| 00:00:35 | amiconn | GPIO_C bit 1 tells you whether firewire is connected, and GPIO_C bit 2 whether firewire power is provided |
| 00:00:52 | amiconn | The same is true for G4 (color and greyscale) |
| 00:01:19 | amiconn | On G5 you can detect firewire power with GPIO_L bit 3 |
| 00:01:26 | amiconn | (for charging) |
| 00:03:10 | bluebrother | hmm, ipod 1G and 2G even have the LLC in hardware. Quite nice. |
| 00:03:27 | bluebrother | I might play around with it at some time ... |
| 00:04:12 | amiconn | Apple diskmode handles firewire just fine, so we can do our usual reboot magic the same way as for usb |
| 00:04:17 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 00:04:26 | bluebrother | sounds good :) |
| 00:04:38 | amiconn | I just didn't find the time to look into usb.c and add it there |
| 00:05:04 | bluebrother | time ... this damn limiting factor |
| 00:05:11 | amiconn | Sounds a bit odd to add it in usb.c ... but do we really want a separate firewire screen? |
| 00:05:30 | bluebrother | hehe ... add a separate firewire image ;-) |
| 00:05:31 | amiconn | (and separate detection logic etc) |
| 00:05:37 | DataGhost | connectivity.c? :P |
| 00:05:55 | amiconn | DataGhost: A bit too general, eh? |
| 00:05:57 | bluebrother | but no, as long as we reboot to apple disk mode anyway I don't think we need that. |
| 00:06:13 | amiconn | This would then also include (in the future) usbotg, bluetooth, wlan, ... |
| 00:06:14 | bluebrother | magiccableconnection.c :P |
| 00:06:37 | robin0800 | nico_p just tried your patch but it compiles with errors |
| 00:06:39 | bluebrother | magiccableandwirelessconnection.c even |
| 00:06:42 | amiconn | uglywhitecableconnection.c :P |
| 00:06:49 | bluebrother | LOL |
| 00:06:49 | DataGhost | hehe |
| 00:06:54 | DataGhost | and what if you put it in the dock? :P |
| 00:07:00 | Llorean | amiconn: Diskmode.c? |
| 00:07:04 | Nico_P | robin0800: errors ? are you sure they aren't warning ? |
| 00:07:09 | bluebrother | uglyplasticboxconnection.c ;-) |
| 00:07:21 | DataGhost | heh |
| 00:07:36 | DataGhost | I made one from wood and the 'dock converter' thingy that shipped with my 5.5G |
| 00:07:41 | DataGhost | and a spare cable |
| 00:07:49 | DataGhost | only my 4G fits in... 5.5G doesn't work :( |
| 00:08:37 | bluebrother | ok, so for your case we need some additional name ;-) |
| 00:08:44 | * | bluebrother just tries svn blame ... |
| 00:09:08 | robin0800 | this is what i get http://pastebin.ca/405807 |
| 00:10:19 | bluebrother | robin0800: that's not compiling, thats applying the patch |
| 00:10:26 | bluebrother | i.e. it doesn't apply cleanly |
| 00:10:30 | Llorean | Oh, I found something interesting on Gigabeat. Long press of power (but not very-long press) selects a file. Making quick paged browsing difficult, since, well, when you release the button you invoke whichever file you were on (not to mention combining the page browsing button with the power button may not be wise) |
| 00:11:36 | robin0800 | yes you are correct not sure if iwant to go any further with it |
| 00:11:40 | pixelma | robin0800: I didn't have any problems patching the latest version after an svn up about... 1,5 hours ago |
| 00:12:37 | bluebrother | robin0800: no, compiling will fail as the patch didn't apply completely. |
| 00:12:50 | bluebrother | check if you have the latest version of the patch and current svn |
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| 00:13:01 | robin0800 | I have got a couple of patches installed |
| 00:13:26 | nls | jhMikeS: red... |
| 00:13:35 | Llorean | You can't really effectively test a single patch, if you're going to put multiple patches on your build |
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| 00:13:44 | Llorean | It's somewhat impossible to say at that point what's causing bad behaviour |
| 00:14:13 | robin0800 | blue brother I have both current |
| 00:14:36 | Llorean | robin0800: Try it with only the tokenizer patch. Album Art seems very likely to conflict... |
| 00:15:01 | Nico_P | robin0800: Llorean's right... this patch is incompatible with any other patch that affects the WPS |
| 00:15:09 | robin0800 | perhaps it dosn't like the album art patch |
| 00:15:19 | Nico_P | robin0800: you should test it alone |
| 00:16:02 | Llorean | robin0800: If you're actually trying to be helpful and 'test' a patch, you should always, always apply it on its own. |
| 00:16:54 | robin0800 | but I like my album art and don't realy want to be parted from it |
| 00:17:12 | bluebrother | you can have multiple rockbox.something files on your player ... |
| 00:17:39 | Llorean | Besides, you're *testing* it |
| 00:17:44 | bluebrother | and as long as you don't change something about codecs you should be safe having two builds sharing the same shared data |
| 00:17:53 | bluebrother | like codecs and stuff |
| 00:18:04 | bluebrother | as long as you use matching svn revision numbers. |
| 00:18:24 | bluebrother | "testing" means you try to create a single change and check how it behaves. |
| 00:18:47 | bluebrother | who needs album art anyway? :P |
| 00:19:18 | Llorean | Basically, if you're unwilling to follow a 'proper' style of testing, you could always just not apply the tokenizer patch. |
| 00:20:00 | robin0800 | Can you have two .rockbox folders on one player? |
| 00:20:10 | bluebrother | no. Two firmware files |
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| 00:20:20 | bluebrother | that file rockbox.ipod |
| 00:20:27 | bluebrother | or rockbox.iriver etc. |
| 00:20:39 | bluebrother | you can put in a second one. Just keep the extension |
| 00:20:44 | jhMikeS | nls: indeed...fixing now |
| 00:21:01 | bluebrother | of course Rockbox will always load rockbox.ipod −− the other one you'll need to rolo |
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| 00:21:25 | bluebrother | but it's great for testing ... and I believe it's one of the main purposes of rolo |
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| 00:22:25 | robin0800 | I see wwhat you mean might try that at the weekend when iI have more time |
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| 00:24:28 | robin0800 | Are there instructions for using rolo |
| 00:24:40 | bluebrother | no |
| 00:24:42 | | Part norbusan |
| 00:24:44 | bluebrother | just "play" that file |
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| 00:25:37 | QwertMan | Hey, I've got two questions: When do you think there will be a stable release for the Sansa e200, and will future released of Rockbox for the Sansa e200 be less plain, or at least provide the ability to skin th UI? |
| 00:25:49 | robin0800 | but it will have to be rockbox.ipod at that point? |
| 00:25:50 | bluebrother | of course you need to use the file browser to locate the file and set "file types" to "supported" at least |
| 00:26:05 | bluebrother | no, it just needs to have the extension to get recognized |
| 00:26:23 | bluebrother | it's like an audio file: only the extension matters to recognize e.g. an mp3 file |
| 00:26:42 | bluebrother | QwertMan: we don't extimate release dates |
| 00:26:51 | robin0800 | so I could use rockbox.txt? |
| 00:27:07 | bluebrother | robin0800: nooo. You need to keep the *extension* |
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| 00:27:42 | robin0800 | can I change the name? |
| 00:27:43 | bluebrother | oh, QwertMan left quickly ... |
| 00:28:09 | bluebrother | 00:20 < bluebrother> you can put in a second one. Just keep the extension |
| 00:28:54 | robin0800 | rockbox_2.ipod would work? |
| 00:29:02 | bluebrother | yes. *sic* |
| 00:29:45 | robin0800 | Well I will Try It Then many thanks |
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| 00:30:29 | Nico_P | robin0800: you can also build a tokenizer version, test it, then put back your albumart version |
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| 00:31:29 | robin0800 | I don't think I could Do That at this Stage |
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| 00:32:45 | bluebrother | patch -R is your friend |
| 00:34:10 | robin0800 | no its not because whats left won't compile |
| 00:36:04 | bluebrother | then use svn revert |
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| 00:36:28 | bluebrother | if that what's left won't compile you messed it up by applying incompatible patches ... |
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| 00:38:20 | robin0800 | Yes I Know been there done that but thats going to have to wait Till Tomorow its getting late here |
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| 00:40:28 | bluebrother | it's already late here ... |
| 00:41:02 | pixelma | bluebrother: I can confirm the "Nothing to Resume" hang... happens on Ondio too when the playlist finishes. Additionally when using the short cut from main menu to WPS and then want to stop, it stops and immediately bounces back to wps as in resume |
| 00:41:24 | pixelma | ...I thought I read about a fix of the latter but can't find it now |
| 00:42:39 | bluebrother | JdGordon committed a "fix" some hours ago but that didn't fix it |
| 00:43:21 | bluebrother | I'm currently looking into root_menu.c ... still haven't found a reason why struct root_items uses a void* as parameter for the function call |
| 00:44:24 | pixelma | hmm...ok - it also happens with the tokenizer version that was patched with fairly recent SVN (and the tokenizer shouldn't affect this) |
| 00:46:37 | pixelma | though I only experience the "bouncing" now - at the end of the playlist it seems to be alright now) |
| 00:48:27 | bluebrother | are you using your ondio? Maybe it's different for HWCODEC |
| 00:50:06 | pixelma | yes that's on Ondio - could try the M5 but would have to grab a new version first |
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| 00:54:53 | bluebrother | grrr. I need to do something about this keypad keys |
| 00:55:07 | BigMac | anyone have a mistic river login here? |
| 00:55:19 | bluebrother | login like user? |
| 00:55:30 | BigMac | yah or an admin |
| 00:55:47 | BigMac | I have posted like 6 ish times on the forum |
| 00:55:56 | BigMac | yet my post count is still 1 |
| 00:55:59 | BigMac | why? |
| 00:56:25 | bluebrother | don't know |
| 00:56:57 | BigMac | well would you be able to tell me if anyone is selling a gigabeat? |
| 00:57:20 | midgey | i think i remember an old policy where posts in certain forums (namely the rockbox section) dont count toward the post total |
| 00:58:52 | pixelma | bluebrother: aha...interesting - on M5 I get both problems too with recent svn (grabbed from the site) |
| 00:59:02 | bluebrother | ok. The problem is caused by gui_wps_show returning GO_TO_PREVIOUS |
| 00:59:34 | bluebrother | I changed apps/gui/gwps.c:646 to GO_TO_PREVIOUS_BROWSER and the problem is gone |
| 00:59:50 | bluebrother | the only drawback is that it doesn't go back to the main menu if that was the last selected |
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| 01:00:41 | bluebrother | aaah ... |
| 01:00:57 | bluebrother | let me try something |
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| 01:03:59 | pixelma | on Ondio it's really not there - but I guess it doesn't have to do with hw- vs. swcodec but probably with the fact that I don't enter the main menu directly (have to either go via file browser or via wps context menu) |
| 01:04:20 | bluebrother | ah. Sounds reasonable |
| 01:04:40 | bluebrother | too bad ondios are that much expensive on ebay here −− watched an auction recently :( |
| 01:05:03 | pixelma | but the "bouncing" back is there too |
| 01:05:32 | pixelma | bluebrother: there was an OndioSP that went for 8,01EUR in ebay.de ... |
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| 01:06:18 | bluebrother | there was a cheap one but it was no shipping and in munich :( |
| 01:06:33 | pixelma | the more expensive one was XavierGr... (that was an FM with an additional 1GB MMC) |
| 01:07:54 | Moos | hey bluebrother: you fixed the nasty bug? |
| 01:08:05 | bluebrother | not really ... found a workaround |
| 01:08:24 | Moos | hehe, in waiting JdGordon :) |
| 01:08:24 | bluebrother | these heaps of macros are driving me nuts |
| 01:09:17 | Moos | JdGordon is probably the one that can fix this the more easylt |
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| 01:16:57 | * | Llorean wishes people would just accept that iPod runtime is poor, and will likely be that way for a while |
| 01:17:14 | bluebrother | I don't think bounties are a bad idea |
| 01:17:26 | Llorean | I think that one is. |
| 01:17:37 | bluebrother | IIRC Cassandra even mentioned it in this "how to get a feature into rockbox" post |
| 01:17:58 | midgey | petition? |
| 01:17:59 | bluebrother | I don't think it will change much |
| 01:18:16 | Llorean | I have no problem with bounties, I just don't think that request is one that's a bounty is going to have any noticeable effect on. |
| 01:18:19 | XavierGr | wow bounty for battery solution for ipods on dev ml! |
| 01:18:39 | Llorean | Usually a bounty is to get someone to work on something unpopular. I think we can all agree that the poor battery life is one of the two biggest things keeping the portalplayer targets from being "good" |
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| 01:19:01 | safetydan | Wasn't there some guy trying to contact nVidia about getting datasheets for the pp chips? |
| 01:19:05 | safetydan | That might be more productive. |
| 01:19:12 | XavierGr | well it seems like a bounty for me, even if the problem is popular |
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| 01:20:11 | Llorean | I mean, we have 7 or 8 targets that would benefit from this (depending on how you divide them up). |
| 01:20:27 | Llorean | It's not like it a bad thing, it's just kinda annoying in my opinion, because it sounds like he thinks there's not interest in it. |
| 01:21:27 | bluebrother | maybe, but he might also just put out a reward because it bothers him too much |
| 01:21:56 | Shaid | I still have my old 4th gen ipod that I'm willing to sacrifice to someone who's up for doing nasty hardware dissasemblies on it |
| 01:22:17 | Shaid | you could crack the chip open in a safe room and trace the internal workings for all I care :D |
| 01:22:46 | bluebrother | sounds like fun. Too bad I need to build up hardware to finish my diploma thesis ;-) |
| 01:23:40 | Llorean | I dunno, maybe I'm just frustrated because he doesn't seem to have any interest in what the problem actually is, he's just saying "Here's some money, I hope that makes it get done" |
| 01:25:34 | bluebrother | yeah, the differences are fluently. Makes it difficult to distinguish how he means it |
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| 01:42:58 | * | pixelma just points JdGordon to yesterday's log at around 22:00 - and today's log from about 0:40 on |
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| 01:43:42 | JdGordon | ill check it later... whats it regarding/> |
| 01:43:51 | * | safetydan notes that the forum sucks because it takes longer than a minute to get an answer |
| 01:43:58 | safetydan | Who knew things had fallen so low. |
| 01:44:01 | Llorean | safetydan: Indeed. |
| 01:44:31 | Llorean | I actually saw his post within about 45 seconds of him posting it, but didn't know an answer, so I didn't answer. Clearly saying "Uh, that's weird" would've satisfied him since response time seems to rate highest to him. |
| 01:44:44 | pixelma | JdGordon: that's still the bug bluebrother reported - it's not fixed |
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| 01:45:10 | pixelma | I could confirm it on M5 and partly on Ondio too |
| 01:45:23 | JdGordon | bugger ok |
| 01:45:59 | * | JdGordon slept through my first lecture today, and have to leave for uni in 45 min or ill miss my next one :p |
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| 01:54:47 | m_ | does anyone know what progress there is on the 80Gb ipod? All I could find in forums was " |
| 01:54:51 | m_ | Llorean |
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| 01:55:11 | m_ | Please read the FAQs and the posts in my signature |
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| 01:55:11 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK m_ |
| 01:55:11 | m_ | Re: ipod 5.5g (80GB) |
| 01:55:11 | m_ | « Reply #83 on: February 02, 2007, 05:15:57 AM » |
| 01:55:12 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 01:55:12 | m_ | The problem has been identified. It may be some time before a working version is in SVN, but for now, further discussion isn't needed, and if it becomes so, those who'll need it can reopen this thread or post in it while locked. |
| 01:55:51 | Llorean | m_: Firstly, don't paste multi-line things in the IRC channel |
| 01:56:16 | Llorean | Secondly, what were you looking for? "It's not done yet" is the current status. |
| 01:57:04 | lokasenna | I can't get rockbox to load the original firmware using the |<< technique, I've installed the .rockbox folder into the root directory, placed the boot loader in the root directory, and placed the decrypted mi4 into the system folder, but when I try the |<< it just hangs there |
| 01:57:21 | m_ | sorry about the multiline. |
| 01:57:46 | linuxstb | m_: No progress has been reported because there has been no progress. |
| 01:58:03 | lokasenna | I used the 1.02.15a.mi4 for the OF.bin, is that the correct mi4 file to use? |
| 01:58:54 | m_ | Ok, thats just what I was wondering since the last post was on Feb. 2nd. |
| 01:59:15 | Llorean | m_: Seriously, the very next step is "It's done". Do you think we're not going to announce when it's done? |
| 01:59:58 | linuxstb | Llorean: Maybe an update in that thread could be useful though - simply saying that nothing has changed in the last 7 weeks. |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:18 | Llorean | linuxstb: I've updated the thread. |
| 02:00:37 | Llorean | linuxstb: It now says "If the status changes from 'It's being worked on, have patience' we'll post it here." |
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| 02:01:25 | m_ | ok, no problem. thanks for the clarificaiton. just wasn't sure if that thread had been abandoned or moved and I didn't notice. |
| 02:01:50 | bagawk | m_: I think ipodlinux now works though |
| 02:02:17 | lokasenna | Uhm, help please? |
| 02:02:39 | m_ | really? i'll check into that. thanks |
| 02:03:17 | Llorean | lokasenna: Where exactly does it hang? What does the screen say? |
| 02:03:34 | lokasenna | It says loading OF.bin |
| 02:04:08 | lokasenna | Not verbatim, I'm charing the sansa right now |
| 02:04:19 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 02:04:35 | lokasenna | charging*, oops, forgot to mention it was the e200 sansa series |
| 02:05:13 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 02:06:34 | Llorean | It should work with any of the firmware versions there, assuming you pick one from the right region. |
| 02:06:38 | Llorean | Yours is an american Sansa, right? |
| 02:06:47 | lokasenna | Yes |
| 02:07:21 | lokasenna | I'll try reuploading everything onto it |
| 02:07:29 | Llorean | Dunno then, it always worked fine for me, though I don't remember which original firmware I decrypted. |
| 02:11:47 | Soap | Someone please remind me to be plain, descriptive, explicit, and verbose when answering questions in the forums. "Are you using a stock build?" doesn't work. I need to remember to say "Are you using an official build downloaded from <link> and not one of the unsupported builds from the Unsupported Builds forum." |
| 02:12:41 | Llorean | Soap: I saw that one when you first used the word "Stock", I was hoping they wouldn't let me down by understanding it, and they didn't. :) |
| 02:13:35 | Soap | It was my bad. It is just a "verbal" example of the assumptions I make in my mind. |
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| 02:19:23 | lokasenna | How long does it take for the original firmwawre to load anyways? |
| 02:22:58 | Llorean | Less time than turning on the Sansa without Rockbox normally takes |
| 02:23:35 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 02:23:35 | * | lokasenna slaps his Sansa silly |
| 02:24:15 | lokasenna | Does Rockbox support the USB charging? |
| 02:24:56 | lokasenna | It has the option menu but does it work right now? |
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| 02:55:56 | BigMac | can the ipod be switched to mono in apple firmware? |
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| 03:04:49 | Soap | no idea |
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| 03:22:38 | safetydan | new record? |
| 03:25:17 | Llorean | Not quite. |
| 03:25:23 | Llorean | But close. |
| 03:26:15 | Llorean | Today is apparently a very impatient day, that and the forums. |
| 03:26:28 | Llorean | And Febs beat me to my planned response to the forum one. |
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| 03:35:29 | eatnumber1 | what is the feasibility of making use of the ipod's second processor? |
| 03:35:57 | Llorean | I'd say it's pretty much a guarantee, since we're already doing it. |
| 03:36:00 | midgey | we're already using it |
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| 04:01:49 | realwoodensoul | H140. Has anyone experience a nasty bug regarding the hard drive infinitely spinning on the latest builds? |
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| 04:03:12 | eatnumber1 | any devs here, or someone familiar with the rockbox codebase? |
| 04:03:14 | woodensoul | H140. Has anyone experience a nasty bug regarding the hard drive infinitely spinning on the latest builds with dircache enabled? |
| 04:03:26 | midgey | we heard you the first time |
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| 04:08:27 | Llorean | woodensoul: I think you can assume from the fact that nobody said "Yes" that you're the only person who's experienced this so far. |
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| 04:09:31 | Llorean | eatnumber1: We told you already that the second core is being used, why did you post about it in the forums? |
| 04:11:06 | eatnumber1 | Llorean, I had a dropped connection for a minute or so... guess you responded then because I never got a response |
| 04:13:02 | eatnumber1 | Llorean, so the second processor is already being used? What is it being used for? Also, what clock speed is it being run at... same as the other? Lastly, do you know that the docs still say that the second is not being used |
| 04:13:43 | Llorean | eatnumber1: Yes it's being used, for the codec thread, and it's run at the same clock as the primary processor. There's still some issues keeping it from being effective in the manner we expect it should be though. |
| 04:13:48 | Llorean | Which docs specifically are you referring to? |
| 04:14:00 | * | eatnumber1 looks |
| 04:14:29 | eatnumber1 | the wiki |
| 04:14:32 | eatnumber1 | want links? |
| 04:14:43 | Llorean | That's why I said "specifically" |
| 04:14:47 | eatnumber1 | ah |
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| 04:14:52 | Llorean | Either fix them for us, or provide me with links so I can go fix them. |
| 04:14:56 | Llorean | The wiki is a very large place |
| 04:15:05 | realwoodensoul | Sorry, but the lag was really bad. |
| 04:16:05 | eatnumber1 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DynamicCPUFrequency I think there is another, but I can't find it at the moment |
| 04:16:59 | Drumr | is a rockbox.ipod file required for the 5g? |
| 04:17:04 | Llorean | eatnumber1: Ack, I've not seen that page before, but it's incorrect about an awful lot of stuff. |
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| 04:17:09 | Llorean | Drumr: Yes. Why do you ask? |
| 04:17:32 | Drumr | i DLed the current build and it was absent |
| 04:17:45 | Llorean | Drumr: Are you 100% sure it's absent, and not just somewhere different? |
| 04:17:45 | JdGordon | Llorean: have you got a microSD card? |
| 04:17:46 | safetydan | Drumr, the file has moved inside the .rockbox directory |
| 04:17:49 | Drumr | ah |
| 04:17:55 | Llorean | JdGordon: Yes, in fact I have a couple. :) |
| 04:17:56 | Drumr | :-) that would explain it |
| 04:18:19 | Drumr | i havet used rockbox for a while on my 5g... i decided to reformat and convert fully to file tree + rockbox :-D |
| 04:18:43 | JdGordon | Llorean: wanna try a very quick experiment to see if reading that card is a simple fix? |
| 04:18:45 | Drumr | i see it now in the .rockbox directory |
| 04:18:48 | Llorean | JdGordon: Sure thing |
| 04:19:20 | JdGordon | ok, gimme a few min, ill whip something up |
| 04:19:24 | eatnumber1 | Llorean, ok, so one more question that I can possibly help with: I have a wall adapter to charge my ipod. But since it is not usb, the rockbox does not detect that it is plugged in, and so shuts off after the timeout period. Since it is plugged in however, it immediatley starts up. I have been thinking of just adding an option to disable the timeout period in the software, but it would be good to have a better solution |
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| 04:20:59 | Shaid | doesn't it boot into the usb charging mode on detection of a firewire charger? |
| 04:21:00 | Llorean | eatnumber1: Rockbox can detect wall chargers, and does so (that's why it doesn't go into USB mode), but when it detects the wall-charger, it doesn't actually go into charging mode. I'm not sure where this is, but basically, the battery charges, but rockbox doesn't think "Hey, I'm charging", so all that needs to be fixed is to link those two things, I think. |
| 04:21:28 | Llorean | Shaid: There is no "USB charging mode" to boot into... |
| 04:21:54 | Shaid | eh, I guess not |
| 04:21:57 | eatnumber1 | Llorean, wouldn't a charging mode just involve disabling the poweroff_timeout? |
| 04:21:58 | Shaid | I don't know what I'm thinking of. |
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| 04:23:21 | Llorean | eatnumber1: No, it also causes Rockbox to behave differently depending on what you've got your LCD settings set at, and a few other things. |
| 04:23:52 | Llorean | eatnumber1: Rockbox has a state for when the charger's connected, it's just that currently USB chargers don't activate it, I'm not wholly sure why. |
| 04:24:18 | eatnumber1 | Llorean, do you know where the code is for this mode (or better yet, code that activates it)? |
| 04:24:48 | Llorean | No clue. |
| 04:25:01 | * | eatnumber1 starts grepping code |
| 04:25:17 | Llorean | For all I know it's a 15 second fix. |
| 04:25:32 | eatnumber1 | Llorean, indeed, just gotta know where it is |
| 04:25:46 | JdGordon | Llorean: which e200 have you got? |
| 04:25:52 | JdGordon | please say 250 :p |
| 04:26:00 | Llorean | JdGordon: 270 |
| 04:26:21 | JdGordon | 4gb model? |
| 04:26:26 | Llorean | 6 |
| 04:26:32 | JdGordon | bah, ok |
| 04:26:42 | Llorean | Hey, it helped find a bug in Sansapatcher. :) |
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| 04:27:48 | JdGordon | trying to do this in such a way that there is little likleyhood of needing recovery mode :p |
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| 04:28:15 | Drumr | does anyone here have an opinion on which unofficial build i should go with for the 5g ipod? |
| 04:28:19 | Llorean | JdGordon: Then the best plan would be read-only for the time being, wouldn't it? :-P |
| 04:28:25 | Drumr | i have a 60gb fyi... |
| 04:28:34 | eatnumber1 | Does anyone know any specs on the battery is in the iPod nano? |
| 04:28:38 | Llorean | Drumr: The general opinion here is "Go with the official build" |
| 04:29:07 | Drumr | :-) |
| 04:29:09 | Drumr | fair enough |
| 04:29:29 | JdGordon | Llorean: of course... but what im guessing is that to access the mSD card we just need to select the correct bank.. |
| 04:29:38 | Drumr | but official == album art, scrolling margins, etc |
| 04:29:57 | JdGordon | i dont know how happy it would be fiddling with removng the 2nd bank.. thats where your hd is.. |
| 04:30:00 | JdGordon | hp is |
| 04:31:11 | Drumr | ok, another question (i appologize for being newbish)... |
| 04:31:28 | Drumr | how do i determine bootloader version and whats the earliest COP compat loader? |
| 04:31:40 | Llorean | Drumr: The bootloader displays a version number while you boot. |
| 04:32:02 | Llorean | If your bootloader doesn't display anything but the Apple logo until Rockbox starts, it's new enough. If your bootloader is white text on a black background, it's new enough. |
| 04:32:35 | Drumr | hmm, i use the IPL graphical loader so that changes things i guess |
| 04:32:50 | Drumr | i could probably just nab a new loader.bin |
| 04:33:01 | Llorean | If you weren't asking about the Rockbox bootloader, why'd you ask here? |
| 04:33:43 | Drumr | hmm, well, i figured the only difference was the graphical aspect of firmware selection, i wasnt aware the differences went deeper |
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| 04:42:56 | Drumr | wow |
| 04:43:43 | Drumr | sorry... i was using the ipl loader solution to bypass having to spend 30 min in cmd.exe, but i didnt realize there was a RB developed solution :-D |
| 04:44:02 | JdGordon | Llorean: ok, I got some test code which will very easily show how wrong I am :p |
| 04:44:08 | Llorean | JdGordon: Okay |
| 04:44:36 | JdGordon | make sure it starts rockbox in verbose mode |
| 04:44:49 | Llorean | Is that a bootloader? |
| 04:44:52 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 04:45:03 | JdGordon | all the test code is well after the OF check... |
| 04:45:20 | JdGordon | anyway, if im right it should hang after saying Trying bank 2 |
| 04:45:31 | JdGordon | no, it should hang after trying bank 3 even |
| 04:47:11 | Llorean | Without a card in, all 4 banks show the same capacity |
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| 04:47:36 | JdGordon | 4 banks? |
| 04:47:40 | Llorean | 5 |
| 04:47:41 | Llorean | 0-4 |
| 04:47:42 | Llorean | Sorry |
| 04:47:56 | JdGordon | what capacity? |
| 04:47:59 | JdGordon | 2gb? |
| 04:48:23 | Llorean | 1,695,744 |
| 04:49:03 | Llorean | And no hang, with or without a card. |
| 04:49:11 | Llorean | Just banks 0 through 4 reporting that capacity |
| 04:49:27 | JdGordon | damn.. that wasnt expected :p |
| 04:49:46 | JdGordon | how big is the mSD card? |
| 04:49:50 | Llorean | 512mb |
| 04:49:58 | Drumr | hmm sorry to be a pest |
| 04:50:07 | Drumr | but i spotted an error in the manual |
| 04:50:11 | Llorean | It shows the same thing for all 5 banks whether the card's in or not, though, so it's not getting to the card. |
| 04:50:26 | Drumr | nvm |
| 04:50:31 | Drumr | :-) i was wrong |
| 04:51:04 | JdGordon | Llorean: no, i think the info struct isnt getting updated... but with 6gb I would expect bank sizes of 1.9gb.. not 1.6.. |
| 04:51:46 | Llorean | Yeah, 1.69*5 is a bit too big. |
| 04:52:26 | JdGordon | but it not failing is a bit odd... |
| 04:52:43 | Llorean | It's odd that you expected only 3 banks and got 5 instead. :-P |
| 04:53:22 | JdGordon | everything is odd :D |
| 04:53:31 | JdGordon | try again with a higher count? |
| 04:54:05 | Llorean | And with the struct getting updated properly? |
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| 04:55:10 | JdGordon | I can see how it gets updated... so ill leave that off for the time being |
| 04:56:48 | Llorean | No hang |
| 04:57:04 | JdGordon | went thouught all 10? |
| 04:57:16 | JdGordon | thats retarted! |
| 04:57:28 | Llorean | Yep, went through all 10 |
| 04:57:38 | Llorean | Apparently it's harder to hang than you thought. |
| 04:58:01 | JdGordon | well, mine hung after bank 0 which i was expecting, becuase its only 2gb... |
| 04:58:22 | Llorean | Very strange |
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| 05:01:42 | JdGordon | ok, one more then im onna grab some lunch |
| 05:02:01 | JdGordon | this will let us know if the struct is being updated, for sure! |
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| 05:02:20 | JdGordon | anyone in the room with a e250 and a mSD card? |
| 05:03:38 | Llorean | JdGordon: That one was weird. |
| 05:04:11 | Llorean | It doesn't scroll so it came back on the top of the screen |
| 05:04:15 | Llorean | They all have the same RCA though |
| 05:04:35 | JdGordon | well bugger! |
| 05:04:51 | JdGordon | i guess im out of ideas then :'( |
| 05:05:08 | Llorean | Does that mean it is or isn't being updated? |
| 05:05:52 | JdGordon | isnt... |
| 05:06:49 | JdGordon | ok, put your old bl back... im out of ideas for the time being |
| 05:07:58 | Llorean | :( |
| 05:07:59 | Llorean | Aw |
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| 05:10:39 | pearldiver | nice boot screen |
| 05:11:46 | JdGordon | actually.. there is one moe test we can try... |
| 05:12:15 | Llorean | Well, my Sansa's here for it. |
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| 05:25:13 | JdGordon | Llorean: ok, this is the last one... if it works you should get a /testing.raw file created |
| 05:27:23 | Llorean | Where does it do this at? |
| 05:27:46 | Llorean | It's displayed the first 3 lines of the bootloader (Rockbox Boot Loader, Version, and "Sandisk Sansa e200") and is sitting there. |
| 05:27:50 | Llorean | Should it take long? |
| 05:28:04 | JdGordon | there is a 10s pause before starting rockbnox |
| 05:28:17 | Llorean | But how long does the file creation take? |
| 05:28:23 | Llorean | I suspect it's hanged. |
| 05:28:30 | JdGordon | shuoldnt take long at all |
| 05:28:37 | Llorean | Okay, so hanged. |
| 05:28:46 | JdGordon | did it say trying bank 0? |
| 05:28:50 | Llorean | nope |
| 05:28:51 | JdGordon | or any of the banks? |
| 05:28:58 | Llorean | Never got past the 3rd line of the bootloader |
| 05:29:16 | JdGordon | then it hung.. try again plz? |
| 05:29:36 | Llorean | Yeah, it's hanging repeatedly |
| 05:29:41 | Llorean | Which means I need to recovery mode. :) |
| 05:30:13 | JdGordon | thats hanging way to early tho... |
| 05:30:59 | JdGordon | ok sorry.. leave it for now.. must eat :p |
| 05:31:02 | JdGordon | bbl |
| 05:31:04 | Llorean | Okay |
| 05:31:37 | Llorean | I'll be around. |
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| 06:42:43 | ShaunES | Ghrm. I think my ipod is flat, but when I plug it in nothing happens. |
| 06:42:53 | ShaunES | I turned it on and it showed the battery icon, now nothing. |
| 06:45:25 | Llorean | ShaunES: Try the hard reset from here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8205.0 |
| 06:46:16 | ShaunES | OK, it's stuck on that battery icon now. Let's hope that means it's charging before it tries to boot, or something :P |
| 06:48:29 | ShaunES | Ah ha, success. |
| 06:48:30 | ShaunES | Thanks. |
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| 08:27:36 | GodEater | quiet in here this morning. |
| 08:28:04 | scorche | that depends on how tou define "morning" |
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| 08:29:14 | GodEater | scorche: GMT ;) |
| 08:29:37 | GodEater | there's usually *something* going on around this time when I log in at work |
| 08:30:09 | scorche | oh wow!...woot-off time! |
| 08:30:48 | GodEater | ? |
| 08:31:02 | scorche | http://www.woot.com/ |
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| 08:31:19 | scorche | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woot |
| 08:32:05 | GodEater | neat |
| 08:35:48 | scorche | has very good deals |
| 08:36:43 | * | scorche sets his woot tab to refresh every 30 seconds |
| 08:38:46 | * | GodEater laughs at the "these forums really suck" post |
| 08:39:27 | Llorean | I was planning to come back and say what Febs said, but e beat me to it. |
| 08:39:30 | * | scorche gasps |
| 08:39:35 | scorche | over an hour?!?! |
| 08:39:40 | scorche | how could we?! |
| 08:42:01 | * | scorche lies in wait for x86 to royally screw up so we can do away with him >_> |
| 08:42:04 | * | GodEater lines up to be shot for not having responded at ALL |
| 08:43:11 | GodEater | Febs' response is genius :) |
| 08:43:27 | * | DataGhost browses to the forum |
| 08:44:04 | Llorean | scorche: Yeah, X86 is getting on my nerves, unfortunately there's no rule against that. |
| 08:44:15 | scorche | there should be! |
| 08:44:33 | scorche | (that means i can enact a similar rule for the channel =) |
| 08:45:16 | GodEater | X86 isn't the sharpest tool is he ? |
| 08:46:12 | Llorean | I think I already skirt a bit close to the line of "Tyrannical dictator of the forums" as it is. |
| 08:46:25 | * | JdGordon wonders what your all talking about |
| 08:46:25 | scorche | "Hi" *LF* "Hello?" *LF* "Does anyone here use Doom?" *LF* /kickban xxxxxx Please dont use vulgar language here; your infraction was for 'Doom' |
| 08:48:08 | acathla | :) |
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| 08:55:22 | std|denis | hello |
| 08:55:49 | GodEater | good morning |
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| 08:56:21 | std|denis | is there a way to compile only my plugin? |
| 08:56:33 | std|denis | without everything others |
| 08:56:43 | B4gder | not really |
| 08:56:44 | std|denis | call to "make" is way too long :) |
| 08:56:49 | B4gder | make rocks builds the plugins only |
| 08:57:10 | scorche | std|denis: you can compile the entire build once, and then when you build the next time, it will only compile what is changed, but otherwise, no |
| 08:57:11 | B4gder | and you can edit SOURCES to only include your plugin |
| 08:57:11 | GodEater | B4gder: wouldn't changes to just one plugin after a full build, only rebuild that one .rock ? |
| 08:57:20 | GodEater | scorche: you beat me to it |
| 08:57:37 | B4gder | to some people that isn't enough... |
| 08:57:42 | std|denis | scorche: sure, but it hangs for a long while at start of make process :( |
| 08:57:45 | B4gder | ... those people run cygwin ;-) |
| 08:57:58 | scorche | B4gder: or gentoo ;) |
| 08:58:24 | B4gder | to gentoo people, a 24 hour recompile is never wrong! ;-) |
| 08:59:08 | scorche | too easy to pick on those... |
| 08:59:58 | scorche | Llorean: you could warn him that we dont approve of signatures in the message itself and to put "Please don't be angry" in his signature area =P |
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| 09:00:34 | Llorean | scorche: Hahaha |
| 09:00:47 | * | GodEater coughs. I can't remember the last time I waited 24 hours for a compile. |
| 09:01:30 | scorche | GodEater: i didnt realize that gentoo was *that* slow...i thought 24 hours may have been overshooting the mark, but i guess i was wrong.. |
| 09:01:41 | GodEater | touche ;) |
| 09:01:49 | DataGhost | heh |
| 09:01:54 | DataGhost | must be a slow pc too |
| 09:02:08 | GodEater | in general it's about 10 minutes for most things I emerge |
| 09:02:09 | DataGhost | my laptop can rebuild world including X(GL) and KDE under 15 hours |
| 09:02:41 | B4gder | only a few years ago, I heard people do 72 hour compiles |
| 09:02:45 | DataGhost | oh and as long as I stay away from reiser4, I'll only have to do that once |
| 09:03:03 | GodEater | B4gder: yep - I think back in the mists of time that's how long to took to do what DataGhost just described |
| 09:03:20 | GodEater | reiser4: written by a criminal |
| 09:03:33 | DataGhost | http://de.dataghost.com/Afb.062t.jpg |
| 09:03:33 | GodEater | allegedly |
| 09:03:35 | DataGhost | definitely :( |
| 09:03:43 | DataGhost | I never really rebuilt it |
| 09:03:58 | DataGhost | I'm now using it as a fast-booting linux thing that can compile software for me :P |
| 09:04:03 | DataGhost | I installed sabayon instead :) |
| 09:04:24 | std|denis | scorche: what "svnversion.sh" is for? |
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| 09:04:48 | GodEater | that's not a pretty screenshot DataGhost |
| 09:04:52 | DataGhost | :P |
| 09:05:01 | DataGhost | it got worse when I figured out that I also lost /etc |
| 09:05:06 | DataGhost | else I would have rebuilt it |
| 09:06:22 | std|denis | B4gder: did you mean using of "make rocks" command instead of "make" to build the plugins only? |
| 09:07:53 | GodEater | std|denis: that's what he said... |
| 09:09:46 | JdGordon | std|denis: create the file docs/VERSION and svnversion.sh wont run |
| 09:10:04 | std|denis | JdGordon: thanx! |
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| 09:30:06 | pondlife | Hmm, Nico_P's cuesheet checks might be a bit OTT. "if (id3 && *id3->path && strcmp(id3->path, "No file!"))" doesn't need the "*id3->path" bit does it? |
| 09:30:24 | B4gder | yeah, I've noticed the same thing |
| 09:30:34 | B4gder | I wonder if he meant it to be && id3->path |
| 09:30:39 | pondlife | Yep |
| 09:31:16 | pondlife | B4gder: Did you see my comment about Flyspray leaking e-mail addresses to the newsgroup? |
| 09:31:37 | pondlife | Or is Flyspray not your area? |
| 09:32:04 | B4gder | I didn't, and zagor is mr flyspray admin on the server |
| 09:32:23 | pondlife | OK, I'll mention it to him some time, not urgent but could be better. |
| 09:38:11 | LinusN | perhaps he wanted to check for an empty path? |
| 09:38:20 | LinusN | i.e "" |
| 09:38:32 | LinusN | nah |
| 09:38:45 | pondlife | The strcmp will do that anyway |
| 09:38:58 | pondlife | Ah, I see... |
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| 09:56:06 | austriancoder | Hi all... i need to talk to you, its about googls summer of code. |
| 09:56:15 | austriancoder | As you may know I want to work on an usb stack - a huge task, i know. But what do you think when i am doing the following steps for the project: |
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| 09:56:26 | austriancoder | * evaluate http://sourceforge.net/projects/lpcusb and http://porus.berlios.de to look which is better for the usage in RockBox |
| 09:56:41 | austriancoder | * Use the winner as basis for our usb stack |
| 09:57:07 | austriancoder | * Write an usb core driver for eSansa(portalplayers) - based on http://www.bitshrine.org/gpp/linux-2.6.16-mx31-usb-2.patch |
| 09:58:36 | lachlan | Go for it mate:) |
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| 10:03:56 | LinusN | austriancoder: i think you should first decide what you want to implement, usb host och usb device |
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| 10:05:20 | LinusN | s/och/or/ |
| 10:05:56 | austriancoder | LinusN: I think usb device should be a good start... so that we can copy files from pc/mac/.. to a sansa |
| 10:06:07 | LinusN | austriancoder: i think so too |
| 10:06:54 | LinusN | btw, i'm still curious about what happened on the AMS meeting |
| 10:07:22 | austriancoder | LinusN: i have started writting a summary, but... hmmm.. |
| 10:07:50 | austriancoder | LinusN: will make some photos later the day and then i am reday |
| 10:09:07 | LinusN | nice! |
| 10:11:01 | austriancoder | LinusN: so is it okay to use maybe one of the previous two named usb stacks for my work? |
| 10:11:49 | LinusN | you can use any code you like, provided that it is suitable, easily portable and has a compatible license |
| 10:12:15 | austriancoder | LinusN: fine :) |
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| 10:14:58 | JdGordon | linuxstb: ping? |
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| 10:17:35 | MrAudio2 | ello. I'm hacking Rockbox source directly on iAudio X5. I'm poking around in tree.c, list.c, etc. Where are "long button presses" handled? (e.g. not a simple "click" on play, but a long-hold-down press) |
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| 10:20:48 | JdGordon | MrAudio2: look for the line case ACTION_STD_CONTEXT |
| 10:20:52 | JdGordon | or similar in tree.c |
| 10:23:55 | MrAudio2 | JdGordon: Thanks, that's it. Now, how about long-presses on RECORD? |
| 10:24:59 | JdGordon | the button system uses these actions.. so to use say a long press of rec you need to go into the keymap/keymap-<target>.c file and change it there.. |
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| 10:25:09 | JdGordon | and possibly add a define to apps/action.h |
| 10:25:33 | LinusN | JdGordon: does your Wiki page describe this procedure? |
| 10:25:37 | MrAudio2 | OK, I'll look in the files you mention, thanks. |
| 10:26:14 | JdGordon | i dont think I've done a wiki for it... since the commit |
| 10:26:16 | JdGordon | so probably not |
| 10:28:46 | LinusN | JdGordon: i thought there was some info in the proposal page |
| 10:28:57 | JdGordon | cant remember |
| 10:29:27 | LinusN | well, i guess we should hope for that Someone guy to document it for us :-P |
| 10:30:16 | JdGordon | yeah, nothing in the wiki on how to use it :'( |
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| 10:32:30 | pondlife | amiconn: Google still messing with your mind? |
| 10:36:10 | LinusN | amiconn: quickly! put your foil hat back on! |
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| 10:37:58 | scorche | actually, according to recent studies, having a tinfoil hat on will actually make it easier for many signals to get to you, instead of blocking |
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| 10:39:01 | amiconn | Nah, seems my laptop hdd is dying :( |
| 10:39:06 | bluebrother | JdGordon: you noticed that FS #6863 isn't fixed at all? |
| 10:39:37 | JdGordon | I saw.. |
| 10:39:55 | JdGordon | well.. pixelma was nice enough to point me to the logs thismorning |
| 10:40:22 | bluebrother | good. Haven't had the time to do this yet (but I would have noticed it) |
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| 11:10:00 | crop | bluebrother: Hi bluebrother. There's a patch for FS #6863. Have you tested it? |
| 11:10:59 | bluebrother | crop: yes but it's more a hack than a real fix |
| 11:11:14 | bluebrother | also, it only solves the splash issue, not the stopping one |
| 11:13:12 | bluebrother | a possible hack around the problem is changing the GO_TO_PREVIOUS to GO_TO_PREVIOUS_BROWSER in gui_wps_show() |
| 11:13:33 | bluebrother | but that will then go always to the browser after playback is stopped / finished |
| 11:13:39 | bluebrother | so it's not a proper fix |
| 11:14:17 | crop | bluebrother: yes. But still better that having to do a hard reset. I've installed it as a quick and dirty workaround until a better patch arrives. |
| 11:14:51 | bluebrother | I still hope JdGordon can fix it shortly −− he knows the menu code best |
| 11:15:08 | crop | bluebrother: I know nothing about RB code. Can just compile. |
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| 11:15:22 | bluebrother | ... and gone. Oh my. |
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| 11:28:51 | funky_Lit | where cn i find the loader.cfg |
| 11:30:23 | scorche | funky_Lit: why are you asking us this, instead of ipl? |
| 11:30:54 | funky_Lit | well no ones answering in their channel |
| 11:30:59 | funky_Lit | sori for that |
| 11:31:39 | scorche | so if you were missing a driver for your windows machine, you would go to a mac channel? |
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| 11:32:23 | linuxstb | funky_Lit: This is IPL's page documenting their Loader2 - http://ipodlinux.org/Loader_2 |
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| 11:32:38 | Soap | what I don't get is funky_Lit asked over an hour ago in #ipodlinux. You can get a lot of reading done in an hour. |
| 11:32:45 | funky_Lit | well i was just hoping you dont need to be rude |
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| 11:33:22 | scorche | i am not being rude...i am making an apt analogy to show why it doesnt make sense |
| 11:34:02 | funky_Lit | well i guess im just asking in gen. |
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| 11:34:47 | scorche | if you read the guidelines, you will see that this is a channel dedicated to rockbox...there is no such thing as "asking in general" |
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| 11:52:22 | JdGordon | bluebrother: the problem only happeens if you use the shortcuts right? |
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| 11:57:47 | bluebrother | JdGordon: yes |
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| 12:01:09 | bluebrother | in that case this_screen and last_screen in root_menu() are set to GO_TO_PREVIOUS which looks like the problem to me |
| 12:01:26 | JdGordon | ok.. I tihnkive got a nsaty fix for it.. which seems to work |
| 12:02:54 | bluebrother | btw, I was wondering why the function calls in struct root_items have void* as parameters? |
| 12:03:38 | GodEater | ftp.rs.internic.net |
| 12:03:38 | JdGordon | mostly for future expansion... |
| 12:03:42 | JdGordon | the browsers use it |
| 12:03:43 | GodEater | oops |
| 12:04:26 | * | bluebrother thinks if there are major changes in such cases it's easier to change it later |
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| 12:04:40 | bluebrother | that casing all time looks quite weird |
| 12:05:37 | JdGordon | it was fine before the db auto-initiing went in... |
| 12:05:40 | JdGordon | wanna test this patch? |
| 12:05:48 | bluebrother | sure. |
| 12:06:37 | JdGordon | its not perfect... but it stops the infinite looping... |
| 12:06:46 | JdGordon | so at most it will only try twice... |
| 12:07:28 | bluebrother | does it also fix the stop issue or only the "nothing to resume"? |
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| 12:09:05 | JdGordon | should fix both |
| 12:09:11 | JdGordon | havnt cecked the stop issue |
| 12:09:38 | barrywardell | is it possible to modify the hidden property of a folder in rockbox? it might be handy to unhide the Music folder using the bootloader on the H10. |
| 12:10:10 | DataGhost | http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ga/2007/ga070322.gif :D |
| 12:10:37 | JdGordon | DataGhost: again.. your too slow.. :D i saw that 10 hours ago :p |
| 12:10:44 | DataGhost | meh :P |
| 12:10:48 | DataGhost | I just got it in my mailbox ;) |
| 12:10:51 | JdGordon | bluebrother: patch on the fs page |
| 12:10:53 | * | bluebrother was asleep 10 hours ago |
| 12:11:06 | DataGhost | so was I by the way :P |
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| 12:11:29 | DataGhost | GMT+1 to rule the world \o/ |
| 12:13:38 | * | JdGordon always thought we got yesterdays comics.. not tomorows :p |
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| 12:14:12 | JdGordon | bluebrother: all good? |
| 12:14:14 | DataGhost | hehe |
| 12:14:45 | DataGhost | ah well it's the same date over there |
| 12:14:52 | bluebrother | JdGordon: still compiling −− I can only use my old machine atm |
| 12:15:10 | DataGhost | so you're getting todays comics, not yesterdays, not tomorrows :P |
| 12:15:36 | JdGordon | its always today for me... but its almost my yesterday not your tomorows :p |
| 12:15:44 | JdGordon | whos getting confused? :) |
| 12:15:44 | DataGhost | :) |
| 12:15:48 | DataGhost | hehe |
| 12:16:04 | DataGhost | well you are 10 hours ahead so that would be correct :P |
| 12:16:10 | DataGhost | 12:16 over here |
| 12:17:22 | JdGordon | LinusN: would it be possible to put the bootloader version somewhere that rockbox could read when it boots up? |
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| 12:23:26 | JdGordon | bluebrother: ? |
| 12:23:45 | JdGordon | pondlife: i fixed your quickscreen + db bug |
| 12:23:46 | bluebrother | hang on ... |
| 12:24:04 | pondlife | JdGordon: Which one was that? |
| 12:24:28 | JdGordon | oh woops... wrong p guy :p |
| 12:24:37 | pondlife | :) |
| 12:24:37 | JdGordon | it was pauljam's not yours |
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| 12:26:09 | bluebrother | that box is really slow ... K6-2 450 needs quite a while to compile |
| 12:26:46 | JdGordon | even just make bin? |
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| 12:27:13 | JdGordon | linuxstb: back yet? |
| 12:27:16 | bluebrother | nah, forgot I could to this to shorten it :o |
| 12:27:22 | JdGordon | hehe |
| 12:28:44 | bluebrother | ok. It still displays "nothing to resume" at the end of the playlist but it doesn't lock up anymore |
| 12:30:00 | bluebrother | so I think it should go in to resolve the lockup and get solved better later. |
| 12:30:11 | * | bluebrother just found another annoyance |
| 12:30:26 | bluebrother | gtg now, will be back in an hour or so. |
| 12:31:06 | JdGordon | bah.. what annoyance? |
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| 12:35:51 | DataGhost | hm about compiling.. I think I remember spotting a bug a while back |
| 12:36:04 | DataGhost | maybe I'll retry compiling today, to see if I can reproduce it |
| 12:36:11 | DataGhost | if it happened, it happened with make -j3 :) |
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| 12:36:29 | DataGhost | so there's probably a small bug in the makefile (dependency thing... I saw that before in another project) |
| 12:37:47 | JdGordon | yeah, thats been mentioned before.. |
| 12:38:16 | DataGhost | oh ok |
| 12:38:20 | * | JdGordon goes for another green delats row :D |
| 12:38:24 | JdGordon | deltas* |
| 12:38:29 | DataGhost | I just rebooted my laptop :') |
| 12:38:49 | DataGhost | was it mentioned with enough details? |
| 12:39:08 | JdGordon | aobut as much as you just gave iirc |
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| 12:39:40 | DataGhost | oh ok I'll reproduce it then |
| 12:40:05 | DataGhost | try to* maybe someone silently fixed it :P |
| 12:40:54 | JdGordon | depnds how many cpus you can get building it... im sure with -j10 you could reproduce it :p |
| 12:41:03 | DataGhost | 2 |
| 12:41:05 | DataGhost | 3 threads |
| 12:41:08 | DataGhost | but it shouldn't matter |
| 12:41:26 | DataGhost | a properly set-up makefile (with the right dependencies) makes sure nothing is built before its dependencies are done |
| 12:41:39 | DataGhost | normally it doesn't matter on 1 core |
| 12:41:50 | DataGhost | it didn't error by the way, svn checkout from 3 minutes ago |
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| 12:42:33 | DataGhost | so possibly it's fixed |
| 12:42:39 | DataGhost | I'll do -j10 from shm :P |
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| 12:44:21 | DataGhost | oh. duh |
| 12:44:23 | DataGhost | noexec on shm |
| 12:45:21 | JdGordon | hey linuxstb, still need sansapatcher tested or all good? |
| 12:45:52 | linuxstb | JdGordon: You tell me... Has barrywardell finished any bootloader changes he wants to make? |
| 12:46:05 | JdGordon | dunno.. |
| 12:46:16 | barrywardell | i haven't made any changes |
| 12:46:17 | JdGordon | I meant with using an old loader with it |
| 12:46:25 | barrywardell | since linuxstb's last build |
| 12:46:33 | linuxstb | Ah sorry, forgot about that change. Yes, that could be useful to check. |
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| 12:46:53 | linuxstb | My zip file with the binaries is up-to-date with SVN. |
| 12:47:06 | linuxstb | http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/sansapatcher.zip |
| 12:47:26 | JdGordon | :) doesnt install |
| 12:47:26 | linuxstb | barrywardell: So are you happy with releasing the current bootloader? |
| 12:47:41 | linuxstb | So that's a new bootloader installed without sansapatcher? |
| 12:47:44 | barrywardell | yes. the only two issues are: |
| 12:47:49 | JdGordon | linuxstb: yep |
| 12:47:56 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Good, thanks. |
| 12:48:04 | barrywardell | 1) The lcd_init() causes the lcd to flash blue for a split-second |
| 12:48:17 | barrywardell | 2) JdGordon's usb stuff would be nice to have |
| 12:48:24 | linuxstb | What does it become after it flashes blue? |
| 12:48:50 | linuxstb | I mean couldn't you just change the background colour? |
| 12:49:20 | barrywardell | i did, the problem is in the lcd driver. even without doing an lcd_update() it updates the lcd when you do lcd_init() |
| 12:49:37 | DataGhost | yes! error! |
| 12:49:41 | DataGhost | 'no space left on device' |
| 12:49:41 | DataGhost | :P |
| 12:49:41 | JdGordon | maybe we just stick the rockbox logo there instead? |
| 12:50:28 | barrywardell | the flash will always happen |
| 12:50:36 | linuxstb | So what is displayed after the flash? |
| 12:50:38 | barrywardell | it even happens when booting rockbox |
| 12:50:53 | barrywardell | eg. after bootloader is done and rockbox starts loading |
| 12:51:01 | barrywardell | it flashes blue, then shows the rockbox logo |
| 12:51:19 | DataGhost | unable to reproduce with the various configuration options I used before, -j3 -j10 and even -j20 |
| 12:51:24 | linuxstb | But what do you mean "flashes" - that implies to me that it's something, then blue, then something else. |
| 12:52:05 | barrywardell | ok, bad description. it changes to blue, then changes to whatever is to be displayed |
| 12:52:24 | JdGordon | starts white, then changes to an off white-ish-blue here |
| 12:52:31 | JdGordon | not rockbox blue tho... |
| 12:53:40 | JdGordon | LCD_REG_6 = (LCD_REG_6 & (0xffffff1f)) | (0x4 << 5); maybe? doesnt that restart dma? |
| 12:53:45 | JdGordon | half wa through init... |
| 12:53:47 | JdGordon | way* |
| 12:54:28 | barrywardell | it seems like something is restarting the dma anyway |
| 12:54:40 | * | JdGordon changing that last f to an e and tests |
| 12:55:14 | JdGordon | no change :( |
| 12:55:49 | JdGordon | unless there is more to the enabling dma than that 1 bit? |
| 12:56:16 | barrywardell | i'm not sure. dan_a is the expert... |
| 12:56:37 | LinusN | JdGordon: yes, exporting the bootloader version is a good idea |
| 12:57:12 | JdGordon | just all these data aborts because ppl are not using the right bootloader is irritating me :p |
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| 13:00:12 | barrywardell | linuxstb: here's a video of the problem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3fxzgunaT4 |
| 13:00:25 | barrywardell | not great quality but I think you get the idea from it |
| 13:01:18 | ppeom | um video quality very low... |
| 13:02:39 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I can't view the video from here, but I think I understand. I assumed it was the Rockbox blue, and therefore was just thinking you could change it. |
| 13:03:10 | barrywardell | ah, ok. it's something that won't be fixed until someone figures out the lcd driver a bit more |
| 13:03:17 | JdGordon | the sansa doe use lcd-16bit.c right? im not changing the wrong file...? |
| 13:03:25 | linuxstb | barrywardell: But anyway, I think I'm happy with sansapatcher, so as soon as you're happy with the bootloader (if not already), we can release it. |
| 13:03:28 | barrywardell | and it's not a critical problem |
| 13:03:41 | barrywardell | I'm happy with it now. |
| 13:03:49 | linuxstb | Then let's release... |
| 13:03:58 | JdGordon | with usb..... :'( |
| 13:04:05 | barrywardell | maybe we should make a "stable" release, then we can start adding usb and stuff? |
| 13:04:19 | barrywardell | or should we add usb for the first release? |
| 13:04:51 | linuxstb | Is the USB "mac-friendly", or can it still break the Mac OS X USB stack? |
| 13:04:55 | JdGordon | hehe, doesnt really matter... im using a custom loader anyay |
| 13:05:54 | JdGordon | what are the outl() and inl() functions? |
| 13:06:39 | linuxstb | OK, then can someone (LinusN, Bagder) unzip http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/sansapatcher.zip into /bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200/ on the download server? It might be useful to remname the existing PP5024.mi4 file to PP5024.2007-03-12 before. |
| 13:07:14 | barrywardell | I'll do some usb testing now... |
| 13:07:48 | linuxstb | What does Rockbox itself do on the Sansa when it detects a USB connection? |
| 13:07:48 | JdGordon | barrywardell: well... for what its worth.. its not the LCD_REG_6 block in lcd_init_device().. comenting that out changes nothing... |
| 13:08:06 | JdGordon | linuxstb: shows the usb screen, and maybe charges... |
| 13:08:15 | linuxstb | So it doesn't reboot to the OF? |
| 13:08:26 | JdGordon | no |
| 13:08:33 | barrywardell | JdGordon: :( |
| 13:08:42 | JdGordon | system_reboot() isnt implemented i tihnk |
| 13:09:01 | JdGordon | I cant actually damage the lcd by commenting random code in the lcd init sequence can I ? |
| 13:09:03 | linuxstb | So the system_reboot() that works on other PP targets doesn't work on the Sansa? |
| 13:09:04 | barrywardell | does the PP5020 version not work? |
| 13:09:17 | LinusN | linuxstb: sansapatcher uploaded |
| 13:09:36 | JdGordon | it didnt work yesterday (?) when i tested that |
| 13:09:46 | linuxstb | IIUC, IRAM contents are preserved during a reset, so you could write some magic into IRAM for the bootloader to check, and if the bootloader sees that magic, make it start the OF. |
| 13:09:53 | JdGordon | its possible i stuffed up the #ifdefs for it tho |
| 13:10:00 | linuxstb | LinusN: Thanks. |
| 13:10:16 | pondlife | I'm sure it's been discussed, but can't Rockbox (on iPod at least) check the bootloader version that was used, and refuse to continue if it's out of date..? |
| 13:10:28 | pondlife | A magic number or something? |
| 13:10:28 | linuxstb | LinusN: Can you unzip that file? (and then delete it) |
| 13:10:39 | LinusN | aha, i didn't know you wanted that |
| 13:10:45 | JdGordon | pondlife: thats what id like to do, but atm the bootloader version isnt exported |
| 13:10:49 | * | LinusN can't read |
| 13:11:07 | LinusN | linuxstb: done |
| 13:11:18 | linuxstb | LinusN: Thanks. :) |
| 13:12:06 | linuxstb | amiconn: Could you build an amd64 version of sansapatcher? You need to download http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200/PP5022.mi4 and put it in the rbutil/sansapatcher/ directory, then just type "make". |
| 13:13:10 | desowin | linuxstb: you mean linux amd64 binary ? |
| 13:13:13 | JdGordon | barrywardell: I was wrong.. commenintg that block out caused some wierd artefacs when booting OF! |
| 13:14:08 | barrywardell | JdGordon: toni1 was talking about some lcd findings here yesterday |
| 13:14:44 | JdGordon | wow, this is odd... the OF looks like it expects the lcd to be setup correclty already... playing with the init code causes rb to boot fine, but the OF to not display correcltty |
| 13:14:52 | * | JdGordon goes for the logs |
| 13:15:29 | barrywardell | JdGordon: your usb patch worked on my sansa and mac. maybe it's an intermittent problem (or maybe it's not a problem any more) |
| 13:15:37 | * | barrywardell tries again |
| 13:15:38 | JdGordon | cool :) |
| 13:16:05 | JdGordon | amiconn: I reckon I free'ed up enough space in that last commit to put the backlight setting back in :D |
| 13:16:14 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I did have that problem on my Mac with the first version of the new usb detection code, but I later changed it slightly, and that fixed it. |
| 13:16:29 | linuxstb | desowin: Yes. Could you do one? |
| 13:16:36 | desowin | yes |
| 13:16:46 | amiconn | JdGordon: This has nothing to do with freeing space or such. It simply sounds backwards to set a plugin option from the core |
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| 13:17:10 | * | amiconn will probably cause a red diff for player soon(ish) |
| 13:17:38 | * | JdGordon was being funny :p |
| 13:17:59 | amiconn | That is, if I can get the dynamic mapping to work right, and I find enough time in general |
| 13:17:59 | JdGordon | merging the lcd code? or another reason? |
| 13:18:00 | desowin | linuxstb: "sansapatcher.c:710: warning: format ‘%llu’ expects type ‘long long unsigned int’, but argument 2 has type ‘loff_t’" |
| 13:18:11 | pondlife | Viewports take 1? |
| 13:18:18 | linuxstb | desowin: Argh... Is that the only warning? |
| 13:18:21 | amiconn | Reinstalling a laptop with dozens of apps isn't my idea of fun :( |
| 13:18:27 | desowin | linuxstb: yes |
| 13:18:40 | linuxstb | desowin: Do you have a Sansa to test it on? |
| 13:18:47 | desowin | no |
| 13:18:49 | barrywardell | JdGordon, linuxstb: i can't reproduce the problem now. so maybe it's fixed... |
| 13:19:14 | amiconn | JdGordon, pondlife: First step to more modular and unified lcd code: charcell lcd code rewrite which also allows true unicode support |
| 13:19:31 | JdGordon | great :) (to both) |
| 13:19:35 | pondlife | Yup |
| 13:19:43 | desowin | linuxstb: desowin.republika.pl/sansapatcher">http://desowin.republika.pl/sansapatcher <- there's binary, but there was that warning |
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| 13:19:58 | pondlife | So no dropping of charcell then.. |
| 13:19:58 | pondlife | :) |
| 13:20:14 | amiconn | Most things seem to work, but replacement chars (when all user-definable chars are used up) don't work right yet |
| 13:20:24 | barrywardell | JdGordon: ok, I guess there's nothing against the usb patch making it in now... |
| 13:20:34 | amiconn | And it's kinda difficult to debug b/c the sims have problems with non-ascii filenames |
| 13:20:38 | JdGordon | exceot it should reboot if it works... |
| 13:20:48 | amiconn | Maybe that's a windows/cygwin problem only... |
| 13:20:49 | JdGordon | reboot from rockbox i mean, like ipods |
| 13:20:51 | linuxstb | LinusN: Can you create a "linux64amd64" subdirectory in that download directory, and put the sansapatcher that desowin has just build in it? |
| 13:20:56 | linuxstb | desowin: Thanks. |
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| 13:21:19 | desowin | no problem |
| 13:21:31 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I can't build new binaries until this evening, but let me know if you want to upgrade the bootloader later. |
| 13:21:35 | barrywardell | JdGordon: yeah, but that's separate from the bootloader? |
| 13:21:38 | JdGordon | When we load the OF, does it know that another bootloader has been run? I cant image why these init changes are affecting it and not us |
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| 13:21:43 | JdGordon | barrywardell: true |
| 13:21:44 | amiconn | It seems windows' open() doesn't translate the filename to utf8, but just uses the local codepage |
| 13:21:51 | barrywardell | linuxstb: the only change will be if JdGordon commits the usb stuff |
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| 13:22:03 | LinusN | linuxstb: done |
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| 13:22:27 | barrywardell | JdGordon: the init is done again in the main Rockbox binary |
| 13:22:27 | amiconn | readdir() I mean of course |
| 13:22:45 | JdGordon | ... but im not ifdeffing it for the bootloader.. im commenting out the whole code |
| 13:22:53 | LinusN | amiconn: you had me thinking there for a while :-) |
| 13:22:53 | amiconn | So I just get ugly little blocks instead of ä, ö etc |
| 13:23:00 | * | linuxstb goes for lunch |
| 13:23:13 | barrywardell | JdGordon: but are you putting a new rockbox.e200 on as well? |
| 13:23:18 | JdGordon | an my bootloader/firmware folders are dirty, so if someone else wants to commit the usb code it would be good |
| 13:23:26 | JdGordon | AH, no im not :p |
| 13:24:01 | desowin | amiconn: you don't use utf-8 in irc, do you ? |
| 13:24:04 | pondlife | amiconn: I logged a bug regarding the sim's Unicode support under Windows... |
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| 13:24:36 | barrywardell | JdGordon: i'll commit it later if you don't get there before me |
| 13:25:09 | amiconn | desowin: No, Hydra just uses the system codepage |
| 13:25:18 | JdGordon | but even still... shoudltn the OF reinit the display anyway? |
| 13:25:20 | amiconn | And windows can't be configured for utf-8 |
| 13:26:15 | GodEater | looks like someone in the forums can't rid the bit in our conditions of usage about "not talking about ways to remove DRM" |
| 13:30:55 | GodEater | or perhaps I meant "read" |
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| 13:45:44 | JdGordon | linuxstb: ok, commited... time to release... |
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| 13:47:36 | B4gder | ... the return EOK should not be on the same line as the "else" |
| 13:47:53 | B4gder | imho |
| 13:48:38 | B4gder | (after the checks for the US and the euro versions) |
| 13:51:19 | JdGordon | ah, forgot about that silly rule :p |
| 13:51:27 | JdGordon | and by silly, i mean good... :D |
| 13:52:25 | B4gder | haha |
| 13:52:36 | B4gder | I just didn't notice the return in my first read |
| 13:53:08 | JdGordon | the problem with the single line after else is that it lines up staright after the e, so its sometimes harder to see it than if it was on the same line |
| 13:53:08 | JdGordon | imo |
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| 13:54:24 | LinusN | i don't agree |
| 13:54:28 | B4gder | my eyes are trained to detect elses that use more than one line... :-) |
| 13:56:00 | LinusN | yuck, my gigabeat keeps clipping even with no eq or bass/treble |
| 13:56:13 | JdGordon | all fixed |
| 13:57:03 | B4gder | thanks |
| 13:57:12 | JdGordon | would there be any point organsing the booloader folder a bit more? instead of having main* 3 times? |
| 13:57:43 | JdGordon | make the loading more generic and similar to the target tree system? |
| 13:57:54 | B4gder | probably things could be movied into the target tree |
| 13:57:57 | B4gder | moved |
| 13:58:15 | LinusN | perhaps more code could go to common.c |
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| 14:02:20 | amar | Hi, I am considering applying for the google summer of code |
| 14:02:31 | amar | I am interested in getting wma playback working but am not too sure where to start |
| 14:02:41 | amar | I have seen the patch in fly spray but was wondering if there was any usefull background reading |
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| 14:03:08 | B4gder | you mean on codecs or on wma? |
| 14:03:18 | amar | both |
| 14:03:39 | B4gder | preglow: got any good suggestions? |
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| 14:05:13 | preglow | amar: well, how familiar are you with dsp? |
| 14:05:49 | amar | not at all |
| 14:06:33 | preglow | and with fixed point math? |
| 14:06:41 | amar | the basics |
| 14:06:47 | * | amar is begining to think that he needs to find something else to do over summer |
| 14:07:08 | preglow | well, it depends, a good understanding of dsp isn't strictly necessary |
| 14:07:18 | JdGordon | can we swap threads on and off the COP like the cpu? and can threads be moved from 1 to the other? |
| 14:07:22 | preglow | you'll need to know fixed point well |
| 14:07:30 | preglow | and you really don't need to know too much about wma either |
| 14:07:48 | B4gder | but there is lots of existing code and concepts to learn from |
| 14:07:57 | preglow | deed |
| 14:07:57 | B4gder | in regard to fixed point math I measn |
| 14:07:58 | B4gder | mean |
| 14:08:00 | preglow | yup |
| 14:08:16 | preglow | and plenty of people to ask |
| 14:08:35 | preglow | i'd say if you're interested, you should plain and simple just have a look at the code itself |
| 14:08:59 | preglow | and it might be wise to base that look on the ffmpeg wma code itself, and not the patch |
| 14:09:19 | amar | thanks |
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| 14:10:23 | barrywardell | JdGordon: now we just need to add detection of the other firmware versions ;) |
| 14:10:42 | JdGordon | are the others known? |
| 14:10:47 | preglow | amar: just ask if you're wondering about anything anyway |
| 14:11:01 | preglow | i'd love to add another codec to our list :) |
| 14:11:23 | barrywardell | no, but it would just be a matter of putting each firmware version on and checking. tedious maybe, but doable |
| 14:11:26 | linuxstb | amar: WMA playback is very much wanted in Rockbox, so you'll get a lot of help from the developers, and a lot of praise from users... |
| 14:11:35 | barrywardell | i'm not volunteering :P |
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| 14:12:46 | JdGordon | barrywardell: as long as it detects ours its fine :D |
| 14:13:13 | JdGordon | although, I should have put it in the commit message that if it doesnt work they need to tell us |
| 14:14:19 | barrywardell | haha, good point. i won't be upgrading my firmware for a while anyway. usb on mac doesn't work with them either! |
| 14:14:45 | JdGordon | you said it was ok now.. didnt you? |
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| 14:15:50 | amar | I'll read into it abit more and try to decide if it is within my abilities tonight |
| 14:16:56 | barrywardell | JdGordon: yes, i'm referring to the OF. versions 1.02.xx don't have working usb with mac |
| 14:17:03 | JdGordon | oh |
| 14:17:26 | barrywardell | something tells me it's partially a problem with OS X |
| 14:17:31 | JdGordon | anyone know the answer to the thread q before? or do i need to wait fro Slasheri ? |
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| 14:17:40 | JdGordon | or dan_a? |
| 14:20:41 | JdGordon | anyone mind if I shorten the playlist thread name so it fits on the sansa screen? |
| 14:22:12 | barrywardell | if it doesn't fit on the sansa screen, then it probably doesn't fit on a few ofther targets' screens |
| 14:22:35 | JdGordon | how do you shorten "playlist cachecontrol" tho? :p |
| 14:22:46 | JdGordon | its 4 chars too long |
| 14:24:06 | amiconn | playlist cctrl |
| 14:24:10 | austriancoder | JdGordon: horizontal scroling :) |
| 14:24:25 | amiconn | I think the thread list should be a gui list |
| 14:25:01 | amiconn | Right now it's not possible to scroll it, and hence you don't know whether there are more threads than lines on the screen |
| 14:25:13 | JdGordon | amiconn: I thought we didnt want to use the gui widgets in the debug menu? |
| 14:25:25 | JdGordon | but ok, should be an easy screen to convert |
| 14:25:31 | linuxstb | On a similar topic, how is LCD remote support nowadays? Are all screens (excluding debug) adapted? |
| 14:25:39 | amiconn | Might even make the code smaller in this case |
| 14:25:53 | amiconn | linuxstb: I doubt it... |
| 14:26:19 | JdGordon | linuxstb: pretty much... just plugins really... |
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| 14:32:08 | JdGordon | hmm... there is no way of knowing how many threads are on the core is there? |
| 14:32:18 | JdGordon | putting this in the list may not be so easy after all... |
| 14:36:04 | linuxstb | Can't you just count them? |
| 14:36:39 | JdGordon | gonna have to... i was hoping this would be stored anyway... |
| 14:37:35 | markun | linuxstb: did you look at the fixed-point realaudio g2 codec in ffmpeg? |
| 14:37:42 | JdGordon | yeah, this isnt going to save any space at all... |
| 14:37:43 | bluebrother | JdGordon: boot the player with startup screen set to "file browser". Press play. You'll get the "nothing to resume" splash and get dropped to the main menu (which is wrong) |
| 14:38:06 | bluebrother | as you should end up where you've been before which is the file browser. |
| 14:38:20 | linuxstb | markun: Only very briefly. That would be nice in Rockbox as well... |
| 14:38:30 | bluebrother | that's the annoyance I ment earlier |
| 14:38:48 | markun | Are people still using realaudio these days? |
| 14:38:56 | JdGordon | yeah, but thats better than infinite looping... |
| 14:39:07 | linuxstb | Lots of webcasts are still realaudio. The BBC use it in the UK for example. |
| 14:39:08 | bluebrother | true. |
| 14:39:19 | bluebrother | that's why I called annoyance ;-) |
| 14:39:42 | markun | linuxstb: it's a shame they stopped their Ogg Vorbis experiments |
| 14:39:59 | linuxstb | Yep. |
| 14:40:22 | markun | well, maybe the experiment was a success and it showed that they were wasting their time with Ogg Vorbis.. |
| 14:40:22 | linuxstb | Interestingly, BBC Research are a google SoC mentor. I wonder what they're up to... |
| 14:40:36 | markun | Maybe the Dirac codec? |
| 14:40:51 | linuxstb | Possibly. |
| 14:41:41 | bluebrother | Dirac codec? |
| 14:41:43 | linuxstb | Ah, I guess it's one of these projects - http://www.bbc.co.uk/opensource/ |
| 14:41:55 | markun | yes, this one: http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/Home |
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| 14:45:53 | Nico_P | JdGordon: I've got a strange thing in the cuesheet viewer... when i exit it with stop it goes back to the current dir as expected, but when I exit with left it acts as if I had pressed left twice |
| 14:46:26 | JdGordon | keymap issue? |
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| 14:46:51 | Nico_P | JdGordon: keymap in the screen ? |
| 14:47:41 | JdGordon | which screen? |
| 14:47:53 | * | JdGordon should read the whole sentance before answering :'( |
| 14:48:04 | JdGordon | have you got action_signalscreenchange() ? |
| 14:48:06 | Nico_P | what I meant is "do you mean in general or in this particular screen ?" |
| 14:48:15 | Nico_P | ah.. not sure, let me check |
| 14:50:11 | Nico_P | I don't |
| 14:50:15 | JdGordon | any objections to allowing users to change the thread priority from the debug menu? |
| 14:50:18 | JdGordon | then thats the problem :D |
| 14:50:41 | Nico_P | It is indeed... thanks |
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| 14:52:56 | HeSh | hey guys. |
| 14:53:04 | markun | hi HeSh |
| 14:53:13 | HeSh | i just discovered rockbox few days ago |
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| 14:53:40 | HeSh | and thought to give a try creating some small plugin |
| 14:53:46 | markun | HeSh: so you like it? |
| 14:53:59 | HeSh | markun, sure. it really rocks |
| 14:54:11 | HeSh | let's say no more itunes for me |
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| 14:54:27 | preglow | JdGordon: why'd we want that? |
| 14:54:43 | leftright | bluebrother ? |
| 14:54:45 | JdGordon | because we can :p |
| 14:54:51 | bluebrother | leftright: yes? |
| 14:54:52 | markun | HeSh: what kind of plugin were you thinking of? |
| 14:54:58 | preglow | JdGordon: i'd say hell no |
| 14:55:04 | bluebrother | nah, don't let the user change stuff like this |
| 14:55:09 | preglow | that's not something we want the user to be able to do |
| 14:55:10 | bluebrother | it screams for problems |
| 14:55:18 | JdGordon | same reason as the allowing the user to bost the cpu |
| 14:55:19 | leftright | i see you closed FS 6708, because you thought it wasnlt a bug why ? |
| 14:55:20 | preglow | hear hear |
| 14:56:04 | HeSh | markun: well, for starters someting small. as i use my ipod in my car i'll make a gas consumption tracker. |
| 14:56:07 | bluebrother | because it sounds like it's caused by the posters audio files |
| 14:56:23 | leftright | i dont think so |
| 14:56:35 | bluebrother | and IMO 3 weeks are enough time to answer my question if this is true or not |
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| 14:56:42 | bluebrother | can you reproduce the issue? |
| 14:56:55 | leftright | the answers to your questions were in the orginal post |
| 14:57:09 | bluebrother | not exactly |
| 14:57:17 | JdGordon | why the heck is the IF_COP() #define the way it is and not #define IF_COP(a) a or <blank> ? |
| 14:57:19 | bluebrother | he didn't tell about the files itself, only about the tags |
| 14:57:24 | leftright | yes i can but as i said, it happens occassionally |
| 14:57:29 | bluebrother | I have a couple of audio files that don't end with silence |
| 14:57:36 | bluebrother | which would cause exactly this issue |
| 14:57:58 | leftright | so according to you its a file issue ? |
| 14:58:00 | bluebrother | and you can confirm that the files that make trouble end with silence? |
| 14:58:16 | leftright | they dont always end with silence, |
| 14:58:37 | leftright | the ones with "less music at the end get chopped |
| 14:58:44 | bluebrother | I for example have a few CDs with the tracks mixed into another |
| 14:59:00 | bluebrother | and in some cases the track markers are set improperly, i.e. they are a bit off |
| 14:59:18 | leftright | so its a tagging issue ? |
| 14:59:25 | bluebrother | so some tracks have one or two seconds of the following track, or the last seconds are part of the next track |
| 14:59:26 | leftright | i dont thinkl so |
| 14:59:35 | bluebrother | and _that_ is a problem with the original CDs |
| 14:59:39 | bluebrother | *CD. |
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| 15:00:20 | bluebrother | so my question in the comments was exactly about that: if you play _only_ the affected track, is it complete or not? |
| 15:00:31 | leftright | I think there's a problem with how nusic files which have "less" music at the end are read by rockbox |
| 15:00:51 | leftright | if I play the track on its own its complete |
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| 15:01:00 | amiconn | JdGordon: IF_COP() is a two-argument macro |
| 15:01:02 | bluebrother | ah. That's a different thing |
| 15:01:14 | bluebrother | but unfortunately the reporter didn't answer within 3 weeks |
| 15:01:19 | bluebrother | which should be enough. |
| 15:01:21 | amiconn | ...because it takes 2 arguments as seen by the preprocessor. |
| 15:01:43 | amiconn | The comma is what counts, even if there is nothing before and/or after the comma |
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| 15:01:48 | leftright | which i did state in my explanation, I said, "If the play the album ion its own its fine" |
| 15:01:54 | amiconn | IF_MV2() works the same way |
| 15:01:58 | JdGordon | amiconn: what i meant was... why not #define IF_COP2(...) __VA_ARGS__ so its completly generic and actually usable? |
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| 15:02:00 | amiconn | IF_PRIO() too |
| 15:02:23 | leftright | so blubrother, what now, are you going to reopen that bug ? |
| 15:02:31 | bluebrother | did you play the track of its _own_, i.e. as single entry in the playlist or within the complete album? |
| 15:02:37 | leftright | yes ues |
| 15:02:56 | leftright | i played it on its own AND in its album, no problems |
| 15:03:23 | bluebrother | ah. The original post only stated playing the album, not the track on its own. |
| 15:03:34 | leftright | *sighs* |
| 15:03:49 | bluebrother | and if you have files like I described they will work correctly if you play the complete album. |
| 15:04:20 | amiconn | Dunno whether that would work. Maybe the first argument needs to be suppressed explicitly? |
| 15:04:40 | bluebrother | so you have files with which you can reproduce the case, right? |
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| 15:05:09 | bluebrother | *and* playing such a file as the single entry of a playlist works fine −− am I getting you right? |
| 15:05:41 | leftright | bluebrother, nope its random with shuffle on and only seems to occur with music which has "less" music at the end i.e classical music |
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| 15:06:05 | leftright | yes, if i play that track on its own it is fine |
| 15:06:25 | JdGordon | amiconn: I think that would work fine... |
| 15:06:26 | amiconn | JdGordon: Btw, in what way isn't it usable right now? It works in svn... |
| 15:06:38 | leftright | bluebrother: and also fine if i play that track in its album with shuffle off |
| 15:06:51 | JdGordon | if I want to conditioanlly add some code, but not 3 args... |
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| 15:07:27 | JdGordon | amiconn: http://rafb.net/p/2DuAm434.html |
| 15:07:55 | bluebrother | so with "less" music you mean silence at the end? |
| 15:08:09 | markun | HeSh: how is the ipod supposed to keep track of the gas consumption? |
| 15:08:17 | leftright | yes, or near to silent |
| 15:08:55 | JdGordon | that code so doesnt work :D |
| 15:08:59 | leftright | classical music doesn't always have silence at the end of a track, but it can get less noisy |
| 15:09:37 | bluebrother | ok, task reopened. Please add as much information as you know to make this reproduceable |
| 15:09:51 | leftright | ok, thanks |
| 15:10:17 | bluebrother | the task in the previous form wasn't worded too good. Unfortunately |
| 15:10:52 | linuxstb | leftright: Isn't it simply that you don't notice it when the end of the track is silent? |
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| 15:11:09 | leftright | no, linuxstb |
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| 15:11:32 | HeSh | markun: i would manually enter traveled distance, gas loaded and gas price. i'd do that on each loadin of gas. |
| 15:11:44 | linuxstb | leftright: I just ask, because Rockbox doesn't analyse the content of the audio in any way, so I can't see how bugs can be related to audio content... |
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| 15:11:53 | HeSh | markun: i do that on my cell phone now :) |
| 15:11:55 | leftright | linuxstb: its a definate chopping of the track, no smooth transition between tracks, this only occurs with shuflle on |
| 15:12:02 | std|denis | is there any statistic on how much memory plugin can get at its run time? |
| 15:12:17 | HeSh | markun: as i said, really simple app. |
| 15:12:19 | bluebrother | leftright: can you produce a playlist that triggers this issue? |
| 15:12:31 | std|denis | maybe not "statistics" but per-device information |
| 15:12:36 | bluebrother | i.e. are there specific track that have this issue when followed directly? |
| 15:12:38 | linuxstb | lefright: Yes, I'm not denying the track is chopped. But unless I've completely misunderstood, you seem to be saying it only happens with tracks with music at the very end. |
| 15:12:39 | HeSh | markun:now, i've seen there are some menu_ functions included in the api, but i can't find any documentation for them |
| 15:13:01 | leftright | linuxstb: correct: i'll try to get a playlist with music together |
| 15:13:58 | linuxstb | leftright: So you're claiming that tracks that end in silence are never chopped? |
| 15:14:15 | leftright | basically, yes, or near to "silent" |
| 15:14:26 | markun | HeSh: I'm not sure how to use them either. Just look at other plugins for inspiration. |
| 15:14:46 | LinusN | leftright: would it be possible to give us a set of tracks that exhibit the problem? |
| 15:14:49 | leftright | ;inuxstb, correction, they are chopped, not never chopped |
| 15:15:27 | leftright | I'll try to get a playlist with the music sample together, it'll take a while though |
| 15:15:37 | LinusN | good |
| 15:15:39 | LinusN | gtg |
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| 15:15:49 | leftright | damn thing doesn't always do it on demand |
| 15:16:07 | bluebrother | that's the nature of nasty bugs ;-) |
| 15:16:18 | linuxstb | I would guess it depends how the file is buffered - i.e. certain conditions are causing this. |
| 15:16:52 | HeSh | markun: heh :) actually i already coded most of the gui for the plugin. only then i looked inside some other source code and found menu functions. |
| 15:17:06 | HeSh | is there anywhere a complete list of api functions? |
| 15:17:24 | linuxstb | apps/plugin.h and apps/plugin.c |
| 15:17:25 | leftright | linuxstb: I would imagine so, when it does happen the thing is tucked away somewhere, so i haven't been able to s[pot whether it was buffering |
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| 15:18:06 | linuxstb | leftright: But if you can find a recipe for recreating it, I'm sure that would go a long way. |
| 15:18:13 | HeSh | linuxtv: :) ofcourse. thanx. thought there is something like that API doc. |
| 15:18:22 | HeSh | but this will do |
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| 15:18:54 | leftright | linux, yep, i'll work on it over a case of beer :> |
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| 15:35:57 | leftright | JdGordon: with regards to FS 5713, i think you can close it as I cant reproduce that bug anymore |
| 15:36:37 | markun | I see that the 'LLVM Compiler Infrastructure' can generate 'portable C code' from C++ (well, from the generated LLVM bytecode). Could be useful for us if it works well. |
| 15:37:15 | B4gder | markun: well, machine-generated C from C++ is probably yucky |
| 15:37:22 | markun | B4gder: prbably :) |
| 15:37:34 | B4gder | but of course it could server as a helper |
| 15:37:37 | B4gder | serve |
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| 15:37:59 | markun | I still want to try out LLVM to see how well the ARM backend works |
| 15:38:12 | pondlife | bluebrother: The problem with shuffle getting the track length wrong.... |
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| 15:38:46 | pondlife | I wonder if this happens after >=32 tracks have been played? |
| 15:39:05 | pondlife | There's a definite bug in the track tracking. |
| 15:39:19 | pondlife | leftright: You around still? |
| 15:39:56 | markun | B4gder: the main programmers work for apple and I believe they are using it to compile the code for the iPhone (which I guess runs ARM?) |
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| 15:41:18 | leftright | yep, hello pondlife |
| 15:41:54 | pondlife | Hi. When you saw the problem, any idea if you might have had >32 tracks played (or at least buffered) by the time it misbehaved? |
| 15:42:16 | pondlife | Or did it happen early on? |
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| 15:43:15 | linuxstb | markun: Maybe suggest a SoC project to investigate LLVM and its use in Rockbox. |
| 15:43:22 | leftright | pondlife: hmm, I always have large playlists, i.e about 150 tracks, and it doesn't happen at the beggining of the playlist |
| 15:43:32 | pondlife | Are you able to compile your own builds? |
| 15:43:57 | leftright | no sorry, I dont have that setup om my pc |
| 15:44:05 | pondlife | OK, just an idea. |
| 15:44:45 | pondlife | I'd make a guess that a quick edit to playback.h could make the bug rear its head much more often :) |
| 15:44:53 | linuxstb | leftright: What do you mean by "beginning" ? i.e. how many tracks? |
| 15:45:02 | * | B4gder gets to play with a microblaze cpy in his current project |
| 15:45:19 | pondlife | Set MAX_TRACK to be 4, rather than 32 and you'll see the length go wrong regularly.. |
| 15:45:39 | pondlife | leftright: Do you have any "next track" info displayed on your WPS? |
| 15:46:25 | markun | linuxstb: perhaps better to do the investigations ourselves and do GSoC suggestions for LLVM to have m68k and sh1 backends if we decide that it's useful for rockbox |
| 15:46:51 | leftright | well, linuxstb, I haven't keep a record of exactly "when and where" it has happened, but I'll try to reproduce and retain the playlist, |
| 15:48:32 | leftright | I will compile playlist with several albums, then set it to shuffle, and every now and then , "oops where's the end of that song" ?. |
| 15:48:34 | linuxstb | markun: It's just that it sounds like quite an academic type of exercise, so could interest a computer science student... |
| 15:49:01 | B4gder | and we have no time for an initial investigation anyway before the 24th... |
| 15:50:32 | markun | I just think it would not be worth $4500 to just investigate if llvm is a option or not |
| 15:51:08 | hcs | better yet, convince them that we have the money and have them sell it to us |
| 15:52:06 | hcs | then again, I may be completely out of my mind |
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| 15:52:24 | linuxstb | markun: I think any investigation would need practical experiements - i.e. someone getting Rockbox to compile in that environment. |
| 15:52:24 | markun | can a mentor participate as a student? (not that I have time) |
| 15:52:33 | leftright | pondlfe, no I dont have next info displayed |
| 15:52:42 | linuxstb | markun: I think scorche mentioned that that wasn't possible. |
| 15:52:42 | markun | linuxstb: I'll add it to the suggestions |
| 15:53:42 | leftright | my wps is very minimilistic, 3 lines of titles, and %pb |
| 15:53:56 | linuxstb | markun: Related work would be to improve Rockbox's profiling abilities so we can measure improvements more easily. |
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| 15:54:52 | leftright | sorry, pondlfe= pondlife ^^^ |
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| 15:55:09 | * | linuxstb wonders if Rockbox could be ported to "NVIDIA Preface Technology" - http://www.nvidia.com/page/pp_preface.html (a semi-autonomous PP-based device in your laptop's lid) |
| 15:55:21 | pondlife | Thanks leftright, just wondered... |
| 15:55:27 | leftright | k |
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| 15:55:39 | markun | linuxstb: weird :) |
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| 15:58:27 | bluebrother | pondlife: so I read it that it should get the track length wrong to any playlist, regardless shuffle? |
| 15:59:23 | markun | linuxstb: what do you think? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SummerOfCode#LLVM_Compiler_Infrastructure |
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| 16:00:35 | pondlife | bluebrother: Yes, probably. |
| 16:00:50 | pondlife | It seems to be intermitent - I couldn't track it down |
| 16:00:59 | pondlife | Maybe more likely with shuffle though. |
| 16:01:17 | bluebrother | hmm. Do you need to actually play the 32 tracks or should skipping also work? |
| 16:02:11 | pondlife | I've never seen it with skipping. |
| 16:02:47 | bluebrother | ok |
| 16:02:56 | pondlife | But try it out and see if you spot oddness... normally the WPS goes wacky first (negative times etc.) Then a few tracks later it starts to end tracks early. |
| 16:03:15 | pondlife | Might only happen with tracks that are short, so you can buffer > MAX_TRACKS... |
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| 16:06:11 | bluebrother | hmm, I can only find a MAX_TRACKS define in conjunction with cuesheet support |
| 16:06:18 | pondlife | playback.h |
| 16:06:28 | pondlife | MAX_TRACK IIRC |
| 16:06:39 | pondlife | Set to 32 if there's lots of RAM, 8 otherwise |
| 16:07:23 | bluebrother | ah −− it's MAX_TRACK for playback, and MAX_TRACKS for cuesheet ... |
| 16:07:29 | pondlife | Yep |
| 16:07:43 | bluebrother | maybe not the best naming for the cuesheet max value |
| 16:07:51 | pondlife | Last time I looked into this it was pre-cuesheet support |
| 16:08:12 | pondlife | Also I've never been able to repro on the sim. It's somewhat timing dependent. |
| 16:08:27 | pondlife | (And I don't have a working player at the moment.) |
| 16:08:30 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Agreed - MAX_SUBTRACKS would probably be more applicable, as that's how they're considered. |
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| 16:09:35 | bluebrother | I would have suggested MAX_CUE_TRACKS or similar but as long as it's clearly enough I'm fine with any name ;) |
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| 16:13:50 | linuxstb | bluebrother: It's just that hopefully the cuesheet feature will evolve to support other types of subtracks. |
| 16:14:44 | bluebrother | right ... I hope cuesheet to become a good subtrack support at some point. |
| 16:14:56 | bluebrother | subtrack support on sid file f.e. is a bit ... strange. |
| 16:15:59 | linuxstb | I know. I think the problem with SID though is that we don't know track lengths, so the progress-bar "tick marks" can't be drawn. |
| 16:16:33 | bluebrother | I still have the idea of tracks showing up as individual items in the playlist |
| 16:16:40 | bluebrother | playlist viewer even |
| 16:16:55 | linuxstb | I think there are two separate concepts - subtracks and multiple-tracks-in-one-file. |
| 16:17:48 | bluebrother | yes −− I'm in favor of the 2nd one for displaying in the playlist view |
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| 16:21:00 | markun | interesting project which might making codec porting a bit simpler for us: http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/FixedPointArithmetic |
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| 16:21:45 | crop | Whaaat? FS #6863 is still not fixed? I don't beleive my eyes. I thought such bugs get fixed within minutes in RB. The DAP is locked! |
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| 16:22:04 | markun | preglow: what do you think about it? |
| 16:22:05 | bluebrother | some minutes can get really long ... |
| 16:23:44 | B4gder | crop: so, now that you've made your point you can proceed and fix it! ;-) |
| 16:24:41 | B4gder | I don't see anyone responding to jdgordon's patch |
| 16:25:04 | markun | B4gder: maybe I should. I had the problem for the first time yesterday |
| 16:25:12 | B4gder | hehe |
| 16:26:14 | markun | I wonder why JdGordon didn't just commit the patch if it fixes the problem (unless he was unable to reproduce it in the first place) |
| 16:26:36 | bluebrother | I tried the patch and told JdGordon ... it's more a quick fix than a proper one |
| 16:26:57 | bluebrother | for example at the end of the playlist the 'nothing to resume' splash comes up |
| 16:27:20 | pondlife | Isn't there another patch now? |
| 16:28:12 | pondlife | i.e. that was reported as a problem of fml2's patch. |
| 16:28:51 | bluebrother | fml's patch on the issue prevents the lockup but doesn't address the bouncing issue |
| 16:29:12 | pondlife | What about JDGordon's patch? |
| 16:29:17 | markun | I hate working around bugs instead of fixing them |
| 16:29:47 | pondlife | Indeed. It seems odd that the "Nothing to resume" code should be invoked at all here.. |
| 16:30:45 | bluebrother | JdGordon's patch works around the issue. Still it doesn't look like a real solution to me |
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| 16:31:12 | bluebrother | but it might be good to commit it for now −− blind users might get quite some trouble with the current state |
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| 16:33:50 | * | pondlife tightes his tin foil hat |
| 16:34:27 | crop | bluebrother: I think a workaround should be committed asap. I've forgotten when I had that sort of lock up for the last time. This is a great quality fall for RB IMHO. A proper fix may follow, but for now a workaround should be committed. |
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| 16:36:09 | markun | Siltaar: are you there? |
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| 16:55:20 | preglow | markun: cool, that |
| 16:55:29 | preglow | markun: but i'm looking forward to seeing how the generated code will be |
| 16:55:39 | preglow | markun: if we try to use saturated arithmetic on our arm, for example |
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| 16:55:47 | preglow | markun: it'll probably end up slow as hell thanks to no hardware support |
| 16:56:14 | markun | hopefully not |
| 16:56:30 | SEppl_ | read this before speaking? .. |
| 16:56:53 | markun | SEppl_: what? |
| 16:57:21 | preglow | markun: don't see how it can't, though, the only way to saturate the native arm4t 64 bit ops is to do a ton of comparing, i don't see how c level language changes can fix that |
| 16:57:22 | SEppl_ | well now im afraid of asking my question |
| 16:57:44 | preglow | just ask |
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| 16:58:56 | SEppl_ | i did something wrong by installing rockbox on my ipod mini 4gb generation 2 and now im not able to put the apple firmware on it.. would be great if someone could help me |
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| 17:00:40 | markun | preglow: it should at least be faster than float emulation, right? |
| 17:01:00 | SEppl_ | the ipod screen says: error! can't load rockbox.ipod file not found |
| 17:02:02 | SEppl_ | windows doesnt show up the ipod, and so does itunes |
| 17:03:35 | markun | SEppl_: there is a key combination to go into disk mode, but I don't know it |
| 17:04:05 | linuxstb | SEppl_: Is anything displayed on the screen after that message? |
| 17:05:06 | SEppl_ | .. ok.. i fixed it.. grml.. its pretty hard to press that combination.. i tried it the half an hour but now it works.. |
| 17:05:11 | SEppl_ | anyway thank you |
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| 17:09:04 | scorche | markun: http://code.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=60285&topic=10730 |
| 17:09:44 | markun | scorche: ok, makes sense |
| 17:14:38 | preglow | markun: oh yes, but miles slower than doing it with asm |
| 17:15:36 | linuxstb | Would those gcc changes enable native emac support? Would that even be useful? |
| 17:18:02 | preglow | well, if someone codes an emac backend for it, sure |
| 17:18:18 | preglow | but but i don't know how much use i think we'll have for it |
| 17:18:48 | preglow | but if it works nice, it'll be great |
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| 17:25:42 | SEppl_ | ok.. another problem occured.. maybe im just to stupid.. probably i am! i extracted the .rockbox file into the root directory, and startet the ipodpatcher.exe as said in the manual |
| 17:26:18 | SEppl_ | when i restart the ipod only the apple icon occures.. not the rockbox icon as it should |
| 17:26:19 | pondlife | root directory? |
| 17:26:28 | pondlife | Try the .rockbox directory. |
| 17:26:38 | SEppl_ | ? |
| 17:27:08 | pondlife | Ah, might depend on which bootloader you're using... I'm not an iPod user :( |
| 17:27:15 | pondlife | Well try it anyway! |
| 17:27:20 | SEppl_ | how do you mean? |
| 17:27:48 | SEppl_ | the root is the ipod directory .. i extracted it into e:/ as said in the manual |
| 17:28:53 | SEppl_ | in it there is .rockbox, calendars, notes , contacts ipod_control |
| 17:29:10 | scorche | SEppl_: so what does the device do?...does it just sit at the apple icon or at least some text goes through? |
| 17:30:02 | SEppl_ | when i restart it says the same error as before :error! can't load rockbox.ipod file not found |
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| 17:30:20 | SEppl_ | pres select+menu and select+play/pause to change into disc mode.. |
| 17:30:22 | scorche | what are you using to extract the file? |
| 17:30:33 | SEppl_ | winzip |
| 17:31:16 | scorche | ack...i need to hurry to a clients....someone else will help you if you are patient =) |
| 17:31:30 | SEppl_ | well im doing my best :D |
| 17:32:33 | linuxstb | SEppl_: If you look inside the .rockbox folder, is there a file called rockbox.ipod? |
| 17:32:48 | SEppl_ | no |
| 17:33:11 | linuxstb | Ah, that's the problem then... What does .rockbox contain? |
| 17:33:37 | linuxstb | There should be a set of sub-folders in there - wps, fonts, rocks, codecs etc, as well as a rockbox.ipod file. |
| 17:33:54 | linuxstb | And all those sub-folders should have various things inside. |
| 17:34:15 | SEppl_ | there are subfolders |
| 17:34:16 | SEppl_ | yea |
| 17:34:23 | SEppl_ | but im missing a rockbox.ipod file |
| 17:35:16 | linuxstb | Did you download the rockbox ZIP file from the "Current Builds" page? |
| 17:35:36 | SEppl_ | yepp |
| 17:35:42 | SEppl_ | the newest |
| 17:36:09 | linuxstb | OK, I'm just downloading it now. |
| 17:36:35 | linuxstb | The zip file definitely contains that file. |
| 17:37:35 | SEppl_ | i see |
| 17:37:41 | SEppl_ | strange |
| 17:37:48 | SEppl_ | ill extract it again.. |
| 17:38:51 | linuxstb | Also, are you safely disconnecting your ipod from your computer, or just pulling the cable out? |
| 17:39:27 | SEppl_ | pulling ou ..? |
| 17:39:32 | SEppl_ | ! |
| 17:39:53 | SEppl_ | ok now its in.. should i restart now? |
| 17:40:06 | linuxstb | You should now "safely disconnect". |
| 17:43:39 | SEppl_ | and then restart |
| 17:43:52 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 17:44:05 | SEppl_ | i hate that key combination.. ^^ |
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| 17:44:52 | SEppl_ | yeaa , it works :D thank ya verry mutch |
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| 18:02:19 | SEppl_ | thank you guys, espacially for programming rockbox.. there should be more people like you! serious! |
| 18:02:20 | SEppl_ | by |
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| 18:11:10 | ScHlAuChi | hello |
| 18:11:48 | ScHlAuChi | just a short question - i updated my iriver H140 to a recent rockbox build and i always get a "Codec failure" error no matter what i want to play |
| 18:11:58 | ScHlAuChi | is there anything i do wrong? |
| 18:16:04 | amar | ScHlAuChi:I would just try to download everything again make sure the .rockbox folder is replaced |
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| 18:17:04 | perpleXa | any news on the 2G nanos? |
| 18:18:18 | amar | ScHlAuChi: the rockbox.iriver file has recently moved into the .rockbox folder so the one in the root folder should be remove |
| 18:19:00 | Siltaar | markun... yep |
| 18:19:14 | Siltaar | I was in a free software conference at school... |
| 18:20:19 | ScHlAuChi | amar: oh i see - so i just move the rockbox.iriver startup file into the rockbox folder and it should work? |
| 18:20:22 | bluebrother | ScHlAuChi: you need to make sure to update the complete build, not only the rockbox.iriver file |
| 18:20:25 | Siltaar | I'm a bit disappointed not to see Moos since 2 weeks... |
| 18:20:32 | bluebrother | and remove the old rockbox.iriver from the root |
| 18:20:55 | markun | Siltaar: I've seen him yesterday even I think |
| 18:20:55 | ScHlAuChi | hmm doesnt that require a firmware update too? |
| 18:21:15 | ScHlAuChi | if the rockbox.iriver is now in a new folder - doesnt the firmware need to tell where it is? |
| 18:21:17 | markun | Siltaar: did you talk to him about your new changes the the french language file? |
| 18:21:25 | Siltaar | yes |
| 18:21:31 | markun | was it ok to commit? |
| 18:21:40 | Siltaar | yes |
| 18:21:42 | Siltaar | in fact, it's nearly |
| 18:21:56 | markun | nearly what? |
| 18:21:59 | Siltaar | only what we could save from my primar patch... |
| 18:22:28 | Siltaar | And I wait to "meet" him again to discuss more delicate points |
| 18:22:39 | Siltaar | so this time, ne reverts |
| 18:22:44 | Siltaar | I promise ^_^ |
| 18:23:40 | Siltaar | Now, time to go home... |
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| 18:37:33 | bluebrother | ScHlAuChi: no, unless your bootloader is really old. |
| 18:37:49 | bluebrother | v5 looks already looks into the new location |
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| 18:38:28 | ScHlAuChi | yeah just figured it out |
| 18:38:32 | ScHlAuChi | had to patch my firmware |
| 18:39:00 | bluebrother | you can of course move the file to its old location by hand |
| 18:39:10 | ScHlAuChi | now it works - so my firmware was still pointing to the old bootloader location |
| 18:39:16 | ScHlAuChi | abyway thanks :) |
| 18:39:24 | bluebrother | and in case you are interested, after roloing the new build you can also flash the bootloader from Rockbox |
| 18:39:40 | bluebrother | but that requires the unreleased v7 bootloader |
| 18:40:21 | ScHlAuChi | i have patience;) |
| 18:40:50 | bluebrother | that's always a good thing ;-) |
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| 18:41:50 | ScHlAuChi | ive been waiting for *.mod support for a long time too - so im used to it;) |
| 18:44:06 | ScHlAuChi | anyway great work rockbox team - bye :) |
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| 18:55:05 | sevenwords | Hi could someone give me permissions on the Twiki? I just registered and would like to upload my WPS for the Toshiba Gigabeat F. |
| 18:55:52 | markun | sevenwords: done |
| 18:56:05 | sevenwords | Thanks! |
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| 19:12:12 | amiconn | wow |
| 19:12:28 | amiconn | At least this replacement drive is really quiet :) |
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| 19:15:50 | amiconn | euhm |
| 19:16:14 | amiconn | My H1x0 just crashed with PANIC: Blocking violation B->T |
| 19:16:21 | amiconn | Slasheri? |
| 19:17:25 | Slasheri | uh, that's bad. maybe something to do with jhMikeS recent kernel changes |
| 19:18:16 | amiconn | Build is roughly equal to svn r12874 |
| 19:19:00 | Slasheri | it means that a mutex/queue already has a thread blocked with timeout and now trying to put another blocked thread to that list without timeout |
| 19:19:18 | Slasheri | those can't be mixed |
| 19:19:33 | amiconn | I wonder why that happened |
| 19:19:54 | amiconn | I wasn't even listening to muisc, it happened just after pulling usb |
| 19:20:15 | amiconn | (and I didn't listen to music at all since boot) |
| 19:20:29 | Slasheri | hmm |
| 19:20:48 | amiconn | (misused my H180 as a backup medium today) |
| 19:22:02 | jhMikeS | oy, just checking IRC before I've got to drive someone to the airport. Will have a look when back but nothing in principle should have changed for sync queues. If it did it's a stupid bug I'll get right on. |
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| 19:23:15 | * | amiconn first has to get his main working machine up & running again :/ |
| 19:23:46 | scorche` | well then...it looks like we should have the PP battery life issue resolved soon: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9490.msg73130#msg73130 |
| 19:23:59 | scorche` | with him on the job, it will get fixed for sure! |
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| 19:25:22 | jhMikeS | Thread return values were always intended to be per thread, not per message...they must be. The stacked ones were a convenience but not needed. bbl. |
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| 19:28:00 | nls | scorche`: :-P |
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| 19:35:49 | Slasheri | preglow: btw, the problem why your nano crashed could have been that the voice codec was incorrectly put on CPU and not the COP |
| 19:36:45 | Slasheri | i just adapted my code for jhMikeS's improved sync queues and testing some more |
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| 19:42:51 | preglow | Slasheri: don't use voice |
| 19:43:03 | preglow | Slasheri: haven't even got a file on it |
| 19:43:26 | Slasheri | but it might still have caused it, at least i had problems with that too |
| 19:43:50 | Slasheri | however, there are still some other issues left too |
| 19:44:17 | preglow | small wonder |
| 19:44:21 | preglow | probably plenty more :) |
| 19:44:27 | Slasheri | hehe :D |
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| 19:49:03 | PaulJam | hi, a little question: is it intended, that if you press AB(Menu) in the wps and then stop playback in the rockbox main menu and then press AB again, that this resumes playback? |
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| 19:57:23 | PaulJam | and another question about the german translation: what do you think about renaming the "now playing "entry in the main menu to "Aktuelle Wiedergabe" instead of "Spielt gerade"? |
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| 20:02:10 | bluebrother | has anyone objections against rejecting FS #6889? |
| 20:03:41 | Llorean | bluebrother: Yes. It's too late, I was doing it right before you asked. :) |
| 20:04:27 | bluebrother | hehe. |
| 20:04:34 | bluebrother | I could close it a second time ;-) |
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| 20:05:05 | JavaMan22 | bluebrother want to play my game? |
| 20:05:11 | JavaMan22 | the lobby is back up |
| 20:05:22 | bluebrother | so I couldn't add my "useless" comment :'-( |
| 20:05:24 | bluebrother | hehe |
| 20:05:29 | bluebrother | JavaMan22: what game? |
| 20:05:29 | | Quit BigMac (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 20:05:37 | JavaMan22 | the game i wanted to show you before |
| 20:05:40 | JavaMan22 | in java |
| 20:05:54 | bluebrother | show me before? Seems I missed it. |
| 20:06:07 | bluebrother | some java applet that runs in the browser? |
| 20:06:15 | | Part Llorean |
| 20:06:17 | JavaMan22 | no |
| 20:06:19 | JavaMan22 | its a java app |
| 20:06:23 | JavaMan22 | in a .jar |
| 20:06:29 | bluebrother | ah. ok. |
| 20:06:37 | JavaMan22 | http://conflictonline.net/ |
| 20:08:14 | bluebrother | hmm. Seems it doesn't like my java installation |
| 20:08:39 | JavaMan22 | ? |
| 20:08:46 | JavaMan22 | it needs at least 1.5 |
| 20:08:55 | JavaMan22 | because i use nanoTime |
| 20:09:23 | bluebrother | ah. Sorry, but I won't update my installation just for trying ... |
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| 20:09:34 | JavaMan22 | ok |
| 20:09:47 | bluebrother | I know one can do nice apps with java. But I still don't like the language. That's all (mostly ;-) |
| 20:10:06 | bluebrother | eclipse is a great app. If it just wouldn't need so much memory |
| 20:11:22 | JavaMan22 | :) |
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| 21:10:42 | webguest99 | I have a question |
| 21:11:46 | webguest99 | if the batter capacity of the 5th gen 30 Gb iPod video says 400mAh but rockbox has it set to 1300mAh, wont this cause a problem? |
| 21:13:02 | nls | nope |
| 21:13:43 | nls | it's only used to display te estimated battery runtime left, which doesn't work too well on most targets anyway |
| 21:14:35 | webguest99 | I would guess that if rockbox was able to set this to the proper setting then maybe battery life would last a bit longer? |
| 21:14:51 | amiconn | nls: s/most/certain/ |
| 21:15:20 | nls | amiconn: does it work well on any swcodec players? |
| 21:15:44 | nls | webguest99: no, it is just used to calucate the displayed value, as the manual says |
| 21:16:02 | amiconn | On H1x0 it works reasonable |
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| 21:16:19 | nls | amiconn: it tells me I have about 8 hours on a full charge on my h300 but I can get about 13 out of it |
| 21:16:29 | amiconn | H1x0, not H300 |
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| 21:17:34 | nls | yeah, I saw what you wrote I just assumed they had about equally adapted discharge info, guess i was wrong ;-) |
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| 21:18:12 | amiconn | The discharge info is correct, but the current values for H300 are too high |
| 21:18:25 | amiconn | They are from before the ISP1362 sleep fix |
| 21:18:55 | nls | well, it's kind of difficult for the swcodec platforms with different codecs having a big influense... |
| 21:19:13 | amiconn | It's an estimation |
| 21:19:20 | Moos | Hi, iaudios are probably ones of the poor precision on setimation |
| 21:20:14 | * | Moos count on the plenty of runtime datas of amiconn for correct this ;-) |
| 21:20:16 | amiconn | Moos: Yes, the X5/M5 discharge curve is rather "strange"; doesn't reflect reality from 0 runtime tests |
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| 21:20:50 | nls | amiconn: I just mean that the estimation is so difficult to get right that it nears the limit of usefulnes IMO (I seem to remember a difference of about 5 hours runtime on mp3 versus vorbis on h300) |
| 21:21:03 | Moos | aiconn: with all data you have, do you have something better that svn version? |
| 21:21:09 | Moos | amiconn |
| 21:21:27 | amiconn | Not yet |
| 21:21:49 | * | amiconn needs to restore his main working machine first |
| 21:22:18 | * | Moos is reasurring by the "yet" |
| 21:22:29 | Moos | aie :( hardware probems? |
| 21:22:37 | * | amiconn hates X-Chat by now |
| 21:22:40 | XavierGr | amiconn: failed disk? |
| 21:23:00 | amiconn | XavierGr: Yes. Fortunately it wasn't completely dead so that I could backup the data |
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| 21:23:22 | * | Moos is using X chat 2 and like it :-) |
| 21:23:37 | amiconn | But hundreds of failed sector reads in the event log... |
| 21:23:46 | XavierGr | amiconn: so you are bored to install again applications and stuff? |
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| 21:23:54 | Moos | :-( |
| 21:24:16 | amiconn | At least the new disk, is faster, much quieter and twice as large |
| 21:24:37 | Moos | that"s always the avantage with replacing defectives devices |
| 21:24:51 | * | Moos know the feeling with his new laptop |
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| 21:25:34 | XavierGr | an hd failure with sensitive data is the worst thing that can happen :\ |
| 21:25:41 | XavierGr | (and not having a backup of course) |
| 21:25:48 | Moos | indeed :( |
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| 21:28:18 | amiconn | One disadvantage of x-chat compared to hydra is that you can't watch the channel while chatting in another, or in a query window |
| 21:28:54 | scorche | i tried hydra today...it has some nice features...but its interface reminds me too much of mirc |
| 21:29:30 | Moos | used hydra in the past here too, and prefer a bit x-chat |
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| 21:31:01 | Moos | simplicity ;) |
| 21:31:58 | Moos | while I can catch you, a litle question for you preglow... |
| 21:32:11 | preglow | go ahead |
| 21:34:09 | Moos | long time I don't use my iriver, but aren't the basses (in hardware that support iit natively) supposed to discrease when you volume up? |
| 21:35:03 | Moos | cause with the software tone controller, we have to manually discrease the volume or the basses for don't have cliping like mad |
| 21:35:24 | preglow | you mean the bass setting is supposed to lower itself when you turn the volume too loud? |
| 21:35:27 | preglow | if so: no |
| 21:35:31 | preglow | clipping is allowed now |
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| 21:36:09 | Moos | don't remenber why with iriver, I thought that the basses discrease when you turn volume up |
| 21:36:30 | SirFunk | is tehre any reason rockbox on my iriver HP-20 takes forever to change directories (up to 10 seconds) |
| 21:36:31 | preglow | software tone controls should behave exactly like the hardware one: if you have enough left on the volume setting, it should prescale so that the bass won't clip |
| 21:36:40 | preglow | but if your volume is too loud for that, it'll just clip |
| 21:36:59 | amiconn | Moos: It has been that way in the beginning, but this behaviour was removed a long time ago... |
| 21:37:12 | Moos | ah ok :(( |
| 21:37:20 | preglow | i think it's :)) |
| 21:37:30 | Moos | I missed the changes |
| 21:37:35 | Moos | hehe :) |
| 21:37:37 | preglow | they happened a looong time ago |
| 21:37:38 | amiconn | A year or so |
| 21:37:43 | preglow | anyway |
| 21:37:54 | preglow | if you have -12 db volume, then you can boost bass 12 db before you get clipping |
| 21:38:15 | preglow | well, it depends on max volume. if max volume is 6 dB, then you can get 18 dB bass boost before you get clipping |
| 21:40:10 | Moos | when I put my x5 on stereo equipement, for not clipping I have to lower a lot the basses for not kill my ears with cliping, generally need to put flat and add bosst on the stereo equipement |
| 21:40:51 | perl|work | hmm |
| 21:40:51 | perl|work | http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/03/22/1218238 |
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| 21:42:08 | Moos | preglow: but what is the advantage to had remove the automatic basses lowering? sorry my ignorance ,P |
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| 21:44:31 | webguest56 | hi, does recording work with ipod nano? How do I connect a mic, the headphone port? |
| 21:45:03 | scorche | webguest56: through the line in pins on the dock port |
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| 21:46:07 | webguest56 | ooo, you mean solder iron kind of stuff? Is there a more elegant method? |
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| 21:46:29 | scorche | get a premade line in dock |
| 21:47:55 | webguest56 | like a Belkin Universal Mic Adapter for iPod ? |
| 21:48:29 | nls | scorche: is it confirmed working on nano? |
| 21:48:42 | scorche | nls: someone on the forums confirmed |
| 21:48:45 | webguest56 | oh, hang on, no |
| 21:49:47 | webguest56 | I haven't been able to find a mic for the nano v1 |
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| 22:04:08 | linuxstb | Llorean: Just to let you know that sansapatcher is now "live" - I've updated the SansaE200Install wiki page. |
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| 22:05:34 | Llorean | linuxstb: Good to hear. |
| 22:06:13 | Bagder | cool |
| 22:06:34 | donutman25 | can someone help me plz. I'm having trouble building the bootloader |
| 22:06:52 | linuxstb | Which bootloader? |
| 22:07:03 | donutman25 | sansa e200 |
| 22:07:09 | raphi | is there any possibility to get the calender on a x5 workin'? |
| 22:07:41 | linuxstb | donutman25: What's the problem? |
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| 22:09:12 | donutman25 | it keeps repeating the same same text about rd2fbinary being up to date and the make numbers go up to about 130 before it fails completely |
| 22:09:37 | donutman25 | i'm usin cygwin |
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| 22:11:05 | Llorean | raphi: The possibility is always there, yes. |
| 22:11:22 | saratoga | whats the deadline to apply for the google SOC? |
| 22:11:32 | Llorean | saratoga: 4 days? |
| 22:11:35 | Llorean | saratoga: It's soon. |
| 22:11:42 | saratoga | thats annoying |
| 22:11:51 | Bagder | march 24th |
| 22:12:00 | saratoga | i may be taking a semester off from grad school, but I won't know for a couple weeks |
| 22:12:05 | Llorean | Bagder: It says the 26th |
| 22:12:11 | Bagder | oh, then it changed |
| 22:12:18 | Llorean | Ah, cool |
| 22:12:18 | Bagder | or I misread... |
| 22:12:29 | Llorean | It may say different things in different places too, that's been known to happen. :) |
| 22:13:37 | donutman25 | nevermind, i got it to work |
| 22:15:14 | raphi | Llorean: ok, and how? Do I need to compile on my own with a patch or what? |
| 22:15:45 | Llorean | raphi: Yes, either find a patch for a calender feature, or adapt the old plugin, and compile your own build. |
| 22:16:13 | saratoga | regarding the WMA codec, how difficult is it to compile the ffmpeg one for testing? |
| 22:16:29 | saratoga | will the makefile spit out a cl decoder |
| 22:16:39 | saratoga | I'm not familar with how ffmpeg actually works |
| 22:16:46 | preglow | Moos: the advantage is that you can now yourself control the bass instead of having rockbox do it for you |
| 22:17:00 | preglow | Moos: if i KNOW the music isn't loud enough to make the bass clip, i don't want rockox to lower it for me |
| 22:17:16 | Moos | indeed |
| 22:17:27 | preglow | when i set +12 dB bass, that's what i want, not whatever rockbox decides i want |
| 22:17:32 | preglow | if it clips, i know i use too much |
| 22:18:20 | Moos | and take the responsability for your ears :) |
| 22:18:30 | preglow | saratoga: linuxstb already has coded a standalone player based on the ffmpeg one, afaik |
| 22:18:39 | preglow | saratoga: not for rockbox, though |
| 22:19:28 | saratoga | yeah |
| 22:19:28 | saratoga | do you have a link? |
| 22:19:44 | saratoga | i just want something that compiles under Windows or Linux and that I can add printfs to |
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| 22:20:13 | preglow | saratoga: i don't know, i had it, but then i had a hd crash, so now it's gone |
| 22:20:16 | preglow | you'd have to ask him |
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| 22:23:18 | cadu | yooo! you guys remember me? i was talking about getting a toshiba Fxx player (for rockboxing) and raving about not being able to find it here in Japan |
| 22:23:49 | cadu | well, seems like the tables have turned, i'll be trading my shitty player for a F21 in like a couple of hours :) |
| 22:24:00 | cadu | first thing i'll do is rockbox it :) |
| 22:24:19 | Bagder | I hear the gigabeat has a truly crappy OF |
| 22:25:24 | Llorean | I heard it does too, but as it's no longer present at all on my player, I really wouldn't know. :) |
| 22:25:25 | BigMac | Is the gigabeat x series still for sale? |
| 22:25:34 | BigMac | I can't find it on eday at all |
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| 22:26:13 | bang | How can this work? In menu.h, the macro MENUITEM_FUNCTION is defined with 7 params. But in info_menu.c, it is used with just 5 params (e.g. for show_info_item, line 280). I'm confused. Could someone explain that to me please? |
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| 22:29:44 | linuxstb | saratoga: You can have my decoder if you want, but it's still a work-in-progress (i.e. needs a lot more ffmpeg cruft removing), and is now out-of-date (based on ffmpeg from at least a year ago). |
| 22:30:02 | linuxstb | So basically we need to start again with current ffmpeg. |
| 22:30:13 | preglow | has wma changed much since then=? |
| 22:30:45 | linuxstb | There have been small changes to wma, but mainly changes in the rest of ffmpeg. |
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| 22:31:03 | webguest72 | Hello |
| 22:31:44 | webguest72 | How do I get a command to look at many variables without typing out each one? |
| 22:31:50 | webguest72 | in a shell script |
| 22:32:22 | webguest72 | say the variables are rockbox rockbox1 rockbox2 rockbox3 etc. |
| 22:32:35 | linuxstb | BigMac: The X series seem very rare, but I think they do occasionally appear on ebay. |
| 22:32:51 | webguest72 | I want to say if any of those variables are somthing then do this |
| 22:32:56 | bang | Anybody? Preprocessor experts? |
| 22:33:48 | saratoga | linuxstb: it'd still be interesting to see |
| 22:33:51 | saratoga | got a link? |
| 22:34:10 | saratoga | looking at wmadec.c in ffmpeg, I really have no idea what the decoder does |
| 22:34:23 | saratoga | you'd think who ever reverse engineered it would have put a few comments |
| 22:34:29 | cadu | Bagder, truly crappy OF? what's OF ?:P |
| 22:34:31 | saratoga | beyond FIXME |
| 22:34:39 | Bagder | cadu: Original Firmware |
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| 22:34:50 | cadu | Bagder, it sucks yeah :) |
| 22:34:51 | webguest72 | would I go if [ $rockbox[1-9] = 10 ] ? |
| 22:35:20 | webguest72 | how do I specifiy multiple varialbs? |
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| 22:35:27 | webguest72 | variables* |
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| 22:36:05 | linuxstb | saratoga: I think this is it - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/wmaplay.tgz |
| 22:36:32 | ]RowaN[ | is the installation info for rockdoom still up to date here www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom#Getting_Started ? wasnt there talk of changing the folder to /games/doom or /.rockbox/games/doom ? |
| 22:37:34 | webguest72 | no one knows how? |
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| 22:37:57 | linuxstb | webguest72: You want to use a list, rather than individual variables. i.e. $rockbox="value1 value2 value3 value", and then "for x in $rockbox ; do [something with $x] ; done" |
| 22:38:33 | webguest72 | hmm good idea |
| 22:38:52 | webguest72 | will try that out |
| 22:39:29 | Llorean | ]RowaN[: It used to be /games/doom, it was changed to /.rockbox/doom |
| 22:39:35 | | Part bang ("Hm... I'll try to figure it out myself. But it's weird. The preprocessor should complain.") |
| 22:41:00 | ]RowaN[ | ok |
| 22:42:47 | ]RowaN[ | dont suppose anyones got a tmpegenc template ideal making mpegs for the sansa? i encoded an ep of will & grace at sansa resolution but it looked badly stretched and cropped and there was no sound when i tried to play it back ='[ ... more trial and error needed perhaps |
| 22:43:19 | ]RowaN[ | did i say will & grace? i mean Lost |
| 22:44:22 | BigMac | Is there a way in C to store what the selection was in a variable |
| 22:44:38 | Bagder | what the selection was? |
| 22:44:44 | BigMac | then do different action based upon what the variable is equivalent to |
| 22:44:48 | BigMac | like in vb |
| 22:45:12 | Bagder | I don't think I've ever seen vb |
| 22:45:40 | BigMac | Bagder: Yah, like if I made a menu, and they selected the 5th item down, it could add lets say 5 to the variable a |
| 22:46:08 | BigMac | then if a=5 display the contents of a different variable |
| 22:46:29 | BigMac | Like for my first plugin, I am just making a tip calculator |
| 22:46:44 | BigMac | So you enter amount paid |
| 22:46:49 | BigMac | assigned to p |
| 22:46:57 | saratoga | if(a==5) |
| 22:47:01 | saratoga | followed by code |
| 22:47:01 | BigMac | enter tip amount |
| 22:47:07 | BigMac | ok cool |
| 22:47:18 | saratoga | use {} if its more then 1 line of code |
| 22:47:30 | webguest72 | linuxstb: how then would I say if $rockbox has a certain number in it? rather than the total phrase? |
| 22:47:42 | BigMac | and how can I take whatever the action was and assign it to the action |
| 22:48:31 | BigMac | so like if true it would divide p by lets say .1 or something |
| 22:48:37 | BigMac | then output that |
| 22:48:46 | BigMac | just as text |
| 22:48:49 | webguest72 | becasue $rockbox ends up being like = 1 2 7 18 82... how do I say if there is a 2 in that list then |
| 22:49:15 | linuxstb | What is your script doing? |
| 22:49:26 | webguest72 | compiling rockbox |
| 22:49:52 | Bagder | webguest72: loop over the values and compare them with 2 |
| 22:49:53 | webguest72 | Aims to have the ablity to choose multiple builds and then hit "go" |
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| 22:50:30 | Bagder | or possibly grep for it |
| 22:50:42 | linuxstb | So why do you need to see if 2 is in the list? Can't you just go through each item in the list, and then build Rockbox for that target (assuming that's what your number means). |
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| 22:53:07 | webguest72 | what I have so far is a script that reads values and stores them as $value .... $value1 etc. then I need a way that will look through all those values and build for each one |
| 22:53:41 | Bagder | I would append the values to the same variable instead |
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| 22:54:11 | webguest72 | so $rockbox= "$value $value1 ..." |
| 22:54:28 | Bagder | or just $rockbox = "$rockbox $newnum" in the loop asking for numbers |
| 22:55:10 | Bagder | ... or just ask for multiple numbers to start with |
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| 23:01:11 | webguest72 | ok but once I have my big list of numbers how do I get it to go through that list and build the apropriate ones. |
| 23:01:26 | Drumr | not sure if anyone here would know but is there a tool to create a DB for the ipod firmware out of music in filetree format? |
| 23:01:53 | Llorean | Drumr: That's not really Rockbox related, but there are many tools for such a thing and you might want to just search Google. |
| 23:01:56 | Stalwart | Drumr: foobar2000 with foo_pod plugin |
| 23:02:08 | Stalwart | sorry for offtopic =P |
| 23:02:24 | linuxstb | I didn't think any tool could do it - due to the limits on filename lengths imposed by Apple's database format? |
| 23:02:27 | Stalwart | 2 years ago i was huge foobar fan |
| 23:02:43 | Llorean | linuxstb: It depends on which Apple firmware version you're running. Older ones it worked with. |
| 23:02:48 | Drumr | ah, ok, i use foobar as my promary MP so that will work perfectly :-D |
| 23:03:21 | EbErT | hows amarok compared to foobar |
| 23:03:22 | Drumr | and i did search google... came up with some things that would read the ipod DB and let you play music and things of that sort |
| 23:03:25 | Stalwart | Drumr: i'm not sure if foo_pod has version for foob 0.9, i switched to linux 2 years ago and don't track foob development anymore |
| 23:03:35 | Drumr | lol, ok, i understand |
| 23:03:38 | linuxstb | Llorean: But even with older firmwares, there was a 50-or-so character limit afaik. |
| 23:03:44 | Drumr | im pretty sure its still in dev. and its updated |
| 23:03:47 | linuxstb | Newer firmwares just reduced that even further. |
| 23:03:47 | Drumr | ive seen it around |
| 23:03:58 | Stalwart | EbErT: amarok is better out-of-box, but foob is more expandable and optimized for windows |
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| 23:05:46 | Bagder | e200tool with native i2c support is uploaded |
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| 23:07:16 | linuxstb | What does that do? |
| 23:07:24 | Drumr | maybe not, stalwart |
| 23:07:38 | Bagder | read, write, dump, program, verify i2c devices and the i2c rom |
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| 23:09:05 | Alonea | her markun, did you have any more ideas on why rockbox wont com |
| 23:09:12 | Alonea | pile. |
| 23:09:37 | Alonea | markun: stupid keyboard...sorry about typos there...been a long day |
| 23:10:49 | linuxstb | Bagder: What's the "i2c rom" ? |
| 23:11:08 | Bagder | its some kind of flash that is used by the pre-bootloader |
| 23:11:24 | Bagder | if it breaks, the sansa stops in the pre-boot mode |
| 23:11:35 | linuxstb | So it's a flash rom accessed via i2c? |
| 23:11:39 | Bagder | which is signified by it saying it is a portalplayer device |
| 23:12:02 | Bagder | linuxstb: something like that |
| 23:12:10 | Bagder | this is all MrH magic (of course) |
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| 23:12:24 | linuxstb | OK, it just all seems a bit vague to me... |
| 23:12:53 | linuxstb | But the whole PP experience is like that. |
| 23:13:24 | preglow | yes indeed |
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| 23:18:50 | linuxstb | preglow: Do you know if "sample = *(p++) >> 13;" is the correct way to convert libmad's output to 16-bit? (this is in mpegplayer). I _think_ someone is complaining in the forums about clipping. |
| 23:19:48 | linuxstb | (p is int32_t* - the output of libmad - and sample is int16_t) |
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| 23:21:06 | preglow | linuxstb: correct way, yes, but you should clamp the output too |
| 23:21:48 | preglow | linuxstb: libmad output is s3.28, so what you're basically doing is tossing away the integer bits and only keeping the frac bits, which is good if the signal doesn't overflow, but it often does |
| 23:22:09 | preglow | linuxstb: and you're also shifting, of course |
| 23:23:15 | linuxstb | So what should it look like? |
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| 23:23:39 | preglow | output = *(p++) >> 13; if (output > 32767) output = 32767; else if (output < -32768) output = -32768 |
| 23:23:42 | preglow | something like that |
| 23:24:02 | preglow | output being an int/long |
| 23:24:07 | n17ikh|Lappy | hello folks |
| 23:24:22 | n17ikh|Lappy | I just installed rockbox on my iriver H10, good stuff. |
| 23:24:30 | preglow | we tend to agree |
| 23:24:33 | countrymike | quick question... if i want to upgrade rockbox can I just copy over/replace the rockbox.ipod file or do i need to copy over the entire .rockbox directory? |
| 23:24:43 | preglow | countrymike: entire directory |
| 23:24:58 | countrymike | so i need to backup any specific themes i have, etc... |
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| 23:25:13 | linuxstb | preglow: OK, I think I'm following. Thanks. |
| 23:25:27 | preglow | countrymike: well, copying over the .rockbox dir doesn't erase the previous contents. it just updates what's there |
| 23:25:44 | countrymike | preglow, ok, thanks. |
| 23:25:46 | n17ikh|Lappy | is there a way of making rockbox use UMS mode when connected via USB? |
| 23:25:50 | n17ikh|Lappy | rather than MTP |
| 23:26:02 | preglow | countrymike: and we only bundle a couple of default themes, so any additional ones you have should be safe |
| 23:26:19 | n17ikh|Lappy | I'm looking through the manual but I'm not seeing anything about it |
| 23:26:25 | preglow | n17ikh|Lappy: isn't ums that all rockbox does? |
| 23:26:25 | woodensoul | Hey guys, trying to get set up to build... |
| 23:26:49 | countrymike | preglow, yep. ok. i'm also wondering how I find out what version a new build is. |
| 23:26:53 | n17ikh|Lappy | I thought so, but apparently it's trying to be MTP |
| 23:26:57 | n17ikh|Lappy | my computer's asking for a driver |
| 23:27:04 | preglow | n17ikh|Lappy: ok, no idea, then |
| 23:27:27 | preglow | countrymike: what version a build you're running is? |
| 23:27:40 | countrymike | preglow, no, i know what i'm running. |
| 23:28:13 | woodensoul | I'm at the step where you run the 'tools/configure' script and enter what target you want to build for... |
| 23:28:16 | ]RowaN[ | has the sansa patcher win .exe been updated with the latest bootloader commit that allows usb detection? (http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200/win32/sansapatcher.exe) |
| 23:28:30 | countrymike | preglow, just not sure what i'm upgrading to, is actually an upgrade or not. but that's ok. |
| 23:28:38 | countrymike | i'm sure it is. |
| 23:28:55 | preglow | well, unless you explicitely download an older build, you are indeed upgrading |
| 23:28:59 | linuxstb | ]RowaN[: No, that bootloader isn't released yet. |
| 23:29:04 | ]RowaN[ | ok thnx |
| 23:29:05 | countrymike | preglow, cool. thanks. |
| 23:29:16 | n17ikh|Lappy | bah... why can't it be UMS :/ |
| 23:29:17 | woodensoul | I don't know how to navigate to that directory from the rockbox/build directory i just created. |
| 23:29:18 | preglow | whatever is on the current build page is the newest there is |
| 23:29:45 | n17ikh|Lappy | I guess the actual device firmware is what makes it be MTP |
| 23:29:48 | Bagder | n17ikh|Lappy: I believe there is a "UMS trick" on the h10 |
| 23:29:49 | preglow | woodensoul: navigate there? just do ../tools/configure ? |
| 23:29:52 | n17ikh|Lappy | yeah, there is |
| 23:30:04 | n17ikh|Lappy | I'd like to be able to set it up to always be UMS when on USB though |
| 23:30:09 | Arathis | n17ikh|Lappy: there is no rockbox usb support for the h10 atm |
| 23:30:15 | n17ikh|Lappy | ah, alright |
| 23:30:25 | n17ikh|Lappy | well, holding select while booting works alright |
| 23:30:39 | Arathis | it's using th original bootloader before starting the rockbox bootloader |
| 23:30:44 | n17ikh|Lappy | yeah, I assumed so |
| 23:30:55 | n17ikh|Lappy | and the original firmware is what drives the UMS mode |
| 23:31:05 | woodensoul | I typed that and got an error. |
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| 23:31:58 | woodensoul | Well I thought I did... it worked this time. Let's see how far I get now. |
| 23:34:22 | n17ikh|Lappy | am I right in assuming that wavpack will actually perform better than flac on most players? |
| 23:34:28 | woodensoul | OK, now I get an error that the compiler i must use (arm-elf-gcc) is not in my path. I remeber reading how to do that in the step where you install cygwin, but I didn't understand it. |
| 23:35:16 | preglow | n17ikh|Lappy: no |
| 23:35:21 | preglow | flac performs the best |
| 23:35:32 | preglow | n17ikh|Lappy: at least if you mean cpu usage |
| 23:35:40 | n17ikh|Lappy | I thought wavpack had been designed from the ground up to do better on risc players |
| 23:35:50 | preglow | n17ikh|Lappy: perhaps, but flac does better |
| 23:35:58 | n17ikh|Lappy | interesting. |
| 23:36:06 | preglow | and by a fairly nice margin too |
| 23:36:10 | preglow | flac is one of our very fastest codecs |
| 23:36:12 | preglow | if not the fastest |
| 23:37:24 | woodensoul | I assume I need to do this step... Edit using nano or vi (not Notepad or Wordpad in Windows) /etc/profile and add ":/opt/sh/bin:/opt/m68k/bin:/opt/arm/bin" |
| 23:38:03 | * | nls makes a cynical post in the fourms before going to bed :-) |
| 23:38:06 | thegeek | my experience is that flac is better than musepack, wavpack and monkey's audio |
| 23:38:24 | saratoga | woodensoul: yes you need to do that, or else you'll have to manually run the export command everytime you boot |
| 23:38:30 | preglow | thegeek: in what regard? you're comparing lossy and lossless codecs, there |
| 23:38:31 | Llorean | thegeek: In what way? On a computer monkey's audio could be argued to be better because it gets better compression ratios. |
| 23:38:53 | Llorean | Not to mention the inclusion of musepack which is lossy, yeah. :) |
| 23:39:05 | thegeek | preglow: I mean as lossless |
| 23:39:15 | * | amiconn thinks flac is our fastest codec for compressed formats |
| 23:39:19 | woodensoul | How do I open and edit that file with nano or vi? |
| 23:39:20 | thegeek | oh |
| 23:39:21 | thegeek | heh;P |
| 23:39:25 | amiconn | (i.e. disregarding pcm wav and aiff) |
| 23:39:31 | thegeek | disregad musepack;) |
| 23:39:32 | preglow | amiconn: i'm fairly certain of that myself |
| 23:39:34 | thegeek | disregard* |
| 23:39:38 | Llorean | thegeek: "as lossless" doesn't mean anything, you still need a basis of comparison. |
| 23:40:05 | Llorean | amiconn: I remember hearing of a test where it didn't need to boost at 24mhz on H100, I thought. |
| 23:40:11 | thegeek | I'm not saying my opinion matters all that much, but my practical experience is that flac is better;P |
| 23:40:30 | Llorean | Better doesn't _mean_ anything, without a "better in X manner" |
| 23:40:36 | thegeek | I'm getting to it;P |
| 23:40:40 | n17ikh|Lappy | thank god for finally replacing my mp3 cd player. |
| 23:40:56 | n17ikh|Lappy | I've moved into the DAP world at last :/ |
| 23:41:08 | preglow | tomal's vorbis patches lower boost ratio 10% for a 145kbps vorbis file i have here |
| 23:41:11 | preglow | we really should commit this stuf |
| 23:41:16 | thegeek | perhaps primarily because the few albums I had in wavpack were slow to seek |
| 23:41:25 | thegeek | and also a bit slow to "start" playback |
| 23:41:41 | preglow | endianness issue, hrm |
| 23:42:07 | amiconn | wavpack definitely needs more cpu power than flac. Far more on coldfire at least |
| 23:42:31 | thegeek | ah |
| 23:43:16 | n17ikh|Lappy | portalplayer is an arm chip, right? |
| 23:43:23 | n17ikh|Lappy | er, two |
| 23:43:38 | Bagder | portalplayer is a company that makes chips |
| 23:43:42 | n17ikh|Lappy | yeah |
| 23:43:52 | n17ikh|Lappy | the portalplayer 5020, rather. |
| 23:43:54 | Bagder | but the PP models in the players have two ARM cores |
| 23:44:23 | n17ikh|Lappy | k, just checking |
| 23:44:42 | saratoga | basically the 50xx chips are a pair of slowish arm cores coupled with a lot of troublesome other hardware |
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| 23:44:54 | saratoga | and a fair amount of embedded ram |
| 23:45:09 | n17ikh|Lappy | I'm surprised something that slow can actually play lossless |
| 23:45:29 | n17ikh|Lappy | I guess there's not much OS overhead |
| 23:45:37 | amiconn | Lossless is easier to decode than lossy (well, at least that's true for flac and shorten) |
| 23:45:45 | n17ikh|Lappy | as opposed to say, windows mobile |
| 23:45:53 | preglow | shorten really doesn't do much |
| 23:45:58 | preglow | flac too is very easy to process |
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| 23:46:02 | preglow | it does nearly nothing |
| 23:46:06 | | Nick gentoo is now known as sbeh (i=sbeh@serverstaff.de) |
| 23:46:21 | Bagder | n17ikh|Lappy: its rather the opposite, windows ce is slow |
| 23:46:31 | n17ikh|Lappy | that's what I was implying |
| 23:46:47 | n17ikh|Lappy | there's not much OS overhead on the players because the OS is lightweight |
| 23:46:53 | nls | preglow: I tested tomals patch on my h300 and all vorbis musci turned into horrible noise... the endianness issue was just a guess :-) |
| 23:47:17 | n17ikh|Lappy | but on CE, it seems like you can't hardly do anything |
| 23:47:41 | n17ikh|Lappy | I haven't found a decent audio or video player yet for CE/ARM |
| 23:48:05 | n17ikh|Lappy | doesn't matter much though, I have rockbox now >_> |
| 23:49:56 | preglow | nls: yeah, i'm testing now |
| 23:50:05 | preglow | and having a look to see if i can see a bug |
| 23:50:33 | * | Llorean wonders how battery life is on the iFP |
| 23:51:08 | * | jhMikeS suspects he found a big problem with the scheduler and having IRQs wake threads when posting to queues |
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| 23:52:27 | cadu | AT LAST! |
| 23:52:36 | * | cadu is holding his traded gigabeat f21! |
| 23:53:06 | markun | cadu: traded for what? |
| 23:53:14 | OLaSparO | hello, I got a problem with my iPod with rockbox, I tried to change the language, but when I pushed my language it started showing "loading..." and it hasnt stopped doing that since, so what should I do? it seems freezed in this position, it doesnt react on any buttons |
| 23:53:18 | cadu | Cowon iAudio U2 + 80 USD |
| 23:53:41 | * | preglow reminds Bagder of the website left menu issue when viewing an ml post |
| 23:53:44 | markun | cadu: happy with the f21? |
| 23:53:47 | nls | I love the guy in the fourms that is going to make a cable to connect his sansa to the internet :-D |
| 23:54:00 | cadu | markun, just got my hands on it |
| 23:54:05 | Bagder | ah right, I'll look into that tomorrow |
| 23:54:07 | cadu | still have to rockbox it |
| 23:54:12 | nls | OLaSparO: hold MENU+SELECT til it resets |
| 23:54:12 | Bagder | my bed is calling for me now |
| 23:54:22 | cadu | but will have to go to work now, no time....ah dammmit :* |
| 23:54:39 | * | nls goes to bed for real now too, night fellows |
| 23:54:39 | markun | cadu: good luck with it |
| 23:54:46 | | Part nls |
| 23:54:54 | cadu | markun, thanks, by the way it's way lighter than i expected |
| 23:55:04 | preglow | haha |
| 23:55:11 | cadu | wow, 20 gb on the palm of my hand, i think i'm getting older and thinking this is rocket science :P |
| 23:55:19 | cadu | i still remember my China 256mb player! |
| 23:55:20 | preglow | vorbis sounds like a study in imdct glitching with this patch |
| 23:55:50 | preglow | cadu: i remember the feeling from when i got my h120 |
| 23:55:55 | preglow | a marvelous days it was |
| 23:56:05 | cadu | by the way i turned it on |
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| 23:56:12 | cadu | the OF really SUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS |
| 23:56:15 | markun | preglow: same here :) |
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| 23:56:30 | cadu | it's LAGGY and has this 97" feeling (all colorful, just because it can) |
| 23:56:45 | markun | preglow: the same day I met HCl btw.. |
| 23:57:17 | preglow | hrm, can't remember how long since it was for me |
| 23:57:21 | preglow | two years? |
| 23:57:23 | preglow | feels like more |
| 23:57:30 | preglow | gotta be more than that |
| 23:57:30 | n17ikh|Lappy | so on the iriver, does rocbox treat the slider as two buttons?\ |
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| 23:57:38 | preglow | yeah, more than that for sure, three |
| 23:57:39 | n17ikh|Lappy | rockbox* |
| 23:58:01 | n17ikh|Lappy | because it sort of feels that way |
| 23:58:12 | linuxstb | preglow: Did you buy it before you discovered Rockbox? |
| 23:58:32 | Llorean | I bought my H120 semi-before I discovered Rockbox. |
| 23:58:42 | Llorean | I bought it before Rockbox was working on a port for it. |
| 23:58:51 | Llorean | But I mistakenly thought they were. |
| 23:58:58 | Arathis | n17ikh|Lappy: yes, atm. there are some complications finding and handling the right events to make it a real touchstrip |
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