00:02:02 | entheh | and I wrote the first game from scratch too - so it's all my code |
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00:11:21 | cadu | markun, have to talk with you man :) |
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00:14:19 | markun | cadu: I just came back |
00:16:58 | cadu | it's about my F20 , that's losing battery continuously, .....as people said, it can be a battery problem (reaching its age :P) |
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00:18:38 | cadu | but there's still a question shaking in my mind ..... an acquantaince of me (the person that actually bought the f20 at the recycled/used store, the one i told you...) said that he READ 'new product' at the store, and that's why he bought it.... |
00:19:22 | cadu | these F20s are out-of-production here for more than a year....so is there a chance that the player is really new, just stood for more than a year doing nothing, and the battery just turned out bad ? |
00:19:48 | cadu | or could be a case of LIE ? :P anyway i'm already contacting toshiba japan for a battery replacement |
00:21:00 | markun | cadu: I don't know much about battery storage |
00:21:48 | markun | would be nice if we could find a mobile phone or digital camera battery we could use in our Gigabeats |
00:22:15 | cadu | i did some googleing and found a website saying that Li-Ions life is measured by storage (mainly, temperature and moisture levels) and DATE OF MANUFACTURE |
00:22:26 | petur | yes |
00:23:19 | Soap | one hour on the dashboard of a hot car can kill. |
00:23:28 | cadu | petur, so it could be a fact of a real 'new' product (spare from stores, the player is really crappy speaking of OF) or have i been cheated? :) |
00:23:32 | markun | I also read somewhere that they are best stored at 40% charged |
00:23:47 | cadu | markun, i think we read the same material :) |
00:24:22 | cadu | there i also read that li-ions don't have memory effect, so it's better that you charge them whenever is necessary, not just wait for the battery to dry out, like common practice on Ni-CD and Ni-MH |
00:24:34 | petur | it should normally last at least 2-3 years, I don't think the battery can be that old already |
00:25:11 | cadu | well, the player is out-of-production here for more than 1 year for sure, 2 years is probable too |
00:25:48 | cadu | i'm almost asking my acquaintance (which i traded the gigabeat for a 1gb flash player from cowon + some cash) if he lied to me. |
00:26:03 | cadu | that would end up with a surprising answer and/or END of acquaintance :) |
00:26:05 | cadu | ahahahahah |
00:26:26 | markun | nah, it's probably just bad luck |
00:26:39 | markun | does the player look used? scratches on the screen? |
00:26:45 | cadu | no scratches, no nothing |
00:26:48 | cadu | perfect, really |
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00:26:59 | petur | still got warranty? |
00:27:08 | cadu | warranty from the recycle store |
00:27:11 | cadu | 3 months |
00:27:27 | petur | if so, have the battery replaced, but make sure you get the same type of player back |
00:27:59 | cadu | they don't have another model, these recycle stores are like technology dumpsters |
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00:28:24 | cadu | people buy and sell their gadgetries there , they also get stuff from stores that are closing etc |
00:28:48 | cadu | that's why i think the claim that he saw 'new' written in the player stick can be TRUE |
00:29:30 | cadu | like, now that i'm using it daily, the battery seems to start holding charge a bit less worse than before |
00:29:54 | cadu | the 'years without use, even being new' could have damaged/killed it ? |
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00:30:33 | cadu | markun, btw, aren't the ipod batteries fittable ? |
00:30:44 | markun | I don't know |
00:30:55 | markun | never saw a > 2g battery |
00:31:17 | cadu | markun, people are selling like , batteries with 3 times the capacity of the ipod stock battery, but they don't post voltage levels and the battery dimensions/weight |
00:31:52 | cadu | probably the same voltage, it would be only a case of it fitting inside the gigabeat nicely and reworking the wires in the connector/totally bypassing it |
00:32:35 | markun | cadu: you need a perfect fit because the crosspad is being supported by the battery |
00:33:07 | cadu | markun, nah, we could use a bit of hard foam (easy to find) and make up for the space :) |
00:33:19 | cadu | even a sponge would do if you're cheap |
00:33:40 | markun | let me know how far you get |
00:34:00 | markun | my battery is still working fine but I might want to update if I can get a lot more runtime |
00:34:31 | cadu | markun, btw, about the battery here, right now it's with 20% charge (rockbox), if i turn it off now and turn it on like 10 hours later.... rockbox boots, plays a bit and shuts down (lowbatt) :( |
00:35:24 | cadu | markun, i was thinking on a less violent solution, we could build a mini plastic box with like, space for 2AA's and a 5v voltage converter , then a charger plug or the mini-usb (charge via usb with rockbox on) |
00:35:48 | cadu | how long the runtime would be backed by 2 x 2600mah ni-mh aa's ? |
00:35:59 | cadu | i wonder, veeeeery long :) |
00:37:20 | markun | yes, should be |
00:37:54 | markun | we still don't know for sure if the battery in the X (830mah) is the same as the one in the F |
00:39:40 | cadu | yours is a X ? |
00:39:59 | markun | no, F40 |
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00:40:23 | markun | but I believe the battery life of the X is lower, so maybe the F has a bigger battery |
00:41:51 | BigBabyJesus | some german here who can help me?i dont know how to describe my problem in english... |
00:44:51 | petur | BigBabyJesus: if none is available, I probably understand enough... |
00:45:02 | BigBabyJesus | hmmm,ok.i will try |
00:46:02 | BigBabyJesus | in rockbox,i missing that "shuffle mode" for my whole music.but when i turn on shuffle mode in settings,it also plays single folders in shuffle mode..what can i do? |
00:46:39 | petur | BigBabyJesus: add all your music to one big playlist and shuffle that |
00:47:21 | BigBabyJesus | how do i shuffle my playlist?yesterday somebody allready told me to do that...but it dont work |
00:50:09 | petur | use the context menu on your music folder and select playlist -> insert shuffled |
00:50:25 | petur | note that I've never used this before ;) |
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00:53:56 | blanky | hey guys |
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00:59:38 | BigBabyJesus | how do i open the context menu? |
00:59:52 | petur | what player? |
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01:00:46 | petur | or rtfm ;) |
01:03:07 | petur | on ipods: longpress select, on iriver h1x0/h3x0 longpress navi |
01:03:23 | * | petur read the f manual in the mean time... |
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01:17:30 | emoon | hi.. I just updated my rockbox version to the current one for ipod nano and when i play a tune it will play a for a few sec and then I will get this "data abort at 4000139C" error, it happens for diffrent type of formats as well. I searched the FAQ but couldn't find anything about it. |
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01:20:07 | pixelma | maybe this forum thread could be helpful http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9681.0 ;) |
01:21:14 | emoon | doh! thanks :) |
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01:22:19 | pindonga | hello. does anyone know if it is possible to have filenames encoded in unicode (utf-8) in rockbox? |
01:22:39 | pindonga | it appears that the default codepage setting is only for the mp3 metadata |
01:25:32 | bluebrother | pindonga: the FAT filesystem uses UCS2 to encode the filenames |
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01:25:54 | bluebrother | which means the filenames are kind of independent of a specific encoding. |
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01:26:09 | bluebrother | you most likely have a font that is missing characters. Tried unifont? |
01:29:29 | emoon | pixelma: yeah.. worked, thanx again :) |
01:30:10 | pixelma | glad I could help :) |
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01:38:47 | blanky | man |
01:38:52 | blanky | I can't find the page I was looking at yesterday |
01:38:59 | blanky | the WPSIpod gallery for 4g |
01:39:25 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery ? |
01:39:49 | blanky | thanks |
01:40:41 | blanky | but I was wathing one that was specific to ipod 4g, not it and h1x0 |
01:40:46 | blanky | but maybe this one will do |
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01:41:17 | Llorean | linuxstb: In regards to the person with the magically sped up mpegplayer, if they're trying to RoLo, wouldn't that also mean they probably have the old mpegplayer.rock? |
01:41:26 | blanky | there's a WPS that says 'iriver' at the top, I'm trying to look for it to change it |
01:43:05 | bluebrother | blanky: the themes fit for all players that have the same resolution. Maybe you're looking for rockbox-themes.org? |
01:43:30 | blanky | bluebrother: no I meant the marquee theme that says 'iriver' at the top |
01:43:33 | blanky | 'm going to edit the bmp |
01:43:36 | blanky | to make it say ipod haha |
01:44:23 | bluebrother | there is a theme called "marquee" that is part of the current build ... |
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01:45:46 | blanky | bluebrother: what are you talking about? |
01:45:46 | linuxstb | Llorean: No, it would probably mean (until they reboot) that they are running an old rockbox.gigabeat with the new mpegplayer.rock. i.e. it wouldn't help explain what they are seeing. |
01:46:01 | blanky | I said the marquee theme in the current build for ipod 4g says 'iriver' at the top, that's all |
01:47:16 | Llorean | linuxstb: Well, I guess it depends on how they copied. I assumed they just copied the new rockbox.gigabeat over, thought they RoLo'd it and then re-ran mpegplayer in a "normal" situation. |
01:47:32 | Llorean | Though, that "1000 fps" thing is odd. |
01:47:48 | Llorean | And the first user is on an iPod5G supposedly |
01:48:12 | Llorean | I was thinking they were just seeing the outcome of jhMikes' optimizations without having noticed it before |
01:48:27 | Llorean | But that wouldn't affect mr 5G |
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01:48:42 | pearldiver | 1000 fps? |
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01:49:52 | Llorean | pearldiver: See the mpegplayer thread in the compiling forum for some hard to explain behaviour. |
01:50:15 | pearldiver | yeah was looking at it this morning but i see more "strange" updates there |
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01:51:12 | pearldiver | but...erm.. how theres a video on the screen with vo_draw_frame commented off |
01:51:54 | pearldiver | maybe its not faster, just the fps counter is off? |
01:52:22 | Soap | Oh, I can explain the behavior. |
01:52:30 | Llorean | pearldiver: Since he was describing the "video keeps playing after the end of file" issue happening, I assume that's part of it, yes. |
01:52:48 | pearldiver | oh, he actually says "the video is fast" |
01:53:19 | Llorean | pearldiver: Play a 24fps video at ~40 (assuming he's playing the fullscreen file) and of course it'll be fast. |
01:53:23 | * | Soap 's cynical answer is "mass hysteria" |
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01:53:55 | Llorean | Soap: My best guess is "very very poor testing conditions, with normal behaviour, and perhaps a framerate display bug when it loops instead of exiting" |
01:54:19 | Soap | you are more polite than me. |
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02:04:59 | Beta | Hello |
02:05:28 | Beta | Anyways |
02:05:40 | Beta | I just installed ROckBox on my Sansa e200 series player |
02:06:01 | Beta | Got a couple skins |
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02:07:13 | Beta | I wanted to say thanks for a great product! this really improves the functionality and appearance. It froze once and I had to remove the battery, other than that, it works great |
02:07:23 | Beta | Keep up the good work |
02:07:40 | Llorean | You should never need to remove the battery |
02:07:50 | Llorean | Just hold the power button down much longer than normal, and it triggers a hardware power off. |
02:07:52 | hen3rz | Hello all, could i get some feedback on this feature request http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6980 |
02:08:00 | Beta | How much longer? |
02:08:23 | Llorean | Beta: It should be about 15 seconds |
02:08:33 | Llorean | hen3rz: I don't understand the point. Why have that menu duplicate the main menu? |
02:08:41 | Beta | Gah, didn't know that. Thanks, at least it wont happen again |
02:08:57 | Llorean | Beta: Nobody can know everything. :) |
02:09:14 | Llorean | hen3rz: You mention having "File Browser" as an option in the WPS Context menu, for example. |
02:09:30 | Llorean | Or are you just talking about adding icons to the options? |
02:09:40 | hen3rz | Llorean: just adding icons |
02:09:54 | hen3rz | Llorean: Like the file browser and main menu have |
02:10:03 | hen3rz | Llorean just so there is consistency |
02:10:40 | Beta | I've had the player since the e200 series was fresh, the only letdown of the player was somewhat dissapointing firmware functionality, this fixes that. Unfortunately you can't use FM radio from within rockbox, if you can I haven't tinkered around enough to figure it out yet |
02:11:44 | Llorean | Beta: Not yet, you can't. One day though, but probably not too soon. |
02:12:04 | Llorean | hen3rz: I can only assume that's planned. |
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02:12:34 | hen3rz | Llorean: uhh ok cool |
02:12:45 | aegray | linuxstb: do you remember which audio chip spec we used for the 5g? |
02:12:50 | aegray | 5g ipod* |
02:13:00 | aegray | preglow: or preglow |
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02:14:11 | Llorean | hen3rz: I don't think there's any reason we'd intentionally keep the menus from being consistent in style |
02:14:35 | linuxstb | aegray: My comments in the Rockbox driver say WM8983 |
02:16:00 | linuxstb | aegray: We've since discovered at least one inconsistency though - the middle three bands of the hardware EQ don't appear to work in the 5g. |
02:16:20 | linuxstb | But the high/low shelf filters do. |
02:17:01 | hen3rz | Llorean: haha off course but i thought it might be helpful to have the task listed. |
02:17:11 | Bawitdaba | did the 80gb ipod every get rockboxed or its still in dev |
02:17:30 | linuxstb | Bawitdaba: No, no-one has done it yet. |
02:17:40 | Bawitdaba | ah boo |
02:18:47 | aegray | linuxstb: thanks :) |
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02:33:25 | hen3rz | should the idle power off feature be disabled when in mpegplayer? |
02:34:44 | blanky | man I wished I could use C# on rockbox |
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02:54:02 | hen3rz | hello all would anyone like to comment on my bug report, not really sure if its a bug report but it seemed most fitting: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6981 |
02:58:52 | linuxstb | Llorean: Around? |
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03:01:39 | linuxstb | hen3rz: I know - I'm hoping he's monitoring the logs... |
03:01:48 | hen3rz | uhhh |
03:03:13 | linuxstb | But thanks :) |
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03:14:09 | linuxstb | Any Sansa users around willing to test an mpegplayer patch? |
03:14:32 | linuxstb | http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/sansa-yuv.diff |
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03:15:15 | linuxstb | This is a simple copy of jhMikeS's optimised lcd_yuv_blit() function for the Gigabeat adapted to the Sansa. |
03:15:29 | linuxstb | If it works, it should give a nice speed increase. |
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03:22:43 | webguest70 | how do u tell if ur iriver h320 is a US model |
03:23:07 | linuxstb | ^Everyone ignore the above patch, it's wrong... |
03:23:39 | webguest70 | what??? |
03:24:11 | midgey | webguest70: if the bottom USB ports say "Media" and "Data" its US |
03:24:36 | webguest70 | thankyou |
03:25:29 | webguest70 | is it alot harder to install on the US version |
03:26:10 | linuxstb | I think the process is the same, but you lose the ability to play DRM-protected WMA |
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03:27:03 | midgey | you have to flash twice you were using the US version |
03:27:10 | midgey | and he's gone... |
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03:28:47 | ise | jhulst: hey |
03:32:28 | linuxstb | OK, hopefully correct this time - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/sansa-yuv.diff |
03:34:14 | pindonga | bluebrother: thank you, I will look into finding this unifont you mention... |
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03:47:27 | JdGordon | Nico_P: piing? |
03:47:36 | Nico_P | poong |
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03:48:04 | JdGordon | shouldnt more tockens set *intval? |
03:48:28 | Nico_P | JdGordon: *intval is only used for conditionals/enums |
03:48:50 | Nico_P | but maybe |
03:48:55 | JdGordon | yep, shouldnt more be setting it so they can be? |
03:49:57 | Nico_P | it's only needed for numerical values. When we only have true/false we have false <=> get_tag() returns NULL |
03:50:44 | JdGordon | WPS_TOKEN_METADATA_VERSION, WPS_TOKEN_FILE_VBR, etc.. |
03:51:19 | JdGordon | also, 6949 looks good to commit |
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03:55:04 | Nico_P | for ID3 version OK, but for VBR ?? |
03:55:17 | Nico_P | JdGordon: VBR is true/false |
03:55:30 | JdGordon | ok |
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03:57:14 | Nico_P | and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#ID3_Info doesn't mention ID3 version can be used in an enum |
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03:59:27 | Kolya33 | I found out lately that my Iriver H340 can play gameboy(color) games in rockboy emulation |
03:59:33 | Kolya33 | Ever since then I've been playing Alien3 on the train |
03:59:40 | Kolya33 | Those grey scale graphics and trashcan sounds are hypnotising |
03:59:50 | Kolya33 | No really it's great and has plenty atmosphere |
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04:00:08 | Kolya33 | Diffferent tools and weapons to pick up and use |
04:00:29 | Kolya33 | top down view and face huggers and aliens |
04:00:45 | Kolya33 | Shooting them is kinda hopeless |
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04:00:51 | Kolya33 | But that's okay |
04:00:59 | Kolya33 | Aliens shouldn't die from a handgun |
04:01:08 | Kolya33 | And I haven't got the flamethrower yet |
04:01:19 | Kolya33 | Reminds me of when I played Alien Breed |
04:01:38 | Kolya33 | But whenever I try to save the game it breaks with an error |
04:02:06 | * | Kolya33 tries to repeat it to get the error message |
04:02:27 | Llorean | JdGordon: By any chance do you know what a .zzz file is in the context of Rockbox? |
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04:02:52 | JdGordon | xobox maybe? |
04:03:03 | JdGordon | not xoboz... zxbox |
04:03:23 | Llorean | JdGordon: It's supposed to open with Properties |
04:03:40 | Kolya33 | Save error: I04:IllInstr at 1001400C |
04:04:12 | Kolya33 | In gact I get that whenever I try to save any rockboy game |
04:04:16 | Kolya33 | fact* |
04:04:18 | JdGordon | Llorean: hmm... no idea, ive never heard of that file |
04:04:26 | Llorean | JdGordon: I just noticed it in viewers.config |
04:05:01 | Kolya33 | Is this a known issue or is it only on my player? |
04:05:02 | JdGordon | peter is the person to ask... |
04:05:08 | JdGordon | according to svn he added that line |
04:05:31 | Llorean | Kolya33: Those aren't the only two possibilities. |
04:05:45 | JdGordon | my guess is he added that to test properties without having to go through the open with screen |
04:05:47 | Kolya33 | What else is there= |
04:05:50 | Llorean | Kolya33: Assuming this happens with a current SVN build, you should file a bug report. |
04:05:50 | Kolya33 | ? |
04:06:04 | Llorean | Well, it can be an unknown issue that isn't just your player. |
04:06:08 | Kolya33 | It's a current build yeah |
04:06:22 | Kolya33 | Okay I see |
04:06:27 | Llorean | What do you mean by current, though? |
04:07:55 | Kolya33 | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/h300/rockbox-h300.zip |
04:08:03 | Llorean | That's a daily |
04:08:03 | Kolya33 | This one |
04:08:09 | Kolya33 | Okay... |
04:08:12 | Llorean | Also, that changes every day. |
04:08:21 | Llorean | Do you mean "I downloaded this daily, today"? |
04:08:37 | Kolya33 | No, um three days ago or so |
04:08:50 | Llorean | So, it's not the "Current Build" link, nor is it current in the context of time. |
04:09:03 | Kolya33 | I'm sorry? |
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04:09:12 | Kolya33 | Where do I get the current build then? |
04:09:20 | Llorean | Look at the front page of the rockbox website. |
04:09:25 | Llorean | There is a link that says "Current Build" |
04:09:28 | Kolya33 | I will |
04:10:02 | safetydan | Nico_P: shouldn't the WPS parser handle files that end without a newline? |
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04:10:34 | Nico_P | safetydan: it handles files that don't end with a newline just fine. But the default RWPS isn't a file ;) |
04:10:58 | safetydan | Nico_P, ah okay, thought it might be a special case, but figured I'd check |
04:12:15 | Nico_P | safetydan: the actual parser relies on a newline at the end of the file. But when the files are read, one is added if not present |
04:15:33 | Kolya33 | Llorean: I downloaded the current build and it throws the xact same rror unfortunately |
04:15:54 | Kolya33 | exact same error* |
04:15:57 | Llorean | Kolya33: Then you should file a bug report. Make sure to include the exact address. |
04:16:08 | Kolya33 | Sure. Where? |
04:16:32 | Kolya33 | I think I found it |
04:16:35 | Kolya33 | nvm |
04:16:57 | Nico_P | safetydan: btw, thanks for your commit |
04:17:05 | Llorean | linuxstb: It looks like it gains ~6fps. ED at 224x128 plays back at 21 or so with the old code, and 27 with the optimized code. |
04:17:24 | safetydan | Nico_P: no problem. It was an easy way to win back some bytes. |
04:18:02 | pearldiver | Llorean more optimization? |
04:18:08 | pearldiver | or markun's one? |
04:18:10 | Llorean | pearldiver: Sansa. |
04:18:13 | pearldiver | ah |
04:18:33 | scorche | "Keep an eye on the announcement list for student allocations update (no word yet) "...still =/ |
04:18:39 | Nico_P | safetydan: are there any more easy optimisations i could try ? :) |
04:19:26 | safetydan | Nico_P: not that I saw, or at least none that are worth the effort. Some of crop's suggestions would be a better place to go for space savings. |
04:19:48 | Nico_P | safetydan: I'll probably have a go at those tomorrow |
04:20:16 | hiho | can i ask a basic question, the rockbox manual for sansa e200's says it does not support USB, can someone verify that loading files can be done thru USB easily? and is the sansa e200 a suitable rockbox platform? and is rockbox stable enough for this player. thanks. |
04:21:15 | Llorean | hiho: Yes, yes, and "I don't know what you think stable enough means" |
04:22:20 | Llorean | The audio is below part in Rockbox at the moment, though there is work ongoing there. |
04:22:40 | Llorean | Battery life is going to be worse than in the original firmware, until we solve the PortalPlayer problem, unpredictable as to when. |
04:23:08 | safetydan | yeesh, the lang v2 cleanup patch has fallen way out of sync |
04:28:19 | hiho | ok, perhaps i'll wait to buy the e260 for a while, i hope sandisk appreciates this group's efforts, that's the only reason i'm buying an e260. i don't like the sandisk ware on my m240. thanks again. |
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05:45:26 | feindbild | hi ^^ |
05:45:55 | feindbild | is it a good idea to rely on this documentation for the install process: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch2.html ? |
05:47:04 | Llorean | feindbild: That is the official manual, yes. |
05:49:37 | feindbild | Llorean: thank you. I just thought it might be incomplete/outdated ^^ |
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05:56:24 | JdGordon | why would you think that? |
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06:09:37 | feindbild | JdGordon: I don't know .... ^^ I'm just a bit paranoid about bricking my sansa ^^ |
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06:21:36 | webguest18 | I installed the daily build today on my h10 20gb, and it runs great after the addition of the dual proc support. Thanks to all devs tuned in. |
06:23:12 | webguest18 | Good night all.. |
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06:35:45 | scorche | http://www.antwon.com/other/malbolge/malbolge.txt |
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07:49:13 | JdGordon | scorche: thanks for that.. was a nice read |
07:49:25 | scorche | =) |
07:49:49 | JdGordon | time to port rockbox to it |
07:51:00 | scorche | you might want to start off with just a plugin ;) |
07:52:41 | JdGordon | well, ive been thinking of doing the ti-basic interpreter that was requested... maybe ill do this or brainfuck instead :p |
07:54:39 | scorche | well, malbolge was designed to be much worse than BF...if you read the page ;) |
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08:03:26 | cadu | just woke up tho :P |
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09:11:05 | GaryBusey | Hello, I have a problem with todays daily build for the 4th Gen. Grayscale iPod. I just wanted to quickly update my version of Rockbox so I swiped the old .rockbox folder with the new one. After doing that I loaded up Rockbox in hold mode which helped reset my previous settings. But when I tried to play a .flac file though, I got an error saying "codec error" which flashes on playback. |
09:13:20 | petur | check if there still a rockbox.ipod file in the root, and try using the rockbox bootloader |
09:15:04 | amiconn | hi petur |
09:15:13 | petur | morning... |
09:15:19 | amiconn | Boot change detection is working like a charm now on archos :) |
09:15:28 | amiconn | Tested it on my player... |
09:15:36 | petur | I thought you didn't need it? :p |
09:15:57 | amiconn | For testing it's even enough to 'touch archos.mod' |
09:16:35 | amiconn | I didn't rely on it because it only worked in like 10% of all cases |
09:16:44 | amiconn | Maybe that'll change... |
09:17:12 | cadu | guys, why windows tools ported from unix world (rsync/unison/whatever) can't rely on access date to do stuff? |
09:17:20 | GaryBusey | Well there is still a rockbox.ipod file in the folder, but I'm not sure what you mean by the bootloader; do you want me to reinstall? |
09:17:40 | cadu | tried to use unison on windows to synchronize my music folder with player, it has to scan thru everyfile to know if there are updates |
09:17:54 | cadu | this would kill my player and my hard drive :) and is slow as hell :P |
09:18:08 | petur | GaryBusey: remove the rockbox.ipod file from the root, it has been moved to the .rockbox folder |
09:18:39 | GaryBusey | Okay. |
09:18:50 | petur | and if that doesn't help, maybe install the latest bootloader? Don't know enough in that department *looks around* |
09:18:57 | GaryBusey | I'll restart my iPod now then and test it. |
09:20:38 | GaryBusey | If I reinstall with the newest bootloader, will that erase the music still on the HD? |
09:24:59 | petur | it shouldn't |
09:26:43 | GaryBusey | Okay. |
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09:37:21 | tuna | Hey |
09:37:33 | tuna | I'm having trouble booting the Apple firmware |
09:37:36 | GaryBusey | Thank You, petur. |
09:37:45 | tuna | or in other words: it won't boot |
09:38:01 | tuna | it looks like it's trying |
09:38:05 | tuna | but it doesn't boot |
09:38:28 | tuna | no error messages, no text, nothing |
09:39:52 | tuna | what happens: the HD starts whirring, the apple logo lights up, then the whirring stops and the backlight goes off. this cycle goes on and on until I turn the Hold switch off and then it boots to Rockbox |
09:40:09 | tuna | I have a 30 gig FAT 32 iPod Video |
09:41:31 | linuxstb | tuna: As a test, try running ipodpatcher again, and select "u" to uninstall the Rockbox bootloader, and see if the AppleOS starts. |
09:41:42 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Around? |
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09:43:41 | tuna | omg i don't think it is! |
09:43:56 | tuna | it's doing the thing i described minus the backlight... |
09:44:08 | tuna | apple logo... whirring HD |
09:44:21 | tuna | but i think it's whirring at a slower pace... |
09:44:58 | linuxstb | What's the history of your ipod? i.e. what have you installed on it in the past? |
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09:45:12 | tuna | nothing |
09:45:32 | tuna | this is the first non-apple thing |
09:45:56 | linuxstb | So it stopped working as soon as you installed Rockbox? |
09:46:05 | tuna | basically :/ |
09:47:52 | tuna | perhaps I should plug it into itunes or something? |
09:47:56 | linuxstb | It sounds like something went wrong with the install - e.g. you disconnected your ipod before your computer had finished writing the changes to the disk. |
09:48:02 | tuna | oh |
09:48:04 | tuna | that sucks |
09:48:12 | tuna | what can i do about it? |
09:48:24 | linuxstb | The only thing I can suggest is to restore it via itunes - this will delete all the music on your player, so you'll have to resync with itunes. |
09:48:49 | tuna | delete all the itunes from it? |
09:49:00 | tuna | oh... |
09:49:06 | tuna | well i didn't have much anyway |
09:49:14 | linuxstb | When itunes repairs an ipod, it deletes all the music on it. |
09:49:16 | tuna | ok, brb |
09:49:44 | linuxstb | You'll need to make sure it's in disk mode first, otherwise Windows and itunes won't see it. |
09:50:00 | tuna | i forgot, how do I put it in disk mode? |
09:50:26 | linuxstb | Hold MENU+SELECT to reset, then immediately press and hold SELECT+PLAY |
09:50:56 | tuna | got it. brb |
09:55:57 | tuna | ok, it's syncing |
09:56:27 | tuna | looks like I'll have a wealth of podcasts to listen to on the school bus when I get back from Spring Break. :D |
09:57:03 | tuna | Thank you so much. I think that until a stable release for the 5g is out, I'll stick with the Apple firmware. |
09:57:11 | tuna | Thank you again for your help. |
09:57:12 | tuna | bye |
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09:57:49 | linuxstb | Bah... |
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10:03:37 | markun | Genre9mp3: so, did you have fun with your new player? |
10:04:18 | lini | hi guys |
10:04:23 | lini | quick question |
10:04:24 | markun | lini: hi |
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10:04:25 | markun | ok |
10:04:47 | lini | How do i make the player go through all folders and play all files |
10:05:03 | lini | i remember that the auto change directory option did that |
10:05:16 | lini | but setting it to yes seems to have no effect |
10:05:25 | markun | do you have repeat on? |
10:05:37 | lini | at first yes |
10:05:43 | lini | then i switched it off |
10:05:49 | lini | it should be off, right? |
10:05:59 | Genre9mp3 | markun: a lot of... :) |
10:06:10 | markun | what I do to play all dirs is to just insert them all in the playlist |
10:06:17 | linuxstb | lini: What happens when Rockbox finishes one folder? Does it stop? |
10:06:25 | lini | i'll check |
10:06:27 | markun | you need to have recursive insert on in the playlist options |
10:06:35 | lini | i just updated to the latest daily |
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10:08:03 | Genre9mp3 | markun: I have to admit that the Gigabeat is a very elegant device compared to the H300 |
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10:09:21 | Genre9mp3 | markun: The only thing that I somehow found difficult to get used to is the "cross" |
10:10:01 | lini | ok it works now |
10:10:03 | lini | thanks |
10:14:15 | markun | Genre9mp3: I wrote a different driver for the cross, but not sure yet how to use it. |
10:15:08 | markun | in what way are you having problems with i? |
10:15:30 | Genre9mp3 | I'm talking about the feel when pressing it |
10:16:12 | markun | yes, you don't get any feedback |
10:16:18 | Genre9mp3 | exactly |
10:16:49 | Genre9mp3 | and when you use it in the dark it's even more weird |
10:16:51 | markun | but I prefer it over my H120 joystick which makes a lot of noise when you try to play sudoku in the train :) |
10:17:20 | markun | well, both have their advantages I guess |
10:18:09 | Genre9mp3 | You listen to the noise of the joystick when on the train??? You must have very quiet trains then! :) |
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10:19:17 | Genre9mp3 | markun: do the buttons light up in Rockbox, too? |
10:19:22 | linuxstb | I have the same complaint about the h1x0. |
10:21:14 | markun | Genre9mp3: gotthardt was working on better button light settings, but I didn't hear from him in a while. It shouldn't be too much work. |
10:21:19 | Genre9mp3 | I know what do you both mean about the H100... to add more on button complaints, the ones on H300 have a nice feedback but they feel cheap |
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10:21:45 | markun | How's the X5 joystick? |
10:21:59 | Genre9mp3 | markun: Does the cross light up, too? (I don't remember) |
10:22:06 | markun | no, it doesn't |
10:22:10 | Genre9mp3 | ah pity |
10:22:13 | markun | yes |
10:22:13 | linuxstb | markun: It seems all the gigabeat hackers have disappeared - there haven't been any gigabeat-specific commits for a while... |
10:22:20 | Genre9mp3 | that would help in the dark |
10:22:33 | markun | linuxstb: true, I think most have lost interest after the hard part was over |
10:23:00 | linuxstb | markun: Has anyone worked on rolo? Now petur has fixed the rockbox change detection, it's annoying it doesn't work on the gigabeat... |
10:23:30 | markun | I think someone worked on it briefly, but then didn't come back |
10:23:47 | markun | I think he wanted to use it to load a linux kernel too, not sure |
10:24:25 | markun | but now that more of the old rockbox devs are getting a Gigabeat maybe some of these low level features will be implemented |
10:24:43 | markun | linuxstb: and sorry for calling you old, you know what I mean :) |
10:25:08 | linuxstb | Maybe, but it takes a lot of effort to learn a new port in that much detail. |
10:25:18 | linuxstb | i.e. coming to it this late. |
10:25:39 | markun | yes, that's true |
10:25:50 | linuxstb | Lots of devs have ipods, but there is very little low-level ipod development. |
10:26:38 | linuxstb | It's now mostly dan_a and barrywardell, as side-effects of the Sansa port... |
10:28:32 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: around now |
10:30:41 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I have two mpegplayer-related questions - 1) In which order does your lcd_yuv_blit for the gigabeat write pixels to the LCD? Is it the correct order for adapting to "normal" LCDs (i.e. left->right, top->bottom); 2) How are your mpegplayer improvements coming along? |
10:36:28 | jhMikeS | 1) It write top to bottom, backs up, moves over one row and writes the next 2) Coming along great, I've got videos playing reasonably well and synced that wouldn't even spit out a minimum framerate before. Perfectly smooth and synced when it can decode fast enough. |
10:37:38 | jhMikeS | I did give markun a patch of the roughing in and it's still on my twiki main page if you want to check it out. |
10:37:52 | markun | jhMikeS: I showed it to him already :) |
10:38:02 | jhMikeS | oh hehe...had no idea |
10:38:14 | markun | but yes, very smooth now |
10:38:18 | linuxstb | Just a couple of minutes ago... It looks like the cleanup the code needed. |
10:38:55 | markun | jhMikeS: did you manage to not decode the skipped B frames? |
10:39:05 | jhMikeS | it's part of it. seeking really needs to be there even if a video is started from the beginning and the earliest stream sets the time |
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10:40:16 | jhMikeS | yes, it goes B->render drop->P->I when dropping. dropping B's has a profound effect and actually cut dropping by a factor of 4 to 5 on edgy videos |
10:40:33 | linuxstb | One maybe minor thing - you call rb->priority_yield() without checking for HAVE_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING |
10:41:05 | jhMikeS | If HAVE_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING isn't defined, it macros to yield anyway |
10:41:48 | linuxstb | Even rb->priority_yield() ? |
10:42:37 | jhMikeS | yes, since "priority_yield" get #defined as "yield". that token should get replaced anywhere. |
10:43:34 | linuxstb | BTW, I adapted your lcd_yuv_blit for the Sansa last night - Llorean posted in the logs that it gained about 6fps |
10:43:50 | linuxstb | Almost nothing to do - just a copy and paste, and replacing 240 with LCD_WIDTH in the .S file. |
10:44:11 | linuxstb | But it means lcd-as-meg-fx.S is shared between the gigabeat and sansa. |
10:45:08 | jhMikeS | hmmm...maybe it requires other strategies. the 920T core is pipelining sensitive and it was arranged to eliminate stalling |
10:45:36 | linuxstb | So you think it's worth copying the .S file, so it can be optimised more in the future? |
10:45:59 | linuxstb | Or would you prefer I didn't commit it at all? |
10:46:00 | jhMikeS | it might be. when I get my sansa I'll goof around with it and see if it likes something else. |
10:46:39 | jhMikeS | does sansa have IRAM? |
10:46:56 | amiconn | afaik it does |
10:47:04 | amiconn | Should be 128KB like the PP5022 |
10:47:08 | linuxstb | I would guess 128KB, same as the PP5021/22.... |
10:47:39 | jhMikeS | was thinking something but realized that the stack buffers should already be iram |
10:47:48 | linuxstb | Although IRAM doesn't help PP targets to the same extent as Coldfire. |
10:48:35 | jhMikeS | could be instuction order isn't as critical there |
10:48:37 | amiconn | Because of PP having a data cache |
10:48:48 | amiconn | The PP5002 is an exception though |
10:49:21 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Where did you find information about arm pipelining btw? |
10:49:48 | Ctcp | Ignored 4 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
10:49:48 | * | amiconn guesses pipelining of the 920T and the 720TDMI aren't very different |
10:49:51 | jhMikeS | in the 920T core docs. you'll stall memory loads if you access the registers loaded to right off |
10:50:23 | amiconn | Sounds familiar... SH1 also does this |
10:51:32 | jhMikeS | x86 is the same as well so it's rather familiar. but there seem to be some other suble things that gave it more speed as far as ordering register access after certain instructions...again familiar |
10:55:08 | jhMikeS | just an instuction order change resulted in about 2 more fps |
10:58:28 | amiconn | Hehe, instruction order is sometimes very important |
10:59:19 | amiconn | For SH1, there is a detailed explanation of pipelining in the manual. Some time back I managed to make the lcd write 10% faster by just reordering instructions |
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11:01:47 | jhMikeS | with the bandwith needed for the gigabeat lcd it'll tell you the news pretty positively |
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11:04:23 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: I guess if the sansa runs better with that routine, use it. It can always be split away easily if some variation turns out better for it. |
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11:06:22 | linuxstb | OK. The only issue is that now the Sansa is using files from the gigabeat target tree directory... So if the file is shared, it should probably be moved up a couple of levels (into target/arm/) and renamed. |
11:08:55 | jhMikeS | hmmm...well if you think that's a good idea. again, not a problem to rearrange if nescessary I suppose. |
11:10:35 | amiconn | In this case it might be better to copy it instead. |
11:11:00 | amiconn | While it's shared between gigabeat and sansa, it doesn't apply to all the other arm targets |
11:11:31 | jhMikeS | what was the framerate before the 6fps increase? |
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11:19:02 | jhMikeS | ah, found it, 21 to 27 (28%) but on gigabeat 25 to 40 (60%)...hehe |
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11:20:02 | linuxstb | OK, I'll copy the .S file and commit. |
11:20:13 | linuxstb | BTW, is the (ARM) asm version less accurate than the C version? I've just made it work on the ipod video, and there seems to be more visible blocking effects than I remember. |
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11:20:42 | linuxstb | (although I haven't tried mpegplayer on the video for a while) |
11:22:03 | jhMikeS | it should be brighter than before since the 16-235 range is mapped to 0-255 |
11:26:08 | jhMikeS | were the rerangings by markun in the old code compared? they were corrected but not for long so I don't know what's being compared here. |
11:26:15 | * | amiconn doesn't like mirak's idct patch rotting away in the tracker :( |
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11:28:41 | linuxstb | Someone also needs to try and optimise IRAM usage on the Coldfire targets - I think mirak gained a lot via IRAM with his patch, but it now doesn't apply due to libmad using IRAM. |
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11:28:59 | jhMikeS | and yes, it's less accurate but that should actually darken the output a little and compress the deltas in the dark colors |
11:29:39 | linuxstb | But would a possible side-effect be more visible blocking? |
11:29:41 | jhMikeS | with coldfire you can gain almost the same using bursts |
11:32:05 | jhMikeS | I'm not sure how actually. I'd really think it would have to do with stretching the ranges to the RGB ranges. |
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11:33:14 | sne | hi all, discussion about rockbox, in this channel, is only english language? may be exist people forim Russia or speak on rus lang)? |
11:33:34 | sne | *from |
11:34:06 | sne | sorry for bad eanglish( |
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11:35:00 | ChocoboKnight | hello |
11:35:02 | ChocoboKnight | can anyone give me assistance in rockbox? |
11:35:15 | ChocoboKnight | i installed rockbox and it stuffed up |
11:35:26 | ChocoboKnight | now when i connect my ipod to the usb, it doesnt load |
11:35:57 | jhMikeS | With the code before reranging, the display would have been darker, it assumed black was 0, and the range was 0 to 255 as it is in JPEG. |
11:36:09 | markun | sne: we have some russian users, but maybe non of them is here now |
11:36:21 | sne | markun: thx |
11:36:58 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Are you close to committing your mpegplayer changes? I don't want to do any more work on it until you do. |
11:36:58 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: suppose you can compare markuns change just before the asm...I guess I'll have a look myself. |
11:37:10 | markun | ChocoboKnight: This maybe http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_do_I_restore_my_broken_iPod |
11:37:31 | linuxstb | ChocoboKnight: What does your ipod show on the screen? |
11:37:57 | ChocoboKnight | loading rockbox.ipod: |
11:38:04 | ChocoboKnight | error! |
11:38:12 | ChocoboKnight | can't load rockbox.ipod |
11:38:15 | ChocoboKnight | file not found |
11:38:19 | linuxstb | Then you didn't actually install Rockbox, just the bootloader... |
11:38:21 | jhMikeS | and "close" means? :p maybe days...I want a few things simplified and the framedropping perfected...which is a bit of an art to make it as pleasing as possible |
11:38:31 | ChocoboKnight | press menu+sel to reboot then select+play for diskmode |
11:38:43 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: "close" means hours. :) |
11:39:04 | linuxstb | ChocoboKnight: Do what your ipod tells you, then install Rockbox. |
11:39:05 | ChocoboKnight | how do i fix this problem? |
11:39:14 | ChocoboKnight | how do i install? |
11:39:22 | linuxstb | Follow _all_ the steps in the manual. |
11:39:54 | ChocoboKnight | i'm at disk mode |
11:39:58 | linuxstb | You basically need to download the rockbox.zip for your ipod and extract the contents to your ipod. |
11:40:13 | linuxstb | Plus also do the same with the fonts zip file. |
11:40:46 | ChocoboKnight | i've downloaded rockbox.zip |
11:40:51 | ChocoboKnight | how i install those? |
11:40:59 | markun | ChocoboKnight: just unzip |
11:41:02 | ChocoboKnight | yea |
11:41:03 | ChocoboKnight | and then |
11:41:18 | markun | that's all |
11:41:23 | markun | unzip them to your ipod |
11:41:35 | linuxstb | As I said, the manual tells you exactly what to do. |
11:41:44 | ChocoboKnight | k |
11:43:16 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: if we measure a couple days in hours sure, just hours away :P |
11:43:33 | ChocoboKnight | unzip the build to the root directory of your player like you did before |
11:43:36 | ChocoboKnight | before? |
11:43:40 | ChocoboKnight | what step |
11:44:17 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: ;) |
11:44:31 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: a big deal if it glitches the frames a little in the first second or so? sometimes audio starts after video and seeking really should be done at the start and in a separate layer imo |
11:44:43 | sne | may i ask some questions about compile rockbox, and source code here? |
11:45:04 | linuxstb | ChocoboKnight: To quote the manual - "Use the ?Extract all? command of your unzip program to extract the files in the .zip file onto your player. Note that the entire contents of the .zip file should be extracted directly to the root of your player?s drive. Do not try to create a separate directory or folder on your player for the Rockbox files! The .zip file already contains the internal directory structure that Rockbox needs." |
11:45:42 | jhMikeS | I have it set up to run the clock at all times even if no audio is present. I don't think a continuous audio stream can be assumed or even that there is one. |
11:45:53 | jhMikeS | I'm not using that atm now though |
11:46:12 | linuxstb | Why would there not be a continuous audio stream? |
11:46:48 | linuxstb | It's also quite common for the audio and video streams to start at different times, so it would be good to avoid glitches in those cases. |
11:47:20 | linuxstb | sne: Sure, ask your questions. |
11:47:55 | jhMikeS | of course, but by seeking the streams to their starts with the same code that would seek anywhere else in the file and setting the clock to the earliest start |
11:50:00 | linuxstb | Sounds reasonable. So are you planning to implement seeking as well? |
11:50:04 | jhMikeS | also, I don't think MPEG requires a continuous audio stream. it can have gaps |
11:51:00 | sne | i have ipod video 30gb, volume controls by circular cirsensor, in range -58..6dB with step 1dB. i editing in ./firmware/sound.c array of sound_settings_info type. set step to 10, compile and upload firmware to mi ipod. But step was not change.. |
11:51:00 | jhMikeS | I don't know yet. probably not in this update anyway. |
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11:51:46 | jhMikeS | In fact I don't thing MPEG requires a continuous steam for anything, you have to use the timestamps and keep the clock going |
11:51:54 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: No, it doesn't. |
11:52:09 | linuxstb | I mean it doesn't require continuous streams. |
11:52:45 | linuxstb | sne: How did you copy your updated Rockbox to your ipod? Did you just copy the rockbox.ipod file? |
11:53:27 | mick | Looking at the recent patch by petur I'm thinking whether it would be possible to have hierarchical config. Do I have to explain what I mean? |
11:53:57 | sne | linuxstb: no, i do make all, make zip, and unpack. range is changing, but step - no ( |
11:55:28 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: does it allow for midsteam samplerate changes? I never found anything saying it did. Also, I guess the way to keep the clock going is keep sending silence when the buffer is empty, when it gets data it switches over. |
11:56:42 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: It probably does... But I think it's reasonable for mpegplayer to put certain limitations on the input files, such as a single samplerate and continuous audio and video streams. |
11:57:23 | mick | Anotehr question: should "make zip" also compile if the sources have changed? |
11:58:33 | markun | mick: would be nice yes |
11:59:23 | linuxstb | But it looks to have been a deliberate choice not to make it do that - Bagder would probably know for sure. |
11:59:44 | mick | markun: "would"? Isn't it a standard feature of make? |
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12:00:25 | linuxstb | mick: make just follows whatever dependency rules the Makefile author writes. |
12:00:30 | jhMikeS | I'm thinking it shouldn't be any harder to delay audio in a similar manner to video...it just can wait till the clock says it's ready. I'm trying to avoid absolute references to the first frame except in stream seeking itself...so I'm framing it out a bit. Audio can be both a clock and wait it's turn without much trouble. |
12:01:08 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I have a collection of troublesome files that show different a/v sync problems. Would you like them? |
12:02:21 | mick | linuxstb: that's what I've thought :-) But I haven't looked into the generated make files. I once tried it (make zip) and it didn't compile, so I had to call "make" manually |
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12:02:58 | linuxstb | mick: And there are no stated dependencies for zip:, so I can only assume that was deliberate. |
12:02:59 | markun | mick: I know it's standard in make, but not used in our Makefile or else you wouldn't be suggesting it. |
12:03:39 | mick | Was it deliberate? Why? What are the reasons? I can't see any. |
12:04:49 | markun | mick: maybe you can find something in the svn log |
12:04:57 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: sure, link me up |
12:05:22 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I'll need to collect them together and upload them. Give me a short time (minutes...) |
12:05:28 | mick | markun: what should I look at? Isn't the makefile generated by some perl script? |
12:06:08 | mick | ...i.e. by tools/configure? Or is there a "template"? |
12:06:12 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: what audio stream types are legal in MPEG1 and MPEG2 video? I think a clock can be based on common factors of all of them so the units are constant. |
12:07:33 | markun | mick: I think this is the commit: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=4672 |
12:07:34 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: MPEG program streams can contain anything in private data streams, including audio... |
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12:07:58 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: So in theory, I think you could put any format audio you wanted in with an MPEG video stream. |
12:08:22 | linuxstb | But the only ones I've seen are MPEG audio, AC3, DTS and uncompressed PCM |
12:08:48 | linuxstb | Plus MLP (Meridian Lossless Packing) in DVD-Audio program streams, but they don't have a video stream... |
12:09:11 | markun | linuxstb: does mp3 have a better compression ratio (for the same quality) than ac3? |
12:09:36 | linuxstb | I've no idea. |
12:09:42 | markun | mick: so you can ask Bagder when he gets back |
12:10:03 | linuxstb | I would expect lame to be far better than any free AC3 encoder though... |
12:10:46 | jhMikeS | if we just support mpa that limits the sample rates to 8000, 11025, 12000, 22050, 24000, 32000, 44100, 48000 |
12:10:57 | mick | markun: ...or just add the dependency :-) (I'm not a committer though) Is there a special target for compiling? So I could call make xxx zip? |
12:13:33 | mick | I have many names in the "buddy" list of this channel but the never post anything. Are they just lurking? Or do they login automatically? |
12:13:46 | mick | s/the/they/ |
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12:15:32 | linuxstb | mick: I think I prefer the current "make zip" behaviour. It gives me the choice of either building a zip from my last build, without the delay of checking dependencies, or if I type "make && make zip", then it will rebuild (if necessary) and then make the zip. |
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12:17:00 | mick | linuxstb: that's what I wanted to know. This would be ok for me too. What does "&&" mean? Is it a shell command? |
12:17:54 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: the lost video is actually badly synced in itself. do the files you're uploading still show trouble with the patch? |
12:18:29 | Bagder | I removed the dependency zip => build to better allow building zips even if the build (partially) failed |
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12:19:06 | Bagder | mick: its a conditional so that the second command is only run if the first ran fine |
12:19:26 | iwantanimac | Anyone else have trouble with Apt-Get on the VMWare image? |
12:19:28 | mick | Bagder: thanks for clarification. It's ok then |
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12:21:32 | mick | Is it possible to specify the "archos" folder when starting the sim? |
12:22:50 | Bagder | mick: no |
12:23:04 | Bagder | but making it a symlink is nice |
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12:23:51 | mick | Was it also deliberate (as in "link is enough") or has nobody just done it? |
12:24:23 | iwantanimac | can anyone help me with the VMWare image? |
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12:24:36 | mick | Can I use links under windows? (I know you guys use linux) |
12:26:20 | mick | bagder: can we have hierarchical configs? So that e.g. the last "boot dir" symbol would be defined at a higer level (and thus at less places)? |
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12:29:05 | jhMikeS | I'd love to have the decoder fast enough so that dithering can be used on gigabeat. it would improve video appearance alot since greater accuracy would be needed anyhow. |
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12:30:31 | jhMikeS | come to think of it...I might try it anyway...the instruction count would hardly change since it has that shifter |
12:32:33 | linuxstb | What about scaling? The gigabeat's CPU should (at least with some more optimisation) be able to decode VCD files (352x240 for NTSC, 352x288 for PAL) |
12:35:04 | jhMikeS | sure...could try it out. I also want to look into other things the decoder can do besides drop frames for us...it might be possible to rotate there |
12:35:32 | jhMikeS | that would compact the yuv conversion a bit too |
12:36:09 | jhMikeS | ...and do something that the CPU is designed for and that is accessing memory in a contiguous fashion |
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12:44:50 | * | Nico_P just got his H320 back with a new HDD and a new battery, courtesy of iriver :) |
12:45:21 | iwantanimac | grats. |
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12:48:28 | fliegenderfrosch | I just wanted to do an upgrade of my rockbox-version, and now the rockbox.iriver-file has been moved into the .rockbox-folder. Does this mean, that I have to move it back to the root directory of my player or can I just delete the old rockbox.iriver file? |
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12:48:54 | iwantanimac | delete the old one, as long as you have the latest bootloder. |
12:49:21 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: where're my links? :) |
12:51:05 | petur | fliegenderfrosch: the new location is in the .rockbox directory, remove any other copy of the file that is elsewhere |
12:51:33 | fliegenderfrosch | petur, does that mean i have to update the bootloader? |
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12:53:13 | petur | fliegenderfrosch: on ipod I presume? could be, I'm not an ipod master ;) |
12:53:31 | fliegenderfrosch | petur, no, on an iriver h140 |
12:53:39 | pixelma | petur: rockbox.iriver on an ipod? ;) |
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12:54:08 | * | petur rereads above conversation and slaps forehead |
12:54:34 | petur | fliegenderfrosch: unless you've got a very old bootloader... |
12:54:35 | Genre9mp3 | poor forehead.. |
12:55:13 | fliegenderfrosch | petur, it says "Version 6" |
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12:55:42 | petur | sounds ok |
12:55:59 | petur | anyway, you'll notice if it doesn't work ;) |
12:56:49 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: translate? iRiver fixed an older model right and didn't charge? just try that one with Cowon if you ever get the chance. |
12:57:14 | fliegenderfrosch | petur, ok, thanks. i'm going to try it |
12:57:30 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I sent my H320 under warranty to have the battery and HDD replaced |
12:57:52 | Nico_P | I have no iAudio player |
12:58:45 | jhMikeS | and it still works? amazing. if it were Cowon something else would surely be broken even though it was "tested thoroughly by the service department". :p |
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13:01:20 | * | jhMikeS just can't help bash them a little bit whenever something related to iAudio or service comes up in IRC |
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13:02:18 | * | petur hopes there will be a BOFH today |
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13:07:32 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: It's charging right now so I don't know if it works |
13:07:48 | Nico_P | but last time I sent it to them it came back working fine |
13:09:10 | jhMikeS | definitely a better experience than Cowon. everytime they fixed one thing they broke another and I don't even want em to touch it, I'll figure out a parts source and do it myself. |
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13:28:41 | amiconn | Nico_P: Does the wps tokenizer support .wps files with dos style line ends? |
13:30:39 | Nico_P | amiconn: not sure... the "file to memory" process is the same as before but maybe the parser is a bit more sensitive |
13:30:52 | Nico_P | I'll try |
13:31:09 | * | amiconn could just try it himself |
13:32:48 | Nico_P | amiconn: seems to work fine but I'm not fully confident in the conversion, so a confirmation wouldn't hurt :) |
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13:41:59 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Sorry, I got dragged away from my computer. I'm uploading them to my website now, but they'll take about 30 minutes. (it's about a 100MB zip) |
13:43:26 | jhMikeS | thanks. have to go in a little bit and was worried I'd miss out on these too. |
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15:30:29 | raphi | I know it's the wrong irc channel, but can someone tell me, what happens when i connect an 8 Ohm Amp, to 6 Ohm Speakers? |
15:32:23 | jhMikeS | you get a 3.428 Ohm speaker amp? |
15:33:25 | raphi | ? Don't understand.... Does it damage the speakers or the amp in any way? |
15:35:55 | bluebrother | usually it won't, but it can, especially if you use really loud volume ... |
15:36:14 | bluebrother | but most amps can drive 4 - 8 Ohms anyway. |
15:36:30 | raphi | ok, thanks, then i'll buy it :-D |
15:36:49 | raphi | an old traditional yamaha ax530 :-D |
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16:50:29 | roolku | Nico_P: what do you mean by "strictly positive tiemout" ? does this mean %t0 is not possible anymore? This is a very useful feature (even documented with an example on CustomWPS) and should definitely stay. |
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17:07:55 | Nico_P | roolku: I've tested this with the iAmp WPS and it works, even though the sublines can't be disabled |
17:08:26 | roolku | roolku: but that is the point. one needs to be able to disable sublines |
17:08:33 | Nico_P | the problem is that once a subline is disabled it won't be shown ever again even if it should be |
17:08:53 | Nico_P | roolku: the subline isn't actually disabled but it isn't shown |
17:09:03 | roolku | Nico_P: what do you mean by problem? a design flaw in the tokenizer?> |
17:09:33 | * | roolku is confused |
17:10:11 | Nico_P | well it's not a desingn flaw but it's something that can't work exactly like the old code did |
17:10:16 | roolku | Nico_P: you mean you can turn it off but not on again? |
17:10:45 | roolku | Nico_P: does the example from CustomWPS still work? |
17:10:50 | Nico_P | roolku: yes. if it's turned off it won't ever be turned on again |
17:11:37 | roolku | Nico_P: what is ever? |
17:11:52 | roolku | Nico_P: this is not good |
17:12:13 | Nico_P | roolku: not sure what example you are tlaking about. Also, it's not possible to have different sets of sublines depending on a conditional value aymore |
17:12:34 | TheSphinX^afk | could it be that the subline now is simply hidden and not disabled, because it couldn't reactivated? or am I missundarstanding? |
17:12:40 | roolku | Nico_P: this is really bad, breaks my WPS big time |
17:12:50 | Nico_P | roolku: can I see your WPS ? |
17:13:26 | roolku | (unless I misunderstand "set of sublines"?) |
17:15:08 | Nico_P | roolku: actually I misunderstood the example... I thought i was something like "%?it<..A.;..B.|..C..;...D..>" |
17:15:26 | Nico_P | s/i/it |
17:15:50 | Nico_P | so what I said was wrong |
17:17:38 | roolku | so something like: %?it<%t4%ia|%t4[%d1]>%ar%?fa<|F|A|D>%?fl<|8|L|S|T>%?rp<| %rp>%?rr<|/%rr>;%?ic<%t4(%ic)|%t0> would still work? |
17:18:23 | roolku | simplified: %?it<%t4%ia|%t4[%d1]>;%?ic<%t4(%ic)|%t0> |
17:18:51 | roolku | i.e. alternate comment with title only if there is a comment? |
17:20:09 | Nico_P | roolku: well the %t0 will be "replaced" by an implicit %t2, but if there's no composer the second subline probably will never be shown |
17:20:50 | Nico_P | so you could rewrite it more simply : %?it<%t4%ia|%t4[%d1]>;%?ic<%t4(%ic)> |
17:21:00 | Nico_P | I think this should do what you want it to do |
17:21:12 | Nico_P | I'll even try it |
17:23:20 | roolku | ah, so in order to "disable" sublines you have to make them empty now? |
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17:24:24 | Nico_P | roolku: yes, that works |
17:25:06 | Nico_P | in fact empty lines aren't drawn, so an empty subline won't replace the previous one |
17:25:27 | roolku | okay thanks, I guess I just saw that %t0 was disallowed now and paniced. :) |
17:25:53 | roolku | Nico_P: hang on - so how to you blank a line? |
17:25:58 | Nico_P | I'll have to make some changes to the CustomWPS page |
17:26:22 | roolku | *do you |
17:26:44 | Nico_P | roolku: a space works |
17:26:50 | roolku | okay |
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17:30:42 | Nico_P | roolku: the only problem (I hope it won't be too serious though) is that the timeout value for the subline that isn't shown is still honored |
17:30:48 | Nico_P | an example : %?it<%t0.5%ia|%t0.5[%d1]>; %t0.5;%t0.5%?ic<(%ic)> |
17:31:33 | Nico_P | when there is no composer, you'll have the title for half a second and the blank line for 1 second |
17:32:40 | roolku | is it difficult to change the parser to ignore the |%t0 ? So that the existing syntax can stay? Would save me from having to edit all the wps - I just did a grep in my wps folder and it came up in 25 files. :( |
17:34:11 | Nico_P | roolku: it will be ignored... or rather understood as a %t2 |
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17:35:02 | roolku | Nico_P: but surely this is not the intention ? |
17:36:10 | Nico_P | what do you mean ? |
17:36:57 | roolku | I have a line along of %?x1<%t4(%x1)|%t0>;%?x2<%t4(%x2)|%t0>;%?x2<%t4(%x2)|%t0>;%?x3<%t4(%x3)|%t0> |
17:37:35 | roolku | so this becomes: %?x1<%t4(%x1)|%t2>;%?x2<%t4(%x2)|%t0>;%?x2<%t4(%x2)|%t2>;%?x3<%t4(%x3)|%t2> now? |
17:38:06 | roolku | I want to display (optional) information for 4s only if it is available |
17:38:29 | roolku | %x1 %x2 %x3 %x4 - fictional tags |
17:38:30 | Nico_P | with your code it will only be displayed it it's available |
17:39:15 | Nico_P | the timing probably won't be the exact same as before but the same tags will be displayed |
17:39:19 | Nico_P | you should try it |
17:40:42 | roolku | so when x2 is not available, can you give the times of how long x1, x2 x3 are displaye? |
17:41:20 | roolku | I undestand x1 for 8s, x3 for 4s and x4 for 4s? |
17:41:24 | Nico_P | yes |
17:41:32 | roolku | this is not what I want :( |
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17:41:58 | roolku | also you said %t0 changes to %t4, so it would be |
17:42:07 | roolku | I undestand x1 for 6s, x3 for 4s and x4 for 4s? |
17:42:35 | roolku | why x2 f 8s ??? |
17:42:38 | Nico_P | actually yes, that should be right |
17:42:44 | Nico_P | 6, 4, 4 |
17:43:05 | roolku | how do I achieve 4,4,4 ? |
17:43:25 | roolku | it is getting worse when x2 and x3 are missing |
17:43:26 | Nico_P | maybe replace the %t0 by a %t0.1 |
17:43:40 | Nico_P | that should be very close to what you want |
17:43:44 | roolku | 8,4 if I understand correctly |
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17:44:51 | * | roolku still thinks this is a serious breach of compatibility |
17:45:34 | Nico_P | roolku: you're the first to complain about it :) |
17:45:40 | roolku | I don't understand the why it shouldn't be possible achieve the original behaviour |
17:46:17 | webguest77 | Hello everybody . I want to ask a question : do Roxbox works on iPon nano (1 gen) firmware version 1.3.1 ? |
17:46:22 | roolku | your commit only just happened |
17:46:30 | bluebrother | webguest77: it works. |
17:46:43 | bluebrother | afaik ;-) |
17:46:43 | webguest77 | are you sure ? |
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17:47:05 | bluebrother | I don't think the ipods rely on the OF version |
17:47:06 | Nico_P | roolku: I'll see if it is possible to reproduce the exact same behaviour |
17:47:15 | bluebrother | it doesn't work on the 2nd gen nano |
17:47:19 | Nico_P | but I can't give any guarantees |
17:47:23 | roolku | Nico_P: thank you |
17:47:31 | roolku | Nico_P: please try |
17:47:39 | webguest77 | ok, i know that, what means OF ? |
17:48:04 | Llorean | bluebrother: There have been cases in the past of Apple changing their Original Firmware so that an installation of Rockbox breaks it, but I believe that was wholly because our old installation process didn't have flexibility in it. |
17:48:30 | roolku | Nico_P: replacing %t0 with an (arbitary) %t2 doesn't seem like a clean solution |
17:49:57 | bluebrother | oh. Never heard of that (at least from what I can remember ;-) |
17:50:16 | bluebrother | btw, I just booted IPL using the RB bootloader. Wasn't complicated to setup at all |
17:50:29 | bluebrother | (as I had to do a manual setup anyway) |
17:50:33 | Llorean | bluebrother: It happened very briefly with v 1.2. We didn't handle the RCSC image, and for some reason that caused no songs to show up in the apple firmware. |
17:50:38 | vertic23 | hey bluebrother |
17:50:52 | Llorean | Yeah, the only "hard" part of setting up iPL with the RB loader is making yourself an ext2 partition. Not really "hard" though. :) |
17:50:55 | webguest77 | i donot sure i fully understood , but thanks anyway, but do you think it is safe to load rockbox into 1.3.1 ipod ? i mean is there are possibility to fall back the changes safely |
17:51:09 | Llorean | webguest77: Yes, it's safe as long as you just follow the instructions |
17:51:36 | webguest77 | ok |
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17:52:40 | bluebrother | webguest77: you can't break the hardware of the ipod by installing something. In the worst cases of all you can always restore using the restore tool of itunes |
17:53:29 | Llorean | linuxstb: I'm not sure if you saw it in the logs, but it sounds like the H10 5/6gb does the same as the Sansa regarding audio in the plugin |
17:53:35 | Llorean | linuxstb: Err, mpegplayer plugin |
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17:59:08 | xllhawksllx | hey people |
17:59:42 | xllhawksllx | i was wondering, is there anything to hack the second generation ipod. or version 1.1.2? 4 gig nano ipod? |
17:59:47 | bluebrother | Llorean: what do you think of FS #6983? Doesn't look like something we need to have open. |
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18:00:01 | bluebrother | xllhawksllx: 2nd generation nano or what? |
18:00:12 | xllhawksllx | yes, 2nd genration ipod |
18:00:17 | bluebrother | Rockbox runs fine on my 2nd gen mini :) |
18:00:18 | xllhawksllx | nano |
18:00:38 | bluebrother | see the discussion in the New Ports forums. |
18:00:40 | xllhawksllx | i never done anything like this before, so im a total neewb |
18:00:50 | xllhawksllx | im afraid, as u prb can tell |
18:01:01 | xllhawksllx | ok, |
18:01:05 | Llorean | bluebrother: I closed it as "duplicate". I know it's been asked before, so either it's a duplicate of them, or the reasons for closing are a duplicate of the reasons for those. :) |
18:01:23 | xllhawksllx | so will i be able to mod the skin? |
18:01:30 | xllhawksllx | on my second generation, with simplicity? |
18:02:27 | Llorean | xllhawksllx: No. |
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18:02:40 | xllhawksllx | oh,... |
18:02:55 | Llorean | xllhawksllx: This channel is just about #Rockbox, not other mods, but the steps necessary to be able to reskin an iPod include the first step necessary to be able to run other code. |
18:03:40 | xllhawksllx | oh i see, thanks for the help, much appreciated |
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18:03:59 | bluebrother | Llorean: I was thinking that too ... I'm just missing you to add a "please search the tracker before adding tasks" as additional closing reason ;-) |
18:04:46 | MentalDental | Evening all. |
18:07:48 | xllhawksllx | whatsup? >mental< |
18:07:51 | Llorean | bluebrother: I'd very much like a "PEBKAC" (or PEBKAC depending on your preference) reason for closing, personally. Anyone who knows what it means probably wouldn't receive it (or not be offended) anyway. ;) |
18:08:39 | bluebrother | right :) |
18:09:23 | bluebrother | I was already tempted to write PEBKAC in the comment once :) |
18:11:01 | Llorean | jhmikes: For the logs, if you see this, reading some of your discussion, I'm worried: Are you using Markun's ranges, or the old jpeg ranges? |
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18:17:38 | MentalDental | I must say, being new to this whole Rockbox thing. |
18:17:44 | MentalDental | I'm just amazed by it. |
18:17:48 | MentalDental | And the community |
18:18:46 | hiho | mental: yea, and what a great cause! |
18:19:05 | hiho | can anyone tell me current battery life on a sansa e? |
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18:22:54 | MentalDental | When making a WPS, I've got some images that are permanently going to be on show. Would it be recommended to integrate these into the background or to leave them as seperate entities? I'm guessing there's no right or wrong, just interested to hear some other POVs. |
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18:34:04 | joa | i have a 5th gen ipod |
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18:34:35 | joa | not 5.5. how easy is it to put the rockbox firmware onto. I want to do it to give flac/ogg support |
18:35:01 | joa | other people have said it's quite tricky |
18:35:22 | joa | i can follow instructions no problems with error. But is it going to be abit of a mission for a first timer? |
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18:39:18 | TheSphinX^afk | joa: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
18:39:43 | pixelma | joa: afaik the installation has become a lot easier in the last couple of months - pick the manual version you want and decide yourself http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
18:42:22 | perl|work | why not mention the rockbox utility as well? |
18:42:42 | perl|work | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
18:44:36 | MentalDental | Joa. |
18:44:49 | MentalDental | I decided to put Rockbox on just yesterday on a 5th gen ipod. |
18:45:14 | MentalDental | There were no troubles at all, and it was remarkably easy. Just follow the instructions carefully and it's pretty hard to go wrong. |
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18:52:34 | vertic23 | hey... I got some question about my X5 and its battery |
18:52:47 | vertic23 | it's always showing like 60% left ...and then "Please recharge..." |
18:52:54 | vertic23 | do I have to do the batterybench then? |
18:53:08 | pixelma | vertic23: when did you last update your X5? |
18:53:17 | pixelma | (the rockbox build I mean) |
18:53:37 | vertic23 | hmm dunno |
18:53:44 | vertic23 | I can tell you the cvs |
18:53:54 | vertic23 | 061211 |
18:54:00 | vertic23 | 11th of december |
18:54:01 | pixelma | I'm asking because there was a commit that fixed the battery percentage display just this week |
18:54:09 | vertic23 | amazing |
18:54:15 | vertic23 | ok, I'll do the update right now then |
18:54:16 | vertic23 | thanks |
18:54:29 | vertic23 | and... maybe read the changelog |
18:54:32 | vertic23 | might be interesting |
18:54:44 | pixelma | ok if you have such an old build - be prepared for a lot of changes... |
18:55:20 | TrueJournals | vertic23: You might want to start updating more often... I would say at least once a week... but that's just my two cents |
18:55:49 | vertic23 | like what kind of changes? |
18:55:54 | vertic23 | elementary? |
18:56:11 | vertic23 | TrueJournals: yes - but my opinion is more "never change a running system" |
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18:56:35 | vertic23 | but - I know now - that it's better for the community (...bugfixes) to do that more often... |
18:56:43 | vertic23 | or as you say weekly |
18:56:52 | linuxstb | There are also new features which you may or may not be interested in. |
18:56:55 | vertic23 | I'll do so from now on - I swear |
18:57:03 | vertic23 | I guess ;) |
18:57:21 | linuxstb | Also, "version 1.0" of the X5 port hasn't been released yet, so you're running a beta... |
18:57:47 | vertic23 | ...runs quite perfectly though :P |
18:58:13 | pixelma | except the battery percentage estimation ;) |
18:58:14 | joa | thanks guys. it was a stupid question to ask as i should of just gone and read the manual |
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18:58:25 | joa | but im advising a friend to buy one as he wants ogg/flac support |
18:58:30 | vertic23 | that was since I have bought it :P |
18:58:41 | vertic23 | *has been... |
18:58:44 | joa | and knowing about rockbox i'd love to recommend it to him but he'll be relying on me to do it all 100% |
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18:59:00 | TrueJournals | I have a question about coding... I want to add an item to the root menu, and I have most of the code from another patch. I just want to know how to make an icon for the menu item? |
18:59:20 | joa | which im fine with researching and getting involved in it etc but i dont want to waste his cash. But sod it. I was going to do it myself when i can afford a dap compatible anyway. |
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18:59:51 | vertic23 | ...and I have a question too - is it possible to define a "home" directory? ...I mean - that when I boot the player - he directly shows me the MP3 dir? |
19:00 |
19:00:05 | vertic23 | ...I mean - there is actually nothing "interesting" in / |
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19:00:43 | TrueJournals | vertic23: If you use the Database, you can then set the home screen to the Database and have all your music there... |
19:01:02 | vertic23 | is it recommended to use the db? |
19:01:12 | vertic23 | faster? |
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19:01:20 | perl|work | its a mater of taste really |
19:01:27 | TrueJournals | I would reccomend it... seems easier to manage your music that way, but I don't know if it's faster |
19:01:27 | vertic23 | ...what's the difference? |
19:01:39 | perl|work | plus the datebase config file is really flexible |
19:01:44 | vertic23 | hmm actually I don't know what that db is I guess |
19:01:57 | vertic23 | what does it do? |
19:02:19 | TrueJournals | It will index all your music |
19:02:21 | perl|work | ever used an ipod with original firmware? |
19:02:31 | vertic23 | no |
19:02:32 | pixelma | vertic23: you can also set the file browser as start screen |
19:02:37 | vertic23 | well.. yea "used" |
19:02:39 | vertic23 | don't like it |
19:02:41 | TrueJournals | Then, you can easily select by artist, album, year, or even more options if you configure tagnavi.config |
19:02:55 | vertic23 | nah, that sucks... |
19:03:19 | vertic23 | I like browsing the real files |
19:03:43 | vertic23 | but - I mean - if it was like... ehm better for the hdd or something - I'd use it (in order to get more battery "life") |
19:03:45 | TrueJournals | Like perl|work said... it's really all a matter of preference |
19:03:50 | vertic23 | ok |
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19:05:15 | webguest15 | Does anybody know if the H10 5G mpegplayer audio problem has been reported? |
19:05:39 | TheSphinX^afk | it's already reported |
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19:05:51 | TrueJournals | I'm assuiming you mean how it sounds weird? |
19:06:15 | webguest15 | Yes. Like static in the audio. |
19:06:45 | TrueJournals | Then, yes, it's been reported as TheSphinX^afk said |
19:06:52 | webguest15 | thank you |
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19:49:37 | vertic23 | omg... there are icons :D |
19:49:47 | vertic23 | and a new start menu |
19:49:49 | vertic23 | wtf :) |
19:50:04 | vertic23 | it's like I'm totally new to rockbox hehehe |
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19:50:36 | vertic23 | and... the battery issue wow :D |
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20:34:19 | SliMM | hello |
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20:36:14 | SliMM | could you please tell me why do i get this error when compiling rockbox (UI Sim, iPod 5g): "helloworld.c:61: error: syntax error before numeric constant" |
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20:37:16 | SliMM | http://pastebin.ca/427289 for the code |
20:38:10 | SliMM | anyone? |
20:38:22 | mhydronic | hi i just upgraded rockbox to yesterday's daily build. there used to be a resume on start-up option - other than the menu item at start up, does it still exist? |
20:39:07 | SliMM | it does |
20:39:11 | SliMM | i think |
20:39:24 | mhydronic | where? |
20:39:25 | SliMM | but you could just press "play" |
20:39:34 | pixelma | mhydronic: yes - if you chose "wps" as start screen (in general settings > system > start screen I believe) |
20:39:48 | SliMM | it's in the main menu |
20:40:10 | SliMM | oh |
20:40:13 | pixelma | SliMM: he means an automatic start without any button presses |
20:40:40 | SliMM | yes, i understaind now |
20:40:44 | SliMM | :) |
20:41:19 | mhydronic | yeah all that shows here is: previous screen, main menu, files, database, resume playback, settings, recording, recent bookmarks |
20:41:48 | pixelma | then I guess it's "resume playback", no? |
20:42:20 | mhydronic | i select that and it goes back to the previous system settings screen. then when i restarted it, it didnt resume :( |
20:43:49 | mhydronic | pixelma: what build are you using? |
20:44:56 | SliMM | mhydronic: how long have you been using rockbox? |
20:44:59 | pixelma | svn as of yesterday - I'll just try myself now because I don't know if it works as it should (don't use this setting usually) |
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20:46:14 | mhydronic | eh.. i had an old archos jukebox and first used rockbox on that.. then i got an ipod this past christmas and of course installed rockbox on it.. prolly 2 or 3 years |
20:46:34 | SliMM | mhydronic: if u have updated to the new bootloader recently, make sure you don't have 2 copies of rockbox.target (i. e. rockbox.ipod) on your DAP |
20:47:24 | SliMM | the rockbox.ipod (at least) should just be in /.rockbox |
20:47:33 | SliMM | not in root too |
20:47:35 | mhydronic | k im checking |
20:47:42 | Nico_P | SliMM: about your code... rb->LCD_WIDTH is incorrect. it's LCD_WIDTH |
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20:47:56 | Nico_P | same goes with rb->LCD_HEIGHT |
20:48:21 | pixelma | mhydronic: yes it works here (on iaudio) |
20:48:22 | SliMM | thanx |
20:48:40 | mhydronic | SliMM: i did have two copies.. hopefully it works now ;) |
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20:48:53 | mhydronic | thanks pix |
20:49:14 | mhydronic | i have a hidden ipod_control folder in my root.. i can delete this correct? |
20:49:18 | SliMM | mhydronic: it wasn't saving any settings |
20:49:28 | SliMM | dunno |
20:49:32 | mhydronic | i think when i updated my firmware, it did this |
20:49:38 | mhydronic | via itunes |
20:50:10 | mhydronic | oh nevermind |
20:50:20 | mhydronic | i have video files in that folder |
20:50:33 | mhydronic | bc of no video support in rockbox :( |
20:50:56 | SliMM | there is some video support in rockbox |
20:51:10 | mhydronic | not for ipod though right? |
20:51:18 | SliMM | but just wait until august, after google summer of coding |
20:51:42 | SliMM | ironically, it's just pretty bad for ipod video |
20:52:35 | mhydronic | so its better to use the apple side right? |
20:53:04 | SliMM | i haven't used the original firmware for abou a year |
20:53:10 | SliMM | about* |
20:54:14 | mhydronic | you have ipod? |
20:54:37 | SliMM | yes |
20:55:07 | SliMM | but i only use it on my way to school |
20:55:20 | SliMM | so no need of good video support :) |
20:55:42 | mhydronic | yeah.. i only use it for long drives at night |
20:56:04 | mhydronic | ive had trouble encoding video (sync, AR issues) so i dont have much video on it |
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20:57:41 | SliMM | for the original firmware, videora ipod convertor doeas a great job |
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21:00:23 | mhydronic | yeah thats what i used.. and still had sync issues |
21:01:38 | SliMM | gtg, good night |
21:01:44 | mhydronic | night |
21:01:47 | mhydronic | thanks |
21:01:55 | SliMM | i think "bye" is better |
21:02:01 | SliMM | no problem ;) |
21:02:03 | mhydronic | yeah.. i didnt know your location |
21:02:29 | SliMM | eastern europe :P (GMT+2) |
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21:12:52 | GrooveStix | hey folks, is anyone alive? |
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21:14:30 | GrooveStix | I think I figured out why my GigaBeat's battery has been dying so quickly |
21:15:04 | perl|work | why? |
21:16:29 | GrooveStix | because the screen doesn't turn off |
21:16:36 | GrooveStix | it's always on |
21:16:43 | GrooveStix | dimmed but on |
21:17:17 | GrooveStix | I actually checked if GigaBeat's original firmware does this and it doesn't |
21:17:34 | GrooveStix | so is there a way to turn of the screen completely while on? |
21:17:40 | GrooveStix | *off |
21:19:16 | perl|work | yes there is |
21:19:28 | perl|work | system / debug / lcd power off |
21:19:29 | perl|work | but |
21:19:44 | perl|work | but its always on for everybody else |
21:19:55 | GrooveStix | hmmm |
21:19:56 | perl|work | and the average gigabeat battery life is around 15 hours |
21:20:13 | GrooveStix | I'll try and I'll get back to you |
21:20:25 | GrooveStix | maybe I should register for Flyspray |
21:20:42 | perl|work | that option may cause some problems btw |
21:20:52 | perl|work | thats why its in debug |
21:21:09 | perl|work | so the default is lcd is always powered on |
21:21:41 | GrooveStix | okay |
21:21:48 | GrooveStix | also |
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21:21:57 | GrooveStix | I wanted to save my settings |
21:22:04 | GrooveStix | and I did it |
21:22:23 | GrooveStix | although the filename I assigned is "config01.cfgAA " |
21:22:28 | GrooveStix | note the empty space |
21:23:05 | perl|work | why there's an empty space after .cfg? |
21:23:30 | perl|work | you should've named it something like "user.cfg" |
21:23:35 | perl|work | or "my.cfg" |
21:23:53 | GrooveStix | I think that I couldn't figure out how to say "OK" on the default name |
21:24:18 | GrooveStix | and I tried to click around thinking that it won't matter |
21:24:42 | GrooveStix | now I am unable to to open/move/copy the file |
21:25:32 | GrooveStix | when I try to delete it an error message pops up saying "Cannot delete file: Cannot read from the source file or disk" |
21:25:46 | GrooveStix | (I am using the latest WinXp) |
21:25:56 | GrooveStix | (erm. Home edition) |
21:26:32 | perl|work | are you trying to delete it while connected through usb and browsing gigabeat like a disk drive? |
21:26:56 | GrooveStix | yes |
21:28:34 | perl|work | perform error-checking on the gigabeat drive |
21:28:47 | perl|work | (aka scandsk) |
21:29:56 | pixelma | Nico_P: why did only the bin size of swcodec targets grow with the last but one subline commit - not that I'm keen on having bytes added but if it means that something isn't working correctly with(out) this... |
21:30:04 | GrooveStix | hmm, I should have tried that... |
21:31:18 | Nico_P | pixelma: I have no idea |
21:31:34 | Nico_P | I'll test on a sim to check it works as it should |
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21:33:10 | Nico_P | pixelma: could the compression have something to do with it ? |
21:33:42 | pixelma | no - only the recorder (v1 and the 8MB mod) are compressed |
21:33:50 | Nico_P | ok |
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21:34:29 | pixelma | safetydans commit shows it |
21:35:36 | GrooveStix | pixelma: I tried running ScanDisk. It finished successfully although the file is still unreachable |
21:36:28 | pixelma | I guess you mean perl|work but... did you try to rename the file so that it only as a .cfg extension? |
21:36:52 | GrooveStix | ooops, sorry |
21:36:59 | GrooveStix | yes I did try |
21:37:09 | GrooveStix | It spits an error message |
21:37:11 | GrooveStix | want it? |
21:37:23 | pixelma | no |
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21:37:48 | GrooveStix | ok |
21:37:56 | pixelma | you could also try to rename it in rockbox.. tried that? |
21:38:16 | GrooveStix | no, I didn't know I can do that |
21:38:32 | GrooveStix | I shall try! |
21:40:26 | pixelma | I don't have a gigabeat so I don't know the buttons you have to press... but basically you have to get to the file context menu (manual says "long select") then there's an entry "rename" |
21:41:10 | pixelma | then you can use the virtual keyboard to enter the new name as descrobed here: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-320004.1.3 |
21:41:16 | pixelma | *described |
21:44:27 | GrooveStix | what's backspace!? |
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21:47:29 | GrooveStix | actually wait! |
21:47:37 | GrooveStix | I was trying to edit the default on |
21:47:39 | GrooveStix | e |
21:48:03 | GrooveStix | I can't even see "config01.cfgAA " |
21:48:19 | pixelma | hmm... no idea then |
21:49:09 | pixelma | did you set "show files" to "all"? |
21:49:26 | GrooveStix | no, let me see |
21:49:40 | perl|work | GrooveStix while in text editor mode, you can move the cursor by holding POWER and pressing left/right on the cross |
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21:49:48 | perl|work | dont hold it too long obviously |
21:50:09 | GrooveStix | nevermind that |
21:50:17 | GrooveStix | I was trying to edit the wrong file |
21:50:26 | GrooveStix | I can't see the problematic one |
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21:51:27 | GrooveStix | just a second |
21:52:40 | GrooveStix | ha! no need for renaming! I deleted it. Awesome! |
21:53:02 | GrooveStix | it saved me some trouble (formating) |
21:53:31 | petur | GrooveStix: I just tried saving with the same name you used (including trailing space) and had no problem opening/renaming/deleting |
21:53:43 | GrooveStix | hmm |
21:53:53 | petur | is this recent firmware? |
21:53:57 | GrooveStix | yes |
21:54:07 | GrooveStix | as a disk drive in windows? |
21:54:37 | petur | no, in rockbox |
21:55:18 | GrooveStix | well yeah |
21:55:31 | GrooveStix | It worked in rockbox for me too |
21:55:41 | GrooveStix | maybe Windows is the problem here |
21:56:06 | GrooveStix | (is that too much of a easy target nowadays?) |
21:56:11 | GrooveStix | *an |
21:56:16 | petur | let me try again |
21:56:46 | GrooveStix | ok |
21:57:11 | petur | hahahaha |
21:57:17 | petur | stupid windows |
21:57:23 | bluebrother | another flaw in windows explorer? |
21:57:28 | petur | yep |
21:57:39 | * | petur tries commandline |
21:58:24 | petur | rockbox wrote the klong and short filename correctly |
21:58:57 | GrooveStix | yes, why am I not surprised...? |
21:58:58 | petur | windows seems to strip the trailing space of the name before passing on :) |
21:59:39 | petur | deleting using its shortname is ok |
21:59:59 | bluebrother | don't know about long filenames, but for short filenames everything is padded using spaces to 8.3 characters. |
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22:00:13 | petur | lowlevel, yes |
22:00:14 | bluebrother | wouldn't be surprised if this stripping happens on long filenames too. |
22:00:30 | petur | nah, they shouldn't do that |
22:00:48 | bluebrother | they shouldn't do quite a couple of other things ;-) |
22:00:54 | petur | unless 'their' standard says trailing spaces are not ok |
22:01:21 | bluebrother | I worked with FAT16 a while ago, but I haven't bothered with vfat. |
22:01:37 | bluebrother | so I don't know. Still, it wouldn't surprise me (: |
22:01:58 | * | petur did quite some fat12/16 coding recently, but no long filename |
22:02:10 | bluebrother | windows also fails if a file entry has a wrong timestamp ... |
22:02:21 | bluebrother | which is quite annoying |
22:02:47 | bluebrother | especially when coding on linux as the vfat driver of linux tolerates much more |
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22:03:18 | petur | hmmmm check out http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms810456.aspx (search for trailing) :) |
22:03:40 | petur | "You can now have a filename such as "This has lots of spaces ", which includes many spaces and a trailing space character." |
22:03:53 | ender` | there used to be a nice bug in rockbox fat code that could make windows BSOD :) |
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22:04:40 | petur | if you make a filename with trailing spaces in windows explorer, they just get stripped |
22:05:23 | bluebrother | explorer knows when you make mistakes, even if you don't *g* |
22:05:28 | petur | try renaming "test.txt" to "test.txt " and you get an error that source and destination filenames are the same |
22:05:37 | ender` | try making a filename that starts with a . in exploder |
22:05:46 | * | petur knows |
22:05:50 | * | bluebrother too |
22:06:11 | bluebrother | the funny thing is that windows can cope with that files without any problems. |
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22:06:28 | ender` | anyway, rockbox used to create files which had different long names but identical short names, and trying to access these files from windows caused a BSOD :) |
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22:07:12 | petur | wasn't it me who found/fixed that one |
22:08:14 | bluebrother | isn't this long name / short name thing broken by concept anyway? |
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22:10:03 | GrooveStix | before I forget |
22:10:06 | ender` | i don't know if it was known before i reported it |
22:10:26 | GrooveStix | why aren't the "debug" options saved with each restart |
22:10:41 | bluebrother | because it's debug stuff? |
22:10:52 | GrooveStix | I mean, I change the LCD thing, restart and it's back to the default option |
22:10:59 | ender` | (i encountered the problem while making screenshots and getting windows to BSOD a few times when looking at them) |
22:11:10 | bluebrother | it's titled "keep out" for a reason ;-) |
22:11:15 | GrooveStix | :) |
22:11:17 | GrooveStix | nice |
22:11:40 | bluebrother | saving debug options will only cause pain by people forgetting about them |
22:11:48 | perl|work | GrooveStix dont play with those settings |
22:12:09 | GrooveStix | I don't, I just wanted to turn off the backlight |
22:12:12 | bluebrother | unless you know what you are doing ;-) |
22:12:16 | perl|work | everything suppose to work with those left alone |
22:12:24 | GrooveStix | could I hurt the player? |
22:12:31 | perl|work | why do you need to turn it off? |
22:12:39 | perl|work | you wont save any battery life this way |
22:13:00 | petur | ender`: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6648 it was, I think... |
22:13:47 | ender` | oh, i only reported the problem in here - quite a long time ago |
22:14:12 | GrooveStix | well that's my only speculation why the battery life has almost halved... |
22:14:31 | ender` | on 22.11.2005 |
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22:15:15 | perl|work | GrooveStix your speculation is wrong |
22:16:23 | petur | ender`: yeah, it was an old bug ;) |
22:16:32 | GrooveStix | hmm. ok |
22:16:40 | ender` | i wonder if windows still BSODs :) |
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22:17:15 | petur | nope, I fixed that bug, we now have a short filename generator that is more or less by the book |
22:17:44 | ender` | nah, i mean Windows, if i manually create such files |
22:18:11 | petur | well, such files are against the standard... |
22:18:25 | petur | you can't have two files with identical names |
22:18:30 | ender` | they are, but it shouldn't cause a system crash |
22:18:37 | perl|work | GrooveStix install the latest version of rockbox, make sure you're using the newest bootloader, clear the settings on boot (put HOLD switch to ON position while booting) and do a battery bench |
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22:19:03 | petur | ender`: true |
22:19:05 | ender` | put 2-3 such files on an USB key, plug it in somewhere *BOOM* |
22:19:25 | ender` | with an U3 drive, it could be even automated :) |
22:21:07 | GrooveStix | perl|work: putting the hold switch works temporary for me |
22:21:40 | GrooveStix | if I restart the player without the hold switch on it returns to the normal settings |
22:23:06 | GrooveStix | (I meant: if I restart the player without the hold switch off.....) |
22:23:09 | GrooveStix | sorry |
22:25:36 | GrooveStix | hmmm.. I am an idiot |
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22:25:57 | | Nick Blonde is now known as Blonde69 (n=chatzill@adsl-68-79-94-99.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) |
22:26:12 | Blonde69 | :) |
22:26:13 | * | petur starts editing GoldenQuotes page |
22:26:28 | Blonde69 | haha, nice |
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22:29:20 | Blonde69 | (Erm. herself) |
22:29:29 | petur | hahaha |
22:30:36 | Blonde69 | alright, before I say something else stupid |
22:31:12 | Blonde69 | perl|work was saying that I should benchmark the player without changing any themes/options |
22:31:16 | Blonde69 | right? |
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22:33:23 | * | petur knows nothing about battery benchmarking except using a big enough playlist |
22:34:06 | Blonde69 | oh that's cold |
22:34:18 | Blonde69 | is that how you treat a lady? |
22:37:05 | bluebrother | use a playlist that is longer than the buffer and enable repeat. |
22:37:11 | TrueJournals | This is way too weird... |
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22:37:29 | petur | no, this is friday night |
22:43:26 | Blonde69 | :) |
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22:43:36 | Blonde69 | Than brotha! |
22:43:40 | Blonde69 | *Thanks |
22:43:54 | Blonde69 | I just broke my nail! |
22:44:00 | Blonde69 | :))) |
22:44:12 | petur | it was a fake one anyway... |
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22:45:24 | Blonde69 | how dare you! |
22:45:24 | amiconn_ | petur: With the current playback system, the list doesn't even need to be larger than the buffer. This may change though |
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22:46:03 | petur | could well be... I once tried to look into the playback system but I gave up... |
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22:54:11 | TrueJournals | I need a little bit of help... how do I convert a bitmap to the format I need for a menu item? I know to use bmp2rb, but which option should I use? Also, should the bitmap be black on white? |
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22:58:08 | ]RowaN[ | i thought it was possible to enable the statusbar in the filetree/menu only? i.e. not on the wps. i cant seem to find this option though (sansa build). any ideas guys? |
22:58:29 | TrueJournals | Statusbar doesn't show up in the WPS for me... |
22:58:39 | TrueJournals | I didn't think it could... |
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22:59:17 | GrooveStix | thanks everyone, goodbye |
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22:59:40 | pixelma | depends on your .wps file - if it has a "%wd" in it to disable the statusbar or not |
22:59:57 | ]RowaN[ | great, thanks |
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23:00:55 | pixelma | see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Status_Bar |
23:01:00 | bluebrother | ]RowaN[: you can enable / disable the statusbar globally, but the wps can override it |
23:01:15 | bluebrother | but only the wps −− i.e. if you enable the status bar you will have it in all other screens |
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23:08:32 | ]RowaN[ | hmm, in todays build, the "paused" message in my wps no longer dissapears after i unpause |
23:10:53 | ]RowaN[ | the relevent line in my wps is this: |
23:10:54 | ]RowaN[ | %t0.1%ac%?mp<||(( paused ))|%>%> fASt fORWARDiNG %>%>| REWiND sELeKtA ! >;%t0.1%ac%?mp<|| paused | fASt fORWARDiNG |%<%< REWiND sELeKtA ! %<%<> |
23:11:36 | pixelma | today there were a few commits that could have an influence on how your wps is drawn - could you try the latest svn and report back (I don't know exactly what your "today's" version is) |
23:11:57 | ]RowaN[ | ok let me try |
23:15:44 | ]RowaN[ | the problem persists |
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23:22:01 | pixelma | hmm... I know that there especially were changes regarding sublines, the goal was to get the old behaviour back but the dev who did all this isn't around ATM, so maybe you could file a bug report (but maybe he also reads the logs and will notice) |
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23:33:59 | pixelma | for the logs... Nico_P: just tried a simple wps (using roolku's first example line with the %ic) and it works fine on my Ondio. |
23:34:47 | ]RowaN[ | i have created a bug report www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6987 |
23:43:46 | ]RowaN[ | how do i edit my report? the page says i have permission, but i cant see a button anywhere to edit |
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23:51:53 | bluebrother | ]RowaN[: you can't edit tasks unless you are in the developer group IIRC. |
23:54:56 | vertic23 | wb bluebrother |
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23:57:53 | bluebrother | wb? |
23:58:02 | vertic23 | welcome back |
23:58:10 | vertic23 | in fachkreisen des internet relais chats |
23:58:21 | vertic23 | oder warst du schon vorher zurck -g- |
23:58:39 | vertic23 | ah, warst du - sorry ;P |