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#rockbox log for 2007-03-29

00:00:05Moos select the icon of your player (5G)
00:00:59Mooshere is the link
00:01:40Moosmanual is pretty usufull too ;)
00:02:05Hamif i install it, could it ever screw up my iPod?
00:02:16Hamor is it 100% guaranteed?
00:02:25Moosjust folow well the instructons
00:02:56dberg918hey, I have a question about compiling the current SVN build for the H10...I'm getting an error in what appears to be a file called rockbox.elf
00:03:19dberg918is this still because of commits 12926 and 12928?
00:03:35Moosmaybe, do you use any patches?
00:03:46dberg918yeah, album art and scroll margins
00:04:19Hami got it
00:04:22Hamhow do i install
00:04:28dberg918scroll margins was recently synced
00:04:46Moosdberg918: then I canot know :), that's not officially suported, no patches used here ;)
00:05:28MoosHam: folow instructions on the manual
00:05:53dberg918I see...I think the current SVN is causing random freezes on PortalPlayer builds now, regardless of patches
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00:06:33Moosdberg918: sorry I'm not a pp player user, maybe try clean svn
00:08:16dberg918I suppose it's worth a try, I think someone tried to fix the freezes yesterday
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00:08:54Moosyep, the one that unvolontary created it
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00:14:43dberg918yeah, the current SVN is still having some's not working too well, and all of a sudden I can't stop music playback
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00:15:47Moosdberg918: just be patient, and the bug will be spoted and fixed by Slasheri, just use build before the bug was introduced
00:16:14dberg918actually, I retract the last comment
00:16:48dberg918the backlight was turning off during video playback
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00:26:44Soapwas scroll margins recently synced?
00:27:32SoapHas anyone but me tested my attempt at syncing the scroll margins patch?
00:27:40Hami installed
00:27:47Hamthe Doom game doesn't work!
00:27:55Hamit says Missing WAD File
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00:34:58dberg918Soap: I was able to patch successfully in cygwin, but I'm getting compiling errors at the moment because of a recent attempt to improve the COP on PortalPlayer targets
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00:51:37guestim having trouble installing
00:51:40guestneed help
00:51:57linuxstbWhat are you installing on?
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00:52:36markunguest: nice player :)
00:52:39linuxstbAre you using Windows?
00:52:50guesti am using windows XP
00:52:56linuxstbWhat's the problem?
00:53:05midgeymarkun: did you see my menu commit message?
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00:53:25guesti checked the installing guide
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00:53:31guestdid all i had to do replaced the files
00:53:40guesti boot up and its stil gigabeats real thing that comes up
00:53:55midgeydid you turn the battery switch to off and back to on?
00:54:24guestah its working :P
00:54:30linuxstbHow does that work? Why do you need to turn the battery switch off?
00:54:41guesti dono it just works
00:54:49guestand is there a way to get a nice looking layout for it
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00:55:12midgeymake sure you have the font pack installed, then look at themes
00:55:26guestand where are the themes?
00:56:04midgeylook at WPSGallery on the wiki or
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00:56:33guestan d tell me does rockbox make my player play videos?
00:57:05midgeyPluginMpegplayer on the wiki
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00:57:37toffe82guest : you can use rbutils to load everything
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00:58:02toffe82I don't know why nobody offer this option ?
00:58:25*midgey loves rbutil
00:58:27markunmidgey: ah, so you still don't know the cause of the problem?
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00:58:57guestwhat does that do??
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00:59:16midgeymarkun: no, it may hint at an issue with the lcd driver. On target, one line is drawn (incorrectly) and the player looks up
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00:59:26guesti have it up and running :P
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00:59:53midgeyin the sim, it refreshes as a rectangle that expands from the center
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01:00:20midgeyon target, i refreshes one line in the center of the screen, all the way across
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01:01:13guestany one have mario bros?? :P
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01:02:03midgeyguest: we dont provide links to roms in here
01:02:12guestbut how do i use if i have
01:02:14toffe82guest : with rbutils, you don't have to download from different places, it is an interface with all the option for downloading rockbox, it is easier
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01:02:34markunguest: just click on the rom and it will play
01:02:39guestwill it install rockbox again?
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01:02:54markunguest: did you check the PluginMpegplayer wiki page?
01:03:38guestim setting up a theme first
01:03:43guestthen ill get to it ;)
01:03:52guestwhat do i do once the files for my theme are in?
01:04:47XavierGrrobin0800: fo your tests I advise to join #test :)
01:05:21SuperDSombreroI put some NSF files on my ipod, but rockbox only plays the first track from the file. Is there a way to get to the other tracks?
01:05:42midgeyany opposition to me changing mpegplayer volume to left and right on gigabeat?
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01:06:07midgeySuperDSombrero: hold fast-forward like you were seeking
01:06:11XavierGrSuperDSombrero: tap forward once and the track index should change
01:06:24XavierGr(or was it hold forward?)
01:06:32midgeyits hold :P
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01:06:57guesthow do i set up the theme
01:07:00guesti added the files
01:07:02guestthen what?
01:07:20SuperDSombrerooh, thanks
01:07:30midgeyguest: menu>settings>browse themes
01:07:52midgeythen click on the theme you want to change to
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01:08:46linuxstbmidgey: No, go ahead and change mpegplayer
01:10:11guestand how do i get to my music files?
01:10:42midgeymenu>files and then browse around like file view
01:10:44markunguest: did you transfer them with either gigabeat room or wmp?
01:11:18markunguest: you can't play those with rockbox
01:11:32guestso i just delete em in my directort
01:11:35XavierGramiconn: nice work on greek for the player
01:11:37*midgey forgot about SAT encryption
01:11:39markunyou have to copy the original files
01:12:03XavierGramiconn: can't find something wrong right now, except the unstressed capital letters
01:12:13midgeylinuxstb: do you use vlc to convert videos on mac?
01:12:44linuxstbNo. I think I used ffmpegX once, but I normally use Linux - mencoder or mpeg2enc (from mjpegtools)
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01:14:05guestalright now for the videos where do i go?
01:14:18midgeymarkun: also my gigabeat sometimes changes the background color when the screen is cleared. sometimes it changes to the foreground color or the complement to the foreground color.
01:14:33midgeyis this normal or is my gigabeat possessed?
01:14:55midgeyguest: has some test videos
01:15:05linuxstbguest: You don't need to download the plugin - it's already installed with Rockbox. That page just tells you how to use it.
01:15:06markunmidgey: it's a known bug
01:15:12midgeyuse the page linuxstb linked to learn how to convert your own
01:15:22markunmidgey: it depends on the background colour of the last used plugin..
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01:15:46midgeymarkun: glad to hear, at least my gigabeat seems to be in working order then
01:16:16midgeysounds like you diagnosed the problem better than i did :)
01:16:42guestworks like a charm
01:16:51guestnow someone tell me WHAT i do to get video
01:16:54guestdownlaod anything?
01:17:40linuxstbguest: You don't need to download the plugin - it's already installed with Rockbox. That page just tells you how to use it.
01:17:46toffe82guest : just encode your favorite movie
01:17:54guestkool :P
01:17:56guesti love this
01:18:05guestim glad i landed on a youtube video with this
01:18:48Lloreanffmpeg crashes when I try to get it to encode h264. =/ (I was playing with what else WinFF could make easier for me)
01:18:49markunguest: for a start you can download the 'elefants dream' movie from the' extra' download section to see the video player in action
01:20:17linuxstbmarkun: What do you think about screen rotation on the gigabeat? Do you want it as an option?
01:20:47guesthow do i convert to the right format?
01:20:52markunlinuxstb: in general or in the mpegplayer?
01:21:01markunguest: it's all in the wiki page
01:21:16linuxstbmarkun: In general.
01:21:28markunlinuxstb: could be nice
01:21:44LloreanI think it could be nice in general.
01:22:20linuxstbI think it's feasible, at least for core Rockbox - the "screens API" in Rockbox should allow screen rotation, as the width and height are variables.
01:22:50linuxstbMost plugins will just need to be hard-coded to portrait or landscape I think.
01:22:53guestwinff i cant download :(
01:23:47markunwith some small changs to the button driver and the LCD code it shouldn't be too difficult to do it
01:23:54*Llorean thinks we should host our own copy of WinFF, or better yet, incorporate its function into RbUtil.
01:24:24markunguest: did you try 'elefants dream'?
01:24:44markuneasier than encoding your own movie
01:24:46guestbut ill try one of my own
01:24:54markunok, as you wish
01:24:58guesti have some already encoded
01:25:12midgeyLlorean: is there a way to look at a list of registered users on the forum?
01:25:16linuxstbguest: To the specifications listed on the PluginMpegplayer page/
01:25:26Lloreanmidgey: Yes
01:25:27guestill try
01:25:42*midgey hopes he hasnt missed something simple...
01:25:52midgeyoh my
01:26:01*midgey slaps himself
01:26:21toffe82you should try this movie :
01:26:51midgeyalso, i think some of the committers are missing from staff
01:26:58guestok but can i have the link to the page where it says how to encode
01:27:01linuxstbtoffe82: Can mpegplayer play that?
01:27:21markunguest: we gave it already
01:27:24Lloreanguest: You've been given the link to the PluginMpegplayer page twice now.
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01:27:39toffe82I download a version a long time ago and I encode it for the gigabeat cause it was the vga one
01:27:41guesti have it
01:27:46guestits just the download is not working
01:27:56guestfor winff
01:28:10LloreanTry one of the other methods then
01:28:17toffe82this should be a reference movie, good music and good story
01:28:25linuxstbtoffe82: The mpeg-1 320x240 version seems perfect for mpegplayer - it's a program stream with 44.1KHz audio...
01:28:40toffe82try it ;
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01:29:04toffe82this site is full of small movies for pda
01:29:18toffe82so you should find the good format
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01:30:00markunguest: and in case you want to watch a movie while trying to encode your own:
01:30:07midgeytoffe82: seems to work well here
01:30:10smablysomebody want to fix FS #6924? (it's trivial)
01:30:27toffe82midgey : good movie ?
01:30:46midgeya monk just got axed
01:31:58toffe82after try this one
01:32:42guestumm is it normal the installer for winff isnt even working???
01:32:48markuntoffe82: ah yes, I know that one
01:32:49guestcuz i wanna encode my movies bu i cant!
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01:33:26Lloreanguest: As I said, try one of the other installer methods\
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01:33:37markunguest: this is just your first rockbox day, don't expect everything to work at once :)
01:33:38Lloreanguest: WinFF is not our software, and we can't really be responsible for it.
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01:38:54*Domonoky reads in the logs about rbutil and WinFF... WinFF is written in Pascal :-(
01:39:20linuxstbDomonoky: There's a challenge for you...
01:39:46Domonokyno, thanxs :-)
01:39:50LloreanDomonoky: You don't need to use WinFF itself.
01:40:01LloreanDomonoky: Most of what it does is generate a .bat file with the command line to run ffmpeg with
01:41:39Domonokybut i will finish my gui rework on rbutil first.. :-)
01:41:50LloreanOf course, no hurry. It was more or less a random spouting if an idea.
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01:46:03LloreanI'm just somewhat fond of ffmpeg now. I've just thrown flv, wmv, DivX and XVid files of varying sources at it, and it's converted them all fine. I haven't played the FLV and WMV sourced files on my device yet, but they play fine on the PC and seem right.
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01:51:37Nico_PDomonoky: seen my rbutil patch ?
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01:52:04Nico_PLlorean: when album art becomes official, it could be nice to have rbutil help the users manage it
01:52:55Nico_Pand maybe it could also be made capable of building the database ?
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01:56:55LloreanNico_P: I think both of those might be a good ear for it to grow.
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01:57:39Soapwhen you say "manage" you are envisioning...?
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01:58:11_Amblinlinux you in?
01:58:43LloreanSoap: For me, just a case of, while building the database, scanning for embedded art and extracting it to file-specific art.
01:58:45Nico_PSoap: converting JPEG covers to bitmaps of a size chosen by the user
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01:59:00jhMikeSI know the conversion ended probably an hour ago :) but why can't plugins just use screens?
01:59:02Soapahh, ok.
01:59:03Nico_PLlorean: I hadn't thought of that but it would be great
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02:00:52_AmblinLlorean: I believe the A/V sync issue on the mpeg plugin only effects files larger than the acessable buffer
02:01:06Llorean_Amblin: I've watched several 500mb files without problem.
02:01:29LloreanOr what accessible buffer are you referring to?
02:01:41SoapI have had no sync issues on a 90 min movie (Nano, so it was less than 500MB, though ;) )
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02:02:09_AmblinThe buffer mpeg plugin could use before it was updated to allow rebuffering
02:02:53_AmblinAnyway, its wierd, only files that are larger than about 20 megs play out of sync on my e200
02:03:16Llorean_Amblin: What frame rate was it encoded at?
02:03:21Soapand not on your PC _Amblin?
02:03:46_AmblinLlorean: I encoded at 23.976
02:04:01_Amblinsoap: Files encoded on my PC work find
02:04:14_AmblinPlay fine*
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02:04:33Soapthe same exact file which goes out of sync on your Sansa, when played on your PC stays in sync? (not the original, the converted one)
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02:05:27Llorean_Amblin: The Sansa can't do fullscreen video at 23.976
02:05:44Llorean_Amblin: The player isn't fast enough yet, so sync problems could relate to excessive frame dropping
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02:06:20Llorean_Amblin: Have you tried encoding at the suggested 15fps, or better yet 12 to have some elbow room?
02:06:56_AmblinLlorean: Ive tried 15 with mixed sucess depending upon clip, Ill try 12
02:08:14webguest46finally worked
02:08:19webguest46i was called guest a while ago
02:08:23_AmblinAnyone else find that WinFF wont allow setting FPS below 20 when encoding Mpeg2?
02:08:26Llorean_Amblin: I have a Sansa. I'm about to leave to see 300, and when I'm done with that I'll try some video on my Sansa and report in-thread.
02:08:42Llorean_Amblin: Lemme check something
02:08:50Llorean_Amblin: It may be that the presets file on the wiki doesn't have the fix for that in it
02:08:56_AmblinLlorean: Enjoy the movie, saw it a few days ago, it was awesome
02:09:09Llorean_Amblin: I've already seen it once, a couple days after it came out. This time, though, I'm going with someone. :)
02:09:21Llorean_Amblin: Try downloading the presets file from the wiki again.
02:10:12LloreanMPEG-2 only officially suppports 23.976, 24, 25, and 29.97 (I think, I'm not sure the exact list), but there are other unofficial ones (10, 12, 15) and those require a paramter, -strict -1, that I only included for the coldfire targets initially
02:10:30LloreanWith the updated presets.xml, they're all strict -1, so you should be able to set your framerate to 10, 12, or 15
02:11:52_AmblinLlorean: Thanks for the assistance, Ill report back if this is sucessfull
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02:12:31webguest46can anyone tell me how i install roms on my gigbaeat
02:12:42Soapas in Gameboy ROMs?
02:12:56Soapdo we have a SNES emmulator?
02:12:56markunwebguest46: it's not possible
02:13:00LloreanSoap: Nope
02:13:04webguest46oh :(
02:13:08webguest46thats too bad
02:13:17Lloreanwebguest46: Most of our players are far, far, far too slow
02:14:16webguest46and ganeboy works better right?
02:14:45markunwebguest46: they work
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02:15:11webguest46so gameboy works.....snes doesnt
02:16:01markunwebguest46: what gave you the impression that snes might be working in the first place?
02:16:14webguest46well gameboys came after snes
02:16:29tsuyoshiuh nope
02:16:50tsuyoshigameboys came before snes
02:17:43tsuyoshigameboy was released in 89, snes in 90
02:17:47LloreanGameboys came before the SNES, and even if they came after, they're a portable system which means very different restraints on capability.
02:17:57Soapregardless of the timeframe, it's a matter of the power of the CPU (and auxiliary chips) you are trying to emmulate, not the order of release.
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02:47:42Sky9how would one go about replacing the bootloader on a sansa e200R?
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03:19:10aduarteis there any how to to display cover art while playing songs?
03:19:52safetydanaduarte, there is a patch floating around with support for album art display. It's included in some custom builds of Rockbox but not in the official one.
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03:30:21n17ikh|LappyI never did get patching to work :/
03:30:44n17ikh|Lappywell, it sort-of worked.
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03:31:59webguest85how do i get gameboy roms runniong on my gigabeat f40
03:32:19n17ikh|Lappyjust throw them up named as .gb or .gbc
03:32:25n17ikh|LappyI think gbc?
03:32:30n17ikh|Lappyand then open them in the file browser
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03:33:38webguest85do i rename my roms?
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03:35:13webguest85ah thx :P
03:36:19webguest85there no download link on that page though
03:36:23webguest85so i can download the plugin
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03:37:01safetydanwebguest85, you don't need to download it
03:37:06safetydanit's included in Rockbox
03:37:13safetydanjust open your .gb file in the file browser
03:37:14webguest85well my roms aint workin in it
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03:37:44safetydanwebguest85, any error messages?
03:37:45webguest85oh well
03:37:48webguest85umm ya
03:37:53webguest85one sec ill tell ya waht it is
03:38:09webguest85plugin returned error
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03:38:13JdGordondid anyone have any problems with 6922? or was it talked about last night?
03:38:51safetydanwebguest85, do those roms work in other gameboy emulators? It may be they're corrupt in some way.
03:39:05webguest85havent used them
03:39:10webguest85downlaoded them for this only
03:39:37safetydanJdGordon, haven't seen it mentioned
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03:40:47endresultanyone here
03:41:31safetydanyes there's heaps of people here
03:41:39endresultwell i just have one quick question for anyone who can answer it
03:41:58endresultyeah but most of them arent physically at the computer and talking in the chatroom
03:42:15endresultbut my question is, how stable is rockbox supposed to be on the sansa
03:42:21endresulti realize its not finished
03:42:31endresultbut its frozen up on my a couple of times
03:42:38endresulti was wondering if that's normal or not
03:42:42n17ikh|Lappyis there a way to boot into two different rockbox builds?
03:42:52n17ikh|Lappye.g. on the iriver h10 20gb
03:43:01safetydanendresult, Sansa build is still pretty new so some lockups and so forth are expected
03:43:21endresultyeah i figured
03:43:26endresultjust wanted to mkae sure, thanks
03:43:44JdGordondefinatly nothing in the log about it...
03:43:57webguest85is linux on a gigabeat possible??
03:44:12safetydann17ikh|Lappy: sort of, try looking in to rolo. You can select a rockbox image from the file browser and Rockbox will restart running that one instead.
03:44:18n17ikh|Lappyah, right
03:44:20n17ikh|Lappyforgot about rolo
03:44:47endresultwhy would you want to boot different versions
03:45:00aduartegameboy rooms?
03:45:09n17ikh|Lappyone build being the latest from SVN, one a custom build with a bunch of crap in it
03:45:13aduartethey work on any device?
03:45:29endresultyou mean roms?
03:45:31aduartei own an iaudio X5
03:45:43aduartelol :D
03:45:44n17ikh|LappyI'm sceptical about the custom build's performance with all the turd plugins loaded
03:45:50webguest85if i get a gameboy rom with .7z format
03:45:53webguest85what do i do with it
03:45:58n17ikh|Lappyyou unzip it
03:46:14endresultor izarc
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03:46:22webguest85winrar anygood?
03:46:32n17ikh|Lappydunno if winrar does 7z, it should though
03:46:37n17ikh|Lappyopen format and all that
03:46:43endresultyes, winrar does 7z
03:46:56endresultcosts money, though
03:48:26aduarten17ikh|Lappy: there is aprogram "7zip"
03:48:30aduartei'ts free
03:48:43n17ikh|LappyI know there is
03:48:45webguest85i cant get full screen though
03:48:48endresultizarc is free as well
03:48:49webguest85how do i go full screen?
03:48:52n17ikh|Lappywhich is why I said 7z can be unzipped with 7zip
03:50:21webguest85how do i make it full screen
03:50:44Soapnot a 7zip support channel
03:51:42webguest85my rom
03:51:46webguest85in rockbox
03:52:29SoapI have to admit I don't know. Never used Rockboy.
03:53:14webguest85got it :P
03:53:39Soapthe manual is quite good you know.
03:53:48webguest85nvre read that
03:53:57endresultis that a gameboy emulator
03:54:05Soapdon't expect much support (any) for questions covered in the manual.
03:54:10Soapendresult: yes
03:54:28endresultwhere can i get it
03:54:38Soapit comes with rockbox.
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03:54:57endresulti never noticed it
03:55:11Soapit is a viewer - not listed in the plugins list.
03:55:28Soapjust like mpegplayer. You launch it by attempting to play a supported file.
03:55:37endresultlike a gbd file
03:55:58Soapagain - manual, but yes. Gameboy and Gameboy Color.
03:56:09perldiveris there a difference in quality/speed between vlc and winff encoding? has anybody tried both and compared?
03:58:54n17ikh|Lappywhat do I need to name my album art to make it work in WPSs with album art support?
03:59:01n17ikh|Lappyassuming I have an album art build.
03:59:23n17ikh|Lappyor will any bitmap work
03:59:28n17ikh|Lappyof the correct size, obviously
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04:03:34n17ikh|Lappyis it necessary to matte out images that are too small (like 100x87 instead of 100x100) to the correct size?
04:04:55SoapI don't _think_ so, I'm trying to remember if I did or not.
04:05:45n17ikh|Lappywell, it's mangling some of these I'm testing with pretty badly, so I'd assume so
04:06:00n17ikh|Lappyand of course different WPSs use different-sized images :/
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04:11:52voltagexwhere do I find rbutil?
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04:20:24jhMikeSdangit...I put Tim Ross instead of Tom Ross. I hate not being able to edit commit messages cause I'm so inaccurate a typist and I just never see it 'till it's up there for everyone to see. Sorry Tim, errhm Tom.
04:22:07*jhMikeS wishes Bagder would install the little svn_propedit hook for us to do that
04:25:49midgeyjhMikeS: its not like I did much of anything :)
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04:27:17n17ikh|Lappyis there a good reason for a lot of the WPSs uploaded to the rockbox wiki to have a thumbs.db in there?
04:27:29n17ikh|Lappyor is that just something dumb on the part of the uploader and their windows install
04:27:55voltagexn17ikh|Lappy: windows' fault
04:28:07JdGordonhey aliask|uni, where you hiding?
04:28:36aliask|uniScience computer labs
04:29:14aliask|uniFinally got around to fixing up that voicing patch to include the equalizer settings, but I can't test it cos I can't connect to my ssh at home...
04:30:59JdGordonyes you can....
04:31:14JdGordonconnect to, then you can ssh home
04:31:21JdGordonuser/pass is authcate account
04:31:30aliask|uniAwesome :D
04:32:06aliask|uniDo you have to set it up? It's not letting me in.
04:32:31JdGordonnot authcate... your unix account.. same username possibly different pass
04:32:53aliask|uniDon't have one...
04:32:58JdGordonthere is a link somewhere to set that password on the monash site... dunno where tho :p
04:33:04voltagex:( wish I had some kind of way to ssh home from school
04:33:49aliask|uniPutty is installed already on all these computers :)
04:33:54JdGordonyou can setup a http ssh gatewat on your home comp
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04:35:24aliask|uniI think there's a Java SSH client thing
04:35:45voltagexno, ssh is blocked
04:36:14n17ikh|Lappythis really nice-looking WPS doesn't work :/
04:36:20voltagexwe only have http/s and FTP through a proxy needing Basic authentication
04:36:34voltagexn17ikh|Lappy: might be the same one I tried, which one?
04:37:28JdGordon^ volategex
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04:37:56n17ikh|LappySatin, for the X5/H10 20gb
04:38:07n17ikh|Lappyoh wait, here we go
04:38:16n17ikh|Lappythe one it's based off of looks better anyway >_>
04:38:43aliask|uniJdGordon: Yeah, I have to be doing something with computers to get a unix/ssh account - so I can't set the password for me to log in.
04:39:11jhMikeSmidgey: that's ok, the build problem prompted me to get down and take care of it. the least thing I can do is get a name right or be able to fix it if not. :P
04:39:33JdGordonaliask|uni: your not doing any cs subjects?
04:39:45JdGordonyou can also register fr a yoyo account at the its office...
04:40:07aliask|uniJdGordon: Not that the moment, I'm actually thinking about changing course to something with less maths and more computers :)
04:40:10aliask|uniWhat's yoyo?
04:40:24JdGordona community server or something...
04:40:32JdGordonyou can run anything you want on it aparently...
04:41:35Aloneais there a plan for a possible bookmark feature for the mpegplayer like on the text viewer?
04:41:54JdGordonbut not untill actuall playback is working better
04:42:21AloneaJdGordon: alright. Was just wondering/suggesting
04:42:43jhMikeSI'll argue coding philosophy or style issues to no end concerning things like using nested functions but if something's a bug that's it.
04:42:57aliask|uniJdGordon: Yoyo sounds pretty cool. I'll probably apply tomorrow
04:44:09JdGordonbugger.... <10min battery left on the lappy...
04:44:15JdGordongood thing i got a lecture in 10min :p
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04:44:48aliask|uniWhere are you hiding anyway?
04:45:28n17ikh|Lappythis wps won't show me cover art >_<
04:45:47n17ikh|Lappyit looks really nice too...
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04:47:04the_big_manis there any way to disable charging through USB on the Gigabeat?
04:48:08n17ikh|Lappyrockbox has the option to shut that off in my iriver, I'd assume it's in the gigabeat version too... unless it's impossible due to hardware
04:48:26the_big_manI'll have a look, thanks
04:48:42n17ikh|Lappysettings > general settings > system > battery > charge during usb connection
04:48:46n17ikh|Lappybut I think it was off by default
04:48:53n17ikh|Lappyso maybe it's different in the gigabeat
04:49:34the_big_manno it's set to off by default on the gigabeat too
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04:51:09n17ikh|Lappyah, then it shouldn't charge when plugged into USB :/
04:51:13breihanji have a better picture of the zif connector on the hitachi c4k60 inside my zen vision m now
04:51:32n17ikh|Lappywell, with the rockbox on the iriver it doesn't matter as there's no usb support for the iriver anyway
04:51:45n17ikh|Lappyhave to boot it into emergency connect mode to put files on
04:52:03Aloneawhat is wrong with it charging with usb, like, for what reason would you turn it off?
04:52:17n17ikh|Lappydon't want it to suck down power
04:52:23n17ikh|Lappylike, on a laptop with limited battery life
04:52:31the_big_manit keeps overloading my USB ports and driving them into thermal shutdown
04:52:36n17ikh|Lappythat too
04:52:51n17ikh|Lappybus-powered hub?
04:53:00breihanjthere are a couple others in that dir, i'm going to try and get the front of the connector with the cable
04:53:09the_big_manjust the ones built into my laptop
04:53:19n17ikh|Lappythose should be self-powered :/
04:53:27Alonean17ikh|Lappy: ah, ok. Well, my laptop is always plugged in pretty much and i have never had a problem with it charging through usb. I was just wondering if there was a reason I shouldn't
04:53:52AloneaMy laptop has 4 usb ports built in...more than I need.
04:53:54Soapmy laptop has 6 usb ports. two on the side are "real" ports, four on the back are "hub" ports. I can shut off power to them in the BIOS.
04:54:07the_big_manmine has 3 and the cable I have uses 2
04:54:22the_big_manto draw extra power for external HDD's
04:54:34n17ikh|Lappythat breaks the USB spec, most of the time :/
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04:54:54SoapI wouldn't be suprised if that breaks it all the time.
04:54:59n17ikh|Lappythe USB spec requires USB devices to remain in low-power mode until they declare that they're high-powered devices
04:55:04the_big_manit has only started recently
04:55:20n17ikh|Lappyand "dumb" devices such as fans, lights, etc don't even bother to talk to the usb bus, let alone declare their intention to draw power
04:55:23SoapCan you just clip or tape over one pin to make yourself an "unpowered" USB cable for your gigabeat? Seems the easiest solution.
04:55:29the_big_manaccording to Windows my Gigabeat is drawing a constant 500mA
04:55:45n17ikh|Lappythat will cause USB to not work, if you clip Vcc
04:55:54n17ikh|Lappyit's required for various pullup and pulldown resistors, among other things
04:56:12Soapahh, not like 1394 where you can run powered or not.
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04:56:18the_big_manthe second USB connection on this cable only draws power, no data pins
04:56:34n17ikh|Lappyyeah, the second port would only be in low-power mode
04:56:37the_big_manit's meant for my external 1A HDD
04:56:46n17ikh|Lappymost of the time this doesn't cause a problem
04:56:48n17ikh|Lappysometimes it does.
04:56:49the_big_manand for USB 1.0
04:57:10n17ikh|Lappywhat kind of cable does the gigabeat come with?
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04:57:22the_big_manjust a mini B to A
04:57:33n17ikh|Lappyah, then it should do fine on a single usb port... maybe it's the laptop
04:57:40the_big_manbut the original firmware didn't charge unless it was in the dock
04:57:40n17ikh|Lappymy suggestion would be to find a cheap, self-powered USB hub
04:57:58n17ikh|Lappyand plug it between the laptop and gigabeat
04:58:02n17ikh|Lappynot exactly elegant
04:58:08n17ikh|Lappybut would probably solve the problme
04:58:09the_big_manI could take the PSU for the Gigabeat instead of a hub
04:58:31the_big_manit's just something else that I have to put in my backpack
04:59:02n17ikh|Lappyso rockbox has USB support on the gigabeat then, I take it?
04:59:21n17ikh|Lappyyeah, that menu option should work :/
04:59:23breihanj i think i see the actuator on the left side
04:59:31SoapI'm pretty sure it's relying on the OF for USB.
04:59:36breihanjright side in that photo rather
05:00:03n17ikh|LappyI know with the iriver it relies on the actual flashed firmware for USB support
05:00:16n17ikh|Lappye.g. the original bootloader
05:02:06the_big_man... that menu option didn't appear to do anything... it's still charging
05:02:13the_big_manbut not overloading yet
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05:05:49n17ikh|Lappywhat the heck is a scrap file
05:07:22breihanj does that diagonal piece in between the black square at the bottom towards my thumb and the zif connector look like it could be the actuator to unlock the connector? i'm afraid to jam it with a screwdriver because it might be something important like a cap that i could knock off the board...
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05:10:36cran1I am trying to install Rockbox on my Sansa E250
05:10:55cran1Was curious if anyone on here has done so before???
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05:13:06safetydancran1, many people have successfully installed Rockbox on the sansa
05:14:33cran1I am new to this (Linux and Rockbox and IRC). I have read the install instructions and the forum postings. My question is very basic. I am, as I type, trying to extract the file to my sandisk...
05:14:45cran1is it supposed to take a long time???
05:15:03safetydanWhich file?
05:15:10breihanjtoffe82: you there?
05:15:26cran1The rockbox current build
05:15:36cran1which I downloaded from the site
05:15:57safetydancran1, I'm not familiar with the installation process for Sansa, but as far as I know, it shouldn't do anything unusual.
05:16:36cran1The sandisk tells me it is "writing" but it's been doing so for about fifteen minutes.
05:16:55safetydanYou might have more luck posting to the Sansa forum as this is a pretty quiet time on the IRC channel.
05:17:17cran1I didn't know there was one.
05:17:45cran1oh, the forum, not another channel, gotcha
05:17:51cran1thanks again
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05:21:21the_big_mandoes anyone here know how to transcode .mkv with .sfv subtitles to .mpg with VLC?
05:27:42Overandi'm not sure VLC will output a standard mpeg1 video
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05:27:45Overandlet me take a peek and see
05:29:23Overandi think both of the container formats it seems to support are for mpeg-2 streams
05:29:38Overandactually, mpeg-PS miiight do it
05:31:30Overandthe_big_man: yeah, they've got the command line you'll want right there
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06:03:59smablyi'd be interested to hear what other gigabeat owners think of FS #6930
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06:04:44Aloneasmably: FS #6930?
06:05:20smablyaye (
06:07:33Aloneasmably: bit confused by it actually. Why would you be doing anything when the usb cable is plugged in? I plug in my usb to transfer files and maybe charge while I am encoding files to then transfer
06:08:34Aloneasmably: can you even do anything when the usb is plugged in?
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06:08:52smablywell, the functionality already exists (it's handy if you want to charge while listening to music); my patch just changes the key you have to hold when you plug in the cable
06:09:31smablyit's not exactly a well-advertised feature :)
06:10:04Aloneasmably: thats fine, I know some other people didnt agree with the buttons, its just the USB thing that confuses me. I never knew you could listen to music and have the usb cable in at the same time.
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06:10:56smablyAlonea: yeah - you can try it if you like (hold MENU when you plug in USB)
06:11:16smablybackground charging is handy!
06:12:22Aloneasmably: hmm, I bet if you are on your laptop and forgot your power cable for your player or lack power plug in space. i never thought about the use actually. I can see the moving of the buttons would be handy.
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06:14:07smablyAlonea: okay, classy. changing button mappings can sometimes be contentious, so i thought it would be interesting to see what people thought of this...
06:14:23Aloneahey, where did the theme menu go? I miss my background picture...
06:15:03smablybrowse themes? that should be in the root of the settings menu
06:15:24Aloneasmably: Actually some people want more button changes. They find the current button mappings illogical, though I am so used to them now I would be confused most liekly if they changed.
06:15:49Aloneasmably: i probably missed it. I didnt update my rockbox for a month and I did the other day and now its all different
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06:17:09smablyyeah - personally, i'd like the middle-plus button swapped with the power button (there's already a patch on FS for this), mostly because i'm used to the iriver buttons
06:18:06Aloneasmably: there it is! Yeah, I dont like having menus on the power button really.
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06:20:32smablyokay, off to bed
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06:51:43*JdGordon is having some very odd phatom strings bugs :'(
06:52:27JdGordonmy \0 is being removed very infrequently... but repeatably ausing sme odd strings to apear :p
06:57:00*JdGordon thinks there might be a big in buffer_alloc!
06:57:26JdGordonor strlen
07:02:11JdGordonor im a dill :p
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07:25:33JdGordonanyone got a archos player?
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07:30:54jhMikeSJdGordon: Jukebox 6000
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07:33:03OverandOk, I'm unresponsive in the UI, but backlight responds.
07:33:12Overandcan't get to menus etc.
07:33:38OverandI was in 'shuffle' with a large (~1500 files) playlist, then it started skipping files
07:33:47Overanddisplaying the filename, then the next filename, then the next
07:34:01Overandscreen i displaying a complete filename (a .mp3) and 'disk active'
07:34:06JdGordonjhMikeS: charcell?
07:34:14Overandbut the drive is clearly spun down
07:34:24jhMikeSJdGordon: it appears to be :)
07:34:42JdGordonwhat icon does it use for files associated with plugins?
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07:34:49JdGordone.g txt and jpg?
07:35:10jhMikeSI'll check needs updating...gimme a minute
07:35:19Overandholding play didn't fire it down, but the reset shortcut did. (ipod, 5g, 60 gig)
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07:36:16Overandblar, i don't know if i should copy and paste that in a 'bug report' or not'
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07:42:32jhMikeSI'd better fix that red though
07:42:49JdGordonmeh, they are all asleep... your safe for the moment :p
07:44:20jhMikeSpretty decent score though :p know...I haven't even hooked it to a USB yet and XP wants drivers
07:45:17JdGordonyeah not a ad score at all!
07:45:47Llorean23,000, not bad.
07:46:14JdGordonLlorean: do you know what icon the okayer shows for txt and jpegs?
07:46:17JdGordonnone right?
07:47:56jhMikeSwell, I suppose I need a good excuse now to hook this up so I'll just go ahead and get it running :)
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07:49:33JdGordonhmm... no, it shows a backwards ? aparently....
07:49:58LloreanJdGordon: I've never used a player, I've just run the sim briefly to see what tetris and cube looked like
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07:50:30midgeyjhMikeS: i believe that score puts you in 5th
07:50:43JdGordonhaha ony 5th :D
07:50:46JdGordonyou suck!
07:50:55JdGordonmorning LinusN
07:51:12*midgey votes for a highscore list
07:51:37scorchemidgey: feel free to make a wiki page
07:51:50jhMikeSwoohoo...highest one I've gotten and all cause I hit a key by accident and then committed :P
07:52:04midgeyi wish i had been keeping track of all of them
07:52:30LinusNJdGordon: morning
07:52:41scorcheyou just need to put "kkwhateverthelastpartis = HUGE" on the top =)
07:52:53jhMikeSit's higher than the recording commit which didn't even break 10k and involved forgetting to include about a half dozen files
07:53:19JdGordonLinusN: have you seen 6922? cuts about 2k of the bin size.. but uses about 1k more ram than svn... is that ok?
07:53:42LinusN2k bin size sounds nice
07:53:59JdGordonso ram usage isnt such a big deal?
07:54:16JdGordonon hwcodec this will be about 500bytes extra...
07:55:59LinusNram usage is not as bad as rom usage on the archos
07:56:07LinusNwhat?? no macros??? :-P
07:56:55JdGordonhaw haw haw... markun beat you to that :D
07:57:41jhMikeSIs there some extra crud I need to connect an Archos to XP? I never had a disk or manual for it if it requires that.
07:58:12JdGordonjhMikeS: dw bout it.. got the sim going with svn to check :)
07:58:21scorchejhMikeS: which archos?
07:58:25jhMikeSI still want this thing to connect! :)
07:58:31jhMikeSscorche: Jukebox 6000
07:58:38scorchethen need a driver
07:59:02jhMikeSOn the archos site?
07:59:05LinusNjhMikeS: you need a driver for it
07:59:39scorchei cant guarantee that it is in there, but that was the drive package they list on their site
07:59:57LinusNjhMikeS: or these:
08:00:36jhMikeSto both :)
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08:01:01JdGordonLinusN: so no problems with that patch then?
08:01:20LinusNi don't see any obvious issues
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08:03:13JdGordonOh, one of the changes was that the open with menu now shows the title... so does it still need to say "no viewers" if there are none?
08:03:30JdGordonI tihnk its only needed on the player which doesnt show the title
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08:07:52LinusNJdGordon: perhaps
08:09:30JdGordonhow do you get to the file context menu in the plyeR?
08:10:16JdGordonah, long play :p
08:10:21JdGordonmorning amiconn
08:10:40JdGordonthe player lcd in the sim is rediculously slow now... is it the same on target?
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08:12:32amiconnNo, on target it's fast
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08:13:05amiconnThe sim is ridiculously slow because it redraws like mad
08:13:23JdGordonwell as long as its only the sim its all good :)
08:13:37amiconnBtw, it seems that the menu code somehow causes the lsit code to redraw multiple times (looks like 3 times)
08:13:53amiconnThe browser doesnt do this
08:14:04LinusNJdGordon: there is no lcd_update() function on the player, so the sim must redraw on every single change
08:14:29amiconnLinusN: There is such a function on the player, but *currently* for the sim only
08:14:38amiconnThis will change soon :)
08:14:39LinusNyes, but it isn
08:14:50LinusN't called all the time
08:15:03LinusNbecause the target doesn't need it
08:15:26LinusNso there are "missing" lcd_update calls all over the place
08:15:29amiconnThe target sort-of needs the update as well, but currently does it in a different manner
08:15:50LinusNamiconn: ah, for the glyph translation? transferring each single change immediately
08:16:00amiconnNot only
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08:17:02JdGordonprepare yee for a green delta row :)
08:17:18jhMikeSJdGordon: I'm seeing a plug
08:17:27aliaskBuilding the voice file for a H300 using festival is throwing me errors... stuff in system-target.h
08:17:40amiconnOf course putting a character on the display needs writing to the lcd controller. Just the amount of bytes is different depending on whether it's a hardware char (then it's 2 bytes - command+data), or a software char (then it's 2+8 bytes)
08:17:44aliaskDoes building the voice file from the configure script work?
08:18:06amiconnBut I will change this to make the player use lcd_update() like any other (read: bitmap) target
08:18:14JdGordonjhMikeS: the plugin icon? ah bugger.. ok ill fix that then
08:18:26amiconnThis will still be quite fast; the "frame rate" should be 600+ fps
08:18:30XavierGramiconn: I tested greek.lang on player yesterday, nice work, couldn't see any problems except the rare ocassion of unstressed capitals as we discussed yesterday
08:18:33jhMikeSJdGordon: what should it show? a plugin shouldn't have a plugin icon?
08:18:53JdGordonnot the plugins.. the files tat would load a plugin.. some_file.txt ?
08:19:04amiconnXavierGr: Yes, I decided to leave out the tonos for all capital letters, and just map them to the unstressed forms.
08:19:52amiconnIt would look rather squeezed with tonos, and we don't have that many software definable chars at hand to waste them...
08:20:42amiconnJdGordon: On player, all "dynamically supported" (defined in viewers.config) formats just get the same icon - the mirrored question mark
08:20:48XavierGramiconn: I see no problem with that, rare case and I am sure we can live without seeing the tonos :P
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08:21:10amiconnThis is because the player cannot use the icon definition in viewers.config
08:22:00jhMikeSJdGordon: I see no icon
08:22:06amiconnHowever, there is a "text" icon defined in the internal icon set. This was used before viewers.config
08:22:32JdGordonok, thats what its doing now..
08:22:40amiconnWay back in time, rockbox was monolithic and the text viewer was built in...
08:22:58JdGordonand we still had rombox back then :D
08:23:08amiconnNo, rombox wasn't invented by then
08:23:40LinusNthose were the days... :-)
08:23:44LinusNin our youth
08:24:32amiconnBut the recorder binary was well below 200KB, not needing self-extraction added...
08:24:37*jhMikeS 's youth was spent mostly lighting things on fire and street racing :P
08:25:01JdGordonthere is no reason why we cant use the inbuilt icons for the charcell, just need to map them in some semi-logical way to the viewers.config file...
08:25:04amiconnToday we're at 236KB uncompressed...
08:25:40amiconnJdGordon: If the icons only use 5x7 out of the 6x8 icon pixels, we could make the player use the icons from viewers.config...
08:27:17amiconnIt just needs some bit shuffling magic (not much), and probably extending the number of software definable chars (in the driver), in order to save us from redefining all the time. Currently it allows for 16 of them, but that can fairly easily be extended to allow 32 or such
08:27:38amiconnThe mapping to the available hardware chars is automatic (in the driver)
08:31:13*JdGordon thinking about being able to use the icons from viewers.config in the new open with menu
08:32:40jhMikeSis there going to be headered bitmaps and a raw version that takes a header as a param so as not to bloat icons or other large numbers of same-sized and type images?
08:33:02amiconnThere will be, yes
08:33:24jhMikeSthat ought to cut a few bytes out
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08:44:35amiconnThat's a lot of gain...
08:45:15*MikeSeth stretches
08:45:17*amiconn wonders when Slasheri is going to fix the nasty yellow :/
08:45:34MikeSethanyone from e200 port team here by a chance?
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08:45:44MikeSethuhm.. port. Not port!
08:46:29LloreanMikeSeth: There's not really an "e200 team"
08:46:48LloreanThere's "the Rockbox team" which includes a few people who've done e200-specific stuff, but 95% of things affect all the players.
08:47:01MikeSethLlorean: oh. We didn't talk yesterday did we?
08:47:45MikeSethEither way, I installed Rockbox on my e280 yesterday. It wooooorks!
08:48:48Slasheriamiconn: i need some help from someone with 4g or h10 to find the problem
08:50:00MikeSethI have a friend with h10.. and h10 likes to lock up :(
08:51:13amiconnSlasheri: Maybe linuxstb can help, as he has a color
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08:53:02aliaskCan someone help me with building voice from linux?
08:53:03amiconnHrrm, JdGordon is gone...
08:53:41Bagderaliask: select voice in configure, then make voice
08:53:44amiconnJdGordon: (for the log) The icons on player are broken... Firmware, .cfg, audio files... all get the folder icon!
08:53:56amiconnOnly dynamic file types get their mirrored question mark
08:53:58Slasheriamiconn: indeed, he already has.
08:54:17aliaskBagder: It's saying that festival isn't started, but looking at the sh script it should start it itself.
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08:55:23Mode"#rockbox +o LinusN " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
08:55:32GodEater_aliask: tried espeak instead ?
08:55:53Topic"Rockbox Devcon 2007 -" by LinusN (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN)
08:56:09Mode"#rockbox -o LinusN " by LinusN (i=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN)
08:56:10aliaskGodEater_: A lot of missing dependencies that aren't in the apt repository
08:56:54aliaskFestival looks like the way to go, but it won't start for whatever reason.
08:57:10Bagderit has worked for me in the past
08:58:33aliaskI'll see if I can get it started manually, but it doesn't look like the script is perfect.
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09:01:58GodEater_I can't get festival to work at all for me - the script requires something called festival-client
09:02:05GodEater_which isn't something that's part of the package I installed
09:02:07aliaskAh, never mind. It's a festival problem. I'll sort it out when I get back from work
09:02:09GodEater_so I had to use espeak.
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09:04:36aliasknls had the same problem about a week ago, apparantly flite works fine
09:06:20std|denisare there bootloader hackers?
09:06:35std|denisbootloader for iriver ihp-1xx
09:07:03Bagderask the question instead
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09:08:05std|deniswhy bootloader could show me "shutting down" as the very first line on the screen?
09:08:43std|denisas i can see from the code it should show "Rockbox boot loader" right after lcd_init()
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09:09:09std|denisbut looks like it not reach that printf..
09:09:26Lloreanstd|denis: Is this with the official bootloader, or the one you modified that you were talking about earlier?
09:10:24std|denisLlorean: yes, i'm talking about the bootloader from current SVN. sorry that didn't said about that
09:11:01pondlifeWooh, DevCon!
09:11:32std|denisi've added only single line of code. but it is not reached
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09:13:07pondlifestd|denis: You probably need to do an lcd_update to see your printf...
09:13:47pondlife...if one isn't already happening.
09:15:20std|denispondlife: the matter is not about my printf ;) all my changes are a single "shutdown();" at the end of "USB mode" condition to prevent firmware startup at USB disconnection
09:16:41std|denisi just can't understand the behaviour of bootloader :( i'm looking into the code and can't imaging why that happing
09:18:07std|denisi try to turn it on twice. and the 1st attempt always give me "shutting down..." (disk is spinning up and then turning down) and on the 2nd attempt all is fine
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09:23:29std|denisBagder, all: where is the right place on the forum to put my questions about current SVN code?
09:23:43Bagderto the rockbox-dev mailing list
09:24:01Bagderif you want to be sure to reach as many devs as possible
09:26:45std|denisBagder: i just want to ask these my stupid questions in more "private" area when they won't be mixed with other questions in a single stream ;)
09:27:13Bagderyes, and I told you how to reach the devs most reliably
09:27:19Bagderyou decide how to proceed
09:27:35Bagderand they aren't "mixed"
09:27:43Bagdermail readers are threaded these days
09:29:22std|denisBagder: yep. thanx. i'll follow your hint
09:31:47BagderI wonder if we could get a coverity scan of rockbox code
09:32:09scorcheBagder: when you change the topic, can you try and keep the guidelines link it it?...feel free to disagree if you are against it
09:32:20scorches/it it/in it
09:32:30*Bagder points to LinusN
09:32:35*LinusN looks away
09:32:51*Bagder throws big fish in LinusN's direction
09:32:54scorcheah sorry...still getting used to hydra, so i didnt know who did it =)
09:32:56*LinusN ducks
09:34:05LinusNwhat's the url to the guidelines?
09:34:16scorchedont worry...i will change it in a sec
09:35:09Bagdercurl is now in the coverity program so I hope to evaluate what goodness it can give
09:35:29Mode"#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
09:36:38Topic"Please read before speaking: | Rockbox Devcon 2007 -" by scorche (n=_@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
09:36:48*petur checks coverity and gets confirmed that firefox _is_ rather buggy
09:37:13Bagderwell, 1.8 million source lines
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09:38:21scorchedoes anyone know of anything else that needs to be changed on the VMware image, while i am making a new version?
09:40:02jhMikeSscorche: new make? smaller default memory? ummm...svn with auto props?
09:40:27jhMikeSlarger image size ... 2GB kinda stinks
09:41:52jhMikeSI'm just spouting what comes to mind...don't really know what was covered already
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09:43:08scorchewell, i tend to only change things when they are needed, as stability is make isnt needed atm, default mem - i would rather others change it themselves, and information of this ids handy (i should add it to the wiki page if it isnt there already), svn - maybe, larger image size, no way unless dire...the less people have to download, the better
09:43:36scorcheeek...punctuation mess
09:44:12GodEater_in theory making the image size larger shouldn't make much difference to the compressed image - it'll mostly be sparse
09:44:34GodEater_but if someone wants more space than 2GB for a dev environment, they should seriously think about installing linux natively IMHO
09:44:39scorchealso, people aready think taking up 2 gigs of their space is too much
09:46:21jhMikeSI had to update to 3.81 mine cause amiconn changed the build system
09:46:38jhMikeSargh...I run short on space too much
09:46:48scorchei updated to 3.81 last update
09:47:12scorcheactually, 2 updates ago
09:47:28jhMikeScan I have a custom one with 4GB? :) :D
09:47:40scorcheyou cant do that yourself? =P
09:47:41GodEater_jhMikeS: can't you just make your own ?
09:47:55jhMikeSdon't you need to buy stuff for that?
09:48:04GodEater_VMWare Server is free
09:48:16jhMikeSoh...then I guess I can
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09:48:33scorcherequires a registration, but there is no check to make sure it is true
09:48:51GodEater_you do need a real email address though don't you? to get the registration key ?
09:48:59GodEater_although trashmail works for that I get
09:49:14jhMikeSI can create an email just to do it and then remove it
09:49:15GodEater_it's been ages since I downloaded
09:49:18scorchei forgot...also, that is why i registered ;)
09:49:29GodEater_I use for those sort of things
09:49:45jhMikeSmy ISP allows address creation just for that purpose :)
09:50:13scorchewell, back on topic...nothing else?
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09:50:24GodEater_scorche: what are you actually updating ?
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09:51:03GodEater_or is there a list somewhere ?
09:51:06scorcheDanA's commit of "
09:51:06scorcheMake build ARM libgcc with support for thumb code interworking
09:51:34scorchebut, i am adding that patch to the arm-elf-gcc
09:52:02GodEater_is anyone going to accept my patch to configure to allow parent directories of the rockbox environment to include spaces in their names ?
09:52:11GodEater_or at least make the change on their own :)
09:52:12jhMikeSthe no longer tries to load that whole 500MB now?
09:53:26Bagderload that whole 500MB?
09:53:34Bagderload what?
09:53:48jhMikeSActually it needed 500MB or so to install the arm-elf-gcc update
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09:55:05BagderI guess it still does
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09:55:32Bagder~52MB for the target install tree, probably 50 for downloaded packages, and then some 400 for the build tree
09:55:39Bagderwouldn't surprise me at least
09:56:13jhMikeSI had to modify the script to not reqire the directory to be cleared when doing it or else both sets of files were present and using space. :P
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09:57:14jhMikeSthat was faster than moving stuff off the image
09:57:28Bagderyou could just remove the old contents first
10:00:06jhMikeSIt doesn't delete the bz2 files so those and the extracted ones were there at the same time and it couldn't finish
10:00:37Bagderwell, that certainly is a limited disk-amount system
10:01:00Bagderit leaves the files there to allow re-runs without having to re-download
10:03:23jhMikeS...but I was cutting it _real_ close in the space :)
10:04:06jhMikeSnow, as far as the memory, I haven't had a complaint just running it with 32MB
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10:10:27jhMikeSit doesn't require anything near the, iirc, 128MB it was configured for originally
10:12:29scorcheit is set to 256 notmally
10:14:33scorcheand i turned it down to that number when i did my first update
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10:39:56pondlifejhMikeS: Any news on low-latency?
10:41:08pondlifeMore score congrats, btw
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11:37:07LloreanSoap: You present?
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12:15:06eatnumber1how long does it generally take for a patch to be commited to trunk?
12:15:31eatnumber1also, is there a rss feed of svn messages that I can use to put on my rss reader?
12:15:59LloreanThere is no usual time.
12:16:31Lloreaneatnumber1: And there's an RSS feed here that isn't bad:
12:16:39LloreanIt's unofficial, though, I believe, so it may vanish.
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12:17:54eatnumber1is there any reason that rockbox does not have a setting for the ipod nano's 300mah battery?
12:18:14LloreanI thought it was 340
12:18:33LloreanYes, and other sites have said other things
12:18:54eatnumber1reguardless, the lowest you can go is 1200
12:19:04LloreanAnyway, the setting isn't important, because we cannot consistently estimate time remaining on the iPod anyway, and that's all it's for, estimating how much time you have left
12:19:28eatnumber1then why have the setting at all?
12:19:58LloreanBecause once we CAN estimate time, it'll be useful
12:19:58eatnumber1couldn't you just disable it in the ipod builds?
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12:20:08LloreanSeriously, you're using pre-release software.
12:20:12eatnumber1what is needed in order to estimate the times?
12:20:17LloreanThere are aspects of it that don't work yet.
12:20:49LloreanAnyway, there's no point in getting an estimate set up now, and then having to do it again once battery life is actually "right"
12:21:26eatnumber1oh, you mean 340 vs 300mah?
12:21:58LloreanNo, I mean "lasting longer than half the original firmware's playback time"
12:22:06LloreanYou had notice that battery life in Rockbox is very short, right?
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12:23:10eatnumber1on my ipod, it seems to last about 12-14 (very rough estimate) hrs
12:23:18eatnumber1i'm not sure what it's supposed to be
12:23:35eatnumber1but i do understand that rockbox hurts battery life badly
12:23:38LloreanOn your Nano, Rockbox lasts 14 hours?
12:23:48LloreanHave you actually done a battery benchmark of this?
12:24:00eatnumber1no, like I said, that's a very rough estimate
12:24:11LloreanMost people get 9.
12:24:15LloreanIs it 5 hours rought?
12:24:24eatnumber1how do I do a benchmark?
12:24:30LloreanUsing the battery_bench plugin.
12:24:35LloreanSee the IpodRuntime wiki page.
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12:29:35scorcheBagder: there?
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12:43:03scorchenevermind then...i will catch you later
12:43:34SoapLlorean: you rang?
12:44:27LloreanSoap: I've honestly forgotten what I was going to ask. It wasn't very important anyway. Sorry
12:44:42Soapnot a problem.
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14:00:44spotUPis there any codec coder here?
14:01:04spotUPi have some suggestions for opensource players that could be made to work with rockbox.
14:01:16spotUPthe thing i lack most is a mod plugin. and...
14:02:25peturspotUP: check
14:02:38spotUPthe dumb thing?
14:02:49spotUPcan i make it work on my ipod without compiling it?
14:03:24JdGordonbluebrother: 6924 is a manual patch... incase you havnt seen...
14:03:26spotUPcheck this out:
14:03:39JdGordonits in bugs though which is why i point it out
14:03:55spotUPor this rather:
14:04:15spotUPit's a quite portable video game player. it's supports lots of cool formats.
14:04:35BagderspotUP: so what is the suggestion?
14:05:02spotUPabout mod playback or the game music emulation lib?
14:05:28LloreanspotUP: We already support NSF, SPC and... was it ADX? All three are game formats.
14:05:33Lloreangame audio formats, rather
14:05:45LloreanPerhaps you should attempt to be very specific in your statements of suggestion.
14:05:47spotUPas for mod playback, there's an accurate, quite new player... that originates from the amiga. but it could be easilly changed, to work with rockbox me thinks. lemme dig up a link to the source.
14:06:10*GodEater_ is willing to put money on it not being that easy =/
14:06:15LloreanspotUP: You're aware that Rockbox is fixed point, and C, and has certain buffering constraints?
14:06:27pondlifeAnd no malloc :)
14:06:38GodEater_pondlife: you said the bad word
14:06:44Bagderand m68k coldfire is not asm-compatible with amiga
14:06:51pondlifeThe m- word...
14:06:58spotUPllorean, about video game formats, well check out the link it's a nice lib that plays a lot of formats. sorry, but i don't know what fixed point means. i am not a very experienced coder. :)
14:07:05JdGordondoes anyone have any ideas about 6863 (having the possibility that you can infinitly loop into a screen with GO_TO_PREVIOUS) that doesnt involve remembering the last 5 screens?
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14:07:22GodEater_I think by fixed point Llorean probably means integer
14:07:43LloreanGodEater_: It's not *quite* the same.
14:08:01spotUPhere's a small neat mod player (source included)
14:08:01GodEater_I know - but most of our codecs end up as integer no ?
14:08:09spotUPit's very accurate.
14:08:09BagderspotUP: feel free to work on that!
14:08:55spotUPBagder it's way out of my league. :) i have ported shitloads of stuff to AmigaOS 4.0, but when it comes to writing my own stuff, and not changing small parts, i am.. ehh.. kinda lost :)
14:08:57bluebrotherJdGordon: already noticed
14:09:12spotUPjust wanted to help with resources for players, as i am quite into old formats.
14:09:15bluebrotherbut thanks for pointing it out −− I still need to find a couple of minutes to test it
14:09:26BagderspotUP: well if you checked our feature-request list, we're not exactly out of ideas to implement...
14:09:26bluebrother(as I usually build all manuals before committing anything)
14:09:29LloreanGodEater_: You use only integers (no doubles or floats) but some of the data has value on the right side of the decimal point.
14:10:02bluebrotherJdGordon: btw, any solution on 6863? You don't sound that way ...
14:10:16JdGordonno, i keep hitting a brick wall..
14:10:22pondlifeJdGordon: What's actually causing "Nothing to resume" to appear? It's returning to the root menu from the WPS, right?
14:10:43bluebrotherI'm on a long travel over the weekend. I will see if I can get a look
14:11:00JdGordonthe wps screen is returning GO_TO_PREVIOUS, but for some reason the previous was set to wps.. which returns previous... so looping forever
14:11:15JdGordonthe simple fix is to check for that in each screen.... but it sucks
14:11:17bluebrotherpondlife: when the last screen was the main menu and you switched to wps using the play button
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14:11:22pondlifeHmm, so it really means GO_TO_PREVIOUS_BROWSER?
14:11:34spotUPme and a friend made a new chip music tracker for AmigaOS 4.0 btw. released in december. It's based on the old tracker AHX by Abyss. It loads/saves ahx tunes, but it also has it's own much extended format. ( ) the sources to the replayer is included in the archive, if anyone would like to make a rockbox plugin we'd VERY much appreciate it. The player is ported to WinAMP, XMPlay, Linux commandline e
14:11:38JdGordonno, go_to_previous is correct...
14:11:40bluebrotherno, as the previous screen could be like the main menu
14:11:41pondlifeNah, you may want to return to the menu..
14:11:50pondlifeSorry - thinking aloud again
14:12:01pondlifeWell, maybe not even thinking :(
14:12:03bluebrotherthinking alound might be helpful anyway
14:12:15LloreanspotUP: Feature requests belong in the feature request tracker, but it sounds like you aren't really familiar with the limitations Rockbox imposes on such things.
14:13:06spotUPno i ain't familiar with that. no.
14:13:13*bluebrother needs to route another PCB (which is a complete waste IMO) at uni :(
14:13:29spotUPwell, i just thought i'd come here and talk directly. seems like a bad idea then.
14:13:41GodEater_not a *bad* idea
14:13:44GodEater_just not easy :)
14:14:14bluebrotherspotUP: the main problems would be: no dynamic memory, no fpu, limited amount of memory
14:14:27GodEater_how old is mod as a format ?
14:14:50GodEater_so it probably doesn't need fpu
14:14:53Bagderprobably even older I'd say
14:15:03bluebrotherwhich basically requires everything to use fixed point math
14:15:06spotUPbluebrother well, a tune made in hively tracker is usually around 2-4k "big" :)
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14:15:41BagderI think the problem is that nobody wants to work on it
14:15:51*GodEater_ agrees
14:15:55Bagderthere's been talk about mod for years
14:16:09*bluebrother noticed about devcon this morning :D
14:16:14Bagderand personally I couldn't care less
14:16:22pondlifeI'd rather see MoB than mod
14:16:23Bagderdevcon devcon devcon!
14:16:31*Llorean wishes devcon were on his side of the Atlantic. :-P
14:16:51*pondlife wishes it was in 2008 :(
14:16:54nlsthere is a working mod player in the tracer...
14:17:48JdGordonBagder: the rockbox fund got enough to import some international celebraties for devcon? :)
14:17:49*petur will check his agenda tonight and start negotiations with his wife... cheap tickets are already found :)
14:18:01*bluebrother hopes to find time for devcon. If only this uni stuff was already done ...
14:18:15GodEater_JdGordon: provided you don't mind travelling freight - of course ;)
14:18:31*Llorean wonders if the "Beers" he's owed from solving various peoples' "bricks" can be redeemed for a ticket.
14:18:53BagderJdGordon: I bet we can at least offer a "helping hand"
14:18:58*petur wonders how much beer he's allowed to bring into Sweden
14:19:17BagderEU limits are pretty liberal
14:19:25Bagdersomething like 120 liters or so
14:19:26JdGordonBagder: :) too bad exams are on then :(
14:19:40JdGordonno way that much
14:19:54GodEater_provided it's for "personal consumption"
14:20:06JdGordonwell... sdl is stuffed on my new install... rockboxui just hangs?
14:20:23BagderSwedes are very good at those "alcohol trips" down to germany and back
14:20:38GodEater_don't blame 'em either
14:20:43spotUPok. so how do i make the mod plugin work on my ipod? it seems binaries are only available for iriver or am i missing something?
14:20:44GodEater_alcohol prices in sweden are shocking
14:20:57bluebrotheroooh ... belgium beer?
14:21:05spotUPGodEater Bagder you swedes? ja oxo.
14:21:10peturif I come, I bring :)
14:21:14LloreanspotUP: Binaries go out of date moderately quickly anyway. You're going to have to take a little time to learn to compile.
14:21:25GodEater_I'm no swede no, but I know Stockholm very well - worked there for 2 years
14:21:28BagderspotUP: yeps, I am and so are few other of us
14:21:44linuxstbspotUP: Setup a development environment (see the wiki), download the source code to Rockbox (see the wiki), apply the patch to the source (see the wiki), compile Rockbox (see the wiki).
14:21:59GodEater_LinusN left Nykoping off his list of far away budget airports
14:22:14GodEater_(excuse use of wrong vowel - usual excuses regarding wrong keyboard layout apply)
14:22:19Bagderyeah, ryan air goes there
14:22:30GodEater_it has no right calling itself a stockholm airport
14:22:38GodEater_it's in the middle of bloody nowhere
14:22:46Bagderhaha, it is a bit of a stretch, yes
14:22:51*petur found tickets from frankfurt for 58 euro :)
14:22:59pondlifeJdGordon: Sim works ok here..
14:23:03bluebrotherspeaking of FRA?
14:23:05linuxstbCan't be any worse that the various "London" airports spread around the country...
14:23:07JdGordonno... alice springs airport is in the middle of bloody nowhere... and they want to turn it int a regional hub
14:23:09Bagderpetur: that's not bad at all
14:23:09GodEater_I think I spent what I saved on airfare getting from there to Stockholm
14:23:24JdGordonpondlife: just installed ubuntu 7.04 beta.. no worky
14:23:26GodEater_linuxstb: very true - Luton and Stanstead are equally comedic
14:23:39pondlifeAh. Check your SDL audio output path?
14:23:45spotUPlinuxstb, yea... compiling things ain't that hard. but setting up a cross dev environment sounds like much work. but maybe it aint. and it will be worth it, so i'll look into it today.
14:23:49peturBagder: and times are nice too: arrives fridaymorning, leaves mondaymorning
14:23:50JdGordonpondlife: how?
14:23:57GodEater_spotUP: we have a script that does it all for you
14:24:05Bagderpetur: sounds perfect!
14:24:10pondlifeBut the sim itself is working nicely under Cygwin here, so it's probably not Rockbox
14:24:38*GodEater_ has a baby's head wetting to attend in Stockholm around that time too
14:24:54GodEater_anyone familiar with Akkurat, near Slusen ?
14:25:08BagderGodEater: of course, a fine beer place
14:25:14GodEater_my favourite
14:25:19GodEater_although I go for the whisky usually
14:25:30GodEater_the list is extensive :)
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14:26:51GodEater_I also have a small straw goat awaiting my arrival - it apparently needs to be set on fire
14:27:09GodEater_apparently this is a xmas tradition somewhere up north in Sweden
14:27:15GodEater_I have of course entirely missed xmas
14:27:27GodEater_and the standard goat is several stories tall if I'm to understand correctly
14:27:36Bagderyeah, its a huge one
14:27:38GodEater_this is some sort of personal stand in
14:27:46Bagderand apparently it survived last year
14:27:50GodEater_so I hear
14:27:53GodEater_shame :)
14:27:55bluebrotherpetur: you found something from FRA / Germany?
14:28:08Bagderthey have some new anti-fire chemicals on it that did wonders
14:28:13peturbluebrother: yes, with ryanair
14:28:23GodEater_Bagder: spoilsports
14:28:23bluebrotheroh, Frankfurt Hahn then?
14:29:21bluebrotherFrankfurt isn't too far from my place, but Hahn is kinda unreachable by train
14:29:39*petur should calculate car fuel in the price too and look for a closer airport
14:29:39Bagderthere are buses though
14:29:53*Bagder went to Hahn and back
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14:30:39GodEater_petur: does that also fly into Nykoping then ?
14:30:51peturno, the other smaller one
14:31:06bluebrothergermanwings would be great as they depart from Stuttgart −− to bad they don't fly to sweden :(
14:31:15Bagderryanair goes to nykoping/skavsta
14:31:43GodEater_I think if I come I'll spring for British Airways and just go to Arlanda. I'm fed up of airports in the styx.
14:32:30bluebrotherwow. By train the fastest connection from here is about 17h :o
14:32:41GodEater_you'd have to go home as soon as you arrived!
14:33:21peturbah, flight times from Brussels suck big time...
14:34:41GodEater_wow, £54 for BA from Heathrow. That's impressively cheap!
14:35:33*pondlife wishes the "Erase dynamic playlist" warning survived a power off better...
14:36:20bluebrotherhmm. 130EUR two-way to ARN ...
14:39:27*nls is just a 1hour busride away, but can't make it anyway :-/
14:39:47bluebrotherthat's too bad
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14:40:43JdGordonpondlife: how do you mean?
14:41:16daurnJdGordon: do you know how to look up who lives at a certain address?
14:41:26daurn(or what business is there)
14:42:00daurnna, you need to know the surname
14:42:36GodEater_daurn: you're stalking someone ?
14:42:55daurnneed to know name of car dealer
14:42:58daurni know the address
14:43:45JdGordontype the addy into google?
14:44:25daurn" Gran Turismo Autos"
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14:48:15daurnnice split ;)
14:51:27*JdGordon wishes his hard disk was big enough for more than 1 linux setup at a time.... this install is already fucked :p
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14:53:06aliaskJdGordon: Well if it's screwed why would you want to keep it?
14:53:24JdGordonbecause i cbf reinstalling now....
14:53:41daurnJdGordon: lappy?
14:54:06daurnuse NFS? ;)
14:54:57daurnguess thats a no to samba
14:58:15bluebrotherreplace harddisk?
14:58:38*GodEater_ wonders how it's possible to f*** it up so badly
14:59:59JdGordondisk is expensive... and removing the sdl package for some reason decided to remove kubutu-desktop... and i forgot to check that before pressing enter :'
15:00:23aliaskYou can always reinstall kubuntu-desktop
15:00:27JdGordoni cancelled it.. but now i dont know what half-installed packages are still there
15:00:42bluebrothershouldn't apt capable of reparing this?
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15:05:52*GodEater_ quietly hums gentoo's praises in the background
15:05:57*spotUP is installing cygwin
15:07:05JdGordoncomputer is too slow for a gentoo install
15:07:26JdGordonunless i could get the other compuyers in the house working as a ocmpile farm...
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15:08:59LinusNGodEater: he first has to install gentoo on the build farm computers :-P
15:09:15*GodEater_ is aware of LinusN's opinion on gentoo ;)
15:09:33JdGordondont they just need the same version of gcc?
15:09:41GodEater_and libraries
15:09:50GodEater_so LinusN is mostly correct
15:10:02GodEater_they don't need to be running gentoo per se - but it does make life easier
15:10:18GodEater_GRP is pretty quick to install though
15:10:45GodEater_it's once you start installing kde things go slow...
15:11:04GodEater_or gnome
15:11:17GodEater_although from what I recall kde is a larger build
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15:14:06JdGordonwhos bloody idea was this GO_TO_PREVIOUS nonsense???
15:15:41aliaskI just wanna give a plug for FS #6159. I fixed it all up again and I would love to see it commited. Anyone have any thoughts?
15:16:23JdGordonthe voice patch? wasnt there a problem with the voices being too large for the buffer or something?
15:16:58linuxstbUseful little file from ffmpeg containing some "soc rules" -
15:17:01LinusNyes, the voice file will be too big for the archos
15:17:24aliaskHow big is the max file size?
15:17:37LinusNroughly 1.4M methinks
15:18:41Lloreanlinuxstb: Just a bit of information, I accidentally encoded a video at 59.94 fps and mpegplayer seems to be coping admirably on the gigabeat with frameskipping.
15:18:52JdGordoncould we split the voices to get around that problem?
15:19:09JdGordonand just store which file has which voice ids?
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15:19:24linuxstbLlorean: Nice...
15:19:27LinusNthe elephantsdream on skips a lot of frames on my gigabeat
15:20:01LinusNthe playback is not smooth at all
15:20:45Lloreanlinuxstb: I stupidly forgot to set the fps when encoding from a VOB, but the resultant movie is actually still playing quite smooth, and audio is in sync nicely. And I tested that guy's file, and had no sync issues, though an older version of mpegplayer did play with a lot less frameskipping (and still in sync)
15:21:52linuxstbLinusN: Get optimising :)
15:22:17linuxstbWas that the full-screen (320x240) version?
15:22:24*Llorean hasn't watched the full-screen version.
15:22:29LloreanWhat's the bitrate on it?
15:22:37LinusNit looks like a BAG OF SHIT :-)
15:22:47*linuxstb goes to cry in the corner
15:23:08LinusN830kbit/s i believe
15:23:32LloreanAh, I've been experimenting in the 400-range, though that turned out to be a little low for my 60fps file. Oops.
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15:24:33linuxstbAccording to the PluginMpegplayer page, mpegplayer averages 28fps for the full-screen ED (or at least it used to...). The file itself is 24fps, so I would just expect some frame-skipping during periods of fast motion.
15:24:37AceNikhey guys is it possible to create simulators for plugins from cygwin
15:25:04Lloreanlinuxstb: I think the frameskip is definitely too aggressive right now.
15:25:38markunlinuxstb: do you know where the constants for the yuv2rgb conversion in the jpeg/mpeg plugins come from?
15:25:56linuxstbLlorean: So it seems, I'll investigate that..
15:26:09linuxstbmarkun: Probably the jpeg viewer, which I expect is wrong...
15:26:37markunThe more I read about YUV and YCbCr the more I get confused
15:26:55linuxstbmarkun: If you find the original libmpeg2 source code, you should be able to find the original yuv2rgb function and compare it with what Rockbox is doing.
15:27:08markunlinuxstb: ok
15:27:20linuxstbIt's possibly distributed as part of "mpeg2dec"
15:27:32linuxstb(or mpeg2dec is just the sample program that comes with libmpeg2...)
15:27:55markunlinuxstb: is this the right one?
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15:28:46linuxstbChecking the README.rocbox file in the mpegplayer directory, the file I took libmpeg2 from was mpeg2dec-0.4.0b
15:29:10linuxstbAh, a new version was released...
15:29:47linuxstbmarkun: Yes, that page looks right.
15:31:33linuxstbmarkun: Seems to be macro hell - libmpeg2/convert/rgb.c
15:31:34*Llorean realizes he's stupid and figures out how to set a "quality" rather than a bitrate for ffmpeg.
15:33:09markunlinuxstb: yes, also the other rgb*.c files don't look very helpful
15:33:23LloreanIs it logical to expect that a set bitrate will give us the emphasis on predictable performance, and qscale would give us less predictable playback framerates but in theory better visual quality?
15:34:06linuxstbLlorean: BTW, I think you need to limit the FPS for full-screen on the ipod Photo/Color - I tried something at 24fps today, and it skipped far too much. 15fps should be OK though. 24fps widescreen is just about OK (there are skipped frames, but not too many).
15:34:18linuxstbLlorean: Yes, sounds logical.
15:34:18AceNikhey guy is there a way to make a simulator make plugins work , can i test my build by compiling a simulator
15:34:47LinusNAceNik: the plugins should work in the simulator
15:34:50linuxstbAceNik: plugins work in the simulator - as long as you're compiling the plugins with the simulator, and not attempting to run plugins compiled for a target device.
15:35:01Lloreanlinuxstb: Alright, I'll do that.
15:35:21LinusNAceNik: "make", then "make install"
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15:36:01cropJdGordon: still around?
15:36:06JdGordonbluebrother: im getting closer..... i have got it not looping... but pressing menu from in the root menu doesnt work
15:36:10JdGordonyeah, sup?
15:36:50bluebrotherbtw, "menu" from the main menu seems to toggle to the settings. Is this wanted?
15:37:02bluebrotherI'd rather have it toggle the menu itself
15:37:02JdGordonno, it should go back to the last screen
15:37:03pondlifeJdGordon: You mean using menu to go back to the WPS if menu was just pressed in the WPS..?
15:37:06AceNik<LinusN>so when after i do build S, i should make , n then make install for making a simulator that would make my plugins work right
15:37:11JdGordonpondlife: yes
15:37:19bluebrotherah, ignore me.
15:37:45bluebrotherit only does that when the settings was the last screen −− but I'm a bit unsure if I think this is logical
15:38:35cropJdGordon: so the problem is that the state is tracked wrongly? Not that funcs return wrong values?
15:38:46JdGordonyes.. and well.. no...
15:38:55JdGordonthe state is tracked correclty... thats the problem
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15:39:17pondlifeJdGordon: Does the root menu know if there is nothing to resume?
15:39:23AceNik<LinusN>o if i have pathed plugins, can i just normally say build S, "make ", then after make file created say "make install"
15:39:48cropJdGordon: then we should draw the state machine.
15:39:50JdGordonpondlife: no... but thats not really the point... trying to fix the actual cause of the problem
15:39:58*JdGordon hates state machines :p
15:40:36JdGordonok.. whos game to test?
15:40:45JdGordoni _think_ its working correctly now
15:40:59*petur loves statemachines :p
15:41:29JdGordonstate machine for root_menu.c... SNAFU :D
15:41:30cropJdGordon: or maybe we should introduce a func for converting "relative" GO_TO_xxx (e.g. GO_TO_PREVIOUS) into absolute ones (e.g. GO_TO_WPS). Then tracking things will get easier.
15:41:59JdGordonna, i tinhk its good now...
15:42:07JdGordonneed testers...
15:42:13bluebrotherJdGordon: why did you make the browse() function take an argument? It's like 3 functions in one ...
15:42:36JdGordonbecause it is 3 functions in one :)
15:42:39pondlifeJdGordon: I can test, what's the FS# again?
15:42:47bluebrotherI changed that on the last weekend and it saved some bytes −− no need for carrying the argument anymore
15:42:53LinusNAceNik: yes, when you build your simulator, you first type "make" to build it, then "make install" to install it in a subdirectory calles "archos" (for historical rasons)
15:42:59LinusNreasons even
15:43:00bluebrotherme can test too">
15:44:17JdGordonnot a patch because svn isnt installed...
15:44:25cropHmm... I think having such translating function would clarify the picture. Easier to debug since everything will run throug it.
15:44:26AceNik<LinusN>ok bro , thanks cu
15:45:08JdGordonthe idea origionally was that browse() (in tree.c) would be rewritten to be more generic and so browse() (in r_m.c) would be able to do the browseing for all 3 types very simliarly...
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15:45:26pondlife3 types? File/dir/settings?
15:45:51bluebrother... and I thought it was to make the code harder to understand :P
15:45:59pondlifeThat too ;)
15:46:30pondlifeWhile I'm waiting for Cygwin to build, an OT question...
15:46:43pondlifeDoes anyone know of any open source code to read/parse .CRT files?
15:47:04LinusNwhat are those?
15:47:07bluebrothercrt? What's that?
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15:47:17pondlifeX.509 certificates.
15:47:17bluebrotherCommon Runtime? C Runtime?
15:47:25Bagderpondlife: openssl
15:47:38Bagderand crt is not the format, just the extension
15:47:41bluebrotherdamn, was too slow ;-)
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15:47:56pondlifeIndeed. There are multiple formats in there, right?
15:47:58Bagderlibasn can too I believe
15:48:03Bagderpondlife: yes
15:49:13pondlifeI'm only concerned with DER binary, not base64. I started looking through openssl yesterday, but there's a lot to wade through - I was hoping someone had written a tiny viewer that did the job.
15:49:21pondlifeThanks anyways
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15:51:44pondlifeThanks Bagder
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15:51:54bluebrotherJdGordon: btw, there is another inconsistency ... if the last screen is the settings menu, and GO_TO_PREVIOUS toggles you get stuck there
15:52:12bluebrotheri.e. left doesn't go to the main menu as it would if you entered the settings through that menu
15:52:32JdGordonthats not in svn is it?
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15:53:01bluebrotherimo we should either go back (like the browsers do) or (my preference) only allow left to go to the main menu (even from browsers) when that screen was entered through the main menu
15:53:05bluebrotherthat's current svn
15:53:18JdGordonah yes.. and its here also...
15:53:32JdGordonwerent you very against left > menu at the start?
15:53:38bluebrotheryes :)
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15:54:07bluebrotherbut the current state is inconsistent −− left from the browsers work, where it doesn't in that settings case.
15:54:26*JdGordon checks it out....
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15:54:47bluebrotherbut the best solution IMO would be to track if the tree was entered via the main menu and only allow left if the menu was used
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15:55:16pondlifeJdGordon: That "patch" looks good here, after a brief test
15:55:29pondlifebluebrother: I see what you mean, that seems like a bug
15:55:29bluebrother... which makes it possible having a much more similar behaviour as before the new main menu (by setting the startup screen to the file browser)
15:55:58bluebrother... and also is a fine solution for users that use the main menu to access everything
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15:56:00JdGordonno that wont work...
15:56:07bluebrotherwhy not?
15:56:17JdGordonthe only way to get to the browser is "through" the root menu...
15:56:29JdGordoneven if its not shown... to the code it apears that way
15:56:50pondlifeIt should always allow left from Settings back to the root, surely.
15:56:53bluebrotherbut you don't go "through" that menu if a browser is set as startupscreen.
15:56:59bluebrothershouldn't be to hard tracking that case
15:57:20bluebrotherbut the easier solution would be to fix left from settings ;-)
15:57:58JdGordonyou dont.. but the code does..
15:58:09pondlifeHmm, some questions about the playlist viewer keymap...
15:58:15JdGordonand yes.. it should be working the same as the wps now... i dunno why the hell its not
15:58:43pondlife1) SELECT plays the selected track, but doesn't take you to the WPS. Is this correct?
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15:58:58pondlife2) PLAY does nothing - should go to the WPS, right?
15:59:16bluebrotherI don't, and it should be possible tracking what I see in the code as well
15:59:20JdGordonyes, the playlist viewer sucks :)
15:59:30pondlifeIndeed it does!
15:59:49pondlifeI wish it wouldn't insist on showing the track numbers too.
16:00:13bluebrotherpondlife: you can turn that off
16:00:24pondlifeCool, where?
16:00:39bluebrotherthere is a hidden settings menu you can only access from the playlist viewer
16:00:58pondlifePity they're not under Settings too
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16:01:06bluebrothermaybe that settings should be accessible from the settings menu too ...
16:01:28pondlifeAcgtually I can only turn off the indices, not the track number
16:01:49bluebrotheryou'll see the file name in all cases anyway
16:01:51pondlifeAh, it's using filename, not track name
16:02:19pondlifeThat's not very iTunes-friendly for the Database users.
16:02:36bluebrotheryeah ...
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16:02:40pondlifeLuckily my music collection Has A Clue
16:02:51Bagdergetting the metadata would be a whole lot more work
16:03:31bluebrotherit could get that data from the database
16:03:32pondlifeTrue, ..maybe the database could help out?
16:03:39MoosBagder: maybe in a first step, only linked to tagcache
16:04:04Bagderstill, it would need to lookup each song filename => dbentry's metadata
16:04:06linuxstbAnd only if the database is in RAM... It would be extremely nasty otherwise.
16:04:10pondlifeIt's sensible to display filenames when invoked from the file browser, maybe not so when invoked with hashed filenames.
16:04:21pondlifefrom the db.
16:04:25Moosroolku, Slasheri: any thought?
16:04:45bluebrotherlooks like updates aren't catched since the move of rockbox.* anymore
16:05:21pondlifeTry browsing the .rockbox dir?
16:05:31pondlifeIt only used to work when you browsed the root.
16:05:52pondlifeNice feature, but needs re-implementing in a more useful manner.
16:05:57bluebrotherreally? IIRC it triggered (at least some times) at USB disconnect
16:06:15pondlifeI thought so too, but noticed it didn't work if I was using the database.
16:06:17bluebrotherJdGordon: seems to be fixed.
16:06:29bluebrotherBut I only tested the resume thing and the stop bouncing.
16:06:38Moosbluebrother: before when you disconnected it asked you for rolo
16:06:55Moosdon't remenber when that went out
16:07:17pondlifeMoos: But only when you next used the file browser, I'm sure. Maybe that was unintentional..
16:07:45pondlifeAlso queued keypresses during USB would often result in it skipping the rolo question..
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16:08:16JdGordonAnd ive just fixed the settings bug... commit then bed :)
16:08:36linuxstbMoos: I think there's a patch on the tracker to display track names from the database in the playlist viewer. But IIRC, it had some issues.
16:09:46bluebrotherit was slow as hell iirc
16:09:54Moospondlife: what do you mean?, I remenber that if you quited the usb connection, in any case, it asked for ROLO cause version was changed, that wasn't the case for usb mode since the player haven't "booted" yet :)
16:10:12bluebrotherJdGordon: out of curiosity: what was the exact issue with the resume playback thing?
16:10:13Mooslinuxstb: ok, I missed that patch
16:10:33bluebrotherMoos: I guess that broke when the file got moved to .rockbox
16:10:43JdGordonbluebrother: it kept returning GO_TO_PREVIOUS, but previous was already set to wps...
16:10:45pondlifeMoos: On H340 at least, it didn't actually prompt immediately if you were viewing the database. Only when you went into the file view.
16:11:02pondlifeThis predated the root menu and the .rockbox move.
16:11:23pondlifeI assumed it was a bug but never got round to investigating
16:11:24Moosbluebrother: it went out before here, at least for my x5; didn't used my h1xx during long time
16:12:16bluebrotherJdGordon: yes, figured that out myself. But why did that happen?
16:12:27Moospondlife: ok, I din't see anymore this auto rolo when version change since ages, even before tagcache IIRC
16:12:40bluebrotheri.e. why was the last_screen state not updated properly?
16:12:45JdGordonim not 100% sure.. i tinhk because of the order of the last_screen being set
16:13:09bluebrotherah. Thought it must have been something like that ...
16:13:14JdGordonthis patch adds some extra cecks which were not done before...
16:13:34bluebrothermaybe I'll adjust my restructuring over the weekend :D
16:13:48bluebrothertrain travels can be quite nice for coding
16:14:01pondlifeMoos: The code is still in there... and it is part of tree.c..
16:14:19pondlifeShould be in a more generic USB disconnecty sort of place
16:14:29bluebrother*grr* renaming nets is quite a bad idea with DXP :(
16:14:46Moospondlife: good to know :)
16:15:39pondlifeSorry, it's actually in filetree.c.. look for "boot_changed = true;"
16:16:30Moosok np
16:16:45JdGordonyeah updated firmware file detection sux atm...
16:17:16pondlifeIt will probably trigger if you browse into .rockbox
16:17:22pondlifeWith all files displayed
16:17:22peturI had actualy done some work to fix the rolo on USB disconnect but ran out of time
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16:19:00Moospetur: is there a patch somewhere maybe ?
16:19:11Moosok :)
16:19:19pondlifeWe'll believe you... ;p
16:19:20peturit's on my pc at home
16:19:58peturif there's no big power failure tonight like last night I'll have another look at it
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16:20:20Moosgreat then !
16:20:34JdGordoncan we get the file modified attribute easily?
16:21:36peturwe should - the current change detection isn't quite what it should be too
16:22:22JdGordonseen as its almost guarenteed the disk will spin up after usb, we should just read that attr for both possible firmware files after a disconnect
16:22:30JdGordonor dump the feature completly
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16:23:38pondlifeBoth? Is the root still supported?
16:23:53JdGordonyeah, you can have it in .rockbox or /
16:24:20JdGordonBagder: is it possible to setup a script to automatically fix the svn keywords when files are added?
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16:24:40bluebrotherJdGordon: enable svn autprops
16:25:34bluebrothersomewhere in ~/.subversion/config
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16:27:42JdGordonthe very end of the file aparently...
16:28:25pondlifeJdGordon: Hmm, does this spin the disk up each time you change screen?
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16:28:43JdGordonI hope not...
16:28:51pondlifeI can't be sure. Only got a sim here..
16:29:02pondlifeBut worth a quick check maybe.
16:30:06JdGordonyour going by the debug output?
16:30:36JdGordonyeah, it writes to nvram every change... on target this is delayed untill a real spinup
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16:30:46JdGordonon the sim there is no need for the delay
16:31:19JdGordonboth tables green :) im going to bed
16:31:29cropWith the last change to root_menu.c, does the splash "Nothing to resume" show up when the playlist naturally gets to the end?
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16:31:44cropI can't test right now
16:32:11croppondlife: do you have the last change installed? Could you check it for me?
16:32:23pondlifeIndeed, it seems fixed now
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16:32:33pondlifeLet us know if not
16:32:45rp-hola rockboxers
16:33:21*pondlife joins amiconn in waiting for the yellow to go away
16:33:36croppondlife: Do you mean my question?
16:34:10pondlifeA brief test seems to show this is resolved.
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16:35:38croppondlife: fine! And thanks!
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16:37:33pondlifeThanks are due to JdGordon, not me
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16:39:11croppondlife: well, that doesn't need to be said, that's obvious. But for the record: many thanks to JdGordon!!!
16:39:15bluebrotherpondlife: we annoyed JdGordon long enough ;-)
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16:39:45defrengcan I use iboy on an iaudio x5?
16:40:03bluebrotheriboy is IPL.
16:40:07bluebrotherRockbox has Rockboy
16:40:08cropWhy are there so many warnings in the builds? Why doesn't Bagder scream?
16:40:30bluebrotherSlasheri added a #warning because of the recent problems with the scheduler
16:40:32cropBagder: are you sick? ;-)
16:41:08defrengbut I heard rockboy is not really fast?
16:41:19bluebrothercleaning up root_menu.c seems to be worth it ... last fix already gave a green delta
16:41:34bluebrotherdefreng: maybe. Never really tried it
16:41:47defrengok, will try it :)
16:41:58bluebrotherbut it won't change the situation. Feel free to improve Rockboy ;-)
16:42:11defrengare there any big risks when flashing the iaudio with rockbox?
16:42:32defrengwhen I've learned assembler ;)
16:43:13bluebrotherquoting the f(antastic) manual:
16:43:15bluebrotherThe Iaudio X5 has a builtin boot loader which performs the firmware update, and can also access the hard drive via USB. Therefore the Rockbox bootloader can be very minimalistic, without USB mode. This also makes it less dangerous to install the Rockbox bootloader, as you can always restore it using the Iaudio bootloader.
16:43:31defrengah, wonderful :)
16:43:37defrengthanks for your help
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16:44:21bluebrotherjust read the manual −−
16:44:32bluebrotherit should cover all important issues
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16:58:37spotterhi again!
16:59:07spotterallright.. i've installed cygwin now and i am currently building rockbox. :)
16:59:57spotternow... for the mod codec, is it this one you guys meant?
17:00:37spotterhow do i do now? there's some patch i need to apply somewhere?
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17:02:02spotterwhat should i download? i've got mod_v0.13.patch
17:02:10spotteri guess it should be applied to...
17:02:39nlsthe rockbox source?
17:02:54spotteraha ok
17:02:59spotterso that's how it works
17:03:10spotteri thought i had to download some modplayer source from somewhere
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17:08:32spotteri am doing this:
17:08:59spotterpatch < mod_v0.13.patch
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17:09:09spotterand i've put the patch file in my rockbox dir..
17:09:16spotterbut it can't find the files
17:10:07spotter$ patch < mod_v0.13.patch
17:10:07spottercan't find file to patch at input line 5
17:10:07spotterPerhaps you should have used the -p or −−strip option?
17:10:07DBUGEnqueued KICK spotter
17:10:07spotterThe text leading up to this was:
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17:10:08spotter|Index: apps/codecs/Makefile
17:10:12spotter|−−- apps/codecs/Makefile (revision 11977)
17:10:14spotter|+++ apps/codecs/Makefile (working copy)
17:10:18spotterFile to patch:
17:11:05linuxstbPlease don't paste more than 2 or 3 lines at once. But it looks like you need "patch -p0 < mod_v0.13.patch"
17:11:20spotterok thanx
17:11:23spotterwill try
17:11:49spotterit worked
17:13:28spotteri like the build system. really simple and smooth.
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17:24:43Ice8luedan_a: how did u fix the screen flickering?
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17:25:50spotUPhas anyone here applied the mod patch to the latest sources?
17:27:31peturor 20 Mar 10:52
17:28:52Ice8luepetur: cool, thx
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17:34:02spotUPi got probs with the patch.. started over.. let's see..
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17:35:18spotUPbtw, why ain't the mod codec in the official release? is it buggy?
17:36:05roolkuspotUP: it has a size limt for mod files
17:36:54spotUPhmm i get this error with the mod patch..
17:36:56spotUPmod.c:1887: error: too few arguments to function 'ci->pcmbuf_insert'
17:36:56spotUPmake[2]: *** [/home/Ninjabina/rockbox/build/apps/codecs/mod.o] Error 1
17:36:56spotUPrm /home/Ninjabina/rockbox/build/apps/codecs/codec_crt0.o
17:37:23roolkuroolku: let me check if my local copy differs...
17:37:31linuxstbThat function was changed recently. You'll need to see how the other codecs were changed (check the svn log) and do the same for that codec.
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17:40:08roolkuspotUP: mod_v0.13.patch works for me
17:40:13CtcpIgnored 2 channel CTCP requests in 4 minutes and 31 seconds at the last flood
17:40:13*roolku is confused
17:40:15spotUPit does?
17:40:32spotUPcould you please wrap up your sources and dcc me?
17:41:24pdedeckerWhen does Rockbox consider a song to be 'played'?
17:41:34pdedeckerWhen you start it or when it ends?
17:41:46linuxstbpdedecker: Are you talking about the log?
17:41:50roolkuspotUP: I'd rather not, they contain 32 other patches as well :)
17:42:00pdedeckerlinuxstb: No, the tag database.
17:42:39spotUProolku ok
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17:42:55linuxstbpdedecker: I don't know the answer - I was just clarifying your question in case someone else does...
17:42:57spotUPis the libdumb based player worse than this mod oner?
17:42:59pdedeckerMany of the podcasts I listen to don't get marked as 'played' after they've been played in its entirety.
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17:45:05roolkuspotUP: pcmbuf_insert seems to require 3 arguments and this is what the mod player supplies
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17:46:00roolkuspotUP: could you check your mod.c file line 945 please?
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17:47:18cropMay also non-devs (i.e. mere mortal patchers) come to DevCon?
17:47:27spotUPnano doesn't display line numbers
17:47:37spotUPwhat editor do you recommend for cygwin?
17:48:04roolkuspotUP: it is near the end, should be easy to spot
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17:48:33peturspotUP: you can use any windows editor, notepad2 is small and nice
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17:48:47desowinnano is fine imo
17:49:11linuxstbspotUP: Start nano with "nano -c filename.c"
17:49:21GodEater_doesn't nano have a "go to line number" function ?
17:49:30desowinctrl+w, ctrl+t
17:49:37linuxstb"nano +845 mod.c"
17:49:44breihanjcontrol c will also tell you your current line in nano
17:50:09GodEater_then a line number
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17:50:34GodEater_or Ctrl+_ if you prefer
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17:54:02spotUProolku woops
17:54:12spotUProolku batteries ran out
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18:19:58spotUPhmm i downloaded the source from the same date as the latest mod codec was released,
18:20:04spotUPand now i got this error:
18:20:29spotUP/home/Ninjabina/rockbox/build/apps/codecs/mod.o: In function `codec_main':
18:20:29spotUPmod.c:(.text+0xbc): relocation truncated to fit: R_ARM_PC24 against `.icode'
18:20:45spotUPmod.c:(.text+0x1c0): relocation truncated to fit: R_ARM_PC24 against `.icode'
18:20:46spotUPcollect2: ld returned 1 exit status
18:21:06spotUPdoes the mod plugin work on ipods at all?
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19:12:17amiconnHmm, it looks like JdGordon didn't find my report in the logs :/
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19:56:51lostlogicw00t! trip to Europe!
19:58:39LearYou mean for devcon?
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20:02:46lostlogicI've been waiting for an excuse to leave the states :-D
20:04:10amiconnHehe, you'll attend again this year?
20:12:41lostlogicamiconn: yeah, I'll probably use Devcon as a weekend kickoff to a week bouncing around Northern Europe.
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20:18:30breihanji was around last night, not sure if anybody saw my messages.. i have a hitachi travelstar microdrive that i've taken out of my zen vision m
20:19:09desowinso far I know rockbox doesn't run on zen vision, but what's the matter breihanj ?
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20:19:15breihanjit's got a hitachi zif connector (different from toshiba) but i'm not certain how to unlock it to remove the cable that plugs from the drive into the zen motherboard
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20:19:41breihanjyeah, some of us are trying to get a port going and i'd like to dump an image off the hd with dd
20:20:26breihanjbut i'd like to be know that i can get this creative cable removed properly so that it will be ready to plug into the ide adapter before i buy it
20:20:33breihanji have some pictures of the interface
20:21:57breihanjhere you can see what the zif connector looks like:
20:22:05breihanjin the first two pictures there's a black square by my thumb
20:22:20breihanjin between that black square and the zif connector it looks like there's something diagonal
20:22:43breihanji can't tell if it's an actuator that i can hit with a screwdriver to unlock the zif socket
20:22:53breihanji'm afraid of just jamming a screwdriver in there and breaking a capacitor off the board or something :)
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20:27:15toffe82hello breihanj , sorry for yesterday but I saw your message too late
20:27:26breihanjno worries
20:28:32breihanji have the pdf technical drawings that toffe82 found on japan aviation electronics' website (they made the connector) mirrored here:
20:28:55breihanjhitachi doesn't seem to indicate where the eject mechanism is in their docs
20:29:03breihanjor unlock rather
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20:29:55breihanjunfortunately i am at work right now and don't have the drive on me
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20:31:56toffe82if the drawing is for this connector, you have to lift the black part
20:32:07aduarteWhere is the calendar app in rockbox?
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20:32:27aduarteisn't it in plugins folder?
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20:32:38toffe82breihanj: look at the drawing at the top right, you have the position close and open
20:33:53toffe82it looks like you have to put a small screw driver between the whit and black part and lift the black part in dircetion of the hd
20:35:18breihanjtoffe82: you are talking about from the top view?
20:35:44toffe82yes did you see on the drawing the lock mecanism
20:36:10breihanjfrom the top part there are two places a screwdriver would fit
20:36:28aduartedesowin: Thanks a lot, I was told it was part of the default installation
20:37:01toffe82breihanj: I think that you can even open it with your nail
20:37:24breihanjin do you see the spaces in the black connector above the white connector?
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20:38:05breihanji still don't see where the lock would be
20:38:11toffe82yes, it is here in between the white and black part
20:38:22breihanjthere is space to put a screwdriver on either side but it didn't appear to do anything when i did
20:38:35toffe82the black is the lock , if the drawing is for this connector
20:38:57breihanji dunno if you can see in that picture
20:39:00breihanjbut there was a metal piece
20:39:06toffe82the other thing is , you see on the right of the white part
20:39:18breihanjthat was underneath the board that went into where the hole is in the white part, another type of lock
20:39:23breihanjbut i just bent that out of the wya
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20:39:27toffe82there is a small white part which seems to be separate
20:39:48breihanji didn't see that before but i see what you're saying
20:39:52breihanji think it could be due to lighting
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20:40:10toffe82this could be the lock also
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20:40:37breihanjthe black parts on both sides have to expand out somehow
20:40:41breihanjto unlock the white plug
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20:40:43toffe82if yes, just pull out in direction of the cable
20:41:01breihanjit won't pull outward because the black part holds it into place
20:41:09breihanji gave it a bit of a tug and it still didn't come out last night
20:41:17breihanj(luckily the cable appears to still function)
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20:44:12toffe82try to lift the black part
20:44:31toffe82normally there is not much resistance
20:45:32breihanjyou're saying the black pieces on the sides? lift from where? prying up with a screwdriver had no effect
20:45:52breihanji dunno if you saw that diagonal thing before from the other view of the drive
20:46:06breihanjit's dark and i can't really see in there well
20:46:16breihanjbut in the photos it looks like it could be a release lever
20:46:19toffe82no the long black piece
20:46:31breihanji'm also curious as to how this thing gets locked after i put the new cable on
20:46:35toffe82look the drawing
20:46:58toffe82top right it show the connector open and closed vue from the side
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20:49:38breihanjare you looking at the pdf i linked?
20:50:31breihanjor the one with the round wheel
20:51:35breihanjmust be the wheel one because i see two connectors in the top right on that one..
20:51:45breihanjthe other doc has the closeup of the connectors
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20:53:25toffe82the link you give this morning
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21:10:37bluebrotherroolku: do you have good mod files to test you can distribute (or a link to files)?
21:10:46bluebrotherI want to test the mod player on my mini ;-)
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21:17:57perl|workgood mod group from back in the days :P
21:18:32preglowlooks like the build servers haven't done the latest commit
21:19:06perl|workmight stumble upon an .xm here and there though
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21:24:26perl|workamusing mod people
21:25:14perl|worklet me know if you need more :P
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21:37:46amiconnjhMikeS: Do you have an idea why just changing the variable declaration has such an effect on target binary size?
21:38:55amiconnEh, seems like a bug in the build table list script
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21:39:40*amiconn guesses the reason for the size increase is Nico_P's commit - but that one doesn't appear from the links in the table
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21:46:42mirshafiehello. anyone know if 2nd gen ipod nanos will be supported by rockbox any time soon?
21:47:10nlsno, they will not (most likely)
21:47:46mirshafiehow come? any specific reason?
21:48:07nlsbecause no one has ported rockbox to it
21:48:25bluebrotherthe 2nd gen nanos are completely different from all other ipods
21:48:46bluebrotherand, to make it even harder, the firmware is completely encrypted.
21:48:56bluebrotherwhich makes a port highly unlikely
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21:49:58mirshafiethat's too bad. rockbox looks really cool.
21:50:29linuxstbYou could always sell your Nano... ;)
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21:52:13mirshafielinuxstb: just bought it a few days ago :) i guess i could get a 30 GB ipod instead... :-/
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21:57:35perl|worklinuxstb have you tried to encode the videos with winFF and compare results quality/size/sync wise with vls for example?
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21:59:30linuxstbperl|work: No. I'm hoping others will sort out the encoding side of the equation.
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22:01:41perl|worklinuxstb, yeah i guess i need to ask llorean, he did a lot of testing it seems
22:01:59linuxstbDoesn't vlc use ffmpeg?
22:02:54roolkubluebrother: if you still want a mod here is an 8 channel one
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22:03:13bluebrothersec, phone
22:03:42perl|workso basically there shouldn't be any difference then
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22:08:41jhMikeSamiconn: that is odd especially since the change was only in a coldfire file. I agree it seems like a bug.
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22:10:32jhMikeSI mean, it should be unsigned long after preprocessing anyway
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22:11:38midgey34jhMikeS: Nico_P's commit didnt register a build
22:12:22jhMikeSah, that's what that meant
22:12:36amiconnYeah, for some strange reason, and his commit doesn't appear when clicking the diff links to the left of the build table or size table
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22:23:35roolkux1jmp: are you here?
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22:30:00eatnumber1if a dev is here, I created a patch for my ipod nano so I could set it to 300mah, and after one full discharge, it seems to be reporting remaining battery life correctly
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22:30:42Bagderbut surely it isn't 300mah?
22:32:00eatnumber1no, it's definatley either 300 or 340
22:32:32eatnumber1I had that discussion last night... let me find the link
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22:33:12eatnumber1that site says 300mah
22:33:14eatnumber1some say 340
22:33:28eatnumber1300 seems to be perfectly accurate for me tho
22:36:16eatnumber1meh, guess no devs are on... oh well, of to class
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22:40:05x3jmproolku: yes, did you find out something about the scrollbug?
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22:49:47roolkux1jmp: not really, I am just doing a fresh build with only the style patch to see if it happens then...
22:50:22roolkux1jmp: I am more concerned why I don't get my *.oft files back (which I deleted after renaming the index files)
22:50:45x1jmproolku: you said the bug happened even before the style functions were added...
22:51:13roolkux1jmp: I did?
22:51:19*roolku goes looking
22:51:32x1jmproolku: not now, but you reported it :)
22:52:50x1jmproolku: are the .oft files really missing? As you wrote in the tracker it doesn't find your .idx files
22:52:51roolkuI mean they look the same as the one caused by
22:53:47roolkuyes (I deleted them and just checked to confirm)
22:54:11peturanybody with rootmenu knowledge around?
22:54:40x1jmpAhh, now I understand! As you mentioned the "scrollbug" I thought about the distorded screen after scrolling/opening the menu :)
22:55:16roolkux1jmp: no, the .idx files are fine. but the error splash complains : "Failed to open Index" and then the plugin quits with "plugin error"
22:56:32roolkuthis happens after I have typed a search in the virtual keyboard and pressed power
22:56:44x1jmproolku: I was using the y-margin patch from 6796, which was rejected, I think I have forgotten to remove it in one patch when switching back to setting the margin manually
22:58:04x1jmproolku: "Failed to open index" means the .idx file couldn't be opened. What's the name of that .idx?
22:59:14roolkudewiki.idx and enwiki.idx
22:59:31peturhmmm isn't root_menu supposed to go through MENU_ATTACHED_USB after detaching USB?
22:59:32roolkuI didn't expect them to be opened only after the search was entered
23:00:02roolkux1jmp: let me try your latest incarnation
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23:11:07spotUPhas anyone built the modplayer for ipod mini g2?
23:11:49markunspotUP: probably not
23:12:05roolkuspotUP: I can dcc it if you want (bluebrother has)
23:12:21*bluebrother comes back
23:12:22markunspotUP, roolku: ok, I'll shut up then :)
23:12:33bluebrotherroolku, the file you dcc'ed me works fine on my mini 2g
23:13:56roolkubluebrother: good. it might not be the most complex one, but I figured 8chn mixing must require more power than 4 channels
23:15:27roolkuspotUP: I tried dcc, but it timed out
23:15:44spotUPhey hey!!
23:15:48spotUPhi roolku
23:16:03spotUPi just found the solution!
23:16:08spotUPcheck this thread!
23:16:37spotUPdoes anyone know the author of the mod patch?
23:17:06peturcheck the tracker where you got the patch ;)
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23:17:37roolkuspotUP: yes, that might be the better solution
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23:17:52*roolku tries
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23:20:40roolkux1jmp: clean svn with your patch works nicely...let me try my patched version
23:20:49bluebrotherroolku, your mod plays with less than 30% boost ratio. Nice :)
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23:23:07spotUPcan anyone recommend a good editor for windows?
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23:28:01XavierGrnotepad2, fast, small and full of features for not so heavy users
23:28:16XavierGrand seemless transition from original windows notepad
23:28:21markunIs there anyone here using voice files with rockbox, generated by eSpeak?
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23:33:09spotUProolku ah i am not used to using nano and windows, everything takes forever here.
23:33:28spotUPcould you dcc me your modified version, if/when you are done?
23:33:45toffe82pspad is not so bad also , long to start but after ok
23:34:05roolkuspotUP: yes. I am trying the gigabeat first though - did you try the one I dcced already?
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23:39:08spotUPi'll try it now.
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23:39:46Soapany value to the developers for a Sansa with broken LCD?
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23:41:46spotUPoh it was compiled already.
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23:41:53spotUPi'll smack it in now.
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23:52:29spotUProolku hmm strange. i am using your build now. it boots fine.
23:52:42spotUPbut when i browse my mod/ dir, i see no files.
23:52:55spotUPi have named some blah.mod and some mod.blah
23:52:59spotUPstill no luck
23:53:02*petur wonders if he should store the last known bootfile size and startcluster in the settings to avoid the diskread at startup (rolo on bootfile change fix)
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23:53:41spotUPmp3's show up though.
23:54:35roolkuspotUP: hm, might have sent the wrong file? could you check if there is mod codec in the codec directory
23:54:52spotUPthere is
23:55:36roolkuand you have copied the whole contents of the (including the rockbox.ipod)?
23:55:57amiconnpetur: This would make rockbox falsely detect a bootfile change (with subsequent reboot question) if rockbox was changed in bootloader usb or OF usb
23:56:02spotUPthat must be the problem
23:56:12spotUPit uses my rockbox.ipod that's in the root
23:56:16spotUPwill change it now
23:56:21peturamiconn: true
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23:57:27peturhmmmm I could do the scan just before usb connect iso at startup
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23:58:34peturbefore accepting the usb connect
23:58:47peturdisk has to spin up anyway
23:58:48amiconnThere is a reason why early usb is called early usb
23:58:55spotUProolku !!! \o/ where do i send the beer?! :D It wooorks!

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