been any attempt at making iPod rockbox more efficient on battery? |
| 04:26:28 | Llorean | EbErT: Yes. It is not a simple problem. |
| 04:26:51 | EbErT | i know its not, or i would have super battery life already :/ |
| 04:26:59 | Llorean | It's more likely a hardware question than an efficiency question. |
| 04:27:02 | EbErT | just haven't messed with rockbox in bout a month |
| 04:27:18 | EbErT | hd speedups? |
| 04:27:37 | jhMikeS | will the sansa info help anything with other pp? it's pp too, right? |
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| 04:28:23 | Llorean | EbErT: HD speedups? |
| 04:28:52 | EbErT | rockbox access the harddrive a lot, which is probably a big factor |
| 04:28:53 | Llorean | EbErT: No, more along the lines of "There's a good chance some hardware is active that shouldn't be, but because we know relatively little about the hardware, we don't know how to check for it, or disable it if it is" |
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| 04:29:07 | Llorean | EbErT: Rockbox doesn't really hit the HD very often at all. |
| 04:29:07 | * | jhMikeS is getting confused...AMS, PP and thinks they have something to do with each other |
| 04:29:18 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Not really |
| 04:29:21 | jhMikeS | oh |
| 04:29:33 | Llorean | jhMikeS: The PP5024 has an embedded DAC, which is what we got the datasheet for. |
| 04:29:45 | jhMikeS | only the DAC? |
| 04:29:47 | Llorean | Yep |
| 04:29:54 | EbErT | i think it does, but its gotten better since spring |
| 04:29:59 | Llorean | Because it's made by AMS, not PP |
| 04:30:12 | Llorean | EbErT: You're wrong for thinking it's 'a lot' |
| 04:30:25 | Llorean | EbErT: It hits the HD just as much on other players and gets better battery life than their native firmwares. |
| 04:30:45 | Llorean | EbErT: It only hits the HD when necessary to fill the buffer, and if dircache is disabled, when necessary to display the filetree contents. |
| 04:30:56 | EbErT | do you have a link to a chart on battery life for ipod? |
| 04:31:17 | Llorean | It's the IpodRuntime wiki page. |
| 04:31:20 | EbErT | i disagree it gets better than native firmware on my 4g |
| 04:31:23 | Llorean | It doesn't |
| 04:31:27 | Llorean | I said on OTHER players |
| 04:31:34 | Llorean | It VERY definitely does not get better than the native firmware on iPods. |
| 04:31:48 | EbErT | ok, sry i was only talking about ipods |
| 04:31:52 | Llorean | Yes |
| 04:31:55 | Llorean | I know |
| 04:31:57 | Llorean | Which is why I said OTHER players |
| 04:31:57 | EbErT | ? |
| 04:31:58 | Llorean | OTHER as in not-iPods |
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| 04:32:21 | Llorean | It hits the HD just as much on the iPods as it does on other players |
| 04:32:42 | Llorean | In fact, we buffer more music than the Apple firmware, most likely. |
| 04:32:45 | jhMikeS | given portal players obstinance ... I'm ok with news about them going down in flames ... seems the most open companies are also the most successful ... Philips/Freescale being a good example |
| 04:32:52 | Llorean | Because they keep the 5mb of their firmware in RAM. |
| 04:32:59 | Llorean | While our firmware uses less than 2mb of RAM. |
| 04:33:30 | EbErT | well, im just peeved about ipod battery life, not hd spinups |
| 04:33:40 | EbErT | but i know its difficult, you don't have to defend more |
| 04:33:45 | Llorean | I'm not defending. |
| 04:33:47 | saratoga | can we get this smile in the forums? |
| 04:33:48 | saratoga | http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-psyduck.gif |
| 04:33:53 | Llorean | EbErT: I'm just pointing out the errors in your information. |
| 04:33:57 | Llorean | EbErT: I know our battery life is bad. |
| 04:33:58 | saratoga | its basically how i feel in 90% of threads |
| 04:34:18 | Llorean | EbErT: But it's VERY bad to spread misinformation, such as that Rockbox hits the HD more than it should. |
| 04:34:35 | EbErT | i didn't say "more than it should" |
| 04:34:51 | Llorean | You said it accesses the disk a lot. |
| 04:35:00 | * | jhMikeS will certainly listen to that from someone that really knows how often it should ;) |
| 04:35:00 | Llorean | And that it might be a big factor in the battery issue. |
| 04:35:16 | EbErT | it wasn't a good statement in the first place, because that all depends on how you use your player Llorean |
| 04:35:23 | Llorean | Considering the context, that suggests it hits it more than it should. If it's hitting it as much as it should, then clearly it _couldn't_ be a factor in the battery life issue. |
| 04:35:28 | saratoga | or if your player even has a HD |
| 04:35:36 | saratoga | the sansa being a good example |
| 04:35:40 | Llorean | saratoga: Or Nano |
| 04:35:49 | Llorean | The Sansa still has a lot of issues overall |
| 04:35:56 | EbErT | ok, you guys all keep correcting the heck out of eachother, have fun. |
| 04:35:59 | Llorean | It currently gets my vote for "Least enjoyable to use Rockbox port." |
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| 04:36:16 | Llorean | EbErT: The problem I have is that people make wild statements or suppositions, and then other people end up quoting them elsewhere. |
| 04:36:50 | saratoga | EbErT: theres about a million ipod battery life threads in the forums, why not search for one and see for yourself? |
| 04:37:03 | saratoga | if you're not interested in having us tell you what they say, you should read them directly |
| 04:37:04 | EbErT | i am sir. |
| 04:37:06 | jhMikeS | Isn't PP secretive to the point that they really don't give out major info even to the companies the use the chips? I thought they just had a lib to put your touches on and that was basically it. |
| 04:37:09 | EbErT | remember i asked for al ink |
| 04:37:41 | Llorean | EbErT: You asked for a link for a table, and I referenced you to the IpodRuntime wiki page. |
| 04:37:54 | saratoga | I generally don't keep an index of forums threads |
| 04:38:02 | saratoga | the search makes that unnecesary |
| 04:38:21 | saratoga | also, Llorean, psyduck emot |
| 04:38:26 | Llorean | saratoga: I saw. |
| 04:38:30 | Llorean | saratoga: 's about right |
| 04:38:36 | Llorean | Especially when ANY thread mentions 'Doom' |
| 04:38:45 | saratoga | i'll try it in the doom thread |
| 04:38:47 | EbErT | yes, and i am looking at it Llorean thankyou. please don't think im out to attack u guys! |
| 04:39:02 | Llorean | EbErT: I never accused you of attacking us. |
| 04:39:22 | Llorean | As I said, the whole point of my correcting was to make sure you were aware of the _actual_ situation instead of your hypothetical one, to be sure misinformation wasn't spread. |
| 04:39:38 | Llorean | Rockbox can take longer to fill the buffer than the Apple firmware. |
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| 04:40:18 | Llorean | But part of this is that the buffer is larger, and parts of it may be a case of efficiency, but it's not hitting the disk more often. |
| 04:41:16 | * | safetydan votes for the Doom plugin not getting built in the standard build |
| 04:41:43 | safetydan | Though maybe that'd just shift the questions from "Where do I put the files?" to "Where's the Doom plugin?" |
| 04:42:04 | Llorean | safetydan: How I install doom?!?!?!?!?! |
| 04:42:25 | safetydan | Multiple exclamation points are one of the first signs of madness :) |
| 04:42:34 | EbErT | heh |
| 04:43:11 | Llorean | I very often want to politely explain to people that "A single question mark conveys clearly enough that you're asking a question. You're clogging the intertubes with the rest of those." |
| 04:43:12 | * | jhMikeS is suprised he doesn't flood IRC with them then :p |
| 04:44:28 | jhMikeS | intertubes...the origins of that are depressing me |
| 04:45:15 | Llorean | Heh |
| 04:45:22 | jhMikeS | ...but this isn't a political channel |
| 04:45:42 | Llorean | Indeed |
| 04:50:08 | jhMikeS | back to unclogging the intertubes inside my DAP connecting all the brains together... |
| 04:50:13 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 04:52:10 | * | safetydan is glad he's not outside today |
| 04:52:16 | safetydan | it's 37 degrees out there |
| 04:52:25 | safetydan | (100 F or so for our American friends) |
| 04:53:00 | EbErT | where? |
| 04:53:02 | scorche | US needs to go away from the imperial system =/ |
| 04:54:19 | safetydan | EbErT, Brisbane in Australia |
| 04:56:09 | jhMikeS | 37 = 98.6 F |
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| 04:57:04 | jhMikeS | About 37C inside me :) |
| 04:57:17 | EbErT | u should be just right then |
| 04:57:41 | EbErT | if you're a lizard |
| 04:57:50 | EbErT | who doesnt need to expel heat |
| 04:57:50 | jhMikeS | outside is a bit chillier |
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| 04:58:52 | EbErT | wow, my ipod has the worst runtime of all ipods on rockbox |
| 04:58:57 | EbErT | durnit |
| 04:59:17 | EbErT | excuse me "shortest number of hours" |
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| 04:59:53 | jhMikeS | "fewest number of hours" for the more pedantic :P |
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| 05:00:03 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 05:01:19 | EbErT | its late, throw me a bone |
| 05:01:30 | EbErT | :D |
| 05:01:52 | jhMikeS | If you saw me though you might think I was a lizard and not pedantic at all |
| 05:02:18 | * | Llorean is definitely pedantic. |
| 05:02:25 | Llorean | Ask anyone in the forums. :-P |
| 05:03:41 | jhMikeS | EbErT: A bone for the situation: dying battery? |
| 05:04:00 | EbErT | no.. try again |
| 05:04:22 | Llorean | EbErT: Are you testing under the exact same conditions as them? |
| 05:04:25 | jhMikeS | Still too much spinning? |
| 05:04:48 | EbErT | im not testing anything atm, just bitching dont mind me |
| 05:05:06 | jhMikeS | It'll spin too much if you have a huge memory database...that comes to mind |
| 05:05:23 | EbErT | "huge memory database"? |
| 05:05:37 | jhMikeS | Database on and stored in RAM |
| 05:05:43 | jhMikeS | And a lot of entries |
| 05:06:04 | EbErT | well, i have 6500 songs, mostly in one folder |
| 05:06:11 | EbErT | with various weird tags |
| 05:06:46 | jhMikeS | voice?, directory cache? |
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| 05:07:36 | EbErT | no voice files |
| 05:08:27 | jhMikeS | You can always check the memory usage by looking at the Debug|Audio Thread with and without certain things on |
| 05:10:54 | EbErT | are there certain things turned on by default i might not need? |
| 05:10:59 | EbErT | i haven't messed in there |
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| 05:15:01 | jhMikeS | No the fancy stuff is off by default |
| 05:15:22 | jhMikeS | The audio buffer is what's left after everything has take its bite |
| 05:15:46 | Llorean | saratoga: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ArticlesAboutRockbox |
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| 05:17:19 | saratoga | Llorean: oh cool |
| 05:17:31 | saratoga | could we get a large link to that page on the rockbox.org though? |
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| 05:18:07 | saratoga | maybe below "Check the changelog for recent changes." there could be "Interested in writing about rockbox? Contact us (link)" |
| 05:18:47 | saratoga | or something roughly to that effect |
| 05:18:48 | Llorean | saratoga: Something like that would be nice, yes. |
| 05:19:02 | saratoga | i just kind of doubt a lot of these people look through the wiki |
| 05:19:06 | saratoga | or much of anything really |
| 05:22:31 | JdGordon | Soap: it doesnt work at all on the ipods atm because of a buggy button driver, but it shuold work by skipping more items depening on how long you have been scrolling for |
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| 05:38:21 | JdGordon | woo!, got it working on the ipods |
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| 05:55:32 | midkay | JdGordon: list accel? |
| 05:55:42 | daurnimator | JdGordon! |
| 05:55:47 | JdGordon | yup |
| 05:55:48 | JdGordon | hey |
| 05:56:15 | midkay | JdGordon: so on hardware-button targets it just goes faster and faster the longer you hold? |
| 05:56:29 | JdGordon | pretty much |
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| 05:56:34 | JdGordon | on all targets |
| 05:56:56 | webguest70 | Hi there, just wondering where to get the dual boot file for IAudio X5 |
| 05:57:03 | webguest70 | Anyone know? |
| 05:57:06 | Llorean | webguest70: There is no official dual boot. |
| 05:57:12 | Llorean | For the X5, at least. |
| 05:57:51 | webguest70 | Really :( |
| 05:57:54 | midkay | ok.. not sure if you were aware but BUTTON_REPEAT on the iPods (i.e. touch wheel) is always true as long as your finger is held on the wheel.. so even if you stop mid-list you're still BUTTON_REPEATing. that should be factored in if it isn't (i.e. if you stop scrolling, even if your finger is on the wheel, you need to reset the acceleration.) |
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| 05:58:37 | JdGordon | midkay: the first version of the patch didnt work at all on the ipods, i guess because of tha reason.... so the 2nd version has a not-so-nice hack for it to work |
| 05:58:46 | JdGordon | which is why its on fs and not commited :p |
| 05:58:52 | midkay | ok, nice. i'll have to try it sometime :) |
| 05:59:08 | JdGordon | also, i need to optimize the selection change code... its not done very nicely |
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| 06:00:28 | daurnimator | JdGordon: still want to swap? |
| 06:00:42 | JdGordon | not so much... i can see you do tho :p |
| 06:00:54 | JdGordon | you can buy a h340 for $250 on ocau! |
| 06:00:56 | JdGordon | damn cheap |
| 06:01:29 | JdGordon | actually you cant.. it got sold pretty quickly :p |
| 06:01:37 | daurnimator | haha |
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| 06:24:53 | webguest34 | Hi will wma ever be supported on rockbox? |
| 06:25:12 | scorche | if someone codes it into rockbox it will |
| 06:25:30 | webguest34 | would it be hard? |
| 06:25:44 | scorche | for someone with no knowledge of C, yes |
| 06:26:18 | webguest34 | i know that but would it be hard for one of the coders |
| 06:26:43 | scorche | one of the Rockbox developers? |
| 06:26:52 | webguest34 | yer |
| 06:27:04 | scorche | the issue is more a matter of spare time |
| 06:27:10 | scorche | and benefit |
| 06:27:35 | JerryLange | do alot of people have wma files? i only have mp3. I usually try to avoid to get wma files because they dont work on rockbox. |
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| 06:28:33 | webguest34 | 70% of my files on my sansa are wma |
| 06:28:33 | Llorean | JerryLange: Many people don't do research in advance, or don't do _good_ research in advance, and/or just let Windows Media Player rip their CDs for them. |
| 06:29:29 | JerryLange | i understand |
| 06:30:03 | Llorean | webguest34: The main problem is that it'll take someone a decent amount of effort to fully convert one to fixed point, then more time optimizing, and WMA isn't really that good of a codec to begin with. |
| 06:30:19 | Llorean | webguest34: Most of the people with the skill to do this don't see it as a good use of their time, because they already use better codecs to begin with. |
| 06:30:44 | webguest34 | is there a special video convertor that you need to change the video type |
| 06:30:44 | Llorean | webguest34: To paraphrase one of our core developers, "It'd take someone with a clue to port a WMA codec, and people with a clue wouldn't use WMA" |
| 06:31:14 | scorche | Llorean: not an exact quote, mind you ;) |
| 06:31:20 | Llorean | webguest34: As for video, that's covered in the PluginMpegplayer page, but it's at an early state |
| 06:31:28 | Llorean | scorche: That's why I said I was paraphrasing. :) |
| 06:32:06 | JerryLange | its easier to convert your music then to wait for a wma codec |
| 06:32:16 | Llorean | Or re-rip. |
| 06:32:34 | webguest34 | yer isnt wma smaller than mp3 |
| 06:32:43 | scorche | preferably re-rip to avoid a transcode, but it is wma anyway ;) |
| 06:32:55 | scorche | webguest34: that doesnt mean it is better |
| 06:33:56 | Llorean | webguest34: Microsoft claims it is, but most double blind tests have shown that LAME encoded MP3 tends to be equal or better sounding at the same bitrate. |
| 06:34:18 | webguest34 | k |
| 06:34:51 | lavi1 | or use ogg vorbis |
| 06:34:51 | webguest34 | Can you use any video convertor that converts to mpeg2? |
| 06:34:53 | cynicalliberal | Webguest34: if you want smaller, try ogg. Won't work on the original firmware though. |
| 06:35:06 | JerryLange | speaking of codecs how is the ogg codec compared to the mp3 codec on rockbox? |
| 06:35:13 | Llorean | webguest34: Yes. |
| 06:35:21 | Llorean | JerryLange: How is it in what way? |
| 06:35:26 | webguest34 | could you name any |
| 06:35:37 | webguest34 | convertors* |
| 06:35:39 | Llorean | webguest34: Have you read the page I referenced you to yet, it mentions one. |
| 06:35:39 | JerryLange | playing and listening to songs |
| 06:35:50 | Llorean | JerryLange: That's not a valid question. |
| 06:35:56 | Llorean | What are you trying to compare? |
| 06:36:07 | Llorean | Yes, you can play and listen to songs with both of them. |
| 06:36:17 | amiconn | mo0ning |
| 06:36:29 | scorche | Llorean: i was typing the same thing, but i thought i had better things to do =P |
| 06:36:30 | lavi1 | as opposed to only play or only listen :-p |
| 06:36:33 | cynicalliberal | two on that page even |
| 06:36:51 | Llorean | cynicalliberal: I thought there were two, but I was 100% sure there was at least one. :) |
| 06:36:53 | JerryLange | are there any bugs in the codecs? |
| 06:37:04 | Llorean | None known. |
| 06:37:20 | cynicalliberal | Llorean: yeah, I double checked to make sure >.> |
| 06:37:22 | safetydan | JerryLange, ogg is faster on arm, slower on coldfire. MP3 is faster on coldfire, but slower on ARM. Or something like that anyway. |
| 06:37:36 | safetydan | Where faster means "decodes with less boost" |
| 06:37:37 | amiconn | JdGordon: Some menus are still not converted to the new system. Browsing those looks rather odd to me now... |
| 06:39:54 | JerryLange | safetydan: what do the Ipods have? |
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| 06:40:03 | safetydan | JerryLange, ARM |
| 06:40:30 | Llorean | I think on iPod/ARM, MP3 and Vorbis are fairly close now |
| 06:40:45 | Llorean | I think there were some optimizations to MP3 that brought it down to a similar level, but I could be wrong |
| 06:40:48 | safetydan | Be aware that my recollection may be subject to the mists of time, vagaries of memory, and is probably void where permitted. |
| 06:41:08 | Llorean | I think MPC is faster than both on ARM still, though |
| 06:41:40 | scorche | safetydan: void where permitted? |
| 06:42:17 | safetydan | scorche, just silly phrasing to say "I'm not sure if I remember correctly" |
| 06:43:02 | scorche | yes, but if it is void, one would assume it isnt permitted |
| 06:43:50 | midkay | 'void where prohibited'? |
| 06:44:00 | midkay | permitted seems like the wrong word. |
| 06:44:00 | scorche | much better |
| 06:44:20 | JerryLange | is there still skipping on the ipods when using a theme with a peak meter? |
| 06:44:26 | scorche | which is what i was trying to point out =P |
| 06:44:29 | safetydan | It's the sort of phrasing you see in warranty or competition fine print. Googling for the phrase shows I'm not crazy and other places use it :) |
| 06:44:55 | midkay | safetydan: i'm nearly positive it's "prohibited" not "permitted". :) |
| 06:45:04 | scorche | ditto |
| 06:45:16 | * | Llorean thinks everyone should stop and go laugh at a pun here or something: http://www.xkcd.com/ |
| 06:45:21 | midkay | void where permitted.. like.. disallowed where it's allowed? that doesn't make sense. |
| 06:45:49 | scorche | Llorean: i check it daily....good comic =) |
| 06:45:51 | * | safetydan waits for the "off topic" ban hammer to come down |
| 06:46:03 | safetydan | It's the only thing that'll save me from having to justify my poor phrasing :) |
| 06:46:07 | Llorean | scorche: I've been quite a fan of it for a while. |
| 06:46:09 | * | scorche is a ban hammer and stays up |
| 06:46:17 | midkay | safetydan: hahaha. |
| 06:46:18 | Llorean | But the most recent one was especially lovely to me. |
| 06:47:34 | scorche | they all are quite good...i like those that appeal to "intelligent" people....xkcd is very much one of them |
| 06:47:55 | Llorean | Some of it requires slightly specialist knowledge though. |
| 06:48:12 | Llorean | For example, I don't know too many people who'd get the "Commented" one. (http://www.xkcd.com/c156.html) |
| 06:48:15 | scorche | and quite high math |
| 06:48:46 | scorche | haha |
| 06:49:01 | scorche | i love the color change |
| 06:49:04 | Llorean | Indeed |
| 06:49:14 | Llorean | If only the world worked like that. |
| 06:49:34 | scorche | i would rather #ifdef 0 than comment though |
| 06:50:25 | Llorean | I can't quite put together an #ifdef 0 with my fingers though. |
| 06:50:43 | * | JdGordon thinks xkcd sucks |
| 06:50:44 | scorche | i can do the hash, but that is the limit =/ |
| 06:50:51 | * | scorche shuns JdGordon |
| 06:51:01 | * | safetydan joins the shunning |
| 06:51:13 | scorche | shun the nonbeliever! |
| 06:52:34 | JerryLange | is it just me or are the forums slow? |
| 06:52:50 | scorche | they typically are at this time of night.day for some odd reason |
| 06:52:50 | Llorean | JerryLange: They very often are about this time |
| 06:54:28 | Llorean | Oh, wow, 9001 members. 999 to go. |
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| 07:03:36 | amiconn | Backlight on X5 eats almost as much power as the whole rest of the it |
| 07:04:02 | amiconn | Runtime with backlight off: 15:07. Backlight at default brightness: 8:27 |
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| 07:05:49 | Llorean | Ouch |
| 07:06:36 | Llorean | It really puts into perspective how little power these devices are using (or how much various forms of lighting use) |
| 07:07:24 | amiconn | It shows how much power a colour lcd needs, because of the backlight |
| 07:07:49 | saratoga | they're led lights ? |
| 07:09:46 | amiconn | yes |
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| 07:19:23 | JdGordon | does the list scrolling hugging the top and botton annoy anyone else? I want to change it so the selected item is closer to the center... e.g nb_lines/4 from the top/bottom? |
| 07:25:49 | safetydan | JdGordon, might look a little weird with paged scrolling enabled. |
| 07:27:08 | JdGordon | thats ok! aparently I completly removed that option :'( |
| 07:27:18 | safetydan | Eh? Works fine on my H120... |
| 07:27:23 | safetydan | though my build is a little old |
| 07:28:18 | JdGordon | no, in my changed sources |
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| 07:31:49 | * | amiconn thinks the list scrolling is perfectly ok |
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| 07:32:26 | JdGordon | it needs acceleration |
| 07:32:31 | amiconn | One line extra in the scrolling direction is enough, imo |
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| 07:41:10 | * | cynicalliberal thinks Windows makes one stupider |
| 07:42:48 | cynicalliberal | I try to decrypt the mi4code for my sansa over and over wondering why it doesn't work... then I realize I need to be in the directory to use the tool. I would've never made that mistake had I been in linux. -_- |
| 07:46:46 | Llorean | JdGordon: Your acceleration in the iPod list is _okay_ but it has some major problems. |
| 07:46:58 | Llorean | JdGordon: The most important being, even if you take your finger off the wheel, it doesn't reset the scroll amount. |
| 07:47:25 | JdGordon | yeah, I saw that.. dont really know how to fix it :( |
| 07:47:31 | Llorean | JdGordon: I currently have it scrolling fast enough to get through a list of 100 entries in 3 screen updates. |
| 07:47:37 | Llorean | 1000 entries |
| 07:47:49 | JdGordon | sometimes thats not so bad :p |
| 07:48:15 | Llorean | JdGordon: Yes, but how to I slow down to pick just one that happens to be two entries above the one I have highlighted? |
| 07:48:17 | JdGordon | the list button code isnt called for ACTION_NONE so we dont know when the button was released |
| 07:48:25 | JdGordon | change directions |
| 07:48:32 | Llorean | Yeah, but that's entirely nonsensical for a normal user. |
| 07:48:38 | JdGordon | dw, its not going to be committed untill thats fixed |
| 07:48:57 | JdGordon | well, you probably overshoot more often than not, so its not soo bad |
| 07:49:45 | Llorean | Overall I don't really like the feel of it anyway. |
| 07:50:12 | Llorean | On the iPod you can't treat scrolling similarly to how you do on the other targets. |
| 07:50:24 | Llorean | On the other targets it's basically an on/off state. |
| 07:50:46 | Llorean | On the iPods, you're moving your finger, and can vary the rate you move your finger at, scrolling needs to be reactive to this _somehow_ because to most users that's what's expected. |
| 07:50:49 | * | JdGordon understands.... |
| 07:50:56 | Llorean | I'm not exactly sure _how_ |
| 07:51:02 | amiconn | On non-ipod, scrolling is accelerated by the button driver |
| 07:51:20 | amiconn | Button repeat gets faster while holding the button |
| 07:51:49 | JdGordon | yes, but you still only move up/down 1 item, so in large lists this takes way to long |
| 07:52:01 | JdGordon | this works great on my h300 |
| 07:52:10 | amiconn | For really large lists you can use page-wise scrolling |
| 07:52:24 | JdGordon | 2 fingure navigation is annoying |
| 07:52:40 | JdGordon | .. and dangerous while driving :p |
| 07:52:50 | Llorean | I think that allowing more acceleration than currently exists wouldn't be a bad thing, so long as the current behaviour is reproducable. |
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| 07:53:12 | amiconn | I don't like 2 finger operation that much either, but for lists it's acceptable imho. Really long lists are very rare... |
| 07:53:39 | amiconn | About the only really long list I know of is the all-tracks list in the db |
| 07:53:57 | JdGordon | depends how you organise your files... |
| 07:54:08 | JdGordon | most of my lists are long |
| 07:54:16 | Llorean | I have a 1400 file folder that can only really be split up through a rather tedious process of going through and hand sorting them. |
| 07:54:21 | scorche | the thing is, we arent working with a button...we are working with a wheel....logically, it should work as apple does it |
| 07:54:27 | amiconn | The longest file list I have is something between 400 and 500 files |
| 07:54:31 | Llorean | But other than that, the longest list is my list of albums. |
| 07:54:43 | scorche | paged scrolling like that wont really work and wouldnt be intuitive |
| 07:54:50 | amiconn | The wheel is a different thing |
| 07:55:06 | Llorean | scorche: I think it could accelerate up to paged scrolling if your finger were moving fast enough, after a certain amount of time. |
| 07:55:12 | Llorean | scorche: But we're discussing button scrolling. |
| 07:55:21 | amiconn | I accept that it needs acceleration, but so far I didn't see any nicely working implementation for that |
| 07:55:39 | * | JdGordon almost has it perfect |
| 07:55:44 | Llorean | I haven't tried JdGordon's patch on a button target yet. |
| 07:55:56 | Llorean | But judging from how it worked on the iPod, were it configurable I think it could be acceptable. |
| 07:56:01 | JdGordon | with the added bonus of saving a few bytes :p |
| 07:56:34 | Llorean | One thing that's important to me, though, is making sure the user has the option to say "Don't skip any entries" and can configure the speed. |
| 07:57:04 | Llorean | Most times if I'm scrolling a long list, it's because I can't even vaguely remember the title of a song, I just know I'll recognize it when I see it, and the current scroll speed pretty much ensures I'll see most/all of the titles in a long list. |
| 07:58:35 | amiconn | Personally I prefer slower scrolling rather than overshooting all the time |
| 07:59:49 | Llorean | Yes, same here. |
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| 08:00:07 | amiconn | I tried apple scrolling (very) briefly, just with the menus as I don't have any apple recognisable files on the ipod |
| 08:00:16 | amiconn | It feels too fast for my taste |
| 08:00:32 | Llorean | If you need to get somewhere specific in a long list, there are much better solutions than 'quick, inaccurate scrolling' such as perhaps a "GoTo" entry in the context menu with 0-9 and A-Z as choices. |
| 08:00:47 | amiconn | The piezo tick is somewhat helpful though |
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| 08:08:36 | JdGordon | oh poo! this doesnt shrink the bin |
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| 08:15:26 | pondlife | Urrgh, what happened to the list scrolling?? |
| 08:16:20 | * | JdGordon hasnt touched it in svn yet..... |
| 08:16:33 | pondlife | I used to be able to zip through my file browser by holding down DOWN. Now it just goes slowly - no repeat action? |
| 08:17:05 | pondlife | Or any list for that matter |
| 08:17:07 | JdGordon | blame Slasheri :D |
| 08:17:09 | * | pondlife grumbles |
| 08:17:18 | JdGordon | 12721 |
| 08:17:31 | pondlife | JdGordon: Do you see this or is it just me? |
| 08:18:03 | pondlife | On H300 here... |
| 08:18:55 | JdGordon | i havnt got svn on my h300, im playing with the same code area so i havtn |
| 08:19:19 | pondlife | OK, well maybe later you could try a before + after test. |
| 08:19:37 | pondlife | I won't muck about with it today - don't know that code (yet) |
| 08:19:56 | pondlife | Gotta go, but I'll check back later. |
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| 08:27:36 | patate | Anyone here has a Sansa e200 ? |
| 08:28:17 | GodEater_ | dan_a: congratulations on the sound breakthrough :) |
| 08:28:44 | * | Llorean eagerly awaits the day the Sansa can replace his Nano |
| 08:29:47 | GodEater_ | you have one too ? Are there any targets you don't own ? ;) |
| 08:29:56 | Llorean | I don't have an X5. |
| 08:30:01 | Llorean | Or an H10. |
| 08:30:04 | Llorean | :-P |
| 08:30:06 | GodEater_ | hehe |
| 08:30:46 | Llorean | The Sansa still has a bit of a ways to go. There's a noticeable glitchiness to the screen, and such. |
| 08:30:53 | GodEater_ | wow - there's a Sansa forum already. That was quick! |
| 08:30:58 | Llorean | patate: If you have a specific question, it's generally best to ask the question. |
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| 08:31:22 | Llorean | GodEater_: I was actually a bit slow on doing it. I should've done it when I closed the "New Ports" thread, but I forgot to until Saratoga mentioned it was missing. |
| 08:31:26 | GodEater_ | Llorean: are you fearful of a flood of support postings for the sansa now ? |
| 08:31:32 | Llorean | I'm terrified. |
| 08:31:36 | Llorean | I know what those people can do. |
| 08:31:37 | GodEater_ | yeah me too =/ |
| 08:32:00 | Llorean | But, I solved that legion guy's Gigabeat problems. There were four pages of that thread, so I decided to finally step in and solve it. :-P |
| 08:32:12 | GodEater_ | heh - yeah I saw |
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| 08:32:43 | GodEater_ | It still gives me a warm fuzzy feeling to know that there are *polite* clueless newbies out there |
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| 08:32:48 | Llorean | I figured the only two things it could be were still missing system files, or that he'd formatted something other than FAT32 (nobody had yet asked him that) |
| 08:33:13 | GodEater_ | good point - I didn't think of that |
| 08:33:45 | patate | I extracted both the rockbox.e200 and the /rockbox dir directly to my sansa hd and when I restart the player the sansa firmware still boots.. |
| 08:33:54 | Llorean | patate: You need to install the bootloader |
| 08:33:59 | patate | how so ? |
| 08:34:02 | Llorean | patate: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Install |
| 08:34:05 | GodEater_ | sheesh it's *freezing* in the office this morning. We had a building powerdown over the weekend - so the 100 plus PCs (heaters) in my room have all been off all weekend. |
| 08:34:12 | B4gd3r | patate: do follow the instructions and you |
| 08:34:18 | B4gd3r | will be happier |
| 08:34:26 | Llorean | B4gd3r: I think the bootloader bit is missing from the manual as of yet. |
| 08:34:33 | B4gd3r | oh |
| 08:34:43 | LinusN | B4gd3r: you seem to l33t today? |
| 08:34:44 | * | Llorean goes to double check that |
| 08:35:00 | B4gd3r | LinusN: yeah, its one of th0se d4yz :) |
| 08:35:07 | LinusN | k3wl |
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| 08:36:08 | LinusN | i am a little curious about slasheris acceleration patch |
| 08:36:29 | LinusN | looks a little complicated |
| 08:37:02 | Llorean | B4gd3r: There's not even a sansa_install.tex, which makes this officially outside of my knowledge range for the manual. |
| 08:37:17 | Llorean | LinusN: Has he put up a patch somewhere? |
| 08:37:25 | LinusN | it's in svn |
| 08:37:28 | B4gd3r | Llorean: yeah, for me too really |
| 08:37:56 | Llorean | LinusN: I thought those were the optimizations to prepare for acceleration, rather than the actual acceleration. |
| 08:38:04 | * | Llorean may have missed something |
| 08:38:12 | Slasheri | LinusN: have you seen the actual scrollwheel acceleration code yet? |
| 08:38:16 | Slasheri | that is not in svn |
| 08:38:26 | LinusN | this frame dropping and boosting stuff looks rather complicated |
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| 08:39:05 | Llorean | bluebrother: When you're around, I need a manual-related favour. If you see this in the logs, the Sansa manual lacks install instructions, specifically the bootloader bit and preparation for dual boot (they're here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Install) |
| 08:39:32 | amiconn | I wonder what negative effect this button boost might have. There's a potential of boosting/unboosting quite often, and every frequency change has a penalty |
| 08:39:40 | B4gd3r | the dual-boot part is pretty important for sansa install |
| 08:41:00 | LinusN | amiconn: exactly |
| 08:41:27 | midgey | hmm, can someone post an updated gigabeat bootloader to http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/gigabeat/ ? |
| 08:42:47 | B4gd3r | midgey: what bootloader should we put there? |
| 08:42:54 | midgey | the current files are outdated and can cause some users to experience "Rockbox error: -2" I've temporarily attached an updated version to the wiki |
| 08:43:19 | midgey | on march 3rd, a commit was made to allow the user to put rockbox.gigabeat in ./rockbox |
| 08:43:38 | Llorean | B4gd3r: See the updated http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Install and tell me what you think. |
| 08:43:46 | Llorean | I reorganized the information there a little bit. |
| 08:43:46 | midgey | if you try that on an old bootloader you'll get an error and rockbox wont load |
| 08:43:49 | B4gd3r | midgey: URL for the newer image? |
| 08:44:19 | midgey | I've attached one to GigabeatFXPort on the wiki |
| 08:44:38 | midgey | (which should probably be deleted from the wiki...) |
| 08:44:40 | B4gd3r | Llorean: goodie |
| 08:45:14 | patate | Anyone could help me with the mi4 file decryption on the e200 |
| 08:46:18 | B4gd3r | patate: what's the problem? |
| 08:46:39 | patate | Install a version of the mi4code program on your system (Use the windows binary or the source code under http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4code.html) |
| 08:46:39 | patate | Decrypt the mi4 firmware with: mi4code decrypt -s SKU_E-PP5022.mi4 OF.bin (If you are using a downloaded mi4 file.) |
| 08:46:45 | Llorean | LinusN: I'm curious, what did you edit in my post? |
| 08:46:46 | patate | I dont understand that |
| 08:47:01 | B4gd3r | patate: what don't you understand? |
| 08:47:07 | LinusN | Llorean: "succesful" -> "successful" |
| 08:47:21 | Llorean | LinusN: Eeep, that means it's wrong in all the other posts like that. |
| 08:47:29 | * | Llorean goes a'fixin' |
| 08:48:45 | B4gd3r | midgey: fixed! |
| 08:48:55 | Llorean | Alright, I've now resolved the fact that there were 5 more places showing everyone I can never spell "successfully" right without something that underlines it in red for me. |
| 08:48:56 | midgey | B4gd3r: great! |
| 08:49:27 | Llorean | B4gd3r: Why do we have two gigabeat bootloaders there, anyway? |
| 08:49:50 | B4gd3r | I just like renaming the former one when I put the latest there |
| 08:49:57 | Llorean | Ah, that fair. |
| 08:50:26 | B4gd3r | to make it easy to revert, but we should delete it once proven |
| 08:50:26 | Llorean | People can roll back, just in case. |
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| 08:52:35 | B4gd3r | with the sansa thread locked, finally another thread can get a chance in the stats ;-) |
| 08:52:41 | Llorean | 'bout time |
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| 08:52:48 | amiconn | hrmph |
| 08:52:54 | GodEater_ | I hope toffe gets somewhere his tracing on the Gigabeat S |
| 08:57:43 | JdGordon | can anyone test jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/list_accel.patch">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/list_accel.patch and tell me if you find any scrolling bugs? (this simplifys some code there as well as adding the accell code) |
| 08:57:47 | Llorean | B4gd3r: That bootloader doesn't do what it's supposed to do. |
| 08:57:53 | LinusN | amiconn: or is it more like "Rogntudjjuuu!!!"? :-) |
| 08:57:59 | Llorean | midgey: That bootloader still doesn't load rockbox.gigabeat from inside /.rockbox/ |
| 08:58:15 | Llorean | B4gd3r: In fact, the only noticeable effect from using it is that it breaks the bootsplash functionality. |
| 08:58:35 | LinusN | is the bootsplash really wanted btw? |
| 08:58:41 | Llorean | Not by me. |
| 08:58:41 | midgey | Llorean: really? I my rockbox.gigabeat in .rockbox |
| 08:58:45 | amiconn | LinusN ? |
| 08:58:50 | Llorean | midgey: I got an error -2 using that file |
| 08:58:50 | amiconn | I was reffereing to my isp |
| 08:58:51 | * | midgey votes no on bootsplash |
| 08:58:55 | Llorean | midgey: Do you have one in the root as well? |
| 08:59:00 | LinusN | amiconn: i know |
| 08:59:04 | midgey | Llorean: no |
| 08:59:16 | Llorean | midgey: Are you using the exact file at download.rockbox.org? |
| 08:59:40 | midgey | Llorean: let me check again, but I should be |
| 08:59:51 | Llorean | midgey: Because it's definitely not working for me. |
| 08:59:53 | * | B4gd3r goes for coffe |
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| 09:00:10 | Llorean | At least the "Hold Menu for Recovery" mode works, since I don't have the original FW installed any more |
| 09:00:38 | midgey | Llorean: try cutting power to the battery |
| 09:00:55 | Llorean | midgey: For what? |
| 09:01:48 | midgey | Llorean: it's mentioned in the install instructions, i figured it was required |
| 09:02:25 | Llorean | midgey: The new bootloader is definitely running, it's just error: -2-ing when I have rockbox.gigabeat in the .rockbox folder |
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| 09:03:26 | LinusN | i thought we got rid of the numeric error codes |
| 09:03:36 | midgey | Llorean: strange, i have that EXACT same bootloader on my gigabeat and it works fine |
| 09:03:52 | midgey | md5 sums are the exact same |
| 09:04:04 | midgey | and rockbox.gigabeat is in .rockbox |
| 09:05:06 | Llorean | midgey: How big is the file supposed to be? |
| 09:05:36 | Llorean | download.rockbox.org is showing it as 44k, but it's 65k on disk here, suggesting I'm not getting the right file somehow |
| 09:05:48 | B4gd3r | the former one is ~65K |
| 09:05:59 | midgey | eh, the new one is `43K |
| 09:06:08 | midgey | ~43K * |
| 09:06:10 | Llorean | That's what I thought. |
| 09:06:17 | Llorean | Now the question is, why can't I download it. |
| 09:06:22 | Llorean | I've never had caching issues before. |
| 09:06:27 | LinusN | Llorean: silly caching proxy? |
| 09:06:42 | Llorean | LinusN: I've never had such issues before, but I would assume so. |
| 09:07:26 | B4gd3r | or just silly user ;-) |
| 09:08:57 | * | Llorean wonders how to fix such a thing. |
| 09:08:58 | LinusN | most probably :-P |
| 09:09:37 | midgey | you may have to follow "Gigabeat Recovery Procedures" on the Gigabeat wiki page |
| 09:09:40 | Llorean | midgey: Okay, so it does work, including Boostplash. |
| 09:10:01 | Llorean | midgey: No, the Recovery Procedures are for much worse things than what I've done. My Gigabeat is fine. |
| 09:10:01 | * | midgey didn't break anything ;) |
| 09:10:27 | midgey | how do you fix that since you killed off your OF ? |
| 09:10:33 | Llorean | The bootloader has a USB mode. |
| 09:10:48 | Llorean | Or at least, the old one I got did |
| 09:11:08 | Llorean | Yeah, the new one does too |
| 09:11:13 | Llorean | If you hold "Menu" while booting |
| 09:11:33 | Llorean | It enters what they've chosen to call "Rescue Mode" which could just as easily be referred to as "Bootloader USB Mode" like everywhere else does. ;) |
| 09:11:43 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 09:12:10 | Llorean | The only time you need that Recovery Procedure is if you don't have a working Rockbox Bootloader OR a working Original Firmware |
| 09:13:27 | Llorean | LinusN: Okay, if it were some proxy issue, do you know where I'd look to investigate? |
| 09:14:18 | crwl | Llorean, try to add, for example, ?something to the download URL |
| 09:14:37 | crwl | caching proxies (usually) don't cache URLs that have parameters |
| 09:15:28 | Llorean | crwl: Where would the caching proxy be located? I'm not too familiar with such things (and the ? did it, though I'd already successfully downloaded it by using IE instead of FF as a test) |
| 09:15:47 | petur | your ISP? |
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| 09:15:56 | petur | mine caches a lot |
| 09:16:22 | petur | to save on their external bandwidth |
| 09:16:27 | Llorean | petur: If it were my ISP, I'm surprised the exact same link in IE worked. |
| 09:16:43 | Llorean | Then again, it's a file I've never downloaded before, ever, that I received, which suggests to me it can't be a local cache. |
| 09:16:47 | * | Llorean is somewhat confused. |
| 09:16:50 | * | petur didn't follow from the start (and shuts up) |
| 09:17:06 | * | Llorean shrugs |
| 09:17:07 | midgey | hmm, apparently rescue mode doesnt like my dock |
| 09:17:16 | Llorean | midgey: Yeah, it requires a direct connection, no dock. |
| 09:17:35 | Llorean | Anyway, the file works, I got the right one now, it was my own problem preventing it, all is well. :) |
| 09:17:46 | midgey | yep, works fine with a regular usb cable |
| 09:17:53 | Llorean | Except we need to excise the bootsplash and replace it with simply not updating the LCD, like the iPods do. :-P |
| 09:19:31 | * | midgey sleeps |
| 09:25:30 | Lynx_ | So, is there any info available on the Austrian Microsystems visit? The wiki page is unchanged... |
| 09:25:52 | B4gd3r | Lynx_: the most important outcome IMHO, is that we got the data sheet for AS3514 |
| 09:27:23 | Lynx_ | B4gd3r: cool. Did they really want to develop their own player? |
| 09:27:50 | B4gd3r | I don't know much about those parts |
| 09:28:22 | petur | Lynx_: austriancoder was going to write a wiki page about the meeting there |
| 09:28:35 | Lynx_ | ok |
| 09:29:43 | * | GodEater_ *likes* the bootsplash on the gigabeat, and would miss it if it disappeared. |
| 09:30:31 | Llorean | GodEater_: I don't think the bootloader should be loading any files other than the rockbox.target. It should basically be as minimal as it can be to do its necessary tasks. |
| 09:31:03 | GodEater_ | I'm aware of your opinion - I just happen to disagree with it ;) |
| 09:31:05 | * | B4gd3r removed the terms "cooperation with AMS" from the wiki |
| 09:31:07 | Llorean | A splash screen could be added to Rockbox itself if it's a style issue. |
| 09:31:26 | B4gd3r | handing over info is not cooperation imho |
| 09:31:52 | petur | and a dev board... |
| 09:31:58 | GodEater_ | I don't get why they only agreed to send the datasheet to a few individuals though. Surely having the code we've put together having read it makes it pointless to hide the thing |
| 09:32:06 | petur | and talks about porting to their player... |
| 09:32:15 | B4gd3r | I just think that "cooperation" sounds like AMS does something for Rockbox |
| 09:32:38 | Llorean | I'd say we're, at best, in communication with them. |
| 09:32:54 | B4gd3r | yes, hopefully it can turn out to a cooperation |
| 09:33:04 | LinusN | they gave us the datasheet, something every hw company should do |
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| 09:33:49 | LinusN | nothing special about that |
| 09:35:56 | * | linuxstb also thinks that AMS have helped Rockbox less than all the companies that make their datasheets freely available |
| 09:36:13 | LinusN | exactly |
| 09:37:03 | LinusN | they have rather been very unhelpful by having us go to their premises to get the damn info |
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| 09:37:15 | _Amblin | Hello |
| 09:37:22 | B4gd3r | and they've denied NUMEROUS requests for that same info |
| 09:37:29 | LinusN | yup |
| 09:38:24 | _Amblin | Ive installed Rockbox on my E200, have it running for the first time, after refreshing database, is there anything I need to do? |
| 09:38:40 | LinusN | _Amblin: yes, enjoy the music :-) |
| 09:38:54 | B4gd3r | yep, that's a requirement |
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| 09:39:11 | _Amblin | Ah |
| 09:39:26 | _Amblin | Well Im trying to, but not having much sucess |
| 09:39:27 | LinusN | and watch the battery meter go way down :-P |
| 09:39:45 | Llorean | _Amblin: What problem are you having? |
| 09:40:01 | _Amblin | Ive picked some songs I know for a fact are fine and play, try to play them, but nothing happens. |
| 09:40:16 | _Amblin | I have the latest build |
| 09:40:33 | _Amblin | Hm |
| 09:40:51 | _Amblin | Lets see |
| 09:41:07 | _Amblin | The play time (?), does not start when I press the play button to start a song |
| 09:41:18 | _Amblin | it remains at 0:00 |
| 09:41:40 | Llorean | What format is the song? |
| 09:41:52 | _Amblin | Its in MP3 encoded at 320 KBPS |
| 09:42:08 | Llorean | What format are the tags on it? |
| 09:42:16 | _Amblin | They should be ID3 |
| 09:42:25 | _Amblin | I dont use anything else |
| 09:43:12 | _Amblin | I also tried a song that was just freshly encoded from .wma to mp3. |
| 09:43:17 | _Amblin | no joy |
| 09:43:23 | Llorean | The problem you're describing can be caused by nonsupported tags. Do your files have anything like, embedded large album art, or Ape tags? |
| 09:43:36 | _Amblin | album art |
| 09:43:45 | _Amblin | All my files have large album art on them |
| 09:43:55 | _Amblin | Oook |
| 09:44:11 | LinusN | should still work imho |
| 09:44:16 | _Amblin | So, I just find an app to remove the album art, and I shold be fine? |
| 09:44:27 | Llorean | LinusN: It should, but it seems to choke it up in a lot of cases, especially if it's particularly large. |
| 09:44:53 | _Amblin | Yeah, in napster, I chose the "large album art" option |
| 09:45:00 | LinusN | _Amblin: if removing the album art solves the problem, i would like to have one of the problem files for analysis |
| 09:45:11 | _Amblin | no prob |
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| 09:46:47 | LinusN | napster? isn't that a drm thing? |
| 09:47:00 | _Amblin | yes |
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| 09:47:18 | LinusN | but i guess you removed the drm protection from the files? |
| 09:47:21 | _Amblin | FU4WM + WMA to MP3 is a winner |
| 09:47:32 | LinusN | i see |
| 09:47:53 | B4gd3r | transcoding lossy to lossy can hardly be seen as a winner in my eyes |
| 09:48:06 | * | scorche deletes his identical statement |
| 09:48:44 | LinusN | plus supporting drm "services" |
| 09:49:09 | LinusN | makes them think that the whole drm scheme actually works |
| 09:49:41 | Llorean | But we should still be able to play the resultant MP3 of course |
| 09:50:02 | B4gd3r | indeed |
| 09:51:06 | * | scorche decided to look up prices for a flight to sweden ...ouch |
| 09:51:07 | _Amblin | Well actually, they arent getting a cent from me. |
| 09:51:19 | _Amblin | Ive been running for 2 months now off free promo cods |
| 09:51:21 | _Amblin | codes* |
| 09:51:25 | LinusN | _Amblin: watch out, this channel is logged :_) |
| 09:51:38 | _Amblin | hm |
| 09:51:41 | _Amblin | noted. |
| 09:53:07 | scorche | I was expecting around half that price... |
| 09:54:05 | _Amblin | Well, I just tried a file with no drm, no album art, and encoded in good ol mp3, no go. I have double checked I have the latest build with sound support. |
| 09:54:33 | _Amblin | By chance would a full format and reinstall of Rockbox cure this problem? |
| 09:54:43 | B4gd3r | _Amblin: not likely |
| 09:54:44 | LinusN | _Amblin: and you extracted the entire .zip file? |
| 09:54:50 | _Amblin | yes |
| 09:54:59 | _Amblin | .rockbox and the sansa.e200 file |
| 09:55:10 | LinusN | and you have the latest bootloader? |
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| 09:55:15 | _Amblin | Along with the OF.bin into the hidden folder "System" |
| 09:55:15 | B4gd3r | _Amblin: it gets stuck on 0:00 on all songs? |
| 09:55:18 | _Amblin | yes. |
| 09:55:25 | _Amblin | Badger: Yes. |
| 09:55:31 | safetydan | Anyone going to freak out if I remove non-SDL sim support from tools/configure? |
| 09:55:34 | LinusN | odd indeed |
| 09:55:37 | Llorean | _Amblin: When you check the Version in the menu, what does it say? |
| 09:55:44 | LinusN | safetydan: i won't |
| 09:55:54 | LinusN | safetydan: but the build scripts will |
| 09:56:02 | safetydan | ah... now I'm glad I asked :) |
| 09:56:03 | B4gd3r | safetydan: nope, but please give me a moment first if you decide to change the prompt sequence |
| 09:56:16 | _Amblin | Ill check the version. |
| 09:57:14 | _Amblin | Llorean:r12717-070311 |
| 09:57:38 | Llorean | _Amblin: That's ten revisions prior to the one with Sound |
| 09:57:44 | Llorean | _Amblin: You do not have sound support. |
| 09:58:01 | _Amblin | Er |
| 09:58:03 | Llorean | _Amblin: Let me guess, you downloaded from the Daily Build page? |
| 09:58:21 | _Amblin | Yes, I belive so. |
| 09:58:28 | Llorean | That only updates DAILY |
| 09:58:32 | Llorean | Please use the Current Build page. |
| 09:58:37 | _Amblin | I see. |
| 09:59:09 | _Amblin | Well then, my appologies, and thank you. |
| 09:59:51 | safetydan | B4gd3r, this might also be a good time to remove the old prompts for memory size that roolku changed to use the advanced build prompt |
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| 10:01:33 | B4gd3r | yes, that's on my list |
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| 10:11:23 | prex | hi - apologies if answered elsewhere, i don't believe so −− question is −− does rockbox have a "dummy" mode on ipod where storage is accessed via usb or firewire instead of onboard hdd? |
| 10:11:46 | prex | music would be stored on host system, ipod used simply as a controller |
| 10:12:09 | GodEater_ | prex: no it doesn't |
| 10:12:17 | prex | didn't think so ;( |
| 10:12:20 | prex | no chance of it ever? |
| 10:12:27 | prex | looks like no griffin airclick support either |
| 10:12:33 | GodEater_ | we never say never |
| 10:12:37 | Llorean | prex: One day, in the distant future, the iPod might be able to access USB mass storage devices. |
| 10:12:42 | Llorean | But why not store your music on it? |
| 10:13:04 | prex | llorean: i'd like to store more than will fit, need rf remote support, and would like wifi sync |
| 10:13:10 | prex | (application == car) |
| 10:13:24 | Llorean | prex: If you wanted more than an iPod could fit, why'd you buy an iPod? :-P |
| 10:13:26 | GodEater_ | prex: why not buy an empeg ? |
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| 10:13:48 | Llorean | It sounds like your wants from the device don't exactly match the hardware features of it. |
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| 10:14:13 | Kasperle | Llorean: sometimes your demands grow but existing devices don't ;) |
| 10:14:14 | prex | godeater: car head unit is top notch, do not want to touch it, would be bourgeois! |
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| 10:14:28 | prex | llorean: fair enough ... right now i have a really nice solution with the rf remote |
| 10:14:39 | _Amblin | That is a pretty sweet device your dreaming up there prex |
| 10:15:00 | _Amblin | Make it complete with a 100 hour battery and make it double as a mobile game console. :) |
| 10:15:04 | Llorean | prex: As for accessories that use the accessory protocol, such as remotes, those require someone to reverse engineer the whole protocol, which is probably a long way off. |
| 10:15:21 | prex | amblin: roffle ... if rockbox could read from external device, it'd be done and done |
| 10:15:30 | prex | llorean: got it - thanks for the clue |
| 10:15:33 | GodEater_ | don't even think the iPL people have done that, and they've only got one hardware target to work on |
| 10:15:44 | Llorean | prex: Pretty much whether or not Rockbox will be capable of doing things depends on how determined the people who actually want that thing are to get it done for themselves. One day someone will show up who wants it badly enough to go and make it happen. |
| 10:15:57 | prex | godeater: i would gladly switch devices if something else fit reqmts |
| 10:16:09 | prex | llorean: thanks, am well aware of linux hacker determinism, etc |
| 10:16:18 | Kasperle | GodEater_: aside from the fact that the people working on the rockbox/ipod bits seem way more active than the ipl people ;) |
| 10:16:31 | GodEater_ | Kasperle: I didn't like to mention that ;) |
| 10:16:47 | Llorean | prex: Well with Rockbox, the core focus is audio playback. So most development focus from the core goes toward either A) Audio playback, or B) Features that affect all or most devices. |
| 10:17:12 | prex | llorean: got it, thanks |
| 10:17:28 | prex | it looks like really impressive work, esp in the usability area |
| 10:17:46 | prex | audio control is very cool, apple is funny for acting like they do so much for their users yet leave out blind people |
| 10:18:35 | _Amblin | Not wise to have blind people walking the streets of a major city, while listening to an iPod. :) |
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| 10:19:08 | prex | heh |
| 10:19:15 | B4gd3r | no, much better to have them use good old walkmans |
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| 10:19:19 | B4gd3r | :-P |
| 10:19:24 | prex | not wise to have me driving down the streets of a major city, while looking at an ipod |
| 10:20:57 | prex | thanks for your time, have a good night/day |
| 10:20:59 | prex | i appreciate it |
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| 10:28:28 | safetydan | B4gd3r, what's the easiest way to get these configure script changes added? Should I just stick them in flyspray and let you add them when you're ready? |
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| 10:30:19 | _Amblin | Sound :) |
| 10:30:30 | _Amblin | Somehow got yesterday's build mixed up with todays. |
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| 10:31:25 | B4gd3r | safetydan: yeah, I think that would be the beset |
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| 10:34:05 | safetydan | B4gd3r, done. FS #6802 |
| 10:34:25 | B4gd3r | goodie |
| 10:37:06 | safetydan | woo, speex devs accepted my warnings fixes |
| 10:37:14 | preglow | and all rejoiced! |
| 10:37:38 | * | B4gd3r got a fun idea on how to turn R-sansa into vanilla ones |
| 10:38:06 | B4gd3r | now we just need a fearless soul to test it |
| 10:38:31 | * | _Amblin runs out and steals a e250R |
| 10:39:31 | scorche | what is this idea, o 1337ful one? |
| 10:39:42 | Llorean | My ex-girlfriend has a e260R but I know she won't let me test anything that risks permanent harm. |
| 10:39:52 | LinusN | scratch the "R" away from the plastic |
| 10:39:58 | preglow | B4gd3r: how do the ml mails tell my server the mails are to me? the to: field just specifies the list address? |
| 10:40:04 | Llorean | LinusN: Brilliant! |
| 10:40:41 | scorche | haha....i can just imagine calling up an ex: "Hi...can i use your mp3 player for testing?" |
| 10:40:52 | B4gd3r | preglow: the server hands the specific address to the mail server |
| 10:41:07 | preglow | B4gd3r: doesn't seem like it's available for me to filter by :/ |
| 10:41:20 | B4gd3r | preglow: no, it can be tricky to filter on |
| 10:41:36 | preglow | the delivered-to address is not what i want |
| 10:41:36 | B4gd3r | you should then rather filter on deliveries from the specific list or similar |
| 10:41:42 | preglow | yeah, probably should |
| 10:41:45 | Llorean | scorche: She and I are still on good terms. She was willing to let me test some things on it, but our schedules never aligned for me to borrow it, and now all that has been tested. |
| 10:41:54 | preglow | i'm still a procmail n00b, so i'll just look for a bit |
| 10:42:23 | B4gd3r | I'll hand you a rule, hang on |
| 10:42:38 | Kasperle | you can filter by "List-Id: ..." |
| 10:43:05 | B4gd3r | yeah, or X-BeenThere |
| 10:43:29 | B4gd3r | * ^X-BeenThere: rockbox.*@cool.haxx.se |
| 10:44:06 | preglow | how does procmail string the rules together? if any match, it delivers to what target i specify? or do all need to match? |
| 10:44:56 | B4gd3r | you mean with several rules specified after each other? |
| 10:45:09 | preglow | yeah, * ^regexhere \n * ^moreregexhere \n |
| 10:45:13 | preglow | then a target |
| 10:46:52 | B4gd3r | that equals a logical AND |
| 10:47:23 | preglow | yeah, figured |
| 10:47:26 | preglow | how to make it an or? |
| 10:47:28 | _Amblin | Is the person who wrote the manual for the e200 present? |
| 10:47:31 | preglow | need to string it all on one line? |
| 10:48:05 | B4gd3r | preglow: either you or with (one|two) or you make use of the flags for the rules |
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| 10:48:25 | B4gd3r | _Amblin: that's not written by a single person |
| 10:48:38 | _Amblin | Ok. |
| 10:48:50 | B4gd3r | most of the manual is also shared for all targets |
| 10:49:03 | _Amblin | I see. |
| 10:49:48 | _Amblin | You know of the "System" folder in which you are supposed to place the OF.bin? |
| 10:50:13 | B4gd3r | know of? |
| 10:50:26 | B4gd3r | what's there to know? |
| 10:50:30 | _Amblin | The System folder is by default hidden. |
| 10:50:42 | B4gd3r | ok |
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| 10:51:27 | _Amblin | And I had a heck of a time trying to find it. If someone could write in the method to make hidden files visable from Windows Explorer, I bet it would be a help to people who find themselves in the same position I was in. |
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| 10:53:20 | B4gd3r | perhaps I should dig up my sansa and put rockbox on it ;-) |
| 10:53:47 | preglow | haha, you have a sansa with no rockbox? :PP |
| 10:53:51 | Llorean | It's still got a little ways to go before it's at the same level as the iPod ports. |
| 10:54:34 | LinusN | Llorean: and i wouldn't say that the ipod port is especially good either |
| 10:54:38 | markun | I think the DAC's .h file should have some defines like AUDIOHW_HAVE_BALANCE because the code is becoming a mess this way, don't you guys agree? |
| 10:54:51 | B4gd3r | markun: I completely agree |
| 10:55:10 | B4gd3r | some of those #if lines are horrible |
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| 10:55:52 | Llorean | LinusN: Yeah, and since the Sansa is a portalplayer it unfortunately has that as a starting point. But the LCD driver is... I dunno... funky. There's some strange flickering when I use it that I haven't seen on any other target. |
| 10:56:10 | LinusN | i see |
| 10:56:14 | markun | B4gd3r: it makes it very hard to add a new target |
| 10:56:49 | Llorean | And the scrollwheel is less responsive than it is on my Nano, at least. But I think now that audio's working, interest will grow. |
| 10:57:13 | B4gd3r | yeah |
| 10:57:24 | B4gd3r | I expect the sansa port to become quite used |
| 10:57:30 | markun | B4gd3r: also, there are some #else defines in the code which are sometimes the archos targets or irivers and are also not really nice when adding a new port |
| 10:57:34 | preglow | markun: you mean in sound.c ? |
| 10:57:34 | B4gd3r | due to the availablity of the sansas |
| 10:57:40 | B4gd3r | and their competitive pricing |
| 10:57:48 | markun | preglow: yes |
| 10:57:54 | preglow | sound.c really is a bitch, yes |
| 10:57:57 | Kasperle | i'm trying to talk my girlfriend into buying a sansa ;) |
| 10:58:14 | preglow | i tried do do some refactoring of it to make it more straightforward, but failed the first attempt |
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| 10:58:17 | _Amblin | Make her buy an R type ;) |
| 10:58:23 | B4gd3r | hahaha |
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| 10:58:31 | Llorean | B4gd3r: At least with Audio working I can now recommend it when someone asks for a flash based rockbox player. |
| 10:58:33 | Kasperle | what's the deal with those? |
| 10:58:38 | B4gd3r | Llorean: indeed |
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| 10:58:56 | B4gd3r | Kasperle: R is for Rhapsody, Real's music DRM stuff and we don't run Rockbox on those (yet) |
| 10:59:24 | Kasperle | oh, ok |
| 10:59:48 | markun | preglow: sound.h includes the correct header file for each DAC so we can easily add the defines to those header files, right? |
| 10:59:55 | preglow | sure, should |
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| 11:00:09 | preglow | i'd also like all the mas code in sound.c to be put in a file of its own |
| 11:00:17 | preglow | all the tables and shit are quite unnecessarily placed |
| 11:00:46 | amiconn | _Amblin: Making hidden files visible in windows explorer just requires enabling an option |
| 11:00:58 | * | amiconn has that option always enabled |
| 11:01:10 | _Amblin | I know. |
| 11:01:33 | _Amblin | Least I know now. |
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| 11:02:08 | markun | preglow: I had planned to clean up the sound file, but after renaming some functions I forgot about it again |
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| 11:02:42 | _Amblin | Somehow I had gotten it into my head that the e200's system folder was hard locked and you could only access it with a certain application. |
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| 11:03:22 | _Amblin | Then I remembered the windows explorer option to make visable hidden folders. |
| 11:04:27 | B4gd3r | _Amblin: if you boot into the OF again, does it re-hide the system folder? |
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| 11:04:53 | _Amblin | Ill check that |
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| 11:05:38 | B4gd3r | oh, if you didn't unhide it you won't see a difference of course |
| 11:05:39 | markun | what about creating some more subdirectories in firmware/drivers like 'lcd' and 'sound' ? |
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| 11:07:08 | _Amblin | System folder is still visable |
| 11:07:32 | _Amblin | After booting into OF, turning the player off, then booting into OF again |
| 11:08:18 | _Amblin | Going to try out the mpeg player now. :) |
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| 11:13:29 | LinusN | hmmm, just found a nasty bug with the talk clip playback |
| 11:13:58 | LinusN | it seems to crash if the last playback codec is not MP3 |
| 11:15:05 | amiconn | Speaking about talk clips: There will be a problem if we switch to speex for the voice files on swcodec (which, by itself, is a good idea): |
| 11:15:11 | nls | LinusN: re voice: do you think FS #6159 should go in soon, i'd like it to be done before the lang cleanup if it's going to be comitted at all that is |
| 11:15:28 | amiconn | The talk clips will then need to be in speex format as well |
| 11:15:48 | amiconn | Otherwise voice would need 2 different codecs |
| 11:16:18 | LinusN | well, looks like talk clip playback crashes if the playback codec is not mp3 |
| 11:16:31 | LinusN | amiconn: is that a problem? |
| 11:17:03 | amiconn | Dunno... speex encoders aren't that widely used (yet), and speex is specialised for voice |
| 11:17:45 | LinusN | yes, that's why we would use it for voice |
| 11:17:52 | LinusN | no point otherwise |
| 11:18:07 | preglow | i don't see a problem in any of that |
| 11:18:13 | LinusN | me neither |
| 11:18:15 | amiconn | The .talk clips don't necessarily need to be voice |
| 11:18:27 | LinusN | nls: i have totally forgotten about that patch |
| 11:18:43 | amiconn | And I don't know how difficult it would be to addd dual codec support to the voice thread |
| 11:18:45 | preglow | amiconn: why would you want them not to be? |
| 11:18:59 | LinusN | amiconn: are you aware of anyone not having speech in the .talk clips? |
| 11:19:01 | preglow | come on, this is ".TALK" clips here |
| 11:19:05 | nls | LinusN: it seems like a good one and it messes with the lang file :-) |
| 11:19:12 | nls | gtg |
| 11:19:13 | preglow | the intended use is for speech |
| 11:19:59 | amiconn | Another point would be that voicebox needs to know whether it is generating clips for swcodec or hwocdec |
| 11:20:08 | amiconn | Iirc it already does that though |
| 11:22:13 | Llorean | Even if someone didn't want voice in their .talk clips, speex can accommodate non-voice, it just won't sound very good. I think that's something they can just choose to deal with. |
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| 11:29:38 | LinusN | Llorean: agreed |
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| 11:32:42 | decayedcell | hmm I've been able to reproduce omega21's rebooting during charge bug |
| 11:32:54 | LinusN | what is that? |
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| 11:33:13 | decayedcell | I plugged in my iPod into the AC charger, chose database mode, and played a song in WPS |
| 11:33:37 | decayedcell | pausing the song in WPS also seems to trigger it. After a while, when the battery has charged to 100% the iPod will reboot itself |
| 11:35:50 | LinusN | cool! :-) |
| 11:37:02 | decayedcell | also, I think the database mode bug has crept up again |
| 11:37:28 | decayedcell | choosing database mode, then play a song in WPS. Pressing select should bring you back to the artist/album file tree, instead it opens File View |
| 11:38:04 | JdGordon | it does? :( |
| 11:38:37 | JdGordon | selecting a song from the db view and then proessing select in the wps takes you to the file browser? |
| 11:38:44 | decayedcell | yes |
| 11:38:50 | decayedcell | it was happening a few days earlier |
| 11:39:02 | decayedcell | but preglow? I think temporarily fixed it |
| 11:39:18 | decayedcell | he said it was to do with his auto-init database changes |
| 11:39:32 | JdGordon | bugger, I thought that was fixed... it was pondlife doing that |
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| 11:39:34 | Llorean | pondlife, I though |
| 11:39:37 | Llorean | Yeah. |
| 11:40:07 | decayedcell | R12686 was when it was reverted and that fixed it for me |
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| 11:40:30 | JdGordon | damn, I dont thiknk I can reuse the current scroll settings for the list acceleration :( |
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| 11:48:34 | * | safetydan needs a faster computer |
| 11:48:39 | safetydan | takes to long to recompile things |
| 11:48:44 | safetydan | too long even |
| 11:49:44 | preglow | decayedcell: i have nothing to do with the database... |
| 11:52:14 | nls | hmmm, what do I need to "make voice" it tells me that voicesettings.sh is missing but where do I get that? |
| 11:52:43 | B4gd3r | nls: did you run configure and ask for voice? |
| 11:53:13 | nls | B4gd3r: hmm, guess not... |
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| 11:55:02 | decayedcell | preglow yeah I know but it was just the first name that came to my head soz |
| 11:55:26 | JdGordon | Llorean: (or anyone), whats a good name for the setting that controlls how long between acceleration increases? |
| 11:55:35 | miw | Hello. Are the instructions on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment still correct? Specially, the Step 3: Select the Rockbox mirror site and install? |
| 11:55:44 | dukeman | JdGordon: Warp spacing? |
| 11:55:50 | dukeman | ^^ |
| 11:55:59 | miw | I can't find the specified packages. |
| 11:56:06 | nls | meh, Error: Festival not started |
| 11:56:10 | JdGordon | the setting is... every Xms the number of items skipped increases... |
| 11:56:41 | dukeman | So it has a certain.. "Accelleration" to it? |
| 11:57:26 | JdGordon | "List Acceleration Speed" ? |
| 11:57:43 | Llorean | JdGordon: List Scroll Increase? |
| 11:57:43 | dukeman | Is the list accellerating or is the scrolling? |
| 11:57:43 | Kasperle | da/dt |
| 11:57:51 | dukeman | Kasperle has it |
| 11:57:53 | nls | JdGordon: do we need a setting for it? |
| 11:58:02 | JdGordon | apparently we do :p |
| 11:58:11 | Kasperle | dukeman: :D |
| 11:58:12 | JdGordon | unless we just need one setting to enable the wole thing? |
| 11:58:19 | JdGordon | whole* |
| 11:58:20 | miw | I also can't run rockboxdev.sh under cygwin (some errors are displayed) |
| 11:58:41 | B4gd3r | miw: normally that's a sign of line ending problems |
| 11:59:40 | nls | B4gd3r: I'm getting "socket: bind failed" "Error: Festival not started" now :-( |
| 11:59:46 | nls | and festival is installed |
| 11:59:58 | B4gd3r | sounds like a problem with festival |
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| 12:00:05 | miw | B4gd3r: my cygwin env is setup with DOS line endings so that I can edit files with other win editors. Never had a problem until now. I wanted to update my rb tools. |
| 12:00:18 | B4gd3r | nls: it has worked for me in the past, haven't tried it recently |
| 12:00:26 | Kasperle | JdGordon: are you going to literally use milliseconds for that setting? or just a unitless "acceleration factor"? |
| 12:00:38 | B4gd3r | miw: the problem is that bash doesn't like dos newlines |
| 12:00:43 | nls | B4gd3r: ok, i'll dig around some more |
| 12:01:07 | miw | B4gd3r: the first error message is "gmake: Command not found." |
| 12:01:07 | nls | anyone using ubuntu and managed to make a voice fiel using festivl? |
| 12:01:22 | Kasperle | miw: did you install "make" in cygwin? |
| 12:01:40 | B4gd3r | nls: the gmake error message is just a stupid check that doesn't hide the error message properly |
| 12:01:40 | miw | Kasperle: I think yes since I can build RB |
| 12:02:10 | JdGordon | Kasperle: atm its ms... but I could do either.. |
| 12:02:11 | B4gd3r | gmake is a *bsdism |
| 12:02:12 | miw | Kasperle: What is not found is Gmake |
| 12:02:14 | Llorean | JdGordon: If there's just an on/off it could be "Scroll Line Skip" Yes/No |
| 12:02:27 | JdGordon | really either way its *HZ/2 |
| 12:02:48 | JdGordon | Llorean: the start delay is the important settting I tinhk |
| 12:02:51 | B4gd3r | miw: yes but gmake is not required |
| 12:02:57 | B4gd3r | gmake _or_ make is |
| 12:03:02 | Llorean | JdGordon: Probably true. |
| 12:03:40 | Kasperle | you could use an exponential scale |
| 12:03:58 | Kasperle | dunno if that would work out |
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| 12:05:11 | miw | B4gd3r: I have make. I think gmake is called from another script. I tried to set make to "make" explicitly in rockboxdev.sh and that didn't help |
| 12:05:12 | amiconn | You mean similar to how the seeking acceleration works? |
| 12:05:18 | decayedcell | or logarithmic maybe |
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| 12:05:58 | B4gd3r | miw: as I said (but directed it wrongly to nls) the gmake error is just a check for gmake that isn't done in an elegant way and doesn't indicate any actual problem, afaik |
| 12:06:00 | JdGordon | the seek accel doubles every X sec which is way to fast for the list |
| 12:06:51 | miw | B4gd3r: aha, ok. I'll try with UNIX line endings then |
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| 12:06:59 | decayedcell | i wonder how the Apple Firmware does it |
| 12:07:27 | JdGordon | that goes by the speed of the wheel... which we cant do just yet |
| 12:07:37 | * | JdGordon is doing this for all targets except the ipods :p |
| 12:08:21 | * | decayedcell awwwww |
| 12:08:28 | amiconn | Hmm? |
| 12:08:41 | amiconn | Afaik the wheel events do tell the delta... |
| 12:09:10 | JdGordon | but I'm going by the action driver and it saying when an action was repeated |
| 12:09:23 | JdGordon | we can change that for the wheel targets tho |
| 12:09:43 | Kasperle | maybe one could try something like (1 + some very small x)^(scaled time). but i have no idea how that would feel in practice |
| 12:10:02 | Kasperle | maybe add a "cut off value", too |
| 12:11:06 | JdGordon | HZ/2 should show 500... shouldnt it? |
| 12:11:23 | safetydan | hrmm... speex stereo decoding works if you play a mono speex file first... weird |
| 12:12:07 | B4gd3r | JdGordon: not likely if HZ is 100... |
| 12:12:23 | JdGordon | :p /me knew that |
| 12:12:34 | * | JdGordon blames tv |
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| 12:16:23 | markun | JdGordon: I made a test plugin to calculate the x and y coordinates and a 'pressure' value for the Gigabeat, would be nice if some of it could be used for scrolling acceleration |
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| 12:17:15 | JdGordon | well, If we can get some mostly generic way of getting this value from all available targets we could do this easily |
| 12:17:41 | markun | yes, also the H10 slider |
| 12:17:47 | JdGordon | the only code that would need changing is the check to decide to increase/decrease the step size |
| 12:18:42 | markun | I would prefer it if no code had to be changed, but just a function in the button driver and a define in the config file |
| 12:19:23 | JdGordon | well, atm the step is increaed after Xms if the same action keeps getting returned... |
| 12:19:36 | JdGordon | so a slightly different aproach will be needed for the slider targets |
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| 12:22:50 | JdGordon | speed control seems to be working :) |
| 12:25:05 | JdGordon | the damn setting added 200bytes :( |
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| 12:29:39 | JdGordon | so umm.... is there any objection to this patch? |
| 12:29:50 | JdGordon | I took the ipod code out because it didnt work |
| 12:30:08 | Llorean | JdGordon: Maybe post the newest version on Flyspray and give it a couple days for the main guys to test out. |
| 12:30:19 | Llorean | Modifying the core controls is something that can be taken a bit slowly |
| 12:30:47 | JdGordon | meh |
| 12:37:19 | * | safetydan gives up on speex stereo decoding for the night |
| 12:37:49 | safetydan | Silly thing. Must be some init step that's stuffed up since it works if you play a mono file first. |
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| 12:43:09 | * | nls curses festival |
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| 12:51:35 | GodEater_ | amen to cursing festival - doesn't work here either |
| 12:51:49 | LinusN | worked for me |
| 12:51:56 | GodEater_ | not with Rockbox anyway - I have no festival_client installed, and no clue where to get it |
| 12:52:11 | B4gder | I just apt-geted it and it worked |
| 12:52:31 | LinusN | but for some reason, the generated voice file gets a nasty noice tail on each clip |
| 12:52:36 | LinusN | noise |
| 12:52:37 | B4gder | or is it "apt-got" ? ;-) |
| 12:52:54 | LinusN | :-) |
| 12:53:00 | Llorean | I thought Rockbox supported other FATs than FAT32. It appears Sansas can be FAT16 (I think) |
| 12:53:04 | B4gder | LinusN: possibly that's the trim thing that doesn't work correctly |
| 12:53:08 | Llorean | Is it a compile-time option? |
| 12:53:13 | B4gder | Llorean: yes |
| 12:53:22 | Llorean | B4gder: We should probably enable it for the Sansa then. |
| 12:53:31 | B4gder | but I thought we alrady had that enabled for sansa... |
| 12:53:34 | LinusN | B4gder: possibly |
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| 12:54:14 | GodEater_ | emerge doesn't seem to build a festival-client binary |
| 12:54:31 | Llorean | B4gder: I'll ask him to update first, it may be that his bootloader being outdated is the problem |
| 12:54:32 | GodEater_ | which version of festival is in debian ? |
| 12:54:56 | B4gder | Llorean: yeah, and it makes me wonder if the bootloader I uploaded has that enabled or not... |
| 12:55:23 | B4gder | GodEater_: 1.4.3 |
| 12:57:31 | Llorean | B4gder: Well his was from December from the looks of it. |
| 12:57:39 | nls | hmm, flite worked like a charm :-) |
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| 13:02:19 | * | amiconn spots a nice buildzip update in svn :-) |
| 13:03:28 | B4gder | Llorean: ah, and fat16 was added 2007-02-04... |
| 13:03:39 | B4gder | amiconn: enjoy! :-) |
| 13:03:58 | Llorean | B4gder: Alright, so he should be fine when he updates to the newer bootloader. |
| 13:04:06 | B4gder | yes |
| 13:04:16 | amiconn | LinusN: Do you think dropping tools/generate_rocklatin support would be a problem? |
| 13:04:53 | B4gder | Llorean: I'll try to update the bootloader on download.rockbox.org soon |
| 13:05:15 | amiconn | I want to unicodify and extend the player lcd driver (and move appropriate parts to target tree), so there won't be 'rocklatin' anymore |
| 13:05:44 | Llorean | B4gder: The one here: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200/ is dated 25 Feb anyway |
| 13:05:59 | B4gder | ah, ok I misunderstood |
| 13:06:04 | LinusN | amiconn: go ahead, i don't see any problems |
| 13:06:12 | Llorean | B4gder: But there is one in http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/ for some reason |
| 13:06:33 | Llorean | And that's the one the SansaE200install page links. Gotcha |
| 13:06:39 | * | Llorean fixes that |
| 13:07:09 | amiconn | LinusN: My changes will hopefully make it easier to keep player support. All bitmap lcd functions which make some sense on charcell as well will be there |
| 13:07:12 | B4gder | Llorean: its the same image, so the date is just when I copied it into the subfolder |
| 13:07:22 | amiconn | (like setting margins, lcd_getstringsize etc) |
| 13:07:31 | LinusN | amiconn: interesting |
| 13:07:38 | Llorean | B4gder: Ah, gotcha. Well then an update would be appreciated, and removal of the one in /sandisk-sansa/ :) |
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| 13:07:55 | amiconn | They will just calculate based on a fixed 1x1 "pixel" font |
| 13:07:55 | B4gder | Llorean: the reason it is in two places is that it was in the "root" first until I made the e200R folder |
| 13:08:07 | Llorean | B4gder: I assumed that was it. |
| 13:08:21 | Llorean | Just didn't realize they were both the same. |
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| 13:13:09 | * | nls tries out the menu voice for the first time and is impressed :-) |
| 13:13:49 | nls | LinusN: I think I'll try to sync that voice patch later this week unless someone else does it of course :-) |
| 13:14:04 | LinusN | nls: goodie |
| 13:15:33 | JdGordon | which voice patch? |
| 13:15:47 | B4gder | Llorean: sansa bootloader updated, and now only in a single place |
| 13:15:56 | Llorean | B4gder: Thank you. |
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| 13:18:22 | nls | JdGordon: FS #6159 |
| 13:20:06 | JdGordon | wasnt the problem with that one that it made the voice file too large or the archos? |
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| 13:23:08 | GodEater_ | 1.4.3 seems a little old for festival - I appear to have version 1.95 installed |
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| 13:27:39 | * | preglow suddenly almost all his home directory is wiped out... |
| 13:27:43 | preglow | sees too |
| 13:28:18 | preglow | time to bloody discover how well xfs can do error checking |
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| 13:31:22 | preglow | gahahah, i need to stop using computers :/// |
| 13:32:04 | JdGordon | petur: you said Tripel Karmeliet was the bloody amasing beer yeah? |
| 13:33:18 | petur | yup |
| 13:33:36 | petur | depens on your taste though ;) |
| 13:34:05 | petur | not bloody amasing but pretty good 8) |
| 13:34:30 | JdGordon | 10.50 for 330ml.. it better be |
| 13:34:36 | petur | wow |
| 13:34:41 | * | JdGordon just found out about a belgium beer garden 10min from my house! |
| 13:34:52 | JdGordon | lost of expensive imported beer |
| 13:34:57 | JdGordon | lost even |
| 13:35:01 | JdGordon | lots eeven |
| 13:35:03 | JdGordon | :p |
| 13:35:14 | petur | hahaha too much beer already :p |
| 13:35:32 | preglow | something seems to have wiped every visible file in my home dir...... |
| 13:35:53 | JdGordon | 6.22 Euro's says google |
| 13:36:13 | petur | damn expensive! |
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| 13:43:08 | preglow | sweet god, how i love svn |
| 13:44:19 | amiconn | Bagder: Hmm, something seems to be fishy with this new buildzip.pl, at least on cygwin. |
| 13:44:40 | amiconn | Looks like it works correctly, but it outputs "cat: gcctemp: Permission denied" twice |
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| 13:53:50 | B4gder | hm |
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| 13:57:43 | PaulJam | Hi, little question: is stop supposed to stop playback inside the menu of a plugin? (i don't have my cable here, so i can't test if this happens with the svn build too) |
| 13:57:54 | B4gder | amiconn: try my updates and see |
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| 13:59:14 | JdGordon | PaulJam: yes |
| 13:59:26 | JdGordon | well.. not in plugins.. but its all the same code |
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| 14:00:37 | PaulJam | but when you accidently stop playback in a plugin you can't resume playback without leaving the plugin |
| 14:01:06 | Llorean | So be careful, or do a feature request for the plugins to include playback controls. |
| 14:01:23 | Llorean | Several of them already do, though I don't believe the current set of playback controls includes a "Resume" option yet. |
| 14:04:00 | JdGordon | it doesnt? |
| 14:05:26 | Llorean | JdGordon: I'm pretty sure it only has Pause/Play |
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| 14:06:20 | JdGordon | there is a play/ pause option.. butt that doesnt resume by the looks of it |
| 14:06:20 | * | JdGordon gets to work :p |
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| 14:06:44 | JdGordon | not anymore.... |
| 14:06:47 | JdGordon | simple fix :D |
| 14:06:50 | * | JdGordon tihnks |
| 14:07:53 | JdGordon | hurry up stupid gcc! |
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| 14:10:07 | PaulJam | i yust noticed an unusual behaviour with the playback controls in plugins: if you stop playback in a plugin and then select the "play/pause" entry and leave the plugin, the rockbox main menu shows "now playing" even though playback is still stopped. |
| 14:10:39 | JdGordon | becuase that option pauses... not stops |
| 14:10:45 | JdGordon | and the fix wasnt so simple :( |
| 14:11:52 | amiconn | Bagder: 'permission denied' is gone, thanks |
| 14:12:11 | JdGordon | playlist_resume() isnt in the plugin api... |
| 14:12:18 | PaulJam | JdGordon: I meant if you first select "stop playback" and then "play/pause" |
| 14:12:28 | Llorean | PaulJam: Because it's not "Resume" |
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| 14:14:37 | PaulJam | but in my opinion the root menu should show "resume playback" instead of "now playing" since the statusbar shows the stopped icon. |
| 14:15:20 | JdGordon | 2nd attempt.... |
| 14:19:30 | preglow | and there my entire linux install exploded |
| 14:19:33 | preglow | fuck this |
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| 14:21:08 | SofRaZorbacK | Hi all. i've just registered on the wiki in order to upload some voice files but I need write access. Is there someone who could help out there? |
| 14:21:09 | cram | Hm... I see the http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6799. Is it a rest of the recent manipulations with the list/plugin code? |
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| 14:23:22 | GodEater_ | SofRaZorbacK: what's your wiki name ? |
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| 14:23:34 | JdGordon | cram: i tried reproducinf that but couldnt |
| 14:23:42 | SofRaZorbacK | yes its my wiki name |
| 14:24:14 | GodEater_ | *what* is you wiki name ? |
| 14:24:21 | SofRaZorbacK | SofRaZorbacK is my wiki name |
| 14:24:31 | GodEater_ | then you didn't read the terms and conditions properly |
| 14:24:36 | GodEater_ | it has to be your real name |
| 14:25:27 | GodEater_ | Have a look at Important Note 2 again on the registration page |
| 14:25:28 | SofRaZorbacK | ok GodEater so could i modifiy now or would I have to register myself again? |
| 14:25:28 | JdGordon | audio doesnt like being started from inside plugins for some reason :( |
| 14:25:39 | GodEater_ | you have to register properly |
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| 14:26:20 | SofRaZorbacK | k |
| 14:27:00 | SofRaZorbacK | some ppl don't have the real name registered on the wiki :( |
| 14:27:13 | SofRaZorbacK | anyway i will come bac. thx |
| 14:27:35 | GodEater_ | those people don't have write access, and when we notice them, will not have an account at all |
| 14:28:13 | SofRaZorbacK | dan_A is no really a real name :) |
| 14:28:26 | GodEater_ | that's not his wiki name |
| 14:28:29 | JdGordon | he is special |
| 14:28:37 | GodEater_ | isn't he down as DanielAnkers ? |
| 14:28:39 | SofRaZorbacK | but it's not a prob no worries just a bit parano and use not to give my real name on the net :) |
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| 14:29:09 | * | GodEater_ checks. Yes, he's down as DanielAnkers |
| 14:29:26 | SofRaZorbacK | ho maybe i confused wiki name and real name |
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| 14:29:55 | SofRaZorbacK | ok thanks for the help |
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| 14:30:21 | GodEater_ | As soon as you've registered properly, let me know your wiki name and I'll give you write access. |
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| 14:31:12 | SofRaZorbacK | you may have to delete this account so (SofRaZorbacK |
| 14:31:32 | GodEater_ | I'll get one of the admins to do that |
| 14:31:38 | * | GodEater_ looks round for one |
| 14:32:15 | * | B4gder moves silently |
| 14:32:41 | * | GodEater_ is thoroughly deafened from over exposure to Rockbox and doesn't hear him. |
| 14:33:10 | * | Llorean told someone we required real word, and asked them not to use "u" so they told me they were "sry" |
| 14:33:14 | Llorean | words |
| 14:33:24 | JdGordon | anyone know which plugins use the playback control menu? waiting for sudoku to compile is painful |
| 14:33:37 | Llorean | JdGordon: Only one I know for certain is Bejeweled. |
| 14:33:51 | GodEater_ | it amazes me the number of people that come on our forums and apologise for their english - when it exceeds the quality used by a lot of "native" english speakers |
| 14:34:07 | pixelma | jpeg viewer has it too (for swcodec)... |
| 14:34:09 | iwantanimac | JdGordon: viewer... |
| 14:34:13 | iwantanimac | lol |
| 14:34:18 | iwantanimac | too late =P |
| 14:35:21 | SofRaZorbacK | GodEater, Done! my new wiki name is SofianBabai |
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| 14:37:16 | SofRaZorbacK | I'm going to upload a new french voice files for the daily builds since the menu structure has changed :) |
| 14:37:29 | GodEater_ | SofRaZorbacK: Done - you have access. |
| 14:37:49 | SofRaZorbacK | thanks! |
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| 14:40:49 | SofRaZorbacK | GodEater to upàload a voice file need I to use the 'attach option on the wiki page dedicated to voice files? |
| 14:41:02 | GodEater_ | correct |
| 14:41:11 | SofRaZorbacK | k. |
| 14:42:06 | JdGordon | bah, pauljam left |
| 14:42:16 | JdGordon | anyway, its fixed |
| 14:42:28 | GodEater_ | SofRaZorbacK: Use the preview feature a lot until you get the page looking right if you've not edited a TWiki before :) |
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| 14:44:30 | LinusN | SofianBabai, i guess |
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| 14:44:55 | * | LinusN hit enter by mistake :-) |
| 14:45:25 | GodEater_ | so long as you don't that at a 'rm -rf /' prompt too often - we'll let you off |
| 14:45:28 | B4gder | that's what falling asleep over the keyboard can do! |
| 14:45:52 | B4gder | thank god you wear that helmet at all times |
| 14:46:02 | * | B4gder giggles |
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| 14:47:41 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 14:51:43 | JdGordon | green table :) gnite folks |
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| 15:02:00 | Nico_P | GodEater: There are some wiki accounts that have fake names |
| 15:02:19 | Llorean | Nico_P: Are they in the Users Group? |
| 15:02:49 | Nico_P | Llorean: a MadsMichelsen person edited the album art page, so i suppose he is, yes |
| 15:02:59 | Nico_P | and i doubt it's his real name :) |
| 15:04:14 | Llorean | Nico_P: If you feel a name is not a real name, you can remove them from the access list fairly easily. |
| 15:04:48 | Nico_P | Llorean: ok |
| 15:05:24 | Nico_P | actually i might be wrong on this one because the spelling isn't quite the same and the guy has done nothing wrong |
| 15:05:34 | markun | Nico_P: There are a few people called Mads Michelsen, do you think it's very uncommon name? |
| 15:05:59 | Nico_P | but it's not the first time i find names suspicious :) |
| 15:06:15 | Nico_P | markun: i'm not very aware of how common it is |
| 15:06:24 | desowin | shouldn't rockbox tkwiki 'get bumped' to 2007 ? It still says "Copyright © 1999-2006 by the contributing authors." |
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| 15:29:06 | * | Llorean wishes people would actually _do_ the "Give up if you don't understand any of these instructions" bit of the Sansa install. |
| 15:33:42 | markun | Llorean: just read your conversation with Parkinson :) |
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| 15:41:55 | Llorean | The Sansas are remarkably easy to almost-brick. |
| 15:42:30 | dukeman | Has anybody else seen the thing where the e200 rockbox bootloader starts fading to some kind of deep purple? |
| 15:42:33 | dukeman | Scary shit |
| 15:42:48 | Llorean | dukeman: That seems to be a side effect of the early state of the code. |
| 15:42:59 | dan_a | dukeman: Lots of times - just turn off and on again, you'll be fine |
| 15:42:59 | dukeman | okay |
| 15:43:09 | Llorean | dukeman: If you're scared by something as simple as unexpected LCD behaviour, you might not want to be running early development firmware. :-P |
| 15:43:11 | dukeman | yes, no real problem |
| 15:43:26 | dukeman | Not scary as in "Omg! B0rked!" |
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| 15:43:44 | dukeman | Scary as in "The elevator doors slid open, releasing a wave of blood into the hallway" |
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| 15:45:33 | dukeman | Speaking of LCD behaviour and such, are there different ways to draw on the display (Perhaps a sansa-only question, haven't tried rockbox on any others) ? |
| 15:46:03 | dukeman | It seems that the plasma plugin does an incredible job at animating and whatnot, and so does the fire thing |
| 15:46:37 | dukeman | Meanwhile most other things seem to be drawing at slower rates |
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| 15:47:10 | dukeman | Is there some magical accellerated drawing mode that they use, or is it just "Make me a bitmap, flip it onto the screen" ? |
| 15:47:17 | markun | dukeman: I think the other place where drawing is done differently is in the MpegPlayer |
| 15:47:26 | markun | s/other/only/ |
| 15:47:33 | dukeman | okay |
| 15:48:07 | dukeman | Then how come you see the image updating in menus, some games and so on but not in certain others (That one would expect take more oompf to draw) ? |
| 15:48:21 | Llorean | dukeman: Also, you're assuming the place the slowdown is happening is the drawing, rather than any preparation of what is to be drawn. |
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| 15:48:31 | dukeman | True |
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| 15:54:38 | dukeman | If you don't mind me asking more stupid questions, how come in the Background\Foreground color selection screens R and B have 31 steps while G has 63? |
| 15:55:16 | Llorean | Because the human eye is more sensitive to Green changes. Since 16 bit doesn't divide evenly by 3, 5 6 5 is the most common with G getting the 6 bits |
| 15:55:38 | dukeman | Whoa |
| 15:55:48 | dukeman | I'll just stay quiet ^^ |
| 15:56:09 | Llorean | Some things occasionally have interesting answers. ;) |
| 15:56:15 | dukeman | indeed |
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| 16:20:51 | hoi | hi |
| 16:21:18 | hoi | I'd like to modify a wps to show the time as well but I'm not sure which tag to use :-/ |
| 16:21:28 | hoi | some one can give me an hint? |
| 16:21:59 | bluebrother | the manual has a list of available tags. |
| 16:22:33 | GodEater_ | hoi: %c, followed by the format you wish the time displayed |
| 16:23:06 | hoi | bluebrother: I was looking for the last hour and too stupid to find it :-/ |
| 16:23:15 | hoi | GodEater: thank you ! |
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| 16:23:42 | hoi | in the meantime I was successful in my search: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Real_Time_Clock |
| 16:23:51 | hoi | thanks for your time and patience :) |
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| 16:26:00 | webguest54 | does anyone know if the radio and recording functions are available for the sansa? |
| 16:26:36 | bluebrother | webguest54: not yet −− sound support just arrived, so expect recording to take a while |
| 16:28:34 | bluebrother | Llorean: noticed your request from eariler today. Will look into it later today when I find time |
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| 16:49:34 | Llorean | bluebrother: Thanks |
| 16:50:08 | Llorean | bluebrother: I tried to clean up the Sansa install wiki page so that it should be human readable. It wasn't really well suited to splitting into install sections for the manual previously |
| 16:50:49 | GodEater_ | Llorean: Mr "sry" and "u" is the first terrifying visitor since the sansa got sound. I'm glad he got talked out of trying to install it. |
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| 16:54:14 | Llorean | GodEater_: I just didn't really feel he was going to be well able to handle it if anything went wrong |
| 16:55:40 | GodEater_ | too right. |
| 16:56:01 | GodEater_ | I think "if" should have been "when" in that sentence too. |
| 16:57:36 | Llorean | I dunno |
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| 16:57:45 | Llorean | It sounded like he actually already had installed Rockbox, just not the dual boot portion. |
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| 17:02:09 | yanfeng | Has anyone been able to reproduce the bug reported in http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6799? |
| 17:07:11 | markun | yanfeng: I can't reproduce it on my Gigabeat |
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| 17:08:48 | Frode_ | Gotta love rockbox even more now with sound on the sansa :D |
| 17:09:12 | Frode_ | thank you dan_a , and the others! |
| 17:09:38 | Frode_ | currently playing pink floyd lossless on my sansa :) |
| 17:09:58 | jac0b | is the audio enabled sansa rockbox available for download |
| 17:10:11 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 17:10:13 | GodEater_ | jac0b: yes |
| 17:10:16 | Frode_ | yep , the current build page |
| 17:10:17 | GodEater_ | in the usual place |
| 17:10:39 | jac0b | will another thread be made for the sansa |
| 17:10:53 | GodEater_ | jac0b: it has it's own forum now |
| 17:10:59 | GodEater_ | not just a single thread |
| 17:10:59 | Llorean | It has an INSTALL forum now |
| 17:11:05 | jac0b | where is that? |
| 17:11:11 | jac0b | oh okay |
| 17:11:18 | Llorean | Only install questions should be asked in it. |
| 17:11:45 | Frode_ | what i love about rockbox and playback is when turning the keylock on, the lcd screen is not bugged each time a button is pushed by telling you that the keylock is on, like the original firmware does.. saves battery time aswell |
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| 17:12:18 | Frode_ | i experienced some lags in the menus when manouvering and playing mp3 at the same time |
| 17:12:20 | jac0b | what about devlopment for teh sansa |
| 17:12:29 | Llorean | jac0b: What about it? |
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| 17:12:40 | jac0b | isn't still going on |
| 17:12:43 | Llorean | Yes |
| 17:13:08 | Llorean | And because it's not an officially supported port, development discussions go in the regular places that they do for all the other Rockbox targets. |
| 17:13:53 | jac0b | very cool can't wait to get home and mess with it |
| 17:14:27 | Llorean | Err, because it's _now_ an officially supported blah blah blah |
| 17:14:40 | Llorean | 95% of Rockbox is not player-specific anyway |
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| 17:15:54 | markun | yanfeng: don't know if you got my reply: "I can't reproduce it on my Gigabeat" |
| 17:16:27 | jac0b | thanks for the info everybody |
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| 17:25:28 | yanfeng | markun: no, I missed it. But now surely :-) |
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| 17:29:34 | pixelma | markun: what program did you use to edit font files? I'm struggling with my fontforge install :/ - maybe you can recommend another? |
| 17:30:04 | markun | pixelma: also fontforge, I'm not crazy about it either.. |
| 17:30:29 | markun | pixelma: I'm working on Nimbus-19 btw, what are you planning to do? |
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| 17:31:40 | pixelma | first: I have to invent a nimbus-13.fnt because chicago although called "12" it seems to have been a "13"... There are alignment issues with the 2 included wps that used it before... |
| 17:31:56 | perl|work | "Make the Play / Pause option restart playback if its stopped also" |
| 17:32:01 | perl|work | what does it mean? |
| 17:32:03 | perl|work | the last commit |
| 17:32:38 | Llorean | perl|work: Many plugins have a playback menu |
| 17:32:52 | Llorean | perl|work: You have limited control over playback. You could stop it, but you couldn't resume it until now |
| 17:33:01 | perl|work | aha |
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| 17:34:29 | pixelma | markun: with nimbus-12 these have to use now, they look like this: http://home.infocity.de/m.arnold/temp/alignment.png |
| 17:36:54 | roolku | markun: if you work on nimbus-19, could you please add a ° (degree) |
| 17:37:47 | markun | roolku: I'll add it to my todo.. |
| 17:38:25 | roolku | markun: thank you :) |
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| 17:38:46 | markun | pixelma: yes, not perfect |
| 17:39:26 | webguest93 | markun: is the screenshot of the ROCKboxed theme for ipod 5g still correct? Doesn't it use a larger font now? |
| 17:40:10 | webguest93 | markun: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g |
| 17:40:17 | pixelma | markun: ...to say the least... but at the moment fontforge even crashes for me (it ran yesterday evening though - don't know what happened since then) |
| 17:40:34 | markun | webguest93: I think you are right yes |
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| 17:41:10 | webguest93 | markun: I don't own that device (so can't make a new one), just wanted to note |
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| 17:41:33 | markun | webguest93: you could use the simulator |
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| 17:45:20 | pondlife | Hello.. anyone online who knows about the H300 hardware and whether my unit has got fried.. :( |
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| 17:47:22 | pondlife | I only get a very low level audio signal, left-side only out of eithe line or headphone out. |
| 17:47:39 | pondlife | OF or Rockbox |
| 17:48:00 | pondlife | Guess I may be looking for that Gigabeat soon :( |
| 17:48:14 | markun | pondlife: what did you do to your H300? |
| 17:48:19 | pondlife | No idea |
| 17:48:33 | pondlife | Possibly USB charging whilst AC plugged in? |
| 17:48:41 | markun | and it's not your headphones? |
| 17:48:50 | pondlife | No, nor my stereo lead. |
| 17:49:29 | pondlife | I connected the USB lead to the cradle for the first time. Sounds like that was a mistake? |
| 17:49:52 | pondlife | Right channel is totally dead (aside from a bit of noise). |
| 17:50:22 | markun | I didn't even know there was a cradle for the H300 |
| 17:50:54 | pondlife | There is - it just provides a stand for the unit plus USB and power feeds |
| 17:51:22 | markun | I don't see how USB + power could destroy your player |
| 17:51:23 | pondlife | I never had a long enough USB lead, so always removed it from the cradle to plug in USB before |
| 17:51:36 | pondlife | Me neither. |
| 17:51:52 | pondlife | But that's the only thing I've done unusual recently. |
| 17:52:10 | pondlife | Wondered if anyone knows if there's a known amp that might blow or something. |
| 17:53:05 | * | pondlife wishes he hadn't sold his Archos |
| 17:53:13 | markun | maybe LinusN knows |
| 17:55:13 | pondlife | Anyone know if iRiver do repairs? |
| 17:55:48 | markun | I believe they do. Where are you from? |
| 17:55:58 | pondlife | UK |
| 17:56:18 | markun | I think some people had them repaired in Germany |
| 17:57:09 | pondlife | Hmm, http://www.iriver.eu.com/homepage.html?L=0 doesn't work here - support option does nothing much |
| 17:59:47 | markun | amiconn: maybe while working on improving the font code we could do some experiments with 2-bit bitmaps for anti aliasing |
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| 18:00:11 | markun | I know you will not use it yourself, but we could try it anyway :) |
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| 18:46:54 | Daystate | hello, im a touch confused by the wording of the instructions on the sansa install page |
| 18:47:55 | Daystate | i understand the boot loader must be installed after rockbox BUT is this i must copy rockbox on to it first or i must copy rockbox disconnect and then reconnect to install the boot loader? |
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| 18:48:31 | Ice8lue | good evening everyone |
| 18:48:59 | Daystate | evening |
| 18:50:12 | Daystate | now to find out if i have bicked or rockboxed my sansa |
| 18:50:30 | Daystate | bricked* |
| 18:51:04 | Daystate | woot rockboxed |
| 18:51:22 | Bagder | :-) |
| 18:52:02 | Bagder | Daystate: feel free to update the wording to be more clear |
| 18:53:04 | Daystate | ok i may do that. |
| 18:53:30 | Daystate | to be honest it was more "i'm being paranoid" than dogdy wording |
| 18:53:56 | Bagder | in this context, a bit of paranoia is healthy |
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| 18:54:40 | Daystate | ooh pritty yellow |
| 18:55:07 | Daystate | CHESS!! |
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| 18:55:13 | Daystate | i love you guys |
| 18:55:44 | Stalwart^ | how can i disable bootloader's "feature" to boot appleos when starting up with hold switch on? |
| 18:56:17 | bluebrother | Bagder: I'm trying to adjust the manual a bit. Is it possible to put the rockbox files on the player first using a "normal" usb connection before starting with the bootloader stuff? |
| 18:56:30 | bluebrother | Stalwart^: by changing the source |
| 18:56:43 | Bagder | bluebrother: yes |
| 18:56:59 | Bagder | bluebrother: it could all be done in the same "round" |
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| 18:57:29 | bluebrother | ok, so you can connect the player, extract rockbox.zip and put the mi4 files onto it? |
| 18:57:34 | Bagder | yes |
| 18:57:40 | Bagder | and decrypt the OF |
| 18:57:47 | Bagder | which is very important |
| 18:57:48 | Daystate | dont forget the origanl OF.bin |
| 18:58:02 | bluebrother | that means you need to select this MSC setting before unzipping rockbox.zip? |
| 18:58:20 | Daystate | yes |
| 18:58:22 | Bagder | bluebrother: ah yes, but otherwise you won't be able to unzip it to the device at all |
| 18:59:06 | bluebrother | ok. |
| 18:59:08 | amiconn | markun: I'd say forget font antialiasing. It creates a heapload of problems for no real benefit |
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| 19:00:29 | amiconn | (1) Font files would become twice as large. The unicode fonts are already monsters. |
| 19:00:53 | amiconn | (2) Drawing them requires alpha blending, excessively slowing down font drawing |
| 19:01:05 | Lear_ | Seems like not all files linkes from build.rockbox.org are marked as no-cache or something. Tried to download an updated source archive, but got a (cached) copy... |
| 19:01:06 | dan_a | Bagder: Do you have an E250R bootloader available for download somewhere? (the ROM one, not Rockbox)? |
| 19:01:06 | Ice8lue | i think i have to say a big thank u to u guys. its so funny to put out your sansa in the train and start playing doom/quake^^ |
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| 19:01:50 | amiconn | (3) On greyscale targets the anti-aliasing effect doesn't work when foreground and background are not pure black on white or vice versa |
| 19:01:55 | Bagder | dan_a: yes, see the mi4 page |
| 19:02:17 | amiconn | In this case, the font will look worse than a 1-bit version |
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| 19:02:30 | Bagder | one handed typing with son on arm makes me slow.. :-) |
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| 19:02:53 | pixelma | let him help typing ;) |
| 19:03:04 | dan_a | Bagder: Excellent. I'm thinking of putting that on my Sansa and trying to boot the Rhapsody OF |
| 19:03:12 | Bagder | .. hnb bvgb vbjn9mn v |
| 19:03:24 | pixelma | ah yes :) |
| 19:03:36 | Bagder | talented :-) |
| 19:03:58 | Bagder | dan_a: indeed a fun idea |
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| 19:07:02 | Ice8lue | hey i just read that sound is working now correctly on sansa...is that true? or is it also that buggy? |
| 19:07:19 | barrywardell | dan_a: do you think the '0x40 |' is necessary in lines 135 and 143 of as3514.c? |
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| 19:09:04 | barrywardell | (they set the over current timeout to 128ms instead of 256ms) |
| 19:09:13 | dan_a | Bagder: I appear to have an E250R |
| 19:09:23 | Bagder | yay |
| 19:09:37 | Bagder | super cool really |
| 19:09:38 | dan_a | barrywardell: That must be a typo/thinko... it's supposed to be unmuting the channels |
| 19:10:07 | Bagder | dan_a: that also gives hope that the reversed process is possible ;-) |
| 19:10:09 | barrywardell | I thought so. It's only necessary on the left channels |
| 19:10:40 | barrywardell | dan_a: I'll do a quick check then fix it |
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| 19:11:20 | dan_a | Bagder: I hope so... I don't WANT an E250R! |
| 19:11:24 | Bagder | hihi |
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| 19:11:56 | Bagder | but of course, this will give us the chance to test R model things |
| 19:11:58 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:12:12 | dan_a | For the logs: I renamed BL_SD_boardSupportSD.btl to BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom, and copied that and pp5022.mi4 to my Sansa in recovery mode |
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| 19:13:38 | amiconn | Which of the coutless recovery modes did you use? ;) |
| 19:13:44 | amiconn | *countless |
| 19:14:00 | Nico_P | Bagder: I get an error with the wiki when i want to save changes to a page |
| 19:14:16 | Nico_P | it's the FeatureComparison page |
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| 19:14:24 | Nico_P | forcing a new revision works though |
| 19:14:51 | dan_a | (that was with bootloader recovery mode, "hold" and "rec" pressed as I booted up) |
| 19:15:07 | amiconn | Interesting... the X5 power consumption (calculated from battery capacity and runtime) matches the H300 very closely |
| 19:15:14 | Ice8lue | i just tested the sansa build of today...is it possible that there is a very small delay between left and right channel? |
| 19:15:35 | bluebrother | hmm ... can I format strings similar to printf when echoing them in a bash script? |
| 19:16:26 | nls | amiconn: shouldn't the MCF5250 use a lot less power than MCF5249? |
| 19:16:36 | Bagder | bluebrother: yes, with printf :-) |
| 19:16:48 | bluebrother | oh ... cool :) |
| 19:16:53 | dan_a | Copying back the other way doesn't work - I still have an E250R :( |
| 19:17:11 | dan_a | e200tool time |
| 19:17:19 | Bagder | dan_a: yeah |
| 19:17:59 | amiconn | nls: Why should it? |
| 19:18:26 | nls | lower voltage? |
| 19:18:43 | nls | iirfc 1.2V resp 1.8V |
| 19:18:48 | nls | -f |
| 19:19:33 | dan_a | Ice8lue: It's possible, and I also suspect that the channels might be swapped |
| 19:20:19 | bluebrother | guys, I just committed installation instructions for the sansa to the manual. Please check them as I don't own a sansa ;-) |
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| 19:20:40 | Ice8lue | dan_a: well ok. but very good work :-) |
| 19:21:12 | dan_a | Ice8lue: Feel free to make a test file and let me know what you find :) |
| 19:21:31 | Ice8lue | dan_a: test file? |
| 19:22:09 | Nico_P | Bagder: have you seen my message above ? |
| 19:22:48 | dan_a | An audio file that has something which happens in the left and right channels at exactly the same time, and possibly something only in the left and only in the right |
| 19:24:21 | Ice8lue | dan_a: ok no problem. but....maybe tomorrow in the morning |
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| 19:27:04 | dan_a | Uh-oh... e200tool might not be helping |
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| 19:29:54 | dan_a | Bagder (or someone else smart): In dmesg, I get the message "usb 1-5: usbfs: USBDEVFS_CONTROL failed cmd e200tool rqt 64 rq 4 len 63 ret -71" - does that suggest there's anything I can do? |
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| 19:32:25 | belze | did anybody else notice bad distortion on the h1xx series? |
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| 19:32:41 | belze | the volume is way too high |
| 19:33:19 | bluebrother | does the h10 bootloader have a bootloader usb mode? |
| 19:33:23 | Ice8lue | will the plugins need to be rewritten to enable sound? doom f.fe.? |
| 19:34:13 | Ice8lue | f.e. |
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| 19:34:21 | nls | Ice8lue: that shouln't be needed |
| 19:34:41 | Ice8lue | nls: but what to do with doom? |
| 19:35:19 | Ice8lue | doesnt say anything for me... |
| 19:36:37 | nls | Ice8lue: did you make a full update that replaced all the plugins? |
| 19:37:04 | Ice8lue | i downloaded and copied the full build, yes |
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| 19:39:21 | Arathis | bluebrother: only the UMS-trick from the OF. The RB BL doesn't have one as far as I know, but ask barrywardell |
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| 19:40:21 | barrywardell | the RB bootloader doesn't have one. The OF bootloader does using the UMS trick Arathis mentioned |
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| 19:44:50 | Ice8lue | quake also doesnt have sound |
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| 19:48:33 | Ice8lue | cs too |
| 19:48:50 | nls | Ice8lue: aren't those just different wads for doom? |
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| 19:49:37 | Daystate | is it possible to make the fonts a little larger so they are easier to read? |
| 19:49:55 | Daystate | or is that done with the fonts package? |
| 19:50:06 | nls | Daystate: download the fonts package and you'll have abou 50 to choose from |
| 19:50:13 | nls | of different sizes |
| 19:50:32 | Daystate | top notch thanks |
| 19:50:52 | Daystate | oh and whoever wrote the chess plugin is my hero |
| 19:51:02 | merwin | anyone here with e200tool experience? |
| 19:51:53 | Daystate | afraid not |
| 19:52:24 | pondlife | Anyone here got an Iaudio? |
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| 19:52:58 | Ice8lue | nls: ya, i just thought maybe the wad doesnt have sound but none of them has |
| 19:54:16 | amiconn | pixelma: ping......... |
| 19:54:20 | merwin | can't get the e200tool to work in windows at all |
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| 19:56:37 | Ice8lue | merwin: which version of win do u have? |
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| 19:57:58 | pondlife | amiconn: Do you know roughly what battery life we get using Rockbox on an Iaudio X5? |
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| 19:58:59 | amiconn | pondlife: I got 15:07 in a test run with no backlight, and 8:25 with backlight always on (default brightness) |
| 19:59:17 | pondlife | So, comparable to an H340 then? |
| 19:59:29 | pondlife | My H340 died today, I think. |
| 19:59:48 | pondlife | So... looks like Iaudio is the way to go. |
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| 20:00:01 | belze | i'd say so, too |
| 20:00:04 | amiconn | About 3/4 of the H300 runtime |
| 20:00:10 | petur | pondlife: what died? |
| 20:00:18 | amiconn | ...due to the lower battery capacity |
| 20:00:32 | amiconn | If you want really long runtime, get an iAudio X5L (or M5L) |
| 20:00:47 | pondlife | petur: The audio output is hardly there any more. |
| 20:00:57 | petur | ouch |
| 20:01:00 | pondlife | Left side has a very low signal, right has none at all |
| 20:01:16 | amiconn | My guess is that the UDA1380 is broken |
| 20:01:26 | amiconn | Not the first time this was reported |
| 20:01:32 | nls | pondlife: does it behave strangely otherwise |
| 20:01:34 | pondlife | Repairable? |
| 20:01:37 | pondlife | nls: No |
| 20:02:13 | nls | one person's h300 was very sluggish after his uda1380 broke, he replaced it and it was fine... |
| 20:02:27 | nls | I even think he got free samples from phillips |
| 20:02:58 | amiconn | pondlife: If you can find an UDA1380TT and solder it (it's a TSSOP32 smd chip), then it's repairable |
| 20:03:17 | pondlife | Well, I can't solder... but I have friends who claim to be able to. |
| 20:03:59 | amiconn | Iirc one H1x0 owner did this quite some time ago. Might be in the forum somewhere |
| 20:03:59 | pondlife | Hmm, I see them out of stock in several places..!! |
| 20:04:04 | pondlife | OK, will look |
| 20:05:22 | merwin | Ice8lue: WinXP SP2 |
| 20:05:43 | pondlife | Could this have possibly been caused by charging via AC and USB at the same time? I noticed there is a potential difference across the USB port if I have the AC adapter plugged in.. |
| 20:05:51 | merwin | Ice8lue: I checked in the device manager, and i can see the exact usb device it's looking for, but it can't find it when i run e200tool |
| 20:06:04 | pondlife | Or perhaps it's some kind of static buildup.. |
| 20:06:16 | pondlife | Enough to make a small spark |
| 20:06:54 | Ice8lue | well...should work. do u use msc mode? maybe it just works in recovery mode? |
| 20:07:18 | petur | UDA's mostly dies due to bad music taste |
| 20:07:20 | * | petur ducks |
| 20:07:42 | XavierGr | petur: and what is bad music taste :P |
| 20:07:47 | XavierGr | which genres? |
| 20:07:48 | merwin | Ice8lue: I'm trying with an e200r... it only has msc mode |
| 20:07:56 | petur | Greek folk music |
| 20:07:58 | * | petur ducks again |
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| 20:08:34 | XavierGr | haha |
| 20:08:35 | XavierGr | indeed |
| 20:08:37 | pondlife | petur: It's a fair cop. (FWIW I think the last track I heard was Arcade Fire.) |
| 20:08:39 | nls | pondlife: here's a thread by one person that did the replacement successfully, not much info tho http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1946.0;prev_next=next |
| 20:08:46 | pondlife | Yes, reading it now.. |
| 20:09:10 | pondlife | I don't see the slowness reported. |
| 20:09:24 | nls | maybe my memory is acting up ;-) |
| 20:09:32 | Ice8lue | merwin: are u sure it works with the R version? did never hear of that |
| 20:09:32 | jac0b | merwin: I don't think the e200tool works on the e200r |
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| 20:10:14 | merwin | jac0b: In the latest forum post for the e200r, bagder suggests flashing your e200r with the e200 bootloader using e200tool |
| 20:10:15 | petur | nls: no, I remember that talk too |
| 20:10:30 | pondlife | That's this one: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4433.0 |
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| 20:10:41 | Ice8lue | oh.... |
| 20:10:57 | pondlife | And this one http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3604.0 |
| 20:11:10 | ottyZVMuser | hey all |
| 20:11:34 | pondlife | Actually, it was scrolling slowly this morning.... maybe I should close my bug report that the lists are scrolling slower :) |
| 20:12:58 | ottyZVMuser | so how is the ZVM cracking going on? |
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| 20:14:55 | ottyZVMuser | ?? |
| 20:15:45 | Ice8lue | zvm? |
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| 20:16:28 | Gnelik | Hi! |
| 20:16:34 | Ice8lue | hoi |
| 20:19:25 | ottyZVMuser | Creativ Zen Vision:M cracking, how is it going on? |
| 20:19:56 | Gnelik | I have an Error buildingSensa e200 normal "/home/Ïàâåë/rockbox-bleeding/fw/apps/settings_list.o:(.data+0x88): undefined ref |
| 20:19:56 | Gnelik | erence to `__compound_literal.4' |
| 20:21:14 | amiconn | Gnelik: What arm-elf-gcc version do you have |
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| 20:21:28 | amiconn | Almost sounds like it is 4.0.2 (or earlier). You need 4.0.3 |
| 20:21:50 | Gnelik | arm-elf-gcc (GCC) 4.0.2 |
| 20:22:10 | pondlife | Hmm, the Iaudio X5L - is it available in 60GB? |
| 20:22:20 | Gnelik | Ok 10x |
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| 20:22:41 | amiconn | pondlife: Nope. The X5L and the X5 60GB use the same case |
| 20:22:56 | pondlife | So I'll need an X5 and hope for the best |
| 20:23:12 | amiconn | It either adapts a dual platter 1.8" hdd, or a single platter + extra battery |
| 20:23:19 | amiconn | ...but not both |
| 20:23:28 | lnxmomo | hey, what a great project this is |
| 20:23:31 | pondlife | Much better battery life than a Gigabeat F60 I guess. |
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| 20:23:52 | amiconn | I don't know the battery life of the gigabeat |
| 20:23:53 | lnxmomo | but does anyone kno whether the firmware will overide apple's in the ipod mini? |
| 20:23:59 | pondlife | Priorities: (1) Runs Rockbox stably (2) 60+GB (3) Battery life. |
| 20:24:27 | Ctcp | Ping on #rockbox from webguest72!i=4db38d35@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d6c46e39f444ce53 |
| 20:24:28 | *** | Server message 505: 'logbot :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' |
| 20:25:06 | pondlife | But hopefully I'll be able to fix my H340. |
| 20:25:27 | Ice8lue | Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg ) <= ?????? |
| 20:26:37 | webguest72 | hm |
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| 20:27:43 | brake | Has anyone managed to get the bug described in http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6799 with H120? Am I that special? |
| 20:29:41 | lnxmomo | k, no reply to my question, but does rockbox give a better battery indication then the ipod firmware? |
| 20:29:58 | Gnelik | amiconn Same with 4.0.3 |
| 20:31:37 | Ice8lue | lnxmomo:for me it does |
| 20:32:06 | lnxmomo | nice! |
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| 20:32:13 | lnxmomo | that alone is worth it |
| 20:32:13 | Ice8lue | ya |
| 20:32:41 | Ice8lue | lnxmomo: and all of its features of cause |
| 20:32:56 | lnxmomo | ya |
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| 20:33:12 | lnxmomo | ofcourse, doom on an ipod anyday :p |
| 20:33:32 | bluebrother | Ice8lue: what's the problem with that message? You need to register your nick to be able sending private messages |
| 20:33:39 | pondlife | On iPod, Rockbox might indicate a longer runtime, but I doubt it gives a longer runtime |
| 20:34:03 | Ice8lue | bluebrother: sur but i didnt try^^ |
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| 20:35:42 | bluebrother | I belive you get this message when connecting to freenode unless you identify within some period of time |
| 20:35:45 | bluebrother | just look at the freenode website. |
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| 20:37:04 | Ice8lue | ah ok |
| 20:37:13 | Daystate | does rockbox support album art at this present time? |
| 20:37:33 | Gnelik | Daystate with pathc it does |
| 20:37:33 | brake | Hm, no comments. It's not that critical but it could indicate a bug in the list/menu/plugin code. That's why I point to it. |
| 20:38:11 | Daystate | i see *runs off to google pathc |
| 20:38:21 | Ice8lue | Gnelik: Even on sansa? where do i get the patch? |
| 20:38:21 | pondlife | patch |
| 20:38:26 | pondlife | not pathc |
| 20:38:43 | Lear_ | brake: sounds like the font isn't reset properly. |
| 20:39:16 | brake | Lear_: who (what part) should reset it? I.e. who is to blame? :-) |
| 20:39:36 | Lear_ | I wonder that myself... |
| 20:40:31 | Frode_ | Ice8lue, i dont think someone has made a wps with album art showing on the sansa yet |
| 20:40:40 | Frode_ | i could be wrong, not seen any posted |
| 20:41:01 | Ice8lue | Frode_: damn...there also arent that much wps for it |
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| 20:41:19 | Daystate | its only been supported for like 2 days :P |
| 20:41:21 | Frode_ | Ice8lue, i know... i made one of them hah |
| 20:41:29 | brake | Lear_: now I guess why the bug only shows up while the logo is displayed: the version is displayed using the system font. So I would blame the plugin. Or better still: RB (the code that loads plugins) should make a sure cleanup. |
| 20:41:47 | brake | I.e. plugins are not very trustworthy. |
| 20:41:58 | Ice8lue | Frode_: am just trying arround with wps...doesnt lokk good atm |
| 20:42:23 | Frode_ | Ice8lue, guess there will come some nice ones after some time |
| 20:42:47 | Ice8lue | Frode_: i really hope so. the wps for ipod look amazing^^ |
| 20:43:12 | Lear_ | brake: other plugins seem to reset the font though. |
| 20:43:40 | Frode_ | Ice8lue, indeed .. some of them are awsome. |
| 20:44:45 | Ice8lue | Frode_: well....maybe i'll have one tomorrow... |
| 20:45:31 | Frode_ | Ice8lue, creating anything yourself? |
| 20:45:54 | Ice8lue | Frode_: yop....at least im trying^^ |
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| 20:46:19 | Frode_ | Ice8lue, kool. good luck |
| 20:46:37 | Ice8lue | Frode_: thx...i think i'll need a lot^^ |
| 20:46:53 | Frode_ | ja klar |
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| 20:47:21 | Ice8lue | Frode_: deutsch? man sag doch was^^ |
| 20:48:14 | Frode_ | nein.. :) ich wohne in norvegen.. hehe. not spoken dutch in a long timeee |
| 20:48:32 | Frode_ | deutche |
| 20:48:54 | Ice8lue | Frode_: hehe^^ but much better than my english^^ |
| 20:49:13 | Frode_ | Ice8lue, no way =) |
| 20:49:35 | Ice8lue | Frode_: lol |
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| 20:56:04 | Gnelik | How can i Build ÖÇÛ, |
| 20:56:11 | Gnelik | WPS? |
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| 20:57:04 | Ice8lue | just read some aviable wps and do the same =) |
| 20:57:23 | Sniper_Spike | what he said |
| 20:57:38 | Sniper_Spike | Just look at the ones already made |
| 20:57:49 | random82 | you probably hear it a lot, but is someone working the ipod 80G? |
| 20:57:54 | Sniper_Spike | they're not all that difficult to make |
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| 21:00:05 | Gnelik | What wpsbuild.pl script used for? |
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| 21:02:15 | Gnelik | beep, no dir to copy WPS from! |
| 21:02:16 | Gnelik | :( |
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| 21:06:06 | Gnelik | Can anyone help me? |
| 21:06:13 | nls | gnelik it's used when you make a rockbox.zip file from the build you just made |
| 21:06:21 | nls | what is the problem? |
| 21:06:37 | Gnelik | i make |
| 21:06:39 | Gnelik | make zip |
| 21:06:46 | Gnelik | i tells me beep, no dir to copy WPS from! |
| 21:07:12 | nls | did you check out with svn or download a tarball? |
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| 21:07:40 | Gnelik | tarball |
| 21:09:00 | nls | Gnelik: do you have a wps directory with lots of wps files in you source tree at the same level as apps, firmware, tools etc? |
| 21:09:19 | Gnelik | yep |
| 21:09:38 | Gnelik | it even begins copy them to the öçû directory |
| 21:09:46 | Gnelik | wps |
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| 21:10:57 | nls | hmm, dunno then, did the make command complete without errors? |
| 21:11:18 | Gnelik | Ha |
| 21:11:21 | Gnelik | sorry |
| 21:11:38 | Gnelik | i made zip file, but this strange message confused me |
| 21:11:46 | Gnelik | *i=it |
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| 21:12:19 | Ice8lue | cu, gn8i |
| 21:12:22 | markun | amiconn: I hadn't thought of point 3, but I though of the other 2 aa font problems of course |
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| 21:35:19 | donutman25 | i have acquired source code to implement a circular buffer in mpegplayer. which file(s) do i have to apply the source code to to implement it? |
| 21:36:33 | webguest05 | hi. the FeatureComparison on the wiki says gigabeat OF can decode wavpack, which i'm pretty sure is incorrect - so does somebody with write access want to fix it? |
| 21:36:58 | markun | webguest05: I'll fix it |
| 21:37:03 | webguest05 | thanks :) |
| 21:37:36 | Bagder | donutman25: see apps/plugins/mpegplayer/ |
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| 21:39:19 | donutman25 | Bagder: I'm in that folder and i'm looking at 23 files. Which one(s) do i need to edit? |
| 21:39:39 | Bagder | if you can't figure that out, then you won't succeed anyway |
| 21:39:58 | Bagder | may sound harsh, but still that's so |
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| 21:40:42 | joshin | Thanks devs for all the good work on the Sansa! |
| 21:42:09 | markun | Weiss: fixed |
| 21:42:28 | markun | ehh, that was for webguest05 who left already |
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| 21:47:17 | donutman25 | :'( |
| 21:48:07 | donutman25 | Bagder: so if i find stuff that may help with the creation of the buffer, what do i do with it? |
| 21:48:20 | nls | donutman25: where did you get the code? |
| 21:49:36 | donutman25 | nls: some from websites and some from friends that lent me their source from homebrew programs |
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| 21:50:08 | nls | donutman25: then you'll have to adapt it to work with mpegplayer, it's not just a copy-paste job |
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| 21:50:53 | Bagder | you also need to make sure the license of the code is GPL compatible, if it should be able to get merged |
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| 21:51:30 | donutman25 | ok thanks |
| 21:51:50 | donutman25 | i'm going to read up on that adaptation fee |
| 21:51:59 | donutman25 | -fee |
| 21:52:05 | donutman25 | +thing |
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| 21:55:25 | Sniper_Spike | can anybody link me to a tutorial on how to use cygwin? |
| 21:55:40 | Sniper_Spike | ...that is not written in some cryptic language? |
| 21:55:44 | petur | wiki? |
| 21:55:47 | petur | our wiki |
| 21:55:59 | Sniper_Spike | I read it over |
| 21:56:09 | Sniper_Spike | it seems to be written for those already familiar with it |
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| 21:56:12 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
| 21:56:42 | robin0800 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
| 21:56:52 | Sniper_Spike | plus its more oriented around Rockbiox dev |
| 21:57:02 | Sniper_Spike | I just want to know how to use cygwin first |
| 21:57:26 | Sniper_Spike | and I already installed it btw |
| 21:57:26 | petur | you don't kneed to know a lot about cygwin |
| 21:57:36 | Sniper_Spike | no? |
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| 21:58:32 | petur | it's just an environment to run linux tools in, just read up on the tools you need to build rockbox |
| 21:58:38 | petur | see above links |
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| 21:58:52 | robin0800 | then read some of the other topics in the first link |
| 21:59:15 | Sniper_Spike | alright then |
| 21:59:23 | Sniper_Spike | thanks |
| 21:59:36 | nls | should the tarballs include ifp and av300 specific files? |
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| 22:00:03 | Bagder | nls: I think they should |
| 22:00:35 | amiconn | Porting to the iAudio M3 would probably be fun... hardware seems to be rather similar to the other cf iaudios, but more different than X5 and M5 are |
| 22:01:03 | nls | Bagder: ok, I'm sorting the firmware/FILES to be alphabetical and adding missing dirs |
| 22:01:32 | nls | amiconn: isn't that the one with just lcd remote and no main lcd? |
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| 22:01:36 | amiconn | yes |
| 22:01:59 | nls | ah, yeah it looks kind of interesting |
| 22:02:10 | amiconn | There are more differences in hardware: coldfire 5249 instead of 5250, no pcf50606 |
| 22:02:23 | amiconn | ...hence no rtc, but recording and radio are there |
| 22:05:19 | nls | so it's more like the h1xx |
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| 22:06:27 | belze | btw: did anybody else notice bad distortion on the h1xx series? |
| 22:06:27 | amiconn | yes |
| 22:06:30 | Bagder | dan_a: that sounds like a rather bad usb error message to get... |
| 22:06:54 | Bagder | (orignating from linux/drivers/usb/core/devio.c) |
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| 22:07:15 | amiconn | The main unit just has 3 status leds (one is multicolour), 4 buttons, a rocker switch and a hold switch |
| 22:07:45 | nls | amiconn: does it work without the remote? |
| 22:07:57 | amiconn | The remote is the very same for M3, M5 and X5 |
| 22:08:15 | nls | aha |
| 22:10:12 | stripwax | just got a funky gcc internal error building from svn for H320 - during building of libfaad - using the latest cygwin packages from download.rockbox.org . m68k-elf-gcc −−version reports 3.4.4, is it out of date? |
| 22:10:33 | | Part perl|work |
| 22:10:38 | stripwax | error is: CC tns.c |
| 22:10:38 | stripwax | tns.c: In function `tns_decode_frame': |
| 22:10:38 | stripwax | tns.c:130: error: insn does not satisfy its constraints: |
| 22:10:38 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK stripwax |
| 22:10:38 | stripwax | (insn 751 445 446 25 (set (reg:QI 8 %a0) |
| 22:10:38 | stripwax | (mem:QI (plus:SI (reg/f:SI 14 %a6) |
| 22:10:39 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 22:10:39 | stripwax | (const_int -255 [0xffffff01])) [44 tns_order+0 S1 A8])) 33 {*m68k.md:826} (nil) |
| 22:10:41 | stripwax | (nil)) |
| 22:10:43 | stripwax | tns.c:130: internal compiler error: in reload_cse_simplify_operands, at postreload.c:391 |
| 22:10:46 | stripwax | Please submit a full bug report, |
| 22:10:47 | stripwax | with preprocessed source if appropriate. |
| 22:10:48 | stripwax | See <URL:http://gcc.gnu.org/bugs.html> for instructions. |
| 22:10:50 | stripwax | make[3]: *** [/home/Dave/rockbox/svn/rockboxtest/build-h300/apps/codecs/libfaad/tns.o] Error 1 |
| 22:10:52 | stripwax | make[2]: *** [libfaad] Error 2 |
| 22:10:53 | bluebrother | stripwax: 3.4.6 here |
| 22:10:55 | stripwax | rm /home/Dave/rockbox/svn/rockboxtest/build-h300/apps/codecs/codec_crt0.o |
| 22:10:56 | stripwax | make[1]: *** [build-codecs] Error 2 |
| 22:11:00 | stripwax | oh crap, sorry. was meant to be one message.. pasting sucks |
| 22:11:04 | amiconn | 3.4.4 is out of date |
| 22:11:06 | bluebrother | stripwax: please use a pastebin ;-) |
| 22:11:15 | stripwax | bluebrother - will do next time, apols |
| 22:11:31 | stripwax | amiconn who maintains the cygwin packages for rockbox? is this an easy thing to update? |
| 22:11:31 | amiconn | You need at least 3.4.5, recommended is 3.4.6 |
| 22:11:36 | dan_a | Bagder: I suspected it wasn't good. The Rhapsody bootloader still boots. I tried the tool on Windows, but with no luck (it can't find the Sansa) so I'm just going to have to find a way to encrypt the Rockbox bootloader properly |
| 22:12:01 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 22:12:01 | * | bluebrother notices someone used his private pastebin ... |
| 22:12:12 | amiconn | Rockbox should have the recommended version of all crosscompilers for cygwin |
| 22:12:49 | Bagder | dan_a: so you get that same error every time you try on linux? |
| 22:14:05 | stripwax | amiconn - ok, looks like cygwin installer reports 3.4.5 so maybe something fishy my end - thanks! |
| 22:14:16 | Bagder | dan_a: and exactly when do you get it? when you try the recover thing? |
| 22:14:35 | Sniper_Spike | how do you execute nano or vi in cygwin |
| 22:14:36 | Bagder | after all, the R BL image was extracted with e200tool on an R model |
| 22:15:09 | dan_a | Bagder: Yes. e200tool gives "Write at 0x1060xxxx" "Control message (-71, Protocol error)" where the last four bytes of the address change. This is from doing "e200tool recover", just after it finds device 6666:e200 |
| 22:15:38 | dan_a | I suspect it's more likely to be my Linux install than an e200tool issue |
| 22:15:59 | stripwax | Sniper_Spike - 'nano' or 'vi', assuming you installed it! |
| 22:16:20 | Sniper_Spike | thanks! |
| 22:16:30 | Sniper_Spike | is that the same for all the cygwin apps? |
| 22:16:36 | Sniper_Spike | just the name? |
| 22:17:52 | petur | Sniper_Spike: why do you need nano or vi, just use a windows editor (notepad2 is fine) |
| 22:17:53 | Bagder | dan_a: EPROTO (-71) implies that the device no longer speaks proper USB, but it seems so weird to me |
| 22:18:23 | Sniper_Spike | Step 4 of Rockbox dev environment |
| 22:18:28 | stripwax | Sniper_Spike - usually yes - and if not, the documentation for that app will tell you what you need to run. just like a linux/unix environment |
| 22:18:37 | Sniper_Spike | "Edit using nano or vi (not Notepad or Wordpad in Windows)" |
| 22:19:02 | Sniper_Spike | alright |
| 22:19:04 | petur | because of line endings... but notepad2 is fine |
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| 22:19:22 | Sniper_Spike | oh, ok |
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| 22:20:58 | Bagder | dan_a: and it is confirmed by our friend that the R model BL did indeed "fix" the DSA signing flaw |
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| 22:22:52 | stripwax | amiconn - weird, seems I have multiple version installed. thanks for the pointer! |
| 22:24:02 | dan_a | Bagder: IIUC, that means that we need the Rhapsody private key if we want .mi4 bootloaders for the R series. Is that right? |
| 22:24:19 | Bagder | yes, or patch the R model BL file to allow our own key |
| 22:24:43 | Bagder | which is what mi4code blpatch can do for the vanilla BL file |
| 22:25:11 | Bagder | getting the private key just isn't a thing we can pull through |
| 22:26:17 | Bagder | if we can force a vanilla BL file onto an R model, we could possible allow our own bootloader to tripple-boot rockbox, vanilla e200 or e200R ;-) |
| 22:27:14 | dan_a | Nice! |
| 22:27:43 | nls | Bagder: is it bad to include a (currently) non existant file in FILES, I was going to include features.txt as I am sure someone will forget to add it when the cleanup is comitted :-) |
| 22:28:46 | Bagder | nls: I think that's pretty safe to do |
| 22:28:53 | nls | ok, thanks |
| 22:29:18 | bluebrother | what's the exact difference between e200 and e200r? fm tuner? |
| 22:29:27 | Bagder | no, just a different firmware |
| 22:29:36 | bluebrother | crazy. |
| 22:29:38 | Bagder | but the R models do seem to always come with a tuner |
| 22:29:54 | bluebrother | didn't sandisk step up and ask about a RB port? ;-) |
| 22:29:55 | Bagder | which the euro e200 ones don't have |
| 22:30:23 | Bagder | who are sandisk again? |
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| 22:31:23 | bluebrother | ;-) |
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| 22:32:55 | bluebrother | btw, did someone already look into FS #5199? Seems to work fine on my mini |
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| 22:39:40 | _Amblin | From what I read Sandisk's hands were tied |
| 22:39:43 | amiconn | bluebrother: fs#5199 is a known problem. It doesn't happen every time though |
| 22:40:10 | Bagder | _Amblin: a bit yes, but a lot not at all |
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| 22:40:28 | _Amblin | ok |
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| 22:43:43 | _Amblin | Ive heard that Rockbox eats batteries a lot faster than the original FW on iPods, is this true? |
| 22:43:59 | Bagder | true |
| 22:44:01 | stripwax | _Amblin - maybe not 'a lot' faster, but yes |
| 22:44:49 | _Amblin | And this concieveably should be true also for the e200? |
| 22:45:20 | Bagder | yes, most likely |
| 22:45:41 | Bagder | but I don't think we have any measurements done just yet |
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| 22:48:23 | stripwax | I'm wondering about the behaviour of ipods on rockbox, where the 'battery low' icon appears when it's turned on, even when it's been fully charged... is there any possibility the original firmware recorsd the battery level somewhere on shutdown, and the built-in firmware checks this on startup, or is that crazy talk? |
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| 22:52:03 | merwin | Bagder: Does e200tool work in windows? |
| 22:52:08 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:52:09 | merwin | and does it work on the e200r? |
| 22:52:16 | Bagder | although few people manage to use it there |
| 22:52:27 | Bagder | and yes it does work with the R models |
| 22:52:31 | merwin | I can't get it to function in windows (haven't tried a regular e200) |
| 22:53:18 | merwin | I'd be willing to try screwing up my bootloader in my R if i can get it working |
| 22:53:51 | Bagder | well, I won't be of any help to get it to run on windows |
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| 22:54:03 | barrywardell | does this look like an OK way to make sleep() work in PP bootloaders: http://pastebin.ca/392511 ? |
| 22:54:21 | _Amblin | This one of those fearless souls you were talking of Badger? :) |
| 22:54:26 | merwin | ok... wonder if it will run in ubuntu under vmware :) I'll give that a shot |
| 22:54:48 | merwin | Bagder: If you were a betting man, what odds would you give me of restoring the bootloader if it fails? |
| 22:54:51 | Bagder | _Amblin: yeah, dan_a also took a rather ... eh, fearless step earlier |
| 22:55:10 | LinusN | barrywardell: looks ok to me |
| 22:55:15 | merwin | Bagder: What step was that he took? |
| 22:55:22 | Bagder | merwin: before dan_a's problems I would say you'd have a very big chance, but now I'm possibly not as sure |
| 22:55:35 | Bagder | merwin: he converted his vanilla e200 into an e200R |
| 22:55:37 | barrywardell | LinusN: cool, thanks |
| 22:55:48 | merwin | Bagder: and it worked? |
| 22:55:51 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:56:09 | Bagder | although he hasn't managed to restore it back to vanilla... |
| 22:56:13 | stripwax | Although I just found this. So maybe there's some recalibration going on regularly when running the OF but not when running rockbox. http://www.vsa.cape.com/~danh/ipod.htm |
| 22:56:18 | _Amblin | Uhoh... |
| 22:56:53 | merwin | Bagder: Isn't there a patched e200 bootloader that allows poorly signed code to execute? |
| 22:56:54 | merwin | or something? |
| 22:56:54 | Bagder | barrywardell: I would prefer a way that somehow better took into account the value of HZ |
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| 22:57:50 | Bagder | barrywardell: probably by doing * (1000000/HZ) or so |
| 22:58:11 | _Amblin | Does charging through USB on the e200 currently work with Rockbox? |
| 22:58:16 | barrywardell | Bagder: OK. that's to account for HZ maybe changing in the future? |
| 22:58:35 | Bagder | barrywardell: yes, and for making the code somewhat more obvious |
| 22:59:00 | Bagder | merwin: once the unit is a vanilla e200 we have no problems to run whatever we want |
| 22:59:03 | barrywardell | OK |
| 22:59:59 | scorche | i wonder what sandisk would say if you handed them an e200 with the e200R software on it |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:26 | Sniper_Spike | "I bought it like this, really!" |
| 23:00:39 | merwin | Bagder: Is there any way to have an e200 boot the OF.bin of a R? |
| 23:01:06 | Bagder | merwin: most likely, although the only test I know someone did failed |
| 23:01:10 | Bagder | for unknown reasons |
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| 23:01:48 | merwin | Bagder: ok... well, i'll give converting e200r to e200 a shot :) |
| 23:02:14 | Bagder | merwin: I'll hold my breath! ;-) |
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| 23:06:23 | merwin | Bagder: do you personally have an e200? |
| 23:06:29 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:06:38 | merwin | do you notice the line on top of the screen? |
| 23:06:56 | Bagder | no, as I haven't actually used it recently ;-) |
| 23:07:17 | Sniper_Spike | line at the top of the screen? |
| 23:07:18 | merwin | when running rockbox, even booting OF.bin, i have a weird 1 or 2 pixel high line on the screen at the top |
| 23:07:32 | merwin | cuts off the battery meter a bit and stuff |
| 23:07:35 | merwin | annoying |
| 23:07:40 | Sniper_Spike | i dont. |
| 23:07:45 | Sniper_Spike | e260 |
| 23:07:53 | merwin | i've got an e280 and an e280r |
| 23:08:28 | Sniper_Spike | only gltiches I've noticed are red screens |
| 23:08:36 | cynicalliberal | merwin: what color is the line? |
| 23:08:37 | Sniper_Spike | sometimes when trying to boot |
| 23:08:46 | merwin | odd, i haven't gotten that, although the firmware i used was about a week ago |
| 23:08:51 | merwin | the build i mean |
| 23:09:03 | Sniper_Spike | I end up having to hardware shutdown |
| 23:09:13 | Sniper_Spike | and then boot again |
| 23:09:49 | Sniper_Spike | well I got it with old pre-audo firmware & the latest stuff |
| 23:10:05 | merwin | hm... still some bugs to work out i guess :) |
| 23:10:28 | Sniper_Spike | yes |
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| 23:11:35 | Sniper_Spike | Oh-and just if anybody hasn't tried it yet |
| 23:11:56 | Sniper_Spike | h3modded firmware runs when decrypted into an OF.bin |
| 23:12:04 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:12:22 | Sniper_Spike | forgive me if this is already common knowledge |
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| 23:13:54 | merwin | nice |
| 23:13:59 | merwin | i didn't know that |
| 23:14:16 | Sniper_Spike | yeah |
| 23:14:29 | merwin | Bagder: How do i build e200tool? |
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| 23:14:34 | Sniper_Spike | Running the ZIPPERSolutions |
| 23:14:40 | merwin | Forgive me, i'm not a huge linux person |
| 23:14:55 | Bagder | use this: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200tool/Makefile |
| 23:15:02 | Sniper_Spike | I believe there are already a few builds floating around |
| 23:15:13 | merwin | Sniper_Spike: I like ZIPPER |
| 23:15:34 | Sniper_Spike | It's a nice thme |
| 23:15:44 | _Amblin | The flickering Llauren was speaking of last night has seemed to have disapeared with this new theme |
| 23:16:04 | Sniper_Spike | only problem is the menu choices overlap with the "|" |
| 23:16:07 | merwin | Bagder: I used that makefile, and I get a ton of errors |
| 23:16:10 | Sniper_Spike | well, some of them at least |
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| 23:16:57 | merwin | I don't have stdio.h, stdlib.h, etc, etc... it says |
| 23:17:37 | Bagder | wow |
| 23:17:49 | Bagder | then you have a very stripped linux install |
| 23:18:10 | merwin | it's a standard ubuntu install |
| 23:18:13 | merwin | i think |
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| 23:18:28 | cynicalliberal | use synapic manager to install some of the dev tools? |
| 23:18:36 | linuxstb | "apt-get install build-essential" IIRC |
| 23:18:44 | cynicalliberal | or that |
| 23:19:59 | merwin | doing the apt-get |
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| 23:20:18 | cynicalliberal | yeah, that's better |
| 23:20:35 | merwin | whoever put together this ubuntu vmware image is an idiot :) |
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| 23:21:05 | Sniper_Spike | lol >_> |
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| 23:21:14 | cynicalliberal | I use vmware the other way around, in ubuntu for Windows. |
| 23:21:21 | merwin | nice :) |
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| 23:21:44 | Sniper_Spike | speaking of vmware |
| 23:21:45 | merwin | let's see if e200tool will like accessing the e200 through vmware usb |
| 23:22:26 | Sniper_Spike | under vmware, how much of an FPS drop would you expect in CSS? :P |
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| 23:22:36 | Sniper_Spike | (to digress off of rockbox) |
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| 23:23:44 | merwin | now it can't find usb.h |
| 23:23:57 | Bagder | libusb |
| 23:24:09 | linuxstb | apt-get install libusb-dev |
| 23:24:56 | merwin | linux is so much easier now than it used to be |
| 23:25:10 | merwin | sweet, it built |
| 23:25:28 | Sniper_Spike | ftw |
| 23:25:40 | merwin | Bagder: what mode do i have to be in to rip and write the bootloader |
| 23:25:58 | Bagder | manufacturing mode |
| 23:26:30 | Sniper_Spike | don't you require some unatainable driver for that? |
| 23:26:42 | Bagder | e200tool is that |
| 23:27:01 | Sniper_Spike | oh, right. |
| 23:27:04 | Sniper_Spike | >_< |
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| 23:28:00 | Sniper_Spike | excuse my cold-ridden mind |
| 23:29:01 | cynicalliberal | Would it be a bad idea trying to walk someone through a rockbox install who doesn't know anything about Command Prompt? |
| 23:29:50 | _Amblin | Just verify everything they do is correct. |
| 23:29:55 | Sniper_Spike | it doesn't require that much skill to type one command in it |
| 23:29:58 | _Amblin | And be absolutely clear. :) |
| 23:31:00 | cynicalliberal | Lol, well I'm reminded of the concept that if you don't know what you're doing... you shouldn't be doing it. |
| 23:31:01 | merwin | how big should the bootloader bee |
| 23:31:09 | merwin | ? |
| 23:31:34 | merwin | Bagder: Mine is 500KB (the one that i read) |
| 23:31:45 | _Amblin | The one I used was 59KB |
| 23:32:02 | Bagder | merwin: you mean you asked for 500K so it turned out 500K? |
| 23:32:13 | merwin | yeah |
| 23:32:14 | merwin | :) |
| 23:32:23 | Bagder | weird how some things work |
| 23:32:25 | merwin | and i used e200tool read bl.rom 0x10600000 500000 |
| 23:32:31 | joshin | cynicalliberal: can they cut and paste? |
| 23:32:48 | merwin | Bagder: to write it, i just change read to write? |
| 23:33:14 | cynicalliberal | johnin: I'd hope so, then again it doesn't seem like they can open command prompt ;) |
| 23:33:50 | Bagder | merwin: yes |
| 23:33:51 | cynicalliberal | know how to* |
| 23:36:56 | merwin | Bagder: is there a way to gracefully disconnect the device? Or just remove it and use the hardware shutdown? |
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| 23:37:52 | Sniper_Spike | cynicall: CSS as in Counter-Strike Source (i'm unregistered and cannot pm) |
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| 23:38:35 | cynicalliberal | Sniper_Spike: Ah, sorry never played CSS so can't help you there. |
| 23:38:53 | Sniper_Spike | By the way, can rockbox be run with firmware newer than 1.02.15? |
| 23:39:07 | Sniper_Spike | thanks anyway :P |
| 23:39:56 | donvito | Bagder: hey bagder |
| 23:39:59 | merwin | Sniper_Spike: what's the newest firmware? |
| 23:40:35 | Sniper_Spike | 1.03.01 i believe |
| 23:40:48 | merwin | Sniper_Spike: when did that come out? |
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| 23:41:05 | Sniper_Spike | earlier this year |
| 23:41:40 | _Amblin | What of CSS? |
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| 23:42:16 | Sniper_Spike | Abmlin: I was asking how much of an FPS drop I could expect if running CSS under vmware |
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| 23:42:26 | joshin | Sniper_Spike: 99% |
| 23:42:38 | Sniper_Spike | nice -_-' |
| 23:42:48 | cynicalliberal | Is that the one with Hebrew Language support? |
| 23:43:12 | _Amblin | Uh, sorry sniper, cant help you there |
| 23:43:15 | joshin | No virtualization software does 3D GFX well. (And this conversation is off topic for this channel.) |
| 23:43:24 | donvito | Bagder: hey i read that post in the e200r thread, im wondering, does e200 work with the rhapsodys? |
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| 23:43:32 | Sniper_Spike | I know it's offtopic joshin |
| 23:43:45 | Sniper_Spike | I just was wondering because there was talk about vmware emulation |
| 23:43:54 | _Amblin | Rhapsody works with standard E200s, yes |
| 23:43:57 | joshin | Try #vmware - it does exist here |
| 23:43:59 | merwin | Sniper_Spike: Where can i get the mi4 for 1.03.01? |
| 23:44:18 | donvito | _Amblin: well im wondering if it works with the rhapsody editions |
| 23:44:32 | _Amblin | The firmware or the music service? |
| 23:44:47 | donvito | _Amblin: the sansas, so i guess you mean the firmware, yes |
| 23:44:58 | donvito | _Amblin: like the e260r for example |
| 23:45:18 | Sniper_Spike | I don't know about the mi4 |
| 23:45:25 | _Amblin | Badger's working on method to load Rockbox onto the E200R, along with a way to run the standard firmware |
| 23:45:27 | Sniper_Spike | http://www.sandisk.com/Retail/Default.aspx?CatID=1486 |
| 23:45:31 | Sniper_Spike | but here's an exe |
| 23:45:40 | Sniper_Spike | "not backwards compatible" |
| 23:45:44 | cynicalliberal | I think this was brought up in the dev thread |
| 23:45:45 | Sniper_Spike | D: |
| 23:45:50 | _Amblin | The hebrew? |
| 23:46:11 | _Amblin | No, they've found a method to put in old firmware |
| 23:46:15 | donvito | Bagder are you around? |
| 23:47:29 | cynicalliberal | _Amblin: Ah, I see... |
| 23:47:50 | petur | donvito: he lost connection some time ago |
| 23:48:11 | donvito | petur: oh thanks |
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| 23:51:39 | merwin | Sniper_Spike: Did you get the mi4 from the 1.03.01? |
| 23:51:43 | merwin | all i see is an exe |
| 23:52:16 | cynicalliberal | merwin: I think you need to extract it during the update |
| 23:52:39 | merwin | cynicalliberal: yea, just wondering if someone had already done it |
| 23:52:45 | Sniper_Spike | You can extract it with winrar |
| 23:52:50 | Sniper_Spike | without updating |
| 23:53:06 | Sniper_Spike | right click |
| 23:53:11 | Sniper_Spike | "extract files..." |
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| 23:53:25 | Sniper_Spike | assuming you have winrar |
| 23:53:38 | merwin | i'll try that when the dl finishes |
| 23:53:46 | _Amblin | Be carefull with that version, a few people have bricked their players iwth it |
| 23:53:57 | merwin | really? |
| 23:53:59 | merwin | how so? |
| 23:54:36 | donvito | does anyone know if e200tool is compatible with the rhapsody sansa |
| 23:54:39 | donvito | sansas* |
| 23:54:42 | _Amblin | Well they say under normal use, the player locks up or the LCD turns white, they restart it and all they get is a black screen with the ring glowing blue |
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| 23:55:02 | Sniper_Spike | sounds like fun >_> |
| 23:55:13 | _Amblin | If this happens you could probably use that guide on unbricking your player but there is a chance it wont work... |
| 23:56:31 | Sniper_Spike | has anybody else had problems with the LCD turning a splotchy reddish brown? |
| 23:56:40 | Sniper_Spike | when booting that is |
| 23:57:08 | Sniper_Spike | I end up having to do the 15s hardware shut-off |
| 23:57:48 | cynicalliberal | donvito: Yes |
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| 23:58:25 | donvito | cynicalliberal: well im trying to get it to work right now and it wont init |
| 23:58:42 | cynicalliberal | donvito: you running windows or linux? |
| 23:58:54 | donvito | cynicalliberal: windows |
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