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| 00:01:07 | petur | a file from svn has keybords Author Date Id Revison here |
| 00:01:15 | petur | keywords too |
| 00:01:46 | linuxstb | I've found it in the logs (thanks to amiconn) - svn propset svn:keywords "Author Date Id Revision" followed by a commit |
| 00:04:35 | JdGordon | did amiconn's m5l eventually die? |
| 00:04:52 | linuxstb | I think he said about 51 hours... |
| 00:05:00 | JdGordon | wow! |
| 00:05:05 | preglow | hole shit |
| 00:05:08 | linuxstb | It should be in the logs |
| 00:05:15 | preglow | that's quite insane |
| 00:05:29 | linuxstb | Indeed. It's about the same as all my DAPs combined... |
| 00:06:18 | JdGordon | 19:48:42amiconnM5L runtime test result: 51:57 ! |
| 00:06:30 | * | linuxstb wonders what H140+ipodcolor+ipodvideo+Recv1+gigabeat will give |
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| 00:07:09 | preglow | i won't put any bets on my h120 + nano combo |
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| 00:16:03 | saratoga | i see toni updated the sansa emulator |
| 00:16:08 | saratoga | anyone played with it? |
| 00:16:22 | saratoga | i'm curious if it can decode files properly in rockbox |
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| 00:16:45 | saratoga | or if it still fills up the pcm buffer and then stalls |
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| 00:27:36 | * | linuxstb waits for barrywardell to test sansapatcher with his bootloader... |
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| 00:28:30 | barrywardell | almost ready... |
| 00:28:41 | preglow | linuxstb: will sansapatcher be easier or harder than ipodpatcher? |
| 00:28:47 | linuxstb | Identical. |
| 00:29:23 | linuxstb | Although it requires current Sansa users to restore the original firmware (i.e. remove the Rockbox bootloader) first. |
| 00:30:17 | preglow | not much of a problem |
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| 00:31:47 | JavaMan22 | i finally compiled it :D |
| 00:31:58 | JavaMan22 | but now i dont see my test.rock anywhere >:o |
| 00:32:13 | JavaMan22 | i put test.c in apps/plugins |
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| 00:32:53 | JdGordon | linuxstb: you going to merge them into pppatcher? |
| 00:33:53 | linuxstb | No, they're quite different inside. |
| 00:34:03 | JdGordon | oh well :p |
| 00:34:30 | linuxstb | Although Domonoky should be able to incorporate sansapatcher into rbutil quite easily. |
| 00:34:39 | preglow | JavaMan22: have you updated plugins/SOURCES ? |
| 00:35:39 | JavaMan22 | haha |
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| 00:36:20 | JavaMan22 | oh wait |
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| 00:36:33 | JavaMan22 | thanks a ton |
| 00:36:37 | JavaMan22 | you too linuxstb |
| 00:37:19 | preglow | i'll take that as a no |
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| 00:40:21 | JavaMan22 | jeezus i better get used to this no new line at the end of file error |
| 00:43:23 | andrewg867 | hey, can someone help me with this? I'm trying to figure out how do write to a register on the LV24020LP, I think I have figured out all the read/write bit code but I can't seem to find where in this datasheet (http://www.semiconductor-sanyo.com/ds_e/ENA0070.pdf) it tells me what bits to put on the line to specify the register and what data to put in it |
| 00:45:01 | _Amblin | Does anyone know if the voice for the e200 works yet? |
| 00:45:18 | linuxstb | Yes, it should do. |
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| 01:00:34 | Nico_P | http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/call_graph.png |
| 01:00:46 | Nico_P | am I right to think this is a complete mess ? |
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| 01:01:39 | nls | Nico_P: which tool did you use to make that graph? |
| 01:02:00 | Nico_P | nls: it's a feature of KScope |
| 01:02:08 | nls | aha |
| 01:02:08 | Nico_P | which uses Cscope |
| 01:02:33 | andrewg867 | would my tuner_read_bit() work? http://aliant.ath.cx/~andrew/sansa/lv24020lp.c |
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| 01:05:28 | Dwyloc | Can I ask how I go about trying to get my changes adding Audio playback control to the Solitaire plugin committed ? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6790 |
| 01:05:43 | Dwyloc | Its only a very small 3 or 4 line change put as a solitaire addict I find it very useful to be able to still control my music playback on my dap without exiting my current game. |
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| 01:07:02 | midkay | (i'd be glad to commit it if nobody else speaks up) |
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| 01:07:57 | andrewg867 | so no one has any comments on my code? :P |
| 01:08:26 | midkay | andrewg867: not sure if anyone around is able to.. what are you asking? why don't you try it and check? :) |
| 01:08:37 | Dwyloc | Thanks that would be really appreciated. |
| 01:09:45 | andrewg867 | midkay: it's somewhat of a general C question, did i create the tuner_read_bit function correctly to return the bit? |
| 01:10:26 | andrewg867 | and I really have no clue on what the 'static inline' part does either ;) |
| 01:10:48 | andrewg867 | i'm just learning as I go and borrowing code from other parts of Rockbox |
| 01:10:53 | midkay | andrewg867: static inline void? not sure how inline stuff works.. but you need to have the function an int to return an int (like static inline int read_tuner_bit).. |
| 01:11:24 | andrewg867 | also 'bit = GPIOH_INPUT_VAL;' would work? |
| 01:11:36 | midkay | not sure how that will work out though. you're dealing more with the core parts of rockbox that i know very little about.. sorry. might try the static inline int thing, else i can't help much. |
| 01:11:37 | andrewg867 | I would have to define bit as an int then right? |
| 01:12:10 | midkay | well, is GPIOH_INPUT_VAL an int or number? then it should be int bit. |
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| 01:12:20 | andrewg867 | thanks for your help anyway :) |
| 01:12:30 | andrewg867 | i'm not sure what it is exactly... |
| 01:12:45 | andrewg867 | i'll try it like it is now |
| 01:13:11 | andrewg867 | you wouldn't happen to know how to create a new debug menu would you? |
| 01:13:50 | midkay | andrewg867: well you'll probably get an error or warning.. you can't have a void function return an int. |
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| 01:14:12 | andrewg867 | I think I have fixed that anyway |
| 01:14:17 | midkay | and you mean add an entry? you'll have to check out apps/debug_menu.c (i think) and find where to add it there. |
| 01:14:29 | andrewg867 | yeah, and thanks |
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| 01:14:47 | midkay | sure thing. |
| 01:14:50 | Domonoky | linuxstb: i have some problems with sansapatcher, and including it in rbutil, there are problems with things with the same name in ipodpatcher and sansapatcher |
| 01:15:00 | linuxstb | Domonoky: Yes, I've realised that... |
| 01:15:15 | linuxstb | I didn't expect you to start work so soon. |
| 01:15:20 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 01:15:27 | linuxstb | Is it just the functions in sansapatcher.c ? |
| 01:15:44 | linuxstb | read_firmware(), add_bootloader() etc |
| 01:16:11 | Domonoky | sansapatcher.h has a wrong include block.. and yes those functions.. |
| 01:16:33 | Domonoky | i mean a wrong #ifndef ... #define block :-) |
| 01:16:35 | midkay | Dwyloc: just a few minutes i hope.. |
| 01:16:36 | linuxstb | Ah, oops. To much copy and paste. |
| 01:16:49 | linuxstb | OK, I'll quickly fix those now. |
| 01:16:55 | Domonoky | :-) |
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| 01:18:25 | Dwyloc | midkay: thanks that will be one less patch to apply each time I do a fresh checkout and build for my nano and h120 :) |
| 01:18:51 | midkay | Dwyloc: which others? maybe some are committable :) |
| 01:21:59 | Dwyloc | midkay: I don't currently have any more in a committable state but I am working on adding support for quitting a number of plugins with the h120 LCD remote. I will post them if and when I am happy with them. |
| 01:22:25 | midkay | Dwyloc: alright, sounds good. if i can just get vmware to work.. :) |
| 01:22:36 | _Amblin | Just a quick question, on a DAP's processor, which is less exaustive, MP2 or MP3? |
| 01:22:53 | _Amblin | Im guessing MP2... |
| 01:24:04 | linuxstb | Domonoky: OK, I've just committed some changes - they should help, but there may be some more changes needed... |
| 01:24:29 | linuxstb | But now it's time for sleep. |
| 01:24:31 | * | linuxstb sleeps |
| 01:25:34 | Domonoky | oki.. thx, gn8 |
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| 01:26:07 | linuxstb | Domonoky: Feel free to make some changes yourself if you need to. |
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| 01:30:23 | Domonoky | whats the display resolution of the sansa ? |
| 01:31:22 | pixelma | 176x220 I believe |
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| 01:31:54 | Domonoky | thx |
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| 01:32:53 | Soap2 | neat patch Dwyloc |
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| 01:33:45 | midkay | Dwyloc: vmware is really not working for me. :( i wonder if anyone else can commit it for now. |
| 01:33:53 | * | preglow wonders if the m5 can record |
| 01:34:51 | Soap2 | according to http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/iaudio/m5/m5_m3.html it can |
| 01:35:47 | Soap2 | dropped FM tuner (meh), DRM (boo-fscking-hoo) and colour (meh) |
| 01:36:04 | pixelma | preglow: yes it can (built-in mic and line-in through the subpack) |
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| 01:38:20 | Dwyloc | midkay: thanks anyway. I know wmware can be a pain at times, but it still beats dual booting most of the time. |
| 01:38:51 | midkay | Dwyloc: absolutely beats dual booting.. but having network problems. :( |
| 01:39:42 | midkay | Dwyloc: gimme one more minute.. |
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| 01:43:28 | Dwyloc | midkay: I had to add svn.rockbox.org to /etc/hosts as sometime vmware fails to pickup dms from dhcp for me at work from our wifi network, even though it works under the host os fine. |
| 01:44:29 | preglow | pixelma: with the run time amiconn says it has, i've got to say it sounds tempting |
| 01:45:03 | preglow | i've been wanting another coldfire based player in case my h120 (god forbid) croaks |
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| 01:45:36 | midkay | Dwyloc: finally.. fixed it. |
| 01:46:31 | idk2 | I have a question about rockbox for the ipod |
| 01:46:55 | idk2 | is there a way to have it boot by default into the original apple firmware? |
| 01:48:43 | pixelma | it definitely is - the only thing I really miss is the radio. The runtime is that high for the L-version which is only available with a single platter hd (I think 20 or 30GB versions) - also there are a bit rare already. |
| 01:48:53 | idk2 | I have a question about rockbox for the ipod |
| 01:48:56 | pixelma | @ preglow |
| 01:49:30 | idk2 | is there a way to have it boot by default into the original apple firmware? |
| 01:49:44 | Soap2 | mp3 is mpeg1 layer 3, while mp2 is mpeg2 layer (?) |
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| 01:50:26 | Soap2 | idk2: not unless you want to modify the bootloader |
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| 01:50:56 | idk2 | are there bootloaders available which are already modified? |
| 01:51:02 | nano- | Does rockbox have support for usb-storage devices? Like if you have some cool iAudio and want to plug in your massive 500GB collection of music, is that possible? |
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| 01:51:23 | Soap2 | not to the best of my knowledge. Have you searched the fourms for someone posting one? |
| 01:51:32 | idk2 | I'll do that |
| 01:52:03 | Soap2 | The actual modification wouldn't be that hard, and there are two premade build enviroments avalilable, and there is also cgywin for those who are prefer that method. |
| 01:53:02 | midkay | Dwyloc: there, it should be in svn. |
| 01:53:41 | idk2 | Should i ask about it in the forums? |
| 01:53:51 | Dwyloc | midkay: thanks again. |
| 01:54:00 | Soap2 | someone has very recently, I thought perhaps it was you. |
| 01:54:03 | pixelma | nano-: do you mean with an external usb - connected through USB otg to your iAudio? If so the answer is: no, not yet |
| 01:54:23 | midkay | Dwyloc: no problem :) |
| 01:54:36 | pixelma | esternal hd that should read |
| 01:54:54 | pixelma | err.... you get the picture ;) |
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| 01:54:59 | idk2 | I searched, there was a thread asking about it, but from april '06 |
| 01:55:06 | idk2 | is there a more recent one? |
| 01:55:14 | nano- | pixelma: "not yet", as in someone working on it? |
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| 01:57:56 | idk2 | Actually, if i just installed it normally, then usually used the default firmware, and only reset my ipod when i wanted rockbox, would the ipod be mostly in sleep mode when i powered it off, and not constantly revert to rockbox? |
| 01:59:30 | pixelma | not to my knowledge. I think it's a goal to have it... one day... |
| 01:59:42 | Soap2 | idk2: mostly |
| 01:59:51 | idk2 | Thanks |
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| 02:00:13 | idk2 | how is the battery affected when playing music through rockbox. I will likely be using FLAC |
| 02:00:24 | pixelma | my statement was to nano- ... |
| 02:02:09 | nano- | check |
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| 02:05:05 | webguest26 | Hi guys...I just installed the gigabeatFX onto my f20....FANTASTIC....one question though.....how do I get the button LED to function????cant seem to find the setting option......help!!! |
| 02:06:00 | dude52 | i'm looking for someone who's good with coding and the ipod mini, anyone fit that bill? |
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| 02:08:48 | preglow | Soap2: mp2 is mpeg1 layer 2 |
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| 02:09:18 | Soap2 | thanks |
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| 02:11:53 | dude52 | is Karl Kurbjun online? |
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| 02:21:20 | andrewg867 | hrmph, I think I have finally figured out how to add a new debug menu selection |
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| 02:22:43 | dude52 | i can't tell if i'm connected right. can anyone read this? |
| 02:22:48 | andrewg867 | I can |
| 02:22:53 | dude52 | oh good |
| 02:22:59 | ze | can you be connected wrong? |
| 02:23:16 | dude52 | i didn't know if i'd have to port forward |
| 02:23:42 | dude52 | are any devs online right now? |
| 02:24:28 | dude52 | guess not |
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| 02:36:17 | jbwan | evening |
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| 02:50:24 | idk2 | I have another question |
| 02:51:13 | idk2 | your features comparison page lists "Radio recording" |
| 02:51:15 | idk2 | is this possible on the ipod? |
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| 02:58:52 | dan333 | If I use the vmware image what will happen when my computer boots |
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| 03:04:24 | Soap2 | it will boot windows (I assume you are running windows, dan333) |
| 03:04:52 | Soap2 | as VMWare is Windows software that runs Linux (or other OSs) inside a virtual machine. |
| 03:04:59 | dan333 | yes I am but do u get the choice of windows and linux or what happens |
| 03:06:14 | Soap2 | VMware is just like firefox. |
| 03:06:25 | andrewg867 | whooo, almost done the sansa FM tuner driver, just about ready for a real hardware test :) |
| 03:06:28 | Soap2 | it is a windows application inside which linux runs. |
| 03:06:34 | Soap2 | it is only an app. |
| 03:06:46 | andrewg867 | vmware runs on linux too btw |
| 03:06:47 | Soap2 | idk2 - the iPod has no FM to record. |
| 03:06:50 | dan333 | what is fire fox |
| 03:07:21 | Soap2 | nevermind - I figured that was a well-known enough Windows application to use as an example. |
| 03:07:50 | Soap2 | andrewg867: ilrelevant for the point I am trying to make to dan333. |
| 03:07:54 | dan333 | r u talking about the web browser |
| 03:07:59 | Soap2 | yes |
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| 03:09:13 | dan333 | So does it run linux and windows at the same time |
| 03:09:33 | Soap2 | it runs linux IN windows. |
| 03:09:47 | Soap2 | just as if linux was any other application. |
| 03:10:01 | dan333 | how do I start the application through a short cut |
| 03:10:08 | dan333 | on my desk top |
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| 03:12:14 | andrewg867 | by double clicking on it? |
| 03:13:00 | andrewg867 | it's just like if you wanted to run solitare or internet explorer, you just click on it and it will run linux on windows |
| 03:13:29 | dan333 | I use a screen reader will this still work once I open up linux |
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| 03:14:41 | andrewg867 | sorry but most likely not, the vmware virtual screen would be just like a picture to your software |
| 03:15:53 | dan333 | is it like the command window or completely different |
| 03:16:12 | andrewg867 | completely different, it is a whole operating system in one window |
| 03:16:42 | andrewg867 | you might be able to use cygwin (which I have no experience in) to compile which is just like the command window |
| 03:17:15 | dan333 | do u know of any screen readers for linux or would that just not work |
| 03:17:35 | andrewg867 | I don't know of any personally but I'm sure there is one |
| 03:18:15 | dan333 | if I could find one would this help the window read or not |
| 03:19:06 | andrewg867 | it would require setting up vmware first without any screen reader then attempting to enable sound in vmware and setting up the screen reader in linux |
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| 03:19:57 | andrewg867 | I think it would be easier to use cygwin, it somewhat emulates a linux environment in windows which your screen reader should have no trouble with |
| 03:20:18 | andrewg867 | it would esentially be just like the windows command window |
| 03:20:59 | dan333 | I tried installing cygwin but it seems really really complicated |
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| 03:22:25 | blackness | does anyone here use the loader 2? |
| 03:22:41 | Soap2 | try #ipodlinux |
| 03:23:22 | andrewg867 | dan333: hmm, I don't really know what else to say, I can't really help out with anything cygwin related |
| 03:24:19 | andrewg867 | yay, I have finished the first revision of the sansa FM driver :) http://aliant.ath.cx/~andrew/sansa/lv24020lp.c |
| 03:25:27 | andrewg867 | I don't even know if it works or not, its up for anyone to try. i'm going to try putting it into my sansa and using a debug menu to attempt to retrieve the chip ID |
| 03:26:05 | dan333 | all I want to do is add patches to my daily and then compile it so what do you think i should use |
| 03:27:33 | andrewg867 | if they are only a couple I might be able to do it for you |
| 03:27:52 | andrewg867 | what player are you using and what are the patch numbers? |
| 03:28:53 | dan333 | all I want to do is add patches to my daily and then compile it so what do you think i should useI am using a h300 but I will need to get the numbers also when i update I would need to repatch that's all |
| 03:29:57 | andrewg867 | I dont think thats a big deal, it just seems easier for someone to compile it for you instead you you struggling to use cygwin or vmware since you use a screen reader |
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| 03:31:46 | Soap2 | it would be nice for a sighted person to confirm the compatibility of VMware or colinux and popular screen-readers. |
| 03:32:16 | andrewg867 | if you could name some screen readers then I might be able to try with VMware |
| 03:32:21 | Soap2 | maybe even tune one of the distros for ease-of-screen-read. |
| 03:32:38 | dan333 | do u want to know the screenreader I use |
| 03:32:39 | andrewg867 | yeah, a nice project |
| 03:32:44 | andrewg867 | dan333: sure |
| 03:33:13 | dan333 | I use window eyes but jaws for window more |
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| 03:34:43 | dan333 | jaws for windows is what it is thats the full name |
| 03:34:53 | andrewg867 | I found a copy of jaws but not window eyes |
| 03:35:46 | dan333 | jaws is more power full and more people use it so its probabley a better option |
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| 03:41:12 | andrewg867 | wow these screen reader programs are expensive |
| 03:46:53 | dan333 | yeah u can download a demo that does everything but u need to reboot every 40 minutes |
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| 03:55:39 | andrewg867 | brb, jaws reuires a reboot |
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| 03:55:43 | andrewg867 | *requires |
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| 04:02:32 | andrewg867 | this seems to be working nicely in the terminal window, anyway |
| 04:03:20 | andrewg867 | I downloaded the "portable" version of 7.0 and it seems that I don't have to pay for it |
| 04:05:42 | andrewg867 | now to see how well it works in VMware |
| 04:07:46 | andrewg867 | it seems it cant read any of the VMware dialogue boxes or the virtual machine |
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| 04:11:36 | sslashes | hi - i just registered on the wiki to add my name to the summer of code page - can i get write permission? |
| 04:12:33 | andrewg867 | well I shall be off to bed now, i'll work on the FM driver more tomorrow. Hopefully I can integrate it with my current development source and maybe get the FM tuner working :) |
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| 04:29:06 | aliask | sslashes: What's your wiki name? |
| 04:29:15 | sslashes | aliask: RobFrawley |
| 04:30:44 | aliask | sslashes: You should have write access now. |
| 04:30:53 | sslashes | aliask: thanks! |
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| 04:30:54 | aliask | You're welcome. |
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| 04:35:29 | aliask | jhulst: I see you're interested in the Zen Vision: M port |
| 04:36:51 | jhulst | aliask: yes |
| 04:37:24 | aliask | I've been using one for a couple of days now, it's a pretty nice device. It'd be better with rockbox though :) |
| 04:37:27 | jhulst | aliask: I recently purchased one and am looking to expand it |
| 04:37:42 | aliask | Do you have a plan of action? |
| 04:37:44 | jhulst | aliask: I agree, the biggest thing for me is the lack of flac and ogg |
| 04:38:00 | jhulst | Have you seen our wiki page? |
| 04:38:20 | aliask | Not recently... |
| 04:38:57 | jhulst | We have a person buying a hard drive adapter to figure that part out |
| 04:39:11 | jhulst | someone offered a broken one for the scans |
| 04:39:20 | jhulst | I'm waiting on getting that from him |
| 04:39:32 | aliask | Great! |
| 04:40:01 | jhulst | Unfortunately, lots of people are interested, most without any coding experience though |
| 04:40:30 | jhulst | not unfortunate that their are lots of people, unfortunate that their is no coding experience |
| 04:41:38 | aliask | It might be an idea to work with toffe of the gigabeat port - both the ZVM and the gigabeat s use a very similar method of updating firmware |
| 04:42:05 | jhulst | sounds good, I've chatted with toffe a little bit |
| 04:42:15 | jhulst | are you going to be holding onto your Vision M? |
| 04:43:46 | aliask | It's actually my cousin's. It just came back from creative after some repairs. |
| 04:44:02 | aliask | Long story short: no. |
| 04:44:05 | jhulst | I see, well you are always welcome to help out :) |
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| 04:44:44 | aliask | Well, I have a gigabeat s, and I'm looking to get a harddrive adapter for that so I can take a closer look. They're quite expensive and I've only managed to find them overseas. |
| 04:44:54 | aliask | (the adapters) |
| 04:45:22 | jhulst | we were lucky, it looks like a $20 one will do it for us |
| 04:45:52 | dan333 | hi again if I go a head and try cygwin again would I be able to get help on here as I am instaling |
| 04:46:27 | jhulst | dan333: I can try to give some help, it's been a little while and I don't have my Windows box in front of me |
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| 04:47:07 | aliask | jhulst: Does the Zen use a ZIF harddrive? If so, could you give me a link to where you bought it? |
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| 04:48:25 | dohminator | Can someone help me? I tried to install rockbox on my color/photo ipod, now I am stuck with a black screen with the white apple logo, and I can't reset it. |
| 04:48:38 | Enraged_Noob | How did you install it? |
| 04:49:07 | jhulst | aliask: I'm not sure if it is zif, this is what we go http://www.digitalintelligence.com/cart/html/1.8-Inch-Laptop-Hard-Drive-Adapter.html |
| 04:49:41 | dan333 | when I get to the list of sighsites this is when I am installing cygwin which one do I choose |
| 04:50:07 | aliask | jhulst: Ah, that one won't fit the Gigabeat unfortunately. |
| 04:50:09 | dohminator | Installed the bootloader, then I installed the files to the root directory. It loaded it up initially, but when I did the safely remove hardware in XP, it went to that screen |
| 04:50:24 | Enraged_Noob | Ahh.. hold on |
| 04:50:34 | jhulst | aliask: yeah, I think it is just a miniature laptop drive |
| 04:50:38 | blackness | is it possible to run ipod linux as an app under rockbox? |
| 04:50:43 | Enraged_Noob | Yes |
| 04:50:46 | aliask | blackness: No |
| 04:51:00 | jhulst | dan333: you have already downloaded the setup.exe and are running that? |
| 04:51:51 | dan333 | I have got setup.exe but am not running that also I am blind will I need sighted asystence to install |
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| 04:52:48 | Enraged_Noob | Dohminator go here http://mikeage.net/content/rockbox-custom-builds/ |
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| 04:53:08 | Enraged_Noob | And download the noscaling build for the ipod |
| 04:53:44 | dohminator | thanks |
| 04:53:47 | Enraged_Noob | restart your ipod in disk mode (press select+play) after restarting, delete the .rockbox folder and the rockbox.ipod folder |
| 04:53:49 | jhulst | dan333: okay, you have to start out runnign setup.exe |
| 04:53:56 | Enraged_Noob | then delete the bootloader |
| 04:54:06 | Enraged_Noob | reinstall everything |
| 04:54:12 | Enraged_Noob | except this time |
| 04:54:27 | Enraged_Noob | instead of the rockbox firmware unzip the noscale build to your ipod |
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| 04:54:50 | dan333 | If you could that would be great I amiganOk I am up to the screen that says download from the internet |
| 04:55:24 | Enraged_Noob | Can anyone here help me with the itunesDB to rockboxDB converter? |
| 04:55:45 | jhulst | dan333: now select a mirror, one close to you is best but it shouldn't make a whole lot of differencec |
| 04:55:49 | dohminator | Only problem is that I can't restart my ipod at all. |
| 04:56:07 | Enraged_Noob | oh.. how are you doing it? |
| 04:56:07 | dohminator | wow, there it went |
| 04:56:13 | Enraged_Noob | ...lol. |
| 04:56:24 | dohminator | of course it would work. |
| 04:57:44 | dan333 | If you could that would be great I amiganOk I am up to the screen that says download from the internetis http://cygwin.internet.bs ok |
| 04:58:17 | jhulst | dan333: yes that is fine |
| 04:58:24 | dan333 | I mean is http://cygwin.internet.bs ok |
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| 04:58:39 | jhulst | dan333: yes |
| 04:59:10 | Enraged_Noob | so ... can anyone help me with the Itunes to rockbox database converter? |
| 04:59:34 | dan333 | I mean is http://cygwin.internet.bs okwhat do I type in the edit box thing on that same screen |
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| 05:00:06 | jhulst | you don't need to type anything, that is to add your own mirror |
| 05:00:28 | jhulst | dan333: just click next |
| 05:01:00 | dan333 | now it is downloading is that meant to happen now |
| 05:01:01 | dohminator | Actually, I don't think it did reset. It just changed to a screen with a batter life indicator. WTF? I toggle the hold button, then press and hold menu and select. hmm... |
| 05:01:14 | jhulst | dan333: yes, it is getting the list of packages to install |
| 05:01:33 | dan333 | Ok how long should this take? |
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| 05:02:00 | jhulst | dan333: it depends on your connection speed, I don't know exactly |
| 05:02:43 | dohminator | nevermind |
| 05:02:49 | dohminator | my ipod is finicky |
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| 05:03:11 | dohminator | Thanks for your help enraged noob |
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| 05:05:07 | jhulst | dan333: has it finished yet? |
| 05:06:14 | Enraged_Noob | oops sorry |
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| 05:06:20 | Enraged_Noob | i was eating.. umm |
| 05:06:25 | Enraged_Noob | still there? |
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| 05:07:21 | Enraged_Noob | You need to recharge your ipod .. don't worry mine had the same problem ( i have photo/color) .. took me some hours to figure out what was wrong... then Llorean helped me and all was well _] |
| 05:07:40 | Enraged_Noob | just charge your ipod for an hour or so, restart in disk mode . |
| 05:07:46 | dan333 | yes , it says to keep and to skip packages, which ones do I keep? |
| 05:08:38 | jhulst | dan333: none are installed by default, you will need to install quite a few |
| 05:09:22 | dan333 | should I keep them all? |
| 05:09:52 | jhulst | No, you need to install a few, not deselect any |
| 05:11:12 | jhulst | dan333: I'm getting a list of ones that you need to install, hold on a second |
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| 05:13:53 | jhulst | dan333: http://putnote.net/22 is the list, the first one starts with Archive-zip |
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| 05:14:01 | dan333 | I just clicked next I will see if it works and if it doesn't can I just reinstall it |
| 05:14:50 | jhulst | dan333: you don't have the correct packages installed, it isn't going to work for you |
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| 05:18:35 | dan333 | xyOk so what do you think I should do |
| 05:18:49 | dan333 | I have got a short cut as well |
| 05:19:10 | jhulst | I'm not sure, the setup gui isn't setup very well for someone who can't see it |
| 05:19:49 | aliask | dan333: Are you installing cygwin for the purposes of building rockbox? |
| 05:19:53 | jhulst | dan333: you have a basic cygwin install without any special packages, to update all you need to do is run the setup.exe again |
| 05:20:31 | dan333 | So should I run setup.exe again |
| 05:20:52 | jhulst | dan333: yes, but we are still going to need to figure out how to get the correct packages selected |
| 05:20:53 | dan333 | I am wanting to add patches and then compile |
| 05:21:00 | aliask | Read this |
| 05:21:02 | aliask | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinInstallWithScreenShots |
| 05:21:10 | dan333 | I can get sighted help if I need it |
| 05:21:25 | jhulst | dan333: I think that is going to be necessary |
| 05:21:26 | aliask | Ah, that won't be much help if you're blind... |
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| 05:22:06 | jhulst | aliask: I've been trying to walk him through it but that package selection is terrible if you can't see it |
| 05:22:08 | dan333 | I can get sighted help if I need itI have read the screen shots page what number do I need to look at because I have already installed something |
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| 05:22:43 | jhulst | dan333: you can basically start over again |
| 05:22:46 | aliask | I've heard that the cygwin installer is notoriously bad with screenreaders. |
| 05:23:10 | dan333 | OK so do I need to rerun the download from the site list |
| 05:23:37 | jhulst | You don't need to redownload setup.exe, just run it again and follow the instructions aliask linked to |
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| 05:27:51 | dan333 | OK now I have got the list of packages I think |
| 05:28:51 | jhulst | dan333: okay, how can I describe what you need to click on, graphically they are little checkboxes |
| 05:29:26 | jhulst | Under a column heading that starts with Bi I believe |
| 05:29:32 | dan333 | There is curr do I leve that selected it is a check box |
| 05:30:06 | jhulst | yes leave that, below there are more check boxes |
| 05:30:30 | dan333 | Ok so whats the first thing I should get some sighted to do now |
| 05:30:46 | dan333 | some one i mean |
| 05:31:53 | jhulst | have them go here, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinInstallWithScreenShots, and then at the middle of the page where it says "Ok, up to here it has all..." |
| 05:32:08 | jhulst | have them start with the instructions there |
| 05:32:42 | dan333 | does anyone know what I should get some one who is sighted to first click on |
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| 05:34:50 | dan333 | I found the word Archive should they click on that |
| 05:35:31 | jhulst | You click on the plus sign next to archive |
| 05:36:18 | jhulst | and then click the word skip for each package that needs to be installed (Zip and Unzip) |
| 05:37:19 | jhulst | Then you do the same for Devel clicking on skip for each package (binutils, gcc, gcc-mingw-core, gdb, make, mingw-runtime, patchutils, subversion) |
| 05:37:39 | jhulst | Same for interpreters (perl) |
| 05:37:56 | jhulst | and text (tetex-base, textex-extra) |
| 05:42:53 | dan333 | It says keep next to zip and unzip as well as GNU shar utilities.It has skip next to MS-TNEF & Extract microsoft cabinet. What should I do? |
| 05:43:30 | jhulst | if it has keep next to zip and unzip, leave it, don't uninstall anything |
| 05:44:12 | jhulst | just make sure keep or a version number is next to all the ones I listed |
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| 05:47:02 | jhulst | dan333: it's time for me to go, hope you get through the rest |
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| 06:32:13 | aegray__ | anybody know about mmu's? |
| 06:32:27 | aegray__ | specifically how to convert addresses? |
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| 07:16:42 | DaNET23947 | can anyone help me |
| 07:16:57 | DaNET23947 | how do i add themes in my ipod |
| 07:17:15 | t0dk0n | DaNET23947 |
| 07:17:15 | scorche | just extract them |
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| 07:17:20 | DaNET23947 | i did |
| 07:17:27 | t0dk0n | what os do you use? |
| 07:17:38 | t0dk0n | Windows, Linux, OS X? |
| 07:17:38 | DaNET23947 | first of all i downloaded a theme and its too small for the screena nd i deleted it |
| 07:17:43 | DaNET23947 | windows |
| 07:17:52 | t0dk0n | DaNET23947: alright, do you see the .rockbox file somewhere? |
| 07:17:54 | scorche | you need to download one for your device |
| 07:17:56 | DaNET23947 | yea |
| 07:18:01 | DaNET23947 | i got it |
| 07:18:04 | t0dk0n | DaNET23947: go into that |
| 07:18:07 | t0dk0n | then copy the background |
| 07:18:13 | t0dk0n | to the background on your ipod directory |
| 07:18:21 | t0dk0n | the font into the font directory on your ipod |
| 07:18:25 | DaNET23947 | what do u mean by that |
| 07:18:33 | t0dk0n | the wps folder and config file to the directory on your ipod |
| 07:18:55 | DaNET23947 | my wps file has some stuff cna i delete it all |
| 07:19:05 | t0dk0n | DaNET23947: make two different file viewer windows... one to your ipod, and one into the .rockbox that your theme extracted to |
| 07:19:17 | t0dk0n | no, don't delete anything from the wps |
| 07:19:17 | t0dk0n | lol |
| 07:19:25 | t0dk0n | why would you want to delete it? |
| 07:19:26 | DaNET23947 | umm i cleared it out |
| 07:19:29 | DaNET23947 | just 1 file left |
| 07:19:38 | t0dk0n | ....... |
| 07:19:45 | DaNET23947 | its the unicatvher left |
| 07:19:55 | t0dk0n | everything from the zip file of the theme |
| 07:19:57 | t0dk0n | belongs on your ipod |
| 07:20:02 | t0dk0n | in the respective directories |
| 07:20:08 | t0dk0n | unzip it again |
| 07:20:14 | DaNET23947 | how? |
| 07:20:22 | t0dk0n | Download them theme you want |
| 07:20:25 | t0dk0n | the theme* |
| 07:20:30 | t0dk0n | unzip it |
| 07:20:33 | t0dk0n | or extract |
| 07:20:37 | DaNET23947 | where cna i get osme themes |
| 07:20:43 | t0dk0n | don't delete anything in the .rockbox file it creates |
| 07:20:57 | t0dk0n | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery |
| 07:20:57 | DaNET23947 | oh |
| 07:20:59 | t0dk0n | pick your ipod modek |
| 07:21:01 | t0dk0n | model* |
| 07:21:07 | DaNET23947 | i[pod 5g |
| 07:21:15 | t0dk0n | pick ipod video then |
| 07:21:57 | DaNET23947 | ok then now wat |
| 07:22:05 | t0dk0n | did you download a theme? |
| 07:22:15 | DaNET23947 | no |
| 07:22:21 | DaNET23947 | which theme is the balck one |
| 07:22:25 | t0dk0n | lol |
| 07:22:32 | DaNET23947 | black theme? |
| 07:22:36 | * | t0dk0n facepalms |
| 07:22:38 | t0dk0n | iono, look around |
| 07:22:57 | DaNET23947 | ahh |
| 07:23:15 | scorche | t0dk0n: you brought it on yourself...i attempted, but you drowned me out with your multi-line sentences...all yours =) |
| 07:23:19 | DaNET23947 | btw the remaining files in my wps file just delete it right? |
| 07:23:37 | t0dk0n | scorche: lol ass :-D |
| 07:23:48 | DaNET23947 | hey todkon |
| 07:23:59 | DaNET23947 | all the files in my wps file i clear em k? |
| 07:24:06 | t0dk0n | Danet23947: why do you want to delete the wps file? |
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| 07:24:09 | t0dk0n | don't delete anything |
| 07:24:15 | DaNET23947 | there is 1 file left lol |
| 07:24:19 | DaNET23947 | its useless |
| 07:24:24 | t0dk0n | hows it useless? |
| 07:24:25 | t0dk0n | :p |
| 07:24:29 | t0dk0n | explain your reasoning! |
| 07:24:44 | t0dk0n | Do you mean wps on your ipod? |
| 07:24:46 | t0dk0n | the directory? |
| 07:24:48 | DaNET23947 | yea |
| 07:24:51 | t0dk0n | which is not a file |
| 07:24:54 | t0dk0n | no, don't delete taht |
| 07:24:59 | t0dk0n | those are just built in themes |
| 07:25:09 | t0dk0n | on Rockbox, you can have as many themes as you want |
| 07:25:12 | DaNET23947 | ohh |
| 07:25:18 | t0dk0n | you can have the whole theme database on your ipod if you'd like |
| 07:25:21 | t0dk0n | but that would take a while :p |
| 07:25:22 | DaNET23947 | so if i delete them then i won't ahve anythemes |
| 07:25:27 | DaNET23947 | yea i want it |
| 07:25:29 | t0dk0n | yup :p |
| 07:25:33 | DaNET23947 | so how do i do it |
| 07:26:04 | t0dk0n | alright.. download a theme, extract/unzip it, place all the contents of each sub directory into the main directories on your actual ipod |
| 07:26:15 | t0dk0n | so anything in the wps from the theme goes into wps on your ipod |
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| 07:26:38 | DaNET23947 | i gotta download 1 at the time right? |
| 07:26:41 | t0dk0n | anything from the theme from the theme, goes into theme on your ipod |
| 07:26:49 | t0dk0n | lol sure |
| 07:27:12 | DaNET23947 | i got the file now i extract to my ipod root? |
| 07:27:23 | t0dk0n | no |
| 07:27:36 | t0dk0n | extract it on your computer somewhere, make a new directory |
| 07:27:45 | DaNET23947 | oh ok |
| 07:28:02 | t0dk0n | just to be safe... I don't use windows, so I wouldn't know :p |
| 07:28:04 | DaNET23947 | done ... |
| 07:28:07 | t0dk0n | alright |
| 07:28:14 | t0dk0n | now, there's .rockbox from your theme? |
| 07:28:20 | t0dk0n | just the theme |
| 07:28:22 | t0dk0n | not your ipod |
| 07:28:37 | DaNET23947 | i got backdrops,fonts,themes,wps folders |
| 07:28:42 | DaNET23947 | after extractin |
| 07:28:57 | scorche | seriously though, can you use one line per thought at least?...it spams the logs |
| 07:29:13 | DaNET23947 | my bad bro =P |
| 07:29:21 | scorche | not you ;) |
| 07:29:23 | t0dk0n | I think he might be talking to me :-D |
| 07:29:29 | t0dk0n | yup |
| 07:29:30 | DaNET23947 | rofl |
| 07:29:41 | DaNET23947 | ok now wat do i do |
| 07:29:45 | t0dk0n | sorry scorche... i'm too scatterbrained |
| 07:30:20 | DaNET23947 | do i dump it in my ipod now? |
| 07:31:03 | t0dk0n | Danet23947: put the files from the inside of the extracted directories into the directories on your ipod |
| 07:31:21 | DaNET23947 | in the .rockbox folder right? |
| 07:31:22 | t0dk0n | so whatever is in backdrops, the .bmp file, put that in backdrops on your ipod |
| 07:31:31 | t0dk0n | yes |
| 07:31:31 | DaNET23947 | ahh |
| 07:31:53 | t0dk0n | then in wps, you put that whole directory + the theme config file into wps on your ipod |
| 07:32:01 | DaNET23947 | i hate the wps defult background cna i clear em?? any effects on my ipod 5g? |
| 07:32:19 | t0dk0n | if you clear them, you should replace it with a new one, with the same name |
| 07:32:37 | t0dk0n | or change the name in the theme.cfg or theme.wps files |
| 07:32:41 | DaNET23947 | same name??? if i load this new 1 i just added |
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| 07:32:54 | DaNET23947 | then i gotta rename it? |
| 07:32:54 | t0dk0n | err yeah |
| 07:33:06 | t0dk0n | well, it wont load automatically when you load the theme file |
| 07:33:27 | t0dk0n | I think there's somewhere you can go in the settings to change the background |
| 07:33:40 | t0dk0n | scorche: do you know if you can change the backdrop from the settings? |
| 07:33:46 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I compared the battery discharge curves of X5 and M5L. Apart from the time scale, they look nearly identical |
| 07:34:02 | t0dk0n | scorche: am I still 'spamming the logs'? :P |
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| 07:35:40 | DaNET23947 | hold on i am workin on it |
| 07:36:05 | DaNET23947 | ok donw |
| 07:36:07 | DaNET23947 | done |
| 07:36:17 | DaNET23947 | lemmie check my ipod |
| 07:36:21 | t0dk0n | alright |
| 07:36:31 | DaNET23947 | how do i change the background |
| 07:36:38 | DaNET23947 | my background is ugly |
| 07:37:14 | t0dk0n | I'm not quite sure... I just rely on themes pretty much |
| 07:37:24 | DaNET23947 | oh |
| 07:37:29 | DaNET23947 | wow a nice theme =P |
| 07:37:32 | DaNET23947 | workoin |
| 07:37:42 | DaNET23947 | thx |
| 07:37:44 | DaNET23947 | 1 more thing |
| 07:37:54 | DaNET23947 | how do i make the games working |
| 07:38:08 | petur | backdrop should be in .rockbox/backdrops and if you browse to that and select the backdrop, get context menu and select backdrop |
| 07:38:42 | DaNET23947 | hmm??? |
| 07:38:51 | t0dk0n | DaNET23947: plugins |
| 07:38:51 | DaNET23947 | is that about the games thingy? |
| 07:38:58 | DaNET23947 | yea its in plugins |
| 07:39:06 | DaNET23947 | the games some r bugged |
| 07:39:19 | t0dk0n | Danet23947: petur was just telling you how to set a different background :P |
| 07:39:39 | DaNET23947 | ahh i know that but thx anyway =P |
| 07:39:40 | t0dk0n | Danet23947: and yes, some games are buggy, because Rockbox is still a beta firmware... so that should be expected |
| 07:39:44 | t0dk0n | its not perfect |
| 07:39:47 | DaNET23947 | oh |
| 07:39:52 | DaNET23947 | btw doom is dead |
| 07:39:54 | t0dk0n | but I think its certainly better the the original ipod firmware |
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| 07:40:00 | DaNET23947 | i saw people on youtube with awesome doom |
| 07:40:23 | t0dk0n | DaNET23947: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 07:40:40 | t0dk0n | read all of that carefully for Doom to work |
| 07:40:51 | t0dk0n | and don't ask for WAD files, this channel isn't the place for that :P |
| 07:41:15 | DaNET23947 | lol ^^ |
| 07:42:00 | DaNET23947 | hey |
| 07:42:08 | DaNET23947 | wats ipod linux for btw? |
| 07:42:17 | t0dk0n | do you know what Linux is? |
| 07:42:26 | DaNET23947 | yea |
| 07:42:34 | t0dk0n | well, its that, but for the iPod :p |
| 07:42:36 | DaNET23947 | when i open i[pod linux its bugged |
| 07:42:51 | DaNET23947 | all the leter fles all over the place makin it unable to read |
| 07:42:52 | t0dk0n | hmm? you installed ipod Linux? |
| 07:42:59 | DaNET23947 | yea |
| 07:43:15 | t0dk0n | ah, did you format your ipod to a Linux file system? |
| 07:43:20 | DaNET23947 | yea |
| 07:43:28 | DaNET23947 | i did everyhintg perfectly |
| 07:43:31 | t0dk0n | hmm iono, you should goto the IRC channel for that though |
| 07:43:38 | DaNET23947 | lol yea ^^ |
| 07:43:46 | DaNET23947 | what else can rockbox do? |
| 07:44:01 | t0dk0n | all I can say is that iPod Linux is just another firmware for iPod, based pretty much on the Linux operating system |
| 07:45:08 | DaNET23947 | oh |
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| 07:45:28 | DaNET23947 | i want to add in cool plugins like clocks |
| 07:45:38 | DaNET23947 | how do i add them |
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| 07:45:56 | t0dk0n | all the plugins that exist for rockbox, are built into rockbox |
| 07:46:03 | t0dk0n | unless you find a patch in the developer wiki |
| 07:46:17 | DaNET23947 | how do i do that |
| 07:46:38 | scorche | honestly, i wouldnt worry about it |
| 07:46:40 | t0dk0n | nevermind that :p |
| 07:46:52 | DaNET23947 | btw do u know urself? |
| 07:47:05 | * | t0dk0n looks into his brain... |
| 07:47:11 | t0dk0n | yes, yes I do, know myself? |
| 07:47:20 | DaNET23947 | can u tell me how please |
| 07:47:30 | t0dk0n | this isn't #philosophy :-p |
| 07:48:10 | DaNET23947 | hey open my oter chat |
| 07:48:42 | DaNET23947 | how cna i add a clock |
| 07:48:54 | t0dk0n | yeah... I afk now... tootles, good luck :) |
| 07:49:47 | DaNET23947 | nooooooooooo |
| 07:49:48 | DaNET23947 | ok thx btw |
| 07:50:01 | t0dk0n | lol welcome |
| 07:50:04 | t0dk0n | laterz |
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| 08:20:08 | amiconn | morning LinusN |
| 08:20:13 | LinusN | morning |
| 08:20:22 | amiconn | Did you find the runtime result in the log? :) |
| 08:21:04 | LinusN | 51 hours! |
| 08:21:58 | amiconn | Nearly 52 |
| 08:22:07 | amiconn | Only 3 minutes too short ;) |
| 08:22:48 | LinusN | truly amazing |
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| 08:26:39 | DaNET23947 | hey |
| 08:26:51 | DaNET23947 | anyone know how do i add a clock or app in rockbox? |
| 08:27:05 | DaNET23947 | searched for weeks but nothing |
| 08:27:41 | petur | if your dap has an rtc chip, the clock plugin is included |
| 08:28:09 | DaNET23947 | sorry i am an idiot but i got no idea wat u r sayin |
| 08:28:20 | DaNET23947 | in layman terms ... |
| 08:28:24 | petur | or better, if we support the clock chip inside your player,... |
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| 08:28:47 | scorche | DaNET23947: point is, as has been told to you before, all the plugins that work with rockbox, are already there |
| 08:28:48 | DaNET23947 | how do i know tht? i ahve an ipod video 60gb does it support |
| 08:29:37 | petur | DaNET23947: there's a wiki page that lists the possibilities (iirc) |
| 08:30:09 | scorche | DaNET23947: read the manual...please |
| 08:31:26 | dan333 | When I am in cygwin and I type n for normal build after i have done everything else I get the following message WARNING: The compiler you must use (m68k-elf-gcc) is not in your path! |
| 08:31:27 | dan333 | WARNING: this may cause your build to fail since we cannot do the |
| 08:31:27 | dan333 | WARNING: checks we want now. |
| 08:31:43 | dan333 | WARNING: checks we want now. what should I do |
| 08:32:12 | LinusN | dan333: install the compiler |
| 08:32:21 | petur | or put it in your path |
| 08:32:28 | dan333 | how do I do that |
| 08:32:50 | petur | dan333: start by reading the warning/errormessage, it sometimes gives a clue |
| 08:33:14 | petur | how did you get the compiler? |
| 08:33:28 | dan333 | as that what i just sent |
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| 08:34:05 | petur | was it a loud bang and it was there or did you follow some guide to build it? |
| 08:34:48 | petur | dan333: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
| 08:36:05 | dan333 | I am following the instructions from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling and I am using the daily build sorce |
| 08:37:03 | petur | did you wollow the CygwinDevelopment page completely? |
| 08:37:12 | merwin | what crypt lib do i need to build mi4code on linux? |
| 08:37:14 | LinusN | dan333: and you did step 3 of http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment? |
| 08:37:49 | * | petur checks his code for weird typos - it's one of _those_ days :/ |
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| 08:41:51 | dan333 | I followed the instructions from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment and did step 3 but I could of missed something if I did is there a way to install that one packthing |
| 08:42:05 | dan333 | package thing |
| 08:44:44 | LinusN | dan333: this is interesting, because if it is a fresh cygwin installation, installing the compiler packages should automatically add the path |
| 08:46:24 | LinusN | dan333: could you check the contents of /etc/bash.bashrc ? |
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| 08:48:48 | dan333 | what is /etc/bash |
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| 08:52:22 | dan333 | does anyone know what I should do |
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| 08:52:33 | dan333 | about my cygwin problem |
| 08:52:50 | GodEater | dan333: LinusN already told you. If you don't understand the answer - you've got a lot of googling to do. |
| 08:53:16 | bluebrother | who is RobFrawley? |
| 08:53:56 | DaNET23947 | does anyone know how i can put in applications in my rockbox for my ipod 5g |
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| 08:54:45 | GodEater | I see the clue meter has dropped several points |
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| 08:55:11 | DaNET23947 | does anyone know how i cam put in applications like a clock in my rockbox for my ipod 5g |
| 08:56:36 | Llorean | DaNET23947: Rockbox includes everything officially supported. |
| 08:56:47 | bluebrother | DaNET23947: http://www.portableapps.com |
| 08:56:55 | bluebrother | if you are asking for "applications" |
| 08:57:00 | scorche | DaNET23947: this is the third time you have been told this...stop asking and read the manual |
| 08:57:03 | DaNET23947 | yea whoa thx bro |
| 08:57:12 | DaNET23947 | where do i get a manual |
| 08:57:38 | scorche | people have had a bit of luck with the link that says "maunal" on the side of the rockbox site |
| 08:57:49 | scorche | s/maunal/manual |
| 08:58:35 | DaNET23947 | i got the manual |
| 08:58:42 | DaNET23947 | but its just loads of pic and no info |
| 08:58:43 | scorche | now read it |
| 08:59:07 | scorche | do you see words? |
| 08:59:08 | bluebrother | go to www.rockbox.org |
| 08:59:12 | dan333 | or my sygwin problem were you talking about the etc folder |
| 08:59:18 | bluebrother | press Ctrl-F |
| 08:59:20 | DaNET23947 | hmm |
| 08:59:21 | bluebrother | type "manual" |
| 08:59:23 | bluebrother | press enter |
| 08:59:27 | bluebrother | and look what it finds |
| 08:59:30 | GodEater | amazing, people normally complain there's not enough pics |
| 08:59:45 | DaNET23947 | ok hold on |
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| 09:00:19 | DaNET23947 | which should i get |
| 09:00:26 | DaNET23947 | pdf?html or online? |
| 09:00:42 | bluebrother | the one for your player |
| 09:00:54 | scorche | pdf is the easiest to read |
| 09:00:56 | DaNET23947 | ok i 'll choise ipod video |
| 09:00:59 | bluebrother | how do I know if you prefer to read it in pdf form or online? |
| 09:01:00 | DaNET23947 | i did this b4 rofl |
| 09:01:17 | DaNET23947 | i chose html lol |
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| 09:02:01 | * | bluebrother can't believe it |
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| 09:02:26 | blackbrother | hey |
| 09:02:29 | * | amiconn started another runtime test which is likely to end much sooner than the m5l test with backlight :P |
| 09:03:44 | GodEater | amiconn: what you testing this time ? |
| 09:03:54 | blackbrother | hey |
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| 09:04:10 | blackbrother | i get this annoying error(when i read online) doesn't open |
| 09:04:49 | amiconn | Ipod mini g2 w/ backlight |
| 09:05:02 | LinusN | dan333: type this on the cygwin prompt: cat /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 09:06:53 | blackbrother | hey i added all the themes on my ipod butit won't display all the themes i got? |
| 09:07:23 | blackbrother | is there any way it can display all or i gotta clear some? |
| 09:07:51 | LinusN | blackbrother: maybe some of the themes are incompatible? |
| 09:08:01 | blackbrother | oh |
| 09:08:42 | blackbrother | thats maybe , so i think i shoudl clear some (all the lousy themes are displayed whereas all the good theres i cannot see |
| 09:09:36 | LinusN | how did you install them? |
| 09:10:21 | blackbrother | extracted them |
| 09:10:25 | blackbrother | rofl |
| 09:10:32 | blackbrother | i extarceyted them in the wrong place |
| 09:10:34 | blackbrother | rofl |
| 09:10:41 | blackbrother | theres like 50 themes there lol |
| 09:11:24 | blackbrother | hey ok tell me what only should be in the .rockbox follder beacuse i forgot wat should be tehre due to the tons of themes ther |
| 09:11:25 | LinusN | wow |
| 09:12:21 | blackbrother | umm |
| 09:12:44 | blackbrother | give me the name of the folders that r suppose to be in the .rockbox folder like fonts .... |
| 09:13:09 | LinusN | hang on |
| 09:13:19 | scorche | i was aghast of this conversation, as this didnt sound like anything even close to what bluebrother would say....then i looked at the name again... |
| 09:13:19 | | Quit aegray__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 09:14:01 | blackbrother | and ... |
| 09:14:03 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:14:11 | blackbrother | rofl |
| 09:14:37 | LinusN | blackbrother: backdrops, codecs, docs, codepages, eqs, fonts, langs, rocks, themes, viewers, wps |
| 09:15:24 | blackbrother | i also got some strage files like .playlist_control and other stuff (do i throw these away |
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| 09:15:32 | LinusN | blackbrother: leave them |
| 09:15:41 | blackbrother | ok |
| 09:16:29 | LinusN | now who is Rob Frawley? |
| 09:16:57 | linuxstb | LinusN: Good question :) |
| 09:17:13 | blackbrother | DAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM |
| 09:17:25 | linuxstb | Did he come here from rent-a-mentor? |
| 09:17:31 | LinusN | blackbrother: that does not sound like success to me :-) |
| 09:17:38 | blackbrother | i dragged and then LOST ALL MY FONTS AND EVERYTHING IN MY ROCKBOX |
| 09:17:44 | blackbrother | accidently deleted it |
| 09:17:52 | blackbrother | all my work ............ =( |
| 09:17:52 | LinusN | blackbrother: better reinstall then |
| 09:17:57 | scorche | LinusN: stripslashes or something like that...came in earlier |
| 09:18:07 | blackbrother | how do i reinstall |
| 09:18:43 | scorche | he added himself as a mentor?...ugh |
| 09:18:50 | | Nick blackbrother is now known as mentor (n=limpbizk@125-25-143-64.adsl.totbb.net) |
| 09:18:55 | mentor | hmm |
| 09:19:44 | LinusN | mentor: it's hard to follow the conversation if you change your nick all the time |
| 09:21:48 | | Nick mentor is now known as blackbrother (n=limpbizk@125-25-143-64.adsl.totbb.net) |
| 09:21:50 | blackbrother | ok |
| 09:21:58 | LinusN | blackbrother: reinstallation is simply extracting the zip's again |
| 09:22:08 | blackbrother | reinstall? how? |
| 09:22:19 | markun | blackbrother: what kind of 'work' did you lose? |
| 09:22:25 | B4gder | "reinstallation is simply extracting the zip's again" |
| 09:22:31 | blackbrother | i wiped the whole rockbox folder |
| 09:22:37 | markun | so? |
| 09:22:52 | Llorean | scorche: He added himself to the SoC wiki page. That doesn't mean he's signed up at Google, and doesn't mean he's been accepted (I assume by project administrator there) |
| 09:22:53 | markun | Just unzip the rockbox.zip from the 'current builds' download page |
| 09:23:17 | blackbrother | after extarcted then? |
| 09:23:25 | scorche | Llorean: aye...i would be very surprised if it was that easy to add...but still =/ |
| 09:23:34 | B4gder | Llorean: I am the project admin for Rockbox/soc so I am the one who will accept mentors |
| 09:24:09 | B4gder | the applying mentors are meant to appear in a little web app for me |
| 09:24:20 | markun | blackbrother: after extracting the rockbox folder is back |
| 09:24:20 | B4gder | ... but they have a bug that so far has prevented any mentors to appear |
| 09:24:45 | blackbrother | whats a nemtor? |
| 09:24:58 | B4gder | blackbrother: see the SummerOfCode wiki page |
| 09:25:17 | markun | blackbrother: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SummerOfCode |
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| 09:25:33 | Llorean | B4gder: I guessed it was either delayed or not working yet. :) |
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| 09:26:21 | blackbrother | markun: i see it |
| 09:26:31 | dan333 | hould i try running setup.exe to try and fix my cygwin problem |
| 09:26:46 | LinusN | dan333: did you do what i told yu? |
| 09:27:08 | blackbrother | yup^^ |
| 09:27:23 | dan333 | hould i try running setup.exe to try and fix my cygwin problemcan u say it again because my screenreader didn't read it out |
| 09:28:05 | LinusN | dan333: oh, you're blind.... |
| 09:28:32 | dan333 | yep is that a problem or something |
| 09:28:36 | LinusN | dan333: type this on the cygwin prompt: cat /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 09:28:52 | LinusN | it should print 3 lines of text |
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| 09:32:01 | dan333 | s the command "cat /etc/bash" with out the quotes |
| 09:33:41 | LinusN | dan333: no, it's "cat /etc/bash.bashrc" |
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| 09:34:34 | dan333 | with the . and " |
| 09:34:41 | LinusN | without the quites |
| 09:34:48 | LinusN | quotes |
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| 09:38:08 | dan333 | is it amigan"cat /etc/bash |
| 09:38:45 | scorche | dan333: your screenreader might be interpreting this wrong |
| 09:38:52 | ze | cat /etc/bash dot bash are sea |
| 09:38:57 | ze | (dunno if that helps) |
| 09:39:15 | scorche | type: cat /etc/bash dot bashrc |
| 09:39:42 | scorche | replace "dot" with a period/dot |
| 09:40:20 | dan333 | can u put a qu" at the start of the command and 1 at the end |
| 09:40:34 | dan333 | so I can just pate it in to cygwin |
| 09:40:58 | ze | "cat /etc/bash.bashrc" |
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| 09:41:35 | scorche | by ze's first comment, he made the last portion of the command a bit more phonetic |
| 09:41:49 | dan333 | ok is the command cat /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 09:41:56 | ze | yes |
| 09:41:58 | scorche | yes |
| 09:42:52 | movezig | I'm having trouble with rockbox on my 1gen Nano. When I try to initialize the database the ipod goes really slow and eventually freezes. I left it allone untill the battery ran out, but the database wouldn't be created. |
| 09:43:04 | austriancoder | does somebody can explain me, what parameter type of void audiohw_set_recvol(int left, int right, int type) stands for? |
| 09:43:19 | * | scorche retires to his bed |
| 09:43:34 | * | ze does too, by coincidence |
| 09:43:41 | movezig | gn8 scorche and ze |
| 09:43:45 | ze | night |
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| 09:45:41 | dan333 | ok is the command cat /etc/bash.bashrcthis is y i get when i run the command # base-files version 3.7-1 |
| 09:45:41 | dan333 | # WARNING |
| 09:45:41 | dan333 | # |
| 09:45:41 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK dan333 |
| 09:45:41 | dan333 | # IF THIS bash IS MODIFIED IT WILL NOT BE UPDATED BY THE CYGWIN |
| 09:45:41 | dan333 | # SETUP PROGRAM. IT BECOMES YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. |
| 09:45:42 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 09:45:42 | dan333 | # |
| 09:45:44 | dan333 | # The latest version as installed by the Cygwin Setup program can |
| 09:45:46 | dan333 | # always be found at /etc/defaults/etc/bash.bashrc |
| 09:45:48 | dan333 | # System-wide .bashrc file |
| 09:46:13 | dan333 | what should i do now |
| 09:46:20 | movezig | What was the problem? |
| 09:46:44 | GodEater | dan333: is that all? There should be more to it than that. |
| 09:47:19 | dan333 | that seems to be all I get when I go in to cyg win paste this command |
| 09:49:05 | dan333 | do u know what I should do |
| 09:49:07 | movezig | I take it, nobody has any idea about my database problem? |
| 09:49:55 | linuxstb | austriancoder: Look at the implementation of that function in (for example) firmware/drivers/uda1380.c |
| 09:51:20 | GodEater | dan333: did you try the VMWare environment ? It requires a lot less setup than the cygwin one, and it's faster. |
| 09:51:29 | austriancoder | linuxstb: thanks.. found it |
| 09:51:35 | nls | movezig: you maye have some files that crash the metadatareader, try to take all your music off the player and add it back eithe r in a "binary search" way or just little, by little to try to find the files that break it |
| 09:52:17 | dan333 | i use a screen reader and I think cyg win is the only one that wil work with it |
| 09:52:40 | nls | then fine out what is wrong with the files and report it if they shoudl have worked or fix them :-) |
| 09:52:49 | movezig | thanks nls |
| 09:53:06 | GodEater | dan333: that's a shame! Ok, I'm installing cygwin myself right now so I have a look at it. Give me a few minutes! |
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| 09:54:05 | austriancoder | linuxstb: would be a good idea, to add some comments for each funtion to firmware/export/audio.h. So its documented well in one place |
| 09:54:29 | linuxstb | austriancoder: Yes, that would seem to make sense. |
| 09:54:29 | dan333 | k thanks can u tell me when you r ready |
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| 09:55:28 | GodEater | dan333: nearly there |
| 09:55:43 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
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| 09:56:23 | nls | movezig: i was a bit unclear, update the database between adding more files too :-) |
| 09:58:06 | GodEater | well that's bloody useful. Using the "default" install option of cygwin leaves you with no working text editors at all |
| 09:58:18 | linuxstb | You still have notepad :) |
| 09:59:34 | GodEater | linuxstb: doesn't work well with LF endings |
| 09:59:52 | GodEater | linuxstb: which, if you accept the default install, as the rockbox guide recommends, is what you get. |
| 10:00 |
| 10:00:17 | linuxstb | I thought I saw "nano" listed in the cygwin install guide? |
| 10:00:33 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
| 10:00:46 | linuxstb | Or are there other guides? |
| 10:00:52 | GodEater | Step 2: If you are unsure about which to accept, just accept default |
| 10:01:04 | linuxstb | And the next sentence? |
| 10:01:12 | linuxstb | "When you are asked to select the packages to install, select the following, except for the Base, which is required:" |
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| 10:02:34 | Markarian | Hi |
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| 10:04:05 | t0dk0n | Anyone wanna see the parody of the Ubuntu theme I made for my ipod? |
| 10:04:19 | t0dk0n | http://farm1.static.flickr.com/183/422903140_640799dbfb.jpg?v=0 |
| 10:04:24 | t0dk0n | http://farm1.static.flickr.com/146/422903138_0625499844.jpg?v=0 |
| 10:04:32 | GodEater | linuxstb: I personally found that first instruction confusing - like you could choose to ignore the next bit. I see of course now that you can't - but perhaps the package installation part needs it's own heading. |
| 10:05:30 | linuxstb | GodEater: wiki wiki wiki... |
| 10:05:57 | linuxstb | I'm not sure what that last part of the sentence - "except for the Base" means though. |
| 10:06:07 | GodEater | yes, that's not clear either |
| 10:06:09 | linuxstb | Does it mean to leave the Base at the defaults? |
| 10:06:12 | t0dk0n | ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US |
| 10:06:26 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 10:06:26 | * | linuxstb makes his first gigabeat commit |
| 10:06:26 | GodEater | I'll edit it in a second when I've finished my install and found any other possible gotchas |
| 10:07:14 | markun | LinusN: can you rename the SamsungSA58700 wiki page to SamsungSA58xxx or SamsungSA58 ? |
| 10:08:45 | markun | linuxstb: I'm happy more and more of the rockbox devs are getting a Gigabeat |
| 10:08:55 | linuxstb | markun: I'm not sure what's going on, but for some reason, Rockbox is displaying the USB logo with a black background on my gigabeat - but the status bar still has my normal white background (iCatcher theme)... |
| 10:09:24 | LinusN | SamsungSA58 it is |
| 10:09:24 | markun | linuxstb: yes, there is a a weird bug |
| 10:09:47 | markun | LinusN: thanks! |
| 10:09:47 | linuxstb | OK, so it's known? |
| 10:10:07 | markun | linuxstb: known by me and on my todo, I should have filed a bugreport |
| 10:10:32 | markun | I also know party why the problem happens |
| 10:10:36 | markun | partly |
| 10:10:42 | linuxstb | So is it always a black background? |
| 10:11:20 | markun | no, it depends on the background of the last plugin you visited |
| 10:11:21 | markun | :) |
| 10:11:44 | markun | check lcd-meg-fx.c |
| 10:11:47 | Markarian | Hey guys, I have a question. I'm new to Rockbox, and am switching from iTunes (except for movies) to use Rockbox for my music. I run Vista x64 and am trying to figure out how to safely use my iPod with Rockbox without corrupting the filesystem. |
| 10:11:52 | linuxstb | OK, that explains why I've just seen it today (testing pacbox) |
| 10:12:03 | blackbrother | hey http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 10:12:05 | markun | there is bg_pattern_blit and gb_pattern |
| 10:12:08 | blackbrother | i can't get doom |
| 10:12:16 | markun | I think one of them doesn't get set correctly for some reason |
| 10:12:39 | markun | blackbrother: what's the problem with it? |
| 10:12:44 | linuxstb | Markarian: What's the problem? You just treat your ipod like any other removable USB disk. |
| 10:13:47 | blackbrother | look i put the files in then it stops there? i removed my ipod video and then doom its still bugged |
| 10:14:44 | blackbrother | i got the file freedoom-iwad |
| 10:15:20 | blackbrother | thats the 0.4.1 relese |
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| 10:16:05 | blackbrother | it says about the thing about the add on directory ??? where is it |
| 10:16:13 | dan333 | is there away I can check what cygwin packages I have installed |
| 10:16:35 | GodEater | dan333: yes, run the setup.exe again |
| 10:16:48 | GodEater | dan333: mine is still running currently - be with you as soon as it's done |
| 10:16:50 | Markarian | I know, but I've heard you need to put it in Apple mode to get high-speed transfer working. And I've heard the risk is from people "Safely Ejecting Hardware" through Windows. |
| 10:17:10 | markun | blackbrother: did you "install rockdoom.wad" ? |
| 10:17:21 | blackbrother | whats that? |
| 10:17:39 | blackbrother | i got that file |
| 10:17:39 | markun | I read it from the wiki page you linked to |
| 10:17:51 | markun | and where did you put it? |
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| 10:18:11 | blackbrother | \.rockbox\doom\ |
| 10:18:17 | blackbrother | my ipod |
| 10:18:43 | markun | ok, I think you need to store you other wad file there as well |
| 10:18:48 | markun | works fine for me at least |
| 10:19:00 | linuxstb | Markarian: The risk is form people NOT "Safely Ejecting Hardware" through Windows. And yes, most people seem to report that USB transfers are faster when running the fuill Apple firmware, compared to the emergency disk mode that Rockbox reboots into. Personally, I have no problems with the emergency mode on my 5g. |
| 10:19:03 | blackbrother | store it where |
| 10:19:26 | markun | in the same dir |
| 10:19:41 | blackbrother | markun: i stored the wad file only in my ipod\.rockbox\doom\ directory |
| 10:19:54 | blackbrother | where else do i store it? |
| 10:20:00 | markun | well, if that doesn't work then I don't know what's wrong |
| 10:20:44 | blackbrother | hmm |
| 10:20:58 | blackbrother | they say soemthing about an addon file |
| 10:21:13 | markun | yes, I see that in the wiki page |
| 10:21:20 | blackbrother | A free alternative for Doom 2 is Freedoom. This can be used in place of doom2.wad or it may be used as an addon in doom by placing it in the addons directory. |
| 10:21:21 | markun | what about it? |
| 10:21:27 | blackbrother | hmm |
| 10:21:42 | blackbrother | ok i'll restart my ipod and try itt now |
| 10:22:07 | blackbrother | hey thx ^^ |
| 10:22:14 | | Part LinusN |
| 10:22:20 | markun | you're welcome, I hope it works |
| 10:22:53 | blackbrother | missing base wad |
| 10:23:05 | blackbrother | and plugin returned and error |
| 10:23:35 | blackbrother | what does that mean? |
| 10:23:58 | markun | usually that it didn't find rockdoom.wad |
| 10:24:02 | GodEater | dan333: you still here ? |
| 10:24:21 | blackbrother | hmm |
| 10:24:29 | blackbrother | so what do i do now? |
| 10:24:31 | markun | blackbrother: but you put rockdoom.wad in .rockbox/doom as well, right? |
| 10:24:53 | blackbrother | thats the only place i put |
| 10:25:07 | markun | so you have 2 .wad files there? |
| 10:25:24 | blackbrother | no just 1 |
| 10:25:28 | blackbrother | 1 wad file |
| 10:25:33 | markun | well, you need 2 |
| 10:25:40 | blackbrother | where do i get the other? |
| 10:25:58 | markun | do which one do you have? |
| 10:26:04 | markun | so which one do you have? |
| 10:26:11 | blackbrother | i am using the 0.4.1 now |
| 10:26:17 | markun | which wad file |
| 10:26:19 | blackbrother | now i am downlaoding the latest 1 0.5 |
| 10:26:31 | markun | please tell me the name of the file |
| 10:26:32 | blackbrother | lets just say 0.5 |
| 10:26:46 | blackbrother | freedom iwad0.5 |
| 10:26:59 | Llorean | blackbrother: The official Rockbox doom extras file includes freedoom. |
| 10:27:13 | markun | '10:17 < markun> blackbrother: did you "install rockdoom.wad" ?' |
| 10:27:29 | blackbrother | install? i just dump in the file? |
| 10:27:30 | markun | '10:17 < blackbrother> i got that file' |
| 10:27:33 | blackbrother | into the folder |
| 10:27:55 | blackbrother | what do u mean by instal? |
| 10:28:05 | blackbrother | just paste the file ? |
| 10:28:32 | markun | you tell me you only have 1 wad file, I ask you the name of the file but you refuse to tell me. |
| 10:28:43 | blackbrother | the name of the file is |
| 10:28:44 | markun | is it rockdoom.wad or not? |
| 10:28:51 | nls | linuxstb: I have heard of some vista "safely remove thingy"+itunes bug that would corrupt the filesystem on the ipod unless you ejected the ipod inside itunes, i think he was reffering to that... |
| 10:28:51 | blackbrother | yea |
| 10:29:30 | nls | blackbrother: then you need either freedom.wad or one of the original doom wads |
| 10:29:33 | barrywardell | linuxstb: there's still a problem compiling sansapatcher on mac. same off_t and lseek problem. is the #if on sansaio.h:34 right? |
| 10:29:55 | blackbrother | nls: wats that suppose to mean original doom wads??? |
| 10:30:19 | nls | wads from the doom game. |
| 10:30:33 | blackbrother | nls: i got 1 wad |
| 10:31:09 | nls | blackbrother: did you get the feedoom wad? |
| 10:31:14 | nls | freedoom |
| 10:31:15 | blackbrother | yes |
| 10:31:36 | blackbrother | ohhhhhhhhh i think i got it now |
| 10:31:52 | nls | and did you put it in /.rockbox/doom? |
| 10:31:53 | blackbrother | i need the freedom wad and the rockdoom in the doom folder right? |
| 10:32:01 | nls | yes |
| 10:32:05 | blackbrother | because i only got the freedom in lol |
| 10:32:11 | Llorean | nls: The extras file for doom contains a freedoom wad, rockdoom wad, and the appropriate directory structure already... |
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| 10:32:19 | nls | Llorean: oh |
| 10:32:32 | Llorean | nls: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras |
| 10:32:32 | blackbrother | wow great thx nls and markun |
| 10:33:03 | blackbrother | gonna test in 5 minutes |
| 10:33:14 | blackbrother | eye hurts like hell |
| 10:33:29 | nls | Llorean: next mission for domonoky and rbutil, automated freedoom install ;-) |
| 10:33:52 | * | bluebrother just notices a dark incarnation of his name |
| 10:34:03 | blackbrother | rofl* |
| 10:34:03 | nls | yeah, kinda confusing |
| 10:34:31 | nls | ok, anyone with an archos here, that want to test a patch? |
| 10:34:36 | bluebrother | marking registered users is a nice thing ... |
| 10:34:36 | blackbrother | hey so we cana't add any extra software in rockbox am i right since its ll built in? |
| 10:34:44 | blackbrother | all* |
| 10:34:56 | bluebrother | sorta |
| 10:35:05 | blackbrother | ahh now i understnad brother |
| 10:35:15 | linuxstb | barrywardell: No, that #if is complete nonsense :) |
| 10:35:26 | barrywardell | :) |
| 10:35:29 | bluebrother | the binary stuff is shipped, but some plugins require additional gamedata you need to own |
| 10:35:33 | blackbrother | btw i see a guy in you tube have tons of different clock modes? how do we do it |
| 10:35:38 | bluebrother | like gameboy roms |
| 10:35:48 | bluebrother | different clock modes? |
| 10:35:53 | blackbrother | yea he got atomic clock |
| 10:35:56 | blackbrother | ananlog clock |
| 10:36:03 | blackbrother | ditigtal clock |
| 10:36:04 | bluebrother | ah, the clock plugin? |
| 10:36:07 | markun | bluebrother: I will update the doom wiki page as you are not the only one having so much trouble with it |
| 10:36:07 | blackbrother | yea |
| 10:36:16 | markun | that was for blackbrother :) |
| 10:36:19 | blackbrother | u r an admin? |
| 10:36:25 | bluebrother | press the right button or use the menu ;-) |
| 10:36:37 | blackbrother | oh |
| 10:36:52 | blackbrother | markun give me the link later because i forgot it |
| 10:37:06 | bluebrother | don't know which button is the right one off of my head. Just try. |
| 10:37:17 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Fix committed. |
| 10:37:20 | bluebrother | it's about fun, so just play around with it a bit. It won't bite. |
| 10:37:28 | bluebrother | the worst case is crashing your player. |
| 10:37:50 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Llorean has just tested sansapatcher for me - the full install/uninstall cycle is working fine, so it looks like the OF mi4 image that it creates is fine - i.e. readable by the original bootloader after the uninstall. |
| 10:38:01 | blackbrother | about the clock modes how do i get it bluebrother? |
| 10:38:08 | barrywardell | linuxstb: yes. it's working for me now too |
| 10:38:24 | linuxstb | How's the bootloader looking? |
| 10:38:39 | barrywardell | almost done |
| 10:38:39 | movezig | Could it be that rockbox can't handle UTF-8 in mp3 tags? |
| 10:38:54 | barrywardell | i know i said that last night too, but it really is this time! |
| 10:38:54 | bluebrother | blackbrother: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1860008.4.4 |
| 10:39:13 | linuxstb | movezig: I may be wrong, but I think you need to tell Rockbox to use utf8 - in the "codepage" setting. |
| 10:39:23 | movezig | Ok, tthanks |
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| 10:42:51 | blackbrother | whahahahaah i got doom working |
| 10:42:58 | blackbrother | but how do i move back? |
| 10:43:32 | nls | movezig: look for the default codepage setting, but having that set wrong shouldn't crash anyway... |
| 10:43:44 | bluebrother | blackbrother: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 10:44:13 | blackbrother | bluebrother:thx |
| 10:45:16 | nls | FS #6159 needs testingn on archoses, I do really think it should go in soon |
| 10:46:19 | movezig | Ok, that worked. Thanks. |
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| 10:46:55 | pondlife | nls: Is Archos testing the only thing holding that up? |
| 10:47:12 | pondlife | I'd like to see it committed too. |
| 10:47:44 | nls | pondlife: it works fine for me and no-one has reported any other problems, so I guess so :-) |
| 10:47:53 | GodEater | markun: is star on the gigabeat still broken ? |
| 10:47:54 | LinusN | nls: is it even possible to test it on archos, since the voice file is so big :-) |
| 10:47:58 | pixelma | nls: think I cannot test it somehow... because a usual recent voice file just fits so... |
| 10:48:07 | markun | GodEater: I didn't fix it |
| 10:48:32 | nls | LinusN: , pixelma shouldn't it be possible with lower quality/higher compression? |
| 10:48:44 | LinusN | possibly |
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| 10:49:02 | pixelma | nls: also splashes couldn't be voiced when music is playing... |
| 10:50:06 | nls | pixelma: for archoses? |
| 10:50:36 | pondlife | As long as it doesn't interfere with playback in this case... |
| 10:50:40 | pixelma | yes for hwcodec: you only have one MAS |
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| 10:53:39 | nls | LinusN: the lang cleanup will exclude over 50 voice entries for hwcodec, so if this patch makes the voice files not fit, they should fit again once the cleanup is comitted, is it ok to break it for a while? |
| 10:53:57 | pondlife | Why not do the cleanup first? |
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| 10:54:11 | pixelma | I would prefer that too |
| 10:54:16 | LinusN | me too |
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| 10:54:46 | nls | pondlife: because the cleanup depends on a lang build system bug that is apparently not easily fixed, but sure I can wait :-) |
| 10:54:48 | pixelma | pondlife: for the record - I believe you even got further than me with the tex4ht install... it still doesn't even find htlatex here :/ (don't know where I went wrong) |
| 10:55:00 | dan333 | hey should I run setup.exe and just reinstall all the packages to try and fix my cygwin problem |
| 10:55:13 | preglow | blind and a programmer, sounds like someone with quite a brain |
| 10:55:26 | pondlife | pixelma: I had to rename htlatex.bat to htlatex IIRC |
| 10:55:34 | pondlife | Not that it helped :( |
| 10:55:41 | nls | I'll just mark this as depending on the cleanup and we'll have a nice dependency tree :-D |
| 10:55:47 | pondlife | Something like that anyway |
| 10:56:32 | pondlife | nls: (or anyone) Can you give me more details on this "lang build system bug"...? |
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| 10:56:47 | preglow | how does an archos behave with a 1.5 meg voice file anyway? |
| 10:56:52 | preglow | i mean, 500kb for buffer? |
| 10:56:56 | nls | pondlife: FS #6652 |
| 10:57:02 | pixelma | nls: what would happen with the recent patch (on Archos) if it tries to voice a splash during playback? Is it checked? |
| 10:57:07 | pondlife | Thanks |
| 10:57:26 | pixelma | preglow: you either have a voice file in the buffer - or playback |
| 10:57:50 | amiconn | preglow: Hwcodec can't do voice and playback at the same time anyway |
| 10:57:55 | preglow | amiconn: right |
| 10:58:05 | nls | pixelma: afaict it hasn't been tested on archos at all |
| 10:58:11 | preglow | so if you stop playback and enter some menus, there's a lag while the voice file is loaded? |
| 10:58:16 | amiconn | pixelma: Nothing. The voice code just returns when music is playing |
| 10:59:04 | * | preglow hugs swcodec |
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| 10:59:21 | pixelma | preglow: the actual available is quite below 2MB at the moment (for example 1,39MB on my backlight modded Ondio) |
| 10:59:37 | pixelma | but I never noticed a lag... ;) |
| 10:59:56 | nls | pixelma: the ondio has no disk to spin up |
| 10:59:58 | blackbrother | how do i play movies in an ipod video using rockbox? |
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| 11:00:08 | amiconn | preglow: Most of the time there is no extra delay, because stopping playback spins up the disk, and when it drops to the menu the disk is still spinning |
| 11:00:18 | pixelma | nls: that's why the ;) ... :P |
| 11:00:24 | linuxstb | blackbrother: Just select them in the file browser - see this page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
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| 11:00:48 | amiconn | On Ondio there used to be a delay because of the slow disk access, but that's worked around by loading the clips on demand |
| 11:01:05 | linuxstb | blackbrother: But note that on the ipod video, you'll get much better results for video playback with Apple's firmware, not Rockbox. |
| 11:01:24 | blackbrother | lol but to sync it takes almost 2 hours for me |
| 11:02:03 | amiconn | Compatibility to loading the whole voice file at once is retained: It loads the header, and then loads each single clip when it's used for the first time, to the position in memory where it belongs |
| 11:03:02 | blackbrother | so u tellin me to play videos thru the normal way? |
| 11:03:06 | LinusN | yes |
| 11:03:46 | blackbrother | is the refresh rate slower if we play thru rockbox? |
| 11:03:56 | LinusN | much slower |
| 11:04:00 | blackbrother | dam |
| 11:04:03 | linuxstb | Did you read the page I linked to? That explains it. |
| 11:04:04 | blackbrother | ahh ok then |
| 11:04:10 | blackbrother | not yet =) |
| 11:04:18 | blackbrother | that summarises 10 pages ^^ |
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| 11:05:13 | blackbrother | wow 10fps rofl |
| 11:05:19 | blackbrother | thats really lagin |
| 11:05:48 | linuxstb | That's because it's just using the main CPU, not the dedicated video decoding chip that the Apple firmware uses. |
| 11:07:19 | Ctcp | Ignored 4 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 11:07:19 | * | barrywardell loads an OF mi4 patched by sansapatcher :) |
| 11:07:34 | linuxstb | Hurray :) From the firmware partition? |
| 11:07:44 | blackbrother | rofl |
| 11:08:01 | blackbrother | luckily bluyebrother cisn't here to see this |
| 11:08:31 | bluebrother | who? |
| 11:08:37 | blackbrother | umm |
| 11:08:40 | bluebrother | *g* |
| 11:09:11 | barrywardell | yes |
| 11:09:14 | blackbrother | =P |
| 11:09:21 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Is the CRC checking OK now? |
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| 11:09:33 | barrywardell | yes, that was the last problem I had to solve |
| 11:09:50 | barrywardell | it also loads /System/OF.mi4 as a backup |
| 11:10:00 | barrywardell | then /System/OF.bin and a second backup |
| 11:10:06 | | Quit hannesd__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 11:11:14 | barrywardell | Is there any way in Rockbox to check the number of partitions on a disk? |
| 11:11:23 | linuxstb | barrywardell: This may be useful - http://www.efn.org/~rick/work/u-boot/lib_arm/crc32.S |
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| 11:11:50 | bluebrother | barrywardell: the debug menu can display it |
| 11:11:54 | linuxstb | barrywardell: You can read the partition table info, and count how many valid entries there are. |
| 11:12:04 | dan333 | what applications can I use to add patches |
| 11:12:10 | bluebrother | dan333: patch |
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| 11:12:18 | linuxstb | barrywardell: What do you need to check? |
| 11:12:20 | bluebrother | it's a command line tool |
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| 11:12:50 | bluebrother | linuxstd: please stop changing nicks all the time |
| 11:13:00 | barrywardell | i want to check for the hidden partition. right now I'm doing it by checking the type of the second partition |
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| 11:13:34 | linuxstb | I'm not sure you even need to do that - if there isn't a second partition, the bootloader won't be started anyway. |
| 11:13:34 | blackbrother | aight |
| 11:14:02 | bluebrother | most of us here are doing other things the same time so it is quite confusing |
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| 11:14:15 | bluebrother | and disturbs the development process somewhat ;-) |
| 11:14:29 | barrywardell | linuxstb: there isn't a second partition on H10... |
| 11:14:42 | barrywardell | or possibly on e200r |
| 11:15:00 | dan333 | was someone going to help me with my cygwin problem? |
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| 11:15:33 | iwantanimac | dan333: cygwin never worked for me. get the VMWare image. heaps easier. |
| 11:15:53 | dan333 | I use a screenreader and only cygwin works I think |
| 11:15:55 | blackbrother | wats cygin? |
| 11:16:17 | bluebrother | blackbrother: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygwin |
| 11:16:17 | dan333 | cygwin |
| 11:16:43 | iwantanimac | a set of unix binaries ported to windows... sorta |
| 11:17:35 | blackbrother | wats it used for? |
| 11:17:42 | blackbrother | in rockbox? |
| 11:17:46 | bluebrother | you can e.g. use it for building rockbox |
| 11:18:07 | blackbrother | anyone using ipod linux? |
| 11:18:20 | blackbrother | my ipodlinux is i think u can call it messed up |
| 11:18:37 | bluebrother | ipl refused to install on my ipod yesterday |
| 11:18:43 | * | iwantanimac points out the channel you're on. |
| 11:19:11 | blackbrother | lol but i got it installed =P |
| 11:19:26 | blackbrother | wat ipod u usin? |
| 11:19:41 | bluebrother | mini 2G |
| 11:19:42 | iwantanimac | shuffle *giggles* |
| 11:19:57 | blackbrother | hmm i got the tutorial for a 5g |
| 11:20:01 | bluebrother | hehe |
| 11:20:01 | blackbrother | really useful |
| 11:20:04 | blackbrother | want it? |
| 11:20:15 | bluebrother | nah |
| 11:20:18 | blackbrother | ^^ aight |
| 11:20:32 | iwantanimac | i'm sure the manual is simple enough to follow. if my friend chris could install Rockbox on his 5g |
| 11:20:40 | iwantanimac | then anyone could... seriously. |
| 11:21:01 | bluebrother | The manual is. I know for sure :P |
| 11:21:04 | nls | iwantanimac: you must be underestimating your friend the ;-) |
| 11:21:12 | nls | n |
| 11:21:27 | iwantanimac | well kinda =P |
| 11:21:48 | bluebrother | anyone swapped the battery in the mini 2G? Is it the same as the mini 1G? |
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| 11:22:01 | movezig | nls: Thanks for the help. Adding all Albums one by one worked perfectly. Now I'll never know what happened. But that's Ok :) |
| 11:22:10 | amiconn | "Fork the code between HWCODEC and SWCODEC to optimise the two development strands" <= who added this weird idea?? |
| 11:22:24 | nls | movezig: heh, ok, that works... :-) |
| 11:22:28 | amiconn | I think code should be unified rather than forked |
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| 11:23:25 | amiconn | There already is a target which pretty much requires it - the AV3xx |
| 11:23:30 | blackbrother | hey anyone changed a 5g ipod battery?? is it even possible? |
| 11:23:36 | nls | amiconn: it seems like EddyCorman added that, latest rev |
| 11:23:38 | amiconn | (if that port ever takes up speed - linuxstb??) |
| 11:24:06 | * | linuxstb_ replaces LinusN under the rockbox rock |
| 11:24:37 | LinusN | i think SoC project suggestions should be at least sanctioned by the core dev community before entering that list |
| 11:24:42 | preglow | LinusN: me too |
| 11:24:48 | * | bluebrother hates websites being to unspecific |
| 11:24:52 | preglow | the forking thing sounds stupid |
| 11:24:53 | * | amiconn reminds everyone that there is another virtually dead port - the tatung elio |
| 11:24:55 | preglow | and should be removed |
| 11:25:03 | dan333 | If i installed vmware image and I could find a screanreader would it work with vmware image |
| 11:25:15 | dan333 | a linux screenreader |
| 11:25:30 | bluebrother | dan333: I don't know, but you could connect to the vmware using ssh. |
| 11:25:35 | blackbrother | hey |
| 11:25:46 | pixelma | EddyCorman also revived the idea of the "CompiledSkinProposal" - I thought that was already abandoned |
| 11:25:53 | bluebrother | I'm pretty sure there is a ssh client for windows out there that works nicely with screenreaders |
| 11:26:08 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: As I've got no immediate intentions of working on the Elio, you think it should be removed? |
| 11:26:32 | dan333 | what's ssh. |
| 11:26:47 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: I'm happy to do that, and then perhaps post it to flyspray instead. |
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| 11:26:56 | preglow | linuxstb_: has any non-trivial code been done for it at all? |
| 11:27:32 | LinusN | dan333: secure shell, a way to log in to a remote computer over an encrypted channel |
| 11:28:35 | dan333 | is it hard to setup |
| 11:28:49 | linuxstb_ | preglow: I can't remember anything significant. Although it does have one use - the bootloader build can be used as a "generic" portalplayer build which is useful for experimenting on new portalplayer targets. |
| 11:29:14 | nls | LinusN: couldn't you set some sort of edit restrictions on the SoC page and tell people to come here with their ideas? |
| 11:29:24 | LinusN | good idea |
| 11:29:32 | linuxstb_ | i.e. the bootloader should run on any PP5020/1/2 target - there's no LCD or button code. |
| 11:29:44 | bluebrother | dan333: not at all. The server is running in the vmware, and the client is simply to run a program |
| 11:29:52 | bluebrother | putty is a widely used one |
| 11:30:17 | preglow | linuxstb_: no lcd or button code? what use does it have then? |
| 11:30:28 | linuxstb_ | disk reading and writing... |
| 11:30:34 | preglow | good point |
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| 11:31:37 | linuxstb_ | The port is really just lacking an LCD driver. I can read most of the buttons (it has hundreds...) via GPIO, and it's a wolfson codec, so sound should be straightforward. |
| 11:32:18 | * | linuxstb_ should really dig into a disassembly and get the LCD working. |
| 11:32:36 | barrywardell | is it a colour lcd? |
| 11:32:42 | dan333 | if I re run setup.exe and select every package will everything work |
| 11:32:47 | linuxstb_ | Yes - 220x176. |
| 11:33:04 | barrywardell | it should be the same interface as the other pp colour lcds then |
| 11:33:15 | barrywardell | so half the work is done already! |
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| 11:33:28 | linuxstb_ | I'm pretty sure I tried variations on all the existing drivers, although I can't recall what stage the Sansa port was in at the time. |
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| 11:33:59 | amiconn | linuxstb_: Do you have access to the unencrypted of? |
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| 11:34:01 | linuxstb_ | And searching the bootloader, I couldn't find references to any of the usual LCD register addresses. |
| 11:34:14 | NHeal | kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 11:34:14 | NJoin | qwm [0] (n=qwm@h162n1fls34o1010.telia.com) |
| 11:34:17 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Yes - it's an mi4 firmware. Plus an unencrypted bootloader. |
| 11:34:18 | NJoin | preglow [0] (n=thomjoha@hekta.edt.aft.hist.no) |
| 11:34:25 | preglow | what happened... |
| 11:35:00 | bluebrother | netsplit. |
| 11:35:24 | preglow | i even got disconnected |
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| 11:36:04 | preglow | who is rob frowley? |
| 11:36:07 | preglow | frawley |
| 11:36:16 | LinusN | i wish i knew |
| 11:36:21 | bluebrother | I asked that before. Seems nobody knows |
| 11:36:25 | linuxstb_ | I think he's sslashes |
| 11:36:43 | linuxstb_ | (he requested wiki write access early this morning) |
| 11:36:48 | LinusN | doesn't sound like "very much involved" if nobody knows him |
| 11:37:04 | preglow | indeed not |
| 11:37:18 | linuxstb_ | Do we have (or want?) a list of SVN committers? |
| 11:37:18 | petur | I thought mentors needed to have commit access too? |
| 11:37:20 | preglow | someone should just gut out all the surplus stuff and write protect it in some way |
| 11:37:38 | preglow | petur: they need to have commit access and should definitely have had it for some time |
| 11:37:53 | LinusN | yup |
| 11:38:15 | linuxstb_ | Is there some mechanism for preventing anyone registering as a mentor with google? e.g. approval by the person who submitted the application? |
| 11:38:21 | * | linuxstb_ looks at Bagder |
| 11:38:47 | LinusN | anyone can apply, but bagder approves them |
| 11:38:56 | linuxstb_ | OK, good. |
| 11:40:40 | preglow | and some of the projects on the page really aren't big enough |
| 11:40:49 | nls | Re: SoC projects, is it possible to add c++ stuff to rockbox without rewriting to c? |
| 11:40:53 | preglow | like album art |
| 11:41:08 | LinusN | nls: no, not really |
| 11:41:09 | preglow | combine it with metadata on buffer, and you might have something |
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| 11:41:24 | * | amiconn was too slow |
| 11:41:25 | Llorean | preglow: Considering Album Art is technically done |
| 11:41:32 | preglow | nls: you pretty much need to wrap the c++ in c |
| 11:41:38 | preglow | nls: and disable stuff like exceptions and rtti |
| 11:41:46 | LinusN | and dynamic memory |
| 11:41:51 | preglow | yeah, that too |
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| 11:42:02 | preglow | but that can be done pretty simply by overloading new/delete and using our own malloc |
| 11:42:12 | nls | preglow, LinusN: eSpeak is c++ and if we want that included in rockbox it seems like a pretty major undertaking |
| 11:42:22 | preglow | nls: i've heard that uses few major c++ features |
| 11:42:23 | LinusN | lovely |
| 11:42:49 | preglow | but for a core feature, it'll have to be rewritten |
| 11:42:49 | nls | wow, espeak does swedish :-) |
| 11:42:55 | LinusN | kewl |
| 11:43:13 | nls | preglow: so wrapping is ok for a plugin for example? |
| 11:44:06 | PaulJam | Slasheri: are you there? |
| 11:44:07 | LinusN | nls: however, espeak sounds so awful that you sometimes don't hear what language it is anyway :-) |
| 11:44:31 | nls | ahaha :-) |
| 11:44:47 | petur | I thought you were going to say it sounds so awful that it sounds like Swedish |
| 11:44:51 | * | petur ducks |
| 11:44:53 | preglow | nls: i'd say so, yes, but we'd start building c++ compilers as well, then |
| 11:44:54 | LinusN | bork! bork! |
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| 11:45:09 | preglow | nls: like our c, it also needs to not depend on any standard lib |
| 11:45:31 | preglow | though i guess stl is ok, since it's purely templates |
| 11:45:41 | LinusN | let's not go there |
| 11:45:42 | nls | preglow: but if we only had c++ in plugins we could make a special make target for them :-) |
| 11:45:43 | preglow | all iostream needs to be ported away, obviously |
| 11:46:11 | dan333 | so did anyone answer my question I want to know if I reinstall cygwin and select every package will it be fine and work |
| 11:46:31 | preglow | lucky for you, c++ has almost no non-c standard library that isn't in templates :> |
| 11:46:50 | LinusN | dan333: well, if the first installation didn't work, i don't see how the next attempt would work better |
| 11:47:25 | linuxstb_ | nls: Maybe setting up an environment for writing plugins in C++ could be a SoC project. |
| 11:47:31 | dan333 | maybe I left out a package |
| 11:47:38 | preglow | linuxstb_: not a very big one, though |
| 11:47:39 | LinusN | dan333: possibly |
| 11:47:53 | preglow | sounds like a one-week project to me, tops |
| 11:48:03 | LinusN | dan333: type this: ls /opt/m68k |
| 11:48:29 | LinusN | preglow: and a quite unwanted one too |
| 11:48:47 | nls | linuxstb_: I suggested a scummVM port as a SoC project, and that is c++ so a c++ plugin environment comes as a bonus on that one :-) |
| 11:49:13 | LinusN | in my view, c++ is not a bonus |
| 11:49:15 | preglow | LinusN: if it works, i don't see why it should be unwanted |
| 11:49:25 | preglow | disregarding your irration c++ phobia, that is :> |
| 11:49:26 | * | aliask just found out audio works fine in the rockbox sim under ubuntu. I think I just found a new media player. |
| 11:49:28 | preglow | irattional... |
| 11:49:36 | preglow | irrational... |
| 11:49:40 | * | preglow has coffee |
| 11:49:59 | LinusN | i rest my case |
| 11:50:38 | nls | LinusN: if we require that all the code for something in c++ is rewritten to c it will be hard to sync it when that project changes, but you do of course have veto... |
| 11:50:57 | blackbrother | hey how do i install mame |
| 11:51:03 | preglow | if we can have a clean c++ plugins framework, i see no reason it shouldn't be wanted |
| 11:51:09 | preglow | as far core, though, c is the way to go |
| 11:51:22 | * | amiconn would prefer to stay away from c++ as well |
| 11:51:23 | aliask | blackbrother: Wrong place to ask - I don't think many people here would know. |
| 11:51:39 | preglow | amiconn: then don't work on the c++ plugins |
| 11:51:42 | blackbrother | its part of rockbox right? |
| 11:51:53 | LinusN | blackbrother: no |
| 11:52:04 | austriancoder | the core should be in c, but the applications on top (plugins) could be in c++ |
| 11:52:05 | dan333 | is the command eggyls /opt/m68k Eimann |
| 11:52:06 | blackbrother | ohh |
| 11:52:25 | blackbrother | sorry i don't understnad wat u guys r sayin |
| 11:52:42 | LinusN | blackbrother: rockbox does not run mame |
| 11:52:54 | blackbrother | i do see pacman tho =P |
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| 11:53:10 | austriancoder | at the moment i am working at a company build measurement instruments and they also have a core in c and the apps using it are in c++ |
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| 11:55:07 | markun | LinusN: don't be so hard on espeak :) |
| 11:55:12 | LinusN | :-) |
| 11:55:35 | preglow | austriancoder: sure, i don't see a problem for it, if someone makes it work: good, great, we now have more code we can use |
| 11:55:36 | markun | I made a little change to the dutch pronounciation of the 'r' which made a huge difference |
| 11:55:48 | markun | I think it would probably help with swedish as well |
| 11:55:49 | preglow | i'd say the bloody same thing for java or python plugins |
| 11:56:06 | LinusN | if anyone succeeds in making c++ work for all platforms, i will listen |
| 11:56:08 | markun | (and german and french) |
| 11:56:21 | preglow | LinusN: why would it be hard to make it work for all platforms? |
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| 11:56:37 | limpbizkit70 | where is the virtual keyboard??? |
| 11:56:41 | preglow | and imagine the high scores we can have when we start getting gcc's template error messages! :P |
| 11:56:56 | LinusN | because you must have runtime libraries and be able to build the c++ compiler |
| 11:57:21 | Llorean | limpbizkit70: It shows up in the screens where you need it, for the most part |
| 11:57:32 | preglow | well, i welcome sometone to try |
| 11:57:35 | markun | I'd prefer to just port espeak to C |
| 11:57:36 | LinusN | me too |
| 11:57:40 | preglow | i sincerely doubt it'll use it, though |
| 11:57:47 | preglow | since i don't port much code |
| 11:57:50 | LinusN | without the "new" operator :-) |
| 11:57:53 | limpbizkit70 | oh |
| 11:58:14 | markun | limpbizkit70: save a file for example |
| 11:58:26 | limpbizkit70 | hmm i really don';t get u guys |
| 11:58:52 | LinusN | actually, the plugins could have their own private memory pool |
| 11:59:10 | LinusN | limpbizkit70: ? |
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| 11:59:23 | blackbrother | wats that mean |
| 11:59:27 | preglow | LinusN: i was thinking more along the lines of just always letting c++ plugins have the mp3 buffer :> |
| 11:59:49 | blackbrother | ????? |
| 11:59:59 | markun | blackbrother: ah, it was you again :) |
| 12:00 |
| 12:00:04 | markun | figures :) |
| 12:00:08 | blackbrother | yea |
| 12:00:08 | LinusN | preglow: well, that wouldn't help espeak much, would it? |
| 12:00:15 | james_75 | Hey does anyone know if there is a way to use the alarm with out sighted asisstents on the ipod nano? |
| 12:00:15 | blackbrother | yea |
| 12:00:37 | blackbrother | ipod linux irc is so dead nobody is answerin lol |
| 12:00:44 | LinusN | james_75: no speech in the alarm setting screen? |
| 12:00:51 | james_75 | No |
| 12:00:52 | amiconn | preglow: Problem is, most plugin authors only have one (or a few) targets. In order to make them cross platform, other devs need to adapt them |
| 12:00:58 | markun | blackbrother: so, what do you want to do with the virtual keyboard? |
| 12:01:09 | blackbrother | markun: type stuff |
| 12:01:32 | james_75 | When I go in to it it does not have nay speech at all |
| 12:01:52 | markun | blackbrother: you want to type a text? |
| 12:01:56 | blackbrother | yea |
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| 12:02:15 | LinusN | amiconn, preglow: and in my experience, people who feel they need to program in C++ generally have no clue the limitations of embedded programming |
| 12:02:19 | markun | well, you need an editor, not just a keyboard for that |
| 12:02:26 | preglow | LinusN: espeak will be core anyway, i presume |
| 12:02:31 | preglow | LinusN: so needs to be translated to c |
| 12:02:51 | LinusN | preglow: possibly |
| 12:02:51 | markun | having espeak as a plugin would be a nice start |
| 12:02:55 | pixelma | markun: btw. the swedish 'r' sounds quite different from the german 'r' - don't know how it compares to the others |
| 12:03:08 | preglow | LinusN: i see this more as a way to be able to port c++ stuff at all |
| 12:03:19 | blackbrother | markun: so how do i get it? |
| 12:03:20 | LinusN | yes |
| 12:03:34 | preglow | LinusN: rewriting a big project like scummvm (which uses several nasty c++ features) will never happen |
| 12:03:46 | dan333 | should I just try rerunning setup.exe |
| 12:03:58 | dan333 | to fix my cygwin |
| 12:04:02 | LinusN | preglow: true |
| 12:04:10 | PaulJam | blackbrother: there is a plugin called text_editor |
| 12:04:13 | markun | blackbrother: I see a plugin called "text_editor" but I've never tried it |
| 12:04:18 | iwantanimac | dan333: what's the problem? |
| 12:04:19 | preglow | people want to write c++ because that's what they use, and yes, very few people have any idea what limitations you're facing when doing embedded stuff |
| 12:04:31 | blackbrother | markun: so where can i get it |
| 12:04:42 | markun | blackbrother: in the "plugins" section |
| 12:04:48 | preglow | they should of course be told to use c for new stuff |
| 12:04:50 | markun | should be easy to find |
| 12:04:56 | LinusN | preglow: absolutely |
| 12:04:58 | preglow | anyway, i have a feeling this won't materialise anyway :> |
| 12:05:08 | LinusN | preglow: i share that feeling |
| 12:05:37 | LinusN | preglow: i think it goes in the line of my wma golden quote |
| 12:06:09 | blackbrother | markun: ok i'll look for it |
| 12:06:11 | preglow | depends, you can want to port scummvm and still have a clue |
| 12:06:21 | preglow | but something along those lines, yes |
| 12:06:23 | blackbrother | is there a calculator too? |
| 12:06:35 | nls | blackbrother: check the manual |
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| 12:07:35 | blackbrother | where is text_editor? |
| 12:07:36 | LinusN | blackbrother: are you sighted? |
| 12:07:37 | markun | blackbrother: it's better to ask questions after you've looked and still didn't find anything |
| 12:07:53 | blackbrother | i loked and still didn't find |
| 12:08:04 | Llorean | blackbrother: It's highly recommended you read the manual. |
| 12:08:05 | blackbrother | am in the plugin index |
| 12:08:13 | markun | blackbrother: it's under 't' |
| 12:08:23 | linuxstb_ | It isn't a viewer? |
| 12:08:25 | dan333 | hat happens if u go in the alarm thing |
| 12:08:30 | LinusN | and "calculator" is under "c" |
| 12:08:38 | markun | linuxstb_: is it? |
| 12:08:44 | linuxstb_ | markun: I don't know... |
| 12:08:49 | nls | linuxstb_: it's in the list |
| 12:08:58 | markun | for me too |
| 12:09:02 | linuxstb_ | Ah, so it's probably both a viewer and a plugin - to allow new files to be created. |
| 12:09:17 | * | linuxstb_ keeps quiet |
| 12:09:53 | dan333 | if I didn't install some of the cygwin packages would I be getting errors when selecting normal build |
| 12:10:00 | blackbrother | whcih 1 is it? |
| 12:10:11 | blackbrother | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/text_editor.c?view=log&pathrev=12122 |
| 12:10:19 | | Part mzp |
| 12:10:21 | LinusN | dan333: it depends, but generally no |
| 12:10:26 | markun | blackbrother: ah, you were looking for the source code? |
| 12:10:30 | iwantanimac | dan333: possibly |
| 12:10:31 | blackbrother | hmm |
| 12:10:32 | markun | be more specific next time |
| 12:10:37 | blackbrother | aight |
| 12:10:48 | markun | we thought you just wanted to run it in rockbox |
| 12:10:54 | blackbrother | i do |
| 12:11:11 | markun | you don't need to download it |
| 12:11:11 | * | nls tears his hair out |
| 12:11:14 | blackbrother | but my search went intot the sorce code area |
| 12:11:24 | markun | blackbrother: it's included in the rockbox install |
| 12:11:29 | markun | just run it |
| 12:11:36 | blackbrother | under plugins? |
| 12:11:37 | LinusN | blackbrother: listen carefully: if the plugin works for your target, it will be included in the installation ZIP file |
| 12:11:43 | dan333 | s there ever gonna speech for the text editer |
| 12:11:51 | markun | dan333: why not? |
| 12:12:01 | markun | when espeak is ported.. |
| 12:12:32 | blackbrother | wats up with my ipod it has a battery sign and an exclaimation mark |
| 12:12:49 | LinusN | blackbrother: low battery? |
| 12:12:57 | pixelma | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-2000008.4.10 |
| 12:12:58 | bluebrother | blackbrother: please read the manual |
| 12:13:16 | blackbrother | ok blue brother |
| 12:13:19 | dan333 | also someone said something about tts in rockbox is that right |
| 12:13:20 | barrywardell | my arm asm isn't great. can anyone help me with how to use this with Rockbox: http://www.efn.org/~rick/work/u-boot/lib_arm/crc32.S |
| 12:14:08 | markun | dan333: that's what I was talking about. espeak is a tts program |
| 12:15:14 | dan333 | has any work being done on this and how long do u think it would take |
| 12:15:42 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: Is the current CRC checking noticably slow? |
| 12:16:02 | markun | dan333: 1) not really 2) depends on a lot of things |
| 12:16:19 | dan333 | exit |
| 12:16:26 | dan333 | sorry |
| 12:16:31 | markun | use /quit |
| 12:16:31 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: Also, going back to your partition table question, can't you just surround the reading of the OF from the second partiion by #ifdef SANSA_E200 ? |
| 12:16:31 | dan333 | got to go |
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| 12:16:53 | barrywardell | not when loading rockbox, but it is maybe 0.5-1 second for the OF |
| 12:17:02 | linuxstb_ | Ouch... |
| 12:17:09 | james_75 | quit |
| 12:17:13 | james_75 | sorry |
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| 12:17:37 | iwantanimac | two people in less'n a minute - both using the same client. yeesh. |
| 12:18:03 | markun | who are these freedomchat guys.. |
| 12:18:04 | barrywardell | well, that's reading the firmware and doing the crc... |
| 12:18:45 | linuxstb_ | You could test by disabling the CRC check - maybe the C implementation is fast enough... |
| 12:19:53 | linuxstb_ | Also, is the CPU boosted in the bootloader? |
| 12:21:00 | barrywardell | no, no boosting in the bootloader, I could add that |
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| 12:22:53 | brownie17 | hi. can i get a hand? i recently installed rockbox on my 30gb ipod video, and atm the whole thing is frozen. just wanna know how i can turn it off so i can fix it |
| 12:23:19 | bluebrother | press and hold Menu + select |
| 12:23:27 | bluebrother | at least for a couple of seconds. |
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| 12:25:06 | brownie17 | yeah thanks i had actually tried that earlier, but it worked this time |
| 12:25:48 | bluebrother | you need to hold it for quite a while, and it seems to be a different time sometimes |
| 12:26:00 | GodEater | I've had to hold it for 45 seconds sometimes |
| 12:26:06 | brownie17 | oh okay |
| 12:26:07 | brownie17 | strange |
| 12:26:08 | brownie17 | thanks though |
| 12:26:14 | brownie17 | i was getting a little worried |
| 12:26:34 | brownie17 | i have another question, not that i really care, and i guess you probably don't even know, but does installed rockbox void an apple warranty? |
| 12:26:40 | linuxstb_ | There's never a need to worry - ipods are resilient beasts. |
| 12:26:52 | GodEater | brownie17: it might do if you sent it back to them with it still installed |
| 12:27:00 | GodEater | brownie17: but it's pretty easy to get rid of it too |
| 12:27:04 | markun | LinusN, preglow: hm, the memory consumption is a lot more than I expected: https://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=4209622 |
| 12:27:21 | brownie17 | GodEater, good point, alright. good night lads, music is pumping away again |
| 12:27:22 | markun | but maybe we can bring it down a lot |
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| 12:27:46 | linuxstb_ | markun: 1MB isn't too bad though. |
| 12:28:32 | markun | linuxstb_: and a ARM(9?) at '28 MHz' sounds quite ok |
| 12:28:52 | markun | and I'm sure he didn't try very hard to optimize it for speed if it runs fine on a 200MHz machine |
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| 12:31:56 | linuxstb_ | One implementation idea - we could create a special plugin buffer (e.g. 1MB) at the end of RAM (but before the codec and plugin buffers). The espeak plugin would be loaded there if enabled by the user (and hence available at all times), otherwise the space would be used in the audio buffer as it is currently. |
| 12:34:15 | markun | linuxstb_: maybe an idea to create a wiki for TTS/espeak ideas? |
| 12:34:21 | dukeman | http://daniel.haxx.se down? |
| 12:34:35 | barrywardell | linuxstb_: the crc32 takes 2,137,076usec both with and without boosting |
| 12:38:00 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: That sounds like an odd result... |
| 12:38:25 | barrywardell | well, give or take a couple of usecs |
| 12:38:25 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: that's a bit like what i was thinking about for album art before MoB |
| 12:38:51 | austriancoder | dukeman: no |
| 12:39:05 | dukeman | Strange |
| 12:39:12 | dukeman | no, now it works |
| 12:39:23 | dukeman | Couldn't reach it at all 10 minutes ago |
| 12:39:45 | Nico_P | linuxstb_: there's a filebufend pointer that could be moved |
| 12:39:54 | blackbrother | rofl |
| 12:40:02 | barrywardell | linuxstb_: it's not odd if the sansa is already running at the max frequency. or if frequency scaling isn't working right on the sansa |
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| 12:41:48 | blackbrother | i guess this is it |
| 12:41:53 | blackbrother | thx for everything |
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| 12:42:10 | blackbrother | laters |
| 12:42:54 | markun | bye |
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| 12:45:12 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: Going back to incorporating that ARM asm version, I think you'll need to look in the Linux kernel source for the other files - e.g. the crctab that it needs. Apart from that, you can probably just add it to bootloader/SOURCES, and define the prototype somewhere as defined in the comment in the .S file. |
| 12:46:03 | linuxstb_ | But maybe leave that as future work? |
| 12:46:21 | barrywardell | yeah, i'll leave that so someone with more knowledge of ARM asm |
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| 12:47:03 | brun0_ | hello |
| 12:47:15 | brun0_ | what prevents rockbox to run on ipod nano v2 ? |
| 12:47:24 | preglow | where do we need to crc? |
| 12:47:29 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: But apart from that, is it looking good? Any bugs remaining? |
| 12:47:34 | preglow | brun0_: the total and complete lack of documentation on the hardware |
| 12:47:47 | linuxstb_ | preglow: In the Sansa bootloader to check the CRC of the original firmware. |
| 12:47:47 | barrywardell | yes, no bugs I can find. I'll post a patch in a second |
| 12:47:49 | preglow | brun0_: plus the fact that apple has encrypted absolutely everything, keeping us from finding the info on our own |
| 12:48:05 | brun0_ | the first gen wasn't encrypted ? |
| 12:48:10 | preglow | brun0_: no |
| 12:48:14 | linuxstb_ | brun0_: The 2nd gen Nano is completely different hardware to earlier ipods... |
| 12:48:19 | brun0_ | ok |
| 12:48:31 | brun0_ | so it's really and apple decision against rockbox/ipodlinux ? |
| 12:48:35 | brun0_ | s/and/an |
| 12:48:44 | preglow | i think it's more apple figting against hardware pirates |
| 12:48:50 | preglow | but we're hit as a consequence |
| 12:48:56 | brun0_ | ok |
| 12:49:01 | barrywardell | ok. who wants to test this on sansa/h10: http://pastebin.ca/397306 |
| 12:49:01 | preglow | but no one knows for sure |
| 12:49:36 | barrywardell | i've tested on my own sansa and H10, but may have missed something |
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| 12:53:55 | markun | linuxstb_: the list of players is becoming quite big for these platforms: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SamsungSA58 |
| 12:53:58 | brun0_ | how do you do to develop rockbox for a new hardware ? |
| 12:54:02 | brun0_ | step by step ? |
| 12:54:29 | daurnimator | are there any targets with SD slots? |
| 12:54:42 | markun | brun0_: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 12:54:50 | Llorean | daurnimator: MicroSD on the Sansa, and MMC on the Ondio, are the closest. |
| 12:55:00 | daurnimator | damn :P |
| 12:55:10 | daurnimator | any possible targets with one |
| 12:55:25 | Llorean | Why is it important that it be SD specifically? |
| 12:55:34 | markun | daurnimator: Nintendo DS? |
| 12:55:40 | daurnimator | specifically, SDIO |
| 12:55:43 | brun0_ | thanks |
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| 12:59:54 | markun | daurnimator: would be a lot easier than USB, right? |
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| 13:00:10 | daurnimator | should be |
| 13:00:20 | daurnimator | also less bulky |
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| 13:02:28 | linuxstb | daurnimator: The Tatung Elio has a SD slot...http://www.pcpro.co.uk/shopper/reviews/74297/tatung-elio.html :) |
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| 13:04:30 | daurnimator | oh |
| 13:04:42 | daurnimator | reckon MicroSD in sansa is SDIO? |
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| 13:04:59 | barrywardell | linuxstb_: I think sansapatcher should write the rb model and type strings to the mi4 header of the relocated OF |
| 13:05:24 | markun | daurnimator: do you need special hardware for it? |
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| 13:05:37 | daurnimator | not sure |
| 13:05:42 | markun | I thought it would just be memory mapped IO |
| 13:07:00 | daurnimator | wouldn't this be fun on a sansa?: http://www.spectec.com.tw/sdw823.htm |
| 13:07:06 | markun | daurnimator: looks like it will not always work no: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card#SDIO |
| 13:08:40 | daurnimator | it usually just needs some obscure drivers on a portable platform |
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| 13:13:18 | linuxstb | barrywardell (for the logs): That would be easy to add, but why do you want it there? It's not a Rockbox file. |
| 13:13:51 | linuxstb | barrywardell: That OF should never leave the firmware partition, so I'm not sure why it would be useful. |
| 13:14:10 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:19:06 | amiconn | 188mA avg. current. Quite a lot compared to the normal runcurrent of our targets |
| 13:19:10 | * | GodEater attempts to install wxGTK-2.8.2 onto Gentoo with a self-hacked ebuild |
| 13:19:39 | markun | amiconn: with the M5L and the backlight on? |
| 13:20:29 | amiconn | No, the MicroSD wifi card daurnimator linked to |
| 13:21:37 | daurnimator | isn't it standard SD? |
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| 13:23:47 | * | pixelma wonders (?) why there are now short stops when scrolling long lists on her Ondio... |
| 13:24:42 | amiconn | pixelma: Database list(s)? |
| 13:24:50 | pixelma | though I have to admit that I've never scrolled such a long list before... |
| 13:24:58 | pixelma | ...yes "all artists" |
| 13:24:59 | B4gder | daurnimator: "micro SDIO" |
| 13:25:15 | B4gder | the physical size given also seems to be a micro SD size |
| 13:25:37 | amiconn | The stops in the database lists are due to chunked browsing |
| 13:26:19 | B4gder | and even the logo on the card itself says micro ;-) |
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| 13:26:34 | amiconn | If there are more ntries in the database list than the setting "max files in dir browser" specifies, the databse loads the list in chunks |
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| 13:26:53 | pixelma | ah... didn't know that, sorry |
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| 13:32:15 | B4gder | linus and Llorean I made you co-admins of the gsoc stuff on google |
| 13:32:24 | B4gder | LinusN even |
| 13:32:38 | LinusN | wooooo |
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| 13:33:08 | B4gder | and I've accepted a bunch of mentors now |
| 13:34:51 | LinusN | woooo again |
| 13:36:51 | B4gder | did you get any mail when I accepted you? |
| 13:38:20 | LinusN | not me |
| 13:39:05 | B4gder | well, maybe they don't do that |
| 13:39:44 | daurnimator | B4gder: "[23:20:31] <daurnimator> isn't it standard SD?" was in relation to "[23:18:00] <amiconn> 188mA avg. current. " |
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| 13:39:54 | B4gder | oh |
| 13:40:07 | daurnimator | rephrased: "aren't all SD cards run at that current" |
| 13:40:10 | B4gder | I would assume a wifi card to use a lot more than a mere memory card |
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| 13:40:22 | daurnimator | wifi card use is constant |
| 13:40:26 | thewho | When I'm listening to music (H120) and go to the playlist (via conext menu), pressing PLAY doesn't bring me back to WPS. Is it a bug or a feature? |
| 13:40:31 | daurnimator | memory card access would be periodical |
| 13:40:41 | B4gder | and that number is "average" |
| 13:41:00 | thewho | ...as in "View current playlist" |
| 13:41:05 | nls | thewho: well, it's always been this way... dunno if you'd call it bug or feature |
| 13:41:06 | B4gder | and I doubt the wifi card spends that current constantly |
| 13:41:25 | LinusN | thewho: the playlist viewer is still a little special |
| 13:41:44 | thewho | LinusN: but is it wanted that way? |
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| 13:42:36 | thewho | I'd expect the PLAY takes me back to WPS as everywhere else |
| 13:44:03 | LinusN | thewho: i think it should go to the wps |
| 13:44:25 | LinusN | the real problem would be the menu button |
| 13:44:31 | thewho | LinusN: me too. I hope JdGordon is reading this ;-) |
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| 13:44:59 | thewho | ....as he's the master of key bindings etc. |
| 13:45:37 | thewho | LinusN: what problem do you mean? |
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| 13:45:51 | LinusN | thewho: the playlist viewer has its own menu |
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| 13:46:04 | LinusN | but we want the menu button to go to the main menu |
| 13:46:58 | Llorean | LinusN: While you're in the main menu (not the settings menu), should you be able to quickmenu? |
| 13:47:01 | nls | LinusN: IMO we could remap the playlist viewer menu to whatever we use to enter the quick menu usually |
| 13:47:03 | thewho | LinusN: aha! Never knew that (never used). But I think it's ok that the playlist has its own menu. But pressing PLAY should return to WPS |
| 13:47:35 | pixelma | nls: thanks - then there would be no playlist viewer menu on Ondio... |
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| 13:48:02 | pixelma | (just saying it's not as easy) |
| 13:48:29 | LinusN | i think it should be possible to merge the menu into the context menu |
| 13:49:01 | nls | pixelma: ah, right... |
| 13:49:21 | nls | Most users never even know that the plalist viewer has a menu tho |
| 13:50:01 | daurnimator | B4gder: anyway, reckon sansa could support it? ;) |
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| 13:50:49 | * | amiconn would rather drop the quickmenu(s) |
| 13:50:55 | B4gder | I don't know the differences and particulars of (micro) SD |
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| 13:55:22 | barrywardell | B4gder: I think there's an error in the "mi4 Header Explained" section on your site. the crc32 starts at 0x200, not 0x1c |
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| 13:57:20 | B4gder | that doesn't make sense |
| 13:57:23 | B4gder | the mi4 header is only some 0x40 bytes big |
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| 13:57:40 | Marty_Kubuntu | hello |
| 13:57:47 | Marty_Kubuntu | i have a question |
| 13:57:48 | barrywardell | i mean the crc is calculated from 0x200 |
| 13:57:53 | markun | B4gder: I applied to be a mentor, now I just have to hope I will be accepted :) |
| 13:58:05 | B4gder | ah, _from_ 0x200 oh yes |
| 13:58:37 | B4gder | markun: you haven't appeared in my list (yet) |
| 13:59:08 | Marty_Kubuntu | i'm using rockbox with my Iaudio X5L, can i still boot the iaudio firmware ? |
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| 14:00:01 | B4gder | barrywardell: thanks, updated the page now |
| 14:00:07 | markun | B4gder: now I should be |
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| 14:00:38 | B4gder | markun: and you are now accepted |
| 14:01:00 | nls | Marty_Kubuntu: not with the official bootloader |
| 14:01:20 | markun | thanks! |
| 14:01:21 | nls | there is an unsupported version somwhere that supports it |
| 14:01:33 | petur | B4gder: did you see Robert Frawley II applied as student? |
| 14:01:56 | B4gder | yes |
| 14:02:08 | Marty_Kubuntu | nls: if i'm using rockbox firmware, that's mean i have the rockbox bootloader ;-) |
| 14:02:47 | Marty_Kubuntu | nls: so, how to use iaudio firmware with the rockbox bootloader ? |
| 14:02:53 | nls | Marty_Kubuntu: yes, but there is a modified rockbox bootloader that can dualboot, jus tsaying, I don't remember where it is |
| 14:03:05 | Marty_Kubuntu | ok |
| 14:03:42 | B4gder | imho, we should get those changes into our boot loader, hackish or not |
| 14:03:43 | Llorean | B4gder: Do you know, is the "Comment" feature how we're supposed to try to recommend refinements to the Students at this time? |
| 14:04:08 | B4gder | I don't know, I thought I'd read up on the issue before I use them |
| 14:04:45 | Llorean | I definitely don't think "Customizable controls" are a relevant part of a "WPS and Themeing overhaul" |
| 14:05:02 | Llorean | Even if they were a desired feature, they wouldn't fit the project as described. |
| 14:05:22 | petur | imho they would be a support nightmare |
| 14:05:57 | Llorean | I think most of us agree they'd be pretty nightmarish to support, yes. :) |
| 14:06:22 | Llorean | I really want to elicit more information on just what this person intends with his revamped themeing idea. |
| 14:06:28 | petur | relocating theme files like backgrounds and such should be possible now we store settings in a file (path can be included) |
| 14:07:12 | petur | (the idea of keeping all files of a theme together) |
| 14:07:15 | markun | Llorean: yes, pretty vague so far |
| 14:07:23 | Llorean | I can see a theme/wps theme/backdrop and theme/font subfolder of .rockbox |
| 14:07:34 | Llorean | Err theme/fonts |
| 14:07:35 | Llorean | and theme/backdrops |
| 14:07:41 | Llorean | I'm apparently bad with plurals. |
| 14:08:20 | petur | or one theme per folder and all theme stuff in that folder |
| 14:08:32 | Llorean | I'm not sure I agree with backdrops belonging with the rest of the theme though. |
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| 14:08:43 | Llorean | At least the way things currently stand, backdrops don't have anything to do with the WPS. |
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| 14:09:05 | petur | wps, no but theme, yes |
| 14:09:26 | Llorean | Yes, but I think that's the thing, WPS deserves to be kept separate from "Theme", the concepts shouldn't merge. |
| 14:09:33 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Did you check the crc32 changes with a v2 firmware? I could test on my Elio if you haven't. |
| 14:09:44 | Llorean | A theme should load a WPS and a backdrop, but the user should have the option to separate the two easily. |
| 14:09:55 | Llorean | Especially if Tree/Menu themeing becomes possible. |
| 14:09:57 | barrywardell | linuxstb: no. i don't have access to any device with a v2 firmware |
| 14:10:02 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Also, do you want to make a beta version of sansapatcher available with your bootloader? I can build a win32 version if you can't. |
| 14:10:13 | preglow | sometimes, when my battles against c++ templates are at their worst... |
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| 14:10:34 | blackbrother | any interesting add ons u thing i should get? |
| 14:10:38 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I'm guessing it also needs Rockbox as a .mi4 as well? |
| 14:10:53 | bluebrother | blackbrother: the manual :D |
| 14:11:34 | barrywardell | yeah, sure. I'm thinking about committing the new bootloader |
| 14:11:37 | blackbrother | here we go again with the manual (i read it) |
| 14:11:44 | blackbrother | just now |
| 14:11:50 | bluebrother | hehe |
| 14:12:08 | bluebrother | you just asked for "add ons" ... |
| 14:12:08 | blackbrother | but isn't there an cool addons that isn't in the manual? |
| 14:12:13 | bluebrother | no. |
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| 14:12:20 | blackbrother | wat about stull inside |
| 14:12:25 | blackbrother | stuff* |
| 14:12:29 | barrywardell | but people will need to update their bootloader to use new SVN builds |
| 14:12:41 | bluebrother | unless you get game data files (like the doom wads) or patches you compile yourself |
| 14:12:55 | blackbrother | yea i want games how do i add them |
| 14:12:59 | bluebrother | there are themes, but I guess you found that already |
| 14:13:10 | linuxstb | barrywardell: If I was you, I wouldn't change the build servers to create .mi4 files yet. I think you also need to warn Bagder about the name changes... |
| 14:13:19 | bluebrother | you can't simply add games. Either compile them yourself or use games that are shipped. |
| 14:13:24 | blackbrother | any links that have a whole bunch of games |
| 14:13:37 | linuxstb | barrywardell: i.e. change the bootloader, but not Rockbox itself. |
| 14:13:38 | blackbrother | how do i compile |
| 14:13:45 | bluebrother | you can't simply add games from some site |
| 14:13:48 | barrywardell | linuxstb: yeah, ok. I can do that |
| 14:13:49 | bluebrother | read the wiki |
| 14:14:11 | blackbrother | i read it but don't understnad =) too specific |
| 14:14:40 | B4gder | compiling is specific |
| 14:15:05 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Is upgrading the bootloader easy on the H10? i.e. do you just put the bootloader .mi4 somewhere in the FAT32 partition? |
| 14:15:13 | bluebrother | if you don't understand it then it is nothing for you |
| 14:15:17 | markun | Nice, the Meizu M6 firmware is unencrypted! |
| 14:15:21 | bluebrother | it's that simple. |
| 14:15:34 | blackbrother | nothing for me?? =( |
| 14:15:37 | barrywardell | yeah, just a matter of putting it in the System directory |
| 14:16:00 | blackbrother | any site that'll help? |
| 14:16:05 | * | linuxstb wonders if it could be part of the rockbox.zip file... |
| 14:16:09 | bluebrother | nope. Unless you are willing to spend loads of time to learn it. |
| 14:16:19 | bluebrother | blackbrother: no, no, no. |
| 14:16:21 | * | linuxstb then rejects that idea. |
| 14:16:22 | blackbrother | ok i will now pass me the link =) |
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| 14:16:39 | Llorean | B4gder: I'm seeing if I can get some etiquette tips at the summer of code IRC channel then. |
| 14:16:50 | B4gder | a good idea |
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| 14:18:52 | Llorean | B4gder: The general consensus seems to be "Discuss via the comments when asking for more information or clarification so it's public and all the mentors can see it" |
| 14:19:15 | blackbrother | ok |
| 14:19:18 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Thinking about people upgrading Rockbox - if they have an old "rockbox.e200" file, then they may not noticed that new zip files contain rockbox.mi4 instead - so will continue running the old version... |
| 14:19:26 | B4gder | Llorean: great, then let's! |
| 14:19:41 | barrywardell | linuxstb: the new bootloader doesn't look for rockbox.e200 any more |
| 14:19:44 | Llorean | B4gder: On a related note, they suggested we might want to put a Google SoC banner on our page instead of just the text link. |
| 14:19:59 | linuxstb | barrywardell: That's what I mean - if people install the new rockbox.zip without upgrading their bootloaders... |
| 14:20:00 | B4gder | I didn't know there was one |
| 14:20:22 | barrywardell | ah, yes |
| 14:20:23 | Llorean | B4gder: I'm asking. |
| 14:21:04 | barrywardell | i'm not sure what we can do about that apart from make a clear post about it in the forums and wiki |
| 14:23:14 | linuxstb | barrywardell: How about a transitional period where we keep the name .e200, but change to MI4 format - the old bootloader will fail to recognise it. |
| 14:24:12 | linuxstb | Or maybe include a dummy .e200 file in the zip, so it will delete the previous version of Rockbox? |
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| 14:25:32 | LinusN | linuxstb: the dummy file could be an executable with nothing but a splash saying "Please upgrade the bootloader" |
| 14:25:47 | barrywardell | i prefer the dummy file option |
| 14:25:58 | linuxstb | LinusN: A cool idea. |
| 14:26:01 | LinusN | speaking of which, can't we detect that the ipod loader is old? |
| 14:26:19 | pixelma | Slasheri: I want to repeat my question about "auto-update" of the database again, because I'm confused now. You said it would only be possible with dircache, now I found that the option is there on Archos and the wiki says it would work bur wouldn't recognise deleted files... |
| 14:26:38 | pixelma | s/bur/but |
| 14:26:42 | linuxstb | LinusN: I think dan_a thought he had done that - but it seems his detection only worked on his ipod, and no-one elses... |
| 14:26:47 | Llorean | B4gder: http://pastebin.ca/397390 How does this look? |
| 14:27:39 | B4gder | Llorean: looks fine |
| 14:27:42 | Llorean | B4gder: Also, apparently no official banner, the person was just suggesting we knock together something, like a temporary modification of the main logo or something similar |
| 14:27:43 | barrywardell | maybe we should add a version to the mi4 header too? |
| 14:28:39 | B4gder | experience says version number is good |
| 14:29:01 | Slasheri | pixelma: yes, that's correct |
| 14:29:13 | pixelma | which? |
| 14:29:19 | Slasheri | pixelma: auto update without dircache is slow, eats battery and detects only new files |
| 14:30:11 | pixelma | so would it be still needed |
| 14:30:43 | Slasheri | sure, some users may still prefer it |
| 14:30:59 | Slasheri | that does not add much code size either |
| 14:31:14 | Slasheri | and with small databases it works better |
| 14:31:38 | blackbrother | does anyone use iboy? |
| 14:31:54 | LinusN | blackbrother: i'm sure *someone* does |
| 14:31:56 | blackbrother | i really want this but its causing me lotta trouble to get it working |
| 14:32:08 | blackbrother | can anyone help me out please |
| 14:32:10 | B4gder | blackbrother: rockbox doesn't have iboy |
| 14:32:27 | LinusN | blackbrother: ask in #ipodlinux |
| 14:32:37 | blackbrother | i am but the people are so dead that |
| 14:32:45 | blackbrother | they are zombies |
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| 14:33:02 | Llorean | It would be really, really neat if I could *remove* a comment if I double post. |
| 14:33:08 | * | Llorean sighs |
| 14:33:15 | * | Llorean is off to an inauspicious start. |
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| 14:33:33 | Llorean | blackbrother: "They don't answer" isn't a reason to ask us questions about someone else's software. |
| 14:34:01 | pixelma | Slasheri: I was just asking because of the .lang cleanup |
| 14:36:10 | blackbrother | ^^ no |
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| 14:39:05 | Llorean | PP is arm4? |
| 14:40:17 | preglow | arm4t |
| 14:41:03 | Llorean | Thanks |
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| 14:41:39 | PP | np |
| 14:42:49 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Why did you want the extra rockbox header information in the original firmware .mi4? |
| 14:43:08 | linuxstb | I thought that would just be for identifying Rockbox files. |
| 14:43:27 | bluebrother | hmm. Should FS #6827 really considered as a bug? |
| 14:43:46 | bluebrother | PP: PLEASE stop this! |
| 14:44:02 | barrywardell | linuxstb: the bootloader shows it in verbose mode. might be helpful for debugging problems |
| 14:44:54 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Should we create another "RB" code? e.g. "RBOF" ? |
| 14:45:29 | barrywardell | yeah, that would be good. we might not need it, but no harm in having it there |
| 14:45:43 | Llorean | bluebrother: I don't know, which change is he referring to? |
| 14:45:49 | Domonoky | linuxstb: sansapatcher needs something like BOOT_OPTS (like you do in ipodpatcher), to compile it without the Bootloader.. (for rbutil) :-) |
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| 14:46:40 | bluebrother | Llorean: r12592 by roolku afaics |
| 14:47:01 | bluebrother | IMO it's just a tag that changed, and if this breaks his wps it's not a bug |
| 14:47:10 | * | GodEater comes back from the pub ti find his hacked ebuild for wxGTK 2.8 has worked apparently |
| 14:47:15 | linuxstb | Domonoky: Can't you just create a dummy "bootimg" char* ? |
| 14:47:49 | linuxstb | I guess you can't - there's the .h file as well.... |
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| 14:48:30 | Domonoky | i could make a fake .h file. |
| 14:49:03 | linuxstb | Maybe have a "RBUTIL" define - so things can be excluded with #ifndef RBUTIL |
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| 14:50:01 | tucoz | Hello |
| 14:50:06 | bluebrother | hi tucoz |
| 14:50:29 | Llorean | bluebrother: I don't think the change should've affected those tags though? |
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| 14:51:01 | Domonoky | jeah a #ifndef RBUTIL would work.. |
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| 14:51:21 | GodEater | hmm - that looks to have at least changed the errors I get on compiling now |
| 14:51:30 | tucoz | Do you mind if rearrange the soc page a little? |
| 14:51:43 | tucoz | I want to add an additional level |
| 14:51:46 | bluebrother | Llorean: afaics they shouldn't |
| 14:51:54 | bluebrother | the manual level? ;-) |
| 14:51:59 | tucoz | hehe |
| 14:52:16 | GodEater | Domonoky: I'm getting this error trying to build rbutil on linux now : wizard_pages.cpp:326: error: no matching function for call to \u2018wxString::Printf( |
| 14:52:26 | tucoz | no, add another level under the different categories |
| 14:52:46 | Llorean | tucoz: Feel free if you think it's appropriate. I'm sure you can be trusted. ;) |
| 14:52:50 | GodEater | I *think* this is because on the const char* in the call, does it need to wrapped in something ? |
| 14:52:54 | tucoz | and add the bullets under that. That is, WMA codec will get its own heading |
| 14:53:10 | tucoz | Llorean, thanks. i'll do that then |
| 14:53:26 | Domonoky | GodEater: jeah it needs to be in wxT() |
| 14:53:53 | GodEater | is this something that's fixed in your source tree that you've not commited ? |
| 14:54:23 | preglow | svn compiles here |
| 14:54:26 | preglow | with unicode wx |
| 14:54:45 | Domonoky | its now fixed in my source tree, but i have a non working sansapatcher in my tree, so i cant commit it :-) |
| 14:54:57 | preglow | linuxstb: hmm, perhaps we need one of those sleep() things on shutdown for pp too |
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| 14:55:27 | barrywardell | linuxstb: what do you think about committing the bootloader and mi4 changes together with a dummy rockbox.e200/rockbox.h10 for the zip? |
| 14:55:59 | barrywardell | preglow: are you referring to my commit? |
| 14:56:02 | GodEater | Domonoky: ok - I'll just muddle on through then |
| 14:56:04 | preglow | barrywardell: aye |
| 14:56:27 | preglow | s/sleep()/while(1)/ :> |
| 14:56:50 | GodEater | Domonoky: neat - that appeared to be the only error! |
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| 14:56:57 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 14:57:09 | barrywardell | I've only noticed it while working on the bootloader - i found it kept running some code after power_off() finished |
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| 14:57:23 | preglow | i think i actually tried stuffing a while(1) there at one time |
| 14:57:29 | preglow | to see if it solved the backlight flickering i get on shutdown |
| 14:57:55 | GodEater | Domonoky: unfortunately it doesn't run =( Probably more my issue than yours though |
| 14:58:05 | preglow | GodEater: the glibc issue? |
| 14:58:09 | preglow | GodEater: amd64? |
| 14:58:12 | Domonoky | GodEater: munmap error ? |
| 14:58:36 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I think we need to test sansapatcher and the new bootloader first, before releasing it. At the same time the bootloader is released, we can then change the build system to generate .mi4 files, include the dummy .e200 file, and update the install instructions. |
| 14:58:49 | barrywardell | ok, sounds good |
| 14:59:13 | GodEater | preglow: no - i686 here |
| 14:59:15 | Llorean | Dummy .e200 file? |
| 14:59:16 | preglow | GodEater: weird |
| 14:59:18 | * | Llorean missed something |
| 14:59:20 | preglow | i get the same thing |
| 14:59:30 | preglow | well, then it's probably not a 64 bit specific issue, at least :> |
| 14:59:31 | GodEater | Domonoky: *** glibc detected *** ./rbutil: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x0854c044 *** |
| 14:59:42 | barrywardell | i'll commit just the bootloader changes for now |
| 14:59:48 | GodEater | preglow: :) |
| 14:59:57 | linuxstb | Llorean: The main Rockbox binary is changing from rockbox.e200 to rockbox.mi4 - so if someone installs a new rockbox.zip without upgrading the bootloader, the old .e200 version will still be loaded. |
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| 15:00:11 | Domonoky | GodEater: same error as many other on linux, but i dont know what causes this.. :-( |
| 15:00:12 | linuxstb | Llorean: The idea is to include a dummy .e200 file in the rockbox.zip which will overwrite that e200 file. |
| 15:00:27 | Llorean | linuxstb: Why are we naming it .mi4 though? |
| 15:00:39 | * | GodEater rolls his sleeves up and prepares to get into ddd |
| 15:00:53 | linuxstb | For consistency. It will allow us to make Rolo load any .mi4 file. |
| 15:01:12 | Llorean | Is there any reason you can't leave it *named* .e200 but make it a valid mi4? |
| 15:01:51 | Llorean | I'd kinda like to take the rockbox.iriver from the H100 and H300 and rename those .h100 and .h300 (and .h120) |
| 15:02:12 | Llorean | But this is more or less so users are likely to notice if they're installing the wrong build. |
| 15:02:46 | Llorean | I dunno, maybe simplifying the extensions is better. |
| 15:02:52 | linuxstb | It's similar to everything called ".ipod" on the ipods - ipodpatcher deals with .ipod files, and so does rolo. Although I can understand the desire to give filenames a unique name on each platform. |
| 15:03:05 | Llorean | I'm not happy with the .ipod thing either. ;) |
| 15:03:22 | Llorean | Lay users tend to assume that if the filename is the same, the file is the same (or if the extension is the same, it'll work in the same places) |
| 15:03:29 | preglow | wouldn't it be better to keep the target name encoded in the filename, not the extension? |
| 15:03:43 | Llorean | preglow: rockbox-h120.iriver? Or even h120.rockbox? |
| 15:03:54 | preglow | rockbox-h120.bin, whatever |
| 15:04:03 | Llorean | .bin is good too |
| 15:04:05 | preglow | something seems wrong by using the extension for the target name |
| 15:04:16 | linuxstb | I agree with that. |
| 15:05:00 | tucoz | Now it's easier to add category-feature specific stuff to the SoC page |
| 15:05:09 | preglow | and by not using the extension, it's more likely to be seen by everyone too |
| 15:05:13 | preglow | some oses hide extensions... |
| 15:05:14 | Llorean | preglow: I wouldn't be against a uniform extension as long as there's a target-specific bit in the filename. |
| 15:05:24 | preglow | Llorean: that being the point of it all, yes :) |
| 15:05:38 | Llorean | I was just using a very long form of "I agree with you" :-P |
| 15:05:57 | bluebrother | why not use the device as file extension? rockbox.h120 etc. |
| 15:06:04 | GodEater | tucoz: that looks much better |
| 15:06:10 | preglow | because i think the idea is clearer if it's in the file name |
| 15:06:13 | Llorean | That would mean people will actually get bootloader error messages saying "rockbox-mini2g.bin not found" instead of obscure checksum errors |
| 15:06:16 | tucoz | I think the ffmpeg people have a nice page, with specifications etc. for each project. Maybe we should try to add "wanted skills" or something to the different projects |
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| 15:06:33 | preglow | tucoz: the soc page should get more specific than it is now indeed |
| 15:06:34 | linuxstb | Llorean: Although "rockbox-mini2g.bin not found" won't fit on the mini's LCD... |
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| 15:06:52 | Llorean | linuxstb: I thought it was on two lines anyway? |
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| 15:07:11 | Llorean | Or is rockbox-mini2g.bin too long on its own? |
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| 15:07:22 | linuxstb | It should be OK... |
| 15:08:19 | preglow | anywho, this is what i think would be the best solution, uniform extension for the same concept, rockbox in the name, plus a specific target |
| 15:08:26 | preglow | people are more comfortable with file names than extensions |
| 15:08:34 | Llorean | But my complaint is on the issue of "identical filenames on incompatible targets" rather than what they're actually named. |
| 15:08:36 | tucoz | back to work |
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| 15:08:55 | preglow | Llorean: sure, i just think we should do it properly if we're going to change things around anyway |
| 15:09:08 | Llorean | preglow: Fine by me. :) |
| 15:09:27 | linuxstb | But if the issue is people putting the wrong files on their device, we can easily check for that in the bootloader and display a "wrong target!" error message. |
| 15:09:42 | GodEater | linuxstb: that's definitly one of the issues |
| 15:09:43 | bluebrother | hmm. Wouldn't file extensions have the advantage that the average user won't see them? |
| 15:09:56 | preglow | bluebrother: what's the advantage in that? |
| 15:10:08 | bluebrother | (and thus not rename like rockbox-ipodvideo.ipod to rockbox-ipodnano.ipod) |
| 15:10:10 | linuxstb | bluebrother: The whole point is so that people see it.. |
| 15:10:13 | preglow | we WANT them to see they've got the right target |
| 15:10:29 | amiconn | On X5 and M5 the rockbox binary is also called rockbox.iaudio |
| 15:10:34 | bluebrother | oh, then my argumentation is beaten ;-) |
| 15:10:45 | Llorean | linuxstb: I wouldn't mind that either, but that doesn't reduce the confusion of Bob Average posting rockbox.ipod up on a message board saying "This is patched with blah". I'm not sure if that's a problem we care about, but it does create some noise. |
| 15:11:10 | Llorean | "That" being "Checking for a version in the bootloader" |
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| 15:13:43 | linuxstb | I guess we should also try and decide if we want rockbox-whatever.whatever in .rockbox or not. |
| 15:14:11 | preglow | i'd say we do |
| 15:14:12 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 15:14:21 | Llorean | Absolutely |
| 15:14:26 | preglow | clean and good, and i can see no downsides to it |
| 15:14:42 | linuxstb | Downside is harder to rolo it. |
| 15:14:56 | preglow | i don't know how important i think that is |
| 15:15:08 | Llorean | I think anyone who knows about RoLo knows how to switch file view modes. |
| 15:15:19 | preglow | if that's something people want to do a lot, we should have a menu entry for it |
| 15:15:28 | Llorean | Besides, RoLo doesn't require that the file is anywhere, so any RoLo'd firmwares can still be in the root. |
| 15:15:31 | linuxstb | Personally, I'm happy with it in the root, but can see that for 99.9% of users, it will be better in .rockbox |
| 15:15:35 | Llorean | It's only the boot firmware that needs to be in .rockbox |
| 15:15:46 | preglow | linuxstb: anyway, i still think we should support both |
| 15:15:54 | preglow | linuxstb: it's primarily a matter of where we put it in the zips |
| 15:15:57 | linuxstb | preglow: I agree, that costs nothing. |
| 15:16:12 | Llorean | We already do support both, we'd just be changing the default location. |
| 15:16:20 | preglow | yes, and that should be .rockbox, no doubt |
| 15:16:28 | Llorean | And on a related note to what Preglow said, a "Restart" and a "Shutdown" menu entry would be nice, I think. |
| 15:16:58 | preglow | does anyone want a piece of how much i hate writing parsers? |
| 15:17:02 | amiconn | Why shutdown (except on the 2 soft-shutdown targets)? |
| 15:17:45 | Llorean | amiconn: On the gigabeat you cannot shut down from the remote (I think). As well, on the iPod it would be faster than holding the play/pause button, some users would find it more convenient. |
| 15:17:54 | Llorean | And I think once you've got it there for a few targets, it may as well be there for all. |
| 15:17:57 | GodEater | preglow: can we just imagine ? ;) |
| 15:18:08 | preglow | GodEater: as long as you try really hard! |
| 15:18:18 | * | Domonoky has to leave.. |
| 15:18:40 | amiconn | Llorean: I wouldn't like to clutter the main menu with too many entries. |
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| 15:18:52 | preglow | those fit fine in system/ |
| 15:19:02 | Llorean | I agree that they belong in "System" |
| 15:19:05 | preglow | which isn't very cluttered at all |
| 15:19:13 | amiconn | With the current main menu it's already more complicated to shutdown the archos player (and recorder v1) via the menu |
| 15:19:33 | amiconn | ...because you never know for sure where you end up in the menu when calling it |
| 15:19:48 | preglow | it's random on player and recorder v1? |
| 15:19:57 | amiconn | With the old menu, shutdown was 3 button presses on the player which could be entered blindly |
| 15:20:01 | bluebrother | how about removing rockbox.whatever from the list of supported file types and offering a "browse firmwares" entry? |
| 15:20:10 | preglow | bluebrother: we had that... it was removed |
| 15:20:15 | amiconn | preglow: No, but the menu position depends on where you come from |
| 15:20:24 | preglow | amiconn: then you do know where you end up |
| 15:20:29 | amiconn | (file browser, database, wps etc) |
| 15:20:40 | bluebrother | preglow: I know ... but iirc the firmware files always were part of the supported file types |
| 15:21:16 | amiconn | preglow: Yes, but then I need to count, depending on where I come from, or look at the display, or listen to the voice |
| 15:21:23 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I don't think there's a need to hide the files in "supported" view, but maybe a "browse firmwares" option in System could be revived - especially if Rolo manages to load original firmwares on the portalplayer targets. |
| 15:21:38 | amiconn | Before, it was just "Menu, Minus, Play" on the player |
| 15:21:57 | preglow | amiconn: there isn't a purely button based shutdown? |
| 15:22:02 | GodEater | oh bugger. Looks like I'm going to have to rebuilt glibc with debugging symbols :( |
| 15:22:26 | preglow | amiconn: like hold stop for iriver, etc |
| 15:22:37 | * | linuxstb thinks the main menu became too clever |
| 15:22:48 | preglow | linuxstb: what with the remembering where you came from and so on? |
| 15:23:00 | amiconn | preglow: Quite to the contrary |
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| 15:23:18 | amiconn | The player and recorder v1 have a too fast hardware shutdown, so we can't intercept it |
| 15:23:39 | Llorean | It took me a while to learn not to hold Off on the Recorder |
| 15:23:49 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, I would have prefered buttons have to have fixed destinations, rather than "last something" With the exception of SELECT/NAVI in the wps going to the last-used browser. |
| 15:23:49 | PP | hey anyone recieved a problem in podzilla like aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa throught out ur whole screen |
| 15:23:51 | amiconn | Holding Stop (player) or Off (rec v1) shuts down the hardware in less than a second |
| 15:23:56 | PP | my bad |
| 15:23:58 | PP | wroing channel |
| 15:24:34 | Llorean | linuxstb: Me too |
| 15:24:35 | amiconn | But we want a clean shutdown (saving settings etc) |
| 15:24:55 | preglow | linuxstb: yeah, i think i agree |
| 15:25:19 | PP | ^^ ahh |
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| 15:27:24 | petur | mooooooo |
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| 15:29:57 | amiconn | npp |
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| 15:30:44 | linuxstb | npp? |
| 15:30:59 | petur | moo + 1 |
| 15:31:07 | * | linuxstb slow |
| 15:32:30 | barrywardell | linuxstb: new bootloader committed |
| 15:32:55 | linuxstb | Just reading it - shouldn't the hidden partition stuff be #ifdef'ed for the E200? |
| 15:33:22 | barrywardell | yeah, I guesss it should. first bugfix commit on the way... |
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| 15:34:59 | linuxstb | Also, how about referring to the second partition as the Sansa's "firmware partition"? As we do for the ipods. |
| 15:35:48 | barrywardell | sounds good |
| 15:35:54 | preglow | well, i'm out for the weekend |
| 15:35:56 | preglow | seeya later |
| 15:36:20 | linuxstb | Although in disk.h, maybe use the official description - "PARTITION_TYPE_OS2_HIDDEN_C_DRIVE" |
| 15:37:01 | linuxstb | (I'm mainly referring to documentation when suggesting the term "firmware partition") |
| 15:37:12 | barrywardell | is that the official partition type description? |
| 15:37:23 | linuxstb | That's what the Linux fdisk calls it. |
| 15:37:39 | linuxstb | I don't know if there's an official list somewhere though. |
| 15:38:24 | linuxstb | Hmm, seems it can also be a "hibernation partition" - http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/partitions/partition_types-1.html |
| 15:39:10 | linuxstb | But that list also includes "OS2 hidden C: drive" |
| 15:39:45 | barrywardell | i don't mind what we call it, it's only for that #define |
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| 15:40:00 | barrywardell | maybe PARTITION_TYPE_OS2_HIDDEN_C_DRIVE is best as you suggested |
| 15:40:55 | linuxstb | Or as Sandisk have reinvented it, maybe "PARTITION_TYPE_SANSA_FIRMWARE"... |
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| 15:41:27 | linuxstb | But anyway, I'll build the bootloader and create some sansapatcher binaries for testing. |
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| 15:41:41 | linuxstb | Although will people need to build their own rockbox.mi4? |
| 15:41:53 | barrywardell | i can build a rockbox.zip for them |
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| 15:42:12 | linuxstb | OK. Can you host it? |
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| 15:42:21 | linuxstb | (I mean your rockbox.zip) |
| 15:42:24 | barrywardell | yes |
| 15:43:10 | barrywardell | i'll even include a dummy rockbox.e200 ;) |
| 15:44:10 | linuxstb | OK, sansapatcher windows binary here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/sansapatcher.zip |
| 15:45:20 | linuxstb | Just double-click on the .exe... |
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| 15:52:06 | billytwowilly | hey, are there any issues left with the e200 that should stop me from buying one just to put rockbox on? |
| 15:53:07 | billytwowilly | does the USB now work? wiki says it doesn't.. |
| 15:53:16 | barrywardell | and the rockbox.zip to go with sansapatcher - http://www.barrywardell.net/assets/files/sansapatcher/rockbox.zip |
| 15:53:20 | GodEater | billytwowilly: well it's still a portalplayer based device - so still the "worst" rockbox platform |
| 15:53:32 | barrywardell | billytwowilly: usb doesn't work |
| 15:53:40 | barrywardell | billytwowilly: and sound is half working |
| 15:54:00 | billytwowilly | that's too bad. Keep up the good workt hough guys, the last week has been amazing for devel;) |
| 15:54:20 | billytwowilly | Can you recommend another player that looks as good as the sansa? |
| 15:54:46 | barrywardell | the sansa is improving quickly |
| 15:55:08 | barrywardell | so sound should be working fully before long |
| 15:55:58 | billytwowilly | that's good, because all the rest of the players except for the ipod either look bad or are hard drive based. |
| 15:56:32 | barrywardell | and you can always dual boot into the original firmware if you need usb |
| 15:56:37 | billytwowilly | and I don't really want a nano with the tiny screen. |
| 15:57:23 | billytwowilly | my ipod mini hasn't quite died yet;) It's on its last legs though:( I think I'll just hold off until it either really dies or the e200 port is close to flawless |
| 15:57:38 | joshin | billytwowilly: With the rate of progress on the sansa, that may not be too long... |
| 15:58:02 | billytwowilly | yah, I've been watching the devel. It's been pretty amazing so far. |
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| 15:58:25 | PP | devil? |
| 15:58:34 | billytwowilly | er. development |
| 15:58:40 | PP | =P |
| 15:58:51 | billytwowilly | The devil doesn't exist so it's tough to watch;) |
| 15:58:57 | PP | ;P |
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| 15:59:37 | whitebrother | blue brother has been here since morning =P |
| 15:59:52 | whitebrother | =P |
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| 16:00:10 | markun | whitebrother: why do you keep changing your nick? |
| 16:00:34 | barrywardell | ok, testing time. old bl+new rockbox.zip = "Please upgrade bootloader" |
| 16:00:57 | whitebrother | upgrade my bootlaoader wat u talkin aboiut? |
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| 16:01:35 | bluebrother | I'm usually around all day. |
| 16:01:44 | bluebrother | the PC is running anyway ... |
| 16:02:27 | linuxstb | markun: I guess he didn't realise you were talking to him. |
| 16:02:53 | markun | linuxstb: he ignored the question before when I asked him |
| 16:03:06 | whitebrother | lol |
| 16:03:13 | barrywardell | sansapatcher+old bl already on sansa= "OLD ROCKBOX INSTALLATION DETECTED, ABORTING" |
| 16:03:23 | whitebrother | ?? |
| 16:03:25 | bluebrother | maybe he hasn't a good answer to the question? |
| 16:03:28 | * | petur recognizes the troll of the month when he sees one |
| 16:03:40 | * | billytwowilly bets whitebrother is in another chan and said something really horrible that he doesn't want associated with him so he changed his name |
| 16:03:45 | * | linuxstb puts the food back in the cupboard |
| 16:03:47 | markun | linuxstb: I'm checking how I can put someone on my ignore list without using his nick |
| 16:04:12 | bluebrother | hmm. Using a host mask? |
| 16:04:14 | petur | markun: kick/ban ;) |
| 16:04:26 | petur | helps us too |
| 16:04:38 | barrywardell | SansaE200Install will need updating... |
| 16:04:56 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Indeed. We have a lot of things to do simulatenously... |
| 16:04:58 | whitebrother | ban??? me? |
| 16:05:15 | bluebrother | who has the powers for kickban again? |
| 16:05:23 | whitebrother | admin and mods |
| 16:05:29 | whitebrother | there are non at the moment |
| 16:05:35 | whitebrother | none* |
| 16:05:48 | * | petur looks at amiconn |
| 16:06:07 | whitebrother | refresh my memory how do u make emotions |
| 16:06:10 | Mode | "#rockbox +o amiconn " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 16:06:11 | whitebrother | like that |
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| 16:06:39 | whitebrother | i gess i am being inored |
| 16:06:42 | whitebrother | =P |
| 16:07:05 | markun | whitebrother: no, I still haven't figured out how to do it |
| 16:07:24 | whitebrother | figure wat out? do wat? |
| 16:07:42 | billytwowilly | can't you just go /ignore 125-25-143-64.adsl.totbb.net ? |
| 16:08:14 | markun | billytwowilly: his ip might change |
| 16:08:21 | markun | but for now it will do I guess |
| 16:08:33 | whitebrother | aight ok sorry guys |
| 16:08:36 | whitebrother | i'll go then |
| 16:08:37 | billytwowilly | although I'm still not certain why you want to ignore him. |
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| 16:09:27 | amiconn | weird. |
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| 16:13:50 | devond | How do you boot back into the apple firmware? |
| 16:15:15 | bluebrother | switch hold on while booting |
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| 16:17:36 | devond | thats it...sweet |
| 16:17:38 | devond | thanks |
| 16:22:34 | barrywardell | oops, there was a problem with the rockbox.mi4 in that zip. new one coming up |
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| 16:22:53 | devond | how do you force the ipod to shutdown. while in apple firmware...not just sleep |
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| 16:24:36 | amiconn | desowin: You can't. You need to reset the ipod, then shutdown from rockbox |
| 16:24:45 | desowin | ? |
| 16:24:50 | desowin | wrong nick |
| 16:25:08 | GodEater | curse that tab completion ;) |
| 16:25:34 | limpbizkit70 | compile in a cygwin typing?? do we need a software for this |
| 16:25:46 | amiconn | desowin: Ooops, sorry |
| 16:25:49 | barrywardell | ok, updated the rockbox.zip, same url: http://www.barrywardell.net/assets/files/sansapatcher/rockbox.zip |
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| 16:26:29 | petur | limpbizkit70: why are you back here? |
| 16:26:36 | limpbizkit70 | i really want to know this |
| 16:26:43 | limpbizkit70 | sorry for all the things i did b4 |
| 16:27:03 | limpbizkit70 | how do we type in a cygwin? |
| 16:27:08 | devond | reset? sorry for sounding stupid but how do you do that? |
| 16:27:17 | barrywardell | and the patch to change to mi4 format: http://www.barrywardell.net/assets/files/sansapatcher/rockbox.mi4.patch |
| 16:27:20 | petur | limpbizkit70: see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
| 16:27:26 | GodEater | devond: hold menu + select |
| 16:27:34 | limpbizkit70 | ok thx i'll check it out |
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| 16:30:18 | devond | is that at all harmful to the Ipod? |
| 16:32:10 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: So is it all working well? |
| 16:33:21 | devond | now i'm having trouble getting it to show up in finder. and it just crashes explorer in windows |
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| 16:33:30 | devond | it just sits there |
| 16:33:40 | devond | and itunes in windows wants to reformat it |
| 16:33:47 | barrywardell | linuxstb_: yes. I've yet to come across a problem |
| 16:33:51 | linuxstb_ | devond: What sits where? |
| 16:33:57 | devond | ipod. |
| 16:34:02 | devond | okay got it to work in mac |
| 16:34:10 | devond | but only when using apple firmware |
| 16:34:19 | linuxstb_ | Are you using USB or firewire? |
| 16:34:25 | devond | usb |
| 16:34:55 | linuxstb_ | Rockbox is known to freeze sometimes when you attach USB. |
| 16:35:03 | freqmod | Hi, I was trying to solve bug 6760 (speex sterio doesn't work), but I don't have an accurate enough (integer) sqrt function. Does anybody know about such a function? |
| 16:35:35 | GodEater | freqmod: are you aware that stereo speex files appear to work *after* you've played a mono one ? |
| 16:36:23 | freqmod | strange, because speex_decode_stereo uses sqrt, and in rockbox.c sqrt returns 0 (because it isn't implemented) |
| 16:37:01 | jhMikeS | freqmod: there's one in fixedpoint.c |
| 16:37:04 | freqmod | btw. i filled a new speex bug: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6838 (doesn't work without the fix in my 64-bits emulator) |
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| 16:51:26 | GodEater | I think my C++ must be rusty |
| 16:52:15 | GodEater | I didn't think you could use an object just by declaring it, I thought you had to use it's new() operator as well |
| 16:53:37 | GodEater | anyway - the crash in rbutil on linux appears to be wen ReadGlobalConfig attempts to delete some local variable objects right at the end |
| 16:53:42 | GodEater | s/wen/when |
| 16:53:49 | jhMikeS | new() makes a heap object, the other can be used for static or stack based objects |
| 16:55:02 | GodEater | I wonder why this works on windows |
| 16:55:08 | jhMikeS | yeah, that's bad, never use delete on automatic objects |
| 16:55:52 | jhMikeS | delete might find that it's not in it's heap and just exit |
| 16:55:57 | idnar | on the other hand, it's kind of hard to do that |
| 16:56:12 | idnar | you'd have to do something like delete &localvar; |
| 16:56:15 | GodEater | yeah - surely g++ should pick it up |
| 16:56:40 | GodEater | anyway - commenting out the delete there makes rbutil run fine |
| 16:57:34 | * | jhMikeS didn't look at the code so can't say why it would compile for sure...just guessing at stuff |
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| 16:58:47 | GodEater | I think you're right though - it tries to remove a non-heap object |
| 16:59:27 | jhMikeS | which file? |
| 16:59:44 | GodEater | rbutilApp.cpp |
| 16:59:58 | GodEater | the delete is around line 225 |
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| 17:00:42 | jhMikeS | I think I know why it accepts it |
| 17:00:46 | GodEater | I knew you could do the static thing in java - didn't know C++ had that feature. Mind you - I've looked at C++ like twice in the last ten years. |
| 17:01:38 | GodEater | should I post a patch ? |
| 17:02:09 | jhMikeS | wxString must have some kind of pointer case operator |
| 17:02:13 | jhMikeS | cast* |
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| 17:02:52 | jhMikeS | doesn't seem that should be there so why not? |
| 17:02:57 | GodEater | http://www.pastebin.ca/397557 <−− includes a Printf fix too |
| 17:03:21 | jhMikeS | Where is the source for wxString? |
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| 17:03:33 | GodEater | oh lord knows |
| 17:03:35 | GodEater | buried in wxWidgets somewhere |
| 17:03:45 | GodEater | hang on - I'll grep for it |
| 17:04:31 | GodEater | I don't even have it extracted currently |
| 17:05:29 | GodEater | wxGTK-2.8.2/src/common/string.cpp |
| 17:05:33 | jhMikeS | That would probably be safe if it has it's own operator delete or something but dunno |
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| 17:05:57 | jhMikeS | I imagine I have to obtain this separately? |
| 17:06:11 | GodEater | doesn't look like it has |
| 17:06:22 | jhMikeS | then that's definitely wrong |
| 17:06:31 | GodEater | http://www.wxwidgets.org/downloads/ |
| 17:06:47 | andrewg867 | hmm i'm getting a weird build error |
| 17:06:58 | GodEater | I'd see an "operator delete" somewhere in that file if it did right ? |
| 17:07:02 | andrewg867 | its saying that it can't find sysfont.h |
| 17:07:24 | nls | andrewg867: try make clean |
| 17:08:48 | jhMikeS | yeah |
| 17:09:04 | jhMikeS | or in the header as an inline |
| 17:09:16 | andrewg867 | nls: it's still doing it, it is included on line 55 in powermgmt.c |
| 17:09:26 | andrewg867 | but this worked fine yesterday |
| 17:09:27 | GodEater | jhMikeS: ah - didn't look there |
| 17:09:57 | jhMikeS | it would be kinda weird if it had it though |
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| 17:10:08 | GodEater | it doesn't appear to *have* a header |
| 17:10:33 | andrewg867 | hmm, actually export/font.h |
| 17:10:51 | nls | andrewg867: do the standard procedure, kill the build dir, create a new one and run configure :-) |
| 17:11:48 | amiconn | That's one reason why I don't like oo languages in most cases - too much stuff happening behind the scenes |
| 17:12:05 | andrewg867 | nls: still doesn't work |
| 17:12:15 | GodEater | amiconn: I blame Christi ;) |
| 17:12:30 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Is your fmradio code tested on hwcodec, both tea5767 and samsung? |
| 17:12:32 | GodEater | that's why I'd have chosed GTK+ from the get go if it were me |
| 17:12:42 | nls | andrewg867: weird, and it used to work, and you didn't change anything? |
| 17:12:45 | jhMikeS | amiconn: which part? |
| 17:13:09 | amiconn | The whole thing, scanning for stations and such |
| 17:13:11 | andrewg867 | nls: I added in a line to compile my driver in firmware/SOURCES, thats all |
| 17:13:13 | jhMikeS | it was basically UI changes today |
| 17:13:33 | jhMikeS | it didn't change anything for samsung |
| 17:13:43 | nls | andrewg867: that shouldn't change anything, try make clean in the tools dir too, jus to be sure |
| 17:14:16 | andrewg867 | argh! |
| 17:14:16 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 17:14:22 | andrewg867 | what a stupid mistake |
| 17:14:24 | jhMikeS | for tea5767 in the US/Canada region it works like a charm. Things appear to need a different strategy in the European region and I have no idea about the others. |
| 17:14:34 | andrewg867 | i put in driver/ instead of drivers |
| 17:15:49 | GodEater | I added the patch to Flyspray, FS #6839 |
| 17:16:20 | GodEater | if someone else could test / commit, that would be ace |
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| 17:16:47 | jhMikeS | I just moved some code out out radio.c the was too close to the HW imo...and added a RADIO_SCAN_FREQUENCY which basically puts the old code in the tuner layer |
| 17:17:21 | GodEater | it should probably be tested in windows / mac too =/ |
| 17:17:36 | * | GodEater blinks at linuxstb |
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| 17:21:10 | andrewg867 | anyone know where the GPIOH_INPUT_EN and stuff are defined (which header)? |
| 17:21:20 | andrewg867 | *header file |
| 17:21:31 | thewho | Why there is a separate menu in the playlist viewer? I'd argue that it should be moved to somewhere the settings menu. And the entry "save current playlist" should be moved to the context menu of the playlist viewer. Any opinions? |
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| 17:22:04 | thewho | Then the MENU button would bring up the main menu as in other screens |
| 17:22:33 | thewho | Thus we'd have more consostency |
| 17:22:50 | jhMikeS | amiconn: If the big/small battery curves are so much alike...I think I know why mine were off now. |
| 17:24:39 | barrywardell | andrewg867: firmware/export/pp5020.h |
| 17:25:50 | andrewg867 | thanks |
| 17:30:50 | thewho | Hmm.. Where are the consistency protagonists? :-) |
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| 17:36:34 | jhMikeS | GodEater: by any chance did you think to scan rbutil for more of using delete improperly? :) might be wise. |
| 17:36:58 | GodEater | jhMikeS: Um No. That would be far too sensible for me to have thought of on my own ;) |
| 17:39:07 | GodEater | on cursory glance, that appears to be the only place it's been done (and not noticed previously) |
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| 17:41:21 | jhMikeS | lol...never mind...just my paranoia |
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| 17:43:50 | GodEater | jhMikeS: No - I'm satisfied it doesn't do that elsewhere |
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| 17:44:27 | GodEater | having looked a bit more carefully - all other delete calls are done following a suitable blah = new blahobject() |
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| 17:44:54 | GodEater | ah, the very chap |
| 17:45:10 | GodEater | Domonoky: FS #6839 |
| 17:45:20 | Domonoky | GodEater: thx for fixing :-) |
| 17:45:24 | GodEater | np ;) |
| 17:45:29 | * | GodEater hugs ddd |
| 17:45:53 | Domonoky | i am not at home at moment, but will test it later.. |
| 17:45:58 | GodEater | cool |
| 17:46:09 | GodEater | I'm out for dinner this evening - so I'll have to catch up tomorrow at some point |
| 17:46:33 | jhMikeS | knowing myself, I'd probably go through and change anything to stack objects that don't need heap allocation...but I guess I'm obsessive. |
| 17:46:50 | GodEater | jhMikeS: That'd be an awful lot I think... |
| 17:46:58 | barrywardell | on which targets should/shouldn't rockbox.* be moved inside .rockbox? |
| 17:48:49 | * | jhMikeS hates the heap unless and will only use it at gunpoint |
| 17:50:37 | nls | barrywardell: old archoses will not like that |
| 17:50:46 | jhMikeS | would be nice if it could still pick up fw in the root if it's there |
| 17:51:31 | barrywardell | jhMikeS: the bootloader still looks in the root. I'm just talking about changing how rockbox.zip is built |
| 17:52:27 | jhMikeS | I thought now it looks in .rockbox first, then checks the root. That one got me a few times in the past. |
| 17:53:24 | barrywardell | yes, it does load from .rockbox first, but isn't that the way it should be?~ |
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| 17:54:00 | jhMikeS | well, if .rockbox is going to be the usual location, I'd think that should be the other way around |
| 17:54:32 | jhMikeS | or else I can't use it from the root without deleting the one in .rockbox |
| 17:56:41 | jhMikeS | it's just that it's a bit more convenience in Windows to just drop the bin on the driver letter |
| 17:57:14 | barrywardell | i thought checking in the root was just to provide backwards compatibility? |
| 17:57:49 | barrywardell | unzipping a new rockbox.zip would replace the one in .rockbox - could be confusing for people doing an upgrade |
| 17:58:07 | jhMikeS | yes...I suppose that would disappear over time |
| 17:58:34 | jhMikeS | maybe rbboot.cfg would be a nice little thing to have then |
| 17:58:37 | andrewg867 | I personally overwrite all the files whenever I recompile |
| 17:58:45 | jhMikeS | why |
| 17:59:06 | jhMikeS | if you only modify something that affects the bin itself why bother? |
| 17:59:11 | andrewg867 | i'm too lazy just to select the files, and it's not that slow ;p |
| 17:59:41 | jhMikeS | when you're doing on target debugging everything is slow and most things slower :) |
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| 18:00:13 | jhMikeS | just make bin and dump it on the drive letter keeps thing moving along with few steps |
| 18:00:49 | andrewg867 | well, now I know that most stuff is in the bin and not in external files :) |
| 18:01:05 | andrewg867 | I always assumed that it might have updated some files elsewhere |
| 18:01:09 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Well I don't know either. I'll do some more comparisons as I *think* most LiPo discharge curves are so similar that they can share a single mapping |
| 18:01:42 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I think I got somewhat of a lemon of a player personally |
| 18:02:06 | amiconn | The powermgmt code is a royal mess, and I am planning to rework that after my ideas for lcd |
| 18:02:13 | amiconn | That is, if nobody beats me to it |
| 18:02:41 | amiconn | A lot of powermgmt should in fact be moved to target tree |
| 18:02:57 | Juice^ | should be my checkout directory for tortoise svn be: C:\cygwin\bin\rockbox-devel ? |
| 18:04:17 | * | barrywardell has promised to rework powermgmt too |
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| 18:04:37 | jhMikeS | Well, I wanted complete charging stuff for x5 including the USB charging which needs some management...and maybe implement the nice LED for good measure. |
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| 18:04:57 | amiconn | barrywardell: The most difficult case is the recorder v1, as there is a complete NiMH charging algorithm for v1 in powermgmt |
| 18:05:10 | corp | does rockbox have recording capability on the ipod video? |
| 18:05:13 | amiconn | That needs to be separated somehow |
| 18:05:20 | jhMikeS | ...and then see where that takes it all...but...rrr...so many plans |
| 18:05:41 | amiconn | Also, the iaudios need a rudimentary charging algorithm as well. They can charge from usb, but that needs supervision |
| 18:05:49 | barrywardell | amiconn: there also seems to be some hardware charging control in the AS3514 |
| 18:06:13 | barrywardell | ie. sansa |
| 18:06:34 | amiconn | The iaudio charging uses the pcf50606, but usb charging needs some trickery to make it not exceed the 500mA |
| 18:06:50 | jhMikeS | yes, a little bit but not too much it seems |
| 18:07:25 | jhMikeS | I never wanted that stuffed into powermgmt.c so that would've motivated an abstraction |
| 18:07:35 | amiconn | target tree |
| 18:08:32 | jhMikeS | of course, but in the way targeting the pcm stuff abstracted all the pcm handling |
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| 18:08:44 | amiconn | Ordinary pcf quick charge doesn't limit current (apart from component overcurrent protection, 2 amps) |
| 18:09:41 | amiconn | So usb charging must use pre-charging mode with a higher factor, but then we need to control current selection "by hand" |
| 18:10:17 | amiconn | Fortunately there's a safety timer built into the charger module, so we can make sure things won't run away when rockbox crashes |
| 18:11:07 | amiconn | We just need to set a small enough timeout, and reset it every time we check voltage and temp, and they are within range |
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| 18:13:52 | jhMikeS | I don't think I need more pcf heatups...two is scarey enough to watch (and feel) |
| 18:14:02 | barrywardell | is any of that implemented yet? |
| 18:14:05 | Juice^ | http://rafb.net/p/C8KRcJ82.html - where could i set the correct directory? |
| 18:14:41 | Juice^ | Maby i need to re-setup cygwin.. an missing arm-elf-gcc? |
| 18:14:49 | jhMikeS | clobbering certain zero area addresses can make the whole thing have a seizure |
| 18:16:09 | jhMikeS | ahh...but all part of recording work |
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| 18:18:21 | jhMikeS | actually I recall now it was a PLL mistake that triggered it |
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| 18:33:20 | amiconn | Mini G2 backlight draws more power than I expected |
| 18:33:36 | amiconn | Runtime with backlight on was only 4h 39min |
| 18:34:11 | bluebrother | ouch. |
| 18:35:07 | jhMikeS | without? |
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| 18:35:37 | amiconn | Without backlight I got 9h 07min |
| 18:36:43 | amiconn | That was quite a while back in May 2006, so perhaps I should re-run a no-backlight test |
| 18:37:01 | * | amiconn has a collection of battery_bench logs |
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| 18:39:43 | * | jhMikeS recalls all those movie scenes with a room full of clocks running and sees amiconn with DAPs in a similar fashion |
| 18:39:58 | amiconn | hehe |
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| 18:40:21 | amiconn | I don't have enough of those beasts to fill a room ;) |
| 18:40:37 | pixelma | depends on the room ;) |
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| 18:43:44 | bluebrother | do we have a somewhat "standard" setup for battery benchmarks? |
| 18:44:06 | bluebrother | like a playlist with freely downloadable tracks |
| 18:44:41 | amiconn | I don't think we have a fixed setup for benchmarks yet |
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| 18:45:32 | amiconn | The 'standard' in the past was usually 192kbps mp3, at least afaik, and that's what I use |
| 18:45:47 | bluebrother | I think we could use tracks from the machinae supremacy page −− they have high quality mp3 and ogg versions |
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| 18:46:44 | amiconn | mp3 has the advantage that it is playable on all targets, but on swcodec it makes coldfire look good and arm look bad in comparison |
| 18:46:50 | XavierGr | amiconn: have you updated the runtime pages with all your batter_benches results? |
| 18:47:35 | jhMikeS | things got a lot better for cf recently too with no boost with all effects on :) |
| 18:47:35 | nikosapi | Are there any builds of rockbox that work on the 5.5G (80GB) ipod? |
| 18:47:36 | * | bluebrother prefers ogg anyway, so test running with mp3 files aren't that much signigicant to me |
| 18:47:43 | * | amiconn wants to know how to do disk poweroff on ipods :( |
| 18:47:46 | XavierGr | amiconn: you have made many bbs it would be a shame not to have them in the wiki. |
| 18:47:51 | bluebrother | nikosapi: afaik no |
| 18:48:18 | bluebrother | btw, the battery_benchmark plugin could save the settings too |
| 18:48:26 | bluebrother | (is this easily possible?) |
| 18:48:31 | nikosapi | I have iPL running fine on it, but I want to try rockbox... |
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| 18:48:36 | XavierGr | save the settings? |
| 18:48:53 | XavierGr | bluebrother: which settings do you mean? |
| 18:48:57 | bluebrother | yeah, so you'll later know what e.g. the backlight settings of that test was |
| 18:49:03 | bluebrother | XavierGr: all :) |
| 18:49:04 | XavierGr | ah nice idea |
| 18:49:08 | amiconn | bluebrother: The settings yes, but it won't know the format played |
| 18:49:30 | bluebrother | or at least all settings that are relevant for the runtime test |
| 18:49:30 | jhMikeS | things got better for ogg too on cf at least...don't know if the alignment helped arm at all |
| 18:49:30 | amiconn | It could just use the settings save function called with a suitable filename |
| 18:49:36 | XavierGr | bleubrother: it can be extended to do so, quite easily iirc |
| 18:49:46 | bluebrother | right, file format won't get saved. |
| 18:49:51 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Thing is, mp3 doesn't boost at all on coldfire |
| 18:49:59 | XavierGr | the same happens to detect mAh setting |
| 18:50:10 | bluebrother | sounds nice. |
| 18:50:14 | XavierGr | so it can happen for virtually any setting I suppose |
| 18:50:30 | jhMikeS | Used to if the dsp had extra stuff going until all the asm |
| 18:50:51 | bluebrother | but if we have a standard runtime test playlist ... it could save the name of the playlist used, couldn't it? |
| 18:50:57 | amiconn | XavierGr: Instead of getting each setting individually, just save all settings to battery_bench.cfg or such |
| 18:50:58 | jhMikeS | It should soon be even faster |
| 18:51:21 | XavierGr | amiconn: yes if we want to log all settings that would be best |
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| 18:52:26 | XavierGr | I wonder where Bger is lost, he helped quite a lot (among other things) while developing battery_bench... |
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| 19:07:19 | Juice^ | Im testing voice playback for menus, directories etc on the sansa. It seems to playback the voice speech too fast. is there any place to adjust this speed? (alot too fast actually) |
| 19:08:21 | Juice^ | have tried two different .voice files - both playing too speedy |
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| 19:10:01 | andrewg867 | hmm, I can't seem to figure out the problem with my driver |
| 19:10:05 | jhMikeS | can't see how unless the hardware sample rate is set too high or some other strange bug |
| 19:10:22 | andrewg867 | when it tries to build it keeps saying GPIOH_* is not defined |
| 19:10:52 | pixelma | Juice^: what .voice files did you try? |
| 19:11:23 | andrewg867 | Juice^: I think you need to use 44.1 khz files |
| 19:11:27 | Juice^ | english_VW Kate.voice and english_Reed.voice |
| 19:11:44 | Juice^ | both last updated 070307 |
| 19:11:49 | andrewg867 | I tried playing an mpeg video with a 22k sample rate and the audio played way too fast |
| 19:11:56 | pixelma | the Reeed.voice is definitely a read-fast-voice |
| 19:12:04 | pixelma | or Reed |
| 19:12:07 | jhMikeS | The sansa doesn't use the resampler? |
| 19:12:15 | andrewg867 | I don't think it does yet |
| 19:12:46 | jhMikeS | It shouldn't have choice |
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| 19:13:21 | t0dk0n | Yay! downtime \m/ |
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| 19:13:38 | pixelma | Juice^: it is s very fast voice - I tried that too - was too fast for me |
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| 19:15:27 | pixelma | the Kate.voice should be better but I couldn't try |
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| 19:16:20 | linuxstb | andrewg867: Audio must be 44.1KHz for mpegplayer at the moment. |
| 19:16:30 | andrewg867 | ahh I see |
| 19:17:00 | andrewg867 | I had the steve balmer "monkey boy" movie on there just to see if ti worked :P |
| 19:17:49 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: It's not a Sansa issues - mpegplayer doesn't pass the audio through the DSP layer, or even check the samplerate of the audio yet. |
| 19:18:06 | Nico_P | GodEater: wohoo ! your rbutil patch works :D |
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| 19:22:03 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: I was thinking about the voice thing but I guess it's just a fast voice |
| 19:22:26 | andrewg867 | yay, it seems my driver compiled :) |
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| 19:25:20 | webguest84 | hello... i'm trying to save a .cfg file on my gigabeat −− am in the on-screen keyboard screen −− what button saves? |
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| 19:27:40 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Ah, sorry, I misread the logs - two interleaved conversations... |
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| 19:32:15 | Juice^ | pixelma: do you know of any that is too fast then? |
| 19:32:40 | Juice^ | pixelma: one of those where so fast i couldnt even hear the full words pronounced |
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| 19:32:59 | Juice^ | was like double of the normal speed |
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| 19:36:07 | pixelma | I bet that was the Reed.voice. The only hint which could be slower is the file size -> the larger ones could be slower but also could be made with a higher quality. Sorry, I can't give you a better advice as I was only able to try the two smallest on my player. (could try in a sim but haven't) |
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| 19:39:44 | Ice8lue | would i be possible to port maybe Transport Tycoon or something similar to rockbox? |
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| 19:40:25 | Ice8lue | or sim city |
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| 19:48:25 | muesli__ | there was a bug in the last build. backlight on h3xx didnt turn while keylock is on |
| 19:48:30 | muesli__ | off |
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| 19:49:53 | muszek | hi |
| 19:50:17 | amiconn | Regarding the discussion "key lock" vs. "keylock yesterday - why not change the whole message instead? |
| 19:50:50 | andrewg867 | hmm, I think I broke the sandisk firmware, only one thing to say don't hold down the record button while the sandisk firmware is booting :P |
| 19:50:54 | amiconn | It currently says "keylock is on" (or "off"), but imho "keys are locked" ("unlocked") would be better |
| 19:50:55 | muszek | I'm trying to clean up my sister's sansa e250 before installing rockbox... only it always mounts as read only. Any idea why and what to do? Using Ubuntu 6.10, player is set to MSC (usb mode) |
| 19:51:32 | andrewg867 | remount it in the console as read-write? |
| 19:51:56 | andrewg867 | mount /dev/sda1 /media/{whatever} -t vfat -o rw,remount |
| 19:52:03 | andrewg867 | should work |
| 19:52:18 | amiconn | Afaik linux switches to read-only if it finds a filesystem error |
| 19:52:40 | muszek | andrewg867: my primary hdd is /dev/sda ... how do I find out which device is it? |
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| 19:52:53 | andrewg867 | just try pin mount and look at the listing |
| 19:53:13 | andrewg867 | where did that 'pin' come from... |
| 19:53:48 | andrewg867 | just do 'mount' and you will most likely see the sansa at the bottom of the list, maybe sdb1 or sdc |
| 19:53:57 | muszek | gparted "told" me... it's hdb. Thanks and hopefully I won't be back for more answers :) |
| 19:54:01 | Elara | I'm trying to uninstall Rockbox from my Ipod color photo in Windows XP Pro SP2, and I keep getting an error on the ipodpatcher step. Can anyone help? |
| 19:54:09 | muszek | *sdb |
| 19:54:56 | nicktastic | Am I ever happy Rockbox runs on the iAudio X5. The stock Cowon operating system is so frustrating to use. |
| 19:55:44 | linuxstb | Elara: What's the error? |
| 19:57:04 | Elara | linuxstb: It says: Error Reading Disk Geometry: The Device Is Not Ready. |
| 19:57:24 | linuxstb | I've never seen that before... |
| 19:57:39 | Elara | But XP reads it just fine. I had no trouble deleting the rockbox.ipod file. |
| 19:58:02 | linuxstb | How are you running ipodpatcher? Just double-clicking on the .exe ? |
| 19:58:20 | Elara | Nope, I'm in cmd. |
| 19:58:39 | Elara | And, I'm in the exact folder where ipodpatcher is located. |
| 19:58:54 | linuxstb | There's no need to do that - with the latest ipodpatcher, you just double-click on it. |
| 19:59:03 | andrewg867 | linuxstb: for the AS3514 AUDIOSET1 is 0x60 (1100000) then to enable line 1 and 2 would be 1111000, 0x78 right? |
| 19:59:07 | linuxstb | It will then give you a prompt, and you can say "u" for uninstall. |
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| 19:59:54 | andrewg867 | also how would I turn up the line in gains? |
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| 20:00:37 | linuxstb | andrewg867: Sorry, I don't know anything about the AS3514. |
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| 20:01:21 | andrewg867 | too bad I don't have access to the datasheet ;P |
| 20:01:38 | Elara | Ok, let me download the latest one and see if that works. Would it matter that I already deleted the rockbox.ipod file? |
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| 20:01:55 | andrewg867 | well this is going to have to wait until someone who knows about it happens to come on irc |
| 20:01:58 | linuxstb | No, ipodpatcher doesn't care about the rockbox files, just the boootloader. |
| 20:02:10 | muszek | andrewg867: mount: /media/bla not mounted already, or bad option |
| 20:02:38 | linuxstb | andreg867: Yes, it would have been nice if AMS had published the datasheets... |
| 20:03:44 | andrewg867 | muszek: then try umounting 'umount /media/bla' (or the location 'mount' says its already mounted in then remounting 'mount /dev/hdb1 /media/bla -t vfat -o rw' |
| 20:04:07 | muszek | andrewg867: oh... I did that after unmounting :) |
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| 20:05:41 | muszek | andrewg867: worked, thanks |
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| 20:08:19 | muszek | I installed rockbox on my iAudio X5 half a year ago or so... is there any good reason to upgrade? |
| 20:11:05 | |Rincewind| | a lot of things have changed since then, muszek |
| 20:12:50 | muszek | "Luck is my middle name," said Rincewind, indistinctly. "Mind you, my first name is Bad." - one of my favorite quotes :) |
| 20:13:45 | bluebrother | muszek: see the changelog linked at the front page |
| 20:14:18 | muszek | bluebrother: rgr (sorry to bother you with the question in the first place...) |
| 20:15:11 | |Rincewind| | yes, that one is great |
| 20:17:19 | * | amiconn just had an idea how to make longer splashes than 22 chars usable on the archos player |
| 20:19:41 | bluebrother | muszek: it's much easier as we don't know exactly what state of Rockbox you are aware of ;-) |
| 20:20:14 | Bagder | +62 |
| 20:20:37 | Bagder | oops |
| 20:20:45 | Bagder | that was Rex |
| 20:21:02 | linuxstb | Hello Rex. |
| 20:21:29 | bluebrother | \o/ |
| 20:22:00 | Bagder | banging on the keyboard, chewing on a usb cable... |
| 20:24:05 | muszek | cool, last.fm logs :) |
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| 20:25:59 | webguest83 | hey, uh...can the gigabeat OF *actually* play wavpack, as the comparison table reports? |
| 20:26:30 | linuxstb | Where does it say that? |
| 20:26:59 | webguest83 | FeatureComparison |
| 20:27:19 | webguest83 | i told markun about this a few days ago - he removed it, and now somebody's added it back |
| 20:27:34 | linuxstb | I'm sure that must be a mistake... |
| 20:27:49 | webguest83 | i figure |
| 20:27:58 | linuxstb | Maybe someone is confusing it with plain WAV |
| 20:28:15 | * | amiconn wonders whether there is a single gui_(sync)splash call that does *not* use centering |
| 20:28:30 | webguest83 | yeah. well, i'd remove it, but i don't have write access. :) |
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| 20:28:51 | Nico_P | webguest83: i'm sure he'll edit it again :) |
| 20:29:10 | Nico_P | i did check and i'm pretty sure the GB can't do wavpack |
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| 20:29:19 | webguest83 | heh |
| 20:29:28 | linuxstb | He's Soader03 - I'm sure I've seen him around... |
| 20:29:57 | pixelma | I think he's more active in the forums |
| 20:30:34 | linuxstb | I'll send him a PM in the forum. |
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| 20:31:20 | webguest83 | ok, classy! |
| 20:33:39 | webguest83 | shame twiki doesn't have edit summaries |
| 20:33:55 | webguest83 | anyway, i'm off. thanks! |
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| 20:34:37 | linuxstb | amiconn: I've never noticed an uncentered splash... |
| 20:34:50 | amiconn | I found one single uncentered splash so far |
| 20:34:59 | amiconn | All syncsplashes are centered |
| 20:35:03 | linuxstb | Which one isn't? |
| 20:35:14 | amiconn | Player volume change in the wps |
| 20:35:23 | amiconn | That could and should be centered as well |
| 20:35:39 | amiconn | Then we can drop the 'bool center' parameter completely |
| 20:35:50 | linuxstb | Sounds sensible. |
| 20:36:18 | amiconn | Just checking the plugin splash calls as well... |
| 20:36:52 | amiconn | Wow, these are more than all core splashes... |
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| 20:39:36 | amiconn | ...and they're all 'true' except one |
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| 20:40:07 | amiconn | ...which could also be centered with no problem |
| 20:40:29 | amiconn | Any objections against slashing 'bool center' from *splash() ? |
| 20:43:21 | amiconn | (it means changing 500 calls btw) |
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| 21:01:34 | perl|work | http://reviews.cnet.com/4326-13362_7-6565453-7.html?tag=ss_nxt |
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| 21:07:24 | Zagor | server upgrade postponed 24h due to physical access issues |
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| 21:22:53 | Juice^ | when running ../tools/configure - how can i change the source code root directory? it seems to be incorrect.. |
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| 21:34:16 | Bagder | Juice^: check the produced Makefile |
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| 21:35:00 | amiconn | Hmm. Saves less space than expected for the core, but it still saves something... |
| 21:35:56 | Juice^ | Bagder: where is that normally stored? |
| 21:36:25 | Bagder | it gets generated in the build directory where you invoke configure in |
| 21:36:53 | amiconn | -588 byte for fmrecorder |
| 21:40:19 | linuxstb | Juice^: What the full path of the directory you ran ../tools/configure from? Are there any spaces? |
| 21:41:40 | Zagor | amiconn: I think the cleaner api is worth the change even if the size gain isn't that big |
| 21:42:00 | amiconn | I think so too |
| 21:42:13 | amiconn | Just working my way through the plugins |
| 21:42:15 | * | linuxstb adds a "me too" |
| 21:42:27 | amiconn | Twice as many calls from plugins as from core |
| 21:42:46 | amiconn | But the change itself is quick and simple |
| 21:43:07 | amiconn | Hmm, the commit might break the langv2 cleanup patch somewhat... |
| 21:43:44 | Juice^ | linuxstb: not sure... i type ../tools/configure in the cygwin bash.. and it doesnt show a full path.. but it seems like my rockbox source directory has been placed here by CVS earlier, that might be the trouble i guess.. C:\Documents and Settings\Frode\rockbox |
| 21:44:05 | Juice^ | I just need to set the source dir to be C:\cygwin\bin\rockbox-devel |
| 21:44:23 | Juice^ | But i dont know where to set it |
| 21:44:38 | Juice^ | I guess its stored somewhere for cygwin |
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| 21:45:37 | Bagder | Juice^: what's so hard to understand with my explanation? |
| 21:45:49 | Bagder | the source path is stored in the Makefile that configure produces for you |
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| 21:46:46 | Bagder | the question is of course why it gets the path wrong in the first place |
| 21:47:02 | Bagder | configure is known to work for quite a few people |
| 21:47:03 | Juice^ | I dont think its the correct place to look.. Correct |
| 21:47:10 | Juice^ | in the first place its going to the wrong place |
| 21:47:37 | Bagder | and how are your dir hierarchy for this setup? |
| 21:47:41 | Juice^ | I have no idea why CVS placed my source root at C:\Documents and Settings\Frode\rockbox |
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| 21:48:10 | Bagder | oh, spaces in the path... |
| 21:48:16 | Juice^ | yes that too |
| 21:48:24 | japj | hello |
| 21:48:28 | Bagder | I bet that can cause problems |
| 21:49:01 | Juice^ | Cygwin is placed to C:\cygwin - and the source from rockbox source downloaded with tortoise svn is in C:\cygwin\bin\rockbox-devel |
| 21:49:33 | Bagder | and in what dir do you run configure? |
| 21:50:11 | japj | I was wondering, is it possible to reduce the playing speed of audio with rockbox (realtime)? e.g. play on 80% of the normal speed? |
| 21:50:12 | Juice^ | configure seems to be linked to C:\Documents and Settings\Frode\rockbox\tools |
| 21:50:40 | Bagder | uh, you lost me now |
| 21:51:00 | Bagder | link from where? |
| 21:51:16 | Juice^ | ehm |
| 21:51:41 | Juice^ | Let me google this... its all strange |
| 21:52:00 | linuxstb | japj: Rockbox can increase/decrease the pitch, which will speed up/slow down playback. |
| 21:52:02 | Bagder | and you mentioned CVS, if you have a CVS tree around you should kill it |
| 21:52:41 | japj | linuxstb: hmm that's not exactly what I want, I want the pitch to be the same |
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| 21:53:07 | Juice^ | Bagder: how do i kill the cvs tree? just delete it? |
| 21:53:11 | Bagder | yes |
| 21:53:21 | merwin | so the sansa bootloader can now boot mi4 files? |
| 21:53:27 | japj | linuxstb: I'm a musician, and I want to listen to songs and be able to play along in a slower tempo |
| 21:53:28 | Bagder | we've used svn now for two months |
| 21:53:39 | linuxstb | japj: I guessed so... In which case, no, Rockbox can't do that. |
| 21:54:03 | * | amiconn notices some plugin authors didn't know that splash() has printf-style formatting :/ |
| 21:54:38 | japj | linuxstb: any idea if this is possible at all? (in realtime on a iAudio) |
| 21:54:59 | japj | linuxstb: what about in/decreasing the pitch, but keeping the tempo the same? |
| 21:55:07 | andrewg867 | Bagder: I think my sansa FM tuner driver is almost working, it compiles just needs some testing :) |
| 21:55:11 | Juice^ | Bagder: I guess i will have to reinstall cygwin. I installed svn a while ago, and it downloaded the source files into C:\cygwin\bin\rockbox-devel - so if i could just make it the active source dir for configure to run in |
| 21:55:38 | Bagder | andrewg867: nice! |
| 21:55:47 | Juice^ | andrewg867: kool. tell me it play on the european version missing the fm tuner too? :))) hehe |
| 21:55:57 | Bagder | Juice^: and why can't you? |
| 21:56:02 | linuxstb | japj: I think it's unlikely, but I'm no expert on these things. preglow is the person you want to talk to, but he's signed off for the weekend. |
| 21:56:12 | Bagder | Juice^: or move the source tree to whereever you want it |
| 21:56:21 | Bagder | it has nothing to do with cygwin or its installation |
| 21:56:29 | linuxstb | japj: Or just hang around - maybe someone else will reply to you. |
| 21:56:43 | japj | linuxstb: ok, thanks! |
| 21:57:15 | amiconn | Slasheri should be renamed to splasheri |
| 21:57:28 | amiconn | iriver_flash.rock has loads of them |
| 21:57:51 | amiconn | (and he's one of the aforementioned plugin devs) |
| 21:59:13 | Juice^ | Bagder: ofcourse, i can move it, but do you know where to define the new source for cygwin? |
| 21:59:22 | Bagder | you don't |
| 21:59:32 | Bagder | you just cd there and 'svn update' |
| 21:59:42 | Bagder | or do it with tortoisesvn if you rather use that |
| 21:59:45 | Juice^ | oh ok, let me try |
| 21:59:59 | bluebrother | japj: there's been a feature request for both mentioned playback modes quite a while ago |
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| 22:00:05 | bluebrother | it's in the tracker. |
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| 22:02:20 | thewho | How much work does it mean to convert a menu to the new API? If not that much i'd suggest to reorganise the context menu and the menu of the playlist viewer. |
| 22:02:37 | webguest87 | why is it that elephants dream plays fine (video) but others do not? |
| 22:03:37 | thewho | The list view options could be moved to the settings. And the "Save current list" to the context menu of the list viewer. |
| 22:03:41 | Juice^ | Bagder: one step closer.. now i need to fix this : http://rafb.net/p/ccErI644.html |
| 22:04:12 | Bagder | how did you install the compiler? |
| 22:04:14 | scorche | webguest87: are these "others" encoded properly? |
| 22:04:19 | thewho | Then we could get rid of the playlist viewer list menu and show the normal main menu instead |
| 22:04:24 | Juice^ | Bagder: followed the guide in the wiki |
| 22:04:32 | webguest87 | yes, they are all encoded as .mpg |
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| 22:04:41 | webguest87 | either mpeg one or two |
| 22:04:49 | scorche | that isnt what i asked....encoded properly is more than just a format |
| 22:04:56 | Bagder | Juice^: you need to make your PATH contain the path to your cross-compiler tools |
| 22:04:58 | webguest87 | do tell |
| 22:05:18 | |Rincewind| | thewho: jdGordon wants to convert the menus you mention at some time |
| 22:05:18 | scorche | webguest87: read PluginMpegplayer (it is a page on our wiki) |
| 22:05:57 | thewho | |Rincewind|: just convert? Or also reorganise? |
| 22:05:58 | webguest87 | so would using a client such as SUPER to encode them as .mpg's count as encoding them properly? or should i just follow the wiki? |
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| 22:06:46 | scorche | as long as super can do the other selections such as screen size (ras), it is fine |
| 22:06:52 | |Rincewind| | thewho: converting first. Reorganisation is a seperate issue, and everything that should be reorganised about the menus will be discussed to death before |
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| 22:07:03 | thewho | I've learned today how those menues are and that struck me. Historical reasons maybe. |
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| 22:07:52 | |Rincewind| | I have looked in the playlist viewer code recently and I've seen quite a few strange things there |
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| 22:08:12 | japj | japj: ok, I found several items related to this... do you have any idea if the hardware of an iAudio (processor + all the specific audio chips) would be capable of doing this in realtime? |
| 22:08:15 | japj | duh |
| 22:08:21 | thewho | |Rincewind|: yes, they should be. But I think that would be quite logical. What are the list viewing options doing in the viewer menu? |
| 22:08:25 | japj | bluebrother: ok, I found several items related to this... do you have any idea if the hardware of an iAudio (processor + all the specific audio chips) would be capable of doing this in realtime? |
| 22:08:37 | thewho | They clearly (for me at least :-) belong to the settings |
| 22:08:52 | |Rincewind| | for me too |
| 22:09:33 | thewho | |Rincewind|: well, then there's a chance that we'll agree on that (I mean not only we two but also the others) |
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| 22:10:18 | webguest87 | can somebody give me a link to the page in the wiki that details encoding MPEG files? i cant find it. |
| 22:10:41 | thewho | Is there a description of the new menu API btw? Not how exactly it works but how it should be used? What should be returned, item types etc? |
| 22:10:53 | |Rincewind| | It doesn't mean a thing if _i_ agree with you... |
| 22:10:53 | Juice^ | webguest87: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#How_to_encode_files |
| 22:11:02 | webguest87 | thank you |
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| 22:11:41 | |Rincewind| | the description of the new menu api is the code itself. You can start in the relevant header files and look for comments there |
| 22:11:55 | t0dk0n | Is there somewhere in the Manaul for ipod video to change the way your time looks on WPS? |
| 22:12:08 | thewho | |Rincewind|: that I have thought! |
| 22:12:16 | t0dk0n | I can't find it on the WPS tags file |
| 22:12:32 | t0dk0n | s/file/section |
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| 22:12:40 | bluebrother | japj: afaik it _should_ be possible. But the task would be quite some work |
| 22:12:49 | bluebrother | and absolutely not easy. |
| 22:13:07 | linuxstb | t0dk0n: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Real_Time_Clock |
| 22:13:11 | bluebrother | but I don't know any details. It's just what I know from following the discussion |
| 22:13:25 | t0dk0n | linuxstb: thank you :) |
| 22:13:56 | thewho | Would a patch doing two things at the same time be accepted? I mean reorganising AND converting the menu? I could then try to do that. |
| 22:14:58 | thewho | But I wouldn't want to do something that doesn't have a chance from the start |
| 22:15:41 | linuxstb | Generally single-step patches I preferred I think. |
| 22:15:46 | bluebrother | linuxstb: is there a way to force ipodpatcher to access the disk? |
| 22:15:52 | linuxstb | bluebrother: No. |
| 22:16:06 | linuxstb | ^are preferred |
| 22:16:06 | bluebrother | :( |
| 22:16:25 | linuxstb | What's gone wrong? |
| 22:17:47 | bluebrother | I want to write the bootloader to a disk that is completely empty |
| 22:17:54 | |Rincewind| | thewho: It might be a good idea to ask a few of the main devs what they think of you idea first |
| 22:18:15 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Download the Apple firmware and write it to the disk with dd |
| 22:18:21 | |Rincewind| | if you convert the menus first, then it should be rather trivial to reorganize them later in a second patch |
| 22:18:38 | andrewg867 | are there any devs here that know about the AS3514? |
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| 22:19:23 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I've documented the process (although very briefly) in the IpodManualRestoration (IIRC) wiki page |
| 22:19:35 | Juice^ | Bagder: This is not the one to use for sansa? PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/opt/sh/bin:/opt/m68k/bin:/opt/arm/bin:$PATH |
| 22:19:50 | Juice^ | Im looking at profile |
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| 22:26:11 | Juice^ | Bagder: Another step forward here... |
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| 22:30:35 | Juice^ | any clues ? http://rafb.net/p/aqDDre62.html |
| 22:31:30 | Bagder | use 'make V=1' to get to see the full compile command lines, they make tell something |
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| 22:34:41 | amiconn | phew |
| 22:34:57 | Bagder | starting now, the distributed builds should only start if ./tools/svnupcheck.pl outputs "rebuild" |
| 22:35:30 | Bagder | "svn up | ./tools/svnupcheck.pl" |
| 22:37:55 | t0dk0n | http://farm1.static.flickr.com/131/423437901_8775946e2c.jpg?v=0 |
| 22:38:06 | t0dk0n | My edit of the Ubuntu theme for Rockbox on ipod 5g Video |
| 22:38:25 | t0dk0n | I'm not quite done editing it though... need to get rid of the Ubuntu logo and replace it with SLACKWARE =D |
| 22:40:38 | t0dk0n | tootles |
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| 22:42:44 | andrewg867 | I think I just figured out a small change that seems to have helped the over-current detection on the sansa |
| 22:42:57 | andrewg867 | it's not going higher than before |
| 22:43:15 | andrewg867 | just change the line to pp_i2c_send(AS3514_I2C_ADDR, HPH_OUT_R, 0x40 | vol_r); /* Right Headphone Register */ |
| 22:43:41 | andrewg867 | the 0x40 turnes up the headphone over-current detection to 512ms instead of 256ms |
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| 22:45:37 | Juice^ | http://rafb.net/p/BrAzn541.html ? |
| 22:46:27 | Bagder | you build in the same dir as is the source root? |
| 22:47:09 | Juice^ | I guess :S |
| 22:47:33 | Bagder | you really should try to follow the guidelines |
| 22:47:36 | japj | you should build out of tree |
| 22:47:41 | austriancoder | andrewg867: from where do you know the ms values? |
| 22:47:43 | andrewg867 | err, *it is going higher than before |
| 22:47:47 | Juice^ | let me read the guidelines once again |
| 22:49:25 | andrewg867 | austriancoder: it does help the output though |
| 22:49:48 | Juice^ | Bagder: sorry, im quite tired too :) i'll get some coffe |
| 22:50:07 | Bagder | Juice^: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile |
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| 22:50:12 | Bagder | step 2 |
| 22:50:18 | Juice^ | Bagder: Yes, im on that page |
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| 22:54:43 | Sane | err, is there some trick to having your computer recognize your device when Rockbox is installed? |
| 22:55:15 | Bagder | Sane: no, you just follow the steps |
| 22:55:22 | Bagder | and then it works |
| 22:55:26 | Juice^ | Bagder: still getting the "make[1]: *** [/bin/rockbox/build/apps/lang.o] Error 53" have made the build dir, and ran configure for it and set it to 50 for sansa |
| 22:56:10 | Juice^ | I think he means to have your device work with USB on the pc while running rockbox? |
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| 22:56:35 | Bagder | oh, is that what you ask Sane ? |
| 22:56:54 | Bagder | Juice^: can you invoke that final perl command line manually on the command prompt? |
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| 22:58:22 | Sane | Yeah well, I just got my iriver H10 20GB, copied the bootload, installed Rockbox, and when I connect it via USB, I get a "not recognized" signal, but if I use the UMS trick, it loads with the iriver look and allows me to access the player |
| 22:58:37 | Sane | so my question is, is there no way to access my player while running Rockbox |
| 22:59:06 | Bagder | Sane: not yet, rockbox on h10 has no usb support |
| 22:59:12 | Sane | ah i c |
| 22:59:12 | Juice^ | Bagder: Thats a bit too complicated for my skills im afraid |
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| 23:01:45 | amiconn | ...monster commit... |
| 23:02:12 | Bagder | the best kind! |
| 23:02:58 | XavierGr | amiconn: that's the third wordplay attempt on Slasheri :P (along with Flasheri and Cacheri) |
| 23:03:20 | amiconn | hehe |
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| 23:03:49 | Bagder | there's a swedish saying that goes something like "a loved child has many names" |
| 23:03:55 | XavierGr | indeed |
| 23:04:31 | XavierGr | I love Slasheri just by the dircache feature (not to mention the others) |
| 23:04:40 | Bagder | my svn update check at least worked for the monster |
| 23:05:00 | donutman25 | is usb working in sansa yet? |
| 23:05:05 | Bagder | nope |
| 23:05:32 | _Amblin | Badger: With rockbox loaded, about how much video buffer can MPEG Player use? |
| 23:05:49 | Bagder | the whole audio buffer |
| 23:06:03 | _Amblin | How large is that in MB? |
| 23:06:15 | amiconn | Depends on the target, and on some settings |
| 23:06:25 | _Amblin | Im trying to cut my files accordingly |
| 23:06:25 | amiconn | Roughly ram_size - 2MB |
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| 23:08:16 | _Amblin | I take a 30 MB file, it plays for about 2/3rds the way through before quitting...so maybe I should limit file sizes to about 15 MBs? |
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| 23:10:30 | webguest40 | I do believe that that big long update to svn just broke something! |
| 23:10:51 | Bagder | why what? |
| 23:11:05 | webguest40 | I was just makeing builds |
| 23:11:14 | webguest40 | and it worked fine |
| 23:11:20 | pixelma | a bit of yellow - an oversight in midiplay it seems |
| 23:11:30 | webguest40 | then I updated and it failed |
| 23:11:35 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 23:11:35 | * | amiconn wonders why the saving for archos is lower than what I got here when comparing my own builds |
| 23:11:56 | Bagder | that's odd |
| 23:12:02 | webguest40 | I now see that someone did a big load of changes |
| 23:12:14 | webguest40 | I do have patches |
| 23:12:18 | Bagder | webguest40: as you can see on the build page, all builds still build |
| 23:12:21 | Bagder | ah |
| 23:12:22 | amiconn | Maybe I have some changes in my main tree which help archos bin size |
| 23:12:24 | Bagder | then fix your patches |
| 23:12:29 | pixelma | webguest40: the syntax for splashscreens has changed so to speak |
| 23:12:38 | webguest40 | i will try building with out patches |
| 23:13:00 | amiconn | I simply overlooked a single plugin |
| 23:14:14 | amiconn | Hmm, how can I replace a certain string in all source files with another string? |
| 23:14:21 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:14:25 | amiconn | ...without doing it by hand of course |
| 23:14:53 | webguest40 | building now |
| 23:14:56 | Bagder | sed or perl |
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| 23:16:10 | Fingolfin | hi there. I am from the ScummVM project, and we just noticed that your SoC suggestions include a ScummVM port to rockbox |
| 23:16:11 | Bagder | amiconn: perl -ie is a common trick |
| 23:16:13 | Fingolfin | first off: way cool :) |
| 23:16:22 | Fingolfin | second: could you please fix the link to our forums? |
| 23:16:34 | Bagder | fix as in... ? |
| 23:16:34 | andrewg867 | how do you convert an int to a char in C? |
| 23:16:41 | Fingolfin | it points to forums-he, but should point to forums (forums-he is an alias which was temporarily used when we moved to alternate hosting) |
| 23:16:59 | Fingolfin | also, you may want to add a link to http://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php/HOWTO-Backends |
| 23:17:04 | Bagder | andrewg867: you mean 32 to 8 bit, or 32bit number to a string? |
| 23:18:13 | webguest40 | told u there was an error |
| 23:18:18 | webguest40 | he just fixed it |
| 23:18:30 | Bagder | Fingolfin: updated! |
| 23:18:49 | Bagder | webguest40: yes, we saw 2 warnings on the build page |
| 23:18:57 | Bagder | warnings are not errors |
| 23:20:07 | andrewg867 | Bagder: 32bit number to sring |
| 23:20:11 | Fingolfin | Bagder: thanks. should you actually end up with somebody working on this, we are of course also willing to help (as this likely will require both Rockbox and ScummVM knowledge) |
| 23:20:12 | andrewg867 | *string |
| 23:20:19 | Bagder | andrewg867: snprintf() |
| 23:20:52 | Bagder | Fingolfin: thanks, I bet some talks will be required in both camps indeed |
| 23:20:54 | andrewg867 | thanks |
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| 23:23:07 | nikosapi | Is there any way I can get rockbox on my 5.5G (80GB) ipod? And if not, is work being done to get it working? |
| 23:23:27 | Bagder | nikosapi: work is being done, albeit a bit slow |
| 23:23:38 | Bagder | but no, it doesn't work atm |
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| 23:24:33 | nikosapi | So there's no super-alpha-beta-expirimental build available? ;-) |
| 23:24:54 | Bagder | not that I know of |
| 23:24:55 | * | amiconn thinks that figuring out how to do the replacement with perl or sed would take him longer than doing it by hand :/ |
| 23:25:14 | Bagder | amiconn: I'll offer you a script, hang on... |
| 23:25:32 | lavid | nikosapi: the ipodlinux group just got their svn to work on the 5.5G 80GB. |
| 23:25:52 | lavid | nikosapi: so it's possible that it might be coming soon |
| 23:26:14 | amiconn | Not too soon |
| 23:26:28 | nikosapi | I know, but I want rockbox, iPL doesn't do what rockbox can |
| 23:26:32 | lavid | amiconn: thus my extensive use of conditionals |
| 23:26:56 | nikosapi | np, anywho, thanks for the update. bye |
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| 23:27:01 | amiconn | We know what the problem is, but solving that involves changing the fat filesystem driver, and this driver doesn't share code with linux, and hence ipl, at all |
| 23:27:19 | lavid | oh well, he's gone |
| 23:28:38 | Bagder | amiconn: http://pastebin.ca/398049 |
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| 23:30:43 | amiconn | Bagder: Thanks, that was quick :) |
| 23:31:10 | Bagder | I've written them so many times... |
| 23:31:37 | amiconn | Hmm, does that descend into subdirs? |
| 23:31:41 | Bagder | no |
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| 23:32:07 | homielowe | Bagder: Is the TMS320-based target you mentioned on the GSOC wiki page similar or actually this player http://mrobefan.elwiki.com/Hardware_Information |
| 23:32:13 | Bagder | you can extend the wildcard wiht */*.[ch] etc for a simple version |
| 23:32:41 | Bagder | homielowe: that's an example of such a target |
| 23:32:54 | homielowe | tbadger: thankyou |
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| 23:33:14 | Bagder | homielowe: see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TexasInstrumentsTMS320 |
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| 23:33:47 | homielowe | badger: probably should have searched more |
| 23:33:53 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:34:51 | amiconn | Hmm, that doesn't work |
| 23:35:14 | amiconn | It complains about an unexpected token |
| 23:35:51 | Bagder | hm, insert a space before the semicolon on the for line |
| 23:36:18 | amiconn | same. |
| 23:36:39 | Bagder | what's the exacy error message? |
| 23:36:43 | Bagder | exact |
| 23:37:05 | amiconn | $ ./repl.sh |
| 23:37:05 | amiconn | : command not found |
| 23:37:05 | amiconn | '/repl.sh: line 3: syntax error near unexpected token `do |
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| 23:37:05 | amiconn | '/repl.sh: line 3: `for t in *.[chS] ; do |
| 23:37:13 | amiconn | Hmm, command not found |
| 23:37:21 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 23:37:21 | * | amiconn wonders what command that would be |
| 23:37:36 | Bagder | newline problem? |
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| 23:38:02 | amiconn | Blargh, me hatses it |
| 23:38:08 | amiconn | You were right... |
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| 23:40:16 | Sane | Question: If I make my player dualboot and use the original iriver firmware, will there be any problems if I have unreadable codecs (such as FLAC) on my player? |
| 23:40:54 | Bagder | nope |
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| 23:44:02 | andrewg867 | brb |
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| 23:52:31 | bluebrother | find apps/ -name '*.c' -exec "sed -e 's/bool/BOOL/g' {} > {}.new && mv {}.new {}" \; |
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| 23:52:49 | bluebrother | argh. |
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| 23:54:32 | * | bluebrother starts wondering how apple mounts the click wheel in the mini without it getting scratched all over |
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