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#rockbox log for 2007-04-04

00:00:46bluebrotherthere is a boot sector. And there is a partition that is used for booting. It's called boot partition sometimes, and that is this empty marked partition
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00:05:50Lloreanrobin0800: The significance is between the word "sector" and "partition", as they're both technical terms.
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00:11:13walterhello, someone here who is able to answer a question which might not be a very smart one?
00:11:39hcsstupid questions are my specialty!
00:12:28walterI would like to buy a new musicplayer, and i thought the sansa might be a good one.
00:12:52walterbut i read the docs and the web page, and something is not very clear to me.
00:13:12walterIt says the USB is not supported well.
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00:14:05walterdoes this mean i can only load files on the device when not using rockbox?
00:14:13Bagderwalter: rockbox has no usb support of its own on the sansa, but relies on the user to start the original firmware for that
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00:15:16LinusOnVacationpixelma: i just fixed the search
00:15:36pixelmamany thanks :)
00:15:50LinusOnVacationgtg, cu
00:16:01walterBadger: Okay, does this mean i have to install the original firmware when i shove the device in my computer?
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00:16:31Bagderwalter: the OF is kept on the device already and you can easily boot into that at your choice
00:16:44Bagderand rockbox even does it for you if you start it by plugging in the usb
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00:17:28Vercingetorixok I solved the problem....
00:18:09walterBadger: you mean it can be used by a noob like me?
00:18:16Bagderyes it can
00:18:28walterSomeone who uses linux because he doesn't understand windows?
00:18:32VercingetorixI didn't update the .rockbox directory in the partition of music...but I continued to update a .rockbox directory in the same partition of ipodlinux
00:19:24Vercingetorixnow I have updated the .rockbox directory in the partition of music and no more codec failure...
00:19:43Vercingetorixstill continuing using ipodbootloader 2.5d6
00:19:58walterBadger: thanks. It's shopping time i guess.
00:20:36Bagderit's sleeping time for me!
00:21:28Nico_Pwhy do I get a warning when assigning a the value of a const var to a non-const var ?
00:21:35Nico_Pand how do I get rid of it ?
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00:29:35tsuyoshiis it a string?
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00:30:40tsuyoshiif you copy a pointer to a const array to a pointer to a non-const array it can cause problems
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00:40:01unknownsidhuhey guys I gotta quick question, i just loaded Rockbox onto my nano, and got everything working just fine, but how do I put music onto my player so that I cnan browse music using database, instead of files?
00:40:58Soapdatabase will search your files anyway you place them on there.
00:41:05SoapASSuming they are propery tagged.
00:41:58scorcheheh....i got a major spam attack from slashnet, so i instictively popped op status on all channels i could >_>
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00:42:11unknownsidhuyeah theyre tagged fine, i kan only see the files that I had on before when I used iTunes through the data base, but not the new ones
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00:42:42Soapscorche might know better than I about the database...
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00:42:58unknownsidhui placed them as following G:/Music/
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00:44:22scorcheunknownsidhu: try deleting the tagcache files and re-initializing
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00:46:50unknownsidhushoot i kant even delete my old music using iTunes nemore
00:46:58unknownsidhunever mind, :P
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00:47:52Nico_Ptsuyoshi: I found what was wrong, thanks
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00:57:47H10_007quickAnyone familular with the custom_line patch?
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01:05:19chaoshi ... i am experiencing a terrible problem ... i downloaded the latest build , overwrite the stuff over my ipod root and when i try viewing pics,videos it has a version error and when i try playimng music on rockbox it has a codec error, and if u where thinking that i had 2 .rockbox files i already cleaned them
01:07:23peturdaily or current build?
01:08:10chaoscurrent builds
01:08:35chaosso which part am i wrong in?
01:09:02Nico_Pchaos: this is probably because your bootloader is outdated. the rockbox.ipod file has moved to .rockbox instead of the root
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01:09:45Nico_Pchaos: if you move the rockbox.ipod from .rockbox back to the root, it should work. but that's not a very good solution
01:09:58chaosi got no idea on what to do now ... please explain
01:10:42Nico_Ptry moving the rockbox.ipod file as I said just above. If that leads to rockbox working fine, then it means you need to update your bootloader
01:10:50chaoshuh? my .rockbox is already in my rockbox root
01:11:19chaosrockbox.ipod? where is this file?
01:11:31Nico_Pchaos: that's probably an old one.
01:11:59chaosi found the rockbox.ipod (ipod file)
01:12:23chaosso i just dump it in the rockbox file?
01:12:32chaosor do i copy?
01:12:54Nico_Pchaos: move the one that's in the .rockbox dir to the root
01:13:59chaosbut i already have 1 file exactly the same name (do i replace it)
01:14:22Nico_Pexactly, yes, replace it. that file is an ld one
01:14:25chaosin the root
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01:15:31chaosgonna try it ... thx
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01:15:50robin0800delete the one in the root keep the on in .rockbox
01:15:56Nico_Pchaos: this will probably work but you need to update your bootloader
01:16:19Nico_Potherwise you'll need to do this everytime you update rockbox
01:16:47chaoswhat does updating bootlader do and what is the reason to this please explain
01:17:03FebsJust run this program:
01:17:27chaosis there any way to reduce the brightness of rockbox?
01:18:02Soapthere is a patch in the patch tracker to allow brightness changes on the ipods.
01:18:33Soapuntil someone tells me it is safe for the hardware (which it very well might be) I'm scared to use it.
01:18:57Soapit (the patch) also causes problems with some plugins / viewers unless you leave it at maximum brightness.
01:19:33chaoshmm ... i updated my firmware of my ipod to 1.2 i can change the brightness through there but not on rockbnox tho
01:20:20robin0800not sure its completly up to date and doom dosn't work if its not set to maximum thus not very useful imho
01:21:00Soapchaos: the brightness is software controlled, thus no changes made in Apple's software will carry-over to Rockbox's software.
01:21:15chaosi know ^^
01:21:38chaosok now ... my mpeg player lags at watching videos any way to solve this
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01:22:52Soapwhich ipod?
01:23:20chaosipod video
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01:24:14chaosFebs: u gave me a link i downloaded it sucessfully now what do i do?
01:24:22FebsRun it.
01:25:07chaosthen it'll automatically update the rockbox?
01:25:44Soapchaos: the 5G is going to play full width videos very slowly.
01:25:57FebsIt will give you a choice of three options. Select "i" to install the most recent bootloader.
01:26:56chaosSoap: so is there a wat to increase the refresh rate
01:27:03chaosfebs: thx
01:27:34Soapencode at a framerate equal-to or lower than what the player's hardware can handle. :(
01:27:56chaosencode using vlc?
01:28:39Soapffmpeg appears to do non-standard frame-rates.
01:29:08chaosany link to download it?
01:30:16Kolya33Now does an LCD use more power when it shows a white screen or when it shows a black screen?
01:30:44Soapchaos: LL made a thread introducing it in the forums, I also believe it is covered in the pluginmpegplayer wikipage.
01:30:56SoapKolya33: insignificant.
01:31:12Kolya33Oh okay, thanks Soap!
01:32:00chaosSoap: first of all i cannot use VLC to convert can i use other programs to convert? ... btw what formats of videos can rockbox handle
01:32:40Soapmpeg 1 or mpeg 2 video muxed with mp2 or mp3 audio.
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01:33:33Soapchaos: you can use ffmpeg, or winFF as a front-end for ffmpeg. Since you need non-standard framerates to watch on the ipod 5th gen, you really should use ffmpeg.
01:34:06chaosffmpeg also converts vieos to those formats?
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01:34:55Soapoh yes
01:36:12chaosso i shoudl be using winFF instead of ffmpeg right? or they have different function
01:37:06SoapwinFF is a front-end for ffmpeg
01:38:05chaoswhat does that mean?
01:40:19chaosumm ...
01:40:59chaosi got a link for it
01:41:32Febschaos: there are step-by-step instructions here:
01:41:53FebsThere is also a link to download presets that you can use that are specific to Rockbox.
01:42:35chaoswow thx
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01:43:12chaosi came to that site about 2weeks ago and it want there lol
01:44:15chaosok now i want to delete VLC so i clean vlc but some vlc fles are still i my rockboxf folder and some are in the root so i amnually delete them right?
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01:49:46chaosi wana ask something ... when i chicked on database i beleive a list of things come out and it says something about connecting to o proecessor (is there somethjing wrong)?
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02:06:05bazzin a .cfg file, how do the values for foreground: and background: map to rgb values?
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02:19:29Febsbazz: the settings run from 000000 to FFFFFF and are RRGGBB.
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02:24:20chaoswhcn i clicked on database then it ays someting about co processor ...wwat does it mean?
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02:26:40bazzFebs: okay, thanks
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02:27:52Febschaos: I am not aware of any such message.
02:27:54chaosok i gtg laters
02:28:06chaosumm it says rolo
02:28:15chaosthen a list appears
02:28:29Febs"rolo" and "co-process" are not at all similar. What exactly are you clicking on?
02:28:52chaosit says rolo and then my rockbox get stuck
02:29:23FebsRead my last question.
02:29:28donutman25i'm trying to edit the mpegplayer plugin for sansa
02:29:32donutman25can someone tell me where to find the specific piece of code that makes in exit in the mpegplayer.c file please?
02:30:35Llorean"makes in exit"?
02:31:09donutman25oh sorry, i mean makes the plugin exit
02:32:06LloreanWell, there's several exit conditions
02:32:15LloreanIf a file ends, if you press stop, if you choose to quit from the menu
02:32:52donutman25could you please tell me the one for quitting from the menu
02:32:59chaosu talking about my problem?
02:33:14chaosok now i know
02:33:17LloreanI don't know it. :) Just pointing out that your question still needed some fine tuning for someone who does know to be able to answer.
02:33:24chaosok i gtg .. laters
02:33:27Lloreanchaos: No, you never answered Febs' question, so you can't be helped further
02:33:46donutman25thanks anyway
02:34:21chaosi clicked on database (on rockbox) then a list appears and it gets stuck all i can remember it saying was ROLO
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02:34:49Lloreanchaos: Well, do it again so you can tell us exactly what it says, both what it lists, and the error message.
02:35:02LloreanBecause there's nothing normally associated with database that says "ROLO"\
02:36:14chaosok i 'll tell u
02:41:17chaosi clicked on rockbox(an x icon) it says: ROLO ... Loading Waiting for coprocessor ... (it stops there)
02:41:33LloreanSo, you didn't click on database
02:41:59LloreanWhat you just did was click on a rockbox.ipod (or rockbox.h10 or rockbox.e200, I don't know which player you have), and it tried to load that file
02:42:00chaosi did it loads up and quits by itself
02:42:22LloreanYou clicked on the Rockbox file, NOT database.
02:42:24chaoson ipod video 60gb ... it does nothing right?
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02:42:32LloreanOr are you saying you also clicked on database?
02:42:40LloreanYou really need to be clear about what exactly you did, we can't read your mind
02:42:58chaosmy bad
02:42:58LloreanClicking on the rockbox.ipod file is pointless right now, and the instructions very definitely do not tell you to do so for using the database
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02:43:34chaosok thx thats all i want to hear =)
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02:47:03z1pherHi everyone. Do you guys know whether there's a way to exit the hard disk mode on the Ipod? My ipod's screen is monochrome and it has a check mark with this message below it: "ok to disconnect". Thank you!
02:47:37Soapis the USB/Firewire cable plugged in?
02:47:47z1pherYep, it is.
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02:48:04z1pherBut, I wouldn't do that before
02:48:25Soapit used to automaticly reboot upon ejection from (I assume) Windows?
02:48:48z1pherand I use gtkpod
02:49:12z1pherand yes it used to :S
02:49:28Soapthat's all a function of Apple's firmware...
02:49:41z1pherproblems started when I had to boot into "disk mode" to install rockbox
02:49:46Soapmenu+select will force a reboot on 4th gen up.
02:49:55z1phersince then, I don't know how to get back into "normal" mode lol
02:50:43z1pherhmm, it restarts, but the ugly black&white screen is still there :\
02:51:21z1pherWhat does usually happen when you are charging your ipod with rockbox installed?
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02:52:59z1pherright now, my ipod is being charged up and it has a ugly "do not disconnect" message in the middle of the screen. However, the screen is not supposed to be black&white, is it?
02:53:11Llorea1Yes, it is.
02:53:23Llorea1Rockbox reboots into 'emergency disk mode' upon USB connection
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02:54:09Soap(which is B/W regardless of your ipod)
02:54:18z1pherI see. So the ugly screen is totaly normal?
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02:54:34z1pherOk, thank you very much for the info!
02:54:55z1pherI thought I had screwed up my ipod oO
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04:23:04plus_MWhen I try to play .gb or .gbc games on my 60GB 5th gen iPod I get an "Incompatible Version" error
04:25:49Soapthat error is common when your rockbox.ipod doesn't match the plugins in your .rockbox directory.
04:26:29plus_MI replaced the plugins directory and the rockbox.ipod just today
04:26:29Soap(and I like your style, not saying "Can I ask a question?")
04:27:07plus_MI do notice that the wiki said something about rockboy not appearing in your plugins list
04:27:20Soaprockbox is in the viewers directory, not plugins.
04:27:29plus_MThat may be it then
04:27:38Soapwhy didn't you replace the entire .rockbox directory?
04:27:54plus_MI was afraid of losing some settings
04:27:56plus_MAnd themes
04:28:58Soapif you unzip ontop of the existing structure it will only overwrite the individial files, not the entire directory wholesale.
04:29:03Soapcodecs get updated too.
04:29:12plus_MI suppose
04:29:31Soaplot easier than picking out every changed file individually.
04:29:47Soap(then wondering why things don't work) ;)
04:29:52plus_MGood point
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04:38:09plus_MWell that was fun
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04:45:03Shaun2Does anyone know where the 80gb port is getting worked on?
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04:51:42JerryLangeyou should ask that question when there are more devs on
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04:52:14Llorea1Shaun2: What do you mean by "where"?
04:52:32Shaun2Well in feb is was said that the issues are worked out and whatnot, thread was closed.
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04:52:41Shaun2It's April and haven't seen a peep.
04:52:46Shaun2I have to assume they're working somewhere.
04:53:02LloreanRockbox's FAT32 driver needs to be rewritten
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04:58:41JerryLangethat will probably take a long time i would imagine
05:00:17LloreanYeah. If I understand correctly, because Rockbox's driver was written more or less from the ground up based on certain assumptions, it's quite some effort to fix it. Our driver's a lot smaller and more limited than the iPL one, which is why the fix isn't nearly as easy, ours was designed for performance on these limited environments. (If I've got it correctly)
05:02:07JerryLangeare some of the ipl people helping with the rewright? I know dataghost is on the rockbox forums
05:03:34LloreanThe rewrite is mostly a one-person job.
05:03:46LloreanThe hard part isn't the 80gb specific parts of it.
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05:04:19LloreanIt's known what needs to be done, the hard part is just that it's a bit of a task, and people do have other things going on in their lives.
05:05:48JerryLangeI plan on getting the 80gig towards the end of april begining of may.
05:06:10LloreanThe iPod really isn't the best Rockbox player.
05:06:20LloreanUnless you have a specific reason to want it, you might want to consider one of the other ones.
05:07:24JerryLangeI need a lot of space.
05:08:29Soapget a iriver and drop a 60 in it.
05:08:37Soap(an iRiver)
05:08:39LloreanOr get a Gigabeat F60
05:08:44Soapthat too.
05:08:51LloreanOr an iRiver H140, or Gigabeat F40 and buy an 80gb drive for it. :)
05:08:55SoapLlorean is a brute.
05:09:12LloreanApparently I'm shortened to "LL" when I'm not looking. :-P
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05:10:01JerryLangewhats wrong with the ipods?
05:10:39LloreanPoor battery life, slow processor causing some performance limitations primarily.
05:10:51JerryLangeor maybe i should say whats not wrong with the ipods?:)
05:11:07plus_MLike in Rockboy
05:11:17LloreanThe iPods will be able to do music playback just fine, the menus may react slowly while music is playing.
05:11:19plus_MMan was that slow...
05:11:42LloreanAs well, you may or may not be able to make full use of the equalizer, though once the coprocessor is working right this should improve.
05:12:03LloreanVideo in Rockbox on a 5G iPod is basically minimalistic, you won't get good framerates at all.
05:12:14SoapI'm so used to LL <tab> ;) forgive me.
05:12:26LloreanBasically, it'll do fine as a Music Player, but a lot of the "extra" features of Rockbox won't work as well as they do elsewhere.
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05:13:08JerryLangeIs there any way to improve this? Probably take a long time if it is possible.
05:13:20LloreanImprove what part of it?
05:13:28LloreanMusic functionality will likely get much better.
05:13:47LloreanBattery life depends on someone discovering where the drain is: Likely to happen one day, but no way to predict if it'll be tomorrow or two years from now
05:14:00LloreanIt's not something poorly coded, it's a case of unknown hardware most likely
05:14:51LloreanVideo will probably never get as good as the original firmware unless someone gets ambitious and figures out how to use the broadcom chip, not something likely to come from the core team since optimizing the main video player will help more targets overall, and video isn't really a core focus anyway (though it may become more of one now that it's getting spiffy)
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05:17:02JerryLangeAnd there is no info on the broadcom chip. What ever happened to that guy talking to his teacher who worked for Nvidia?
05:17:33LloreanThat wouldn't help with the Broadcom chip anyway, even if something had happened.
05:17:45LloreanNVidia owns PortalPlayer, which is a different hting.
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05:19:18JerryLangeoh ok. i misunderstood then.
05:19:49LloreanIt's very unlikely that we'll ever receive useful information from PortalPlayer/NVidia in my personal opinion.
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05:22:50JerryLangethe biggest memory size for a sansa is 8gb?
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05:31:05JerryLangehow are the gigabeat builds for performance? how do they hold up to the other rockbox players?
05:31:30aliaskJerryLange: The gigabeats are the best performing rockbox target in terms of raw power
05:32:24LloreanJerryLange: If you want Video, the Gigabeat is really your only viable choice.
05:32:48JerryLangeI could care less about video honestly
05:33:01LloreanIn terms of audio functionality, the iRiver H100 and H300 series, and the iAudio X5/M5 players perform about as well, just because the needs of those features plateaus and so all of those and the Gigabeat surpass that.
05:36:29OverandLlorean: is there expected to be an 'improvement' in UI speed (mostly just scroll-through-file-list, really) in the ipod G5?
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05:37:05LloreanOverand: When coprocessor support is working as intended, it should be much improved. Basically, music shouldn't slow down list scrolling at all
05:37:15LloreanThat combined with improved list scrolling code should help greatly
05:37:35OverandLlorean: list scrolling is slow when there's no music playing - in fact, list scrolling is *fine* when there's music that just started
05:37:43JerryLangeDoes rockbox currently supposrt the 60gb? The MES60VK?
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05:37:57LloreanOverand: Notice I said combined with improved list scrolling code.
05:37:59Overand(from talking to you or someone else here i discovered that it was probably due to the core clock cranking up)
05:38:02OverandLlorean: =]
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05:38:31LloreanRight now list scrolling is "medium" when no audio is on, "Fastish" when the CPU is boosted for audio, and "damn slow" when the CPU isn't boosted but audio is playing
05:38:56Overandyeah, that sounds right
05:39:17Overandoh, i had that lock-up again, but that was about 5 days ago
05:39:38LloreanImproved list code should give you a nice scroll speed during no-audio, and moving audio to the coprocessor properly should keep audio from being able to slow down scrolling ever.
05:39:50LloreanBoth of these things are expected to happen eventually
05:39:52Overandand the UI locked at 'disk active' - and the backlight would still respond, the disc was spun down, an d nothing responded other than the select+menu reboot
05:40:45Overandit happened after the player started *not* getting tags, it was skipping through the playlist, displaying a filename briefly, then going to the next one - i'll update again when i have time and will see if it's still happening
05:41:48JerryLangehow big is the space on the Toshiba Gigabeat F ?
05:41:56JerryLangememory size*
05:42:02LloreanAnywhere from 10 to 60 depending on model
05:42:37JerryLangeWhich are supported by rockbox?
05:42:50LloreanAll of them?
05:43:10LloreanThe 80gb iPod has a "weird" drive, which is the only reason it isn't supported
05:43:24LloreanOn other players, the different size drives don't make a difference.
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05:56:48sslasheshello all
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05:58:07sslashesanyone taken a look at the wiki parge describing the current ideas/thoughts on my ui proposal?
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06:02:46sslasheswell, anyway - if anyone is interested, some comments on the current contents of the page would be great:
06:02:54hen3rzsslashes link?
06:03:12hen3rzlol dw
06:03:34hen3rzwait yeah ur link is wack
06:03:41sslasheshm, about that
06:03:51Lloreansslashes: I still don't like the idea of the WPS being a sub-folder of the theme. I really value mix&matching a WPS with a browser/settings backdrop, which in my opinion should extend to mix and matching WPS, Browser Style, and Settings style
06:04:49LloreanCurrently it's very easy to use the WPS from one theme with the backdrop for the browser from another
06:05:16LloreanI'm not sure "ease of installation" is a large concern, because at the moment RBUtil can automatically install themes, and this functionality can be used for any new theme format.
06:05:30LloreanInstead the concentration, in my personal opinion, needs to be on flexibility of use, rather than ease of install.
06:05:36sslashessory about that, whenever i paist the rockbox link into irssi it removes the "ckb
06:05:45LloreanYou can't get much easer than "Point and click" in the end, anyway :)
06:05:49sslashes(aparently those characters are special in irssi)
06:05:59sslashesLlorean: very true
06:06:19sslashesyou would rather the was no "theme_1"
06:06:33sslasheshm, let me mock up something and see if we are on the same page
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06:07:40LloreanWith your setup, one should be able to pick a browsing.draw, a settings.draw and a playing.draw separately, from different themes, if they really want to.
06:07:52LloreanOr load a backdrop on its own for either of the list-style viewers.
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06:08:31LloreanAs far as I'm concerned, backdrops are separate from everything else anyway. I have a text-WPS that I change the backdrop on from time to time anyway, and you can do that with many of the graphical ones as well.
06:08:47LloreanBut anyway, this is just my personal opinion: How I like to use these things
06:09:14JerryLangeI noticed when you change themes from a theme with a backdrop to a theme with a backround color the backround color is not set and the backdrop stays the same.
06:09:50LloreanJerryLange: Yeah, there are a few problems regarding backdrops, specifically regarding un-setting them.
06:10:30JerryLangeyeah it sucks when you set one with black color backround and have black text. I use the simulator to figure out how to get a different theme.
06:10:51hen3rzlol that happend to me today
06:11:06JerryLangeAlthough with the new menu I can do it by memory now. less keypresses it seems
06:11:44hen3rzthe current wps system needs a font scalling feature bad
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06:12:47Lloreanhen3rz: Why does it "need" a scaling feature?
06:12:47sslashesLlorean: check the wiki again
06:12:57Lloreanhen3rz: If you don't like the font size, pick a different sized font.
06:13:26sslashesLlorean: if the new drawing system allows for different font sized, a scaling feature might be useful
06:13:33hen3rzyes but certain font sizes are more appropriate for things like browsing and others are more appropriate for viewing wps information
06:13:43Lloreanhen3rz: Then you support multiple fonts.
06:14:05LloreanBeing bitmapped fonts, scaling them to arbitrary sizes is not an easy feature.
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06:14:16Lloreansslashes: I like the first modified one better.
06:14:24hen3rzi see
06:14:28JerryLangewhat is the difference between this viewdrawing and the single tar file wps's?
06:14:31Lloreansslashes: Allows more than one person to name something "play.bmp" without conflict.
06:14:35scorcheLlorean: soooo...almost the 4th ;)
06:15:07Lloreanscorche: Aye, I wish I knew how many we had.
06:15:18scorchewell, you probably will in a few hours
06:15:36LloreanThough they really don't have to do it until 11:59 PM their time
06:15:53sslashesJerryLange: the idea is to be able to customize all screens of the UI (not just the playing screen) - additionally, pixel based positioning is desirable since it would allow fot font family/size changing w/o unalining it with the background image
06:16:06sslashesi would also like to speed up ui reponse =)
06:16:18JerryLangeso this is something totaly different?
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06:16:55sslashesi'm not sure that is completely decided - i would like to find a way (somehow) to allow backwards compatability to an extent
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06:17:02sslashesbut the scheme would be very new
06:17:28sslashesi have not talked to many people besides Llorean about this
06:17:43JerryLangethe one thing i dont like about the themes now is when you delete a theme (theme.cfg) to remove it it really is still on your player (theme folder and backrounds)
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06:18:36sslashesJerryLange: that comes down to how the folders are structured - there are now three ideas on the wiki
06:18:40sslashesfeel free to add an idea
06:18:47JerryLangeyeah im looking at it
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06:21:15LloreanCompiled themes (such as .theme files) might be workable so long as a "Theme" menu category allowed you to "Load WPS" or "Load Menu Backdrop", where you picked a .theme, and it just used that aspect of it.
06:23:07sslashesLlorean: what do you think of Rockbox itself compiling the theme using a JIT compiler the first time it is loaded and saving that in a "compiled" folder?
06:24:16Lloreansslashes: My preference was actually for it only saving a temporary compiled one, the "current theme", and using a JIT compile when themes were changed. That way theme loading on later boots is faster, but you don't get a bunch of compiled files for various themes (or combinations of theme parts)
06:25:14sslashesLlorean: fair enough - that actually sounds like a good idea
06:25:33sslashes(the actually was not meant to imply that good ideas do not normally come from you =)
06:25:41LloreanHehehe, I figured. :)
06:27:11sslasheswhat enviornment do most devs use for rockbox source?
06:27:27scorchedo you mean ide, or actual environment?
06:28:37LloreanFor the about 20 lines of code I've contributed, I've used ConTEXT. ;)
06:29:02scorchei have heard some use eclipse, and some use kate
06:29:14scorchebut it seems that most use an editor liek emacs, vi, etc
06:29:30JerryLangeLlorean: didnt you do the left to wps patch?
06:29:35LloreanJerryLange: Nope
06:29:40LloreanIn fact, I'm firmly against it.
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06:30:07JerryLangehmm I wonder why I thought you did. :S
06:30:30sslashesLlorean: who would be the people most influencial in regards to my proposal?
06:31:29Lloreansslashes: The europoeans. Bagder, Amiconn... maybe Nico_P since he's been doing a lot of WPS-related work.
06:31:39LloreanJerryLange: People seem to think I've done a lot more than I have.
06:34:42JerryLangeI would imagine you have to be a developer to go to the devcon meeting?
06:35:00LloreanIt's mainly intended for developers
06:35:53LloreanLast year a lot of work toward the 3.0 release (that kinda fell apart several months down the line) happened during it.
06:36:13JerryLangeI think itd be cool to listen to what they all have to say.
06:36:28scorcheactually, wasnt the feature freeze decided to happen there?
06:36:34LloreanI wish I could go, but I just don't really have enough money to spare.
06:36:47Lloreanscorche: I believe the list of objectives for the feature freeze was decided there.
06:36:50scorchei would love to go to sweden, and this is a good excuse
06:37:11LloreanWell, I hear that we might be discussing another release attempt, and I have a lot to say on that matter. ;)
06:37:20LloreanAnd I wouldn't mind trying my hand at release-coordinator.
06:37:55scorchewell, if i magically somehow scrounge up the money to go, i can be your mouthpiece ;)
06:38:01scorche(and maybe bring back a shirt)
06:38:23JerryLangei see that rockbox has pretty much started on 3.1 now. most of the stuff in 3.0 is done except a couple things.
06:38:23scorchei saw it a much cheaper if i take a flight to, say, NY and then go from there, but it is still pricey
06:38:29sslashesi am heading to europe this summer (July) - i wish it was later ;P
06:38:57LloreanJerryLange: Yeah, and if those 3.0 things get finished, we can slap a 3.0 number on a build and call it a day. :)
06:39:29JerryLangeThat would be awesome
06:39:46LloreanBut really, new objectives are likely to be set for a 3.0 release anyway.
06:39:54LloreanNot necessarily making it harder to achieve, mind you
06:40:00LloreanBut new bugs and such have cropped up
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06:40:47LloreanIt's also likely that a 3.0 release will have less "features" than the current build. Things like the AAC codec, which is quite below the standards set by the other codecs, could very well not be included since they aren't release-ready, I think.
06:41:47JerryLangeThe one thing im waiting for is the Light versions (strippeddown themes and other stuff)
06:42:02LloreanThere's unlikely to be a light version
06:42:06LloreanBesides, what would you strip out?
06:42:44LloreanWell yeah, but that's not a "light" version, that's a "I deleted my plugins folder" version.
06:42:50LloreanIt's not any lighter, really
06:43:21JerryLangewps font and themes
06:43:34LloreanAgain those are all just files you can delete.
06:43:47JerryLangei usually remove them myself before i install them but its just one less thing i have to do :)
06:43:48LloreanAll it'd really do is save you a few hundred kilobytes of disk space.
06:43:59LloreanAnd we don't include _any_ fonts as it is.
06:44:19scorcheLlorean: that is just the first that pops to mind when someone says remove
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06:45:07LloreanI just think of a "light" build as a functionally reduced one, since the disk space impact of removing most of those things is incredibly minimal on anything we support just about
06:45:30scorchei think the same, but like i said...first thing ;)
06:45:43scorchepersonally, i guess i already ahve a "light version" with tagcache
06:46:36cadui'm experiencing some battery draining thing here in my gigabeat
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06:46:58cadueven if i power it down, the battery seems to keep draining at a much higher rate than expected
06:47:35cadutoday i turned my player off at 48% charge, slept , ate, 7 hours later i turn it on , 20% battery remaining
06:47:39tdawgedogghey how do i get this 5g video ipod back into rockbox after i switched it back to reg firmware?
06:47:53sslashescadu: sure it is not a battery metering problem?
06:48:24sslashestdawgedogg: hardreset
06:48:26cadui've already played with the player in these conditions a few times and the battery got really drained
06:48:36tdawgedogghow do i do a hard reset?
06:48:48cadufeels like when i press power the player doesn't shuts off completely, instead something keeps on, draining battery slowly
06:49:14cadubtw , a bunch of times , when i press the ON button again, a screen (from the OF i think) appears , saying "Recharge Battery"
06:49:26Lloreancadu: It sounds like your battery is dying.
06:49:32Lloreancadu: I have no behaviour like this at all
06:49:34sslashesfirst result
06:50:09caduwhen that screen appears, the screen turns black again, and if i press ON again rockbox starts normally
06:50:32caduLlorean, i thought about this too, but it's improbable on a 3 week old player, that's why it got me thinking...
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06:51:10Lloreancadu: It's also improbably that Rockbox is working completely differently on your player than it does on anyone else's.
06:51:16Lloreancadu: Perhaps you should test the original firmware for a while
06:51:37LloreanAlso, remember, Lithium batteries performance is based on both their manufacture data and the conditions they have been stored in.
06:51:47LloreanA 3-week old player doesn't tell you anything about either of those.
06:52:00webguest35Are any of the new port proposals being considered for the SoC?
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06:52:18Lloreanwebguest35: Every application for the SoC has been considered.
06:52:24scorchewebguest35: all proposals are being considered...
06:53:05caduLlorean, manufacture data, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
06:53:06cadugot it
06:53:09caduthat could be it
06:53:38webguest35Is that the way of saying that you're not going to give out any detailed information? :)
06:53:44caduthis player is NEW, but manufactured like 1 year and half ago
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06:53:58sslashescadu: thats not abnormal
06:54:03tdawgedoggsslashes: whenever i charge my 5g ipod video via wall outlet it has to be turned whens its charging its on for like 6 hours. When I go to use it the battery is only 75% of the way charged cause the damn thing is on while its charging...Can i turn it off and charge it like the orginal ipod firmware? This is why i switch to the default ipod firm to charge it
06:54:04LloreanAnd the general "lifetime" of a Lithium battery is often considered to be ~2 years
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06:54:24caduas i said, japan is filled with 'recycle stores' which sell mostly used stuff, and new stuff returned from customers or bought cheap from stores that didn't sell everything.
06:54:27Lloreantdawgedogg: The original iPod firmware is on while it's charging too.
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06:54:49LloreanRockbox just uses more power, as everyone who's done some reading of the FAQs should know
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06:55:15Lloreanwebguest35: Yeah, public announcement will happen when things are finalized.
06:55:17tdawgedoggwell shit when its charging it should get full battery
06:55:19cadui got mine like, 3 weeks ago from one of those recycle stores, it was marked as 'new' (and japanese businessmen are trustable), but it must have stayed there for a year , doing nothing on the shelf
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06:55:24sslashestdawgedogg: the orgional disk mode firmware is loaded durring charge
06:55:39Lloreansslashes: Not from a wall adapter
06:55:46Lloreantdawgedogg: Mine charges to full just fine.
06:55:48caduis there some place that sells battery replacements for toshibas ?
06:55:57scorcheLlorean: i seem to remember something about 400 cycles..
06:55:57Lloreantdawgedogg: But if you know how to solve the power consumption problem, we'd love to hear it.
06:55:58webguest35Llorean: okay, thanks
06:55:59tdawgedoggits a wall adapter with a old firewire cable
06:55:59sslashesLlorean: good point
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06:56:40lachlan-mcLlorean: What size (inches) is the hardrive in the Gigabeat f10?
06:56:45tdawgedoggo shit and when i connect it to my car usb it cycles on and off on and off and i cant charge it while listening....well i cant even charge it i dont think
06:56:55Lloreanlachlan-mc: I believe they're 1.85" drives.
06:56:58tdawgedoggi read something about holding the menu button when i plug the usb cable in
06:57:04JerryLangewhen you charge your ipod when its "on" and then you unplug it does it turn on by itself?
06:57:05Lloreantdawgedogg: Yes, do that
06:57:28lachlan-mcLlorean: Would it be possible to transplant an 80Gb drive into an f10?
06:57:38Lloreanscorche: I thought they were more like 1200, but I don't really know. Charge cycles aren't really as important as the heat generated while charging, I believe.
06:57:45Lloreanlachlan-mc: No
06:57:55JerryLangetoo bad it cant be like my cell phone. plug it in when its dead or off and it turns half way on just to change and when you unplug it it turns itself off
06:58:00Lloreanlachlan-mc: Anything 20gb or less is a single platter, the 40 and 60 are dual platter, a bit thicker case to fit a thicker drive
06:58:03tdawgedoggok let me go out to my car and try it right now...brb in a bit guys
06:58:19Lloreanscorche: Hey, wikipedia says 1200 on li-ion!
06:58:28caduLlorean, when it's fully charged, it really lasts for about 14 hours (the same as another f20 in the battery tests), but turn it off and let it there for 5 hours and i lose like 15% battery :(
06:58:31scorcheheh...alright =)
06:58:31lachlan-mcLlorean: So it would be possible to put an 80GB harddrive in an f40 then?
06:58:43Lloreancadu: Do you live someplace warm/hot?
06:58:56Lloreanlachlan-mc: Should be, so long as you find a compatible hard drive (right connector)
06:59:38caduno, always fair
06:59:53cadulike now....approx. 15C
07:00:01lachlan-mcLlorean: I'm guessing the drive out of an 80GB iPod wouldn't work?
07:00:10Lloreancadu: Then as I suggested, try the original firmware for a bit to see if it shows the same symptoms
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07:00:22Lloreanlachlan-mc: Probably not, no.
07:00:46caduLlorean, will try, (fear) didn't even use it ahahahah
07:00:52LloreanI don't know which sort of connector the Gigabeat drive has, but I *think* it's not the ZIF connectors the iPods use
07:01:04cadugot the player, so happy that now i have a rockbox target, just rockboxed it :P
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07:01:58lachlan-mcLlorean: Do the F or X series of Gigabeats come in a 60GB variety, or is that only the S series?
07:02:31LloreanF does for sure
07:02:34LloreanI'm not sure about X
07:02:39Lloreani believe it does as well.
07:03:06caduLlorean, btw, do you know something about battery replacements for these beasts ? :)
07:03:11caduor 'hacked' ones :)
07:03:36cadulike metal bubblegum case + AA + 5v converter + plug or something like that
07:03:51LloreanUnfortunately, no I do not.
07:03:52lachlan-mc I've been looking out for Gigabeats for ages now and never seen an f60. Is there anyway to get them besides eBay?
07:04:01Lloreanlachlan-mc: I don't believe so
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07:08:28Johtaja_Any1 know how i could change the sensetivity of the wheel in rockbox?
07:08:45LloreanYou can't.
07:08:54Johtaja_Why not?
07:09:03LloreanBecause nobody has programmed that yet.
07:09:07LloreanFeel free to submit a patch if you'd like to
07:09:17Johtaja_ill try.
07:09:35caduLlorean, btw i'm progressing on the pt-br translation, when it's done, where can i send it in ?
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07:09:58LloreanAnyway, translations should be posted to flyspray under the category "patches"
07:10:10LloreanThough in the case of languages and translations they don't need to actually be in .diff/.patch format
07:10:24cadui'll just send the file in, yeah
07:10:30caduas it can be updated thru genlang, right ?
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07:10:51LloreanI'm really not too familiar with how the lang system works, honestly.
07:11:17LloreanUnfortunately, English is my native language so I haven't really played with it.
07:11:56LloreanAnd my Spanish and Indonesian skills are too below the level necessary to help with translation efforts.
07:12:36cadui prefer using english too (second language and works wonders), also the multitude of buzzwords/technical terms makes it harder to translate to portuguese/whatever accordingly
07:12:58caduso if you understand english well, and feel comfortable reading it, i advise you to stay with it.
07:13:06scorchethe english lang file should basically be used as the base for all translations
07:13:25LloreanYeah, that's usually the big hurdle, how to properly fit a technical term into a language that doesn't have a perfect match.
07:13:34caduone thing i noted is that my portuguese-brazil translation strings are WAY longer than the original
07:13:45cadui need to -briefly- explain it
07:14:02caduwhile avoiding tempting english words
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07:14:06Johtaja_Is there anyway to change the size of the font?
07:14:15cadulike 'Precut' which i just translated to 'Pré-Corte' :P
07:14:17LloreanJohtaja_: Just pick another font that's at a different size
07:16:52Johtaja_Where can i change the font?
07:17:03LloreanJohtaja_: I suggest you read the manual some.
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07:23:09Johtaja_So i have to modify my theme file.
07:23:50LloreanOr use the "Browse Fonts" option, though it may break how your theme looks
07:26:17Johtaja_Damn rockbox is sweet :)
07:27:10Mouser_XThis is true.
07:27:36Mouser_XRockbox + Gigabeat (I don't know what you have) = spectacular.
07:27:50Johtaja_Sansa e270
07:28:00Mouser_XOh, I've heard those are really nice too.
07:29:54LloreanThe Sansa e200 series has a little way to go yet, but it's definitely got some potential
07:30:22Johtaja_Who is working on it?
07:30:27tdawgedoggso its not bad for my ipod video 5g to be on while its charging for like 8-10 hours at a time?
07:30:45Lloreantdawgedogg: As I said, technically speaking the Apple firmware is on too.
07:30:48tdawgedoggi would think that would wear it out or something
07:31:22LloreanThe only parts of your iPod that can really get worn out are the drive and the battery
07:31:29LloreanThe drive isn't doing anything, and the battery is of course charging.
07:31:31Johtaja_So, on the e270 the original firmware does this very long sequence called refresh database, how could i override it?
07:31:48tdawgedoggok ok awesome thank you man
07:32:11LloreanJohtaja_: You can't really override it, though our bootloader tries to set a flag that tells it that it doesn't need to refresh. This doesn't seem to work consistently yet
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08:05:25amiconnHmm, anyone around who is familiar with the wps magic?
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08:28:43bennyhinnive successfully installed rockbox onto my gigabeat, now how do i change it so its more plesant to look at
08:29:35GodEater_bennyhinn: download and install a WPS for it
08:29:56Johtaja_to install a wps just unzip it into your root directory
08:30:06Johtaja_rockbox will do the rest :)
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08:31:11Mouser_Xbennyhinn: What Johtaja said isn't completely true.
08:31:34Mouser_XIt *should* be, but people don't always ZIP up their stuff properly.
08:31:54Mouser_XSo, open the ZIP/RAR/whatever first, and see what it says.
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09:10:48bennyhinnMouser_X is that so
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09:12:16Mouser_XIf the first thing you see in the ZIP/file is ".rockbox" as a directory, then you should be good to go.
09:12:34Mouser_XIf that's not the first thing, then you'll need to figure out what's what, and where it goes.
09:12:59Mouser_X(".rockbox" without the " marks)
09:14:05pussyanyone fixed the doom2
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09:16:31tucozbennyhinn: have you installed the font package?
09:16:47Mouser_XOh, hmmm. Good point.
09:17:37pussywhat font package
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09:18:21tucozpussy: it's on the downloads page
09:18:43tucozit's a separate download, as the fonts do not get updated that often
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09:26:21tucozyou'll find it from the extras link under downloads in the menu on
09:28:22tucozand be sure to check out for additional themes. Just check that the theme you are going to install does not require some custom patches.
09:28:47tucozi.e. Min Version should state 'Any Recent daily build'
09:29:54tucoz(unless you run a patched rockbox that is)
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09:30:39markunpussy: don
09:30:52markunpussy: don't think anyone is working on doom
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09:31:29bennyhinnjeez thats complex
09:31:34bennyhinni just want it so it doesnt look so crap
09:31:42bennyhinncause at the moment i can barely read the writing
09:31:52tucozbennyhinn: download the font package then
09:32:02Bagder_bennyhinn: then get the fonts and use a theme that comes bundled
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09:32:40tucozit's a simple download-unzip operation to install the fonts
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09:36:18pussycan u tell me the direct link to see the 8 plugins
09:36:40B4gder8 plugins?
09:36:51pussyyea the site that shows the games
09:36:55tucozthe manual i guess
09:36:57tucozchapter 8
09:36:58pussythe controllers
09:37:05tucozpussy: what player?
09:37:20pussyiupod video
09:37:54pussy this is way better
09:38:40tucozi thought you wanted the plugin chapter
09:40:41pussyhey when i watch a video off the rockbox how do i fast forward
09:41:48tucozi am not sure, but i do not think that is possible (yet)
09:42:13pussyhuh ... u can't FF or rew yet?
09:42:29markunpussy: that's right
09:43:26markunso you have to watch start wars in 1 go :)
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09:44:39pussyimagine how we are gonna watch porn like
09:45:06B4gderfeel free to improve the mpeg player
09:45:16pussybut how
09:45:28tucozimplement the ff and rew feature
09:45:29B4gdermodify the source code
09:46:08pussyok what do i type?
09:46:09markunpussy: or wait for linuxstb to do it
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09:46:24markunpussy: programming code written in C
09:46:45tucozpussy: if we new what to type, it would be there already. it requires time, skill and a lot of testing
09:47:04markunyes, accurate seeking will be tricky
09:47:14markunat least with some files
09:47:23pussyok for the roms .. gameboy roms it doesn't work for me any ideas y?
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09:47:35pussyand where should the roms be dumped
09:47:43tucozonly gameboy and gameboy color roms work
09:47:54markundoesn't matter where you put them
09:48:14markunpussy: you clicked on a rom and nothing happened?
09:49:38pussyfirst of all i got a rar file given by a friend
09:50:02pussyand when i clicked on the game its all messed up (full of text files
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09:51:24tucozpussy: simply copy a .gb or .gbc file to you ipod, and start it in rockbox exactly like you would play a mp3
09:53:42pussyi'll test now
09:54:35bennyhinnjeez the font is small
09:55:04pussytucoz: the game size is amll as a rat
09:55:48B4gderis it all-whining day today?
09:55:56tucozhehe. guess so
09:57:53aliaskbennyhinn: Then change it.
09:58:02tucozbennyhinn: the font will stay small until you install the font package and select another one
09:59:20pussywhere do we get the games
09:59:36tucozwhat games?
10:00:06tucozrockbox games are included in the zip you downloaded when you installed rockbox
10:00:14tucozfor gb, use google
10:03:18pussylol all is french
10:03:29Guileyou can increase the font size without getting other fonts I think, on my ipod 5.5 it's possible
10:03:45Guilefrench is great =)
10:04:16B4gderno you can't the only way to change size is to pick a different font
10:05:12pussytucoz: heydo u have any direct links for the roms u use
10:05:34GuileI remember a "changing font size" function on my ipod
10:05:37tucozpussy: no. i do not use any roms. but i am sure you can use google
10:05:43B4gderGuile: this is rockbox...
10:06:03Guileyes, with rockbox
10:06:12B4gderthen look again, there is no such option
10:06:14B4gderthe fonts are bitmapped
10:06:20B4gderthey can't be resized
10:06:37B4gderwell, they can, but not very nicely
10:07:10Guileanyway now I use the magnificent ubuntu wps =)
10:12:56bluebrotherif the fonts are tiny it's not the fonts. It's the display being too high resolution ;-)
10:13:10bluebrothermorning tucoz :)
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10:15:04markunjust changed the mpegplayer to display non 16x16 sized movies
10:15:44markunfor my 320x136 star wars version :)
10:17:03markunlet me know if I broke any videos by accident
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10:20:13pussyanyone uses gbc roms?
10:24:42tucozmorning bluebrother
10:24:59tucozpussy: enter the words gameboy and roms in google
10:31:04markunpussy: I've used some
10:31:16pussyok thx ... i found a workin 1
10:31:46pussywhat does [u] or [c] mean?
10:31:52pussyon the roms
10:32:49pussycan i rename the roms(will anything happen?
10:33:02bluebrotherit will explode ;-)
10:33:09bluebrotherno, it's just a filename
10:33:29bluebrotherwhy don't you just try it yourself? It won't damage your player, so it's safe.
10:34:27tucozpussy: the only thing that matters is the file extension (.gb or .gbc)
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10:35:24markunhi Siltaar
10:35:30Siltaarhello markun
10:36:39SiltaarAm I needed for something ?
10:37:01markunnot really
10:37:27Siltaarouf ^_^
10:37:50pussyok thx
10:38:29bennyhinncan someone here help me out lol, i obviously want to change the look of my rock box, but i only just installed it, and i gather u need a number of files that all go to a different spot
10:38:35bennyhinnim seriously square one here
10:38:52bennyhinni do have a sound backing in computing however
10:39:07B4gderso what's wrong with all the help you've got so far?
10:39:54Siltaarwhat about Settings/List of themes ?
10:40:47scorchebennyhinn: you were told about the fonts and told about the themes/wps...what help is there left to give?
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10:42:59scorchea shame that the 500 per student will come after devcon...less beer for poor Preglow
10:45:06markunbennyhinn: besides the good looks (ahem..) rockbox also is a very good music player!
10:45:23cropHi, I have two questions: a. where are comments for a function best placed −− in .c or in .h? And b. Why are there so little comments in RB code? As an open source project it should have much more IMHO since there are many new developers.
10:45:49markuncrop: place them in the c file I would say
10:46:05B4gderyes, everone should spend lots of more time on Rockbox!
10:46:09B4gderI demand it!
10:46:32*scorche grovels
10:46:38*bluebrother fears of B4gder demanding time and goes hiding
10:46:51markuncrop: maybe you can add some comments while you are trying to understand the code
10:46:56markunsome more would be nice indeed
10:47:03*scorche wishes this B4gder would go away and the non-leet one would return
10:47:35cropmarkun: yes. I rarely see a function with an explanation what it does and what the params mean.
10:47:58bluebrotherplacing comments in header files doesn't make too much sense imo −− you usually edit the c file anyway ...
10:48:13*bluebrother would like to see the code commented doxygen-style
10:48:16roolkuZagor: if you have a few minutes, could you enable the editing of commit messages in svn? currently it says: "Repository has not been enabled to accept revision propchanges; ask the administrator to create pre-revprop-change hook" Cheers
10:48:49markunbluebrother: ok, your job application has been accepted :)
10:48:59cropbluebrother: hi, I've found the recording settings. I missed them because in the General settings, there is a sequence of "xxx settings" followed by "browse themes", and then comes "recording settings". My sweep stopped at "browse themes", I assumed there will be no "xxx settings" anymore
10:49:33bluebrothercrop: I found this sorting to be a bit strange a couple of times myself
10:49:41Zagorroolku: has this been discussed? could message editing open us up for vandalism if one committer goes rogue (or has hacked)?
10:49:49bluebrotherespecially when switching from the h120 to the ipod mini
10:50:24cropbluebrother: but placing the comments into .h has the advantage that you can quickly have an overview of all funcs. But OTOH you are right, this is better done with a tool
10:51:08Siltaarcrop I'm supporting .h placing comment idea
10:51:12cropbluebrother: shouldn't it be changed then?
10:51:29roolkuZagor: we had this with cvs and there was general disbelief when I said one couldn't do it with svn
10:51:40bluebrothercrop: IMO comments should be in the source files and some tool should generate that overview documentation. I find doxygen really great for this.
10:51:46roolkuZagor: it would be enough to be able to edit your own ?
10:51:47cropSiltaar: but commenting .c is better because then the comments are where code is
10:51:58bennyhinni know its a very good looking player but at the moment i cannot see that cause i just installed it and it looks like, worse that crap
10:52:04bennyhinnbut i know it can look better...
10:52:04Zagorroolku: we could edit messages in cvs? I didn't know that...
10:52:08bluebrotherhaven't used it on projects as large Rockbox, but ...
10:52:09SiltaarI found cool to have one comment for the purpose of each function in .h, and only needed comments in body of function in .c
10:52:26bluebrothermarkun: if you provide the time ;-)
10:52:33cropSo the rule is that comments should be where the commented stuff is. I.e. structs are commented in .h while func are commented in .c?
10:53:06roolkuZagor: yes, a few meaningless ones have been corrected after critisism on irc :)
10:53:06bluebrotherI do it that way. But afaik there is no general comment rule
10:53:12bluebrother(for Rockbox that is)
10:53:36bluebrothermaybe we should create one. Force all to use doxygen comments! ;-)
10:53:41Zagorroolku: yeah, if we can restrict editing to your own commits I would agree it's harmless. I haven't looked into that part of svn configuration, perhaps you already have?
10:54:22roolkuZagor: unfortunately no - only on the client side
10:55:16Zagorroolku: ok. i'll take a look then.
10:55:35roolkuZagor: thank you
10:55:36cropbluebrother: the fact that the comments are present (and are meaningful) would be a huge step forward. The style is not that important IMHO
10:56:11bluebrothercrop: sure, but having all comments in some style that allows automatic extraction would be nice too.
10:56:23bluebrotherso if adding comments, why not do it "right" the first time?
10:56:31*amiconn thinks doxygen-style comments have a negative effect on code readability
10:56:33bluebrotherwe only need to agree about "right"
10:56:45bluebrotheramiconn: why?
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10:57:09bluebrotherin most cases it's just a comment block in front of every function.
10:57:20amiconnIt's a weird format for humans....
10:57:34bluebrotherit's really nice once you got used to it.
10:57:37amiconnAnd I'd rather stuff away the function comments in .h files
10:58:10B4gderfor "public" functions it fits in the .h file, but for local functions there's no place for them in the .h
10:58:21*amiconn prefers to have only a few comments in .c files. Too many of them make it harder to read and understand the code imho
10:58:51B4gderI don't think that's related to the amount of comments, but rather the quality of them
10:59:08*bluebrother agrees on this.
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10:59:38bluebrotherI've seen function comments using like 10+ lines with information that fitted on 2 lines
10:59:42amiconnIt's also the pure amount of comment. If I have to scroll over half a page of comments between every 2 functions it makes it hard to spot the functions itself
10:59:45bluebrother(outside of Rockbox ;-)
10:59:59Siltaarsuch a debate would have its place in a static forum isn't it ?
11:00:03amiconnEspecially if the functions itself are short
11:00:13B4gdera static forum?
11:00:14*bluebrother whisperes about syntax hilighting and code folding
11:00:22Siltaara forum
11:00:30amiconnI do use syntax highlighting
11:00:38B4gderwe don't have many devs reading any "forum"
11:00:41amiconnBut no folding, because that irritates me
11:01:03*amiconn would need an editor that can fold away comment-only lines perhaps
11:01:14Siltaarin order to extract and keep a consensus
11:01:25B4gderamiconn: I bet you can make emacs do that ;-)
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11:01:40bluebrotherhilight comments with the background color?
11:01:48markunSiltaar: don't think we need to have any formal voting for that
11:01:58amiconnThat would still make them take up their space
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11:03:17bennyhinnerm so no one wants 2 help me out
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11:03:33cropamiconn: sometimes a very short function needs a lot of explanation. But yes, it's all about the comments quality, not just amount
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11:04:42B4gderbennyhinn: almost every one already has but you don't answer us
11:05:16cropE.g. the function set_backlight_timeout(int) needs a comment about what the param is. I'd suggest that it's the time (what unit?) but no, it's an index in an array of predefined values. Weird!
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11:06:10bluebrotherthat's where I like doxygen comments: @param time index to array of predefined timeout values
11:06:38bluebrotherno idea how to make this shorter and better without that style (except my wording maybe ;-)
11:09:56tucozB4gder: is it possible to fold code with emacs?
11:10:32bluebrothertucoz: it's possible with vim, so emacs needs to suppport that ;-)
11:11:03tucozhehe. let me google and find out
11:11:18GodEater_tucoz: yes I think it's possible in emacs, I'm almost certain c-mode already supports it
11:12:14tucozlooks like it is possible. the question is how :)
11:12:56*tucoz has lots of stuff to learn in emacs
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11:31:17JdGordonhey all
11:31:24JdGordondid I miss anything interesting the last 2 days?
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11:34:22Guileyes, the hi speed french train broke a speed record yesterday
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11:40:46SproxyIs rockbox a OS or is it a module for ipodlinux?
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11:43:03safetydanSproxy it's its own OS
11:43:43bennyhinnokay tucoz - could you tell me what theme ur using
11:45:39B4gdertucoz: there's for example a quite advanced hide-ifdef-mode that uses folding
11:45:53B4gderdepending on what defines you set
11:50:17Sproxyis it working on the 4G
11:50:34safetydanSproxy, yes
11:51:30Sproxyis it better then the apple ipod os?
11:52:02safetydanSproxy, apart from battery life and no DRM file support I'd say yes.
11:52:15crop It depends on what you like. Those who use RB do like it (RB)
11:53:47JdGordonFARK! apparently the go_to_previous loops arent completyl removed :'(
11:54:35crop Have a bug?
11:55:33tucozbennyhinn: i use a h120 (gray), so i guess you could get some prettier themes for your player
11:56:25tucozB4gder: cool. i found a page on the emacs wiki explaining what to do. never even thought that it was possible.
11:56:59B4gderI never got into that, I'm not really a friend of folding source code
11:57:32tucozmaybe not in c, but for other languages structured in a different way it is usefull. like java
11:58:07scorchetucoz: we dont appreciate that kind of vulgarity in here
11:58:10tucozs/it is/could be/ ;)
11:58:13tucozhehe, sorry
11:58:45B4gderI stick to C .-)
11:59:17safetydannothing wrong with Java. It certainly pays my bills :)
11:59:38scorcheaye...i couldnt get up without coffee
11:59:41B4gderjava scares me so much I run away if it comes near me
12:00:09*tucoz throws a JVM B4gder's way
12:00:14safetydanWhat's to be scared of? It's just a harmless little "C++ lite" language :)
12:00:29B4gderyeah, the language itself is pretty harmless I agree
12:00:47B4gderI just don't like the layers of layers of layers of goo that comes with it
12:00:50scorchepublic class nuisance {
12:01:14B4gdernow I'll go poke in some bare metal instead
12:01:42*safetydan goes back to pretending he knows anything about optimising C code...
12:01:43bennyhinnim not looking for pretty, im just lookin for practical!! the one im usin atm is far from practical, its the basic one actually
12:02:10tucozbennyhinn: gigabeat?
12:02:23scorchebennyhinn: seriously...what else do you want from us?...we have told you everything, and yet you choose to ignore us
12:03:00tucozbennyhinn: use the settings menu and select a different theme
12:03:10cropJdGordon: what's the bug?
12:06:02markunbennyhinn: my advice would be to use rockbox for a while, try to find answers on your own and ask questions again after a few days
12:06:06cropHrm... Then I'm wise in never using WPS as the start screen! :-)
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12:12:34Siltaar16 716 329
12:12:41Siltaarit's not my phone number
12:13:08Siltaarit should be the number of line of every files of my rockbox folder
12:13:23bennyhinngigabeat yeah
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12:13:37bennyhinnscorche, if your not gonna help, i suggest just go bak to bein idle
12:13:47JdGordondaurnimator: you got a usb cdrom i can borrow?
12:13:56bennyhinni dont have a few days i just wanna get this done
12:13:57Siltaarbut I listed my build directory too...
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12:14:20markunbennyhinn: then maybe you are better of with the original firmware..
12:14:45tucozbennyhinn: then follow our advise. 1) download font package, 2) select different theme from the menu (they come bundled with rockbox)
12:14:47markundid you check the manual?
12:15:03daurnimatorJdGordon: yes
12:15:10daurnimatorJdGordon: why
12:15:25bennyhinnthats it just download a font package? i dont need to worry about themes
12:15:28tucozbennyhinn: 3) play around with the menus, see what happens, consult the manual
12:15:41tucozbennyhinn: download it and unzip it to your player
12:15:46JdGordondaurnimator: I need to reinstall and i tinhk this cdrom is fubar :'(
12:15:50JdGordonfor my lappy...
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12:16:09bennyhinnthat page shows something what i want my box too look like
12:16:12tucozbennyhinn: a couple of themes come bundled with rockbox, but you need the fontpackage for them to work properly
12:16:40bennyhinnyoud think changing the skin would be the easy park and the instillation be the difficult, its the other way around
12:16:44markunbennyhinn: go and read the manual man, you are wearing us down..
12:16:50bennyhinnwait a minute
12:17:03bennyhinnno i dont want to stuf it up and theres like 3 different areas i need to download and change
12:17:13tucozbennyhinn: how can you say its hard when you haven't even tried. it IS dead easy
12:17:25B4gderbennyhinn: stop being an ass, go read the manual and come back in two hours with specific questions
12:17:25bennyhinnmarkun, if your not gonna help, go talk in a different channel, this channel is entitled rockbox for a reason! its not titled 'chatters4fun'
12:17:40bennyhinnbecause i have tried!
12:17:41tucozplease stop bennyhinn
12:17:48markunbennyhinn: hey, without me you wouldn't even be able to run rockbox on your Gigabeat
12:17:51bennyhinnoh come on tucoz your my last hope
12:18:08tucozbennyhinn: i've told you what to do
12:18:08bennyhinnreally markun? i do remember using the manual to instal it
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12:18:38markunbennyhinn: I started the Gigabeat port
12:19:11tucozbennyhinn: download this and unzip to your player:
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12:20:10bennyhinnnow were gettin somewhere
12:20:24B4gderwe told you this several hours ago
12:20:33tucozand probably several times as well
12:20:34bennyhinncopy and paste it IF YOU DID
12:20:47bennyhinnsoz caps
12:20:49bennyhinnyou mean the link?
12:21:06markun09:16 < tucoz> bennyhinn: have you installed the font package?
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12:22:11markun09:26 < tucoz> you'll find it from the extras link under downloads in the menu on
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12:22:43markun(it's 12:22 here now)
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12:23:27bennyhinni dont see the link there
12:23:39markunI see them clearly
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12:23:42bennyhinnis uninstalling rockbox or reverting bak to the original firmware easy to do?
12:24:17bennyhinnalright lets try this baby out
12:24:43markunif you have a backup of the original GBSYSTEM/FWIMG/FWIMG01.DAT file just copy it back and reboot
12:25:04tucozmarkun: you are opening a can of worms...
12:25:36markuntucoz: maybe I should just use the /ignore features instead of getting more pissed off
12:25:44tucozme too
12:25:47SiltaarI think so
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12:26:15Siltaarwe are just annoyed by an anonymous inconpetent
12:26:19markunbut then I can't help looking at the logs for anything I might have missed :)
12:26:46tucozhehe. damn logs
12:27:14markunlinuxstb: Was there a reason we didn't allow for non-16x16 resolutions in mpegplayer before?
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12:27:36Siltaara CS reflex : /vote benny-machin RTFM
12:28:09jmspeexamiconn: Do you have any reference for the "+r" assembly constraint syntax (re the Speex patch)?
12:28:13markunSiltaar: I have no idea what you are talking about :)
12:28:25linuxstbmarkun: No.
12:28:54safetydanjmspeex: are you after more information than what's here?
12:28:55Siltaarmarkun a voting system to exclude annoyers from online computer games, Counter-Strike for instance...
12:29:58bennyhinnjust cause i dont have extensive knowledge in C++ and java programing, doesnt mean im an incompetent ass, im a newb alright! compared to u guys that is
12:30:23markunbennyhinn: don't worry, we will not ask you to do any programming
12:30:47markunjust a little more respect maybe
12:31:08bennyhinnim tryin to i asked nicely the first 3 times and i was completely ignored, and those were *the very first time*
12:31:09Siltaaryou clam for links that are possible to find in the web site, it's not a programming feature
12:31:16jmspeexsafetydan: well, I'm also trying to figure out what's the difference between using + and using separate input and output constrained to the same register.
12:31:25tucozbennyhinn: you ask for help, and we tell you what to do, but then you tell us that we haven't helped you. that is a bit annoying
12:31:26bennyhinni dont expect any respect, but when i dont get a response after several hours of patience, i start to get impatient
12:31:38linuxstbbennyhinn: Read the IRC logs here - you weren't ignored.
12:31:41B4gderbennyhinn: YOU GOT MULTIPLE
12:31:48markunbennyhinn: well, it didn't look to me like you were being ignored, that's why we were getting tired of you asking the same questions over and over again
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12:32:25bennyhinni was gettin tired myself constantly asking!
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12:32:49markunbennyhinn: try this:
12:32:55bennyhinnlisten markun its easy for u to call me competent, you bloody invented rockbox and designed and created it!
12:33:06bennyhinnim sure if it came to say something like riding a motorbike you would be askin me for help
12:33:08Siltaarsorry, I did
12:33:28amiconnjmspeex: One difference is that using separate input and output constraints with references generates warnings on gcc 3.4+, while combined in/out does not
12:33:29markunbennyhinn: I would never have called you competent :)
12:33:35Siltaarmarkun stayed calm...
12:33:42jmspeexsafetydan: Also, I didn't see "+" mentionned anywhere, so I was wondering if it was a new feature.
12:33:47amiconnAlso, the combined constraints are much more readable imho
12:34:17jmspeexamiconn: And you're sure you don't need to list it at all in the inputs, right?
12:34:41*jmspeex doesn't like applying patches without being able to even compile them...
12:34:41amiconnThe gcc manual says it all...
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12:35:36safetydanamiconn: I submitted your arm constraint changes to the speex list which is why jmspeex is here asking about them
12:35:37jmspeexI'll check again anyway.
12:35:49markunjmspeex: thanks for your fine codec btw!
12:36:09jmspeexI just wanted to be really sure it wouldn't break anything...
12:36:18jmspeexmarkun: you're welcome :-)
12:37:15safetydanjmspeex: while you're here, is stereo decoding something that will be supported by the fixed point decoder?
12:37:22jmspeexamiconn: So is Speex working fine on ARM?
12:37:28amiconnjmspeex: The '+' modifier exists at least since gcc 3.0 ...
12:37:42markunjmspeex: it's working fine on my ARM based player
12:38:06amiconnAnd I checked the generated assembly; the isnsn sequence is identical for '+' and for separate in/out with references
12:38:28amiconnJust that separate in/out with reference generates warnings, and '+' does not
12:39:15amiconn <= The respective section in the gcc 3.0.4 manual
12:39:22jmspeexamiconn: OK, I'll apply then.
12:39:40JdGordondoes anyone know if you can use a ide cdrom with those cheap usb>ide convertors?
12:42:35SoapJdGordon: i do
12:42:50Soapkeeps my hot burner out of my hot case.
12:42:51JdGordonthey work?
12:43:04JdGordongreat :) does it have to be set to master?
12:43:26Soapyes, I have two optical drives on two CompUSA branded cheap-o USB-PATA adapters.
12:43:30bennyhinnhebrew fonts? heh..
12:43:47SoapI don't know if they are set to master or not, actually. I assume they are.
12:44:26safetydanI know Rockbox has an arabjoin.c file, so do we have a font that supports Arabic letters?
12:45:24JdGordonunless unifont has them, I dont tihnk so
12:45:40JdGordonSoap: it works :) now to see if i can boot from it
12:45:51bennyhinnwhere do i put the fonts folder
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12:46:23Nico_Pbennyhinn: just unzip the archive to the root of your player
12:46:30Nico_Pthe fonts will go where they need to
12:46:35amiconnsafetydan: markun is Mr. Unicode
12:46:48bennyhinnokay done, woah therse so many, whats a good one, nice and big
12:46:49linuxstbbennyhinn: Inside the ".rockbox" folder - there should already be a fonts folder there. But as Nico_P said, the folder structure is stored inside the zip, so just extract the zip to your player.
12:48:00Nico_Pbennyhinn: for the gigabeat, you might want to try nimbus19
12:48:23Nico_Pbut you should have a look at the themes too
12:49:13bennyhinnah okay not bad not bad
12:49:20bennyhinntheres only 4
12:50:06Nico_Pbennyhinn: yes, the gigabeat is not very well equipped in themes. you can get new ones here :
12:51:14bennyhinnwhat would be a suggestable theme for the gigabeat
12:51:19bennyhinnin particular the F series
12:51:31bennyhinngotchya Nico_P :P
12:51:44bennyhinncan u get an iPod resembling theme?
12:51:46bennyhinnthat would be cool
12:52:01bennyhinnwow the choice here is amazing though
12:52:03safetydanmarkun, wow, there's a page for everything :)
12:52:19markunand if there isn't you can always make one yourself :)
12:52:38markunthat was for safetydan, but could also apply to bennyhinn's question :)
12:52:58bennyhinnhey this is easy, i think im gettin the hang of this
12:53:08tucozbennyhinn: nice
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12:54:21Nico_Pbennyhinn: makeing themes is quite easy too
12:56:01bennyhinnwhoooohooo got my theme on, and its a chicks but
12:57:33bennyhinnits gotta decode every image and you cant flip them?
12:57:39bennyhinni mean rotate
13:01:36Nico_Pbennyhinn: you mean in the JPEG viewer ?
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13:10:23bennyhinnomg this is so sik ive got it playing my songs now, aac 256 kb quality this is awesome the ONLY problem i have with it is that the menu system on the firmware is ugly but the player is awe inspring
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13:16:41bennyhinnno animated buttons?
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13:21:16bluebrotherbennyhinn: nooo.
13:21:21bluebrotherread the manual.
13:21:31bluebrotherit also doesn't cook coffee.
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13:35:02Nico_Pbluebrother: the manual needs a few words about cuesheet support... should I make a patch ?
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13:37:11bennyhinnhey the ipod theme is really cool
13:38:29bluebrotherNico_P: feel free to.
13:39:02bluebrotherthe manual needs quite a bit of work ... hopefully I find the time in a couple of weeks.
13:39:12Nico_Pbluebrother: I'll try but my latex skills are very limited
13:40:52bluebrotherthat's not a problem. I'll do the cleanup afterwards ;-)
13:45:01bennyhinnhow to: delete old themes
13:45:13Nico_Pbluebrother: make manual acts weird here
13:45:15bennyhinnbluebrother if you wrote the manual am i allowed to make some suggestions
13:45:33bluebrotherdelete the files that are part of the theme
13:45:34pondlifeZagor: did you see my e-mail (last week)?
13:46:07Zagorpondlife: yes I did. I haven't been able to look at it yet though.
13:46:13Zagor(i.e. the issue)
13:46:18pondlifeOK, no worries - just checking it's not in your spam bin
13:46:27bennyhinnand the rest of the files will delete automatically?
13:46:33bennyhinnwait a minute, i think my rockbox just froze
13:46:36pondlifeLinusN always spam bins my e-mails for some reason :)
13:46:41Nico_Pbennyhinn: no, you have to delete the files yourself
13:46:45bluebrother"the files" doesn't tell you to only delete one file
13:47:07bennyhinnoh i thought u mean that as in the 'themes' not the other stuf like fonts backgrounds etc
13:47:18bennyhinnjeez i couldnt do that cause i dunno which ones would be associated with which theme
13:47:41bluebrotheryou can always remove all themes and reinstall the ones you want to keep
13:47:52bennyhinnoh good it froze
13:48:56bennyhinnoh okay i didnt save the themes to my desktop
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13:52:44Nico_Pbennyhinn: or just remove the cfg files from the themes dir.
13:52:59bennyhinnwhy is it when you press files it takes ages for your album list to load, or is that just the gigabeat?
13:53:17B4gderenable dircache
13:53:17bluebrotherenable dircache
13:53:17bennyhinnNico_P:: doesnt that leave the other crap that came alone with the theme in the gigabeat
13:53:24GodEater_bennyhinn: turn on dircache
13:53:25bennyhinnenable dircache
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13:53:37bennyhinnand this would be under which menu again
13:53:43Nico_Pbennyhinn: it does
13:53:44B4gderread manual
13:53:58bluebrotheryou can even search the manual!
13:54:02bennyhinnu could just give me 1 word save me 10 minutes of searching through the bible of manuals
13:54:12B4gderbennyhinn: it doesn't save you anything
13:54:22B4gderyou'll just ask for more things that are also in the manual
13:54:29bluebrotherit's only one manual. Not bibles ...
13:54:39bennyhinnwoa this thing has games
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13:54:54bluebrotherit has even crashed!
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13:55:10Nico_Pbluebrother: I have trouble building the manual:
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13:55:33bluebrotherNico_P: you're running ubuntu?
13:55:42Nico_Psorry, yes :)
13:55:47bluebrotherah. The dash issue.
13:56:15GodEater_that's nice and cryptic
13:56:15bluebrotherapply the patch from first
13:56:47GodEater_ah, that sort of dash :)
13:56:48bluebrotherhaven't found for a better fix yet, but I'll fix that
13:56:55GodEater_I was thinking more hyphen :)
13:56:59bluebrotheryes, that not-bash thing
13:57:25Nico_Pbluebrother: thanks
13:59:12Nico_PI get the pdf file but there is an error. should I care ?
14:02:26bluebrotherdepends on the error.
14:02:43bluebrotherwhat does it say?
14:03:00GodEater_depends on if the pdf opens and contains what looks like a manual for rockbox I'd say
14:06:22Nico_Pbluebrother: /bin/sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
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14:07:39Nico_Pseems to be related to the previous issue
14:07:48Nico_Pit occurs just at the end of the output
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14:18:11fudgeyougosh i wish i could have someone here explain to me what stereo width means and why it isnt at 100% by default
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14:21:54fudgeyouoh okay i found it bluebrother page 22 of 141
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14:26:33fudgeyouyay works really well now hell yeah
14:26:40fudgeyoudoes ipod use directory chaching too?
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14:28:56bluebrotherNico_P: sounds like a problem with the makefile setup
14:29:09bluebrotherfudgeyou: you can use dircache. That's not related to ipods
14:29:51fudgeyouoh ok
14:30:01fudgeyoui guess ipods are fast since they use their own patented directory structure
14:30:18fudgeyouwhere songs are indexed in coding format
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14:31:55B4gderwe don't care much about original firmwares
14:31:56GodEater_er no
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14:35:44fudgeyouyeh but, i mean if you had some degree of interest in them you could 'take' something from them, not literally, but like yeah
14:36:19bluebrotherfudgeyou: no. Ipods use a standard FAT like all other players do
14:36:28B4gderthey don't have any such things you say
14:36:33bluebrotherthere is non patented directory structure.
14:37:22bluebrotherthat "indexing" of the songs is some database, and I assume this gets loaded to RAM all times (like the Rockbox database can do but is not required to)
14:38:01bluebrotherNico_P: that error could be cause by the copying of the resulting file or similar
14:39:24Nico_Pbluebrother: it doesn't prevent me from testing my changess I'm just ignoring it
14:39:25fudgeyouwhats faster having it loaded on ram or not
14:39:33fudgeyouits still a bit slow i think i didnt do it right
14:39:42bluebrotherRAM is faster but leaves less room for buffering the aurio
14:39:56fudgeyouwhy would one wish to buffer the audio
14:40:03bluebrotheryou always buffer the audio
14:40:11bluebrotherdo you want to have the disc spinning all the time?
14:40:12Nico_Pwhy isn't dircache enabled by default ?
14:40:31bluebrotherbecause it wastes precious buffer on the devices with small buffers
14:40:38bluebrotheri.e. archos devices.
14:40:52fudgeyoudo i want the disc spinning all the time? well this doesnt use a disc, its a no moving parts player
14:41:08B4gderfudgeyou: the ipod video without hdd?
14:41:09Nico_Pmaybe we should activate it by default on SWCODEC targets ?
14:41:12fudgeyouno this is relitively recent this would have a good buffer size
14:41:18bluebrotherbut I'd vote for shipping some sensible default configurations for the players instead
14:41:31fudgeyouits not an ipod video its a gigabeat, its a piece of shyte compared to the ivido
14:41:45B4gdergigabeat without hdd is about as rare
14:41:47bluebrotherthe ipod video has 32 / 64 MiB RAM for buffering the audio
14:42:07bluebrothersansa, ondio and nano are the only supported players without a hdd.
14:42:15bluebrotherunless you modded yours of course
14:42:21amiconndircache and database in ram isn't even compiled for archos
14:42:26B4gderand they use the buffer the same way the hdd based one does anyway
14:42:54bluebrotherit is not? Well, then we could enable it per default, right?
14:43:23amiconnBut as long as dircache is in the state it currently is, I'd vote against making it enabled by default even on big-ram targets
14:43:50bluebrotherwhat's the problem with dircache? I'm using it since it's included, and I haven't experienced any problems.
14:43:58fudgeyouthe firmware that came with the gigabeat was such a piece of shyte, even the latest update could only handle mp3, wav and wma, im sorry but aac is the way of the future, and players that can play any format are aswell
14:44:45B4gderfudgeyou: as I said, we don't care much for what the OF does or doesn't
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14:45:01amiconn(1) With really many files (e.g. hvsc; don't have that myself), it fails to go active, and re-scans on every boot in the foreground
14:45:22fudgeyoujust givin the run down
14:45:31amiconn(2) With fairly many files it works, but takes a while to scan (in the background). While it's doing that, shutdown doesn't work
14:45:52amiconnRockbox will force a shutdwon after 30 seconds or so, causing a nasty hdd click
14:46:34bluebrothernever experienced that myself, but it is indeed nasty.
14:47:18fudgeyouamiconn u a gigabeat user
14:47:30amiconnHappens all the time since I enabled dircache on my H180 for testing. Will probably disable it again because of that, and because it doesn't have a positive effect considering my usage patterns
14:48:37amiconnIt eats ram, uses up battery during it's scan on boot, certainly more than what I would use for browsing
14:48:52fudgeyouthe fact that rockbox can handle .aac files and the latest gigabeat firmware cant - thats whats got my stunned
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14:54:32Nico_Pbluebrother: I've added a bit of info abut cues. I think it's good to commit
14:54:44Nico_Pbluebrother: want to see the patch first ?
14:54:54bluebrotherwhy not?
14:55:43bluebrothercan you pastebin me a diff?
14:56:07Moosamiconn: do you think it's possible to make ircache scaning on background faster?
14:56:42Moosamiconn: I thought that Slasheri made the thing as fast as possible
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14:57:35bluebrotheryou can view a cuesheet? Wasn't aware of that.
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14:57:55bluebrotherotherwise the diff looks fine.
14:58:06Nico_Pbluebrother: yes, and if it's the one for the current track, you can skip in it with the viewer
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14:58:35Nico_PI also added pause on headphone unplug for the gigabeat
14:58:44directhex|workand it works well too
14:58:56bluebrotherok. Maybe I should create a cue sheet from one of my discs
14:59:04bluebrothernoticed that. nice.
14:59:13Nico_PI'll commit then
14:59:32directhex|workany ideas why occasionally my database gets re-committed? i'll start up my gigabeat, and it'll decide to give me an extra copy of my database, leading to multiple copies of every track
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15:08:14B4gderdirecthex|work: sounds like a bug to me
15:08:48directhex|workB4gder, the best kind - one that's hard to reproduce reliably!
15:08:53preglowFebs: reason i'm not signed up despite the very good agenda is that i already have plans for that weekend :/
15:08:55B4gderyeah :-/
15:09:48B4gderpreglow: don't worry, we'll increase the amount of beer until you bend!
15:10:53FebsIf it weren't for the fact that I have five shows to play that weekend, I would be there.
15:11:11preglowB4gder: i still daydream about the pub i've seen pictures of
15:14:06directhex|worki should probably try a newer build just to be sure. anything exciting recently?
15:14:13B4gderbtw, I found it amusing that my personal web page is blocked in the company proxy where I currently work ;-)
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15:14:28B4gderand the rockbox forums are too
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15:17:42fudgeyouwhats this disk spindown business
15:19:01B4gderfudgeyou: the hard disk spins when active and spins down when not
15:19:22B4gderyou know, that disk you don't have ;-P
15:20:00bluebrotherthe flash chips rotate? ;-)
15:21:14bluebrotherbah ... why does this damn controller doesn't have integrated pull up resistors?
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15:28:49fudgeyoutheres a spinnin disk in those things
15:31:24GodEater_it acts as a gyroscope to keep all the bits the right way up
15:32:00B4gderI got my bits up-side-down once. All hell broke loose!
15:33:34fudgeyoulol autopilot
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15:35:34markunfudgeyou: the hardware in the Gigabeat is quite nice if you ask me. The only advantage the ipod video has is the video decoder chip, but we can't use it anyway (yes?)
15:36:33GodEater_B4gder: if your bits got upside down, presumably your music came out backwards ? :)
15:37:10aliaskI would have guessed it came out upside down...
15:37:15fudgeyouwhy cant i play DOOM
15:37:40fudgeyouwhat u mean markun - rockbox can play videos?
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15:37:58*GodEater_ senses someone else who hasn't read the manual
15:38:02B4gderGodEater: yes, you like those backwards songs from the 80s singing messages about the devil!
15:38:31bluebrotherwas also the pitch reversed?
15:38:51*bluebrother goes handing the manual to someone in this channel
15:39:55GodEater_B4gder: those particular songs didn't sounds much better going forwards
15:40:08B4gdervery true
15:43:39directhex|workif a picture's worth a thousand words, how about devlish images drawn in waveforms?
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15:49:06bennyhinnalso why is it when i hit resume playblack it will put on a random song, not the thing i was listening too
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15:50:48Febs(1) What are you resuming from (shutdown, stopped playback, etc.)? (2) Do you have "random" turn on?
15:51:09bluebrotherbecause because we think it's better that way. Much more intuitive.
15:51:19*bluebrother giggles
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15:53:59bennyhinni was resuming from playing around in the plug ins section
15:54:06bennyhinnwhere do i go Febs, to find out if i have random turned on
15:54:13bennyhinnwhat u mean markun - rockbox can play videos?
15:54:28*bluebrother throws the manual at bennyhinn
15:54:28bennyhinnalso, lol, where do i get the d00m files form
15:54:41bluebrotherwe don't have d00m.
15:55:12bennyhinni couldve swarn i saw doom in the plug ins section
15:55:21bluebrotherwe have doom though.
15:55:30FebsYou did. Doom. Not d00m.
15:55:36bennyhinni wouldnt even give that the credit of being smart alec
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15:56:06bluebrotherbeing exact doesn't need you to be smart.
15:56:52Febsbennyhinn: It's time for you to read the manual. It will tell you how to set your "random" setting. It will tell you how to load and play doom.
15:57:16*Domonoky reads the logs, and think he has to finish his work on rbutil :-)
15:57:37bluebrothernooo ... you can't take that fun away from us!
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15:59:04GodEater_Domonoky: which bits need finishing ?
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15:59:40Domonokyi changed the UI. this needs a few more changes, and the i have to commit it..
15:59:53Domonokyalso the sansapatcher isnt completly integrated..
16:00:08Domonoky(but i have code for this, but its not ready)
16:00:24bennyhinnmaybe i clicked the wrong thing when i pressed resume playback
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16:06:40bennyhinnyay doom 2 is out
16:06:52JdGordon15 years ago....
16:07:05B4gderbut yes, it still is ;-)
16:08:04bennyhinnapart from rockbox, is there any other firmwares out there
16:08:39B4gderI get the feeling bennyhinn doesn't really appreciate how much hard work Rockbox is
16:08:40bennyhinnpreferably ones that dont require you to sift through the mother of all manuals, the encylopedia to build an atomic bomb, the rockbox manual, to find 1 tiny little bit of information
16:09:01GodEater_B4gder: how prophetic of you
16:09:12B4gderwrite your own bennyhinn and stop annoying us
16:09:54desowinbennyhinn: well, someone had to write rockbox, ... and you're complaining about just finding information ...
16:10:02bennyhinnnah its cool its just whenever i ask for help i get told im an idiot
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16:10:20B4gderbennyhinn: and why is that you think?
16:10:29Febsbennyhinn: no, you get told to read the manual. There is a difference.
16:10:35Febs(though one is not exclusive of the other)
16:11:10FebsBoth bluebrother and I have spent a LOT of time writing the manual, as have a number of others. Why should we retype if for you when all you need to do is click on a link and read it?
16:11:12B4gderbennyhinn: lots of people spent lots of time and effort to write a great manual where most of your questions are already answered
16:11:23Nico_Pbennyhinn: you have to understand that answering your questions is not our only activity
16:11:25B4gderyet you ignore that and keep repeating the questions here
16:12:09bennyhinnsome things you can answer with the manual, like, can rockbox do video
16:12:15bennyhinnwhy does it not go bak to my song when i click resume
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16:12:45JdGordon:'( i forgot to install ccache before compiling the cross compliler again :'(
16:12:45JdGordonits taking tooo long
16:13:16Febsbennyhinn: And that's another thing. When you DO ask a question, and you get a request for additional information, provide that information. I asked you for more information about your resume issue, and you ignored me. So why should I try to help you further?
16:13:40bennyhinnno, lol Febs, i get that a lot, i actually did provide you with more information, YOU FAILED to read it
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16:14:39bennyhinnlike i just followed the instructions to a dime just then on installing doom 2, and now i cant find where it is on the player
16:14:47FebsHow did you stop playback before trying to resume?
16:15:02Nico_Pguys, I think it might be time to commit the tokenizer... maybe you want to take a look at the patch befort I do ?
16:15:37spiorfhi, i tried one of those patched builds, the jclix one specifically(20070320-based), but i would like to use the latest mpegplayer on them. will it work if i take that day revision and update only the mpegplayer files, then build and copy the mpegplayer.rock file in the jclix build?
16:15:51bennyhinnpressed the puase button mind u i couldve pressed it more than once
16:16:08MoosNico_P: go go go! :) (no bugs left now?)
16:16:22Febsbennyhinn: what player? ipod?
16:16:33Nico_PMoos: hopefully, non
16:16:39Nico_Parg... none
16:16:39JdGordonNico_P: :)
16:16:41B4gderspiorf: perhaps, perhaps not
16:17:07MoosNico_P: then go ahead ;)
16:17:24Nico_PI have to warn you it results in an increase in binsize... I got 1k more on the ondio FM and 1,5k more on the gigabeat
16:17:38B4gderNico_P: I'm in favour of the tokenizer concept and we can always continue to improve and fix problems once committed
16:17:40*GodEater_ hopes Nico_P is wearing his anti-amiconn suit today
16:17:53bennyhinnthere is no addons directory neither
16:17:55*JdGordon wants one of them :D
16:17:58bennyhinnits a gigabeat Febs
16:18:28Nico_Pone last test on my gigabeat and i'll commit
16:18:43amiconnI hope it will work properly....
16:19:01Nico_Pamiconn: it should. I've tested it a lot
16:19:02Mooshehe :)
16:19:13*amiconn wonders why it got bigger when it should actually simplify things though
16:20:00markunbennyhinn: yes, it can play videos, but I think it will not be so easy:
16:21:08Febsbennyhinn: unless our documentation is wrong ( the gigabeat does not have a pause button. Do mean the "A" button?
16:21:29Nico_Pamiconn: well the displaying code is simpler but there's the parser...
16:21:29*GodEater_ looks at his gigabeat. Definitely no pause button.
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16:23:24bluebrotherDomonoky: just had this idea ... how about grabbing the manual with rbutil too and opening it up after installation automagically?
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16:23:51bluebrotherlike this pre-checked "show readme file" a couple of installers have.
16:23:59bennyhinnwoa guess whos playin doom
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16:24:08bennyhinnhey Febs, did the developer make cheats for rockdoom
16:24:20bennyhinnoh u need a plug in
16:24:25bennyhinnerm well
16:24:26*bluebrother fails to guess who is playing doom. It's definitely not me ...
16:24:29bennyhinnthe center button
16:24:52Domonokybluebrother: nice idea ..
16:25:04bluebrotherthe buttons have named that are pictured in the manual ...
16:25:40Domonokybut when should it show the manual ? after installing rockbox ? oder the Bootloader ?
16:25:44Nico_Pdo I need to be descriptive in my commit message ?
16:25:47bluebrothermaybe you could add "open manual online" as alternative?
16:25:59bluebrotherNico_P: the more descriptive the better ...
16:26:14bluebrotherdon't know if it's _required_ by some policy though.
16:26:16B4gderNico_P: and please include a reference to the FS#[num] of the patch
16:26:19JdGordonNico_P: all the debug code is ifdefed out right?
16:26:39bluebrotherbut I'm too wondering why the tokenizer is that much bigger.
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16:27:25Nico_PJdGordon: yes it is
16:28:30Nico_Pbluebrother: separating parsing and displaying made it bigger than I initially thought it would b
16:28:45JdGordonput the parser into a plugin :D
16:28:52Nico_Pbut maybe it can be otpimised
16:29:04Febsbennyhinn: I cannot replicate your problem. When music is paused, there is no "resume" option on the main menu. If I stop playback, run some plugins, and then return to the main menu and select "resume," my previously-playing song resumes, as it should.
16:29:12Nico_PJdGordon: it would be easy to do if finally it was decided
16:29:23bennyhinnFebs: the center button is the pause equivalent
16:29:37bennyhinnif it happens again significantly ill let u know
16:29:40bennyhinnany doom cheats?
16:30:07markunbennyhinn: I think there was a question about cheats in the forums, don't know if anyone answered.
16:30:52bluebrotherthe current version of doom doesn't allow cheats.
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16:31:33*bluebrother goes raising his "remove doom" hand
16:31:45perl|workremove doom?
16:32:10*GodEater_ seconds bluebrother
16:32:52bluebrothermaybe we should provide a second package with only some plugins ... and consider them unsupported
16:32:53markunbluebrother: you can start your own doom-less custom build :)
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16:33:20GodEater_hahaha - I can see how popular THAT would be :)
16:33:29perl|workmarkun 16x16 frames support?
16:33:33GodEater_Number of views : 2
16:33:36bluebrotherfor some minimalistic guys ;-)
16:33:48bluebrother(both views caused by myself ;-)
16:33:53GodEater_no - one is me!
16:34:04markunperl|work: support for heights and widths which are not a multiple of 16
16:34:06bluebrotherthen it must be 3 views
16:34:16markunperl|work: 320x136 for example
16:34:35perl|workmarkun, aha
16:35:04bennyhinnalright well
16:35:07bennyhinnim sufferng here
16:35:15bennyhinncause there aint no cheats
16:36:50markunbennyhinn: just go back to the original firmware. No doom so no suffering.
16:37:00markunand no complicated manual
16:38:33GodEater_anyone seen DerPapst's post in the Nano 2G thread? Is the chap he's quoting spouting mumbo-jumbo - or is this an actual attack vector we could use ?
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16:40:45GodEater_it looks promising, but I guess a lot hangs on his assumption that the hardware will run an OSOS image that has an all 0xFF security block and is un-encrypted
16:40:48bennyhinni want doom cheats gag NAMMIT
16:41:33*GodEater_ prods linuxstb
16:42:05*Nico_P takes a deep breath
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16:42:58neothecati have an iRiver H3xx running v. 12738-070312. and for some reason, in middle of playing and mp3, it will jump into the middle of another mp3. and another one.
16:43:28neothecati reformatted my HD once before, and it stopped for a while, but it's starting again. is this a bad hd or something else?
16:43:33GodEater_neothecat: update to a current version and see if it still happens ?
16:44:20GodEater_Nico_P: you missed "it increases binary size though. I'm hanging my head in shame." ;)
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16:44:33neothecatGodEater: when this happened the first time, i have upgraded a few times, and i kept my eye out for any changes that might effect this, i didn;t see any, but i will give the upgrade a try.
16:44:50GodEater_neothecat: it's always worth an upgrade :)
16:45:03Nico_PGodEater_: I'm hoping people won't notice :p
16:45:33amiconnNico_P: Why is WPS_TOKEN_SOUND_PITCH swcodec only? Hwcodec also has pitch except MAS3507D (i.e. player)
16:45:36*GodEater_ watches for the big red delta table
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16:46:22*perl|work pities the people who finish both dooms on their players
16:46:36Nico_Pamiconn: I think I referred to the previous code for that. I'll have to correct it in a future commit
16:46:45B4gderconsider adding this to the MajorChanges page
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16:46:56amiconnHmm, ok
16:47:07markunperl|work: what about a guy watching starwars on his Gigabeat while he should be working? :)
16:47:13Nico_PB4gder: will do. I'll also start a support thread :)
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16:47:31amiconnReplaygain should also be added for hwcodec... (both in playback and wps)
16:47:41kookIs it possible to perform an SVN update from behind a firewall?
16:48:00amiconn(even though it's one more of those "I won't use it" features)
16:48:03B4gderkook: most of us are behind firewalls I think
16:48:04GodEater_kook: depends on the firewall
16:48:05perl|workmarkun ha, i think somebody watched all 3 lord of the rings on gigabeat
16:48:25GodEater_perl|work: the extended ones ? :)
16:48:29markunperl|work: you did?
16:48:37perl|workalso lorean likes to watch huge movies like gladiator on his now :P
16:48:55perl|workmarkun i havent even watched those on big screen
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16:49:03perl|workleave away on mp3 player
16:49:09Nico_Pamiconn: it's not a WPS-only change, though ?
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16:49:36kookWhen I tried it (via Tortoise SVN) it said that the server was not reachable (or something like that). Is there a HTTP port for rockbox's svn?
16:50:10Nico_Pno error/warning :)
16:50:32GodEater_kook: no there isn't
16:50:41*Nico_P sees the delta table and hides
16:51:12GodEater_2092 on the H300!
16:51:25Nico_Pwow I didn't see that coming
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16:51:47amiconnHmm, the delta line doesn't look nice :\
16:51:55kookGodEater: then I have bad firewall :-(
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16:52:34*GodEater_ awards Nico_P the "Red Delta" medal
16:52:35amiconnX5 is even 2108
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16:53:15Nico_PGodEater_: I did get a green delta once :)
16:53:21amiconnLooks like ~400 are due to rtc, and about the same again for lcd remote
16:53:21bluebrotherGodEater_: isn't that medal already given to someone? Can you pass it along that easy?
16:53:30voltagexhi everyone
16:53:32Nico_PI'll do my best to bring it down though
16:53:46voltagexanything interesting happening in rockboxland?
16:53:56amiconn~1000 seems to be the base for all targets
16:53:59GodEater_bluebrother: I have a hole box full of them - want one ? :)
16:53:59roolkuthis is odd, why is h1x0 only half of the other coldfire targets?
16:54:14amiconnroolku: No rtc
16:54:31bluebrotherI'd prefer a Rockbox t-shirt :D
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16:54:40GodEater_ah - I'm fresh out of those
16:54:47Nico_Pamiconn: the rtc tag is a complicated one
16:54:50markunvoltagex: mpegplayer is getting better
16:55:02GodEater_bluebrother: how about a "No Doom on Rockbox" campaign pin ? :)
16:55:04bluebrothermedals are a bit of a problem, I don't have too much room in my student box
16:55:05FebsSpeaking of t-shirts, I wonder how axlgreasetire's efforts to make a t-shirt are coming along?
16:55:28FebsI don't think he understood the point I (sarcastically) made in the forum thread about using an iron-on on a black t-shirt.
16:55:30bluebrotherno idea ... but I would still found it great to have a spreadshirt shop
16:55:33bluebrotheror something similar
16:55:37Nico_Pamiconn: parsing it isn't too hard but displaying it is a real PITA
16:56:06bluebrotherFebs: you know there are print-on iron-ons for black t-shirts?
16:56:28bluebrotherI only tried the usual ones like 10 years ago, but those worked quite nice
16:56:35FebsReally? I've never seen one.
16:57:08bluebrotherI've seen the black ones only once or twice though.
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16:57:17bluebrotherthey seem to be somewhat rare
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16:57:18voltagexmarkun: my H340 still isn't powerful enough to really use it
17:02:23Nico_Phmm could someone make me a developer in the forums ? I can't post in the announcements forum
17:03:28FebsNico_P: Llorean isn't online, and he is the only one (I think) who can do that. If you post in the general discussion forum, I'll move the thread.
17:03:42Nico_PFebs: OK, thanks
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17:06:29FebsActually, I may be able to change your status. What is your forum username?
17:07:56markunFebs: thanks for cleaning that thread
17:08:19Febsmarkun: it was going nowhere but down.
17:08:26lowlightNico_P: maybe for clarity wps_load_data be defined in wps_parser.h instead of gwps.h?
17:10:04Nico_Plowlight: there is no wps_parser.h. wps_data_load is the only function from wps_parser.c that is exposed to the "outside world". I thought it wasn't worht creating a separate header file
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17:10:40FebsNico_P: I am able to change forum user status after all. You should now be listed as a developer.
17:10:52Nico_PFebs: thanks :)
17:11:13cropIs it intentional that some variables (that seem rather private to me) are 'public' in wps_parser.c? E.g. level and last_cond?
17:11:54Nico_Pcrop: I wanted them to be public to the file
17:12:42cropShoudn't they be made static then?
17:12:59cropI.e. they are visible in the file but not outside
17:13:49Nico_Pstatic isn't the same thing for a variable and for a function AFAIK
17:13:58voltagexhmm, last svn build I have is 20070329, worth updating?
17:14:12Nico_Pvoltagex: yes, to try the WPS tokenizer :)
17:14:36cropI think it is. Or do you need these vars in wps_debug as well?
17:14:41voltagexNico_P: now if I could find my player, I might be able to find out what a WPS tokeniser is
17:15:08Nico_Pcrop: they are only needed in wps_parser.c
17:15:17cropIf they are declared as non-static they are in the global name space and are accessible from everywhere
17:15:30cropNico_P: then they should be declared as static
17:15:49cropThe life span is the same but visibility is bound to the file
17:16:33cropNico_P: nice comments btw!
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17:17:03Nico_Pthanks :)
17:17:15amiconnstatic is very much the same for functions and variables
17:17:18cropI wish the whole RB code were commented like this!
17:17:30amiconnIt makes the element global with a hidden symbol
17:17:58cropamiconn: what is a hidden symbol? An assembler attribute?
17:18:03Nico_Pamiconn: but a static var within a function is different, isn't it ?
17:18:30cropNico_P: iirc it's only visible within that func then. But the life span is the same
17:18:47Nico_Pcrop: yes, that's what I understood
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17:20:13bluebrotherhmm, the tokenizer will render some patches useless
17:20:19bluebrotherlike scrolling margins ...
17:20:36Nico_Pbluebrother: they will be completly out of sync, yes
17:20:37lowlightNico_P: but does every file that includes gwps.h need wps_data_load?
17:20:58Nico_Pand I think the tokenizer could allow better ways to implement them
17:21:28XavierGrNico_P: will tsr pluggins work correctly with the new parser?
17:21:47Nico_Plowlight: this might be an answer to your question :
17:22:10Nico_PXavierGr: the parser uses the plugin buffer, but not much of it, so I *think* TSR plugins should work
17:22:37Nico_PI mean they shouldn't prevent loading the WPS
17:23:05Nico_Plowlight: the graph is slightly outdated but not that particular part
17:24:01bluebrotherNico_P: how did you create that graph? Looks much like what doxygen creates but I don't see doxygen comments in the commit
17:24:11linuxstbNico_P: How much plugin RAM does it need?
17:24:27Nico_Pbluebrother: with KSope
17:24:32bluebrotherah :)
17:24:51Nico_Plinuxstb: it only uses the plugin ram to store the WPS source for parsing
17:24:58cropHow does it come that the tokenizer added so much to the binary size? I.e. feature wise it's the same we already had before so the code size should be approximately the same.
17:26:07Nico_Pcrop: the displaying code is simpler but there is additional code for the parser
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17:27:11cropNico_P: but we already had a "parser" (spread through the displaying code)
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17:27:45cropSo this separation is very good IMHO but the overall size shoudn't have changed significantly
17:28:24cropWell, I mean "increased". I'd say nothing if it decreased :-)
17:28:55linuxstbNico_P: So you've just single-handedly broken all patches which add new WPS tags? ;-)
17:29:10Nico_Pcrop: There's probably some room left for optimisation
17:29:20GodEaterlinuxstb: hehehe - good point ;)
17:29:22Nico_Plinuxstb: quite an achievement, heh ?
17:29:33cropNico_P: ok. But godd work!
17:30:19Nico_PI'll probably try to sync and/or commit the most important ones
17:30:19Nico_Pcrop: thanks :) feel free to help bring the size down :)
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17:33:28*amiconn hopes the parser didn't break text alignment on the player, which he only activated a few days ago
17:33:49Nico_Pamiconn: On your example WPS, it didn't
17:34:43amiconnEnabling this became so simple after I made the charcell lcd driver support some function which were bitmap-only previously
17:35:02lostlogicI may not be able to make it to devcon afterall :( tickets are more expensive this time
17:35:43Nico_Pamiconn: the pitch tag should be available to all targets ?
17:36:12amiconnAll except theplayer
17:36:34amiconnThe MAS3507D doesn't allow pitch to work
17:36:46Nico_Pamiconn: using HAVE_LCD_BITMAP would work but sounds a bit of a hack...
17:37:46amiconn#if CONFIG_CODEC != MAS3507D
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17:48:13bennyhinnis it possible, i am not asking *how* but is it possible to delete files within rockbox on your player
17:48:40Moosyes, you can
17:48:53Moosjust check the MANUAL
17:51:23Mooswhat is your player?
17:52:22bennyhinnrockbox gigabeat versio
17:52:51Moos even
17:52:55Moosall is here
17:52:57sslashesamiconn: have any time to help explain your ideas for viewports?
17:53:05bennyhinni know where the manual is ;p
17:53:36Moosthen just read it ;)
17:53:41Nico_Pbennyhinn: then you should find it quite easy to read it now
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17:58:50bennyhinncan u copy and paste it 2 me my comps slow
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18:00:08sslashesNico_P: your heavily involved in the current WPS solution, correct?
18:00:36Nico_Psslashes: current as of today, yes :)
18:01:40sslashesNico_P: heh, you mind taking a quick look at my SoC proposal ( and let me know if you have any strong opinions on the matter
18:01:57sslashesi figure if it gets accepted, we'll most likely be working closely
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18:04:11Nico_Psslashes: probaby, yes. But I won't me a mentor, as I've applied as a student :)
18:04:39Nico_Psslashes: the JIT compiler idea was suggested with my WPS changes but didn't have much success
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18:05:14Nico_Pbut overall it sounds like a reasonable proposal to me
18:05:41Nico_Pmaybe having the themes as one file would be even better though
18:06:00Nico_P(tar themes... there are two tracker entries for them)
18:07:35amiconnNico_P: Did you try the idea of deferring the bmp load until after comleting the .wps load?
18:07:49amiconnShoudl be good for a nice speedup on hdd targets...
18:07:56Nico_Pamiconn: that's how it's done
18:08:09sslashesNico_P: thanks for the ideas
18:08:20sslasheswhat failed about the JIT compiler idea?
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18:09:51Nico_Pamiconn: actually the bitmaps are loaded once the parsing is complete. but when the parsing starts, the WPS has already been read so maybe loading bitmaps whilst parsing wouldn't be bad
18:09:51Nico_Psslashes: too complicated IIRC
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18:13:53Domonokycan someone with linux and the ability to build rbutil try the newes version of FS #6893 ?
18:14:04Nico_PDomonoky: I'll do it
18:14:36DomonokyNico_P: thx
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18:16:32Nico_PDomonoky: I'm getting a lot of errors
18:16:55Domonokyerrors while building it ?
18:17:08Domonokyor while running ?
18:17:22Nico_Pwhile building
18:18:08Domonokystrange it builds on my colinux, Unicode issues again ?
18:18:23Domonokycan you give me a pastebin of the errors ?
18:19:06Nico_PDomonoky: sorry, it was my mistake
18:19:17Nico_Papparently I didn't patch a clean rbutil tree
18:19:52Nico_Pthe rockbox logo is displayed properly ! :)
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18:20:24Domonokyyes, i built my own imagecontrol, so the images are now properly on all Platforms..
18:21:29Nico_PDomonoky: the device path box is a bit small IMHO
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18:22:48Nico_Pand it should scale with the windows
18:23:56Domonokyi need more wxWidgets knowledge.. :-)
18:25:15Nico_Palso maybe a close button on the window frame would be nice. I only have the maximise button
18:25:51Nico_P(i'm speaking of the secondary windows, not the main one)
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18:26:32Nico_PDomonoky: ah... the themes installation part seems to hang
18:26:57DomonokyNico_P: hanging while Downloading ?
18:27:06Nico_Pthe "downloading" is displayed and then I can't do anything, not even cancel. and the windows aren't being repainted
18:27:28Nico_Pi'm forced to kill the app
18:27:40Domonokyok, thats a real bug, will investigate.. for the others, i have to read up on wxWidgets..
18:28:12Nico_PDomonoky: do you want me to summarize my remarks on the tracker ?
18:28:51Domonokynot needed, i have written it on my Todo list..
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20:01:16peturdo h1x0 irivers also have bootloader usb just like h3x0?
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20:01:48peturand when they are off, they power on when connecting?
20:02:21amiconnH1x0 doesn't draw any power from usb, and they also don't power on from plugging usb and/or the charger
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20:03:33peturhow do you get into bootloader usb? first connect and then power on?
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20:04:51amiconnYou can also plug after powering on if you're quick
20:04:56amiconnHalf a second or so
20:05:46peturok thanks...
20:06:00petur(,82361.0.html )
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20:07:45amiconnIf the green led doesn't light up when plugging the charger, my first guess is that the battery is really low, or even completely dead
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20:08:22amiconnThe led is purely hardware controlled (by the battery charger chip), so if it doesn't light up it means it doesn't charge
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20:08:54amiconnBut it might be that it just takes a while, LiIon chargers often employ a soft start if the battery is really low
20:09:07*Genre9mp3 waves to all!
20:09:20amiconnMight also be that the charger is broken
20:09:37amiconn(the chip and/or the thingy that plugs into mains)
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20:11:55BigBabyJesushey!some german here who can help me?but english ok too ;)
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20:15:51pixelmano one can tell if he/she could help you - as long as you don't say what's up ;)
20:16:16BigBabyJesuswhats uuuup?
20:17:08toffe82what is your problem ?
20:17:12pixelmaI meant... what's your question, or what help do you need?
20:17:22BigBabyJesusah lol k...
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20:18:25BigBabyJesusallright...right now,my ipod is in disk mode,i run that rix program to install rockbox...but now,nothing really changed,y?
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20:19:20BigBabyJesusi still see the standard ipod menu
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20:21:11BigBabyJesusbut have to have rockbox=) what can i do now?
20:21:58pixelmarix - isn't that the unofficial "Rockbox Installer X", if so that's quite outdated afaik and it's unsupported... actually you are supposed to use the official install method (you can find them in the manual) and then there would be people able to help if you have a certain problem/question with that
20:22:30BigBabyJesusok,i will try it without rix...can you pls give me the link to the manual=)
20:22:39BigBabyJesusah no,got it already...
20:24:55BigBabyJesusbut can you tell me which bulid i need for my 30gig video ipod?
20:25:56pixelmathe one that's called "iPod Video" with the picture?
20:27:18BigBabyJesusyeah got it^^ overread it... i see the rockbox menu^^
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20:34:25donutman25hello, can someone tell me where i can locate in the mpegplayer.c the line that makes the viewer exit when the stop buttuon is pressed.
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20:41:01BigBabyJesusone last do i get now music on my ipod with the windows explorer?
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20:41:59sslashesBigBabyJesus: step one - mount, two - drag, three - drop
20:41:59StalwartBigBabyJesus: drag'n'drop
20:42:17lowlightdonutman25: don't have the code in front of me, but I imagine there is a button_get() call followed by the button handling code
20:42:20Stalwarton the MFing ipod
20:42:23sslashesit should show up as another drive under My Computer
20:42:54BigBabyJesusi only see my "normal" ipod
20:43:14BigBabyJesusor do i understand it false?
20:43:46sslashescopy (or cut) your music directory to your "noraml" ipod, mounted under My Computer
20:44:23BigBabyJesusah lol.just like if im doin music on a external drive?k,was confused by the folders i see there
20:44:57donutman25lowlight: thanks
20:45:12bluebrotherBigBabyJesus: you can just keep using itunes if you want to.
20:45:32sslashesalternatively, you can turn on tag cache from the settings menu and it will scan the drive for music and display it using id3 information
20:45:34BigBabyJesusnooooooooo...first reason i wanted rockbox,is i DONT want to use itunes
20:45:37bluebrotherjust use the database for browsing in that case.
20:45:53bluebrotheryou don't need to
20:46:24bluebrotherit's a regular removable drive attached via usb. So ... where's the problem?
20:46:38sslashesBigBabyJesus: if you no longer want to use itunes (and are ok with your music not showing up under the apple firmware), then delete all the folders there besides rockbox
20:46:41BigBabyJesusdont know...just was a bit confused^^
20:48:15BigBabyJesusnow,everything is workin very guys really do a great job.keep working
20:48:51bluebrothernooo ... I want to get a vacation!
20:49:01sslashesBigBabyJesus: glad to help
20:49:41BigBabyJesusthank you
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20:56:55donutman25@lowlight: would you also happen to know how to get the current frame number that is playing in the source?
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20:59:17linuxstbdonutman25: Assuming you're talking about mpegplayer, and video frames (not audio frames), then "frame" is what you want (in the video_thread() function)
20:59:45donutman25thank you
20:59:51JavaMan22i have a doom addon
20:59:56JavaMan22called iHalo
21:00:02amiconnThe crash on fast forwarding ( ) still happens
21:00:06JavaMan22it says i have missing textures??
21:00:30linuxstbdonutman25: What are you planning to do with mpegplayer?
21:00:43amiconn(only that I get an illegal instruction instead of an address error)
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21:01:04*amiconn tries with the new parser thing
21:01:45JavaMan22linuxstb how come i get missing textures and how could i get those textures on
21:03:04donutman25linuxstb: i'm trying to get mpegplayer to save the last played video frame to a file when video is stopped and the plugin is exited
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21:04:03donutman25and make it load the last frame in the file when the same video plays again
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21:05:13linuxstbYou mean a resume feature?
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21:06:38perl|workdonutman25 interesting idea
21:07:48donutman25the bad part about it is that i hard know c language
21:08:06donutman25so i hope i dont bug you guys with my questions
21:09:06peturanybody using insight on cygwin?
21:09:54amiconnHmm, the crash indeed has to do with the special player progress display(s)
21:10:23amiconnSince this is working in a particular cumbersome way anyway, I'll rewrite it
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21:11:19scorcheoh wow...bennyhinn in the logs..he just kept gettign worse
21:11:37peturhow did we get rid of him?
21:12:18scorcheno clue, but i would have kicked him after the cheats "gag NAM MIT"
21:13:18peturI get the feeling the WPS screen comes up much faster with the new tokenizer
21:13:56amiconnI tested this with iCatcher on archos recorder
21:14:07amiconnThe tokenizer version is slightly slower
21:14:26amiconnNot noticeable during normal usage
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21:19:00k0rnzwhat do people use to copy video podcasts and video movies to their ipod in linux?
21:20:35linuxstbAre you asking about playing those videos in Rockbox?
21:21:04k0rnzyes i wanna 1st copy them onto ipod running rockbox but i dont know which program to use in linux as amarok does not work
21:21:15k0rnzi'm installing now gtkpod and see if it work
21:21:27bluebrotheruse konqueror
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21:21:46bluebrotheror any other file manager unless you prefer the command line
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21:22:09linuxstbk0rnz: See for details on how to convert videos for Rockbox.
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21:22:37linuxstbThere is no need to use gtkpod - just drag and drop them after conversion.
21:22:44k0rnzthanks my good sir
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21:25:30robin0800are all wps patches broken by latest build?
21:25:57linuxstbVery likely. But nico_p said he was going to try and sync the major ones.
21:26:37robin0800should you put a warning on the page
21:28:51linuxstbWhy? patches are always going out of sync with SVN.
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21:30:34robin0800yes but this may effect a lot of people as it is probably many patches going out of sync at the same time
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21:30:54toni1linuxstb: Did you see my bug report of the plugin header?
21:31:21JavaMan22linuxstb how can i add the textures into doom?
21:32:16linuxstbJavaMan22: No idea - but be aware that Rockbox's Doom strictly adhers to the Doom standard for WADs, so refuses to play many of the non-standard WADs in existence.
21:32:42toni1linuxstb: I wonder, why other targets don't have this issue with the mpegplayer plugin.
21:34:02JavaMan22i have freedom doom
21:37:16linuxstbtoni1: Nice find. I don't know anything about that code though. Maybe amiconn has an idea.
21:37:23*linuxstb points amiconn towards
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21:39:35toni1linuxstb: The arm-asm memset still sets some bytes (less than 8), if the size_t entry gets negative.
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21:40:22amiconnend_addr should never be smaller than the plugin filesize. If it does, something is wrong with linking
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21:40:47toni1probably due to linking the codec?
21:41:20linuxstbI thought size_t was unsigned? See firmware/include/sys/types.h
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21:41:48toni1yes it should, but the arm asm version is definitely not.
21:42:17amiconnlinuxstb: Hmm, do you link the whole codec or just libmad?
21:42:26linuxstbI link libmad
21:42:37amiconnlibmad shouldn't define end_addr ....
21:42:54AceNikhey id jut like to know , in the svn update , u :update, G: ? , A: ?
21:43:00linuxstbThe "mpa.codec" is mpa.c linked with libmad.
21:43:11linuxstb(plus the codec lib)
21:43:37amiconntoni1: What target?
21:43:47toni1sansa e250
21:44:00*amiconn tries a build in order to check the .map
21:44:30linuxstbtoni1: How wrong is the end_addr in the plugin? i.e. how many bytes?
21:44:45amiconnI'll just check where it points in the final plugin
21:45:29AceNikWith todays changes to wps's do we need to change codes in the already existing wps's?
21:45:51linuxstbAceNik: No, it should act the same from a user's point of view.
21:46:16toni1linuxstb: I don't really know, wether that is wrong, or the assumption of the bss segment in the memset area.
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21:46:40toni1I think somehow the end_addr is correct.
21:47:24toni1I checked the nano build and it looks quite the same.
21:47:31AceNikG: ? , A: ? what does this mean in an svn update ?
21:48:34markunAceNik: "svn help update"
21:49:32toni1linuxstb: In my build 5Bytes get be zeroed by memset
21:49:50Stalwartw00t w00t w00t!
21:50:00AceNikthank c ya
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21:50:09toni1linuxstb: Before end_addr of course
21:50:32toni1In front I mean
21:51:00amiconnYou think memset may have a bug?
21:51:12amiconnJust try the C version for comparison then
21:51:14toni1amiconn: yes.
21:51:29toni1No need, I checked the asm
21:52:05toni1The correct memset would overwrite the whole memory area here
21:52:30toni10xfffffxxx bytes
21:52:49amiconnThe correct memset should only overwrite the bytes between end of file end end_addr
21:53:26toni1but the size_t is negative
21:53:58amiconnHow can plugin_size - readsize become negative?
21:54:09toni1I mean the value passed to the size_t is negative
21:55:01toni1memset(dest, 0, 0xfffffxxx);
21:59:04JavaMan22there should be a warning that all play counts will be deleted when you go to Initialize now...
21:59:26JavaMan22i was looking around and clicked it on accident and it erased all my play counts and play scores
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22:00:35amiconnI think I know what's going on
22:01:37amiconnend_addr being lower than the file size is correct, as this plugin contains iram code and initialized data
22:01:56amiconn...which, for one, needs to be moved _before_ clearing bss
22:02:40amiconnBut otoh, it shows that the formula for calculating bss breaks when a plugin does that (contain any 1 of icode, idata or irodata)
22:02:51amiconnibss is no problem
22:04:00amiconnend_addr is just the end of the bss area, but iram content doesn't count because bss overlays that space
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22:07:15toni1amiconn: Do you think the memset is necessary at that place?
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22:09:23amiconngcc relies on the bss being zeroes out by default
22:09:37amiconnIt places zero initialized data into bss
22:10:06toni1ok, I understand.
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22:46:15donutman25how do i get the current frame number from the video thread in mpegplayer?
22:50:34donutman25how do i get the current frame number from the video thread in mpegplayer.c?
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22:53:52bluebrotherdonutman25: you don
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22:54:12bluebrother't need to repeat yourself −− it looks pretty much like noone knows an answer
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22:55:20markundonutman25: did you check the source?
22:55:28markunI can take a look
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22:56:08donutman25i've been looking at it for 45 minutes but i have no reasonable knowledge of c
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22:56:37markundonutman25: what are you trying to do exactly?
22:57:04donutman25save the last played frame to a file when video is stopped
22:57:32markunyou try to add a resume function?
22:57:35donutman25 i'm trying to save the last played frame to a file when video is stopped
22:58:01markunhow will you go back to this frame?
22:59:29donutman25i was thinking about making mpegplayer load the file and go back to the frame mentioned in the file in the video
22:59:30markunand play the audio from the correct position as well..
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23:00:22markunwithout any reasonable knowledge of c? It will not be easy for you.
23:00:35peturdamn markun you just beat me to it ;)
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23:01:38Soapdon't spank the man for learning through play!
23:01:47SoapIt doesn't have to work to be educational.
23:02:22donutman25i'm learning new things everytime i take a glimpse at the source
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23:02:43bluebrotherhmm. For resuming, wouldn't seeking be needed first?
23:03:28donutman25i thought about that
23:04:25bluebrotherimplementing resume first sound somewhat like the wrong approach to me
23:04:35donutman25that way i figured it was that to that that it wouldnt be seeking because i know exactly where i want to go
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23:19:51markunfound a bug?
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23:20:02amiconnMy simplified player progress drawing saves 500 bytes - and it's better than the old in that it only displays as many user-definable characters as actually necessary, potentially freeing up some for other text
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23:20:47LandusOkay. X-Chat can simply close the channel window.
23:20:54amiconnAnd it fixes the crashes when fast forwarding, and makes it display correctly while seeking (previously the progress went backwards when fast forwarding and vice versa)
23:21:21LandusAnyway, I was going to ask if anyone knows if a port for the 80GB iPod will be in the works, or already is?
23:21:35LandusI've spend a few days looking around with nothing recent on the topic.
23:22:18markunLandus: it's in the works yes, but no recent progress
23:22:51LandusAh. Thanks.
23:22:54*amiconn still thinks the model list on the frontpage should link to wiki pages describing why the exceptions are there
23:23:08amiconn(80GB/G5.5 and Nano G2)
23:23:32amiconnUnfortunately the frontpage still doesn't use the svn www module :\
23:23:47LandusI know why there there, I just wanted to know if any progress making a stable version had started.
23:23:53Bagderso much to do, so little time
23:24:01LandusActually, another question that's a bit off topic.
23:25:01markunLandus: be careful then, off topic questions are not generally welcomed here :)
23:25:11LandusOff the iPod topic.
23:25:24LandusStill related to rockbox.
23:26:56mr_pinkcan someone point me in the right direction to find functions that handle backlight control? Attempting to write my first patch...
23:27:09LandusThere's a page in the wiki that mentions having a background in assembly, and C/C++ if someone was interested in porting rockbox to other platforms, or just making changes to the firmware for current releases.
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23:27:33LandusAs far as college classes go, are there any that would fall exactly in this catergory.
23:27:44LandusI was thinking microelectronics, but wasn't entirely sure.
23:27:59Bagdermr_pink: what target?
23:28:05LandusCategory, rather.
23:28:09linuxstbLandus: I think you would need to ask your college...
23:28:42linuxstbIt also depends on your experience, and what exactly you want to work on in Rockbox.
23:28:46LandusNot in yet. Still a few more months, but I was wondering if there's a general field that covers all the knowledge needed to hack rockbox.
23:28:50bluebrotherLandus: no c++, only c in Rockbox
23:29:10Bagdermr_pink: rockbox/firmware/target/arm/gigabeat/meg-fx/backlight-meg-fx.c
23:29:17donutman25where do you guys think is the best play to learn c, that a 16 year old has access to?
23:29:41LandusBooks and see if there's a class at your high school.
23:29:47LandusI speak from experience.
23:30:05bluebrotherdonutman25: get K&R and another book that's more explaining
23:30:13Bagderonline examples and man pages
23:30:17bluebrotherand find yourself some interesting thing to program
23:31:07Landusand make yourself familar with a unix shell.
23:31:19LandusOr just your common linux distro.
23:31:53donutman25bluebrother: what is "K&R"?
23:32:00linuxstbLandus: Rockbox contributors have a wide variety of skills and knowledge - there won't be one course to cover every area. And I would guess that most of the Rockbox hackers are mostly self-taught.
23:32:31bluebrotherdonutman25: The C Programming language by Kernighan & Ritchie
23:32:46bluebrotherit's some kind of the bible for C
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23:32:59bluebrotherbut it isn't a teaching book.
23:33:37bluebrotherwhile you could learn c using k&r it's easier if you use something else for the basics and then read on there.
23:37:43kkurbjunWhat tristates the coldfire CPU on the iriver's when the USB chip is talking to the HD?
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23:38:53kkurbjunH100 and H300 that is
23:39:16Landuslinuxstb: I should be more specific. I don't entirely understand how the software and the hardware work together from just C code from scratch.
23:40:51markunLandus: if you know some C and have a little spare time you should just dive in and try to work on rockbox
23:41:24LandusI know a little, but not enough to comprehend how it all works together as a whole.
23:41:59LandusThe only computer intensive available class I can take as a high school student is a networking class, which has little to do with programming.
23:42:04markunit was a bit overwhelming for me at first
23:42:13mr_pinkdoes anyone know where links to should point to instead? There's loads of links to it in the wiki but it doesn't seem to exist. I'm happy to update if someone can tell me what it should be!
23:42:59Bagdermr_pink: I believe here =>
23:43:22LandusI've been using for rockbox almost a year. I've been wanting to be able to write something of my own, but have literally no idea where to start. Overwhelming is the perfect to describe where I am.
23:43:36Bagder is a better (fixed) URL
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23:43:58markunLandus: is there a particular thing you would like to work on?
23:44:16BagderLandus: writing a plugin (game, demo, etc) is a perfect start
23:44:33bluebrotherhmm, CONTRIBUTING reminds me of the doxygen issue
23:45:04markunBagder: or just trying to fix/alter/enhance some feature
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23:45:48LandusThere is one.
23:46:02LandusThough, it might be a bit above and beyond.
23:46:19markunLandus: tell us
23:46:32LandusThe headphones I have, one side is dead, so I've switched the sound setting channels to mono.
23:46:41LandusBut during one of my periods during the day.
23:46:49LandusI can sneak into the school auditorium, and if it's empty.
23:47:13LandusI plug in my DAP into the sound board and put everything over the 16 speakers.
23:48:10LandusSwitching from mono to stereo takes a minute, either from lack of RAM or hard drive activity.
23:48:33LandusI had an idea of making a faster way of getting to that menu.
23:48:54LandusBut got lost as soon as I started trying to figure out how to start.
23:49:14LandusThe A-B button brings up a menu if its held in.
23:50:08LandusI wanted to replace one of the existing selections with a way to change the channel setting.
23:51:44markunLandus: hm.. :)
23:52:17markunI don't understand you "either from lack of RAM or hard drive activity" statement
23:52:36LandusThe firmware lags when I hold in the Navi button.
23:53:00LandusI figure that it's from a lack of RAM, or it taking a second for the hard drive to spin up.
23:53:25donutman25would "C for Dummies" aid me in learning to program for rockbox?
23:55:11markunLandus: I don't think the hard drive should spin up if you hold the NAVI button.
23:55:27linuxstbDoesn't the NAVI button take you to the file browser (from the WPS) ?
23:55:40LandusNot if I hold it in from the WPS.
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23:56:03linuxstbThen you have the WPS context menu.
23:56:03LandusI get a menu that let's me look a few things, including sound settings.
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23:56:30mr_pinkbadger: unfortunately seaching for "contributing" to find the broken links results in finding every page in the wiki... stupid copyright footer!
23:58:31LandusI'm not sure why it lags, but it does, and it doesn't when I hold in the A-B button.

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