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| 00:23:51 | kramdra | whats rbutil? looked on wiki and FR... |
| 00:24:51 | linuxstb | Look for RockboxUtility |
| 00:26:25 | kramdra | thanks |
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| 00:34:35 | x1jmp | is there some way to use gdb on plugins or rockbox at all in the sim? |
| 00:36:20 | x1jmp | oh, just recognized it is actually possible to use it on rockboxui |
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| 00:55:54 | kramdra | ive been reading some c tutorials, but i cant find anything about how to use a structure set up by another .c file... if somone knows of a plugin/source file which does this i should be able to work it out.. this is what i did earlyer http://paste-it.net/1798 |
| 00:56:51 | kramdra | im used to single file asm code.. not that im any good at that either |
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| 01:00:37 | ceaser | kramdra: if the structure is in another .c file, thats not being #included |
| 01:00:41 | ceaser | kramdra: you have to mark it extern |
| 01:00:49 | ceaser | kramdra: err wait |
| 01:02:42 | kramdra | yeah im bit confused... if i include the header, then thats just the stucture but not the adress of the stucture, but didnt think you can #include the .c file? |
| 01:02:44 | ceaser | kramdra: is the structure TYPE set up by the .c file? or just a structure |
| 01:03:07 | ceaser | kramdra: i mean, technically you can, but you generally don't want to |
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| 01:03:30 | ceaser | kramdra: if i'm understanding you correctly, you want an instantiated structure from a .c file in another |
| 01:03:42 | ceaser | kramdra: .c file, with the type set up in a header file somewhere |
| 01:04:01 | ceaser | kramdra: if thats the case, then you just mark the declaration of that structure 'extern' and you can use it outside of that .c file |
| 01:04:18 | kramdra | "struct mp3entry is defined in file firmware/export/id3.h" from docs/plugin_api |
| 01:04:58 | ceaser | oh wait i didn't see the past-it |
| 01:05:00 | ceaser | *paste |
| 01:05:13 | ceaser | you're declaring those structs static |
| 01:05:21 | ceaser | that means you can't access them outside of that .c file |
| 01:06:40 | kramdra | yeah i wasnt sure, do i even need to declare them in my file? |
| 01:06:54 | kramdra | since they are #include'd |
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| 01:07:32 | ceaser | only the type is included, probably |
| 01:07:57 | ceaser | so if you want to allocate memory statically for those structs, you'll have to declare them |
| 01:08:27 | ceaser | or in this case, if you want to declare memory for a pointer to |
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| 01:08:53 | kramdra | im trying to read the stucture thats already in memory |
| 01:10:20 | ceaser | oh hm, my guess is that the pointer is defined externally in another file then, and you don't even have to declare it... i'm not sure, i've never done rockbox plugin devel |
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| 01:17:33 | kramdra | ok i took the define out, going to try compiling this http://paste-it.net/1799 - please tell me if theres a way to compile only the plugin without all of rockbox? |
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| 01:24:35 | JdGordon | kramdra: run make rocks |
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| 01:26:30 | kramdra | what does it do |
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| 01:31:27 | kramdra | probably done it wrong.. but done make rocks from my sim director... got lots of errors |
| 01:32:30 | kramdra | maybe not, says nothing to be done for a few files |
| 01:32:52 | aliask | It always says that. What were the errors (if there's a lot use pastebin) |
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| 01:36:12 | kramdra | pastebin doesnt work for me anymore... but http://paste-it.net/1800 |
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| 01:36:55 | aliask | kramdra: That's perfectly normal. |
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| 01:38:03 | kramdra | however simulator still runs, but my plugin not in there. do i need to include it in another file? since i stupidly assumed all files in /plugin would be compiled... |
| 01:38:57 | Llorean | It needs to be in SOURCES |
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| 01:39:22 | Llorean | In /apps/plugins/SOURCES specifically, it's basically a list of the plugins, with #defines around them to make sure only working ones get built for each player |
| 01:41:51 | kramdra | thanks |
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| 01:46:08 | kramdra | now i have errors :) my code was a bit wrong |
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| 02:16:11 | tchan | Have the recent newer versions (200703) of the rockbox gigabeat and ipod bootloaders changed where they expect rockbox.gigabeat and rockbox.ipod to be found ? |
| 02:17:24 | tchan | i.e. .rockbox/rockbox.gigabeat instead of in /rockbox.gigabeat and similarly .rockbox/rockbox.ipod ?? |
| 02:17:52 | Llorean | The look in /.rockbox first, and then in the root |
| 02:20:07 | tchan | so its now safe to remove the older firmware(s) in root ? |
| 02:20:47 | Llorean | As long as you've got one in the folder, yeah. |
| 02:22:07 | tchan | This wiki page is slightly wrong now: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort as it says "There must be a file in the root named rockbox.gigabeat: X:\rockbox.gigabeat" |
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| 02:22:34 | Llorean | Feel free to update it then. |
| 02:22:43 | tchan | no account, sorry |
| 02:22:59 | Llorean | That's a "I don't want to" then. |
| 02:23:30 | Llorean | The wiki isn't "official" information anyway, since it's community driven. |
| 02:23:33 | Llorean | The official source is the manual |
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| 02:28:10 | tchan | Okay, I've registered TerryChan on the rockbox.org/twiki |
| 02:29:30 | Llorean | And you can edit now |
| 02:30:07 | tchan | thanks |
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| 03:18:37 | cadu | hello guys, i've just registered on RockboxWiki and i wouuld like write access, will be contributing with battery benchs and translations if possible |
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| 03:32:46 | daniel1234 | my ipod won't go into disk mode or in the apple firmware and it says can not find rockbox.ipod when I try to start it so how can I tell if the hard drive is the problem |
| 03:34:37 | BHSPitMonkey | I guarantee it can go into disk mode... |
| 03:35:50 | daniel1234 | then how can I get it into disk mode because I have got it to go into disk mode ages ago but now it jutjust restarts itself and says can not find rockbox.ipod |
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| 03:43:52 | cadu | a question about the Gigabeat F series |
| 03:44:17 | cadu | does the battery level goes down -quick- even if you're not using it ? |
| 03:44:38 | cadu | my player doesn't seems to hold the battery level when not it use, should i turn the battery OFF when not using? |
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| 03:50:31 | kramdra | I read that it will drain over a few days when its off, but the battery switch might fix that... |
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| 03:52:23 | cadu | good to hear |
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| 03:52:36 | cadu | i was just worried about if it was really a common problem or a faulty player :) |
| 03:53:49 | cadu | if it's "normal", can't be helped :) yeah i can turn off the battery switch, then just set up the clock everytime i use something time-based :) |
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| 03:58:21 | kramdra | hmm that resets the clock? that sucks |
| 03:59:15 | Soap | cadu: did you get write access yet? |
| 03:59:37 | cadu | yup, asked Llorean to grant me |
| 03:59:56 | cadu | Soap, btw i've just modified the GigabeatRuntime with my file and updated the table. |
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| 04:00:11 | Soap | cool x 2 |
| 04:02:00 | cadu | working on the portuguese-brazil lang file , also. |
| 04:02:26 | cadu | portuguese and brazillian portuguese have a lot of different words that sound funny or can't be understood quickly |
| 04:03:17 | cadu | like portuguese 'Ecrã' and brazillian portuguese 'Tela' , 100% different words for 'Display', and Ecrã ISN'T used in brazil so no one would understand that :) |
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| 04:24:42 | cadu | btw, i'm getting duplicate entries on the 'database', anyone had the same behavior ? |
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| 04:37:14 | tsuyoshi | would portuguese people understand tela? |
| 04:39:30 | cadu | tela means a surface for displaying something |
| 04:39:43 | cadu | portuguese people maybe can use TELA for a painting or drawing or something |
| 04:39:51 | cadu | but i'm just guessing |
| 04:40:04 | cadu | otoh, Ecrã isn't used for anything in the brazillian portuguese realm |
| 04:40:40 | cadu | as a bunch of other words :) the languages are really different nowadays (altough sharing grammar, of course) |
| 04:40:47 | cadu | compare brittish english with american english |
| 04:41:32 | tsuyoshi | not sure if there are any british words americans wouldn't understand though |
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| 04:42:12 | cadu | dunno about that, but even if understood, they're not natural. |
| 04:42:27 | tsuyoshi | maybe "lorry" |
| 04:42:56 | cadu | example, in portugal, bicha means 'line' (to wait in line) while in portuguese bicha means (extremely vulgar) 'gay' or 'female animal' |
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| 04:43:41 | cadu | lorry? |
| 04:43:44 | * | cadu runs to the dictionary |
| 04:43:52 | tsuyoshi | "truck" in american |
| 04:44:07 | cadu | truck :) |
| 04:48:23 | cadu | "AV Decay Time" |
| 04:48:28 | cadu | never saw this option in rockbox |
| 04:48:33 | cadu | AV stands for ? |
| 04:48:37 | cadu | (translating) :P |
| 04:49:29 | tsuyoshi | audiovisual |
| 04:49:45 | tsuyoshi | or sometimes audio-video |
| 04:50:39 | cadu | 'auto volume' :) |
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| 07:19:45 | heanol | on the rockbox wiki, i see on the page about sansa: "The Sansa recognises when the USB has been plugged in, but does nothing more" |
| 07:20:01 | heanol | does thit mean you cannot transfer music to it when you've installed rockbox to it? |
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| 07:28:41 | lachlan_mc1 | heanol: I doubt thats the case |
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| 07:33:27 | heanol | ok |
| 07:33:29 | heanol | :] |
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| 07:45:40 | tsuyoshi | you plug in the usb, and restart, it will go to the original firmware automatically |
| 07:45:48 | tsuyoshi | and then you can transfer stuff |
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| 07:47:56 | heanol | ah |
| 07:47:57 | heanol | cool |
| 07:48:05 | heanol | i'll install rockbox later then :) |
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| 08:40:22 | arje___ | so, i think basically i did not understand what gen the new ipod 8gb black is and if rockbox installs on them. any help? |
| 08:40:53 | JdGordon | its the 2nd gen... you cant install rockbox |
| 08:41:31 | arje___ | JdGordon: is support for those intended to come the next months? |
| 08:44:03 | JdGordon | months... years.. decades.... eventually... possibly.... |
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| 08:45:31 | arje___ | JdGordon: :((( |
| 08:45:36 | arje___ | JdGordon: thx anyways |
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| 08:53:55 | JdGordon | hey scorche, you can change the title back :) |
| 08:54:12 | scorche | it is 11:53 here...we have 7 more min! |
| 08:54:39 | JdGordon | :O quit living in the past :p |
| 08:54:43 | * | petur hates april fools jokes |
| 08:55:07 | scorche | petur: well, when you are on the performing side instead of the receiving side, they get better ;) |
| 08:55:08 | * | JdGordon gone for 2 days... cyaz |
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| 08:57:50 | arje___ | jonashn: is there any other way to change the appearance of the ipod nano 2nd gen displays? like when i just want it to be smooth black? |
| 08:58:03 | arje___ | err |
| 08:58:16 | arje___ | s/jonashn:// |
| 08:58:17 | arje___ | :) |
| 08:58:19 | scorche | arje___: nano 2nd gen? |
| 08:58:27 | arje___ | scorche: i think so |
| 08:58:32 | arje___ | scorche: 8gb black one |
| 08:58:38 | scorche | why would you ask that in here? |
| 08:58:56 | arje___ | scorche: well cause i surf the net for rockbox/ipodlinux since hours now |
| 08:59:09 | arje___ | scorche: i just want a way to change the appearance in the first place |
| 08:59:17 | scorche | yes, but that question has nothing to do with rockbox |
| 08:59:36 | arje___ | scorche: correctly. but who else could know about that? |
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| 09:00:11 | scorche | that isnt our problem...the thing is, this place is for rockbox related chat only |
| 09:01:02 | scorche | see the link in the topic |
| 09:01:59 | arje___ | scorche: i visited it already. :) my intention is not to bother you with that as you might be able to imagine... |
| 09:02:21 | arje___ | scorche: however |
| 09:02:26 | arje___ | scorche: thank you. |
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| 09:09:23 | crop | Hi. Has the contact with Austrian Microsystems made any good for RB? |
| 09:09:40 | petur | crop: two words: sansa sound |
| 09:10:27 | crop | petur: ah! I asked because there is nothing about it on the wiki page |
| 09:11:07 | crop | Did they provide any information which could be used for better battery handling on ipods? |
| 09:11:09 | petur | hmmmm austriancoder said he was going to write a wiki page about the visit... |
| 09:11:33 | GodEater_ | crop: no - they wouldn't do that as they wouldn't know. |
| 09:12:09 | crop | So this brought nothing ipod-wise? |
| 09:12:21 | tsuyoshi | crop: well the wiki has sansa under "supported models" now |
| 09:12:39 | tsuyoshi | that's really the only change I think |
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| 09:13:10 | GodEater_ | crop: no - AMS have nothing to do with iPods as far as I'm aware. |
| 09:13:18 | GodEater_ | crop: they provide the DAC in the Sansa. |
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| 09:16:46 | petur | about time! |
| 09:16:53 | Topic | "Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcGuidelines | Rockbox Devcon 2007 - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevCon2007" by scorche (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 09:16:59 | scorche | oh hush, you |
| 09:17:14 | * | petur walks off for a while :p |
| 09:17:33 | * | scorche smacks petur |
| 09:17:36 | scorche | humbug! |
| 09:17:52 | * | petur was already gone - scorche is getting sloooow |
| 09:18:22 | scorche | ./kick petur slow this! |
| 09:18:36 | GodEater_ | scorche: was anyone actually taken in? I've not had a chance to read back through the history yet... |
| 09:18:56 | scorche | GodEater: quite a few actually...the logs were entertaining at some points |
| 09:19:33 | GodEater_ | I look forward to reading them later then ;) −− I like iPL's "iPodLinux now runs on Nano 2G" too :) |
| 09:20:49 | scorche | they didnt do anything with their topic as far as i know... |
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| 09:22:49 | GodEater_ | no - they posted it on their site - and someone posted it in our Nano 2G thread on the forums |
| 09:22:56 | GodEater_ | and then realised their mistake :) |
| 09:23:26 | scorche | oh joy |
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| 09:29:45 | crop | petur: What's the matter with the recording enhancement patch? Why doesn't it get committed? It's a never ending story in the forum. Are there still any issues? |
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| 09:42:32 | petur | crop: there are no issues, but the stuff that's in there is just cosmetic and I don't know what should or should not get in the final build. |
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| 09:43:06 | petur | morning ;) |
| 09:53:54 | crop | But isn't it a pity to always have to maintain that patch? If it were in the build it'd be... beter, no? |
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| 10:18:50 | linuxstb | A request for anyone experiencing bugs with mpegplayer - can you add them here? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#Known_Bugs |
| 10:19:22 | pondlife | Why not on FlySpray? |
| 10:20:20 | pondlife | The Video cataegory is barely used ATM |
| 10:21:27 | linuxstb | Because they're too many, and mpegplayer is too "alpha" (IMO). |
| 10:22:25 | pondlife | Whatever... I just would expect someone providing bug reports to click on the "bug reports" link from the homepage. |
| 10:23:12 | pondlife | I only see 2 reported bugs on FS. |
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| 10:27:14 | linuxstb | There is nothing stopping people reporting bugs on flyspray as well. But afaik it's normal for in-development pieces of code to have lists of bugs in the wiki rather than cluttering up flyspray. |
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| 10:58:11 | hen3rz | is it possible to have seperate font colors for the wps and menu?? |
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| 10:59:23 | bluebrother | hen3rz: no |
| 10:59:42 | hen3rz | darn |
| 10:59:51 | hen3rz | ty though |
| 10:59:58 | bluebrother | unless you use patches, but I'm not aware what's available in that area |
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| 11:00:25 | bluebrother | greyscale targets aren't interesting for color ;-) |
| 11:00:57 | hen3rz | mmm |
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| 11:03:33 | amiconn | There is no wps tag to set font colour? |
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| 11:05:38 | daniel1234 | hi my ipod won't go into disk mode is there a way I can check if the hard drive is the problem |
| 11:06:07 | GodEater_ | daniel1234: describe what you do, and what happens. |
| 11:06:20 | scorche | did you turn hold on and off, and then hold menu and select for 30 seconds? |
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| 11:07:20 | bluebrother | daniel1234: are you trying emergency disk mode? |
| 11:07:35 | daniel1234 | i did the hold thing but as soon as the ipod screen went dark I pressed play and select |
| 11:07:49 | scorche | errrr.....ignore me |
| 11:07:59 | bluebrother | hold thing? |
| 11:08:17 | scorche | i said ignore me!...i am involved in too many conversations =/ |
| 11:08:48 | scorche | daniel1234: if your ipod will not go into disk mode, something is seriously wrong with it....which makes us think that you are doing something wrong |
| 11:09:27 | bluebrother | scorche: I was referring to daniel1234 mentioning some "hold thing" |
| 11:09:51 | scorche | bluebrother: that was off some comment i made about resetting the device, which was int he wrong conversation |
| 11:09:55 | bluebrother | not sure if he was referring to the hold switch or holding the buttons for emergency disk mode ;-) |
| 11:09:57 | daniel1234 | I have got it to go into disk mode before but I have tried for hours and it won't go into disk mode it won't even boot the apple fw |
| 11:10:53 | bluebrother | booting any firmware is one thing. Emergency disk mode is another |
| 11:11:14 | bluebrother | if it doesn't go into *emergency* disk mode (not regular disk mode) then something is really wrong |
| 11:11:30 | scorche | aye...as i said |
| 11:11:56 | daniel1234 | I have got it to go into disk mode before but I have tried for hours and it won't gif there is something wrong with the hard drive would that affect it |
| 11:12:05 | scorche | daniel1234: so, you are resetting the device (select + menu_ and then immediately holding select and play/pause, correct? |
| 11:12:28 | scorche | no...that would be something much worse than a hard drive issue |
| 11:12:37 | daniel1234 | if there is something wrong with the hard drive will that affect it |
| 11:12:44 | scorche | you are blind, correct (or am i thinking of someone else?) |
| 11:12:52 | daniel1234 | yes thats right |
| 11:13:28 | daniel1234 | no thats me i am blind |
| 11:14:16 | daniel1234 | So is there only one disk mode |
| 11:14:21 | scorche | yes |
| 11:14:35 | scorche | the "other one" is a part of apple's firmware |
| 11:15:14 | scorche | are you sure that the hold switch is off and the unit is charged? |
| 11:16:01 | daniel1234 | so you are saying if i flick the hold switch on and off then menu and select until the screen goes dark then play and select there is nothing I can do |
| 11:16:04 | scorche | (well, not completely discharged, rather |
| 11:16:25 | scorche | well, how do you know that the screen is going dark? |
| 11:16:58 | daniel1234 | I can see when it is light but that is about it |
| 11:17:03 | daniel1234 | and dark |
| 11:17:24 | daniel1234 | I am trying to put in to disk mode with the charger on |
| 11:17:54 | scorche | but the unit is lighting up? |
| 11:20:13 | daniel1234 | as soon as the screen goes dark I do the play and select thing and after about 10 seconds the hard drives makes a click sound I let go of the buttons and wait 10 seconds and the screen lights up again |
| 11:20:26 | GodEater_ | that doesn't sound good =/ |
| 11:20:29 | daniel1234 | so does mean something is wrong |
| 11:21:09 | scorche | most likely, however, if disk mode isnt working, then more than just your hard drive is broken |
| 11:21:22 | scorche | i would suggest sighted help if possible, at this point |
| 11:21:42 | daniel1234 | ok what should I tell them to do and look for |
| 11:22:27 | scorche | well, i would tell them how to put it into disk mode first of all |
| 11:23:00 | bluebrother | there is also a diagnostics mode (press left + select upon startup) that might be helpful |
| 11:23:01 | scorche | it could be going into disk mode and then exiting because of the hard drive....i wouldnt know how it behaves on a bad hard drive |
| 11:23:13 | bluebrother | don't know if that has some "test disk" function though |
| 11:23:17 | daniel1234 | ok so just hold on off then menu select until the screen goes off then play and select for how long? |
| 11:23:25 | scorche | bluebrother: well, it might be hard to explain that to someone who doesnt know what they are doing |
| 11:23:42 | bluebrother | right ... but I was long unaware such a mode exists |
| 11:23:45 | scorche | daniel1234: till it goes into disk mode |
| 11:23:51 | bluebrother | so I thought I'd just mention it ;-) |
| 11:24:05 | daniel1234 | so what should it say |
| 11:24:13 | daniel1234 | when it is in disk mode |
| 11:24:31 | scorche | it should say disk mode at the top |
| 11:24:46 | bluebrother | if usb is connected it says "do not disconnect" |
| 11:25:09 | scorche | and then in the middle, either a check mark, or a circle with a slash through it (the typical do not symbol) |
| 11:25:30 | scorche | with the text " opk to disconnect or what bluebrother said below that icon |
| 11:25:43 | scorche | sorry...ok...not opk |
| 11:26:28 | scorche | also, hol select and play/pause immediately after the unti resets (screen goes off, not necessarily dark) |
| 11:26:31 | daniel1234 | my computer doesn't even recognise it |
| 11:26:35 | scorche | hold...arg |
| 11:26:59 | scorche | well, it would have to be in disk mode for it to recognise it |
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| 11:27:48 | daniel1234 | I took it apart with sighted help when I couldn't get it in disk mode and made sure the connections were right but it won't work is there a way I can test the hard drive |
| 11:28:18 | scorche | daniel1234: through the previously mentioned diagnostic mode |
| 11:28:46 | scorche | i would try and find an article describing it on the internet for your sighted friend though |
| 11:28:51 | daniel1234 | are you talking about disk mode |
| 11:28:55 | scorche | no |
| 11:29:29 | daniel1234 | someone said there is a mode you can get to when the player restarts you press select and back is that right |
| 11:29:51 | scorche | that is it |
| 11:29:53 | daniel1234 | like disk mode except with select and back not select and play |
| 11:30:03 | scorche | there are 3 main modes on the ipods: firmware mode (where it will lod a firmware such as apple's or rockbox), disk mode, and diagnostic mode |
| 11:30:55 | daniel1234 | how do you get into the firmware mode |
| 11:31:07 | GodEater_ | daniel1234: that's the default |
| 11:31:22 | scorche | it will do that if you do not push any buttons |
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| 11:32:03 | daniel1234 | can someone tell me what should happen after I push select and back how long do I hold select and back |
| 11:32:10 | daniel1234 | for |
| 11:32:16 | scorche | till it enters the mode |
| 11:32:55 | daniel1234 | ok so what should be displayed on the screen |
| 11:33:48 | scorche | as i said, there are a lot of things to it, so i would show your friend an article about it |
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| 11:34:20 | daniel1234 | ok can I do that with the charger on |
| 11:35:58 | scorche | http://www.finseth.com/parts/ipod.php and http://ipoding.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=3 both seem to be articles that will describe it for you |
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| 11:38:43 | ep0ch | markun: can you take a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6933 and maybe commit? |
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| 11:56:02 | daniel1234 | hey someone sent me a web site address about the ipod hardware test or something can you send it again |
| 11:56:41 | scorche | <scorche> http://www.finseth.com/parts/ipod.php and http://ipoding.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=3 both seem to be articles that will describe it for you |
| 11:57:02 | markun | ep0ch: I'll have a look |
| 11:57:52 | markun | ep0ch: I was about to make the volume buttons to change the volume :) |
| 11:57:57 | markun | Think I will go with that |
| 11:58:06 | markun | but you can keep using your patch of course |
| 11:58:13 | ep0ch | hmmm |
| 11:58:33 | GodEater_ | markun: thank goodness - I'd rather use the volume control for volume too |
| 11:58:33 | ep0ch | atm doing page scrolling is odd... |
| 11:58:47 | markun | jhMikeS: howmany fps speedup did you get? |
| 11:59:03 | ep0ch | you can accidently do selections or shut down the player |
| 11:59:27 | GodEater_ | markun: weren't you going to change the button to hold to down paged scrolling to the A button rather than power ? |
| 11:59:37 | markun | ep0ch: yes, but that should be solved by changing the A and POWER imho |
| 11:59:43 | jhMikeS | up to around 40 |
| 11:59:53 | GodEater_ | s/down/so |
| 11:59:53 | jhMikeS | the framerate that is overall |
| 11:59:55 | ep0ch | markun: ok that's good |
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| 12:00:03 | markun | jhMikeS: +40? |
| 12:00:26 | jhMikeS | no, just 50 |
| 12:00:27 | jhMikeS | 40 |
| 12:00:34 | markun | jhMikeS: what did you get before? |
| 12:00:38 | jhMikeS | about 25 |
| 12:00:43 | daniel1234 | if I took the hard drive out of my ipod it wouldn't go into disk mode right |
| 12:00:44 | markun | wow, nice speedup! |
| 12:00:55 | jhMikeS | it runs 60 without any rendering at all |
| 12:01:42 | scorche | daniel1234: the hard drives in ipods are not liek normal hard drives...they use soemthing called a ZIF connector, so i would not suggest messing with it unless you have a repalcement, or otherwise |
| 12:02:12 | * | petur hands scorche a typing course |
| 12:02:18 | scorche | pfft! |
| 12:02:28 | scorche | my keyboard is bad... |
| 12:02:34 | petur | sure ;) |
| 12:02:36 | * | scorche thanks jdgordon for the excuse |
| 12:02:47 | pixelma | bough JdGordon's? |
| 12:02:48 | petur | flat batteries too, eh? |
| 12:03:07 | scorche | petur: whatever works =P |
| 12:04:26 | daniel1234 | I have read on lots of websites people have had to change there hard drives on the ipod but before I get a hard drive off ebay I want to make sure the hard drive is the problem |
| 12:05:12 | scorche | daniel1234: well, just do as i have suggested with a sighted person, and you should be able to figure that out |
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| 12:06:42 | markun | jhMikeS: any other places in mpegplayer that could use some asm? |
| 12:07:15 | daniel1234 | OK just one more question if I can't get in to the hardware test thing does that mean the hard drive is the problem or is it worse than that |
| 12:07:15 | Moos | or on LCD driver? :) |
| 12:07:27 | Moos | @markun jhMikeS |
| 12:07:32 | jhMikeS | markun: probably most of it |
| 12:07:44 | GodEater_ | daniel1234: if it won't go into the hardware test, it's very bad indeed, and most likely not the harddrive |
| 12:08:01 | markun | jhMikeS: well, maybe we should do some profiling first |
| 12:08:05 | jhMikeS | I think the decoder should do the rotation actually and would simplify the blit code |
| 12:09:11 | daniel1234 | so if the ipod was working fine and I took the hard drive out would it still get in to that hardware thing |
| 12:09:26 | markun | pearldiver: can you check your 'green' video with jhMikeS' new yuv code? |
| 12:09:36 | scorche | daniel1234: really...there sint a need to take the hard drive out |
| 12:09:43 | jhMikeS | markun: well, pick a stock video for comparision if you're sick of elephant dream by now :) |
| 12:10:00 | markun | jhMikeS: I'm using Red Dwarf now :) |
| 12:10:15 | jhMikeS | I'll need a copy then |
| 12:10:51 | daniel1234 | i wasn't going to I was just wondering so I could tell if it was the hard drive or not |
| 12:11:13 | scorche | daniel1234: the diagnostic mode should tell you that |
| 12:13:12 | daniel1234 | so your saying if the hardware thing doesn't work I can't fix the problem |
| 12:14:07 | scorche | i am saying that if "the hardware thing" doesnt work, then your ipod has much worse issues than a bad hard drive |
| 12:14:50 | daniel1234 | ok then is there anything I can do |
| 12:15:12 | scorche | return to apple for repair (if covered under a warranty), or buy a new one |
| 12:16:18 | daniel1234 | I think I will just stick with my h300 |
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| 12:37:08 | |cub| | aloha people :) |
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| 12:41:37 | markun | hi |cub| |
| 12:41:42 | |cub| | how can i rebuild database ? |
| 12:42:21 | markun | There is a menu option to do that, right? |
| 12:42:23 | |cub| | when im adding new songs database doesnt see them |
| 12:42:28 | |cub| | hm |
| 12:42:38 | |cub| | i`ll look now |
| 12:42:52 | |cub| | but as i remember i didnt found it |
| 12:43:05 | markun | |cub|: you need to enable 'dircache' and set the database to auto-update |
| 12:43:14 | |cub| | one sec |
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| 12:44:10 | |cub| | and wher `dircache` is? |
| 12:44:36 | GodEater_ | |cub|: it's all covered in the manual |
| 12:49:19 | |cub| | ok |
| 12:49:22 | |cub| | thnx :) |
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| 12:56:24 | safetydan | Wow. video playback on the h120 is actually almost watchable |
| 12:57:48 | pondlife | Any playback gurus around? |
| 12:58:13 | pondlife | I'm wondering why audio_update_trackinfo() does CUR_TI->id3.elapsed = 0 (and .offset = 0) |
| 12:58:26 | pondlife | It seems an odd place to update the track structures |
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| 13:04:55 | jhMikeS | pondlife: why ever ask the question "I'm wondering why playback <insert thing the raises eyebrow here>"? :) |
| 13:06:28 | * | jhMikeS is wondering why playback.c ever cares about folders and playlists and now cuesheets. hrm. |
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| 13:11:22 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Because I'm highly tempted to remove it!! |
| 13:11:35 | pondlife | Sorry, been on the phone |
| 13:12:20 | pondlife | I am still seeing an intermittent case of the wrong ID3 data being displayed, and am attempting to investigate |
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| 13:21:06 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Nice work on the gigabeat lcd_yuv_split - do you fancy adapting it to other ARM targets? Or at least the Sansa, which afaik should be almost identical. |
| 13:21:12 | linuxstb | s/split/blit/ |
| 13:22:21 | jhMikeS | I think it should easily adapt to any ARM |
| 13:24:00 | jhMikeS | It's tough to do that sans Sansa though not being able to actually run it and be sure the pointers are set right |
| 13:24:34 | B4gder | we'd love to buy you one... .-) |
| 13:24:34 | linuxstb | But at 40fps, seems there could be room for some scaling on the gigabeat... Would be nice to be able to play native VCD files (352x240 for NTSC) correctly. |
| 13:24:54 | jhMikeS | hmmm...I'd like to have one then...:) |
| 13:25:47 | jhMikeS | I'm sure the gigabeat and probably and other arm stuff should have a lot more potential...coldfire as well imho |
| 13:26:38 | B4gder | ok, I can talk to Zagor about some funding |
| 13:26:52 | jhMikeS | thanks |
| 13:27:05 | linuxstb | Do many devs have Sansas with the FM chip? |
| 13:27:42 | jhMikeS | getting one with all the stuff would be good so there's nothing I can't work on...but I won't be too picky |
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| 13:28:04 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Which part of the world are you from? |
| 13:28:14 | jhMikeS | Michigan, USA |
| 13:28:37 | linuxstb | Ah, then I don't think it's a problem. I think it's just the European models which lack FM. |
| 13:29:17 | linuxstb | You could give yourself a challenge and get a Rhapsody model... |
| 13:29:18 | jhMikeS | btw, there's probably a bit more hiding in that yuv blit, it is the first major bit of arm code i've written |
| 13:29:26 | jhMikeS | what's the differece? |
| 13:29:41 | pondlife | Rhapsody = DRM? |
| 13:30:00 | jhMikeS | oh, right...DRM...I don't think about that too much |
| 13:30:19 | pondlife | Have fun finding a buffer overflow to use :) |
| 13:31:44 | jhMikeS | hehe...finding buffer overflows is not the most exiting task |
| 13:32:30 | B4gder | linuxstb: i believe there are a few devs owning sansa with FM chip, both dan_a and barry do I believe |
| 13:32:55 | B4gder | i sent one of mine to dan_a |
| 13:33:39 | pondlife | "one of mine" ... :) |
| 13:34:13 | B4gder | technically they aren't really mine of course |
| 13:35:59 | barrywardell | my sansa has an FM chip |
| 13:37:16 | * | safetydan watches halftone dithered mpeg video |
| 13:38:33 | Nico_P | pixelma: I've seen your report that the latest tracker version of my patch still crashed on your M5... I'll look at it a bit later today |
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| 13:41:39 | petur | ho |
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| 13:48:06 | safetydan | Well dithered mpeg playback on a H120 leads to some good results. Looks almost as good as using the gray library but seems faster. |
| 13:48:41 | GodEater_ | I need to encode something other that TED to watch =/ |
| 13:52:00 | safetydan | There's got to be a faster way to do lcd_setpixel on a grayscale target... |
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| 14:07:01 | * | amiconn still thinks using rvf on grayscale would be best |
| 14:07:38 | XavierGr | rvf video on grayscale is pretty forward |
| 14:07:46 | amiconn | It'll be blazingly fast and look even better than the grayscale lib (because it's pre-dithered with virtually unlimited levels) |
| 14:07:51 | XavierGr | I managed to compile the tools to make fullscreen videos for my H100 too |
| 14:07:57 | XavierGr | but the sound is another issue |
| 14:08:19 | safetydan | rvf would most certainly be better. I just wanted to play around with dithering it. |
| 14:08:50 | XavierGr | from what I understand on hwtargets you just call mp3_play_data feeding it with the mp3 buffer on the rvf video and it plays fine |
| 14:09:13 | XavierGr | but I guess that on swtargets you have to decode the mp3 data then feed the decoded data to pcm_play_data |
| 14:09:34 | amiconn | yes |
| 14:10:02 | XavierGr | I might play with it on one of these days but I don't know a thing on how to do that |
| 14:10:15 | XavierGr | it might need an audio thread to decode the data just like mpeg player |
| 14:10:44 | XavierGr | surely out of my league but it would be fun to try nonetheless |
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| 14:11:56 | safetydan | ah well, that's enough tinkering with useless things tonight |
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| 14:21:51 | jmbattle | evening chaps |
| 14:21:54 | daurn | Bagder about? |
| 14:22:33 | B4gder | slightly around, yes |
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| 14:24:58 | B4gder | yeps |
| 14:25:09 | B4gder | and still do actually :-) |
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| 14:27:00 | B4gder | I'm not really able to talk a lot right now anyway, this is my first day at a new project and customer. I better get some results instead :-) |
| 14:27:08 | jmbattle | are there any plans to add anti-aliasing support to the WPS fonts? |
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| 14:29:40 | GodEater_ | jmbattle: not that I'm aware of no |
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| 14:31:49 | ep0ch | hi... i have an idea of a project for the summer of code |
| 14:32:27 | B4gder | too late! |
| 14:32:31 | ep0ch | d'oh |
| 14:32:34 | ep0ch | next year then |
| 14:32:49 | ep0ch | anyway |
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| 14:33:54 | ep0ch | basically i'd like rockbox not just as firmware but as an app!!! i'm about to get a symbian phone and would love to see it as an application for that |
| 14:33:55 | GodEater_ | any news on which ones Google is green lighting for us Bagder ? |
| 14:34:17 | GodEater_ | ep0ch: that's been suggested before |
| 14:34:27 | ep0ch | what were peoples thoughts? |
| 14:34:32 | B4gder | godeater: april 11 is the magic date |
| 14:34:42 | B4gder | daurn: yes indeed |
| 14:34:48 | GodEater_ | ep0ch: everything from "that will be really difficult" to "hahahahaha. No." |
| 14:35:07 | ep0ch | shame... would be great |
| 14:35:14 | linuxstb | ep0ch: I would be keen to see that... |
| 14:35:21 | GodEater_ | yeah it would be nice |
| 14:35:24 | ep0ch | we have software codecs now |
| 14:35:26 | GodEater_ | I already have a symbian phone |
| 14:35:38 | linuxstb | Not for Symbian, but as a desktop app. |
| 14:35:57 | GodEater_ | I'm not sure what's required for building stuff for Symbian |
| 14:36:04 | GodEater_ | I think most things run as java apps on it |
| 14:36:08 | GodEater_ | but I could be wrong |
| 14:36:10 | linuxstb | Blood, sweat and tears the time I tried... |
| 14:36:24 | B4gder | daurn: "curl http://... | yourprogram" |
| 14:36:42 | ep0ch | i think the closest thing to rockbox on symbian is this http://symbianoggplay.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 14:36:45 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: I can only imagine |
| 14:37:00 | GodEater_ | I know quite a few people that work for symbian. I'll ask them what's involved. |
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| 14:38:02 | GodEater_ | I don't think it'll be a small project though |
| 14:38:02 | ep0ch | but i don't think oggplay does gapless |
| 14:38:09 | linuxstb | I think ideally you would rewrite the apps/gui/ code to use native UI widgets for the target operating system. |
| 14:38:11 | Llorean | linuxstb: Added a bit to the bugs listing in the PluginMpegplayer page, including a note on some similarities between how people have described some of them to me. |
| 14:38:52 | ep0ch | linuxstb: i disagree, i think it should be the same as the rockbox ui |
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| 14:39:01 | ep0ch | ep0ch: but hey :) |
| 14:39:28 | B4gder | daurn: to me you seem to be explaining how CGIs work |
| 14:39:37 | B4gder | nothing involves curl there |
| 14:40:13 | * | GodEater_ wonders if B4gder is talking to himself |
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| 14:40:32 | * | linuxstb was wondering that... |
| 14:40:43 | B4gder | sorry |
| 14:40:49 | petur | mixing PM and #rockbox :) |
| 14:41:06 | B4gder | I'm not used to this silly web irc thing |
| 14:41:42 | Llorean | Just to let everyone know, I'll be away from home until Friday. I'll have internet, and do my best to check up on at least the Summer of Code stuff, but beyond that I don't know how my schedule's going to allow for other things. |
| 14:41:49 | GodEater_ | I even checked to see if I'd accidentally ignored someone! |
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| 14:42:26 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: did you see my PM earlier ? |
| 14:44:46 | B4gder | I like how google thinks I'm in Denmark and gives me google.dk on danish... |
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| 14:46:50 | ep0ch | can i ask that 'rockbox as an application' is considered for a brief discussion at devcon? |
| 14:47:35 | petur | time to start editing the agenda ;) |
| 14:47:42 | B4gder | ep0ch: isn't that "just" to buld a simulator on that particular OS? |
| 14:48:00 | daurn | petur: then he started doing it the other way around ;) |
| 14:48:12 | linuxstb | ep0ch: AFAIK, you can run SDL on at least some Symbian targets.... |
| 14:49:22 | ep0ch | B4dger: well... i was thinking of a more native solution |
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| 14:49:25 | Llorean | B4gder: Well, then perhaps "Making the simulator have the same playback functionality as a target" since I believe it still lacks certain things? |
| 14:49:47 | ise | Hey is jhulst in here? |
| 14:50:38 | daurn | ise: do you see him? |
| 14:50:49 | B4gder | llorean: ah, true |
| 14:53:47 | ise | no i don't, didnt know if he'd use the same name though so thought id put that out there |
| 14:54:10 | ise | anybody else working on the Zen Vision:M port? Because I have some information on the DM320 |
| 14:54:31 | Llorean | ise: Generally information should be added to the appropriate wiki page. |
| 14:54:51 | ise | yes but im not too sure what I've found |
| 14:55:11 | ise | I've been PM'ing jhulst, we've been going over various code, he said he can be found in here sometimes |
| 14:55:34 | ise | no matter, my bad, my appologies if I disturbed anyone. I shall contact him another time |
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| 14:57:45 | B4gder | ? a good web server should send the response chunked |
| 14:57:51 | B4gder | now that's it |
| 14:58:03 | B4gder | no mor PM for me in this crappy client |
| 14:58:07 | Llorean | Hahaha |
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| 15:06:00 | markun | pearldiver: you there? |
| 15:06:54 | pearldiver | yes, i just compiled |
| 15:07:05 | pearldiver | (vmware finally hehe) |
| 15:08:12 | pondlife | Llorean: What playback functionality is missing from the sim? |
| 15:08:29 | pondlife | Volume control |
| 15:08:33 | pondlife | is all I can think of |
| 15:08:58 | Llorean | pondlife: I'm not really sure, I've just head about it. |
| 15:09:04 | pondlife | Just wondered |
| 15:09:12 | Llorean | pondlife: Volume control is a pretty important one though. |
| 15:09:19 | markun | pearldiver: so is it faster with vmware? |
| 15:09:19 | pondlife | Indeed! |
| 15:09:37 | pearldiver | markun takes less than 4 minutes |
| 15:09:53 | * | pondlife has a multimedia keyboard with volume control buttons... |
| 15:10:27 | pearldiver | markun, "green stuff" is almost gone |
| 15:10:34 | pearldiver | i can still see it's borders |
| 15:10:38 | markun | pearldiver: ok, better post that image somewhere |
| 15:10:46 | markun | that file I mean |
| 15:10:50 | pearldiver | hold on |
| 15:10:58 | markun | I can host it if you want |
| 15:10:59 | Llorean | pondlife: Also, I'm not sure an Application-type Rockbox build needs plugin support, or really much of the existing UI beyond perhaps the WPS. As was said earlier, the native UI widgets are probably better. |
| 15:11:11 | pearldiver | now the green stuff is randomly everywhere |
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| 15:11:34 | markun | and in players on your PC it looks fine? |
| 15:12:06 | pearldiver | yes |
| 15:12:26 | pondlife | Llorean: True. Although I really like the sim - I'd just like an always on top option. |
| 15:12:37 | pondlife | And a "no console window" option too. |
| 15:14:08 | pearldiver | also 29.97 playback became sort of not smooth at all |
| 15:15:04 | amiconn | pondlife: The console window isn't easily switchable (on windows). It's a compile-time thing |
| 15:15:56 | pondlife | It was added fairly recently though..? |
| 15:16:01 | pondlife | Past 6 months or so |
| 15:16:23 | pondlife | It's useful when debugging, I don't mind it much |
| 15:16:35 | Llorean | pearldiver: Are you using it with the most recent updates, the new YUB blit? |
| 15:16:38 | Llorean | YUV |
| 15:16:54 | pearldiver | yes |
| 15:17:04 | pearldiver | compiled a minute ago |
| 15:17:12 | Llorean | amiconn: This was discussion as an option to build Rockbox as an actual application. For use on its own, rather than as a sim. |
| 15:17:30 | Llorean | Since it wouldn't serve dual purposes, you could have that at compile time anyway. |
| 15:17:51 | Llorean | pearldiver: Odd, I just tested an official build, and it gets up to 38fps at least at 320x240 |
| 15:18:35 | amiconn | pondlife: The console window itself is a rather old thing. It disappeared first with the Win32->SDL move, then I made it work again because it's useful for debugging |
| 15:19:10 | pearldiver | Llorean its not that it cannot keep up |
| 15:19:21 | pearldiver | it just feels sort of...jumpy |
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| 15:19:27 | amiconn | Unfortunately SDL for windows cannot log to the console where it was started from unless you compile as a console application and disable the SDL console hack |
| 15:19:37 | Llorean | pearldiver: It's always felt a bit jumpy to me, with actual 29.97 files |
| 15:19:44 | markun | pearldiver: I think I had that too with one file |
| 15:19:49 | Llorean | pearldiver: Remember, the screen only updates at 25, so you're going to get some jumps |
| 15:19:52 | amiconn | But then a console app will open an own console window unless you start it from a console |
| 15:22:27 | pondlife | I think I first built a sim when it was broken then...! |
| 15:22:46 | pondlife | But it's very useful for debugging, so no worries |
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| 15:34:32 | petur | hmmmm drm-free AAC at 256Kbps... finally something positive from apple |
| 15:36:12 | lex | what :O |
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| 15:36:25 | petur | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04/02/apple_emi_drm/ |
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| 15:38:28 | lex | :o |
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| 15:48:07 | GodEater_ | petur: I thought that was an April Fool when I read it yesterday |
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| 15:50:51 | petur | GodEater_: doesn't really look like it.... it's posted today, not april 1 |
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| 16:03:44 | GodEater_ | petur: yeah I read the same thing though elsewhere. The posting time was like 11:57pm so I was thinking it was a late April Fool. |
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| 16:30:47 | perl|work | what the hell, emi's dropping drm |
| 16:31:51 | perl|work | markun? |
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| 16:36:43 | markun | perl|work: I'm here |
| 16:36:51 | markun | didn't get any email |
| 16:37:17 | perl|work | ok, hold on |
| 16:42:21 | * | Nico_P just got a mail from iriver : new HDD and new batt in the H320 :) |
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| 16:43:08 | petur | warranty? |
| 16:43:13 | Nico_P | petur: yes |
| 16:43:18 | petur | nice |
| 16:43:22 | Nico_P | just before it expired |
| 16:43:32 | petur | lucky you |
| 16:44:18 | Nico_P | now I need to decide what to do with it... keep it or sell it |
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| 16:55:38 | pondlife | Nico_P: How long does the warranty last? 1 year? |
| 16:55:51 | Nico_P | pondlife: in Europe it's 2 |
| 16:56:01 | pondlife | Hmm, not in the UK apparently |
| 16:56:06 | Nico_P | ah |
| 16:56:26 | pondlife | Did you buy it direct? |
| 16:56:31 | Nico_P | mine ends on the 17th so I sent my h320 back a few weeks ago |
| 16:56:40 | Nico_P | pondlife: what do you mean ? |
| 16:57:04 | pondlife | Did you originally buy the H320 from Iriver? |
| 16:57:28 | Nico_P | no, from an online shop |
| 16:57:57 | pondlife | So did you go back to Iriver for warranty support, or through the retailer? |
| 16:58:12 | Nico_P | pondlife: I contecated iriver directly |
| 16:58:21 | Nico_P | contacted* |
| 16:58:22 | pondlife | Ah, I might do a similar thing. |
| 16:58:50 | Nico_P | pondlife: http://www.iriver.eu.com/support.html?&L=0 |
| 16:59:08 | pondlife | LinusN has successfully repaired it now though |
| 16:59:41 | pondlife | According to advancedmp3players (the retailer) I only had 1 years warranty. |
| 16:59:42 | Nico_P | I had already done this before with the same player... it's the second time my HDD fails |
| 16:59:54 | Nico_P | but this time the battery was the primary cause |
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| 17:00:20 | pondlife | If the HD failed, I'd probably go for a 60 or 80G replacement, but a bad battery or UDA.... |
| 17:00:24 | Nico_P | pondlife: have you checked the warranty card in the box ? |
| 17:01:06 | pondlife | I didn't see one |
| 17:01:37 | pondlife | I never registered the purchase either. |
| 17:01:45 | Nico_P | both the battery and the HDD were failing, so I thought I'd send it before the end of the warranty t try to get free replacements... I was a bit lucky because I had opened the device and they didn't say anything |
| 17:01:48 | pondlife | If there was a registration card! |
| 17:01:55 | Nico_P | pondlife: I didn't either |
| 17:02:11 | pondlife | Well I'd opened mine too... |
| 17:02:25 | pondlife | A neat job, no external marks. |
| 17:02:51 | pondlife | But there was a bit of glue that might have been a seal inside. |
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| 17:03:27 | pondlife | Never mind, it's fixed now.. but perhaps I could have saved Linus the time. |
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| 17:03:29 | beanz | Hi. Is there some way a potential rockbox user can try out rockbox before installing it? is there a demo of the playlist manangement feature? |
| 17:04:10 | Nico_P | beanz: no, but the simulator for your target will probably be what you want |
| 17:04:33 | Domonoky | or read the manual, there are many pictures :-) |
| 17:05:15 | beanz | Ah the simulator looks interesting. The killer features of rockbox seem to be longer battery life and the playlist editor, I was looking for a quick intro that's all. |
| 17:05:20 | beanz | But I will check the simulator :) |
| 17:05:27 | pondlife | beanz: Which device? |
| 17:05:45 | beanz | I haven't bought one yet. |
| 17:05:49 | pondlife | Battery life is decidedly shorter on some targets (e.g. ipods) |
| 17:05:55 | beanz | ah |
| 17:05:59 | pondlife | At the moment, anyway |
| 17:06:20 | beanz | I was looking for something around 60 gigs, but there don't seem to be many (I don't want video). |
| 17:06:22 | Nico_P | beanz: currently, THE rockbox target is the gigabeat |
| 17:06:22 | pondlife | It's longer on the Iriver H300 series, and probably most non-PortalPlayer devices |
| 17:06:38 | pondlife | What's battery like on that? |
| 17:07:02 | Nico_P | pondlife: it's not really better than on the OF but stll good, I hear... about 19 hrs I think |
| 17:07:20 | Nico_P | I've never had any problems with it |
| 17:07:34 | pondlife | That's plenty for me too |
| 17:07:43 | Domonoky | i think the best is the Thoshiba m5l with something like 40-50h playback.. :-) |
| 17:07:54 | beanz | How big do the gigabeat players come? |
| 17:08:05 | Nico_P | Domonoky: you probably mean the iAudio M5L ? |
| 17:08:30 | Nico_P | beanz: big how ? HDD space ? |
| 17:08:30 | Domonoky | oh sorry, yes its iAudio |
| 17:08:43 | beanz | Nico_P: yes |
| 17:08:58 | Nico_P | beanz: I think you can get up to 60 GB |
| 17:09:16 | beanz | I will take a look. |
| 17:09:19 | beanz | Thanks very much :) |
| 17:09:27 | amiconn | M5L is only available as 20GB |
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| 17:09:56 | pondlife | The F60 seems to have a quoted battery life of 15-16h |
| 17:10:40 | pondlife | Ah, can someone (Nico_P?) perhaps check my recent commit doesn't result in unexpected spin-ups to read ID3 data... |
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| 17:11:18 | Nico_P | pondlife: I'll have a look |
| 17:11:43 | pondlife | It seems ok, but on the sim it's hard to tell. It certainly fixes the problem I've been having for 3 months! |
| 17:11:56 | Nico_P | pondlife: which problem was that ? |
| 17:12:20 | Nico_P | I don't finc the commit message very clear... |
| 17:13:16 | pondlife | Hmm, it was hard to describe. Basically if you have 32 tracks buffered then it occasionally displayed old details on the WPS. |
| 17:13:26 | pondlife | And used old track length info etc. |
| 17:13:35 | Nico_P | ok |
| 17:13:43 | pondlife | Not very common unless you have low bitrate or mono files of course |
| 17:14:05 | pondlife | So I've invalidated the tag data when it starts to buffer a new file |
| 17:14:34 | amiconn | MoB .... |
| 17:14:59 | pondlife | Indeed |
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| 17:15:08 | pondlife | But this annoyed the hell out of me, so... |
| 17:15:17 | pondlife | Sadly I couldn't do MoB in 20 mins. |
| 17:15:56 | pondlife | Hmm, the Gigabeat reviews often comment on poor sound quality. Is this an issue, or perhaps firmware related? |
| 17:16:43 | markun | pondlife: I think it's firmware related |
| 17:16:48 | pondlife | Great |
| 17:17:06 | pondlife | So Rockbox fixes most of the "Cons"... |
| 17:17:09 | * | amiconn wonders whether that's really the case |
| 17:17:17 | markun | as people were almost going crazy when they heard the sound from version 3 of the OF |
| 17:17:41 | pondlife | Several reviews mention "Lack of bass" in particular |
| 17:17:58 | pondlife | Or over-quiet sound regardless of headphones |
| 17:18:09 | markun | amiconn: I'm not saying that it's the best sounding player, but people stopped complaining after the 3.0 firmware. |
| 17:18:15 | amiconn | For some reason the sound quality of all the swcodec targets, although differing between those targets itself, isn't quite as good as on the MAS targets |
| 17:18:47 | amiconn | Comparing the swcodec I know myself, H1x0/H300 are the worst |
| 17:19:00 | markun | at least the headphone out |
| 17:19:09 | amiconn | ..comparing headphone out, yes |
| 17:19:09 | pondlife | Funny - I was just typing "As long as it's at least as good as an H300" |
| 17:19:18 | pondlife | Line out for me |
| 17:19:41 | amiconn | At home I use s/pdif out on H180, so that's a non-issue there |
| 17:19:49 | markun | linuxstb: what do you think of the Gigabeat sound compared to your other players? |
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| 17:20:21 | markun | pondlife: you could also ask Llorean and LinusN to compare |
| 17:20:52 | Nico_P | I honestly couldn't say |
| 17:21:14 | Nico_P | maybe once I get my H320 back I'll compare |
| 17:21:53 | pondlife | I'd be interested. Hopefully my H340 will last a while yet, but I'm on the lookout for the next generation... |
| 17:21:54 | * | moos have to admit that ondio sounds better than iriver and iaudio, for him |
| 17:22:05 | markun | at least to me my F40 doesn't sound bad at all |
| 17:22:18 | Nico_P | same here |
| 17:22:19 | * | amiconn agrees with moos on that |
| 17:22:36 | Febs | Of course, let us not forget that Rockbox in general sounds like a bag of shit. |
| 17:22:42 | Febs | :) |
| 17:22:49 | pondlife | True :) |
| 17:22:50 | moos | hehe :) |
| 17:22:57 | markun | completely forgot about that :) |
| 17:23:01 | amiconn | The iAudios are the best sounding swcodec among my collection, but MAS35xxF is still better |
| 17:23:07 | linuxstb | markun: The gigabeat sounds nice. I haven't done any proper tests, but I would rate my ipod 5g top out of that ipod, my ipod Photo and my h140. The gigabeat is at least as good as the 5g, maybe better. |
| 17:23:20 | pondlife | My Archos Recorder V1 had audible hard drive noise on playback |
| 17:23:23 | moos | amiconn: same here |
| 17:23:28 | amiconn | Then I don't know the gigabeat |
| 17:25:23 | perl|work | linuxstb uh oh |
| 17:25:46 | perl|work | ipod, be it 4g or 5g, has nothing on gigabeat in term of sound quality |
| 17:25:50 | perl|work | literally nothing |
| 17:25:56 | perl|work | its like heaven and hell |
| 17:26:25 | markun | personally I doubt the difference will be very big for me |
| 17:26:48 | perl|work | it takes a pair of decent headphones |
| 17:29:16 | markun | perl|work: maybe it's just that the ipods can't drive your decent headphones? |
| 17:29:25 | linuxstb | perl|work: I'll do a comparison with my ER4s and let you know. |
| 17:29:46 | perl|work | markun they cant even drive the mid class |
| 17:29:52 | * | pixelma fully agrees on the statement about sound quality on Ondio and Iaudio - even if it's a bit late :) |
| 17:30:43 | perl|work | markun original firmware sounds like somebody was trying to make a joke |
| 17:30:52 | markun | of the ipod? |
| 17:30:58 | perl|work | with rockbox, at least, with a lot of tweaking, its better |
| 17:31:01 | perl|work | yes, ipod |
| 17:35:05 | perl|work | maybe i havent heard enough hardware players (but i did hear x5, 3 different ipods and bunch of non rockboxed ones) but gigabeat is amazing sounding one |
| 17:35:37 | perl|work | be it headphones or proper hi fi system |
| 17:35:40 | Nico_P | pondlife: I don't see any shocking unusual disk activity |
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| 17:37:47 | Nico_P | pondlife: but don't rely on this alone |
| 17:38:23 | Nico_P | pixelma: just tested an X5 sim... I get the crash too so it should be easy to debug :) |
| 17:38:35 | Nico_P | s/X5/M5 |
| 17:38:37 | pondlife | The sim shows each file being opened 3 times, but I don't think this is new.. it's playlist_peek mainly |
| 17:38:44 | pondlife | Am looking into it... |
| 17:40:59 | pondlife | Well, it was not a result of my commit at least |
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| 17:42:57 | pixelma | pondlife: that's with his tokenizer patch |
| 17:43:57 | pondlife | No, I meant the 3 file opens was not new... |
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| 17:46:05 | Nico_P | pixelma: I solved the bug... it was one that only appeared recently |
| 17:47:28 | Nico_P | pixelma: would you agree to do a quick test, just to confir it's fixed ? |
| 17:47:34 | Nico_P | confirm* |
| 17:47:56 | pixelma | sure I'll try - but somethings not quite working as it should when loading the metadata isn't quite new - have that on Ondio ever since |
| 17:49:20 | Nico_P | hmm what I just solved isn't related to metadata |
| 17:49:40 | Nico_P | you said you wre seeing garbage when the metadata isn't reday ? |
| 17:51:08 | pixelma | maybe these are really two different things because the first version worked on M5... just thought that the crash is related because it displayed everything else in the wps fine ... |
| 17:52:06 | pixelma | ...on Ondio you can see a few characters displayed for a very short time before the actual tag info is available - too short to really recognise something |
| 17:52:36 | Nico_P | I might have an idea about that |
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| 17:56:33 | pixelma | Nico_P... against what svn revision was the patch made? |
| 17:56:51 | Nico_P | pixelma: 13001 I think |
| 17:57:00 | Nico_P | fuzz is normal |
| 17:57:21 | pixelma | yepp... but there are also failed hunks |
| 17:57:48 | pixelma | most probably pondlife's commit (did an svn up before) |
| 17:59:09 | Nico_P | this one works for me after having reverted my tree |
| 17:59:28 | Nico_P | and it also includes a possible fix for the garbage on your ondio |
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| 18:02:44 | pixelma | sorry, I'm still confused - which revision should I use now? |
| 18:02:56 | amiconn | Nico_P: Btw, hwcodec sims simulate at least loading of the track and advancing playtime. They don't actually play and also don't detect end-of-track. Skipping is possible |
| 18:03:10 | amiconn | After fixing, progressbars do work in svn player sim too |
| 18:03:57 | Nico_P | pixelma: latest should be fine |
| 18:04:02 | Nico_P | 13001 |
| 18:04:55 | Nico_P | amiconn: yes, I've included your changes in my patch, both progressbars work fine now |
| 18:05:32 | amiconn | I've broken them in my full unicode support commits, and didn't notice earlier because I usually don't use them |
| 18:05:59 | * | amiconn also thinks they're coded in a particularly cumbersome way |
| 18:06:44 | Nico_P | amiconn: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6820 |
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| 18:07:23 | Nico_P | is it related ? |
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| 18:26:45 | pixelma | Nico_P: when compiling your latest version for the Ondio (target) I get 3 warnings about "align.left may be used uninitialized in this function" (align.center /align.right too) ... doesn't happen with the M5 build |
| 18:27:13 | pixelma | in gui/gwps-common.c:1786 |
| 18:27:27 | Nico_P | ok, i'll fix those, thanks |
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| 18:29:05 | pixelma | ah didn't see it before... in function "gui_wps_refresh" |
| 18:33:00 | Nico_P | pixelma: didn't see what ? |
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| 18:34:16 | pixelma | in which function the warnings were |
| 18:34:24 | Nico_P | ok |
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| 18:37:00 | pixelma | ok - no crash on M5 anymore |
| 18:37:48 | Nico_P | cool |
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| 18:42:56 | pixelma | Nico_P: the garbage on Ondio is gone too. I also tried with active memory guard which gave me crashes with error message before - that also worked |
| 18:43:13 | pixelma | (on both targets) |
| 18:43:14 | pondlife | Hmm ,why does a logf build include the logf/logfdump options in both the System and Debug menus...? |
| 18:43:36 | Nico_P | pixelma: That means I was right about what caused the crash :D |
| 18:43:42 | Nico_P | pixelma: thanks a lot for your testing |
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| 18:56:32 | amiconn | Nico_P: It may be related, but not the same thing. This report is from before my first changes regarding player lcd |
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| 18:57:03 | Nico_P | amiconn: ok |
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| 18:57:15 | pondlife | Hmm, why the red? |
| 18:57:37 | pondlife | "WARNING: The compiler you must use (m68k-elf-gcc) is not in your path!" |
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| 18:58:11 | amiconn | Because kermit has obviously gone mad and lost his m68k-elf-gcc |
| 18:58:15 | amiconn | B4gder? |
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| 19:28:19 | ice | good evening |
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| 19:42:38 | bluebrother | hmm. Another task I'm wondering if it's of any use: FS #6959 |
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| 19:44:19 | toni1 | dan_a: Are you still working on the sansa? |
| 19:45:07 | dan_a | toni1: i've had some health problems and have had no time for rockbox at all |
| 19:45:54 | toni1 | ok, don't worry. Did you see my workaround for the sound improvement? |
| 19:46:22 | dan_a | i did - where you stop flushing the cache in the LCD driver? |
| 19:47:23 | toni1 | yes exactly, that seems to solve the problem. better solution would of cause be dma-ing the audio data, but it may be difficult? |
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| 19:49:47 | dan_a | That needs someone to get their head round the DMA hardware - there is a description of how the Sansa uses it in MrH's NAND interface docs. DMA'd audio would be good for all the PP targets, I imagine. |
| 19:50:56 | dan_a | I don't really like the idea of not flushing the cache when it is actually needed for the display to work properly - a better solution would be to find out how to only flush the framebuffer cache, or have the framebuffer in uncached RAM |
| 19:52:06 | toni1 | I think the OF does it in the same way we do: use cached data without flushing, but there is no clear_screen() function. |
| 19:52:30 | toni1 | So simply update the necessary region. |
| 19:54:25 | toni1 | And they very rarely stop dma-ing. I measured 6mA less current when LCD_REG_6 was xored with 1. |
| 19:54:26 | dan_a | if we write to &(framebuffer+64MB) then that should be an alias of the framebuffer which does not get cached |
| 19:55:15 | toni1 | that simple? |
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| 19:56:02 | pixelma | bluebrother: afaik "current dir" works there though I haven't tried lately and especially not with "recording screen as startup" option |
| 19:56:22 | toni1 | dan_a: Another topic: I tried latest mpegplayer and still get the hiss sound. |
| 19:57:15 | dan_a | I'd not noticed any hissing, but I've not been following Rockbox for a couple of weeks |
| 19:57:42 | toni1 | It's only with the mpegplayer. |
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| 20:00:50 | toni1 | It seems to be related to a memory problem. I suspect an overwriting of some table entries in the audio codec, because even after deactivating the video-thread the hiss remains. |
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| 20:02:52 | dan_a | that's weird... hopefully in a week or so i'll be able to get hacking on it again |
| 20:03:51 | toni1 | That would be very good indeed. |
| 20:04:41 | pixelma | bluebrother: ah no... somehow I misunderstood... since it's not remembered over reboots in what directory you were in it couldn't work |
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| 20:05:59 | linuxstb | toni1: Do I remember correctly that you said you found a strange way to fix the audio problems in mpegplayer on the Sansa? Moving something to or from IRAM? |
| 20:06:44 | linuxstb | It sounds like the same problem I experienced for a short time on my ipod - moving some variables out of IRAM fixed it for my ipod, but it sounds like it didn't fix it everywhere... |
| 20:06:55 | toni1 | yes, that was one way to solve the problem. Another solution was to add some global dummy variables. |
| 20:08:16 | toni1 | Maybe a 'wild pointer' writes into the audio codec tables? |
| 20:08:41 | linuxstb | It's possible. |
| 20:08:50 | amiconn | Too bad we don't have memory guard for PP |
| 20:09:09 | toni1 | :-) |
| 20:09:30 | linuxstb | toni1: Is your emulator still lacking COP support? |
| 20:10:11 | toni1 | yes, I stopped development there, because working on the real device is more fun. |
| 20:10:17 | amiconn | On SH it already helped me tracking down some overwriting bugs with some trickery (i.e. protecting the area that shouldn't be overwritten, in order to see which part of the code does it) |
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| 20:11:04 | amiconn | E.g the crash in chopper.rock (which only crashed on archos but had an overwriting bug on all targets, just that it didn't hit that hard on the others) |
| 20:13:15 | toni1 | amiconn: If we only knew which table is affected. I remember there are a lot in the mpa codec. |
| 20:14:04 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I've just tested your gigabeat lcd_yuv_blit - my hardest test file (a 1150kbit/s 352x240 VCD file) played at around 19fps before your change, and is now around 26fps... |
| 20:14:09 | toni1 | Or it might be possible to check the whole region. |
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| 20:14:55 | perl|work | linuxstb, jhMikeS: do you want my "green", jumpy video? |
| 20:15:43 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: But it's a 29.97fps file, so still some work to do ;) |
| 20:16:10 | linuxstb | perl|work: I'm always happy to accept test videos... |
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| 20:16:23 | perl|work | hold on |
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| 20:17:59 | amiconn | linuxstb: Does mpegplayer use mpa.codec or a linked copy of libmad? |
| 20:19:32 | linuxstb | a linked copy of libmad |
| 20:20:36 | lex | forums.rockbox.org down? ;( |
| 20:20:43 | lex | Sorry, SMF was unable to connect to the database. This may be caused by the server being busy. Please try again later. |
| 20:20:46 | lex | actually mysql only then |
| 20:21:42 | lex | yay it works |
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| 20:23:02 | amiconn | linuxstb: Then the reason for the hiss can't be that it's overwriting tables in libmad - unless it writes way outside its own area right into the codec ram |
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| 20:23:09 | lex | not anymore |
| 20:23:43 | amiconn | (and a reload of mpa.codec, by playing a non-mpa track followed by an mpa track should fix the hiss if that's the case) |
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| 20:23:54 | bennyhinn | ive got a gigabeat F20 but this rockbox business has interested me |
| 20:24:41 | Alonea | bennyhinn: its completely awesome. I got a F40 |
| 20:25:00 | bennyhinn | ive got a very old firmware version on this beat and im lookin to upgrade |
| 20:25:28 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'm not following, mpegplayer links with libmad - it doesn't use mpa.codec... |
| 20:25:43 | amiconn | yes |
| 20:26:04 | amiconn | [20:08:17] <toni1> Maybe a 'wild pointer' writes into the audio codec tables? |
| 20:26:39 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe I had a slight misunderstanding there |
| 20:26:49 | Alonea | bennyhinn: with rockbox you get a lot of nice stuff, like video (though its not perfect yet), games, gameboy (and color) emu., text viewer, etc. Its easy to put on (as long as you follow the instructions and don't do things that were never said to do in the manual) and you can always go back to your old firmware. |
| 20:27:09 | linuxstb | I assume toni1 meant the libmad parts of mpegplayer. |
| 20:27:11 | bennyhinn | is rockbox user friendly |
| 20:27:16 | amiconn | I thought he meant the hiss remains after quitting mpegplayer, but he just said it remained when deactivating the video thread |
| 20:27:24 | bennyhinn | i would consider itunes to be extremely user friendly |
| 20:27:59 | linuxstb | itunes makes me angry and frustrated... I wouldn't call that friendly. |
| 20:28:38 | linuxstb | I would say Rockbox assumes a certain amount of computer literacy from its users though. |
| 20:29:01 | Alonea | same here. I like rockbox just fine and find it easy to use. and like I said, you can try it out for a while and if you don't like it, then go back to original. |
| 20:29:36 | nls | or fix it ;-) |
| 20:29:41 | linuxstb | bennyhinn: But itunes is an application on your PC, Rockbox is a replacement firmware for your DAP. |
| 20:30:06 | amiconn | linuxstb: The tables should be easy to check with a bit of debug code in the core |
| 20:30:28 | amiconn | You know where they are from the map file |
| 20:30:58 | amiconn | Just dump them once from the core after loading mpegplayer but before running it, and a second time after quitting mpegplayer |
| 20:31:00 | bennyhinn | yeah but |
| 20:31:06 | amiconn | Compare the files |
| 20:31:29 | bennyhinn | what do you use to transfer files and stuf to rockbox - ie windows media player? |
| 20:32:05 | linuxstb | amiconn: That's a good idea. |
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| 20:32:26 | linuxstb | Although it only seems to be on the Sansa, and I don't have one. |
| 20:33:15 | amiconn | Hmm, perhaps it's not only on sansa |
| 20:33:24 | Alonea | bennyhinn: its drag and drop hun. like a hard drive. |
| 20:33:35 | amiconn | It might be though; afaik the sansa lcd_yuv_blit() does rotate (?) |
| 20:34:00 | bennyhinn | oh really? dont come more user friendly than that |
| 20:34:08 | bennyhinn | so its not in the traditional .sat format |
| 20:34:14 | Alonea | bennyhinn: you set up your folders how you want, like I have Music, Video, Books, and Gameboy folder as my organizational style. |
| 20:34:31 | Alonea | bennyhinn: nope, and if you need help converting those back to mp3, there is a way. |
| 20:34:56 | bennyhinn | wouldnt it be great, if there were some kind of hax to re-arrange the file structure to imitate an ipod, so you could use itunes, for your one stop media needs |
| 20:35:22 | nls | bennyhinn: there is |
| 20:35:32 | bennyhinn | no kidding? |
| 20:35:58 | nls | bennyhinn: http://ita.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 20:36:55 | bennyhinn | seems good, but is it a memory hog |
| 20:37:07 | GodEater | bennyhinn: not when I tried it |
| 20:37:16 | GodEater | barely registered in task manager |
| 20:37:22 | bennyhinn | i wouldve prefered a firmware u could put on ur gigabeat to make it compatible with itunes |
| 20:37:56 | bennyhinn | lets try this baby out |
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| 20:40:01 | linuxstb | bennyhinn: That's not possible - ipods respond to requests for identification info via the (software) USB connection. I don't think you could mimic that on the gigabeat. |
| 20:41:17 | petur | bah... .NET 2.0 bloatware |
| 20:42:06 | bennyhinn | oh |
| 20:42:43 | * | amiconn clearly prefers .net apps over java crap |
| 20:43:08 | * | petur prefers neither |
| 20:43:31 | bennyhinn | linuxstb does that mean this itunes agent thing wont work either |
| 20:43:48 | linuxstb | No, that itunes agent thing sits between itunes and your gigabeat. |
| 20:44:18 | bennyhinn | so that means yes it will work? |
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| 20:45:11 | JavaMan22 | how do you rate songs on rockbox? |
| 20:45:14 | JavaMan22 | i have a ipod video |
| 20:46:51 | bennyhinn | dag nammit |
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| 21:01:34 | bluebrother | JavaMan22: use the context menu from the wps |
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| 21:04:55 | JavaMan22 | ok |
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| 21:09:04 | JavaMan22 | it doesnt say anything |
| 21:09:09 | JavaMan22 | about rating |
| 21:09:42 | nls | JavaMan22: do you use the database and have "gather runtime data" enabled? |
| 21:10:15 | JavaMan22 | gather runtime data.. |
| 21:10:25 | JavaMan22 | ill make sure i have that enabled |
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| 21:39:16 | ise_ | jhulst: hey there, did you get my pm's about the neuros osd? |
| 21:39:56 | jhulst | ise_: yeah, I got one, was there more than that? |
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| 21:42:18 | toffe82 | jhulst: did you manage to connect the hd direct to a computer ? |
| 21:42:42 | ise_ | toffe82: i just replied to your forum post |
| 21:42:49 | ise_ | toffe82: have you read it? |
| 21:43:28 | toffe82 | not yet |
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| 21:44:55 | jhulst | toffe82: We haven't gotten the adapter yet |
| 21:45:05 | jhulst | sorry, meant for ise |
| 21:45:06 | toffe82 | ise_: you have an advantage on us with the gigabeat S30 , you have an updater you can debug so you can find how the program load the firmware on the zen |
| 21:45:39 | toffe82 | once you find this, you don't have to open anymore your zen |
| 21:46:07 | toffe82 | so you should be working on the updater |
| 21:46:22 | bennyhinn | oh |
| 21:46:26 | bennyhinn | can rockbox handle AAC |
| 21:46:34 | bennyhinn | the audio format |
| 21:46:39 | bennyhinn | (please say yes) |
| 21:47:55 | GodEater | yes |
| 21:48:09 | GodEater | only the un-DRM-crippled sort though |
| 21:48:19 | GodEater | i.e. not bought from iTunes |
| 21:48:35 | jhulst | ise_: What experience do you have? Programming? |
| 21:49:29 | toffe82 | jhulst, ise_ : to debug the updater you can use IDA pro or ollydbg (this one is free and really good) |
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| 21:50:20 | jhulst | toffe82: sounds good, thanks |
| 21:50:53 | ise_ | jhulst: My programming experience is from a fair fair number of years, I started on Basic and went mainly into web-based, php, mysql, xml, html, asp, etc etc. I do have an ability to pick up languages fairly quickly though and I already have a basic understanding of C++, Java, Delphi and others |
| 21:51:01 | bluebrother | bennyhinn: see the wiki, there is a page lising the supported codecs (SoundCodecs? AudioCodecs? Just search ...) |
| 21:51:14 | bennyhinn | crud |
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| 21:51:50 | ise_ | the updater? u mean the windows firewire updater I downloaded from the creative site? |
| 21:52:35 | perl|work | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs |
| 21:52:41 | bluebrother | bennyhinn: see here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs#Current_status |
| 21:52:50 | bennyhinn | hrmz |
| 21:53:14 | jhulst | ise_: Yes the firmware updater from Creative |
| 21:53:19 | ise_ | toffe82, jhulst: I'm assuming then that the two of you have the 30Gb version? |
| 21:53:32 | ise_ | toffe82, jhulst: Do you two not have that? |
| 21:53:41 | jhulst | toffe82: Toshiba hasn't released a firmware update for the Gigabeat? |
| 21:54:04 | jhulst | ise_: I have the 60 gb version, but the test player I got is 30 |
| 21:54:20 | ise_ | I too have the 60Gb version |
| 21:54:54 | ise_ | jhulst: I am just wondering what toffe82 was meaning before when he said I have an advantage on you with the gigabeat S30? |
| 21:55:02 | jhulst | ise_: I don't think toffe has one at all |
| 21:55:11 | jhulst | he is working on the gigabeat port |
| 21:55:17 | ise_ | ah i see |
| 21:55:30 | jhulst | sounds like they don't have a firmware update yet |
| 21:56:12 | ise_ | what OS you running? |
| 21:56:57 | jhulst | ise_: linux, It looks like I'm going to have to reinstall Windows, maybe a virtual machine but I don't know if that will work |
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| 21:57:40 | ise_ | which linux distro? I'm on PCLinuxOS, if you're on a Debian based one, you might want to try somet I have in mind |
| 21:58:17 | jhulst | Suse on my laptop, Gentoo on my desktop |
| 21:58:21 | jhulst | Whats your idea? |
| 21:58:42 | ise_ | Something I was reading on the Neuros OSD page about connecting to the chipset using minicom |
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| 22:00:12 | toffe82 | jhulst ise_ : you will need windows to analyze the updater, and I don't have a zen ;) |
| 22:00:12 | jhulst | do you have a link? More details? |
| 22:00:36 | toffe82 | just trying to help |
| 22:00:50 | ise_ | toffe82: well any help is appreciated |
| 22:01:01 | ise_ | jhulst: yeah gimme a sec, i'll find it. What's your experience? |
| 22:01:29 | saratoga | seems like you need a Windows hacker who can figure out what the firmware update program actually does |
| 22:02:34 | toffe82 | ise_: as we have the same problem on the gigabeat S , all what you find can benefit us ;) and vice versa |
| 22:02:46 | Bagder | ise_: they don't connect to the "chipset" |
| 22:02:59 | Bagder | the neuros OSD runs u-boot and linux so that's what you connect against |
| 22:03:12 | ise_ | yes Im just rereading the page |
| 22:03:23 | ise_ | It was under hacking the OSD |
| 22:03:28 | ise_ | I misread sorry |
| 22:03:34 | Bagder | it's very standard procedure embedded linux |
| 22:04:09 | ise_ | toffe82: Is the gigabeat using the same chipset? or is your problem also a checksum problem? |
| 22:04:30 | Bagder | the gigabeat is entirely different |
| 22:04:40 | Bagder | well, except perhaps the arm9 core |
| 22:06:05 | ise_ | saratoga: figuring out what the firmware does is what im going to attempt to do |
| 22:06:13 | ise_ | saratoga: firmware updater sorry |
| 22:06:16 | jhulst | ise_: My experience is mainly in programming C, Java, C++, I do know some assembly, not ARM core |
| 22:06:33 | ise_ | is the firmware in ARM then? |
| 22:06:52 | saratoga | yes |
| 22:06:58 | saratoga | arm4 |
| 22:07:03 | Bagder | and c54 dsp |
| 22:07:52 | ise_ | two more languages to learn then? |
| 22:08:07 | ise_ | How would it be possible to view their raw data? |
| 22:08:44 | saratoga | you mean the firmware image? |
| 22:08:56 | ise_ | would that be the nk.bin? |
| 22:09:02 | saratoga | i believe so |
| 22:09:05 | saratoga | its all ARM |
| 22:09:20 | saratoga | so i think its the code for the player |
| 22:09:34 | ise_ | how can I view it ARM? i thought it would have been compiled already into an undecodable binary |
| 22:09:57 | Bagder | you disassemble |
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| 22:10:20 | preglow | by no means impossible |
| 22:10:21 | ise_ | would that work on the nk.bin? |
| 22:10:22 | Bagder | with a disassembler that converts the binary back into ARM assembly |
| 22:10:51 | ise_ | ah so ARM is an assembly derivative? excellent, I can do that |
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| 22:11:15 | Bagder | ise_: every CPU family has their own assembly, including ARM |
| 22:11:21 | saratoga1 | the nk.bin file is arm binary |
| 22:11:35 | saratoga1 | you can dissassemble it into op codes which are, in theory, readible by humans |
| 22:11:42 | ise_ | jhulst: if I dissassemble the nk.bin would you want to go over it with me? |
| 22:11:42 | saratoga1 | i dumped the installer program, its just a tiny stub of x86 at the top and the rest is all data (probably the arm stuff and images, fonts, etc) |
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| 22:12:09 | xamox | anyone know why I am getting a "Use iTunes to restore" when I boot, but if I plug in USB it will load the firmare? |
| 22:12:26 | toffe82 | ise_: the zen use pmc (portable media center) as the gigabeat S does, so the procedure to load the firmware on the hd must be closed, I think they used some standard library |
| 22:12:35 | jhulst | ise_: yes, that would be good |
| 22:13:02 | saratoga1 | my theory is that the x86 in the installer program hashes over the firmware it extracts to check that it hasn't been modified, then it copies it over |
| 22:13:08 | jhulst | ise_: unfortunately, school has kept me busy lately but it should be slowing down a little |
| 22:13:20 | saratoga1 | it might be possible to change the test instruction to accept firmwares that didn't match the hash check |
| 22:13:23 | toffe82 | jhulst, ise_ : check the gigabeat S port page to see the structure of the files |
| 22:13:37 | saratoga1 | in which case, we wouldn't even need to care how the process worked |
| 22:13:51 | ise_ | or figure out a keygen for the hashing technique? |
| 22:13:57 | perl|work | xamox disable automatic updates in itunes? |
| 22:14:03 | perl|work | set everything to "manual" |
| 22:14:04 | saratoga1 | well that would be best, but maybe harder |
| 22:14:11 | perl|work | whereever you see the option to |
| 22:14:20 | ise_ | toffe: could you post the link please? |
| 22:14:32 | xamox | perl|work, so I have to reflash with ITunes? Then with rockbox? |
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| 22:15:17 | perl|work | xamox make sure your ipod is working perfectly woth original firmware |
| 22:15:25 | xamox | perl|work, alright, thx. |
| 22:15:28 | perl|work | then follow the instructions on the rockbox site |
| 22:15:31 | ise_ | Anyway I can figure out what the firmware updater was programmed in? |
| 22:15:39 | perl|work | with* |
| 22:15:46 | toffe82 | ise_: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main//GigabeatSInfo |
| 22:16:01 | ise_ | toffe82: thanx, i'll take a look |
| 22:16:44 | toffe82 | ise_: the updater is in mcosoft C++ v6 I think if I remember what I saw |
| 22:16:56 | toffe82 | microsoft^^ ;) |
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| 22:19:05 | ise_ | ok, im going to try and use Dragon Unpacker on the firmware updater, see what it can find. |
| 22:19:40 | ise_ | i need to restart to windows however, see you in a bit! |
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| 22:32:15 | nls | Well, yay now I get sound only in the right channel on my h300 :-/ any tips around or do I have to get the soldering iron and a new jack? |
| 22:33:04 | nls | Using the line out works fine so the dac chip is ok and the headphones are ok too |
| 22:35:19 | petur | maybe first try resoldering? |
| 22:36:16 | nls | hmm, the left channel comes back if I apply even very light pressure to the connector, but yeah I will try that |
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| 22:36:56 | nls | also what is the difference between the line out and regular headphone out on h300? |
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| 22:38:21 | petur | the amp in the chip (and impedance) |
| 22:38:45 | nls | so it will have a harder time driving the phones? |
| 22:39:05 | petur | more or less like this: the headphones are current-driven, line-out is voltage driven |
| 22:39:35 | nls | yep, definetly doesn't sound the same... |
| 22:40:25 | bluebrother | nls: tried contact spray? |
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| 22:40:45 | nls | no, it just happened today |
| 22:41:17 | nls | I thought I had killed the headphone cable until I tried it in the lin out |
| 22:41:23 | bluebrother | I have a similar issue with my h120 but I haven't got around replacing the headphone jack yet. |
| 22:41:46 | petur | could simply be a broken soldering |
| 22:42:26 | nls | I will open it up and do some visual inspection and probably try resoldering during the easter holiday :-) |
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| 23:07:05 | toni1 | linuxstb: my latest results on the mpegplayer audio hiss problem on the sansa: |
| 23:07:41 | toni1 | after removing all video related stuff and feeding pure mp3 audio data the hiss remains. |
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| 23:08:10 | toni1 | so it might be related to the codec loading? |
| 23:08:16 | linuxstb_ | What do you mean by removing all video stuff? Not running the video thread at all? |
| 23:08:40 | toni1 | yes, completely removed. |
| 23:09:21 | linuxstb_ | Have you tried increasing the stack size for the audio thread? |
| 23:09:52 | toni1 | no, but that might be a good idea for tomorrow. |
| 23:10:21 | toni1 | today I will stop hunting that problem. |
| 23:10:52 | linuxstb_ | Did you read amiconn's suggestion in the logs? Dumping the contents of const data from libmad at the start and end of mpegplayer? |
| 23:11:04 | linuxstb_ | (getting the info from the map file) |
| 23:11:17 | toni1 | No, but that might be another good idea. |
| 23:12:36 | toni1 | gnight. |
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| 23:12:41 | linuxstb_ | goodnight. |
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| 23:18:12 | toffe82 | jhulst: are you there ? |
| 23:18:23 | jhulst | toffe82: yes |
| 23:19:53 | toffe82 | I downlaod the latest update of the zen M , run it and found this : it create a folder on the c drive : C:\CtJbFW\cttemp which contains a file Jboxcrl.crl |
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| 23:20:47 | toffe82 | when you analyze this file it seems to be the program to start the flash on the player, it is a small progamm 56k |
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| 23:22:27 | toffe82 | perhaps with a player connected, it create first the file to uplaod in the same directory |
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| 23:23:14 | jhulst | toffe82: I think somebody had found that too, I'm not sure how far it was taken, I still have to get my Windows running again so I can start looking at that |
| 23:23:27 | toffe82 | ok |
| 23:23:33 | jhulst | toffe82: That's good to know though, thanks for checking it out |
| 23:24:01 | jhulst | I got OllyDbg up and running and have started to look through the uploader, interesting stuff in there |
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| 23:28:39 | toffe82 | check the files it creates when it run and when the player is connected |
| 23:31:02 | jhulst | okay, right now I'm running it under WINE so I'm not sure how it would work to actually connect to the player |
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| 23:51:02 | sslashes | for anyone interested in the SoC WPS re-implementation effort, have a look and post some comments/edits: http://www.roox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ViewDrawing |
| 23:52:56 | sslashes | ^ the link should be http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ViewDrawing |
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| 23:56:01 | posingaspopular | hey my rockbox is broken, i removed the folder from my ipod, and now it won't boot up, it keeps telling me the rockbox bootloader is missing, but i know thats the case since i removed it. why wont it boot back to the regular ipod display? |
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| 23:57:01 | posingaspopular | help? |
| 23:57:43 | petur | just deleting stuff is not the way to uninstall |
| 23:57:52 | nls | posingaspopular: try toggeling hold on when booting to go to the original firmware |
| 23:57:56 | posingaspopular | petur, opps |
| 23:58:21 | nls | posingaspopular: the way to uninstall is following the instructions in the manual |
| 23:58:41 | nls | found at the end of the installation chapter |
| 23:58:50 | sslashes | posingaspopular: try turning hold on and off when booting - you need to revert to the origional apple firmware to remove rockbox completely - read the install docs |
| 23:58:53 | posingaspopular | nls, that worked, thanks |
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