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#rockbox log for 2007-03-24

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00:09:23toffe82for the persons who speak thai , this seems to be a good study on the different chip used on different player, sorry I could not find a translator for this ;)
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00:17:06JavaMan22does anyone have a cool plugin for ipod video :D
00:17:12JavaMan22any new games :D
00:17:33Soaprocklife can be compiled. The source in the patch tracker is up-to-date.
00:17:46JavaMan22do i have to change other files?
00:17:55JavaMan22or is it just by itself
00:18:58Soapadd it to SOURCES in the plugins directory before compiling.
00:19:14scorche`if the patch doesnt do that itself
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00:20:03JavaMan22btw i was going to download that movie: Elephants Dream
00:20:05Soapthe old version didn't/
00:20:11JavaMan22but i dont know which file to download
00:20:22Soappick the one based upon the resolution of your screen.
00:21:07JavaMan22ipod video = 320 px?
00:25:58JavaMan22wat is
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00:42:42JavaMan22i cant compile pegbox.c :(
00:42:58Bawitdabadid rockbox come out for 80gb ipod yet? i only ask cuz i just got one hehe
00:43:13Bawitdabathis ipod is awsome dunno why it took me so long to get 1
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00:55:37pirokoIs there anyone in here who is working specifically on the iRiver IFP-790 port?
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01:01:01pixelmapiroko: AFAIK tomal is the only dev so far but very seldom around here
01:01:27pirokoAlright. Thank you. I was just gonna see if there's anything I could help with because I have one of those bad boys
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01:13:07pixelmapiroko: maybe you can contact him via the dev mailing list (he posts there every now and then)
01:13:25pirokoAlright. Thanks again
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01:22:43*linuxstb wonders why mpegplayer can't create the video thread in the sim
01:24:20saratogais there anyone here whos familar with the Summer of Code application process?
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01:25:29linuxstbI'm vaguely familiar... What's your question.
01:26:06tinaanyone know if a USB (to connect to PC) cable for a ihp 120 is eaasy to come by?
01:26:20saratogai want to apply, but really won't know if I will have the summer off for another few weeks
01:26:28saratogacan I apply and then withdraw later?
01:26:36tinathere is a mega seller on ebay but he has some negs...will any matching size usb work?
01:26:41saratogaif I am still employed over the summer
01:27:06scorcheapply as in student or mentor?
01:28:33scorchesaratoga: "Visit us in #summer-discuss on Slashnet"
01:29:15saratogathats google's discussion for the SOC?
01:29:30scorcheso it would appear
01:29:31tinaany suggestions on how to get a usb cable for a ihp 120? are they that crare on ebay?
01:30:16linuxstbtina: Yes, it's a standard USB cable - you can buy them very cheaply anywhere. It's just a "USB A Plug to Mini USB B plug" cable.
01:30:51linuxstb(I have no idea what that seller is like - I just picked that at random).
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01:48:36*linuxstb wonders why gcc doesn't complain that create_thread is defined as type "struct thread_entry*" in thread.h, but is implemented in the sim with return type "int".
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01:51:51VoltageXdoes the daily.rockbox server filter on Useragents?
01:52:24VoltageXI was testing a script that grabs the latest rockbox version... I think I may have been banned.
01:52:40scorchesaratoga: did you find your answer there?
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02:02:28linuxstbVoltageX: Maybe you got yourself blacklisted if you were repeatedly downloading the same file within a short period of time. But I'm just guessing - you need to talk to Bagder, LinusN or Zagor when they are around (I expect they are sleeping now - they are in Sweden).
02:04:06VoltageXlinuxstb: :/ I'm sorry for accidentally hammering that server... I don't think I'm blacklisted, just that my PHP script gets 404, Firefox can see the file fine.
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02:08:20D0ugHello, is there any meathod of viewing HTML files using rockbox?
02:09:10VoltageXD0ug: not yet
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02:10:24D0ugIs there going to be any implementations of a webpage viewer soon?
02:10:43VoltageXD0ug: if you write it ;P
02:10:57VoltageXD0ug: there have been discussions about a wiki-viewer
02:11:55linuxstbD0ug: A full html viewer will be a huge task, but maybe a simpler kind of hypertext viewer will happen.
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02:14:38billytwowillywould be better to get a palmdoc or plucker or whatever the windows equivalent of palm doc is viewer.
02:14:38VoltageXlinuxstb: any idea why one client would get 404 where another gets the file?
02:15:24VoltageXbillytwowilly: bah, ASCII is enough for anyone
02:15:39billytwowillyVoltageX: your age is showing;)
02:15:49VoltageXbillytwowilly: err, I'm 18
02:15:59billytwowillyyou're old at heart;)
02:16:15billytwowillylike 72 or so;)
02:16:19VoltageXI did grow up editing autoexec.bat
02:16:34billytwowillybah, windows user;)
02:16:35VoltageXand started messing with debian at age 12 :P
02:16:44billytwowillyoh well that's ok then;)
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02:16:59VoltageXOSX, windows, Linux, I don't really care.
02:17:05linuxstbVoltageX: Sorry, no idea.
02:17:27VoltageXlinuxstb: which apache is build.rockbox running?
02:17:44linuxstbI don't know - I'm not an admin of that server.
02:18:25linuxstbIf you come back in 8 hours, you may find someone who is...
02:19:04VoltageXhmm, +8hrs is 6:18pm here so that should be ok
02:19:36VoltageXo.O wonder if rockbox is going to bork with this: 192kbit+32kbit 5 channel mp3
02:19:43VoltageXnever seen one like that
02:19:56LloreanI didn't know MP3 could do 5-channel...
02:20:02VoltageXneither did I
02:20:06VoltageXI thought it was a fake
02:20:08VoltageXbut it's not
02:20:48saratogai think theres a seperate standard for multichannel mp3 that everyone ignores
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02:21:25VoltageXsaratoga: winamp shipped with a surround demo a couple of versions ago
02:21:37LloreanThere's a list of limitations of MP3 at wikipedia, and it doesn't list "restricted to X channels" anywhere as a limitation, so I suppose not.
02:22:03VoltageXwell, the surround-ness is a lie, at least with this file
02:22:20VoltageXit's 224kbit 2 channel... wonder why you would lie about that
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02:22:36VoltageXthis is assuming the channel information is stored normally in the MP3 header
02:23:57VoltageXit'll be a few hours until I can check properly anyways, the file is still downloading
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02:25:39amiconnmpeg multichannel is implemented in a way so that decoders not knowing it won't see the extra channel data
02:25:55VoltageXhi amiconn , that's good to know
02:26:23VoltageXGSpot Codec Appliance should be able to see the channels if they are there, and it reports 2 channels only
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02:28:09VoltageXis Xing a good or bad encoder?
02:31:00saratogathe later Xing versions were ok
02:31:07saratogaearly ones were quite poor
02:31:16saratogatheres been about 800 Xing encoders over the years though
02:31:36VoltageXlol, apparently that's what encoded this multi-channel mp3
02:33:46saratogai would expect fhg
02:33:52saratogai think multichannel MP3 is their hack
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02:39:35GrooveStixhey folks!
02:39:59GrooveStixanyone knows anything about Gigabeats?
02:40:02D0ugWhat is this Wiki-Viewer that you recently spoke of?
02:40:54GrooveStixor battery configurations?
02:42:02D0ugThank you
02:42:20markunGrooveStix: what do you want to know?
02:42:42GrooveStixwell my batt for my GigaBeat has been underperforming
02:42:45VoltageXD0ug: remember, the tracker is not a support forum, you're on your own there
02:42:52GrooveStixsince I switched to rockbox
02:43:04markunGrooveStix: and did you try to switch back?
02:43:37GrooveStixno! are you suggesting that the firmware might be the problem?
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02:44:05markunGrooveStix: more to try to narrow down the problem
02:44:15markunI don't have any battery problems
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02:44:20LloreanGrooveStix: No, but many people who phrase it like "since I switched" suggest it is Rockbox, and then go back and test the original firmware to find out under equivalent conditions, it's just as bad (or worse)
02:44:49GrooveStixI thought it's the configuration
02:44:54markunGrooveStix: if you browse through your files a lot you should turn on 'dircache' for better battery performance
02:45:14markunit will make browsing a lot faster also
02:45:36GrooveStixI think there's a problem with the batt power configuration menu
02:45:41GrooveStixi see here
02:46:01GrooveStixthe battery is 830mAh Li-ion
02:46:19markunGrooveStix: forget about that setting
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02:46:36markunit doesn't change how long the battery lastsx
02:46:58GrooveStixok, I was confused because I tried to change it to 839
02:47:30GrooveStixbut the number range is from 2500-1500
02:47:39LloreanGrooveStix: That setting doesn't matter.
02:47:50markunGrooveStix: well, it only makes a difference to the runtime estimation, but that is not working well on the Gigabeat anyway
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02:48:12GrooveStixok, well what's the default ? 2200 ?
02:48:22markunGrooveStix: it doesn't matter..
02:48:41markunGrooveStix: howmany hours does your Gigabeat last with rockbox?
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02:49:07moIsTheMo@find archos
02:49:18markunmoIsTheMo: found!
02:49:43GrooveStixI was thinking about timing it, although it seems like it's performing
02:49:49moIsTheMofound! archos
02:50:01GrooveStixhalf of the originall performace time
02:50:16markunGrooveStix: so, howmany hours more or less?
02:50:48GrooveStixoh wait!
02:50:56GrooveStixI just submitted log
02:51:10GrooveStixI can see how much music I lisened to!
02:51:18markunanyway, have a good night all..
02:52:08markunmoIsTheMo: I was just trying to be funny and reply to your @fine (don't even know what it should do)
02:52:23markunsorry for making you think 'found!' does something..
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02:53:05moIsTheMoin some chanels its a way to find files
02:53:21pirokoI'm in a bit of trouble. I only have access to a linux machine, and I've followed the instructions to try to restore my ipod using this page: , but all I get is the evil folder-exclamation-point icon on reboot ;(
02:53:31LloreanmoIsTheMo: What files would you expect to find here, out of curiosity?
02:54:36moIsTheMois there eny way that i can use my archos 404 to play mpeg and not paying 20$?
02:54:41linuxstbpiroko: If you put it in disk mode, does ipodpatcher recognise it?
02:55:02LloreanmoIsTheMo: The 404 is not one of the players Rockbox runs on.
02:55:10LloreanThe list is on the front page of the site.
02:55:12pirokolinuxstb: I'm on ppc linux so I can't use ipodpatcher :( Shall I boot into mac?
02:55:16moIsTheMoyeah i know
02:55:21linuxstbpiroko: Just compile it yourself...
02:55:31LloreanmoIsTheMo: Well, this is #Rockbox, so it's for Rockbox discussion...
02:55:31pirokoI couldn't find the source code
02:55:55moIsTheMook ,gave it a tray
02:56:31linuxstbpiroko: svn co svn:// ipodpatcher
02:56:37moIsTheMoso mybe you know an archos channel?
02:56:40pirokoThere it is! Thank you!
02:57:22linuxstbpiroko: If you want to build it with all the bootloaders embedded, follow the instructions at the top of the Makefile.
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02:58:31linuxstbmoIsTheMo: Maybe the archopen project - but I'm not sure how well developed that it. See
03:00:03pirokoipodpatcher gave this: [ERR] Firmware partition doesn't contain Apple copyright, aborting.
03:00:21linuxstbThat's useful.
03:00:37linuxstbNo, I'm serious.
03:00:43pirokoOk good :)
03:00:46linuxstbYou download the .ipsw file and unzipped it?
03:01:13pirokoI didn't realize it was a zip file :P
03:01:14linuxstbThat error shows that the partition table is correct, but the contents of the firmware partition is wrong.
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03:01:29GrooveStixohh screw it! I'll come back when I figure out the problem
03:02:00pirokoBrilliant. Thank you linuxstb
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03:02:28pirokoWhat kind of extension is ipsw anyway?
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03:03:31linuxstbIs your PPC Linux box a PS3 by any chance?
03:03:41pirokoNope. Powerbook :)
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03:11:30Bawitdabaanyone know if its possible to make custom eqs on/for ipod with its stock firm
03:11:38Bawitdaba5.5 gen
03:11:46LloreanBawitdaba: This channel has nothing to do with the stock firmware.
03:11:51Bawitdabai know
03:12:12LloreanThen please follow the channel guidelines and try to stay on topic.
03:12:25Bawitdabaits a simple question
03:12:28Bawitdabadont have to be an ass
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03:12:49Bawitdabano one has spoken in 20 minutes
03:13:14LloreanThe channel is logged, off-topic questions make searching the logs harder. That's why the guidelines exist in the first place.
03:13:28LloreanIf you'd actually read the guidelines page, you'd know this.
03:13:40Bawitdabai don't know how to read
03:14:12Bawitdabais there a stats usage for these web logs
03:14:28LloreanWhat do you mean by 'stats usage'?
03:14:29Bawitdabaid love to know whos scrolling thru irc logs for the past weeks lmao
03:14:35LloreanMany of us.
03:14:43Bawitdabamust be boring
03:14:48Bawitdabai would demand a raise
03:15:32LloreanBoring or not, the channel has guidelines to be followed.
03:15:42BawitdabaYES SIR!
03:15:46Bawitdabaer caps lock
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03:16:35pirokoBawitdaba: You sound like an angry twelve year old :P
03:16:47Lloreanpiroko: Hate to say it, but that's not on topic either.
03:16:55pirokoHaha. K k
03:16:58Bawitdabayeah dude stay on topic
03:17:05Bawitdabawere bloating zee precious web logs here
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03:26:44chrisjs169|afki've been busy today, but were the sound 'settings' modified for the Sansa today? I just updated to the latest build and a lot of my songs are skipping...
03:30:15OverandI've had some issues with locking up with the new firmware on my iPod, but i can't really track it down to a specific thing
03:30:29Overandnot sure how to file bug reports- it's during playback, really
03:30:55LloreanOverand: What bootloader version are you using?
03:31:03Overandi used a 'recent' one
03:31:09Overandthe patcher didn't have parameters
03:31:15Overandis there a way for me to check?
03:31:25Overandi downloaded it from the link in the html manual for the video ipod
03:31:48LloreanWhat type of iPod do you have?
03:31:55Overandi did hear that the older bootloader had some stability problems with the ipod - oh, and i've had inconsistent behavior with my scroll wheel
03:31:58Overand5g 60 gig
03:32:01Lloreanchrisjs169|afk: It doesn't look like there have been any changed that could cause that.
03:32:10Overand'stability problemd with the current firmware'
03:32:12LloreanOverand: And you're using a Rockbox bootloader, not the iPL one?
03:32:14Overandthe scrollwheel usually is 'slow'
03:32:17OverandLlorean: correct
03:32:34LloreanWhat kind of stability problems, _exactly_?
03:32:34Overandand the scrollwheel has always been 'slow' - but once, when i was scrolling, it moved through the list at near-native ipod-firmware speed
03:32:46OverandLlorean: locking up, usually i *think* during song starts
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03:33:02Overandskipping from one track to another, *possibly* when i've been playing with plugins recently
03:33:24OverandI know that's only semi-specific, and i'm not certain that's accurate- I *will* see if I can figure it out more specifically as I use it.
03:33:30chrisjs169|afkLlorean, weird...the display sometime freezes up while playing music, but right now almost every song i play 'skips'
03:33:52LloreanOverand: What kind of freeze? Does the backlight respond, is there a message of any sort?
03:34:01Overandbacvklight doesn't respond, no message
03:34:07Lloreanchrisjs169|afk: Have you changed _anything_ other than just updating to a new build?
03:34:09Overandi can't do anything except hold select+menu
03:34:18Overand(I'm *pretty* sure the backlight doesn't respond)
03:34:27LloreanOverand: And what "current firmware" do you mean? Which SVN revision is it?
03:34:32LloreanAnd I assume you've got no patches.
03:34:35Overandno patches
03:34:48Overandit was a nightly from... ~2-3 days ago. grabbing version now
03:34:53LloreanThat's not current
03:34:57chrisjs169|afkLlorean, well, I installed a new bootloader, but forgot to load the OF and it didn't update (after updating, no difference either)
03:35:12OverandLlorean: I could pull down a new one.
03:35:14LloreanOverand: Please, when you say the current version, mean the one you get from the "Current Version" link, not a 3 day old build.
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03:35:24OverandLlorean: yeah, that's reasonable.
03:35:35OverandI hadn't thought about how long it had been.
03:35:45Lloreanchrisjs169|afk: Forgot to load the OF?
03:35:56Lloreanchrisjs169|afk: I don't even know what you mean by that exactly
03:36:16OverandI'll install a new one and see. Is there a specific link I should use for the bootloader, or was the one in the html-manual correct?
03:36:42LloreanOverand: Build and Bootloader are two different things.
03:36:46OverandLlorean: I know that.
03:36:59OverandI'm asking about the bootloader now, I'm already on my way to pull down the build.
03:37:02chrisjs169|afkLlorean, I had manually compiled a new bootloader/mi4 file, but forgot to go back into the OF to have it update it
03:37:08OverandI just want to make sure I'm not uysing a stale bootloader.
03:37:17LloreanOverand: If your bootloader was built into ipodpatcher, then it's new enugh
03:37:25OverandK, thanks.
03:37:29Lloreanchrisjs169|afk: That's not the install process any more.
03:37:36Lloreanchrisjs169|afk: Not even remotely close to it, even.
03:37:51OverandLlorean: with a 3-day-old build, should i bother re-writing the .rockbox directory structure, or can I just overwrite the rockbox binary itself?
03:38:02LloreanOverand: ALWAYS rewrite the .rockbox folder.
03:38:09OverandLlorean: I always do, that's why I asked =]
03:38:12LloreanThat's why our documentation says explicitly to extract the whole .zip to the device.
03:38:33OverandLlorean: I always extract that, then decompress my themes, and re-do any prefs changes by hand
03:39:05LloreanYou shouldn't need to re-do any changes to the main config or re-extrac themes.
03:39:36OverandLlorean: so overwriting the contents of .rockbox is ok, leaving the files I already have there OK?
03:39:44OverandI would actually wipe (well, rename) the existing .rockbox
03:40:25Overandthanks. sorry to be asking basic stuff here, but I'd rather not have any other problems potentially leading to issues with this if i'm going to try to track down a bug
03:40:40Overandoh- do you have any idea what might have caused the hugely different scroll-wheel-through-file-list speeds?
03:41:35LloreanIt shouldn't have changed drastically between recent builds
03:41:44OverandThat's the thing- it wasn't between builds.
03:41:47OverandIt's always been 'slow'
03:41:59Overandbut for about 15 seconds, it was scrolling 'fast.'
03:41:59LloreanWell then what's it hugely different from?
03:42:09Overandhave you used native ipod firmware?
03:42:16LloreanBut Rockbox has always been slower than that
03:42:22Overandyes, I know
03:42:32LloreanSo what are you asking, _exactly_
03:42:32Overandbut for ~15 seconds it scrolled significantly faster than it usually does
03:42:58LloreanPossibly while the CPU was boosting.
03:43:03OverandI know the ipod firmware has 'acceleration' that rockbox doesn't use, but this was still the 'feel' or rockbox, but instead of.
03:43:08Overandthat would explain it.
03:43:32OverandIt didn't ever happen on my ~2 month old single-cpu build, but it's only happened once so far on this newer one
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03:44:25OverandIt was actually a welcome change, though, the scroll speed is a little slow. Alright, I've got the new firmware loaded, I'll beat on it and see if I can get it to freeze, and see if the backlight responds, etc.
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03:47:59Domonoky_if someone likes to try the redesigned rbutil: domonoky/"> <- win32 binary | patch is in the tracker
03:48:18chrisjs169|afkLlorean, I just reinstalled everything the proper way
03:49:52chrisjs169|afkSo far it works =P
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04:04:17OverandLlorean: the cpu boost thing does seem to make sense- after playback's been paused for a bit, the increased scroll speed goes back to 'normal.'
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04:05:42Overandah, hre's an ol bug
04:06:00Overandwhere the skin doesn't get the id3 info, and displays the filename of a different file in the directory than is playing
04:06:20Overand+5 actually, in this case
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04:07:10Overand+2 in a different album, hm. but the the 'next track' info is proper/correct
04:08:16Overandbut 'stopping' and starting again returns it to normal
04:09:04Overand(Never noticed that workaround before) - now i'll check flyspray
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04:18:21Overanddidn't find it on flyspray
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04:38:50SoapOk, so who did Sansa kiss behind the bleachers to get battery calibration already, and what do I have to do to accomplish the same for iPod?
04:40:53LloreanSoap: Maybe just ask barry if he'd do it for you based on benches you'd provide? I think a lot of people just don't know what exactly needs to be modified.
04:41:29Soapheck, I can collect benches until the cows come home if that is all he needs.
04:42:16LloreanI'm pretty sure it just needs one "good" bench, so that it can be seen how voltage values compare to time passes.
04:42:32LloreanI think it needs a voltage for each 10% increment including 100 and 0.
04:42:43Llorean10% of the time, not 10% of the capacity
04:42:47LloreanBut I'm not sure.
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04:46:18OS2_Warp_userI've just updated rockbox and it "data aborts everytime I try to play a song now
04:46:28LloreanOS2_Warp_user: Update the bootloader.
04:46:37Soapis your bootlo - Ll is fast.
04:46:43LloreanFollow the bootloader install in the manual, it's the same process for updating.
04:48:00SoapWow, those series of patches were simple enough I think I fully understood them.
04:48:47LloreanSoap: Yeah, it doesn't look too hard.
04:49:03LloreanSoap: I just want to know _exactly_ what those numbers are supposed to represent.
04:49:14LloreanI stated my assumption, but we know how assumptions can turn out. :)
04:49:44Soapfrom the tracker comment, 330 = the zero point 3.3 volts, the point at which the hardware powers down.
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04:50:43Soaptracker said 340 is the warning level, but the next increment in the patch is 339, so yea assumptions assumptions.
04:51:07LloreanEspecially since we have different maximum voltages listed for different LIIONs
04:51:25LloreanI'd also like to know what the "scale factor" relates to, as it may need to be changed for different iPods.
04:51:44SoapI gotta believe it would.
04:53:00Soapalso interesting how much lower the shutoff value appears to be when compared to other targets.
04:53:11OverandI know very early ipods were LiPoly, though that's probably immaterial
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05:02:02Soaplooking at all the iPod battery benches (across model) 3.5v=not long of this world.
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05:07:50pirokoI don't know if I could survive without the spc/nsf/mod plugins for rockbox...
05:08:01pirokoEr, sid
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06:21:42n17ikh|Lappyencoding videos to work on the h10? Intriguing!
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06:42:48n17ikh|Lappywell, it sort of works
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07:03:24webguest26fucking awesome, rockbox?
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08:36:25VoltageXBagder: you here?
08:36:44VoltageXmarc: do you know why a PHP script would get 404 on a daily build where Firefox is fine?
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09:26:53scorchemidkay: you, me, now
09:27:23midkayscorche: can't, sorry.
09:27:35scorchesuch a flake...
09:27:52midkayflake? i literally *can't*. i have no access to any map-related stuff right now.
09:28:10scorchestill a flake
09:28:15midkayif i wanted to avoid you/playing.. i wouldn't have installed and configured and connected xchat just now.
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09:42:17VoltageX_should be morning in Sweden land now
09:42:49LloreanVoltageX_: Yes, saturday morning. Some people sleep in, or have lives. :-P
09:43:06VoltageX_a life? can I apt-get one of those?
09:45:09VoltageX_Llorean: why would my php script be getting a 404 on the daily builds, whereas Firefox is fine.
09:45:37LloreanVoltageX_: You've been told who you'd need to talk to about that.
09:46:04VoltageX_yes, and I'm hoping one of those people pop in something soon
09:46:29LloreanWell, why did you ask me then? :-P
09:46:34VoltageX_I don't know
09:46:37VoltageX_I hit tab
09:52:03VoltageX_ is correct isn't it?
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09:58:34std|denishey guys
09:59:02std|denisdoes somebody tried to use the bootloader from current SVN?
09:59:10std|denison iRiver H1xx
09:59:57scorchewell, im sure that the developer who committed it tried it first...
10:00:17std|denisi got a unexpected behaviour
10:00:43scorcheand i got a very unspecific response
10:00:51std|denisi changed the code - put a "shutdown()" at the end of "Bootloader USB mode" code
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10:02:05Lloreanstd|denis: Well, we tend to strongly recommend against compiling your own bootloaders for the H100 and H300, which is why we provide a specific version.
10:02:30std|denisand after putting new bootloader into device, my iRiver shutting down at very beginning of startup
10:03:05std|denisit shows me "shutting down..." message, but i can't imagine where the execution going to shutdown() func..
10:03:23std|denisi thought it is due to the low battery. but it doesn't
10:03:58std|denisbut i found the way to start it :)
10:05:06std|denisall i have to do is press joystick button in some direction or even "stop" button simultaneously to "ON" button
10:05:21std|denisdunno whether it is a bug
10:05:22LloreanSo basically you're very, very lucky that you didn't permanently brick it.
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10:07:28std|denisLinus said that its not so easy to get a brick :)
10:07:39VoltageX_Llorean: here's something you can help with, try sending HEAD /daily/h300/ to :D
10:07:48Lloreanstd|denis: On the H100?
10:07:54std|denisLlorean: how do you make a specific version?
10:08:09std|denisLlorean: H120 - to be correct
10:08:17Lloreanstd|denis: If you make a bootloader that can't load Rockbox or USB mode, then you have a brick, and it's final without hardware to fix it.
10:09:32Lloreanstd|denis: That's why we recommend AGAINST compiling your own bootloader for those.
10:09:44std|denisLlorean: yeah, i got momentary thought about a brick :)
10:10:04LloreanVoltageX_: Seriously, just have some patience and wait until someone who can actually fix things on the server side if something really is up can help you.
10:10:13std|denisbut it going quite fine to USB-mode or to original firmware
10:10:28Lloreanstd|denis: The point is, you really shouldn't experiment with the bootloader.
10:10:34VoltageX_ok ok. I shouldn't have had the second coffee
10:11:49std|denisLlorean: i couldn't held down my horses ;) its my fault
10:12:50std|denisLlorean: going back to your remark about "specific version". isn't it just a make of bootloader source code?
10:14:09Lloreanstd|denis: Yes, that is then tested by someone who can recover his device if something doesn't work properly with that version of the code.
10:16:08std|denisLlorean: is there a description of the recovering process for H1xx? just curious. i'm a software dev, but have a good friend, who could help me with hw
10:16:24LloreanYou need a BDM wiggler.
10:17:01LloreanI'm not really sure what the process is to manually rewrite a working ROM though, or whatever exactly is necessary to get it working.
10:17:19LloreanI'm curious why you're so eager to write your own bootloader.
10:17:43std|denisin any way i got what i wanted - shutting down at USB disconnection ;) but these unexpected features making me think about the "ways to go back" :)
10:18:26std|denisi hate that rockbox turns on at the end of usb-mode "session"
10:18:55std|denisit's not my bootloader, it's just a little tweak - only one line of code
10:19:20LloreanYeah, but you took a big risk that the current h100 bootloader was even functioning.
10:19:52LloreanThere have been times where it hasn't been in a suitable condition, for one reason or another.
10:20:11LloreanBut, it worked out.
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10:22:58JdGordonhey daurnimator
10:23:03JdGordonyou round?
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10:26:44Slasheriyeah, some bootloader specific bugs tend to remain hidden for a long time until a new version is built. Every svn commit could affect the bootloader part too, but it's tested very rarely
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10:51:28daurnimatorThe West Coast Eagles in conjunction with their major sponsor, Hungry Jacks, are proud to announce the "Ben Cousins Meal Deal".
10:51:28daurnimatorNo burgers or fries - just coke and ice.
10:52:03JdGordonyou got a space micro SD card you dont use?
10:52:10JdGordonand want to get rid of?
10:52:55VoltageX_daurnimator: HAHAHAHA
10:52:58daurnimator"space micro SD"????
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10:53:21daurnimatornot micro
10:53:22JdGordonand stealing from the footy show... SHAAME!!!
10:53:33daurnimatorand i'm using the only mini i have
10:53:51daurnimatorstealing from teh intawebs actually
10:54:15VoltageX_daurnimator: you'd have to be Australian, then
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11:00:42fejfighterdaurnimator: for an nrl fan thats an awsome joke
11:01:11daurnimatorVoltageX_: of course
11:01:12JdGordonnrl?? you mean afl...
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11:01:39fejfighteri am an nrl fan, not overly fussed on afl, but i think its a good joke either way
11:02:22VoltageX_did TFS steal that originally from the interwebs?
11:02:42VoltageX_sounds like it could be the Lindsay Lohan meal or the Britany Spears Meal
11:03:05CpuWhizwhat (if anything) do i need to change/do to get COP when building my own rockbox or is this already enabled now?
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11:03:50JdGordonthe COP is enabled by default now...
11:03:54JdGordonVoltageX_: wouldnt surpirse me...
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11:08:06daurnimatorfunny part is
11:08:12daurnimatorHJ is the sponser of WCE
11:12:45JdGordonso it might be originoal!
11:14:20VoltageX_JdGordon: do you have anything to do with the rockbox download server?
11:15:07scorcheVoltageX_: we told you who to look stop referencing it please..
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11:17:22dmdfanIs it normal that with the recent builds, I had to manually copy rockbox.iriver from the .rockbox folder to the root to get Rockbox working?
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11:17:47scorchedmdfan: what bootloader version are you running?
11:17:56dmdfanv5 on h120
11:18:10scorcheupdate tot eh newest, and you will be fine
11:18:20scorcheto the
11:18:29dmdfanah, ok, is it allready v7?
11:20:08nlsno v7 isn't released yet, use v6
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12:06:11amiconnJdGordon: I found a (probably) root menu related bug
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12:07:26amiconnIf startup screen is set to the file browser, there is no (displayable) file in the root, and you then try to call the root menu, the sim crashes
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12:08:23amiconn...because tree.c: get_current_file() returns nonsense when there is no file displayed
12:09:21amiconnMay as well be dircache related, at least the function looks like this
12:10:54Slasheriamiconn: hmm, shouldn't have anything to do with dircache
12:11:08amiconnOkay, maybe this bug is even older
12:11:17Slasherior if you mean tc.dircache, that's totally different thing i have no idea about
12:11:52amiconnstruct entry* e = &dc[tc.selected_item];
12:12:09Slasheriyep, that's not the "real" dircache
12:12:13amiconnWhat happens if there is no selected item, because there is no item at all?
12:12:17Slasheribut some other caching system inside tree.c
12:12:29amiconnProbably the tree context
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12:13:23amiconnThe backtrace shows it's crashing in the snprintf() call, probably because e->name is NULL
12:14:00amiconnThis may also hit on target now that is no longer in the root
12:19:54*dmdfan is happy to notice that random crashes with certain cuesheets seems to have disappeared due to recents fixes :-)
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12:25:56CpuWhizhow do i change the size of the rockbox logo...
12:26:36linuxstbIt's automatic - just use a different sized bitmap.
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12:27:00linuxstbBut it's always displayed 10 pixels from the top of the screen, so you may want to change that - in apps/misc.c
12:27:42foolshDoes anyone see anything funny about "Quick links: Bugs (due in 3.0) · Patches · Feature requests · Rockbox frontpage" from flyspray? or is it just me?
12:29:34foolshjust me ay
12:29:48foolshreleasing bugs in 3.0?
12:30:10pixelmafoolsh: its | Bugs | due in 3.0 | ... if you look at the links you'll notice
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12:30:56foolshlol but the bullets seperate them like thier together
12:31:42pixelmahmm... you're right it looks weird because it is in brackets
12:36:14foolshif it was like this "Quick links:(due in 3.0) · Bugs · Patches · Feature requests · Rockbox frontpage" I wouldn't be giggling in my coffee
12:37:37pixelmahehe... yes - but luckily the 3.0 release hasn't happened yet ;)
12:40:07barrywardellhmmm. rockbox.gigabeat doesn't use any sort of checksum. I guess it should?
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12:40:51markundmdfan: with a up-to-date bootloader it should load rockbox.iriver from .rockbox
12:41:45*markun shouldn't forget to scroll down before replying to something..
12:42:31markundmdfan: and I kept wondering why it was so quiet :)
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12:49:44markunbarrywardell: yes, I think it should too, but everybody will have to update the bootloader
12:49:58barrywardellyeah, that's the problem
12:50:14markun(unless we place the checksum after the irq vector
12:50:36barrywardellhmmm. good point. we could do that
12:50:47barrywardelland if there's no checksum, just print a warning
12:52:05barrywardellmarkun: where in the binary is that?
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12:53:35markunbarrywardell: in the crt0.S file you will see the vectors
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12:57:22webguest78hi ! anybody know if it is possible to connect two usb devices to each other if they are both usb clients ?
12:57:34markunbarrywardell: but LinusN didn't like this plan very much
12:57:48webguest78i am looking for a way to transfer pictures from my digicam to my mp3 player without a pc in between
12:58:03markunperhaps its better to do it soon and just have everyone update his bootloader
12:58:40markunwebguest78: it's possible with mp3 players which support USB on-the-go
12:58:56barrywardellbut what if someone doesn't know to update their bootloader?
12:59:03webguest78i know, i dont have that though (ihp-140)
12:59:33markunwebguest78: maybe there are some portable devices which provide this functionality..
13:00:02markunbarrywardell: yes.. I don't know what should happen..
13:00:08barrywardellmarkun: there's 0x100 space at the start of rockbox.gigabeat. can't we just put it in there?
13:00:44markunbarrywardell: what is it used for?
13:00:59barrywardellit's just 0's in the file
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13:04:08webguest78bugger, cant find anything for connecting two usb slave drives to each other...
13:04:29linuxstbMaybe we should try and introduce a better header for the rockbox firmware files - e.g. adding information about what bootloader is required to start it.
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13:07:54barrywardelllinuxstb: sounds like it would be a good idea
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13:09:52linuxstbbarrywardell: I'm not sure how though... Maybe renaming all the Rockbox firmware files to something else, and including a dummy firmware in the zips with the old name that just displays an "upgrade" message.
13:14:47barrywardellyeah, like we were planning for the mi4 change
13:17:04linuxstbI can't think of a nice alternative name for rockbox.xxxx though...
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13:35:05amiconnSlasheri: Hmm, dircache bug: If you started your player by accident and want to shut down while dircache is still scanning in the background, it doesn't stop
13:35:38amiconnThe shutdown latency timeout eventually cuts power, and the disk does its nasty click
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13:48:32JdGordonamiconn: ok, can you put it on FS? i wont be doing any coding tomrorow and ill forget by monday
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13:55:40JdGordonoohh... a few new student submitions for gsoc :)
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13:58:30Soapbarrywardell: I see the battery calibration you did for sansa. What would I need to provide you (battery benches, independant readings of battery voltage from my Fluke during dischange cycle, apple pie) to get the same thing for the ipods?
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14:14:09barrywardellSoap: I'd be glad to do the same. battery bench would be a start
14:14:25barrywardellif you can give me a battery voltage reading too, then that would be even better
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14:14:53*amiconn has a couple of mini G2 battery_bench logs
14:15:15SoapThere's a ton of them on
14:15:51SoapThe anal ones are mine, but if none of those were done in the "proper way" I can create a 5th Gen and/or Nano one today.
14:15:51barrywardelli didn't realise the battery readings weren't accurate on the ipods
14:16:30SoapI also don't like the shutoff voltage. Don't the other players gracefully shutdown when they sense a very low battery?
14:16:40SoapThe iPods just kind of crash and burn.
14:17:06barrywardellSoap: really sorry, I gotta run off now. but I'll talk about it next time we're both on here.
14:17:11Soapcan do.
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14:36:00[RG]ReaperAnyone got the problem where winamp won't send stuff to iPods after rockbox has been installed?
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14:36:55hahahawht u yo
14:37:28hahahaany1 here?
14:38:22markunhahaha: welcome stranger
14:39:25markun[RG]Reaper: I don't have an iPod and don't use winamp, sorry..
14:39:29hahahai havent used rockbox in about a year.., can any1 tell me about the latest version.. whts new and stuff
14:39:53markunhahaha: one moment..
14:39:59hahahaim talkin about the ipod version by the way
14:40:34[RG]ReaperIt's changed since I last used it.
14:40:47hahahak thx
14:40:49[RG]ReaperMenu looks a lot different, like the database bit
14:41:19markun[RG]Reaper: yes, that's one of the most visible changes (quite recently)
14:41:51[RG]ReaperIt's a welcome change, I always forgot where to go to update all the tracks on it.
14:42:51hahahawhich file should i download... i still want to be able to view the apple os.. i already have a bootloader
14:43:20[RG]ReaperGo to daily builds
14:43:24markunhahaha: from the current builds page
14:43:25hahahacan i use the mpeg player on an ipod photo
14:43:32[RG]ReaperAnd select whatever ipod you have
14:43:43hahahak.. thx
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14:43:55markunhahaha: but it's work in progress and you need to encode the files yourself to work properly
14:43:58hahahawhts the size of a 3min video
14:44:15markunit depends on the bitrate
14:44:19pixelmabut when your bootloader is from 1 year ago - you'd have to update it too, but the install/update procedure has become a lot easier
14:44:19[RG]ReaperOn resolution, sound quality, bit rate
14:44:32markun[RG]Reaper: only on bitrate I would say :)
14:44:53[RG]ReaperFair enough, Rockbox has flac support doesnt it?
14:45:03hahahashould i just update my ipod and start from 0
14:45:44markunhahaha: I believe there is now a tool to do the bootloader upload for you
14:45:58markunpixelma: do you have an ipod?
14:46:06[RG]ReaperHmm, this is annoying, what gig to remove on my ipod to put 1 flac album on..
14:46:32markun[RG]Reaper: you can always encode the flacs to something else for listening on your ipod
14:46:41[RG]ReaperTrue, winamp shuold do it.
14:46:50hahahawhat is it called ....the bootloader
14:47:12markunhahaha: check the wiki, there should be some intallation instructions
14:47:16hahahaill google it
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14:47:47hahahawhts the diffrence between ipod color boot and sim
14:47:51[RG]Reaperhardware equalizer :|
14:48:09markunhahaha: sim is a simulator, doesn't work on the ipod but on a PC
14:48:41hahahak..thx whts the diffrence between ipod color and ipod color boot
14:49:08markunone is rockbox, 'boot' is the bootloader
14:50:09markun[RG]Reaper: if you are talking about the ipod video HW EQ, it only supports bass and trebble
14:50:52[RG]ReaperHmm, if I get the albumart patch.. will it pick up on album art already on my ipod?
14:50:56pixelmamarkun: no I don't
14:51:05markun[RG]Reaper: no
14:51:34[RG]Reaperno point in that then
14:51:40markun[RG]Reaper: it is used to display a bmp file in the directory of the files you are playing
14:52:23[RG]ReaperThat could be usefull then
14:52:26Soapso it and Database view don't exactly go hand-in-hand if you are using the AppleDatabase file positions.
14:52:47[RG]ReaperWhen I get my pc back up and running I can clear all the music off my ipod and redo i it
14:53:55markun[RG]Reaper: yes, just make a nice directory structure to keep your files in, works very well.
14:54:38[RG]ReaperI will, means It'll be easier to use with PS3 aswell..
14:55:26[RG]ReaperWhats the key presses to stop rockbox going into USB mode when your charging it
14:56:18markunI think you need to hold 'menu' (at least you do on other players)
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14:56:33markunhold it while inserting the cable that is
14:57:20Soapyou no longer need to do that when plugging in a charging (not computer connected) cable.
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15:01:49[RG]ReaperThats good
15:05:33[RG]ReaperAt least I can push the bass up on the ipod with rockbox, without overpowering the bass.
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15:11:30[RG]Reaperfudge me sideways rockbox has gotten faster
15:12:30[RG]Reaperhow does the log work?
15:13:51Soapturn it on, and it creates Last.FM compliant logs of what you have listened to for submission to your account.
15:14:27[RG]Reaperi've turned it on, just wandering how it's going to get my account info, or does it upload it to the player/
15:16:00hahahaipodlinux channel members are retarted... can i ask a question about ipodlinux here?
15:19:55*[RG]Reaper starts playing games, on WINDOWS
15:20:21Soap[RG]Reaper: There is a Rockbox wiki page on the various programs you can use to upload the Last.FM log to your account.
15:20:38hahahau r craZ
15:20:45[RG]Reaperdo you have the link Soap ?
15:20:51SoapI, personally, use LogScrobbler (you can find it on google. 0.14c is the most recent and stable) for Windows.
15:25:05[RG]ReaperHehe, I might go out and buy that
15:26:35[RG]ReaperRight, I'm off to go get that, and go to work, cheers for the help.
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17:51:36bigred84hello, i have a question, i would ask on the forums or at misticriver, but it appears the server is down at the moment
17:52:52chrisjs169I dunno about the entire server, but the forum is down due to problems connecting to the database
17:53:19chrisjs169from what I can tell at least
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17:53:41bigred84oh, well do you think you could answer my question, i am usually pretty computer savey, but this problem has me stumped
17:54:02markunbigred84: what's the problem?
17:54:47chrisjs169yay, the forums have returned
17:55:07bigred84well, i have an h10 20gb that is runnig rockbox, i connect it to many computers and it works fine, i have even connected it to this computer before, but all of a sudden now when i connect it to this computer the computer completly freezes and i have to do a hard reboot
17:55:46markunwow, weird
17:55:47Arathisbigred84: how did you connect it?
17:55:56Soapconnected directly to the computer, or through a hub?
17:55:56bigred84in ums mode
17:56:08SoapDo you have a powered hub avaliable?
17:56:14Arathisyou have an usm device?
17:56:15bigred84i have tried both front and rear usb ports
17:56:32bigred84what is a 'usm' deivice
17:56:53bigred84oh, yes
17:57:01bigred84well, i connect it in ums mode
17:57:08SoapI think a good (and easy) first check is to eliminate the "power draw leads to hardware fault" possibility by connecting the device through a powered hub.
17:57:22bigred84are the rear ports of a computer powered
17:58:45Soapmost likely yes.
17:59:01bigred84i have been able to connect to this computer before, but now the computer completely freezes, i have also notice while booting my computer asks if i want to start in safe mode
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17:59:35Soapon one of my desktops the front ports are connected to an internal (powered) hub, on another the front ports are connected to a internal, unpowered hub, and on yet a third they are non-hubbed independant ports.
17:59:55SoapThe safe mode question is simply a result of an unclean shutdown.
18:00:26bigred84oh, ok yes when the computer freexes i have to do an unsafe shutdown, ok that answers that question then
18:01:09bigred84can an unpowered usb port charge my device?
18:01:29bigred84ok, then the front ports must be powered
18:02:29bigred84because i have charged my player from them before, although recently my brother has tried charging his psp from the front ports and he has gotten no charge
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18:05:12bigred84if i temporaraly disable the computers security, could that solve the problem, at least to the point where i could trobleshoot the problem ? (not that disabling the computers security is a good idea in the first place)
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18:05:42bigred84well, i could always disconnect from the internet while doing this though
18:05:57SoapI see no reason to suspect that as a cause of the crash at this point in time, with the facts gathered so far.
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18:07:01bigred84oh, ok, i have also noticed that if i plug in my h10 to the computer without it being in usb mode, the computer also crashes
18:13:58bigred84i am scannig my computer now, just eliminate the computer suspecting a security risk theroy
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18:25:56toffe82bigred84: perhaps try to uninstall the usb driver and reinstall it
18:26:41bigred84how can i do that?
18:27:14Soapthis is quickly becoming better served in ##windows
18:27:21toffe82you are on windows ?
18:27:49bigred84do you mean am i on a computer that runs windows?
18:28:03bigred84then yes
18:28:28toffe82go to the control panel, system and in the list, look for the usb
18:29:15bigred84under the hardware tab?
18:29:24toffe82uninstall the usb and reboot it should find again the usb and reinstall the driver
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18:30:02bigred84under device manager, or drivers?
18:32:42BigMacis there a way to rip with vlc and have no audio?
18:33:09toffe82device manager
18:34:14bigred84ok now should i select storage volumes or usb contolers
18:35:10toffe82what do you have in the list under universal serial bus controller ?
18:35:52bigred84Sis 7001 PCI to USB Open host contoller (x3)
18:36:01bigred84usb mass storage device
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18:36:12bigred84usb printing support
18:36:27bigred84usb root hub (x4)
18:37:12toffe82uninstall usb root hub
18:37:32bigred84all 4?
18:38:13toffe82yes, after a reboot it should find them again
18:38:46bigred84ok im in the process of un-instaling them
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18:39:07bigred84ok all 4 are uninstalled
18:39:14bigred84now re-boot?
18:39:39bigred84ok il will be back in about 5-10 min
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18:45:07bigred84ok, i have rebooted my computer, and the usb drivers have reinstalled themselves, should i attempt to connct my mp3 player?
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18:48:42toffe82bigred84: so ?
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18:50:58SoapI think he crashed.
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18:51:36bigred84same problem occured, computer crahsed and required a hard reboot
18:52:52Soap##windows is the channel you need to go to, this is not a rockbox issue.
18:53:11Soapwhich means you need to use a real IRC client rather than the web-client.
18:53:16bigred84ok, how would i get ther, i am not firmilar with irc
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18:55:12toffe82did you try connect something else like a usb mouse ?
18:55:17toffe82too late
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19:24:58djrayhello! i posted this on the forums and didn't get a reply... where does SPC fit in the file codec sequence in the WPS?
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19:39:25CpuWhizdoes anyone know which patch is causing this compile error? (album, resize, scrolling margins, or ipod brightness)
19:39:26CpuWhizrecorder/icons.h:30:25: error: rockboxlogo.h: No such file or directory
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19:42:58Lloreandjray: Try playing an SPC file and find out. :)
19:43:10LloreanOr look at one of the official included WPSes.
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19:46:36djrayi made one of the original WPS'!!! i want to update iAmp for the new file codecs
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19:49:52Lloreandjray: I'm pretty sure some of the included WPSes already work with SPC.
19:50:11LloreanBut you should also be able to tell by playing an SPC file, and seeing what icon it shows instead of SPC
19:50:23djrayoh i forgot to say i'm working on the iRiver iHP-100... none of those have been updated for SPC
19:51:08djraythe wiki: −− hasn't updated the %fc portion for SPC yet
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19:53:55LloreanYou still have the solution of "just try an SPC file", though, right?
19:56:18djrayi guess so... but that's time-consuming! hehe... do you know of any WPSes that currently display SPC? that would save me some time.
19:56:55LloreanI really don't.
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20:01:07djrayok thanks, llorean.
20:02:59BHSPitMonkeymayyybe hcs knows.
20:03:06BHSPitMonkeythough maybe not.
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20:21:50CpuWhizwill someone explain why i am getting this error...
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20:27:05CpuWhizrecorder/icons.h:30:25: error: rockboxlogo.h: No such file or directory <−− it was not that far up the screen
20:27:26midgeyfair enough, i didnt actually check :)
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20:29:43hahahawht up yo
20:30:53hahahaany1 knows wht is the best broadbaned provider in the usa ... and wht is the fastest CONECCTION SPEED
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20:34:33midgeyCpuWhiz: make sure you have rockboxlogo*.bmp in apps/bitmaps/native
20:34:52midgeyand make sure you have the correct sources file
20:34:59CpuWhizi do
20:35:19midgeyand a make clean leads to the same error?
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20:36:36perldiveroh well
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20:38:50perldiverBigMac probably none of those ever gonna happen
20:39:11CpuWhizthe sources file and the bitmaps in that dir are at the latest svn, i am trying to apply a patch, last time i tried it compiled from a clean svn (i am going to try again), but which file would cause that if it changed...
20:39:15BigMacwell that is the only way the zune will ever become a decent dap
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20:45:49CpuWhiza clean build doesn't cause this problem, so which file if it changed would cause this error
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20:46:45midgeywhich patches are you applying? (flyspray numbers)
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20:50:41std|denisLlorean: where can i find the guys who can say something about current situation with bootloader, especially about iHP-1xx's one?
20:50:51CpuWhiztrying to fix this one: - u want a list of which files are changed?
20:57:00CpuWhizok, i just noticed svn diff doesn't include new files unless u run svn add :( going to try this now
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21:07:22CpuWhizbingo, it silently died when it couldn't find a file in apps/SOURCES and as a result only compiled/ran the stuff before that file
21:07:29CpuWhizor something like that
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21:27:01First_timer_8923Hi everybody, I am a first timer in this awesome irc channel
21:27:55First_timer_8923so... well, I was kinda interested in finding out about the google summer of code, and how I could possibly help rockbox
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21:29:15midgeyFirst_timer_8923: have you read the SummerOfCode wiki page?
21:29:27First_timer_8923yes I have indeed
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21:29:47First_timer_8923I have been lurking around the google soc discussion web-pages
21:30:11midgeywell if you are interested as a student, you can apply with google (assuming the deadline hasnt passed)
21:30:23First_timer_8923the deadline got extended, so i guess i can submit it in time its monday
21:31:31First_timer_8923now, I dont seem to be able to find a project list for rockbox
21:32:16midgeyon the wiki page we have a list of ideas. none of them are concrete though
21:32:33midgeywe probably be open to anything if it sounds like a nice addition
21:33:37First_timer_8923ah! thanks! completely missed my eyes
21:34:08paerezno prob. I am actually doing the same right now
21:36:06paerezI was hoping to speak with amiconn regarding the proposed Viewports project. Is he the correct person to talk to?
21:36:25midgeypaerez: he is indeed
21:36:52midgeyhe seems to have a clear view of how they should be implemented, he just has other priorities at the moment
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21:38:18Bagdernother e200tool update
21:41:29First_timer_8923I am interested in code maintenance work under development, is that project big enough to be a sufficient fit for GSoC?
21:42:14First_timer_8923....and who is the best person to talk to about it ?
21:42:22BagderI don't understand the project ;-)
21:43:20Bagderand talking about it here, or on the dev list seems the best places
21:43:51First_timer_8923I see... fair enough!
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21:49:31LloreanBagder: What does the new version gain?
21:49:52Bagdera new i2c program approach, possibly safer
21:50:39mattzzBagder: is anybody actually reading twiki(at)
21:50:45LloreanDoes that mean "also possibly less safe" or is it at a minimum equally safe?
21:50:50Bagdermattzz: yes
21:51:22BagderLlorean: ehm, I think it is about as unsafe as before in general, but the actual i2c rom write procedure should be a little safer
21:51:41LloreanAh, I just found your post about it.
21:51:45Bagderas it now sends over the whole chunk once and do one write
21:51:53perldiveri wonder why the flyspray page is being blocked by my browser filter
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22:15:37naddim looking for the cheapest possible hardware to put rockbox on
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22:15:58naddim building something to replace a car radio
22:16:02Bagdernadd: try ebay
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22:16:24naddwhat sort of board should i look for ?
22:16:42linuxstbThe Gigabeat F is generally quite cheap - less than $100 USD - and Rockbox works well on it.
22:16:42Bagderone of the models Rockbox runs on perhaps?
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22:17:37valiant3400hi everybody
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22:18:03valiant3400I am planning on taking rocvkbox off my sansa e250 and returning it within the 30 day return period
22:18:29valiant3400only problem is what when I delete rockbox.e200, it says databass error
22:19:21valiant3400does anybody know what's going on?
22:19:37naddBagder, linuxstb im not looking for something to put in my pocket, a barebones board would do, i would just put it in some case and install it in the car
22:20:04naddthats why i said cheap .. think of and mp3 player without an interface
22:20:12Bagdernadd: rockbox runs on players that are more than boards, but sure you can buy a broken one or similar
22:21:03naddim thinking minimalistic ..
22:21:05linuxstbnadd: How do you plan on controlling it if there is no interface?
22:21:37linuxstbAnd do you just want MP3 playback, or other audio formats?
22:21:56naddjust mp3 ..
22:22:16naddthere must be some generic board, with no casing ..
22:22:41Bagderwe've never ported rockbox to any "generic board"
22:23:00JavaMan22does anyone know Dave Chapman personally?
22:23:01Bagderso you'd have to use a stripped regular player
22:23:05JavaMan22as in where he lives
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22:23:14*linuxstb knows him quite well
22:23:16barrywardell_I think linuxstb might :P
22:23:17BagderJavaMan22: I bet linuxstb does!
22:23:25naddso i would add the buttons and stuff, cuz think about it, if you are not making a compact box, its alot cheaper, an mp3 player is alot smaller than a car radio
22:23:26JavaMan22DOES HE LIVE
22:23:32valiant3400What is the sansapatcher, and where may I find this?
22:23:34Soapif you are willing to invest the time, you can buy a iPod mini, take the main board, and resell the screen, HD, battery, case, and touchpad on ebay for twice what you paid.
22:23:41JavaMan22im going to name a cirt
22:23:49JavaMan22and you must tell me if im right or wrong
22:23:51naddSoap, hmm ..
22:23:53BenKolodnyhow do i get permission to write
22:23:57linuxstbJavaMan22: I live in London.
22:24:06JavaMan22wrong person then
22:24:21JavaMan22my high school guidance courselor is David Chapman
22:24:33JavaMan22i was wondering if they were same person haah
22:24:34linuxstbvaliant3400: Follow the install instructions in the manual, and that links to the sansapatcher downloads for various platforms.
22:24:45hardeepick, nested functions
22:24:52naddok people, thnx for the great work on rockbox ..
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22:25:06Bagderhardeep: I agree on the ick
22:25:52valiant3400I wish to uninstall, I should still find it in install instructions
22:26:02linuxstbvaliant3400: Yes.
22:26:09hardeepit's breaking the mac simulator... better to fix on mac side or remove nested function?
22:26:29BenKolodnysorry to ask again but how in the world do i get persmission to write so i could attach something in the rockbox twiki
22:26:32linuxstbvaliant3400: But the Sansa uninstall instructions only work if you installed Rockbox with sansapatcher originally.
22:27:30linuxstbBenKolodny: Done.
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22:30:22valiant3400I found sansapatcher. thanks
22:32:34BenKolodnythanx man (linuxstb)
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22:33:53woodensoulhey you blokes, can someone point me to instructions on how to convert videos for playback in rockbox?
22:34:46valiant3400hmm the store I'm going to after bit doesn't sell IAudio or IRiver players, just IPods and a few sansas. does rockbox speech and access to recording and things work ok that anybody knows? I couldn't get my player's voice to be loud enough for me to hear it easily and it wouldn't get loud enough for me to understand the music I was listening to
22:35:12valiant3400ok with IPods I mean
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23:02:38linuxstbLlorean: You just beat me to that last forum reply about files shared in IRC...
23:03:08linuxstb(I had drafted an almost identical reply)
23:03:50webguest00I don't own any of the archos targets but when I compile them they ask for the memory size, Says 2mb is defult, But it then goes on to make a compressed "image" or whatever it is, IS this normal? or should I select a larger memory size?
23:04:01Bagderits normal
23:04:13webguest00wow you read that fast
23:04:16Bagderthey have a rather narrow maximum limit of the binary size
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23:04:30Lloreanlinuxstb: I mean it's just a case of Sansa users being very, very, very eager (hence the number of "bricks" earlier on) but it bore saying for sure.
23:05:23linuxstbLlorean: The anythingbutipod forums seem full of tutorials and unofficial installers as well, but I see both you and Bagder are posting there.
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23:05:44Bagderyeah, when I feel bored enough
23:06:20Bagdermost of what they ask there is already answered on the site or in our forums
23:06:49Lloreanlinuxstb: I have a bookmarks folder called "places to watch out for" that opens tabs in several forums just so I can try to keep things from getting too bad in the areas outside my control. :)
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23:06:51linuxstbI was wondering why our own Sansa forum was so quiet - it seems abi is the place to be for Sansa users...
23:07:09Bagderits like the MR for sansas
23:07:14LloreanMostly just to try to keep tabs on wildly improbably descriptions of how things work, etc.
23:07:52LloreanFor example I heard Rockbox's iPod battery life was worse because unlike the original firmware, we load files instead of using a database, so we have to seek the file out every time. :)
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23:08:11webguest00When I try to build more than one target at a time that use the sh-arm compilers I get errors after it finishes the build. Reads some thing about the flash being full
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23:08:18webguest00what am I doing wrong?
23:08:26Bagderthat too is common
23:08:31Bagdercheck the table
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23:09:08linuxstbwebguest00: Rockbox is currently too big to fit in the available flash on some targets.
23:09:28LloreanFortunately, those targets don't require flashing, it's just an added bonus.
23:10:11linuxstbLlorean: What's in your list of places to check? I'm guessing, anythingbutipod, mygigabeat, ilounge?
23:10:36Lloreanlinuxstb: Actually, mygigabeat wasn't in it, just because I haven't noticed too much gigabeat related noise in our forums yet
23:10:42JavaMan22what the
23:10:49LloreanI've got ilounge, anythingbutipod, misticriver, and iaudiophile.
23:10:52JavaMan22the elephant dream i downloaded is only 11 minutes??!
23:11:06LloreanJavaMan22: "Short Films" aren't often that long.
23:11:23JavaMan22i thought i was getting full version?
23:11:35LloreanThat is the full version.
23:11:38Soapthat is a full length version of a "short film"
23:11:40LloreanElephant's Dream is a short film.
23:11:41midgeyJavaMan22: rebuffing isn't implemented
23:11:48Lloreanmidgey: Elephant's Dream IS 11 minutes.
23:11:55midgeybut yes, elephants dream is short
23:11:59midgeyllorean :)
23:12:15midgeyi was thinking it was around 15 minutes
23:13:05linuxstbIt's 653.8 seconds - so just under 11 minutes...
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23:13:27midgeyi guess thats what i get for not checking ;)
23:13:44*linuxstb has started work on rebuffering
23:13:49*Llorean cheers
23:13:52JavaMan22what is rebuffering?
23:14:04linuxstbMainly just to stop people asking about it...
23:14:08LloreanI figured.
23:14:13webguest00I need some testing done on a shell script that I made
23:14:21LloreanYou do realize as soon as you've got rebuffering it'll be seeking, and then playlisting...
23:14:24Soapboth the 128 pixel wide versions and the 160x96 version have a chance of fitting w/o rebuffering on 32MB targets.
23:14:29linuxstbLlorean: Exactly...
23:14:40midgeythen speed on coldfire...
23:14:46linuxstbAnd people will always be asking for MPEG-4/xvid/divx/whatever support...
23:14:49webguest00allows a person to choose up to 9 builds to make
23:15:09LloreanWe've got a Summer of Code applicant who's expressed interest in WMA, by the way.
23:15:40linuxstbGood. I don't think it will be that hard - but it's time-consuming and requires someone with motivation.
23:15:42midgeyand he's got the know-how and experience?
23:16:00webguest00at the top of my website
23:16:06JavaMan22how about speeding up rockbooy :)
23:16:17Lloreanmidgey: A lot of it falls more in the "determination" category than anything else, I believe.
23:16:19webguest00please try it out!
23:16:29webguest00I need comments on how to make it better
23:16:39LloreanJavaMan22: Speeding up Rockboy is a rather low, low priority in my opinion, it's hardly in line with the core focus.
23:16:47*midgey wonders if he should apply to SoC
23:16:54LloreanThough there is an applicant who's expressed interest in Rockboy work
23:17:13Lloreanmidgey: It looks likely that four applicants will get through on our project
23:17:26LloreanGoogle's supposed to be accepting 800 students divided among 132 projects, with varying numbers to each.
23:17:45Bagderthe 4 is just want I have asked for
23:17:45midgeyLlorean: whats the chance that applicant is interested in finishing up dynarec?
23:17:50Bagderwhat I
23:18:04linuxstbAnd the students get about $5000 each?
23:18:05LloreanBagder: With 800/132, 4 seems likely.
23:18:08Lloreanlinuxstb: 4500
23:18:11Bagderah true
23:18:11LloreanMinus taxes.
23:18:33midgeythere was a user who was looking for amiconn. he seemed interested in Viewpoints. Idk if he was planning on applying
23:18:36BagderLlorean: but otoh, I doubt all the applications are equally good spread over all projects
23:18:42JavaMan22Llorean what is the core focus
23:18:48linuxstbThat's a fair amount of money from google - $3.6m
23:18:52midgeymusic :)
23:18:58Lloreanmidgey: He's more interest in a few more screen scaling modes (the ability to have the image fullscreen, and slide the viewport on smaller screened targets) and I think volume control in-plugin.
23:19:10LloreanJavaMan22: Audio functionality. Rockbox is a music player..
23:19:38JavaMan22well i downloaded rockbox to have cool things
23:19:40LloreanBagder: Yeah, well I imagine larger / better known projects like OpenOffice or Firefox will get more assigned students.
23:19:46JavaMan22if i wanted to listen to music i can do that already!
23:19:48Soapisn't WMA an exception? Shouldn't even (*shudder*) Doom come before WMA? ;)
23:19:57BagderLlorean: I think so too
23:20:06midgeyLlorean: hmm, that probably wouldnt be a ton of work actually
23:20:10LloreanJavaMan22: Well, that's your choice. But that's not what the project's about. Rockbox can play music better than almost any MP3 firmware out there.
23:20:26Lloreanmidgey: After he's done that, he wants to port Scorched Earth. His application is more of a general "game improvement" kinda thing.
23:20:34LloreanOr rather a scorched earth clone.
23:20:47midgeyi see
23:20:51LloreanBagder: I think though, that getting four isn't all too unlikely, though I guess we'll known after the 26th.
23:21:18mattzzHm, is there a special point when battery_bench writes to the battery_bench.txt file?
23:21:36Lloreanmattzz: At any disk spinup, I believe.
23:21:47LloreanOr at any disk spinup after 30 minutes has passed?
23:22:14mattzzHm, at power down after a long time, there are no further entries.
23:23:03midgeyjust curious, but why is album art a SoC project? hasn't Nico_P done a lot of work on that already?
23:23:23midgeyonce Metadata on buffer is done, it will probably require a rework anywya
23:23:38linuxstbmidgey: I would agree, AA isn't a SoC project by itself.
23:23:53Bagdermidgey: people apply for what they want
23:24:02Bagderwe can't stop them to do it for aa
23:24:39LloreanWe need more people to click the "I'm willing to Mentor" button on projects, very very soon
23:24:58LloreanThe reason "Album Art" is above the line despite its overall evaluation is because at least someone has agreed to mentor it.
23:25:24Lloreanmattzz: You interrupted the benchmark several times?
23:25:42mattzzLlorean: it was running the whole day, inbetween is stopped the pluging, did a shutdown. Resumed, started plugin, 2h running, powerdown (without stopping the plugin first)
23:26:07Bagder"I haven't even tried this myself (maybe Dan will, he seems to be the first to try any crazy idea someone comes up with," / MrH (speaking of some fun i2c hacking and hw mod on the sansa)
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23:26:41LloreanBagder: What kind of HW mod?
23:26:56Bagderpulling the data line on the i2c bus to the ground
23:27:00Lloreanmattzz: I dunno. It may have something to do with how the Sansa decides to write it, since there's no disk to actually spin up.
23:27:11webguest00Will anyone test my script?
23:27:25Soapwebguest00: I will later tonight,
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23:27:44BagderLlorean: he's working to find means to save the last percentage of the "bricked" sansas
23:28:02mattzzLlorean: OK, I will have a look at it
23:28:03webguest00I will make a forum in the getting started and compiling section!
23:28:04Soapwell, actually I'll look at it - I already have a hard-coded one, a flexible one would be interesting to look at, and possibly use.
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23:28:23webguest00and will put a link there from my website so you can make comments
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23:28:47mentbtw have you ever thought of turning DAC into synth?
23:28:51LloreanBagder: I have to wonder, how many of those will be able to do what's necessary?
23:29:40Bagdernot many, but this is still only research
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23:30:02LloreanYeah, it'll be interesting to hear what comes of it, certainly.
23:30:04Bagderan attempt to force the sansa to boot from the usb
23:30:19Bagderor similar
23:32:11Lloreanwebguest00: Please, use real words in our forums, not things like "ppl"
23:32:16Bagdergrrr, the gsoc server is silly
23:32:36JavaMan22im going to release a new version of my game tonight will anyone want to play?
23:32:38LloreanBagder: It was slow to me. I'd be curious how much traffic they're getting as the deadline aproaches.
23:33:01linuxstbIs there a SoC page describing how mentors should evaluate applications (i.e. how to score etc) ?
23:34:08*linuxstb has found it
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23:35:12Lloreanlinuxstb: What page did you find?
23:37:14LloreanAh, okay, I was thinking you'd maybe found something that discussed evaluation a bit more.
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23:39:03webguest00another question: Is it possible to make a shell script executable by default? Like when people download a script from my website it is not executable by defualt, Can I change this?
23:39:19webguest00too bad
23:39:23Lloreanwebguest00: Part of the whole security concept of linux lies within that limitation.
23:39:31webguest00ya i know
23:40:16LloreanIf the people providing the files could override it, it'd negate even having that there.
23:40:54Bagderwebguest00: this may sound a bit harsh, but your build script is waaaaay more complicated than it would need to be
23:41:43linuxstbwebguest00: You could put your script inside a .tar file
23:43:13linuxstbWho actually decides on the successful students? Us or google?
23:43:41Bagdergoogle I believe
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23:44:05linuxstbSo we could end up with projects/students we don't really want?
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23:44:38Bagderhm, not if they don't have a mentor I guess
23:44:40linuxstbBut I guess that if no mentors step forward for a project, then that student can't be accepted.
23:44:52Bagderand possibly they would need a certain score or something, at least not negative
23:45:25webguest00Bagder: How is it way more complicated?
23:45:35LloreanIt says that : 6. Google allocates a particular number of student slots to each organization 7. Students are notified of acceptance
23:45:39LloreanIt doesn't say who notifies them.
23:45:55webguest00linuxstb: or a zip file? for the non linux users?
23:45:56Bagderwebguest00: my script that builds all daily builds is less than 200 lines (perl, but still)
23:46:00LloreanIt may just be that google allocates a set number of students and the project administrators get final acceptance.
23:46:12linuxstbwebguest00: No, zip files don't store file permissions (afaik).
23:46:24webguest00linuxstb: stupid
23:46:39LloreanBut I imagine we want to have the 4 student we want most with the highest 4 scores, with mentors assigned, by the 26th
23:46:59linuxstbwebguest00: But windows users don't need an execute bit set...
23:46:59BagderLlorean: I believe we can add mentors and score them etc even after the 26th
23:47:23webguest00Bagder: It wouldn't be hard to make it do all "my" builds but my script will do any build
23:47:27scorchei was reading, and it appears that google chooses who gets accepted from a ranked list that we send them
23:47:54Bagderwebguest00: well, my script obviously does that too
23:48:23webguest00linuxstb: for those who use cygwin they would not have a .tar extractor, or would they?
23:48:24Lloreanscorche: A ranked list, but not the same as the evaluation list. It says clearly google doesn't take into account the "scores", though perhaps it does take into account their position in the list.
23:48:29Bagderwebguest00: its just that you use a lot of repeated calls and specific words all over instead of more functions and variables
23:48:56scorcheLlorean: it was something about how much we value those projects that the students put forth and rank them on that value
23:48:56Bagderbut hey, as long as it works and fulfills a purpose
23:48:57Lloreanwebguest00: I can extract tars on windows no problem. I have about four utilities, two of which are very, very common, that can do it.
23:49:19Lloreanscorche: I think the order they appear on the evaluation page is what will be considered "rank" but I'm not sure.
23:49:25webguest00Badger: Did you actualy try the script?
23:49:36webguest00Llorean: good to know
23:49:47BagderI have dozens of these scripts already, I don't need any new one ;-)
23:50:53webguest00Bagder: it gives a text menu and you can select up to 9 builds then it executes them I set up all the directories to reduce the build time in the future and so that other people could use it easier
23:51:11BagderI know, I read it
23:51:24LloreanBagder: It says applications without a mentor assigned "cannot proceed in the program", so I think we may want to assign some by the 26th, even if we have to swap them out later.
23:51:52Bagderassigned by the 26th?
23:52:03LloreanBagder: I'm not sure, it doesn't say a date there.
23:52:06Bagderit seems a little odd if the last application appears on that date
23:52:22LloreanBagder: I assume there's a separate deadline for mentor assignment.
23:52:29*Llorean goes to find that timeline again
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23:52:46scorcheEverybody: stop chanign your name to |away
23:52:52LloreanAh, we have until April 11th
23:52:56LloreanSo another two weeks
23:53:03LloreanWe get plenty of time to discuss.
23:53:16scorcheBagder: well, i was planning on submitting my app on the 26th (there are a few things i need to figure out first)
23:53:22Bagderwell, at april 11 the list accepted students is published
23:54:20scorcheperhaps, we should be asking these questions on #summer-discuss on SlashNet
23:55:18LloreanI think asking "What steps should we as a project make to be sure the applications we're most interested in get accepted, as the 'ranking' process is slightly unclear. Is it just the top X in the evaluation/applications list page?" is a good idea.
23:56:18Bagder could be a good place as well
23:56:41scorchewell, i am in the channel now
23:57:01*scorche goes about asking Llorean's question
23:57:11scorcheunless, you wanted to yourself
23:58:00BagderLlorean: btw, the deadline _was_ extended from the 24th so it wasn't just my drugs ;-)
23:58:21LloreanBagder: "We simply tell the orgs how many they get" apparently
23:58:42LloreanAll proposal review and ranking is done by the organizations themselves.

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