| 00:00:46 | bluebrother | there is a boot sector. And there is a partition that is used for booting. It's called boot partition sometimes, and that is this empty marked partition |
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| 00:05:50 | Llorean | robin0800: The significance is between the word "sector" and "partition", as they're both technical terms. |
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| 00:11:13 | walter | hello, someone here who is able to answer a question which might not be a very smart one? |
| 00:11:39 | hcs | stupid questions are my specialty! |
| 00:11:57 | walter | Fine! |
| 00:12:28 | walter | I would like to buy a new musicplayer, and i thought the sansa might be a good one. |
| 00:12:52 | walter | but i read the docs and the web page, and something is not very clear to me. |
| 00:13:12 | walter | It says the USB is not supported well. |
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| 00:14:05 | walter | does this mean i can only load files on the device when not using rockbox? |
| 00:14:13 | Bagder | walter: rockbox has no usb support of its own on the sansa, but relies on the user to start the original firmware for that |
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| 00:15:16 | LinusOnVacation | pixelma: i just fixed the search |
| 00:15:36 | pixelma | many thanks :) |
| 00:15:43 | LinusOnVacation | :-) |
| 00:15:50 | LinusOnVacation | gtg, cu |
| 00:16:01 | walter | Badger: Okay, does this mean i have to install the original firmware when i shove the device in my computer? |
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| 00:16:31 | Bagder | walter: the OF is kept on the device already and you can easily boot into that at your choice |
| 00:16:44 | Bagder | and rockbox even does it for you if you start it by plugging in the usb |
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| 00:17:28 | Vercingetorix | ok I solved the problem.... |
| 00:18:09 | walter | Badger: you mean it can be used by a noob like me? |
| 00:18:16 | Bagder | yes it can |
| 00:18:28 | walter | Someone who uses linux because he doesn't understand windows? |
| 00:18:32 | Vercingetorix | I didn't update the .rockbox directory in the partition of music...but I continued to update a .rockbox directory in the same partition of ipodlinux |
| 00:18:37 | walter | wow. |
| 00:19:24 | Vercingetorix | now I have updated the .rockbox directory in the partition of music and no more codec failure... |
| 00:19:43 | Vercingetorix | still continuing using ipodbootloader 2.5d6 |
| 00:19:58 | walter | Badger: thanks. It's shopping time i guess. |
| 00:20:36 | Bagder | it's sleeping time for me! |
| 00:21:28 | Nico_P | why do I get a warning when assigning a the value of a const var to a non-const var ? |
| 00:21:35 | Nico_P | and how do I get rid of it ? |
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| 00:29:35 | tsuyoshi | is it a string? |
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| 00:30:40 | tsuyoshi | if you copy a pointer to a const array to a pointer to a non-const array it can cause problems |
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| 00:40:01 | unknownsidhu | hey guys I gotta quick question, i just loaded Rockbox onto my nano, and got everything working just fine, but how do I put music onto my player so that I cnan browse music using database, instead of files? |
| 00:40:58 | Soap | database will search your files anyway you place them on there. |
| 00:41:05 | Soap | ASSuming they are propery tagged. |
| 00:41:58 | scorche | heh....i got a major spam attack from slashnet, so i instictively popped op status on all channels i could >_> |
| 00:42:03 | Mode | "#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 00:42:11 | unknownsidhu | yeah theyre tagged fine, i kan only see the files that I had on before when I used iTunes through the data base, but not the new ones |
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| 00:42:42 | Soap | scorche might know better than I about the database... |
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| 00:42:58 | unknownsidhu | i placed them as following G:/Music/ |
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| 00:44:22 | scorche | unknownsidhu: try deleting the tagcache files and re-initializing |
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| 00:46:50 | unknownsidhu | shoot i kant even delete my old music using iTunes nemore |
| 00:46:58 | unknownsidhu | never mind, :P |
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| 00:47:52 | Nico_P | tsuyoshi: I found what was wrong, thanks |
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| 01:05:19 | chaos | hi ... i am experiencing a terrible problem ... i downloaded the latest build , overwrite the stuff over my ipod root and when i try viewing pics,videos it has a version error and when i try playimng music on rockbox it has a codec error, and if u where thinking that i had 2 .rockbox files i already cleaned them |
| 01:07:23 | petur | daily or current build? |
| 01:08:10 | chaos | current builds |
| 01:08:35 | chaos | so which part am i wrong in? |
| 01:09:02 | Nico_P | chaos: this is probably because your bootloader is outdated. the rockbox.ipod file has moved to .rockbox instead of the root |
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| 01:09:45 | Nico_P | chaos: if you move the rockbox.ipod from .rockbox back to the root, it should work. but that's not a very good solution |
| 01:09:58 | chaos | i got no idea on what to do now ... please explain |
| 01:10:42 | Nico_P | try moving the rockbox.ipod file as I said just above. If that leads to rockbox working fine, then it means you need to update your bootloader |
| 01:10:50 | chaos | huh? my .rockbox is already in my rockbox root |
| 01:11:19 | chaos | rockbox.ipod? where is this file? |
| 01:11:31 | Nico_P | chaos: that's probably an old one. |
| 01:11:59 | chaos | i found the rockbox.ipod (ipod file) |
| 01:12:23 | chaos | so i just dump it in the rockbox file? |
| 01:12:32 | chaos | or do i copy? |
| 01:12:54 | Nico_P | chaos: move the one that's in the .rockbox dir to the root |
| 01:13:59 | chaos | but i already have 1 file exactly the same name (do i replace it) |
| 01:14:22 | Nico_P | exactly, yes, replace it. that file is an ld one |
| 01:14:25 | chaos | in the root |
| 01:14:26 | Nico_P | old* |
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| 01:15:31 | chaos | gonna try it ... thx |
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| 01:15:50 | robin0800 | delete the one in the root keep the on in .rockbox |
| 01:15:56 | Nico_P | chaos: this will probably work but you need to update your bootloader |
| 01:16:19 | Nico_P | otherwise you'll need to do this everytime you update rockbox |
| 01:16:47 | chaos | what does updating bootlader do and what is the reason to this please explain |
| 01:16:57 | chaos | ahh |
| 01:17:03 | Febs | Just run this program: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/win32/ipodpatcher.exe |
| 01:17:27 | chaos | is there any way to reduce the brightness of rockbox? |
| 01:18:02 | Soap | there is a patch in the patch tracker to allow brightness changes on the ipods. |
| 01:18:33 | Soap | until someone tells me it is safe for the hardware (which it very well might be) I'm scared to use it. |
| 01:18:57 | Soap | it (the patch) also causes problems with some plugins / viewers unless you leave it at maximum brightness. |
| 01:19:33 | chaos | hmm ... i updated my firmware of my ipod to 1.2 i can change the brightness through there but not on rockbnox tho |
| 01:20:20 | robin0800 | not sure its completly up to date and doom dosn't work if its not set to maximum thus not very useful imho |
| 01:21:00 | Soap | chaos: the brightness is software controlled, thus no changes made in Apple's software will carry-over to Rockbox's software. |
| 01:21:15 | chaos | i know ^^ |
| 01:21:38 | chaos | ok now ... my mpeg player lags at watching videos any way to solve this |
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| 01:22:52 | Soap | which ipod? |
| 01:23:20 | chaos | ipod video |
| 01:23:23 | chaos | 5g |
| 01:23:30 | chaos | 60gb |
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| 01:24:14 | chaos | Febs: u gave me a link http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/win32/ipodpatcher.exe i downloaded it sucessfully now what do i do? |
| 01:24:22 | Febs | Run it. |
| 01:25:07 | chaos | then it'll automatically update the rockbox? |
| 01:25:44 | Soap | chaos: the 5G is going to play full width videos very slowly. |
| 01:25:57 | Febs | It will give you a choice of three options. Select "i" to install the most recent bootloader. |
| 01:26:56 | chaos | Soap: so is there a wat to increase the refresh rate |
| 01:27:03 | chaos | febs: thx |
| 01:27:34 | Soap | encode at a framerate equal-to or lower than what the player's hardware can handle. :( |
| 01:27:39 | chaos | way* |
| 01:27:56 | chaos | encode using vlc? |
| 01:28:39 | Soap | ffmpeg appears to do non-standard frame-rates. |
| 01:29:08 | chaos | any link to download it? |
| 01:30:16 | Kolya33 | Now does an LCD use more power when it shows a white screen or when it shows a black screen? |
| 01:30:44 | Soap | chaos: LL made a thread introducing it in the forums, I also believe it is covered in the pluginmpegplayer wikipage. |
| 01:30:56 | Soap | Kolya33: insignificant. |
| 01:31:12 | Kolya33 | Oh okay, thanks Soap! |
| 01:32:00 | chaos | Soap: first of all i cannot use VLC to convert can i use other programs to convert? ... btw what formats of videos can rockbox handle |
| 01:32:40 | Soap | mpeg 1 or mpeg 2 video muxed with mp2 or mp3 audio. |
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| 01:33:33 | Soap | chaos: you can use ffmpeg, or winFF as a front-end for ffmpeg. Since you need non-standard framerates to watch on the ipod 5th gen, you really should use ffmpeg. |
| 01:34:06 | chaos | ffmpeg also converts vieos to those formats? |
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| 01:34:55 | Soap | oh yes |
| 01:36:12 | chaos | so i shoudl be using winFF instead of ffmpeg right? or they have different function |
| 01:37:06 | Soap | winFF is a front-end for ffmpeg |
| 01:38:05 | chaos | what does that mean? |
| 01:39:36 | H10_007quick | lol |
| 01:40:19 | chaos | umm ... |
| 01:40:59 | chaos | i got a link for it http://biggmatt.com/winff/downloads/winff-version-0.28.html |
| 01:41:32 | Febs | chaos: there are step-by-step instructions here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#Using_WinFF_Windows_Linux |
| 01:41:53 | Febs | There is also a link to download presets that you can use that are specific to Rockbox. |
| 01:42:35 | chaos | wow thx |
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| 01:43:12 | chaos | i came to that site about 2weeks ago and it want there lol |
| 01:44:15 | chaos | ok now i want to delete VLC so i clean vlc but some vlc fles are still i my rockboxf folder and some are in the root so i amnually delete them right? |
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| 01:49:46 | chaos | i wana ask something ... when i chicked on database i beleive a list of things come out and it says something about connecting to o proecessor (is there somethjing wrong)? |
| 01:50:02 | chaos | co-processor* |
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| 02:06:05 | bazz | in a .cfg file, how do the values for foreground: and background: map to rgb values? |
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| 02:19:29 | Febs | bazz: the settings run from 000000 to FFFFFF and are RRGGBB. |
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| 02:24:20 | chaos | whcn i clicked on database then it ays someting about co processor ...wwat does it mean? |
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| 02:26:40 | bazz | Febs: okay, thanks |
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| 02:27:52 | Febs | chaos: I am not aware of any such message. |
| 02:27:54 | chaos | ok i gtg laters |
| 02:28:06 | chaos | umm it says rolo |
| 02:28:15 | chaos | then a list appears |
| 02:28:29 | Febs | "rolo" and "co-process" are not at all similar. What exactly are you clicking on? |
| 02:28:52 | chaos | it says rolo and then my rockbox get stuck |
| 02:29:23 | Febs | Read my last question. |
| 02:29:28 | donutman25 | i'm trying to edit the mpegplayer plugin for sansa |
| 02:29:32 | donutman25 | can someone tell me where to find the specific piece of code that makes in exit in the mpegplayer.c file please? |
| 02:30:35 | Llorean | "makes in exit"? |
| 02:31:09 | donutman25 | oh sorry, i mean makes the plugin exit |
| 02:32:06 | Llorean | Well, there's several exit conditions |
| 02:32:15 | Llorean | If a file ends, if you press stop, if you choose to quit from the menu |
| 02:32:52 | donutman25 | could you please tell me the one for quitting from the menu |
| 02:32:59 | chaos | u talking about my problem? |
| 02:33:14 | chaos | ok now i know |
| 02:33:17 | Llorean | I don't know it. :) Just pointing out that your question still needed some fine tuning for someone who does know to be able to answer. |
| 02:33:24 | chaos | ok i gtg .. laters |
| 02:33:27 | Llorean | chaos: No, you never answered Febs' question, so you can't be helped further |
| 02:33:46 | donutman25 | thanks anyway |
| 02:34:21 | chaos | i clicked on database (on rockbox) then a list appears and it gets stuck all i can remember it saying was ROLO |
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| 02:34:49 | Llorean | chaos: Well, do it again so you can tell us exactly what it says, both what it lists, and the error message. |
| 02:35:02 | Llorean | Because there's nothing normally associated with database that says "ROLO"\ |
| 02:36:14 | chaos | ok i 'll tell u |
| 02:41:17 | chaos | i clicked on rockbox(an x icon) it says: ROLO ... Loading Waiting for coprocessor ... (it stops there) |
| 02:41:33 | Llorean | So, you didn't click on database |
| 02:41:59 | Llorean | What you just did was click on a rockbox.ipod (or rockbox.h10 or rockbox.e200, I don't know which player you have), and it tried to load that file |
| 02:42:00 | chaos | i did it loads up and quits by itself |
| 02:42:22 | Llorean | You clicked on the Rockbox file, NOT database. |
| 02:42:24 | chaos | on ipod video 60gb ... it does nothing right? |
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| 02:42:32 | Llorean | Or are you saying you also clicked on database? |
| 02:42:40 | Llorean | You really need to be clear about what exactly you did, we can't read your mind |
| 02:42:58 | chaos | my bad |
| 02:42:58 | Llorean | Clicking on the rockbox.ipod file is pointless right now, and the instructions very definitely do not tell you to do so for using the database |
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| 02:43:34 | chaos | ok thx thats all i want to hear =) |
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| 02:47:03 | z1pher | Hi everyone. Do you guys know whether there's a way to exit the hard disk mode on the Ipod? My ipod's screen is monochrome and it has a check mark with this message below it: "ok to disconnect". Thank you! |
| 02:47:37 | Soap | is the USB/Firewire cable plugged in? |
| 02:47:47 | z1pher | Yep, it is. |
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| 02:48:04 | z1pher | But, I wouldn't do that before |
| 02:48:20 | z1pher | it |
| 02:48:25 | Soap | it used to automaticly reboot upon ejection from (I assume) Windows? |
| 02:48:35 | z1pher | linux |
| 02:48:48 | z1pher | and I use gtkpod |
| 02:49:12 | z1pher | and yes it used to :S |
| 02:49:28 | Soap | that's all a function of Apple's firmware... |
| 02:49:41 | z1pher | problems started when I had to boot into "disk mode" to install rockbox |
| 02:49:46 | Soap | menu+select will force a reboot on 4th gen up. |
| 02:49:55 | z1pher | since then, I don't know how to get back into "normal" mode lol |
| 02:50:43 | z1pher | hmm, it restarts, but the ugly black&white screen is still there :\ |
| 02:51:21 | z1pher | What does usually happen when you are charging your ipod with rockbox installed? |
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| 02:52:59 | z1pher | right now, my ipod is being charged up and it has a ugly "do not disconnect" message in the middle of the screen. However, the screen is not supposed to be black&white, is it? |
| 02:53:11 | Llorea1 | Yes, it is. |
| 02:53:12 | z1pher | an* |
| 02:53:23 | Llorea1 | Rockbox reboots into 'emergency disk mode' upon USB connection |
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| 02:54:09 | Soap | (which is B/W regardless of your ipod) |
| 02:54:18 | z1pher | I see. So the ugly screen is totaly normal? |
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| 02:54:30 | Soap | yea |
| 02:54:34 | z1pher | Ok, thank you very much for the info! |
| 02:54:55 | z1pher | I thought I had screwed up my ipod oO |
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| 04:23:04 | plus_M | When I try to play .gb or .gbc games on my 60GB 5th gen iPod I get an "Incompatible Version" error |
| 04:25:49 | Soap | that error is common when your rockbox.ipod doesn't match the plugins in your .rockbox directory. |
| 04:26:29 | plus_M | I replaced the plugins directory and the rockbox.ipod just today |
| 04:26:29 | Soap | (and I like your style, not saying "Can I ask a question?") |
| 04:26:35 | plus_M | Thanks |
| 04:27:07 | plus_M | I do notice that the wiki said something about rockboy not appearing in your plugins list |
| 04:27:20 | Soap | rockbox is in the viewers directory, not plugins. |
| 04:27:27 | plus_M | Ah |
| 04:27:29 | plus_M | That may be it then |
| 04:27:38 | Soap | why didn't you replace the entire .rockbox directory? |
| 04:27:54 | plus_M | I was afraid of losing some settings |
| 04:27:56 | plus_M | And themes |
| 04:28:58 | Soap | if you unzip ontop of the existing structure it will only overwrite the individial files, not the entire directory wholesale. |
| 04:29:03 | Soap | codecs get updated too. |
| 04:29:09 | plus_M | Well |
| 04:29:12 | plus_M | I suppose |
| 04:29:31 | Soap | lot easier than picking out every changed file individually. |
| 04:29:47 | Soap | (then wondering why things don't work) ;) |
| 04:29:52 | plus_M | Good point |
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| 04:38:09 | plus_M | Well that was fun |
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| 04:45:03 | Shaun2 | Does anyone know where the 80gb port is getting worked on? |
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| 04:51:42 | JerryLange | you should ask that question when there are more devs on |
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| 04:52:14 | Llorea1 | Shaun2: What do you mean by "where"? |
| 04:52:32 | Shaun2 | Well in feb is was said that the issues are worked out and whatnot, thread was closed. |
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| 04:52:41 | Shaun2 | It's April and haven't seen a peep. |
| 04:52:46 | Shaun2 | I have to assume they're working somewhere. |
| 04:52:50 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 04:53:02 | Llorean | Rockbox's FAT32 driver needs to be rewritten |
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| 04:58:41 | JerryLange | that will probably take a long time i would imagine |
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| 05:00:17 | Llorean | Yeah. If I understand correctly, because Rockbox's driver was written more or less from the ground up based on certain assumptions, it's quite some effort to fix it. Our driver's a lot smaller and more limited than the iPL one, which is why the fix isn't nearly as easy, ours was designed for performance on these limited environments. (If I've got it correctly) |
| 05:02:07 | JerryLange | are some of the ipl people helping with the rewright? I know dataghost is on the rockbox forums |
| 05:02:54 | JerryLange | write* |
| 05:03:34 | Llorean | The rewrite is mostly a one-person job. |
| 05:03:46 | Llorean | The hard part isn't the 80gb specific parts of it. |
| 05:04:14 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 05:04:19 | Llorean | It's known what needs to be done, the hard part is just that it's a bit of a task, and people do have other things going on in their lives. |
| 05:05:48 | JerryLange | I plan on getting the 80gig towards the end of april begining of may. |
| 05:06:10 | Llorean | The iPod really isn't the best Rockbox player. |
| 05:06:20 | Llorean | Unless you have a specific reason to want it, you might want to consider one of the other ones. |
| 05:07:24 | JerryLange | I need a lot of space. |
| 05:08:29 | Soap | get a iriver and drop a 60 in it. |
| 05:08:37 | Soap | (an iRiver) |
| 05:08:39 | Llorean | Or get a Gigabeat F60 |
| 05:08:44 | Soap | that too. |
| 05:08:51 | Llorean | Or an iRiver H140, or Gigabeat F40 and buy an 80gb drive for it. :) |
| 05:08:55 | Soap | Llorean is a brute. |
| 05:09:12 | Llorean | Apparently I'm shortened to "LL" when I'm not looking. :-P |
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| 05:10:01 | JerryLange | whats wrong with the ipods? |
| 05:10:39 | Llorean | Poor battery life, slow processor causing some performance limitations primarily. |
| 05:10:51 | JerryLange | or maybe i should say whats not wrong with the ipods?:) |
| 05:11:07 | plus_M | Like in Rockboy |
| 05:11:09 | plus_M | heh |
| 05:11:17 | Llorean | The iPods will be able to do music playback just fine, the menus may react slowly while music is playing. |
| 05:11:19 | plus_M | Man was that slow... |
| 05:11:42 | Llorean | As well, you may or may not be able to make full use of the equalizer, though once the coprocessor is working right this should improve. |
| 05:12:03 | Llorean | Video in Rockbox on a 5G iPod is basically minimalistic, you won't get good framerates at all. |
| 05:12:14 | Soap | I'm so used to LL <tab> ;) forgive me. |
| 05:12:26 | Llorean | Basically, it'll do fine as a Music Player, but a lot of the "extra" features of Rockbox won't work as well as they do elsewhere. |
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| 05:13:08 | JerryLange | Is there any way to improve this? Probably take a long time if it is possible. |
| 05:13:20 | Llorean | Improve what part of it? |
| 05:13:28 | Llorean | Music functionality will likely get much better. |
| 05:13:47 | Llorean | Battery life depends on someone discovering where the drain is: Likely to happen one day, but no way to predict if it'll be tomorrow or two years from now |
| 05:14:00 | Llorean | It's not something poorly coded, it's a case of unknown hardware most likely |
| 05:14:51 | Llorean | Video will probably never get as good as the original firmware unless someone gets ambitious and figures out how to use the broadcom chip, not something likely to come from the core team since optimizing the main video player will help more targets overall, and video isn't really a core focus anyway (though it may become more of one now that it's getting spiffy) |
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| 05:17:02 | JerryLange | And there is no info on the broadcom chip. What ever happened to that guy talking to his teacher who worked for Nvidia? |
| 05:17:33 | Llorean | That wouldn't help with the Broadcom chip anyway, even if something had happened. |
| 05:17:45 | Llorean | NVidia owns PortalPlayer, which is a different hting. |
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| 05:19:18 | JerryLange | oh ok. i misunderstood then. |
| 05:19:49 | Llorean | It's very unlikely that we'll ever receive useful information from PortalPlayer/NVidia in my personal opinion. |
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| 05:22:50 | JerryLange | the biggest memory size for a sansa is 8gb? |
| 05:23:08 | Llorean | Yes |
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| 05:31:05 | JerryLange | how are the gigabeat builds for performance? how do they hold up to the other rockbox players? |
| 05:31:30 | aliask | JerryLange: The gigabeats are the best performing rockbox target in terms of raw power |
| 05:32:24 | Llorean | JerryLange: If you want Video, the Gigabeat is really your only viable choice. |
| 05:32:48 | JerryLange | I could care less about video honestly |
| 05:33:01 | Llorean | In terms of audio functionality, the iRiver H100 and H300 series, and the iAudio X5/M5 players perform about as well, just because the needs of those features plateaus and so all of those and the Gigabeat surpass that. |
| 05:36:29 | Overand | Llorean: is there expected to be an 'improvement' in UI speed (mostly just scroll-through-file-list, really) in the ipod G5? |
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| 05:37:05 | Llorean | Overand: When coprocessor support is working as intended, it should be much improved. Basically, music shouldn't slow down list scrolling at all |
| 05:37:15 | Llorean | That combined with improved list scrolling code should help greatly |
| 05:37:35 | Overand | Llorean: list scrolling is slow when there's no music playing - in fact, list scrolling is *fine* when there's music that just started |
| 05:37:43 | JerryLange | Does rockbox currently supposrt the 60gb? The MES60VK? |
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| 05:37:57 | Llorean | Overand: Notice I said combined with improved list scrolling code. |
| 05:37:59 | Overand | (from talking to you or someone else here i discovered that it was probably due to the core clock cranking up) |
| 05:38:02 | Overand | Llorean: =] |
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| 05:38:31 | Llorean | Right now list scrolling is "medium" when no audio is on, "Fastish" when the CPU is boosted for audio, and "damn slow" when the CPU isn't boosted but audio is playing |
| 05:38:56 | Overand | yeah, that sounds right |
| 05:39:17 | Overand | oh, i had that lock-up again, but that was about 5 days ago |
| 05:39:38 | Llorean | Improved list code should give you a nice scroll speed during no-audio, and moving audio to the coprocessor properly should keep audio from being able to slow down scrolling ever. |
| 05:39:50 | Llorean | Both of these things are expected to happen eventually |
| 05:39:52 | Overand | and the UI locked at 'disk active' - and the backlight would still respond, the disc was spun down, an d nothing responded other than the select+menu reboot |
| 05:40:45 | Overand | it happened after the player started *not* getting tags, it was skipping through the playlist, displaying a filename briefly, then going to the next one - i'll update again when i have time and will see if it's still happening |
| 05:41:48 | JerryLange | how big is the space on the Toshiba Gigabeat F ? |
| 05:41:56 | JerryLange | memory size* |
| 05:42:02 | Llorean | Anywhere from 10 to 60 depending on model |
| 05:42:37 | JerryLange | Which are supported by rockbox? |
| 05:42:50 | Llorean | All of them? |
| 05:43:10 | Llorean | The 80gb iPod has a "weird" drive, which is the only reason it isn't supported |
| 05:43:24 | Llorean | On other players, the different size drives don't make a difference. |
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| 05:56:48 | sslashes | hello all |
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| 05:58:07 | sslashes | anyone taken a look at the wiki parge describing the current ideas/thoughts on my ui proposal? |
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| 06:02:46 | sslashes | well, anyway - if anyone is interested, some comments on the current contents of the page would be great: http://www.roox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ViewDrawinghttp://www.roox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ViewDrawing |
| 06:02:54 | hen3rz | sslashes link? |
| 06:03:12 | hen3rz | lol dw |
| 06:03:34 | hen3rz | wait yeah ur link is wack |
| 06:03:41 | sslashes | hm, about that http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ViewDrawing |
| 06:03:51 | Llorean | sslashes: I still don't like the idea of the WPS being a sub-folder of the theme. I really value mix&matching a WPS with a browser/settings backdrop, which in my opinion should extend to mix and matching WPS, Browser Style, and Settings style |
| 06:04:49 | Llorean | Currently it's very easy to use the WPS from one theme with the backdrop for the browser from another |
| 06:05:16 | Llorean | I'm not sure "ease of installation" is a large concern, because at the moment RBUtil can automatically install themes, and this functionality can be used for any new theme format. |
| 06:05:30 | Llorean | Instead the concentration, in my personal opinion, needs to be on flexibility of use, rather than ease of install. |
| 06:05:36 | sslashes | sory about that, whenever i paist the rockbox link into irssi it removes the "ckb |
| 06:05:45 | Llorean | You can't get much easer than "Point and click" in the end, anyway :) |
| 06:05:49 | sslashes | (aparently those characters are special in irssi) |
| 06:05:59 | sslashes | Llorean: very true |
| 06:06:19 | sslashes | you would rather the was no "theme_1" |
| 06:06:33 | sslashes | hm, let me mock up something and see if we are on the same page |
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| 06:07:40 | Llorean | With your setup, one should be able to pick a browsing.draw, a settings.draw and a playing.draw separately, from different themes, if they really want to. |
| 06:07:52 | Llorean | Or load a backdrop on its own for either of the list-style viewers. |
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| 06:08:31 | Llorean | As far as I'm concerned, backdrops are separate from everything else anyway. I have a text-WPS that I change the backdrop on from time to time anyway, and you can do that with many of the graphical ones as well. |
| 06:08:47 | Llorean | But anyway, this is just my personal opinion: How I like to use these things |
| 06:09:14 | JerryLange | I noticed when you change themes from a theme with a backdrop to a theme with a backround color the backround color is not set and the backdrop stays the same. |
| 06:09:50 | Llorean | JerryLange: Yeah, there are a few problems regarding backdrops, specifically regarding un-setting them. |
| 06:10:30 | JerryLange | yeah it sucks when you set one with black color backround and have black text. I use the simulator to figure out how to get a different theme. |
| 06:10:51 | hen3rz | lol that happend to me today |
| 06:11:06 | JerryLange | Although with the new menu I can do it by memory now. less keypresses it seems |
| 06:11:44 | hen3rz | the current wps system needs a font scalling feature bad |
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| 06:12:47 | Llorean | hen3rz: Why does it "need" a scaling feature? |
| 06:12:47 | sslashes | Llorean: check the wiki again |
| 06:12:57 | Llorean | hen3rz: If you don't like the font size, pick a different sized font. |
| 06:13:26 | sslashes | Llorean: if the new drawing system allows for different font sized, a scaling feature might be useful |
| 06:13:33 | hen3rz | yes but certain font sizes are more appropriate for things like browsing and others are more appropriate for viewing wps information |
| 06:13:43 | Llorean | hen3rz: Then you support multiple fonts. |
| 06:14:05 | Llorean | Being bitmapped fonts, scaling them to arbitrary sizes is not an easy feature. |
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| 06:14:16 | Llorean | sslashes: I like the first modified one better. |
| 06:14:24 | hen3rz | i see |
| 06:14:28 | JerryLange | what is the difference between this viewdrawing and the single tar file wps's? |
| 06:14:31 | Llorean | sslashes: Allows more than one person to name something "play.bmp" without conflict. |
| 06:14:35 | scorche | Llorean: soooo...almost the 4th ;) |
| 06:15:07 | Llorean | scorche: Aye, I wish I knew how many we had. |
| 06:15:18 | scorche | well, you probably will in a few hours |
| 06:15:23 | Llorean | Indeed |
| 06:15:36 | Llorean | Though they really don't have to do it until 11:59 PM their time |
| 06:15:53 | sslashes | JerryLange: the idea is to be able to customize all screens of the UI (not just the playing screen) - additionally, pixel based positioning is desirable since it would allow fot font family/size changing w/o unalining it with the background image |
| 06:16:06 | sslashes | i would also like to speed up ui reponse =) |
| 06:16:18 | JerryLange | so this is something totaly different? |
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| 06:16:55 | sslashes | i'm not sure that is completely decided - i would like to find a way (somehow) to allow backwards compatability to an extent |
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| 06:17:02 | sslashes | but the scheme would be very new |
| 06:17:28 | sslashes | i have not talked to many people besides Llorean about this |
| 06:17:43 | JerryLange | the one thing i dont like about the themes now is when you delete a theme (theme.cfg) to remove it it really is still on your player (theme folder and backrounds) |
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| 06:18:36 | sslashes | JerryLange: that comes down to how the folders are structured - there are now three ideas on the wiki |
| 06:18:40 | sslashes | feel free to add an idea |
| 06:18:47 | JerryLange | yeah im looking at it |
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| 06:21:15 | Llorean | Compiled themes (such as .theme files) might be workable so long as a "Theme" menu category allowed you to "Load WPS" or "Load Menu Backdrop", where you picked a .theme, and it just used that aspect of it. |
| 06:23:07 | sslashes | Llorean: what do you think of Rockbox itself compiling the theme using a JIT compiler the first time it is loaded and saving that in a "compiled" folder? |
| 06:24:16 | Llorean | sslashes: My preference was actually for it only saving a temporary compiled one, the "current theme", and using a JIT compile when themes were changed. That way theme loading on later boots is faster, but you don't get a bunch of compiled files for various themes (or combinations of theme parts) |
| 06:25:14 | sslashes | Llorean: fair enough - that actually sounds like a good idea |
| 06:25:33 | sslashes | (the actually was not meant to imply that good ideas do not normally come from you =) |
| 06:25:41 | Llorean | Hehehe, I figured. :) |
| 06:27:11 | sslashes | what enviornment do most devs use for rockbox source? |
| 06:27:27 | scorche | do you mean ide, or actual environment? |
| 06:27:34 | sslashes | ide |
| 06:28:37 | Llorean | For the about 20 lines of code I've contributed, I've used ConTEXT. ;) |
| 06:29:02 | scorche | i have heard some use eclipse, and some use kate |
| 06:29:14 | scorche | but it seems that most use an editor liek emacs, vi, etc |
| 06:29:30 | JerryLange | Llorean: didnt you do the left to wps patch? |
| 06:29:35 | Llorean | JerryLange: Nope |
| 06:29:40 | Llorean | In fact, I'm firmly against it. |
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| 06:30:07 | JerryLange | hmm I wonder why I thought you did. :S |
| 06:30:30 | sslashes | Llorean: who would be the people most influencial in regards to my proposal? |
| 06:31:29 | Llorean | sslashes: The europoeans. Bagder, Amiconn... maybe Nico_P since he's been doing a lot of WPS-related work. |
| 06:31:39 | Llorean | JerryLange: People seem to think I've done a lot more than I have. |
| 06:34:42 | JerryLange | I would imagine you have to be a developer to go to the devcon meeting? |
| 06:35:00 | Llorean | It's mainly intended for developers |
| 06:35:53 | Llorean | Last year a lot of work toward the 3.0 release (that kinda fell apart several months down the line) happened during it. |
| 06:36:13 | JerryLange | I think itd be cool to listen to what they all have to say. |
| 06:36:28 | scorche | actually, wasnt the feature freeze decided to happen there? |
| 06:36:34 | Llorean | I wish I could go, but I just don't really have enough money to spare. |
| 06:36:42 | scorche | same |
| 06:36:47 | Llorean | scorche: I believe the list of objectives for the feature freeze was decided there. |
| 06:36:50 | scorche | i would love to go to sweden, and this is a good excuse |
| 06:37:11 | Llorean | Well, I hear that we might be discussing another release attempt, and I have a lot to say on that matter. ;) |
| 06:37:20 | Llorean | And I wouldn't mind trying my hand at release-coordinator. |
| 06:37:55 | scorche | well, if i magically somehow scrounge up the money to go, i can be your mouthpiece ;) |
| 06:38:01 | scorche | (and maybe bring back a shirt) |
| 06:38:23 | JerryLange | i see that rockbox has pretty much started on 3.1 now. most of the stuff in 3.0 is done except a couple things. |
| 06:38:23 | scorche | i saw it a much cheaper if i take a flight to, say, NY and then go from there, but it is still pricey |
| 06:38:29 | sslashes | i am heading to europe this summer (July) - i wish it was later ;P |
| 06:38:57 | Llorean | JerryLange: Yeah, and if those 3.0 things get finished, we can slap a 3.0 number on a build and call it a day. :) |
| 06:39:29 | JerryLange | That would be awesome |
| 06:39:46 | Llorean | But really, new objectives are likely to be set for a 3.0 release anyway. |
| 06:39:54 | Llorean | Not necessarily making it harder to achieve, mind you |
| 06:40:00 | Llorean | But new bugs and such have cropped up |
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| 06:40:47 | Llorean | It's also likely that a 3.0 release will have less "features" than the current build. Things like the AAC codec, which is quite below the standards set by the other codecs, could very well not be included since they aren't release-ready, I think. |
| 06:41:47 | JerryLange | The one thing im waiting for is the Light versions (strippeddown themes and other stuff) |
| 06:42:02 | Llorean | There's unlikely to be a light version |
| 06:42:06 | Llorean | Besides, what would you strip out? |
| 06:42:14 | scorche | doom |
| 06:42:44 | Llorean | Well yeah, but that's not a "light" version, that's a "I deleted my plugins folder" version. |
| 06:42:50 | Llorean | It's not any lighter, really |
| 06:43:21 | JerryLange | wps font and themes |
| 06:43:34 | Llorean | Again those are all just files you can delete. |
| 06:43:47 | JerryLange | i usually remove them myself before i install them but its just one less thing i have to do :) |
| 06:43:48 | Llorean | All it'd really do is save you a few hundred kilobytes of disk space. |
| 06:43:59 | Llorean | And we don't include _any_ fonts as it is. |
| 06:44:19 | scorche | Llorean: that is just the first that pops to mind when someone says remove |
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| 06:44:40 | Llorean | Yeah |
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| 06:45:07 | Llorean | I just think of a "light" build as a functionally reduced one, since the disk space impact of removing most of those things is incredibly minimal on anything we support just about |
| 06:45:30 | scorche | i think the same, but like i said...first thing ;) |
| 06:45:43 | scorche | personally, i guess i already ahve a "light version" with tagcache |
| 06:45:46 | scorche | errr...database |
| 06:46:36 | cadu | i'm experiencing some battery draining thing here in my gigabeat |
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| 06:46:58 | cadu | even if i power it down, the battery seems to keep draining at a much higher rate than expected |
| 06:47:35 | cadu | today i turned my player off at 48% charge, slept , ate, 7 hours later i turn it on , 20% battery remaining |
| 06:47:39 | tdawgedogg | hey how do i get this 5g video ipod back into rockbox after i switched it back to reg firmware? |
| 06:47:53 | sslashes | cadu: sure it is not a battery metering problem? |
| 06:48:00 | cadu | sure |
| 06:48:24 | sslashes | tdawgedogg: hardreset |
| 06:48:26 | cadu | i've already played with the player in these conditions a few times and the battery got really drained |
| 06:48:36 | tdawgedogg | how do i do a hard reset? |
| 06:48:48 | cadu | feels like when i press power the player doesn't shuts off completely, instead something keeps on, draining battery slowly |
| 06:49:14 | cadu | btw , a bunch of times , when i press the ON button again, a screen (from the OF i think) appears , saying "Recharge Battery" |
| 06:49:24 | sslashes | tdawgedogg: google.com/search?q=ipod+hard+reset |
| 06:49:26 | Llorean | cadu: It sounds like your battery is dying. |
| 06:49:32 | Llorean | cadu: I have no behaviour like this at all |
| 06:49:34 | sslashes | first result |
| 06:50:09 | cadu | when that screen appears, the screen turns black again, and if i press ON again rockbox starts normally |
| 06:50:32 | cadu | Llorean, i thought about this too, but it's improbable on a 3 week old player, that's why it got me thinking... |
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| 06:51:10 | Llorean | cadu: It's also improbably that Rockbox is working completely differently on your player than it does on anyone else's. |
| 06:51:16 | Llorean | cadu: Perhaps you should test the original firmware for a while |
| 06:51:37 | Llorean | Also, remember, Lithium batteries performance is based on both their manufacture data and the conditions they have been stored in. |
| 06:51:47 | Llorean | A 3-week old player doesn't tell you anything about either of those. |
| 06:52:00 | webguest35 | Are any of the new port proposals being considered for the SoC? |
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| 06:52:18 | Llorean | webguest35: Every application for the SoC has been considered. |
| 06:52:24 | scorche | webguest35: all proposals are being considered... |
| 06:52:30 | scorche | bah...slow |
| 06:53:05 | cadu | Llorean, manufacture data, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 06:53:06 | cadu | got it |
| 06:53:09 | cadu | that could be it |
| 06:53:38 | webguest35 | Is that the way of saying that you're not going to give out any detailed information? :) |
| 06:53:44 | cadu | this player is NEW, but manufactured like 1 year and half ago |
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| 06:53:58 | sslashes | cadu: thats not abnormal |
| 06:54:03 | tdawgedogg | sslashes: whenever i charge my 5g ipod video via wall outlet it has to be turned on...so whens its charging its on for like 6 hours. When I go to use it the battery is only 75% of the way charged cause the damn thing is on while its charging...Can i turn it off and charge it like the orginal ipod firmware? This is why i switch to the default ipod firm to charge it |
| 06:54:04 | Llorean | And the general "lifetime" of a Lithium battery is often considered to be ~2 years |
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| 06:54:24 | cadu | as i said, japan is filled with 'recycle stores' which sell mostly used stuff, and new stuff returned from customers or bought cheap from stores that didn't sell everything. |
| 06:54:27 | Llorean | tdawgedogg: The original iPod firmware is on while it's charging too. |
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| 06:54:49 | Llorean | Rockbox just uses more power, as everyone who's done some reading of the FAQs should know |
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| 06:55:15 | Llorean | webguest35: Yeah, public announcement will happen when things are finalized. |
| 06:55:17 | tdawgedogg | well shit when its charging it should get full battery |
| 06:55:19 | cadu | i got mine like, 3 weeks ago from one of those recycle stores, it was marked as 'new' (and japanese businessmen are trustable), but it must have stayed there for a year , doing nothing on the shelf |
| 06:55:21 | cadu | :) |
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| 06:55:24 | sslashes | tdawgedogg: the orgional disk mode firmware is loaded durring charge |
| 06:55:39 | Llorean | sslashes: Not from a wall adapter |
| 06:55:46 | Llorean | tdawgedogg: Mine charges to full just fine. |
| 06:55:48 | cadu | is there some place that sells battery replacements for toshibas ? |
| 06:55:57 | scorche | Llorean: i seem to remember something about 400 cycles.. |
| 06:55:57 | Llorean | tdawgedogg: But if you know how to solve the power consumption problem, we'd love to hear it. |
| 06:55:58 | webguest35 | Llorean: okay, thanks |
| 06:55:59 | tdawgedogg | its a wall adapter with a old firewire cable |
| 06:55:59 | sslashes | Llorean: good point |
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| 06:56:40 | lachlan-mc | Llorean: What size (inches) is the hardrive in the Gigabeat f10? |
| 06:56:45 | tdawgedogg | o shit and when i connect it to my car usb it cycles on and off on and off and i cant charge it while listening....well i cant even charge it i dont think |
| 06:56:55 | Llorean | lachlan-mc: I believe they're 1.85" drives. |
| 06:56:58 | tdawgedogg | i read something about holding the menu button when i plug the usb cable in |
| 06:57:04 | JerryLange | when you charge your ipod when its "on" and then you unplug it does it turn on by itself? |
| 06:57:05 | Llorean | tdawgedogg: Yes, do that |
| 06:57:28 | lachlan-mc | Llorean: Would it be possible to transplant an 80Gb drive into an f10? |
| 06:57:38 | Llorean | scorche: I thought they were more like 1200, but I don't really know. Charge cycles aren't really as important as the heat generated while charging, I believe. |
| 06:57:45 | Llorean | lachlan-mc: No |
| 06:57:55 | JerryLange | too bad it cant be like my cell phone. plug it in when its dead or off and it turns half way on just to change and when you unplug it it turns itself off |
| 06:58:00 | Llorean | lachlan-mc: Anything 20gb or less is a single platter, the 40 and 60 are dual platter, a bit thicker case to fit a thicker drive |
| 06:58:03 | tdawgedogg | ok let me go out to my car and try it right now...brb in a bit guys |
| 06:58:19 | Llorean | scorche: Hey, wikipedia says 1200 on li-ion! |
| 06:58:28 | cadu | Llorean, when it's fully charged, it really lasts for about 14 hours (the same as another f20 in the battery tests), but turn it off and let it there for 5 hours and i lose like 15% battery :( |
| 06:58:31 | scorche | heh...alright =) |
| 06:58:31 | lachlan-mc | Llorean: So it would be possible to put an 80GB harddrive in an f40 then? |
| 06:58:43 | Llorean | cadu: Do you live someplace warm/hot? |
| 06:58:56 | Llorean | lachlan-mc: Should be, so long as you find a compatible hard drive (right connector) |
| 06:59:38 | cadu | no, always fair |
| 06:59:53 | cadu | like now....approx. 15C |
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| 07:00:01 | lachlan-mc | Llorean: I'm guessing the drive out of an 80GB iPod wouldn't work? |
| 07:00:10 | Llorean | cadu: Then as I suggested, try the original firmware for a bit to see if it shows the same symptoms |
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| 07:00:22 | Llorean | lachlan-mc: Probably not, no. |
| 07:00:46 | cadu | Llorean, will try, (fear) didn't even use it ahahahah |
| 07:00:52 | Llorean | I don't know which sort of connector the Gigabeat drive has, but I *think* it's not the ZIF connectors the iPods use |
| 07:01:04 | cadu | got the player, so happy that now i have a rockbox target, just rockboxed it :P |
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| 07:01:58 | lachlan-mc | Llorean: Do the F or X series of Gigabeats come in a 60GB variety, or is that only the S series? |
| 07:02:31 | Llorean | F does for sure |
| 07:02:34 | Llorean | I'm not sure about X |
| 07:02:39 | Llorean | i believe it does as well. |
| 07:03:06 | cadu | Llorean, btw, do you know something about battery replacements for these beasts ? :) |
| 07:03:11 | cadu | or 'hacked' ones :) |
| 07:03:36 | cadu | like metal bubblegum case + AA + 5v converter + plug or something like that |
| 07:03:51 | Llorean | Unfortunately, no I do not. |
| 07:03:52 | lachlan-mc | I've been looking out for Gigabeats for ages now and never seen an f60. Is there anyway to get them besides eBay? |
| 07:04:01 | Llorean | lachlan-mc: I don't believe so |
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| 07:05:32 | lachlan-mc | Llorean: :( |
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| 07:08:28 | Johtaja_ | Any1 know how i could change the sensetivity of the wheel in rockbox? |
| 07:08:45 | Llorean | You can't. |
| 07:08:54 | Johtaja_ | Why not? |
| 07:09:03 | Llorean | Because nobody has programmed that yet. |
| 07:09:07 | Llorean | Feel free to submit a patch if you'd like to |
| 07:09:11 | Johtaja_ | shiit |
| 07:09:14 | Johtaja_ | ok |
| 07:09:17 | Johtaja_ | ill try. |
| 07:09:35 | cadu | Llorean, btw i'm progressing on the pt-br translation, when it's done, where can i send it in ? |
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| 07:09:46 | Llorean | pt-br? |
| 07:09:53 | cadu | portuguese-brazil |
| 07:09:58 | Llorean | Anyway, translations should be posted to flyspray under the category "patches" |
| 07:10:10 | Llorean | Though in the case of languages and translations they don't need to actually be in .diff/.patch format |
| 07:10:24 | cadu | i'll just send the file in, yeah |
| 07:10:30 | cadu | as it can be updated thru genlang, right ? |
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| 07:10:51 | Llorean | I'm really not too familiar with how the lang system works, honestly. |
| 07:11:17 | Llorean | Unfortunately, English is my native language so I haven't really played with it. |
| 07:11:56 | Llorean | And my Spanish and Indonesian skills are too below the level necessary to help with translation efforts. |
| 07:12:36 | cadu | i prefer using english too (second language and works wonders), also the multitude of buzzwords/technical terms makes it harder to translate to portuguese/whatever accordingly |
| 07:12:54 | Mouser_X | Heh. |
| 07:12:58 | cadu | so if you understand english well, and feel comfortable reading it, i advise you to stay with it. |
| 07:13:06 | scorche | the english lang file should basically be used as the base for all translations |
| 07:13:25 | Llorean | Yeah, that's usually the big hurdle, how to properly fit a technical term into a language that doesn't have a perfect match. |
| 07:13:34 | cadu | one thing i noted is that my portuguese-brazil translation strings are WAY longer than the original |
| 07:13:45 | cadu | i need to -briefly- explain it |
| 07:14:02 | cadu | while avoiding tempting english words |
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| 07:14:06 | Johtaja_ | Is there anyway to change the size of the font? |
| 07:14:13 | Johtaja_ | yet? |
| 07:14:15 | cadu | like 'Precut' which i just translated to 'Pré-Corte' :P |
| 07:14:17 | Llorean | Johtaja_: Just pick another font that's at a different size |
| 07:14:23 | Johtaja_ | ok |
| 07:16:52 | Johtaja_ | Where can i change the font? |
| 07:17:03 | Llorean | Johtaja_: I suggest you read the manual some. |
| 07:17:26 | Johtaja_ | ok |
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| 07:23:09 | Johtaja_ | So i have to modify my theme file. |
| 07:23:50 | Llorean | Or use the "Browse Fonts" option, though it may break how your theme looks |
| 07:26:17 | Johtaja_ | Damn rockbox is sweet :) |
| 07:27:10 | Mouser_X | This is true. |
| 07:27:15 | Johtaja_ | :) |
| 07:27:36 | Mouser_X | Rockbox + Gigabeat (I don't know what you have) = spectacular. |
| 07:27:50 | Johtaja_ | Sansa e270 |
| 07:28:00 | Mouser_X | Oh, I've heard those are really nice too. |
| 07:28:19 | Johtaja_ | :) |
| 07:29:54 | Llorean | The Sansa e200 series has a little way to go yet, but it's definitely got some potential |
| 07:30:22 | Johtaja_ | Who is working on it? |
| 07:30:27 | tdawgedogg | so its not bad for my ipod video 5g to be on while its charging for like 8-10 hours at a time? |
| 07:30:45 | Llorean | tdawgedogg: As I said, technically speaking the Apple firmware is on too. |
| 07:30:48 | tdawgedogg | i would think that would wear it out or something |
| 07:31:22 | Llorean | The only parts of your iPod that can really get worn out are the drive and the battery |
| 07:31:29 | Llorean | The drive isn't doing anything, and the battery is of course charging. |
| 07:31:31 | Johtaja_ | So, on the e270 the original firmware does this very long sequence called refresh database, how could i override it? |
| 07:31:48 | tdawgedogg | ok ok awesome thank you man |
| 07:32:11 | Llorean | Johtaja_: You can't really override it, though our bootloader tries to set a flag that tells it that it doesn't need to refresh. This doesn't seem to work consistently yet |
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| 07:32:25 | Johtaja_ | :) |
| 07:32:26 | Johtaja_ | ok |
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| 08:05:25 | amiconn | Hmm, anyone around who is familiar with the wps magic? |
| 08:05:29 | amiconn | Bagder? |
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| 08:28:43 | bennyhinn | ive successfully installed rockbox onto my gigabeat, now how do i change it so its more plesant to look at |
| 08:29:35 | GodEater_ | bennyhinn: download and install a WPS for it |
| 08:29:53 | bennyhinn | oh... |
| 08:29:56 | Johtaja_ | to install a wps just unzip it into your root directory |
| 08:30:06 | Johtaja_ | rockbox will do the rest :) |
| 08:30:14 | Johtaja_ | bye |
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| 08:31:11 | Mouser_X | bennyhinn: What Johtaja said isn't completely true. |
| 08:31:34 | Mouser_X | It *should* be, but people don't always ZIP up their stuff properly. |
| 08:31:54 | Mouser_X | So, open the ZIP/RAR/whatever first, and see what it says. |
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| 09:10:45 | bennyhinn | oh |
| 09:10:48 | bennyhinn | Mouser_X is that so |
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| 09:12:16 | Mouser_X | If the first thing you see in the ZIP/file is ".rockbox" as a directory, then you should be good to go. |
| 09:12:34 | Mouser_X | If that's not the first thing, then you'll need to figure out what's what, and where it goes. |
| 09:12:59 | Mouser_X | (".rockbox" without the " marks) |
| 09:14:05 | pussy | anyone fixed the doom2 |
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| 09:16:31 | tucoz | bennyhinn: have you installed the font package? |
| 09:16:47 | Mouser_X | Oh, hmmm. Good point. |
| 09:17:37 | pussy | what font package |
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| 09:18:21 | tucoz | pussy: it's on the downloads page |
| 09:18:34 | pussy | ok |
| 09:18:43 | tucoz | it's a separate download, as the fonts do not get updated that often |
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| 09:25:01 | bennyhinn | no? |
| 09:26:21 | tucoz | you'll find it from the extras link under downloads in the menu on rockbox.org |
| 09:28:22 | tucoz | and be sure to check out www.rockbox-themes.org for additional themes. Just check that the theme you are going to install does not require some custom patches. |
| 09:28:47 | tucoz | i.e. Min Version should state 'Any Recent daily build' |
| 09:29:54 | tucoz | (unless you run a patched rockbox that is) |
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| 09:30:39 | markun | pussy: don |
| 09:30:52 | markun | pussy: don't think anyone is working on doom |
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| 09:31:29 | bennyhinn | jeez thats complex |
| 09:31:34 | bennyhinn | i just want it so it doesnt look so crap |
| 09:31:42 | bennyhinn | cause at the moment i can barely read the writing |
| 09:31:52 | tucoz | bennyhinn: download the font package then |
| 09:32:02 | Bagder_ | bennyhinn: then get the fonts and use a theme that comes bundled |
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| 09:32:40 | tucoz | it's a simple download-unzip operation to install the fonts |
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| 09:36:18 | pussy | can u tell me the direct link to see the 8 plugins |
| 09:36:40 | B4gder | 8 plugins? |
| 09:36:51 | pussy | yea the site that shows the games |
| 09:36:55 | tucoz | the manual i guess |
| 09:36:57 | tucoz | chapter 8 |
| 09:36:58 | pussy | the controllers |
| 09:37:05 | tucoz | pussy: what player? |
| 09:37:20 | pussy | iupod video |
| 09:37:33 | tucoz | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1180008 |
| 09:37:54 | pussy | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-build.html this is way better |
| 09:38:40 | tucoz | i thought you wanted the plugin chapter |
| 09:40:41 | pussy | hey when i watch a video off the rockbox how do i fast forward |
| 09:41:48 | tucoz | i am not sure, but i do not think that is possible (yet) |
| 09:42:13 | pussy | huh ... u can't FF or rew yet? |
| 09:42:29 | markun | pussy: that's right |
| 09:43:26 | markun | so you have to watch start wars in 1 go :) |
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| 09:44:28 | pussy | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ... |
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| 09:44:39 | pussy | imagine how we are gonna watch porn like |
| 09:45:06 | B4gder | feel free to improve the mpeg player |
| 09:45:16 | pussy | but how |
| 09:45:28 | tucoz | implement the ff and rew feature |
| 09:45:29 | B4gder | modify the source code |
| 09:46:08 | pussy | ok what do i type? |
| 09:46:09 | markun | pussy: or wait for linuxstb to do it |
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| 09:46:24 | markun | pussy: programming code written in C |
| 09:46:36 | pussy | ahh |
| 09:46:45 | tucoz | pussy: if we new what to type, it would be there already. it requires time, skill and a lot of testing |
| 09:47:04 | markun | yes, accurate seeking will be tricky |
| 09:47:14 | markun | at least with some files |
| 09:47:23 | pussy | ok for the roms .. gameboy roms it doesn't work for me any ideas y? |
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| 09:47:35 | pussy | and where should the roms be dumped |
| 09:47:43 | tucoz | only gameboy and gameboy color roms work |
| 09:47:54 | markun | doesn't matter where you put them |
| 09:48:14 | markun | pussy: you clicked on a rom and nothing happened? |
| 09:49:38 | pussy | first of all i got a rar file given by a friend |
| 09:50:02 | pussy | and when i clicked on the game its all messed up (full of text files |
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| 09:51:24 | tucoz | pussy: simply copy a .gb or .gbc file to you ipod, and start it in rockbox exactly like you would play a mp3 |
| 09:53:42 | pussy | i'll test now |
| 09:54:35 | bennyhinn | jeez the font is small |
| 09:55:04 | pussy | tucoz: the game size is amll as a rat |
| 09:55:48 | B4gder | is it all-whining day today? |
| 09:55:56 | tucoz | hehe. guess so |
| 09:57:53 | aliask | bennyhinn: Then change it. |
| 09:58:02 | tucoz | bennyhinn: the font will stay small until you install the font package and select another one |
| 09:59:20 | pussy | where do we get the games |
| 09:59:36 | tucoz | what games? |
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| 10:00:06 | tucoz | rockbox games are included in the zip you downloaded when you installed rockbox |
| 10:00:14 | tucoz | for gb, use google |
| 10:03:18 | pussy | lol all is french |
| 10:03:29 | Guile | you can increase the font size without getting other fonts I think, on my ipod 5.5 it's possible |
| 10:03:45 | Guile | french is great =) |
| 10:04:16 | B4gder | no you can't the only way to change size is to pick a different font |
| 10:05:12 | pussy | tucoz: heydo u have any direct links for the roms u use |
| 10:05:34 | Guile | I remember a "changing font size" function on my ipod |
| 10:05:37 | tucoz | pussy: no. i do not use any roms. but i am sure you can use google |
| 10:05:43 | B4gder | Guile: this is rockbox... |
| 10:06:03 | Guile | yes, with rockbox |
| 10:06:12 | B4gder | then look again, there is no such option |
| 10:06:14 | B4gder | the fonts are bitmapped |
| 10:06:20 | B4gder | they can't be resized |
| 10:06:27 | Guile | okay |
| 10:06:37 | B4gder | well, they can, but not very nicely |
| 10:07:10 | Guile | anyway now I use the magnificent ubuntu wps =) |
| 10:12:56 | bluebrother | if the fonts are tiny it's not the fonts. It's the display being too high resolution ;-) |
| 10:13:10 | bluebrother | morning tucoz :) |
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| 10:15:04 | markun | just changed the mpegplayer to display non 16x16 sized movies |
| 10:15:44 | markun | for my 320x136 star wars version :) |
| 10:17:03 | markun | let me know if I broke any videos by accident |
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| 10:20:13 | pussy | anyone uses gbc roms? |
| 10:24:42 | tucoz | morning bluebrother |
| 10:24:59 | tucoz | pussy: enter the words gameboy and roms in google |
| 10:31:04 | markun | pussy: I've used some |
| 10:31:16 | pussy | ok thx ... i found a workin 1 |
| 10:31:46 | pussy | what does [u] or [c] mean? |
| 10:31:52 | pussy | on the roms |
| 10:32:49 | pussy | can i rename the roms(will anything happen? |
| 10:33:02 | bluebrother | it will explode ;-) |
| 10:33:09 | bluebrother | no, it's just a filename |
| 10:33:29 | bluebrother | why don't you just try it yourself? It won't damage your player, so it's safe. |
| 10:34:27 | tucoz | pussy: the only thing that matters is the file extension (.gb or .gbc) |
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| 10:35:24 | markun | hi Siltaar |
| 10:35:30 | Siltaar | hello markun |
| 10:36:39 | Siltaar | Am I needed for something ? |
| 10:37:01 | markun | not really |
| 10:37:27 | Siltaar | ouf ^_^ |
| 10:37:50 | pussy | ok thx |
| 10:38:29 | bennyhinn | can someone here help me out lol, i obviously want to change the look of my rock box, but i only just installed it, and i gather u need a number of files that all go to a different spot |
| 10:38:35 | bennyhinn | im seriously square one here |
| 10:38:52 | bennyhinn | i do have a sound backing in computing however |
| 10:39:07 | B4gder | so what's wrong with all the help you've got so far? |
| 10:39:54 | Siltaar | what about Settings/List of themes ? |
| 10:40:47 | scorche | bennyhinn: you were told about the fonts and told about the themes/wps...what help is there left to give? |
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| 10:42:59 | scorche | a shame that the 500 per student will come after devcon...less beer for poor Preglow |
| 10:45:06 | markun | bennyhinn: besides the good looks (ahem..) rockbox also is a very good music player! |
| 10:45:23 | crop | Hi, I have two questions: a. where are comments for a function best placed −− in .c or in .h? And b. Why are there so little comments in RB code? As an open source project it should have much more IMHO since there are many new developers. |
| 10:45:49 | markun | crop: place them in the c file I would say |
| 10:46:05 | B4gder | yes, everone should spend lots of more time on Rockbox! |
| 10:46:09 | B4gder | I demand it! |
| 10:46:32 | * | scorche grovels |
| 10:46:38 | * | bluebrother fears of B4gder demanding time and goes hiding |
| 10:46:51 | markun | crop: maybe you can add some comments while you are trying to understand the code |
| 10:46:56 | markun | some more would be nice indeed |
| 10:47:03 | * | scorche wishes this B4gder would go away and the non-leet one would return |
| 10:47:18 | B4gder | *g* |
| 10:47:35 | crop | markun: yes. I rarely see a function with an explanation what it does and what the params mean. |
| 10:47:58 | bluebrother | placing comments in header files doesn't make too much sense imo −− you usually edit the c file anyway ... |
| 10:48:13 | * | bluebrother would like to see the code commented doxygen-style |
| 10:48:16 | roolku | Zagor: if you have a few minutes, could you enable the editing of commit messages in svn? currently it says: "Repository has not been enabled to accept revision propchanges; ask the administrator to create pre-revprop-change hook" Cheers |
| 10:48:49 | markun | bluebrother: ok, your job application has been accepted :) |
| 10:48:59 | crop | bluebrother: hi, I've found the recording settings. I missed them because in the General settings, there is a sequence of "xxx settings" followed by "browse themes", and then comes "recording settings". My sweep stopped at "browse themes", I assumed there will be no "xxx settings" anymore |
| 10:49:33 | bluebrother | crop: I found this sorting to be a bit strange a couple of times myself |
| 10:49:41 | Zagor | roolku: has this been discussed? could message editing open us up for vandalism if one committer goes rogue (or has hacked)? |
| 10:49:49 | bluebrother | especially when switching from the h120 to the ipod mini |
| 10:49:53 | Zagor | s/has/is |
| 10:50:24 | crop | bluebrother: but placing the comments into .h has the advantage that you can quickly have an overview of all funcs. But OTOH you are right, this is better done with a tool |
| 10:51:08 | Siltaar | crop I'm supporting .h placing comment idea |
| 10:51:12 | crop | bluebrother: shouldn't it be changed then? |
| 10:51:29 | roolku | Zagor: we had this with cvs and there was general disbelief when I said one couldn't do it with svn |
| 10:51:40 | bluebrother | crop: IMO comments should be in the source files and some tool should generate that overview documentation. I find doxygen really great for this. |
| 10:51:46 | roolku | Zagor: it would be enough to be able to edit your own ? |
| 10:51:47 | crop | Siltaar: but commenting .c is better because then the comments are where code is |
| 10:51:58 | bennyhinn | i know its a very good looking player but at the moment i cannot see that cause i just installed it and it looks like, worse that crap |
| 10:52:04 | bennyhinn | but i know it can look better... |
| 10:52:04 | Zagor | roolku: we could edit messages in cvs? I didn't know that... |
| 10:52:08 | bluebrother | haven't used it on projects as large Rockbox, but ... |
| 10:52:09 | Siltaar | I found cool to have one comment for the purpose of each function in .h, and only needed comments in body of function in .c |
| 10:52:26 | bluebrother | markun: if you provide the time ;-) |
| 10:52:33 | crop | So the rule is that comments should be where the commented stuff is. I.e. structs are commented in .h while func are commented in .c? |
| 10:53:06 | roolku | Zagor: yes, a few meaningless ones have been corrected after critisism on irc :) |
| 10:53:06 | bluebrother | I do it that way. But afaik there is no general comment rule |
| 10:53:12 | bluebrother | (for Rockbox that is) |
| 10:53:36 | bluebrother | maybe we should create one. Force all to use doxygen comments! ;-) |
| 10:53:41 | Zagor | roolku: yeah, if we can restrict editing to your own commits I would agree it's harmless. I haven't looked into that part of svn configuration, perhaps you already have? |
| 10:54:22 | roolku | Zagor: unfortunately no - only on the client side |
| 10:55:16 | Zagor | roolku: ok. i'll take a look then. |
| 10:55:35 | roolku | Zagor: thank you |
| 10:55:36 | crop | bluebrother: the fact that the comments are present (and are meaningful) would be a huge step forward. The style is not that important IMHO |
| 10:56:11 | bluebrother | crop: sure, but having all comments in some style that allows automatic extraction would be nice too. |
| 10:56:23 | bluebrother | so if adding comments, why not do it "right" the first time? |
| 10:56:31 | * | amiconn thinks doxygen-style comments have a negative effect on code readability |
| 10:56:33 | bluebrother | we only need to agree about "right" |
| 10:56:45 | bluebrother | amiconn: why? |
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| 10:57:09 | bluebrother | in most cases it's just a comment block in front of every function. |
| 10:57:20 | amiconn | It's a weird format for humans.... |
| 10:57:34 | bluebrother | it's really nice once you got used to it. |
| 10:57:37 | amiconn | And I'd rather stuff away the function comments in .h files |
| 10:58:10 | B4gder | for "public" functions it fits in the .h file, but for local functions there's no place for them in the .h |
| 10:58:21 | * | amiconn prefers to have only a few comments in .c files. Too many of them make it harder to read and understand the code imho |
| 10:58:51 | B4gder | I don't think that's related to the amount of comments, but rather the quality of them |
| 10:59:08 | * | bluebrother agrees on this. |
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| 10:59:38 | bluebrother | I've seen function comments using like 10+ lines with information that fitted on 2 lines |
| 10:59:42 | amiconn | It's also the pure amount of comment. If I have to scroll over half a page of comments between every 2 functions it makes it hard to spot the functions itself |
| 10:59:45 | bluebrother | (outside of Rockbox ;-) |
| 10:59:59 | Siltaar | such a debate would have its place in a static forum isn't it ? |
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| 11:00:03 | amiconn | Especially if the functions itself are short |
| 11:00:13 | B4gder | a static forum? |
| 11:00:14 | * | bluebrother whisperes about syntax hilighting and code folding |
| 11:00:22 | Siltaar | a forum |
| 11:00:30 | amiconn | I do use syntax highlighting |
| 11:00:30 | B4gder | why? |
| 11:00:38 | B4gder | we don't have many devs reading any "forum" |
| 11:00:41 | amiconn | But no folding, because that irritates me |
| 11:01:03 | * | amiconn would need an editor that can fold away comment-only lines perhaps |
| 11:01:13 | B4gder | hehe |
| 11:01:14 | Siltaar | in order to extract and keep a consensus |
| 11:01:25 | B4gder | amiconn: I bet you can make emacs do that ;-) |
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| 11:01:31 | amiconn | gah |
| 11:01:40 | bluebrother | hilight comments with the background color? |
| 11:01:48 | markun | Siltaar: don't think we need to have any formal voting for that |
| 11:01:58 | amiconn | That would still make them take up their space |
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| 11:03:17 | bennyhinn | erm so no one wants 2 help me out |
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| 11:03:33 | crop | amiconn: sometimes a very short function needs a lot of explanation. But yes, it's all about the comments quality, not just amount |
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| 11:04:42 | B4gder | bennyhinn: almost every one already has but you don't answer us |
| 11:05:16 | crop | E.g. the function set_backlight_timeout(int) needs a comment about what the param is. I'd suggest that it's the time (what unit?) but no, it's an index in an array of predefined values. Weird! |
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| 11:06:10 | bluebrother | that's where I like doxygen comments: @param time index to array of predefined timeout values |
| 11:06:38 | bluebrother | no idea how to make this shorter and better without that style (except my wording maybe ;-) |
| 11:09:56 | tucoz | B4gder: is it possible to fold code with emacs? |
| 11:10:32 | bluebrother | tucoz: it's possible with vim, so emacs needs to suppport that ;-) |
| 11:11:03 | tucoz | hehe. let me google and find out |
| 11:11:18 | GodEater_ | tucoz: yes I think it's possible in emacs, I'm almost certain c-mode already supports it |
| 11:12:14 | tucoz | looks like it is possible. the question is how :) |
| 11:12:56 | * | tucoz has lots of stuff to learn in emacs |
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| 11:31:17 | JdGordon | hey all |
| 11:31:24 | JdGordon | did I miss anything interesting the last 2 days? |
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| 11:34:22 | Guile | yes, the hi speed french train broke a speed record yesterday |
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| 11:40:46 | Sproxy | Is rockbox a OS or is it a module for ipodlinux? |
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| 11:43:03 | safetydan | Sproxy it's its own OS |
| 11:43:43 | bennyhinn | okay tucoz - could you tell me what theme ur using |
| 11:45:39 | B4gder | tucoz: there's for example a quite advanced hide-ifdef-mode that uses folding |
| 11:45:53 | B4gder | depending on what defines you set |
| 11:50:17 | Sproxy | is it working on the 4G |
| 11:50:34 | safetydan | Sproxy, yes |
| 11:51:30 | Sproxy | is it better then the apple ipod os? |
| 11:52:02 | safetydan | Sproxy, apart from battery life and no DRM file support I'd say yes. |
| 11:52:15 | crop | It depends on what you like. Those who use RB do like it (RB) |
| 11:53:47 | JdGordon | FARK! apparently the go_to_previous loops arent completyl removed :'( |
| 11:54:35 | crop | Have a bug? |
| 11:55:31 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 11:55:33 | tucoz | bennyhinn: i use a h120 (gray), so i guess you could get some prettier themes for your player |
| 11:56:25 | tucoz | B4gder: cool. i found a page on the emacs wiki explaining what to do. never even thought that it was possible. |
| 11:56:59 | B4gder | I never got into that, I'm not really a friend of folding source code |
| 11:57:32 | tucoz | maybe not in c, but for other languages structured in a different way it is usefull. like java |
| 11:58:07 | scorche | tucoz: we dont appreciate that kind of vulgarity in here |
| 11:58:10 | tucoz | s/it is/could be/ ;) |
| 11:58:13 | tucoz | hehe, sorry |
| 11:58:45 | B4gder | I stick to C .-) |
| 11:59:17 | safetydan | nothing wrong with Java. It certainly pays my bills :) |
| 11:59:38 | scorche | aye...i couldnt get up without coffee |
| 11:59:41 | B4gder | java scares me so much I run away if it comes near me |
| 11:59:56 | JdGordon | haha |
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| 12:00:09 | * | tucoz throws a JVM B4gder's way |
| 12:00:14 | safetydan | What's to be scared of? It's just a harmless little "C++ lite" language :) |
| 12:00:29 | B4gder | yeah, the language itself is pretty harmless I agree |
| 12:00:47 | B4gder | I just don't like the layers of layers of layers of goo that comes with it |
| 12:00:50 | scorche | public class nuisance { |
| 12:01:14 | B4gder | now I'll go poke in some bare metal instead |
| 12:01:26 | B4gder | s/in/on |
| 12:01:42 | * | safetydan goes back to pretending he knows anything about optimising C code... |
| 12:01:43 | bennyhinn | im not looking for pretty, im just lookin for practical!! the one im usin atm is far from practical, its the basic one actually |
| 12:02:10 | tucoz | bennyhinn: gigabeat? |
| 12:02:23 | scorche | bennyhinn: seriously...what else do you want from us?...we have told you everything, and yet you choose to ignore us |
| 12:03:00 | tucoz | bennyhinn: use the settings menu and select a different theme |
| 12:03:10 | crop | JdGordon: what's the bug? |
| 12:03:30 | JdGordon | 6965 |
| 12:06:02 | markun | bennyhinn: my advice would be to use rockbox for a while, try to find answers on your own and ask questions again after a few days |
| 12:06:06 | crop | Hrm... Then I'm wise in never using WPS as the start screen! :-) |
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| 12:12:34 | Siltaar | 16 716 329 |
| 12:12:41 | Siltaar | it's not my phone number |
| 12:13:08 | Siltaar | it should be the number of line of every files of my rockbox folder |
| 12:13:23 | bennyhinn | gigabeat yeah |
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| 12:13:37 | bennyhinn | scorche, if your not gonna help, i suggest just go bak to bein idle |
| 12:13:47 | JdGordon | daurnimator: you got a usb cdrom i can borrow? |
| 12:13:56 | bennyhinn | i dont have a few days i just wanna get this done |
| 12:13:57 | Siltaar | but I listed my build directory too... |
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| 12:14:20 | markun | bennyhinn: then maybe you are better of with the original firmware.. |
| 12:14:45 | tucoz | bennyhinn: then follow our advise. 1) download font package, 2) select different theme from the menu (they come bundled with rockbox) |
| 12:14:47 | markun | did you check the manual? |
| 12:15:03 | daurnimator | JdGordon: yes |
| 12:15:10 | daurnimator | JdGordon: why |
| 12:15:25 | bennyhinn | thats it just download a font package? i dont need to worry about themes |
| 12:15:28 | tucoz | bennyhinn: 3) play around with the menus, see what happens, consult the manual |
| 12:15:41 | tucoz | bennyhinn: download it and unzip it to your player |
| 12:15:46 | JdGordon | daurnimator: I need to reinstall and i tinhk this cdrom is fubar :'( |
| 12:15:50 | JdGordon | for my lappy... |
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| 12:16:01 | bennyhinn | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGigabeatF |
| 12:16:09 | bennyhinn | that page shows something what i want my box too look like |
| 12:16:12 | tucoz | bennyhinn: a couple of themes come bundled with rockbox, but you need the fontpackage for them to work properly |
| 12:16:40 | bennyhinn | youd think changing the skin would be the easy park and the instillation be the difficult, its the other way around |
| 12:16:44 | markun | bennyhinn: go and read the manual man, you are wearing us down.. |
| 12:16:50 | bennyhinn | wait a minute |
| 12:17:03 | bennyhinn | no i dont want to stuf it up and theres like 3 different areas i need to download and change |
| 12:17:13 | tucoz | bennyhinn: how can you say its hard when you haven't even tried. it IS dead easy |
| 12:17:16 | markun | so? |
| 12:17:25 | B4gder | bennyhinn: stop being an ass, go read the manual and come back in two hours with specific questions |
| 12:17:25 | bennyhinn | markun, if your not gonna help, go talk in a different channel, this channel is entitled rockbox for a reason! its not titled 'chatters4fun' |
| 12:17:40 | bennyhinn | because i have tried! |
| 12:17:41 | tucoz | please stop bennyhinn |
| 12:17:48 | markun | bennyhinn: hey, without me you wouldn't even be able to run rockbox on your Gigabeat |
| 12:17:51 | bennyhinn | oh come on tucoz your my last hope |
| 12:18:08 | tucoz | bennyhinn: i've told you what to do |
| 12:18:08 | bennyhinn | really markun? i do remember using the manual to instal it |
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| 12:18:38 | markun | bennyhinn: I started the Gigabeat port |
| 12:19:11 | tucoz | bennyhinn: download this and unzip to your player: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts.zip |
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| 12:20:07 | bennyhinn | sweet |
| 12:20:10 | bennyhinn | now were gettin somewhere |
| 12:20:24 | B4gder | we told you this several hours ago |
| 12:20:33 | tucoz | and probably several times as well |
| 12:20:34 | bennyhinn | copy and paste it IF YOU DID |
| 12:20:47 | bennyhinn | soz caps |
| 12:20:49 | bennyhinn | you mean the link? |
| 12:21:06 | markun | 09:16 < tucoz> bennyhinn: have you installed the font package? |
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| 12:22:11 | markun | 09:26 < tucoz> you'll find it from the extras link under downloads in the menu on rockbox.org |
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| 12:22:43 | markun | (it's 12:22 here now) |
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| 12:23:27 | bennyhinn | i dont see the link there |
| 12:23:39 | markun | I see them clearly |
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| 12:23:42 | bennyhinn | is uninstalling rockbox or reverting bak to the original firmware easy to do? |
| 12:23:49 | markun | yes |
| 12:24:17 | bennyhinn | alright lets try this baby out |
| 12:24:43 | markun | if you have a backup of the original GBSYSTEM/FWIMG/FWIMG01.DAT file just copy it back and reboot |
| 12:25:04 | tucoz | markun: you are opening a can of worms... |
| 12:25:36 | markun | tucoz: maybe I should just use the /ignore features instead of getting more pissed off |
| 12:25:44 | tucoz | me too |
| 12:25:47 | Siltaar | I think so |
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| 12:26:15 | Siltaar | we are just annoyed by an anonymous inconpetent |
| 12:26:19 | markun | but then I can't help looking at the logs for anything I might have missed :) |
| 12:26:46 | tucoz | hehe. damn logs |
| 12:27:14 | markun | linuxstb: Was there a reason we didn't allow for non-16x16 resolutions in mpegplayer before? |
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| 12:27:36 | Siltaar | a CS reflex : /vote benny-machin RTFM |
| 12:28:09 | jmspeex | amiconn: Do you have any reference for the "+r" assembly constraint syntax (re the Speex patch)? |
| 12:28:13 | markun | Siltaar: I have no idea what you are talking about :) |
| 12:28:25 | linuxstb | markun: No. |
| 12:28:54 | safetydan | jmspeex: are you after more information than what's here? http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Modifiers.html#Modifiers |
| 12:28:55 | Siltaar | markun a voting system to exclude annoyers from online computer games, Counter-Strike for instance... |
| 12:29:58 | bennyhinn | just cause i dont have extensive knowledge in C++ and java programing, doesnt mean im an incompetent ass, im a newb alright! compared to u guys that is |
| 12:30:23 | markun | bennyhinn: don't worry, we will not ask you to do any programming |
| 12:30:47 | markun | just a little more respect maybe |
| 12:31:08 | bennyhinn | im tryin to i asked nicely the first 3 times and i was completely ignored, and those were *the very first time* |
| 12:31:09 | Siltaar | you clam for links that are possible to find in the web site, it's not a programming feature |
| 12:31:16 | jmspeex | safetydan: well, I'm also trying to figure out what's the difference between using + and using separate input and output constrained to the same register. |
| 12:31:25 | tucoz | bennyhinn: you ask for help, and we tell you what to do, but then you tell us that we haven't helped you. that is a bit annoying |
| 12:31:26 | bennyhinn | i dont expect any respect, but when i dont get a response after several hours of patience, i start to get impatient |
| 12:31:38 | linuxstb | bennyhinn: Read the IRC logs here - you weren't ignored. http://www.rockbox.org/irc/current.txt |
| 12:31:41 | B4gder | bennyhinn: YOU GOT MULTIPLE |
| 12:31:48 | markun | bennyhinn: well, it didn't look to me like you were being ignored, that's why we were getting tired of you asking the same questions over and over again |
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| 12:32:25 | bennyhinn | i was gettin tired myself constantly asking! |
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| 12:32:36 | * | B4gder uses the fine /ignore |
| 12:32:49 | markun | bennyhinn: try this: http://forums.rockbox.org/ |
| 12:32:55 | bennyhinn | listen markun its easy for u to call me competent, you bloody invented rockbox and designed and created it! |
| 12:33:06 | bennyhinn | im sure if it came to say something like riding a motorbike you would be askin me for help |
| 12:33:08 | Siltaar | sorry, I did |
| 12:33:28 | amiconn | jmspeex: One difference is that using separate input and output constraints with references generates warnings on gcc 3.4+, while combined in/out does not |
| 12:33:29 | markun | bennyhinn: I would never have called you competent :) |
| 12:33:35 | Siltaar | markun stayed calm... |
| 12:33:42 | jmspeex | safetydan: Also, I didn't see "+" mentionned anywhere, so I was wondering if it was a new feature. |
| 12:33:47 | amiconn | Also, the combined constraints are much more readable imho |
| 12:34:17 | jmspeex | amiconn: And you're sure you don't need to list it at all in the inputs, right? |
| 12:34:41 | * | jmspeex doesn't like applying patches without being able to even compile them... |
| 12:34:41 | amiconn | The gcc manual says it all... |
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| 12:35:36 | safetydan | amiconn: I submitted your arm constraint changes to the speex list which is why jmspeex is here asking about them |
| 12:35:37 | jmspeex | I'll check again anyway. |
| 12:35:49 | markun | jmspeex: thanks for your fine codec btw! |
| 12:36:09 | jmspeex | I just wanted to be really sure it wouldn't break anything... |
| 12:36:18 | jmspeex | markun: you're welcome :-) |
| 12:37:15 | safetydan | jmspeex: while you're here, is stereo decoding something that will be supported by the fixed point decoder? |
| 12:37:22 | jmspeex | amiconn: So is Speex working fine on ARM? |
| 12:37:28 | amiconn | jmspeex: The '+' modifier exists at least since gcc 3.0 ... |
| 12:37:42 | markun | jmspeex: it's working fine on my ARM based player |
| 12:38:06 | amiconn | And I checked the generated assembly; the isnsn sequence is identical for '+' and for separate in/out with references |
| 12:38:28 | amiconn | Just that separate in/out with reference generates warnings, and '+' does not |
| 12:39:15 | amiconn | http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-3.0.4/gcc_20.html#SEC221 <= The respective section in the gcc 3.0.4 manual |
| 12:39:22 | jmspeex | amiconn: OK, I'll apply then. |
| 12:39:40 | JdGordon | does anyone know if you can use a ide cdrom with those cheap usb>ide convertors? |
| 12:42:35 | Soap | JdGordon: i do |
| 12:42:50 | Soap | keeps my hot burner out of my hot case. |
| 12:42:51 | JdGordon | they work? |
| 12:43:04 | JdGordon | great :) does it have to be set to master? |
| 12:43:26 | Soap | yes, I have two optical drives on two CompUSA branded cheap-o USB-PATA adapters. |
| 12:43:30 | bennyhinn | hebrew fonts? heh.. |
| 12:43:47 | Soap | I don't know if they are set to master or not, actually. I assume they are. |
| 12:44:26 | safetydan | I know Rockbox has an arabjoin.c file, so do we have a font that supports Arabic letters? |
| 12:45:24 | JdGordon | unless unifont has them, I dont tihnk so |
| 12:45:40 | JdGordon | Soap: it works :) now to see if i can boot from it |
| 12:45:51 | bennyhinn | where do i put the fonts folder |
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| 12:46:23 | Nico_P | bennyhinn: just unzip the archive to the root of your player |
| 12:46:30 | Nico_P | the fonts will go where they need to |
| 12:46:35 | amiconn | safetydan: markun is Mr. Unicode |
| 12:46:48 | bennyhinn | okay done, woah therse so many, whats a good one, nice and big |
| 12:46:49 | linuxstb | bennyhinn: Inside the ".rockbox" folder - there should already be a fonts folder there. But as Nico_P said, the folder structure is stored inside the zip, so just extract the zip to your player. |
| 12:48:00 | Nico_P | bennyhinn: for the gigabeat, you might want to try nimbus19 |
| 12:48:23 | Nico_P | but you should have a look at the themes too |
| 12:49:13 | bennyhinn | ah okay not bad not bad |
| 12:49:20 | bennyhinn | theres only 4 |
| 12:50:06 | Nico_P | bennyhinn: yes, the gigabeat is not very well equipped in themes. you can get new ones here : http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=240x320x16 |
| 12:50:46 | markun | safetydan: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeFonts |
| 12:51:14 | bennyhinn | what would be a suggestable theme for the gigabeat |
| 12:51:19 | bennyhinn | in particular the F series |
| 12:51:25 | bennyhinn | oh |
| 12:51:31 | bennyhinn | gotchya Nico_P :P |
| 12:51:44 | bennyhinn | can u get an iPod resembling theme? |
| 12:51:46 | bennyhinn | that would be cool |
| 12:52:01 | bennyhinn | wow the choice here is amazing though |
| 12:52:03 | safetydan | markun, wow, there's a page for everything :) |
| 12:52:19 | markun | and if there isn't you can always make one yourself :) |
| 12:52:38 | markun | that was for safetydan, but could also apply to bennyhinn's question :) |
| 12:52:58 | bennyhinn | hey this is easy, i think im gettin the hang of this |
| 12:53:08 | tucoz | bennyhinn: nice |
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| 12:54:21 | Nico_P | bennyhinn: makeing themes is quite easy too |
| 12:56:01 | bennyhinn | whoooohooo got my theme on, and its a chicks but |
| 12:57:33 | bennyhinn | its gotta decode every image and you cant flip them? |
| 12:57:39 | bennyhinn | i mean rotate |
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| 13:01:36 | Nico_P | bennyhinn: you mean in the JPEG viewer ? |
| 13:04:16 | bennyhinn | yer |
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| 13:10:23 | bennyhinn | omg this is so sik ive got it playing my songs now, aac 256 kb quality this is awesome the ONLY problem i have with it is that the menu system on the firmware is ugly but the player is awe inspring |
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| 13:16:41 | bennyhinn | no animated buttons? |
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| 13:21:16 | bluebrother | bennyhinn: nooo. |
| 13:21:21 | bluebrother | read the manual. |
| 13:21:31 | bluebrother | it also doesn't cook coffee. |
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| 13:35:02 | Nico_P | bluebrother: the manual needs a few words about cuesheet support... should I make a patch ? |
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| 13:37:11 | bennyhinn | hey the ipod theme is really cool |
| 13:38:29 | bluebrother | Nico_P: feel free to. |
| 13:39:02 | bluebrother | the manual needs quite a bit of work ... hopefully I find the time in a couple of weeks. |
| 13:39:12 | Nico_P | bluebrother: I'll try but my latex skills are very limited |
| 13:40:52 | bluebrother | that's not a problem. I'll do the cleanup afterwards ;-) |
| 13:45:01 | bennyhinn | how to: delete old themes |
| 13:45:13 | Nico_P | bluebrother: make manual acts weird here |
| 13:45:15 | bennyhinn | bluebrother if you wrote the manual am i allowed to make some suggestions |
| 13:45:33 | bluebrother | delete the files that are part of the theme |
| 13:45:34 | pondlife | Zagor: did you see my e-mail (last week)? |
| 13:46:07 | Zagor | pondlife: yes I did. I haven't been able to look at it yet though. |
| 13:46:13 | Zagor | (i.e. the issue) |
| 13:46:18 | pondlife | OK, no worries - just checking it's not in your spam bin |
| 13:46:27 | bennyhinn | and the rest of the files will delete automatically? |
| 13:46:33 | bennyhinn | wait a minute, i think my rockbox just froze |
| 13:46:36 | pondlife | LinusN always spam bins my e-mails for some reason :) |
| 13:46:41 | Nico_P | bennyhinn: no, you have to delete the files yourself |
| 13:46:45 | bluebrother | "the files" doesn't tell you to only delete one file |
| 13:47:07 | bennyhinn | oh i thought u mean that as in the 'themes' not the other stuf like fonts backgrounds etc |
| 13:47:18 | bennyhinn | jeez i couldnt do that cause i dunno which ones would be associated with which theme |
| 13:47:41 | bluebrother | you can always remove all themes and reinstall the ones you want to keep |
| 13:47:52 | bennyhinn | oh good it froze |
| 13:48:56 | bennyhinn | oh okay i didnt save the themes to my desktop |
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| 13:52:44 | Nico_P | bennyhinn: or just remove the cfg files from the themes dir. |
| 13:52:59 | bennyhinn | why is it when you press files it takes ages for your album list to load, or is that just the gigabeat? |
| 13:53:17 | B4gder | enable dircache |
| 13:53:17 | bluebrother | enable dircache |
| 13:53:17 | bennyhinn | Nico_P:: doesnt that leave the other crap that came alone with the theme in the gigabeat |
| 13:53:24 | GodEater_ | bennyhinn: turn on dircache |
| 13:53:25 | bennyhinn | enable dircache |
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| 13:53:37 | bennyhinn | and this would be under which menu again |
| 13:53:43 | Nico_P | bennyhinn: it does |
| 13:53:44 | B4gder | read manual |
| 13:53:58 | bluebrother | you can even search the manual! |
| 13:54:02 | bennyhinn | u could just give me 1 word save me 10 minutes of searching through the bible of manuals |
| 13:54:04 | GodEater_ | wooo! |
| 13:54:12 | B4gder | bennyhinn: it doesn't save you anything |
| 13:54:13 | bluebrother | "dircache"? |
| 13:54:22 | B4gder | you'll just ask for more things that are also in the manual |
| 13:54:29 | bluebrother | it's only one manual. Not bibles ... |
| 13:54:39 | bennyhinn | woa this thing has games |
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| 13:54:52 | * | GodEater_ prays for divine intervention |
| 13:54:54 | bluebrother | it has even crashed! |
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| 13:55:10 | Nico_P | bluebrother: I have trouble building the manual: http://www.pastebin.ca/423744 |
| 13:55:14 | bluebrother | *crashes |
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| 13:55:33 | bluebrother | Nico_P: you're running ubuntu? |
| 13:55:37 | Nico_P | YES |
| 13:55:42 | Nico_P | sorry, yes :) |
| 13:55:47 | bluebrother | ah. The dash issue. |
| 13:56:15 | GodEater_ | that's nice and cryptic |
| 13:56:15 | bluebrother | apply the patch from http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6919 first |
| 13:56:47 | GodEater_ | ah, that sort of dash :) |
| 13:56:48 | bluebrother | haven't found for a better fix yet, but I'll fix that |
| 13:56:55 | GodEater_ | I was thinking more hyphen :) |
| 13:56:59 | bluebrother | yes, that not-bash thing |
| 13:57:25 | Nico_P | bluebrother: thanks |
| 13:59:12 | Nico_P | I get the pdf file but there is an error. should I care ? |
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| 14:02:26 | bluebrother | depends on the error. |
| 14:02:43 | bluebrother | what does it say? |
| 14:03:00 | GodEater_ | depends on if the pdf opens and contains what looks like a manual for rockbox I'd say |
| 14:05:53 | Siltaar | \away |
| 14:06:16 | Siltaar | grmphfff. |
| 14:06:22 | Nico_P | bluebrother: /bin/sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected |
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| 14:07:39 | Nico_P | seems to be related to the previous issue |
| 14:07:48 | Nico_P | it occurs just at the end of the output |
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| 14:18:11 | fudgeyou | gosh i wish i could have someone here explain to me what stereo width means and why it isnt at 100% by default |
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| 14:21:10 | preglow | sheesh |
| 14:21:54 | fudgeyou | oh okay i found it bluebrother page 22 of 141 |
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| 14:26:33 | fudgeyou | yay works really well now hell yeah |
| 14:26:40 | fudgeyou | does ipod use directory chaching too? |
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| 14:28:56 | bluebrother | Nico_P: sounds like a problem with the makefile setup |
| 14:29:09 | bluebrother | fudgeyou: you can use dircache. That's not related to ipods |
| 14:29:51 | fudgeyou | oh ok |
| 14:30:01 | fudgeyou | i guess ipods are fast since they use their own patented directory structure |
| 14:30:18 | fudgeyou | where songs are indexed in coding format |
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| 14:31:55 | B4gder | we don't care much about original firmwares |
| 14:31:56 | GodEater_ | er no |
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| 14:35:44 | fudgeyou | yeh but, i mean if you had some degree of interest in them you could 'take' something from them, not literally, but like yeah |
| 14:36:19 | bluebrother | fudgeyou: no. Ipods use a standard FAT like all other players do |
| 14:36:28 | B4gder | they don't have any such things you say |
| 14:36:33 | bluebrother | there is non patented directory structure. |
| 14:37:22 | bluebrother | that "indexing" of the songs is some database, and I assume this gets loaded to RAM all times (like the Rockbox database can do but is not required to) |
| 14:38:01 | bluebrother | Nico_P: that error could be cause by the copying of the resulting file or similar |
| 14:39:24 | Nico_P | bluebrother: it doesn't prevent me from testing my changess I'm just ignoring it |
| 14:39:25 | fudgeyou | whats faster having it loaded on ram or not |
| 14:39:33 | fudgeyou | its still a bit slow i think i didnt do it right |
| 14:39:42 | bluebrother | RAM is faster but leaves less room for buffering the aurio |
| 14:39:48 | bluebrother | *audio |
| 14:39:56 | fudgeyou | why would one wish to buffer the audio |
| 14:40:03 | bluebrother | you always buffer the audio |
| 14:40:11 | bluebrother | do you want to have the disc spinning all the time? |
| 14:40:12 | Nico_P | why isn't dircache enabled by default ? |
| 14:40:31 | bluebrother | because it wastes precious buffer on the devices with small buffers |
| 14:40:38 | bluebrother | i.e. archos devices. |
| 14:40:52 | fudgeyou | do i want the disc spinning all the time? well this doesnt use a disc, its a no moving parts player |
| 14:41:08 | B4gder | fudgeyou: the ipod video without hdd? |
| 14:41:09 | Nico_P | maybe we should activate it by default on SWCODEC targets ? |
| 14:41:12 | fudgeyou | no this is relitively recent this would have a good buffer size |
| 14:41:18 | bluebrother | but I'd vote for shipping some sensible default configurations for the players instead |
| 14:41:31 | fudgeyou | its not an ipod video its a gigabeat, its a piece of shyte compared to the ivido |
| 14:41:45 | B4gder | gigabeat without hdd is about as rare |
| 14:41:47 | bluebrother | the ipod video has 32 / 64 MiB RAM for buffering the audio |
| 14:42:07 | bluebrother | sansa, ondio and nano are the only supported players without a hdd. |
| 14:42:15 | bluebrother | unless you modded yours of course |
| 14:42:21 | amiconn | dircache and database in ram isn't even compiled for archos |
| 14:42:26 | B4gder | and they use the buffer the same way the hdd based one does anyway |
| 14:42:54 | bluebrother | it is not? Well, then we could enable it per default, right? |
| 14:43:23 | amiconn | But as long as dircache is in the state it currently is, I'd vote against making it enabled by default even on big-ram targets |
| 14:43:50 | bluebrother | what's the problem with dircache? I'm using it since it's included, and I haven't experienced any problems. |
| 14:43:58 | fudgeyou | the firmware that came with the gigabeat was such a piece of shyte, even the latest update could only handle mp3, wav and wma, im sorry but aac is the way of the future, and players that can play any format are aswell |
| 14:44:45 | B4gder | fudgeyou: as I said, we don't care much for what the OF does or doesn't |
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| 14:45:01 | amiconn | (1) With really many files (e.g. hvsc; don't have that myself), it fails to go active, and re-scans on every boot in the foreground |
| 14:45:22 | fudgeyou | just givin the run down |
| 14:45:31 | amiconn | (2) With fairly many files it works, but takes a while to scan (in the background). While it's doing that, shutdown doesn't work |
| 14:45:52 | amiconn | Rockbox will force a shutdwon after 30 seconds or so, causing a nasty hdd click |
| 14:46:34 | bluebrother | never experienced that myself, but it is indeed nasty. |
| 14:47:18 | fudgeyou | amiconn u a gigabeat user |
| 14:47:19 | fudgeyou | ? |
| 14:47:30 | amiconn | Happens all the time since I enabled dircache on my H180 for testing. Will probably disable it again because of that, and because it doesn't have a positive effect considering my usage patterns |
| 14:48:37 | amiconn | It eats ram, uses up battery during it's scan on boot, certainly more than what I would use for browsing |
| 14:48:52 | fudgeyou | the fact that rockbox can handle .aac files and the latest gigabeat firmware cant - thats whats got my stunned |
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| 14:54:32 | Nico_P | bluebrother: I've added a bit of info abut cues. I think it's good to commit |
| 14:54:44 | Nico_P | bluebrother: want to see the patch first ? |
| 14:54:54 | bluebrother | why not? |
| 14:55:43 | bluebrother | can you pastebin me a diff? |
| 14:56:07 | Moos | amiconn: do you think it's possible to make ircache scaning on background faster? |
| 14:56:28 | Nico_P | bluebrother: http://www.pastebin.ca/423826 |
| 14:56:42 | Moos | amiconn: I thought that Slasheri made the thing as fast as possible |
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| 14:57:35 | bluebrother | you can view a cuesheet? Wasn't aware of that. |
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| 14:57:55 | bluebrother | otherwise the diff looks fine. |
| 14:58:06 | Nico_P | bluebrother: yes, and if it's the one for the current track, you can skip in it with the viewer |
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| 14:58:35 | Nico_P | I also added pause on headphone unplug for the gigabeat |
| 14:58:44 | directhex|work | and it works well too |
| 14:58:56 | bluebrother | ok. Maybe I should create a cue sheet from one of my discs |
| 14:59:04 | bluebrother | noticed that. nice. |
| 14:59:13 | Nico_P | I'll commit then |
| 14:59:24 | bluebrother | great. |
| 14:59:32 | directhex|work | any ideas why occasionally my database gets re-committed? i'll start up my gigabeat, and it'll decide to give me an extra copy of my database, leading to multiple copies of every track |
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| 15:08:14 | B4gder | directhex|work: sounds like a bug to me |
| 15:08:48 | directhex|work | B4gder, the best kind - one that's hard to reproduce reliably! |
| 15:08:53 | preglow | Febs: reason i'm not signed up despite the very good agenda is that i already have plans for that weekend :/ |
| 15:08:55 | B4gder | yeah :-/ |
| 15:09:13 | Febs | :) |
| 15:09:48 | B4gder | preglow: don't worry, we'll increase the amount of beer until you bend! |
| 15:09:55 | B4gder | :-) |
| 15:10:53 | Febs | If it weren't for the fact that I have five shows to play that weekend, I would be there. |
| 15:11:11 | preglow | B4gder: i still daydream about the pub i've seen pictures of |
| 15:14:06 | directhex|work | i should probably try a newer build just to be sure. anything exciting recently? |
| 15:14:13 | B4gder | btw, I found it amusing that my personal web page is blocked in the company proxy where I currently work ;-) |
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| 15:14:28 | B4gder | and the rockbox forums are too |
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| 15:15:23 | B4gder | corkscrew and a sshd on port 443 gave me a way out ;-) |
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| 15:15:51 | aliask | You can't fool me Jonno. |
| 15:16:04 | jonno | ? |
| 15:16:10 | jonno | ah.. bah ;p |
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| 15:16:17 | JdGordon | ta da! |
| 15:16:20 | aliask | :D |
| 15:16:28 | * | preglow goes away again |
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| 15:17:42 | fudgeyou | whats this disk spindown business |
| 15:19:01 | B4gder | fudgeyou: the hard disk spins when active and spins down when not |
| 15:19:22 | B4gder | you know, that disk you don't have ;-P |
| 15:20:00 | bluebrother | the flash chips rotate? ;-) |
| 15:21:14 | bluebrother | bah ... why does this damn controller doesn't have integrated pull up resistors? |
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| 15:28:49 | fudgeyou | theres a spinnin disk in those things |
| 15:28:59 | B4gder | yes |
| 15:31:24 | GodEater_ | it acts as a gyroscope to keep all the bits the right way up |
| 15:31:35 | GodEater_ | :D |
| 15:32:00 | B4gder | I got my bits up-side-down once. All hell broke loose! |
| 15:33:34 | fudgeyou | lol autopilot |
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| 15:35:34 | markun | fudgeyou: the hardware in the Gigabeat is quite nice if you ask me. The only advantage the ipod video has is the video decoder chip, but we can't use it anyway (yes?) |
| 15:36:33 | GodEater_ | B4gder: if your bits got upside down, presumably your music came out backwards ? :) |
| 15:37:10 | aliask | I would have guessed it came out upside down... |
| 15:37:15 | fudgeyou | why cant i play DOOM |
| 15:37:17 | fudgeyou | d000m |
| 15:37:40 | fudgeyou | what u mean markun - rockbox can play videos? |
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| 15:37:58 | * | GodEater_ senses someone else who hasn't read the manual |
| 15:38:02 | B4gder | GodEater: yes, you like those backwards songs from the 80s singing messages about the devil! |
| 15:38:11 | bluebrother | uhhh. |
| 15:38:13 | B4gder | s/you// |
| 15:38:31 | bluebrother | was also the pitch reversed? |
| 15:38:51 | * | bluebrother goes handing the manual to someone in this channel |
| 15:39:55 | GodEater_ | B4gder: those particular songs didn't sounds much better going forwards |
| 15:40:08 | B4gder | very true |
| 15:43:39 | directhex|work | if a picture's worth a thousand words, how about devlish images drawn in waveforms? |
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| 15:45:28 | GodEater_ | or lord no |
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| 15:45:34 | GodEater_ | s/or/oh |
| 15:46:13 | bluebrother | *g* |
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| 15:48:13 | * | GodEater_ fumbles for his idiot shield |
| 15:49:06 | bennyhinn | also why is it when i hit resume playblack it will put on a random song, not the thing i was listening too |
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| 15:50:48 | Febs | (1) What are you resuming from (shutdown, stopped playback, etc.)? (2) Do you have "random" turn on? |
| 15:51:09 | bluebrother | because because we think it's better that way. Much more intuitive. |
| 15:51:19 | * | bluebrother giggles |
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| 15:53:59 | bennyhinn | i was resuming from playing around in the plug ins section |
| 15:54:06 | bennyhinn | where do i go Febs, to find out if i have random turned on |
| 15:54:13 | bennyhinn | what u mean markun - rockbox can play videos? |
| 15:54:28 | * | bluebrother throws the manual at bennyhinn |
| 15:54:28 | bennyhinn | also, lol, where do i get the d00m files form |
| 15:54:41 | bluebrother | we don't have d00m. |
| 15:55:12 | bennyhinn | i couldve swarn i saw doom in the plug ins section |
| 15:55:21 | bluebrother | we have doom though. |
| 15:55:30 | Febs | You did. Doom. Not d00m. |
| 15:55:36 | bennyhinn | i wouldnt even give that the credit of being smart alec |
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| 15:56:06 | bluebrother | being exact doesn't need you to be smart. |
| 15:56:42 | bluebrother | s/need/require/ |
| 15:56:51 | bennyhinn | arg |
| 15:56:52 | Febs | bennyhinn: It's time for you to read the manual. It will tell you how to set your "random" setting. It will tell you how to load and play doom. |
| 15:57:16 | * | Domonoky reads the logs, and think he has to finish his work on rbutil :-) |
| 15:57:37 | bluebrother | nooo ... you can't take that fun away from us! |
| 15:57:39 | bluebrother | *g* |
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| 15:57:43 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 15:59:04 | GodEater_ | Domonoky: which bits need finishing ? |
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| 15:59:40 | Domonoky | i changed the UI. this needs a few more changes, and the i have to commit it.. |
| 15:59:53 | Domonoky | also the sansapatcher isnt completly integrated.. |
| 16:00 |
| 16:00:08 | Domonoky | (but i have code for this, but its not ready) |
| 16:00:24 | bennyhinn | maybe i clicked the wrong thing when i pressed resume playback |
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| 16:06:40 | bennyhinn | yay doom 2 is out |
| 16:06:52 | JdGordon | 15 years ago.... |
| 16:07:05 | B4gder | but yes, it still is ;-) |
| 16:08:04 | bennyhinn | apart from rockbox, is there any other firmwares out there |
| 16:08:39 | B4gder | I get the feeling bennyhinn doesn't really appreciate how much hard work Rockbox is |
| 16:08:40 | bennyhinn | preferably ones that dont require you to sift through the mother of all manuals, the encylopedia to build an atomic bomb, the rockbox manual, to find 1 tiny little bit of information |
| 16:09:01 | GodEater_ | B4gder: how prophetic of you |
| 16:09:12 | B4gder | write your own bennyhinn and stop annoying us |
| 16:09:54 | desowin | bennyhinn: well, someone had to write rockbox, ... and you're complaining about just finding information ... |
| 16:10:02 | bennyhinn | nah its cool its just whenever i ask for help i get told im an idiot |
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| 16:10:20 | B4gder | bennyhinn: and why is that you think? |
| 16:10:29 | Febs | bennyhinn: no, you get told to read the manual. There is a difference. |
| 16:10:35 | Febs | (though one is not exclusive of the other) |
| 16:11:10 | Febs | Both bluebrother and I have spent a LOT of time writing the manual, as have a number of others. Why should we retype if for you when all you need to do is click on a link and read it? |
| 16:11:12 | B4gder | bennyhinn: lots of people spent lots of time and effort to write a great manual where most of your questions are already answered |
| 16:11:23 | Nico_P | bennyhinn: you have to understand that answering your questions is not our only activity |
| 16:11:25 | B4gder | yet you ignore that and keep repeating the questions here |
| 16:12:09 | bennyhinn | some things you can answer with the manual, like, can rockbox do video |
| 16:12:15 | bennyhinn | why does it not go bak to my song when i click resume |
| 16:12:20 | bennyhinn | etc |
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| 16:12:45 | JdGordon | :'( i forgot to install ccache before compiling the cross compliler again :'( |
| 16:12:45 | JdGordon | its taking tooo long |
| 16:13:16 | Febs | bennyhinn: And that's another thing. When you DO ask a question, and you get a request for additional information, provide that information. I asked you for more information about your resume issue, and you ignored me. So why should I try to help you further? |
| 16:13:40 | bennyhinn | no, lol Febs, i get that a lot, i actually did provide you with more information, YOU FAILED to read it |
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| 16:14:39 | bennyhinn | like i just followed the instructions to a dime just then on installing doom 2, and now i cant find where it is on the player |
| 16:14:47 | Febs | How did you stop playback before trying to resume? |
| 16:15:02 | Nico_P | guys, I think it might be time to commit the tokenizer... maybe you want to take a look at the patch befort I do ? |
| 16:15:37 | spiorf | hi, i tried one of those patched builds, the jclix one specifically(20070320-based), but i would like to use the latest mpegplayer on them. will it work if i take that day revision and update only the mpegplayer files, then build and copy the mpegplayer.rock file in the jclix build? |
| 16:15:51 | bennyhinn | pressed the puase button mind u i couldve pressed it more than once |
| 16:16:08 | Moos | Nico_P: go go go! :) (no bugs left now?) |
| 16:16:22 | Febs | bennyhinn: what player? ipod? |
| 16:16:33 | Nico_P | Moos: hopefully, non |
| 16:16:35 | Nico_P | nonz |
| 16:16:39 | Nico_P | arg... none |
| 16:16:39 | JdGordon | Nico_P: :) |
| 16:16:41 | B4gder | spiorf: perhaps, perhaps not |
| 16:17:07 | Moos | Nico_P: then go ahead ;) |
| 16:17:24 | Nico_P | I have to warn you it results in an increase in binsize... I got 1k more on the ondio FM and 1,5k more on the gigabeat |
| 16:17:38 | B4gder | Nico_P: I'm in favour of the tokenizer concept and we can always continue to improve and fix problems once committed |
| 16:17:40 | * | GodEater_ hopes Nico_P is wearing his anti-amiconn suit today |
| 16:17:50 | JdGordon | haha |
| 16:17:53 | bennyhinn | there is no addons directory neither |
| 16:17:55 | * | JdGordon wants one of them :D |
| 16:17:58 | bennyhinn | its a gigabeat Febs |
| 16:18:01 | GodEater_ | hehe |
| 16:18:28 | Nico_P | one last test on my gigabeat and i'll commit |
| 16:18:43 | amiconn | I hope it will work properly.... |
| 16:19:01 | Nico_P | amiconn: it should. I've tested it a lot |
| 16:19:02 | Moos | hehe :) |
| 16:19:13 | * | amiconn wonders why it got bigger when it should actually simplify things though |
| 16:20:00 | markun | bennyhinn: yes, it can play videos, but I think it will not be so easy: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 16:21:08 | Febs | bennyhinn: unless our documentation is wrong (http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-160003) the gigabeat does not have a pause button. Do mean the "A" button? |
| 16:21:29 | Nico_P | amiconn: well the displaying code is simpler but there's the parser... |
| 16:21:29 | * | GodEater_ looks at his gigabeat. Definitely no pause button. |
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| 16:23:24 | bluebrother | Domonoky: just had this idea ... how about grabbing the manual with rbutil too and opening it up after installation automagically? |
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| 16:23:51 | bluebrother | like this pre-checked "show readme file" a couple of installers have. |
| 16:23:59 | bennyhinn | woa guess whos playin doom |
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| 16:24:08 | bennyhinn | hey Febs, did the developer make cheats for rockdoom |
| 16:24:20 | bennyhinn | oh u need a plug in |
| 16:24:25 | bennyhinn | erm well |
| 16:24:26 | * | bluebrother fails to guess who is playing doom. It's definitely not me ... |
| 16:24:29 | bennyhinn | the center button |
| 16:24:52 | Domonoky | bluebrother: nice idea .. |
| 16:25:04 | bluebrother | the buttons have named that are pictured in the manual ... |
| 16:25:40 | Domonoky | but when should it show the manual ? after installing rockbox ? oder the Bootloader ? |
| 16:25:44 | Nico_P | do I need to be descriptive in my commit message ? |
| 16:25:47 | bluebrother | maybe you could add "open manual online" as alternative? |
| 16:25:59 | bluebrother | Nico_P: the more descriptive the better ... |
| 16:26:14 | bluebrother | don't know if it's _required_ by some policy though. |
| 16:26:16 | B4gder | Nico_P: and please include a reference to the FS#[num] of the patch |
| 16:26:19 | JdGordon | Nico_P: all the debug code is ifdefed out right? |
| 16:26:39 | bluebrother | but I'm too wondering why the tokenizer is that much bigger. |
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| 16:27:25 | Nico_P | JdGordon: yes it is |
| 16:28:30 | Nico_P | bluebrother: separating parsing and displaying made it bigger than I initially thought it would b |
| 16:28:45 | JdGordon | put the parser into a plugin :D |
| 16:28:52 | Nico_P | but maybe it can be otpimised |
| 16:29:04 | Febs | bennyhinn: I cannot replicate your problem. When music is paused, there is no "resume" option on the main menu. If I stop playback, run some plugins, and then return to the main menu and select "resume," my previously-playing song resumes, as it should. |
| 16:29:12 | Nico_P | JdGordon: it would be easy to do if finally it was decided |
| 16:29:23 | bennyhinn | Febs: the center button is the pause equivalent |
| 16:29:37 | bennyhinn | if it happens again significantly ill let u know |
| 16:29:40 | bennyhinn | any doom cheats? |
| 16:30:07 | markun | bennyhinn: I think there was a question about cheats in the forums, don't know if anyone answered. |
| 16:30:52 | bluebrother | the current version of doom doesn't allow cheats. |
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| 16:31:33 | * | bluebrother goes raising his "remove doom" hand |
| 16:31:45 | perl|work | remove doom? |
| 16:32:03 | bluebrother | :) |
| 16:32:10 | * | GodEater_ seconds bluebrother |
| 16:32:15 | GodEater_ | again |
| 16:32:17 | GodEater_ | :) |
| 16:32:52 | bluebrother | maybe we should provide a second package with only some plugins ... and consider them unsupported |
| 16:32:53 | markun | bluebrother: you can start your own doom-less custom build :) |
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| 16:33:12 | markun | (doom-les?) |
| 16:33:20 | GodEater_ | hahaha - I can see how popular THAT would be :) |
| 16:33:29 | perl|work | markun 16x16 frames support? |
| 16:33:33 | GodEater_ | Number of views : 2 |
| 16:33:36 | bluebrother | for some minimalistic guys ;-) |
| 16:33:48 | bluebrother | (both views caused by myself ;-) |
| 16:33:53 | GodEater_ | no - one is me! |
| 16:34:04 | markun | perl|work: support for heights and widths which are not a multiple of 16 |
| 16:34:06 | bluebrother | then it must be 3 views |
| 16:34:16 | markun | perl|work: 320x136 for example |
| 16:34:35 | perl|work | markun, aha |
| 16:35:04 | bennyhinn | alright well |
| 16:35:07 | bennyhinn | im sufferng here |
| 16:35:15 | bennyhinn | cause there aint no cheats |
| 16:36:50 | markun | bennyhinn: just go back to the original firmware. No doom so no suffering. |
| 16:37:00 | markun | and no complicated manual |
| 16:38:33 | GodEater_ | anyone seen DerPapst's post in the Nano 2G thread? Is the chap he's quoting spouting mumbo-jumbo - or is this an actual attack vector we could use ? |
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| 16:40:45 | GodEater_ | it looks promising, but I guess a lot hangs on his assumption that the hardware will run an OSOS image that has an all 0xFF security block and is un-encrypted |
| 16:40:48 | bennyhinn | i want doom cheats gag NAMMIT |
| 16:41:33 | * | GodEater_ prods linuxstb |
| 16:42:05 | * | Nico_P takes a deep breath |
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| 16:42:26 | * | GodEater_ refreshes rockbox.org a lot to see the commit message... |
| 16:42:58 | neothecat | i have an iRiver H3xx running v. 12738-070312. and for some reason, in middle of playing and mp3, it will jump into the middle of another mp3. and another one. |
| 16:43:17 | Nico_P | GodEater_: http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-20070404T144241Z.html |
| 16:43:28 | neothecat | i reformatted my HD once before, and it stopped for a while, but it's starting again. is this a bad hd or something else? |
| 16:43:33 | GodEater_ | neothecat: update to a current version and see if it still happens ? |
| 16:44:20 | GodEater_ | Nico_P: you missed "it increases binary size though. I'm hanging my head in shame." ;) |
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| 16:44:33 | neothecat | GodEater: when this happened the first time, i have upgraded a few times, and i kept my eye out for any changes that might effect this, i didn;t see any, but i will give the upgrade a try. |
| 16:44:50 | GodEater_ | neothecat: it's always worth an upgrade :) |
| 16:45:03 | Nico_P | GodEater_: I'm hoping people won't notice :p |
| 16:45:14 | GodEater_ | hehehe |
| 16:45:33 | amiconn | Nico_P: Why is WPS_TOKEN_SOUND_PITCH swcodec only? Hwcodec also has pitch except MAS3507D (i.e. player) |
| 16:45:36 | * | GodEater_ watches for the big red delta table |
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| 16:46:22 | * | perl|work pities the people who finish both dooms on their players |
| 16:46:36 | Nico_P | amiconn: I think I referred to the previous code for that. I'll have to correct it in a future commit |
| 16:46:45 | B4gder | consider adding this to the MajorChanges page |
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| 16:46:56 | amiconn | Hmm, ok |
| 16:47:07 | markun | perl|work: what about a guy watching starwars on his Gigabeat while he should be working? :) |
| 16:47:13 | Nico_P | B4gder: will do. I'll also start a support thread :) |
| 16:47:14 | | Part ctaf |
| 16:47:31 | amiconn | Replaygain should also be added for hwcodec... (both in playback and wps) |
| 16:47:41 | kook | Is it possible to perform an SVN update from behind a firewall? |
| 16:48:00 | amiconn | (even though it's one more of those "I won't use it" features) |
| 16:48:03 | B4gder | kook: most of us are behind firewalls I think |
| 16:48:04 | GodEater_ | kook: depends on the firewall |
| 16:48:05 | perl|work | markun ha, i think somebody watched all 3 lord of the rings on gigabeat |
| 16:48:25 | GodEater_ | perl|work: the extended ones ? :) |
| 16:48:29 | markun | perl|work: you did? |
| 16:48:37 | perl|work | also lorean likes to watch huge movies like gladiator on his now :P |
| 16:48:55 | perl|work | markun i havent even watched those on big screen |
| 16:48:58 | | Part B4gder |
| 16:49:03 | perl|work | leave away on mp3 player |
| 16:49:09 | Nico_P | amiconn: it's not a WPS-only change, though ? |
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| 16:49:19 | amiconn | correct |
| 16:49:36 | kook | When I tried it (via Tortoise SVN) it said that the server was not reachable (or something like that). Is there a HTTP port for rockbox's svn? |
| 16:50:10 | Nico_P | no error/warning :) |
| 16:50:32 | GodEater_ | kook: no there isn't |
| 16:50:41 | * | Nico_P sees the delta table and hides |
| 16:50:57 | GodEater_ | ouch... |
| 16:51:12 | GodEater_ | 2092 on the H300! |
| 16:51:25 | Nico_P | wow I didn't see that coming |
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| 16:51:47 | amiconn | Hmm, the delta line doesn't look nice :\ |
| 16:51:55 | kook | GodEater: then I have bad firewall :-( |
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| 16:52:34 | * | GodEater_ awards Nico_P the "Red Delta" medal |
| 16:52:35 | amiconn | X5 is even 2108 |
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| 16:53:15 | Nico_P | GodEater_: I did get a green delta once :) |
| 16:53:21 | amiconn | Looks like ~400 are due to rtc, and about the same again for lcd remote |
| 16:53:21 | bluebrother | GodEater_: isn't that medal already given to someone? Can you pass it along that easy? |
| 16:53:30 | voltagex | hi everyone |
| 16:53:32 | Nico_P | I'll do my best to bring it down though |
| 16:53:46 | voltagex | anything interesting happening in rockboxland? |
| 16:53:56 | amiconn | ~1000 seems to be the base for all targets |
| 16:53:59 | GodEater_ | bluebrother: I have a hole box full of them - want one ? :) |
| 16:53:59 | roolku | this is odd, why is h1x0 only half of the other coldfire targets? |
| 16:54:14 | amiconn | roolku: No rtc |
| 16:54:31 | GodEater_ | s/hole/whole |
| 16:54:31 | bluebrother | I'd prefer a Rockbox t-shirt :D |
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| 16:54:40 | GodEater_ | ah - I'm fresh out of those |
| 16:54:44 | bluebrother | damn. |
| 16:54:47 | Nico_P | amiconn: the rtc tag is a complicated one |
| 16:54:50 | markun | voltagex: mpegplayer is getting better |
| 16:55:02 | GodEater_ | bluebrother: how about a "No Doom on Rockbox" campaign pin ? :) |
| 16:55:04 | bluebrother | medals are a bit of a problem, I don't have too much room in my student box |
| 16:55:05 | Febs | Speaking of t-shirts, I wonder how axlgreasetire's efforts to make a t-shirt are coming along? |
| 16:55:28 | Febs | I don't think he understood the point I (sarcastically) made in the forum thread about using an iron-on on a black t-shirt. |
| 16:55:30 | bluebrother | no idea ... but I would still found it great to have a spreadshirt shop |
| 16:55:33 | bluebrother | or something similar |
| 16:55:37 | Nico_P | amiconn: parsing it isn't too hard but displaying it is a real PITA |
| 16:56:06 | bluebrother | Febs: you know there are print-on iron-ons for black t-shirts? |
| 16:56:28 | bluebrother | I only tried the usual ones like 10 years ago, but those worked quite nice |
| 16:56:35 | Febs | Really? I've never seen one. |
| 16:57:08 | bluebrother | I've seen the black ones only once or twice though. |
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| 16:57:17 | bluebrother | they seem to be somewhat rare |
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| 16:57:18 | voltagex | markun: my H340 still isn't powerful enough to really use it |
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| 17:02:23 | Nico_P | hmm could someone make me a developer in the forums ? I can't post in the announcements forum |
| 17:03:28 | Febs | Nico_P: Llorean isn't online, and he is the only one (I think) who can do that. If you post in the general discussion forum, I'll move the thread. |
| 17:03:42 | Nico_P | Febs: OK, thanks |
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| 17:06:29 | Febs | Actually, I may be able to change your status. What is your forum username? |
| 17:07:56 | markun | Febs: thanks for cleaning that thread |
| 17:08:19 | Febs | markun: it was going nowhere but down. |
| 17:08:26 | lowlight | Nico_P: maybe for clarity wps_load_data be defined in wps_parser.h instead of gwps.h? |
| 17:10:04 | Nico_P | lowlight: there is no wps_parser.h. wps_data_load is the only function from wps_parser.c that is exposed to the "outside world". I thought it wasn't worht creating a separate header file |
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| 17:10:40 | Febs | Nico_P: I am able to change forum user status after all. You should now be listed as a developer. |
| 17:10:52 | Nico_P | Febs: thanks :) |
| 17:11:13 | crop | Is it intentional that some variables (that seem rather private to me) are 'public' in wps_parser.c? E.g. level and last_cond? |
| 17:11:54 | Nico_P | crop: I wanted them to be public to the file |
| 17:12:42 | crop | Shoudn't they be made static then? |
| 17:12:59 | crop | I.e. they are visible in the file but not outside |
| 17:13:49 | Nico_P | static isn't the same thing for a variable and for a function AFAIK |
| 17:13:58 | voltagex | hmm, last svn build I have is 20070329, worth updating? |
| 17:14:12 | Nico_P | voltagex: yes, to try the WPS tokenizer :) |
| 17:14:36 | crop | I think it is. Or do you need these vars in wps_debug as well? |
| 17:14:41 | voltagex | Nico_P: now if I could find my player, I might be able to find out what a WPS tokeniser is |
| 17:15:08 | Nico_P | crop: they are only needed in wps_parser.c |
| 17:15:17 | crop | If they are declared as non-static they are in the global name space and are accessible from everywhere |
| 17:15:30 | crop | Nico_P: then they should be declared as static |
| 17:15:49 | crop | The life span is the same but visibility is bound to the file |
| 17:16:25 | Nico_P | ok |
| 17:16:33 | crop | Nico_P: nice comments btw! |
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| 17:17:03 | Nico_P | thanks :) |
| 17:17:15 | amiconn | static is very much the same for functions and variables |
| 17:17:18 | crop | I wish the whole RB code were commented like this! |
| 17:17:30 | amiconn | It makes the element global with a hidden symbol |
| 17:17:58 | crop | amiconn: what is a hidden symbol? An assembler attribute? |
| 17:18:03 | Nico_P | amiconn: but a static var within a function is different, isn't it ? |
| 17:18:30 | crop | Nico_P: iirc it's only visible within that func then. But the life span is the same |
| 17:18:47 | Nico_P | crop: yes, that's what I understood |
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| 17:20:13 | bluebrother | hmm, the tokenizer will render some patches useless |
| 17:20:19 | bluebrother | like scrolling margins ... |
| 17:20:36 | Nico_P | bluebrother: they will be completly out of sync, yes |
| 17:20:37 | lowlight | Nico_P: but does every file that includes gwps.h need wps_data_load? |
| 17:20:58 | Nico_P | and I think the tokenizer could allow better ways to implement them |
| 17:21:28 | XavierGr | Nico_P: will tsr pluggins work correctly with the new parser? |
| 17:21:47 | Nico_P | lowlight: this might be an answer to your question : http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/call_graph_parser.png |
| 17:22:10 | Nico_P | XavierGr: the parser uses the plugin buffer, but not much of it, so I *think* TSR plugins should work |
| 17:22:37 | Nico_P | I mean they shouldn't prevent loading the WPS |
| 17:23:05 | Nico_P | lowlight: the graph is slightly outdated but not that particular part |
| 17:24:01 | bluebrother | Nico_P: how did you create that graph? Looks much like what doxygen creates but I don't see doxygen comments in the commit |
| 17:24:11 | linuxstb | Nico_P: How much plugin RAM does it need? |
| 17:24:27 | Nico_P | bluebrother: with KSope |
| 17:24:32 | bluebrother | ah :) |
| 17:24:51 | Nico_P | linuxstb: it only uses the plugin ram to store the WPS source for parsing |
| 17:24:58 | crop | How does it come that the tokenizer added so much to the binary size? I.e. feature wise it's the same we already had before so the code size should be approximately the same. |
| 17:26:07 | Nico_P | crop: the displaying code is simpler but there is additional code for the parser |
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| 17:27:11 | crop | Nico_P: but we already had a "parser" (spread through the displaying code) |
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| 17:27:45 | crop | So this separation is very good IMHO but the overall size shoudn't have changed significantly |
| 17:28:24 | crop | Well, I mean "increased". I'd say nothing if it decreased :-) |
| 17:28:55 | linuxstb | Nico_P: So you've just single-handedly broken all patches which add new WPS tags? ;-) |
| 17:29:10 | Nico_P | crop: There's probably some room left for optimisation |
| 17:29:20 | GodEater | linuxstb: hehehe - good point ;) |
| 17:29:22 | Nico_P | linuxstb: quite an achievement, heh ? |
| 17:29:33 | crop | Nico_P: ok. But godd work! |
| 17:29:47 | crop | *good |
| 17:30:19 | Nico_P | I'll probably try to sync and/or commit the most important ones |
| 17:30:19 | Nico_P | crop: thanks :) feel free to help bring the size down :) |
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| 17:33:28 | * | amiconn hopes the parser didn't break text alignment on the player, which he only activated a few days ago |
| 17:33:49 | Nico_P | amiconn: On your example WPS, it didn't |
| 17:34:04 | amiconn | ok |
| 17:34:43 | amiconn | Enabling this became so simple after I made the charcell lcd driver support some function which were bitmap-only previously |
| 17:35:02 | lostlogic | I may not be able to make it to devcon afterall :( tickets are more expensive this time |
| 17:35:43 | Nico_P | amiconn: the pitch tag should be available to all targets ? |
| 17:36:12 | amiconn | All except theplayer |
| 17:36:34 | amiconn | The MAS3507D doesn't allow pitch to work |
| 17:36:46 | Nico_P | amiconn: using HAVE_LCD_BITMAP would work but sounds a bit of a hack... |
| 17:37:46 | amiconn | #if CONFIG_CODEC != MAS3507D |
| 17:40:37 | Nico_P | thanks |
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| 17:48:13 | bennyhinn | is it possible, i am not asking *how* but is it possible to delete files within rockbox on your player |
| 17:48:40 | Moos | yes, you can |
| 17:48:53 | Moos | just check the MANUAL |
| 17:50:29 | bennyhinn | okay |
| 17:50:31 | bennyhinn | how? |
| 17:50:31 | bennyhinn | lol |
| 17:51:23 | Moos | what is your player? |
| 17:52:22 | bennyhinn | rockbox gigabeat versio |
| 17:52:31 | Nico_P | bennyhinn: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 17:52:51 | Moos | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/rockbox-build.html even |
| 17:52:55 | Moos | all is here |
| 17:52:57 | sslashes | amiconn: have any time to help explain your ideas for viewports? |
| 17:53:05 | bennyhinn | i know where the manual is ;p |
| 17:53:36 | Moos | then just read it ;) |
| 17:53:41 | Nico_P | bennyhinn: then you should find it quite easy to read it now |
| 17:56:48 | sslashes | amiconn: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ViewDrawing |
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| 17:58:50 | bennyhinn | can u copy and paste it 2 me my comps slow |
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| 18:00:08 | sslashes | Nico_P: your heavily involved in the current WPS solution, correct? |
| 18:00:36 | Nico_P | sslashes: current as of today, yes :) |
| 18:01:40 | sslashes | Nico_P: heh, you mind taking a quick look at my SoC proposal (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ViewDrawing) and let me know if you have any strong opinions on the matter |
| 18:01:57 | sslashes | i figure if it gets accepted, we'll most likely be working closely |
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| 18:04:11 | Nico_P | sslashes: probaby, yes. But I won't me a mentor, as I've applied as a student :) |
| 18:04:39 | Nico_P | sslashes: the JIT compiler idea was suggested with my WPS changes but didn't have much success |
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| 18:05:14 | Nico_P | but overall it sounds like a reasonable proposal to me |
| 18:05:41 | Nico_P | maybe having the themes as one file would be even better though |
| 18:06:00 | Nico_P | (tar themes... there are two tracker entries for them) |
| 18:07:35 | amiconn | Nico_P: Did you try the idea of deferring the bmp load until after comleting the .wps load? |
| 18:07:49 | amiconn | Shoudl be good for a nice speedup on hdd targets... |
| 18:07:56 | Nico_P | amiconn: that's how it's done |
| 18:08:09 | sslashes | Nico_P: thanks for the ideas |
| 18:08:20 | sslashes | what failed about the JIT compiler idea? |
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| 18:09:51 | Nico_P | amiconn: actually the bitmaps are loaded once the parsing is complete. but when the parsing starts, the WPS has already been read so maybe loading bitmaps whilst parsing wouldn't be bad |
| 18:09:51 | Nico_P | sslashes: too complicated IIRC |
| 18:10:10 | sslashes | ahh |
| 18:11:36 | amiconn | ok |
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| 18:13:53 | Domonoky | can someone with linux and the ability to build rbutil try the newes version of FS #6893 ? |
| 18:14:04 | Nico_P | Domonoky: I'll do it |
| 18:14:36 | Domonoky | Nico_P: thx |
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| 18:16:32 | Nico_P | Domonoky: I'm getting a lot of errors |
| 18:16:55 | Domonoky | errors while building it ? |
| 18:17:08 | Domonoky | or while running ? |
| 18:17:22 | Nico_P | while building |
| 18:18:08 | Domonoky | strange it builds on my colinux, Unicode issues again ? |
| 18:18:23 | Domonoky | can you give me a pastebin of the errors ? |
| 18:19:06 | Nico_P | Domonoky: sorry, it was my mistake |
| 18:19:17 | Nico_P | apparently I didn't patch a clean rbutil tree |
| 18:19:28 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 18:19:52 | Nico_P | the rockbox logo is displayed properly ! :) |
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| 18:20:24 | Domonoky | yes, i built my own imagecontrol, so the images are now properly on all Platforms.. |
| 18:21:29 | Nico_P | Domonoky: the device path box is a bit small IMHO |
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| 18:22:48 | Nico_P | and it should scale with the windows |
| 18:23:17 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 18:23:56 | Domonoky | i need more wxWidgets knowledge.. :-) |
| 18:25:15 | Nico_P | also maybe a close button on the window frame would be nice. I only have the maximise button |
| 18:25:51 | Nico_P | (i'm speaking of the secondary windows, not the main one) |
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| 18:26:32 | Nico_P | Domonoky: ah... the themes installation part seems to hang |
| 18:26:57 | Domonoky | Nico_P: hanging while Downloading ? |
| 18:27:06 | Nico_P | the "downloading" is displayed and then I can't do anything, not even cancel. and the windows aren't being repainted |
| 18:27:28 | Nico_P | i'm forced to kill the app |
| 18:27:40 | Domonoky | ok, thats a real bug, will investigate.. for the others, i have to read up on wxWidgets.. |
| 18:28:12 | Nico_P | Domonoky: do you want me to summarize my remarks on the tracker ? |
| 18:28:51 | Domonoky | not needed, i have written it on my Todo list.. |
| 18:29:00 | Nico_P | ok |
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| 20:01:16 | petur | do h1x0 irivers also have bootloader usb just like h3x0? |
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| 20:01:27 | amiconn | yes |
| 20:01:48 | petur | and when they are off, they power on when connecting? |
| 20:01:55 | amiconn | nope |
| 20:02:21 | amiconn | H1x0 doesn't draw any power from usb, and they also don't power on from plugging usb and/or the charger |
| 20:02:29 | petur | ok |
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| 20:03:33 | petur | how do you get into bootloader usb? first connect and then power on? |
| 20:03:47 | amiconn | yes |
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| 20:04:51 | amiconn | You can also plug after powering on if you're quick |
| 20:04:56 | amiconn | Half a second or so |
| 20:05:46 | petur | ok thanks... |
| 20:06:00 | petur | ( http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,82361.0.html ) |
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| 20:07:45 | amiconn | If the green led doesn't light up when plugging the charger, my first guess is that the battery is really low, or even completely dead |
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| 20:08:12 | petur | bbl |
| 20:08:22 | amiconn | The led is purely hardware controlled (by the battery charger chip), so if it doesn't light up it means it doesn't charge |
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| 20:08:54 | amiconn | But it might be that it just takes a while, LiIon chargers often employ a soft start if the battery is really low |
| 20:09:07 | * | Genre9mp3 waves to all! |
| 20:09:20 | amiconn | Might also be that the charger is broken |
| 20:09:37 | amiconn | (the chip and/or the thingy that plugs into mains) |
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| 20:11:55 | BigBabyJesus | hey!some german here who can help me?but english ok too ;) |
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| 20:13:38 | BigBabyJesus | hello???? |
| 20:15:51 | pixelma | no one can tell if he/she could help you - as long as you don't say what's up ;) |
| 20:16:16 | BigBabyJesus | whats uuuup? |
| 20:17:08 | toffe82 | what is your problem ? |
| 20:17:12 | pixelma | I meant... what's your question, or what help do you need? |
| 20:17:22 | BigBabyJesus | ah lol k... |
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| 20:18:25 | BigBabyJesus | allright...right now,my ipod is in disk mode,i run that rix program to install rockbox...but now,nothing really changed,y? |
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| 20:19:20 | BigBabyJesus | i still see the standard ipod menu |
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| 20:21:11 | BigBabyJesus | but have to have rockbox=) what can i do now? |
| 20:21:58 | pixelma | rix - isn't that the unofficial "Rockbox Installer X", if so that's quite outdated afaik and it's unsupported... actually you are supposed to use the official install method (you can find them in the manual) and then there would be people able to help if you have a certain problem/question with that |
| 20:22:30 | BigBabyJesus | ok,i will try it without rix...can you pls give me the link to the manual=) |
| 20:22:39 | BigBabyJesus | ah no,got it already... |
| 20:24:55 | BigBabyJesus | but can you tell me which bulid i need for my 30gig video ipod? |
| 20:25:56 | pixelma | the one that's called "iPod Video" with the picture? |
| 20:27:18 | BigBabyJesus | yeah got it^^ overread it... |
| 20:28:00 | BigBabyJesus | yaayyyyyyy.now i see the rockbox menu^^ |
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| 20:34:25 | donutman25 | hello, can someone tell me where i can locate in the mpegplayer.c the line that makes the viewer exit when the stop buttuon is pressed. |
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| 20:41:01 | BigBabyJesus | one last question.how do i get now music on my ipod with the windows explorer? |
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| 20:41:59 | sslashes | BigBabyJesus: step one - mount, two - drag, three - drop |
| 20:41:59 | Stalwart | BigBabyJesus: drag'n'drop |
| 20:42:09 | BigBabyJesus | where??? |
| 20:42:17 | lowlight | donutman25: don't have the code in front of me, but I imagine there is a button_get() call followed by the button handling code |
| 20:42:20 | Stalwart | on the MFing ipod |
| 20:42:23 | sslashes | it should show up as another drive under My Computer |
| 20:42:54 | BigBabyJesus | i only see my "normal" ipod |
| 20:43:02 | sslashes | ... |
| 20:43:14 | BigBabyJesus | or do i understand it false? |
| 20:43:46 | sslashes | copy (or cut) your music directory to your "noraml" ipod, mounted under My Computer |
| 20:44:23 | BigBabyJesus | ah lol.just like if im doin music on a external drive?k,was confused by the folders i see there |
| 20:44:57 | donutman25 | lowlight: thanks |
| 20:45:12 | bluebrother | BigBabyJesus: you can just keep using itunes if you want to. |
| 20:45:32 | sslashes | alternatively, you can turn on tag cache from the settings menu and it will scan the drive for music and display it using id3 information |
| 20:45:34 | BigBabyJesus | nooooooooo...first reason i wanted rockbox,is i DONT want to use itunes |
| 20:45:37 | bluebrother | just use the database for browsing in that case. |
| 20:45:53 | bluebrother | you don't need to |
| 20:46:24 | bluebrother | it's a regular removable drive attached via usb. So ... where's the problem? |
| 20:46:38 | sslashes | BigBabyJesus: if you no longer want to use itunes (and are ok with your music not showing up under the apple firmware), then delete all the folders there besides rockbox |
| 20:46:41 | BigBabyJesus | dont know...just was a bit confused^^ |
| 20:48:15 | BigBabyJesus | now,everything is workin very fine.you guys really do a great job.keep working |
| 20:48:51 | bluebrother | nooo ... I want to get a vacation! |
| 20:48:53 | bluebrother | :P |
| 20:49:01 | sslashes | BigBabyJesus: glad to help |
| 20:49:41 | BigBabyJesus | thank you |
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| 20:56:55 | donutman25 | @lowlight: would you also happen to know how to get the current frame number that is playing in the source? |
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| 20:59:17 | linuxstb | donutman25: Assuming you're talking about mpegplayer, and video frames (not audio frames), then "frame" is what you want (in the video_thread() function) |
| 20:59:36 | amiconn | hummm..... |
| 20:59:45 | donutman25 | thank you |
| 20:59:51 | JavaMan22 | i have a doom addon |
| 20:59:56 | JavaMan22 | called iHalo |
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| 21:00:02 | amiconn | The crash on fast forwarding ( http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6820 ) still happens |
| 21:00:06 | JavaMan22 | it says i have missing textures?? |
| 21:00:30 | linuxstb | donutman25: What are you planning to do with mpegplayer? |
| 21:00:43 | amiconn | (only that I get an illegal instruction instead of an address error) |
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| 21:01:04 | * | amiconn tries with the new parser thing |
| 21:01:45 | JavaMan22 | linuxstb how come i get missing textures and how could i get those textures on |
| 21:03:04 | donutman25 | linuxstb: i'm trying to get mpegplayer to save the last played video frame to a file when video is stopped and the plugin is exited |
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| 21:04:03 | donutman25 | and make it load the last frame in the file when the same video plays again |
| 21:04:42 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:05:13 | linuxstb | You mean a resume feature? |
| 21:05:28 | donutman25 | yes |
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| 21:06:38 | perl|work | donutman25 interesting idea |
| 21:07:48 | donutman25 | the bad part about it is that i hard know c language |
| 21:08:06 | donutman25 | so i hope i dont bug you guys with my questions |
| 21:09:06 | petur | anybody using insight on cygwin? |
| 21:09:54 | amiconn | Hmm, the crash indeed has to do with the special player progress display(s) |
| 21:10:23 | amiconn | Since this is working in a particular cumbersome way anyway, I'll rewrite it |
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| 21:11:19 | scorche | oh wow...bennyhinn in the logs..he just kept gettign worse |
| 21:11:37 | petur | how did we get rid of him? |
| 21:12:18 | scorche | no clue, but i would have kicked him after the cheats "gag NAM MIT" |
| 21:13:18 | petur | I get the feeling the WPS screen comes up much faster with the new tokenizer |
| 21:13:56 | amiconn | I tested this with iCatcher on archos recorder |
| 21:14:07 | amiconn | The tokenizer version is slightly slower |
| 21:14:26 | amiconn | Not noticeable during normal usage |
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| 21:19:00 | k0rnz | what do people use to copy video podcasts and video movies to their ipod in linux? |
| 21:20:34 | scorche | cp |
| 21:20:35 | linuxstb | Are you asking about playing those videos in Rockbox? |
| 21:21:04 | k0rnz | yes i wanna 1st copy them onto ipod running rockbox but i dont know which program to use in linux as amarok does not work |
| 21:21:15 | k0rnz | i'm installing now gtkpod and see if it work |
| 21:21:27 | bluebrother | use konqueror |
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| 21:21:46 | bluebrother | or any other file manager unless you prefer the command line |
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| 21:22:09 | linuxstb | k0rnz: See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer for details on how to convert videos for Rockbox. |
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| 21:22:37 | linuxstb | There is no need to use gtkpod - just drag and drop them after conversion. |
| 21:22:44 | k0rnz | thanks my good sir |
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| 21:24:36 | * | k0rnz bows |
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| 21:25:30 | robin0800 | are all wps patches broken by latest build? |
| 21:25:57 | linuxstb | Very likely. But nico_p said he was going to try and sync the major ones. |
| 21:26:37 | robin0800 | should you put a warning on the page |
| 21:28:51 | linuxstb | Why? patches are always going out of sync with SVN. |
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| 21:30:34 | robin0800 | yes but this may effect a lot of people as it is probably many patches going out of sync at the same time |
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| 21:30:54 | toni1 | linuxstb: Did you see my bug report of the plugin header? |
| 21:31:21 | JavaMan22 | linuxstb how can i add the textures into doom? |
| 21:32:16 | linuxstb | JavaMan22: No idea - but be aware that Rockbox's Doom strictly adhers to the Doom standard for WADs, so refuses to play many of the non-standard WADs in existence. |
| 21:32:42 | toni1 | linuxstb: I wonder, why other targets don't have this issue with the mpegplayer plugin. |
| 21:34:02 | JavaMan22 | i have freedom doom |
| 21:37:16 | linuxstb | toni1: Nice find. I don't know anything about that code though. Maybe amiconn has an idea. |
| 21:37:23 | * | linuxstb points amiconn towards http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6964 |
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| 21:39:35 | toni1 | linuxstb: The arm-asm memset still sets some bytes (less than 8), if the size_t entry gets negative. |
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| 21:40:22 | amiconn | end_addr should never be smaller than the plugin filesize. If it does, something is wrong with linking |
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| 21:40:47 | toni1 | probably due to linking the codec? |
| 21:41:20 | linuxstb | I thought size_t was unsigned? See firmware/include/sys/types.h |
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| 21:41:48 | toni1 | yes it should, but the arm asm version is definitely not. |
| 21:42:17 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hmm, do you link the whole codec or just libmad? |
| 21:42:26 | linuxstb | I link libmad |
| 21:42:37 | amiconn | libmad shouldn't define end_addr .... |
| 21:42:54 | AceNik | hey id jut like to know , in the svn update , u :update, G: ? , A: ? |
| 21:43:00 | linuxstb | The "mpa.codec" is mpa.c linked with libmad. |
| 21:43:11 | linuxstb | (plus the codec lib) |
| 21:43:19 | amiconn | yes |
| 21:43:37 | amiconn | toni1: What target? |
| 21:43:47 | toni1 | sansa e250 |
| 21:44:00 | * | amiconn tries a build in order to check the .map |
| 21:44:30 | linuxstb | toni1: How wrong is the end_addr in the plugin? i.e. how many bytes? |
| 21:44:45 | amiconn | I'll just check where it points in the final plugin |
| 21:45:29 | AceNik | With todays changes to wps's do we need to change codes in the already existing wps's? |
| 21:45:51 | linuxstb | AceNik: No, it should act the same from a user's point of view. |
| 21:46:16 | toni1 | linuxstb: I don't really know, wether that is wrong, or the assumption of the bss segment in the memset area. |
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| 21:46:40 | toni1 | I think somehow the end_addr is correct. |
| 21:47:24 | toni1 | I checked the nano build and it looks quite the same. |
| 21:47:31 | AceNik | G: ? , A: ? what does this mean in an svn update ? |
| 21:48:34 | markun | AceNik: "svn help update" |
| 21:49:32 | toni1 | linuxstb: In my build 5Bytes get be zeroed by memset |
| 21:49:50 | Stalwart | w00t w00t w00t! |
| 21:49:59 | Stalwart | tokens! |
| 21:50:00 | AceNik | thank c ya |
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| 21:50:09 | toni1 | linuxstb: Before end_addr of course |
| 21:50:32 | toni1 | In front I mean |
| 21:51:00 | amiconn | You think memset may have a bug? |
| 21:51:12 | amiconn | Just try the C version for comparison then |
| 21:51:14 | toni1 | amiconn: yes. |
| 21:51:29 | toni1 | No need, I checked the asm |
| 21:52:05 | toni1 | The correct memset would overwrite the whole memory area here |
| 21:52:20 | amiconn | ? |
| 21:52:30 | toni1 | 0xfffffxxx bytes |
| 21:52:49 | amiconn | The correct memset should only overwrite the bytes between end of file end end_addr |
| 21:53:26 | toni1 | but the size_t is negative |
| 21:53:31 | amiconn | ? |
| 21:53:58 | amiconn | How can plugin_size - readsize become negative? |
| 21:54:09 | toni1 | I mean the value passed to the size_t is negative |
| 21:54:31 | amiconn | ???? |
| 21:55:01 | toni1 | memset(dest, 0, 0xfffffxxx); |
| 21:59:04 | JavaMan22 | there should be a warning that all play counts will be deleted when you go to Initialize now... |
| 21:59:26 | JavaMan22 | i was looking around and clicked it on accident and it erased all my play counts and play scores |
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| 22:00:35 | amiconn | I think I know what's going on |
| 22:01:37 | amiconn | end_addr being lower than the file size is correct, as this plugin contains iram code and initialized data |
| 22:01:56 | amiconn | ...which, for one, needs to be moved _before_ clearing bss |
| 22:02:40 | amiconn | But otoh, it shows that the formula for calculating bss breaks when a plugin does that (contain any 1 of icode, idata or irodata) |
| 22:02:51 | amiconn | ibss is no problem |
| 22:04:00 | amiconn | end_addr is just the end of the bss area, but iram content doesn't count because bss overlays that space |
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| 22:07:15 | toni1 | amiconn: Do you think the memset is necessary at that place? |
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| 22:09:05 | amiconn | yes |
| 22:09:23 | amiconn | gcc relies on the bss being zeroes out by default |
| 22:09:37 | amiconn | It places zero initialized data into bss |
| 22:10:06 | toni1 | ok, I understand. |
| 22:14:13 | toni1 | bye |
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| 22:46:15 | donutman25 | how do i get the current frame number from the video thread in mpegplayer? |
| 22:50:34 | donutman25 | how do i get the current frame number from the video thread in mpegplayer.c? |
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| 22:53:52 | bluebrother | donutman25: you don |
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| 22:54:12 | bluebrother | 't need to repeat yourself −− it looks pretty much like noone knows an answer |
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| 22:55:01 | donutman25 | sorry |
| 22:55:20 | markun | donutman25: did you check the source? |
| 22:55:28 | markun | I can take a look |
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| 22:56:08 | donutman25 | i've been looking at it for 45 minutes but i have no reasonable knowledge of c |
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| 22:56:37 | markun | donutman25: what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 22:57:04 | donutman25 | save the last played frame to a file when video is stopped |
| 22:57:32 | markun | you try to add a resume function? |
| 22:57:35 | donutman25 | i'm trying to save the last played frame to a file when video is stopped |
| 22:57:46 | donutman25 | yes |
| 22:58:01 | markun | how will you go back to this frame? |
| 22:59:29 | donutman25 | i was thinking about making mpegplayer load the file and go back to the frame mentioned in the file in the video |
| 22:59:30 | markun | and play the audio from the correct position as well.. |
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| 23:00:22 | markun | without any reasonable knowledge of c? It will not be easy for you. |
| 23:00:35 | petur | damn markun you just beat me to it ;) |
| 23:00:45 | markun | :) |
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| 23:01:38 | Soap | don't spank the man for learning through play! |
| 23:01:47 | Soap | It doesn't have to work to be educational. |
| 23:02:22 | donutman25 | i'm learning new things everytime i take a glimpse at the source |
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| 23:02:43 | bluebrother | hmm. For resuming, wouldn't seeking be needed first? |
| 23:03:28 | donutman25 | i thought about that |
| 23:04:25 | bluebrother | implementing resume first sound somewhat like the wrong approach to me |
| 23:04:35 | donutman25 | that way i figured it was that to that that it wouldnt be seeking because i know exactly where i want to go |
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| 23:18:32 | amiconn | wow |
| 23:19:51 | markun | found a bug? |
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| 23:20:02 | amiconn | My simplified player progress drawing saves 500 bytes - and it's better than the old in that it only displays as many user-definable characters as actually necessary, potentially freeing up some for other text |
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| 23:20:47 | Landus | Okay. X-Chat can simply close the channel window. |
| 23:20:54 | amiconn | And it fixes the crashes when fast forwarding, and makes it display correctly while seeking (previously the progress went backwards when fast forwarding and vice versa) |
| 23:21:21 | Landus | Anyway, I was going to ask if anyone knows if a port for the 80GB iPod will be in the works, or already is? |
| 23:21:35 | Landus | I've spend a few days looking around with nothing recent on the topic. |
| 23:22:18 | markun | Landus: it's in the works yes, but no recent progress |
| 23:22:51 | Landus | Ah. Thanks. |
| 23:22:54 | * | amiconn still thinks the model list on the frontpage should link to wiki pages describing why the exceptions are there |
| 23:23:08 | amiconn | (80GB/G5.5 and Nano G2) |
| 23:23:32 | amiconn | Unfortunately the frontpage still doesn't use the svn www module :\ |
| 23:23:36 | amiconn | Bagder? |
| 23:23:47 | Landus | I know why there there, I just wanted to know if any progress making a stable version had started. |
| 23:23:53 | Bagder | so much to do, so little time |
| 23:24:01 | Landus | Actually, another question that's a bit off topic. |
| 23:25:01 | markun | Landus: be careful then, off topic questions are not generally welcomed here :) |
| 23:25:11 | Landus | Off the iPod topic. |
| 23:25:24 | Landus | Still related to rockbox. |
| 23:26:56 | mr_pink | can someone point me in the right direction to find functions that handle backlight control? Attempting to write my first patch... |
| 23:27:09 | Landus | There's a page in the wiki that mentions having a background in assembly, and C/C++ if someone was interested in porting rockbox to other platforms, or just making changes to the firmware for current releases. |
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| 23:27:33 | Landus | As far as college classes go, are there any that would fall exactly in this catergory. |
| 23:27:44 | Landus | I was thinking microelectronics, but wasn't entirely sure. |
| 23:27:59 | Bagder | mr_pink: what target? |
| 23:28:05 | Landus | Category, rather. |
| 23:28:09 | linuxstb | Landus: I think you would need to ask your college... |
| 23:28:42 | linuxstb | It also depends on your experience, and what exactly you want to work on in Rockbox. |
| 23:28:46 | mr_pink | gigabeat |
| 23:28:46 | Landus | Not in yet. Still a few more months, but I was wondering if there's a general field that covers all the knowledge needed to hack rockbox. |
| 23:28:50 | bluebrother | Landus: no c++, only c in Rockbox |
| 23:29:10 | Bagder | mr_pink: rockbox/firmware/target/arm/gigabeat/meg-fx/backlight-meg-fx.c |
| 23:29:16 | mr_pink | cheers |
| 23:29:17 | donutman25 | where do you guys think is the best play to learn c, that a 16 year old has access to? |
| 23:29:41 | Landus | Books and see if there's a class at your high school. |
| 23:29:47 | Landus | I speak from experience. |
| 23:30:05 | bluebrother | donutman25: get K&R and another book that's more explaining |
| 23:30:13 | Bagder | online examples and man pages |
| 23:30:17 | bluebrother | and find yourself some interesting thing to program |
| 23:31:07 | Landus | and make yourself familar with a unix shell. |
| 23:31:19 | Landus | Or just your common linux distro. |
| 23:31:53 | donutman25 | bluebrother: what is "K&R"? |
| 23:32:00 | linuxstb | Landus: Rockbox contributors have a wide variety of skills and knowledge - there won't be one course to cover every area. And I would guess that most of the Rockbox hackers are mostly self-taught. |
| 23:32:31 | bluebrother | donutman25: The C Programming language by Kernighan & Ritchie |
| 23:32:46 | bluebrother | it's some kind of the bible for C |
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| 23:32:59 | bluebrother | but it isn't a teaching book. |
| 23:33:37 | markun | donutman25: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_%28programming_language%29#External_links |
| 23:33:37 | bluebrother | while you could learn c using k&r it's easier if you use something else for the basics and then read on there. |
| 23:37:43 | kkurbjun | What tristates the coldfire CPU on the iriver's when the USB chip is talking to the HD? |
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| 23:38:53 | kkurbjun | H100 and H300 that is |
| 23:39:16 | Landus | linuxstb: I should be more specific. I don't entirely understand how the software and the hardware work together from just C code from scratch. |
| 23:40:51 | markun | Landus: if you know some C and have a little spare time you should just dive in and try to work on rockbox |
| 23:41:24 | Landus | I know a little, but not enough to comprehend how it all works together as a whole. |
| 23:41:59 | Landus | The only computer intensive available class I can take as a high school student is a networking class, which has little to do with programming. |
| 23:42:04 | markun | it was a bit overwhelming for me at first |
| 23:42:13 | mr_pink | does anyone know where links to http://www.rockbox.org/docs/contributing.html should point to instead? There's loads of links to it in the wiki but it doesn't seem to exist. I'm happy to update if someone can tell me what it should be! |
| 23:42:59 | Bagder | mr_pink: I believe here => http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/docs/CONTRIBUTING?revision=11979&view=markup |
| 23:43:22 | Landus | I've been using for rockbox almost a year. I've been wanting to be able to write something of my own, but have literally no idea where to start. Overwhelming is the perfect to describe where I am. |
| 23:43:36 | Bagder | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/docs/CONTRIBUTING?view=markup is a better (fixed) URL |
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| 23:43:58 | markun | Landus: is there a particular thing you would like to work on? |
| 23:44:16 | Bagder | Landus: writing a plugin (game, demo, etc) is a perfect start |
| 23:44:33 | bluebrother | hmm, CONTRIBUTING reminds me of the doxygen issue |
| 23:45:04 | markun | Bagder: or just trying to fix/alter/enhance some feature |
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| 23:45:48 | Landus | There is one. |
| 23:46:02 | Landus | Though, it might be a bit above and beyond. |
| 23:46:19 | markun | Landus: tell us |
| 23:46:32 | Landus | The headphones I have, one side is dead, so I've switched the sound setting channels to mono. |
| 23:46:41 | Landus | But during one of my periods during the day. |
| 23:46:49 | Landus | I can sneak into the school auditorium, and if it's empty. |
| 23:47:13 | Landus | I plug in my DAP into the sound board and put everything over the 16 speakers. |
| 23:48:10 | Landus | Switching from mono to stereo takes a minute, either from lack of RAM or hard drive activity. |
| 23:48:33 | Landus | I had an idea of making a faster way of getting to that menu. |
| 23:48:54 | Landus | But got lost as soon as I started trying to figure out how to start. |
| 23:49:14 | Landus | The A-B button brings up a menu if its held in. |
| 23:50:08 | Landus | I wanted to replace one of the existing selections with a way to change the channel setting. |
| 23:51:44 | markun | Landus: hm.. :) |
| 23:52:17 | markun | I don't understand you "either from lack of RAM or hard drive activity" statement |
| 23:52:36 | Landus | The firmware lags when I hold in the Navi button. |
| 23:53:00 | Landus | I figure that it's from a lack of RAM, or it taking a second for the hard drive to spin up. |
| 23:53:25 | donutman25 | would "C for Dummies" aid me in learning to program for rockbox? |
| 23:55:11 | markun | Landus: I don't think the hard drive should spin up if you hold the NAVI button. |
| 23:55:27 | linuxstb | Doesn't the NAVI button take you to the file browser (from the WPS) ? |
| 23:55:40 | Landus | Not if I hold it in from the WPS. |
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| 23:56:03 | linuxstb | Then you have the WPS context menu. |
| 23:56:03 | Landus | I get a menu that let's me look a few things, including sound settings. |
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| 23:56:30 | mr_pink | badger: unfortunately seaching for "contributing" to find the broken links results in finding every page in the wiki... stupid copyright footer! |
| 23:58:31 | Landus | I'm not sure why it lags, but it does, and it doesn't when I hold in the A-B button. |
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