| 00:00:18 | blackninj | sorry, i had no idea |
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| 00:02:21 | fm2 | Aua! I've just discovered a huge bug in RB! |
| 00:03:33 | fm2 | On my h120, while mp3 is playing, it whistles three times and then... I don't know. The music seems to be played back backwards. Like on some Beatles albums |
| 00:04:24 | fm2 | Has anyone seen this as well? |
| 00:04:37 | roolku | fm2: it's not a bug, it's a feature - the demonic message feature |
| 00:04:51 | roolku | fm2: only active on April 1st |
| 00:05:26 | fm2 | Ah, yesss! :-))) Greetings to all of you fools! :-))) |
| 00:05:50 | idnar | hahaha |
| 00:06:03 | davina | still march here ;) |
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| 00:13:54 | Mouser_X | Oh wow... |
| 00:14:00 | Mouser_X | Interesting feature. |
| 00:14:05 | Mouser_X | It's March here as well. |
| 00:15:32 | blackninj | I'm having a hard time finding bootsplash help in the forum |
| 00:16:51 | kramdra | just wondering but can song info be used by plugins? similar to the stuff that can be put on the WPS screen? |
| 00:17:41 | kramdra | can WPS stuff like current song, next etc.. be used by plugins? |
| 00:17:57 | kramdra | can WPS stuff like current song, next etc.. be used by plugins? |
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| 00:19:40 | Mouser_X | kramdr: I would think so, but I don't know. |
| 00:19:52 | BigMac | Is there an option to not have backlight shut off in mpegplayer? because that makes no sense for it to keep shutting off |
| 00:21:36 | perldiver | it doesnt shut off here |
| 00:22:01 | Mouser_X | Hmmm... I can see how that'd be a big problem... |
| 00:22:37 | Mouser_X | Also, could an option be added to MpegPlayer that allows you to temporarily increase the brightness of the backlight while it's playing? |
| 00:22:56 | Mouser_X | I intentionally have my light set low to save on battery. |
| 00:23:07 | Mouser_X | Just in case. |
| 00:25:36 | blackninj | can someone tell me what topic customizing the bootsplash is under in the forums? |
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| 00:25:46 | BigMac | Alright another question, is their any bookmarking/remember place feature working yet |
| 00:25:56 | Mouser_X | I doubt it... |
| 00:26:00 | Mouser_X | It'd be nice though. |
| 00:26:18 | BigMac | blackninj: there isn't a topic just click search and enter "custom boot screen" |
| 00:26:26 | Mouser_X | Actually, for how I plan on using mpegplayer, it'd be *very* nice... |
| 00:26:47 | blackninj | thanks BigMac |
| 00:26:56 | Mouser_X | I plan on watching TV shows on my breaks at work. |
| 00:27:05 | Mouser_X | They're given in 15 minute bits. |
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| 00:27:15 | Mouser_X | Most of the shows are about 20 minutes... |
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| 00:27:39 | Mouser_X | If you registered your nick, you could boot them off. |
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| 00:27:48 | Mouser_X | Or that. |
| 00:27:52 | BigMac | Mouser_X: Yah but not many people have an hour and a half to sit down in the case of a movie |
| 00:28:00 | BigMac | I have like 20 minute spurts |
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| 00:28:09 | Mouser_X | Hmmm. |
| 00:29:12 | perldiver | BigMac backlight should be always on while in mpegplayer |
| 00:31:06 | BigMac | perldiver: Yah I realized it was because I had usb plugged in |
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| 00:32:04 | perldiver | also connecting usb while in mpegplayer will crash rockbox |
| 00:32:36 | perldiver | connecting headphones having "pause on headphones disconnect" option will crash it too |
| 00:33:55 | BigMac | I have that option on |
| 00:34:05 | BigMac | I just won't remove my headphones |
| 00:36:57 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
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| 01:28:43 | Rug | Howdy all |
| 01:30:29 | Rug | Is the 5.5G version of 80GB video Ipod still a no-go? |
| 01:33:22 | JavaMan22 | no go it is |
| 01:33:36 | JavaMan22 | but ipod linux works on 80gig |
| 01:35:05 | Rug | really? hmm I might have to look into that then. I bought the ipod expecting to put rockbox on it, but was quite dissappointed to see that it can't/won't work. What are the advantages of linuxPod ? |
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| 01:42:50 | x1jmp | Where is that wiki page about recommended devices? |
| 01:43:43 | x1jmp | I've seen it once but I can't remember the name, it showed a table and listed advantages of players (storage, runtime, display) |
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| 01:46:06 | holst | anyone know if there is any support for encryption in rockbox? |
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| 01:47:05 | JavaMan22 | Rug: ipod linux can basically do anything rockbox can but no one works on it as much as rockbox |
| 01:47:25 | JavaMan22 | for rockbox there are updates everyday which i like :D |
| 01:48:02 | Rug | JavaMan22: thanks |
| 01:49:44 | Soap | what kind of support holst? |
| 01:51:07 | holst | like cryptsetup in linux |
| 01:51:15 | holst | where you encrypt an entire partition |
| 01:51:54 | holst | when i start the mp3 player i get to input a password to enable playback |
| 01:52:19 | holst | the password can be given by using a combination of up,left,right,down and such button presses |
| 01:52:51 | holst | i dont know how much more battery this would "cost" |
| 01:53:07 | holst | but i know there exits very optimized assembler versions of aes-128 |
| 01:53:34 | holst | maybe blowfish even (very basic algorithm) |
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| 01:59:19 | holst | oh here comes a developer :) |
| 01:59:35 | JavaMan22 | :) |
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| 02:00:26 | JdGordon | I wouldnt hold your breath for encyption... |
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| 02:01:16 | BHSPitMonkey | holst rocks |
| 02:01:29 | |Rincewind| | JdGordon: is it intentional that the first keypress after exiting a plugin does nothing? |
| 02:01:54 | JdGordon | no... |
| 02:01:56 | JdGordon | which target? |
| 02:02:03 | |Rincewind| | h120 |
| 02:02:12 | holst | BHSPitMonkey: i dont feel safe at the airport with my semi legal mp3 collection :| |
| 02:02:17 | JdGordon | with svn? |
| 02:02:17 | Mouser_X | It's happened frequently on the Gigabeat as well. |
| 02:02:44 | markun | amiconn: I'm here now |
| 02:02:46 | |Rincewind| | I haven't tried with the very latest, but 2 days ago it was there |
| 02:02:47 | Mouser_X | I just thought it was a "feature" or something saving, or something. |
| 02:02:55 | |Rincewind| | and one week ago, too |
| 02:02:55 | linuxstb | holst: That kind of feature has been requested and rejected many times - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?tasks=&project=1&string=password&type=&sev=&due=&dev=&cat=&status=all&date=0 |
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| 02:03:36 | JdGordon | |Rincewind|: ok, just puttin svn on my h300 to see what hapopens... |
| 02:03:42 | BHSPitMonkey | holst, I don't care about your mp3's, and I was referring to a holst who's long dead |
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| 02:04:14 | markun | linuxstb: I read that there are some problems with my YUV changes, probably a problem with clamping, don't you think? |
| 02:04:36 | markun | I generated the tables, so I could play with that |
| 02:04:40 | linuxstb | markun: Maybe, I haven't looked at your commit yet - I'll look now... |
| 02:04:54 | JdGordon | |Rincewind|: does it matter which plugin you exit? |
| 02:05:24 | roolku | |Rincewind| / JdGordon : I have reported this ages ago (http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5829.msg63323#msg63323) |
| 02:05:42 | |Rincewind| | i haven't tried every plugin, but it seems general |
| 02:05:56 | |Rincewind| | might have to do with action_signalscreenchange() ? |
| 02:06:04 | markun | linuxstb: but jhMikeS will replace it by a asm implementation anyway |
| 02:06:06 | roolku | |Rincewind|: have a look at the posting |
| 02:06:32 | Soap | If your MP3 collection is semi legal - fix that issue, don't request a band-aid. |
| 02:06:51 | JdGordon | ah! its this bug again... ok |
| 02:07:08 | Soap | regardless, are you expecting a lawyer to stop you an issue a supoena at the airport? |
| 02:07:34 | Mouser_X | If worse comes to worse, you can format your player. |
| 02:07:39 | Mouser_X | Who's to know then? |
| 02:08:06 | |Rincewind| | roolku: that's the problem, yes |
| 02:08:21 | Soap | Copyright is a civil, not criminal issue. All the airport security in the world don't give a rat's-hiney about your infringement, though you shouldn't talk of it here as infringers don't belong here. |
| 02:08:49 | linuxstb | markun: Do you mean clamping of the input values? i.e. YCbCr generated by libmpeg2? |
| 02:09:29 | perldiver | markun there's too much green now :P |
| 02:09:32 | holst | "long dead"? :) |
| 02:09:49 | |Rincewind| | has someone here tested mpgplayer on h1xx? |
| 02:10:05 | markun | perldiver: do you have a short movie for me to test my fix with? |
| 02:10:14 | Soap | holst: see "The Planets", etc. |
| 02:10:14 | linuxstb | |Rincewind|: I wouldn't go as far to say "tested", but I've run it... |
| 02:10:41 | perldiver | markun 25mb, would that be ok? |
| 02:10:48 | markun | perldiver: yes |
| 02:10:51 | |Rincewind| | is it realtime (how many frames?) |
| 02:11:01 | perldiver | markun would you accept dcc? |
| 02:11:16 | linuxstb | perldiver: Does connecting/disconnecting the headphone also crash other plugins which claim the audio buffer? e.g. the JPEG viewer (with large pictures) or Doom? |
| 02:11:17 | JdGordon | roolku: |Rincewind|, i think I may have found the proper fix.... |
| 02:11:29 | perldiver | linuxstb i never tried actually |
| 02:11:29 | markun | linuxstb: yes, the input values (to prevent y - 16 to be negative for example) |
| 02:11:44 | linuxstb | markun: Yes, that seems to be needed. |
| 02:11:50 | markun | perldiver: I'll make a patch, if it works you can first try it, ok? |
| 02:11:53 | roolku | JdGordon: cool |
| 02:12:03 | perldiver | markun so you dont want the video? |
| 02:12:11 | markun | perldiver: not now |
| 02:12:16 | perldiver | i can test the patch no problem then |
| 02:12:35 | JdGordon | just waiting for the full make to finish... but I think its because action_signalscreenchange is after the button_clear_queue call |
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| 02:14:03 | JdGordon | yep :) |
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| 02:14:37 | perldiver | linuxstb just tested it, it doesn't |
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| 02:16:44 | linuxstb | perldiver: With what plugin? |
| 02:16:55 | perldiver | both mentioned |
| 02:17:28 | linuxstb | OK, thanks... |
| 02:17:37 | JdGordon | roolku: |Rincewind|, fix commited |
| 02:17:49 | |Rincewind| | thanks |
| 02:18:23 | roolku | thanks |
| 02:18:59 | perldiver | linuxstb it doesnt literally crash it when you plug the headphones. the videos goes into slow motion with all buttons locked |
| 02:21:57 | JavaMan22 | i think the view partition in debug should display if its a fat32 or linux part i dont understand the numbers |
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| 02:30:26 | markun | perldiver, linuxstb: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/yuv_update2.diff |
| 02:32:11 | perldiver | on it |
| 02:32:12 | markun | looks like the code is a bit slower though.. |
| 02:32:20 | markun | but I'm not sure |
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| 02:37:13 | markun | perldiver: and? |
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| 02:37:43 | shoepainter | he i seee they have a new gigabeat s port |
| 02:37:44 | perldiver | give me a few |
| 02:37:55 | Soap | shoepainter: who? |
| 02:37:57 | markun | shoepainter: who has? |
| 02:38:03 | markun | Soap: damn :) |
| 02:38:16 | Soap | markun: You used more words, thus I won. |
| 02:38:23 | shoepainter | on the web site it |
| 02:38:36 | markun | shoepainter: do you have a link? |
| 02:38:41 | shoepainter | no |
| 02:38:47 | shoepainter | its in development |
| 02:38:56 | shoepainter | soory if i got u excited |
| 02:39:08 | shoepainter | under new ports |
| 02:39:17 | markun | shoepainter: well, I didn't believe you anyway :) |
| 02:39:30 | markun | so don't worry about getting be too excited :) |
| 02:40:09 | Soap | so what was the color noise issue with mpeg player? |
| 02:40:25 | shoepainter | it has two acually "Tatuga Elio TPJ-1022" and "Gigaeat S (S30 S60)" |
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| 02:40:33 | linuxstb | markun: Why did you choose to make the arrays int, and not (e.g.) uint8_t/int8_t ? |
| 02:40:34 | Soap | did you switch away from the standard MPEG YUV->RGB conversion? |
| 02:41:04 | markun | linuxstb: could do that yes |
| 02:41:29 | linuxstb | markun: I think using 8-bit types will be faster - it means you don't need to multiple *ysrc by 4 to get the index. |
| 02:43:04 | markun | linuxstb: but I will not 'waste' too much time on it if jhMikeS can speed it up a lot with his asm version |
| 02:43:09 | shoepainter | I cant wait until the Gigabeat S gets ported (Icant stand WMP) |
| 02:43:55 | markun | shoepainter: *if* it ever gets ported of course |
| 02:44:08 | shoepainter | quick question I have WMP ver. 2.11 (gigabeat S60) is that the latest |
| 02:44:16 | linuxstb | shoepainter: I thought you could drag-and-drop audio files to MTP devices ? |
| 02:44:46 | shoepainter | you can drag and drop |
| 02:45:27 | linuxstb | So why do you need WMP? |
| 02:46:25 | markun | perldiver: yes, don't let me waiting too long :) |
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| 02:48:37 | perldiver | im compiling |
| 02:48:50 | markun | cygwin? |
| 02:49:24 | perldiver | yes |
| 02:50:15 | markun | poor guy :) |
| 02:51:16 | perldiver | i know :P |
| 02:51:31 | perldiver | give it 15 min |
| 02:51:32 | Soap | haha - Soap beats someone in compiling? |
| 02:51:37 | markun | 15?? |
| 02:51:59 | markun | maybe you should try vmware, I heard it's faster |
| 02:52:12 | perldiver | everybody says that |
| 02:52:44 | perldiver | its not really _that_ faster |
| 02:53:04 | linuxstb | It would probably be quicker to compile on the gigabeat.... |
| 02:53:20 | Soap | yea, it is that much faster than cygwin. |
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| 02:53:50 | perldiver | linuxstb ha |
| 02:54:05 | markun | perldiver: how much faster was it for you? And why did you stop using it? |
| 02:54:07 | perldiver | i got used to it |
| 02:54:17 | perldiver | (to cygwin) |
| 02:54:30 | markun | perldiver: well, I want to know if my patch work and then go to sleep.. |
| 02:55:01 | scorche | VMware really is much faster than cygwin.. |
| 02:55:44 | perldiver | i need to set it again probably |
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| 03:00:29 | perldiver | how long does it take on vmware? lets say on something like p4 |
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| 03:01:13 | |Rincewind| | I just timed a clean build on my ubuntu 1.2ghz pc. It took 5min 16 sec |
| 03:01:44 | |Rincewind| | athlon xp |
| 03:02:17 | perldiver | hmm |
| 03:02:19 | perldiver | :P |
| 03:02:50 | |Rincewind| | I guess a modern pc with 3ghz can do it in 2-3 min |
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| 03:03:19 | scorche | that is around what it takes me |
| 03:03:33 | scorche | although, i am dual-core 2.2 |
| 03:03:51 | |Rincewind| | i did a sim-build, if that matters |
| 03:04:17 | scorche | we, i was referring to the 2-3min and that is on vmware |
| 03:04:23 | scorche | s/we/well |
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| 03:05:03 | w0lfie | hey all |
| 03:05:23 | w0lfie | i am looking at doing something for FR4935 as i reckon it would be a pretty cool feature |
| 03:05:26 | |Rincewind| | If I remember correctly vmware wasn't that much worse than what I get now when I used it myself |
| 03:06:18 | w0lfie | i have a question about accurate timing, is there an existing plugin that deals with this? |
| 03:06:27 | w0lfie | would the stopwatch be a good place to start? |
| 03:07:01 | markun | w0lfie: sorry, don't know |
| 03:07:21 | w0lfie | markun: sweet as...hopefully some does :) |
| 03:07:44 | linuxstb | w0lfie: The standard timer in Rockbox is 100Hz - do you need higher precision than that? |
| 03:07:44 | |Rincewind| | what really bugs me is that it takes 30 secs to build even when I don't change code |
| 03:07:50 | w0lfie | does anyone know if HZ is an accurate second or does it fluctuate? |
| 03:08:53 | markun | perldiver: what's the ETA? |
| 03:09:07 | linuxstb | markun: Can you give perldiver a binary? |
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| 03:09:35 | w0lfie | linuxstb: well, potentially yes. if someone is wanting to do 180 beats per minute, then there is going to be a slight timing error |
| 03:09:37 | perldiver | done |
| 03:09:49 | markun | linuxstb: damn, could have done that of course :) |
| 03:11:12 | w0lfie | linuxstb: perhaps you won't actually be able to hear the difference? i'm really not sure without playing around |
| 03:11:24 | linuxstb | w0lfie: In which case, you probably need to use the user timer - you can use this to call a function N times per second. metronome.c uses it (search for rb->timer_ to see examples) |
| 03:11:43 | perldiver | let's see |
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| 03:13:16 | w0lfie | linuxstb: oh...haha. looks like someone has already beat me to it :) |
| 03:13:26 | perldiver | well |
| 03:13:31 | perldiver | "green" is still there |
| 03:13:38 | markun | weird |
| 03:13:39 | perldiver | its first 2 or so frames for me |
| 03:13:46 | perldiver | green "blur" |
| 03:13:54 | markun | well, will have to look at it some other time |
| 03:14:19 | Topic | "Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines | Everyone be sure to welcome the Zune and Nano 2nd Gen to the list of supported targets! | Finally! Version 3.0 released!" by scorche (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 03:14:20 | markun | perldiver: you rebooted after unzipping, right? |
| 03:14:26 | linuxstb | perldiver: That effect normally happens with badly encoded files - i.e. not starting with an I frame. |
| 03:14:30 | Mode | "#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 03:14:45 | markun | scorche: ah, it's that date again.. |
| 03:14:52 | perldiver | markun of course |
| 03:15:00 | scorche | markun: i havent the faintest idea of what you are talking about |
| 03:15:03 | JdGordon | ??? what date? |
| 03:15:06 | perldiver | linuxstb well yes, but that didnt happen before markun's update |
| 03:15:13 | JdGordon | im running rockbox on my zune now... |
| 03:15:18 | perldiver | lol |
| 03:15:40 | markun | anyway, good night |
| 03:15:44 | perldiver | night |
| 03:15:51 | perldiver | id put that on the main page for that matter |
| 03:16:06 | scorche | perldiver: Bagder has to wake up first ;) |
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| 03:16:20 | |Rincewind| | or a dummy svn commit? |
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| 03:17:07 | Topic | "Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines | Everyone be sure to welcome the Zune (be sure to thank the ZuneLinux project) and Nano 2nd Gen to the list of supported targets! | Finally! Version 3.0 released!" by scorche (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 03:17:22 | Mode | "#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 03:17:38 | scorche | ehehe |
| 03:17:54 | w0lfie | is anyone here running an iaudio x5 60g? if so, are there any complaints about them? |
| 03:18:47 | * | jhMikeS thinks he shouldn't answer that |
| 03:19:02 | w0lfie | are you not a fan? |
| 03:19:22 | jhMikeS | a fan of the sound big time, not of the company. |
| 03:20:29 | w0lfie | ahh right. with the company aside, do you think it is a decent player? |
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| 03:21:16 | jhMikeS | yes, if it never needs repair. probably especially wannanty repair. mine was sent out with a simple joystick problem and they messed it up twice. |
| 03:21:56 | jhMikeS | so aside from the company being a bunch of dills, it's the best sounding player I've heard so far. |
| 03:22:40 | w0lfie | hahah. good to hear :) |
| 03:22:52 | perldiver | its a great sounding player, yes, but somehow i prefer gigabeat |
| 03:23:03 | w0lfie | i have heard that from a few people about them being really awesome sounding |
| 03:23:13 | jhMikeS | I'd put Gigabeat a close 2nd to the x5 |
| 03:23:23 | w0lfie | i was originally going to buy a gigabeat f20 but everywhere had sold out |
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| 03:24:37 | w0lfie | i do like the idea of the pad instead of joystick but oh well |
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| 03:27:05 | perldiver | gigabeat was never an easy player to find in stores |
| 03:27:16 | perldiver | but plenty of them on ebay |
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| 03:27:42 | jhMikeS | w0lfie: well, that joystick might get you. I'm not the only one around here that had it break. |
| 03:28:15 | jhMikeS | so if you send it in for that they might trash your battery when you sent it to them second time cause they broke the usb controller :P |
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| 03:31:35 | w0lfie | haha wow, it sounds like you got properly fucked around :) |
| 03:32:46 | jhMikeS | you bet...one thing, check the serial number as read by rockbox. write it down, and save it. I wish I had implemented that before sending it to them. |
| 03:33:36 | jhMikeS | It's under System|Debug|HW Info |
| 03:33:41 | | Part JavaMan22 |
| 03:34:22 | jhMikeS | let's just say I might have been able to cause them major legal trouble if I had that number |
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| 03:35:21 | perldiver | theres no serial number on the player itself? |
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| 03:40:35 | jhMikeS | irrelevant. it reads the chip on the main board...which they told me they replaced but the joystick still isn't quite right. |
| 03:41:12 | perldiver | ah i see |
| 03:41:20 | jhMikeS | ...so if I had that number before sending it in, I could have verified their claim...if it were the same then bam :) |
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| 03:50:30 | * | jhMikeS wants to know why he can't find a menu key in the ipod-color sim for jpeg viewer |
| 03:53:31 | JdGordon | hold swicth iirc... |
| 03:54:19 | jhMikeS | that just seems to toggle the hold button :P |
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| 04:09:09 | ablaze` | hi folks |
| 04:09:32 | ablaze` | i would like to hear the sansa e200 while i hear some mp3s |
| 04:09:39 | ablaze` | how can i do that ? |
| 04:10:08 | ablaze` | while it charges |
| 04:10:14 | ablaze` | sry for my english |
| 04:10:14 | ablaze` | ^^ |
| 04:10:33 | ablaze` | lol |
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| 04:11:43 | jhMikeS | argh...the menu there is a combo...:p |
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| 04:14:42 | ablaze` | yeah |
| 04:14:46 | ablaze` | but which combo? |
| 04:14:47 | ablaze` | ^^ |
| 04:15:14 | ablaze` | nobody else have a sansa in here? |
| 04:15:27 | ablaze` | sry, i hope thiis is the right englich |
| 04:15:28 | Soap | I'd like to believe they would have mapped the top button to be the one you hold while inserting the cable |
| 04:15:30 | ablaze` | x_X |
| 04:15:31 | jhMikeS | 5+.=select+menu |
| 04:15:43 | Soap | when I say the top button, I mean the one in the 12 o'clock position. |
| 04:15:53 | Soap | regardless, should be in the menu. |
| 04:16:13 | Soap | s/menu/manual |
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| 04:16:34 | JdGordon | ablaze`: are you talking about talking menus? |
| 04:16:35 | ablaze` | >|| << this one? :D |
| 04:16:54 | ablaze` | i just want to hear some music while the sansa charges |
| 04:17:45 | JdGordon | hold the record button (or power) while u plug the usb cable in.... I tihnk |
| 04:18:15 | ablaze` | yes i know, but this doesnt work |
| 04:18:26 | ablaze` | anymore... |
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| 04:20:57 | ablaze` | and now? :( |
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| 04:25:21 | darkshadow_ | Hey. |
| 04:26:23 | darkshadow_ | I'm having a problem after I updated to the latest firmware. For all the plugins it says "Incompatible version" and when I try to play mp3's, it says codec failure. |
| 04:26:46 | darkshadow_ | I went to the archives to find an older version, but that did the same thing. |
| 04:26:53 | darkshadow_ | I have an H120, by the way. |
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| 04:28:04 | JdGordon | you need to unzip the whoel file |
| 04:28:10 | JdGordon | not just the rockbox. file |
| 04:28:26 | darkshadow_ | Ahh... |
| 04:28:29 | Soap | aren't the new versions /just/ a .rockbox folder? |
| 04:28:47 | Soap | with the rockbox.iriver file inside the directory? |
| 04:29:09 | darkshadow_ | I noticed that it was just one file in the zip now, but didn't think of that. |
| 04:30:16 | darkshadow_ | So I should just copy rockbox.iriver from the .rockbox folder into the main folder on my player? |
| 04:31:05 | Soap | nah, you should delete the rockbox.iriver file from the root of your player. |
| 04:31:19 | Soap | and tell me if that fixes your problems. |
| 04:31:25 | darkshadow_ | ah, okay. |
| 04:32:47 | darkshadow_ | Now rockbox is gone. ;) |
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| 04:36:44 | Soap | there isn't a rockbox.ipod file inside your .rockbox directory? |
| 04:37:47 | darkshadow_ | Not in this build. I have iriver. |
| 04:38:06 | Soap | I honestly ment .iriver |
| 04:38:32 | darkshadow_ | ah. |
| 04:39:44 | darkshadow_ | Yeah, there is. |
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| 04:42:15 | darkshadow_ | Is there a document or something about the change not to include rockbox.iriver in the main zip file? |
| 04:44:26 | Soap | it IS included, it is just in the .rockbox folder now. |
| 04:44:29 | Soap | for neatness. |
| 04:44:51 | darkshadow_ | ah |
| 04:45:15 | darkshadow_ | So now you just have to take it out of the folder and put it in the root? |
| 04:46:04 | Soap | no, it should be fine where it is. |
| 04:46:11 | Soap | your bootloader should find it there. |
| 04:46:41 | darkshadow_ | Do I have to update the bootloader or anything? |
| 04:47:54 | BigMac | Soap: I thought the bootloader background was black with white text, mine seems to be the old one with pale blue and black text |
| 04:48:11 | Soap | on your ipod? |
| 04:49:26 | BigMac | Soap: On my gigabeat |
| 04:50:06 | Soap | I don't know if, nor why, the bootloaders between targets would change colour schemes at similar times. |
| 04:50:23 | Soap | My gigabeat is black on blue, but it's not the latest one I know that. |
| 04:54:08 | Llorea1 | The Gigabeat bootloader is still black on blue, yes. |
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| 04:54:46 | jhMikeS | oy, can't seem to control the mpeg player at all on gigabeat...I wonder if it's because I plugged the phones while playing...no sound and no keys |
| 04:55:37 | Llorean | jhMikeS: If you have the "pause on earphones removal" option enabled, it seems to crash it yes |
| 04:55:51 | Llorean | Or at least so I hear. |
| 04:55:53 | jhMikeS | I might |
| 04:56:20 | jhMikeS | it's also running slow as a result so it appears threads are hanged |
| 04:56:24 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 04:56:30 | Llorean | That's the most common "crash" |
| 04:57:08 | jhMikeS | that's gotta be fixed...too nasty. all I wanted to do was whip up some ARM code for it :P |
| 04:57:42 | jhMikeS | will it quit when the movie is finished or do I have to reset my clock AGAIN? :) |
| 04:58:38 | Llorean | Um |
| 04:58:39 | Llorean | It varies |
| 04:58:47 | Llorean | If your MPEG stream has the right ending, it'll quit. |
| 04:58:59 | Llorean | When it quits, there's a SMALL chance the video thread will hang. |
| 04:59:34 | Llorean | My videos don't end, when the file finished playing it continues playing data from the previous run through the buffer. |
| 04:59:41 | Soap | Llorean: and ffmpeg isn't writing the eof? |
| 04:59:49 | Llorean | Soap: Well, that *might* not be the problem |
| 04:59:58 | Llorean | Everything else I have plays the files fine, and stops at the end. |
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| 05:00:10 | Soap | ditto |
| 05:00:10 | Llorean | Linuxstb gave me a "the problem might be..." response. |
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| 05:03:33 | toffe82 | jhMikeS: the other day you were talking about the lcd of the gigabeat, you gave access to a microscope, I can send you a broken lcd if you want |
| 05:03:43 | jhMikeS | XavierGr: Of course...I'll probably just pinch some of the DSP code I did. Also, the yuv stuff is emac already |
| 05:04:14 | toffe82 | have access ^^ |
| 05:04:45 | jhMikeS | toffe82: We can see the die itself? If so, it might have something there, or else I might need something harsher to remove and covering. |
| 05:05:19 | * | Soap is curious what a microscope can tell you about a LCD... |
| 05:05:35 | toffe82 | there is a black bar one mm large by 2cm long more or less, the chip must be under |
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| 05:05:58 | toffe82 | I didnt try to take off this part |
| 05:05:59 | jhMikeS | If the chip die is exposed or exposeable, there's usually microscopic lettering on them. |
| 05:06:25 | jhMikeS | If we can do that...perhaps a circuit diagram for that :P |
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| 05:08:00 | EnR_N | Why is the menu styling different from the photo in the video ipod |
| 05:08:02 | jhMikeS | In many instances, I think it's nitric acid that can remove any plastic cover and leave the silicon untouched |
| 05:08:27 | toffe82 | jhMikeS: the mark I see on one side are : 64A-R12 m0220 |
| 05:08:57 | toffe82 | and another one FH2185T |
| 05:09:27 | toffe82 | I think tht the black part is a radiator, I will try to take it off but not time now |
| 05:09:36 | Llorean | EnR_N: It's possible the Manual is out of date. |
| 05:09:44 | EnR_N | It seems the in the systems settings there is no longer a "start screen" option, so it starts in the file browser −− meaning i cannot access the database/recording/resume playback options |
| 05:10:03 | Llorean | EnR_N: No, that's not the case. |
| 05:10:06 | jhMikeS | I'd still like a microscope on the die to see what's printed there...gotta be possible |
| 05:10:09 | Llorean | EnR_N: Are you using an official build? |
| 05:10:24 | EnR_N | Yes- the latest |
| 05:10:29 | toffe82 | jhMikeS: but I think I will not see more the last inscription is on the opposite side of the first one , I see it by transparence and it is reverse |
| 05:10:32 | EnR_N | downloaded last thursday |
| 05:10:54 | EnR_N | the main menu is the same as the one displayed in the manual |
| 05:10:59 | Llorean | EnR_N: The "latest" should never be said about a build unless it was downloaded in the last 5 minutes. |
| 05:11:03 | toffe82 | jhMikeS: I can send it to you |
| 05:11:14 | toffe82 | lunch time, see you later |
| 05:11:16 | Llorean | EnR_N: What gave you the impression that there have been no updates since thursday? |
| 05:11:20 | EnR_N | well ... I saw no updates in the news ^_^ though thats good to know |
| 05:11:30 | Llorean | EnR_N: Look at the changelog on the front page of the site. |
| 05:11:41 | jhMikeS | toffe82: yeah, I'll take my time on disassembly and see what I can get...wanna be careful to not destroy info |
| 05:12:10 | w0lfie | has anyone managed to natively build the tools needed to compile rockbox on FreeBSD 6.2-R? the m68k tools won't compile for me |
| 05:12:10 | EnR_N | !~~mmm so active |
| 05:12:11 | * | jhMikeS sees the movie just looping around still |
| 05:12:24 | jhMikeS | ...argh...battery switch |
| 05:13:09 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Maybe you could get it to stop at the EOF, independent of the stream itself? :-P |
| 05:14:02 | jhMikeS | I'm guessing playback is receiving messages at a time when it should not have any interaction. |
| 05:14:15 | EnR_N | Llorean: do you know which files the settings for the root menu at startup lie in? |
| 05:14:54 | Soap | bascule should write a wikipage on Tagcache/database. Do a brain-dump. He seems quite good with it. |
| 05:15:14 | XavierGr | jhMikeS, toffe: what are you trying to find? |
| 05:15:24 | Llorean | EnR_N: I still have the Settings->General Settings->System->Start Screen option. |
| 05:15:47 | jhMikeS | XavierGr: info on the lcd controller for gigabeat |
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| 05:16:11 | Llorean | Soap: Definitely. At least he was willing to put together some improvements to the default tagnavi. |
| 05:16:46 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: what's the exact reason for that? it seems that it is working currently (forgive my ignorance) |
| 05:16:54 | Soap | I wouldn't mind playing around with tagcache on my Nano (I have mostly single tracks on it) and he seems to know more than I can find in the documentation on pratical usage. |
| 05:17:21 | jhMikeS | XavierGr: a) maybe it's really a documented part? b) we want to control everything about it; better driver |
| 05:17:46 | Soap | the idea of better gigabeat performance is scary. |
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| 05:18:04 | Llorean | I would love if that 25 updates per second thing were actually changeable though |
| 05:18:19 | EnR_N | My main menu is recent bookmarks, general-sound- and manage settings, recording, playlist options, plugins and info |
| 05:18:21 | darkshadow_ | By the way, what do you guys use for unzipping? |
| 05:18:26 | darkshadow_ | The windows XP archive tool seems to work, but it's quite slow. |
| 05:18:28 | EnR_N | it says Rockbox main menu on top |
| 05:18:29 | jhMikeS | my fingers |
| 05:18:31 | Soap | how does it do 29.97/30 FPS video is the LCD only does 25? |
| 05:18:40 | EnR_N | I can't even access the screen with "general" on it |
| 05:18:43 | Soap | darkless: 7zip is free and excellent. |
| 05:18:51 | EnR_N | (unlike my photo) |
| 05:19:20 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: I thought b) was done |
| 05:19:20 | jhMikeS | some frames won't be seen? |
| 05:19:36 | jhMikeS | it's hardly complete |
| 05:20:13 | Llorean | EnR_N: It sounds like you have an outdated build, it really does. Update to the newest OFFICIAL build. |
| 05:20:21 | EnR_N | O . K |
| 05:20:22 | Soap | do they get dropped gracefully, or randomly lost? |
| 05:20:31 | Llorean | Randomly lost. |
| 05:20:36 | Llorean | As far as I can tell |
| 05:21:01 | Soap | didn't pacbox on gigabeat just get changed to 30fps? |
| 05:21:05 | Llorean | mpegplayer sends them to a framebuffer or something, which the LCD controller automatically updates to the screen 25 times per second, I hear. |
| 05:21:34 | jhMikeS | the display is interlaced |
| 05:21:37 | Soap | just curious why that would be commited when the screen can't keep up. |
| 05:21:44 | EnR_N | Oh btw- is Senab's COP build any better? |
| 05:22:00 | Soap | EnR_N: senab's builds are over 6 weeks out of date. |
| 05:22:07 | jhMikeS | I think it's 50 fields per second actually |
| 05:22:11 | Llorean | EnR_N: COP support is in the official build, if you're using a "COP" build it could be quite outdated. |
| 05:22:12 | Soap | six very important weeks. |
| 05:22:31 | EnR_N | Yes yes, it is >? |
| 05:22:35 | Soap | 2007-02-09 vs 2007-04-01 |
| 05:23:09 | Soap | if you _must_ go unsupported, at least go with evilG's |
| 05:23:23 | Soap | but even his stuff is almost a week old. |
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| 05:25:07 | Darkshadow | Okay, all is well and in working order now, thanks for your help. :) |
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| 05:27:06 | H10_007quick | A version 3 is being released?! |
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| 05:29:33 | Soap | it's running a few hours behind. The flurry of activity around the Nano 2nd generation release is clogging the build servers. |
| 05:30:13 | H10_007quick | Why is there no anouncements on the front page? |
| 05:30:30 | JdGordon | the relevant person isnt awake yet |
| 05:30:45 | H10_007quick | No one else can do it? |
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| 05:31:17 | H10_007quick | Or have the files still not been put into svn yet? |
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| 05:32:28 | EnR_N | Yeah . Im using the one downloaded on 3/29 |
| 05:32:30 | EnR_N | LoL I actually feel safer using official builds ^_^ |
| 05:32:32 | EnR_N | except the one for photo - nofreqscaling is the only one working on me photo |
| 05:32:33 | _Amblin | Whoa! |
| 05:32:39 | _Amblin | Zune supported? |
| 05:32:45 | _Amblin | oh |
| 05:32:46 | _Amblin | heh |
| 05:32:47 | _Amblin | read |
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| 05:35:28 | Darkshadow | Hmm, I'm having another problem too. :P |
| 05:35:39 | Darkshadow | For some reason the formatting on DancingPuffDuo is messed up for me. |
| 05:36:10 | Darkshadow | The battery meter on the bottom is on a line by itself, and elements are pushed up, making a lot of things overlap. |
| 05:36:16 | Llorean | Darkshadow: Usually the cause of this is that it used to use the Chicago12 font which isn't used any more |
| 05:36:20 | Llorean | Try picking another font. |
| 05:36:34 | EnR_N | Llorean- is the bootloader link in the manual the most recent? |
| 05:36:52 | EnR_N | "linked" to the most recent version |
| 05:37:27 | Llorean | EnR_N: It should be, yes |
| 05:38:42 | Darkshadow | Okay. |
| 05:40:07 | scorche | =) |
| 05:40:08 | Darkshadow | Ah, thanks. |
| 05:41:21 | H10_007quick | Llorean: whats this about version 3! being realesed? |
| 05:41:45 | H10_007quick | Llorean: is there going to be a feature freeze? |
| 05:42:02 | * | JdGordon thinks Llorean might just kill scorche :D |
| 05:42:07 | scorche | hehe |
| 05:42:16 | H10_007quick | lol |
| 05:42:16 | Llorean | H10_007quick: Yes, we've just gotten a LOT of code from the Zunelinux guys |
| 05:42:25 | Llorean | Aside the freeze it'll give us plenty of time to incorporate their changes. |
| 05:42:47 | H10_007quick | ah ok. |
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| 05:52:05 | Topic | "Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines | Everyone be sure to welcome the Zune (be sure to thank the ZuneLinux project) to the list of supported targets! | Finally! Version 3.0 released! | Doom and all other game plugins removed to focus on core functionality: Patches in the tracker will be rejected and removed." by scorche (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 05:52:31 | Mode | "#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 05:56:27 | Darkshadow | So Version 3 is in on the site now? |
| 05:57:00 | scorche | Darkshadow: look a few lines up |
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| 05:57:35 | Soap | <Soap> it's running a few hours behind. The flurry of activity around the Nano 2nd generation release is clogging the build servers. |
| 05:57:52 | Darkshadow | okay. :P |
| 05:58:14 | Darkshadow | haha, and thank you all for answering the stupid questions. ;) |
| 05:58:52 | Soap | 7zip do it for you? |
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| 06:00:01 | Darkshadow | whoa yeah. |
| 06:00:10 | Darkshadow | I just tried it like a second ago. |
| 06:00:30 | Darkshadow | It is roughly 500 times faster than xp's unzip program. ;) |
| 06:00:35 | Darkshadow | Thanks. |
| 06:01:06 | Soap | and it does RAR and others very well. |
| 06:01:34 | Darkshadow | Good deal. |
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| 06:09:20 | Darkshadow | Well I'll be on my way now. :) |
| 06:09:38 | Darkshadow | Thanks for all the help again! |
| 06:11:06 | billytwowilly | hey, how's the sansa development going? |
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| 06:12:10 | Soap | on the back burner now that the Nano 2nd generation is up and running. |
| 06:12:23 | billytwowilly | lame. |
| 06:12:30 | billytwowilly | the sansa is better. |
| 06:12:37 | Llorean | Not technically. |
| 06:12:52 | billytwowilly | heh. |
| 06:13:06 | Soap | It has FM, I got a DAP because there is nothing on FM except NPR (in the states) |
| 06:13:06 | billytwowilly | bigger screen + radio = the win |
| 06:13:24 | billytwowilly | primarily the bigger screen. |
| 06:13:27 | Llorean | Bah |
| 06:13:32 | Llorean | You don't need a bigger screen for music. |
| 06:13:56 | billytwowilly | it's nice when you sit down and use it. |
| 06:13:59 | Llorean | But a faster processor for wider format support and better battery life, those are useful. |
| 06:14:14 | Soap | not to mention 1/2 the thickness. |
| 06:14:21 | Soap | 1/3rd almost. |
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| 06:14:35 | billytwowilly | thickness at that level isn't that big a deal. |
| 06:14:36 | scorche | Soap: i changed the topic...now shush |
| 06:14:50 | billytwowilly | so how is the nano 2g support then? |
| 06:15:08 | Llorean | Oh, I suspect the Nano2g will be interesting for a little over 24 hours, before something else comes along. |
| 06:15:18 | Llorean | But for everyone who has the sample code right now, it's quite fun. |
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| 06:15:56 | scorche | yeah...it was my fault...i wasnt supposed to let people know that our private code has been running on that device for a while |
| 06:16:05 | scorche | so i corrected our topic |
| 06:16:20 | scorche | so please dont mention it ;) |
| 06:17:09 | billytwowilly | heh, so it's working, but you aren't telling anyone?;) |
| 06:17:20 | scorche | it has been working for about a month now |
| 06:17:27 | billytwowilly | release it already;) |
| 06:17:53 | scorche | we just released version 3 and the zune...give us some time! |
| 06:18:05 | scorche | (and we just want the code to ourselves ;) |
| 06:18:06 | billytwowilly | hehe no rest for the wicked;) |
| 06:18:33 | Soap | someone might steal credit. |
| 06:18:48 | billytwowilly | man, I'm watching this documentary called "Who controls the children (Schools dumb down kids deliberately)" and it's making me feel sorry for American children. |
| 06:19:29 | scorche | billytwowilly: please read the link in the topic |
| 06:20:35 | billytwowilly | *sigh* |
| 06:20:48 | Galois | you know, given the reliability of all the other stuff in the topic, ... |
| 06:21:49 | Soap | billytwowilly: there is #rockbox-community for a reason. |
| 06:21:58 | Soap | (I forget what the reason is sometimes) |
| 06:22:59 | scorche | Soap: to just sit there and look pretty? |
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| 06:38:56 | Soap | it is serving that role well. |
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| 07:06:58 | _Amblin | Anyone have an e200 that uses mpegplugin? |
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| 07:07:21 | Llorean | _Amblin: You mean mpegplayer I assume? |
| 07:07:39 | _Amblin | Ah, hey Llorean. |
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| 07:08:21 | _Amblin | When playing a video using mpegplayer, do you get a static type noise in the audio? |
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| 07:08:32 | Llorean | The Sansa has audio problems still, yes. |
| 07:08:39 | _Amblin | Ok. |
| 07:09:11 | _Amblin | A/V sync works perfectly now.:) |
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| 07:09:59 | ace214ismad | god damn |
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| 07:10:33 | ace214ismad | So I don't know if someone's already on this but I'm getting one big compiling error from the svn build |
| 07:10:58 | ace214ismad | ence to `__compound_literal.4' |
| 07:11:01 | ace214ismad | ence to `__compound_literal.4' |
| 07:11:12 | Llorean | ace214ismad: One, please don't randomly curse. |
| 07:11:30 | scorche | two, that is from an outdated arm-elf-gcc |
| 07:11:31 | Llorean | ace214ismad: As you can see the build servers on the build table don't show this error, suggesting something is wrong with your setup. What target are you compiling for? |
| 07:11:32 | ace214ismad | Sorry, FF wouldnt let me in |
| 07:11:55 | ace214ismad | Ah, excellent. ok |
| 07:11:56 | ace214ismad | thanks |
| 07:12:30 | scorche | all rockbox developing environments were updated quite a bit ago |
| 07:13:20 | ace214ismad | Ok. Havent compiled in a long time |
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| 07:21:06 | perldiver | so, with vmware, do i need to do svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox everytime i power it on? |
| 07:21:16 | Llorean | No |
| 07:22:10 | perldiver | hmm |
| 07:22:40 | perldiver | how does it "remember" me then if use "user/rockbox" then? |
| 07:22:53 | Llorean | I don't understand exactly what you're asking. |
| 07:23:00 | scorche | it is just like a regular filesystem |
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| 07:26:08 | Soap | scorche: you were asking about vmware packages you should add. |
| 07:26:12 | Soap | (the other night0 |
| 07:26:14 | Soap | ) |
| 07:26:19 | Soap | do you have ccache on there? |
| 07:26:33 | scorche | i would have to check |
| 07:27:24 | perldiver | so it does store files locally? |
| 07:27:29 | ace214ismad | Thanks for the help. Updating fixed it. |
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| 07:27:52 | scorche | perldiver: in that 2gig image, yes |
| 07:28:24 | perldiver | got it |
| 07:30:47 | Llorean | Soap: I'm pretty sure it does, yes. |
| 07:31:08 | perldiver | so im guessing typing //debian from the "run" menu will access it? |
| 07:31:25 | perldiver | (sorry guys came back from the night out, trying to figure it out heh) |
| 07:31:48 | perldiver | \\debian* |
| 07:32:08 | scorche | perldiver: if you are running the image and samba is working properly, yes |
| 07:32:09 | perldiver | decided to dump cygwin finally |
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| 08:04:32 | RoC_MM | ha! |
| 08:07:29 | * | JdGordon is booorreedd |
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| 08:12:15 | iwantanimac | rofl |
| 08:12:20 | iwantanimac | nice topic. |
| 08:12:49 | iwantanimac | umm.. onto serious matters... where would i find the .bmps for the rockbox logo for each target? |
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| 08:13:33 | JdGordon | apps/bitmaps/ |
| 08:13:59 | iwantanimac | ah. /apps/ is a tad misleading =/ |
| 08:14:41 | JdGordon | yes... everything thats not firmware/hardware drivers goes in apps |
| 08:15:03 | Llorean | Well the bitmaps are the bitmaps used by the "application" level. |
| 08:15:08 | iwantanimac | well maybe "resources" would've been better. |
| 08:15:23 | Llorean | Resources wouldn't make any sense for most of the rest of the data in /apps/ |
| 08:19:49 | JdGordon | Llorean: do you know why the custom margins patch isnt in svn? |
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| 08:23:04 | Llorean | JdGordon: The one that would be completely unnecessary once viewports is done, so it would have to be removed again? |
| 08:25:15 | JdGordon | thats the one :) |
| 08:26:03 | Llorean | I think part of the idea is that we don't need to be maintaining code we know in advance we don't intend to keep. :-P |
| 08:26:17 | Llorean | Though I do think there was at least some goodwill toward it, if I remember the conversation properly. |
| 08:26:22 | JdGordon | yeah, na, I forgot about viewports before asking... |
| 08:26:54 | * | JdGordon is going to do them in the semester holidays (june) if amiconnhasnt done them by then :p |
| 08:27:04 | Llorean | Heh |
| 08:29:05 | * | Mouser_X is looking forward to viewports. |
| 08:29:16 | Mouser_X | That is, if they're what I recall them being. |
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| 08:41:24 | * | Llorean pities the MyGigabeat forums. |
| 08:42:14 | Llorean | I see spam messages from the same account over a three day period. |
| 08:49:17 | perldiver | oh well, vmware is fast :P |
| 08:50:43 | Mouser_X | So you got it working? |
| 08:50:59 | Mouser_X | perldiver: If so, mind explaining how to add patches? |
| 08:51:14 | Mouser_X | I've got it on my PC, but I haven't figured out how to add patches. |
| 08:51:33 | Mouser_X | Also, it runs like a pregnant snail on my machine. |
| 08:51:46 | Mouser_X | I'm sure there's a way to fix that, but I don't know what it is. |
| 08:53:51 | JdGordon | get a faster machine.... |
| 08:54:18 | Mouser_X | CPU Speed: 1.99 GHz |
| 08:54:28 | Mouser_X | I would have thought that'd be enough. |
| 08:54:57 | JdGordon | how much ram you got? |
| 08:55:43 | Mouser_X | RAM: Used: 426/512MB |
| 08:55:48 | Mouser_X | Page File: Used: 680/995MB |
| 08:56:46 | JdGordon | should be fine for vmware... |
| 08:57:01 | perldiver | Mouser_X well, you just put patches into rockbox folder and...add them? |
| 08:57:12 | perldiver | i mean at what stage you're having problems? |
| 08:57:39 | Mouser_X | I don't know how to add them. |
| 08:57:57 | Llorean | Mouser_X: Have you read any of the guides? |
| 08:58:12 | Mouser_X | I read the compiling guide. |
| 08:58:23 | Mouser_X | In the Wiki. |
| 08:58:36 | Mouser_X | If it said how to do it in VMware, I didn't see it, or didn't understand it. |
| 08:59:08 | JdGordon | its all the same... once you have vmware running.... |
| 08:59:14 | Llorean | It's the same as in cygwin. |
| 08:59:29 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
| 08:59:41 | Mouser_X | I'll have to see if I have the patience to run VMware again. |
| 08:59:57 | Llorean | If VMWare has issues with your system, use cygwin |
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| 09:00:10 | Mouser_X | I've heard that it might go faster if I cut back on the RAM it uses. |
| 09:00:16 | Mouser_X | Though, I have no idea how to do that. |
| 09:00:16 | Llorean | The big vmware advantage is speed, and if you've got a system that won't run it quickly for whatever reason, there's not much reason to try to use it. |
| 09:00:27 | perldiver | whats the different between suspend and power off? |
| 09:00:32 | perldiver | (on exit) |
| 09:01:57 | perldiver | difference* |
| 09:02:40 | Llorean | perldiver: Power Off simulates actually shutting down the virtual computer |
| 09:02:47 | Mouser_X | As I recall, one "turns it off" such that it'll have to reboot when you start it up again, and the other only puts it in hibernation, so to say. |
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| 09:02:51 | Llorean | Suspend basically just remembers its state when you quit the program, and returns you to it. |
| 09:02:57 | Llorean | It's not even hibernation. |
| 09:03:19 | Mouser_X | Well, my understanding of hibernation isn't that great. |
| 09:03:19 | Llorean | I'd actually suggest Power Off. Samba is much more reliable when you've powered up fresh, than after a suspend. |
| 09:03:36 | Mouser_X | I've never used hibernation anyway. |
| 09:03:59 | Mouser_X | (I don't even know if I own a system that does that.) |
| 09:04:01 | perldiver | i mean are there any disadvantages in putting in into suspend more (cause obviously its much better than to power it off)? |
| 09:04:14 | perldiver | Llorean ah |
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| 09:04:15 | Llorean | perldiver: I just explained why I recommend Power Off. |
| 09:04:17 | Llorean | :-P |
| 09:04:35 | Llorean | Suspend is generally fine, but there are occasions where Samba won't work after a suspend, and it's quite frustrating. |
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| 09:06:45 | perldiver | takes less than 4 minutes to compile, very nice |
| 09:08:20 | Mouser_X | Lucky... |
| 09:08:30 | Mouser_X | It takes that long just to get it useable. |
| 09:09:39 | perldiver | Llorean do the resident vmware memory processes take any resources whatsoever? |
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| 09:10:14 | Llorean | perldiver: Um, I'm not quite sure what you mean. VMWare isn't "free", there's definitely overhead from running it, of course. |
| 09:10:54 | perldiver | i mean after quitting it |
| 09:11:15 | Llorean | Yeah, they use a little memory |
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| 09:13:02 | scorche | Mouser_X: have you installed vmware tools? |
| 09:14:10 | iwantanimac | hi all. about the boot/credits logo, how practical (In a programming sense) would it be to allow it to use an external bitmap? |
| 09:14:46 | Llorean | iwantanimac: Relatively easy. |
| 09:14:47 | JdGordon | easy |
| 09:14:50 | Mouser_X | scorche: I thought I did, but I don't know. |
| 09:15:06 | JdGordon | ... will patches be accepted for it?... pro ably not |
| 09:15:17 | scorche | Mouser_X: well, if you havent, that can cause vmware to appear to run very poorly on your system |
| 09:15:20 | Llorean | The plan, I believe, is to scrap the "bootsplash" in the Gigabeat bootloader, make it not refresh the screen (speeding it up, and making it subtler), and making the Rockbox bootlogo load a .bmp |
| 09:15:25 | Llorean | JdGordon: Yes, they will. |
| 09:15:27 | Mouser_X | scorche: Is that the thing that allows me to cut+paste pretty easily? |
| 09:15:33 | scorche | yes |
| 09:15:36 | iwantanimac | as in into SVN? |
| 09:15:38 | Mouser_X | Then yes. |
| 09:15:49 | Mouser_X | I don't recall noticing a difference. |
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| 09:15:56 | JdGordon | Llorean: wha? since when? |
| 09:16:02 | Llorean | JdGordon: Making the boot logo be loaded from a .bmp instead of being compiled in is actually mostly positively looked upon. |
| 09:16:17 | Llorean | For one thing, it removes it from the binary, and bitmap loading is already in core anyway, right? |
| 09:16:25 | JdGordon | oh... I thought he meant loading from a file during boot... |
| 09:16:32 | Llorean | No, not in the bootloader. |
| 09:16:37 | Llorean | That first "Rockbox" logo in-rockbox |
| 09:16:44 | Llorean | On the Version screen. |
| 09:16:52 | iwantanimac | yeah. that one. |
| 09:19:38 | Llorean | Of course clearly we shouldn't do that now, it'd obsolete the Logo Swapper program. |
| 09:19:47 | BHSPitMonkey | so rockbox developers aren't feeling mean today, eh? |
| 09:19:48 | BHSPitMonkey | :) |
| 09:19:59 | iwantanimac | which is what i was looking at anyway... logo swapper doesn't work for me. |
| 09:20:20 | Llorean | iwantanimac: Suggest to its writer that they should just submit a patch for proper themeable logo then. |
| 09:20:20 | BHSPitMonkey | no false reports of being shut down by Apple or PortalPlayer or Archos? |
| 09:20:37 | iwantanimac | it spits out different errors every time, and besides, it's complicated. |
| 09:20:43 | Llorean | BHSPitMonkey: Nah, but maybe Toshiba has their eyes on us. |
| 09:20:45 | scorche | BHSPitLappy: see topic |
| 09:20:53 | scorche | bah...whatever |
| 09:20:55 | Mouser_X | I was about to PM that. |
| 09:21:02 | iwantanimac | i think ill try writing a patch... |
| 09:21:05 | BHSPitMonkey | scorche, ah |
| 09:21:23 | * | Mouser_X wishes he had a Zune... |
| 09:21:24 | Mouser_X | :P |
| 09:21:32 | BHSPitMonkey | Eww. |
| 09:21:40 | Mouser_X | Too bad I spent all my money on the LEGO Millenium Falcon. |
| 09:21:50 | * | iwantanimac wishes iPods were less clunky and had FM Radio so he would buy one. |
| 09:22:00 | Mouser_X | Just get a Gigabeat. |
| 09:22:14 | Mouser_X | No radio, sure, but it's got lots of other stuff going for it. |
| 09:22:14 | scorche | heh...ipods...clunky.. |
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| 09:22:56 | BHSPitMonkey | yeah, heh |
| 09:23:04 | amiconn | rrrr |
| 09:23:24 | scorche | amiconn: i typically make that sound when i wake up too... |
| 09:23:41 | * | amiconn hates april fool's day |
| 09:23:42 | Mouser_X | Mine is "Ahhh maaaannn..." |
| 09:23:53 | Mouser_X | Followed by "I have to go to work." |
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| 09:24:02 | scorche | amiconn: just be glad you dont have me in the house... |
| 09:24:04 | * | iwantanimac loves april fool's day. check out the GMil homepage. |
| 09:24:11 | iwantanimac | *gmail... |
| 09:25:46 | scorche | http://www.google.com/tisp/install.html |
| 09:26:29 | iwantanimac | lol |
| 09:28:42 | BHSPitMonkey | I have yet to find out what TiSP stands for, though. |
| 09:28:49 | BHSPitMonkey | T1 in Sewage Pipes? |
| 09:29:40 | Llorean | Toilet ISP |
| 09:29:50 | Llorean | It could be a variety of things |
| 09:30:00 | iwantanimac | google get so into april fools. |
| 09:30:38 | Llorean | I'm just glad it only lasts for a day. |
| 09:31:12 | iwantanimac | yeah. |
| 09:31:24 | iwantanimac | can you imagine how many people would actually fall for this stuff? |
| 09:32:07 | scorche | plenty have....check the irc logs fortoday ;) |
| 09:32:24 | iwantanimac | really? |
| 09:32:39 | iwantanimac | and they commented here? |
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| 09:33:14 | scorche | well, i am talking solely about our own celebration ;) |
| 09:33:36 | Mouser_X | Just to note: I'm quite happy with my Gigabeat. |
| 09:33:43 | Mouser_X | I don't need or want a Zune... |
| 09:33:55 | BHSPitMonkey | Way to save face. |
| 09:34:09 | Mouser_X | Check the #usf logs... |
| 09:34:17 | Mouser_X | :P |
| 09:34:56 | iwantanimac | third line of today's #rockbox log - what the...? |
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| 09:37:02 | scorche | except, the logs parser omits changes tot eh topic and such |
| 09:37:55 | iwantanimac | which is a shame. |
| 09:39:05 | iwantanimac | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page - featured article - april fools prank or fact? |
| 09:40:19 | Llorean | iwantanimac: This isn't really a channel for discussing various pranks. |
| 09:40:42 | iwantanimac | i know. sorry for getting offtopic... |
| 09:40:42 | Llorean | Also, read it and look for valid cited sources. |
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| 09:45:36 | BHSPitMonkey | fiction |
| 09:45:59 | BHSPitMonkey | revolutionary soldiers didn't have -crap-, much less instant coffee. |
| 09:46:07 | scorche | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/George_Washington_%28inventor%29 |
| 09:46:16 | scorche | and this is the last off-topic mention of it |
| 09:46:23 | scorche | no more! |
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| 09:59:06 | iwantanimac | is there separate code for the startup bitmap in credits.c as well as soemwhere else? |
| 10:00 |
| 10:07:37 | iwantanimac | where is the "rb->show_logo();" defined? |
| 10:08:00 | Bagder | find . -name "*.c" | xargs grep anythingyouwant |
| 10:08:57 | iwantanimac | anythingyouwant would be the string i'm trying to locate, yes? |
| 10:10:09 | iwantanimac | don't worry. solved my own question. |
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| 10:14:46 | iwantanimac | right found it... |
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| 10:28:54 | amiconn | markun: around now? |
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| 10:58:08 | franken | Hello, how do I keep all my preferences when updating Rockbox? |
| 10:58:53 | Llorean | If you update it the proper way, they should be preserved. |
| 10:59:34 | franken | Hm. What is the proper way then? I use cp -Ru .rockbox /mnt/x5 |
| 10:59:55 | franken | In what files are my prefernces stored? |
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| 11:00:20 | JdGordon | if you unzip the official build over the top of your current install you will not lose any personal files (includes settings) |
| 11:00:44 | franken | Sadly, I do. All settings are at default after updating |
| 11:00:58 | JdGordon | were you using a very old build before updating? |
| 11:01:05 | JdGordon | say, older than 2 months..? |
| 11:01:11 | franken | It was from November 2006 |
| 11:01:22 | JdGordon | ok, that explains it then... |
| 11:01:28 | franken | Ah I see |
| 11:01:36 | JdGordon | you can put that build back on, then save your config file manually, then update |
| 11:01:46 | JdGordon | or just not bother and redo your settings... |
| 11:01:54 | JdGordon | from now on your settings are safe though |
| 11:02:03 | Llorean | Yeah, settings were lost across the update to the new setting system if you didn't export them |
| 11:02:22 | franken | Well, I made a backup of my old /.rockbox, any way I can copy the old settings over? |
| 11:02:23 | JdGordon | you can go back and save them, if you still have the old build |
| 11:02:51 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:03:04 | JdGordon | menu > general settings > manage settings > "write config file" then copy that .cfg intto your new .rockbox folder and make sure its named config.cfg |
| 11:03:54 | franken | Ooh okay great, I will do that, thank you |
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| 11:21:24 | Llorean | It should mean pushed |
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| 11:35:44 | iwantanimac | umm... i'm trying to use the VMware image and fluxbox is annoying the heck outta me. It won't let me install Xfce... how do i get it to install with all the dependencies, rather than just complaining that there are dependencies? |
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| 11:42:31 | JdGordon | Llorean: thanks, thats what I thought but needed to double check |
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| 11:42:40 | JdGordon | and asking here is faster than loading ff :p |
| 11:43:02 | JdGordon | iwantanimac: apt-get xfce4-desktop ? |
| 11:43:23 | JdGordon | why would you bother with a different WM? or are you plannign on using it for more than rockbox devel? |
| 11:43:32 | iwantanimac | i was doing apt-get install xfce4 |
| 11:44:10 | iwantanimac | and yes i was planning to use it for other stuff, but i at least want to b able to use it properly. fluxbox isn't my type... |
| 11:44:56 | iwantanimac | and xfce4-desktop doesn't work either. |
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| 11:46:18 | iwantanimac | ill ask elsewhere... |
| 11:46:57 | JdGordon | apt-cache search xfce4 |
| 11:47:01 | JdGordon | or aptitude |
| 11:47:17 | iwantanimac | does aptitude work - it's installed? |
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| 11:47:33 | iwantanimac | damn... why didn't i know that... =P |
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| 12:07:01 | toni1 | linuxstb: I might have found the problem with mpegplayer on the sansa. |
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| 12:07:47 | toni1 | If I declare both audiothread_id and videothread_id as IBSS_ATTR then the sound is fine. |
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| 12:19:17 | markun | pretty difficult for me and amiconn to be online at the same these days.. |
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| 12:21:19 | linuxstb | toni1: (for the logs) Do you have any idea why that would be the case? It doesn't make any sense to me... |
| 12:25:41 | JdGordon | you guys are funny... why dont you just use the dev ml? |
| 12:25:53 | JdGordon | saves you having to read logs :p |
| 12:26:08 | markun | Nah :) |
| 12:32:19 | JdGordon | hmm... damn, no amiconn :( how am I supposed to nag him about viewports if he isnt here! |
| 12:32:41 | JdGordon | s/nag/ask quuestions (if he reads the log :p ) |
| 12:33:19 | markun | I'll just wait for him to show up again |
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| 12:35:19 | Llorean | linuxstb: Where do you do the remove_thread(videothread_id) anyway? |
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| 12:37:45 | linuxstb | Llorean: I don't - the video thread commits suicide by calling remove_thread(NULL) itself. |
| 12:37:52 | Llorean | Ah |
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| 12:38:18 | Llorean | Is that strictly safe? Isn't that the thread that's causing problems on exit sometimes? |
| 12:38:20 | linuxstb | That's what dan_a told me to do in the past - I don't know if Slasheri's changes have affected that. |
| 12:39:26 | iwantanimac | anyone know why aptitude on the VMWare image wants to uninstall everything? |
| 12:39:47 | linuxstb | Because you've told it to... (in some way). |
| 12:39:56 | JdGordon | I tihnk i remmeber someone saying that remove_thread(NULL); is fine and safe to use... |
| 12:40:02 | JdGordon | hehe.. commiting suicide :D |
| 12:40:14 | iwantanimac | linuxstb: i don't see how... |
| 12:40:30 | JdGordon | iwantanimac: possible really outdated packages or something causing dependancy issues? |
| 12:40:39 | Llorean | JdGordon: Well, the thread seems to be data aborting on iPods when it ends. So something funny is happening there. |
| 12:40:46 | Llorean | Or near when it ends |
| 12:40:51 | liquid_raven | how is rockbox on iPod Photo these days? |
| 12:41:16 | linuxstb | Llorean: That could be related to mpegplayer reading past the end of the file. |
| 12:41:37 | Llorean | linuxstb: Even on manual exits far before the end of a file? |
| 12:42:03 | iwantanimac | Aptitude says they're being removed because they're no longer used... |
| 12:42:09 | linuxstb | Err, no :) So you're getting data aborts when pressing STOP? |
| 12:42:41 | JdGordon | I _may_ have found a bug Slasheri missed :) |
| 12:42:47 | linuxstb | iwantanimac: There you go then. So what's the problem? |
| 12:42:50 | JdGordon | but the core locking mecahnism isnt enabled is it? |
| 12:42:52 | Llorean | linuxstb: Yes. |
| 12:43:10 | iwantanimac | but i don't want them to be removed.. it says it's uninstalling aptitude... which i kinda wanna keep... |
| 12:43:14 | Llorean | linuxstb: Should it be safe to try removing the thread the same way you do the audio one? |
| 12:43:20 | iwantanimac | sorry for bad english there... |
| 12:43:50 | linuxstb | iwantanimac: What did you ask aptitude to do? |
| 12:43:53 | JdGordon | Slasheri: thread.c in remove_thread()... if thread == NULL you dont call unlock_cores() before returning... isnt that bad? |
| 12:44:46 | iwantanimac | i just opened it then updated the listings, and asked it (i think) to install xfce4. |
| 12:45:01 | JdGordon | Llorean: looking at remove_thread() it does a thread switch after removing the thread (if its NULL), so its unlikely thats where your problem is.... unless something is expecting that thread to still be alive? |
| 12:45:26 | Llorean | JdGordon: The thread doesn't get removed. After you leave mpegplayer it's still visible on the OS stacks page |
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| 12:46:06 | JdGordon | ok, then there is a problem :p |
| 12:46:10 | linuxstb | Llorean: That could also be caused by the video thread not killing itself. |
| 12:46:18 | linuxstb | Which is probably more likely.... |
| 12:46:23 | Llorean | Well, either way |
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| 12:46:42 | Llorean | When you leave mpegplayer, you see a brief flash of a data abort, and there's a mpgvideo thread on the OS stacks screen |
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| 12:47:27 | JdGordon | Slasheri: also, why is thread->name = NULL; not done in remove_thread? seems a bit dangerous to me... |
| 12:47:39 | JdGordon | remove_from_list() I mean |
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| 12:51:17 | JdGordon | sleep_thread() doesnt have an unlock_cores() also? |
| 12:51:55 | * | JdGordon closes thread.c .... not gonna bother trying to figure that magic out ;p |
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| 12:58:37 | amiconn | markun? |
| 12:58:44 | markun | yes! |
| 12:58:48 | markun | :) |
| 12:58:52 | * | linuxstb cheers |
| 12:58:59 | * | Llorean wishes he had a way to get the actual address of the data abort. |
| 12:59:09 | amiconn | Hi, I have some questions regarding unicode and codepages |
| 12:59:11 | linuxstb | Llorean: Video camera? |
| 12:59:41 | amiconn | Currently, full loadable codepage support is compiled in for the player, even for codepages which don't make sense |
| 12:59:41 | markun | Llorean: I had added that to my build, but maybe I lost it when switching to svn.. |
| 12:59:48 | JdGordon | hey amiconn, were you plannig on having a "frame buffer" for each vieport? or just give each viewport a origion,width,hieght values and then the drawing code would adjust x/y values to fit in the viewport? |
| 12:59:55 | linuxstb | Llorean: Or try adding an rb->sleep(HZ*30) (30 seconds) to the end of mpegplayer.c - before it quits. |
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| 13:00:06 | amiconn | But at the same time, no loadable codepages are included in 'make zip' |
| 13:00:28 | JdGordon | Llorean: the .map file and the dissasembly :p |
| 13:00:37 | amiconn | JdGordon: No separate framebuffers, that'd be overkill (and require dynamic memory allocation which we don't have and don't want) |
| 13:00:39 | Llorean | JdGordon: No, the data abort doesn't stay on the screen. |
| 13:00:45 | Llorean | I'll try the sleep |
| 13:00:49 | linuxstb | Llorean: And remove the calls to rb->lcd_clear_display() and rb->lcd_update() as well. |
| 13:01:08 | amiconn | markun: My problem is that the loadable codepages which can be supported on the player are non-contiguous |
| 13:01:10 | JdGordon | amiconn: ok, thats what I figured :) |
| 13:01:31 | markun | amiconn: what do you mean by that? |
| 13:01:39 | amiconn | (indices 0, 1, 3, 6, 7 and 12 in the current settings) |
| 13:02:18 | JdGordon | Llorean: if your game, you could probably fiddle with the data abort code to dump the location to a file? |
| 13:02:36 | Llorean | JdGordon: If one of these easier methods doesn't work, I was thinking about it |
| 13:02:40 | amiconn | (iso 8859-1, iso8859-7, cp1251, iso8859-9, iso8859-2 and utf-9) |
| 13:02:55 | JdGordon | shouldnt a data abort stop all exectution though? how does it not stay on the screen? |
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| 13:03:14 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I assume it's because the data abort is on the COP. But you're right - it _should_ stop everything. |
| 13:03:15 | Llorean | JdGordon: It's on core (1) |
| 13:03:22 | amiconn | So I need a way to reorder them, and would like to know whether the codepage order has any special meaning other than the order in iso.cp |
| 13:04:16 | amiconn | Also, I need to find a new name for iso.cp and add a parameter to 'codepages' for selecting minimal or full support |
| 13:05:15 | amiconn | Do we want to reorder codepages for all targets, or rather introduce a new filename (e.g. isomini.cp ??) for the player? |
| 13:06:17 | Llorean | 00046148 apparently |
| 13:06:59 | markun | amiconn: hm, I have no idea |
| 13:07:48 | markun | I think you are more into the code to decide that now |
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| 13:08:07 | amiconn | hmm..... |
| 13:08:25 | Llorean | linuxstb: It looks like the data abort is happening inside remove_thread |
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| 13:13:31 | Slasheri | JdGordon: lists are linked list. When removing from list and settings thread->name = NULL would destroy the thread |
| 13:14:24 | JdGordon | isnt that whats wanted? |
| 13:14:28 | Slasheri | JdGordon: sleep_thread doesn't need unlocking, because switch_thread takes care about that |
| 13:14:55 | Slasheri | JdGordon: remove_thread should set name to null but not remove_from_list |
| 13:15:05 | Slasheri | scheduler removed and adds threads to lists all the time |
| 13:15:24 | JdGordon | ah, ok... as long as you know how it all works :D |
| 13:15:30 | Slasheri | :) |
| 13:15:52 | Llorean | Slasheri: Apparently remove_thread is having a data abort when removing the video thread. Any ideas right off the top of your head? |
| 13:16:05 | Slasheri | Llorean: checking that |
| 13:16:30 | Llorean | remove_thread is at 00046130, and the abort's at 00046148 if that helps a bit (compiled for the Nano, that is) |
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| 13:17:31 | Slasheri | Llorean: so that happens with the mpegplayer? |
| 13:17:44 | Llorean | Yes |
| 13:18:30 | Slasheri | ok, first i would try it with scheduler's locking mechanism enabled (now cop is not safe to use because those functions are disabled) |
| 13:19:34 | linuxstb | Why is the COP not safe to use? |
| 13:20:01 | Slasheri | operations are not thread safe core wise as long as the locking is disabled |
| 13:20:29 | linuxstb | What kind of operations? |
| 13:20:44 | Slasheri | all kernel function calls that needs locking (almost any of them) |
| 13:20:55 | Slasheri | such as remove_thread itself |
| 13:21:33 | Slasheri | if COP's scheduler is working with that thread the same time main CPU calls remove_thread, no wonder if it would crash.. |
| 13:22:00 | linuxstb | The main CPU isn't removing the thread, the thread is committing suicide with remove_thread(NULL). |
| 13:22:25 | Slasheri | ok, then it's not that bad |
| 13:22:48 | linuxstb | This worked fine in the past (afaik). |
| 13:22:59 | Llorean | mpegplayer has frozen when I've hit "stop" on the gigabeat too, which is single core, though no data abort message. |
| 13:23:16 | Slasheri | hmm, interesting |
| 13:23:21 | Llorean | On the gigabeat though, it's not consistent, I can't find a way to reliably reproduce it, it seems about 1 in 5 or so. |
| 13:24:02 | linuxstb | mpegplayer's threading isn't 100% reliable, but I'm waiting for the kernel to become stable before cleaning it up. |
| 13:24:20 | linuxstb | stable as in the API becoming stable. |
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| 13:27:28 | Slasheri | linuxstb: so you figured out it crashes when calling that remove_thread()? |
| 13:27:59 | linuxstb | Llorean did. |
| 13:28:11 | Slasheri | ah, how? |
| 13:28:28 | Llorean | Slasheri: It data aborts, and I looked up the address in the .map |
| 13:28:41 | linuxstb | The data abort doesn't freeze the entire system, so we're assuming the data abort is happening on the COP. And there's only one mpegplayer thread on the COP. |
| 13:29:40 | Llorean | Also, the thread is still shown on the OS Stacks page. |
| 13:30:10 | Slasheri | ah, nice |
| 13:30:12 | linuxstb | Slasheri: The code at the start of remove_thread makes no sense - "if (thread==NULL) { do something with thread->core }" .... |
| 13:30:25 | Llorean | (1) *R 4 8% mpgvideo |
| 13:30:31 | Slasheri | linuxstb: oh! indeed |
| 13:30:38 | Slasheri | linuxstb: that's a null pointer bug |
| 13:31:15 | Slasheri | linuxstb: good thing, i just noticed that now.. i was replacing too much CURRENT_CORE with thread->core |
| 13:31:53 | Slasheri | linuxstb: fixing.. that might fix some other issues too |
| 13:33:53 | Slasheri | committed a fix |
| 13:34:45 | linuxstb | Slasheri: You're still accessing thread->core later in the same function... |
| 13:34:58 | linuxstb | (and thread->name) |
| 13:35:08 | * | linuxstb re-reads the commit :) |
| 13:35:35 | Slasheri | linuxstb: but that should be safe now :) |
| 13:36:03 | linuxstb | Sorry, just a moment of blindness. |
| 13:36:07 | Slasheri | it would be great if somebody could try problematic players with the core locking mechanism enabled again |
| 13:36:10 | Slasheri | :) |
| 13:37:25 | linuxstb | Remind me how to enable it... |
| 13:37:45 | Slasheri | linuxstb: just change those two #if 0 -> 1 from thread.c |
| 13:38:32 | Llorean | Slasheri: Well, SVN code works fine with mpegplayer now on Nano |
| 13:38:37 | Slasheri | ups.. in fact i accidentally committed that change myself |
| 13:38:44 | linuxstb | Slasheri: I was about to say that... |
| 13:38:57 | Slasheri | well.. lets disabled them again if problems still occur |
| 13:39:02 | Slasheri | -d |
| 13:39:19 | Llorean | So, basically wait for the forums to flood with data abort reports again? :-P |
| 13:39:31 | Llorean | Wo we have someone with a 'problem target' around right now? |
| 13:39:53 | Slasheri | at least 4g, H10 (and probably sansa) should be those targets |
| 13:40:00 | Llorean | The sansa had problems? |
| 13:40:10 | Slasheri | IIRC, but not sure |
| 13:41:14 | linuxstb | I'm just compiling now... |
| 13:41:21 | linuxstb | (for the ipod Color/Photo) |
| 13:41:31 | Slasheri | great! =) |
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| 13:44:00 | * | JdGordon compiling for sansa... on my slow computer tho :p |
| 13:44:40 | Llorean | Well, music plays on my Sansa |
| 13:44:43 | Llorean | What am I looking for? |
| 13:44:59 | Slasheri | Llorean: it should crash right away after booting |
| 13:45:09 | Llorean | Definitely didn't do that. |
| 13:45:16 | Slasheri | at least that seems to be working then :) |
| 13:45:25 | Llorean | Assuming the Sansa was one of the problem targets, then yes |
| 13:45:32 | Llorean | Um |
| 13:45:35 | Llorean | Sound sounds GOOD on th Sansa right now |
| 13:45:38 | Llorean | Did we commit a fix for that? |
| 13:46:14 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Still freezing on my photo... |
| 13:46:29 | linuxstb | In the main menu with the disk icon on. |
| 13:46:45 | Slasheri | linuxstb: ah, need to disable that then :/ |
| 13:50:15 | RaBe42 | It do also regulary freeze while playing musik. |
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| 13:51:07 | RaBe42 | The musik still playing, but the display get no refresh in this case. |
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| 14:02:02 | JdGordon | umm.. any reason why elephants dream refuses to open with svn? |
| 14:06:00 | Llorean | JdGordon: Tried playing the file on the PC? My videos open fine at least. |
| 14:06:46 | JdGordon | It opened fine a few days ago.. , but no... |
| 14:06:47 | amiconn | hmmmmmmmm |
| 14:06:59 | * | amiconn is still undecided what to do with iso.cp :/ |
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| 14:10:06 | * | linuxstb grumpily wonders when someone will fix the #rockbox topic |
| 14:10:30 | * | Llorean doesn't have the power to change the topic. |
| 14:10:31 | JdGordon | its only just 10pm here... you guys have ages to go :p |
| 14:11:27 | * | linuxstb lives in a country that doesn't allow April Fools jokes after midday |
| 14:11:40 | Llorean | linuxstb: 7AM here. :-P |
| 14:12:13 | * | preglow lives in a country that likes to allow april fools jokes well into the 2nd of april... |
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| 14:12:46 | * | JdGordon thought of doing a dummy commit to go along with the topic... but thought it wouldnt be apreciated :p |
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| 14:18:49 | lachlan_mc | OMG WHYD U TAKE AWAY DOOOOOOM?!?!!? |
| 14:19:28 | idnar | bwahaha |
| 14:20:25 | markun | another joke I don't get? |
| 14:21:08 | lachlan_mc | The IRC topic^^ |
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| 14:22:11 | linuxstb | Llorean: Does mpegplayer fail to play a second video on your Nano? |
| 14:22:46 | Llorean | linuxstb: No, it plays. |
| 14:22:58 | cadu | hello guys, just made a battery benchmark on my gigabeat F20, where do i have to drop it so you guys can use? |
| 14:23:20 | ompaul | date today might help |
| 14:23:22 | markun | cadu: there is a wiki page, don't know the exact name |
| 14:23:28 | Llorean | linuxstb: Though I think whatever the problem that affects the gigabeat is there, because my Sansa froze immediately after exiting mpegplayer once, but then after reboot played 4 times in a row no problem |
| 14:23:59 | Llorean | But the consistent 'data abort' is gone, I believe |
| 14:25:00 | cadu | it played for 14h7m , is it okay ? |
| 14:26:06 | roolku | cadu: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatRuntime |
| 14:26:55 | cadu | roolku, how do i edit it ? |
| 14:28:37 | cadu | i just wanna send the runtime :) by the way i'm also starting to create the new portuguese-brazil translation for rockbox |
| 14:28:52 | markun | nice |
| 14:28:59 | Llorean | linuxstb: Okay, scratch that, apparently I *can't* play two videos in a row now. |
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| 14:29:23 | Llorean | I did it once after you asked, but it just gave me a black screen on the third play, and now the second play is always a black screen after rebooting. |
| 14:29:31 | roolku | cadu: use the edit link at the bottom left (if you are not registered see first paragraph here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome) |
| 14:30:21 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, that's what I get. Is that just the Nano, or the gigabeat as well? |
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| 14:30:37 | Llorean | linuxstb: Let me just update the build on my gb |
| 14:30:50 | Nico_P | wow seeing the topic I just bought a Zune on ebay :D |
| 14:31:15 | Nico_P | I can't wait to run rockbox 3.0 on it ! |
| 14:31:35 | JdGordon | hehe Nico_P :) |
| 14:32:16 | Nico_P | :) I was sad not to see an april news on the site |
| 14:32:41 | Llorean | linuxstb: 12989 runs multiple videos in a row on my sansa just fine, though |
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| 14:34:04 | linuxstb | So it works on your Sansa, but not the Nano? |
| 14:34:09 | Llorean | linuxstb: Sansa and Gigabeat both play multiple movies fine, not the Nano |
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| 14:34:53 | linuxstb | Hmm... I wonder if the video thread is actually running on the COP on the Sansa then... |
| 14:35:07 | Llorean | The video thread is doing SOMETHING funny |
| 14:35:16 | Llorean | I just plugged in USB on my gigabeat and instead of seeing a USB logo, I see a video |
| 14:35:34 | Llorean | specifically the last one I had played, in slow motion |
| 14:35:57 | linuxstb | That's been mentioned before I think... Maybe we should add a list of known bugs to the PluginMpegplayer wiki page, so we don't lose track of them all. |
| 14:36:48 | Llorean | Well, the thing was, I was in the filebrowser. |
| 14:36:54 | Llorean | Unless I bumped "right" as I plugged in the cable |
| 14:38:04 | Llorean | linuxstb: If the videothread weren't on the COP on the Sansa, wouldn't performance be considerably worse than it is? |
| 14:38:48 | linuxstb | Probably, yes. But the LCD update on the Sansa is much faster than other targets IIUC - it's a hardware blit. |
| 14:39:23 | Llorean | Ah, because I get close to the performance of my Nano on my Sansa already |
| 14:39:38 | linuxstb | So I wouldn't have expected it to be slower than the Photo, although there is the possible overhead of rotating the screen. |
| 14:39:49 | Llorean | Aaah |
| 14:40:35 | Llorean | I don't recall the video dropping a lot of frames when the audio dropped out though. Would that be expected? |
| 14:41:19 | Llorean | But then, just memory. |
| 14:41:22 | linuxstb | I'm not sure... |
| 14:41:27 | Llorean | Any way to test what core it's on? |
| 14:41:55 | Llorean | Actually... I'm trying to remember if my Sansa did the data aborts. |
| 14:44:37 | Llorean | linuxstb: With a day old build, it gets the data aborts, same as the Nano |
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| 14:46:04 | linuxstb | OK, that's expected, but doesn't prove the thread is running on the COP, just that Rockbox is compiled with dual-core support. |
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| 14:46:43 | Llorean | Yeah, but Rockbox continues operating, and OS Stacks shows the thread on (1) at least |
| 14:47:02 | Llorean | Also, now that I've put 989 back on it again, it's showing the expected "You can only play one video per boot" behaviour now. |
| 14:48:04 | Llorean | I wonder if it's similar to what causes the rare freeze-on-exit on my Gigabeat? If that freeze were on core 2, it wouldn't interfere until you tried to launch another video on the PortalPlayers. |
| 14:48:18 | Llorean | Whoops, now I played 2 videos in a row again. It's not consistent, whatever it is. |
| 14:48:34 | Llorean | 3rd video did it this time. =/ |
| 14:51:10 | Llorean | Alright, the Nano consistently fails after 1 video, the Sansa locks up after an arbitrary number, but still shows the "Shutting Down" splash when I try. |
| 14:51:19 | linuxstb | Llorean: You could try replacing "delay" in line 934 of mpegplayer.c with "PROCESSOR_ID&0xff" - that value should tell us what thread the Sansa's video thread is running on. |
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| 14:52:03 | linuxstb | (85 is the main CPU, 170 is the COP) |
| 14:52:23 | Llorean | I'm betting on the COP, but I'll give it a go. |
| 14:52:31 | linuxstb | (and enable Show FPS obviously...) |
| 14:53:11 | linuxstb | I would probably bet on COP as well, but it's confusing why it's behaving differently to the Nano (and my Photo). |
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| 14:55:13 | * | amiconn reclaimed 63KB of RAM on the player :) |
| 14:56:04 | markun | amiconn: unicode related? |
| 14:56:09 | amiconn | yes |
| 14:56:11 | markun | nice |
| 14:56:37 | amiconn | Since the player cannot support dbcs anyway, I reduced the codepage buffer size from 64KB to 1KB |
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| 14:57:10 | markun | :) |
| 14:57:31 | Llorean | linuxstb: 170 |
| 14:59:02 | linuxstb | Llorean: OK... BTW, I've just played 5 or 6 videos in succession on my Photo... |
| 14:59:18 | preglow | amiconn: dbcs? |
| 14:59:29 | amiconn | double byte character set(s) |
| 14:59:34 | preglow | ah, right |
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| 15:00:13 | preglow | yeah, i see you've put down a ton of work on the player lately |
| 15:00:21 | preglow | not my preferred target... ;) |
| 15:00:39 | Llorean | linuxstb: I'm not surprised by that, I was expecting to be able to on my Nano if I kept trying |
| 15:01:44 | Llorean | linuxstb: Really the only difference between my Sansa's behaviour and my what my Gigabeat's been doing fairly recently is that the Gigabeat freezes as you quit, and the Sansa seems to freeze when you start a file. |
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| 15:12:54 | pixelma | Nico_P: with the latest version of the tokenizer patch applied to recent svn (about 1 hour ago) my M5 hangs... tried with 2 different wps - it seems to happen when it tries to actually load the metadata, the "structure" of the wps is didplayed alright |
| 15:13:14 | pixelma | *displayed |
| 15:16:12 | XavierGr | damn it! USB OTG on my H300 broke again :( |
| 15:17:32 | pixelma | I guess it's the same reason (or at least is related) to the garbage I see for a split second in place of the tags that I got when testing on the Ondio |
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| 15:20:45 | amiconn | hmm |
| 15:21:02 | * | amiconn wonders why his commit reduced binsize for all targets ... |
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| 15:21:56 | Nico_P | pixelma: I'll heva a look |
| 15:24:23 | * | amiconn found it... |
| 15:26:05 | markun | amiconn: oops? :) |
| 15:26:11 | amiconn | Sorta |
| 15:26:30 | amiconn | Not including config.h means HAVE_LCD_BITMAP is always undefined... |
| 15:26:42 | XavierGr | I will try a little surgery on my H300 again, this time I am going to disable the overcurrent chip of ISP1362 |
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| 15:33:44 | kramdra | anyone know what source file the WPS/ui code is in? |
| 15:34:12 | Nico_P | kramdra: apps/gui/gwps.c and apps/gui/gwps.c |
| 15:34:23 | kramdra | thanks |
| 15:34:24 | Nico_P | oops |
| 15:34:33 | Nico_P | the second one is gwps-common.c |
| 15:38:03 | markun | linuxstb: I have a file which isn't in sync on the player (but fine in mplayer), do you want to have (a part of) it? |
| 15:39:07 | Nico_P | pixelma: could you try it with the latest version of the patch ? (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6862#comment14339) |
| 15:39:44 | JdGordon | amiconn: back on viewports... are you going to allow a Z-order? so we can stack them? |
| 15:39:46 | Nico_P | maybe it won't help but at least I'll be sure I'm not hunting an already corrected bug |
| 15:39:47 | Llorean | markun: Is it out of sync from the start of the file, or more out of sync over time? |
| 15:40:14 | amiconn | JdGordon: No z-order, just rectangular areas for drawing |
| 15:40:26 | amiconn | If they overlap, the result will be undefined |
| 15:40:47 | amiconn | (well, not undefined, just the viewport that draws last will win) |
| 15:40:57 | JdGordon | do you know how your planning on updating the screen? maybe a Z-order wont be so hard to implement? |
| 15:41:12 | JdGordon | I have exactly 1 idea which would need this :p |
| 15:41:40 | pixelma | Nico_P:will try but the report might follow a little later then... |
| 15:41:45 | markun | Llorean: I think it might be from the start, but it's hard to tell as there in no dialogue the first few seconds |
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| 15:42:17 | Nico_P | pixelma: no hurry... I might not be able to continue looking for long anyone |
| 15:42:23 | Nico_P | I'll check the log when I come back |
| 15:42:28 | amiconn | A z-order would be very hard to implement without separate bitmap buffers. It would require checking bounds against *all* viewports where without it the viewport only needs to check its own bounds |
| 15:42:33 | markun | Llorean: at 18 seconds into the file I hear talking and it's already out of sync |
| 15:43:20 | JdGordon | amiconn: couldnt you just update the rect of the lowest vp first? then move up the order? |
| 15:43:46 | Llorean | markun: Just to be sure, you haven't accidentally turned framerate limiting off, right? |
| 15:43:49 | amiconn | Update will just update the specified viewport |
| 15:43:55 | markun | Llorean: no, just checked |
| 15:44:11 | markun | Llorean: other files also still play fine |
| 15:44:12 | amiconn | That has nothing to do with z order |
| 15:44:33 | JdGordon | hmm.... ok |
| 15:44:38 | amiconn | Since all viewports draw to the same framebuffer, each drawing operation would need checking against all stacked viewports |
| 15:45:20 | Llorean | markun: It's too bad there's no audio to hear at the start. =/ |
| 15:45:46 | markun | Llorean: while I was experimenting I converted the original avi to mkv. mkvmerge warned me that there was garbage at the beginning and it would delay the audio to account for that. |
| 15:46:13 | markun | Maybe the mpg has an initial delay for the audio which we should take into account? |
| 15:46:30 | Llorean | mpegplayer is supposed to take into account that sort of delay, I think |
| 15:47:13 | Llorean | There have been two cases already where linuxstb has made changes for 'initial avdelay' |
| 15:47:32 | markun | well, it looks like he might make more changes :) |
| 15:47:39 | Llorean | Indeed |
| 15:47:42 | markun | I have to go now. Talk to you later. |
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| 15:53:04 | XavierGr | hmm good news is that reading the datasheet of ISP1362 chip, overcurrent protection can be disabled by software, so in the end if Rockbox ever support USBOTG my H300 will be able to work normally |
| 15:56:52 | kramdra | why does OCP need to be disabled? |
| 15:58:04 | XavierGr | my USB OTG chip is flacky or an internal connection is missoldered |
| 15:58:18 | XavierGr | send the unit 2 time in germany and they failed tofix it |
| 15:58:40 | XavierGr | then I managed to temporarily fix it by myself, but I don't know how exactly I did that :P |
| 15:59:03 | XavierGr | whenever I connect the USB OTG cable the OF displays an overcurrent warning |
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| 16:00:43 | roolku | can anyone think of a good reason why wps with many lines cause font corruption in the gigabeat sim (svn)? |
| 16:01:14 | roolku | 34 lines corrupt the 8, 35 lines also corrupts the letter O |
| 16:01:45 | roolku | no (visible) problem on target, but who knows what memory areas are affected there |
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| 16:53:48 | Lear | Man, that's quite a topic. :) One item would've been enough... |
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| 17:05:37 | idnar | the IrcGuidelines part is also a joke, right? :P |
| 17:06:47 | * | billytwowilly got crap about the irc guidelines last night, so probably not. |
| 17:08:24 | pondlife | It's gone noon here.... |
| 17:13:58 | kramdra | very basic c question, have i done this right? http://paste-it.net/1789/raw/ |
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| 17:15:10 | Lear | Nope, no "automatic" string concatenation in C. See functions like strcpy and strcat. |
| 17:15:41 | Lear | Also, mp3e is never set. |
| 17:16:52 | kramdra | would i need to copy mp3e similar to "rb = api;" |
| 17:17:09 | XavierGr | yay surgery was a success! :D |
| 17:17:37 | XavierGr | well I didn't manage to disable overcurrent protection but at least USB OTG seems to work again... |
| 17:18:09 | Lear | Ah, that kind of surgery... :) |
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| 17:20:52 | XavierGr | lear, don't tell me you thought a real surgery :P |
| 17:21:48 | Lear | Well, I usually associate the word "surgery" with the medical kind... :) |
| 17:22:03 | XavierGr | not in this channel :D |
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| 17:22:39 | XavierGr | well I am not completely satisfied with it, if I fiddle with USB OTG a lot again I think it will break again |
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| 17:23:03 | * | XavierGr can't wait for Rockbox USB OTG support and disable from software overcurrent protection |
| 17:24:37 | XavierGr | in the end I managed to clear the dirty screen too :P |
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| 17:28:30 | Doug2 | has anybody ripped apple lossless files with itunes and then used dbpoweramp to convert them to LC AAC and had them successfully play? |
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| 17:29:16 | Doug2 | i've tried this, and it seems that rockbox is failing to read the tags or play the files, even though they play fine and the tags show up fine in itunes |
| 17:29:44 | Doug2 | also, once i try to play one of these files, rockbox will not successfully play any other songs on the ipod until it is restarted |
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| 17:30:38 | Doug2 | it tries to play it and it seems it reads all of the tags successfully, but just sits at play with the time not ticking away |
| 17:30:47 | Llorean | Doug2: You'd basically need to file a bug report with a small sample file that doesn't play so someone can check it and see what's wrong with it. |
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| 17:31:54 | Doug2 | do you know of a program that will let me shorten the song to make the file smaller? |
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| 17:32:38 | Llorean | No, I don't use the Apple formats. |
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| 17:33:38 | Doug2 | ok, thanks, i'll search around and see what i can find |
| 17:34:06 | Llorean | Doug2: Before you go through the trouble, you are using an up to date build, right? |
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| 17:36:03 | Doug2 | yes, it's actually my girlfriends ipod. when i gave her the songs and they didn't work, that's the first thing that i did. updated the boot loader and the firmware last night |
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| 17:36:26 | Drak | Alright. I've probably missed it in the manual, but so far, the only option for adding more music to your player is using iTunes to add it, then updating the database. |
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| 17:36:47 | Llorean | Drakonik: What do you mean? |
| 17:37:07 | Llorean | Drakonik: You can add music to your player by any method that can move audio files from one drive to another |
| 17:37:26 | Llorean | And if you don't use something like iTunes that renames them, you have the option of filetree browsing alongside the database. |
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| 17:38:13 | Drakonik | I got that impression from talking with others, but I didnt see any..."songs" or "music" folder. I've also never found how to browse the file system. |
| 17:38:34 | Llorean | Drakonik: That option "Files" at the top of the main menu? |
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| 17:38:44 | Drakonik | Hm. |
| 17:38:51 | Llorean | Drakonik: And the only "songs" or "music" folders would be any you create yourself... |
| 17:39:14 | Llorean | That's kinda the whole point of filetree browsing... you see the filetree. |
| 17:39:14 | Drakonik | I've played with too much stuff...I think I know what you mean, though. |
| 17:39:17 | Drakonik | Yeah. |
| 17:40:08 | Llorean | I mean, just put blah.mp3 in D:\, then choose "Files" and you should see it. |
| 17:40:18 | Llorean | D:\ being whatever drive your iPod is. |
| 17:40:34 | Drakonik | I feel suitably dumber now. I'd kick myself, but I'm too sore. |
| 17:41:01 | Llorean | Eh, you get used to how annoyingly limited iTunes is, and you forget things *can* be simple. :) |
| 17:41:29 | Drakonik | Heh. |
| 17:42:05 | Drakonik | Oh. While I'm here, I didn't see any way to make the text for all the menus larger. |
| 17:42:12 | Drakonik | It looks to be 3 or 4 points. |
| 17:42:14 | Llorean | Just pick a larger font. |
| 17:42:18 | Drakonik | Hm. |
| 17:42:28 | Llorean | And it's twice that size. |
| 17:42:46 | Drakonik | Ah. Well, I'm terrible at eye-balling things. |
| 17:43:17 | Llorean | Well, I guess it depends on the pixel packing on the LCD, if you want to use "point" |
| 17:43:35 | Drakonik | Good point. |
| 17:44:00 | Drakonik | My main point is that I'm squinting like friggin crazy. |
| 17:44:43 | Llorean | Yeah, and picking a larger font will solve that |
| 17:44:46 | Drakonik | Yup. |
| 17:44:56 | Drakonik | I'll do it next time I get my hands on my ipod. |
| 17:45:08 | Drakonik | I'm done being dumb. Thanks for the help. |
| 17:45:24 | Drakonik | And I'll probably be back soon. |
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| 17:49:29 | pixelma | Nico_P: that new version of the tokenizer patch still doesn't work (still a hang on M5) |
| 17:52:54 | roolku | no (visible) problem on target, but who knows what memory areas are affected there |
| 17:52:59 | roolku | opps |
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| 18:01:12 | Xerion_ | someone should commit a nice april fools :P |
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| 18:01:40 | * | billytwowilly commits a patch that randomly inserts fart noises into songs |
| 18:03:12 | * | petur wanted to commit 'code' that enabled a hidden wifi chipset in ipods :) |
| 18:03:31 | Xerion | :D |
| 18:04:11 | * | Xerion only now notices the topic heh |
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| 18:48:05 | amiconn | grrrr |
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| 18:49:55 | sp3iel | agree ehm |
| 18:49:59 | petur | ? |
| 18:50:52 | XavierGr | amiconn: why are you roaring again? :P |
| 18:51:07 | amiconn | Crappy freenode servers... |
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| 18:52:19 | XavierGr | indeed |
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| 18:57:48 | roolku | amiconn: I found a bug where puts_scroll may be called with a y value greater than the size of the scroll[] array leading to font corruption in the WPS |
| 18:58:21 | roolku | amiconn: what do you think is the best fix seeing that the size of the array is unknown outside lcd-*.c |
| 18:58:59 | amiconn | The scroll code will change soon anyway |
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| 19:01:04 | roolku | amiconn: so maybe a hardcoded: if(i < MIN((LCD_HEIGHT+4)/5, 32)) will do for the time being? |
| 19:01:19 | roolku | amiconn: on the caller side |
| 19:01:26 | amiconn | no |
| 19:01:40 | amiconn | I'd rather think the lcd code should do it |
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| 19:02:13 | amiconn | Your check wouldn't work for charcell |
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| 19:04:19 | roolku | amiconn: okay, so at the start of the function if(y>=SCROLLABLE_LINES) return; as a workaround until viewports are here |
| 19:05:22 | andrewy | I'm about to buy an mp3 player for use with rockbox. Do you guys recommend an iriver h3x0, iaudio x5, or something else? |
| 19:06:41 | roolku | andrewy: if you don't need recording/radio/spdif get a gigabeat FX0 |
| 19:07:28 | andrewy | i don't. that has good rockbox support? |
| 19:08:38 | roolku | andrewy: I have no complaints, but it is obviously less mature thatn h3x0 |
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| 19:11:36 | sp3iel | ehm anyone have had such silly error while compiling: ld: error: no memory region specified for loadable section `.got' ; perhaps it's caused by different version of tools i use, binutils-arm 2.17-3 |
| 19:11:43 | sp3iel | ? |
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| 19:14:55 | SirFunk | hey, this is a little off topic, but does anyone know any lossless video codecs comperable to flac/wavpack/etc in the audio realm? |
| 19:19:24 | pearldiver | theres no such thing, any video in a digital form resembles some sort of a compression |
| 19:20:21 | Soap | ? |
| 19:20:27 | pearldiver | so the quality is being determined by the compression ratio |
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| 19:20:42 | SirFunk | pearldiver: even DV? |
| 19:20:43 | roolku | SirFunk: there is a windows codec that does it - forgot the name though |
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| 19:20:50 | obo | huffyuv?? |
| 19:21:10 | Soap | there are a handful of lossless video compression techniques out there. |
| 19:21:36 | roolku | obo: yes! |
| 19:21:56 | idnar | there are probably as many lossless video codecs as lossy |
| 19:22:08 | idnar | although most of them are not very well-known |
| 19:22:49 | SirFunk | a simple google search didn't come up with much |
| 19:23:15 | Soap | what do you need it for, SirFunk ? |
| 19:23:40 | SirFunk | i'm a data packrat :-D I have a video of my band playing, and i want to keep around the raw DV but i want it to take up as little space as possible :-D |
| 19:24:18 | pearldiver | isnt a dv an already compressed format? :P |
| 19:24:27 | SirFunk | uhm.. *shrug* idk |
| 19:24:30 | SirFunk | lol |
| 19:24:36 | SirFunk | the files are huge though |
| 19:25:04 | pearldiver | well it is |
| 19:25:06 | amiconn | dv is mjpeg, i.e. compressed |
| 19:25:19 | SirFunk | oh it is, hmm |
| 19:25:21 | SirFunk | interesting |
| 19:25:25 | SirFunk | didn't know that |
| 19:25:50 | SirFunk | i thoguht there was 'lossless mjpeg' |
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| 19:27:03 | pearldiver | well |
| 19:27:14 | pearldiver | uncompressed YCbCr is the only lossless video i can think of |
| 19:27:50 | amiconn | AVI can contain uncompressed video, either RGB or YCbCr |
| 19:28:33 | Soap | SirFunk: save it as a 1.5Mbit XviD, you'll never notice the loss. |
| 19:28:51 | SirFunk | heh, probably |
| 19:29:26 | Soap | or burn it to DVD and pack it away. |
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| 19:33:01 | SirFunk | oh wow, huffyuv gets about 2.4:1 ratio.. guess i've never experianced the size of uncompressed video before :-D |
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| 19:41:54 | linuxstb | SirFunk: Out of curiousity, how big is your DV file? |
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| 19:42:28 | andrewy | anyone know if the gigabeat MEG-F40S is supported? I know the F40 is, but can't find any mention of the F40S |
| 19:42:55 | petur | the S is for Silver |
| 19:43:00 | petur | (afaik) |
| 19:43:03 | andrewy | heh, I see |
| 19:43:06 | andrewy | thanks |
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| 20:02:42 | z0de | HydraIRC <- IRC for people who like forced quit messages. |
| 20:03:08 | petur | hehe |
| 20:03:39 | andrewy | they have to get users somehow |
| 20:06:16 | z0de | lol |
| 20:07:17 | z0de | also i do actually have a question. is there anyway to see how long rockbox has been on since the last charge? (without doing battery bench) |
| 20:08:11 | scorche | hydra is actually pretty decent, but lets not get into that here ;) |
| 20:08:29 | Soap | forced quit messages <- For people who haven't seen a hex editor. |
| 20:08:44 | * | scorche senses much discontent about april fools in the logs |
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| 20:11:50 | * | petur gets bored by all that aprilfools crap... most newssites don't even carry a decent article :/ |
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| 20:12:27 | funky | petur: hehe |
| 20:12:50 | petur | no, it was not funny... |
| 20:14:04 | funky | read sites from places where today is a normal day |
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| 20:14:33 | z0de | Soap: ive seen one and used one but shouldn't have to use one to change a quit message |
| 20:14:55 | z0de | any anwsers to my question? |
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| 20:19:58 | scorche | Soap: feel free to tell me what bits to change ;) |
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| 20:20:28 | Soap | it isn't a plain-text string you can look for? |
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| 20:29:50 | scorche | Soap: not that i can see |
| 20:30:04 | Soap | rat bastards |
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| 20:32:50 | petur | HydraIRC <- written by paranoid programmers |
| 20:33:46 | scorche | just one |
| 20:34:32 | scorche | and he says that he will remove them when it gets released as 1.0, but i dont see that happening this century....regardless though, i just switched to it from xchat and quite like it |
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| 20:56:49 | AceNik | anyone here know how i can setup a http:// or ftp:// address "to my local machine" im behind a router or proxy i guess , my external ip i constant but & my machine ip is also constant , but they both different, im using a gprs connection to use the internet |
| 20:57:22 | scorche | and this has what to do with rockbox? |
| 20:57:29 | SirFunk | lol |
| 20:58:04 | AceNik | well id like to setup cutom builds i make on this server i setup |
| 20:59:06 | scorche | we answer rockbox related questions here...not general server questions |
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| 21:00:03 | AceNik | fine have it your way, althought t would have bin imple to answer , or forward me to some place , its up to you , thanks |
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| 21:01:21 | scorche | and while you can be as mad at me as you want, you could have read the link in the topic to easily find out the rules of this channel without breaking them upon entry |
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| 21:41:13 | webguest65 | hello |
| 21:41:36 | webguest65 | can some 1 help me out? |
| 21:42:04 | markun | webguest65: what's the problem? |
| 21:42:43 | webguest65 | o hi |
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| 21:43:10 | z0de | ask and people will try |
| 21:43:25 | webguest65 | i installd the rockbox on my ipod 5g video and i dont know how to run my original os |
| 21:43:40 | z0de | as long as its related to rockbox |
| 21:44:18 | markun | webguest65: check the wiki, in the ipod section you will find the ipodFAQ |
| 21:44:33 | webguest65 | ok |
| 21:44:33 | markun | with the answers to your question(s) |
| 21:44:38 | webguest65 | tnx |
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| 21:55:36 | WilliamGC | How come the zune isn't listed? |
| 21:56:19 | smably | WilliamGC: somebody must have, uh...forgotten :P |
| 21:56:29 | smably | [seriously, it's a joke. april fools!] |
| 21:56:43 | glulm | haha :) |
| 21:56:46 | WilliamGC | Geeks have no sense of humor. |
| 21:57:23 | markun | WilliamGC: at least not all of us |
| 21:57:24 | glulm | I hope today's fixes are not a joke though. |
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| 21:57:57 | WilliamGC | Is the iFP790 patch useable? |
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| 21:58:19 | WilliamGC | iRiver's firmware ubersucks. |
| 21:58:22 | markun | WilliamGC: not really yet I think |
| 21:58:40 | WilliamGC | My iRiver keeps crashing. |
| 21:58:45 | markun | there is 1 person working on it and committing things from time to time |
| 21:58:48 | WilliamGC | Even after I upgraded. |
| 21:59:47 | WilliamGC | Are there any other places for hacked firmware for iFP790? |
| 22:00 |
| 22:01:57 | Llorean | WilliamGC: Not really. There is a slightly modified version of the iRiver firmware, but it wouldn't do anything about crashes, it just alters the allowed recording bitrates (though it doesn't make much difference) |
| 22:02:17 | WilliamGC | Yeah, I tried it, didn't notice any difference |
| 22:02:26 | WilliamGC | I'll probably end up getting a new player. |
| 22:02:30 | Llorean | The Rockbox port for iFP, I believe, can play MP3 but you can't build it at the moment, it's in-between being compilable last I checked |
| 22:02:50 | WilliamGC | Unfortunatly my music collection is all vorbis |
| 22:03:18 | movezig | Is vorbis better than mp3? |
| 22:04:32 | Llorean | movezig: Depends on which encoder you use. |
| 22:04:37 | Llorean | Vorbis is free-er than MP3 at least. |
| 22:05:02 | Llorean | WilliamGC: Vorbis *might* play back, I really don't know. I know he did some optimizations for it. |
| 22:05:27 | WilliamGC | I used auVuTu whatever its' called |
| 22:05:42 | smably | movezig: what is "better"? |
| 22:07:46 | WilliamGC | iRiver has really bad compatibility for all non-standard things. |
| 22:07:52 | WilliamGC | It barely even supports Vorbis |
| 22:08:17 | Llorean | The iFP supports it particularly bad. |
| 22:08:29 | Llorean | If you have a playlist of MP3 and Vorbis files, the Vorbis play at a significantly lower volume |
| 22:09:18 | WilliamGC | Yeah |
| 22:09:29 | WilliamGC | I don't know why, it's bizzare and annoyin |
| 22:09:55 | webguest65 | hello i got my ipof 5g wiht rockbox and i dont like the theme. i downloaded a theme but i dont know what to do next, i serach the wiki btw |
| 22:11:20 | WilliamGC | Live with it.:) |
| 22:11:30 | WilliamGC | I have bigger issues that don't have solutions. |
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| 22:11:58 | Llorean | webguest65: In most cases you simply extract the theme directly to your player. |
| 22:12:16 | webguest65 | in the .rockbox? |
| 22:12:26 | Llorean | Basically, look at the folders in the theme zip, and look in the .rockbox folder, and you'll see folders with the same name, you just make sure the files from the zip end up in those folders. |
| 22:13:31 | WilliamGC | Which player has the best support? |
| 22:13:59 | Llorean | Basically, anything without a PortalPlayer chip is pretty well working |
| 22:14:10 | WilliamGC | PortalPlayer? |
| 22:14:12 | petur | archos, iriver, iaudio I think |
| 22:14:30 | Llorean | petur: iRiver h10 is bad though, gotta be careful about brands |
| 22:14:32 | WilliamGC | My iRiver has crappy support, I suppose getting a newer one would be a good idea. |
| 22:14:50 | Llorean | WilliamGC: Basically, don't look at the H10, any iPod, or the Sansa e200. |
| 22:14:59 | petur | sorry master Llorean |
| 22:15:13 | WilliamGC | I heard that a certain format of MP3 tags upsets the iFP790 |
| 22:15:34 | Llorean | WilliamGC: Many players are upset by bad tags, especially ApeV2 if they don't skip them properly |
| 22:15:43 | Hochler | How's the progress with mpegplayer going? |
| 22:15:45 | WilliamGC | I don't use ape though |
| 22:16:03 | Llorean | petur: Just pointing it out. It'd be sad if someone tried an H10 and thought that was a "good" Rockbox player. :) |
| 22:16:07 | WilliamGC | I generally rebuild all of my Mp3s and retag them on download. |
| 22:16:23 | Llorean | WilliamGC: Anyway, this channel isn't really about original firmwares |
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| 22:16:41 | WilliamGC | You're more helpful then the forum. |
| 22:16:46 | Llorean | Hochler: There are still bugs, and they're still getting fixed. |
| 22:17:04 | WilliamGC | It has things like iRiver sucks, or questions with no replies. |
| 22:17:09 | Llorean | WilliamGC: I'm as helpful as the Rockbox forum, and here like there we try to stay on topic. |
| 22:17:16 | WilliamGC | sorry |
| 22:17:21 | Hochler | Llorean: Cool, was just curious. |
| 22:17:33 | WilliamGC | If I wanted to build the patch, how would I do it in Windows? |
| 22:17:55 | Llorean | WilliamGC: It's not really a "patch", it's an entirely new firmware. |
| 22:18:07 | Hochler | Llorean: Is there a chance for full-speed 320x240 on the iPod video, or is that out of reach? |
| 22:18:25 | Llorean | WilliamGC: You'll have to look into the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page at the rockbox site. But odds are good the iFP build will fail to finish compiling. |
| 22:18:48 | Llorean | Hochler: Very, very, very unlikely. In fact, probably impossible unless someone comes up with a way to use the built in chip, which nobody on Rockbox is currently investigating. |
| 22:18:50 | WilliamGC | Oh, you have to patch the original firmware to create a backdoor. |
| 22:19:00 | Llorean | WilliamGC: Yep, but that's just the 'bootloader' |
| 22:19:11 | Llorean | I do believe there's a precompiled version of that on the wiki |
| 22:19:23 | Hochler | Llorean: Ah, OK. Thanks. |
| 22:19:49 | WilliamGC | I suppose I'll just have to get a new music player. |
| 22:20:57 | WilliamGC | I bought 2 Sansa players on EBay for 7 dollars together. |
| 22:21:00 | Llorean | Hochler: The iPod's CPU is basically just too slow, and the screen too big. With the original firmware the Broadcom chip does all the video stuff, but there's no documentation for it, and it'd be a very, very lot of work to try to reverse engineer it, for it to only benefit one (or two if you count 5.5G as separate) targets. |
| 22:21:08 | WilliamGC | They may either be defective or damaged. |
| 22:21:10 | WilliamGC | Oh well |
| 22:21:43 | petur | WilliamGC: that was quick ;) |
| 22:21:53 | WilliamGC | I got them about an hour ago |
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| 22:22:12 | WilliamGC | My best friend took electronics in tech school, if they don't work I'll probably send him one. |
| 22:22:45 | Hochler | Llorean: Ah, OK. Will there be a player that can play at full-res and full-speed? |
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| 22:23:23 | WilliamGC | Wasn't there an article on Rockbox a few months ago in a tech magazine? |
| 22:23:44 | petur | WilliamGC: lots |
| 22:24:33 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ArticlesAboutRockbox |
| 22:25:34 | Llorean | Hochler: My Gigabeat can play 320x240 at 25fps and 320x176 at 30 |
| 22:25:53 | WilliamGC | It was the Popular Science one. |
| 22:29:25 | webguest65 | can some 1 give me the link to rockbuy? tnx |
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| 22:29:44 | Llorean | webguest65: If you mean "rockboy", I suggest reading the manual |
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| 22:31:07 | WilliamGC | haha |
| 22:31:36 | webguest65 | the rockboy is not in my rockbox plugins. what do i do? |
| 22:31:56 | webguest65 | cam i download it? |
| 22:32:04 | pixelma | maybe read the manual? ;) |
| 22:32:16 | JavaMan22 | ok |
| 22:32:22 | JavaMan22 | you need to have a rom file |
| 22:32:28 | JavaMan22 | .gb or .gbc |
| 22:32:46 | JavaMan22 | then in your file browser hold the select button and open with rockboy |
| 22:33:03 | webguest65 | i do i got a gb and gbc rom |
| 22:33:27 | JavaMan22 | ok then do what i just told you to do |
| 22:33:53 | pixelma | you don't have to "open with" just select the .gb(c) like you would play a song |
| 22:33:58 | JavaMan22 | find your rom file and open with rockboy |
| 22:34:06 | JavaMan22 | yeh |
| 22:34:11 | webguest65 | ow ok |
| 22:34:52 | webguest65 | 1 more question. wher do i drop my roms in .rockbox? |
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| 22:35:44 | JavaMan22 | you dont |
| 22:35:56 | webguest65 | ? i dont? |
| 22:35:59 | JavaMan22 | you should drop them in any folder actually |
| 22:36:14 | JavaMan22 | you could put in .rockbox |
| 22:36:17 | webguest65 | i made a folder named "Gameboy" |
| 22:36:29 | JavaMan22 | but i think it would be more organized if you made a folder called gameboy yeh |
| 22:36:31 | webguest65 | in the .rockbox |
| 22:36:41 | JavaMan22 | anywhere .rockbox or whereever you want |
| 22:36:43 | webguest65 | kk tnx |
| 22:37:02 | JavaMan22 | doesnt have to be in .rockbox |
| 22:37:27 | pixelma | but .rockbox is not the best place for it as it is hidden by default - just put your gameboy folder in the root |
| 22:37:40 | webguest65 | ow ok |
| 22:38:18 | * | petur curses whoever ported jewels to rockbox. My wife got addicted to it and it now leaves me without a device to test code on :( Yes I know, buy another one ;) |
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| 22:41:27 | * | Alonea is armed so jewels is not taken away from her |
| 22:41:28 | webguest65 | i cant find the roms. do i seach in database? |
| 22:41:29 | pearldiver | erm can you hotplug vga? |
| 22:41:37 | pearldiver | sorry for offtopic |
| 22:42:24 | dionoea | pearldiver: sure |
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| 22:42:46 | pearldiver | and its not dangerous? |
| 22:42:53 | pearldiver | for equipment |
| 22:43:03 | dionoea | people do it all the time ... unless you're talking about inserting the card :) |
| 22:43:17 | dionoea | but if it's just the VGA adapter, you should be ok |
| 22:44:00 | pearldiver | ok thanks |
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| 22:45:15 | webguest65 | i cant find the roms on rockbox |
| 22:45:39 | pearldiver | dionoea i guess the same thing is true for the dvi connection? |
| 22:46:23 | dionoea | yeah (i've never used those but i'm sure people plug them in/out all the time) |
| 22:46:41 | petur | webguest65: what extensions did you gave them? |
| 22:46:54 | pearldiver | i just grew up with computers around that didnt have over voltage protection heh |
| 22:47:04 | petur | webguest65: use .gb or .gbc |
| 22:47:14 | pearldiver | i never thought about vga being hotplugable |
| 22:47:20 | JavaMan22 | webguest |
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| 22:47:39 | JavaMan22 | make sure your rom files end with .gb or .gbc |
| 22:47:52 | * | petur hears echoes |
| 22:47:53 | JavaMan22 | and make sure you are looking at same place where you placed them :D |
| 22:47:56 | pixelma | webguest65: you won't find them in the database browser - you can access them through the file browser ("files" in the main menu) and of they are still in .rockbox you'd have to switch file view to "all" |
| 22:48:04 | JavaMan22 | i didnt see your line |
| 22:48:34 | webguest65 | ow tnx guys |
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| 22:49:46 | webguest75 | sup dude |
| 22:49:51 | TofuSCHNITZEL | i would like to know if a specal feature is finally integrated in rockbox |
| 22:50:02 | webguest75 | wuts that |
| 22:50:18 | JavaMan22 | i like tofu |
| 22:50:25 | webguest75 | eww |
| 22:50:27 | webguest75 | tofu sux |
| 22:50:42 | JavaMan22 | you suck |
| 22:50:50 | webguest75 | naw man tofu does |
| 22:51:04 | TofuSCHNITZEL | is it possible to put the ipod with rockbox to a usb powerplug, and rockbox is not rebooting but just recharching? |
| 22:51:06 | pearldiver | erm? |
| 22:51:09 | TofuSCHNITZEL | at last? |
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| 22:51:51 | linuxstb | TofuSCHNITZEL: Yes |
| 22:51:59 | TofuSCHNITZEL | cool |
| 22:52:03 | JavaMan22 | really? |
| 22:52:03 | TofuSCHNITZEL | but how to use it |
| 22:52:11 | JavaMan22 | yes tell please :D |
| 22:52:27 | linuxstb | Huh? You just plug it in... |
| 22:52:29 | webguest65 | I got it to work tnx guys |
| 22:52:35 | TofuSCHNITZEL | is there a menu setting like (on usb plug do not reboot) |
| 22:52:42 | TofuSCHNITZEL | if i put it on a power plug |
| 22:52:43 | linuxstb | Or do you mean plug it via USB to a computer? |
| 22:52:46 | TofuSCHNITZEL | it is rebooting |
| 22:52:48 | TofuSCHNITZEL | and rebooting |
| 22:52:53 | TofuSCHNITZEL | and so on |
| 22:52:57 | linuxstb | TofuSCHNITZEL: When did you last update Rockbox? |
| 22:52:59 | | Quit inversions (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 22:53:04 | TofuSCHNITZEL | but i want rockbox to run continously |
| 22:53:08 | TofuSCHNITZEL | while recharching |
| 22:53:17 | TofuSCHNITZEL | about 5 mins ago |
| 22:53:17 | amiconn | Then you either don't use a pure USB power plug, or using an old rockbox build |
| 22:53:37 | TofuSCHNITZEL | i have to admit i havent tested it jet |
| 22:53:40 | TofuSCHNITZEL | with the new one |
| 22:53:51 | TofuSCHNITZEL | i thought there will be an menu option |
| 22:53:53 | linuxstb | When did you last update (before 5 mins ago) ? |
| 22:54:05 | movezig | good night! |
| 22:54:06 | TofuSCHNITZEL | 1 week ago |
| 22:54:38 | linuxstb | There used to be a bug in Rockbox were it wouldn't correctly distinguish between a USB connection to a power plug, and a USB connection to a computer, but that was fixed a few months ago. |
| 22:55:02 | TofuSCHNITZEL | ah |
| 22:55:03 | TofuSCHNITZEL | ok |
| 22:55:06 | TofuSCHNITZEL | i just |
| 22:55:11 | TofuSCHNITZEL | tried it |
| 22:55:27 | | Part movezig |
| 22:55:35 | TofuSCHNITZEL | rockbox didnt reboot but i could not se if it is really reloading |
| 22:55:49 | TofuSCHNITZEL | but maybe there is just a image missing |
| 22:55:55 | TofuSCHNITZEL | like the original fw |
| 22:55:59 | TofuSCHNITZEL | there is a litte flash |
| 22:56:02 | JavaMan22 | chopper should have 10 highscores |
| 22:56:03 | TofuSCHNITZEL | if its recharching |
| 22:56:11 | JavaMan22 | and have name entries |
| 22:56:14 | TofuSCHNITZEL | whats you highscore in chopper? |
| 22:56:24 | JavaMan22 | 5430 |
| 22:56:32 | JavaMan22 | something like that 5400 |
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| 22:57:24 | TofuSCHNITZEL | awww |
| 22:57:26 | TofuSCHNITZEL | shit |
| 22:57:28 | TofuSCHNITZEL | damn |
| 22:57:31 | x1jmp | What's the easiest way to convert endianess of 64 bit types on Rockbox as well as on the host? |
| 22:57:38 | TofuSCHNITZEL | i only got 1760 |
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| 22:58:02 | JavaMan22 | hehe |
| 22:58:16 | TofuSCHNITZEL | ok i will let rockbox running and pluged in |
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| 22:58:52 | TofuSCHNITZEL | and we will se if its really recharging (using the power from the powerplug) |
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| 22:59:54 | linuxstb | x1jmp: Rockbox ROCKBOX_LITTLE_ENDIAN and ROCKBOX_BIG_ENDIAN #defines - see autoconf.h in your build directory. There are also some byte-swapping macros in system.h, but only up to 32-bits |
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| 23:00:04 | linuxstb | ^Rockbox has... |
| 23:00:21 | linuxstb | x1jmp: What needs 64-bit byte-swapping? |
| 23:00:49 | x1jmp | linuxstb: the dict plugin to hande offsets for the 7-8 GiB wikipedia dump |
| 23:01:04 | x1jmp | s/hande/handle |
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| 23:01:10 | amiconn | x1jmp: Forget that. You can't have files that big on fat32 anyway |
| 23:01:24 | x1jmp | amiconn: they are splitted |
| 23:01:58 | x1jmp | amiconn: the offset also defines which file to use |
| 23:02:13 | amiconn | Why not just split the address as well in this case? |
| 23:03:08 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:03:33 | TofuSCHNITZEL | cool its really working |
| 23:03:38 | x1jmp | amiconn: they should be usable on other devices (no DAPs) as well, so RB is only the exception that uses file splitting |
| 23:03:43 | TofuSCHNITZEL | the battery lev raised |
| 23:03:59 | * | amiconn wonders who will sacrifice multiple gigabytes for a dictionary on a dap |
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| 23:04:14 | amiconn | Okay, with 100GB+ it won't be that much of a problem |
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| 23:04:32 | * | x1jmp wonders whe needs >20 GiBs for music |
| 23:04:36 | TofuSCHNITZEL | but a battery pic with a flash (for recharching) would be good |
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| 23:05:16 | amiconn | x1jmp: That's easily exceeded when using a lossless format |
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| 23:06:14 | BigMac | DOn't know if I am doing anything wrong, but I used playlist>insert to input a cd, then just qued 2 other cds, but the playlist would play one song then change to a different song from the next cd |
| 23:06:19 | BigMac | and shuffle was not on |
| 23:06:39 | * | linuxstb should stop wasting his time with mpegplayer and get the av300 working with a 160GB disk... |
| 23:06:59 | BigMac | linuxstb: woh woh woh lets not be hasty:p |
| 23:07:07 | x1jmp | amiconn: I think most people don't use lossless formats, and nevertheless I would use up to 8 GiB for having wikipedia everywhere |
| 23:07:19 | BigMac | Your progress with mpegplayer has been astounding |
| 23:07:28 | amiconn | linuxstb: There are even 200GB 3.5" hdds available now; unfortunately only sata models afaik |
| 23:07:47 | amiconn | Erm, 2.5" |
| 23:08:00 | linuxstb | Yes, it seems all the >160GB are SATA only... |
| 23:08:20 | JavaMan22 | linuxstb why cant brightness work again? |
| 23:08:43 | JavaMan22 | i want a brightness option real bad :/ |
| 23:08:52 | JavaMan22 | that actually saves battery |
| 23:09:06 | TofuSCHNITZEL | i would like a alarm clock that plays music |
| 23:09:21 | x1jmp | back to my question to change endianess, do I have to use my own macros for 64 bit types or would some dev just add them for me? |
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| 23:09:38 | JavaMan22 | well rockbox can resume playback at a time that you set |
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| 23:09:54 | JavaMan22 | so you already have it tofu |
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| 23:11:29 | TofuSCHNITZEL | oh ok |
| 23:12:30 | * | petur wonders what 'make tags' does |
| 23:13:05 | TofuSCHNITZEL | but the id3 tag editing is not working yet? |
| 23:13:26 | Bagder | petur: indexes the sources and makes a TAGS file |
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| 23:15:47 | TofuSCHNITZEL | allright thx people |
| 23:16:04 | TofuSCHNITZEL | now i love rockbox even more |
| 23:16:17 | TofuSCHNITZEL | die apple! |
| 23:16:22 | JavaMan22 | i second that |
| 23:16:24 | JavaMan22 | >:o |
| 23:16:32 | JavaMan22 | except playing mp4s |
| 23:17:26 | TofuSCHNITZEL | good night @ all greetings from little austria |
| 23:21:25 | JavaMan22 | :) |
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| 23:38:16 | linuxstb | Llorean: Regarding the latest post in the gigabeat forum - it sounds like the poster can't access the gigabeat anymore - which I think is what happens when the FWIMG01.DAT is invalid.... |
| 23:39:16 | Llorean | linuxstb: Okay, made it a bit more useful then. :) |
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| 23:40:10 | Llorean | linuxstb: I'll admit I wasn't in much mood to help the guy at all, having seen his post on the same issue at the MyGigabeat forums. |
| 23:40:12 | linuxstb | Sounds like the gigabeat is the most easily bricked of our targets... |
| 23:40:42 | Llorean | Yeah, it really is. |
| 23:42:32 | petur | ouch |
| 23:42:42 | Llorean | But it's also pretty easy to un-brick. |
| 23:42:59 | petur | so it's not really bricked |
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| 23:43:05 | Llorean | petur: It requires opening the player |
| 23:43:20 | petur | aha |
| 23:43:31 | Llorean | I think this is our definition of "brick": Requires opening the player, or special hardware or software tools. |
| 23:43:42 | Llorean | So, once you need e200tool, the Sansa is "bricked" in a sense. |
| 23:44:00 | Soul-Slayer | Surely though 'brick' should mean 'it has become a brick, therefore totally beyond repair' |
| 23:44:00 | petur | fair enough |
| 23:44:09 | Llorean | Soul-Slayer: There's no such thing, though. |
| 23:44:23 | Llorean | Except grievous hardware damage to the point where repairing it constitutes the purchase of a new player. |
| 23:44:37 | Soul-Slayer | Well, 'unable for the average user to repair' |
| 23:44:53 | Llorean | I'd say opening the player is beyond the "average" user, as is e200tool. :) |
| 23:45:07 | Llorean | Or at least, the "average" user *thinks* they are. |
| 23:45:18 | Soul-Slayer | Fair point. |
| 23:45:44 | Llorean | Though I wish people wouldn't say "Rockbox bricked my X" so often |
| 23:46:50 | Soul-Slayer | Somewhere there should be bolded, underlined clarification as to its true terminoligy then :p. |
| 23:47:43 | Llorean | I think we do have a definition of it, at least for forum use. |
| 23:47:53 | Soul-Slayer | Well it needs bolding :p |
| 23:48:09 | Llorean | But the problem is, if they do something stupid while installing Rockbox, then it's "Rockbox bricked it" not "I bricked it before I even managed to start Rockbox" |
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| 23:48:18 | Soul-Slayer | Lol |
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| 23:49:22 | Soul-Slayer | I honestly don't see the instructions hard to follow for any targets |
| 23:51:52 | Bagder | the problem is rather the people, not the instructions |
| 23:52:22 | Llorean | Many, many people get in a rush and skip over things, or assume things. |
| 23:52:42 | Llorean | And it's remarkable how many people completely skip the "Installing the Firmware" section of the manual, and just install a bootlaoder |
| 23:53:33 | linuxstb | We should try and help Domonoky get rbutil ready for release - it will solve all sorts of problems... |
| 23:53:59 | Llorean | What hurdles are left? |
| 23:54:55 | linuxstb | It's just cleaning up, testing and bug-fixing I think... The Mac version needs some work - it compiles and runs, but it could do with some work to make it more "Mac-like". |
| 23:55:25 | Llorean | Alright, I'm off. |
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