| 00:00:24 | bluebrother | Curunir: there is information in the wiki and forum about this |
| 00:00:30 | Soul-Slayer | There's a guide on the wiki or the manual on how to use the tagnavi |
| 00:00:48 | bluebrother | but usually it would be better to create a new one called tagnavi_custom.config |
| 00:01:01 | bluebrother | as that won't get overwritten when installing a new build |
| 00:01:08 | Curunir | ahh |
| 00:01:18 | Curunir | soul-slayer: where in the wiki can I find it? |
| 00:01:28 | bluebrother | the DataBase page |
| 00:01:39 | bluebrother | (surr |
| 00:01:47 | bluebrother | hmpf. |
| 00:04:13 | saratoga | we really need to bother people to update the AMS wiki page |
| 00:04:27 | saratoga | they gave us a fair amount of help, and we don't even mention it |
| 00:04:59 | Moos | just the "normal" documentation ;) |
| 00:05:42 | bluebrother | depends on how much "help" you consider what they did. |
| 00:06:14 | bluebrother | quite some people thing releasing data sheet should be done by every company and isn't any kind of active help |
| 00:06:27 | Moos | amen |
| 00:06:56 | linuxstb | saratoga: They've given us very little to compared to all the other companies who make all their datasheets available for download on their website as a matter of policy.... |
| 00:07:32 | saratoga | didn't they hand out dev boards? |
| 00:07:34 | linuxstb | saratoga: And it's been commented that they even made us go to their offices and pick them up... |
| 00:07:49 | bluebrother | of course someone could add information about the process and leave the distinguision to the reader |
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| 00:18:16 | sbeh | Build expected to complete around 22:21:20 (in 7mins 24secs) |
| 00:18:19 | sbeh | thats cool |
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| 00:18:42 | Kalthare | Let me see if I understand the situation with MIDI on the iPod right. The midi plugin renders at 22.05kHz, and the iPod needs 44.1kHz? |
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| 00:24:31 | Curunir | thanks guys |
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| 00:26:40 | H10_007quick | Question: If some of the targets always have red (errors) how do people use them? |
| 00:27:29 | linuxstb | H10_007quick: They're not completely red - only "rombox" (Rockbox running from flash ROM) is broken on those targets. Normal Rockbox loaded from disk is fine. |
| 00:27:42 | Kalthare | ...Actually, now the midi plugin data-aborts at startup. Okay, never mind then. |
| 00:28:05 | linuxstb | Kaltare: It shouldn't do that... |
| 00:28:11 | H10_007quick | Oh, but it shows at the bottom that it didn't make the build |
| 00:29:08 | H10_007quick | make[1]: Target `all' not remade because of errors. |
| 00:29:09 | H10_007quick | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 00:29:11 | H10_007quick | That is what it shows at the end: leads me to belevie that it was a failed build |
| 00:29:23 | linuxstb | Yes, parts failed... |
| 00:29:47 | H10_007quick | So is a build still made even with errors? |
| 00:29:52 | bluebrother | if a build fails it won't be useable |
| 00:30:08 | H10_007quick | that is what I thought |
| 00:30:12 | bluebrother | so users will have to wait for someone to fix it or use an archived build |
| 00:30:26 | Kalthare | linuxstb: whenever I try to play a midi on the build I just did, I get "Data abort at 0004FC4C". |
| 00:30:29 | Soul-Slayer | Or make it ignoring errors. |
| 00:30:35 | H10_007quick | but some of the targets always have the same error |
| 00:30:43 | Soul-Slayer | And aslong as you aren't using a part of it that errors, you're okay |
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| 00:31:05 | H10_007quick | Ah... so they have it set to ignore that part... I see |
| 00:31:34 | Soul-Slayer | For instance, a codec used to cause a red build on the H10... When I built it with something like make -x (I don't remember the exact switch)... It functioned fine, and as I didn't need the codec, it never made a problem |
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| 00:32:21 | H10_007quick | I see |
| 00:32:31 | bluebrother | make -k |
| 00:33:26 | H10_007quick | make -i? |
| 00:33:45 | Soul-Slayer | Something like that |
| 00:33:51 | Soul-Slayer | The switch that ignores errors |
| 00:33:55 | H10_007quick | I see |
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| 00:38:10 | nls | anyway the make file for the archos taegrets is made so that the regular rockbox binary is made before the rombox one so when it errors out in rombox, regular rockbox has already been built, now sleep |
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| 00:39:30 | H10_007quick | Most of you must be from europe Its only 3:30 here |
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| 00:39:50 | t0mas | hi! :D |
| 00:39:57 | bluebrother | hi t0mas |
| 00:40:13 | t0mas | finally gotten back to rockbox :) |
| 00:40:19 | bluebrother | nice :) |
| 00:40:43 | t0mas | just installed it on my ipod nano.. improved a lot from the point where I left :) |
| 00:41:00 | t0mas | looks way better than a year ago on my iriver :) |
| 00:41:52 | bluebrother | it still looks great on my iriver ;-) |
| 00:42:06 | t0mas | hehe, probably better than a year ago.. |
| 00:42:14 | t0mas | lots of new features etc... |
| 00:42:35 | bluebrother | yeah ... already checked the MajorChanges page? ;-) |
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| 00:43:19 | * | Moos is imagining a one year old svn commits logs :) |
| 00:43:26 | Moos | welcome back t0mas |
| 00:43:48 | t0mas | cvs back in the day ;) |
| 00:43:53 | t0mas | bluebrother: cool, reading |
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| 00:58:59 | XavierGr | wow t0mas, long time no see! Welcome Back :) |
| 00:59:59 | markun | t0mas: hi man! |
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| 01:00:21 | markun | We ported rockbox to the Toshiba Gigabeat while you were gone :) |
| 01:01:13 | markun | amiconn: nice work on russian support for the player |
| 01:01:41 | t0mas | hehe, yeah I'm still reading the wiki |
| 01:01:49 | t0mas | does the ipod nano support mpeg playback? |
| 01:01:56 | t0mas | seems so in the Mpegplayer docs.. |
| 01:01:58 | H10_007quick | yup |
| 01:02:03 | t0mas | but the plugin is not in the nano build? |
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| 01:02:14 | H10_007quick | in the viewers folder |
| 01:02:19 | H10_007quick | just click on a movie |
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| 01:02:45 | t0mas | hmz.. wrong file or something |
| 01:02:52 | t0mas | mine has no mplegplayer installed |
| 01:03:05 | H10_007quick | did you do a current build? |
| 01:03:39 | t0mas | hmhm, svn/cvs build |
| 01:03:48 | H10_007quick | Look under .rockbox/viewers |
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| 01:04:18 | markun | t0mas: cvs isn't used anymore, I don't think you have the latest version if you used that |
| 01:04:23 | t0mas | no. svn |
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| 01:04:38 | t0mas | maybe some error while copying.. |
| 01:04:53 | t0mas | I'll just download todays daily and extract that to it |
| 01:05:01 | H10_007quick | Definetly should be there |
| 01:05:01 | t0mas | that one does contain the mpegplayer.rock |
| 01:05:13 | H10_007quick | not in the plugins section though |
| 01:05:31 | H10_007quick | its a viewer |
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| 01:05:38 | t0mas | hmhm |
| 01:05:46 | t0mas | the file just wasn't in my rockbox-ipodnano.zip |
| 01:06:06 | H10_007quick | did you look in the viewers folder? |
| 01:06:10 | t0mas | yes |
| 01:06:16 | H10_007quick | strange |
| 01:06:20 | t0mas | file is downloaded 27-03 at 0:18 |
| 01:06:24 | t0mas | maybe a bad build or something |
| 01:06:37 | t0mas | but all was green in the table :S |
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| 01:07:43 | pixelma | I can see it in the viewers folder in the zip... |
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| 01:08:02 | t0mas | I can send you my zip? |
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| 01:08:07 | t0mas | it really isn't in that one |
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| 01:08:23 | t0mas | rockbox-ipodnano.zip\.rockbox\viewers: 6 files |
| 01:08:27 | t0mas | no mpegplayer |
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| 01:08:43 | t0mas | just: jpeg, properties, search, sort, vbrfix and viewer |
| 01:08:46 | H10_007quick | download the top build even though it is yellow |
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| 01:08:54 | t0mas | hmhm, I just downloaded the daily |
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| 01:08:59 | t0mas | which does contain the player |
| 01:09:11 | H10_007quick | ya |
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| 01:09:17 | H10_007quick | what did you download before? |
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| 01:09:39 | t0mas | svn build |
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| 01:09:47 | Soap | anyone man enough to test my sync of the scroll-margins patch? ;) |
| 01:09:50 | H10_007quick | so you compiled it ? |
| 01:10:11 | H10_007quick | Soap: to see if it patches? |
| 01:10:19 | t0mas | no, prebuild zip |
| 01:10:24 | H10_007quick | Soap: or is it different? |
| 01:10:26 | t0mas | I'm looking up from where.. |
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| 01:10:35 | t0mas | because I can't find a rockbox-ipodnano.zip anywhere on the site.. |
| 01:10:51 | Soap | H10_007quick: I'm pretty sure it patches, question is if it works still ;) |
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| 01:10:56 | H10_007quick | go here : http://build.rockbox.org/ |
| 01:11:12 | H10_007quick | they only have current build now |
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| 01:11:28 | H10_007quick | Soap: what is it supposed to do? |
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| 01:11:54 | H10_007quick | Soap: I have it in my custom build only becasue people asked for it, I have no idea what it does |
| 01:12:42 | Soap | It allows you to set the margins in which a line scrolls in a WPS. Stock behavior is a full line scrolling or not. This allows a subset of a line to scroll. Old patch, always going out of sync. I _think_ I synced it right - but "who knows"? ;) |
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| 01:13:45 | t0mas | ah |
| 01:13:56 | t0mas | are we still working on the bounding-boxes around WPS text? |
| 01:14:03 | Soap | your build is for iPods, I'm 99.9% sure it will work for iPods. i'm curious if it will work with LCD remotes. We'll see how close that 99.9% guess was when the compile is finished. |
| 01:14:14 | t0mas | there was a great idea for that a long time ago.. but it never really caught on? |
| 01:14:37 | Soap | amicon's concept for "viewports" |
| 01:15:08 | t0mas | yeah I guess so |
| 01:15:12 | Soap | it's getting fleshed out, and I think there was talk about SummerOfCoding it, let me check the wiki. |
| 01:15:25 | H10_007quick | Soap: are you going to upload the patch to the flyspray? |
| 01:15:52 | Soap | H10_007quick: I'm not sure if that would be considered rude or not. |
| 01:16:09 | Soap | Since I don't know enough to know if I did it right or not. |
| 01:16:34 | H10_007quick | I would upload it and say that "I'm not sure if this is right... but" |
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| 01:17:56 | t0mas | well... I don't know about right now.. but just a few months ago we loved getting patches |
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| 01:18:03 | t0mas | they just were never really accepted.. |
| 01:18:15 | t0mas | because nobody had enough time to look at everything uploaded to flyspray |
| 01:18:53 | Moos | t0mas: you found a new rockbox job then ;P |
| 01:19:04 | Soap | Oh, it's only a couple of days out of sync. I just don't know if I should be using Flyspray as my personal "I'm a noob to C, does _this_ look right?" page. |
| 01:19:07 | t0mas | yeah, problem is.. my job is what's keeping me away from rockbox |
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| 01:19:36 | markun | t0mas: at least your distributed build system is still running fine |
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| 01:19:40 | t0mas | cool |
| 01:19:56 | Moos | t0mas: we are more or less all in this case I think |
| 01:19:59 | markun | at least I think it's your system |
| 01:20:02 | H10_007quick | Soap: I'm currios now: I want to try the patch |
| 01:20:10 | t0mas | if nobody wrote a new one.. yes |
| 01:20:15 | t0mas | everything still fast enough? |
| 01:20:18 | t0mas | lots of servers now? |
| 01:20:39 | markun | Some times it's rockbox wich is keeping me from doing my job :) |
| 01:20:47 | t0mas | ah yes.. still at least based on my script: http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/serv-20070327T223203Z.html |
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| 01:21:31 | t0mas | cool to see it still works |
| 01:22:45 | robin0800 | "/msg hello" |
| 01:23:01 | H10_007quick | Soap: it didn't work |
| 01:23:18 | Soap | http://rockbox.cleansoap.org/files/scroll-margins_2007_0327.patch |
| 01:23:55 | Soap | aarrgghh, need to set the mime-type on that page. |
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| 01:31:08 | smably | question: is it possible to adjust backlight fade duration on the gigabeat? |
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| 01:32:33 | markun | smably: I don't think it is |
| 01:32:45 | smably | okay. hardware limitation? |
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| 01:32:55 | markun | the guy who was working on the fade feature is very busy changing jobs |
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| 01:33:23 | smably | ok, fair enough. maybe i'll hack on this sometime, then. :) |
| 01:33:35 | markun | ok, you're welcome |
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| 01:33:45 | markun | I have enough things I want to work on already |
| 01:33:47 | Lars_G | I come for the impossible |
| 01:34:05 | Lars_G | is there any player out there. that runs rockbox, and that has 20Gb or more, but it's %100 flash based? |
| 01:35:47 | Soul-Slayer | Are there even players out there 20gb or more flash based? :$ |
| 01:36:35 | harlequin | i dont think so...unless you get alot of memory cards |
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| 01:37:09 | harlequin | anyone know where i can download the latest bootloader for the gigabeat f10 |
| 01:37:20 | Soap | Lars_G: I think the closest you can get w/o going crazy hardware hacking would be an iPod mini with at 16GB CF card. |
| 01:38:11 | tsuyoshi | biggest flash players are only 8 gigs so far |
| 01:38:18 | Soap | or, a CF to 2.5"HD adapter and one of the Archos players perhaps? |
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| 01:38:52 | Lars_G | ah well i'll keep waiting for the 32gb flash drive to enter the dap market. |
| 01:38:59 | Lars_G | thanks guys. |
| 01:39:15 | Soul-Slayer | :P |
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| 01:39:34 | t0mas | ok.. nice to be back here for a little while.. |
| 01:39:37 | t0mas | bed time now :) |
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| 01:39:41 | t0mas | 1:40am.. |
| 01:39:57 | Moos | good night t0mas |
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| 01:40:00 | t0mas | tnx |
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| 01:42:47 | smably | Lars_G: just buy an ipod/iriver/gigabeat and replace the disk with one of these: http://news.digitaltrends.com/article12556.html ;) |
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| 01:44:08 | Lars_G | smably: not available to end users yet ;) only to OEMs |
| 01:44:39 | smably | yeah; i'm sure it would cost a small fortune anyway |
| 01:45:38 | Lars_G | well the 32Gb ones toshiba is about to put out, come at $250 to the OEMs |
| 01:45:44 | Lars_G | not cheap but not too bad either |
| 01:46:00 | Soap | no kidding. That's quite reasonable. Is that a 2.5 or 1.8" form factor? |
| 01:46:21 | smably | yeah, pretty cheap for that much flash memory |
| 01:47:02 | Lars_G | 1.8" |
| 01:47:06 | Lars_G | but Sata |
| 01:47:22 | Lars_G | so no easy reffiting our old ipods with it |
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| 01:49:02 | scorche | Lars_G: samsung just announced a 64 one |
| 01:49:24 | scorche | http://news.digitaltrends.com/article12556.html |
| 01:49:40 | Lars_G | smably: do you thing scorche will get pissed off if I get sarcastic with him? |
| 01:49:49 | smably | heh! |
| 01:49:50 | scorche | "Samsung claims the respective read and write performance on the drive have been increased by 20 and 60 percent: the 64 GB unit can read 64 MB/S, write 45 MB/s, and consumes just half a Watt when operating (one tenth of a Watt when idle). In comparison, an 80 GB 1.8-inch hard drive reads at 15 MB/s, writes at 7 MB/s, and eats 1.5 Watts either operating or when idle." |
| 01:49:59 | scorche | power consumption, if true, is nice |
| 01:50:50 | Lars_G | scorche: do you realize smably had ALREADY posted that article? |
| 01:50:59 | scorche | .....oh... |
| 01:51:01 | scorche | bug off |
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| 01:51:33 | * | scorche extends his channel window a bit |
| 01:52:10 | smably | don't worry; no harm done :) |
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| 01:53:26 | Soap | What percentage of battery consumption is the hard drive? |
| 01:58:20 | Soap | Ok, despite the crickets I'll ask my next question: Can I build for multiple targets in the same directory w/o doing a "make clean" or "make veryclean"? |
| 01:58:57 | Lars_G | I wouldn't recommend it |
| 01:59:07 | hcs | if you have a different build directory for each target you'll be fine building from the same source |
| 01:59:16 | Soul-Slayer | It's not much harder to make a new build directory reaaallyy is it :p |
| 01:59:32 | Soap | I was just curious about taking full advantage of ccache. |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:34 | Soap | (when it takes 45-60 minutes to build, you want every help you can get) |
| 02:01:43 | robin0800 | how do you enable ccache? |
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| 02:02:30 | Soap | I believe if you have it installed it is smart enough to use itself. I just don't know if "make clean" disrupts it. |
| 02:02:38 | Kalthare | Say.. would the recent COP changes cause problems with plugins? |
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| 02:04:18 | Kalthare | It would explain why nearly every plugin or viewer I've tried so far has crashed. |
| 02:04:29 | Soap | ahh, just updated from an older build? |
| 02:04:38 | Kalthare | Yeah. |
| 02:04:46 | Lars_G | I need to update rockbox. anything special I need to do then? |
| 02:04:48 | Soap | I bet you have two copies of your rockbox program. |
| 02:05:10 | Kalthare | I think I cleaned the old one out. I'll check, though. |
| 02:05:11 | Soap | the new builds put rockbox.ipod (for example) in the .rockbox folder. |
| 02:05:29 | Lars_G | ORLY? |
| 02:05:30 | Lars_G | :) |
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| 02:06:07 | Soap | so you might have the old one on the root of your player and the new one in the .rockbox folder, and the old one is booting and seeing new plugins and not knowing what to do with them. |
| 02:06:11 | Lars_G | I need to get lattest. My current has an error that drives me mad |
| 02:06:32 | countrymike | is there a way to add notes/comments to issues in the bug tracker? |
| 02:06:34 | Lars_G | Soap: of course that means I need a new bootloader too? |
| 02:06:55 | Kalthare | The old rockbox.ipod is gone. |
| 02:06:56 | countrymike | suppose you've got to be logged in eh? |
| 02:07:21 | Soap | Lars_G: for many a moon (very long time) the bootloaders have looked both places. |
| 02:07:31 | Soap | yea countrymike |
| 02:07:44 | Lars_G | Soap: phew. I'm still anxious about compiling my own... somewhy |
| 02:09:16 | Kalthare | So far, rockboy seems to work fine, doom and midiplayer data-abort, battery_bench resets the player, blackjack displays wrong, bounce runs but crashes on exit, and brickmania freezes. |
| 02:10:11 | markun | harlequin: yes, on rockbox.org go to the current build page |
| 02:13:21 | robin0800 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment this page dosn't tell you to install ccache thats why I didn't have it |
| 02:13:41 | Lars_G | robin0800: It's not needed |
| 02:14:23 | robin0800 | does it improve make performance? |
| 02:14:50 | Soap | a baseball bat improves cygwin performance. ;) |
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| 02:15:24 | robin0800 | that might damage the computer |
| 02:15:28 | Lars_G | Soap: and some KY |
| 02:16:02 | Lars_G | I think I'll title a story like that... "My first lover was a baseball bat and a pot of KY" |
| 02:16:12 | Moos | Soap: tried vmware? |
| 02:16:20 | Lars_G | or qemu |
| 02:16:32 | scorche | Mouser_X: he uses colinux ;) |
| 02:16:44 | scorche | and my autocomplete doesnt like you moos |
| 02:16:52 | Moos | hehe :) |
| 02:16:54 | Soap | Moos: my computer is too old for vmware, I can push enough buttons and pester enough people to keep the colinux image current. |
| 02:16:57 | scorche | Moos: there it goes |
| 02:17:09 | Moos | ok |
| 02:17:11 | robin0800 | seriously I see it in this http://build.rockbox.org/showlog.cgi?date=20070327T223203Z&type=iPod%20Video%20-%20Normal |
| 02:17:15 | scorche | i thought that you maintained the colinux? |
| 02:17:55 | Soap | scorche: considering how much help I get from people answering my questions - claiming "maintainer" is a stretch. |
| 02:18:01 | scorche | heh |
| 02:18:30 | Soap | more like "does what nobody else cares to do". Like battery benches. |
| 02:18:40 | Soap | not " |
| 02:18:50 | Soap | not "what nobody else can do" |
| 02:18:52 | scorche | speaking of virtual machiens...anyone think of anything the vmware image needs? |
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| 02:19:20 | scorche | Soap: well, plenty of others can easily do what i do, just no one else actually does =P |
| 02:19:21 | n17ikh|Lappy | has anyone ever heard of replacing the hdd in a 20gb H10 with a larger one? |
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| 02:20:12 | Soap | to answer your question directly Moos. It offers performance improvements on linux. I don't know if it does through cygwin. |
| 02:20:29 | Soap | n17ikh|Lappy: people do it all the time. |
| 02:20:40 | harlequin | what does batter benching do anyway? |
| 02:20:45 | Soap | nevermind. I saw H100, not H10. |
| 02:21:08 | Moos | scorche: planed to pdate the image? |
| 02:21:21 | scorche | Moos: aye...another one is on the way |
| 02:21:23 | Soap | harlequin: not much. I tested codecVScodec in a controlled steel-cage match. To see which one offered better runtime. |
| 02:21:25 | Kalthare | Oh yeah −− I've had my arm-elf toolchain at least since I was working on the 2K FAT problem. Is there anything in that I need to update? |
| 02:21:33 | harlequin | ooh ok |
| 02:21:51 | scorche | to allow for arm thumb-mode, if it is ever used |
| 02:22:08 | Moos | Soap: I puched cygwin on garbage when the vmware image was out, and definitively, another world |
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| 02:22:26 | Moos | scorche: cool ! |
| 02:22:52 | Soap | I tested No Coprocessor vs Coprocessor vs Coprocessor and double sized RAM cache to see A-if COP was a big positive or negative in terms of runtime. B-if 64megs of buffer offer than much over 32megs of buffer. |
| 02:22:55 | Soap | That kind of thing. |
| 02:22:56 | scorche | not really...all i am doing is running rockboxdev.sh again to take the arm patch in |
| 02:22:58 | n17ikh|Lappy | I don't think 1.8" drives are a common size, are they? |
| 02:23:14 | n17ikh|Lappy | e.g. the case sizes vary by x amount |
| 02:23:21 | n17ikh|Lappy | thickness, etc |
| 02:23:46 | Soap | most of the thickness differences are due to single vs dual platter. |
| 02:23:49 | Moos | scorche: no new packages? (I have no new one need in head) |
| 02:24:31 | scorche | Moos: no reason to update if it isnt needed |
| 02:25:02 | n17ikh|Lappy | I guess there's no such thing as a single platter 60gb drive? |
| 02:25:13 | Moos | scorche: maybe new usufull one that you can think about and that we missed... |
| 02:25:33 | Soap | n17ikh|Lappy: 40GB is the largest that I know of. |
| 02:25:37 | scorche | Moos: that is why i am asking, but i cannot think of anything vital |
| 02:25:42 | n17ikh|Lappy | that's what I thought... |
| 02:26:05 | Moos | scorche: :) |
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| 02:32:07 | BiGRED84 | Hello i have another question, although it is not completely related to rockbox, my h10 20gb does run rockbox, and i also know that people over at rockbox know alittle bit about my problem |
| 02:32:22 | scorche | well, this is #rockbox... |
| 02:32:57 | BiGRED84 | yes i know, my problem is that it seems there is a coruppted file in the system folder on my h10 |
| 02:33:21 | BiGRED84 | *sorry about missing a '#' |
| 02:34:30 | BiGRED84 | i found this out because my h10 was acting wierd when i browsed the root of the device on the computer, when ever i got to the system folder the h10 would freeze and i would have to reboot it and reconnect it to the computer |
| 02:35:36 | BiGRED84 | so i went to windows disk defragmentor and selected analize device and it said there is a corupted file in the system folder and that defragmentatiopn vould not continue |
| 02:35:58 | BiGRED84 | is this problem suitable to be discussed here? |
| 02:36:09 | BiGRED84 | *apropriate |
| 02:36:24 | * | scorche points to the topic |
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| 02:38:25 | BiGRED84 | can you recomend another channel for me to go to please? |
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| 02:38:56 | scorche | not really |
| 02:39:14 | BiGRED84 | oh, thank you anyway |
| 02:40:42 | jhulst | BiGRED84: pm me, if you can |
| 02:40:59 | scorche | he isnt identified, so no he cant |
| 02:41:13 | BiGRED84 | how do i identify myself |
| 02:41:20 | scorche | you need to register |
| 02:41:21 | BiGRED84 | my nick over at rockbox is delorean90 |
| 02:41:26 | | Quit Soul-Slayer (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 02:41:33 | scorche | with freenode |
| 02:41:42 | BiGRED84 | oh, how do i do that |
| 02:41:49 | BiGRED84 | i am new to IRC |
| 02:41:50 | Soap | /msg nickserv help |
| 02:41:56 | BiGRED84 | thankyou |
| 02:42:05 | Soap | (without the space before the / ) |
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| 02:44:23 | BiGRED84 | does mIRC support this? |
| 02:45:16 | jhulst | BiGRED84: as far as I know |
| 02:45:32 | scorche | BiGRED84: think of it as messaging a bot on a network |
| 02:46:22 | jhulst | BiGRED84: follow these instructions otherwise http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration |
| 02:47:40 | BiGRED84 | where do i put '/msg nickserv register <your-password>' |
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| 02:48:51 | jhulst | BiGRED84: Right where you put in all your other messages, just like you are talking to me |
| 02:49:41 | BiGRED84 | oh, thank you, again i apoligize, i just started using irc last week, and i am learning :-) |
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| 03:00:18 | Lars_G | WTF |
| 03:00:24 | Lars_G | biiiiiig changes in the main menu! |
| 03:00:51 | Lars_G | wow rockbox is reaching "I'm gona come on my ipod" levels |
| 03:01:14 | Lars_G | still. why the hell do I always have to reboot to enable the db? |
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| 03:01:33 | Lars_G | to commit it, that is. |
| 03:01:42 | Lars_G | I have a flash ipod, I want on-the-fly commital! |
| 03:02:01 | Llorean | You should only need to commit it when you first initialize it. |
| 03:02:14 | Llorean | Updates shouldn't require rebooting unless it's grown outside of the memory allocated for it, I believe |
| 03:02:22 | Lars_G | Llorean: In the previous version, I also had to commit (via reboot) when I asked it to update |
| 03:02:45 | Llorean | How long ago was it from, though? |
| 03:02:55 | Llorean | From the sounds of it it's been quite a while since you updated. |
| 03:02:58 | Lars_G | hmmm... 2.5 months old approx |
| 03:03:16 | Lars_G | I updated last time just when the last big change that forced a new bootloader was made |
| 03:05:09 | Lars_G | oh no, my favorite feature is gone |
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| 03:05:19 | Lars_G | well not THE but one of them |
| 03:05:47 | Llorean | We aren't in the habit of removing features entirely |
| 03:05:53 | Llorean | What one seems to be missing? |
| 03:06:01 | Lars_G | The special held-menu menu |
| 03:06:07 | Lars_G | Ah no |
| 03:06:07 | Llorean | The quick menu? |
| 03:06:08 | Lars_G | it's there |
| 03:06:12 | Llorean | It's still there in all the screens it used to be there in. |
| 03:06:15 | Lars_G | but only inside database and such |
| 03:06:19 | Lars_G | yes yes. |
| 03:06:24 | Lars_G | smarter each day |
| 03:06:25 | Llorean | It was never there in the menuing system. |
| 03:06:39 | Lars_G | and now I'm sadder and sadder that I've not been able to contrib any code to rockbox |
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| 03:07:23 | delorean90 | i think i am registered now (i previously was BiGRED84) |
| 03:08:20 | Lars_G | Llorean: Are there any new features for wps now that I might miss unless I get a newer theme? specially stuff I don't need to repatch to use :) |
| 03:09:17 | Llorean | Lars_G: Not really, I don't think |
| 03:09:25 | Lars_G | thanks |
| 03:09:42 | Lars_G | and you've not been able to unriddle the serial port in the chip while I wasn't looking, did you? |
| 03:09:46 | jhulst | delorean90: The offer is still open if you want to pm me |
| 03:10:00 | Llorean | Lars_G: Nobody's really working on it, I'm sorry to say |
| 03:10:08 | Lars_G | Ah it's ok. |
| 03:10:21 | Lars_G | I would give it a try but I'm too busy with life |
| 03:10:46 | delorean90 | jhulst: how do i pm you again? |
| 03:11:12 | Soap | in mIRC I think you can double-click on the nick. |
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| 03:44:08 | delorean90 | would my mp3 player still work if i use system files from another device, but an identical device? |
| 03:44:34 | Llorean | Like, an H10 with system files from another identical H10 (same capacity)? |
| 03:44:45 | delorean90 | yes |
| 03:44:53 | Llorean | It _should_ |
| 03:45:13 | delorean90 | ok, i wanted to make sure because it seems that my system folder is corupted |
| 03:45:48 | TrueJournals | do you have a 20 GB or 5/6 GB? |
| 03:45:53 | delorean90 | 20 gb |
| 03:46:07 | TrueJournals | then the H10_20GC.mi4 will work from any other H10 20GB |
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| 03:46:39 | delorean90 | ok, well i was going to just use rockbox only, but i wanted to make sure that there arent any other important files in the system folder |
| 03:46:47 | TrueJournals | nope |
| 03:47:14 | delorean90 | ok thank you, i have forgotten, where can i find a bootloader for a 20gb h10? |
| 03:47:22 | delorean90 | for rockbox |
| 03:47:29 | Llorean | delorean90: In the manual |
| 03:47:54 | TrueJournals | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h10/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
| 03:48:36 | delorean90 | thankyou, has the manual been updated with the intructions for the new dual boot setup? |
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| 03:49:46 | TrueJournals | yes |
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| 03:50:53 | delorean90 | ok thankyou |
| 03:51:10 | TrueJournals | glad to help |
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| 04:03:26 | jhulst | Hoffmann: You were one of the original people working on the ZVM Port right? |
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| 04:47:57 | Kalthare | How do I set Rockbox to read filenames as utf8? |
| 04:58:05 | safetydan | Kaltahre, I don't think there's a specific setting to do that. Maybe the codepage settings? |
| 04:58:08 | jhulst | toffe82: You around? |
| 04:58:34 | safetydan | Is it actually having problems reading the filenames or are you just talking about displaying them? If it's just the display, try a font with unicode characters. |
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| 05:12:15 | Kalthare | Well, I've set it to unifont, and the default codepage to utf8, but it's still displaying the filenames as latin1 spew. |
| 05:16:42 | safetydan | Kalthare, maybe this thread will help http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3871.0 |
| 05:17:04 | safetydan | Basically utf8 filenames should work, but make sure you mount the driver correctly in linux or strangeness may occur. |
| 05:17:47 | Kalthare | Hmm, okay. Thanks. |
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| 05:43:57 | bonbonthejon | whats the status for Summer of Code |
| 05:44:38 | Llorean | That's a very vague question. |
| 05:45:01 | Llorean | I believe student signups have ended, and we're now in the "Mentor evaluation of the applications" period. |
| 05:45:11 | bonbonthejon | Llorean: thats what i was looking for |
| 05:45:25 | Llorean | Well, that's all just on the official SoC timeline |
| 05:46:10 | bonbonthejon | did students need to do anything besides express interest |
| 05:46:54 | Llorean | They had to write and submit an application/proposal through the Summer of Code website. |
| 05:47:11 | bonbonthejon | Llorean: ah, there goes that idea |
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| 06:19:10 | Alonea | ok, I was using that .bat from the wiki and its been working fine all day, but now it crashes every time I try to use. I have tried restarting my computer and downloading a fresh one. |
| 06:19:54 | bonbonthejon | Alonea: what does it do |
| 06:19:56 | Llorean | Alonea: That statement, on its own, doesn't tell any of us much of anything. |
| 06:20:04 | Llorean | Alonea: "the .bat from the wiki" is a very, very vague statement |
| 06:21:59 | Alonea | oh, sorry. the .bat file for VLC on the wiki that will convert video files. I have been using a program called SmartRIpper to make one .vob and been doing the same for each file and it has worked fine since I started using it. Now when I try the use the .bat file I get the whole windowsVLC media playe rhas encountered a problem... |
| 06:24:13 | Llorean | Alonea: In that case you should be seeking support for VLC, since it's VLC that's having issues. |
| 06:25:04 | Alonea | ah. ok. just seeing if anyone knew. I will just use another program or something. |
| 06:25:17 | Llorean | VLC never did that to me, but I've recently moved to WinFF |
| 06:25:44 | Llorean | It doesn't have the quirks VLC is (if the video framerate is invalid, it's much more likely to just pick a valid one than wait 10 minutes and then give you a file with no video stream) |
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| 06:27:05 | Alonea | Llorean: well, if it was a framerate problem, would it be doing it after a few minutes or immediately? |
| 06:27:45 | Alonea | Llorean: I did this same file earlier, but I didn't do the sound correctly, so I had to redo it. (2channel is missing from dvd cause dad deleted it.) |
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| 06:28:11 | Llorean | Alonea: No, I wasn't saying it was a framerate issue. That doesn't cause VLC to crash |
| 06:28:29 | Alonea | Llorean: oh, ok. Will try that WinFF then. |
| 06:29:12 | Llorean | Alonea: We've posted some basic presets for it at the PluginMpegplayer page, making encoding with it really easy |
| 06:29:26 | Llorean | And if you type in your own values in the empty boxes it'll override those presets. |
| 06:29:54 | Alonea | Llorean: yeah, thats what I am looking at. tried doing the command prompt too and it didn't work either |
| 06:32:46 | Alonea | Llorean: ok, on your WinFF, what framerate do I do 25 or 29.97? |
| 06:33:17 | Llorean | Alonea: If you don't type in one, it'll automatically use the nearest legal one to what your file is. |
| 06:33:24 | Alonea | ok, thanks |
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| 06:33:28 | Llorean | You shouldn't need to type in anything unless you want to override something |
| 06:33:36 | Alonea | alrighty |
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| 06:35:16 | toffe82 | jhulst: I am here :) |
| 06:35:55 | Alonea | Llorean: oh, I figured out whats wrong...My vob files have more than 2 channels of audio and I don't know how to fix that... |
| 06:36:10 | jhulst | toffe82: Two hours, not bad ;) |
| 06:36:17 | Llorean | Alonea: In WinFF, in the very bottom window, type "-ac 2" without the "s around it. |
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| 06:36:40 | jhulst | Anyways, I had talked to you earlier about the port for the Zen Vision M and the zif adapter |
| 06:36:59 | Alonea | Llorean: you are awesome. *huggles* |
| 06:37:05 | jhulst | It seems that our hard drive also uses zif, it just looks like it would be an IDE drive |
| 06:37:40 | jhulst | I was just wondering about your thoughts on the matter, if you had purchased an adapter |
| 06:37:43 | toffe82 | It is not with a zif , from the picture I saw it is with a female conector |
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| 06:38:05 | toffe82 | hodl on , I check again |
| 06:38:43 | jhulst | there actually are two hard drives that we know of that are in that device, the Toshiba and a Hitachi |
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| 06:40:38 | jhulst | This is the other drive that is in it, http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/HD.jpg |
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| 06:42:43 | toffe82 | strange thi one is with zif connector, for toshiba, only the reference finishing by 8 are with zif connector |
| 06:43:23 | toffe82 | the toshiba on the wiki is a mk3006gal which have a female connector |
| 06:43:23 | jhulst | toffe82: I know, it seems strange to me, breihanj currently has his ZVM open if you have anything you would like him to look at |
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| 06:43:33 | breihanj | hey |
| 06:43:42 | breihanj | my camera is not so good |
| 06:43:42 | toffe82 | hello |
| 06:43:46 | breihanj | i haven't been able to get a good picture |
| 06:44:23 | breihanj | but i've come across some online, i've got a hitachi |
| 06:44:38 | toffe82 | with a zif connector |
| 06:44:38 | breihanj | c4k60-30 with zif connector |
| 06:44:38 | Llorean | breihanj: You may have the wrong place, this channel has nothing to do with cameras. |
| 06:44:55 | breihanj | :) |
| 06:45:15 | jhulst | Llorean: he's talking about taking pictures of his Creative Zen |
| 06:45:35 | toffe82 | it is the same reference of the zen ? |
| 06:45:48 | breihanj | reference? |
| 06:45:56 | breihanj | it's got this ribbon cable from creative that is attached that goes to the ZVM motherboard |
| 06:46:04 | breihanj | this is the ZVM 30 gig model |
| 06:46:15 | breihanj | i'm not sure how to get the cable off without breaking it |
| 06:46:43 | toffe82 | you have to lift the lock of the zif connector if you want to take it of |
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| 06:47:11 | breihanj | yeah, i lifted this piece of metal |
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| 06:47:17 | toffe82 | does the zen with the toshiba and the one with the hitachi have the same model number ? |
| 06:47:27 | breihanj | not sure, i only have the hitachi |
| 06:47:44 | toffe82 | jhulst: what model do you have ? |
| 06:47:51 | jhulst | I'll check, from a consumer point of view, they were never told that they were different |
| 06:48:10 | breihanj | the creative cable goes to a different type of zif port that's on the board |
| 06:48:26 | breihanj | i'm assuming that if there are different connectors for different drives, they go to the same style connector on the motherboard |
| 06:48:29 | toffe82 | but on the case, there is not a different mark like zen m -xxx |
| 06:48:33 | breihanj | creative probably has a cable for each drive |
| 06:48:51 | breihanj | model no HD0003 |
| 06:48:51 | breihanj | hmm |
| 06:49:03 | breihanj | that sounds suspiciously like hard drive |
| 06:49:10 | breihanj | as in a different model for each drive |
| 06:49:20 | toffe82 | and on yours jhulst ? |
| 06:49:22 | breihanj | DVP-HD00003 |
| 06:49:30 | breihanj | (my bad, long day) |
| 06:49:52 | breihanj | wow ok, i swear it's right this time. DVP-HD0003 |
| 06:49:54 | jhulst | Sorry, mine is a DVP-HD0004 |
| 06:50:05 | breihanj | they only had a 30gig and a 60 gig model |
| 06:50:11 | jhulst | mine is the 60 gig |
| 06:50:20 | breihanj | perhaps there are multiple 30gig models |
| 06:51:08 | toffe82 | if you want to be able to use your hd outside the zen to copy file, you have to buy the corresponding interface |
| 06:51:11 | breihanj | so i've slid up the lock on the connector, it seems like this cable slides on metal rails of some kind and might be soldered |
| 06:51:21 | breihanj | yeah, i found one at span.com that has the hard drive part number |
| 06:51:43 | breihanj | https://www.span.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=8932&c=102&t=side_right1 |
| 06:51:55 | toffe82 | for the one with female interface , it is easy just look for external case for toshiba 1.8" , it cost about 10$ on ebay |
| 06:52:36 | breihanj | http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/HD.jpg pretty sure this is the drive in hulst's model |
| 06:53:03 | breihanj | i haven't gotten this cable off |
| 06:53:22 | breihanj | does it lift up at an angle? |
| 06:53:31 | breihanj | it looks like it might |
| 06:53:33 | toffe82 | breihanj: this one is ok but you have to connect it to the ide bus, check this one http://www.iconuk.co.uk/product.asp?strPageHistory=home&numSearchStartRecord=0&P_ID=2834&CAT_ID=0&numRecordPosition=1&numCurrencyID=2 |
| 06:53:36 | breihanj | i believe it's a female plug |
| 06:53:45 | breihanj | ide bus is fine |
| 06:54:05 | breihanj | i'm going to run dd on this thing so either ide or usb mass storage works, ide probably works better as long as i don't fry everything :) |
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| 06:55:01 | breihanj | yeah, i've seen that one on a few european sites.. do you recommend that over the ide one? |
| 06:55:55 | breihanj | is there a good way to remove this interface cable? |
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| 06:56:01 | toffe82 | I prefer this one so you don't have to open your computer and usb external is generally hot plug so no need to shut down the computer to remove it |
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| 06:56:54 | breihanj | do all toshiba MK series drives use the same interface as hitachi's zif drives ? |
| 06:56:55 | toffe82 | you should have on the connector itself a little lock (black ) |
| 06:57:11 | ptw419 | i think some may be ide |
| 06:57:15 | webguest59 | I need help, my rockbox doesnt go into disk mode, nor is it being seen by my computer. I got an iPod Video, with latest rockbox firmware from site, and I use Mac OS 10.4.9 |
| 06:57:15 | toffe82 | the zif interface is standard |
| 06:57:24 | breihanj | do you have a picture you can link me of this lock? |
| 06:57:38 | breihanj | i see black plastic on the side of my cable (it's got a white plug so it's easy to see the interface) |
| 06:58:00 | breihanj | it seems like the black plastic is attached to the board somehow |
| 06:58:26 | toffe82 | so toshiba and hitachi use the same, the onluy thing is that they are reverse , if the toshiba is connected with the sticker on top, the hitachi would be with sticker on the bottom |
| 06:58:35 | breihanj | i folded a metal sliver thing up that was behind my cable's plug |
| 06:58:40 | breihanj | coming from the side of the board |
| 06:59:08 | breihanj | is there an easy way to know which side my drive goes in |
| 06:59:11 | breihanj | ? |
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| 07:00:20 | webguest59 | I don't know what happened. This used to work. It worked just fine. |
| 07:00:46 | webguest59 | I. Don't. Know. What. To. Do. |
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| 07:00:55 | lex | ok |
| 07:01:05 | ptw419 | http://cgi.ebay.com/MK4004GAH-40GB-Toshiba-1-8-iPOD-Hard-Drive_W0QQitemZ160100759691QQcategoryZ67839QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting |
| 07:01:10 | toffe82 | breihanj: what do yhou mean ? |
| 07:01:23 | breihanj | there's this metal flap thing |
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| 07:02:08 | toffe82 | I don't know sorry |
| 07:02:09 | breihanj | that toshiba drive that ptw419 linked does not use the same interface |
| 07:02:14 | ptw419 | thats an ide |
| 07:02:16 | breihanj | i have the adapter for that though |
| 07:02:19 | ptw419 | this is a zif drive |
| 07:02:20 | ptw419 | http://cgi.ebay.com/Toshiba-80GB-1-8-Hard-Drive-MK8009GAH_W0QQitemZ140101277238QQcategoryZ99249QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 07:02:20 | breihanj | got it from digitalintelligence.com |
| 07:02:26 | toffe82 | yes it is the one with female connector |
| 07:02:31 | ptw419 | what is the model number of the hd? |
| 07:02:53 | breihanj | this one is a hitachi travelstar, model c4k60-30 |
| 07:03:03 | breihanj | it has the ce (zif) connector |
| 07:03:07 | breihanj | it's a hitachi zif connector though |
| 07:03:09 | breihanj | it's not as wide |
| 07:03:18 | breihanj | and doesn't have those plastic things sticking out on the side |
| 07:03:25 | toffe82 | you see on hte picture the zif connector on the top ? |
| 07:03:29 | breihanj | it's a 50 pin |
| 07:03:43 | breihanj | yeah that looks like it |
| 07:03:43 | ptw419 | its 1.8? |
| 07:03:51 | ptw419 | 1.8" i mean? |
| 07:03:58 | breihanj | ptw419: correct. apparently there are a bunch of different connectors on 1.8 |
| 07:04:05 | toffe82 | it is white and there is a black part, this is the lock you just lift the loc |
| 07:04:15 | toffe82 | and the cable goes out |
| 07:04:52 | breihanj | i have some embarrassingly fuzzy pictures taken with an old digital camera |
| 07:05:08 | jhulst | breihanj: I don't think your zif connector was a big as the one linked to by ptw419 though is it? |
| 07:05:20 | jhulst | Is there a smaller zif adapter size? |
| 07:05:30 | breihanj | no, it's smaller |
| 07:05:34 | breihanj | it is definitely smaller |
| 07:05:39 | toffe82 | no it is standard on the hd 1.8" |
| 07:05:39 | breihanj | and span.com has two adapters for 1.8 |
| 07:05:41 | breihanj | one is the ipod size |
| 07:05:45 | breihanj | one is smaller |
| 07:06:35 | breihanj | https://www.span.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=8932&c=102&t=side_right1 versus http://www.span.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=28_1203&products_id=4267 |
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| 07:07:03 | breihanj | ok the latter says it's not zif compatible |
| 07:07:06 | breihanj | ok |
| 07:07:11 | breihanj | this thing is about 1 inch long |
| 07:07:19 | breihanj | it's in the middle of the drive |
| 07:07:23 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 07:07:27 | breihanj | ~3 cm |
| 07:07:51 | toffe82 | it is the standard zif interface |
| 07:08:06 | breihanj | it's not the interface ptw419 linked |
| 07:08:16 | breihanj | that one is a lot wider |
| 07:08:29 | breihanj | i would say this one is only about 60% as wide |
| 07:08:54 | ptw419 | yeah the one at span http://www.span.com/catalog/product_info.php?c=102¤cy=SGD&products_id=8932&t=side_right1 says its compatible for the hitachi model you have |
| 07:09:16 | ptw419 | it says in the red print. but you should look for a better one |
| 07:09:38 | breihanj | yeah |
| 07:09:41 | breihanj | http://images.tomshardware.com/2006/04/28/small_is_beautiful/hitachi-c4k60-20-bottom.jpg |
| 07:09:52 | breihanj | that's the same series drive i have |
| 07:10:04 | breihanj | notice they've got this ribbon cable that goes between the adapter and the drive |
| 07:10:14 | breihanj | but it's way smaller than the toshiba one |
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| 07:10:45 | toffe82 | it is the same |
| 07:11:10 | breihanj | the "icy box" model is the same connector as the span.com adapter? |
| 07:11:49 | toffe82 | i think that the hitachi has the connector on the largest side of the drive and the hitachi on the smaller side |
| 07:12:13 | breihanj | i don't see a plastic lock |
| 07:12:36 | ptw419 | toffie does this adapter a zif connector? http://cgi.ebay.com/HITACHI-1-8-USB-2-0-HDD-HARD-DISK-DRIVE-CASE-ENCLOSURE_W0QQitemZ140020197540QQihZ004QQcategoryZ41911QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 07:12:50 | toffe82 | check were is going the flat cable on the hard drive |
| 07:13:46 | breihanj | the problem with that link is that many hitachi drives have an ata connector |
| 07:13:54 | breihanj | but the ones used in consumer electronics have the zif connector |
| 07:14:21 | breihanj | ptw419: that specific adapter does not have the right connector |
| 07:14:34 | toffe82 | ptw419: this one has a female connector so it should be for an hitachi drive with male connector |
| 07:14:53 | ptw419 | ah |
| 07:15:48 | toffe82 | to resume : you have 3 type of connector, male (hitachi), female (toshiba, zif (hitachi and toshiba0 |
| 07:16:21 | breihanj | i definitely have a hitachi zif but i read online that there were different types of zif |
| 07:16:37 | toffe82 | where ? |
| 07:16:46 | jhulst | ouch $30 shipping alone for the icy box one |
| 07:16:49 | breihanj | not sure it was reputable |
| 07:17:03 | breihanj | jhulst: from iconuk? |
| 07:17:08 | jhulst | yeah |
| 07:17:20 | jhulst | Plus the $30 for the adapter alone |
| 07:17:23 | ptw419 | mine cost $50 |
| 07:17:29 | ptw419 | w/ shipping |
| 07:17:30 | toffe82 | mine 60 |
| 07:17:36 | toffe82 | with shipping |
| 07:17:36 | breihanj | i don't mind swapping ide cables, just nervous about frying/breaking things |
| 07:17:39 | breihanj | hehe |
| 07:17:55 | breihanj | i am shipping to texas |
| 07:18:01 | ptw419 | same |
| 07:18:06 | toffe82 | just never disconnect the hard drive with power on |
| 07:18:16 | breihanj | yeah |
| 07:18:21 | jhulst | toffe82: So you are pretty sure the icy box one will work for our hard drive? |
| 07:18:51 | toffe82 | if it is has the zif yes |
| 07:19:23 | toffe82 | you can check the pin out of the zif on the toshiba and on the hitachi, it is the same |
| 07:20:06 | breihanj | do these cables go in at an angle |
| 07:20:22 | breihanj | it sounds like they go in straight |
| 07:20:23 | toffe82 | no |
| 07:20:48 | breihanj | this one i have looks like it went straight down or at an angle |
| 07:20:55 | breihanj | like vertically down into a connector |
| 07:20:57 | breihanj | or at an angle |
| 07:21:04 | breihanj | man, this is a really bad description. |
| 07:21:34 | breihanj | the way this white part of the cable goes into the connector |
| 07:21:43 | breihanj | there's no way it could fit in straight |
| 07:21:45 | breihanj | i think |
| 07:21:50 | breihanj | i wish i could get a picture of this |
| 07:21:57 | toffe82 | no , the connector is flat , it can not go down, it goes parallel to the board |
| 07:22:12 | breihanj | i'm gonna try with the webcam |
| 07:22:31 | toffe82 | but once you lift the lock, the cable goes out with no pb |
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| 07:23:38 | breihanj | i don't know how to explain it |
| 07:23:45 | breihanj | but the sides of the plug |
| 07:23:48 | breihanj | spread outward |
| 07:23:50 | breihanj | inside of the connector |
| 07:24:08 | breihanj | when i get my cameras close up it turns out too fuzzy to see this |
| 07:25:07 | ptw419 | this is for the creative vision M right? |
| 07:25:19 | jhulst | ptw419: yes |
| 07:25:22 | ptw419 | creativ zen vision i mean |
| 07:25:26 | breihanj | m |
| 07:25:30 | breihanj | Zen Vision M |
| 07:25:44 | ptw419 | check out this disassembly page |
| 07:25:48 | ptw419 | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2006/02/how-to-disassemble-the-creative-zen-vision-m.php |
| 07:25:55 | ptw419 | maybe it might help you describe it |
| 07:26:36 | breihanj | wow this is a bad graphic |
| 07:26:37 | breihanj | http://www.halpus.com/hitachi/Picture4.jpg |
| 07:26:41 | jhulst | ptw419: That is a different hard drive then what is in breihanjs player, it almost looks likes that one is an IDE interface |
| 07:26:59 | ptw419 | ah |
| 07:27:14 | breihanj | that is a different drive |
| 07:27:31 | breihanj | i definitely don't have pins like that coming out of the board |
| 07:27:44 | jhulst | breihanj: how long ago did you get your player? |
| 07:27:50 | breihanj | very recently |
| 07:28:03 | breihanj | i bought it in october |
| 07:28:07 | breihanj | off of amazon |
| 07:28:15 | breihanj | this was after the 60gig model came out |
| 07:28:50 | ptw419 | http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/HD.jpg |
| 07:28:52 | jhulst | I wonder if they changed hard drives when the 60 was released, to standardize them |
| 07:29:00 | breihanj | yes that guy has the same drive |
| 07:29:03 | breihanj | that's the cable i'm trying to get off |
| 07:29:07 | ptw419 | wait thats the W |
| 07:29:08 | breihanj | i mean, he has the same series |
| 07:29:13 | breihanj | but the 60gig rather than the 30 |
| 07:29:19 | breihanj | unfortunately, he doesn't have a good pic of the connector |
| 07:29:50 | toffe82 | this one is zif connector |
| 07:30:29 | ptw419 | this page is talking about the zen vision W |
| 07:30:33 | ptw419 | but it uses the same hd |
| 07:30:41 | breihanj | yes, it is the same series hd with the same connector |
| 07:30:46 | ptw419 | http://onemansblog.com/2007/01/08/creative-zen-vision-w-teardown/ |
| 07:31:00 | ptw419 | it also mentions the same zif adapter you were looking at earlier |
| 07:31:02 | breihanj | but he doesn't say how to remove the creative cable |
| 07:31:43 | ptw419 | the flat cable? |
| 07:31:51 | breihanj | yeah |
| 07:32:22 | ptw419 | "Step 6) In order to remove the hard drive, peel back the tape covering the ZIF socket and gently unplug it." |
| 07:32:33 | toffe82 | are you sure that they are the same model, the board is different ?? |
| 07:32:44 | ptw419 | usually u pull back the zif connector and hte cable slips out |
| 07:32:52 | toffe82 | lift the lock |
| 07:33:25 | breihanj | i'm not sure which tape he is referring to |
| 07:34:25 | breihanj | i think he's talking about tape over the zif socket on the board, not on the hard drive |
| 07:35:13 | ptw419 | it may be in a different place or not there at all, since this hardware is probably different and in a different configuration for this model |
| 07:35:24 | ptw419 | but the idea is still the same |
| 07:36:10 | breihanj | do you have a link to what the connector looks like missing the cable ? |
| 07:36:28 | toffe82 | I think that on the board it is not a zif connector |
| 07:37:16 | breihanj | yeah, i mean the one on the board is a different type from on the hard drive |
| 07:37:27 | breihanj | but by zif i mean it just slides on and off |
| 07:37:40 | breihanj | the ribbon cable doesn't seem to slide on and off easily from the hd |
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| 07:37:58 | ptw419 | http://www.crystalfontz.com/products/cfaxzifdemo/zif_insertion.gif |
| 07:37:59 | toffe82 | there is a lock on the zif |
| 07:38:06 | ptw419 | animated gif |
| 07:38:23 | toffe82 | this one is not the one on the hd |
| 07:38:46 | ptw419 | something similar maybe though |
| 07:38:50 | ptw419 | ? |
| 07:38:53 | breihanj | other than that piece of metal that was blocking the back of the cable |
| 07:38:54 | toffe82 | on the one of the hd you have a black part you have to lift up |
| 07:38:58 | breihanj | i don't see a lock |
| 07:40:15 | ptw419 | toffe would it damage it if they were to gently pull out the cable? |
| 07:40:29 | breihanj | it wouldn't come out |
| 07:40:35 | breihanj | because the white piece goes in to the connector |
| 07:40:48 | breihanj | i need a better picture |
| 07:41:09 | breihanj | http://halpus.com/hitachi/picture5.jpg |
| 07:41:33 | breihanj | the white part is from the cable |
| 07:41:37 | breihanj | the black part comes from the hd |
| 07:41:45 | aliask | breihanj: Is that from the Zen? |
| 07:41:45 | breihanj | the white part actually sticks outward inside of the black connector |
| 07:41:56 | breihanj | so it's impossible to pull out, it seems like it must lift up or something |
| 07:42:09 | breihanj | aliask: yes, sorry my camera is really bad and the overhead light in my apartment is out |
| 07:42:24 | aliask | Yeah, I know the connection you are talking about. You're right, it's hard to explain |
| 07:42:44 | breihanj | it's like an inverted d-shape |
| 07:42:57 | breihanj | the only thing i could think is that it rocks up at an angle or comes straight up |
| 07:43:00 | jhulst | aliask: so what is it, and where do we find an adapter for it? :) |
| 07:43:07 | breihanj | like a simm back in the day |
| 07:43:14 | breihanj | that span.com site specifically lists this model |
| 07:43:22 | breihanj | however if i can't get the creative cable in and out the point is moot |
| 07:43:51 | aliask | I thought the Vision: M had a regular drive |
| 07:43:55 | aliask | Let me open mine up |
| 07:44:14 | breihanj | what model do you have on the back |
| 07:44:30 | breihanj | mine says dvp-hd0003 |
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| 07:52:02 | aliask | breihanj: You're talking about the Zen Vision M right? |
| 07:52:06 | breihanj | correct |
| 07:52:15 | breihanj | Zen Vision M 30GB model |
| 07:52:20 | aliask | If so, the little board that has the weird connector is just an adaptor thing |
| 07:52:34 | aliask | The harddrive is a regular pin type |
| 07:52:45 | breihanj | you don't have model dvp-hd0003 then |
| 07:52:55 | breihanj | whats it say on the back of your zen case ? |
| 07:53:06 | breihanj | right above the sticker, below the fcc logo? |
| 07:53:08 | aliask | Zen Case or HDD? |
| 07:53:12 | breihanj | zen case |
| 07:53:15 | breihanj | also |
| 07:53:18 | breihanj | which hard drive do you have |
| 07:53:21 | jhulst | aliask: What kind of hard drive do you have? Is it a Toshiba or Hitachi? |
| 07:53:21 | breihanj | i'm assuming you have a toshiba |
| 07:53:30 | jhulst | breihanj: beat me to it |
| 07:53:34 | aliask | dvp-hd0003 |
| 07:53:55 | breihanj | and you have the adapter board |
| 07:53:58 | breihanj | with a standard cable ? |
| 07:54:04 | breihanj | well, i mean |
| 07:54:06 | aliask | Toshiba drive |
| 07:54:06 | breihanj | standard pinout |
| 07:54:14 | breihanj | yeah, i definitely have a hitachi travelstar |
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| 07:55:12 | breihanj | i wish i could get a good picture of this |
| 07:55:21 | breihanj | it seems like as soon as i zoom in it gets fuzzy |
| 07:55:36 | aliask | I have lost the cable for my camera :( |
| 07:55:47 | aliask | I went to go find it but came back empty handed |
| 07:56:23 | toffe82 | try a picture from at the max distance to have a clear image |
| 07:58:35 | breihanj | i'm gonna put up a couple more pictures but they don't look great |
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| 08:00:00 | ptw419 | its a 40pin zif connector |
| 08:00:59 | breihanj | ok i got one |
| 08:01:19 | breihanj | http://halpus.com/hitachi/Picture11.jpg |
| 08:01:27 | breihanj | it's fuzzy, but can you see how that white part kind of juts out at an angle |
| 08:01:31 | breihanj | inside the black connector? |
| 08:01:41 | breihanj | there's a metal tab in front of it that i've lifted but the cable doesn't really release with it |
| 08:01:52 | breihanj | http://halpus.com/hitachi/Picture7.jpg |
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| 08:03:53 | toffe82 | normally zif mean null insertion force, so you should have something which unlock the connector so you can pull out the cable easely |
| 08:04:10 | amiconn | mo0ning |
| 08:04:20 | breihanj | yeah there must be some way to unlock it |
| 08:04:23 | aliask | toffe82: It isn't ZIF I don't think. |
| 08:04:25 | breihanj | i'm really good at overlooking the obvious |
| 08:04:32 | breihanj | hitachi refers to it as ZIF in their specs |
| 08:04:42 | aliask | Oh are you talking about the other end? |
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| 08:05:46 | toffe82 | ok, the connector should be the same as the one on the toshiba, I have one in front off me and there is a lock on it , I lift it and pull out the cable |
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| 08:05:49 | breihanj | this ribbion cable must come out from the hd before i can plug it into an adapter |
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| 08:10:19 | breihanj | silly question |
| 08:10:30 | breihanj | does the ribbon cable just pull out |
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| 08:10:37 | breihanj | or does the plug comeout too |
| 08:10:46 | breihanj | like, there is a plug that seems to be at the end of the cable |
| 08:10:59 | breihanj | or does the ribbon pull out and go back in? |
| 08:11:03 | breihanj | i'm assuming the plug goes out |
| 08:11:10 | breihanj | with the cable and that the plug is clamped onto the cable |
| 08:12:16 | ptw419 | you said travelstar c4k30? |
| 08:12:30 | breihanj | c4k60-30 |
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| 08:12:37 | breihanj | it's a c4k60, 30gig model |
| 08:12:41 | ptw419 | i have the data sheet for that hd |
| 08:12:44 | breihanj | with the CE connector |
| 08:12:49 | breihanj | which they say is a hitachi zif |
| 08:12:52 | toffe82 | it seems that the zif connector is different on the toshiba |
| 08:13:08 | ptw419 | http://www.hitachigst.com/tech/techlib.nsf/techdocs/0931DA63CD49990386257061007D29B5/$file/C4K60_Slim_e3.pdf |
| 08:13:10 | breihanj | the same model is also available with a 44 pin |
| 08:13:13 | ptw419 | look at pg 25 |
| 08:13:42 | breihanj | yeah |
| 08:13:48 | breihanj | that's it right there |
| 08:13:55 | breihanj | ok |
| 08:13:55 | ptw419 | www.jae-connector.com/en |
| 08:13:58 | breihanj | see that thing in the upper left |
| 08:14:00 | breihanj | of the connector |
| 08:14:03 | breihanj | that's the metal flap |
| 08:14:04 | breihanj | that i lfited up |
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| 08:15:00 | aliask | Oh curses. |
| 08:15:16 | aliask | It looks like I have broken this Zen |
| 08:15:47 | ptw419 | http://www.jae-connector.com/en/pdf/SJ036880.pdf this looks a little complicated |
| 08:16:17 | breihanj | ouch |
| 08:17:35 | ptw419 | you said that you lifted the metal flap up? |
| 08:17:41 | breihanj | yes i did |
| 08:17:47 | ptw419 | and it slid out, but not all the way right? |
| 08:17:53 | breihanj | aliask: which piece? |
| 08:17:56 | toffe82 | I think I know |
| 08:18:03 | breihanj | ptw419: it's just this metal thing that comes up |
| 08:18:06 | ptw419 | ah |
| 08:18:06 | aliask | It's acting as if the hdd isn't connected. I might have bend the ZIF cable. |
| 08:18:22 | ptw419 | damn that sux aliask |
| 08:18:27 | breihanj | yeah, i've been afraid of doing that |
| 08:18:35 | aliask | Worst thing is...... it's not mine! |
| 08:18:43 | breihanj | ouch |
| 08:18:56 | breihanj | yeah, it's actually part of the metal around the housing of the connector |
| 08:18:59 | toffe82 | there is 2 type of zif one as a lock that you lift which is on the opposite side of the cable, the othe one is on the same side of the cable and must be pull out in direction of the cable |
| 08:19:23 | ptw419 | it looks on the schematic like you pull something up? |
| 08:19:28 | ptw419 | under 1 2 3 |
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| 08:20:19 | toffe82 | difficult to see |
| 08:22:11 | breihanj | i'm testing writing some data to this |
| 08:22:26 | breihanj | i don't really get this 1 2 3 thing |
| 08:23:39 | ptw419 | on the schematic where its labeled at 1,2, and 3. it right around there it looks like a outlined lever |
| 08:24:06 | ptw419 | right below #2 |
| 08:24:12 | breihanj | i don't see a lever really |
| 08:24:30 | breihanj | it looks like that lever is internal |
| 08:24:34 | breihanj | and has to be pried or something |
| 08:25:05 | ptw419 | and the schematic has #3 labeled as an actuator |
| 08:25:51 | ptw419 | yeah it might be something different |
| 08:26:18 | breihanj | it looks similar |
| 08:26:25 | breihanj | but i don't see the actuator mechanism |
| 08:27:33 | ptw419 | this look more specific : http://www.jae-connector.com/en/pdf/SJ036881.pdf |
| 08:27:34 | ptw419 | ? |
| 08:28:57 | breihanj | hmm |
| 08:29:06 | breihanj | i can't really see into the drive much |
| 08:29:25 | breihanj | but i see how the mechanism could unlock and lock |
| 08:29:35 | breihanj | that would explain why the white cable is doing the inverted d and looks like it can't come out |
| 08:29:51 | breihanj | if the mechanism moved it would lock and unlock and you could just drop the cable in |
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| 08:32:24 | shoepainter | anyone trying to do an m3 or Gigabeat s30 |
| 08:32:54 | breihanj | i gotta crash for a bit, work in a few hours :( |
| 08:33:02 | breihanj | i'll try and hop back in tomorrow |
| 08:33:04 | ptw419 | maybe the metal thing is that actuator |
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| 08:33:10 | breihanj | it doesn't seem to be |
| 08:33:33 | ptw419 | i'm helping w/ the S30 shoepainter |
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| 08:33:54 | breihanj | alright, take care guys, i'll be back |
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| 08:35:33 | shoepainter | ptw419 well i know nothing about programing so I cheer u on |
| 08:35:35 | toffe82 | good night |
| 08:35:43 | shoepainter | good luck |
| 08:36:02 | shoepainter | good luck and good night |
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| 08:37:28 | shoepainter | <ptw419> quick question I have a c60 is the c30 is ported than the c60 can also be ported at the same time |
| 08:37:37 | shoepainter | i mean s60 |
| 08:37:59 | shoepainter | let me rephrase that |
| 08:38:39 | ptw419 | they are the same thing, except the s60 has a 60gig hd |
| 08:39:24 | shoepainter | yeah i got my s60 for 199.99 on ebay Brand New great deals on ebay |
| 08:39:50 | shoepainter | thanks |
| 08:42:00 | shoepainter | <ptw419>hey do u think that the rockbox for the s30 has the potential of being the best rockbox target |
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| 08:43:20 | shoepainter | Iam going to sleep now and dream that I have Rockbox on my s60 |
| 08:43:26 | ptw419 | dunno about the best |
| 08:43:45 | shoepainter | whats better an Iriver |
| 08:43:47 | ptw419 | but if it happens hopfully better than whats on it right now lol |
| 08:44:07 | shoepainter | its a peice of crap right now |
| 08:44:16 | shoepainter | the battery sucks |
| 08:44:17 | Llorean | It really depends on what the battery life is like on the S60 |
| 08:44:32 | shoepainter | same as the 30s i bet |
| 08:44:40 | Llorean | With a stock battery I can get 20 hours in Rockbox in my H120, and it's got a lot more hardware functionality than the Gigabeat. |
| 08:44:54 | Llorean | The Gigabeat has a big shiny screen, but that's about it. |
| 08:45:11 | shoepainter | 20 hours |
| 08:45:16 | * | midgey wishes gigabeat had radio... |
| 08:45:26 | aliask | The gigabeat S does. |
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| 08:46:40 | Llorean | That still leave: Built in Mic, LCD remote, optical in/out, line in recording... |
| 08:46:57 | aliask | And rockbox :) |
| 08:47:00 | Llorean | For audio purposes I'm still quite fond of the H100 series. :) |
| 08:47:03 | shoepainter | Llorean do you want a cockie |
| 08:47:16 | LinusN | i love the h100 series |
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| 08:47:32 | ptw419 | just the fact that it has rockbox on it already makes it better *sigh* |
| 08:47:36 | midgey | yah, i really like my H300, i just need a new battery and I wish it was slightly smalled |
| 08:47:37 | LinusN | :-) |
| 08:47:39 | Llorean | shoepainter: My point is that saying something will be the "best" Rockbox target means it's got some very stiff competition to beat, and to most of the people who use Rockbox, a giant color screen isn't going to do it. ;) |
| 08:47:57 | Llorean | Or rather, to most of the people *in here* who use Rockobx |
| 08:48:10 | midgey | i be willing to give the best target award to the H100 (+RTC) |
| 08:48:14 | Llorean | To most of the people who use Rockbox, Doom and Rockboy might well be the only noticed features. |
| 08:48:18 | Alonea | Llorean: hey, on WinFF, when you add files, will it put those files in individual files or compile them all together? |
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| 08:48:38 | Llorean | Alonea: If you add like, 5 .avi files, it'll output 5 .mpg files in whatever folder you point it at. |
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| 08:48:51 | shoepainter | the h100 is olny 4gb |
| 08:49:02 | Llorean | shoepainter: Do better research, you're wrong. |
| 08:49:06 | Llorean | It's 10, 15, 20, or 40 |
| 08:49:07 | shoepainter | thats like 1% of my music collection |
| 08:49:09 | Alonea | Llorean: ok, good. I want to sleep and just have it convert the rest of these. night all! |
| 08:49:15 | Llorean | Alonea: It's good for that |
| 08:49:22 | ptw419 | aliask do you know anything about disassembly and asm? |
| 08:49:40 | Alonea | Llorean: i bet. its almost 2 am...have class in morning. |
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| 08:50:02 | LinusN | shoepainter: my h100 is 40gb |
| 08:50:04 | aliask | ptw419: Not really, I started trying to learn it, but decided it was probably beyond me. |
| 08:50:54 | shoepainter | correction: h100 is not olny 4gb |
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| 08:51:09 | bluebrother | the h100 was 10GB |
| 08:51:09 | LinusN | in fact you can't find an h100 with less than 10 |
| 08:51:16 | ptw419 | well then i guess trying to figure out this V update will be some fun ... |
| 08:51:27 | * | bluebrother loves his h120 |
| 08:51:32 | * | Llorean loves his h120 |
| 08:51:33 | aliask | ptw419: V update? |
| 08:51:52 | shoepainter | correction: I did not have sexual relations with that woman |
| 08:51:53 | GodEater_ | whole lot of loving of inanimate objects this morning |
| 08:52:09 | LinusN | GodEater: scary, eh? |
| 08:52:27 | GodEater_ | yep |
| 08:52:42 | GodEater_ | I'm merely affectionate towards mine :) |
| 08:52:50 | shoepainter | inanimate means material things right? |
| 08:52:55 | ptw419 | there is a Gigabeat V firmware updater. the Gigabeat V uses the same firmware as the S |
| 08:53:00 | Llorean | Inanimate means "doesn't move, or has no animating force" |
| 08:53:18 | bluebrother | hmm. The harddisk spins ;-) |
| 08:53:30 | shoepainter | the screen shines |
| 08:53:49 | bluebrother | hehe |
| 08:54:02 | bluebrother | maybe it's even shining happier since the player is running Rockbox? |
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| 08:54:26 | aliask | ptw419: There's also the Zen Vision: M updater which uses nk.bin too |
| 08:54:54 | shoepainter | weel you guy do your thing cuz i dont know shit about programming |
| 08:55:37 | ptw419 | but i don't think the Zen Vision M uses the same firmware does it? |
| 08:55:53 | Llorean | ptw419: Many players use .mi4 files, but not the same firmware |
| 08:56:07 | Llorean | ptw419: nk.bin is a Windows CE file |
| 08:56:25 | aliask | ptw419: No, but I doubt the V uses the same firmware, only the same firmware type |
| 08:56:30 | Llorean | Or windows embedded. |
| 08:56:49 | Llorean | Which at least the Gigabeat S, and I would assume V, have their firmware based off of. |
| 08:57:05 | ptw419 | well not the exact firmware. |
| 08:57:11 | ptw419 | But very very similar |
| 08:57:53 | shoepainter | goodnight and goodluck |
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| 08:57:57 | ptw419 | if you looked at what the V runs and the what the S runs you probably wouldn't know the diff |
| 08:58:39 | aliask | ptw419: But the hardware components, and thus the drivers for them, will be different |
| 08:58:43 | Llorean | ptw419: That just suggests the UI is the same. If you look at what an iPod and an iRiver look like in Rockbox, you wouldn't know the difference either from screenshots alone. :) |
| 08:59:20 | ptw419 | true |
| 08:59:49 | JdGordon | anyone know how to get the cwd in a c program? |
| 09:00 |
| 09:00:00 | JdGordon | in linux |
| 09:00:04 | ptw419 | would it still be worth a shot to analyze the updatr still? |
| 09:00:25 | GodEater_ | JdGordon: getcwd() |
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| 09:00:40 | JdGordon | cheers :) |
| 09:00:44 | JdGordon | and clear the console? |
| 09:00:55 | bluebrother | JdGordon: apropos is a helpful command in that case ;-) |
| 09:00:57 | Llorean | ptw419: As far as I'm concerned, new information is never a bad thing |
| 09:01:05 | GodEater_ | tougher - that depends on what the console is |
| 09:01:16 | JdGordon | ok, dw then |
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| 09:01:56 | bluebrother | Ctrl-L ;-) (but that's not from a program but the terminal ...) |
| 09:02:15 | GodEater_ | JdGordon: there is a clear(), but it's a curses function |
| 09:02:21 | GodEater_ | not sure if that's what you need or not |
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| 09:11:33 | preglow | Slasheri: why do we need the ability to kill threads? |
| 09:13:10 | LinusN | i wonder that too |
| 09:13:28 | pondlife | Is it just for threads to kill themselves? |
| 09:13:35 | pondlife | That seems to happen. |
| 09:13:43 | GodEater_ | threadseppuku() |
| 09:14:16 | preglow | i can't see the any good reason for that to be in a user build. threads that run do so for a reason |
| 09:14:33 | scorche | GodEater: but that is only for the honorable ones....we have threadharikari() for the dishonorable threads ;) |
| 09:14:44 | GodEater_ | and they should all be well behaved enough not to need killing |
| 09:14:48 | GodEater_ | scorche: :) |
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| 09:15:41 | GodEater_ | scorche: I think they're the same thing aren't they (wikipedia seems to think so anyway) |
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| 09:17:13 | scorche | GodEater_: it depends on the area i suppose... |
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| 09:18:52 | Slasheri | preglow: that was just a fancy feature, might not be very useful.. but feel remove that with something better, for example detailed thread statistics |
| 09:19:12 | scorche | GodEater_: while they dont allude to it in the summary, if you read forward, they mention just the execution as a hara-kiri....but perhaps we should move to PM ;) |
| 09:19:30 | GodEater_ | scorche: lets not - it's too gruesome for this time of the morning ;) |
| 09:19:34 | pondlife | lol |
| 09:20:30 | * | pondlife whistles and thinks about thread stats in the sim... |
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| 09:21:44 | markun | Slasheri: I would love to see the amount of time spent in eacht thread (and in idle) |
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| 09:22:07 | Slasheri | markun: i have thought about that as well, would be quite easy to implement |
| 09:22:20 | pondlife | Boost % per thread? |
| 09:22:21 | Slasheri | however, cpu usage is harder because cpu can be boosted at times |
| 09:22:29 | markun | Slasheri: do we have some way of timing that accurate? |
| 09:22:31 | Slasheri | that's difficult to implement |
| 09:22:48 | JdGordon | but not so easy to display..... remember if we allow the lines to scrol in the debug screen we cant update the thread names properly |
| 09:23:15 | Slasheri | markun: we can approximate that, it doesn't need to be so exact |
| 09:23:16 | pondlife | Short and cryptic thread names then |
| 09:23:18 | * | JdGordon thinks changing thread prio is someting which would be nice in the debug screen |
| 09:23:35 | preglow | slasheri: just thinking we should drop fancy features with no good use until the people who are struggling to get the binary size down have succeeded, heh |
| 09:23:52 | pondlife | JdGordon: Urgh - I'd be happy to view only |
| 09:24:03 | markun | Slasheri: one of the reasons for wanting this feature is because the Gigabeat doesn't boost, so I can't tell how well everything runs. |
| 09:24:12 | Slasheri | preglow: hmm, maybe true. but then the whole debug menu should be drop for normal builds |
| 09:24:47 | preglow | also a point, heh |
| 09:25:00 | preglow | but some parts of it are nice for error diagnostics |
| 09:25:02 | pondlife | I kind of agree, but it can be useful diagnosing user problems |
| 09:25:07 | pondlife | :) |
| 09:25:18 | preglow | killing a thread doesn't really help with that |
| 09:25:24 | pondlife | Nope |
| 09:25:49 | Slasheri | you never know :) |
| 09:26:03 | markun | Slasheri: so, do you think you will give this a try when you have some time? |
| 09:26:18 | Slasheri | for example if codec thread would have some problem and it's eating almost all cpu, killing that would help |
| 09:26:32 | Slasheri | markun: i think so |
| 09:26:52 | markun | ok, thanks |
| 09:27:03 | pondlife | Codec thread shouldn't have such a problem.. and it might make the UI unusable anyway |
| 09:27:08 | JdGordon | Slasheri: this stuff should only be compiled for logf builds imo |
| 09:27:45 | Slasheri | pondlife: but any thread could have such an issue. And killing threads one by one, one might be able to debug that better :) |
| 09:28:05 | Slasheri | JdGordon: that sounds better |
| 09:28:18 | pondlife | If we have a usable UI, it's good enough just to see the timing perhaps? |
| 09:28:38 | Slasheri | indeed |
| 09:28:39 | pondlife | Killing threads is surely going to upset other parts of Rockbox |
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| 09:28:59 | pondlife | Queues will start to overflow all over the place.. :) |
| 09:29:19 | * | pondlife still thinks a queue overflow should panic |
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| 09:29:44 | * | JdGordon thinks he agrees |
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| 09:30:05 | preglow | of course they should |
| 09:30:31 | preglow | just silently ignoring the condition will do absolutely no good |
| 09:30:42 | crop | He-he. Threads are killed by pressing SELECT. Isn't it too dangerous? OK, that menu is generally dangerous but SELECT is a natural action... |
| 09:30:45 | pondlife | Which is what we currently do IIRC |
| 09:31:17 | preglow | crop: also a good point... |
| 09:31:27 | pondlife | Long select, with confirmation? |
| 09:31:35 | preglow | i'd just like the option to be removed |
| 09:31:54 | preglow | threads in rockbox are too dependent on each other for killing one to make any sense |
| 09:32:25 | * | pondlife imagines new and interesting bug reports |
| 09:32:38 | crop | preglow: at least with confirmation. And possibly some key combination, i.e. not a single key. |
| 09:33:03 | preglow | confirmation will just eat more valuable space which is better used for other things |
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| 09:33:26 | preglow | if we are ever to get rombox back, we need to let the binary shrinking people do their thing |
| 09:33:37 | crop | preglow: true |
| 09:33:45 | pondlife | So just remove the feature. |
| 09:34:02 | Slasheri | removed from standard builds, now only on logf build |
| 09:34:32 | crop | preglow: yes, killing a thread is dangerous. What does it bring? The possibility to see how RB will react? Pure interest. |
| 09:35:11 | preglow | goodie |
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| 09:36:03 | preglow | crop: i'm not saying it won't be fun, just that it wasted space for no gain in other builds ;) |
| 09:36:22 | preglow | but now it's logf only |
| 09:37:02 | crop | preglow: ok |
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| 09:40:57 | pondlife | Does GCC combine multiple bools in a struct into bits within a byte to save memory? |
| 09:41:33 | pondlife | i.e. Would "bool a; bool b; bool c;" use 1 or 3 bytes? |
| 09:42:16 | preglow | 3 |
| 09:42:24 | preglow | it doesn't bitpack unless you explicitely ask for it to |
| 09:42:33 | pondlife | Ah, maybe we should be doing some of that then. |
| 09:42:45 | pondlife | Or using a byte and masks. |
| 09:42:57 | preglow | JdGordon: did that commit fix all the plugins that used the old menu api? |
| 09:43:06 | std|denis | hello |
| 09:43:13 | preglow | pondlife: to save space, you mean? |
| 09:43:13 | midgey | no, i didnt touch a few |
| 09:43:16 | JdGordon | preglow: which? |
| 09:43:43 | midgey | solitaire, copter, and wormlet i think still need "converting" |
| 09:43:50 | midgey | chopper* |
| 09:43:57 | preglow | midgey: okies |
| 09:44:14 | JdGordon | midgey: nice work :) makes menus a bit easier doesnt it :) |
| 09:44:26 | midgey | it does :) |
| 09:44:47 | midgey | they still use set_opt() and set_int though... |
| 09:45:02 | pondlife | preglow: Yes |
| 09:45:06 | JdGordon | thats ok |
| 09:45:08 | std|denis | i found that rockbox sourcecode full of deadlock code :( |
| 09:45:36 | std|denis | maybe not "deadlock", but surely unproof for bad input |
| 09:45:36 | markun | std|denis: fix it fix it fix it |
| 09:45:53 | midgey | JdGordon: well, if we ever plan on removing the old menu code completely, that will have to be changed |
| 09:45:57 | std|denis | am i right, that read(..) returns 0 at EOF? |
| 09:46:20 | preglow | pondlife: that'd save space in the struct, sure, but the code that accesses it would be plenty bigger to compensate |
| 09:46:41 | pondlife | Ah, I thought GCC might be clever enough. No mind then. |
| 09:46:45 | JdGordon | midgey: no, 2 seperate "modules"... the use in the menu is a space saver... |
| 09:46:47 | preglow | pondlife: gcc clever??? |
| 09:46:51 | pondlife | :) |
| 09:46:58 | std|denis | markun: maybe i'm going wrong? :) that's why i want to get clear |
| 09:47:15 | pondlife | So it's best to use individual entries for bools? |
| 09:47:23 | preglow | pondlife: for everything |
| 09:47:28 | midgey | JdGordon: ok |
| 09:47:53 | preglow | pondlife: if we start messing with bitfields and stuff, gcc has to mask out the values it needs when reading and writing, that code will use more space than you gained in the struct itself |
| 09:47:55 | markun | std|denis: well, maybe you can just fix one of them, show us a patch and ask what we think about it |
| 09:48:02 | preglow | pondlife: there's no clever way to work around that |
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| 09:48:21 | pondlife | preglow: Thanks. I'm an ASM hacker and have a habit of using one status byte rather than 8 bools... will not do that in Rockbox! |
| 09:48:51 | preglow | that is, for bools it could be done faster |
| 09:48:56 | preglow | but not ints or other stuff |
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| 09:49:33 | pondlife | I prefer not to merge bools into bytes (for readability), but would have done so if it saved overall space. |
| 09:49:46 | pondlife | Don't want to upset amiconn. |
| 09:51:49 | preglow | definitely would have killed some readability for us |
| 09:51:53 | preglow | and probably, knowing gcc, not be smaller |
| 09:52:14 | * | preglow wonders what libtool has to do with nested functions |
| 09:52:21 | preglow | wouldn't making nested funtions static fix that? |
| 09:53:05 | scorche | <jcortega> lh said april 4th (at the latest) was when orgs will be told allocations |
| 09:53:18 | scorche | just an FYI for those mentors out there ;) |
| 09:54:11 | midgey | preglow: i didn't try that, mac tends to be weird with certain things |
| 09:54:39 | midgey | thats just what hardeep mentioned on the mailing list, when i enabled nested functions all sorts of bad things happened |
| 09:55:52 | JdGordon | scorche: ? we are told how many students we can accept? |
| 09:56:02 | JdGordon | out of our submissions? |
| 09:56:32 | pondlife | Well, Google has to control their expenditure :) |
| 09:56:33 | std|denis | markun: http://pastebin.ca/413247 |
| 09:57:28 | Llorean | JdGordon: Yeah, at or before the 4th, we'll be told how many we get to accept |
| 09:57:28 | scorche | JdGordon: yes |
| 09:57:51 | scorche | then it is just publically announced ont he 11th |
| 09:58:56 | JdGordon | cool |
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| 09:59:17 | JdGordon | so, I geuss we'll be having a private meeting between them to decide? |
| 10:00 |
| 10:00:16 | scorche | well, i am sure that something like that will happen, but in this case, i am not part of the "we" =/ |
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| 10:03:50 | Llorean | JdGordon: What I'd like is for all the Mentors to weigh in on every application. |
| 10:03:56 | Llorean | Even if it means just putting a 0 to say "I don't care" |
| 10:04:35 | JdGordon | Ive been doing no comment for the dont care... but your right |
| 10:05:02 | Llorean | A 0 shows us that the score is a case of people actually not being interested, rather than just a case of not having read it yet, or not having done it yet. |
| 10:05:41 | LinusN | pondlife: storing bools as bitmasks tend to increase code space, not save it |
| 10:06:30 | pondlife | Don't worry, I've been convinced well.. |
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| 10:17:59 | markun | std|denis: I have to go now, will take a look later |
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| 10:30:01 | tucoz | bluebrother, hi :) |
| 10:30:21 | tucoz | bluebrother, do you remember what the simple solution to get the manual to build on a vanilla ubuntu was? |
| 10:31:20 | tucoz | I changed the symling /bin/sh to point to /bin/bash instead of /bin/dash |
| 10:31:24 | tucoz | symlink |
| 10:32:09 | tucoz | but you could set a environment variable in the makefiles to do this as well iirc. Like SHELL=/bin/bash . Am i right? |
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| 10:44:58 | bluebrother | tucoz: hi |
| 10:45:08 | tucoz | hi |
| 10:45:37 | tucoz | i think the guy with the sokoban changes runs ubuntu so i just wanted to answer him |
| 10:45:42 | bluebrother | it's SHELL iirc |
| 10:46:56 | tucoz | but i guess we should add the SHELL variable to the Makefiles in any case. Especially since Ubuntu is one of the most popular distributions now |
| 10:47:23 | bluebrother | that dash thing can get quite annoying :( |
| 10:47:40 | bluebrother | maybe I should setup an ubuntu box in a virtual machine and test myself |
| 10:48:00 | linuxstb | Didn't we discuss this in the past and come up with a solution? I just forget what that solution was... |
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| 10:48:02 | bluebrother | but the scripts should be dash-safe afaik. |
| 10:48:28 | bluebrother | I think the solution was "make the scripts not rely on bash" |
| 10:48:47 | bluebrother | unless they explicitly point to bash |
| 10:49:12 | tucoz | it was bash's echo that was the problem i think |
| 10:50:30 | tucoz | I think we should add the shell variable to the Makefiles. |
| 10:51:01 | linuxstb | Does the manual build require Perl? |
| 10:51:26 | tucoz | Or could we perhaps do some magic in the configure script? like check for bash? |
| 10:51:46 | tucoz | linuxstb, yes. the credits section, at least, require perl |
| 10:52:03 | linuxstb | Then maybe use perl instead of echo? |
| 10:52:25 | tucoz | The standard rockbox builds also require perl, right? |
| 10:52:42 | linuxstb | Yes, I'm sure they do. |
| 10:52:54 | XavierGr | anyone feeling to fix the annoying filetype string buffer splash in H100 boot? |
| 10:53:05 | linuxstb | e.g. buildzip.pl - to make the final zip file |
| 10:53:10 | tucoz | yep |
| 10:53:15 | linuxstb | (and wpsbuild.pl) |
| 10:53:26 | tucoz | then we do not have to rely on shell, but on perl, and that is better imo |
| 10:53:40 | XavierGr | apps/filetypes.c line 59 (probably needs increasing the #define STRING_BUFFER_SIZE) |
| 10:53:58 | linuxstb | Well, Perl will be slower than a the shell, but IIRC, it's just one place we need to swap echo with perl. |
| 10:53:59 | bluebrother | wasn't configure perl too? |
| 10:54:09 | linuxstb | No, configure is a shell script. |
| 10:54:20 | bluebrother | ah, ok. Then I mixed it up |
| 10:54:35 | * | bluebrother starts to remember the issue |
| 10:55:07 | linuxstb | XavierGr: What do you increase it to? |
| 10:55:32 | preglow | oh, how i hate linux audio editors |
| 10:56:29 | linuxstb | XavierGr: I don't understand that code at all - any idea what information it's storing in that buffer? |
| 10:59:58 | bluebrother | some extension - file icon - viewer mapping |
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| 11:00:03 | bluebrother | don't know the details though |
| 11:00:56 | linuxstb | I wonder if it could be allocated from the audio buffer, instead of statically... |
| 11:01:24 | bluebrother | sounds reasonable. |
| 11:01:33 | lex | hey |
| 11:01:46 | lex | do you have any idea why my rockbox freezes after i reboot it again after the first boot |
| 11:01:51 | lex | it just freezes into the splash screen |
| 11:01:53 | JdGordon | linuxstb: doing that means you slow down the boot... |
| 11:02:20 | lex | and yes, i'm using the official build |
| 11:02:27 | tucoz | bluebrother, linuxstb, i added a bug report http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6919 so that we remember it :) |
| 11:03:40 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Yes, I'm just looking to see where it's called - seems it's in browse_root(), which is called on boot anyway... |
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| 11:05:14 | JdGordon | linuxstb: browse_root() should actually be split up and then you could call this buffer allocation stuff before auio_init.... |
| 11:05:24 | JdGordon | browse_root no longer actuallly does that :p |
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| 11:06:46 | linuxstb | Yes, shouldn't browse_root be called something like init_browser now? |
| 11:07:05 | bluebrother | tucoz: see my comment on that task :) |
| 11:07:07 | lex | linuxstb: any idea? :( |
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| 11:07:33 | linuxstb | lex: Are you running the very latest build of Rockbox? |
| 11:07:37 | lex | linuxstb: yes |
| 11:07:40 | * | bluebrother dislikes this "root" in the sources anyway. |
| 11:07:41 | tucoz | bluebrother, great :) |
| 11:07:48 | lex | linuxstb: i had the same problem when i tried it about two weeks ago |
| 11:07:54 | tucoz | but i can't test right now |
| 11:08:01 | linuxstb | lex: When did you download Rockbox? |
| 11:08:07 | lex | about two hours ago |
| 11:08:11 | linuxstb | And which URL? |
| 11:08:11 | bluebrother | tucoz: I will try to make it nicer later ... got work to do |
| 11:08:17 | lex | could it be the bootloader, because it's quite old |
| 11:08:27 | bluebrother | *sic* |
| 11:08:30 | tucoz | bluebrother, good. |
| 11:09:19 | linuxstb | lex: Yes, it could be the bootloader - you should try upgrading that. |
| 11:09:29 | lex | yeah... |
| 11:09:31 | lex | i'll try it |
| 11:09:54 | obo | JdGordon: I've seen "Save Failed" and "No Partition?" appear a few times - they come from settings_save in apps/settings.c, when the register_ata_idle_func fails - does MAX_ATA_CALLBACKS need to be increased? |
| 11:10:27 | JdGordon | i doubt it... |
| 11:10:45 | JdGordon | only 2 things use that iirc |
| 11:10:52 | JdGordon | settings_save() and rebuffering |
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| 11:11:40 | obo | JdGordon: and the scrobbler code... |
| 11:12:14 | JdGordon | whats MAX_ATA_CALLBACKS defined as currently? |
| 11:12:20 | obo | 5 |
| 11:12:35 | JdGordon | so it should be fine... |
| 11:12:51 | lex | linuxstb: can i just change the bootloader just with the way it should be installed with |
| 11:12:59 | lex | because the bootloader is installed by the old way |
| 11:13:03 | lex | make_fw i mean |
| 11:13:17 | Llorean | lex: Yeah, ipodpatcher should work fine. |
| 11:13:21 | lex | great |
| 11:13:41 | obo | JdGordon: I don't know what else would cause those 2 messages to appear |
| 11:13:52 | lex | Llorean: but how can i install loader 2, because i like that more :o |
| 11:14:59 | JdGordon | obo: Ill try to look later, busy doing assignments atm |
| 11:15:27 | Llorean | lex: Use iPodPatcher's advanced functions. ipodpatcher −−help in a terminal window, you want to add a binary bootloader I believe. |
| 11:15:38 | lex | yeah, i just found that part |
| 11:15:51 | lex | and the last question, where to find a compiled new loader 2? :) |
| 11:15:53 | obo | JdGordon: no worries - thanks! |
| 11:16:16 | lex | found it |
| 11:16:46 | lex | i just realized one thing... :( |
| 11:16:51 | lex | i'm at school and i can't access cmd here |
| 11:17:22 | scorche | did they also block command.com? |
| 11:17:29 | scorche | (a lot of admins forget that one too) |
| 11:17:40 | lex | yes they did :( |
| 11:17:50 | Llorean | lex: Questions about where to find loader2 should never really be asked here anyway, it's not our software. |
| 11:18:19 | lex | yes :< |
| 11:18:31 | lex | but it's just so much better but |
| 11:18:37 | lex | is rockbox's loader gonna be graphical some day? |
| 11:18:46 | linuxstb | No, it's now completely silent. |
| 11:18:52 | lex | or is it just to boot rockbox, because you don't support apple os? :o |
| 11:19:08 | linuxstb | Just turn the hold switch on when you're booting to start appleos. |
| 11:19:20 | linuxstb | It's really not that hard... |
| 11:19:23 | lex | scorche: yay |
| 11:19:36 | lex | scorche: it worked, i thought it wouldn't, thanks :p |
| 11:19:43 | Llorean | lex: The Rockbox loader's job is to get you into Rockbox as quickly and silently as possible. |
| 11:19:52 | lex | yeah |
| 11:20:03 | Llorean | lex: But it also supports loading iPL and Apple OS |
| 11:20:05 | scorche | lex: next time dont just dismiss me with a supposed "yes" ;) |
| 11:20:24 | lex | :p |
| 11:20:25 | Llorean | linuxstb: Did you have any idea what's causing that 10fps file to play back extra fast? |
| 11:20:43 | linuxstb | Not yet... Something odd is happening though. |
| 11:22:48 | lex | scorche: but i can't access the ipod, permission denied :( |
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| 11:23:19 | scorche | lex: you win some, you lose some...we could go into it further, but this really isnt the place for it |
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| 11:23:26 | linuxstb | lex: Yes, you need admin writes to run ipodpatcher. |
| 11:23:30 | lex | i see |
| 11:23:32 | linuxstb | s/writes/rights/ |
| 11:23:38 | lex | maybe i'll just need to do it at home |
| 11:24:53 | Stalwart | i have problems with latest build for nano |
| 11:24:57 | Stalwart | it hangs a lot |
| 11:25:27 | Stalwart | ah, there are updates available... |
| 11:25:31 | * | Stalwart updates |
| 11:27:56 | Llorean | linuxstb: WinFF seems to be simple enough that I just pointed a couple people from the anythingbutipod forums at it, and they managed to use it. |
| 11:28:27 | Stalwart | what's up with nano? it hangs a lot when using database |
| 11:28:32 | Stalwart | multithreading issue? |
| 11:30:15 | Stalwart | latest build has choppy gui ;[ |
| 11:30:45 | Stalwart | go go rockbox team! |
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| 11:34:35 | markun | Stalwart: people were complaining that the UI was too slick, so we slowed it down a bit :) |
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| 11:43:15 | Stalwart | markun: did they also complain about buggy volume control? |
| 11:44:16 | Llorean | Stalwart: You're running the latest official build, not a daily? |
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| 11:45:54 | markun | Stalwart: nah, I have no idea what's wrong with the UI and volume control. Did both work fine before? |
| 11:49:52 | Stalwart | Llorean: i take builds from http://build.rockbox.org/ |
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| 11:50:12 | Stalwart | markun: volume control is buggy for a while already |
| 11:50:28 | Stalwart | it may adjust volume, it may not, it may be choppy or smooth... |
| 11:51:12 | Stalwart | i heard it's multicore targets problem, but afaik multicore is disabled in current build, but volume control is still buggy |
| 11:51:37 | Stalwart | i saw sansa 250 in shop today - looks nice ;) |
| 11:53:14 | lachlan | hey Godeater, any progress with the linux rbutil? |
| 11:53:31 | lachlan | GodEater* |
| 11:54:07 | Stalwart | what's rbutil? |
| 11:54:20 | solexx_ | Is there a way to tell which rockbox image (RAM, ROM, disk) I am running? |
| 11:54:45 | solexx_ | (iriver h120) |
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| 11:56:23 | lachlan | Stalwart: it is a program for installing and updating Rockbox accross the various targets |
| 11:56:48 | lachlan | I think it has some other functions as well, although I'm not aware of them |
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| 11:57:41 | BigBambi | Keymap question: I want to switch select and power on the gigabeat as they are swapped compared to the H1x0 and thus confuse me (i.e. on H1x0 navi goes to filetree, and play/pause plays/pauses, but on gigabeat select plays/pauses and power goes to file tree). |
| 11:58:07 | BigBambi | I've found the place in the keymap file, but do I just change the middle section, i.e. button_select | button_rel? |
| 11:58:12 | BigBambi | Or is there more |
| 11:58:14 | XavierGr | linuxstb: 620 I think will cover sims and H100 with rvf added to viewers.config (maybe less without rvf which isn't added on svn) |
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| 11:59:43 | Stalwart | lachlan: it's gui or commandline? |
| 11:59:58 | Stalwart | i have little experience in PyQt4 coding |
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| 12:00:09 | linuxstb | XavierGr: I think I would like to investigate making the allocation dynamic - so we don't have this problem again. |
| 12:00:14 | lachlan | Its GUI and also cross platform |
| 12:00:49 | solexx | Nevermind, I noticed the boot menu tells you whether it could boot from the selected entry. |
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| 12:02:59 | BigBambi | Would changing e.g. { ACTION_WPS_PLAY, BUTTON_SELECT|BUTTON_REL, BUTTON_SELECT }, to { ACTION_WPS_PLAY, BUTTON_POWER|BUTTON_REL, BUTTON_POWER }, be correct? |
| 12:03:48 | LinusN | guess so |
| 12:03:58 | LinusN | BigBambi: fiy, that has annoyed me too :-) |
| 12:04:06 | LinusN | fyi, even |
| 12:04:33 | BigBambi | Haha :) It's beacuse the buttons are almost in the same place but do the opposite thing. So instead of getting annoyed I've decided to fix it! |
| 12:05:32 | BigBambi | What I'm not sure about in the keymap is what the third item in the line does - the keymap file says prereq button code, but I don't know what that means! |
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| 12:08:18 | JdGordon | BigBambi: thats the button code which must have been the one before the middle column or that action wont be triggered... |
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| 12:09:55 | BigBambi | JdGordon: OK. So why does ACTION_WPS_PLAY require that select has been the last button pressed before pressing select (for instance) |
| 12:09:56 | XavierGr | linuxstb: fine by me, I just checked out the error cause it pops up on every boot |
| 12:10:29 | BigBambi | (just curious!) |
| 12:11:55 | JdGordon | BigBambi: it requires SELECT before SELECT|REL because witout it, that action would be triggered when select is released after a long press... which isnt wanted |
| 12:12:27 | Llorean | JdGordon: That reminds me, long-press of Power on the gigabeat seems to do the same thing as Right or Select in the filetree |
| 12:12:37 | Llorean | JdGordon: on release, that is. |
| 12:12:54 | markun | Llorean: quite anoying :) |
| 12:12:57 | Llorean | JdGordon: It's rare that you release it, since it would normally shut down the player, but at the moment it's also mapped Power+Up/Down for pageup/pagedown |
| 12:13:10 | BigBambi | aha - thanks very much, that makes sense. Anyway, as I am just swapping two buttons I'll just copy what is already there :) I'll also stick a patch up for any others who are annoyed by the inconsistency between gigabeat and H1x0 |
| 12:13:13 | Llorean | So when you page to a file, on release, you activate the file |
| 12:16:04 | JdGordon | Llorean: most probably because of what i just explained :p |
| 12:16:13 | JdGordon | fix the prereq and you should be set |
| 12:16:36 | Llorean | JdGordon: Release of play should never invoke a file no matter what comes before it. :-P |
| 12:16:40 | JdGordon | anyone know how the enigma machine works? I need to code it up, but my uni website is down :'( |
| 12:16:42 | Llorean | Err, release of Power |
| 12:17:01 | * | JdGordon points Llorean to apps/keymaps/keymap-gigabeat.c |
| 12:17:42 | Llorean | Fine, fine. If nobody's done it by the time I've slept and can think clearly, and somebody reminds me, I'll try to knock out a slightly nicer keymap for the gigabeat. |
| 12:17:56 | linuxstb | I'm not sure how the gigabeat and h1x0 can be consistent - the h1x0 has PLAY/PAUSE/POWER, STOP and A-B, the gigabeat has POWER, MENU and A.... |
| 12:18:02 | Llorean | Anyone mind if I try to make the button behaviour slightly more similar to the H100/iPod equivalent buttons? |
| 12:18:32 | Llorean | linuxstb: Power is Stop on the H120 |
| 12:18:49 | linuxstb | It is? |
| 12:18:52 | Llorean | Yup |
| 12:19:06 | BigBambi | linuxstb: the buttons are in the same place though, and so it is much more natural to use the same ones |
| 12:19:12 | Llorean | So you have Power=Stop, A=Play/Pause, and Menu=A-B |
| 12:19:14 | markun | well, just switch A and POWER and I will be a lot happier already |
| 12:19:28 | BigBambi | I don't think select is any more natural to use select for pause than power |
| 12:19:38 | markun | BigBambi: I think that's just lazynes in your part to get used to a different button layout :) |
| 12:19:40 | BigBambi | and it is only in the WPS that the two are swapped relative to the H1x0 |
| 12:19:48 | Llorean | markun: That's mainly my suggestion. Switching A and Power, and making "A" resume playback, and the center of the cross take you out of the WPS when you tap it. |
| 12:20:02 | markun | Llorean: I don't agree with that last change |
| 12:20:06 | linuxstb | Llorean: "stop" seems to work as "stop" on my h1x0 |
| 12:20:14 | Llorean | linuxstb: Yes, and hold it down for 4 seconds |
| 12:20:21 | BigBambi | markun: :) I use both gigabeat and H1x0, and having two targets with almost identical button layout but different buttons doing different things is annoyong |
| 12:20:26 | BigBambi | brb: fire alarm |
| 12:20:36 | Llorean | markun: The H100 and the iPod use the "Select" button to get rid of the WPS so you see the filetree again. |
| 12:20:39 | markun | I think it works pretty well as a pause button |
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| 12:20:46 | linuxstb | Llorean: Ah, you mean "stop is power"... |
| 12:21:01 | Llorean | linuxstb: Ah, right, yes. |
| 12:21:04 | markun | Llorean: well, it's obviously not a H100 or iPod :) |
| 12:21:24 | Llorean | markun: Yeah, but it confuses users moving from one to the other. There's the same number of "buttons", but buttons work differently when you change screens. |
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| 12:21:25 | markun | BigBambi: I don't use my H120 so much anymore, maybe that's why I don't notice the problem |
| 12:21:58 | markun | I think the H100 button layout would have been different if the PLAY button wasn't called PLAY.. |
| 12:22:08 | Llorean | The center of the cross is the same as "Navi" during the filetree, but the same as Play/Pause during the WPS, if you came from an H100 |
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| 12:23:14 | markun | Llorean: well, it will be equally anoying for people who are used to the OF |
| 12:24:00 | linuxstb | markun: Then they can complain to Toshiba... ;) |
| 12:24:19 | BigBambi | markun: It isn't ideal anyway, but personally I prefer consistency across rb targets where possible |
| 12:24:29 | markun | BigBambi: I don't :) |
| 12:24:30 | XavierGr | too bad my F40 isn't here yet |
| 12:24:36 | XavierGr | then I could have a word on that |
| 12:24:48 | BigBambi | And given the similarity of buttons between gigabeat and H1x0 (whatever the labelling) I'd like them to be the same |
| 12:24:57 | BigBambi | but as I say, I'll change them for my local copy |
| 12:24:59 | markun | BigBambi: I think it's nice to have 1 button to switch to and from the WPS |
| 12:25:20 | BigBambi | markun: I agree, but the same button on different platforms |
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| 12:25:41 | BigBambi | btw: Fire alarm was a false alarm, but working in a chemistry department you can't be sure :) |
| 12:25:48 | XavierGr | well as an H100 user I would like my new toy to have around the same keymaps with H100 but I can understand that this might come to personal preferecne |
| 12:26:30 | BigBambi | XavierGr: If you like me are using H1x0 then gigabeat I gurantee you will find it annoying, especially as they are only swapped in some places, not all |
| 12:26:49 | Llorean | markun: I just don't see the benefit of mimicing the original firmware. "Play" resumes playback. It makes sense that it invokes the WPS when it does this |
| 12:26:56 | XavierGr | markun: so the center buttons doesn't select or bring the context menu? |
| 12:26:57 | Llorean | So, it should also invoke the WPS if playback is already running. |
| 12:27:07 | Llorean | And it should resume playback if the WPS is running, but music is paused |
| 12:27:19 | BigBambi | Llorean: completely agree :) |
| 12:27:19 | markun | Llorean: yes, I agree that it's logical for the H1xx |
| 12:27:33 | BigBambi | markun: it is also logical for gigabeat imo |
| 12:27:51 | markun | but the Gigabeat doesn't have a play button |
| 12:27:58 | XavierGr | I will have to agree that it will be a bit akward for H100 users at least to have the same button to do different things on both targets |
| 12:28:04 | Llorean | markun: Yes, but that doesn't mean we can't just make the A button be "Play" |
| 12:28:08 | markun | It's not the same button |
| 12:28:16 | Llorean | markun: Just because you're lacking a button labelled "Play" doesn't mean it can't do the function. |
| 12:28:28 | BigBambi | So why not at least be consistent with which one it is as llorean said. Whichever button you choose as play, make it at least self consistent |
| 12:28:50 | Llorean | markun: Why is it beneficial to have the gigabeat be contrary to most of the other software codec targets? |
| 12:29:18 | markun | I just think it's a good button layout, regardless of what the other targets do |
| 12:29:18 | Llorean | It could just be that I'm missing your point as to why it should be that way |
| 12:29:46 | markun | I think it's strange to leave the WPS with select and enter it again with A |
| 12:29:50 | BigBambi | markun - it'd be equally good with power and select swapped in the wps and would be consistent with other targets |
| 12:29:55 | Llorean | markun: And I don't think it's a good one. So, that's preference vs. preference. Now bring out objective reasoning. |
| 12:30:37 | Llorean | markun: Leaving the WPS with select allows you to insert/queue songs starting from the WPS without ever removing your thumb from the cross. |
| 12:30:43 | XavierGr | llorean do you have a gigeabeat? |
| 12:30:47 | Llorean | XavierGr: Yes |
| 12:31:01 | Llorean | markun: It makes navigation significantly easier one-handed. |
| 12:31:04 | XavierGr | then I guess you know what you are talking about those keymaps :P |
| 12:31:27 | Llorean | XavierGr: I had to learn a new keymap by experimentation when I first picked up the gigabeat because it was different from the other swcodecs. |
| 12:31:41 | Llorean | There aren't many differences, but they're just significant enough to cause a small amount of confusion at first. |
| 12:31:54 | XavierGr | yes It would have been pretty strange if you are used to the other targets |
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| 12:33:02 | BigBambi | Llorean, XavierGr, markun As I use both gigabeat and H1x0 regularly it still confuses me :) |
| 12:33:23 | markun | btw, the cross center used to bring you to the browser from the WPS, but we changed it :) |
| 12:33:34 | BigBambi | markun: it should be changed back |
| 12:33:37 | BigBambi | imo |
| 12:33:55 | Llorean | markun: That was before you were in SVN/CVS though, right? |
| 12:34:01 | markun | probably |
| 12:34:12 | Llorean | I don't remember seeing a commit on that, at least. |
| 12:34:19 | Llorean | And I know it's been that way since I got my gigabeat. |
| 12:34:36 | Llorean | So, really, it was a bunch of people who were primarily used to the original firmware who chose this. |
| 12:34:40 | XavierGr | hmm I thought that center button goes from wps to browser now too |
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| 12:34:50 | Llorean | XavierGr: Not on Gigabeat. |
| 12:35:08 | markun | XavierGr: there is pauses playback |
| 12:35:21 | XavierGr | ah so it IS inconsistent with the other targets... :P |
| 12:35:28 | BigBambi | XavierGr: that is what causes my confusion - whilst in WPS centre of cross and power are swapped |
| 12:35:33 | Llorean | XavierGr: There's no question that it's not inconsistent |
| 12:35:41 | Llorean | It's just a question of whether that inconsistency is a good thing or a bad thing |
| 12:35:51 | XavierGr | ah yes I would be completely confused by that keymap |
| 12:36:11 | BigBambi | XavierGr: :) I'm just doing a patch for it I'll point you too |
| 12:36:37 | XavierGr | well a new comer without other rockboxed devices experience wouldn't notice the difference but a heavy rockbox user will be daunted by it |
| 12:36:55 | XavierGr | BigBambi: thanks, but I don't have my F40 yet :P |
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| 12:37:24 | BigBambi | That is when I figure out the how to use diff :) |
| 12:37:30 | XavierGr | heh |
| 12:37:35 | Llorean | markun: I also like having Pause be mapped to something that I can feel for in my pocket without accidentally changing the volume, seeking, or skipping tracks. |
| 12:37:43 | Llorean | Finding the center of the cross, I can easily trigger those on accident. |
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| 12:38:48 | markun | ah, maybe you guys are right.. |
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| 12:39:21 | BigBambi | markun: you know we are :) |
| 12:39:24 | markun | or.. I can just keep reverting the commit until I loose my commit rights :) |
| 12:39:30 | XavierGr | markun: do you have an H100? |
| 12:39:34 | markun | XavierGr: yes |
| 12:39:36 | markun | H120 |
| 12:39:46 | XavierGr | and how do you cope with the both of these keymaps? |
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| 12:40:06 | XavierGr | don't you get confused by it? |
| 12:40:28 | JdGordon | anyone know what the purpose of filetypes.c is? |
| 12:41:00 | markun | XavierGr: I didn't use my iriver for quite a while after we had sound on the Gigabeat |
| 12:41:01 | XavierGr | to store supported filetypes on viewers.config and know which files are under which category I guess |
| 12:41:16 | XavierGr | (like supported, music etc) |
| 12:42:04 | XavierGr | markun: try to use your H100 after all this time and then you might see what Llorean and BigBambi say about it |
| 12:42:15 | Llorean | XavierGr: It's really not that confusing, overall |
| 12:42:36 | Llorean | But I think the benefits of keeping it consistent are real, plus as I mentioned, right now feeling blindly for a pause button can have bad side effects. |
| 12:42:44 | BigBambi | It's OK, but I have to think about it. I press the wrong button, think, oh damn, then do it right |
| 12:42:46 | XavierGr | well I would find myself pausing instead of going to browser after all this time with my H100 |
| 12:42:59 | BigBambi | XavierGr: Yeah, I still do it all the time |
| 12:43:06 | XavierGr | then curse a bit and then press the right button :) |
| 12:43:10 | Llorean | XavierGr: I did that for about the first week, and still do every now and then. |
| 12:43:32 | XavierGr | I still curse when I cancel settings by pressing left heh |
| 12:43:57 | markun | Llorean: btw, I was thinking that the side buttons don't need to be disabled with HOLD on, what do you think? |
| 12:44:13 | markun | They are pretty hard to press |
| 12:44:17 | Llorean | markun: I think all buttons should be disabled with hold on, as that's a common expectation of hold. |
| 12:44:42 | Llorean | markun: Though I've lately been thinking that some targets could have a choice for hold |
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| 12:45:06 | Llorean | markun: Like, Gigabeat could be "All, Cross, None", and the Sansa could be "All, All but center, None" |
| 12:45:23 | markun | btw, could the person updating the keymap also add volume control to the other screens? |
| 12:45:48 | markun | Llorean: Yes, something like that sounds good |
| 12:46:19 | Llorean | markun: It definitely needs to default to "all", because most users are going to think something is broken if Hold doesn't hold all buttons, and file bug reports without checking the manual. :) |
| 12:46:54 | Llorean | But on targets where hold is a software feature, I don't really see why it shouldn't be a _little_ bit flexible. |
| 12:47:03 | BigBambi | OK, very simple to line patch to swap power and select in the WPS http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6920 |
| 12:47:07 | BigBambi | to/two |
| 12:47:26 | BigBambi | Hopefully (it is my first ever and is likely to have loads of wrong line endings etc!) |
| 12:48:32 | markun | BigBambi: I think you will be anoyed by the A/POWER swap.. |
| 12:48:44 | Llorean | BigBambi: I nothing's happened with it by the time I'm able to look at it this afternoon, I'll try to adapt it to have everything behave as I'd like/expect it (fix the page scrolling, maybe try to do the volume thing, etc) |
| 12:48:45 | BigBambi | Markun: hugely |
| 12:48:46 | JdGordon | if a struct is only used in a single .c, should its definition be in that file? or in the .h? |
| 12:48:57 | BigBambi | markun: feel free :) |
| 12:49:21 | markun | BigBambi: which button would you like to have as a stop button? Menu? |
| 12:49:43 | Moos | Llorean: we have already the "hold for keep backlight"... |
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| 12:50:32 | BigBambi | Markun: that be the same in terms of position as the H1x0, but the names might then be confusing to new users (not having menu as menu). I think with power and select the names don't do what they say anyway, so it doesn't matter |
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| 12:51:18 | Llorean | BigBambi: I think "Power" should do what "Stop" does on H120, center of cross should be "Navi", and 'A' should do what "Play/Pause" does on H120. Menu is, of course, A-B. :) |
| 12:51:24 | BigBambi | Personally yes, I'd have menu as stop, but i'm not so worried about that. I could probably even get used to power and select being swapped if they weren't only different in some places not all |
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| 12:51:56 | BigBambi | Llorean: I wouldn't mind that too much - as I said it is they doing different things in some places and the same in others that really gets me |
| 12:52:02 | BigBambi | they/the |
| 12:52:26 | * | JdGordon just noticed he has been hacking rockbox for over a year now :) |
| 12:52:29 | Llorean | BigBambi: I think with that layout, it's reasonably truthful to what the buttons are labelled, and then you just make them function consistently on all screens. |
| 12:52:43 | Llorean | JdGordon: Yeah, I was startled when I noticed I'd been with the project over a year. |
| 12:52:45 | markun | Llorean: I think a-b should be used for the a-b feature on the h1xx ;) |
| 12:52:51 | Moos | JdGordon: congrates and happy burthday :) |
| 12:52:54 | JdGordon | hehe |
| 12:52:58 | BigBambi | Llorean: I'd certainly prefer the consistency across buttons rather than the exact same layout if I had to chose |
| 12:53:13 | BigBambi | chose/choose |
| 12:53:31 | Llorean | BigBambi: Yeah, I'm not a fan of "the layout needs to be the same, damn the labels", the consistency is more important, and I think buttons with clear labels like Power and Menu need to do that when they can. |
| 12:53:39 | BigBambi | Llorean: So your plan would be OK by me :) |
| 12:53:56 | BigBambi | Llorean: Now you have my permission, feel free :) |
| 12:54:18 | Llorean | BigBambi: As I said, this afternoon, assuming that what's in my brain now lasts through sleep, whenever it comes. |
| 12:55:02 | Nico_P | Llorean: about your custom hold idea... I like it but first I'd like to ask what would a "none" choice bring ? |
| 12:55:19 | Nico_P | and second I had a patch that did the same kind of thing with the backlignt on the H300 |
| 12:55:26 | Llorean | Nico_P: "none" would be my sleep deprived brain automatically pairing something with "All" |
| 12:55:37 | Nico_P | :) |
| 12:55:45 | Moos | Nico_P: this is already possible on X5 |
| 12:55:47 | Llorean | I'm mildly ill, and unable to sleep. :) |
| 12:55:50 | Moos | note on h3xx? |
| 12:56:05 | Nico_P | The custom backlight patch was very popular with custom builds |
| 12:56:05 | Llorean | Moos: I think he means that with hold on, certain buttons would turn the backlight on without doing their function. |
| 12:56:21 | Moos | ah, more complexe then :) |
| 12:56:26 | Nico_P | Moos, Llorean: No, it made some keys trigger the backlight and some other not |
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| 12:56:44 | Llorean | Nico_P: Ah, I was close. :) I assume it was often "Volume doesn't trigger backlight"? |
| 12:56:47 | BigBambi | Llorean: Well, whenever you get a minute :) I look forward to a more consistent gigabeat keymap :) |
| 12:57:00 | Nico_P | Llorean: that's it, as well as track changes |
| 12:57:22 | Nico_P | and NAVI and A-B triggered the backlight |
| 12:57:49 | Nico_P | I loved it on my H300 but since I have the gigabeat I'm not maintaining it anymore |
| 12:57:53 | Moos | Nico_P: but finish your WPS tokenizer first! :p, what is the state? SVN material? |
| 12:58:02 | Nico_P | Moos: almost :) |
| 12:58:16 | Nico_P | the latest version is on the tracker |
| 12:58:16 | * | JdGordon starting to feel very violent against whoever started the filetypes.c file :p |
| 12:58:58 | Moos | Nico_P: goodie |
| 13:00 |
| 13:00:48 | Nico_P | there are still a few small issues left and it probably needs a few fixes for the archos player |
| 13:05:17 | JdGordon | does anyone know what filetype_get_attr() is expected to return? |
| 13:06:00 | JdGordon | /* get the "dynamic" attribute for an extension */ ?? |
| 13:06:40 | Nico_P | JdGordon: let me find it |
| 13:06:54 | JdGordon | filetypes.c.. |
| 13:07:03 | JdGordon | is it the index for the type into one of the structs? |
| 13:07:20 | Nico_P | I think it returns on of TREE_ATTR_MPA or TREE_ATTR_... |
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| 13:07:39 | Nico_P | (defined in tree.h) |
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| 13:08:28 | * | JdGordon doesnt understand this line... |
| 13:08:31 | JdGordon | ((((unsigned long)exttypes[i].type - |
| 13:08:32 | JdGordon | (unsigned long)&filetypes[0]) / |
| 13:08:32 | JdGordon | sizeof(struct file_type)) << 8) |
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| 13:09:09 | Nico_P | I agree it's very weird |
| 13:09:46 | JdGordon | .cfg returns 1024 :p |
| 13:09:54 | JdGordon | now to figure out how that == 1024! |
| 13:10:13 | JdGordon | TREE_ATTR_CFG |
| 13:11:03 | Nico_P | wohoo :) |
| 13:11:31 | Nico_P | what a strange way of doing this |
| 13:12:04 | * | JdGordon thinking about dummping that whole file and starting over :p |
| 13:12:14 | JdGordon | once /me figues out what it actually does |
| 13:13:07 | Nico_P | that could be a good idea |
| 13:13:12 | JdGordon | AH! i got it :) |
| 13:13:23 | JdGordon | it sort of is the index... |
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| 13:14:09 | JdGordon | its TREE_ATTR_CUE + extension index into viewers.config... |
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| 13:15:59 | JdGordon | linuxstb: your definatly happy to put this init stuff in the audio buffer? |
| 13:17:08 | JdGordon | Nico_P: looking through the code, I tihnk the skip_whitespace calls in cuesheet should be replaced by looping with isspace()... |
| 13:17:11 | AceNik | i just fully setup cygwin & the source , but when i enter "svn status" it says "svn: warning '.' not a workin copy" , wat can i do here |
| 13:17:22 | JdGordon | what folder are you in? |
| 13:18:22 | AceNik | the local user like it shows my name in cygwin |
| 13:19:02 | AceNik | myname@my computer name |
| 13:19:37 | JdGordon | type cwd |
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| 13:19:41 | JdGordon | pwd even |
| 13:19:57 | JdGordon | your not in the rockbox source dir.... |
| 13:20:11 | JdGordon | cd rockbox<tab> |
| 13:20:20 | JdGordon | then <enter> |
| 13:20:54 | AceNik | k then |
| 13:22:17 | AceNik | i also tried the ../tools/configure thing , then i chose my model , n then "N" , but it showed warning "arm gcc " some path not found n stuff |
| 13:22:33 | Nico_P | JdGordon: you're right about isspace |
| 13:22:37 | Nico_P | i'll do that a bit later |
| 13:23:25 | AceNik | i got "status" & "up" working now |
| 13:23:26 | Nico_P | got to go |
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| 13:25:25 | AceNik | warning the compiler you must use <arm-elf-gcc> is not in your path |
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| 13:28:41 | AceNik | can any one help me with compiling |
| 13:30:06 | AceNik | is any one there |
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| 13:33:20 | GodEater_ | impatient whee soul. |
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| 13:37:30 | AceNik | can anyone help me with compiling |
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| 13:38:41 | JdGordon | did anyone know that somefile-ext.rock would automatically register that plugin for .ext files? |
| 13:39:15 | AceNik | when i did ../tools/configure , & then finally selected my model & build type , it showed warning : <arm-elf-gcc> not found |
| 13:39:23 | markun | JdGordon: I didn't |
| 13:39:46 | JdGordon | no pugins use it do they? I tihnk its ok to remove to save some space.. yeah? |
| 13:43:36 | AceNik | can omeone help me on this |
| 13:43:45 | AceNik | when i did ../tools/configure , & then finally selected my model & build type , it showed warning : <arm-elf-gcc> not found |
| 13:44:00 | JdGordon | you havnt set your path correctly... |
| 13:44:14 | JdGordon | or installed the arm gcc module... |
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| 13:44:24 | JdGordon | re read the cygwin instructions.... |
| 13:45:55 | AceNik | i did many times , & i have installed arm gcc , it was done by cygwins automated setup , but how do i confirm the path |
| 13:47:18 | JdGordon | $ printenv PATH |
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| 13:49:28 | crop | Has there been any talk about the codecs for guitar pro (.gp3, .gp4) or guitar tab (.gtp)? |
| 13:49:54 | AceNik | now how do i change this path & what shoul it show |
| 13:50:47 | crop | There are some open source projects that are able to read .gp4. |
| 13:52:31 | JdGordon | AceNik: step 4 (iirc) in the cygwin setup instructions... |
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| 13:54:35 | AceNik | ya i have that page open but dont know which file to open to edit or something , like where do i ad that line , in whih file |
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| 14:01:19 | PaulJam | Hi little question: did the commit that enabled the manual rating require a rebuild of the database? |
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| 14:11:19 | webguest98 | rock with sound |
| 14:11:29 | webguest98 | rockbox |
| 14:12:22 | webguest98 | how to put rockbox on sansa e250 ? |
| 14:12:47 | BigBambi | webguest98: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 14:13:20 | webguest98 | hanks |
| 14:13:23 | BigBambi | np |
| 14:13:24 | webguest98 | thanks |
| 14:14:51 | AceNik | which file to edit the path in for cygwin |
| 14:17:01 | ptw419 | .bashrc |
| 14:17:38 | ptw419 | you mean $PATH? |
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| 14:22:48 | AceNik | well i typed ../tools/configure & then ultimately get an error saying warning <arm-elf-gcc> pth not found can someone help me on this |
| 14:28:01 | AceNik | well i typed ../tools/configure & then ultimately get an error saying warning <arm-elf-gcc> pth not found can someone help me on this |
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| 14:32:39 | PaulJam | What is the IRC nick of Robert Kukla? |
| 14:32:50 | bluebrother | roolku |
| 14:32:59 | PaulJam | thank you |
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| 14:35:06 | JdGordon | speak of the devil :p |
| 14:35:26 | bluebrother | what devil? |
| 14:35:54 | * | roolku hides |
| 14:36:11 | bluebrother | oh. Missed that join action ;-) |
| 14:38:18 | PaulJam | roolku: it would be nice if you could mention it in the commit message if your change requires a rebuild of the database next time, so people can export their runtime info before updating. |
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| 14:38:26 | roolku | PaulJam: regarding the manual rating - yes, it requires a rebuild. But since the version number of the datafiles has changed that sould be automatic |
| 14:39:51 | roolku | PaulJam: Yes, I see the problem. Sorry. Unfortunately Zagor hasn't enabled the feature to edit comit messages. |
| 14:40:20 | bluebrother | roolku: sure? With cvs it was possible modifying commit messages. |
| 14:40:24 | TrueJournals | So that's what happened? I synced right after I updated and thought "Wow! Rockbox knows when I sync my music" :-p |
| 14:40:43 | roolku | bluebrother: when I try I get an error message from the svn server |
| 14:40:58 | bluebrother | I would be surprised if that is a feature that needs explicitly to get turned on or has been disabled |
| 14:41:22 | bluebrother | well, Zagor should know the answer ;-) |
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| 14:43:50 | webguest98 | how to dual boat sansa ? |
| 14:43:59 | roolku | bluebrother: the error message is: Repository has not been enabled to accept revision propchanges; ask the administrator to create a pre-revprop-change hook |
| 14:44:55 | bluebrother | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Install#How_to_Boot_Original_Firmware_OF |
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| 15:01:16 | Slasheri | roolku: if structures version change, new code can't read the old format and export the db |
| 15:06:21 | roolku | Slasheri: yes I understand this, my first reply was only concerning the rebuild |
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| 15:07:56 | roolku | Slasheri: the messages at 13:37 coincided |
| 15:08:30 | AceNik | guys why is there an error with the arm-elf-gcc |
| 15:08:52 | * | Bagder starts his mind reading machine to figure it out |
| 15:09:38 | Bagder | oh no, it crashed. sorry, can't help you today if you don't provide at least some hints or details |
| 15:10:00 | JdGordon | AceNik: ive told you 3 times.... yyou havnt set your path correctly... it explains it very clearly in the instructions.... |
| 15:11:33 | bluebrother | AceNik: there is an error because there is an error. Plain and simple |
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| 15:13:59 | AceNik | i dont know in which file to edit the path sorry guys im new at this , i tried reinstalling everythin , which file to edit the path in ? |
| 15:15:19 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment#Step_4_Add_the_cross_compiler_di |
| 15:15:34 | JdGordon | [21:52] <JdGordon> AceNik: step 4 (iirc) in the cygwin setup instructions... |
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| 15:17:53 | spiorf | hi, it's normal that some files (like mpegplayer.rock) are missing in archived daily builds? |
| 15:18:09 | JdGordon | it is if they failed to build... |
| 15:18:29 | JdGordon | ... or are not built for the target your downloading the archive for.... |
| 15:18:41 | spiorf | no, it bust be the first one |
| 15:18:45 | spiorf | *must |
| 15:19:23 | spiorf | it's ipod nano, and it used to work |
| 15:19:30 | AceNik | <JdGordon>ok i hav edited the file this time , finally got it thanks for bearing with me, can i edit the main page of the cygwin instructions jut to make it more clearer |
| 15:19:46 | | Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) |
| 15:19:49 | JdGordon | you need a wiki account |
| 15:20:47 | spiorf | anyway, this can only mean that you guys are working on it |
| 15:22:59 | Bagder | spiorf: missing? |
| 15:23:26 | spiorf | Bagder, yeah |
| 15:24:08 | Bagder | I can see how the nano package got ~600 K smaller on March 18... |
| 15:24:20 | spiorf | i checked this one http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodnano/rockbox-ipodnano-20070326.zip |
| 15:25:43 | spiorf | in fact the march 18 package has mpegplayer |
| 15:26:11 | AceNik | thanks JdGordan ill keep experimenting now , only if someone coul make the \etc\profile path thing more clearer on that page it woul be better |
| 15:26:47 | spiorf | this confused me for some days because when overwriting the .rockbox folder in my ipod the mpegplayer.rock was not "downgraded" |
| 15:27:06 | spiorf | and it told me "incompatible version" |
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| 15:27:44 | Bagder | bbl |
| 15:31:33 | AceNik | ok now it says make file created , but when i say make , it says " no targets specified & no make file found" |
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| 15:32:37 | webguest20 | what video support does rockbox sansa have ? |
| 15:32:44 | pondlife | Hmm, I've got something *really* odd happening in front of me here. |
| 15:32:57 | bluebrother | pondlife: it has a blue light? ;-) |
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| 15:33:16 | pondlife | No sadly. I have a sim with a playlist of 20000 entries, and it has played through to 172 of 20000.... |
| 15:33:29 | pondlife | Then it goes to track 10081 of 20000 |
| 15:33:32 | webguest20 | video support ? |
| 15:33:56 | pondlife | I can skip back and forward happily, what happened to 173-10080? |
| 15:34:22 | bluebrother | webguest20: read the wiki |
| 15:34:49 | bluebrother | pondlife: I guess it's not an issue with unaccessible files or broken file types? |
| 15:34:56 | pondlife | Shouldn't be |
| 15:35:00 | bluebrother | webguest20: PluginMpegplayer |
| 15:35:05 | pondlife | I just generated a new database |
| 15:35:32 | pondlife | Hmm the playlist viewer has (ERR) in front of the missing track names. |
| 15:35:49 | pondlife | So I guess it thinks they are inaccessible for some reason. |
| 15:36:09 | bluebrother | broken symlinks? |
| 15:36:24 | pondlife | No. I can access them fine from Explorer... |
| 15:36:56 | pondlife | No symlink in use either... I modded my build to have another "archos" path. |
| 15:36:57 | Slasheri | pondlife: they might be just "unplayable" as well |
| 15:37:15 | pondlife | I don't think so, I've certainly listened to some of them before.. |
| 15:37:17 | Luciano90 | Hi there. I'm having problems with my Ipod 5.5G. I've tried 3 different bootloader with 4 different install guides, and none bootloader has been able to boot neither Apple OS nor Rockbox. I've used some guides found in google, and the rockbox one. Tried the rockbox loader and nothing, none system boots. Also tryed Loader2, and can't get it working. I've copy correctly the folders to the iPod, i have .rockbox there. When I used Loader2 |
| 15:37:18 | Slasheri | for example metadata could not be parsed |
| 15:37:31 | bluebrother | Luciano90: is it a 80GB version? |
| 15:37:34 | Luciano90 | Yes |
| 15:37:48 | bluebrother | read the frontpage. What does it tell regarding the 5.5G 80GB? |
| 15:38:23 | Luciano90 | Oh, didn't see that |
| 15:38:35 | * | bluebrother sighs |
| 15:38:40 | pondlife | Hmm, stopping and restarting the sim resolved it... |
| 15:38:44 | Luciano90 | Ok thanks, I thought that I saw at a forum that someone get it working |
| 15:38:54 | AceNik | ok now it says make file created , but when i say make , it says " no targets specified & no make file found" |
| 15:39:06 | bluebrother | it's been worked on, but it's not working officially in any way. |
| 15:39:29 | * | bluebrother throws his crystal ball to the wall |
| 15:39:46 | bluebrother | ahhh, this silence :D |
| 15:40:12 | Luciano90 | So, no matter what I can try... it wont boot? |
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| 15:40:13 | * | JdGordon puts money on AceNik not running ../tools/configure |
| 15:40:38 | * | JdGordon is getting irritated with the tree drawing code |
| 15:40:57 | JdGordon | stupid thing is putting the dir icon instead of no icon for unsupported files :'( |
| 15:41:09 | bluebrother | Luciano90: it won't work. It's not supported. |
| 15:41:09 | pondlife | I noticed that in the past |
| 15:41:14 | Luciano90 | Ok |
| 15:41:15 | Luciano90 | Thanks |
| 15:41:16 | Luciano90 | bye!! |
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| 15:41:31 | JdGordon | pondlife: brand spanking new code... it shouldnt be doing that :'( |
| 15:41:35 | bluebrother | too late to mention the new ports forums ... |
| 15:41:50 | pondlife | Ah, well I noticed it in other places.... no icon -> dir icon |
| 15:41:58 | pondlife | Might be in the icon code? |
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| 15:42:39 | JdGordon | possibly.. |
| 15:42:40 | markun | bluebrother: and I think you could have told webguest20 the name of the PluginMpegplayer wiki page.. |
| 15:42:56 | JdGordon | although, im returning NOICON which is going straight to the drawing code.. so it should be working |
| 15:43:23 | AceNik | <JdGordon>c i did run ../tools/configure selected 14 as for my H10[20GB], then selected N for normal , it said created make file , n there are no errors , then when i said make , it shows "no target selected , or no make file found:" |
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| 15:44:52 | bluebrother | markun: I did ... short after my first hint |
| 15:45:12 | bluebrother | don't know if I was clear enough though. |
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| 15:47:42 | markun | ah, sorry :) |
| 15:47:46 | markun | I didn't see it |
| 15:48:08 | markun | there I go again without properly reading the logs.. |
| 15:48:56 | bluebrother | but it might be that I'm a bit short worded today :D |
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| 15:49:15 | bluebrother | today is somewhat annoying :( |
| 15:49:59 | AceNik | <JdGordon>c i did run ../tools/configure selected 14 as for my H10[20GB], then selected N for normal , it said created make file , n there are no errors , then when i said make , it shows "no target selected , or no make file found:" |
| 15:50:57 | bluebrother | AceNik: you're repeating yourself |
| 15:51:34 | AceNik | sorry it just that i have come so far i am a little excited to just make the damn think compile , so sorry |
| 15:54:12 | GodEater_ | AceNik: why are you trying to compile it yourself ? |
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| 15:56:49 | AceNik | <GodEater>cause i want to include some patches , i made a WPS, base on angryman's build , but want to add ome more patches, & alo would love to use my C & C++ Somewhere , rockbox i a good thing to learn i feel |
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| 15:58:02 | GodEater_ | AceNik: setting up a dev environment following our guide is not a difficult task. If you're struggling with it, then (to be blunt) I doubt you'll be able to do much of anything with the code... |
| 15:58:32 | bluebrother | AceNik: you should never try to do everything at once in the first try. Get a standard build running first |
| 15:59:40 | * | JdGordon hates makeing idiot mistakes in the code :'( |
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| 16:00:00 | AceNik | <God Eater>well atleast it worth a try, sorry if im troubling you guy , but i dont have or kno of any Indian following up with rockbox , otherwise i would have approached them |
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| 16:00:34 | GodEater_ | AceNik: you're not troubling me - I'm just thinking you're trying to run before you can walk... |
| 16:01:12 | AceNik | <bluebrother> that what im planning to do , making a standard build fromt eh svn for the H10 [20GB] the problem i the make command gives an error "no target specified" |
| 16:02:11 | webguest53 | how to play videos on rockbox ??? |
| 16:02:20 | markun | webguest53: depends on the target |
| 16:02:26 | markun | on the Gigabeat pretty well |
| 16:02:40 | markun | ah "how TO", sorry |
| 16:02:56 | markun | webguest53: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 16:03:11 | JdGordon | AceNik: pastebin the output of tools/configure |
| 16:04:26 | markun | webguest53: still there? |
| 16:04:33 | AceNik | shoul i paste the whole thing here |
| 16:04:45 | markun | AceNik: no, use a pastebin site |
| 16:05:00 | markun | and paste the URL here |
| 16:05:17 | GodEater_ | http://pastebin.ca/ |
| 16:06:51 | * | JdGordon hopes to have a green delta commit shortly :) |
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| 16:07:02 | GodEater_ | JdGordon: famous last words ;) |
| 16:07:52 | JdGordon | well, ive dropped a 800+ line file down to 200... |
| 16:08:16 | GodEater_ | that's pretty good going |
| 16:08:30 | GodEater_ | have we lost 600 lines of functionality ? ;) |
| 16:08:37 | markun | JdGordon: I'm proud of you :) |
| 16:08:56 | JdGordon | at the expense of < 2kb of ram... |
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| 16:09:14 | AceNik | <JdGordon>http://pastebin.ca/413503 |
| 16:09:48 | Nico_P | JdGordon: filetypes.c ? |
| 16:09:58 | GodEater_ | AceNik: I see a problem straight away, you have a space in your home directory name |
| 16:10:04 | AceNik | <Godeater><markun> thanks |
| 16:10:10 | JdGordon | Nico_P: yep |
| 16:10:22 | markun | AceNik: this looks strange: ../tools/configure: line 566: cd: /home/Nikkhil: No such file or directory |
| 16:10:39 | JdGordon | AceNik: also, i tihn your in the wrong folder... |
| 16:11:21 | markun | JdGordon: which folder should he be in? |
| 16:11:29 | markun | looks fine to me |
| 16:11:32 | GodEater_ | JdGordon: that looks right to me |
| 16:11:42 | AceNik | Wat do i do then ? |
| 16:11:43 | * | JdGordon looks again.... |
| 16:11:47 | GodEater_ | I just think it's because his /home/<username> folder has a space in it |
| 16:11:53 | GodEater_ | and our configure script doesn't like it |
| 16:12:05 | markun | probably |
| 16:12:06 | AceNik | so Do i chane my username ? |
| 16:12:14 | markun | AceNik: or we fix the script :) |
| 16:12:18 | JdGordon | 2kb off the h100 bin size :) |
| 16:12:23 | GodEater_ | AceNik: you could just try moving the whole rockbox folder structure to /tmp |
| 16:12:28 | GodEater_ | and compile from in there |
| 16:12:46 | Insectoid | Also, AceNik, you might want to install ccache. |
| 16:13:16 | GodEater_ | Insectoid: one step at a time! |
| 16:13:23 | AceNik | what im doing now is changing my computer username & then running from /Nikkhil |
| 16:13:59 | markun | AceNik: can you edit tools/configure and put quotes around the arguments of the 'cd' commands? |
| 16:14:06 | GodEater_ | AceNik: I'd have done what I suggested first, it's a bit less drastic |
| 16:15:11 | AceNik | so you want me to move the rockbox folder or mu username folder to /tmp |
| 16:15:31 | AceNik | & then wouldnt i have to change some psths to compile from there |
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| 16:15:59 | Jimmy79 | Morning folks - anyone awake enouigh to answer a question :) |
| 16:16:13 | Insectoid | We can try. |
| 16:16:35 | Insectoid | AceNik, the rockbox folder. mv rockbox /tmp from your home dir. |
| 16:16:35 | GodEater_ | AceNik: do this : "cd ~ && mv rockbox /tmp && cd/tmp/rockbox/build" |
| 16:16:40 | markun | Jimmy79: it's day time in europe, so many rockboxers are awake |
| 16:16:56 | Jimmy79 | Ok - I've been playing with Rockbox for a couple days now. One of the features I really wanted was the zoomable photo reader. I've found though that it in some situations it will zoom once.. others as much as I want |
| 16:17:09 | AceNik | ok ill try |
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| 16:17:15 | Jimmy79 | I can't figure out why it won't consistantly zoom in deeper. |
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| 16:17:32 | MikeSeth | uhhh |
| 16:17:36 | markun | Jimmy79: it will only zoom until the resolution of the image |
| 16:17:36 | GodEater_ | AceNik: do this : "cd ~ && mv rockbox /tmp && cd /tmp/rockbox/build" <−− space in the last cd command |
| 16:17:46 | AceNik | <Jimmy 79> press the pause button |
| 16:17:54 | Jimmy79 | markun - these are fairly large images. |
| 16:17:57 | MikeSeth | I installed rockbox on my sansa e280.. it crashed with "data abort". Now, how do I turn the player off? |
| 16:17:59 | markun | Jimmy79: so for a 1600x1200 image you can zoom more than for a 640x240 for example |
| 16:18:23 | markun | Jimmy79: maybe you cannot zoom more when the RAM is being used by the audio player.. |
| 16:18:35 | GodEater_ | it never ceases to amaze me the people that install rockbox for "feature X" rather than the music! |
| 16:18:38 | perl|work | "resume" bug is still there |
| 16:19:23 | Jimmy79 | markun: That's what I was thinking (the ram) - how can I go about dumping that info so I can use the zoom? |
| 16:19:34 | markun | Jimmy79: stopping audio playback |
| 16:19:38 | Jimmy79 | GodEater: Well the music is there too, gotta love the OGG support. |
| 16:20:00 | perl|work | pressing "power" (gigabeat) to resume right after turning on the player locks it up (on random basis) |
| 16:20:08 | * | markun doesn't find it strange at all that people use rockbox for other things than just music |
| 16:20:21 | Jimmy79 | mark: playback is off... the image is 1000x1500 - and it's only zooming once |
| 16:20:23 | roolku | JdGordon: just curious - is the onplay menu going to stay with the old API or is this work in progress |
| 16:20:23 | markun | it's a nice replacement firmware and much more flexible than any OF I know |
| 16:20:29 | MikeSeth | come on! please tell me there's a magic interrupt that can be triggered with a key to shut the player down? cuz I can't turn it off! :D |
| 16:20:39 | perl|work | markun ever encountered it? |
| 16:20:51 | JdGordon | roolku: it will be moved across... just not sure when |
| 16:21:00 | markun | perl|work: no, I don't think I have |
| 16:21:09 | Jimmy79 | Yet I've had situations where it will zoom (on the same image) much deeper. It's really strange. |
| 16:21:24 | perl|work | markun maybe cause my active playlist is like 400+ tracks... |
| 16:21:28 | markun | Jimmy79: I have no clue what it could be. Sounds like a bug. |
| 16:21:50 | markun | perl|work: mine are usually about 12 tracks |
| 16:21:57 | roolku | JdGordon: okie, the rating stuff could be done more elegantly as an int setting then (I think) |
| 16:21:58 | Jimmy79 | mark: It does it does - I guess best bet is to report it... |
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| 16:22:17 | markun | Jimmy79: do you have the skills to figure out what is causing it? |
| 16:22:48 | markun | Jimmy79: it might not be random at all. Try to find out if you can somehow reproduce it. |
| 16:22:55 | Jimmy79 | That's what I've been trying to do |
| 16:23:00 | markun | ah :) |
| 16:23:04 | MikeSeth | sorry guys.. false alarm |
| 16:23:17 | Jimmy79 | If I can figure out what feature/function ALLOWS for it to work.. then I'm golden. |
| 16:23:18 | markun | If you reboot the player and look at the image before doing anything else? |
| 16:23:32 | Jimmy79 | Tried before - we'll try it again right now just for the sake of argument. |
| 16:23:48 | markun | sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't? |
| 16:23:57 | markun | sounds unlikely |
| 16:23:58 | JdGordon | linuxstb: ping? |
| 16:24:10 | Jimmy79 | I had a period yesterday where I could look at them - now I can't.. I agree it sounds unlikely which is why I'm so confused =) |
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| 16:24:38 | Jimmy79 | post reboot - I can deeper zoom. Interesting. |
| 16:24:43 | perl|work | why not resizing all the pictures to the resolution of your player's screen before putting them on the player anyway? :P |
| 16:24:53 | markun | Jimmy79: ok, that's a start |
| 16:24:56 | Jimmy79 | perl: They have words =) And there are a lot of them. |
| 16:25:04 | Jimmy79 | mark: I think part of it is the ram issue, as I was listening to a fairly large podcast |
| 16:25:25 | markun | Jimmy79: you told me it didn't only happen with audio playing, right? |
| 16:25:29 | perl|work | Jimmy79 so its a scan of a book? :P |
| 16:25:33 | Jimmy79 | perl: comics ;) |
| 16:25:46 | AceNik | <GodEater> i have the rockbox folder in tmp now wat |
| 16:25:46 | perl|work | gotcha |
| 16:25:55 | markun | AceNik: now try again |
| 16:26:06 | MikeSeth | umm |
| 16:26:13 | Jimmy79 | mark: correct - but I can't say whether or not that was after I had loaded stuff into ram, unloaded, etc. |
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| 16:26:23 | AceNik | ok |
| 16:26:25 | Jimmy79 | Going to try and load up a song and do it now. Small first. |
| 16:26:59 | MikeSeth | any of you here worked on e200 DAC code? the wiki says that currently the quality of playback is worse than the original firmware. On my e280 it is not true but there are clicks, and stereo seems to be jumping |
| 16:27:12 | Jimmy79 | ok - loading the song stops the zoom. |
| 16:27:21 | GodEater_ | MikeSeth: you're saying the original firmware is WORSE than that??? jesus. |
| 16:27:23 | Jimmy79 | seems it's probably a ram ish |
| 16:27:40 | Jimmy79 | perl: I thought it would be nice to read my comics on the pod too - I'm multifunctional like that =) |
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| 16:28:18 | markun | Jimmy79: yes, that's a normal and known limitation of the jpegviewer |
| 16:28:19 | perl|work | Jimmy79 yeah id zoom into comics rather than anything else |
| 16:28:22 | MikeSeth | GodEater_: it sounded worse than my cheapass chinese S1 player when I bought it. Mangled treble frequencies terribly, the sound was ostensibly muffled even when I bought panasonic earcaps |
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| 16:28:42 | GodEater_ | MikeSeth: I'd have taken it back in that case. |
| 16:28:57 | Jimmy79 | And now - having stopped the song - going back - it doesn't zoom in... so situation defined. Thanks for the help |
| 16:29:03 | MikeSeth | GodEater_: no, the device is awesome, and the chip it runs on seems to be kick-ass |
| 16:29:15 | MikeSeth | its just that Sandisk screwed up |
| 16:29:16 | markun | Jimmy79: the plugins only have a limited amount of ram available, and if no audio is playing they can steal the audiobuffer if they need more |
| 16:29:21 | GodEater_ | MikeSeth: your definition of "awesome" and mine seem different... |
| 16:29:28 | Jimmy79 | Understood. |
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| 16:30:07 | Jimmy79 | And these are fairly high res scans... dropping them down would help... just tedious :) |
| 16:30:58 | Jimmy79 | And I'd lose all that fantastic Frank Miller detail (currently reading sin city) |
| 16:31:26 | markun | Jimmy79: it would be nice if plugins could steal some RAM from the audio buffer even if audio was playing, but that adds a lot of complexity to rockbox |
| 16:31:44 | AceNik | <godeater> <markun> it seems to have agin openen up in my username folder |
| 16:32:14 | Jimmy79 | markun: There's always tomorrow's rebuild. I have faith in you real programmer types. heh, thanks for the help though. |
| 16:32:40 | GodEater_ | AceNik: pastebin it again |
| 16:32:43 | markun | AceNik: let me check the script |
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| 16:32:55 | GodEater_ | or let markun fix it ;) |
| 16:33:28 | markun | GodEater_: I can't find the problem |
| 16:33:30 | GodEater_ | markun: while you're there, fix all those backticks! |
| 16:34:06 | GodEater_ | markun: oh - I can |
| 16:34:12 | GodEater_ | markun: I'll patch |
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| 16:34:14 | GodEater_ | hang on |
| 16:34:17 | AceNik | <markun>when i open the cywin program it shows : "my username@ my computername", how do i get it to load the tmp folder |
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| 16:34:36 | markun | AceNik: with the 'cd' command you just go to the other dir |
| 16:34:47 | AceNik | cant tried it |
| 16:34:52 | markun | why not? |
| 16:35:09 | markun | can't you do something like /tmp/rockbox/build ? |
| 16:35:18 | markun | eh "cd /tmp/rockbox/build" |
| 16:35:25 | * | markun never used cygwin |
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| 16:35:50 | AceNik | nopes cause cywin opens up in cygwin/home/username/rockbox |
| 16:36:04 | AceNik | so i cant go back to the tmp folder |
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| 16:37:07 | AceNik | should i change my username then ? |
| 16:37:25 | GodEater_ | markun: patched - I'm just testing |
| 16:37:31 | AceNik | but i tri4ed that in control panel it stil show my surname i removed my surname |
| 16:38:07 | GodEater_ | AceNik: that's a bunch of crap, "cd \tmp" in cygwin works fine - assuming the directory exists |
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| 16:38:31 | GodEater_ | "cd /tmp" even |
| 16:39:09 | GodEater_ | crap - I have to run for an appointment |
| 16:40:18 | AceNik | http://pastebin.ca/413543 |
| 16:40:18 | MikeSeth | Ok. Rockbox works with e280, but not stable enough :( |
| 16:41:13 | markun | AceNik: you forgot a space between "cd" and "/tmp" |
| 16:41:29 | markun | but I don't have time to help right now |
| 16:41:40 | AceNik | u c i have tried doin cd separately before |
| 16:41:55 | markun | "cd tmp" is not the same as "cd /tmp" |
| 16:42:20 | markun | "cd tmp" is "cd /" and then "cd tmp" |
| 16:42:26 | markun | eh.. |
| 16:42:28 | markun | "cd /tmp" is "cd /" and then "cd tmp" |
| 16:42:29 | AceNik | k ill try somthin out , but its still not working , ill restart my computer chane the username & try |
| 16:42:43 | markun | AceNik: ok, good luck |
| 16:42:46 | markun | maybe someone else can help you |
| 16:43:19 | AceNik | ok wait i got it |
| 16:43:35 | insectoid | AceNik, if you like, you could let me or someone login to the box and try to make it work. |
| 16:44:20 | AceNik | bingo its orking now i hope its ompiling , thank markun |
| 16:45:13 | markun | JdGordon: still fixing some things before commiting? |
| 16:45:19 | AceNik | <markun>thanks a lot buddy its workin & compiling , now all i need to do is tommorow update & learn how to add patches |
| 16:45:45 | JdGordon | markun: yeah, had 4 empty functions... which ive finished and they seem to have put the delta to +2k :'( |
| 16:45:49 | AceNik | <markun>so this means ill have to always just use the /tmp folder |
| 16:45:52 | markun | AceNik: good you made it. The configure script should be fixed so you can build it from your home dir. |
| 16:46:29 | markun | JdGordon: ok, then I'm not so proud of you anymore :) |
| 16:46:36 | JdGordon | haha |
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| 16:46:50 | JdGordon | but i did cut the code in half.... that counts for something doesnt it?? :'( |
| 16:47:24 | markun | you cut it in half in what way? |
| 16:47:34 | markun | by adding some macros? :) |
| 16:47:41 | JdGordon | haha... no! |
| 16:47:46 | JdGordon | didnt add a single 1 |
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| 16:48:16 | AceNik | ok bye have fun coding , orry for the trouble |
| 16:49:02 | JdGordon | oh fark :p i was checking against the wrong build :p |
| 16:49:10 | JdGordon | yep, still about 1k under then :D |
| 16:49:33 | JdGordon | ~1400b even |
| 16:50:41 | markun | AceNik: don't worry |
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| 16:52:48 | markun | JdGordon: ok, I'll just wait for your commit :) |
| 16:53:52 | JdGordon | im putting it on FS first... it uses more RAM than svn so it might not be worth the commit... |
| 16:54:01 | JdGordon | actually... i havnt checked how much more it uses.. |
| 16:56:46 | JdGordon | uses 1100bytes more ram than svn... |
| 16:56:51 | JdGordon | does that matter? |
| 16:57:06 | markun | what are you working on? |
| 16:57:20 | markun | better put it on FS I would say |
| 16:58:20 | JdGordon | doing |
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| 16:58:28 | insectoid | Is anyone using the latest svn with an Ipod 5g? I'm getting a distinct lack of audio playback, but I'm trying to determine if it's something I've done. |
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| 17:00:39 | Nico_P | JdGordon: I'm not sure anyone really cares about 1k more in RAM... |
| 17:01:04 | Nico_P | especially when there's 1k less in binsize |
| 17:01:15 | JdGordon | just being safe... |
| 17:01:31 | JdGordon | I could probably fiddle more but then the bin increases a bit... |
| 17:04:23 | JdGordon | linuxstb: (and everyone else).... FS #6922 |
| 17:07:38 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 17:07:51 | Nico_P | JdGordon: can't you test that HWCODEC part on the sim ? |
| 17:08:22 | | Part TrueJournals |
| 17:08:24 | JdGordon | I _could_.... :p |
| 17:09:16 | markun | JdGordon: great name.. changes.patch :) |
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| 17:12:10 | bluebrother | JdGordon seems to like confusing names like that ;-) |
| 17:12:23 | jmsbwtr_ | hey, i have a problem... after installing rockbox, it worked for a day, and then when i came to it tomorrow, it said the battery was dead, so when i got home i tried charging it, but it wouldnt charge |
| 17:12:33 | jmsbwtr_ | now it doesnt charge, doesnt turn on and doesnt reset, any ideas? |
| 17:12:34 | JdGordon | bluebrother: confusing? it says exaclty what it is :) |
| 17:12:45 | bluebrother | no, it only says you changed something. |
| 17:12:57 | bluebrother | which I assume you did anyway as you created a patch ;-) |
| 17:13:11 | bluebrother | jmsbwtr_: what player, how are you charging? |
| 17:13:30 | jmsbwtr_ | iPod mini, charging via usb |
| 17:13:40 | jmsbwtr_ | or at least, tryinmg to charge |
| 17:13:48 | bluebrother | and how does it "not charge"? |
| 17:14:11 | jmsbwtr_ | there is no charging logo, and ive left it plugged in all day and it still wont turn on |
| 17:14:16 | desowin | jmsbwtr_: try to reboot it |
| 17:14:24 | jmsbwtr_ | if i press enough buttons randomly eventually i can get the battery flat logo |
| 17:14:34 | jmsbwtr_ | i have tried rebooting it... |
| 17:14:43 | desowin | jmsbwtr_: I got the battery with ! logo |
| 17:14:58 | desowin | then just select hol, remove hold and press select+menu |
| 17:15:06 | desowin | so far it fixes the problem |
| 17:15:11 | desowin | I've got mini aswell |
| 17:15:22 | Nico_P | JdGordon: thanks for clearing 1400 bytes because that's approx. what I'm going to need for the tokenizer :( |
| 17:15:49 | JdGordon | haha no problem :) |
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| 17:15:53 | bluebrother | Nico_P: but he only moved that bytes to the audio buffer ... |
| 17:16:02 | jmsbwtr_ | desowin: if i do that, i get the flat battery logo, and then everything dissapears, so I've plugged it into usb but no charging logo |
| 17:16:19 | Nico_P | bluebrother: it seems to me that bin size is a more scarce resource than RAM ATM |
| 17:16:23 | jmsbwtr_ | i did that this morning and it's been plugged in all day, so if it had charged it should be done! at least enough to turn on! |
| 17:16:34 | bluebrother | RAM is also an issue for the archos models |
| 17:16:48 | JdGordon | ram will be maybe half as bad on archos... |
| 17:16:55 | Nico_P | bluebrother: damn archos models :) |
| 17:17:02 | Nico_P | JdGordon: what do you mean ? |
| 17:17:17 | JdGordon | they only use 48 of te structs instead of 72... |
| 17:17:44 | Nico_P | ok |
| 17:17:47 | desowin | jmsbwtr_: try rebooting, if that won't help - your battery is dead |
| 17:18:19 | jmsbwtr_ | what i cant figure out is why the battery went flat when the ipod had 93% the night before and was completely dead the next day |
| 17:18:30 | markun | JdGordon: do we have 72 filetypes? |
| 17:18:36 | jmsbwtr_ | i dont think the battery is dead because ive had no problems with it at all with the apple firmware :s |
| 17:18:45 | JdGordon | markun: dunno... we have more than 64 though |
| 17:19:04 | markun | wow |
| 17:19:07 | JdGordon | and this doesnt handle repeated extensions seperatly |
| 17:19:16 | bluebrother | wasn't that #define smaller on archos builds? |
| 17:19:33 | JdGordon | no, it was 48 for them... |
| 17:19:34 | desowin | jmsbwtr_: try to reboot and go into diagnostic or original firmware |
| 17:21:04 | jmsbwtr_ | ahh, i think it must have just been a very dead battery, when i tried restarting it with the usb cable plugged in it went to the charging logo, thanks desowin for the help |
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| 17:30:29 | GodEater_ | markun: you still here ? |
| 17:31:52 | tri170391 | I have just make a ipod nano build at about 23:00 PM (GMT+7) and after i update that build, the ipod sometimes crash at boot, sometimes crash after about 10 minutes, what the problem guys? |
| 17:32:11 | markun | GodEater_: yes |
| 17:32:17 | GodEater_ | I have a patch for configure |
| 17:32:27 | GodEater_ | it works with directories that include spaces in their names |
| 17:32:31 | GodEater_ | shall I Flyspray it ? |
| 17:32:58 | markun | I just tried with a dir with spaces in it and didn't have a problem with the current version |
| 17:33:07 | markun | strange |
| 17:33:17 | markun | sure, flyspray it |
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| 17:34:13 | GodEater_ | FS #6923 |
| 17:34:36 | GodEater_ | markun: the issue I think is when the parent directory has a space in it's name. |
| 17:34:41 | GodEater_ | not sure if that's what you tried |
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| 17:34:59 | markun | I made a symlink to my rockbox dir called "should not work" |
| 17:35:07 | tri170391 | and when i intend to download current build, ipod nano got 2 warnings. Is that ok to update? |
| 17:35:22 | GodEater_ | markun: yeah - I think your symlink should have been the directory above that |
| 17:35:27 | markun | ok |
| 17:36:34 | markun | GodEater_: no, the problem is the symlink :) |
| 17:36:56 | GodEater_ | markun: I just reverted my patch and tried with this -> /tmp/temp\ dir/rockbox - and that fails as with AceNik's issue |
| 17:37:01 | GodEater_ | my patch fixes that |
| 17:37:19 | GodEater_ | or "/tmp/temp dir/rockbox" if you prefer :) |
| 17:38:16 | perl|work | markun i wonder why people experiencing long boot times on gigabeats |
| 17:38:40 | perl|work | i never had such problem since we have sound on gigabeats |
| 17:39:11 | GodEater_ | perl|work: I don't suffer it either. I think it may be bad fragmentation combined with dircache issues. |
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| 17:39:34 | perl|work | yeah i think their hdd's is the key here |
| 17:39:41 | markun | perl|work: me neither |
| 17:40:03 | markun | as long as the people who could fix it don't have the problem it's not easy to track it down.. |
| 17:40:30 | toffe82 | I have a long boot time , but it is because I have the resume playback on at boot |
| 17:41:26 | toffe82 | the boot itself is fast but there is a message "loading" which stay é or 3 second before the main screen |
| 17:41:34 | toffe82 | 2 or 2 ^^ |
| 17:41:39 | markun | anoying |
| 17:41:53 | toffe82 | doyou have the option on at boot ? |
| 17:41:58 | markun | no |
| 17:42:12 | GodEater_ | toffe82: I have that option on - I don't call 2/3 seconds "long" though |
| 17:42:21 | GodEater_ | some of the complaints in the forums are for minute long pauses |
| 17:42:56 | toffe82 | it looks like the dircache problem I had a few weeks ago |
| 17:43:18 | GodEater_ | is the dircache held in nvram ? |
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| 17:43:37 | markun | nvram? |
| 17:43:37 | toffe82 | too much files, and the dircache take time to build |
| 17:44:08 | GodEater_ | er, nvram.bin, or somesuch file name |
| 17:44:50 | GodEater_ | yeah .rockbox/nvram.bin |
| 17:45:12 | GodEater_ | I assume it's in there somewhere, as there's no other place I could see that looks obvious |
| 17:45:15 | toffe82 | but it was not minutes, perhaps 30 seconds to 1 mn max with 80000 files and at the end the dir cache was not created |
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| 17:48:58 | GodEater_ | I recall the conversation |
| 17:48:59 | GodEater_ | :) |
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| 17:50:45 | perl|work | yes, one minute is definitely not OK |
| 17:50:54 | perl|work | nor 30 seconds |
| 17:51:42 | toffe82 | perhaps we should recommend not using the dircache if the drive is used as external hard drive, if you have only song, depend on the compression but you have like 10000 songs in 40gb (if I am wrong , tell me :) ) |
| 17:52:23 | GodEater_ | it would be nice to just publish the limit at which dircache goes wrong |
| 17:52:46 | toffe82 | 80000 is definitively wrong :) |
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| 17:55:31 | GodEater_ | we can categorically state that using dircache with 80,000 files is a bad idea :) |
| 17:56:07 | toffe82 | the doc say max 36000 I think |
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| 17:57:22 | toffe82 | or somebody mentionned it |
| 17:57:39 | GodEater_ | 36,000 seems a bit random |
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| 18:00:27 | GodEater_ | hmm. I could have sworn the use of backticks was discouraged these days. I can't find where I read that now though - so perhaps that bit of my patch to configure should be ignored. |
| 18:01:24 | Bagder | well they are, but older sh versions may not support the construct $() |
| 18:01:55 | GodEater_ | could you refresh my memory as to *why* they're considered bad though. I can't find a single reference to it with google |
| 18:02:01 | GodEater_ | only I'm sure I didn't dream it |
| 18:02:07 | Bagder | they can't be nested |
| 18:02:12 | GodEater_ | ah |
| 18:02:14 | Bagder | that's at least the main reason to me |
| 18:02:23 | GodEater_ | so obvious |
| 18:03:15 | pondlife | Backticks? As in // ? |
| 18:03:26 | GodEater_ | no backticks as in `` |
| 18:03:32 | pondlife | Ah |
| 18:03:38 | GodEater_ | I'll resubmit that patch then |
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| 18:04:46 | GodEater_ | there - that's better |
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| 18:05:50 | GodEater_ | fairly trivial patch, but clearly required by some people. |
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| 18:39:15 | Nico_P | Bagder: I just saw your mentoring suggestions... Isn't there a mentor who knows the playback code ? |
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| 18:39:32 | Bagder | nope |
| 18:39:46 | TylerM | hi all - tried out rockbox last week... neat stuff |
| 18:39:51 | Bagder | bbl |
| 18:40:04 | TylerM | But i'm a bit stuck right now trying to restore original system |
| 18:40:05 | Nico_P | Bagder: pity... couldn't those who know it be forced to apply as mentors ? :) |
| 18:40:07 | TylerM | on ipod video |
| 18:40:26 | Bagder | Nico_P: feel free to try ;-) |
| 18:40:36 | Nico_P | will do |
| 18:42:09 | TylerM | I erased the rockbox files but now my ipod only shows apple logo when starting... and doesn't boot :[ |
| 18:42:16 | TylerM | any pointers... trying to find more FAQ info on this |
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| 18:45:46 | * | TylerM is now reading http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2539.0;prev_next=next |
| 18:46:32 | TylerM | hhmm.. but it looks like my battery is dead :) |
| 18:46:44 | * | TylerM tries CPR ;) |
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| 18:48:33 | jhulst | TylerM: Have you tried this? http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodcolor/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
| 18:48:39 | jhulst | Section 2.6 |
| 18:48:52 | bluebrother | TylerM: did you uninstall the bootloader? |
| 18:49:03 | TylerM | hi bluebrother |
| 18:49:09 | TylerM | definitely not |
| 18:49:17 | TylerM | :[ |
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| 18:49:26 | Jazzis | How is the progress on the white "screen of death" problem on the Sansa. Also the problem where first 2-3 lines of the LCD screen allways has screen artifacts. Is anyone having any luck fixing these problems? |
| 18:49:39 | TylerM | bluebrother: if i go into disk mod i should then be able to fix that eh? |
| 18:49:43 | TylerM | mode |
| 18:49:53 | TylerM | just waiting for sufficient battery recharge now :) |
| 18:50:03 | bluebrother | uninstall the bootloader the same way you installed it |
| 18:50:04 | Nico_P | pondlife: please apply as a mentor ! :) |
| 18:50:16 | TylerM | bluebrother: gotcha - that was the piece that I was missing - thx |
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| 18:51:20 | Nico_P | pondlife: and i'm sure you have a vote, as you're a committer |
| 18:51:23 | TylerM | batteries suck |
| 18:51:59 | TylerM | so do wires... i have more wireless devices than ever and even more wires hanging off my desk now :) |
| 18:54:07 | pondlife | Nico_P: I'd like to, but I really don't have time. |
| 18:54:19 | pondlife | I couldn't do it justice. |
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| 18:54:46 | Nico_P | pondlife: pity... who else knows the playback engine well apart from lostlogic ? I doubt he has time either |
| 18:54:50 | pondlife | I also don't have a device that runs Rockbox at the moment, which is a bit odd for a mentor. |
| 18:55:06 | pondlife | jhMikeS? |
| 18:55:39 | pondlife | He knows more about the output side of playback than I do. And lostlogic knows much more about the buffering side than I do too. |
| 18:55:49 | amiconn | hrrmmm |
| 18:55:54 | Nico_P | pondlife: yeah, I should try to pressure him in applying as a mentor... |
| 18:56:05 | * | amiconn wonders when Slasheri will fix the nasty yellow |
| 18:56:09 | Nico_P | though lostlogic could have been of great help |
| 18:56:15 | pondlife | I'm always happy to attempt answering questions.. |
| 18:56:23 | * | jhMikeS is wondering if all frequency scalable targets can do frequencies in between normal and max |
| 18:56:34 | Nico_P | pondlife: there probably will be a lot :) |
| 18:56:47 | pondlife | I can't guarentee the correct answers though ;) |
| 18:56:57 | pondlife | Or how to spell guarantee |
| 18:57:08 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Why would you need that? |
| 18:57:16 | * | jhMikeS is hoping this low latency thing isn't dead before it starts |
| 18:57:27 | pondlife | Noooooo! |
| 18:57:40 | hcs | that'd be the appropriate death for it |
| 18:57:47 | amiconn | At least coldfire and pp can. Couldfire should stay restricted to integer multiples of the base, because of the timer prescaling |
| 18:57:50 | hcs | rather than one you'd have to wait for |
| 18:57:57 | pondlife | lol |
| 18:58:04 | jhMikeS | amiconn: because, with that tiny buffer and a high dsp load, and perhaps a low codec load, we'd be bouncing back and forth rapidly between it being empty and full boosting/unboosting at a rapid rate |
| 18:58:06 | pondlife | Dies in ms, not seconds |
| 18:58:09 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: could you explain what low latency is ? and also what do you think of applying as a mentor for the MoB project ? |
| 18:58:39 | amiconn | Hmm, the output should never need to boost imho |
| 18:58:46 | pondlife | I was just thinking that. |
| 18:58:57 | pondlife | The boost should be already covered, no? |
| 18:59:08 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: It means nearly all DSP operations would be applied just before output. Instant response to settings changes and other changes. |
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| 18:59:32 | Nico_P | ah, nice |
| 18:59:38 | pondlife | Think of alternative uses for low latency too - guitar effects box or even that wacky fax/modem !! |
| 18:59:44 | jhMikeS | I was thinking CPUFREQ_NORMAL could be variable and it gets set at a speed the just lets that buffer drain slowly |
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| 18:59:58 | * | pondlife is getting carried away, ignore him a bit |
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| 19:00:02 | jhMikeS | pondlife: can be done in a plugin already |
| 19:00:23 | pondlife | Yes, but it should be able to go through the same interface surely? |
| 19:00:30 | jhMikeS | I'm not sure that with a full load, boost won't sometimes be needed |
| 19:00:54 | jhMikeS | pondlife: you mean putting all that throught the core DSP? |
| 19:01:42 | pondlife | Yes, I'd think for voice support it would need to go into the mixer, say.... but I'm taking it to extremes here. |
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| 19:01:46 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: not sure about the GSoC thing. I don't thing I've got time. I'm pushing things already just to code stuff. |
| 19:01:58 | jhMikeS | voice always get's boost though |
| 19:02:12 | pondlife | Yes, but in the voice codec, not at output. |
| 19:02:13 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: ok |
| 19:02:20 | pondlife | OR does output do it too?! |
| 19:02:34 | pondlife | The playback monolith must die! |
| 19:02:42 | jhMikeS | If the time permitted I would in a second |
| 19:03:12 | insectoid | Interesting idea −− maybe a bit odd. but how about along side the talk, use the pcm beep thing that's used when you switch between tracks for a morse output. Just idle fancy. |
| 19:03:18 | jhMikeS | boost is boost...so the output gets boost too |
| 19:03:33 | pondlife | Yes, but I mean not requested by the output code... |
| 19:03:45 | * | jhMikeS sees no difficulty in beeping at any time |
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| 19:04:18 | jhMikeS | I think a voice channel will boost until it is empty |
| 19:04:51 | pondlife | I'm confused by your terminology here.. |
| 19:05:11 | jhMikeS | which? |
| 19:05:20 | pondlife | I think of a channel as being like a signal path - so we have 4 or however many channels going into a mixer. |
| 19:05:47 | pondlife | The voice codec may be using a channel, but a "voice channel" is nothing special, right? |
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| 19:06:49 | jhMikeS | pondlife: I think there will be some specialization to make things work efficiently so one will be dedicated to voice |
| 19:07:15 | pondlife | Is that really needed? |
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| 19:08:44 | jhMikeS | I think so yes...but not radically different. It's not like it takes up much memory itself. |
| 19:08:47 | pondlife | The voice codec (or text-to-speech engine) will be responsible for feeding the mixer, but I don't see how the dsp/mixer itself can influence much. |
| 19:09:10 | pondlife | What sort of specialization? |
| 19:09:12 | amiconn | XavierGr: r u there? |
| 19:09:32 | jhMikeS | One main channel will be straight through...other ones are played and then removed from the chain. |
| 19:09:55 | amiconn | Voice can always be mono for efficiency |
| 19:10:15 | pondlife | Other codecs might be mono too, the mixer should use this where possible. |
| 19:10:55 | jhMikeS | it will be, yes and then matched up at final mix to the main channel. All things affected by say, EQ, pass throught a single EQ. |
| 19:11:26 | pondlife | Doesn't EQ affect everything? i.e. post-mixer.. |
| 19:11:39 | pondlife | Crossfeed too... |
| 19:11:55 | jhMikeS | yup, except beeping really which would sum in after all that. |
| 19:12:25 | pondlife | Why special case for beeping? Not a big problem to EQ the sum instead is it? |
| 19:12:42 | jhMikeS | pondlife: You saw the ASCii diagram :) |
| 19:12:47 | pondlife | No? |
| 19:12:53 | pondlife | Where is it? |
| 19:13:25 | jhMikeS | My spiel in the users group...I replied with (loose) diagrams of it. |
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| 19:13:44 | pondlife | Ah, I don't go there very often nowadays. |
| 19:14:10 | jhMikeS | Unless you're not Steve Bavin I think you responded to one ;) |
| 19:14:35 | pondlife | I am, and I did, but I don't recall the diagram.. ;) |
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| 19:15:24 | pondlife | Aha, it's in a response to me that I hadn't read |
| 19:15:36 | jhMikeS | If you want EQ is your beeps I think it could go there...won't matter really. |
| 19:16:14 | pondlife | I don't much care if the beep is EQed, but I'd expect if all channels could be equal it would make for nicer code |
| 19:16:26 | pondlife | And I care lots about nice, simple, stable code :) |
| 19:16:41 | jhMikeS | That's the thing...it should make little difference |
| 19:16:55 | pondlife | OK, you're doing it, I'm not... so I'll shut up!! |
| 19:17:08 | jhMikeS | hehe |
| 19:17:21 | pondlife | So is it dead yet? :p |
| 19:19:05 | XavierGr | amiconn: yes I am |
| 19:19:09 | jhMikeS | I hope not...but that buffer length...and having full bit depth and not resampling ahead of time makes things real tight. I think I will need to make sure the codecs also don't get held up during a drive spinup. I hope it's possible to be able to spin the disk but not wait on it. Would make life easier. |
| 19:20:01 | pondlife | Are you planning on having a latency setting for the buffer size? Might be useful for different devices... |
| 19:20:14 | jhMikeS | that would be utterly trivial |
| 19:20:18 | pondlife | i.e. a system limit setting - would need a reboot to take effect |
| 19:20:35 | jhMikeS | you could even implement a different output buffer for each target since it's not even 200 lines |
| 19:21:02 | jhMikeS | no need to reboot. just stop playback and reinit the buffers |
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| 19:21:33 | pondlife | I'm thinking that those who use peak meters or lots of EQ bands may need a slightly higher latency perhaps? |
| 19:22:52 | jhMikeS | perhaps. I really need to just have basic playback working with a single channel and the beep and watching things. |
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| 19:27:26 | jhMikeS | In any case the buffer is so short that if it does get lagged a bit we get back to not having fine speed control possibly being a problem there. On a .1s buffer, locking the PLL takes 10% of that time itself. urgh. |
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| 19:32:46 | jhMikeS | how much lag is acceptable between, say selecting a menu item and hearing the voicing? playback of voice can't be forced ahead when playing music. There's also pausing which I hope can just let the dma play out whatever it has. Pause just stops giving it data. |
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| 19:34:58 | jhMikeS | big, sloppy buffers are somewhat of a luxury |
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| 19:45:32 | jhMikeS | please come forth with ideas...the "damn, I shoulda thought of that myself" kind that helps moves a project along are the best. :) |
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| 19:53:21 | jmsbwtr_ | ok, i ws on here earlier, but my problem aint been fixed... my ipod battery is completely dead, and it won't charge up... |
| 19:53:41 | jmsbwtr_ | i installed rock box, it worked fine for a day, but when i came to it the day after the battery was completely flat |
| 19:54:27 | jmsbwtr_ | now when i try to charge it, i can get the charging logo up, but it isn't animated and no matter how long i leave it in for the thing will still come up with the battery & exclamation mark |
| 19:54:39 | jmsbwtr_ | I tried getting into disk mode but no luck as there is not enough battery power... |
| 19:57:25 | jmsbwtr_ | i cant even get the apple logo up |
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| 19:59:51 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Sorry, been away. Two things... |
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| 20:00:05 | pondlife | 1) Pause should stop the music, but NOT the voice |
| 20:00:17 | pondlife | So it needs to not pause the output/DMA... |
| 20:00:26 | bluebrother | jmsbwtr_: don't know if you tried that already, but: |
| 20:00:30 | bluebrother | power down the Ipod |
| 20:00:35 | bluebrother | attach the usb cable |
| 20:00:50 | bluebrother | when the ipod comes up / start the ipod |
| 20:00:56 | jhMikeS | pondlife: 1) exactly, we pause the codec channels, the voice keeps playing |
| 20:01:09 | bluebrother | when the bootloader starts (apple sign) enter disk mode by pressing Select + Play |
| 20:01:23 | jmsbwtr_ | i dont get as far as the apple sign |
| 20:01:26 | pondlife | jhMikeS: 2) The current voicing lag is acceptable IMHO. |
| 20:01:27 | bluebrother | if it awakes to disk mode you can safely charge it there for a while |
| 20:01:27 | jmsbwtr_ | not enough battery |
| 20:01:32 | jhMikeS | DMA is never stopped unless done explicitly to shut everything up |
| 20:01:52 | pondlife | Ah, sorry - I misread you |
| 20:01:55 | pondlife | Good |
| 20:01:55 | bluebrother | charging is done in hardware iirc, so you could simply connect the usb cable and wait some hours |
| 20:02:26 | pondlife | Do you think there's likely to be more voice lag with low latency? I would have thought the opposite... |
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| 20:02:40 | jhMikeS | 2) How much lag is there now? It's much laggier during playback for sure. |
| 20:02:43 | bluebrother | worked for me when the ipod battery was really flat |
| 20:02:45 | jmsbwtr_ | if i plug it in get the non animated chargin icon up, and unplug the cable, the icon stays there, im assuming thats bad! |
| 20:02:48 | jmsbwtr_ | ? |
| 20:02:56 | pondlife | Indeed, but acceptably so. |
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| 20:03:07 | pondlife | It won't get worse than that, will it. |
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| 20:03:24 | jhMikeS | pondlife: I think it could be less and more responsive perhaps. |
| 20:03:36 | pondlife | less and more? |
| 20:03:44 | pondlife | less lag, more responsive |
| 20:03:56 | pondlife | Well that would obviously be good.. |
| 20:03:57 | bluebrother | jmsbwtr_: have you tried charging it with that icon? |
| 20:04:08 | jhMikeS | yes since it should be inserted .1s before output always |
| 20:05:01 | jhMikeS | oh, another voice channel specialization might be to store its as 16-bit samples and not 32-bit |
| 20:05:22 | jmsbwtr_ | bluebrother: yes, i left it for about 1 and a half - 2 hours, on the apple site it says that after about half an hour it will go to animated, but it hadn't so i tried to find out what was going wrong |
| 20:05:48 | jmsbwtr_ | and i left the cable plugged in but no logo up for about 8 hours and it still saying battery is dead |
| 20:05:49 | pondlife | Why not allow any channel to use 16-bit? Like mono, maybe the codec could decide... |
| 20:05:50 | bluebrother | hmm, that sounds strange |
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| 20:06:39 | jhMikeS | they might have that but since most codecs have > 16bit most of the time they'll be 32-bit |
| 20:06:41 | jmsbwtr_ | yea, and i dont think the battery is dead because it wsa fine before i installed rockbox, for some reason i think that rockbox isnt allowing it to charge, but i dont know why |
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| 20:07:57 | bluebrother | really strange. Sorry, but I don't have any other ideas :( |
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| 20:09:00 | jmsbwtr_ | no worries, thanks for help |
| 20:09:47 | jmsbwtr_ | i might just leave it for another few hours, see if it does eventually decide to charge |
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| 20:10:29 | jhMikeS | pondlife: I suppose it gets left as whatever the codec sends until it is processed...exept for voice which would be truncated before ever being buffered |
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| 20:14:33 | pondlife | Is there much of a memory/speed gain from using 16 bit for voice only? |
| 20:14:44 | jhMikeS | something this opens up is to make it easier to use different output depths on targets that need it |
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| 20:14:52 | jhMikeS | pondlife: half the memory :) |
| 20:14:55 | pondlife | You said 32-bit was more efficient though |
| 20:15:05 | pondlife | And these are short-ish buffers. |
| 20:15:12 | jhMikeS | it's only 11kHz though |
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| 20:18:45 | jhMikeS | I suppose I'll try it both ways when ready and see what does better overall |
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| 20:22:42 | jhMikeS | this is just taking me back to some early recording anxiety where I was constantly going "how the hell am I gonna pull this off"? :P |
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| 20:29:56 | Lachienne | hi ppl |
| 20:30:09 | bluebrother | hi |
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| 20:37:46 | AceNik | hey guys anyone know how to apply a patch "patch < patchfile" , here in case of "patchfile " im i supposed to put the patch name |
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| 20:38:45 | jhMikeS | at least the basic framework was for codec recording was designed already. this is basically a scratch job. |
| 20:41:04 | markun | AceNik: yes, you apply a patch like that |
| 20:41:12 | markun | try adding -p 0 if it doesn't work |
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| 20:41:52 | JavaMan22 | :) |
| 20:42:12 | JavaMan22 | i was mad 2 days ago because my rockbox kept crashing now im happy again |
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| 20:43:46 | Lachienne | hi |
| 20:43:49 | JavaMan22 | hi |
| 20:44:20 | Lachienne | could an iAudio X5 run the bauer crossfeed filter : |
| 20:44:33 | Lachienne | http://bs2b.sourceforge.net/ ? |
| 20:44:39 | JavaMan22 | i dont know :( |
| 20:45:10 | * | jhMikeS has to check that one out |
| 20:45:18 | markun | Lachienne: what's wrong with our crossfeed? |
| 20:45:40 | Lachienne | I read that the rockbox crossfeed is very basic and works just like a stereo expander, is that right ? |
| 20:46:12 | Lachienne | markun : i'd never heard it or look further at it |
| 20:46:17 | markun | it's basic, but doesn't work like a stereo expander |
| 20:46:20 | markun | did you listen to it? |
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| 20:46:50 | AceNik | <markun>buddy where do i place the patch file , im trying to integrate the "calculator_tan.patch", so the command would be $patch < calculator_tan , n above the path wuld be the root of my rockbox folder rite |
| 20:47:12 | jhMikeS | the filter equations look the same |
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| 20:47:55 | markun | AceNik: put it in your rockbox folder |
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| 20:48:06 | markun | Lachienne: where did you read this btw? |
| 20:48:19 | Lachienne | hmm segfaults sorry |
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| 20:49:01 | Lachienne | markun : on a french hardware forum |
| 20:49:12 | markun | Lachienne: can you show me? I want to correct them :) |
| 20:49:48 | jhMikeS | we have no high boost, just high cut but it's tight enough it seems like it could run this variant |
| 20:49:58 | Lachienne | is there a description somewhere of the filter ( comparatively to other ones : ChuMoy, .. ) |
| 20:50:02 | Lachienne | ?d |
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| 20:51:07 | markun | preglow: was there a forum post where jlo showed you his crossfeed filter parameters? |
| 20:51:21 | AceNik | <markun>so would this patch now work if i compile a simulator & try |
| 20:51:57 | markun | AceNik: did the patch command say that it was applied correctly? |
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| 20:53:04 | AceNik | it said patchin file after that nothin else appeared |
| 20:54:17 | markun | it should |
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| 20:54:50 | markun | normally it tells you how much was applied and how much was rejected (if any) |
| 20:54:52 | JavaMan22 | is rockepedia work on 5.5g now? |
| 20:54:59 | JavaMan22 | *working |
| 20:58:51 | markun | JavaMan22: your guess is probably as good or better than mine |
| 20:59:12 | markun | did it have some ipod 5.5g specific problems? |
| 20:59:19 | JavaMan22 | i never tryed it |
| 20:59:25 | JavaMan22 | i just discovered it today |
| 20:59:50 | JavaMan22 | i want to get wikipedia on my rockbox can i? |
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| 21:00:00 | markun | I don't know |
| 21:00:15 | JavaMan22 | :( |
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| 21:00:32 | markun | why don't you check the place where you fond it? Doesn't it say if it works or not? |
| 21:00:37 | markun | found even |
| 21:00:43 | JavaMan22 | it said last updated in 2006 |
| 21:00:53 | scorche | JavaMan22: that is an unsupported feature...you shouldnt even be coming to us about it |
| 21:01:08 | JavaMan22 | ooo |
| 21:01:16 | markun | JavaMan22: you see, now you've made scorche angry.. |
| 21:01:22 | scorche | haha |
| 21:01:23 | markun | is that what you want? huh? :) |
| 21:01:28 | JavaMan22 | >:o |
| 21:01:52 | markun | scorche: don't take it personal, I'm sure he didn't mean anything by it :) |
| 21:02:10 | JavaMan22 | i just want some neat things on my rockbox |
| 21:02:23 | * | scorche just sits there drooling while his chain is being held back by markun |
| 21:03:13 | markun | I watched a futurama episode on my gigabeat in the metro, it was amazing :) |
| 21:03:44 | JavaMan22 | markun do you have stuff on rockbox that doesnt come with it? |
| 21:04:02 | * | joshin knew that open source devs were often chained and drooling |
| 21:04:06 | markun | JavaMan22: no |
| 21:04:17 | JavaMan22 | o |
| 21:04:29 | Stalwart | my nano is much more stable with dualcore support disabled |
| 21:04:37 | Stalwart | it didn't crash for whole day |
| 21:05:13 | markun | :) |
| 21:05:30 | AceNik | <markun>http://www.pastebin.ca/413870 |
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| 21:06:41 | AceNik | sorry for such a big o/p i just cleared screen |
| 21:07:47 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:07:55 | markun | AceNik: :) |
| 21:08:11 | AceNik | so is it ok ? |
| 21:08:16 | JavaMan22 | i dont get patches |
| 21:08:35 | JavaMan22 | does that mean it has changes with other files that comes with rockbox? |
| 21:08:47 | JavaMan22 | im trying to get rocklife |
| 21:08:50 | markun | JavaMan22: yes, they are changes to the official rockbox source |
| 21:08:55 | JavaMan22 | oo |
| 21:09:02 | JavaMan22 | i dont like those then |
| 21:09:07 | markun | :) |
| 21:09:14 | JavaMan22 | why cant rocklife just be this one c file |
| 21:09:19 | markun | AceNik: no, it's not ok |
| 21:09:21 | JavaMan22 | then i can compile it |
| 21:09:41 | scorche | JavaMan22: a patch is much easier to deal with then a c file |
| 21:09:44 | AceNik | then what is the problem here? |
| 21:09:55 | JavaMan22 | but i dont want to have modified official files |
| 21:09:59 | markun | AceNik: it says 3 out of 4 chunks failed |
| 21:10:27 | markun | so it looks like the patch is outdated |
| 21:10:57 | scorche | JavaMan22: then be content with just changing the config file only |
| 21:11:07 | JavaMan22 | ? |
| 21:11:15 | scorche | there really is nothing wrong with modified files... |
| 21:11:25 | AceNik | <markun> check the last 2 lines buddy , i re patched later , the whole screen is the work ive done throughout the day , thats wat is the mistake |
| 21:11:27 | JavaMan22 | what if something goes wrong |
| 21:11:40 | scorche | like what? |
| 21:11:47 | JavaMan22 | i dont know like a crash |
| 21:12:05 | JavaMan22 | or i wont be able to use other plugins or something that use the original version of a file |
| 21:12:08 | scorche | then it crashes and you go get/make a different build |
| 21:12:17 | JavaMan22 | :/ |
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| 21:12:52 | scorche | "As of the deadline, we've received 6,179 student applications from over 3,000 students." |
| 21:13:07 | JavaMan22 | :) |
| 21:13:10 | AceNik | <markun>http://www.pastebin.ca/413879 |
| 21:13:22 | JavaMan22 | is this the first year you have entered google summer code |
| 21:13:49 | scorche | the org?...yes |
| 21:13:58 | JavaMan22 | oo |
| 21:14:16 | JavaMan22 | can cygwin access linux partition? |
| 21:14:44 | AceNik | <markun>also check here http://www.pastebin.ca/413881 |
| 21:15:26 | markun | AceNik: well, if it works it work |
| 21:15:28 | markun | s |
| 21:16:40 | AceNik | <markun>ill patch another 1 & show you? |
| 21:16:50 | markun | AceNik: no thanks |
| 21:17:15 | markun | just go on, you'll get there |
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| 21:23:01 | robin0800 | I'm a noobie HydraIRC user! |
| 21:23:45 | nebudk | hello, can anyone please tell me how to apply a patch on my h320? Its regarding the patch for the mpeg viewer |
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| 21:25:06 | robin0800 | I'm a noobie HydraIRC user! |
| 21:26:37 | markun | robin0800: does HydraIRC say that automatically? |
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| 21:27:24 | markun | robin0800: what's up? |
| 21:27:48 | nebudk | I really want to know about how to apply a patch on my h320 |
| 21:27:53 | nebudk | please :) |
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| 21:28:44 | voltagex | hi, any project admins here? |
| 21:30:51 | markun | voltagex: about the wiki? |
| 21:31:38 | voltagex | markun: nah, I'm actually wanting permission to do a Rockbox topic on the BinRev podcast |
| 21:32:05 | markun | sounds good |
| 21:32:45 | voltagex | I need someone uber knowledgeable to check over my show notes to make sure I haven't said anything wrong |
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| 21:40:35 | markun | voltagex: well, you can ask it here. |
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| 21:40:39 | webguest54 | hi |
| 21:40:42 | webguest54 | hio |
| 21:41:04 | petur | hia |
| 21:41:05 | hcs | markun: I suspect he wants his notes reviewed without just publishing them. |
| 21:41:25 | webguest54 | wer hat einen sansa |
| 21:41:31 | voltagex | hcs: sorry, should have made myself more clear |
| 21:41:37 | petur | webguest54: english please |
| 21:42:10 | webguest54 | have a sansa e200 |
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| 21:42:35 | webguest54 | with rockbox |
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| 21:43:46 | JavaMan22 | hehe |
| 21:43:55 | Smove | ho |
| 21:44:15 | JavaMan22 | hi |
| 21:44:28 | * | Nico_P just committed a cuesheet change that *might* get a green size delta ! :) |
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| 21:46:48 | jhMikeS | that thread killing thing is just asking for so much trouble...the only safe thread kill is _maybe_ on itself |
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| 21:48:45 | Ice8lue | Hey@all |
| 21:49:05 | petur | ho |
| 21:50:32 | Ice8lue | dan_a: got just one question...today i updated my rockbox on the sansa with today's build (wasnt able to test the last two weeks because of holidays) and just recognized that the screen flickering was gone. how did u get this? |
| 21:52:13 | jhMikeS | it's not like there's a tracker of held locks and which objects it's blocking on |
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| 21:54:01 | * | bluebrother just found this "How to Report Bugs Effectively" |
| 21:54:06 | bluebrother | http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html |
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| 21:54:35 | pixelma | Nico_P: green delta but a bit more yellow in the build table |
| 21:54:51 | Nico_P | pixelma: I'm about to fix this |
| 21:54:57 | Nico_P | but I got green :D |
| 21:55:07 | donutman25 | does rebuffering in mpegplayer work? |
| 21:55:35 | bluebrother | Nico_P: cheers to green delta ;-) |
| 21:55:46 | jhMikeS | it seems to, my gigabeat played elephant's dream right through |
| 21:55:48 | bluebrother | donutman25: afaik it is supposed to work. Haven't tried myself |
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| 21:56:17 | Nico_P | bluebrother: :) It's my first time ! I'm so happy :p |
| 21:56:20 | bluebrother | watching videos on greyscale targets isn't too much fun. I prefer my computer ;-) |
| 21:56:24 | Nico_P | thanks to my family, my friends... |
| 21:56:30 | bluebrother | hehe |
| 21:56:32 | Ice8lue | lol^^ |
| 21:56:43 | bluebrother | Nico_P: what do you want to say? |
| 21:56:44 | JavaMan22 | to JavaMan22 |
| 21:56:45 | jhMikeS | it's not easy being green do doubt |
| 21:56:57 | * | bluebrother awaits the answer "and I want ... world peace" :D |
| 21:57:23 | * | GodEater prefers the honest answer "and I want ... lots of money" |
| 21:57:27 | Nico_P | bluebrother: I'm so happy there are no words :p but world peace sounds good |
| 21:57:36 | jhMikeS | world peace through negative size deltas? that's the secret? :P |
| 21:58:40 | * | Ice8lue is waiting for an answer :-/ |
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| 21:59:04 | jhMikeS | GodEater: I'm partial to that sort of green with positive size deltas :) |
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| 21:59:33 | * | bluebrother remembers that sentence from "Miss Undercover" ;-) |
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| 22:01:41 | AceNik | <markun>what oes this mean " clock skew detected ,your build may be incomplete sometime(0.8s) int he future " it says |
| 22:02:12 | Ice8lue | ^^ |
| 22:02:21 | petur | it's a cygwin thing |
| 22:02:39 | Lear | Rather, make on Cygwin thing. |
| 22:02:54 | Bagder | rather, make on cygwin on fat thing |
| 22:03:03 | petur | AceNik: it's because of the lower time resolution of the windows filesystem |
| 22:03:04 | hcs | cygwin attempts to alleviate speed issues with small amounts of time travel, still it's too slow |
| 22:03:05 | AceNik | so is it ok to ignore it? |
| 22:03:07 | Lear | True. Make has code to "fix" it, but it isn't enabled on Cygwin. |
| 22:03:28 | petur | hcs: lol |
| 22:05:28 | AceNik | guys i have made a H10 [20 GB] Theme with WPS, based on vista its made supporting angryman's build can i still post it for the gallery ? |
| 22:06:21 | amiconn | I never got that timestamp warning on cygwin without reason |
| 22:06:22 | * | Ice8lue really wants to have an answer |
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| 22:06:52 | amiconn | (but then I'm not running cygwin on fat) |
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| 22:26:13 | preglow | markun: can't remember |
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| 22:34:53 | elborak | I want to add a few bits of info to DeviceChart#SanDisk_units. Can I please be given write permission (WikiName DavidGentzel)? Thanks. |
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| 22:36:04 | Bagder | elborak: done! |
| 22:37:08 | elborak | Thanks Bagder. |
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| 23:05:27 | bluebrother | hmm. is FS #6926 a valid task or is this once again one of these "use proper settings" issue? |
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| 23:07:40 | Nico_P | Bagder: what do you think is better between defines and an enum ? (it's for the toeknizer, with code size in mind) |
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| 23:08:14 | Bagder | Nico_P: for tokens, I think I'd prefer enum |
| 23:08:38 | Nico_P | Bagder: I'm kinda relieved :) |
| 23:09:08 | Bagder | hehe |
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| 23:35:16 | smably | so, rockbox thinks the default gigabeat battery capacity is 2000 mAh, but GigabeatInfo says it's 830 mAh |
| 23:35:21 | smably | anybody know which is correct? |
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| 23:36:37 | Nico_P | smably: it's 830 |
| 23:36:51 | Nico_P | or maybe not exactly that but it's surely not 2000 |
| 23:36:53 | markun | smably: and the value doesn't matter |
| 23:36:56 | markun | just ignore it |
| 23:37:23 | Nico_P | markun: what does it take to get the battery meter probably calibrated ? |
| 23:37:24 | smably | ok. doesn't that mean the battery life estimate will be wildly wrong, though? |
| 23:37:38 | markun | smably: it will be anyway |
| 23:37:43 | smably | ah, okay. |
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| 23:57:52 | Ham | hello |
| 23:58:59 | Ham | i have a 30 GB 5G iPod |
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