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| 00:01:08 | cynicalliberal | Donvito: I can probably make one... but getting it to you might be difficult. |
| 00:01:20 | donvito | cynicalliberal: yea, haha |
| 00:01:32 | donvito | cynicalliberal: would Damn Small Linux be able to build e200tool? |
| 00:02:31 | cynicalliberal | donvito: not too sure, I'm not a developer. I'm a geek with too many toys and no self control. ;) |
| 00:02:54 | Sniper_Spike | haha |
| 00:03:17 | donvito | cynicalliberal: haha, then were in the same boat |
| 00:03:29 | donvito | cynicalliberal: in know some basic programming and whatnot, thats about it |
| 00:03:30 | Sniper_Spike | that led me to bricking my old cell phone! XD |
| 00:03:50 | Sniper_Spike | I'm not doing the same with my sansa. |
| 00:05:16 | cynicalliberal | donvito: I actually might be able to help you... how much longer are you going to be on? |
| 00:06:42 | donvito | cynicalliberal: ive got a while, 2ish hours |
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| 00:07:10 | Sniper_Spike | merwin: how's it going with the hebrew fw? |
| 00:07:40 | cynicalliberal | donvito: ok, because I need to run to campus so I can run my office hours... but they're in the comp lab and I can bring my laptop. |
| 00:07:52 | donvito | cynicalliberal: oh cool! |
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| 00:08:06 | donvito | cynicalliberal: do you use aim or something? |
| 00:08:15 | merwin | Sniper_Spike: I am trying to get rockbox to boot now.... the rockbox fw locks at "SanDisk", while the sansa firmware boots... i might re-download the rockbox bootloader |
| 00:08:27 | merwin | haven't even gotten to the hebrew yet |
| 00:09:15 | cynicalliberal | donvito: because I made a vmware environment for an ubuntu install and its actually not that big. yeah, same name. I keep things simple |
| 00:09:27 | donvito | cynicalliberal: haha cool |
| 00:09:59 | cynicalliberal | donvito: I gotta run but I should be on soonish |
| 00:10:02 | Sniper_Spike | what do you mean merwin? |
| 00:10:07 | donvito | cynicalliberal: ok ill be here |
| 00:10:42 | Sniper_Spike | to boot the sansa firmware you have to go through the rockbox firmware |
| 00:10:53 | Sniper_Spike | i mean |
| 00:10:58 | Sniper_Spike | rockbox bootloader |
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| 00:11:07 | merwin | Sniper_Spike: no, i had problems with the rockbox bootloader itself |
| 00:11:15 | merwin | Sniper_Spike: just got it working, going to decrypt the hebrew mi4 |
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| 00:11:25 | Sniper_Spike | alright |
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| 00:11:40 | Sniper_Spike | the hebrew firmware has a new bl I believe |
| 00:11:54 | merwin | Sniper_Spike: Do you know if i use the G or the H? |
| 00:12:02 | Sniper_Spike | No idea |
| 00:12:28 | Sniper_Spike | I'll look on anythingbutipod |
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| 00:16:25 | Sniper_Spike | Ah |
| 00:17:03 | Sniper_Spike | G is the european, thats why you need to downgrade to A before you install H |
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| 00:17:09 | Sniper_Spike | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?s=78429e0c1b3f52d57e916cb0ccf1b7c3&t=10651 |
| 00:17:19 | Sniper_Spike | from bulldaWg |
| 00:18:02 | Sniper_Spike | apparently the H version has radio as well |
| 00:18:07 | Sniper_Spike | while G doesn't |
| 00:18:17 | _Amblin | Ugh |
| 00:18:31 | _Amblin | Someone on that site just installed rockbox and forgot to include the OF.bin |
| 00:18:42 | _Amblin | I get a timeout with that link |
| 00:19:14 | Sniper_Spike | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?s=78429e0c1b3f52d57e916cb0ccf1b7c3&t=10620 |
| 00:19:33 | merwin | Sniper_Spike: i have american normally :) |
| 00:19:40 | Sniper_Spike | yes |
| 00:19:44 | Sniper_Spike | I was just quoting him |
| 00:19:44 | merwin | how do you "downgrade" to american? |
| 00:20:12 | Sniper_Spike | as I understand |
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| 00:20:21 | Sniper_Spike | he means if you installed G |
| 00:20:25 | Sniper_Spike | and are having problems |
| 00:20:34 | Sniper_Spike | downgrade to 1.02.15A |
| 00:20:36 | Sniper_Spike | and install H |
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| 00:21:14 | merwin | ah |
| 00:21:45 | merwin | rockbox can't boot hebrew G |
| 00:21:52 | merwin | i'm going to try h |
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| 00:25:18 | merwin | Sniper_Spike: can't boot the hebrew H either |
| 00:25:52 | Sniper_Spike | hm |
| 00:25:58 | merwin | Sniper_Spike: Also, the mi4decode decrypts with key sansa_gh, so that's probably the reason |
| 00:26:29 | Sniper_Spike | yah.. |
| 00:26:29 | _Amblin | Im having a lot of fun with Quicktime :/ |
| 00:26:53 | barrywardell | merwin: what error are you getting? |
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| 00:28:47 | Sniper_Spike | so what would the problem be with, the rockbox bl? |
| 00:29:03 | Sniper_Spike | I mean |
| 00:29:38 | Sniper_Spike | If you think about it, the key shouldn't have anything to do with it once the firmware is decrypted, right? |
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| 00:30:37 | barrywardell | yes |
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| 00:31:03 | barrywardell | assuming he decrypted it properly. I wonder if he also stripped the header? |
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| 00:32:03 | Sniper_Spike | the '-s"? |
| 00:32:11 | Sniper_Spike | option |
| 00:32:18 | barrywardell | yes |
| 00:33:23 | _Amblin | Where would I go about downloading plugins for rockbox? |
| 00:33:46 | safetydan | _Amblin, the plugins are already in the build |
| 00:34:02 | _Amblin | Well Im hunting for the Mpegplayer. |
| 00:34:19 | _Amblin | Is it not included as its still a work in progress? |
| 00:34:19 | Sniper_Spike | there's a link to it on the wiki is there not? |
| 00:34:26 | _Amblin | Lemme check that |
| 00:34:27 | safetydan | That's a viewer not a plugin, and it is included. |
| 00:34:29 | merwin | Sniper_Spike: I didn't use -s :) |
| 00:34:36 | cynicalliberal | _Amblin: it should already be in there |
| 00:34:38 | Sniper_Spike | XD |
| 00:34:46 | safetydan | Read the documentation here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 00:35:06 | merwin | Sniper_Spike: I think when you install the hebrew version, it changes your player to only accept the sansa_gh key |
| 00:35:22 | Sniper_Spike | but all you did was run the mi4 |
| 00:35:29 | Sniper_Spike | you did nothing with the bootloader |
| 00:35:35 | Sniper_Spike | correct? |
| 00:36:06 | merwin | Sniper_Spike: i tried just loading the mi4 into my player, and it won't boot |
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| 00:36:22 | merwin | Sniper_Spike: It changes the bootloader somehow i think, when you run the installer |
| 00:36:32 | Sniper_Spike | yes it does |
| 00:36:32 | merwin | Sniper_Spike: I also tried decrypting it and letting rockbox try to boot it |
| 00:36:34 | merwin | Sniper_Spike: didn't work |
| 00:36:42 | Sniper_Spike | it changes the files the bootloader searches for |
| 00:36:59 | cynicalliberal | merwin: were you able to decrypt it? |
| 00:37:12 | Sniper_Spike | but why did you run the installer? |
| 00:37:20 | merwin | cynicalliberal: Yeah, but it decrypts it with the sansa_gh key and not the sansa key |
| 00:37:25 | merwin | Sniper_Spike: i didn't run the installer |
| 00:37:29 | merwin | Sniper_Spike: I'm not dumb :) |
| 00:37:33 | Sniper_Spike | XD |
| 00:37:36 | Sniper_Spike | ok |
| 00:37:43 | Sniper_Spike | so your bootloader should not be affected |
| 00:37:47 | merwin | right |
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| 00:38:12 | cynicalliberal | merwin: which mi4 did you use? the g or the h? |
| 00:38:21 | Sniper_Spike | he tried both i believe |
| 00:38:22 | merwin | cynicalliberal: Tried both |
| 00:38:35 | vertz | how come rockbox uses so much battery? |
| 00:38:48 | cynicalliberal | merwin: ah, I was looking at them and wondering what the difference was. |
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| 00:39:10 | _Amblin | For the Mpegplayer, I should be looking in the plugins menu for something by the name of Mpeg Player, or Mpeg Viewer? |
| 00:39:10 | cynicalliberal | vertz: because it hasn't been optimized for said hardware |
| 00:39:26 | merwin | Where can i find the BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom for the normal e200? |
| 00:39:34 | Sniper_Spike | no should should not amblin |
| 00:39:35 | vertz | cynicalliberal: will it ever be? |
| 00:39:43 | Sniper_Spike | just run a mpeg file with it |
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| 00:39:46 | Sniper_Spike | go to files |
| 00:39:55 | _Amblin | Ah |
| 00:39:56 | cynicalliberal | vertz: I hope so! |
| 00:39:56 | _Amblin | I see |
| 00:39:56 | Sniper_Spike | and "open with..." i would assume |
| 00:40:01 | safetydan | _Amblin, read the documentation. You should just be able to "play" the file |
| 00:40:07 | vertz | cynicalliberal: me too :) |
| 00:40:17 | _Amblin | Ok, thanks. |
| 00:40:46 | barrywardell | merwin: why do you want it? it shouldn't be necessary to have that file for running rockbox |
| 00:41:50 | Sniper_Spike | doesn't the bl search for the mi4 (which would actually be the rockbox bootloader)? |
| 00:42:09 | merwin | barrywardell: Just for trying some stuff |
| 00:42:45 | barrywardell | i wouldn't recommend "just trying some stuff" with the bootloader - people have bricked their sansas that way! |
| 00:43:03 | merwin | barrywardell: I know... i've got two of them though :P E200, and E200R |
| 00:43:20 | barrywardell | but if you really want to, you can download it from here: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html |
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| 00:43:53 | Sniper_Spike | theres no link for it |
| 00:43:57 | barrywardell | but don't say i didn't warn you! |
| 00:44:14 | cynicalliberal | its the BL ROM I believe? |
| 00:44:16 | Sniper_Spike | the 1.02.15A row just says |
| 00:44:32 | Sniper_Spike | "regular bl" without a link |
| 00:45:08 | Sniper_Spike | I would assume it's a shared bootloader with another version then? |
| 00:45:24 | barrywardell | probably, but I'm not sure |
| 00:45:33 | barrywardell | Bagder would know, but he's not here right now |
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| 00:46:25 | merwin | cynicalliberal: it's BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom |
| 00:46:41 | merwin | i extracted it from the exe on daniel's site |
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| 00:47:20 | Sniper_Spike | http://home.earthlink.net/~contxt/1.02.15A.zip |
| 00:47:25 | Sniper_Spike | there's the mi4 and the bl |
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| 00:48:25 | merwin | when you use the e200tool recover, you have to have BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom in the same folder, right? |
| 00:48:58 | Sniper_Spike | as the mi4? |
| 00:49:05 | merwin | no |
| 00:49:14 | merwin | for the "e200tool recover" command |
| 00:49:22 | Sniper_Spike | oh |
| 00:49:34 | Sniper_Spike | don't know.. |
| 00:49:37 | donutman25 | does anyone here have the newest hebrew firmware in a zip? |
| 00:49:52 | merwin | donutman25: just download the hebrew firmware, and extract it with winrar |
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| 00:50:04 | donutman25 | thnx |
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| 00:50:30 | Sniper_Spike | make sure you select the firmware from the "...H" folder |
| 00:50:36 | Sniper_Spike | and not G |
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| 00:50:53 | cynicalliberal | Sniper_Spike: what's in G? |
| 00:51:04 | Sniper_Spike | europian firmware |
| 00:51:18 | Sniper_Spike | *european |
| 00:51:35 | Sniper_Spike | without FM |
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| 00:53:57 | SofRaZorbacK | hi, is there an admin who can help for wiki access please? |
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| 00:54:06 | barrywardell | merwin: why are you trying to recover if your sansa is already working? |
| 00:54:55 | merwin | barrywardell: trying to convert sansa's between different types (r to normal, etc) |
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| 00:57:10 | SofRaZorbacK | or, maybe someone in here has enough access to move an attached file on a wiki page. I've uploaded a voice file but i need to update it with a new one cuz the first contains a mistake. any help? |
| 00:57:43 | barrywardell | merwin: dan_a tried doing that earlier. maybe he can fill you in on what he did |
| 00:57:50 | barrywardell | (if he's around) |
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| 00:58:58 | Sniper_Spike | later |
| 00:59:07 | Sniper_Spike | im out for tonight |
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| 01:00:20 | Nackon | is there a utility that'll let u format 60GB HD into Fat32 under winxp? |
| 01:00:32 | merwin | barrywardell: I heard about it |
| 01:00:38 | Galois | I have wiki access (I think) |
| 01:00:49 | merwin | he made a e200 into an e200r and couldn't get it back |
| 01:00:53 | merwin | i'm tryin to go the other way :) |
| 01:01:02 | barrywardell | ah, ok |
| 01:01:10 | Nackon | trying to format this HD for my iRiver player.. |
| 01:01:16 | Nackon | XP won't do it natively |
| 01:01:48 | Febs | God, I can't stand people who ask for help and then don't listen to the advice they receive. |
| 01:01:54 | | Quit GodEater_ (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) |
| 01:01:58 | pixelma | SofRaZorbacK: you can edit it yourself (IIRC you already have write access) - click on attach - then a list of the already attached files comes up and then you can choose "manage" and it lets you upload a new file then |
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| 01:02:15 | | Nick cynicalliberal__ is now known as cynicalliberal (i=chatzill@moobilenet6-55.ucdavis.edu) |
| 01:02:21 | Febs | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9278.0 |
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| 01:02:53 | Nackon | Febs: was that for me? |
| 01:03:13 | Febs | No, sorry. Just venting about the forum thread I just linked to. |
| 01:03:22 | Nackon | oh |
| 01:03:57 | safetydan | Nackon, there's some utilities out there that will let you format a drive larger than 32GB with FAT32. Unfortunately I can't remember any of their names. Google is probably your best bet. |
| 01:04:10 | Febs | swissknife |
| 01:04:27 | Nackon | just tried swisskife, it thinks my drive is 40gb |
| 01:04:44 | SofRaZorbacK | thx pixelma, i'll try |
| 01:04:59 | Nackon | safetydan: yeah, been googling for the past hour couldn't find nothing :/ |
| 01:05:11 | Nackon | maybe I'm not googling right hehe |
| 01:05:26 | safetydan | Nackon, if you really get stuck you could always use a Linux boot CD to do it :) |
| 01:05:52 | Nackon | will it detect USB HDs? |
| 01:06:03 | safetydan | yes |
| 01:06:13 | Febs | You might also be able to do it using the native firmware's format utility. |
| 01:06:44 | cynicalliberal | there's a linux clone of partition magic out there... I can't remember what its called |
| 01:06:49 | Nackon | Febs: nope, it doesn't do it gives error (lots of ppl seem to have same error) |
| 01:07:22 | Nackon | cynicallliberal: for windows? |
| 01:07:38 | Nackon | QTParted? |
| 01:08:09 | Nackon | yeah, it's linux based |
| 01:08:41 | cynicalliberal | yes that's the one I was thinking |
| 01:09:10 | Galois | www.sysresccd.org |
| 01:10:00 | Galois | hm, system rescue cd used to have QTparted, but now it has gparted |
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| 01:11:58 | merwin | Apparently you can't flash the e200 bootloader onto the e200r, even using e200tool |
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| 01:12:15 | JdGordon | hey all |
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| 01:12:41 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: have you seen http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8703.msg71567#msg71567? another nasty voice bug :( |
| 01:14:03 | JdGordon | at least i think its a voice problem and not a menu one... |
| 01:15:09 | cynicalliberal | http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/index.htm?fat32format.htm |
| 01:15:23 | cynicalliberal | Nackon ^ |
| 01:16:29 | Nackon | thanks, lemme see... |
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| 01:19:28 | cynicalliberal | Nackon: if it works, for future reference I found it on wikipedia under FAT32 |
| 01:19:42 | chris_ | hi guys, anyone with a sandisk e200? How's the battery life? Says not optimal in the wiki but doesn't give times. |
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| 01:19:53 | pixelma | JdGordon: strange thing... these 3 strings are new since the main menu, no? |
| 01:20:22 | barrywardell | chris_: nobody has done a battery life test yet |
| 01:20:58 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: will check out |
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| 01:21:05 | cynicalliberal | barrywardell: I wouldn't mind doing it... the plugin should work "out of box" right? |
| 01:21:26 | chris_ | barrywardell: oh well, it's cool what happened with the company that provided the DAC though;) I like the sansa. |
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| 01:22:24 | barrywardell | cynicalliberal: the only problem you will encounter is with it wanting to shut down before the battery is actually dead. |
| 01:22:25 | _Amblin | chris: From my use of rockbox today Id estimate no less than 10 hours of battery life under RB |
| 01:22:33 | JdGordon | pixelma: didnt he say all the main menu didnt voice? not just the new strings? and only after stopping playback which is why i tihnk its actually voice related |
| 01:22:38 | barrywardell | i'm currently working on getting more accurate battery readings, so if you wait till I commit my changes, then it will be easier |
| 01:23:03 | _Amblin | Right now Rockbox reads my batter as 5% yet the original firmware reads my batter as 2/4ths full |
| 01:23:13 | chris_ | _Amblin: that's cool. I look forward to more improvements in it. I gotta replace my ipod mini but need something that does audio books ok and rockbox appears to. Other than that, It looks like more ipods for me... |
| 01:23:30 | Nackon | cynicallliberal: well it involves using windows to create a disk, and windows thinks I got a 2terabyte HD |
| 01:23:33 | cynicalliberal | barrywardell: sure |
| 01:23:37 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: If I have voice on, so far I've always heard the main menu voice right from startup |
| 01:23:43 | pixelma | JdGordon: he says "the "Settings", "Files", and |
| 01:23:43 | pixelma | "Resume playback" options stop speaking |
| 01:23:59 | pixelma | after stopping playback |
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| 01:24:33 | jhMikeS | I havent' observed myself a problem with any of them so far ... those or any others |
| 01:24:36 | barrywardell | _Amblin: that's because we have yet to calibrate the battery readings |
| 01:24:50 | jhMikeS | stopping playback or not |
| 01:25:08 | jhMikeS | but I'll go throught the recipe and see |
| 01:25:33 | _Amblin | barry: I know, thank you for your work on it |
| 01:26:15 | donutman25 | i have had it |
| 01:26:40 | _Amblin | ? |
| 01:26:44 | donutman25 | mpegplayer is just tooo hard to work on. i'm moving on to something more simpler |
| 01:26:53 | * | JdGordon doesnt have a voice file here so cant actually test |
| 01:26:55 | pixelma | can't comment on this as I don't have an up-to-date voice file - the new ones are almost all too big and the one available for my player that fits (which is available) is one I don't like too much |
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| 01:27:03 | _Amblin | Nooo |
| 01:27:44 | _Amblin | One of the main reasons I was jazzed about rockbox is because I would finally be able to use a better video codec |
| 01:27:51 | JdGordon | pixelma: do you know how big the plugin buffer is on the archos? |
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| 01:28:11 | pixelma | no idea about the plugin buffer |
| 01:28:40 | safetydan | JdGordon, I have a vague recollection that it's 64k |
| 01:28:43 | * | JdGordon wonders if we can split the voie file into 2, and put the smaller one in the plugin buffer if its not being used |
| 01:28:53 | JdGordon | 64K isnt very big :( |
| 01:29:03 | safetydan | 64k should be enough for everyone |
| 01:29:06 | jhMikeS | the prlugin buffer isn't being used? |
| 01:29:17 | _Amblin | 64K is...really tiny.. |
| 01:29:20 | jhMikeS | the current codec and the plugin share IRAM |
| 01:29:23 | donutman25 | trying to figure out how to implement the circular buffer for mpegplayer has given a major headache |
| 01:29:41 | JdGordon | 0x8000 is 64k? |
| 01:29:47 | jhMikeS | 0x10000 |
| 01:29:56 | jhMikeS | 0x8000 = 32k |
| 01:29:57 | JdGordon | so its even smaller :p |
| 01:30:00 | pixelma | JdGordon: it should become better with the langV2 cleanup - with it target specific voice file are possible |
| 01:30:41 | pixelma | and I guess a split voice file isn't very handy |
| 01:30:46 | JdGordon | safetydan: any idea when that will be ready? |
| 01:31:17 | vertz | JdGordon: got some happy scroll news for me? hehe |
| 01:31:18 | jhMikeS | I'm thinking it's time to put the in place codec swapping in and gear it up to use different voice codecs anyway |
| 01:31:18 | JdGordon | yea, split voice files would suck, but if there is no other way..... |
| 01:31:30 | safetydan | JdGordon, sounds like soon. Nils has basically taken over the patch from me. |
| 01:31:38 | JdGordon | vertz: well nope :) I fixed it up for ipod, but it didnt work so well |
| 01:31:48 | pixelma | nls is also working on it - and I am starting with it too |
| 01:31:53 | JdGordon | cool |
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| 01:33:36 | vertz | JdGordon: oh, how come? how well did it work? usable at all? |
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| 01:34:09 | jhMikeS | And if we could get rid of that voice thread ... should be possible but needs another type of codec ... rrrr more work |
| 01:34:52 | JdGordon | vertz: it sort of worked, but after a while even if you didnt touch the wheel, as long as you kept going in the same direction it would strat skipping heaps of items |
| 01:35:20 | vertz | ehe |
| 01:38:18 | JdGordon | there is a patch on the tracker which has the ipod stuff in it if you really want to try it |
| 01:38:53 | JdGordon | but hopefully scroll speed will work differently/better on targets with a scroller (ipod, gb, e200) |
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| 01:40:10 | vertz | JdGordon: i'll check it out |
| 01:40:24 | vertz | hmm, i wonder, is there something you ca use to like tag files? |
| 01:40:54 | JdGordon | there are lots of somethings you can use to like tag files |
| 01:41:04 | vertz | i use to listen to audiobooks at work, would to nice to tag the latest file i listened to |
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| 01:45:58 | pixelma | ahaha... looking at the langV2-patched simulator but not having chosen english as lang file leeds to interesting menu names and submenus... :D |
| 01:46:48 | JdGordon | how so? everything is wrong? |
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| 01:48:00 | pixelma | yeah - because they aren't translated. I have a "Apr" and "Dec" in the settings menu, I can enter "Apr" and get "Mai", "Jun"... as entries... |
| 01:49:33 | pixelma | (only english.lang as the master is changed) |
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| 01:51:53 | JdGordon | tere are two updated lang files on the tracker.. should we bother commiting them? or leave them if the cleanup is close? |
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| 01:53:47 | pixelma | dunno... can't really tell how long it'll take. |
| 01:55:51 | pixelma | but now that I've experienced this - I think it's very important to get translated lang-files with it too very soon (because some of the entries will be way off - if you can say so) |
| 01:57:23 | pixelma | I mean you can move it around from the existing ones but if you don't understand the language that'll be very hard |
| 01:57:26 | JdGordon | the binary version is getting bumped so it shouldnt accept old .lngs right? |
| 01:58:16 | pixelma | guess so |
| 01:59:18 | JdGordon | bah, fs#6765 doesnt give his full name... |
| 01:59:31 | JdGordon | unless we dont bother about that and the credits file for langS? |
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| 02:00:22 | pixelma | I thought we do |
| 02:01:29 | vertz | night all |
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| 02:14:28 | Soap | IMHO (which isn't worth a pile of beans because I don't submit code) ipod, gb, and sansa should scroll lists based on speed, not length of button press, but that's neither here nor there. |
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| 02:29:22 | Thundercloud | grr brb |
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| 02:33:34 | Arathis | barrywardell: reading the recent svn commits the bootloader on h10 shouldn't print any output, right? It would just be iRiver BL −−> RB logo −−> RB menu |
| 02:33:57 | barrywardell | Arathis: yes, unless there is an error or PLAY is held |
| 02:35:59 | Arathis | Hm, I don't see an error (at least it doesn't stop) and I don't push play, but it still appears as before/normal. I tried resetting the player settings more than one and deleted the whole .rockbox before updating (config, tag-cache and bookmarks where saved and restored) |
| 02:38:00 | barrywardell | hmmm. did you compile the bootloader from SVN? the version on download.rockbox.org hasn't been updated yet |
| 02:38:58 | Arathis | Ah, okay. I only download latest SVN builds |
| 02:40:13 | barrywardell | no, you need to build a new bootloader (ie. mi4) and update that |
| 02:40:52 | Arathis | oh, sure. Didn'T think of that. |
| 02:40:55 | Arathis | XD |
| 02:40:57 | Arathis | my fault |
| 02:43:27 | Arathis | well, I think I'll wait till "someone" uploads a new one. My rockbox updating script checks out the date of the bootloader on download.rockbox.org so I will notice when there's a newer version. The change isn't a feature I cannot live without ;) |
| 02:45:23 | * | cynicalliberal pokes the sansa install forum as the same question is already appearing over and over. |
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| 03:08:07 | JdGordon | aliask: you at uni? |
| 03:08:18 | aliask | Nope. I finished at 11am today |
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| 03:08:40 | JdGordon | im boooored |
| 03:08:57 | aliask | I was serious about those bigger icons in the menus. |
| 03:09:02 | aliask | They'd look really nice. |
| 03:09:55 | JdGordon | theyd look awesome... and could in theory be done |
| 03:10:02 | JdGordon | but they might look odd with colour bacjdrops |
| 03:10:28 | aliask | Ah yes, the problem of alpha levels... or lack thereof |
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| 03:11:04 | JdGordon | actually... as long as they dont have the magenta transparent colour in them they could look ok |
| 03:11:06 | aliask | Well, I guess there's always bmp transparency, that'd be ok I guess |
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| 03:11:37 | aliask | Why would the magenta transparency be a problem |
| 03:11:38 | * | JdGordon had a go at themeing the whole list, but failed because of the evil bmp drawing code |
| 03:11:48 | JdGordon | it would look funny... |
| 03:12:02 | aliask | Not necessarily |
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| 03:12:33 | aliask | You could write a png renderer with alpha channel support if you're THAT bored... |
| 03:12:36 | aliask | :) |
| 03:12:49 | JdGordon | only have 45min... not long enough :p |
| 03:13:54 | aliask | You at the library or something? |
| 03:15:01 | JdGordon | comp lab |
| 03:16:45 | JdGordon | hmm... why doesnt the text get drawn onto a seperate buffer from the rest of the image so we could have text ontop of pics :( |
| 03:17:31 | JdGordon | then when a rect is updated copy the background buffer, then the image buffer then text text buffer onto the lcd frame buffer... |
| 03:17:44 | JdGordon | it would slow things down a bit but make it better! |
| 03:17:55 | * | JdGordon talking to self :p |
| 03:19:09 | aliask | I have had very similar thoughts |
| 03:19:36 | aliask | I think if we ended up with alpha support in the core it'd have to be done somehow like that. |
| 03:20:47 | JdGordon | for simplicity, the text buffer would only need to be 1bbp instead of the full depth.. unless we wanted different colours in the text |
| 03:21:08 | JdGordon | then we could do funky shit like gradients in the text colour |
| 03:21:19 | aliask | Or antialiasing |
| 03:22:17 | JdGordon | and they wanted to use the 2nd core for _audio playback_.... silly buggers.. the drawing thread should go there :p |
| 03:22:48 | aliask | Haha, but then we become like iPL, prettiness > functionality |
| 03:23:31 | JdGordon | we are half there already... |
| 03:23:44 | * | JdGordon just found a bug in the tree browser |
| 03:24:53 | aliask | Sqaush! |
| 03:25:30 | * | JdGordon doesnt like coding in vim |
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| 03:27:29 | chris_ | holy carp, there are themes for the sansa e200 already. nice |
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| 03:28:26 | JdGordon | not many tho :( |
| 03:28:45 | chris_ | yah, it's still cool. |
| 03:28:53 | JdGordon | hmm... this bug doesnt apear to be where I thought it was |
| 03:29:04 | chris_ | I'll have to throw rockbox back on my ipod mini to see if I still like the bookmarking functionality or not. |
| 03:29:10 | aliask | JdGordon: Don't like coding in vim? It's so easy to spot mistakes! |
| 03:29:27 | JdGordon | I dont like working in vim at all actually |
| 03:29:33 | JdGordon | specially not coding... I like the mouse |
| 03:30:03 | chris_ | you'll get used to it;) I used to hate vi. now I just loathe vi, soon I may tolerate vi;) |
| 03:30:04 | aliask | Takes a bit of getting used to, but I prefer it to gui coding. I almost never use my mouse anyway. |
| 03:30:34 | chris_ | it's really nice if you have the 500 or so hours to learn all the tricks.. |
| 03:30:34 | cynicalliberal | is there any particular reason why the backdrops are .bmp? |
| 03:30:46 | chris_ | and I'm not adding anything to the conversation so I'll be quiet now.. |
| 03:30:56 | aliask | cynicalliberal: Because they are easy to render |
| 03:30:56 | safetydan | cynicalliberal, because bmp is really easy to support |
| 03:31:27 | aliask | I win! |
| 03:31:31 | aliask | :P |
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| 03:31:42 | cynicalliberal | ah, ok. I was wondering because .bmp are usually rather large files |
| 03:31:43 | safetydan | not on my screen :) |
| 03:31:56 | aliask | safetydan: The logs back me as the winner, I checked :) |
| 03:32:40 | aliask | cynicalliberal: Yeah, you have to remember that most of the players that rockbox run on have pretty limited CPU's |
| 03:32:41 | safetydan | cynicalliberal, disk space is the one thing we usually have a lot of so large files aren't really a consideration. CPU and memory are always constrained so compressed formats are actually a net loss |
| 03:32:47 | safetydan | bah, beaten again |
| 03:33:10 | aliask | Nah, I'll let you have that one, your answer was more complete. |
| 03:33:16 | cynicalliberal | lol, safetydan you get... style points? |
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| 03:34:03 | JdGordon | well... we could really add support for any format really... the hard part is the loading... once its in memory it will be stored in the native format anyway |
| 03:34:29 | cynicalliberal | well anyway, thanks to the both of you I now understand. |
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| 03:36:04 | aliask | JdGordon: But the renderer itself would have to be in memory, and the more complicated it is the larger it's likely to be. |
| 03:38:25 | JdGordon | na, the loader could be a rock |
| 03:38:57 | JdGordon | brb |
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| 03:45:18 | DPic | What is the difference between Ipod Video, Ipod Video - Boot, and Ipod Video - sim? |
| 03:45:23 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I thought awhile back about adding a small header to the images that would give needed info about it so that a single bitmap function can be used for all types and no need to pass the sizes. Would simplify a lot of stuff really and is probably a fairly simple change. |
| 03:46:01 | Llorean | DPic: One's the build, one's the bootloader, one's the simulator. |
| 03:46:30 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Don't bitmaps already have a header with depth, width, and height? |
| 03:46:35 | DPic | hmm...now i'm new to all of this |
| 03:46:35 | jhMikeS | no |
| 03:46:39 | DPic | Which one do i need? |
| 03:46:50 | Llorean | DPic: Are you reading the manual? |
| 03:46:50 | jhMikeS | you pass it to every instance of a call |
| 03:46:54 | DPic | The documentation is pretyt confusing |
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| 03:47:03 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Oh, I was thinking of on-disk bitmaps, not the internal bitmaps |
| 03:47:19 | Llorean | DPic: Are you reading the _manual_ |
| 03:47:25 | jbwan | had a bit of a flub and had to reload rockbox firmware today |
| 03:47:27 | Llorean | DPic: The PDF one. |
| 03:47:40 | DPic | I'm at this one http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html |
| 03:47:44 | jbwan | I was experimenting with different apps to transfer songs and I think YamiPod or gtkPod did something to it |
| 03:47:51 | jhMikeS | :) I think adding some info like that would reduce size. Font glyph headers can be made on the fly or made unnescessary. |
| 03:48:07 | Llorean | DPic: Okay, and I assume you're at the point where it tells you to download the current build, right? |
| 03:48:16 | DPic | mhmm |
| 03:48:21 | Llorean | DPic: Please, read the text at the top of the page it sent you to. |
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| 03:48:35 | Llorean | "Below the table are builds of Rockbox" |
| 03:48:40 | Llorean | The table itself has nothing you need. |
| 03:49:19 | DPic | Ohhh |
| 03:49:19 | DPic | Thanks |
| 03:49:47 | DPic | I'm a little dense sometimes |
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| 03:53:50 | jbwan | Llorean: do you know if there are people(s) testing iPod media transfer apps? rhythmbox, gtkpod, yamipod etc.. ? Or does anyone care? |
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| 03:54:32 | Llorean | jbwan: Most of use just use whatever file browser we use. |
| 03:55:47 | jbwan | Llorean: do you have a recommendation? |
| 03:56:02 | jbwan | cause I'm still trying to tweak my iPod to Linux and get a good library set up |
| 03:56:15 | Llorean | I just have all my music on my player. |
| 03:56:28 | Llorean | I dragged it there once, in Windows Explorer, and was done with it... |
| 03:56:59 | Llorean | I don't really have a use for a 'sync' program of some sort. |
| 03:57:27 | Galois | I find command line tools like rsync to be quite suitable for ipods |
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| 03:58:03 | Galois | rsync -a, for example, will compare date stamps and only upload newer files, and it traverses directories recursively |
| 03:58:56 | jhMikeS | back to catchup work. time to kill remote ticking on the x5 :P |
| 03:59:24 | jbwan | hmm... what dir do I dump the music into for rockbox? |
| 03:59:34 | jbwan | the generic music dir on the ipod? |
| 03:59:41 | sneakums | rsync is pretty handy |
| 03:59:49 | Galois | you can put it in any directory except ipod_control |
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| 04:00:08 | jbwan | and when you do the db sync it will find it? |
| 04:00:09 | sneakums | "rsync −−delete -vrtm −−modify-window=2 ~/oggchive/ /oggpod/music/", which handles fat's bogus timestamps and also doesn't whine when it can't set the some unix-type permissions that fat doesn't support |
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| 04:00:26 | sneakums | and also deletes files no longer present in the source directory |
| 04:00:40 | Galois | I never used dbs, but my guess is yes |
| 04:01:19 | Llorean | Galois: You can even put it in ipod_control, it's just silly to since it's hidden. |
| 04:01:32 | Llorean | jbwan: If you're referring to the Database Update, that searches the entire contents of your drive. |
| 04:01:56 | jbwan | awesome |
| 04:02:14 | Galois | for simplicity it's better to tell new users that ipod_control is off limits even though there are ways around it |
| 04:02:44 | Llorean | Galois: I don't think it's ever good to outright lie to people. |
| 04:03:18 | jbwan | hehe didn't mean to start a quibble |
| 04:03:33 | Galois | I think you can word it in such a way that it is not a lie |
| 04:03:38 | Llorean | The only thing that restricts use of ipod_control is that it's hidden. It's hardly a large stumbling block. You could just say "You can put files anywhere, but ipod_control is hidden so music in it won't be visible" |
| 04:03:48 | Galois | that wording is too complicated |
| 04:04:10 | Galois | new users are not the same as longtime developers and we should not treat them the same |
| 04:04:24 | Llorean | How is that too complicated? |
| 04:04:47 | Llorean | As far as I'm concerned, telling them a folder can't have music in it is a thousand times worse than taking an extra few seconds to type a longer line and clarify something. |
| 04:04:59 | Llorean | Because then you get them telling other users the same thing, and then people actually _believe_ that it's true. |
| 04:05:27 | Galois | there's no reason why anyone would ever WANT to put music in ipod_control anyway. You're acting like it's a big crime against humanity to restrict this folder. |
| 04:05:51 | Llorean | No, I'm acting like it's frustrating that you lied about the capabilities of Rockbox when you said "you can put it in any directory except ipod_control" |
| 04:06:10 | Llorean | You could've said "You can put it anywhere, but shouldn't put it in ipod_control" if you didn't want to explain things. |
| 04:06:12 | Galois | technically, I lied in the sense that you can put music anywhere no matter what rockbox thinks |
| 04:06:36 | Llorean | Either way, your statement provided misinformation about what Rockbox can or cannot accept. |
| 04:07:16 | Galois | I honestly think the world would be better off if everyone had the false impression that ipod_control was off limits than if everybody had the false impression that ipod_control was a normal folder to rockbox, which it ain't |
| 04:07:27 | Llorean | It is a normal folder to rockbox. |
| 04:07:28 | Llorean | It is 100% normal |
| 04:07:35 | Galois | it clearly is not. It's hidden by default. |
| 04:07:40 | Galois | That makes it different from other folds. |
| 04:07:40 | Galois | folders |
| 04:07:49 | Llorean | Any folder marked as hidden will be hidden. |
| 04:07:52 | Llorean | This is normal filesystem behaviour. |
| 04:08:04 | Galois | It's hidden by default (emphasis added) |
| 04:08:12 | Llorean | That doesn't make it abnormal TO ROCKBOX. |
| 04:08:19 | Galois | it makes it different. |
| 04:08:25 | Llorean | The folder itself is different, yes. |
| 04:08:33 | Llorean | But Rockbox doesn't _treat_ it differently |
| 04:08:40 | Galois | the folder is different in a way that confuses new users if they treat it as the same |
| 04:08:48 | Llorean | So tell them not to use it. |
| 04:09:00 | Llorean | But don't lie to them and tell them Rockbox treats it different, or that Rockbox can't use it. |
| 04:09:04 | Galois | that's what I said, I said you can't use it. Obviosuly this is not to be taken literally, since literally you can use it. |
| 04:09:17 | Galois | I admit I lied in that sense. |
| 04:09:25 | Llorean | Many people WILL take it literally. |
| 04:09:39 | Galois | if they are THAT prone to confusion, better that than the other confusion |
| 04:09:51 | Llorean | Little statements like that have, in the past, come back as incredibly silly feature requests. Yours could come back as something like "Please let music in ipod_control work" |
| 04:10:07 | Llorean | No, better explain to them WHY not to use it. |
| 04:10:10 | Llorean | Then make them think they can't. |
| 04:10:22 | Llorean | If you can't be bothered to answer a question in a factual manner, just ignore the question. |
| 04:10:33 | Llorean | But don't lie to our users about the capabilities of the software just to make your job easier. |
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| 04:10:57 | Llorean | It makes support harder in the long term. |
| 04:11:11 | Galois | I still disagree. Any user stupid enough to deliberately put music in ipod_control and then lodge a feature request asking for that use case to work is really too much trouble than they're worth. They will cause support problems in many other ways other than just this way. |
| 04:11:46 | Llorean | And if you'd told him HOW to use music there or WHY he shouldn't put it there instead, maybe it wouldn't be a problem. |
| 04:11:51 | Galois | it's not like there is some stunningly attractive property of ipod_control that will induce users to actively want to put music there. |
| 04:12:10 | Llorean | Maybe he already knows that iTunes syncs music to ipod_control, and your statement made him think Rockbox couldn't play itunes synced music? |
| 04:12:52 | Llorean | Our hypothetical user could actually _not_ be clueless, and take your worse literally, added to a bit of real knowledge, and draw a perfectly logical but improper conclusion. |
| 04:12:58 | Llorean | words literally |
| 04:13:16 | Galois | maybe, but there are so many faq entries on this exact subject already and people who I have never spoken to in my life still have difficulties |
| 04:13:45 | Llorean | Yes, but people are more likely to trust a human being than the FAQ. |
| 04:13:48 | Llorean | Assuming they've even read it. |
| 04:14:09 | Llorean | Why is it so hard to just say "I won't lie to your users about what your software can do." |
| 04:14:20 | Galois | I won't. I'm sorry I lied. |
| 04:14:58 | Llorean | I'm sorry I'm making a big deal about this, but I read dozens of support requests a day about Rockbox, and I have very real firsthand experience about how "Someone told me that..." comes back to haunt, quite literally, me. |
| 04:15:34 | Galois | I think the danger of a new user putting their music in ipod_control, not seeing their music, and getting disgusted with the whole project, is a much more common and much more important case than the corner case that you're presenting of your hypothetical user who satisfies a ton of unlikely conditions and gets misled in the other direction. |
| 04:15:56 | Llorean | So tell them not to use it. |
| 04:15:58 | Llorean | Tell them WHY not to use it. |
| 04:16:03 | Llorean | Educate the user a little bit. |
| 04:16:17 | Galois | however, I admit that lying is suboptimal, so I will not lie. |
| 04:16:19 | Llorean | But don't mislead them by telling them they _can't_ use it. |
| 04:17:27 | Llorean | Sorry, I kinda blew up about this. |
| 04:17:31 | Llorean | It's just a major pet peeve of mine. |
| 04:18:25 | Galois | I was trying to save you support requests. If users don't know about the hidden property of ipod_control then you'd be getting not dozens, but hundreds of messages asking "where r my filez" |
| 04:19:13 | Galois | I thought this tradeoff was acceptable. However I agree that I should not only try to trade off hundreds for dozens, but also eliminate the ensuing dozens if I can. So I will do that in the future. |
| 04:19:14 | Llorean | Only if you don't tell them anything at all, rather than telling them why not to. |
| 04:19:52 | Llorean | You assume that the only trade was hundreds for dozens, but that's assuming you tell them nothing vs telling them they can't do it, and leaves out the case of actually explaining things to them, again. |
| 04:20:31 | Llorean | You presented that as if the only two options were "Tell them it can't" and "Don't tell them it can't", which isn't the case. |
| 04:21:01 | Llorean | The "Don't tell them it can't" includes many "Tell them something else" cases that could also reduce the 'hundreds'. |
| 04:21:25 | jbwan | Llorean: so .... is there any type of assistance needed with the project besides coding? |
| 04:21:55 | Llorean | jbwan: Submitting patches or suggestions for clarifying and improving the documentation. |
| 04:23:30 | jbwan | how does one go about making suggestions for improving the documentation? There doesn't appear to be a wiki |
| 04:24:51 | Llorean | Well, if the documentation needing improvement is on the wiki, you just edit it. |
| 04:24:56 | jbwan | hey... whatdya know... there is a wiki |
| 04:25:06 | Llorean | If it's in the manual, you post a patch or edited file, to the patch tracker. |
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| 04:31:01 | Galois | sorry to return to this, but ... I don't think the central issue is truth vs. falsity. There are at least three potential responses to the question "where do I put my music": 1) anywhere, 2) anywhere except ipod_control, 3) anywhere except ipod_control and <insert explanation about hidden directories>. 1 & 3 are true statements, 2) is false. Yet response #1 causes many more support requests than response #2, which in turn causes a few more support requests t |
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| 04:33:53 | Llorean | Galois: Your messages got cut off after "few more support requests" |
| 04:34:00 | Galois | than response #3. |
| 04:34:17 | Llorean | The point I was making though is that you didn't just say "anywhere but ipod_control", you said you can't put it there, without explanation at all. |
| 04:37:46 | merwin | is there a way to have rockbox show hidden folders? |
| 04:38:13 | Llorean | merwin: Yes, if you set the File View (which is in the main menu structure somewhere, or the quick menu) to All instead of Supported |
| 04:38:56 | Llorean | merwin: If you're in the filetree, hold down the Menu button to get the quick menu |
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| 04:41:15 | merwin | what is the menu button on the sansa? |
| 04:42:00 | Llorean | merwin: The button at the bottom of the wheel |
| 04:42:13 | merwin | makes sense |
| 04:42:21 | donvito | anyone here familiar with running e200tool with a rhapsody sansa? |
| 04:42:36 | merwin | donvito: Yeah, what part are you looking for? |
| 04:42:57 | donvito | merwin: well as far as ive heard, im going to need to do it under linux |
| 04:43:08 | merwin | most likely |
| 04:43:09 | donvito | merwin: because i guess the win bin is buggy |
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| 04:43:21 | merwin | donvito: well, it'll either work or it wont |
| 04:43:25 | donvito | merwin: ok, do you use a vmware image for that or do you have linux installed? |
| 04:43:34 | corevette | how do you create a database for music on rockbox....a how to somewhere? |
| 04:44:05 | merwin | donvito: I have a vmware image, but doesn't support it out of the box... it would be better for you to start fresh. |
| 04:44:21 | merwin | because i can't send you a 2 gig vmware image :) |
| 04:44:22 | donvito | merwin: k, well maybe ill just install ubuntu |
| 04:44:26 | donvito | merwin: rgr that hah |
| 04:44:56 | merwin | Anyone, any clue why rolo on sansa only works once? the second time locks it up |
| 04:44:56 | donvito | merwin: well i ask because bagder proposed that i switch the default BL with a e200 BL and see if it works |
| 04:45:09 | merwin | donvito: you have an e200r? |
| 04:45:26 | donvito | merwin: yep |
| 04:45:26 | donvito | merwin: e260r |
| 04:45:26 | merwin | donvito: don't bother, i just tried it |
| 04:45:30 | donvito | merwin: damn |
| 04:45:35 | donvito | merwin: im so desperate lol |
| 04:45:42 | donvito | merwin: i want this to go somewhere |
| 04:46:12 | merwin | donvito: I've got e280, e280r ... e280 is perfect, but e280r has protections built in |
| 04:46:18 | merwin | not sure what they are |
| 04:46:33 | merwin | someone earlier successfully turned an e200 into an e200r, but couldn't turn it back :) |
| 04:46:42 | donvito | really?? |
| 04:46:44 | donvito | wow |
| 04:46:49 | donvito | with a BL swap or what? |
| 04:46:52 | donvito | and fw |
| 04:46:55 | merwin | yeah |
| 04:46:57 | Galois | isn't that a :( instead of a :) |
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| 04:47:09 | merwin | Galois: for him, yes... for me, no |
| 04:47:16 | merwin | Galois: Because I was going to try the same thing. |
| 04:47:16 | merwin | heh |
| 04:47:25 | donvito | that is sweet |
| 04:47:46 | donvito | i wish we could do the opposite lol |
| 04:47:54 | merwin | donvito: It'll happen eventually |
| 04:47:59 | donvito | so what did it do when you tried it? |
| 04:48:31 | merwin | donvito: Extracted both of my bootloaders, tried to write damn near everything to my e200r |
| 04:48:40 | donvito | haha |
| 04:48:43 | merwin | it will say it's writing it, but won't take |
| 04:48:47 | donvito | hmm |
| 04:48:55 | donvito | maybe theres a way to combine the two..? |
| 04:48:56 | donvito | idk |
| 04:50:28 | corevette | where do you stick music so it goes in the database? |
| 04:52:12 | Llorean | corevette: You can put music anywhere on the player, database will scan the whole device when you tell it to initialize or update. |
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| 04:54:06 | donvito | merwin: you should post on the forums that it didnt work so bagder will see it |
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| 05:20:56 | cynicalliberal | I'm not sure if this has been covered before, forgive me if it has, but does the e200 charge when its plugged via usb while running rockbox? Or does it only just notice that its plugged in and that's it? |
| 05:23:09 | _Amblin | I was wondering that as well |
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| 05:35:03 | _Amblin | Well Im having a fun time trying to find an application that will agree with Mpegplayer's sound requests |
| 05:36:19 | Llorean | MP3 audio is a strange request? |
| 05:36:48 | Llorean | Have you simply tried VLC as described on the PluginMpegplayer wiki page? |
| 05:37:45 | cynicalliberal | _Amblin: are you speaking of the sync between the audio and the video? |
| 05:39:27 | _Amblin | No, I have 2 differnt apps I usually use for for video editing, unfortuantely they only allow for mpeg with mp2 |
| 05:40:14 | Llorean | mp2 is "mpeg audio", have you tried them? |
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| 05:40:58 | _Amblin | Well the 2 files I tried had video, but unfortunately, I got no sound |
| 05:42:22 | _Amblin | I played around with some of the options in the second app, waiting for it to churn out a file |
| 05:42:39 | Llorean | You might want to ask linuxstb about that. I think mp2 audio should work, though I'm not 100% certain. |
| 05:43:06 | Llorean | But out of curiosity, why didn't you just use a program like VLC or mencoder that supports the exact specifications? |
| 05:43:30 | _Amblin | Because I wanted something that was load and go |
| 05:43:37 | _Amblin | Automatic |
| 05:43:47 | _Amblin | If these apps dont work, I will use the VLC method |
| 05:44:42 | Llorean | The VLC method is pretty automatic... |
| 05:44:53 | Llorean | You create a batch file, and you can just drag and drop any video file onto it, and out pops a converted one. |
| 05:45:09 | _Amblin | Ah, so thats how it works. |
| 05:45:20 | _Amblin | How would I go about editing the settings? |
| 05:45:33 | _Amblin | Sorry, I am completely new to these things. |
| 05:45:37 | Llorean | Have you actually _read_ the PluginMpegplayer page? |
| 05:46:02 | _Amblin | Yes, I have |
| 05:46:30 | Llorean | Curious, it describes the drag and drop bit with a batch file... |
| 05:46:47 | Llorean | Read the section about VLC a little more carefully, it explains how to pick the settings and everything. |
| 05:47:07 | _Amblin | Ok. |
| 05:47:32 | cynicalliberal | It's a pretty nifty little code |
| 05:49:11 | _Amblin | Audio with MP1 |
| 05:49:36 | _Amblin | But its out of sync pretty badly |
| 05:49:41 | _Amblin | hmm |
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| 05:49:55 | Llorean | That's because Mpegplayer doesn't do any syncing yet. |
| 05:50:12 | Llorean | If you turn on frameskipping and framerate limiting in it, they'll stay together somewhat better, though |
| 05:50:22 | cynicalliberal | Yeah, Elephant's dream does the same |
| 05:50:48 | corevette | what advantages do flac files have over mp3's? besides lossless |
| 05:51:00 | Llorean | What do you mean, exactly? |
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| 05:51:37 | corevette | why would someone choose flac over mp3? |
| 05:52:03 | cynicalliberal | I got some pretty fuzzy audio with MP2 |
| 05:52:16 | corevette | first off its mp3 |
| 05:52:20 | Llorean | corevette: That's just a rephrasing of your previous question. What kind of advantages? |
| 05:52:32 | corevette | sound? |
| 05:52:40 | Llorean | Sound is vague too. |
| 05:52:40 | corevette | i don't know |
| 05:52:51 | corevette | what file format do you use? |
| 05:52:52 | cynicalliberal | corevette: I'm referencing a conversation taking place before you came in |
| 05:52:53 | Llorean | Because it's lossless, FLAC is the highest possible audio quality: It's exactly identical to the original source. |
| 05:53:18 | _Amblin | Audio fanatics love it. |
| 05:53:24 | Llorean | It's kinda the definition of lossless. |
| 05:53:49 | Llorean | You can't really compare it to lossy formats on 'audio quality', because by definition, lossy formats cut bits of the audio. The whole thing is never there, the question boils down to whether or not your ears can hear the missing bits. |
| 05:53:58 | cynicalliberal | _Amblin: its somewhat amusing, the audio is fuzzy but almost completely in sync with the video |
| 05:54:01 | Llorean | At 128kbps or higher, statistically speaking, the answer is most likely to be 'no, your ears cannot' |
| 05:54:08 | _Amblin | hm |
| 05:54:13 | Galois | even if your ears can't hear the missing bits, there are valid reasons to archive files in lossless instead of lossy formats |
| 05:54:24 | Galois | for example, you might want to re-encode someday to take advantage of codec improvements |
| 05:54:43 | _Amblin | The file I encoded earlier was in 48000, which I read doesnt play as well in sync as 44100 |
| 05:54:47 | _Amblin | give this a shot |
| 05:54:57 | corevette | so if i go from flac....then back to mp3.....will i lose any sound? |
| 05:55:11 | corevette | quality that is |
| 05:55:29 | Llorean | corevette: Are you talking about going from MP3 to FLAC first, since you said 'back to mp3'? |
| 05:55:39 | corevette | yes |
| 05:56:56 | Llorean | That's pointless. |
| 05:57:04 | Llorean | You can't GAIN quality from converting. |
| 05:57:06 | corevette | yes i know...but what if |
| 05:57:08 | corevette | i know |
| 05:57:15 | corevette | pretend i like my files in flac |
| 05:57:17 | Llorean | So why would you go from MP3 to FLAC? |
| 05:57:22 | Galois | mp3 to flac to mp3 will lose a lot of quality |
| 05:57:46 | corevette | mp3 to flac to mp3 = flac to mp3 ? |
| 05:57:46 | Galois | mp3 to flac will not gain or lose quality, but will make your files a lot bigger for no reason (and you can't make them any smaller again unless you further sacrifice quality) |
| 05:58:02 | Llorean | corevette: MP3->Flac->MP3 = MP3 to worse MP3 |
| 05:58:17 | Llorean | corevette: You CANNOT gain from converting, so you get NOTHING from going MP3->Flac. |
| 05:58:22 | corevette | yeah i know |
| 05:58:35 | corevette | what about mp3 -> ogg ? |
| 05:58:39 | corevette | i know you lose |
| 05:58:41 | corevette | but..... |
| 05:58:44 | Galois | mp3 to ogg is just as terrible as mp3 to mp3 |
| 05:58:44 | corevette | noticibly? |
| 05:59:12 | Llorean | corevette: If your files are already MP3, you shouldn't be converting them. Period. |
| 05:59:15 | Galois | it depends on your settings and the music, but in most cases it's very noticeable whenever you do lossy to lossy |
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| 05:59:22 | Llorean | Unless you NEED to make them smaller, and are willing to accept significantly worse quality. |
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| 06:01:01 | corevette | so why would anyone want flac then? |
| 06:01:17 | cynicalliberal | flac them from the source |
| 06:01:17 | Galois | because some people source their music from high quality sources like cds |
| 06:01:25 | Llorean | corevette: Most people would go from CD->Flac |
| 06:01:37 | corevette | would it create a large file still? |
| 06:01:40 | Llorean | Yes |
| 06:01:50 | Llorean | But it's still about 2/3 to 1/2 the size of a CD. |
| 06:02:05 | Galois | DVD to flac also makes sense, even though most of the time DVD is technically lossy compression (like AC3) |
| 06:02:06 | Llorean | You save space, but don't lose ANY quality from the CD. |
| 06:02:18 | Llorean | Galois: It only makes sense if you can't play AC3. :-P |
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| 06:03:19 | Llorean | I wonder if Rockbox can playback 5.1 AC3 properly, or if it's limited to stereo. |
| 06:03:38 | aliask | I think it downsamples internally |
| 06:04:01 | aliask | Can H100 output 5.1? |
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| 06:04:10 | Llorean | I do not know. |
| 06:04:16 | Llorean | I know it can't accept it as input though. :) |
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| 06:04:32 | Llorean | Or at least, not as we're currently set up. |
| 06:05:15 | cynicalliberal | _Amblin: I got a decent video with mp2 audio going now |
| 06:06:12 | cynicalliberal | sync's pretty good too |
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| 06:06:48 | _Amblin | Im trying the VLC method |
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| 06:07:25 | cynicalliberal | That's what I did, one for mp2 and another for mp3 audio |
| 06:08:14 | Enraged_Noob | Hey guys, Mind if I get a quick question? |
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| 06:08:26 | cynicalliberal | Considering there's no sync between the two... they're pretty well in step |
| 06:08:38 | Llorean | Enraged_Noob: Questions are always welcome, though you may be referenced to documentation if it's in it, rather than being directly answered. |
| 06:09:03 | Llorean | cynicalliberal: If framerate limiting is on, and it doesn't end up needing to skip many frames, the audio can end up very nicely in sync. |
| 06:09:07 | Enraged_Noob | ^_^ I've read the docs. |
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| 06:10:09 | Enraged_Noob | I've installed the rockbox firmware on my ipod, but whenever I try to play music/create playlist/ database it freezes |
| 06:10:25 | Llorean | What bootloader version do you have? |
| 06:10:25 | Enraged_Noob | (4g) |
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| 06:10:50 | Enraged_Noob | The ipod bootloader or the Rockbox? |
| 06:10:58 | Llorean | The rockbox bootloader. |
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| 06:11:04 | Llorean | The thing you installed with ipodpatcher. |
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| 06:11:19 | Llorean | When you first turn on the iPod, does it show any text after the Apple logo, but before you're in Rockbox? |
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| 06:11:22 | jbwan | Enraged_Noob: make sure to initialize the db first |
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| 06:11:44 | Enraged_Noob | No |
| 06:11:48 | Enraged_Noob | no text |
| 06:11:51 | Llorean | Enraged_Noob: Okay |
| 06:12:05 | cynicalliberal | Llorean: Yes, I had forgotten that I enabled that |
| 06:12:07 | Llorean | Enraged_Noob: Next question, do you get any error messages when it freezes, or does it just freeze? |
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| 06:12:14 | Enraged_Noob | Freeze. |
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| 06:12:24 | Llorean | It's possibly the frequency scaling issue. |
| 06:12:33 | Llorean | It's a bug that affects 4G iPods (and a few other specific players.) |
| 06:12:34 | Enraged_Noob | Is there a prerequisite version of the software on my ipod that i need? |
| 06:12:55 | jbwan | Enraged_Noob: is your ipod freezing at the apple logo on boot up? |
| 06:13:03 | Enraged_Noob | Oh... |
| 06:13:06 | Llorean | Enraged_Noob: See http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6357.0 |
| 06:13:11 | Enraged_Noob | sometimes |
| 06:13:33 | Enraged_Noob | But I just reboot a couple more times |
| 06:13:33 | Enraged_Noob | and it works fine |
| 06:13:44 | jbwan | Enraged_Noob: mine did that today. I just unzipped a current of rockbox.zip DIRECTLY to the ipod |
| 06:13:49 | jbwan | don't try and copy |
| 06:13:52 | jbwan | and then reboot |
| 06:13:58 | jbwan | should be fine |
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| 06:14:28 | cynicalliberal | _Amblin: have you tried to limit the frame rate? It is quite a significant difference |
| 06:14:28 | jbwan | now ... I'm using an 5G video iPod |
| 06:14:47 | Llorean | jbwan: 4G iPods, and certain other targets, have a problem that fits the symptoms he's describing. Which is why I mentioned that, and referenced him to a forum thread that should _actually_ solve his problems for the time being. |
| 06:14:55 | Enraged_Noob | Ill go download the daily build and see what happens |
| 06:15:04 | Enraged_Noob | Thank you ^_^.. |
| 06:15:21 | Llorean | Enraged_Noob: The build at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6357.0 is much more likely to solve your problems and provide a more stable experience. |
| 06:15:23 | Enraged_Noob | also.. what is the freq. scaling prob? |
| 06:16:00 | Enraged_Noob | uh huh I meant that one . The one from mikeage.net |
| 06:16:28 | Llorean | It's just a bug that happens when the processor changes speeds on a certain processor a few MP3 players use. |
| 06:16:33 | Llorean | We haven't identified exactly what causes it yet. |
| 06:16:51 | Enraged_Noob | ahh ..just figured it out... The power of google... |
| 06:17:26 | Llorean | The build I referenced you to just leaves the processor at a faster (still safe, just doesn't save as much battery by slowing down) speed so that you don't have to change speeds, and don't trigger the freeze. |
| 06:18:35 | Enraged_Noob | Lol . Ignores the problem for the time being^_^ |
| 06:18:45 | Llorean | Basically, yes. |
| 06:19:28 | Enraged_Noob | So besides the noscaling build, should I download the playlist patch and the COP11 builds? |
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| 06:19:41 | Llorean | Up to you on the playlist patch. |
| 06:19:46 | Llorean | COP11 isn't valid any more. |
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| 06:20:29 | Llorean | I'm not really sure why he has it listed there. |
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| 06:20:41 | Enraged_Noob | >_> |
| 06:20:50 | Llorean | The COP code is now in the official SVN repository, so all of his builds should include it, and any trying to use the COP11 patch should fail. |
| 06:22:02 | Enraged_Noob | Alright. SaNk You ^_^ |
| 06:22:36 | Enraged_Noob | I believe it will work perfectly - 0.o |
| 06:22:40 | Enraged_Noob | For now. |
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| 06:43:29 | _Amblin | Just got back. |
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| 06:44:07 | _Amblin | Shouldnt the video you feed through the vlc .bat be playable by VLC? |
| 06:44:35 | _Amblin | Because when I try to play one of the converted videos, I get no video or sound. |
| 06:44:59 | JdGordon | aliask: nice work on resyncing tat voice patch... i belive nls was about to do it :p |
| 06:45:13 | JdGordon | doing the eq menu shouldnt be too hard\ |
| 06:45:21 | aliask | Yeah, I know, but I was lazy |
| 06:45:25 | aliask | And 24 just finished downloading |
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| 06:46:16 | _Amblin | Sorry, random disconnect. |
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| 07:00:33 | cynicalliberal | _Amblin: they don't play for you? |
| 07:00:54 | _Amblin | Nope |
| 07:01:13 | cynicalliberal | hmm.. the ones I converted did |
| 07:01:31 | _Amblin | I think its the codecs I have installed |
| 07:01:39 | cynicalliberal | maybe |
| 07:01:47 | _Amblin | Pretty much anything DivX has issues being converted |
| 07:02:04 | cynicalliberal | yeah, DivX is sort of picky |
| 07:02:30 | cynicalliberal | VLC actually has a conversion wizard, but yo can't resize the videos through it |
| 07:03:15 | amiconn | mo0ning |
| 07:03:26 | amiconn | JdGordon: What about the recording settings menu? |
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| 07:04:35 | JdGordon | yeah yeah... |
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| 07:07:34 | amiconn | JdGordon: It seems that 'recording settings' (with a small submenu), and 'debug' are the only menus not yet converted in the main menu. |
| 07:08:04 | JdGordon | I think so. are we bothering with the debug menu? |
| 07:08:35 | amiconn | Why not? Of course it doesn't get localised strings |
| 07:09:05 | JdGordon | ok, ill try doing the rec menu tonight |
| 07:09:35 | amiconn | Iiuc using the new system saves space, and if we convert all of them we could drop the wrapper that emulates the old functions |
| 07:09:44 | JdGordon | would it be possible to draw text into a seperate buffer from the rest of the display and then put it in on top of the buffer when a rec needs to be updated? |
| 07:10:07 | JdGordon | it saves heaps for the settings, but the rec menu its not so much |
| 07:12:08 | amiconn | No, there is no off-screen text buffer |
| 07:12:14 | amiconn | Why would you need that? |
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| 07:13:46 | JdGordon | so we can have text on top of pics |
| 07:13:53 | JdGordon | ... on top of a background image |
| 07:14:07 | * | amiconn doesn't understand |
| 07:14:23 | amiconn | The backdrop functionality is already there for months |
| 07:15:08 | JdGordon | atm, you cannot draw text on top of images |
| 07:15:15 | JdGordon | except the background image |
| 07:15:20 | amiconn | YOu can |
| 07:15:37 | amiconn | Just draw the bitmap and then the text, using the proper drawmode |
| 07:15:43 | JdGordon | if the text is drawn 2nd? but you cant scroll that text |
| 07:16:06 | JdGordon | either way... because of the order in the wps, you cannot do this there |
| 07:16:07 | amiconn | That's true |
| 07:16:35 | amiconn | The wps parser needs rework. That doesn't have to do with the lcd driver |
| 07:17:12 | amiconn | Scrolling text on top of a bitmap is not possible. It would require extra buffer memory and rather complex handling |
| 07:17:20 | JdGordon | but, if we had a buffer for the text which got drawn after the rest of the image (for a rect) we could do that, and if the entire string is drawn into the text buffer scrolling would be simple, just grab a rect from the text buffer and paste it into the frame buffer |
| 07:17:40 | amiconn | no |
| 07:17:51 | JdGordon | why no? |
| 07:18:19 | amiconn | Because the first time you copy the text, it would overdraw the bitmap |
| 07:18:32 | amiconn | You can't undo that for the next scroll step |
| 07:19:20 | amiconn | That's why I wonder why you want back buffers for text. There is no visual difference whether you draw the text directly or you first draw it to a back buffer and then copy it |
| 07:20:48 | JdGordon | its hard to explain..... to update a rect first you copy the background for that rect, then youd copy the rect from the image buffer, then lastly you copy the rect for the text you want into the framebuffer |
| 07:20:58 | JdGordon | for each update... |
| 07:21:04 | JdGordon | so you could scroll text over images |
| 07:21:49 | JdGordon | the text buffer would only need to be 1bpp so you draw the whole line and copy the rect you need, even if the line is wider than the screen |
| 07:22:01 | amiconn | For scrolling text over images, you would need a background buffer the size of the scrolling rectangle, in native depth |
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| 07:22:26 | amiconn | An extra 1bpp buffer for the text is superfluous |
| 07:23:05 | webguest47 | hey wen i put videos on my sansa the sound is before the video. |
| 07:23:19 | webguest47 | is that normal? |
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| 07:25:12 | JdGordon | the framebuffer size is length X width X depth / 8 isnt it? |
| 07:25:43 | amiconn | Not exactly |
| 07:26:04 | webguest47 | ? anyone know |
| 07:26:20 | jhMikeS | amiconn: for ticking reduction, what sort of high cpu frequency framerate loss on the remote do you think would be acceptable _without_ adding the remote ticking option? It seems the hot spot is around 75-80 fps down from 93.5. |
| 07:26:24 | jhMikeS | x5 btw |
| 07:26:46 | midgey | webguest47: yes thats normal, there is no audio syncing yet |
| 07:26:52 | amiconn | For depth < 8 it depends on the pixel packing. The respective direction (width or height) has to be padded |
| 07:27:15 | webguest47 | dam thats bad |
| 07:27:29 | Llorean | webguest47: Well, the mpeg player is not finished yet. |
| 07:27:36 | Llorean | And nobody's working on it, this very moment. |
| 07:28:43 | webguest47 | k thanks |
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| 07:30:39 | Osama | Is there a way to set rockbox as your secondary firmware, so when you restart then lock it loads rockbox, and normally loads the original firmware? |
| 07:31:57 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I wouldn't want to sacrifice framerate on the x5 remote without having an option |
| 07:32:35 | amiconn | In order to avoid noticeable sluggishness, it seems we need framerates of 60fps or higher |
| 07:32:58 | amiconn | That's what I settled for on the iriver remotes with ticking reduction enabled |
| 07:33:36 | JdGordon | would adding a 2nd frame buffer kill drawing speed on the large screen targets? |
| 07:33:48 | * | amiconn started a runtime test on M5L. Results tomoorow evening or so.... |
| 07:34:45 | amiconn | JdGordon: Drawing speed on the large colour screen targets is already quite slow |
| 07:35:18 | jhMikeS | 75-80 is completely silent. I don't need any suppression and low cpu |
| 07:35:22 | jhMikeS | at lot cpu |
| 07:35:28 | amiconn | ? |
| 07:35:49 | jhMikeS | At 45Mhz there's no noise at all so I would even touch that |
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| 07:36:10 | jhMikeS | But Around 75-80 fps at 124MHz, the noise is completely gone. |
| 07:36:15 | * | Slasheri wonders why so many remotes are badly designed and shielded |
| 07:37:40 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Completely gone, or just below hearing threshold on your X5? |
| 07:37:50 | amiconn | I think this needs testingon more than one unit |
| 07:37:51 | jhMikeS | I can't pick it out even when paused |
| 07:38:17 | jhMikeS | It's very quiet |
| 07:38:24 | amiconn | O good ticking test is scrolling a list without playing music |
| 07:38:30 | amiconn | s/O/A/ |
| 07:38:50 | jhMikeS | that's what I did. not to mention lower volume levels have it worse, even when paused. |
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| 07:42:33 | amiconn | My remote does tick at 45 and 124MHz |
| 07:42:59 | JdGordon | amiconn: any idea if the slow drawing is copying to the lcd and not copying data around in ram? |
| 07:43:04 | _Amblin | Well when you enable limit FPS and skip frames in mpeg player, the video and sound stay in sync but its choppy, but when you disable those two options the video is smooth. |
| 07:43:12 | jhMikeS | hmmm...obvious some variation there |
| 07:43:16 | _Amblin | Not complaining, just trying to confirm this is normal. |
| 07:43:38 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Yes, that's why I said it needs testing on more than one unit |
| 07:44:00 | amiconn | It's the same with the iriver remotes (where it seems to be bad grounding in the main unit, btw) |
| 07:44:24 | Llorean | _Amblin: Fairly normal yes. |
| 07:44:29 | amiconn | The iriver remotes also had 2 sources of ticking, observed on a number of H300s |
| 07:44:34 | _Amblin | Thank you. |
| 07:44:34 | jhMikeS | Another person I talked to had the same experience as I |
| 07:45:13 | amiconn | One is the data and/or clock line, observed on many irivers and unavoidable, only reducable by slowing down the updates |
| 07:46:03 | jhMikeS | My iRiver doesn't tick one bit |
| 07:46:15 | amiconn | The other was the chip select line, where the effect was only observed on H300. Now the driver silences chip select by delaying deactivation by 100ms |
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| 07:47:22 | jhMikeS | I remember checking out the x5 awhile back when talking about this and CS delay had no effect but in combination, I don't know yet. |
| 07:51:43 | amiconn | I can't even hear a difference in the ticking between 45 and 124MHz |
| 07:51:48 | jhMikeS | wow |
| 07:52:17 | amiconn | At 11MHz it's gone, but the scrolling is incredibly slow with the remote plugged |
| 07:52:39 | amiconn | Maybe it's the cs on my unit |
| 07:53:11 | amiconn | Silencing /cs comes at no speed penalty, so maybe I should try that |
| 07:53:19 | _Amblin | Call me a giant noob, but could I ask what ADC stands for? |
| 07:53:28 | jhMikeS | Guess I can put up a patch. I suppose a setting could be Off,Fast,Slow+Fast or something _if needed_ |
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| 07:53:52 | jhMikeS | If CS kills it at low speed, then all the better |
| 07:54:23 | amiconn | You say your iriver is completely silent... that's why there is a setting for ticking reduction |
| 07:54:38 | amiconn | When it's silent, why waste cpu time? |
| 07:55:12 | amiconn | My H340 is completely silent since CS was silenced, my H180 is not |
| 07:55:16 | jhMikeS | yup...I mean, if I could silence it without losing FPS, then I wouldn't need the option...but doesn't look feasible |
| 07:55:49 | amiconn | I tried a lot of things when experimenting with ticking reduction on iriver. |
| 07:57:22 | jhMikeS | It seems not flipping the lines simultaneously actually worsens it too. |
| 07:57:26 | amiconn | For some reason stretiching all bits was less efficient than only putting a (longer) delay between bytes |
| 07:58:11 | amiconn | I also tried to flip the lines separately when the level change was in the same direction, and at once when they changed in opposite directions |
| 07:58:19 | jhMikeS | If this means anything: putting a delay between RS_LO and CS_LO also helps |
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| 07:58:42 | amiconn | Didn't help.... only the character of the noise changed a bit |
| 07:58:42 | JdGordon | hmm... adding a second buffer halves the framerate... so its not the copying to the lcd that is the slow part (on the h300 anyway) |
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| 07:59:53 | jhMikeS | similarly, one important thing seems to be to keep the clock pulses evenly spaced |
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| 08:01:00 | jhMikeS | guess iRiver's are different beast in this regard |
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| 08:06:43 | jhMikeS | amiconn: did you ever try to find out if the DS2411 driver actually reads anything other than just zeros? if it does it could just have a different sn chip type :\ |
| 08:07:19 | amiconn | Silencing CS doesn't help a bit on my X5 |
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| 08:08:13 | amiconn | My X5 does show a serial number |
| 08:09:20 | jhMikeS | least that works. what about the m5? I'm just saying that if it reads anything other than zeros on the port, maybe there's a chip with a different family code or something. |
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| 08:10:15 | amiconn | Looks like there is no serial number chip in the M5 |
| 08:11:35 | amiconn | Did you start a poll for serial numbers? |
| 08:12:01 | jhMikeS | Was kind of hoping for news on the M5 so I could just include it or not. |
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| 08:14:59 | jhMikeS | ...so it's officially out then? |
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| 08:15:20 | amiconn | I think so |
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| 08:39:22 | mitch04 | hi |
| 08:39:28 | aliask | hey there |
| 08:39:44 | mitch04 | can anyone tell me if everyone is here on porting the creative zen vision m |
| 08:39:45 | mitch04 | ? |
| 08:39:46 | mitch04 | anyone? |
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| 08:40:20 | aliask | mitch04: I don't think anybody has done any real work just yet |
| 08:41:26 | mitch04 | oh k because on the forms on rockbox |
| 08:41:36 | mitch04 | says ppl r working on it now |
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| 08:45:44 | LinusN | Slasheri: your button_boost hack seems to make the h300 bootloader unstable on some devices |
| 08:45:56 | LinusN | don't know why yet |
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| 08:51:50 | jhMikeS | hmmm...the CS delay does get a noticeable amount out _after_ suppressing emi through delaying the clock and data a little |
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| 08:52:14 | Slasheri | LinusN: interesting. Anyway, i am going to remove it soon from other players than ipods |
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| 08:52:29 | Nackon | any development in Sony NW-HD5? |
| 08:52:46 | aliask | Has anybody got one? |
| 08:52:48 | LinusN | Nackon: nope, you can be the first :-) |
| 08:52:54 | Nackon | hehe |
| 08:52:56 | * | pondlife has fat fingers and can't even get the back cover off his H340 :( |
| 08:53:22 | LinusN | pondlife: found a new uda1380 yet? |
| 08:53:31 | Nackon | pondlife: be careful the snap-on thingies on that thing are *VERY* fragile |
| 08:53:36 | * | jhMikeS can barely pick out any tick in a silent room away from all the comp fans |
| 08:53:45 | pondlife | LinusN: Not for certain - back-ordered one from RS components |
| 08:53:46 | Nackon | I broke like 2 or 3 while trying to open it |
| 08:53:54 | LinusN | taking the h300 apart is tricky indeed |
| 08:54:00 | Nackon | now it opens and closes easily though :) |
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| 08:54:15 | pondlife | But I want to get a DAP, so if I break it, more excuse to buy an X5 |
| 08:54:28 | * | LinusN rescued a near-bricked h300 last week - good to have a bdm emulator |
| 08:54:28 | pondlife | Hey, it's not going to heal itself, is it? |
| 08:54:29 | Nackon | I heard the NW-HD5 has a very good sound quality |
| 08:54:52 | spiorf | hi, ipodpatcher tells me "no ipod found" while my nano 1.3 is connected |
| 08:55:09 | spiorf | lsusb shows Bus 001 Device 003: ID 05ac:120a Apple Computer, Inc. |
| 08:56:43 | jhMikeS | I think the remaining barely audible noise is from other stuff...it's no longer related to scrolling :\ |
| 08:56:56 | Nackon | so I was thinking of buying one, but then it's got this SS software on it, "protecting" the mp3s |
| 08:57:13 | * | amiconn found taking apart the H300 pretty straightforward |
| 08:57:25 | amiconn | Certainly easier than the M5/X5 |
| 08:57:40 | Nackon | well, 2nd time around I'm sure it would be much easier for me |
| 08:57:59 | Nackon | but the 1st time I didn't know what to expect so it didn't go as smooth |
| 08:58:02 | pondlife | I need something flat enough to get between the front/back covers... |
| 08:58:02 | amiconn | There's a nice description on misticriver |
| 08:58:10 | Nackon | use a guitar pic |
| 08:58:16 | pondlife | Good idea |
| 08:58:38 | Nackon | it has a perfect shape, as u push it in it opens it even wider |
| 08:58:41 | jhMikeS | or even a guitar pick :P |
| 08:58:56 | LinusN | jhMikeS: :-) |
| 08:59:13 | Nackon | no a jpg file of a guitar will do, just put it next to the player and it'll open itself... |
| 08:59:15 | Nackon | :o) |
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| 08:59:54 | _Amblin | Man you guys are really devoted.. |
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| 09:01:11 | Nackon | has there been a comparison against several mp3 players, comparing their sound quality? (and I mean a good objective one) |
| 09:01:13 | pondlife | Hmm, I'm trying to open it behind the hold switch/mic, right? |
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| 09:01:41 | Nackon | are u trying to open back cover or front? |
| 09:01:54 | pondlife | Back I think. There's no gap at all. |
| 09:02:01 | Nackon | k |
| 09:02:05 | Nackon | for the back cover... |
| 09:02:12 | pondlife | Whichever is best for getting to the UDA1380! |
| 09:02:16 | Nackon | the sides don't hold anything (I found out the hard way) |
| 09:02:17 | pondlife | Probably front |
| 09:02:48 | Nackon | no opening back is best for geting inside to do anything |
| 09:03:05 | Nackon | ..so, either try to open from the top or bottom |
| 09:03:18 | safetydan | Nackon, there was this comparing Rockbox on iPod to Apple OS http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6139.0 |
| 09:03:32 | petur | pondlife: try to find a battery/hdd replacement guide on MR |
| 09:03:57 | Nackon | well iPod's sound sucks even on Rockbox, I know I tried :) |
| 09:03:59 | pondlife | petur: I started with that. - http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=363259&postcount=118 |
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| 09:04:24 | pondlife | Also the video on Google which makes this bit look very easy! |
| 09:04:34 | petur | pondlife: that's the one I used too ;) |
| 09:04:36 | pondlife | (I guess that case has been taken apart before) |
| 09:04:49 | pondlife | But there's no gap to put a fingernail or a thin pick in anywhere |
| 09:05:01 | petur | for the back? |
| 09:05:23 | Nackon | as long as u keep in mind that there's *nothing* holding the back cover to its case from the *sides* u should be alright |
| 09:05:40 | Nackon | I started from the sides and was like c'mon wtf?? hehe |
| 09:06:06 | petur | the back is attached with the top/bottom screws so if those are gone there's not much holding it except friction |
| 09:06:17 | Nackon | no no |
| 09:06:17 | pondlife | I'm starting at the bottom |
| 09:06:21 | Nackon | there *is* |
| 09:06:43 | Nackon | the *top* and *bottom* have these little things that snap on |
| 09:07:02 | pondlife | Explain.. ? |
| 09:07:04 | jhMikeS | petur: It seems the recording bug reports are slowly falling off the recording forum list as they age? :) |
| 09:07:25 | amiconn | pondlife: Looks like it's the same description I used as well. After removing the screws taking away the back cover involved no forcing for me |
| 09:07:54 | petur | jhMikeS: I've done 7 or 8 now and it's rock solid :) |
| 09:07:57 | pondlife | Hmm, mine is stuck. Maybe they started using glue at some point ;) |
| 09:08:11 | Nackon | no glue there |
| 09:08:17 | pondlife | I see 5 screws on the desk in front of me... |
| 09:08:28 | Nackon | lemme find a good pic... |
| 09:08:44 | petur | pondlife: mine was stuck too I thought but it was just a bit of friction |
| 09:09:08 | petur | try to put a knife inbetween, then a fingernail,... |
| 09:09:21 | petur | (gently) |
| 09:09:42 | jhMikeS | petur: be sure to mention that so others can be confident with it now and don't feel they have to use the old version for stability...whenever you feel it is a good thing |
| 09:10:05 | pondlife | OK, I'm in!! |
| 09:10:11 | Nackon | heh |
| 09:10:13 | pondlife | And there is a bit of glue |
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| 09:10:31 | pondlife | Or is that a tamper seal? |
| 09:10:51 | Nackon | I think it's a little piece of tape |
| 09:11:27 | petur | jhMikeS: I've already convinced those at taperssection, they refused new code since august, now they start thinking about upgrading |
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| 09:13:47 | jhMikeS | Well, I don't know if they'll only listen until you have like 100 or 200 glitch-free takes or something :) |
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| 09:14:58 | petur | jhMikeS: worse, they start listening to me :p |
| 09:15:37 | pondlife | Nackon, petur, amiconn: Thanks guys, it just takes a bit of confidence that I'm not breaking it! |
| 09:15:47 | jhMikeS | petur: but before it was pretty much every time iirc |
| 09:16:03 | Nackon | np mate, what're you opening it for btw? |
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| 09:17:54 | pondlife | UDA1380 died |
| 09:18:39 | pondlife | Not sure I'll be able to get a replacement, but also wanted to see how tricky the soldering would be. |
| 09:19:20 | Nackon | u got the H320 model? |
| 09:19:31 | pondlife | H340 |
| 09:20:10 | jhMikeS | Rockbox should have a spare parts department online |
| 09:20:18 | pondlife | On the wiki, yes |
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| 09:20:41 | pondlife | I've ordered one from RS but will pop a request on the wiki/ML if no joy |
| 09:23:03 | Nackon | RS? |
| 09:23:26 | pondlife | A component supplier. Not cheap, but normally reliable. |
| 09:24:53 | amiconn | pondlife: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH3XXHardwareComponents#UDA_1380TT_Stereo_Audio_Decoder Pin spacing is 0.65mm |
| 09:25:26 | Nackon | I'd never mess around with such tiny soldering |
| 09:26:55 | pondlife | amiconn: http://rswww.com/cgi-bin/bv/rswww/searchBrowseAction.do?obs=sObs&name=SiteStandard&No=0&N=0&Ntk=I18NAll&Ntt=uda1380&Nty=1&D=uda1380&Ntx=mode%20matchpartial&Dx=mode%20matchpartial&callingPage=/jsp/homePage/homePage.jsp&BV_SessionID=@@@@1937228191.1173774367@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccccaddkgideelkcefeceeldgondhgi.0&cacheID=ukie&Nr=avl:uk |
| 09:27:14 | pondlife | ? |
| 09:28:29 | pondlife | Woah, that thing is tiny. And very close to other components. I fear kill, not cure, here ;) |
| 09:28:44 | jhMikeS | pondlife: might have missed if you said but how do you know it's the UDA1380 that's at fault? |
| 09:28:55 | petur | I thought you said you knew people with soldering skills? |
| 09:29:05 | pondlife | Symptoms very similar to 3 other reports |
| 09:29:14 | pondlife | And amiconn said so !! |
| 09:30:15 | LinusN | pondlife: it shouldn't be too hard with the right equipment and skill |
| 09:30:27 | pondlife | Symptoms are: (1) No sound on right-channel (phones/line out) (2) Very very low sound level on left channel (phones/line) (3) running slowly |
| 09:31:15 | pondlife | I won't be doing the soldering as I know I have no clue. Or equipment. I just need to find a friend or volunteer who can. |
| 09:31:16 | LinusN | pondlife: can you recally any incident before that? like running hot when charging? |
| 09:31:28 | pondlife | No, but I did get sparks from my USB cable! |
| 09:31:35 | jhMikeS | ?! |
| 09:31:58 | pondlife | Seems that when my AC adapter is connected, the USB "ground" is not at ground |
| 09:32:07 | LinusN | pondlife: it is possible that one of the decoupling capacitors is damaged |
| 09:32:27 | LinusN | how is the battery life? |
| 09:32:30 | pondlife | Good |
| 09:32:34 | pondlife | 16 hours |
| 09:32:38 | LinusN | even after the accident? |
| 09:32:56 | pondlife | No idea, I don't know if there was an accident. |
| 09:33:10 | pondlife | I noticed the USB/AC issue months ago and it never caused a problem then. |
| 09:33:33 | pondlife | But yesterday I left it in the cradle with both connected for some time, which is a first. |
| 09:33:34 | LinusN | well, i guess we might have to check the caps before replacing the uda |
| 09:34:16 | pondlife | This is getting beyond me now. Maybe it's just time to order an Iaudio and sell my Iriver kit on eBay? |
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| 09:35:25 | * | jhMikeS isn't sure where to get joystick switches or batteries for those though, but they do sound nice |
| 09:39:30 | jhMikeS | I do wonder if a couple of booboo incidents that caused the pcf to do a thermal shutdown could have cause the problems with the battery |
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| 09:43:05 | pondlife | Thanks again all, bye |
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| 09:44:23 | LinusN | jhMikeS: do you have any idea what this could be? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6803 |
| 09:44:35 | LinusN | could be a codec_swap() problem |
| 09:46:10 | jhMikeS | when isn't there? but not off the top of my head and I don't have any AAC files or .talk clip lying around so it lools like I'd better dig something up |
| 09:47:51 | jhMikeS | ...and some of my subscriptions are messed up again as I seem to not be getting the FS reports or most of the other stuff |
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| 09:54:45 | LinusN | jhMikeS: you don't even have to use .talk clips - it happens with the regular voice file too |
| 09:56:06 | jhMikeS | so just play anything and follow the recipe? |
| 09:56:35 | LinusN | i think the "Create playlist" option in the main menu is slightly confusing - it isn't obvious that it creates it in the current position in the file browser |
| 09:56:58 | LinusN | jhMikeS: yes, play an aac file and return to the main menu with voice enabled |
| 09:57:20 | LinusN | but it will only happen if you play it manually, not if you resume |
| 09:57:31 | LinusN | for some reason |
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| 09:59:29 | jhMikeS | I don't have any AAC files but just doing an mp3 and listening to how the voice is working all choppy in the main menu seems odd. |
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| 10:00:04 | jhMikeS | leaving the main menu and going to a submenu it behaves ok |
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| 10:01:42 | jhMikeS | Files, Now Playing and Settings just don't voice right at all, just a little drop in volume and then no clip is played |
| 10:03:06 | jhMikeS | If I hover on those items, playback just comes to a halt after a couple seconds until I hover on an item that voices ok |
| 10:04:04 | * | markun is watching quite a nice presentation about how to (and not to) manage open source projects: http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645 |
| 10:04:48 | markun | brings back some memories of Dongs also :) |
| 10:06:42 | LinusN | jhMikeS: possibly a buffering issue as well then...? |
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| 10:07:11 | LinusN | jhMikeS: i can imagine that the voice codec is not swapped in at all |
| 10:08:27 | jhMikeS | might not be...something just sticks the audio from proceeding |
| 10:10:00 | jhMikeS | why it would only be some items is kind of odd...now playing/resume playback is obviously a special item but what's unique if anything about the other two? |
| 10:10:51 | jhMikeS | haha...happens on the system menu too on Running Time |
| 10:11:48 | LinusN | jhMikeS: i think it might be the length of the clip, or perhaps the position in memory |
| 10:12:38 | jhMikeS | got a lock when returning to the WPS though while on one of 'em |
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| 10:14:17 | jhMikeS | got a lock just moving around in the menu too, hrm...from Files to Database... |
| 10:14:27 | jhMikeS | no sound playing either |
| 10:15:35 | jhMikeS | guess I have idea where to start looking |
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| 10:18:37 | * | LinusN goes to fill a cup with black goo |
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| 10:33:45 | linuxstb | Anyone know what the "cutit.c" file (on Bagder's Sansa website) expects as input? |
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| 10:44:42 | * | jhMikeS actually up there meant to say it could be a buffering issue |
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| 10:48:23 | JdGordon | anyone know rouphly how long post should take from europe to australia? |
| 10:48:29 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Maybe swcodec voice doesn't handle empty voice clips properly? |
| 10:48:50 | jhMikeS | are there? |
| 10:50:39 | amiconn | Sure, e.g. if you use an older voice file. Those clips are of length 0 |
| 10:51:24 | jhMikeS | I never observed an issue using an old voice file. Right now I have a quite new one though. |
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| 10:58:45 | JdGordon | LinusN: re http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9298.msg71638#msg71638 it cant save as the same name as what? |
| 10:58:59 | JdGordon | you mean it wont overwrite files? |
| 10:59:59 | jhMikeS | I'm gonna do some making sure anything I changed goofing with the buffer isn't the reason...bugs in my own stuff are easier to find if I know they're there :) |
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| 11:00:45 | LinusN | JdGordon: it can't save the playlist it is currently viewing |
| 11:00:58 | JdGordon | ah |
| 11:01:00 | JdGordon | hmm.. |
| 11:01:27 | LinusN | because saving it means that it must read from it at the same time |
| 11:02:23 | jhMikeS | we'll...a 2007-03-10 build doesn't do it |
| 11:02:35 | * | jhMikeS gets out the pain stick |
| 11:02:39 | JdGordon | it doesnt read the whole playlist into memory first? |
| 11:02:52 | safetydan | JdGordon, depending how it was sent it could take up to three months |
| 11:03:20 | * | JdGordon hopes not :p |
| 11:03:46 | aliask | JdGordon: Waiting for the sansa? |
| 11:03:53 | JdGordon | ye |
| 11:04:41 | jhMikeS | the build for the 11th does...htm |
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| 11:08:50 | LinusN | JdGordon: no, it doesn't have the entire list in memory |
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| 11:09:43 | * | jhMikeS finds out the pain stick will be needed |
| 11:10:27 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Does your button_boost() commit actually do anything at the moment on ipods? I thought the button driver didn't queue scroll events? |
| 11:10:58 | jhMikeS | ...given the utter stupidity of what I did |
| 11:11:34 | jhMikeS | when you see the diff you can just stone me in the public square :< |
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| 11:15:56 | amiconn | Imho the button code shouldn't do the boost.... probably the ui should if it needs to start dropping frames. And it shouldn't unboost too early |
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| 11:19:42 | jhMikeS | ok...try all that voice stuff out now |
| 11:20:30 | linuxstb | amiconn: I agree - it's a UI problem, not a button problem. |
| 11:23:38 | LinusN | amiconn: i agree |
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| 11:30:00 | * | jhMikeS sees he's going to just have to add the backlight_on_filtered function and tempt it's use in the iPod button driver |
| 11:30:58 | jhMikeS | Caption Backlight needs it anyway |
| 11:33:56 | amiconn | ? |
| 11:36:06 | jhMikeS | The iPod button driver seems to call backligh_on without any filtering...before checking the queue status even. Caption Backlight floods the queue with backlight on messages when it's within the on time it's using. |
| 11:36:31 | jhMikeS | I had experienced audio skips in the past with that option enabled. |
| 11:37:50 | amiconn | Strange... I never experienced any problems like this |
| 11:38:54 | jhMikeS | It came up when adding the hold switch options. Filtering the calls stopped the problems. x5 was not exactly the swiftest player at the time since it didn't yet have the optimized i2c driver. |
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| 11:44:27 | amiconn | I think that the backlight driver should track status on any target where backlight isn't plain gpio |
| 11:49:04 | jhMikeS | adding an itty bitty function with a delta in ticks does nicely for it...keeps the queue_posts and such to a reasonable amount |
| 11:49:48 | LinusN | jhMikeS: your fix solves FS #6803 nicely! |
| 11:50:17 | jhMikeS | :) or should you just say my mistake caused it? :P |
| 11:50:41 | LinusN | :-) |
| 11:52:00 | jhMikeS | LinusN: obviously you have a faster task close finger than I :) |
| 11:52:19 | LinusN | trigger happy |
| 11:52:58 | LinusN | i feel sorry for those blind folks nowadays, lots of voice related issues currently :-) |
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| 11:58:00 | jhMikeS | hrm...I apoligized for that one in the forums. Seems the simpler things are to do, the worse the mistakes. :P |
| 11:59:21 | * | safetydan discovers that none of the Speex ARM asm routines are being used... |
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| 12:00:57 | Llorean | So, wait, Speex being relatively decent on iPod is _without_ optimizations? |
| 12:01:16 | safetydan | Llorean, looks that way |
| 12:01:43 | Llorean | Hm, if any of the ARM targets other than Gigabeat had the potential for good battery life right now, that would excite me. |
| 12:01:53 | * | Llorean wonders how the iFP-7xx's battery life is. |
| 12:02:01 | * | Llorean wonders if Speex is one of the codecs on it that work. |
| 12:02:06 | JdGordon | does rb actually run on the ifp yet? |
| 12:02:14 | Llorean | JdGordon: In a very limited manner, if I understand. |
| 12:02:32 | markun | with the WMA bootloader hack, right? |
| 12:02:35 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 12:02:53 | Llorean | The WMA bootloader hack is the main reason I haven't tried it out on mine yet. |
| 12:03:53 | Llorean | I've had an iFP since about forever, since I found a very cheap waterproof case for it, but the WMA bootloader required I used a very specific firmware version with limited Original Firmware functionality. |
| 12:04:12 | Llorean | The UMS firmware for the device is intentionally crippled, it seems. |
| 12:05:29 | safetydan | hrrm... are iPod ARM's closer to ARM4 or ARM5E? |
| 12:05:47 | daurnimator | hi al |
| 12:05:48 | daurnimator | l |
| 12:05:51 | amiconn | arm720tdmi is arm v4 |
| 12:05:52 | amiconn | t |
| 12:06:19 | markun | safetydan: same for the ARM in the Gigabeat (920t) |
| 12:06:25 | safetydan | cool |
| 12:06:51 | safetydan | Speex has ARM4 specific asm routines so now I just need to get them enabled in the build |
| 12:07:08 | markun | safetydan: can you check the difference in boost? |
| 12:07:24 | safetydan | markun, nope, I only have a h120 |
| 12:07:57 | * | markun would like a 'top' like debug screen as the Gigabeat never boosts |
| 12:08:21 | markun | hi daurnimator |
| 12:08:48 | markun | daurnimator: I hope the Creative Vision:M guys will be able to do a port this time |
| 12:08:56 | daurnimator | ha |
| 12:09:02 | daurnimator | you got more people interested/ |
| 12:09:13 | markun | will open the door for a lot more players |
| 12:09:26 | * | daurnimator knocks on JdGordon ;) |
| 12:09:42 | markun | safetydan: those DM320 players are ARM v5 iirc |
| 12:09:44 | daurnimator | i'm nearly onto buying a new player |
| 12:09:54 | markun | which one will it be? |
| 12:09:59 | daurnimator | dunno |
| 12:10:07 | markun | Zune? ;) |
| 12:10:11 | * | JdGordon opens door into daurnimator's face.. :D |
| 12:10:41 | daurnimator | they don't sell zune in australia ;) |
| 12:10:43 | markun | JdGordon: I had a very strange mental image when I read that the first time :) |
| 12:11:01 | safetydan | this arm4 speex stuff doesn't compile :( |
| 12:11:12 | safetydan | well, it compiles but the number of warnings is telling me it's not going to work |
| 12:11:26 | jhMikeS | hrm...still an issue there...but now only after playing an ogg...this is just ridiculous |
| 12:11:31 | daurnimator | i'm thinking something small |
| 12:11:38 | JdGordon | the clix? |
| 12:11:50 | daurnimator | 8gb+ |
| 12:11:56 | JdGordon | thats about as small as they come in a decent storage capacity |
| 12:12:01 | daurnimator | whats the smallest player with a 1.8" hdd? |
| 12:12:09 | JdGordon | ipods i guess?> |
| 12:12:15 | daurnimator | ew :( |
| 12:12:19 | Llorean | Or ZVM |
| 12:12:26 | Llorean | The new slimmer ones they just announced. |
| 12:12:29 | daurnimator | aren't zens massive? |
| 12:12:32 | daurnimator | oh |
| 12:12:32 | JdGordon | you can buy a refurbished ipod mini from apple pretty cheap |
| 12:12:36 | daurnimator | they aren't out yet though ;) |
| 12:12:45 | Llorean | They probably will be in a week or two. |
| 12:13:04 | Llorean | JdGordon: ipod Mini is the 1" microdrive though, not the 1.85", right? |
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| 12:15:08 | JdGordon | ah, yeah |
| 12:15:17 | * | JdGordon just became an uncle! |
| 12:15:29 | Llorean | Anyone know anything about Bass control on the H120? |
| 12:15:46 | LinusN | what do you want to know? |
| 12:15:53 | Llorean | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6810 and http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9287.msg71531#msg71531 seem to coincide, though it looks like they might have identified the problem wrong. |
| 12:16:42 | Llorean | The forum one suggested to me someone just hadn't been paying attention since quite some time ago, but a second person reporting it at the bug tracker adds a little weight to it in my mind. |
| 12:19:16 | LinusN | the source code sure looks like it attempts to avoid distortion |
| 12:19:33 | bluebrother | Llorean: did you notice the sansa installation instructions I added to the manual? I hope I didn't add wrong information |
| 12:19:49 | LinusN | but only with the regular bass/treble controls, not if you use the equalizer |
| 12:19:56 | aliask | I just realised I posted over 5mb to the rockbox-dev mailing list, that's probably not going to be approved is it? |
| 12:20:08 | LinusN | aliask: no |
| 12:20:27 | aliask | Ok, I'll forward it to him privately then. |
| 12:20:33 | preglow | the treble/bass controls will prescale as far as possible to avoid distortion |
| 12:20:43 | preglow | eq has to be manually prescaled |
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| 12:21:27 | Llorean | bluebrother: Give me about 3 minutes and I'll go look at it. |
| 12:23:18 | Llorean | LinusN: Well, maybe if we can drag more information out of either of these reporters. |
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| 12:23:31 | bluebrother | Llorean: np, it's just as you asked for it yesterday ;-) |
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| 12:24:33 | Llorean | bluebrother: It looks good to me. If I followed those instructions, it would get me Rockbox on my Sansa. |
| 12:24:35 | jhMikeS | hmmm...the problem cause by vorbis files seems unrelated |
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| 12:25:07 | preglow | Llorean: are you sure these people aren't talking about the age-old behaviour where volume was actually lowered when using bass/treble controls? |
| 12:25:25 | Llorean | preglow: I actually brought that up in the forum thread. I'm not certain they aren't. |
| 12:25:35 | Llorean | preglow: If they are though, they've updated from truly ancient builds. :) |
| 12:26:36 | LinusN | it sure looks like the prescaling doesn't work |
| 12:26:43 | jhMikeS | preglow: any idea what in vorbis could be causing problems with voice? it's not related to my pointer goof in any way for that. |
| 12:27:30 | preglow | LinusN: i did do some hacking around with that code about a week or so back |
| 12:27:41 | preglow | LinusN: when fixing the lack of prescaler for some wm codecs |
| 12:28:02 | linuxstb | Llorean: Do you have any idea what the "cutit.c" program is expecting as input? It's referred to in the wiki version of the Sansa install instructions as a way to extract the .mi4 of the original firmware from a Sansa. |
| 12:28:18 | jhMikeS | eh...it's probably related somehow to the change...I just know it...i |
| 12:28:30 | preglow | jhMikeS: i have no idea, no |
| 12:28:59 | Llorean | linuxstb: I don't know what it expects as input, but I think it's supposed to do a similar job to iPodPatcher -rf, so I imagine it's some reference to the player's location. |
| 12:29:02 | jhMikeS | I see make zip is now giving us all kinds of fancy info we already know :P |
| 12:29:26 | Llorean | linuxstb: Oh, wait, it expects a file? |
| 12:29:39 | Llorean | linuxstb: Maybe an image of the hidden partition on the player, then. |
| 12:29:46 | Llorean | I've never seen the program before, so I'm kinda guessing. |
| 12:29:47 | preglow | LinusN: at least my current h120 build works fine |
| 12:30:02 | preglow | my rockbox tree got wiped yesterday so can't check it out in a while |
| 12:30:03 | LinusN | maybe i expect too much from the prescaler |
| 12:31:38 | LinusN | wow, it raises the volume as i raise the bass (!) |
| 12:31:43 | jhMikeS | preglow: if I kill emac stalls in the resampler doing channels separately it's maybe perhaps worth .25% boost...cf likes the tiny loops. that's bits hardly worth the size of separate mono/stereo resamplers |
| 12:32:29 | preglow | yeah, agree |
| 12:32:32 | Llorean | LinusN: That's what the bug report describes. |
| 12:33:14 | Llorean | LinusN: I thought the decision a bit over a year ago was that Bass/Treble shouldn't affect volume at all, allowing the user to clip if they wanted, but ensuring they had full control of their player. (Though I assume volume _raising_ with it is a bug) |
| 12:33:27 | * | Llorean foods. |
| 12:34:53 | preglow | HGARHGH |
| 12:34:56 | preglow | installer crashed |
| 12:35:04 | preglow | how i hate computers |
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| 12:39:41 | JdGordon | recoding menu converted... anyone willing to try out a patch before commit? |
| 12:39:54 | linuxstb | Llorean: Any idea how the hidden partition is hidden? Do you need to enter one of the special USB modes? |
| 12:40:21 | linuxstb | (I'm trying to think of ways to streamline the Sansa install process - it seems too complex atm) |
| 12:41:23 | JdGordon | these are fat partitions? |
| 12:41:39 | Llorean | linuxstb: You'd have to ask Bagder. |
| 12:41:52 | linuxstb | Llorean: OK |
| 12:41:57 | Llorean | I don't remember, I think I only ever saw it mentioned once, but can't remember where |
| 12:41:59 | JdGordon | doesnt the parition table have a flag or something to hide partitions? |
| 12:42:23 | Llorean | linuxstb: But I believe you can write our bootloader to that partition just like on iPods. |
| 12:43:36 | * | linuxstb sees a sansapatcher in his future |
| 12:45:12 | Llorean | linuxstb: I mean, the big difficulty right now is getting the original firmware image, and decrypting it to prepare for dual boot. |
| 12:45:36 | Llorean | The worst thing about the Sansas right now is that if you don't do the dual boot preparations, you have absolutely no usable USB mode without first uninstalling Rockbox. |
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| 12:51:10 | daurnimator | does rockbox support matroska? |
| 12:51:17 | markun | no |
| 12:51:58 | Llorean | Rockbox tends toward the 'native' container / file type for any given format. |
| 12:53:12 | JdGordon | whats matroska? |
| 12:53:31 | aliask | Video format |
| 12:53:36 | aliask | *Container format |
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| 12:54:40 | jhMikeS | ooh...spotted more buffer setup stuff...argh |
| 12:55:52 | LinusN | ok, the prescaler bug was introduced in the march 11 daily build |
| 12:56:34 | jhMikeS | the 11th was a bad day |
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| 12:58:26 | jhMikeS | but it's looking like I can put it behind me now :) |
| 12:59:39 | markun | Where's safetydan.. |
| 12:59:58 | markun | I'm fixing speex so it will use the ARM opts, but I hope I'm not duplicating his work |
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| 13:02:24 | daurnimator | anyone an EAC expert? |
| 13:05:22 | JdGordon | holy crap! I wasnt expeting such a big delta with that commit |
| 13:05:37 | JdGordon | the green table is pretty surprising also :p |
| 13:06:04 | markun | ok, I enabled ARM opts for speex, but I get a lot of "ltp_arm4.h:180: warning: matching constraint does not allow a register" |
| 13:06:37 | markun | preglow, jhMikeS: could you take a look at my patch? |
| 13:06:46 | markun | I have no clue how to fix such a warning |
| 13:06:48 | markun | http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/speex_arm.patch |
| 13:07:00 | markun | It's made from inside the libspeex dir |
| 13:08:13 | markun | JdGordon: pretty nice code decrease! |
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| 13:09:23 | * | JdGordon was actually expecting red deltas :p |
| 13:09:32 | jhMikeS | markun: sure, gimma a sec...I'm almost done closing the chapter on the recent voice trouble |
| 13:11:23 | amiconn | markun: These asm constraints are looking unnecessarily complex |
| 13:11:24 | jhMikeS | preglow: is there any chance any wrapping is happening in the codecs themselves? I do get artifacts in mp3 and ogg that sound like it...just a little |
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| 13:12:33 | amiconn | In & out being the same C variable can be specified by just the output block (using + instead of = iirc) |
| 13:13:02 | preglow | jhMikeS: i guess there's always a chance, but if so, it should be fixed |
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| 13:13:11 | preglow | would also mean somehow messed up badly |
| 13:15:03 | jhMikeS | not sure...but ya know...vorbis always sounded a bit strange to me anyway and mostly it comes from there |
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| 13:16:48 | jhMikeS | ok, checking the patch now |
| 13:22:58 | * | preglow out |
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| 13:25:22 | jhMikeS | getting no rule to make target on config_speex.h |
| 13:30:34 | jhMikeS | I don't even see a config-speex.h in the tree |
| 13:30:47 | jhMikeS | Nor in the patch |
| 13:33:23 | amiconn | There is a config.h in libspeex |
| 13:33:50 | amiconn | Looks like the importer didn't pay attention; this needs to be renamed as it collides with main config.h |
| 13:36:30 | jhMikeS | much better |
| 13:36:59 | jhMikeS | to a point...now it wants config.h else where |
| 13:37:29 | jhMikeS | I think that's just a make clean thing though |
| 13:37:49 | jhMikeS | since it was in a .o file |
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| 13:38:45 | linuxstb | Couldn't that also be solved with ensuring the libspeex directory is first in the include path? The public includes don't seem to need config.h |
| 13:38:56 | linuxstb | i.e. keeping the changes to libspeex as minimal as possible. |
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| 13:52:53 | yanfeng | markun: here? |
| 13:54:26 | yanfeng | markun: anyway: could you reproduce the error from http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6799? There is a clarification there as to how to get it. |
| 13:54:29 | LinusN | jhMikeS: there? |
| 13:54:35 | jhMikeS | LinusN: yes |
| 13:54:49 | LinusN | it looks like you are to blame for the prescaler bug too :-/ |
| 13:55:18 | LinusN | revision 12714 |
| 13:55:27 | LinusN | "Reenable aynchronous audio init stage." |
| 13:55:35 | jhMikeS | :( what happened to that? I'm having all the luck. |
| 13:55:37 | LinusN | that's where the prescaler starts acting out |
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| 13:59:56 | jhMikeS | probably some dependency on having audio initialized by the time dsp_callback is called |
| 14:00 |
| 14:00:05 | LinusN | probably |
| 14:00:39 | jhMikeS | but it only showed up on reeabling the aync part? |
| 14:01:28 | jhMikeS | reenabling the async part even |
| 14:01:50 | LinusN | yes, i compiled 12713 and it was ok |
| 14:02:52 | jhMikeS | and when did I change the audio init to single stage? It already had late init by then. |
| 14:03:16 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html |
| 14:03:32 | LinusN | 11 Mar 05:04 |
| 14:03:37 | jhMikeS | was just going there |
| 14:04:50 | amiconn | Iriver prescales in hardware |
| 14:05:01 | amiconn | (for the tone controls) |
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| 14:05:09 | Nuru666 | Hi 2 all |
| 14:05:28 | Nuru666 | hey, help me please |
| 14:05:46 | LinusN | Nuru666: we will help you when you ask your question |
| 14:05:49 | Nuru666 | i have ipod nano an'd i downloaded today's daily build |
| 14:06:13 | * | LinusN prepares to write "have you installed the latest bootloader?" |
| 14:06:16 | Nuru666 | now, when i'l trying to play a song i got a message something like: Data abort |
| 14:06:26 | LinusN | have you installed the latest bootloader? |
| 14:06:32 | Nuru666 | no |
| 14:06:40 | LinusN | then do so, it must be updated |
| 14:06:51 | Nuru666 | ) how can i do it? |
| 14:07:16 | Nuru666 | upload rockbox.ipod to ipod root? |
| 14:07:19 | jhMikeS | revision 12692, Fri Mar 9 09:27:13 2007 UTC was when the audio_init was made late though |
| 14:07:29 | LinusN | Nuru666: it's in the manual |
| 14:07:34 | Nuru666 | ok |
| 14:07:40 | bluebrother | it's the ipodpatcher step |
| 14:09:17 | Llorean | Nuru666: Just do the section 2.2.2 in the manual |
| 14:11:13 | Nuru666 | deam it, i can't do it at work ( |
| 14:11:16 | jhMikeS | hmmm...easy checker on that anyway |
| 14:11:26 | Nuru666 | i don't have administrator rights |
| 14:11:40 | Nuru666 | ok, thanks ) |
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| 14:13:01 | Nuru666 | And what i will do if this solution will not work? |
| 14:13:11 | bluebrother | it will work |
| 14:13:37 | Nuru666 | i just instaled oldiest version and got the same error ( |
| 14:13:55 | bluebrother | you need an old version that is old enough |
| 14:14:28 | JdGordon | anyone know what the name for those integrated computers in a box are called? (smaller than shuttle pcs.. everything is on one board) ? |
| 14:14:41 | bluebrother | which is more than 1 month iirc. |
| 14:14:57 | bluebrother | JdGordon: MiniITX? |
| 14:15:04 | Llorean | JdGordon: You referring to the gumstix? |
| 14:16:02 | JdGordon | umm... something between the 2 |
| 14:16:12 | LinusN | jhMikeS: any clue? it is definitely the 12714 commit that does it |
| 14:17:23 | markun | yanfeng: I'm here now |
| 14:17:25 | bluebrother | Nuru666: I was wrong, dual core support got committed on 4th march. Try a build that is older |
| 14:17:37 | petur | JdGordon: umpc? |
| 14:18:04 | bluebrother | Mac Mini? ;-) |
| 14:18:06 | jhMikeS | well, I just threw the init back to what it was before that from a playback.c pov and no change |
| 14:18:16 | JdGordon | mac mini owuldnt last very long in a rally car :p |
| 14:18:35 | JdGordon | although.. thats not really such a bad idea |
| 14:18:43 | bluebrother | ah, so you're looking for some IPC? |
| 14:20:54 | bluebrother | JdGordon: something like this? http://emea.kontron.com/index.php?id=226&cat=31&productid=1748&source=campaign |
| 14:21:20 | JdGordon | bingo! |
| 14:21:44 | bluebrother | :) |
| 14:21:45 | JdGordon | except the mac mini idea might just work and be cheaper |
| 14:22:05 | Nuru666 | bluebrother ))) And i tried 5th march version ) |
| 14:22:06 | markun | jhMikeS: you are right, I forgot to include config-speex.h in the patch.. |
| 14:22:32 | LinusN | jhMikeS: moving audiohw_init() back to after spdif_init() in pcm-coldfire.c cures it |
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| 14:22:57 | markun | linuxstb: so you don't like renaming config.h to config-speex.h? (like it's done in Tremor for example) |
| 14:23:38 | Nuru666 | bluebrother and if i'l update bootloader wil rockbox work on my ipod correctly? |
| 14:23:38 | jhMikeS | hmmmm |
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| 14:23:55 | LinusN | jhMikeS: looks awfully wrong though... |
| 14:24:06 | jhMikeS | what's that? |
| 14:24:35 | linuxstb | markun: I just like not changing imported libraries if it can be avoided. But thinking about it, maybe it can't be avoided - we need to #include the Rockbox config.h to determine the CPU type... |
| 14:25:10 | jhMikeS | hmmm.... |
| 14:25:35 | LinusN | i mean, it resets the uda1380 registers after calling audio_set_source() |
| 14:26:09 | jhMikeS | yeah, that's why I moved it u |
| 14:26:11 | jhMikeS | up |
| 14:26:14 | bluebrother | Nuru666: with support for dual core you need an updated bootloader. Don't know if the new bootloader will work with an old build, but it might. |
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| 14:26:28 | bluebrother | oh, he left. Oh my. |
| 14:26:56 | linuxstb | markun: It's been suggested that the bootsplash functionality in the Gigabeat bootloader is removed and replaced by "silent booting" (i.e. the bootloader doesn't touch the LCD unless it needs to display an error message, or the user has pressed a magic button). This has been implemented on the ipod, sansa and H10 bootloaders so far... |
| 14:26:58 | LinusN | jhMikeS: something is rotten in the state of denmark... |
| 14:27:33 | jhMikeS | just pop spdif_init above it instead? :\ |
| 14:27:35 | Llorean | bluebrother: The new bootloader should work fine with an older build, many people were using Dual Core capable bootloaders for quite some time before the dual core code went into SVN. |
| 14:27:38 | jhMikeS | as a test |
| 14:27:48 | Llorean | bluebrother: Basically, any of the ones with a black background on the bootloader were dual core safe. |
| 14:29:50 | jhMikeS | well, that doesn't do squate and neither should it |
| 14:30:39 | * | LinusN thinks he has a clue |
| 14:31:13 | jhMikeS | yes? I've got my eye on a the following functions |
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| 14:32:25 | Llorean | B4gder: I'm sure we have enough manpower around to crack 160 bit DSA if we just scrounge enough. :-P |
| 14:32:34 | LinusN | jh i think the mix mode is wrong |
| 14:32:37 | linuxstb | B4gder: Can you explain how the cutit.c tool is used? What input is it expecting? |
| 14:33:00 | B4gder | uhm, I need to check... |
| 14:33:34 | B4gder | linuxstb: it takes a dump of the "hidden" partition |
| 14:33:38 | B4gder | and extracts the mi4 file from it |
| 14:33:44 | linuxstb | How is it hidden? |
| 14:33:49 | LinusN | jhMikeS: i think the mix mode is wrong |
| 14:34:00 | linuxstb | I mean can it be accessed via raw disk i/o in normal USB mode? |
| 14:34:04 | B4gder | linuxstb: it simply has id 84 in the partition id |
| 14:34:05 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 14:34:17 | B4gder | linuxstb: just normal disk i/o |
| 14:34:31 | B4gder | like /dev/sda2 |
| 14:34:32 | linuxstb | B4gder: Ah, OK. So a combination of cutit.c, ipodpatcher and mi4code could create an of.bin ? |
| 14:34:37 | LinusN | jhMikeS: it is set to 11 by the init() |
| 14:34:47 | B4gder | linuxstb: yeps |
| 14:35:05 | B4gder | linuxstb: but not on the R models I believe, since they don't seem to have that second partition |
| 14:35:31 | linuxstb | So when you put a .mi4 file in the /system/ folder, the Sansa moves it into the hidden partition? |
| 14:35:35 | B4gder | yes |
| 14:35:40 | B4gder | and deletes it |
| 14:35:40 | LinusN | jhMikeS: no, it is 01 |
| 14:35:55 | linuxstb | So a "sansapatcher" utility could just write the bootloader directly there? |
| 14:35:59 | B4gder | linuxstb: although on sansa you put the mi4 in the root when you upgrade |
| 14:36:19 | B4gder | linuxstb: possibly, but we have not yet attempted that way |
| 14:36:40 | linuxstb | I'm just trying to think of ways to make the Sansa installation user-proof... |
| 14:37:06 | B4gder | yeah, we need to make something |
| 14:37:54 | linuxstb | What's the legal status of mi4code - could we incorporate decryption into a GPL'd tool? |
| 14:38:50 | yanfeng | markun: anyway: could you reproduce the error from http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6799? There is a clarification there as to how to get it. |
| 14:38:58 | jhMikeS | actually, a call through to audiohw_disable_recording shouldn't even reach during init since source == last_source already |
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| 14:39:39 | B4gder | I guess we can write our own decrypt tool by just reading and understanding the mi4code ways of doing it |
| 14:39:53 | B4gder | TEA is not very complicated after all |
| 14:40:10 | B4gder | T is for Tiny iirc |
| 14:41:22 | linuxstb | Is the mi4 image in the hidden partition identical to the .mi4 file? |
| 14:41:29 | B4gder | yes |
| 14:42:44 | jhMikeS | I'll just slide audiohw_init down one call at a time |
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| 14:44:16 | linuxstb | OK, so my first idea is that a tool could be written to decrypt the .mi4 file in the hidden partition, write the RB bootloader back in its place, and then write the unencrypted version of the OF to an unused (but in a fixed location) part of the hidden partition. This just requires raw disk access to the device, which is already in ipodpatcher. This means no OF.bin on the FAT32 partition for the user to break. |
| 14:45:33 | B4gder | assuming we know and can be sure of an unused location |
| 14:45:51 | Llorean | How big is the hidden partition? |
| 14:45:58 | linuxstb | Of course. I was thinking of something like 100KB into the partition - to give room for the RB bootloader. |
| 14:46:23 | B4gder | see fdisk output at http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200.html |
| 14:46:34 | webguest13 | Hello, I have 2 Sansa questions... |
| 14:47:12 | linuxstb | B4gder: So 20MB? |
| 14:47:14 | B4gder | it is pretty big |
| 14:47:30 | B4gder | yeps |
| 14:47:37 | B4gder | webguest13: so ask |
| 14:47:56 | * | linuxstb downloads the dumps |
| 14:48:11 | B4gder | linuxstb: and the mi4 starts at 0x80200 into the partition |
| 14:48:15 | webguest13 | 1. The volume seems to be not as loud as with OF (when choosing 0 or +1db), is this on purpose? And 2. the MUSIC folder is not display, though I made it visible... what did I do wrong? |
| 14:48:36 | B4gder | 1) no, 2) how do you mean not displaying? |
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| 14:48:49 | Llorean | webguest13: For 1, sound support is in the early stages, so volume isn't working quite how it should yet. |
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| 14:49:11 | Llorean | I wouldn't be surprised if the OF re-hides the Music folder. |
| 14:49:29 | webguest13 | I can't see it when browsing files, just the other folders like SYSTEM, tmp, RECORD, PLAYLISTS etc. |
| 14:49:58 | jhMikeS | placing it after _pcm_apply_settings, of course |
| 14:50:26 | webguest13 | @Llorean: that's what I am thinking too, I have to recheck this in some hours... |
| 14:51:02 | bluebrother | webguest13: have you tried setting the file browser view mode to "all"? |
| 14:51:26 | linuxstb | B4gder: And is it safe to corrupt the contents of that hidden partition? i.e. one of the various other usb modes can be used to recover? |
| 14:51:52 | markun | linuxstb: I'm all for making the bootloader silent |
| 14:51:56 | webguest13 | @bluebrother: no, not yet. is this not the default? |
| 14:52:24 | Llorean | webguest13: The default is 'supported', which does not display hidden folders. |
| 14:52:25 | bluebrother | no. |
| 14:53:04 | yanfeng | markun: you mentioned that you're woking on nimbus-19. What exactly do you want to do with it? Are far eastern symbols on your list? |
| 14:53:10 | B4gder | linuxstb: I think so yes, but I'm not 100% sure since I don't think anyone tried it yet |
| 14:53:18 | markun | yanfeng: arabic? |
| 14:53:51 | markun | I've added arabic to nimbus-14 I think, but didn't commit it because the font became very very big |
| 14:53:54 | B4gder | linuxstb: but I guess that's basically what happens if you install a buggy mi4 file... |
| 14:54:04 | webguest13 | @all: ok, I will check all theses settings and report (in some hours)... bye |
| 14:54:14 | * | linuxstb looks for a volunteer to do dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda2 on their Sansa |
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| 14:54:28 | markun | I hope I didn't delete it by accident when we moved to svn |
| 14:54:34 | Llorean | B4gder: What was the 'slightly different' when you updated the BL.rom? |
| 14:54:35 | yanfeng | markun: no, I mean hirgana etc. But it would make the font even bigger# |
| 14:55:08 | markun | yanfeng: I would prefer someone who knows the language to do it |
| 14:55:28 | webguest13 | #quit |
| 14:55:39 | B4gder | Llorean: uhm, what context is that referring to? (too many things in my brain at the same time) |
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| 14:55:40 | markun | I'm adding greek and some eastern european glyphs right now, the first one is already a big challenge |
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| 14:56:09 | markun | yanfeng: I wasn't able to reproduce fs#6799 btw.. |
| 14:56:14 | linuxstb | B4gder: Is there an unencrypted copy of the bootloader at the start of that partition? |
| 14:56:29 | markun | yanfeng: wait, let me try it again |
| 14:56:30 | Llorean | B4gder: On your page, you mention that the hidden partition was slightly different after updating the BL without a new MI4, I was curious if you remembered about that difference before I went and investigated the dumps or something |
| 14:56:56 | B4gder | linuxstb: hm, I don't know I haven't really checked that afair |
| 14:57:01 | yanfeng | markun: ok. What about the title in the system menu problem? I also could reproduce it but it seem that me and the reporter are the only persons that managed it. This is the first time I confirm the bug, that's why I ask |
| 14:57:21 | amiconn | markun: Speaking about far eastern symbols, I have a question regarding katakana |
| 14:57:21 | Llorean | I bet writing randomness to the /sda2 is pretty similar to dumping a bunch of files in the 16mb recovery mode. |
| 14:57:22 | yanfeng | markun: you type faster than I think :-) |
| 14:57:30 | B4gder | Llorean: ah no, I don't remember that off the top of my head |
| 14:57:47 | markun | yanfeng: tried it again, still can reproduce it :( |
| 14:58:08 | Llorean | B4gder: Okay, I was just wondering if the /sda2 is likely to require recovery mode to fix, or manufacturing mode. Heh. |
| 14:58:09 | markun | amiconn: I know very very little about it, but you can always ask |
| 14:58:32 | B4gder | Llorean: whipe it and tell us what you learned! ;-O |
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| 14:59:11 | Llorean | B4gder: I'm rather worried I'll learn how to use the mi4code tool finally |
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| 15:00:01 | B4gder | e200tool rather, I guess |
| 15:00:09 | amiconn | markun: I had a look at the various unicode tables, and it seems that the newplayer lcd chars are "half width" katakana? Do you think this is correct? |
| 15:00:23 | Llorean | Yeah, e200tool |
| 15:00:26 | Llorean | Sorry, got the naming wrong. |
| 15:00:39 | Llorean | My understanding is it's fairly unreliable on windows, right? |
| 15:00:54 | B4gder | yes, it seems to be tricky to get it to act properly on windows |
| 15:01:45 | yanfeng | markun: can? Or can't? Even with the clarification? |
| 15:01:50 | markun | amiconn: I didn't even know there were separate half and full-width glyphs in the unicode table.. |
| 15:02:14 | markun | but we can map both to the newplayer glyphs |
| 15:02:18 | Llorean | B4gder: If I were confident I could use e200tool, I'd probably be a lot more comfortable with the idea if intentionally screwing up /sda2. |
| 15:02:35 | markun | yanfeng: even with pressing left during the logo I still keep the user font |
| 15:02:37 | linuxstb | Could you test it before screwing up sda2? |
| 15:02:40 | amiconn | Also I can't make sense from the asian-looking chars in the last line |
| 15:02:42 | amiconn | hrrm |
| 15:02:47 | B4gder | Llorean: getting a live-CD linux to use e200tool with is probably good enough, or possible even using vmware |
| 15:02:52 | markun | yanfeng: but I'm using a Gigabeat |
| 15:02:54 | Llorean | linuxstb: I could, I'm just apparently too stupid to think of that idea. Oops. |
| 15:03:07 | B4gder | haha |
| 15:03:16 | amiconn | B4gder: There's a dead link to rocklatin on the DocsIndex, and it seems this page wasn't wikified |
| 15:03:28 | * | Llorean goes to do some research |
| 15:05:47 | Llorean | B4gder: Okay, how do I boot the player into one of the modes e200tool expects? |
| 15:06:22 | yanfeng | markun: he! I just looked into the bug report: there's already a patch for it! That went quickly! |
| 15:06:47 | yanfeng | markun: see "related tasks" |
| 15:06:54 | amiconn | markun: http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/UFF00.pdf The newplayer LCD has glyphs for 0xff61 to 0xff9f |
| 15:07:58 | B4gder | Llorean: check a bit down on http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200.html |
| 15:08:08 | B4gder | manufacturing mode is your game |
| 15:08:14 | Llorean | B4gder: I had _just_ found it there and was in the middle of typing 'never mind, I found manufacturing mode' |
| 15:08:16 | Llorean | :) |
| 15:08:22 | B4gder | hehe |
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| 15:10:23 | B4gder | amiconn: did my fixes remove the bad make zip outputs? |
| 15:11:34 | linuxstb | B4gder: Yes, your dump of sda2 seems to contain: A 512 byte header, the bootloader, some blank space (zeros) until 0x80000, another 512-byte header, then the mi4 file, then zeros to the end of the partition. |
| 15:12:19 | B4gder | aha |
| 15:12:22 | B4gder | nice |
| 15:12:29 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 15:12:44 | linuxstb | So does it seem that the BL isn't flashed? |
| 15:13:00 | B4gder | well, that is nand flash... |
| 15:13:08 | B4gder | but that also explains the existance of pre-bl |
| 15:13:11 | amiconn | B4gder: Yes it did, and I told so y'day... |
| 15:13:20 | B4gder | amiconn: ah, I missed that |
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| 15:14:34 | markun | Can I commit the ARM optimizations for speex even if it has some warnings? (as I can't fix them myself) |
| 15:15:11 | markun | I tried the result on my Gigabeat, it sounded fine, but I can't see if it makes decoding any faster (of course) |
| 15:15:21 | Llorean | B4gder: Whelp, I can't get e200tool to recognize my Sansa in windows. Even tried installing libusb as suggested elsewhere. Gonna try re-enabling USB support on my VMWare image. |
| 15:16:59 | linuxstb | Llorean: If you can get e200tool working, an interesting first test would be to do "dd if=rockboxbootloader.mi4 of=/dev/sda2 seek=1025" to write the bootloader directly to the firmware partition. (I think you'll need Linux for that as well). You could then test putting back the OF's mi4 file. |
| 15:17:23 | Llorean | linuxstb: Alright, if I get e200tool working I'll try that. |
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| 15:20:37 | Kosta | Hi all! |
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| 15:21:00 | bluebrother | Llorean: maybe using knoppix is an option? |
| 15:21:12 | Llorean | bluebrother: I was gonna try the VMWare image. |
| 15:21:16 | Llorean | Though, apparently USB.h is missing. |
| 15:21:28 | linuxstb | "apt-get install libusb-dev" |
| 15:21:45 | Llorean | linuxstb: Thanks |
| 15:21:51 | Llorean | I'll get this working yet. ;) |
| 15:22:15 | bluebrother | just was thinking it might be easier as it doesn't need to do some usb-transfer-magic |
| 15:22:54 | Llorean | Knoppix may be the best solution. I'm getting 404s on the attempt to install. |
| 15:23:02 | linuxstb | Try "apt-get update" |
| 15:23:12 | linuxstb | Then try the install again. |
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| 15:24:41 | Llorean | linuxstb: It had suggested that, and one other option. I tried the other option first, but the update is running now. |
| 15:25:59 | Llorean | One way or another I'll get this working. Seems an awful lot of hoops I need to jump to just to safely completely disable my MP3 player. :) |
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| 15:27:46 | linuxstb | Llorean: Hopefully you won't need to use e200tool anyway. |
| 15:27:47 | B4gder | I also have a linux binary of e200tool |
| 15:28:02 | Llorean | B4gder: An e200tool init resulting in Found should mean things are good? |
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| 15:28:09 | B4gder | yes |
| 15:28:16 | Llorean | It find 0781:0720, but not the second one. |
| 15:28:18 | Llorean | finds |
| 15:28:35 | B4gder | no, the second one is only if thinks go REALLY wrong |
| 15:28:37 | Llorean | Ah |
| 15:28:41 | B4gder | as that is the portalplayer mode |
| 15:28:56 | B4gder | which we call pre-boot |
| 15:28:59 | linuxstb | Llorean: I assume you currently have the RB bootloader on your Sansa? |
| 15:29:22 | Llorean | linuxstb: For the moment |
| 15:29:49 | linuxstb | So maybe try writing the original mi4 file to the partition as the first test, and if that works, write the bootloader over the top. |
| 15:31:13 | Llorean | linuxstb: dd if=PP5024.mi4 of=/dev/sda2 seek=1025 where PP5024 is the OF, still encrypted? |
| 15:31:49 | linuxstb | I think so... |
| 15:32:01 | linuxstb | Assuming /dev/sda is your Sansa... |
| 15:32:25 | linuxstb | Try "fdisk -l" to list the disks visible to vmware |
| 15:33:08 | markun | ok, ARM optimizations for speex are committed. Sorry for the warnings. |
| 15:33:11 | Llorean | linuxstb: I don't get _any_ results from that |
| 15:33:33 | linuxstb | Hmm... |
| 15:34:06 | markun | hi Kosta |
| 15:34:10 | bluebrother | fdisk -l wants a device as argument ... |
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| 15:34:19 | bluebrother | try fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 15:34:39 | markun | someone with an ipod here who can check if speex decoding is faster now? |
| 15:34:42 | linuxstb | At least with my version of fdisk, it will scan all disks if you don't specify a device. |
| 15:34:51 | Llorean | bluebrother: That worked |
| 15:35:10 | linuxstb | OK, good to know. |
| 15:35:18 | linuxstb | And that looks like your Sansa? |
| 15:35:20 | Llorean | Yes |
| 15:35:26 | Llorean | sda2 is 20mb |
| 15:35:33 | B4gder | that's a good start ;-) |
| 15:35:35 | Llorean | Type 84 |
| 15:35:48 | bluebrother | linuxstb: indeed. Just tried it myself. Never was aware of that |
| 15:36:00 | * | bluebrother should try that with more than one disk connected |
| 15:36:50 | Llorean | linuxstb: And the seek=1025 should be the right amount independent of what previous version of the OF I had? |
| 15:37:38 | linuxstb | You could try something else first... |
| 15:38:27 | linuxstb | "dd if=sansa-sda2 skip=1024 count=1 | xxd" (assuming you have the xxd tool installed) |
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| 15:38:55 | linuxstb | The first line of the output should be something like "0000000: 5050 4d49 00b4 5200 0000 0200 0000 0000 PPMI..R........." followed by lots of zeros |
| 15:39:01 | Llorean | What is "count" measured in? |
| 15:39:32 | linuxstb | dd uses 512 bytes as the default buffer size - which is what count uses. |
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| 15:39:48 | linuxstb | So count=1 is 512 bytes. |
| 15:39:53 | Llorean | Okay |
| 15:40:55 | Llorean | Okay, I'm not using dd right. |
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| 15:41:24 | Llorean | dd if=/dev/sda2 of=test.bin seek=1024 count=100 should, in theory, get me 51200 bytes of the current MI4 there, right? |
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| 15:41:57 | linuxstb | That should be skip=1024 when reading. |
| 15:42:03 | Llorean | Ah |
| 15:42:12 | linuxstb | Or 1025 - you want to skip the extra 512-byte header |
| 15:42:24 | Llorean | I do? |
| 15:42:40 | linuxstb | "sector" 1024 contains an extra 512-byte header, and the real mi4 header is at sector 1025. |
| 15:43:32 | linuxstb | Yes, the .mi4 file starts with the "PPOS" string - which you should find at sector 1025. |
| 15:44:14 | Llorean | I did. |
| 15:44:29 | Llorean | But oddly enough the 51200 bytes after that don't match the 51200 bytes of the bootloader I thought I had installed. |
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| 15:44:52 | linuxstb | OK, that is unexpected... |
| 15:45:01 | Llorean | Let me double check |
| 15:45:14 | Llorean | I'll install a bootloader properly, extract it, and see what happens |
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| 15:46:03 | Llorean | It's possible that for some strange reason the bootloader in my /sansa/ folder was not the version I installed |
| 15:46:06 | Llorean | Seems strange if it's the case though |
| 15:46:42 | linuxstb | Could be worth installing the bootloader again, to double-check what's going on. |
| 15:48:25 | Llorean | Augh |
| 15:48:38 | Llorean | It's gonna be about 20 minutes before I can do anything with the player |
| 15:49:03 | Llorean | I forgot to wipe my music from it, and it's "Refreshing Database". Which I don't believe is abortable, and it won't let me access the main firmware (and thus USB) while it's doing it. |
| 15:52:12 | linuxstb | Sounds like fun... So USB mode means loading the full original firmware? |
| 15:52:26 | Llorean | Yes |
| 15:52:54 | Llorean | And since you're usually using UMS and not MTP, it you've done certain things it'll decide to refresh the database. |
| 15:54:24 | linuxstb | So the Sansa's OF would be usable from Linux for example - you drag and drop your music, and it then (slowly) builds the database? |
| 15:54:30 | Llorean | Yes |
| 15:54:49 | B4gder | I've only used it with Linux |
| 15:54:57 | Llorean | Slowly isn't the word I'd use though. I'd called Rockbox's database building 'slowly' |
| 15:55:16 | B4gder | but recently SanDisk came up with the brilliant idea of using a dedicated windows tool for firmware upgrades |
| 15:55:19 | Llorean | I mean, comparatively it's fast, but it's still longer than I want to wait after adding files to a device, if it's a mandatory wait. |
| 15:56:21 | Llorean | Alright, rockbox bootloader is updated. |
| 15:56:44 | Llorean | After I delete the music folder, I'll go extract it |
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| 16:00:02 | * | Llorean notes that the Rockbox delete is very, very slow on the Sansa. |
| 16:03:33 | Llorean | linuxstb: Okay, this time, after properly updating to a rockbox bootloader, then extracint dd if=/dev/sda2 of=test.mi4 skip=1025 count=102, the files are identical |
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| 16:04:19 | Stalwart^ | Llorean: how much DAPs do you have? |
| 16:04:41 | Llorean | Stalwart^: Six, I think |
| 16:04:43 | linuxstb | Llorean: OK, then it would seem OK to write other mi4s to the same place.... |
| 16:04:57 | Llorean | linuxstb: So, when writing, dd if=PP5024.mi4 of=/dev/sda2 seek=1025 ? |
| 16:05:43 | linuxstb | Out of curiousity, what's at sector 1127 (and onwards)? i.e. the contents of the old (larger) mi4 file, or has it been blanked with zeros? |
| 16:05:43 | Stalwart^ | Llorean: two of them are archos and sansa, i think? what are others? |
| 16:06:08 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, that dd command looks right. |
| 16:06:50 | Llorean | linuxstb: Looks like it's the old MI4 |
| 16:07:25 | linuxstb | OK, that makes sense. |
| 16:07:41 | Llorean | Stalwart^: Archos Jukebox Recorder 20gb, Sansa e270, iFP-799, iHP-120, iPod Nano 4gb, and Gigabeat F40 |
| 16:07:54 | Llorean | linuxstb: Well, here it goes. |
| 16:07:56 | Stalwart^ | \o/ |
| 16:08:05 | Stalwart^ | and what's the one you use everyday? |
| 16:08:42 | Llorean | Stalwart^: Gigabeat F40 sitting on its dock hooked up to some portable speakers, mostly. |
| 16:08:59 | Stalwart^ | is it really so good? |
| 16:09:21 | Llorean | linuxstb: "Load main image failed, switch to recovery mode" |
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| 16:09:50 | linuxstb | Ouch... |
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| 16:10:23 | B4gder | well, now you can put it there in recovery mode and then you can compare the sda2 partition after that to see what (else) that changed |
| 16:10:42 | B4gder | like possibly one of those headers or something |
| 16:10:42 | Llorean | Yeah, "recovery mode" still working, so it's an easy fix. |
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| 16:12:00 | cro | Llorean: "hooked up to some portable speakers": doesn't that kill the sound quality? |
| 16:12:01 | B4gder | yes, trying dd'ing over the BL will require somewhat more effort to recover from ;-) |
| 16:12:23 | Llorean | B4gder: So, I should dump /dev/sda2 with the OF installed, then install our bootloader, DD the OF from seek=1025 back into it, dump that, and compare? |
| 16:12:36 | linuxstb | Ah, it seems there is a length in the header... |
| 16:12:56 | Llorean | cro: They aren't that bad. Not great or anything, but not bad either. |
| 16:13:09 | linuxstb | "0080000: 5050 4d49 00b4 5200 0000 0200 0000 0000 PPMI..R......." - 0x0052b400 is the length of the mi4 |
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| 16:13:51 | B4gder | then presumably the first header has the size for the BL? |
| 16:13:56 | linuxstb | Inded. |
| 16:14:00 | linuxstb | eed |
| 16:14:27 | Llorean | B4gder: On the plus side, this shows you can mess up SDA2, but if you don't touch the bootloader bit, it's easy to recover. |
| 16:14:49 | B4gder | yeps, that's nice |
| 16:15:06 | linuxstb | "0000000: 5050 424c 38fc 0500 0000 0100 0000 0000 PPBL8..........." - 0x0005fc28 is the BL* length (392248 bytes). |
| 16:15:22 | linuxstb | Sorry, 0x0005fc38 |
| 16:15:44 | Llorean | B4gder: As a note, you have to enter the OF for the firmware update to happen. |
| 16:16:16 | Llorean | When I tried to update my Rockbox bootloader version, I had to start back into the OF for it to copy it over. |
| 16:17:17 | B4gder | you dd'ed into sda2 but had to start the OF? |
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| 16:17:27 | Llorean | B4gder: No, the other way |
| 16:17:33 | Llorean | B4gder: The file-on-disk, official method |
| 16:17:41 | cro | Llorean: I mean all the discussions about the sound quality of RB vs. the OF. If you have bad speakers those discussions do not make any sense |
| 16:17:46 | linuxstb | OK, so do you think this approach to installation is a good idea? The only problem I see is that the R models will need a different tool... |
| 16:17:50 | Llorean | I had kinda assumed the flash bootloader would handle the firmware update, but apparently it depends on the OF to write it to the disk partition. |
| 16:17:51 | B4gder | ah, right then I follow |
| 16:18:17 | Llorean | cro: My opinion on sound quality is this: All that matters is if you reach the point where you can say "It's good enough for me." |
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| 16:18:38 | Llorean | cro: Also, just because I normally use it with portable speakers that I can easily pick up and move to any room doesn't mean I don't have nicer things to plug my devices into. |
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| 16:22:09 | linuxstb | Llorean: What's the size (in bytes) of your .mi4 file? |
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| 16:22:16 | linuxstb | (the original firmware) |
| 16:22:19 | cro | Llorean: I just assume that most people use their daps with not the best speakers so that the dap isn't the weakest point in the chain. That wasn't a punch to you, just my abstract thoughts. I think (based on your phrase) that you don't take part on that discussions |
| 16:22:38 | t-nine | Hi, I was just wondering if I can have wiki write rights |
| 16:22:48 | Llorean | linuxstb: 5,420,032 actual |
| 16:22:59 | Llorean | cro: Not usually, no. |
| 16:23:11 | linuxstb | What's the state of your Sansa now? Can you try something again? |
| 16:23:27 | Llorean | cro: I'm very casual about my sound quality. I refuse to do double blind tests, because I *like* the fact that my brain thinks certain file types sound better, even though rationally I know I probably can't hear the difference. |
| 16:23:32 | Llorean | linuxstb: Yes. |
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| 16:24:34 | linuxstb | Llorean: Download this file - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/header.bin and write it to sector 1024, and then write the OF mi4 file to sector 1025. |
| 16:24:48 | linuxstb | (assuming you have the RB bootloader back on your Sansa) |
| 16:25:01 | t-nine | Whos an admin here? |
| 16:25:14 | linuxstb | t-nine: What's your wiki name? |
| 16:25:27 | t-nine | NicholasCorbett |
| 16:25:50 | Llorean | linuxstb: The only differences between the /dev/sda2 with the official upgrade, and with PP5024.MI4 dd'ed in are at: 0x80005, 0x80006, 0x7810E1, 0x782D64, 0x782D65, 0x782D68, 0x782D8C, 0x782D90, 0x782D94, 0x782D95, 0x782D98, 0x782DBC, 0x782DC0 |
| 16:26:37 | Llorean | linuxstb: Give me just a minute and I'll try what you've requested. |
| 16:28:03 | linuxstb | t-nine: OK, you're added. |
| 16:28:27 | t-nine | alright, thanks! |
| 16:28:41 | linuxstb | Llorean: The changes at 0x80005 and 0x80006 should be the length of the mi4. But I wonder what the other changes are... |
| 16:29:00 | Llorean | Those are the only changed bytes across the whole 20mb file. |
| 16:29:35 | linuxstb | OK, well let's see if they're important or not... |
| 16:30:50 | Llorean | I'm in the process of writing the original MI4 to it right now |
| 16:32:56 | Llorean | linuxstb: I seem to have just reinstalled the OF. |
| 16:33:24 | linuxstb | Congratulations |
| 16:33:37 | Llorean | So, those other changes may not be important. |
| 16:34:39 | t-nine | How do I change my page name in the twiki? All the other porst are http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/nameofdap |
| 16:35:18 | linuxstb | Do you mean a page that is already created? |
| 16:35:38 | * | bluebrother sees a new sansa installation method coming along :) |
| 16:35:48 | t-nine | No, i have my page, but its just my name. How do i make it say the name of the dap im working on? |
| 16:36:03 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Just to keep the manual writers busy... |
| 16:36:07 | Llorean | bluebrother: If we're lucky, well have a one-click SansaPatcher. |
| 16:36:12 | bluebrother | hehe ;-) |
| 16:36:26 | bluebrother | but I want to cooode ... ;-) |
| 16:36:28 | Llorean | linuxstb: So, it looks like you'll be able to extract an original MI4 for decryption. |
| 16:36:28 | linuxstb | t-nine: I don't think you can - "your" page is by definition your wiki username. |
| 16:36:53 | Llorean | t-nine: You don't change your page, you create a new page for the dap port. T9Port, or whatever. |
| 16:36:57 | bluebrother | t-nine: you can only add pages, not redirect your WikiName page to somewhere else |
| 16:37:15 | t-nine | ooooo, ok, how do i create a page? |
| 16:37:23 | bluebrother | to create a new page use the "Go" box and put in the name of the new page |
| 16:37:35 | bluebrother | then you'll get a page that allows you to create a page with that name |
| 16:38:29 | t-nine | ok, I got it, thanks :D |
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| 16:53:00 | markun | maybe twiki should not accept non-wikiwords when creating a new page.. |
| 16:55:26 | * | B4gder renamed it |
| 16:55:33 | Llorean | It should be SamsunT9Port anyway, shouldn't it? |
| 16:55:40 | Llorean | Samsung even |
| 16:55:47 | Llorean | Most of ours end in Port at least |
| 16:59:32 | B4gder | he certainly added a lot of useful content in that first version :-P |
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| 17:01:22 | Llorean | B4gder: So, where does the firmware MI4 go to on the R models? Is it actually flashed? |
| 17:02:04 | B4gder | since everything is flash I bet it is ;-) |
| 17:02:34 | Llorean | :-P |
| 17:02:36 | B4gder | I assume they just took some space from the nand and access it differently than using the filesystem |
| 17:03:00 | B4gder | since we have the BL it should be possible to figure it out |
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| 17:09:26 | markun | I don't know what to reply to this guy.. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9301.0 |
| 17:09:35 | markun | I'm speechless :) |
| 17:10:11 | Sniper_Spike | XD |
| 17:10:15 | nls | markun: ahaha :-) |
| 17:10:49 | nls | ofcourse we did it on purpose ;-) |
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| 17:14:22 | Kosta | he seems a bit uninformed and confused ^^ |
| 17:14:44 | Kosta | but thats propably why he asked |
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| 17:15:52 | nls | LinusN's quote about people having a clue not using wma seems to be very true indeed... |
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| 17:17:03 | Llorean | WMA doesn't have a lot to recommend it. |
| 17:17:05 | markun | so, can anyone with a ARM based DAP check the improvements in the speex decoding with the optimizations? |
| 17:17:56 | Llorean | markun: If I knew where I'd put my Nano. Are they in SVN, or is it a patch? |
| 17:19:13 | markun | linuxstb: it's in SVN, so you could compare yesterday's build with today's |
| 17:19:30 | markun | We need someting better than boost ratio.. |
| 17:19:34 | Llorean | We do indeed |
| 17:20:33 | Llorean | markun: The March 12 build should be fine for an old-code build? |
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| 17:22:05 | markun | Llorean: yes, should work |
| 17:22:40 | Llorean | Okay, boost radio fluctuating consistently between 15% and 17% with that build |
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| 17:24:17 | Kosta | stupid noob question: whats a boost ratio? |
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| 17:25:11 | nls | a measure of how long the processor needs to be boosted to keep up |
| 17:25:19 | Llorean | markun: Okay, pre-opts, the boost would go from 15% to 17% (the PCM buffer watermark seems REALLY high by the way), with the opts, it's staying around 14%, mostly consistently. |
| 17:25:29 | nls | iow a performance measure, lower is better |
| 17:25:54 | Kosta | processor boosted = running at top speed? |
| 17:26:11 | Llorean | Kosta: Not really "Top", but the fastest Rockbox chooses to run it. |
| 17:26:23 | nls | Llorean: iirc Slasheri made the watermark on the pcm buffer really high sometime around when he introduced the new schedular |
| 17:26:25 | Kosta | ok, makes sense :) |
| 17:26:43 | Llorean | nls: It's really, REALLY high. |
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| 17:27:27 | nls | Llorean: yeah I know, he said that it doesn't do any harm to switch boost state that often either... |
| 17:27:45 | nls | as it does boost whenever it hits the watermark |
| 17:28:10 | nls | Kosta: it is at or near the top speed for most targets tho |
| 17:28:11 | Llorean | Well, there is a cost when boosting. |
| 17:28:14 | Llorean | It takes time to boost. |
| 17:28:36 | markun | Llorean: well, no spectacular improvements then, but at least it helps a bit |
| 17:28:38 | Llorean | So spending 15% of your time boosting, boosting sixteen times per minute IS worse than spending 15% of your time boosted, boosting 5 times a minute. |
| 17:28:39 | nls | Llorean: I thought so too but the cost is apparently immesurably small |
| 17:28:45 | Kosta | shouldnt it be as low as possible to save power? |
| 17:28:59 | Llorean | Kosta: We run the cpu low as long as we can. |
| 17:29:05 | nls | Kosta: it needs to boost to decode audion fast enough sometimes |
| 17:29:17 | Llorean | nls: Did he put numbers on this somewhere? |
| 17:29:49 | nls | Llorean: no, he just told me when I asked him in here, it is probably in the logs somewhere :-) |
| 17:29:52 | Llorean | nls: I don't understand why we even HAVE that large of a PCM buffer if we're going to keep the watermark high. |
| 17:30:06 | Llorean | If there's 300kb of data that you never access, why even have it there? |
| 17:31:07 | nls | Llorean: I don't understand the buffering stuff well enough to answer that, but I guess it is sort of a safeguard when something else eats the cpu for a while |
| 17:31:29 | amiconn | nls: The cost also depends on the target |
| 17:31:59 | amiconn | For coldfire, the cpu runs at the base frequency until the pll has relocked, which can take up to 10ms |
| 17:32:09 | nls | amiconn: oh, how much does it differ? |
| 17:32:38 | amiconn | That means, when switching 45 <-> 124MHz, the CPU runs at 11MHz for up to 10ms (typical 3ms) |
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| 17:34:59 | Llorean | markun: One of our summer of code suggestions is some method of being able to test codec performance. |
| 17:36:32 | nls | amiconn: so if my calculations are correct (i'm not sure :-) ) if we change speed once every second and play for 14 hours we'd run the cpu at 11MHz for about 5 minutes (if the change takes 3ms) |
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| 17:45:54 | linuxstb | Llorean: Could you send me the MBR from your Sansa? (dd if=/dev/sda of=mbr-sansa.bin count=1) |
| 17:48:34 | Llorean | linuxstb: Sure, just a moment while VMWare boots |
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| 17:49:58 | nls | ahah, in a mistic river "which build do you use" for the H300 the official builds scores a mere 9% XD |
| 17:50:31 | saratoga | album art probably has something to do with that |
| 17:51:42 | Llorean | linuxstb: Alright, I've the file. How should I go about getting it to you? |
| 17:52:02 | nls | maybe, I thought the working-but-not-quite-in-the-way-we-want-it-to patch for albumart was going to be comitted as a stop-gap method... |
| 17:53:01 | saratoga | that'd be nice, but i haven't heard anything |
| 17:53:12 | saratoga | the sheer amount of fustration that patch has generated over the months is insane |
| 17:54:31 | nls | yes, any patch that has to do with "teh shiney" gets huge attention from users but stangely(? ;-)) not from most devs :-) |
| 17:55:06 | Llorean | I don't see anything strange about it. |
| 17:55:54 | Llorean | Devs are working on what they feel is important or interesting, and assume the people currently working on the shiny will get it up to a committable point eventually |
| 17:56:13 | amiconn | nls: 150 seconds |
| 17:56:20 | nls | no, your right it's just that there is such a gap between what the devs care about and what (most) users care about |
| 17:56:35 | nls | amiconn: then I am way off :-) |
| 17:56:40 | Llorean | On the plus side, there's not a real downside to not catering to users, is there? |
| 17:57:02 | nls | of course not, who needs users anyway? |
| 17:57:20 | Llorean | Well, they make good bug testers just by sheer force of numbers and chance. :-P |
| 17:57:33 | amiconn | Once every second is ok, even several times. But e.g. 50 times per second would not be okay, and that might happen with the button boost |
| 17:57:40 | saratoga | i do love how this project really can be indifferent to users |
| 17:57:42 | SaLoMoN | Hi |
| 17:57:43 | saratoga | not that it is |
| 17:57:57 | Llorean | saratoga: It's not really indifferent. |
| 17:57:58 | SaLoMoN | Is it normal that rockbox on sansa e200 crashes after 1-020seconds? |
| 17:58:13 | Llorean | saratoga: But they don't have the kind of weight they would in a commercial project. |
| 17:58:58 | Llorean | SaLoMoN: What were you doing when it crashed, and what sort of crash did you get? |
| 17:59:09 | SaLoMoN | doenst matter what I'm doing... |
| 17:59:21 | amiconn | Furthermore, frequency changes on coldfire cause the timer interval to become imprecise, which is btw the reason why we need to keep the cpu boosted during backlight fading on h1x0 |
| 17:59:23 | SaLoMoN | listening to music or trying any plugin |
| 17:59:35 | SaLoMoN | mhhh |
| 17:59:35 | Kosta | SaLoMoN, no it should not crash |
| 17:59:39 | SaLoMoN | it hangs up |
| 17:59:51 | SaLoMoN | and the screen is getting very colored |
| 17:59:51 | SaLoMoN | ^^ |
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| 18:00:22 | nls | amiconn: does buttonboost make the cpu boost on any buttonpress? and since when does it do that? |
| 18:00:51 | Llorean | SaLoMoN: When did you first install Rockbox? |
| 18:01:01 | SaLoMoN | a few weeks ago |
| 18:01:05 | SaLoMoN | I had that problem too |
| 18:01:18 | SaLoMoN | now i wanted to test it again because of the audio support |
| 18:01:25 | SaLoMoN | same problem :| |
| 18:01:33 | Llorean | Try updating your bootloader. Download the newest PP5022.MI4 file from the link on the official install instructions, and put it in the root of your player. |
| 18:01:39 | SaLoMoN | I did |
| 18:01:44 | barrywardell | SaLoMoN: I think there may be bugs in the LCD driver |
| 18:01:55 | Llorean | barrywardell: Oh, there's no question about that one. ;) |
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| 18:02:05 | Llorean | But crashes every 10-20 seconds is a bit extreme. |
| 18:02:07 | SaLoMoN | barrywardell, the sound stops too |
| 18:02:56 | SaLoMoN | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200/PP5022.mi4 |
| 18:03:03 | barrywardell | SaLoMoN: yes, when the LCD driver crashes, it seems to take the rest of rockbox with it! |
| 18:03:03 | SaLoMoN | I think this is the newsets one? |
| 18:03:09 | SaLoMoN | oh |
| 18:03:30 | Llorean | SaLoMoN: It sounds like you're just going to have to wait for improvements. |
| 18:03:38 | SaLoMoN | yeah... |
| 18:03:39 | Llorean | As I'm sure you know, it's still very early for Rockbox on the Sansa. |
| 18:03:51 | SaLoMoN | yes^^ |
| 18:03:51 | netmasta10bt | is that a new bootloader? for e200 ? |
| 18:04:05 | Llorean | netmasta10bt: It's not _that_ new. |
| 18:04:05 | SaLoMoN | mhh |
| 18:04:09 | SaLoMoN | now the cube works |
| 18:04:10 | Llorean | It's just the most recent one. |
| 18:04:14 | barrywardell | SaLoMoN: or you can try figure out what's wrong with the LCD driver |
| 18:04:23 | netmasta10bt | ok, not new in the last 2-3 days |
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| 18:04:29 | SaLoMoN | I think its not the lcd driver |
| 18:04:32 | SaLoMoN | only sound |
| 18:04:39 | SaLoMoN | the cube plugin works fine |
| 18:04:40 | SaLoMoN | for |
| 18:04:59 | SaLoMoN | more than 1minute now |
| 18:05:07 | SaLoMoN | seems to be the audio driver |
| 18:05:13 | Llorean | The LCD driver definitely has problems. Or at least something involved in LCD updates does. |
| 18:05:13 | barrywardell | so it only crashes when playing sound? |
| 18:05:17 | SaLoMoN | yeah |
| 18:05:31 | Llorean | List drawing has a lot of noticeable artifacts that aren't there on other Rockbox devices. |
| 18:05:49 | netmasta10bt | mine crashes on settings->rockbox info |
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| 18:07:03 | barrywardell | not to mention the flickering, occasional failure of the bootloader to load, ... |
| 18:07:05 | amiconn | Llorean: Afaik the problem is that lcd_update() is asynchronous on Sansa |
| 18:07:27 | Llorean | amiconn: Ah, well that description sounds like it'd explain a lot of what I'm seeing. |
| 18:07:50 | barrywardell | yes, we need to figure out how to wait for the dma transfer to finish |
| 18:08:00 | Llorean | barrywardell: That white screen instead of a bootloader caused me a bit of a panic the first time it happened, since it just happened to align with some experimenting I thought was safe. |
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| 18:08:33 | barrywardell | Llorean: haha, me too. It even happens when booting the OF sometimes |
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| 18:09:21 | * | Llorean is hoping we end up with an automagic installer. |
| 18:10:18 | barrywardell | also, the latest SVN bootloader shouldn't call lcd_update() unless there is an error or FFWD is pressed, but yet it still updates the lcd with the rockbox blue. |
| 18:12:57 | Llorean | amiconn: With asynchronous lcd_updates, what should it look like? |
| 18:15:01 | Llorean | Nevermind |
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| 18:17:32 | saratoga | has anyone heard from Toni recently? |
| 18:17:40 | saratoga | i kind of hate to keep bugging him for progress updates |
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| 18:18:24 | donvito | hey dan, you here? |
| 18:23:59 | donvito | is anyone here that heard about the whole e200 -> e200r conversion? |
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| 18:25:11 | netmasta10bt | i read the i2c post from bagder to send the e200 stuff to the 200r |
| 18:25:23 | netmasta10bt | did u try that |
| 18:25:39 | donvito | the one in the e200r forum? |
| 18:25:42 | netmasta10bt | ya |
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| 18:25:58 | donvito | yea i read that, see the thing is, im trying to do the opposite |
| 18:26:06 | donvito | e200r > e200 |
| 18:26:44 | netmasta10bt | trying to turn the e200 into a rhap model |
| 18:26:55 | donvito | no the other way around... |
| 18:27:03 | _Amblin | hey don, had any luck? |
| 18:27:27 | netmasta10bt | i thought that's what bagder suggested |
| 18:27:28 | donvito | well not as of yet :] |
| 18:27:38 | barrywardell | donvito: merwin was trying to do that earlier |
| 18:27:39 | _Amblin | YET :) |
| 18:27:43 | donvito | ic ic |
| 18:27:46 | donvito | yea YET keyword |
| 18:27:48 | donvito | haha |
| 18:27:54 | _Amblin | :) |
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| 18:28:18 | donvito | i think that i read somewhere that when you convert an e200 to a rhapsody, theres no going back yet either |
| 18:29:47 | saratoga | don: did you see this post by Bagder in the R thread: "we have been making some fun progress and have been able to convert a vanilla e200 to a e200R and back..." |
| 18:29:52 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Did you read the logs from earlier today about the Sansa's second partition, and my idea for an ipodpatcher-like installer for the Sansa? |
| 18:29:53 | saratoga | sounds like the process is now invertable |
| 18:31:47 | donvito | saratoga: niceeee |
| 18:31:51 | barrywardell | linuxstb: yes. I like the idea a lot |
| 18:32:19 | | Part nls |
| 18:32:21 | donvito | i just hope that bagder is around soon, so i can talk with him about the rhapsody to vanilla conversion |
| 18:32:28 | netmasta10bt | the scroll wheel is causing all sorts of crazyness for me |
| 18:32:49 | barrywardell | linuxstb: have you started working on a tool for it? |
| 18:33:12 | Frode_ | what this vanilla thing? |
| 18:33:29 | donvito | vanilla means plain e200 |
| 18:33:32 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I'm just starting it now. |
| 18:33:38 | donvito | ya know like vanilla = plain haha |
| 18:33:53 | Llorean | I've always thought "vanilla" was an odd word choice for "plain" |
| 18:33:57 | donvito | linuxstb: thats really cool, i think that would make things easier :] |
| 18:33:59 | Frode_ | ok...that has to be some american stuff. lol |
| 18:34:02 | Llorean | As far as I'm concerned, Vanilla is a very strong flavour. |
| 18:34:07 | barrywardell | cool. I'd be glad to test a patch once you have it up and running |
| 18:34:09 | donvito | haha, i agree |
| 18:34:59 | linuxstb | barrywardell: What do you think about storing the decrypted version of the OF in that hidden partition, instead of in a file on the FAT32 partition? That would mean changing the bootloader slightly to read it from there instead. |
| 18:35:21 | barrywardell | I think it's much better that way |
| 18:35:49 | barrywardell | if we could do everything automagically using a tool and have little to no risk of breaking things afterwards, that would be great |
| 18:35:49 | Llorean | I agree. |
| 18:36:00 | donvito | rgr that guys |
| 18:36:08 | donvito | noobs rejoice |
| 18:36:14 | donvito | :P |
| 18:36:24 | barrywardell | linuxstb: one option would be to append the OF to the bootloader and make a big mi4 out of the whole lot |
| 18:36:27 | linuxstb | The downside seems to be that this approach won't work on the R models - they don't seem to have that partition. |
| 18:36:46 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Yes, but wouldn't that slow down Rockbox booting? |
| 18:37:08 | barrywardell | possibly, yes. that would be the downside. I'm not sure how big of an affect that would be though |
| 18:37:09 | donvito | linuxstb: the 16mb or the hidden? |
| 18:37:22 | Llorean | barrywardell: We've already managed to manually write an MI4 into the hidden partition, so we should be able to write a bootloader to it, then safely make use of the extra space. |
| 18:37:23 | linuxstb | The hidden second partition visible in normal UMS mode. |
| 18:37:41 | donvito | ahh ic ic |
| 18:38:36 | Llorean | There's an awful lot of free space in it. |
| 18:38:42 | preglow | didn't someone have a proper patch for building gcc on amd64? |
| 18:38:45 | barrywardell | thinking about it, the one big mi4 file doesn't really give any benefit and would actually make things harder and slower |
| 18:38:45 | preglow | the one in the wiki is a hack |
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| 18:39:39 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Yes. My idea is that there would be a 512-byte header at a fixed location on disk. The bootloader would read that sector and check for some magic to see if the OF was present. |
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| 18:40:15 | linuxstb | The header would also include the length of the OF, and then OF itself would follow starting at the next sector. |
| 18:40:35 | barrywardell | linuxstb: could you not just read the length of the rockbox bootloader from the mi4 header, then check just after that for a OF header? |
| 18:40:58 | barrywardell | so that you wouldn't need a fixed location on disk |
| 18:41:12 | barrywardell | although that would make upgrading the bootloader slightly more complicated if its size changes |
| 18:41:31 | linuxstb | Yes. Or even better, from the "pre-mi4" header which is at offset 0x80000 in the hidden partition. |
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| 18:42:23 | linuxstb | Yes, I'll avoid the fixed location. |
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| 18:43:33 | barrywardell | good. it's more complicated, but imho a better way to do it |
| 18:44:27 | SofRaZorbacK | hi all is there some voice files guru here. I need to generate a voicepause.wav file and don't know how to do that. it's digital silence. |
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| 18:45:28 | donvito | SofRaZorbacK: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 18:46:36 | SofRaZorbacK | donvito thx hope it's speech friendly |
| 18:46:48 | donvito | SofRaZorbacK: np dude |
| 18:46:58 | donvito | SofRaZorbacK: should be able to generate silence with it easily |
| 18:47:11 | SofRaZorbacK | ok! |
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| 18:48:59 | preglow | do anyone know how i can pipe stderr along to other progs with sh? |
| 18:49:16 | _Amblin | Well yesterday's build of RB for the E200 was a bust in my opinion..volume was lower and it sounded worse |
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| 18:53:07 | netmasta10bt | i dont believe anything changed in sound since dan checked in sound code? |
| 18:54:55 | _Amblin | Then perhaps the work they did on the ADC driver cause this? |
| 18:55:38 | Frode_ | if the battery is low on the sansa, can the playback quality be decreased alot? i think i experienced this today, it was all skippy and bad - until i tested again now, charged it for an hour |
| 18:55:48 | _Amblin | Because now it seems to me that half volume on the build of the 12th is the max for the 13ths |
| 18:56:00 | _Amblin | Not only that, it crackles |
| 18:56:08 | Frode_ | correct, crackles too |
| 18:56:22 | _Amblin | Ive reverted to the 12th's build for now |
| 18:57:04 | Frode_ | ok.. which is the best one for now? |
| 18:57:14 | _Amblin | I believe at the time I tested, I still had half a battery left, according to the OF, I dunno, Ill again later today |
| 18:57:27 | _Amblin | IMO the 12th is the best for now |
| 18:58:45 | jac0b | can you make a playlist on your computer and add it to rockbox? |
| 18:58:53 | Llorean | jac0b: Yes |
| 18:59:08 | Llorean | Just make sure it points to the songs on your player, and is an m3u or m3u8 format playlist. |
| 18:59:13 | jac0b | I have tried that but it doesn't see it |
| 18:59:31 | Llorean | What do you mean by "doesn't see it" |
| 18:59:56 | jac0b | when I startup rockbox where do I go to find it |
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| 19:00:04 | Llorean | Where did you put the file? |
| 19:00:12 | preglow | bah, i see people mentioning |& to pipe stderr, but it doesn't work here :/ |
| 19:00:21 | jac0b | in the folder with the album |
| 19:00:37 | Llorean | jac0b: Then you go into that folder to find it. |
| 19:00:54 | jac0b | okay |
| 19:01:14 | jac0b | would it be better to put the playlists in the root |
| 19:01:14 | Llorean | I mean, it's not too difficult. If you put a file somewhere, then when you want to find that file, you look where you put it. |
| 19:01:39 | Llorean | Depends on what you mean by "better" |
| 19:01:50 | Llorean | If you like them in the root better, then yes, it's better to put them in the root. |
| 19:01:55 | jac0b | I did look in the folder of the album for the playlist but I didn't see it |
| 19:02:14 | Llorean | Have you changed the "File View" setting? |
| 19:03:32 | jac0b | I have the "File View" set to supported |
| 19:03:52 | Llorean | Well, if it's a .m3u or a .m3u8 file, it should show up in the filetree then. |
| 19:04:22 | jac0b | alright well I will have to try again |
| 19:04:43 | jac0b | thanks for the help Llorean |
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| 19:11:41 | amiconn | linuxstb: Does the hidden partition on the sansa use a known filesystem, or is it just raw data? |
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| 19:12:30 | linuxstb | It's just very raw data. |
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| 19:14:50 | linuxstb | The first sector starts with "PPBL", followed by the length of the bootloader, which follows in subsequent sectors. Then it's empty until 512KB into the partition, where there is a "PPMI" string, followed by the length of the mi4 image, which is then in the subsequent sectors. The mi4 image itself also has a 512-byte header. |
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| 19:16:06 | jac0b | where do I find the e200 version for the 12th not current |
| 19:16:37 | _Amblin | http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=sansae200 |
| 19:16:39 | amiconn | markun: Seems I was wrong. The ltp code seems to be used for the decoder; at least linking speex.codec fails when leaving out ltp.c (and hence ltp_arm4.h) from compilation |
| 19:18:12 | jac0b | thanks amblin |
| 19:18:31 | _Amblin | Your welcome, jac0b. |
| 19:20:15 | jac0b | how is the progress on the volume has there been any headway |
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| 19:22:56 | Frode_ | im missing some louder volume on the sansa, is this known? |
| 19:23:53 | _Amblin | The Devs know about the volume being lower than on the OF, and attempts in raising the volume thus far has caused crackling. |
| 19:24:57 | _Amblin | For now in my humble opinion, the 12th's build has the highest volume, with no crackling, and also the best sound quality |
| 19:25:22 | Frode_ | ok ok |
| 19:25:32 | Frode_ | thanks, i will test that right away |
| 19:25:38 | _Amblin | :) |
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| 19:25:55 | Frode_ | im testing a couple of different audio formats for playback at the moment |
| 19:25:55 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Your fix is for H300 as well... |
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| 19:28:10 | Ice8lue | good evening |
| 19:28:18 | preglow | amiconn: do you have a better patch for m68k gcc on amd64 than the one in the wiki? |
| 19:28:23 | _Amblin | good morning :) |
| 19:28:52 | amiconn | preglow: There is a backport from the current gcc svn in flyspray, but I didn't try it yet |
| 19:29:02 | preglow | amiconn: ah, cool, i will do that, then |
| 19:29:13 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6564 |
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| 19:30:17 | preglow | rockboxdev.sh needs modifying to support amd64 hosts |
| 19:30:58 | preglow | it doesn't currently support downloading several patches, though, and i bloody hate coding bash |
| 19:31:10 | Ice8lue | morning?^^ hey i got a question...is it possible to keep listening to music while using the plugins? |
| 19:31:44 | preglow | Ice8lue: sure, depends on the plugin |
| 19:31:56 | Ice8lue | preglow: doom f.e.? |
| 19:32:02 | preglow | doom needs the audio for itself, so no |
| 19:32:28 | Ice8lue | but there is no audio |
| 19:32:28 | preglow | oh? |
| 19:32:29 | preglow | i have audio |
| 19:32:29 | amiconn | Doom needs the audio buffer before all |
| 19:32:40 | preglow | yeah, also true |
| 19:32:48 | _Amblin | Do you have a e200, Ice? |
| 19:32:55 | Ice8lue | well...ya e250 |
| 19:33:14 | Frode_ | _Amblin, I can't really hear a difference in the sound volume for 12th or 13th build.. |
| 19:33:38 | _Amblin | Hmm |
| 19:34:19 | _Amblin | Well there was an apparent change in volume and sound quality |
| 19:34:27 | _Amblin | Ill give it another shot. |
| 19:34:33 | Frode_ | really. . . |
| 19:34:43 | _Amblin | WEll to me atleast |
| 19:34:55 | Frode_ | ok :] |
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| 19:35:14 | Ice8lue | anybody else has this problem on sansa? |
| 19:35:44 | Frode_ | Ice8lue, yes i use to play jewels and listen to music |
| 19:36:23 | Ice8lue | Frode_: ok i tried that. doesnt work, sound stops immediatly |
| 19:36:45 | Frode_ | Ice8lue, running the latest build? |
| 19:37:24 | Ice8lue | yesterdays build somewhere arround 9pm |
| 19:38:00 | SaLoMoN | where can I find themes for rockbox? |
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| 19:38:14 | Frode_ | Hmm.. not sure if i tried yesterday. but it works for todays 13th build |
| 19:38:18 | SaLoMoN | and.. do they work on sansa e200 already? |
| 19:38:33 | Ice8lue | SaLoMoN: There arent that much.... |
| 19:38:42 | Frode_ | SaLoMoN, it works on e200 yes, but not the raphsody version |
| 19:39:08 | Ice8lue | Frode_: ok, so ill update it... |
| 19:39:14 | Ice8lue | lets hope and see^^ |
| 19:39:22 | Frode_ | Ice8lue, try to, and report back |
| 19:39:34 | SaLoMoN | and where? |
| 19:39:41 | _Amblin | Well, the crackling has disapeared |
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| 19:39:52 | Frode_ | Ice8lue, im playing jewels on the latest build now.. works. |
| 19:40:02 | _Amblin | Strange... |
| 19:40:18 | Ice8lue | SaLoMoN: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=176x220x16 |
| 19:40:24 | SaLoMoN | thx |
| 19:40:28 | Ice8lue | ok one moment.... |
| 19:40:44 | Frode_ | woot, two new ones! awsome |
| 19:41:00 | _Amblin | Yeah, the Winamp based one is pretty sweet IMO |
| 19:41:11 | amiconn | markun: The assembled code looks correct, it's just the warning we need to get rid of |
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| 19:41:45 | Frode_ | i'll add them now and check it out |
| 19:41:46 | Sniper_Spike | which one is winamp based |
| 19:41:55 | Sniper_Spike | oh, rockamp |
| 19:42:03 | Sniper_Spike | I have the old ghetto looking winamp :P |
| 19:42:09 | Sniper_Spike | not that fancy new stuff |
| 19:42:13 | _Amblin | Ah |
| 19:42:31 | preglow | amiconn: what should i do if the patch works ok? upload to the wiki and delete the old one? |
| 19:44:30 | Frode_ | I can confirm that there is pops/crackles while playing mp3 and jewels plugin at once.. now and then |
| 19:45:23 | preglow | coldfire changes to 4.3: http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.3/changes.html#m68k |
| 19:45:29 | Frode_ | Sniper_Spike, you got it on a sansa? |
| 19:45:29 | preglow | doesn't exactly look extremely exciting |
| 19:45:56 | Sniper_Spike | I'll see Frode |
| 19:45:59 | Sniper_Spike | jewels you say |
| 19:46:30 | Frode_ | yep.. with todays build on the sansa |
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| 19:47:36 | _Amblin | Hey guys, I have an idea, lemme hear what you think. Say your playing a game or watching a plugin, and you want to control the music (stop, play, next song etc), one presses the record button, then the stop, play, next button, and in the backround, the player responds without having to go to Now playing |
| 19:47:39 | jac0b | I tried "BlackGlass" on my sansa and I get a "data abort" |
| 19:48:29 | Ice8lue | would it be possible to port ScummVM to rockbox? i think it would be very funny^^ |
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| 19:49:30 | _Amblin | So my pet idea is a 20 year old dog on its last legs? :P |
| 19:49:36 | preglow | amiconn: patch works fine |
| 19:50:07 | Frode_ | Im now using the rockamp blue on the sansa. works fine. cool theme |
| 19:50:08 | Ice8lue | ^^ |
| 19:50:27 | Frode_ | eek.. skipping sound |
| 19:50:47 | Frode_ | could it be caused of the database updating in the background or something? |
| 19:51:10 | * | amiconn got rid of the warnings in arm4 libspeex :) |
| 19:51:13 | Sniper_Spike | just loaded the newest rockbox Frode |
| 19:51:19 | dan_a | _Amblin: I don't like it because it's not obvious - what does record have to do with stopping music? |
| 19:51:54 | Frode_ | hey dan_a :) |
| 19:52:01 | dan_a | Hi Frode_ |
| 19:52:05 | amiconn | preglow: I guess we should use it then instead of the old hack |
| 19:52:17 | dan_a | preglow: Did you get an answer to your stderr question? |
| 19:52:30 | amiconn | preglow: It might be better to switch to 4.0.3 as well |
| 19:52:47 | Frode_ | dan_a, im experiencing lots of skipping/pops in mp3 playback on the sansa now.. any clues? |
| 19:52:48 | preglow | amiconn: any reason? last i checked, the code didn't look any better |
| 19:53:02 | preglow | dan_a: i found a hackish way: lol 2>&1 | |
| 19:53:07 | dan_a | Frode_: Does it go away if you turn the volume down? |
| 19:53:08 | preglow | dan_a: if there's any better, please say so :) |
| 19:53:08 | amiconn | Most code is about equally fast, but wavpack profits... |
| 19:53:22 | preglow | amiconn: i have no objections if you have tested and found it to be ok |
| 19:53:25 | Frode_ | dan_a: let me check |
| 19:53:29 | _Amblin | Because when your in a plugin, or game, the play stop fas forward, rewind, are all being used. The record button will act like a shift key on a computer, for running operations outside of the present window |
| 19:53:39 | amiconn | And we would have the same recommended version for all targets |
| 19:53:46 | preglow | amiconn: would be nice indeed |
| 19:54:09 | Frode_ | dan_a: correct.. its all about the volume. goes away at a lower lever |
| 19:54:12 | Frode_ | level* |
| 19:54:23 | dan_a | preglow: That's fine if you want stderr and stdout to be piped... if you just want stderr it's even nastier... lol 2>&1 >&3 3>&- | |
| 19:54:36 | preglow | dan_a: i know i only get stderr |
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| 19:54:56 | preglow | it's just used to pipe gcc -v to grep, really |
| 19:54:57 | Sniper_Spike | yes Frode_ |
| 19:55:01 | preglow | for some reason, gcc pretty much always prints to stderr |
| 19:55:02 | Sniper_Spike | I get slight crackles in jewels |
| 19:55:03 | preglow | annoying |
| 19:55:37 | dan_a | Frode_: That's the headphone current limiter kicking in - I need to do some work to make volume louder without that happening |
| 19:56:02 | Sniper_Spike | Frode_ but I only noticed it when Ioaded jewels |
| 19:56:05 | Ice8lue | was away for some time...so would scummvm be possible? open source too |
| 19:56:41 | netmasta10bt | i wouldn't want to play scumm without a mouse or stylus |
| 19:56:47 | dan_a | Ice8lue: It's been asked about before - IIRC it is written in C++ so it would be difficult to mix with Rockbox |
| 19:57:29 | * | amiconn wonders whether ffmpeg has a more efficient aac codec than libfaad |
| 19:57:35 | Lear | amiconn: you mean gcc 4.0.3 for m68k? |
| 19:57:39 | Frode_ | dan_a: i see.. a check on the limiting has to be monitored? to allow the higher volumes without the interupting from the limiter checks |
| 19:57:44 | amiconn | Lear: yes |
| 19:57:44 | preglow | amiconn: it's still work in progress |
| 19:57:47 | Ice8lue | dan_a: well...am too noobish for such things^^ but the syntax of c and c++ is very similar isnt it? |
| 19:58:33 | dan_a | Frode_: I think I might just have to enable a "low power" mode, but I wanted to get audio working first, and then get it working right. |
| 19:58:56 | Sniper_Spike | Ice8lue: well I'd say they are pretty similar |
| 19:58:56 | Lear | amiconn: gcc 4.0.3 didn't look that promising when I tested it, but maybe it can be tweaked a bit with options (e.g., -fstrength-reduce reduces size on 3.4.6). |
| 19:59:08 | Frode_ | dan_a: kool. yes, you are the man :) |
| 19:59:08 | dan_a | Ice8lue: Similar, but that doesn't make it easy to take a lump of C++ and mix it with C and have it work. |
| 19:59:12 | Lear | Btw, 4.0.4 is out... |
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| 19:59:38 | HDog | anyone upgraded H320 to something like 60gb? |
| 19:59:39 | amiconn | Lear: My tests had no negative results for any format, and wavpack became considerably faster... |
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| 20:00:05 | HDog | I got an HD yesterday, and been messing around since, trying to make it work |
| 20:00:09 | amiconn | I don't remember what influence it had on binary size |
| 20:00:17 | preglow | a negative one |
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| 20:00:18 | Ice8lue | damn....would really like to play monkey island mobile^^ got scummvm on my mobile phone a long time and thought it would be possible.... well, if i trained some more, maybe i'll try |
| 20:00:19 | Sniper_Spike | Frode_: yes I can hear slight crackles now while listening to softer music |
| 20:00:21 | preglow | but not by extreme amounts |
| 20:00:30 | Lear | Hm.. Should be noted that my tests weren't very accurate (looked on boost ratio). :) |
| 20:00:44 | amiconn | Me too |
| 20:00:52 | Sniper_Spike | Frode_ but it's only while navigating menus, etc |
| 20:01:12 | amiconn | Perhaps we should try 4.0.4 |
| 20:01:21 | Lear | Just started downloading. :) |
| 20:01:22 | Frode_ | Sniper_Spike: i guess dan_a, and others will figure out these bugs sooner or later |
| 20:01:36 | amiconn | (for all targets, unless we don't want identical versions. 4.1.x is a no-go for m68k) |
| 20:01:41 | preglow | how do you delete attachments from the wiki? |
| 20:01:57 | HDog | so I was wondering if ppl who upgraded their iRiver HD formatted them from inside the player or used some sort of enclosure? |
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| 20:01:59 | preglow | hrm, guess i'll wait until you figure out whether to switch compilers anyway |
| 20:02:04 | amiconn | You don't. YOu move them to the TrashAttachment topic |
| 20:02:11 | dan_a | amiconn: There are big savings for sh using 4.1.2 |
| 20:02:31 | amiconn | dan_a: Oh? Last time I tried it the effect was minimal |
| 20:02:37 | amiconn | (but that was 4.1.0 iirc) |
| 20:03:04 | dan_a | Of the order of 10k, IIRC |
| 20:03:15 | * | amiconn also thought that dan_a tested 4.1.2 on arm... |
| 20:03:47 | preglow | 4.2.0 is out in not too long |
| 20:03:57 | * | amiconn thinks he needs to adapt the rockbox patch to 4.1.2 and start testing |
| 20:04:03 | dan_a | amiconn: I have, and it works pretty well |
| 20:04:41 | amiconn | dan_a: Without rockbox patch, SH binaries built with -Os (which we use; also applies to -O2 and -O3) will crash |
| 20:04:59 | amiconn | (unless the gcc team fixed it which is rather unlikely imho) |
| 20:06:05 | dan_a | amiconn: How much would the patch affect binary size? I didn't bother adapting it for the quick test I did, but it didn't look like it would change things |
| 20:06:15 | amiconn | Almost neglectible |
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| 20:06:52 | Tyronemaskell | hello all |
| 20:06:53 | amiconn | The patch corrects jumptable generation is some corner cases (which happen to appear in our code) |
| 20:07:04 | amiconn | s/is/in/ |
| 20:07:12 | Tyronemaskell | anyone here who knows how to program |
| 20:07:28 | Tyronemaskell | ie got a wps file that i wouldlike to add something too |
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| 20:08:02 | Tyronemaskell | can anyone help me its pretty simple i think |
| 20:08:08 | Sniper_Spike | wps files are rather straight forward |
| 20:08:33 | Sniper_Spike | there's an article about them on the wiki |
| 20:08:37 | Ice8lue | whats up? |
| 20:08:42 | HDog | anyone with iRiver H300 series player who upgraded their HD? |
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| 20:09:18 | HDog | I think I got a defective HD, but I'm not sure how to be sure so I could return it |
| 20:10:01 | _Amblin | Well I know when big hard drives fail, they either click or dont spin up at all |
| 20:10:02 | Tyronemaskell | hey ive got i H300 |
| 20:10:08 | Tyronemaskell | when you know tell me too |
| 20:10:27 | Tyronemaskell | Sniper_Spike pls can you check your pvt |
| 20:10:39 | HDog | this one doesn't make any 'bad' sounds, the problem is I can't format it |
| 20:10:52 | _Amblin | But can you still listen to music? |
| 20:10:55 | Ice8lue | well i know it but i dont have one |
| 20:11:04 | amiconn | dan_a: Did you compare unpatched 4.0.3 vs. unpatched 4.1.2 then? |
| 20:11:28 | _Amblin | If the only problem you have is not being able to format the hard drive, its likely just a software issue |
| 20:11:29 | HDog | with the new 60gig HD inside iRiver I hook it up to the PC and windows thinks it's 2 tera bytes |
| 20:11:35 | amiconn | Unpatched vs. patched makes a *huge* difference. Without patch, 'configure' won't enable -Os |
| 20:12:14 | HDog | I was thinking of going and buying an enclosure to test it, but I never heard anyone mentioning doing that on mysticriver forum |
| 20:12:15 | _Amblin | Well this is likely something you can fix with a firmware update |
| 20:12:36 | _Amblin | Are you sure this drive is compatible with the player? |
| 20:12:56 | dan_a | Unpatched 4.1.2, but patched 4.0.3 - I'm pretty sure I saw the size grow, checked out why, and then enabled -Os manually (it didn't matter to me if the binary would crash...) |
| 20:13:00 | Tyronemaskell | hey HDog guess you got an iriver too |
| 20:13:13 | Sniper_Spike | Tyronemaskell: my what? |
| 20:13:14 | HDog | it's MK6006GAH |
| 20:13:19 | Tyronemaskell | can i paste my wps file here |
| 20:13:26 | amiconn | dan_a: Ah ok |
| 20:13:26 | HDog | Tyronemaskell: yup, I got it |
| 20:13:35 | bluebrother | Tyronemaskell: no, use a pastebin |
| 20:13:37 | dan_a | amiconn: I'll double check |
| 20:13:38 | HDog | Tyronemaskell: but I don't have rockbox on it yet |
| 20:13:59 | Tyronemaskell | rockbox rocks |
| 20:14:16 | Sniper_Spike | of course it does |
| 20:14:19 | Tyronemaskell | whats a paste bin |
| 20:14:23 | HDog | yup, sure does, as soon as I get this HD working it's goin right onto this player :) |
| 20:14:27 | Tyronemaskell | i need to add something so small |
| 20:14:28 | Sniper_Spike | http://pastebin.com/ |
| 20:15:01 | HDog | Amblin: do u think I need to update firmware for the HD to be recognized by windows as 60gb? |
| 20:15:37 | HDog | SwissKnife detects it as 40gb, but fails to format it |
| 20:15:40 | bluebrother | (if by "here" you mean pasting in the channel) |
| 20:15:42 | Tyronemaskell | Sniper_Spike dude pls help me im sure you know how |
| 20:15:52 | _Amblin | Its always possible, but this is an unsupported mod. |
| 20:15:56 | _Amblin | You could always try it |
| 20:16:23 | _Amblin | Have you tested it on another computer? |
| 20:16:48 | Tyronemaskell | pls check my paste bin Sniper_Spike |
| 20:16:56 | HDog | yeah, on win98 laptop and on the Mac, Mac also thinks it's 2TB HD |
| 20:17:10 | Tyronemaskell | lol |
| 20:17:14 | Tyronemaskell | thats cool |
| 20:17:24 | HDog | heh, I wish it were 2TB man |
| 20:17:38 | Tyronemaskell | lol |
| 20:17:54 | _Amblin | Well there is no doubt in my mind that its a simple software issue. |
| 20:18:00 | Tyronemaskell | Sniper_Spike pls check my pastebin dude |
| 20:18:04 | Sniper_Spike | how |
| 20:18:20 | Tyronemaskell | i have no idea |
| 20:18:27 | Tyronemaskell | i pasted some stuff there |
| 20:18:28 | amiconn | Tyronemaskell: Difficult to do w/o giving the link... |
| 20:18:33 | HDog | Amblin: what would be the next step to do? btw the old 20gb HD detects/formats just fine |
| 20:18:34 | _Amblin | Never heard of a defective hard drive throwing out a wrong figure as its storage capacity. |
| 20:18:35 | bluebrother | Tyronemaskell: a pastebin works in an easy way: you post your code to the pastebin. You'll get a link. You post the link in the channel |
| 20:18:39 | Tyronemaskell | lol |
| 20:18:55 | HDog | ah I see, I hope it's software! |
| 20:19:02 | Tyronemaskell | ok im waiting for it |
| 20:19:08 | _Amblin | Hm. |
| 20:19:13 | HDog | I'd really love to have RoxBox on it by this evening so I could show off at the gym :o) |
| 20:19:23 | _Amblin | You followed a guide on doing this mod? |
| 20:19:44 | HDog | well there're couple of guides on mysticriver that I've read |
| 20:19:53 | Sniper_Spike | that pastebin seems a bit laggy |
| 20:19:55 | Sniper_Spike | http://pastebin.ca/ |
| 20:19:58 | Sniper_Spike | try that |
| 20:20:28 | _Amblin | Perhaps you should try contacting a few of these people. Obviously if they pulled off this mod they should have extensive knowledge on the player, and they should be able to tell you what to do. |
| 20:21:08 | Tyronemaskell | http://pastebin.com/898389 |
| 20:21:14 | Tyronemaskell | thats it |
| 20:21:15 | _Amblin | Chances are one of them encountered an issue like this while doing this mod. |
| 20:21:16 | HDog | most of those posts are from 2005 though, they're proably all got iPods by now :/ |
| 20:21:31 | _Amblin | Hm. |
| 20:21:41 | _Amblin | Any of them still active? |
| 20:21:56 | HDog | I was searching the forum though, and didn't find anyone with similar problem |
| 20:22:07 | HDog | yeah some are |
| 20:22:40 | dan_a | amiconn: I'd been comparing the wrong things - it's about 100bytes difference |
| 20:23:13 | HDog | wanted to get it working today though.. too bad nobody here upgraded :/ |
| 20:23:18 | _Amblin | And you followed their guides verbatim? |
| 20:24:00 | HDog | well the actual installation and running of HD guides are really straight forawrd... put in the HD, format. |
| 20:24:11 | Sniper_Spike | Tyronemaskell: I think it would help all of us help you if you told us what you wanted changed with the wps |
| 20:25:12 | _Amblin | SO its really just supposed to be a plug and play kind of a thing |
| 20:25:15 | Tyronemaskell | currently im seeing artist album and title i wanna see folder name too |
| 20:25:19 | Tyronemaskell | currently im seeing artist album and title i wanna see folder name too |
| 20:26:14 | _Amblin | Is there any way to find out what capacity the player thinks it has? |
| 20:26:19 | HDog | pretty much, but, it's a little bit tricky because u have to format it Fat32, and the HD is 60gb (larger than 32gig max that winXP can format) |
| 20:27:09 | _Amblin | The player comes up as an MSC device? |
| 20:27:42 | Tyronemaskell | %ac~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Next ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 20:27:43 | Tyronemaskell | %s%al%?Ia<%Ia|Unknown Artist |%D1 >%arArtist |
| 20:27:43 | Tyronemaskell | %s%al%?Id<%Id|Unknown Album |%D2 >%arAlbum |
| 20:27:43 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Tyronemaskell |
| 20:27:43 | Tyronemaskell | %s%al%?It<%It|Unknown Title |%Fm >%arTitle |
| 20:27:43 | Tyronemaskell | %ac~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 20:27:59 | Tyronemaskell | i wanna see folder name too how do i do that |
| 20:28:12 | HDog | nope, when I plug it into iRiver it doesn't know how much space there is |
| 20:28:23 | HDog | MSC? where |
| 20:28:35 | HDog | oh, u mean like an external HD? |
| 20:28:39 | _Amblin | yes |
| 20:28:47 | _Amblin | Like a thumbdrive or something |
| 20:28:48 | Sniper_Spike | ok tyrone |
| 20:29:01 | Sniper_Spike | where do you want to see the folder name |
| 20:29:06 | HDog | yeah there're 2 ports I "data" and "Media", I always use Data |
| 20:29:17 | Tyronemaskell | above artist |
| 20:29:27 | HDog | thik maybe I should try Media port? |
| 20:29:32 | amiconn | 12 hours playing and the battery symbol is still showing "full" :-) |
| 20:30:00 | amiconn | I know the calibration is wrong, but still.... |
| 20:30:21 | _Amblin | Yeah, give it a shot |
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| 20:30:51 | Tyronemaskell | any idea Sniper_Spike |
| 20:31:09 | HDog | nope, didn't work |
| 20:31:38 | Apple-San | Is anyone who can give me write permission for the wiki online? >.> |
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| 20:31:48 | Sniper_Spike | how much of the folder do you want Tyronemaskell? |
| 20:31:53 | HDog | I plugged it back into Data, it starts up, and PqMagic says 2,097,149.2MB unalocated |
| 20:31:55 | Aikon | Hi |
| 20:32:04 | _Amblin | Ok, what I am thinking is that you could use a 3rd party disk mangement software, since XP doesnt support sizes bigger than 32GB |
| 20:32:12 | Sniper_Spike | the whole file path? |
| 20:32:23 | Tyronemaskell | just the folders name |
| 20:32:42 | Tyronemaskell | like black eyed peas |
| 20:32:54 | Sniper_Spike | so artist folder? |
| 20:32:56 | Tyronemaskell | if thats whats next |
| 20:33:01 | Sniper_Spike | or album folder? |
| 20:33:14 | Sniper_Spike | and only for what's next? |
| 20:33:24 | Tyronemaskell | the name of the folder in the root |
| 20:33:33 | _Amblin | Have you made a post on mysticriver, detailing the issues you have encountered? |
| 20:33:42 | Sniper_Spike | alright |
| 20:33:59 | HDog | Amblin: well I tried using Partition Magic, SwissKnife, and HD Low Level Format Tool |
| 20:34:10 | HDog | nope not yet |
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| 20:34:25 | HDog | figured I'd give it a shot here first, maybe some one helps out |
| 20:34:40 | _Amblin | Those 3 eh, well then my idea is toast. |
| 20:35:02 | HDog | toast? |
| 20:35:30 | Aikon | toast = burned, not working |
| 20:35:33 | _Amblin | No longer valid, seeing as you have already tried the method I was going to suggest. |
| 20:35:36 | HDog | oh |
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| 20:36:18 | Aikon | Anyone up for my rather unusual prob? |
| 20:36:25 | HDog | I got an ipod too, somewhere, do u think I should try that? |
| 20:36:46 | Aikon | I got no windows... So I can't patch the boot loader of my iriver.... |
| 20:36:50 | _Amblin | Formatting your ipod? |
| 20:37:10 | HDog | put the drive into the iPod and try to format it via windows |
| 20:37:16 | Tyronemaskell | yeah that would be awesome |
| 20:37:32 | _Amblin | Hm. |
| 20:37:49 | _Amblin | Possible it'd work.. |
| 20:38:31 | HDog | problem is, this website doesn't even have phone tech support, so returning will be tricky.. I'd need to be sure it's bad |
| 20:38:41 | HDog | wish I had another one handy |
| 20:39:23 | _Amblin | The drive itself is most likely in find working order, its probably more an issue of incompatibility |
| 20:39:35 | _Amblin | ...*fine* working... |
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| 20:40:10 | Sniper_Spike | Tyronemaskell: looking at the wiki, I'm confused |
| 20:40:32 | HDog | but if it doesn't work in iPod nor iRiver, what the heck is it compatible with :( |
| 20:40:41 | Tyronemaskell | lol |
| 20:40:48 | Sniper_Spike | it says that "%d1" should represent the fist directory from end of file path |
| 20:40:48 | Tyronemaskell | why you confused |
| 20:40:59 | Sniper_Spike | "Example for the the %dN commands: If the path is "/Rock/Kent/Isola/11 - 747.mp3", %d1 is "Isola", %d2 is "Kent"... You get the picture." |
| 20:41:00 | _Amblin | hm |
| 20:41:05 | Sniper_Spike | but it's the opposite in that wps you sent me |
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| 20:41:18 | _Amblin | Well once the drive is formatted...you shouldnt have any more issues.. |
| 20:41:37 | Sniper_Spike | in your wps, %d1 is used for artist |
| 20:41:43 | HDog | yeah, wish I could format it though hehe |
| 20:41:43 | Sniper_Spike | when it should be album |
| 20:41:53 | Sniper_Spike | :S |
| 20:41:55 | _Amblin | Id recommend you post at mystic, explain the problem and your idea involving the ipod |
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| 20:42:21 | Sniper_Spike | is there anybody more experianced with WPS that can help Tyrone here? |
| 20:42:44 | HDog | yup, guess I'll have to do that |
| 20:43:06 | HDog | I'll open up the ipod meanwhile anyway.. lets see what happens |
| 20:43:17 | _Amblin | Best of luck to you. :) |
| 20:43:35 | Tyronemaskell | Sniper_Spike bro thanx for all your help |
| 20:43:43 | HDog | thanks, I'll need it |
| 20:43:47 | Tyronemaskell | i will try see what i can do |
| 20:43:58 | Lear | Gah, that quote, from several years ago, still lives on. :) |
| 20:43:58 | Sniper_Spike | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
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| 20:45:29 | HDog | ipod is opened, sticking the HD in :) |
| 20:45:47 | Lear | amiconn: faad (the sbr bits) don't build with using gcc 4.1.x (.1 and .2 tested)... |
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| 20:46:43 | HDog | ipod doesn't have a built-in format option does it? |
| 20:46:59 | amiconn | Lear: What target? |
| 20:47:07 | amiconn | (architecture) |
| 20:47:08 | Lear | m68k |
| 20:47:22 | amiconn | Then you already had more luck than me |
| 20:47:25 | Lear | Get a "error: could not find a spill register" |
| 20:47:42 | Lear | Had to patch system-confire.c though. |
| 20:47:44 | amiconn | I couldn't get 4.1.x for m68k to work at all |
| 20:48:04 | amiconn | That was using binutils 2.17 though, maybe it works with 2.16.1 |
| 20:48:07 | Lear | I've tested binaries before, after disabling SBR, and it worked. |
| 20:48:09 | preglow | you need to disable libssp or soemthing for 4.1.x to build, i think |
| 20:48:16 | Lear | Using 2.16.1 here. |
| 20:48:23 | Lear | preglow: That too, yes. |
| 20:48:42 | amiconn | preglow: The compiler built fine, the -mXXXX passing to gas was the problem |
| 20:49:51 | amiconn | Looks like gcc's mode of operation also depends on binutils version... |
| 20:50:02 | HDog | ohh.. but I thik Ipod has an internal testing utility that checks the HD |
| 20:50:18 | preglow | the entire -m handling will change in 4.3 |
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| 20:53:10 | HDog | via iPod, windows detects this drive as 18.63GB dammit |
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| 20:53:43 | _Amblin | format it |
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| 20:53:59 | HDog | ok |
| 20:54:03 | merwin | What was the USB stuff that you need to build e200tool? includes usb.h |
| 20:54:21 | merwin | libusb? |
| 20:54:27 | linuxstb | merwin: Yes. |
| 20:54:32 | merwin | k |
| 20:54:59 | HDog | "The format did not complete succesfully" |
| 20:55:42 | _Amblin | bah |
| 20:56:07 | HDog | was using Disk Management proggy (comes with XP) |
| 20:57:06 | _Amblin | ill brb |
| 20:57:15 | HDog | k |
| 20:57:26 | HDog | thanks for trying to help btw! |
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| 20:59:15 | merwin | hmm... I'm getting "Undefined reference to `usb_bulk_write' now |
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| 20:59:26 | merwin | trying to build e200tool under cygwin |
| 20:59:37 | merwin | installed libusb-win32 |
| 20:59:58 | _Amblin | No problem HDog, good luck. |
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| 21:02:06 | donvito | hey merwin |
| 21:02:14 | merwin | hey |
| 21:02:25 | donvito | are you trying to do the bl swap |
| 21:02:38 | merwin | i have been... rhapsody to e200 |
| 21:02:54 | donvito | cool, have you made any progress |
| 21:02:58 | merwin | nope |
| 21:03:00 | merwin | :P |
| 21:03:03 | donvito | haha |
| 21:03:14 | donvito | yea i need to install linux again so i can build e200tool |
| 21:03:23 | donvito | because i need to do the same thing |
| 21:04:50 | merwin | doubt it'll work |
| 21:04:58 | merwin | but good luck :) |
| 21:05:24 | donvito | yea, without modifying it, but i think with some modification to the e200 bl, the rhapsody will accept it |
| 21:05:40 | merwin | you're going to try to modify it? |
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| 21:07:59 | donvito | no |
| 21:08:00 | donvito | lol |
| 21:08:03 | donvito | ill let bagder do that |
| 21:08:10 | donvito | or mrh/ kptkill |
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| 21:13:52 | merwin | heh |
| 21:14:02 | merwin | donvito: are you the one that converted the e200 to e200r and can't go back? |
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| 21:15:49 | donvito | no |
| 21:15:55 | donvito | i have an e260r |
| 21:20:53 | merwin | k |
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| 21:29:47 | _Amblin | heh |
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| 21:44:01 | merwin | donvito: I got windows so it finds the usb device (e200tool), but says invalid argument when trying to claim the interface |
| 21:44:06 | merwin | i'm going to try a reboot |
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| 21:52:06 | jac0b | I am trying to install a theme where is the fonts folder |
| 21:53:19 | linuxstb | Any Sansa people around who know which key(s) are used to decrypt the original firmware for the E200? I can see "sansa" and "sansa_gh" - are they both possible? |
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| 21:54:16 | netmasta10bt | gonna have to resolder the audio jack on my e260 again tonight :-/ −− anyone else have that prob? |
| 21:55:53 | donvito | linuxstb: if im not mistaken gh stands for german/hebrew |
| 21:56:04 | donvito | so use the other one if its eng fw |
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| 21:58:43 | linuxstb | donvito: OK, so my install tool will need to check both keys... |
| 21:59:31 | Aikon | Anyone there that can help me patching the H300 iriver bootloader please? |
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| 22:00:17 | Aikon | Prob: Only running linux here, and the patch software doesn't work with wine. |
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| 22:00:30 | donvito | linuxstb: cool |
| 22:00:38 | donvito | linuxstb: i think what youre doing is sweet btw |
| 22:00:43 | donvito | linuxstb: what are you coding it in |
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| 22:01:24 | donvito | brb |
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| 22:08:14 | linuxstb | donvito: C |
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| 22:08:38 | donvito | sweet |
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| 22:09:50 | DPic | The manual instructs me to enter the following commands into the terminal after downloading ipodcatcher: |
| 22:09:50 | DPic |   cd $HOME |
| 22:09:50 | DPic |   chmod +x ipodpatcher |
| 22:09:50 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK DPic |
| 22:09:50 | DPic | Â Â ./ipodpatcher |
| 22:10:13 | DPic | but when i enter chmod +x ipodpatcher it says that the file or directory doesn't exist |
| 22:10:24 | linuxstb | Where did you download ipodpatcher to? |
| 22:10:32 | DPic | my desktop |
| 22:10:36 | linuxstb | The manual says to save it into your home directory. |
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| 22:10:53 | DPic | okay let me try that |
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| 22:20:50 | donvito | hey bagder |
| 22:20:55 | DPic | can i remove the apple firmware from my ipod and just have rockbox? |
| 22:20:56 | Bagder | good evening |
| 22:22:22 | donvito | so i read that post about succesfully converting an e200 to an e200r |
| 22:23:02 | Bagder | yups, seems to work just fine |
| 22:23:38 | donvito | thats really cool, was it just a straight up bl and fw swap? |
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| 22:24:04 | Bagder | yeah, from e200 => e200R you can use the ordinary sansa "upgrade" method |
| 22:24:13 | Bagder | going back you need to e200tool it |
| 22:24:30 | DPic | i think my connection just cut off for a minute−− can i remove the apple firmware from my ipod and just have rockbox? |
| 22:25:10 | LinusN | DPic: yes you can |
| 22:25:16 | DPic | How? |
| 22:25:44 | LinusN | you can install rockbox.ipod in the bootloader partition |
| 22:25:51 | donvito | awesome |
| 22:26:02 | LinusN | but i don't know if the current ipodpatcher can do that anymore |
| 22:26:05 | donvito | any ideas how this might be possible in reverse? |
| 22:26:18 | LinusN | donvito: ??? |
| 22:26:29 | DPic | how can i try it? |
| 22:26:36 | donvito | LinusN: sorry i was talking with bagder |
| 22:28:04 | linuxstb | DPic: Type "./ipodpatcher -wf /path/to/rockbox.ipod" |
| 22:28:15 | LinusN | there you go |
| 22:28:42 | linuxstb | But if you do that, you'll need to do it every time you upgrade Rockbox. A better option might be to use the "-wf" option with the bootloader - you can download it from http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ |
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| 22:30:35 | amiconn | Bagder: Does "going back" also mean that this method will work for a real R model? |
| 22:32:58 | | Quit Bagder (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 22:33:47 | DPic | okay so what do i type with the bootloader? |
| 22:33:59 | DPic | i'm new to linux :\ |
| 22:35:32 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 1 hour and 42 minutes at the last flood |
| 22:35:32 | * | mattzz wonders about mixing CONTEXT_STD and CONTEXT_SETTINGS in debug_menu.c.... |
| 22:36:04 | * | mattzz is stuck in some of the debug menu items with his sansa. |
| 22:36:38 | Llorean | DPic: You type the line linuxstb told you to type a few minutes ago, and a couple lines upward. |
| 22:37:21 | DPic | do i replace rockbox.ipod with bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod or what? |
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| 22:38:37 | linuxstb | DPic: Exactly that. |
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| 22:42:11 | DPic | [ERR] Couldn't open input file /path/to/bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod |
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| 22:44:37 | donvito | hey merwin any luck? |
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| 22:45:43 | LinusN | DPic: the "/path/to" is not to be taken verbatim, you are supposed to use the path to where the file is on your system |
| 22:46:27 | DPic | this is what i entered ./ipodpatcher -wf /path/to/bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod |
| 22:46:36 | DPic | oh |
| 22:46:51 | DPic | so i change the /path/to/ |
| 22:47:06 | DPic | to the location on my ipod or on my computer? |
| 22:47:06 | LinusN | DPic: i bet 10 bucks that you don't have a directory called /path/to on your system :-) |
| 22:47:28 | LinusN | DPic: no, to the location of the file called "bootloader-ipodvideo.ipod" |
| 22:47:46 | DPic | should the file be on my computer or my ipod? |
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| 22:47:52 | donvito | merwin: hey any luck/ |
| 22:47:54 | donvito | merwin: ?* |
| 22:48:05 | jac0b | has the usb been looked at on the sansa |
| 22:48:22 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:48:32 | LinusN | DPic: you should know, you have downloaded the file, haven't you? |
| 22:48:41 | Bagder | jac0b: we have a good idea on how to poke on it |
| 22:48:43 | jac0b | with current-version windows says it failed to install the proper drivers for it |
| 22:49:01 | Bagder | jac0b: rockbox has no usb support on the sansa |
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| 22:49:06 | DPic | okay i did it |
| 22:49:29 | DPic | now what do i do to get rid of everything else? |
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| 22:49:45 | jac0b | oh so windows just see it and doesn't know what to do with it |
| 22:51:00 | jac0b | if usb was working then you could just run rockbox by itself right? |
| 22:51:52 | Llorean | If USB were working, there'd be no longer a necessity for dual boot on Sansa, I suppose. |
| 22:52:57 | Bagder | correct |
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| 22:53:46 | Bagder | but writing a usb mass-storage driver isn't just a coffee break hack |
| 22:54:36 | Soap2 | it might take all lunch? ;) |
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| 22:55:10 | Bagder | :-) |
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| 22:58:14 | _Amblin | wow |
| 22:58:30 | _Amblin | All these talking adds are getting really annoying. |
| 22:58:38 | preglow | Bagder: why oh why did you write rockboxdev.sh in shell script :> |
| 22:58:50 | Bagder | I have a damaged brain |
| 22:59:07 | preglow | Bagder: would it be hard to hack support for using several patches in? |
| 22:59:08 | Soap2 | as opposed to a .vbs or a .pl? |
| 22:59:22 | preglow | Soap2: perl would be my choice, i guess |
| 22:59:28 | Bagder | preglow: not really, no |
| 22:59:28 | preglow | vbs only works on windows, after all |
| 22:59:50 | Soap2 | that part was supposed to be a joke. :( |
| 22:59:52 | preglow | Bagder: ok, i was having a look to fix the amd64 problem, but my shell coding skills are really poor |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:13 | Bagder | preglow: I've actually considered putting the patches in a subdirectory instead of downloading them too |
| 23:00:15 | preglow | Soap2: i suck too much to understand such subtleties |
| 23:00:23 | preglow | Bagder: i think that's kind of good |
| 23:00:31 | preglow | Bagder: the tool is in svn, after all |
| 23:00:46 | Bagder | then we could just loop over all patches in a given directory or similar |
| 23:00:47 | preglow | Bagder: yeah, definitely, i'd say do that |
| 23:01:19 | preglow | no chance of anyone altering the patches to install trojans or such either |
| 23:01:27 | Bagder | exactly |
| 23:02:07 | preglow | Bagder: in a related note, can every wiki user add/delete other users? |
| 23:02:11 | Bagder | "They (Rhapsody) have removed the ability to upgrade the BL (or the i2c bootrom) using the recovery mode" |
| 23:02:32 | Bagder | preglow: uhm, I don't know |
| 23:02:46 | preglow | Bagder: afaik, adding write privs for a user is just editing a page |
| 23:02:58 | preglow | Bagder: in which case i guess revoking write privs is just deleting some text |
| 23:03:28 | preglow | and if all this is true, it's just a matter of time before someone comes along and revokes everyone's write privs... |
| 23:03:48 | preglow | it's not like we do extensive background checks on people before we let them have write privs |
| 23:04:32 | Llorean | Well it's not like that can really be limited much further anyway. |
| 23:04:57 | Llorean | Unless you create a list of people who get to add/remove from the write privileges list, and then wiki editing depends on a select few passing out permissions. |
| 23:05:25 | Llorean | The public wiki-ness of our wiki is already slightly crippled by the extra step to get write access as it is. |
| 23:05:28 | preglow | Llorean: which should be a fairly quick deal, give it to any regular in the irc channel we know we can trust |
| 23:05:59 | Llorean | I suppose it's mostly just the regulars who hand out wiki write access anyway. |
| 23:06:08 | merwin | donvito: no luck... i have no clue how to build e200tool under cygwin :) |
| 23:06:12 | Llorean | But what's different from someone removing all write access, compared to someone removing say... any other page? |
| 23:06:26 | preglow | Llorean: it's fixable without having to wait ages? |
| 23:06:28 | Bagder | merwin: I don't think anyone has been able to use it under cygwin anyway |
| 23:06:56 | merwin | Bagder: I got it to recognize the device, but it says could not get access to it, error 22 invalid parameter |
| 23:07:05 | preglow | Llorean: imagine someone coming in on a weekend, revoking all write privs to everyone but themselves, and then planting malicious code in the downloadables |
| 23:07:06 | Llorean | preglow: Another solution would to be simply to have a second, uneditable 'write access' page so that more people will permanently be able to revert the user group page if it's damaged. |
| 23:07:12 | preglow | Llorean: it might be days until someone with server access came along |
| 23:07:26 | Bagder | merwin: use linux, in a vmware image or with a live CD distro or similar. far easier and known to work fine |
| 23:07:32 | Llorean | Instead of requiring a regular to hand out write access, make sure some of us have unrevocable write access. |
| 23:08:02 | merwin | Bagder: Yeah, but it's a pain to copy files back and forth... the vmware image i got doesn't have shared drives |
| 23:08:21 | Bagder | merwin: so don't, have them all in the linux side |
| 23:08:22 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 23:08:50 | * | Bagder got a "BL_SD_boardSupportSD.cracked" |
| 23:09:03 | merwin | Bagder: what does the cracked one do? |
| 23:09:22 | Bagder | it is the e200R BL, patched to load dummy-signed mi4 files |
| 23:09:39 | preglow | Llorean: also good |
| 23:09:39 | merwin | Bagder: Sweet... how do you install it? |
| 23:09:47 | Bagder | merwin: using e200tool |
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| 23:09:53 | Bagder | and 22 fingers crossed |
| 23:09:55 | preglow | Llorean: whatever would prevent the scenario i mentioned to happen would be just cool by me |
| 23:10:00 | merwin | Bagder: e200tool recover? |
| 23:10:06 | Bagder | yeah |
| 23:10:16 | merwin | Bagder: will it also load e200 mi4 files? |
| 23:10:22 | Llorean | preglow: I pretty much agree, honestly. I just like to think of alternative solutions. :) |
| 23:11:25 | Bagder | merwin: only if you dummy-sign it and make sure it has the R model magic built-in |
| 23:11:43 | Bagder | the important thing to me is that it would load rockbox |
| 23:12:37 | merwin | Bagder: So, if you put the rockbox firmware on it, would the OF.bin be able to be e200 firmware? or does it have to be R firmware? |
| 23:12:39 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 23:13:08 | Bagder | currently we haven't been able to run the R firmware from our bootloader |
| 23:13:18 | peppo | any 5.5g devs around? |
| 23:13:23 | Bagder | so it would need to be the vanilla e200 one |
| 23:13:24 | peppo | (ipod) |
| 23:13:29 | LinusN | peppo: i'm here |
| 23:13:45 | peppo | LinusN, is there any working code to test for curious folk? |
| 23:13:52 | LinusN | peppo: not really |
| 23:13:55 | merwin | Bagder: Neato... where can i get this patched one? |
| 23:14:08 | Bagder | merwin: I should warn you that we don't know that putting that cracked one or the e200 BL one will not destroy your sansa |
| 23:14:26 | merwin | yeah |
| 23:14:32 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200/BL_SD_boardSupportSD.cracked |
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| 23:14:55 | bluebrother | "cracked" sounds ... evil |
| 23:15:00 | | Part peppo ("part") |
| 23:15:18 | merwin | Bagder: But if you can go e200 to e200r successfully, chances are good that going the other way would work |
| 23:15:29 | Bagder | maybe I should call it "modified" isntead |
| 23:15:38 | Bagder | merwin: I agree |
| 23:15:43 | preglow | slightly less illegal sounding |
| 23:15:44 | preglow | heh |
| 23:16:06 | bluebrother | who modified it? MrH? |
| 23:16:11 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:16:17 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200/BL_SD_boardSupportSD.btl-modified |
| 23:18:01 | Bagder | e45ce87e107e295207bddda589be65aa |
| 23:18:14 | merwin | Bagder: i was playing around with the code, and i think the problem i'm running into with the lines on the top of the screen are due to the display init.... if i comment that out so it doesn't init the display, and then boot to OF.bin, no lines... if i put it back in and boot to OF.bin, lines on top |
| 23:18:19 | merwin | Bagder: what's that hex? |
| 23:18:26 | Bagder | md5sum of that file |
| 23:18:39 | Bagder | kind of neat if it is complete if you try this ;-) |
| 23:19:19 | merwin | i like to live dangerously |
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| 23:21:51 | Bagder | bluebrother: I read the sansa install section in the manual and a little nit struck me |
| 23:22:17 | Bagder | it is the same as in the ipod nano: the reference to "hard disk" is really... somewhat odd-looking to me |
| 23:22:39 | bluebrother | ah, right ;-) |
| 23:23:04 | bluebrother | so better call it flash disk there ... |
| 23:23:07 | Bagder | i guess we can see and call it a "disk" as it appears like that, but not a hard disk |
| 23:23:59 | petur | those flash chips sure look hard to me |
| 23:24:11 | * | Bagder smacks petur |
| 23:24:18 | bluebrother | save the file to your hard chips? |
| 23:24:24 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 23:24:24 | * | petur feels he deserved it |
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| 23:30:43 | bluebrother | Bagder: change committed |
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| 23:36:40 | bluebrother | oh, I found something today ... I flashed my iriver, and updated the build on disk. As the plugin API version changed I can't show the version number anymore |
| 23:37:06 | bluebrother | is there a reason why the logo isn't called before the plugin itself? |
| 23:37:23 | Bagder | I don't think so |
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| 23:39:41 | bluebrother | ok. Maybe I'll find some time to create a patch ... someone gimme some tiiiime! |
| 23:40:02 | Bagder | ok, you get... 4 hours from me, starting.... now! |
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| 23:40:34 | bluebrother | damn. I'm quite tired now :o |
| 23:46:12 | merwin | linux definitely isn't "user friendly" :) On the bright side, i got samba working, so i can transfer files back and forth |
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| 23:48:16 | pixelma | is there a way to revert to a certain revision while keeping local changes? |
| 23:49:34 | merwin | Bagder: OK, i did the recover with the patched bootloader, and held down REC, now i just copy the rockbox firmware? |
| 23:49:52 | bluebrother | pixelma: you could svn diff > changes and then reapply after going back to current svn |
| 23:50:12 | Bagder | merwin: disconnect first and see if things still work as expected |
| 23:50:12 | bluebrother | or try if svn keeps changes ;-) |
| 23:50:37 | Bagder | pixelma: 'svn up -r[num]' |
| 23:50:51 | merwin | Bagder: AHHH!!! It immediately shuts off! And it displays a mysterious message “Keypad locked” |
| 23:50:53 | merwin | :) |
| 23:51:04 | bluebrother | Bagder: does that keep local changes? |
| 23:51:14 | Bagder | svn update keeps local changes even when you use -r, yes |
| 23:51:22 | merwin | Bagder: Yeah, it boots the R firmware fine still |
| 23:51:35 | Bagder | merwin: nice! |
| 23:51:41 | pixelma | Bagder: thanks! ...but will diff anyways (as backup) :) |
| 23:51:48 | merwin | Bagder: the R firmware is so much nicer... anti-aliasing and all |
| 23:51:54 | Bagder | pixelma: a good idea |
| 23:52:09 | * | Llorean can't imagine WANTING to use the Sansa firmware. |
| 23:52:37 | Bagder | merwin: you could also just test to dummy-sign the OF mi4 file and upgrade to that, as a test |
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| 23:52:59 | andrew867 | hello |
| 23:53:06 | merwin | Bagder: I’m not sure how to do that |
| 23:53:20 | bluebrother | cool |
| 23:53:25 | Bagder | you mean dummy-sign? |
| 23:53:31 | merwin | yeah.. |
| 23:53:52 | Bagder | "mi4code sign original.mi4 newone.mi4 dummy" |
| 23:53:59 | merwin | oh, easy |
| 23:54:08 | merwin | dummy sign an e200 firmware? |
| 23:54:24 | Bagder | no, the e200R one |
| 23:54:25 | andrew867 | looking at lines: pp_i2c_send(AS3514_I2C_ADDR, DAC_L, 0x60); and pp_i2c_send(AS3514_I2C_ADDR, DAC_R, 0x10); what do each of the DAC_L and DAC_R do exactly? |
| 23:54:46 | Bagder | merwin: there's more than so required in order to boot the vanilla e200 one |
| 23:55:19 | Bagder | merwin: but of course you can try to e200tool recover the vanilla e200 BL and then run the plain e200 mi4 |
| 23:55:39 | Bagder | now when all limits have been crossed already ;-) |
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| 23:55:50 | andrew867 | oh and btw i'm pretty sure the LV24020LP chip in the e200 is connected to either a couple of the GPIOs or the I2C bus |
| 23:56:11 | andrew867 | i'm trying to find more infor about the "3-wire bus" it uses |
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| 23:57:27 | merwin | Bagder: So to test the dummy, i just boot into the recovery mode (hold down REC) and copy it over? |
| 23:57:36 | andrew867 | http://www.semiconductor-sanyo.com/ds_e/ENA0070A.pdf is another datasheet |
| 23:57:49 | Bagder | merwin: you can even use the normal usb mode, but otherwise yes |
| 23:57:55 | merwin | ok, i’ll use normal usb mode |
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