| 00:00:57 | Llorean | I've been using Media Player Classic, which isn't really Windows Media Player. But yeah, it's an old TV show, so the dubbing wasn't perfect, but that's actually just how it is on the TV show in a lot of cases, I don't think it was really "out of sync" so much as just poorly created originally |
| 00:01:36 | Soul-Slayer | barrywardell: Do you have any idea what could be causing the problem? |
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| 00:02:01 | linuxstb | Llorean: OK, that's good then. I think you'll find the latest version an improvement then. |
| 00:02:11 | Llorean | linuxstb: I'll let you know in about 20 minutes. :) |
| 00:02:39 | barrywardell | Soul-Slayer: I'm trying to figure it out at the moment |
| 00:02:59 | Soul-Slayer | Okay. |
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| 00:05:55 | barrywardell | Soul-Slayer: still problems with 12915. are you sure that works for you? |
| 00:06:25 | H10_007quick | I'm compiling that right now by the way |
| 00:06:34 | Soul-Slayer | I'll try it again, but I'm positive it was working fine when I did it, even managed to playback a few songs. |
| 00:06:37 | H10_007quick | almost done |
| 00:06:43 | Soul-Slayer | Ah okay |
| 00:06:55 | Soul-Slayer | See how it works for you 007 |
| 00:07:02 | H10_007quick | yup |
| 00:07:51 | barrywardell | actually, 12915 works for me. dunno why it didn't work last time |
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| 00:08:43 | Soul-Slayer | Certain 12916 doesn't? I'm compiling it at the moment |
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| 00:10:24 | Soul-Slayer | 12916 is working for me |
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| 00:11:42 | H10_007quick | 12915 works fine |
| 00:12:58 | Soul-Slayer | barrywardell: You said that 12921 failed? |
| 00:13:00 | barrywardell | as does 12921 |
| 00:13:03 | barrywardell | it works now |
| 00:13:09 | Soul-Slayer | How odd. |
| 00:13:37 | Soul-Slayer | In that case |
| 00:13:41 | barrywardell | i re-ran configure and deleted my .rockbox before unzipping |
| 00:13:58 | Soul-Slayer | I'll go back to my old hunch of thinking it was 12926-12928 |
| 00:14:04 | Soul-Slayer | And try 12925 |
| 00:14:09 | Soul-Slayer | Compiling at the moment |
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| 00:15:42 | Soul-Slayer | 12926 and 12927 wouldn't even compile, and 12928 failed, so if 12925 works then it has to be the commits around there. |
| 00:16:10 | * | amiconn will probably be able to close a really ooold feature request this week :) |
| 00:16:19 | Llorean | amiconn: Which one? |
| 00:16:20 | amiconn | #2424 |
| 00:16:39 | Llorean | Ah, excellent |
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| 00:17:12 | Soul-Slayer | Youch, that IS old :p |
| 00:17:51 | Soul-Slayer | Okay, compiled, extracting now |
| 00:18:43 | amiconn | Soul-Slayer: Didn't I use enough 'o's? ;) |
| 00:18:51 | Soul-Slayer | Lol :p |
| 00:19:11 | Soul-Slayer | barrywardell: I was correct. 12925 works, therefore the problem lies with 12926-12928 |
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| 00:19:44 | barrywardell | Soul-Slayer: current SVN works for me now??? |
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| 00:20:00 | Soul-Slayer | I'll try |
| 00:20:10 | Soul-Slayer | Are you sure it IS the current SVN you are using though? |
| 00:20:40 | H10_007quick | Man the site is downloading really slow right now |
| 00:20:57 | Soul-Slayer | ~32kBps for me ^^ |
| 00:21:04 | H10_007quick | 9 |
| 00:21:05 | Soul-Slayer | Shot up to 50 as I said that, lol |
| 00:21:12 | Soul-Slayer | Back to 30 o.0 |
| 00:21:48 | barrywardell | actually, I just got a freeze now |
| 00:21:56 | Soul-Slayer | Ah |
| 00:22:15 | Soul-Slayer | Well the problem is within 12926 - 12928. I'm out of my depth now :p. |
| 00:22:16 | H10_007quick | 13 |
| 00:22:30 | H10_007quick | 8 |
| 00:22:31 | H10_007quick | lol |
| 00:22:44 | Soul-Slayer | As you said, current SVN just worked for me for a short while |
| 00:22:49 | Soul-Slayer | I got about 20 seconds until it froze up on me |
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| 00:25:03 | parasite | I'm having a peculair problem with MIDI play on an iPod mini |
| 00:25:23 | parasite | it plays fine |
| 00:25:27 | parasite | but the speed is off (a lot) |
| 00:25:49 | parasite | it seems as though the midi viewer has been configured into some sort of benchmarking mode |
| 00:26:21 | markun | linuxstb: I have an idea to increase battery life for video playback on at least the Gigabeat and increase the contrast for dark scenes at the same time, can you guess what it is? |
| 00:26:24 | linuxstb | No, the midi player plays audio back at 22.050KHz but the ipod audio drivers don't support that samplerate. |
| 00:26:45 | linuxstb | markun: Reduce the backlight brightness? |
| 00:27:41 | markun | yes (and change the image to compensate for it) |
| 00:27:53 | parasite | linuxstb: interesting. A dirty hack would be to rewrite every midi file with a tempo = tempo/2 ? |
| 00:29:13 | Llorean | parasite: It's the samples that have to be played back differently, not just the tempo of the file, I believe. |
| 00:29:29 | Llorean | The pitch is off, right? |
| 00:29:44 | markun | linuxstb: do you think it could work? |
| 00:30:12 | Llorean | markun: If the brightness is to be adjusted, it should be optional. I like the full brightness |
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| 00:30:25 | Llorean | markun: On a related topic, is backlight fade time configurable yet in LCD settings? |
| 00:30:26 | markun | Llorean: why? |
| 00:30:29 | linuxstb | markun: I don't know... It doesn't sound like it would to me, but I know nothing about these things. |
| 00:30:49 | markun | Llorean: you would dark scenes to be brighter? |
| 00:30:54 | markun | would like |
| 00:30:55 | parasite | the pitch isn't off |
| 00:31:02 | parasite | the pitch is just right |
| 00:31:07 | parasite | it's the MIDI tempo that is off |
| 00:31:12 | Llorean | markun: Because usually when I personally am going to be watching videos it will be in a moderately brightly lit environment, so without the brightness many scenes (especially dark ones) will be hard to see. |
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| 00:32:15 | markun | Llorean: did you understand what my plan is? |
| 00:32:44 | Llorean | markun: Maybe not, I thought it was just to decrease the brightness. Are you talking about varying it depending on the brightness of the scene? |
| 00:33:14 | parasite | Llorean: you're right, pitch is off too |
| 00:33:27 | parasite | by an octave |
| 00:33:32 | parasite | so it's indeed the sample frequency |
| 00:33:36 | H10_007quick | barrywardell: building 12904 to see if the error is contained there |
| 00:33:42 | linuxstb | markun: See this reply to the wma ffmpeg fixed-point question? http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2007-March/025830.html |
| 00:33:57 | Soul-Slayer | 007, I'm fairly sure it will be okay as 12925 was okay. |
| 00:33:59 | markun | Llorean: check the whole frame for the brightest value. Increase the brightness until it's at max and then change lower the backlight brightness so it looks right again |
| 00:34:05 | linuxstb | He's the person who converted the Realaudio cook decoder to fixed-point, so it seems that a fixed-point wma decoder might be on its way... |
| 00:34:37 | markun | linuxstb: that's great news! |
| 00:34:50 | linuxstb | Indeed. Someone needs to send that person a Rockbox-capable DAP... |
| 00:34:51 | Llorean | markun: If it can be done without changing the perceived view of the video, then sure. I just don't want it to hurt my ability to see the screen in bright light. :) |
| 00:35:07 | markun | it almost sounds like we care about WMA :) |
| 00:35:19 | Llorean | We do have a couple WMA applicants for SoC |
| 00:35:30 | Soul-Slayer | markun: Surely that would increase battery consumption rather than preserve it? It sounds far more processor intense |
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| 00:35:44 | Llorean | Soul-Slayer: Backlights take a very, very suprising amount of power. |
| 00:36:01 | Soul-Slayer | Really? Ignore me then, lol. |
| 00:36:04 | markun | Soul-Slayer: let me look up some values for you |
| 00:36:09 | Soul-Slayer | Okay. |
| 00:36:13 | linuxstb | Llorean: Even if the ffmpeg decoder has a fixed-point implementation, it's still not a trivial task to create a good wma decoder in Rockbox from it. |
| 00:36:17 | Llorean | Soul-Slayer: It may or may not save power, but it's at least got a fair chance of doing it. |
| 00:36:24 | markun | Soul-Slayer: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/GigabeatInfo?rev=2;filename=Power.html |
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| 00:37:01 | Llorean | linuxstb: Very true, but we're likely to see some progress at least if we accept one of them. |
| 00:37:55 | Soul-Slayer | I see what you mean now, it does seem to use a great deal of power... Can the gigabeat backlight be set to different levels, or just On/Half/Off? |
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| 00:38:06 | markun | Soul-Slayer: 64 levels |
| 00:38:12 | Soul-Slayer | Aha... |
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| 00:38:37 | Screens3rver | hi |
| 00:38:50 | Screens3rver | i have a question.. how to install new themes? |
| 00:38:52 | markun | although I believe the difference between the highest values becomes hard to see |
| 00:39:04 | Soul-Slayer | I'd imagine so |
| 00:39:06 | Screens3rver | just extract it into the root of my player or in the .rockbox folder? |
| 00:39:11 | linuxstb | markun: I don't think you want to slow mpegplayer down any more though - it already can't cope with full-screen NTSC (29.97fps) videos. |
| 00:39:43 | Soul-Slayer | Screens3rver: If you got the theme in a zip file, usually all the files are pre-setup to be in the correct paths |
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| 00:39:58 | Soul-Slayer | So, just extract it to your .rockbox folder, and make sure it's using folder names |
| 00:40:20 | Screens3rver | do i have to overwrite something? |
| 00:40:27 | markun | linuxstb: I think it will be ok, I modified the yuv code once to change the brightness/contrast and the video still played back fine. |
| 00:41:00 | Soul-Slayer | Shouldn't overwrite anything, no |
| 00:41:06 | barrywardell | Soul-Slayer, H10_007quick: OK, so it looks like it's in the changes Slasheri made earlier today. |
| 00:41:13 | markun | linuxstb: I could do an experiment anyway |
| 00:41:38 | barrywardell | they would probably affect the ipods the same way |
| 00:41:58 | linuxstb | markun: Yes, experiments are good. |
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| 00:42:45 | barrywardell | can anybody with an iPod test current SVN and see if they get freezes? |
| 00:42:50 | Insectoid | I did |
| 00:42:53 | Soul-Slayer | barrywardell: Do you see where exactly the problems are occurring? Or will we need to speak to him to get a fix? |
| 00:42:55 | H10_007quick | barrywardell: Sevakis? |
| 00:42:59 | Insectoid | I reverted to 12925 and it's skippy. |
| 00:43:06 | perldiver | markun you modified the yuv code? |
| 00:43:20 | markun | perldiver: yes, but didn't commit |
| 00:43:33 | perldiver | ah |
| 00:43:51 | Soul-Slayer | Insectoid, do you get freeze ups with the latest SVN? |
| 00:43:52 | barrywardell | I don't understand that code. Slasheri (Miika Pekkarinen) will have to fix it |
| 00:43:52 | perldiver | does it look more contrast / colorful now? |
| 00:44:14 | Insectoid | Soul-Slayer Yes, on my Ipod 5g. |
| 00:44:25 | Soul-Slayer | Aha. |
| 00:45:00 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I'm compiling for my Color now... |
| 00:45:13 | perldiver | markun would be interesting to see, as i thought about yuv when i watched video on gigabeat |
| 00:45:27 | barrywardell | linuxstb: thanks. sounds like it might affect at least all dual-core targets |
| 00:45:47 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Although maybe it's a PP5020 think - Slasheri has a video. |
| 00:45:53 | linuxstb | s/think/thing/ |
| 00:45:55 | markun | perldiver: in what way did you think about it? |
| 00:45:56 | Screens3rver | and how to activate the theme? |
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| 00:46:12 | linuxstb | Screens3rver: Settings -> Browse Themes |
| 00:46:13 | Soul-Slayer | Settings -> Browse Themes |
| 00:46:17 | perldiver | markun that some additional contrast / color wont hurt |
| 00:46:22 | Soul-Slayer | Aww beaten :P. |
| 00:46:45 | markun | perldiver: there is something wrong with the contrast/brightness anyway, still have to track that down |
| 00:46:48 | linuxstb | perldiver: Have you had a chance to test the a/v sync improvements I committed today? |
| 00:46:49 | barrywardell | linuxstb: Insectoid says he is getting a crash with his video... |
| 00:46:58 | Screens3rver | ok theres no such file.. again, just extract it into the .rockbox directory, or extract it into the rootdirectory of my ipod? |
| 00:47:11 | linuxstb | barrywardell: OK... Then we need to slap Slasheri. |
| 00:47:14 | Soul-Slayer | Should be .rockbox. Can you give me a link to where you downloaded it from?> |
| 00:47:35 | perldiver | linuxstb only one video so far |
| 00:47:41 | perldiver | going to do more in a few |
| 00:47:51 | parasite | quick question: where has "rockboy" gone in the iPod mini build? |
| 00:48:02 | parasite | it is included in the iPod Video build |
| 00:48:12 | Soul-Slayer | It should be in mini builds now. |
| 00:48:19 | linuxstb | perldiver: And... |
| 00:48:23 | Soul-Slayer | Try opening a .gc file from the file browser |
| 00:48:36 | Soul-Slayer | Or .gb |
| 00:48:37 | parasite | Soul-Slayer: there is no "rockboy.rock" file in the ipod mini build |
| 00:48:38 | perldiver | linuxstb it was somewhat short and i didnt notice any sync issues |
| 00:48:40 | Soul-Slayer | Or something like that :$ |
| 00:48:42 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Yes, it froze almost immediately in the main menu - I've never seen that before... |
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| 00:48:44 | Soul-Slayer | Ehm... |
| 00:48:47 | perldiver | i need to go through yesterday's |
| 00:48:49 | parasite | there is one in the iPod Video build |
| 00:49:05 | perldiver | as i remember the exact places where it went out of sync |
| 00:49:41 | Soul-Slayer | You are looking under 'viewers' yes? |
| 00:49:46 | linuxstb | perldiver: So at least it's no worse than yesterday's build? |
| 00:49:52 | Llorean | parasite: Mini 1st or 2nd gen? |
| 00:50:05 | Screens3rver | http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=320x240x16 |
| 00:50:08 | perldiver | linuxstb no, looked promising |
| 00:50:56 | linuxstb | Llorean: Are you running the latest SVN on your Nano? |
| 00:51:02 | Soul-Slayer | Ahh right. Try extracting them to the root of your ipod. |
| 00:51:16 | barrywardell | linuxstb: Same as I got. I don't understand the thread code so can't guess what the cause is |
| 00:51:38 | Llorean | linuxstb: Not yet, I was testing on my gigabeat |
| 00:51:43 | linuxstb | barrywardell: One option would be to revert that commit - at least tomorrow's daily builds would work... |
| 00:51:54 | Llorean | parasite: Looks like the only grayscale target Rockboy is build for is the Recorder and the H100. |
| 00:52:20 | Llorean | linuxstb: Did you want something else tested? |
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| 00:52:38 | linuxstb | Llorean: Not really - but it seems current SVN is freezing on all portalplayer targets. |
| 00:52:56 | barrywardell | linuxstb: yeah. When is Slasheri normally around? there are 3 commits to revert in that case... |
| 00:52:59 | Llorean | linuxstb: Ah, video is freezing or general use is? |
| 00:53:14 | linuxstb | Llorean: General - nothing to do with mpegplayer. |
| 00:53:32 | Soul-Slayer | Is there any way I can get the latest SVN from the site and revert the commits locally? |
| 00:53:40 | parasite | hmmm, can that be added to the iPodFAQ page? |
| 00:53:55 | parasite | or in the manual |
| 00:53:56 | Soul-Slayer | Short of replacing the files manually |
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| 00:54:02 | parasite | because I was very confused :-) |
| 00:54:11 | markun | Soul-Slayer: yes, that's possible with svn |
| 00:54:40 | Soul-Slayer | Any ideas how? I want to try out these mpegplayer improvements :p. |
| 00:54:56 | Soul-Slayer | But they came after the freezes unfortunately ^^ |
| 00:55:07 | linuxstb | Soul-Slayer: If could try something like "svn diff -r 12925:12928 > patch.diff" and then "patch -R < patch.diff" |
| 00:55:12 | linuxstb | s/If/You/ |
| 00:55:17 | Llorean | parasite: Does the iPod Mini manual mention Rockboy? |
| 00:55:30 | Soul-Slayer | Thanks |
| 00:55:42 | parasite | Llorean: it doesn't |
| 00:56:10 | linuxstb | parasite: Although I agree it wouldn't hurt to add that to the FAQ - you can edit it yourself. |
| 00:56:18 | Llorean | parasite: So, it's not in the manual, and it's not included, I don't see the discrepancy then. It might belong in the FAQ though, yes. |
| 00:56:29 | Screens3rver | ahh i love that theme :D |
| 00:56:57 | Screens3rver | will be another "common ipod bashing" tomorrow :D |
| 00:57:05 | Screens3rver | gn8 guys nd ladies |
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| 00:57:35 | Soul-Slayer | Okay, currently building from latest SVN with Slasheri's commits reverted |
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| 00:57:43 | Soul-Slayer | I'll tell you if it works |
| 00:57:57 | linuxstb | Soul-Slayer: I'm just doing the same for my ipod |
| 00:58:02 | Soul-Slayer | Race ya ;) |
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| 00:58:22 | parasite | Could I be added to the wiki write list? My wikiname is "RubenFaelens" |
| 00:59:18 | linuxstb | parasite: Done. |
| 00:59:33 | parasite | thanks a lot! |
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| 01:00:02 | linuxstb | Soul-Slayer: There yet? |
| 01:00:10 | Soul-Slayer | No, I think you may just beat me :p |
| 01:00:15 | Soul-Slayer | At z80.c at the moment :p |
| 01:00:44 | linuxstb | It seems fine now... |
| 01:01:11 | Soul-Slayer | Just finished making :p... Apparently I lose |
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| 01:02:38 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I think Slasheri is now on GMT+3 - hopefully he'll be around in the morning, to either fix it or revert himself. I would prefer not to revert other people's commits. |
| 01:03:02 | * | linuxstb sleeps |
| 01:03:16 | Soul-Slayer | Think is, do you think Slasheri will realise where the problem is? I can only assume he doesn't have a PP target player if he committed things which break them ^^. |
| 01:03:35 | linuxstb | He does have one - an ipod video. |
| 01:03:37 | barrywardell | yeah, ok. it could be an easy fix |
| 01:03:42 | Soul-Slayer | Ah okay. |
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| 01:04:44 | Soul-Slayer | Yeah, all is good with my H10 now |
| 01:04:55 | barrywardell | me too |
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| 01:07:32 | Soul-Slayer | My mpegplayer is all out of sync again now though :$ |
| 01:08:02 | linuxstb | Skip Frames and Limit FPS enabled? |
| 01:08:06 | Soul-Slayer | Yes. |
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| 01:08:18 | linuxstb | And the video plays fine on a PC? |
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| 01:08:56 | Insectoid | In what file is show_logo()? |
| 01:09:01 | linuxstb | apps/misc.c |
| 01:09:12 | Soap | SVN commit 12613 "Make rockboxdev.sh build ARM libgcc with support for thumb code interworking" Is that new functionality being used yet? |
| 01:09:16 | Soul-Slayer | Yes. After a few seconds into the video, it pauses momentarily, continues, pauses, continues, pauses, then continues for the rest, but out of sync. |
| 01:09:18 | Insectoid | Thank ya. Want to put my piezo beepy hello thing in there. |
| 01:09:30 | linuxstb | Soap: I don't think so - but dan_a was experimenting with it. |
| 01:09:45 | Llorean | Soul-Slayer: So you have a file that doesn't play realtime? |
| 01:09:53 | Soap | thank you linuxstb. |
| 01:09:56 | Soul-Slayer | Audio and video are now out of sync |
| 01:10:03 | Soul-Slayer | They aren't out of sync on computer |
| 01:10:18 | Soul-Slayer | Atleast they wern't, lol, lemme check again |
| 01:10:21 | linuxstb | What FPS is the file, what resolution, and what player do you have? |
| 01:10:54 | Soap | Everybody and their brother can compile the album art and bmp resize patches. Everybody but me it appears. Trying to figure out where my build enviroment differs. I haven't updated my enviroment since before that change, but I'm not sure what else could be going on. |
| 01:11:44 | linuxstb | Soap: How does it fail? |
| 01:12:01 | linuxstb | And can you compile a plain SVN Rockbox? |
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| 01:13:07 | linuxstb | Soap: Are you running gcc 4.0.2? |
| 01:13:08 | Soap | errors out on one of the plugins - but stops with an error 2. You asked me just as I closed and deleted my error log - so it's not like I have enough info to help. :( |
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| 01:13:12 | Soap | 4.0.3 |
| 01:13:24 | Soap | yea, I can compile a plain one just fine. |
| 01:14:17 | linuxstb | Does the plugin use the read_bmp() function (or whatever it's called)? |
| 01:14:57 | Soap | I believe so, let me double check |
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| 01:16:09 | Soap | read_bmp_file ? |
| 01:16:15 | linuxstb | Sounds right· |
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| 01:16:46 | linuxstb | The bmp resize patch changes that function IIRC, so all calls to it need changing. |
| 01:17:15 | Soul-Slayer | linuxstb: Sorry for delay... H10 6GB, 25fps, 128x96 |
| 01:17:36 | Soap | thank you linuxstb - I'll look into that - I'll let you get back to real work. |
| 01:17:53 | linuxstb | Soap: Good luck. Real work means sleep now... |
| 01:18:11 | Soap | still more important than album art ;) |
| 01:18:11 | Soul-Slayer | I can wait :P Get some sleep :p. |
| 01:18:17 | linuxstb | Soul-Slayer: And it plays OK on your computer? If so, could you upload it somewhere so I can test? |
| 01:18:25 | linuxstb | (it won't be tonight...) |
| 01:18:36 | Soul-Slayer | Sure I can |
| 01:18:41 | Llorean | Soul-Slayer: What's the bitrate of the file? |
| 01:18:49 | Soul-Slayer | 128kbps |
| 01:19:14 | Llorean | That's the video bitrate you encoded at? |
| 01:19:18 | Soul-Slayer | Hold. |
| 01:19:25 | Soul-Slayer | I think thats the audio bitrate |
| 01:19:38 | Soul-Slayer | Video is 400 I think |
| 01:19:54 | linuxstb | Soul-Slayer: OK, I'm really going to sleep now - if you upload the file somewhere, just send me a PM. |
| 01:20:06 | Soul-Slayer | Sure thing. Goodnight, sleep well. |
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| 01:21:20 | Llorean | linuxstb: Just one last note: Sync is perfect with my longer video so far, and it's been playing for quite a while now, it should've been very noticeable by this point. |
| 01:21:44 | Soul-Slayer | I'll get another video |
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| 01:22:16 | Llorean | Soul-Slayer: Try encoding that one at about 250kbps for the video. At that small of a resolution, it probably won't be very noticeable of a difference |
| 01:22:23 | H10_007quick | the audio needs to be like 44kb/s right? |
| 01:22:36 | Llorean | H10_007quick: 44.1khz |
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| 01:23:04 | H10_007quick | ya that is what soul slayer is doing wrong |
| 01:23:08 | Llorean | H10_007quick: Any kbps you feel like, though for television (where it's mostly spoken) 48-64 is often enough with a decent MP3 encoder, for things with music or sound effects you want around 128 I think |
| 01:23:08 | H10_007quick | right |
| 01:23:18 | H10_007quick | oh |
| 01:23:29 | Soul-Slayer | Llorean: I tried this video on the last A/V sync attempt made a couple of days ago, and it worked fine there. I'm downloading the Elephants Dream video at the moment |
| 01:23:30 | Llorean | Lower kbps means faster decoding, but 128 is pretty standard for audio |
| 01:23:36 | Soap | Llorean: would you suggest forcing mono when that low? |
| 01:23:44 | Soap | (48) |
| 01:23:45 | H10_007quick | so the audio bitrate can be anything |
| 01:23:48 | Llorean | Soap: Yes, definitely. |
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| 01:24:03 | H10_007quick | but the sample rate must be 44.1 |
| 01:24:03 | Llorean | Soap: Most television shows that are dialogue heavy aren't very big on actually making decent use of the stereo anyway. |
| 01:24:16 | Llorean | H10_007quick: 44,100 HZ, or 44.1 KHZ, yes. |
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| 01:26:15 | blackness | does anyone have problems mounting an ipod with windows? mine seems to freeze explorer.exe everytime. |
| 01:26:55 | Soap | permantly blackness, or for a minute or so? |
| 01:27:01 | Soap | 22 commits today? |
| 01:27:49 | Soul-Slayer | Right okay, I think it was my video |
| 01:28:01 | blackness | well it seems like forever so I have never just let it sit, I usually have to end the explorer.exe process and then run it again, for it to work. |
| 01:28:22 | Soul-Slayer | Elephants Dream seems to be in sync. Although it's hard to tell, it's not the easiest video to try and compare A/V |
| 01:30:11 | Soul-Slayer | Does anyone else have fuzzy audio with mpegplayer? |
| 01:30:19 | markun | not me |
| 01:30:46 | Soul-Slayer | Seems quite distorted to me. Understandable, and only a minor irritation, but quite distorted nonetheless |
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| 01:32:17 | markun | Soul-Slayer: but not on your PC? |
| 01:32:27 | Soul-Slayer | Correct |
| 01:32:38 | Soul-Slayer | And not when playing audio normally either. |
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| 01:33:12 | Soap | what target Soul-Slayer ? |
| 01:33:17 | Soul-Slayer | H10 6GB |
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| 01:34:07 | Soap | (I guess I was really just curious if it was PP or not, but not like I have any ideas, just listening) |
| 01:34:22 | Soul-Slayer | Someone else on misticriver with a H10 6GB was saying they had the same type of distortions |
| 01:35:02 | Soul-Slayer | 'Anyone else getting harsh clippings/distortions in the highs/trebles with mpegplayer's update?' |
| 01:35:42 | Soap | I'd be curious, if you had any mpeg tools, if the demuxed audio would distort when played normally in Rockbox, but lord only knows if that means anything. |
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| 01:35:54 | roolku | Soul-Slayer: I have one example file with distortion (only on target, not on PC), but figured it must have been the source material... |
| 01:36:10 | Soul-Slayer | Which target do you have? |
| 01:36:19 | roolku | Soul-Slayer: it is not recent, but has always been like this |
| 01:36:26 | Soul-Slayer | Ah |
| 01:36:31 | roolku | Soul-Slayer: gigabeat |
| 01:36:31 | safetydan | I believe the audio decoding in the mpegplayer is totally independant of the normal mp3 decoding. So it's entirely possible for distortion to only show up playing videos. |
| 01:36:45 | Soul-Slayer | My mpegplayer used to play fine, when A/V was out of sync totally |
| 01:36:55 | Soul-Slayer | As in, the audio sounded as it should do |
| 01:37:19 | Soap | oh, duh, I guess if it were using the same decoder it might not need 44.1 |
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| 01:45:24 | Soul-Slayer | Right well, it's late, goodnight all, thanks for all the help :). |
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| 02:16:43 | rds | The build of today 2007-03-26 freeze my ipod video 60GB, the build of yesterday 2007-03-25 doesn't |
| 02:16:46 | rds | any ideas? |
| 02:17:22 | rds | it freeze on startup, just after displaying the main menu. And sometimes just few seconds later |
| 02:18:32 | rds | I think it is realted to FS #6912 |
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| 02:19:50 | Llorean | rds: It's believed to relate to some of the threading changes made, and will hopefully be fixed or reverted within 24 hours |
| 02:22:02 | rds | Llorean: OK, I' ll be glad to help if somebody working on this needs a tester |
| 02:23:24 | parasite | whiii, midi playback works if you just divide the tempo by half and transpose all tracks -12 |
| 02:23:48 | parasite | the drums are a little bit cheesy, that's all |
| 02:24:02 | rds | is the freeze-causing commit already identified? |
| 02:25:27 | Llorean | rds: Yes. |
| 02:26:21 | rds | Llorean: can you tell me which is it? |
| 02:27:02 | rds | maybe r12926?? |
| 02:27:08 | Llorean | rds: 12926, 27, and 28 together, I believe. |
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| 02:27:23 | rds | :-) . Thanks |
| 02:27:51 | Llorean | I'm not 100% certain those are the problem |
| 02:28:08 | Soap | can I nominate a "golden quote" |
| 02:28:13 | Llorean | I was concentrating on something else while it was discussed, but I'm about 80% sure. |
| 02:28:18 | Llorean | Soap: Which one? |
| 02:28:19 | Soap | which isn't from Rockbox? |
| 02:28:28 | Soap | "...but IMHO our bigest chalenge is to get the Zune firmware to boot from our code instead of thinking that our code is bad and it needs to be reset. I am lost when it comes to that part. If ANYONE can get the zune to boot and just flash words on the screen I will be set in that I can prolly get and OS onto it. (maybe)" |
| 02:30:06 | Llorean | I don't think that qualifies four *our* GoldenQuotes, unfortunately |
| 02:30:10 | Soap | It's just the greatest embedded-hardware-os-replacing line ever. I'm sorry for the offtopic, I'll shut up now. |
| 02:30:33 | Llorean | I think we've badmouthed the Zune guys enough without immortalizing it on a page somewhere. ;) |
| 02:31:22 | Soap | and that's a good second reason to shut-up-soap |
| 02:31:48 | Llorean | I am impressed by that statement though. Where'd this one come from? |
| 02:32:38 | Soap | the big man himself. |
| 02:34:50 | Llorean | Soap: Have you seen the Zune-Linux "roadmap"? |
| 02:35:50 | scorche | that whole thing is quite amusing |
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| 03:24:16 | weirdcrap | =\ |
| 03:24:28 | weirdcrap | i have an issue |
| 03:24:50 | weirdcrap | rockbox freezes on boot |
| 03:27:09 | weirdcrap | hello |
| 03:29:50 | n17ikh|Lappy | try removing your settings file |
| 03:29:55 | n17ikh|Lappy | see if it's something in your settings |
| 03:30:13 | weirdcrap | well this is a fresh install on a fresh ipod |
| 03:30:15 | n17ikh|Lappy | if not, try a different build of it |
| 03:30:21 | safetydan | weirdcrap, more information needed. What target? What version of Rockbox? How recent is your bootloader? etc. |
| 03:30:41 | Llorean | weirdcrap: Roll back to yesterday's daily build |
| 03:30:46 | safetydan | If it's from today, try a build from a day or two ago. There's some issues with iPod targets. |
| 03:30:54 | safetydan | (and other PP targets...) |
| 03:31:13 | weirdcrap | @safetydan the target is a black and white 4th gen ipod |
| 03:31:24 | weirdcrap | the version is whatever was released today |
| 03:31:33 | weirdcrap | the bootloader is the one linked on the site |
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| 03:31:59 | Llorean | weirdcrap: "The one linked to on the site" when? |
| 03:32:07 | dj-fu | you're not helping yourself |
| 03:32:12 | dj-fu | by being sarcastic/cynical |
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| 03:33:02 | weirdcrap | im not being sarcast or cynical |
| 03:33:04 | weirdcrap | im just lazy |
| 03:33:06 | weirdcrap | fine ill go look |
| 03:34:30 | weirdcrap | the ipod rockbox build is this one |
| 03:34:31 | weirdcrap | http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipod4gray/rockbox.zip |
| 03:35:21 | Llorean | weirdcrap: That one changes frequently, which is why he asked specifically for the version. |
| 03:35:43 | Llorean | weirdcrap: But as was said, your best bet is just using yesterday's daily for now |
| 03:35:47 | weirdcrap | ok |
| 03:35:53 | weirdcrap | how do i find the version from that? |
| 03:37:12 | Llorean | What exactly are you asking? |
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| 03:37:47 | weirdcrap | how do i find the version # of the build i linked too |
| 03:38:00 | weirdcrap | it doesnt give a version number anywhere that i can see |
| 03:38:08 | JdGordon | main menu > system > versino |
| 03:38:13 | Llorean | In Rockbox, go to System and then Version |
| 03:38:22 | weirdcrap | i cant |
| 03:38:24 | Llorean | It also shows as you boot up, on the same screen as the Rockbox Logo, but it's not there long. |
| 03:38:24 | weirdcrap | it freezes |
| 03:38:31 | weirdcrap | oh ok |
| 03:39:01 | JdGordon | Llorean: good news :) unless slasheri's schecudlar commit last night broke it, I have a much better scroll whell during playback :) |
| 03:39:25 | Llorean | JdGordon: Good to hear. |
| 03:39:55 | JdGordon | the buffering thread is set to too high priority... and seen as the "disk" is so fast there is no reason for it to be so high |
| 03:40:16 | Llorean | Buffering is actually kinda slow on the iPods. |
| 03:40:25 | JdGordon | not really an ideal fix of course, but its ok for now |
| 03:40:34 | Llorean | But I think that's more the driver, than priority. |
| 03:40:53 | JdGordon | how is it on the nano? Its probably the disk access slowing it down |
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| 03:41:22 | JdGordon | also, setting the wheel light to act as a disk access light is crazy :D ! |
| 03:41:47 | Llorean | JdGordon: It's pretty good on the Nano, if I recall. I just know someone timed how long the disk was spinning in Rockbox compared to the Apple, and the difference was far too big to simply be accounted for differing amounts of RAM use unless they used very very much less |
| 03:44:23 | JdGordon | maybe they are doing some funky stuff with the dsk then? but yeah, if you want to try ot out.. change firmware/export/thread.h:38 so the priority is 8 |
| 03:44:51 | Llorean | Maybe I'll give it a try later, then. |
| 03:44:54 | JdGordon | buffering of course takes much longer, but it keeps up easily with playback so its no big deal |
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| 04:30:47 | Soap | stupid question. |
| 04:31:00 | Soap | Where are the tempory files from running rockboxdev.sh? |
| 04:33:06 | Soap | build-rbdev is gone. Told you it was a stupid question. |
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| 04:38:31 | JdGordon | which temp files? the build dirs, or the downloaded files? |
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| 04:40:17 | Soap | both |
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| 04:51:40 | Bromius | Argh. I just accidently bought and opened the wrong Sansa... didn't realize about the Rhapsody. I thought Rhapsody was a different model line... not "Best Buy's" version |
| 04:51:57 | Bromius | is anyone working on getting the bootloader working, or has the rhapsody been abandoned? |
| 04:51:58 | Bromius | :( |
| 04:52:52 | Llorean | Bromius: It's not *just* the best buy version, but I believe it does say on the box. |
| 04:53:04 | Bromius | yeah, it does |
| 04:53:06 | Llorean | Anyway, it hasn't been abandoned. |
| 04:53:08 | Bromius | it was my own stupid fault |
| 04:53:29 | JdGordon | Soap: downloads are in ~/tmp arent they? and build dir is build-rbdev... unless the script was changed since i last used it.... |
| 04:53:42 | Bromius | I just saw on rockbox site that Rhapsody wasn't supported, so I figured Rhapsody was the smaller mp3 player that SanDisk puts out |
| 04:53:51 | Bromius | Should have done more due diligence |
| 04:54:33 | Bromius | Sansa Express..... thought that was the Rhapsody |
| 04:54:47 | Bromius | Here's hoping they find the right numbers to get the bootloader working :( |
| 04:55:02 | Soap | JdGordon: yea. Like I said, I asked a stupid question, I asked 2 mins before I found the paths. |
| 04:55:11 | JdGordon | ah ok :) |
| 04:56:06 | Bromius | Well, if they're still working on it, I'll hang on to this. If not, it gives me a good reason to ebay this and buy the next upgrade model when it's released :-D |
| 04:56:20 | Bromius | Silver lining.... glass half full... dang that grass is greener... and these grapes aren't so bad |
| 04:59:09 | Llorean | Bromius: You could return it, and go find a non-R model |
| 04:59:43 | Bromius | already opened it... don't know best buy's return policy on that |
| 04:59:55 | Bromius | and honestly, feeling lazy, lol |
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| 05:00:58 | Bromius | How were the right numbers found for the standard model? Anything that a sometimes developer could do to help? |
| 05:01:13 | Soap | BB is pretty lenient abou that./ |
| 05:02:13 | Soap | I'll trade you another non-RB target for it. |
| 05:02:20 | Llorean | Hahaha |
| 05:02:28 | Llorean | Nano2G? |
| 05:02:59 | Bromius | hehe |
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| 05:03:29 | Llorean | Soap: Do we know how fast the Nano2G's processor is and/or if it's multicore? |
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| 05:03:50 | Soap | Llorean: I haven't seen anything solid, just speculation. |
| 05:04:09 | Soap | But I haven't read on it for a few months, so maybe some news came down the pike. |
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| 05:07:55 | Bromius | Llorean: Do you know who's working on this? |
| 05:09:11 | Llorean | Bromius: Several people, when they have time or a new idea. |
| 05:09:42 | Bromius | Figure I'd offer my help and/or encouragement... I'll go search the wiki for development docs |
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| 05:14:39 | Bromius | sweet... they already have a vmware image with a development environment |
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| 05:28:29 | RaRe` | i need a little bit of help, i need to defrag my player in alphabetical order, can i just use command promt eg "defrag h: /f /sn /skiphigh" |
| 05:32:48 | RaRe` | curse my australian time line, shakes fist :) |
| 05:35:25 | jhulst | RaRe`: That command looks good to me, I don't remember if DOS commands are case sensitive or not, you may need to use /F /SN |
| 05:35:47 | RaRe` | i see |
| 05:36:06 | jhulst | RaRe`: I've heard though that you should only call defrag from true dos, not sure if this has been fixed in more recent versions of windows or not |
| 05:36:15 | RaRe` | i assume it would take a very long time to arange the folders because its on a k5 |
| 05:36:55 | RaRe` | interesting |
| 05:38:54 | RaRe` | thanks for that jhulst |
| 05:39:12 | jhulst | RaRe`: no problem |
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| 05:59:43 | pearldiver | just saw a weird message in the wps |
| 05:59:55 | pearldiver | "save failed. no partition?" |
| 05:59:59 | pearldiver | never saw that one before |
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| 06:15:15 | VoiceGuy | So I came in here since I was installing for the first time.. JUSSST in case there were problems. That was insanely painless. |
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| 06:15:17 | VoiceGuy | =) |
| 06:18:16 | Soap | what player do you have? |
| 06:18:46 | VoiceGuy | ipod video - 30gig |
| 06:19:22 | VoiceGuy | its currently building the database |
| 06:19:49 | Soap | checking, unless something has changed in the last few hours there are reports of PortaPlayer targets (including the iPod) having a problem with recent builds. |
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| 06:20:19 | VoiceGuy | well it seems it might be frozen actually |
| 06:20:20 | Soap | Might want to take a day or two old archived "daily" build for a day. |
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| 06:20:44 | VoiceGuy | suggestion of how far back I should go - a week? |
| 06:21:33 | Soap | a day |
| 06:22:33 | VoiceGuy | And it's just a matter of copying over everything from that build and rebooting? |
| 06:22:34 | Soap | (someone else can speak up, I've been out all day and don't know which commit caused the problem) |
| 06:22:38 | Soap | yea |
| 06:23:22 | VoiceGuy | unpacking now - thanks |
| 06:24:21 | VoiceGuy | database is updating better now |
| 06:24:45 | VoiceGuy | how frequently does that happen, where a build is causing errors like that? |
| 06:25:29 | Soap | very rarely. |
| 06:25:35 | Soap | very |
| 06:25:57 | Soap | But I don't even know what the problem is, I came in late. |
| 06:26:30 | VoiceGuy | no prob. Looking forward to playing & tweaking... |
| 06:27:07 | VoiceGuy | any suggestions for optimization? |
| 06:27:13 | VoiceGuy | battery life and such? |
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| 06:32:43 | Soap | on iPods most of the battery life problem seems related to an unknown. |
| 06:33:20 | Soap | You can only do so much. minimize backlight usage, and don't "thrash" the memory buffer by filling it up with tracks, then skipping said tracks. |
| 06:33:50 | VoiceGuy | right |
| 06:33:56 | Soap | EQ takes processor, thus battery, but that's _probably_ ounces compared to the gallons being leaked to the unknown. |
| 06:34:19 | Soap | 'tis 2 hours past my bedtime. |
| 06:36:04 | VoiceGuy | well thanks for the help |
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| 06:43:56 | blackness | does anyone know what ground I should use for a line in on a ipod dock connector? |
| 06:44:57 | Soap | either |
| 06:45:12 | JdGordon | grrr.. bloody lecture was cancelled :'( |
| 06:45:41 | Soap | blackness: they are bonded on the motherboard. |
| 06:45:55 | Soap | I use both when using sheilded leads. |
| 06:46:02 | Soap | I before E |
| 06:46:13 | scorche | except after c |
| 06:46:30 | Soap | JdGordon: you going to finish this for scorche? |
| 06:46:40 | blackness | so the first and second pins? |
| 06:46:50 | Soap | yea |
| 06:46:57 | JdGordon | ? |
| 06:47:03 | scorche | or when sounding like a...like in neighbor or weigh? |
| 06:47:08 | Soap | line in is 5 and 6, right blackness? |
| 06:47:16 | blackness | yeah |
| 06:47:25 | Soap | I'd clip 3 and 4 and 7 and 8 to make more room myself. |
| 06:47:40 | blackness | thanks soap, will do |
| 06:47:47 | JdGordon | Soap: what am i finishing for scorche? |
| 06:48:10 | blackness | I just hope I'm looking at the thing the right way |
| 06:48:10 | scorche | i already finished it |
| 06:48:30 | Soap | plug it into your ipod |
| 06:48:39 | Soap | grasp it with your thumb on the screen side |
| 06:48:52 | Soap | turn it towards you, thumb still on top. |
| 06:49:13 | Soap | 1 and 2 are on the left IIRC (now I'm unsure) |
| 06:49:25 | Soap | yea, they are. |
| 06:49:38 | blackness | okay so up is up |
| 06:49:55 | Soap | now you know which side is up, _when plugged in_ 1 is upper right. |
| 06:50:01 | Soap | LEFT |
| 06:50:24 | blackness | don't do that |
| 06:50:28 | Soap | oh god, I told you wrong first. |
| 06:50:47 | scorche | left, right? =P |
| 06:50:49 | Soap | when plugged in, 1 is upper LEFT when you are looking at the bare pins on the back side of the jack. |
| 06:50:56 | Soap | (assuming screen is up) |
| 06:51:14 | blackness | yes yes of course |
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| 08:07:02 | blackness | where is the guide for recording? |
| 08:07:10 | tsuyoshi | hey.. just installed rockbox on my sansa, I selected "database" and built the database, and it said I needed to reboot, so I held down the power button and now it says "Shutting down..." but it appears to have frozen |
| 08:07:24 | tsuyoshi | any way to force it to turn off? |
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| 08:09:07 | tsuyoshi | oh I found it.. have to hold power button for 15 seconds |
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| 08:11:31 | tsuyoshi | gah, it crashed |
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| 08:15:42 | midgey | tsuyoshi: you may want to try a build from yesterday if your current one keeps crashing |
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| 08:18:06 | daniel1234 | hi I have got cygwin to compile but when I add a patch can I have the patch in the source folder with the apps folder and type the command to add a patch and can I call the patch anything |
| 08:18:53 | tsuyoshi | midgey: ok.. I will try that |
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| 08:22:36 | tsuyoshi | god.. I wonder if I could move all the music into a hidden directory or something so the original firmware can't see it |
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| 08:22:58 | tsuyoshi | it's confused and keeps refreshing the whole database every time I turn it on |
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| 08:27:30 | pondlife | jhMikeS: On http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6317, you post a patch that is "not a proper fix". Can you elaborate? I'd like to nail this one, but it doesn't happen under the sim. |
| 08:31:27 | tsuyoshi | ok, yesterday's build seems more stable... hasn't crashed so far |
| 08:31:37 | tsuyoshi | should I report this as a bug or anything? |
| 08:32:26 | midgey | no, its a known issue |
| 08:32:32 | tsuyoshi | alright |
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| 08:45:46 | Slasheri | linuxstb: hmm, ipod video is crashing with the latest svn? weird, mine is working fine. but now at work, can't experiment right now |
| 08:55:27 | preglow | twenty gsoc applications now |
| 08:56:37 | scorche | wow...that is quite a lot |
| 08:56:50 | JdGordon | do we have to have a mentor for the good ones before google will accept them? |
| 08:56:55 | JdGordon | or does that come later? |
| 08:57:12 | preglow | we have to have a mentor, afaik |
| 08:57:21 | preglow | many good ones have mentors now |
| 08:57:31 | preglow | that is, not assigned, but mentors saying they are willing |
| 08:57:38 | scorche | define "good ones" =P |
| 08:57:53 | preglow | ones i want to see implemented :P |
| 08:57:59 | scorche | haha |
| 08:59:08 | tsuyoshi | ok.. now the display locked up |
| 08:59:28 | tsuyoshi | still playing and responding to the buttons but the display isn't changing at all |
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| 09:00:03 | tsuyoshi | oh now it just came back |
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| 09:20:55 | crop | JdGordon: ping |
| 09:21:14 | JdGordon | pong |
| 09:21:30 | petur | | .| |
| 09:22:27 | GodEater_ | petur, you're playing both sides ? :) |
| 09:22:34 | petur | always ;) |
| 09:22:41 | GodEater_ | hehe |
| 09:22:47 | crop | JdGordon: I see the last change of root_menu. And I don't quite like the line 440 with "if (ret_val <= GO_TO_ROOT)". Since there is no real order in these values. They should only be compared with == or != IMHO. |
| 09:23:00 | crop | JdGordon: what do you think? |
| 09:23:14 | JdGordon | there is a real order to them... |
| 09:23:36 | JdGordon | anything less than GO_TO_ROOT is to be treated more like an error code than a real value... |
| 09:23:53 | crop | Cause in this form, the code is rather fragile. What if someone reorders the names? That should have no impact on the functionality. |
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| 09:24:30 | crop | Well, they are not errors. Rather "relative paths" |
| 09:24:32 | GodEater_ | crop, no-one's going to reorder them though - they're in that order for a reason |
| 09:25:54 | crop | GodEater: and what's the reason? And why that particular order? If there's a reason, why not put a comment? I would do that if I knew the reason and if my laptop hadn't crashed |
| 09:26:14 | crop | ...and why that values? |
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| 09:28:11 | GodEater_ | JdGordon is probably more qualified to answer that question. But what is your issue with the order they're in currently ? |
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| 09:29:47 | crop | GodEater: my problem is that I think that there is no logical order (there is an order since they must be somehow listed in the source code but that order is not dictated by the app logic but rather by the linearity of the code) |
| 09:30:04 | crop | And hence changing the order should not change the app logic IMHO |
| 09:30:48 | GodEater_ | but doing it your way would require a lot more code |
| 09:31:21 | crop | If there is some marker value then we should have a macro, e.g. IS_ABSOLUTE_ENTRY(x) or something similar. But "(ret_val <= GO_TO_ROOT)" seems rather cryptic to me |
| 09:31:57 | JdGordon | crop: there is an order and its very important... GO_TO_ROOT must be -1.. if you change that it will crash... |
| 09:32:16 | JdGordon | not because -1 is checked elsewhere... but because the return value is used as an index into an array.... |
| 09:32:23 | JdGordon | < 0 == CRASH! |
| 09:32:56 | crop | JdGordon: you mean, GO_TO_FILEBROWSER must be 0? |
| 09:33:31 | JdGordon | no.. GO_TO_ROOT must be -1.. and everything below it must be +ve |
| 09:34:48 | GodEater_ | is anyone planning on adding these 20 odd SoC applications to the wiki page - there doesn't appear to be anything like 20 there currently |
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| 09:35:06 | crop | Why not do a map? I.e. store in root_items not by index, but put the GO_TO_xxx value into the structure. And then look up by that value. Then there will be no crashes. And items can be reordered at will (and the code becomes more robust, there's no hidden magic) |
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| 09:35:31 | JdGordon | becuase we need speed and small binary size... |
| 09:35:37 | LinusN | GodEater: we will announce the applications that we have approved |
| 09:35:43 | * | JdGordon busy for the next hour or so.... |
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| 09:37:15 | crop | JdGordon: so the reason is that the entries are stored in an array using the GO_TO_xxx values as the index? Ok, the FILEBROWSER must be 0 |
| 09:37:19 | GodEater_ | LinusN, oh - shame. I was just curious what they all were |
| 09:37:48 | LinusN | since the applications are not public, we don't feel we have the right to publish them |
| 09:37:57 | GodEater_ | oh ok - that's fair then |
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| 09:39:36 | scorche | GodEater_: thanks for reminding me...i need to change the page from mentor to student =) |
| 09:40:05 | GodEater_ | scorche: haha - I won't ask what you applied for then :) |
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| 09:59:00 | linuxstb | preglow: Have you seen this? http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2007-March/025830.html (he's the person who converted the RealAudio Cook codec to fixed-point recently) |
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| 10:00:45 | linuxstb | Slasheri: I haven't tried the latest SVN on a video, but it freezes immediately on the main menu on my Color. barrywardell (and someone else) experienced the same thing on the H10. |
| 10:01:01 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Reversing your 3-stage commit fixed the problems for all of us. |
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| 10:04:08 | Slasheri | linuxstb: ok, so it loads up to main menu but buttons do nothing? |
| 10:04:22 | Slasheri | linuxstb: please try on video too if possible |
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| 10:12:34 | GodEater_ | is the freezing just a PP issue, or ARM ? |
| 10:13:15 | linuxstb | Just PP afaik. |
| 10:13:19 | linuxstb | i.e. dual-core. |
| 10:16:56 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Current SVN froze on my video as soon as I tried to enter the Files menu. Backlight is stuck on. |
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| 10:25:20 | Slasheri | linuxstb: ok, i will debug asap |
| 10:28:08 | JdGordon | Slasheri: did you remove one thread off the COP with that commit? |
| 10:28:21 | JdGordon | the os stacks shows only 1 thread on the cop.. before it there were 2 |
| 10:29:27 | * | JdGordon isnt having problems with svn on the sansa.... |
| 10:30:27 | Slasheri | JdGordon: yes, the codec thread (which never ran on cop anyway) |
| 10:30:35 | JdGordon | ok |
| 10:32:04 | JdGordon | cept its stalled shuttind down! |
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| 10:36:49 | scorche | JdGordon: there was a person that came in earlier about that |
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| 10:41:08 | preglow | linuxstb: nice |
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| 10:42:58 | pondlife | LinusN: Roughly when do you think the GSoC projects will have been decided? |
| 10:43:06 | LinusN | april 11 |
| 10:43:12 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:43:15 | pondlife | :) |
| 10:43:22 | pondlife | 11:22 am? |
| 10:43:27 | LinusN | probably |
| 10:43:31 | pondlife | Cool :) |
| 10:43:39 | LinusN | the deadline is april 11 |
| 10:43:56 | pondlife | There are some wild projects on the wiki page, and some very useful ones.... |
| 10:44:05 | pondlife | IMHO, of course |
| 10:44:21 | LinusN | we have all sorts of wild ideas among the 20 applications |
| 10:44:29 | pondlife | And some serious dependencies too. |
| 10:44:39 | pondlife | I mean, for doing the Right Thing |
| 10:44:58 | pondlife | So there are more ideas not yet on the wiki? |
| 10:44:59 | LinusN | yes, we have to think about what would benefit the project the most |
| 10:45:10 | Lynx_ | go for the fax/modem! ;) |
| 10:45:11 | LinusN | and the stident too |
| 10:45:11 | * | JdGordon votes MoB :p |
| 10:45:13 | LinusN | student |
| 10:45:16 | * | pondlife coughs the word "playback" |
| 10:46:01 | * | preglow hands LinusN some wma files |
| 10:46:28 | JdGordon | does anyone know the playback code well enough to explain on the wiki exaclty how it works, to hopefully help whoeveer tries MoB? |
| 10:46:45 | LinusN | we have two applications for developing a WMA codec |
| 10:47:04 | linuxstb | Even if that ffmpeg person converts the wma decoder to fixed-point, I still think there's enough work just in porting it well to Rockbox and optimising it. |
| 10:47:18 | LinusN | linuxstb: yeah, probably |
| 10:47:21 | pondlife | JDGordon: I will help if I'm around But jhMikeS is much more into the "unbuffering" end and lostlogic much more into the "buffering" end. |
| 10:47:34 | pondlife | Those would be my GOTO gurus.. |
| 10:47:51 | linuxstb | And if the person runs out of work to do, there are other codecs in ffmpeg, such as realaudio... |
| 10:48:06 | * | pondlife thinks he better look at the playback code before summer. |
| 10:48:29 | JdGordon | i hate to say it.. but real audio would be more usefull than wma... my lectures are all online in .ra not .wma :p |
| 10:48:43 | pondlife | Urgh, I feel sorry for you |
| 10:49:08 | pondlife | Real is worse than MS and Apple together for it's system hogging... |
| 10:49:10 | JdGordon | linuxstb: data abort loading elephants dream on my sansa with svn.. |
| 10:49:17 | linuxstb | What's the view on video playback? I think it would be nice for Rockbox to have video capabilities to match its audio capabilities - almost all modern original firmwares have some kind of video capability now. |
| 10:49:18 | preglow | linuxstb: definitely |
| 10:49:44 | * | JdGordon doesnt see the pint of video unles it will decode DivX at full speed :D |
| 10:49:45 | pondlife | Yep, but I'd like it to be fitted in with the normal playback engine. |
| 10:49:55 | linuxstb | pondlife: Yes, exactly. |
| 10:50:26 | * | petur considers getting triggered by Jd mentioning 'pint' |
| 10:50:36 | pondlife | I see the playback simplification and MoB as being the two things that are stopping most other stuff. |
| 10:50:44 | pondlife | pint pint pint |
| 10:50:45 | * | preglow gets cascade triggered |
| 10:51:35 | JdGordon | linuxstb: ah dw... its slasheris code not mpegplayer ctrashing :p |
| 10:51:53 | pondlife | Then there's the low latency playback/mixer that is preventing the fax/modem ;p |
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| 10:53:17 | linuxstb | LinusN: Who's responsible for rating the projects for the final submission to google? Is it simply the combined scores from the potential mentors, or do the project admins submit a list manually? |
| 10:53:34 | * | preglow doesn't see the point in rockbox fax/modem functionality |
| 10:53:45 | * | pondlife neither |
| 10:54:40 | pondlife | Has anyone suggested that improving iPod/PP battery life should be a project? |
| 10:54:49 | preglow | no |
| 10:54:57 | preglow | and i don't really think it should be one |
| 10:55:01 | LinusN | linuxstb: i guess the combined score is only one factor |
| 10:55:38 | LinusN | the score seems to be more an "i like it" factor rather than "a good project" |
| 10:55:39 | pondlife | preglow: Why not? |
| 10:56:08 | pondlife | The final decision will hopefully be similar to that which gave us the name "Rockbox" :) |
| 10:56:19 | LinusN | pondlife: most likely :-) |
| 10:56:23 | linuxstb | LinusN: I'm just unsure what happens now - i.e. how do we as a project decide which students and projects to accept? |
| 10:56:35 | LinusN | it will also depend on if someone is willing to mentor it |
| 10:57:01 | LinusN | linuxstb: i thought about that this morning, we should probably have a mentor-only IRC meeting |
| 10:57:07 | * | pondlife wishes he could clone himself and be a mentor while sending pondlife2 to work |
| 10:57:32 | pondlife | And pondlife3 could be a student too... |
| 10:57:35 | linuxstb | LinusN: Sounds good to me. |
| 10:57:54 | LinusN | hmmm, are all mentors committers? i think so |
| 10:58:02 | preglow | pondlife: i think all projects should have a goal we know to be possible in the time frame given, and also have goals that lend themselves better to planning progress beforehand |
| 10:58:03 | LinusN | they should be, anyway |
| 10:58:12 | pondlife | preglow: True. |
| 10:58:19 | linuxstb | LinusN: Yes, but so are some students... |
| 10:58:20 | LinusN | so we could discuss it on the committers mailing list |
| 10:58:21 | scorche | LinusN: if aliask is a mentor, he isnt |
| 10:59:04 | preglow | LinusN: i wouldn't really mind if other commiters chipped in on the discussion anyway |
| 10:59:29 | preglow | but yeah, a private irc meet is probably better |
| 10:59:33 | JdGordon | LinusN: not all mentors are commiters... |
| 10:59:50 | LinusN | i actually think a mentor should be a committer |
| 10:59:55 | * | preglow too |
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| 11:00:12 | JdGordon | doesnt really make a difference imo... |
| 11:00:30 | pondlife | Depends on how the projects get into SVN, maybe. |
| 11:00:34 | JdGordon | people without commit access know the code just as well (possibly better in some cases) as people with... |
| 11:00:50 | pondlife | i.e. Big commits, or some kind of evolution... |
| 11:00:52 | LinusN | JdGordon: yes, but the mentor needs to be "in the loop" |
| 11:00:58 | preglow | JdGordon: it's not only about knowing the code |
| 11:01:01 | JdGordon | true... |
| 11:01:36 | scorche | define "in the loop"...knowing where the project stands and such? |
| 11:02:28 | JdGordon | although... its not like there is much talk on the *cough* ml... apart from all the user bashing of course :p |
| 11:03:06 | LinusN | scorche: sort of, yes |
| 11:03:27 | daurnimator | users suck ;) |
| 11:03:32 | JdGordon | amen! |
| 11:03:34 | daurnimator | thats why i don't use rockbox |
| 11:03:40 | daurnimator | that and i have no target |
| 11:04:09 | scorche | well, i am just curious, as if i dont make it in as a student, i would like to be a mentor...and i wouldnt think i would be too "out of the loop"...but feel free to define ways that i wouldnt be |
| 11:04:48 | preglow | there are deadlines |
| 11:05:03 | preglow | if you don't make it for a project, you can't just suddenly become a mentor |
| 11:05:33 | scorche | that there are, and we werent sure whether you can or not...i intend to play it out as it falls and see |
| 11:06:21 | pondlife | I would say that the montor has more resposibility than the student, no? |
| 11:06:29 | pondlife | mentor, even |
| 11:06:35 | scorche | i would say so as well |
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| 11:06:54 | JdGordon | how so? there is no onux on them to do any coding.... |
| 11:06:58 | JdGordon | onus* |
| 11:07:02 | preglow | in one way, yes |
| 11:07:12 | daurnimator | no |
| 11:07:15 | preglow | but the student is who's doing the actual work... |
| 11:07:20 | daurnimator | student requires many hours work |
| 11:07:28 | daurnimator | mentor requires approx 3 hours a week |
| 11:07:30 | pondlife | They will need to know the code very well, or the student will waste many hours |
| 11:07:44 | scorche | the student has to mainly just complete his work and learn as he can...the mentor is responsible for helping the student through it all and judging them impartially |
| 11:07:46 | LinusN | there is a pretty serious amount of responsibility on bith sides |
| 11:07:50 | LinusN | both |
| 11:07:54 | pondlife | responsibility != time |
| 11:08:03 | scorche | more hour requirement for the student, but more responsibility on the mentor still |
| 11:08:08 | scorche | pondlife: aye |
| 11:08:14 | JdGordon | there is always support in here.. so the mentor isnt all that important... |
| 11:08:23 | LinusN | it's not like google wants to waste $5k on nothing |
| 11:08:39 | pondlife | JdGordon: That's not the right attitude for a mentor though ;p |
| 11:08:41 | JdGordon | going by the way they pay.. you dont get anything unless you finish |
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| 11:09:03 | pondlife | Who decides if something is finished? i.e. up to quality standards... |
| 11:09:08 | LinusN | and the mentor is partly responsible for that to happen |
| 11:09:24 | scorche | JdGordon: but, only the mentor will be the main guidance and will evaluate...random people in here wont do that |
| 11:09:31 | * | pondlife would rather have incomplete good-quality work than complete hackery |
| 11:09:39 | * | LinusN too |
| 11:09:48 | * | JdGordon three |
| 11:10:06 | pondlife | It would be unfair to not pay a diligent student who runs out of time. |
| 11:10:06 | JdGordon | scorche: yeah.. but.... |
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| 11:10:45 | pondlife | (And a bit unfair on us all to pay a student who breaks stuff!) |
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| 11:11:01 | scorche | alright then...i retract my earlier statement about being a mentor then ;) |
| 11:11:05 | LinusN | hahaha |
| 11:11:08 | pondlife | lol |
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| 11:11:22 | scorche | perhaps next year |
| 11:11:38 | scorche | pondlife: aye...not good to encourage that type of getting through projects =/ |
| 11:11:39 | pondlife | Me too. Will arrange a sabbatical! |
| 11:13:33 | scorche | pondlife: quite a long one |
| 11:14:27 | pondlife | Summer is 3 months... plus 1 month to prepare. |
| 11:14:32 | browca04 | My ipod 5g with new bootloader and most recent build keeps crashing/locking. |
| 11:14:35 | browca04 | WAT I DO? |
| 11:14:46 | pondlife | Go back to an older daily build |
| 11:14:54 | browca04 | See that's the thing. |
| 11:14:54 | pondlife | It's being worked on |
| 11:14:57 | * | Llorean wonders when Slasheri wakes up. |
| 11:15:13 | linuxstb | Llorean: He's been around this morning. |
| 11:15:14 | browca04 | I was getting an abort at 0003452 or some other number message on the older ones.. |
| 11:15:15 | pondlife | browca04: http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
| 11:15:20 | Llorean | linuxstb: Ah, it's known to him now then? |
| 11:15:21 | scorche | pondlife: yes, but it isnt like you will be dedicating the entirety of each day to it...that is more the student's job ;) |
| 11:15:25 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes. |
| 11:15:42 | pondlife | scorche: I would like to do some work too. |
| 11:15:56 | pondlife | i.e. be an unpaid student |
| 11:16:03 | GodEater_ | browca04, did you also update your bootloader to the latest version ? |
| 11:16:27 | Llorean | We still need a mentor interested in USB stack, I think. |
| 11:16:50 | preglow | petur: don't you have usb experience? :> |
| 11:17:10 | pondlife | Isn't the PP non-documentation going to hinder an implementation? |
| 11:17:27 | linuxstb | The USB parts of the PP are documented. |
| 11:17:30 | Llorean | pondlife: We have some documentation for the USB controller, or at least some 'similar' documentation. |
| 11:17:31 | pondlife | Ah! |
| 11:17:52 | * | pondlife apologizes and hopes the H3x0 USBOTG would also be implemented |
| 11:17:59 | petur | preglow: a bit - did some usb stuff under CE |
| 11:18:06 | scorche | enough to be likely of completion? |
| 11:18:38 | Llorean | pondlife: The proposal is for Sansa (which in turn extends to all Portalplayer) for device mode, with Host mode if there's time. |
| 11:18:47 | * | petur converted his h3x0 usbotg trial from his cvs tree to his svn tree yesterday |
| 11:19:03 | Llorean | petur: You're signed up to mentor, in general, right? |
| 11:19:12 | petur | I did, yes |
| 11:19:28 | Llorean | Interested in mentoring the USB Stack application? |
| 11:19:43 | petur | yes |
| 11:19:51 | Llorean | It seems popular, but nobody's clicked the "I am willing to mentor" button yet. |
| 11:20:02 | petur | where? |
| 11:20:09 | Llorean | petur: http://code.google.com/soc/rockbox/open.html |
| 11:20:13 | Llorean | Be signed into your google account |
| 11:20:24 | pondlife | Llorean: The proposals are only visible to mentors, right? |
| 11:20:35 | preglow | afaik |
| 11:20:37 | pondlife | Ah, yep |
| 11:20:40 | * | petur missed the application link on the top |
| 11:20:40 | scorche | pondlife: for now, yes |
| 11:20:52 | pondlife | Sorry, I was reading the wiki page for USB projects. |
| 11:21:09 | scorche | the summary becomes public if/when the application is accepted |
| 11:21:11 | pondlife | "interesed in USBOTG" |
| 11:21:13 | Llorean | LinusN: Do you think the "Spider" thing should be relegated back to Google? I agree that it's an interesting idea, but not necessarily something of interest to us. |
| 11:21:30 | * | petur doesn't like the "main focus on the Sansa e2xx players" in it |
| 11:21:39 | LinusN | Llorean: i believe so |
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| 11:22:15 | * | pondlife hopes all GSoC development is essentially target neutral (new ports excepted) |
| 11:22:29 | preglow | and codecs... |
| 11:22:44 | preglow | Llorean: spider thing? |
| 11:22:51 | pondlife | But probably best you don't discuss it here too much or I'll just get even more curious... :( |
| 11:23:12 | Llorean | preglow: It was, more or less, attempting to establish a communication means for indexing data between portable devices and host computers, sorta. |
| 11:24:47 | Llorean | petur: I think a fair stipulation is that the focus be on making it available for all suitable Rockbox targets. If he only has the e200, testing will be there, of course, but it should extend to the other portalplayer targets easily enough from there, and as mentor I think you could make sure it's kept suitable for more generic use too, right? |
| 11:26:20 | preglow | am i right in saying that we have all the docs on pp usb we need?= |
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| 11:28:02 | linuxstb | preglow: I think only time will tell us that, but I think they're pretty complete. |
| 11:28:59 | preglow | i'd just rather not have any projects dependent on reverse engineering |
| 11:29:26 | linuxstb | apart from new ports? |
| 11:29:26 | scorche | if one runs into a permanent roadblock... |
| 11:29:54 | preglow | linuxstb: "new port" in itself is pretty vague, so would work better there |
| 11:30:03 | pondlife | I don't really see that a new port is a suitable project either. |
| 11:30:10 | preglow | but "usb support" is very specific, and if you stuble upon a big problem, you're screwed |
| 11:30:11 | pondlife | It's certainly ambitious |
| 11:30:13 | scorche | well, the question is, is how feasible the port is |
| 11:30:22 | preglow | pondlife: i might actually agree, yes |
| 11:30:28 | preglow | it all depends |
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| 11:30:53 | Llorean | preglow: But a USB stack can still work on the H300 even if we turn out not having enough info for the portalplayers. |
| 11:31:01 | linuxstb | preglow; But USB support is something we want, so any work that can be done (even if it ultimately doesn't succeed) will be progress of some kind. |
| 11:31:09 | preglow | Llorean: sure, but then we'd need to buy the guy a h300 for testing |
| 11:31:21 | preglow | not a big roadblock, i suppose |
| 11:32:23 | Llorean | preglow: Well, isn't a decent part of the implementation not entirely hardware dependent anyway? |
| 11:32:28 | pondlife | preglow: If you find anywhere selling H300s, let me know :) |
| 11:32:39 | scorche | preglow: also, he would be potentially getting 4.5k with 500 up front...as long as he is briefed on that and approves... |
| 11:33:24 | linuxstb | preglow: What I'm trying to say is that if someone does enough work to discover that we don't in fact have enough documentation to succeed with USB on PP, then it's work that would have had to have been done by someone, so isn't wasted. |
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| 11:34:46 | Llorean | " Christian Gmeiner (Student) Sure.. it will be a portable USB Stack, which means that it can be used by every RockBox target which needs it." |
| 11:34:56 | Llorean | He's quite happy with the assumption that it needs to be portable |
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| 11:40:07 | linuxstb | Llorean: Have you experienced any audio distortion with mpegplayer? Soul-Slayer reported it to me last night, but he left without providing me a sample file. |
| 11:41:32 | Llorean | linuxstb: No, I have not. |
| 11:43:19 | preglow | linuxstb: did the sample clamp help at all? |
| 11:43:44 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, according to a few forum posts. I never experienced issues myself though. |
| 11:46:14 | linuxstb | preglow: Any idea how easy/hard it would be for a plugin to pass audio through the DSP code? e.g. for mpegplayer to use the resampler? |
| 11:46:26 | linuxstb | (and maybe other things like crossfeed) |
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| 11:47:34 | preglow | linuxstb: very easy |
| 11:47:49 | preglow | but let me check that out |
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| 11:48:55 | Llorean | linuxstb: Does MPEG2 actually support 23.976? |
| 11:49:24 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes - see the comments near top of plugins/mpegplayer/mpegplayer.c for the list of samplerates. |
| 11:49:35 | barrywardell | Regarding the USB stack, MrH managed to write a basic one for e200tool just from the freely available i.MX31 reference manual |
| 11:50:11 | linuxstb | I thought it was using libusb? |
| 11:50:13 | Llorean | linuxstb: Hm, if I try to tell vlc to convert with fps=23.976 it doesn't convert the video stream. The original file claims to be 23.976, but when I didn't set FPS it didn't convert either. |
| 11:50:27 | preglow | linuxstb: "very" might be an overstatement, i see, since the current plugin audio stuff is very lowlevel |
| 11:50:36 | preglow | but i refuse to believe it'd be hard to devise a scheme that'd patch in dsp |
| 11:50:43 | preglow | ask jhMikeS :> |
| 11:50:50 | barrywardell | libusb is used on the host end. he has a driver in e200tool that gets uploaded to the device |
| 11:50:59 | linuxstb | I was thinking of asking him - he's shown an interest in video anyway... |
| 11:51:04 | barrywardell | it's a basic device mode driver |
| 11:51:11 | linuxstb | Ah... |
| 11:51:27 | linuxstb | I wish he would just rename himself and join us properly... |
| 11:52:16 | Llorean | Assuming he's not already a part of us, doing other things that seem unrelated to keep up his distinction for whatever reason he maintains the anonymity. |
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| 11:53:45 | Llorean | linuxstb: Anyway, I converted the 23.976 file to 29.97 so that I could actually get a video stream, and the video finished up minutes before the audio did. That shouldn't happen, should it? |
| 11:54:00 | * | Llorean is testing a full playback on the PC now. |
| 11:54:05 | * | preglow puts on a trenchcoat and fedora |
| 11:56:05 | * | GodEater_ suddenly develops the theory that Llorean is MrH |
| 11:56:29 | linuxstb | Llorean: What about fps=24000/1001 ? |
| 11:57:43 | scorche | GodEater: too bad you are horribly wrong =P |
| 11:57:58 | GodEater_ | hehehe |
| 11:58:14 | Llorean | linuxstb: VLC will accept that in the command line? I'll try it then |
| 11:58:21 | linuxstb | Llorean: I don't know. |
| 11:58:33 | linuxstb | I'm pretty sure mencoder does though. |
| 11:58:40 | preglow | scorche: because you are him, you mean? :Z |
| 11:58:58 | linuxstb | Or her... |
| 11:59:02 | * | scorche whistles anonymously |
| 11:59:08 | scorche | pun? =P |
| 11:59:16 | Llorean | linuxstb: It might accept 23.976024 though |
| 11:59:38 | Llorean | linuxstb: I know that the 23.976 file that "worked" was actually 23.976023 according to a second program. |
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| 12:00:01 | linuxstb | Maybe that's the problem - the original file is inaccurately specifying the framerate. |
| 12:01:26 | Llorean | I'll try encoding at a better 23.976 then. |
| 12:01:27 | linuxstb | Maybe you can override the framerate of the input file somehow... |
| 12:05:48 | browca04 | I know it's hell delayed, but <GodEater_> browca04, did you also update your bootloader to the latest version ? <<< Yes. |
| 12:06:03 | Llorean | browca04: What does your bootloader look like? |
| 12:06:15 | browca04 | I used the windows executable.. |
| 12:06:20 | browca04 | Did I do bad? |
| 12:06:59 | browca04 | I ran it, it scanned, i uninstalled the old, reinstalled the new. |
| 12:07:17 | browca04 | Then put on the latest .rockbox into root. |
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| 12:07:46 | preglow | Bagder: btw, are the sansa dev boards still just hanging around unused? |
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| 12:14:30 | Llorean | linuxstb: fps=23.976023 encoded with a video stream. |
| 12:14:44 | linuxstb | Did vlc not like 24000/1001? |
| 12:15:20 | Llorean | linuxstb: I haven't tried it yet, if it's going to fail without a video stream it takes a while to encode first, and I was a bit more confident this one would work. Trying that now. |
| 12:16:55 | linuxstb | But I guess if it except fps=23.976023 then all is well. The framerates are just coded 0-7 in the mpeg stream. |
| 12:17:10 | linuxstb | s/except/accept/, time for more coffee |
| 12:17:24 | linuxstb | (and add -ed) |
| 12:17:58 | JdGordon | barrywardell: what do you think about 6913? |
| 12:18:01 | pondlife | Hmm, the current SVN sim is locking up at start here. Was ok until I enabled dircache I think... |
| 12:19:47 | browca04 | Is the r5eason no one is replying because you're too busy shaking your heads over my using the exectuable bootloader installer, or because no one knows wtf is wrong? |
| 12:19:53 | barrywardell | JdGordon: as a stopgap solution i guess it's ok |
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| 12:20:18 | barrywardell | JdGordon: would be nice to solve the problem properly eventually though |
| 12:20:26 | barrywardell | pondlife: are you on a PP target? |
| 12:20:28 | JdGordon | of course... |
| 12:20:33 | Llorean | browca04: By "the executable installer" do you mean the one in the Manual? |
| 12:20:38 | pondlife | barrywardell: Nope, H300 sim |
| 12:20:44 | pondlife | SDL |
| 12:21:00 | linuxstb | Llorean: This tool looks interesting - http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=WinFF (a Windows frontend to ffmpeg) |
| 12:21:03 | browca04 | Yah. |
| 12:21:09 | barrywardell | pondlife: ah,ok. because current SVN freezes on start up with all PP targets currently |
| 12:21:11 | browca04 | Under iPod. |
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| 12:21:17 | barrywardell | maybe related |
| 12:21:26 | pondlife | That's what I was thinking... |
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| 12:21:36 | pondlife | Might be useful |
| 12:21:41 | barrywardell | pondlife: try rolling back 12928-12928 and see if it fixes things |
| 12:21:47 | barrywardell | 12926-12928 |
| 12:22:42 | pondlife | OK, building rev 12925... |
| 12:22:43 | Llorean | linuxstb: That looks interesting. I've been trying to test out a variety of video encoding programs for windows so I could put a better suggested method in the mpegplayer page, but so far VLC is the only one that's output anything halfway decent consistently from varying sources. I'll admit I didn't try mencoder yet, though, even though it's been sitting there waiting for me. |
| 12:23:26 | Llorean | linuxstb: As soon as this VLC encode finishes I'll give WinFF a shot |
| 12:23:54 | Llorean | linuxstb: 24000/1001 didn't work, btw |
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| 12:25:11 | Llorean | linuxstb: Yeah, the 23.976 of this file is 65535/2733 for some reason |
| 12:25:30 | Llorean | Which is .979 it seems |
| 12:26:12 | pondlife | barrywardell: rev 12925 works ok |
| 12:26:23 | pondlife | I'll just try 12928 now |
| 12:27:29 | linuxstb | Llorean: Urgh... What format is that file? |
| 12:27:41 | Llorean | linuxstb: DivX |
| 12:27:51 | linuxstb | What container? avi? |
| 12:27:56 | Llorean | Yup |
| 12:27:56 | Soap | Llorean: define halfway decent? |
| 12:28:02 | Llorean | I encoded a TV show long ago |
| 12:28:19 | Llorean | Soap: Half of them couldn't even decode the problematic DiVX file. |
| 12:28:47 | Soap | ahh, |
| 12:29:06 | linuxstb | LLorean: But a nice point-and-click video converter that works with Rockbox would be great. Especially if we could offer presets for people to download. |
| 12:29:12 | browca04 | Just out of curiosity, to play movies, do i just convert the source (say avi) to an mpeg and resize to like 320 by 176? |
| 12:29:23 | browca04 | For widescreen that is.. |
| 12:29:23 | Llorean | linuxstb: That WinFF one looks REALLY good, but you can't offer presets |
| 12:29:33 | linuxstb | browca04: Basically, yes. |
| 12:29:34 | Llorean | I didn't see a load button at least. |
| 12:30:06 | linuxstb | browca04: The files need to be mpeg-1 or mpeg2 video, mp2 or mp3 audio (at 44.1KHz), and multiplexed into an MPEG Program Stream. |
| 12:30:21 | RaRe` | jhulst_ That defrag on my player is at 15% lol |
| 12:30:42 | linuxstb | Llorean: I thought I read in the comments or changelog that it offered supports for presets. |
| 12:30:45 | Llorean | linuxstb: ffmpeg.exe is reporting that it's improperly compiled though. |
| 12:30:48 | Llorean | linuxstb: Yeah, I see that on the site. |
| 12:30:58 | browca04 | And I trust no one has written an app to do all this for noobs like me... |
| 12:31:45 | linuxstb | browca04: Yes, video encoders exist... The PluginMpegplayer wiki page tells you how to do it. |
| 12:32:23 | linuxstb | browca04: But what player are you running Rockbox on? |
| 12:32:49 | Llorean | linuxstb: It looks like WinFF produces a usable file, copying it to target now, it played in windows at least |
| 12:33:43 | Soap | windows encoding /should/ be simpler. with directshow filter chains most any program /should/ be able to encode anything you can play. |
| 12:33:55 | Llorean | linuxstb: And I see how to add presets. |
| 12:34:17 | linuxstb | Llorean: Is it just Linux and Windows? No Mac version? |
| 12:34:28 | Llorean | linuxstb: There's an XML file to hack, and that's it. Since WinFF is GPL, we could provide it with up to date ffmpeg binaries and it'll be very easy for users. I don't see mention of a mac version |
| 12:34:40 | linuxstb | Although ffmpegX is an ffmpeg frontend for Mac OS X which should be as good. |
| 12:35:38 | linuxstb | Soap: How is that simpler than a self-contained program like ffmpeg which does all decoding and encoding itself? |
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| 12:36:19 | Soap | can ffmpeg read everything floating around out there? |
| 12:36:58 | Llorean | Soap: Pretty much |
| 12:37:23 | Llorean | Soap: The solution to most "Windows won't play it" problems is installing ffdshow |
| 12:37:51 | Soap | true. OK, so I'm 5 years out of date. |
| 12:38:18 | Llorean | But yeah, with a properly set up defaults file, WinFF would be a very, very simple solution to encoding problems. It seems to work |
| 12:38:23 | scorche | does DanA's "Make rockboxdev.sh build ARM libgcc with support for thumb code interworking" mean that i need to update the VMware image? |
| 12:38:38 | Llorean | And if you don't specify a framerate, it seems to match to select a valid MPEG2 framerate for you |
| 12:39:25 | Soap | (I wasn't trying to attack *nix encoding ease, more of "direct show aware encoders should't balk at funky divix files") |
| 12:39:56 | Llorean | Soap: The problem seems to be that a lot of them aren't directshow aware |
| 12:40:41 | Soap | I'm still stuck in the past. I decode, resize and filter with virtualdub, and frameserve to my encoder. |
| 12:41:16 | linuxstb | scorche: Only if we decide to use thumb. But I think it would be a good idea, just in case. |
| 12:41:27 | Llorean | Soap: We're looking more or less for a solution for people who can't handle anything beyond a simple series of mouse clicks. |
| 12:41:51 | scorche | linuxstb: alright...i will get on that then...thanks for clarifying |
| 12:41:58 | Soap | I know, I need to keep my mouth shut, offering nothing. |
| 12:42:06 | linuxstb | Soap: I agree with Llorean. But of course, the advantage of using a standard format like MPEG is that users can use whatever encoders they want - if they know how. |
| 12:45:23 | * | Llorean needs to figure out good bitrates. |
| 12:45:36 | Llorean | I think that 600 in the VLC .bat is quite a bit too high. |
| 12:47:57 | Soap | I was suprised at that too. So used to thinking "1150" for 352x240 (VCD) = 1045 for 320, yet 600 seems more than enough at times. |
| 12:48:39 | Llorean | Soap: I'm finding 400 looks fine for my TV shows. |
| 12:48:56 | Llorean | Soap: And for a widescreen DVD rip of a movie, 500 was enough for quite good visual quality (320x176) |
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| 12:50:14 | Llorean | ffmpeg seems a decent amount faster than VLC too |
| 12:50:34 | linuxstb | The Linux build of winff seems buggy though... |
| 12:50:59 | Llorean | linuxstb: The windows one warns that it might be buggy (libavcodec is reported to be miscompiled) |
| 12:51:15 | Soap | 300 was beautiful for the Nano, only place I saw problems was gradients, which I'm not sure twice that could fix. Overkill beautiful. |
| 12:51:48 | linuxstb | The gradients could simply be the fact that the Nano's LCD is only 16-bit. |
| 12:52:31 | Llorean | Yeah, I think they're an artifact of the screens |
| 12:52:49 | Soap | didn't even think about that. I'll stop chasing that windmill. |
| 12:53:11 | * | JdGordon 's comp is soo fucked :'( |
| 12:53:29 | daurnimator | swap yah |
| 12:53:40 | daurnimator | as long as you let me claim it was stolen |
| 12:53:48 | JdGordon | haha, no problem |
| 12:53:56 | JdGordon | cept this irc is logged.... |
| 12:54:11 | linuxstb | Soap: That could be confirmed by watching the video on your PC |
| 12:54:17 | * | daurnimator destoys logbot_ |
| 12:57:43 | JdGordon | bluebrother: good news :) I tinhk ive finally fixed 6963 or whatever that buig was :p |
| 12:57:54 | pondlife | Hmm, logbot_ won't ever talk to me. |
| 12:58:02 | Llorean | linuxstb: What problem did WinFF have on linux? |
| 12:58:13 | pondlife | I tried "/MSG logbot_ SEEN Zagor", but no response... |
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| 13:00:22 | JdGordon | bah, false alarm... but better than svn at least :p |
| 13:00:26 | JdGordon | bluebrother: ^ |
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| 13:06:46 | Moos | JdGordon: hi, commit or patch coming? |
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| 13:07:50 | JdGordon | if i get it working in the next 15 min.... |
| 13:08:09 | JdGordon | which doesnt look promising :p |
| 13:08:11 | Moos | cool |
| 13:08:15 | Moos | hehe :) |
| 13:14:13 | markun | Hm, GSoC server error.. |
| 13:14:47 | JdGordon | refresh |
| 13:14:53 | markun | yes, works again |
| 13:14:54 | JdGordon | ive been getting them for the last few days |
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| 13:15:24 | JdGordon | hey Nico_P |
| 13:15:32 | Nico_P | JdGordon: hi |
| 13:15:33 | JdGordon | whats the story with the wps patch? |
| 13:15:56 | Nico_P | what do you mean ? |
| 13:16:14 | JdGordon | is it ready to go? or still got bugs? |
| 13:16:58 | pondlife | barrywardell: FYI, my sim locking is not due to Slasheri's commit... might just be the massive database I'm using. |
| 13:17:21 | Nico_P | JdGordon: it still has a few issues |
| 13:17:38 | Nico_P | and I didn't have much time this week end to work on it |
| 13:17:43 | JdGordon | ok :) |
| 13:17:50 | Nico_P | and this week is quite busy for me, but i'll soon be on holiday |
| 13:18:13 | pondlife | Maybe someone should make a time machine as their GSoc project..? |
| 13:18:15 | Nico_P | JdGordon: don't worry, I still intend to finish it :) |
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| 13:20:02 | Nico_P | I'd also appreciate it if someone with a bit of size opitimisation knowledge could take a look at it |
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| 13:23:35 | * | JdGordon off to the pub.. cyaz |
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| 13:26:17 | barrywardell | pondlife: ok, so maybe it just affects dual core targets then |
| 13:27:53 | pondlife | Very likely - also the sim has much simpler thread handling than the targets |
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| 13:38:47 | petur | jhMikeS: do you know what the highest tested & working samplerate is on H1x0 using spdif? |
| 13:38:53 | Moos | barrywardell, pondlie: I can confirm that there is no problem on Codfire (1 core) taget, X5 here |
| 13:39:30 | preglow | petur: input? |
| 13:40:10 | petur | yes input, sorry |
| 13:40:13 | preglow | codfire, now that sounds cool |
| 13:40:15 | preglow | petur: i've been told 96khz works good |
| 13:41:26 | petur | somebody at taperssection said he had dropouts at 88 but I think it's probably his cable, as other users confirmed it works |
| 13:42:04 | preglow | there's no reason that shouldn't work if 96khz does |
| 13:42:15 | preglow | the spdif clock is derived straight from the spdif signal |
| 13:44:44 | * | petur removes support hat again and resumes payed work |
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| 14:36:16 | leftright | one of those 64meg flash dirves with a IDE/ata drive would be very neat, http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=20082 |
| 14:37:01 | petur | 64Gig I hope you mean ;) |
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| 14:38:04 | leftright | yep 64gig :-) |
| 14:38:43 | leftright | it looks as if it'll have the same form and connector as a standard 1.8 HDD |
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| 14:55:09 | peppo | anyone seen any success with ipod 5.5g 80gb? |
| 14:56:55 | GodEater_ | peppo, nope |
| 14:57:06 | GodEater_ | no-one's working on it currently |
| 14:57:23 | peppo | sob :/ |
| 14:57:34 | peppo | I originally had an iaudio x5, but it broke |
| 14:57:39 | peppo | and got this p.o.s. in return |
| 14:57:43 | GodEater_ | well, that's not true precisely, I think DataGhost is |
| 14:57:50 | GodEater_ | but he's not done anything recently I'm aware of |
| 14:58:08 | GodEater_ | and his "work" consists of hacking the code till it works, rather than making it backwards compatible I think |
| 14:58:29 | GodEater_ | which is better than nothing, but some way from being including in the code base :) |
| 14:58:40 | peppo | sight |
| 14:58:40 | GodEater_ | peppo, why didn't you get a Gigabeat ? |
| 14:58:41 | peppo | sigh |
| 14:58:56 | peppo | GodEater, I have no idea, this was their price/feature equivalent |
| 14:59:02 | solexx | Hey, I just dropped in to thank you guys and gals for the ongoing effort for old *and* new models. I stopped tracking rockbox development a few months ago, because I thought I already had everything I could ever want. Now I know better. :) |
| 14:59:18 | GodEater_ | peppo: Gigabeat's cheaper and better than the iPod as a RB target in my opinion |
| 14:59:20 | peppo | GodEater, they have no gigabeat in their sortiment |
| 14:59:33 | solexx | This project's momentum is awesome. Thanks again. |
| 14:59:46 | GodEater_ | solexx: happy users are always welcome :) |
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| 15:00:05 | linuxstb | GodEater: IIRC, DataGhost is taking a break from hacking due to exams... |
| 15:00:15 | dj-fu | heh know the feeling solexx, I haven't used it for months (sold my ipod) but I recommended it to a friend and it looks like it's come a long long way |
| 15:00:29 | * | petur thought LinusN was looking into ipod 80GB... |
| 15:00:51 | GodEater_ | petur: he was - a long while ago - don't think he's looked at it much in the last month or two :) |
| 15:01:12 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: you could well be correct - he's been very quiet |
| 15:01:24 | GodEater_ | I seem to recall him mentioning something of that nature |
| 15:01:42 | linuxstb | Petur: It's somewhere on his to-do list I believe, somewhere between world peace and curing cancer. |
| 15:02:00 | GodEater_ | _between_ them ? |
| 15:02:05 | GodEater_ | I hadn't realised it was that important |
| 15:02:19 | * | peppo sorely regrets this ipod :/ |
| 15:02:28 | peppo | can't play half of my music collection |
| 15:02:36 | GodEater_ | clearly a world without the 80GB iPod running Rockbox is a bad bad bad place |
| 15:02:47 | peppo | indeed |
| 15:03:01 | GodEater_ | mine's kind of gathering dust now |
| 15:04:18 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: that Soader03 guy was hoping rather wasn't he ? |
| 15:04:23 | petur | linuxstb: and checking the ID and VBUS connections of the usbotg connector on h3x0 :) |
| 15:05:50 | GodEater_ | petur: and doing something called "earning a living". Never heard of it myself. |
| 15:05:58 | GodEater_ | I think he's making it up |
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| 15:08:19 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: OT again, but I finally found something that could do DivX/Xvid -> H.264 transcoding on linux without blowing up. Going to try another movie tonight. |
| 15:09:16 | linuxstb | GodEater_: I can't be bothered transcoding things though - I just want my PS3 to play anything I throw at it... |
| 15:09:37 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: ideally so do I - but I'd like the young lady to be able to watch them without my help. |
| 15:10:14 | GodEater_ | she's not completely clueless, but ssh-ing from her laptop to the PS3 to start them is likely to earn me bad looks. |
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| 15:41:31 | markun | some chinese spammers have discovered my gmail address :( |
| 15:41:56 | linuxstb | I've never used my gmail account and get spam there... |
| 15:42:12 | petur | same here |
| 15:42:30 | * | linuxstb thinks he shouldn't have registered "nospamplease@gmail.com"... |
| 15:42:48 | GodEater_ | I used it for 2 years with no spam at all |
| 15:43:03 | GodEater_ | no I get about 10 or so a day, but it's all correctly detected so I don't care |
| 15:43:06 | GodEater_ | s/no/now |
| 15:43:20 | GodEater_ | one greasemonkey script later which stops it even showing up, and I'm happy |
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| 16:09:00 | * | JdGordon returns... pleasantly half drunk :D |
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| 16:11:21 | * | petur kicks JdGordon and watches him fall over |
| 16:11:37 | JdGordon | ouch :'( |
| 16:11:48 | JdGordon | the screen wont stay still :p |
| 16:11:53 | pondlife | Only half drunk? |
| 16:12:01 | pondlife | Back to the bar you go |
| 16:12:05 | JdGordon | more than half |
| 16:12:13 | * | JdGordon has to be awake in 7 hours |
| 16:12:21 | pondlife | OK, plenty of time to code then |
| 16:12:28 | JdGordon | hahaha |
| 16:12:34 | JdGordon | my code is bad enough when im sober |
| 16:12:54 | pondlife | Now breathe into the tube and SVN will decide if you have commit access. |
| 16:13:07 | petur | lol |
| 16:13:38 | JdGordon | well... my chepo breathelizer said im ok to drive.. and im assuming svn is more leniant than the police... so i shold be ok :p |
| 16:14:03 | petur | not the rockbox code police :) |
| 16:16:34 | * | JdGordon is stuffed for tomorow :'( |
| 16:17:01 | pondlife | Tomorrow's another day. |
| 16:17:15 | pondlife | Go sleep |
| 16:17:38 | JdGordon | have to get a working rockbox onto my h300 so i can sertup my alarm :'( |
| 16:17:42 | JdGordon | bloody cd player is broken |
| 16:17:59 | pondlife | Funny - my CD player works, my H300 is broken |
| 16:18:05 | pondlife | Swap!! |
| 16:18:11 | JdGordon | no thanks :p |
| 16:18:21 | pondlife | Nearly got you though |
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| 16:18:54 | pondlife | I'm running the sim instead... got 30000 tracks in my database :) |
| 16:19:31 | pondlife | Had to make a custom build for that (and to make my "archos" dir on a network path). |
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| 16:21:22 | JdGordon | alrighty.. gnite |
| 16:21:31 | markun | JdGordon: night |
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| 16:27:07 | * | markun is happy to see it's going so well with the GSoC applications |
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| 16:44:00 | Blub | Anything on the freezing of portal player targets? |
| 16:44:43 | GodEater_ | Blub: it's something that we're aware of, use a previous build in the mean time |
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| 16:48:25 | Nexx | hi |
| 16:48:54 | Nexx | I would like to know how to open .ape files with rockbox |
| 16:49:47 | Nexx | does anyone know please ? |
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| 16:55:08 | bluebrother | damn, missed JdGordon |
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| 16:57:58 | markun | Nexx: you can't |
| 16:58:40 | markun | Nexx: rockbox supports wavpack, flac, shorten and wav as lossless formats 'only' |
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| 17:00:33 | Nexx | ok |
| 17:00:48 | Nexx | thank you |
| 17:01:24 | Nexx | how can I convert it to flac |
| 17:02:33 | markun | I'm not sure |
| 17:03:12 | markun | long time ago that I used monkey audio |
| 17:03:26 | petur | bluebrother: you didn't miss much, he was half-drunk ;) |
| 17:03:41 | GodEater_ | Nexx: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=52843 |
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| 17:04:42 | Nexx | thank you ^^ |
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| 17:05:44 | H10_007quick | Any news of the portal players being fixed yet? |
| 17:06:26 | GodEater_ | H10_007quick: no - use an older build |
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| 17:07:02 | H10_007quick | GodEater_: I'm not using the build lol just wondered if there was any news about it |
| 17:07:31 | GodEater_ | well define "fixed" |
| 17:08:01 | H10_007quick | As in will work beyond 10 seconds! |
| 17:08:03 | H10_007quick | lol |
| 17:08:21 | GodEater_ | well I imagine you'll see the fix goes through the recent changes table on the front page at www.rockbox.org when it's done |
| 17:08:48 | H10_007quick | I know I was just wondering if someone was working on it or something |
| 17:09:09 | GodEater_ | why? If you're not even using it? |
| 17:09:27 | H10_007quick | I still compile it for my website |
| 17:09:51 | GodEater_ | which website would that be ? |
| 17:10:08 | H10_007quick | http://007quick.googlepages.com/home that one |
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| 17:11:10 | GodEater_ | well as far as I'm aware - the dev in question knows there's a problem. Beyond that, there's no news. |
| 17:11:20 | H10_007quick | Ok |
| 17:11:24 | Arathis | H10_007quick: wasn't it one Slasheri's commits that broke the PPs? So I asume it should be him to fix it when he's got the time to do so and figures out which commit to change |
| 17:11:29 | H10_007quick | yes |
| 17:12:00 | bluebrother | petur: might have been fun ;-) |
| 17:12:14 | bluebrother | but seriously, did he have any results on FS#Cap Semi |
| 17:12:21 | bluebrother | *grrr* |
| 17:12:57 | bluebrother | FS #6863? afaiu not really ... |
| 17:13:13 | GodEater_ | keyboard gremlins got you ? |
| 17:15:19 | bluebrother | yes ... take them away! |
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| 17:16:03 | browca04 | Hey nexx, are you the same nexx off OCAU? |
| 17:18:34 | * | GodEater_ attempts to round up the pesky gremlins |
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| 17:37:40 | Slasheri | Arathis: i will check that now, just arrived home |
| 17:38:50 | linuxstb | markun: You forgot Apple Lossless and AIFF in your list of formats... |
| 17:38:51 | Arathis | :) |
| 17:39:19 | markun | linuxstb: ah yes.. |
| 17:40:20 | markun | linuxstb: any opinion on the flite vs eSpeak discussion? |
| 17:40:35 | markun | (in the GSoC application) |
| 17:41:17 | perl|work | linuxstb all videos are perfectly in sync now |
| 17:41:56 | markun | I'm really missing seeking in mpegplayer now :) |
| 17:43:29 | perl|work | seeking and bookmarking will make it a day dream really |
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| 17:44:36 | piroko | I have an interesting bug happening on my 4G ipod with the latest current build. It boots fine, but locks up completely after about 5 seconds of being in rockbox, whether I do anything or not. |
| 17:44:54 | markun | piroko: it's a known problem |
| 17:45:08 | markun | go back to an earlier build until it's fixed |
| 17:45:14 | piroko | Ah ok. Thanks! |
| 17:45:25 | markun | thanks for reporting anyway |
| 17:45:28 | piroko | Yep yep! |
| 17:45:42 | perl|work | markun i saw a weird one recently |
| 17:46:06 | perl|work | while in wps, it said "save failed. bad partition?" |
| 17:46:14 | markun | perl|work: the Gigabeat guys who were asking for video playback when we just started the rockbox port are pretty quiet.. |
| 17:46:19 | linuxstb | seeking and a/v sync will be hard to do together... People seem to have very odd mpeg files... |
| 17:46:48 | markun | perl|work: they probably switched to the Gigabeat S |
| 17:47:03 | perl|work | markun i think a lot of people gave up, i dont know...its the most amazing thing with gigabeat...watching videos on it after 2 years |
| 17:47:35 | markun | linuxstb: as long as it works for the files generated with the scripts we supply.. |
| 17:48:12 | linuxstb | I think it partly depends on the source files though... |
| 17:48:28 | perl|work | maybe seeking in "blocks" will do more sense? |
| 17:48:37 | perl|work | make* |
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| 17:49:18 | markun | linuxstb: would it be difficult to jump to the next keyframe for example? |
| 17:49:25 | perl|work | linuxstb i converted about 5 formats i think |
| 17:49:30 | perl|work | all were in sync |
| 17:49:39 | perl|work | (with various fps) |
| 17:50:54 | markun | perl|work: I can't find the "bad partition" string in the rockbox source.. |
| 17:53:11 | perl|work | any messages with "partition" at all? |
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| 17:53:37 | DataGhost | linuxstb GodEater |
| 17:53:43 | DataGhost | I was _supposed_ to have exams |
| 17:53:45 | perl|work | "wrong partition" ? |
| 17:53:45 | * | DataGhost whistles |
| 17:53:50 | lostlogic | wow, ipod performance is really starting to come along... mp3 @ 53-54% boost ratio with my own little hackity-hack to make the codec not yield on the COP. |
| 17:54:01 | DataGhost | instead I forgot to register for them, went to a few parties and got myself a girlfriend |
| 17:54:01 | linuxstb | DataGhost: That doesn't sound good... |
| 17:54:06 | DataGhost | so that's why I'm a bit quiet |
| 17:54:06 | DataGhost | :P |
| 17:54:13 | linuxstb | Oh well, always next year... |
| 17:54:18 | DataGhost | nah |
| 17:54:22 | DataGhost | in 2 months or something |
| 17:54:43 | DataGhost | it's not really that big a deal :) |
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| 17:56:59 | linuxstb | markun: The problem with seeking that I've found is that the PTS (presentation timestamps) found in the stream don't match up with the actual content. e.g. you may have an audio stream which starts at PTS X, ends at PTS X+30 seconds, but in fact contains 30.1 seconds of audio if you play it at the stated 44.1KHz. |
| 17:57:21 | linuxstb | So mpegplayer keeps track of how much actual audio there has been, and adjusts the a/v sync accordingly. |
| 17:57:33 | linuxstb | If we seek, then we don't know how much real audio we've skipped. |
| 17:57:39 | markun | that sounds pretty weird.. |
| 17:57:52 | linuxstb | Yep... |
| 17:57:54 | xhaker | what players are TMS320based? |
| 17:57:59 | markun | there must be a way because other players also can do it |
| 17:58:07 | markun | xhaker: there is a list, one moment |
| 17:58:28 | linuxstb | mplayer doesn't seem to be able to - Llorean gave me such a file, and if I seek to the end, the audio is out of sync, but playing it through from the start, it's fine. |
| 17:58:32 | markun | xhaker: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TexasInstrumentsTMS320 |
| 17:59:04 | markun | linuxstb: ah, you mean it's not wrong for all files? |
| 17:59:21 | linuxstb | No, but it seems very common. |
| 17:59:37 | markun | maybe there is a tool (of we can write one) which goes through the file and fixes the PTS? |
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| 17:59:51 | markun | s/of/or/ |
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| 17:59:54 | linuxstb | Yes, I was just thinking the same... A bit like the vbrfix plugin... |
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| 18:00:00 | markun | yes, exactly |
| 18:00:26 | markun | I sometimes use vbrfix in the rockbox sim to fix some files :) |
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| 18:00:48 | linuxstb | You should really port it to a standalone C application then... |
| 18:01:09 | twenty6ix | hi all, i recently installed Rockbox, but noticed that it seems to eat my battery power fairly quick, going from about 100% when charged down to 65% in less than 2 hours |
| 18:01:15 | twenty6ix | anyone know why this is? |
| 18:01:28 | linuxstb | The battery meter is probably inaccurate. |
| 18:01:32 | markun | twenty6ix: which player? |
| 18:02:01 | twenty6ix | 30GB iPod video |
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| 18:03:16 | twenty6ix | is the battery meter just innacurate due to incorrect programming? or is there another reason? |
| 18:03:29 | twenty6ix | *inaccurate, oops. |
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| 18:04:43 | twenty6ix | also, i've noticed that the Battery settings won't allow selection of any battery under 100mAh |
| 18:05:14 | twenty6ix | sorry 1300 |
| 18:05:27 | twenty6ix | the battery that comes in my player is only 630mAh |
| 18:07:09 | perl|work | linuxstb what about bookmarking? |
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| 18:08:45 | markun | perl|work: what about it? |
| 18:08:56 | markun | I think anyone can add that if we have seeking |
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| 18:09:28 | markun | twenty6ix: just ignore the battery setting, it doesn't really matter what it is set to |
| 18:09:39 | linuxstb | perl|work: Ideally I would like video playback in the Rockbox core - so videos are parts of normal playlists. |
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| 18:10:02 | twenty6ix | ok markun, good enough... but about the actual meter, is this a known bug? |
| 18:10:19 | Curunir | would someone want to help me with an iTunesDB/tagcache problem? |
| 18:10:34 | Llorean | linuxstb: So video would actually become a codec, and the visual output would replace WPS drawing? |
| 18:10:34 | twenty6ix | ie, i literally just unplugged my iPod and turned it on about 10 mins ago, and i've already lost a noticable amount of battery power, or at least the meter says i have |
| 18:10:52 | Curunir | [5:09pm] * Topic is 'Read this before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines | gmail users who subscribe to rockbox mails: check your subscription status' |
| 18:10:52 | Curunir | [5:09pm] * Set by scorche on Tue Mar 20 06:52:54 |
| 18:10:52 | Curunir | [5:09pm] -ChanServ- [#rockbox] Be sure to check out the FAQ before you look fo |
| 18:11:06 | perl|work | markun, linuxstb: i see, could be an "easier" solution when theres not seeking |
| 18:11:14 | perl|work | no* |
| 18:13:11 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, that's the idea. Shouldn't that _that_ hard... |
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| 18:13:50 | H10_007quick | Is rockbox.org acting up? |
| 18:13:52 | bluebrother | Curunir: what do you want to tell us by posting the channel topic? |
| 18:14:12 | bluebrother | H10_007quick: works fine here |
| 18:14:20 | H10_007quick | hmm |
| 18:14:27 | H10_007quick | sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't |
| 18:14:32 | bluebrother | cache problem? proxy? |
| 18:15:05 | Llorean | linuxstb: Sounds like a good idea to me, at least. |
| 18:16:07 | markun | linuxstb: would be nice for jpeg decoding as well (and I think you mentioned that before, right?) |
| 18:16:38 | linuxstb | Yes, I did... |
| 18:16:55 | markun | the jpeg decoder has to read from the HDD when you skip to the next file, very anoying. |
| 18:18:15 | linuxstb | Maybe that could be a type of video codec... Play a directory of JPEGs in slideshow mode, with music from an audio file in the same folder.... |
| 18:18:37 | preglow | or better yet: be able to partition the file buffer in several parts |
| 18:18:39 | markun | :) |
| 18:18:41 | preglow | one for audio, one for something else |
| 18:18:43 | preglow | :-) |
| 18:19:06 | pondlife | Video would hopefully come out of MoB quite neatly |
| 18:19:16 | twenty6ix | so nobody can further clarify my curiosity on this battery meter issue? i was reading the FAQ and it did mention something about Rockbox using more battery power than the default firmware, is this actually the case, and if so, anyone know how much more approximately? |
| 18:19:17 | markun | it's all coming together.. |
| 18:19:24 | * | preglow cries for a generic file buffering layer |
| 18:19:36 | preglow | twenty6ix: ipod? if so, yes |
| 18:19:42 | twenty6ix | yes, iPod |
| 18:19:44 | preglow | we don't know why |
| 18:19:48 | twenty6ix | interesting |
| 18:19:53 | pondlife | preglow: I've been crying for buffering to be seperated from playback for a while now |
| 18:19:56 | preglow | the hardware is undocumented, so we might be doing all manner of things wrong |
| 18:20:00 | twenty6ix | i mean, i literally get what seems to be 1/4 of the battery life |
| 18:20:00 | markun | preglow: some kind of malloc with first-in-first-out replacement? :) |
| 18:20:12 | Llorean | twenty6ix: About 1/2 is much more common. |
| 18:20:19 | twenty6ix | 1/2... wow |
| 18:20:20 | Llorean | twenty6ix: Are you sure you're comparing under equivalent circumstances? |
| 18:20:26 | markun | or last-out? (I'm getting confused) |
| 18:20:46 | twenty6ix | Llorean - well, even with playing video the battery wouldn't even hit 75% when using it for almost 3 hours |
| 18:21:00 | twenty6ix | now using Rockbox with just music i get down to about 60-65% after less than twpo |
| 18:21:02 | preglow | markun: yes, with that and support for mallocing fractional blocks if the request is too big for memory |
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| 18:21:04 | twenty6ix | *two |
| 18:21:07 | twenty6ix | that is closer to half i suppose |
| 18:21:11 | preglow | markun: doesn't sound much like malloc anymore does it :) |
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| 18:21:14 | Llorean | twenty6ix: That isn't even remotely useful as a comparison |
| 18:21:32 | markun | preglow: no, but it does sound like a nice idea |
| 18:21:36 | pondlife | preglow: I'm thinking of a buffering API which is given a list of files and it just auto fills the buffer (aka audio buffer) automagically, and provides info on what is currently available. |
| 18:21:38 | preglow | markun: oh yes |
| 18:21:46 | twenty6ix | well, can you suggest another scenario i should use for testing then? i'd like to figure it out |
| 18:21:49 | preglow | pondlife: would be nice |
| 18:21:57 | preglow | pondlife: would need plenty of hooks for whatever is using it, though |
| 18:22:01 | twenty6ix | i'm also not really sure if the battery meter is accurate, as linuxstb said before |
| 18:22:05 | pondlife | Yes, but it requires MoB I think |
| 18:22:06 | preglow | pondlife: like playback would want to read metadata from everything buffered |
| 18:22:07 | Llorean | linuxstb: I'm not sure I'd like jpegs to be able to be in playlists. Seems like it could wreak havok with .bmps if a BMP viewer shows up (album art images), and since jpeg viewer can do slideshows already, somewhat overkill. |
| 18:22:09 | twenty6ix | anyone able to confirm/deny this? |
| 18:22:12 | Curunir | bluebrother: copy/paste mistake, still looking for tagcache help btw (A) |
| 18:22:20 | Llorean | twenty6ix: Confirm what? |
| 18:22:27 | twenty6ix | (12:21:32) (twenty6ix) i'm also not really sure if the battery meter is accurate, as linuxstb said before |
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| 18:22:37 | Llorean | twenty6ix: The battery meter in Rockbox on the iPods is highly inaccurate. Linuxstb already confirmed that to you. |
| 18:22:53 | twenty6ix | ok, i thought he said "probably," i didn't know it was for certain. |
| 18:22:54 | twenty6ix | thanks. |
| 18:23:06 | pondlife | Buffer can already contain codecs and audio data, it needs to be a bit more generic though |
| 18:23:20 | Llorean | twenty6ix: For a valid comparison you'd have to run the same playlist under similar circumstances and see how battery life compares. |
| 18:23:54 | pondlife | And the buffering needs to remain interuptable yet maintain constant output, like now.. |
| 18:24:34 | twenty6ix | alright Llorean, that certainly does make more sense. |
| 18:24:46 | pondlife | Maybe I'll work on a buffering API and then see if we can use it for playback later... |
| 18:25:24 | twenty6ix | i do wish all of you who are programmers for this product the best of luck working out the iPod battery life bug, and also congratulate you on a fine piece of open-source software. this is the sort of software Apple should have had on the iPod from the beginning. thank you for your efforts. |
| 18:25:37 | twenty6ix | not product, program. |
| 18:26:02 | Llorean | twenty6ix: Remember, the battery life issue for iPods has been around years now, it could be a while yet still before it's solved. |
| 18:26:16 | Llorean | It dates to pre-Rockbox times |
| 18:26:21 | Llorean | Well, pre-Rockbox-on-iPod |
| 18:26:34 | twenty6ix | i'm in no rush, i just noticed it and was curious |
| 18:26:58 | twenty6ix | i'm no software developer but i have done a small bit of web programming and realize how frustrating it can be |
| 18:27:46 | twenty6ix | one last question, a bit of an unusual one... is there any way to change the Rockbox start screen that appears after the Apple logo? ;) |
| 18:28:04 | Curunir | so is anyone able to help me? I've converted my iTunesDB to tagcache using itdb2, copied it to the .rockbox directory on my iPod.. but when trying to initialize the database it says "Database is not ready" |
| 18:28:18 | Llorean | twenty6ix: It requires recompiling Rockbox right now, though there has been discussion of making it theme-able. |
| 18:28:42 | Llorean | Curunir: Try using the official method of simply allowing Rockbox to build the database. |
| 18:28:45 | twenty6ix | ok Llorean, that sounds like something i wouldn't have a clue how to mess with. :) thank you for your help everyone, enjoy the rest of your day. |
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| 18:29:46 | Curunir | Llorean: I'm not about to surrender that easily ;) is there any reason why the firmware would not detect .tcd files in the .rockbox directory? |
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| 18:30:49 | Slasheri | Curunir: that converter utility has not been updated to generate compatible internal structures with the rockbox db system |
| 18:30:58 | Slasheri | so it does not work |
| 18:31:13 | Curunir | Slasheri: so using .tcd files is outdated? |
| 18:31:33 | jhMikeS | speaking of playback, I just plopped my butt in this chair to start coding the initial mixer code...hopefully it won't turn out a disaster :P |
| 18:32:15 | Slasheri | Curunir: that converter is outdated, it does not generate the tcd files in correct format |
| 18:32:34 | markun | jhMikeS: great! |
| 18:32:40 | linuxstb | Llorean: I wouldn't like playlists with mixed filetypes (e.g. music and jpegs). One idea would be to add "images" to the "File View" options, and then when a playlist is created in that view, just images are included. |
| 18:33:17 | Llorean | linuxstb: Ah, well that's fine then. |
| 18:33:27 | linuxstb | I agree it would be a disaster otherwise... |
| 18:33:37 | jhMikeS | I'll put up an initial patch without voice or crossfade first just to evaluate any trouble spots in general |
| 18:33:38 | Llorean | linuxstb: I was thinking in the context of "slideshow with music" which just seems simpler with an audio playlist and jpeg viewer doing its own thing. :) |
| 18:34:13 | linuxstb | My idea just came from the fact that Rockbox already has good playlist capabilities, so why not use them for other filetypes? |
| 18:34:32 | linuxstb | i.e. there is no need to duplicate them in the jpeg viewer itself, or in mpegplayer. |
| 18:34:34 | Curunir | Llorean: ok, i'll try the standard method then |
| 18:35:07 | Curunir | Llorean: one question though.. does the auto update feature work? eg. will the database auto update if I transfer new files using iTunes? |
| 18:35:20 | Slasheri | yes it will |
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| 18:36:11 | markun | Slasheri: but he needs to have dircache and auto-update on for that, right? |
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| 18:36:25 | Llorean | linuxstb: I agree. |
| 18:36:41 | Slasheri | markun: indeed |
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| 18:38:38 | pondlife | Slasheri: You're aware of the dual-core problems in the current build I assume? |
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| 18:39:50 | pondlife | jhMikeS: \o/ Go Go Go |
| 18:40:59 | Slasheri | pondlife: yes i am |
| 18:41:14 | pondlife | Just checking... |
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| 18:41:40 | Slasheri | but i have no idea what is wrong.. and reverting isn't a real solution but might be necessary |
| 18:42:09 | Insectoid | Does anyone see any reason why putting code after gui_syncstatusbar_init(&statusbars); in init() would cause me to be faced with the apple and a frozen player? |
| 18:42:39 | preglow | Slasheri: leaving the builds broken for several days isn't doing us very much good either |
| 18:43:18 | markun | Slasheri: you probably don't have a pp target to track down the problem, right? |
| 18:43:24 | preglow | he has an ipod 5h |
| 18:43:26 | preglow | 5g too! |
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| 18:45:05 | pondlife | Slasheri: Looks like the set_cpy_frequency() loop must be the main change, right? |
| 18:45:22 | pondlife | ie. "while (test_and_set(&boostctrl_mtx.locked, 1)) ;" |
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| 18:49:49 | jhMikeS | pondlife: hehe. just gotta dig in here and get through some initial decisions and it should fly along. |
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| 18:51:00 | Curunir | thanks for the help fella's :) |
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| 18:51:59 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Will you be starting with a new mixer API? A nice, clean low-latency API would be very nice.... |
| 18:52:18 | * | pondlife seems API obsessed today |
| 18:52:51 | pondlife | ...breaking down the playback monolith is goooood. |
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| 18:53:46 | Slasheri | markun: on 5g it's running fine |
| 18:54:08 | jhMikeS | yes, new api...and able to be used now and with any changes to playback later |
| 18:54:12 | Slasheri | pondlife: you mean the major concern? |
| 18:54:36 | Insectoid | Slasheri: Latest? As of yesterday, um 12932 I think I was running, I'd get a freeze after between ten and twenty seconds. |
| 18:54:49 | Insectoid | on a 5g. |
| 18:54:57 | Slasheri | Insectoid: from playback or at what point? |
| 18:55:03 | Insectoid | While scrolling through the menus. |
| 18:55:16 | Slasheri | ok, i will try with a clean build |
| 18:55:39 | Insectoid | I'm now running 12925 sans problems |
| 18:57:08 | jhMikeS | DSP and buffering on the codec output side will be basically one unit, on the file side, it doesn't care |
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| 18:58:10 | pondlife | So you're using the existing codec output - i.e. working on pcmbuf, not playback, right? |
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| 19:01:41 | pondlife | Anyway, time to wander... |
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| 19:02:44 | jhMikeS | pondlife: in essence, yes...but a good thing to have established ahead of time imho. |
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| 19:02:58 | jhMikeS | oops, he left |
| 19:03:48 | Slasheri | oh! |
| 19:03:56 | Slasheri | i had forgot to commit backlight.c |
| 19:04:21 | Slasheri | no wonder if it crashed, queue must be set irq safe there |
| 19:04:23 | H10_007quick | Slasheri: barrywardell some other guy and I all had the problem on our H10, the problem happened when the disk was acessed |
| 19:04:45 | Slasheri | yes, i managed to crash my video too (by reverting all local changes) |
| 19:05:18 | H10_007quick | Slasheri: sometimes would get into menu but once it spun the disk up it crashed, most often it crashed at startup |
| 19:06:55 | Llorean | H10_007quick: It sounds like he's already figured out how to fix it. It was just the missing file |
| 19:07:04 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:07:27 | H10_007quick | Llorean: just putting my two bits in |
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| 19:10:28 | H10_007quick | So noone else is having trouble getting to rockbox.org? |
| 19:11:12 | FOAD | Works fine here. |
| 19:11:32 | H10_007quick | Man, that sucks |
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| 19:11:56 | H10_007quick | Loads everything fine except for rockbox.org |
| 19:12:26 | H10_007quick | I updated firefox to 2.0.0.3 yesturday but it worked fine yesturday too |
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| 19:14:01 | dionoea | howdy. Did rockbox get many SoC applications ? |
| 19:14:10 | GodEater1 | dionoea: 20 so far |
| 19:14:35 | dionoea | ok ... so 20 :) (it's closed since noon GMT) |
| 19:14:53 | GodEater1 | no they extended till the 11th of April |
| 19:15:21 | GodEater1 | no they didn't I'm lying |
| 19:15:23 | GodEater1 | sorry |
| 19:15:48 | dionoea | 11th April is the deadline for projects |
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| 19:17:19 | dionoea | :) |
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| 19:21:04 | Slasheri | a fix has been committed, please try again if PP targets are still crashing |
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| 19:23:58 | H10_007quick | will do |
| 19:24:28 | Slasheri | and without logf |
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| 19:25:16 | H10_007quick | logf? |
| 19:25:33 | Slasheri | if you don't about it, you don't need to worry that :) |
| 19:25:36 | Slasheri | 'know |
| 19:25:38 | Slasheri | + argh |
| 19:25:46 | H10_007quick | sounds good |
| 19:26:12 | H10_007quick | well in a few minuets I will have a report for the H10 5gb target |
| 19:26:26 | Slasheri | great |
| 19:26:36 | Slasheri | i wish a new report for 5G as well |
| 19:26:56 | H10_007quick | Can't help you there |
| 19:27:38 | Slasheri | maybe Insectoid could? :) |
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| 19:36:39 | obo | Slasheri: working ok so far here on a 5G |
| 19:36:45 | Slasheri | obo: nice :) |
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| 19:38:28 | meanderFox | searchin around on teh internet for a while now, but would any of you know if rockbox on teh ipod works with the harmon kardon drive + play? |
| 19:39:03 | nls | meanderFox: it most likely doesn't |
| 19:39:20 | meanderFox | ahh, that sukcs |
| 19:39:22 | meanderFox | sucks* |
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| 19:40:19 | meanderFox | not sure how much you know about the technical aspects, but how different is the serial interface? |
| 19:40:54 | meanderFox | because it uses the ipod itself to play, the controls control it through the serial interface on the dock and it takes the audio out through the dock connector as well |
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| 19:41:42 | nls | well, the dock interface doesn't work at all in rockbox except for the line out, which works :-) |
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| 19:41:49 | ptw419 | hello, I just registrered on the Rockbox wiki and wanted to try to get write permission |
| 19:42:00 | meanderFox | i see |
| 19:42:17 | meanderFox | i guess it would come down to if the serial in worked too then :P |
| 19:42:49 | nls | ptw419: WikiName? |
| 19:42:55 | meanderFox | i really want to use rockbox, but 90% of the time my ipod is in my car connected to that system so if it didnt work itd be troublesome :/ |
| 19:43:23 | ptw419 | JamesEspinoza |
| 19:43:50 | meanderFox | i mean, just the ogg support is enough for me ;-) |
| 19:43:57 | H10_007quick | Slasheri: gonna be a bit longer, all of a sudden I get Fatal Error.....! I'm like "Well I guess that fix didn't work" Then I take a look, "disk full" WHATTTTTT, lol anywyas gotta do it again |
| 19:44:17 | Slasheri | :) |
| 19:44:25 | nls | ptw419: done |
| 19:44:27 | ptw419 | ty |
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| 20:01:21 | meanderFox | if i find one of the old ipod updaters from before they absorbed it into itunes i guess i can just try it, recopying my music over isnt a big deal if i have to reflash it back stock if it doesnt work |
| 20:02:04 | nls | meanderFox: the rockbox manual has uninstallation instructions at the end of the installation chapter |
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| 20:02:38 | H10_007quick | No luck with the fix! I just compiled it from scratch and I am getting the same problems! |
| 20:03:15 | Llorean | Quick poll: I'm setting up presets for a "easy" MPEG encoder. Should I have it default to leaving audio at the source file's bitrate, or should I pick an arbitrary bitrate so that performance is roughly constant (especially on single-core targets)? |
| 20:03:25 | Llorean | H10_007quick: Why didn't you download an official build? |
| 20:03:50 | nls | Llorean: imo bitrates over 128kbit/s is overkill for video |
| 20:03:51 | GodEater | Llorean: the latter |
| 20:04:10 | Llorean | nls: My first choice was "128" for the audio bitrate. |
| 20:04:20 | GodEater | sounds good to me |
| 20:04:27 | Llorean | Unfortunately any files with lower bitrates than that would be increased to 128, since it's a point and click preset. |
| 20:04:27 | nls | for audio streams muxed with video I mean of course |
| 20:04:30 | GodEater | if you'll pardon the awful pun |
| 20:04:34 | Llorean | nls: That's what I assumed. :) |
| 20:04:52 | Llorean | WinFF seems to work very reliably for me in windows (the files all seem to play, and not have strange issues). |
| 20:04:55 | * | GodEater gets his coat |
| 20:05:13 | nls | Llorean: couldn't you just leave it at the source bitrate if it's at 128 or lower? |
| 20:05:16 | Llorean | And I can easily set up a dropdown menu for it where someone can pick "iPod Nano fullscreen" "iPod Nano widescreen" etc |
| 20:05:27 | Llorean | nls: I'm just creating a preset file for an existing tool |
| 20:05:33 | nls | aha |
| 20:05:47 | Llorean | And all the tool really does is pass command-line parameters to ffmpeg. |
| 20:06:43 | Llorean | So the choice is "source bitrate" or "predictable performance of output files" |
| 20:07:07 | nls | Llorean: I'd say force 128 then |
| 20:07:07 | Llorean | I _could_ just do "source bitrate" for all the dual core targets, and "predictable performance" for the single core ones. |
| 20:07:22 | Llorean | Since audio bitrate should affet performance on the dual core targets. |
| 20:07:24 | Llorean | affect |
| 20:07:31 | Llorean | shouldn't |
| 20:07:34 | Llorean | Man, I can't type |
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| 20:08:34 | scorche | at least you arent as bad as i am yet ;) |
| 20:08:38 | meanderFox | well yeah, i mean i know its not a big deal to uninstall, the problem is i wouldnt want to :P |
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| 20:09:15 | H10_007quick | No luck with the fix! I just downloaded an official current build and I am getting the same problems! |
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| 20:10:45 | * | Llorean goes for a single bitrate for audio for now, and will change later maybe. |
| 20:10:51 | Llorean | Because it makes copy and pasting the parameters easy |
| 20:11:04 | Llorean | Alright, anyone with various players have a preferred video bitrate for their player? |
| 20:11:23 | Llorean | H10_007quick: Odd, I thought most people were reporting it working. Does it show the proper SVN revision while booting? |
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| 20:14:04 | H10_007quick | yes it does |
| 20:14:23 | Soul-Slayer | 007, I'll try the latest SVN and see if it works for me |
| 20:14:41 | H10_007quick | 12939 |
| 20:14:55 | Soul-Slayer | I'll just download a bleeding edge from site |
| 20:16:27 | Soul-Slayer | Yup. Frozen |
| 20:16:53 | H10_007quick | Glad I'm not alone |
| 20:17:15 | H10_007quick | Slasheri: problem with H10 |
| 20:17:43 | H10_007quick | your fix didn't work for us |
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| 20:18:47 | Slasheri | hmm.. how about 5G? i no longer can crash it |
| 20:19:25 | Soul-Slayer | Anybody able to test the latest SVN on an ipod? |
| 20:19:37 | H10_007quick | Maybe you did a wrong coment in the code for the H10? |
| 20:19:50 | Slasheri | that's possible |
| 20:21:05 | Soul-Slayer | Let's hope it's that simple :p |
| 20:21:50 | lex | hey, does mpegplayer now play videos with sound? :o |
| 20:21:58 | linuxstb | Llorean: Maybe base your bitrates on the Elephants Dream samples - they were encoded with mpeg2enc which uses a quality setting, not a bitrate, and they were all encoded with the same quality setting. |
| 20:22:05 | linuxstb | lex: It has done for months... |
| 20:22:09 | lex | oh :o |
| 20:22:14 | lex | and no one told me |
| 20:22:30 | lex | does it work too, i mean like i could watch a tv episode with it? |
| 20:22:35 | linuxstb | Yep. |
| 20:22:44 | linuxstb | The only major limitation now is no seeking. |
| 20:22:51 | lex | nice, good job |
| 20:23:08 | linuxstb | What device do you have though? |
| 20:23:22 | lex | 5.5G |
| 20:23:30 | linuxstb | Then I wouldn't bother... |
| 20:23:50 | lex | i could try it, but where's a converted video with sound, elephant's dream or something? :o |
| 20:24:14 | linuxstb | The CPU in the 5.5G can't cope with full-screen videos, and mpegplayer doesn't use any device-specific hardware such as the 5g's video decoder chip. |
| 20:24:28 | lex | yeah, i'm aware of that |
| 20:24:30 | lex | what about photo then |
| 20:24:49 | lex | is it's screen enough small? |
| 20:25:04 | Llorean | linuxstb: I can actually pick a quality setting here, instead of a bitrate. |
| 20:25:10 | linuxstb | The Photo can manage around 20fps full-screen. |
| 20:25:24 | lex | nice |
| 20:25:34 | Llorean | linuxstb: Should I set FPS caps based on devices, or allow it to encode at the source FPS? |
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| 20:26:25 | meanderFox | well, thanks for all the help guys |
| 20:26:27 | meanderFox | cya later |
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| 20:26:39 | Llorean | I've got a very preliminary presets file (width and heights and arbitrary video bitrate per color target, plus a single audio bitrate across all targets) |
| 20:26:42 | Soul-Slayer | linuxstb: On the topic of seeking, how hard would that be to implement do you think? |
| 20:26:54 | linuxstb | Llorean: Ideally you want an upper-cap, but not converting all videos to that framerate - e.g. if the source is 15fps, leave it at that... |
| 20:26:57 | lex | so how could i convert a video for rockbox on windows? with mencoder and cygwin? :p |
| 20:27:07 | linuxstb | lex: Wait for LLorean to tell you... |
| 20:27:13 | lex | oh |
| 20:27:14 | linuxstb | Or see the PluginMpegplayer wiki page |
| 20:27:16 | Llorean | lex: WinFF |
| 20:27:43 | Llorean | lex: Download here: http://biggmatt.com/winff/downloads/winff-version-0.28.html |
| 20:27:58 | linuxstb | Soul-Slayer: There are complications, mainly related to maintaining a/v sync. |
| 20:28:07 | Llorean | And then ask me for a replacement presets.xml to try the work in progress one |
| 20:28:14 | lex | yeah i see |
| 20:28:22 | lex | thanks, i'll try it tomorrow |
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| 20:28:34 | lex | but i prefer watching my videos with my psp, larger screen anyway |
| 20:28:38 | Llorean | lex: Okay, by tomorrow, check the PluginMpegplayer page, I hope to have a .xml there by then |
| 20:28:42 | lex | enough big and enough small |
| 20:28:48 | lex | yeah |
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| 20:30:21 | Llorean | linuxstb: It looks like I can't set a FPS threshold, so I'll just leave fps as whatever the source file is, for now. |
| 20:30:43 | Llorean | linuxstb: There's still a box they can type a new FPS in, even with the presets, so they can pick one of their choosing very easily |
| 20:30:47 | Jimmy79 | hey all.. anyone know a reason why the jpg viewer is only looking at half my pictures, even though they are all the same size and format? |
| 20:31:17 | Llorean | Jimmy79: Did you create the pictures, or are any downloaded. Even if they're all jpeg doesn't mean they're all the same sort of jpeg, and progressive ones aren't supported. |
| 20:31:32 | linuxstb | Llorean: Without analysing the input file, it's impossible to choose the ideal encoding format, so maybe the user will have to do some work... |
| 20:31:59 | Jimmy79 | Admittedly all downloaded. I downloaded a comic book so they are all scanned at the same rez and things. Page 1 or 2 doesn't work.. page 3 does.. page 4 - 8 doesn't.. etc |
| 20:32:04 | nls | Jimmy79: do they have .jpg, .jpeg or .jpeg extensions? it will only find those |
| 20:32:29 | nls | i me3an .jpg, .jpe or .jpeg |
| 20:32:33 | Llorean | linuxstb: In that case, I'll have 4:3 and 16:9 presets that just set set the audio format, sample rate, video width and height. Should I bother to set bitrates for one or both of those as well? |
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| 20:33:27 | linuxstb | Llorean: Maybe the presets should just be recommended defaults - i.e. set them at something we know will work, even if they are not ideal quality, and give users advice on things like matching the FPS to the input file. |
| 20:33:33 | Llorean | linuxstb: Ah, never mind, the ones set in the presets file are safely used as defaults, so the boxes override them just fine. |
| 20:33:38 | Jimmy79 | all same extension.. one sec.. going to give you the exact error |
| 20:34:06 | Jimmy79 | unsupported -4 −−−− is there is a size cap? |
| 20:34:11 | Llorean | linuxstb: I'll leave fps as source, and pick an audio and video bitrate I'm comfortable with (for Nano and Gigabeat) and just guess based on those for the video bitrates for other screen resolutions. |
| 20:34:55 | Llorean | linuxstb: How do you feel about leaving the audio bitrate as source for dual-core targets? I was going to have it a constant 128 for each of the single-core targets so that unless the user changes it, performance should be fairly similar between produced files. |
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| 20:35:12 | nls | Jimmy79: it uses an unsupported dct model |
| 20:36:27 | Jimmy79 | nls: Not knowing what that is - I assume it's an 'accept it' sort of situation :) |
| 20:36:58 | linuxstb | Llorean: Audio bitrate as source for PP targets sounds OK. But I think the FPS for Coldfire targets needs to be fixed at something lower. |
| 20:37:00 | nls | Jimmy79: it's a "resave the files in a supported format or accept it" situation mostly |
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| 20:37:31 | Llorean | linuxstb: What would you suggest a good default FPS value for coldfires then? |
| 20:37:48 | Jimmy79 | All right. Appreciate the help. |
| 20:38:20 | linuxstb | Looking at the ED benchmarks, maybe 10fps for fullscreen and 15fps for widescreen for the H300. |
| 20:39:20 | Llorean | linuxstb: I'll use the same values for X5 for now, and ask for feedback I think. |
| 20:39:27 | linuxstb | For the X5, it looks like maybe 15fps for fullscreen and 24fps (or maybe 23.976) for widescreen. |
| 20:39:47 | Jimmy79 | ok - thanks again guys |
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| 20:41:32 | Llorean | linuxstb: "MPEG1/2 does not support 10fps" |
| 20:43:53 | linuxstb | What about 12 or 15? |
| 20:43:59 | Llorean | 15 doesn't work either |
| 20:44:11 | linuxstb | Is that an error from winFF or ffmpeg itself? |
| 20:44:16 | Llorean | ffmpeg itself |
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| 20:46:14 | linuxstb | OK, I'll investigate... |
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| 20:47:19 | Llorean | I think it's a January '07 build of ffmpeg |
| 20:48:01 | Llorean | Yeah some time in january |
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| 20:53:02 | linuxstb | Hmm... Seems mencoder can do it, but not ffmpeg... |
| 20:53:43 | merbanan | add strict -1 |
| 20:53:48 | Llorean | merbanan: I'll try that |
| 20:54:28 | linuxstb | merbanan: :) |
| 20:54:37 | Llorean | linuxstb: That solved it |
| 20:54:44 | Llorean | I was JUST about to ask about strictness when he said that, too. :) |
| 20:56:42 | Llorean | I'll test a 10fps file made this way on-target in just a few minutes when the encode ends |
| 20:57:00 | Llorean | On-target being simply my gigabeat, though |
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| 20:57:50 | Llorean | I haven't done presets for any of the grayscale targets, as we have nothing resembling performance information for them yet, or anything |
| 20:58:05 | linuxstb | I don't think we have anything resembling performance.... |
| 20:58:16 | Llorean | Well, that too |
| 20:58:46 | Llorean | What about safetydan's idea of playing the videos at 2bbp instead of using grayscale? How bad does that look on the rather bad LCDs anyway? |
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| 20:59:21 | Llorean | linuxstb: What q was elephant's dream made at, by the way? |
| 20:59:24 | linuxstb | It should be relatively easy to implement, but I don't think I want to play with that. Hopefully others will. |
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| 21:00:11 | linuxstb | I _think_ it was "6" |
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| 21:01:09 | lostlogic | :( something seems to be broken, I'm getting behavior that I haven't seen in quite a long while where the playing song gets intermixed with another song which is or was buffered. |
| 21:01:55 | Llorean | lostlogic: Just to double check, we've recently got a couple of those where somehow it's a corrupt file. Try playing it back from your PC? |
| 21:02:21 | Llorean | linuxstb: The bitrates should be able to be much lower for 10fps files than for 30fps(ish) files, right? |
| 21:02:26 | lostlogic | Llorean: when it happens again I'll verify that and bitch again :-D |
| 21:02:54 | Llorean | lostlogic: I imagine you disconnect properly, though, so it seems unlikely. :) |
| 21:03:11 | lostlogic | Llorean: yeah, plus this is a song that's been on my iPod for forever and a day |
| 21:03:26 | lostlogic | hmm, I bet I can just play the song back fine from start now that I've reset the buffer. |
| 21:03:29 | Llorean | linuxstb: Alright, 10fps file plays fine on the player, so it's quite valid. |
| 21:03:40 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, but hard to say by how much. |
| 21:04:00 | Llorean | linuxstb: That's why I was thinking Q might be better than a bitrate, then *I* don't have to tell by how much. :) |
| 21:04:28 | Llorean | I think Q6 is a bit high though |
| 21:06:38 | linuxstb | You can spend a lifetime tweaking ffmpeg's settings... |
| 21:07:01 | Llorean | I may have misread, I don't see a quality setting for ffmpeg after all |
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| 21:07:21 | Llorean | I do have the choice "same quality as source" though |
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| 21:07:45 | linuxstb | Yes, I've just seen that as well. But that's irrelevant to our needs I think. |
| 21:07:47 | Llorean | That seems like it's asking for trouble if someone attempts to encode down high definition content. |
| 21:08:13 | Llorean | Alright, so I'll pick arbitrary bitrates, and ask for feedback on appearance and playback consistency |
| 21:08:51 | lostlogic | Llorean: Newman. I swore this happened earlier too, but this song does appear to be corrupt. my bad. |
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| 21:11:42 | Llorean | linuxstb: I've listed Sansa e200 and iPod Video as separate encode targets despite identical settings to reduce confusion (hopefully) |
| 21:12:31 | linuxstb | You mean ipod Photo/Color ? |
| 21:14:33 | Llorean | Yes |
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| 21:18:08 | linuxstb | Llorean: winff seems fine under Linux - it was just not very tolerant of user error (i.e. me not doing things right)... |
| 21:19:33 | Llorean | linuxstb: Alright. My directions are a bit terse, but it's either that or tell users every click to make. |
| 21:20:05 | linuxstb | So I think we can safely say it's a solution for both Windows and linux users. For Mac OS X, we could like to ffmpegX - http://ffmpegx.com/ |
| 21:20:10 | linuxstb | s/like/link/ |
| 21:20:58 | Llorean | Being SDL based, WinFF might compile on OSX too, I don't really know. |
| 21:21:23 | Llorean | But that looks pretty good too |
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| 21:22:28 | linuxstb | Looking at your presets, maybe you should add strict -1 to all of them - so it will allow transcoding of (for example) 15fps input files to 15fps MPEG2. |
| 21:22:59 | Llorean | linuxstb: Ah, good idea. |
| 21:23:18 | Llorean | Also, problem with mpegplayer: I'm playing back a "10fps" file, with frame limiting enabled, at 15fps |
| 21:23:41 | linuxstb | Hmm... |
| 21:23:56 | * | linuxstb digs into the ffmpeg source |
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| 21:25:37 | perl|work | theres ffmpeg for windows? |
| 21:25:40 | markun | linuxstb: while you are at it, maybe you can find out why it skips frames when transcoding a 24fps file :) |
| 21:26:06 | Llorean | linuxstb: Oh, it may be some problem of mine, the encoding may still not be right. |
| 21:26:20 | markun | I hope it doesn't 'correct' 24fps to 24000/1001 automatically |
| 21:26:47 | Llorean | markun: It does not. |
| 21:27:25 | perl|work | i dont know why people having trouble encoding. vlc worked great for me at 24,25 and 29.97 |
| 21:27:29 | perl|work | all played in sync |
| 21:27:38 | markun | ah sorry, I was talking about mencoder, not ffmpeg.. |
| 21:27:50 | Llorean | perl|work: Yes, but if you don't want to convert 23.976 to 24, then VLC can get all persnickety. |
| 21:28:25 | linuxstb | Llorean: I can't see anything wrong - ffmpeg and libmpeg2 seem to share the same list of unoffiicial framerate codes. |
| 21:28:51 | linuxstb | Seems 5fps is included in both as well... |
| 21:28:57 | markun | well, I had to disable the a/v sync correction with -mc 0 to keep mencoder from dropping frames which made my video play out of sync |
| 21:29:07 | Llorean | linuxstb: Well, I have a program I discovered somewhere that's supposed to give information about mpeg files and claims it's a transport stream |
| 21:29:16 | Llorean | linuxstb: What would mpegplayer even do with a transport stream? |
| 21:29:20 | Slasheri | linuxstb: btw, do you have any issues with the latest svn atm (caused by the scheduler update)? |
| 21:29:22 | linuxstb | Cry. |
| 21:29:31 | Llorean | So, it shouldn't play it at all? |
| 21:29:35 | linuxstb | Slasheri: I haven't tried it yet. Let me install a build now. |
| 21:29:44 | Llorean | It's some random program I found somewhere, so I'm not really sure I trust it. |
| 21:30:00 | Slasheri | linuxstb: great, i hope it has fixed the problems. But it seems other ipods than ipod video might still have some problems |
| 21:30:10 | linuxstb | Llorean: No, it won't find any valid program stream packets, so should give up. |
| 21:30:23 | Soul-Slayer | Slasheri: I still get the lockups on my H10 |
| 21:30:28 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Compiling SVN for my Ipod Color now... |
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| 21:31:14 | linuxstb | Slasheri: BTW, do you get issues with USB detection on your 5g? |
| 21:31:55 | linuxstb | Soul-Slayer: You mentioned last night that you get audio distortions with mpegplayer - is that all of your files, or just some? |
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| 21:32:27 | Llorean | linuxstb: Once more it's a case of "the video plays fine on my computer, not my gigabeat", and everything else seems to think it's 10fps |
| 21:32:58 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Freezes on the Rockbox logo... |
| 21:33:33 | Soul-Slayer | linuxstb: All video files, even the elephants dream file I got from the site. |
| 21:33:44 | linuxstb | Llorean: Can you upload it somewhere? |
| 21:33:59 | linuxstb | Soul-Slayer: Do you have any patches applied, or are you using a clean SVN? |
| 21:34:04 | Soul-Slayer | Clean SVN. |
| 21:34:12 | perl|work | linuxstb when you have "skip frames OFF" and play a video at 29.97 its out of sync. then if you go into the menu and enable the skip frames option the video "syncs itself". im just talking loud here, but could something related to that process happend during sync after seeking as well? |
| 21:35:06 | linuxstb | The problem after seeking is that mpegplayer doesn't know how wrong the PTS values are. It keeps track of that as it decodes the audio. |
| 21:35:58 | perl|work | so it always needs to do it from the very beginning? |
| 21:36:09 | pixelma | Slasheri: when will you commit the ~1000 (IIRC) bytes save - meaning ifdef the scroll code additions for targets that don't need it? |
| 21:36:35 | linuxstb | perl|work: That's how it currently works, yes. |
| 21:37:20 | linuxstb | Soul-Slayer: And you're using the latest mpegplayer? There was an audio fix a couple of days ago. |
| 21:38:10 | Soul-Slayer | linuxstb: Latest SVN with Slasheri's commits reverted |
| 21:38:30 | linuxstb | Then I've no idea - no-one has reported that problem on other targets. |
| 21:38:38 | Soul-Slayer | Hm. |
| 21:38:49 | Soul-Slayer | I never had the problem before the A/V syncs |
| 21:38:56 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Have you tried mpegplayer on the H10? |
| 21:39:10 | Soul-Slayer | And other people I believe have reported distortions on the H10 on the misticriver site |
| 21:39:30 | linuxstb | That's helpful of them :) |
| 21:39:35 | Soul-Slayer | Lol |
| 21:39:42 | Soul-Slayer | "Anyone else getting harsh clippings/distortions in the highs/trebles with mpegplayer's update?" |
| 21:40:32 | Soul-Slayer | It was posted in the wrong topic however, so it didn't get any further than that, but it proves that it's not only me getting the problem |
| 21:40:54 | Llorean | Soul-Slayer: How long ago was it posted? |
| 21:41:01 | perl|work | linuxstb is there a way to calculate pts volumes beforehand and than use that temporal reference? |
| 21:41:02 | Soul-Slayer | 25th March. |
| 21:41:08 | Soul-Slayer | I know there was an update since then |
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| 21:41:12 | Soul-Slayer | But I get the problem before and after |
| 21:41:20 | linuxstb | The commit that should have fixed that was made on 22nd... |
| 21:42:07 | Soul-Slayer | I only got the problems after A/V syncs were made, when it was out of sync there were no distortions in sound, but obviously it was out of sync |
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| 21:42:31 | linuxstb | perl|work: The issue is that the PTS seems inaccurate, and needs to be adjusted based on actual audio in the stream. The only way to find out how much actual audio there is is to parse the entire fire from beginning to end. |
| 21:42:47 | Slasheri | linuxstb: i have had issues with usb a long time already, had to use disk mode |
| 21:43:17 | Slasheri | linuxstb: hmm, and 5g didn't work either? i am running out of ideas what is wrong.. |
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| 21:43:44 | Slasheri | pixelma: when i have time |
| 21:44:14 | Slasheri | pixelma: you are welcome to do that as well |
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| 21:55:10 | perl|work | linuxstb how about getting the last PTS to determine the length of the file? |
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| 21:55:56 | linuxstb | perl|work: Yes, but the problem is that isn't the real length - it seems that in some files last_pts-first_pts != audio duration. That's the problem. |
| 21:56:04 | H10_007quick | Any news about getting the H10 port fixed? |
| 21:56:26 | linuxstb | Slasheri: I haven't tried the 5g. |
| 21:56:28 | Llorean | Slasheri: Which targets are having problems? H10 and 4G iPod? |
| 21:56:40 | Slasheri | linuxstb: please try with 5g if possible |
| 21:57:07 | Slasheri | Llorean: not sure because i have only 5g and h140, but it seems those might have issues |
| 21:57:34 | Slasheri | for me 5g is running fine |
| 21:57:35 | perl|work | linuxstb aha |
| 21:57:38 | Llorean | Slasheri: If it's just the H10, the 4G iPod, and the Mini 1G, it would most likely just be the usual frequency scaling problem, worsening this time instead of being somewhat better than usual. |
| 21:57:46 | linuxstb | I'm just building for my ipod color with cpu frequency scaling enabled - see if that's come back... |
| 21:57:51 | Llorean | 4G iPod meaning grayscale and color. |
| 21:57:57 | linuxstb | s/enabled/disabled/ |
| 21:57:59 | Slasheri | Llorean: oh, that might explain it |
| 21:58:25 | linuxstb | But I thought cpu frequency scaling wasn't enabled on the H10 anyway. |
| 21:58:34 | Llorean | linuxstb: I PMed you a URL which is the file that plays at 10fps on my computer and 15 in mpegplayer |
| 21:58:35 | Slasheri | Llorean: and now even cop is allowed to change frequency (but atm nothing should do that) |
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| 22:00:43 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Disabling cpu frequency scaling didn't help at all... |
| 22:00:44 | perl|work | linuxstb i guess creating any sort of indexes is out of the question too |
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| 22:00:59 | Slasheri | linuxstb: when does it hang? |
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| 22:01:36 | Slasheri | linuxstb: and is backlight still working after it has hanged? |
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| 22:01:54 | linuxstb | perl|work: I think the solution might be to run any files that have this problem through a "fix" utility to correct the PTS. But I'ld like to understand if these files are compliant or not, and if there is a way to encode them better. |
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| 22:02:27 | linuxstb | Slasheri: It freezes on the logo, sometimes with a splash saying "Filetype string buffer empty" (which I've been getting for a while), sometimes without that splash. |
| 22:02:43 | linuxstb | Slasheri: And the backlight is stuck on. |
| 22:03:01 | linuxstb | Ah no, second boot it went to the file browser, and stuck there... |
| 22:03:04 | Slasheri | oh, then it has crashed completely |
| 22:03:15 | Slasheri | hmm, weird |
| 22:03:24 | linuxstb | Next boot - Rockbox logo, no splash... |
| 22:03:55 | Slasheri | linuxstb: try undefining lock_cores and unlock_cores from thread.h and see if that helps |
| 22:04:01 | linuxstb | ^I meant main menu, not file browser |
| 22:04:01 | shoepainter | I'm excited to see Rockbox's support for Toshiba's C60 |
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| 22:05:00 | perl|work | c60? |
| 22:06:08 | linuxstb | shoepainter: Do you mean either f60 or x60? |
| 22:06:36 | linuxstb | Slasheri: OK. |
| 22:06:57 | shoepainter | no c60 u guy dont suppot it yet |
| 22:06:59 | Slasheri | linuxstb: if the COP is having some issues, that should help |
| 22:07:54 | perl|work | linuxstb i remember trying to get some h.264 encodes from different sources to sync. somehow only quick time pro produced synced results out of all encoders. its hit and miss all the time. |
| 22:07:58 | Llorean | shoepainter: Nope |
| 22:08:14 | perl|work | _very much_ depends on the sources |
| 22:08:39 | perl|work | i mean it would be hard to predict/test all outcomes |
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| 22:11:16 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Yes, that seems to fix it. |
| 22:11:18 | Slasheri | linuxstb: btw, do you know if there are other threads running on 4g than 5g? |
| 22:11:32 | linuxstb | I can't think of any. |
| 22:11:38 | Slasheri | linuxstb: good, probably that should be temporarly committed for those targets |
| 22:11:51 | linuxstb | You also need to change thread.c |
| 22:11:59 | linuxstb | (the part that defines the functions) |
| 22:12:01 | shoepainter | i woulod love 2 see suport for the iaudiio m3 |
| 22:12:25 | Slasheri | if COP isn't working correctly or non irq-safe queues are written from an isr, it will crash for sure |
| 22:12:29 | shoepainter | that woul be tight |
| 22:12:29 | Llorean | shoepainter: Ports happen when people who own the players work on it. |
| 22:12:32 | Slasheri | linuxstb: ah, true |
| 22:13:27 | shoepainter | hopfully someone else owns an m3 and toshiba c60 |
| 22:13:42 | saratoga | shoepainter: I believe teh c60 does not exist |
| 22:14:02 | nls | making a port pretty difficult ;-) |
| 22:14:15 | perl|work | hehe |
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| 22:15:38 | shoepainter | i mean s60 |
| 22:15:53 | Llorean | Well, that's not supported either |
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| 22:18:18 | Jugdish | will installing rockbox on my ipod void the warranty, should it ever become damaged and need to be sent in for repair/replacement? |
| 22:18:28 | Llorean | Jugdish: Probably, yes. |
| 22:18:51 | Jugdish | shame |
| 22:18:56 | TrueJournals | Hey, I'm having problems with mpegplayer in the latest version of rockbox... |
| 22:19:03 | Llorean | Jugdish: Most embedded hardware warranties forbid the running of unofficial software on the hardware. |
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| 22:19:22 | TrueJournals | I click a movie to play it and the screen will just show my background image and it's frozen |
| 22:19:34 | Llorean | TrueJournals: Does the movie play on your PC? |
| 22:19:46 | TrueJournals | yes, and I've played the movie with previous versions |
| 22:19:53 | pixelma | TrueJournals: IIRC you have an H10? |
| 22:20:00 | TrueJournals | correct |
| 22:20:06 | H10_007quick | H10 is having issues right now |
| 22:20:17 | TrueJournals | darn it :-p |
| 22:20:29 | H10_007quick | with any build after like 2 days ago |
| 22:20:50 | TrueJournals | ouch |
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| 22:21:09 | TrueJournals | Well, at least it's not just me... |
| 22:21:09 | shoepainter | can i reuplode the origanal firmware without them knowing |
| 22:21:20 | H10_007quick | you should be able to make the player freze by just accessing the disk |
| 22:21:28 | TrueJournals | sometimes, sometimes not |
| 22:21:41 | H10_007quick | which build are you using? |
| 22:21:47 | TrueJournals | latest SVN |
| 22:21:50 | H10_007quick | angry's? |
| 22:21:53 | H10_007quick | oh |
| 22:22:03 | Llorean | shoepainter: Please don't ask about attempting illegal activities. |
| 22:22:12 | H10_007quick | do you have a 5gb or 20gb? |
| 22:22:18 | TrueJournals | 20 |
| 22:22:21 | H10_007quick | ah |
| 22:22:27 | H10_007quick | I have a 5gb |
| 22:22:35 | Slasheri | linuxstb: out of curiosity, please try also uncommenting lock_cores and unlock_cores from mutex_unlock (kernel.c) |
| 22:22:47 | Slasheri | if that fixed anything, then it means that mutexes are used wrong |
| 22:22:48 | ment | shoepainter: If you brick your mp3 mplayer, there's probably no way doing so |
| 22:23:06 | Slasheri | linuxstb: (and enabling those defines in thread.[ch] of course) |
| 22:23:07 | linuxstb | Slasheri: You mean re-enable them in thread.[ch], and then remove from kernel.c? |
| 22:23:08 | H10_007quick | TrueJournals: So your player only crashes sometimes? |
| 22:23:12 | Slasheri | yes |
| 22:23:18 | Slasheri | only from that one function in kernel.c |
| 22:23:26 | shoepainter | brick? |
| 22:23:34 | TrueJournals | H10_007quick: Well, it seems that I can use it for a little bit, then it crashes |
| 22:23:39 | shoepainter | whats brick m\ean? |
| 22:23:43 | TrueJournals | little bit = like 10 seconds |
| 22:23:44 | Slasheri | ups, i meant commenting of course.. not uncommenting :) |
| 22:23:44 | saratoga | brick means break without being able to fix |
| 22:24:06 | H10_007quick | TrueJournals: good that is what every1 is having |
| 22:24:24 | TrueJournals | well, good in a strange sort of way ;-) |
| 22:24:30 | H10_007quick | true |
| 22:24:57 | H10_007quick | well if yours worked then I would say that we have a lot of bricked players lol |
| 22:25:00 | linuxstb | Slasheri: No, it still freezes. |
| 22:25:05 | TrueJournals | has anyone figured out when it actually broke? (What commit)? |
| 22:25:11 | H10_007quick | yes |
| 22:25:16 | H10_007quick | just a sec |
| 22:25:18 | TrueJournals | ok |
| 22:25:19 | Llorean | H10_007quick: "Brick" means it CAN'T be fixed. |
| 22:25:21 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Same place as before on my first boot - the logo screen. |
| 22:25:24 | Soul-Slayer | Yeah. Me 007 and Barry spent ages last night |
| 22:25:24 | Slasheri | linuxstb: ok, good. then it's something other |
| 22:25:33 | H10_007quick | 26 Mar 16:55 |
| 22:25:34 | Soul-Slayer | It's commits 12926 - 12928 |
| 22:25:38 | H10_007quick | that was the date |
| 22:25:38 | Llorean | H10_007quick: Please respect that definition of it when talking in official Rockbox areas. |
| 22:26:03 | H10_007quick | Llorean: that is what I was refering to |
| 22:26:20 | Soul-Slayer | Well, not really, my player works fine, just not with latest SVN, ergo, it's not bricked :p. |
| 22:26:30 | Llorean | H10_007quick: If his player worked, and you could go back to old builds and they worked, how on Earth would you think anything is bricked? |
| 22:26:38 | H10_007quick | Llorean: I was making a joke |
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| 22:27:18 | H10_007quick | Llorean: there is like no way to brick an H10 execpt to smash it |
| 22:27:25 | Soul-Slayer | TrueJournals: You can run the latest SVN if you revert patches 12926 - 12928 |
| 22:27:26 | Llorean | H10_007quick: Yes, but new people don't know that. |
| 22:27:36 | Llorean | H10_007quick: The problem is that *any* time the word brick comes up, it can frighten potential new users. |
| 22:27:43 | TrueJournals | Soul-Slayer: I think that's what I'm going to try and do... |
| 22:27:45 | Soul-Slayer | You can break it without physical damage. |
| 22:27:46 | shoepainter | who here owns one of the first harddrive mp3 players the creative Nomad 6gb |
| 22:27:47 | linuxstb | H10_007quick: Are you sure about that? Want to test this little program I've got? |
| 22:28:04 | Soul-Slayer | If you override the flash bootloader on the H10, you've bricked your player. |
| 22:28:10 | H10_007quick | Llorean: Ok, I will refrain from using "vulgur" language here |
| 22:28:11 | Soul-Slayer | (With a corrupt bootloader anyhow). |
| 22:28:20 | Llorean | shoepainter: There's no Nomad port. |
| 22:28:24 | H10_007quick | still fixable |
| 22:28:44 | TrueJournals | Is there any way to download a patch file of all the differences from one revision? |
| 22:28:48 | Soul-Slayer | You cannot fix it if you overwrite the flash bootloader, without getting an RMA. |
| 22:29:09 | linuxstb | TrueJournals: With svn - e.g. "svn -r rev1:rev2 > file.diff" |
| 22:29:11 | Llorean | H10_007quick: That requires specialist hardware, so it's not "fixable" for a 'user' |
| 22:29:12 | Soul-Slayer | svn -r 12926:12928 < patch.diff |
| 22:29:12 | Soul-Slayer | If I remember rightly |
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| 22:29:31 | Soul-Slayer | Oh, sorry |
| 22:29:33 | TrueJournals | cool, thanks |
| 22:29:35 | Soul-Slayer | >, not < |
| 22:29:39 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I'm thinking about how to hide all the pictures of a conditional... how does this idea sound: an array with for each image the corresponding conditional index if it is in one ? |
| 22:29:55 | XavierGr | linuxstb: "Filetype string buffer empty" is cause by too many viewer plugins in viewers.config. That problem appeared after the mpegplayer activation on greyscale targets, probably the read buffer for viewers.config must be set higher |
| 22:29:56 | Soul-Slayer | Then simply patch -p0 -R < patch.diff and you're away :p. |
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| 22:30:15 | H10_007quick | Ok so just for the record: The only way that one could "brick" an H10 is to write a flash bootloader to it, which rockbox in no way requires doing! |
| 22:30:23 | Nico_P | when I want to evalueate a conditional I can check that array to see if there are any images in it |
| 22:30:25 | linuxstb | XavierGr: I've had it for a while on my ipod, but I've never got around to investigating it... |
| 22:30:29 | Slasheri | linuxstb: hmm, do you have car adapter mode enabled or auto resume? |
| 22:30:35 | linuxstb | Slasheri: No. |
| 22:30:38 | H10_007quick | Just so that when everyone reads this they don't get scared |
| 22:30:39 | Soul-Slayer | Correct 007 :p./ |
| 22:30:42 | Nico_P | XavierGr: it also appears on the H300 sim |
| 22:30:53 | XavierGr | hmm |
| 22:30:54 | Slasheri | hmm, then it isn't that either :/ |
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| 22:31:54 | Slasheri | linuxstb: does mpegplayer work on cop with those "bad" targets? |
| 22:32:17 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 22:32:26 | linuxstb | I developed it on my Photo. |
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| 22:34:35 | Slasheri | linuxstb: if you have much time, it would be useful to find out which lock_cores call causes it to crash. I can't do more today, but i will make a commit to disable that locking for now |
| 22:34:53 | saratoga | i really don't get ebay sansa pricing |
| 22:35:01 | saratoga | they're more expensive then Amazon |
| 22:35:47 | linuxstb | Slasheri: I can't now, I need to try and do some real work |
| 22:35:54 | Slasheri | same too |
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| 22:37:32 | barrywardell | linuxstb: you want me to test something with mpegplayer? |
| 22:37:51 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Soul-Slayer is reporting audio distortion with anything he plays on his H10 |
| 22:38:26 | linuxstb | But it seems others have reported it at misticriver, so I don't think it needs more confirmation. |
| 22:39:17 | saratoga | how fast is the mpeg2 implementation in rockbox? |
| 22:39:27 | barrywardell | ok, i'll try with elephant's dream now... |
| 22:39:27 | saratoga | is there still a lot of room for improvement performance wise? |
| 22:41:31 | linuxstb | Soul-Slayer: Do you have a link to those misticriver comments? |
| 22:41:37 | Soul-Slayer | Hold. |
| 22:42:16 | linuxstb | saratoga: Yes, I'm sure there is. More so for Coldfire targets, as they can benefit from the EMAC and IRAM, neither of which are being used. |
| 22:42:43 | H10_007quick | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=46843&page=51 |
| 22:42:52 | H10_007quick | that should have it |
| 22:42:59 | Soul-Slayer | Not particularly informative, just mention that there are distortions. |
| 22:43:02 | Soul-Slayer | Yeah. That is it. |
| 22:43:13 | linuxstb | Ah of course, a thread entitled "Reload this Page Get Rockbox with Album Art here 5G/6G !!!!" - why didn't I find it? :) |
| 22:43:27 | lowlight | Quick fix for someone: root_menu.c line 174, remove the / after the %s. It makes the browser display "Files" instead of "plugins" when "Show current directory" |
| 22:43:32 | lowlight | is enabled |
| 22:43:35 | H10_007quick | about half way down the page |
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| 22:44:56 | Moos | lowlight: didn't you have svn account? :) |
| 22:44:59 | lowlight | ^ I should say currently it displays "Files" instead of "plugins" |
| 22:45:12 | lowlight | yes...but I'm "working" |
| 22:45:22 | Moos | just joking.. |
| 22:45:39 | barrywardell | linuxstb: yep, I get distortion |
| 22:45:43 | Llorean | H10_007quick: When was the last time that build had been updated when that post was made though? |
| 22:46:09 | Soap | barrywardell: just a little reminder (no pressure) about iPod battery curve like the pretty one Sansa got. ;) |
| 22:46:11 | Soul-Slayer | Llorean: The build is irrelevant, it was talking about the SVN release. GOD knows why the posts are there though. |
| 22:46:26 | Soul-Slayer | And barry is getting distortions even now, so that pretty much affirms it |
| 22:46:36 | H10_007quick | Llorean: it is irrelevent as I too experience distortion from the newest svn possible |
| 22:46:46 | H10_007quick | lol |
| 22:46:49 | H10_007quick | bashed |
| 22:46:55 | Llorean | H10_007quick: What's relevant is "when exactly the problem started" |
| 22:47:03 | Llorean | So yes, it is relevant. |
| 22:47:03 | Soap | it is not irrelevent as there can be two problems. |
| 22:47:05 | H10_007quick | I see |
| 22:47:31 | barrywardell | Soap: I haven't forgotten :) Is the battery reading on the iPod really badly off? |
| 22:47:43 | Soap | yea. |
| 22:48:02 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I did experience that on my ipod at one stage, but then it sort-of fixed itself (moving two variables out of iram fixed it...). I've got no immediate ideas what the real issue is... |
| 22:48:41 | Soul-Slayer | Llorean: Before any A/V syncs were made, the sound quality was as expected. It was the commit which put the A/V into sync which made sound quality distorted |
| 22:48:42 | barrywardell | would it help if I provided a recording? I can do that when I get home in about an hour or 2 |
| 22:49:02 | Soap | or, barrywardell, how do you calculate the scale factor, and are the eleven voltage numbers 0%, 10%, 20% ....100%? |
| 22:49:05 | Llorean | Soul-Slayer: The first A/V sync commit? |
| 22:49:11 | Soul-Slayer | I'll find it, hold |
| 22:49:31 | barrywardell | Soap: yeah, the voltage numbers correspond to percentages like you say |
| 22:49:44 | linuxstb | barrywardell: That could be useful - just to confirm it's the same kind of distortion I experienced at one point on the ipod |
| 22:50:04 | Soul-Slayer | Revision 12884, 22 Mar |
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| 22:50:40 | Llorean | Soul-Slayer: So you tried 12883 and it worked, 12884 and it didn't? |
| 22:50:56 | Soul-Slayer | I'll boot into linux in a sec and make a build of 12883 |
| 22:51:04 | Llorean | An 884? |
| 22:51:05 | barrywardell | Soap: do you have a value from the ADC and a corresponding measured voltage? |
| 22:51:06 | Soul-Slayer | Easiest way to make sure |
| 22:51:08 | Soul-Slayer | And 884, yes |
| 22:51:38 | Llorean | It's just that I've seen some strange things crop up from seemingly unrelated changes. ;) |
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| 22:51:46 | Soap | barrywardell: I do not - only the ADC i believe (what is measured in battery bench is the ADC correct?) |
| 22:51:58 | barrywardell | Soap: IIRC, below battery_level_dangerous disk writes are not done, at battery_level_shutoff Rockbox will shut down |
| 22:52:14 | Soul-Slayer | Well, true, I will check shortly. |
| 22:52:33 | barrywardell | What is measured in battery_bench is a value from the ADC converted by the scale factor |
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| 22:53:07 | Soap | I need to look again, I was thinking there wasn't any set for the iPod at all. |
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| 22:56:44 | barrywardell | Soap: the values don't seem to be too far off - what iPod do you have? |
| 22:59:11 | Bagder | the weekend may 19-20 seems to be a serious candidate for devcon 2007 |
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| 23:00:11 | H10_007quick | TrueJournals: Current svn has a fix now just so that you know |
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| 23:02:02 | Llorean | linuxstb: One last thing. When mpegplayer reaches the end of one of my files, instead of exiting it continues playing from somewhere a bit earlier in the file. I've only seen this on one file so far. I'll poke more at that one later. |
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| 23:02:17 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, I've experienced that... |
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| 23:05:39 | XavierGr | apps/filetypes.c line 59, make the #define STRING_BUFFER_SIZE larger fixes the problem with the filetype string buffer empty splash |
| 23:06:19 | XavierGr | if anyone can commit (and probably verify that I am right, works for my H100) |
| 23:07:12 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:07:59 | Soap | barrywardell: video. |
| 23:09:06 | Soul-Slayer | Does anyone know what the problem could be with my WPS occasionally displaying 'Save failed. No partition?' when I change tracks or something? Also all BMPs on the WPS turn into pink squares... Can cure it by hitting back, then going back into the WPS |
| 23:09:41 | barrywardell | Soap: are you referring to the actual percentages being reported wrong? |
| 23:09:47 | Soap | correct. |
| 23:10:01 | Soap | no no no |
| 23:10:05 | Soap | I need to sleep |
| 23:10:12 | Soap | I was refering to the length of time. |
| 23:10:19 | perl|work | oh well i just noticed the new gigabeat U has a built in FM receiver and transmitter, quite genius. too bad noone will notice. |
| 23:10:40 | barrywardell | Soap: ah, ok. My sansa commit didn't fix that yet either |
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| 23:11:35 | Moos | Soul-Slayer: I did few times, but rarely, and didn't found how to reproduce it |
| 23:11:49 | Soul-Slayer | Exactly the same here. |
| 23:11:56 | Soul-Slayer | Which player do you have? |
| 23:12:01 | Moos | X5 |
| 23:12:19 | Moos | did you know how toreproduce it? |
| 23:12:24 | Soap | see, I do need to sleep. All this running around and I was confused about the commit from the get go. |
| 23:12:34 | barrywardell | Soap: for runtime estimation, the current code uses current values in various situations |
| 23:12:43 | Soap | I was making the faulty assumption percentage times scale factor = time remaining. |
| 23:12:46 | barrywardell | Soap: OK, get some sleep ;) |
| 23:12:48 | Soul-Slayer | No, I have no idea how to reproduce it, it just randomly happens... Really odd... |
| 23:13:08 | Soul-Slayer | Same as Data Aborts, except they force me to restart my player entirely... Yet I have no idea how to reproduce them |
| 23:13:18 | Moos | but IIRC just change screen and that all, i.e file browser... |
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| 23:13:27 | Soul-Slayer | Exactly |
| 23:13:39 | Kalthare | What's the most recent daily snapshot that's stable on the iPod Video? |
| 23:13:53 | Soul-Slayer | It seemed to be when I changed track or something... Perhaps an error in writing the playlistcontrol? |
| 23:14:01 | Soul-Slayer | Kalthare, get the latest bleeding edge build |
| 23:14:19 | Soul-Slayer | A commit was just put on a while ago to fix all PP builds, such as iPods |
| 23:14:20 | Kalthare | Soul-Slayer: Ah, it's been fixed? |
| 23:14:26 | Kalthare | Okay, cool. Thanks. |
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| 23:32:38 | pixelma | btw... that last commit caused some yellow |
| 23:32:55 | H10_007quick | he knows |
| 23:33:02 | H10_007quick | just a temporary fix |
| 23:33:08 | pixelma | yes I know |
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| 23:47:34 | Curunir | I'm experiencing a major problem with my 5g 60 gig iPod; no matter what I try, the tagcache database won't display when I try to open it |
| 23:47:49 | bluebrother | do you get an error message? |
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| 23:48:37 | Curunir | nope, just a "blank" screen.. the interface and background still show but no further information |
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| 23:49:53 | Curunir | I initially converted my iTunesDB, and thought that might be the problem.. but even when Rockbox itself builds a database this happens |
| 23:50:27 | nls | Curunir: have you modified your tagnavi.config file? |
| 23:51:13 | Curunir | nls: I don't think so, at least not manually.. but maybe changing database settings in the settings menu may change it? |
| 23:51:57 | nls | Curunir: no, it shouldn't, can you check that the file is present in your .rockbox directory? |
| 23:52:34 | Curunir | it wasnt |
| 23:52:36 | bluebrother | so you're not experiencing a crash when trying to use the database, right? |
| 23:52:48 | Curunir | bluebrother: thats right, I just dont see anything |
| 23:53:10 | bluebrother | tagnavi.config isn't present? That's strange |
| 23:53:10 | nls | Curunir: if the file is missing, do an update, and it should be back |
| 23:53:14 | Curunir | nls: I'm changing to Jbuild now, so now its here |
| 23:53:40 | Curunir | nls: but otherwise just the *tcd files were there |
| 23:53:47 | nls | you weren't using an official build? |
| 23:54:22 | bluebrother | Curunir: tagnavi.config tells database how to display the data. I don't know how it reacts if that file is missing |
| 23:54:45 | bluebrother | but it isn't surprising to act in an unexperienced way ;-) |
| 23:54:46 | Curunir | nls: I was using the EvilG build.. and then Senab |
| 23:55:00 | bluebrother | and please keep in mind that only the official build is supported |
| 23:55:02 | Curunir | nls: but with Jbuild it seems to work now |
| 23:55:25 | Curunir | bluebrother: isnt that file generated automatically? |
| 23:55:33 | bluebrother | Curunir: no. |
| 23:55:51 | bluebrother | the *.tcd files are but not tagnavi.config, that is part of the installation |
| 23:56:30 | * | amiconn just loaded russian.lng on his player - and it's readable :D |
| 23:56:30 | nls | Curunir: the reason that we don't support these builds is that we know nothing about them and have no control over them, the tagnavi.config file is customizable and it is possible that some unofficial builds omit it to avoid overwriting the user's custom one |
| 23:56:51 | nls | readable - if you know russian ;-) |
| 23:57:09 | Curunir | nls: so the Jbuild is no supported either? :) |
| 23:57:21 | nls | not by us, no |
| 23:57:54 | bluebrother | amiconn: I just noticed the player sim flickering when moving the selection. Any idea about this? |
| 23:58:14 | amiconn | The player sim flickers like hell, because the code redraws like hell |
| 23:58:38 | amiconn | This will change when I'll introduce 'proper' lcd_update() for charcell |
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