| 00:00:13 | amiconn | In main.c, usb detection happens before accessing the disk, and if detected, rockbox will go into usb immediately |
| 00:00:27 | roolku | spotUP: good to hear |
| 00:00:34 | petur | ah, for the targets without bootloader usb |
| 00:00:34 | amiconn | First, this is to protect from rockbox crashes due to bugs in conjunction with a corrupt filesystem |
| 00:00:43 | spotUP | there is a mod player called mikmodule for ipod-linux, i noticed that someone tried to port mikmod to rockbox earlier, maybe it will be easier using the already ipod friendly ipod-linux mikmodule app? |
| 00:00:52 | amiconn | Second, on Ondio, this is a convenience function. |
| 00:01:15 | roolku | spotUP: I will put the better solution (with the iram use still intact) on the patch tracker |
| 00:01:24 | spotUP | roolku ok cool! great work! i owe you one! |
| 00:01:31 | amiconn | An MMC can operate in 2 modes, MMC mode and SPI mode. You can switch from MMC to SPI during operation, but for switching back the card must be power cycled |
| 00:01:37 | roolku | spotUP: if you want I can dcc the rockbox.zip again but thereis probably not much difference |
| 00:01:49 | spotUP | with the nicer fix? |
| 00:01:51 | spotUP | sure. |
| 00:01:58 | amiconn | The USB-MMC bridge uses MMC mode, the core cpu uses SPI mode (it has to due to the wiring) |
| 00:01:58 | spotUP | thanx. |
| 00:02:19 | petur | amiconn: so I just do the initial filesize read in main.c and thus have it scanned on every boot... |
| 00:02:28 | roolku | spotUP: okay (still compiling though) |
| 00:02:29 | amiconn | So if we want to allow accessing a plugged MMC via usb directly after boot, rockbox *must* not access the MMC before |
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| 00:03:24 | amiconn | Bootfile detection would be possible, because that's only ever on the internal flash which also acts as an MMC but does have a reset line |
| 00:04:08 | amiconn | But for safety reasons we should stay away from accessing the disk before it gets a chance to go into usb mode |
| 00:04:22 | petur | ok ok got the message |
| 00:04:56 | amiconn | I'm not sure, but I tend to think this bootfile change detection should go |
| 00:05:21 | petur | I'm thinking of moving it into default_event_handler_ex() |
| 00:06:02 | spotUP | roolku, ok cool. what was the size limit for the mod plugin? i mean for the mods. i heard it couldn't load big mods. i read that the limit was 1.7mb in mikmodule, same for this one? very few mods are bigger than 1.7mb, i bet no-one is, as the amiga1200 only had 2mb chipmem. |
| 00:06:08 | amiconn | Currently the browser handles it, and doing it there has the advantage of no *extra* disk access |
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| 00:06:47 | petur | well that implementation was borked and then broken by root_menu |
| 00:06:57 | spotUP | petur, are you from sweden? |
| 00:07:01 | amiconn | ...but this way it only detects the change when browsing the dir where it resides |
| 00:07:05 | petur | nope .be |
| 00:07:10 | roolku | spotUP: much smaller I am afraid: 486kbyte |
| 00:07:29 | spotUP | aha. petur is not that common a name, so, i thought i'd ask. you never know. :) |
| 00:08:10 | petur | amiconn: I currently do the initial size scan in main() and then the check in root_menu() - seems to work ok |
| 00:08:14 | spotUP | roolku ok. why? how much ram does ipods have? hehe and sorry for throwing out so many questions. i am new to this. i have only had my ipod for some days. |
| 00:08:24 | roolku | spotUP: it would require some changes in the codec API to use the audio buffer |
| 00:08:38 | amiconn | petur: Maybe, but it requires extra disk accesses this way |
| 00:08:40 | spotUP | oh. so it's a rockbox thing then. |
| 00:08:45 | roolku | spotUP: currently it can only use the codec buffer |
| 00:08:47 | amiconn | I don't think it's worth that |
| 00:08:59 | spotUP | roolku, any plans on making those changes? |
| 00:09:03 | linuxstb | spotUP: With the current buffering, the MOD file isn't guaranteed to be contiguous in the audio buffer - the audio buffer is a ringbuffer. |
| 00:09:25 | spotUP | aha |
| 00:09:36 | petur | that's why I would rather only do this before and after usb connect |
| 00:10:06 | roolku | linuxstb: would it be an acceptable compromise to force a re-buffer (by seeking to the start) when a wrap is detected? |
| 00:10:22 | * | spotUP listens with big ears |
| 00:10:28 | roolku | linuxstb: provided the file is shorter than half the available ram |
| 00:11:01 | linuxstb | I'm not sure that would guarantee a rebuffer. |
| 00:11:37 | spotUP | oh, btw roolku, if you wanna hear mine and friends mods, visit the homepage of our amiga demogroup at http://www.uprough.net :) |
| 00:11:58 | spotUP | we are among the few still keeping it real in protracker haha |
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| 00:12:06 | roolku | linuxstb: from experience I would say it does, but I would try and confirm it from the source |
| 00:12:42 | TheSphinX^ | is it currently normal that after I played some mod's that the following mp3's are skipping? |
| 00:13:40 | linuxstb | roolku: But regarding your suggested hack, I think there's quite a strong feeling in Rockbox that temporary hacks should be avoided. |
| 00:14:02 | linuxstb | Which is why things like album art aren't in SVN. |
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| 00:14:20 | roolku | yes, I got the same impression |
| 00:15:08 | roolku | maybe the MOB could have an option where certain file types are to be loaded as a continious block |
| 00:15:17 | roolku | spotUP: here it comes |
| 00:16:19 | linuxstb | It's not really related to MOB, but it does require that very rare person - someone who understands the playback engine. |
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| 00:17:42 | BigMac | ANy gigabeat users about? |
| 00:18:06 | roolku | BigMac: yup |
| 00:18:33 | BigMac | roolku: Mind joining #gigabeat for some questions |
| 00:18:43 | BigMac | don't want to spam here up |
| 00:20:31 | roolku | spotUP: Just had a look at your site - which mod would you suggest I should try? :) |
| 00:21:01 | spotUP | mmm m mm check your dick :) |
| 00:21:14 | spotUP | or . .. .. . or the to be in love remix |
| 00:21:44 | spotUP | roolku thanx for the new build! |
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| 00:28:41 | roolku | spotUP: where do I find it? I am looking under music? |
| 00:29:11 | TheSphinX^ | roolku on the mainpage i saw it http://www.uprough.net/music/083-check-your-dick/ |
| 00:29:20 | petur | amiconn: in case you're interested, this is what I made of it so far: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6938 |
| 00:31:23 | spotUP | roolku.. |
| 00:31:29 | spotUP | i'll give you links |
| 00:31:29 | spotUP | w8 |
| 00:32:03 | spotUP | roolku here: |
| 00:32:05 | spotUP | http://www.uprough.net/music/083-check-your-dick/ |
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| 00:32:25 | spotUP | http://www.uprough.net/music/071-to-be-in-love-ameega-roots-remix/ |
| 00:36:18 | spotUP | it's getting late. gotta go to bed. thanx again roolku. bye! |
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| 00:38:17 | petur | brrr... 6 comments on a new patch in less than 10 minutes... |
| 00:38:26 | TheSphinX^ | hehe :D |
| 00:39:51 | petur | TheSphinX^: what do you mean with 'There are some irc-discussions how to detect etc.' ? |
| 00:39:57 | bluebrother | strange comment by ColdSphinx |
| 00:40:35 | bluebrother | "Rockbox should detect" −− it does, it's currently broken and the patch addresses it. |
| 00:40:48 | TheSphinX^ | bluebrother: am i right that you speak german? |
| 00:40:48 | bluebrother | I don't understand what this comment is supposed to tell ... |
| 00:40:52 | bluebrother | yes. |
| 00:41:40 | TheSphinX^ | dann kann ich dir ja sagen das ich kurz vorm einschlafen bin und mein englisch gerade immer stärker gegen null geht |
| 00:41:49 | petur | hahaha |
| 00:41:56 | petur | go sleep then |
| 00:42:06 | TheSphinX^ | good night |
| 00:42:13 | bluebrother | TheSphinX^, hehe. But if you want to talk german please PM me |
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| 00:42:22 | bluebrother | as this channel is english |
| 00:42:30 | bluebrother | Gute Nacht. |
| 00:43:03 | TheSphinX^ | i didn't know how to explain the whole sentence in english |
| 00:43:10 | TheSphinX^ | night |
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| 00:43:30 | petur | strange... root_menu.* has different line-endings than the other files here |
| 00:43:36 | bluebrother | it has? |
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| 00:43:53 | petur | must be some svn property |
| 00:44:18 | bluebrother | file tells me nothing about DOS line endings here. |
| 00:44:32 | petur | see... it misses svn:eol-style = native |
| 00:44:42 | bluebrother | maybe you checked out parts using Tortoise and others using cygwin svn? |
| 00:44:43 | petur | and revision |
| 00:44:48 | petur | nope |
| 00:45:11 | bluebrother | hmm. Aren't text files svn:eol-style = native per default? |
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| 00:45:32 | petur | root_menu.* have no properties set at all |
| 00:46:25 | bluebrother | right ... never noticed that |
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| 00:48:16 | petur | oh fun, tortoise crashed on me :/ |
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| 01:01:15 | petur | heh... crashing tortoise made me think of a discworld book about crashing tortoises, and then I see the quit msg of ender` quoting from another discworld book :) |
| 01:02:31 | hcs | that was from hitchhiker's guide |
| 01:02:39 | hcs | (to the galaxy) |
| 01:02:46 | petur | hmmm is it? damn memory :( |
| 01:03:48 | midgey | hcs: is there a reason that spc has a genre hack but nsf does not? |
| 01:03:58 | hcs | midgey: nope |
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| 01:04:38 | hcs | just never did it, same reason it is using a lot of division for fade but SPC has a decrememnter |
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| 01:04:54 | midgey | ah ok :) |
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| 01:36:26 | H10_007quick | May I have wiki write privilages? |
| 01:36:41 | petur | sure, wiki name please |
| 01:36:48 | H10_007quick | The H10 port needs updating |
| 01:36:53 | H10_007quick | NathanHepting |
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| 01:38:35 | petur | H10_007quick: done |
| 01:38:45 | H10_007quick | Thankyou |
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| 01:50:45 | Llorean | H10_007quick: Why did you put "how to compile" type stuff on the H10PortDevInfo page? |
| 01:51:12 | H10_007quick | It was there already, I just edited a few things since it was there |
| 01:51:29 | H10_007quick | Made it SVN instead of CVS etc |
| 01:51:43 | Llorean | H10_007quick: You added a whole "Build a Rockbox Bootloader" section |
| 01:51:51 | H10_007quick | nope |
| 01:51:57 | H10_007quick | that was there |
| 01:52:09 | midgey | he just changed CVS to SVN i think.... |
| 01:52:23 | Llorean | Oh, the diff thing is just not being friendly |
| 01:52:28 | Llorean | Looked at the old revision manually |
| 01:52:31 | Soap | how bad is an error like "thread.c:67: warning: 'cores_locked' defined but not used" |
| 01:52:39 | Llorean | That's a very silly page, there's way too much repeated information from the standard pages. |
| 01:52:46 | H10_007quick | I added "(Note: Those with the H10 MTP version must run ../tools/scramble -mi4v3 bootloader/bootloader.bin H10.mi4 in order to get a proper bootloader)" |
| 01:52:46 | Llorean | Soap: It's a warning. |
| 01:53:11 | Soap | you are saying, as opposed to an error? |
| 01:53:16 | Llorean | Soap: Yep. |
| 01:53:21 | H10_007quick | Llorean: anything wrong with that? |
| 01:53:23 | petur | more like a reminder that this needs to be addressed |
| 01:53:26 | Llorean | Soap: Warnings, in theory, aren't necessarily bad at all. |
| 01:53:27 | Soap | yes, I see now looking up I mixed my terms. |
| 01:53:44 | Llorean | H10_007quick: Yes, it once more suggests to inattentive viewers that "These processes are different for the H10, so we have to tell you how here" |
| 01:54:01 | H10_007quick | ? |
| 01:54:29 | H10_007quick | Probably that page should be removed anyways |
| 01:54:44 | H10_007quick | Or most of it |
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| 01:55:37 | H10_007quick | Llorean: I still fail to see that I did anything wrong though (point it out and I will get rid of it!) |
| 01:55:48 | Llorean | H10_007quick: You didn't. |
| 01:56:00 | Llorean | H10_007quick: The "Diff" function made it look like you added a bunch of stuff that you didn't |
| 01:56:01 | H10_007quick | ok |
| 01:56:10 | Llorean | My complaint is now against the original page, not you. :) |
| 01:56:18 | H10_007quick | Same here |
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| 01:56:26 | H10_007quick | Should I try to clean it up in the future? |
| 01:57:05 | Llorean | It really doesn't need a lot of that stuff. Anything that's explained properly somewhere else, like how to compile a bootloader or install Rockbox's bootloader, should just reference the standard guide. |
| 01:57:34 | Llorean | The problem with writing the same stuff on a single-player page, is that it suggests that it's somehow "different" instead of just being repeated information. |
| 01:57:41 | Soap | (or the standard guide should be improved if it is found lacking.) |
| 01:57:47 | petur | hmmm did rockbox.org just go down? |
| 01:58:37 | H10_007quick | nope |
| 01:59:16 | petur | can't ping or browse it :( |
| 01:59:35 | linuxstb | petur: Works fine here... |
| 01:59:40 | petur | ah... back again |
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| 02:03:11 | * | petur adds another rolo fix proposal and heads off to bed |
| 02:03:18 | pearldiver | Llorean is there any significant difference between encoding with winFF and vlc? |
| 02:03:35 | Llorean | pearldiver: WinFF seems more tolerant |
| 02:03:40 | kkurbjun | thanks for that Llorean |
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| 02:04:13 | Llorean | pearldiver: WinFF will fix files with not-quite-perfect 29.976 to the right ratio, while VLC will just not encode a video stream unless you add -fps 29.976023 to the command line |
| 02:04:43 | pearldiver | but quality wise they are basically the same i guess since the same encoder used |
| 02:05:31 | Llorean | 99.9% of quality will depend on your source file and your settings |
| 02:05:42 | Llorean | But ffmpeg is a solid set of encoders. |
| 02:06:28 | pearldiver | i noticed in the winFF encoding window some notice about error in the code build? |
| 02:06:34 | pearldiver | codec |
| 02:06:52 | pearldiver | maybe im hallucinating |
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| 02:07:11 | Llorean | pearldiver: That's not important |
| 02:07:45 | Llorean | Though if you'd like you can find a newer version of ffmpeg.exe and replace the one there with a properly compiled one |
| 02:07:58 | pearldiver | i see |
| 02:08:00 | Llorean | I had to do that because the one with WinFF wouldn't do H264 for some other tests I was running. |
| 02:09:02 | pearldiver | oh could you upload it somewhere? |
| 02:09:13 | pearldiver | i was about to do some h.264 encoding |
| 02:09:26 | Llorean | pearldiver: I got it from here: http://ffdshow.faireal.net/mirror/ffmpeg/ |
| 02:09:43 | Llorean | It'll mention a missing .dll possibly. Google that .dll and you'll find a .z7 of it at the same host. |
| 02:09:50 | pearldiver | thanks |
| 02:09:58 | linuxstb | pearldiver: Did you report problems with mpegplayer dropping too many frames? |
| 02:10:03 | pearldiver | nope |
| 02:10:07 | pearldiver | mine was always perfect |
| 02:10:38 | linuxstb | So it wasn't dropping frames at all? |
| 02:11:18 | pearldiver | i watched about 6 different videos so far |
| 02:11:28 | * | Llorean is still impressed mpegplayer handled an 60fps file comfortably |
| 02:11:32 | pearldiver | after that little sync fix everything was perfect |
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| 02:23:24 | webguest95 | sup |
| 02:23:35 | webguest95 | yo who know about sansas |
| 02:23:42 | webguest95 | i need some help |
| 02:24:09 | webguest95 | HELL |
| 02:24:13 | Nico_P | webguest95: ask the question, someone who knows the answer might read it |
| 02:24:20 | webguest95 | ok |
| 02:24:27 | Llorean | webguest95: And have patience, nobody gets paid to help you, and people are often busy in here. |
| 02:24:40 | webguest95 | my sansa messup form fromating |
| 02:24:45 | webguest95 | formating |
| 02:25:08 | webguest95 | my computer sunndly shut off so it said 0 memory |
| 02:25:23 | webguest95 | i had to free up 6 mb for music db |
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| 02:25:50 | webguest95 | and i used the sansa E200 tool in recovery mode and now my sansa wont start up |
| 02:25:54 | webguest95 | ok |
| 02:25:58 | webguest95 | dats it |
| 02:26:24 | pearldiver | Llorean are there any useful command line parameters for winFF? |
| 02:26:40 | webguest95 | see nobody talkin |
| 02:26:42 | Llorean | pearldiver: Not for WinFF, but for ffmpeg which you put in that box at the bottom |
| 02:26:51 | webguest95 | i need help PLZ |
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| 02:26:56 | Llorean | webguest95: HAVE PATIENCE. |
| 02:26:58 | pearldiver | thats what i meant |
| 02:27:02 | webguest95 | ok |
| 02:27:05 | Llorean | webguest95: There's no guarantee anyone here can help you |
| 02:27:18 | linuxstb | webguest95: Have you seen this page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick |
| 02:27:18 | Llorean | webguest95: There's also the fact that you didn't actually tell exactly what you did. "Used e200tool" doesn't mean much on its own |
| 02:27:30 | Llorean | pearldiver: Gimme just a second, I can give you all the options |
| 02:27:43 | Llorean | pearldiver: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9604.0;attach=1644 |
| 02:27:58 | webguest95 | i use it and i let it go for an min |
| 02:28:29 | Llorean | But e200tool isn't meant to be used with the Sansa's Recovery Mode. It's meant to be used when the Sansa is in manufacturing mode. |
| 02:28:31 | webguest95 | and my computer was going crazy so now the scrool wheel is only working |
| 02:28:42 | webguest95 | wat is manufaction |
| 02:28:44 | webguest95 | mode |
| 02:28:54 | webguest95 | dat s my other question |
| 02:28:59 | pearldiver | Llorean thats nice, thanks |
| 02:29:00 | webguest95 | how do u go to it |
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| 02:29:22 | Llorean | webguest95: Is there any way you could attempt to use real words? It's getting a pain to read what you say, especially since you seem to end lines at random intervals. |
| 02:29:28 | webguest95 | ok |
| 02:29:30 | Llorean | webguest95: Also, try reading the page linuxstb linked to you. |
| 02:29:40 | webguest95 | what is Manufaction mode |
| 02:29:47 | webguest95 | sorry for my spelling |
| 02:30:01 | Llorean | webguest95: Again, for the last time, try reading the page linuxstb linked you to. |
| 02:30:09 | webguest95 | How do you get to it |
| 02:30:09 | webguest95 | ok |
| 02:30:10 | linuxstb | webguest95: And also this page - http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200.html |
| 02:30:16 | saratoga | manufacturing mode is one of the last chances you get to fix the sansa before you have a paperweight i think |
| 02:30:28 | Llorean | saratoga: Actually, there's one even more last chance. |
| 02:30:37 | Llorean | saratoga: But I believe that's a mode it takes itself to when nothing else will work. |
| 02:31:15 | smably | is adding menu options considered bad form? |
| 02:31:17 | saratoga | yeah i can't keep the sansa straight |
| 02:31:31 | saratoga | i'll have to pickup one of those eventually |
| 02:31:35 | webguest95 | but hold on my sansa in device mananger is detected as MTP device |
| 02:31:35 | Llorean | saratoga: Yeah, there are too many "modes" |
| 02:31:56 | Llorean | smably: What do you mean? |
| 02:32:19 | linuxstb | smably: Adding unnecessary menu options is bad... |
| 02:33:03 | pearldiver | Llorean what modes does the strict command keeps exactly? |
| 02:33:12 | smably | Llorean: i remember people saying stuff about settings bloat before or something −− basically, i'm wondering what people would think of committing FS #6831 :) |
| 02:33:23 | webguest95 | Is there any bottons to press to get to manufaction mode |
| 02:34:01 | Llorean | pearldiver: If you don't have -strict -1, you can't use the 10, 12, or 15fps rates. |
| 02:34:08 | pearldiver | gotcha |
| 02:34:18 | Llorean | pearldiver: Technically speaking they aren't part of the MPEG standard, I believe, but they're supported very widely despite that. |
| 02:34:44 | saratoga | webguest95: check the link linuxstb posted above |
| 02:34:47 | saratoga | its all in there |
| 02:34:51 | Llorean | smably: I'm against it, as bloat. |
| 02:34:58 | saratoga | and you should probably read that entire page before even trying any of this |
| 02:35:01 | smably | ok |
| 02:35:06 | webguest95 | can i talk to you private |
| 02:35:22 | Llorean | smably: I personally haven't bothered to set my RTC on the Gigabeat, since I don't care, and I'd hate to be annoyed by a prompt every. :) |
| 02:35:44 | Llorean | webguest95: Why haven't you read the pages linked to you? |
| 02:35:48 | linuxstb | smably: As mentioned on the patch tracker, it was discussed in IRC around the time the patch was posted. You should be able to find the discussion in the logs. |
| 02:36:00 | webguest95 | I DID |
| 02:36:02 | pearldiver | Llorean have you tried the 2 passes mode? does it improve anything? |
| 02:36:11 | smably | Llorean: well, that's why it's off by default |
| 02:36:18 | smably | linuxstb: ok, thanks. i'll have a look. |
| 02:36:21 | webguest95 | I DONT KNOW HOW TO GET TO THE MANUFACTION MODE |
| 02:36:25 | linuxstb | webguest95: The second page I linked you to tells you that. |
| 02:36:30 | Llorean | webguest95: Not well enough, the second one linuxstb links tells how to get into Manufacturing mode. |
| 02:36:44 | webguest95 | give it to me again |
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| 02:36:50 | Llorean | webguest95: Scroll up |
| 02:36:52 | webguest95 | ok |
| 02:36:58 | webguest95 | |
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| 02:37:11 | webguest95 | can you tell me the second link |
| 02:37:13 | Llorean | webguest95: If you can't follow documentation, you will NOT be able to follow it exactly enough to save your Sansa. So learn how to read carefully now, before the mistakes can brick your player. |
| 02:37:26 | Llorean | pearldiver: I haven't tried it yet. |
| 02:37:34 | pearldiver | let me try it |
| 02:37:35 | saratoga | seriously, you've already nearly destroyed your player, this is sort of your last chance |
| 02:38:04 | saratoga | stop trying to fix it for a couple minutes and read through all the pages until you understand the process, its not that complicated, but if you do the wrong thing, you'll lose your sansa |
| 02:38:05 | Llorean | pearldiver: I was considering adding 2-pass presets for the Gigabeat, since I think it's the only one with a high framerate and big enough visual area to even possibly benefit from the increased encode time |
| 02:38:56 | pearldiver | is there a way to hardcode the subtitles from the command line? |
| 02:39:02 | Llorean | smably: I don't think it's a "bad" patch, I just don't think it's necessary. If you've flipped the power switch, you know your time is wrong. |
| 02:39:13 | Llorean | pearldiver: I believe so, see that long list of options, it has subtitle ones. |
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| 02:39:30 | pearldiver | im looking at it right now, i see only few for subs |
| 02:39:30 | saratoga | wow the sansa is down to 160 USD shipped |
| 02:39:39 | saratoga | for the 8GB |
| 02:39:49 | pearldiver | saratoga F40 is $100 shipped :P |
| 02:39:58 | saratoga | yeah i know |
| 02:40:00 | pearldiver | 40GB :)) |
| 02:40:01 | saratoga | thats also tempting |
| 02:40:19 | saratoga | but i've already got an ipod |
| 02:40:22 | Llorean | pearldiver: The Sansa has a lot more potential functionality |
| 02:40:25 | saratoga | so i'm leaning towards flash |
| 02:40:44 | pearldiver | Llorean i wasnt really keen on the feel/looks of it |
| 02:40:50 | Llorean | pearldiver: I really haven't tried subtitles, so I dunno. I didn't see many options, but I don't know how many you need. |
| 02:41:02 | Llorean | The Sansa feels quite solid to me, which I like |
| 02:41:09 | pearldiver | Llorean well just the basic one to recognize and hardcode them |
| 02:41:15 | Llorean | It's fairly small, but still has a very nice looking screen, and includes FM Radio and internal mic recording. |
| 02:41:38 | pearldiver | -newsubtitle |
| 02:41:42 | pearldiver | i guess this one |
| 02:41:49 | smably | Llorean: true; the purpose of this patch is convenience, though, so you don't have to wade through the menu every time the RTC gets reset |
| 02:41:55 | saratoga | is it actually usable in Rockbox yet? |
| 02:41:59 | Domonoky | if someone wants to try the new rbutil version without wizards: www.b23.org/~domonoky/rbutil.zip <- win32 binary |
| 02:42:02 | saratoga | or at least nice to use in rockbox |
| 02:42:31 | Llorean | pearldiver: Actually, it may not be able to overlay subtitles for you. That one seems like it's more for adding subtitles into the container for formats that support separate subtitles. |
| 02:42:33 | smably | *is so |
| 02:42:48 | Llorean | saratoga: No recording features working on the Sansa yet, I believe. |
| 02:42:50 | pearldiver | Llorean hmm yeah |
| 02:42:51 | Nico_P | does anyone have an idea why my latest commit was eaten by the build page ? |
| 02:43:04 | Nico_P | Domonoky: have you seen my rbutil patch ? |
| 02:43:11 | Domonoky | yes.. |
| 02:43:13 | Llorean | smably: Yes, but the RTC should get reset so rarely that it's a very very small addition to convenience. |
| 02:43:16 | saratoga | hows playback though? i saw theres patches for the screen and volume issues |
| 02:43:22 | saratoga | but is it stable? |
| 02:43:40 | Llorean | saratoga: Not perfect yet, they're still working out the proper settings for the hardware. |
| 02:43:48 | saratoga | yeah i've been following it |
| 02:43:57 | Domonoky | Nico_P: now wizards anymore, so also no cancel message :-) |
| 02:44:05 | Domonoky | now=no |
| 02:44:12 | Nico_P | Domonoky: cool |
| 02:44:18 | Nico_P | I hated these messages |
| 02:44:31 | tsuyoshi | rockbox has some clicks in the audio on sansa |
| 02:44:37 | tsuyoshi | kind of annoying |
| 02:44:43 | smably | Llorean: heh, okay. consensus last time this discussed seemed to be that this would be annoying, because it would show up too often (that's why i made it optional, and off by default) |
| 02:44:48 | Llorean | smably: Basically, once everything's "working", a user should never have to reset their RTC because they should never have to switch off or remove the battery, right? |
| 02:44:49 | Domonoky | i will commit this in a few days, and the insert the sansapatcher.. |
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| 02:45:20 | smably | Llorean: well, apparently on archos targets, the RTC gets reset every time you replace the batteries, which can be quite frequently |
| 02:45:20 | tsuyoshi | aside from the audio quality I like it better than the sandisk firmware |
| 02:45:21 | saratoga | theres a patch for the glitches |
| 02:45:22 | saratoga | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6908 |
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| 02:45:28 | webguest95 | Yo can any body give me their screen name for AIM so i can get my sansa |
| 02:45:31 | Llorean | smably: It can be quite frequently, but that's user choice. |
| 02:45:33 | tsuyoshi | which isn't saying much cuz the sandisk firmware really sucks |
| 02:45:46 | Llorean | smably: Many people charge their batteries externally |
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| 02:46:39 | Llorean | smably: I just don't like the idea of increasing the binary size at all, for an option that is irrelevant for the majority of users, and only fixes a problem for people who choose to charge their battery externally AND want to use the RTC. |
| 02:47:01 | Llorean | smably: I wouldn't mind if when the RTC was invalid, when you entered the setting screen the first time the value shows was the current build date/time though |
| 02:47:12 | Llorean | Just, no popup, no options, no anything else, to me. |
| 02:47:23 | smably | Llorean: okay, that's reasonable (the binary size argument) |
| 02:47:52 | Llorean | smably: Binary size is *very* tight for Archoses, and we're already past one of the "too big" points. :) |
| 02:48:22 | Llorean | webguest95: Seriously, if you can't follow the directions as written, you ARE going to make things worse when you try it. It's not a simple process. |
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| 02:49:04 | Llorean | saratoga: I hear good things about that patch, haven't tried it yet. |
| 02:49:38 | smably | Llorean: okay, fair enough. i definitely agree that the values should be initialized to the build date...or at the very least, the year should be 2007 by default, instead of 2000 :) |
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| 02:51:34 | webguest95 | I NEED SERious HELP |
| 02:51:51 | webguest95 | TELL ME THE STEPS FOR DOING THIS |
| 02:51:54 | Llorean | webguest95: Please, stop shouting. |
| 02:51:56 | Soap | Then please type like a serious individual. No excessive usage of caps. |
| 02:52:00 | webguest95 | ok |
| 02:52:12 | webguest95 | tell me the steps |
| 02:52:38 | Llorean | webguest95: Why won't you read the existing documentation on it? |
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| 02:53:04 | webguest95 | iam i dont get it is it this website |
| 02:53:06 | webguest95 | hold on |
| 02:53:16 | webguest95 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick#Manufacturing_Mode |
| 02:53:23 | webguest95 | is it that |
| 02:53:41 | linuxstb | webguest95: This is the link you ignored earlier - http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200.html |
| 02:54:18 | Llorean | webguest95: I'm 100% serious when I say, if you can't be careful enough to follow and read thoroughly the links you're given, there is a very, very good chance you will just make your Sansa worse. |
| 02:54:19 | pearldiver | Llorean looks like ffmpeg X has this option built it |
| 02:54:28 | Llorean | pearldiver: Which option? |
| 02:54:34 | pearldiver | to embed subtitles |
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| 02:55:32 | Llorean | pearldiver: I thought subtitles for ffmpegX required external mencoder support |
| 02:55:59 | linuxstb | pearldiver: Are you not confusing it with separate subtitle streams - e.g. like DVDs have. |
| 02:56:36 | pearldiver | no, just regular .srt, etc files |
| 02:56:54 | kkurbjun | what is the purpose/expected output of the ata_is_coldstart function? |
| 02:57:59 | webguest95 | yea do i do it in command prompt |
| 02:58:00 | pearldiver | and yes, they're using mencoder for that |
| 02:58:38 | Llorean | webguest95: The windows version doesn't work, you'll need to use linux. |
| 02:58:45 | webguest95 | but i cant get into recovery mode |
| 02:58:45 | * | linuxstb didn't spot the "X" in pearldiver's question |
| 02:58:52 | webguest95 | how do i do that |
| 02:58:58 | Llorean | pearldiver: So that's outside the purpose of WinFF, which is just a front end for ffmpeg. |
| 02:59:09 | webguest95 | can you tell me |
| 02:59:11 | saratoga | theres instructions for recovery mode in the above link |
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| 02:59:16 | linuxstb | webguest95: The instructions on that page didn't work? |
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| 02:59:20 | saratoga | what happens when you try them |
| 02:59:24 | webguest95 | no |
| 02:59:34 | Llorean | webguest95: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8443.0 |
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| 03:02:46 | Llorean | linuxstb: I commented on the "mpegplayer crashes on exit" task, it's perfectly reliable on my gigabeat, but I think it hangs the second core right now (since some recent threading changes) because I get a freeze when I try to play my second file. |
| 03:04:17 | pearldiver | Llorean hmm trying to encode now. encoding window pops up with |
| 03:04:18 | pearldiver | E:\Program Files\WinFF>pause |
| 03:04:18 | pearldiver | Press any key to continue . . . |
| 03:04:24 | pearldiver | and thats about it |
| 03:04:31 | linuxstb | Llorean: OK, thanks. I'm not really paying much attention to that bug yet. |
| 03:04:35 | * | linuxstb sleeps |
| 03:04:45 | Llorean | linuxstb: Just wanted to let you know it wasn't present until very recently |
| 03:05:00 | Llorean | linuxstb: The "old-sync-code" build I had didn't demonstrate it, and my Gigabeat doesn't do it. |
| 03:05:32 | Llorean | pearldiver: Um, I'm not sure what you mean by that, you've said that without any context. |
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| 03:06:12 | pearldiver | ok, i click the Start Converting button |
| 03:06:27 | pearldiver | window pops up with the whole command line that looks OK to me |
| 03:06:35 | pearldiver | followed by what i posted |
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| 03:06:51 | Llorean | Are you using one of the presets, or did you try changing something? |
| 03:06:58 | pearldiver | just the preset |
| 03:07:11 | Llorean | Paste your whole console output to a pastebin, for me. |
| 03:07:18 | pearldiver | hold on |
| 03:08:23 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:09:16 | webguest95 | What does Manufaction Mode Looks like |
| 03:09:33 | saratoga | matlab is pretty much the worst programming language i've ever used |
| 03:09:40 | saratoga | i have it so much |
| 03:09:43 | saratoga | hate |
| 03:09:52 | Llorean | webguest95: Screen is off, just the wheel lights up. |
| 03:10:10 | webguest95 | And After That What Do I Do |
| 03:10:28 | webguest95 | I PUT THE Files |
| 03:10:39 | Llorean | webguest95: Please, READ |
| 03:10:48 | webguest95 | i dont get it |
| 03:10:57 | Llorean | webguest95: Then stop, and re-read, carefully |
| 03:11:03 | webguest95 | can i get your aim adress |
| 03:11:04 | Llorean | webguest95: Especially the forum thread I gave you. |
| 03:11:08 | Llorean | Several people are talked through it there. |
| 03:11:09 | Llorean | And no. |
| 03:11:09 | webguest95 | ok |
| 03:11:29 | Llorean | As I said, if the instructions are too complicated, there's a good chance you aren't ready to do it yet. |
| 03:11:36 | Llorean | DO NOT RUSH THIS |
| 03:11:47 | webguest95 | ok |
| 03:12:13 | Llorean | Would you rather spend 4 or 5 hours making sure you've read everything and are 100% ready, then have a working Sansa, or just try to do it as soon as you "think" you have the right idea, and then never use your Sansa again? |
| 03:12:20 | Llorean | Because you keep trying for #2 |
| 03:12:36 | tsuyoshi | so how hard is it to brick a sansa? |
| 03:12:53 | Llorean | tsuyoshi: In theory it's possible. |
| 03:13:11 | tsuyoshi | so, not easy? |
| 03:13:24 | Llorean | tsuyoshi: And there might be some people who've done it, but nobody's ever reported not being able to get *any* of the last-ditch modes to load, they've just been unable to recover from those modes so far. |
| 03:13:49 | Llorean | Usually what happens with the Sansa is that users give up on being able to fix it, because it's not an easy process after a certain point |
| 03:14:15 | Llorean | But then to get that point, you have to get the install instructions wrong, then get the recovery instructions extra extra wrong, just as a start. |
| 03:14:15 | webguest95 | do i hold the center the botton |
| 03:14:26 | Llorean | webguest95: Stop asking questions, read the whole thread. |
| 03:14:29 | webguest95 | the whole time |
| 03:14:47 | pearldiver | Llorean |
| 03:14:48 | pearldiver | http://paste.uni.cc/14182 |
| 03:15:26 | Llorean | pearldiver: Go into the WinFF folder in the command prompt, and just execute ffmpeg.exe and see what happens. |
| 03:16:05 | pearldiver | ah yes, that above mentioned dll |
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| 03:18:06 | pearldiver | ok, further problems |
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| 03:18:38 | borisyaltsin | hi, how's the sansa stuff coming? Anything new in the last week? |
| 03:19:39 | Llorean | pearldiver: What kind this time? |
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| 03:20:15 | pearldiver | http://paste.uni.cc/14183 |
| 03:21:09 | Llorean | pearldiver: You can't do -pass 2 without doing -pass 1 first |
| 03:21:17 | Llorean | -pass 2 means you're processing the second of 2 passes |
| 03:21:24 | pearldiver | aha |
| 03:21:59 | pearldiver | yes, works now |
| 03:23:19 | pearldiver | so to do 2nd pass, i need to open the converted file? |
| 03:23:25 | pearldiver | or still the original? |
| 03:23:30 | Llorean | pearldiver: No clue. :) |
| 03:23:33 | pearldiver | haha |
| 03:24:39 | Llorean | pearldiver: http://www.transcoding.org/cgi-bin/transcode?FFmpeg_Vs._Mpeg2enc by the way |
| 03:25:19 | smably | so, would people be willing to commit FS #6939? :) |
| 03:26:08 | Llorean | pearldiver: My *guess* would be the original file, though |
| 03:26:26 | Llorean | pearldiver: Or you'd need to re-pick the output directory so that the file doesn't get overwritten by its newly writing self |
| 03:26:52 | pearldiver | i see |
| 03:27:33 | Llorean | As for that page I linked, be aware that the TMPGenc output belongs in the right column, but I guess the guy was lazy. |
| 03:27:44 | Llorean | It looks like 2-pass provides a significant benefit at higher bitrates at least |
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| 03:29:48 | webguest95 | i need serious help |
| 03:30:19 | webguest95 | ok where do i put it |
| 03:30:39 | webguest95 | its doesnt tell me a certain place to put them |
| 03:30:48 | webguest95 | i put it on sansa |
| 03:30:55 | webguest95 | or command prompt |
| 03:30:59 | Llorean | webguest95: Please, just read ALL the instructions. |
| 03:31:03 | Llorean | webguest95: You need to be using Linux |
| 03:31:06 | pearldiver | Llorean yes you just add -pass 2 and do original/same dir encoding again |
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| 03:31:10 | pearldiver | im doing it now |
| 03:31:23 | webguest95 | ok can i get back to windows vista |
| 03:31:39 | Llorean | webguest95: If you use a liveCD, yes. |
| 03:31:51 | webguest95 | tell me the website to get linix |
| 03:32:00 | Llorean | webguest95: Read the thread, and learn to use google. |
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| 03:37:17 | saratoga | Llorean: sounds like you could use a beer :) |
| 03:37:45 | BigMac | what is the limit on file length for videos now? |
| 03:37:48 | Llorean | saratoga: I could use a user who doesn't seem to actively WANT to destroy his files. |
| 03:38:00 | Llorean | BigMac: Whatever the limitation of your filesystem. :) |
| 03:38:26 | BigMac | Llorean: Really? I thought it was somewhere around ten minutes a week ago |
| 03:39:01 | Llorean | BigMac: Rebuffering was added... |
| 03:39:13 | BigMac | Ok |
| 03:39:22 | Llorean | BigMac: I assumed you were asking relative to rebuffering being added, because otherwise the answer would still be "however much RAM you have free" |
| 03:41:15 | Llorean | pearldiver: I suspect that at 600kbps there's not much to be gained by two-pass on the Gigabeat's screen, though it might help with high action sequences |
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| 03:43:22 | saratoga | anyone here good with ARM assembly ? |
| 03:44:37 | tsuyoshi | I'm not good but I'm somewhat familiar with it |
| 03:45:44 | saratoga | can you really shift the result of an arthimatic operation in one instruction on the arm7 parts? |
| 03:46:35 | saratoga | I.E. is (x+y)<<2 a single op ? |
| 03:46:50 | tsuyoshi | uhh I think so |
| 03:46:51 | tsuyoshi | let me check |
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| 03:52:06 | tsuyoshi | uhh actually it seems you can't |
| 03:52:25 | tsuyoshi | x+(y<<2) is possible but not (x+y)<<2 |
| 03:52:52 | saratoga | so you can only scale the inputs? |
| 03:52:59 | oblib | Any nano experts here? I have been trying to figure out why car adapter mode is disabled. Is the GPIO different than on the ipod video, has it just not been tested, or some other reason? |
| 03:53:39 | saratoga | the more i look at this whole fixed point thing, the sillier ARM seems for it |
| 03:53:50 | saratoga | wonder why they didn't include hardware to do stuff like this |
| 03:54:16 | saratoga | would only take a few muxes to shift rescale the output of the alu |
| 03:54:53 | Llorean | oblib: It's entirely possible it just didn't get enabled. |
| 03:55:25 | oblib | Llorean, do you know what else is enabled if I turn on CONFIG_CHARGING that might cause problems in the nano? |
| 03:55:55 | Llorean | oblib: No clue, I suppose just test it and see if anything seems funny |
| 03:56:10 | oblib | like smoke coming out the top? :) |
| 03:56:30 | Llorean | Nah, it shouldn't be able to cause hardware damage |
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| 03:57:35 | oblib | Llorean, yeah, I would hope not. I'm trying it right now, but I thought I would ask and see if anyone knew for sure. |
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| 04:00:26 | tsuyoshi | saratoga: you can scale one of the inputs |
| 04:00:32 | tsuyoshi | not both at the same time |
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| 04:01:08 | saratoga | i was thinking about scaling outout of operations that would shift the decimal point |
| 04:01:32 | Rcholla32 | Hello |
| 04:01:48 | Rcholla32 | how to unbrick a sansa |
| 04:02:05 | pearldiver | Llorean |
| 04:02:08 | Llorean | Rcholla32: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick |
| 04:02:09 | Rcholla32 | with manufaction mode |
| 04:02:10 | pearldiver | interesting result |
| 04:02:16 | Rcholla32 | ok |
| 04:02:42 | Llorean | Rcholla32: And I know it's the same person who was in here before. |
| 04:02:51 | Llorean | Rcholla32: You've already been answered several times now. |
| 04:02:58 | Llorean | pearldiver: Interesting? |
| 04:03:03 | Rcholla32 | what |
| 04:03:23 | pearldiver | well, video doesnt play anywhere except for vlc player (on PC) |
| 04:03:49 | pearldiver | everywhere else is just bunch of colorful blocks |
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| 04:04:24 | pearldiver | (native vlc encodes played everywhere for me) |
| 04:04:35 | Llorean | pearldiver: Maybe two-pass creates some sort of semi-non-standard file as well? |
| 04:04:59 | pearldiver | but the overall quality is very nice |
| 04:05:09 | pearldiver | going to try it on the player now |
| 04:05:11 | Llorean | pearldiver: 600kbps has pretty decent quality as it is. |
| 04:05:19 | Llorean | I'm watching Gladiator in it right now |
| 04:05:25 | pearldiver | yes it does, but now the blocking is even less |
| 04:05:41 | Llorean | If 2-pass works, 400kbps might be better then. |
| 04:05:52 | pearldiver | yes i was just thinking about that |
| 04:05:58 | Llorean | The lower the bitrate, the more consistent playback framerates will be, especially for full frame |
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| 04:09:11 | pearldiver | plays perfectly on the player |
| 04:09:18 | pearldiver | looks nice as well |
| 04:10:40 | pearldiver | bad idea to disable skip frames |
| 04:10:47 | Llorean | Very |
| 04:10:52 | pearldiver | it just went into slow motion and locked the player |
| 04:10:56 | Llorean | Locked? |
| 04:11:00 | Llorean | That's unusual |
| 04:11:01 | pearldiver | yeah |
| 04:11:06 | Rcholla32 | I need help agian |
| 04:11:07 | pearldiver | i cant press anything |
| 04:11:10 | Llorean | Also, what framerate was the file? |
| 04:11:22 | pearldiver | 29.97 |
| 04:11:29 | Llorean | Rcholla32: I expect you still haven't read the whole forum thread I referred you to earlier? |
| 04:11:33 | Llorean | pearldiver: 16:9 or 4:3? |
| 04:11:39 | pearldiver | 16:9 |
| 04:11:42 | Llorean | Hm |
| 04:11:54 | Llorean | 16:9 shouldn't need to skip frames very often at 29.97 |
| 04:12:00 | Rcholla32 | Oh My God |
| 04:12:24 | Rcholla32 | who knows how to fix a broken sansa |
| 04:12:48 | Llorean | Rcholla32: Please, stop repeating the same question over and over. You've been told how to do it, you just refuse to follow instructions |
| 04:12:58 | pearldiver | Llorean same thing happened to me once when i connected usb while the video was playing |
| 04:12:59 | Rcholla32 | so in manufaction mode just the blue scrool wheel |
| 04:13:03 | Rcholla32 | wow |
| 04:13:05 | pearldiver | it was exactly the same effect |
| 04:13:10 | pearldiver | slow motion and locked player |
| 04:13:16 | Llorean | pearldiver: That's really weird, I've never connected USB while in Rockbox. |
| 04:13:21 | Llorean | pearldiver: I *bet* it's a threading issue, though |
| 04:13:24 | Rcholla32 | dude you look at it its pretty hard to do |
| 04:13:35 | Llorean | Rcholla32: Yes, I KNOW it's pretty hard to do |
| 04:13:40 | Llorean | Rcholla32: I said VERY clearly, it is not an easy process. |
| 04:14:37 | pearldiver | Llorean maybe because my battery is very low it did that now |
| 04:14:57 | Llorean | pearldiver: If could provide a problem if the disk was trying to spin up, I suppose |
| 04:15:36 | pearldiver | going to try 400kbps now |
| 04:15:55 | pearldiver | does the little windows settings in winFF overwrite the preset? |
| 04:16:10 | Llorean | pearldiver: Yes |
| 04:16:32 | Llorean | pearldiver: Also, I'm using r12932, which has all the syncing updates except the less aggressive frameskip, and should perform the same, but _may_ not |
| 04:16:36 | pearldiver | well i restarted, enabled skip frames and it plays perfectly now |
| 04:16:39 | Rcholla32 | Well can you look at it |
| 04:17:14 | saratoga | i think you're trying to ask one of us to do it for you |
| 04:17:30 | Llorean | Rcholla32: Seriously, take your time, and ask specific questions IF and ONLY IF they are not explained in the thread or the pages you were linked to. |
| 04:17:58 | Llorean | Rcholla32: It is NOT an easy process. You have messed up your Sansa, and because you messed up your Sansa you need to do some difficult things that require careful actions to fix it. |
| 04:19:00 | Llorean | pearldiver: one of the places two-pass might help a lot is animation, I suppose |
| 04:20:25 | pearldiver | going to experiment with bitrates and passes now |
| 04:20:32 | Rcholla32 | ok' |
| 04:21:29 | Rcholla32 | ok i downloaded the e200 tool right and what do i suppost to do with they file |
| 04:21:39 | Rcholla32 | like where do i put it |
| 04:21:39 | Llorean | Rcholla32: You clearly haven't read the thread carefully |
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| 04:21:49 | Llorean | Rcholla32: Are you in Linux? |
| 04:21:54 | oblib | hmm, seems like enabling CONFIG_CHARGING does nothing for car adapter mode... |
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| 04:24:39 | Rcholla32 | No my Vista frezzes when i download it |
| 04:25:15 | Rcholla32 | is there another website to get it from that doesnt freeze vista |
| 04:25:22 | Llorean | Rcholla32: Which one are you using? |
| 04:25:52 | saratoga | try google |
| 04:26:00 | Rcholla32 | Vista Home Premium |
| 04:26:06 | Llorean | Rcholla32: Which WEBSITE |
| 04:26:11 | saratoga | haha |
| 04:26:15 | Rcholla32 | i google it |
| 04:26:25 | saratoga | google harder |
| 04:26:29 | Rcholla32 | Download Linux |
| 04:26:39 | Rcholla32 | is it a torrent file |
| 04:26:55 | pearldiver | Llorean would be nice to have some options for the yuv colorspace as well but i guess you can't have it all |
| 04:27:41 | saratoga | is that a question or a statement? |
| 04:27:48 | Rcholla32 | question |
| 04:27:56 | Rcholla32 | is it a torrent file |
| 04:28:04 | Llorean | Rcholla32: Depends on which linux you're getting |
| 04:28:13 | Llorean | Rcholla32: Which one did the thread recommend, do you remember? |
| 04:28:18 | Llorean | Or did you _read_ the thread? |
| 04:28:47 | Llorean | pearldiver: Well, WinFF is just a program linuxst found. All the ffmpeg options are valid in that bottom box, though |
| 04:28:50 | Rcholla32 | Which one do i want to get |
| 04:28:59 | Rcholla32 | hold on |
| 04:29:10 | Llorean | Rcholla32: You want to read the thread, because many people recommend one there. |
| 04:29:31 | Rcholla32 | just one linux |
| 04:29:35 | Llorean | Rcholla32: If you're unwilling to actually do what we say, what's the point in us telling you anything, out of curiosity? |
| 04:29:35 | pearldiver | Llorean ok it doesnt want to start the 2nd pass for a 400kbps file |
| 04:29:49 | Rcholla32 | i am |
| 04:29:54 | Llorean | pearldiver: Does it give an error message? |
| 04:30:08 | Rcholla32 | they are only saying linux |
| 04:30:15 | Rcholla32 | thats it |
| 04:30:17 | pearldiver | ha, after 3 attempts, it started |
| 04:30:21 | saratoga | well this is enough for one night |
| 04:30:22 | pearldiver | really weird |
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| 04:30:37 | pearldiver | the error message was "can't open the file" |
| 04:30:44 | Llorean | Rcholla32: No, they mention a specific type of linux live cd. |
| 04:30:56 | Rcholla32 | hold on |
| 04:30:58 | Llorean | Rcholla32: Have you read EVERY post in that thread, yet? |
| 04:31:04 | Llorean | Rcholla32: Or are you trying to skip ahead, AGAIN |
| 04:31:14 | pearldiver | i tried to play it in vlc, it played fine and tried to start the 2nd pass again and it worked |
| 04:31:28 | Llorean | pearldiver: Really strange, maybe just windows quirkiness? |
| 04:31:31 | smably | Llorean: i admire your patience, but i think it may be time to give up and admit defeat ;) |
| 04:31:35 | pearldiver | who knows |
| 04:31:41 | Rcholla32 | yes |
| 04:31:49 | Rcholla32 | no just linux |
| 04:31:55 | pearldiver | the 400kbps 1st pass wasnt looking too shabby btw |
| 04:31:57 | Rcholla32 | thats it i read it all |
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| 04:32:33 | Llorean | Rcholla32: Then read more carefully |
| 04:32:39 | Rcholla32 | i am now |
| 04:32:40 | Llorean | Rcholla32: Look for the words "live cd" specifically |
| 04:33:04 | Llorean | Rcholla32: I went and checked, it's DEFINITELY there, which means you aren't reading carefully enough yet. |
| 04:33:24 | Llorean | pearldiver: Yeah, the presets file I uploaded to the wiki should have 400kbps for the Gigabeat. |
| 04:33:38 | Llorean | Oh, shoot. |
| 04:33:41 | Llorean | The most recent one is 600 isn't it. |
| 04:33:43 | Llorean | Ah well |
| 04:33:49 | pearldiver | Llorean so you havent tried the newest aggressive dropping commit yet? |
| 04:33:58 | Llorean | pearldiver: It's less aggressive. |
| 04:34:02 | pearldiver | yeah it was 600 |
| 04:34:16 | pearldiver | +less* |
| 04:34:22 | Llorean | pearldiver: I tried it on a 'problem' file on the Nano, and it improved playback smoothness alot without sacrificing syncing. |
| 04:34:51 | Llorean | On the Gigabeat it should make Elephant's Dream 4:3 play back a lot more smoothly |
| 04:34:53 | pearldiver | i guess wont affect the gigabeat too much anyway |
| 04:35:44 | pearldiver | by smooth you mean less tearing? |
| 04:35:58 | Llorean | pearldiver: I mean less frames being skipped. |
| 04:37:09 | Llorean | pearldiver: It does affect the gigabeat, though mainly on >25fps 4:3 video |
| 04:40:06 | pearldiver | ok i know what caused that slowdown and lock |
| 04:40:14 | pearldiver | headphone insert |
| 04:40:22 | pearldiver | just did it again |
| 04:40:39 | Llorean | pearldiver: Is your build a stock build? |
| 04:40:57 | pearldiver | album art and mod support patches |
| 04:41:06 | Llorean | Because it doesn't do that on mine, and neverh as |
| 04:41:13 | Llorean | Though again, my build is a little bit out of date |
| 04:41:29 | pearldiver | do you have pause on headphones unplug? |
| 04:41:34 | pearldiver | on* |
| 04:41:48 | Llorean | Nope. |
| 04:42:02 | Llorean | I didn't even know that was an option on the Gigabeat normally |
| 04:42:05 | Rcholla32 | Found it |
| 04:42:12 | pearldiver | hehe there is and i use it |
| 04:42:16 | pearldiver | so it must be it |
| 04:42:19 | Llorean | probably |
| 04:42:23 | Rcholla32 | they are using libusb |
| 04:42:32 | Rcholla32 | linux |
| 04:42:50 | oblib | Llorean, do you know who is working on the Nano? |
| 04:42:59 | Rcholla32 | but the last time it messed up my computer |
| 04:43:04 | Llorean | Rcholla32: No, they're using Linux because the windows version of libusb doesn't work well |
| 04:43:26 | Llorean | oblib: Most of the time, nobody is working on a specific player. |
| 04:44:02 | Rcholla32 | yes |
| 04:44:04 | oblib | Llorean, how would I find out if anyone is working on power related stuff in the nano? Just look in flyspray? |
| 04:44:13 | Llorean | Rcholla32: Libusb is NOT a type of linux though |
| 04:44:19 | Rcholla32 | ok |
| 04:44:20 | pearldiver | Llorean why the skipping frames option is even there? |
| 04:44:27 | Rcholla32 | so dont download it |
| 04:44:32 | pearldiver | i mean maybe it should be always default on |
| 04:44:35 | Llorean | Rcholla32: Just read carefully, please. |
| 04:44:41 | Rcholla32 | ok |
| 04:44:42 | Llorean | Rcholla32: Read every single post, all the way through. ALL of them |
| 04:44:49 | Llorean | pearldiver: It should always be on, yes. |
| 04:44:58 | Llorean | pearldiver: But it's there for testing purposes. |
| 04:45:10 | Llorean | pearldiver: If you want to see the maximum decode speed, you need to disable both framerate limiting and skip frames. |
| 04:45:32 | pearldiver | i see |
| 04:46:01 | Llorean | pearldiver: That being said, I'm hoping in the future "Skip Frames" can be replaced with "Target framerate" so one can set it to say, "15fps" for the 15fps targets, and have it default to skipping frames down to that rate, and then only skip more frame if it can't play back suitably (assuming that's even possible |
| 04:46:17 | pearldiver | well 400kbps 2 passes is quite watchable but you can forget about fast paced scenes nor it adds nothing to the smoothness of the video |
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| 04:46:40 | Llorean | The frameskipping code did an admirable job of playing back a 59.94 FPS dvd-rip at 29.9 fps or so. |
| 04:46:57 | Llorean | pearldiver: What do you mean, exactly? |
| 04:47:13 | pearldiver | its noticably more blocky |
| 04:47:57 | Llorean | Two-pass made it *more* blocky? |
| 04:48:06 | pearldiver | saved about 30gb on a 20min video |
| 04:48:18 | pearldiver | no, 400 against 600 |
| 04:48:28 | pearldiver | 30mb* |
| 04:48:56 | Llorean | Ah. |
| 04:49:08 | Llorean | Well yeah, 200 more is a *lot* more data, ratio wise. |
| 04:49:58 | pearldiver | does it bother you, you cant quite the mpegplayer while its on pause? :) |
| 04:50:03 | pearldiver | quit* |
| 04:50:40 | Llorean | If I'm planning on quitting, it really doesn't matter to me that the video will keep playing briefly. :) |
| 04:50:50 | Llorean | But remember, mpegplayer almost entirely lacks anything resembling polish |
| 04:51:04 | Llorean | Functional issues are important, things like that are pretty much irrelevant at this point. |
| 04:51:25 | pearldiver | yeah but i love it in whatever state it is as long as it shows anything on the screen :) |
| 04:53:21 | Llorean | But yeah, I'll try two-pass 600 compared to one-pass 600 and if it does really make enough difference, I'll probably add presets for it |
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| 04:56:19 | pearldiver | 600 1 and passes look almost the same to me, 2 passes had more "sharpness" to it but on the player itself its barely noticable |
| 04:56:25 | pearldiver | 1 and 2* |
| 04:56:50 | pearldiver | like you said, it depends on type of the video i guess |
| 04:57:01 | pearldiver | fast paced scenes, animation etc |
| 04:57:20 | Llorean | pearldiver: Yeah, I suspected two-pass wouldn't really be a big benefit on-target. |
| 04:57:45 | Llorean | pearldiver: It's kinda a question of whether the benefit is worth the extra decode time |
| 04:58:00 | Llorean | Err encode time |
| 04:58:01 | browca04 | Quick question, how often do you guys update the rockbox firmware on your mp3 players? |
| 04:58:12 | browca04 | Like once a month or every couple of days or what? |
| 04:58:15 | Llorean | browca04: Depends on a lot of things. |
| 04:58:32 | Llorean | browca04: Sometimes more than once per day, but if I'm not testing anything specific, I don't update unless I see a fix that interests me |
| 04:58:48 | pearldiver | the best way is to check the "major updates" page |
| 04:58:58 | pearldiver | and act accordingly to your needs |
| 04:59:04 | Llorean | MajorChanges. :) |
| 04:59:12 | pearldiver | im losing it :P |
| 04:59:45 | pearldiver | but you got my idea |
| 04:59:49 | Llorean | Hehehe |
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| 05:00:21 | browca04 | Ta. |
| 05:02:00 | pearldiver | still interesting why winFF encodes are not watchable anywhere else except for vlc |
| 05:02:14 | pearldiver | 1 pass encode acted the same btw |
| 05:03:21 | pearldiver | going to try the latest svn updates |
| 05:03:37 | Llorean | pearldiver: What other programs are you trying them in? |
| 05:03:48 | Llorean | pearldiver: All of my ffmpeg encodes have played fine in VLC and MPC. |
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| 05:03:59 | pearldiver | mpc mainly |
| 05:04:10 | pearldiver | windows media player |
| 05:04:20 | Llorean | MPC worked fine for all of my encodes. |
| 05:04:26 | pearldiver | really? strange |
| 05:04:45 | Llorean | If windows media player and MPC didn't work, it sounds like your directshow filters are having concerns. |
| 05:04:45 | pearldiver | colorful blocks for me |
| 05:05:35 | pearldiver | yes, probably |
| 05:05:54 | pearldiver | im surprised album art patch is still in sync |
| 05:06:42 | acad | I'm working on a segment for a television show focused on consumer technology slanted toward free software and can't find any free audio players that do not also support mp3. Ideally I'd like to find something for the show that does not support mp3 to begin with. Do any suggest players exist? |
| 05:07:15 | pearldiver | highly doubtful |
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| 05:07:22 | pearldiver | not for windows at least |
| 05:07:59 | acad | i'm looking for a hardware audio player- not software |
| 05:08:09 | pearldiver | ah |
| 05:08:24 | pearldiver | i really need coffee here :) |
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| 05:08:30 | acad | that probably makes it even more doubtful i'm sure |
| 05:08:54 | pearldiver | what formats would you expect them to play? |
| 05:09:06 | pearldiver | if not mp3 that is |
| 05:09:16 | acad | pearldiver: quite honestly I don't care- but most likly candidate is ogg vorbis |
| 05:09:47 | acad | i can't find any ogg vorbis only audio players (hardware) |
| 05:10:01 | Llorean | acad: There aren't really any hardware players that don't support MP3, because it's considered such a standard format |
| 05:10:10 | pearldiver | the only candidate here, if you think about it, would be ipod (in its perfect world). |
| 05:10:21 | Llorean | Not supporting it basically alienates the mass market right from the start |
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| 05:10:42 | acad | the closest that i've found are ones that support ogg vorbis and mp3- no drm, presumably free firmware. |
| 05:10:58 | pearldiver | steve wont mind to make ipod aac format only player and sell drm music all day long im sure |
| 05:11:18 | acad | ipod would be worse than the mp3 + ogg player that is drm free and open. |
| 05:11:19 | pearldiver | but, luckily, we have mp3 |
| 05:11:39 | Llorean | pearldiver: Steve actually claims he's anti-DRM |
| 05:11:56 | acad | yea- i'd like to see actions follow words |
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| 05:12:54 | pearldiver | Llorean thats like saying "cows claim they are against milk" |
| 05:13:05 | acad | the only thing going for him at this point is the fact Apple has certain business decisions to make with pressure from the riaa and industry |
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| 05:13:42 | Llorean | pearldiver: Steve Jobs has said, on paper, that if the 4 major companies ever allow it, he'll make iTunes DRM-free. |
| 05:13:53 | Llorean | pearldiver: That is a PR disaster if the 4 big companies ever call him on it. |
| 05:14:19 | pearldiver | Llorean yeah ive seen his speech, still, i think he showed his 2-faced nature in that one |
| 05:14:24 | Llorean | I dunno |
| 05:14:25 | tsuyoshi | how does drm benefit apple? |
| 05:14:32 | smably | vendor lock-in |
| 05:14:36 | oblib | ...something about "Keep discussion Rockbox-related"... |
| 05:15:08 | pearldiver | oh we have audience here :P |
| 05:15:08 | GuitarRob22 | hey, i have a couple years of coding experience, i was wondering if there was anything i could do to help. |
| 05:15:32 | Llorean | GuitarRob22: See the "Feature Requests" in the patch tracker, for a good list of ideas |
| 05:15:35 | tsuyoshi | yeah.. add usb support to the sansa |
| 05:15:45 | pearldiver | ha ha |
| 05:16:00 | oblib | GuitarRob22, you could make my nano wake up and turn off on external power :) |
| 05:16:05 | tsuyoshi | ohh actually do we have docs on the sansa usb |
| 05:16:18 | GuitarRob22 | well, where can i find the primer? |
| 05:16:23 | tsuyoshi | or will someone have to reverse engineer it |
| 05:16:42 | Llorean | tsuyoshi: I think we have documentation that we *think* is valid |
| 05:17:06 | tsuyoshi | is it under nda |
| 05:17:14 | pearldiver | ok i have a better task: port rockbox to nano 2nd gen and ipod 5.5 80gb. how about that? |
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| 05:17:34 | Llorean | tsuyoshi: No. The information we have suggests the i.MX3 datasheets will work for us, I believe |
| 05:18:01 | oblib | pearldiver, nah, I don't have a 2nd gen, what good would that do ;) |
| 05:18:33 | Sky9 | well, I have a rhapsody model of the sansa... and anything I could do to expedite the process of getting rockbox onto it would greatly motivate the development of everything else |
| 05:18:47 | oblib | GuitarRob22, check out the developer section in the wiki: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex |
| 05:18:58 | tsuyoshi | llorean: oh where is that information? I don't see it on the wiki |
| 05:19:04 | Sky9 | but I'm not quite sure where the development for that is at |
| 05:19:12 | Llorean | tsuyoshi: Dunno |
| 05:19:22 | tsuyoshi | ok, i.mx3 |
| 05:19:26 | * | tsuyoshi googles |
| 05:19:26 | Llorean | tsuyoshi: It could be in the PortalPlayer or iPod or H10 sections |
| 05:19:29 | pearldiver | actually i turned on my 5g ipod about 10 times total. i can't stand they way ipod sounds somehow, whatever phones used. |
| 05:19:47 | pearldiver | so i never ever thought about touching smaller incarnations |
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| 05:20:49 | tsuyoshi | llorean: oh right |
| 05:21:23 | * | Sky9 is guitarrob22 the client i was using pooped out on me... |
| 05:22:29 | oblib | Sky9, check out the developer section in the wiki: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex |
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| 05:24:52 | Sky9 | yea, I saw that they figured out the encryption key to the R version... but the bootloader can't be uploaded. I was wondering why and what is up with that |
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| 05:39:04 | oblib | Is there an easy way to "printf" or display something on the screen for debug? |
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| 06:15:46 | oblib | Cool, I got it (Nano car mode). Now to learn to submit a patch... |
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| 06:39:56 | oblib | How do the developers know when I've submitted a patch against a request opened in September? Is there some way to see recent comments? |
| 06:40:19 | Llorean | oblib: Generally you open a new "patch" task, and make the old request "related" |
| 06:40:40 | oblib | okay, I already posted on the old one, should I do a new task still? |
| 06:41:29 | oblib | Llorean, oh, I understand −− difference between request and patch, huh? |
| 06:41:34 | Llorean | Generally, yes. |
| 06:41:48 | oblib | Llorean, so I should make a patch post? |
| 06:41:52 | Llorean | Probably a good idea |
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| 06:42:03 | Llorean | It's more likely to get noticed if it's a Patch that has the related tasks link to the request |
| 06:44:14 | oblib | I don't see how to link it to the old request. Is there a button I'm missin? |
| 06:45:07 | Llorean | oblib: Is there a "Related tasks" tab next to the Comments tab at the top of the comments area? |
| 06:46:07 | oblib | yes, How do I add one? |
| 06:46:39 | Llorean | For me it has a field to add one when I click the tab. |
| 06:46:45 | Llorean | If it doesn't for you, let me know which task it's related to |
| 06:49:30 | oblib | 5958 |
| 06:49:43 | oblib | new task is 6940 |
| 06:49:52 | Llorean | oblib: Done |
| 06:53:21 | oblib | possibly 6128 (doesn't specify nano) |
| 06:53:27 | oblib | is related too |
| 06:57:21 | oblib | and looks like 6891 is too |
| 06:59:45 | oblib | gnite Llorean thanks for the help |
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| 07:24:05 | perldiver | Llorean another error from winFF |
| 07:24:56 | Llorean | What's this one? |
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| 07:27:39 | perldiver | well this is weird |
| 07:28:03 | perldiver | i tried to play it with vlc and it started to convert it after |
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| 07:44:35 | robin0800 | I must say the current build page is very colourfull at present but I would not dream pf using it until it returns to a bland green |
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| 07:46:14 | aliask | robin0800: Which player do you have? |
| 07:46:47 | robin0800 | ipod video 5g |
| 07:47:24 | Llorean | robin0800: There's nothing wrong with the 5G build. |
| 07:47:25 | aliask | It'll be fine, it's yellow because theres an unsed variable. I think slasheri left it in there accidentally. |
| 07:47:53 | Llorean | aliask: The other warning is a #warning basically reminding someone to do something with that variable once they figure out how to use it properly, I think. |
| 07:48:10 | aliask | Yep, that's what I figured too. |
| 07:48:50 | Slasheri | indeed. For 5G there should be nothing wrong |
| 07:49:32 | robin0800 | yes that is probably true why is there not a key to the colours used ie yellow warning red broken sort of? |
| 07:49:34 | Slasheri | but some other players crashes if the locking mechanism is enabled. And that really needs to be fixed before COP can be used |
| 07:50:25 | Slasheri | i think yellow is fine, it's just a reminder |
| 07:51:05 | robin0800 | well as stated I wont be installing a Current build any time soon at least green for on or two commits |
| 07:52:13 | aliask | If it makes you feel more comfortable... |
| 07:52:26 | robin0800 | it does |
| 07:53:10 | Llorean | robin0800: Green doesn't mean "no bugs" and yellow doesn't mean "bugs" |
| 07:53:24 | Llorean | In fact a build with lots of yellow could be a lot stabler and more consistent than one with all green. |
| 07:55:14 | robin0800 | why don't you say that on that page a brief note about what the colours mean in practice? |
| 07:55:57 | Llorean | Because they don't mean anything specific other than "Red means the compiler reported an error, yellow means it reported a warning" |
| 07:55:59 | Llorean | That's *all* they mean |
| 07:56:48 | robin0800 | so that may or may not mean bugs? |
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| 07:57:54 | tsuyoshi | yeah it would be nice if the page said what the colors were |
| 07:58:00 | Llorean | Red usually means that part of the build will be missing. This could mean a plugin, it could mean rombox for the archoses, or it could mean the main program |
| 07:58:06 | Llorean | tsuyoshi: I just explained what they were. |
| 07:58:08 | tsuyoshi | I figured it out after a while but it isn't immediately obvious |
| 07:58:35 | Llorean | It's not like they're really of much use to anyone who can't read the log and figure out what they are anyway |
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| 08:18:27 | DerPapst | good morning |
| 08:21:03 | DerPapst | i've played around with the sim a bit (iPod Video selfcompiled) and it claims that it can't find the .rockbox directory. Is it because of the change that the rockbox.* file has moved into the /.rockbox dir? |
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| 08:21:27 | Llorean | DerPapst: Did you do a "make install" for it? |
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| 09:31:01 | sslashes | any mentors/coredevs around who are involved in SoC? |
| 09:31:08 | LinusN | here |
| 09:31:21 | sslashes | <−− Rob Frawley |
| 09:31:27 | sslashes | interested in WPS redo |
| 09:31:28 | LinusN | hi rob |
| 09:31:47 | sslashes | just thought i'd stop by and see what the general thought were on my app |
| 09:32:33 | sslashes | and about the idea itself |
| 09:33:06 | LinusN | have you seen the public comments? |
| 09:33:31 | sslashes | yes |
| 09:33:40 | LinusN | oh wait, it seems i haven't seen your last comment |
| 09:33:53 | sslashes | it is very new =) |
| 09:35:40 | * | petur likes the idea of keeping theme fonts, backdrops and wps with the theme itself |
| 09:36:16 | LinusN | me too |
| 09:37:02 | petur | bbl |
| 09:38:14 | sslashes | the idea for drawing conigurations is very different from the current system - any thoughts on the aceptance of a new system - or (as the last line of my comment stated) would people prefer simply an enhanced WPS system (built on the current one) |
| 09:38:17 | LinusN | sslashes: how do you mean by the playing.dr file overriding the "screen estate" of global.dr? |
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| 09:38:49 | LinusN | would global.dr be drawed first and then playing.dr on top? |
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| 09:40:23 | sslashes | kind of |
| 09:40:27 | sslashes | no |
| 09:40:29 | sslashes | heh |
| 09:42:02 | sslashes | i imagine the parser parsing global.dr and then one of the specific files (such as playing.dr, depending on the current UI location) and combining where nessisary, so, since the playing.dr file specifies it starts at veritcal pixel 21, anything below that in the global.dr file would be disgarded |
| 09:42:24 | sslashes | this would generate an intermedian drawing file which would then be actually "drawn" on-screen |
| 09:43:23 | LinusN | sounds a little too complicated to me |
| 09:44:05 | sslashes | heh - of course the system could drop global completely and just rely on the playing, browsing, and setting files |
| 09:44:38 | LinusN | i think as much as possible should be pre-baked by the theme author, perhaps with a theme "compiler" or something |
| 09:44:58 | sslashes | my main reason for the global file is because in most themes (and, for that matter, other players) there is a standardized "top" section |
| 09:45:16 | sslashes | that might actually be a very good idea |
| 09:45:23 | LinusN | i think the status bar could have its own file |
| 09:45:59 | * | XavierGr appears with a box from USA :D |
| 09:46:07 | LinusN | XavierGr: a bomb? |
| 09:46:22 | sslashes | probobly baked goods |
| 09:46:38 | * | LinusN got a box yesterday, with pondlife's h340 |
| 09:47:23 | XavierGr | what does it have? (pondfile's H340) is it broken? :\ |
| 09:47:29 | LinusN | broken uda1380 |
| 09:47:55 | LinusN | will attempt surgery today |
| 09:48:07 | sslashes | it might also be a good idea (if the project is accepted) to hold a developer session where everyone can comment on the pros/cons of different ideas and a functional system can be decided on |
| 09:48:08 | XavierGr | my box has an F40 that toffe sent me :) |
| 09:48:36 | LinusN | XavierGr: nice |
| 09:48:39 | sslashes | i am less interested with the "why" and more with the "how" - that is, the implementation (i also REALLY want to customize the browsing screen) |
| 09:48:45 | XavierGr | wow that thing looks brand new... |
| 09:49:02 | LinusN | sslashes: i think we all agree on the "why" |
| 09:49:10 | sslashes | heh |
| 09:49:11 | sslashes | true |
| 09:49:12 | Llorean | sslashes: I'm worried that since we already have poor browser performance, customization of it would add additional overhead just making "using" it less pleasant. |
| 09:49:42 | sslashes | Llorean: what do you think of LinusN's idea to have a theme "compiler" |
| 09:50:01 | * | scorche wonders if having no public comments is a good thing, or bad |
| 09:50:04 | Llorean | sslashes: A theme compiler on its own doesn't necessarily offer a solution to this problem. |
| 09:50:34 | Llorean | scorche: Clearly it means you're being whispered about behind your back. :-P |
| 09:50:40 | scorche | for shame! |
| 09:51:02 | sslashes | the current performance problems - are they accross all players? |
| 09:51:21 | Llorean | sslashes: Not all, they're most significant in certain targets (anything portalplayer based) |
| 09:51:52 | Llorean | With the idea of compiled themes, there are some significant disadvantages. |
| 09:52:21 | Llorean | Although they're disadvantages to certain subgroups, so I don't know if they matter _too_ much |
| 09:52:21 | sslashes | is the decoding engine and the drawing engine still running on the same thread - or was some thread implementation done at some point? |
| 09:52:46 | LinusN | scorche: in your case it isn't necessarily bad |
| 09:52:54 | Llorean | sslashes: Even without playback the UI can be sluggish. |
| 09:52:55 | XavierGr | please someone tell me that the F40 has usb charging :\ |
| 09:53:00 | Llorean | XavierGr: It does |
| 09:53:10 | XavierGr | I don't have a US-EU adapter converter |
| 09:53:22 | LinusN | isn't the browser performance due to unnecessary redraws? |
| 09:53:22 | * | scorche glances hard at the "necessarily" |
| 09:53:44 | Llorean | LinusN: That's one of the biggest problems, I think |
| 09:53:57 | XavierGr | lol it has a tiny switch on the bottom that cuts off the battery! I wonder why |
| 09:53:58 | Llorean | LinusN: My point is just that any new system needs to strive to perform better than the current one. |
| 09:54:03 | LinusN | oh yes |
| 09:54:10 | sslashes | agreed |
| 09:54:12 | Llorean | I'd rather have performance than pretty. |
| 09:54:26 | Llorean | Especially since performance isn't up to the "good" point on some players, yet. :) |
| 09:54:34 | XavierGr | nice toffe already installed rockbox on it :D |
| 09:54:59 | Llorean | Another thing, is that if it is the "compiled" route, it should be a reversible process. Our WPS designers learn a lot from existing ones. |
| 09:55:15 | LinusN | Llorean: good point |
| 09:55:47 | LinusN | XavierGr: the OF on the gigabeat is horrible |
| 09:56:00 | XavierGr | LinusN: I can imagine that. |
| 09:56:16 | XavierGr | Linus: But I have to say that with rockbox any kind of firmware looks horrible |
| 09:56:18 | Llorean | And it needs to be interchangeable enough. A user should still have the current flexibility to pick a WPS, Backdrop, and Font (or in this case, WPS, Menu layout, Backdrop, and Menu and WPS fonts or whatnot) |
| 09:56:52 | Llorean | Currently I can pick a text only WPS, with a backdrop of my choice, use nearly any font I like, and have a backdropless menu, even if I don't have a defined "theme" for that |
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| 09:57:39 | * | sslashes takes a look at some source =P |
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| 09:58:09 | Llorean | Basically, I'd like to not "lose" anything |
| 09:58:28 | Llorean | I'm all for more flexibility in some areas, but I have some things about the current system I'm quite fond of. :) |
| 09:58:30 | markun | XavierGr: some are more horrible, trust us :) |
| 09:58:52 | XavierGr | god damn! this screen in sweet! :D |
| 09:58:57 | sslashes | Llorean: understandable |
| 09:58:58 | XavierGr | crystal clear |
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| 10:00:37 | scorche | aye...i used the OF on the Gigabeat S before i passed it on to aliask...truly horrible... |
| 10:00:53 | markun | scorche: well, the Gigabeat S is completely different |
| 10:00:57 | scorche | maybe not archos-horrible, but horrible nonetheless |
| 10:01:23 | scorche | markun: i was adding tot he blanket statement of many OFs being horrible =P |
| 10:01:32 | markun | ok :) |
| 10:01:34 | Llorean | sslashes: Also, be aware that arbitrary text positioning is probably going to conflict with how lines are scrolled when they're oversize, so that's something that may need addressed. Don't know how much of a problem it will turn into. |
| 10:02:25 | markun | LinusN: how does the ipod 5(.5)g screen compare to the one of the Gigabeat? Similar? |
| 10:02:32 | sslashes | ya - i figure some of the routines (like scrolling) might need some editing anyway though |
| 10:02:43 | LinusN | the ipod 5g screen is awesome imho |
| 10:02:49 | petur | wouldn't it be better to change wps/ui changes _after_ we get viewports? |
| 10:02:56 | LinusN | petur: indeed |
| 10:03:02 | pondlife | LinusN: Lots of pixels to update though |
| 10:03:02 | aliask | scorche: And I'm currently stuck with it. I use my ipod mini with no screen and 2 hour battery life more than the gigabeat S |
| 10:03:15 | XavierGr | markun: what's the battery capacity of an F40? |
| 10:03:17 | LinusN | pondlife: yup |
| 10:03:37 | scorche | aliask: i can see why you wouldnt use it, but arent you working on the port? |
| 10:04:08 | markun | XavierGr: we thought 830, but that is for the Gigabeat X and the F might have a slightly different batter |
| 10:04:12 | markun | +y |
| 10:04:20 | pondlife | sslashes: Are you thinking of JIT compilation? |
| 10:04:24 | sslashes | LinusN: what is the current state of viewports |
| 10:04:33 | LinusN | sslashes: dormant :-) |
| 10:04:39 | markun | sslashes: they are in amiconn's head |
| 10:04:44 | aliask | scorche: Yes and no. I've pretty much hit a wall, and I need a hdd adapter to see anything further. I could use an iPod 5g, but noone I know with one will let me open it up, or I could buy an adapter from overseas (only sold in europe) for over $70AU |
| 10:04:45 | scorche | sslashes: unimplemented and hiding in amiconn's head |
| 10:04:53 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ViewPorts |
| 10:04:57 | scorche | bah...beaten on both remarks! |
| 10:05:02 | markun | :) |
| 10:05:03 | Slasheri | sslashes: argh, your nick is causing a hilight flood on my irssi :) |
| 10:05:28 | * | pondlife renames himself islasher |
| 10:05:38 | * | XavierGr goes to download latest gigabeat build and load a video on that thing... |
| 10:05:43 | sslashes | pondlife: perhaps - that might be an interesting idea to persue |
| 10:05:52 | sslashes | Slasheri: heh - i try (sometimes) |
| 10:06:37 | pondlife | I think the text-based system has great advantages in being easy to understand. Look at how many non-devs can happily produce (or modify) WPSs. |
| 10:06:49 | pondlife | That's got to be a good thing to preserve. |
| 10:06:57 | markun | I made some changes to the YUV2RGB conversion (only for the Gigabeat for now). Does anyone want to try them and comment on the difference? |
| 10:07:25 | sslashes | there is no reason pixel positioning could be implemented while allowing "carrage returns" of a specifc pixel size |
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| 10:07:49 | pondlife | That specific pixel size being the current font height? |
| 10:08:07 | sslashes | yes |
| 10:08:19 | markun | Llorean: you maybe? |
| 10:08:36 | Llorean | markun: Sure |
| 10:08:38 | pondlife | sslashes: Where are your comments? Earlier in IRC? |
| 10:08:54 | Llorean | I've got a wide range of test files on my Gigabeat right now. |
| 10:08:55 | sslashes | yes, and on the google soc website |
| 10:08:56 | markun | Llorean: ok, let me make a patch |
| 10:09:03 | Llorean | markun: What would I be looking for? |
| 10:09:17 | GodEater_ | Llorean: not that it will make the slightest bit of difference, but can we change the posting guidelines to make complaining about iPod runtimes illegal ? :) |
| 10:09:27 | markun | Llorean: improved colours/contrast |
| 10:09:44 | Llorean | markun: Alright, I know which video to test with then. :) |
| 10:09:57 | Llorean | GodEater_: Technically it is. |
| 10:10:07 | Llorean | At least, I believe it's covered in the FAQ |
| 10:10:19 | pondlife | SOC website? Is that only visible to mentors/students? |
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| 10:10:31 | Llorean | pondlife: Aye |
| 10:10:35 | GodEater_ | Llorean: then can we get the death penalty on it instead ? :) |
| 10:10:57 | XavierGr | yay for standards! I have 5 rockbox targets and all of them have the same USB calbe! :D |
| 10:11:05 | pondlife | Might be good to use http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SummerOfCode more... |
| 10:11:20 | markun | Llorean: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/yuv_update.diff |
| 10:13:09 | Llorean | markun: Compiling. |
| 10:13:30 | markun | Llorean: I don't know if you can easily compare the two versions |
| 10:13:40 | markun | maybe toffe can do it with 2 Gigabeats :) |
| 10:14:14 | Llorean | markun: If the difference is noticeable, I think I'll see it with a certain few of my files. If it's *not* noticeable, then it'll either be placebo effect, or no change, either of which is also fine. :) |
| 10:14:45 | markun | Llorean: yes, it's noticeable. |
| 10:14:56 | sslashes | perhaps viewport could be added into my project (i see it is a possible project for soc on the wiki) |
| 10:15:10 | Llorean | sslashes: I think viewports would be relevant to your goal, yes. |
| 10:15:12 | petur | LinusN: re devcon: would landing at 21:45 be too late? |
| 10:15:35 | sslashes | when is amiconn normally around these parts? |
| 10:15:36 | pondlife | sslashes: Viewport is a more general thing, it should be treated as seperate development, but you may wish to do it as a pre-requisite. |
| 10:15:51 | pondlife | i.e. Viewports are not just for the WPS |
| 10:16:05 | markun | Llorean: the problem was that JPEG uses a different representation of YUV than MPEG (and everything else which uses the standard) |
| 10:16:13 | Llorean | markun: Odd. |
| 10:16:22 | markun | and we just copied the JPEG conversion |
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| 10:16:29 | Llorean | pondlife: His conception of themes is not just for the WPS |
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| 10:16:42 | pondlife | Llorean: Cool! |
| 10:16:48 | markun | Llorean: well, I think the non-standard JPEG one is better in fact :) |
| 10:17:49 | sslashes | ok - thanks for all the commetns - i'll stop by again soon and try and talk to amiconn about viewports - time for me to sleep |
| 10:17:58 | markun | sslashes: good night |
| 10:19:12 | Llorean | markun: It loos good |
| 10:19:15 | Llorean | looks |
| 10:19:21 | markun | better? |
| 10:19:30 | markun | (I think so) |
| 10:19:32 | Llorean | Yeah, at least in my opinion |
| 10:19:51 | Llorean | It looked a little undersaturated before, to me. |
| 10:19:58 | markun | yes, it was |
| 10:20:32 | Llorean | I had thought it was just the screen, I didn't realize it was something that could be fixed in code or I would've mentioned it. :) |
| 10:21:15 | markun | Llorean: the Y component had a offset of 16 which made black look like dark-gray |
| 10:21:50 | XavierGr | I just love this DAP! Video is awesome on that screen! |
| 10:22:03 | XavierGr | I must thank toffe, I owe him a great deal |
| 10:22:14 | Llorean | XavierGr: Try Markun's patch, it'll look even better. ;) |
| 10:22:15 | markun | and because the Y component has a range of 220 and the C components (U and V) of 225 we needed to scale them to get the full range |
| 10:22:27 | XavierGr | and markun thanks for advising me to get advice from him (toffe) :P |
| 10:22:35 | markun | XavierGr: no problem :) |
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| 10:23:00 | markun | Llorean: the conversion is wrong on all targets btw.. |
| 10:23:51 | markun | And linuxstb and I were thinking about using 2 lookup tables to hopefully speed up the conversion |
| 10:24:21 | TheSphinX^ | good morning at all |
| 10:24:27 | markun | TheSphinX^: morning |
| 10:24:52 | XavierGr | damn it I have to leave... :( I will play with my gigabeat later |
| 10:25:09 | Llorean | markun: So this fix should be made to all color targets? |
| 10:25:21 | markun | yes |
| 10:25:49 | Llorean | If a lookup table will speed it up, then I'm definitely for it. |
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| 10:42:32 | markun | Llorean: hm, I'm not so sure about all my changes anymore :) |
| 10:43:04 | markun | but at least the image should look the same now as if you are looking at a JPEG of the same frame |
| 10:43:55 | Llorean | markun: What do you think isn't quite right? |
| 10:46:34 | markun | Llorean: it's just that when I calculate the max values for R, G and B they are 1.7, 1.5 and 1.8 (on a scale of 0 to 1) so you would think there would be a lot of clipping |
| 10:48:07 | Llorean | Hm, I imagine there would |
| 10:50:09 | Llorean | markun: What would clipping like that look like? |
| 10:50:28 | markun | Llorean: large white areas when it gets too bright |
| 10:50:58 | Llorean | So, loss of detail when things would normally be "near" full red, blue, green, or a mix? |
| 10:52:37 | markun | I think I'm just confusing myself too much by staring at the formulas :) |
| 10:52:48 | markun | It looks better now |
| 10:53:10 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 10:53:36 | Llorean | If it starts looking strange, it can be fixed. |
| 10:53:40 | markun | and nobody complained that the jpeg viewer didn't look right before |
| 10:54:44 | markun | Llorean: we are not the only ones getting confused: http://www.fourcc.org/fccyvrgb.php |
| 10:55:51 | markun | I determined (also after looking at the ffmpeg source) that the first formula is the right one for us after all |
| 10:57:27 | Llorean | Is that the one we had before the patch I'm trying out? |
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| 10:58:43 | k0rnz | does rockbox run stable on 5th generation Ipod 30gb? |
| 10:59:20 | Llorean | k0rnz: It doesn't crash, or at least not unless you manage to find a new bug. |
| 10:59:35 | Llorean | But the battery life is somewhat poor, and the user interface is slow on the 5G. |
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| 11:01:54 | k0rnz | Llorean, thanky for that info |
| 11:02:28 | k0rnz | I hope they get rockbox to work on iPhone |
| 11:02:36 | k0rnz | that would be too cool |
| 11:02:37 | TheSphinX^afk | hehe |
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| 11:03:01 | TheSphinX^ | if you write a touchpad driver |
| 11:03:21 | TheSphinX^ | touchscreen |
| 11:03:26 | Llorean | I think there's not much interest in moving Rockbox to phones or PDAs. |
| 11:03:34 | Llorean | It's not really designed for that. At all. |
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| 11:05:00 | jhMikeS | if anyone's curious on the correct conversion for YCrCb video, see the assembly sources for x5 and H300. read the comments above lcd_write_yuv420_lines. |
| 11:08:15 | Soap | jhMikeS: the iPod deal fell through last week. |
| 11:08:31 | jhMikeS | Soap: :( |
| 11:08:37 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:08:41 | Soap | Llorean: quite calm with xxWhatsHisNamexx on the forums. |
| 11:09:18 | Soap | jhMikeS: I scrape the bottom of craigslist on a weeky basis lowballing around a dozen people. I'll hopefully get another hit soon enough. |
| 11:09:20 | * | jhMikeS feels some 3G will find it's way to him somehow, someway |
| 11:09:58 | Soap | I have 2nd generation Nanos coming out the yin-yang. |
| 11:10:11 | jhMikeS | in stock? |
| 11:10:22 | Soap | yea |
| 11:10:53 | jhMikeS | hmmm...email me a price or something. it's about bed time and I'm falling over tired. |
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| 11:10:55 | Overand | My friend has a pair of minis, one 1g, one 2g, he'd probably be willing to part with those esp. if there was something vaguely similar in exchange |
| 11:11:00 | markun | jhMikeS: ok, I'll have a look |
| 11:11:04 | Soap | pm me your email again? |
| 11:11:14 | Overand | but i don't know if anyone needs them |
| 11:12:38 | Lynx_ | how good should mpegplayer work on the H300? The example elephants dream video plays at slideshow speed, with sound completely out of sync... |
| 11:12:53 | markun | jhMikeS: I think you don't take into account that the YCC values from the MPEG decoder are not in the 0-255 range (like with JPEG) |
| 11:13:16 | markun | the values you used apply to a range of 0 to 1, right? |
| 11:14:43 | markun | but the Y we get from the mpeg encoder has a range of 16-235 and the C components 16-239 |
| 11:14:48 | markun | mpeg decoder even |
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| 11:15:57 | markun | jhMikeS: also useful http://inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs150/Documents/ITU601.PDF |
| 11:17:12 | jhMikeS | markun: yes, it does |
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| 11:18:23 | jhMikeS | the addition, subtraction and matrix scaling accounts for the normalized values |
| 11:19:00 | markun | ah, ok |
| 11:19:00 | LinusN | pondlife: good news: your beloved friend just woke up after surgery, and he's just fine :-) |
| 11:19:29 | LinusN | petur: 21:45 on friday? |
| 11:19:52 | Lynx_ | what should the bitrate be when i transcode video with mencoder? also around 600? |
| 11:20:01 | Soap | Overand: I'm always interested in second generation Minis. |
| 11:20:25 | jhMikeS | in fact, it's to the letter on the CCIR 601 standard for YCrCb video (which _is_ YUV with the MPEG ranges) |
| 11:20:30 | markun | jhMikeS: can you comment on my changes then? http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/yuv_update.diff |
| 11:20:35 | Soap | (but it's not like I need another iPod in this house) ;) |
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| 11:20:42 | LinusN | pondlife: the transplant was not the easiest, many pins on that sucker |
| 11:21:01 | Llorean | Lynx_: 600 is quite high for the H300 |
| 11:21:12 | Llorean | Was that what player you said you had? |
| 11:21:44 | Lynx_ | Llorean: i just also tried with 100, and still get only 1 fps. i remember watching fluent videos with very early versions of mpegplayer |
| 11:21:48 | Lynx_ | Llorean: a h300 |
| 11:22:03 | markun | jhMikeS: the normalisation is done by changing the factors, I could change the comments to make that a bit clearer |
| 11:22:14 | Llorean | Lynx_: The best the H300 ever got fullscreen was _maybe_ 15fps |
| 11:22:39 | Llorean | And that's under exceedingly ideal situations, without sound. |
| 11:22:45 | Lynx_ | Llorean: hmm, ok. What I remember was without sound, too. |
| 11:23:08 | Llorean | You should be encoding at 10fps |
| 11:23:12 | Lynx_ | Llorean: But still I'm far below even 15 fps, and wondering what I'm doing wrong... |
| 11:23:14 | firenx | rockbox r0x0rs my b0x0rs |
| 11:23:19 | Llorean | Lynx_: What is the file encoded at? |
| 11:23:51 | Llorean | Lynx_: Turn off frameskip, turn off framerate limiting, and turn on the FPS display, and see what it says it's decoding at like that. |
| 11:24:03 | Lynx_ | Llorean: 224x128, sound 128, 100 bitrate |
| 11:24:11 | Lynx_ | k |
| 11:24:13 | Llorean | Lynx_: What framerate? |
| 11:24:19 | Llorean | Lynx_: What framerate is the file, rather? |
| 11:24:20 | jhMikeS | the Cb, Cr should be scaled down by 224/256 |
| 11:24:47 | Lynx_ | Llorean: damn, i forgot to change the framerate down from 25, i guess that's too high |
| 11:24:57 | markun | jhMikeS: not 224/255? |
| 11:25:14 | Llorean | Lynx_: Yes, that's far too high. What does rockbox decode at if you set the options as I described? |
| 11:25:18 | markun | and Y by 219/255? |
| 11:26:27 | jhMikeS | it's num levels/old num levels, for the proportion, no? |
| 11:27:05 | pondlife | LinusN: !!!!! |
| 11:27:08 | markun | well, the num levels for Cb and Cr is 225 |
| 11:27:13 | pondlife | Many many thanks |
| 11:27:24 | LinusN | lunch time |
| 11:27:30 | pondlife | You earnt it |
| 11:28:32 | Lynx_ | Llorean: about 9 fps for the elephants dream full screen version |
| 11:28:57 | jhMikeS | markun: right...super tired here |
| 11:29:02 | markun | :) |
| 11:29:19 | markun | I was falling asleep as well when I worked on it last night |
| 11:29:32 | Llorean | Lynx_: Then you can expect some frame skipping even with it encoded at 10fps, though I think the elephant's dream videos are encoded at a high bitrate |
| 11:30:00 | Lynx_ | Llorean: ok, i'll play with the parameters some more |
| 11:30:25 | * | Soap wonders if the "slow" video-playing targets should use CBR for consistantcy, or if that wouldn't accomplish anything. |
| 11:30:27 | Llorean | Lynx_: What OS are you on? |
| 11:30:32 | Lynx_ | Llorean: win |
| 11:30:48 | Llorean | Lynx_: Try the WinFF presets for H300 on the PluginMpegplayer page and let me know how they go |
| 11:31:04 | Lynx_ | Llorean: k |
| 11:31:28 | Llorean | Soap: Right now all of the WinFF presets I've set up use a target bitrate instead of a quantization level |
| 11:31:33 | jhMikeS | This matrix works for the scale on the devices (original one used before the emac version): |
| 11:31:34 | jhMikeS | 74 0 101 |
| 11:31:34 | jhMikeS | 74 -24 -51 |
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| 11:31:34 | jhMikeS | 74 128 0 |
| 11:32:13 | Lynx_ | Llorean: hmm, after setting 15 fps, 400 kbit/sec there is not picture at all anymore (mencoder) |
| 11:32:21 | Soap | Llorean: I was thinking more about elephant's dream, which is highly VBR. |
| 11:32:35 | Llorean | Lynx_: mencoder may not encode video at 15fps, it's not strictly speaking "legal" so you may have to figure out how to override it |
| 11:32:37 | Soap | (well the "wiki" encodes) |
| 11:32:42 | Soap | neither here nor there. |
| 11:33:11 | Llorean | Soap: Ah, well I think for those it doesn't matter. All we need to know is, when launched on target with the settings already set right, what does it say the FPS is at the end of the file. :) |
| 11:33:33 | petur | LinusN: 21:45 on friday, yes |
| 11:33:38 | firenx | hmm my backlight wont turn off its only set for 10 seconds.. |
| 11:33:46 | Soap | true, with rebuffering now the FPS can actually me measured at the end of the file on all targets./ |
| 11:33:52 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 11:33:52 | * | jhMikeS is thinking maybe an asm lcd_write_yuv420_lines is in order to sharpen his ARM skills |
| 11:33:59 | Llorean | Soap: Well, right now there's a minor bug |
| 11:34:16 | Llorean | When you reach the end of the file, it keeps playing what's in the buffer from the last rebuffer. |
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| 11:34:31 | Llorean | So you get an endless loop of the last X minutes of your video, until you manually hit stop |
| 11:34:41 | Soap | I noticed that, but didn't investigate enough to submit a bug report yet. |
| 11:34:49 | Llorean | Linuxstb is quite aware of it |
| 11:34:57 | linuxstb | That doesn't happen on all files though - I think it's when there isn't an end-of-stream packet in the file. |
| 11:35:13 | Llorean | linuxstb: Ah, I just know it happens on all of the files I've made. :) |
| 11:35:27 | linuxstb | Elephants Dream stops fine for me... |
| 11:35:45 | Llorean | I hadn't tried that since rebuffering |
| 11:36:13 | linuxstb | afaik, mencoder doesn't need special options to encode at 15fps - it just does it. |
| 11:36:53 | linuxstb | Soap: Regarding benchmarking, the number of frames dropped in order to maintain a/v sync is a useful measure as well. |
| 11:37:04 | linuxstb | (that's the second number in the fps display line) |
| 11:37:15 | Llorean | linuxstb: Well, for Lynx_, he's apparently just getting a video stream it sounds like. |
| 11:38:06 | Lynx_ | lunch, bbl |
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| 11:40:52 | jhMikeS | we can do parallel dma transfers on gigabeat...convert data while dma is going it appears |
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| 11:41:53 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Which DMA? The dma from FRAME to the LCD hardware? |
| 11:42:36 | jhMikeS | sure, do a few lines, start a transfer, and do some more while it's going |
| 11:43:04 | linuxstb | I didn't think we could start the transfers manually - I thought they happened automatically 25 times a second? |
| 11:43:53 | jhMikeS | on gigabeat in lcd_update_rect it appear to be started manually and then just waited for |
| 11:44:08 | linuxstb | Yes, that's the DMA from lcd_framebuffer to FRAME. |
| 11:44:18 | linuxstb | The LCD hardware then transfers from FRAME to the LCD hardware. |
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| 11:44:40 | linuxstb | The lcd_yuv_blit just writes directly into FRAME afaik. |
| 11:45:29 | Llorean | Does that mean there are only 25 frames per second actually drawn to the LCD? |
| 11:45:39 | linuxstb | Llorean: That's what markun has told me, yes. |
| 11:45:48 | petur | hahaha on topic for devcon: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/30/swim_the_atlantic/ for those in the US attending devcon ;) |
| 11:46:14 | Llorean | linuxstb: Alright, I had wondered about something. Would that explain the strange diagonal tearing every now and then? |
| 11:46:20 | Llorean | A change in FRAME during an update? |
| 11:46:36 | pondlife | petur: lol |
| 11:46:39 | jhMikeS | well, we could just have it write to frame at the same time we convert to memory since writing to mem should be faster, right? |
| 11:46:59 | linuxstb | Llorean: Probably. Although I get a similar effect on my ipod. |
| 11:47:49 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I'm not sure what you mean - the lcd_yuv_blit writes directly to FRAME now. |
| 11:48:05 | jhMikeS | but frame is on the LCD bus or not? |
| 11:48:08 | markun | no |
| 11:48:11 | linuxstb | No, FRAME is just SDRAM. |
| 11:48:19 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 11:48:38 | linuxstb | It's location is written to some registers in the LCD controller, and the LCD controller blits it to the LCD hardware. |
| 11:48:51 | jhMikeS | so what's with the dma blit stuff? |
| 11:48:51 | linuxstb | (at 25Hz) |
| 11:48:58 | linuxstb | That's just a copy from RAM to RAM |
| 11:49:14 | linuxstb | There are two framebuffers - the normall lcd_framebuffer[] and FRAME[]. |
| 11:49:35 | linuxstb | The lcd_update() calls copy from lcd_framebuffer to FRAME using DMA. |
| 11:49:40 | Llorean | Does it seem possible we'll have a way around the 25hz limit in the future, or is it outside of things we have the potential power to change? |
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| 11:50:33 | markun | jhMikeS, Llorean, linuxstb: I updated the comments and recalculated the values: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/yuv_update.diff |
| 11:50:39 | jhMikeS | so we need the lcd_framebuffer because FRAME would constantly be moved to the lcd? |
| 11:51:09 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 11:51:10 | TheSphinX^ | is there anyone who knows details on the iax5 RTC driver? |
| 11:51:50 | jhMikeS | noone knows a way to block the updates to sync them or is it known to be impossible? |
| 11:52:09 | bluebrother | petur: ROTFL |
| 11:52:16 | markun | jhMikeS, linuxstb: when you turn off the LCD updating the screen slowly fades to white, so I guess we can't just do it at lcd_update |
| 11:52:30 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: markun will correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think we have docs on the lcd controller - the current driver is reverse-engineered. |
| 11:52:53 | markun | linuxstb: yes, you are right |
| 11:53:29 | markun | I think the problem is that unlike the other LCD modules, the one in the Gigabeat doesn't have a internal framebuffer |
| 11:53:49 | markun | (the others do you have one, right?) |
| 11:54:20 | jhMikeS | I wonder if the OF requires a separate buffer to work then. Wish I had a nice disassemler. I'm always looking for an edge to kill unneeded ops |
| 11:54:32 | BigBambi | petur: The Google Maps route from New York to London has you swimming to Le Havre, then getting the tunnel back to the UK! |
| 11:54:35 | markun | jhMikeS: yes, it does |
| 11:55:05 | linuxstb | markun: Didn't the Toshiba firmware have debugging symbols still in it? |
| 11:55:14 | bluebrother | Llorean: you said the RB bootloader can load IPL? How? |
| 11:55:19 | markun | well, the linux kernel modules do |
| 11:55:22 | bluebrother | or is there some documentation somewhere? |
| 11:55:41 | Llorean | bluebrother: It's not very documented |
| 11:55:52 | Llorean | bluebrother: Create an ext2 partition, put the iPod Linux filesystem on it |
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| 11:56:02 | linuxstb | bluebrother: It's not documented at all... But hold PLAY and it will load a linux.bin file from the root of the FAT32 partition. |
| 11:56:06 | Llorean | bluebrother: And copy the binary to linux.bin (it may be linux.ipod now) on the fat32 partiton |
| 11:56:08 | markun | linuxstb: do you think we should use the frame start interrupt from the LCD controller to sync our updating? |
| 11:56:14 | Llorean | bluebrother: Then hold Play while booting |
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| 11:56:51 | Llorean | linuxstb: For the Gigabeat then, might it be better to encode videos at 25fps, and allow the encoder to deal with framerate mismatch instead of the screen updates? |
| 11:57:12 | linuxstb | Llorean: There's one way to find out... |
| 11:57:26 | Llorean | linuxstb: Well, since you didn't say "No, that's a pretty stupid idea" I'll give it a shot. :) |
| 11:57:37 | linuxstb | But I doubt the difference would be that noticable, so it's simpler to just keep the source framerate. |
| 11:57:58 | linuxstb | e.g. the ED video is 24fps, and looks very smooth to me. |
| 11:58:20 | markun | yes, my 24fps futurama episodes also look ok |
| 11:58:31 | markun | not perfect |
| 11:58:55 | Llorean | Yes, my TV shows look good. |
| 11:59:26 | Llorean | My rip of gladiator has a little bit of an awkward jerky feel to it though, and I'm not sure yet what's causing it.i |
| 11:59:33 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Also, depending on which way the wind is blowing, rolo may load an IPL kernel which you've converted to ".ipod" format with tools/scramble -add=ipvd (replace ipvd with your ipod model) |
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| 12:02:29 | jhMikeS | (y-16)*74 >> 9, and the like is easier than all that's going on there right now. that jpeg.c code isn't really speed oriented. the coldfire ones also save the chroma calcs for two full lines and just reload from a small mem buffer. |
| 12:03:09 | Llorean | linuxstb: Nah, no improvement by encoding at 25. If anything, it's worse. |
| 12:04:16 | markun | jhMikeS: interested in working on the gigabeat lcd driver? |
| 12:04:26 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Are you interested in looking at the Coldfire optimisations to mpegplayer in flyspray and committing them? The IDCT patch, plus using IRAM (although the IRAM one doesn't work any more due to libmad needing IRAM as well). |
| 12:05:03 | jhMikeS | markun: I don't think I'll be able to resist it...the x5 one got me "in" in the first place |
| 12:05:25 | markun | jhMikeS: shall I commit my stuff until you replace it with yours? |
| 12:05:33 | markun | the lack of the -16 was wrong anyway |
| 12:05:33 | scorche | petur: it is friday...where is our BOFH? |
| 12:05:53 | jhMikeS | sure...I've got the ARM assembly itch there wherever it would help |
| 12:06:03 | petur | scorche: indeed, I'm also waiting for it ;) |
| 12:06:03 | markun | ok, great |
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| 12:07:16 | jhMikeS | the flip, invert and contrast are a bit on the outside atm. does the OF set contrast or anything? |
| 12:07:51 | bluebrother | Llorean, linuxstb: thanks. Wasn't aware of that :) |
| 12:08:08 | Llorean | bluebrother: It's entirely possible that there's less than 10 people who've ever actually used it for that |
| 12:08:15 | Llorean | I'm almost positive I was the first to do it on a Nano. :) |
| 12:08:28 | * | jhMikeS wonders if it's dangerous to poke at the controller at random |
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| 12:08:34 | bluebrother | hmm, then I maybe should do it only to add to this number ;-) |
| 12:09:36 | bluebrother | feature requests ... feature requests ... feature requests |
| 12:09:46 | bluebrother | over 500 currently :( |
| 12:10:19 | markun | jhMikeS: no, but the OF is hardly a good showcase of what the hardware is capable of |
| 12:11:11 | jhMikeS | how do we know what it's capable of? it there any OF for any device that uses it fully? maybe that should REd if do. |
| 12:11:12 | bluebrother | is it only me who thinks requests "please support X as its present" are kinda useless if it's simply something that hasn't been implemented yet? |
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| 12:12:46 | markun | jhMikeS: I'm not sure what you are saying, but for example the LED controller for the backlight can change the brightness in 64 steps. Only 2 of them are used in the OF. |
| 12:13:10 | markun | (3 if you count backlight off) |
| 12:13:52 | jhMikeS | I was just thinking there some other devices that were marketed that used that lcd and used the controller more thoroughly or something. |
| 12:14:25 | jhMikeS | perhaps not even a DAP |
| 12:14:51 | markun | jhMikeS: I was not refering to OFs in general, just to the Gigabeat one. |
| 12:15:15 | Llorean | bluebrother: Feature requests for "Please finish (incomplete thing)" are safe to close, I think |
| 12:15:26 | Llorean | With "Invalid" in my mind. "Hurry up" isn't a feature. |
| 12:15:39 | jhMikeS | right...me too...but some other device that shares that hardware and has OF that could tell us more about it maybe |
| 12:15:43 | petur | aliask: did you really intend to give an 8 to that GSOC application? |
| 12:16:09 | Llorean | petur: I suspected a double click. |
| 12:16:17 | Llorean | Like my accidental double comment. |
| 12:16:24 | petur | me too, that's why I asked |
| 12:16:24 | Llorean | It told me it didn't complete, and I trusted it. |
| 12:17:32 | jhMikeS | would be funny if the chip were actually documented somewhere under some other part number. I wonder if I could happen across something that rings a bell. |
| 12:17:49 | petur | lunch! |
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| 12:18:01 | markun | jhMikeS: I believe the Gigabeat S uses the same LCD module as the X, the F and X use the same LCD kernel module, so they should have the same controller chip. |
| 12:19:17 | jhMikeS | toshiba has lcd chips that are documented? |
| 12:19:18 | markun | jhMikeS: These bytes are written to the LCD module during LCD init, maybe it can help us to identify the controller? http://130.89.160.166/Gigabeat/spi.txt |
| 12:19:56 | jhMikeS | that's the order they're written? |
| 12:19:59 | markun | yes |
| 12:20:12 | markun | wait, I'll give you the actual disassembly |
| 12:20:41 | markun | http://130.89.160.166/Gigabeat/lcd.asm |
| 12:21:07 | markun | look for spiSend |
| 12:23:23 | jhMikeS | we'll it's clear that the first byte is a register and the second a value anyway...or something like that :P |
| 12:24:29 | jhMikeS | or maybe a high and low...oy I'll give a better look after sleep |
| 12:25:02 | markun | jhMikeS: here are some LCD drivers from Toshiba (didn't look at them yet) http://www.datasheetcatalog.com/toshiba/88/ |
| 12:26:30 | jhMikeS | yeah, I think I'll see later if any sequences in the datasheets match up to that stuff |
| 12:29:52 | jhMikeS | at the very least they have to have enough outs to drive that screen :) |
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| 12:38:11 | LinusN | petur: 21:45 is not too late, is it arlanda? |
| 12:38:58 | jhMikeS | markun: only one chip in the glass or several? |
| 12:41:41 | aliask | petur: Which application? I thought 4 was the max anyway... |
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| 12:42:25 | scorche | aliask: from what i hear, you can press any of the rating amounts as many times as wanted |
| 12:43:14 | leftright | er, shouldn't the date on the Devcon page be 2007 and not 2006, we are in 2007 right ? |
| 12:43:29 | linuxstb | LinusN: You should find Elephants Dream on the gigabeat a lot smoother today - it was a bug in mpegplayer making it drop a lot more frames than it needed to. |
| 12:43:33 | LinusN | leftright: where does it say 2006? |
| 12:44:00 | Llorean | aliask: It's cumulative, you can do +4 and +4 and you get +8. Or +1 and +2 if you need 3 for some reason. |
| 12:44:01 | LinusN | linuxstb: yes, i have just built a new gigabeat binary, will try soon |
| 12:44:06 | leftright | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevCon2006 or is that last years page |
| 12:44:18 | LinusN | leftright: that's last year's page |
| 12:44:20 | scorche | leftright: see the topic |
| 12:44:39 | leftright | ahah, thats last years page, hehe, i had better wake up soon |
| 12:44:46 | aliask | Ah, finally found which application it was... I guess I'll demote the points |
| 12:45:34 | leftright | sorry for the false alarm, |
| 12:46:49 | * | jhMikeS would also like to know what the marking were that toffe found...never know when luck might strike |
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| 12:47:42 | pondlife | Hmm, manual gurus: is this the wrong screenshot: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodmini2g/rockbox-buildch5.html#x8-730005 |
| 12:47:43 | pondlife | ? |
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| 12:49:09 | aliask | pondlife: Not wrong, just old (talking about 5.1?) |
| 12:49:26 | pondlife | Yes. |
| 12:49:47 | pondlife | Hmm, I'd never thought of the "settings menu" as being the "main menu" |
| 12:50:09 | aliask | Oh. Heh didn't even see that... |
| 12:50:25 | aliask | No wait, it is just old |
| 12:50:39 | aliask | Pre "root menu"/main menu |
| 12:50:46 | pondlife | Yep. Old, but confusing. |
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| 12:51:20 | markun | jhMikeS: only one |
| 12:51:20 | pondlife | Probably best to wait for the settings to be rearranged before updating. I heard plans to scrap General Settings at least. |
| 12:52:05 | markun | LinusN: did you make the build after my update to the LCD driver? |
| 12:52:33 | LinusN | no, before |
| 12:56:09 | jhMikeS | markun: don't recall the marking or have them? I'm curious anyway. |
| 12:57:22 | LinusN | pondlife: ah, nice, The Rutles! |
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| 12:58:07 | pondlife | :) |
| 12:58:31 | pondlife | LinusN: For comedy, I quite like Cassetteboy - The Parker Tapes |
| 12:58:54 | LinusN | never heard of |
| 12:59:25 | pondlife | Seek and ye shall find. It's not subtle, and maybe a bit anglo-centric. |
| 13:00 |
| 13:00:13 | LinusN | :-) |
| 13:00:25 | pondlife | A good album for Rockbox testing too.. 99 short tracks |
| 13:00:42 | pondlife | Soon shows up the problems where we have 32 buffered tracks. |
| 13:00:48 | LinusN | :-) |
| 13:01:05 | pondlife | Track 5 is a classic |
| 13:01:44 | LinusN | :-) |
| 13:01:51 | aliask | :) |
| 13:02:04 | pondlife | aliask: You heard it too? |
| 13:02:15 | aliask | No, I was just smiling because everyone else was :) |
| 13:02:19 | pondlife | :( |
| 13:02:23 | pondlife | ;p |
| 13:03:02 | pondlife | Seriously, after a few hundred listens, just thinking about that Cassetteboy album makes me lol.. |
| 13:03:17 | pondlife | I think I may have suffered some kind of UDA damage in my brain |
| 13:03:25 | aliask | I might have to look it up, sounds good. |
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| 13:03:36 | pondlife | Maybe not good... amusing though |
| 13:03:41 | pondlife | Bad but amusing |
| 13:04:08 | LinusN | poor jamie oliver :-) |
| 13:04:10 | pondlife | They did some other stuff that was bad and not even amusing |
| 13:05:11 | pondlife | "I'm pretty damn simple. " "I'm a little bit wet" |
| 13:05:21 | LinusN | maybe it was cassetteboy that made the poor uda1380 blow up |
| 13:05:30 | pondlife | Maybe |
| 13:06:27 | pondlife | I still wonder about my electrics and/or charger. |
| 13:08:40 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:11:03 | pondlife | lol "Since when have I worn woolies?" |
| 13:12:35 | preglow | what format are ipod video files? mpeg4 + aac? |
| 13:13:10 | Llorean | preglow: h264, I believe |
| 13:13:21 | Llorean | I think they can also do DiVX mpeg4 but I'm not sure. |
| 13:14:10 | preglow | yeah, h264 |
| 13:14:37 | * | jhMikeS guesses the chip might just be a source/gate driver with shift regs that need constant clocking or something but he's just spouting crud atm |
| 13:14:39 | Llorean | h264 is very, very pretty. |
| 13:16:12 | petur | LinusN: flight seems to be to Stockholm Bromma, is that a bad choice? |
| 13:16:55 | petur | (airport code BMA) |
| 13:18:03 | LinusN | not at all |
| 13:19:05 | petur | good... will probably book this weekend after a final talk at home ;) |
| 13:19:30 | LinusN | bromma is a lot closer than arlanda |
| 13:19:45 | petur | oh goodie |
| 13:20:50 | scorche | anyone going from the US that will let me hop into a carry-on bag? |
| 13:21:15 | petur | arrival friday 21:45, departure monday 07:05 - I hope busses run that early... |
| 13:21:53 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, h264 with AAC audio. |
| 13:22:37 | LinusN | petur: don't worry |
| 13:26:14 | markun | jhMikeS: I can look in the #gigabeat logs for the markings |
| 13:27:06 | petur | err... the ticket is 20 euro cheaper if I order it through a Swedish website :( |
| 13:28:05 | jhMikeS | markun: you know which chip is actually getting the commands? it seems like no real action happens on the display but in whichever chip does the refreshing. |
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| 13:30:47 | Lynx_ | Llorean: so, with your winff settings i get 7 fps for my file |
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| 13:33:13 | Llorean | Lynx_: Alright, I was afraid that might be the case, I've got the audio and video bitrate probably both higher than they need to be. |
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| 13:34:05 | Llorean | Lynx_: Try video at 150, and audio at maybe 80 |
| 13:34:23 | Lynx_ | Llorean: yeah, i'm just trying different ones |
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| 13:34:51 | Llorean | Lynx_: I'm trying to compile a list of settings for that which play back decently, and look at least "okay" if/when it's possible |
| 13:35:00 | Llorean | Also, make sure you're using a fairly recent build |
| 13:35:13 | Llorean | Because the frameskipping code has improved somewhat to be less aggressive (less unnecessary skips) |
| 13:35:16 | markun | jhMikeS: which chip gets the SPI commands? |
| 13:35:17 | Lynx_ | Llorean: i'm using todays. |
| 13:36:00 | Llorean | Lynx_: "Today" is a 24 hour period |
| 13:36:43 | Lynx_ | Llorean: heh, i downloaded it about 4 hours ago |
| 13:36:54 | LinusN | linuxstb: the movie playback is smooth and nice now! |
| 13:37:05 | jhMikeS | markun: yes...is it the ltm022? |
| 13:37:25 | Llorean | Lynx_: As long as it's revision is 12967 or later |
| 13:37:26 | markun | jhMikeS: yes, and inside the ltm022 there is a small chip embedded in the glass |
| 13:37:44 | markun | with some markings, but I can't find them at the moment |
| 13:37:47 | Llorean | Lynx_: The fact that you said "today's" makes me fear you downloaded a daily build |
| 13:39:46 | markun | jhMikeS: check http://www.hack.id.au/files/gigabeat/irc/gigabeat/2006.09.21 at 15:12:17 |
| 13:42:11 | jhMikeS | wish I had that chip on hand if it's bare. I've got a microscope |
| 13:42:44 | LinusN | jhMikeS: the gigabeat? |
| 13:42:48 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 13:42:55 | LinusN | is it hard to open? |
| 13:43:22 | jhMikeS | it's got some weird bare video chip embedded in the display glass apparently and no info on it atm |
| 13:43:50 | LinusN | chip-on-glass, very common |
| 13:44:16 | LinusN | and there are markings on it? |
| 13:44:31 | jhMikeS | with a busted display supplied to me, perhaps I could put in the microscope and see any etched numbers on it |
| 13:44:37 | markun | LinusN: check the link I just posted |
| 13:44:52 | markun | jhMikeS: you can't do it with a working LCD? |
| 13:45:05 | markun | I'm sure toffe has some broken LCD modules, ask him to send you one |
| 13:45:16 | jhMikeS | I don't know...I'm not really up for destroying mine to do it ;) |
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| 13:45:44 | Lynx_ | Llorean: so audio 96, video 192 @ 15 fps got me 7 fps on the player and searching for a paperclip upont pressing stop... |
| 13:46:14 | Llorean | Lynx_: Was it 4:3 or 16:9? |
| 13:46:21 | Llorean | Lynx_: 4:3 should playback at ~10 |
| 13:46:24 | Lynx_ | Llorean: 16:9 |
| 13:46:27 | Llorean | Hrm |
| 13:46:32 | linuxstb | Lynx_: Do you have the Skip Frames and Limit FPS options enabled? |
| 13:46:36 | Llorean | Lynx_: And what revision number is your build? |
| 13:48:15 | Lynx_ | Llorean: i have everything off, ver 12968 |
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| 13:51:35 | Lynx_ | Llorean: something is not right witht the mpeg winff generates, my standard player doesn't play it correctly (although mplayer does), and mpegplayer crashes upon stopping |
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| 13:52:17 | Llorean | Lynx_: It's just ffmpeg, which is pretty widely considered "fine" |
| 13:52:47 | Lynx_ | Llorean: i know. so, can i set the frame rate below 15, or is that against mpeg2 specs? |
| 13:52:58 | Llorean | You can set to 10 or 12 |
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| 13:53:30 | Llorean | What I meant, though, is that I'd like some actual evidence that the mpegs aren't right, beyond "My standard player doesn't like them" |
| 13:53:49 | Llorean | Crashes on mpegplayer right now are semi-expected, it may not be killing the video thread properly. |
| 13:53:56 | Llorean | Err, ending |
| 13:55:02 | Lynx_ | ok |
| 13:56:13 | Llorean | I've had no problems playing back the files anywhere, on multiple pc-side players, so right now it's "one player on one computer doesn't like it." :) |
| 13:56:31 | Lynx_ | sure, i get that. |
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| 14:12:27 | BigBambi | Llorean: Interestingly, the files made by WinFF won't play properly for me on Zoom Player, but are fine on target and virtualdub opens them OK too |
| 14:12:50 | Lynx_ | Llorean: so, with sound bitrate down to 48, video at 192 with 10 fps i can get up to 8 fps on the player. but sound is never in sync. |
| 14:12:57 | BigBambi | I haven't investigated as I don't care as long as they are OK on target :) |
| 14:13:16 | Llorean | BigBambi: What does Zoom player do? |
| 14:13:38 | Lynx_ | Llorean: it's a windows media player |
| 14:13:43 | BigBambi | The sound plays OK, but the picture is all corrupted (lots of bright green) and doesn't change |
| 14:13:58 | Lynx_ | Llorean: that's what i have on my software player |
| 14:14:01 | Llorean | Lynx_: Until you turn frameskip and framerate limiting on, sound is unlikely to ever be in sync |
| 14:14:19 | Llorean | Wait, so you're both using Zoom Player, and you're both having it not play what should be perfectly valid mpeg-2 files? |
| 14:14:23 | Lynx_ | Llorean: it's not in sync even with that on, sound is always too fast |
| 14:14:29 | BigBambi | Llorean: sounds like it |
| 14:14:36 | Llorean | Sounds like a Zoom Player problem, so far. ;) |
| 14:14:43 | Lynx_ | Llorean: i have bs player |
| 14:14:46 | BigBambi | I'll look what filter zoom player tries to use to play them back |
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| 14:15:04 | Lynx_ | Lynx_: but they play fine in mplayer, so it might be a problem of some codec we both have |
| 14:15:10 | Lynx_ | eh, Llorean |
| 14:15:14 | GodEater_ | x344ekl |
| 14:15:19 | GodEater_ | oops |
| 14:15:33 | Llorean | I'd be curious to know if your players are using directshow filters or internal/external codecs |
| 14:15:48 | BigBambi | Llorean: Yes, as VirtualDub opens them fine on my computer, the filters are abviously there and the file is fine |
| 14:15:55 | Llorean | Lynx_: When you have frameskip and framerate limiting on, what does it report the frame rate as? |
| 14:15:58 | BigBambi | One mo, I'll check what filter Zoom Player is using |
| 14:16:08 | PaulJam | roolku: hi, could it be, that your fix for the runtimedata on stop or end of playlist cuases a bug, that the autoscore is now also changed if you stop playback? |
| 14:16:22 | Llorean | BigBambi: I know it works fine in my Directshow based players, but I have a recent version of the ffmpeg directshow filters installed. |
| 14:16:56 | Lynx_ | Llorean: 7-9.5, depending on the scene, the one with fast camera movement less. it goes up to 10 when the sound is finished before the video is. |
| 14:16:59 | BigBambi | Llorean: I'll see what both VirtualDub and Zoom Player use |
| 14:17:55 | Llorean | Lynx_: Frameskip should keep it at 10, it sounds like frameskip isn't keeping up... =/ |
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| 14:18:31 | Lynx_ | Llorean: so the sound can't be in sync either |
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| 14:20:56 | Llorean | Lynx_: As I said, it sounds like frameskip isn't keeping up. |
| 14:22:05 | BigBambi | Llorean: OK, VirtualDub and VLC play it fine (using ffmpeg), Zoom Player is currently trying to use "MPEG Decoder" which is quartz.dll. Clearly this is the problem. I'd suggest that Lynx_ video player is also using an odd/old decoded |
| 14:22:23 | BigBambi | I'm just going to set Zoom Player to use ffmpeg and check that it does indeed fiz it |
| 14:22:28 | BigBambi | fiz/fix |
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| 14:27:19 | roolku | PaulJam: autoscore is calculated from the runtime info (100*playtime/length/playcount) so since this is now collected on pressing stop, yes it is affected |
| 14:28:11 | roolku | PaulJam: see my discussion with Slasheri a few days back |
| 14:28:35 | PaulJam | thanks, i'll read the logs |
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| 14:42:54 | liberty_ | Is it possible to PLAY a cue sheet,not just displaying it? |
| 14:43:37 | luckz | I didn't know rockbox could display cue sheet content. |
| 14:43:55 | PaulJam | Have you enabled the option to use cuesheets in rockbox? |
| 14:44:03 | Llorean | luckz: They're just text files. |
| 14:44:12 | liberty_ | Yes it can display it just llike a musik. |
| 14:44:16 | Llorean | But yeah, cuesheets should automatically be loaded if their filename matches the audio file, and they're enabled. |
| 14:44:22 | liberty_ | It can parse the cue sheet. |
| 14:44:30 | Llorean | you run the audio file, not the cuesheet, I believe |
| 14:44:59 | luckz | well, having cue sheet stuff in my playlist makes rockbox be confused for a bit and then skip the tracks in question, here |
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| 14:45:22 | Llorean | "cue sheet stuff?" |
| 14:45:41 | liberty_ | The name matches,CD.mp3 and CD.cue |
| 14:45:42 | bluebrother | you add the audio file to the playlist, not the cue sheet |
| 14:46:20 | luckz | how does rockbox format that inside playlists? |
| 14:46:34 | bluebrother | it doesn't. |
| 14:46:37 | luckz | I had reasonably bad experiences with most possible playlist creation options |
| 14:46:56 | bluebrother | it displays the tracks inside of the cue as markers in the progress bar |
| 14:47:00 | bluebrother | (AFAIK) |
| 14:47:01 | luckz | uh. k. |
| 14:47:21 | luckz | that's not really useful for me, then. I'd need to have single tracks as single playlist entries. |
| 14:47:37 | bluebrother | I would prefer having it as multiple entries in the playlist, but it doesn't work that way atm. |
| 14:47:37 | Llorean | Why? |
| 14:47:41 | luckz | but okay, I didn't know that. |
| 14:47:51 | PaulJam | roolku: do you think it is save to just revert the change locally, or does some recent change rely on that commit. |
| 14:47:52 | luckz | Llorean: for shuffle playback |
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| 14:47:57 | Llorean | luckz: Then split the file |
| 14:48:00 | Llorean | Problem solved |
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| 14:48:28 | * | bluebrother never understood the need for cue sheets as there are enough file formats that support gapless encoding |
| 14:48:46 | Llorean | bluebrother: Heck, nowadays even the non-gapless formats can do it if you try hard enough. :) |
| 14:49:04 | bluebrother | right, but that's more work ;-) |
| 14:49:09 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 14:49:14 | Llorean | luckz: So, why can't you split the file/ |
| 14:49:15 | Llorean | ? |
| 14:49:21 | roolku | PaulJam: completely safe |
| 14:49:31 | PaulJam | thank you |
| 14:50:13 | luckz | for one I naiively expect that lossy mp3 would get even more lossy then, though I know there's some lossless mp3 splitting app - did not get round to trying that one yet |
| 14:50:24 | luckz | (one that claims to be, at least) |
| 14:50:27 | liberty_ | Still don't get how to play it. The cue infomation didn't display when playing. |
| 14:50:53 | bluebrother | you can split mp3 files lossless when splitting at frame boundaries. |
| 14:51:05 | bluebrother | what do you expect to display, and what gets displayed? |
| 14:51:44 | PaulJam | liberty_: have you enabled cuesheet support in the playback options? |
| 14:52:11 | liberty_ | Emm? settings? |
| 14:52:25 | bluebrother | liberty_: remember you need to reboot for this setting to take effect (iirc) |
| 14:52:26 | roolku | PaulJam: the actual bug is that it uses the wrong index on stop and tries to record the runtime info for the second to last track, however it doesn't actually do it, as it keeps track of the fact that it already has |
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| 14:52:52 | Llorean | liberty_: What settings? Nobody said *anything* about it displaying settings. |
| 14:52:58 | Llorean | liberty_: We said it would display marks in the progress bar. |
| 14:53:23 | liberty_ | I will try |
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| 14:54:07 | Llorean | Bagder: X5 dailies are still bad? |
| 14:54:39 | Bagder | no idea |
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| 14:55:07 | Llorean | Bagder: The filesize is still 415kb, so it looks a lot like they are. |
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| 14:55:27 | Bagder | I haven't had any time to check it yet |
| 14:55:36 | Bagder | the nano ones look bad too |
| 14:55:53 | Llorean | It's missing plugins, viewers, anything that gets compiled I think. |
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| 14:58:07 | kynes | does rockbox run on Sandisk MX1 ? |
| 14:58:41 | petur | kynes: is it listed on rockbox.org? |
| 14:59:25 | kynes | petur : I guess no.. it says Sansa E200 series.. but I was just curious |
| 14:59:52 | kynes | petur : will the old models be supported? |
| 14:59:55 | markun | kynes: nice player? |
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| 15:00:33 | kynes | markun : yes, it is not so old and it is widespread.. mine is 512 MB |
| 15:00:48 | kynes | markun : but it doesn't play wma or any other than mp3 |
| 15:00:49 | Llorean | kynes: Players get supported if people who own the players make the effort to port to them. |
| 15:00:59 | bluebrother | kynes: Rockbox doesn't play wma either |
| 15:01:02 | markun | kynes: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 15:01:05 | linuxstb | kynes: Supporting a player in Rockbox is a _LOT_ of work - only a very small number of players (those with owners who chose to invest the months of time needed to port Rockbox) will ever be supported. |
| 15:01:25 | kynes | Llorean : I would do my best but I don't know exactly how to develop a firmware |
| 15:01:32 | BigBambi | Llorean: OK, I finally fixed it - Zoom Player thought the MPEG2 file was MPEG1, and thus using the wrong filter. When I manually changed the graphs so that MPEG1 also use ffdshow, it played correctly |
| 15:01:41 | LinusN | kynes: then it's not for you... |
| 15:01:41 | kynes | Llorean : I have embedded software development experience but just for PIC 16f877 |
| 15:02:01 | LinusN | kynes: that's as good as anything |
| 15:02:18 | LinusN | you need to take it apart and find out as much as you can about the hardware |
| 15:02:22 | Llorean | BigBambi: Alright, so the question becomes "what caused it to be mis-identified". What was the framerate on the file? |
| 15:02:51 | kynes | LinusN : I'd take it apart if it was not the only player I had :) |
| 15:02:53 | BigBambi | Llorean: One mo, I'll check (25 fps I think) |
| 15:03:02 | liberty_ | I've heard of Iaudio X5 dual bootloader.Is there one for M5? |
| 15:03:20 | Llorean | liberty_: There's not an official one for the X5, nor M5. |
| 15:03:52 | luckz | rockbox doesn't support .fpl, does it? |
| 15:03:54 | BigBambi | Llorean: I don't have the original with me, but the converted one is 25 fps (and I don't think WinFF changes that - I didn't tell it to anyway) |
| 15:04:05 | Llorean | luckz: The only playlist format it supports is m3u/m3u8 |
| 15:04:08 | luckz | official dual bootloader seems hard to do due to licensing things with the original firmware |
| 15:04:16 | kynes | LinusN : oh... tracing with multimeter and reverse engineering the scheme? a lot of work.. |
| 15:04:28 | Llorean | BigBambi: WinFF shouldn't change it, no, I was just wondering if it was being converted to a weird framerate or something. |
| 15:04:31 | kynes | LinusN : I appreciate your work then.. |
| 15:04:39 | BigBambi | Doesn't seem to be |
| 15:04:56 | Llorean | BigBambi: Strange, then. =/ |
| 15:05:17 | luckz | kynes: not playing .wma is a feature |
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| 15:05:58 | kynes | luckz : how? |
| 15:06:18 | luckz | saves your sanity; ensures a better life |
| 15:06:34 | kynes | luckz : :) |
| 15:06:54 | Llorean | We'll never support DRM'ed WMA, and if it's content you own you should probably encode it into a better format anyway. |
| 15:07:01 | BigBambi | Llorean: When I look at file inormation in virtualdub, the decompressor info is missing. Could it be that the FourCC code (or whatever it is) isn't being set and so Zoom Player gets confused, but ffdshow autodetects regardless? |
| 15:07:09 | Llorean | It's possible that Rockbox will support WMA in the future though. Someday. |
| 15:07:18 | Nico_P | LinusN: my latest mail to the dev mailing list has a question about the archos player that's mostly directed to you and Bagder. I thought I'd mention it here because I just noticed it's not very visible and you might miss it |
| 15:08:27 | linuxstb | BigBambi, Llorean: Maybe the issue is the Program Stream packets in the stream - IIUC, there are both MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 program streams. mpegplayer handles both types, but maybe the issue is that ffmpeg is producing an MPEG-1 program stream containing an MPEG-2 video stream. |
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| 15:08:58 | Llorean | BigBambi: ffmpeg gives me the option to force a vtag/fourcc and atag/fourcc, do you think it should, or do you think that qualifies as a problem on the other player's end, since we're encoding the videos strictly for Rockbox anyway? |
| 15:09:09 | Llorean | Or it could be what linuxstb said |
| 15:10:32 | BigBambi | Llorean: tbh, I don't know. I was guessing, it could also be what linuxstb said. I'm not too worried as it works on target. The problem is that I encoded it 5 times or something as I tested it on the PC after conversion and it didn't work, so I assumed the file was incorrect. Now I know it isn't a problem, but we might get quite a few 'support' problems |
| 15:11:25 | linuxstb | Well, vlc is free and cross-platform - we should probably recommend that as the test-player for Rockbox mpegplayer problems. |
| 15:11:28 | BigBambi | Llorean: How do you force a fourcc? I could test and see if that is the solution. If it is, I don't see the harm in doing it |
| 15:11:32 | Llorean | linuxstb: There's a "format" for mpeg2video, but I don't know if that's just an m2v. Formats seem to include container/stream formats, since that's where you specify MP4, etc. |
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| 15:11:37 | BigBambi | linuxstb: Very true, but will people do that? |
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| 15:12:03 | Llorean | linuxstb: VLC is a lot more squeamish on framerates. |
| 15:12:13 | linuxstb | Llorean: When playing back files? |
| 15:12:17 | Llorean | When encoding |
| 15:12:37 | linuxstb | I'm not talking about encoding - just a recommended PC player for people to test files they've encoded for Rockbox. |
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| 15:12:51 | Llorean | If your video isn't exactly right, for example 23.976 instead of 23.976023, you just get no video stream. No warning, you don't find out until after a (potentially) long encode |
| 15:12:54 | Llorean | Ah |
| 15:12:58 | Llorean | Yeah, VLC would work fine for that |
| 15:12:59 | BigBambi | Llorean: we could say as first answer to "The encoding doesn't work, it's all rubbish" to try it in VLC |
| 15:12:59 | Bagder | Nico_P: afaik, amiconn is about the only living soul who has opinions about things on the Archos Player |
| 15:12:59 | linuxstb | BigBambi: That's up to them - all we can do is suggest a player. |
| 15:13:16 | dionoea | Llorean: you get a warning in the debug log :) |
| 15:13:21 | LinusN | Nico_P: i just read it, didn't miss it :-) |
| 15:13:36 | Nico_P | LinusN: ok :) |
| 15:13:42 | Nico_P | Bagder: I'll ask him |
| 15:13:51 | LinusN | Nico_P: you got the error in the sim, didn't you? |
| 15:14:17 | Nico_P | LinusN: yes, in the sim. no progressbars and crashes when I FF or RW |
| 15:14:26 | Llorean | BigBambi: Yeah, that works for me. |
| 15:14:30 | linuxstb | BTW, fourcc codes have nothing to do with mpeg files - they're just used internally by video players, and in AVI files, amongst other things. But they're not stored in mpeg files. |
| 15:14:57 | BigBambi | linuxstb: OK, cool it was just a guess :) |
| 15:15:07 | linuxstb | See here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FourCC |
| 15:15:23 | Llorean | linuxstb: I don't see any way to choose anything but transport stream, leading me to assume "mpeg2video" and "mpeg1video" formats are the program stream formats. |
| 15:15:49 | linuxstb | Llorean: Choose in what? |
| 15:15:49 | BigBambi | Cheers |
| 15:16:24 | Llorean | linuxstb: When encoding a video. |
| 15:16:37 | Llorean | I don't do anything to set the "format" right now, basically letting ffmpeg pick the stream. |
| 15:16:57 | linuxstb | LLorean: Ah, so you mean in ffmpeg? |
| 15:17:00 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 15:17:47 | Llorean | I guess though if it's creating files that are technically valid, I shouldn't tinker with it. |
| 15:19:05 | BigBambi | Llorean: I think it is OK, as they all work fine in rockbox, and we can tell people to check in VLC |
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| 15:29:30 | * | Llorean finally thinks he's lost his cool. |
| 15:29:50 | LinusN | :-) |
| 15:29:59 | pondlife | lol |
| 15:30:03 | Llorean | The Loader2 thing keeps coming back around though. |
| 15:30:05 | pondlife | That took long enough |
| 15:30:25 | Llorean | And it's always the same "Well you SHOULD support it" "But it's not ours, AND it causes bugs in our software when it loads it if it's not the absolute right version" |
| 15:30:36 | linuxstb | Why don't we just ignore requests for info about loader2, and allow people who _do_ use it to answer? |
| 15:30:51 | Llorean | linuxstb: That's been the usual process. |
| 15:31:07 | linuxstb | Llorean: Not really - there are always lots of messages saying "we don't support it".... |
| 15:31:13 | pondlife | Is this an IPL thing? |
| 15:31:29 | Llorean | linuxstb: Yeah, but we don't support it. But we do leave the threads open, and allow anyone else to answer. |
| 15:31:33 | linuxstb | Yes, it's the ipodlinux bootloader, which lots of people prefer as it has a pretty menu to choose what to boot. |
| 15:31:50 | pondlife | Well, suggest they go to IPL for help |
| 15:31:59 | Llorean | pondlife: "Their forums suck" is the usual response. |
| 15:32:06 | Llorean | pondlife: Or "but I'm trying to make it load Rockbox" |
| 15:32:11 | pondlife | Do I look like I care? |
| 15:32:12 | pondlife | :) |
| 15:32:21 | LinusN | yeah, if i had to choose between a pretty bootloader or a working rockbox, i'd choose the pretty bootloader any day :-P |
| 15:32:32 | pondlife | So they want to make our forums suck too?? |
| 15:32:36 | Llorean | The problem is that Loader2 also doesn't run Rockbox properly unless you're using one of the newest versions, which I think aren't clearly linked/distributed. |
| 15:32:42 | bluebrother | yes! Make our forums suck! |
| 15:33:01 | Llorean | And I also just don't like the idea of people expecting us to "support" something outside our control. |
| 15:33:17 | bluebrother | but Rockbox is a product! *g* |
| 15:33:27 | * | bluebrother remembers that GoldenQuote ... |
| 15:33:29 | pondlife | "no one knows wth is going on with rockbox huh? some tech support" :) |
| 15:33:36 | pondlife | That should be a GQ |
| 15:33:36 | LinusN | just offer a refund :-) |
| 15:33:45 | bluebrother | give him some tech support number |
| 15:33:57 | pondlife | 0123-456-7890 |
| 15:34:10 | bluebrother | 08/15 47-11 |
| 15:34:12 | LinusN | 1-800-BAGOSHIT |
| 15:34:16 | bluebrother | 90-60-90 |
| 15:34:24 | bluebrother | hehe |
| 15:34:27 | Llorean | "If you deliver me your iPod and pay me my state's minimum wage for the time spent working on it, plus provide return postage, I will gladly provide top quality support" |
| 15:34:52 | Llorean | Just... don't investigate the timesheets too thoroughly. |
| 15:34:55 | bluebrother | Llorean: sounds like a cheap deal ;-) |
| 15:35:03 | bluebrother | hehe. |
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| 15:35:10 | Llorean | bluebrother: Clearly, it takes a good 6 hours to install Loader2. :) |
| 15:35:19 | bluebrother | sure. |
| 15:35:24 | bluebrother | if not 7. |
| 15:35:44 | pondlife | Hmm. +419-LOADER2 |
| 15:36:05 | * | pondlife took too long to look up a country code |
| 15:36:07 | linuxstb | Maybe I think of the forums differently to others - not every thread needs to have an "official" response in it. Leave users alone to sort their own problems out with things like loader2 if we can't help. |
| 15:36:12 | desowin | Llorean: don' |
| 15:36:20 | desowin | fon't forget to compile loader2 first |
| 15:36:22 | bluebrother | hmm, that's UK, isn't it? |
| 15:36:40 | desowin | it gives you another few hours of work |
| 15:37:02 | Llorean | linuxstb: I don't feel every thread needs to have an official response. I just want people to know Loader2 isn't "supported" much like the X5 dual boot isn't "supported". Because one day it *could* cause strange behaviour, and I don't want anyone to be confused about it's status when I ask if anything is non-standard. |
| 15:38:11 | Llorean | There are already people who don't recognize that loader 2 and the rockbox bootloader are different things. |
| 15:39:42 | Llorean | But I mean, why answer Loader2 questions, but not, say, original firmware questions then? |
| 15:41:59 | pondlife | We shouldn't answer OF questions either... |
| 15:42:32 | linuxstb | I'm not saying to answer them, but just to ignore them. I understand the need to make sure people know they're doing something unsupported though... |
| 15:43:05 | Llorean | linuxstb: And that's all I try to do at first. I've even told people "It should work if you just extract Rockbox into your fat32 partition, but for further help you'll need to contact the providers of loader2" |
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| 15:45:13 | linuxstb | I guess that's the advice I disagree with - I think other users should be encouraged to help answer questions from people use loader2 with Rockbox. As the IPL devs don't use Rockbox, and the Rockbox devs don't use IPL, only the users are left to provide support for each other. |
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| 15:46:27 | Llorean | linuxstb: That's fine. I'll change my standard comment to "Loader2 isn't officially supported, and you may be asked to use the Rockbox bootloader when confirming certain bugs. You should just be able to extract Rockbox into the root of your fat32 filesystem" |
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| 15:47:04 | Llorean | The problem with the thread in question is that it was "Loader 2 won't load the Apple OS" which doesn't really have "Rockbox" in it at all |
| 15:48:11 | pondlife | Am I right in thinking that replaygain doesn't work in the sims? |
| 15:48:31 | pondlife | Or rather, isn't meant to - like the volume control. |
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| 15:55:09 | markun | pondlife: replaygain is a dsp effect, so I think it should work |
| 15:55:46 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, that particular thread drifted a long way from Rockbox-related questions and the poster is a PITA. I'm just frustrated that users don't appear to be helping each other, and want to try and encourage it where we can. |
| 15:56:02 | Llorean | linuxstb: I'm perfectly fine with that at least. :) |
| 15:56:14 | Llorean | I'll try to lay a little encouragement out next time Loader2 comes up |
| 15:56:38 | Llorean | Maybe even suggest that "If anyone knows how to use it, a wiki page covering it would be appreciated so long as it mentions that it's officially unsupported" |
| 15:57:06 | pondlife | Hmm, maybe I missed some tagging... |
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| 15:58:50 | linuxstb | off-topic question for Perl gurus - how can I calculate how many days in the past a date is? |
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| 15:59:02 | bluebrother | Llorean: nice answer ;-) |
| 15:59:31 | GodEater_ | Llorean: I tend to agree with linuxstb, I think in future if a loader 2 thread shows up, all the usual suspects should avoid posting to it UNLESS it gets to the point where it's clear loader2 may be contributing to another problem the user is having. |
| 15:59:56 | Llorean | GodEater_: I think it needs to be clear that "If you're using Loader2, it's just like you're using an unsupported build" |
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| 16:00:16 | Febs | Perhaps we should dedicate a thread to Loader2 issues. |
| 16:00:19 | Llorean | Maybe just create a Loader2 thread in the unsupported builds forum... |
| 16:00:19 | GodEater_ | I think we've made that fairly clear now - I don't think we need to repeat it in every thread it shows up in |
| 16:00:26 | Febs | Great minds think alike. |
| 16:00:33 | GodEater_ | hehehe - you two twins ? :) |
| 16:00:41 | Llorean | GodEater_: The problem is, most times if a new thread pops up on loader 2 it's explicitly *because* they haven't read the other ones |
| 16:00:52 | Febs | Nah. I'm *slightly* nicer. Sometimes. :) |
| 16:01:13 | GodEater_ | Llorean: also true, but we can still ignore them. Eventually even the dumbest user will work out they have to search |
| 16:01:20 | GodEater_ | OR someone who uses Loader2 will answer them |
| 16:01:20 | linuxstb | I've had the same thought - a "loader2" thread in "Unsupported Builds". |
| 16:01:31 | linuxstb | Although people will never see it... |
| 16:01:41 | GodEater_ | " Loader2" |
| 16:01:43 | Febs | Especially with thread titles like, "HELP!!!!" |
| 16:01:44 | GodEater_ | instead of "Loader2" |
| 16:01:46 | Llorean | Febs: I'll start a thread. |
| 16:01:50 | Llorean | linuxstb: But we can just link them to it. |
| 16:02:03 | linuxstb | Yes, but it would be better if people saw it before posting... |
| 16:02:18 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: you're asking too much now :) |
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| 16:03:12 | linuxstb | I don't like to suggest it, but maybe a sticky in the Apple Installation forum, with a link to the Loader2 thread in the Unsupported Builds - and maybe other links like the ipodlinux.org Loader2 page as well. |
| 16:03:32 | linuxstb | (and a short statement saying it's unsupported) |
| 16:04:25 | * | GodEater_ wonders if we could change the "new thread" form to FORCE a search before it allows a new thread... |
| 16:05:12 | Llorean | Thoughts? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9658.0 |
| 16:05:54 | Llorean | linuxstb: Nobody reads the existing stickies, I think it's highly unlikely. Maybe adding it to the POSTING IN THIS FORUM thread, but I really, really don't want to have 3 stickies in the Ipod Installation forum |
| 16:06:27 | pondlife | Llorean: looks good |
| 16:06:49 | GodEater_ | Llorean: the "My ipod install went wrong thread" has 3000+ views... |
| 16:07:00 | GodEater_ | that's a far cry from "no-one reads them" |
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| 16:07:16 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, it looks good. I'm not sure what you mean about extracting loader2 for re-installation using ipodpatcher - all it can do is to backup and restore the entire partition. |
| 16:07:35 | Llorean | linuxstb: Oh, I thought it had an extract bootloader to go with add bootloader. |
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| 16:07:37 | Llorean | I'll fix that |
| 16:07:37 | Febs | I suggest the following revision to the first sentence of the second paragraph: Loader 2 is not a Rockbox product, and therefore we cannot provide official support for it. While not strictly a build, Loader 2 can cause unexpected behaviour in Rockbox. |
| 16:08:06 | GodEater_ | I'd also put in an invitation asking for someone to write a wiki page for it... |
| 16:08:37 | Llorean | linuxstb: Changed the instructions regarding ipodpatcher, correct now? |
| 16:08:41 | Febs | I also suggest spelling out "ipodlinux" and/or "ipod linux" somewhere in the post to increase the chances people can find the thread by searching. |
| 16:09:01 | Febs | Nevermind, I see it in the last sentence. |
| 16:09:27 | linuxstb | And maybe vary the spellings - "loader2", "loader 2" "ipl" etc |
| 16:10:24 | Llorean | Febs: Incorporated your changes. |
| 16:10:38 | Llorean | Also now "iPod Linux" "ipodlinux" "ipl" "loader 2" and "loader2" all show up in there. |
| 16:10:57 | Llorean | I've also updated the Apple Installation's "POSTING IN THIS FORUM" post. |
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| 16:11:54 | linuxstb | OK, so now we can forget about it... |
| 16:12:15 | pondlife | Forget about what? ;) |
| 16:12:17 | Llorean | Indeed, policy has been set: Redirect them politely to the one topical thread. |
| 16:13:16 | linuxstb | Which of course will soon become too long to be of use to anyone.... But hopefully a wiki page will come out of it. |
| 16:13:54 | Llorean | linuxstb: I'll try to clean it up from time to time, if it gets bad. |
| 16:14:08 | Llorean | Contrary to popular belief, I don't just troll the forums to yell at people. :) |
| 16:14:14 | GodEater_ | I think we should just ask the iPL dev team to quietly remove support for Rockbox ;) |
| 16:14:52 | linuxstb | Well, moving the binary into .rockbox has broken the automatic detection... |
| 16:15:06 | GodEater_ | true |
| 16:15:30 | GodEater_ | I don't know how true it is when most users complain the iPL team don't support Loader2 very well |
| 16:16:03 | GodEater_ | but if that *is* the case then I don't think it would be an unreasonable request on our part |
| 16:16:11 | GodEater_ | provided we did it politely |
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| 16:18:29 | Llorean | GodEater_: I don't mind iPL Loader 2 working to load Rockbox. |
| 16:18:40 | Llorean | I just mind the expectation from users that we're obligated to help with it if it fouls up. |
| 16:18:54 | GodEater_ | we can't do anything about that expectation though |
| 16:19:07 | GodEater_ | asking people not to have it clearly doesn't work =/ |
| 16:19:26 | perl|work | Llorean morning, any new encoding discoveries, etc? |
| 16:19:46 | Llorean | perl|work: Well, H300 runs slower than expected nowadays. |
| 16:20:06 | perl|work | cant keep it in sync? |
| 16:20:12 | Llorean | Yeah, so it seems |
| 16:20:28 | Llorean | But I hear there's some optimizations waiting in the wings anyway |
| 16:20:48 | linuxstb | They are, but no-one's looked at them... |
| 16:21:11 | Llorean | linuxstb: But that's better than "nobody's written them" |
| 16:21:16 | linuxstb | I probably can now that mpegplayer runs on the h1x0, but I don't know Coldfire assembly at all. |
| 16:22:00 | perl|work | Llorean how about lower video bitrates? |
| 16:22:24 | Llorean | perl|work: This was a 100 video with 80 audio, apparently. Only 7fps |
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| 16:22:57 | linuxstb | Is that 7fps with frameskip/limit fps enabled, or running at full-speed without any a/v sync? |
| 16:23:12 | perl|work | oh i see |
| 16:23:12 | Llorean | linuxstb: Full speed. |
| 16:23:30 | linuxstb | Is that the ED test? |
| 16:23:39 | Llorean | No, he encoded a low bitrate file. |
| 16:23:45 | Llorean | I don't know how ED performs, unfortunately. |
| 16:24:06 | linuxstb | It would be useful if someone could test ED - the wiki says that decodes at 11fps. |
| 16:24:09 | linuxstb | (4:3 version) |
| 16:24:40 | linuxstb | It's possible that all the a/v sync code is slowing it down, but I wouldn't expect anything more than 1fps, if that. |
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| 16:24:50 | XavierGr | ok just confirming before I do anything silly: does F40 has the same adapter as H300? |
| 16:25:03 | GodEater_ | XavierGr: you mean USB cable ? |
| 16:25:05 | XavierGr | both are rated at 5v center positive |
| 16:25:13 | XavierGr | no charging adapter |
| 16:25:28 | GodEater_ | ah - no idea |
| 16:25:43 | webguest80 | In a Sansa e200, when you boot to the OF, is it normal for the bootloader screen to fade to white? |
| 16:25:44 | Llorean | linuxstb: The last A/V sync change (not counting the less aggressive frameskip) definitely added some overhead. |
| 16:26:53 | Llorean | linuxstb: That slightly oversized 30fps file on the nano played better prior to that sync change, and seemed to stay in sync. The one you described as compensating for PTS drift |
| 16:27:17 | Llorean | But I'd rather consistent sync on all files at the cost of a little performance, if it comes tot that question |
| 16:27:48 | linuxstb | There's possibly room for optimising that code, but I obviously want to get it working correctly first. |
| 16:27:56 | Llorean | Makes plenty of sense, yes. :) |
| 16:30:00 | * | linuxstb looks around for a H300 owner to test how fast the 224x176 Elephants Dream test video is being decoded with Limit FPS and Skip Frames turned off... |
| 16:30:17 | XavierGr | I can test that |
| 16:30:24 | XavierGr | link for that file? :\ |
| 16:30:44 | linuxstb | http://mikachu.rockbox.org/elephantsdream-q6-224x176-469kbps.mpg |
| 16:31:06 | linuxstb | "Tests are performed by enabling the Show FPS option and disabling the Limit FPS and Skip Frames options in mpegplayer, playing the video, and then waiting for the FPS to stabilise. Please round the FPS to the nearest whole number." |
| 16:31:07 | Llorean | 469, wow.. |
| 16:31:55 | linuxstb | Quality is nice though... |
| 16:32:06 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 16:32:21 | webguest80 | I'll try my question another time... thanks. |
| 16:32:29 | Llorean | But at 400 quality is "okay" on my Gigabeat, and that's single pass. :) |
| 16:32:40 | Llorean | webguest80: The answer was "yes" |
| 16:32:59 | linuxstb | Llorean: You mean it's a known bug? |
| 16:33:08 | webguest80 | Missed that somehow. Thank you, Llorean. |
| 16:33:17 | Llorean | webguest80: You didn't miss it, I missed your question. |
| 16:33:22 | linuxstb | I assume it's not what we would want "normal" to be... |
| 16:33:51 | GodEater_ | Llorean: how much leeway do we have with the template the forum uses ? |
| 16:33:51 | Llorean | linuxstb: Yeah, something to do with the LCD driver. It bugs out and does a fade to white sometimes during playback (everything else works, LCD stops updating) and it also happens when you try to boot the original FW, but once the OF boots everythign is fine. |
| 16:34:00 | webguest80 | That aside, all works fine so I can live with it if you can. :-) |
| 16:34:07 | Llorean | linuxstb: The LCD drive on the Sansas still has a LOT of work to go, I believe |
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| 16:34:37 | XavierGr | linuxstb: downloading now, but it might take a while with my crappy connection |
| 16:34:47 | Llorean | GodEater_: The biggest limitation is my lack of strengh in PHP-f. |
| 16:34:49 | Llorean | -fu |
| 16:34:51 | perl|work | Llorean have you tried 2 passes with various bitrates? |
| 16:34:57 | Llorean | perl|work: Not yet. |
| 16:35:21 | Llorean | perl|work: I'm actually encoding some files I want at very high quality at 2-pass 600, then I'm going to try some experimentation with a few small clips of The Fifth Element. |
| 16:35:43 | perl|work | i tired few more with 400, i didnt like them |
| 16:35:45 | Llorean | I have high bitrate DVD of it, the Sony "Superbit" brand, and it's a very colorful, high motion movie, seems to me like it'd be good for testing. |
| 16:36:02 | Llorean | perl|work: So far, I've only used 400 for TV shows. |
| 16:36:03 | perl|work | yes that should be good |
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| 16:36:48 | Llorean | perl|work: Have you tried using VBR settings instead of setting a target bitrate? |
| 16:36:49 | smably | XavierGr: you can use the gigabeat adapter to charge the H300; not sure about the other way around |
| 16:36:52 | smably | (don't know whether the H300 adapter can provide enough current) |
| 16:37:04 | Llorean | perl|work: For example, try -qscale 6.0 |
| 16:38:05 | perl|work | was about to try last night |
| 16:38:12 | perl|work | but the battery died |
| 16:38:24 | perl|work | would be interesting to see as well |
| 16:38:53 | Llorean | For the gigabeat at least, using -qscale might be better since we've got more elbow room to work with in a lot of cases. |
| 16:39:56 | perl|work | id try to set min and max scale as well |
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| 16:40:40 | XavierGr | smably: if that is true then I don't see a reason why the opposite can't be done |
| 16:40:47 | XavierGr | anyway I am almost sure it will be okay |
| 16:40:58 | XavierGr | the rating on both devices is the same |
| 16:41:04 | XavierGr | they just need 5v center positive |
| 16:41:20 | perl|work | Llorean i remember some command for 1-pass complexity there |
| 16:41:20 | Llorean | perl|work: qmin and qmax should be used with a bitrate, rather than a qscale though, right? |
| 16:41:42 | perl|work | Llorean it should |
| 16:42:20 | smably | XavierGr: gigabeat adapter is rated at 3A, and i think the iriver adapter is less... |
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| 16:42:58 | BigBambi | smably: It'll probably just charge a bit slower then |
| 16:43:14 | BigBambi | A USB port only give 500 mA, but the gigabeat can charge from that |
| 16:43:36 | perl|work | Llorean would be nice to get a doc with all the possible arguments |
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| 16:44:04 | GodEater_ | Llorean: take a look here −−> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ForumChanges |
| 16:44:05 | Llorean | perl|work: Unfortunately, the only one I have is the one I posted in the thread in the forums, which is ffmpeg's help output, which doesn't seem to be *all* of them |
| 16:44:22 | GodEater_ | I was wondering if that might encourage people to use the search function more often |
| 16:44:24 | perl|work | Llorean yes im looking for it right now |
| 16:44:39 | smably | BigBambi: but it might have some sort of current limiting for USB charging... (i don't really know what i'm talking about, though) :) |
| 16:44:41 | GodEater_ | if you think it might, I'll have a look at SMF's PHP and submit a patch (if I can) |
| 16:44:54 | XavierGr | smably: that rating is almost irrelevant. I am sure that a DAP won't ever draw more than 500-700mah |
| 16:45:02 | Llorean | GodEater_: It might. |
| 16:45:11 | Llorean | I don't think it'd be at all hard to add. |
| 16:45:13 | smably | XavierGr: ok |
| 16:45:17 | BigBambi | The current rating on a power supply is the maximum that supply can handle |
| 16:45:25 | GodEater_ | I just think that the current search button is kind of lost in the noise |
| 16:45:26 | markun | BigBambi, smably: yes, it limits the current |
| 16:45:28 | BigBambi | Not what it always puts out |
| 16:45:38 | Llorean | GodEater_: Yeah, it very well could be. |
| 16:45:39 | GodEater_ | you can find it easily enough if you really look for it - but it doesn't really leap out at you |
| 16:46:33 | smably | BigBambi: right - i just thought it might draw a lot of current when charging, which could fry the adapter or something. but apparently that's wrong, so never mind! :) |
| 16:46:35 | markun | BigBambi, smably: look at the second diaram: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/GigabeatInfo?rev=1;filename=gigabeat_f40_block_diagrams_rotated.pdf |
| 16:47:02 | markun | but I think that's only when charging from USB |
| 16:47:04 | BigBambi | smably: I see what you mean |
| 16:47:39 | BigBambi | markun: cheers, yes looks like it |
| 16:50:16 | perl|work | Llorean ah this is much better |
| 16:50:18 | perl|work | http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg-doc.html |
| 16:51:14 | XavierGr | anyway 2 Amperes should be more than enough for the F40 me thinks |
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| 16:52:33 | perl|work | "set motion estimation method to method", interesting |
| 16:53:31 | Llorean | Yes, there are a LOT of options. |
| 16:54:09 | perl|work | Llorean i think it would be nice to creare some sort of a balanced around quality/size preset based on some of that |
| 16:54:29 | perl|work | create* |
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| 16:54:49 | Llorean | perl|work: So far I've just been depending on the defaults for most things, in the hopes that there's a bitrate I can pick that balances it. |
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| 16:56:00 | Kingstone | anyone here? |
| 16:56:38 | Llorean | Kingstone: If you have a question, it's generally best just to ask it |
| 16:59:19 | Kingstone | ok |
| 16:59:40 | Kingstone | if you know, lately there has been a discovery in the iPL side about encryption of the apple flash update image encryption |
| 16:59:50 | Kingstone | i thought rockbox can make a good use of it |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:04 | Kingstone | also, now that i see there is a devcon, maybe you can discuss it there |
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| 17:00:35 | markun | Kingstone: for the nano g2? |
| 17:00:39 | bluebrother | and what have they discovered? |
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| 17:00:50 | bluebrother | was anyone able running own code on the nano? |
| 17:00:52 | XavierGr | well I just connected the H300 adapter on F40 and a plug symbol appeared on the screen |
| 17:00:58 | XavierGr | is that right markun? |
| 17:01:23 | markun | XavierGr: sounds right |
| 17:01:27 | Kingstone | the decryption is not yet for the nano 2g |
| 17:01:32 | Kingstone | it's for all the otehr ipods |
| 17:01:36 | Kingstone | but i am working on the nano2g |
| 17:01:45 | Kingstone | and so other people, i think we're getting close to this one |
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| 17:01:58 | Kingstone | it seems the encryption is in rc4 and we are trying to extract the key |
| 17:02:05 | XavierGr | markun: do you remember the button combo to boot on OF. I can't make out the letter on the bootloader |
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| 17:02:39 | Kingstone | if you guys have a memdumper it will be very good as we want to try and extract the flash code |
| 17:03:24 | roolku | Nico_P: I have a patch to honour the default codepage when reading cue sheets: http://pastebin.ca/416854 |
| 17:03:30 | saratoga | you mean a ROM burner? |
| 17:03:37 | saratoga | or some software device? |
| 17:04:31 | roolku | Nico_P: the problem is it effectively triples the size of the cuesheet structure to accomodate the potential stringsize increase - do you think this is acceptable |
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| 17:05:45 | roolku | Nico_P: where did you get the 64 for MAX_NAMES - from the cue sheet spec? Is it number of bytes or number of characters? |
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| 17:06:35 | roolku | Nico_P: I can limit it to 64 bytes, but it is going to be an ugly loop. |
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| 17:07:01 | Nico_P | roolku: I changed 64 to 80 in my latest commit |
| 17:07:07 | linuxstb | Kingstone: There is already an option in Rockbox to dump the flash ROM to a file. |
| 17:07:12 | Nico_P | i got 80 from the cue spec |
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| 17:08:25 | roolku | Nico_P: whoops, better do a svn up... still, do you know if it is characters or bytes? |
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| 17:08:52 | Nico_P | roolku: a char is ony byte |
| 17:09:00 | Nico_P | s/ony/one |
| 17:09:13 | Nico_P | so it's both |
| 17:09:17 | roolku | Nico_P: well depends on the codepage |
| 17:09:22 | linuxstb | Kingstone: I'm not sure what use identifying the encryption of the AUPD image is though... We can simply dump the unencrypted contents from flash. |
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| 17:09:49 | linuxstb | (unless of course the Nano 2nd Gen is using the same algorithm) |
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| 17:10:31 | Nico_P | roolku: currently one cuesheet is 25k in memory and there are two |
| 17:11:48 | perl|work | Nico_P i noticed you can play a random track from the cue sheet viewer, that's amazing :) |
| 17:12:01 | roolku | Nico_P: I could rewrite it so it uses a maximum of 80 bytes rather then 80 charactes... |
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| 17:12:32 | Nico_P | roolku: that would be better, and probably even in accord with the cue spec |
| 17:12:34 | roolku | Nico_P: or the memory could be allocated from a pool (like the id3 parser does) |
| 17:12:58 | Nico_P | roolku: actually I was wondering where the ID3 got it's memory |
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| 17:13:07 | Nico_P | s/it's/its |
| 17:13:42 | Nico_P | perl|work: I should've advertised that :) someone even requested it in a PM |
| 17:13:46 | roolku | Nico_P: it has a buffer, where it puts all the strings one after the other...if you have long tags the last ones to be read will be cut off |
| 17:14:34 | Nico_P | roolku: that's what I assumed... I'm not sure it's the best thing to do with cues... we should have MoB at the end of the summer anyway :) |
| 17:14:49 | roolku | Nico_P: :) |
| 17:18:01 | pondlife | Is it a known issue that mpegplayer segfaults in the sim when you press STOP ? |
| 17:18:10 | linuxstb | Yep... |
| 17:18:14 | pondlife | OK |
| 17:18:18 | linuxstb | Patch welcome :) |
| 17:18:21 | pondlife | I won't mention it then! |
| 17:18:25 | toffe82 | jhMikeS: I can send you a broken lcd, I tried to find some reference on the chip but nothing, but if you have a microscope, perhaps you can find one |
| 17:18:31 | linuxstb | But I think it's the fact that remove_thread() isn't implemented in the sim. |
| 17:18:37 | pondlife | Very likely |
| 17:19:23 | toffe82 | markun: I was just reading about your change on the color, I think that a lookup table is faster that in line conversion , perhaps we can gain something there |
| 17:19:55 | markun | toffe82: talk to jhMikeS :) |
| 17:20:26 | markun | he's also interested in a broken LCD module if you have a spare one :) |
| 17:21:06 | toffe82 | markun: I think we can put the lcd of the S in the F, the overall size of the s one is smaller than the one of the F :) |
| 17:21:41 | markun | wow |
| 17:21:43 | toffe82 | markun: if I can make cable, I will try it, |
| 17:22:03 | toffe82 | I just put it like this and I can close the case with no problem |
| 17:22:15 | markun | but can you see the whole 2.4"? |
| 17:22:21 | linuxstb | Why would you want to do that? |
| 17:22:26 | toffe82 | the only problem , big one is to make the cable |
| 17:22:31 | toffe82 | bigger screen |
| 17:22:47 | toffe82 | 2.4" instead of 2.2 |
| 17:22:54 | linuxstb | OK |
| 17:23:12 | toffe82 | just for fun because it is an expensive mod |
| 17:23:30 | linuxstb | What's the current state of knowledge about the Gigabeat S? Any way to run your own code yet? |
| 17:24:13 | toffe82 | we are still waiting the interface to connect the hd direct to a pc to transfer files |
| 17:24:31 | linuxstb | In what direction? |
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| 17:25:09 | toffe82 | linuxstb: to put our modify files on the hd |
| 17:25:28 | saratoga | this would be teh ZIF to ATA adapter? |
| 17:25:30 | linuxstb | So the firmware is stored on the HD? |
| 17:25:42 | markun | toffe82: did you ask the guy who got the files in the first place to try it? |
| 17:25:45 | linuxstb | But inaccessible via the normal USB modes? |
| 17:25:46 | toffe82 | zif connector |
| 17:25:47 | markun | He used a ipod |
| 17:26:09 | toffe82 | markun: is S is not working anymore |
| 17:26:13 | markun | linuxstb: yes, 2 partitions, the MTP connection shows the files on the 2nd one |
| 17:26:22 | markun | toffe82: ah yes, forgot that |
| 17:26:23 | toffe82 | ptw419: bought an interface also |
| 17:26:49 | linuxstb | That's going to be a tricky install process for users ;) |
| 17:26:53 | toffe82 | but we have to buy it in europ , no way to find a cheap one here |
| 17:27:44 | toffe82 | linuxstb: we try to modify the updater of the v30 to recognize the S |
| 17:28:03 | toffe82 | ther is no updater available for the S |
| 17:29:12 | toffe82 | or we need somebody knowing the mtp protocol , there must be a way to upload the files, the updater do it |
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| 17:33:19 | shoepainter | anyone own a gigabeat s60 have a lint screen problem |
| 17:33:36 | shoepainter | where lint in under the screen |
| 17:33:51 | Llorean | shoepainter: This is #Rockbox, perhaps you were intending #Gigabeat? |
| 17:34:37 | pondlife | linuxstb: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6943 |
| 17:34:52 | pondlife | Fixes it for me at least... |
| 17:35:42 | toffe82 | I think that the mtp problem will be the same for all the player unsing pmc (zen M, gigabeat S..) If think that if we find how to update files for one, it should work for the other one |
| 17:38:12 | linuxstb | pondlife: Looks reasonable to me, but I don't know what the side-effects of that could be... |
| 17:38:27 | linuxstb | pondlife: Can you run mpegplayer multiple times OK? |
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| 17:56:16 | saratoga | toffe82: sooner or later someone will probably figure out how the creative mtp updater program works, so that might be helpful to you eventually |
| 17:57:06 | toffe82 | I think so |
| 17:57:57 | toffe82 | saratoga: when you use the updater on the zen, you have to do something first on the zen or it is all from the pc ? |
| 17:58:20 | saratoga | i don't know how it works |
| 17:58:36 | saratoga | i've just been skimming threads and pushing people to work on the Zen port |
| 17:58:45 | toffe82 | :) |
| 17:59:15 | pondlife | linuxstb: Yep, seems to allow stopping and starting no problem |
| 17:59:43 | toffe82 | saratoga: because on the S there is a way to put it in "wait for call", but I don't know exactly what it does |
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| 18:00:16 | toffe82 | when you change the hd for example |
| 18:00:20 | pondlife | I think I'll commit it |
| 18:01:30 | roolku | Nico_P: restricting the output string size of iso_decode() basically requires a re-write. So I guess I will upload my original patch to the tracker and wait for MOB |
| 18:02:08 | Nico_P | roolku: ok |
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| 18:03:12 | Nico_P | roolku: why is it *3 btw ? I thought it would be *2... but i know almost nothing about this sort of thing |
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| 18:08:37 | roolku | Nico_P: a single character in can use up to 3 bytes in UTF-8 |
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| 18:09:14 | hcs | isn't it up to 4 for ridiculous cases? |
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| 18:09:37 | roolku | Nico_P: I am however not sure if these 3-byte characters can be a single byte in any of the supported code-pages |
| 18:10:19 | roolku | hcs: I think we only support only UCS (16 bit Unicode) |
| 18:10:31 | hcs | ah, ok |
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| 18:16:07 | Nico_P | roolku: is the current implementation limited to ASCII chars ? |
| 18:16:20 | Nico_P | I have actually never tested with a non english cuesheet |
| 18:18:52 | pondlife | Is it just me, or is there a problem with news.gmane.org at the moment? |
| 18:22:33 | linuxstb | I can't access it... |
| 18:22:52 | linuxstb | "Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at news.gmane.org." |
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| 18:29:33 | roolku | Nico_P: yes, the current implementation only works for 7bit ASCII |
| 18:29:55 | roolku | pondlife: no I have the same problems |
| 18:30:10 | Nico_P | roolku: I was asked the question and was incapable of answering :p |
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| 18:30:36 | Nico_P | roolku: *2 could be OK |
| 18:30:39 | kurbjunk | markun: are you around? |
| 18:32:15 | markun | yes |
| 18:32:48 | kurbjunk | I was wondering if you could clarify the gigabeat port pins for the ATA and USB2 ATA interface. specifically I am trying to understand what the GPGIO pins do (pins 10-12) |
| 18:33:02 | roolku | Nico_P: I'll try to find out if any of the single byte code pages have characters with 3 byte representations |
| 18:33:35 | Nico_P | roolku: ok :) |
| 18:33:40 | kurbjunk | I'm really interested in what pin 12 does, and do you know which one actually cuts power to the drive? |
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| 18:34:01 | roolku | Nico_P: the double byte ones translating into 3 bytes should not be a problem |
| 18:34:29 | kurbjunk | I havn't gotten a chance to try the patch on the gigabeat pressue sensativity yet btw |
| 18:34:57 | markun | kurbjunk: I don't know exactly what each pin does |
| 18:35:12 | markun | kurbjunk: I guess you know this page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatPortPins#Port_G |
| 18:35:32 | kurbjunk | yep, I was looking at that but the pin descriptions are a bit vague |
| 18:35:36 | markun | yes |
| 18:35:59 | markun | it's from the disassembly and I didn't update those |
| 18:36:09 | kurbjunk | I gotcha |
| 18:36:26 | kurbjunk | do you know if anyone would know the specifics of the pins? |
| 18:36:42 | markun | toffe82: you? |
| 18:36:44 | toffe82 | kurbjunk: check the dock of the usb chip |
| 18:36:58 | toffe82 | wait |
| 18:37:00 | kurbjunk | I was looking at that as well |
| 18:37:50 | kurbjunk | the block diagram seems to indicate aht one gpio is for power control, but the port pins doesn't seem to indicate which one clearly |
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| 18:38:31 | kurbjunk | aht-that |
| 18:38:33 | markun | well, the one which slowly spins the drive up and down can't be the power control: GPG11 |
| 18:38:35 | toffe82 | gpg11 |
| 18:38:38 | toffe82 | ;) |
| 18:38:51 | markun | So I guess it's GPG12? |
| 18:39:09 | markun | kurbjunk: can you update the wiki after you found it out? :) |
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| 18:40:12 | toffe82 | I am looking my file but never found gpg12 |
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| 18:41:15 | kurbjunk | :), sure - I am trying to finish up the full initialization of the GPIO ports and I got stuck with this |
| 18:42:00 | markun | toffe82: can you check if there is power on the HDD when it's supposed to be off? |
| 18:42:06 | kurbjunk | doesn't HDD spindown usually happen with an ATA command though.. that's what's confusing to me |
| 18:42:22 | kurbjunk | and the bus switch in the block diagram, what controls that? |
| 18:42:40 | toffe82 | markun: yes |
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| 18:43:03 | toffe82 | but when is it supposed to be off ? |
| 18:43:15 | markun | kurbjunk: we once had a 'bit twiddler' in the bootloader for debugging which was nice for trying out what each pin did |
| 18:43:26 | kurbjunk | it should always poweroff on spindown at least I think that's what the irivers do |
| 18:43:43 | markun | yes, that's what it is supposed to do |
| 18:43:54 | markun | but maybe we are setting the wrong pin |
| 18:44:02 | kurbjunk | that's what I was thinking |
| 18:44:07 | toffe82 | I will check |
| 18:44:14 | kurbjunk | because right now I think the code is pin 11 |
| 18:44:23 | markun | toffe82: you could try to change the power down pin to 12 in power-meg-fx.c to compare |
| 18:45:02 | roolku | Nico_P: as far as i can tell thai, turkish and japanese could be a problem |
| 18:45:13 | kurbjunk | markun, did you notice the two clicks on the gigabeat on startup, I was able to get rid of one by adding that code in #gigabeat on startup |
| 18:45:25 | Nico_P | hmm |
| 18:45:38 | markun | kurbjunk: I notice a click, but didn't see any code in #gigabeat |
| 18:46:03 | kurbjunk | it was last night for me.. about 10 -12 hours ago |
| 18:46:09 | kurbjunk | that I posted it |
| 18:48:03 | markun | ok, I saw it |
| 18:48:36 | markun | maybe we just cut the power instead or resetting? |
| 18:49:01 | markun | if we mixed up pin 11 and 12 for example |
| 18:49:54 | kurbjunk | that's possible |
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| 18:50:38 | markun | Ik heading home, talk to you later |
| 18:51:14 | kurbjunk | see yah, thanks for looking at this |
| 18:51:21 | XavierGr | I did an awfull thing and started the OF on gigabeat |
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| 18:51:33 | XavierGr | you were right this OF sucks big time |
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| 18:51:53 | toffe82 | :) |
| 18:51:59 | XavierGr | and now I can't boot rockbox :\ |
| 18:52:11 | XavierGr | I should RTFM I guess |
| 18:52:26 | toffe82 | just change the fwimg01.DAT |
| 18:52:35 | toffe82 | with the one of rockbock |
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| 18:53:06 | XavierGr | heh I don't even know how to flash F40, you did a great job to bring it to me with rockbox already in it :D |
| 18:53:12 | XavierGr | I am going to read the wiki page |
| 18:53:23 | toffe82 | no flash |
| 18:54:02 | toffe82 | just copy it from your computer to the folder \GBSYSTEM\FWIMG |
| 18:54:23 | toffe82 | or use rbutils :) |
| 18:55:06 | roolku | Nico_P: I think *2 is fine, but can't be 100% certain...need to go for a bit. |
| 18:55:26 | Nico_P | ok |
| 18:55:27 | toffe82 | XavierGr: but there is still a pb with rbutils, if the backup of the original firmware exist in the directory, it doesn't copy the rockbox one |
| 18:55:42 | XavierGr | ok thanks for the info I will look into it |
| 18:58:47 | XavierGr | is there a brick danger if I do anything stupid? |
| 18:58:47 | toffe82 | XavierGr: now I allways use rbutils, it is easier |
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| 18:59:18 | XavierGr | toffe82: yes rbutil is nice, but I want to know the procedure too, so I am just reading the wiki for detailed instructions |
| 18:59:27 | toffe82 | ok |
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| 19:00:01 | Domonoky_ | toffe82: please try the rbutil at: http://b23.org/~domonoky/rbutil.zip (windows) or try the patch in the tracker... |
| 19:00:35 | XavierGr | one annoying thing that we can't avoid is the long press that is needed for the gigabeat to turn on... |
| 19:00:59 | XavierGr | for that I suppose that the player must be flashed and completely get rid of the OF |
| 19:01:15 | XavierGr | (or have dual boot without the OF starting first) |
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| 19:01:54 | toffe82 | Domonoky_: it works |
| 19:02:11 | toffe82 | XavierGr: yes |
| 19:02:18 | Domonoky_ | toffe82: any comments on the new UI ? :-) |
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| 19:03:27 | XavierGr | toffe: do you know what is this DEMO_MUSIC folder on my gigabeat? it seems as a proprietary sound and picture format? |
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| 19:03:39 | XavierGr | the OF played some music along with some pictures... |
| 19:03:46 | toffe82 | Domonoky_: I still have an error can't open user configuration file, but it works |
| 19:03:58 | XavierGr | (I ask if you placed that folder there when you had the unit and you happen to know) |
| 19:04:30 | toffe82 | XavierGr: yes it is the demo , the sounf files are encripted and the picture also |
| 19:04:52 | XavierGr | so I suppose It would be good to get rid of them ;) |
| 19:05:02 | toffe82 | you can erase it |
| 19:07:15 | toffe82 | Domonoky_: for the bootloader, no problem, for rockbox and font, I have this message at the end about the con file, the detail is : cannot create temp file, can't open user config file |
| 19:07:55 | toffe82 | it did it with all the version I tried but didn't give any problem, everything install correctly |
| 19:08:08 | Domonoky_ | ah, its also the problem with the user configuration.. |
| 19:08:17 | Domonoky_ | i will have a look at it.. |
| 19:08:46 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:09:07 | toffe82 | the gui is better like this |
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| 19:11:48 | XavierGr | toffe: what happens if the .dat file is missing? (both the original and rockbox one) |
| 19:12:01 | toffe82 | Domonoky_: would it be possible to have a multiple select for the theme in the list with the standard key (control + select or shift + select) |
| 19:12:30 | toffe82 | XavierGr: I think you cannot boot anymore |
| 19:12:36 | Domonoky_ | should be possible.. |
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| 19:13:42 | XavierGr | toffe: you cannot boot as in bricked? |
| 19:13:57 | toffe82 | XavierGr: I think so , you did it :) |
| 19:14:17 | toffe82 | but it is easy to fix ;) |
| 19:14:17 | Llorean | Can't you use that USB mode from when you remove the disk drive, then turn it on? |
| 19:14:57 | iskandar_ | Hi |
| 19:15:13 | toffe82 | Llorean: yes you can use it |
| 19:15:21 | iskandar_ | I have a little big problem with Rockbox |
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| 19:15:46 | iskandar_ | I've been installed it, but now it isn't work. |
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| 19:16:01 | iskandar_ | (Sorry if I don't speak English good) |
| 19:16:20 | XavierGr | toffe82: no I didn't do it :) |
| 19:16:36 | XavierGr | but I just want to be sure how easy or hard is to brick this thing |
| 19:16:36 | toffe82 | iskandar_: what player ? |
| 19:16:47 | iskandar_ | iPod nano v1 |
| 19:17:11 | toffe82 | XavierGr: when you have the problem just follow the instruction on the wiki |
| 19:17:46 | iskandar_ | and I can't enter it in my computer |
| 19:17:51 | iskandar_ | I have Ubuntu Linux |
| 19:17:57 | iskandar_ | Feisty Fawn |
| 19:18:02 | toffe82 | XavierGr: On good thing to do also is to make an image of the drive |
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| 19:19:02 | toffe82 | XavierGr: as I repair a lot of gigabeat , I had some time pb with hd formatted by windows and fix it just by reloading an image of a working gigabeat |
| 19:19:51 | XavierGr | toffe82: I just saw the information on how to unbrick the Gigabeat on wiki, though it beats me why it won't connect on USB with the HD on (if someone managed to brick it) |
| 19:20:01 | toffe82 | Iskandar: I cannot help you but somebody will do , be patient ;) |
| 19:20:15 | Iskandar | why ? |
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| 19:21:00 | toffe82 | because you don't have an answer yet, a lot af people are from europ , and it must be dinner time now :) |
| 19:22:09 | Iskandar | Hum... I am not form Europe :) |
| 19:22:14 | Iskandar | *from |
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| 19:23:32 | Iskandar | Good |
| 19:23:37 | Iskandar | I will be patient |
| 19:24:30 | toffe82 | XavierGr: I think that when it sees the hd, it goes hangs up the program, when there is not the hd, it must go on another par of the prog |
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| 19:36:06 | linuxstb | Iskandar: What does your ipod show on the screen? |
| 19:37:16 | Iskandar | a broken file and a weblink (http://apple.com/support/ipod) under it when I turned it on |
| 19:37:44 | linuxstb | What instructions did you follow to install it? |
| 19:38:08 | Iskandar | It was work, in the beginning |
| 19:38:41 | Iskandar | I have launched ./ipodpatcher and I have moved the .rockbox folder in the iPod |
| 19:39:32 | Iskandar | Do you have an Idea ? |
| 19:39:32 | bluebrother | Iskandar: can you access the ipod using emergency disk mode? |
| 19:40:06 | Iskandar | I don't now what is the emergency disk mode |
| 19:40:10 | Iskandar | :( |
| 19:40:33 | bluebrother | reboot the ipod by holding Menu + Select for a while. When the apple logo comes up press Play + Select |
| 19:41:03 | bluebrother | this will enter emergency disk mode which _should_ work in any case. You need to reboot the Ipod by holding Menu + Select to leave that mode though. |
| 19:42:04 | Iskandar | I have a scrren that show me a green image and in the top, Disk Mode and inder the "photo": OK to disconnet |
| 19:42:13 | Iskandar | Is it the emergency disk mode ? |
| 19:42:36 | bluebrother | it's disk mode. I don't know how to distinguish between regular and emergency disk mode |
| 19:42:52 | bluebrother | as I haven't noticed a difference between those two yet |
| 19:43:01 | Iskandar | OK |
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| 19:43:09 | linuxstb | The emergency disk mode should be black and white, with no backlight. The other disk mode is Apple's main firmware, which is full-colour (on colour ipods of course...) |
| 19:43:11 | bluebrother | so, after entering that mode you should be able accessing the ipod |
| 19:43:22 | rigel | anyone know where i might go to stay abreast of zune-hacking efforts? |
| 19:43:23 | Iskandar | And after what should I do ? |
| 19:43:23 | * | bluebrother doesn't have a color ipod |
| 19:43:25 | Iskandar | OK. |
| 19:43:32 | Iskandar | I can't access |
| 19:43:34 | rigel | irc channels, i mean |
| 19:44:01 | bluebrother | can't access in what way? Do you get an error message? |
| 19:44:12 | Iskandar | Oh! I have sayed a false thing |
| 19:44:14 | linuxstb | rigel: The only serious place I know is #gigabeat - the attempts to hack the Gigabeat S should hopefully lead to progress on the Zune. |
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| 19:44:22 | Iskandar | the Dis Mode is black and White |
| 19:44:35 | rigel | linuxstb: what, they have some of the same hardware? |
| 19:44:48 | linuxstb | rigel: Yes, it's believed the hardware is almost identical. |
| 19:44:53 | Iskandar | I have only "OK to disconnect." |
| 19:45:01 | bluebrother | have you connected the usb cable? |
| 19:45:13 | Iskandar | I connect it now |
| 19:45:33 | bluebrother | it should switch to "do not disconnect" then |
| 19:45:34 | Iskandar | Now I have "Do not disconnect" |
| 19:45:37 | Iskandar | yes |
| 19:46:03 | Iskandar | but I can't access to it form the computer |
| 19:46:15 | bluebrother | in what way? Is there an error message? |
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| 19:46:28 | Iskandar | no |
| 19:46:30 | Iskandar | nothing |
| 19:46:37 | Iskandar | (I have Linux) |
| 19:46:54 | bluebrother | ok ... so you expect it to show up as icon on the desktop, right? |
| 19:47:09 | linuxstb | Iskandar: If you run ipodpatcher, does it see your ipod? |
| 19:47:16 | Iskandar | I will run it |
| 19:47:46 | Iskandar | No |
| 19:47:55 | Iskandar | No iPods founds |
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| 19:48:44 | bluebrother | do you have a usb hub connected between PC and Ipod? |
| 19:49:25 | Iskandar | no |
| 19:49:25 | linuxstb | Iskandar: If you run (as root) "fdisk -l", does your ipod show up ? |
| 19:49:35 | Iskandar | I have /dev/sdf |
| 19:50:10 | Iskandar | Disk /dev/sdf: 2047 MB, 2047868416 bytes |
| 19:50:20 | linuxstb | What did you do before the ipod stopped working? It sounds like you have corrupted the disk. |
| 19:51:07 | Iskandar | I don't now |
| 19:51:35 | Iskandar | One of my friends has broken the iPod |
| 19:51:39 | Iskandar | Not me |
| 19:52:06 | Iskandar | But he has turned off and turned on the iPod |
| 19:52:17 | bluebrother | what Ipod do you have? Nano? |
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| 19:52:30 | linuxstb | What does "fdisk -l /dev/sdf" display? |
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| 19:53:13 | Iskandar | Now what should I do to run it ? |
| 19:53:36 | linuxstb | Iskandar: Can you type that command? |
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| 19:53:55 | Iskandar | I can |
| 19:54:19 | linuxstb | What partitions does it display? |
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| 19:54:22 | bluebrother | make sure to run it as root |
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| 19:54:34 | Iskandar | Disque /dev/sdf: 2047 Mo, 2047868416 octets |
| 19:54:34 | Iskandar | 63 têtes, 62 secteurs/piste, 1023 cylindres |
| 19:54:34 | Iskandar | Unités = cylindres de 3906 * 512 = 1999872 octets |
| 19:54:34 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Iskandar |
| 19:54:34 | Iskandar | Périphérique Amorce Début Fin Blocs Id Système |
| 19:54:53 | Iskandar | Sorry , it's in French... |
| 19:54:58 | linuxstb | Is that all? |
| 19:55:01 | Iskandar | yes |
| 19:55:10 | linuxstb | Then that's the problem - the partition table has been deleted... |
| 19:55:27 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 19:55:27 | * | Genre9mp3 waves @ all with a completely out-of-sync face expression |
| 19:55:36 | Iskandar | And what the answer to the problem ? |
| 19:55:38 | linuxstb | Download this file - http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/mbr-nano2gb.bin |
| 19:55:56 | linuxstb | Then type "dd if=mbr-nano2gb.bin of=/dev/sdf" |
| 19:56:15 | Iskandar | in root ? |
| 19:56:16 | linuxstb | Then unplug your ipod from your computer, and then plug it back in again. |
| 19:56:18 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 19:57:14 | Iskandar | it doesn't worfs! |
| 19:57:24 | | Part rigel |
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| 19:57:48 | Iskandar | Cool |
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| 19:57:54 | bluebrother | doesn't worf? |
| 19:58:03 | Iskandar | no, it is working |
| 19:58:12 | Iskandar | I can access to it |
| 19:58:17 | desowin | Iskandar: if you have access to iTunes, you can restore your iPod, it'll create partitions |
| 19:58:29 | linuxstb | desowin: There is no need for itunes... |
| 19:58:30 | Iskandar | I am in Linux |
| 19:58:49 | Iskandar | OK, what I do now ? |
| 19:59:09 | linuxstb | You can access the disk now and see your files? |
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| 19:59:26 | Iskandar | Yes |
| 19:59:32 | linuxstb | Try running ipodpatcher again - does it find the ipod? |
| 19:59:59 | Iskandar | yes |
| 20:00 |
| 20:00:23 | Iskandar | and what should I do ? |
| 20:00:35 | linuxstb | Just type "c" for cancel. |
| 20:00:44 | linuxstb | Then disconnect your ipod |
| 20:00:46 | Iskandar | ok |
| 20:00:56 | linuxstb | Then reset it by holding MENU+SELECT for a few seconds |
| 20:01:30 | Iskandar | it doesn't works |
| 20:01:47 | linuxstb | What is displayed? |
| 20:01:52 | bluebrother | resetting or booting? |
| 20:02:01 | Iskandar | I have already the error screen |
| 20:02:11 | linuxstb | What does the error say? |
| 20:02:11 | Iskandar | with the folder and whatever |
| 20:02:30 | Iskandar | a broken folder and a weblink |
| 20:03:15 | Iskandar | just this |
| 20:03:54 | linuxstb | OK, go to this page: http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ and select "Nano 1G 17.1.3.1" from the list, and download the file. |
| 20:04:34 | Iskandar | and after ? |
| 20:04:47 | Iskandar | (I hasn't got the complete file yet) |
| 20:05:08 | linuxstb | You will need to unzip it - it will be called .ipsw, but it is a zip file. |
| 20:05:34 | linuxstb | You will then have a file called something like "Firmware-X.Y.Z". |
| 20:05:34 | Iskandar | and place it in the root of the iPod ? |
| 20:05:37 | Iskandar | ok |
| 20:05:38 | linuxstb | No |
| 20:05:46 | Iskandar | with dd? |
| 20:05:51 | desowin | dd it into /dev/sdf1 |
| 20:06:01 | Iskandar | ok |
| 20:06:02 | linuxstb | You need to run the command "dd if=Firmware-X.Y.Z of=/dev/sdf1" |
| 20:06:12 | Iskandar | thank you |
| 20:06:22 | Iskandar | When I will have the complete file, I will do this |
| 20:06:36 | linuxstb | That should restore the Apple firmware to your ipod. |
| 20:07:23 | Iskandar | But I want Rockbox and, if I can, iPodLinux both! |
| 20:08:57 | linuxstb | Yes, but the first step is to make your ipod work again... |
| 20:09:03 | Iskandar | I will just reinstall Rockbox for this? |
| 20:09:06 | Iskandar | Yes, of course |
| 20:10:07 | linuxstb | I can't help you install ipodlinux, but to install Rockbox you will simply need to run ipodpatcher and select "i" for install, and then download rockbox.zip and unzip that to your ipod's FAT32 partition. |
| 20:10:36 | Iskandar | ok |
| 20:11:14 | Iskandar | please, don't left, it is possible to me to ask you other things |
| 20:11:28 | desowin | Iskandar: my advice for installing iPodlinux is to do linux parition by hand, iPodlinux installer always broken up my iPod's partition table |
| 20:11:43 | Iskandar | ok |
| 20:12:11 | Iskandar | But this iPod isn't entirely mine, so I will just enter Rockbox to it |
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| 20:13:30 | desowin | also iPodlinux isn't OS for playing music imo |
| 20:13:42 | Iskandar | yes |
| 20:14:02 | Iskandar | Oh, I've been have a problem with the tags |
| 20:14:25 | desowin | in music files ? |
| 20:14:33 | * | Genre9mp3 wonders how will be the feeling, using Rockbox after nearly 2 months... so many new things to test! :) |
| 20:14:51 | Iskandar | when I launch a music in the tags repertory, it isn't work all times |
| 20:14:56 | Iskandar | workqs |
| 20:15:10 | desowin | you mean database ? |
| 20:15:15 | Iskandar | yes |
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| 20:15:24 | Genre9mp3 | Of course... I also have a new target to get my hands on, too... doubles the pleasure! :) |
| 20:15:25 | desowin | have you initialized it first ? |
| 20:15:38 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: What's your new target? |
| 20:15:38 | Iskandar | yes |
| 20:15:53 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: A Gigabeat F20 |
| 20:16:02 | linuxstb | Nice :) |
| 20:16:19 | bluebrother | Iskandar: are the tags on the audio files set properly? |
| 20:16:40 | bluebrother | Itunes stores its information elsewhere, so it's possible to be not present in the files itself |
| 20:16:56 | Iskandar | yes |
| 20:17:03 | Iskandar | ah |
| 20:17:06 | Iskandar | maybe |
| 20:17:11 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: The Gigabeat has arrived home 1month+ now... the problem is that I won't be at home before 5 April |
| 20:17:15 | desowin | Iskandar: for general tagging on computer, I would recommed easytag |
| 20:17:26 | Iskandar | yes |
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| 20:17:43 | Iskandar | linuxstb, it isn't works! |
| 20:18:09 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: Great work with the MpegPlayer btw... One more reason for me to be eager to get back home next week! :) |
| 20:18:40 | desowin | Iskandar: the iPod doesn't boot up ? |
| 20:18:43 | bluebrother | Iskandar: what exactly doesn't work? Does it boot up correctly? |
| 20:19:02 | Alonea | yes, must praise you again linuxstb. probably half sick of it now, or no? |
| 20:19:13 | Iskandar | no, it doesn't boot properly |
| 20:19:21 | desowin | still the same image ? |
| 20:19:28 | desowin | (error) |
| 20:19:40 | Iskandar | yes |
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| 20:20:04 | desowin | is the /dev/sdf1 set as empty ? |
| 20:20:10 | desowin | (in fdisk) |
| 20:20:28 | Iskandar | yes |
| 20:20:34 | Iskandar | I don't now |
| 20:20:50 | desowin | ? |
| 20:21:29 | Iskandar | I was returned to the beginning |
| 20:21:39 | bluebrother | if you run fdisk -l /dev/sdf, what does it display? |
| 20:21:48 | Iskandar | thi iPod isn't displayed |
| 20:21:51 | bluebrother | It should list two partitions with the first marked as empty |
| 20:22:04 | bluebrother | have you enabled emergency disk mode again? |
| 20:22:05 | Iskandar | Périphérique Amorce Début Fin Blocs Id Système |
| 20:22:05 | Iskandar | /dev/sdf1 1 10 80293+ 0 Vide |
| 20:22:05 | Iskandar | /dev/sdf2 11 248 1911732 b W95 FAT32 |
| 20:22:07 | Iskandar | yes |
| 20:22:16 | Iskandar | but I cqn't qccess to my iPod |
| 20:22:21 | Iskandar | yes |
| 20:22:37 | bluebrother | hmm, the partition table looks as expected |
| 20:22:55 | bluebrother | how are you trying to access the ipod? |
| 20:23:23 | Iskandar | in my file manager and in me Terminal |
| 20:24:01 | Iskandar | Do I format my iPod? |
| 20:24:04 | linuxstb | Have you unplugged the ipod after writing the Firmware-X.Y.Z file to it? |
| 20:24:19 | Iskandar | yes |
| 20:24:28 | linuxstb | Did you get the same error as before? |
| 20:24:32 | Iskandar | yes |
| 20:24:56 | Iskandar | I format it ? |
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| 20:25:19 | bluebrother | what does fsck.vfat /dev/sdf2 tell? |
| 20:25:48 | Iskandar | dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN |
| 20:25:48 | Iskandar | Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 123. |
| 20:26:07 | bluebrother | anything more? |
| 20:26:15 | Iskandar | anything more |
| 20:26:17 | bluebrother | looks like the FAT is messed up |
| 20:26:29 | Iskandar | Sure |
| 20:26:46 | Iskandar | I think the only way is to format it |
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| 20:27:03 | linuxstb | That would be "mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sdf2" |
| 20:27:29 | bluebrother | you could try fsck.vfat -rv /dev/sdf2 |
| 20:27:33 | Iskandar | nothing |
| 20:27:39 | bluebrother | but I guess that will fail. |
| 20:27:52 | XavierGr | linuxstb: for the H300 mpegplayer test you want me to watch all of the video? :\ |
| 20:27:53 | Iskandar | dosfsck 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) |
| 20:27:53 | Iskandar | dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN |
| 20:27:53 | Iskandar | Checking we can access the last sector of the filesystem |
| 20:27:53 | Iskandar | Boot sector contents: |
| 20:27:53 | Iskandar | System ID "mkdosfs" |
| 20:27:54 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 20:27:54 | Iskandar | Media byte 0xf8 (hard disk) |
| 20:27:55 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 20:27:55 | Iskandar | 512 bytes per logical sector |
| 20:27:58 | Iskandar | 4096 bytes per cluster |
| 20:28:00 | Iskandar | 32 reserved sectors |
| 20:28:04 | Iskandar | First FAT starts at byte 16384 (sector 32) |
| 20:28:05 | Iskandar | 2 FATs, 32 bit entries |
| 20:28:08 | Iskandar | 1908224 bytes per FAT (= 3727 sectors) |
| 20:28:10 | Iskandar | Root directory start at cluster 2 (arbitrary size) |
| 20:28:12 | Iskandar | Data area starts at byte 3832832 (sector 7486) |
| 20:28:14 | Iskandar | 476997 data clusters (1953779712 bytes) |
| 20:28:16 | Iskandar | 63 sectors/track, 255 heads |
| 20:28:18 | Iskandar | 0 hidden sectors |
| 20:28:20 | Iskandar | 3823464 sectors total |
| 20:28:22 | Iskandar | Checking for unused clusters. |
| 20:28:24 | Iskandar | Checking free cluster summary. |
| 20:28:26 | Iskandar | /dev/sdf2: 0 files, 1/476997 clusters |
| 20:28:34 | Iskandar | I can format it now |
| 20:28:37 | * | desowin recommeds rafb.net/paste |
| 20:29:06 | Iskandar | oups |
| 20:29:10 | Iskandar | sorry |
| 20:29:17 | linuxstb | XavierGr: You just need to watch it until the FPS figure settles on a value. |
| 20:29:42 | linuxstb | XavierGr: The PluginMpegplayer wiki page describes how to do the performance test. |
| 20:30:06 | linuxstb | (I'm just curious if performance is significantly worse than it used to be) |
| 20:30:09 | XavierGr | linuxstb: the range was from 8.8 to scenes with much movement to 11 at the start |
| 20:30:15 | Iskandar | http://rafb.net/p/cHSAQi23.html |
| 20:30:35 | XavierGr | I'd say about 9.5- average |
| 20:30:46 | Iskandar | I format it ? |
| 20:30:47 | linuxstb | XavierGr: OK, so it does seem slower... |
| 20:31:09 | XavierGr | now it reached 8.5 :( |
| 20:31:18 | bluebrother | did you format the partition? Looks ok now |
| 20:31:35 | Iskandar | So I format it |
| 20:31:57 | bluebrother | can you mount the partition? Should work now. |
| 20:32:37 | Iskandar | Yes |
| 20:33:10 | Iskandar | I don't want the iPod firmware |
| 20:33:35 | bluebrother | unzip the rockbox build to the player. |
| 20:34:04 | Iskandar | I run the ipodpatcher before, isnt'it ? |
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| 20:34:36 | bluebrother | I assume the bootloader is already installed. |
| 20:34:47 | Iskandar | I dont't now |
| 20:34:53 | bluebrother | but it doesn't matter in which order you unzip the build and install the bootloader |
| 20:34:55 | Iskandar | I have just formatted it |
| 20:35:13 | bluebrother | yes. But formatting the drive doesn't remove the bootloader |
| 20:35:28 | Nico_P | can someone tell me how the dual booting works on the H10 5G ? |
| 20:35:44 | Iskandar | OK, but before this, what's the best build:Senab, jBuild or the original build ? |
| 20:36:04 | bluebrother | we don't support anything except the official one, so ... |
| 20:36:37 | linuxstb | Nico_P: bootloader/main-pp.c should tell you... (if no-one else does) |
| 20:37:06 | Iskandar | ok |
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| 20:37:23 | linuxstb | Iskandar: Senab's build is very old now, so I wouldn't recommend it. I don't know about jBuild. |
| 20:37:37 | Iskandar | ok |
| 20:37:56 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 20:37:56 | linuxstb | The official build has everything you need, unless you're interested in very pretty themes. |
| 20:38:43 | Iskandar | ok |
| 20:38:47 | bluebrother | s/pretty/fancy/ ;-) |
| 20:38:53 | Iskandar | ah |
| 20:39:06 | Iskandar | It doesn't works |
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| 20:39:18 | Nico_P | linuxstb: found it there, thanks |
| 20:39:41 | Iskandar | the ipodpatcher don't find the ipod, and I can't launch rockbox |
| 20:40:00 | bluebrother | what did you do after unzipping the build? |
| 20:40:07 | desowin | did it booted in Apple firmware before you second time attended to patch it ? |
| 20:40:32 | Iskandar | no |
| 20:40:42 | Iskandar | I haven't installed the Apple firmware! |
| 20:41:07 | Iskandar | should I install it ? |
| 20:41:26 | desowin | try to restore iPod as it came, when you'll have original firmware running and kicking, then try to install rockbox |
| 20:41:40 | bluebrother | the apple firmware should still be present. It's in the partition maked as empty |
| 20:41:40 | Iskandar | ok |
| 20:41:54 | bluebrother | so formatting the FAT partition doesn't harm the firmware installation. |
| 20:42:19 | desowin | Iskandar: the dd thing to /dev/sdf1 was installation of Apple firmware |
| 20:42:47 | Iskandar | Now I have ust /dev/sdf1 |
| 20:42:55 | Iskandar | I don't have /dev/sdf2 |
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| 20:43:05 | desowin | what does fdisk say ? |
| 20:43:53 | Iskandar | Périphérique Amorce Début Fin Blocs Id Système |
| 20:43:53 | Iskandar | /dev/sdf1 1 10 80293+ 0 Vide |
| 20:43:53 | Iskandar | /dev/sdf2 11 248 1911732 b W95 FAT32 |
| 20:44:15 | Iskandar | but now what should I do ? |
| 20:44:22 | desowin | it's ok |
| 20:44:26 | Iskandar | The iPod don't work at all! |
| 20:44:39 | desowin | can you try disgnostic mode ? |
| 20:45:05 | Iskandar | What should I do to run the diagnostic mode? |
| 20:45:24 | desowin | reboot (select+menu) and the quickly select+back, and select autotest to see if everything is correct |
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| 20:46:38 | funky | hey, any of you know an app to convert feeds to a readable format for ipod? |
| 20:46:48 | Iskandar | I don't have "autotest" |
| 20:46:53 | webguest56 | Iskandar: perhaps you should read the FAQ and manual, all your questions are answaered there http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPort |
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| 20:47:17 | Iskandar | Not all the questions, I suppose |
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| 20:50:01 | perl|work | funky how about audible format? |
| 20:50:02 | perl|work | http://www.feed2podcast.com/ |
| 20:50:07 | JavaMan22 | what is recording for i tryed to speak in my headphones |
| 20:50:11 | JavaMan22 | but nothing happened |
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| 20:50:45 | funky | perl|work: sounds better :)) |
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| 20:51:38 | funky | perl|work: I guess the problem is when you try to listen a non-english feeds |
| 20:51:40 | funky | feed* |
| 20:52:27 | perl|work | fair enough |
| 20:52:44 | funky | Im gonna try with some in spanish |
| 20:54:15 | funky | no way |
| 20:55:24 | Iskandar | It is working!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:55:36 | bluebrother | nice to hear |
| 20:56:34 | desowin | congrats |
| 20:57:36 | JavaMan22 | what is working |
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| 20:58:15 | desowin | JavaMan22: Iskandar's iPod |
| 20:58:48 | Iskandar | Thank you for all |
| 20:59:06 | Iskandar | desowin, bluebrother, linuxstb and all the others |
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| 21:00:09 | Nico_P | wow the H10 becomes almost completely unresponsive when I activate too much fancy audio features |
| 21:00:35 | Nico_P | though the audio still plays fine |
| 21:00:57 | Nico_P | that's a nice target to test my tokenizer on :) |
| 21:00:57 | TrueJournals | I've noticed that too... playing audio seems to have top priority above EVERYTHING else... |
| 21:04:36 | JavaMan22 | i want to learn c but im lazy :( |
| 21:05:06 | Nico_P | JavaMan22: do you code in java ? |
| 21:05:14 | JavaMan22 | yes |
| 21:05:24 | Nico_P | ok, just wondering :) |
| 21:05:32 | Nico_P | C is not really far from java |
| 21:05:42 | Nico_P | syntax wise I mean |
| 21:05:57 | JavaMan22 | i want to make a game |
| 21:06:03 | JavaMan22 | for the ipod video |
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| 21:06:27 | JavaMan22 | do i have to make it work for all targets for it to be in the build? |
| 21:06:27 | Nico_P | JavaMan22: hopefully it wouldn't be limited to the video |
| 21:06:33 | Nico_P | yes |
| 21:06:36 | JavaMan22 | :( |
| 21:06:41 | Nico_P | or at least several of them |
| 21:06:45 | Nico_P | it's not that hard |
| 21:06:59 | JavaMan22 | so far i have this sqaure |
| 21:07:02 | JavaMan22 | it moves around |
| 21:07:20 | TrueJournals | what kind of game do you want to make? |
| 21:07:27 | JavaMan22 | an rpg :) |
| 21:07:29 | Iskandar | I have a codec failure, how to fix it? |
| 21:07:33 | TrueJournals | wow =-O |
| 21:07:35 | JavaMan22 | the first rpg |
| 21:07:37 | TrueJournals | good luck |
| 21:07:43 | JavaMan22 | why is it hard |
| 21:07:49 | JavaMan22 | it cant be |
| 21:08:04 | JavaMan22 | my first one will be basically all text hehe |
| 21:08:04 | TrueJournals | I don't know |
| 21:08:08 | TrueJournals | I don't code C |
| 21:08:17 | TrueJournals | or java for that matter |
| 21:08:28 | TrueJournals | just seems like a big project |
| 21:08:33 | JavaMan22 | i just wish compiling didnt take so long |
| 21:08:38 | Iskandar | Ruby and Python are good |
| 21:08:46 | TrueJournals | JavaMan22: what are you using to compile? |
| 21:08:47 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:08:49 | bluebrother | Iskandar: you get a codec failure if you mixed up rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder. Just install again. |
| 21:08:50 | JavaMan22 | if compiling didnt take so long i would be more motivated to do stuff |
| 21:08:55 | JavaMan22 | cygqin |
| 21:08:56 | bluebrother | (only rockbox.zip) |
| 21:08:59 | JavaMan22 | cygwin |
| 21:09:05 | TrueJournals | I would reccomend switching to VMWare |
| 21:09:11 | desowin | Iskandar: don't try to run ruby or python on rockbox targets ;-) |
| 21:09:27 | Iskandar | yes |
| 21:09:32 | TrueJournals | I started using cygwin, it took like half an hour to compile... using VMWare, it took about 5 minutes (if that) |
| 21:09:35 | Iskandar | but to write a game, it is good |
| 21:09:56 | JavaMan22 | well it takes 4 min to compile for me |
| 21:09:58 | Iskandar | don't use VMWare, TrueJournals , use VirtualBox |
| 21:10:04 | TrueJournals | I do, actually :-p |
| 21:10:23 | TrueJournals | But, I had to make my own machine and it was kindof a pain... there's a VMWare machine that anyone can easily download |
| 21:10:28 | JavaMan22 | who has a ipod |
| 21:10:33 | JavaMan22 | *ipod video |
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| 21:14:50 | markun | JavaMan22: no me, but why are you asking? |
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| 21:19:52 | webguest_erik | I see that the H300 builds do not go very well at the moment. How can I find a more or less stable build? |
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| 21:21:08 | webguest_erik | Oops, I am sorry. I misread the dailybuild journal Please forget my question. |
| 21:21:33 | BigMac | does 16:9 for video lead to smaller file size but less quality the 4:3? |
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| 21:23:13 | Rcholla32 | Whats up yall |
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| 21:23:32 | JavaMan22 | wanted to know if someone wanted to test |
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| 21:25:14 | BigMac | Iskandar: does virtual box use less ram? |
| 21:25:25 | Rcholla32 | Can somone tell me the website of fixed sansa |
| 21:25:28 | Rcholla32 | E250 |
| 21:25:37 | Iskandar | yes BigMac |
| 21:25:47 | webguest_erik | JavaMan22: Test what? |
| 21:25:52 | BigMac | a lot less? |
| 21:26:00 | TrueJournals | BigMac: One of the pluses of VirtualBox is that it only runs when it is running. VMWare always has background processes running |
| 21:26:31 | BigMac | TrueJournals: Well on my latop I havbe to shut down every program to run vmware |
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| 21:27:21 | TrueJournals | I say it's worth a shot :-\ |
| 21:28:09 | bluebrother | BigMac: how much RAM do you have? |
| 21:28:41 | BigMac | UH like 470 something mb |
| 21:29:20 | BigMac | And does anyone here use winff for video conversion for rockbox |
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| 21:30:49 | BigMac | or should I just try vlc because it does not seem to be working |
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| 21:31:21 | TrueJournals | BigMac: are you running windows? |
| 21:31:30 | BigMac | yes |
| 21:31:40 | TrueJournals | Try my GUIEncode program: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=51189 |
| 21:32:58 | bluebrother | maybe you should consider upgrading your RAM −− my machine is a P-M 1.4GHz and it runs fine since I upgraded to 2GiB RAM :D |
| 21:33:11 | bluebrother | so the machine itself isn't quite fast ... |
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| 21:35:02 | JavaMan22 | my moving square program |
| 21:36:12 | BigMac | bluebrother: If I had the cash I would:p |
| 21:36:24 | * | petur hugs virtualbox too :) |
| 21:36:39 | BigMac | TrueJournals: Perhaps you should add a progressbad in because I have no idea how far along it is |
| 21:36:55 | TrueJournals | BigMac: I would I could add a real progress bar :-\ |
| 21:37:04 | TrueJournals | that's not really possible though |
| 21:37:12 | BigMac | what? |
| 21:37:50 | BigMac | I have seen progres bars in programs all the time |
| 21:37:56 | BigMac | or at least a percent complete |
| 21:38:44 | TrueJournals | Yes, but first, I don't think I can do it with the language I'm using, second, with mencoder, if I see what it's outputting, it doesn't give an measure of progress, third, with VLC, I don't know how to get the progress data |
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| 21:40:33 | BigMac | Hmm |
| 21:40:57 | BigMac | Wel Just saying it is quite hard to tell if the program is still encoding or it stopped working |
| 21:41:23 | TrueJournals | Hmm... maybe I'll add some kind of animated icon... |
| 21:42:21 | BigMac | Yah |
| 21:42:41 | BigMac | And are videos supposed to be outputted as .rock s? |
| 21:42:54 | TrueJournals | it's really .rock.mpg |
| 21:42:56 | TrueJournals | so, yes |
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| 21:43:40 | BigMac | ok snd I will check on my palyer, but it is reading the file liength as almost triple what the original was |
| 21:44:26 | TrueJournals | Well, I gotta go |
| 21:44:27 | TrueJournals | see ya |
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| 21:45:41 | linuxstb | BigMac: What's your problem with WinFF? |
| 21:46:14 | BigMac | Umm hold on |
| 21:46:34 | BigMac | It kept giving me something like I do not hav access to write here |
| 21:46:42 | BigMac | and it was on the desktop |
| 21:48:16 | scorche | Bagder: there? |
| 21:48:21 | Bagder | yeps |
| 21:49:29 | scorche | do you have an ftp where i can upload this image? |
| 21:50:11 | Bagder | vmware image? |
| 21:50:15 | scorche | yup |
| 21:51:31 | Bagder | I guess you don't have it so that I can get it from you? |
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| 21:51:55 | BigMac | linuxstb: Exact error" Access denied Ok to ignore and risk corruption cancel to kill the program |
| 21:51:57 | BigMac | " |
| 21:52:39 | scorche | i have kept putting off getting my own server running, so i dont...hold on a bit and let me see if i can make midkay become useful ;) |
| 21:53:03 | scorche | erm....he is in school...we will just deal with it later, i suppose |
| 21:54:13 | BigMac | any suggestions |
| 21:54:44 | BigMac | and gui encode only outputted like 2 seconds of sound then it skips and starts over |
| 21:54:52 | BigMac | for like an hour an a half |
| 21:55:11 | perl|work | BigMac what kind of file are you converting? |
| 21:55:17 | BigMac | avi |
| 21:55:26 | perl|work | avi is a container, what format? |
| 21:55:40 | BigMac | uhh lemme check |
| 21:55:59 | perl|work | what resolution and fps? |
| 21:56:19 | BigMac | don't know any of that |
| 21:56:28 | BigMac | I checked properties |
| 21:56:41 | perl|work | play it in any player and check file properties within it |
| 21:56:43 | BigMac | and all I can find out is that it is aan AVI(.avi) |
| 21:57:01 | perl|work | what player do you use? |
| 21:57:23 | petur | cd .. |
| 21:57:29 | petur | frrrr |
| 21:57:54 | perl|work | petur too long of a day huh? :P |
| 21:58:11 | petur | nah... beer, but don't mention it ;) |
| 21:59:45 | BigMac | perl|work: mplayer and I found it hold on I will paste |
| 21:59:54 | BigMac | KLCP AVI File |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:16 | BigMac | wait no |
| 22:00:21 | BigMac | video is xvid |
| 22:00:31 | BigMac | 24 fps |
| 22:00:45 | perl|work | aha thats better |
| 22:00:53 | perl|work | how long it is? |
| 22:01:02 | BigMac | 23:06 |
| 22:01:35 | BigMac | and for some reason it opens up a 320x 240 movie now when I click it along with the original size in an active x window |
| 22:02:04 | perl|work | what error is winFF giving you again? |
| 22:02:34 | BigMac | Access denied Ok to ignore and risk corruption cancel to kill the program" |
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| 22:04:00 | BigMac | any possible solutions? |
| 22:04:05 | BigMac | should I try vlc? |
| 22:04:09 | perl|work | could you paste the whole message somewhere? |
| 22:04:18 | BigMac | that is the whole message |
| 22:05:01 | perl|work | could you run just ffmpeg.exe and see what happens? |
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| 22:05:50 | BigMac | windows can't find the file error |
| 22:06:01 | perl|work | a dll file? |
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| 22:09:03 | BigMac | Windows can't find"ffmpeg.exe. Please make sure it is spelled correctly |
| 22:09:23 | * | petur wants to commit http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6938 - anybody against it? |
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| 22:09:42 | smably | not i |
| 22:10:10 | perl|work | BigMac erm, have you check in the \Program Files\WinFF ? |
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| 22:10:52 | bluebrother | petur: the description sounds good ;-) |
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| 22:11:44 | BigMac | perl|work: clicked it and it opened the command prompt ran some commands and closed |
| 22:11:49 | crop | I've already asked this but (I think) got no reply. So: may a non-committer come to the DevCon 2007? |
| 22:12:30 | Bagder | sure |
| 22:12:38 | perl|work | BigMac do you have any other (small) video file to try? |
| 22:12:53 | BigMac | no |
| 22:13:23 | perl|work | cause i think its the file |
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| 22:13:34 | Bagder | crop: it could be a good chance to become one as well! ;-) |
| 22:13:37 | perl|work | not winFF |
| 22:13:43 | BigMac | the file plays fine on my computer |
| 22:14:39 | BigMac | I guess I will try vlc |
| 22:14:40 | perl|work | also double check the output directory |
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| 22:15:00 | crop | Bagder: he-he. Ok, I'll consider whether I could contribute something. And I also have to check the plans for that weekend. |
| 22:15:15 | Iskandar | Why rockbox don't work in the iPod nano v2 ? |
| 22:15:34 | Bagder | Iskandar: because nobody has made it work on it |
| 22:15:44 | perl|work | BigMac change it to something, avoid desktop and default windows folders |
| 22:16:07 | Iskandar | And when it will be supported ? |
| 22:16:34 | BigMac | I tried several folders |
| 22:16:37 | BigMac | still no go |
| 22:16:55 | Bagder | Iskandar: when someone makes rockbox run on it, it might take a while |
| 22:16:55 | Febs | We generally don't answer questions that begin with "when?" |
| 22:17:11 | Iskandar | OK |
| 22:17:19 | bluebrother | hmm. Prices for flights are quite jumpy ... |
| 22:17:50 | Iskandar | So, it's possible tu run Rockbox on iPod nano? |
| 22:18:03 | Bagder | Iskandar: on the 1st gen nano, yes |
| 22:18:26 | perl|work | BigMac ok one last thing |
| 22:18:46 | perl|work | BigMac check if winFF folder is write protected |
| 22:18:51 | BigMac | none of these files will play in vlc though |
| 22:18:52 | Iskandar | and on the 2rd generations ? |
| 22:18:59 | bluebrother | Iskandar: no. |
| 22:19:17 | perl|work | BigMac aha, thats something |
| 22:19:24 | perl|work | what happens when you try? |
| 22:19:27 | XavierGr | the gigabeat surely needs a lot of work in the keymap definition... |
| 22:19:37 | XavierGr | many of the combos are unusable |
| 22:19:40 | Bagder | Iskandar: you already asked why it isn't working, so why ask again if it works? |
| 22:19:41 | crop | Bagder: does a WPS have to exist for all screen sizes supported by RB in order to be included into the official pack? |
| 22:19:45 | BigMac | I see no video |
| 22:19:45 | perl|work | XavierGr whats wrong with its keymaps? |
| 22:19:48 | BigMac | I hear audio |
| 22:19:54 | BigMac | but it plays in mplayer |
| 22:19:55 | perl|work | BigMac is the slider moving? |
| 22:19:59 | BigMac | yah |
| 22:20:01 | perl|work | is there sound? |
| 22:20:06 | BigMac | yah |
| 22:20:28 | Bagder | crop: yes, but we're also reluctant to add anymore at all since we just want to ship a few in the bundle and provide the rest via rockbox-themes.org, the wiki or similar |
| 22:20:33 | XavierGr | and the most annoying occurance was with battery_bench. when loaded battery_bench would ask for power to exit but then when you released the power button batter_bench would run once again cause of the release action |
| 22:20:45 | XavierGr | perl|work: try to page scroll |
| 22:21:06 | perl|work | XavierGr ha i think i never tried that really |
| 22:21:27 | XavierGr | also it is like Llorean said, different keys do different things from what other targets with about the same layout of buttons do |
| 22:21:31 | bluebrother | crop: how about adjusting the shpped themes for players they haven't been adjusted to? |
| 22:22:00 | perl|work | BigMac ffmpeg is having problems with them in general then |
| 22:22:27 | | Part Soul-Slayer |
| 22:22:36 | perl|work | perhaps they are not standart xvid encodes |
| 22:22:52 | BigMac | z.z |
| 22:22:58 | BigMac | that sucks |
| 22:23:11 | perl|work | if you want you can upload it |
| 22:23:17 | crop | Bagder: OK. I've just found a simple non graphical WPS that would work with many fonts. But it was originally written for H120 (which suits me). And I thought it could also be included into the pack. There is no rwps though. |
| 22:23:18 | perl|work | id like to check them |
| 22:23:28 | BigMac | Umm it is a few megs |
| 22:23:29 | crop | bluebrother: don't they already exist for all screens? |
| 22:23:38 | perl|work | BigMac well, if you can |
| 22:23:43 | BigMac | and I don't have any upload space |
| 22:23:50 | perl|work | BigMac, yousendit.com |
| 22:25:27 | * | petur is booking tickets |
| 22:25:29 | BigMac | it is too big |
| 22:27:00 | perl|work | pity |
| 22:27:26 | * | Bagder assigns mentors |
| 22:27:54 | BigMac | I really wanted to get these working:( |
| 22:28:10 | BigMac | wait could I create a torrent then send you the torrent? |
| 22:28:46 | scorche | torrents need a tracker |
| 22:28:48 | crop | petur: are you doing this at one of the low price lines (ryanair et al)? |
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| 22:29:44 | petur | nope, going for brussels airlines... ryanair is 4 hours drive (x2), costing almost the same if I calculate gas prices too |
| 22:30:02 | bluebrother | crop: not all. zezayer e.g. works only on one resolution |
| 22:30:12 | BigMac | wow video is amazing |
| 22:30:20 | BigMac | qulaity and everything |
| 22:30:23 | BigMac | kudos |
| 22:30:34 | bluebrother | and the newer screens also have themes missing as they weren't available at that time |
| 22:31:35 | petur | duh... supersave site is 3 euro cheaper but asks 9 euro visa fee.... so much for being cheaper... |
| 22:32:29 | crop | bluebrother: hmm... on another note: follow playlist seems to be broken in the current build |
| 22:32:58 | bluebrother | are you trying to use follow playlist with the database view? |
| 22:33:01 | perl|work | BigMac you mean quality of the video on the target? |
| 22:33:13 | BigMac | yah |
| 22:33:21 | BigMac | I was watching elephants dream |
| 22:33:33 | perl|work | btw i tried to compile album art patch yesterday, it worked perfectly |
| 22:33:56 | perl|work | were you having problems with that? |
| 22:34:05 | BigMac | yah |
| 22:34:12 | BigMac | it was asking for which files to patch |
| 22:34:20 | BigMac | and I can neve get that to work |
| 22:34:26 | perl|work | really? |
| 22:34:38 | crop | bluebrother: no, file view. On my H120, I press NAVI while in wps. And the folder the song is in is _not_ shown |
| 22:34:52 | perl|work | BigMac can you add other patches? |
| 22:35:01 | perl|work | the ones you're that work |
| 22:35:13 | bluebrother | hmm. Haven't used that option for a while. |
| 22:35:29 | perl|work | you're sure* |
| 22:35:54 | BigMac | yah usually |
| 22:36:10 | BigMac | but it gave the prompt Which file to patch |
| 22:36:19 | BigMac | then I did not know what to type |
| 22:36:22 | crop | bluebrother: I use it always. To be able to skip some songs |
| 22:36:44 | BigMac | perl|work: should I try converting from xvid to something else first? |
| 22:36:48 | BigMac | then convert? |
| 22:36:48 | bluebrother | maybe it's a setting issue ... |
| 22:36:51 | perl|work | BigMac have you tried different -p option? |
| 22:36:58 | BigMac | no |
| 22:36:58 | bluebrother | did you notice when it broke? |
| 22:37:03 | BigMac | I only use p0 |
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| 22:37:41 | perl|work | BigMac perhaps you can try converting those xvids yeah |
| 22:37:51 | BigMac | to what format? |
| 22:38:05 | crop | bluebrother: no, I haven't. Could you pls write my nick in posts to me? It will be easier to track the conversation. |
| 22:38:36 | crop | bluebrother: I assume that it happened with one of the recent JdGordon's commints |
| 22:38:51 | perl|work | BigMac, try this soft: http://www.videora.com/en-us/Converter/iPod/ |
| 22:39:16 | BigMac | that goes to mp4 though doesn't it? |
| 22:39:22 | perl|work | yes |
| 22:39:37 | bluebrother | crop: I somewhat don't consider it a good way of hilighting all lines |
| 22:39:38 | crop | bluebrother: I'll verify it on the sim |
| 22:39:45 | perl|work | but at least youd know if you can convert them further |
| 22:39:58 | BigMac | oh I can convert from mp4? |
| 22:40:12 | bluebrother | maybe you want to pick a different irc client? The web client isn't too convenient ;-) |
| 22:40:43 | perl|work | BigMac yes, and then try to convert from mp4 to mpeg |
| 22:40:56 | BigMac | ok |
| 22:41:06 | crop | bluebrother: it's also an eye catcher. How can another irc client help? What client do you use? I don't use irc other than for RB |
| 22:41:44 | bluebrother | I use irssi or xchat, depending on what machine I'm using |
| 22:44:07 | crop | And how do you track the conversation if a post is not addresses to you (by using of bluebrother)? |
| 22:46:07 | bluebrother | I don't find it difficult tracking the nicks ... |
| 22:46:28 | bluebrother | this channel isn't too high-traffic |
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| 22:46:52 | BigMac | wait perl|work can I convert from h 264? |
| 22:47:32 | perl|work | BigMac, with winFF? |
| 22:47:37 | BigMac | sure |
| 22:47:42 | perl|work | yes |
| 22:47:45 | BigMac | ok |
| 22:48:29 | perl|work | you might need a latest version of ffmpeg.exe though, depends on the file |
| 22:51:05 | crop | bluebrother: I've verified it on the sim. And then on target. Follow playlist works if you navigate to a file and play it. But if you start playback after the dap was switched on it doesn't |
| 22:51:37 | crop | I.e. you resume playback at the position that was started at shut down |
| 22:52:05 | crop | Do you experience the same? |
| 22:52:10 | |Rincewind| | I just tried it on my h120 and confirm what crop says |
| 22:52:25 | bluebrother | ok ... please file a bug report |
| 22:52:26 | |Rincewind| | I have the most recent build |
| 22:53:23 | crop | Ah, sorry, I have to leave. |
| 22:53:32 | | Part crop ("Have a nice weekend") |
| 22:56:51 | * | linuxstb thinks Rockbox should plagiarise most of the text from here - http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/download.html |
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| 23:10:19 | spahija | hi all...looking for some info regarding Ipod 2nd gen and rockbox ! Is it possible ? |
| 23:12:26 | bluebrother | what ipod 2nd gen? |
| 23:12:35 | spahija | U2 edition |
| 23:12:38 | bluebrother | Mini 2nd gen works fine here ;-) |
| 23:12:51 | bluebrother | and what is that exactly? |
| 23:13:19 | spahija | hm... its a 2nd gen Ipod ( not mini ) 15 GB drive |
| 23:13:28 | spahija | lemme show you a picture |
| 23:13:55 | spahija | http://www.satsig.net/ipod-u2-special-edition.jpg |
| 23:13:55 | bluebrother | greyscale lcd? |
| 23:14:06 | spahija | yes |
| 23:14:20 | petur | afaik, 2nd gen isn't supported, even 3rd gen is barely supported |
| 23:14:22 | bluebrother | might be identical to the G4. |
| 23:14:39 | bluebrother | you could just try to run ipodpatcher and look if it finds an ipod and what it reports. |
| 23:14:51 | spahija | petur, yeah I thought that too |
| 23:15:01 | spahija | bluebrother, getting it on monday |
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| 23:15:17 | bluebrother | ok, found something on wikipedia ... seems to be identical to 4G. |
| 23:15:26 | spahija | bluebrother, oh ? |
| 23:15:29 | spahija | cool |
| 23:15:33 | spahija | so there is a chance |
| 23:15:38 | petur | err... that pic surely isn't an ipod 2nd gen is it? |
| 23:16:03 | spahija | petur, well guy that I bought it from said it is |
| 23:16:20 | spahija | it has 15 GB drive so I guess its correct version |
| 23:16:43 | petur | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipod#Models |
| 23:16:57 | bluebrother | the 2G has a different "wheel" |
| 23:17:21 | bluebrother | but your picture shows a click wheel which was introduced with the 4G |
| 23:17:31 | spahija | well as I said its a spec edition ... |
| 23:17:42 | spahija | but will know for sure on monday |
| 23:17:53 | spahija | manday |
| 23:18:16 | spahija | oops...sorry about that |
| 23:18:17 | petur | and http://www.apple.com/ipod/u2/ has 30GB |
| 23:18:49 | spahija | it has ? even better :D |
| 23:18:55 | perl|work | petur thats the new u2 ipod |
| 23:19:01 | petur | oh |
| 23:19:02 | perl|work | old one is 4g 15gb |
| 23:19:11 | perl|work | aka ipod photo |
| 23:19:15 | bluebrother | unless you let ipodpatcher write anything it's safe to try detecting the ipod |
| 23:19:32 | bluebrother | wasn't the photo colored? ;-) |
| 23:19:53 | perl|work | colored? |
| 23:20:10 | spahija | I have a huge collection of ogg files and hope that it can play it with rockbox |
| 23:20:38 | bluebrother | color display. |
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| 23:21:54 | spahija | colored as in painted with crayon colors not a color screen (if I can add explanation to this misunderstanding) ;) |
| 23:22:47 | perl|work | well |
| 23:22:48 | perl|work | Apple 20 GB iPod Photo U2 Special Edition MA127LL/A (4th Generation) |
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| 23:22:59 | perl|work | unles theres an even older one |
| 23:23:19 | spahija | perl|work, its 15 GB but guy might be wrong |
| 23:23:48 | perl|work | 15gb was the initial model as i remember |
| 23:23:58 | perl|work | they re-release it as 20gb later on |
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| 23:24:30 | spahija | is it actually a drive inside ..a 2.5" or something ? |
| 23:24:57 | bluebrother | 1.8" afaik |
| 23:25:21 | bluebrother | but definitely less than 2.5" |
| 23:25:30 | spahija | I see |
| 23:26:49 | perl|work | spahija yes theres an older one, without the color display |
| 23:26:53 | perl|work | i just checked |
| 23:26:59 | perl|work | still its 4g |
| 23:27:44 | spahija | perl|work, still ist 4 gen ? |
| 23:27:48 | perl|work | yes |
| 23:27:51 | perl|work | both are |
| 23:28:06 | spahija | I see..so rockbox is a possibility after all |
| 23:28:44 | spahija | perl|work, but why does apple refers to it as 2.3 gen ? |
| 23:28:59 | perl|work | where? |
| 23:29:07 | spahija | oh their site |
| 23:29:10 | perl|work | link? |
| 23:29:31 | spahija | just a sec |
| 23:30:43 | spahija | perl|work, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipod#Models −−-> If you look for a 15 GB size it shows a 2,3 GEN |
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| 23:31:50 | perl|work | maybe your friend went like this: |
| 23:31:56 | perl|work | 20000 / 1024 = 16.6 "real"GB |
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| 23:32:34 | spahija | well your guess is good as mine...all I know its a 15 GB ..so I have to take his word on it |
| 23:32:43 | perl|work | and as i said theres a batch of u2 ipods 4g with 15gb drives |
| 23:33:09 | perl|work | you have to wait and see |
| 23:33:30 | perl|work | there was simple no other u2 ipods besides 4g and 5g |
| 23:33:34 | spahija | perl|work, impatiently for sure |
| 23:33:48 | petur | well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:IPod_Models_Timeline.svg shows a 15GB 4G.... |
| 23:34:27 | perl|work | again as i said |
| 23:34:29 | spahija | food time ...thanks guys for info ..talk to ya on monday again |
| 23:34:31 | perl|work | they are rare beasts |
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| 23:47:56 | webguest55 | hi |
| 23:48:43 | petur | ho |
| 23:48:59 | webguest55 | i wanna know what could i do with rock box now that its installed |
| 23:49:04 | webguest55 | any new features i should download |
| 23:49:46 | petur | if you downloaded and installed rockbox you have the latest and greatest ;) |
| 23:50:16 | petur | don't forget the fontpack and any additional themes you like... |
| 23:50:59 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery and http://www.rockbox-themes.org |
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| 23:58:17 | Febs | webguest55: You should the manual for your platform. It will explain everything Rockbox can do: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
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