| 00:00:03 | datachild | i have the rockbox.ipod file in my ipod root, it's an old one tho.. should i replace that one with the new rockbox.ipod file that in my .rockbox dir? |
| 00:00:29 | bluebrother | what bootloader are you using? |
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| 00:00:51 | datachild | IPL |
| 00:00:56 | bluebrother | meep. |
| 00:01:17 | bluebrother | the Rockbox bootloader defaults to /.rockbox/rockbox.ipod first |
| 00:01:21 | bluebrother | IPL doesn't. |
| 00:01:27 | datachild | :/ |
| 00:01:32 | bluebrother | you have a couple of options: |
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| 00:01:42 | datachild | but i could just overwrite that file with the new one, right? |
| 00:01:49 | bluebrother | (1) move rockbox.ipod out of /.rockbox to the root. You need to do this on every update |
| 00:02:02 | bluebrother | (2) adjust the IPL loader to look at the right location |
| 00:02:04 | datachild | that's what i just did, gonna see if it works |
| 00:02:13 | bluebrother | (3) use the Rockbox bootloader to boot IPL :D |
| 00:03:21 | * | bluebrother uses (3) |
| 00:03:22 | * | Llorean wishes people would just use the official bootloader, or at least try it before reporting problems. |
| 00:03:24 | datachild | works |
| 00:03:27 | datachild | it works |
| 00:03:31 | Llorean | Or at the very least, tell us what unofficial mods they had up front |
| 00:03:32 | datachild | thanks alto! |
| 00:03:35 | * | bluebrother agrees with Llorean |
| 00:04:04 | bluebrother | how about telling people to use our bootloader to boot IPL? Works really fine here ;-) |
| 00:04:22 | Llorean | bluebrother: Have you tried clicking on linux.ipod and using RoLo to load it? |
| 00:04:27 | Llorean | Or is it linux.bin for you right now? |
| 00:04:46 | bluebrother | not yet. I manually installed the ipl root system and put linux.bin to the root |
| 00:04:54 | bluebrother | but I also created linux.ipod. |
| 00:04:57 | bluebrother | lemme try ... |
| 00:05:16 | Llorean | I've clicked linux.ipod and had it load fine, but since I don't have an iPL root system, it hangs eventually, of course |
| 00:05:49 | bluebrother | hmm. It crashed, but directly after reboot roloing worked. |
| 00:06:53 | Llorean | Well RoLo still has some work to go, though, but that's nice to see. |
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| 00:07:22 | bluebrother | tried again, I can reproduce it. Directly after startup roloing works |
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| 00:07:44 | bluebrother | if I started playback before roloing it crashes. |
| 00:08:13 | bluebrother | but holding play upon bootup works reliably. |
| 00:08:27 | Llorean | So, maybe coprocessor related. |
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| 00:09:14 | bluebrother | possibly |
| 00:09:27 | Llorean | Either way, it's on its way. |
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| 00:09:49 | Llorean | Being able to load Apple OS or Linux from within Rockbox completely negates the need for Loader2 :-P |
| 00:10:21 | bluebrother | hehe |
| 00:12:55 | bluebrother | flights to sweden got too expensive the last week. So no devcon for me :'-( |
| 00:14:18 | * | Llorean never had the money |
| 00:14:44 | * | petur wonders if preglow's coming and mentions the word 'beer' |
| 00:15:10 | * | bluebrother notices a hilight on "beer" |
| 00:15:20 | petur | what, you too? :p |
| 00:15:45 | bluebrother | hehe ... but maybe I should use a different color than green ;-) |
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| 00:16:06 | bluebrother | I was playing around with settings in irssi. |
| 00:16:44 | practisevoodoo | my iriver h320 has stopped loading its original firmware when the rec button is held down during startup |
| 00:16:53 | practisevoodoo | anyone had this problem? |
| 00:17:18 | petur | you mean it crashes or it always loads rockbox? |
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| 00:17:49 | practisevoodoo | always rockbox |
| 00:17:56 | bluebrother | does the rec button itself work? I.e. does the backlight come on when pressing it in Rockbox? |
| 00:18:16 | * | safetydan curses hardware eq... |
| 00:18:20 | safetydan | nothing but trouble that code |
| 00:18:45 | practisevoodoo | it works but when it is pressed during startup it wipes my rockbox settings |
| 00:19:04 | Llorean | safetydan: Is it a case of the settings being loaded before the hardware is inited or something, on boot? |
| 00:19:09 | bluebrother | that's intended. |
| 00:19:16 | Llorean | practisevoodoo: You're not holding it early enough from the sounds of it |
| 00:19:18 | stripwax | practisevoodoo - are you pressing it too late? |
| 00:19:33 | stripwax | ^ (what Llorean said) |
| 00:19:47 | safetydan | Llorean, yup. I've stared at the code and I can't see why it wouldn't work. Not having an iPod Video makes it a tad hard to test. |
| 00:19:51 | amiconn | Bagder: Still there? |
| 00:19:56 | practisevoodoo | hrm, well done stripwax |
| 00:20:25 | Llorean | safetydan: Yeah, damn device-specific hardware. |
| 00:20:47 | practisevoodoo | i've been using it for two years and never had this problem before and then all of a sudden i must have started doing it differently |
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| 00:24:59 | linuxstb | Llorean: I haven't looked at jhMikeS's commit yet, but I did look at an earlier patch. Basically, he's just cleaned everything up, and rewritten the a/v sync and frame display timing code to make everything smoother. |
| 00:26:10 | Llorean | linuxstb: It is very, very, very much smoother on my Gigabeat with my 29.97 files |
| 00:26:42 | markun | Llorean: I agree |
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| 00:27:27 | linuxstb | I think he left a little of my code there... |
| 00:30:07 | markun | linuxstb: do you plan to still work om mpegplayer? |
| 00:31:24 | linuxstb | Maybe, but jhMikeS seems to have taken an interest, which is fine by me. I only really worked on video because no-one else would... |
| 00:33:11 | safetydan | Hrmm... I think the audio related settings need to be applied from audio_init() |
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| 00:42:05 | pearldiver | yeah, the video playback is great on gigabeat as of now |
| 00:42:05 | Llorean | safetydan: To guarantee the right order of operations? |
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| 00:46:05 | Oinkers | Has anybody reported a problem with the latest build and mpegplayer on the H10 5G? |
| 00:46:58 | linuxstb | Oinkers: I don't think so. Are you? |
| 00:48:06 | Oinkers | linuxstb: Yes. The video and audio starts normally, then both fast forward. Finally, there is just video, no audio, and the unit is hung. |
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| 00:50:54 | Dengekitai | sup |
| 00:50:55 | pearldiver | Llorean wow, 29.97 playback is so smooth indeed |
| 00:51:07 | | Nick Dengekitai is now known as Forte (n=j@cpe-76-181-196-81.columbus.res.rr.com) |
| 00:51:15 | Forte | so what good games are there for rockbox |
| 00:52:43 | markun | Forte: doom, gameboy, tetris, bubbles, sudoky, ... |
| 00:52:56 | linuxstb | pacbox... |
| 00:52:57 | markun | sudoku even |
| 00:53:05 | pixelma | markun: not that tet... word ;) |
| 00:53:26 | markun | pixelma: :) |
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| 00:53:40 | Forte | how good is gameboy on the ipod video |
| 00:53:41 | Llorean | linuxstb: Does pacbox support Ms Pacman? |
| 00:53:47 | markun | no no, rockbloks of course, we promissed not to use the T word :) |
| 00:53:53 | Llorean | Forte: Honestly it's not great anywhere. |
| 00:54:05 | Llorean | It's not *bad* though, really, but you may want to stick to RPGs and turn-based games. |
| 00:54:10 | markun | Llorean: it's not too bad on the Gigabeat |
| 00:54:24 | Llorean | markun: Yeah, the main problem on the gigabeat is the audio issues it still has. :) |
| 00:54:26 | markun | well, maybe we lack some buttons |
| 00:54:30 | markun | ah yes |
| 00:54:32 | Llorean | Nah, buttons are fine. |
| 00:55:20 | pearldiver | also, the latest build seems "faster" somehow, i've been using one from a week ago, just updated with all the latest commits |
| 00:55:29 | pearldiver | very "smooth" browsing all around |
| 00:56:00 | pearldiver | going from one big folder to another, skipping, seeking, etc |
| 00:56:06 | pearldiver | very little disk access |
| 00:56:12 | pearldiver | maybe its just me though :) |
| 00:56:26 | linuxstb | Llorean: No. The hardware is very similar, and the original emulator I ported (PIE) supported Ms Pacman, but I could never get it to work... |
| 00:56:41 | Llorean | linuxstb: Ah. I was just curious. |
| 00:56:49 | petur | pearldiver: did you enable dircache? ;) |
| 00:56:55 | linuxstb | I tried, failed, and gave up... |
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| 00:57:18 | pearldiver | petur ive been using it since the early days :P |
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| 00:58:39 | H10_007quick | Does some1 know how to edit the plugin index? |
| 00:58:53 | H10_007quick | It is way to complex with all the symbols |
| 00:59:06 | pearldiver | btw, in the 400 tracks playlist, whats the best way to get to the track 200 for example, if you dont know the track title ? |
| 00:59:37 | linuxstb | H10_007quick: How do you want to edit it? It's mostly generated automatically from all the other plugin pages. |
| 00:59:44 | pearldiver | page scrolling im assumming? |
| 00:59:46 | Llorean | pearldiver: Page up/down, yes. |
| 00:59:48 | safetydan | Llorean, yeah I think the hardware eq can only be set up after audiohw_init() is called. Which means the eq settings need to be applied in audio_init(). The other sound settings are applied there already so it may actually be an improvement in code clarity. |
| 00:59:59 | Llorean | safetydan: Makes perfect sense for me. |
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| 01:00:04 | Llorean | safetydan: That is audio hardware, anyway |
| 01:00:29 | H10_007quick | Oh i see |
| 01:00:35 | safetydan | now I just have to wait 8 or so hours until I get home to a compiler to build a patch :) |
| 01:00:49 | TrueJournals | I'm a bit curious about the mpegplayer commit today... will it allow me to play to videos in a row on my H10? Does it improve the sound quality (get rid of fuzziness in the background)? |
| 01:01:16 | TrueJournals | *play to videos should have been play two videos |
| 01:01:18 | markun | TrueJournals: no and no |
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| 01:01:22 | Llorean | TrueJournals: If it fixed a crash, it would've said so. |
| 01:01:48 | Llorean | At least, if it was known to fix a crash. |
| 01:01:53 | TrueJournals | OK, just curious... |
| 01:01:57 | markun | TrueJournals: I never heard any fuzziness, what exactly are you talking about? |
| 01:02:03 | Llorean | TrueJournals: You CAN test you know |
| 01:02:06 | Llorean | markun: PortalPlayer issue |
| 01:02:13 | TrueJournals | Llorean: I'm lazy... |
| 01:02:15 | Llorean | markun: Specifically H10 and Sansa so far. |
| 01:02:46 | Llorean | TrueJournals: It's not like you're never going to update again, just check at next update. |
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| 01:15:32 | linuxstb | Llorean: Have you tried the latest mpegplayer on a portalplayer target? Pressing STOP now seems to reliably crash on my ipod... |
| 01:15:45 | Llorean | linuxstb: Lemme dig out my Nano |
| 01:18:45 | Llorean | Can jhmike's asm speedups be adapted to iPods from the Sansa? |
| 01:19:26 | Llorean | linuxstb: Holding Play/Pause freezes, choosing "Quit Mpegplayer" works excellently |
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| 01:19:26 | H10_007quick | linuxstb: by stop do you mean the botton to exit? |
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| 01:20:38 | H10_007quick | linuxstb: becaue on my H10 the botton to exit is the power button but there are no errors exiting, seems really good! |
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| 01:21:53 | Llorean | linuxstb: Now that was odd. Played a second file after "Quit" succeeded. Sound, no video. |
| 01:22:21 | linuxstb | Llorean: Exactly what I'm experiencing... |
| 01:23:10 | linuxstb | And yes, the asm can be adapted to the ipods, I've already started doing it for the video. Once that's working, I'll probably do it for the Nano and Color/Photo (they share an LCD driver). |
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| 01:24:16 | Llorean | Alright, Play/Pause causes it to lock up, "Quitting" causes the next one to play without video, consistently now. |
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| 02:06:54 | knapp | I'm trying to get this build to work: http://www.senab.co.uk/rockbox/default.asp I loaded it on there, but it seems like it doesn't find any media (songs). |
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| 02:24:46 | Llorean | knapp: When trying unsupported builds, you need to seek their providers when you have problems with them |
| 02:29:31 | knapp | ok |
| 02:29:35 | knapp | understood |
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| 02:29:48 | knapp | I figured it out on my own, forgot to update db |
| 02:29:51 | knapp | :) |
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| 02:51:47 | knapp | Does anyone know the battery capacity for a 30 gig ipod video? |
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| 03:14:31 | Jeanhub | Hi. |
| 03:15:00 | Jeanhub | Does anyone know where I could get mario for my iPod? |
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| 03:16:45 | Jeanhub | Well? |
| 03:17:05 | Llorean | Jeanhub: You can't, legally |
| 03:17:09 | Llorean | ANd you shouldn't be asking in here. |
| 03:17:47 | Llorean | In the future you might want to try reading channel guidelines before speaking. |
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| 03:27:53 | Jeanhub | Sorry Llorean |
| 03:28:06 | Jeanhub | I readed them BUT I guess I didn't see that part. |
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| 03:53:09 | scottder | Hey all, I haven't updated my nano in a few months...is there a reason why rockbox.ipod is in the .rockbox folder? |
| 03:53:29 | Llorean | Because we like it there better? |
| 03:53:42 | Ben | Has anyone reported a bug with MPEG Player on Sansa Targets? |
| 03:53:57 | Llorean | Ben: People have reported many bugs, you'll have to be more specific. |
| 03:54:11 | Ben | The video played perfectly...one time. |
| 03:54:11 | Llorean | For example, someone just filed one reporting that mpegplayer plays only one file properly, the second one doesn't work. |
| 03:54:23 | Ben | yeah thats the one i just did, i came here to see if there was any info |
| 03:54:25 | Llorean | They filed if for Sansa, but it's actually a known issue (documented on the mpegplayer wiki page) |
| 03:54:37 | Llorean | What kind of info would you be looking for? |
| 03:54:39 | Ben | oh really, sorry. that would be my fault. |
| 03:55:56 | Ben | i don't see any info about it on the wiki page? |
| 03:56:16 | Llorean | "sometimes mpegplayer doesn't stop the video when requested, and may not successfully start playback of a subsequent video." |
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| 03:56:55 | Llorean | On some players this manifests as mpegplayer refusing to allow you to exit, on others only the audio plays when you start the next video (or nothing at all) |
| 03:57:39 | Ben | oh, i was incorrectly assuming that that implied that a restart fixed the problem. not a permanent type of thing. |
| 03:58:07 | Llorean | When you restart, you should get one video again, per restart. |
| 03:59:05 | Ben | this is not so on my player. i even reinstalled rockbox, still no video, which makes me mad because it was running beautifully |
| 03:59:39 | Llorean | Give me 5 minutes, I'll test with my Sansa |
| 03:59:57 | Ben | oh its not rush or problem, i just wanted to let you guys know. |
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| 04:00:09 | Llorean | Well, what you're describing should be impossible. |
| 04:00:23 | Llorean | Nothing that could prevent it from running is or should be capable of being preserved across boots |
| 04:00:49 | Ben | thats what i figured. |
| 04:01:07 | Ben | could it have corrupted files? |
| 04:01:32 | ttyS1 | I'm tryin to install rockbox on a sansa e280r. where should I put the pp5022.mi4 file after I encrypt it ? |
| 04:01:34 | Llorean | Do you mean "could my player have corrupted files on it" or do you mean "could mpegplayer have corrupted files"? |
| 04:01:41 | Llorean | ttyS1: It doesn't work on the e200R |
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| 04:02:15 | Ben | i meant could mpeg player have corruped that file by running it? |
| 04:03:35 | Llorean | Not realistically, no\ |
| 04:03:52 | ttyS1 | Llorean: i was reading a post on the forum where some one got it working: forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3225.645 |
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| 04:04:29 | Ben | ill attempt to reload some of the videos on the player. see if that fixes anything. |
| 04:04:39 | Llorean | ttyS1: Where in there does it say it works? |
| 04:05:24 | Llorean | Ben: I'm seeing the behaviour you describe. |
| 04:05:25 | Llorean | It's odd |
| 04:05:47 | Ben | Yeah |
| 04:06:10 | Ben | i thought maybe something was up where i ran out of buffering space? i had very little memory left on the player |
| 04:06:21 | Llorean | Though I'm also concerned that the one time it did work, it reported 0fps |
| 04:07:06 | ttyS1 | Llorean: forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3225.msg69262#msg69262 |
| 04:07:38 | Llorean | ttyS1: Again, that doesn't say that it works. |
| 04:07:43 | Llorean | It just says that we can decrypt and encrypt them |
| 04:08:07 | ttyS1 | oh ok, I thought that was the whole issue |
| 04:08:21 | Llorean | If you read the actual e200R thread, you'll see the real status |
| 04:08:35 | Llorean | It's pretty clear from the majority of information on our site that it doesn't work |
| 04:08:45 | Ben | Llorean: Ok i added a new video to my player. it plays that one. |
| 04:09:03 | Ben | FPS is displaying properly |
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| 04:09:29 | Ben | howver, video is playing in weird fast-forward mode. |
| 04:10:26 | Ben | ok tried to play one of the old videos bring up text "Freeze" at the bottom of the screen. |
| 04:10:38 | Llorean | It says "Freeze" |
| 04:10:43 | Ben | yeah |
| 04:10:45 | Llorean | That's unlikely, it doesn't contain that string. |
| 04:10:51 | Ben | yeah i wish i was lying. |
| 04:11:08 | Ben | FREEZE! in all caps |
| 04:11:14 | Ben | bottom left corner |
| 04:12:29 | Ben | one video played fine after that, then another black screen. |
| 04:13:01 | Llorean | I suspect that it's just a case of "videos may or may not play" and the first one did by chance. |
| 04:13:36 | Llorean | Unfortunately the people to talk to about it aren't really around |
| 04:14:06 | Ben | ok, i was just trying to bring up my problem to the community. trying to assist in any way i could. |
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| 04:33:16 | Noah0504 | Does Rockbox rank disc number about track number yet? |
| 04:33:35 | Noah0504 | Opps, I mean above. |
| 04:34:50 | Llorean | Why do you actually *need* disk numbers? |
| 04:35:07 | Llorean | And I don't think anyone's submitted a patch. |
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| 04:44:54 | pearldiver | is there a way to display 2 languages on-screen keyboard? or a solution can be, if another language needed, just loading a different .kbd file? |
| 04:50:11 | Noah0504 | Llorean: Because I like to keep albums with multiple discs under the same album name. I don't like to label an album Example (Disc 1) and Example (Disc 2). |
| 04:50:29 | Llorean | That's why you *want* it. |
| 04:51:06 | Noah0504 | haha, Yep. |
| 04:51:08 | Llorean | I imagine if someone comes up with a good patch for it, there's no real reason not to have it though. |
| 04:51:34 | Llorean | But there's many ways around the lack of it. |
| 04:51:46 | Llorean | You can also number tracks 101-1XX for disc 1, and 202-2XX for disc 2 |
| 04:51:47 | Noah0504 | Well, I remember seeing some requests for it quite awhile ago, but I didn't know if it had ever been patched or implemented. |
| 04:51:57 | Llorean | The changelog does exist... |
| 04:52:19 | Noah0504 | hehe, But it's been so long, I wouldn't know when to look. |
| 04:52:39 | Llorean | Search it for "disc number" or "disc" or "number"... |
| 04:52:48 | Noah0504 | Ahh, good call. |
| 04:53:01 | Llorean | It's a lot less fallible than asking in here where you've only got people who may not even have an interest in the feature (I think it's pointless) and don't use it. |
| 04:53:15 | Noah0504 | haha |
| 04:54:01 | Noah0504 | If I could program worth a heck, I'd try to fix it, if only for myself, but... |
| 04:54:07 | Noah0504 | ...I can't program worth a heck. |
| 04:54:08 | Noah0504 | haha |
| 04:59:37 | Overand | hey - how *is* the last.fm support? |
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| 06:25:08 | midkay | JdGordon: around? |
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| 06:43:42 | JdGordon | midkay: am now |
| 06:44:04 | midkay | JdGordon: i have some or most of the icons in BMP format.. it'd be no problem to create any that are missing. did you want them? |
| 06:44:37 | JdGordon | na its ok now.. i got an easy way to get them all in one hit |
| 06:45:25 | midkay | oh, cool, alright. can i ask what you wanted them for? anything to do with bmp2rb in the build system? :) |
| 06:45:28 | JdGordon | ... but if your bored... maybe you would like to create a new icon set for 16bit targets of say size 8x8 (or maybe a bit larger) in full colour for each of the 6x8 icons? |
| 06:46:22 | midkay | that sounds fun... maybe i'll try my hand at a few now. |
| 06:47:40 | JdGordon | no rush, id like to say it will be ready by monday.. but who knows :p |
| 06:48:26 | midkay | JdGordon: that's cool. sounds like a fun get-my-mind-off-life project. :) what're you up to? |
| 06:48:44 | JdGordon | what we need is a single bmp with every icon from the 6x8 enum in recorder/icons.h layed out horizontrally with no space between them |
| 06:48:50 | JdGordon | themable icon sets |
| 06:49:04 | midkay | sweetness.. hmm though.. |
| 06:49:40 | midkay | 6x8 translates to 6x7 of actual possible pixels, really.. the blank line at the bottom. what're you gonna do about that? |
| 06:52:42 | JdGordon | the code will paint whatever size icon gets loaded... the user will be able to load any size from 4x4 to 24x24 (and anything between.. e.g 4x16!) |
| 06:53:04 | JdGordon | oh, but you want a gap between icons... should be possible |
| 06:53:20 | midkay | JdGordon: sounds excellent, just what we need. :) |
| 06:53:25 | JdGordon | im going to center the icons horiz and vertically in the size of a char where is should go |
| 06:53:36 | JdGordon | so even 4x4 icons will be fine with a hige font |
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| 06:54:01 | midkay | i'm just saying, we currently have space at the bottom of each icon. and do you intend to retain that in the new system, or insert space between icons in the code, or what? |
| 06:55:01 | midkay | without that space, they'll meet up and it looks pretty ugly.. i guess the easiest way is just to require the icon maker to do it himself (at least a pixel space at the bottom of each..). |
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| 07:03:34 | JdGordon | midkay: I think its best to leave it to the icon author... because it will heavily depend on the font size how much space is between each icon |
| 07:04:05 | midkay | JdGordon: right, sounds appropriate. so the size will be defined in the theme CFG file or something? |
| 07:04:55 | JdGordon | the user will be able to choose a maximum width and hieght to load (to create a buffer), the actual size will be determined from the dimenaions of the bmp |
| 07:05:47 | midkay | like bmpwidth = icon width, and bmpheight/num_icons = icon height? |
| 07:06:27 | JdGordon | exactly, but was thinking it would be a horizontal strip, not verticle... |
| 07:06:33 | JdGordon | which is easier to draw in though? |
| 07:07:28 | midkay | ah, whenever i see bitmap_part images, they're always vertical.. so i just assumed. perhaps for the sake of making it easy to leave a space at the bottom of each icon it'd be best done horizontally. |
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| 07:09:18 | JdGordon | i thought horizontal because you would be able to see more at once in your drawing program... |
| 07:09:40 | JdGordon | that part isnt actually coded yet, so ill leave that choice up to whoever has the loudest voice :p |
| 07:10:24 | midkay | JdGordon: ah, true also i guess.. horizontal is probably best then. |
| 07:11:21 | JdGordon | one thing we havnt figured out is how to do the loadable icons yet (viewers.config) |
| 07:11:30 | JdGordon | any immediate thoughts? |
| 07:11:59 | JdGordon | obviously the text version will be replaced... |
| 07:12:54 | midkay | ah... that is a slight problem :) |
| 07:14:48 | JdGordon | the two options we have come up with is a viewers.bmp image with all the icons, and in viewers.config an index number would be used so the right icon is used, or a seperate image for each extension (which would suck) |
| 07:15:38 | midkay | viewers.bmp sounds better.. but hmm.. blah. i guess that's about as good as it gets. |
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| 07:20:02 | ptw419 | for anyone who cares I am posting the extracted eboot.bin and recovery.bin, as well as a firmware recovery batch proggie to the Gigabeat S wiki |
| 07:22:29 | moos | hello |
| 07:22:39 | moos | ptw419: link please? |
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| 07:23:33 | amiconn | JdGordon: You can't really say whether a horizontal or vertical strip is easier to draw. A vertical strip keeps the pixels of one icon closer together in memory, that's about the only thing for 16 bit targets. For 1 bit and 2 bit targets, draw speed depends on relative alignment of bitmap and framebuffer |
| 07:24:38 | JdGordon | ah, didnt think about that... so which is better from a code point of view? seen as all icons will be loaded into a single chunk of ram? |
| 07:24:51 | amiconn | So just go with the strip type you think is easier to handle for the author. A horizontal strip is the more natural orientation imho, while a vertical strip allows previewing the icons with text to the right without prior rearrangement |
| 07:25:27 | JdGordon | so bassically.. flip a coin? :p |
| 07:25:54 | ptw419 | one moment |
| 07:25:56 | ptw419 | doing it right now |
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| 07:27:42 | JdGordon | amiconn: oh, yesterday you said viewers.config was setup during the build... isnt it static and used by the build to put the right plugins in the right place? I dont think its all that bad if we put an icon for every line in that file in the default iconset, if one target really has very few plugins we can give that a seperate viewers.bmp file |
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| 07:31:34 | amiconn | It's actually both. buildzip.pl uses it to put viewer in the right place, and buildzip.pl cuts lines not applicable to the respecive target when creating the version which is put in the .zip |
| 07:32:02 | JdGordon | oh, bloody hell :p |
| 07:33:09 | ptw419 | uploading last file |
| 07:33:32 | joshk | has anyone tried messing with the coby mp-c951? |
| 07:36:28 | amiconn | JdGordon: Yeah, it's a bit complicated. Check buldzip.pl lines 213..262 |
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| 07:37:14 | * | JdGordon hates perl |
| 07:38:30 | amiconn | bitmpa? |
| 07:38:36 | amiconn | ;) |
| 07:39:11 | JdGordon | bah, in the commit message of the actual diff? |
| 07:39:26 | JdGordon | that wrong comment has bugged me for so long.. |
| 07:39:34 | amiconn | bmp.h |
| 07:39:51 | JdGordon | doh |
| 07:40:10 | JdGordon | bitmpa... its a modified version of the mpa codec :p |
| 07:40:16 | midkay | hahaha. |
| 07:40:46 | JdGordon | fixed |
| 07:41:41 | pearldiver | so |
| 07:42:09 | pearldiver | on the screen keyboard in something different then english is not yet possible im assumming |
| 07:42:22 | pearldiver | -the |
| 07:42:27 | ptw419 | updated |
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| 07:43:20 | JdGordon | pearldiver: yeah, ascii only at the moment.. if it could use the user font it would be able to do full unicode |
| 07:43:51 | pearldiver | what is a "user font" ? |
| 07:44:34 | pearldiver | native unicode one? |
| 07:44:43 | JdGordon | the font that you choose, any of the custom ones |
| 07:44:51 | pearldiver | ah i see |
| 07:45:23 | * | pearldiver just discovered the wonderful world of the dictionary plugin |
| 07:45:49 | pearldiver | so some cross language translation would be great |
| 07:48:14 | amiconn | The vkeyboard supports loadable keymaps, and the system font supports full iso8859-1. So it's a bit more than just ascii |
| 07:48:38 | pearldiver | aha |
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| 07:51:33 | JdGordon | amiconn: is there a way to get the pointer to start of the bmp at the x offset? so i can return a ICON? |
| 07:51:44 | amiconn | Hmm, and with a loadable keymap, the vkeyboard uses the ui font, so you can input unicode if you want |
| 07:52:19 | amiconn | JdGordon: No, because that's not possible |
| 07:52:43 | * | JdGordon didnt tihnk so |
| 07:52:51 | amiconn | Depending on the pixel packing, a sub bitmap is not just a different byte start position ine the whole bitmap |
| 07:52:56 | JdGordon | ok, so minor change of plans |
| 07:53:10 | pearldiver | amiconn what would be the steps to do so? |
| 07:53:44 | amiconn | you can't, unless you want to shuffle bits around all the time |
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| 07:55:17 | amiconn | Just have a gui function that actually draws the icon, and pass screen position and icon index number to it |
| 07:59:07 | amiconn | There are several other things to solve for themable icons: 1) where to put the icons for file formats supported by the core, and those for the menu. 2) the second set of icons for targets with an lcd remote |
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| 08:00:10 | amiconn | Right now icons are mono bitmaps and hence the same internal format for all bitmap targets, but with native bitmaps this will change |
| 08:00:42 | combrains | hi all - I thought I would ask here before putting a featur request in FS |
| 08:01:14 | combrains | would it be possible to make a visual represntation of the graphic eq |
| 08:01:37 | * | amiconn points towards preglow |
| 08:01:38 | combrains | i.e add a graph to the qraphic EQ page or somthing? |
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| 08:02:16 | combrains | I would make the eq far easier to use |
| 08:02:25 | JdGordon | amiconn: supported formats: in a seperate .bmp and hard code an index... its the same problem as viewers.config... |
| 08:03:13 | combrains | I have to go but if someone could throw the idea around and/or put it in FS then that would be neat |
| 08:03:15 | combrains | cheers |
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| 08:06:09 | JdGordon | amiconn: whats the stride parameter for lcd_bitmap_part? |
| 08:07:07 | midkay | The stride parameter is the width of the source bitmap in pixels. |
| 08:07:29 | JdGordon | alrighty |
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| 08:18:21 | amiconn | The distinction between lcd_bitmap[_part], lcd_transparent_bitmap[_part] and lcd_mono_bitmap_[part] will (hopefully) be gone soon, as will the need to specify stride explicitly |
| 08:18:33 | amiconn | Bagder: there? |
| 08:20:19 | JdGordon | hmm, the supported extenstions in tree.c are referenced by their Icon_ enum value, so they shouldnt cause any problems |
| 08:22:41 | JdGordon | we have 32 customsable inbuilt icons.... |
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| 08:27:38 | LinusN | hi |
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| 08:54:32 | JdGordon | it works! |
| 08:55:17 | JdGordon | well... almost |
| 08:57:52 | JdGordon | bloody remote doesnt have transparent_bitmap_part()? :'( |
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| 08:59:31 | JdGordon | hmm... it doesnt get set which I tihnk is a bit odd... |
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| 09:02:08 | JdGordon | wooot! this works |
| 09:02:59 | amiconn | transparent bitmaps are only implemented for 16 bit lcds atm |
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| 09:04:56 | JdGordon | OK, so the lcd remote is going to cause problems :( might need to have 2 buffers then |
| 09:05:10 | JdGordon | or change sims while im debugging :p |
| 09:05:15 | amiconn | You will need 2 buffers anyway |
| 09:05:27 | amiconn | The pixel format of main & remote lcd are different |
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| 09:05:36 | JdGordon | ok |
| 09:06:31 | crop | He-he. On http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g, the comment abouth changing time tags states exactly the ooposite to what must be done :-) |
| 09:06:55 | JdGordon | probably because that was changed last night? |
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| 09:07:43 | crop | JdGordon: I doubt. I mean the comment by Gary Light, 10 Apr 2007 |
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| 09:09:42 | LinusN | ah, yes :-) |
| 09:10:29 | LinusN | crop: no, it is perfectly correct |
| 09:11:50 | LinusN | crop: he has updated the wps, and he described how to make it compatible with older builds |
| 09:12:06 | crop | LinusN: it says "...or change the line that says %ac%ck:%cM to this %ac%c k:Mc" It should be the other way round IMO |
| 09:12:21 | LinusN | crop: read what i just wrote |
| 09:13:53 | crop | LinusN: ah, now I see! The comment tells how to adjust it for an older build. Shame on me! |
| 09:14:00 | LinusN | :-) |
| 09:14:46 | crop | LinusN: btw (I read this yesterday on irc): is every sim build necessarily also a DEBUG one? |
| 09:15:25 | LinusN | no, all sim builds are debug builds |
| 09:15:37 | * | LinusN can't read |
| 09:15:42 | LinusN | yes, they are debug builds |
| 09:16:10 | JdGordon | f5 in the sim for screeny right? |
| 09:16:46 | crop | iirc, for a sim build I just select S in ../tools/configure. But for a DEBUG build, I have to select (A)dvanced and then (S) and (D) |
| 09:17:05 | LinusN | crop: you don't select DEBUG for sim builds |
| 09:17:31 | LinusN | it is implied |
| 09:17:38 | LinusN | since the sim builds are for debugging |
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| 09:18:29 | crop | LinusN: hrm... I thought they were for simulation (e.g. testing a new WPS), not necessarily for debugging |
| 09:18:36 | LinusN | nope |
| 09:18:53 | LinusN | the sim was created purely for developing and debugging purposes |
| 09:19:10 | LinusN | but some people like to use it for developing WPS'es |
| 09:19:29 | crop | So the (A) mode can be used to create a non-debug sim? |
| 09:19:37 | LinusN | no |
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| 09:27:17 | JdGordon | amiconn: without a transparent bmp for <16bit these icons are going to look horrible, unless lcd_mono_part will skip the white pixels? |
| 09:28:13 | amiconn | lcd_mono_bitmap[_part] obeys the draw mode |
| 09:28:30 | amiconn | So if you use DRMODE_FG, it does what you want |
| 09:28:40 | JdGordon | ok cool |
| 09:29:11 | amiconn | But the bitmap drawing unification will bring transparent bitmaps for all bitmap targets |
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| 09:32:10 | SliMM | JdGordon: why don't you draw the image pixel by pixel and test if RGB_UNPACK_RED, RGB_UNPACK_GREEN and RGB_UNPACK_BLUE are equal to 255? |
| 09:32:57 | JdGordon | because thats slow, and not a job for the ui code... the lcd code should do that |
| 09:33:36 | SliMM | if that is slow, what is faster than that? |
| 09:34:13 | SliMM | for drawing a bitmap, you still have to scan all the pixels, no matter what |
| 09:35:03 | JdGordon | right, so that should be done by the lcd driver which has to do it anyway... not in the ui code |
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| 09:37:30 | SliMM | it should be, but because it isn't, you can do it in the ui code |
| 09:38:41 | JdGordon | display->mono_bitmap_part isnt playing nice |
| 09:39:05 | JdGordon | SliMM: No, i use the correct function and wait for proper tranparency in the targets without it |
| 09:39:32 | SliMM | ok :) |
| 09:40:12 | SliMM | when will semi-transparency be implemented on colour targets? |
| 09:40:43 | B4gder | semi? |
| 09:40:45 | JdGordon | soon hopefully :p |
| 09:40:59 | B4gder | there's guy who posted some screenshots in the forum |
| 09:41:24 | B4gder | he did transparancy-drawing functions and a plugin that used them |
| 09:41:26 | SliMM | i belive that that guy is me |
| 09:41:31 | B4gder | ah |
| 09:41:36 | B4gder | hehe |
| 09:41:41 | * | B4gder has full control |
| 09:42:44 | SliMM | but what should i do (after finishing the bitmap functions) for them being implemented in the plugin api? |
| 09:43:07 | B4gder | post them to the patch tracker and nag committers to commit it |
| 09:43:11 | SliMM | asm or however is needed for the best performance |
| 09:43:21 | SliMM | ok |
| 09:43:25 | B4gder | wait for jsMike ;-) |
| 09:43:35 | SliMM | jsMike? |
| 09:43:52 | pondlife | jhMikeS? |
| 09:44:03 | B4gder | gee, I need more coffee |
| 09:44:12 | pondlife | B4gder: We all do |
| 09:44:21 | SliMM | i don't |
| 09:44:23 | SliMM | :P |
| 09:45:40 | petur | bah, my subscription for the mentor mailing list is 'still pending' |
| 09:46:31 | linuxstb | SliMM: Do you have a link to your forum post? |
| 09:47:10 | SliMM | yes, but i haven't yet finished bitmap fcs |
| 09:47:41 | SliMM | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9491.0 |
| 09:50:37 | linuxstb | SliMM: I'm not sure if asm will help those functions that much - I think you should be dealing with the native pixel format (i.e. rgb565) directly, not converting back and forwards between that and rgb888. |
| 09:51:11 | SliMM | that is no problem, but it will only work on 16 bpp targets |
| 09:51:30 | linuxstb | We only have 16bpp targets... |
| 09:52:03 | SliMM | right.. :) i missunderstood |
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| 09:52:20 | tucoz | hello |
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| 09:52:48 | linuxstb | There are two different pixel packing formats for 16bpp LCDs though - "RGB565" and "RGB565_BYTESWAPPED". The second contains the high and low bytes in reverse order. |
| 09:52:50 | SliMM | now, i belive that ipod nano has a different colour layout |
| 09:53:05 | linuxstb | Yes, the Nano has the byte-swapped version. |
| 09:53:24 | SliMM | so red is blue and viceversa? |
| 09:53:28 | linuxstb | No. |
| 09:53:34 | SliMM | than? |
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| 09:53:41 | LinusN | SliMM: byteswapped |
| 09:54:03 | SliMM | doesn't ring any bells |
| 09:54:10 | LinusN | GGGBBBBB RRRRRGGG |
| 09:54:23 | SliMM | ah, better |
| 09:54:28 | LinusN | iirc |
| 09:54:45 | tucoz | linuxstb, did you see that guy who came in here the other day saying he had made the made the ipod lcd-driver much better? |
| 09:55:03 | LinusN | "better"? |
| 09:55:11 | tucoz | yes, as in faster |
| 09:55:17 | B4gder | new logo! ;-) |
| 09:55:20 | linuxstb | SliMM: But you don't need to worry about that. Either byte-swap the value before and after you process it, or use the macros in lcd.h to extract and combine the separate values. |
| 09:55:20 | tucoz | hehe |
| 09:55:32 | LinusN | B4gder: yes, and rewritten in c++ |
| 09:55:34 | linuxstb | Which ipod? |
| 09:55:41 | linuxstb | And no, I didn't see that. |
| 09:55:46 | tucoz | i am not sure. i'll try to find the log |
| 09:55:58 | SliMM | linuxstb: ok :) |
| 09:56:12 | tucoz | he was coding a demo, and wanted to get mp3-playback working from a plugin |
| 09:56:28 | SliMM | now.. i think i'll be off for a while |
| 09:56:39 | linuxstb | SliMM: These kind of functions probably won't benefit from asm too much, the trick is to write them in C with the very minimum number of operations you can. |
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| 09:56:53 | SliMM | i can do that |
| 09:57:03 | SliMM | or at least try |
| 09:57:33 | JdGordon | is gcc smart enough to not really create an array if it is delecred int array[1] ? |
| 09:57:41 | linuxstb | You may also want to add them as part of the plugin lib - see all the xlcd_* files in apps/plugins/lib/ - "xlcd" is the convention for prefixing plugin LCD functions which are not part of core rockbox. |
| 09:57:45 | B4gder | SliMM: and when you post your patch, i'm sure others can join up and help improving it |
| 09:57:55 | SliMM | but for that, the semi-transparent bitmaps should have a black background |
| 09:58:06 | SliMM | instead of magenta |
| 09:58:16 | tucoz | linuxstb, http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20070408.txt from 16.00 ff |
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| 09:58:37 | SliMM | to eliminate all the IFs |
| 09:58:47 | tucoz | 16.02.31 # <Neovanglist> I'm doing a demo on the ipod5g and rockbox, and I rewrote your LCD driver |
| 09:58:53 | tucoz | 16.02.52 # <Neovanglist> it's considerably faster now... but there is still so much more to do with that chip that I haven't sorted out yet |
| 09:59:16 | linuxstb | tucoz: Did he say anything else apart from that? He seems to have quickly moved onto other things... |
| 09:59:39 | pondlife | Getting Linux to run on his Zune? |
| 09:59:42 | pondlife | ;) |
| 09:59:44 | tucoz | no, i don't think so. I hoped that you would be present at the time he was there |
| 10:00 |
| 10:00:04 | linuxstb | I think I was, but missed his first line... |
| 10:00:46 | linuxstb | I guess we'll just have to wait and see if a patch appears on flyspray. |
| 10:01:03 | SliMM | lee's algorithm can't wait anymore, bye |
| 10:01:04 | tucoz | lets hope he made the lcd-driver considerably faster, and that we will see a patch for that some time |
| 10:01:05 | JdGordon | grr... the remote is causing me much pain :'( |
| 10:01:20 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:01:57 | LinusN | JdGordon: i don't understand your question about the array |
| 10:03:14 | JdGordon | well, if the array is only length 1, is there any difference in speed/size by having to do var[0] as apposed to just var? and if there is, is gcc smart enough to do that? |
| 10:03:32 | markun | B4gder: I get a database error while searching the forum.. |
| 10:03:44 | markun | are you the admin I have to report it to? |
| 10:03:48 | B4gder | nope |
| 10:03:52 | B4gder | LinusN is |
| 10:04:01 | LinusN | hang on... |
| 10:04:13 | JdGordon | ... because Im creating 6 NB_SCREENS sized arrays... |
| 10:04:24 | JdGordon | instead of creating the lcd screen vars seperatly |
| 10:04:50 | LinusN | markun: fied |
| 10:04:53 | LinusN | fixed even |
| 10:05:11 | LinusN | JdGordon: what would be the difference? |
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| 10:05:55 | JdGordon | I dont know... dont worry... |
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| 10:06:59 | LinusN | i believe gcc would handle that pretty well |
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| 10:08:38 | markun | This didn't make it into rockbox yet, right? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9490.msg75624#msg75624 |
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| 10:11:31 | LinusN | markun: i don't understand, what would "make it into rockbox"+ i don't see a patch |
| 10:11:35 | LinusN | ? |
| 10:12:29 | markun | LinusN: setting the DEV_EN bits to disable ATA and LCD when they are not used |
| 10:12:32 | linuxstb | But it looks like he's figured out how to power-down the ATA? |
| 10:12:53 | linuxstb | Does Toni have commit access? |
| 10:12:59 | LinusN | who is he? |
| 10:13:15 | B4gder | Toni is the sansa emulator guy |
| 10:13:24 | B4gder | and no, he doesn't have commit access |
| 10:13:26 | LinusN | ah, mr hellman |
| 10:13:29 | linuxstb | Didn't he also port the mp3 encoder, amongst other things? |
| 10:13:41 | B4gder | yes, he's done quite some good stuff |
| 10:13:51 | linuxstb | And various codec optimisations IIRC. |
| 10:16:53 | markun | LinusN: so I guess that was a "no" :) |
| 10:17:57 | linuxstb | markun: That forum post is less than 24 hours old... |
| 10:18:57 | markun | linuxstb: weird, I could have sworn I read it several days ago.. |
| 10:19:39 | linuxstb | He does say he did the measurements "a few days ago" - so he probably posted the same info elsewhere. |
| 10:20:17 | linuxstb | Yes, here - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9655.msg74270#msg74270 |
| 10:20:51 | markun | yes, I also just found it |
| 10:21:10 | linuxstb | But no, there haven't been any patches (afaik), so it's not in SVN. |
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| 10:22:13 | tucoz | anyone noticed that when listening to long mp3's (like 40-50min), and resuming playback, the correct position is started but the time in the wps is correct |
| 10:22:26 | SliMM | is ++i faster than i++ under arm-elf-gcc? |
| 10:22:30 | tucoz | some files that is |
| 10:22:37 | linuxstb | I guess you meant to say the wps is incorrect? |
| 10:22:46 | tucoz | right :D |
| 10:22:58 | linuxstb | Yes, I noticed that with some long (> 60 minute) MP2 files. |
| 10:23:15 | linuxstb | Although at the time, someone tested some long mp3 files, and they were fine... |
| 10:23:34 | tucoz | yes, i only noticed this with some files |
| 10:23:55 | linuxstb | My mp2 files are CBR, maybe that's the difference. Are your troublesome MP3 files CBR? |
| 10:24:01 | tucoz | i think so |
| 10:24:11 | tucoz | let me check when i get home. |
| 10:25:05 | linuxstb | I _think_ I filed a flyspray report... |
| 10:25:24 | tucoz | i think i searched fs for a bug, but didn't find anything |
| 10:25:33 | linuxstb | Ah no, someone else did, and I commented - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6768 |
| 10:27:03 | linuxstb | If you find that vbr mp3 files work, and cbr ones don't that would be useful to add. |
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| 10:27:28 | tucoz | yep. i'll add a comment to that report as i get home |
| 10:29:41 | safetydan | Anyone want to test a patch that moves hardware eq init into audio_init? |
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| 10:34:14 | JdGordon | grr.... now the remote works fine and the main screen icons dont work :'( |
| 10:36:14 | JdGordon | w00t.. all working now :D |
| 10:36:59 | JdGordon | 255,0,255 is transparent right? |
| 10:38:30 | LinusN | yes |
| 10:40:28 | midkay | JdGordon: what works? have you got them loading from an on-disk BMP? |
| 10:41:07 | JdGordon | not yet, I have them loading the inbuilt icons correctly, which is a good start anyway :p |
| 10:41:34 | JdGordon | grr... no, main lcd isnt showing transparent |
| 10:41:34 | midkay | have what loading the inbuilt icons already? |
| 10:42:04 | JdGordon | the current icons, instead of having to use bmp2rb, its done like the rockbox logo |
| 10:42:24 | midkay | bmp2rb'd in the build process, you mean? |
| 10:42:44 | JdGordon | yeha |
| 10:43:07 | JdGordon | now to fix the broken icons, then get loadable bmps working |
| 10:43:19 | JdGordon | then viewers.config and we are done |
| 10:43:29 | midkay | ah, that's good anyhow. (in fact if you polish that up it might be a nice halfway commit...) |
| 10:44:03 | amiconn | SliMM: Preincrement vs. postincrement shouldn't make a difference, especially not on arm |
| 10:44:06 | JdGordon | by polish you mean remove the dozen warnings from the compile |
| 10:44:07 | JdGordon | ? |
| 10:44:47 | amiconn | But true transparency is a non-no on 16 bit targets, unless someone comes up with a really clever way to apply the transparency without unpacking the pixel word |
| 10:44:54 | amiconn | It'd be way too slow |
| 10:44:59 | midkay | JdGordon: haha, aside from having everything work correctly, basically yes :) |
| 10:45:30 | amiconn | What would be possible would be coarse transparency, like 0/50/100% or maybe even 0/25/50/75/100% |
| 10:46:25 | B4gder | I don't see why plugins can't do slow transparency if they like it |
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| 10:46:32 | SliMM | amicon: what do you mean by "unpacking the pixel word"? |
| 10:46:51 | SliMM | amiconn: what do you mean by "unpacking the pixel word"? |
| 10:47:03 | linuxstb | Converting the 16-bit rgb565 value into 3 separate r, g and b variables. |
| 10:47:07 | linuxstb | (and back again) |
| 10:47:13 | SliMM | oh |
| 10:47:15 | amiconn | yeps |
| 10:47:29 | SliMM | :-? i'll think of it |
| 10:51:29 | JdGordon | midkay: bah, that was too easy, had some types causing icons to not show... should have loadable bmps working soon |
| 10:51:45 | midkay | JdGordon: coolness. |
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| 10:52:29 | JdGordon | amiconn: actually, do you think it would be better to commit this half-way, without user configurable icons? |
| 10:52:43 | JdGordon | actually.. na, ignore that |
| 10:52:51 | JdGordon | too much hassle to clean it properly |
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| 10:55:54 | amiconn | B4gder: They can, but then it would be a function in the plugin (or perhaps the xlcd plugin lib) |
| 10:56:17 | crop | Where is the transparency info stored in BMP's? |
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| 10:57:05 | crop | Is it a fourth dimension (RGB + transparency)? |
| 10:57:06 | amiconn | 32 bit BMPs can be stored as RGBA afaik |
| 10:57:18 | SliMM | so you say i shouldn't use bit shifting for semi-transparency? |
| 10:57:28 | amiconn | Usually they are RGBX though (X == don't care) |
| 10:57:51 | crop | A stands for transparency? |
| 10:57:55 | LinusN | Alpha |
| 10:58:01 | SliMM | A stands for alpha |
| 10:58:16 | SliMM | the alpha channel is the one responsible for transparency |
| 10:58:41 | SliMM | amiconn: so you say i shouldn't use bit shifting for semi-transparency? |
| 10:58:47 | crop | Ok, thanks. Now I understand what you'r taling about |
| 10:59:03 | crop | *you're talking |
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| 10:59:38 | JdGordon | amiconn: width x height x lcd_depth to get the required buffer size? |
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| 11:00:40 | SliMM | JdGordon: width x height x 16 |
| 11:00:42 | crop | Why can't the BMP handling be done with simple masks? Or is it still too slow? |
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| 11:01:02 | SliMM | it is done with simple masks |
| 11:01:02 | B4gder | alpha can't be made with masks |
| 11:01:17 | LinusN | JdGordon: w*h*depth/8 i believe |
| 11:01:26 | SliMM | magenta is 100% transparent |
| 11:01:27 | JdGordon | ta |
| 11:01:45 | SliMM | and everithing else is 100% opaque |
| 11:02:01 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I don't think it's that simple - you need to round the sizes up to a multiple of the number of pixels packed together. |
| 11:02:25 | LinusN | JdGordon: why do you need to calculate the size? |
| 11:02:44 | JdGordon | for the buffer size to be able to load customisable icons sets |
| 11:02:46 | SliMM | but for the alpha mask there is a little bit more work |
| 11:03:08 | linuxstb | Shouldn't that space be allocated based on the size of the icons being loaded? |
| 11:03:26 | LinusN | JdGordon: yes, but why not just let the bmp loader load the image and then see how much buffer space was used? |
| 11:04:35 | crop | Yes, I mean the alpha mask. And for the start, it could be values that can be computed fast −− as amiconn said. Only 4 or 8 levels. |
| 11:05:06 | LinusN | JdGordon: check load_bitmap() in apps/gui/wps_parser.c |
| 11:05:09 | JdGordon | the idea was to give the user a max width and max height for icons which they could load, so they could change without rebooting |
| 11:05:48 | LinusN | JdGordon: i think you should handle it just like the wps does it |
| 11:06:02 | SliMM | crop: i have already written a function for drawing bitmaps with an external alpha channel |
| 11:06:08 | LinusN | i.e don't use buffer_alloc() |
| 11:06:17 | SliMM | i'll "publish" it after some polishing |
| 11:06:24 | SliMM | but i'm pretty lazy |
| 11:06:42 | JdGordon | LinusN: doesnt the wps create a static buffer? so if you dont want the icons your stilll penalised? |
| 11:06:53 | crop | Ok, I'd better shut up then and wait for the patch/commit |
| 11:06:58 | LinusN | JdGordon: that is true |
| 11:07:14 | SliMM | by "external alpha cahannel" i mean an extra grayscale (or redscale) bitmap |
| 11:07:41 | LinusN | JdGordon: but i think that is a small price to pay for not having to reboot when you change the theme |
| 11:07:42 | amiconn | Few-level alpha can be done by shifting and masking, without unpackingthe pixels |
| 11:07:58 | JdGordon | LinusN: ok, means 2 less settings also |
| 11:08:21 | amiconn | But that's not feasible for more than 3 or 5 steps |
| 11:08:27 | LinusN | it works fine for the wps, so i think it should work for the icons too |
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| 11:08:51 | SliMM | amiconn: isn't unpacking the pixels shifting? |
| 11:08:53 | amiconn | For more all I can see is that you need to unpack, multiply, and repack, and then it becomes so slow that it's not suitable for the core |
| 11:09:39 | amiconn | SliMM: Nope. Unpacking needs shifting, but not all shifting means unpacking the pixels |
| 11:09:51 | SliMM | no.. shift, average, shift |
| 11:09:59 | amiconn | ? |
| 11:10:09 | SliMM | amiconn: unpacking native lcd color is just shifting |
| 11:10:23 | jhMikeS | amiconn: From an old program of mine: http://www.pastebin.ca/434214 −− however this could be optimized far more than it is |
| 11:10:30 | amiconn | No it's not |
| 11:10:52 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Have you read the logs regarding the mpegplayer problems on dual core targets? |
| 11:11:01 | SliMM | amiconn: but what is it? |
| 11:11:11 | amiconn | For unpacking, you need to shift+mask the packed pixel to create 3 values: r, g and b |
| 11:11:37 | amiconn | Simple transparency can be done without that, working with shift+mask on the packed pixel directly |
| 11:11:44 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: yes...it seems they're not new? I'm not clear |
| 11:12:18 | jhMikeS | you can multipy three components at once if the alpha range is 0-31 |
| 11:12:25 | linuxstb | No, they're new. |
| 11:12:36 | SliMM | (color << 5) >> 5 is done without masking :P |
| 11:12:50 | linuxstb | Or maybe all you've done is made existing problems 100% consistent... |
| 11:12:51 | SliMM | (color << 5) >> 10 |
| 11:13:06 | SliMM | but anyway |
| 11:13:41 | SliMM | i'll google and see what i can find |
| 11:13:56 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: I'm not suprised, there's not a single dual-core safe bit of code there. Lots of shared data but no NOCACHEBSS stuff |
| 11:14:46 | amiconn | Masking or double shift is the same |
| 11:15:16 | amiconn | Btw, if you declare a 'short' and then extract bits by double-shifting the way you showed, then it gets even slower on arm |
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| 11:16:37 | jhMikeS | The Sansa has dual right? I guess it won't be long before I can get on top of it. |
| 11:16:40 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: All shared variables are (or should be) in IRAM, which isn't cached. |
| 11:16:44 | amiconn | Arm has a hard time dealing with 16 bit ints |
| 11:16:45 | SliMM | amiconn: i will just use the macros |
| 11:17:01 | SliMM | so no shorts? |
| 11:17:21 | SliMM | is it working faster with longs? |
| 11:17:42 | munzli | hi, any X5 users around? just called varitronix and requested information about ordering a new tft display, interessting to see if they can replace it. |
| 11:17:55 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: Well, maybe I botched something there. Will have a look. |
| 11:18:06 | munzli | noticed that the wiki has false information about the hardware component |
| 11:19:42 | jhMikeS | I also have to get the stream demuxer right, it can peek ahead into the guard buffer but not have valid data there. |
| 11:21:50 | SliMM | similar to the slow-working opacity blending are other blending modes (like multiply, overlay, etc.) that can be implemented in the plugin api |
| 11:23:50 | SliMM | http://www.simpelfilter.de/en/grundlagen/mixmods.html |
| 11:24:16 | SliMM | just multiply everithing by 255 for fixed point |
| 11:24:29 | SliMM | for integer* |
| 11:29:15 | * | jhMikeS reading the logs carefully and trying to get a clue on what the issues may be |
| 11:30:17 | amiconn | SliMM: The 'just multiply' still needs unpacking and repacking |
| 11:31:54 | SliMM | it does, but so does 50% opacity or any other value (of course not 100% and 0%) i think |
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| 11:34:11 | amiconn | No it doesn't |
| 11:34:41 | amiconn | 50% opacity can be done with two shifts, two ands, and one addition per pixel |
| 11:34:57 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: The main issue I found (and Llorean confirmed) was that pressing the "MPEG_STOP" button consistently froze mpegplayer. Selecting quit from the menu works, but the next video played doesn't have any video (just a black screen). Llorean tested on a Nano, I tested on an ipod Color. |
| 11:35:13 | amiconn | That is, for the whole packed pixel, without unpacking + repacking |
| 11:35:16 | JdGordon | ok, so who has a sane value for the buffer size for loadable icon sets? or just do lcd widthxlcd hieght? |
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| 11:36:13 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Why not just load a theme at boot-time and grab however much RAM is needed for that particular theme from the audio buffer? |
| 11:36:31 | LinusN | linuxstb: i just talked him out of that |
| 11:36:49 | * | linuxstb reads the logs... |
| 11:36:53 | JdGordon | ((LCD_HEIGHT*LCD_WIDTH*LCD_DEPTH/8) * (1+NB_SCREENS)) ? |
| 11:36:57 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: I wonder if remove_thread on another thread just doesn't work quite right |
| 11:36:59 | JdGordon | thats probably way overkill.... |
| 11:37:13 | JdGordon | get rid of te 1+ |
| 11:37:21 | LinusN | JdGordon: well, how high is the largest font? |
| 11:37:33 | LinusN | 24 pixels? |
| 11:37:45 | LinusN | 16? |
| 11:37:47 | JdGordon | dunno... sounds about right |
| 11:37:51 | amiconn | JdGordon: (LCD_HEIGHT*LCD_WIDTH*LCD_DEPTH/8)+(LCD_REMOTE_HEIGHT*LCD_REMOTE_WIDTH*LCD_REMOTE_DEPTH/8) |
| 11:38:06 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I don't think it works if the other thread is on a different core - that's why the video thread commits suicide. |
| 11:38:26 | amiconn | LinusN: That depends on the target. rasher.dk has fonts with heights of 24 pixels and more |
| 11:38:44 | amiconn | JdGordon: Maybe half of that is enough |
| 11:38:51 | jhMikeS | it still does...it's not even safe on the same core in all situation. I think the audio thread should too. It's really the only safe method. |
| 11:38:54 | LinusN | ok, so assume that the max icon size would be 24*24 pixels |
| 11:38:58 | SliMM | what do you think about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiaolin_Wu's_line_algorithm |
| 11:39:00 | SliMM | ? |
| 11:39:05 | jhMikeS | But the video thread committing suicide is a race condition anyway |
| 11:39:12 | JdGordon | ok, 24x24 it is |
| 11:39:13 | LinusN | then multiply that with the max number of icons |
| 11:39:22 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Does the problem occur on the simulator? |
| 11:39:42 | JdGordon | actually.. should that max be put in the configs? |
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| 11:39:58 | pondlife | Might be worth a sanity check, in case it's not a remove_thread problem...? |
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| 11:40:31 | LinusN | JdGordon: anywhere you feel is best |
| 11:41:34 | SliMM | JdGordon: when will you finish this icon thing? i can hardly wait :D |
| 11:42:19 | JdGordon | shouldnt be long.. except we still have to figure out how to handle viewers.config |
| 11:43:21 | jhMikeS | pondlife: I haven't checked the sim. I do know a sequence that would guarantee the video thread to be in core code before an exit happens though. |
| 11:43:43 | SliMM | how large will the icons be? |
| 11:44:54 | JdGordon | SliMM: as large as you want.. anything from 1x1 to 24x24 |
| 11:45:45 | SliMM | i can search for some simple good-looking icons |
| 11:46:16 | SliMM | and there should be a custom viewers.config, don't you think? |
| 11:46:17 | jhMikeS | 1) Kill the video thread and wait for it to signal it is about to kill itself. 2) Wait for audio thread to die (it can suicide too to be safe) 3) Delay long enough for video thread to suicide...a small delay long enough for it to call remove_thread(NULL). |
| 11:48:11 | jhMikeS | just step two should guarantee to have step 3 completed by the time it's done but waiting a tick will be sure. |
| 11:50:26 | jhMikeS | Can interrupts be disabled deliberately on the other core? |
| 11:50:28 | barrywardell | linuxstb: have you seen this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6964 ? |
| 11:51:26 | linuxstb | barrywardell: No, but I was around when Toni discussed it in IRC with amiconn. |
| 11:52:08 | barrywardell | ah, ok. maybe that's the reason for the bad sound quality on H10 too |
| 11:52:51 | linuxstb | Very probably. |
| 11:52:54 | jhMikeS | I'll also double check the audio clock stoppage. |
| 11:54:04 | jhMikeS | I'll do all that and commit an update since it's much more sound in any case anyway |
| 11:55:43 | barrywardell | linuxstb: but nobody found a solution yet? |
| 11:56:17 | amiconn | Does the cop even have interrupts enabled? Afaik it doesn't... |
| 11:56:32 | linuxstb | I think it does - it needs them for sleep and yield to work. |
| 11:56:43 | linuxstb | Sorry, for sleep to work. |
| 11:57:23 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I haven't looked at it, I don't know if anyone else has. |
| 11:58:03 | SliMM | do i have to use a custom build to have the cop enabled? |
| 11:58:14 | | Part tucoz |
| 11:59:13 | safetydan | SliMM: no that's been included for a while now |
| 11:59:43 | jhMikeS | amiconn: well, I just don't want any interrupt when the video thread is racing to get into remove_thread. I guess it's now a problem then and it should be done in a few microseconds. |
| 11:59:54 | jhMikeS | s/now/not/ |
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| 12:01:06 | | Part munzli ("Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org") |
| 12:01:14 | jhMikeS | never...mind...I responded before reading further :P. Can they be stopped by the audio thread and then reenabled elsewhere? |
| 12:01:35 | jhMikeS | I mean video thread...oy :) |
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| 12:08:22 | JdGordon | oadable icons sort of almost work :D |
| 12:08:43 | jhMikeS | I'll make sure my changes work for me. Anyone want to check a patch on dual core? Should be ready shortly I hope. |
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| 12:14:22 | midkay | JdGordon: i'm off to bed.. good luck with that :) |
| 12:14:59 | JdGordon | cya |
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| 12:21:43 | JdGordon | grr! bloody copy+paste bugs :'( |
| 12:22:12 | * | JdGordon has an incredibly ugly icon set loaded at runtime :) |
| 12:22:39 | JdGordon | 8x16.. although not aligned properly |
| 12:24:35 | SliMM | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Cezanne+Mimetypes?content=15669 |
| 12:24:40 | SliMM | nice icons |
| 12:24:52 | SliMM | 22*22 pngs are perfect |
| 12:25:02 | SliMM | no vector graphics though :( |
| 12:25:31 | jhMikeS | ...ok...I'll just commit the changes and wait for word :) |
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| 12:30:12 | SliMM | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Krystaline?content=17509 |
| 12:30:18 | SliMM | another nice icon set |
| 12:30:44 | JdGordon | all you need to do is convert them to the correct format and they are loadable |
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| 12:34:26 | * | jhMikeS is gonna see about the USB stuff too |
| 12:34:41 | SliMM | won't rockbox have a default icon set? |
| 12:34:52 | SliMM | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/FlatSVG?content=17158 for grayscale targets :D |
| 12:35:03 | JdGordon | SliMM: the current icons will be built in |
| 12:35:11 | SliMM | k |
| 12:35:25 | SliMM | so what is the corect format? |
| 12:36:40 | JdGordon | jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/screeny.bmp">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/screeny.bmp shows the h300 with 2 different icon sets :) |
| 12:37:03 | JdGordon | SliMM: its a bit hard to explain, so im going to wiki it a bit later |
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| 12:40:13 | NHeal | (timeout) kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 12:40:59 | LinusN | JdGordon: impressive screendump :-P |
| 12:42:44 | jhMikeS | oh...so after all the arguing with me against it we'll get color icons afterall. :D |
| 12:43:26 | B4gder | jhMikeS: you shouldn't discuss such issues with amiconn you know ;-) |
| 12:44:17 | jhMikeS | B4gder: I discussed them with JdGordon! ... rotf :) |
| 12:44:29 | B4gder | haha |
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| 12:49:14 | * | LinusN commits some real rubbish work |
| 12:51:43 | * | B4gder pretends he's working |
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| 12:53:19 | SliMM | should i start working on a cubis-like game? |
| 12:54:57 | B4gder | sure, why not! |
| 12:55:04 | * | B4gder has no idea what cubis is |
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| 12:55:23 | webguest02 | hello? |
| 12:55:30 | B4gder | 'ello! |
| 12:56:05 | webguest02 | how do i get rockbox to play wmv (iriver H10 5gb) |
| 12:56:14 | SliMM | i'll probably finish it next year |
| 12:56:22 | GodEater | webguest02: by writing a lot of code |
| 12:56:29 | B4gder | webguest02: you get the wma patch, fix it, apply it and then run it |
| 12:56:44 | LinusN | webguest02: wmv, as in video? |
| 12:56:44 | webguest02 | wheres that? |
| 12:56:45 | GodEater | B4gder: wma, or wmv ? |
| 12:56:48 | B4gder | ah |
| 12:56:52 | webguest02 | wma sorry |
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| 12:57:03 | B4gder | hehe |
| 12:57:08 | B4gder | I sensed it! |
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| 12:57:21 | LinusN | B4gder: you are psychic! |
| 12:57:25 | webguest02 | lol |
| 12:57:30 | webguest02 | wheres the patch? |
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| 12:57:34 | GodEater | B4gder = Jedi |
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| 12:57:48 | B4gder | webguest02: in the patch tracker, but beware it is not ready for use as it is |
| 12:57:58 | crop | He. The manual says: %cI Zero padded hour from 12 to 12. Funny. From 12 to 12. The funny thing is that that'r correct! |
| 12:58:00 | LinusN | webguest02: that patch is not working yet, it needs a lot of work |
| 12:58:47 | B4gder | hopefully we'll have a better wma situation by the end of the summer |
| 12:58:48 | SliMM | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4984 |
| 12:59:33 | webguest02 | thx people |
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| 12:59:37 | GodEater | talking of summer |
| 12:59:44 | GodEater | is there an update on what projects are going ahead ? |
| 13:00 |
| 13:00:58 | B4gder | I guess nobody caught a "Robert H Lurie" team person yday? |
| 13:01:33 | B4gder | or rather early this morning (euro time) |
| 13:01:58 | linuxstb | Isn't today "The Day" ? |
| 13:02:00 | LinusN | who's that? |
| 13:02:21 | B4gder | LinusN: the project who we fight with about our speech student |
| 13:02:22 | SliMM | i'll take a look over hotdog |
| 13:02:45 | B4gder | "Robert H. Lurie Comprehensive Cancer Center" |
| 13:03:18 | linuxstb | I saw in the IRC channel that our student was "below the line" for the other project, so IIUC, it seems that he's ours. |
| 13:03:47 | B4gder | I'll email that mentor and ask |
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| 13:06:56 | jhMikeS | mpegplayer changes up, hopefully fixes something :P |
| 13:07:19 | B4gder | mail away |
| 13:08:09 | LinusN | B4gder: filled with nasty threats, i presume? :-P |
| 13:08:47 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:08:49 | B4gder | and hold them we'll send our team of lawyers, bluechip and gl.tter if they don't stand back |
| 13:08:53 | B4gder | told even |
| 13:09:25 | petur | ooow... gl.tter.... that 'll scare them off |
| 13:10:19 | * | GodEater watches the joke sail miles over his head |
| 13:12:45 | B4gder | persons who we've had some conflicts with in the past |
| 13:13:12 | markun | jhMikeS: I noticed that mpegplayer hangs after it's finished playing a incomplete file |
| 13:13:30 | amiconn | LinusN: Do we have a usable patchset for 16MB targets nowadays? |
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| 13:13:50 | GodEater | the name bluechip rings a bell - not heard of gl.tter though |
| 13:14:26 | crop | Has anyone used Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition? Is it a good IDE? For RB development at least, I mean. |
| 13:14:57 | SliMM | no |
| 13:14:59 | * | B4gder takes a step backwards |
| 13:15:04 | * | petur uses VS.NET 2003 with satisfaction |
| 13:15:25 | SliMM | petur: visual c++ 2005 is free |
| 13:15:27 | GodEater | the thought of the line ending hassle involved fills me with horror |
| 13:15:53 | jhMikeS | markun: still? try again now...I've no incomplete files but I guess it's not hard to just chop one short |
| 13:16:02 | crop | GodEater: can't vc++ handle unix eol? |
| 13:16:11 | SliMM | crop: just use the vmware player with rockbox's debian development environment, it's very good |
| 13:16:15 | LinusN | amiconn: it only loads the wavs it needs, so the total patchset size doesn't matter |
| 13:16:21 | GodEater | crop: I think it reads them - I don't think it saves them though |
| 13:17:01 | crop | GodEater: I use windows (cygwin) with native eols, so that wouldn't be a problem for me |
| 13:17:05 | petur | VS always saves with cr/lf endings, but if you use tortoisesvn, all your files are like that anyway |
| 13:17:10 | SliMM | and write your code with notepad++ :) |
| 13:17:35 | markun | jhMikeS: I don't have such a file right now, but I will try later |
| 13:17:47 | crop | petur: does it have features like "go to func definition" and the like? |
| 13:17:58 | SliMM | crop: vmware player is the best for developing rockbox under windows |
| 13:18:09 | crop | or "find all callers of the func"? |
| 13:18:31 | crop | SliMM: I've never heard about that |
| 13:18:40 | * | crop goes looking |
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| 13:18:48 | * | jhMikeS would just like to know if the dual-core problems still happen...if so, it's something else and it will be hunted down |
| 13:18:49 | petur | crop: my version doesn't, unless I would make a project file for all rockbox files... |
| 13:18:51 | SliMM | crop: just take a look in the wiki\ |
| 13:18:55 | Mr | okay can I get some help? |
| 13:19:12 | SliMM | mr: dunno |
| 13:19:48 | crop | petur: what features do you like then? Code coloring? |
| 13:19:58 | Mr | well, i wanna put a playist I have in Winamp |
| 13:20:02 | Mr | into Rockbox |
| 13:20:04 | Mr | possible? |
| 13:20:52 | SliMM | i don't use winamp... so i don't know, but i think it's pssible |
| 13:20:59 | Mr | well |
| 13:21:01 | petur | crop: that and the search, and the keyboard shortcuts I'm used to... and I'm too lazy to install another editor |
| 13:21:03 | Mr | what about from iTunes |
| 13:21:15 | Mr | i have the playlist in both |
| 13:21:17 | SliMM | are the files on your hard disk or on your player? |
| 13:21:30 | Mr | me? |
| 13:21:38 | SliMM | mt: yes |
| 13:21:41 | SliMM | mr* |
| 13:21:43 | Mr | both |
| 13:21:46 | crop | petur: but every text editor can that. Any C specific features? |
| 13:22:15 | petur | not that I use |
| 13:22:17 | SliMM | the playlist points to the files on your harddisk or to the files on your player? |
| 13:22:26 | Mr | hard disk |
| 13:22:47 | petur | crop: maybe the intellicrap is better in 2005 |
| 13:22:58 | Mr | the iPod has iTunes songs on it, i jsut converted to RockBox like and hour ago |
| 13:23:03 | crop | petur: intelli what? |
| 13:23:11 | Mr | and im quite impressed, but still i need the playlist |
| 13:23:28 | petur | crop: this automatic name completion, function arguments,... stuff |
| 13:23:35 | SliMM | mr: than use the database featur.. |
| 13:23:40 | SliMM | feature* |
| 13:23:45 | Mr | what do you mean? |
| 13:23:49 | Mr | it detected the songs |
| 13:24:05 | Mr | but if it is meant to find Playlists |
| 13:24:07 | Mr | it didn't |
| 13:24:08 | GodEater | playlists on rockbox'd ipods where people insist on keeping the original iTunes music are next to useless |
| 13:24:13 | crop | petur: ah, so the editor knows the funcs etc... That's really nice. I'll try it then. |
| 13:24:24 | GodEater | since all the filenames in the playlist are unintelligible |
| 13:24:41 | GodEater | just my 2 cents |
| 13:24:50 | Mr | crap |
| 13:25:00 | Mr | there has to be another way |
| 13:25:10 | GodEater | there is, load all the music by drag and drop |
| 13:25:11 | Mr | other than adding each song individually |
| 13:25:17 | SliMM | mr: just use copypod and save your files frop the ipod to.. the ipod |
| 13:25:19 | GodEater | and forget using itunes |
| 13:25:32 | Mr | what's copypod? |
| 13:25:33 | SliMM | from* |
| 13:25:50 | Mr | say lemme guess giyf? |
| 13:25:52 | linuxstb | I expect that the playlist viewer will eventually be able to display information from the database (where its available), so the situation may get better in the future. But the best way to use Rockbox is to only use Rockbox... |
| 13:25:57 | GodEater | Mr: http://www.copytrans.net/ |
| 13:26:20 | * | GodEater agrees with linuxstb |
| 13:26:26 | pixelma | Mr: maybe this thread can help? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8039.0 (don't even have an ipod myself...) |
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| 13:27:13 | pixelma | and I'm not sure if that's what you want to do |
| 13:27:19 | Mr | so, will this change the music filesystem or what? |
| 13:27:37 | Mr | then I can add the playist off the pc and change the driver? |
| 13:27:44 | Mr | drive* |
| 13:28:20 | GodEater | from what I can tell, you'll end up with two copies of your music on your iPod if you use SliMM's solution |
| 13:28:25 | GodEater | so it's not one I'd recommend myself |
| 13:28:52 | SliMM | godeater: he can delete his old music afterwards |
| 13:29:02 | linuxstb | Don't you simply need to rename the files on the ipod according to their tags? There must be lots of tools to do that. |
| 13:29:22 | SliMM | mp3tag is very good |
| 13:29:35 | SliMM | brb, it's lunch time :) |
| 13:29:41 | Mr | where are you? |
| 13:29:47 | GodEater | linuxstb: easiest way would be to just copy the iTunes music directory from the PC to the iPod. And delete all the iPod_Control nonsense |
| 13:30:01 | GodEater | no renaming / tagging required |
| 13:30:19 | * | GodEater also goes to lunch |
| 13:30:20 | Mr | and then if I decide to switch back, just "restore" the ipod i guess |
| 13:30:20 | linuxstb | Assuming they're named sensibly on the PC... |
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| 13:35:47 | SliMM | back |
| 13:36:45 | SliMM | mr: this is what i did a year ago, when i first used rockbox |
| 13:36:45 | linuxstb | SliMM: Had a nice lunch? |
| 13:37:03 | SliMM | linuxstb: pretty nice :) |
| 13:37:28 | SliMM | mr: i was using rockbox just for fun |
| 13:37:51 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I'm just testing the latest mpegplayer on my ipod now... |
| 13:37:53 | SliMM | mr: showoff etc and planning on switching to rockbox at sometime in the future |
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| 13:38:22 | SliMM | but i plugged my ipod into the computer once, and itunes deleted everithyng :)) |
| 13:38:36 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: ok. I also have an update coming so it handles create_thread failure right |
| 13:39:02 | SliMM | it wasn't so hard after that to switch to rockbox |
| 13:39:38 | SliMM | you should try it if you can't find a program you like |
| 13:39:41 | * | jhMikeS will just wait for word and try to address any other problems too |
| 13:39:45 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I get exactly the same freeze when pressing STOP... |
| 13:40:17 | jhMikeS | but the menu exit is ok? what about the failure to play the next video correctly? |
| 13:40:42 | linuxstb | Just about to test that now... |
| 13:40:51 | safetydan | LinusN: I'm fairly certain the simulator can handle sample rates other than 44100 if you wanted to change that #ifdef in the midi plugin |
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| 13:41:04 | LinusN | safetydan: it's a performance issue |
| 13:41:19 | jhMikeS | I think I found a good local price on the Sansa e260 and will try to get my butt out and get it today |
| 13:41:50 | LinusN | safetydan: and i don't think we are interested in lower sampling rate in the sim |
| 13:41:56 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: No change there either - I still get audio and a black screen when playing a second video. |
| 13:43:03 | safetydan | LinusN: righto then |
| 13:43:55 | jhMikeS | ok, that's just wierd |
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| 13:44:22 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Let me do a make clean and double-check that the new version is running... |
| 13:44:24 | jhMikeS | does the problem occurr after using any other plugin beforehand? |
| 13:44:41 | jhMikeS | something big and IRAM using that is |
| 13:44:43 | linuxstb | I haven't tried. |
| 13:44:57 | SliMM | how do i use the "lib" folder for adding features to the plugin api |
| 13:45:02 | SliMM | ? |
| 13:45:23 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: I dont remember talking about colour icons with you before? |
| 13:46:04 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: in email? you talked about the contrast against backgrounds? |
| 13:46:28 | linuxstb | SliMM: Look at the existing xlcd* files, and then look at a plugin that uses them - e.g. bubbles |
| 13:46:49 | SliMM | k, thanx |
| 13:46:51 | linuxstb | SliMM: I think you could add your functions to xlcd.h and define them in xlcd_alpha.c |
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| 13:47:08 | jhMikeS | I have two theories right now: 1) something isn't initialized that should be so old data is left. 2) scheduler problem that timing changes brought on |
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| 13:47:37 | linuxstb | You then need to add xlcd_apha.c to apps/plugins/lib/SOURCES and #include "xlcd.h" in your test plugin. |
| 13:47:38 | SliMM | i'll do that |
| 13:48:54 | SliMM | it's holiday, so i'll find some tomie for doing finishing my "work" |
| 13:48:55 | jhMikeS | theory 3 of 2: something stupid I did |
| 13:53:53 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: btw, does framelimiting have to be on to get the black screen? |
| 13:54:07 | linuxstb | Again, I haven't tested... |
| 13:54:09 | SliMM | so i use _xlcd_rb as the plugin api |
| 13:54:17 | linuxstb | But I have it on. |
| 13:54:20 | SliMM | plugin api pointer |
| 13:54:45 | linuxstb | SliMM: From within lcd_alpha.c, yes. |
| 13:54:55 | linuxstb | ^xlcd_alpha |
| 13:55:00 | * | pixelma is listening to some midis on M5 :) |
| 13:55:31 | SliMM | i'll do this later today, i need to take a walk now |
| 13:55:33 | SliMM | bye |
| 13:56:08 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: With frame-limited disabled, I still get a black screen on the second video. |
| 13:56:26 | linuxstb | The menu doeesn't work either... |
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| 13:56:39 | jhMikeS | ok, so it's not stuck looping but something else |
| 13:57:57 | linuxstb | I tried running pacbox (which uses IRAM), followed by mpegplayer, and it works fine. |
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| 13:59:13 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 13:59:51 | jhMikeS | it seems to take awhile to stop using the stop button on gigabeat too...longer than it should imo |
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| 14:01:26 | jhMikeS | but that just seems to be it waiting for the audiobuffer to empty out |
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| 14:07:50 | aliask | JdGordon: Can I pick your brain about something with the menu's? |
| 14:08:11 | JdGordon | shoot |
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| 14:08:41 | kahn | has anyone got really slow transfer rates with ipod nanos under windows? everythings great just somethings majorly stuffed the usb rate. any ideas? |
| 14:09:18 | aliask | Is there a macro similar to STRINGLIST that can accept variable values? |
| 14:09:41 | * | jhMikeS is likely off to CircuitCity momentarily |
| 14:09:46 | JdGordon | the root menu does that.... |
| 14:09:58 | JdGordon | MENUITEM_RETURNVALUE |
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| 14:10:11 | JdGordon | you have to build the menu the hard way though |
| 14:10:53 | aliask | Ah Ok. So you need to do the MAKE_MENU bit as well then |
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| 14:11:08 | aliask | Thanks :) |
| 14:13:00 | aliask | Anyone ever play a game called "super domination". Really old dos game... |
| 14:13:15 | JdGordon | not I |
| 14:13:38 | linuxstb | kahn: That's widely reported as an issue when using Apple's "emergency" disk mode on the Nano - which is what Rockbox reboots into when you attach a USB cable. If you start the main Apple firmware before inserting USB, you should get faster transfers. |
| 14:13:56 | kahn | cheers |
| 14:13:59 | aliask | It's seriously fun. I'm making a rockbox clone. Hopefully if I clean it up enough I'll submit it to the tracker. |
| 14:14:39 | bluebrother | anyone in here worked with a BDI200 by Abatron? |
| 14:15:11 | B4gder | no, but i hear it is a good beast |
| 14:15:42 | bluebrother | I'm using one at uni and I really like it. I'm just searching how I can flash a chip using that thing |
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| 14:16:08 | * | B4gder is stuck with printk() debugging... |
| 14:16:08 | bluebrother | (and as usual here at uni, nobody around knows that. grrr.) |
| 14:16:46 | linuxstb | Forget that, wire it up to your Mini... |
| 14:16:53 | JdGordon | :'( Im stuck with the "initialization from incompatible pointer type" but both pointers are the same |
| 14:17:13 | bluebrother | I would like to, but I can't that that thing home :''-( |
| 14:17:27 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Obviously gcc disagrees... |
| 14:18:33 | JdGordon | ok, so aparently there is... gcc cant count!.. the warning message says the problem is 2 lines below the actual one |
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| 14:23:56 | jhMikeS | hrm...now I just have to wait till 10:00am to pick it up :P |
| 14:27:41 | JdGordon | well, I have an odd bug, on the h100 sim, the remote icons are drawn correclty, but the main screen icons are not, both using the default set and the same code to draw them! |
| 14:30:39 | JdGordon | amiconn: any idea what might be the problem? |
| 14:31:14 | JdGordon | the main screen icons are drawn double the size, but only the top half |
| 14:31:34 | linuxstb | What formats are the bitmaps, and what functions are you using to draw them? |
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| 14:32:17 | JdGordon | native so unsigned char *, and with mono_bitmap_part |
| 14:32:34 | linuxstb | That's the problem - you can't draw native bitmaps using the mono_bitmap* functions... |
| 14:32:49 | linuxstb | It works on the remote by chance - because "native" is mono. |
| 14:32:57 | markun | preglow: looks like I will see Autechre life for the first time this summer! |
| 14:33:06 | JdGordon | oh? bah |
| 14:33:09 | JdGordon | what do I use? |
| 14:33:23 | webguest14 | hi, is the iriver H140 capable of PLAYING 24bit/48kHz WAv-files? thx for your help, Arni |
| 14:33:31 | linuxstb | Just the normal bitmap functions (not prefixed by mono). If you want transparency, use those functions. |
| 14:34:13 | * | JdGordon looks forward to when all these will be merged into one function :p |
| 14:34:39 | bluebrother | webguest14: afaik the hardware does't support more than 16 bits, so you would need to resample |
| 14:35:15 | linuxstb | It also only plays at a maximum of 44.1KHz... |
| 14:35:29 | JdGordon | bitmap_part crashes when it tries drawing the remote... do I use mono_bitmap_part for that and bitmpa_part for the main screen? |
| 14:35:41 | linuxstb | So yes, Rockbox plays 24-bit/48KHz files, but converts them to 16-bit/44.1KHz before sending the data to the DAC. |
| 14:36:08 | pixelma | JdGordon: bitmpa won't work :P |
| 14:36:28 | JdGordon | it will... thats my modified mpa codec... |
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| 14:36:38 | JdGordon | rearragnign the letters also seems to work |
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| 14:37:39 | JdGordon | time to get a patch onto the tracker I think |
| 14:38:04 | JdGordon | is there a special way to add a binary file to svn? |
| 14:38:19 | B4gder | no |
| 14:38:24 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Are you using the "screen" API, or the lcd functions directly? IIRC, I tried to use the screen API for the USB logo when I converted it to use the bmp2rb build system, but there were lots of problems, so I just avoided it. I can't remember exactly what the problems were though.... |
| 14:38:39 | JdGordon | I'm using the screen api |
| 14:39:13 | linuxstb | Maybe this will need to wait until amiconn's bitmap drawing changes... |
| 14:39:30 | JdGordon | which will come before or after viewports? :p |
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| 14:42:15 | linuxstb | My commit 11208 was this - "Revert change to screen_access.c (adding the native-bitmap drawing function) that caused warnings on the H3x0. We now draw the USB logo using the normal lcd_bitmap() and lcd_remote_bitmap() functions instead of the screens API, which doesn't handle the differing bitmaps types well." |
| 14:43:16 | linuxstb | IIRC, the problem was that the bitmaps have different types for the main screen and remote on the H300 - 16bpp (packed into a short) for the main screen and 2bpp (packed into a char) for the remote. |
| 14:44:09 | JdGordon | the screen api doesnt set all of the *_bitmap_* functions to anything for the remote which caused the crash, so it should be safe |
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| 14:45:39 | linuxstb | That's the problem - it should map all the functions for the remote, but can't. |
| 14:45:58 | linuxstb | (because their types are different) |
| 14:46:56 | jhMikeS | the i2s can support 16,18 and 20 bits and the PDOR1 and PDOR2 registers support 20 bits per channel and the iis2 channel is configurable to use PDOR1 and PDOR2 so 20 bit output looks workable |
| 14:48:14 | jhMikeS | come to think of it, with low latency we'd not have to interleave the data and could leave it 32-bits on output |
| 14:48:18 | JdGordon | linuxstb: right, but if the functions which are mapped correctly are used, it shoudl be ok? |
| 14:48:50 | jhMikeS | I don't know if DMA supports it though :\ |
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| 14:51:36 | pixelma | LinusN: minor issue with midiplay - it doesn't "tell" the system that something is running, that's a problem if your midi would play longer than the idle poweroff time... |
| 14:51:59 | JdGordon | fs 7013 for anyone interested |
| 14:52:11 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: BTW, what's the prefered output format for codecs now? interleaved or non-interleaved? |
| 14:53:32 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Yes, but if you call different functions for different screens, you may as well just not use the screens api at all... |
| 14:54:17 | JdGordon | thats true, ok, so only the remote lcd function needs to be handled seperatly right? |
| 14:54:38 | amiconn | jhMikeS: DMA only allows 16 bit samples on cf, that's why we don't do 20 bit |
| 14:55:31 | amiconn | linuxstb: q&d instead of fixing things? :/ |
| 14:56:05 | jhMikeS | amiconn: ok...I was looking and appeared that way. Not that the S/N ration really makes it worth it. |
| 14:57:12 | linuxstb | q&d? |
| 14:57:51 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: it's non-interleaved |
| 14:58:06 | JdGordon | quick and dirty /me guesses |
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| 15:00:03 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I didn't suggest you avoid fixing the screens api though... |
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| 15:00:35 | JdGordon | haha, no, that should definatly wait for amiconn's lcd rework |
| 15:00:36 | pixelma | JdGordon: what icons could be used on the M5/X5 remote? (it's greyscale) |
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| 15:01:20 | JdGordon | umm, does the white come out as transparent on them? |
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| 15:01:57 | pixelma | don't know, I don't own such a remote |
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| 15:02:44 | JdGordon | checking in the sim |
| 15:03:22 | LinusN | pixelma: ah, yes, i'll see if i can fix that somehow |
| 15:06:36 | JdGordon | linuxstb: ok, now I see what your talkign about... didnt know we had two different remote lcd formats... for the time being we'll just have to use some naughty ifdeffing |
| 15:06:53 | linuxstb | q&d? |
| 15:07:41 | JdGordon | yep |
| 15:08:05 | * | JdGordon checks out the usb screen code to see how to do q&d the correct way :) |
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| 15:12:53 | kahn | bah sorry to act nub but without removing rockbox how can i boot into apples firmware to solve the transfer rate issue. even a linky would be good =) |
| 15:14:24 | linuxstb | Either hold MENU or turn the hold switch on immediately your ipod boots (i.e. before backlight comes on) |
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| 15:14:47 | linuxstb | Or probably just turning the hold switch on in Rockbox, then inserting USB would do the trick |
| 15:17:58 | kahn | ah legend |
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| 15:22:22 | Forte | ok, i got my mini working |
| 15:22:32 | Forte | is it the same installer for video |
| 15:22:56 | linuxstb | Yes, but a different rockbox.zip |
| 15:23:03 | Forte | k |
| 15:23:07 | Forte | i have that mini one |
| 15:23:18 | Forte | wheres the installer again |
| 15:23:18 | Forte | lol |
| 15:23:23 | linuxstb | The fonts are the same though. |
| 15:23:53 | linuxstb | The manual has the download link for the installer |
| 15:24:12 | Forte | k |
| 15:26:43 | XavierGr | Linus: Do you happen to have an H300 open at the moment? |
| 15:28:16 | Forte | sweet |
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| 15:28:23 | Forte | i have 2 ipods with rockbox now |
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| 15:45:45 | Forte | well its dead in here |
| 15:46:31 | markun | Forte: ok, then let me congratulate you :) |
| 15:46:40 | markun | how do you like rockbox so far? |
| 15:47:25 | bluebrother | people tend to do other stuff as well ... |
| 15:48:00 | Forte | its great |
| 15:48:06 | Forte | my ipod mini actually works now |
| 15:49:45 | JdGordon | amiconn: OK, viewers.config is killing this... could we just put those icons in the same file as the rest of the icons? worst case is it adds a few low res icons which wont be used |
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| 16:02:14 | linuxstb | Is there a reason to support user-configurable icons in viewers.config at all? I can't think of a reason why someone would want to add a new icon, just associate existing icons with new extensions. |
| 16:04:47 | Siltaar | Hello, I'm looking for Flash memory lifetime information |
| 16:05:17 | Siltaar | in order to compare it with HD lifetime |
| 16:05:18 | | Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h162n1fls34o1010.telia.com) |
| 16:05:32 | Siltaar | lifetime in MTBF and/or writing cycles |
| 16:05:56 | Siltaar | any idea where to search for it ? |
| 16:07:23 | linuxstb | The website of the manufacturer of the flash chips... |
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| 16:08:23 | Siltaar | sure... so where to learn which chip is in which player ? |
| 16:08:47 | Siltaar | (it's not reported in the DeviceChart page...) |
| 16:09:32 | linuxstb | The wiki pages for the individual ports should list the components - see the index here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome |
| 16:09:43 | B4gder | I think it is a bit too naive to just compare the hdd vs flash chips when thinking mtbf |
| 16:09:52 | webguest20 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUCY1BIoww8 ;) |
| 16:09:52 | linuxstb | For the ipods, information is in the ipodlinux wiki - http://ipodlinux.org/Generations |
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| 16:10:30 | ender` | if anybody else has problems building m68k-gcc on amd64, this patch seems to solve them: http://gcc.gnu.org/viewcvs?view=rev&revision=117181 |
| 16:10:50 | linuxstb | B4gder: You mean other components will be more likely to fail first? |
| 16:11:05 | B4gder | yes, or rather at least risk failing first |
| 16:11:48 | B4gder | in today's manufacturing I bet they go for cheap chips that have a limited life expectance, not paying for more than what they need to |
| 16:11:51 | ender` | (this should probably be added to the wiki, but i wasn't registered, and it'll take a while for the email to arrive, since we've got greylisting at work) |
| 16:12:38 | Siltaar | ok, I'll see, thanks :-) |
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| 16:13:40 | Mr | hey guys, im having a slight problem with a theme i loaded |
| 16:14:08 | Mr | called blue5g |
| 16:14:38 | Mr | the text is not in exactly the right place, as in it shows, but it does not show in the right areas of the screen |
| 16:14:44 | Mr | any way to edit these files? |
| 16:15:04 | jhMikeS | sansa time! bbl |
| 16:15:10 | GodEater | Mr: did you download the font pack ? |
| 16:16:03 | linuxstb | Mr: Is that the WPS that says "IMPORTANT: In order for this theme to properly work, you need to have the same patches required for the iPod Green5g theme (again, as mentioned in PiesJulius? original post)." next to the download link? |
| 16:16:34 | Mr | i got the font pack |
| 16:16:49 | Mr | although I throught the fonts needed were included |
| 16:17:03 | Mr | the wording is there, however it is placed wrong... |
| 16:17:39 | linuxstb | Huh? Where do you think the wording should be? |
| 16:17:55 | B4gder | I think he means the words on the screen of his ipod |
| 16:18:15 | Mr | http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=320x240x16 |
| 16:18:29 | Mr | go there, half way down, there is something called PJ Blue |
| 16:18:40 | Mr | the text is too far to the left, and is getting slightly cut off |
| 16:19:07 | linuxstb | Mr: OK, that says "Minimum version: senab build". That means it won't work with an official build. |
| 16:19:13 | B4gder | and you run the senab build? |
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| 16:19:26 | Mr | where does it say that? |
| 16:19:34 | Mr | crap |
| 16:19:35 | Mr | sorryu |
| 16:19:49 | Mr | is that a major change? |
| 16:19:58 | B4gder | on the page you pointed us to |
| 16:20:18 | B4gder | it is a custom build |
| 16:20:26 | B4gder | not "official" rockbox |
| 16:20:29 | Mr | i see it now |
| 16:21:06 | linuxstb | And we can't know all the changes each author of an unofficial Rockbox build has made... You'll need to ask them. |
| 16:21:12 | amiconn | linuxstb: Someone might add an own viewer and want a separate icon for it. Or associate different extensions for the same viewer with different icons, where the default viewers.config uses the same one. Or.. |
| 16:21:28 | Neovanglist | any of the ipod5g guys around? |
| 16:21:42 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, but my question is does that ever happen in practice? |
| 16:21:43 | Mr | so basically without that EXACT one this can be expected |
| 16:22:12 | linuxstb | amiconn: I mean, we can still support different extensions, but hard-code the supported filetypes (and hence icons) in the core - the same way as codecs. |
| 16:22:23 | Mr | forgive me, im not familiar with how the Ipod Operating System works... |
| 16:22:39 | Neovanglist | senab builds are svn + albumart + brightness + cop (optional) + some other misc stuff |
| 16:22:48 | amiconn | I'm not sure, but it might. I don't see why we would not want this flexibility here, while in a different place we have more flexibility than (imho) needed |
| 16:23:05 | Neovanglist | you can make "senab compatible" builds yourself, you just need go get the patches (which are mostly in the bugtracking system on rockbox.org anyway) |
| 16:23:11 | markun | Mr: by ipod OS you mean rockbox? |
| 16:23:14 | B4gder | Mr: if you get a theme that is for a custom build, you really should use that build or expect to have to tweak the theme yourself |
| 16:23:24 | amiconn | (yes, I'm talking about .wps bitmaps here, and the all-bitmaps-in-a-single-BMP idea) |
| 16:23:33 | Mr | say, wait |
| 16:24:06 | Mr | the version I have does not specify any specific mods... would you know what program would edit the Themes? |
| 16:24:16 | Mr | or any specific version... |
| 16:24:31 | B4gder | it said "min version: senab build" |
| 16:24:35 | Forte | dude my mini killed me and my friends pcs |
| 16:24:47 | B4gder | Mr: and you edit WPSes with any text editor |
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| 16:25:15 | markun | Forte: in what way are they killed now? |
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| 16:27:02 | Neovanglist | btw, is there a development/coding development channel? |
| 16:27:23 | Mr | okay last question for the moment, how do I apply .patch files? |
| 16:27:36 | Neovanglist | I have some nitty gritty hardware stuff I'd like to discuss, but it seems there is a lot of noise here :) |
| 16:27:38 | B4gder | Neovanglist: this is really the only rockbox channel |
| 16:27:43 | B4gder | Mr: see the wiki |
| 16:27:43 | Neovanglist | okay |
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| 16:28:19 | B4gder | and we love nitty gritty hardware |
| 16:29:23 | markun | Neovanglist: so, what's the problem? |
| 16:29:30 | tchan | if any rockbox users are still looking for NEW gigabeat F40s, here's a really good price link that I also pasted in #gigabeat: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0007U0INM/ref=nosim/?tag=dealnewscom168-20 |
| 16:30:18 | Neovanglist | markun: not so much a problem, more just some techincal discussion |
| 16:30:42 | Neovanglist | I tore into the rockbox source and did quite a lot of work with it recently, and am interested in the iPod 5G hardware |
| 16:30:57 | linuxstb | Neovanglist: You're the person who's improved the LCD driver? |
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| 16:31:11 | Neovanglist | yea, I more or less rewrote it, but I'm still not sure how "correct" things are |
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| 16:31:20 | Neovanglist | also did some fast alpha blitting and lightmask routines |
| 16:31:24 | linuxstb | Which part? The lcd-ipodvideo.c or lcd-16bit.c ? |
| 16:31:42 | perl|work | tchan nice price, really |
| 16:31:52 | Neovanglist | the one in target ipodvideo I think, the lcd one is less specific iirc |
| 16:32:06 | Neovanglist | lcd-16bit that is |
| 16:33:25 | Neovanglist | also something should really be done about playing audio from the plugin side :) |
| 16:33:30 | markun | Neovanglist: can you make a patch to look at? |
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| 16:33:32 | linuxstb | If we ignore anything you've done to lcd-16bit.c, what's changed in lcd-ipodvideo.c? |
| 16:33:40 | linuxstb | i.e. what functional improvement is there? |
| 16:33:45 | Mr | okay guys all fixed thanks a bunch, lol liek the new intro screen |
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| 16:34:28 | Neovanglist | mostly optimization and a better way to pack the stuff/hit the regs |
| 16:34:47 | Neovanglist | also I'm not totally sure why you are always using halfworlds when hitting registers |
| 16:35:01 | Neovanglist | I guess there was some arm quirkiness with bus width that could require it |
| 16:35:03 | linuxstb | No-one is sure about anything when it comes to ipod hardware.... |
| 16:35:05 | Neovanglist | but 32bit worked quite well for me |
| 16:35:58 | Neovanglist | also |
| 16:36:05 | Neovanglist | the duffs device in the draw code... |
| 16:36:12 | Neovanglist | what the hell? :) |
| 16:36:34 | linuxstb | It worked - i.e. it gave a measurable speedup compared to the code it replaced... |
| 16:36:35 | Neovanglist | I understand why... but still :P |
| 16:36:56 | Neovanglist | yea, it looks like it was so you could do batched stores in variable amounts |
| 16:37:06 | Neovanglist | ie, variable loop unrolling |
| 16:37:08 | Forte | yeah so my ipod mini died |
| 16:37:11 | Forte | again |
| 16:37:17 | B4gder | Neovanglist: we usually work interative, we improve things gradually where people like to work on stuff |
| 16:37:31 | Neovanglist | nod |
| 16:37:37 | linuxstb | Neovanglist: How much of a speedup have you gained with your lcd-ipodvideo.c driver changes? |
| 16:38:01 | Neovanglist | well the thing is my driver changes and way of drawing more or less bypassed the entire existing pixel write interface, so they aren't really appliciable at the moment |
| 16:38:09 | Neovanglist | I was doing some democoding, and hitting my routines directly from a plugin |
| 16:38:15 | Neovanglist | (even though it's not really safe) |
| 16:38:30 | Neovanglist | but they did get nice things on screen and with good speedup |
| 16:38:43 | Neovanglist | however I didn't do any real benchmarks, could just tell that my stuff was running considerable smoother |
| 16:38:49 | Neovanglist | *considerably |
| 16:39:11 | linuxstb | Did you remove the "finishup" delay? |
| 16:39:23 | Neovanglist | I tried with and without |
| 16:39:33 | Neovanglist | I don't really get why it's needed, it "works" without it |
| 16:39:47 | Neovanglist | it seems completely unreasonable to me that it should be needed |
| 16:39:51 | linuxstb | It doesn't work without it... |
| 16:39:52 | Forte | well |
| 16:39:57 | Forte | my video is freezing now |
| 16:39:58 | linuxstb | You'll get corrupted output on the LCD. |
| 16:39:59 | B4gder | to me it doesn't sound like you've tested enough |
| 16:40:11 | Neovanglist | worked fine with my stuff, I was drawing uncorrupted video on the LCD without using it |
| 16:40:15 | Neovanglist | at least not using it every frame |
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| 16:40:32 | Neovanglist | I'm not sure if the rockbox stuff was calling it in the background in another thread or something |
| 16:40:48 | Neovanglist | but I had my own code which was sending data to the in port on the lcd controller and manging my own framebuffers |
| 16:40:50 | linuxstb | No, all UI stuff is done in the main thread - and plugins run in the main thread. |
| 16:40:53 | Neovanglist | and my video worked fine |
| 16:41:06 | Neovanglist | I can show my functions if you like |
| 16:41:11 | Neovanglist | just would need to grab them |
| 16:41:27 | linuxstb | Sure, but it doesn't sound like they'll be applicable to the standard LCD driver. |
| 16:41:34 | Neovanglist | sure, which is what I said :) |
| 16:41:56 | Neovanglist | however I think there must be a better general way of drawing in general which can yield some benefit |
| 16:42:12 | linuxstb | So I'm not quite sure what you're saying - apart from bypassing a device-independent API is giving speed improvements... |
| 16:42:23 | Neovanglist | also I've been reading some things that says the broadcom chip has a setup engine and some kind of rasterization ability, however it's impossible to get docs |
| 16:43:11 | B4gder | it could have all sorts of magic |
| 16:43:13 | markun | Neovanglist: the lack of docs are a problem for all ipod hardware unfortunately |
| 16:43:14 | Neovanglist | let me look at my code, I can't remember exactly what the difference are |
| 16:43:41 | markun | Neovanglist: can you post a 'svn diff' somewhere? |
| 16:44:25 | Neovanglist | like I said, I didn't actually stick a lot of my code in that lcd driver file itself as not to break the rest of rockbox, I was just using my own lcd controller and drawing routines in my plugin, but they are doing the same things the lcd driver is |
| 16:44:34 | Neovanglist | setting up the regs, pushing data, etc |
| 16:44:47 | linuxstb | I guess the broadcom chip does whatever the firmware it is running is programmed to do. IIUC, that firmware is stored in the ipod's flash ROM and loaded onto the broadcom chip by the Apple bootloader (also in flash rom) |
| 16:44:51 | Neovanglist | so they would have to be worked in still, and like was said above, a lot of the gain may have been api bypassing |
| 16:45:09 | Neovanglist | ah, so the dsp is microcoded? |
| 16:45:20 | B4gder | coded at least |
| 16:45:25 | linuxstb | It's just a general-purpose processor with video DSP features iiuc. |
| 16:45:43 | linuxstb | It could probably run the ipod by itself... |
| 16:46:04 | markun | :) |
| 16:46:27 | Neovanglist | well the reason I brought up dev is because I was interested in starting a collaborative group documentation/reversing effort on ipod |
| 16:46:30 | Neovanglist | with the linux guys as well |
| 16:46:40 | Neovanglist | so we can build a real register map for both chips, and etc |
| 16:47:10 | linuxstb | There's lots of interest in the portalplayer chips amongst the Rockbox devs, but I'm not sure if anyone cares about the Broadcom chip - it's only used in one target. |
| 16:47:26 | Neovanglist | I am looking into doing a low level platform sdk for the 5g, similar to ps2sdk (ps2dev.org) for homebrew coding |
| 16:47:34 | Neovanglist | and would like to share efforts as far as research goes |
| 16:47:43 | Neovanglist | since I can't really use any of your code in my own stuff |
| 16:47:54 | linuxstb | You're not going to GPL it? |
| 16:47:56 | B4gder | "any" ? |
| 16:48:01 | amiconn | Neovanglist: If you run video without the finishup delay it will most likely work because the frame decoding guarantees some delay between lcd updates. That no longer hold if you use it for general stuff |
| 16:48:11 | B4gder | so you're writing a new OS too? |
| 16:48:13 | Neovanglist | the ps2sdk/pspsdk/etc stuff is traditionally AFL |
| 16:48:22 | Neovanglist | and AFL is not GPL compat due to some technicalities |
| 16:48:38 | Neovanglist | well the ps2 environment is more just like some low level support stuff you link into your ELF |
| 16:48:44 | Neovanglist | it's mostly used for game/demo coding |
| 16:48:54 | B4gder | eh, you can't mix anything that isn't GPL compatible with Rockbox |
| 16:49:08 | Neovanglist | oh, well if I was commiting to rockbox I would GPL it myself of course |
| 16:49:13 | Neovanglist | but I'm porting the ps2dev framework to ipod |
| 16:49:14 | B4gder | goodie |
| 16:49:14 | Neovanglist | which is AFL |
| 16:49:26 | Neovanglist | it's for a different use/purpose than rockbox |
| 16:49:28 | linuxstb | That sounds like a nasty license headache... |
| 16:49:42 | Neovanglist | yea, but that decision was a long time ago :) |
| 16:49:42 | B4gder | Neovanglist: what exactly is the purpose? |
| 16:49:52 | Neovanglist | B4gder: homebrew/demo code |
| 16:49:57 | Neovanglist | and general platform experiementation |
| 16:49:59 | Neovanglist | check out ps2dev.org |
| 16:50:19 | Neovanglist | the 5.5G really has a lot of hardware that could be used |
| 16:50:20 | B4gder | well, rockbox is also for "homebrew", just not demo |
| 16:50:21 | linuxstb | So it basically means you have to write _everything_ from scratch - you can't take any IPL or Rockbox code... |
| 16:50:28 | Neovanglist | and is interesting for the same reason PSP, etc is |
| 16:50:51 | B4gder | sounds like a ... lot of duplicate work |
| 16:50:59 | Neovanglist | linuxstb: sure, but this is nothing different from me than while doing PS2SDK and PSPSDK, etc :) |
| 16:51:11 | Neovanglist | it's not going to be an OS, just some lightweight libs to let you bootstrap and runs ELFs |
| 16:51:16 | Neovanglist | *run |
| 16:51:18 | linuxstb | As B4gder said, a lot of duplicated work... |
| 16:51:28 | Neovanglist | and yes, it is, but I don't think it's too bad |
| 16:51:36 | Neovanglist | I already have a lot of AFL code to base it on |
| 16:51:38 | Neovanglist | from GBA and such |
| 16:51:48 | Neovanglist | I'm mostly just interested in getting a good community documentation project going |
| 16:51:54 | B4gder | lightweight libs don't work |
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| 16:52:08 | B4gder | unless they are GPL compatible of course |
| 16:52:23 | B4gder | or not distributed |
| 16:52:30 | Neovanglist | like I said, I'm not intending for my project to be a part of rockbox |
| 16:52:40 | Neovanglist | it's something else that I'm interested in working on |
| 16:52:52 | Neovanglist | I'd just like to get some shared documentation going on |
| 16:52:56 | B4gder | I must agree I don't follow you |
| 16:52:58 | Neovanglist | so we have a good reference base for development on the platform |
| 16:53:05 | B4gder | uh, admit |
| 16:53:08 | * | B4gder can't type |
| 16:53:13 | linuxstb | It would just seem simpler to have a reference codebase... |
| 16:53:38 | * | B4gder agrees with linuxstb |
| 16:53:38 | linuxstb | But I would be happy to help contribute to some documentation. |
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| 16:53:57 | Forte2 | helo |
| 16:54:01 | linuxstb | Although I see the license issue coming back again and again and preventing collaboration... |
| 16:54:05 | Forte2 | my video ipod stalls at the apple screen |
| 16:54:10 | Forte2 | and my mini crashes pcs |
| 16:54:11 | Neovanglist | linuxstb: ? |
| 16:54:27 | Neovanglist | documentation is documentation, code created with info from it should not be license tainted in that way... |
| 16:54:38 | Neovanglist | the documentation could be under BSD license for all I care |
| 16:54:40 | Neovanglist | which is compat with both |
| 16:55:34 | Neovanglist | bottom line is I'd just like to make some docs which have stuff like the CPU, DMA, Cache, Memory Map, Registers, etc documented to the best of our ability :) |
| 16:55:42 | Neovanglist | so that myself and others can use them to create new cool stuff on the platform. |
| 16:55:45 | Neovanglist | without all of the guesswork |
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| 16:56:23 | markun | Neovanglist: did you get a lot of response from the ipl guys? |
| 16:56:41 | Forte2 | lol help |
| 16:56:53 | Neovanglist | haven't talked to them yet, intend to do so in the next day or two |
| 16:57:21 | Neovanglist | I'm in the process of setting up a site/wiki as part of the ps2dev network which can be used for collaboration and some initial documentation work |
| 16:58:40 | B4gder | what's wrong with our or ipl's existing wikis? |
| 16:59:10 | B4gder | using ipl's wiki would probably be suitable, seeing as they started the low level hunt |
| 16:59:18 | Neovanglist | well I didn't find much updated information there :) |
| 16:59:35 | Forte2 | im pissed |
| 16:59:35 | Neovanglist | they have a memory map but it doesn't look right from what I can tell |
| 16:59:36 | B4gder | I don't think there are may low-level iplers |
| 16:59:38 | markun | Neovanglist: but because it's a wiki you can do that yourself :) |
| 16:59:39 | Forte2 | my ipod died |
| 16:59:44 | Forte2 | both of them |
| 16:59:56 | markun | Forte2: weird, what did you do to them? |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:13 | Forte2 | i plugged the mini in |
| 17:00:17 | Neovanglist | markun: sure, but I'm not totally sure about what is going on yet myself :) |
| 17:00:18 | Forte2 | and it killed the video |
| 17:00:21 | Forte2 | dunno how |
| 17:00:22 | Forte2 | but it did |
| 17:00:37 | markun | the mini killed the video? |
| 17:00:44 | Forte2 | yeah |
| 17:00:49 | Forte2 | now the video wont even boot past the apple |
| 17:01:01 | Neovanglist | for example, there is a lot of stuff like lcd_bcm_read32(0x1F8);... so what is 0x1F8... someone must know what it is :) |
| 17:01:15 | Neovanglist | I've documented some of the 0x3xxxxxxx range stuff myself |
| 17:01:35 | Neovanglist | but that was just the obivious stuff from reading existing code |
| 17:01:42 | linuxstb | Neovanglist: It's just that there's a lot more to understanding the hardware than listing registers - sharing code is far more productive. But I understand why you're not using the GPL. |
| 17:01:57 | Neovanglist | sure |
| 17:02:10 | Neovanglist | well if people would be interested in using it, I could make my own low level hardware code BSD licensed |
| 17:02:14 | Neovanglist | instead of AFL |
| 17:02:17 | Neovanglist | since that's AFL and GPL compat |
| 17:02:39 | Neovanglist | and try to make it in a way that it's usable as a hardware interface library for other projects |
| 17:02:53 | linuxstb | I assume the issue is that the people using your library aren't open source people? |
| 17:03:07 | Neovanglist | well, lots are |
| 17:03:08 | B4gder | I don't see much benefit for Rockbox at the end of this |
| 17:03:21 | markun | B4gder: but no loss either |
| 17:03:25 | Neovanglist | for example if you look at ps2dev there are quite a lot of other open projects in SVN |
| 17:03:31 | Neovanglist | but with demo coding for example |
| 17:03:42 | Neovanglist | it's quite customary to just release an executable for the demo competition and that's it |
| 17:03:46 | B4gder | markun: it depends if lots of energy and time is spent on it by Rockbox people instead of doing other good things |
| 17:03:53 | Neovanglist | well |
| 17:03:57 | Neovanglist | the documentation benefits everyone |
| 17:04:36 | markun | Neovanglist: if you buy a Gigabeat you don't need to worry so much about secret hardware :) |
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| 17:04:44 | Neovanglist | and if there is working license agnostic reference code as a library, then that is also helpful :) |
| 17:05:02 | Neovanglist | markun: well the neat thing about stuff like the pspdev/ps2dev projects is that there are tons of people who have the hardware right now and can start playing with things |
| 17:05:11 | Neovanglist | I agree that open embedded platforms rock |
| 17:06:04 | markun | well, it wasn't exactly an open platform, but most of the documentation could be found online |
| 17:06:20 | Neovanglist | nod |
| 17:07:11 | Neovanglist | also, as was with the ps2/psp dev communities, once we had a way to start running code and a basic sdk for them to use, we got a large amount of people doing their own apps/demos/games with that code, and ultimately contributing information back into the community |
| 17:08:31 | B4gder | I would rather see Rockbox be that platform to run things upon |
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| 17:08:50 | B4gder | wouldn't even be limited to just some ipods |
| 17:08:56 | Neovanglist | yes but you must understand that your development model is quite different then this other one :) |
| 17:09:10 | Neovanglist | this stuff is all about going bare metal and pushing the most out of the hardware for fun/learning |
| 17:09:11 | B4gder | I don't think that needs to be an issue |
| 17:09:18 | linuxstb | That's very different to Rockbox though - we support so many devices, there's no time to try and squeeze every last cycle out of every platform... |
| 17:09:28 | Neovanglist | sure, which is totally understandable :) |
| 17:09:48 | B4gder | having people around who did that would improve rockbox on such targets |
| 17:10:17 | B4gder | time to run |
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| 17:10:22 | perl|work | ipod as a demo platform? please no |
| 17:10:33 | markun | perl|work: why do you care? |
| 17:11:01 | perl|work | markun haha, i used to be in the "demoscene", oh well |
| 17:11:37 | Forte2 | ok i got the ipod into disc mode |
| 17:11:40 | Neovanglist | perl|work: well it has comparable hardware to newish handhelds which people do demos for now, just more sketchy documentation :) |
| 17:11:43 | Forte2 | where is the ipod fixer |
| 17:11:46 | Forte2 | from apple |
| 17:12:00 | linuxstb | It's called "itunes" |
| 17:12:52 | Forte2 | wtf windows said i need to format the drive |
| 17:12:55 | Forte2 | do i want to do that |
| 17:13:02 | Forte2 | i think i corrupted it |
| 17:13:18 | markun | Forte2: yes, sounds like it |
| 17:13:30 | perl|work | Neovanglist speaking of demos, fr-041 is a mindblowing piece of code |
| 17:13:32 | markun | were you unpluggin your ipod while copying stuff? |
| 17:13:39 | Neovanglist | perl|work: sure is |
| 17:13:42 | perl|work | which i saw just yesterday |
| 17:13:42 | Neovanglist | perl|work: were you are breakpoint? |
| 17:13:47 | Forte2 | no but the mini was messign with explorer |
| 17:13:54 | Forte2 | it crashes it randomly |
| 17:14:00 | perl|work | Neovanglist havent been to a party in decades |
| 17:14:09 | Neovanglist | ah |
| 17:14:24 | perl|work | but that demo, it splits the time to before and after it basically |
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| 17:15:17 | Forte2 | if i let windows format the ipod |
| 17:15:22 | Forte2 | can i still fix it back |
| 17:15:25 | Forte2 | to normal |
| 17:15:40 | Neovanglist | well with 2 CPUs and a DSP the 5G is actually quite a bit more powerful then stuff like the gameboyadvance |
| 17:15:47 | Neovanglist | and people are even doing 3D software raster demos on that :) |
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| 17:17:14 | markun | Neovanglist: isn't the broadcom chip dual core as well? |
| 17:17:26 | Neovanglist | dunno, couldn't find any good docs on it |
| 17:17:29 | Insectoid[1] | Has anyone done any messing with Flite for Rockbox? I found a version for IPL ages ago −− I can give a URL (if I can find it again.) I think it'd be a great alternative to prerecording voice clips. |
| 17:17:37 | Neovanglist | but it's being use for some mobile phone/game platforms too |
| 17:17:42 | Neovanglist | and has quite a lot of features |
| 17:17:58 | markun | Insectoid[1]: someone is planning to port flite to rockbox during the summer |
| 17:18:07 | Forte2 | wow |
| 17:18:11 | Forte2 | itunes doenst load up |
| 17:18:12 | markun | Insectoid[1]: although I still would prefer him to port eSpeak :) |
| 17:18:13 | Forte2 | on vista |
| 17:18:38 | markun | Forte2: it sounds more like you have problems with your PCs than with your iPods |
| 17:18:54 | Insectoid[1] | Yech. eSpeak. I actually know someone that got DECtalk running in IPL. |
| 17:19:35 | markun | Insectoid[1]: I still think eSpeak has a lot more potential |
| 17:19:48 | markun | but he can port whatever he wants of course |
| 17:19:53 | Forte2 | no |
| 17:20:03 | Forte2 | my pc is the best laptop on the market |
| 17:20:07 | Forte2 | when i disconect the ipod |
| 17:20:09 | Forte2 | itunes loads |
| 17:20:11 | Forte2 | its the ipod |
| 17:20:18 | markun | right |
| 17:20:39 | Insectoid[1] | Markun, why eSpeak? |
| 17:20:41 | perl|work | markun on-screen unicode keyboard would rock as well :P |
| 17:20:57 | markun | perl|work: what do you mean? |
| 17:21:28 | markun | Insectoid[1]: because it is smaller, supports many languages and it actively being developed |
| 17:21:52 | markun | perl|work: the vkeyboard supports unicode |
| 17:21:56 | perl|work | well, this idea: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VKeyboardDesignProposal |
| 17:22:15 | Insectoid[1] | But when it comes to overall quality... eSpeak just sounds scary. One of the reasons that a synth would be nice would be reading books, etc. |
| 17:22:42 | markun | Insectoid[1]: I've read many books with eSpeak |
| 17:22:54 | markun | maybe I'm scary :) |
| 17:23:19 | Insectoid[1] | Turn my iPod into a portable ebook reader. |
| 17:23:42 | markun | Insectoid[1]: you can help with the flite port, then I will do the eSpeak one when I get time |
| 17:24:45 | perl|work | markun so there's a way to display a non english keyboard? |
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| 17:25:53 | Insectoid[1] | Markun, you're scary. −− How can I help? |
| 17:26:05 | markun | perl|work: yes, just type the chars you want in a text file, give it a .kbd extension and 'run' it |
| 17:26:33 | perl|work | markun isnt it ascii ? |
| 17:26:40 | markun | UTF-8 |
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| 17:26:52 | Forte2 | wtf |
| 17:26:58 | Forte2 | these programs are messed up |
| 17:27:00 | perl|work | i tried it with cyrillic characters |
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| 17:27:03 | perl|work | i didnt work |
| 17:27:07 | perl|work | it |
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| 17:27:22 | markun | can you show your file? |
| 17:27:40 | Forte2 | yeah |
| 17:27:43 | Forte2 | itunes is like |
| 17:27:46 | Forte2 | frozen |
| 17:27:50 | Forte2 | and windows is like |
| 17:27:52 | Forte2 | a dude |
| 17:27:52 | Forte2 | what |
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| 17:28:42 | perl|work | markun its on home computer, ill look into it more |
| 17:28:53 | markun | perl|work: let me try something then |
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| 17:29:44 | perl|work | markun so basically i can have a random set of characters there, like latin and cyrillic lets say, and use for dict plugin for example? |
| 17:30:41 | markun | I've never tried the dict plugin. Does it use the normal vkeyboard? |
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| 17:31:13 | Forte2 | wow |
| 17:31:15 | Forte2 | itunes is all |
| 17:31:24 | perl|work | markun it does |
| 17:31:27 | Forte2 | yeah we cant figure out what software to put on the ipod |
| 17:31:30 | perl|work | works very good with english |
| 17:36:35 | markun | perl|work: do you have any rockboxed player with you? |
| 17:36:37 | Insectoid | While copying files to my Ipod, I keep getting messages similar to: |
| 17:36:39 | Insectoid | Cannot create or replace :Rubber Soul Data error (cyclic redundancy check). |
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| 17:36:56 | perl|work | markun yes |
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| 17:37:04 | sent | hi |
| 17:37:09 | markun | perl|work: try this: http://130.89.160.166/cyrillic.kbd |
| 17:38:07 | Forte2 | apparently windows is gonna format it |
| 17:38:12 | Forte2 | mabey |
| 17:38:12 | markun | perl|work: I think we should include some keyboard layouts with rockbox |
| 17:39:24 | amiconn | That'll be difficult, with all the various lcd resolutions and possible font sizes |
| 17:39:30 | sent | so, new ipod nano (8gb) is not supported, eh?;/ |
| 17:39:37 | sent | anyone working on that |
| 17:39:39 | sent | ? |
| 17:39:42 | amiconn | vkeyboard uses the ui font when a .kbd is loaded |
| 17:40:46 | markun | amiconn: we could at least supply some for people to hand edit if they want |
| 17:41:23 | Forte2 | why would you want an 8 gb ipod nano |
| 17:41:29 | Forte2 | the 30 gb ipod video is like |
| 17:41:33 | Forte2 | 50 bux more |
| 17:41:38 | perl|work | markun ok local usb cable doesnt work, i still have to wait till i get home |
| 17:41:42 | markun | Forte2: because it doesn't have any moving parts |
| 17:42:11 | sent | Forte, coz I HAVE IT already |
| 17:42:11 | Forte2 | my ipod is trying to format |
| 17:42:17 | sent | so? |
| 17:42:31 | Forte2 | id think the normal nano stuff should work |
| 17:42:38 | sent | I dont really use it anyway... was wanting to put some autoindexing onto it |
| 17:42:41 | sent | coz itunes is pain |
| 17:42:48 | markun | sent: there is noone actively working on it, but we would like to support it |
| 17:42:54 | sent | u reckon I shud try it? |
| 17:43:09 | Forte2 | dunno |
| 17:43:09 | markun | the problem is that it has completely different hardware from all the other ipods |
| 17:43:12 | sent | markun, so I better not to try the current version for ipods? |
| 17:43:13 | Forte2 | all my ipods are dieing |
| 17:43:21 | sent | oh, I see |
| 17:43:24 | sent | itunes = pain ;/ |
| 17:43:26 | Forte2 | well |
| 17:43:27 | markun | sent: no, that would be useless |
| 17:43:30 | Forte2 | my mini works now |
| 17:43:35 | sent | thanx for clearing that out |
| 17:43:36 | sent | guys |
| 17:43:36 | Forte2 | but my video is being stupid |
| 17:43:55 | sent | Im a bit upset by this fact tho |
| 17:44:07 | markun | sent: and they made it more difficult for us to hack it as well |
| 17:44:27 | sent | their work is in progress too ;P |
| 17:44:38 | markun | yes, unfortunately :) |
| 17:44:42 | sent | haha |
| 17:44:51 | sent | yeah, pretty much of a lose ;/ |
| 17:44:56 | markun | I guess they are afraid of other companies copying their work |
| 17:45:04 | sent | yeah, probably |
| 17:45:06 | Forte2 | formatting the video in progress |
| 17:45:13 | Forte2 | and rockbox has half fixed the mini |
| 17:45:28 | markun | Forte2: just never connect it to a PC and you will be fine :) |
| 17:45:33 | sent | any other firmware replacment I could hook onto my nano? |
| 17:45:39 | markun | no |
| 17:45:39 | Forte2 | ipod linux |
| 17:45:45 | Forte2 | mabey |
| 17:45:47 | Forte2 | anyway |
| 17:45:51 | sent | xp here |
| 17:45:53 | Forte2 | im gonna nap |
| 17:45:56 | sent | xp on a mac ;D |
| 17:45:58 | markun | if ipod linux was working we would have a rockbox port in no time |
| 17:46:02 | Forte2 | and listen to my mini |
| 17:46:29 | sent | ok, thanx everyone |
| 17:46:31 | sent | peace out |
| 17:47:32 | markun | perl|work: can you remember what encoding you used for you .kbd file and in what way it wasn't working? |
| 17:47:48 | markun | Insectoid: I'm not sure what you can do right now |
| 17:47:57 | markun | to help with TTS I mean |
| 17:48:24 | preglow | markun: ooh, when/where? |
| 17:48:34 | preglow | i just recently heard a live set from belgium, sounds like good stuff |
| 17:48:43 | perl|work | markun i copied the cyrillic characters from the vkeyboard page and it displayed question marks |
| 17:48:45 | markun | Insectoid: a first step would be to make a flite (or eSpeak to make me happy :) rockbox plugin |
| 17:48:50 | perl|work | on the target |
| 17:48:55 | sent | russkie chto li? |
| 17:49:20 | markun | sent: even if they are, they will be asked to speak english :) |
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| 17:49:31 | sent | well, Im just sking |
| 17:49:34 | sent | asking* |
| 17:49:44 | markun | preglow: http://dourfestival.be/en/ |
| 17:49:52 | sent | sure they'll be asked |
| 17:50:19 | sent | Im russian anyway ;OP |
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| 17:50:33 | markun | looks like a korean emoticon :) |
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| 17:50:46 | sent | just some cranky typing |
| 17:51:11 | perl|work | markun did you do the same? |
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| 17:51:20 | perl|work | for your kbd set? |
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| 17:52:04 | markun | perl|work: yes, but notepad2 also gave me questionmarks so I pasted to vim over ssh |
| 17:52:12 | perl|work | markun dict plugin is pretty amazing btw heh |
| 17:52:26 | markun | never used it |
| 17:52:44 | perl|work | tons of free dictionaries and translators |
| 17:52:53 | amiconn | There is an old suggestion of mine how to improve the dict plugin |
| 17:53:08 | amiconn | Currently it uses 2 (hard coded) files for index+content |
| 17:53:27 | markun | preglow: any other interesting bands? |
| 17:53:34 | amiconn | It should be possible to put both parts in one file and turn dict.rock into a viewer |
| 17:53:56 | amiconn | ...so that you could 'play' multiple dictionaries |
| 17:54:12 | cloo | Hi all, I need an advice on my M5. I have no charger, so could USB cable be used instead of it during rockbox install? |
| 17:54:20 | markun | amiconn: I was expecting it to work like that already :) |
| 17:54:28 | perl|work | markun, aha, vim |
| 17:54:51 | Forte2 | wow my hdd shuts my music off kinda |
| 17:55:05 | Forte2 | wtf |
| 17:55:10 | preglow | markun: asking me that is somewhat fruitless, since i pretty much listen to everything |
| 17:55:32 | markun | preglow: I meant if you saw any nice band at Dour festival |
| 17:55:33 | amiconn | cloo: No, and that's independent of rockbox |
| 17:55:49 | Forte2 | takes a while to format 30 gigs over usb |
| 17:55:50 | Forte2 | :P |
| 17:55:51 | amiconn | You need a proper charger (either M5 charger or X5 charger + sub-pack) |
| 17:55:59 | preglow | markun: right, checking out |
| 17:56:18 | cloo | thanx alot... dammit. |
| 17:56:52 | amiconn | The cowon loader will only flash an m5_fw.bin (which is the rockbox bootloader in our case) if it's booted by plugging the charger. No way around that. |
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| 17:58:29 | preglow | markun: i'd check out clark, dj shadow, goldie, krs one, luke vibert, venetian snares and wu tang |
| 17:58:36 | preglow | just the ones i saw i know make good stuff |
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| 17:59:10 | * | aliask hearts dj shadow |
| 17:59:15 | markun | preglow: and there will be many more bands (over 200 total) |
| 17:59:18 | preglow | as you should |
| 17:59:34 | aliask | :) |
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| 18:00:04 | markun | preglow: are you planning to come? I'll buy you a Belgian beer :) |
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| 18:00:51 | preglow | haha |
| 18:00:56 | preglow | i've already got plans, i'm afraid |
| 18:01:07 | preglow | though i need to go to belgium sooner or later |
| 18:01:32 | markun | I'll remind you in time next year :) |
| 18:01:51 | preglow | sounds excellent |
| 18:02:20 | preglow | but now my body desperately needs a shower |
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| 18:03:15 | markun | perl|work: I had to switch encoding to UTF-8 in notepad2 for the pasting to work |
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| 18:04:03 | perl|work | markun got it |
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| 18:13:57 | markun | perl|work: what about something like this? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VKeyboardSamples |
| 18:15:43 | markun | amiconn: what do you think? |
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| 18:21:39 | perl|work | markun thats nice |
| 18:21:46 | perl|work | saves some trouble |
| 18:22:08 | markun | yes, just to make it a bit easier |
| 18:22:23 | markun | maybe people can attach their own keyboard files |
| 18:23:26 | perl|work | yeah would be nice to have some nice 2 languages layouts |
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| 18:28:07 | markun | perl|work: oops :) http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LoadableKeyboardLayouts |
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| 18:28:38 | markun | perl|work: I will merge them later |
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| 18:42:45 | xandl12 | Hi! Is mpegplayer currently broken on the sansa? because non of the videos which worked with the build 3days ago are not working anymore. |
| 18:45:26 | xandl12 | Sometimes I get a "FREEZE" on the bottom on the start of a video..sometimes the screen stays just black ..and no sound |
| 18:47:15 | jhMikeS | xand112: shouldn't be for long once I get rockbox installed ... so yeah some new problems were introduced |
| 18:51:00 | xandl12 | oh ok... good to hear :-) so I switch back to a later build, till it is working again |
| 18:52:24 | toffe82 | jhMikeS: you find something interesting on the lcd ? |
| 18:53:05 | jhMikeS | toffe82: not really...the chip is pretty much glued down face down and I could really see anything but glue |
| 18:54:02 | toffe82 | jhMikeS: you don't have some chemical to take of the glue ;) |
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| 18:55:24 | jhMikeS | the whole thing isn't what I pictured in my mind. it's just the wafer cemented down and I'm not sure what to do to free that atm |
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| 18:56:24 | jhMikeS | ummm...how to get sansa out of data abort? |
| 18:56:33 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Lcd controllers being chip-on-glass is quite common |
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| 18:57:02 | amiconn | And I don't think there's a method for non-destructive removal |
| 18:58:08 | jhMikeS | ahh...hold the darn power button for really long |
| 18:58:13 | jhMikeS | I wonder if some chemical method would work... |
| 18:59:50 | jhMikeS | the sansapatcher is the correct install or is that out of date? |
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| 19:00:34 | barrywardell | that's the correct install |
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| 19:01:55 | jhMikeS | hmmmm...data aborts fly at you fast here |
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| 19:03:48 | barrywardell | really? i haven't experienced many |
| 19:04:25 | jhMikeS | got one trying to just browse a directory |
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| 19:10:53 | jhMikeS | now, to discover whatever stupid thing I managed to do to mpegplayer :p |
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| 19:11:30 | barrywardell | have you seen http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6964 ? |
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| 19:12:11 | barrywardell | might not be the cause, but worth checking out |
| 19:12:15 | jhMikeS | hmmmm....no but interesting |
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| 19:12:31 | jhMikeS | one of my theories for the behavior was just something like that |
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| 19:12:56 | Wexlon | I want to install rockbox and play flac files. I'm curious how I put these flac files on to the ipod since iTunes won't. Anyone that can help? |
| 19:15:11 | bluebrother | use disk mode. |
| 19:15:54 | barrywardell | jhMikeS: there was talk about it on irc on the 4th of april |
| 19:17:07 | Wexlon | ok, thanks I will look at the logs |
| 19:17:15 | jhMikeS | barrywardell: My attendance and log checking has been spotty of late |
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| 19:19:44 | SliMM | back in business |
| 19:21:52 | jhMikeS | suppose I'll try explictly zeroing everything at startup |
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| 19:23:52 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The problem is that the plugin loader uses an assumption for its bss clearing which no longer holds as soon as the plugin is using iram for code or (constant) initialized data |
| 19:24:42 | amiconn | ...because the area in the plugin that holds the iram content is re-used for bss after copying the stuff to iram |
| 19:24:47 | jhMikeS | amiconn: so what is to be done? can this be fixed quickly? |
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| 19:25:22 | amiconn | I think the best fix would be to introduce another field in the plugin header that specifies the start of bss |
| 19:25:23 | jhMikeS | ok, so why was that left that when the data was recycled for bss? |
| 19:26:35 | jhMikeS | so that means a new variable in the linker script? |
| 19:26:35 | amiconn | This change could (and imho should) go with another change that I was planning to do for quite a while now: use the 4-letter target id (used in our swcodec bootloaders) instead of the current (arbitrary and unrelated) numeric id |
| 19:26:58 | SliMM | why can't be the plugins be compiled separatly? |
| 19:27:39 | * | jhMikeS 's dream is to be able to compile any particular plugin / codec separately and save some waiting |
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| 19:27:58 | amiconn | ..and use memcmp() for comparing the loadable type (plugin, codec etc) instead of direct comparison of the magic value (which makes it look weird in a hex editor for little endian targets - it's backwards) |
| 19:28:44 | amiconn | 'make' only compiles changed sources anyway. I don't think you'll save much time (says someone who uses slowish cygwin for building rockbox) |
| 19:29:08 | SliMM | jhMikeS: that is one of my dreams to |
| 19:29:34 | jhMikeS | it would help to have that cause sometimes it gets a lot of turnaround trying to probe for a bug |
| 19:29:58 | amiconn | and? |
| 19:30:15 | amiconn | Subsequent 'make's will only compile our single plugin anyway.... |
| 19:30:45 | SliMM | yes, it does, but it is pretty difficult (at least for beginners such as myself) to figure out how to compile the whole OS, apply patches etc. |
| 19:30:46 | jhMikeS | and? I wish it wouldn't even check the others...10s down the tubes |
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| 19:33:44 | jhMikeS | amiconn: so the iram content is just part of the normal bss section now and a start and end can be linked and used to zero it correct? |
| 19:34:06 | amiconn | Hmm.... |
| 19:34:16 | amiconn | In fact an extra field in the plugin header won't help |
| 19:34:40 | amiconn | With iram, the loader must not clear bss because that would wipe out the iram content prematurely |
| 19:34:49 | amiconn | Seems we need a proper plugin_crt0 |
| 19:35:05 | jhMikeS | can't do it in the iram init? |
| 19:36:11 | jhMikeS | at first I just want to see if clearing that has anything to do with the bug |
| 19:36:26 | amiconn | try it, it should probably work |
| 19:36:49 | amiconn | It could also be a different problem: something using bss _before_ iram init |
| 19:36:53 | * | jhMikeS enters some new rb aspects now |
| 19:37:50 | amiconn | That's why I suggested a proper crt0, which would be asm like the core crt0 |
| 19:38:05 | jhMikeS | well, right after checking for a parameter, it inits iram |
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| 19:41:08 | jhMikeS | amiconn: maybe we'll get there soon, but like I remember you saying, a plugin has to be able to offer the option to not stop playback |
| 19:42:04 | amiconn | Ah, that thing.... |
| 19:42:23 | amiconn | pfft. 'make' on an up-to-date build dir takes just 1.5 sec on linux. On cygwin it's longer though, roughly 30 seconds |
| 19:42:33 | amiconn | (swcodec target: h120) |
| 19:43:13 | jhMikeS | well, that's on linux. I think vmware must not be quite as fast as just running linux straight |
| 19:43:58 | SliMM | it isn't |
| 19:44:22 | * | amiconn checks |
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| 19:44:37 | jhMikeS | amiconn: this doesn't cover the remainder? -> memset(iramcopy, 0, iram_size); |
| 19:44:48 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Don't all the IRAM using plugins stop playback no matter what anyway? |
| 19:45:02 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Hmm, it should, but there's still the problem in the loader |
| 19:45:21 | jhMikeS | Llorean: they don't have to, they _can_ offer to decline it |
| 19:45:24 | amiconn | If the iram section is larger than bss, the plugin loader calls memset() with a negative count |
| 19:45:55 | amiconn | ...which makes it go bananas. At least the arm version will still write some bytes somewhere |
| 19:46:35 | jhMikeS | the size_t is unsigned so there is no negative ;) |
| 19:46:42 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Ah, so the option is "Stop playback, or don't run the plugin" I thought you meant "don't stop playback while still running the plugin" |
| 19:47:03 | amiconn | Tell that to memset ;) |
| 19:47:03 | Llorean | My brain's not working in order yet. |
| 19:47:17 | amiconn | And if it would be interpreted as unsigned, the effect would be even worse |
| 19:47:59 | amiconn | A solution that doesn't require changing headers could consist of 2 parts: |
| 19:48:16 | jhMikeS | obvious enough to make it get fixed sooner :) |
| 19:48:18 | amiconn | (1) make all plugins using iram overwrite the iramcopy with zeroes after copying |
| 19:48:58 | amiconn | (2) let the loader check for count < 0, and not call memset if so |
| 19:49:01 | jhMikeS | 1) is normal procedure afaik |
| 19:49:37 | jhMikeS | Plugins using IRAM are just suppose to use the two macros and forget about it |
| 19:49:38 | amiconn | Afaik it's not |
| 19:50:13 | jhMikeS | PLUGIN_IRAM_DECLARE, PLUGIN_IRAM_INIT(api) - that's it and I changed them all when I added it |
| 19:50:35 | Llorean | amiconn: 1.658 seconds here for a make with nothing to do. |
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| 19:51:50 | Llorean | jhMikeS: On a vaguely unrelated note: Did you see the discussion from earlier about how the Sansa seems incredibly unreliable for video right now? (The reporter thinks it plays one video but never again, I suspect it's just a case of being exceptionally unlikely to play video overall). |
| 19:51:53 | jhMikeS | plugin_size > readsize should do the trick and it's unsigned safe too |
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| 19:52:18 | jhMikeS | Llorean: that's what being addressed here and a possible reason for it |
| 19:53:00 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I thought so, but when I skimmed back in the logs I saw mention of a discussion on the 4th. I knew this related to that 32nd sample audio glitch thing, but wasn't sure if this was also the 'it doesn't work at all' thing or if that was your earlier commit. |
| 19:53:02 | SliMM | how is jdgordon with the icons? |
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| 19:54:02 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Umm, you're right. Didn't know the macro does this.... |
| 19:54:04 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I think it was the commit that perhaps made it worse or something but it's not new as far as I could determine...so I suppose it's time to find out why and fix it. |
| 19:54:39 | amiconn | Llorean: It's even only ~1.1 sec on my amd64 box. The debian vm on my laptop running on to of winxp needs ~3.2 sec |
| 19:55:08 | amiconn | Not too bad considering the difference in cpu and hdd performance... |
| 19:55:46 | Llorean | amiconn: Yeah, that 1.7 was on a middling laptop. |
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| 19:56:17 | * | jhMikeS probably needs more ram and less page swapping :D |
| 19:56:27 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I meant the "Hopefully help some problems on dual core." that is very recent. I've little doubt that your commit earlier is what made the Sansas so spiteful, they seem rather touchy. ;) |
| 19:57:27 | jhMikeS | Llorean: the initial mpegplayer commit made it worse...the second was a hopeful fix that had no effect |
| 19:57:29 | amiconn | The vm has just 256MB ram assigned. Host has a total of 1GB, with like 10 apps running in parallel |
| 19:58:07 | jhMikeS | I have 512MB here |
| 19:58:18 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Alright, thanks. Just trying to get caught up. :) |
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| 20:00:46 | amiconn | Wow, debian etch was released on the 8th. I didn't think that will ever happen... |
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| 20:01:38 | jhMikeS | that's the darndest thing...i'm getting black screen across resets |
| 20:01:39 | Lear | amiconn: main reason for slow Cygwin build is now svnversion, so I update docs/VERSION on svn update, thus avoiding that. |
| 20:02:41 | amiconn | How often is that called? If it's once per build, I wouldn't care... |
| 20:03:37 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I did too on my Sansa. I managed to get another video to play eventually, though I was trying different things to do it, and never figured out what worked. |
| 20:03:46 | Llorean | It may just be that "Mostly, video just won't play and sometimes you get lucky" |
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| 20:04:38 | jhMikeS | hehe...well it seems in favor of |
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| 20:05:55 | Lear | Twice per build, actually (not quite sure why). With a primed filesystem cache, each call takes ~5 seconds here. First call is ~60 seconds though... |
| 20:06:10 | Lear | As usual, much quicker on Linux... |
| 20:07:15 | jhMikeS | I went through a USB connect cycle and it seemed to come back...and no funky screen effects at boot |
| 20:08:39 | Llorean | jhMikeS: A USB connect cycle didn't solve it for me. |
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| 20:09:37 | jhMikeS | There's obviously race conditions everywhere...I'll just switch cores and see if that's possible |
| 20:10:16 | jhMikeS | I don't get a hand using the stop button though |
| 20:10:18 | jhMikeS | hang |
| 20:10:43 | amiconn | Lear: Do you have a virus scanner running? |
| 20:11:00 | Zeze21 | hey guys |
| 20:11:10 | Zeze21 | i have a problem with rockbox and my ipod video |
| 20:11:20 | SliMM | go on |
| 20:11:22 | Zeze21 | it doesn't boot correctly |
| 20:11:30 | Zeze21 | it just shows the apple logo |
| 20:11:34 | Zeze21 | and that's it |
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| 20:11:54 | Zeze21 | i installed todays build |
| 20:12:04 | SliMM | when did you install the bootloader? |
| 20:12:46 | Zeze21 | hm good question |
| 20:13:03 | Zeze21 | i don't remeber if i have rockbox on this ipod before or if it was my old one |
| 20:13:04 | SliMM | when did you first install rockbox? |
| 20:13:11 | Zeze21 | but i think today |
| 20:13:33 | SliMM | all the ipod patcher stuff? |
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| 20:13:45 | Zeze21 | i used the following program: |
| 20:13:54 | Zeze21 | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/win32/ipodpatcher.exe |
| 20:14:02 | SliMM | today? |
| 20:14:06 | Zeze21 | yes |
| 20:14:16 | Zeze21 | not even 5 miniutes ago |
| 20:14:22 | SliMM | :-? i don't know.. |
| 20:14:22 | Zeze21 | *minutes |
| 20:14:32 | Zeze21 | is there any way to reset my ipod` |
| 20:14:34 | Zeze21 | ? |
| 20:14:42 | SliMM | don't do that |
| 20:14:49 | Llorean | Zeze21: The standard menu+select, then select+Play for disk mode works for getting back to disk mode. |
| 20:14:50 | SliMM | just try an older build |
| 20:15:19 | Llorean | Zeze21: But the best is to hold Right while trying booting rockbox to see what the error message is. |
| 20:15:20 | Zeze21 | ok llorean from there i can use it to get another build? |
| 20:15:31 | SliMM | llorean: svn update under vmware player for updating sources? |
| 20:15:38 | Llorean | Zeze21: If you're using an up to date build, we need to know what the error message is. |
| 20:15:45 | Zeze21 | how long? |
| 20:15:53 | SliMM | there is no error message |
| 20:16:01 | SliMM | there is just the apple logo |
| 20:16:05 | Llorean | SliMM: No error message displays unless you hold right. |
| 20:16:11 | amiconn | huh? |
| 20:16:21 | amiconn | Shouldn't errors still display? |
| 20:16:26 | SliMM | llorean: good to know |
| 20:16:28 | Llorean | amiconn: Doesn't seem to work reliably |
| 20:16:33 | Zeze21 | i am holding right (skip) right now |
| 20:16:48 | Zeze21 | and nothin appears but the aplle logo... |
| 20:16:50 | Llorean | Zeze21: When did you start holding it during the boot process. |
| 20:17:10 | Zeze21 | as soon as the apple logo came up |
| 20:17:40 | Zeze21 | still nothing... |
| 20:17:45 | Llorean | Zeze21: As soon as the logo showed on screen, before backlight? |
| 20:17:52 | Zeze21 | yes |
| 20:17:58 | amiconn | Zeze21: What exact ipod video model do you have? |
| 20:18:09 | Zeze21 | ipod video 5.5 |
| 20:18:13 | SliMM | anyone? is 'svn update' for updating the rockbox sources? |
| 20:18:15 | amiconn | If it's an 80GB it won't work, as stated on the rockbox frontpage |
| 20:18:23 | Zeze21 | ohoh |
| 20:18:28 | Llorean | SliMM: svn update is for updating anything checked out with SVN |
| 20:18:43 | Zeze21 | it is an 80 |
| 20:18:56 | SliMM | of course :) |
| 20:19:01 | Zeze21 | i didn't see that |
| 20:19:09 | Zeze21 | so how can i undo that? |
| 20:19:50 | Zeze21 | is there any way? |
| 20:20:04 | jhMikeS | odd running audio and video on the CPU seems to make no difference |
| 20:20:12 | Llorean | Zeze21: Just tell iPodPatcher to uninstall |
| 20:20:21 | jhMikeS | runs like crap but still touchy |
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| 20:21:27 | Zeze21 | ok i have it in disk mode |
| 20:21:50 | amiconn | Darn, debian servers are slow today :( |
| 20:21:54 | Zeze21 | and uninstalled |
| 20:22:10 | Zeze21 | vamos saber... |
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| 20:23:00 | Zeze21 | ahhhh |
| 20:23:00 | Zeze21 | gracias |
| 20:23:00 | jhMikeS | weird....it's got nothing to do with dual core use |
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| 20:23:03 | amiconn | Zeze21: The 80GB/5.5 will be supported one day, we know what's going wrong, just the proper fix is non-trivial |
| 20:25:16 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The exact data abort address should tell you something when combined with the .map and a disassembly... |
| 20:25:23 | Zeze21 | ok cool |
| 20:25:27 | Zeze21 | thank you |
| 20:26:06 | jhMikeS | It was five digits 2Dxxx ... make any sense? I do use the maps for that all the time. |
| 20:26:17 | Slasheri | argh, metronome plugin is calling mp3_play_data from an ISR context and crashes obviously. The first time i tried that for real :) |
| 20:26:23 | Lear | amiconn: yes, though that one doesn't affect build speed... |
| 20:26:31 | Zeze21 | i wanna say thank you for your help this is a real support chan which earns the name support chan i have never experienced that nice behavior patience and cleverness in any other irc chan |
| 20:26:34 | Zeze21 | any thank you |
| 20:26:39 | amiconn | Lear: Oh? Interesting... |
| 20:27:09 | Zeze21 | cu and thank you |
| 20:27:13 | amiconn | My virus scanner severely affects build speed, therefore I deactivate it during builds |
| 20:27:27 | Lear | At least I'm pretty sure I tested without a scanner during a recent re-install... |
| 20:27:57 | Slasheri | on linux you don't need anti-virus.. |
| 20:28:18 | Lear | An up-to-date make takes about 5 secs for me. |
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| 20:28:41 | amiconn | That's.... fast |
| 20:29:25 | Lear | That's without svnversion, btw. |
| 20:29:41 | petur | aha |
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| 20:32:47 | jhMikeS | ok...no core issue...hmmm...hard or soft lock?? grrr |
| 20:33:31 | toni1 | jhMikeS: Please have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6964. Some mpegplayer issues may be related to this. The clearing of BSS is totally off. |
| 20:34:25 | toni1 | jhMikeS: Overwriting some audio tables instead. |
| 20:34:40 | toni1 | (sometimes) |
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| 20:36:10 | jhMikeS | toni1: what about the bss clear in plugin_iram_init? |
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| 20:37:03 | toni1 | jhMikeS: That should be ok. (ibss) |
| 20:37:05 | amiconn | toni1: I talked with jhMikeS about this problem earlier today |
| 20:37:30 | amiconn | It's enough to check for a negative count in the plugin loader, and not call memset in this case |
| 20:37:41 | amiconn | plugin_iram_init will do the rest |
| 20:38:04 | toni1 | amiconn: Ah ok. I didn't notice that. |
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| 20:39:27 | jhMikeS | though the mpegplayer troubles don't seem related to a negative size issue either |
| 20:39:50 | toni1 | amiconn: I did the negative check here + some clearing of bss data in the plugin. It works fine in front of plugin_iram_init, but not after. |
| 20:40:15 | amiconn | You don't need to change anything in the plugin itself |
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| 20:41:17 | toni1 | What I don't understand, why is the result so different (simply setting some globals before and after plugin_iram_init? |
| 20:41:30 | jhMikeS | there are no caching issues regarding the iram for code either? |
| 20:41:44 | amiconn | The iram isn't cached |
| 20:41:54 | jhMikeS | what about the bss clear? |
| 20:42:40 | amiconn | That's not code |
| 20:44:00 | jhMikeS | true, not an issue for CF...but what about PP and the data? |
| 20:44:33 | amiconn | Well, when the cpu clears bss, it writes to the cache as well, so this is always consistent |
| 20:45:11 | jhMikeS | and the second core should have no knowledge yet of the data...but like I said...no core issue here...argh |
| 20:45:41 | amiconn | toni1: if (plugin_size > readsize) memset(pluginbuf + readsize, 0, plugin_size - readsize); |
| 20:46:14 | toni1 | amiconn: Yeah, that was also my solution. |
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| 20:47:09 | amiconn | The rest is overlap with iramcopy, and will be cleared by plugin_iram_init after copying iram code +rodata + data |
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| 20:48:48 | toni1 | amiconn: Still I don't understand the big difference of setting some globals before or after plugin_iram_init. |
| 20:49:41 | jhMikeS | hrm...still have backlight action on the black screen |
| 20:49:43 | toni1 | before: video runs fine several times but without audio; after: no video/audio at all |
| 20:49:49 | amiconn | You must not set (bss) globals before plugin_iram_init |
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| 20:50:39 | toni1 | That explains it. |
| 20:50:39 | jhMikeS | toni1: video with frame sync? without audio, frame sync should hang |
| 20:51:01 | amiconn | This will cause 2 bad things, since bss space is shared with iramcopy: (1) The init will overwrite some data/code that's not yet moved to iram. (2) your inited global will be wiped by plugin_iram_init |
| 20:51:16 | toni1 | jhMikeS: video with some audio glitch at the start, then silence. |
| 20:51:32 | jhMikeS | which player? |
| 20:51:35 | toni1 | sansa |
| 20:51:47 | jhMikeS | ?? i haven't gotten that one |
| 20:52:07 | jhMikeS | but the frames keep playing? |
| 20:52:18 | jhMikeS | with sync on I mean |
| 20:52:19 | toni1 | yes, exactly. |
| 20:52:42 | toni1 | if it is the default, then yes. |
| 20:52:58 | jhMikeS | well, that means audio stopped decoding for some reason...then pcm just sends silence |
| 20:53:17 | jhMikeS | the clock is kept running all the time |
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| 21:00:26 | AngeL | Hi people |
| 21:00:50 | AngeL | Who speak russian? |
| 21:01:12 | AngeL | What,no one? |
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| 21:02:02 | AngeL | Hey,people!Why you so... |
| 21:02:10 | Llorean | AngeL: This is an English language technical channel. |
| 21:02:36 | PaulJam | Slasheri, are you here? |
| 21:02:43 | AngeL | O,sorry I not good spek English |
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| 21:10:35 | Forte2 | k |
| 21:10:43 | Forte2 | i formated my ipod video |
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| 21:11:08 | Forte2 | does it need the normal ipod shit |
| 21:11:09 | Forte2 | er |
| 21:11:11 | Forte2 | stuff |
| 21:11:16 | Forte2 | or can i just put rockbox on |
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| 21:12:38 | jhMikeS | hrm...one time got an undefined unstruction E7CC2002 |
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| 21:22:35 | Slasheri | PaulJam: hi |
| 21:23:06 | H10_007quick | How could I tell a script to zip all the files in a dir except the ones that I specify? |
| 21:24:17 | jhMikeS | I know what's happening now ... pcm isn't starting reliably |
| 21:25:18 | PaulJam | Slasheri, concerning FS #6949: The Patches are mostly copy and paste from the %rr tag so i don't think it is necessary to have my realname in the credits list. |
| 21:27:29 | H10_007quick | can someone give me a link to the bootloaders? |
| 21:28:03 | Slasheri | PaulJam: if you really think you want to remain uncredited, i think that is then ok. But i have no idea why anyone would ever want that |
| 21:28:48 | H10_007quick | nevermind I found it |
| 21:31:21 | * | jhMikeS guesses a race condition with playback |
| 21:31:24 | Genre9mp3 | wow....iriver japan, offers 4GB ifp7xx players... |
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| 21:32:12 | * | Forte2 is happy |
| 21:32:53 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: What?! |
| 21:33:09 | Llorean | As far as I'm aware the iFP 7-series went only up to 1gb... |
| 21:33:17 | Genre9mp3 | http://www.iriver.co.jp/estore/f700?adp_mid=735378&adp_lid=2 |
| 21:33:53 | Genre9mp3 | they call it now as "F700" |
| 21:34:04 | Llorean | Wow |
| 21:34:17 | H10_007quick | Ok, for compiling bootloaders, how many targets require extra commands other than the standard "make"? |
| 21:34:24 | Genre9mp3 | quite interesting I would say... |
| 21:34:28 | Llorean | Very interesting |
| 21:34:30 | perl|work | bunch of crazy devices on that page |
| 21:34:37 | Llorean | I wonder if it'll come back in the US shop. |
| 21:34:55 | Genre9mp3 | pity that we don't have a working port for ifp yet... |
| 21:35:08 | Llorean | It's semi-working. It can play some music, I believe |
| 21:35:38 | jhMikeS | yep...putting in a sleep improves the situation dramatically |
| 21:36:04 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: I'm rather fond of my iFP, actually, and wish I could use it as a Rockbox recorder. |
| 21:36:39 | Genre9mp3 | Llorean: Noticed the "Recording Edition" on that page? |
| 21:37:13 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: I speak no japanese. |
| 21:37:19 | Llorean | Oh, nevermind |
| 21:37:23 | Llorean | Didn't see the obvious |
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| 21:37:34 | Genre9mp3 | but I believe that it's nothing more than including that Sony mic in the packet or something like that... |
| 21:38:01 | Llorean | It may just be the increased capacity |
| 21:38:06 | Llorean | Or an option to record to WAV (or both) |
| 21:38:39 | Genre9mp3 | I don't know japanese either... |
| 21:40:32 | Llorean | I'd pick up a 4GB just for use with the retail firmware honestly, I've found a lot of uses for my iFP |
| 21:42:32 | Genre9mp3 | a lovely piece of hardware I would say |
| 21:42:36 | Forte2 | hmm |
| 21:42:46 | Forte2 | the black glass that i had isnt this one |
| 21:43:12 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: has the same sound quality issues as the H100, but still quite fine. |
| 21:43:27 | Genre9mp3 | the snr you mean? |
| 21:43:36 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 21:43:44 | Genre9mp3 | I know what you mean... |
| 21:43:57 | jhMikeS | the colors look a bit purpleish on sansa...what's the deal? |
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| 21:44:54 | webguest32 | Hi |
| 21:45:24 | Genre9mp3 | Llorean: It's quite irritating especially when you notice on the specs that it's not UDA1380's fault (according to the specs it has quite high SNR) |
| 21:45:32 | Llorean | jhMikeS: It may just be an aspect of the screen. It used to do a crash where it would "fade to black" and it faded through purple to eventually reach a dark purple/blackish color. |
| 21:46:22 | Llorean | Genre9mp3: Fortunately it only bothers me with one set of headphones, and usually not in the conditions that I need to use them (lots of background noise anyway) |
| 21:47:11 | Genre9mp3 | I wonder what iriver did wrong on this and if it's possible to correct it |
| 21:48:28 | Genre9mp3 | and it's the same on both H100 and H300 |
| 21:49:12 | webguest32 | I screwed up really bad. I'm still under warranty, so I'll most likely get a new iPod. The problem is, when I connect my iPod to the computer, my computer doesn't recognize it. |
| 21:49:17 | amiconn | Does the iFP also have UDA1380? |
| 21:49:28 | jhMikeS | Llorean: It's a bit odd that audio would have a call to pcm_stop_playback view Q_AUDIO_STOP pending by the time the audio thread tries to start pcm |
| 21:49:38 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: most probably not |
| 21:50:30 | Febs | webguest32: put the iPod in disk mode, and then connect it. |
| 21:50:44 | SliMM | webguest32: by installing rockbox you void the warranty |
| 21:50:54 | spiorf | webguest32, press menu+select for 4/5 seconds until ipod reboots, then press play+select, but you have to be fast |
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| 21:51:08 | jhMikeS | the scrollwheel needs a bit of help too...it blocks too many messages |
| 21:51:49 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: at least I cannot see it in the pics here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverIfp7XXHardwareComponents |
| 21:51:56 | webguest32 | Sorry for coming in here and not reading other websites first. |
| 21:52:02 | webguest32 | I fixed it. |
| 21:52:12 | webguest32 | Thanks. |
| 21:52:15 | Rincewind | can someone tell me what the sound quality of the Sansa compared to the iRiver H1xx is? |
| 21:52:27 | webguest32 | I just restarted it and then quickly flipped the hold button to on. |
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| 21:52:41 | Rincewind | especially the background noise thing |
| 21:52:43 | webguest32 | Bye. |
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| 21:53:00 | Llorean | amiconn: Apparently the wiki page for the port is somewhat useless, it points to off-site lists of hardware that don't exist any more. =/ |
| 21:53:30 | Llorean | Rincewind: Much, much less background noise audible with my CX300s (in the retail firmware, haven't tested with them and Rockbox) just don't move the scrollwheel. |
| 21:53:59 | Rincewind | Llorean: what do you think of the overall quality of the sansa? |
| 21:54:20 | Llorean | Rincewind: Could you do me a favour? Go to this page, and see if it looks entirely wrong... http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverIfpPort |
| 21:54:38 | Rincewind | I just read a review on amazon on the sansa that is really desastrous |
| 21:55:03 | Rincewind | Llorean: the page wants a cookie from altavista |
| 21:55:07 | Llorean | Weird. |
| 21:55:21 | Rincewind | the font is huge |
| 21:55:27 | jhMikeS | the color jumps in the dark ranges of red and blue are too big...ok, I'll put a sock in it but I'm at the "pick the port apart" phase ;) |
| 21:55:31 | Llorean | The page isn't using the right style, and the links don't work right. |
| 21:56:01 | Rincewind | the tables don't fit in my screen horizontally |
| 21:56:38 | jhMikeS | oops, just trashed the display scrolling really fast...hehe |
| 21:59:00 | Llorean | Rincewind: Page should be fixed, I thin |
| 21:59:01 | Llorean | think |
| 21:59:14 | Rincewind | much better, yes |
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| 21:59:42 | pixelma | Llorean: maybe that page was from the wiki rescue off of google cache pages? *shrug* |
| 21:59:52 | Rincewind | you could use a nice title for the long link for the firmware download |
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| 22:00:26 | Llorean | pixelma: It's entirely possible |
| 22:04:17 | Forte2 | mini done froze my pc |
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| 22:04:24 | Forte2 | lol |
| 22:04:56 | markun | amiconn: did you make some test plugin while you were working on gamma correction? |
| 22:05:50 | lutherx | Hi everyone! I'm considering installing rockbox but would like to know if it supports embedded cue sheet on FLAC |
| 22:06:09 | markun | lutherx: I don't think it does |
| 22:08:00 | lutherx | markun: ok, thanks. Little bit of a bummer. My files are all in FLAC so I imagine I'll have to put them on the iPod with diskmode. Does anyone know if rockbox databases the files similar to apple's firmware or will I have to browse directories? |
| 22:08:05 | Llorean | lutherx: CUE sheets are expected to be separate files, with the same filename but different extension. |
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| 22:08:36 | Bagder | lutherx: rockbox supports both database and file browsing |
| 22:08:44 | lutherx | Llorean: so if I have the seperate cue sheet file it will work? |
| 22:08:57 | markun | lutherx: yes |
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| 22:09:13 | H10_007quick | In a shell script how do I say, test for multiple things, like [ $rockbox = 1,3 ] but how do I indicate that it should test for both 1 and 3? |
| 22:09:31 | Bagder | H10_007quick: "man bash" |
| 22:09:40 | lutherx | Ok well I have all seperate cue sheets as well so I should be in good shape. Thanks for your help guys!! |
| 22:09:41 | H10_007quick | ok |
| 22:09:58 | lutherx | Bagder: you don't happen to be on SAG forums do you? |
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| 22:10:22 | Bagder | I don't know what SAG is so I guess that's a no ;-) |
| 22:10:41 | blistov_ | has anyone noticed battery life getting significantly worse on the ipods with newer firmware? |
| 22:10:49 | lutherx | lol, just checkin know someone there with the same spelling (Bagder) |
| 22:11:18 | Bagder | I've used my nick spelled this way for... 20 years |
| 22:11:34 | blistov_ | i normally run johnbuild, which gives me 7 hours, and i keep having to revert back to it because all the newer firmware gives me less than 2 hours. |
| 22:12:39 | markun | blistov_: if people were only getting 2 hours on ipods I think we would have known |
| 22:12:49 | Llorean | blistov_: A) Please don't ask about unsupported builds. B) Nobody else has reported this with official builds. |
| 22:13:19 | Llorean | Pretty much every time someone's said the battery life is very short compared to before, a bench test has shown that their estimation skills were the problem. |
| 22:13:39 | linuxstb__ | lutherx: Adding support for embedded cuesheets in Rockbox shouldn't be that hard. But I'm curious, how do you tag the tracks? Or don't you? |
| 22:13:40 | markun | blistov_: maybe you can try some older official builds to find out when your problem started? |
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| 22:13:49 | ender` | can i get edit privileges on the wiki? |
| 22:14:27 | linuxstb | ender`: Only if you leave amusing messages every time you leave it... |
| 22:14:39 | amiconn | hehe |
| 22:14:41 | petur | rofl! |
| 22:14:44 | ender` | i could do that :) |
| 22:14:51 | linuxstb | OK, then what's your wiki name? :) |
| 22:14:56 | ender` | JernejSimoncic |
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| 22:16:12 | linuxstb | ender`: OK, you're in. |
| 22:16:15 | ender` | thanks |
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| 22:16:45 | lutherx | linuxstb_: EAC can add tags in cue sheets |
| 22:16:57 | linuxstb | lutherx: How does it do it? |
| 22:17:26 | linuxstb | Sorry, I meant with the FLAC-embedded cuesheets? |
| 22:17:53 | lutherx | linuxstb: well that I'm not sure about I guess |
| 22:18:04 | linuxstb | AFAIK, FLAC itself only supports storing the track indexes from cuesheets. So I'm curious to know how the metadata is stored in such a FLAC file. |
| 22:18:51 | lutherx | I guess it doesn't do that. I was confused. I get the track info when I load the FLAC into foobar |
| 22:19:09 | Febs | Wow. Gigabeat F40 for $99: http://www.computers4sure.com/product.asp?productid=2792353 |
| 22:19:37 | lutherx | rockbox will read my seperate cue sheet, but that is all just read it. it won't go to tracks etc. |
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| 22:20:04 | markun | Febs: very good deal! |
| 22:20:16 | linuxstb | You need to enable cue support in one of the settings menus. Then when you play a file, Rockbox will look for a .cue file with the same name as the audio file. |
| 22:20:22 | amiconn | petur: Btw, your latest vawview commit made it almost twice as fast on archos recorder (50 sec -> 28 sec for a 45 sec 44.1/16/stereo WAV file) |
| 22:21:06 | petur | amiconn: I'm testing some more tweaks.... |
| 22:21:20 | lutherx | linuxstb: ok I'll look for that setting. I'll be happy if I can get that working I don't want to have re-rip all my cds to invidual tracks in FLAC |
| 22:21:46 | linuxstb | You shouldn't need to re-rip, just split... |
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| 22:21:53 | petur | Febs: bah, they don't accept orders outside US :( |
| 22:22:02 | linuxstb | Rockbox works better with individual tracks as separate files... |
| 22:22:34 | lutherx | still a lot of work either way buy maybe worth it |
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| 22:23:27 | petur | anybody in the US planning to come to devcon2007? |
| 22:23:28 | linuxstb | If you typically play whole albums from start to end, then you'll be fine with Rockbox's cue support. |
| 22:23:56 | ender` | (...now where to leave that message?) |
| 22:24:04 | AceNik | i would love to come but got my exams during that time |
| 22:24:40 | * | petur gives ender`'s quitmessage of last night 10 points and puts it in a frame on the wall |
| 22:24:54 | preglow | petur: lostlogic expressed interest |
| 22:25:14 | blistov_ | :) i understand its unsupported. i'm talking thought about getting better battery life with the old john build than the even the current stable release. |
| 22:25:24 | petur | preglow: I'm bringing some fine Belgian beers... you coming too? |
| 22:25:27 | markun | lutherx: if you know how to program you could of course try to improve cuesheet support |
| 22:25:47 | preglow | petur: i already have plans for that weekend :/// |
| 22:25:49 | blistov_ | johnbuild gives me 7 hours on average of solid playback, all at 128. the current build gives me less than 4 at the same bitrate |
| 22:25:59 | preglow | they need to start asking me before setting a date, heh |
| 22:26:15 | blistov_ | was just wondering if anyone else is noticing this? |
| 22:26:24 | lutherx | linuxstb: do you know an easy way to split the FLAC files? |
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| 22:26:58 | AceNik | guys i dont know if there is a feature request for this , but wouldnt it be nice that we could insert tracks int he current playlist or new , from within a playlist made earlier , like if playlist A is playing, & there & i could insert tracks from playlist B,C,D.... stored ont he hdd, like currently when u view playlist all you can do to the tracks is move, add to new playlist or old, how bout current ? |
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| 22:27:40 | linuxstb | lutherx: Sorry, no. I use FLAC as my main format, but have never used cuefiles with them. Can't foobar do it? |
| 22:27:54 | lutherx | I'll look into it |
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| 22:29:02 | blistov_ | is there a way to check if the cop is running? |
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| 22:32:22 | lutherx | linuxstb: well I just got it to work with the seperate cue sheet. Do you know if those cue sheets need to be in the same directory or can they be stored in seprerately in their own dir? |
| 22:32:36 | Llorean | petur: I intend to be at '08 if there is one. |
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| 22:37:26 | webguest16 | Im wanting to start further development on fs#6688 (gigabeat screen landscape mode). I'd like to make landscape mode a cfg file option, could someone let me know where to start in makeing a cfg file option? |
| 22:38:10 | amiconn | You'll probably have a hard time... |
| 22:38:32 | amiconn | Current rockbox code relies on LCD_WIDTH and LCD_HEIGHT being constant |
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| 22:39:48 | amiconn | Making .cfg options in itself is rather simple |
| 22:40:27 | webguest16 | ok |
| 22:40:29 | Llorean | jhMikeS: non-MP3 audio seems to be broken in mpegplayer now. |
| 22:40:33 | Llorean | As of your most recent commit on it, I think |
| 22:42:02 | webguest16 | looking at the current patch, am I right in thinking that the DCache have to be cleared everytime the display orientation is changed? |
| 22:42:46 | webguest16 | would that solve the fact that LCD_WIDTH and LCD_HEIGHT are constant? |
| 22:44:23 | webguest16 | Im really new to dev, my main goal right now is to see how to make a new cfg option, any pointer? |
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| 22:46:29 | Bagder | we're currently on < 5 mins/build! |
| 22:46:31 | blistov_ | with identical settings, playing the same song, my cpu usage under the old johnbuild is 30, but under the current stable its jumping between 30 and 75. does anyone know why? |
| 22:47:38 | H10_007quick | I still can't figure out how to make a test test for multiple things, such that [ $rockbox = 1,4 ] were the var rockbox could equal 1 or 4 |
| 22:48:02 | Bagder | H10_007quick: the -a operator, use multiple ifs or use echo and grep |
| 22:48:19 | Llorean | blistov_: There is no "stable". And you're comparing to an unofficial build. |
| 22:48:28 | H10_007quick | ok |
| 22:48:31 | amiconn | Bagder: Speculative parallel builds would bring it down some more.... |
| 22:48:32 | Llorean | Try to be precise in what you're talking about |
| 22:48:45 | Bagder | amiconn: indeed |
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| 22:50:29 | preglow | what's up with all the warnings in the table? |
| 22:50:51 | blistov_ | Llorean, I understand that. I'm not saying there's something wrong with the current, or even recent builds. I'm saying i'm getting significantly better performance out of an unsupported build, several months old. it doesn't even have COP support, but its infinitely more usable. |
| 22:50:59 | Llorean | preglow: Core locking doesn't work yet. |
| 22:51:04 | AceNik | H10_007quick: check pvt |
| 22:51:16 | Llorean | blistov_: And my point is "what's your point"? |
| 22:51:21 | Llorean | You haven't compared to an official build the same age. |
| 22:51:29 | blistov_ | Yes I have. |
| 22:51:41 | Llorean | Then why are you even talking about an unsupported build at all? |
| 22:51:47 | preglow | Llorean: well, then why is it mentioned in the build? |
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| 22:51:53 | Llorean | preglow: There's a #warning |
| 22:52:04 | Llorean | Basically "don't let Slasheri forget about fixing this" |
| 22:52:19 | jhMikeS | Llorean: you mean other mpeg layer bitstreams, right? |
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| 22:52:46 | blistov_ | Llorean, I thought the devs might like to know that there is potentially a significant performance increase to be had, that is assuming i haven't done something horribly wrong. |
| 22:53:07 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I'm not really sure what type of audio it is, I didn't encode it and my stuff here is just telling me "mpeg audio" |
| 22:53:11 | preglow | Llorean: well, it seems it's been forgotten about :P |
| 22:53:14 | blistov_ | I find the current, and recent builds, almost unusable, mainly because the battery life has been cut in half, and the scrolling is painfully chopppy. |
| 22:53:33 | blistov_ | (compairitively of course, to the older unsupported johnbuild) |
| 22:53:36 | Llorean | blistov_: You haven't told us any useful information. |
| 22:53:45 | Llorean | How does it compare to the older official build? |
| 22:53:52 | Llorean | What *date* is "older" |
| 22:54:02 | blistov_ | December ish. |
| 22:54:05 | Llorean | Ish. |
| 22:54:08 | Llorean | Thank you for your precision. |
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| 22:54:16 | blistov_ | Man, i'm not trying to be a dick her. |
| 22:54:27 | blistov_ | I'm pointing out an observation on a performance loss. |
| 22:54:31 | Llorean | How does it compare to the older official build? |
| 22:54:44 | jhMikeS | possible I goofed the largest frame size calculation and it's not picking up an empty queue |
| 22:54:58 | blistov_ | The older official build was still slower than johnbuild of the same date. |
| 22:55:06 | jhMikeS | all audio there is MPEG audio though |
| 22:55:09 | Llorean | blistov_: "slower" where? |
| 22:55:17 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Yeah, but MP3 shows up as MP3 in these programs. |
| 22:55:21 | Llorean | So I assume mp2 or mp1 |
| 22:55:33 | Llorean | Whatever those denote. |
| 22:55:46 | blistov_ | Llorean, scrolling is choppy, and retarded, playback skips with crossfeed and eq enabled while scrolling. |
| 22:55:48 | Llorean | blistov_: The johnbuild used a scrolling acceleration patch, so UI speed isn't indicative of anything. |
| 22:55:49 | jhMikeS | prbably frame size...can you check that? |
| 22:56:20 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Any suggestion how to check that? |
| 22:56:34 | blistov_ | Llorean, can you assume for a minute that i'm not mentally deficient, I'm just not a dev on this project. |
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| 22:56:52 | blistov_ | Llorean, the scrolling isn't SLOWER, its CHOPPIER |
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| 22:57:37 | blistov_ | it acts like an interrupt. every time the cpu swithes frequencies (every 3/4 second) the scrolling locks for about 100ms) |
| 22:58:00 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I don't know...some program that gives mpeg info I think |
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| 22:58:38 | blistov_ | my major point here, is that the official build requires 75MHz just for playback, where the old johnbuild rairly ever hit 75. |
| 22:58:40 | Llorean | blistov_: "Choppier" is hardly a technical term, so I have to guess what you mean by it. |
| 22:59:17 | Llorean | blistov_: And if you think the johnbuild has a patch that actually affects playback speed, feel free to isolate it. |
| 22:59:19 | blistov_ | Choppier. Input scrolling stops for between 100 and 200 ms every 750ms |
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| 23:00:12 | Llorean | Does the johnbuild use the COP patch? |
| 23:00:15 | blistov_ | i've had this problem with every official build i've used. I've seen it on other peoples installs as well, they just dont' notice because they're used to it. |
| 23:00:19 | blistov_ | No. |
| 23:00:29 | blistov_ | it does (or at least did not) use COP patch |
| 23:00:51 | blistov_ | and again, my cpu freq is 30mhz solid, during playback, even up to a 196k file |
| 23:00:58 | Llorean | I mean, it's very hard for me to know anything since you're arbitrarily referencing an unofficial build I know almost nothing about let alone where to investigate. |
| 23:01:00 | blistov_ | mp3 rather |
| 23:01:21 | Llorean | A build you don't know the build date of, or anything. |
| 23:01:52 | Llorean | So it's very hard for me to get more useful information from you, since you seem to like repeating "It works better" and not telling me any more. |
| 23:02:01 | Bagder | blistov_: I must agree with Llorean that without more specific details, this is interesting info but very hard to work with |
| 23:02:23 | Llorean | Clearly we've established "johnbuild works better than the current build at the time" but since you don't know what the time was, I don't know how you've established this |
| 23:02:23 | blistov_ | I'm sorry I haven't been more specific yet. |
| 23:02:25 | blistov_ | I can be. |
| 23:02:25 | H10_007quick | AceNik: what do you mean pvt? |
| 23:02:45 | blistov_ | again, i'm not working on development for rockbox. i have too many other projects on the go. |
| 23:02:46 | Llorean | As well, you haven't told us how OUR build at the time compares to our current build. |
| 23:03:00 | blistov_ | what is YOUR build? |
| 23:03:04 | Llorean | The official one. |
| 23:03:11 | blistov_ | oh. same problem. |
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| 23:03:20 | Llorean | So, in other words, Rockbox hasn't gotten worse? |
| 23:03:41 | Llorean | Because your official presentation suggested that Rockbox's performance had degraded since the old build, not that the old build had something making it better. |
| 23:03:50 | blistov_ | I can't say. I haven't actually benchmarked each release against the previous. |
| 23:04:20 | Llorean | Also, again, I repeat my request for knowing where on Earth this "johnbuild" is from, and what patches it contains. |
| 23:04:27 | Llorean | As well as having you actually check the build date / version string. |
| 23:04:35 | blistov_ | What I do know with definity, is that johnbuild 1.2 plays mp3's at the same bitrate as the current build and the official build, but johnbuild does it on 30mhz where the latter require 75 |
| 23:04:47 | blistov_ | i cant check the build date. |
| 23:04:51 | Llorean | blistov_: The official build runs at a constant 75mhz for you? |
| 23:04:59 | Bagder | blistov_: why not? |
| 23:05:11 | Bagder | ah, they hacked it out? |
| 23:05:21 | blistov_ | sorry, i meant CAN check the build date. |
| 23:05:26 | Bagder | ah |
| 23:05:30 | * | petur wonders why default_event_handler() makes the backlight-on lag so much when pressing a key, it's only a switch statement 2 function calls deep |
| 23:05:44 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Well, I found an mpegvalidator and it wasn't helpful. =/ |
| 23:05:58 | blistov_ | The official build stays at 75mhz almost constantly. it drops down to 30 mhz for about 1/4 second before jumping back up to 75 |
| 23:06:15 | blistov_ | thats playing an mp3 at 128kbps |
| 23:06:33 | Llorean | blistov_: Again, what is johnbuild and where can I find out more about it. |
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| 23:06:54 | Llorean | blistov_: It's all rather pointless if you have an arbitrary data point that nobody else can examine. |
| 23:06:54 | blistov_ | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5695.0OM |
| 23:07:00 | blistov_ | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5695.0 |
| 23:07:45 | Llorean | blistov_: It does have the scrolling acceleration in the UI which unties scrolling from the CPU speed a lot, so that mostly explains your "choppiness" most likely |
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| 23:10:11 | Llorean | blistov_: How does boost ratio (how often the CPU goes from 75 to 30 to 75) compare between the official version from back the, and the johnbuild? |
| 23:10:17 | blistov_ | Llorean, i've turned off the scroll accelleration. |
| 23:10:30 | Llorean | Scrolling in the menu isn't a valid basis of comparison between the two. |
| 23:10:37 | blistov_ | all it does is scroll multiple lines at a time instead of 1 right? |
| 23:10:45 | blistov_ | I understand that. |
| 23:10:58 | Llorean | No, it changes how scrolling is handled. |
| 23:11:00 | blistov_ | again, during playback, 30Mhz vs 75MHz |
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| 23:11:15 | blistov_ | thats a big difference. |
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| 23:11:29 | blistov_ | And i majorly affects battery consumption. |
| 23:11:33 | Llorean | blistov_: Stop for a second |
| 23:11:35 | Llorean | I asked for the boost ratio |
| 23:11:36 | blistov_ | k |
| 23:11:40 | Llorean | The processor only has two speeds, 30 and 75 |
| 23:11:43 | Llorean | It alternates between them |
| 23:11:55 | Llorean | I asked you how the processor speed compares with an official build of the age the johnbuild is. |
| 23:12:02 | Llorean | As in, the Boost Ratio |
| 23:12:10 | jhMikeS | Llorean: well, you could always increase the size threshold and see if that helps |
| 23:12:13 | Llorean | Percentage of time spent at each speed, on the same file, during the same period, with the same settings. |
| 23:12:30 | blistov_ | right. |
| 23:12:34 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Know the variable name I'm looking for? |
| 23:12:37 | blistov_ | i don't know how to check that. |
| 23:12:44 | blistov_ | i mean, properly. |
| 23:12:45 | Llorean | blistov_: How did you check the CPU speed then? |
| 23:12:51 | blistov_ | i can SEE it. |
| 23:12:55 | Llorean | Where? |
| 23:13:01 | blistov_ | i can't just watch it and give you an exact ratio. |
| 23:13:14 | Llorean | There should be one screen that outputs it. |
| 23:13:19 | Llorean | And that screen also tells the boost ratio. |
| 23:13:20 | jhMikeS | Just change MPA_MAX_FRAME_SIZE back to 1500 |
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| 23:13:57 | Llorean | blistov_: Where do you "SEE" it? |
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| 23:14:14 | petur | blistov_: system -> debug menu -> view audio thread |
| 23:14:17 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I'll test that |
| 23:14:27 | Llorean | petur: If he wasn't already there, how'd he know that it was at 75 vs 30? |
| 23:14:41 | petur | I know... |
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| 23:15:22 | WolfBlood | Hey. |
| 23:15:25 | blistov_ | under johnbuild, playing mp3 at 128, darkgeek theme, no eq, 30mhz |
| 23:15:32 | blistov_ | boost counter says 0 |
| 23:15:44 | WolfBlood | Could someone give me the link where it tells me how to install Rockbox on me e250 Sansa? |
| 23:16:06 | Bagder | I wasn't aware we could play 128kbit mp3 boostless on ipod |
| 23:16:06 | Llorean | WolfBlood: The manual |
| 23:16:15 | blistov_ | boost ratio is about 40% |
| 23:16:27 | Llorean | blistov_: That means 40% of the time it's running at 75mhz |
| 23:16:41 | blistov_ | why isn't it showing that in the frequency? |
| 23:16:58 | Llorean | Maybe johnbuild has a bug |
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| 23:17:19 | blistov_ | i guess. its still running longer, and smoother though. |
| 23:17:28 | blistov_ | I"m just trying to figure out why. |
| 23:17:39 | Llorean | Have you done an actual battery benchmark? |
| 23:17:43 | blistov_ | i'd LOVE to have that performance on a moore recent build. |
| 23:17:46 | blistov_ | no. |
| 23:17:49 | blistov_ | not recently. |
| 23:17:52 | Bagder | well, comparing with an official from the same date would be a start, and then checking the patches it has applied |
| 23:18:05 | Llorean | Bagder: I'd like to see actual battery benchmarks first. |
| 23:18:18 | blistov_ | i ran it last night under the newest release, it ran for 3 hours. |
| 23:18:20 | Bagder | yes, that's a good idea |
| 23:18:22 | Llorean | Compare the voltage drop over time. |
| 23:18:39 | blistov_ | played the exact same playlist after reverting to johnbuild, and it was still going this moring, 8 hours later |
| 23:18:46 | blistov_ | hrm... |
| 23:19:48 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Compiling one now. |
| 23:20:05 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 23:20:55 | Llorean | Um |
| 23:21:07 | Llorean | Did someone enable the button LEDs on gigabeat while I wasn't paying attention? |
| 23:21:24 | jhMikeS | it has those? |
| 23:21:27 | Llorean | Yup |
| 23:21:40 | jhMikeS | well, they should be enabled then |
| 23:21:42 | Llorean | MIne were just on.. |
| 23:21:51 | Llorean | Hm |
| 23:22:05 | Llorean | And after a reboot, but they went out with the backlight and didn't come back. I'll investigate that later |
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| 23:23:14 | Rori | what's the link to the daily builds again? |
| 23:23:31 | Llorean | Rori: Look at the front page of the site. |
| 23:23:42 | Llorean | You shouldn't be using Dailies unless the Current build doesn't work for you |
| 23:24:13 | Rori | it doesn't |
| 23:24:19 | Rori | I get a data error |
| 23:24:39 | Llorean | "Data error"? |
| 23:24:42 | Llorean | Do you mean Data Abort? |
| 23:25:24 | Rori | yes |
| 23:25:56 | Rori | hmm overwriting with older build does not cure makes things worse. Knackered my settings now |
| 23:25:57 | Llorean | jhMikeS: It doesn't fix it. Could it be more general naughtiness related to that improper size problem you and amiconn were discussing (the one I don't really understand:)) |
| 23:26:09 | Llorean | Rori: Are you on an iPod? |
| 23:26:33 | Rori | nano |
| 23:26:36 | Rori | 1g |
| 23:26:47 | Llorean | Rori: And when did you install or last update your bootloader? |
| 23:27:56 | Rori | ages ago |
| 23:27:59 | jhMikeS | Llorean: was a false alarm |
| 23:28:20 | Llorean | jhMikeS: The reporting of the wrong size was? |
| 23:28:44 | bluebrother | Rori: you need a recent bootloader. Update it with ipodpatcher |
| 23:28:49 | jhMikeS | in the ibss init, yes. he didn't notice the fact it was zeroed in plugin_iram_init |
| 23:29:15 | Llorean | jhMikeS: But I thought that was confirmed as the cause of one of the audio problems the sansa had in mpegplayer... |
| 23:29:22 | Llorean | The one Toni had talked about |
| 23:29:26 | Llorean | Or am I combining problems? |
| 23:29:35 | jhMikeS | He recanted I believe |
| 23:29:52 | Llorean | Ah |
| 23:30:00 | Llorean | Well, MP3 audio works fine, "mpeg audio" sounds funny |
| 23:30:07 | Rori | where's the updated bootloader and patcher? |
| 23:30:11 | Llorean | It has a lot of noise. |
| 23:30:16 | jhMikeS | noise like what? |
| 23:30:20 | Llorean | Rori: Just follow the instructions in the manual |
| 23:30:28 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Kinda little high pitched pops and buzzes. |
| 23:30:41 | Llorean | And squeeks. |
| 23:30:48 | Rori | just gimmie a link |
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| 23:31:17 | Llorean | Rori: Or you could just do a little bit on your own and see the "Installing the Bootloader" chapter in the manual, because the process has changed. |
| 23:31:19 | Rori | the wesbite is still a nightmare to navigate |
| 23:31:29 | Rori | can't find jack |
| 23:31:32 | Llorean | Rori: If you can't find "Manual" on the front page, and click it, I'm surprised you can't install. |
| 23:31:37 | Llorean | Er surprised you can install. |
| 23:31:52 | Rori | yer |
| 23:31:56 | petur | Rori: how about that manual link on the left menu? |
| 23:32:03 | jhMikeS | Llorean: if you could test one more thing: MPEG_GUARDBUF_SIZE - just crank up the size on it...I dunno...add a few KB to it if you could...something 4bytes aligned |
| 23:32:11 | Llorean | Rori: How can we improve a link labelled "manual" on the front page of the site, to make it less nightmarish, if I may ask? |
| 23:32:28 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Okay, it'll be 3 or 4 minutes, but sure. |
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| 23:32:58 | jhMikeS | that's fine. I wanna know what makes the fiq so touchy in that changing anything makes audio choppy |
| 23:33:21 | Llorean | The audio isn't choppy, I don't think. It seems to be all there, just with extras. |
| 23:34:19 | jhMikeS | well, in general...altering things in any way seems to make the fifos underrun...but there's a problem starting pcm playback that is the reason for the black screen |
| 23:34:27 | Llorean | Ah |
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| 23:34:50 | jhMikeS | if I put a big long sleep just before starting it...the mpegplayer plays over and over |
| 23:34:53 | Llorean | MPEG_GUARDBUF_SIZE is 64*1024+16 |
| 23:35:07 | jhMikeS | yes...just crank it up |
| 23:35:12 | Rori | Maybe there should be a little place where noobs can just go for frequently screwed up installs ;) |
| 23:35:20 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Any idea how much? |
| 23:35:38 | jhMikeS | I dunno−−ludicrous, + 4096? |
| 23:35:55 | Llorean | I was just gonna make the 64 a 72 |
| 23:35:58 | Rori | btw this webpages links do not work in Mozilla Seamonkey http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras#Fonts |
| 23:35:59 | Llorean | But I'll do that instead. :-P |
| 23:36:05 | toffe82 | Bagder : can we upload on the wiki some firmware we are not suppose to have, as it come the player itself ? |
| 23:36:08 | Rori | I click on fonts and it does nothing |
| 23:36:31 | Llorean | Rori: It's a zip, your computer may be configured to automatically open zips |
| 23:36:39 | Rori | yep but it does not open anything |
| 23:36:45 | Rori | no link opening or anything |
| 23:36:53 | Llorean | The file is large, it may take a while |
| 23:36:55 | Rori | the voices link worked but not from the extras page |
| 23:36:58 | Rori | nope |
| 23:37:06 | Rori | none of the links on the extras page works for me |
| 23:37:07 | Llorean | It downloads fine in Firefox |
| 23:37:16 | Rori | works from the other voices link |
| 23:37:23 | Rori | but no alternate fonts link so |
| 23:37:31 | Bagder | toffe82: if we're not allowed to redistribute it, we shouldn't |
| 23:37:31 | Rori | gonna have to fire up IE :P |
| 23:38:05 | Rori | some pages I have trouble with when they use that linking method |
| 23:38:08 | Rori | must be a bug |
| 23:38:11 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Something is definitely wrong with mpegplayer on gigabeat, though, it's making my button lights light up. |
| 23:38:31 | jhMikeS | only when you use it? |
| 23:38:36 | Rori | nope link does not work in IE either |
| 23:38:41 | Rori | can't download the fonts pack |
| 23:38:49 | jhMikeS | and only with the other audio format? I haven't had that |
| 23:38:50 | Rori | I click and nada happens |
| 23:38:57 | Llorean | jhMikeS: No, with MP3 |
| 23:39:10 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Let me check something in a minute |
| 23:39:18 | amiconn | Some nice green archos deltas... :) |
| 23:39:22 | Rori | OIC user error ignore me |
| 23:39:23 | Rori | lols |
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| 23:39:43 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Guardbuff doesn't fix the audio problem |
| 23:39:56 | Rori | it's supposed to 'link' to the relevant section. Because I have a big LCD monitor and see the entire page it does NOTHING! lol |
| 23:40:05 | DarkRedFlame | Can anybody help me? I cant find the Rockboy plugin for the Sansa e200 |
| 23:40:16 | Llorean | DarkRedFlame: Please read the manual section about it. |
| 23:40:17 | Rori | I was clicking on 'Fonts' expecting it to downloading something heh |
| 23:40:21 | bluebrother | Rori: the links are standard html anchors. I don't see any reason why they shouldn't work |
| 23:40:29 | Rori | yes they do |
| 23:40:40 | Rori | but I can see the entire page so those links are irrelevant |
| 23:40:41 | DarkRedFlame | Thanks Llorean |
| 23:40:51 | Rori | just confused the hell out of me |
| 23:41:01 | Rori | who looks at pages on small res these days? ;) |
| 23:41:02 | jhMikeS | Llorean: this is all too funky |
| 23:41:05 | petur | Rori was clicking the *top* links |
| 23:41:22 | WolfBlood | Can someone help me? |
| 23:41:23 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I can't get my button lights to disable. |
| 23:41:33 | Rori | bloody PDA users |
| 23:41:41 | jhMikeS | then something is goofy and corrupting something :\ |
| 23:41:44 | Llorean | I start up, after a battery disconnect, and the button lights are on. |
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| 23:41:47 | WolfBlood | Does anyone know anything about the Sansa e250? |
| 23:41:55 | Llorean | Until the first backlight fade, apparently |
| 23:41:58 | Rori | and you can shove your smartphones....err...well heh |
| 23:42:05 | jhMikeS | Llorean: right at boot time? |
| 23:42:07 | Bagder | WolfBlood: ask your question and you'll find out |
| 23:42:10 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Yes |
| 23:42:12 | jhMikeS | ?? |
| 23:42:18 | jhMikeS | how could that be mpegplayer? |
| 23:42:33 | Llorean | I'm not saying it is any more |
| 23:42:35 | WolfBlood | Okay, well I just installed it, while I was trying to play music I just got Data Abort... and now it won't shut off. |
| 23:42:44 | WolfBlood | When I plug it into my PC nothing happens. |
| 23:42:48 | WolfBlood | What's wrong with it? |
| 23:42:51 | Bagder | WolfBlood: then hold the button for 15 seconds |
| 23:42:52 | DarkRedFlame | This Manual? If so I dont see anything that can help me. http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1690008.3.3 |
| 23:42:52 | Llorean | jhMikeS: But the guardbuffer doesn't fix the audio glitches. |
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| 23:43:16 | WolfBlood | Please someone. |
| 23:43:32 | Bagder | WolfBlood: please what? |
| 23:43:35 | jhMikeS | ok...well if you can gimme a copy of the video that would help out...'less it's too naughty :P |
| 23:43:44 | Bagder | WolfBlood: we can't hold the button for you |
| 23:43:48 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Just a second I'll find the link. Someone else provided it. |
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| 23:44:23 | WolfBlood | What button? |
| 23:44:31 | WolfBlood | I hold down power, it won't shut off! |
| 23:44:31 | Bagder | the menu button |
| 23:45:11 | WolfBlood | I just got it turned off. |
| 23:45:12 | Llorean | jhMikeS: http://www.wikiupload.com/download_page.php?id=117766 wait for the page to load fully first |
| 23:45:29 | Llorean | jhMikeS: On your gigabeat, with a new build, turn on the gigabeat and before the backlight fades, move in a list, and see if your button lights come on |
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| 23:47:25 | Rori | OK the bootloader fixed the current build. Thx. |
| 23:47:32 | DarkRedFlame | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginRockboy - Still cant find any info for it on the Sansa |
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| 23:47:52 | Bagder | DarkRedFlame: the info is about the same for all targets |
| 23:47:53 | Llorean | DarkRedFlame: I said the manual, but that tells you how to use it as well |
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| 23:48:27 | Rori | hey where do I plonk the voices files? |
| 23:48:30 | DarkRedFlame | You mean the full manual for the Sansa? If so, I didnt find anything there ethier |
| 23:48:33 | Rori | I want to try that function out |
| 23:48:44 | DarkRedFlame | I went to Plugins > Rockboy, just told me the controls |
| 23:48:52 | Llorean | DarkRedFlame: Both that wiki page and the manual and they both tell you how to use it. |
| 23:48:57 | Llorean | Rockboy isn't a plugin, it's a viewer. |
| 23:49:10 | petur | Rori: .rockbox/langs directory |
| 23:49:16 | jhMikeS | can't connect to the server :\ |
| 23:49:20 | Rori | ta |
| 23:49:28 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Works for me. |
| 23:49:33 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Try waiting for the page to load wholly |
| 23:49:35 | DarkRedFlame | Where the Viewer located on the Sansa? |
| 23:49:42 | Llorean | DarkRedFlame: You don't need to locate viewers. |
| 23:49:48 | Llorean | DarkRedFlame: Please, try reading the page you linked. |
| 23:49:57 | Rori | I just put one of those BestSkinsEver skins on my Nano 1G |
| 23:50:02 | DarkRedFlame | I'll read it again.. |
| 23:50:25 | Llorean | It's the second line that's not a title or header. |
| 23:50:26 | jhMikeS | how long should that take? it seems to be done |
| 23:50:33 | Rori | a few little bubbles I couldn't iron out but nothing too much to worry about. I just wanted something thin to protect it from scraches |
| 23:50:39 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Dunno. It worked for me when I just tried again |
| 23:50:42 | * | WolfBlood slaps Bagder around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:50:53 | jhMikeS | firewall? |
| 23:50:56 | Rori | prior to that I used an Agent18 skin |
| 23:51:03 | Llorean | WolfBlood: Nobody can help you if you don't ask specific questions. |
| 23:51:07 | Llorean | jhMikeS: No clue. |
| 23:51:08 | * | petur takes large trout away from WolfBlood |
| 23:51:22 | WolfBlood | How do I put Doom on my Sansa e250? |
| 23:51:46 | Llorean | WolfBlood: See the manual. |
| 23:51:52 | WolfBlood | What manual? |
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| 23:52:00 | Bagder | the rockbox manual |
| 23:52:01 | Llorean | The one linked to from the front page of the site. |
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| 23:52:22 | WolfBlood | ... |
| 23:52:36 | * | Bagder runs to bed |
| 23:52:43 | markun | Bagder: night |
| 23:52:47 | WolfBlood | Doesn't tell me. |
| 23:53:17 | markun | WolfBlood: does it say anything about Doom? |
| 23:53:20 | Llorean | WolfBlood: It does, actually |
| 23:53:40 | * | Llorean is looking at it right now. |
| 23:53:46 | petur | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1240008.1.5 |
| 23:53:51 | Rori | hey guys the voices don't work correctly |
| 23:54:00 | WolfBlood | Thanks! |
| 23:54:05 | Rori | it reads off the incorrect menu's |
| 23:54:17 | bluebrother | hey Rori, do you have a recent voice file? |
| 23:54:20 | Llorean | Rori: Odds are you got an outdated one. |
| 23:54:22 | Rori | 'Loudness set' when it's on System etc |
| 23:54:27 | petur | 23:52 <WolfBlood>Doesn't tell me. |
| 23:54:32 | Rori | yeah where is the updated? |
| 23:54:44 | bluebrother | the voice file needs to match the build, but voice files aren't updated regularly |
| 23:54:59 | Rori | ic |
| 23:55:00 | bluebrother | btw, what happened to that auto-generated voice files? Still in the works? |
| 23:55:03 | Rori | lets try a new build |
| 23:55:49 | Rori | ooh viavoice |
| 23:55:52 | Rori | gotta try that |
| 23:56:07 | jhMikeS | DMZ'ed my computer and still no good :\ |
| 23:56:07 | bluebrother | look at the date of that voice file |
| 23:56:22 | Rori | it's new |
| 23:57:20 | Rori | hey is rockbox.opid needed in the root anymore? |
| 23:57:26 | Rori | I see there is one in the .rockbox folder |
| 23:57:30 | bluebrother | I don't know it, just wanted to mention that the file date should help picking a "good" one |
| 23:57:38 | Rori | rockbox.ipod |
| 23:57:46 | bluebrother | no, that file got moved recently. You can safely delete the one in the root |
| 23:57:52 | Rori | cool |
| 23:58:13 | bluebrother | (unless your bootloader is quite old, but in that case you would experience data aborts) |
| 23:58:22 | * | bluebrother preferred that file to be in the root |
| 23:58:36 | * | petur doesn't |
| 23:58:43 | Rori | still get a battery on disconnection of the USB and have to force a reboot |
| 23:58:44 | petur | it should never have been in the root |
| 23:58:44 | Rori | sad |
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