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#rockbox log for 2007-04-03

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00:01:24corevettehow come games like frozen bubbles go so slow?
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00:02:16nlscorevette: because thew cpu speed varies when you are playing music, and the game doesn't change the cpu speed itself
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00:02:38corevetteso how would i make it go faster?
00:02:53nlswhich player?
00:03:05isejhulst: bit of a problem... Seems my Windows Vista I actually paid good money for has now been claimed as "Not Genuine"
00:03:06preglowi like the fact that games are dependent on cpu speed...
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00:04:10nlspreglow: blubbles tries to draw a crazy amount of frames per second on some targets, iirc 40 on nano for example
00:05:08preglowwhy aren't they coded to go for a target fps?
00:05:15preglowthat's how games are normally coded
00:05:23preglowimagine how pc games would be if they were cpu speed dependent
00:05:48The_Onethey used to be
00:05:57nlspreglow: it does but when the codec eats the cpu it can't keep up and it doesn't boost
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00:37:45pearldiverlinuxstb here?
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00:52:50linuxstbpearldiver: Yes.\
00:53:09pearldiverwould love to try your new little fix
00:54:50 Quit ender` (" The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of yo)
00:55:06linuxstbA patch is here -
00:55:38linuxstbThis is the fix I mentioned to you (reducing the sleep between frames to something sensible), plus another a/v sync fix.
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01:02:08*jhMikeS was just messing with sync stuff. video output is perfectly smooth.
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01:03:35toffe82jhMikeS: I will send you the broken lcd tomorrow, you can do what you want with it, I have more broken ones
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01:04:21jhMikeStoffe82: sweet, I really can't wait to see if I can get something out of it
01:05:24pearldiverjhMikeS even the 29.97 is smooth?
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01:05:53jhMikeSI have to get one of those. Will check in a sec.
01:06:25pearldiverdid you get the link from markun?
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01:07:31jhMikeSI got it but wasn't around...I tried them but they're down :(
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01:13:01pearldiverlinuxstb well , the green is still there
01:13:28pearldiveroverall quality is worse as well
01:13:42pearldiverblocking is much more visible than before markun's commited fix
01:14:00pearldiverso, artifacting, blocking and green
01:14:41Aloneayeah, I took the markun thing off and but color how it was originally
01:15:15pearldiveri think he should revert it
01:15:52Aloneapearldiver: did you revert yours? I just looked at the diff and changed the code back to how it was.
01:16:20jhMikeSyes, 29.97 is just like a tv set :)
01:16:39pearldiverjhMikeS you mean smooth?
01:16:42pearldiverAlonea i didnt
01:16:52pearldiverjhMikeS hmmm
01:16:54jhMikeSwhat lowpass filtering can do
01:17:41Aloneapearldiver: ^___^ I am picky and impatient.
01:18:21jhMikeSexcept you'll never get passed the tearing from the refresh rate difference to the lcd refresh
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01:22:52jhMikeSthese videos are a little too heavy for the decoder though
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01:26:47JerryLangeI have a question about the new wiki page "ViewDrawing"
01:31:31pixelmajust ask - someone who can answer might see the question... all I know though is that the page was set up by someone who's in here as sslashes
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01:36:16JerryLangeyeah i figured they were away. Ill come back later to ask about it but I can ask my question now.
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01:37:03JerryLangeWouldn't it be easiewr to use one tar file rather then have 5 folders and more sub folders? Although I do like the fact that everything is under ONE folder rather then how it is now
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01:47:11jhulstise: That's too bad about Vista, did you get it figured out?
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01:50:29linuxstbjhMikeS: Have you been working on mpegplayer?
01:51:12iseno i didnt, i'm going to get an old copy of XP and install rr0d
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01:51:46iseits a kernel mode debugger, so hopefully that might give us some information on whats happening when the firmware tries to update
01:52:00isejhulst: sorry, i forgot to name you at the beginning
01:52:42jhMikeSlinuxstb: a bit. just started messing with it. I'm trying out your patch in conjunction with my stuff.
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01:53:18jhMikeSv_eta is the absolute stream time?
01:53:48jhulstise: okay, you probably could just call Microsoft but whatever, I got OllyDBG to work under WINE so I can look a little at firmware updater
01:53:48linuxstbThere are many different versions of time...
01:54:24isejhulst: don't you worry i will most definately be onto Microsoft, if to at least get my £300 back!
01:54:25linuxstbv_eta is the time of the video frame according to the PTS.
01:54:30jhMikeSI'm trying to figure out what's what and see what sort of stuff I can cook up...
01:54:41jhMikeSand PTS is what now?
01:54:49linuxstbThe Presentation Timestamp
01:54:51isejhulst: but in the meantime, and since the firmware updater I got is for XP and not vista, would give a better impression.
01:54:56linuxstbIt's in the program stream packets.
01:55:07jhMikeSok, I'm just getting up to speed here :)
01:55:19linuxstbIt seems that these values don't match the expected times of the frames if you display them at the specified framerate...
01:55:42linuxstbe.g. markun gave me a stream which had 60 or so frames within the first second.
01:55:45jhulstise: What are you analyzing it with?
01:55:50linuxstb(a 29.97fps file)
01:56:11jhMikeSI see you divide by 90000 to get samples from the PTS but everything else is 27Mhz ticks?
01:56:15linuxstbSo all these different times are a way to adjust to those inconsistencies.
01:56:18iserr0d, its the open source version of SoftIce
01:56:34linuxstbPTS is 90KHz. 27MHz is the unit for the "frame duration".
01:56:50linuxstbPlus I'm also using 44.1KHz to sync against the audio stream.
01:57:29linuxstbAll this stuff needs cleaning up, I'm still in the process of discovering the peculiarities of mpeg streams...
01:57:30jhMikeSof course.
01:57:33isejhulst: its a kernel debugger, which should be able to give us the code in asm of what the firmware debugger is doing, how it is accessing the USB, and HOPEFULLY the checksum :P
01:58:29jhMikeS60 or so frames in the first second sounds like 60 fields which would be just fine
01:58:52linuxstbNo, it's frames... Subsequent seconds have the expect ~30 frames.
01:58:58linuxstb^expected are streams like that legal?
01:59:19linuxstbWithout that change, markun's file had video playing about a second after the audio.
01:59:36linuxstbI've no idea...
02:00:13jhMikeShmmm...I'm in the frame of mind to actually look at some open source software and just borrow from their troubles
02:00:24linuxstbAll this is going to cause hell when seeking is implemented...
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02:01:34jhMikeSmmm...perhaps. really the stream should be reset and given a new starting point up front.
02:01:39linuxstbI've been looking a little at the mplayer source - that seems to play anything you throw at it in sync.
02:02:18jhMikeSI was having the same thought...should probably say everything you need if so
02:05:30linuxstbOne remaining issue I'm aware of is that I'm probably not correctly matching the audio PTS values with the audio frame being decoded. Code similar to that in my patch for v_eta should be used.
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02:06:23linuxstbThis makes the audio delay inaccurate by about 1/44th of a second, so it's not really noticable, but it's still wrong.
02:08:07jhMikeSso the audio frames have them too?
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02:08:40linuxstbYes, and the same problems - 44100 samples may not be 1 second of PTS timestamps...
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02:09:11jhMikeSif so, the audio should set a current timestamp variable the video can look at
02:09:51linuxstbYes, that might work.
02:10:35linuxstbIt's only recently that I've been paying proper attention to the PTS values. I naively assumed that they weren't important if the audio and video were just played at the correct rates...
02:10:37jhMikeSI think meybe there should just be a global stream time variable calculated in the best most accurate way available
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02:12:24jhMikeSI suppose that finer estimates can be interpolated from the audio clock
02:12:33linuxstbCurrently there's "samplesplayed", which relates to the samples actually played through the DAC. That's the master clock...
02:13:02linuxstb(actually, "s", which is samplesplayed - pcm_get_bytes_remaining())
02:13:17jhMikeSright, I had to use that to get late time negative feedback
02:15:16jhMikeSso I've got it taking late and feeding that negatively back into the scheduled time. also, some simple moving average lowpass filtering on some stuff which makes it play extremely smoothly
02:16:02linuxstbWhat did you do about the sleep() in the video thread that waits for the time to display that frame?
02:16:29linuxstbThat sleep(4) seems to just be a test I left in the code...
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02:17:29jhMikeSgone...a tight loop with priority_yield
02:19:16jhMikeSyeah, that way it will see it's ready in a timely manner. though it seems to get stuck once the video hits the stream end even though I break the loop when videostatus != STREAM_PLAYING.
02:21:07linuxstbYes, there seem to be problems relating to the thread communications...
02:21:51jhMikeSit only happens if I hit the end of stream and try to quit the player
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02:24:10linuxstbDo you have a patch? I'm curious to see what you've done...
02:24:13jhMikeSdo all streams have PTS or is that optional?
02:24:37linuxstbI think it's optional...
02:24:45linuxstbBut I'm not sure I've seen a stream without them.
02:24:53jhMikeSNo, I don't have a patch because trying to incorporate your PTS stuff has it messed at the moment :)
02:25:17linuxstbOK, no problem. It's 1.25am here anyway...
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02:27:11jhMikeSnow that I have some idea of what the stuff means I'll think about how to put it together
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02:31:56linuxstbOn a slightly different subject, do you think it would be straightforward to incorporate DSP processing into mpegplayer? resampling is the obvious one, but maybe even things like crossfeed and the EQ if the processor is up to the task...
02:32:59jhMikeSI think it could be incorporated using the codec's dsp since it's not active. The next playback start will reset it anyway.
02:35:04jhMikeSFrankly I don't see any reason not to use pcmbuf_insert...just doing what playback does.
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02:36:37linuxstbThat would be a lot simpler than what mpegplayer (and other plugins with sound) do currently...
02:36:54jhMikeSperhaps it would need a couple small adjustments but it should be straightforward
02:38:45linuxstbAnyway, time for sleep. Goodnight.
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02:41:06isetoffe82: i'm going to have to reinstall windows so i'm going to use rr0d and then XP. rr0d is an open source alternative to the late softice, a kernel debugger. I'm going to run the firmware update through it, would you be interested in the resulting dialog?
02:44:22toffe82I would like , but I don't have so many time now
02:46:08iseno i'll pm it to u in the forum if you wish, but it wont be till at least tomorrow
02:46:25iseim gonna give up for tonight
02:46:33isewatch some topgear n go sleep soon
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02:53:18toffe82ise: I just got my ionterface for hd with zif connector, it works fine
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02:53:45isetoffe82: excellent, have you taken a look at whats on the hard drive?
02:54:04isetoffe82: is it the same as what the wiki says for the gigabeat s30?
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03:02:37isetoffe82: brilliant, i hope jhulst finds the same when he is able to connect us his harddrive
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03:44:53pearldiverhow come my firmware/target/arm/gigabeat/meg-fx/lcd-meg-fx.c
03:45:09pearldiverdoesnt have markun's updates from 3 days ago
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03:51:39jhMikeSpearldiver: the yuv update? it's been transformed into asm in the last day.
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03:57:55pearldiveri see
03:59:15pearldiveri really dont like the things it introduced though
04:05:22jhMikeSsuch as?
04:06:36pearldiversuch as green tint and and too visible "blockiness"
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04:10:32jhMikeSwell, speed was the concern atm. if the decoder becomes more efficient, some extra precision can be easily added back. I looked for any tinting but didn't find anything terribly objectionable. The only extra blockiness I really saw was in the darkest colors...but again precision.
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04:12:17pearldivergot it
04:13:14pearldiverbut yes darkest colors look more blocky and green tinted now
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04:14:29Lloreanpearldiver: I have to very strongly disagree.
04:14:41LloreanI can't talk long, but before the YUV change, black was "dark gray"
04:15:00pearldiverbut now we have the same video we can reference to
04:15:11LloreanWith the change contrast has been increased to the proper level.
04:15:26LloreanHe was using the wrong math for it, assuming you're talking about Markun's change to the RGB->YUV math
04:15:37pearldiveryes i was talking about that
04:15:41LloreanIt's technically correct now
04:15:52jhMikeSthis stuff's adjustable anyway. tint control could prabably be added with little or no overhead actually
04:15:54LloreanIt's the math you're *supposed* to use.
04:15:54pearldiverso we can blame the video
04:16:02pearldivernot the mpegplayer now?
04:16:03LloreanYes, we should be blaming the video, most likely
04:16:08LloreanAt least for color concerns.
04:16:39LloreanTint control should be added though, but the YUV<->RGB math is "technically" correct, so at the very least that change needs to stay, and anything done to colors should be on top of it
04:16:51Lloreans/should be/could be
04:16:54jhMikeSI did cut a lot of precision out of the red and blue chroma but I've seen background blockiness on Elephants dream in every tint anyway
04:16:54pearldivergot it
04:17:13LloreanjhMikeS: Yeah, but he's talking about pre-ASM too, from what I got in the logs
04:17:25LloreanI may have missed things, I'm very... mobile right now. Was reading them on my phone.
04:17:37jhMikeSyes. that math was for full 0-255 range chroma and luma
04:17:57pearldiveryes, markun pre-asm introduced the "green" thing, latest jhMikeS's updates introduced "more blockiness"
04:18:10LloreanWell the green thing then is very likely the video.
04:18:18pearldiverafter change to ASM, green issue became better
04:18:23pearldiverbut still visible
04:18:24jhMikeSDarker stuff will be brighter now as a result though
04:19:01pearldiverok, sorted
04:19:16LloreanIf my connection drops, I'm out of cellphone range and won't be back for a couple hours probably
04:19:27LloreanjhMikeS: So does that mean "black" won't be black again?
04:20:00LloreanPre-markun-change I had a 2.35:1 video, so it had extra letterboxing, and they were dark gray against black, post change they matched the real black outside the video frame, but I haven't tried with your ASM yet
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04:23:55jhMikeSblack should be just black
04:24:49jhMikeSthe blue and red chromas were truncated more but rounded to compensate...the green is just truncated by one less bit but no rounding to help out.
04:28:13jhMikeSnot doing that added bunches of extra intructions to convert an RGB666 output to RGB565 and also reduced the output from about 40fps to 36 or so
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05:02:48LloreanjhMikeS: Yeah, when you said things would be "lighter" I instantly worried about black, ignoring that you didn't mention altering the luma at all
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05:10:05jhMikeSLuma is altered for sure but it's range in MPEG video is 16..235 but in JPEG 0..255. 16 being black and anything less being blacker. The function translates that range to the RGB range and clips if needed.
05:12:21LloreanjhMikeS: Yeah, and I think the old code assumed "0" was black for video.
05:12:25*Llorean isn't sure about that
05:12:31LloreanOld being pre changes by Markun
05:12:37LloreanOr maybe, his draft changes.
05:18:16jhMikeSright...the old routine was based on the correct coversion for JPEG
05:21:16LloreanYep, anyway, thanks for clearing that up a bit. :)
05:21:54LloreanI watched video on your routines on my flight, and didn't notice it being significantly worse as pearldiver describes, but I may just not be that picky. :)
05:22:47jhMikeSit's hard to be too picky when such massive bandwidth is involved :). the JPEG viewer routine is very precision oriented otoh
05:23:30LloreanYeah, I'd really love to see 30fps on scaled SVCD like Linuxstb mentioned.
05:24:06LloreanJust for the 'nifty' factor really
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05:24:23jhMikeSThe old routine was about 60% of the decoder load
05:24:34jhMikeSrunning elephant's dread anyway
05:24:51LloreanI noticed that we're at ~38fps on my fullscreen file right now.
05:25:01LloreanWhich means significantly less dropped frames during disk spinups
05:25:45jhMikeSI never saw dropping from disk spins...odd
05:26:01LloreanIt was a -qscale 2 file. 1150kbps 320x176 video
05:26:33LloreanIt was a 29.97fps file, with limiting off it hit about 34
05:26:42jhMikeSI think some spinup time compensation will be needed based on data rate
05:27:22LloreanIt'd drop a lot of frames during disk spinups, but I haven't tested it for several days (and don't have it available right now)
05:27:23jhMikeSI also think the decoder should rotate the video and also help with frame dropping
05:27:56LloreanIt only dropped 3% of frames during the entire file, but almost all of them were during spinups
05:28:14LloreanHelp with frame dropping?
05:29:32jhMikeSIt should be told if there's a flood situation and skip decoding certain frames in the first place. It shouldn't be the sole responsiblity of the renderer to do it.
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08:41:41bennyhinni wanted to try this rock box business but i must admit, i have a gigabeat F20
08:43:16aliaskbennyhinn: A good place to start for information is the manual - it contains all the information you'll need about installing and so forth.
08:46:00bennyhinnis it somethin that will take me 4 hours
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08:50:55aliaskbennyhinn: Is what going to take 4 hours? Installing?
08:51:04bennyhinnno i mean
08:51:09GodEater_bennyhinn: installing took me about 10 minutes
08:51:13bennyhinnfiguring it out lol, getting rid of my previous firmware, putting rock on
08:51:26GodEater_I think it's fairly intuitive
08:51:38GodEater_first time I ever used it I was playing music inside of 10 minutes too
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08:52:41GodEater_why ever would I lie ?!?
08:52:58bennyhinnits hard gettin 100% genuine information from irc chat!
08:53:00GodEater_linuxstb: when you wake up, PM me on the PS3 isntall :)
08:53:15GodEater_the mods here tend to take a dim view of us bullshitting the crowd.
08:54:31bennyhinnwell, that was very blunt
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08:56:09J-_in the future, will rockbox support creative zen vision:m?
08:56:35GodEater_J-_: if someone decides to port to it then yes
08:56:46GodEater_otherwise signs point to no
08:57:25J-_should of bought an iRiver =(
08:57:36GodEater_or a gigabeat
08:58:31bennyhinnwow this manual is HUGE
08:58:42J-_never heard of gigabeat
08:59:07GodEater_J-_: made by toshiba. In my opinion it offers the best Rockbox experience at the moment
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08:59:20GodEater_unless you require recording, in which case an iRiver H1x0 is better
08:59:35pondlifeHuh, no recording on Gigabeat?
08:59:39pondlifeWhat about FM?
08:59:52GodEater_pondlife: see comment above regarding recording ;)
09:00:04GodEater_also I concede it has no radio either - but I never listen to that
09:00:17GodEater_and often forget such a medium exists
09:00:19*pondlife uses both recording and radio
09:00:24GodEater_I never use it on my H140
09:00:30GodEater_or recording either for that matter
09:00:34pondlifeDarn it, I thought I had my new DAP lined up too.
09:01:22bennyhinni hav to admit, the gigabeats firmware, even the update, sucks
09:02:11J-_GodEater_: cool
09:02:15J-_looks nice
09:02:48GodEater_J-_: in case you become tempted to buy one - only get an F or X series - we don't run on anything else currently
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09:04:07GodEater_bennyhinn: as I said, the first time I tried rockbox I was playing music inside of 10 minutes. Learning ALL of rockbox's features however will take you a while - there's a lot to it
09:04:17GodEater_bennyhinn: heck - I still don't claim to know them all
09:04:25GodEater_and I've been using it for 2 years or so
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09:06:06bennyhinnthat difficult yeh
09:06:29GodEater_not difficult no
09:06:38GodEater_there's just a lot of functionality I don't need
09:06:43GodEater_so I've never bothered learning it
09:06:52GodEater_see my comments above regarding recording and the FM radio
09:07:02GodEater_I don't use either feature, so there's no point me looking them up is there ?
09:07:21GodEater_however, to other people, they're absolute must haves
09:07:51GodEater_from pondlife's cursing I guess they're invaluable to him
09:08:25J-_ haha games on the rockbox!?
09:08:37GodEater_J-_: yes - we have lots of games
09:11:07J-_i may have to get a cheap iRiver one of these days and it out
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09:13:02bennyhinnthis gigabeat doesnt have an FM radio
09:14:36bennyhinnim hoping though, this this rock box, that ill be able to play more than just mp3, wav and wma, lol
09:15:02J-_probably depends on the player you get
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09:15:58bennyhinngigabeat F series
09:16:20bennyhinnim also hopin the user interface will be user friendly, cuz my friend is a newwbbb
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09:19:14aliaskbennyhinn: Rockbox supports many audio formats, but not wma
09:19:37bennyhinnthats cool
09:19:38*aliask remembers about SoC
09:19:46bennyhinnas long as it can support more than 3 im happy
09:19:58aliaskMuch more than three :)
09:20:04bennyhinnalac ?
09:20:58aliaskpetur: Beat me to it :P
09:21:48bennyhinnthe websites difficult to read, it hurts my eyes
09:22:07aliaskbennyhinn: Right at the bottom of the page you'll see what's working
09:22:27aliaskWhat's wrong with the site anyway?
09:23:22bennyhinnaac - thats the main one
09:23:35bennyhinnits designed so that 'coders' can read it, and not 'newbs' like myself
09:23:50bennyhinnit dont do mp3?
09:24:30aliaskMpeg audio is listed...
09:25:21bennyhinndoes that mean mp3
09:25:32aliaskMP3 is one of the mpeg audio codecs
09:26:06HochlerMpeg Layer 3 i think
09:26:12bennyhinnill need this rockbox business though, especially since it has aac
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09:28:46bennyhinnwma is listed there though
09:29:14aliaskNot at the bottom of the page like I said.
09:29:35aliaskThe page is also used for throwing around ideas about where we might be able to use code from to support extra codecs
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09:37:50lachlan-mcOff topic question: What exactly is L2 Cache, and how much effect does it have on performance?
09:39:01peturplease use google for this type of questions
09:39:36bennyhinngod dam wher can i look at some rock box screen shots
09:39:49peturthe manual and the wps gallery
09:40:59linuxstbOr install it on your device, or try a UI simulator from">
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09:44:21linuxstbGodEater_: Being slightly on-topic, my ps3 linux install went fine. I've just tried building Rockbox, and it took about 3m 30s for a full swcodec build.
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09:46:40bennyhinnokay so rockbox turns a colourful ipod nano into a black and white morbid lookin thing
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09:47:14linuxstbbennyhinn: No.
09:47:30lachlan-mcbennyhinn: before making sweeping accusations, read the manual
09:47:42linuxstbBut it can do if that's the theme you're using...
09:48:55bennyhinner what am i supposed to click on then in the simulator to start the simulation
09:49:15*petur has a B&W setting (white text on black background) that's quite nice and usefull when it's dark
09:49:29*linuxstb too - iCatcher
09:49:45linuxstbWell, reversed....
09:49:47peturbennyhinn: has keymaps
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09:52:08B4gderbennyhinn: when the simulator has started it already simulates ;-)
09:55:27bennyhinni tried Uisimulator
09:56:09bennyhinni ment in the simulator folder..
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09:58:12linuxstbbennyhinn: What happens when you run rockboxui.exe?
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10:18:16cropHello. Where is the recording options menu? Is it available only from the recording screen now?
10:19:01peturyes, press the menu button while in the recording screen
10:19:42crop petur: is it just a temporary state (menu still not converted/incorporated) or is it final?
10:20:01peturmaybe it's still somewhere in the settings tree but I don't ever use it that way
10:20:33peturthis is the state after the root menu got introduced and it will probably stay a while like this
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10:22:15crophmm... it doesn't seem very intuitive to me. Then we should have e.g. the playback menu only available from the WPS. Etc. I'm not against it being accessible from the recording screen also. But I think it should also be present in the settings
10:22:56cropLike sound menu
10:23:22peturcrop: I think there's been some discussion about it when the main (root) menu got introduced... can't remember
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10:25:16crop petur: I think it wouldn't be very hard to correct this but I don't want to make a patch if that's not in the line with the RB "ideology"
10:26:12bluebrothercrop: it's in the settings menu
10:26:12pondlifeI'd like all settings to be available under the Settings menu (in addition to the context menu settings)
10:26:33bluebrotherjust look −− but IIRC that hasn't been corrected in the manual yet
10:26:35pondlifeNo idea how easy it would be to reuse the same code
10:28:20cropbluebrother: where? I couldn't find it on H120
10:28:35docgnomeI have an Archos Jukebox Studio 20. When I mount it on my linux box it mounts as a standard usb device. However when I plug it into my mac, I can't seem to get it to recognise at all. IE nothing shows up in dmesg when I plug it in. Anyone know anything about using this device with a mac? I just installed rockbox on it. Very nice by the way. Makes it about a thousand time easier to navigate than the archos firmware
10:29:21bluebrotherMenu / Settings / Recording Settings
10:29:35B4gderdocgnome: it isn't a standard usb storage device
10:29:56B4gderyou need a driver for it
10:30:10bluebrothercrop: I find this quite straightforware ... if it's not present not your build is too old
10:30:21docgnomeB4gder: Ah. Strange as it mounts just fine under linux.
10:30:30docgnomeB4gder: any idea where to find a driver?
10:30:41B4gderlinux comes with the driver built-in
10:30:55B4gderthanks to Zagor :-)
10:32:05cropbluebrother: my build is two days old.
10:32:37bluebrotherit's definitely there since a while
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10:35:29cropbluebrother: ok, I'll check. Must have missed it
10:36:21docgnomeB4gder: is there a driver for it for OS X?
10:38:14B4gderI have no idea
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10:43:19cropbluebrother: he. I looked for it in the Recording entry in the main menu. That's why :-)
10:44:55peturthe recording entry takes you straight to the recording screen which is much better imho
10:45:47crop petur: yes. But I used to find a submenu there. Now it's better, I agree
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10:48:11amiconndocgnome: Quick googling for: isd200 driver "os x" yielded this:
10:48:49docgnomeamiconn: I found that. Thanks.
10:51:32*bluebrother just discovered colorsvn
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10:57:12bennyhinnis media monkey compatible with rockbox
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10:57:41markunbennyhinn: yes
10:57:58scorcheanything that doesnt use DRM or change the files in some way will work
10:58:33pondlifeamiconn: You mentioned a while back I could send a SEEN message to logbot to find when someone was last around...
10:58:47pondlifeI don't seem to be able to get any response.
10:58:53pondlifeIs it just SEEN <nick>
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10:59:43scorche!seen pondlife
10:59:51scorchehrm...guess not
10:59:57amiconnpondlife: /msg logbot seen <nicjname>
11:00:11***Server message 505: 'logbot :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( )'
11:00:15amiconnIt may be that you need to allow messages from unregistered users in order to see the answer
11:00:27scorchei was just about to say soemthign about him not being identified
11:00:28pondlifeAha, that's probably the issue
11:00:30*amiconn usually has that enabled
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11:04:19pondlifeNope, still not working. Ne'er mind.
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11:06:05amiconnpondlife: You're not identified yourself, meaning logbot won't get your messages
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11:07:45pondlifeHmm, I thought I was
11:10:38bennyhinnah cool
11:12:10bennyhinndo guys here tend to go for winamp or is media player adequate
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11:12:32cropAny comments on I also was able to get the bug. It's not very annoying but it's still a little bug.
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11:13:33cropErr... sorry, I mean What I've written is the fix (it's in the "related tasks")
11:13:36pondlifeamiconn: Am I now identified ok?
11:13:55*pondlife is a total IRC luser
11:14:02peturpondlife: yes
11:14:15lachlan-mcbennyhinn: On Windows I use Mediamonkey, on Ubuntu I prefer Amarok
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11:14:41bluebrothercrop: it's reproduceable
11:16:12croperr... I still mean 6799 :-) 6807 is the fix :-) All screwed up in my head!
11:16:17scorchepondlife: you cna see if you are buy doing a /whois pondlife
11:16:34pondlifeDo I need to re-indentify each session?
11:16:40pondlifeidentify, even
11:16:44bluebrothercrop: yes, but that doesn't change much ;-)
11:16:47scorcheunless your client is set up to do that for you
11:16:56pondlifeI thought it was!!
11:17:34bluebrotherbut I'm wondering if that wouldn't be fixed better in the credits plugin
11:17:38bennyhinnso monkey media compatible with rocker box
11:17:53scorche[01:57:36] <markun> bennyhinn: yes
11:17:53scorche[01:57:53] <scorche> anything that doesnt use DRM or change the files in some way will work
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11:18:11bluebrotherbennyhinn: as someone is using it it should work, shouldn't it?
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11:20:24cropbluebrother: I know nothing about what the fix does. I just saw the bug report and could reproduce it. And then I saw that there's a fix for it.
11:20:29pondlifeNope... anyone know which option in Miranda might enable automatic identify?
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11:21:25lachlan-mcbennyhinn: No players are 'compatible' with rockbox. Rockbox is drag'n'drop
11:21:31GodEater_pondlife: you'd have to set it up to automatically send the message to nickserv
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11:22:08GodEater_pondlife: most irc client provide somewhere for you to specify an "on connect" command
11:22:15scorchepondlife: a quick google search will tell you that
11:22:39pondlifeThought I'd fill up #Rockbox with some more OTness
11:22:58bennyhinn<bennyhinn> is media monkey compatible with rockbox <markun> bennyhinn: yes
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11:23:19scorchebennyhinn: what is your point
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11:24:40scorcheB4gder: you will likely have shirts for those unable to attend devcon again, correct? ;)
11:24:55B4gderI hope so
11:25:30bennyhinnah son of a gun media monkey does not support aac
11:25:36scorchealso, is there a reason logbot isnt identified? (i think i remember it doing that in the past, but i could be mistaken)
11:26:04***Server message 505: 'logbot :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( )'
11:26:13B4gderI don't think there's been much work on making it do so
11:26:31scorcheis it registered?
11:26:57pondlifeIt's not talking to me still..
11:27:35scorchepondlife: did you change it so that you can read PMs from non-identified people?
11:27:47pondlifeI think so.
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11:40:55markunbennyhinn: why don't you use itunes with ita?
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11:42:08asterixI need information
11:42:18lachlan-mcAsk away
11:42:35asterixMy friend have a problem for see so he need vocal for is archos 404
11:42:41asterix(sorry for my english)
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11:42:56asterixI don t know wich rockbox to use for archos 404
11:43:07scorcheasterix: none...rockbox does not work with that device
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11:44:22asterixand have another system vocal for this device ?
11:44:34scorcheno clue
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11:44:54scorchewe deal with rockbox here...and rockbox alone ;)
11:45:16bluebrotherwasn't there this open archos / free archos / similar project?
11:45:39scorchebluebrother: yes, but i do not knwo it that has voice....i am not even sure if it can play music
11:45:55bluebrotherno idea what they do (and what devices they support) though
11:46:07scorchearchopen is the name
11:46:54scorchei have only looked at the source for the archos av300 series, so i do not knwo much else about it
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11:47:25asterixscorche : ok thanks and sorry i ll speak only rockbox now :p
11:47:47scorcheasterix: well, we do allow english here too ;)
11:48:45cropAre FM stations voiced? I.e. if I switch FM (in preset mode)? I've never used voice but would activate it for this. It would be quite handy when the dap is on my belt
11:48:58bluebrothercrop: no
11:49:22bluebrotheras there are no voice clips for the stations (how?) and we don't have a tts (yet)
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11:50:04cropbluebrother: has it been discussed and rejected? And what is tts? You could provide voice clips for your stations (like you probably have to for folders)
11:50:16markunasterix: people are trying to port rockbox to the creative zen vision:m, it has the same CPU as the never archos models, so maybe rockbox will be ported to those as well then.
11:50:59asterixmarkun : ok good news, so maybe we will have rockbox soon for model 404 ?
11:51:06markuncrop: tts = text-to-speech
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11:51:17markunasterix: not soon
11:51:34markunwell, maybe, it's hard to predict
11:52:20cropmarkun: ah... But I'd think it's rather cpu intensive, no?
11:53:14asterixmarkun : ok thank you for info
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11:54:21markuncrop: a bit (depends on the method)
11:54:29markunbut I have a Gigabeat :)
11:54:32asterixbye bye everybody and thanks
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11:55:35amiconnpondlife: Yes you are identified now
11:56:17cropmarkun: how are directory names spelled? With voice clips? If yes then this could also be expanded to FM stations.
11:56:26amiconnbluebrother: FM stations could be voiced by number or spelled, like files
11:56:58amiconnOn hwcodec it's not possible because the mas is in recording mode for prerecording
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11:57:09cropamiconn: or by frequency
11:57:28crop (for scan mode)
11:57:41amiconnIt could be done if we don't put the mas into recording mode if prerecording is disabled
11:58:11amiconnIn fact I am pondering to do this, as it would save power as well
11:59:09cropamiconn: a bit OT: where do you get all the information that's needed for programming codecs, mpeg playback etc?
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12:04:16markuncrop: almost all of our codecs are just copied from other open source projects
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12:05:46cropI mean the last changes in the video player. All the code for a/v syncronisation, frame drops etc. One must have studied this quite a bit to do such kind of stuff.
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12:06:56markuncrop: well, ask linuxstb how he does it :)
12:07:16GodEater_magic usually ;)
12:07:51cropmarkun: ah, that's linuxstb? Sorry, mixed it up
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12:57:53liberty_In my iaudio M5, the cpu usage of ogg decoding seems a little high according to debug info.
12:58:39liberty_The mp3 and musepack always stick to 45MHZ while ogg sometimes jumps to 123 MHZ.
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12:58:58B4gderfeel free to optimize! ;-)
12:59:16nlsthat is normal, vorbis uses more cpu than mp3 and musepack
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13:02:31B4gderliberty_: and the boost percentage on that screen shows how much time is spent > 45MHz
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13:05:21liberty__Is it possible to make rockbox remeber the folder in which the music is playing,when entering "file"?
13:05:40nlsenable the "follow playlist" option
13:06:39liberty__I will try.
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13:16:14Mooswow the TGV (french trai,) beat the new record of speed 575 km/h or 360 miles !
13:16:54liberty_When will rockbox rocks that speed!
13:17:12Mooshehe :)
13:17:38B4gderwhen someone on that train has a rockbox in his hand and run forwards
13:17:47Mooshaha :D
13:18:24MoosRockbox, the new train firmware ;)
13:18:50liberty_You will feel playing doom in it!
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13:47:00spahijahi all, finally got my used ipod 3 gen from ebay and wondering if I can install rockbox on it ?
13:48:01chaosyou can
13:48:30chaoshow do i make the jpeg viewer working?
13:48:38spahijachaos, ogg is possible with rockbox ?
13:48:46markunspahija: yes
13:48:58markunalthough not for the old archos players
13:49:15markunchaos: what's not working?
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13:49:23bennyhinnhey theres no such thing as free broadband
13:49:34spahijawhat are main differences between ipodlinux and rockbox ?
13:49:39markunbennyhinn: wrong channel..
13:49:42pixelmaafaik on the 3rd gen Ipod it's not really good (decodes not fast enough)
13:49:48amiconnhah, finally :D
13:50:06*amiconn found the lcd controller specs of the oldplayer lcd
13:50:15amiconnAt least one that's command compatible
13:50:28spahijapixelma, cpu is slow or decoder is not that good ?
13:50:57chaosi can't view pics on my rockbox
13:51:21spahijamarkun, nice answer :D
13:51:52spahijaone more thing before I go away and stop nagging about ipod....
13:52:08pixelmaspahija: a bit of both maybe - dan_a is the only dev who has a 3g Ipod - maybe he can tell you more what codecs work well there
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13:52:30spahijawhere can I find tips and tricks regarding buttons/keys on ipod?
13:52:40spahijapixelma, dan_a is not here ?
13:52:49spahijaahh he is here
13:52:54chaoslol ok i'll tell u since i got an ipod 5g
13:53:37chaoscenter+menu (hold restart ),
13:53:58chaoshow come i can't view pics on my ipod from rockbox
13:54:12spahijachaos, I was thinking more like link to the page that explains it
13:54:12pixelmaspahija: you can also have a look into our fine manual ;)
13:54:25spahijapixelma, oh ? url please
13:54:57spahija(kinda lasy to find it my self but GRATEFUL for any url )
13:55:26spahijapixelma, nice ..thanks
13:57:18chaosi guess its back to the manual
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13:58:00pixelmachaos: what did you try to view your jpegs so far?
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13:58:21jbahey gang, it's been a whi;e
13:58:31jbawhat did i miss?
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13:59:01chaosi can't view
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14:00:47chaoswhen i look on plugins i cannot find jpeg viewer ... when i put a pic on my ipod root i can see the file but its not selectable
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14:02:29chaosany idea y?
14:02:31pixelmachaos: what do you mean with "it's not selectable" - do you get an error message?
14:03:32chaosno i can see the file on rockbox ...but no mater how many times i press nothing changes i still see the file
14:04:46chaos ... i don't have jpeg viewer on my plugin on rockbox
14:05:44pixelmait's a viewer - you won't see it in "browse plugins"
14:06:18chaosoh ... so how can i view pics
14:06:29pixelmausually it should be enough to just select the jpeg as if you would select a song to play
14:07:39chaosi exactly tried to play the songs (working) but whe viewing a pic (does not work) .. or maybe the pic is too big?
14:08:49pixelmayes that could be, epecially when music is also playing. So maybe you could try a smaller picture first?
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14:11:56chaosand i can't paly videos on my ipod video from rockbox ... if u said i didn't covert then u r wrong i did but after converted (using VLC) the fle is only with sounds (the video is gone )
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14:15:01chaosanyone knows whats wrong?
14:16:33aliaskyou converted them wrong
14:16:50chaosusing VLC but the manual said so ..
14:16:54aliaskHave you tried using a video from the rockbox site?
14:17:04chaosyea ... not working
14:17:16aliaskElephant's dream isn't working either?
14:18:17aliaskTry this file:
14:18:59chaosi got the 320 1 for my rockbox
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14:19:10chaosisn't this the same
14:19:47aliaskShould be about 80mb I think
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14:20:25chaosmine is 139 megabytes
14:20:55chaos2 files ... 80mb and 1 is 70 mb
14:20:57aliaskWell it must be different. This one is definitely not that big.
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14:21:15aliaskTwo files?
14:21:19chaoshmm i got 1 80 mb file (elephants dream)
14:21:27aliaskAnd does it play?
14:21:39chaosyea ... the manual lefts u download 2 files of elephant dream
14:21:56chaosnope i cannot directly run the video through rojbox
14:22:24aliaskCan you please check what you're typing - I'm having a hard time understanding you
14:23:21aliaskBut if that version of elephant's dream isn't working, then I think you should do a full update of rockbox, including the plugin files.
14:23:28pixelmawhat build are you using (when and where did you get it from)?
14:23:52chaosumm i don't get u guys ... what ... how do i update the rockbox
14:24:36nlsdownlaod a new zip and unzip it to your ipod
14:25:28aliaskThat's the latest build for iPod 5g
14:25:33chaosif they ask to replace anything then? replace them? and after update will all my stuff like doom and my wall papers disappears?
14:25:51aliaskReplace everything. Doom and your wallpapers will not be overwritten
14:26:05chaosahh ... thank god
14:26:27chaosoh yea 1 more thing ... in doom the 3rd stage is bugged if u didn't know
14:26:35chaosdoom2 that is
14:26:55aliaskWhat's wrong with it?
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14:29:00chaoson third stage (the latest doom 2) you will get a blue key and enter a door ... then after that u will activate switches ....that whole area u will be stuck
14:31:24aliaskHrm, sounds more like a problem with the doom2.wad file... does it freeze or you can't go any further?
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14:32:43chaosu will be stuck (u can move everywhere ... and the yellow key is is ungettable =P
14:34:00aliaskHrm, odd. Don't really know much about doom2... I finished doom1 on rockbox though - so that works...
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14:40:09chaoi extracted all the fles from the new ... nothing to replace ... so did i do it right
14:40:42B4gdernothing to replace?
14:40:50B4gderit should replace a whole bunch of files
14:41:05chaou mean there are files that must be replaced?
14:41:31B4gderit should replace a whole bunch of files
14:41:34chaoWHAT??????????? ... if mines the newest rockbox then maybe nothing to replace right?
14:41:47B4gderit should replace a whole bunch of files
14:41:49chaoi got rockbox about a month ago
14:42:05nlshow would the zip app know if you have the latest rockbox?
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14:44:01chaoswhere can i get the latest build for my ipod video 5g
14:45:13aliaskAre you sure you extracted it in the right place?
14:45:26chaosi extract those files in my rockbo folder right?
14:45:39aliaskNo, it should have gone into the root of the ipod
14:46:05chaossomeone gave me a link earlier
14:46:54chaosok so .. i already extracted to my rockbox folder ... any side effects?
14:47:17B4gderyes, now you have a .rockbox folder inside your .rockbox folder
14:47:37chaosNOOOOO ...
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14:48:30laluhello guys
14:48:48chaosi download the latest builds from o i extract them right?
14:48:53laluI've made a terrible mistke: trying to install rockbox on a 80 G Ipod ...
14:49:12laluIt does not boot anymore
14:49:31lalueven dmesh under linux does not show any trace of it
14:49:32GodEater_it's clearly one of those days...
14:49:53GodEater_lalu: reset it, and then put it in disk mode
14:50:12GodEater_lalu: there's a thread on the rockbox forums under apple installs with instructions on how to do both
14:50:22GodEater_lalu: then use ipodpatcher to uninstall the rockbox bootloader
14:50:43lalui was looking for such a thread
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14:50:47bennyhinncan u use winamp pro to transfer songs from pc - rockbox enabled device
14:50:58GodEater_it's called "The my iPod Install went wrong" thread
14:51:13chaosi wana ask a question ... mplayer cannot be seen on the plugin area right?
14:51:55GodEater_chaos: assuming you mean mpegplayerplugin, then yes
14:52:17chaosyes =P
14:52:41Mooschoas: it works like a viewer like for jpgviewer
14:53:01Moosjust select the mpg file
14:53:16chaosok thx i will try i gtg ttyl =)
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14:54:05bennyhinnthe following is a question: can u use winamp pro to transfer songs from pc - rockbox enabled device
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14:55:01nlsbennyhinn: you should be able too but regular drag and drop should work too
14:55:26nlsregular disclaimers apply since I haven't used winamp in years
14:55:32bennyhinnah yeh but it'd be easier to manage
14:55:46*GodEater_ fails to see how
14:56:17NuclearDogGodEater_: If you're one of the many people without a very well organized music collection, being able to drag & drop while seeing the tags probably helps.
14:56:32B4gdera winamp pro, is that a person very gifted at using winamp? ;-)
14:56:47GodEater_B4gder: not it's someone who gets paid to use it
14:56:59GodEater_NuclearDog: if you say so
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14:57:37NuclearDogWell, if you've got a folder full of improperly named files all with incosistent names and a good 4 or 5 thousand in one directory... I think some sort of app would be easier.
14:57:49NuclearDogBut I couldn't tell you, as all my music's nicely sorted so I just drag & drop.
14:57:53FebsNuclearDog: sounds like a good way to end up with a not-well-organized music collection on your device.
14:58:01GodEater_I struggle to work out how I'd arrive at owning such a directory
14:58:06MoosFebs: indeed :)
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14:58:17GodEater_but if you tell me many people have such a structure, then I must believe you I suppose
14:58:50NuclearDogWell, anyone who just fires up <insert p2p app here> and downloads song after song, never conforming the filenames at all, will.
14:58:54nlsThere are apps that can rename files after the tags in them too...
14:59:06GodEater_NuclearDog: we're not interested in supporting piracy here however
14:59:31GodEater_so if that's how someone has arrived at their music collection, then that's their tough luck in my opinion
14:59:38NuclearDogNot intending to, you just seemed to be wondering how one might obtain a music collection that disorganized, there's your answer.
15:00:11GodEater_NuclearDog: understood - but I still think we shouldn't be helping such people out afterwards
15:00:21NuclearDogOh, agreed.
15:00:25nlstheoretically they could have downloaded thousands of demos, creative commons stuff/public domain stuff tho
15:00:42GodEater_nls: I think I'll just shut up now then ;)
15:00:43NuclearDogTheoretically... I doubt you could find thousands of horribly mislabelled creative common songs out there.
15:01:40NuclearDogBut I'm out. Adios.
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15:06:58jmspeexIs Dan Everton here?
15:07:46B4gderhe's known as safetydan usually
15:08:02laluGodEater_: Thx I made it :) pfiuuuu
15:08:08laluyou rock man
15:08:26laluIs there a way (svn or cvs) to get rockbox on a 80 G ?
15:08:51lalufuck :/
15:09:04nlsthe regular builds are straight from svn sources
15:10:04jmspeexB4gder: thanks
15:14:20GodEater_lalu: the dev in question knows *what* to do to make the 80GB work, it's just he doesn't have time to do it at the moment
15:14:21laluOk I'll wait till the next release
15:14:40GodEater_be a long wait....
15:14:42B4gderthat is gonna take a while ;-)
15:14:46laluyou think ?
15:14:53GodEater_well the last one was over a year ago
15:14:56FebsIt will *probably* be before hell freezes over.
15:15:00FebsBut there's no guarantee.
15:15:06laluisn't it just a few offsets to add to the code ?
15:15:24GodEater_lalu: hahahahahahahaha
15:15:33laluok I see
15:15:53GodEater_lalu: don't feel too bad - I'm a fellow 80GB owner
15:15:53Mooslalu: they meant that you will could rockbox on your DAP long time before rockbox made an official release for it
15:16:26laluGodEater_: welcome to the club :p
15:16:49GodEater_lalu: very broadly, what needs to happen is : 1) Fix the ATA driver to allow for use of 1024byte sectors (fairly trivial)
15:17:01FebsPerhaps a release will be the subject of discussion at DevCon 2007. Though so far it seems that the only formal agenda item is "have a beer."
15:17:06FebsNot that there's anything wrong with that.
15:17:11GodEater_2) fix the FAT code to allow the use of 1024 byte sectors handed to it from the ATA driver (not trivial)
15:17:16B4gderit was a subject at the last devcon ;-)
15:17:31GodEater_3) Make sure that both those changes don't break exisiting rockbox targets (not trivial at all)
15:17:39FebsB4gder: true, true.
15:17:51FebsYou know, given the agenda, I'm surprised preglow hasn't signed up yet.
15:17:54B4gderbut yes, we could indeed discuss on how to make a release possible
15:17:59GodEater_I don't see anything wrong with having formal beer drinking as part of the agenda :)
15:18:24MoosB4gder: with a 1 year feature freeze ;P
15:18:24B4gderI had to carry a bunch of beers home after devcon2006 so we need to improve in that area
15:18:25nlsheh 3.0 is just one month shy of being a year late now :-)
15:19:29laluGodEater_: Thx for the explanation, I did not know the Hd driver changed from 60 G to 80
15:19:45GodEater_lalu: neither did we for ages, it took along time to figure it out
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15:20:06GodEater_LinusN figured it out in late January
15:20:15lalustop talking about beer :p, I'll stay at work for 2 h 30
15:20:34GodEater_lalu: same here - 'nother few hours to go before beer drinkin' time ;)
15:23:54laluhang it on !
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15:24:12laluand with the spring coming on , it's harder than never
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15:28:12GodEater_lalu: where are you from ?
15:29:19*Moos make a bet for France
15:29:59GodEater_having remembered the /whois command, I'm willing to agree ;)
15:30:08laluThree points for Moos
15:30:17laluyep I'm from Paris
15:30:31*Moos is from Paris too ;)
15:30:34laluThis should mean my english if far from perfect
15:30:47GodEater_far better than my grasp of francais ;)
15:31:18laluMoos: Paris rocks
15:31:32Moosyep !
15:31:34laluANd you where are you now ?
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15:31:52lalu(I'm planing a world tour next year...)
15:32:07MoosBirth and living in Paris
15:32:13Mooslucky you
15:32:18laluMoos: I see, and noos adept
15:32:31Mooshehe :)
15:33:07Moosnot a fan but for me they do the job (but my nick is from mustapha)
15:33:15childhey i got a version problem
15:33:47childit says incompatable version when i try viewing videos or pic on rockbox
15:34:01FebsUpdate your build and be sure to overwrite existing files.
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15:34:17childand whn i try listeniong to music codec failure
15:34:25FebsUpdate your build and be sure to overwrite existing files.
15:34:27childi did
15:34:30Mooslike Febs said
15:34:44childi replaced everything
15:34:53childand still the problems occur
15:34:54Mooschild: no 2 files?
15:35:03B4gderand make sure you do "savely remove hardware"
15:35:18childumm ... ok that i didn't do
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15:35:42B4gderjust yanking it can very well make funny filesystem results
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15:37:43childwhcih do i get current builds or realeases
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15:38:05nlscurrent build
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15:38:24nlschild: all this is covered in the manual
15:39:30childok thx
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16:32:52pondlifeAnyone know if LinusN is on holiday?
16:33:05B4gderhe is
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16:38:32TenkawaSo.. any progress on getting rockbox functional on the Vision:M
16:39:22B4gderthere's talk in the forum thread about it
16:39:32B4gderbut it is still very early
16:39:36Tenkawayeah.. saw that
16:39:57markunI don't think there has been a real break through yet
16:39:59Tenkawavision:m's one flaw (at least for me) is its lack of aac support
16:40:18Tenkawai wouldnt even be looking for replacement firmware if it werent for that
16:40:24Tenkawaogg would be nice too mind you
16:40:31Tenkawaor even flac
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16:55:42tchanI don't know if it was mentioned in here or not but iPod rockbox users might find this interesting:
16:59:39laluI wonder why a flashcard would be usefull on my 80 G ;-)
17:00:10GodEater_lalu: it might support 512byte sector transfers :)
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17:35:58webguest81hi, i was wondering if anyone knows where to get the half life plugin
17:36:06Ph1r3ph0xi have some problems with my rockbox =( (Ipod 5G)
17:36:13webguest81 can help
17:36:20dionoeawebguest81: there is no halflife plugin
17:36:21webguest81i can help*
17:36:30dionoeaand the doom plugin is documented on the wiki i believe
17:36:38webguest81there is at a japonese website
17:36:56webguest81ph1r3 what is ur problem?
17:37:04dionoeamaybe it's a halflife lookalike doom wad
17:37:14Ph1r3ph0xmy rockbox doesent play music anymore
17:37:30webguest81wait 1 sec
17:37:32Ph1r3ph0xcodec failure
17:37:49Ph1r3ph0xsry for my english, im german
17:37:56webguest81it's ok
17:38:06GodEater_Ph1r3ph0x: when did you last update it ?
17:38:24Ph1r3ph0xi had an old version and everything worked well
17:38:34webguest81did u dl the loader 1 or 2?
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17:38:42GodEater_Ph1r3ph0x: which DAP do you own ?
17:38:50markunGodEater_: 17:36 < Ph1r3ph0x> i have some problems with my rockbox =( (Ipod 5G)
17:39:00GodEater_I *just* spotted that as well :)
17:39:10GodEater_Ph1r3ph0x: have you updated the bootloader recently as well ?
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17:39:21webguest81are u on mac or pc or linux?
17:39:25Ph1r3ph0xi have installed ipod linux, too so i didnt installed the rockbox loader
17:39:30markundid the ipod bootloader ever not look in .rockbox for rockbox.ipod?
17:39:38GodEater_Ph1r3ph0x: I would imagine that's the problem then
17:40:00markunPh1r3ph0x: you can check it by copying rockbox.ipod from .rockbox to the root of the player
17:40:06webguest81do u have the window up that says ... ipo (G:)?
17:40:30GodEater_Ph1r3ph0x: loader2 is known to have issues with recent builds of rockbox
17:40:32Ph1r3ph0xwebguest81: do u have the window up that says ... ipo (G:)?
17:40:38GodEater_Ph1r3ph0x: it doesn't initialise the COP properly
17:40:52Ph1r3ph0xwhere do i get the loader2 `?
17:40:53webguest81go into folder in ur ipod .rockbox
17:41:14webguest81then codecs
17:41:26markunwebguest81: what are you trying to do?
17:41:34webguest81u should c a file called sid.codec
17:41:36GodEater_Ph1r3ph0x: loader2 is the iPL bootloader
17:41:53markunPh1r3ph0x: ignore webguest81..
17:41:56webguest81he has error in codecs
17:42:51webguest81did you buy ur music from itunes store?
17:43:01markunwebguest81: you're not helping at all
17:43:28GodEater_not a good idea to say that to a dev...
17:43:35webguest81are your files aac?
17:43:40markunhey, what do I know..
17:43:52*GodEater_ looks round for an op
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17:44:21pondlifeGodEater_: Well looked there
17:44:25markunPh1r3ph0x: I hope you don't get too confused :)
17:44:36Ph1r3ph0xists ok
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17:45:04GodEater_does anyone recall if you have to build your own version of loader2 for current rockbox builds ?
17:45:09bluebrotheroh, webguest81 is back
17:45:11GodEater_I think linuxstb submitted patches to them
17:45:14bluebrothernow with a new number ;-)
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17:45:24webguest24who is the guy with problems playing music? Try rebuilding the file database with EasyH10
17:45:47bluebrotherthat database isn't used by Rockbox
17:45:48markunnormally codec failures happen when the codecs are out of sync with the rockbox kernel, no?
17:45:49GodEater_still spouting complete gibberish too
17:45:56GodEater_markun: yes
17:46:19markunSo I guess his bootloader is loading the kernel from the root, and not from .rockbox/
17:46:23bluebrotherif "codec failure" comes up after an update you most probably haven't extracted the complete contents of the zip file
17:46:29GodEater_markun: I think you're right
17:46:39markunPh1r3ph0x: did you try to copy rockbox.ipod from .rockbox to the root of the player?
17:46:49GodEater_bluebrother: we think it's cos he's using ipl's loader, and it's still loading an old rockbox.ipod from the root
17:46:53bluebrotherand as the firmware file itself has moved recently make sure you don't have a file rockbox.ipod in the root of the player (that file is now in the .rockbox folder)
17:47:26bluebrotherbut when loading the new rockbox.ipod it would fail because of the missing COP initialization ...
17:47:37GodEater_very possibly
17:47:53bluebrotheror has the path changed with the COP support in Loader2?
17:48:04GodEater_don't believe so
17:48:13GodEater_linuxstb didn't mention making that change
17:48:16GodEater_in his patch
17:49:05Ph1r3ph0xmarkun: So I guess his bootloader is loading the kernel from the root, and not from .rockbox
17:49:11Ph1r3ph0xi've copied it
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17:49:16Ph1r3ph0xto the root folder
17:49:24markunPh1r3ph0x: and still you get the same problem?
17:49:50bluebrotherthen you haven't extracted the complete build.
17:49:55AceNikhey guys i patched a lcd.h file as it showed hunks failed in the dict_all patch , not i have added the code of the rej file to the lch.h file , now i want to compile new patch having these changes, what do i type, there are changes in multiple directories, in certain files
17:50:15bluebrotherAceNik: just build it ...
17:50:25bluebrotherif you changed files there isn't anything special.
17:50:32bluebrotheryou just create a build.
17:50:40GodEater_AceNik: change to the root of your rockbox directory, and then type "svn diff > the_name_of_your_patch.diff
17:50:52Ph1r3ph0xbluebrother: then you haven't extracted the complete build.
17:50:52Ph1r3ph0x>> i've tried a lot already^^ I've deleted the whole .rockbox folder and extracted the archiev then...
17:51:07Ph1r3ph0xalways the same
17:51:13GodEater_Ph1r3ph0x: I'm tempted to say "try it with the rockbox bootloader" in that case
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17:51:22markunbluebrother: which bootloader should he install?
17:51:22webguest52I use loader2 with Rockbox. I've never had to set or change anything to make it work. All I had to do was extract the file i get off of the current builds page to my ipod. Then the option for rockbox appears on the loader2 main page. I'm not sure why you installed the rockbox bootloader on top of the loader 2. I would probably just restore you ipod in itunes, install IPL and loader 2, download ro
17:51:26webguest52Is this your problem because I'm having trouble understanding what's going on. I am sorry if what i said is old information.
17:52:22AceNik<GodEater_>so everytime i apply a new patch now , suppose i add another patch to this source, then i cant run svn diff to et the new patch rite ?
17:52:38Ph1r3ph0xsry webguest52 but whats IPL? :P
17:52:45markunPh1r3ph0x: ipod linux
17:53:02GodEater_AceNik: sorry I'm not sure what you're asking
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17:53:22Ph1r3ph0xok i'll try it later
17:53:26Ph1r3ph0xthx for helo
17:53:33GodEater_AceNik: when you say "suppose I add another patch" do you mean adding smoeone else's patch, or making changes to the code yourself ?
17:53:39Ph1r3ph0xi must go now
17:53:44bluebrotherloader2 2.4 doesn't work with current builds. Don't know which release added support for the COP.
17:53:56GodEater_>2.5 I think
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17:55:24AceNik<GodEater_>well now i added the dict patch , n made changes to it , then i did svn diff , n made the modified patch , then suppose i add the vlimit patch , & modify the source by adding the rej file contents to respective places , then how do a generate a new patch for vlimit
17:55:52bluebrotheryou can't easily.
17:56:15bluebrotheryou can create a complete source folder with the 1st patch applies, then create a complete tree with both
17:56:23bluebrotherand then diff between the two folders
17:56:55bluebrothersvn diff will always diff to svn, so if you have two patches applies svn diff will create a diff containing both patches
17:57:53AceNik<bluebrother>ok ill manage thanks
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18:17:41AceNik<bluebrother>tell me this i ran the svn diff , made a patch , is it possibelt that the path can be 20KB less than before?, cause the original patch that didnt work was 98KB & now its 78KB , & lines were added to the ource not deducted
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18:20:12markunAceNik: if you only add stuff than it shouldn't get smaller no
18:21:44AceNikim trying to apply thew diff from svn pathed to the fresh svn & see if the new patch compiles a build
18:23:20AceNik<markun>the earlier patch i ran showed hunk at every step , now when i run the new patch it shows just 1 hunk in total & it says succeeded
18:23:58markunAceNik: what I normally do to get an old patch working is to apply it to an old svn, update svn, fix any conflicts and do svn diff to make a new patch
18:25:23markunAceNik: btw, when you reply to my with <markun> it looks more like you are quoting me..
18:25:42markunbut maybe that's just me :)
18:25:49AceNikthen how to reply
18:25:55markunAceNik: like this?
18:26:44markunbut maybe it's normal for some irc clients, I'm just not used to it
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18:28:38perl|workmarkun, toffe82 i asked chinese people about pictures
18:28:55perl|workthey sent some with f40 boxes
18:29:15perl|workbut still they insist on selling x60
18:29:56markunperl|work: if we ask long enough maybe they find some actual X60 boxes online :)
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18:31:49markunAceNik: weird..
18:33:20AceNikmarkun :thats wat im stuck at , im sure i replaced everything from the .rj file into the lcd.h
18:34:39AceNikshould i patch the earlier file & show you wat it shows
18:36:58markunno, that's ok
18:37:06markunI don't really have time to look into it
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18:38:46pondlifeHmm, selecting a bookmark while playing locks up playback here (in the sim)...
18:39:00pondlifeIt just sits there not buffering anything!
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18:39:46*pondlife wishes he had a device to try this on, but will pop it on Flyspray for someone else to try.
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18:40:36pondlifeAh, looks like it's already logged:
18:40:43pondlifeNico_P: around?
18:40:53Nico_Ppondlife: yes
18:41:14pondlifeDo you know anything more about ?
18:41:37pondlifeI'm about to look into it, hopefull
18:43:05Nico_Ppondlife: It's been a long time since I last looked at it
18:43:13pondlifeI don't see why this affects bookmarks, but not playlists...
18:43:14Nico_PI think all I know is in the patch :s
18:43:32pondlifeNo problem, just thought I'd ask in case
18:48:19Nico_PBagder: are you around ?
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18:54:36AceNikmarkun: you there?
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18:56:27markunAceNik: yes
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19:01:11Nico_Pcan someone tell me whether it's a good idea to parse the WPS file char by char ?
19:01:24AceNikmarkun: well there is a line in the rej file that doesnt have a + or - before it & on checking in the original .h file not the .orig, original lcd.h , the line doesnt exists , wat do i do , its a extern void lcd_icon somethin, well there is a line way below having void lcd_icon
19:01:32Nico_Pi.e. reading one char at a time, which would save the use of a buffer
19:01:59markunAceNik: I'm here, but don't have time
19:02:31AceNikmarkun: ok tc
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19:05:08Learnico_p: it's not that bad, since the ata driver buffers a sector.
19:05:22LearE.g., read_line works that way.
19:06:03Nico_PLear: I think it would be the best way to get rid of the format buffer. The parser would be quite easy to adapt
19:06:21LearHowever, the bitmap reads in between might interfere...
19:06:53Nico_PLear: read_line was my inspiration for this but I still had doubts
19:06:56Nico_Pgood point
19:08:52Nico_Phmm but the original code did load the bitmaps at the same time as reading the WPS source file
19:08:58LearStill, performance is not critical in this case. And locating and reading the bitmaps is the slow part.
19:09:00Nico_Pso it's probably not a big problem
19:09:20LearDidn't it do either a load of the entire file, or a line-by-line read?
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19:10:09Nico_PLear: it copied the source file line by line to the format buffer, loading bitmaps each time a line containing one was read
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19:24:36AceNikmarkun: just one last doubt ,so if my patches a few of them work today , i should maintain that right , like keep the modified source & keep updatin that same source with the svn , so that the new changes will be allocated automatically ?
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19:25:41amiconnLear: The fat driver is where the sectors are cached, and every open file descriptor has its own buffer
19:27:16amiconnNico_P: I think it would help performance with bitmapped wps'es if the wps parser first reads the whole .wps, then loads the .bmps afterwards
19:28:12Nico_Pamiconn: that means storing the bitmap paths somewhere
19:28:26amiconnNot the whole paths, just the names
19:30:35Nico_Pright, but I still need a place to store them.
19:30:51Nico_Pis there a limit to their length ?
19:31:23amiconnWe can just define one
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19:32:38Nico_Pamiconn: would it be a good idea to use the plugin buffer to store temp data ?
19:32:48Nico_Plike the WPS string and the bmp file names
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19:33:09amiconnWell, if you can make sure that the wps parser and the playlist viewer never run at the same time...
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19:33:20docgnomedoes anyone know of a program for os x that will turn iTunes playlists into m3u?
19:33:40Nico_Pamiconn: when does the playlist viewer use the plugin buffer ? only when a playlist is displayed ?
19:33:52amiconnYes, afaik
19:34:01Nico_Pso that shouldn't be much of a problem
19:34:13docgnomeI've found several windows programs to do that... but I'm not running windows
19:34:27amiconnYou also need to take care of tsr plugins, i.e. request the plugin ram and use what you get instead of hardcoding
19:34:51Nico_Preplacing the format buffer by the plugin buffer sounds like the ideal solution
19:34:54amiconnThe playlist viewer does this (and is the reason why tsr plugins must not use plugin_get_buffer(), btw)
19:35:02Nico_Pamiconn: ok
19:35:10Nico_Pi'll look at the playlist viewer
19:35:14amiconnWell, only if you just need a temporary buffer
19:35:36amiconnIn case the wps needs this buffer all the time, a separate one is necessary afaics
19:36:07Nico_Pamiconn: no, it only needs it to parse the source file. then it's all in the wps_data struct
19:36:31Nico_Pcurrently there's a waste of memory in this struct : both the source and the result are stored
19:37:01Nico_PI want to get rid of the source text
19:37:56Nico_PTime to eat. I'll look at the playlist code after dinner :)
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19:54:34JohtajaI just insatalled Rock Box onto a sansa e270 and i have a big problem with it.
19:54:55JohtajaMy computer does not detect it.
19:55:14Johtajaso i can not transfer anything from or 2 it.
19:55:25Johtajawhat should i do?
19:56:16DeaconKoosanyone seen SuperDSombrero around?
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20:00:27pixelmaJohtaja: afaik you have to boot into sansa firmware for usb transfers (but I don't have a sansa myself)
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20:01:59JohtajaThanks a million! You saved my day :)
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20:02:44pixelmayou're welcome :)
20:03:09JohtajaI thought i was soo screwd xD
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20:05:06JohtajaThere we go :)
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20:05:15JohtajaNow ill mess around w/ it later
20:06:12JohtajaBye, and thanks.
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20:06:46pixelmaforum search is broken once again :/
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20:23:37Nico_Pamiconn: when you said "request the plugin ram and use what you get instead of hardcoding", what did you mean by hardcoding ? is using plugin_get_buffer() enough ?
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20:24:46Nico_Pok, cool
20:24:55amiconnBy hardcoding I meant just using the start address instead of plugin_get_buffer()
20:25:13Nico_Pthat's what I thought but I just wanted to make sure
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20:54:06mattzzFirst complete battery run on sansa:
20:56:44mattzzWhat puzzles me is the low power message from the bootloader, when switched on with nearly empty battery
20:57:13mattzzIs that done by the original bootload part?
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21:05:04perl|workNico_P, thanks (again) for all the work on the cue support, its a pleasure to use it :P
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21:05:48Nico_Pperl|work: you're welcome :)
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21:07:26perl|workNico_P, really cant imagine a better way to implement all the features it has, at least the interface side of it
21:08:15jac0bhow come patches 6908 & 6911 haven't been included in the sansa build? Is there a problem with them?
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21:26:00*Nico_P has gotten rid of the format_buffer :)
21:27:47perl|workrobbie, are you here?
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21:52:03Nico_Pa quick overview of the tokenizer :
21:52:40Bagderooo fancy! ;-)
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21:54:53Nico_PBagder: how hard would it be to set up branches in the SVN repo to work on some things ?
21:55:16Bagdervery easy
21:55:46Nico_PBagder: do you think it would be a good idea or would it just lead to a complete mess ?
21:55:55Nico_PI'm not very familiar with the concept
21:56:32Nico_Pbut I was thinking about it because it sounds to be a perfectly appropriate definition of what I'm doing currently
21:56:58Bagderit makes sense if you want others to be able to collaborate and share the work
21:57:56Bagderbut we should probably bring up the subject with a few other devs first to see what people think
21:58:47Nico_Pi'm not really suggesting creating a branch for the tokenizer... it's probably a bit late for that now, but it could've been nice.
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21:59:18Bagderyeah, the question is still valid for other upcoming work
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21:59:44Nico_Pindeed, especially GSoC work
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22:06:41VercingetorixHi all...I need some help
22:07:19VercingetorixI have an ipod 4G grey with ipodbootloader 2.5d6 installed and last build of rockbox
22:07:35Vercingetorixand I always get the message "codec failure"
22:07:38Vercingetorixany hints?
22:08:06BagderVercingetorix: you have a rockbox.* in your root?
22:08:16Bagderrockbox.ipod possibly
22:08:20VercingetorixI have rockbox.ipod in my root
22:08:29Bagderremove that and upgrade your bootloader
22:08:29Vercingetorixand the .rockbox directory
22:08:49Bagdernewer bootloaders prefer the rockbox.ipod _within_ the .rockbox folder
22:08:55Bagderwhich is where we put it these days
22:09:04VercingetorixI have already tried...
22:09:13Vercingetorixbut I'll try again
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22:09:32Bagdera less good option is to copy the file from within .rockbox to the root folder
22:09:53Vercingetorixthis is what I do usually
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22:16:41Vercingetorixsame problem again...I have revomed rockbox.ipod from the root folder, reinstalled the bootloader with dd, unzipped the lastest build of rockbox and modified the ipodloader.conf making it pointing to /.rockbox/rockbox.ipod
22:16:59Vercingetorixrockbox starts...but when I try to read a file: codec failure
22:18:01scorchewe dont support ipodloader here...just rockbox and the rockbox bootloader
22:18:42Vercingetorixbut...this means that I cannot have rockbox and ipodlinux installed together?
22:18:56scorcheit can cause unintended effects like that
22:19:02scorcheyou can have them like that just fine
22:19:29peturVercingetorix: did you download current build or daily?
22:19:46Vercingetorixyou mean that I can boot ipodlinux with rockbox bootloader?
22:20:26VercingetorixI downloaded daily build
22:20:49scorchetry the SVN builds
22:21:24VercingetorixI have tried also the current build
22:21:27Vercingetorixsame effect
22:21:44VercingetorixI get this problem from about one month
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22:22:16scorchewell, the ipl bootloader can have effects like this, or so i have heard....i would go to the people that made that piece of software
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22:22:56peturcheck the date of the rockbox.ipod file and those in .rockbox/codecs , they should be the same date
22:23:27Vercingetorixok, now I check
22:23:28peturand only have one rockbox.ipod on your player, in .rockbox dir
22:23:45scorchehave you been extracting just the rockbox.ipod file, or the folder also?
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22:24:36VercingetorixI have only one rockbox.ipod file, in the .rockbox folder, its date is the same of codes
22:24:46VercingetorixI unzipped all the file
22:32:41LearVercingetorix: What kind of files are you trying to play?
22:32:54Vercingetorixsimple mp3
22:33:04Vercingetorixthe problem happens with any file
22:33:20LearShouldn't be the file then...
22:33:31Vercingetorixso I think...
22:33:52Vercingetorixmay be the problem is the ipodbootloader 2.5d6 that I use to boot rockbox
22:34:02scorcheyes...which is what i was saying
22:34:57scorchepossibly something about its dual-core support, and with us running the codec on the other core...
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22:36:52VercingetorixI need to disinstall ipodbootloader in some way?
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22:39:43Bagderbeen a while seen I saw line noise ;-)
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22:41:23Ph1r3ph0x_numberi have some problems with my rockbox
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22:41:45Ph1r3ph0x_can sb. help me please?
22:41:47scorcheenough witht he name changes...really
22:42:35Ph1r3ph0x_i can't hear music....
22:42:45Ph1r3ph0x_and i don
22:42:56Ph1r3ph0x_know where is the problem
22:43:16Bagderwhat's your target?
22:43:24Ph1r3ph0x_ipod 5g
22:43:40scorcheand what, exactly, is happening?
22:43:45Ph1r3ph0x_i have already had an old version of rockbox
22:43:54Ph1r3ph0x_now i've updated it
22:44:01Ph1r3ph0x_and there is a read error
22:44:18Ph1r3ph0x_w8 a moment and i can tell you the exact error
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22:45:58Ph1r3ph0x_Data abort at 002FF64
22:46:20Ph1r3ph0x_and i have to reset the ipod
22:46:25scorchecan you update to the newest build and see if you still get it?
22:46:37pixelmaI believe you were also someone who used loader2 ?
22:46:40Ph1r3ph0x_it IS the latest build
22:46:59Ph1r3ph0x_i use the ipod linux loader
22:47:06*scorche sighs
22:47:37BagderPh1r3ph0x_: first test is to use the Rockbox bootloader instead
22:48:01Ph1r3ph0x_how do i do this? :P
22:48:12Ph1r3ph0x_where do i get it?
22:51:12Soaphow old was your previous build before you updated to this one and things got screwey?
22:51:58Ph1r3ph0x_i think rockbox-ipodvideo-20070122
22:53:23Ph1r3ph0x_i have a backup but i want to use the new feauters
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22:55:13Soapyour bootloader, does it display black text on a blue background perhaps?
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22:55:31scorcheipl bootloader Soap
22:56:12Soapdang it - I read him say it even. I completely fogged out and though he was insisting on the RB bootloader.
22:56:28Soapahh - with IPL's bootloader - who knows?
22:56:31FebsPh1r3ph0x_: run this:
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22:57:23Febs(I'm assuming you are on Windows.)
22:57:31Ph1r3ph0x_i am
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23:01:22Ph1r3ph0x_the same
23:01:28Ph1r3ph0x_but also the same bootloader
23:01:51Ph1r3ph0x_i think i need to reset my ipod complitly first
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23:02:40Ph1r3ph0x_therefor i found this:
23:02:40Ph1r3ph0x_but its not for 5G
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23:05:29FebsCould you please write actual sentences and perhaps provide some information? What do you mean by "ok" and "the same"?
23:05:55FebsAnd more importantly, by "but also the same bootloader"?
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23:06:04robin0800unless you need the apple firmware you can just format it
23:06:22Ph1r3ph0x_its the same misstake and the bootloader didnt change
23:06:35FebsWhat happened when you ran ipodpatcher?
23:06:56Ph1r3ph0x_blabla installed successfully
23:08:02FebsHere's what you should do now: blabla.
23:08:20*midgey chuckles
23:09:01bluebrotherPh1r3ph0x_: you're from germany?
23:09:24FebsMy point is that "blabla" is not very helpful to us.
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23:09:30scorchePh1r3ph0x_: please read this:
23:09:38bluebrotherFebs: that's "denglisch" −− english with german sentence style ;-)
23:10:20bluebrotherPh1r3ph0x_: uninstall the IPL bootloader first. Try running ipodpatcher and use the "uninstall" option
23:10:58Ph1r3ph0x_i cant uninstall the ipl bootloader, thats the point
23:11:42bluebrotherdo you have a backup copy of the boot sector?
23:12:01bluebrotherbtw, german version of the link Febs gave you:
23:12:11robin0800does a fat32 format remove bootloaders?
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23:12:24bluebrotherhow did you install the bootloader? I assume IPL has some removal option
23:12:26bluebrotherrobin0800: no
23:13:32Ph1r3ph0x_i can reset everything with the "Ipod Updater", i did so in the past, but it says *Interner Fehler* - Internal Error
23:13:35robin0800so you would have to use itunes if there is no uninstall option?
23:14:05bluebrotheryou can also copy back a backup copy of the boot sector ...
23:14:47Ph1r3ph0x_ok i've found sth
23:14:58Ph1r3ph0x_w8 a second
23:15:04robin0800the ipod updater is very out of date i think its all done in itunes now
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23:16:57bluebrotherPh1r3ph0x_: did you enable emergency disk mode before trying to update?
23:17:15Ph1r3ph0x_whats this?
23:17:18robin0800do many people make backup copies of the boot sector?
23:17:34bluebrotherno idea
23:17:58bluebrotherreboot the ipod by holding down Menu + Select. When the apple logo comes up press Play + Select.
23:17:58Ph1r3ph0x_i MADE a backup but i had a hdd crash -.-
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23:18:08bluebrotheryou end up in emergency disk mode.
23:18:10robin0800I never have and what program can be used?
23:18:18bluebrotheron linux you can use dd
23:18:35bluebrotherno idea.
23:18:43bluebrothertry asking google ;-)
23:19:14bluebrotherbut any disk editor should work fine
23:20:30robin0800am i right in thinking it has a non standard format?
23:22:09bluebrotherwhat do you mean by "non standard format"?
23:23:10Ph1r3ph0x_bluebrother: reboot the ipod by holding down Menu + Select. When the apple logo comes up press Play + Select
23:23:16Ph1r3ph0x_doesent work
23:23:33bluebrothertry flipping the hold switch on and off before resetting
23:23:49bluebrotherit needs to work −− it's a hardware function
23:23:51Ph1r3ph0x_i come to the 'discmode'
23:24:06bluebrotherthat is where you want to go to
23:24:16bluebrotheris it colored or greyscale?
23:24:28robin0800ipod patcher sayes its empty
23:24:39bluebrotherrobin0800: what are you talking about?
23:24:45Ph1r3ph0x_greyscale its the ipl discmode
23:24:59robin0800the boot sector
23:25:11bluebrotheron color ipods the emergency disk mode is b/w
23:25:38bluebrotherrobin0800: if ipodpatcher tells you the boot sector is empty then ... you messed up your disk completely
23:25:58Ph1r3ph0x_but its the ipl discmode
23:26:14bluebrotheryou are not referring to the hidden partition apple uses to store the firmware?
23:26:26bluebrotherPh1r3ph0x_: how do youit's IPL disc mode?
23:26:37bluebrothers/you/you know/
23:27:20robin0800yes that might be it as it starts at sector 63
23:27:22bluebrotherthat's a regular expression. It just tells I missed a word
23:27:32bluebrotherwhat starts at sector 63?
23:27:37bluebrotherthe first partition?
23:27:44bluebrotherthe boot sector is always in sector 0
23:28:00robin0800what ipodpatcher says is empty
23:28:18bluebrothercan you pastebin the output somewhere? I really don't get what you mean
23:28:34FebsPh1r3ph0x_: if you have entered disk mode, try plugging in the ipod to USB and running ipodpatcher again.
23:29:41Ph1r3ph0x_ok @Febs
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23:31:22robin0800pate bin here
23:31:25Ph1r3ph0x_the same bootloader, but i've downloaded itunes
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23:33:45bluebrotherrobin0800: ah. So you're talking about the first partition.
23:34:00FebsPh1r3ph0x_: have you tried selecting the "u" option in ipodpatcher to uninstall the bootloader and then reinstalling it?
23:34:03bluebrotherthat has the _type_ set to 0 (which equals to "empty")
23:34:36bluebrotherthis doesn't say anything if the partition itself is empty or not (it's just a type that helps the OS to determine what's inside of the partition)
23:34:41robin0800could ipodpatcher be able to save and restore the boot partion
23:35:03bluebrotherand this is not the boot sector. The boot sector holds informations including the partition table which is listed by ipodpatcher
23:35:13bluebrothertried ipodpatcher -h?
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23:36:13bluebrotherbut from what I see it doesn't save the boot sector, only the boot partition
23:36:26bluebrotherbut unless you changed something to the boot sector this should be sufficient
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23:44:55Ph1r3ph0x_i have resetted my ipod via itunes and patched it
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23:45:10Ph1r3ph0x_but i forgot to copy rockbox on the ipod
23:45:21Ph1r3ph0x_now everything is broken
23:45:24bluebrothergo to emergency disk mode and extract the build.
23:45:37bluebrothernothing is broken. At least not badly.
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23:49:05pixelmaLlorean: do you happen to know who else could fix the broken forum search (LinusN is in holidays)?
23:50:06Lloreanpixelma: Anyone who can log into the actual server and run an sql command to repair the table, I believe.
23:50:22LloreanUnfortunately, I'm not one of them. Bagder?
23:50:43Bagdernope I can't
23:51:09Ph1r3ph0x_everything works :D
23:51:15Ph1r3ph0x_i'm soooooooooo happy
23:51:21Ph1r3ph0x_you are great
23:51:24robin0800just been looking at ipodpatcher and yes it can read and write the bootpartion could these be added to auto screen and included in docs ?
23:51:51bluebrotherwhy is the boot sector of interest?
23:52:06bluebrotherthe bootloader lives in the system partition anyway.
23:52:27bluebrotherand what do you want to "auto screen"?
23:53:40robin0800if people install a non rockbox boot loader tha breaks there ipod ipodpatchercould restore th backup and so remove it
23:53:41Lloreanpixelma: Unfortunately, this sounds like it needs either LinusN to return, or Jeff from Misticriver can probably do it. Unfortunately, I have no idea how to reliably contact him.
23:54:08BagderI can call LinusN tomorrow
23:54:09Lloreanrobin0800: If they've made a backup, iPodPatcher can be used to restore it, yes.
23:54:15LloreanBut you can't restore a backup if they haven't made one.
23:54:23Bagderhe has a laptop and wireless access
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23:55:09robin0800well hence the change to the installation page tell them to make a backup
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23:55:50Lloreanrobin0800: Why do they need a backup exactly?
23:56:16bluebrotherthe bootloader doesn't live in the boot sector.
23:56:43robin0800well i think this might fix loader2 problems etc
23:57:03Lloreanrobin0800: So, maybe you should make the Loader2 people tell them to make a backup
23:57:30LloreanIf someone installs loader2, makes a backup, and then installs Rockbox, they're still going to need a pre-loader2 firmware partition before they can have a "clean" rockbox install
23:57:38LloreanAny backup they make during our install process will be useless to them
23:57:49LloreanAnd the "firmware partition" is very different from "boot sector"
23:58:28robin0800which is the one ipodpatcher copies?

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