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#rockbox log for 2007-04-02

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00:23:51kramdrawhats rbutil? looked on wiki and FR...
00:24:51linuxstbLook for RockboxUtility
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00:34:35x1jmpis there some way to use gdb on plugins or rockbox at all in the sim?
00:36:20x1jmpoh, just recognized it is actually possible to use it on rockboxui
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00:55:54kramdraive been reading some c tutorials, but i cant find anything about how to use a structure set up by another .c file... if somone knows of a plugin/source file which does this i should be able to work it out.. this is what i did earlyer
00:56:51kramdraim used to single file asm code.. not that im any good at that either
01:00:37ceaserkramdra: if the structure is in another .c file, thats not being #included
01:00:41ceaserkramdra: you have to mark it extern
01:00:49ceaserkramdra: err wait
01:02:42kramdrayeah im bit confused... if i include the header, then thats just the stucture but not the adress of the stucture, but didnt think you can #include the .c file?
01:02:44ceaserkramdra: is the structure TYPE set up by the .c file? or just a structure
01:03:07ceaserkramdra: i mean, technically you can, but you generally don't want to
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01:03:30ceaserkramdra: if i'm understanding you correctly, you want an instantiated structure from a .c file in another
01:03:42ceaserkramdra: .c file, with the type set up in a header file somewhere
01:04:01ceaserkramdra: if thats the case, then you just mark the declaration of that structure 'extern' and you can use it outside of that .c file
01:04:18kramdra"struct mp3entry is defined in file firmware/export/id3.h" from docs/plugin_api
01:04:58ceaseroh wait i didn't see the past-it
01:05:13ceaseryou're declaring those structs static
01:05:21ceaserthat means you can't access them outside of that .c file
01:06:40kramdrayeah i wasnt sure, do i even need to declare them in my file?
01:06:54kramdrasince they are #include'd
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01:07:32ceaseronly the type is included, probably
01:07:57ceaserso if you want to allocate memory statically for those structs, you'll have to declare them
01:08:27ceaseror in this case, if you want to declare memory for a pointer to
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01:08:53kramdraim trying to read the stucture thats already in memory
01:10:20ceaseroh hm, my guess is that the pointer is defined externally in another file then, and you don't even have to declare it... i'm not sure, i've never done rockbox plugin devel
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01:17:33kramdraok i took the define out, going to try compiling this - please tell me if theres a way to compile only the plugin without all of rockbox?
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01:24:35JdGordonkramdra: run make rocks
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01:26:30kramdrawhat does it do
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01:31:27kramdraprobably done it wrong.. but done make rocks from my sim director... got lots of errors
01:32:30kramdramaybe not, says nothing to be done for a few files
01:32:52aliaskIt always says that. What were the errors (if there's a lot use pastebin)
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01:36:12kramdrapastebin doesnt work for me anymore... but
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01:36:55aliaskkramdra: That's perfectly normal.
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01:38:03kramdrahowever simulator still runs, but my plugin not in there. do i need to include it in another file? since i stupidly assumed all files in /plugin would be compiled...
01:38:57LloreanIt needs to be in SOURCES
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01:39:22LloreanIn /apps/plugins/SOURCES specifically, it's basically a list of the plugins, with #defines around them to make sure only working ones get built for each player
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01:46:08kramdranow i have errors :) my code was a bit wrong
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02:16:11tchanHave the recent newer versions (200703) of the rockbox gigabeat and ipod bootloaders changed where they expect rockbox.gigabeat and rockbox.ipod to be found ?
02:17:24tchani.e. .rockbox/rockbox.gigabeat instead of in /rockbox.gigabeat and similarly .rockbox/rockbox.ipod ??
02:17:52LloreanThe look in /.rockbox first, and then in the root
02:20:07tchanso its now safe to remove the older firmware(s) in root ?
02:20:47LloreanAs long as you've got one in the folder, yeah.
02:22:07tchanThis wiki page is slightly wrong now: as it says "There must be a file in the root named rockbox.gigabeat: X:\rockbox.gigabeat"
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02:22:34LloreanFeel free to update it then.
02:22:43tchanno account, sorry
02:22:59LloreanThat's a "I don't want to" then.
02:23:30LloreanThe wiki isn't "official" information anyway, since it's community driven.
02:23:33LloreanThe official source is the manual
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02:28:10tchanOkay, I've registered TerryChan on the
02:29:30LloreanAnd you can edit now
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03:18:37caduhello guys, i've just registered on RockboxWiki and i wouuld like write access, will be contributing with battery benchs and translations if possible
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03:32:46daniel1234my ipod won't go into disk mode or in the apple firmware and it says can not find rockbox.ipod when I try to start it so how can I tell if the hard drive is the problem
03:34:37BHSPitMonkeyI guarantee it can go into disk mode...
03:35:50daniel1234then how can I get it into disk mode because I have got it to go into disk mode ages ago but now it jutjust restarts itself and says can not find rockbox.ipod
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03:43:52cadua question about the Gigabeat F series
03:44:17cadudoes the battery level goes down -quick- even if you're not using it ?
03:44:38cadumy player doesn't seems to hold the battery level when not it use, should i turn the battery OFF when not using?
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03:50:31kramdraI read that it will drain over a few days when its off, but the battery switch might fix that...
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03:52:23cadugood to hear
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03:52:36cadui was just worried about if it was really a common problem or a faulty player :)
03:53:49caduif it's "normal", can't be helped :) yeah i can turn off the battery switch, then just set up the clock everytime i use something time-based :)
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03:58:21kramdrahmm that resets the clock? that sucks
03:59:15Soapcadu: did you get write access yet?
03:59:37caduyup, asked Llorean to grant me
03:59:56caduSoap, btw i've just modified the GigabeatRuntime with my file and updated the table.
04:00:11Soapcool x 2
04:02:00caduworking on the portuguese-brazil lang file , also.
04:02:26caduportuguese and brazillian portuguese have a lot of different words that sound funny or can't be understood quickly
04:03:17cadulike portuguese 'Ecrã' and brazillian portuguese 'Tela' , 100% different words for 'Display', and Ecrã ISN'T used in brazil so no one would understand that :)
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04:24:42cadubtw, i'm getting duplicate entries on the 'database', anyone had the same behavior ?
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04:37:14tsuyoshiwould portuguese people understand tela?
04:39:30cadutela means a surface for displaying something
04:39:43caduportuguese people maybe can use TELA for a painting or drawing or something
04:39:51cadubut i'm just guessing
04:40:04caduotoh, Ecrã isn't used for anything in the brazillian portuguese realm
04:40:40caduas a bunch of other words :) the languages are really different nowadays (altough sharing grammar, of course)
04:40:47caducompare brittish english with american english
04:41:32tsuyoshinot sure if there are any british words americans wouldn't understand though
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04:42:12cadudunno about that, but even if understood, they're not natural.
04:42:27tsuyoshimaybe "lorry"
04:42:56caduexample, in portugal, bicha means 'line' (to wait in line) while in portuguese bicha means (extremely vulgar) 'gay' or 'female animal'
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04:43:44*cadu runs to the dictionary
04:43:52tsuyoshi"truck" in american
04:44:07cadutruck :)
04:48:23cadu"AV Decay Time"
04:48:28cadunever saw this option in rockbox
04:48:33caduAV stands for ?
04:48:37cadu(translating) :P
04:49:45tsuyoshior sometimes audio-video
04:50:39cadu'auto volume' :)
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05:11:56maretardheya, anybody got lag problems with the h10 20g?
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06:21:59arje__is movie playback fully supported on the ipod nano 4g?
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06:25:09arje__and: can i safely just read the documentation for the 1st gen ipod nano and consider all that working with the 4th gen?
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07:16:48ptw419is there anyway to debug an ARM program on x86?
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07:19:45heanolon the rockbox wiki, i see on the page about sansa: "The Sansa recognises when the USB has been plugged in, but does nothing more"
07:20:01heanoldoes thit mean you cannot transfer music to it when you've installed rockbox to it?
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07:28:41lachlan_mc1heanol: I doubt thats the case
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07:45:40tsuyoshiyou plug in the usb, and restart, it will go to the original firmware automatically
07:45:48tsuyoshiand then you can transfer stuff
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07:48:05heanoli'll install rockbox later then :)
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08:40:22arje___so, i think basically i did not understand what gen the new ipod 8gb black is and if rockbox installs on them. any help?
08:40:53JdGordonits the 2nd gen... you cant install rockbox
08:41:31arje___JdGordon: is support for those intended to come the next months?
08:44:03JdGordonmonths... years.. decades.... eventually... possibly....
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08:45:31arje___JdGordon: :(((
08:45:36arje___JdGordon: thx anyways
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08:53:55JdGordonhey scorche, you can change the title back :)
08:54:12scorcheit is 11:53 here...we have 7 more min!
08:54:39JdGordon:O quit living in the past :p
08:54:43*petur hates april fools jokes
08:55:07scorchepetur: well, when you are on the performing side instead of the receiving side, they get better ;)
08:55:08*JdGordon gone for 2 days... cyaz
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08:55:45*petur checks if JdGordon just did a big commit :p
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08:57:50arje___jonashn: is there any other way to change the appearance of the ipod nano 2nd gen displays? like when i just want it to be smooth black?
08:58:19scorchearje___: nano 2nd gen?
08:58:27arje___scorche: i think so
08:58:32arje___scorche: 8gb black one
08:58:38scorchewhy would you ask that in here?
08:58:56arje___scorche: well cause i surf the net for rockbox/ipodlinux since hours now
08:59:09arje___scorche: i just want a way to change the appearance in the first place
08:59:17scorcheyes, but that question has nothing to do with rockbox
08:59:36arje___scorche: correctly. but who else could know about that?
09:00:11scorchethat isnt our problem...the thing is, this place is for rockbox related chat only
09:01:02scorchesee the link in the topic
09:01:59arje___scorche: i visited it already. :) my intention is not to bother you with that as you might be able to imagine...
09:02:21arje___scorche: however
09:02:26arje___scorche: thank you.
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09:09:23cropHi. Has the contact with Austrian Microsystems made any good for RB?
09:09:40peturcrop: two words: sansa sound
09:10:27croppetur: ah! I asked because there is nothing about it on the wiki page
09:11:07cropDid they provide any information which could be used for better battery handling on ipods?
09:11:09peturhmmmm austriancoder said he was going to write a wiki page about the visit...
09:11:33GodEater_crop: no - they wouldn't do that as they wouldn't know.
09:12:09cropSo this brought nothing ipod-wise?
09:12:21tsuyoshicrop: well the wiki has sansa under "supported models" now
09:12:39tsuyoshithat's really the only change I think
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09:13:10GodEater_crop: no - AMS have nothing to do with iPods as far as I'm aware.
09:13:18GodEater_crop: they provide the DAC in the Sansa.
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09:16:31Mode"#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
09:16:46peturabout time!
09:16:53Topic"Please read before speaking: | Rockbox Devcon 2007 -" by scorche (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
09:16:59scorcheoh hush, you
09:17:14*petur walks off for a while :p
09:17:33*scorche smacks petur
09:17:52*petur was already gone - scorche is getting sloooow
09:18:22scorche./kick petur slow this!
09:18:36GodEater_scorche: was anyone actually taken in? I've not had a chance to read back through the history yet...
09:18:56scorcheGodEater: quite a few actually...the logs were entertaining at some points
09:19:33GodEater_I look forward to reading them later then ;) −− I like iPL's "iPodLinux now runs on Nano 2G" too :)
09:20:49scorchethey didnt do anything with their topic as far as i know...
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09:22:49GodEater_no - they posted it on their site - and someone posted it in our Nano 2G thread on the forums
09:22:56GodEater_and then realised their mistake :)
09:23:26scorcheoh joy
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09:29:45crop petur: What's the matter with the recording enhancement patch? Why doesn't it get committed? It's a never ending story in the forum. Are there still any issues?
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09:42:32peturcrop: there are no issues, but the stuff that's in there is just cosmetic and I don't know what should or should not get in the final build.
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09:43:06peturmorning ;)
09:53:54cropBut isn't it a pity to always have to maintain that patch? If it were in the build it'd be... beter, no?
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10:18:50linuxstbA request for anyone experiencing bugs with mpegplayer - can you add them here?
10:19:22pondlifeWhy not on FlySpray?
10:20:20pondlifeThe Video cataegory is barely used ATM
10:21:27linuxstbBecause they're too many, and mpegplayer is too "alpha" (IMO).
10:22:25pondlifeWhatever... I just would expect someone providing bug reports to click on the "bug reports" link from the homepage.
10:23:12pondlifeI only see 2 reported bugs on FS.
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10:27:14linuxstbThere is nothing stopping people reporting bugs on flyspray as well. But afaik it's normal for in-development pieces of code to have lists of bugs in the wiki rather than cluttering up flyspray.
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10:58:11hen3rzis it possible to have seperate font colors for the wps and menu??
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10:59:23bluebrotherhen3rz: no
10:59:51hen3rzty though
10:59:58bluebrotherunless you use patches, but I'm not aware what's available in that area
11:00:25bluebrothergreyscale targets aren't interesting for color ;-)
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11:05:38daniel1234hi my ipod won't go into disk mode is there a way I can check if the hard drive is the problem
11:06:07GodEater_daniel1234: describe what you do, and what happens.
11:06:20scorchedid you turn hold on and off, and then hold menu and select for 30 seconds?
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11:07:20bluebrotherdaniel1234: are you trying emergency disk mode?
11:07:35daniel1234i did the hold thing but as soon as the ipod screen went dark I pressed play and select
11:07:49scorcheerrrr.....ignore me
11:07:59bluebrotherhold thing?
11:08:17scorchei said ignore me!...i am involved in too many conversations =/
11:08:48scorchedaniel1234: if your ipod will not go into disk mode, something is seriously wrong with it....which makes us think that you are doing something wrong
11:09:27bluebrotherscorche: I was referring to daniel1234 mentioning some "hold thing"
11:09:51scorchebluebrother: that was off some comment i made about resetting the device, which was int he wrong conversation
11:09:55bluebrothernot sure if he was referring to the hold switch or holding the buttons for emergency disk mode ;-)
11:09:57daniel1234I have got it to go into disk mode before but I have tried for hours and it won't go into disk mode it won't even boot the apple fw
11:10:53bluebrotherbooting any firmware is one thing. Emergency disk mode is another
11:11:14bluebrotherif it doesn't go into *emergency* disk mode (not regular disk mode) then something is really wrong i said
11:11:56daniel1234I have got it to go into disk mode before but I have tried for hours and it won't gif there is something wrong with the hard drive would that affect it
11:12:05scorchedaniel1234: so, you are resetting the device (select + menu_ and then immediately holding select and play/pause, correct?
11:12:28scorcheno...that would be something much worse than a hard drive issue
11:12:37daniel1234if there is something wrong with the hard drive will that affect it
11:12:44scorcheyou are blind, correct (or am i thinking of someone else?)
11:12:52daniel1234yes thats right
11:13:28daniel1234no thats me i am blind
11:14:16daniel1234So is there only one disk mode
11:14:35scorchethe "other one" is a part of apple's firmware
11:15:14scorcheare you sure that the hold switch is off and the unit is charged?
11:16:01daniel1234so you are saying if i flick the hold switch on and off then menu and select until the screen goes dark then play and select there is nothing I can do
11:16:04scorche(well, not completely discharged, rather
11:16:25scorchewell, how do you know that the screen is going dark?
11:16:58daniel1234I can see when it is light but that is about it
11:17:03daniel1234and dark
11:17:24daniel1234I am trying to put in to disk mode with the charger on
11:17:54scorchebut the unit is lighting up?
11:20:13daniel1234as soon as the screen goes dark I do the play and select thing and after about 10 seconds the hard drives makes a click sound I let go of the buttons and wait 10 seconds and the screen lights up again
11:20:26GodEater_that doesn't sound good =/
11:20:29daniel1234so does mean something is wrong
11:21:09scorchemost likely, however, if disk mode isnt working, then more than just your hard drive is broken
11:21:22scorchei would suggest sighted help if possible, at this point
11:21:42daniel1234ok what should I tell them to do and look for
11:22:27scorchewell, i would tell them how to put it into disk mode first of all
11:23:00bluebrotherthere is also a diagnostics mode (press left + select upon startup) that might be helpful
11:23:01scorcheit could be going into disk mode and then exiting because of the hard drive....i wouldnt know how it behaves on a bad hard drive
11:23:13bluebrotherdon't know if that has some "test disk" function though
11:23:17daniel1234ok so just hold on off then menu select until the screen goes off then play and select for how long?
11:23:25scorchebluebrother: well, it might be hard to explain that to someone who doesnt know what they are doing
11:23:42bluebrotherright ... but I was long unaware such a mode exists
11:23:45scorchedaniel1234: till it goes into disk mode
11:23:51bluebrotherso I thought I'd just mention it ;-)
11:24:05daniel1234so what should it say
11:24:13daniel1234when it is in disk mode
11:24:31scorcheit should say disk mode at the top
11:24:46bluebrotherif usb is connected it says "do not disconnect"
11:25:09scorcheand then in the middle, either a check mark, or a circle with a slash through it (the typical do not symbol)
11:25:30scorchewith the text " opk to disconnect or what bluebrother said below that icon
11:25:43scorchesorry...ok...not opk
11:26:28scorchealso, hol select and play/pause immediately after the unti resets (screen goes off, not necessarily dark)
11:26:31daniel1234my computer doesn't even recognise it
11:26:59scorchewell, it would have to be in disk mode for it to recognise it
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11:27:48daniel1234I took it apart with sighted help when I couldn't get it in disk mode and made sure the connections were right but it won't work is there a way I can test the hard drive
11:28:18scorchedaniel1234: through the previously mentioned diagnostic mode
11:28:46scorchei would try and find an article describing it on the internet for your sighted friend though
11:28:51daniel1234are you talking about disk mode
11:29:29daniel1234someone said there is a mode you can get to when the player restarts you press select and back is that right
11:29:51scorchethat is it
11:29:53daniel1234like disk mode except with select and back not select and play
11:30:03scorchethere are 3 main modes on the ipods: firmware mode (where it will lod a firmware such as apple's or rockbox), disk mode, and diagnostic mode
11:30:55daniel1234how do you get into the firmware mode
11:31:07GodEater_daniel1234: that's the default
11:31:22scorcheit will do that if you do not push any buttons
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11:32:03daniel1234can someone tell me what should happen after I push select and back how long do I hold select and back
11:32:16scorchetill it enters the mode
11:32:55daniel1234ok so what should be displayed on the screen
11:33:48scorcheas i said, there are a lot of things to it, so i would show your friend an article about it
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11:34:20daniel1234ok can I do that with the charger on
11:35:58scorche and both seem to be articles that will describe it for you
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11:38:43ep0chmarkun: can you take a look at and maybe commit?
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11:56:02daniel1234hey someone sent me a web site address about the ipod hardware test or something can you send it again
11:56:41scorche<scorche> and both seem to be articles that will describe it for you
11:57:02markunep0ch: I'll have a look
11:57:52markunep0ch: I was about to make the volume buttons to change the volume :)
11:57:57markunThink I will go with that
11:58:06markunbut you can keep using your patch of course
11:58:33GodEater_markun: thank goodness - I'd rather use the volume control for volume too
11:58:33ep0chatm doing page scrolling is odd...
11:58:47markunjhMikeS: howmany fps speedup did you get?
11:59:03ep0chyou can accidently do selections or shut down the player
11:59:27GodEater_markun: weren't you going to change the button to hold to down paged scrolling to the A button rather than power ?
11:59:37markunep0ch: yes, but that should be solved by changing the A and POWER imho
11:59:43jhMikeSup to around 40
11:59:53jhMikeSthe framerate that is overall
11:59:55ep0chmarkun: ok that's good
12:00:03markunjhMikeS: +40?
12:00:26jhMikeSno, just 50
12:00:34markunjhMikeS: what did you get before?
12:00:38jhMikeSabout 25
12:00:43daniel1234if I took the hard drive out of my ipod it wouldn't go into disk mode right
12:00:44markunwow, nice speedup!
12:00:55jhMikeSit runs 60 without any rendering at all
12:01:42scorchedaniel1234: the hard drives in ipods are not liek normal hard drives...they use soemthing called a ZIF connector, so i would not suggest messing with it unless you have a repalcement, or otherwise
12:02:12*petur hands scorche a typing course
12:02:28scorchemy keyboard is bad...
12:02:34petursure ;)
12:02:36*scorche thanks jdgordon for the excuse
12:02:47pixelmabough JdGordon's?
12:02:48peturflat batteries too, eh?
12:03:07scorchepetur: whatever works =P
12:04:26daniel1234I have read on lots of websites people have had to change there hard drives on the ipod but before I get a hard drive off ebay I want to make sure the hard drive is the problem
12:05:12scorchedaniel1234: well, just do as i have suggested with a sighted person, and you should be able to figure that out
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12:06:42markunjhMikeS: any other places in mpegplayer that could use some asm?
12:07:15daniel1234OK just one more question if I can't get in to the hardware test thing does that mean the hard drive is the problem or is it worse than that
12:07:15Moosor on LCD driver? :)
12:07:27Moos@markun jhMikeS
12:07:32jhMikeSmarkun: probably most of it
12:07:44GodEater_daniel1234: if it won't go into the hardware test, it's very bad indeed, and most likely not the harddrive
12:08:01markunjhMikeS: well, maybe we should do some profiling first
12:08:05jhMikeSI think the decoder should do the rotation actually and would simplify the blit code
12:09:11daniel1234so if the ipod was working fine and I took the hard drive out would it still get in to that hardware thing
12:09:26markunpearldiver: can you check your 'green' video with jhMikeS' new yuv code?
12:09:36scorchedaniel1234: really...there sint a need to take the hard drive out
12:09:43jhMikeSmarkun: well, pick a stock video for comparision if you're sick of elephant dream by now :)
12:10:00markunjhMikeS: I'm using Red Dwarf now :)
12:10:15jhMikeSI'll need a copy then
12:10:51daniel1234i wasn't going to I was just wondering so I could tell if it was the hard drive or not
12:11:13scorchedaniel1234: the diagnostic mode should tell you that
12:13:12daniel1234so your saying if the hardware thing doesn't work I can't fix the problem
12:14:07scorchei am saying that if "the hardware thing" doesnt work, then your ipod has much worse issues than a bad hard drive
12:14:50daniel1234ok then is there anything I can do
12:15:12scorchereturn to apple for repair (if covered under a warranty), or buy a new one
12:16:18daniel1234I think I will just stick with my h300
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12:37:08|cub|aloha people :)
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12:41:37markunhi |cub|
12:41:42|cub|how can i rebuild database ?
12:42:21markunThere is a menu option to do that, right?
12:42:23|cub|when im adding new songs database doesnt see them
12:42:38|cub|i`ll look now
12:42:52|cub|but as i remember i didnt found it
12:43:05markun|cub|: you need to enable 'dircache' and set the database to auto-update
12:43:14|cub|one sec
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12:44:10|cub|and wher `dircache` is?
12:44:36GodEater_|cub|: it's all covered in the manual
12:49:22|cub|thnx :)
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12:56:24safetydanWow. video playback on the h120 is actually almost watchable
12:57:48pondlifeAny playback gurus around?
12:58:13pondlifeI'm wondering why audio_update_trackinfo() does CUR_TI->id3.elapsed = 0 (and .offset = 0)
12:58:26pondlifeIt seems an odd place to update the track structures
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13:04:55jhMikeSpondlife: why ever ask the question "I'm wondering why playback <insert thing the raises eyebrow here>"? :)
13:06:28*jhMikeS is wondering why playback.c ever cares about folders and playlists and now cuesheets. hrm.
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13:11:22pondlifejhMikeS: Because I'm highly tempted to remove it!!
13:11:35pondlifeSorry, been on the phone
13:12:20pondlifeI am still seeing an intermittent case of the wrong ID3 data being displayed, and am attempting to investigate
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13:21:06linuxstbjhMikeS: Nice work on the gigabeat lcd_yuv_split - do you fancy adapting it to other ARM targets? Or at least the Sansa, which afaik should be almost identical.
13:22:21jhMikeSI think it should easily adapt to any ARM
13:24:00jhMikeSIt's tough to do that sans Sansa though not being able to actually run it and be sure the pointers are set right
13:24:34B4gderwe'd love to buy you one... .-)
13:24:34linuxstbBut at 40fps, seems there could be room for some scaling on the gigabeat... Would be nice to be able to play native VCD files (352x240 for NTSC) correctly.
13:24:54jhMikeShmmm...I'd like to have one then...:)
13:25:47jhMikeSI'm sure the gigabeat and probably and other arm stuff should have a lot more potential...coldfire as well imho
13:26:38B4gderok, I can talk to Zagor about some funding
13:27:05linuxstbDo many devs have Sansas with the FM chip?
13:27:42jhMikeSgetting one with all the stuff would be good so there's nothing I can't work on...but I won't be too picky
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13:28:04linuxstbjhMikeS: Which part of the world are you from?
13:28:14jhMikeSMichigan, USA
13:28:37linuxstbAh, then I don't think it's a problem. I think it's just the European models which lack FM.
13:29:17linuxstbYou could give yourself a challenge and get a Rhapsody model...
13:29:18jhMikeSbtw, there's probably a bit more hiding in that yuv blit, it is the first major bit of arm code i've written
13:29:26jhMikeSwhat's the differece?
13:29:41pondlifeRhapsody = DRM?
13:30:00jhMikeSoh, right...DRM...I don't think about that too much
13:30:19pondlifeHave fun finding a buffer overflow to use :)
13:31:44jhMikeShehe...finding buffer overflows is not the most exiting task
13:32:30B4gderlinuxstb: i believe there are a few devs owning sansa with FM chip, both dan_a and barry do I believe
13:32:55B4gderi sent one of mine to dan_a
13:33:39pondlife"one of mine" ... :)
13:34:13B4gdertechnically they aren't really mine of course
13:35:59barrywardellmy sansa has an FM chip
13:37:16*safetydan watches halftone dithered mpeg video
13:38:33Nico_Ppixelma: I've seen your report that the latest tracker version of my patch still crashed on your M5... I'll look at it a bit later today
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13:48:06safetydanWell dithered mpeg playback on a H120 leads to some good results. Looks almost as good as using the gray library but seems faster.
13:48:41GodEater_I need to encode something other that TED to watch =/
13:52:00safetydanThere's got to be a faster way to do lcd_setpixel on a grayscale target...
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14:07:01*amiconn still thinks using rvf on grayscale would be best
14:07:38XavierGrrvf video on grayscale is pretty forward
14:07:46amiconnIt'll be blazingly fast and look even better than the grayscale lib (because it's pre-dithered with virtually unlimited levels)
14:07:51XavierGrI managed to compile the tools to make fullscreen videos for my H100 too
14:07:57XavierGrbut the sound is another issue
14:08:19safetydanrvf would most certainly be better. I just wanted to play around with dithering it.
14:08:50XavierGrfrom what I understand on hwtargets you just call mp3_play_data feeding it with the mp3 buffer on the rvf video and it plays fine
14:09:13XavierGrbut I guess that on swtargets you have to decode the mp3 data then feed the decoded data to pcm_play_data
14:10:02XavierGrI might play with it on one of these days but I don't know a thing on how to do that
14:10:15XavierGrit might need an audio thread to decode the data just like mpeg player
14:10:44XavierGrsurely out of my league but it would be fun to try nonetheless
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14:11:56safetydanah well, that's enough tinkering with useless things tonight
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14:21:51jmbattleevening chaps
14:21:54daurnBagder about?
14:22:33B4gderslightly around, yes
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14:25:09B4gderand still do actually :-)
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14:27:00B4gderI'm not really able to talk a lot right now anyway, this is my first day at a new project and customer. I better get some results instead :-)
14:27:08jmbattleare there any plans to add anti-aliasing support to the WPS fonts?
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14:29:40GodEater_jmbattle: not that I'm aware of no
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14:31:49ep0chhi... i have an idea of a project for the summer of code
14:32:27B4gdertoo late!
14:32:34ep0chnext year then
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14:33:54ep0chbasically i'd like rockbox not just as firmware but as an app!!! i'm about to get a symbian phone and would love to see it as an application for that
14:33:55GodEater_any news on which ones Google is green lighting for us Bagder ?
14:34:17GodEater_ep0ch: that's been suggested before
14:34:27ep0chwhat were peoples thoughts?
14:34:32B4gdergodeater: april 11 is the magic date
14:34:42B4gderdaurn: yes indeed
14:34:48GodEater_ep0ch: everything from "that will be really difficult" to "hahahahaha. No."
14:35:07ep0chshame... would be great
14:35:14linuxstbep0ch: I would be keen to see that...
14:35:21GodEater_yeah it would be nice
14:35:24ep0chwe have software codecs now
14:35:26GodEater_I already have a symbian phone
14:35:38linuxstbNot for Symbian, but as a desktop app.
14:35:57GodEater_I'm not sure what's required for building stuff for Symbian
14:36:04GodEater_I think most things run as java apps on it
14:36:08GodEater_but I could be wrong
14:36:10linuxstbBlood, sweat and tears the time I tried...
14:36:24B4gderdaurn: "curl http://... | yourprogram"
14:36:42ep0chi think the closest thing to rockbox on symbian is this
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14:36:45GodEater_linuxstb: I can only imagine
14:37:00GodEater_I know quite a few people that work for symbian. I'll ask them what's involved.
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14:38:02GodEater_I don't think it'll be a small project though
14:38:02ep0chbut i don't think oggplay does gapless
14:38:09linuxstbI think ideally you would rewrite the apps/gui/ code to use native UI widgets for the target operating system.
14:38:11Lloreanlinuxstb: Added a bit to the bugs listing in the PluginMpegplayer page, including a note on some similarities between how people have described some of them to me.
14:38:52ep0chlinuxstb: i disagree, i think it should be the same as the rockbox ui
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14:39:01ep0chep0ch: but hey :)
14:39:28B4gderdaurn: to me you seem to be explaining how CGIs work
14:39:37B4gdernothing involves curl there
14:40:13*GodEater_ wonders if B4gder is talking to himself
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14:40:32*linuxstb was wondering that...
14:40:49peturmixing PM and #rockbox :)
14:41:06B4gderI'm not used to this silly web irc thing
14:41:42LloreanJust to let everyone know, I'll be away from home until Friday. I'll have internet, and do my best to check up on at least the Summer of Code stuff, but beyond that I don't know how my schedule's going to allow for other things.
14:41:49GodEater_I even checked to see if I'd accidentally ignored someone!
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14:42:26GodEater_linuxstb: did you see my PM earlier ?
14:44:46B4gderI like how google thinks I'm in Denmark and gives me on danish...
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14:46:50ep0chcan i ask that 'rockbox as an application' is considered for a brief discussion at devcon?
14:47:35peturtime to start editing the agenda ;)
14:47:42B4gderep0ch: isn't that "just" to buld a simulator on that particular OS?
14:48:00daurnpetur: then he started doing it the other way around ;)
14:48:12linuxstbep0ch: AFAIK, you can run SDL on at least some Symbian targets....
14:49:22ep0chB4dger: well... i was thinking of a more native solution
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14:49:25LloreanB4gder: Well, then perhaps "Making the simulator have the same playback functionality as a target" since I believe it still lacks certain things?
14:49:47iseHey is jhulst in here?
14:50:38daurnise: do you see him?
14:50:49B4gderllorean: ah, true
14:53:47iseno i don't, didnt know if he'd use the same name though so thought id put that out there
14:54:10iseanybody else working on the Zen Vision:M port? Because I have some information on the DM320
14:54:31Lloreanise: Generally information should be added to the appropriate wiki page.
14:54:51iseyes but im not too sure what I've found
14:55:11iseI've been PM'ing jhulst, we've been going over various code, he said he can be found in here sometimes
14:55:34iseno matter, my bad, my appologies if I disturbed anyone. I shall contact him another time
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14:57:45B4gder? a good web server should send the response chunked
14:57:51B4gdernow that's it
14:58:03B4gderno mor PM for me in this crappy client
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15:06:00markunpearldiver: you there?
15:06:54pearldiveryes, i just compiled
15:07:05pearldiver(vmware finally hehe)
15:08:12pondlifeLlorean: What playback functionality is missing from the sim?
15:08:29pondlifeVolume control
15:08:33pondlifeis all I can think of
15:08:58Lloreanpondlife: I'm not really sure, I've just head about it.
15:09:04pondlifeJust wondered
15:09:12Lloreanpondlife: Volume control is a pretty important one though.
15:09:19markunpearldiver: so is it faster with vmware?
15:09:37pearldivermarkun takes less than 4 minutes
15:09:53*pondlife has a multimedia keyboard with volume control buttons...
15:10:27pearldivermarkun, "green stuff" is almost gone
15:10:34pearldiveri can still see it's borders
15:10:38markunpearldiver: ok, better post that image somewhere
15:10:46markunthat file I mean
15:10:50pearldiverhold on
15:10:58markunI can host it if you want
15:10:59Lloreanpondlife: Also, I'm not sure an Application-type Rockbox build needs plugin support, or really much of the existing UI beyond perhaps the WPS. As was said earlier, the native UI widgets are probably better.
15:11:11pearldivernow the green stuff is randomly everywhere
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15:11:34markunand in players on your PC it looks fine?
15:12:26pondlifeLlorean: True. Although I really like the sim - I'd just like an always on top option.
15:12:37pondlifeAnd a "no console window" option too.
15:14:08pearldiveralso 29.97 playback became sort of not smooth at all
15:15:04amiconnpondlife: The console window isn't easily switchable (on windows). It's a compile-time thing
15:15:56pondlifeIt was added fairly recently though..?
15:16:01pondlifePast 6 months or so
15:16:23pondlifeIt's useful when debugging, I don't mind it much
15:16:35Lloreanpearldiver: Are you using it with the most recent updates, the new YUB blit?
15:17:04pearldivercompiled a minute ago
15:17:12Lloreanamiconn: This was discussion as an option to build Rockbox as an actual application. For use on its own, rather than as a sim.
15:17:30LloreanSince it wouldn't serve dual purposes, you could have that at compile time anyway.
15:17:51Lloreanpearldiver: Odd, I just tested an official build, and it gets up to 38fps at least at 320x240
15:18:35amiconnpondlife: The console window itself is a rather old thing. It disappeared first with the Win32->SDL move, then I made it work again because it's useful for debugging
15:19:10pearldiverLlorean its not that it cannot keep up
15:19:21pearldiverit just feels sort of...jumpy
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15:19:27amiconnUnfortunately SDL for windows cannot log to the console where it was started from unless you compile as a console application and disable the SDL console hack
15:19:37Lloreanpearldiver: It's always felt a bit jumpy to me, with actual 29.97 files
15:19:44markunpearldiver: I think I had that too with one file
15:19:49Lloreanpearldiver: Remember, the screen only updates at 25, so you're going to get some jumps
15:19:52amiconnBut then a console app will open an own console window unless you start it from a console
15:22:27pondlifeI think I first built a sim when it was broken then...!
15:22:46pondlifeBut it's very useful for debugging, so no worries
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15:34:32peturhmmmm drm-free AAC at 256Kbps... finally something positive from apple
15:36:12lexwhat :O
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15:48:07GodEater_petur: I thought that was an April Fool when I read it yesterday
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15:50:51peturGodEater_: doesn't really look like it.... it's posted today, not april 1
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16:03:44GodEater_petur: yeah I read the same thing though elsewhere. The posting time was like 11:57pm so I was thinking it was a late April Fool.
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16:30:47perl|workwhat the hell, emi's dropping drm
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16:36:43markunperl|work: I'm here
16:36:51markundidn't get any email
16:37:17perl|workok, hold on
16:42:21*Nico_P just got a mail from iriver : new HDD and new batt in the H320 :)
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16:43:13Nico_Ppetur: yes
16:43:22Nico_Pjust before it expired
16:43:32peturlucky you
16:44:18Nico_Pnow I need to decide what to do with it... keep it or sell it
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16:55:38pondlifeNico_P: How long does the warranty last? 1 year?
16:55:51Nico_Ppondlife: in Europe it's 2
16:56:01pondlifeHmm, not in the UK apparently
16:56:26pondlifeDid you buy it direct?
16:56:31Nico_Pmine ends on the 17th so I sent my h320 back a few weeks ago
16:56:40Nico_Ppondlife: what do you mean ?
16:57:04pondlifeDid you originally buy the H320 from Iriver?
16:57:28Nico_Pno, from an online shop
16:57:57pondlifeSo did you go back to Iriver for warranty support, or through the retailer?
16:58:12Nico_Ppondlife: I contecated iriver directly
16:58:22pondlifeAh, I might do a similar thing.
16:59:08pondlifeLinusN has successfully repaired it now though
16:59:41pondlifeAccording to advancedmp3players (the retailer) I only had 1 years warranty.
16:59:42Nico_PI had already done this before with the same player... it's the second time my HDD fails
16:59:54Nico_Pbut this time the battery was the primary cause
17:00:20pondlifeIf the HD failed, I'd probably go for a 60 or 80G replacement, but a bad battery or UDA....
17:00:24Nico_Ppondlife: have you checked the warranty card in the box ?
17:01:06pondlifeI didn't see one
17:01:37pondlifeI never registered the purchase either.
17:01:45Nico_Pboth the battery and the HDD were failing, so I thought I'd send it before the end of the warranty t try to get free replacements... I was a bit lucky because I had opened the device and they didn't say anything
17:01:48pondlifeIf there was a registration card!
17:01:55Nico_Ppondlife: I didn't either
17:02:11pondlifeWell I'd opened mine too...
17:02:25pondlifeA neat job, no external marks.
17:02:51pondlifeBut there was a bit of glue that might have been a seal inside.
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17:03:27pondlifeNever mind, it's fixed now.. but perhaps I could have saved Linus the time.
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17:03:29beanzHi. Is there some way a potential rockbox user can try out rockbox before installing it? is there a demo of the playlist manangement feature?
17:04:10Nico_Pbeanz: no, but the simulator for your target will probably be what you want
17:04:33Domonokyor read the manual, there are many pictures :-)
17:05:15beanzAh the simulator looks interesting. The killer features of rockbox seem to be longer battery life and the playlist editor, I was looking for a quick intro that's all.
17:05:20beanzBut I will check the simulator :)
17:05:27pondlifebeanz: Which device?
17:05:45beanzI haven't bought one yet.
17:05:49pondlifeBattery life is decidedly shorter on some targets (e.g. ipods)
17:05:59pondlifeAt the moment, anyway
17:06:20beanzI was looking for something around 60 gigs, but there don't seem to be many (I don't want video).
17:06:22Nico_Pbeanz: currently, THE rockbox target is the gigabeat
17:06:22pondlifeIt's longer on the Iriver H300 series, and probably most non-PortalPlayer devices
17:06:38pondlifeWhat's battery like on that?
17:07:02Nico_Ppondlife: it's not really better than on the OF but stll good, I hear... about 19 hrs I think
17:07:20Nico_PI've never had any problems with it
17:07:34pondlifeThat's plenty for me too
17:07:43Domonokyi think the best is the Thoshiba m5l with something like 40-50h playback.. :-)
17:07:54beanzHow big do the gigabeat players come?
17:08:05Nico_PDomonoky: you probably mean the iAudio M5L ?
17:08:30Nico_Pbeanz: big how ? HDD space ?
17:08:30Domonokyoh sorry, yes its iAudio
17:08:43beanzNico_P: yes
17:08:58Nico_Pbeanz: I think you can get up to 60 GB
17:09:16beanzI will take a look.
17:09:19beanzThanks very much :)
17:09:27amiconnM5L is only available as 20GB
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17:09:56pondlifeThe F60 seems to have a quoted battery life of 15-16h
17:10:40pondlifeAh, can someone (Nico_P?) perhaps check my recent commit doesn't result in unexpected spin-ups to read ID3 data...
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17:11:18Nico_Ppondlife: I'll have a look
17:11:43pondlifeIt seems ok, but on the sim it's hard to tell. It certainly fixes the problem I've been having for 3 months!
17:11:56Nico_Ppondlife: which problem was that ?
17:12:20Nico_PI don't finc the commit message very clear...
17:13:16pondlifeHmm, it was hard to describe. Basically if you have 32 tracks buffered then it occasionally displayed old details on the WPS.
17:13:26pondlifeAnd used old track length info etc.
17:13:43pondlifeNot very common unless you have low bitrate or mono files of course
17:14:05pondlifeSo I've invalidated the tag data when it starts to buffer a new file
17:14:34amiconnMoB ....
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17:15:08pondlifeBut this annoyed the hell out of me, so...
17:15:17pondlifeSadly I couldn't do MoB in 20 mins.
17:15:56pondlifeHmm, the Gigabeat reviews often comment on poor sound quality. Is this an issue, or perhaps firmware related?
17:16:43markunpondlife: I think it's firmware related
17:17:06pondlifeSo Rockbox fixes most of the "Cons"...
17:17:09*amiconn wonders whether that's really the case
17:17:17markunas people were almost going crazy when they heard the sound from version 3 of the OF
17:17:41pondlifeSeveral reviews mention "Lack of bass" in particular
17:17:58pondlifeOr over-quiet sound regardless of headphones
17:18:09markunamiconn: I'm not saying that it's the best sounding player, but people stopped complaining after the 3.0 firmware.
17:18:15amiconnFor some reason the sound quality of all the swcodec targets, although differing between those targets itself, isn't quite as good as on the MAS targets
17:18:47amiconnComparing the swcodec I know myself, H1x0/H300 are the worst
17:19:00markunat least the headphone out
17:19:09amiconn..comparing headphone out, yes
17:19:09pondlifeFunny - I was just typing "As long as it's at least as good as an H300"
17:19:18pondlifeLine out for me
17:19:41amiconnAt home I use s/pdif out on H180, so that's a non-issue there
17:19:49markunlinuxstb: what do you think of the Gigabeat sound compared to your other players?
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17:20:21markunpondlife: you could also ask Llorean and LinusN to compare
17:20:52Nico_PI honestly couldn't say
17:21:14Nico_Pmaybe once I get my H320 back I'll compare
17:21:53pondlifeI'd be interested. Hopefully my H340 will last a while yet, but I'm on the lookout for the next generation...
17:21:54*moos have to admit that ondio sounds better than iriver and iaudio, for him
17:22:05markunat least to me my F40 doesn't sound bad at all
17:22:18Nico_Psame here
17:22:19*amiconn agrees with moos on that
17:22:36FebsOf course, let us not forget that Rockbox in general sounds like a bag of shit.
17:22:49pondlifeTrue :)
17:22:50mooshehe :)
17:22:57markuncompletely forgot about that :)
17:23:01amiconnThe iAudios are the best sounding swcodec among my collection, but MAS35xxF is still better
17:23:07linuxstbmarkun: The gigabeat sounds nice. I haven't done any proper tests, but I would rate my ipod 5g top out of that ipod, my ipod Photo and my h140. The gigabeat is at least as good as the 5g, maybe better.
17:23:20pondlifeMy Archos Recorder V1 had audible hard drive noise on playback
17:23:23moosamiconn: same here
17:23:28amiconnThen I don't know the gigabeat
17:25:23perl|worklinuxstb uh oh
17:25:46perl|workipod, be it 4g or 5g, has nothing on gigabeat in term of sound quality
17:25:50perl|workliterally nothing
17:25:56perl|workits like heaven and hell
17:26:25markunpersonally I doubt the difference will be very big for me
17:26:48perl|workit takes a pair of decent headphones
17:29:16markunperl|work: maybe it's just that the ipods can't drive your decent headphones?
17:29:25linuxstbperl|work: I'll do a comparison with my ER4s and let you know.
17:29:46perl|workmarkun they cant even drive the mid class
17:29:52*pixelma fully agrees on the statement about sound quality on Ondio and Iaudio - even if it's a bit late :)
17:30:43perl|workmarkun original firmware sounds like somebody was trying to make a joke
17:30:52markunof the ipod?
17:30:58perl|workwith rockbox, at least, with a lot of tweaking, its better
17:31:01perl|workyes, ipod
17:35:05perl|workmaybe i havent heard enough hardware players (but i did hear x5, 3 different ipods and bunch of non rockboxed ones) but gigabeat is amazing sounding one
17:35:37perl|workbe it headphones or proper hi fi system
17:35:40Nico_Ppondlife: I don't see any shocking unusual disk activity
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17:37:47Nico_Ppondlife: but don't rely on this alone
17:38:23Nico_Ppixelma: just tested an X5 sim... I get the crash too so it should be easy to debug :)
17:38:37pondlifeThe sim shows each file being opened 3 times, but I don't think this is new.. it's playlist_peek mainly
17:38:44pondlifeAm looking into it...
17:40:59pondlifeWell, it was not a result of my commit at least
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17:42:57pixelmapondlife: that's with his tokenizer patch
17:43:57pondlifeNo, I meant the 3 file opens was not new...
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17:46:05Nico_Ppixelma: I solved the bug... it was one that only appeared recently
17:47:28Nico_Ppixelma: would you agree to do a quick test, just to confir it's fixed ?
17:47:56pixelmasure I'll try - but somethings not quite working as it should when loading the metadata isn't quite new - have that on Ondio ever since
17:49:20Nico_Phmm what I just solved isn't related to metadata
17:49:40Nico_Pyou said you wre seeing garbage when the metadata isn't reday ?
17:51:08pixelmamaybe these are really two different things because the first version worked on M5... just thought that the crash is related because it displayed everything else in the wps fine ...
17:52:06pixelma...on Ondio you can see a few characters displayed for a very short time before the actual tag info is available - too short to really recognise something
17:52:36Nico_PI might have an idea about that
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17:56:33pixelmaNico_P... against what svn revision was the patch made?
17:56:51Nico_Ppixelma: 13001 I think
17:57:00Nico_Pfuzz is normal
17:57:21pixelmayepp... but there are also failed hunks
17:57:48pixelmamost probably pondlife's commit (did an svn up before)
17:59:09Nico_Pthis one works for me after having reverted my tree
17:59:28Nico_Pand it also includes a possible fix for the garbage on your ondio
18:02:44pixelmasorry, I'm still confused - which revision should I use now?
18:02:56amiconnNico_P: Btw, hwcodec sims simulate at least loading of the track and advancing playtime. They don't actually play and also don't detect end-of-track. Skipping is possible
18:03:10amiconnAfter fixing, progressbars do work in svn player sim too
18:03:57Nico_Ppixelma: latest should be fine
18:04:55Nico_Pamiconn: yes, I've included your changes in my patch, both progressbars work fine now
18:05:32amiconnI've broken them in my full unicode support commits, and didn't notice earlier because I usually don't use them
18:05:59*amiconn also thinks they're coded in a particularly cumbersome way
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18:07:23Nico_Pis it related ?
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18:26:45pixelmaNico_P: when compiling your latest version for the Ondio (target) I get 3 warnings about "align.left may be used uninitialized in this function" ( /align.right too) ... doesn't happen with the M5 build
18:27:13pixelmain gui/gwps-common.c:1786
18:27:27Nico_Pok, i'll fix those, thanks
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18:29:05pixelmaah didn't see it before... in function "gui_wps_refresh"
18:33:00Nico_Ppixelma: didn't see what ?
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18:34:16pixelmain which function the warnings were
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18:37:00pixelmaok - no crash on M5 anymore
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18:42:56pixelmaNico_P: the garbage on Ondio is gone too. I also tried with active memory guard which gave me crashes with error message before - that also worked
18:43:13pixelma(on both targets)
18:43:14pondlifeHmm ,why does a logf build include the logf/logfdump options in both the System and Debug menus...?
18:43:36Nico_Ppixelma: That means I was right about what caused the crash :D
18:43:42Nico_Ppixelma: thanks a lot for your testing
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18:56:32amiconnNico_P: It may be related, but not the same thing. This report is from before my first changes regarding player lcd
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18:57:03Nico_Pamiconn: ok
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18:57:15pondlifeHmm, why the red?
18:57:37pondlife"WARNING: The compiler you must use (m68k-elf-gcc) is not in your path!"
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18:58:11amiconnBecause kermit has obviously gone mad and lost his m68k-elf-gcc
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19:28:19icegood evening
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19:42:38bluebrotherhmm. Another task I'm wondering if it's of any use: FS #6959
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19:44:19toni1dan_a: Are you still working on the sansa?
19:45:07dan_atoni1: i've had some health problems and have had no time for rockbox at all
19:45:54toni1ok, don't worry. Did you see my workaround for the sound improvement?
19:46:22dan_ai did - where you stop flushing the cache in the LCD driver?
19:47:23toni1yes exactly, that seems to solve the problem. better solution would of cause be dma-ing the audio data, but it may be difficult?
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19:49:47dan_aThat needs someone to get their head round the DMA hardware - there is a description of how the Sansa uses it in MrH's NAND interface docs. DMA'd audio would be good for all the PP targets, I imagine.
19:50:56dan_aI don't really like the idea of not flushing the cache when it is actually needed for the display to work properly - a better solution would be to find out how to only flush the framebuffer cache, or have the framebuffer in uncached RAM
19:52:06toni1I think the OF does it in the same way we do: use cached data without flushing, but there is no clear_screen() function.
19:52:30toni1So simply update the necessary region.
19:54:25toni1And they very rarely stop dma-ing. I measured 6mA less current when LCD_REG_6 was xored with 1.
19:54:26dan_aif we write to &(framebuffer+64MB) then that should be an alias of the framebuffer which does not get cached
19:55:15toni1that simple?
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19:56:02pixelmabluebrother: afaik "current dir" works there though I haven't tried lately and especially not with "recording screen as startup" option
19:56:22toni1dan_a: Another topic: I tried latest mpegplayer and still get the hiss sound.
19:57:15dan_aI'd not noticed any hissing, but I've not been following Rockbox for a couple of weeks
19:57:42toni1It's only with the mpegplayer.
20:00:50toni1It seems to be related to a memory problem. I suspect an overwriting of some table entries in the audio codec, because even after deactivating the video-thread the hiss remains.
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20:02:52dan_athat's weird... hopefully in a week or so i'll be able to get hacking on it again
20:03:51toni1That would be very good indeed.
20:04:41pixelmabluebrother: ah no... somehow I misunderstood... since it's not remembered over reboots in what directory you were in it couldn't work
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20:05:59linuxstbtoni1: Do I remember correctly that you said you found a strange way to fix the audio problems in mpegplayer on the Sansa? Moving something to or from IRAM?
20:06:44linuxstbIt sounds like the same problem I experienced for a short time on my ipod - moving some variables out of IRAM fixed it for my ipod, but it sounds like it didn't fix it everywhere...
20:06:55toni1yes, that was one way to solve the problem. Another solution was to add some global dummy variables.
20:08:16toni1Maybe a 'wild pointer' writes into the audio codec tables?
20:08:41linuxstbIt's possible.
20:08:50amiconnToo bad we don't have memory guard for PP
20:09:30linuxstbtoni1: Is your emulator still lacking COP support?
20:10:11toni1yes, I stopped development there, because working on the real device is more fun.
20:10:17amiconnOn SH it already helped me tracking down some overwriting bugs with some trickery (i.e. protecting the area that shouldn't be overwritten, in order to see which part of the code does it)
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20:11:04amiconnE.g the crash in chopper.rock (which only crashed on archos but had an overwriting bug on all targets, just that it didn't hit that hard on the others)
20:13:15toni1amiconn: If we only knew which table is affected. I remember there are a lot in the mpa codec.
20:14:04linuxstbjhMikeS: I've just tested your gigabeat lcd_yuv_blit - my hardest test file (a 1150kbit/s 352x240 VCD file) played at around 19fps before your change, and is now around 26fps...
20:14:09toni1Or it might be possible to check the whole region.
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20:14:55perl|worklinuxstb, jhMikeS: do you want my "green", jumpy video?
20:15:43linuxstbjhMikeS: But it's a 29.97fps file, so still some work to do ;)
20:16:10linuxstbperl|work: I'm always happy to accept test videos...
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20:17:59amiconnlinuxstb: Does mpegplayer use mpa.codec or a linked copy of libmad?
20:19:32linuxstba linked copy of libmad down? ;(
20:20:43lexSorry, SMF was unable to connect to the database. This may be caused by the server being busy. Please try again later.
20:20:46lexactually mysql only then
20:21:42lexyay it works
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20:23:02amiconnlinuxstb: Then the reason for the hiss can't be that it's overwriting tables in libmad - unless it writes way outside its own area right into the codec ram
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20:23:09lexnot anymore
20:23:43amiconn(and a reload of mpa.codec, by playing a non-mpa track followed by an mpa track should fix the hiss if that's the case)
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20:23:54bennyhinnive got a gigabeat F20 but this rockbox business has interested me
20:24:41Aloneabennyhinn: its completely awesome. I got a F40
20:25:00bennyhinnive got a very old firmware version on this beat and im lookin to upgrade
20:25:28linuxstbamiconn: I'm not following, mpegplayer links with libmad - it doesn't use mpa.codec...
20:26:04amiconn[20:08:17] <toni1> Maybe a 'wild pointer' writes into the audio codec tables?
20:26:39amiconnHmm, maybe I had a slight misunderstanding there
20:26:49Aloneabennyhinn: with rockbox you get a lot of nice stuff, like video (though its not perfect yet), games, gameboy (and color) emu., text viewer, etc. Its easy to put on (as long as you follow the instructions and don't do things that were never said to do in the manual) and you can always go back to your old firmware.
20:27:09linuxstbI assume toni1 meant the libmad parts of mpegplayer.
20:27:11bennyhinnis rockbox user friendly
20:27:16amiconnI thought he meant the hiss remains after quitting mpegplayer, but he just said it remained when deactivating the video thread
20:27:24bennyhinni would consider itunes to be extremely user friendly
20:27:59linuxstbitunes makes me angry and frustrated... I wouldn't call that friendly.
20:28:38linuxstbI would say Rockbox assumes a certain amount of computer literacy from its users though.
20:29:01Aloneasame here. I like rockbox just fine and find it easy to use. and like I said, you can try it out for a while and if you don't like it, then go back to original.
20:29:36nlsor fix it ;-)
20:29:41linuxstbbennyhinn: But itunes is an application on your PC, Rockbox is a replacement firmware for your DAP.
20:30:06amiconnlinuxstb: The tables should be easy to check with a bit of debug code in the core
20:30:28amiconnYou know where they are from the map file
20:30:58amiconnJust dump them once from the core after loading mpegplayer but before running it, and a second time after quitting mpegplayer
20:31:00bennyhinnyeah but
20:31:06amiconnCompare the files
20:31:29bennyhinnwhat do you use to transfer files and stuf to rockbox - ie windows media player?
20:32:05linuxstbamiconn: That's a good idea.
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20:32:26linuxstbAlthough it only seems to be on the Sansa, and I don't have one.
20:33:15amiconnHmm, perhaps it's not only on sansa
20:33:24Aloneabennyhinn: its drag and drop hun. like a hard drive.
20:33:35amiconnIt might be though; afaik the sansa lcd_yuv_blit() does rotate (?)
20:34:00bennyhinnoh really? dont come more user friendly than that
20:34:08bennyhinnso its not in the traditional .sat format
20:34:14Aloneabennyhinn: you set up your folders how you want, like I have Music, Video, Books, and Gameboy folder as my organizational style.
20:34:31Aloneabennyhinn: nope, and if you need help converting those back to mp3, there is a way.
20:34:56bennyhinnwouldnt it be great, if there were some kind of hax to re-arrange the file structure to imitate an ipod, so you could use itunes, for your one stop media needs
20:35:22nlsbennyhinn: there is
20:35:32bennyhinnno kidding?
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20:36:55bennyhinnseems good, but is it a memory hog
20:37:07GodEaterbennyhinn: not when I tried it
20:37:16GodEaterbarely registered in task manager
20:37:22bennyhinni wouldve prefered a firmware u could put on ur gigabeat to make it compatible with itunes
20:37:56bennyhinnlets try this baby out
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20:40:01linuxstbbennyhinn: That's not possible - ipods respond to requests for identification info via the (software) USB connection. I don't think you could mimic that on the gigabeat.
20:41:17peturbah... .NET 2.0 bloatware
20:42:43*amiconn clearly prefers .net apps over java crap
20:43:08*petur prefers neither
20:43:31bennyhinnlinuxstb does that mean this itunes agent thing wont work either
20:43:48linuxstbNo, that itunes agent thing sits between itunes and your gigabeat.
20:44:18bennyhinnso that means yes it will work?
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20:45:11JavaMan22how do you rate songs on rockbox?
20:45:14JavaMan22i have a ipod video
20:46:51bennyhinndag nammit
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21:01:34bluebrotherJavaMan22: use the context menu from the wps
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21:09:04JavaMan22it doesnt say anything
21:09:09JavaMan22about rating
21:09:42nlsJavaMan22: do you use the database and have "gather runtime data" enabled?
21:10:15JavaMan22gather runtime data..
21:10:25JavaMan22ill make sure i have that enabled
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21:39:16ise_jhulst: hey there, did you get my pm's about the neuros osd?
21:39:56jhulstise_: yeah, I got one, was there more than that?
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21:42:18toffe82jhulst: did you manage to connect the hd direct to a computer ?
21:42:42ise_toffe82: i just replied to your forum post
21:42:49ise_toffe82: have you read it?
21:43:28toffe82not yet
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21:44:55jhulsttoffe82: We haven't gotten the adapter yet
21:45:05jhulstsorry, meant for ise
21:45:06toffe82ise_: you have an advantage on us with the gigabeat S30 , you have an updater you can debug so you can find how the program load the firmware on the zen
21:45:39toffe82once you find this, you don't have to open anymore your zen
21:46:07toffe82so you should be working on the updater
21:46:26bennyhinncan rockbox handle AAC
21:46:34bennyhinnthe audio format
21:46:39bennyhinn(please say yes)
21:48:09GodEateronly the un-DRM-crippled sort though
21:48:19GodEateri.e. not bought from iTunes
21:48:35jhulstise_: What experience do you have? Programming?
21:49:29toffe82jhulst, ise_ : to debug the updater you can use IDA pro or ollydbg (this one is free and really good)
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21:50:20jhulsttoffe82: sounds good, thanks
21:50:53ise_jhulst: My programming experience is from a fair fair number of years, I started on Basic and went mainly into web-based, php, mysql, xml, html, asp, etc etc. I do have an ability to pick up languages fairly quickly though and I already have a basic understanding of C++, Java, Delphi and others
21:51:01bluebrotherbennyhinn: see the wiki, there is a page lising the supported codecs (SoundCodecs? AudioCodecs? Just search ...)
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21:51:50ise_the updater? u mean the windows firewire updater I downloaded from the creative site?
21:52:41bluebrotherbennyhinn: see here:
21:53:14jhulstise_: Yes the firmware updater from Creative
21:53:19ise_toffe82, jhulst: I'm assuming then that the two of you have the 30Gb version?
21:53:32ise_toffe82, jhulst: Do you two not have that?
21:53:41jhulsttoffe82: Toshiba hasn't released a firmware update for the Gigabeat?
21:54:04jhulstise_: I have the 60 gb version, but the test player I got is 30
21:54:20ise_I too have the 60Gb version
21:54:54ise_jhulst: I am just wondering what toffe82 was meaning before when he said I have an advantage on you with the gigabeat S30?
21:55:02jhulstise_: I don't think toffe has one at all
21:55:11jhulsthe is working on the gigabeat port
21:55:17ise_ah i see
21:55:30jhulstsounds like they don't have a firmware update yet
21:56:12ise_what OS you running?
21:56:57jhulstise_: linux, It looks like I'm going to have to reinstall Windows, maybe a virtual machine but I don't know if that will work
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21:57:40ise_which linux distro? I'm on PCLinuxOS, if you're on a Debian based one, you might want to try somet I have in mind
21:58:17jhulstSuse on my laptop, Gentoo on my desktop
21:58:21jhulstWhats your idea?
21:58:42ise_Something I was reading on the Neuros OSD page about connecting to the chipset using minicom
22:00:12toffe82jhulst ise_ : you will need windows to analyze the updater, and I don't have a zen ;)
22:00:12jhulstdo you have a link? More details?
22:00:36toffe82just trying to help
22:00:50ise_toffe82: well any help is appreciated
22:01:01ise_jhulst: yeah gimme a sec, i'll find it. What's your experience?
22:01:29saratogaseems like you need a Windows hacker who can figure out what the firmware update program actually does
22:02:34toffe82ise_: as we have the same problem on the gigabeat S , all what you find can benefit us ;) and vice versa
22:02:46Bagderise_: they don't connect to the "chipset"
22:02:59Bagderthe neuros OSD runs u-boot and linux so that's what you connect against
22:03:12ise_yes Im just rereading the page
22:03:23ise_It was under hacking the OSD
22:03:28ise_I misread sorry
22:03:34Bagderit's very standard procedure embedded linux
22:04:09ise_toffe82: Is the gigabeat using the same chipset? or is your problem also a checksum problem?
22:04:30Bagderthe gigabeat is entirely different
22:04:40Bagderwell, except perhaps the arm9 core
22:06:05ise_saratoga: figuring out what the firmware does is what im going to attempt to do
22:06:13ise_saratoga: firmware updater sorry
22:06:16jhulstise_: My experience is mainly in programming C, Java, C++, I do know some assembly, not ARM core
22:06:33ise_is the firmware in ARM then?
22:07:03Bagderand c54 dsp
22:07:52ise_two more languages to learn then?
22:08:07ise_How would it be possible to view their raw data?
22:08:44saratogayou mean the firmware image?
22:08:56ise_would that be the nk.bin?
22:09:02saratogai believe so
22:09:05saratogaits all ARM
22:09:20saratogaso i think its the code for the player
22:09:34ise_how can I view it ARM? i thought it would have been compiled already into an undecodable binary
22:09:57Bagderyou disassemble
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22:10:20preglowby no means impossible
22:10:21ise_would that work on the nk.bin?
22:10:22Bagderwith a disassembler that converts the binary back into ARM assembly
22:10:51ise_ah so ARM is an assembly derivative? excellent, I can do that
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22:11:15Bagderise_: every CPU family has their own assembly, including ARM
22:11:21saratoga1the nk.bin file is arm binary
22:11:35saratoga1you can dissassemble it into op codes which are, in theory, readible by humans
22:11:42ise_jhulst: if I dissassemble the nk.bin would you want to go over it with me?
22:11:42saratoga1i dumped the installer program, its just a tiny stub of x86 at the top and the rest is all data (probably the arm stuff and images, fonts, etc)
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22:12:09xamoxanyone know why I am getting a "Use iTunes to restore" when I boot, but if I plug in USB it will load the firmare?
22:12:26toffe82ise_: the zen use pmc (portable media center) as the gigabeat S does, so the procedure to load the firmware on the hd must be closed, I think they used some standard library
22:12:35jhulstise_: yes, that would be good
22:13:02saratoga1my theory is that the x86 in the installer program hashes over the firmware it extracts to check that it hasn't been modified, then it copies it over
22:13:08jhulstise_: unfortunately, school has kept me busy lately but it should be slowing down a little
22:13:20saratoga1it might be possible to change the test instruction to accept firmwares that didn't match the hash check
22:13:23toffe82jhulst, ise_ : check the gigabeat S port page to see the structure of the files
22:13:37saratoga1in which case, we wouldn't even need to care how the process worked
22:13:51ise_or figure out a keygen for the hashing technique?
22:13:57perl|workxamox disable automatic updates in itunes?
22:14:03perl|workset everything to "manual"
22:14:04saratoga1well that would be best, but maybe harder
22:14:11perl|workwhereever you see the option to
22:14:20ise_toffe: could you post the link please?
22:14:32xamoxperl|work, so I have to reflash with ITunes? Then with rockbox?
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22:15:17perl|workxamox make sure your ipod is working perfectly woth original firmware
22:15:25xamoxperl|work, alright, thx.
22:15:28perl|workthen follow the instructions on the rockbox site
22:15:31ise_Anyway I can figure out what the firmware updater was programmed in?
22:16:01ise_toffe82: thanx, i'll take a look
22:16:44toffe82ise_: the updater is in mcosoft C++ v6 I think if I remember what I saw
22:16:56toffe82microsoft^^ ;)
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22:19:05ise_ok, im going to try and use Dragon Unpacker on the firmware updater, see what it can find.
22:19:40ise_i need to restart to windows however, see you in a bit!
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22:32:15nlsWell, yay now I get sound only in the right channel on my h300 :-/ any tips around or do I have to get the soldering iron and a new jack?
22:33:04nlsUsing the line out works fine so the dac chip is ok and the headphones are ok too
22:35:19peturmaybe first try resoldering?
22:36:16nlshmm, the left channel comes back if I apply even very light pressure to the connector, but yeah I will try that
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22:36:56nlsalso what is the difference between the line out and regular headphone out on h300?
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22:38:21peturthe amp in the chip (and impedance)
22:38:45nlsso it will have a harder time driving the phones?
22:39:05peturmore or less like this: the headphones are current-driven, line-out is voltage driven
22:39:35nlsyep, definetly doesn't sound the same...
22:40:25bluebrothernls: tried contact spray?
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22:40:45nlsno, it just happened today
22:41:17nlsI thought I had killed the headphone cable until I tried it in the lin out
22:41:23bluebrotherI have a similar issue with my h120 but I haven't got around replacing the headphone jack yet.
22:41:46peturcould simply be a broken soldering
22:42:26nlsI will open it up and do some visual inspection and probably try resoldering during the easter holiday :-)
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23:07:05toni1linuxstb: my latest results on the mpegplayer audio hiss problem on the sansa:
23:07:41toni1after removing all video related stuff and feeding pure mp3 audio data the hiss remains.
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23:08:10toni1so it might be related to the codec loading?
23:08:16linuxstb_What do you mean by removing all video stuff? Not running the video thread at all?
23:08:40toni1yes, completely removed.
23:09:21linuxstb_Have you tried increasing the stack size for the audio thread?
23:09:52toni1no, but that might be a good idea for tomorrow.
23:10:21toni1today I will stop hunting that problem.
23:10:52linuxstb_Did you read amiconn's suggestion in the logs? Dumping the contents of const data from libmad at the start and end of mpegplayer?
23:11:04linuxstb_(getting the info from the map file)
23:11:17toni1No, but that might be another good idea.
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23:18:12toffe82jhulst: are you there ?
23:18:23jhulsttoffe82: yes
23:19:53toffe82I downlaod the latest update of the zen M , run it and found this : it create a folder on the c drive : C:\CtJbFW\cttemp which contains a file Jboxcrl.crl
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23:20:47toffe82when you analyze this file it seems to be the program to start the flash on the player, it is a small progamm 56k
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23:22:27toffe82perhaps with a player connected, it create first the file to uplaod in the same directory
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23:23:14jhulsttoffe82: I think somebody had found that too, I'm not sure how far it was taken, I still have to get my Windows running again so I can start looking at that
23:23:33jhulsttoffe82: That's good to know though, thanks for checking it out
23:24:01jhulstI got OllyDbg up and running and have started to look through the uploader, interesting stuff in there
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23:28:39toffe82check the files it creates when it run and when the player is connected
23:31:02jhulstokay, right now I'm running it under WINE so I'm not sure how it would work to actually connect to the player
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23:51:02sslashesfor anyone interested in the SoC WPS re-implementation effort, have a look and post some comments/edits:
23:52:56sslashes^ the link should be
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23:56:01posingaspopularhey my rockbox is broken, i removed the folder from my ipod, and now it won't boot up, it keeps telling me the rockbox bootloader is missing, but i know thats the case since i removed it. why wont it boot back to the regular ipod display?
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23:57:43peturjust deleting stuff is not the way to uninstall
23:57:52nlsposingaspopular: try toggeling hold on when booting to go to the original firmware
23:57:56posingaspopularpetur, opps
23:58:21nlsposingaspopular: the way to uninstall is following the instructions in the manual
23:58:41nlsfound at the end of the installation chapter
23:58:50sslashesposingaspopular: try turning hold on and off when booting - you need to revert to the origional apple firmware to remove rockbox completely - read the install docs
23:58:53posingaspopularnls, that worked, thanks

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