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| 02:07:58 | Nico_P | my WPS tokenizer patch is starting to be near ready :) |
| 02:08:11 | JdGordon | w00t :D |
| 02:08:14 | Nico_P | i'm just a bit disappointed with the size gains |
| 02:08:41 | JdGordon | size isnt everything |
| 02:08:52 | * | JdGordon just walked into badness :p |
| 02:08:56 | Nico_P | you want to see it ? |
| 02:09:25 | JdGordon | i had a quik look last night... wont have a cance today |
| 02:09:42 | JdGordon | actaully i tink i only got down as far as the debug code :p |
| 02:10:43 | Nico_P | ok :) |
| 02:10:45 | Zagor | web server is now up again. (phew) |
| 02:12:25 | Nico_P | only 48 B gain on the gigabeat :( |
| 02:12:37 | Nico_P | and i think on archos targets my code is bigger |
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| 02:12:54 | JdGordon | didnt you say 1k last night? |
| 02:13:18 | Nico_P | JdGordon: I did, but i underestimated the code i had left to add |
| 02:13:29 | JdGordon | aaww :( |
| 02:13:33 | markun | JdGordon: you keep increasing rockbox with almost every commit.. :) |
| 02:13:41 | markun | binary size |
| 02:13:47 | JdGordon | but... i dropped it by a lot before.... |
| 02:13:55 | JdGordon | so it all evens out eventauyll |
| 02:16:06 | markun | I didn't keep a close eye on the amount you reduced the binary size before. |
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| 02:24:07 | toffe82_ | hey markun |
| 02:24:53 | toffe82_ | just got a lcd working for a gigabeat S so I can rebuild another working one ;) |
| 02:26:46 | Nico_P | is there someone who could test my WPS patch on an ipod to see if it helps with the boosting ? |
| 02:27:18 | Nico_P | ATM i only have a gigabeat, and it's not very useful to measure gains on |
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| 02:27:59 | Nico_P | an ipod or anything that needs to boost with some codecs |
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| 02:30:54 | Nico_P | linuxstb_ ? |
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| 02:32:32 | webguest33 | what does this define in libmad actually do: |
| 02:32:35 | webguest33 | #define MAD_F(x)((mad_fixed_t) (x##L)) |
| 02:33:02 | webguest33 | i've never seen the x##L syntax before |
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| 02:39:33 | Bawitdaba | ah here it is |
| 02:39:49 | Bawitdaba | faq said u guys were @ openprojects.net which doesnt exist |
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| 02:40:29 | Entasis | webguest33: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/cpp/Concatenation.html#Concatenation |
| 02:42:08 | Bawitdaba | i dont have a mp3 player but i am going to buy one, was wondering rockbox is a complete firmware replacement and it acts as a mass storage device so u dont have to use mtp/3rd party stuff? |
| 02:42:24 | Bawitdaba | not sure what im gonna get yet either and ipod or zen vision |
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| 02:45:14 | webguest33 | Bawitdaba: Rockbox completely replaces the original firmware |
| 02:45:36 | Bawitdaba | awsome, i assume is much better or equel to it? |
| 02:45:45 | Bawitdaba | ive only seen some limited screens |
| 02:45:47 | dan333 | hey does anyone know how well rockbox works on the Toshiba: Gigabeat |
| 02:47:48 | voltagex | Bawitdaba: afaik there's no Zen port, correct me if I'm wrong |
| 02:47:55 | webguest33 | dan333: I believe its supposed to work quite well |
| 02:47:59 | webguest33 | no recording yet though |
| 02:48:10 | voltagex | Bawitdaba: currently, best players IMO are the Gigabeat and the iRivers |
| 02:48:11 | Bawitdaba | yeah i know i am hoping that in the future one will be made |
| 02:48:39 | dan333 | what is the hard drive size do u know |
| 02:49:05 | Bawitdaba | i wanted something at 80gb or more but that is pretty hard to find, have to settle for 60gb |
| 02:49:48 | webguest33 | Entasis: thanks, but I don't understand what the L does either |
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| 02:52:11 | Entasis | webguest33: L is just a symbol, MAD_F(foo) => ((mad_fixed_t) (fooL)) |
| 02:52:13 | webguest33 | oh |
| 02:52:17 | webguest33 | yeah just figured it out |
| 02:52:21 | Entasis | :) |
| 02:52:24 | webguest33 | specifies that its a long type |
| 02:52:30 | Bawitdaba | oh and voltagex the new gigabeat s's (if u can call them new lol) aren't supported for rockbox either right |
| 02:52:48 | Bawitdaba | cuz i was looking at one of toshibas 60gb ones i think it was a gigabeat |
| 02:53:02 | webguest33 | yes, only F and X are supported |
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| 02:54:54 | Bawitdaba | think it was a piano whatever that is, ran media center portable edition it says gigabeat on the pic of it tho looks pretty sharp supposedly the predicesor to zune |
| 02:55:05 | Bawitdaba | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16855167014 |
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| 02:55:37 | Soap | No recording on the gigabeat "yet", webguest33, because the gigabeat doesn't have the hardware to record. |
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| 02:56:40 | Juice- | voltagex: what about the iAudio X5's .. they look nice and have great storage |
| 02:56:47 | Nico_P | Soap: are you sure it isn't possible to record via a custom dock ? |
| 02:57:14 | Soap | Bawitdaba: despite what webguest33 says, Rockbox does not "completely replace the original firmware" on most devices. For example, the iPod of which you asked, Rockbox uses the Apple firmware for USB disk mode, and dual boot works great on almost all targets. |
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| 02:57:38 | Bawitdaba | ah |
| 02:57:54 | Soap | Nico_P: I can't speak as to such a dock, but the Gigabeat F/X itself has no recording hardware. |
| 02:57:59 | Bawitdaba | but when u load it or running it, it never uses old firmware |
| 02:58:17 | dan333 | anyone know what hard drive the ipod uses |
| 02:59:20 | Soap | Bawitdaba: correct, rockbox does not reuse any of the original firmware when running, but the original firmware is still there if you choose to use it. |
| 02:59:40 | Bawitdaba | screenshots of rockbox look really cool, was really looking to get something that i can just dump my mp3s on i have no drm junk i just wanna copy paste/sync i dont need itunes and stuff |
| 02:59:44 | Soap | I guess I see what webguest33 was saying, sorry for the semantic fight. |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:18 | Bawitdaba | plus its also a cool backup, never know when ur hd might die |
| 03:00:27 | Soap | yea, being able to browse your music by filename / path instead of the Apple database was a huge selling point for me. |
| 03:00:50 | Bawitdaba | yeah i got everything how i like it |
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| 03:01:39 | dan333 | what does rockboxdev.sh |
| 03:01:43 | dan333 | do |
| 03:02:10 | Soap | it is a shell script to download and build your cross-compilers. |
| 03:02:27 | dan333 | what app do i use to open it |
| 03:02:32 | Bawitdaba | do u know if anyone is expirementing with zen vision m and rockbox or if its possible at all, i didnt seem to find a page on rockbox site on devices that simply are impossible to put rockbox on for reason x,y |
| 03:03:08 | | Part nls |
| 03:03:46 | Bawitdaba | dan333 typically a .sh is a shell file for unix based systems similar to a batch file on windows |
| 03:04:04 | dan333 | o do I run it in cygwin |
| 03:04:14 | Bawitdaba | uhm u prolly could |
| 03:04:28 | Bawitdaba | if u open it up in a text editor u could read what it does |
| 03:04:33 | Bawitdaba | it might have helpfull comments |
| 03:04:51 | Bawitdaba | might be dangerous running it without knowing what it does |
| 03:05:23 | dan333 | so when I compile I get a warning error after I select normal build what should I do |
| 03:05:41 | dan333 | using cygwin |
| 03:05:49 | Bawitdaba | not sure |
| 03:05:59 | Bawitdaba | arent packages prebuilt, why do u need to compile it |
| 03:06:37 | dan333 | someone said I need to follow instructions for installing coldfire so I could compile |
| 03:07:16 | dan333 | and I looked on the wiki and it said for automadic install run that script thing |
| 03:07:29 | voltagex | Juice-: what's the biggest harddrive for the X5? |
| 03:07:44 | dan333 | 60 gb I think |
| 03:07:57 | voltagex | hmm |
| 03:08:15 | voltagex | see, if I could have a 250gb hard drive in an MP3 player I would |
| 03:08:19 | Bawitdaba | sad mp3 players dont have bigger drives yet |
| 03:08:24 | Bawitdaba | same |
| 03:08:26 | voltagex | although my collection is only 100gb atm |
| 03:08:35 | Bawitdaba | hell 1tb drives are out already for normal pcs |
| 03:08:40 | toffe82_ | Soap, Nico_P : one solution to record for the gigabeat could be using the analog input used by the remote connecting a microphone instead of the remote ( it will be a mono recording) . The other way is using the I2s bus on the dock connector (but we have to do the interface) |
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| 03:08:52 | Bawitdaba | perpendicular writting allows up to 5tb drives to be made |
| 03:09:08 | voltagex | Bawitdaba: that's a lot of high def pr0n |
| 03:09:18 | Bawitdaba | i hope |
| 03:09:25 | Nico_P | toffe82_: the custom dock idea seems cool |
| 03:09:27 | Soap | toffe82_: how about an ethernet jack while you're at it? ;) |
| 03:09:29 | Bawitdaba | try squeezing it on a 60gb mp3 player |
| 03:09:31 | toffe82_ | yes |
| 03:09:39 | Juice- | voltagex: yep its max 60gb.. a portable mp3 player with 250gb? hehe, would you carry a battery on a rucksack for it too? |
| 03:09:45 | Bawitdaba | yeah eithernet would rock |
| 03:10:00 | voltagex | Bawitdaba: the guys with video ipods at school have pr0n |
| 03:10:04 | Bawitdaba | would be nice to see a small mp3 player with a pcmcia slot |
| 03:10:35 | voltagex | Juice-: actually, I use my MP3 player in the house a lot so a wifi connection would do, but that chews batteries too |
| 03:10:44 | Juice- | these are so called ultra portable pcs.... not mp3 players :p |
| 03:11:06 | Bawitdaba | yeah i dont really want video |
| 03:11:06 | Soap | I think a SDIO slot would be more likely than a full PCMCIA ;) |
| 03:11:10 | * | voltagex needs to learn C and how to program USBOTG so I can write a wifi-class driver for the H340 |
| 03:11:10 | toffe82_ | Soap : when I will finish the usb interface (one day... ;) ) and if somebody write a usb driver for an usb ethernet, no problem |
| 03:11:12 | Bawitdaba | i just want mp3 and good quality |
| 03:11:19 | Bawitdaba | half of the mp3 players suck at quality |
| 03:11:37 | Bawitdaba | kinda want to get a zen for that reason creative is really good at audio products |
| 03:11:57 | voltagex | *cough* |
| 03:12:04 | daurnimator | voltagex: use a psp and shoutcast or something ;) |
| 03:12:07 | Bawitdaba | lol |
| 03:12:09 | webguest33 | Bawitdaba: I've posted RMAA results for a number of MP3 players |
| 03:12:15 | webguest33 | theres not a huge difference between them |
| 03:12:18 | voltagex | webguest33: ooh, please link |
| 03:12:22 | Soap | loaded or unloaded RMAA tests? |
| 03:12:29 | Bawitdaba | never said it was perfect |
| 03:12:35 | Bawitdaba | and i said audio in general |
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| 03:12:44 | voltagex | daurnimator: bleaarrrghh sony |
| 03:12:45 | webguest33 | hay Soap, this is saratoga |
| 03:12:49 | Soap | ahh |
| 03:12:51 | daurnimator | i know |
| 03:12:55 | daurnimator | sony sucks |
| 03:12:58 | webguest33 | mostly unloaded, only did loaded for the ipods since they have trouble |
| 03:13:02 | Bawitdaba | but sure ill have a loot at the RMA results where @ |
| 03:13:03 | daurnimator | but.... hardware is usually nice |
| 03:13:05 | JdGordon | hmmm... how far away from my stereo speaker should an external hard disk be? |
| 03:13:10 | voltagex | iRiver W10 |
| 03:13:18 | daurnimator | software, business tactics, lies etc is crap |
| 03:13:26 | voltagex | 8gb flash, SD slot, MP4 playback, wifi |
| 03:13:32 | Bawitdaba | JdGordon just not near the magnet |
| 03:13:40 | webguest33 | heres a few of them that I have handy: |
| 03:13:41 | webguest33 | http://www.duke.edu/~mgg6/rmaa/ |
| 03:13:42 | Bawitdaba | depends on the size of ur speakers |
| 03:13:56 | voltagex | Bawitdaba: and also how loud they are |
| 03:14:10 | Bawitdaba | oh |
| 03:14:12 | Bawitdaba | RMAA |
| 03:14:15 | Bawitdaba | right i knew that |
| 03:14:50 | JdGordon | hopefully the cov er will shield it abit :p... my desk isnt big enough for 2 speaker and a safe distancee from the disk |
| 03:14:53 | voltagex | oh! RMAA not RMA lol |
| 03:15:06 | Bawitdaba | haha |
| 03:15:45 | Soap | JdGordon: many computer and "bookshelf" speakers are already decently sheilded, and I've never lost a HD next to my speakers, and they are pretty close. |
| 03:16:33 | JdGordon | these are cheap pioneer spekers with plastic shells.. I doubt they are shielded :p |
| 03:16:36 | Soap | If they don't gauss (is that the right word?) your CRT monitor I wouldn't worry, and even if they do, as long as you don't rub them back and forth over your HD I bet you are safe. |
| 03:16:47 | JdGordon | ok |
| 03:17:13 | Soap | The Slashdot consensus (for whatever _that_ is worth) is you can't harm a HD with magnets unless you really try. |
| 03:17:51 | voltagex | Soap: I've been told that by friends too |
| 03:18:04 | voltagex | just don't put your disks in an MRI machine |
| 03:18:07 | JdGordon | awesome :D I just turned my lava lamp on fir the first time in ages.. and after about 5 min the blob inside exploded... looked soo cool |
| 03:18:16 | webguest33 | don't put anything metal near an MRI machine |
| 03:18:32 | webguest33 | they'll get really angry if you do, takes forever to fish a chair out of a 4T magnet |
| 03:18:43 | andrewg867 | ahahaha |
| 03:18:47 | JdGordon | or a bullet, if youve seen the house md episode |
| 03:18:57 | Soap | you know, I was always told that too, but they used a MRI to check my wife's neck after she had spinal fusion and three plates bolted in. |
| 03:18:58 | toffe82_ | :) |
| 03:19:14 | * | billytwowilly had an MRI once |
| 03:19:26 | JdGordon | Soap: surgical plates and stuff isnt magnetic |
| 03:19:39 | JdGordon | or not supposed to be |
| 03:19:41 | billytwowilly | must be made of nickel. |
| 03:19:42 | voltagex | maybe it's time to turn my speakers down once the windows start shaking |
| 03:20:02 | Soap | voltagex: that's just your house's way of telling you to open the windows and share. |
| 03:20:18 | voltagex | Soap: the church next to me may not like Drum & Bass |
| 03:20:36 | webguest33 | also, very small plats will enclose a small part of the b field inside the magnet |
| 03:20:38 | billytwowilly | you live next toa church? That must suck. |
| 03:20:40 | Soap | Is it Sunday there? |
| 03:20:44 | voltagex | yes |
| 03:20:50 | webguest33 | since the flux is small, the heating is small and its reasonably safe |
| 03:20:58 | webguest33 | though you never know |
| 03:21:05 | Soap | Oh, well then give them their day. |
| 03:21:10 | webguest33 | i have a friend who does MRI design work and he can never go near the magnets |
| 03:21:16 | webguest33 | due to metal plates in his back |
| 03:21:18 | voltagex | doesn't suck too bad, the minister isn't evangelical - understands that we're athiests |
| 03:21:37 | billytwowilly | nice. If only more churches were like that. |
| 03:22:17 | voltagex | billytwowilly: the Buddhists I've met seem to be the same |
| 03:23:10 | * | voltagex wants an iRiver W10. That would be one hell of a rockbox target |
| 03:23:27 | voltagex | actually, you could probably run full blown Linux on the thing |
| 03:23:35 | toffe82_ | fyi, if you are looking for a good amplifier, cheap for your player, check this one, 30$, 8hours on batteries and really really good sound : http://www.tnt-audio.com/ampli/t-amp_e.html |
| 03:23:57 | voltagex | fugly but cool http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/15/the-iriver-w10-eh/ |
| 03:24:01 | billytwowilly | that's good. We have some bad religious people up here. They don't like it when I tell them I think teaching kids religion is child abuse;) |
| 03:24:02 | webguest33 | in arm, what does MOVS do? |
| 03:24:15 | voltagex | billytwowilly: USA? |
| 03:24:21 | billytwowilly | Alberta, Canada |
| 03:24:48 | billytwowilly | The only red state in Canada;) |
| 03:25:21 | voltagex | billytwowilly: we have state elections here soon... voting for the first time. |
| 03:25:35 | billytwowilly | That's good. Vote Libertarian. |
| 03:25:54 | voltagex | err, labor and liberal are reversed here I think |
| 03:26:11 | billytwowilly | libertarian. Oh, are you in Britain? |
| 03:26:24 | billytwowilly | australia.. interesting. |
| 03:26:28 | voltagex | Liberal are currently in power in federal parliament. They're the ones who won't pull us out of Iraq, who don't fund schools properly |
| 03:26:40 | voltagex | although, school funding is technically a state thing |
| 03:26:50 | voltagex | and the state government is Labor |
| 03:26:50 | Soap | #rockbox-community is really the channel for Off-Topic |
| 03:26:55 | voltagex | oh |
| 03:26:56 | voltagex | sorry |
| 03:27:05 | voltagex | billytwowilly: see you there? |
| 03:27:13 | billytwowilly | It would be pretty silly to pull out of Iraq now.... Dumb to go in in the first place though;) K, moving to community;) |
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| 03:34:33 | webguest33 | soap: have you been doing loaded RMAA tests? |
| 03:35:40 | Soap | webguest33: until my sound card crapped out. |
| 03:35:53 | Soap | Trying to make the perfect EQ to cancel out the ipod |
| 03:35:57 | Soap | 's 16 ohm issue. |
| 03:37:05 | webguest33 | do you have any test results you could share? |
| 03:37:14 | webguest33 | i'm thinking of putting together a page of loaded results |
| 03:37:17 | webguest33 | since no one ever tests thos |
| 03:37:18 | webguest33 | e |
| 03:37:41 | Soap | give me a few days and I can give you some, I haven't saved any, still searching. |
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| 03:38:38 | Bawitdaba | anyone have info about the 80gb ipod and rockbox, i know currently it isnt supported but from reading the wiki it sounds like it will be soon? |
| 03:38:41 | webguest33 | oksure |
| 03:38:55 | webguest33 | right now I've just got a few ipod ones, and the h100s |
| 03:41:42 | Nico_P | I'm looking for volunteers to try my WPS code |
| 03:42:16 | Nico_P | I can provide builds |
| 03:42:51 | Juice- | if you made it for the sansa it would try it ;) |
| 03:42:54 | Juice- | i* |
| 03:43:21 | Nico_P | Juice-: fine. do you have tracks that trigger boosting ? |
| 03:43:42 | Juice- | what kind of boosting? oO |
| 03:44:09 | Nico_P | CPU boosting. it's displayed in the audio thread debug screen |
| 03:44:31 | Nico_P | or just tell me if you have tracks that skip |
| 03:44:43 | webguest33 | i think pretty much anything but flac will boost on the sansa |
| 03:45:04 | Nico_P | ah, cool |
| 03:45:08 | Juice- | i do have tracks that skip yes |
| 03:45:20 | Nico_P | Juice-: fine. i'd like to know if they skip less |
| 03:45:34 | Nico_P | or more, but hopefully it won't be the case |
| 03:45:40 | Juice- | okay |
| 03:45:50 | Nico_P | it's not an R model ? |
| 03:46:04 | Juice- | nope |
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| 03:46:12 | Nico_P | ok, I'm building |
| 03:46:17 | Juice- | allright |
| 03:46:36 | Juice- | what did you change? |
| 03:46:37 | webguest77 | Did we figure out why the website went down? |
| 03:46:45 | Soap | see topic |
| 03:46:55 | Juice- | webguest77: the server has been upgraded. |
| 03:46:58 | Nico_P | Juice-: basically, I rewrote the whole WPS code |
| 03:47:14 | webguest77 | Oh I figgured that the upgrade was over |
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| 03:47:25 | webguest77 | thx for the info |
| 03:47:29 | Juice- | Nico_P: Really. cool :) |
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| 03:47:41 | webguest33 | Nico_P: is that on filespray? |
| 03:47:44 | Nico_P | Juice-: you shouldn't see any visual differences (if so, please mention them), but hopefully you'll have better performance |
| 03:47:48 | Nico_P | webguest33: no |
| 03:48:18 | Nico_P | webguest33: actually there is an entry with a wps tokenizer, but i last posted there ages ago |
| 03:48:20 | Soap | did you do a wiki page on that Nico_P? I'd really like to learn more about the how, why, and what - but don't expect you to rehash it for (what would probably be) the 100th time. |
| 03:49:19 | Nico_P | Juice-: http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/rockbox.zip |
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| 03:50:05 | webguest32 | How do i get the id tags to show for my files? |
| 03:50:12 | Juice- | Nico_P: ok a min, i will load it onto my sansa |
| 03:50:14 | Nico_P | Soap: there's this wiki page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WPSTokenbasedHandling, but it's not the same thing |
| 03:50:27 | webguest32 | ???? |
| 03:50:41 | Nico_P | Soap: some time ago, i posted some code on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4826 |
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| 03:50:58 | Nico_P | which explains the concept a bit better IIRC |
| 03:52:10 | webguest32 | Anyone? |
| 03:52:20 | Juice- | Nico_P: extracting the files you compiled overwriting the old ones will do fine right? |
| 03:52:28 | Nico_P | Juice-: yes |
| 03:52:39 | Nico_P | webguest32: you should be a bit more specific |
| 03:53:05 | webguest32 | The fonts are not alligned? Does this make sense? |
| 03:53:22 | webguest32 | Everything is overlapping everything |
| 03:54:13 | Juice- | Nico_P: i can tell you, its not working to play mp3s at all with your build :S |
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| 03:54:38 | Nico_P | Juice-: do you get an error message ? |
| 03:55:40 | Juice- | first error i get when booting up rockbox after the logo is "playlist control file is invalid" - and when i try to play a mp3 file it freezes. tried three different ones now |
| 03:55:49 | Nico_P | :s |
| 03:56:05 | Juice- | I have to force shutdown by holding the power button for 10+ seconds |
| 03:56:06 | Nico_P | Juice-: maybe try another WPS... which one are you using ? |
| 03:56:15 | Juice- | im using plain text |
| 03:56:20 | Juice- | let me try with another |
| 03:57:16 | Juice- | crap, rockboxed is all black on my screen, cant switch to any others.. gotta reset my cfg file |
| 03:57:57 | Nico_P | Juice-: i'll try plain text in my sim |
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| 04:02:03 | Nico_P | Juice-: plain text crashes my sim, so with another WPS you should be ok |
| 04:02:09 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 04:02:12 | Nico_P | i'll look at what causes the bug |
| 04:02:21 | Juice- | ok |
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| 04:03:10 | Nico_P | Juice-: have you tried another ? |
| 04:03:12 | Juice- | stupid refreshdatase :/ on the original sansa firmware. it takes about a minute to refresh at bootup |
| 04:03:17 | Juice- | im waiting |
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| 04:03:35 | Nate_Benton | Hi guys |
| 04:03:36 | Nico_P | ok |
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| 04:04:01 | Nate_Benton | I just had a couple quick questions about rockbox, before I decide to stick it on my 5 G iPod video. |
| 04:04:02 | Nico_P | hmm "stack smashing detected"... never seen that before |
| 04:05:12 | Nate_Benton | First of all, will I have to wipe my iPod completely before installing Rockbox? Second, will my MP4 movie files I have for my iPod work with Rockbox with some sort of a driver? |
| 04:05:21 | Juice- | with another wps i get data abort at 00040FB8 |
| 04:06:07 | Nate_Benton | I really would like to experiment with Rockbox, but those are my only concerns. |
| 04:06:47 | Nico_P | Juice-: maybe try with the default... if that one doesn't work I don't know what to say |
| 04:06:56 | Soap | First = no. |
| 04:07:01 | Soap | Second - no |
| 04:07:18 | Nico_P | I haven't done much testing on custom WPSs yet |
| 04:07:21 | Soap | Second part the second = you can dual boot to Apple Firmware so you can view said movies. |
| 04:07:40 | Nate_Benton | I see, Thank you. Alright, then back to my first question then. |
| 04:08:20 | Juice- | Nico_P: finally, now its playing. but the wps doesnt work with any wps now. its all text without graphics |
| 04:08:42 | Nate_Benton | I'm going to assume from what I've read, that Rockbox won't be ready to play my songs I already have on there, correct? I'll have to put them on again? The songs I synced with iTunes will not appear with Rockbox, because of database incompatibility? |
| 04:09:06 | Nico_P | Juice-: what do you mean ? no pictures are displayed ? |
| 04:09:22 | Juice- | Nico_P: correct, no pictures in wps at all |
| 04:09:46 | Nico_P | Juice-: which WPS is that ? |
| 04:09:50 | Soap | nope, Nate_Benton, read the rockbox manual section on "Database". While Rockbox can not use the apple database, the songs are there, and if they were properly tagged _before_ they were added via iTunes, they are still tagged and Rockbox can build its own database of the songs. |
| 04:10:19 | Nate_Benton | That's great =) |
| 04:10:34 | Juice- | Nico_P: and it seem to hang in the menus too, after a second or two its "releases" the scrolling and the scroll does all the scrolling in a millisecond that it was about to do before it "freeze" |
| 04:10:56 | Soap | There is some lack-of-understanding regarding how songs you tag in iTunes _after_ they are added to an iPod get the metadata stored, if the metadata is only in the iPod database, or if iTunes rewrites the tags. |
| 04:11:21 | Juice- | Nico_P: like there is a thread that is paused and resumed |
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| 04:12:12 | Juice- | Nico_P: random stuff, no suddenly rockbox_default is working |
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| 04:13:46 | Juice- | Nico_P: If i scroll up and down fast in the menus, it will create skips on the current playing mp3... dont know if this could be the same for latest build too |
| 04:13:50 | Nico_P | Juice-: could you try the default theme with a track that skips and tell me if you think it skips more or less than before ? |
| 04:15:51 | Juice- | Nico_P: Hmm.. i'll see if i could find a skipping track, i think i had one earlier with the latest build |
| 04:16:37 | Juice- | Nico_P: Any music file skips if i play jewels at the same time, if that is for any help? |
| 04:17:05 | Nico_P | Juice-: that's probably normal |
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| 04:17:18 | Juice- | Nico_P: yup.. |
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| 04:25:45 | dan333 | and I looked on the wiki and it said for automadic install rucould anyone help me with the cross compiler thing for cygwin |
| 04:26:29 | dan333 | could someone help me with the cross compiler thing for cygwin |
| 04:26:46 | Nico_P | Juice-: in plain text the RTC tag at the end is causinf the crash somhow |
| 04:27:02 | Nico_P | hmm i'm so tired i can't type |
| 04:29:01 | Juice- | Nico_P: ok - hehe. im too tired myself, i should have been at sleep many hours ago. let me check it up more tomorrow, i cant really remember the track that skipped the most right now. perhaps my brain will pop it up after a refreshing dreamstate in mind :P |
| 04:29:36 | Nico_P | Juice-: ok, anyway thanks for testing. you made me find a big bug :) |
| 04:29:59 | dan333 | what's the most stable player running rockbox |
| 04:30:00 | Juice- | Nico_P: hey , no problem. I can test stuff later on awelll, if needed |
| 04:30:11 | Juice- | aswell* |
| 04:30:22 | Nico_P | cool |
| 04:30:59 | webguest33 | dan333: probably the archos players (though they support only a few formats) or the iRiver H100/H300 |
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| 04:31:52 | dan333 | what player could I find in the shops still because haven't the iriver's being discontinued |
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| 04:38:46 | Soap | iAudio X5 or M5 |
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| 04:43:01 | Aikon_ | Aikon |
| 04:46:39 | andrewg867 | my guess is that the servers are still down |
| 04:46:58 | andrewg867 | either that or my DNS is broken again |
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| 04:47:10 | scorche | the site is up |
| 04:47:16 | andrewg867 | yeah, it works now |
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| 04:47:27 | andrewg867 | stupid aliant and their crappy DNS servers |
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| 04:56:15 | dan333 | hey I just installed cygwin do I need to follow the cross compiler gide at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 04:57:08 | dan333 | because I get errors when I select normal build |
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| 05:05:15 | webguest33 | dan333: you need to setup the build environment. that page is one way of doing it |
| 05:05:39 | webguest33 | when I setup cygwin a year ago, i followed that proceedure |
| 05:06:18 | dan333 | would you be able to give me some help because I am finding the instructions to be very complicated |
| 05:06:54 | webguest33 | what do you need help with |
| 05:08:01 | dan333 | well I have got cygwin installed but when I type N for normal build I get an error and I don't know what to do |
| 05:08:15 | webguest33 | have you setup the build tools yet? |
| 05:08:26 | webguest33 | you won't be able to build without them |
| 05:09:08 | dan333 | all I have done is follow the instructions on the screen shots page to setup cygwin |
| 05:09:23 | webguest33 | what page are you refering to? |
| 05:09:26 | dan333 | and that was about running setup.exe |
| 05:10:00 | dan333 | hang on I will just get the url |
| 05:11:27 | dan333 | i am talking about the http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinInstallWithScreenShots |
| 05:11:35 | dan333 | web page |
| 05:12:28 | webguest33 | i don't know what that installs |
| 05:12:38 | webguest33 | try typing which arm-elf-gcc into cygwin and see what it says |
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| 05:13:50 | dan333 | first it says about selecting one of the websites from that list then what packages to install and about tdding the rockbox site and what packages you need to install from that so do u know what I should do |
| 05:14:15 | webguest33 | what did you do? |
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| 05:15:22 | dan333 | an setup.exe twice like it said to and installed all the packages that are listed on that page except for the manual stuff |
| 05:15:52 | webguest33 | ok |
| 05:16:04 | webguest33 | but it seems like your issue now is in figuring out what the cygwin installer does |
| 05:16:18 | webguest33 | what happened when you typed which arm-elf-gcc |
| 05:17:05 | dan333 | well I can do everything up to selecting normal build once i select normal build i get an error do u want me to send the error i get |
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| 05:18:45 | webguest33 | dan333: for the third time, what happened when you ran that command? |
| 05:19:08 | dan333 | is the command arm-elf-gcc |
| 05:19:13 | andrewg867 | yeah just that |
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| 05:19:38 | webguest33 | <webguest33> what happened when you typed which arm-elf-gcc |
| 05:20:00 | andrewg867 | oh |
| 05:20:04 | andrewg867 | my bad |
| 05:20:08 | slikerz | guys... im new here.. just wanna ask if rockbox functioning on 5.5g 80 gb |
| 05:20:08 | dan333 | do i type it as soon as I start cygwin |
| 05:20:15 | webguest33 | slikerz: no |
| 05:20:22 | andrewg867 | just type 'which arm-elf-gcc' without the quotes |
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| 05:20:31 | webguest33 | dan333: type it in to the cygwin command line at any point |
| 05:20:37 | slikerz | tnx |
| 05:20:49 | webguest33 | its just a normal unix command that will tell you if you've setup the build environment |
| 05:21:31 | dan333 | I typed which arm-elf-gcc is that right it said command not found |
| 05:22:00 | webguest33 | thats odd |
| 05:22:04 | webguest33 | what happens if you just type which |
| 05:22:24 | dan333 | so the command is "which arm-elf-gcc" with out the quotes |
| 05:22:34 | webguest33 | yes |
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| 05:22:58 | dan333 | what directory should I be in |
| 05:23:03 | andrewg867 | doesnt matter |
| 05:23:04 | webguest33 | it doesn't matter |
| 05:23:14 | webguest33 | you aren't interacting with the file system |
| 05:25:08 | dan333 | if i just type which i get this message usage: which [-a] command... |
| 05:26:22 | dan333 | what was the command that you told me to type first |
| 05:26:50 | webguest33 | good so at least you have which |
| 05:27:12 | dan333 | ok so what should I do now |
| 05:27:19 | webguest33 | i don't understand why you got a command not found though |
| 05:27:42 | webguest33 | it should say something like "arm-elf-gcc not found in ..." |
| 05:27:53 | webguest33 | then a list of places it looked |
| 05:27:59 | scorche | it likely is not in his path... |
| 05:28:07 | webguest33 | or not installed |
| 05:28:22 | scorche | either works |
| 05:28:33 | webguest33 | yeah, i wish i could remember how the cygwin installer works |
| 05:28:34 | dan333 | t says something about a compiler not in my path so how can I fix that |
| 05:28:48 | scorche | add it to your path |
| 05:28:50 | dan333 | when I try normal build |
| 05:29:01 | dan333 | how do I add it to my path |
| 05:29:31 | webguest33 | seems odd to me that cygwin would install it but not put it in your path |
| 05:29:35 | webguest33 | my guess is its not installed |
| 05:29:48 | Soap | rockboxdev.sh doesn't add to your path. |
| 05:29:51 | dan333 | what path should it be in |
| 05:29:58 | webguest33 | regardless, following the instructions you posted above for building the tools will get it work |
| 05:30:11 | Soap | your path is like your privates, a "special place" only you should touch. |
| 05:30:11 | webguest33 | ideally you should use the first method on that page (rockboxdev.sh) |
| 05:30:19 | webguest33 | lol |
| 05:30:43 | dan333 | is that the path cygwin is in every time u start it |
| 05:31:27 | webguest33 | cygwin probably starts in your home directory |
| 05:31:47 | webguest33 | the path is just the list of places cygwin/windows/unix/whatever looks when youtype a command |
| 05:31:51 | dan333 | ok so where would the compiler be now |
| 05:31:54 | scorche | that is not the path.. |
| 05:32:05 | webguest33 | $PATH |
| 05:32:27 | scorche | webguest33: aye...i was talking to him |
| 05:32:33 | webguest33 | oh |
| 05:33:08 | dan333 | can I just copy the compiler from where ever it is and paste it |
| 05:33:22 | webguest33 | yes, just make sure you get all of it |
| 05:33:29 | webguest33 | usuallypeople change the path though |
| 05:33:58 | dan333 | so if my home was called dan333 under home would i just put it in there |
| 05:34:15 | webguest33 | no |
| 05:34:21 | webguest33 | your home is not on the path |
| 05:34:28 | webguest33 | generally folders like /bin are |
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| 05:36:11 | dan333 | so do i just extract binuitils and gcc to the bin folder |
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| 05:38:36 | webguest33 | you mean arm-elf-gcc (assuming ipod)? |
| 05:38:46 | webguest33 | regular gcc should already be there |
| 05:38:56 | dan333 | i am wanting to compile for the h300 |
| 05:39:01 | webguest33 | oh |
| 05:39:24 | webguest33 | then its probably m68k-elf-gcc |
| 05:39:42 | dan333 | ok should they be in there own folder or just all the files just in the bin folder |
| 05:40:41 | webguest33 | they have to be in a folder thats on the path |
| 05:40:45 | webguest33 | such as bin |
| 05:40:56 | webguest33 | have you read the install instructions? |
| 05:41:00 | dan333 | and what one do i need for the h300 |
| 05:41:01 | webguest33 | all of this should be explained in there |
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| 05:42:10 | dan333 | hat compiler is for the h300 i think u said before |
| 05:42:49 | Soap | m68k = H300 also |
| 05:43:51 | dan333 | were do I get the m68k thing from |
| 05:44:16 | Soap | arm-elf = ipod, sansa, H10, Toshiba. m68k = H100, H300, iAudio. |
| 05:45:13 | Soap | there is a guide in the wiki for cgywin, both the VMware and coLinux images have the current version already, and you download the source code and run rockboxdev.sh if you want to create a build enviroment on your existing *nix box. |
| 05:45:49 | dan333 | i am using windows so what files am i meant to have in the bin folder |
| 05:46:35 | JdGordon | what a boring race :p |
| 05:46:40 | JdGordon | only 1 crash :'( |
| 05:47:06 | webguest33 | anyone know if there is actual documentatin for the WMA format? |
| 05:47:14 | webguest33 | beyond what is in the ffmpeg code? |
| 05:47:47 | Soap | /nick SaratogaWantsToGoIncognito |
| 05:48:00 | webguest33 | how do i change nicks anyway? |
| 05:48:10 | Soap | remove the space from the above line |
| 05:48:15 | Soap | (the leading space) |
| 05:48:28 | | Nick webguest33 is now known as saratoga (i=9803c398@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-6acc9f2bb0a87873) |
| 05:48:31 | saratoga | test |
| 05:48:32 | | Nick dan333 is now known as daniel12 (n=daniel_r@138.126-67-202.dart.iprimus.net.au) |
| 05:48:35 | saratoga | yes |
| 05:48:52 | saratoga | i do not understand irc |
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| 05:49:40 | * | Soap points |
| 05:49:47 | * | Soap laughs |
| 05:50:31 | | Nick daniel12 is now known as daniel1234 (n=daniel_r@138.126-67-202.dart.iprimus.net.au) |
| 05:51:27 | scorche | saratoga: you can change your name before you even log in with the webclient =/ |
| 05:51:44 | saratoga | yeah i know, but i forgot to, and then I didn't want to log out since then i'd lose the history |
| 05:52:02 | JdGordon | scorche: time to change the topic? |
| 05:52:04 | JdGordon | www is back |
| 05:52:14 | scorche | JdGordon: i guess |
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| 05:53:23 | Mode | "#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 05:54:03 | Soap | mention how RB got SoC and you didn't. nah nah nah |
| 05:54:11 | scorche | meh |
| 05:54:21 | Soap | taunt the competition. |
| 05:55:05 | scorche | i am still deciding if i want to become a mentor or not |
| 05:55:30 | JdGordon | you gte a tshirt! |
| 05:55:36 | JdGordon | how could you not want tat???!! |
| 05:56:50 | scorche | do you really? |
| 05:56:55 | Soap | Ll should mentor. He could train Damian. |
| 05:57:26 | scorche | he is mentoring |
| 05:57:31 | scorche | even aliask is |
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| 06:06:14 | daniel1234 | s the vmware image hard to install and get to work |
| 06:06:25 | Soap | no |
| 06:06:55 | daniel1234 | will it work with a screen reader |
| 06:07:40 | Soap | That question was asked the other night, and I don't think an answer was known. Someone sighted offered to test, I haven't read all of today's logs yet - I don't know how that test went. |
| 06:08:02 | scorche | i think it was aksed by him... |
| 06:08:33 | Soap | see how stupid I can be? |
| 06:08:44 | daniel1234 | if i could find a screen reader for linux would that mean that it would work |
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| 06:09:17 | scorche | daniel1234: afaik, it should |
| 06:09:29 | scorche | if you find me one, i can test |
| 06:09:41 | daniel1234 | and how would i need to install it |
| 06:09:43 | Soap | does the VMware image have working sound through windows? |
| 06:10:02 | scorche | Soap: aye...simulator uses it, remember? |
| 06:10:23 | Soap | Didn't know if it was a fully-operational battle-station or not. |
| 06:10:38 | saratoga | google suggests that you can install a screen reader inside the VM |
| 06:10:45 | saratoga | however, i don't know how youd do that |
| 06:11:00 | saratoga | since it sounds like the reader on the host machine might have trouble with the VM |
| 06:11:03 | scorche | apt-get probably...or one could build from source |
| 06:11:16 | scorche | turn off the host reader temp? |
| 06:11:16 | saratoga | without being able to see the screen though? |
| 06:11:35 | scorche | well, as we said earlier, sighted help may be necessary |
| 06:11:40 | saratoga | oh ok |
| 06:12:09 | scorche | daniel1234: is there a key combination, or something that can toggle the reader you use on windows? |
| 06:12:32 | saratoga | how do screen readers work? |
| 06:12:43 | saratoga | are they just screen scraping whatevers in the active window? |
| 06:12:55 | scorche | one would assume... |
| 06:13:20 | scorche | route the speach to /dev/sound or whatever on windows ;) |
| 06:13:25 | scorche | speech even |
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| 06:17:03 | BigMac | Hey guys, on the vmware image I keep getting the error "You don't appear to have a valid CD-Rom device. If this is a CD-ROM devise, try enabling legacy emulaiton mode" |
| 06:17:11 | BigMac | what should I be doing? |
| 06:18:18 | BigMac | I just unclicked the cdrom button and it seems to work |
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| 06:21:36 | BigMac | and it seems to have frozen Now after Journalled Block Device driver loaded |
| 06:26:31 | daniel1234 | do u have to install all the packages like cygwin for the vmware image |
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| 06:27:00 | scorche | no...you just install vmware, then open the image |
| 06:30:15 | scorche | sorry, do my ellipses wreak havok on your screen reader? |
| 06:31:57 | daniel1234 | so can u install linux software to use with the vmware image |
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| 06:32:26 | scorche | for all practical purposes, the vmware image *is* linux |
| 06:32:34 | scorche | so, generally, yes |
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| 06:33:07 | daniel1234 | so for example if I found a linux text editer I could install that |
| 06:33:32 | scorche | yes |
| 06:33:51 | daniel1234 | how do you go about installing stuff on linux |
| 06:34:46 | scorche | well, that is a bit outside the scope of this channel, but on debian distrobutions, you typically apt-get or build from source |
| 06:35:43 | scorche | s/distrobutions/distributions |
| 06:40:39 | cynicalliberal | don't most linux distros come with a text editor? |
| 06:41:11 | daniel1234 | i don't know i was just wondering how to install something but i think it does |
| 06:42:09 | cynicalliberal | I'm not sure about other debian flavors, but with ubuntu you could always use synapetic manager to get dev tools too. |
| 06:42:17 | jhulst | You can use vi, it is included in every linux distro |
| 06:42:36 | jhulst | possibly kate if the linux distro has kde on it |
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| 06:44:50 | daniel1234 | hey would someone be able to try this screenreader I have found with the vmware image |
| 06:46:08 | daniel1234 | if i send the url |
| 06:48:05 | jhulst | daniel1234: I can probably take try it, I'll at least take a look at it |
| 06:48:28 | scorche | afaiu, he was just asking as an example...the image already comes with a few editors.. |
| 06:48:42 | daniel1234 | ok here is the url for it ftp://mirror.services.wisc.edu/mirrors/linux/distributions/speakup/index.html |
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| 06:49:15 | daniel1234 | it has instructions for installing but i never installed anything on linux |
| 06:49:45 | Bawitdaba | TI sucks :( |
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| 06:56:32 | jhulst | daniel1234: That reader doesn't look like it is very well supported, I tried installing it on my machine and had some problems |
| 06:56:54 | jhulst | Is the vmware image running kde or gnome or something else? |
| 06:57:22 | scorche | it runs fluxbox |
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| 07:23:49 | amiconn | mo0ning |
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| 07:42:17 | eulB | Anyone still up? |
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| 07:43:15 | JdGordon | linuxstb: awake? |
| 07:44:45 | eulB | What time is it |
| 07:44:59 | JdGordon | 17.44 gmt+11 |
| 07:45:17 | eulB | I need help |
| 07:45:26 | eulB | im having trouble with |
| 07:45:40 | eulB | the theme(s) i want |
| 07:46:01 | eulB | The text isnt aligning properly |
| 07:46:15 | JdGordon | they probably need an unofficial version of rockbox |
| 07:46:19 | eulB | and one of the themes wont display the id3 tags |
| 07:46:22 | JdGordon | e.g senabs or julius build |
| 07:46:31 | eulB | How do i get a hold of that |
| 07:46:40 | JdGordon | forums |
| 07:46:53 | eulB | More digging i suppose |
| 07:46:59 | amiconn | JdGordon: Hmm, regarding your commit y'day - I wonder how the number of menu functions without parameters relates to the number of menu functions with parameter, and what's the absolute number of menu functions without parameter |
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| 07:47:26 | amiconn | Perhaps it would be more efficient to use only one type of function, i.e. the one with parameter? |
| 07:47:33 | JdGordon | probably |
| 07:47:37 | JdGordon | I was thinking about it today |
| 07:47:51 | eulB | WPJ file is called PJ green |
| 07:48:22 | JdGordon | no, sorry... I was thinking of removing the exit_if variable, which isnt really needed as much as I thought it would be |
| 07:48:46 | JdGordon | because its fine to say that if the return value is being checked then only a give set of values is legal for return |
| 07:48:55 | JdGordon | 2 funcion types is ok imo |
| 07:49:15 | eulB | JdGordon what topic in the formus should i look in? Can you please point me in the right direction? |
| 07:49:36 | JdGordon | custom builds |
| 07:49:43 | eulB | thank you |
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| 07:52:54 | amiconn | JdGordon: I am suggesting this because I wonder why this unification increased the binary size. Afaics struct menu_item_ex became one element shorter... |
| 07:53:00 | olegfink | hi folks |
| 07:53:30 | JdGordon | the exit_value int in the stuct function I think did it |
| 07:54:08 | JdGordon | Im going to remove that, then commit and see what the size diff is.. if its still way too high we can make it one type, but im hoping that isnt nescaccwery |
| 07:55:28 | JdGordon | struct menu_item_ex is all mostly enums anyway... so there shouldnt have abeen a decrease there |
| 07:55:34 | JdGordon | union i mean |
| 07:55:52 | amiconn | What does that do, btw? Is it a preparation for using the new system for the context menus? |
| 07:56:19 | olegfink | The rumor has it that you support a sort of cowon with tcc767 chip? |
| 07:56:45 | JdGordon | what does which do? |
| 07:57:52 | amiconn | exit_value |
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| 07:58:09 | Bawitdaba | anyone know how to get winamp/wmp11 to download coverart for all my mp3cds? |
| 07:58:18 | Bawitdaba | guess thats offtopic of rockbox lol |
| 07:58:20 | JdGordon | if one of the flas was set, you could return that value so do_menu() would quit |
| 07:58:53 | JdGordon | but seen as 99% of functions didnt set the flag that variable is a waste |
| 07:59:09 | amiconn | Hmm, I just found a bug in the settings system |
| 07:59:21 | JdGordon | oh? |
| 07:59:36 | amiconn | 'remove background' doesn't persist. After a reboot the background bmp is back |
| 07:59:53 | amiconn | (on X5) |
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| 08:00:25 | JdGordon | ok, that needs a settings_save then |
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| 08:01:14 | JdGordon | which menu is that setting in? |
| 08:01:39 | JdGordon | dw, found it |
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| 08:04:37 | JdGordon | anyone know how to install a custom bootloader with sansatool? |
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| 08:13:19 | eulB | JdGordon: Im going to reinstall rockbox where can i get the boot loader? |
| 08:13:40 | JdGordon | the wiki? |
| 08:13:52 | JdGordon | seen as you never said which target you had thats the best answer i can give |
| 08:14:26 | eulB | ipod video? |
| 08:15:40 | eulB | Define "target" |
| 08:23:06 | amiconn | JdGordon: RED |
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| 08:23:35 | JdGordon | reclaimed most of the delta tho, so thats good :) |
| 08:23:54 | JdGordon | ... or half |
| 08:24:32 | amiconn | More like 40%, but still good |
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| 08:31:47 | aliask | "Your membership in the mailing list rockbox-dev has been disabled due to excessive bounces" <−− anyone know what that's about? |
| 08:33:01 | JdGordon | you left your computer on the trampooline again? |
| 08:33:48 | aliask | Could be. Actually - I recently started hanging my computer from springs, could that be it? |
| 08:33:58 | JdGordon | must be |
| 08:34:11 | hcs | underdamped, sorry |
| 08:34:15 | JdGordon | or... might be to do with the mail server being upgraded? |
| 08:34:28 | aliask | Did anyone else get one? |
| 08:34:43 | JdGordon | not i |
| 08:35:15 | amiconn | JdGordon: What's the difference (regarding the required code) between a fixed default value and one which requires a function call? |
| 08:35:42 | amiconn | And is there any other function-dependent default value othe rthan the archos recorder default contrast? |
| 08:36:18 | amiconn | I am asking because I had an idea how to get rid of the hw-dependent default contrast at the UI level |
| 08:36:39 | JdGordon | umm... not really sure what you mean by the first bit, but the code is usefull anyway, but yeah, I tihnk thats the only setting needing it |
| 08:36:43 | amiconn | Instead, lcd_set_contrast() could handle the offset, just limiting the range a bit |
| 08:37:37 | JdGordon | brb |
| 08:41:46 | JdGordon | amiconn: hmm.. i dont tihnk any code is actually there for the function dependant values |
| 08:42:47 | JdGordon | ah no, it is |
| 08:44:07 | Bawitdaba | anyone know of a good coverart downloader for mp3cds |
| 08:45:35 | JdGordon | holy cow the yellow in rockboxed on the e200 is horrible :D |
| 08:45:42 | amiconn | JdGordon: Even when this code is available, I think it would be better to handle the contrast offset in the driver (why did nobody have this idea before??) |
| 08:46:09 | amiconn | It would hide the hardware difference (which isn't really relevant to the user) from the ui |
| 08:46:25 | JdGordon | of course |
| 08:46:46 | amiconn | It would just limit the settable contrast range a bit |
| 08:47:08 | amiconn | ...but that's not problematic, since the range of actually *usable* values is much smaller anyway |
| 08:47:19 | JdGordon | cant remember who.. but there was talk about redoing the whole backlight timeout system to just use a seconds value instead of stupid indexes like it is now.... |
| 08:47:37 | amiconn | Yes, but that's another thing |
| 08:47:56 | JdGordon | or more specifically.. the driver would accept any value and the ui would choose which to allow the user to set |
| 08:48:01 | JdGordon | they would be independant |
| 08:48:05 | amiconn | yes |
| 08:48:56 | amiconn | Backlight didn't see much target tree work either |
| 08:49:13 | amiconn | There's a lot left to do. Powermgmt is even worse |
| 08:49:37 | amiconn | But I really want to do some lcd work first |
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| 08:50:15 | JdGordon | do you have enough idea how viewports should work that you could wiki it so someone could code it? |
| 08:50:37 | * | JdGordon had some fun ideas overnight about what can be done with them |
| 08:50:54 | amiconn | I still think that actually coding it will be easier than describing my ideas |
| 08:51:04 | amiconn | Of course I should, and will, document the api |
| 08:51:24 | JdGordon | ok, so we'll just wait then :p |
| 08:57:50 | EnR_N | anyone here use the Itunes DB to Tagcache converter? |
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| 08:58:21 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: hey, you around?? |
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| 09:03:24 | amiconn | JdGordon: Do the menu return values have fixed meanings? If so, they should use a #define (or even an enum) instead of just literals |
| 09:03:53 | JdGordon | you mean from functions? |
| 09:03:54 | amiconn | return 1; is a lot less descriptive than e.g. return MENU_EXIT; |
| 09:03:56 | amiconn | yes |
| 09:04:08 | JdGordon | 1 is the only value that means anything atm.. |
| 09:04:20 | JdGordon | there are 4 defines at the end of menu.h which might get used |
| 09:07:50 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: Here and there |
| 09:08:07 | JdGordon | dw, replied in the thread |
| 09:10:01 | jhMikeS | in light of that, I think it's safe to commit the swap changes. I've been beating the heck out of it for awhile and it's all working nicely. fixes some obscure bugs too. |
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| 09:14:49 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Hmm, there is a question that bugs me regarding the eventual switch to speex for voice: Does speex use malloc? And if so, how could that be handled? |
| 09:16:08 | jhMikeS | I don't know if it does, but I thought a header extension for voiceable codecs could tell it how much space is needed and we just allocate that amount. Actually putting on other codecs should be little problem. |
| 09:17:01 | jhMikeS | Or maybe just have it call back with config data when loaded like the encoder do :\ |
| 09:17:32 | amiconn | I don't know whether that helps |
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| 09:17:59 | amiconn | I'm not talking about malloc'ing on startup, that kind should be easily replaceable by static buffer |
| 09:18:30 | jhMikeS | no, malloc_buf is setup in when initializing |
| 09:18:35 | amiconn | But afaik there are some codecs (e.g. tremor) which malloc as they go |
| 09:18:37 | jhMikeS | the audio buffer |
| 09:18:53 | amiconn | I mean codec startup |
| 09:19:20 | amiconn | Iirc there was a problem with tremor and long tracks, that the malloc buffer became full |
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| 09:21:16 | jhMikeS | right...it's a problem that way. you'd need a swap buffer the size of the largest of the codecs needs |
| 09:23:09 | jhMikeS | ...or give up the 512K again when voice is enabled...but that will not be there with voice disabled. It's not like the situations gotten worse. |
| 09:23:28 | amiconn | Nope, that has nothing to do with memswap |
| 09:23:42 | amiconn | It rather has to do with codecs needing malloc or not |
| 09:24:05 | jhMikeS | ?? I understand quite well what it's about :) |
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| 09:24:50 | amiconn | I don't know how much each codec needs, but maybe it would be a good idea to give up the separate malloc buffer and use the rest of the codec ram for this codec's malloc? |
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| 09:25:32 | amiconn | This would automatically ensure that each codec keeps its malloc'ed buffers even with codec swapping |
| 09:25:42 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 09:26:37 | jhMikeS | Sounds like a good idea. Think we'll have to make more room for tremor in the basic buffer? |
| 09:28:01 | amiconn | I don't know, it probably depends on the malloc implementation |
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| 09:28:22 | thewho | JdGordon: ping |
| 09:28:26 | amiconn | Our simple malloc has no free(), but iirc tremor got a somewhat more sophisticated solution recently |
| 09:28:50 | amiconn | ...by tomal, because the iFP doesn't have much ram to waste |
| 09:28:54 | jhMikeS | I didn't see it the codec lib so must be buried inside it somewhere |
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| 09:29:45 | jhMikeS | and it works there? |
| 09:31:25 | amiconn | apps/codecs/Tremor/oggmalloc.c |
| 09:32:51 | amiconn | Still rather simple... |
| 09:35:50 | jhMikeS | looks rather like another stack |
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| 09:43:16 | jhMikeS | what about freeing the stuff that gets copied to iram at startup or was that done already? |
| 09:47:30 | Bagder | with two dual-core cpus in the new server, it should become a fine new build server... |
| 09:48:04 | Bagder | due to happens "soon" |
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| 09:49:48 | jhMikeS | builds ready in 30seconds now |
| 09:50:04 | Bagder | btw, neuros was also accepted by gsoc |
| 09:50:16 | Bagder | http://code.google.com/soc/neuros/about.html |
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| 09:54:03 | scorche | Bagder: so why do we keep the forums on a different server? |
| 09:54:18 | Bagder | because Jeff runs/admins them |
| 09:54:21 | | Part kaaloo |
| 09:54:26 | Bagder | on his request |
| 09:54:38 | Bagder | when he gave us the domain... |
| 09:54:46 | scorche | ah...alright |
| 09:55:08 | Bagder | and personally I'm fine not having to admin that |
| 09:55:34 | scorche | i just hear the loveliness of the new server and remember the slowdowns that happen to the forums |
| 09:55:54 | Bagder | well, the new server still has some pretty lousy bandwidth |
| 09:56:08 | Bagder | hopefully soon addressed too |
| 09:57:17 | Bagder | there's a planned 2 => 10mbit bump |
| 09:57:27 | scorche | in upload? |
| 09:57:33 | Bagder | both ways |
| 09:58:02 | scorche | it was previously a 2 mb symmetrical? |
| 09:58:14 | scorche | well, currently |
| 09:58:15 | Bagder | it is right now |
| 09:58:17 | Bagder | yes |
| 09:58:58 | scorche | will that affect the forums server as well? (i forget the location of that server) |
| 09:59:03 | Bagder | no |
| 09:59:08 | Bagder | the forums are located in the US |
| 09:59:19 | Bagder | faaaar from here |
| 09:59:59 | scorche | ah...alright |
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| 10:07:08 | daniel1234 | when I install the vmware image where do i extract the Rockbox VMware image |
| 10:07:13 | daniel1234 | to |
| 10:07:19 | scorche | anywhere you wish |
| 10:08:01 | daniel1234 | and where do I install the other thing for it i think it is vmware player |
| 10:08:22 | scorche | to the typical program directory...the default if you wish |
| 10:08:53 | daniel1234 | do i need to launch the vmware player thing to run it |
| 10:09:01 | daniel1234 | from a short cut |
| 10:09:15 | scorche | you dont have to from a shortcut, but that is the easiest |
| 10:09:44 | daniel1234 | ok when I open it up will it just be like linux |
| 10:09:57 | scorche | pretty much |
| 10:10:20 | daniel1234 | ok so can I install any linux software I want |
| 10:10:40 | scorche | for the most part, yes |
| 10:11:55 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: now i got playback quite stable on cop, had to fix the synchronous queues in scheduler too |
| 10:12:06 | scorche | for anyone looking for an iriver H10 20GB: http://www.woot.com/ |
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| 10:17:56 | jhMikeS | Slasheri: glad to hear it works...those worried me a bit with a COP |
| 10:19:14 | jhMikeS | what was the main issue there if everything was running on a single core? |
| 10:19:29 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: but recording still needs to be fixed.. probably i will let that for you :) |
| 10:19:53 | jhMikeS | Slasheri: you didn't just try putting pcmrec on the COP too? |
| 10:19:54 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: scheduler and adding those NOCACHE attributes |
| 10:20:04 | Slasheri | and starting pcm playback outside cop |
| 10:20:24 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: havent tried yet. i could send you a patch soon |
| 10:20:46 | jhMikeS | I can't test any cop stuff since I don't have one in any device |
| 10:20:56 | Slasheri | oh.. |
| 10:21:03 | Bagder | btw |
| 10:21:19 | Bagder | the mutex is not COP safe, according to our anonymous friend |
| 10:21:20 | jhMikeS | Unless I totally somehow missed that Gigabeat has one :P |
| 10:21:57 | Slasheri | Bagder: the locking mechanism should be cop safe (if that one instruction is not interrupted by other core) |
| 10:21:58 | jhMikeS | Bagder: issue? the mutex isn't nocache? |
| 10:22:18 | Slasheri | those cache things are already fixed in scheduler |
| 10:22:28 | Bagder | I have a rather long email on the issue I could forward you |
| 10:22:28 | Slasheri | and i have added locking to critical functions also |
| 10:22:47 | jhMikeS | but what about the mutex structure itself? shouldn't that be nocache too? |
| 10:23:13 | Slasheri | jhMikeS: yes, surely it needs to be |
| 10:23:41 | Slasheri | the current scheduler in svn is not cop safe in any way |
| 10:23:58 | jhMikeS | possible to attribute the data _type_ with it instead of every declaration? |
| 10:24:29 | Slasheri | hmm, not sure if data type is enough |
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| 10:24:45 | Slasheri | better to define it for every mutex declaration is core safety is required |
| 10:24:49 | Slasheri | *if |
| 10:24:50 | ShaunES | Why does rockbox keep crashing on my 4th gen 40gig iPod? It makes me :( |
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| 10:25:05 | ShaunES | I have to wait for it to drain the batteries, I can't do shit when it freezes. |
| 10:25:48 | ShaunES | Makes me super :( |
| 10:26:02 | Bagder | Slasheri: I sent you the mail |
| 10:26:11 | Slasheri | now playback works without problems on COP and ui is fast. But still worried about possible fs corruption and other issues |
| 10:26:15 | Slasheri | Bagder: great |
| 10:26:16 | Bagder | couldn't find jhMikeS' address right now ;-) |
| 10:26:37 | jhMikeS | heh! :P |
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| 10:28:47 | ShaunES | OK, another iPod question. Is there a way to charge it without having it boot into apple firmware? |
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| 10:30:02 | scorche | ShaunES: read the FAQ |
| 10:30:16 | Zagor | does anyone know what's up with gmail? they are bouncing everything with "user over quota". lots of rockbox list subscribers have been removed due to that. |
| 10:30:20 | ShaunES | Oh. |
| 10:30:22 | ShaunES | I SMRT. |
| 10:31:11 | JdGordon | Zagor: aliask was complainng about beign dropped before |
| 10:31:58 | Zagor | JdGordon: he's not alone. i'd say 50 or more people have been removed |
| 10:32:09 | JdGordon | :( |
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| 10:32:21 | ShaunES | What on earth... |
| 10:32:33 | JdGordon | Bagder: do you know if there is any experimenting that can be done to get the lcd working on the sansa better? |
| 10:33:12 | scorche | Zagor: i use gmail, but i havent been removed yet, afais |
| 10:35:38 | Bagder | JdGordon: as I understand it, it is due to us not knowing properly when the screen update is completed, but I'm not really the one to ask about sansa lcd driver details |
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| 10:36:26 | JdGordon | ok, ill wait for barry then I guess |
| 10:36:33 | Bagder | bbl |
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| 10:43:11 | daniel1234 | ok so how do i start the vmware image once it is inswtinstalled |
| 10:44:08 | JdGordon | hmm.... why is usb_detect() called before usb_init() in bootloader/main.c? |
| 10:44:24 | JdGordon | ... in main() |
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| 10:46:09 | JdGordon | and iriver_h300.c |
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| 10:52:19 | daniel1234 | ok so how do i start the vmware image once it is inswdo i install vmware player or the rockbox image thing to use the vmware image to compile rockbox |
| 10:53:03 | daniel1234 | do i install the vmware player first or the rockbox image thing to be able to compile rockbox with the vmware image |
| 10:53:28 | bluebrother | you install the player. Then open the image with the player |
| 10:55:46 | daniel1234 | ok thanks |
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| 11:00:56 | daniel1234 | i am installing vmware player and it says this Your machine currently has CD-ROM autorun enabled. Autorun can have unexpected |
| 11:00:57 | daniel1234 | interactions with virtual machines. |
| 11:00:57 | daniel1234 | Do you want to disable autorun now? |
| 11:01:08 | daniel1234 | what should I choose yes or no |
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| 11:04:33 | daniel1234 | what happens if I disable cd-rom auto run does anyone know |
| 11:04:59 | scorche | i would choose no, as that would change things on your host computer which could affect one that is blind |
| 11:05:07 | scorche | personally, i choose no anyway |
| 11:06:06 | daniel1234 | will anything get messed up if i choose no like booting |
| 11:06:14 | scorche | no |
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| 11:07:17 | markun | How can I see the SoC applicants? The SoC site is pretty confusing to me. |
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| 11:08:50 | johnzorn | so whats the timeframe for an ipod 80g video port? the apple firmware is atrocious... |
| 11:09:31 | markun | johnzorn: there is no timeframe |
| 11:09:32 | linuxstb__ | JdGordon: You can install a custom bootloader with "sansapatcher -a PP5022.mi4" |
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| 11:09:45 | scorche | johnzorn: we dont give out timeframes...it gets done when it gets done |
| 11:09:53 | JdGordon | thanks, figured that out a while ago by looking at the code :) |
| 11:10:11 | linuxstb__ | OK, good :) |
| 11:10:23 | linuxstb__ | Or sansapatcher −−help would have told you :) |
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| 11:11:03 | daniel1234 | if I install the vmware player now and tomorrow I extract the rockbx thing will it still work |
| 11:11:05 | JdGordon | the add-bootloader confused me a bit... I didnt realise that replaces the rockbox bootloader with the newone... |
| 11:11:10 | daniel1234 | rockbox |
| 11:11:51 | linuxstb__ | JdGordon: Yes, I can't think of a word which means "add a bootloader if there isn't one, or replace the existing one if there is already one there" |
| 11:12:23 | JdGordon | install? |
| 11:12:41 | JdGordon | or upgrade? |
| 11:13:02 | daniel1234 | if i install the vmware player now and extract the rockbox image tomorrow will everything work fine |
| 11:13:36 | linuxstb__ | "install" would work... But I'm not sure I want to change it now - at the moment it uses the same options as ipodpatcher. |
| 11:13:50 | scorche | daniel1234: yes...you just cannont use the VMware Player without an image |
| 11:13:52 | markun | so, nobody knows how to see the SoC applicants? |
| 11:14:01 | linuxstb__ | JdGordon: But I assume it's working fine installing and reinstalling bootloaders for you? |
| 11:14:26 | JdGordon | yep |
| 11:14:33 | JdGordon | used it about a dozen times already today :) |
| 11:14:40 | daniel1234 | ok and will the computer boot as normal |
| 11:15:24 | linuxstb__ | Any more Sansa E200 users around wanting to test sansapatcher? |
| 11:15:28 | scorche | daniel1234: of course...it is only an application after all |
| 11:15:55 | * | JdGordon got OF-on-usb booting working :) |
| 11:15:58 | linuxstb__ | Linux, Windows and Mac OS X binaries here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/sansapatcher.zip - just run it and follow the prompts. |
| 11:16:00 | JdGordon | not very nicley tho... |
| 11:16:04 | daniel1234 | so it is like linux in just 1 application |
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| 11:16:26 | scorche | daniel1234: it is more like linux in a window |
| 11:16:51 | amiconn | JdGordon: Afaik the problem with lcd update on sansa is that it is asynchronous. We need to wait for the lcd dma to complete before returning from lcd_update(), but we don't know how to do that yet |
| 11:17:20 | daniel1234 | do u know where i could find instructions on how to install applications on linux so i can install this screenreader i have found |
| 11:17:49 | JdGordon | is there any brute force bit checking that can be done to figure that out that only needs someone to sit through? |
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| 11:19:12 | JdGordon | linuxstb__: I keep getting "cant load from partition, bad checksum when booting the OF... ? |
| 11:19:46 | linuxstb__ | JdGordon: What I would try is to read all the LCD registers immediately after starting an update, then wait for a reasonable time (e.g. 50ms), then read them again and compare. But I have no idea what registers to try, or if someone has already attempted that. |
| 11:20:16 | linuxstb__ | JdGordon: Sounds like the OF is corrupted... Did this just happen? |
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| 11:20:57 | JdGordon | no, its been happening more often than not all day.. i tihnk it finally loads /System/OF.mi4 |
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| 11:21:49 | JdGordon | this verbose bootloader is irritating :p |
| 11:22:01 | linuxstb__ | Is that with the SVN bootloader, or your custom builds? |
| 11:22:15 | JdGordon | custom, oh it gets OF.bin eventually |
| 11:26:20 | linuxstb__ | Can you check that the OF starts from the firmware partition when using the bootloader built into sansapatcher? |
| 11:26:39 | JdGordon | ok, in a min... |
| 11:28:17 | JdGordon | verbose mode is only if right is held, doesnt seem to like left and right being held together :p |
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| 11:30:26 | ashridah | well, it's been three long years. i have a nasty feeling my iriver's finally died :( |
| 11:31:13 | JdGordon | does jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/sansa.patch">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/sansa.patch look ok? |
| 11:32:38 | JdGordon | linuxstb__: no, it loaded OF.bin with the inbuilt loader |
| 11:33:06 | JdGordon | 2nd time it worked tho |
| 11:33:39 | JdGordon | and 3rd time |
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| 11:34:43 | linuxstb__ | JdGordon: OK, best to talk to barrywardell about the OF problems - if that's not working reliably, then we can't release sansapatcher - people who install with sansapatcher won't have the OF.bin or OF.mi4 files. |
| 11:35:03 | JdGordon | righto |
| 11:35:37 | JdGordon | you rekon to check the LCD_REG_* defines in lcd-e200.c before and after and lcd_update? or toher ones? |
| 11:35:44 | JdGordon | other* |
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| 11:36:00 | linuxstb__ | I don't know - I don't know that code at all. |
| 11:36:10 | JdGordon | ok |
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| 11:36:19 | * | JdGordon summons barry! |
| 11:36:42 | linuxstb__ | But it will probably be the same (or similar) registers used to initiate the DMA transfer. |
| 11:37:29 | pixelma | Hi... since there are no logs from yesterday I don't know if it's already been mentiond but solitaire is broken (probably on all Archos) - I guess since the audio playback menu commit... |
| 11:37:48 | JdGordon | broken how? |
| 11:37:50 | linuxstb__ | No, I don't think anyone has mentioned it... |
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| 11:38:38 | pixelma | ...when I select "play" in the menu I get: I04: IllInstr at 091F9B68 |
| 11:39:40 | pixelma | doesn't matter if music is playing or not - ironically it seems that the audio playback menu works fine |
| 11:40:33 | Lear | I've played solitaire (on an h140) after the playback menu was added, so it doesn't affect all platforms. |
| 11:40:47 | pixelma | maybe all hwcodec? |
| 11:40:50 | JdGordon | pressing play in the menu? |
| 11:41:00 | * | JdGordon has suspisionc... |
| 11:41:01 | pixelma | in the game menu |
| 11:41:49 | pixelma | i.e. "startt game" |
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| 11:42:14 | pixelma | start, too |
| 11:43:18 | JdGordon | does this effect other plugins with the playback menu? |
| 11:44:21 | pixelma | sudoku works fine |
| 11:45:18 | pixelma | (but it already comes up with a game - you don't have to start it 'manually') |
| 11:46:42 | pixelma | don't know of any other plugin with an audio playback menu on Archos (was removed for Archos 'cause it has to stop music anyways) |
| 11:47:39 | JdGordon | should play in the menu accept the selection like right? |
| 11:48:58 | pixelma | yeah this happens when I press "right" - just noticed that I get the same result when I press "left" |
| 11:50:12 | pixelma | there are other things to select with pressing "right" like "draw one card/three cards" ... these are ok |
| 11:50:44 | JdGordon | ok, trying something.... |
| 11:50:58 | JdGordon | stupid thing is crashing gdb so at least i can reproduc it here |
| 11:51:07 | JdGordon | its a menu bug, not a playback menu one |
| 11:52:18 | pixelma | hmm might be - haven't noticed before but then I don't play too often |
| 11:54:19 | JdGordon | its crashing in utf8decode() tho :( so maybe its not |
| 11:55:03 | pixelma | I just wonder why it affects only "start game" and probably only on Archos |
| 11:55:36 | JdGordon | i doubt wither of those statements are correct.... |
| 11:58:09 | JdGordon | pixelma: well... just to make sure... can you comment out the audio_playback parts of the menu? or compile with a patch i can throw together? |
| 11:58:48 | JdGordon | bah... buffer overflow! |
| 11:58:50 | pixelma | no can't do that here -> not at home, no build environment here |
| 11:58:52 | JdGordon | no wonder its failing |
| 11:59:32 | JdGordon | whoever did the commit missed a 5 that needed to be changed :p |
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| 12:00:32 | pixelma | I think midkay committed it |
| 12:01:11 | pixelma | thanks for looking into it :) |
| 12:01:30 | JdGordon | all fixed |
| 12:02:13 | * | JdGordon goes back to playing with the sansa :p |
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| 12:02:24 | pixelma | have fun :) |
| 12:03:18 | pixelma | now lunch bbl |
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| 12:15:38 | * | JdGordon wishes to kill the drongo @ sansa who thought a stop button isnt needed! |
| 12:16:02 | crashd | lol, drongo |
| 12:16:07 | crashd | i take it you're an antipodean ;) |
| 12:16:26 | scorche | we just went through drongo a few months back! |
| 12:16:49 | JdGordon | better than some of the other words i coulda used |
| 12:17:12 | * | scorche is still attempting to figure out the evolution of "arvo" |
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| 12:24:47 | Shaid | strewth! |
| 12:25:40 | JdGordon | ok.. everyone... 1...2...3... BARRY!!!! |
| 12:25:53 | JdGordon | if we all do it together he might hear... :p |
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| 12:38:37 | bluebrother | the ipods don't have a stop button too ... ;-) |
| 12:39:18 | JdGordon | i know, stupid bloody things :p |
| 12:40:16 | bluebrother | after using Rockbox on the ipod for a while I think it isn't needed too much |
| 12:40:44 | WIILD | really? |
| 12:40:47 | JdGordon | cept to stop playback... |
| 12:40:56 | JdGordon | which is really only needed when your debugging :p |
| 12:40:58 | WIILD | ipods suck on my opinion |
| 12:41:11 | JdGordon | they suck __on_ your opinion? |
| 12:41:15 | JdGordon | interesting..... |
| 12:41:23 | WIILD | i couldn't think... |
| 12:41:23 | bluebrother | I compared the sound of h120 and ipod mini and was shocked how bad the mini sounds |
| 12:41:55 | * | bluebrother remembers he wanted to do something with the sim buttons |
| 12:42:08 | * | WIILD needs a life |
| 12:42:11 | bluebrother | ... but still 2 month left until more time |
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| 12:52:42 | JdGordon | amiconn: I checked the 10 LCD_REG's before and after an lcd update (after a HZ break) and the only one than changes is #5 which is always either 0x3e and 0x2000003e... is that at all useful? |
| 12:53:28 | amiconn | I don't know |
| 12:53:45 | JdGordon | ok |
| 12:53:58 | JdGordon | hey, why can the fire plugin do such smooth updates? |
| 12:56:41 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I don't understand what you're saying about LCD_REG_5 - what is it when you start the update, and what is it after you wait a little? |
| 12:56:41 | * | amiconn spots some fixes for bugs discovered by his addition of pritf-style format checking :) |
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| 13:33:25 | chrisjs169 | I think there may be a bug in the way Rockbox finds out how much battery power is left (on the Sansa e200 series) |
| 13:34:13 | JdGordon | failry likely |
| 13:36:08 | chrisjs169 | well, I let my Sansa charge last night (on OF of course) and about half an hour after I switched to Rockbox, it says the battery is low, while the OF reports ~75% left |
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| 13:40:25 | iwantanimac | Does Barry Wardells's latest commit to the H10/e200 bootloader is actually changing the bootloader, so i need a new one to use old builds? |
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| 13:41:59 | bluebrother | strange. Seems gmail bounced a couple of list mails to my account. |
| 13:44:23 | iwantanimac | RE: My previous question, anyone? |
| 13:45:51 | pixelma | nls: thanks :) |
| 13:51:16 | JdGordon | iwantanimac: why do you want to use an older rockbox? |
| 13:51:29 | bluebrother | iwantanimac, I'm pretty sure you won't need a new bootloader for older builds −− they worked with an older bootloader, didn't they? |
| 13:52:17 | linuxstb | Yes, the new bootloader works with older rockbox builds. |
| 13:52:27 | iwantanimac | well i don't i'm just wondering, and no, older builds didnt work on the previous bootloader, as there was some new way of doing it to get dualboot working... |
| 13:53:28 | linuxstb | iwantanimac: The version of the bootloader committed a couple of days ago broke backwards compatibility, but that's been reinstated now. |
| 13:53:48 | iwantanimac | ah. okay. thanks for the clarification. |
| 13:54:38 | linuxstb | But the idea is to change Rockbox builds in the near future, and that will require the new version of the bootloader. But for an interim period, the old bootloader will still work. |
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| 13:55:52 | iwantanimac | what exactly is it that'll be chaning that'll need that? |
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| 14:00:52 | chrisjs169 | someone mentioned yesterday that the current sansa e200 bootloader only displays text if there's a problem....i'm guessing that excludes the bootloader freezing? |
| 14:01:17 | iwantanimac | likely, yes. |
| 14:01:45 | chrisjs169 | yeah, that's sorta what i noticed |
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| 14:08:11 | linuxstb | iwantanimac: The main Rockbox binary will change to being in .mi4 format. |
| 14:09:19 | iwantanimac | oh. why change it? |
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| 14:10:42 | linuxstb | iwantanimac: So it's consistent with all other firmware files you use on the Sansa. This will be useful when rolo is working. |
| 14:11:26 | iwantanimac | oh, so rolo will load .mi4 files? |
| 14:11:35 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 14:11:49 | iwantanimac | cool. |
| 14:13:27 | pixelma | JdGordon: solatiare ( :P ) works fine now :) |
| 14:13:45 | JdGordon | great |
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| 14:16:16 | JdGordon | does anyone know why fire and plasma can do fast smooth lcd updates but the wps and chopper cant on the sansa? |
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| 14:17:42 | chrisjs169 | don't forget xobox on the sansa |
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| 14:18:38 | Moos | JdGordon: hi, IIRC you always touched text editor (then know the code a bit), do you know what can let's CPU boosted after usage? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6845 |
| 14:18:45 | chrisjs169 | JdGordon: I think it's the rate at which it has to refresh....in plasma, press Play/Pause a few times |
| 14:19:43 | Moos | *always/already |
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| 14:19:53 | JdGordon | hmm... that bug looks bad :p |
| 14:20:18 | Moos | yeah :) cpu boost at count 268, amazing |
| 14:22:04 | JdGordon | hmm... cpu_boost is called excessivly often :p |
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| 14:22:44 | Moos | indeed |
| 14:23:23 | JdGordon | found the bug tho |
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| 14:27:06 | Moos | JdGordon: that was quick :-) |
| 14:27:18 | JdGordon | yeah, had the unboost after a continue in the loop |
| 14:27:25 | JdGordon | wonder why it took so long to be found :) |
| 14:27:58 | Moos | hehe :) |
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| 14:30:39 | JdGordon | chrisjs169: fire doesnt seem to pause between redraws... and is very smooth |
| 14:32:06 | amiconn | fire probably appears smooth because the frame-to-frame changes are small |
| 14:32:35 | amiconn | ...and the frame calculation takes time, so probably covers the lcd dma |
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| 14:33:51 | chrisjs169 | JdGordon: i had mentioned plasma, not fire :) |
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| 14:34:05 | JdGordon | plasma is smooth also |
| 14:35:40 | chrisjs169 | did you press the play/pause button a few times? |
| 14:35:52 | JdGordon | yeah, still was smooth |
| 14:36:00 | JdGordon | nothing near as bad as in the list |
| 14:36:05 | JdGordon | or wps |
| 14:36:33 | Lear | Hm, maybe I should commit that ";" -> ":" bookmark separator patch... |
| 14:36:58 | chrisjs169 | yeah, but it starts to get somewhat noticeable after pressing play/pause three times (in plasma) |
| 14:37:28 | * | JdGordon thinks it still looks smooth then |
| 14:37:37 | chrisjs169 | lol |
| 14:38:24 | chrisjs169 | maybe it's just my sansa/build, as i notice a slight difference |
| 14:40:08 | bluebrother | Lear, why not use a tab character instead? |
| 14:40:27 | Lear | Looks ugly in an editor? :) |
| 14:40:37 | Lear | ":" is not allowed in a FAT(32) filename anyway... |
| 14:40:42 | bluebrother | who opens bookmark files in an editor anyway? |
| 14:42:36 | chrisjs169 | i'll see if i can get a screendump of plasma |
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| 14:47:30 | JdGordon | :'( it seems to be freezing trying to load the OF now |
| 14:47:46 | JdGordon | ah, nope... just me being impatient |
| 14:48:23 | chrisjs169 | here's a screendump of what happens to plasma (on mine) - http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/5980/dump070318084428dz4.png |
| 14:49:08 | * | JdGordon loves how the sansa screen goes pink then red then black when it freezes :D |
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| 14:51:14 | chrisjs169 | yeah, mine usually just goes straight to red though, depending on what pink is classified as |
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| 15:28:37 | chrisjs169 | hi |
| 15:29:23 | ArnoO | Someone use rockbox with Sansa e200 ? |
| 15:29:42 | chrisjs169 | yup, i do |
| 15:29:57 | Juice^ | yes i do |
| 15:30:04 | ArnoO | ok |
| 15:30:09 | ArnoO | Are you using linux ? |
| 15:30:19 | linuxstb | chrisjs169: Did you ever work out what was happening with the "Writing." message your Sansa was displaying? Were there any ill-effects by just disconnecting it? |
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| 15:30:20 | chrisjs169 | I can switch over to linux |
| 15:30:22 | Juice^ | not at the moment |
| 15:30:27 | ArnoO | ok |
| 15:30:36 | Llorean | linuxstb: "Writing" after running Sansapatcher? |
| 15:30:39 | ArnoO | Because i can see the player when i plug it |
| 15:30:41 | ArnoO | :/ |
| 15:30:56 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, I think so. |
| 15:31:01 | ArnoO | Under windows it's ok ? |
| 15:31:02 | chrisjs169 | linuxstb: I didn't try just disconnecting it, as if it did have a problem, the OF would freeze while refreshing the database |
| 15:31:14 | Llorean | linuxstb: There were no ill effects on mine if I told windows to eject while it said "Writing." Windows would still safely eject it, and it won't on a device that's busy |
| 15:31:20 | Juice^ | ArnoO: sansa cannot be accessed as a drive when rockbox is running, the usb functions are not implemented.. is that it? |
| 15:31:28 | ArnoO | oh ok |
| 15:31:33 | ArnoO | It will be i think ? |
| 15:31:51 | Juice^ | I would love to have that option. |
| 15:31:51 | linuxstb | Llorean: OK. Do you think a note about that is needed in the Windows section of the instructions? I think chrisjs169 said it didn't happen from Linux. |
| 15:31:55 | Llorean | linuxstb: The "Writing" message is just something the Sansa does in response to some sort of message Windows sends it, it's not the real status of the disk. I think Bagder mentioned that on his, while transferring files from Linux, the writing never came up (or behaved strangely) as well. |
| 15:32:28 | chrisjs169 | linuxstb: Yeah, like Llorean, Windows safely ejects it without a problem |
| 15:32:40 | linuxstb | BTW, there's a "SansaE200InstallBeta" wiki page where the instructions are being devised... |
| 15:33:32 | linuxstb | Llorean: The "release-candidate" of sansapatcher is here if you want to run it through its paces - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/sansapatcher.zip (binaries for Linux/win32/Mac) |
| 15:33:36 | Llorean | linuxstb: Yes, some sort of note about how it's normal, and as long as windows allows you to safely eject there will be no problem. |
| 15:34:03 | ArnoO | The battery level is wrong too, no? |
| 15:35:17 | chrisjs169 | the battery level does indeed have some kind of bug in it |
| 15:35:24 | linuxstb | Llorean: jdGordon mentioned problems with the OF not reliably being loaded from the firmware partition (sometimes it's loaded from OF.bin or OF.mi4). Could you see if you experience that? |
| 15:35:27 | ArnoO | ok |
| 15:35:47 | ArnoO | And there is an another solution expect remove the battery to reboot my sansa when rockbox crash ? |
| 15:36:01 | chrisjs169 | press and hold power/menu for 15 seconds |
| 15:36:22 | chrisjs169 | it's a hardware based power off, so it'll work regardless of what happens (even on the OF) |
| 15:36:50 | Llorean | linuxstb: Alright, I'll see what it's doing on mine then. |
| 15:37:29 | ArnoO | ok |
| 15:37:34 | chrisjs169 | linuxstb: you may want to add in the 'Bootloader installation from windows' section that sansapatcher must be run from the command prompt, not by double clicking on it |
| 15:37:46 | chrisjs169 | (assuming they use the exe) |
| 15:37:49 | ArnoO | What theme are you using? |
| 15:38:24 | Llorean | linuxstb: How is he noticing it load the OF from file vs partition? He doesn't have one so it errors? |
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| 15:45:05 | ArnoO | ?? |
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| 15:45:31 | Llorean | chrisjs169: What gave you the impression it had to be run from the command prompt? |
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| 15:46:25 | Llorean | linuxstb: It seems to boot the OF reliably (for me), though there's a bit of strange LCD behaviour. It clears white before booting (OF or Rockbox, though Rockbox comes quickly enough you don't notice) and sometimes after clearing White, while waiting for the OF it fades to purple and then black in a very strange way (and still boots the OF) |
| 15:47:45 | chrisjs169 | Llorean: sorry, my mistake....yesterday when I tried it it had to be run from the command prompt |
| 15:48:06 | chrisjs169 | I guess the windows binary was updated :P |
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| 15:57:08 | chrisjs169 | linuxstb: I added my user to the group 'disk' and executed Sansapatcher without sudo, and it continues to be unable to detect the Sansa |
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| 16:01:07 | linuxstb | Did you logout and back in again? |
| 16:01:38 | linuxstb | Typing "groups" will tell you the groups you're in, and you can compare that with the device node (e.g. /dev/sda) assigned to your E200. |
| 16:01:40 | chrisjs169 | oh xD now it works |
| 16:01:47 | chrisjs169 | I had to logout |
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| 16:05:21 | chrisjs169 | Think I may have a bug |
| 16:06:30 | chrisjs169 | I just need to test it again |
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| 16:10:41 | chrisjs169 | Hmm |
| 16:10:59 | chrisjs169 | even with the included PP5022.mi4 file removed, it still uninstalls/installs the bootloader |
| 16:11:04 | Nico_P | i'm looking for testers for my new WPS code |
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| 16:11:38 | chrisjs169 | Nico_P: for what player? |
| 16:11:45 | Nico_P | chrisjs169: any |
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| 16:11:54 | Llorean | chrisjs169: The bootloader is embedded in the .exe |
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| 16:12:40 | chrisjs169 | Llorean: I was actually referring the the linux binary, but in either case, what's the point in having that extra file? Just in case the patcher doesn't work? |
| 16:13:28 | Nico_P | linuxstb: would you be willing to try it ? |
| 16:13:46 | Nico_P | i'm particularly interested in boost ratios |
| 16:14:11 | chrisjs169 | Nico_P: I can try it on my Sansa |
| 16:14:48 | Nico_P | chrisjs169: do you know about boost ratio ? do you have tracks that skip ? |
| 16:15:03 | chrisjs169 | both no =/ |
| 16:15:29 | Llorean | chrisjs169: I think the extra binary is there so that other functions of the program can be tested as well. I'm not really sure. Or maybe so you can restore the old-style bootloader (Is it the old-style one?) after you're done playing. |
| 16:15:57 | Llorean | Nico_P: Is your new WPS code likely to improve WPS drawing performance, or just loading? |
| 16:16:12 | Nico_P | Llorean: drawing especially |
| 16:16:16 | Nico_P | loading i'm not sure |
| 16:16:46 | Nico_P | my main goal was to do as little as possible when drawing the WPS |
| 16:16:56 | Llorean | Ah |
| 16:17:02 | chrisjs169 | Llorean: the mi4 is the Rockbox firmware, which makes it a little odd |
| 16:17:16 | Llorean | chrisjs169: Well yes, that's why I called it a "bootloader". :-P |
| 16:17:24 | Nico_P | Llorean: also i wanted a cleaner code and i hoped for smaller binsize |
| 16:17:35 | Nico_P | sadly, binsize seems to be about the same |
| 16:17:37 | Llorean | chrisjs169: What I was saying is that maybe it's the old-style bootloader that loads OF.bin, rather than the in-partition OF. |
| 16:17:49 | chrisjs169 | Llorean: ah, ok |
| 16:17:53 | Llorean | chrisjs169: Though I haven't looked at it, so this is just hypothetical. |
| 16:18:26 | Llorean | chrisjs169: It could also just be there for testing the -a feature of sansapatcher. |
| 16:18:59 | chrisjs169 | Llorean: ah, that's probably why |
| 16:19:11 | Llorean | Nico_P: Well, performance increase without significant binsize change wouldn't be bad either. |
| 16:19:35 | Nico_P | :) |
| 16:19:54 | Nico_P | that's why i'm looking for testers with "weaker" targets than my gigabeat |
| 16:20:05 | Llorean | Yeah, not much you can notice on the gigabeat. :) |
| 16:20:06 | Nico_P | it's hard to notice a performance increase on that one |
| 16:20:55 | Nico_P | actually it does feel a little smoother but that's probably my imagination |
| 16:21:24 | Llorean | Probably, since for a while we ran the Gigabeat (we think) at 100mhz and it still never needed to boost. ;) |
| 16:21:38 | Llorean | Assuming the clock speed was changed properly (battery life was actually slightly worse according to some tests) |
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| 16:22:48 | Nico_P | Llorean: would you have time to test on an ipod ? |
| 16:23:00 | linuxstb | chrisjs169: The PP5024.mi4 file included in the ZIP is just the bootloader which is embedded inside sansapatcher - you only need the executable for your platform. |
| 16:23:19 | linuxstb | Nico_P: How can you measure the boost ratio? The boost ratio is only shown in the Audio debug screen... |
| 16:23:41 | Nico_P | linuxstb: good point :) |
| 16:23:49 | Llorean | linuxstb: Did JDGordon say how to reproduce, or how he noticed, the loading of an on-disk OF.bin? |
| 16:23:58 | Llorean | Or attempt to load, or whatever? |
| 16:24:01 | chrisjs169 | linuxstb: Ah, ok |
| 16:24:28 | linuxstb | Llorean: I think it told him - maybe he was holding the RIGHT button. |
| 16:24:37 | Nico_P | linuxstb: at least it should be easy to load the default WPS and see if there's less sipping |
| 16:24:41 | Llorean | linuxstb: I tried holding Right and couldn't get any text output at all. =/ |
| 16:24:45 | Nico_P | or other WPSs for that matter |
| 16:24:55 | linuxstb | Llorean: You could try renaming your OF.bin and see what happens. You can then restore it from within Rockbox if you have problems. |
| 16:25:00 | Nico_P | also I'm not sure all WPSs work |
| 16:25:11 | Llorean | linuxstb: I removed my OF.bin, and it still boots regularly. I was hoping for a "Can't find OF.bin" message. :) |
| 16:25:19 | Llorean | Boots the OF regularly, I mean. |
| 16:25:58 | Llorean | Nico_P: Make a TSR plugin that keeps track of the boost ratio much like battery_bench tracks voltage, then go straight from the plugin to WPS, leave it there for a few hours, then check its log. :-P |
| 16:26:10 | Llorean | Of course, then boost ratio would have to be active outside the debug screen. |
| 16:26:36 | Nico_P | Llorean: what a brilliant idea !! it's so simple i wonder why I didn't think of it before :) |
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| 16:26:55 | Nico_P | and so easy to code too |
| 16:27:17 | Stalwart | /topic Long topic |
| 16:27:19 | Stalwart | ;) |
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| 16:27:52 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I predict a lot of broken patches if your WPS code is committed... |
| 16:28:07 | Nico_P | linuxstb: yes |
| 16:28:18 | Nico_P | i still hope to commit it :) |
| 16:28:35 | linuxstb | Sure - that won't be a reason for it not being committed. |
| 16:28:55 | Nico_P | linuxstb: do you have time for a little testing ? |
| 16:29:09 | Llorean | Nico_P: Well, I never thought of it before either, so it works out. :) |
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| 16:29:51 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Not immediately. I also don't have any WPSs, or any files on my ipod which aren't FLAC... But I'll try and give it a go later. |
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| 16:30:28 | barrywardell | hi |
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| 16:30:39 | barrywardell | any news on sansapatcher? |
| 16:31:08 | Llorean | barrywardell: linuxstb's most recent one works great for me, at least (with the exception of the bootloader clearing the screen to white, and then sometimes fading to purple then black, for some strange reason) |
| 16:31:17 | linuxstb | I gave up waiting for you to build a bootloader, and built one myself - the bootloader and sansapatcher binaries are here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/sansapatcher.zip |
| 16:31:46 | barrywardell | linuxstb: I built one for you last night. did you not get my message? |
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| 16:31:54 | linuxstb | No... |
| 16:32:02 | barrywardell | weird |
| 16:32:46 | linuxstb | I was possibly logged in from two computers at the same time, and you msg'ed the wrong me. |
| 16:33:42 | barrywardell | that might have been it. oh well, it's here anyway: barrywardell.net/assets/files/sansapatcher/PP5022.mi4">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/sansapatcher/PP5022.mi4 |
| 16:34:18 | barrywardell | but you probably have the exact same one yourself |
| 16:34:33 | linuxstb | md5 sums are different... |
| 16:34:37 | Llorean | barrywardell, linuxstb: Any idea why the bootloader clears the screen to white before loading OF or Rockbox? |
| 16:34:47 | * | linuxstb has no idea |
| 16:34:54 | barrywardell | Llorean: it must be in the init somewhere |
| 16:35:11 | barrywardell | the bootloader doesn't do any lcd_update() at all unless there's an error |
| 16:35:17 | Llorean | barrywardell: Half the time, once it clears to white it fades to purple, and then black (not every pixel fades at the same rate), but the OF still boots. |
| 16:35:19 | linuxstb | Maybe avoid calling the lcd_init unless lcd_update is needed? |
| 16:35:56 | barrywardell | that could work. but it would be nicer to find the cause of the problem |
| 16:36:06 | Llorean | It's the purple fade that really bothers me. |
| 16:36:11 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Also, JdGordon reported some inconsistency in loading the OF from the partition, but he was also experimenting with his own bootloader, so best to ask him for the details. |
| 16:36:17 | Llorean | It looks like something has gone horribly wrong, and right before you panic, the OF finally decides to boot. |
| 16:36:37 | barrywardell | probably something to do with the fact that it's asynchronous with dma |
| 16:37:03 | barrywardell | pity there's no irc logs from yesterday |
| 16:37:11 | Stalwart | Nico_P: i have nano and want to test |
| 16:37:21 | Nico_P | Stalwart: cool |
| 16:37:24 | barrywardell | i assume that's because of the webserver changeover? |
| 16:37:29 | Nico_P | Stalwart: can you patch ? |
| 16:37:39 | Stalwart | Nico_P: is it only optimizations or some fancy features too? |
| 16:37:55 | Stalwart | Nico_P: i don't want to set toolchain, can you build pack for me? |
| 16:37:58 | Llorean | Nico_P: Have you come up with a way to test yet? Remember "WPS doesn't show in debug screen"? :-P |
| 16:38:10 | chrisjs169 | i hate windows.....explorer got terminated and it won't restart |
| 16:38:11 | Nico_P | Stalwart: optimization, no new features. I can build for you |
| 16:38:36 | Nico_P | Llorean: for no i'll just rely on "more or less skipping" :) |
| 16:38:36 | Stalwart | Nico_P: build please |
| 16:38:42 | Nico_P | Stalwart: ok |
| 16:38:56 | Stalwart | btw, i never had skipping on rockbox |
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| 16:39:11 | Nico_P | Stalwart: even with the default WPS ? |
| 16:39:12 | Stalwart | i had on original firmware 1.1 for nano |
| 16:39:29 | Stalwart | Nico_P: yes |
| 16:39:34 | Nico_P | ah |
| 16:39:53 | Stalwart | and after dualcore stuff commit rockbox is fast as fuck |
| 16:40:09 | barrywardell | is there any reason why the sprintf-like functions don't support precision so that we can set the max string length? |
| 16:40:17 | Nico_P | Llorean: i probably misunderstood the boost ratio in the debug screen... it isn't updated when the audio thread screen isn't shown ? |
| 16:41:31 | barrywardell | and does this look like an OK way to add the functionality: http://pastebin.ca/400195? |
| 16:41:35 | Nico_P | Stalwart: http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/rockbox.zip |
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| 16:44:14 | Llorean | Nico_P: I'm not sure, but I think the audio screen just keeps track of time boosted, time not boosted, and computes a ratio over time as long as the screen is shown, but it's not tracked when it's not. |
| 16:44:33 | Nico_P | ah |
| 16:44:58 | Llorean | Nico_P: So all a plugin really needs to know is whether the CPU is boosted or not, and then keep track of the time in each state. :) |
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| 16:45:33 | Nico_P | hmm |
| 16:45:37 | Stalwart | Nico_P: i downloaded, now upgrading ipod and will check in few minutes |
| 16:45:51 | Nico_P | Llorean: i might be better off doing some profiling |
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| 16:45:57 | Llorean | Nico_P: That could work too. |
| 16:45:57 | Nico_P | Stalwart: ok, cool |
| 16:46:12 | bluebrother | chrisjs169, you can restart explorer from the task manager |
| 16:46:31 | bluebrother | I sometimes even kill explorer.exe on purpose |
| 16:46:35 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Maybe you could keep track of the time boosted and unboosted in the core cpu_boost() function - and just display those values somewhere (maybe in a new WPS tag). |
| 16:46:47 | chrisjs169 | bluebrother: I know, but I had this bright idea of selecting to have the explorer windows open in a new process |
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| 16:47:09 | chrisjs169 | starting explorer from the task manager opens up My Documents |
| 16:47:22 | bluebrother | you still can restart it. You just need to kill all other instances first |
| 16:47:27 | chrisjs169 | I did |
| 16:47:28 | bluebrother | including internet explorer |
| 16:47:32 | chrisjs169 | I don't use IE |
| 16:47:34 | chrisjs169 | lol |
| 16:47:48 | chrisjs169 | So, I log out, go to log in again, Windows BSOD's |
| 16:47:54 | chrisjs169 | So I'm in Ubuntu |
| 16:48:05 | Soap | ##windows is the channel |
| 16:48:06 | bluebrother | hehe |
| 16:48:07 | * | chrisjs169 notices how off topic this just got |
| 16:49:11 | chrisjs169 | I think I have a bad stick of memory in my computer....it's always trying to read from memory when it BSOD's |
| 16:50:44 | Stalwart | Nico_P: works fine |
| 16:50:46 | Stalwart | flac + default theme - no skips |
| 16:51:24 | Stalwart | no skips with my fav. iCatcher too |
| 16:51:24 | Nico_P | Stalwart: apparently flac is not CPU hungry enough |
| 16:51:35 | Stalwart | i can test with .mpc |
| 16:51:55 | Nico_P | Stalwart: I'm hoping to get less skips when they were some with an official build |
| 16:52:04 | Juice^ | the battery section in debug for the sansa cannot be exited back to rockbox menus, it requires an forced shutdown.. is this known, could it be a bug? |
| 16:52:31 | Soap | .mpc isn't hungry enough either |
| 16:52:31 | Nico_P | Stalwart: so you'd need something that used to skip with an SVN build |
| 16:52:46 | Soap | like mp3 and multiple bands of EQ |
| 16:52:49 | Stalwart | Nico_P: nothing skipped with recent svns =\ |
| 16:52:54 | Soap | bull |
| 16:53:04 | Soap | 5 bands of eq and mp3 doesn't skip? |
| 16:53:18 | Soap | if not add crossfeed, dithering, or peakmeters. |
| 16:53:24 | Stalwart | ghm |
| 16:53:29 | Stalwart | wait a bit, i'll do |
| 16:54:06 | Nico_P | Stalwart: ideally, you should try the same config with SVN and my build to see if they are differences |
| 16:55:12 | Stalwart | woops, i got this sucker to skip a little bit |
| 16:55:40 | bluebrother | wow. My mini must be special |
| 16:55:55 | Nico_P | bluebrother: you get a lot of skipping ? |
| 16:56:11 | bluebrother | no, I get no skipping :) |
| 16:56:14 | smolyn | hey does anyone know what the most recent stableish build for a nano 1g is? i've been trying stuff from the 15th onwards and I can't seem to get it to play anything. it won't play anything, and whats weirder is that it has a lot of problems reading id3 tags from most of the files. Sometimes it even just says "File not there" |
| 16:56:18 | Stalwart | eq + gain + crossfeed + dithering == yea, tracks pays a wee bit slower than ususal |
| 16:56:34 | bluebrother | used "Pop" preset, and default wps with peak meters |
| 16:56:49 | bluebrother | the peak meters get sluggish as hell and boost ratio stays at 100% |
| 16:56:55 | Nico_P | Stalwart: could you test the same thing with an SVN buid ? |
| 16:56:57 | bluebrother | even scrolling gets laggy |
| 16:57:18 | Stalwart | yup, boost is always 100 |
| 16:57:24 | bluebrother | but no skips |
| 16:57:25 | Stalwart | Nico_P: yes, wait a bit |
| 16:57:34 | Stalwart | ghm, i changed track and now it doesn't skip |
| 16:57:38 | Juice^ | creepy, i edit lots of advanced eq settings, now it sounds like the artist is singing inside of the center of my brain! |
| 16:57:54 | Stalwart | Juice^: that's called crossfeed |
| 16:58:03 | bluebrother | I should enable crossfeed too ;-) |
| 16:58:08 | Juice^ | Stalwart: ok .. :) its creepy |
| 16:58:24 | Stalwart | shit |
| 16:58:35 | Stalwart | rockbox skips only on certain :Wumpscut: tracks |
| 16:58:49 | Stalwart | but they have heavy psychoacoustics |
| 16:58:54 | bluebrother | ok. Skips when crossfeed and dithering also enabled |
| 16:58:57 | Soap | crossfeed should _prevent_ the soundstage sounding as if it is the center of your head. |
| 16:59:12 | smolyn | i orignally formatted the partition manually in linux, made sure it was FAT32, did I mess up some of the settings perhaps? |
| 16:59:18 | Soap | it should simulate listening to speakers, not headphones. |
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| 17:00:20 | Soap | smolyn: when your nano boots, and you see the text during the boot process, is it black text on a light blue background or white text on a black background (I mean before you get to the Main Menu) |
| 17:00:51 | * | Stalwart downgrades to svn |
| 17:00:52 | bluebrother | wow. Farnell website down for a "scheduled system upgrade" for more than 24h now :( |
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| 17:00:56 | smolyn | black on blue |
| 17:01:12 | Soap | smolyn: your problem is you are using the old bootloader. |
| 17:01:23 | Soap | You should check out the manual and install the new bootloader. |
| 17:01:50 | smolyn | ah crappity. thanks. yeah i installed it from the manual instructions just last week but I must have downloaded the wrong thing. i'll give it a do-over |
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| 17:02:45 | Stalwart | shiiiit |
| 17:03:05 | Stalwart | with vanilla svn (w/o Nico_P's patch) i can hardly navigate menu |
| 17:03:34 | Stalwart | Nico_P: your code IS faster |
| 17:03:39 | Nico_P | :) |
| 17:03:52 | Stalwart | peak meters update @ ~0.5 fps |
| 17:04:12 | Nico_P | I'm going to try a bit of profiling |
| 17:04:45 | Juice^ | Nico_P: without a doubt, its faster than the current svn.. i switched back to your build now :) |
| 17:05:55 | Stalwart | on settings i usually use vanilla doesn't skip, but with everything enabled Nico_P's code blows away current implementation |
| 17:05:57 | Juice^ | Nico_P: strange .. now the volume adjustment was laggy with your build too |
| 17:06:17 | Nico_P | Juice^: maybe it's related to boost |
| 17:06:30 | Juice^ | Nico_P: maby |
| 17:06:36 | linuxstb | chrisjs169: (I've just read your last forum post) - afaik, mpegplayer runs on the Sansa. |
| 17:06:49 | chrisjs169 | it does? |
| 17:06:56 | Juice^ | yes mpegplayer runs on my sansa |
| 17:07:10 | linuxstb | It has done since before audio support... |
| 17:07:18 | chrisjs169 | Weird, i don't even see it on mine... |
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| 17:07:22 | Nico_P | linuxstb: the docs say "Make sure that the functions of interest will be compiled with the PROFILE_OPTS added to their CFLAGS"... how do i do that ? |
| 17:07:38 | smolyn | hrm i downloaded the latest ipodpatcher and ran it but i still get the old bootloader (black on blue text still) |
| 17:07:49 | Juice^ | Anyone knows if usb charge is working for the sansa? |
| 17:08:37 | linuxstb | chrisjs169 - It's a viewer - you launch it by selecting a .mpg file in the file browser, not via the Browse Plugins menu. |
| 17:08:52 | chrisjs169 | ah, mpg....that explains it :P |
| 17:09:39 | chrisjs169 | I haven't been on the forums in a while, so I need to catch up on what all has been done |
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| 17:10:10 | chrisjs169 | What's up with the forums? |
| 17:10:26 | chrisjs169 | The database seems to be messed up... |
| 17:10:45 | chrisjs169 | or was... |
| 17:12:08 | Nico_P | profiling only works on m68k :( |
| 17:12:12 | Nico_P | can I profile on sim ? |
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| 17:20:43 | Stalwart | maybe i'm evil, but i like reading forum threads about device bricking and debricking |
| 17:21:26 | Stalwart | i like my nano for being totally unbrickable by reformatting flash |
| 17:22:17 | linuxstb | By definition, you can't "debrick" something.. |
| 17:23:12 | Stalwart | converting boiled cpu to badge is kind of debricking :D |
| 17:23:34 | Nico_P | linuxstb: could you give me a hand with the profiling ? |
| 17:23:43 | linuxstb | Sorry, I've never used it... |
| 17:24:08 | Nico_P | linuxstb: maybe you know ho I can "Make sure that the functions of interest will be compiled with the PROFILE_OPTS added to their CFLAGS" ? |
| 17:28:37 | linuxstb | I think most profiling so far has been with the codecs - so that would have meant just adding that option to the Makefile in the code subdirectory. I'm not sure what's needed if you only want to profile some of the core functions. |
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| 17:35:05 | Nico_P | I can't build |
| 17:35:35 | Nico_P | I think I'll go with a boost tag |
| 17:40:27 | chrisjs169 | I know this is usually rather hard to answer, but does anyone have an estimate as to when there will be USB support on the Sansa? |
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| 17:44:46 | Llorean | chrisjs169: It's more like "Impossible" to answer. |
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| 17:44:59 | chrisjs169 | Llorean: ok |
| 17:45:27 | Llorean | chrisjs169: The iPods have gone over a year now depending on the original firmware for USB support, and if you include iPodLinux, quite some time longer than that. And the Sansa is in the same boat as the iPod, to an extent. |
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| 17:45:46 | chrisjs169 | Llorean: ok |
| 17:46:10 | NBenton | Is there anyway to boot Rockbox faster? Like to skip the Apple logo before Rockbox boots? |
| 17:46:44 | linuxstb | You can remove the Apple firmware from your ipod's firmware partition. |
| 17:47:59 | linuxstb | You can read about ipodpatcher and the ipod boot process a little here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPatcher |
| 17:48:03 | bluebrother | that will require to update the firmware partition every time you update rockbox, right? |
| 17:48:45 | linuxstb | No, you can put the Rockbox bootloader in the firmware partition by itself. |
| 17:48:50 | linuxstb | (i.e. without appleos) |
| 17:49:26 | linuxstb | Even faster booting can be achieved if you don't use the bootloader at all, and just put Rockbox there - and in that case, you need to do it every time you upgrade Rockbox. |
| 17:49:49 | bluebrother | ah, ok. |
| 17:50:27 | NBenton | So in order to remove the apple logo every time I turn on my iPod, it would require me to remove the AppleOS completely? |
| 17:50:32 | bluebrother | but when writing to bootloader to the firmware partition you can still boot OF using the apple_os.ipod method, right? |
| 17:50:34 | linuxstb | The standard install attaches the bootloader to the end of the Apple OS image, which means both are loaded to RAM together on boot. |
| 17:51:16 | linuxstb | NBenton: You can't remove the Apple logo - that's displayed by the Apple bootloader which is safe in flash ROM. But you can reduce the amount of time it is displayed for. |
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| 17:51:36 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Yes. |
| 17:51:46 | bluebrother | nice. |
| 17:51:53 | * | bluebrother considers doing this |
| 17:51:58 | linuxstb | Or hopefully at some time in the future, with rolo |
| 17:52:32 | NBenton | linuxstb: I would adjust the amount of time it displays with? |
| 17:52:43 | NBenton | I appreciate your help. I hate being the newbie at something. |
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| 17:53:20 | linuxstb | NBenton: When the ipod is turned on, the Apple bootloader (in flash ROM) is run. This displays the Apple logo (without backlight), and then loads the firmware stored on disk in the firmware partition. |
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| 17:54:07 | linuxstb | NBenton: When you have Rockbox installed, the firmware the Apple bootloader loads is a combination of both the Rockbox bootloader (about 50KB) and the Apple firmware (about 5MB). As soon as this is loaded to RAM, the Rockbox bootloader is started, which turns the backlight on (but leaves the Apple logo there). |
| 17:54:11 | webguest39 | hi there... i have a quick question: how do i dualboot on the jukebox recorder v1? |
| 17:54:34 | linuxstb | The Rockbox bootloader then starts Rockbox itself, and it's Rockbox itself which displays the Rockbox logo. |
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| 17:54:56 | linuxstb | NBenton: So the way to reduce boottime is to remove the 5MB worth of AppleOS from the disk partition. |
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| 17:55:18 | bluebrother | hmm. Ipodpatcher can't write the embedded bootloader to the firmware partition itself? |
| 17:55:35 | linuxstb | webguest39: I think you just select the ".ajz" file containing the original firmware from the Rockbox file browser. |
| 17:55:46 | NBenton | Thank you, linuxstb. |
| 17:56:12 | webguest39 | ah okay thank you ...will try this |
| 17:56:14 | linuxstb | bluebrother: No... It should be trivial to add, but I haven't done it. You can download the bootloader from http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ though. |
| 17:56:34 | Llorean | webguest39: Out of curiosity, why are you wanting to dual boot? |
| 17:56:52 | bluebrother | thanks, I know that ... was just a bit unsure if it's correct it doesn't do that |
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| 17:58:31 | webguest39 | llorean: hehe i don't want it but i'm just asking because a friend of mine who hasn't tested rockbox yet feels better if he can...hopefully not for long;) |
| 17:58:47 | Llorean | Ah, I was wondering if the Recorders still had something Rockbox doesn't do. |
| 17:58:56 | Llorean | I would think "Yes you can uninstall it" would've been more than enough anyway. ;) |
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| 17:59:35 | webguest39 | he says recording with the OF is really annoying |
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| 18:00:08 | TheSphinX^ | linuxstb: pleas look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6814 before commit |
| 18:01:27 | NBenton | lol |
| 18:01:36 | NBenton | I just tried playing a gameboy rom with rockbox. |
| 18:01:48 | NBenton | That's pretty niffty. The music is choppy but it's niffty. |
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| 18:03:47 | mattzz | Anybody happens to know the difference between ADC_BVDD and ADC_VBAT on sansa? |
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| 18:06:55 | barrywardell_ | mattzz: according to the datasheet, BVDD checks the battery voltage of 4V LiIo accumulator |
| 18:07:10 | barrywardell_ | while VBAT checks the single cell battery voltage |
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| 18:07:42 | mattzz | barrywardell_: hm, what is the difference then? |
| 18:07:54 | mattzz | barrywardell_: BVDD matters for sansa? |
| 18:08:11 | barrywardell_ | BVDD seems to be the battery voltage the OF reads |
| 18:08:29 | linuxstb | TheSphinX^: Sorry, too late.... |
| 18:08:51 | * | TheSphinX^ linuxstb diesn't matter |
| 18:09:01 | mattzz | barrywardell_: ok. just checking if I could fix the wrong battery reading on the sansa... |
| 18:09:30 | barrywardell_ | what do you mean by wrong? |
| 18:09:51 | mattzz | barrywardell_: sansa says 5% where OF says nearly full |
| 18:10:07 | mattzz | s/sansa/rockbox/ |
| 18:10:08 | barrywardell_ | ah yes, ok |
| 18:10:54 | barrywardell_ | what we need to do is find what voltage is read when the battery is full, at 90%, 80%, ...0% |
| 18:11:04 | linuxstb | TheSphinX^: Regarding displaying the volume when changing it, I think mpegplayer needs a proper overlayed display for information like that, which also correctly handles the rotated screens (Sansa and Gigabeat). |
| 18:11:36 | mattzz | barrywardell_: sounds like a battery-bench run to me |
| 18:11:36 | * | TheSphinX^ linuxstb ok |
| 18:11:40 | barrywardell_ | and then feed that data into apps/powermgmt.c |
| 18:12:01 | barrywardell_ | mattzz: exactly. although you might need to disable the low battery power off |
| 18:12:26 | barrywardell_ | mattzz: by setting battery_level_dangerous and battery_level_shutoff to be 0 |
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| 18:12:32 | mattzz | barrywardell_: Alrighty.... |
| 18:12:44 | mattzz | barrywardell_: no c skill needed for that one ;-) |
| 18:12:57 | linuxstb | TheSphinX^: I have a work-in-progress patch which should improve A/V sync in mpegplayer - it's working well on my gigabeat, but is corrupting the audio on my ipod, so I can't commit yet. Do you mind testing it on your X5? |
| 18:13:27 | * | TheSphinX^ linuxstb yes |
| 18:13:29 | linuxstb | http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/mpegplayer-avsync.diff |
| 18:14:54 | barrywardell_ | mattzz: once you have the results, post a patch or even just the battery bench file and i'd be glad to update the code |
| 18:15:34 | linuxstb | barrywardell_: What do you think about the new bootloader and sansapatcher? Are you going to investigate the LCD issues, or are you happy to release as it is? |
| 18:15:40 | mattzz | barrywardell_: is BATT_LPCS355385 confirmed for sansa e200? |
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| 18:19:03 | barrywardell_ | linuxstb: there are just two problems left |
| 18:19:22 | barrywardell_ | 1) the lcd issue. I'll try your suggestion of just not doing the init unless we have to update |
| 18:20:40 | barrywardell_ | 2) printf doesn't support precision in the format, so it currently prints the model and type strings with extra characters at the end |
| 18:21:19 | barrywardell_ | mattzz: that's almost definitely wrong. that battery is used in the H10, so it was probably just copied for the sansa |
| 18:21:55 | barrywardell_ | the sansa has a Li-Ion battery which has different voltage characteristics to LiPoly batteries |
| 18:22:13 | * | mattzz is just dismantling his sansa... |
| 18:23:02 | barrywardell_ | linuxstb: for 2, I have a patch for the sprintf functions http://pastebin.ca/400195 |
| 18:23:47 | mattzz | barrywardell_: yep, makes perfectly sense... |
| 18:25:21 | mattzz | for the archive: sansa battery it reads p/n 54-57-00046 |
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| 18:26:23 | barrywardell_ | mattzz: that matches what Bagder's sansa has: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200/pics/ |
| 18:27:09 | nls | and this http://www.auctionlogistix.com/showimages.htm?img=http://208.52.132.65/auctionlogistix/images/54-5700046b.jpg :_) |
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| 18:31:25 | lImbus | hi all |
| 18:31:39 | Seed | hi |
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| 18:32:28 | lImbus | wientapper back to project ? |
| 18:32:47 | mattzz_ | lImbus: yep |
| 18:32:52 | lImbus | nice |
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| 18:34:41 | barrywardell_ | linuxstb: there's also 3) occasionally the checksum fails. according to JdGordan it happens every time after usb |
| 18:35:04 | barrywardell_ | linuxstb: so I'd say there is a little more work to be done before the bootloader is ready |
| 18:35:06 | mattzz_ | barrywardell_: never mind - found it ;-= |
| 18:35:41 | * | TheSphinX^ linuxstb the audio comes a few seconds bevore the video with your patch |
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| 18:41:27 | * | TheSphinX^ linuxstb and change "rb->splash(0,true,"mpeg2_init failed");" to "rb->splash(0,"mpeg2_init failed");" ;) |
| 18:42:27 | lImbus | Does anyone know which of the rockbox-compatible hardwares (I own) support monitoring of line in while playing back/radio ? |
| 18:42:57 | lImbus | The devices with line in I own are OndioFM, recV1 and H320 |
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| 18:44:02 | lImbus | I'm thinking of a kind of talkover mode: When another device connected to line in plays back something (like navigation instructions), rockbox would pause playback |
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| 18:46:56 | amiconn | lImbus: Hehe, this is a special feature of rockbox on the archos player (only, afaik) |
| 18:47:18 | nls | lImbus: i _think_ jhMikeS mentioned the h100 and h300 being technically able to playback and record at the same time... not supported in rockbox (yet) tho |
| 18:47:45 | amiconn | Technically it should be possible on all targets capable of recording |
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| 18:48:03 | lImbus | I know archos can bypass/slope in line-in. What I want is to monitor line-in so I can pause playback. |
| 18:48:21 | amiconn | nls: For voice-over, just analog bypass mixing is enough. |
| 18:48:35 | jhMikeS | nls: preglow and I have plugins already that do it :) |
| 18:48:43 | lImbus | aha ? |
| 18:48:58 | nls | jhMikeS: nice, (not that I ever record but hey :-)) |
| 18:49:19 | lImbus | jhMikeS ? jetheadMikeSevakis ? |
| 18:49:22 | lImbus | nice nick imho |
| 18:49:32 | jhMikeS | yes :) |
| 18:49:54 | lImbus | so you got a plugin that does playback and recording at the same time ? |
| 18:49:57 | andrewg867 | I think I fixed the Rockbox Sansa sound volume |
| 18:50:20 | barrywardell_ | andrewg867: what did you have to do? |
| 18:50:29 | jhMikeS | lImbus: a couple |
| 18:50:30 | andrewg867 | I changed some init values |
| 18:50:44 | jhMikeS | really primitive stuff just for testing |
| 18:51:16 | lImbus | jhMikeS, one of them easy to change to do somehing Id like to do? |
| 18:51:32 | andrewg867 | I increased the DAC -> mixer level, turned off the speaker over current timeout, and disabled the Headphone Common Mode buffer |
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| 18:52:05 | andrewg867 | it doesn't cut out at maximum volume and is pretty loud at -9dB |
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| 18:52:10 | jhMikeS | lImbus: you could stop playback based on overal audio level, sure |
| 18:52:21 | lImbus | ? |
| 18:52:28 | _Amblin | andrew: It isnt as loud as before, but it doesnt cut out anymore.. |
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| 18:52:54 | jhMikeS | lImbus: I think you wanted to monitor line in and pause playback |
| 18:53:01 | lImbus | I want rockbox to play musik unless the tomtom navigator is playing an instruction. |
| 18:53:04 | andrewg867 | _Amblin: it's a lot louder than before |
| 18:53:12 | lImbus | after tomtom is done, rockbox resumes |
| 18:53:25 | _Amblin | andrew:Oh? My ears must be going bad... |
| 18:53:26 | jhMikeS | right, that's about how it would be done I think. basically triggering |
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| 18:53:55 | lImbus | but why overal audio level |
| 18:54:10 | lImbus | I dont want to get the pause triggered by a loud passage in the mp3-file |
| 18:54:11 | jhMikeS | Short term level really |
| 18:54:38 | barrywardell_ | andrewg867: great. I gotta go now, but post a patch to flyspray and I'll have a look tomorrow |
| 18:54:45 | lImbus | ok, if you say its possible on h300, ill try it out. |
| 18:54:57 | jhMikeS | yes, all coldfire |
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| 18:55:16 | _Amblin | Ah... |
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| 18:55:42 | lImbus | my h300 has a bad battery anyway, and the new bootloader will allow me to have it in my car with good old car adapter mode |
| 18:56:10 | jhMikeS | Though I haven't actually debugged independently stopping and starting playback and recording yet....just making it do both at once. |
| 18:56:12 | _Amblin | Does anyone know if the e200 will charge through USB in Rockbox? |
| 18:56:14 | lImbus | any example plugin where I could start tryouts ? |
| 18:56:38 | jhMikeS | can dig one up and pastebin it |
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| 18:56:59 | lImbus | nice, tnx |
| 18:57:04 | lImbus | or mail, if you want |
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| 18:58:43 | andrewg867 | _Amblin: when your talking about the volume are you just using the svn Rockbox? |
| 18:59:17 | _Amblin | andrew: I loaded yesterday's latest build, and thought your fix had already been applied. |
| 18:59:27 | jhMikeS | http://www.pastebin.ca/400412 |
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| 19:00:02 | andrewg867 | _Amblin: I didn't publish any changes yet |
| 19:02:37 | andrewg867 | I was just playing around with changes to different values on the AS3514 |
| 19:02:51 | linuxstb | TheSphinX^afk: Have you enabled the Limit FPS and Skip Frames options, and what FPS is your video encoded at? |
| 19:03:37 | lImbus | jhMikeS, thanks got it. Now I only have to find out what it's supposed to do :) |
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| 19:07:53 | andrewg867 | could someone add me into the TWiki Users Group, my username is AndrewGreen, thanks :) |
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| 19:08:43 | TheSphinX^ | Limit FPS: Yes |
| 19:08:43 | TheSphinX^ | Skip Frames: No |
| 19:08:43 | TheSphinX^ | testet with http://mikachu.rockbox.org/elephantsdream-q6-160x128-287kbps.mpg |
| 19:08:47 | TheSphinX^ | linuxstb: |
| 19:08:52 | jhMikeS | lImbus: it's just does a ringmod effect. It's absurdly low latency for testing purposes. You won't need that for what you're doing and can follow a more pcm_record style. |
| 19:09:43 | lImbus | I figured out it does some modulation, although I don't know ringmod. |
| 19:10:22 | linuxstb | TheSphinX^: mpegplayer can only decode that file at 18fps on the X5 according to the PluginMpegplayer wiki page - so there is no way it can be played in sync. Enabling Skip Frames may possibly help though. |
| 19:10:39 | jhMikeS | ringmod = amplitude modulation |
| 19:10:54 | lImbus | so kind of distorsion ? |
| 19:12:18 | jhMikeS | no...distortion is more saturation |
| 19:12:33 | jhMikeS | It multiplies the audio signal by a sine wave |
| 19:12:50 | lImbus | ok, so it sounds like a wah-wah |
| 19:13:17 | jhMikeS | that's another thing entirely. this sound more like a robot sound or something if you talk into it |
| 19:13:49 | lImbus | okay |
| 19:13:57 | lImbus | gotta try it out first then :) |
| 19:14:40 | jhMikeS | pcm_apply_settings should have the parameter removed...it's (void) now |
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| 19:17:44 | lImbus | okay |
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| 19:17:58 | Moos | andrewg867: done |
| 19:18:07 | lImbus | I just noticed I've got no valid sdk at the moment... |
| 19:18:33 | jhMikeS | lImbus: I think that API should be stable now though |
| 19:18:40 | XavierGr | scorche: the best topic I remember was: Rockbox! Coolest firmware around. |
| 19:18:58 | TheSphinX^ | linuxstb: limit: on | skip: on -> sync, but sometimes skips extremly; limit off | skip on -> video before audio (some ms) // vote for! |
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| 19:23:35 | Nico_P | I still need someone to help me test my WPS code... |
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| 19:24:09 | Nico_P | someone with a target that has frequency scaling |
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| 19:25:07 | andrewg867 | Moos: you comitted the changes? |
| 19:25:31 | andrewg867 | *committed |
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| 19:25:44 | Moos | uh?? you are in the list now, yeah |
| 19:26:25 | andrewg867 | oh, haha thanks |
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| 19:26:31 | Moos | np |
| 19:26:33 | andrewg867 | I was confused for a sec |
| 19:26:54 | Moos | yeah not notified cause minor change but you are in ;) |
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| 19:29:43 | * | TheSphinX^ linuxstb testet again with #FS5995 ,too ; limit on | skip on -> sync (23.9fps); limit off | skip on -> sync(up to 24.1fps) |
| 19:32:33 | amiconn | Bagder: r u there? |
| 19:33:07 | amiconn | nvm, found the info I was looking for |
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| 19:40:09 | * | TheSphinX^ linuxstb i hope you see that i postet 2 times before |
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| 19:58:38 | Moos | like the artist? ;) |
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| 20:06:01 | linuxstb | TheSphinX^: Are you still testing with the Elephants Dream video that decodes at 18fps? |
| 20:06:45 | TheSphinX^ | yes |
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| 20:07:45 | linuxstb | That's not really a realistic test - you need to be using files that the X5 can decode in realtime. |
| 20:07:54 | acathla | 'soir |
| 20:08:11 | TheSphinX^ | ok, i reencode it |
| 20:08:41 | linuxstb | Or try the 16:9 version - the wiki page says that decodes at 25fps, which is faster than the file's 24fps framerate. |
| 20:09:07 | TheSphinX^ | ok |
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| 20:45:23 | stripwax | hey all, quick question. other than 'because it hasn't been done yet', is there a reason why sim targets (e.g. ipod video sim) don't have rtc support? |
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| 20:49:44 | Bawitdaba | is ipod 5.5 80gb supported now? |
| 20:51:43 | TheSphinX^ | linuxstb tried with the 16:9 version, limit on, skip off -> perfectly sync |
| 20:52:11 | petur | Bawitdaba: not yet I think |
| 20:52:33 | Bawitdaba | ah dam |
| 20:52:37 | Bawitdaba | i just ordered one |
| 20:52:43 | stripwax | Bawitdaba - not quite yet. Here's the thread. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7738.0 |
| 20:52:49 | Bawitdaba | guess ill have to ruff out the itunes junk for a bit |
| 20:53:11 | Bawitdaba | yeah i saw that |
| 20:53:18 | Bawitdaba | but it was from feb 10th or something |
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| 20:54:06 | Bawitdaba | with rockbox when u plug usb into ipod it just comes up as a drive letter right and u can drag/drop mp3s to it? |
| 20:54:16 | Llorean | Bawitdaba: Yes, and nothing new has been said because the overall situation hasn't changed. It's still being worked on, and it's still not done. |
| 20:54:17 | Bawitdaba | mass storage device |
| 20:54:21 | stripwax | Bawitdaba - yes |
| 20:54:25 | Bawitdaba | sweet |
| 20:54:43 | Bawitdaba | sall good long as they are doing it |
| 20:54:54 | Bawitdaba | rockbox ftw |
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| 21:14:55 | linuxstb | TheSphinX^: Thanks. Now I just need to try and work out why I'm breaking audio on the ipods.. |
| 21:16:03 | * | TheSphinX^ linuxstb, im happy with your patch at my build and hope, that it will be possible for all players |
| 21:16:15 | linuxstb | stripwax: The sims look like that have rtc support - at least the rtc_read_datetime() function is implemented (uisimulator/common/stubs.c) |
| 21:17:36 | linuxstb | stripwax: Although for some reason, it looks like it's disabled in the sim for the ipodvideo (but not other targets). You could try just changing config-ipodvideo.h and see if it works. |
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| 21:37:04 | bluebrother | hmm. Can the wiki show side-by-side diffs? Might be useful for tables. |
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| 21:38:07 | stripwax | linuxstb - trying that now. I think it failed to build with that change but I'll poke about anyway |
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| 21:45:05 | linuxstb | stripwax: It looks like it works if you enable CONFIG_RTC for the sim, but HAVE_RTC_ALARM needs to be moved to the end of the config file - in the #ifndef SIMULATOR section. |
| 21:50:34 | stripwax | linuxstb - ah, right. can that change be made in svn |
| 21:51:35 | linuxstb | Yes, I'm just about to do it. |
| 21:51:44 | linuxstb | It applies to all ipods. |
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| 21:53:05 | stripwax | linuxstb - fab, thanks! |
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| 21:54:58 | linuxstb | stripwax: Committed. Fingers crossed for a green build table... |
| 21:55:50 | * | linuxstb should have compiled a bootloader build.... |
| 21:59:46 | linuxstb | preglow: Around? |
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| 22:00:40 | Moos | linuxstb: sure you canot beat the yesterday amconn's score :) |
| 22:00:44 | Marty_Suse_ | hi |
| 22:02:17 | linuxstb | Moos: No, but I'll get two warnings for every ipod bootloader... Fixing now. |
| 22:02:30 | Moos | :-) |
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| 22:48:18 | Soap | /clear |
| 22:56:16 | amiconn | /falied ;) |
| 22:56:35 | Juice^ | /failed ;] |
| 22:56:56 | Juice^ | or make that a /spell :D |
| 22:57:17 | Juice^ | funny things going on here.. a bit quiet |
| 22:57:33 | Juice^ | nice to see that people are coming up with wps's for the sansa |
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| 22:58:14 | petur | lol |
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| 23:06:07 | Juice^ | whats the giggle all about |
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| 23:12:12 | ootput | hi guys, did any of you guys get itrip (dock connector) to work with rockbox & ipod? |
| 23:14:47 | Juice^ | Someone should remap the keys for the image viewer, the scroll on sansa is so unstable with the rockbox code, it cannot ever be the keys that is next and previous, it easily scrolls by a few pics a time, and sometimes that will take ages for the actual photo to load because its preloading others will its scrolling .. maby the scroll could be the zoom or something |
| 23:15:03 | Juice^ | I could proably remap it myself, but my cygwin is not being friendly |
| 23:16:11 | Soap | instead of remapping keys to work around the problem, scroll instability should be addressed, eh? |
| 23:16:25 | Llorean | I was about to say, wouldn't the proper solution be "Make scrolling work right"? |
| 23:16:52 | Juice^ | indeed... if someone could do that, it would be fantastic |
| 23:18:01 | linuxstb | How does scrolling work on the Sansa? I can't tell from a photo... |
| 23:18:45 | Llorean | linuxstb: It's a raised mechanical wheel, you just rotate it. The motions are basically identical to the iPod, except your thumb's moving a wheel instead of sliding on a pad. |
| 23:19:19 | linuxstb | So it physically rotates? |
| 23:19:25 | Llorean | Yes |
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| 23:31:11 | Alias777 | hey |
| 23:31:22 | Alias777 | any plans for the 30GB creative zen vision M? |
| 23:31:32 | Alias777 | ive been reading the thread, nothing concrete yet :( |
| 23:32:06 | Llorean | Alias777: If you've been reading the thread, you know how far they've come |
| 23:32:55 | Alias777 | which is exactly 0? |
| 23:33:03 | Alias777 | and the thread is locked so i can't help or anything.. |
| 23:33:46 | Llorean | The Creative Zen Vision: M thread is not locked |
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| 23:39:43 | pixelma | nls: maybe people confuse the swedish name of the month in your forum post about voice files with the name of the planet ;) |
| 23:41:42 | nls | pixelma: right, I will edit, was a bit hungover this morning :-) |
| 23:41:59 | pixelma | hehe :) |
| 23:43:22 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 23:43:46 | Topic | "gmail users who subscriber to rockbox mails: check your subscription status" by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 23:43:54 | Topic | "gmail users who subscribe to rockbox mails: check your subscription status" by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 23:44:22 | Alias777 | so |
| 23:44:23 | Llorean | Bagder: It's sent me emails twice telling me that it's gotten to many bounces from me and made me confirm my desire to stay subscribed. Do you know what's causing this? Is there something my end I need to look at? |
| 23:44:25 | Alias777 | guys |
| 23:44:28 | pearldiver | would be nice to get rid of Warning: Low Battery Shut Down message on gigabeat target when shutting down yourself with battery running low |
| 23:44:33 | Alias777 | what MP3 player would you recommend for me... |
| 23:44:33 | * | bluebrother got mails to reenable his list subscriptions |
| 23:44:42 | Bagder | Llorean: gmail seems to have gone crazy |
| 23:44:46 | Llorean | Ah |
| 23:44:49 | Bagder | it has bounced hundreds of mails |
| 23:44:52 | Alias777 | im thinking race between Create Zen Vision M and ipod 5th... |
| 23:44:59 | Bagder | saying they are over quota |
| 23:45:06 | Alias777 | ipod has rockbox, huge plus, but the faddishness of it disturbs me |
| 23:45:09 | nls | Bagder: how do i check? |
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| 23:45:17 | Alias777 | vision m looks good but no alternate firmware |
| 23:45:25 | Alias777 | what do you suggest? |
| 23:45:38 | linuxstb | Are you looking to buy an mp3 player? |
| 23:45:59 | Bagder | nls: check your latest mail received with the latest available in the archive perhaps |
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| 23:46:10 | bluebrother | nls, gmail shows the actual usage at the bottom (or are you referring to something else?) |
| 23:46:21 | aliask | Bagder: Is there any point resubscribing to the mailing lists? Or will I just be booted again? |
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| 23:46:26 | Bagder | I doubt these people actually are above 2GB |
| 23:46:37 | Bagder | aliask: I don't know! |
| 23:46:40 | Nico_P | Alias777: I suggest a gigabeat |
| 23:46:42 | * | bluebrother is even below 200MB |
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| 23:46:57 | aliask | I guess I'll just resubscribe and see what happens... |
| 23:47:03 | nls | Bagder, bluebrother: I get it, I was under the impression that i needed to check a box on some page somwhere? |
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| 23:47:05 | Llorean | Bagder: I was bounced a second time, about a day later. |
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| 23:47:32 | * | linuxstb would also recommend the gigabeat, at least in preference to an ipod |
| 23:47:43 | Bagder | nls: if you're still subscribed you can check your subscription status on cool.haxx.se |
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| 23:47:54 | Bagder | I mean to change options etc |
| 23:48:01 | Llorean | Bagder: gmail says I'm using 5% of my total space, so whatever "quota" it refers to probably isn't space unless there's a crazy math error. |
| 23:48:32 | Bagder | we got like a hundred bounces at once |
| 23:48:40 | nls | Bagder: page not found :-( |
| 23:48:56 | Bagder | we got another gsoc application |
| 23:49:26 | linuxstb | You mean another form to complete? |
| 23:49:29 | bluebrother | what exactly means "Please do not submit bug reports for very early Rockbox target ports!"? |
| 23:49:32 | nls | anyway I got the latest mails, but I'm only on the dev list and not on the regular |
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| 23:49:41 | Bagder | we got another student who submitted a project idea |
| 23:49:46 | bluebrother | "early" in the sense of "targets that just have been started working on"? |
| 23:49:54 | Nico_P | Bagder: how many do you have ? |
| 23:49:59 | nls | bluebrother: yes |
| 23:50:05 | Bagder | Nico_P: two so far |
| 23:50:06 | Nico_P | I'm still pondering wether I should apply |
| 23:50:12 | Llorean | bluebrother: It used to mean "Anything that's not in the 'Release' state, but now seems to mean 'Anything that doesn't yet have audio, or on any feature that is listed as incomplete such as mpegplayer' I think" |
| 23:50:21 | bluebrother | hmm. Why do people submit bugs for new ports like the sansa? |
| 23:50:28 | nls | like reporting that the sansa didn't have sound before it was implemented etc... |
| 23:50:49 | nls | because people do not read instructions? |
| 23:50:57 | bluebrother | I guess the two sansa bugs simply are missing adjustments ... |
| 23:51:04 | bluebrother | *sic* right. |
| 23:51:16 | aliask | Bagder: What projects have they elected to code? |
| 23:51:26 | Nico_P | Bagder: have the applicants come here ? |
| 23:51:35 | Bagder | one of them are desowin |
| 23:51:48 | Bagder | who's around here regularly |
| 23:52:35 | bluebrother | Bagder, could we add a link to the tracker guidelines at the top of the tracker page? |
| 23:52:50 | Bagder | yeah, we should |
| 23:53:58 | bluebrother | Llorean, closed two times ;-) |
| 23:54:22 | bluebrother | btw, any plans updating to the new version of FS? |
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| 23:56:45 | XavierGr | gah I can't imagine the WPS beeing a plugin, very weird idea.... |
| 23:57:16 | Bagder | the wps compiler would be, not the actual wps, as I read it |
| 23:57:24 | Llorean | XavierGr: The WPS wouldn't be a plugin, but the conversion from the current WPS code to a bytecode or some other simpler to use in-core form would be |
| 23:58:04 | XavierGr | then my response in the dev ml is quite off :( |
| 23:58:07 | Nico_P | with my code, it would mean moving the parser to a plugin |
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| 23:58:22 | XavierGr | but still... |
| 23:58:33 | Nico_P | could be done quite easily i think |
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