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| 00:09:23 | toffe82 | for the persons who speak thai , this seems to be a good study on the different chip used on different player, sorry I could not find a translator for this ;) |
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| 00:17:06 | JavaMan22 | does anyone have a cool plugin for ipod video :D |
| 00:17:12 | JavaMan22 | any new games :D |
| 00:17:33 | Soap | rocklife can be compiled. The source in the patch tracker is up-to-date. |
| 00:17:46 | JavaMan22 | do i have to change other files? |
| 00:17:55 | JavaMan22 | or is it just by itself |
| 00:18:58 | Soap | add it to SOURCES in the plugins directory before compiling. |
| 00:19:13 | JavaMan22 | ok |
| 00:19:14 | scorche` | if the patch doesnt do that itself |
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| 00:20:03 | JavaMan22 | btw i was going to download that movie: Elephants Dream |
| 00:20:05 | Soap | the old version didn't/ |
| 00:20:11 | JavaMan22 | but i dont know which file to download |
| 00:20:22 | Soap | pick the one based upon the resolution of your screen. |
| 00:21:07 | JavaMan22 | ipod video = 320 px? |
| 00:22:05 | Soap | yes |
| 00:25:58 | JavaMan22 | wat is bitmaps.zip? |
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| 00:42:42 | JavaMan22 | i cant compile pegbox.c :( |
| 00:42:58 | Bawitdaba | did rockbox come out for 80gb ipod yet? i only ask cuz i just got one hehe |
| 00:43:13 | Bawitdaba | this ipod is awsome dunno why it took me so long to get 1 |
| 00:43:23 | JavaMan22 | no |
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| 00:55:37 | piroko | Is there anyone in here who is working specifically on the iRiver IFP-790 port? |
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| 01:01:01 | pixelma | piroko: AFAIK tomal is the only dev so far but very seldom around here |
| 01:01:27 | piroko | Alright. Thank you. I was just gonna see if there's anything I could help with because I have one of those bad boys |
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| 01:13:07 | pixelma | piroko: maybe you can contact him via the dev mailing list (he posts there every now and then) |
| 01:13:25 | piroko | Alright. Thanks again |
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| 01:22:43 | * | linuxstb wonders why mpegplayer can't create the video thread in the sim |
| 01:24:20 | saratoga | is there anyone here whos familar with the Summer of Code application process? |
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| 01:25:29 | linuxstb | I'm vaguely familiar... What's your question. |
| 01:26:06 | tina | anyone know if a USB (to connect to PC) cable for a ihp 120 is eaasy to come by? |
| 01:26:20 | saratoga | i want to apply, but really won't know if I will have the summer off for another few weeks |
| 01:26:28 | saratoga | can I apply and then withdraw later? |
| 01:26:36 | tina | there is a mega seller on ebay but he has some negs...will any matching size usb work? |
| 01:26:41 | saratoga | if I am still employed over the summer |
| 01:27:06 | scorche | apply as in student or mentor? |
| 01:28:33 | scorche | saratoga: "Visit us in #summer-discuss on Slashnet" |
| 01:28:42 | saratoga | student |
| 01:29:15 | saratoga | thats google's discussion for the SOC? |
| 01:29:30 | scorche | so it would appear |
| 01:29:31 | tina | any suggestions on how to get a usb cable for a ihp 120? are they that crare on ebay? |
| 01:29:44 | tina | rare |
| 01:30:16 | linuxstb | tina: Yes, it's a standard USB cable - you can buy them very cheaply anywhere. It's just a "USB A Plug to Mini USB B plug" cable. |
| 01:30:39 | linuxstb | e.g. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mini-USB-Cable-USB-2-0-A-Plug-FOR-MP3-MP4-PLAYER_W0QQitemZ160099012183QQcategoryZ86540QQcmdZViewItem |
| 01:30:51 | linuxstb | (I have no idea what that seller is like - I just picked that at random). |
| 01:31:03 | tina | thanks |
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| 01:48:36 | * | linuxstb wonders why gcc doesn't complain that create_thread is defined as type "struct thread_entry*" in thread.h, but is implemented in the sim with return type "int". |
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| 01:51:51 | VoltageX | does the daily.rockbox server filter on Useragents? |
| 01:52:24 | VoltageX | I was testing a script that grabs the latest rockbox version... I think I may have been banned. |
| 01:52:40 | scorche | saratoga: did you find your answer there? |
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| 02:02:28 | linuxstb | VoltageX: Maybe you got yourself blacklisted if you were repeatedly downloading the same file within a short period of time. But I'm just guessing - you need to talk to Bagder, LinusN or Zagor when they are around (I expect they are sleeping now - they are in Sweden). |
| 02:04:06 | VoltageX | linuxstb: :/ I'm sorry for accidentally hammering that server... I don't think I'm blacklisted, just that my PHP script gets 404, Firefox can see the file fine. |
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| 02:08:20 | D0ug | Hello, is there any meathod of viewing HTML files using rockbox? |
| 02:09:10 | VoltageX | D0ug: not yet |
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| 02:10:24 | D0ug | Is there going to be any implementations of a webpage viewer soon? |
| 02:10:43 | VoltageX | D0ug: if you write it ;P |
| 02:10:57 | VoltageX | D0ug: there have been discussions about a wiki-viewer |
| 02:11:55 | linuxstb | D0ug: A full html viewer will be a huge task, but maybe a simpler kind of hypertext viewer will happen. |
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| 02:14:38 | billytwowilly | would be better to get a palmdoc or plucker or whatever the windows equivalent of palm doc is viewer. |
| 02:14:38 | VoltageX | linuxstb: any idea why one client would get 404 where another gets the file? |
| 02:15:24 | VoltageX | billytwowilly: bah, ASCII is enough for anyone |
| 02:15:34 | billytwowilly | heh |
| 02:15:39 | billytwowilly | VoltageX: your age is showing;) |
| 02:15:49 | VoltageX | billytwowilly: err, I'm 18 |
| 02:15:59 | billytwowilly | you're old at heart;) |
| 02:16:06 | VoltageX | lol |
| 02:16:15 | billytwowilly | like 72 or so;) |
| 02:16:19 | VoltageX | I did grow up editing autoexec.bat |
| 02:16:34 | billytwowilly | bah, windows user;) |
| 02:16:35 | VoltageX | and started messing with debian at age 12 :P |
| 02:16:44 | billytwowilly | oh well that's ok then;) |
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| 02:16:59 | VoltageX | OSX, windows, Linux, I don't really care. |
| 02:17:05 | linuxstb | VoltageX: Sorry, no idea. |
| 02:17:27 | VoltageX | linuxstb: which apache is build.rockbox running? |
| 02:17:44 | linuxstb | I don't know - I'm not an admin of that server. |
| 02:17:48 | VoltageX | ok |
| 02:18:25 | linuxstb | If you come back in 8 hours, you may find someone who is... |
| 02:19:04 | VoltageX | hmm, +8hrs is 6:18pm here so that should be ok |
| 02:19:36 | VoltageX | o.O wonder if rockbox is going to bork with this: 192kbit+32kbit 5 channel mp3 |
| 02:19:43 | VoltageX | never seen one like that |
| 02:19:56 | Llorean | I didn't know MP3 could do 5-channel... |
| 02:20:02 | VoltageX | neither did I |
| 02:20:06 | VoltageX | I thought it was a fake |
| 02:20:08 | VoltageX | but it's not |
| 02:20:48 | saratoga | i think theres a seperate standard for multichannel mp3 that everyone ignores |
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| 02:21:25 | VoltageX | saratoga: winamp shipped with a surround demo a couple of versions ago |
| 02:21:37 | Llorean | There's a list of limitations of MP3 at wikipedia, and it doesn't list "restricted to X channels" anywhere as a limitation, so I suppose not. |
| 02:22:03 | VoltageX | well, the surround-ness is a lie, at least with this file |
| 02:22:20 | VoltageX | it's 224kbit 2 channel... wonder why you would lie about that |
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| 02:22:36 | VoltageX | this is assuming the channel information is stored normally in the MP3 header |
| 02:23:57 | VoltageX | it'll be a few hours until I can check properly anyways, the file is still downloading |
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| 02:25:39 | amiconn | mpeg multichannel is implemented in a way so that decoders not knowing it won't see the extra channel data |
| 02:25:55 | VoltageX | hi amiconn , that's good to know |
| 02:26:23 | VoltageX | GSpot Codec Appliance should be able to see the channels if they are there, and it reports 2 channels only |
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| 02:28:09 | VoltageX | is Xing a good or bad encoder? |
| 02:31:00 | saratoga | the later Xing versions were ok |
| 02:31:07 | saratoga | early ones were quite poor |
| 02:31:16 | saratoga | theres been about 800 Xing encoders over the years though |
| 02:31:36 | VoltageX | lol, apparently that's what encoded this multi-channel mp3 |
| 02:33:46 | saratoga | i would expect fhg |
| 02:33:52 | saratoga | i think multichannel MP3 is their hack |
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| 02:39:35 | GrooveStix | hey folks! |
| 02:39:59 | GrooveStix | anyone knows anything about Gigabeats? |
| 02:39:59 | VoltageX | hi |
| 02:40:02 | D0ug | What is this Wiki-Viewer that you recently spoke of? |
| 02:40:54 | GrooveStix | or battery configurations? |
| 02:41:37 | VoltageX | D0ug: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4755 |
| 02:42:02 | D0ug | Thank you |
| 02:42:20 | markun | GrooveStix: what do you want to know? |
| 02:42:42 | GrooveStix | well my batt for my GigaBeat has been underperforming |
| 02:42:45 | VoltageX | D0ug: remember, the tracker is not a support forum, you're on your own there |
| 02:42:52 | GrooveStix | since I switched to rockbox |
| 02:43:04 | markun | GrooveStix: and did you try to switch back? |
| 02:43:37 | GrooveStix | no! are you suggesting that the firmware might be the problem? |
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| 02:44:05 | markun | GrooveStix: more to try to narrow down the problem |
| 02:44:15 | markun | I don't have any battery problems |
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| 02:44:20 | Llorean | GrooveStix: No, but many people who phrase it like "since I switched" suggest it is Rockbox, and then go back and test the original firmware to find out under equivalent conditions, it's just as bad (or worse) |
| 02:44:21 | GrooveStix | hmm |
| 02:44:49 | GrooveStix | I thought it's the configuration |
| 02:44:54 | markun | GrooveStix: if you browse through your files a lot you should turn on 'dircache' for better battery performance |
| 02:45:14 | markun | it will make browsing a lot faster also |
| 02:45:36 | GrooveStix | I think there's a problem with the batt power configuration menu |
| 02:45:41 | GrooveStix | i see here |
| 02:45:43 | GrooveStix | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatInfo |
| 02:45:46 | GrooveStix | that |
| 02:46:01 | GrooveStix | the battery is 830mAh Li-ion |
| 02:46:19 | markun | GrooveStix: forget about that setting |
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| 02:46:36 | markun | it doesn't change how long the battery lastsx |
| 02:46:58 | GrooveStix | ok, I was confused because I tried to change it to 839 |
| 02:47:05 | GrooveStix | *830 |
| 02:47:30 | GrooveStix | but the number range is from 2500-1500 |
| 02:47:39 | Llorean | GrooveStix: That setting doesn't matter. |
| 02:47:50 | markun | GrooveStix: well, it only makes a difference to the runtime estimation, but that is not working well on the Gigabeat anyway |
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| 02:48:12 | GrooveStix | ok, well what's the default ? 2200 ? |
| 02:48:22 | markun | GrooveStix: it doesn't matter.. |
| 02:48:25 | GrooveStix | ok |
| 02:48:41 | markun | GrooveStix: howmany hours does your Gigabeat last with rockbox? |
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| 02:49:07 | moIsTheMo | @find archos |
| 02:49:18 | markun | moIsTheMo: found! |
| 02:49:28 | moIsTheMo | 10X |
| 02:49:43 | GrooveStix | I was thinking about timing it, although it seems like it's performing |
| 02:49:49 | moIsTheMo | found! archos |
| 02:50:01 | GrooveStix | half of the originall performace time |
| 02:50:16 | markun | GrooveStix: so, howmany hours more or less? |
| 02:50:43 | moIsTheMo | found! |
| 02:50:48 | GrooveStix | oh wait! |
| 02:50:56 | GrooveStix | I just submitted last.fm log |
| 02:51:10 | GrooveStix | I can see how much music I lisened to! |
| 02:51:18 | markun | anyway, have a good night all.. |
| 02:52:08 | markun | moIsTheMo: I was just trying to be funny and reply to your @fine (don't even know what it should do) |
| 02:52:23 | markun | sorry for making you think 'found!' does something.. |
| 02:52:26 | moIsTheMo | oh |
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| 02:53:05 | moIsTheMo | in some chanels its a way to find files |
| 02:53:21 | piroko | I'm in a bit of trouble. I only have access to a linux machine, and I've followed the instructions to try to restore my ipod using this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore , but all I get is the evil folder-exclamation-point icon on reboot ;( |
| 02:53:31 | Llorean | moIsTheMo: What files would you expect to find here, out of curiosity? |
| 02:54:36 | moIsTheMo | is there eny way that i can use my archos 404 to play mpeg and not paying 20$? |
| 02:54:41 | linuxstb | piroko: If you put it in disk mode, does ipodpatcher recognise it? |
| 02:55:02 | Llorean | moIsTheMo: The 404 is not one of the players Rockbox runs on. |
| 02:55:10 | Llorean | The list is on the front page of the site. |
| 02:55:12 | piroko | linuxstb: I'm on ppc linux so I can't use ipodpatcher :( Shall I boot into mac? |
| 02:55:16 | moIsTheMo | yeah i know |
| 02:55:21 | linuxstb | piroko: Just compile it yourself... |
| 02:55:31 | Llorean | moIsTheMo: Well, this is #Rockbox, so it's for Rockbox discussion... |
| 02:55:31 | piroko | I couldn't find the source code |
| 02:55:55 | moIsTheMo | ok ,gave it a tray |
| 02:56:31 | linuxstb | piroko: svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk/rbutil/ipodpatcher ipodpatcher |
| 02:56:37 | moIsTheMo | so mybe you know an archos channel? |
| 02:56:40 | piroko | There it is! Thank you! |
| 02:57:22 | linuxstb | piroko: If you want to build it with all the bootloaders embedded, follow the instructions at the top of the Makefile. |
| 02:57:56 | moIsTheMo | ? |
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| 02:58:31 | linuxstb | moIsTheMo: Maybe the archopen project - but I'm not sure how well developed that it. See http://www.archopen.org |
| 02:58:43 | moIsTheMo | 10Q |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:03 | piroko | ipodpatcher gave this: [ERR] Firmware partition doesn't contain Apple copyright, aborting. |
| 03:00:21 | linuxstb | That's useful. |
| 03:00:30 | piroko | Sarcasm? |
| 03:00:37 | linuxstb | No, I'm serious. |
| 03:00:43 | piroko | Ok good :) |
| 03:00:46 | linuxstb | You download the .ipsw file and unzipped it? |
| 03:01:07 | piroko | HAHA |
| 03:01:13 | piroko | I didn't realize it was a zip file :P |
| 03:01:14 | linuxstb | That error shows that the partition table is correct, but the contents of the firmware partition is wrong. |
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| 03:01:29 | GrooveStix | ohh screw it! I'll come back when I figure out the problem |
| 03:02:00 | piroko | Brilliant. Thank you linuxstb |
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| 03:02:28 | piroko | What kind of extension is ipsw anyway? |
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| 03:03:31 | linuxstb | Is your PPC Linux box a PS3 by any chance? |
| 03:03:41 | piroko | Nope. Powerbook :) |
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| 03:11:30 | Bawitdaba | anyone know if its possible to make custom eqs on/for ipod with its stock firm |
| 03:11:38 | Bawitdaba | 5.5 gen |
| 03:11:46 | Llorean | Bawitdaba: This channel has nothing to do with the stock firmware. |
| 03:11:51 | Bawitdaba | i know |
| 03:12:12 | Llorean | Then please follow the channel guidelines and try to stay on topic. |
| 03:12:25 | Bawitdaba | its a simple question |
| 03:12:28 | Bawitdaba | dont have to be an ass |
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| 03:12:49 | Bawitdaba | no one has spoken in 20 minutes |
| 03:13:14 | Llorean | The channel is logged, off-topic questions make searching the logs harder. That's why the guidelines exist in the first place. |
| 03:13:28 | Llorean | If you'd actually read the guidelines page, you'd know this. |
| 03:13:40 | Bawitdaba | i don't know how to read |
| 03:14:12 | Bawitdaba | is there a stats usage for these web logs |
| 03:14:28 | Llorean | What do you mean by 'stats usage'? |
| 03:14:29 | Bawitdaba | id love to know whos scrolling thru irc logs for the past weeks lmao |
| 03:14:35 | Llorean | Many of us. |
| 03:14:43 | Bawitdaba | must be boring |
| 03:14:48 | Bawitdaba | i would demand a raise |
| 03:15:32 | Llorean | Boring or not, the channel has guidelines to be followed. |
| 03:15:42 | Bawitdaba | YES SIR! |
| 03:15:46 | Bawitdaba | er caps lock |
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| 03:16:35 | piroko | Bawitdaba: You sound like an angry twelve year old :P |
| 03:16:46 | Bawitdaba | naw |
| 03:16:47 | Llorean | piroko: Hate to say it, but that's not on topic either. |
| 03:16:48 | piroko | :-D |
| 03:16:55 | piroko | Haha. K k |
| 03:16:58 | Bawitdaba | yeah dude stay on topic |
| 03:17:05 | Bawitdaba | were bloating zee precious web logs here |
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| 03:26:44 | chrisjs169|afk | i've been busy today, but were the sound 'settings' modified for the Sansa today? I just updated to the latest build and a lot of my songs are skipping... |
| 03:30:15 | Overand | I've had some issues with locking up with the new firmware on my iPod, but i can't really track it down to a specific thing |
| 03:30:29 | Overand | not sure how to file bug reports- it's during playback, really |
| 03:30:55 | Llorean | Overand: What bootloader version are you using? |
| 03:31:03 | Overand | i used a 'recent' one |
| 03:31:09 | Overand | the patcher didn't have parameters |
| 03:31:15 | Overand | is there a way for me to check? |
| 03:31:25 | Overand | i downloaded it from the link in the html manual for the video ipod |
| 03:31:48 | Llorean | What type of iPod do you have? |
| 03:31:55 | Overand | i did hear that the older bootloader had some stability problems with the ipod - oh, and i've had inconsistent behavior with my scroll wheel |
| 03:31:58 | Overand | 5g 60 gig |
| 03:32:01 | Llorean | chrisjs169|afk: It doesn't look like there have been any changed that could cause that. |
| 03:32:04 | Overand | er |
| 03:32:10 | Overand | 'stability problemd with the current firmware' |
| 03:32:12 | Llorean | Overand: And you're using a Rockbox bootloader, not the iPL one? |
| 03:32:14 | Overand | the scrollwheel usually is 'slow' |
| 03:32:17 | Overand | Llorean: correct |
| 03:32:34 | Llorean | What kind of stability problems, _exactly_? |
| 03:32:34 | Overand | and the scrollwheel has always been 'slow' - but once, when i was scrolling, it moved through the list at near-native ipod-firmware speed |
| 03:32:46 | Overand | Llorean: locking up, usually i *think* during song starts |
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| 03:33:02 | Overand | skipping from one track to another, *possibly* when i've been playing with plugins recently |
| 03:33:24 | Overand | I know that's only semi-specific, and i'm not certain that's accurate- I *will* see if I can figure it out more specifically as I use it. |
| 03:33:30 | chrisjs169|afk | Llorean, weird...the display sometime freezes up while playing music, but right now almost every song i play 'skips' |
| 03:33:52 | Llorean | Overand: What kind of freeze? Does the backlight respond, is there a message of any sort? |
| 03:34:01 | Overand | bacvklight doesn't respond, no message |
| 03:34:07 | Llorean | chrisjs169|afk: Have you changed _anything_ other than just updating to a new build? |
| 03:34:09 | Overand | i can't do anything except hold select+menu |
| 03:34:18 | Overand | (I'm *pretty* sure the backlight doesn't respond) |
| 03:34:27 | Llorean | Overand: And what "current firmware" do you mean? Which SVN revision is it? |
| 03:34:32 | Llorean | And I assume you've got no patches. |
| 03:34:35 | Overand | no patches |
| 03:34:48 | Overand | it was a nightly from... ~2-3 days ago. grabbing version now |
| 03:34:53 | Llorean | That's not current |
| 03:34:57 | chrisjs169|afk | Llorean, well, I installed a new bootloader, but forgot to load the OF and it didn't update (after updating, no difference either) |
| 03:35:12 | Overand | Llorean: I could pull down a new one. |
| 03:35:14 | Llorean | Overand: Please, when you say the current version, mean the one you get from the "Current Version" link, not a 3 day old build. |
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| 03:35:24 | Overand | Llorean: yeah, that's reasonable. |
| 03:35:25 | Overand | sorry |
| 03:35:35 | Overand | I hadn't thought about how long it had been. |
| 03:35:45 | Llorean | chrisjs169|afk: Forgot to load the OF? |
| 03:35:46 | Overand | 07/03/20 |
| 03:35:56 | Llorean | chrisjs169|afk: I don't even know what you mean by that exactly |
| 03:36:16 | Overand | I'll install a new one and see. Is there a specific link I should use for the bootloader, or was the one in the html-manual correct? |
| 03:36:42 | Llorean | Overand: Build and Bootloader are two different things. |
| 03:36:46 | Overand | Llorean: I know that. |
| 03:36:59 | Overand | I'm asking about the bootloader now, I'm already on my way to pull down the build. |
| 03:37:02 | chrisjs169|afk | Llorean, I had manually compiled a new bootloader/mi4 file, but forgot to go back into the OF to have it update it |
| 03:37:08 | Overand | I just want to make sure I'm not uysing a stale bootloader. |
| 03:37:17 | Llorean | Overand: If your bootloader was built into ipodpatcher, then it's new enugh |
| 03:37:20 | Llorean | enough |
| 03:37:25 | Overand | K, thanks. |
| 03:37:29 | Llorean | chrisjs169|afk: That's not the install process any more. |
| 03:37:36 | Llorean | chrisjs169|afk: Not even remotely close to it, even. |
| 03:37:48 | chrisjs169|afk | lol |
| 03:37:51 | Overand | Llorean: with a 3-day-old build, should i bother re-writing the .rockbox directory structure, or can I just overwrite the rockbox binary itself? |
| 03:38:02 | Llorean | Overand: ALWAYS rewrite the .rockbox folder. |
| 03:38:09 | Overand | Llorean: I always do, that's why I asked =] |
| 03:38:12 | Llorean | That's why our documentation says explicitly to extract the whole .zip to the device. |
| 03:38:33 | Overand | Llorean: I always extract that, then decompress my themes, and re-do any prefs changes by hand |
| 03:39:05 | Llorean | You shouldn't need to re-do any changes to the main config or re-extrac themes. |
| 03:39:36 | Overand | Llorean: so overwriting the contents of .rockbox is ok, leaving the files I already have there OK? |
| 03:39:44 | Overand | I would actually wipe (well, rename) the existing .rockbox |
| 03:39:54 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 03:40:25 | Overand | thanks. sorry to be asking basic stuff here, but I'd rather not have any other problems potentially leading to issues with this if i'm going to try to track down a bug |
| 03:40:40 | Overand | oh- do you have any idea what might have caused the hugely different scroll-wheel-through-file-list speeds? |
| 03:41:35 | Llorean | It shouldn't have changed drastically between recent builds |
| 03:41:44 | Overand | That's the thing- it wasn't between builds. |
| 03:41:47 | Overand | It's always been 'slow' |
| 03:41:59 | Overand | but for about 15 seconds, it was scrolling 'fast.' |
| 03:41:59 | Llorean | Well then what's it hugely different from? |
| 03:42:09 | Overand | have you used native ipod firmware? |
| 03:42:11 | Llorean | Yes |
| 03:42:16 | Llorean | But Rockbox has always been slower than that |
| 03:42:22 | Overand | yes, I know |
| 03:42:32 | Llorean | So what are you asking, _exactly_ |
| 03:42:32 | Overand | but for ~15 seconds it scrolled significantly faster than it usually does |
| 03:42:58 | Llorean | Possibly while the CPU was boosting. |
| 03:43:03 | Overand | I know the ipod firmware has 'acceleration' that rockbox doesn't use, but this was still the 'feel' or rockbox, but instead of. |
| 03:43:06 | Overand | aah.... |
| 03:43:08 | Overand | that would explain it. |
| 03:43:32 | Overand | It didn't ever happen on my ~2 month old single-cpu build, but it's only happened once so far on this newer one |
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| 03:44:25 | Overand | It was actually a welcome change, though, the scroll speed is a little slow. Alright, I've got the new firmware loaded, I'll beat on it and see if I can get it to freeze, and see if the backlight responds, etc. |
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| 03:47:59 | Domonoky_ | if someone likes to try the redesigned rbutil: domonoky/rbutil.zip">http://b23.org/~domonoky/rbutil.zip <- win32 binary | patch is in the tracker |
| 03:48:18 | chrisjs169|afk | Llorean, I just reinstalled everything the proper way |
| 03:49:52 | chrisjs169|afk | So far it works =P |
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| 04:04:17 | Overand | Llorean: the cpu boost thing does seem to make sense- after playback's been paused for a bit, the increased scroll speed goes back to 'normal.' |
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| 04:05:42 | Overand | ah, hre's an ol bug |
| 04:06:00 | Overand | where the skin doesn't get the id3 info, and displays the filename of a different file in the directory than is playing |
| 04:06:20 | Overand | +5 actually, in this case |
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| 04:07:10 | Overand | +2 in a different album, hm. but the the 'next track' info is proper/correct |
| 04:08:16 | Overand | but 'stopping' and starting again returns it to normal |
| 04:09:04 | Overand | (Never noticed that workaround before) - now i'll check flyspray |
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| 04:18:21 | Overand | didn't find it on flyspray |
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| 04:38:50 | Soap | Ok, so who did Sansa kiss behind the bleachers to get battery calibration already, and what do I have to do to accomplish the same for iPod? |
| 04:40:53 | Llorean | Soap: Maybe just ask barry if he'd do it for you based on benches you'd provide? I think a lot of people just don't know what exactly needs to be modified. |
| 04:41:29 | Soap | heck, I can collect benches until the cows come home if that is all he needs. |
| 04:42:16 | Llorean | I'm pretty sure it just needs one "good" bench, so that it can be seen how voltage values compare to time passes. |
| 04:42:32 | Llorean | I think it needs a voltage for each 10% increment including 100 and 0. |
| 04:42:43 | Llorean | 10% of the time, not 10% of the capacity |
| 04:42:47 | Llorean | But I'm not sure. |
| 04:42:55 | Llorean | time-remaining. |
| 04:43:00 | Soap | right |
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| 04:45:14 | OS2_Warp_user | Hi |
| 04:45:30 | OS2_Warp_user | I |
| 04:45:32 | OS2_Warp_user | I |
| 04:46:18 | OS2_Warp_user | I've just updated rockbox and it "data aborts everytime I try to play a song now |
| 04:46:28 | Llorean | OS2_Warp_user: Update the bootloader. |
| 04:46:37 | Soap | is your bootlo - Ll is fast. |
| 04:46:41 | Overand | heh. |
| 04:46:43 | Llorean | Follow the bootloader install in the manual, it's the same process for updating. |
| 04:47:11 | OS2_Warp_user | thanks! |
| 04:48:00 | Soap | Wow, those series of patches were simple enough I think I fully understood them. |
| 04:48:47 | Llorean | Soap: Yeah, it doesn't look too hard. |
| 04:49:03 | Llorean | Soap: I just want to know _exactly_ what those numbers are supposed to represent. |
| 04:49:14 | Llorean | I stated my assumption, but we know how assumptions can turn out. :) |
| 04:49:44 | Soap | from the tracker comment, 330 = the zero point 3.3 volts, the point at which the hardware powers down. |
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| 04:50:43 | Soap | tracker said 340 is the warning level, but the next increment in the patch is 339, so yea assumptions assumptions. |
| 04:51:07 | Llorean | Especially since we have different maximum voltages listed for different LIIONs |
| 04:51:25 | Llorean | I'd also like to know what the "scale factor" relates to, as it may need to be changed for different iPods. |
| 04:51:44 | Soap | I gotta believe it would. |
| 04:53:00 | Soap | also interesting how much lower the shutoff value appears to be when compared to other targets. |
| 04:53:11 | Overand | I know very early ipods were LiPoly, though that's probably immaterial |
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| 05:02:02 | Soap | looking at all the iPod battery benches (across model) 3.5v=not long of this world. |
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| 06:06:40 | VoltageX | anyone active? |
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| 06:21:42 | n17ikh|Lappy | encoding videos to work on the h10? Intriguing! |
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| 06:43:38 | n17ikh|Lappy | glitches on about the bottom 1/8th of the screen |
| 06:46:22 | n17ikh|Lappy | sound quality is awful, but that's probably an artifact of the GUI encoder's encoding of lossy to lossy |
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| 08:36:25 | VoltageX | Bagder: you here? |
| 08:36:44 | VoltageX | marc: do you know why a PHP script would get 404 on a daily build where Firefox is fine? |
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| 09:26:53 | scorche | midkay: you, me, now |
| 09:27:23 | midkay | scorche: can't, sorry. |
| 09:27:35 | scorche | such a flake... |
| 09:27:52 | midkay | flake? i literally *can't*. i have no access to any map-related stuff right now. |
| 09:28:10 | scorche | still a flake |
| 09:28:15 | midkay | if i wanted to avoid you/playing.. i wouldn't have installed and configured and connected xchat just now. |
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| 09:35:00 | VoltageX_ | hellooo! |
| 09:42:17 | VoltageX_ | should be morning in Sweden land now |
| 09:42:49 | Llorean | VoltageX_: Yes, saturday morning. Some people sleep in, or have lives. :-P |
| 09:42:57 | VoltageX_ | :P |
| 09:43:06 | VoltageX_ | a life? can I apt-get one of those? |
| 09:45:09 | VoltageX_ | Llorean: why would my php script be getting a 404 on the daily builds, whereas Firefox is fine. |
| 09:45:37 | Llorean | VoltageX_: You've been told who you'd need to talk to about that. |
| 09:46:04 | VoltageX_ | yes, and I'm hoping one of those people pop in something soon |
| 09:46:25 | VoltageX_ | sometime* |
| 09:46:28 | VoltageX_ | lol |
| 09:46:29 | Llorean | Well, why did you ask me then? :-P |
| 09:46:34 | VoltageX_ | I don't know |
| 09:46:37 | VoltageX_ | I hit tab |
| 09:52:03 | VoltageX_ | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/h300/rockbox-h300.zip is correct isn't it? |
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| 09:58:34 | std|denis | hey guys |
| 09:59:02 | std|denis | does somebody tried to use the bootloader from current SVN? |
| 09:59:10 | std|denis | on iRiver H1xx |
| 09:59:57 | scorche | well, im sure that the developer who committed it tried it first... |
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| 10:00:17 | std|denis | i got a unexpected behaviour |
| 10:00:43 | scorche | and i got a very unspecific response |
| 10:00:51 | std|denis | i changed the code - put a "shutdown()" at the end of "Bootloader USB mode" code |
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| 10:02:05 | Llorean | std|denis: Well, we tend to strongly recommend against compiling your own bootloaders for the H100 and H300, which is why we provide a specific version. |
| 10:02:30 | std|denis | and after putting new bootloader into device, my iRiver shutting down at very beginning of startup |
| 10:03:05 | std|denis | it shows me "shutting down..." message, but i can't imagine where the execution going to shutdown() func.. |
| 10:03:23 | std|denis | i thought it is due to the low battery. but it doesn't |
| 10:03:58 | std|denis | but i found the way to start it :) |
| 10:05:06 | std|denis | all i have to do is press joystick button in some direction or even "stop" button simultaneously to "ON" button |
| 10:05:21 | std|denis | dunno whether it is a bug |
| 10:05:22 | Llorean | So basically you're very, very lucky that you didn't permanently brick it. |
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| 10:07:28 | std|denis | Linus said that its not so easy to get a brick :) |
| 10:07:39 | VoltageX_ | Llorean: here's something you can help with, try sending HEAD /daily/h300/rockbox-h300.zip to download.rockbox.org :D |
| 10:07:48 | Llorean | std|denis: On the H100? |
| 10:07:54 | std|denis | Llorean: how do you make a specific version? |
| 10:08:09 | std|denis | Llorean: H120 - to be correct |
| 10:08:17 | Llorean | std|denis: If you make a bootloader that can't load Rockbox or USB mode, then you have a brick, and it's final without hardware to fix it. |
| 10:09:32 | Llorean | std|denis: That's why we recommend AGAINST compiling your own bootloader for those. |
| 10:09:44 | std|denis | Llorean: yeah, i got momentary thought about a brick :) |
| 10:10:04 | Llorean | VoltageX_: Seriously, just have some patience and wait until someone who can actually fix things on the server side if something really is up can help you. |
| 10:10:13 | std|denis | but it going quite fine to USB-mode or to original firmware |
| 10:10:28 | Llorean | std|denis: The point is, you really shouldn't experiment with the bootloader. |
| 10:10:34 | VoltageX_ | ok ok. I shouldn't have had the second coffee |
| 10:10:37 | VoltageX_ | sorry |
| 10:11:49 | std|denis | Llorean: i couldn't held down my horses ;) its my fault |
| 10:12:50 | std|denis | Llorean: going back to your remark about "specific version". isn't it just a make of bootloader source code? |
| 10:14:09 | Llorean | std|denis: Yes, that is then tested by someone who can recover his device if something doesn't work properly with that version of the code. |
| 10:16:08 | std|denis | Llorean: is there a description of the recovering process for H1xx? just curious. i'm a software dev, but have a good friend, who could help me with hw |
| 10:16:24 | Llorean | You need a BDM wiggler. |
| 10:17:01 | Llorean | I'm not really sure what the process is to manually rewrite a working ROM though, or whatever exactly is necessary to get it working. |
| 10:17:19 | Llorean | I'm curious why you're so eager to write your own bootloader. |
| 10:17:43 | std|denis | in any way i got what i wanted - shutting down at USB disconnection ;) but these unexpected features making me think about the "ways to go back" :) |
| 10:18:26 | std|denis | i hate that rockbox turns on at the end of usb-mode "session" |
| 10:18:55 | std|denis | it's not my bootloader, it's just a little tweak - only one line of code |
| 10:19:20 | Llorean | Yeah, but you took a big risk that the current h100 bootloader was even functioning. |
| 10:19:52 | Llorean | There have been times where it hasn't been in a suitable condition, for one reason or another. |
| 10:20:11 | Llorean | But, it worked out. |
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| 10:22:58 | JdGordon | hey daurnimator |
| 10:23:03 | JdGordon | you round? |
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| 10:26:44 | Slasheri | yeah, some bootloader specific bugs tend to remain hidden for a long time until a new version is built. Every svn commit could affect the bootloader part too, but it's tested very rarely |
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| 10:50:38 | daurnimator | yeah |
| 10:51:28 | daurnimator | JdGordon: |
| 10:51:28 | daurnimator | The West Coast Eagles in conjunction with their major sponsor, Hungry Jacks, are proud to announce the "Ben Cousins Meal Deal". |
| 10:51:28 | daurnimator | No burgers or fries - just coke and ice. |
| 10:51:41 | JdGordon | bahahahaha |
| 10:52:03 | JdGordon | you got a space micro SD card you dont use? |
| 10:52:10 | JdGordon | and want to get rid of? |
| 10:52:55 | VoltageX_ | daurnimator: HAHAHAHA |
| 10:52:58 | daurnimator | "space micro SD"???? |
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| 10:53:14 | JdGordon | spare* |
| 10:53:21 | daurnimator | not micro |
| 10:53:22 | JdGordon | and stealing from the footy show... SHAAME!!! |
| 10:53:33 | daurnimator | and i'm using the only mini i have |
| 10:53:51 | daurnimator | stealing from teh intawebs actually |
| 10:54:15 | VoltageX_ | daurnimator: you'd have to be Australian, then |
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| 11:00:42 | fejfighter | daurnimator: for an nrl fan thats an awsome joke |
| 11:01:11 | daurnimator | VoltageX_: of course |
| 11:01:12 | JdGordon | nrl?? you mean afl... |
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| 11:01:39 | fejfighter | i am an nrl fan, not overly fussed on afl, but i think its a good joke either way |
| 11:02:22 | VoltageX_ | did TFS steal that originally from the interwebs? |
| 11:02:42 | VoltageX_ | sounds like it could be the Lindsay Lohan meal or the Britany Spears Meal |
| 11:03:05 | CpuWhiz | what (if anything) do i need to change/do to get COP when building my own rockbox or is this already enabled now? |
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| 11:03:50 | JdGordon | the COP is enabled by default now... |
| 11:03:54 | JdGordon | VoltageX_: wouldnt surpirse me... |
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| 11:08:06 | daurnimator | funny part is |
| 11:08:12 | daurnimator | HJ is the sponser of WCE |
| 11:12:45 | JdGordon | so it might be originoal! |
| 11:14:20 | VoltageX_ | JdGordon: do you have anything to do with the rockbox download server? |
| 11:15:07 | scorche | VoltageX_: we told you who to look for...now stop referencing it please.. |
| 11:15:16 | VoltageX_ | ok |
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| 11:17:22 | dmdfan | Is it normal that with the recent builds, I had to manually copy rockbox.iriver from the .rockbox folder to the root to get Rockbox working? |
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| 11:17:47 | scorche | dmdfan: what bootloader version are you running? |
| 11:17:56 | dmdfan | v5 on h120 |
| 11:18:10 | scorche | update tot eh newest, and you will be fine |
| 11:18:20 | scorche | to the |
| 11:18:29 | dmdfan | ah, ok, is it allready v7? |
| 11:20:08 | nls | no v7 isn't released yet, use v6 |
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| 11:21:16 | dmdfan | ok |
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| 12:06:11 | amiconn | JdGordon: I found a (probably) root menu related bug |
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| 12:07:26 | amiconn | If startup screen is set to the file browser, there is no (displayable) file in the root, and you then try to call the root menu, the sim crashes |
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| 12:08:23 | amiconn | ...because tree.c: get_current_file() returns nonsense when there is no file displayed |
| 12:09:21 | amiconn | May as well be dircache related, at least the function looks like this |
| 12:09:26 | amiconn | Slasheri? |
| 12:10:54 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, shouldn't have anything to do with dircache |
| 12:11:08 | amiconn | Okay, maybe this bug is even older |
| 12:11:17 | Slasheri | or if you mean tc.dircache, that's totally different thing i have no idea about |
| 12:11:52 | amiconn | struct entry* e = &dc[tc.selected_item]; |
| 12:12:09 | Slasheri | yep, that's not the "real" dircache |
| 12:12:13 | amiconn | What happens if there is no selected item, because there is no item at all? |
| 12:12:17 | Slasheri | but some other caching system inside tree.c |
| 12:12:29 | amiconn | Probably the tree context |
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| 12:13:23 | amiconn | The backtrace shows it's crashing in the snprintf() call, probably because e->name is NULL |
| 12:14:00 | amiconn | This may also hit on target now that rockbox.xyz is no longer in the root |
| 12:19:54 | * | dmdfan is happy to notice that random crashes with certain cuesheets seems to have disappeared due to recents fixes :-) |
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| 12:25:56 | CpuWhiz | how do i change the size of the rockbox logo... |
| 12:26:36 | linuxstb | It's automatic - just use a different sized bitmap. |
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| 12:27:00 | linuxstb | But it's always displayed 10 pixels from the top of the screen, so you may want to change that - in apps/misc.c |
| 12:27:42 | foolsh | Does anyone see anything funny about "Quick links: Bugs (due in 3.0) · Patches · Feature requests · Rockbox frontpage" from flyspray? or is it just me? |
| 12:29:34 | foolsh | just me ay |
| 12:29:48 | foolsh | releasing bugs in 3.0? |
| 12:30:10 | pixelma | foolsh: its | Bugs | due in 3.0 | ... if you look at the links you'll notice |
| 12:30:19 | pixelma | *it's |
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| 12:30:56 | foolsh | lol but the bullets seperate them like thier together |
| 12:31:42 | pixelma | hmm... you're right it looks weird because it is in brackets |
| 12:36:14 | foolsh | if it was like this "Quick links:(due in 3.0) · Bugs · Patches · Feature requests · Rockbox frontpage" I wouldn't be giggling in my coffee |
| 12:37:37 | pixelma | hehe... yes - but luckily the 3.0 release hasn't happened yet ;) |
| 12:40:07 | barrywardell | hmmm. rockbox.gigabeat doesn't use any sort of checksum. I guess it should? |
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| 12:40:51 | markun | dmdfan: with a up-to-date bootloader it should load rockbox.iriver from .rockbox |
| 12:41:45 | * | markun shouldn't forget to scroll down before replying to something.. |
| 12:42:04 | dmdfan | :) |
| 12:42:31 | markun | dmdfan: and I kept wondering why it was so quiet :) |
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| 12:42:48 | dmdfan | heh |
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| 12:49:44 | markun | barrywardell: yes, I think it should too, but everybody will have to update the bootloader |
| 12:49:58 | barrywardell | yeah, that's the problem |
| 12:50:14 | markun | (unless we place the checksum after the irq vector |
| 12:50:36 | barrywardell | hmmm. good point. we could do that |
| 12:50:47 | barrywardell | and if there's no checksum, just print a warning |
| 12:52:05 | barrywardell | markun: where in the binary is that? |
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| 12:53:35 | markun | barrywardell: in the crt0.S file you will see the vectors |
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| 12:54:04 | markun | firmware/target/arm/crt0.S |
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| 12:56:44 | barrywardell | ok |
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| 12:57:22 | webguest78 | hi ! anybody know if it is possible to connect two usb devices to each other if they are both usb clients ? |
| 12:57:34 | markun | barrywardell: but LinusN didn't like this plan very much |
| 12:57:48 | webguest78 | i am looking for a way to transfer pictures from my digicam to my mp3 player without a pc in between |
| 12:58:03 | markun | perhaps its better to do it soon and just have everyone update his bootloader |
| 12:58:40 | markun | webguest78: it's possible with mp3 players which support USB on-the-go |
| 12:58:56 | barrywardell | but what if someone doesn't know to update their bootloader? |
| 12:59:03 | webguest78 | i know, i dont have that though (ihp-140) |
| 12:59:33 | markun | webguest78: maybe there are some portable devices which provide this functionality.. |
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| 13:00:02 | markun | barrywardell: yes.. I don't know what should happen.. |
| 13:00:08 | barrywardell | markun: there's 0x100 space at the start of rockbox.gigabeat. can't we just put it in there? |
| 13:00:44 | markun | barrywardell: what is it used for? |
| 13:00:59 | barrywardell | it's just 0's in the file |
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| 13:04:08 | webguest78 | bugger, cant find anything for connecting two usb slave drives to each other... |
| 13:04:29 | linuxstb | Maybe we should try and introduce a better header for the rockbox firmware files - e.g. adding information about what bootloader is required to start it. |
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| 13:07:54 | barrywardell | linuxstb: sounds like it would be a good idea |
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| 13:09:52 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I'm not sure how though... Maybe renaming all the Rockbox firmware files to something else, and including a dummy firmware in the zips with the old name that just displays an "upgrade" message. |
| 13:14:47 | barrywardell | yeah, like we were planning for the mi4 change |
| 13:16:10 | linuxstb | Yep. |
| 13:17:04 | linuxstb | I can't think of a nice alternative name for rockbox.xxxx though... |
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| 13:35:05 | amiconn | Slasheri: Hmm, dircache bug: If you started your player by accident and want to shut down while dircache is still scanning in the background, it doesn't stop |
| 13:35:38 | amiconn | The shutdown latency timeout eventually cuts power, and the disk does its nasty click |
| 13:39:55 | Slasheri | ouch |
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| 13:48:32 | JdGordon | amiconn: ok, can you put it on FS? i wont be doing any coding tomrorow and ill forget by monday |
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| 13:55:40 | JdGordon | oohh... a few new student submitions for gsoc :) |
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| 13:58:30 | Soap | barrywardell: I see the battery calibration you did for sansa. What would I need to provide you (battery benches, independant readings of battery voltage from my Fluke during dischange cycle, apple pie) to get the same thing for the ipods? |
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| 14:06:04 | JdGordon | Llorean: can students see the comment that goes with the evaluation? |
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| 14:14:09 | barrywardell | Soap: I'd be glad to do the same. battery bench would be a start |
| 14:14:25 | barrywardell | if you can give me a battery voltage reading too, then that would be even better |
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| 14:14:53 | * | amiconn has a couple of mini G2 battery_bench logs |
| 14:15:15 | Soap | There's a ton of them on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime |
| 14:15:51 | Soap | The anal ones are mine, but if none of those were done in the "proper way" I can create a 5th Gen and/or Nano one today. |
| 14:15:51 | barrywardell | i didn't realise the battery readings weren't accurate on the ipods |
| 14:16:30 | Soap | I also don't like the shutoff voltage. Don't the other players gracefully shutdown when they sense a very low battery? |
| 14:16:40 | Soap | The iPods just kind of crash and burn. |
| 14:17:06 | barrywardell | Soap: really sorry, I gotta run off now. but I'll talk about it next time we're both on here. |
| 14:17:11 | Soap | can do. |
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| 14:24:27 | [RG]Reaper | hi |
| 14:24:36 | [RG]Reaper | hi |
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| 14:34:12 | markun | hi [RG]Reaper |
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| 14:36:00 | [RG]Reaper | Anyone got the problem where winamp won't send stuff to iPods after rockbox has been installed? |
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| 14:36:55 | hahaha | wht u yo |
| 14:37:28 | hahaha | any1 here? |
| 14:38:03 | [RG]Reaper | aye |
| 14:38:22 | markun | hahaha: welcome stranger |
| 14:39:01 | [RG]Reaper | heh |
| 14:39:25 | markun | [RG]Reaper: I don't have an iPod and don't use winamp, sorry.. |
| 14:39:29 | hahaha | i havent used rockbox in about a year.., can any1 tell me about the latest version.. whts new and stuff |
| 14:39:53 | markun | hahaha: one moment.. |
| 14:39:59 | hahaha | im talkin about the ipod version by the way |
| 14:40:28 | markun | hahaha: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges |
| 14:40:34 | [RG]Reaper | It's changed since I last used it. |
| 14:40:47 | hahaha | k thx |
| 14:40:49 | [RG]Reaper | Menu looks a lot different, like the database bit |
| 14:41:19 | markun | [RG]Reaper: yes, that's one of the most visible changes (quite recently) |
| 14:41:51 | [RG]Reaper | It's a welcome change, I always forgot where to go to update all the tracks on it. |
| 14:42:51 | hahaha | which file should i download... i still want to be able to view the apple os.. i already have a bootloader |
| 14:43:11 | [RG]Reaper | Urm |
| 14:43:20 | [RG]Reaper | Go to daily builds |
| 14:43:24 | markun | hahaha: rockbox.zip from the current builds page |
| 14:43:25 | hahaha | can i use the mpeg player on an ipod photo |
| 14:43:30 | markun | yes |
| 14:43:32 | [RG]Reaper | And select whatever ipod you have |
| 14:43:43 | hahaha | k.. thx |
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| 14:43:55 | markun | hahaha: but it's work in progress and you need to encode the files yourself to work properly |
| 14:43:58 | hahaha | whts the size of a 3min video |
| 14:44:10 | [RG]Reaper | Depends |
| 14:44:15 | markun | it depends on the bitrate |
| 14:44:19 | pixelma | but when your bootloader is from 1 year ago - you'd have to update it too, but the install/update procedure has become a lot easier |
| 14:44:19 | [RG]Reaper | On resolution, sound quality, bit rate |
| 14:44:32 | markun | [RG]Reaper: only on bitrate I would say :) |
| 14:44:53 | [RG]Reaper | Fair enough, Rockbox has flac support doesnt it? |
| 14:44:58 | markun | yes |
| 14:45:03 | hahaha | should i just update my ipod and start from 0 |
| 14:45:44 | markun | hahaha: I believe there is now a tool to do the bootloader upload for you |
| 14:45:58 | markun | pixelma: do you have an ipod? |
| 14:46:06 | [RG]Reaper | Hmm, this is annoying, what gig to remove on my ipod to put 1 flac album on.. |
| 14:46:15 | markun | :) |
| 14:46:32 | markun | [RG]Reaper: you can always encode the flacs to something else for listening on your ipod |
| 14:46:41 | [RG]Reaper | True, winamp shuold do it. |
| 14:46:50 | hahaha | what is it called ....the bootloader |
| 14:47:06 | [RG]Reaper | ipodpatcher.exe |
| 14:47:12 | markun | hahaha: check the wiki, there should be some intallation instructions |
| 14:47:16 | hahaha | ill google it |
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| 14:47:20 | hahaha | k |
| 14:47:47 | hahaha | whts the diffrence between ipod color boot and sim |
| 14:47:51 | [RG]Reaper | hardware equalizer :| |
| 14:48:09 | markun | hahaha: sim is a simulator, doesn't work on the ipod but on a PC |
| 14:48:41 | hahaha | k..thx whts the diffrence between ipod color and ipod color boot |
| 14:49:08 | markun | one is rockbox, 'boot' is the bootloader |
| 14:50:09 | markun | [RG]Reaper: if you are talking about the ipod video HW EQ, it only supports bass and trebble |
| 14:50:32 | [RG]Reaper | Ah.. |
| 14:50:52 | [RG]Reaper | Hmm, if I get the albumart patch.. will it pick up on album art already on my ipod? |
| 14:50:56 | pixelma | markun: no I don't |
| 14:51:05 | markun | [RG]Reaper: no |
| 14:51:34 | [RG]Reaper | no point in that then |
| 14:51:40 | markun | [RG]Reaper: it is used to display a bmp file in the directory of the files you are playing |
| 14:52:18 | [RG]Reaper | ah |
| 14:52:23 | [RG]Reaper | That could be usefull then |
| 14:52:26 | Soap | so it and Database view don't exactly go hand-in-hand if you are using the AppleDatabase file positions. |
| 14:52:47 | [RG]Reaper | When I get my pc back up and running I can clear all the music off my ipod and redo i it |
| 14:53:55 | markun | [RG]Reaper: yes, just make a nice directory structure to keep your files in, works very well. |
| 14:54:38 | [RG]Reaper | I will, means It'll be easier to use with PS3 aswell.. |
| 14:55:26 | [RG]Reaper | Whats the key presses to stop rockbox going into USB mode when your charging it |
| 14:56:18 | markun | I think you need to hold 'menu' (at least you do on other players) |
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| 14:56:33 | markun | hold it while inserting the cable that is |
| 14:57:20 | Soap | you no longer need to do that when plugging in a charging (not computer connected) cable. |
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| 15:01:49 | [RG]Reaper | Thats good |
| 15:05:33 | [RG]Reaper | At least I can push the bass up on the ipod with rockbox, without overpowering the bass. |
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| 15:11:30 | [RG]Reaper | fudge me sideways rockbox has gotten faster |
| 15:12:30 | [RG]Reaper | how does the last.fm log work? |
| 15:13:31 | Soap | well |
| 15:13:51 | Soap | turn it on, and it creates Last.FM compliant logs of what you have listened to for submission to your account. |
| 15:14:27 | [RG]Reaper | i've turned it on, just wandering how it's going to get my account info, or does it upload it to the last.fm player/ |
| 15:16:00 | hahaha | ipodlinux channel members are retarted... can i ask a question about ipodlinux here? |
| 15:19:40 | Soap | no |
| 15:19:55 | * | [RG]Reaper starts playing games, on WINDOWS |
| 15:20:21 | Soap | [RG]Reaper: There is a Rockbox wiki page on the various programs you can use to upload the Last.FM log to your account. |
| 15:20:38 | hahaha | u r craZ |
| 15:20:45 | [RG]Reaper | do you have the link Soap ? |
| 15:20:51 | Soap | I, personally, use LogScrobbler (you can find it on google. 0.14c is the most recent and stable) for Windows. |
| 15:21:09 | [RG]Reaper | okay |
| 15:25:01 | [RG]Reaper | http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/6752266/Trail/C%24cip%3D50277.Office%2C%2BPC%2Band%2Bphones%3EC%24cip%3D50298.PC%2Bperipherals%2Band%2Baccessories%3EC%24cip%3D50305.CD%2Band%2BDVD%2Brewriters%2Band%2Bhard%2Bdrives.htm |
| 15:25:05 | [RG]Reaper | Hehe, I might go out and buy that |
| 15:26:35 | [RG]Reaper | Right, I'm off to go get that, and go to work, cheers for the help. |
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| 17:19:47 | markun | robin0800: anything you want to talk about? |
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| 17:51:36 | bigred84 | hello, i have a question, i would ask on the forums or at misticriver, but it appears the server is down at the moment |
| 17:52:52 | chrisjs169 | I dunno about the entire server, but the forum is down due to problems connecting to the database |
| 17:53:19 | chrisjs169 | from what I can tell at least |
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| 17:53:41 | bigred84 | oh, well do you think you could answer my question, i am usually pretty computer savey, but this problem has me stumped |
| 17:54:02 | markun | bigred84: what's the problem? |
| 17:54:47 | chrisjs169 | yay, the forums have returned |
| 17:55:07 | bigred84 | well, i have an h10 20gb that is runnig rockbox, i connect it to many computers and it works fine, i have even connected it to this computer before, but all of a sudden now when i connect it to this computer the computer completly freezes and i have to do a hard reboot |
| 17:55:46 | markun | wow, weird |
| 17:55:47 | Arathis | bigred84: how did you connect it? |
| 17:55:56 | Soap | connected directly to the computer, or through a hub? |
| 17:55:56 | bigred84 | in ums mode |
| 17:56:02 | bigred84 | directly |
| 17:56:08 | Soap | Do you have a powered hub avaliable? |
| 17:56:14 | Arathis | you have an usm device? |
| 17:56:15 | bigred84 | i have tried both front and rear usb ports |
| 17:56:32 | bigred84 | what is a 'usm' deivice |
| 17:56:43 | Arathis | *ums |
| 17:56:53 | bigred84 | oh, yes |
| 17:57:01 | bigred84 | well, i connect it in ums mode |
| 17:57:08 | Soap | I think a good (and easy) first check is to eliminate the "power draw leads to hardware fault" possibility by connecting the device through a powered hub. |
| 17:57:22 | bigred84 | are the rear ports of a computer powered |
| 17:58:41 | Soap | depends, |
| 17:58:45 | Soap | most likely yes. |
| 17:59:01 | bigred84 | i have been able to connect to this computer before, but now the computer completely freezes, i have also notice while booting my computer asks if i want to start in safe mode |
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| 17:59:35 | Soap | on one of my desktops the front ports are connected to an internal (powered) hub, on another the front ports are connected to a internal, unpowered hub, and on yet a third they are non-hubbed independant ports. |
| 17:59:55 | Soap | The safe mode question is simply a result of an unclean shutdown. |
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| 18:00:26 | bigred84 | oh, ok yes when the computer freexes i have to do an unsafe shutdown, ok that answers that question then |
| 18:00:42 | bigred84 | *freezes |
| 18:01:09 | bigred84 | can an unpowered usb port charge my device? |
| 18:01:20 | Soap | no |
| 18:01:29 | bigred84 | ok, then the front ports must be powered |
| 18:02:29 | bigred84 | because i have charged my player from them before, although recently my brother has tried charging his psp from the front ports and he has gotten no charge |
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| 18:05:12 | bigred84 | if i temporaraly disable the computers security, could that solve the problem, at least to the point where i could trobleshoot the problem ? (not that disabling the computers security is a good idea in the first place) |
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| 18:05:42 | bigred84 | well, i could always disconnect from the internet while doing this though |
| 18:05:57 | Soap | I see no reason to suspect that as a cause of the crash at this point in time, with the facts gathered so far. |
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| 18:07:01 | bigred84 | oh, ok, i have also noticed that if i plug in my h10 to the computer without it being in usb mode, the computer also crashes |
| 18:13:58 | bigred84 | i am scannig my computer now, just eliminate the computer suspecting a security risk theroy |
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| 18:25:56 | toffe82 | bigred84: perhaps try to uninstall the usb driver and reinstall it |
| 18:26:41 | bigred84 | how can i do that? |
| 18:27:14 | Soap | this is quickly becoming better served in ##windows |
| 18:27:21 | toffe82 | you are on windows ? |
| 18:27:27 | bigred84 | yes |
| 18:27:49 | bigred84 | do you mean am i on a computer that runs windows? |
| 18:27:54 | toffe82 | yes |
| 18:28:03 | bigred84 | then yes |
| 18:28:28 | toffe82 | go to the control panel, system and in the list, look for the usb |
| 18:29:15 | bigred84 | under the hardware tab? |
| 18:29:24 | toffe82 | uninstall the usb and reboot it should find again the usb and reinstall the driver |
| 18:29:27 | toffe82 | yes |
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| 18:30:02 | bigred84 | under device manager, or drivers? |
| 18:32:42 | BigMac | is there a way to rip with vlc and have no audio? |
| 18:33:09 | toffe82 | device manager |
| 18:34:14 | bigred84 | ok now should i select storage volumes or usb contolers |
| 18:35:10 | toffe82 | what do you have in the list under universal serial bus controller ? |
| 18:35:52 | bigred84 | Sis 7001 PCI to USB Open host contoller (x3) |
| 18:36:01 | bigred84 | usb mass storage device |
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| 18:36:12 | bigred84 | usb printing support |
| 18:36:27 | bigred84 | usb root hub (x4) |
| 18:37:12 | toffe82 | uninstall usb root hub |
| 18:37:32 | bigred84 | all 4? |
| 18:37:33 | Guile | hi |
| 18:38:13 | toffe82 | yes, after a reboot it should find them again |
| 18:38:46 | bigred84 | ok im in the process of un-instaling them |
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| 18:39:07 | bigred84 | ok all 4 are uninstalled |
| 18:39:14 | bigred84 | now re-boot? |
| 18:39:29 | toffe82 | yes |
| 18:39:39 | bigred84 | ok il will be back in about 5-10 min |
| 18:39:44 | toffe82 | ok |
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| 18:45:07 | bigred84 | ok, i have rebooted my computer, and the usb drivers have reinstalled themselves, should i attempt to connct my mp3 player? |
| 18:45:59 | toffe82 | yes |
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| 18:48:42 | toffe82 | bigred84: so ? |
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| 18:50:58 | Soap | I think he crashed. |
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| 18:51:36 | bigred84 | same problem occured, computer crahsed and required a hard reboot |
| 18:52:52 | Soap | ##windows is the channel you need to go to, this is not a rockbox issue. |
| 18:53:11 | Soap | which means you need to use a real IRC client rather than the web-client. |
| 18:53:16 | bigred84 | ok, how would i get ther, i am not firmilar with irc |
| 18:53:20 | bigred84 | oh |
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| 18:55:12 | toffe82 | did you try connect something else like a usb mouse ? |
| 18:55:17 | toffe82 | too late |
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| 19:24:58 | djray | hello! i posted this on the forums and didn't get a reply... where does SPC fit in the file codec sequence in the WPS? |
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| 19:39:25 | CpuWhiz | does anyone know which patch is causing this compile error? (album, resize, scrolling margins, or ipod brightness) |
| 19:39:26 | CpuWhiz | recorder/icons.h:30:25: error: rockboxlogo.h: No such file or directory |
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| 19:42:58 | Llorean | djray: Try playing an SPC file and find out. :) |
| 19:43:10 | Llorean | Or look at one of the official included WPSes. |
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| 19:46:36 | djray | i made one of the original WPS'!!! i want to update iAmp for the new file codecs |
| 19:46:40 | djray | :) |
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| 19:49:52 | Llorean | djray: I'm pretty sure some of the included WPSes already work with SPC. |
| 19:50:11 | Llorean | But you should also be able to tell by playing an SPC file, and seeing what icon it shows instead of SPC |
| 19:50:23 | djray | oh i forgot to say i'm working on the iRiver iHP-100... none of those have been updated for SPC |
| 19:51:08 | djray | the wiki: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS −− hasn't updated the %fc portion for SPC yet |
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| 19:53:55 | Llorean | You still have the solution of "just try an SPC file", though, right? |
| 19:56:18 | djray | i guess so... but that's time-consuming! hehe... do you know of any WPSes that currently display SPC? that would save me some time. |
| 19:56:55 | Llorean | I really don't. |
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| 20:01:07 | djray | ok thanks, llorean. |
| 20:02:59 | BHSPitMonkey | mayyybe hcs knows. |
| 20:03:06 | BHSPitMonkey | though maybe not. |
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| 20:21:50 | CpuWhiz | will someone explain why i am getting this error... |
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| 20:27:05 | CpuWhiz | recorder/icons.h:30:25: error: rockboxlogo.h: No such file or directory <−− it was not that far up the screen |
| 20:27:26 | midgey | fair enough, i didnt actually check :) |
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| 20:29:43 | hahaha | wht up yo |
| 20:30:53 | hahaha | any1 knows wht is the best broadbaned provider in the usa ... and wht is the fastest CONECCTION SPEED |
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| 20:32:41 | BHSPitMonkey | uhh |
| 20:32:51 | BHSPitMonkey | that guy sure was something |
| 20:34:33 | midgey | CpuWhiz: make sure you have rockboxlogo*.bmp in apps/bitmaps/native |
| 20:34:52 | midgey | and make sure you have the correct sources file |
| 20:34:59 | CpuWhiz | i do |
| 20:35:02 | CpuWhiz | ... |
| 20:35:19 | midgey | and a make clean leads to the same error? |
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| 20:36:36 | perldiver | oh well |
| 20:36:37 | perldiver | http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=080004 |
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| 20:38:18 | BigMac | perldiver: http://slashspeck.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1174503096&archive=&start_from=&ucat=5& |
| 20:38:50 | perldiver | BigMac probably none of those ever gonna happen |
| 20:39:11 | CpuWhiz | the sources file and the bitmaps in that dir are at the latest svn, i am trying to apply a patch, last time i tried it compiled from a clean svn (i am going to try again), but which file would cause that if it changed... |
| 20:39:15 | BigMac | well that is the only way the zune will ever become a decent dap |
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| 20:45:49 | CpuWhiz | a clean build doesn't cause this problem, so which file if it changed would cause this error |
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| 20:46:45 | midgey | which patches are you applying? (flyspray numbers) |
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| 20:49:05 | * | mattzz wonders if anybody has seen the screen going white on his player recently while playing music? |
| 20:50:41 | std|denis | Llorean: where can i find the guys who can say something about current situation with bootloader, especially about iHP-1xx's one? |
| 20:50:51 | CpuWhiz | trying to fix this one: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5594 - u want a list of which files are changed? |
| 20:57:00 | CpuWhiz | ok, i just noticed svn diff doesn't include new files unless u run svn add :( going to try this now |
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| 21:07:22 | CpuWhiz | bingo, it silently died when it couldn't find a file in apps/SOURCES and as a result only compiled/ran the stuff before that file |
| 21:07:29 | CpuWhiz | or something like that |
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| 21:09:10 | std|denis | does anybody is playing a xonix on rockbox? |
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| 21:14:36 | midgey | err, how do you remove the svn:executable flag? |
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| 21:27:01 | First_timer_8923 | Hi everybody, I am a first timer in this awesome irc channel |
| 21:27:55 | First_timer_8923 | so... well, I was kinda interested in finding out about the google summer of code, and how I could possibly help rockbox |
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| 21:29:15 | midgey | First_timer_8923: have you read the SummerOfCode wiki page? |
| 21:29:27 | First_timer_8923 | yes I have indeed |
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| 21:29:47 | First_timer_8923 | I have been lurking around the google soc discussion web-pages |
| 21:30:11 | midgey | well if you are interested as a student, you can apply with google (assuming the deadline hasnt passed) |
| 21:30:23 | First_timer_8923 | the deadline got extended, so i guess i can submit it in time its monday |
| 21:30:25 | First_timer_8923 | yeah |
| 21:31:31 | First_timer_8923 | now, I dont seem to be able to find a project list for rockbox |
| 21:32:02 | paerez | First_timer_8923: http://code.google.com/soc/rockbox/about.html |
| 21:32:16 | midgey | on the wiki page we have a list of ideas. none of them are concrete though |
| 21:32:33 | midgey | we probably be open to anything if it sounds like a nice addition |
| 21:33:37 | First_timer_8923 | ah! thanks! completely missed my eyes |
| 21:34:08 | paerez | no prob. I am actually doing the same right now |
| 21:36:06 | paerez | I was hoping to speak with amiconn regarding the proposed Viewports project. Is he the correct person to talk to? |
| 21:36:25 | midgey | paerez: he is indeed |
| 21:36:52 | midgey | he seems to have a clear view of how they should be implemented, he just has other priorities at the moment |
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| 21:38:18 | Bagder | nother e200tool update |
| 21:41:29 | First_timer_8923 | I am interested in code maintenance work under development, is that project big enough to be a sufficient fit for GSoC? |
| 21:42:14 | First_timer_8923 | ....and who is the best person to talk to about it ? |
| 21:42:22 | Bagder | I don't understand the project ;-) |
| 21:43:20 | Bagder | and talking about it here, or on the dev list seems the best places |
| 21:43:51 | First_timer_8923 | I see... fair enough! |
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| 21:49:31 | Llorean | Bagder: What does the new version gain? |
| 21:49:52 | Bagder | a new i2c program approach, possibly safer |
| 21:50:39 | mattzz | Bagder: is anybody actually reading twiki(at)haxx.se? |
| 21:50:45 | Llorean | Does that mean "also possibly less safe" or is it at a minimum equally safe? |
| 21:50:50 | Bagder | mattzz: yes |
| 21:51:01 | mattzz | okidoki |
| 21:51:22 | Bagder | Llorean: ehm, I think it is about as unsafe as before in general, but the actual i2c rom write procedure should be a little safer |
| 21:51:41 | Llorean | Ah, I just found your post about it. |
| 21:51:45 | Bagder | as it now sends over the whole chunk once and do one write |
| 21:51:53 | perldiver | i wonder why the flyspray page is being blocked by my browser filter |
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| 22:15:15 | nadd | hi |
| 22:15:37 | nadd | im looking for the cheapest possible hardware to put rockbox on |
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| 22:15:58 | nadd | im building something to replace a car radio |
| 22:16:02 | Bagder | nadd: try ebay |
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| 22:16:24 | nadd | what sort of board should i look for ? |
| 22:16:42 | linuxstb | The Gigabeat F is generally quite cheap - less than $100 USD - and Rockbox works well on it. |
| 22:16:42 | Bagder | one of the models Rockbox runs on perhaps? |
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| 22:17:37 | valiant3400 | hi everybody |
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| 22:18:00 | JavaMan22 | hi |
| 22:18:03 | valiant3400 | I am planning on taking rocvkbox off my sansa e250 and returning it within the 30 day return period |
| 22:18:29 | valiant3400 | only problem is what when I delete rockbox.e200, it says databass error |
| 22:19:21 | valiant3400 | does anybody know what's going on? |
| 22:19:37 | nadd | Bagder, linuxstb im not looking for something to put in my pocket, a barebones board would do, i would just put it in some case and install it in the car |
| 22:20:04 | nadd | thats why i said cheap .. think of and mp3 player without an interface |
| 22:20:12 | Bagder | nadd: rockbox runs on players that are more than boards, but sure you can buy a broken one or similar |
| 22:21:03 | nadd | im thinking minimalistic .. |
| 22:21:05 | linuxstb | nadd: How do you plan on controlling it if there is no interface? |
| 22:21:37 | linuxstb | And do you just want MP3 playback, or other audio formats? |
| 22:21:56 | nadd | just mp3 .. |
| 22:22:16 | nadd | there must be some generic board, with no casing .. |
| 22:22:41 | Bagder | we've never ported rockbox to any "generic board" |
| 22:23:00 | JavaMan22 | does anyone know Dave Chapman personally? |
| 22:23:01 | Bagder | so you'd have to use a stripped regular player |
| 22:23:05 | JavaMan22 | as in where he lives |
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| 22:23:14 | * | linuxstb knows him quite well |
| 22:23:16 | barrywardell_ | I think linuxstb might :P |
| 22:23:17 | Bagder | JavaMan22: I bet linuxstb does! |
| 22:23:19 | JavaMan22 | really? |
| 22:23:20 | JavaMan22 | ??? |
| 22:23:22 | JavaMan22 | WHERE |
| 22:23:25 | nadd | so i would add the buttons and stuff, cuz think about it, if you are not making a compact box, its alot cheaper, an mp3 player is alot smaller than a car radio |
| 22:23:26 | JavaMan22 | DOES HE LIVE |
| 22:23:31 | linuxstb | Here. |
| 22:23:32 | valiant3400 | What is the sansapatcher, and where may I find this? |
| 22:23:34 | Soap | if you are willing to invest the time, you can buy a iPod mini, take the main board, and resell the screen, HD, battery, case, and touchpad on ebay for twice what you paid. |
| 22:23:38 | JavaMan22 | ok |
| 22:23:41 | JavaMan22 | im going to name a cirt |
| 22:23:42 | JavaMan22 | city |
| 22:23:49 | JavaMan22 | and you must tell me if im right or wrong |
| 22:23:51 | nadd | Soap, hmm .. |
| 22:23:53 | BenKolodny | how do i get permission to write |
| 22:23:55 | JavaMan22 | ok? |
| 22:23:57 | linuxstb | JavaMan22: I live in London. |
| 22:24:00 | JavaMan22 | ooo |
| 22:24:06 | JavaMan22 | wrong person then |
| 22:24:21 | JavaMan22 | my high school guidance courselor is David Chapman |
| 22:24:33 | JavaMan22 | i was wondering if they were same person haah |
| 22:24:34 | linuxstb | valiant3400: Follow the install instructions in the manual, and that links to the sansapatcher downloads for various platforms. |
| 22:24:45 | hardeep | ick, nested functions |
| 22:24:52 | nadd | ok people, thnx for the great work on rockbox .. |
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| 22:25:06 | Bagder | hardeep: I agree on the ick |
| 22:25:52 | valiant3400 | I wish to uninstall, I should still find it in install instructions |
| 22:26:02 | linuxstb | valiant3400: Yes. |
| 22:26:09 | hardeep | it's breaking the mac simulator... better to fix on mac side or remove nested function? |
| 22:26:29 | BenKolodny | sorry to ask again but how in the world do i get persmission to write so i could attach something in the rockbox twiki |
| 22:26:32 | linuxstb | valiant3400: But the Sansa uninstall instructions only work if you installed Rockbox with sansapatcher originally. |
| 22:27:30 | linuxstb | BenKolodny: Done. |
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| 22:30:22 | valiant3400 | I found sansapatcher. thanks |
| 22:32:34 | BenKolodny | thanx man (linuxstb) |
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| 22:33:53 | woodensoul | hey you blokes, can someone point me to instructions on how to convert videos for playback in rockbox? |
| 22:34:46 | valiant3400 | hmm the store I'm going to after bit doesn't sell IAudio or IRiver players, just IPods and a few sansas. does rockbox speech and access to recording and things work ok that anybody knows? I couldn't get my player's voice to be loud enough for me to hear it easily and it wouldn't get loud enough for me to understand the music I was listening to |
| 22:35:12 | valiant3400 | ok with IPods I mean |
| 22:35:13 | valiant3400 | lol |
| 22:35:20 | linuxstb | woodensoul: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
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| 23:02:38 | linuxstb | Llorean: You just beat me to that last forum reply about files shared in IRC... |
| 23:03:08 | linuxstb | (I had drafted an almost identical reply) |
| 23:03:50 | webguest00 | I don't own any of the archos targets but when I compile them they ask for the memory size, Says 2mb is defult, But it then goes on to make a compressed "image" or whatever it is, IS this normal? or should I select a larger memory size? |
| 23:04:01 | Bagder | its normal |
| 23:04:13 | webguest00 | wow you read that fast |
| 23:04:16 | Bagder | they have a rather narrow maximum limit of the binary size |
| 23:04:23 | webguest00 | ok |
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| 23:04:30 | Llorean | linuxstb: I mean it's just a case of Sansa users being very, very, very eager (hence the number of "bricks" earlier on) but it bore saying for sure. |
| 23:05:23 | linuxstb | Llorean: The anythingbutipod forums seem full of tutorials and unofficial installers as well, but I see both you and Bagder are posting there. |
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| 23:05:44 | Bagder | yeah, when I feel bored enough |
| 23:06:20 | Bagder | most of what they ask there is already answered on the site or in our forums |
| 23:06:49 | Llorean | linuxstb: I have a bookmarks folder called "places to watch out for" that opens tabs in several forums just so I can try to keep things from getting too bad in the areas outside my control. :) |
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| 23:06:51 | linuxstb | I was wondering why our own Sansa forum was so quiet - it seems abi is the place to be for Sansa users... |
| 23:07:09 | Bagder | its like the MR for sansas |
| 23:07:14 | Llorean | Mostly just to try to keep tabs on wildly improbably descriptions of how things work, etc. |
| 23:07:20 | Llorean | improbable. |
| 23:07:52 | Llorean | For example I heard Rockbox's iPod battery life was worse because unlike the original firmware, we load files instead of using a database, so we have to seek the file out every time. :) |
| 23:08:07 | Bagder | hahaha |
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| 23:08:11 | webguest00 | When I try to build more than one target at a time that use the sh-arm compilers I get errors after it finishes the build. Reads some thing about the flash being full |
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| 23:08:18 | webguest00 | what am I doing wrong? |
| 23:08:26 | Bagder | that too is common |
| 23:08:31 | Bagder | check the build.rockbox.org table |
| 23:08:45 | webguest00 | ok |
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| 23:09:08 | linuxstb | webguest00: Rockbox is currently too big to fit in the available flash on some targets. |
| 23:09:28 | Llorean | Fortunately, those targets don't require flashing, it's just an added bonus. |
| 23:10:11 | linuxstb | Llorean: What's in your list of places to check? I'm guessing misticriver.net, anythingbutipod, mygigabeat, ilounge? |
| 23:10:36 | Llorean | linuxstb: Actually, mygigabeat wasn't in it, just because I haven't noticed too much gigabeat related noise in our forums yet |
| 23:10:42 | JavaMan22 | what the |
| 23:10:49 | Llorean | I've got ilounge, anythingbutipod, misticriver, and iaudiophile. |
| 23:10:52 | JavaMan22 | the elephant dream i downloaded is only 11 minutes??! |
| 23:11:06 | Llorean | JavaMan22: "Short Films" aren't often that long. |
| 23:11:23 | JavaMan22 | i thought i was getting full version? |
| 23:11:34 | JavaMan22 | >:o |
| 23:11:35 | Llorean | That is the full version. |
| 23:11:38 | Soap | that is a full length version of a "short film" |
| 23:11:40 | Llorean | Elephant's Dream is a short film. |
| 23:11:41 | midgey | JavaMan22: rebuffing isn't implemented |
| 23:11:48 | Llorean | midgey: Elephant's Dream IS 11 minutes. |
| 23:11:55 | midgey | but yes, elephants dream is short |
| 23:11:59 | midgey | llorean :) |
| 23:12:12 | JavaMan22 | ... |
| 23:12:15 | midgey | i was thinking it was around 15 minutes |
| 23:13:02 | Soap | 10:53 |
| 23:13:05 | linuxstb | It's 653.8 seconds - so just under 11 minutes... |
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| 23:13:19 | JavaMan22 | >:o |
| 23:13:27 | midgey | i guess thats what i get for not checking ;) |
| 23:13:44 | * | linuxstb has started work on rebuffering |
| 23:13:49 | * | Llorean cheers |
| 23:13:51 | midgey | \o/ |
| 23:13:52 | JavaMan22 | what is rebuffering? |
| 23:14:04 | linuxstb | Mainly just to stop people asking about it... |
| 23:14:08 | Llorean | I figured. |
| 23:14:13 | webguest00 | I need some testing done on a shell script that I made |
| 23:14:21 | Llorean | You do realize as soon as you've got rebuffering it'll be seeking, and then playlisting... |
| 23:14:24 | Soap | both the 128 pixel wide versions and the 160x96 version have a chance of fitting w/o rebuffering on 32MB targets. |
| 23:14:29 | linuxstb | Llorean: Exactly... |
| 23:14:40 | midgey | then speed on coldfire... |
| 23:14:46 | linuxstb | And people will always be asking for MPEG-4/xvid/divx/whatever support... |
| 23:14:48 | Llorean | Yep |
| 23:14:49 | webguest00 | allows a person to choose up to 9 builds to make |
| 23:15:09 | Llorean | We've got a Summer of Code applicant who's expressed interest in WMA, by the way. |
| 23:15:40 | linuxstb | Good. I don't think it will be that hard - but it's time-consuming and requires someone with motivation. |
| 23:15:42 | midgey | and he's got the know-how and experience? |
| 23:16:00 | webguest00 | at the top of my website http://007quick.googlepages.com/home |
| 23:16:06 | JavaMan22 | how about speeding up rockbooy :) |
| 23:16:17 | Llorean | midgey: A lot of it falls more in the "determination" category than anything else, I believe. |
| 23:16:19 | webguest00 | please try it out! |
| 23:16:29 | webguest00 | I need comments on how to make it better |
| 23:16:39 | Llorean | JavaMan22: Speeding up Rockboy is a rather low, low priority in my opinion, it's hardly in line with the core focus. |
| 23:16:47 | * | midgey wonders if he should apply to SoC |
| 23:16:54 | Llorean | Though there is an applicant who's expressed interest in Rockboy work |
| 23:17:13 | Llorean | midgey: It looks likely that four applicants will get through on our project |
| 23:17:26 | Llorean | Google's supposed to be accepting 800 students divided among 132 projects, with varying numbers to each. |
| 23:17:45 | Bagder | the 4 is just want I have asked for |
| 23:17:45 | midgey | Llorean: whats the chance that applicant is interested in finishing up dynarec? |
| 23:17:50 | Bagder | what I |
| 23:18:04 | linuxstb | And the students get about $5000 each? |
| 23:18:05 | Llorean | Bagder: With 800/132, 4 seems likely. |
| 23:18:08 | Llorean | linuxstb: 4500 |
| 23:18:11 | Bagder | ah true |
| 23:18:11 | Llorean | Minus taxes. |
| 23:18:33 | midgey | there was a user who was looking for amiconn. he seemed interested in Viewpoints. Idk if he was planning on applying |
| 23:18:36 | Bagder | Llorean: but otoh, I doubt all the applications are equally good spread over all projects |
| 23:18:42 | JavaMan22 | Llorean what is the core focus |
| 23:18:48 | linuxstb | That's a fair amount of money from google - $3.6m |
| 23:18:52 | midgey | music :) |
| 23:18:58 | Llorean | midgey: He's more interest in a few more screen scaling modes (the ability to have the image fullscreen, and slide the viewport on smaller screened targets) and I think volume control in-plugin. |
| 23:19:10 | Llorean | JavaMan22: Audio functionality. Rockbox is a music player.. |
| 23:19:16 | JavaMan22 | oo |
| 23:19:38 | JavaMan22 | well i downloaded rockbox to have cool things |
| 23:19:40 | Llorean | Bagder: Yeah, well I imagine larger / better known projects like OpenOffice or Firefox will get more assigned students. |
| 23:19:46 | JavaMan22 | if i wanted to listen to music i can do that already! |
| 23:19:48 | Soap | isn't WMA an exception? Shouldn't even (*shudder*) Doom come before WMA? ;) |
| 23:19:57 | Bagder | Llorean: I think so too |
| 23:20:06 | midgey | Llorean: hmm, that probably wouldnt be a ton of work actually |
| 23:20:10 | Llorean | JavaMan22: Well, that's your choice. But that's not what the project's about. Rockbox can play music better than almost any MP3 firmware out there. |
| 23:20:26 | Llorean | midgey: After he's done that, he wants to port Scorched Earth. His application is more of a general "game improvement" kinda thing. |
| 23:20:34 | Llorean | Or rather a scorched earth clone. |
| 23:20:47 | midgey | i see |
| 23:20:51 | Llorean | Bagder: I think though, that getting four isn't all too unlikely, though I guess we'll known after the 26th. |
| 23:21:18 | mattzz | Hm, is there a special point when battery_bench writes to the battery_bench.txt file? |
| 23:21:21 | JavaMan22 | ooo |
| 23:21:36 | Llorean | mattzz: At any disk spinup, I believe. |
| 23:21:47 | Llorean | Or at any disk spinup after 30 minutes has passed? |
| 23:22:14 | mattzz | Hm, at power down after a long time, there are no further entries. |
| 23:23:03 | midgey | just curious, but why is album art a SoC project? hasn't Nico_P done a lot of work on that already? |
| 23:23:23 | midgey | once Metadata on buffer is done, it will probably require a rework anywya |
| 23:23:27 | midgey | *anyway |
| 23:23:38 | linuxstb | midgey: I would agree, AA isn't a SoC project by itself. |
| 23:23:53 | Bagder | midgey: people apply for what they want |
| 23:24:02 | Bagder | we can't stop them to do it for aa |
| 23:24:39 | Llorean | We need more people to click the "I'm willing to Mentor" button on projects, very very soon |
| 23:24:53 | mattzz | Llorean: http://pastebin.ca/408545 |
| 23:24:58 | Llorean | The reason "Album Art" is above the line despite its overall evaluation is because at least someone has agreed to mentor it. |
| 23:25:24 | Llorean | mattzz: You interrupted the benchmark several times? |
| 23:25:42 | mattzz | Llorean: it was running the whole day, inbetween is stopped the pluging, did a shutdown. Resumed, started plugin, 2h running, powerdown (without stopping the plugin first) |
| 23:25:54 | mattzz | s/is/I/ |
| 23:26:07 | Bagder | "I haven't even tried this myself (maybe Dan will, he seems to be the first to try any crazy idea someone comes up with," / MrH (speaking of some fun i2c hacking and hw mod on the sansa) |
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| 23:26:41 | Llorean | Bagder: What kind of HW mod? |
| 23:26:56 | Bagder | pulling the data line on the i2c bus to the ground |
| 23:27:00 | Llorean | mattzz: I dunno. It may have something to do with how the Sansa decides to write it, since there's no disk to actually spin up. |
| 23:27:11 | webguest00 | Will anyone test my script? |
| 23:27:25 | Soap | webguest00: I will later tonight, |
| 23:27:35 | webguest00 | ok |
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| 23:27:44 | Bagder | Llorean: he's working to find means to save the last percentage of the "bricked" sansas |
| 23:28:02 | mattzz | Llorean: OK, I will have a look at it |
| 23:28:03 | webguest00 | I will make a forum in the getting started and compiling section! |
| 23:28:04 | Soap | well, actually I'll look at it - I already have a hard-coded one, a flexible one would be interesting to look at, and possibly use. |
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| 23:28:23 | webguest00 | and will put a link there from my website so you can make comments |
| 23:28:36 | | Quit freqmod (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 23:28:47 | ment | btw have you ever thought of turning DAC into synth? |
| 23:28:51 | Llorean | Bagder: I have to wonder, how many of those will be able to do what's necessary? |
| 23:29:40 | Bagder | not many, but this is still only research |
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| 23:30:02 | Llorean | Yeah, it'll be interesting to hear what comes of it, certainly. |
| 23:30:04 | Bagder | an attempt to force the sansa to boot from the usb |
| 23:30:19 | Bagder | or similar |
| 23:32:11 | Llorean | webguest00: Please, use real words in our forums, not things like "ppl" |
| 23:32:16 | Bagder | grrr, the gsoc server is silly |
| 23:32:36 | JavaMan22 | im going to release a new version of my game tonight will anyone want to play? |
| 23:32:38 | Llorean | Bagder: It was slow to me. I'd be curious how much traffic they're getting as the deadline aproaches. |
| 23:32:50 | webguest00 | sorry |
| 23:33:01 | linuxstb | Is there a SoC page describing how mentors should evaluate applications (i.e. how to score etc) ? |
| 23:33:30 | webguest00 | fixed |
| 23:34:08 | * | linuxstb has found it |
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| 23:35:12 | Llorean | linuxstb: What page did you find? |
| 23:35:24 | linuxstb | http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/guide-to-the-gsoc-web-app-for-mentors-and-organization-administrators |
| 23:37:14 | Llorean | Ah, okay, I was thinking you'd maybe found something that discussed evaluation a bit more. |
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| 23:39:03 | webguest00 | another question: Is it possible to make a shell script executable by default? Like when people download a script from my website it is not executable by defualt, Can I change this? |
| 23:39:11 | Bagder | no |
| 23:39:19 | webguest00 | too bad |
| 23:39:23 | Llorean | webguest00: Part of the whole security concept of linux lies within that limitation. |
| 23:39:31 | webguest00 | ya i know |
| 23:40:16 | Llorean | If the people providing the files could override it, it'd negate even having that there. |
| 23:40:54 | Bagder | webguest00: this may sound a bit harsh, but your build script is waaaaay more complicated than it would need to be |
| 23:41:43 | linuxstb | webguest00: You could put your script inside a .tar file |
| 23:43:13 | linuxstb | Who actually decides on the successful students? Us or google? |
| 23:43:41 | Bagder | google I believe |
| 23:44:00 | | Part decayedcell_ |
| 23:44:05 | linuxstb | So we could end up with projects/students we don't really want? |
| 23:44:13 | | Part JavaMan22 |
| 23:44:38 | Bagder | hm, not if they don't have a mentor I guess |
| 23:44:40 | linuxstb | But I guess that if no mentors step forward for a project, then that student can't be accepted. |
| 23:44:52 | Bagder | and possibly they would need a certain score or something, at least not negative |
| 23:45:25 | webguest00 | Bagder: How is it way more complicated? |
| 23:45:35 | Llorean | It says that : 6. Google allocates a particular number of student slots to each organization 7. Students are notified of acceptance |
| 23:45:39 | Llorean | It doesn't say who notifies them. |
| 23:45:55 | webguest00 | linuxstb: or a zip file? for the non linux users? |
| 23:45:56 | Bagder | webguest00: my script that builds all daily builds is less than 200 lines (perl, but still) |
| 23:46:00 | Llorean | It may just be that google allocates a set number of students and the project administrators get final acceptance. |
| 23:46:12 | linuxstb | webguest00: No, zip files don't store file permissions (afaik). |
| 23:46:24 | webguest00 | linuxstb: stupid |
| 23:46:39 | Llorean | But I imagine we want to have the 4 student we want most with the highest 4 scores, with mentors assigned, by the 26th |
| 23:46:59 | linuxstb | webguest00: But windows users don't need an execute bit set... |
| 23:46:59 | Bagder | Llorean: I believe we can add mentors and score them etc even after the 26th |
| 23:47:23 | webguest00 | Bagder: It wouldn't be hard to make it do all "my" builds but my script will do any build |
| 23:47:27 | scorche | i was reading, and it appears that google chooses who gets accepted from a ranked list that we send them |
| 23:47:54 | Bagder | webguest00: well, my script obviously does that too |
| 23:48:23 | webguest00 | linuxstb: for those who use cygwin they would not have a .tar extractor, or would they? |
| 23:48:24 | Llorean | scorche: A ranked list, but not the same as the evaluation list. It says clearly google doesn't take into account the "scores", though perhaps it does take into account their position in the list. |
| 23:48:29 | Bagder | webguest00: its just that you use a lot of repeated calls and specific words all over instead of more functions and variables |
| 23:48:56 | scorche | Llorean: it was something about how much we value those projects that the students put forth and rank them on that value |
| 23:48:56 | Bagder | but hey, as long as it works and fulfills a purpose |
| 23:48:57 | Llorean | webguest00: I can extract tars on windows no problem. I have about four utilities, two of which are very, very common, that can do it. |
| 23:49:19 | Llorean | scorche: I think the order they appear on the evaluation page is what will be considered "rank" but I'm not sure. |
| 23:49:25 | webguest00 | Badger: Did you actualy try the script? |
| 23:49:30 | Bagder | no |
| 23:49:36 | webguest00 | Llorean: good to know |
| 23:49:47 | Bagder | I have dozens of these scripts already, I don't need any new one ;-) |
| 23:50:53 | webguest00 | Bagder: it gives a text menu and you can select up to 9 builds then it executes them I set up all the directories to reduce the build time in the future and so that other people could use it easier |
| 23:51:11 | Bagder | I know, I read it |
| 23:51:24 | Llorean | Bagder: It says applications without a mentor assigned "cannot proceed in the program", so I think we may want to assign some by the 26th, even if we have to swap them out later. |
| 23:51:52 | Bagder | assigned by the 26th? |
| 23:52:03 | Llorean | Bagder: I'm not sure, it doesn't say a date there. |
| 23:52:06 | Bagder | it seems a little odd if the last application appears on that date |
| 23:52:22 | Llorean | Bagder: I assume there's a separate deadline for mentor assignment. |
| 23:52:29 | * | Llorean goes to find that timeline again |
| 23:52:31 | | Nick Everybody|away is now known as Everybody (n=everybod@harpo.demon.co.uk) |
| 23:52:46 | scorche | Everybody: stop chanign your name to |away |
| 23:52:49 | scorche | changing |
| 23:52:52 | Llorean | Ah, we have until April 11th |
| 23:52:56 | Llorean | So another two weeks |
| 23:53:03 | Llorean | We get plenty of time to discuss. |
| 23:53:16 | scorche | Bagder: well, i was planning on submitting my app on the 26th (there are a few things i need to figure out first) |
| 23:53:22 | Bagder | well, at april 11 the list accepted students is published |
| 23:54:20 | scorche | perhaps, we should be asking these questions on #summer-discuss on SlashNet |
| 23:55:18 | Llorean | I think asking "What steps should we as a project make to be sure the applications we're most interested in get accepted, as the 'ranking' process is slightly unclear. Is it just the top X in the evaluation/applications list page?" is a good idea. |
| 23:56:18 | Bagder | http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss could be a good place as well |
| 23:56:41 | scorche | well, i am in the channel now |
| 23:57:01 | * | scorche goes about asking Llorean's question |
| 23:57:11 | scorche | unless, you wanted to yourself |
| 23:58:00 | Bagder | Llorean: btw, the deadline _was_ extended from the 24th so it wasn't just my drugs ;-) |
| 23:58:21 | Llorean | Bagder: "We simply tell the orgs how many they get" apparently |
| 23:58:27 | Llorean | http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/cf46c13c49bbbd33/b814f8eafd3881d1?lnk=gst&q=rank&rnum=3#b814f8eafd3881d1 |
| 23:58:42 | Llorean | All proposal review and ranking is done by the organizations themselves. |
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