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#rockbox log for 2007-04-06

00:02:02enthehand I wrote the first game from scratch too - so it's all my code
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00:11:21cadumarkun, have to talk with you man :)
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00:14:19markuncadu: I just came back
00:16:58caduit's about my F20 , that's losing battery continuously, people said, it can be a battery problem (reaching its age :P)
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00:18:38cadubut there's still a question shaking in my mind ..... an acquantaince of me (the person that actually bought the f20 at the recycled/used store, the one i told you...) said that he READ 'new product' at the store, and that's why he bought it....
00:19:22caduthese F20s are out-of-production here for more than a is there a chance that the player is really new, just stood for more than a year doing nothing, and the battery just turned out bad ?
00:19:48caduor could be a case of LIE ? :P anyway i'm already contacting toshiba japan for a battery replacement
00:21:00markuncadu: I don't know much about battery storage
00:21:48markunwould be nice if we could find a mobile phone or digital camera battery we could use in our Gigabeats
00:22:15cadui did some googleing and found a website saying that Li-Ions life is measured by storage (mainly, temperature and moisture levels) and DATE OF MANUFACTURE
00:23:19Soapone hour on the dashboard of a hot car can kill.
00:23:28cadupetur, so it could be a fact of a real 'new' product (spare from stores, the player is really crappy speaking of OF) or have i been cheated? :)
00:23:32markunI also read somewhere that they are best stored at 40% charged
00:23:47cadumarkun, i think we read the same material :)
00:24:22caduthere i also read that li-ions don't have memory effect, so it's better that you charge them whenever is necessary, not just wait for the battery to dry out, like common practice on Ni-CD and Ni-MH
00:24:34peturit should normally last at least 2-3 years, I don't think the battery can be that old already
00:25:11caduwell, the player is out-of-production here for more than 1 year for sure, 2 years is probable too
00:25:48cadui'm almost asking my acquaintance (which i traded the gigabeat for a 1gb flash player from cowon + some cash) if he lied to me.
00:26:03caduthat would end up with a surprising answer and/or END of acquaintance :)
00:26:26markunnah, it's probably just bad luck
00:26:39markundoes the player look used? scratches on the screen?
00:26:45caduno scratches, no nothing
00:26:48caduperfect, really
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00:26:59peturstill got warranty?
00:27:08caduwarranty from the recycle store
00:27:11cadu3 months
00:27:27peturif so, have the battery replaced, but make sure you get the same type of player back
00:27:59caduthey don't have another model, these recycle stores are like technology dumpsters
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00:28:24cadupeople buy and sell their gadgetries there , they also get stuff from stores that are closing etc
00:28:48caduthat's why i think the claim that he saw 'new' written in the player stick can be TRUE
00:29:30cadulike, now that i'm using it daily, the battery seems to start holding charge a bit less worse than before
00:29:54caduthe 'years without use, even being new' could have damaged/killed it ?
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00:30:33cadumarkun, btw, aren't the ipod batteries fittable ?
00:30:44markunI don't know
00:30:55markunnever saw a > 2g battery
00:31:17cadumarkun, people are selling like , batteries with 3 times the capacity of the ipod stock battery, but they don't post voltage levels and the battery dimensions/weight
00:31:52caduprobably the same voltage, it would be only a case of it fitting inside the gigabeat nicely and reworking the wires in the connector/totally bypassing it
00:32:35markuncadu: you need a perfect fit because the crosspad is being supported by the battery
00:33:07cadumarkun, nah, we could use a bit of hard foam (easy to find) and make up for the space :)
00:33:19cadueven a sponge would do if you're cheap
00:33:40markunlet me know how far you get
00:34:00markunmy battery is still working fine but I might want to update if I can get a lot more runtime
00:34:31cadumarkun, btw, about the battery here, right now it's with 20% charge (rockbox), if i turn it off now and turn it on like 10 hours later.... rockbox boots, plays a bit and shuts down (lowbatt) :(
00:35:24cadumarkun, i was thinking on a less violent solution, we could build a mini plastic box with like, space for 2AA's and a 5v voltage converter , then a charger plug or the mini-usb (charge via usb with rockbox on)
00:35:48caduhow long the runtime would be backed by 2 x 2600mah ni-mh aa's ?
00:35:59cadui wonder, veeeeery long :)
00:37:20markunyes, should be
00:37:54markunwe still don't know for sure if the battery in the X (830mah) is the same as the one in the F
00:39:40caduyours is a X ?
00:39:59markunno, F40
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00:40:23markunbut I believe the battery life of the X is lower, so maybe the F has a bigger battery
00:41:51BigBabyJesussome german here who can help me?i dont know how to describe my problem in english...
00:44:51peturBigBabyJesus: if none is available, I probably understand enough...
00:45:02BigBabyJesushmmm,ok.i will try
00:46:02BigBabyJesusin rockbox,i missing that "shuffle mode" for my whole music.but when i turn on shuffle mode in settings,it also plays single folders in shuffle mode..what can i do?
00:46:39peturBigBabyJesus: add all your music to one big playlist and shuffle that
00:47:21BigBabyJesushow do i shuffle my playlist?yesterday somebody allready told me to do that...but it dont work
00:50:09peturuse the context menu on your music folder and select playlist -> insert shuffled
00:50:25peturnote that I've never used this before ;)
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00:53:56blankyhey guys
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00:59:38BigBabyJesushow do i open the context menu?
00:59:52peturwhat player?
01:00:46peturor rtfm ;)
01:03:07peturon ipods: longpress select, on iriver h1x0/h3x0 longpress navi
01:03:23*petur read the f manual in the mean time...
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01:17:30emoonhi.. I just updated my rockbox version to the current one for ipod nano and when i play a tune it will play a for a few sec and then I will get this "data abort at 4000139C" error, it happens for diffrent type of formats as well. I searched the FAQ but couldn't find anything about it.
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01:20:07pixelmamaybe this forum thread could be helpful ;)
01:21:14emoondoh! thanks :)
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01:22:19pindongahello. does anyone know if it is possible to have filenames encoded in unicode (utf-8) in rockbox?
01:22:39pindongait appears that the default codepage setting is only for the mp3 metadata
01:25:32bluebrotherpindonga: the FAT filesystem uses UCS2 to encode the filenames
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01:25:54bluebrotherwhich means the filenames are kind of independent of a specific encoding.
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01:26:09bluebrotheryou most likely have a font that is missing characters. Tried unifont?
01:29:29emoonpixelma: yeah.. worked, thanx again :)
01:30:10pixelmaglad I could help :)
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01:38:52blankyI can't find the page I was looking at yesterday
01:38:59blankythe WPSIpod gallery for 4g
01:39:25linuxstb ?
01:40:41blankybut I was wathing one that was specific to ipod 4g, not it and h1x0
01:40:46blankybut maybe this one will do
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01:41:17Lloreanlinuxstb: In regards to the person with the magically sped up mpegplayer, if they're trying to RoLo, wouldn't that also mean they probably have the old mpegplayer.rock?
01:41:26blankythere's a WPS that says 'iriver' at the top, I'm trying to look for it to change it
01:43:05bluebrotherblanky: the themes fit for all players that have the same resolution. Maybe you're looking for
01:43:30blankybluebrother: no I meant the marquee theme that says 'iriver' at the top
01:43:33blanky'm going to edit the bmp
01:43:36blankyto make it say ipod haha
01:44:23bluebrotherthere is a theme called "marquee" that is part of the current build ...
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01:45:46blankybluebrother: what are you talking about?
01:45:46linuxstbLlorean: No, it would probably mean (until they reboot) that they are running an old rockbox.gigabeat with the new mpegplayer.rock. i.e. it wouldn't help explain what they are seeing.
01:46:01blankyI said the marquee theme in the current build for ipod 4g says 'iriver' at the top, that's all
01:47:16Lloreanlinuxstb: Well, I guess it depends on how they copied. I assumed they just copied the new rockbox.gigabeat over, thought they RoLo'd it and then re-ran mpegplayer in a "normal" situation.
01:47:32LloreanThough, that "1000 fps" thing is odd.
01:47:48LloreanAnd the first user is on an iPod5G supposedly
01:48:12LloreanI was thinking they were just seeing the outcome of jhMikes' optimizations without having noticed it before
01:48:27LloreanBut that wouldn't affect mr 5G
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01:48:42pearldiver1000 fps?
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01:49:52Lloreanpearldiver: See the mpegplayer thread in the compiling forum for some hard to explain behaviour.
01:50:15pearldiveryeah was looking at it this morning but i see more "strange" updates there
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01:51:12pearldiverbut...erm.. how theres a video on the screen with vo_draw_frame commented off
01:51:54pearldivermaybe its not faster, just the fps counter is off?
01:52:22SoapOh, I can explain the behavior.
01:52:30Lloreanpearldiver: Since he was describing the "video keeps playing after the end of file" issue happening, I assume that's part of it, yes.
01:52:48pearldiveroh, he actually says "the video is fast"
01:53:19Lloreanpearldiver: Play a 24fps video at ~40 (assuming he's playing the fullscreen file) and of course it'll be fast.
01:53:23*Soap 's cynical answer is "mass hysteria"
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01:53:55LloreanSoap: My best guess is "very very poor testing conditions, with normal behaviour, and perhaps a framerate display bug when it loops instead of exiting"
01:54:19Soapyou are more polite than me.
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02:05:40BetaI just installed ROckBox on my Sansa e200 series player
02:06:01BetaGot a couple skins
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02:07:13BetaI wanted to say thanks for a great product! this really improves the functionality and appearance. It froze once and I had to remove the battery, other than that, it works great
02:07:23BetaKeep up the good work
02:07:40LloreanYou should never need to remove the battery
02:07:50LloreanJust hold the power button down much longer than normal, and it triggers a hardware power off.
02:07:52hen3rzHello all, could i get some feedback on this feature request
02:08:00BetaHow much longer?
02:08:23LloreanBeta: It should be about 15 seconds
02:08:33Lloreanhen3rz: I don't understand the point. Why have that menu duplicate the main menu?
02:08:41BetaGah, didn't know that. Thanks, at least it wont happen again
02:08:57LloreanBeta: Nobody can know everything. :)
02:09:14Lloreanhen3rz: You mention having "File Browser" as an option in the WPS Context menu, for example.
02:09:30LloreanOr are you just talking about adding icons to the options?
02:09:40hen3rzLlorean: just adding icons
02:09:54hen3rzLlorean: Like the file browser and main menu have
02:10:03hen3rzLlorean just so there is consistency
02:10:40BetaI've had the player since the e200 series was fresh, the only letdown of the player was somewhat dissapointing firmware functionality, this fixes that. Unfortunately you can't use FM radio from within rockbox, if you can I haven't tinkered around enough to figure it out yet
02:11:44LloreanBeta: Not yet, you can't. One day though, but probably not too soon.
02:12:04Lloreanhen3rz: I can only assume that's planned.
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02:12:34hen3rzLlorean: uhh ok cool
02:12:45aegraylinuxstb: do you remember which audio chip spec we used for the 5g?
02:12:50aegray5g ipod*
02:13:00aegraypreglow: or preglow
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02:14:11Lloreanhen3rz: I don't think there's any reason we'd intentionally keep the menus from being consistent in style
02:14:35linuxstbaegray: My comments in the Rockbox driver say WM8983
02:16:00linuxstbaegray: We've since discovered at least one inconsistency though - the middle three bands of the hardware EQ don't appear to work in the 5g.
02:16:20linuxstbBut the high/low shelf filters do.
02:17:01hen3rzLlorean: haha off course but i thought it might be helpful to have the task listed.
02:17:11Bawitdabadid the 80gb ipod every get rockboxed or its still in dev
02:17:30linuxstbBawitdaba: No, no-one has done it yet.
02:17:40Bawitdabaah boo
02:18:47aegraylinuxstb: thanks :)
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02:33:25hen3rzshould the idle power off feature be disabled when in mpegplayer?
02:34:44blankyman I wished I could use C# on rockbox
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02:54:02hen3rzhello all would anyone like to comment on my bug report, not really sure if its a bug report but it seemed most fitting:
02:58:52linuxstbLlorean: Around?
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03:01:39linuxstbhen3rz: I know - I'm hoping he's monitoring the logs...
03:03:13linuxstbBut thanks :)
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03:14:09linuxstbAny Sansa users around willing to test an mpegplayer patch?
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03:15:15linuxstbThis is a simple copy of jhMikeS's optimised lcd_yuv_blit() function for the Gigabeat adapted to the Sansa.
03:15:29linuxstbIf it works, it should give a nice speed increase.
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03:22:43webguest70how do u tell if ur iriver h320 is a US model
03:23:07linuxstb^Everyone ignore the above patch, it's wrong...
03:24:11midgeywebguest70: if the bottom USB ports say "Media" and "Data" its US
03:25:29webguest70is it alot harder to install on the US version
03:26:10linuxstbI think the process is the same, but you lose the ability to play DRM-protected WMA
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03:27:03midgeyyou have to flash twice you were using the US version
03:27:10midgeyand he's gone...
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03:28:47isejhulst: hey
03:32:28linuxstbOK, hopefully correct this time -
03:34:14pindongabluebrother: thank you, I will look into finding this unifont you mention...
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03:47:27JdGordonNico_P: piing?
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03:48:04JdGordonshouldnt more tockens set *intval?
03:48:28Nico_PJdGordon: *intval is only used for conditionals/enums
03:48:50Nico_Pbut maybe
03:48:55JdGordonyep, shouldnt more be setting it so they can be?
03:49:57Nico_Pit's only needed for numerical values. When we only have true/false we have false <=> get_tag() returns NULL
03:51:19JdGordonalso, 6949 looks good to commit
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03:55:04Nico_Pfor ID3 version OK, but for VBR ??
03:55:17Nico_PJdGordon: VBR is true/false
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03:57:14Nico_Pand doesn't mention ID3 version can be used in an enum
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03:59:27Kolya33I found out lately that my Iriver H340 can play gameboy(color) games in rockboy emulation
03:59:33Kolya33Ever since then I've been playing Alien3 on the train
03:59:40Kolya33Those grey scale graphics and trashcan sounds are hypnotising
03:59:50Kolya33No really it's great and has plenty atmosphere
04:00:08Kolya33Diffferent tools and weapons to pick up and use
04:00:29Kolya33top down view and face huggers and aliens
04:00:45Kolya33Shooting them is kinda hopeless
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04:00:51Kolya33But that's okay
04:00:59Kolya33Aliens shouldn't die from a handgun
04:01:08Kolya33And I haven't got the flamethrower yet
04:01:19Kolya33Reminds me of when I played Alien Breed
04:01:38Kolya33But whenever I try to save the game it breaks with an error
04:02:06*Kolya33 tries to repeat it to get the error message
04:02:27LloreanJdGordon: By any chance do you know what a .zzz file is in the context of Rockbox?
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04:02:52JdGordonxobox maybe?
04:03:03JdGordonnot xoboz... zxbox
04:03:23LloreanJdGordon: It's supposed to open with Properties
04:03:40Kolya33Save error: I04:IllInstr at 1001400C
04:04:12Kolya33In gact I get that whenever I try to save any rockboy game
04:04:18JdGordonLlorean: hmm... no idea, ive never heard of that file
04:04:26LloreanJdGordon: I just noticed it in viewers.config
04:05:01Kolya33Is this a known issue or is it only on my player?
04:05:02JdGordonpeter is the person to ask...
04:05:08JdGordonaccording to svn he added that line
04:05:31LloreanKolya33: Those aren't the only two possibilities.
04:05:45JdGordonmy guess is he added that to test properties without having to go through the open with screen
04:05:47Kolya33What else is there=
04:05:50LloreanKolya33: Assuming this happens with a current SVN build, you should file a bug report.
04:06:04LloreanWell, it can be an unknown issue that isn't just your player.
04:06:08Kolya33It's a current build yeah
04:06:22Kolya33Okay I see
04:06:27LloreanWhat do you mean by current, though?
04:08:03LloreanThat's a daily
04:08:03Kolya33This one
04:08:12LloreanAlso, that changes every day.
04:08:21LloreanDo you mean "I downloaded this daily, today"?
04:08:37Kolya33No, um three days ago or so
04:08:50LloreanSo, it's not the "Current Build" link, nor is it current in the context of time.
04:09:03Kolya33I'm sorry?
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04:09:12Kolya33Where do I get the current build then?
04:09:20LloreanLook at the front page of the rockbox website.
04:09:25LloreanThere is a link that says "Current Build"
04:09:28Kolya33I will
04:10:02safetydanNico_P: shouldn't the WPS parser handle files that end without a newline?
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04:10:34Nico_Psafetydan: it handles files that don't end with a newline just fine. But the default RWPS isn't a file ;)
04:10:58safetydanNico_P, ah okay, thought it might be a special case, but figured I'd check
04:12:15Nico_Psafetydan: the actual parser relies on a newline at the end of the file. But when the files are read, one is added if not present
04:15:33Kolya33Llorean: I downloaded the current build and it throws the xact same rror unfortunately
04:15:54Kolya33exact same error*
04:15:57LloreanKolya33: Then you should file a bug report. Make sure to include the exact address.
04:16:08Kolya33Sure. Where?
04:16:32Kolya33I think I found it
04:16:57Nico_Psafetydan: btw, thanks for your commit
04:17:05Lloreanlinuxstb: It looks like it gains ~6fps. ED at 224x128 plays back at 21 or so with the old code, and 27 with the optimized code.
04:17:24safetydanNico_P: no problem. It was an easy way to win back some bytes.
04:18:02pearldiverLlorean more optimization?
04:18:08pearldiveror markun's one?
04:18:10Lloreanpearldiver: Sansa.
04:18:33scorche"Keep an eye on the announcement list for student allocations update (no word yet) "...still =/
04:18:39Nico_Psafetydan: are there any more easy optimisations i could try ? :)
04:19:26safetydanNico_P: not that I saw, or at least none that are worth the effort. Some of crop's suggestions would be a better place to go for space savings.
04:19:48Nico_Psafetydan: I'll probably have a go at those tomorrow
04:20:16hihocan i ask a basic question, the rockbox manual for sansa e200's says it does not support USB, can someone verify that loading files can be done thru USB easily? and is the sansa e200 a suitable rockbox platform? and is rockbox stable enough for this player. thanks.
04:21:15Lloreanhiho: Yes, yes, and "I don't know what you think stable enough means"
04:22:20LloreanThe audio is below part in Rockbox at the moment, though there is work ongoing there.
04:22:40LloreanBattery life is going to be worse than in the original firmware, until we solve the PortalPlayer problem, unpredictable as to when.
04:23:08safetydanyeesh, the lang v2 cleanup patch has fallen way out of sync
04:28:19hihook, perhaps i'll wait to buy the e260 for a while, i hope sandisk appreciates this group's efforts, that's the only reason i'm buying an e260. i don't like the sandisk ware on my m240. thanks again.
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05:45:26feindbildhi ^^
05:45:55feindbildis it a good idea to rely on this documentation for the install process: ?
05:47:04Lloreanfeindbild: That is the official manual, yes.
05:49:37feindbildLlorean: thank you. I just thought it might be incomplete/outdated ^^
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05:56:24JdGordonwhy would you think that?
06:09:37feindbildJdGordon: I don't know .... ^^ I'm just a bit paranoid about bricking my sansa ^^
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06:21:36webguest18I installed the daily build today on my h10 20gb, and it runs great after the addition of the dual proc support. Thanks to all devs tuned in.
06:23:12webguest18Good night all..
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07:49:13JdGordonscorche: thanks for that.. was a nice read
07:49:49JdGordontime to port rockbox to it
07:51:00scorcheyou might want to start off with just a plugin ;)
07:52:41JdGordonwell, ive been thinking of doing the ti-basic interpreter that was requested... maybe ill do this or brainfuck instead :p
07:54:39scorchewell, malbolge was designed to be much worse than BF...if you read the page ;)
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08:03:23cadui couldn't understand it completely , AHHAHAHA
08:03:26cadujust woke up tho :P
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09:11:05GaryBuseyHello, I have a problem with todays daily build for the 4th Gen. Grayscale iPod. I just wanted to quickly update my version of Rockbox so I swiped the old .rockbox folder with the new one. After doing that I loaded up Rockbox in hold mode which helped reset my previous settings. But when I tried to play a .flac file though, I got an error saying "codec error" which flashes on playback.
09:13:20peturcheck if there still a rockbox.ipod file in the root, and try using the rockbox bootloader
09:15:04amiconnhi petur
09:15:19amiconnBoot change detection is working like a charm now on archos :)
09:15:28amiconnTested it on my player...
09:15:36peturI thought you didn't need it? :p
09:15:57amiconnFor testing it's even enough to 'touch archos.mod'
09:16:35amiconnI didn't rely on it because it only worked in like 10% of all cases
09:16:44amiconnMaybe that'll change...
09:17:12caduguys, why windows tools ported from unix world (rsync/unison/whatever) can't rely on access date to do stuff?
09:17:20GaryBuseyWell there is still a rockbox.ipod file in the folder, but I'm not sure what you mean by the bootloader; do you want me to reinstall?
09:17:40cadutried to use unison on windows to synchronize my music folder with player, it has to scan thru everyfile to know if there are updates
09:17:54caduthis would kill my player and my hard drive :) and is slow as hell :P
09:18:08peturGaryBusey: remove the rockbox.ipod file from the root, it has been moved to the .rockbox folder
09:18:50peturand if that doesn't help, maybe install the latest bootloader? Don't know enough in that department *looks around*
09:18:57GaryBuseyI'll restart my iPod now then and test it.
09:20:38GaryBuseyIf I reinstall with the newest bootloader, will that erase the music still on the HD?
09:24:59peturit shouldn't
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09:37:33tunaI'm having trouble booting the Apple firmware
09:37:36GaryBuseyThank You, petur.
09:37:45tunaor in other words: it won't boot
09:38:01tunait looks like it's trying
09:38:05tunabut it doesn't boot
09:38:28tunano error messages, no text, nothing
09:39:52tunawhat happens: the HD starts whirring, the apple logo lights up, then the whirring stops and the backlight goes off. this cycle goes on and on until I turn the Hold switch off and then it boots to Rockbox
09:40:09tunaI have a 30 gig FAT 32 iPod Video
09:41:31linuxstbtuna: As a test, try running ipodpatcher again, and select "u" to uninstall the Rockbox bootloader, and see if the AppleOS starts.
09:41:42linuxstbjhMikeS: Around?
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09:43:41tunaomg i don't think it is!
09:43:56tunait's doing the thing i described minus the backlight...
09:44:08tunaapple logo... whirring HD
09:44:21tunabut i think it's whirring at a slower pace...
09:44:58linuxstbWhat's the history of your ipod? i.e. what have you installed on it in the past?
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09:45:32tunathis is the first non-apple thing
09:45:56linuxstbSo it stopped working as soon as you installed Rockbox?
09:46:05tunabasically :/
09:47:52tunaperhaps I should plug it into itunes or something?
09:47:56linuxstbIt sounds like something went wrong with the install - e.g. you disconnected your ipod before your computer had finished writing the changes to the disk.
09:48:04tunathat sucks
09:48:12tunawhat can i do about it?
09:48:24linuxstbThe only thing I can suggest is to restore it via itunes - this will delete all the music on your player, so you'll have to resync with itunes.
09:48:49tunadelete all the itunes from it?
09:49:06tunawell i didn't have much anyway
09:49:14linuxstbWhen itunes repairs an ipod, it deletes all the music on it.
09:49:16tunaok, brb
09:49:44linuxstbYou'll need to make sure it's in disk mode first, otherwise Windows and itunes won't see it.
09:50:00tunai forgot, how do I put it in disk mode?
09:50:26linuxstbHold MENU+SELECT to reset, then immediately press and hold SELECT+PLAY
09:50:56tunagot it. brb
09:55:57tunaok, it's syncing
09:56:27tunalooks like I'll have a wealth of podcasts to listen to on the school bus when I get back from Spring Break. :D
09:57:03tunaThank you so much. I think that until a stable release for the 5g is out, I'll stick with the Apple firmware.
09:57:11tunaThank you again for your help.
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10:03:37markunGenre9mp3: so, did you have fun with your new player?
10:04:18linihi guys
10:04:23liniquick question
10:04:24markunlini: hi
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10:04:47liniHow do i make the player go through all folders and play all files
10:05:03linii remember that the auto change directory option did that
10:05:16linibut setting it to yes seems to have no effect
10:05:25markundo you have repeat on?
10:05:37liniat first yes
10:05:43linithen i switched it off
10:05:49liniit should be off, right?
10:05:59Genre9mp3markun: a lot of... :)
10:06:10markunwhat I do to play all dirs is to just insert them all in the playlist
10:06:17linuxstblini: What happens when Rockbox finishes one folder? Does it stop?
10:06:25linii'll check
10:06:27markunyou need to have recursive insert on in the playlist options
10:06:35linii just updated to the latest daily
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10:08:03Genre9mp3markun: I have to admit that the Gigabeat is a very elegant device compared to the H300
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10:09:21Genre9mp3markun: The only thing that I somehow found difficult to get used to is the "cross"
10:10:01liniok it works now
10:14:15markunGenre9mp3: I wrote a different driver for the cross, but not sure yet how to use it.
10:15:08markunin what way are you having problems with i?
10:15:30Genre9mp3I'm talking about the feel when pressing it
10:16:12markunyes, you don't get any feedback
10:16:49Genre9mp3and when you use it in the dark it's even more weird
10:16:51markunbut I prefer it over my H120 joystick which makes a lot of noise when you try to play sudoku in the train :)
10:17:20markunwell, both have their advantages I guess
10:18:09Genre9mp3You listen to the noise of the joystick when on the train??? You must have very quiet trains then! :)
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10:19:17Genre9mp3markun: do the buttons light up in Rockbox, too?
10:19:22linuxstbI have the same complaint about the h1x0.
10:21:14markunGenre9mp3: gotthardt was working on better button light settings, but I didn't hear from him in a while. It shouldn't be too much work.
10:21:19Genre9mp3I know what do you both mean about the H100... to add more on button complaints, the ones on H300 have a nice feedback but they feel cheap
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10:21:45markunHow's the X5 joystick?
10:21:59Genre9mp3markun: Does the cross light up, too? (I don't remember)
10:22:06markunno, it doesn't
10:22:10Genre9mp3ah pity
10:22:13linuxstbmarkun: It seems all the gigabeat hackers have disappeared - there haven't been any gigabeat-specific commits for a while...
10:22:20Genre9mp3that would help in the dark
10:22:33markunlinuxstb: true, I think most have lost interest after the hard part was over
10:23:00linuxstbmarkun: Has anyone worked on rolo? Now petur has fixed the rockbox change detection, it's annoying it doesn't work on the gigabeat...
10:23:30markunI think someone worked on it briefly, but then didn't come back
10:23:47markunI think he wanted to use it to load a linux kernel too, not sure
10:24:25markunbut now that more of the old rockbox devs are getting a Gigabeat maybe some of these low level features will be implemented
10:24:43markunlinuxstb: and sorry for calling you old, you know what I mean :)
10:25:08linuxstbMaybe, but it takes a lot of effort to learn a new port in that much detail.
10:25:18linuxstbi.e. coming to it this late.
10:25:39markunyes, that's true
10:25:50linuxstbLots of devs have ipods, but there is very little low-level ipod development.
10:26:38linuxstbIt's now mostly dan_a and barrywardell, as side-effects of the Sansa port...
10:28:32jhMikeSlinuxstb: around now
10:30:41linuxstbjhMikeS: I have two mpegplayer-related questions - 1) In which order does your lcd_yuv_blit for the gigabeat write pixels to the LCD? Is it the correct order for adapting to "normal" LCDs (i.e. left->right, top->bottom); 2) How are your mpegplayer improvements coming along?
10:36:28jhMikeS1) It write top to bottom, backs up, moves over one row and writes the next 2) Coming along great, I've got videos playing reasonably well and synced that wouldn't even spit out a minimum framerate before. Perfectly smooth and synced when it can decode fast enough.
10:37:38jhMikeSI did give markun a patch of the roughing in and it's still on my twiki main page if you want to check it out.
10:37:52markunjhMikeS: I showed it to him already :)
10:38:02jhMikeSoh hehe...had no idea
10:38:14markunbut yes, very smooth now
10:38:18linuxstbJust a couple of minutes ago... It looks like the cleanup the code needed.
10:38:55markunjhMikeS: did you manage to not decode the skipped B frames?
10:39:05jhMikeSit's part of it. seeking really needs to be there even if a video is started from the beginning and the earliest stream sets the time
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10:40:16jhMikeSyes, it goes B->render drop->P->I when dropping. dropping B's has a profound effect and actually cut dropping by a factor of 4 to 5 on edgy videos
10:40:33linuxstbOne maybe minor thing - you call rb->priority_yield() without checking for HAVE_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING
10:41:05jhMikeSIf HAVE_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING isn't defined, it macros to yield anyway
10:41:48linuxstbEven rb->priority_yield() ?
10:42:37jhMikeSyes, since "priority_yield" get #defined as "yield". that token should get replaced anywhere.
10:43:34linuxstbBTW, I adapted your lcd_yuv_blit for the Sansa last night - Llorean posted in the logs that it gained about 6fps
10:43:50linuxstbAlmost nothing to do - just a copy and paste, and replacing 240 with LCD_WIDTH in the .S file.
10:44:11linuxstbBut it means lcd-as-meg-fx.S is shared between the gigabeat and sansa.
10:45:08jhMikeShmmm...maybe it requires other strategies. the 920T core is pipelining sensitive and it was arranged to eliminate stalling
10:45:36linuxstbSo you think it's worth copying the .S file, so it can be optimised more in the future?
10:45:59linuxstbOr would you prefer I didn't commit it at all?
10:46:00jhMikeSit might be. when I get my sansa I'll goof around with it and see if it likes something else.
10:46:39jhMikeSdoes sansa have IRAM?
10:46:56amiconnafaik it does
10:47:04amiconnShould be 128KB like the PP5022
10:47:08linuxstbI would guess 128KB, same as the PP5021/22....
10:47:39jhMikeSwas thinking something but realized that the stack buffers should already be iram
10:47:48linuxstbAlthough IRAM doesn't help PP targets to the same extent as Coldfire.
10:48:35jhMikeScould be instuction order isn't as critical there
10:48:37amiconnBecause of PP having a data cache
10:48:48amiconnThe PP5002 is an exception though
10:49:21amiconnjhMikeS: Where did you find information about arm pipelining btw?
10:49:48CtcpIgnored 4 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
10:49:48*amiconn guesses pipelining of the 920T and the 720TDMI aren't very different
10:49:51jhMikeSin the 920T core docs. you'll stall memory loads if you access the registers loaded to right off
10:50:23amiconnSounds familiar... SH1 also does this
10:51:32jhMikeSx86 is the same as well so it's rather familiar. but there seem to be some other suble things that gave it more speed as far as ordering register access after certain instructions...again familiar
10:55:08jhMikeSjust an instuction order change resulted in about 2 more fps
10:58:28amiconnHehe, instruction order is sometimes very important
10:59:19amiconnFor SH1, there is a detailed explanation of pipelining in the manual. Some time back I managed to make the lcd write 10% faster by just reordering instructions
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11:01:47jhMikeSwith the bandwith needed for the gigabeat lcd it'll tell you the news pretty positively
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11:04:23jhMikeSlinuxstb: I guess if the sansa runs better with that routine, use it. It can always be split away easily if some variation turns out better for it.
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11:06:22linuxstbOK. The only issue is that now the Sansa is using files from the gigabeat target tree directory... So if the file is shared, it should probably be moved up a couple of levels (into target/arm/) and renamed.
11:08:55jhMikeShmmm...well if you think that's a good idea. again, not a problem to rearrange if nescessary I suppose.
11:10:35amiconnIn this case it might be better to copy it instead.
11:11:00amiconnWhile it's shared between gigabeat and sansa, it doesn't apply to all the other arm targets
11:11:31jhMikeSwhat was the framerate before the 6fps increase?
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11:19:02jhMikeSah, found it, 21 to 27 (28%) but on gigabeat 25 to 40 (60%)...hehe
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11:20:02linuxstbOK, I'll copy the .S file and commit.
11:20:13linuxstbBTW, is the (ARM) asm version less accurate than the C version? I've just made it work on the ipod video, and there seems to be more visible blocking effects than I remember.
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11:20:42linuxstb(although I haven't tried mpegplayer on the video for a while)
11:22:03jhMikeSit should be brighter than before since the 16-235 range is mapped to 0-255
11:26:08jhMikeSwere the rerangings by markun in the old code compared? they were corrected but not for long so I don't know what's being compared here.
11:26:15*amiconn doesn't like mirak's idct patch rotting away in the tracker :(
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11:28:41linuxstbSomeone also needs to try and optimise IRAM usage on the Coldfire targets - I think mirak gained a lot via IRAM with his patch, but it now doesn't apply due to libmad using IRAM.
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11:28:59jhMikeSand yes, it's less accurate but that should actually darken the output a little and compress the deltas in the dark colors
11:29:39linuxstbBut would a possible side-effect be more visible blocking?
11:29:41jhMikeSwith coldfire you can gain almost the same using bursts
11:32:05jhMikeSI'm not sure how actually. I'd really think it would have to do with stretching the ranges to the RGB ranges.
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11:33:14snehi all, discussion about rockbox, in this channel, is only english language? may be exist people forim Russia or speak on rus lang)?
11:34:06snesorry for bad eanglish(
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11:35:02ChocoboKnightcan anyone give me assistance in rockbox?
11:35:15ChocoboKnighti installed rockbox and it stuffed up
11:35:26ChocoboKnightnow when i connect my ipod to the usb, it doesnt load
11:35:57jhMikeSWith the code before reranging, the display would have been darker, it assumed black was 0, and the range was 0 to 255 as it is in JPEG.
11:36:09markunsne: we have some russian users, but maybe non of them is here now
11:36:21snemarkun: thx
11:36:58linuxstbjhMikeS: Are you close to committing your mpegplayer changes? I don't want to do any more work on it until you do.
11:36:58jhMikeSlinuxstb: suppose you can compare markuns change just before the asm...I guess I'll have a look myself.
11:37:10markunChocoboKnight: This maybe
11:37:31linuxstbChocoboKnight: What does your ipod show on the screen?
11:37:57ChocoboKnightloading rockbox.ipod:
11:38:12ChocoboKnightcan't load rockbox.ipod
11:38:15ChocoboKnightfile not found
11:38:19linuxstbThen you didn't actually install Rockbox, just the bootloader...
11:38:21jhMikeSand "close" means? :p maybe days...I want a few things simplified and the framedropping perfected...which is a bit of an art to make it as pleasing as possible
11:38:31ChocoboKnightpress menu+sel to reboot then select+play for diskmode
11:38:43linuxstbjhMikeS: "close" means hours. :)
11:39:04linuxstbChocoboKnight: Do what your ipod tells you, then install Rockbox.
11:39:05ChocoboKnighthow do i fix this problem?
11:39:14ChocoboKnighthow do i install?
11:39:22linuxstbFollow _all_ the steps in the manual.
11:39:54ChocoboKnighti'm at disk mode
11:39:58linuxstbYou basically need to download the for your ipod and extract the contents to your ipod.
11:40:13linuxstbPlus also do the same with the fonts zip file.
11:40:46ChocoboKnighti've downloaded
11:40:51ChocoboKnighthow i install those?
11:40:59markunChocoboKnight: just unzip
11:41:03ChocoboKnightand then
11:41:18markunthat's all
11:41:23markununzip them to your ipod
11:41:35linuxstbAs I said, the manual tells you exactly what to do.
11:43:16jhMikeSlinuxstb: if we measure a couple days in hours sure, just hours away :P
11:43:33ChocoboKnightunzip the build to the root directory of your player like you did before
11:43:40ChocoboKnightwhat step
11:44:17linuxstbjhMikeS: ;)
11:44:31jhMikeSlinuxstb: a big deal if it glitches the frames a little in the first second or so? sometimes audio starts after video and seeking really should be done at the start and in a separate layer imo
11:44:43snemay i ask some questions about compile rockbox, and source code here?
11:45:04linuxstbChocoboKnight: To quote the manual - "Use the ?Extract all? command of your unzip program to extract the files in the .zip file onto your player. Note that the entire contents of the .zip file should be extracted directly to the root of your player?s drive. Do not try to create a separate directory or folder on your player for the Rockbox files! The .zip file already contains the internal directory structure that Rockbox needs."
11:45:42jhMikeSI have it set up to run the clock at all times even if no audio is present. I don't think a continuous audio stream can be assumed or even that there is one.
11:45:53jhMikeSI'm not using that atm now though
11:46:12linuxstbWhy would there not be a continuous audio stream?
11:46:48linuxstbIt's also quite common for the audio and video streams to start at different times, so it would be good to avoid glitches in those cases.
11:47:20linuxstbsne: Sure, ask your questions.
11:47:55jhMikeSof course, but by seeking the streams to their starts with the same code that would seek anywhere else in the file and setting the clock to the earliest start
11:50:00linuxstbSounds reasonable. So are you planning to implement seeking as well?
11:50:04jhMikeSalso, I don't think MPEG requires a continuous audio stream. it can have gaps
11:51:00snei have ipod video 30gb, volume controls by circular cirsensor, in range -58..6dB with step 1dB. i editing in ./firmware/sound.c array of sound_settings_info type. set step to 10, compile and upload firmware to mi ipod. But step was not change..
11:51:00jhMikeSI don't know yet. probably not in this update anyway.
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11:51:46jhMikeSIn fact I don't thing MPEG requires a continuous steam for anything, you have to use the timestamps and keep the clock going
11:51:54linuxstbjhMikeS: No, it doesn't.
11:52:09linuxstbI mean it doesn't require continuous streams.
11:52:45linuxstbsne: How did you copy your updated Rockbox to your ipod? Did you just copy the rockbox.ipod file?
11:53:27mickLooking at the recent patch by petur I'm thinking whether it would be possible to have hierarchical config. Do I have to explain what I mean?
11:53:57snelinuxstb: no, i do make all, make zip, and unpack. range is changing, but step - no (
11:55:28jhMikeSlinuxstb: does it allow for midsteam samplerate changes? I never found anything saying it did. Also, I guess the way to keep the clock going is keep sending silence when the buffer is empty, when it gets data it switches over.
11:56:42linuxstbjhMikeS: It probably does... But I think it's reasonable for mpegplayer to put certain limitations on the input files, such as a single samplerate and continuous audio and video streams.
11:57:23mickAnotehr question: should "make zip" also compile if the sources have changed?
11:58:33markunmick: would be nice yes
11:59:23linuxstbBut it looks to have been a deliberate choice not to make it do that - Bagder would probably know for sure.
11:59:44mickmarkun: "would"? Isn't it a standard feature of make?
12:00:25linuxstbmick: make just follows whatever dependency rules the Makefile author writes.
12:00:30jhMikeSI'm thinking it shouldn't be any harder to delay audio in a similar manner to just can wait till the clock says it's ready. I'm trying to avoid absolute references to the first frame except in stream seeking I'm framing it out a bit. Audio can be both a clock and wait it's turn without much trouble.
12:01:08linuxstbjhMikeS: I have a collection of troublesome files that show different a/v sync problems. Would you like them?
12:02:21micklinuxstb: that's what I've thought :-) But I haven't looked into the generated make files. I once tried it (make zip) and it didn't compile, so I had to call "make" manually
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12:02:58linuxstbmick: And there are no stated dependencies for zip:, so I can only assume that was deliberate.
12:02:59markunmick: I know it's standard in make, but not used in our Makefile or else you wouldn't be suggesting it.
12:03:39mickWas it deliberate? Why? What are the reasons? I can't see any.
12:04:49markunmick: maybe you can find something in the svn log
12:04:57jhMikeSlinuxstb: sure, link me up
12:05:22linuxstbjhMikeS: I'll need to collect them together and upload them. Give me a short time (minutes...)
12:05:28mickmarkun: what should I look at? Isn't the makefile generated by some perl script?
12:06:08mick...i.e. by tools/configure? Or is there a "template"?
12:06:12jhMikeSlinuxstb: what audio stream types are legal in MPEG1 and MPEG2 video? I think a clock can be based on common factors of all of them so the units are constant.
12:07:33markunmick: I think this is the commit:
12:07:34linuxstbjhMikeS: MPEG program streams can contain anything in private data streams, including audio...
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12:07:58linuxstbjhMikeS: So in theory, I think you could put any format audio you wanted in with an MPEG video stream.
12:08:22linuxstbBut the only ones I've seen are MPEG audio, AC3, DTS and uncompressed PCM
12:08:48linuxstbPlus MLP (Meridian Lossless Packing) in DVD-Audio program streams, but they don't have a video stream...
12:09:11markunlinuxstb: does mp3 have a better compression ratio (for the same quality) than ac3?
12:09:36linuxstbI've no idea.
12:09:42markunmick: so you can ask Bagder when he gets back
12:10:03linuxstbI would expect lame to be far better than any free AC3 encoder though...
12:10:46jhMikeSif we just support mpa that limits the sample rates to 8000, 11025, 12000, 22050, 24000, 32000, 44100, 48000
12:10:57mickmarkun: ...or just add the dependency :-) (I'm not a committer though) Is there a special target for compiling? So I could call make xxx zip?
12:13:33mickI have many names in the "buddy" list of this channel but the never post anything. Are they just lurking? Or do they login automatically?
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12:15:32linuxstbmick: I think I prefer the current "make zip" behaviour. It gives me the choice of either building a zip from my last build, without the delay of checking dependencies, or if I type "make && make zip", then it will rebuild (if necessary) and then make the zip.
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12:17:00micklinuxstb: that's what I wanted to know. This would be ok for me too. What does "&&" mean? Is it a shell command?
12:17:54jhMikeSlinuxstb: the lost video is actually badly synced in itself. do the files you're uploading still show trouble with the patch?
12:18:29BagderI removed the dependency zip => build to better allow building zips even if the build (partially) failed
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12:19:06Bagdermick: its a conditional so that the second command is only run if the first ran fine
12:19:26iwantanimacAnyone else have trouble with Apt-Get on the VMWare image?
12:19:28mickBagder: thanks for clarification. It's ok then
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12:21:32mickIs it possible to specify the "archos" folder when starting the sim?
12:22:50Bagdermick: no
12:23:04Bagderbut making it a symlink is nice
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12:23:51mickWas it also deliberate (as in "link is enough") or has nobody just done it?
12:24:23iwantanimaccan anyone help me with the VMWare image?
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12:24:36mickCan I use links under windows? (I know you guys use linux)
12:26:20mick bagder: can we have hierarchical configs? So that e.g. the last "boot dir" symbol would be defined at a higer level (and thus at less places)?
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12:29:05jhMikeSI'd love to have the decoder fast enough so that dithering can be used on gigabeat. it would improve video appearance alot since greater accuracy would be needed anyhow.
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12:30:31jhMikeScome to think of it...I might try it anyway...the instruction count would hardly change since it has that shifter
12:32:33linuxstbWhat about scaling? The gigabeat's CPU should (at least with some more optimisation) be able to decode VCD files (352x240 for NTSC, 352x288 for PAL)
12:35:04jhMikeSsure...could try it out. I also want to look into other things the decoder can do besides drop frames for might be possible to rotate there
12:35:32jhMikeSthat would compact the yuv conversion a bit too
12:36:09jhMikeS...and do something that the CPU is designed for and that is accessing memory in a contiguous fashion
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12:44:50*Nico_P just got his H320 back with a new HDD and a new battery, courtesy of iriver :)
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12:48:28fliegenderfroschI just wanted to do an upgrade of my rockbox-version, and now the rockbox.iriver-file has been moved into the .rockbox-folder. Does this mean, that I have to move it back to the root directory of my player or can I just delete the old rockbox.iriver file?
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12:48:54iwantanimacdelete the old one, as long as you have the latest bootloder.
12:49:21jhMikeSlinuxstb: where're my links? :)
12:51:05peturfliegenderfrosch: the new location is in the .rockbox directory, remove any other copy of the file that is elsewhere
12:51:33fliegenderfroschpetur, does that mean i have to update the bootloader?
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12:53:13peturfliegenderfrosch: on ipod I presume? could be, I'm not an ipod master ;)
12:53:31fliegenderfroschpetur, no, on an iriver h140
12:53:39pixelmapetur: rockbox.iriver on an ipod? ;)
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12:54:08*petur rereads above conversation and slaps forehead
12:54:34peturfliegenderfrosch: unless you've got a very old bootloader...
12:54:35Genre9mp3poor forehead..
12:55:13fliegenderfroschpetur, it says "Version 6"
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12:55:42petursounds ok
12:55:59peturanyway, you'll notice if it doesn't work ;)
12:56:49jhMikeSNico_P: translate? iRiver fixed an older model right and didn't charge? just try that one with Cowon if you ever get the chance.
12:57:14fliegenderfroschpetur, ok, thanks. i'm going to try it
12:57:30Nico_PjhMikeS: I sent my H320 under warranty to have the battery and HDD replaced
12:57:52Nico_PI have no iAudio player
12:58:45jhMikeSand it still works? amazing. if it were Cowon something else would surely be broken even though it was "tested thoroughly by the service department". :p
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13:01:20*jhMikeS just can't help bash them a little bit whenever something related to iAudio or service comes up in IRC
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13:07:32Nico_PjhMikeS: It's charging right now so I don't know if it works
13:07:48Nico_Pbut last time I sent it to them it came back working fine
13:09:10jhMikeSdefinitely a better experience than Cowon. everytime they fixed one thing they broke another and I don't even want em to touch it, I'll figure out a parts source and do it myself.
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13:28:41amiconnNico_P: Does the wps tokenizer support .wps files with dos style line ends?
13:30:39Nico_Pamiconn: not sure... the "file to memory" process is the same as before but maybe the parser is a bit more sensitive
13:30:52Nico_PI'll try
13:31:09*amiconn could just try it himself
13:32:48Nico_Pamiconn: seems to work fine but I'm not fully confident in the conversion, so a confirmation wouldn't hurt :)
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13:41:59linuxstbjhMikeS: Sorry, I got dragged away from my computer. I'm uploading them to my website now, but they'll take about 30 minutes. (it's about a 100MB zip)
13:43:26jhMikeSthanks. have to go in a little bit and was worried I'd miss out on these too.
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15:30:29raphiI know it's the wrong irc channel, but can someone tell me, what happens when i connect an 8 Ohm Amp, to 6 Ohm Speakers?
15:32:23jhMikeSyou get a 3.428 Ohm speaker amp?
15:33:25raphi? Don't understand.... Does it damage the speakers or the amp in any way?
15:35:55bluebrotherusually it won't, but it can, especially if you use really loud volume ...
15:36:14bluebrotherbut most amps can drive 4 - 8 Ohms anyway.
15:36:30raphiok, thanks, then i'll buy it :-D
15:36:49raphian old traditional yamaha ax530 :-D
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15:39:46OinkersHas anybody had any luck figuring out why the sound on the mpegplayer has static on the H10 5G?
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16:50:29roolkuNico_P: what do you mean by "strictly positive tiemout" ? does this mean %t0 is not possible anymore? This is a very useful feature (even documented with an example on CustomWPS) and should definitely stay.
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17:07:55Nico_Proolku: I've tested this with the iAmp WPS and it works, even though the sublines can't be disabled
17:08:26roolkuroolku: but that is the point. one needs to be able to disable sublines
17:08:33Nico_Pthe problem is that once a subline is disabled it won't be shown ever again even if it should be
17:08:53Nico_Proolku: the subline isn't actually disabled but it isn't shown
17:09:03roolkuNico_P: what do you mean by problem? a design flaw in the tokenizer?>
17:09:33*roolku is confused
17:10:11Nico_Pwell it's not a desingn flaw but it's something that can't work exactly like the old code did
17:10:16roolkuNico_P: you mean you can turn it off but not on again?
17:10:45roolkuNico_P: does the example from CustomWPS still work?
17:10:50Nico_Proolku: yes. if it's turned off it won't ever be turned on again
17:11:37roolkuNico_P: what is ever?
17:11:52roolkuNico_P: this is not good
17:12:13Nico_Proolku: not sure what example you are tlaking about. Also, it's not possible to have different sets of sublines depending on a conditional value aymore
17:12:34TheSphinX^afkcould it be that the subline now is simply hidden and not disabled, because it couldn't reactivated? or am I missundarstanding?
17:12:40roolkuNico_P: this is really bad, breaks my WPS big time
17:12:50Nico_Proolku: can I see your WPS ?
17:13:26roolku(unless I misunderstand "set of sublines"?)
17:15:08Nico_Proolku: actually I misunderstood the example... I thought i was something like "%?it<..A.;..B.|..C..;...D..>"
17:15:50Nico_Pso what I said was wrong
17:17:38roolkuso something like: %?it<%t4%ia|%t4[%d1]>%ar%?fa<|F|A|D>%?fl<|8|L|S|T>%?rp<| %rp>%?rr<|/%rr>;%?ic<%t4(%ic)|%t0> would still work?
17:18:23roolkusimplified: %?it<%t4%ia|%t4[%d1]>;%?ic<%t4(%ic)|%t0>
17:18:51roolkui.e. alternate comment with title only if there is a comment?
17:20:09Nico_Proolku: well the %t0 will be "replaced" by an implicit %t2, but if there's no composer the second subline probably will never be shown
17:20:50Nico_Pso you could rewrite it more simply : %?it<%t4%ia|%t4[%d1]>;%?ic<%t4(%ic)>
17:21:00Nico_PI think this should do what you want it to do
17:21:12Nico_PI'll even try it
17:23:20roolkuah, so in order to "disable" sublines you have to make them empty now?
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17:24:24Nico_Proolku: yes, that works
17:25:06Nico_Pin fact empty lines aren't drawn, so an empty subline won't replace the previous one
17:25:27roolkuokay thanks, I guess I just saw that %t0 was disallowed now and paniced. :)
17:25:53roolkuNico_P: hang on - so how to you blank a line?
17:25:58Nico_PI'll have to make some changes to the CustomWPS page
17:26:22roolku*do you
17:26:44Nico_Proolku: a space works
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17:30:42Nico_Proolku: the only problem (I hope it won't be too serious though) is that the timeout value for the subline that isn't shown is still honored
17:30:48Nico_Pan example : %?it<%t0.5%ia|%t0.5[%d1]>; %t0.5;%t0.5%?ic<(%ic)>
17:31:33Nico_Pwhen there is no composer, you'll have the title for half a second and the blank line for 1 second
17:32:40roolkuis it difficult to change the parser to ignore the |%t0 ? So that the existing syntax can stay? Would save me from having to edit all the wps - I just did a grep in my wps folder and it came up in 25 files. :(
17:34:11Nico_Proolku: it will be ignored... or rather understood as a %t2
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17:35:02roolkuNico_P: but surely this is not the intention ?
17:36:10Nico_Pwhat do you mean ?
17:36:57roolkuI have a line along of %?x1<%t4(%x1)|%t0>;%?x2<%t4(%x2)|%t0>;%?x2<%t4(%x2)|%t0>;%?x3<%t4(%x3)|%t0>
17:37:35roolkuso this becomes: %?x1<%t4(%x1)|%t2>;%?x2<%t4(%x2)|%t0>;%?x2<%t4(%x2)|%t2>;%?x3<%t4(%x3)|%t2> now?
17:38:06roolkuI want to display (optional) information for 4s only if it is available
17:38:29roolku%x1 %x2 %x3 %x4 - fictional tags
17:38:30Nico_Pwith your code it will only be displayed it it's available
17:39:15Nico_Pthe timing probably won't be the exact same as before but the same tags will be displayed
17:39:19Nico_Pyou should try it
17:40:42roolkuso when x2 is not available, can you give the times of how long x1, x2 x3 are displaye?
17:41:20roolkuI undestand x1 for 8s, x3 for 4s and x4 for 4s?
17:41:32roolkuthis is not what I want :(
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17:41:58roolkualso you said %t0 changes to %t4, so it would be
17:42:07roolkuI undestand x1 for 6s, x3 for 4s and x4 for 4s?
17:42:35roolkuwhy x2 f 8s ???
17:42:38Nico_Pactually yes, that should be right
17:42:44Nico_P6, 4, 4
17:43:05roolkuhow do I achieve 4,4,4 ?
17:43:25roolkuit is getting worse when x2 and x3 are missing
17:43:26Nico_Pmaybe replace the %t0 by a %t0.1
17:43:40Nico_Pthat should be very close to what you want
17:43:44roolku8,4 if I understand correctly
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17:44:51*roolku still thinks this is a serious breach of compatibility
17:45:34Nico_Proolku: you're the first to complain about it :)
17:45:40roolkuI don't understand the why it shouldn't be possible achieve the original behaviour
17:46:17webguest77Hello everybody . I want to ask a question : do Roxbox works on iPon nano (1 gen) firmware version 1.3.1 ?
17:46:22roolkuyour commit only just happened
17:46:30bluebrotherwebguest77: it works.
17:46:43bluebrotherafaik ;-)
17:46:43webguest77are you sure ?
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17:47:05bluebrotherI don't think the ipods rely on the OF version
17:47:06Nico_Proolku: I'll see if it is possible to reproduce the exact same behaviour
17:47:15bluebrotherit doesn't work on the 2nd gen nano
17:47:19Nico_Pbut I can't give any guarantees
17:47:23roolkuNico_P: thank you
17:47:31roolkuNico_P: please try
17:47:39webguest77ok, i know that, what means OF ?
17:48:04Lloreanbluebrother: There have been cases in the past of Apple changing their Original Firmware so that an installation of Rockbox breaks it, but I believe that was wholly because our old installation process didn't have flexibility in it.
17:48:30roolkuNico_P: replacing %t0 with an (arbitary) %t2 doesn't seem like a clean solution
17:49:57bluebrotheroh. Never heard of that (at least from what I can remember ;-)
17:50:16bluebrotherbtw, I just booted IPL using the RB bootloader. Wasn't complicated to setup at all
17:50:29bluebrother(as I had to do a manual setup anyway)
17:50:33Lloreanbluebrother: It happened very briefly with v 1.2. We didn't handle the RCSC image, and for some reason that caused no songs to show up in the apple firmware.
17:50:38vertic23hey bluebrother
17:50:52LloreanYeah, the only "hard" part of setting up iPL with the RB loader is making yourself an ext2 partition. Not really "hard" though. :)
17:50:55webguest77i donot sure i fully understood , but thanks anyway, but do you think it is safe to load rockbox into 1.3.1 ipod ? i mean is there are possibility to fall back the changes safely
17:51:09Lloreanwebguest77: Yes, it's safe as long as you just follow the instructions
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17:52:40bluebrotherwebguest77: you can't break the hardware of the ipod by installing something. In the worst cases of all you can always restore using the restore tool of itunes
17:53:29Lloreanlinuxstb: I'm not sure if you saw it in the logs, but it sounds like the H10 5/6gb does the same as the Sansa regarding audio in the plugin
17:53:35Lloreanlinuxstb: Err, mpegplayer plugin
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17:59:08xllhawksllxhey people
17:59:42xllhawksllxi was wondering, is there anything to hack the second generation ipod. or version 1.1.2? 4 gig nano ipod?
17:59:47bluebrotherLlorean: what do you think of FS #6983? Doesn't look like something we need to have open.
18:00:01bluebrotherxllhawksllx: 2nd generation nano or what?
18:00:12xllhawksllxyes, 2nd genration ipod
18:00:17bluebrotherRockbox runs fine on my 2nd gen mini :)
18:00:38bluebrothersee the discussion in the New Ports forums.
18:00:40xllhawksllxi never done anything like this before, so im a total neewb
18:00:50xllhawksllxim afraid, as u prb can tell
18:01:05Lloreanbluebrother: I closed it as "duplicate". I know it's been asked before, so either it's a duplicate of them, or the reasons for closing are a duplicate of the reasons for those. :)
18:01:23xllhawksllxso will i be able to mod the skin?
18:01:30xllhawksllxon my second generation, with simplicity?
18:02:27Lloreanxllhawksllx: No.
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18:02:55Lloreanxllhawksllx: This channel is just about #Rockbox, not other mods, but the steps necessary to be able to reskin an iPod include the first step necessary to be able to run other code.
18:03:40xllhawksllxoh i see, thanks for the help, much appreciated
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18:03:59bluebrotherLlorean: I was thinking that too ... I'm just missing you to add a "please search the tracker before adding tasks" as additional closing reason ;-)
18:04:46MentalDentalEvening all.
18:07:48xllhawksllxwhatsup? >mental<
18:07:51Lloreanbluebrother: I'd very much like a "PEBKAC" (or PEBKAC depending on your preference) reason for closing, personally. Anyone who knows what it means probably wouldn't receive it (or not be offended) anyway. ;)
18:08:39bluebrotherright :)
18:09:23bluebrotherI was already tempted to write PEBKAC in the comment once :)
18:11:01Lloreanjhmikes: For the logs, if you see this, reading some of your discussion, I'm worried: Are you using Markun's ranges, or the old jpeg ranges?
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18:17:38MentalDentalI must say, being new to this whole Rockbox thing.
18:17:44MentalDentalI'm just amazed by it.
18:17:48MentalDentalAnd the community
18:18:46hihomental: yea, and what a great cause!
18:19:05hihocan anyone tell me current battery life on a sansa e?
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18:22:54MentalDentalWhen making a WPS, I've got some images that are permanently going to be on show. Would it be recommended to integrate these into the background or to leave them as seperate entities? I'm guessing there's no right or wrong, just interested to hear some other POVs.
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18:34:04joai have a 5th gen ipod
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18:34:35joanot 5.5. how easy is it to put the rockbox firmware onto. I want to do it to give flac/ogg support
18:35:01joaother people have said it's quite tricky
18:35:22joai can follow instructions no problems with error. But is it going to be abit of a mission for a first timer?
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18:39:43pixelmajoa: afaik the installation has become a lot easier in the last couple of months - pick the manual version you want and decide yourself
18:42:22perl|workwhy not mention the rockbox utility as well?
18:44:49MentalDentalI decided to put Rockbox on just yesterday on a 5th gen ipod.
18:45:14MentalDentalThere were no troubles at all, and it was remarkably easy. Just follow the instructions carefully and it's pretty hard to go wrong.
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18:52:34vertic23hey... I got some question about my X5 and its battery
18:52:47vertic23it's always showing like 60% left ...and then "Please recharge..."
18:52:54vertic23do I have to do the batterybench then?
18:53:08pixelmavertic23: when did you last update your X5?
18:53:17pixelma(the rockbox build I mean)
18:53:37vertic23hmm dunno
18:53:44vertic23I can tell you the cvs
18:54:00vertic2311th of december
18:54:01pixelmaI'm asking because there was a commit that fixed the battery percentage display just this week
18:54:15vertic23ok, I'll do the update right now then
18:54:29vertic23and... maybe read the changelog
18:54:32vertic23might be interesting
18:54:44pixelmaok if you have such an old build - be prepared for a lot of changes...
18:55:20TrueJournalsvertic23: You might want to start updating more often... I would say at least once a week... but that's just my two cents
18:55:49vertic23like what kind of changes?
18:56:11vertic23TrueJournals: yes - but my opinion is more "never change a running system"
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18:56:35vertic23but - I know now - that it's better for the community (...bugfixes) to do that more often...
18:56:43vertic23or as you say weekly
18:56:52linuxstbThere are also new features which you may or may not be interested in.
18:56:55vertic23I'll do so from now on - I swear
18:57:03vertic23I guess ;)
18:57:21linuxstbAlso, "version 1.0" of the X5 port hasn't been released yet, so you're running a beta...
18:57:47vertic23...runs quite perfectly though :P
18:58:13pixelmaexcept the battery percentage estimation ;)
18:58:14joathanks guys. it was a stupid question to ask as i should of just gone and read the manual
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18:58:25joabut im advising a friend to buy one as he wants ogg/flac support
18:58:30vertic23that was since I have bought it :P
18:58:41vertic23*has been...
18:58:44joaand knowing about rockbox i'd love to recommend it to him but he'll be relying on me to do it all 100%
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18:59:00TrueJournalsI have a question about coding... I want to add an item to the root menu, and I have most of the code from another patch. I just want to know how to make an icon for the menu item?
18:59:20joawhich im fine with researching and getting involved in it etc but i dont want to waste his cash. But sod it. I was going to do it myself when i can afford a dap compatible anyway.
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18:59:51vertic23...and I have a question too - is it possible to define a "home" directory? ...I mean - that when I boot the player - he directly shows me the MP3 dir?
19:00:05vertic23...I mean - there is actually nothing "interesting" in /
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19:00:43TrueJournalsvertic23: If you use the Database, you can then set the home screen to the Database and have all your music there...
19:01:02vertic23is it recommended to use the db?
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19:01:20perl|workits a mater of taste really
19:01:27TrueJournalsI would reccomend it... seems easier to manage your music that way, but I don't know if it's faster
19:01:27vertic23...what's the difference?
19:01:39perl|workplus the datebase config file is really flexible
19:01:44vertic23hmm actually I don't know what that db is I guess
19:01:57vertic23what does it do?
19:02:19TrueJournalsIt will index all your music
19:02:21perl|workever used an ipod with original firmware?
19:02:32pixelmavertic23: you can also set the file browser as start screen
19:02:37vertic23well.. yea "used"
19:02:39vertic23don't like it
19:02:41TrueJournalsThen, you can easily select by artist, album, year, or even more options if you configure tagnavi.config
19:02:55vertic23nah, that sucks...
19:03:19vertic23I like browsing the real files
19:03:43vertic23but - I mean - if it was like... ehm better for the hdd or something - I'd use it (in order to get more battery "life")
19:03:45TrueJournalsLike perl|work said... it's really all a matter of preference
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19:05:15webguest15Does anybody know if the H10 5G mpegplayer audio problem has been reported?
19:05:39TheSphinX^afkit's already reported
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19:05:51TrueJournalsI'm assuiming you mean how it sounds weird?
19:06:15webguest15Yes. Like static in the audio.
19:06:45TrueJournalsThen, yes, it's been reported as TheSphinX^afk said
19:06:52webguest15thank you
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19:49:37vertic23omg... there are icons :D
19:49:47vertic23and a new start menu
19:49:49vertic23wtf :)
19:50:04vertic23it's like I'm totally new to rockbox hehehe
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19:50:36vertic23and... the battery issue wow :D
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20:36:14SliMMcould you please tell me why do i get this error when compiling rockbox (UI Sim, iPod 5g): "helloworld.c:61: error: syntax error before numeric constant"
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20:37:16SliMM for the code
20:38:22mhydronichi i just upgraded rockbox to yesterday's daily build. there used to be a resume on start-up option - other than the menu item at start up, does it still exist?
20:39:07SliMMit does
20:39:11SliMMi think
20:39:25SliMMbut you could just press "play"
20:39:34pixelmamhydronic: yes - if you chose "wps" as start screen (in general settings > system > start screen I believe)
20:39:48SliMMit's in the main menu
20:40:13pixelmaSliMM: he means an automatic start without any button presses
20:40:40SliMMyes, i understaind now
20:41:19mhydronicyeah all that shows here is: previous screen, main menu, files, database, resume playback, settings, recording, recent bookmarks
20:41:48pixelmathen I guess it's "resume playback", no?
20:42:20mhydronici select that and it goes back to the previous system settings screen. then when i restarted it, it didnt resume :(
20:43:49mhydronicpixelma: what build are you using?
20:44:56SliMMmhydronic: how long have you been using rockbox?
20:44:59pixelmasvn as of yesterday - I'll just try myself now because I don't know if it works as it should (don't use this setting usually)
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20:46:14mhydroniceh.. i had an old archos jukebox and first used rockbox on that.. then i got an ipod this past christmas and of course installed rockbox on it.. prolly 2 or 3 years
20:46:34SliMMmhydronic: if u have updated to the new bootloader recently, make sure you don't have 2 copies of (i. e. rockbox.ipod) on your DAP
20:47:24SliMMthe rockbox.ipod (at least) should just be in /.rockbox
20:47:33SliMMnot in root too
20:47:35mhydronick im checking
20:47:42Nico_PSliMM: about your code... rb->LCD_WIDTH is incorrect. it's LCD_WIDTH
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20:47:56Nico_Psame goes with rb->LCD_HEIGHT
20:48:21pixelmamhydronic: yes it works here (on iaudio)
20:48:40mhydronicSliMM: i did have two copies.. hopefully it works now ;)
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20:48:53mhydronicthanks pix
20:49:14mhydronici have a hidden ipod_control folder in my root.. i can delete this correct?
20:49:18SliMMmhydronic: it wasn't saving any settings
20:49:32mhydronici think when i updated my firmware, it did this
20:49:38mhydronicvia itunes
20:50:10mhydronicoh nevermind
20:50:20mhydronici have video files in that folder
20:50:33mhydronicbc of no video support in rockbox :(
20:50:56SliMMthere is some video support in rockbox
20:51:10mhydronicnot for ipod though right?
20:51:18SliMMbut just wait until august, after google summer of coding
20:51:42SliMMironically, it's just pretty bad for ipod video
20:52:35mhydronicso its better to use the apple side right?
20:53:04SliMMi haven't used the original firmware for abou a year
20:54:14mhydronicyou have ipod?
20:55:07SliMMbut i only use it on my way to school
20:55:20SliMMso no need of good video support :)
20:55:42mhydronicyeah.. i only use it for long drives at night
20:56:04mhydronicive had trouble encoding video (sync, AR issues) so i dont have much video on it
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20:57:41SliMMfor the original firmware, videora ipod convertor doeas a great job
21:00:23mhydronicyeah thats what i used.. and still had sync issues
21:01:38SliMMgtg, good night
21:01:55SliMMi think "bye" is better
21:02:01SliMMno problem ;)
21:02:03mhydronicyeah.. i didnt know your location
21:02:29SliMMeastern europe :P (GMT+2)
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21:12:52GrooveStixhey folks, is anyone alive?
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21:14:30GrooveStixI think I figured out why my GigaBeat's battery has been dying so quickly
21:16:29GrooveStixbecause the screen doesn't turn off
21:16:36GrooveStixit's always on
21:16:43GrooveStixdimmed but on
21:17:17GrooveStixI actually checked if GigaBeat's original firmware does this and it doesn't
21:17:34GrooveStixso is there a way to turn of the screen completely while on?
21:19:16perl|workyes there is
21:19:28perl|worksystem / debug / lcd power off
21:19:44perl|workbut its always on for everybody else
21:19:56perl|workand the average gigabeat battery life is around 15 hours
21:20:13GrooveStixI'll try and I'll get back to you
21:20:25GrooveStixmaybe I should register for Flyspray
21:20:42perl|workthat option may cause some problems btw
21:20:52perl|workthats why its in debug
21:21:09perl|workso the default is lcd is always powered on
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21:21:57GrooveStixI wanted to save my settings
21:22:04GrooveStixand I did it
21:22:23GrooveStixalthough the filename I assigned is "config01.cfgAA "
21:22:28GrooveStixnote the empty space
21:23:05perl|workwhy there's an empty space after .cfg?
21:23:30perl|workyou should've named it something like "user.cfg"
21:23:35perl|workor "my.cfg"
21:23:53GrooveStixI think that I couldn't figure out how to say "OK" on the default name
21:24:18GrooveStixand I tried to click around thinking that it won't matter
21:24:42GrooveStixnow I am unable to to open/move/copy the file
21:25:32GrooveStixwhen I try to delete it an error message pops up saying "Cannot delete file: Cannot read from the source file or disk"
21:25:46GrooveStix(I am using the latest WinXp)
21:25:56GrooveStix(erm. Home edition)
21:26:32perl|workare you trying to delete it while connected through usb and browsing gigabeat like a disk drive?
21:28:34perl|workperform error-checking on the gigabeat drive
21:28:47perl|work(aka scandsk)
21:29:56pixelmaNico_P: why did only the bin size of swcodec targets grow with the last but one subline commit - not that I'm keen on having bytes added but if it means that something isn't working correctly with(out) this...
21:30:04GrooveStixhmm, I should have tried that...
21:31:18Nico_Ppixelma: I have no idea
21:31:34Nico_PI'll test on a sim to check it works as it should
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21:33:10Nico_Ppixelma: could the compression have something to do with it ?
21:33:42pixelmano - only the recorder (v1 and the 8MB mod) are compressed
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21:34:29pixelmasafetydans commit shows it
21:35:36GrooveStixpixelma: I tried running ScanDisk. It finished successfully although the file is still unreachable
21:36:28pixelmaI guess you mean perl|work but... did you try to rename the file so that it only as a .cfg extension?
21:36:52GrooveStixooops, sorry
21:36:59GrooveStixyes I did try
21:37:09GrooveStixIt spits an error message
21:37:11GrooveStixwant it?
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21:37:56pixelmayou could also try to rename it in rockbox.. tried that?
21:38:16GrooveStixno, I didn't know I can do that
21:38:32GrooveStixI shall try!
21:40:26pixelmaI don't have a gigabeat so I don't know the buttons you have to press... but basically you have to get to the file context menu (manual says "long select") then there's an entry "rename"
21:41:10pixelmathen you can use the virtual keyboard to enter the new name as descrobed here:
21:44:27GrooveStixwhat's backspace!?
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21:47:29GrooveStixactually wait!
21:47:37GrooveStixI was trying to edit the default on
21:48:03GrooveStixI can't even see "config01.cfgAA "
21:48:19pixelmahmm... no idea then
21:49:09pixelmadid you set "show files" to "all"?
21:49:26GrooveStixno, let me see
21:49:40perl|workGrooveStix while in text editor mode, you can move the cursor by holding POWER and pressing left/right on the cross
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21:49:48perl|workdont hold it too long obviously
21:50:09GrooveStixnevermind that
21:50:17GrooveStixI was trying to edit the wrong file
21:50:26GrooveStixI can't see the problematic one
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21:51:27GrooveStixjust a second
21:52:40GrooveStixha! no need for renaming! I deleted it. Awesome!
21:53:02GrooveStixit saved me some trouble (formating)
21:53:31peturGrooveStix: I just tried saving with the same name you used (including trailing space) and had no problem opening/renaming/deleting
21:53:53peturis this recent firmware?
21:54:07GrooveStixas a disk drive in windows?
21:54:37peturno, in rockbox
21:55:18GrooveStixwell yeah
21:55:31GrooveStixIt worked in rockbox for me too
21:55:41GrooveStixmaybe Windows is the problem here
21:56:06GrooveStix(is that too much of a easy target nowadays?)
21:56:16peturlet me try again
21:57:17peturstupid windows
21:57:23bluebrotheranother flaw in windows explorer?
21:57:39*petur tries commandline
21:58:24peturrockbox wrote the klong and short filename correctly
21:58:57GrooveStixyes, why am I not surprised...?
21:58:58peturwindows seems to strip the trailing space of the name before passing on :)
21:59:39peturdeleting using its shortname is ok
21:59:59bluebrotherdon't know about long filenames, but for short filenames everything is padded using spaces to 8.3 characters.
22:00:13peturlowlevel, yes
22:00:14bluebrotherwouldn't be surprised if this stripping happens on long filenames too.
22:00:30peturnah, they shouldn't do that
22:00:48bluebrotherthey shouldn't do quite a couple of other things ;-)
22:00:54peturunless 'their' standard says trailing spaces are not ok
22:01:21bluebrotherI worked with FAT16 a while ago, but I haven't bothered with vfat.
22:01:37bluebrotherso I don't know. Still, it wouldn't surprise me (:
22:01:58*petur did quite some fat12/16 coding recently, but no long filename
22:02:10bluebrotherwindows also fails if a file entry has a wrong timestamp ...
22:02:21bluebrotherwhich is quite annoying
22:02:47bluebrotherespecially when coding on linux as the vfat driver of linux tolerates much more
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22:03:18peturhmmmm check out (search for trailing) :)
22:03:40petur"You can now have a filename such as "This has lots of spaces ", which includes many spaces and a trailing space character."
22:03:53ender`there used to be a nice bug in rockbox fat code that could make windows BSOD :)
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22:04:40peturif you make a filename with trailing spaces in windows explorer, they just get stripped
22:05:23bluebrotherexplorer knows when you make mistakes, even if you don't *g*
22:05:28peturtry renaming "test.txt" to "test.txt " and you get an error that source and destination filenames are the same
22:05:37ender`try making a filename that starts with a . in exploder
22:05:46*petur knows
22:05:50*bluebrother too
22:06:11bluebrotherthe funny thing is that windows can cope with that files without any problems.
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22:06:28ender`anyway, rockbox used to create files which had different long names but identical short names, and trying to access these files from windows caused a BSOD :)
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22:07:12peturwasn't it me who found/fixed that one
22:08:14bluebrotherisn't this long name / short name thing broken by concept anyway?
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22:10:03GrooveStixbefore I forget
22:10:06ender`i don't know if it was known before i reported it
22:10:26GrooveStixwhy aren't the "debug" options saved with each restart
22:10:41bluebrotherbecause it's debug stuff?
22:10:52GrooveStixI mean, I change the LCD thing, restart and it's back to the default option
22:10:59ender`(i encountered the problem while making screenshots and getting windows to BSOD a few times when looking at them)
22:11:10bluebrotherit's titled "keep out" for a reason ;-)
22:11:40bluebrothersaving debug options will only cause pain by people forgetting about them
22:11:48perl|workGrooveStix dont play with those settings
22:12:09GrooveStixI don't, I just wanted to turn off the backlight
22:12:12bluebrotherunless you know what you are doing ;-)
22:12:16perl|workeverything suppose to work with those left alone
22:12:24GrooveStixcould I hurt the player?
22:12:31perl|workwhy do you need to turn it off?
22:12:39perl|workyou wont save any battery life this way
22:13:00peturender`: it was, I think...
22:13:47ender`oh, i only reported the problem in here - quite a long time ago
22:14:12GrooveStixwell that's my only speculation why the battery life has almost halved...
22:14:31ender`on 22.11.2005
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22:15:15perl|workGrooveStix your speculation is wrong
22:16:23peturender`: yeah, it was an old bug ;)
22:16:32GrooveStixhmm. ok
22:16:40ender`i wonder if windows still BSODs :)
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22:17:15peturnope, I fixed that bug, we now have a short filename generator that is more or less by the book
22:17:44ender`nah, i mean Windows, if i manually create such files
22:18:11peturwell, such files are against the standard...
22:18:25peturyou can't have two files with identical names
22:18:30ender`they are, but it shouldn't cause a system crash
22:18:37perl|workGrooveStix install the latest version of rockbox, make sure you're using the newest bootloader, clear the settings on boot (put HOLD switch to ON position while booting) and do a battery bench
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22:19:03peturender`: true
22:19:05ender`put 2-3 such files on an USB key, plug it in somewhere *BOOM*
22:19:25ender`with an U3 drive, it could be even automated :)
22:21:07GrooveStixperl|work: putting the hold switch works temporary for me
22:21:40GrooveStixif I restart the player without the hold switch on it returns to the normal settings
22:23:06GrooveStix(I meant: if I restart the player without the hold switch off.....)
22:25:36GrooveStixhmmm.. I am an idiot
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22:26:13*petur starts editing GoldenQuotes page
22:26:28Blonde69haha, nice
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22:29:07*Blonde69 smacks himself with a spatula
22:29:20Blonde69(Erm. herself)
22:30:36Blonde69alright, before I say something else stupid
22:31:12Blonde69perl|work was saying that I should benchmark the player without changing any themes/options
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22:33:23*petur knows nothing about battery benchmarking except using a big enough playlist
22:34:06Blonde69oh that's cold
22:34:18Blonde69is that how you treat a lady?
22:37:05bluebrotheruse a playlist that is longer than the buffer and enable repeat.
22:37:11TrueJournalsThis is way too weird...
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22:37:29peturno, this is friday night
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22:43:36Blonde69Than brotha!
22:43:54Blonde69I just broke my nail!
22:44:12peturit was a fake one anyway...
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22:45:24Blonde69how dare you!
22:45:24amiconn_petur: With the current playback system, the list doesn't even need to be larger than the buffer. This may change though
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22:46:03peturcould well be... I once tried to look into the playback system but I gave up...
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22:54:11TrueJournalsI need a little bit of help... how do I convert a bitmap to the format I need for a menu item? I know to use bmp2rb, but which option should I use? Also, should the bitmap be black on white?
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22:58:08]RowaN[i thought it was possible to enable the statusbar in the filetree/menu only? i.e. not on the wps. i cant seem to find this option though (sansa build). any ideas guys?
22:58:29TrueJournalsStatusbar doesn't show up in the WPS for me...
22:58:39TrueJournalsI didn't think it could...
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22:59:17GrooveStixthanks everyone, goodbye
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22:59:40pixelmadepends on your .wps file - if it has a "%wd" in it to disable the statusbar or not
22:59:57]RowaN[great, thanks
23:01:00bluebrother]RowaN[: you can enable / disable the statusbar globally, but the wps can override it
23:01:15bluebrotherbut only the wps −− i.e. if you enable the status bar you will have it in all other screens
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23:08:32]RowaN[hmm, in todays build, the "paused" message in my wps no longer dissapears after i unpause
23:10:53]RowaN[the relevent line in my wps is this:
23:10:54]RowaN[%t0.1%ac%?mp<||(( paused ))|%>%> fASt fORWARDiNG %>%>| REWiND sELeKtA ! >;%t0.1%ac%?mp<|| paused | fASt fORWARDiNG |%<%< REWiND sELeKtA ! %<%<>
23:11:36pixelmatoday there were a few commits that could have an influence on how your wps is drawn - could you try the latest svn and report back (I don't know exactly what your "today's" version is)
23:11:57]RowaN[ok let me try
23:15:44]RowaN[the problem persists
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23:22:01pixelmahmm... I know that there especially were changes regarding sublines, the goal was to get the old behaviour back but the dev who did all this isn't around ATM, so maybe you could file a bug report (but maybe he also reads the logs and will notice)
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23:33:59pixelmafor the logs... Nico_P: just tried a simple wps (using roolku's first example line with the %ic) and it works fine on my Ondio.
23:34:47]RowaN[i have created a bug report
23:43:46]RowaN[how do i edit my report? the page says i have permission, but i cant see a button anywhere to edit
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23:51:53bluebrother]RowaN[: you can't edit tasks unless you are in the developer group IIRC.
23:54:56vertic23wb bluebrother
23:55:30 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.")
23:58:02vertic23welcome back
23:58:10vertic23in fachkreisen des internet relais chats
23:58:21vertic23oder warst du schon vorher zurck -g-
23:58:39vertic23ah, warst du - sorry ;P

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