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#rockbox log for 2007-03-30

00:00:13amiconnIn main.c, usb detection happens before accessing the disk, and if detected, rockbox will go into usb immediately
00:00:27roolkuspotUP: good to hear
00:00:34peturah, for the targets without bootloader usb
00:00:34amiconnFirst, this is to protect from rockbox crashes due to bugs in conjunction with a corrupt filesystem
00:00:43spotUPthere is a mod player called mikmodule for ipod-linux, i noticed that someone tried to port mikmod to rockbox earlier, maybe it will be easier using the already ipod friendly ipod-linux mikmodule app?
00:00:52amiconnSecond, on Ondio, this is a convenience function.
00:01:15roolkuspotUP: I will put the better solution (with the iram use still intact) on the patch tracker
00:01:24spotUProolku ok cool! great work! i owe you one!
00:01:31amiconnAn MMC can operate in 2 modes, MMC mode and SPI mode. You can switch from MMC to SPI during operation, but for switching back the card must be power cycled
00:01:37roolkuspotUP: if you want I can dcc the again but thereis probably not much difference
00:01:49spotUPwith the nicer fix?
00:01:58amiconnThe USB-MMC bridge uses MMC mode, the core cpu uses SPI mode (it has to due to the wiring)
00:02:19peturamiconn: so I just do the initial filesize read in main.c and thus have it scanned on every boot...
00:02:28roolkuspotUP: okay (still compiling though)
00:02:29amiconnSo if we want to allow accessing a plugged MMC via usb directly after boot, rockbox *must* not access the MMC before
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00:03:24amiconnBootfile detection would be possible, because that's only ever on the internal flash which also acts as an MMC but does have a reset line
00:04:08amiconnBut for safety reasons we should stay away from accessing the disk before it gets a chance to go into usb mode
00:04:22peturok ok got the message
00:04:56amiconnI'm not sure, but I tend to think this bootfile change detection should go
00:05:21peturI'm thinking of moving it into default_event_handler_ex()
00:06:02spotUProolku, ok cool. what was the size limit for the mod plugin? i mean for the mods. i heard it couldn't load big mods. i read that the limit was 1.7mb in mikmodule, same for this one? very few mods are bigger than 1.7mb, i bet no-one is, as the amiga1200 only had 2mb chipmem.
00:06:08amiconnCurrently the browser handles it, and doing it there has the advantage of no *extra* disk access
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00:06:47peturwell that implementation was borked and then broken by root_menu
00:06:57spotUPpetur, are you from sweden?
00:07:01amiconn...but this way it only detects the change when browsing the dir where it resides
00:07:05peturnope .be
00:07:10roolkuspotUP: much smaller I am afraid: 486kbyte
00:07:29spotUPaha. petur is not that common a name, so, i thought i'd ask. you never know. :)
00:08:10peturamiconn: I currently do the initial size scan in main() and then the check in root_menu() - seems to work ok
00:08:14spotUProolku ok. why? how much ram does ipods have? hehe and sorry for throwing out so many questions. i am new to this. i have only had my ipod for some days.
00:08:24roolkuspotUP: it would require some changes in the codec API to use the audio buffer
00:08:38amiconnpetur: Maybe, but it requires extra disk accesses this way
00:08:40spotUPoh. so it's a rockbox thing then.
00:08:45roolkuspotUP: currently it can only use the codec buffer
00:08:47amiconnI don't think it's worth that
00:08:59spotUProolku, any plans on making those changes?
00:09:03linuxstbspotUP: With the current buffering, the MOD file isn't guaranteed to be contiguous in the audio buffer - the audio buffer is a ringbuffer.
00:09:36peturthat's why I would rather only do this before and after usb connect
00:10:06roolkulinuxstb: would it be an acceptable compromise to force a re-buffer (by seeking to the start) when a wrap is detected?
00:10:22*spotUP listens with big ears
00:10:28roolkulinuxstb: provided the file is shorter than half the available ram
00:11:01linuxstbI'm not sure that would guarantee a rebuffer.
00:11:37spotUPoh, btw roolku, if you wanna hear mine and friends mods, visit the homepage of our amiga demogroup at :)
00:11:58spotUPwe are among the few still keeping it real in protracker haha
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00:12:06roolkulinuxstb: from experience I would say it does, but I would try and confirm it from the source
00:12:42TheSphinX^is it currently normal that after I played some mod's that the following mp3's are skipping?
00:13:40linuxstbroolku: But regarding your suggested hack, I think there's quite a strong feeling in Rockbox that temporary hacks should be avoided.
00:14:02linuxstbWhich is why things like album art aren't in SVN.
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00:14:20roolkuyes, I got the same impression
00:15:08roolkumaybe the MOB could have an option where certain file types are to be loaded as a continious block
00:15:17roolkuspotUP: here it comes
00:16:19linuxstbIt's not really related to MOB, but it does require that very rare person - someone who understands the playback engine.
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00:17:42BigMacANy gigabeat users about?
00:18:06roolkuBigMac: yup
00:18:33BigMacroolku: Mind joining #gigabeat for some questions
00:18:43BigMacdon't want to spam here up
00:20:31roolkuspotUP: Just had a look at your site - which mod would you suggest I should try? :)
00:21:01spotUPmmm m mm check your dick :)
00:21:14spotUPor . .. .. . or the to be in love remix
00:21:44spotUProolku thanx for the new build!
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00:28:41roolkuspotUP: where do I find it? I am looking under music?
00:29:11TheSphinX^roolku on the mainpage i saw it
00:29:20peturamiconn: in case you're interested, this is what I made of it so far:
00:31:29spotUPi'll give you links
00:32:03spotUProolku here:
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00:36:18spotUPit's getting late. gotta go to bed. thanx again roolku. bye!
00:36:36 Quit spotUP ()
00:38:17peturbrrr... 6 comments on a new patch in less than 10 minutes...
00:38:26TheSphinX^hehe :D
00:39:51peturTheSphinX^: what do you mean with 'There are some irc-discussions how to detect etc.' ?
00:39:57bluebrotherstrange comment by ColdSphinx
00:40:35bluebrother"Rockbox should detect" −− it does, it's currently broken and the patch addresses it.
00:40:48TheSphinX^bluebrother: am i right that you speak german?
00:40:48bluebrotherI don't understand what this comment is supposed to tell ...
00:41:40TheSphinX^dann kann ich dir ja sagen das ich kurz vorm einschlafen bin und mein englisch gerade immer stärker gegen null geht
00:41:56peturgo sleep then
00:42:06TheSphinX^good night
00:42:13bluebrotherTheSphinX^, hehe. But if you want to talk german please PM me
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00:42:22bluebrotheras this channel is english
00:42:30bluebrotherGute Nacht.
00:43:03TheSphinX^i didn't know how to explain the whole sentence in english
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00:43:30peturstrange... root_menu.* has different line-endings than the other files here
00:43:36bluebrotherit has?
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00:43:53peturmust be some svn property
00:44:18bluebrotherfile tells me nothing about DOS line endings here.
00:44:32petursee... it misses svn:eol-style = native
00:44:42bluebrothermaybe you checked out parts using Tortoise and others using cygwin svn?
00:44:43peturand revision
00:45:11bluebrotherhmm. Aren't text files svn:eol-style = native per default?
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00:45:32peturroot_menu.* have no properties set at all
00:46:25bluebrotherright ... never noticed that
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00:48:16peturoh fun, tortoise crashed on me :/
00:56:31 Quit ender` (" In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. )
01:01:15peturheh... crashing tortoise made me think of a discworld book about crashing tortoises, and then I see the quit msg of ender` quoting from another discworld book :)
01:02:31hcsthat was from hitchhiker's guide
01:02:39hcs(to the galaxy)
01:02:46peturhmmm is it? damn memory :(
01:03:48midgeyhcs: is there a reason that spc has a genre hack but nsf does not?
01:03:58hcsmidgey: nope
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01:04:38hcsjust never did it, same reason it is using a lot of division for fade but SPC has a decrememnter
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01:04:54midgeyah ok :)
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01:36:26H10_007quickMay I have wiki write privilages?
01:36:41petursure, wiki name please
01:36:48H10_007quickThe H10 port needs updating
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01:38:35peturH10_007quick: done
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01:50:45LloreanH10_007quick: Why did you put "how to compile" type stuff on the H10PortDevInfo page?
01:51:12H10_007quickIt was there already, I just edited a few things since it was there
01:51:29H10_007quickMade it SVN instead of CVS etc
01:51:43LloreanH10_007quick: You added a whole "Build a Rockbox Bootloader" section
01:51:57H10_007quickthat was there
01:52:09midgeyhe just changed CVS to SVN i think....
01:52:23LloreanOh, the diff thing is just not being friendly
01:52:28LloreanLooked at the old revision manually
01:52:31Soaphow bad is an error like "thread.c:67: warning: 'cores_locked' defined but not used"
01:52:39LloreanThat's a very silly page, there's way too much repeated information from the standard pages.
01:52:46H10_007quickI added "(Note: Those with the H10 MTP version must run ../tools/scramble -mi4v3 bootloader/bootloader.bin H10.mi4 in order to get a proper bootloader)"
01:52:46LloreanSoap: It's a warning.
01:53:11Soapyou are saying, as opposed to an error?
01:53:16LloreanSoap: Yep.
01:53:21H10_007quickLlorean: anything wrong with that?
01:53:23peturmore like a reminder that this needs to be addressed
01:53:26LloreanSoap: Warnings, in theory, aren't necessarily bad at all.
01:53:27Soapyes, I see now looking up I mixed my terms.
01:53:44LloreanH10_007quick: Yes, it once more suggests to inattentive viewers that "These processes are different for the H10, so we have to tell you how here"
01:54:29H10_007quickProbably that page should be removed anyways
01:54:44H10_007quickOr most of it
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01:55:37H10_007quickLlorean: I still fail to see that I did anything wrong though (point it out and I will get rid of it!)
01:55:48LloreanH10_007quick: You didn't.
01:56:00LloreanH10_007quick: The "Diff" function made it look like you added a bunch of stuff that you didn't
01:56:10LloreanMy complaint is now against the original page, not you. :)
01:56:18H10_007quickSame here
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01:56:26H10_007quickShould I try to clean it up in the future?
01:57:05LloreanIt really doesn't need a lot of that stuff. Anything that's explained properly somewhere else, like how to compile a bootloader or install Rockbox's bootloader, should just reference the standard guide.
01:57:34LloreanThe problem with writing the same stuff on a single-player page, is that it suggests that it's somehow "different" instead of just being repeated information.
01:57:41Soap(or the standard guide should be improved if it is found lacking.)
01:57:47peturhmmm did just go down?
01:59:16peturcan't ping or browse it :(
01:59:35linuxstbpetur: Works fine here...
01:59:40peturah... back again
01:59:51*petur swears a bit more at his ISP
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02:03:11*petur adds another rolo fix proposal and heads off to bed
02:03:18pearldiverLlorean is there any significant difference between encoding with winFF and vlc?
02:03:35Lloreanpearldiver: WinFF seems more tolerant
02:03:40kkurbjunthanks for that Llorean
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02:04:13Lloreanpearldiver: WinFF will fix files with not-quite-perfect 29.976 to the right ratio, while VLC will just not encode a video stream unless you add -fps 29.976023 to the command line
02:04:43pearldiverbut quality wise they are basically the same i guess since the same encoder used
02:05:31Llorean99.9% of quality will depend on your source file and your settings
02:05:42LloreanBut ffmpeg is a solid set of encoders.
02:06:28pearldiveri noticed in the winFF encoding window some notice about error in the code build?
02:06:52pearldivermaybe im hallucinating
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02:07:11Lloreanpearldiver: That's not important
02:07:45LloreanThough if you'd like you can find a newer version of ffmpeg.exe and replace the one there with a properly compiled one
02:07:58pearldiveri see
02:08:00LloreanI had to do that because the one with WinFF wouldn't do H264 for some other tests I was running.
02:09:02pearldiveroh could you upload it somewhere?
02:09:13pearldiveri was about to do some h.264 encoding
02:09:26Lloreanpearldiver: I got it from here:
02:09:43LloreanIt'll mention a missing .dll possibly. Google that .dll and you'll find a .z7 of it at the same host.
02:09:58linuxstbpearldiver: Did you report problems with mpegplayer dropping too many frames?
02:10:07pearldivermine was always perfect
02:10:38linuxstbSo it wasn't dropping frames at all?
02:11:18pearldiveri watched about 6 different videos so far
02:11:28*Llorean is still impressed mpegplayer handled an 60fps file comfortably
02:11:32pearldiverafter that little sync fix everything was perfect
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02:23:35webguest95yo who know about sansas
02:23:42webguest95i need some help
02:24:13Nico_Pwebguest95: ask the question, someone who knows the answer might read it
02:24:27Lloreanwebguest95: And have patience, nobody gets paid to help you, and people are often busy in here.
02:24:40webguest95my sansa messup form fromating
02:25:08webguest95my computer sunndly shut off so it said 0 memory
02:25:23webguest95i had to free up 6 mb for music db
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02:25:50webguest95and i used the sansa E200 tool in recovery mode and now my sansa wont start up
02:25:58webguest95dats it
02:26:24pearldiverLlorean are there any useful command line parameters for winFF?
02:26:40webguest95see nobody talkin
02:26:42Lloreanpearldiver: Not for WinFF, but for ffmpeg which you put in that box at the bottom
02:26:51webguest95i need help PLZ
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02:26:56Lloreanwebguest95: HAVE PATIENCE.
02:26:58pearldiverthats what i meant
02:27:05Lloreanwebguest95: There's no guarantee anyone here can help you
02:27:18linuxstbwebguest95: Have you seen this page?
02:27:18Lloreanwebguest95: There's also the fact that you didn't actually tell exactly what you did. "Used e200tool" doesn't mean much on its own
02:27:30Lloreanpearldiver: Gimme just a second, I can give you all the options
02:27:58webguest95i use it and i let it go for an min
02:28:29LloreanBut e200tool isn't meant to be used with the Sansa's Recovery Mode. It's meant to be used when the Sansa is in manufacturing mode.
02:28:31webguest95and my computer was going crazy so now the scrool wheel is only working
02:28:42webguest95wat is manufaction
02:28:54webguest95dat s my other question
02:28:59pearldiverLlorean thats nice, thanks
02:29:00webguest95how do u go to it
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02:29:22Lloreanwebguest95: Is there any way you could attempt to use real words? It's getting a pain to read what you say, especially since you seem to end lines at random intervals.
02:29:30Lloreanwebguest95: Also, try reading the page linuxstb linked to you.
02:29:40webguest95what is Manufaction mode
02:29:47webguest95sorry for my spelling
02:30:01Lloreanwebguest95: Again, for the last time, try reading the page linuxstb linked you to.
02:30:09webguest95How do you get to it
02:30:10linuxstbwebguest95: And also this page -
02:30:16saratogamanufacturing mode is one of the last chances you get to fix the sansa before you have a paperweight i think
02:30:28Lloreansaratoga: Actually, there's one even more last chance.
02:30:37Lloreansaratoga: But I believe that's a mode it takes itself to when nothing else will work.
02:31:15smablyis adding menu options considered bad form?
02:31:17saratogayeah i can't keep the sansa straight
02:31:31saratogai'll have to pickup one of those eventually
02:31:35webguest95but hold on my sansa in device mananger is detected as MTP device
02:31:35Lloreansaratoga: Yeah, there are too many "modes"
02:31:56Lloreansmably: What do you mean?
02:32:19linuxstbsmably: Adding unnecessary menu options is bad...
02:33:03pearldiverLlorean what modes does the strict command keeps exactly?
02:33:12smablyLlorean: i remember people saying stuff about settings bloat before or something −− basically, i'm wondering what people would think of committing FS #6831 :)
02:33:23webguest95Is there any bottons to press to get to manufaction mode
02:34:01Lloreanpearldiver: If you don't have -strict -1, you can't use the 10, 12, or 15fps rates.
02:34:18Lloreanpearldiver: Technically speaking they aren't part of the MPEG standard, I believe, but they're supported very widely despite that.
02:34:44saratogawebguest95: check the link linuxstb posted above
02:34:47saratogaits all in there
02:34:51Lloreansmably: I'm against it, as bloat.
02:34:58saratogaand you should probably read that entire page before even trying any of this
02:35:06webguest95can i talk to you private
02:35:22Lloreansmably: I personally haven't bothered to set my RTC on the Gigabeat, since I don't care, and I'd hate to be annoyed by a prompt every. :)
02:35:44Lloreanwebguest95: Why haven't you read the pages linked to you?
02:35:48linuxstbsmably: As mentioned on the patch tracker, it was discussed in IRC around the time the patch was posted. You should be able to find the discussion in the logs.
02:36:00webguest95I DID
02:36:02pearldiverLlorean have you tried the 2 passes mode? does it improve anything?
02:36:11smablyLlorean: well, that's why it's off by default
02:36:18smablylinuxstb: ok, thanks. i'll have a look.
02:36:25linuxstbwebguest95: The second page I linked you to tells you that.
02:36:30Lloreanwebguest95: Not well enough, the second one linuxstb links tells how to get into Manufacturing mode.
02:36:44webguest95give it to me again
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02:36:50Lloreanwebguest95: Scroll up
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02:37:11webguest95can you tell me the second link
02:37:13Lloreanwebguest95: If you can't follow documentation, you will NOT be able to follow it exactly enough to save your Sansa. So learn how to read carefully now, before the mistakes can brick your player.
02:37:26Lloreanpearldiver: I haven't tried it yet.
02:37:34pearldiverlet me try it
02:37:35saratogaseriously, you've already nearly destroyed your player, this is sort of your last chance
02:38:04saratogastop trying to fix it for a couple minutes and read through all the pages until you understand the process, its not that complicated, but if you do the wrong thing, you'll lose your sansa
02:38:05Lloreanpearldiver: I was considering adding 2-pass presets for the Gigabeat, since I think it's the only one with a high framerate and big enough visual area to even possibly benefit from the increased encode time
02:38:56pearldiveris there a way to hardcode the subtitles from the command line?
02:39:02Lloreansmably: I don't think it's a "bad" patch, I just don't think it's necessary. If you've flipped the power switch, you know your time is wrong.
02:39:13Lloreanpearldiver: I believe so, see that long list of options, it has subtitle ones.
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02:39:30pearldiverim looking at it right now, i see only few for subs
02:39:30saratogawow the sansa is down to 160 USD shipped
02:39:39saratogafor the 8GB
02:39:49pearldiversaratoga F40 is $100 shipped :P
02:39:58saratogayeah i know
02:40:00pearldiver40GB :))
02:40:01saratogathats also tempting
02:40:19saratogabut i've already got an ipod
02:40:22Lloreanpearldiver: The Sansa has a lot more potential functionality
02:40:25saratogaso i'm leaning towards flash
02:40:44pearldiverLlorean i wasnt really keen on the feel/looks of it
02:40:50Lloreanpearldiver: I really haven't tried subtitles, so I dunno. I didn't see many options, but I don't know how many you need.
02:41:02LloreanThe Sansa feels quite solid to me, which I like
02:41:09pearldiverLlorean well just the basic one to recognize and hardcode them
02:41:15LloreanIt's fairly small, but still has a very nice looking screen, and includes FM Radio and internal mic recording.
02:41:42pearldiveri guess this one
02:41:49smablyLlorean: true; the purpose of this patch is convenience, though, so you don't have to wade through the menu every time the RTC gets reset
02:41:55saratogais it actually usable in Rockbox yet?
02:41:59Domonokyif someone wants to try the new rbutil version without wizards: <- win32 binary
02:42:02saratogaor at least nice to use in rockbox
02:42:31Lloreanpearldiver: Actually, it may not be able to overlay subtitles for you. That one seems like it's more for adding subtitles into the container for formats that support separate subtitles.
02:42:33smably*is so
02:42:48Lloreansaratoga: No recording features working on the Sansa yet, I believe.
02:42:50pearldiverLlorean hmm yeah
02:42:51Nico_Pdoes anyone have an idea why my latest commit was eaten by the build page ?
02:43:04Nico_PDomonoky: have you seen my rbutil patch ?
02:43:13Lloreansmably: Yes, but the RTC should get reset so rarely that it's a very very small addition to convenience.
02:43:16saratogahows playback though? i saw theres patches for the screen and volume issues
02:43:22saratogabut is it stable?
02:43:40Lloreansaratoga: Not perfect yet, they're still working out the proper settings for the hardware.
02:43:48saratogayeah i've been following it
02:43:57DomonokyNico_P: now wizards anymore, so also no cancel message :-)
02:44:12Nico_PDomonoky: cool
02:44:18Nico_PI hated these messages
02:44:31tsuyoshirockbox has some clicks in the audio on sansa
02:44:37tsuyoshikind of annoying
02:44:43smablyLlorean: heh, okay. consensus last time this discussed seemed to be that this would be annoying, because it would show up too often (that's why i made it optional, and off by default)
02:44:48Lloreansmably: Basically, once everything's "working", a user should never have to reset their RTC because they should never have to switch off or remove the battery, right?
02:44:49Domonokyi will commit this in a few days, and the insert the sansapatcher..
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02:45:20smablyLlorean: well, apparently on archos targets, the RTC gets reset every time you replace the batteries, which can be quite frequently
02:45:20tsuyoshiaside from the audio quality I like it better than the sandisk firmware
02:45:21saratogatheres a patch for the glitches
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02:45:28webguest95Yo can any body give me their screen name for AIM so i can get my sansa
02:45:31Lloreansmably: It can be quite frequently, but that's user choice.
02:45:33tsuyoshiwhich isn't saying much cuz the sandisk firmware really sucks
02:45:46Lloreansmably: Many people charge their batteries externally
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02:46:39Lloreansmably: I just don't like the idea of increasing the binary size at all, for an option that is irrelevant for the majority of users, and only fixes a problem for people who choose to charge their battery externally AND want to use the RTC.
02:47:01Lloreansmably: I wouldn't mind if when the RTC was invalid, when you entered the setting screen the first time the value shows was the current build date/time though
02:47:12LloreanJust, no popup, no options, no anything else, to me.
02:47:23smablyLlorean: okay, that's reasonable (the binary size argument)
02:47:52Lloreansmably: Binary size is *very* tight for Archoses, and we're already past one of the "too big" points. :)
02:48:22Lloreanwebguest95: Seriously, if you can't follow the directions as written, you ARE going to make things worse when you try it. It's not a simple process.
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02:49:04Lloreansaratoga: I hear good things about that patch, haven't tried it yet.
02:49:38smablyLlorean: okay, fair enough. i definitely agree that the values should be initialized to the build date...or at the very least, the year should be 2007 by default, instead of 2000 :)
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02:51:34webguest95I NEED SERious HELP
02:51:54Lloreanwebguest95: Please, stop shouting.
02:51:56SoapThen please type like a serious individual. No excessive usage of caps.
02:52:12webguest95tell me the steps
02:52:38Lloreanwebguest95: Why won't you read the existing documentation on it?
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02:53:04webguest95iam i dont get it is it this website
02:53:06webguest95hold on
02:53:23webguest95is it that
02:53:41linuxstbwebguest95: This is the link you ignored earlier -
02:54:18Lloreanwebguest95: I'm 100% serious when I say, if you can't be careful enough to follow and read thoroughly the links you're given, there is a very, very good chance you will just make your Sansa worse.
02:54:19pearldiverLlorean looks like ffmpeg X has this option built it
02:54:28Lloreanpearldiver: Which option?
02:54:34pearldiverto embed subtitles
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02:55:32Lloreanpearldiver: I thought subtitles for ffmpegX required external mencoder support
02:55:59linuxstbpearldiver: Are you not confusing it with separate subtitle streams - e.g. like DVDs have.
02:56:36pearldiverno, just regular .srt, etc files
02:56:54kkurbjunwhat is the purpose/expected output of the ata_is_coldstart function?
02:57:59webguest95yea do i do it in command prompt
02:58:00pearldiverand yes, they're using mencoder for that
02:58:38Lloreanwebguest95: The windows version doesn't work, you'll need to use linux.
02:58:45webguest95but i cant get into recovery mode
02:58:45*linuxstb didn't spot the "X" in pearldiver's question
02:58:52webguest95how do i do that
02:58:58Lloreanpearldiver: So that's outside the purpose of WinFF, which is just a front end for ffmpeg.
02:59:09webguest95can you tell me
02:59:11saratogatheres instructions for recovery mode in the above link
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02:59:16linuxstbwebguest95: The instructions on that page didn't work?
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02:59:20saratogawhat happens when you try them
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03:02:46Lloreanlinuxstb: I commented on the "mpegplayer crashes on exit" task, it's perfectly reliable on my gigabeat, but I think it hangs the second core right now (since some recent threading changes) because I get a freeze when I try to play my second file.
03:04:17pearldiverLlorean hmm trying to encode now. encoding window pops up with
03:04:18pearldiverE:\Program Files\WinFF>pause
03:04:18pearldiverPress any key to continue . . .
03:04:24pearldiverand thats about it
03:04:31linuxstbLlorean: OK, thanks. I'm not really paying much attention to that bug yet.
03:04:35*linuxstb sleeps
03:04:45Lloreanlinuxstb: Just wanted to let you know it wasn't present until very recently
03:05:00Lloreanlinuxstb: The "old-sync-code" build I had didn't demonstrate it, and my Gigabeat doesn't do it.
03:05:32Lloreanpearldiver: Um, I'm not sure what you mean by that, you've said that without any context.
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03:06:12pearldiverok, i click the Start Converting button
03:06:27pearldiverwindow pops up with the whole command line that looks OK to me
03:06:35pearldiverfollowed by what i posted
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03:06:51LloreanAre you using one of the presets, or did you try changing something?
03:06:58pearldiverjust the preset
03:07:11LloreanPaste your whole console output to a pastebin, for me.
03:07:18pearldiverhold on
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03:09:16webguest95What does Manufaction Mode Looks like
03:09:33saratogamatlab is pretty much the worst programming language i've ever used
03:09:40saratogai have it so much
03:09:52Lloreanwebguest95: Screen is off, just the wheel lights up.
03:10:10webguest95And After That What Do I Do
03:10:28webguest95I PUT THE Files
03:10:39Lloreanwebguest95: Please, READ
03:10:48webguest95i dont get it
03:10:57Lloreanwebguest95: Then stop, and re-read, carefully
03:11:03webguest95can i get your aim adress
03:11:04Lloreanwebguest95: Especially the forum thread I gave you.
03:11:08LloreanSeveral people are talked through it there.
03:11:09LloreanAnd no.
03:11:29LloreanAs I said, if the instructions are too complicated, there's a good chance you aren't ready to do it yet.
03:11:36LloreanDO NOT RUSH THIS
03:12:13LloreanWould you rather spend 4 or 5 hours making sure you've read everything and are 100% ready, then have a working Sansa, or just try to do it as soon as you "think" you have the right idea, and then never use your Sansa again?
03:12:20LloreanBecause you keep trying for #2
03:12:36tsuyoshiso how hard is it to brick a sansa?
03:12:53Lloreantsuyoshi: In theory it's possible.
03:13:11tsuyoshiso, not easy?
03:13:24Lloreantsuyoshi: And there might be some people who've done it, but nobody's ever reported not being able to get *any* of the last-ditch modes to load, they've just been unable to recover from those modes so far.
03:13:49LloreanUsually what happens with the Sansa is that users give up on being able to fix it, because it's not an easy process after a certain point
03:14:15LloreanBut then to get that point, you have to get the install instructions wrong, then get the recovery instructions extra extra wrong, just as a start.
03:14:15webguest95do i hold the center the botton
03:14:26Lloreanwebguest95: Stop asking questions, read the whole thread.
03:14:29webguest95the whole time
03:15:26Lloreanpearldiver: Go into the WinFF folder in the command prompt, and just execute ffmpeg.exe and see what happens.
03:16:05pearldiverah yes, that above mentioned dll
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03:18:06pearldiverok, further problems
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03:18:38borisyaltsinhi, how's the sansa stuff coming? Anything new in the last week?
03:19:39Lloreanpearldiver: What kind this time?
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03:21:09Lloreanpearldiver: You can't do -pass 2 without doing -pass 1 first
03:21:17Llorean-pass 2 means you're processing the second of 2 passes
03:21:59pearldiveryes, works now
03:23:19pearldiverso to do 2nd pass, i need to open the converted file?
03:23:25pearldiveror still the original?
03:23:30Lloreanpearldiver: No clue. :)
03:24:39Lloreanpearldiver: by the way
03:25:19smablyso, would people be willing to commit FS #6939? :)
03:26:08Lloreanpearldiver: My *guess* would be the original file, though
03:26:26Lloreanpearldiver: Or you'd need to re-pick the output directory so that the file doesn't get overwritten by its newly writing self
03:26:52pearldiveri see
03:27:33LloreanAs for that page I linked, be aware that the TMPGenc output belongs in the right column, but I guess the guy was lazy.
03:27:44LloreanIt looks like 2-pass provides a significant benefit at higher bitrates at least
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03:29:48webguest95i need serious help
03:30:19webguest95ok where do i put it
03:30:39webguest95its doesnt tell me a certain place to put them
03:30:48webguest95i put it on sansa
03:30:55webguest95or command prompt
03:30:59Lloreanwebguest95: Please, just read ALL the instructions.
03:31:03Lloreanwebguest95: You need to be using Linux
03:31:06pearldiverLlorean yes you just add -pass 2 and do original/same dir encoding again
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03:31:10pearldiverim doing it now
03:31:23webguest95ok can i get back to windows vista
03:31:39Lloreanwebguest95: If you use a liveCD, yes.
03:31:51webguest95tell me the website to get linix
03:32:00Lloreanwebguest95: Read the thread, and learn to use google.
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03:37:17saratogaLlorean: sounds like you could use a beer :)
03:37:45BigMacwhat is the limit on file length for videos now?
03:37:48Lloreansaratoga: I could use a user who doesn't seem to actively WANT to destroy his files.
03:38:00LloreanBigMac: Whatever the limitation of your filesystem. :)
03:38:26BigMacLlorean: Really? I thought it was somewhere around ten minutes a week ago
03:39:01LloreanBigMac: Rebuffering was added...
03:39:22LloreanBigMac: I assumed you were asking relative to rebuffering being added, because otherwise the answer would still be "however much RAM you have free"
03:41:15Lloreanpearldiver: I suspect that at 600kbps there's not much to be gained by two-pass on the Gigabeat's screen, though it might help with high action sequences
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03:43:22saratogaanyone here good with ARM assembly ?
03:44:37tsuyoshiI'm not good but I'm somewhat familiar with it
03:45:44saratogacan you really shift the result of an arthimatic operation in one instruction on the arm7 parts?
03:46:35saratogaI.E. is (x+y)<<2 a single op ?
03:46:50tsuyoshiuhh I think so
03:46:51tsuyoshilet me check
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03:52:06tsuyoshiuhh actually it seems you can't
03:52:25tsuyoshix+(y<<2) is possible but not (x+y)<<2
03:52:52saratogaso you can only scale the inputs?
03:52:59oblibAny nano experts here? I have been trying to figure out why car adapter mode is disabled. Is the GPIO different than on the ipod video, has it just not been tested, or some other reason?
03:53:39saratogathe more i look at this whole fixed point thing, the sillier ARM seems for it
03:53:50saratogawonder why they didn't include hardware to do stuff like this
03:54:16saratogawould only take a few muxes to shift rescale the output of the alu
03:54:53Lloreanoblib: It's entirely possible it just didn't get enabled.
03:55:25oblibLlorean, do you know what else is enabled if I turn on CONFIG_CHARGING that might cause problems in the nano?
03:55:55Lloreanoblib: No clue, I suppose just test it and see if anything seems funny
03:56:10obliblike smoke coming out the top? :)
03:56:30LloreanNah, it shouldn't be able to cause hardware damage
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03:57:35oblibLlorean, yeah, I would hope not. I'm trying it right now, but I thought I would ask and see if anyone knew for sure.
04:00:26tsuyoshisaratoga: you can scale one of the inputs
04:00:32tsuyoshinot both at the same time
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04:01:08saratogai was thinking about scaling outout of operations that would shift the decimal point
04:01:48Rcholla32how to unbrick a sansa
04:02:09Rcholla32with manufaction mode
04:02:10pearldiverinteresting result
04:02:42LloreanRcholla32: And I know it's the same person who was in here before.
04:02:51LloreanRcholla32: You've already been answered several times now.
04:02:58Lloreanpearldiver: Interesting?
04:03:23pearldiverwell, video doesnt play anywhere except for vlc player (on PC)
04:03:49pearldivereverywhere else is just bunch of colorful blocks
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04:04:24pearldiver(native vlc encodes played everywhere for me)
04:04:35Lloreanpearldiver: Maybe two-pass creates some sort of semi-non-standard file as well?
04:04:59pearldiverbut the overall quality is very nice
04:05:09pearldivergoing to try it on the player now
04:05:11Lloreanpearldiver: 600kbps has pretty decent quality as it is.
04:05:19LloreanI'm watching Gladiator in it right now
04:05:25pearldiveryes it does, but now the blocking is even less
04:05:41LloreanIf 2-pass works, 400kbps might be better then.
04:05:52pearldiveryes i was just thinking about that
04:05:58LloreanThe lower the bitrate, the more consistent playback framerates will be, especially for full frame
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04:09:11pearldiverplays perfectly on the player
04:09:18pearldiverlooks nice as well
04:10:40pearldiverbad idea to disable skip frames
04:10:52pearldiverit just went into slow motion and locked the player
04:11:00LloreanThat's unusual
04:11:06Rcholla32I need help agian
04:11:07pearldiveri cant press anything
04:11:10LloreanAlso, what framerate was the file?
04:11:29LloreanRcholla32: I expect you still haven't read the whole forum thread I referred you to earlier?
04:11:33Lloreanpearldiver: 16:9 or 4:3?
04:11:54Llorean16:9 shouldn't need to skip frames very often at 29.97
04:12:00Rcholla32Oh My God
04:12:24Rcholla32who knows how to fix a broken sansa
04:12:48LloreanRcholla32: Please, stop repeating the same question over and over. You've been told how to do it, you just refuse to follow instructions
04:12:58pearldiverLlorean same thing happened to me once when i connected usb while the video was playing
04:12:59Rcholla32so in manufaction mode just the blue scrool wheel
04:13:05pearldiverit was exactly the same effect
04:13:10pearldiverslow motion and locked player
04:13:16Lloreanpearldiver: That's really weird, I've never connected USB while in Rockbox.
04:13:21Lloreanpearldiver: I *bet* it's a threading issue, though
04:13:24Rcholla32dude you look at it its pretty hard to do
04:13:35LloreanRcholla32: Yes, I KNOW it's pretty hard to do
04:13:40LloreanRcholla32: I said VERY clearly, it is not an easy process.
04:14:37pearldiverLlorean maybe because my battery is very low it did that now
04:14:57Lloreanpearldiver: If could provide a problem if the disk was trying to spin up, I suppose
04:15:36pearldivergoing to try 400kbps now
04:15:55pearldiverdoes the little windows settings in winFF overwrite the preset?
04:16:10Lloreanpearldiver: Yes
04:16:32Lloreanpearldiver: Also, I'm using r12932, which has all the syncing updates except the less aggressive frameskip, and should perform the same, but _may_ not
04:16:36pearldiverwell i restarted, enabled skip frames and it plays perfectly now
04:16:39Rcholla32Well can you look at it
04:17:14saratogai think you're trying to ask one of us to do it for you
04:17:30LloreanRcholla32: Seriously, take your time, and ask specific questions IF and ONLY IF they are not explained in the thread or the pages you were linked to.
04:17:58LloreanRcholla32: It is NOT an easy process. You have messed up your Sansa, and because you messed up your Sansa you need to do some difficult things that require careful actions to fix it.
04:19:00Lloreanpearldiver: one of the places two-pass might help a lot is animation, I suppose
04:20:25pearldivergoing to experiment with bitrates and passes now
04:21:29Rcholla32ok i downloaded the e200 tool right and what do i suppost to do with they file
04:21:39Rcholla32like where do i put it
04:21:39LloreanRcholla32: You clearly haven't read the thread carefully
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04:21:49LloreanRcholla32: Are you in Linux?
04:21:54oblibhmm, seems like enabling CONFIG_CHARGING does nothing for car adapter mode...
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04:24:39Rcholla32No my Vista frezzes when i download it
04:25:15Rcholla32is there another website to get it from that doesnt freeze vista
04:25:22LloreanRcholla32: Which one are you using?
04:25:52saratogatry google
04:26:00Rcholla32Vista Home Premium
04:26:06LloreanRcholla32: Which WEBSITE
04:26:15Rcholla32i google it
04:26:25saratogagoogle harder
04:26:29Rcholla32Download Linux
04:26:39Rcholla32is it a torrent file
04:26:55pearldiverLlorean would be nice to have some options for the yuv colorspace as well but i guess you can't have it all
04:27:41saratogais that a question or a statement?
04:27:56Rcholla32is it a torrent file
04:28:04LloreanRcholla32: Depends on which linux you're getting
04:28:13LloreanRcholla32: Which one did the thread recommend, do you remember?
04:28:18LloreanOr did you _read_ the thread?
04:28:47Lloreanpearldiver: Well, WinFF is just a program linuxst found. All the ffmpeg options are valid in that bottom box, though
04:28:50Rcholla32Which one do i want to get
04:28:59Rcholla32hold on
04:29:10LloreanRcholla32: You want to read the thread, because many people recommend one there.
04:29:31Rcholla32just one linux
04:29:35LloreanRcholla32: If you're unwilling to actually do what we say, what's the point in us telling you anything, out of curiosity?
04:29:35pearldiverLlorean ok it doesnt want to start the 2nd pass for a 400kbps file
04:29:49Rcholla32i am
04:29:54Lloreanpearldiver: Does it give an error message?
04:30:08Rcholla32they are only saying linux
04:30:15Rcholla32thats it
04:30:17pearldiverha, after 3 attempts, it started
04:30:21saratogawell this is enough for one night
04:30:22pearldiverreally weird
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04:30:37pearldiverthe error message was "can't open the file"
04:30:44LloreanRcholla32: No, they mention a specific type of linux live cd.
04:30:56Rcholla32hold on
04:30:58LloreanRcholla32: Have you read EVERY post in that thread, yet?
04:31:04LloreanRcholla32: Or are you trying to skip ahead, AGAIN
04:31:14pearldiveri tried to play it in vlc, it played fine and tried to start the 2nd pass again and it worked
04:31:28Lloreanpearldiver: Really strange, maybe just windows quirkiness?
04:31:31smablyLlorean: i admire your patience, but i think it may be time to give up and admit defeat ;)
04:31:35pearldiverwho knows
04:31:49Rcholla32no just linux
04:31:55pearldiverthe 400kbps 1st pass wasnt looking too shabby btw
04:31:57Rcholla32thats it i read it all
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04:32:33LloreanRcholla32: Then read more carefully
04:32:39Rcholla32i am now
04:32:40LloreanRcholla32: Look for the words "live cd" specifically
04:33:04LloreanRcholla32: I went and checked, it's DEFINITELY there, which means you aren't reading carefully enough yet.
04:33:24Lloreanpearldiver: Yeah, the presets file I uploaded to the wiki should have 400kbps for the Gigabeat.
04:33:38LloreanOh, shoot.
04:33:41LloreanThe most recent one is 600 isn't it.
04:33:43LloreanAh well
04:33:49pearldiverLlorean so you havent tried the newest aggressive dropping commit yet?
04:33:58Lloreanpearldiver: It's less aggressive.
04:34:02pearldiveryeah it was 600
04:34:22Lloreanpearldiver: I tried it on a 'problem' file on the Nano, and it improved playback smoothness alot without sacrificing syncing.
04:34:51LloreanOn the Gigabeat it should make Elephant's Dream 4:3 play back a lot more smoothly
04:34:53pearldiveri guess wont affect the gigabeat too much anyway
04:35:44pearldiverby smooth you mean less tearing?
04:35:58Lloreanpearldiver: I mean less frames being skipped.
04:37:09Lloreanpearldiver: It does affect the gigabeat, though mainly on >25fps 4:3 video
04:40:06pearldiverok i know what caused that slowdown and lock
04:40:14pearldiverheadphone insert
04:40:22pearldiverjust did it again
04:40:39Lloreanpearldiver: Is your build a stock build?
04:40:57pearldiveralbum art and mod support patches
04:41:06LloreanBecause it doesn't do that on mine, and neverh as
04:41:13LloreanThough again, my build is a little bit out of date
04:41:29pearldiverdo you have pause on headphones unplug?
04:42:02LloreanI didn't even know that was an option on the Gigabeat normally
04:42:05Rcholla32Found it
04:42:12pearldiverhehe there is and i use it
04:42:16pearldiverso it must be it
04:42:23Rcholla32they are using libusb
04:42:50oblibLlorean, do you know who is working on the Nano?
04:42:59Rcholla32but the last time it messed up my computer
04:43:04LloreanRcholla32: No, they're using Linux because the windows version of libusb doesn't work well
04:43:26Lloreanoblib: Most of the time, nobody is working on a specific player.
04:44:04oblibLlorean, how would I find out if anyone is working on power related stuff in the nano? Just look in flyspray?
04:44:13LloreanRcholla32: Libusb is NOT a type of linux though
04:44:20pearldiverLlorean why the skipping frames option is even there?
04:44:27Rcholla32so dont download it
04:44:32pearldiveri mean maybe it should be always default on
04:44:35LloreanRcholla32: Just read carefully, please.
04:44:42LloreanRcholla32: Read every single post, all the way through. ALL of them
04:44:49Lloreanpearldiver: It should always be on, yes.
04:44:58Lloreanpearldiver: But it's there for testing purposes.
04:45:10Lloreanpearldiver: If you want to see the maximum decode speed, you need to disable both framerate limiting and skip frames.
04:45:32pearldiveri see
04:46:01Lloreanpearldiver: That being said, I'm hoping in the future "Skip Frames" can be replaced with "Target framerate" so one can set it to say, "15fps" for the 15fps targets, and have it default to skipping frames down to that rate, and then only skip more frame if it can't play back suitably (assuming that's even possible
04:46:17pearldiverwell 400kbps 2 passes is quite watchable but you can forget about fast paced scenes nor it adds nothing to the smoothness of the video
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04:46:40LloreanThe frameskipping code did an admirable job of playing back a 59.94 FPS dvd-rip at 29.9 fps or so.
04:46:57Lloreanpearldiver: What do you mean, exactly?
04:47:13pearldiverits noticably more blocky
04:47:57LloreanTwo-pass made it *more* blocky?
04:48:06pearldiversaved about 30gb on a 20min video
04:48:18pearldiverno, 400 against 600
04:49:08LloreanWell yeah, 200 more is a *lot* more data, ratio wise.
04:49:58pearldiverdoes it bother you, you cant quite the mpegplayer while its on pause? :)
04:50:40LloreanIf I'm planning on quitting, it really doesn't matter to me that the video will keep playing briefly. :)
04:50:50LloreanBut remember, mpegplayer almost entirely lacks anything resembling polish
04:51:04LloreanFunctional issues are important, things like that are pretty much irrelevant at this point.
04:51:25pearldiveryeah but i love it in whatever state it is as long as it shows anything on the screen :)
04:53:21LloreanBut yeah, I'll try two-pass 600 compared to one-pass 600 and if it does really make enough difference, I'll probably add presets for it
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04:56:19pearldiver600 1 and passes look almost the same to me, 2 passes had more "sharpness" to it but on the player itself its barely noticable
04:56:25pearldiver1 and 2*
04:56:50pearldiverlike you said, it depends on type of the video i guess
04:57:01pearldiverfast paced scenes, animation etc
04:57:20Lloreanpearldiver: Yeah, I suspected two-pass wouldn't really be a big benefit on-target.
04:57:45Lloreanpearldiver: It's kinda a question of whether the benefit is worth the extra decode time
04:58:00LloreanErr encode time
04:58:01browca04Quick question, how often do you guys update the rockbox firmware on your mp3 players?
04:58:12browca04Like once a month or every couple of days or what?
04:58:15Lloreanbrowca04: Depends on a lot of things.
04:58:32Lloreanbrowca04: Sometimes more than once per day, but if I'm not testing anything specific, I don't update unless I see a fix that interests me
04:58:48pearldiverthe best way is to check the "major updates" page
04:58:58pearldiverand act accordingly to your needs
04:59:04LloreanMajorChanges. :)
04:59:12pearldiverim losing it :P
04:59:45pearldiverbut you got my idea
05:02:00pearldiverstill interesting why winFF encodes are not watchable anywhere else except for vlc
05:02:14pearldiver1 pass encode acted the same btw
05:03:21pearldivergoing to try the latest svn updates
05:03:37Lloreanpearldiver: What other programs are you trying them in?
05:03:48Lloreanpearldiver: All of my ffmpeg encodes have played fine in VLC and MPC.
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05:03:59pearldivermpc mainly
05:04:10pearldiverwindows media player
05:04:20LloreanMPC worked fine for all of my encodes.
05:04:26pearldiverreally? strange
05:04:45LloreanIf windows media player and MPC didn't work, it sounds like your directshow filters are having concerns.
05:04:45pearldivercolorful blocks for me
05:05:35pearldiveryes, probably
05:05:54pearldiverim surprised album art patch is still in sync
05:06:42acadI'm working on a segment for a television show focused on consumer technology slanted toward free software and can't find any free audio players that do not also support mp3. Ideally I'd like to find something for the show that does not support mp3 to begin with. Do any suggest players exist?
05:07:15pearldiverhighly doubtful
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05:07:22pearldivernot for windows at least
05:07:59acadi'm looking for a hardware audio player- not software
05:08:24pearldiveri really need coffee here :)
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05:08:30acadthat probably makes it even more doubtful i'm sure
05:08:54pearldiverwhat formats would you expect them to play?
05:09:06pearldiverif not mp3 that is
05:09:16acadpearldiver: quite honestly I don't care- but most likly candidate is ogg vorbis
05:09:47acadi can't find any ogg vorbis only audio players (hardware)
05:10:01Lloreanacad: There aren't really any hardware players that don't support MP3, because it's considered such a standard format
05:10:10pearldiverthe only candidate here, if you think about it, would be ipod (in its perfect world).
05:10:21LloreanNot supporting it basically alienates the mass market right from the start
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05:10:42acadthe closest that i've found are ones that support ogg vorbis and mp3- no drm, presumably free firmware.
05:10:58pearldiversteve wont mind to make ipod aac format only player and sell drm music all day long im sure
05:11:18acadipod would be worse than the mp3 + ogg player that is drm free and open.
05:11:19pearldiverbut, luckily, we have mp3
05:11:39Lloreanpearldiver: Steve actually claims he's anti-DRM
05:11:56acadyea- i'd like to see actions follow words
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05:12:54pearldiverLlorean thats like saying "cows claim they are against milk"
05:13:05acadthe only thing going for him at this point is the fact Apple has certain business decisions to make with pressure from the riaa and industry
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05:13:42Lloreanpearldiver: Steve Jobs has said, on paper, that if the 4 major companies ever allow it, he'll make iTunes DRM-free.
05:13:53Lloreanpearldiver: That is a PR disaster if the 4 big companies ever call him on it.
05:14:19pearldiverLlorean yeah ive seen his speech, still, i think he showed his 2-faced nature in that one
05:14:24LloreanI dunno
05:14:25tsuyoshihow does drm benefit apple?
05:14:32smablyvendor lock-in
05:14:36oblib...something about "Keep discussion Rockbox-related"...
05:15:08pearldiveroh we have audience here :P
05:15:08GuitarRob22hey, i have a couple years of coding experience, i was wondering if there was anything i could do to help.
05:15:32LloreanGuitarRob22: See the "Feature Requests" in the patch tracker, for a good list of ideas
05:15:35tsuyoshiyeah.. add usb support to the sansa
05:15:45pearldiverha ha
05:16:00oblibGuitarRob22, you could make my nano wake up and turn off on external power :)
05:16:05tsuyoshiohh actually do we have docs on the sansa usb
05:16:18GuitarRob22well, where can i find the primer?
05:16:23tsuyoshior will someone have to reverse engineer it
05:16:42Lloreantsuyoshi: I think we have documentation that we *think* is valid
05:17:06tsuyoshiis it under nda
05:17:14pearldiverok i have a better task: port rockbox to nano 2nd gen and ipod 5.5 80gb. how about that?
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05:17:34Lloreantsuyoshi: No. The information we have suggests the i.MX3 datasheets will work for us, I believe
05:18:01oblibpearldiver, nah, I don't have a 2nd gen, what good would that do ;)
05:18:33Sky9well, I have a rhapsody model of the sansa... and anything I could do to expedite the process of getting rockbox onto it would greatly motivate the development of everything else
05:18:47oblibGuitarRob22, check out the developer section in the wiki:
05:18:58tsuyoshillorean: oh where is that information? I don't see it on the wiki
05:19:04Sky9but I'm not quite sure where the development for that is at
05:19:12Lloreantsuyoshi: Dunno
05:19:22tsuyoshiok, i.mx3
05:19:26*tsuyoshi googles
05:19:26Lloreantsuyoshi: It could be in the PortalPlayer or iPod or H10 sections
05:19:29pearldiveractually i turned on my 5g ipod about 10 times total. i can't stand they way ipod sounds somehow, whatever phones used.
05:19:47pearldiverso i never ever thought about touching smaller incarnations
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05:20:49tsuyoshillorean: oh right
05:21:23*Sky9 is guitarrob22 the client i was using pooped out on me...
05:22:29oblibSky9, check out the developer section in the wiki:
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05:24:52Sky9yea, I saw that they figured out the encryption key to the R version... but the bootloader can't be uploaded. I was wondering why and what is up with that
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05:39:04oblibIs there an easy way to "printf" or display something on the screen for debug?
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06:15:46oblibCool, I got it (Nano car mode). Now to learn to submit a patch...
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06:39:56oblibHow do the developers know when I've submitted a patch against a request opened in September? Is there some way to see recent comments?
06:40:19Lloreanoblib: Generally you open a new "patch" task, and make the old request "related"
06:40:40oblibokay, I already posted on the old one, should I do a new task still?
06:41:29oblibLlorean, oh, I understand −− difference between request and patch, huh?
06:41:34LloreanGenerally, yes.
06:41:48oblibLlorean, so I should make a patch post?
06:41:52LloreanProbably a good idea
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06:42:03LloreanIt's more likely to get noticed if it's a Patch that has the related tasks link to the request
06:44:14oblibI don't see how to link it to the old request. Is there a button I'm missin?
06:45:07Lloreanoblib: Is there a "Related tasks" tab next to the Comments tab at the top of the comments area?
06:46:07oblibyes, How do I add one?
06:46:39LloreanFor me it has a field to add one when I click the tab.
06:46:45LloreanIf it doesn't for you, let me know which task it's related to
06:49:43oblibnew task is 6940
06:49:52Lloreanoblib: Done
06:53:21oblibpossibly 6128 (doesn't specify nano)
06:53:27oblibis related too
06:57:21obliband looks like 6891 is too
06:59:45oblibgnite Llorean thanks for the help
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07:24:05perldiverLlorean another error from winFF
07:24:56LloreanWhat's this one?
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07:27:39perldiverwell this is weird
07:28:03perldiveri tried to play it with vlc and it started to convert it after
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07:44:35robin0800I must say the current build page is very colourfull at present but I would not dream pf using it until it returns to a bland green
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07:46:14aliaskrobin0800: Which player do you have?
07:46:47robin0800ipod video 5g
07:47:24Lloreanrobin0800: There's nothing wrong with the 5G build.
07:47:25aliaskIt'll be fine, it's yellow because theres an unsed variable. I think slasheri left it in there accidentally.
07:47:53Lloreanaliask: The other warning is a #warning basically reminding someone to do something with that variable once they figure out how to use it properly, I think.
07:48:10aliaskYep, that's what I figured too.
07:48:50Slasheriindeed. For 5G there should be nothing wrong
07:49:32robin0800yes that is probably true why is there not a key to the colours used ie yellow warning red broken sort of?
07:49:34Slasheribut some other players crashes if the locking mechanism is enabled. And that really needs to be fixed before COP can be used
07:50:25Slasherii think yellow is fine, it's just a reminder
07:51:05robin0800well as stated I wont be installing a Current build any time soon at least green for on or two commits
07:52:13aliaskIf it makes you feel more comfortable...
07:52:26robin0800it does
07:53:10Lloreanrobin0800: Green doesn't mean "no bugs" and yellow doesn't mean "bugs"
07:53:24LloreanIn fact a build with lots of yellow could be a lot stabler and more consistent than one with all green.
07:55:14robin0800why don't you say that on that page a brief note about what the colours mean in practice?
07:55:57LloreanBecause they don't mean anything specific other than "Red means the compiler reported an error, yellow means it reported a warning"
07:55:59LloreanThat's *all* they mean
07:56:48robin0800so that may or may not mean bugs?
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07:57:54tsuyoshiyeah it would be nice if the page said what the colors were
07:58:00LloreanRed usually means that part of the build will be missing. This could mean a plugin, it could mean rombox for the archoses, or it could mean the main program
07:58:06Lloreantsuyoshi: I just explained what they were.
07:58:08tsuyoshiI figured it out after a while but it isn't immediately obvious
07:58:35LloreanIt's not like they're really of much use to anyone who can't read the log and figure out what they are anyway
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08:18:27DerPapstgood morning
08:21:03DerPapsti've played around with the sim a bit (iPod Video selfcompiled) and it claims that it can't find the .rockbox directory. Is it because of the change that the rockbox.* file has moved into the /.rockbox dir?
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08:21:27LloreanDerPapst: Did you do a "make install" for it?
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08:21:50DerPapsterrmm... no :-P
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08:29:21DerPapstLlorean: Thanks. at least it's not complaining anymore. :)
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09:31:01sslashesany mentors/coredevs around who are involved in SoC?
09:31:21sslashes<−− Rob Frawley
09:31:27sslashesinterested in WPS redo
09:31:28LinusNhi rob
09:31:47sslashesjust thought i'd stop by and see what the general thought were on my app
09:32:33sslashesand about the idea itself
09:33:06LinusNhave you seen the public comments?
09:33:40LinusNoh wait, it seems i haven't seen your last comment
09:33:53sslashesit is very new =)
09:35:40*petur likes the idea of keeping theme fonts, backdrops and wps with the theme itself
09:36:16LinusNme too
09:38:14sslashesthe idea for drawing conigurations is very different from the current system - any thoughts on the aceptance of a new system - or (as the last line of my comment stated) would people prefer simply an enhanced WPS system (built on the current one)
09:38:17LinusNsslashes: how do you mean by the playing.dr file overriding the "screen estate" of global.dr?
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09:38:49LinusNwould global.dr be drawed first and then playing.dr on top?
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09:40:23sslasheskind of
09:42:02sslashesi imagine the parser parsing global.dr and then one of the specific files (such as playing.dr, depending on the current UI location) and combining where nessisary, so, since the playing.dr file specifies it starts at veritcal pixel 21, anything below that in the global.dr file would be disgarded
09:42:24sslashesthis would generate an intermedian drawing file which would then be actually "drawn" on-screen
09:43:23LinusNsounds a little too complicated to me
09:44:05sslashesheh - of course the system could drop global completely and just rely on the playing, browsing, and setting files
09:44:38LinusNi think as much as possible should be pre-baked by the theme author, perhaps with a theme "compiler" or something
09:44:58sslashesmy main reason for the global file is because in most themes (and, for that matter, other players) there is a standardized "top" section
09:45:16sslashesthat might actually be a very good idea
09:45:23LinusNi think the status bar could have its own file
09:45:59*XavierGr appears with a box from USA :D
09:46:07LinusNXavierGr: a bomb?
09:46:22sslashesprobobly baked goods
09:46:38*LinusN got a box yesterday, with pondlife's h340
09:47:23XavierGrwhat does it have? (pondfile's H340) is it broken? :\
09:47:29LinusNbroken uda1380
09:47:55LinusNwill attempt surgery today
09:48:07sslashesit might also be a good idea (if the project is accepted) to hold a developer session where everyone can comment on the pros/cons of different ideas and a functional system can be decided on
09:48:08XavierGrmy box has an F40 that toffe sent me :)
09:48:36LinusNXavierGr: nice
09:48:39sslashesi am less interested with the "why" and more with the "how" - that is, the implementation (i also REALLY want to customize the browsing screen)
09:48:45XavierGrwow that thing looks brand new...
09:49:02LinusNsslashes: i think we all agree on the "why"
09:49:12Lloreansslashes: I'm worried that since we already have poor browser performance, customization of it would add additional overhead just making "using" it less pleasant.
09:49:42sslashesLlorean: what do you think of LinusN's idea to have a theme "compiler"
09:50:01*scorche wonders if having no public comments is a good thing, or bad
09:50:04Lloreansslashes: A theme compiler on its own doesn't necessarily offer a solution to this problem.
09:50:34Lloreanscorche: Clearly it means you're being whispered about behind your back. :-P
09:50:40scorchefor shame!
09:51:02sslashesthe current performance problems - are they accross all players?
09:51:21Lloreansslashes: Not all, they're most significant in certain targets (anything portalplayer based)
09:51:52LloreanWith the idea of compiled themes, there are some significant disadvantages.
09:52:21LloreanAlthough they're disadvantages to certain subgroups, so I don't know if they matter _too_ much
09:52:21sslashesis the decoding engine and the drawing engine still running on the same thread - or was some thread implementation done at some point?
09:52:46LinusNscorche: in your case it isn't necessarily bad
09:52:54Lloreansslashes: Even without playback the UI can be sluggish.
09:52:55XavierGrplease someone tell me that the F40 has usb charging :\
09:53:00LloreanXavierGr: It does
09:53:10XavierGrI don't have a US-EU adapter converter
09:53:22LinusNisn't the browser performance due to unnecessary redraws?
09:53:22*scorche glances hard at the "necessarily"
09:53:44LloreanLinusN: That's one of the biggest problems, I think
09:53:57XavierGrlol it has a tiny switch on the bottom that cuts off the battery! I wonder why
09:53:58LloreanLinusN: My point is just that any new system needs to strive to perform better than the current one.
09:54:03LinusNoh yes
09:54:12LloreanI'd rather have performance than pretty.
09:54:26LloreanEspecially since performance isn't up to the "good" point on some players, yet. :)
09:54:34XavierGrnice toffe already installed rockbox on it :D
09:54:59LloreanAnother thing, is that if it is the "compiled" route, it should be a reversible process. Our WPS designers learn a lot from existing ones.
09:55:15LinusNLlorean: good point
09:55:47LinusNXavierGr: the OF on the gigabeat is horrible
09:56:00XavierGrLinusN: I can imagine that.
09:56:16XavierGrLinus: But I have to say that with rockbox any kind of firmware looks horrible
09:56:18LloreanAnd it needs to be interchangeable enough. A user should still have the current flexibility to pick a WPS, Backdrop, and Font (or in this case, WPS, Menu layout, Backdrop, and Menu and WPS fonts or whatnot)
09:56:52LloreanCurrently I can pick a text only WPS, with a backdrop of my choice, use nearly any font I like, and have a backdropless menu, even if I don't have a defined "theme" for that
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09:57:39*sslashes takes a look at some source =P
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09:58:09LloreanBasically, I'd like to not "lose" anything
09:58:28LloreanI'm all for more flexibility in some areas, but I have some things about the current system I'm quite fond of. :)
09:58:30markunXavierGr: some are more horrible, trust us :)
09:58:52XavierGrgod damn! this screen in sweet! :D
09:58:57sslashesLlorean: understandable
09:58:58XavierGrcrystal clear
10:00:37scorcheaye...i used the OF on the Gigabeat S before i passed it on to aliask...truly horrible...
10:00:53markunscorche: well, the Gigabeat S is completely different
10:00:57scorchemaybe not archos-horrible, but horrible nonetheless
10:01:23scorchemarkun: i was adding tot he blanket statement of many OFs being horrible =P
10:01:32markunok :)
10:01:34Lloreansslashes: Also, be aware that arbitrary text positioning is probably going to conflict with how lines are scrolled when they're oversize, so that's something that may need addressed. Don't know how much of a problem it will turn into.
10:02:25markunLinusN: how does the ipod 5(.5)g screen compare to the one of the Gigabeat? Similar?
10:02:32sslashesya - i figure some of the routines (like scrolling) might need some editing anyway though
10:02:43LinusNthe ipod 5g screen is awesome imho
10:02:49peturwouldn't it be better to change wps/ui changes _after_ we get viewports?
10:02:56LinusNpetur: indeed
10:03:02pondlifeLinusN: Lots of pixels to update though
10:03:02aliaskscorche: And I'm currently stuck with it. I use my ipod mini with no screen and 2 hour battery life more than the gigabeat S
10:03:15XavierGrmarkun: what's the battery capacity of an F40?
10:03:17LinusNpondlife: yup
10:03:37scorchealiask: i can see why you wouldnt use it, but arent you working on the port?
10:04:08markunXavierGr: we thought 830, but that is for the Gigabeat X and the F might have a slightly different batter
10:04:20pondlifesslashes: Are you thinking of JIT compilation?
10:04:24sslashesLinusN: what is the current state of viewports
10:04:33LinusNsslashes: dormant :-)
10:04:39markunsslashes: they are in amiconn's head
10:04:44aliaskscorche: Yes and no. I've pretty much hit a wall, and I need a hdd adapter to see anything further. I could use an iPod 5g, but noone I know with one will let me open it up, or I could buy an adapter from overseas (only sold in europe) for over $70AU
10:04:45scorchesslashes: unimplemented and hiding in amiconn's head
10:04:57scorchebah...beaten on both remarks!
10:05:03Slasherisslashes: argh, your nick is causing a hilight flood on my irssi :)
10:05:28*pondlife renames himself islasher
10:05:38*XavierGr goes to download latest gigabeat build and load a video on that thing...
10:05:43sslashespondlife: perhaps - that might be an interesting idea to persue
10:05:52sslashesSlasheri: heh - i try (sometimes)
10:06:37pondlifeI think the text-based system has great advantages in being easy to understand. Look at how many non-devs can happily produce (or modify) WPSs.
10:06:49pondlifeThat's got to be a good thing to preserve.
10:06:57markunI made some changes to the YUV2RGB conversion (only for the Gigabeat for now). Does anyone want to try them and comment on the difference?
10:07:25sslashesthere is no reason pixel positioning could be implemented while allowing "carrage returns" of a specifc pixel size
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10:07:49pondlifeThat specific pixel size being the current font height?
10:08:19markunLlorean: you maybe?
10:08:36Lloreanmarkun: Sure
10:08:38pondlifesslashes: Where are your comments? Earlier in IRC?
10:08:54LloreanI've got a wide range of test files on my Gigabeat right now.
10:08:55sslashesyes, and on the google soc website
10:08:56markunLlorean: ok, let me make a patch
10:09:03Lloreanmarkun: What would I be looking for?
10:09:17GodEater_Llorean: not that it will make the slightest bit of difference, but can we change the posting guidelines to make complaining about iPod runtimes illegal ? :)
10:09:27markunLlorean: improved colours/contrast
10:09:44Lloreanmarkun: Alright, I know which video to test with then. :)
10:09:57LloreanGodEater_: Technically it is.
10:10:07LloreanAt least, I believe it's covered in the FAQ
10:10:19pondlifeSOC website? Is that only visible to mentors/students?
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10:10:31Lloreanpondlife: Aye
10:10:35GodEater_Llorean: then can we get the death penalty on it instead ? :)
10:10:57XavierGryay for standards! I have 5 rockbox targets and all of them have the same USB calbe! :D
10:11:05pondlifeMight be good to use more...
10:13:09Lloreanmarkun: Compiling.
10:13:30markunLlorean: I don't know if you can easily compare the two versions
10:13:40markunmaybe toffe can do it with 2 Gigabeats :)
10:14:14Lloreanmarkun: If the difference is noticeable, I think I'll see it with a certain few of my files. If it's *not* noticeable, then it'll either be placebo effect, or no change, either of which is also fine. :)
10:14:45markunLlorean: yes, it's noticeable.
10:14:56sslashesperhaps viewport could be added into my project (i see it is a possible project for soc on the wiki)
10:15:10Lloreansslashes: I think viewports would be relevant to your goal, yes.
10:15:12peturLinusN: re devcon: would landing at 21:45 be too late?
10:15:35sslasheswhen is amiconn normally around these parts?
10:15:36pondlifesslashes: Viewport is a more general thing, it should be treated as seperate development, but you may wish to do it as a pre-requisite.
10:15:51pondlifei.e. Viewports are not just for the WPS
10:16:05markunLlorean: the problem was that JPEG uses a different representation of YUV than MPEG (and everything else which uses the standard)
10:16:13Lloreanmarkun: Odd.
10:16:22markunand we just copied the JPEG conversion
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10:16:29Lloreanpondlife: His conception of themes is not just for the WPS
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10:16:42pondlifeLlorean: Cool!
10:16:48markunLlorean: well, I think the non-standard JPEG one is better in fact :)
10:17:49sslashesok - thanks for all the commetns - i'll stop by again soon and try and talk to amiconn about viewports - time for me to sleep
10:17:58markunsslashes: good night
10:19:12Lloreanmarkun: It loos good
10:19:30markun(I think so)
10:19:32LloreanYeah, at least in my opinion
10:19:51LloreanIt looked a little undersaturated before, to me.
10:19:58markunyes, it was
10:20:32LloreanI had thought it was just the screen, I didn't realize it was something that could be fixed in code or I would've mentioned it. :)
10:21:15markunLlorean: the Y component had a offset of 16 which made black look like dark-gray
10:21:50XavierGrI just love this DAP! Video is awesome on that screen!
10:22:03XavierGrI must thank toffe, I owe him a great deal
10:22:14LloreanXavierGr: Try Markun's patch, it'll look even better. ;)
10:22:15markunand because the Y component has a range of 220 and the C components (U and V) of 225 we needed to scale them to get the full range
10:22:27XavierGrand markun thanks for advising me to get advice from him (toffe) :P
10:22:35markunXavierGr: no problem :)
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10:23:00markunLlorean: the conversion is wrong on all targets btw..
10:23:51markunAnd linuxstb and I were thinking about using 2 lookup tables to hopefully speed up the conversion
10:24:21TheSphinX^good morning at all
10:24:27markunTheSphinX^: morning
10:24:52XavierGrdamn it I have to leave... :( I will play with my gigabeat later
10:25:09Lloreanmarkun: So this fix should be made to all color targets?
10:25:49LloreanIf a lookup table will speed it up, then I'm definitely for it.
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10:42:32markunLlorean: hm, I'm not so sure about all my changes anymore :)
10:43:04markunbut at least the image should look the same now as if you are looking at a JPEG of the same frame
10:43:55Lloreanmarkun: What do you think isn't quite right?
10:46:34markunLlorean: it's just that when I calculate the max values for R, G and B they are 1.7, 1.5 and 1.8 (on a scale of 0 to 1) so you would think there would be a lot of clipping
10:48:07LloreanHm, I imagine there would
10:50:09Lloreanmarkun: What would clipping like that look like?
10:50:28markunLlorean: large white areas when it gets too bright
10:50:58LloreanSo, loss of detail when things would normally be "near" full red, blue, green, or a mix?
10:52:37markunI think I'm just confusing myself too much by staring at the formulas :)
10:52:48markunIt looks better now
10:53:36LloreanIf it starts looking strange, it can be fixed.
10:53:40markunand nobody complained that the jpeg viewer didn't look right before
10:54:44markunLlorean: we are not the only ones getting confused:
10:55:51markunI determined (also after looking at the ffmpeg source) that the first formula is the right one for us after all
10:57:27LloreanIs that the one we had before the patch I'm trying out?
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10:58:43k0rnzdoes rockbox run stable on 5th generation Ipod 30gb?
10:59:20Lloreank0rnz: It doesn't crash, or at least not unless you manage to find a new bug.
10:59:35LloreanBut the battery life is somewhat poor, and the user interface is slow on the 5G.
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11:01:54k0rnzLlorean, thanky for that info
11:02:28k0rnzI hope they get rockbox to work on iPhone
11:02:36k0rnzthat would be too cool
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11:03:01TheSphinX^if you write a touchpad driver
11:03:26LloreanI think there's not much interest in moving Rockbox to phones or PDAs.
11:03:34LloreanIt's not really designed for that. At all.
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11:05:00jhMikeSif anyone's curious on the correct conversion for YCrCb video, see the assembly sources for x5 and H300. read the comments above lcd_write_yuv420_lines.
11:08:15SoapjhMikeS: the iPod deal fell through last week.
11:08:31jhMikeSSoap: :(
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11:08:41SoapLlorean: quite calm with xxWhatsHisNamexx on the forums.
11:09:18SoapjhMikeS: I scrape the bottom of craigslist on a weeky basis lowballing around a dozen people. I'll hopefully get another hit soon enough.
11:09:20*jhMikeS feels some 3G will find it's way to him somehow, someway
11:09:58SoapI have 2nd generation Nanos coming out the yin-yang.
11:10:11jhMikeSin stock?
11:10:22Soapyea me a price or something. it's about bed time and I'm falling over tired.
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11:10:55OverandMy friend has a pair of minis, one 1g, one 2g, he'd probably be willing to part with those esp. if there was something vaguely similar in exchange
11:11:00markunjhMikeS: ok, I'll have a look
11:11:04Soappm me your email again?
11:11:14Overandbut i don't know if anyone needs them
11:12:38Lynx_how good should mpegplayer work on the H300? The example elephants dream video plays at slideshow speed, with sound completely out of sync...
11:12:53markunjhMikeS: I think you don't take into account that the YCC values from the MPEG decoder are not in the 0-255 range (like with JPEG)
11:13:16markunthe values you used apply to a range of 0 to 1, right?
11:14:43markunbut the Y we get from the mpeg encoder has a range of 16-235 and the C components 16-239
11:14:48markunmpeg decoder even
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11:15:57markunjhMikeS: also useful
11:17:12jhMikeSmarkun: yes, it does
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11:18:23jhMikeSthe addition, subtraction and matrix scaling accounts for the normalized values
11:19:00markunah, ok
11:19:00LinusNpondlife: good news: your beloved friend just woke up after surgery, and he's just fine :-)
11:19:29LinusNpetur: 21:45 on friday?
11:19:52Lynx_what should the bitrate be when i transcode video with mencoder? also around 600?
11:20:01SoapOverand: I'm always interested in second generation Minis.
11:20:25jhMikeSin fact, it's to the letter on the CCIR 601 standard for YCrCb video (which _is_ YUV with the MPEG ranges)
11:20:30markunjhMikeS: can you comment on my changes then?
11:20:35Soap(but it's not like I need another iPod in this house) ;)
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11:21:01LloreanLynx_: 600 is quite high for the H300
11:21:12LloreanWas that what player you said you had?
11:21:44Lynx_Llorean: i just also tried with 100, and still get only 1 fps. i remember watching fluent videos with very early versions of mpegplayer
11:21:48Lynx_Llorean: a h300
11:22:03markunjhMikeS: the normalisation is done by changing the factors, I could change the comments to make that a bit clearer
11:22:14LloreanLynx_: The best the H300 ever got fullscreen was _maybe_ 15fps
11:22:39LloreanAnd that's under exceedingly ideal situations, without sound.
11:22:45Lynx_Llorean: hmm, ok. What I remember was without sound, too.
11:23:08LloreanYou should be encoding at 10fps
11:23:12Lynx_Llorean: But still I'm far below even 15 fps, and wondering what I'm doing wrong...
11:23:14firenxrockbox r0x0rs my b0x0rs
11:23:19LloreanLynx_: What is the file encoded at?
11:23:51LloreanLynx_: Turn off frameskip, turn off framerate limiting, and turn on the FPS display, and see what it says it's decoding at like that.
11:24:03Lynx_Llorean: 224x128, sound 128, 100 bitrate
11:24:13LloreanLynx_: What framerate?
11:24:19LloreanLynx_: What framerate is the file, rather?
11:24:20jhMikeSthe Cb, Cr should be scaled down by 224/256
11:24:47Lynx_Llorean: damn, i forgot to change the framerate down from 25, i guess that's too high
11:24:57markunjhMikeS: not 224/255?
11:25:14LloreanLynx_: Yes, that's far too high. What does rockbox decode at if you set the options as I described?
11:25:18markunand Y by 219/255?
11:26:27jhMikeSit's num levels/old num levels, for the proportion, no?
11:27:05pondlifeLinusN: !!!!!
11:27:08markunwell, the num levels for Cb and Cr is 225
11:27:13pondlifeMany many thanks
11:27:24LinusNlunch time
11:27:30pondlifeYou earnt it
11:28:32Lynx_Llorean: about 9 fps for the elephants dream full screen version
11:28:57jhMikeSmarkun: right...super tired here
11:29:19markunI was falling asleep as well when I worked on it last night
11:29:32LloreanLynx_: Then you can expect some frame skipping even with it encoded at 10fps, though I think the elephant's dream videos are encoded at a high bitrate
11:30:00Lynx_Llorean: ok, i'll play with the parameters some more
11:30:25*Soap wonders if the "slow" video-playing targets should use CBR for consistantcy, or if that wouldn't accomplish anything.
11:30:27LloreanLynx_: What OS are you on?
11:30:32Lynx_Llorean: win
11:30:48LloreanLynx_: Try the WinFF presets for H300 on the PluginMpegplayer page and let me know how they go
11:31:04Lynx_Llorean: k
11:31:28LloreanSoap: Right now all of the WinFF presets I've set up use a target bitrate instead of a quantization level
11:31:33jhMikeSThis matrix works for the scale on the devices (original one used before the emac version):
11:31:34jhMikeS74 0 101
11:31:34jhMikeS74 -24 -51
11:31:34DBUGEnqueued KICK jhMikeS
11:31:34jhMikeS74 128 0
11:32:13Lynx_Llorean: hmm, after setting 15 fps, 400 kbit/sec there is not picture at all anymore (mencoder)
11:32:21SoapLlorean: I was thinking more about elephant's dream, which is highly VBR.
11:32:35LloreanLynx_: mencoder may not encode video at 15fps, it's not strictly speaking "legal" so you may have to figure out how to override it
11:32:37Soap(well the "wiki" encodes)
11:32:42Soapneither here nor there.
11:33:11LloreanSoap: Ah, well I think for those it doesn't matter. All we need to know is, when launched on target with the settings already set right, what does it say the FPS is at the end of the file. :)
11:33:33peturLinusN: 21:45 on friday, yes
11:33:38firenxhmm my backlight wont turn off its only set for 10 seconds..
11:33:46Soaptrue, with rebuffering now the FPS can actually me measured at the end of the file on all targets./
11:33:52CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
11:33:52*jhMikeS is thinking maybe an asm lcd_write_yuv420_lines is in order to sharpen his ARM skills
11:33:59LloreanSoap: Well, right now there's a minor bug
11:34:16LloreanWhen you reach the end of the file, it keeps playing what's in the buffer from the last rebuffer.
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11:34:31LloreanSo you get an endless loop of the last X minutes of your video, until you manually hit stop
11:34:41SoapI noticed that, but didn't investigate enough to submit a bug report yet.
11:34:49LloreanLinuxstb is quite aware of it
11:34:57linuxstbThat doesn't happen on all files though - I think it's when there isn't an end-of-stream packet in the file.
11:35:13Lloreanlinuxstb: Ah, I just know it happens on all of the files I've made. :)
11:35:27linuxstbElephants Dream stops fine for me...
11:35:45LloreanI hadn't tried that since rebuffering
11:36:13linuxstbafaik, mencoder doesn't need special options to encode at 15fps - it just does it.
11:36:53linuxstbSoap: Regarding benchmarking, the number of frames dropped in order to maintain a/v sync is a useful measure as well.
11:37:04linuxstb(that's the second number in the fps display line)
11:37:15Lloreanlinuxstb: Well, for Lynx_, he's apparently just getting a video stream it sounds like.
11:38:06Lynx_lunch, bbl
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11:40:52jhMikeSwe can do parallel dma transfers on gigabeat...convert data while dma is going it appears
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11:41:53linuxstbjhMikeS: Which DMA? The dma from FRAME to the LCD hardware?
11:42:36jhMikeSsure, do a few lines, start a transfer, and do some more while it's going
11:43:04linuxstbI didn't think we could start the transfers manually - I thought they happened automatically 25 times a second?
11:43:53jhMikeSon gigabeat in lcd_update_rect it appear to be started manually and then just waited for
11:44:08linuxstbYes, that's the DMA from lcd_framebuffer to FRAME.
11:44:18linuxstbThe LCD hardware then transfers from FRAME to the LCD hardware.
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11:44:40linuxstbThe lcd_yuv_blit just writes directly into FRAME afaik.
11:45:29LloreanDoes that mean there are only 25 frames per second actually drawn to the LCD?
11:45:39linuxstbLlorean: That's what markun has told me, yes.
11:45:48peturhahaha on topic for devcon: for those in the US attending devcon ;)
11:46:14Lloreanlinuxstb: Alright, I had wondered about something. Would that explain the strange diagonal tearing every now and then?
11:46:20LloreanA change in FRAME during an update?
11:46:36pondlifepetur: lol
11:46:39jhMikeSwell, we could just have it write to frame at the same time we convert to memory since writing to mem should be faster, right?
11:46:59linuxstbLlorean: Probably. Although I get a similar effect on my ipod.
11:47:49linuxstbjhMikeS: I'm not sure what you mean - the lcd_yuv_blit writes directly to FRAME now.
11:48:05jhMikeSbut frame is on the LCD bus or not?
11:48:11linuxstbNo, FRAME is just SDRAM.
11:48:38linuxstbIt's location is written to some registers in the LCD controller, and the LCD controller blits it to the LCD hardware.
11:48:51jhMikeSso what's with the dma blit stuff?
11:48:51linuxstb(at 25Hz)
11:48:58linuxstbThat's just a copy from RAM to RAM
11:49:14linuxstbThere are two framebuffers - the normall lcd_framebuffer[] and FRAME[].
11:49:35linuxstbThe lcd_update() calls copy from lcd_framebuffer to FRAME using DMA.
11:49:40LloreanDoes it seem possible we'll have a way around the 25hz limit in the future, or is it outside of things we have the potential power to change?
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11:50:33markunjhMikeS, Llorean, linuxstb: I updated the comments and recalculated the values:
11:50:39jhMikeSso we need the lcd_framebuffer because FRAME would constantly be moved to the lcd?
11:51:10TheSphinX^is there anyone who knows details on the iax5 RTC driver?
11:51:50jhMikeSnoone knows a way to block the updates to sync them or is it known to be impossible?
11:52:09bluebrotherpetur: ROTFL
11:52:16markunjhMikeS, linuxstb: when you turn off the LCD updating the screen slowly fades to white, so I guess we can't just do it at lcd_update
11:52:30linuxstbjhMikeS: markun will correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think we have docs on the lcd controller - the current driver is reverse-engineered.
11:52:53markunlinuxstb: yes, you are right
11:53:29markunI think the problem is that unlike the other LCD modules, the one in the Gigabeat doesn't have a internal framebuffer
11:53:49markun(the others do you have one, right?)
11:54:20jhMikeSI wonder if the OF requires a separate buffer to work then. Wish I had a nice disassemler. I'm always looking for an edge to kill unneeded ops
11:54:32BigBambipetur: The Google Maps route from New York to London has you swimming to Le Havre, then getting the tunnel back to the UK!
11:54:35markunjhMikeS: yes, it does
11:55:05linuxstbmarkun: Didn't the Toshiba firmware have debugging symbols still in it?
11:55:14bluebrotherLlorean: you said the RB bootloader can load IPL? How?
11:55:19markunwell, the linux kernel modules do
11:55:22bluebrotheror is there some documentation somewhere?
11:55:41Lloreanbluebrother: It's not very documented
11:55:52Lloreanbluebrother: Create an ext2 partition, put the iPod Linux filesystem on it
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11:56:02linuxstbbluebrother: It's not documented at all... But hold PLAY and it will load a linux.bin file from the root of the FAT32 partition.
11:56:06Lloreanbluebrother: And copy the binary to linux.bin (it may be linux.ipod now) on the fat32 partiton
11:56:08markunlinuxstb: do you think we should use the frame start interrupt from the LCD controller to sync our updating?
11:56:14Lloreanbluebrother: Then hold Play while booting
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11:56:51Lloreanlinuxstb: For the Gigabeat then, might it be better to encode videos at 25fps, and allow the encoder to deal with framerate mismatch instead of the screen updates?
11:57:12linuxstbLlorean: There's one way to find out...
11:57:26Lloreanlinuxstb: Well, since you didn't say "No, that's a pretty stupid idea" I'll give it a shot. :)
11:57:37linuxstbBut I doubt the difference would be that noticable, so it's simpler to just keep the source framerate.
11:57:58linuxstbe.g. the ED video is 24fps, and looks very smooth to me.
11:58:20markunyes, my 24fps futurama episodes also look ok
11:58:31markunnot perfect
11:58:55LloreanYes, my TV shows look good.
11:59:26LloreanMy rip of gladiator has a little bit of an awkward jerky feel to it though, and I'm not sure yet what's causing it.i
11:59:33linuxstbbluebrother: Also, depending on which way the wind is blowing, rolo may load an IPL kernel which you've converted to ".ipod" format with tools/scramble -add=ipvd (replace ipvd with your ipod model)
12:02:29jhMikeS(y-16)*74 >> 9, and the like is easier than all that's going on there right now. that jpeg.c code isn't really speed oriented. the coldfire ones also save the chroma calcs for two full lines and just reload from a small mem buffer.
12:03:09Lloreanlinuxstb: Nah, no improvement by encoding at 25. If anything, it's worse.
12:04:16markunjhMikeS: interested in working on the gigabeat lcd driver?
12:04:26linuxstbjhMikeS: Are you interested in looking at the Coldfire optimisations to mpegplayer in flyspray and committing them? The IDCT patch, plus using IRAM (although the IRAM one doesn't work any more due to libmad needing IRAM as well).
12:05:03jhMikeSmarkun: I don't think I'll be able to resist it...the x5 one got me "in" in the first place
12:05:25markunjhMikeS: shall I commit my stuff until you replace it with yours?
12:05:33markunthe lack of the -16 was wrong anyway
12:05:33scorchepetur: it is friday...where is our BOFH?
12:05:53jhMikeSsure...I've got the ARM assembly itch there wherever it would help
12:06:03peturscorche: indeed, I'm also waiting for it ;)
12:06:03markunok, great
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12:07:16jhMikeSthe flip, invert and contrast are a bit on the outside atm. does the OF set contrast or anything?
12:07:51bluebrotherLlorean, linuxstb: thanks. Wasn't aware of that :)
12:08:08Lloreanbluebrother: It's entirely possible that there's less than 10 people who've ever actually used it for that
12:08:15LloreanI'm almost positive I was the first to do it on a Nano. :)
12:08:28*jhMikeS wonders if it's dangerous to poke at the controller at random
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12:08:34bluebrotherhmm, then I maybe should do it only to add to this number ;-)
12:09:36bluebrotherfeature requests ... feature requests ... feature requests
12:09:46bluebrotherover 500 currently :(
12:10:19markunjhMikeS: no, but the OF is hardly a good showcase of what the hardware is capable of
12:11:11jhMikeShow do we know what it's capable of? it there any OF for any device that uses it fully? maybe that should REd if do.
12:11:12bluebrotheris it only me who thinks requests "please support X as its present" are kinda useless if it's simply something that hasn't been implemented yet?
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12:12:46markunjhMikeS: I'm not sure what you are saying, but for example the LED controller for the backlight can change the brightness in 64 steps. Only 2 of them are used in the OF.
12:13:10markun(3 if you count backlight off)
12:13:52jhMikeSI was just thinking there some other devices that were marketed that used that lcd and used the controller more thoroughly or something.
12:14:25jhMikeSperhaps not even a DAP
12:14:51markunjhMikeS: I was not refering to OFs in general, just to the Gigabeat one.
12:15:15Lloreanbluebrother: Feature requests for "Please finish (incomplete thing)" are safe to close, I think
12:15:26LloreanWith "Invalid" in my mind. "Hurry up" isn't a feature. too...but some other device that shares that hardware and has OF that could tell us more about it maybe
12:15:43peturaliask: did you really intend to give an 8 to that GSOC application?
12:16:09Lloreanpetur: I suspected a double click.
12:16:17LloreanLike my accidental double comment.
12:16:24peturme too, that's why I asked
12:16:24LloreanIt told me it didn't complete, and I trusted it.
12:17:32jhMikeSwould be funny if the chip were actually documented somewhere under some other part number. I wonder if I could happen across something that rings a bell.
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12:18:01markunjhMikeS: I believe the Gigabeat S uses the same LCD module as the X, the F and X use the same LCD kernel module, so they should have the same controller chip.
12:19:17jhMikeStoshiba has lcd chips that are documented?
12:19:18markunjhMikeS: These bytes are written to the LCD module during LCD init, maybe it can help us to identify the controller?
12:19:56jhMikeSthat's the order they're written?
12:20:12markunwait, I'll give you the actual disassembly
12:21:07markunlook for spiSend
12:23:23jhMikeSwe'll it's clear that the first byte is a register and the second a value anyway...or something like that :P
12:24:29jhMikeSor maybe a high and low...oy I'll give a better look after sleep
12:25:02markunjhMikeS: here are some LCD drivers from Toshiba (didn't look at them yet)
12:26:30jhMikeSyeah, I think I'll see later if any sequences in the datasheets match up to that stuff
12:29:52jhMikeSat the very least they have to have enough outs to drive that screen :)
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12:38:11LinusNpetur: 21:45 is not too late, is it arlanda?
12:38:58jhMikeSmarkun: only one chip in the glass or several?
12:41:41aliaskpetur: Which application? I thought 4 was the max anyway...
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12:42:25scorchealiask: from what i hear, you can press any of the rating amounts as many times as wanted
12:43:14leftrighter, shouldn't the date on the Devcon page be 2007 and not 2006, we are in 2007 right ?
12:43:29linuxstbLinusN: You should find Elephants Dream on the gigabeat a lot smoother today - it was a bug in mpegplayer making it drop a lot more frames than it needed to.
12:43:33LinusNleftright: where does it say 2006?
12:44:00Lloreanaliask: It's cumulative, you can do +4 and +4 and you get +8. Or +1 and +2 if you need 3 for some reason.
12:44:01LinusNlinuxstb: yes, i have just built a new gigabeat binary, will try soon
12:44:06leftright or is that last years page
12:44:18LinusNleftright: that's last year's page
12:44:20scorcheleftright: see the topic
12:44:39leftrightahah, thats last years page, hehe, i had better wake up soon
12:44:46aliaskAh, finally found which application it was... I guess I'll demote the points
12:45:34leftrightsorry for the false alarm,
12:46:49*jhMikeS would also like to know what the marking were that toffe found...never know when luck might strike
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12:47:42pondlifeHmm, manual gurus: is this the wrong screenshot:
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12:49:09aliaskpondlife: Not wrong, just old (talking about 5.1?)
12:49:47pondlifeHmm, I'd never thought of the "settings menu" as being the "main menu"
12:50:09aliaskOh. Heh didn't even see that...
12:50:25aliaskNo wait, it is just old
12:50:39aliaskPre "root menu"/main menu
12:50:46pondlifeYep. Old, but confusing.
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12:51:20markunjhMikeS: only one
12:51:20pondlifeProbably best to wait for the settings to be rearranged before updating. I heard plans to scrap General Settings at least.
12:52:05markunLinusN: did you make the build after my update to the LCD driver?
12:52:33LinusNno, before
12:56:09jhMikeSmarkun: don't recall the marking or have them? I'm curious anyway.
12:57:22LinusNpondlife: ah, nice, The Rutles!
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12:58:31pondlifeLinusN: For comedy, I quite like Cassetteboy - The Parker Tapes
12:58:54LinusNnever heard of
12:59:25pondlifeSeek and ye shall find. It's not subtle, and maybe a bit anglo-centric.
13:00:25pondlifeA good album for Rockbox testing too.. 99 short tracks
13:00:42pondlifeSoon shows up the problems where we have 32 buffered tracks.
13:01:05pondlifeTrack 5 is a classic
13:02:04pondlifealiask: You heard it too?
13:02:15aliaskNo, I was just smiling because everyone else was :)
13:03:02pondlifeSeriously, after a few hundred listens, just thinking about that Cassetteboy album makes me lol..
13:03:17pondlifeI think I may have suffered some kind of UDA damage in my brain
13:03:25aliaskI might have to look it up, sounds good.
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13:03:36pondlifeMaybe not good... amusing though
13:03:41pondlifeBad but amusing
13:04:08LinusNpoor jamie oliver :-)
13:04:10pondlifeThey did some other stuff that was bad and not even amusing
13:05:11pondlife"I'm pretty damn simple. " "I'm a little bit wet"
13:05:21LinusNmaybe it was cassetteboy that made the poor uda1380 blow up
13:06:27pondlifeI still wonder about my electrics and/or charger.
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13:11:03pondlifelol "Since when have I worn woolies?"
13:12:35preglowwhat format are ipod video files? mpeg4 + aac?
13:13:10Lloreanpreglow: h264, I believe
13:13:21LloreanI think they can also do DiVX mpeg4 but I'm not sure.
13:14:10preglowyeah, h264
13:14:37*jhMikeS guesses the chip might just be a source/gate driver with shift regs that need constant clocking or something but he's just spouting crud atm
13:14:39Lloreanh264 is very, very pretty.
13:16:12peturLinusN: flight seems to be to Stockholm Bromma, is that a bad choice?
13:16:55petur(airport code BMA)
13:18:03LinusNnot at all
13:19:05peturgood... will probably book this weekend after a final talk at home ;)
13:19:30LinusNbromma is a lot closer than arlanda
13:19:45peturoh goodie
13:20:50scorcheanyone going from the US that will let me hop into a carry-on bag?
13:21:15peturarrival friday 21:45, departure monday 07:05 - I hope busses run that early...
13:21:53linuxstbpreglow: Yes, h264 with AAC audio.
13:22:37LinusNpetur: don't worry
13:26:14markunjhMikeS: I can look in the #gigabeat logs for the markings
13:27:06peturerr... the ticket is 20 euro cheaper if I order it through a Swedish website :(
13:28:05jhMikeSmarkun: you know which chip is actually getting the commands? it seems like no real action happens on the display but in whichever chip does the refreshing.
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13:30:47Lynx_Llorean: so, with your winff settings i get 7 fps for my file
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13:33:13LloreanLynx_: Alright, I was afraid that might be the case, I've got the audio and video bitrate probably both higher than they need to be.
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13:34:05LloreanLynx_: Try video at 150, and audio at maybe 80
13:34:23Lynx_Llorean: yeah, i'm just trying different ones
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13:34:51LloreanLynx_: I'm trying to compile a list of settings for that which play back decently, and look at least "okay" if/when it's possible
13:35:00LloreanAlso, make sure you're using a fairly recent build
13:35:13LloreanBecause the frameskipping code has improved somewhat to be less aggressive (less unnecessary skips)
13:35:16markunjhMikeS: which chip gets the SPI commands?
13:35:17Lynx_Llorean: i'm using todays.
13:36:00LloreanLynx_: "Today" is a 24 hour period
13:36:43Lynx_Llorean: heh, i downloaded it about 4 hours ago
13:36:54LinusNlinuxstb: the movie playback is smooth and nice now!
13:37:05jhMikeSmarkun: it the ltm022?
13:37:25LloreanLynx_: As long as it's revision is 12967 or later
13:37:26markunjhMikeS: yes, and inside the ltm022 there is a small chip embedded in the glass
13:37:44markunwith some markings, but I can't find them at the moment
13:37:47LloreanLynx_: The fact that you said "today's" makes me fear you downloaded a daily build
13:39:46markunjhMikeS: check at 15:12:17
13:42:11jhMikeSwish I had that chip on hand if it's bare. I've got a microscope
13:42:44LinusNjhMikeS: the gigabeat?
13:42:55LinusNis it hard to open?
13:43:22jhMikeSit's got some weird bare video chip embedded in the display glass apparently and no info on it atm
13:43:50LinusNchip-on-glass, very common
13:44:16LinusNand there are markings on it?
13:44:31jhMikeSwith a busted display supplied to me, perhaps I could put in the microscope and see any etched numbers on it
13:44:37markunLinusN: check the link I just posted
13:44:52markunjhMikeS: you can't do it with a working LCD?
13:45:05markunI'm sure toffe has some broken LCD modules, ask him to send you one
13:45:16jhMikeSI don't know...I'm not really up for destroying mine to do it ;)
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13:45:44Lynx_Llorean: so audio 96, video 192 @ 15 fps got me 7 fps on the player and searching for a paperclip upont pressing stop...
13:46:14LloreanLynx_: Was it 4:3 or 16:9?
13:46:21LloreanLynx_: 4:3 should playback at ~10
13:46:24Lynx_Llorean: 16:9
13:46:32linuxstbLynx_: Do you have the Skip Frames and Limit FPS options enabled?
13:46:36LloreanLynx_: And what revision number is your build?
13:48:15Lynx_Llorean: i have everything off, ver 12968
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13:51:35Lynx_Llorean: something is not right witht the mpeg winff generates, my standard player doesn't play it correctly (although mplayer does), and mpegplayer crashes upon stopping
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13:52:17LloreanLynx_: It's just ffmpeg, which is pretty widely considered "fine"
13:52:47Lynx_Llorean: i know. so, can i set the frame rate below 15, or is that against mpeg2 specs?
13:52:58LloreanYou can set to 10 or 12
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13:53:30LloreanWhat I meant, though, is that I'd like some actual evidence that the mpegs aren't right, beyond "My standard player doesn't like them"
13:53:49LloreanCrashes on mpegplayer right now are semi-expected, it may not be killing the video thread properly.
13:53:56LloreanErr, ending
13:56:13LloreanI've had no problems playing back the files anywhere, on multiple pc-side players, so right now it's "one player on one computer doesn't like it." :)
13:56:31Lynx_sure, i get that.
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14:12:27BigBambiLlorean: Interestingly, the files made by WinFF won't play properly for me on Zoom Player, but are fine on target and virtualdub opens them OK too
14:12:50Lynx_Llorean: so, with sound bitrate down to 48, video at 192 with 10 fps i can get up to 8 fps on the player. but sound is never in sync.
14:12:57BigBambiI haven't investigated as I don't care as long as they are OK on target :)
14:13:16LloreanBigBambi: What does Zoom player do?
14:13:38Lynx_Llorean: it's a windows media player
14:13:43BigBambiThe sound plays OK, but the picture is all corrupted (lots of bright green) and doesn't change
14:13:58Lynx_Llorean: that's what i have on my software player
14:14:01LloreanLynx_: Until you turn frameskip and framerate limiting on, sound is unlikely to ever be in sync
14:14:19LloreanWait, so you're both using Zoom Player, and you're both having it not play what should be perfectly valid mpeg-2 files?
14:14:23Lynx_Llorean: it's not in sync even with that on, sound is always too fast
14:14:29BigBambiLlorean: sounds like it
14:14:36LloreanSounds like a Zoom Player problem, so far. ;)
14:14:43Lynx_Llorean: i have bs player
14:14:46BigBambiI'll look what filter zoom player tries to use to play them back
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14:15:04Lynx_Lynx_: but they play fine in mplayer, so it might be a problem of some codec we both have
14:15:10Lynx_eh, Llorean
14:15:33LloreanI'd be curious to know if your players are using directshow filters or internal/external codecs
14:15:48BigBambiLlorean: Yes, as VirtualDub opens them fine on my computer, the filters are abviously there and the file is fine
14:15:55LloreanLynx_: When you have frameskip and framerate limiting on, what does it report the frame rate as?
14:15:58BigBambiOne mo, I'll check what filter Zoom Player is using
14:16:08PaulJamroolku: hi, could it be, that your fix for the runtimedata on stop or end of playlist cuases a bug, that the autoscore is now also changed if you stop playback?
14:16:22LloreanBigBambi: I know it works fine in my Directshow based players, but I have a recent version of the ffmpeg directshow filters installed.
14:16:56Lynx_Llorean: 7-9.5, depending on the scene, the one with fast camera movement less. it goes up to 10 when the sound is finished before the video is.
14:16:59BigBambiLlorean: I'll see what both VirtualDub and Zoom Player use
14:17:55LloreanLynx_: Frameskip should keep it at 10, it sounds like frameskip isn't keeping up... =/
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14:18:31Lynx_Llorean: so the sound can't be in sync either
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14:20:56LloreanLynx_: As I said, it sounds like frameskip isn't keeping up.
14:22:05BigBambiLlorean: OK, VirtualDub and VLC play it fine (using ffmpeg), Zoom Player is currently trying to use "MPEG Decoder" which is quartz.dll. Clearly this is the problem. I'd suggest that Lynx_ video player is also using an odd/old decoded
14:22:23BigBambiI'm just going to set Zoom Player to use ffmpeg and check that it does indeed fiz it
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14:27:19roolkuPaulJam: autoscore is calculated from the runtime info (100*playtime/length/playcount) so since this is now collected on pressing stop, yes it is affected
14:28:11roolkuPaulJam: see my discussion with Slasheri a few days back
14:28:35PaulJamthanks, i'll read the logs
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14:42:54liberty_Is it possible to PLAY a cue sheet,not just displaying it?
14:43:37luckzI didn't know rockbox could display cue sheet content.
14:43:55PaulJamHave you enabled the option to use cuesheets in rockbox?
14:44:03Lloreanluckz: They're just text files.
14:44:12liberty_Yes it can display it just llike a musik.
14:44:16LloreanBut yeah, cuesheets should automatically be loaded if their filename matches the audio file, and they're enabled.
14:44:22liberty_It can parse the cue sheet.
14:44:30Lloreanyou run the audio file, not the cuesheet, I believe
14:44:59luckzwell, having cue sheet stuff in my playlist makes rockbox be confused for a bit and then skip the tracks in question, here
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14:45:22Llorean"cue sheet stuff?"
14:45:41liberty_The name matches,CD.mp3 and CD.cue
14:45:42bluebrotheryou add the audio file to the playlist, not the cue sheet
14:46:20luckzhow does rockbox format that inside playlists?
14:46:34bluebrotherit doesn't.
14:46:37luckzI had reasonably bad experiences with most possible playlist creation options
14:46:56bluebrotherit displays the tracks inside of the cue as markers in the progress bar
14:47:01luckzuh. k.
14:47:21luckzthat's not really useful for me, then. I'd need to have single tracks as single playlist entries.
14:47:37bluebrotherI would prefer having it as multiple entries in the playlist, but it doesn't work that way atm.
14:47:41luckzbut okay, I didn't know that.
14:47:51PaulJamroolku: do you think it is save to just revert the change locally, or does some recent change rely on that commit.
14:47:52luckzLlorean: for shuffle playback
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14:47:57Lloreanluckz: Then split the file
14:48:00LloreanProblem solved
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14:48:28*bluebrother never understood the need for cue sheets as there are enough file formats that support gapless encoding
14:48:46Lloreanbluebrother: Heck, nowadays even the non-gapless formats can do it if you try hard enough. :)
14:49:04bluebrotherright, but that's more work ;-)
14:49:14Lloreanluckz: So, why can't you split the file/
14:49:21roolkuPaulJam: completely safe
14:49:31PaulJamthank you
14:50:13luckzfor one I naiively expect that lossy mp3 would get even more lossy then, though I know there's some lossless mp3 splitting app - did not get round to trying that one yet
14:50:24luckz(one that claims to be, at least)
14:50:27liberty_Still don't get how to play it. The cue infomation didn't display when playing.
14:50:53bluebrotheryou can split mp3 files lossless when splitting at frame boundaries.
14:51:05bluebrotherwhat do you expect to display, and what gets displayed?
14:51:44PaulJamliberty_: have you enabled cuesheet support in the playback options?
14:52:11liberty_Emm? settings?
14:52:25bluebrotherliberty_: remember you need to reboot for this setting to take effect (iirc)
14:52:26roolkuPaulJam: the actual bug is that it uses the wrong index on stop and tries to record the runtime info for the second to last track, however it doesn't actually do it, as it keeps track of the fact that it already has
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14:52:52Lloreanliberty_: What settings? Nobody said *anything* about it displaying settings.
14:52:58Lloreanliberty_: We said it would display marks in the progress bar.
14:53:23liberty_I will try
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14:54:07LloreanBagder: X5 dailies are still bad?
14:54:39Bagderno idea
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14:55:07LloreanBagder: The filesize is still 415kb, so it looks a lot like they are.
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14:55:27BagderI haven't had any time to check it yet
14:55:36Bagderthe nano ones look bad too
14:55:53LloreanIt's missing plugins, viewers, anything that gets compiled I think.
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14:58:07kynesdoes rockbox run on Sandisk MX1 ?
14:58:41peturkynes: is it listed on
14:59:25kynespetur : I guess no.. it says Sansa E200 series.. but I was just curious
14:59:52kynespetur : will the old models be supported?
14:59:55markunkynes: nice player?
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15:00:33kynesmarkun : yes, it is not so old and it is widespread.. mine is 512 MB
15:00:48kynesmarkun : but it doesn't play wma or any other than mp3
15:00:49Lloreankynes: Players get supported if people who own the players make the effort to port to them.
15:00:59bluebrotherkynes: Rockbox doesn't play wma either
15:01:05linuxstbkynes: Supporting a player in Rockbox is a _LOT_ of work - only a very small number of players (those with owners who chose to invest the months of time needed to port Rockbox) will ever be supported.
15:01:25kynesLlorean : I would do my best but I don't know exactly how to develop a firmware
15:01:32BigBambiLlorean: OK, I finally fixed it - Zoom Player thought the MPEG2 file was MPEG1, and thus using the wrong filter. When I manually changed the graphs so that MPEG1 also use ffdshow, it played correctly
15:01:41LinusNkynes: then it's not for you...
15:01:41kynesLlorean : I have embedded software development experience but just for PIC 16f877
15:02:01LinusNkynes: that's as good as anything
15:02:18LinusNyou need to take it apart and find out as much as you can about the hardware
15:02:22LloreanBigBambi: Alright, so the question becomes "what caused it to be mis-identified". What was the framerate on the file?
15:02:51kynesLinusN : I'd take it apart if it was not the only player I had :)
15:02:53BigBambiLlorean: One mo, I'll check (25 fps I think)
15:03:02liberty_I've heard of Iaudio X5 dual bootloader.Is there one for M5?
15:03:20Lloreanliberty_: There's not an official one for the X5, nor M5.
15:03:52luckzrockbox doesn't support .fpl, does it?
15:03:54BigBambiLlorean: I don't have the original with me, but the converted one is 25 fps (and I don't think WinFF changes that - I didn't tell it to anyway)
15:04:05Lloreanluckz: The only playlist format it supports is m3u/m3u8
15:04:08luckzofficial dual bootloader seems hard to do due to licensing things with the original firmware
15:04:16kynesLinusN : oh... tracing with multimeter and reverse engineering the scheme? a lot of work..
15:04:28LloreanBigBambi: WinFF shouldn't change it, no, I was just wondering if it was being converted to a weird framerate or something.
15:04:31kynesLinusN : I appreciate your work then..
15:04:39BigBambiDoesn't seem to be
15:04:56LloreanBigBambi: Strange, then. =/
15:05:17luckzkynes: not playing .wma is a feature
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15:05:58kynesluckz : how?
15:06:18luckzsaves your sanity; ensures a better life
15:06:34kynesluckz : :)
15:06:54LloreanWe'll never support DRM'ed WMA, and if it's content you own you should probably encode it into a better format anyway.
15:07:01BigBambiLlorean: When I look at file inormation in virtualdub, the decompressor info is missing. Could it be that the FourCC code (or whatever it is) isn't being set and so Zoom Player gets confused, but ffdshow autodetects regardless?
15:07:09LloreanIt's possible that Rockbox will support WMA in the future though. Someday.
15:07:18Nico_PLinusN: my latest mail to the dev mailing list has a question about the archos player that's mostly directed to you and Bagder. I thought I'd mention it here because I just noticed it's not very visible and you might miss it
15:08:27linuxstbBigBambi, Llorean: Maybe the issue is the Program Stream packets in the stream - IIUC, there are both MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 program streams. mpegplayer handles both types, but maybe the issue is that ffmpeg is producing an MPEG-1 program stream containing an MPEG-2 video stream.
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15:08:58LloreanBigBambi: ffmpeg gives me the option to force a vtag/fourcc and atag/fourcc, do you think it should, or do you think that qualifies as a problem on the other player's end, since we're encoding the videos strictly for Rockbox anyway?
15:09:09LloreanOr it could be what linuxstb said
15:10:32BigBambiLlorean: tbh, I don't know. I was guessing, it could also be what linuxstb said. I'm not too worried as it works on target. The problem is that I encoded it 5 times or something as I tested it on the PC after conversion and it didn't work, so I assumed the file was incorrect. Now I know it isn't a problem, but we might get quite a few 'support' problems
15:11:25linuxstbWell, vlc is free and cross-platform - we should probably recommend that as the test-player for Rockbox mpegplayer problems.
15:11:28BigBambiLlorean: How do you force a fourcc? I could test and see if that is the solution. If it is, I don't see the harm in doing it
15:11:32Lloreanlinuxstb: There's a "format" for mpeg2video, but I don't know if that's just an m2v. Formats seem to include container/stream formats, since that's where you specify MP4, etc.
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15:11:37BigBambilinuxstb: Very true, but will people do that?
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15:12:03Lloreanlinuxstb: VLC is a lot more squeamish on framerates.
15:12:13linuxstbLlorean: When playing back files?
15:12:17LloreanWhen encoding
15:12:37linuxstbI'm not talking about encoding - just a recommended PC player for people to test files they've encoded for Rockbox.
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15:12:51LloreanIf your video isn't exactly right, for example 23.976 instead of 23.976023, you just get no video stream. No warning, you don't find out until after a (potentially) long encode
15:12:58LloreanYeah, VLC would work fine for that
15:12:59BigBambiLlorean: we could say as first answer to "The encoding doesn't work, it's all rubbish" to try it in VLC
15:12:59BagderNico_P: afaik, amiconn is about the only living soul who has opinions about things on the Archos Player
15:12:59linuxstbBigBambi: That's up to them - all we can do is suggest a player.
15:13:16dionoeaLlorean: you get a warning in the debug log :)
15:13:21LinusNNico_P: i just read it, didn't miss it :-)
15:13:36Nico_PLinusN: ok :)
15:13:42Nico_PBagder: I'll ask him
15:13:51LinusNNico_P: you got the error in the sim, didn't you?
15:14:17Nico_PLinusN: yes, in the sim. no progressbars and crashes when I FF or RW
15:14:26LloreanBigBambi: Yeah, that works for me.
15:14:30linuxstbBTW, fourcc codes have nothing to do with mpeg files - they're just used internally by video players, and in AVI files, amongst other things. But they're not stored in mpeg files.
15:14:57BigBambilinuxstb: OK, cool it was just a guess :)
15:15:07linuxstbSee here -
15:15:23Lloreanlinuxstb: I don't see any way to choose anything but transport stream, leading me to assume "mpeg2video" and "mpeg1video" formats are the program stream formats.
15:15:49linuxstbLlorean: Choose in what?
15:16:24Lloreanlinuxstb: When encoding a video.
15:16:37LloreanI don't do anything to set the "format" right now, basically letting ffmpeg pick the stream.
15:16:57linuxstbLLorean: Ah, so you mean in ffmpeg?
15:17:47LloreanI guess though if it's creating files that are technically valid, I shouldn't tinker with it.
15:19:05BigBambiLlorean: I think it is OK, as they all work fine in rockbox, and we can tell people to check in VLC
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15:29:30*Llorean finally thinks he's lost his cool.
15:30:03LloreanThe Loader2 thing keeps coming back around though.
15:30:05pondlifeThat took long enough
15:30:25LloreanAnd it's always the same "Well you SHOULD support it" "But it's not ours, AND it causes bugs in our software when it loads it if it's not the absolute right version"
15:30:36linuxstbWhy don't we just ignore requests for info about loader2, and allow people who _do_ use it to answer?
15:30:51Lloreanlinuxstb: That's been the usual process.
15:31:07linuxstbLlorean: Not really - there are always lots of messages saying "we don't support it"....
15:31:13pondlifeIs this an IPL thing?
15:31:29Lloreanlinuxstb: Yeah, but we don't support it. But we do leave the threads open, and allow anyone else to answer.
15:31:33linuxstbYes, it's the ipodlinux bootloader, which lots of people prefer as it has a pretty menu to choose what to boot.
15:31:50pondlifeWell, suggest they go to IPL for help
15:31:59Lloreanpondlife: "Their forums suck" is the usual response.
15:32:06Lloreanpondlife: Or "but I'm trying to make it load Rockbox"
15:32:11pondlifeDo I look like I care?
15:32:21LinusNyeah, if i had to choose between a pretty bootloader or a working rockbox, i'd choose the pretty bootloader any day :-P
15:32:32pondlifeSo they want to make our forums suck too??
15:32:36LloreanThe problem is that Loader2 also doesn't run Rockbox properly unless you're using one of the newest versions, which I think aren't clearly linked/distributed.
15:32:42bluebrotheryes! Make our forums suck!
15:33:01LloreanAnd I also just don't like the idea of people expecting us to "support" something outside our control.
15:33:17bluebrotherbut Rockbox is a product! *g*
15:33:27*bluebrother remembers that GoldenQuote ...
15:33:29pondlife"no one knows wth is going on with rockbox huh? some tech support" :)
15:33:36pondlifeThat should be a GQ
15:33:36LinusNjust offer a refund :-)
15:33:45bluebrothergive him some tech support number
15:34:10bluebrother08/15 47-11
15:34:27Llorean"If you deliver me your iPod and pay me my state's minimum wage for the time spent working on it, plus provide return postage, I will gladly provide top quality support"
15:34:52LloreanJust... don't investigate the timesheets too thoroughly.
15:34:55bluebrotherLlorean: sounds like a cheap deal ;-)
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15:35:10Lloreanbluebrother: Clearly, it takes a good 6 hours to install Loader2. :)
15:35:24bluebrotherif not 7.
15:35:44pondlifeHmm. +419-LOADER2
15:36:05*pondlife took too long to look up a country code
15:36:07linuxstbMaybe I think of the forums differently to others - not every thread needs to have an "official" response in it. Leave users alone to sort their own problems out with things like loader2 if we can't help.
15:36:12desowinLlorean: don'
15:36:20desowinfon't forget to compile loader2 first
15:36:22bluebrotherhmm, that's UK, isn't it?
15:36:40desowinit gives you another few hours of work
15:37:02Lloreanlinuxstb: I don't feel every thread needs to have an official response. I just want people to know Loader2 isn't "supported" much like the X5 dual boot isn't "supported". Because one day it *could* cause strange behaviour, and I don't want anyone to be confused about it's status when I ask if anything is non-standard.
15:38:11LloreanThere are already people who don't recognize that loader 2 and the rockbox bootloader are different things.
15:39:42LloreanBut I mean, why answer Loader2 questions, but not, say, original firmware questions then?
15:41:59pondlifeWe shouldn't answer OF questions either...
15:42:32linuxstbI'm not saying to answer them, but just to ignore them. I understand the need to make sure people know they're doing something unsupported though...
15:43:05Lloreanlinuxstb: And that's all I try to do at first. I've even told people "It should work if you just extract Rockbox into your fat32 partition, but for further help you'll need to contact the providers of loader2"
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15:45:13linuxstbI guess that's the advice I disagree with - I think other users should be encouraged to help answer questions from people use loader2 with Rockbox. As the IPL devs don't use Rockbox, and the Rockbox devs don't use IPL, only the users are left to provide support for each other.
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15:46:27Lloreanlinuxstb: That's fine. I'll change my standard comment to "Loader2 isn't officially supported, and you may be asked to use the Rockbox bootloader when confirming certain bugs. You should just be able to extract Rockbox into the root of your fat32 filesystem"
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15:47:04LloreanThe problem with the thread in question is that it was "Loader 2 won't load the Apple OS" which doesn't really have "Rockbox" in it at all
15:48:11pondlifeAm I right in thinking that replaygain doesn't work in the sims?
15:48:31pondlifeOr rather, isn't meant to - like the volume control.
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15:55:09markunpondlife: replaygain is a dsp effect, so I think it should work
15:55:46linuxstbLlorean: Yes, that particular thread drifted a long way from Rockbox-related questions and the poster is a PITA. I'm just frustrated that users don't appear to be helping each other, and want to try and encourage it where we can.
15:56:02Lloreanlinuxstb: I'm perfectly fine with that at least. :)
15:56:14LloreanI'll try to lay a little encouragement out next time Loader2 comes up
15:56:38LloreanMaybe even suggest that "If anyone knows how to use it, a wiki page covering it would be appreciated so long as it mentions that it's officially unsupported"
15:57:06pondlifeHmm, maybe I missed some tagging...
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15:58:50linuxstboff-topic question for Perl gurus - how can I calculate how many days in the past a date is?
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15:59:02bluebrotherLlorean: nice answer ;-)
15:59:31GodEater_Llorean: I tend to agree with linuxstb, I think in future if a loader 2 thread shows up, all the usual suspects should avoid posting to it UNLESS it gets to the point where it's clear loader2 may be contributing to another problem the user is having.
15:59:56LloreanGodEater_: I think it needs to be clear that "If you're using Loader2, it's just like you're using an unsupported build"
16:00:16FebsPerhaps we should dedicate a thread to Loader2 issues.
16:00:19LloreanMaybe just create a Loader2 thread in the unsupported builds forum...
16:00:19GodEater_I think we've made that fairly clear now - I don't think we need to repeat it in every thread it shows up in
16:00:26FebsGreat minds think alike.
16:00:33GodEater_hehehe - you two twins ? :)
16:00:41LloreanGodEater_: The problem is, most times if a new thread pops up on loader 2 it's explicitly *because* they haven't read the other ones
16:00:52FebsNah. I'm *slightly* nicer. Sometimes. :)
16:01:13GodEater_Llorean: also true, but we can still ignore them. Eventually even the dumbest user will work out they have to search
16:01:20GodEater_OR someone who uses Loader2 will answer them
16:01:20linuxstbI've had the same thought - a "loader2" thread in "Unsupported Builds".
16:01:31linuxstbAlthough people will never see it...
16:01:41GodEater_" Loader2"
16:01:43FebsEspecially with thread titles like, "HELP!!!!"
16:01:44GodEater_instead of "Loader2"
16:01:46LloreanFebs: I'll start a thread.
16:01:50Lloreanlinuxstb: But we can just link them to it.
16:02:03linuxstbYes, but it would be better if people saw it before posting...
16:02:18GodEater_linuxstb: you're asking too much now :)
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16:03:12linuxstbI don't like to suggest it, but maybe a sticky in the Apple Installation forum, with a link to the Loader2 thread in the Unsupported Builds - and maybe other links like the Loader2 page as well.
16:03:32linuxstb(and a short statement saying it's unsupported)
16:04:25*GodEater_ wonders if we could change the "new thread" form to FORCE a search before it allows a new thread...
16:05:54Lloreanlinuxstb: Nobody reads the existing stickies, I think it's highly unlikely. Maybe adding it to the POSTING IN THIS FORUM thread, but I really, really don't want to have 3 stickies in the Ipod Installation forum
16:06:27pondlifeLlorean: looks good
16:06:49GodEater_Llorean: the "My ipod install went wrong thread" has 3000+ views...
16:07:00GodEater_that's a far cry from "no-one reads them"
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16:07:16linuxstbLlorean: Yes, it looks good. I'm not sure what you mean about extracting loader2 for re-installation using ipodpatcher - all it can do is to backup and restore the entire partition.
16:07:35Lloreanlinuxstb: Oh, I thought it had an extract bootloader to go with add bootloader.
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16:07:37LloreanI'll fix that
16:07:37FebsI suggest the following revision to the first sentence of the second paragraph: Loader 2 is not a Rockbox product, and therefore we cannot provide official support for it. While not strictly a build, Loader 2 can cause unexpected behaviour in Rockbox.
16:08:06GodEater_I'd also put in an invitation asking for someone to write a wiki page for it...
16:08:37Lloreanlinuxstb: Changed the instructions regarding ipodpatcher, correct now?
16:08:41FebsI also suggest spelling out "ipodlinux" and/or "ipod linux" somewhere in the post to increase the chances people can find the thread by searching.
16:09:01FebsNevermind, I see it in the last sentence.
16:09:27linuxstbAnd maybe vary the spellings - "loader2", "loader 2" "ipl" etc
16:10:24LloreanFebs: Incorporated your changes.
16:10:38LloreanAlso now "iPod Linux" "ipodlinux" "ipl" "loader 2" and "loader2" all show up in there.
16:10:57LloreanI've also updated the Apple Installation's "POSTING IN THIS FORUM" post.
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16:11:54linuxstbOK, so now we can forget about it...
16:12:15pondlifeForget about what? ;)
16:12:17LloreanIndeed, policy has been set: Redirect them politely to the one topical thread.
16:13:16linuxstbWhich of course will soon become too long to be of use to anyone.... But hopefully a wiki page will come out of it.
16:13:54Lloreanlinuxstb: I'll try to clean it up from time to time, if it gets bad.
16:14:08LloreanContrary to popular belief, I don't just troll the forums to yell at people. :)
16:14:14GodEater_I think we should just ask the iPL dev team to quietly remove support for Rockbox ;)
16:14:52linuxstbWell, moving the binary into .rockbox has broken the automatic detection...
16:15:30GodEater_I don't know how true it is when most users complain the iPL team don't support Loader2 very well
16:16:03GodEater_but if that *is* the case then I don't think it would be an unreasonable request on our part
16:16:11GodEater_provided we did it politely
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16:18:29LloreanGodEater_: I don't mind iPL Loader 2 working to load Rockbox.
16:18:40LloreanI just mind the expectation from users that we're obligated to help with it if it fouls up.
16:18:54GodEater_we can't do anything about that expectation though
16:19:07GodEater_asking people not to have it clearly doesn't work =/
16:19:26perl|workLlorean morning, any new encoding discoveries, etc?
16:19:46Lloreanperl|work: Well, H300 runs slower than expected nowadays.
16:20:06perl|workcant keep it in sync?
16:20:12LloreanYeah, so it seems
16:20:28LloreanBut I hear there's some optimizations waiting in the wings anyway
16:20:48linuxstbThey are, but no-one's looked at them...
16:21:11Lloreanlinuxstb: But that's better than "nobody's written them"
16:21:16linuxstbI probably can now that mpegplayer runs on the h1x0, but I don't know Coldfire assembly at all.
16:22:00perl|workLlorean how about lower video bitrates?
16:22:24Lloreanperl|work: This was a 100 video with 80 audio, apparently. Only 7fps
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16:22:57linuxstbIs that 7fps with frameskip/limit fps enabled, or running at full-speed without any a/v sync?
16:23:12perl|workoh i see
16:23:12Lloreanlinuxstb: Full speed.
16:23:30linuxstbIs that the ED test?
16:23:39LloreanNo, he encoded a low bitrate file.
16:23:45LloreanI don't know how ED performs, unfortunately.
16:24:06linuxstbIt would be useful if someone could test ED - the wiki says that decodes at 11fps.
16:24:09linuxstb(4:3 version)
16:24:40linuxstbIt's possible that all the a/v sync code is slowing it down, but I wouldn't expect anything more than 1fps, if that.
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16:24:50XavierGrok just confirming before I do anything silly: does F40 has the same adapter as H300?
16:25:03GodEater_XavierGr: you mean USB cable ?
16:25:05XavierGrboth are rated at 5v center positive
16:25:13XavierGrno charging adapter
16:25:28GodEater_ah - no idea
16:25:43webguest80In a Sansa e200, when you boot to the OF, is it normal for the bootloader screen to fade to white?
16:25:44Lloreanlinuxstb: The last A/V sync change (not counting the less aggressive frameskip) definitely added some overhead.
16:26:53Lloreanlinuxstb: That slightly oversized 30fps file on the nano played better prior to that sync change, and seemed to stay in sync. The one you described as compensating for PTS drift
16:27:17LloreanBut I'd rather consistent sync on all files at the cost of a little performance, if it comes tot that question
16:27:48linuxstbThere's possibly room for optimising that code, but I obviously want to get it working correctly first.
16:27:56LloreanMakes plenty of sense, yes. :)
16:30:00*linuxstb looks around for a H300 owner to test how fast the 224x176 Elephants Dream test video is being decoded with Limit FPS and Skip Frames turned off...
16:30:17XavierGrI can test that
16:30:24XavierGrlink for that file? :\
16:31:06linuxstb"Tests are performed by enabling the Show FPS option and disabling the Limit FPS and Skip Frames options in mpegplayer, playing the video, and then waiting for the FPS to stabilise. Please round the FPS to the nearest whole number."
16:31:07Llorean469, wow..
16:31:55linuxstbQuality is nice though...
16:32:21webguest80I'll try my question another time... thanks.
16:32:29LloreanBut at 400 quality is "okay" on my Gigabeat, and that's single pass. :)
16:32:40Lloreanwebguest80: The answer was "yes"
16:32:59linuxstbLlorean: You mean it's a known bug?
16:33:08webguest80Missed that somehow. Thank you, Llorean.
16:33:17Lloreanwebguest80: You didn't miss it, I missed your question.
16:33:22linuxstbI assume it's not what we would want "normal" to be...
16:33:51GodEater_ Llorean: how much leeway do we have with the template the forum uses ?
16:33:51Lloreanlinuxstb: Yeah, something to do with the LCD driver. It bugs out and does a fade to white sometimes during playback (everything else works, LCD stops updating) and it also happens when you try to boot the original FW, but once the OF boots everythign is fine.
16:34:00webguest80That aside, all works fine so I can live with it if you can. :-)
16:34:07Lloreanlinuxstb: The LCD drive on the Sansas still has a LOT of work to go, I believe
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16:34:37XavierGrlinuxstb: downloading now, but it might take a while with my crappy connection
16:34:47LloreanGodEater_: The biggest limitation is my lack of strengh in PHP-f.
16:34:51perl|workLlorean have you tried 2 passes with various bitrates?
16:34:57Lloreanperl|work: Not yet.
16:35:21Lloreanperl|work: I'm actually encoding some files I want at very high quality at 2-pass 600, then I'm going to try some experimentation with a few small clips of The Fifth Element.
16:35:43perl|worki tired few more with 400, i didnt like them
16:35:45LloreanI have high bitrate DVD of it, the Sony "Superbit" brand, and it's a very colorful, high motion movie, seems to me like it'd be good for testing.
16:36:02Lloreanperl|work: So far, I've only used 400 for TV shows.
16:36:03perl|workyes that should be good
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16:36:48Lloreanperl|work: Have you tried using VBR settings instead of setting a target bitrate?
16:36:49smablyXavierGr: you can use the gigabeat adapter to charge the H300; not sure about the other way around
16:36:52smably(don't know whether the H300 adapter can provide enough current)
16:37:04Lloreanperl|work: For example, try -qscale 6.0
16:38:05perl|workwas about to try last night
16:38:12perl|workbut the battery died
16:38:24perl|workwould be interesting to see as well
16:38:53LloreanFor the gigabeat at least, using -qscale might be better since we've got more elbow room to work with in a lot of cases.
16:39:56perl|workid try to set min and max scale as well
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16:40:40XavierGrsmably: if that is true then I don't see a reason why the opposite can't be done
16:40:47XavierGranyway I am almost sure it will be okay
16:40:58XavierGrthe rating on both devices is the same
16:41:04XavierGrthey just need 5v center positive
16:41:20perl|workLlorean i remember some command for 1-pass complexity there
16:41:20Lloreanperl|work: qmin and qmax should be used with a bitrate, rather than a qscale though, right?
16:41:42perl|workLlorean it should
16:42:20smablyXavierGr: gigabeat adapter is rated at 3A, and i think the iriver adapter is less...
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16:42:58BigBambismably: It'll probably just charge a bit slower then
16:43:14BigBambiA USB port only give 500 mA, but the gigabeat can charge from that
16:43:36perl|workLlorean would be nice to get a doc with all the possible arguments
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16:44:04GodEater_Llorean: take a look here −−>
16:44:05Lloreanperl|work: Unfortunately, the only one I have is the one I posted in the thread in the forums, which is ffmpeg's help output, which doesn't seem to be *all* of them
16:44:22GodEater_I was wondering if that might encourage people to use the search function more often
16:44:24perl|workLlorean yes im looking for it right now
16:44:39smablyBigBambi: but it might have some sort of current limiting for USB charging... (i don't really know what i'm talking about, though) :)
16:44:41GodEater_if you think it might, I'll have a look at SMF's PHP and submit a patch (if I can)
16:44:54XavierGrsmably: that rating is almost irrelevant. I am sure that a DAP won't ever draw more than 500-700mah
16:45:02LloreanGodEater_: It might.
16:45:11LloreanI don't think it'd be at all hard to add.
16:45:13smablyXavierGr: ok
16:45:17BigBambiThe current rating on a power supply is the maximum that supply can handle
16:45:25GodEater_I just think that the current search button is kind of lost in the noise
16:45:26markunBigBambi, smably: yes, it limits the current
16:45:28BigBambiNot what it always puts out
16:45:38LloreanGodEater_: Yeah, it very well could be.
16:45:39GodEater_you can find it easily enough if you really look for it - but it doesn't really leap out at you
16:46:33smablyBigBambi: right - i just thought it might draw a lot of current when charging, which could fry the adapter or something. but apparently that's wrong, so never mind! :)
16:46:35markunBigBambi, smably: look at the second diaram:;filename=gigabeat_f40_block_diagrams_rotated.pdf
16:47:02markunbut I think that's only when charging from USB
16:47:04BigBambismably: I see what you mean
16:47:39BigBambimarkun: cheers, yes looks like it
16:50:16perl|workLlorean ah this is much better
16:51:14XavierGranyway 2 Amperes should be more than enough for the F40 me thinks
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16:52:33perl|work"set motion estimation method to method", interesting
16:53:31LloreanYes, there are a LOT of options.
16:54:09perl|workLlorean i think it would be nice to creare some sort of a balanced around quality/size preset based on some of that
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16:54:49Lloreanperl|work: So far I've just been depending on the defaults for most things, in the hopes that there's a bitrate I can pick that balances it.
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16:56:00Kingstoneanyone here?
16:56:38LloreanKingstone: If you have a question, it's generally best just to ask it
16:59:40Kingstoneif you know, lately there has been a discovery in the iPL side about encryption of the apple flash update image encryption
16:59:50Kingstonei thought rockbox can make a good use of it
17:00:04Kingstonealso, now that i see there is a devcon, maybe you can discuss it there
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17:00:35markunKingstone: for the nano g2?
17:00:39bluebrotherand what have they discovered?
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17:00:50bluebrotherwas anyone able running own code on the nano?
17:00:52XavierGrwell I just connected the H300 adapter on F40 and a plug symbol appeared on the screen
17:00:58XavierGris that right markun?
17:01:23markunXavierGr: sounds right
17:01:27Kingstonethe decryption is not yet for the nano 2g
17:01:32Kingstoneit's for all the otehr ipods
17:01:36Kingstonebut i am working on the nano2g
17:01:45Kingstoneand so other people, i think we're getting close to this one
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17:01:58Kingstoneit seems the encryption is in rc4 and we are trying to extract the key
17:02:05XavierGrmarkun: do you remember the button combo to boot on OF. I can't make out the letter on the bootloader
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17:02:39Kingstoneif you guys have a memdumper it will be very good as we want to try and extract the flash code
17:03:24roolkuNico_P: I have a patch to honour the default codepage when reading cue sheets:
17:03:30saratogayou mean a ROM burner?
17:03:37saratogaor some software device?
17:04:31roolkuNico_P: the problem is it effectively triples the size of the cuesheet structure to accomodate the potential stringsize increase - do you think this is acceptable
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17:05:45roolkuNico_P: where did you get the 64 for MAX_NAMES - from the cue sheet spec? Is it number of bytes or number of characters?
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17:06:35roolkuNico_P: I can limit it to 64 bytes, but it is going to be an ugly loop.
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17:07:01Nico_Proolku: I changed 64 to 80 in my latest commit
17:07:07linuxstbKingstone: There is already an option in Rockbox to dump the flash ROM to a file.
17:07:12Nico_Pi got 80 from the cue spec
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17:08:25roolkuNico_P: whoops, better do a svn up... still, do you know if it is characters or bytes?
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17:08:52Nico_Proolku: a char is ony byte
17:09:13Nico_Pso it's both
17:09:17roolkuNico_P: well depends on the codepage
17:09:22linuxstbKingstone: I'm not sure what use identifying the encryption of the AUPD image is though... We can simply dump the unencrypted contents from flash.
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17:09:49linuxstb(unless of course the Nano 2nd Gen is using the same algorithm)
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17:10:31Nico_Proolku: currently one cuesheet is 25k in memory and there are two
17:11:48perl|workNico_P i noticed you can play a random track from the cue sheet viewer, that's amazing :)
17:12:01roolkuNico_P: I could rewrite it so it uses a maximum of 80 bytes rather then 80 charactes...
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17:12:32Nico_Proolku: that would be better, and probably even in accord with the cue spec
17:12:34roolkuNico_P: or the memory could be allocated from a pool (like the id3 parser does)
17:12:58Nico_Proolku: actually I was wondering where the ID3 got it's memory
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17:13:42Nico_Pperl|work: I should've advertised that :) someone even requested it in a PM
17:13:46roolkuNico_P: it has a buffer, where it puts all the strings one after the other...if you have long tags the last ones to be read will be cut off
17:14:34Nico_Proolku: that's what I assumed... I'm not sure it's the best thing to do with cues... we should have MoB at the end of the summer anyway :)
17:14:49roolkuNico_P: :)
17:18:01pondlifeIs it a known issue that mpegplayer segfaults in the sim when you press STOP ?
17:18:18linuxstbPatch welcome :)
17:18:21pondlifeI won't mention it then!
17:18:25toffe82jhMikeS: I can send you a broken lcd, I tried to find some reference on the chip but nothing, but if you have a microscope, perhaps you can find one
17:18:31linuxstbBut I think it's the fact that remove_thread() isn't implemented in the sim.
17:18:37pondlifeVery likely
17:19:23toffe82markun: I was just reading about your change on the color, I think that a lookup table is faster that in line conversion , perhaps we can gain something there
17:19:55markuntoffe82: talk to jhMikeS :)
17:20:26markunhe's also interested in a broken LCD module if you have a spare one :)
17:21:06toffe82markun: I think we can put the lcd of the S in the F, the overall size of the s one is smaller than the one of the F :)
17:21:43toffe82markun: if I can make cable, I will try it,
17:22:03toffe82I just put it like this and I can close the case with no problem
17:22:15markunbut can you see the whole 2.4"?
17:22:21linuxstbWhy would you want to do that?
17:22:26toffe82the only problem , big one is to make the cable
17:22:31toffe82bigger screen
17:22:47toffe822.4" instead of 2.2
17:23:12toffe82just for fun because it is an expensive mod
17:23:30linuxstbWhat's the current state of knowledge about the Gigabeat S? Any way to run your own code yet?
17:24:13toffe82we are still waiting the interface to connect the hd direct to a pc to transfer files
17:24:31linuxstbIn what direction?
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17:25:09toffe82linuxstb: to put our modify files on the hd
17:25:28saratogathis would be teh ZIF to ATA adapter?
17:25:30linuxstbSo the firmware is stored on the HD?
17:25:42markuntoffe82: did you ask the guy who got the files in the first place to try it?
17:25:45linuxstbBut inaccessible via the normal USB modes?
17:25:46toffe82zif connector
17:25:47markunHe used a ipod
17:26:09toffe82markun: is S is not working anymore
17:26:13markunlinuxstb: yes, 2 partitions, the MTP connection shows the files on the 2nd one
17:26:22markuntoffe82: ah yes, forgot that
17:26:23toffe82ptw419: bought an interface also
17:26:49linuxstbThat's going to be a tricky install process for users ;)
17:26:53toffe82but we have to buy it in europ , no way to find a cheap one here
17:27:44toffe82linuxstb: we try to modify the updater of the v30 to recognize the S
17:28:03toffe82ther is no updater available for the S
17:29:12toffe82or we need somebody knowing the mtp protocol , there must be a way to upload the files, the updater do it
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17:33:19shoepainteranyone own a gigabeat s60 have a lint screen problem
17:33:36shoepainterwhere lint in under the screen
17:33:51Lloreanshoepainter: This is #Rockbox, perhaps you were intending #Gigabeat?
17:34:52pondlifeFixes it for me at least...
17:35:42toffe82I think that the mtp problem will be the same for all the player unsing pmc (zen M, gigabeat S..) If think that if we find how to update files for one, it should work for the other one
17:38:12linuxstbpondlife: Looks reasonable to me, but I don't know what the side-effects of that could be...
17:38:27linuxstbpondlife: Can you run mpegplayer multiple times OK?
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17:56:16saratogatoffe82: sooner or later someone will probably figure out how the creative mtp updater program works, so that might be helpful to you eventually
17:57:06toffe82I think so
17:57:57toffe82saratoga: when you use the updater on the zen, you have to do something first on the zen or it is all from the pc ?
17:58:20saratogai don't know how it works
17:58:36saratogai've just been skimming threads and pushing people to work on the Zen port
17:59:15pondlifelinuxstb: Yep, seems to allow stopping and starting no problem
17:59:43toffe82saratoga: because on the S there is a way to put it in "wait for call", but I don't know exactly what it does
18:00:16toffe82when you change the hd for example
18:00:20pondlifeI think I'll commit it
18:01:30roolkuNico_P: restricting the output string size of iso_decode() basically requires a re-write. So I guess I will upload my original patch to the tracker and wait for MOB
18:02:08Nico_Proolku: ok
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18:03:12Nico_Proolku: why is it *3 btw ? I thought it would be *2... but i know almost nothing about this sort of thing
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18:08:37roolkuNico_P: a single character in can use up to 3 bytes in UTF-8
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18:09:14hcsisn't it up to 4 for ridiculous cases?
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18:09:37roolkuNico_P: I am however not sure if these 3-byte characters can be a single byte in any of the supported code-pages
18:10:19roolkuhcs: I think we only support only UCS (16 bit Unicode)
18:10:31hcsah, ok
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18:16:07Nico_Proolku: is the current implementation limited to ASCII chars ?
18:16:20Nico_PI have actually never tested with a non english cuesheet
18:18:52pondlifeIs it just me, or is there a problem with at the moment?
18:22:33linuxstbI can't access it...
18:22:52linuxstb"Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at"
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18:29:33roolkuNico_P: yes, the current implementation only works for 7bit ASCII
18:29:55roolkupondlife: no I have the same problems
18:30:10Nico_Proolku: I was asked the question and was incapable of answering :p
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18:30:36Nico_Proolku: *2 could be OK
18:30:39kurbjunkmarkun: are you around?
18:32:48kurbjunkI was wondering if you could clarify the gigabeat port pins for the ATA and USB2 ATA interface. specifically I am trying to understand what the GPGIO pins do (pins 10-12)
18:33:02roolkuNico_P: I'll try to find out if any of the single byte code pages have characters with 3 byte representations
18:33:35Nico_Proolku: ok :)
18:33:40kurbjunkI'm really interested in what pin 12 does, and do you know which one actually cuts power to the drive?
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18:34:01roolkuNico_P: the double byte ones translating into 3 bytes should not be a problem
18:34:29kurbjunkI havn't gotten a chance to try the patch on the gigabeat pressue sensativity yet btw
18:34:57markunkurbjunk: I don't know exactly what each pin does
18:35:12markunkurbjunk: I guess you know this page?
18:35:32kurbjunkyep, I was looking at that but the pin descriptions are a bit vague
18:35:59markunit's from the disassembly and I didn't update those
18:36:09kurbjunkI gotcha
18:36:26kurbjunkdo you know if anyone would know the specifics of the pins?
18:36:42markuntoffe82: you?
18:36:44toffe82kurbjunk: check the dock of the usb chip
18:37:00kurbjunkI was looking at that as well
18:37:50kurbjunkthe block diagram seems to indicate aht one gpio is for power control, but the port pins doesn't seem to indicate which one clearly
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18:38:33markunwell, the one which slowly spins the drive up and down can't be the power control: GPG11
18:38:51markunSo I guess it's GPG12?
18:39:09markunkurbjunk: can you update the wiki after you found it out? :)
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18:40:12toffe82I am looking my file but never found gpg12
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18:41:15kurbjunk:), sure - I am trying to finish up the full initialization of the GPIO ports and I got stuck with this
18:42:00markuntoffe82: can you check if there is power on the HDD when it's supposed to be off?
18:42:06kurbjunkdoesn't HDD spindown usually happen with an ATA command though.. that's what's confusing to me
18:42:22kurbjunkand the bus switch in the block diagram, what controls that?
18:42:40toffe82markun: yes
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18:43:03toffe82but when is it supposed to be off ?
18:43:15markunkurbjunk: we once had a 'bit twiddler' in the bootloader for debugging which was nice for trying out what each pin did
18:43:26kurbjunkit should always poweroff on spindown at least I think that's what the irivers do
18:43:43markunyes, that's what it is supposed to do
18:43:54markunbut maybe we are setting the wrong pin
18:44:02kurbjunkthat's what I was thinking
18:44:07toffe82I will check
18:44:14kurbjunkbecause right now I think the code is pin 11
18:44:23markuntoffe82: you could try to change the power down pin to 12 in power-meg-fx.c to compare
18:45:02roolkuNico_P: as far as i can tell thai, turkish and japanese could be a problem
18:45:13kurbjunkmarkun, did you notice the two clicks on the gigabeat on startup, I was able to get rid of one by adding that code in #gigabeat on startup
18:45:38markunkurbjunk: I notice a click, but didn't see any code in #gigabeat
18:46:03kurbjunkit was last night for me.. about 10 -12 hours ago
18:46:09kurbjunkthat I posted it
18:48:03markunok, I saw it
18:48:36markunmaybe we just cut the power instead or resetting?
18:49:01markunif we mixed up pin 11 and 12 for example
18:49:54kurbjunkthat's possible
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18:50:38markunIk heading home, talk to you later
18:51:14kurbjunksee yah, thanks for looking at this
18:51:21XavierGrI did an awfull thing and started the OF on gigabeat
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18:51:33XavierGryou were right this OF sucks big time
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18:51:59XavierGrand now I can't boot rockbox :\
18:52:11XavierGrI should RTFM I guess
18:52:26toffe82just change the fwimg01.DAT
18:52:35toffe82with the one of rockbock
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18:53:06XavierGrheh I don't even know how to flash F40, you did a great job to bring it to me with rockbox already in it :D
18:53:12XavierGrI am going to read the wiki page
18:53:23toffe82no flash
18:54:02toffe82just copy it from your computer to the folder \GBSYSTEM\FWIMG
18:54:23toffe82or use rbutils :)
18:55:06roolkuNico_P: I think *2 is fine, but can't be 100% certain...need to go for a bit.
18:55:27toffe82XavierGr: but there is still a pb with rbutils, if the backup of the original firmware exist in the directory, it doesn't copy the rockbox one
18:55:42XavierGrok thanks for the info I will look into it
18:58:47XavierGris there a brick danger if I do anything stupid?
18:58:47toffe82XavierGr: now I allways use rbutils, it is easier
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18:59:18XavierGrtoffe82: yes rbutil is nice, but I want to know the procedure too, so I am just reading the wiki for detailed instructions
19:00:01Domonoky_toffe82: please try the rbutil at: domonoky/"> (windows) or try the patch in the tracker...
19:00:35XavierGrone annoying thing that we can't avoid is the long press that is needed for the gigabeat to turn on...
19:00:59XavierGrfor that I suppose that the player must be flashed and completely get rid of the OF
19:01:15XavierGr(or have dual boot without the OF starting first)
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19:01:54toffe82Domonoky_: it works
19:02:11toffe82XavierGr: yes
19:02:18Domonoky_toffe82: any comments on the new UI ? :-)
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19:03:27XavierGrtoffe: do you know what is this DEMO_MUSIC folder on my gigabeat? it seems as a proprietary sound and picture format?
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19:03:39XavierGrthe OF played some music along with some pictures...
19:03:46toffe82Domonoky_: I still have an error can't open user configuration file, but it works
19:03:58XavierGr(I ask if you placed that folder there when you had the unit and you happen to know)
19:04:30toffe82XavierGr: yes it is the demo , the sounf files are encripted and the picture also
19:04:52XavierGrso I suppose It would be good to get rid of them ;)
19:05:02toffe82you can erase it
19:07:15toffe82Domonoky_: for the bootloader, no problem, for rockbox and font, I have this message at the end about the con file, the detail is : cannot create temp file, can't open user config file
19:07:55toffe82it did it with all the version I tried but didn't give any problem, everything install correctly
19:08:08Domonoky_ah, its also the problem with the user configuration..
19:08:17Domonoky_i will have a look at it..
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19:09:07toffe82the gui is better like this
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19:11:48XavierGrtoffe: what happens if the .dat file is missing? (both the original and rockbox one)
19:12:01toffe82Domonoky_: would it be possible to have a multiple select for the theme in the list with the standard key (control + select or shift + select)
19:12:30toffe82XavierGr: I think you cannot boot anymore
19:12:36Domonoky_should be possible..
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19:13:42XavierGrtoffe: you cannot boot as in bricked?
19:13:57toffe82XavierGr: I think so , you did it :)
19:14:17toffe82but it is easy to fix ;)
19:14:17LloreanCan't you use that USB mode from when you remove the disk drive, then turn it on?
19:15:13toffe82Llorean: yes you can use it
19:15:21iskandar_I have a little big problem with Rockbox
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19:15:46iskandar_I've been installed it, but now it isn't work.
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19:16:01iskandar_(Sorry if I don't speak English good)
19:16:20XavierGrtoffe82: no I didn't do it :)
19:16:36XavierGrbut I just want to be sure how easy or hard is to brick this thing
19:16:36toffe82iskandar_: what player ?
19:16:47iskandar_iPod nano v1
19:17:11toffe82XavierGr: when you have the problem just follow the instruction on the wiki
19:17:46iskandar_and I can't enter it in my computer
19:17:51iskandar_I have Ubuntu Linux
19:17:57iskandar_Feisty Fawn
19:18:02toffe82XavierGr: On good thing to do also is to make an image of the drive
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19:19:02toffe82XavierGr: as I repair a lot of gigabeat , I had some time pb with hd formatted by windows and fix it just by reloading an image of a working gigabeat
19:19:51XavierGrtoffe82: I just saw the information on how to unbrick the Gigabeat on wiki, though it beats me why it won't connect on USB with the HD on (if someone managed to brick it)
19:20:01toffe82Iskandar: I cannot help you but somebody will do , be patient ;)
19:20:15Iskandarwhy ?
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19:21:00toffe82because you don't have an answer yet, a lot af people are from europ , and it must be dinner time now :)
19:22:09IskandarHum... I am not form Europe :)
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19:23:37IskandarI will be patient
19:24:30toffe82XavierGr: I think that when it sees the hd, it goes hangs up the program, when there is not the hd, it must go on another par of the prog
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19:36:06linuxstbIskandar: What does your ipod show on the screen?
19:37:16Iskandara broken file and a weblink ( under it when I turned it on
19:37:44linuxstbWhat instructions did you follow to install it?
19:38:08IskandarIt was work, in the beginning
19:38:41IskandarI have launched ./ipodpatcher and I have moved the .rockbox folder in the iPod
19:39:32IskandarDo you have an Idea ?
19:39:32bluebrotherIskandar: can you access the ipod using emergency disk mode?
19:40:06IskandarI don't now what is the emergency disk mode
19:40:33bluebrotherreboot the ipod by holding Menu + Select for a while. When the apple logo comes up press Play + Select
19:41:03bluebrotherthis will enter emergency disk mode which _should_ work in any case. You need to reboot the Ipod by holding Menu + Select to leave that mode though.
19:42:04IskandarI have a scrren that show me a green image and in the top, Disk Mode and inder the "photo": OK to disconnet
19:42:13IskandarIs it the emergency disk mode ?
19:42:36bluebrotherit's disk mode. I don't know how to distinguish between regular and emergency disk mode
19:42:52bluebrotheras I haven't noticed a difference between those two yet
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19:43:09linuxstbThe emergency disk mode should be black and white, with no backlight. The other disk mode is Apple's main firmware, which is full-colour (on colour ipods of course...)
19:43:11bluebrotherso, after entering that mode you should be able accessing the ipod
19:43:22rigelanyone know where i might go to stay abreast of zune-hacking efforts?
19:43:23IskandarAnd after what should I do ?
19:43:23*bluebrother doesn't have a color ipod
19:43:32IskandarI can't access
19:43:34rigelirc channels, i mean
19:44:01bluebrothercan't access in what way? Do you get an error message?
19:44:12IskandarOh! I have sayed a false thing
19:44:14linuxstbrigel: The only serious place I know is #gigabeat - the attempts to hack the Gigabeat S should hopefully lead to progress on the Zune.
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19:44:22Iskandarthe Dis Mode is black and White
19:44:35rigellinuxstb: what, they have some of the same hardware?
19:44:48linuxstbrigel: Yes, it's believed the hardware is almost identical.
19:44:53IskandarI have only "OK to disconnect."
19:45:01bluebrotherhave you connected the usb cable?
19:45:13IskandarI connect it now
19:45:33bluebrotherit should switch to "do not disconnect" then
19:45:34IskandarNow I have "Do not disconnect"
19:46:03Iskandarbut I can't access to it form the computer
19:46:15bluebrotherin what way? Is there an error message?
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19:46:54bluebrotherok ... so you expect it to show up as icon on the desktop, right?
19:47:09linuxstbIskandar: If you run ipodpatcher, does it see your ipod?
19:47:16IskandarI will run it
19:47:55IskandarNo iPods founds
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19:48:44bluebrotherdo you have a usb hub connected between PC and Ipod?
19:49:25linuxstbIskandar: If you run (as root) "fdisk -l", does your ipod show up ?
19:49:35IskandarI have /dev/sdf
19:50:10IskandarDisk /dev/sdf: 2047 MB, 2047868416 bytes
19:50:20linuxstbWhat did you do before the ipod stopped working? It sounds like you have corrupted the disk.
19:51:07IskandarI don't now
19:51:35IskandarOne of my friends has broken the iPod
19:51:39IskandarNot me
19:52:06IskandarBut he has turned off and turned on the iPod
19:52:17bluebrotherwhat Ipod do you have? Nano?
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19:52:30linuxstbWhat does "fdisk -l /dev/sdf" display?
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19:53:13IskandarNow what should I do to run it ?
19:53:36linuxstbIskandar: Can you type that command?
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19:53:55IskandarI can
19:54:19linuxstbWhat partitions does it display?
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19:54:22bluebrothermake sure to run it as root
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19:54:34IskandarDisque /dev/sdf: 2047 Mo, 2047868416 octets
19:54:34Iskandar63 têtes, 62 secteurs/piste, 1023 cylindres
19:54:34IskandarUnités = cylindres de 3906 * 512 = 1999872 octets
19:54:34DBUGEnqueued KICK Iskandar
19:54:34IskandarPériphérique Amorce Début Fin Blocs Id Système
19:54:53IskandarSorry , it's in French...
19:54:58linuxstbIs that all?
19:55:10linuxstbThen that's the problem - the partition table has been deleted...
19:55:27CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
19:55:27*Genre9mp3 waves @ all with a completely out-of-sync face expression
19:55:36IskandarAnd what the answer to the problem ?
19:55:38linuxstbDownload this file -
19:55:56linuxstbThen type "dd if=mbr-nano2gb.bin of=/dev/sdf"
19:56:15Iskandarin root ?
19:56:16linuxstbThen unplug your ipod from your computer, and then plug it back in again.
19:57:14Iskandarit doesn't worfs!
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19:57:54bluebrotherdoesn't worf?
19:58:03Iskandarno, it is working
19:58:12IskandarI can access to it
19:58:17desowinIskandar: if you have access to iTunes, you can restore your iPod, it'll create partitions
19:58:29linuxstbdesowin: There is no need for itunes...
19:58:30IskandarI am in Linux
19:58:49IskandarOK, what I do now ?
19:59:09linuxstbYou can access the disk now and see your files?
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19:59:32linuxstbTry running ipodpatcher again - does it find the ipod?
20:00:23Iskandarand what should I do ?
20:00:35linuxstbJust type "c" for cancel.
20:00:44linuxstbThen disconnect your ipod
20:00:56linuxstbThen reset it by holding MENU+SELECT for a few seconds
20:01:30Iskandarit doesn't works
20:01:47linuxstbWhat is displayed?
20:01:52bluebrotherresetting or booting?
20:02:01IskandarI have already the error screen
20:02:11linuxstbWhat does the error say?
20:02:11Iskandarwith the folder and whatever
20:02:30Iskandara broken folder and a weblink
20:03:15Iskandarjust this
20:03:54linuxstbOK, go to this page: and select "Nano 1G" from the list, and download the file.
20:04:34Iskandarand after ?
20:04:47Iskandar(I hasn't got the complete file yet)
20:05:08linuxstbYou will need to unzip it - it will be called .ipsw, but it is a zip file.
20:05:34linuxstbYou will then have a file called something like "Firmware-X.Y.Z".
20:05:34Iskandarand place it in the root of the iPod ?
20:05:46Iskandarwith dd?
20:05:51desowindd it into /dev/sdf1
20:06:02linuxstbYou need to run the command "dd if=Firmware-X.Y.Z of=/dev/sdf1"
20:06:12Iskandarthank you
20:06:22IskandarWhen I will have the complete file, I will do this
20:06:36linuxstbThat should restore the Apple firmware to your ipod.
20:07:23IskandarBut I want Rockbox and, if I can, iPodLinux both!
20:08:57linuxstbYes, but the first step is to make your ipod work again...
20:09:03IskandarI will just reinstall Rockbox for this?
20:09:06IskandarYes, of course
20:10:07linuxstbI can't help you install ipodlinux, but to install Rockbox you will simply need to run ipodpatcher and select "i" for install, and then download and unzip that to your ipod's FAT32 partition.
20:11:14Iskandarplease, don't left, it is possible to me to ask you other things
20:11:28desowinIskandar: my advice for installing iPodlinux is to do linux parition by hand, iPodlinux installer always broken up my iPod's partition table
20:12:11IskandarBut this iPod isn't entirely mine, so I will just enter Rockbox to it
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20:13:30desowinalso iPodlinux isn't OS for playing music imo
20:14:02IskandarOh, I've been have a problem with the tags
20:14:25desowinin music files ?
20:14:33*Genre9mp3 wonders how will be the feeling, using Rockbox after nearly 2 months... so many new things to test! :)
20:14:51Iskandarwhen I launch a music in the tags repertory, it isn't work all times
20:15:10desowinyou mean database ?
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20:15:24Genre9mp3Of course... I also have a new target to get my hands on, too... doubles the pleasure! :)
20:15:25desowinhave you initialized it first ?
20:15:38linuxstbGenre9mp3: What's your new target?
20:15:53Genre9mp3linuxstb: A Gigabeat F20
20:16:02linuxstbNice :)
20:16:19bluebrotherIskandar: are the tags on the audio files set properly?
20:16:40bluebrotherItunes stores its information elsewhere, so it's possible to be not present in the files itself
20:17:11Genre9mp3linuxstb: The Gigabeat has arrived home 1month+ now... the problem is that I won't be at home before 5 April
20:17:15desowinIskandar: for general tagging on computer, I would recommed easytag
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20:17:43Iskandarlinuxstb, it isn't works!
20:18:09Genre9mp3linuxstb: Great work with the MpegPlayer btw... One more reason for me to be eager to get back home next week! :)
20:18:40desowinIskandar: the iPod doesn't boot up ?
20:18:43bluebrotherIskandar: what exactly doesn't work? Does it boot up correctly?
20:19:02Aloneayes, must praise you again linuxstb. probably half sick of it now, or no?
20:19:13Iskandarno, it doesn't boot properly
20:19:21desowinstill the same image ?
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20:20:04desowinis the /dev/sdf1 set as empty ?
20:20:10desowin(in fdisk)
20:20:34IskandarI don't now
20:21:29IskandarI was returned to the beginning
20:21:39bluebrotherif you run fdisk -l /dev/sdf, what does it display?
20:21:48Iskandarthi iPod isn't displayed
20:21:51bluebrotherIt should list two partitions with the first marked as empty
20:22:04bluebrotherhave you enabled emergency disk mode again?
20:22:05IskandarPériphérique Amorce Début Fin Blocs Id Système
20:22:05Iskandar/dev/sdf1 1 10 80293+ 0 Vide
20:22:05Iskandar/dev/sdf2 11 248 1911732 b W95 FAT32
20:22:16Iskandarbut I cqn't qccess to my iPod
20:22:37bluebrotherhmm, the partition table looks as expected
20:22:55bluebrotherhow are you trying to access the ipod?
20:23:23Iskandarin my file manager and in me Terminal
20:24:01IskandarDo I format my iPod?
20:24:04linuxstbHave you unplugged the ipod after writing the Firmware-X.Y.Z file to it?
20:24:28linuxstbDid you get the same error as before?
20:24:56IskandarI format it ?
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20:25:19bluebrotherwhat does fsck.vfat /dev/sdf2 tell?
20:25:48Iskandardosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN
20:25:48IskandarCurrently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 123.
20:26:07bluebrotheranything more?
20:26:15Iskandaranything more
20:26:17bluebrotherlooks like the FAT is messed up
20:26:46IskandarI think the only way is to format it
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20:27:03linuxstbThat would be "mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sdf2"
20:27:29bluebrotheryou could try fsck.vfat -rv /dev/sdf2
20:27:39bluebrotherbut I guess that will fail.
20:27:52XavierGrlinuxstb: for the H300 mpegplayer test you want me to watch all of the video? :\
20:27:53Iskandardosfsck 2.11 (12 Mar 2005)
20:27:53Iskandardosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN
20:27:53IskandarChecking we can access the last sector of the filesystem
20:27:53IskandarBoot sector contents:
20:27:53IskandarSystem ID "mkdosfs"
20:27:54***Alert Mode level 1
20:27:54IskandarMedia byte 0xf8 (hard disk)
20:27:55***Alert Mode level 2
20:27:55Iskandar 512 bytes per logical sector
20:27:58Iskandar 4096 bytes per cluster
20:28:00Iskandar 32 reserved sectors
20:28:04IskandarFirst FAT starts at byte 16384 (sector 32)
20:28:05Iskandar 2 FATs, 32 bit entries
20:28:08Iskandar 1908224 bytes per FAT (= 3727 sectors)
20:28:10IskandarRoot directory start at cluster 2 (arbitrary size)
20:28:12IskandarData area starts at byte 3832832 (sector 7486)
20:28:14Iskandar 476997 data clusters (1953779712 bytes)
20:28:16Iskandar63 sectors/track, 255 heads
20:28:18Iskandar 0 hidden sectors
20:28:20Iskandar 3823464 sectors total
20:28:22IskandarChecking for unused clusters.
20:28:24IskandarChecking free cluster summary.
20:28:26Iskandar/dev/sdf2: 0 files, 1/476997 clusters
20:28:34IskandarI can format it now
20:28:37*desowin recommeds
20:29:17linuxstbXavierGr: You just need to watch it until the FPS figure settles on a value.
20:29:42linuxstbXavierGr: The PluginMpegplayer wiki page describes how to do the performance test.
20:30:06linuxstb(I'm just curious if performance is significantly worse than it used to be)
20:30:09XavierGrlinuxstb: the range was from 8.8 to scenes with much movement to 11 at the start
20:30:35XavierGrI'd say about 9.5- average
20:30:46IskandarI format it ?
20:30:47linuxstbXavierGr: OK, so it does seem slower...
20:31:09XavierGrnow it reached 8.5 :(
20:31:18bluebrotherdid you format the partition? Looks ok now
20:31:35IskandarSo I format it
20:31:57bluebrothercan you mount the partition? Should work now.
20:33:10IskandarI don't want the iPod firmware
20:33:35bluebrotherunzip the rockbox build to the player.
20:34:04IskandarI run the ipodpatcher before, isnt'it ?
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20:34:36bluebrotherI assume the bootloader is already installed.
20:34:47IskandarI dont't now
20:34:53bluebrotherbut it doesn't matter in which order you unzip the build and install the bootloader
20:34:55IskandarI have just formatted it
20:35:13bluebrotheryes. But formatting the drive doesn't remove the bootloader
20:35:28Nico_Pcan someone tell me how the dual booting works on the H10 5G ?
20:35:44IskandarOK, but before this, what's the best build:Senab, jBuild or the original build ?
20:36:04bluebrotherwe don't support anything except the official one, so ...
20:36:37linuxstbNico_P: bootloader/main-pp.c should tell you... (if no-one else does)
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20:37:23linuxstbIskandar: Senab's build is very old now, so I wouldn't recommend it. I don't know about jBuild.
20:37:56***Alert Mode OFF
20:37:56linuxstbThe official build has everything you need, unless you're interested in very pretty themes.
20:38:47bluebrothers/pretty/fancy/ ;-)
20:39:06IskandarIt doesn't works
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20:39:18Nico_Plinuxstb: found it there, thanks
20:39:41Iskandarthe ipodpatcher don't find the ipod, and I can't launch rockbox
20:40:00bluebrotherwhat did you do after unzipping the build?
20:40:07desowindid it booted in Apple firmware before you second time attended to patch it ?
20:40:42IskandarI haven't installed the Apple firmware!
20:41:07Iskandarshould I install it ?
20:41:26desowintry to restore iPod as it came, when you'll have original firmware running and kicking, then try to install rockbox
20:41:40bluebrotherthe apple firmware should still be present. It's in the partition maked as empty
20:41:54bluebrotherso formatting the FAT partition doesn't harm the firmware installation.
20:42:19desowinIskandar: the dd thing to /dev/sdf1 was installation of Apple firmware
20:42:47IskandarNow I have ust /dev/sdf1
20:42:55IskandarI don't have /dev/sdf2
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20:43:05desowinwhat does fdisk say ?
20:43:53IskandarPériphérique Amorce Début Fin Blocs Id Système
20:43:53Iskandar/dev/sdf1 1 10 80293+ 0 Vide
20:43:53Iskandar/dev/sdf2 11 248 1911732 b W95 FAT32
20:44:15Iskandarbut now what should I do ?
20:44:22desowinit's ok
20:44:26IskandarThe iPod don't work at all!
20:44:39desowincan you try disgnostic mode ?
20:45:05IskandarWhat should I do to run the diagnostic mode?
20:45:24desowinreboot (select+menu) and the quickly select+back, and select autotest to see if everything is correct
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20:46:38funkyhey, any of you know an app to convert feeds to a readable format for ipod?
20:46:48IskandarI don't have "autotest"
20:46:53webguest56Iskandar: perhaps you should read the FAQ and manual, all your questions are answaered there
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20:47:17IskandarNot all the questions, I suppose
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20:50:01perl|workfunky how about audible format?
20:50:07JavaMan22what is recording for i tryed to speak in my headphones
20:50:11JavaMan22but nothing happened
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20:50:45funkyperl|work: sounds better :))
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20:51:38funkyperl|work: I guess the problem is when you try to listen a non-english feeds
20:52:27perl|workfair enough
20:52:44funkyIm gonna try with some in spanish
20:54:15funkyno way
20:55:24IskandarIt is working!!!!!!!!!
20:55:36bluebrothernice to hear
20:57:36JavaMan22what is working
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20:58:15desowinJavaMan22: Iskandar's iPod
20:58:48IskandarThank you for all
20:59:06Iskandardesowin, bluebrother, linuxstb and all the others
21:00:09Nico_Pwow the H10 becomes almost completely unresponsive when I activate too much fancy audio features
21:00:35Nico_Pthough the audio still plays fine
21:00:57Nico_Pthat's a nice target to test my tokenizer on :)
21:00:57TrueJournalsI've noticed that too... playing audio seems to have top priority above EVERYTHING else...
21:04:36JavaMan22i want to learn c but im lazy :(
21:05:06Nico_PJavaMan22: do you code in java ?
21:05:24Nico_Pok, just wondering :)
21:05:32Nico_PC is not really far from java
21:05:42Nico_Psyntax wise I mean
21:05:57JavaMan22i want to make a game
21:06:03JavaMan22for the ipod video
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21:06:27JavaMan22do i have to make it work for all targets for it to be in the build?
21:06:27Nico_PJavaMan22: hopefully it wouldn't be limited to the video
21:06:41Nico_Por at least several of them
21:06:45Nico_Pit's not that hard
21:06:59JavaMan22so far i have this sqaure
21:07:02JavaMan22it moves around
21:07:20TrueJournalswhat kind of game do you want to make?
21:07:27JavaMan22an rpg :)
21:07:29IskandarI have a codec failure, how to fix it?
21:07:33TrueJournalswow =-O
21:07:35JavaMan22the first rpg
21:07:37TrueJournalsgood luck
21:07:43JavaMan22why is it hard
21:07:49JavaMan22it cant be
21:08:04JavaMan22my first one will be basically all text hehe
21:08:04TrueJournalsI don't know
21:08:08TrueJournalsI don't code C
21:08:17TrueJournalsor java for that matter
21:08:28TrueJournalsjust seems like a big project
21:08:33JavaMan22i just wish compiling didnt take so long
21:08:38IskandarRuby and Python are good
21:08:46TrueJournalsJavaMan22: what are you using to compile?
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21:08:49bluebrotherIskandar: you get a codec failure if you mixed up rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder. Just install again.
21:08:50JavaMan22if compiling didnt take so long i would be more motivated to do stuff
21:09:05TrueJournalsI would reccomend switching to VMWare
21:09:11desowinIskandar: don't try to run ruby or python on rockbox targets ;-)
21:09:32TrueJournalsI started using cygwin, it took like half an hour to compile... using VMWare, it took about 5 minutes (if that)
21:09:35Iskandarbut to write a game, it is good
21:09:56JavaMan22well it takes 4 min to compile for me
21:09:58Iskandardon't use VMWare, TrueJournals , use VirtualBox
21:10:04TrueJournalsI do, actually :-p
21:10:23TrueJournalsBut, I had to make my own machine and it was kindof a pain... there's a VMWare machine that anyone can easily download
21:10:28JavaMan22who has a ipod
21:10:33JavaMan22*ipod video
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21:14:50markunJavaMan22: no me, but why are you asking?
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21:19:52webguest_erikI see that the H300 builds do not go very well at the moment. How can I find a more or less stable build?
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21:21:08webguest_erikOops, I am sorry. I misread the dailybuild journal Please forget my question.
21:21:33BigMacdoes 16:9 for video lead to smaller file size but less quality the 4:3?
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21:23:13Rcholla32Whats up yall
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21:23:32JavaMan22wanted to know if someone wanted to test
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21:25:14BigMacIskandar: does virtual box use less ram?
21:25:25Rcholla32Can somone tell me the website of fixed sansa
21:25:37Iskandaryes BigMac
21:25:47webguest_erikJavaMan22: Test what?
21:25:52BigMaca lot less?
21:26:00TrueJournalsBigMac: One of the pluses of VirtualBox is that it only runs when it is running. VMWare always has background processes running
21:26:31BigMacTrueJournals: Well on my latop I havbe to shut down every program to run vmware
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21:27:21TrueJournalsI say it's worth a shot :-\
21:28:09bluebrotherBigMac: how much RAM do you have?
21:28:41BigMacUH like 470 something mb
21:29:20BigMacAnd does anyone here use winff for video conversion for rockbox
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21:30:49BigMacor should I just try vlc because it does not seem to be working
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21:31:21TrueJournalsBigMac: are you running windows?
21:31:40TrueJournalsTry my GUIEncode program:
21:32:58bluebrothermaybe you should consider upgrading your RAM −− my machine is a P-M 1.4GHz and it runs fine since I upgraded to 2GiB RAM :D
21:33:11bluebrotherso the machine itself isn't quite fast ...
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21:35:02JavaMan22my moving square program
21:36:12BigMacbluebrother: If I had the cash I would:p
21:36:24*petur hugs virtualbox too :)
21:36:39BigMacTrueJournals: Perhaps you should add a progressbad in because I have no idea how far along it is
21:36:55TrueJournalsBigMac: I would I could add a real progress bar :-\
21:37:04TrueJournalsthat's not really possible though
21:37:50BigMacI have seen progres bars in programs all the time
21:37:56BigMacor at least a percent complete
21:38:44TrueJournalsYes, but first, I don't think I can do it with the language I'm using, second, with mencoder, if I see what it's outputting, it doesn't give an measure of progress, third, with VLC, I don't know how to get the progress data
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21:40:57BigMacWel Just saying it is quite hard to tell if the program is still encoding or it stopped working
21:41:23TrueJournalsHmm... maybe I'll add some kind of animated icon...
21:42:41BigMacAnd are videos supposed to be outputted as .rock s?
21:42:54TrueJournalsit's really .rock.mpg
21:42:56TrueJournalsso, yes
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21:43:40BigMacok snd I will check on my palyer, but it is reading the file liength as almost triple what the original was
21:44:26TrueJournalsWell, I gotta go
21:44:27TrueJournalssee ya
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21:45:41linuxstbBigMac: What's your problem with WinFF?
21:46:14BigMacUmm hold on
21:46:34BigMacIt kept giving me something like I do not hav access to write here
21:46:42BigMacand it was on the desktop
21:48:16scorcheBagder: there?
21:49:29scorchedo you have an ftp where i can upload this image?
21:50:11Bagdervmware image?
21:51:31BagderI guess you don't have it so that I can get it from you?
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21:51:55BigMaclinuxstb: Exact error" Access denied Ok to ignore and risk corruption cancel to kill the program
21:52:39scorchei have kept putting off getting my own server running, so i dont...hold on a bit and let me see if i can make midkay become useful ;)
21:53:03scorcheerm....he is in school...we will just deal with it later, i suppose
21:54:13BigMacany suggestions
21:54:44BigMacand gui encode only outputted like 2 seconds of sound then it skips and starts over
21:54:52BigMacfor like an hour an a half
21:55:11perl|workBigMac what kind of file are you converting?
21:55:26perl|workavi is a container, what format?
21:55:40BigMacuhh lemme check
21:55:59perl|workwhat resolution and fps?
21:56:19BigMacdon't know any of that
21:56:28BigMacI checked properties
21:56:41perl|workplay it in any player and check file properties within it
21:56:43BigMacand all I can find out is that it is aan AVI(.avi)
21:57:01perl|workwhat player do you use?
21:57:23peturcd ..
21:57:54perl|workpetur too long of a day huh? :P
21:58:11peturnah... beer, but don't mention it ;)
21:59:45BigMacperl|work: mplayer and I found it hold on I will paste
21:59:54BigMacKLCP AVI File
22:00:16BigMacwait no
22:00:21BigMacvideo is xvid
22:00:31BigMac24 fps
22:00:45perl|workaha thats better
22:00:53perl|workhow long it is?
22:01:35BigMacand for some reason it opens up a 320x 240 movie now when I click it along with the original size in an active x window
22:02:04perl|workwhat error is winFF giving you again?
22:02:34BigMacAccess denied Ok to ignore and risk corruption cancel to kill the program"
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22:04:00BigMacany possible solutions?
22:04:05BigMacshould I try vlc?
22:04:09perl|workcould you paste the whole message somewhere?
22:04:18BigMacthat is the whole message
22:05:01perl|workcould you run just ffmpeg.exe and see what happens?
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22:05:50BigMacwindows can't find the file error
22:06:01perl|worka dll file?
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22:09:03BigMacWindows can't find"ffmpeg.exe. Please make sure it is spelled correctly
22:09:23*petur wants to commit - anybody against it?
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22:09:42smablynot i
22:10:10perl|workBigMac erm, have you check in the \Program Files\WinFF ?
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22:10:52bluebrotherpetur: the description sounds good ;-)
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22:11:44BigMacperl|work: clicked it and it opened the command prompt ran some commands and closed
22:11:49cropI've already asked this but (I think) got no reply. So: may a non-committer come to the DevCon 2007?
22:12:38perl|workBigMac do you have any other (small) video file to try?
22:13:23perl|workcause i think its the file
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22:13:34Bagdercrop: it could be a good chance to become one as well! ;-)
22:13:37perl|worknot winFF
22:13:43BigMacthe file plays fine on my computer
22:14:39BigMacI guess I will try vlc
22:14:40perl|workalso double check the output directory
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22:15:00cropBagder: he-he. Ok, I'll consider whether I could contribute something. And I also have to check the plans for that weekend.
22:15:15IskandarWhy rockbox don't work in the iPod nano v2 ?
22:15:34BagderIskandar: because nobody has made it work on it
22:15:44perl|workBigMac change it to something, avoid desktop and default windows folders
22:16:07IskandarAnd when it will be supported ?
22:16:34BigMacI tried several folders
22:16:37BigMacstill no go
22:16:55BagderIskandar: when someone makes rockbox run on it, it might take a while
22:16:55FebsWe generally don't answer questions that begin with "when?"
22:17:19bluebrotherhmm. Prices for flights are quite jumpy ...
22:17:50IskandarSo, it's possible tu run Rockbox on iPod nano?
22:18:03BagderIskandar: on the 1st gen nano, yes
22:18:26perl|workBigMac ok one last thing
22:18:46perl|workBigMac check if winFF folder is write protected
22:18:51BigMacnone of these files will play in vlc though
22:18:52Iskandarand on the 2rd generations ?
22:18:59bluebrotherIskandar: no.
22:19:17perl|workBigMac aha, thats something
22:19:24perl|workwhat happens when you try?
22:19:27XavierGrthe gigabeat surely needs a lot of work in the keymap definition...
22:19:37XavierGrmany of the combos are unusable
22:19:40BagderIskandar: you already asked why it isn't working, so why ask again if it works?
22:19:41cropBagder: does a WPS have to exist for all screen sizes supported by RB in order to be included into the official pack?
22:19:45BigMacI see no video
22:19:45perl|workXavierGr whats wrong with its keymaps?
22:19:48BigMacI hear audio
22:19:54BigMacbut it plays in mplayer
22:19:55perl|workBigMac is the slider moving?
22:20:01perl|workis there sound?
22:20:28Bagdercrop: yes, but we're also reluctant to add anymore at all since we just want to ship a few in the bundle and provide the rest via, the wiki or similar
22:20:33XavierGrand the most annoying occurance was with battery_bench. when loaded battery_bench would ask for power to exit but then when you released the power button batter_bench would run once again cause of the release action
22:20:45XavierGrperl|work: try to page scroll
22:21:06perl|workXavierGr ha i think i never tried that really
22:21:27XavierGralso it is like Llorean said, different keys do different things from what other targets with about the same layout of buttons do
22:21:31bluebrothercrop: how about adjusting the shpped themes for players they haven't been adjusted to?
22:22:00perl|workBigMac ffmpeg is having problems with them in general then
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22:22:36perl|workperhaps they are not standart xvid encodes
22:22:58BigMacthat sucks
22:23:11perl|workif you want you can upload it
22:23:17cropBagder: OK. I've just found a simple non graphical WPS that would work with many fonts. But it was originally written for H120 (which suits me). And I thought it could also be included into the pack. There is no rwps though.
22:23:18perl|workid like to check them
22:23:28BigMacUmm it is a few megs
22:23:29cropbluebrother: don't they already exist for all screens?
22:23:38perl|workBigMac well, if you can
22:23:43BigMacand I don't have any upload space
22:25:27*petur is booking tickets
22:25:29BigMacit is too big
22:27:26*Bagder assigns mentors
22:27:54BigMacI really wanted to get these working:(
22:28:10BigMacwait could I create a torrent then send you the torrent?
22:28:46scorchetorrents need a tracker
22:28:48crop petur: are you doing this at one of the low price lines (ryanair et al)?
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22:29:44peturnope, going for brussels airlines... ryanair is 4 hours drive (x2), costing almost the same if I calculate gas prices too
22:30:02bluebrothercrop: not all. zezayer e.g. works only on one resolution
22:30:12BigMacwow video is amazing
22:30:20BigMacqulaity and everything
22:30:34bluebrotherand the newer screens also have themes missing as they weren't available at that time
22:31:35peturduh... supersave site is 3 euro cheaper but asks 9 euro visa fee.... so much for being cheaper...
22:32:29cropbluebrother: hmm... on another note: follow playlist seems to be broken in the current build
22:32:58bluebrotherare you trying to use follow playlist with the database view?
22:33:01perl|workBigMac you mean quality of the video on the target?
22:33:21BigMacI was watching elephants dream
22:33:33perl|workbtw i tried to compile album art patch yesterday, it worked perfectly
22:33:56perl|workwere you having problems with that?
22:34:12BigMacit was asking for which files to patch
22:34:20BigMacand I can neve get that to work
22:34:38cropbluebrother: no, file view. On my H120, I press NAVI while in wps. And the folder the song is in is _not_ shown
22:34:52perl|workBigMac can you add other patches?
22:35:01perl|workthe ones you're that work
22:35:13bluebrotherhmm. Haven't used that option for a while.
22:35:29perl|workyou're sure*
22:35:54BigMacyah usually
22:36:10BigMacbut it gave the prompt Which file to patch
22:36:19BigMacthen I did not know what to type
22:36:22cropbluebrother: I use it always. To be able to skip some songs
22:36:44BigMacperl|work: should I try converting from xvid to something else first?
22:36:48BigMacthen convert?
22:36:48bluebrothermaybe it's a setting issue ...
22:36:51perl|workBigMac have you tried different -p option?
22:36:58bluebrotherdid you notice when it broke?
22:37:03BigMacI only use p0
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22:37:41perl|workBigMac perhaps you can try converting those xvids yeah
22:37:51BigMacto what format?
22:38:05cropbluebrother: no, I haven't. Could you pls write my nick in posts to me? It will be easier to track the conversation.
22:38:36cropbluebrother: I assume that it happened with one of the recent JdGordon's commints
22:38:51perl|workBigMac, try this soft:
22:39:16BigMacthat goes to mp4 though doesn't it?
22:39:37bluebrothercrop: I somewhat don't consider it a good way of hilighting all lines
22:39:38cropbluebrother: I'll verify it on the sim
22:39:45perl|workbut at least youd know if you can convert them further
22:39:58BigMacoh I can convert from mp4?
22:40:12bluebrothermaybe you want to pick a different irc client? The web client isn't too convenient ;-)
22:40:43perl|workBigMac yes, and then try to convert from mp4 to mpeg
22:41:06cropbluebrother: it's also an eye catcher. How can another irc client help? What client do you use? I don't use irc other than for RB
22:41:44bluebrotherI use irssi or xchat, depending on what machine I'm using
22:44:07cropAnd how do you track the conversation if a post is not addresses to you (by using of bluebrother)?
22:46:07bluebrotherI don't find it difficult tracking the nicks ...
22:46:28bluebrotherthis channel isn't too high-traffic
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22:46:52BigMacwait perl|work can I convert from h 264?
22:47:32perl|workBigMac, with winFF?
22:48:29perl|workyou might need a latest version of ffmpeg.exe though, depends on the file
22:51:05cropbluebrother: I've verified it on the sim. And then on target. Follow playlist works if you navigate to a file and play it. But if you start playback after the dap was switched on it doesn't
22:51:37cropI.e. you resume playback at the position that was started at shut down
22:52:05cropDo you experience the same?
22:52:10|Rincewind|I just tried it on my h120 and confirm what crop says
22:52:25bluebrotherok ... please file a bug report
22:52:26|Rincewind|I have the most recent build
22:53:23crop Ah, sorry, I have to leave.
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23:10:19spahijahi all...looking for some info regarding Ipod 2nd gen and rockbox ! Is it possible ?
23:12:26bluebrotherwhat ipod 2nd gen?
23:12:35spahijaU2 edition
23:12:38bluebrotherMini 2nd gen works fine here ;-)
23:12:51bluebrotherand what is that exactly?
23:13:19spahijahm... its a 2nd gen Ipod ( not mini ) 15 GB drive
23:13:28spahijalemme show you a picture
23:13:55bluebrothergreyscale lcd?
23:14:20peturafaik, 2nd gen isn't supported, even 3rd gen is barely supported
23:14:22bluebrothermight be identical to the G4.
23:14:39bluebrotheryou could just try to run ipodpatcher and look if it finds an ipod and what it reports.
23:14:51spahijapetur, yeah I thought that too
23:15:01spahijabluebrother, getting it on monday
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23:15:17bluebrotherok, found something on wikipedia ... seems to be identical to 4G.
23:15:26spahijabluebrother, oh ?
23:15:33spahijaso there is a chance
23:15:38peturerr... that pic surely isn't an ipod 2nd gen is it?
23:16:03spahijapetur, well guy that I bought it from said it is
23:16:20spahijait has 15 GB drive so I guess its correct version
23:16:57bluebrotherthe 2G has a different "wheel"
23:17:21bluebrotherbut your picture shows a click wheel which was introduced with the 4G
23:17:31spahijawell as I said its a spec edition ...
23:17:42spahijabut will know for sure on monday
23:18:16spahijaoops...sorry about that
23:18:17peturand has 30GB
23:18:49spahijait has ? even better :D
23:18:55perl|workpetur thats the new u2 ipod
23:19:02perl|workold one is 4g 15gb
23:19:11perl|workaka ipod photo
23:19:15bluebrotherunless you let ipodpatcher write anything it's safe to try detecting the ipod
23:19:32bluebrotherwasn't the photo colored? ;-)
23:20:10spahijaI have a huge collection of ogg files and hope that it can play it with rockbox
23:20:38bluebrothercolor display.
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23:21:54spahijacolored as in painted with crayon colors not a color screen (if I can add explanation to this misunderstanding) ;)
23:22:48perl|workApple 20 GB iPod Photo U2 Special Edition MA127LL/A (4th Generation)
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23:22:59perl|workunles theres an even older one
23:23:19spahijaperl|work, its 15 GB but guy might be wrong
23:23:48perl|work15gb was the initial model as i remember
23:23:58perl|workthey re-release it as 20gb later on
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23:24:30spahijais it actually a drive inside ..a 2.5" or something ?
23:24:57bluebrother1.8" afaik
23:25:21bluebrotherbut definitely less than 2.5"
23:25:30spahijaI see
23:26:49perl|workspahija yes theres an older one, without the color display
23:26:53perl|worki just checked
23:26:59perl|workstill its 4g
23:27:44spahijaperl|work, still ist 4 gen ?
23:27:51perl|workboth are
23:28:06spahijaI rockbox is a possibility after all
23:28:44spahijaperl|work, but why does apple refers to it as 2.3 gen ?
23:29:07spahijaoh their site
23:29:31spahijajust a sec
23:30:43spahijaperl|work, −−-> If you look for a 15 GB size it shows a 2,3 GEN
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23:31:50perl|workmaybe your friend went like this:
23:31:56perl|work20000 / 1024 = 16.6 "real"GB
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23:32:34spahijawell your guess is good as mine...all I know its a 15 GB I have to take his word on it
23:32:43perl|workand as i said theres a batch of u2 ipods 4g with 15gb drives
23:33:09perl|workyou have to wait and see
23:33:30perl|workthere was simple no other u2 ipods besides 4g and 5g
23:33:34spahijaperl|work, impatiently for sure
23:33:48peturwell shows a 15GB 4G....
23:34:27perl|workagain as i said
23:34:29spahijafood time ...thanks guys for info to ya on monday again
23:34:31perl|workthey are rare beasts
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23:48:59webguest55i wanna know what could i do with rock box now that its installed
23:49:04webguest55any new features i should download
23:49:46peturif you downloaded and installed rockbox you have the latest and greatest ;)
23:50:16peturdon't forget the fontpack and any additional themes you like...
23:50:59petur and
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23:58:17Febswebguest55: You should the manual for your platform. It will explain everything Rockbox can do:

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