| 00:00:00 | bluebrother | SliMM, it redirects stdout |
| 00:00:03 | ]RowaN[ | anyone know the filename needed for newest sandisk firmware to pick up the rockbox bootloader? |
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| 00:00:07 | Bagder | 2> redirects stderr |
| 00:00:11 | stripwax | hiya |
| 00:00:22 | bluebrother | you can &>something to redirect stdout and stderr at the same time |
| 00:00:33 | amiconn | So I settled for what proved to work best: poll once per tick for a full second. See ata_mmc.c: initialize_card() |
| 00:00:35 | SliMM | Bagder: are warnings displayd in stderr? |
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| 00:00:45 | Bagder | well, 2>&1 redirects stderr to stdout |
| 00:00:56 | Bagder | SliMM: yes I think so |
| 00:01:03 | SliMM | ok, thx |
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| 00:01:15 | stripwax | I've failed to find any simple tool that can convert a 24-bit bitmap into a 16-bit (565) bitmap. Imagemagick doesn't seem to do this, Irfan and PSP don't either - any recommendations? |
| 00:01:20 | SliMM | i should install linux |
| 00:01:29 | bluebrother | do we know how the micro sd is connected on the sansa? Would be great if we had it on some hardware spi ... |
| 00:01:37 | Llorean | stripwax: Rockbox will convert them on load. Was there some reason you wanted to pre-convert? |
| 00:01:45 | SliMM | stripwax: The GIMP |
| 00:02:04 | stripwax | Llorean - yep. I don't like the rockbox unform dither. My wps backgrounds look grainy |
| 00:02:14 | stripwax | Noticeably so |
| 00:02:29 | stripwax | SliMM - hmm, good idea - dunno why I didn't think of that before |
| 00:02:47 | SliMM | llorean: rockbox didn't convert my pre-converted bitmaps to fb_data |
| 00:03:03 | Llorean | SliMM: How did you load them? |
| 00:03:20 | SliMM | stripwax: after converting to 16 bit bitmap, re-open and save as 24 bit |
| 00:03:26 | stripwax | Llorean - (and I think rockbox shouldn't need to do anything better than uniform; if I want optimised 565 bitmaps I'm happy to do that offline as it were) |
| 00:03:32 | stripwax | SliMM - thanks for the tip! |
| 00:03:50 | SliMM | llorean: just like all other plugin bitmaps |
| 00:04:18 | Llorean | It used to be that Rockbox was only supposed to support 1, 8, and 24. |
| 00:04:36 | Llorean | I thought that was extended. Either way, if it loads a bitmap and doesn't handle it properly (either by rejecting it, or converting it) that's a bug. |
| 00:05:30 | SliMM | llorean: it didn't compile with 16 bit bitmaps |
| 00:05:45 | SliMM | i thinl.. |
| 00:05:49 | SliMM | think* |
| 00:05:50 | Llorean | Ah, well that's different. You said it didn't convert them. :) |
| 00:07:01 | linuxstb_ | bmp2rb should support 1, 4, 8, 16 and 24 bpp bitmaps. |
| 00:07:13 | SliMM | yo've got a point.. :) |
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| 00:07:26 | Llorean | linuxstb_: So there's definitely something wrong? |
| 00:07:40 | linuxstb_ | But I think there's many formats of 16-bit, and maybe bmp2rb doesn't support them all. |
| 00:07:41 | SliMM | well, it didn't support photoshop's 565 16 bpp bitmaps |
| 00:08:07 | stripwax | ^ mm , so photoshop would work for me too ? :-) |
| 00:08:32 | SliMM | stripwax, if you have it :) |
| 00:08:44 | stripwax | :) |
| 00:08:57 | linuxstb_ | Did bmp2rb give you an error on those bitmaps? |
| 00:09:03 | stripwax | Annoying Paintshop Pro doesn't but I guess you get what you pay for |
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| 00:09:39 | SliMM | linuxstb_: i got some error, but i can't remember what was it |
| 00:09:46 | SliMM | i can test it |
| 00:09:49 | SliMM | again |
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| 00:09:53 | SliMM | 2 min pls |
| 00:11:30 | linuxstb_ | SliMM: Do you have a purpose in mind for your alpha-drawing functions? |
| 00:12:08 | SliMM | good-looking (anti-aliased) plugin (at least static) graphics |
| 00:13:07 | SliMM | i'll implement wu's line algorithm when i feel lik doing that, for drawing anti-aliased lines |
| 00:13:19 | linuxstb_ | Yes, but for what? You want to change existing plugins, or write a new one? |
| 00:13:56 | SliMM | i don't feel like changing the current plugins |
| 00:14:17 | midkay | some people might want to change them, as well as it opens up possibilities for new ones... |
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| 00:14:48 | SliMM | anyone who wants that can change them, i'm a very lazy person :P |
| 00:15:13 | midkay | right, just mentioning to linuxstb_. it doesn |
| 00:15:18 | midkay | doesn't have to be just one use or reason :) |
| 00:15:39 | midkay | i'd certainly be interested in updating plugins with new nice bitmaps... |
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| 00:15:43 | linuxstb_ | I'm just struggling to imagine a practical use for it... |
| 00:16:00 | linuxstb_ | But I guess eye-candy doesn't come under the heading "practical"... |
| 00:16:07 | midkay | right :) |
| 00:16:10 | stripwax | SliMM : - hm, so how do I actually convert an existing 24-bit rgb bitmap using Gimp into a 565 bitmap? |
| 00:16:30 | stripwax | Unrelated question - how come only Archos has a Jackpot plugin? :-) |
| 00:16:43 | mar27 | I don't see the mpegplayer plugin listed on my e200. is this included in the firmware for the e200 ? |
| 00:17:04 | linuxstb_ | mar27: Have you read the wiki page about it? |
| 00:17:39 | SliMM | stripwax: i used photoshop, don't know how to do that in gimp |
| 00:18:00 | mar27 | linuxtb: yes, i see that it has been tested with the e200 and that it should be included in the rockbox download |
| 00:18:27 | stripwax | SliMM : - ah, thought you might know, since you suggested Gimp can do it! Ok, I'll hunt. Does not seem obvious.. |
| 00:18:34 | linuxstb_ | mar27: re-read the introduction... |
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| 00:19:38 | amiconn_ | stripwax: There are some (well, 3) charcell-only plugins. Of course they could be made to work on bitmap targets if so desired, but all the drawing would be different |
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| 00:21:06 | amiconn_ | Bagder: What about the build scripts wrt barrywardell's commit? |
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| 00:21:24 | Bagder | check again |
| 00:21:30 | * | stripwax thinks a bitmap based jackpot would be neat |
| 00:21:36 | amiconn | Oh, nice |
| 00:21:48 | stripwax | Ok. So. Gimp cannot do this. Gr. |
| 00:21:59 | amiconn | rrrr |
| 00:22:07 | amiconn | "statement with no effect" |
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| 00:22:57 | linuxstb_ | stripwax: You could always hack a utility together based on bmp2rb and the Rockbox screendump function. |
| 00:23:32 | SliMM | i could also write a fast box-blur function for windows vista-style "windows", over the backdrop |
| 00:23:37 | SliMM | :-? |
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| 00:24:22 | linuxstb_ | SliMM: If you can do that with no noticable drop in UI performance, then go ahead :) |
| 00:24:34 | stripwax | linuxstb : - sure. I could write my own. but the point is I want something better than uniform dithering. someone surely has approach this problem before.. |
| 00:25:00 | SliMM | linuxstb_: for plugins |
| 00:25:07 | * | amiconn also wonders what happened to the sansa and h10 builds... |
| 00:25:30 | SliMM | stripwax: you said you have photoshop |
| 00:25:32 | linuxstb_ | SliMM: Well, the same applies - I don't want slow plugins... |
| 00:25:38 | stripwax | no. i don't |
| 00:25:41 | SliMM | or at least you sugested that |
| 00:25:42 | amiconn | Ah, hmm, probably mi4 adds some padding.. |
| 00:25:58 | stripwax | only have PSP (and now, The Gimp) |
| 00:25:58 | Bagder | amiconn: ah yes it does |
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| 00:26:04 | SliMM | damn, i have to open gimp then.. |
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| 00:26:18 | linuxstb_ | Yes, it's rounded up to sector multiples, with a 512-byte header. |
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| 00:26:44 | stripwax | So I guess in The Gimp I could manually select each layer and posterize to 32 or 64 colors as appropriate. That's sorta crappy though. (And still might not be possible) |
| 00:27:14 | stripwax | Is green the 6 in 565 ? |
| 00:27:15 | SliMM | stripwax: wait 2 sec please |
| 00:27:23 | SliMM | stripwax: yes |
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| 00:28:18 | amiconn | Bagder: Hmm, then the delta check becomes less useful for mi4 targets |
| 00:28:38 | Bagder | hehe, indeed |
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| 00:29:36 | * | Bagder goes to hug his pillow |
| 00:30:39 | * | pixelma wonders how long the PluginIndex page should take to pick up changes to a specific plugin page... |
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| 00:31:43 | Llorean | pixelma: Did you click "refresh cache" at the bottom? |
| 00:31:44 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: Did you click on the "refresh cache" link at the bottom? |
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| 00:31:59 | pixelma | I'll do that now twice ;) |
| 00:32:04 | petur | hehe |
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| 00:32:35 | pixelma | ah yes - that was it thanks :) |
| 00:34:02 | linuxstb_ | Maybe we should start grouping targets on that page... |
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| 00:34:19 | SliMM | stripwax: hmm.. i don't know.. |
| 00:34:41 | stripwax | yeah. even posterize doesn't do the right thing, cos it reduces by #colors rather than #bits. gah. |
| 00:34:57 | stripwax | "how hard could it be". |
| 00:35:11 | stripwax | still, The Gimp is scriptable right, maybe i can knock something up in that |
| 00:35:14 | amiconn | stripwax: Just save as 16 bit |
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| 00:36:19 | stripwax | gah. even my irc client is crap |
| 00:36:41 | stripwax | So, how do I just save as 16bit from The Gimp or Paintshop Pro? |
| 00:37:01 | amiconn | Umm, dunno |
| 00:37:06 | stripwax | this would also seem like a trivially obvious thing to be able to do, but it is not |
| 00:37:19 | amiconn | In photoshop (elements) it's simple... |
| 00:37:51 | stripwax | amiconn - that's unfortunately no help to me. unless photoshop (elements) is freely downloadable (legally) at this time of night |
| 00:38:25 | pixelma | linuxstb: what kind of grouping? |
| 00:38:58 | amiconn | Hah, as I kinda expected: my commit also fixes the ugly backlight on->off->fade in sequence on mini2g boot (and presumably also on nano and video) :) |
| 00:39:06 | Llorean | pixelma: Perhaps screen type much like WPSes? |
| 00:39:13 | amiconn | Something Slasheri didn't manage to fix even though he tried... |
| 00:39:32 | amiconn | That's the little red delta for these 3 targets... and I know why it works now... |
| 00:39:49 | SliMM | stripwax: image>mode>decompose>rgb |
| 00:39:57 | SliMM | color reduction for each channel |
| 00:40:09 | SliMM | and then image>mode>compose |
| 00:40:16 | SliMM | i think that should do it |
| 00:40:40 | stripwax | SliMM - can I do color reduction by #bits though or only #colors? |
| 00:40:54 | SliMM | #colors |
| 00:41:08 | pixelma | Llorean: but IIUC if a plugin works or not is not only dependent on the screen's resolution/colour depth (like I believe rockboy doesn't work on 4G greyscale Ipods) |
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| 00:41:19 | SliMM | xbits = 2^x colors |
| 00:41:46 | pixelma | Llorean: or clock on H1x0 ... |
| 00:41:59 | stripwax | SliMM : - are they evenly spaced though, or does it use e.g. the 32 most common colours |
| 00:42:05 | pixelma | although it's listed... |
| 00:42:23 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: I'm not sure how it could work... It just seems to be a very confusing table now. |
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| 00:42:37 | SliMM | stripwax:dunno |
| 00:43:00 | Llorean | pixelma: I think by "grouping" it'd just be reordering the columns so it's easier to spot your device in the list (in my mind) |
| 00:43:08 | linuxstb_ | Maybe we could just use the existing magic to generate device-specific PluginIndex pages - i.e. listing all plugins for a specific target. |
| 00:43:31 | pixelma | shall I stop for now? |
| 00:43:42 | SliMM | stripwax: reduce the decomposed image to 63 colours (image>mode>index) |
| 00:43:45 | stripwax | Hrm. ok, thanks anyway. That's basically what I suggested before, but I'd get banding (which is a different artifact than uniform dither but just as bad really) |
| 00:44:09 | pixelma | though I don't like "halfway done" things |
| 00:44:19 | SliMM | i don't think you'll get it |
| 00:44:50 | stripwax | Ah, image->mode->index sounds like a good idea. But then it's doing dithering on each plane rather than globally. but it sounds like it's better than nothing! Cheers |
| 00:45:13 | SliMM | stripwax: i can save your bitmaps 16bpp if you want me to (tommorow) |
| 00:45:30 | SliMM | stripwax: io've got a point :-? |
| 00:45:51 | pixelma | Llorean: ah now I see what you mean... |
| 00:45:58 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: No, I don't think you should stop. Although maybe we could consider getting rid of most of those plugin pages as they are now documented in the manual (or at least should be). |
| 00:46:16 | SliMM | anyway, bye, it's 2 AM here |
| 00:46:21 | stripwax | SliMM - no it's cool, I'll play with this. thx |
| 00:47:09 | * | stripwax is sure someone somewhere must have written a tool that can take 24-bit image data and convert to 16-bit 565 fs-dithered output |
| 00:47:10 | SliMM | you could also get a photoshop trial, but let's not go off-topic |
| 00:48:56 | pixelma | oh... the PluginChopper page is... informative... ;) |
| 00:49:47 | stripwax | ah, crap. Decomposing to layers isn't good enough because Image->mode->indexed applies globally to the whole image rather than each layer. I'll have to decompose to three separate images and then recombine. It's probably easier to do that in imagemagik.. |
| 00:50:32 | * | SliMM goes to bed |
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| 00:51:29 | p512o | Thank you Llorean, saratoga, bluebrother and everybody else.. i'm better heading for bed to rest my back. gonna take a look at the different specs and the rockbox code.. maybe i'll get some more understanding.. :) will come back the next days! ciao everyone! |
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| 01:01:33 | webguest85 | I really need HELP!!! |
| 01:01:40 | petur | ouch |
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| 01:02:06 | webguest85 | I was installing boot loader and half way through i stopped it now it won't go into disk mode :( |
| 01:02:20 | petur | player? |
| 01:02:33 | webguest85 | mini |
| 01:02:38 | webguest85 | ipod |
| 01:02:42 | petur | see ipodfaq in the wiki |
| 01:02:43 | grndslm | how many flash players can rockbox run on? just sansa e200 (even e280?) and nano 1st gen?? |
| 01:02:58 | webguest85 | it diddn't help |
| 01:03:14 | pixelma | grndslm: and OndioSP/FM :) |
| 01:03:31 | petur | webguest85: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_do_I_restore_my_broken_iPod |
| 01:03:39 | grndslm | pixelma: have you used it? |
| 01:03:53 | pixelma | and there's a slowly progressing port to the iriver ifp |
| 01:04:30 | grndslm | is the nano gonna have the best sound quality out of the working flash players? |
| 01:04:39 | grndslm | will the e280 work? |
| 01:05:02 | pixelma | grndslm: I own on OndioFM but it belongs to the old category of hardware codec players |
| 01:05:42 | pixelma | still I like it very much :) |
| 01:06:03 | grndslm | pixelma: i've never been an archos fan, they never seemed to get the interface right IMO |
| 01:06:18 | joshin | grndslm: The e280 is a subset of the group of e200 machines so it will run rockbox fine. |
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| 01:06:43 | pixelma | grndslm: I don't care about the Archos interface... |
| 01:06:43 | joshin | Or technically an element of the group of e200 machines. :) |
| 01:06:59 | grndslm | joshin: whatever, man... |
| 01:07:16 | grndslm | when people say that rockbox improves sound quality....is that just because of flac and ogg support? |
| 01:07:18 | grndslm | or what? |
| 01:08:23 | Forte | whats some good music people? |
| 01:09:00 | webguest85 | I was installing boot loader and half way through i stopped it now it won't go into disk mode :( on mini ipod |
| 01:09:02 | joshin | Rockbox is better at utilizing the flux capacitor with its wonderful equalizer. Of course if you take a look at the wiki for the e200, you'll see that sound quality is not yet optimized. |
| 01:09:27 | grndslm | Forte: www.last.fm can help you out with that |
| 01:09:41 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:09:41 | webguest85 | anyone help me? |
| 01:09:56 | webguest85 | PLZ |
| 01:09:59 | joshin | webguest85: did the restore link not help? |
| 01:10:04 | webguest85 | NOOO |
| 01:10:16 | webguest85 | IT DOES NOT GO INTO DISK MODE |
| 01:10:50 | Forte | webguest |
| 01:10:54 | webguest85 | yes |
| 01:10:55 | Forte | hold play and select when booting |
| 01:10:56 | joshin | So what does it do then when you hold Select and Play down? |
| 01:11:03 | webguest85 | i did |
| 01:11:11 | Forte | ipod minis are shit |
| 01:11:14 | Forte | mine is broken |
| 01:11:21 | webguest85 | bright background and black apple |
| 01:11:48 | joshin | Are you sure you're moving your fingers from SEL+Menu to Sel+Play? |
| 01:12:01 | webguest85 | yes |
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| 01:13:49 | Forte | http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/1338/setupaf5.jpg http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/238/04030718371fg7.jpg my tripple screen setup |
| 01:14:08 | joshin | Bummer, I guess you're going to need to make arrangements for its funeral. |
| 01:14:35 | joshin | Forte: using Synergy? |
| 01:14:46 | Forte | for the other laptop |
| 01:15:01 | Forte | just because maxivista refuses to get signed drivers |
| 01:15:24 | Llorean | webguest85: If it freezes at the Apple logo, you aren't quite doing the disk mode thing right most likely. Try doing it later or earlier. |
| 01:15:25 | Forte | and im on x64 |
| 01:15:33 | Llorean | Forte: Please keep discussion on-topic to Rockbox. |
| 01:15:39 | Forte | im sorry Llorean |
| 01:15:50 | webguest85 | no |
| 01:16:04 | amiconn | Imho the minis are the only ipods with a proper case (i.e. half-decent scratch resistance) |
| 01:16:09 | webguest85 | i installed the loader about half way then stoped |
| 01:16:22 | webguest85 | now it doesn't go in disk mode |
| 01:16:22 | amiconn | The nano 2g also has that, but doesn't run rockbox |
| 01:16:41 | grndslm | i hate the mini's top & bottom edges tho...specifically the bottom |
| 01:16:49 | grndslm | doesn't feel good in my hands at all |
| 01:17:30 | webguest85 | and no it doesn't go into i have tried 20 times |
| 01:18:09 | markun | webguest85: well, then I don't think there is anymore you can do |
| 01:18:11 | Llorean | webguest85: If you try the wrong thing 20 times, it won't make it any more likely to work. |
| 01:18:29 | Llorean | webguest85: What do you mean by "i intalled the loader about half way then stopped' |
| 01:18:35 | Llorean | installed |
| 01:18:37 | webguest85 | well differant times |
| 01:18:44 | webguest85 | just stopped the installer |
| 01:18:50 | grndslm | soo...will sansa e280 ever be truly supported, sound quality, fm radio, & all?? |
| 01:18:53 | webguest85 | hold on |
| 01:18:56 | Forte | how can you stop the installer |
| 01:18:58 | Forte | its like |
| 01:18:59 | Forte | boom |
| 01:19:01 | Forte | and its done |
| 01:19:12 | webguest85 | I installed b4 i put the .rockbox |
| 01:19:29 | Llorean | webguest85: If you've installed the bootloader, but not Rockbox, try this |
| 01:19:39 | Llorean | webguest85: Hold Menu+Select. As soon as the screen clears, turn on the hold switch |
| 01:19:43 | Llorean | Leave it on |
| 01:19:48 | webguest85 | k |
| 01:19:48 | Llorean | Wait and see what happens |
| 01:19:54 | Llorean | grndslm: If somebody does it, yes. |
| 01:20:10 | webguest85 | same damned thing |
| 01:20:13 | Llorean | grndslm: Rockbox is entirely volunteer effort, we can't promise that anything will ever happen. |
| 01:20:19 | webguest85 | hold on TYVM |
| 01:20:24 | webguest85 | IT WORKED |
| 01:20:27 | webguest85 | YAY |
| 01:20:27 | Llorean | webguest85: As I said, "wait" |
| 01:20:36 | Llorean | Because the bootloader's working fine, this means that you *definitely* were doing Disk Mode wrong. |
| 01:20:46 | webguest85 | k |
| 01:20:52 | webguest85 | but I owe u one |
| 01:20:55 | Llorean | Anyway, you can finish the install now |
| 01:21:08 | webguest85 | or just restore it to apple lol |
| 01:21:27 | Llorean | Well yes, but if you didn't want Rockbox, why'd you start installing it? |
| 01:21:40 | webguest85 | well, it was my friend's |
| 01:21:45 | Llorean | The problem you encountered came from you not following the install instructions in the order they're written. |
| 01:21:51 | webguest85 | and he wanted it |
| 01:22:09 | webguest85 | yea i will finish another day |
| 01:22:32 | webguest85 | well, bye |
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| 01:23:44 | pixelma | ah... thanks petur :) |
| 01:24:00 | petur | heh, you reached wavview |
| 01:24:31 | pixelma | hehe |
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| 01:42:35 | grndslm | so...what do the rockbox gods suggest i buy? ipod, nano, e280?? I would like to start archiving cds in flac, so I'm assuming not the nano... |
| 01:42:59 | grndslm | plus its battery *reeaallly* sucks |
| 01:43:25 | Llorean | You're gonna want a lot more than 8gb if you're archiving in flac. |
| 01:43:30 | Llorean | Pick an HD based player |
| 01:43:32 | Llorean | Say, Gigabeat F60 |
| 01:43:57 | grndslm | but...a sandisk e280 8gb new for only $145 shipped sounds sooo tempting |
| 01:44:15 | grndslm | and i could just keep the archives on my desktop's hd... |
| 01:44:17 | grndslm | and take what i need |
| 01:44:21 | markun | but if you are archiving in flac you can also produce ogg vorbis (or whatever) files from them to put on your player |
| 01:44:26 | grndslm | and then get the 64gb flash in another 3 years |
| 01:44:36 | grndslm | yes...exactly |
| 01:44:59 | grndslm | so, e280 prolly won't be so bad? i just don't want the sandisk support to totally suck for rockbox and me figure this out after i buy it |
| 01:45:30 | grndslm | as long as i can listen to quality recordings on a relatively stable rockbox...i think i'm gonna have to go for it |
| 01:45:48 | grndslm | i'll check out the gigabeat f60, tho |
| 01:46:00 | Llorean | grndslm: You can purchase a 40gb Gigabeat for $99 |
| 01:46:29 | grndslm | yea, i just don't like portable devices that use hds |
| 01:46:40 | Llorean | The Sansa, as well as all iPods, use chips we can't support well yet. While they're "okay" for use, they aren't up yet to the same standards as the other players. |
| 01:47:10 | amiconn | grndslm: If you plan on using flac you'll need lots of storage capacity |
| 01:47:16 | Llorean | grndslm: Then purchase a cheap HD based player, the cheapest you can find, and swap out for an SSD drive. |
| 01:47:16 | grndslm | do you estimate support will gro for the sansas?? |
| 01:47:22 | amiconn | Something flash based daps don't offer yet |
| 01:47:25 | grndslm | amiconn: it doesn't take that long to transfer files |
| 01:47:25 | Llorean | grndslm: As I said, it cannot be predicted. |
| 01:47:38 | Llorean | grndslm: Support will grow if people get the work done. |
| 01:47:48 | Llorean | This depends on too many factors to have any hope of even guessing. |
| 01:47:56 | grndslm | well, don't you have a magic 8-ball around or something to give fools like me the answer |
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| 01:48:05 | Llorean | grndslm: No, never fully supported. |
| 01:48:05 | Llorean | There. |
| 01:48:19 | grndslm | awesome...gigabeat it is |
| 01:48:22 | Llorean | My 8-ball said "Signs are negative" |
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| 01:48:30 | Llorean | But, it is pseudorandom, so that's a bit unreliable. |
| 01:48:49 | Llorean | I expect the Sansa to work well eventually, but not on a decent timeline. I expect to need at least a new battery for it by then. |
| 01:48:55 | * | amiconn wouldn't like to transfer files back & forth all the time |
| 01:49:04 | amiconn | Even if the transfer itself is fast |
| 01:49:11 | Llorean | amiconn: Neither would I. |
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| 01:49:47 | amiconn | Preparation for using flac was one reason why I upgraded my iriver to 80GB |
| 01:50:15 | grndslm | how large would a full cd be when ripped to flac? |
| 01:51:03 | Llorean | Anywhere from 250mb to 600mb depending on the content of the CD, though expect higher numbers on average, 450-500 I'd say. |
| 01:51:29 | Llorean | Assuming a full, large CD. |
| 01:51:31 | grndslm | damn....yea, even with 40 gigs, that's not too many cds |
| 01:51:49 | Llorean | You should never put your 'permanent' copy on a portable player anyway |
| 01:52:44 | grndslm | yea, i think i like the flac archiving on desktop and making 256k vbr mp3s |
| 01:52:51 | grndslm | mp3s are sooo much more universal |
| 01:53:19 | grndslm | i guess i'll have to just use rockbox when it's more developed for the e280...i just gotta have it |
| 01:54:15 | amiconn | Llorean: why? I do that... |
| 01:54:43 | grndslm | because it's a hard drive, and if it's your only copy & you drop it...then you're screwed |
| 01:54:59 | Llorean | amiconn: You only have on copy of your music, on a portable? |
| 01:55:02 | Llorean | one |
| 01:55:12 | amiconn | nope |
| 01:55:23 | Llorean | Okay, I rather meant "your sole copy" than your "permanent" |
| 01:55:24 | * | amiconn has several daps so he has several copies :) |
| 01:55:31 | Llorean | I perhaps phrased it badly |
| 01:55:36 | grndslm | yea..sounded weird |
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| 01:57:24 | perldiver | anyone who's still after the gigabeat f40 deal, they are still available on amazon |
| 01:57:34 | perldiver | today around 4000 units were sold |
| 01:58:00 | perldiver | i think soon we'll have quite an addition to the rockbox users :P |
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| 02:05:39 | Forte | what is a gigabeat |
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| 02:06:15 | perldiver | an mp3 player? |
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| 02:09:24 | einyx_ | hi |
| 02:09:31 | einyx_ | anyone have a ipod nano? |
| 02:09:38 | einyx_ | pls :( |
| 02:10:17 | perldiver | einyx_ do you have nano 2nd gen by any chance? |
| 02:11:55 | einyx_ | perldiver, before the latest |
| 02:12:14 | einyx_ | i lost my backup :( |
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| 02:12:27 | einyx_ | <einyx_> perldiver, before the latest |
| 02:12:27 | einyx_ | <einyx_> i lost my backup :( |
| 02:12:38 | einyx_ | anyone have this? |
| 02:13:02 | pearldiver | what do you mean by "backup" ? |
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| 02:13:48 | einyx_ | pearldiver, backup of firmware |
| 02:13:57 | Forte | uh |
| 02:14:00 | Forte | you dont need one |
| 02:14:04 | Forte | use itunes |
| 02:14:06 | Forte | it will fix it |
| 02:14:20 | einyx_ | i use linux |
| 02:15:16 | Forte | how do you boot ipod linux, rockbox, and appleos all on the same |
| 02:15:48 | pearldiver | hehe |
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| 02:16:07 | pearldiver | einyx_ yes, just find an osx or windows machine and restore it with itunes |
| 02:16:15 | einyx_ | fiuuu... |
| 02:16:16 | einyx_ | thx |
| 02:16:42 | pearldiver | toffe82 heh are you still after that chinese "deal" ? |
| 02:17:00 | toffe82 | just for fun |
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| 02:19:31 | toffe82 | I wan t a X, I hope I will get the broken one on ebay ;) |
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| 02:20:46 | pearldiver | toffe82 tell me about it :P |
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| 02:21:24 | toffe82 | no you are going to bid on it ;) |
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| 02:21:56 | toffe82 | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=005&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=150110143010&rd=1&rd=1 |
| 02:22:08 | toffe82 | it has a broken display so you need a spare |
| 02:22:18 | toffe82 | from a S for example |
| 02:22:22 | pearldiver | hehe |
| 02:22:28 | pearldiver | no, it was just an expression |
| 02:22:53 | toffe82 | but broken display is common on the S |
| 02:23:11 | toffe82 | but I have som espare :) |
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| 02:29:16 | perlperl | toffe82 just keep asking him for pictures i guess |
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| 02:46:05 | dsheets | einyx_, I have one |
| 02:46:05 | einyx_ | dsheets, backup firmware? :P |
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| 02:46:05 | dsheets | einyx_, I have, the internal rom, osos, and firmware/bootloader. What do you need? |
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| 02:46:05 | einyx_ | i have deleted primary partition |
| 02:46:05 | einyx_ | what I need? |
| 02:46:05 | dsheets | einyx_, probably just osos |
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| 02:46:05 | dsheets | it's about 80MB |
| 02:46:05 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK einyx_ |
| 02:46:05 | einyx_ | dsheets, query |
| 02:46:05 | dsheets | einyx_, ? |
| 02:46:05 | grndslm | how is gigabeat's cross-navigation thingy? is it variable speed like ipods? |
| 02:46:05 | Llorean | grndslm: It should really just be thought of as 5 buttons, as far as Rockbox is concerned right now |
| 02:46:05 | Llorean | I'd go nuts moving from top to bottom, picking up, and repeating anyway. |
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| 02:46:05 | grndslm | if you moved real fast, tho...you could scroll from A to L in one swoo, tho...if it were variable speed |
| 02:46:11 | grndslm | *sop |
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| 02:46:23 | grndslm | *swoop...damn wireless keyboard |
| 02:46:27 | Llorean | It'd have to skip a LOT of entries |
| 02:46:33 | Llorean | You'd lose a rather huge amount of accuracy |
| 02:46:39 | Llorean | Paged scrolling works better for that sort of thing |
| 02:47:31 | grndslm | Llorean: that's why it's variable speed...if you wanted to move down the list slowly, then you just move your finger slowly...the velocity of the finger swipe determines how far in the list you'll advance |
| 02:47:44 | grndslm | just like the ipod...but the ipod is a circle, which is hard to beat... |
| 02:47:52 | Llorean | I don't like the circle |
| 02:47:57 | Llorean | I like being able to just hold down a button. |
| 02:48:07 | grndslm | but for huge lists that could take forever |
| 02:48:18 | grndslm | because you're forced to see everything you know you could skip over |
| 02:48:24 | Llorean | Paged scrolling, as I said |
| 02:48:37 | einyx_ | dsheets, who send me the file? |
| 02:48:57 | grndslm | hmm...I still think I'd rather have a rockboxed ipod |
| 02:49:02 | Llorean | Besides, the precision you can get for variable scrolling is dependent upon the number of sensors you've got and how often you can get data from them. |
| 02:49:15 | dsheets | einyx_, what??? I'll put the file on the net, one sec |
| 02:49:25 | grndslm | how is battery life on gigabeat after being rockboxed? |
| 02:49:32 | Llorean | Better or equal to the original firmware |
| 02:49:48 | grndslm | really? it doesn't decrease like the ipod's? |
| 02:49:58 | grndslm | or have ipod issues been resolved |
| 02:50:02 | einyx_ | dsheets, ok |
| 02:50:05 | Llorean | The iPod issues are just that: iPod Issues |
| 02:50:09 | Llorean | Or more specifically PortalPlayer issues |
| 02:50:24 | grndslm | you've lost me... |
| 02:50:27 | Llorean | Most of our players see equivalent or better battery life, with the only real exception being the "PortalPlayer" category |
| 02:50:28 | grndslm | PortalPlayer? |
| 02:50:32 | Llorean | The chip in the iPods |
| 02:50:34 | Llorean | The main processor |
| 02:50:38 | grndslm | ahh... |
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| 02:50:47 | Llorean | The H10 and the Sansa also use it |
| 02:50:50 | Llorean | Rockbox itself is quite efficient |
| 02:50:56 | Llorean | It's a hardware issue that is the problem |
| 02:50:56 | grndslm | i would imagine so |
| 02:51:27 | grndslm | so you think gigabeat f 40gb can't be beat, eh? |
| 02:51:42 | grndslm | at least in terms of rockbox |
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| 02:51:53 | Llorean | I think it can very easily be beat by the H120/140 |
| 02:52:08 | Llorean | But those are harder to come by, and not everyone is willing to sacrifice a color screen for the added bonuses |
| 02:52:27 | grndslm | rockbox doesn't have color? |
| 02:52:53 | Llorean | No, the H120/140 doesn't have color... |
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| 02:54:37 | grndslm | Llorean: the gigabeat doesn't have a replaceable battery does it? |
| 02:54:43 | grndslm | that is definitely a must for me |
| 02:54:52 | grndslm | top of the list in DAP features |
| 02:55:07 | grndslm | i'm not a fan of buying paperweights |
| 02:55:10 | Llorean | And yet you want an iPod... |
| 02:55:24 | grndslm | well, i'd prolly get the iMod, honestly |
| 02:55:46 | grndslm | and I hear the guy that sells 'em pretty much services them for life...so I could just ship it to him and have it replaced |
| 02:55:57 | Llorean | Any battery is replaceable, it's just a question of whether you can purchase replacement and how much work you're willing to do. |
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| 02:56:20 | Llorean | Honestly, I'd buy a gigabeat because they're cheap right now, and assume that in two years there's going to be something better enough. |
| 02:56:22 | grndslm | i know i'll be able to buy an ipod battery 3 years from now...dunno about toshiba's mp3 players |
| 02:56:32 | DerPapst | linuxstb: still there? |
| 02:56:37 | Llorean | Or I'd buy something that uses rechargeable AAs and AAAs so I know that replacement batteries will be available until the end of town |
| 02:56:42 | Llorean | grndslm: No, you won't necessarily be able to. |
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| 02:56:51 | Llorean | grndslm: You'll be able to buy a battery for the current generation of iPod. |
| 02:57:06 | grndslm | bu not for 4th gen ipods? |
| 02:57:12 | Llorean | You might, but you've no guarantee |
| 02:57:19 | grndslm | i'm sure sombody's gotta be able to sell 'em somewhere |
| 02:57:36 | grndslm | i'm looking at probabilities here... |
| 02:57:39 | Llorean | The iPod crowd is big on upgrading. |
| 02:57:42 | DerPapst | ifixit.com or so has batteries |
| 02:57:43 | Llorean | It's likely, but not guaranteed. |
| 02:57:48 | grndslm | exackery |
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| 02:58:49 | grndslm | i'd really love a device that ran on AAs or AAAs, but I don't think any of them will ever run Rockbox |
| 02:59:22 | Llorean | The Archos Jukebox Recorder v1 runs on rechargeable AAs and runs Rockbox, though it only supports MP3s (and in the future WAV files probably) |
| 02:59:29 | Llorean | It also uses a 2.5" HD meaning it's very upgradeable. |
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| 03:00:25 | grndslm | hmm...i'll have to look into that...i'd prefer something new, tho...doubt they still make that, right? |
| 03:00:38 | Llorean | Long, long old. |
| 03:00:56 | grndslm | i hate DAPs....there's always one thing that just makes it a deal breaker |
| 03:01:10 | grndslm | for me at least |
| 03:01:28 | Llorean | That's because you're planning on maintaining the DAP, and they're intended as disposable devices these days |
| 03:02:26 | grndslm | that's why most of them are deal breakers...exactly |
| 03:02:33 | dsheets | what about Cowon (Cowan?) devices? |
| 03:02:44 | dsheets | iAudio I think they're called |
| 03:02:50 | grndslm | do any of them have replaceable batteries? |
| 03:03:06 | grndslm | and pref more than 2GB of storage? |
| 03:03:11 | dsheets | I dunno... but last time I was shopping they looked pretty sweet |
| 03:03:21 | dsheets | i can't remember specs |
| 03:03:35 | grndslm | the d2 looks pretty sweet to me, but i don't think i'm looking for a touchscreen.... |
| 03:04:28 | grndslm | just a few buttons, variable scroll (fairly sure e280 does this), user-replaceable battery, & 4gb of storage |
| 03:04:32 | grndslm | is that too much to ask for? |
| 03:05:17 | Llorean | If the e200 series meets your needs, why don't you choose them? |
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| 03:06:09 | zylche | is it normal for the ipod to start beeping and for me to have i/o problems all of a sudden? :þ |
| 03:06:49 | TrueJournals | I'm going to take a wild guess and say no... |
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| 03:24:28 | rl_ent | n e 1 ever had the problem after restoring an ipod video, it prompts to restore it again, and keeps on doing this? i think i have corrupted firmware |
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| 03:25:30 | rl_ent | trying to install rockbox but i i get an error while trying to move the firmware image |
| 03:25:47 | l2eM1x | whats the error |
| 03:27:38 | rl_ent | "error reading from disk; data error (cyclinic redundancy check).−−−−:no error−−-[ERR] Image movement failed.−−−−−−[ERR]install failed |
| 03:27:48 | l2eM1x | that is weird |
| 03:27:52 | l2eM1x | have you searched? |
| 03:27:57 | rl_ent | for? |
| 03:28:02 | l2eM1x | your error |
| 03:28:19 | rl_ent | yeah ive been on apple support all day |
| 03:28:26 | rl_ent | updated itunes |
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| 03:28:34 | l2eM1x | isnt this a rockbox error? |
| 03:28:39 | rl_ent | yeah |
| 03:28:42 | rl_ent | but my guess is |
| 03:28:45 | Llorean | CRC errors often mean a bad cable. |
| 03:28:48 | rl_ent | corrupted firmware |
| 03:28:54 | rl_ent | oh |
| 03:28:56 | l2eM1x | well there ya go |
| 03:29:07 | l2eM1x | im glad I could be completely useless |
| 03:29:09 | l2eM1x | :) haha |
| 03:29:12 | rl_ent | haha |
| 03:29:30 | rl_ent | ima get another. b bak n a min |
| 03:30:13 | l2eM1x | does anyone know why my wps would make my ipod sluggish? |
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| 03:37:49 | rl_ent | used another cable and still same error. when its moving the images to create room for the new one, (ROCKBOX), doesnt it need a functional apple firmware to mold with rockbox to be able to dual boot? |
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| 03:53:53 | oblib | Hi, I'm trying to update the speex codec and get the following error: make[2]: *** No rule to make target `speex/speex_bits.h', needed by `/home/mythtv/sources/rockbox/rockbox/build/apps/codecs/speex.o'. Stop. |
| 03:54:03 | oblib | I don't know much about makefiles and how they work, can someone help me? |
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| 03:57:12 | GuardianHead | Do you guys have any suggestions how to contact Mikachu, AKA http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MikaelMagnusson |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:44 | GuardianHead | Wow, nobody here? |
| 04:02:13 | Alonea | I don't know how to contact him |
| 04:02:29 | GuardianHead | google just gave me his email, so I'm good :) |
| 04:03:40 | perlperl | JdGordon here? |
| 04:03:40 | Alonea | that works |
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| 04:06:30 | oblib | nm, I think I got it |
| 04:06:58 | perlperl | was JdGordon's customizable icons patch committed? |
| 04:09:08 | TrueJournals | Speaking of that patch, I'm having a bit of trouble with it... but I think it might be related to other patches I have applied (I don't have time right now to test) |
| 04:09:31 | TrueJournals | When I apply a new icon set I get a data abort error... I'm using a H10 |
| 04:11:03 | perlperl | TrueJournals i cant even patch the clean source with it now |
| 04:11:30 | perlperl | list.c errors |
| 04:11:54 | | Nick perlperl is now known as pearldiver (n=say@cpe-72-225-231-80.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 04:11:56 | TrueJournals | I got one error for list.c and when I looked at the source, it turned out that the change had already been made |
| 04:12:03 | pearldiver | hmm |
| 04:13:07 | TrueJournals | I also got an error for viewers.config... I just replaced the file with the rejects file |
| 04:13:15 | pearldiver | heh |
| 04:13:21 | JdGordon | pearldiver: hey, not yet |
| 04:13:25 | pearldiver | ah |
| 04:13:33 | pearldiver | the artist himself :P |
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| 04:13:54 | pearldiver | so yeah, list.c and viewers.config errors |
| 04:14:28 | JdGordon | whats the error with viewers.config? |
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| 04:15:18 | TrueJournals | JdGordon: For me, it just turned out that it couldn't replace the file... maybe one of my other patches was the problem. Might be better to ask pearldiver about that... I'm going to try to apply to a clean SVN right now... |
| 04:15:24 | pearldiver | FAILED at #1 :P |
| 04:16:40 | JdGordon | oh, does it make sense to assume that all icons are square? so loading a 16pixel wide bmp will autmatically guess the hieght is 16? |
| 04:17:16 | TrueJournals | JdGordon: Couldn't you divide the height by 32 (the number of icons) to find out what the height is? |
| 04:17:47 | JdGordon | no, because the number of icons isnt constant |
| 04:17:54 | TrueJournals | That's what I figured |
| 04:18:02 | JdGordon | the viewer icons are all there also and could be as many as 16 extra icons |
| 04:18:27 | TrueJournals | yeah... didn't think about that |
| 04:19:05 | TrueJournals | I think it's a bit dangerous to assume it's square though because the default is 6x8 |
| 04:20:38 | JdGordon | its better than trying to find the setting when you load a 16x16 iconsset after a 8x8 |
| 04:20:51 | JdGordon | noone is going to make a custom 6x8... its too small |
| 04:21:32 | TrueJournals | JdGordon: When applying the patch on a clean SVN, I first get a viewers.config error that hunk #1 failed, then I get a prompt for list.c that a reversed (or previously applied) patch detected |
| 04:22:11 | TrueJournals | The first hunk from list.c seems to be unneeded because the change from 1 to 2 seems to already be in the source |
| 04:22:14 | JdGordon | ok, ignore tlist.c |
| 04:22:21 | TrueJournals | I don't know what's wrong with viewers.config |
| 04:22:21 | JdGordon | my local tree hasnt been svn uped for a while |
| 04:24:04 | pearldiver | ah |
| 04:24:13 | TrueJournals | Ah... the problem with viewers.config is that support for the .mpeg extension has been added |
| 04:26:28 | TrueJournals | compiling... |
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| 04:29:46 | TrueJournals | JdGordon: Here's what I'd do about size: If being defined by a theme, let them put in the icon size (or use a square default), in case theme makers want to use the default set, but in white... otherwise, assume square |
| 04:36:00 | TrueJournals | Yeah, even with clean SVN, I get the error: Data abort at 00028BD4 when trying to apply an iconset |
| 04:36:06 | TrueJournals | unfortunately, I have to go |
| 04:36:45 | TrueJournals | bye |
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| 05:00:47 | * | JdGordon wishes he had $200 to buy one of the cheap gigabeats.. |
| 05:01:04 | JdGordon | these 16x16 icons look great, but the h300 screen just isnt big enough :p |
| 05:04:30 | pearldiver | $200? |
| 05:04:34 | pearldiver | its $90 :P |
| 05:04:38 | pearldiver | as of today |
| 05:05:08 | midgey | or $100 if you're looking to use amazon |
| 05:06:54 | JdGordon | AUD$200 almost |
| 05:06:59 | JdGordon | taking into account postage cost |
| 05:09:15 | JdGordon | jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/rockbox/">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/rockbox/ |
| 05:09:20 | JdGordon | check out the screenshots in there |
| 05:09:49 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 05:11:22 | * | midgey whistles approvingly |
| 05:11:55 | JdGordon | not my icons, but how do they they look! |
| 05:12:23 | pearldiver | JdGordon yes i really wanted to install them today! |
| 05:12:39 | pearldiver | but your patch doesnt work :) |
| 05:12:59 | JdGordon | what target? |
| 05:13:01 | midgey | JdGordon: they look nice |
| 05:13:15 | midgey | maybe some possible copyright issues, but nice |
| 05:13:37 | pearldiver | JdGordon, like i said, at the patching stage |
| 05:13:58 | pearldiver | list.c and viewers.config errors |
| 05:14:41 | JdGordon | pearldiver: na, there is more changes done this morning... so either wait till i have lunch, or ill build for you |
| 05:15:19 | pearldiver | JdGordon ah i see |
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| 05:17:15 | JdGordon | hmm.. no mention of the icons patch over night.. guess it wont be in svn till sunday then |
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| 05:20:07 | midgey | JdGordon: i've been a bit busy so I haven't had a chance to look at the code, but its a feature I'd like to see (esp. on color targets) |
| 05:21:16 | pearldiver | oh invadrox crashes the player |
| 05:21:20 | pearldiver | i wonder since when |
| 05:21:44 | | Nick Hammer is now known as Hammer89 (n=soc_inte@host-24-149-166-187.patmedia.net) |
| 05:23:28 | Hammer89 | Hi... I was looking at the recent SVN activity... and I noticed that someone said "Users with bootloaders older than 20 March 2007 will have to update." How do I know if my bootloader is up-to-date or not? |
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| 05:25:08 | GuardianHead | Just update it anyway to be safe? |
| 05:25:58 | Hammer89 | Hmmm... how would I go about doing that? I'm extremely new to this... and horrified at the thought of bricking my player (a Sansa e250) |
| 05:26:28 | GuardianHead | Don't you already have rockbox on it? |
| 05:27:06 | Hammer89 | Yes... but I used an installer made by someone else. Also, it boots the original firmware by default, and not rockbox |
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| 05:28:14 | l2eM1x | anybody with an ipod willing to test a theme for me? |
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| 05:34:54 | GuardianHead | Hammer89 I dunno how to do it on yours, I have an ipod nano |
| 05:34:59 | GuardianHead | l2eM1x if you tell me how, I can |
| 05:35:12 | l2eM1x | its pretty simple |
| 05:35:20 | l2eM1x | have you ever used a theme before? |
| 05:35:39 | GuardianHead | nope |
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| 05:35:50 | GuardianHead | and I have a nano, not a 'normal' ipod |
| 05:36:02 | l2eM1x | thanks man but I dont think it will work |
| 05:36:03 | l2eM1x | on a nan |
| 05:36:05 | l2eM1x | o |
| 05:36:10 | GuardianHead | ok |
| 05:36:22 | l2eM1x | thanks though |
| 05:36:33 | GuardianHead | np |
| 05:37:12 | pearldiver | l2eM1x i dont have an ipod but wouldnt mind to see a screen cap :P |
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| 05:37:17 | Hammer89 | Hmmm... Okay. Guess I'll have to try asking on here again some other time. :) Thanks anyway! |
| 05:37:44 | pearldiver | Hammer89 |
| 05:37:55 | pearldiver | you should really start with reading the manual |
| 05:38:11 | pearldiver | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-build.html |
| 05:38:11 | Hammer89 | I did... |
| 05:38:20 | l2eM1x | pearldiver ill have one up in a minute |
| 05:38:26 | l2eM1x | thanks! |
| 05:38:52 | pearldiver | Hammer89 ok, what anything puzzles you most about it? |
| 05:38:58 | pearldiver | -what |
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| 05:40:38 | l2eM1x | http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rockeryy5.png |
| 05:41:50 | Hammer89 | 1) I'm not sure if my bootloader is up-to-date (in this case: newer than March, 20th, 2007 |
| 05:41:50 | Hammer89 | 2) I'm not entirely clear on how to install the new bootloader... particularly in keeping it so the original firmware boots by default |
| 05:42:30 | pearldiver | l2eM1x ha |
| 05:43:04 | l2eM1x | ? |
| 05:43:12 | pearldiver | Hammer89 this page is really useful: |
| 05:43:16 | pearldiver | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch2.html |
| 05:43:23 | l2eM1x | pearldiver that isnt much help lol |
| 05:43:30 | l2eM1x | is that a "Its terrible" |
| 05:43:38 | pearldiver | l2eM1x now your theme :P |
| 05:44:26 | pearldiver | i would make maybe 2 versions: one with a guitar (i would use a different model/brand though) and one with a synth :P |
| 05:45:02 | l2eM1x | the guitar looks bad? |
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| 05:45:44 | pearldiver | hold on, ill show you what i would put |
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| 05:47:11 | Hammer89 | Hmmmmm.... okay. So just run sansapatcher.exe and it's done? |
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| 05:48:01 | IPOD80GB55G | Hi, I don't work with rockbox. |
| 05:48:13 | pearldiver | http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/4/7/5/273475.jpg |
| 05:48:27 | l2eM1x | its a good pic |
| 05:48:39 | l2eM1x | what part would you put in there |
| 05:48:51 | l2eM1x | the body or the neck |
| 05:49:02 | l2eM1x | you cant put the whole picture it will look terrible shrunk |
| 05:49:17 | pearldiver | body mostly, little of the neck |
| 05:49:24 | pearldiver | just play around with it |
| 05:49:29 | l2eM1x | can I have permission to write on the wiki? |
| 05:49:42 | l2eM1x | alright Ill put a few versions out there |
| 05:49:45 | l2eM1x | i like the orange one |
| 05:50:29 | pearldiver | Hammer89 pretty much |
| 05:51:07 | l2eM1x | pearl do you like the way its set up −− with the wps centered? i think its different |
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| 05:52:01 | pearldiver | l2eM1x yes i like the idea |
| 05:52:32 | Hammer89 | if the bootloader doesn't install properly... am I going to have to use the recovery mode? or will it just boot to the original firmware? |
| 05:53:37 | pearldiver | Hammer89 http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200TroubleShooting |
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| 05:53:48 | l2eM1x | awesome thanks pearldiver |
| 05:55:00 | pearldiver | l2eM1x not much info on the screen though |
| 05:55:06 | pearldiver | but i think some people like that |
| 05:55:11 | l2eM1x | yeah I like that |
| 05:55:14 | l2eM1x | i dont know |
| 05:55:21 | pearldiver | i like the clock at least :P |
| 05:55:30 | Hammer89 | Okay... the error codes would be displayed on the sansapatcher program? *feels so ignorant* |
| 05:55:36 | l2eM1x | :) |
| 05:56:24 | pearldiver | Hammer89 on the player itself |
| 05:56:28 | Hammer89 | oh |
| 05:57:39 | l2eM1x | could any admins give me access to the wiki |
| 05:58:54 | | Nick scorche` is now known as scorche (i=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 05:59:02 | aliask | l2eM1x: What's your wiki name? |
| 05:59:09 | l2eM1x | JasonTanz |
| 05:59:17 | aliask | Give me a tic |
| 05:59:28 | l2eM1x | im sorry I dont know what that means |
| 05:59:32 | Hammer89 | Pearldiver: and if I get an error... I'll have to use the recovery mode? |
| 05:59:39 | l2eM1x | 'tic' |
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| 06:00:04 | aliask | l2eM1x: It just means 'a short time' |
| 06:00:12 | l2eM1x | oh thanks :) |
| 06:00:25 | l2eM1x | english is my only language but I never heard that before |
| 06:00:30 | l2eM1x | heh |
| 06:00:52 | aliask | Well, it should be done |
| 06:01:04 | l2eM1x | it worked |
| 06:01:05 | l2eM1x | awesome |
| 06:01:06 | l2eM1x | thanks |
| 06:01:10 | aliask | No worries |
| 06:02:05 | pearldiver | Hammer89 depends on the error :P |
| 06:02:26 | Hammer89 | Ah... does it usually not work the first time? :P |
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| 06:02:58 | pearldiver | if you follow the manual it should work |
| 06:03:34 | Hammer89 | alright.... all the manual says is to run sansapatcher.exe, type "i," press enter... and that's it? |
| 06:03:43 | pearldiver | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Install |
| 06:03:50 | pearldiver | another useful page |
| 06:05:07 | l2eM1x | is the font snap in the font package? |
| 06:05:11 | pearldiver | i guess now you have to figure out if your rockbox installation was done before the sansapatcher |
| 06:06:00 | Hammer89 | yeah... |
| 06:06:35 | Hammer89 | when was sansapatcher released? |
| 06:07:20 | pearldiver | age: 2 weeks - Bump version to 0.2 with new bootloader |
| 06:08:12 | Hammer89 | I'm not sure I'm following... it was released 2 weeks ago? |
| 06:08:12 | pearldiver | about 4 weeks or so the initital version i think |
| 06:08:28 | pearldiver | yes, 2 weeks ago, the newer version |
| 06:09:32 | Hammer89 | okay... and it wont work right if the currently installed bootloader is older than that? |
| 06:10:18 | l2eM1x | aliask: i think i did something wrong |
| 06:10:48 | l2eM1x | okay i fixed it |
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| 06:13:44 | pearldiver | Hammer89 yes it will show you the message mentioned on that page |
| 06:13:53 | Hammer89 | okay |
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| 06:13:57 | pearldiver | and in that case you would have to restore the original firmware 1st |
| 06:14:34 | Hammer89 | mmhmm |
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| 06:16:02 | Hammer89 | is rockbox.e200 the bootloader file? |
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| 06:25:09 | pearldiver | Hammer89 no |
| 06:25:35 | Hammer89 | yeah... I just realized how dumb a question that was :P |
| 06:26:20 | sslashes | hey - anyone involved with SoC around? |
| 06:26:27 | pearldiver | it's a so called "firmware" file |
| 06:28:24 | Hammer89 | what's the filename? |
| 06:28:41 | l2eM1x | got my stuff updated to the wiki |
| 06:28:43 | l2eM1x | awesome |
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| 06:35:58 | aliask | JdGordon: I'm not sure if something's up with my build, but that iconset patch of yours doesn't seem to work properly for me |
| 06:36:41 | JdGordon | only a few icons are shown? |
| 06:36:44 | aliask | Yep |
| 06:37:02 | JdGordon | yeah, there is a silly bug in icon.c |
| 06:37:27 | aliask | Easy fix? |
| 06:37:46 | JdGordon | in screen_put_iconxy comment out everything after icon == Icon_NOICON in the if |
| 06:38:56 | aliask | So the if just has the two qualifiers? |
| 06:39:39 | JdGordon | yep |
| 06:40:02 | aliask | Let's give this a whirl |
| 06:40:08 | JdGordon | its an extra anity check, ive fixed it here, but its not really needed |
| 06:40:25 | JdGordon | sanity* |
| 06:40:32 | aliask | I'm also about halfway through making a icon set from the Tango icon library (I think they look nicer than eli's :P) |
| 06:41:14 | pearldiver | aliask oh wow |
| 06:41:39 | pearldiver | i had this idea today |
| 06:41:46 | aliask | JdGordon: Great job on the patch by the way |
| 06:42:17 | aliask | pearldiver: They're nice icons, I've wanted to do it for aaages |
| 06:43:44 | JdGordon | ill put a new synced patch up in a few min |
| 06:44:02 | aliask | Ok, it's much better now (all icons are loaded) but they're too close together |
| 06:44:12 | aliask | Vertical spacing is still 8px |
| 06:44:31 | sslashes | anyone know if the wiki is even remotely accurate (for instance - http://www.roox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SourceLayout)? |
| 06:44:41 | sslashes | and by accurate i mean "up to date" |
| 06:44:49 | JdGordon | aliask: you need to manually set the icon height in the lcd settings |
| 06:44:58 | JdGordon | and make sure the font is at least as high as the icons... |
| 06:46:11 | aliask | JdGordon: Better still, but now the icons overlap the first character of the text in the menus :P |
| 06:49:49 | JdGordon | jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/rockbox/loadable_icons.patch">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/rockbox/loadable_icons.patch |
| 06:51:30 | aliask | I'll try repatching. |
| 06:52:09 | Hammer89 | will running the SanDisk firmware updater completely over-write the rockbox installation? Or is that not recommended...? |
| 06:52:25 | JdGordon | AAWWW.. FUCK! i overwrote the charcell changes :'( |
| 06:52:47 | JdGordon | sslashes: the wiki shold be fairly up to date |
| 06:56:23 | Llorean | Hammer89: Those aren't the only two cases. Yes it will over-write Rockbox installation, but yes that's the recommended method of updating if you feel you need to update. You'll have to reinstall Rockbox afterward. |
| 06:57:20 | pearldiver | JdGordon will you update it now? |
| 06:57:40 | Hammer89 | Hmmm... so if I have an old bootloader... would the best way to update be to run the SanDisk firmware updater... and then sansapatcher.exe? |
| 06:57:58 | JdGordon | pearldiver: in a min, a bit more minor tweakin |
| 06:58:07 | Llorean | It's a fairly easy way to update, as long as Sandisk's new firmware version doesn't change the layout of the firmware partition. |
| 06:58:16 | l2eM1x | maybe you guys will appreciate this - > http://jaganath.wordpress.com/2006/05/06/windows-vista-source-code-leaked-2/ |
| 06:58:20 | pearldiver | JdGordon thanks :P |
| 06:58:32 | Hammer89 | Llorean: is there an easy way to find that out? |
| 06:59:14 | Llorean | Hammer89: I believe the only version that doesn't work is the beta version that Sandisk took down anyway. |
| 06:59:24 | Hammer89 | okay |
| 06:59:41 | Llorean | Hammer89: But the safest thing to do is update to the newest version shown at Daniel Stenberg's site, then sansapatcher, and don't worry about newer versions. |
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| 07:00:09 | JdGordon | :) ive got auto-eight-guestimation working properly also |
| 07:00:13 | Hammer89 | one other thing... is there a way to check what bootloader I have installed? i.e. how old it is, version, etc |
| 07:01:25 | Hammer89 | I'm not familiar with his site (at least I don't think I am...) could I have the link? |
| 07:01:56 | Llorean | Hammer89: Your bootloader reports the version number. If your bootloader isn't displaying any text (if it's the one installed with Sansapatcher) you can hold Left to load the original firmware, and while it's doing that read what it says. |
| 07:02:29 | Hammer89 | it always boots too fast for me to read :P |
| 07:03:07 | Llorean | Hammer89: Boot it multiple times and get one digit per boot. |
| 07:03:09 | Llorean | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html |
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| 07:04:08 | Hammer89 | that sounds fun... |
| 07:04:43 | Hammer89 | why is it safer to update using that site than to use SanDisk's updater? |
| 07:05:05 | l2eM1x | its just the mi4 |
| 07:05:06 | Llorean | Because the versions on that site are known to work, while Sandisk could release a new version we know nothing about? |
| 07:05:16 | Hammer89 | Ah, duh |
| 07:05:39 | Llorean | Sandisk can change the in-flash bootloader at any point to change what they expect in the firmware partition, and then we'd have to rewrite the install process (or tell people to downgrade) |
| 07:05:52 | Hammer89 | mmhmm |
| 07:07:24 | Hammer89 | Out of curiosity... what *would* happen if you were to format the 16MB recovery drive? |
| 07:07:37 | l2eM1x | you cant go into safe mode |
| 07:07:44 | l2eM1x | and resotore original firmware |
| 07:07:46 | l2eM1x | in case you error |
| 07:07:59 | Hammer89 | so you wouldn't be able to access the recovery mode at all? |
| 07:08:03 | l2eM1x | no |
| 07:08:11 | l2eM1x | it will something along the lines "Error loading image" |
| 07:08:13 | l2eM1x | or something |
| 07:08:19 | Hammer89 | okay |
| 07:08:23 | l2eM1x | in general its a bad idea |
| 07:08:32 | Hammer89 | haha... sounds like it ;) |
| 07:08:44 | l2eM1x | yeah stick away from that sucker :) |
| 07:09:03 | Hammer89 | so I just drop the mi4 file into the 16mb recovery drive? |
| 07:09:09 | l2eM1x | no |
| 07:09:14 | l2eM1x | put your sansa in msc mode |
| 07:09:16 | JdGordon | aliask: pearldiver, new verison online |
| 07:09:21 | l2eM1x | and just drag it into the root |
| 07:09:24 | Hammer89 | oh |
| 07:09:26 | l2eM1x | so if your sansa is G:\ |
| 07:09:29 | l2eM1x | put it right on G:\ |
| 07:09:31 | pearldiver | JdGordon great |
| 07:09:36 | JdGordon | on fs... |
| 07:09:41 | l2eM1x | and shut your e2xx off |
| 07:09:43 | Hammer89 | that sounds simple enough |
| 07:09:49 | l2eM1x | it really is |
| 07:09:52 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 07:09:53 | l2eM1x | the first time you are nervous |
| 07:09:57 | l2eM1x | but do it right the first time |
| 07:10:08 | l2eM1x | dont ever touch the 16mb drive |
| 07:10:39 | Hammer89 | which file is the one I want on the site Llorean posted? |
| 07:10:56 | l2eM1x | where do you live? |
| 07:11:00 | l2eM1x | what country |
| 07:11:08 | Hammer89 | U.S.A |
| 07:11:18 | Hammer89 | 1.02.15a? |
| 07:11:18 | l2eM1x | and your trying to update? |
| 07:11:31 | l2eM1x | if your trying to update yes |
| 07:11:36 | l2eM1x | dont touch bl.rom |
| 07:11:42 | l2eM1x | you shouldnt ever need a new bootloader |
| 07:11:48 | Hammer89 | I'm trying to remove the rockbox bootloader... so I have the original |
| 07:11:48 | l2eM1x | and if you do be sure you know what your doing |
| 07:11:50 | sslashes | anyone know what file screen size definitions are in? |
| 07:11:53 | l2eM1x | oh |
| 07:12:02 | Llorean | bl.rom has nothing to do with the Rockbox bootloader |
| 07:12:13 | Llorean | bl.rom is in-flash and not the area we deal with. |
| 07:12:15 | l2eM1x | rockbox loads in the flash no? |
| 07:12:21 | l2eM1x | ok nvm |
| 07:12:23 | Llorean | Sorry, in-ROM |
| 07:12:28 | Llorean | The Sansa's all-flash |
| 07:12:29 | l2eM1x | okay |
| 07:12:37 | l2eM1x | made me double take |
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| 07:12:54 | Llorean | You never, EVER replace the bl.rom unless you've got someone else telling you that you need it, and you can blame them for it. |
| 07:13:06 | Hammer89 | Hmmm |
| 07:13:12 | Llorean | The .mi4, when firmware upgraded, will remove the rockbox bootloader |
| 07:13:13 | l2eM1x | yeah that will brick your player |
| 07:14:11 | Hammer89 | so... I get the .m14 file, place it in the root, and restart the player? |
| 07:14:21 | Hammer89 | *.mi4 |
| 07:14:21 | l2eM1x | mi4 and yes pop it in the root |
| 07:14:28 | l2eM1x | nothing bad can happen if you do it that way |
| 07:14:33 | Hammer89 | okay |
| 07:14:34 | l2eM1x | just dont touch any bootloaders |
| 07:14:38 | l2eM1x | or format that silly drive |
| 07:14:40 | l2eM1x | hide that drive |
| 07:15:02 | Hammer89 | does anyone have a direct link to the .mi4 file I need? Just so I can't mess anything up :P |
| 07:15:05 | Llorean | Hammer89: Reboot into the official firmware. |
| 07:15:11 | Llorean | Hammer89: If you just stay in Rockbox the update will never happen. |
| 07:15:19 | Llorean | Hammer89: And any of the US MI4 files are fine. |
| 07:15:24 | l2eM1x | Hammer didnt we discuss which file to use? |
| 07:15:29 | l2eM1x | just use the .15 |
| 07:15:36 | l2eM1x | 1.02.15a i think |
| 07:15:49 | Hammer89 | this one? http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200/1.02.15a.mi4 |
| 07:15:56 | l2eM1x | yes i believe that was it |
| 07:16:36 | l2eM1x | Llorean does IRC have something that types the person your talking to's username |
| 07:16:45 | l2eM1x | like Hammer89: |
| 07:16:56 | pearldiver | JdGordon pretty much breaks all my other patches :P |
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| 07:17:18 | JdGordon | pearldiver: really? it doesnt effect _that_ many files |
| 07:18:04 | pearldiver | album art and dict are goners for sure |
| 07:19:04 | Hammer89 | should there be a 1.02.15a.mi4 file in my root regardless of whether or not I have rockbox installed? |
| 07:19:29 | n17ikh|Lappy | so my new (updated) rockbox for the H10 20gb has a rockbox.mi4 instead of a rockbox.h10, looks like binary formats got migrated |
| 07:19:35 | n17ikh|Lappy | does this entail a bootloader upgrade? |
| 07:19:36 | JdGordon | AA was gone because of wps tokeiser... |
| 07:19:48 | JdGordon | and isnt dict a plugin? |
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| 07:20:19 | Llorean | |ReM1x: Yes, but it depends on your client. Type the first few letters and hit tab, usually. Your name screws it up because it has a | in it. |
| 07:20:28 | Llorean | Er |2eM1x:, rather |
| 07:20:42 | l2eM1x | oh alright thanks |
| 07:20:47 | l2eM1x | remix is fine :P |
| 07:21:09 | Llorean | n17ikh|Lappy: If your bootloader is older than March 20, yes. |
| 07:21:46 | Llorean | Hammer89: It should be named PP5022.MI4, and you can delete it after it updates (Rockbox won't load any more, at all) if it's not removed for you |
| 07:21:48 | pearldiver | JdGordon AA was updated just recently |
| 07:21:50 | Llorean | It should be removed for you, I thnk |
| 07:21:59 | pearldiver | JdGordon and theres a new version of dict |
| 07:22:07 | pearldiver | exists as a patch for now |
| 07:22:12 | n17ikh|Lappy | I'm not sure if it is or not |
| 07:22:12 | Hammer89 | Hmmmm... |
| 07:22:17 | n17ikh|Lappy | I'll upgrade just to be safe.. |
| 07:22:20 | Hammer89 | I might have a little problem |
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| 07:22:35 | n17ikh|Lappy | when I upgrade, I should just be able to overwrite the old .rockbox directory with no problems, right? |
| 07:22:43 | n17ikh|Lappy | I should probably wipe out the non-used rockbox.h10 though... |
| 07:22:53 | Hammer89 | Llorean: the PP5022.MI4 file should be in my root? |
| 07:22:59 | l2eM1x | yes hammer |
| 07:23:01 | Llorean | Hammer89: You should put it in your root. |
| 07:23:08 | Llorean | Hammer89: It should be the file you downloaded. |
| 07:23:18 | l2eM1x | hammer it really is pretty simple |
| 07:23:29 | Llorean | n17ikh|Lappy: Yes |
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| 07:23:41 | n17ikh|Lappy | hm... What's nvram.bin contain? the nvram contents? What's rockbox doing with that beastie? |
| 07:23:42 | Hammer89 | I know... but I had a file mysteriously appear, or change names... and I have no idea what it is |
| 07:23:49 | l2eM1x | whats the name |
| 07:23:56 | Hammer89 | ³ |
| 07:24:01 | Hammer89 | like an exponent |
| 07:24:04 | l2eM1x | superscript 3? |
| 07:24:07 | l2eM1x | what the hell? |
| 07:24:10 | Hammer89 | yeah |
| 07:24:15 | Hammer89 | I have no idea |
| 07:24:18 | l2eM1x | weird |
| 07:24:24 | l2eM1x | just download that file and put it on your sansa |
| 07:24:27 | l2eM1x | its really easy |
| 07:24:37 | Hammer89 | alright |
| 07:24:50 | Hammer89 | I just wish I knew what that file was :P |
| 07:25:03 | Llorean | n17ikh|Lappy: Certain values that are preserved across boot are stored there rather than the .cfg file, because they wouldn't be human readable anyway. |
| 07:25:48 | l2eM1x | Hammer89: its the mi4 |
| 07:25:52 | l2eM1x | delete that 3 |
| 07:25:55 | l2eM1x | file |
| 07:26:03 | l2eM1x | and redownload or place the mi4 on there |
| 07:26:04 | Hammer89 | before or after I put the new one in? |
| 07:26:14 | l2eM1x | it doesnt matter |
| 07:26:20 | l2eM1x | here I will write it out step by step |
| 07:26:25 | Hammer89 | okay |
| 07:26:48 | pearldiver | JdGordon let me double check the svn, make its not clean enough |
| 07:26:54 | l2eM1x | 1.Download .mi4 |
| 07:26:54 | l2eM1x | 2.Place ONLY the .mi4 in the root of your sansa |
| 07:26:54 | l2eM1x | 3.Unplug sansa |
| 07:26:56 | l2eM1x | thats it |
| 07:26:58 | l2eM1x | please just do it lol |
| 07:27:01 | pearldiver | JdGordon im getting no love here |
| 07:27:11 | Hammer89 | haha... okay |
| 07:27:53 | Hammer89 | done |
| 07:27:58 | l2eM1x | thankyou! |
| 07:27:59 | l2eM1x | haha |
| 07:28:29 | l2eM1x | hows it looking |
| 07:28:44 | Hammer89 | should it have said it was updating the firmware? |
| 07:29:23 | l2eM1x | yes |
| 07:29:27 | Hammer89 | ... |
| 07:29:30 | l2eM1x | it didnt? |
| 07:29:33 | Hammer89 | it didnt :P |
| 07:29:36 | Llorean | Hammer89: Did you reboot into the original Firmware? |
| 07:29:38 | l2eM1x | okay whats the filename |
| 07:29:48 | Hammer89 | which file? the one I put in? |
| 07:29:52 | l2eM1x | Llorean: I think he may need to rename the file depending on his older version |
| 07:29:53 | Hammer89 | Llorean: yes, I did |
| 07:30:02 | l2eM1x | to pp2205 or whatever that is |
| 07:30:08 | Llorean | PP5022.MI4, as I said. |
| 07:30:11 | l2eM1x | what is your current firmware virsion |
| 07:30:12 | l2eM1x | yes |
| 07:30:16 | JdGordon | pearldiver: whats the problem? |
| 07:30:16 | l2eM1x | did you do that hammer? |
| 07:30:16 | | Part Llorean |
| 07:30:27 | Hammer89 | rename what to what...? |
| 07:30:37 | l2eM1x | okay plug your sansa back in |
| 07:30:40 | Hammer89 | it is |
| 07:30:43 | l2eM1x | okay |
| 07:30:45 | l2eM1x | open up the root |
| 07:30:48 | l2eM1x | the files still there? |
| 07:30:53 | Hammer89 | mmhmm |
| 07:30:57 | l2eM1x | okay |
| 07:31:03 | l2eM1x | what is it called |
| 07:31:18 | Hammer89 | what is what called...? |
| 07:31:42 | l2eM1x | the file |
| 07:31:53 | zylche | THE file. |
| 07:31:53 | Hammer89 | which one? |
| 07:32:04 | l2eM1x | the one file you downloaded |
| 07:32:08 | Hammer89 | oh |
| 07:32:22 | Hammer89 | 1.02.15a.mi4 |
| 07:32:35 | l2eM1x | rename it to this |
| 07:32:36 | l2eM1x | PP5022.MI4 |
| 07:32:49 | zylche | Remember the Pi symbol! |
| 07:32:49 | Hammer89 | okay |
| 07:32:54 | Hammer89 | :P |
| 07:33:04 | zylche | I was being serious. |
| 07:33:17 | l2eM1x | 3.14 |
| 07:34:01 | Hammer89 | maybe it has to do with the fact that I haven't had sleep for the past 20 hours... but I am *not* understanding :P |
| 07:34:16 | l2eM1x | yeah maybe you should sleep |
| 07:34:20 | Hammer89 | maybe |
| 07:34:48 | Hammer89 | I'd like to get this done first, though :P |
| 07:34:57 | l2eM1x | okay well rename the file and be done! |
| 07:35:08 | Hammer89 | so the Pi thing was a joke? :P |
| 07:35:12 | l2eM1x | yes |
| 07:35:13 | l2eM1x | PP5022.MI4 |
| 07:35:18 | Hammer89 | okay |
| 07:35:23 | Hammer89 | and then restart? |
| 07:35:28 | l2eM1x | yep |
| 07:35:31 | l2eM1x | unplug |
| 07:35:32 | Hammer89 | alright |
| 07:35:36 | zylche | I haven't slept for the past 20 hours either. |
| 07:35:39 | l2eM1x | "Updating firmware" |
| 07:35:44 | l2eM1x | i havent slept in 21 hours |
| 07:35:48 | zylche | Go yell at someone who isn't doing what you're doing. |
| 07:36:00 | l2eM1x | i was just trying to top you heh |
| 07:36:03 | zylche | 0635 here, woke up at 0930 yesterday. |
| 07:36:04 | zylche | shoot. |
| 07:36:13 | l2eM1x | i slept 14 hours ago |
| 07:36:16 | l2eM1x | so uh |
| 07:36:19 | zylche | weak! |
| 07:36:30 | Hammer89 | it's updating |
| 07:36:34 | l2eM1x | I am a terrible human |
| 07:36:41 | l2eM1x | after all this trouble you better damn well get some sleep |
| 07:36:47 | l2eM1x | and give me a kiss for putting up with you |
| 07:36:51 | Hammer89 | :P |
| 07:37:01 | Hammer89 | worked :) |
| 07:37:14 | pearldiver | JdGordon all good now |
| 07:37:20 | l2eM1x | there you go |
| 07:37:23 | l2eM1x | write my check to: |
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| 07:39:31 | Hammer89 | alright... ONE more question |
| 07:39:37 | l2eM1x | go |
| 07:39:37 | Hammer89 | j/k ;) |
| 07:39:40 | l2eM1x | ok nvm |
| 07:39:41 | l2eM1x | haha |
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| 07:39:44 | l2eM1x | kill yourself. |
| 07:39:52 | Hammer89 | :D |
| 07:40:03 | Hammer89 | thanks a ton for the help... sorry I'm so dense |
| 07:40:08 | l2eM1x | its cool |
| 07:40:09 | l2eM1x | go sleep |
| 07:40:19 | Hammer89 | going... |
| 07:40:24 | l2eM1x | ;} |
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| 07:40:43 | l2eM1x | im out too |
| 07:40:46 | l2eM1x | everybody miss me |
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| 07:41:14 | zylche | Oh what a pity. Nevermind. |
| 07:43:21 | pearldiver | JdGordon AA is good as well |
| 07:43:34 | pearldiver | i narrowed it down to just dict patch |
| 07:48:15 | JdGordon | :) |
| 07:48:41 | * | JdGordon hopes rasher can fix up rockbx-themes.org to handle the icons when its commited |
| 07:50:32 | pearldiver | oh |
| 07:50:52 | pearldiver | it looks really "wrong" on the screen now |
| 07:51:33 | kkurbjun | Has anyone dumped the contents of the nand flash on the gigabeat F/X? |
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| 07:54:30 | * | pearldiver investigates further |
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| 07:56:49 | Llorean | kkurbjun: You may want to contact http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9846.0 |
| 07:58:59 | | Part EbErT |
| 07:59:09 | pearldiver | JdGordon ah good now |
| 07:59:40 | pearldiver | JdGordon so right now only way to load them is to run theme.cfg? |
| 08:00 |
| 08:00:14 | kkurbjun | Llorean, thanks for the pointer |
| 08:03:08 | Llorean | kkurbjun: I'm assuming he's dumped it or at least come up with a method to read it, if he's modified it. :) |
| 08:03:48 | JdGordon | pearldiver: its in the context menu for .bmp's |
| 08:07:14 | pearldiver | JdGordon eli's icons look great |
| 08:07:36 | pearldiver | really make the whole thing fun to browse through :P |
| 08:07:44 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 08:07:48 | pearldiver | JdGordon thanks for this |
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| 08:11:42 | pearldiver | JdGordon btw, context menus |
| 08:13:09 | JdGordon | ? |
| 08:13:29 | pearldiver | are they suppose to be displayed differently? |
| 08:13:40 | pearldiver | cause i see no changes in the way the menus are displayed |
| 08:13:52 | JdGordon | how do you mean? |
| 08:14:43 | pearldiver | ah got it |
| 08:14:49 | pearldiver | its late here :P |
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| 08:16:52 | * | amiconn doesn't fully understand JdGordon's patch |
| 08:17:15 | | Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow") |
| 08:17:34 | pearldiver | amigan took me a few here :P |
| 08:17:40 | pearldiver | amiconn* |
| 08:17:48 | pearldiver | but at the end, its amazing |
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| 08:19:51 | * | amiconn doesn't see how this is 'amazing' but then he doesn't care that much about looks |
| 08:20:07 | pearldiver | hehe |
| 08:20:08 | amiconn | For some strange reason many people seem to care about looks |
| 08:20:18 | amiconn | I care more about functionality |
| 08:20:20 | hcs | because they can see? |
| 08:20:23 | pearldiver | i dont really care as well |
| 08:20:47 | pearldiver | but these little icons really help |
| 08:20:50 | amiconn | But my remark was related to how the patch does things, not what it does |
| 08:21:05 | Llorean | hcs: Yes, but how much time do you really spend looking at the screen, percentage wise? |
| 08:21:05 | pearldiver | figured |
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| 08:22:31 | JdGordon | amiconn: whats the problem? |
| 08:22:54 | JdGordon | for charcell gui/icon.c isnt compiled, only player/icons.c |
| 08:23:21 | | Part norbusan |
| 08:24:25 | amiconn | (1) Why 3 different functions to draw an icon? I would expect screen_put_iconxy() to be enough |
| 08:24:48 | hcs | Llorean: true, just being irritating, though the point remains that a nice looking system with limited functionality tends to "beat out" more advanced systems that don't look as good; looks are used for far more of the evaluation than is rational |
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| 08:24:57 | amiconn | (2) Why not put the icon width and height in the screen structure? The number of lines is already there |
| 08:25:26 | Llorean | hcs: Yeah, but that doesn't mean we should put a preference on looks at any point. Since we're not selling the system, we don't have to pander to evaluations, just what we as a group need from it. :) |
| 08:26:07 | amiconn | (3) The remark in apps/player/icons.c. This looks to me like charcell currently doesn't display any icons.... |
| 08:26:38 | hcs | Llorean: agreed. just trying to put my otherwise useless Psychology minor to work |
| 08:27:16 | amiconn | I would expect the mapping icon index->character happening somewhere |
| 08:27:41 | JdGordon | amiconn: 1) it starting with 2 because we needed to keep the code simple in list.c, but keyboard.c needs to draw to a pixel co-ord, the third one was because list.c went funny... 2) icons arnt loaded by the screen_access code, so putting it in that struct isnt so simple. 3) unless have put the wrong version of player/icons.c in the mapping happens there |
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| 08:30:25 | scorche | Soap_ Soap2: SYN |
| 08:30:38 | JdGordon | amiconn: the icons array in player/icons.c does the mapping |
| 08:31:18 | amiconn | With just [Icon_Language] = , etc?? |
| 08:31:47 | JdGordon | well, I have done it so the icons it was displaying before are displayed, and noting yet for the others |
| 08:32:11 | amiconn | There are no values for any icon... |
| 08:32:40 | zylche | 32x32, 64x64 |
| 08:32:42 | zylche | :þ |
| 08:32:46 | JdGordon | which patch dd you get? |
| 08:33:14 | amiconn | loadable_icons.patch |
| 08:33:51 | JdGordon | from which comment? |
| 08:34:07 | amiconn | Also, does this patch mean the icons for viewers are now built into the binary? |
| 08:34:21 | amiconn | (the default ones that is) |
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| 08:34:49 | amiconn | jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/rockbox/loadable_icons.patch">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/rockbox/loadable_icons.patch |
| 08:34:50 | JdGordon | yes |
| 08:35:01 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=13709 |
| 08:35:18 | JdGordon | that link was for aliask before, forgot to remove it |
| 08:35:50 | amiconn | That's not good imho. I thought we wanted to put the dynamic icons in a .bmp |
| 08:36:08 | JdGordon | that would have been better, but it makes it so much more complex |
| 08:36:15 | amiconn | why? |
| 08:36:58 | JdGordon | because we need NB_SCREENS more buffers for that bmp, then need to figure out a way to know if we are loading a viewer bmp or the main icons bmp, then put it in the right buffer |
| 08:37:12 | JdGordon | then finally display the right one (which is easier ..) |
| 08:37:32 | JdGordon | of course, if we could do this, we wouldnt need to worry about the icon height setting which is annoying |
| 08:37:44 | amiconn | yes |
| 08:38:20 | amiconn | I wondered about that setting |
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| 08:39:10 | JdGordon | needed because the number of icons isnt know, so we can simply do hieght/count |
| 08:39:15 | * | JdGordon back soon |
| 08:39:30 | amiconn | On a related note, do you have some binsize figures? |
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| 08:41:46 | amiconn | JdGordon: The number of icons could be specified as part of the .bmp file name |
| 08:42:22 | | Part kaaloo |
| 08:42:43 | amiconn | (or perhaps it's better to specify the icon resolution there) |
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| 08:50:05 | SliMM | now here's a little spam: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7022 |
| 08:50:11 | SliMM | what can be improved? |
| 08:51:59 | SliMM | can i edit my comments, because there are some ugly typos |
| 08:52:00 | SliMM | ? |
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| 08:57:01 | amiconn | JdGordon: I also think the various bmps for theming should only be loadable from .cfg, i.e. no extra items in the context menu. |
| 08:57:40 | amiconn | Otherwise, with more and more themable bitmaps coming, it will become awfully cluttered and confusing to the user |
| 08:57:41 | Llorean | I agree that icons shouldn't have a context menu entry. |
| 08:58:11 | JdGordon | amiconn: bin size depends on the target of course, charcell was 200bytes or something (probably because of the extra strings more than anything), 1300 on h300, 1100 on ondiosp |
| 08:58:16 | amiconn | wps bitmaps can also only be specified in a .wps file (even the wps backdrop) so I see no problem |
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| 08:58:46 | JdGordon | ok, so if those are removed there is a fair bit of code that can be stripped |
| 08:59:27 | amiconn | And I would really like to see the fixed and dynamic icons split in 2 bitmaps, loading the default dynamic icons always from bmp |
| 08:59:53 | JdGordon | I agree... |
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| 09:00:00 | amiconn | If they're missing, then there won't be icons for dynamic types |
| 09:00:48 | JdGordon | i cant chat anymore tonight, ill be back on tomorow night, ill check the logs anyway... |
| 09:01:03 | amiconn | For dynamic icons on charcell, buildzip.pl needs to learn some extra magic (provided we put the dynamic icons for charcell where those for bitmap were before) |
| 09:01:33 | amiconn | Perhaps you have another, better idea... |
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| 09:03:30 | amiconn | Could in fact also be a bmp strip. Would require a (limited) bmp loader on the player. |
| 09:04:00 | * | amiconn likes that idea more |
| 09:04:15 | amiconn | More similarity between targets, which is good |
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| 09:12:58 | pondlife | LinusN: Good morning |
| 09:13:13 | LinusN | morning |
| 09:13:22 | pondlife | Did you get time to post me a package yet? |
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| 09:14:09 | ender` | you'll be waiting for a while then :) |
| 09:14:23 | LinusN | pondlife: no, but i will have time today though.... |
| 09:14:47 | * | ender` just spent 30 mniutes figuring out why his keyboard wouldn't work except for a brief moment during bootup |
| 09:14:54 | pondlife | LinusN: Thanks |
| 09:14:59 | ender` | turned out that an USB hub must have hung or somethnig |
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| 09:16:10 | ender` | hm, i need to restart :( |
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| 09:17:06 | pondlife | petur: There you are |
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| 09:20:39 | * | Bagder_ curses stupid company proxies |
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| 09:21:24 | * | B4gder sallutes corkscrew and sshd on port 443 |
| 09:21:25 | * | petur agrees with B4gder |
| 09:22:58 | B4gder | this company even blocks corkscrew's home page ;-) |
| 09:24:01 | Zagor | haha |
| 09:24:13 | B4gder | but then they also block my page! |
| 09:24:38 | Zagor | sounds like they have a whitelist rather than a blacklist |
| 09:24:47 | Zagor | weird place |
| 09:24:50 | B4gder | I think they have some content-checking or so |
| 09:24:59 | Zagor | text/html = bad :) |
| 09:25:03 | B4gder | like triggering on some bad words or something |
| 09:25:08 | B4gder | like I can see the rockbox front page |
| 09:25:12 | B4gder | but not the forum index page |
| 09:25:21 | Zagor | well forum is a different host |
| 09:25:43 | B4gder | well, until I changed to run my own proxy through my corkscrew-tunnel that is B-] |
| 09:26:05 | B4gder | Zagor: sure, but i doubt they whitelist www.rockbox.org |
| 09:26:12 | Zagor | yeah |
| 09:28:16 | B4gder | but they need to fight harder to keep me locked in ;-O |
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| 09:40:49 | GodEater | B4gder: I didn't even do that - I used ssh to set up a tun0 device at each end, and then changed my default route to go through that |
| 09:41:24 | GodEater | only needs one iptables rule at the other end to do NAT, and away I go. |
| 09:41:39 | B4gder | yeah, but then you need to fiddle with the other end more |
| 09:41:55 | GodEater | no fiddling required |
| 09:42:04 | B4gder | "one iptables rule at the other end to do NAT" |
| 09:42:14 | GodEater | which you only ever have to set up once :) |
| 09:42:18 | B4gder | we're several guys doing the same stunt here |
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| 09:42:32 | B4gder | plus that we move around a lot |
| 09:42:43 | B4gder | but sure, sounds like a nice approach |
| 09:43:40 | GodEater | I had to work out how to do it myself too - which I find unusual - there was nothing on google about using sshd to do what I like to call "Reverse VPN" |
| 09:43:53 | GodEater | plenty about how to use it to access a private network from a public one |
| 09:43:58 | GodEater | but not the other way round |
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| 09:45:15 | GodEater | it also means that the connection is two way - like, if I get home and remember something I want from my work PC - I can use the network pipe it's created to access my work PC |
| 09:45:22 | GodEater | even though the connection was initiated at the other end |
| 09:45:50 | B4gder | yeah, but also a bit on the open side |
| 09:46:18 | B4gder | like you've opened a back door to people to hammer your work network |
| 09:46:23 | GodEater | it's still protected by the firewall at my router |
| 09:46:47 | GodEater | but technically yes you're right |
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| 09:47:20 | GodEater | although there are no routing rules set up at home to access the work network |
| 09:47:41 | GodEater | ahem - anyway - that's enough off topic talk :) |
| 09:47:56 | GodEater | my conscience is starting to get itchy |
| 09:47:58 | GodEater | :) |
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| 09:48:19 | B4gder | we do it to reach the rockbox community, which makes it on-topic! ;-P |
| 09:48:25 | GodEater | hehehe - I guess |
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| 10:04:36 | scorche | GodEater: people involved in the project get a bit more leeway ;) |
| 10:05:34 | * | GodEater wonders if scorche means him or B4gder |
| 10:06:02 | scorche | well, i consider you "involved" at this point |
| 10:06:39 | * | GodEater huffs on his coder badge and polishes it |
| 10:08:24 | Llorean | Apparently I've been rather active in IRC this month. |
| 10:08:45 | scorche | i have been on a large declivity for the past few months |
| 10:09:03 | Llorean | I just went and looked at the stats. |
| 10:09:06 | scorche | but i am active around the same amount of time...(idling a lot) |
| 10:09:15 | Llorean | Usually I'm active in the forums more than here, I think. |
| 10:09:26 | scorche | you are |
| 10:09:54 | Llorean | I was trying to figure out when I first came on IRC, but there's no obvious way to do that without searching the logs, I think |
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| 10:12:05 | scorche | i feel guilty for being a user for so long and only recently (this term may not apply to many) becoming "involved" |
| 10:14:49 | scorche | i suppose it has been over a year for me, but i still have a few years to go before overtaking my "user" period ;) |
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| 10:27:34 | jhMikeS | hmmm...it seems you have to flush caches from the context of the running core on pp...don't know if everyone knew this already and I'm just behind things |
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| 10:28:57 | LinusN | jhMikeS: we've deliberately kept that info from you, to keep you busy :-) |
| 10:29:17 | jhMikeS | hehe...it seems like those memory address are banked to each core |
| 10:31:04 | jhMikeS | flushing from the CPU before running the COP thread doesn't work. using the same address and flushing from the COP stops the problems as well as flushing the lcd data out from yuv blit and no more screen garbage and the menus or when exiting |
| 10:32:25 | jhMikeS | I do notice that pp has no flushing when loading a plugin though either |
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| 10:34:48 | iNSOMNiAX | can ipod 5G play wma files? |
| 10:35:00 | scorche | no |
| 10:35:15 | jhMikeS | btw...who the heck is more familiar with the pp details around here? |
| 10:35:52 | linuxstb | dan_a and barrywardell are most active on PP at the moment I think. |
| 10:36:22 | linuxstb | And I think Slasheri is working on dual-core stuff. |
| 10:37:14 | jhMikeS | if I flush the COP cache, I can't get it to crash at all. without that, it will crash rather quickly |
| 10:37:39 | Llorean | Get what to crash? |
| 10:37:46 | jhMikeS | mpegplayer on e200 |
| 10:37:53 | Llorean | Ah |
| 10:38:14 | Llorean | Could that be part of the problem with overall COP support? |
| 10:38:22 | jhMikeS | there are remaining issues but they are cache related...running on single core shows no trouble without the cache invalidation |
| 10:38:25 | linuxstb | What's changed? It seemed stable on dual core in the past. |
| 10:38:35 | jhMikeS | got me |
| 10:39:06 | markun | iNSOMNiAX: maybe rockbox will play WMA after the summer |
| 10:39:12 | markun | someone is planning to work on it |
| 10:39:34 | GodEater | iNSOMNiAX: they're even being paid to do so |
| 10:39:35 | iNSOMNiAX | K |
| 10:39:56 | jhMikeS | running a large arbitrary memcpy will also stop the difficulties but that's just ugly |
| 10:40:03 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Is this on all PP targets, or can you only test on e200? |
| 10:40:05 | linuxstb | I tried to make sure that the cache wasn't an issue. The only shared data that isn't cached is the main buffer - and the video thread should never be reading data that has only just been buffered (the cache is only 8KB) |
| 10:40:16 | jhMikeS | can only test e200 |
| 10:41:01 | linuxstb | Ah, but the Sansa has a framebuffer in main memory that both cores are writing to (with the menu)... |
| 10:41:02 | jhMikeS | I'm guessing there is garbage that it's picking up |
| 10:41:40 | jhMikeS | right, doing the flush only from the COP context before pause or exit cures that |
| 10:41:52 | jhMikeS | the screen garbage |
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| 10:42:26 | linuxstb | Could we simply just move the menu code to the second core? |
| 10:42:32 | linuxstb | i.e. video thread instead of audio thread? |
| 10:42:43 | jhMikeS | why can't we flush caches properly and do the right fix? |
| 10:43:08 | linuxstb | Why is perfoming similar tasks on the same core a bad fix? |
| 10:43:14 | jhMikeS | you'll never have this stuff reliable without invalidating the cache before loading plugins or starting a cop thread on the plugin |
| 10:44:06 | jhMikeS | Id frankly prefer the audio thread not even touch ui code |
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| 10:46:25 | jhMikeS | I think care must be taken at the moment too about what the COP uses from the core |
| 10:46:30 | crop | Hello. I've written a little description of RB plugin memory layout (discussed yesterday). Can someone take a look? http://pastebin.ca/437818 |
| 10:47:10 | crop | And if that's correct put it on the wiki? |
| 10:47:56 | jhMikeS | invalidate_icache should have an implementation for pp targets for sure |
| 10:48:40 | linuxstb | Of course. But I think we should also design mpegplayer to need minimal cache flushing. |
| 10:49:08 | jhMikeS | of course, but the hardware dictates what "minimal" means |
| 10:49:41 | linuxstb | So where would you want the UI code? In the main thread with disk buffering? |
| 10:50:08 | jhMikeS | yes...I think it's the best place really since mostly it's just spinning around doing nothing |
| 10:50:37 | linuxstb | That has the disadvantage that opening the menu will stop any disk buffering. But maybe that's not very important. |
| 10:51:08 | jhMikeS | and drive spinups will make ui unresponsive...will think |
| 10:51:46 | amiconn | Why not just use another thread for buffering? |
| 10:51:48 | linuxstb | Which is why I suggested the video thread - but that will create problems with the button driver running on the main core... |
| 10:51:50 | crop | LinusN: and thank you once again for your patience in explaining. A look into a .map file has really helped much! |
| 10:51:56 | amiconn | (also on main core) |
| 10:51:57 | jhMikeS | I really wish the drive could be spun by the ata thread or something without requiring a read or write to happen |
| 10:53:10 | linuxstb | amiconn: Does the ATA code need/benefit from an IRAM stack? |
| 10:53:25 | jhMikeS | just flushing the cache is simpler than big suprises that come from running core code aynchronously |
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| 10:54:05 | amiconn | no |
| 10:54:11 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: What do you think are the current cache issues? Just the Sansa's framebuffer, or other things as well? |
| 10:54:49 | markun | SliMM: how fast is the AA drawing? |
| 10:54:56 | jhMikeS | everything...that's why it will run the first time but subsequent runs have trouble |
| 10:55:34 | jhMikeS | the cop doesn't perform enough tasks between plugin loads for it to have to recache the plugin memory I think |
| 10:55:58 | linuxstb | Ah, you mean the actual plugin loading is the issue? |
| 10:56:08 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 10:56:48 | markun | jhMikeS: an OSD with alpha transparency might look nice on the mpegplayer :) Too bad it will probably make us loose some fps |
| 10:57:05 | markun | SliMM: sorry, I was talking about alpha transparency, not AA |
| 10:57:05 | jhMikeS | the CPU cache should be invalidated just like on others...the COP should be invalidated when entering plugin code too |
| 10:57:06 | GodEater | markun: we have them to burn on the gigabeat, who cares? :) |
| 10:57:48 | SliMM | markun: i really don't know |
| 10:57:52 | jhMikeS | markun: of course it would look nice...and we'll lose big FPS if yuv must be converted first |
| 10:57:57 | Llorean | GodEater: As far as I'm concerned we don't have FPS to spare until it never drops frames. :-P |
| 10:58:17 | jhMikeS | unless we have a library to do all rendering in yuv |
| 10:58:33 | GodEater | Llorean: I've not noticed it dropping any on mine, not during the "widescreen" movies anyway |
| 10:58:45 | SliMM | as of aa drawing.. one of my classmates will (finally) implement wu's algorithm after the programming olimpiade |
| 10:58:55 | markun | jhMikeS: you mean change the overlay to yuv before combining them? |
| 10:59:28 | Llorean | GodEater: Turn on the FPS display and watch the counter, a few will probably stack up every time there's a disk read, or at least they used to. |
| 10:59:33 | markun | SliMM: at least a fun project. I also did some aa line drawing for my job |
| 10:59:47 | linuxstb | I would prefer the CPU cycles to be spent on something like scaling VCD mpeg files to 320x240... |
| 10:59:49 | Llorean | One here and there isn't always noticeable, but if any drop that means things will make more drop, rather than introducing rare drops here and there. |
| 10:59:55 | Llorean | linuxstb: I agree! |
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| 11:00:05 | SliMM | it's not that difficult, the pseudocode can be found on wikipedia :)) |
| 11:00:11 | markun | yes |
| 11:00:17 | Llorean | linuxstb: How CPU intensive would scaling be? Is decoding a video that much harder, or is it mostly the drawing? |
| 11:00:29 | markun | linuxstb: I prefer neither really, but it's still fun |
| 11:00:47 | jhMikeS | markun: umm...well, YUV has to be made RGB to a buffer not the current hardware frame buffer |
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| 11:01:23 | linuxstb | Llorean: That obviously depends on the quality of the scaling - so you can't have too many spare CPU cycles. Decoding VCD files is also more CPU intensive - they are high bitrate (1150kbit/s) and 352x240 (NTSC) or 352x288 (PAL) |
| 11:02:22 | B4gder | now show me a commit! |
| 11:02:25 | Llorean | linuxstb: See, 320x176 at 1100kbps seems okay already, so I was wondering if bitrate or size is the larger effect on decode speed, or if one's worse than the other. |
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| 11:03:18 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Why not scale yuv directly? Less data to shuffle around |
| 11:03:34 | Llorean | linuxstb: Basically, how much slower is the decode, without the scaling/drawing overhead? |
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| 11:03:47 | amiconn | (just I don't really see the point in having scaling - videos need to be re-encoded for rockbox mpegplayer anyway) |
| 11:03:50 | SliMM | markun: how can i test how fast my code is? |
| 11:04:29 | SliMM | sorry for the topic mistakes |
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| 11:05:38 | markun | SliMM: maybe make a plugin that draws a number of random rectangles, then do the same with transparent rectanles and compare the time both take |
| 11:06:44 | Llorean | amiconn: Well, VCD files wouldn't have to be re-encoded, iiuc. |
| 11:07:23 | B4gder | SliMM: and use the same random seed for both runs |
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| 11:10:07 | amiconn | Llorean: ?? mpegplayer is too slow even for 220x176 on coldfire... |
| 11:10:27 | Llorean | amiconn: I think the only suitable target for VCD is Gigabeat at the moment |
| 11:10:40 | crop | Has anybody had a chance to look at http://pastebin.ca/437818? |
| 11:10:58 | Llorean | amiconn: How slow is 220x176 on coldfire right now anyway? |
| 11:11:19 | amiconn | So it'd be a very target specific thing |
| 11:11:20 | markun | as long as the scaling code doesn't hurt the performance of prescaled videos I think it's no problem to have it |
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| 11:11:57 | Llorean | amiconn: Unfortunately yes. As markun said, though, I don't see it as being a problem as long as it doesn't interfere with anything else. |
| 11:12:32 | crop | How can moving backlight code to target tree increase the H10 bin size by 1440? |
| 11:12:49 | B4gder | it wasn't that move that cause the growth |
| 11:12:59 | B4gder | it was the move to mi4 file format |
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| 11:13:21 | B4gder | which uses padding and a header |
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| 11:14:31 | amiconn | Then we could make lcd_yuv_blit do the scaling on gigabeat. It's target specific anyway... |
| 11:14:55 | linuxstb | Yes, I agree - no point in supporting scaling on the slower devices. |
| 11:15:54 | pondlife | crop: I'm not totally qualified to comment on the accuracy, but I suggest you put it in the wiki anyway. |
| 11:16:42 | amiconn | Llorean: I didn't test mpegplayer a single time on any device since it supports audio... |
| 11:16:52 | amiconn | But I guess something like 10fps for fullscreen |
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| 11:17:25 | amiconn | mirak's patch would help quite somewhat - if someone manages to pick the relevant bits and integrate it properly... |
| 11:17:29 | Llorean | amiconn: I was just curious relative to the original firmware, since Video, WMA, and USBOTG are our last three H300 features, and that may be cleared up by the end of the summer |
| 11:19:54 | PaulJam | Llorean: you forgot the shiny icons in the original firmware. |
| 11:20:36 | Llorean | PaulJam: If that's a "feature" to some people, I'm happy if they don't use Rockbox. :-P |
| 11:21:26 | crop | pondlife: I don't have a wiki account (and wouldn't like to have one and wouldn't like to explaint the reasons :-) |
| 11:21:47 | amiconn | PaulJam: You mean the unintuitive iriver gui? |
| 11:21:57 | Llorean | crop: If you're unwilling to give your real name, you can't really contribute to Rockbox much anyway. |
| 11:22:16 | crop | pondlife: a general RB memory layout may follow as the two go hand in hand |
| 11:23:08 | bospaadje | why are there so many yellow builds atm? :-S |
| 11:23:28 | Llorean | bospaadje: There's a #warning in the code. |
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| 11:23:42 | crop | Llorean: ok, then I'll keep the description for me (but I don't mind if someone will put it to the wiki). Actually, once you've got it, the document isn't needed anymore, but it could be useful for the start. |
| 11:25:33 | Llorean | crop: Just to make you aware, we ask for real names with code submissions too, and put them in the credits. So you may want to be aware with this before you begin working on something. |
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| 11:28:45 | crop | Llorean: that's ok with me. I only wanted to share my findings as a noob while understanding the RB memory. I don't insist that it should be included anywhere. |
| 11:29:22 | bospaadje | will the yellow builds for ipod nano work or do i need an older version? |
| 11:29:24 | crop | I respect and appreciate RB rules but have my reasons not to put that text on the wiki by myself. |
| 11:29:25 | Llorean | crop: Well, you seemed to be an expressing a deeper interest in how Rockbox works, this tends to lead to someone trying to write a patch or contribute. |
| 11:29:48 | Llorean | bospaadje: They work fine. |
| 11:30:00 | bospaadje | Llorean: thanks |
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| 11:31:26 | crop | Llorean: so for example you can put it on the wiki. There are (as far as I know) no credits given for it so there will be no wrong credits :-) |
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| 11:37:44 | linuxstb | crop: The history of the wiki page shows the contributors |
| 11:37:58 | linuxstb | So that's the "credits" for the wiki. |
| 11:41:01 | pixelma | hmm... any wiki admins around? While looking through the plugin pages, I've found that there is PluginSearchengine which belonged to databox as I've been told. Could someone mover that page over to OldPluginIndex... I doubt I can do that myself but must admit that I haven't tried... |
| 11:41:13 | pixelma | *move |
| 11:42:01 | linuxstb | I think you just need to change "CategoryPlugin" at the bottom of PluginSearchengine to say "CategoryOldPlugin". |
| 11:42:42 | crop | linuxstb: but an indirect ;-) Anyway: I've made a proposal. If you like it take it. Or forget it. But may I still ask questions here? |
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| 11:43:25 | PaulJam | btw, the viewers.config still contains a line fir the searchengine plugin |
| 11:43:31 | linuxstb | crop: To be honest, why should we spend time explaining things to you if you're not planning on contributing to Rockbox? |
| 11:45:02 | SliMM | crop: what is with http://pastebin.ca/437818 |
| 11:47:06 | pixelma | linuxstb: thanks a lot - I didn't expect it to be this easy! :) |
| 11:47:43 | bluebrother | one of the nice features of twiki ;-) |
| 11:48:19 | SliMM | markun: can i add ICODE_ATTR to my xlcd_drawpixel_alpha? |
| 11:49:09 | pixelma | bluebrother: well, I just had in mind that users aren't allowed to move attachments to "trash" anymore... |
| 11:49:14 | linuxstb | SliMM: That means that any plugin using your library must stop audio playback and correctly initialise IRAM. So I would say it's not desirable. |
| 11:49:19 | crop | SliMM: what do you mean? |
| 11:49:41 | pixelma | bluebrother: so I thought it could be harder or blocked too |
| 11:49:53 | SliMM | crop: yo asked earlyer "Has anybody had a chance to look at http://pastebin.ca/437818?" |
| 11:50:00 | SliMM | you* |
| 11:50:05 | bluebrother | right ... but this is one of the features I happened to like about twiki |
| 11:50:19 | SliMM | linuxstb: thanks, good to know |
| 11:50:59 | pixelma | yeah, nice feature indeed :) |
| 11:51:26 | crop | linuxstb: there are many anonymous users here who ask questions. OTOH I understand that my refusal to tell my real name for the wiki puts me somewhat outside of the community. |
| 11:52:25 | Llorean | crop: Well, you've basically announced your intention to not contribute to the community. Clearly this doesn't mean that nobody will ever answer your questions, but people are much less likely to spend time on questions beyond the usual "Why doesn't this work" style user-questions. |
| 11:52:34 | bluebrother | crop: you need to distinguish between anonymous users who don't intend to contribute and only search for help like installation and others (like you) who show interest in the code itself |
| 11:53:05 | crop | SliMM: this what I've written while trying to understand how plugins are laid out in the memory, how plugin loading works and what iram attributes are. And offered the text for inclusion to the wiki. |
| 11:53:08 | Llorean | In depth explanations of how the code works can take up developer time that could go to much better use. |
| 11:53:33 | SliMM | crop: oh, ok :) |
| 11:53:47 | SliMM | is the wiki layout easily configurable? |
| 11:53:48 | linuxstb | crop: Your page looks very useful, but it's the policy of Rockbox not to accept anonymous contributions - we've rejected other useful things in the past because of that rule. |
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| 11:54:45 | crop | linuxstb: :-/ |
| 11:55:04 | B4gder | in fact, most large open source projects act like this these days |
| 11:55:25 | B4gder | or at least many |
| 11:55:39 | Llorean | Seriously, if someone doesn't want our project associated with their real name, any "good" reason for that also suggests we don't want their contributions because they probably aren't in the white. |
| 11:55:39 | amiconn | LinusN: Did you check my target tree moves? Anything that could be improved / done differently? |
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| 11:56:10 | Llorean | "good" meaning "reasons they can't reveal their real name for fear of repercussions" |
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| 12:00:08 | crop | Llorean: you mean someone trying to steal RB's intellectual property? No, I'm not of that sort. I don't work for any dap manufacturer or the like. Actually, my work doesn't have anything with daps, sound processing etc. But I have some experience in C programming and am a grateful rockbox user |
| 12:00:34 | Llorean | crop: No, I mean just the opposite. |
| 12:00:34 | GodEater | we only have your word for that though |
| 12:00:55 | Llorean | Someone contributing code or information that they don't have a right to contribute. |
| 12:01:04 | Llorean | If someone's not willing to sign their real name to it, it doesn't impose a lot of trust. |
| 12:01:06 | GodEater | although apparently arriving from a school's network would tend to support your claim |
| 12:01:35 | Llorean | If you're not doing anything wrong, you've got nothing to hide except a desire for anonymity, I believe. |
| 12:02:10 | Llorean | And if your desire for anonymity is stronger than your desire to contribute, my desire to work on other things is stronger than my desire to explain things beyond basic help. :) |
| 12:02:30 | Llorean | These are my personal views on the matter and in no way reflect the project as a whole, by the way. |
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| 12:03:28 | B4gder | we've been through this discussion many times |
| 12:03:55 | B4gder | and we haven't given in yet |
| 12:04:34 | * | GodEater coughs and mumbles "MrH" |
| 12:04:46 | B4gder | yeah, but... |
| 12:04:49 | Llorean | GodEater: Name a piece of code MrH has contributed to Rockbox? |
| 12:04:52 | B4gder | 1) MrH has no code in Rockbox |
| 12:05:05 | B4gder | 2) I puslish MrH stuff on my personal pages, outside of Rockbox |
| 12:05:19 | B4gder | but sure, info from his work is the base of Rockbox code |
| 12:05:21 | Llorean | For all practical purposes, MrH is a datasheet that B4gder has access to. |
| 12:05:27 | GodEater | indeed |
| 12:05:41 | GodEater | I readily submit that he appears to have handed all rights to his work over to Bagder |
| 12:06:06 | Llorean | I don't believe B4gder's done anything that would need rights to MrH's work.. |
| 12:06:09 | GodEater | although having them on Bagder's personal pages makes them a pain to access from work (notwithstanding my hacks around our evil proxy server) |
| 12:06:20 | B4gder | hehe |
| 12:06:24 | B4gder | my evil site |
| 12:06:31 | GodEater | possibly;) |
| 12:06:45 | GodEater | I believe ABN's proxy dislikes the word haxx in the url. |
| 12:07:02 | B4gder | this company I'm on now allows www.haxx.se but not daniel.haxx.se |
| 12:07:02 | scorche | or that he is a self-described "hacker" |
| 12:07:26 | B4gder | we're more dangerous on our own than as a team I take it ;-) |
| 12:07:33 | GodEater | hehehe |
| 12:10:48 | crop | GodEater: yes, that's my point. If I'll contibute code, I'll also tell my real name. But I wouldn't like to do this for a wiki contrib. |
| 12:11:09 | Llorean | crop: That seems very arbitrary... |
| 12:11:19 | GodEater | indeed |
| 12:12:38 | * | Llorean shrugs |
| 12:12:39 | Llorean | Ah well. |
| 12:13:20 | * | Llorean usually won't even make small changes to wiki pages for other people, so the habit of contributing by repairing the wiki gets developed. |
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| 12:17:55 | SliMM | what does pcf50606_write() do? |
| 12:18:06 | linuxstb | Writes to the pcf50606 chip |
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| 12:18:24 | bluebrother | crop could still post the information to the forums −− we don't ask for real names there |
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| 12:18:35 | bluebrother | but as I see he already left |
| 12:18:38 | SliMM | so where can i find the definition of all these functions? |
| 12:18:46 | SliMM | and can i use them in plugins? |
| 12:18:55 | scorche | bluebrother: well, we dont typically appreciate static information int he forums |
| 12:19:07 | linuxstb | You shouldn't access hardware functions directly from plugins - you can, but it's not desirable. |
| 12:19:10 | B4gder | SliMM: you want to write to 50606 in a plugin? |
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| 12:19:19 | B4gder | why? |
| 12:19:37 | bluebrother | scorche: right, but if he doesn't want to contribute it to the wiki it would at least a way to "show" it the public. I guess the pastebin url will get lost quite quickly |
| 12:19:45 | bluebrother | while the forums can be searched |
| 12:19:46 | SliMM | no, i don't want to, i don't even know what that is, just asking :) |
| 12:19:59 | B4gder | hehe |
| 12:20:15 | scorche | bluebrother: either way, it wouldnt be something i would suggest |
| 12:20:23 | Llorean | bluebrother: I'd probably have to delete it for consistency of rules enforcement. |
| 12:20:28 | SliMM | i just want to know if i can have hardware control in plugins |
| 12:20:39 | B4gder | SliMM: hardware control over what? |
| 12:20:43 | SliMM | because wirting a driver isn |
| 12:20:51 | Llorean | bluebrother: The forums aren't for static data, just discussion. The wiki is for static information. I've told too many people this to allow one to slip by, even though I do like the idea of documenting all that. |
| 12:20:58 | bluebrother | Llorean: even in the compiling forums? Hmm, I'm not too firm with that rules |
| 12:21:01 | SliMM | 't quite easy to me |
| 12:21:04 | B4gder | SliMM: we make an effort to make plugins work on multiple targets |
| 12:21:10 | * | scorche started that trend =) |
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| 12:21:32 | SliMM | B4gder: you have a point there :P |
| 12:21:33 | Llorean | bluebrother: The general idea is that if something is going to be "posted" it should be posted to the wiki. That's why I discourage stickys for anything, if it should be sticky, it should be in the wiki instead. |
| 12:21:53 | B4gder | SliMM: so plugins use the more upper-layer functions and they are then converted to the proper lower-level |
| 12:22:44 | Llorean | bluebrother: Honestly I'm not too happy with the sticky in the Ipod Installation forum, but it seemed to be a necessity. The manual and IpodFAQ aren't good enough at getting that information out. |
| 12:22:48 | SliMM | how can i write a driver for.. let's say an usb external keybord? |
| 12:23:17 | B4gder | SliMM: 1) write a usb stack |
| 12:23:27 | B4gder | 2) write the "hid" part of the usb stack |
| 12:23:31 | B4gder | 3) insert keyboard |
| 12:23:35 | linuxstb | 0) Write a low-level driver for the USB hardware in your device |
| 12:24:04 | SliMM | aha :)) i think i'll just wait for university |
| 12:24:19 | markun | or.. wait for austriancoder to do much of the work for you this summer |
| 12:24:36 | bluebrother | why not something easier? Like the ipod piezo −− there has already some work been done |
| 12:24:39 | SliMM | or that :) |
| 12:25:07 | LinusN | 4) profit |
| 12:25:07 | SliMM | bluebrother: i don't know where to start from |
| 12:25:30 | scorche | LinusN: no no...4 is "???" while 5 is "profit" |
| 12:25:35 | SliMM | and also, ipod piezo offers no advantage |
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| 12:25:39 | LinusN | scorche: :-) |
| 12:26:03 | B4gder | 6) chicks and glory |
| 12:26:19 | SliMM | i think i'll just start by tak a look over |
| 12:26:22 | TheSphinX^ | hi |
| 12:26:24 | scorche | B4gder: well, you can buy those from profit |
| 12:26:31 | SliMM | stupid backspace! |
| 12:26:31 | * | bluebrother misses the "convince users that they *need* that stuff" step |
| 12:26:32 | markun | nobody cares about world domination anymore these days.. |
| 12:26:56 | SliMM | i think i'll just start by taking a look over the sources of other drivers |
| 12:27:02 | bluebrother | bbl |
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| 12:28:46 | * | Llorean thinks a USB keyboard for a device meant to be a portable music player is 100% useless. |
| 12:29:06 | scorche | Llorean: i think the same about doom though too... |
| 12:29:36 | Llorean | I do too. |
| 12:29:59 | SliMM | llorean: you don't have to take the keyboard with you, just take the device. usb keyboards are almost everywhere these days |
| 12:30:10 | Llorean | But Doom at least can be used without extra hardware. |
| 12:30:18 | B4gder | we're good at "rubbish" ! |
| 12:30:23 | scorche | SliMM: you are missing the point here |
| 12:30:38 | SliMM | scorche: probably |
| 12:30:49 | Llorean | SliMM: And USB keyboard would require A) An adapter, and B) A reason why you want to type so badly on an MP3 player that you need to hook up an adapter and borrow a keyboard |
| 12:31:20 | markun | SliMM: but hey, rockbox is about having fun, so don't be discouraged by those guys :) |
| 12:31:49 | SliMM | markun: i am not, because i can't write drivers anyway |
| 12:31:56 | Llorean | markun: Well they first tried to encourage him to work on something actually useful (piezo) |
| 12:32:02 | markun | :) |
| 12:32:28 | SliMM | and the first driver i'll write will be a keyboard driver for rockbox :P |
| 12:32:32 | markun | I wonder how much fun the GSoC mentoring will turn out to be.. |
| 12:32:38 | Llorean | Out of curiosity, does the current patch base ticks on movement in the list, or use of the scroll wheel? |
| 12:33:03 | preglow | markun: enormous amounts! |
| 12:33:39 | LinusN | chicks and glory :-) |
| 12:33:59 | * | Llorean probably could pick up chicks around here with a GSOC T-shirt. |
| 12:34:22 | markun | My rockbox T-shirt doesn't attract too many chicks here in Paris :) |
| 12:34:34 | SliMM | SEO is really good :-? |
| 12:35:05 | markun | but maybe it's just my beard.. |
| 12:35:08 | Llorean | I've only had one person even recognize the Rockbox shirt. |
| 12:35:43 | LinusN | we need more publicity :-) |
| 12:36:23 | markun | or a new logo? ;) |
| 12:36:28 | LinusN | hahahaha |
| 12:36:29 | preglow | \o/ |
| 12:36:30 | scorche | well, if i end up attending the head-fi meet, a good deal of those should recognise it ;) |
| 12:36:32 | Llorean | Clearly a new logo will make the world a better place. |
| 12:36:47 | LinusN | and make rockbox more stable |
| 12:36:48 | markun | or many new logos! |
| 12:36:54 | Llorean | Logos are good for stability. |
| 12:37:08 | preglow | we don't need actual stability anyway |
| 12:37:11 | preglow | just apparant stability |
| 12:37:15 | preglow | logos help with that |
| 12:37:15 | LinusN | and logos |
| 12:37:21 | scorche | it helps with optimization as well |
| 12:37:25 | preglow | especially that |
| 12:37:39 | markun | B4gder: can you make sure there are some left over t-shirts again this year? |
| 12:37:39 | SliMM | i like that musical note logo - both upside down and normal version |
| 12:37:49 | LinusN | markun: you bet |
| 12:38:00 | * | scorche is ready to fight for one |
| 12:38:01 | LinusN | SliMM: i like it too |
| 12:38:11 | pixelma | markun: depends on how much you want to pay ;) |
| 12:38:15 | * | Llorean will take on all challengers in a battle for a RBDC07 T-shirt. |
| 12:38:20 | markun | LinusN: I was really telling myself all year I would go this time.. |
| 12:38:31 | LinusN | markun: then go |
| 12:38:33 | markun | but I guess I'll just watch you guys having fun in front of the webcam |
| 12:38:45 | scorche | Llorean: what format shall be enforced in this battle-for-the-shirt? |
| 12:38:48 | SliMM | in the upside down version, the musical note is pretty clear, but there are upside down musical notes too |
| 12:39:08 | LinusN | scorche: we call it the "Paypal Race" :-) |
| 12:39:12 | * | TheSphinX^ want's a Rockbox T-Shirt! But if there aren't any officials ... selfmade and so on ;) :( |
| 12:39:12 | B4gder | markun: I'll give you a collector's version of last year's model if you come ;-) |
| 12:39:23 | Llorean | scorche: One of us receives the shirt from Sweden, and on trust we meet up somewhere, and one person walks away with the shirt, one doesn't, no rules. :-P |
| 12:39:34 | B4gder | hahaha |
| 12:39:44 | Llorean | TheSphinX^: I did mention I'd be willing to try to put together a CafePress shop. |
| 12:39:47 | markun | B4gder: the way you say that makes me doubt I want that particular shirt, right? |
| 12:39:52 | scorche | LinusN: can i pre-emptively pay for my shipping? =P |
| 12:39:59 | Llorean | Does anyone object to me opening up a CafePress store with the current logo on various things? |
| 12:40:00 | scorche | or is that cheating? |
| 12:40:00 | B4gder | now now, don't be like that ;-) |
| 12:40:15 | B4gder | Llorean: oh no, please go ahead! |
| 12:40:42 | LinusN | just don't put the credits list on the back :-) (old joke) |
| 12:40:46 | * | scorche attempted to find out exactly how much the creator of such a store actually gets |
| 12:40:52 | scorche | and failed |
| 12:41:03 | Llorean | B4gder: Just making sure. Money would either go to 1) Getting me to Sweden more easily next year, 2) Donations to the RB Paypal, or 3) Getting me more targets to better provide support (I have my eye on an X5 or an H10, as I feel either of those I don't know enough about without handling one) |
| 12:41:15 | Llorean | scorche: It can't be much. |
| 12:41:54 | B4gder | you set the prices so you get the difference between their prices and the one you set, right? |
| 12:42:04 | scorche | B4gder: how many shirts were/are being made for this year? |
| 12:42:17 | B4gder | it hasn't be set yet |
| 12:42:20 | B4gder | been |
| 12:42:33 | SliMM | where can i find the drivers? |
| 12:42:47 | TheSphinX^ | Llorean tahke the x5! ;P |
| 12:43:05 | scorche | if devcon-west ends up taking off and we have enough, would you mind shipping a few over instead of just one? |
| 12:43:19 | Llorean | TheSphinX^: It'll depend entirely on when I have money for a new target. Preference will go to a completely unique target (for example AV300 or Creative ZVM if either is running RB at the time). |
| 12:43:21 | B4gder | sure! |
| 12:43:27 | LinusN | scorche: sounds like a good idea |
| 12:43:32 | scorche | i will, of course, still pay for shipping =) |
| 12:43:47 | B4gder | the shipping is quite costly |
| 12:43:48 | LinusN | Llorean: imho, av300 is a dead target |
| 12:43:57 | B4gder | Haxx will sponsor the shirts again |
| 12:44:12 | TheSphinX^ | B4gder what color would the defcon-shirt have this year? babyblue like last year? |
| 12:44:27 | scorche | TheSphinX^: not defcon ;) |
| 12:44:34 | B4gder | white, with blue "edges" |
| 12:44:34 | TheSphinX^ | dev |
| 12:44:38 | LinusN | TheSphinX^: you'll see...... :-) |
| 12:44:48 | scorche | B4gder: you spoiled the surprise! |
| 12:45:02 | LinusN | B4gder: :-P |
| 12:45:20 | B4gder | oh |
| 12:45:25 | Llorean | LinusN: It's dead at the moment. |
| 12:45:34 | B4gder | in that case: no, it is a secret! ;-) |
| 12:45:56 | LinusN | Llorean: it's a really old target, and to my knowledge the only dual-codec target |
| 12:45:56 | B4gder | but we're planning another "article" as well |
| 12:46:01 | Llorean | LinusN: I don't plan to buy a target until Rockbox is running on it, since in most cases I'm purchasing to either help with bugtesting/confirmation, or to be able to better understand the install process or button mapping for providing support. |
| 12:46:02 | B4gder | so I can keep that secret |
| 12:46:06 | preglow | rockbox bread slicer |
| 12:46:27 | TheSphinX^ | So I just can see it on the photos after the devcon ... :( |
| 12:46:40 | scorche | B4gder: was it just cheap for me last year because you packaged it in a bag and it was one shirt? ;) |
| 12:46:48 | Llorean | Alright, does "Rockbox US Store" sound okay for the Cafepress shop, so that maybe someone else can start one with that t-shirt website that's more Europe-friendly? |
| 12:47:08 | LinusN | Llorean: watch out for trademark issues |
| 12:47:23 | B4gder | scorche: you got it at the same price and same exclusive packaging the others got |
| 12:47:34 | pondlife | LinusN: ? http://www.rockbox.co.uk/ ? |
| 12:47:56 | scorche | B4gder: as compared with the "shipping is quite expensive" comment earlier |
| 12:48:11 | B4gder | well I consider ~10USD quite expensive for one shirt |
| 12:48:13 | LinusN | i think you should call the shop "rockbox.org US store" |
| 12:48:19 | Llorean | LinusN: Good idea. |
| 12:48:21 | TheSphinX^ | I hope that bluebrother does what he sad in that thread. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9675.0 |
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| 12:50:57 | SliMM | so how do i start writing a driver for smth connected to the ipod dock connector? :D |
| 12:51:46 | | Part norbusan |
| 12:51:48 | scorche | SliMM: start here http://ipodlinux.org/Apple_Accessory_Protocol |
| 12:52:12 | SliMM | thanks |
| 12:52:46 | linuxstb | SliMM: You'll need to start by writing a serial port driver - that comes before the AAP |
| 12:53:41 | LinusN | do we know how to do that? |
| 12:53:41 | SliMM | linuxstb: isn't there one written yet? |
| 12:53:47 | linuxstb | LinusN: No. |
| 12:53:49 | markun | B4gder, LinusN: hm, a 200 euro return ticket with air berlin.. |
| 12:54:07 | linuxstb | I think the IPL kernel has one, but according to the devs it doesn't work. |
| 12:54:17 | pondlife | Hmm, after playing an album, attempting to generate a playlist gives the "Delete dynamic playlist" warning... but pressing PLAY gives "Nothing to resume"... |
| 12:54:24 | pondlife | Doesn't seem quite right |
| 12:54:44 | LinusN | sounds like a bug |
| 12:55:00 | pondlife | Should be supressing that warning if the current playlist is blank |
| 12:55:06 | pondlife | suppressing even |
| 12:55:07 | SliMM | how does the ipod detect usb connection then? |
| 12:55:18 | linuxstb | That's USB - it's different to the serial port. |
| 12:55:35 | linuxstb | The serial port is used to communicate with the accessories. |
| 12:56:57 | B4gder | markun: go go go ;-) |
| 12:57:32 | pondlife | markun: Think of the t-shirt... |
| 12:57:38 | markun | B4gder: I'm still hoping to find something under 100 :) |
| 12:57:57 | SliMM | fine, fine, i give up |
| 12:58:01 | markun | even by bus it's 130 from amsterdam |
| 12:58:04 | SliMM | i'll buy a book or smth |
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| 12:58:36 | markun | SliMM: working on the serial interface would make a lot of people happy I think |
| 12:59:04 | linuxstb | SliMM: Anything that's easy on the ipods has already been done... What's left is hard. |
| 12:59:13 | SliMM | markun: you need some knoledge to do that |
| 12:59:13 | B4gder | markun: we wouldn't be shy to sponsor your ticket |
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| 13:00:09 | markun | B4gder: wow, now you're making it very hard to say no.. |
| 13:00:27 | markun | I'll search a bit more for cheaper options |
| 13:01:52 | SliMM | did i spell that wrong? |
| 13:02:27 | SliMM | oh, i've missed a 'w' |
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| 13:02:53 | | Nick ColdSphinX is now known as ColdSphinX^afk (n=sphinx@p85.212.13.11.tisdip.tiscali.de) |
| 13:03:10 | * | GodEater wishes people would nick spam |
| 13:03:39 | B4gder | did you forget a NOT in there or are you pleased now? ,-) |
| 13:03:59 | pixelma | would?... ah beaten ;) |
| 13:04:01 | GodEater | I think I may have missed the NOT ;) |
| 13:04:12 | | Nick ColdSphinX^afk is now known as ColdSphinX^ (n=sphinx@p85.212.13.11.tisdip.tiscali.de) |
| 13:04:40 | scorche | ColdSphinX^: please do not change your nick to indicate away status |
| 13:04:50 | scorche | this is in the channel guidelines |
| 13:05:02 | GodEater | /away is perfectly good enough |
| 13:05:15 | linuxstb | We have channel guidelines? |
| 13:05:19 | ColdSphinX^ | I yust looket for something (nicklength) =) |
| 13:05:29 | pixelma | linuxstb: see topic? |
| 13:06:05 | * | linuxstb goes to read the guidelines |
| 13:06:13 | scorche | linuxstb: i made them a few weeks back |
| 13:07:13 | * | GodEater curses VMWare |
| 13:07:23 | linuxstb | I'm not sure if I agree with the "may I PM?" rule. It's just as easy to respond to someone privately saying "no PMs" as it is to say no in the channel, and removes clutter. |
| 13:08:03 | GodEater | linuxstb: or even ignore it entirely |
| 13:08:09 | scorche | linuxstb: that is also on the freenode guidelines as well |
| 13:08:26 | linuxstb | GodEater: Exactly. |
| 13:08:35 | scorche | but, it is a wiki, so feel free to remove it ;) |
| 13:08:44 | GodEater | hehe |
| 13:09:21 | scorche | hrm...also, i should remove the colors and change to special characters...we already have mode +c |
| 13:09:36 | linuxstb | I don't really care though - I can't remember the last time I saw someone ask to PM... |
| 13:09:46 | scorche | linuxstb: while i am at it, i will remove it then |
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| 13:14:21 | Llorean | Does this look okay to everyone, as a "current edition" of a US shop: http://www.cafepress.com/rockboxfirmware Cafepress' prices are a little high, but it means people can now buy "official" Rockbox shirts, and a better alternative may be found later. |
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| 13:16:32 | Llorean | Preferably a better alternative means "things don't have ridiculously high base prices" |
| 13:17:00 | markun | Llorean: can they use the svg image? |
| 13:17:11 | tike | Llorean: hehe. The left column is for ipod nano owners while right top t-shirt is for ipod 4g :) |
| 13:17:19 | markun | or maybe some other vector format |
| 13:17:20 | Llorean | markun: I used the high-res .tif |
| 13:17:38 | Llorean | Well, I converted it to .png first since they didn't like the alpha channels. |
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| 13:18:40 | Llorean | markun: It'll accept PSD, are those vector based? |
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| 13:19:07 | amiconn | Llorean: nope |
| 13:19:08 | pixelma | markun: the svg lacks the "structure" of the "box" text |
| 13:19:17 | Llorean | Well, then no vector forms. |
| 13:19:17 | ColdSphinX^ | Llorean: you forgot key trailer and key volumes! :D |
| 13:19:28 | markun | pixelma: true |
| 13:19:30 | Llorean | It only supports bitmap EPS files. |
| 13:20:19 | scorche | we could always add one of these to the shop too: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product.aspx?clear=true&no=80 |
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| 13:20:58 | * | scorche would get one just for having the novelty of having a rockbox branded one |
| 13:21:18 | Llorean | ... |
| 13:21:21 | Llorean | Just... no. :-P |
| 13:21:30 | scorche | i wouldnt wear it! |
| 13:21:33 | B4gder | hahaha |
| 13:21:35 | Llorean | So, any suitable objections to the shop before I announce it to the masses? |
| 13:21:42 | B4gder | nope |
| 13:21:51 | linuxstb | And for the Rockbox babies... http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product.aspx?clear=true&no=73 |
| 13:22:06 | B4gder | do they accept paypal btw? |
| 13:22:13 | scorche | we could get one for rex! |
| 13:22:22 | B4gder | we need more baby products |
| 13:22:49 | Llorean | B4gder: I think they don't like paypal |
| 13:23:09 | B4gder | pity |
| 13:23:23 | Llorean | I think Bluebrother expressed an interest in using another site that doesn't ship to the US, but does to paypal |
| 13:23:30 | Llorean | I don't see a harm in having both. |
| 13:23:42 | ColdSphinX^ | Llorean could something like that ( http://files.se-world.info/images/lanyards/lanyard2.jpg ) be aviable? |
| 13:23:49 | Lynx_ | Llorean: isn't spreadshirt cheaper? |
| 13:24:20 | Llorean | Lynx_: I think there was a problem with them in regard to shipping options. |
| 13:24:29 | Lynx_ | Llorean: ok |
| 13:24:58 | Llorean | And it's not like this has to be permanent. We can seek better options. |
| 13:25:13 | ColdSphinX^ | ( http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9675.0 ) bluebrother sad that he would look for an european sistershop. |
| 13:26:03 | ColdSphinX^ | bluebrother are you there? |
| 13:26:09 | scorche | ColdSphinX^: a lanyard is not one of the available options |
| 13:26:21 | Nico_P | LinusN: in http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7020, about the # char, you said "I think escaping it is the far better solution."... You mean using %# to display it and having it as a comment sign the rest of the time ? |
| 13:26:28 | ColdSphinX^ | scorche doesn't matter |
| 13:26:43 | LinusN | Nico_P: yes |
| 13:27:14 | Nico_P | LinusN: ok, I'll do that then. sounds fine |
| 13:27:23 | scorche | ColdSphinX^: how does that not matter?...on cafepress, you can only make what they produce... |
| 13:28:22 | GodEater | scorche: I think he meant "never mind" |
| 13:28:27 | ColdSphinX^ | I wil look for an offer there in germany .... |
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| 13:33:43 | Nico_P | LinusN: so now an unescaped # will eat the rest of the line as a comment, including the '\n' |
| 13:33:48 | ColdSphinX^ | I simply didn't know what they produce and if they don't produce lanyards I will have to look how to get it on an other way, but it doesn't matter if I haven't it. (pleas forgive me if my english is bad) |
| 13:34:02 | LinusN | Nico_P: sounds good |
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| 13:34:23 | * | bluebrother returns |
| 13:34:31 | * | Llorean wonders what it was about spreadshirt he didn't like. |
| 13:34:38 | Llorean | I can't seem to remember now, looking over their site. |
| 13:34:40 | jac0b | what does this mean in the changelog |
| 13:34:41 | jac0b | 12 Apr 11:03 Marcoen Hirschberg firmware/sound.c [diff] remove Sansa from the todo |
| 13:34:45 | bluebrother | Llorean: I'd be interested in a european spreadshirt shop |
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| 13:34:57 | bluebrother | as a sister shop to yours ;-) |
| 13:35:01 | pixelma | Nico_P: what about a # that is in a tag? Will they be displayed correctly? |
| 13:35:13 | bluebrother | spreadshirt doesn't provide mugs :( |
| 13:35:17 | Nico_P | pixelma: in a tag ? |
| 13:35:33 | bluebrother | and, if you want to use it in the us, you need to setup a second spreadshirt shop for the us market |
| 13:35:40 | bluebrother | which is somewhat annoying. |
| 13:35:43 | Llorean | bluebrother: I can't imagine that was the only reason I wasn't interested in it. I swear there was some sort of shipping concern, but I can't see one looking it over. |
| 13:35:57 | bluebrother | I somewhat dislike their shop being heavily flash-based |
| 13:36:17 | Llorean | bluebrother: Feel free to open one up then. I'll add it to the forum post when you do. |
| 13:36:19 | ColdSphinX^ | jac0b: he only removed it from the todolist in the comment, becaues it's already done |
| 13:36:24 | bluebrother | I haven't looked too far into us spreadshirt. For europe it seems quite ok to me |
| 13:36:40 | bluebrother | Llorean: won't find the time to look into details within the next 4 weeks. |
| 13:36:45 | pixelma | Nico_P: if someone used a '#' sign for example in the album tag as disc number for example |
| 13:36:55 | bluebrother | but if noone else opens one eariler I will have a look |
| 13:36:57 | Llorean | bluebrother: Alright, maybe I'll look into it then. |
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| 13:37:27 | * | Llorean wonders if merchandise could cover or at least reduce the cost of a new server for the forums. |
| 13:37:30 | LinusN | pixelma: that's why we are discussing this, i.e we will escape it: %# |
| 13:37:33 | bluebrother | the only annoying thing is that you need to have two shops with spreadshirt, one for the us and one for europe :) |
| 13:37:47 | Nico_P | pixelma: I don't really understand what you mean by "tag"... if it's in the WPS, it'll have to be escaped with a % sign, or if it's in the track's metadata, then no problem |
| 13:37:57 | Llorean | bluebrother: Well, we have a US Cafepress shop at the moment, though if spreadshirt turns out nicer would could move all apparel to it and leave Cafepress for the mugs. |
| 13:38:20 | pixelma | Nico_P: I meant the metadata... |
| 13:38:22 | bluebrother | Llorean: if you open a shop that ships to europe (and accepts payments other than credit cards, cause I don't have one) expect me to buy at least one shirt ;-) |
| 13:38:36 | Llorean | bluebrother: I'll see what I can do. :) |
| 13:38:46 | Nico_P | pixelma: the WPS code doesn't do anything special with the metadata |
| 13:38:54 | Nico_P | it only displays it |
| 13:38:57 | Llorean | I would like to move the forums though at some point, I'm always concerned about how much disk space we're taking up, and mildly frustrated by the early morning (here) slowness. |
| 13:39:21 | Llorean | Oh, and the fact that only one person can fix the search when it breaks. :) |
| 13:39:29 | bluebrother | if you open a us spreadshirt and it's easier to run a european spreadshirt sister shop from europe just tell me ;-) |
| 13:39:52 | bluebrother | but if you can run it yourself ... less work for me :) |
| 13:40:01 | jac0b | oh I was thinking they were finished with the sansa |
| 13:40:06 | Llorean | bluebrother: I'll investigate it and see if I can learn more. I hadn't heard of Spreadshirt until a few days ago anyway, so I don't know how it works at all. |
| 13:41:20 | bluebrother | ok. |
| 13:41:29 | Llorean | But I like the idea of people finally being able to have Rockbox shirts, through whatever means. :) |
| 13:41:33 | bluebrother | but it's nice to have a shop up and running already. |
| 13:41:41 | pixelma | Nico_P: just asking out of curiosity |
| 13:42:03 | Llorean | I'll now be waiting for the day I finally bump into a strange wearing one. |
| 13:42:12 | ColdSphinX^ | hehe |
| 13:42:13 | Llorean | I can say "Hey, I bet you know me! I yell at people in the forums!" |
| 13:42:35 | B4gder | Llorean: well, we're still owe Jeff the domain and he runs the official forums on his request as a returned favour |
| 13:42:45 | B4gder | for the domain even |
| 13:42:50 | Llorean | Aaaah |
| 13:42:53 | Llorean | Well that's fine then. |
| 13:43:23 | B4gder | so if we are to change things, I really think we should have his blessing |
| 13:43:24 | Llorean | B4gder: I just worry because of how quickly we're growing these days. |
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| 13:43:33 | Llorean | But I wouldn't dream of doing it without his blessing. |
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| 13:45:16 | Llorean | My real concern was that we might be becoming too much a drain on his resources. I mean, we're only about 1/10 the size of MR but that's still quite a ways up from where we were when we started, but as long as he's okay with us then I'm (mostly) happy. :) |
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| 13:46:05 | Llorean | I'm hoping an upgrade to the release of SMF might cause it to stop breaking the search function, but I want to make sure I have plenty of time available to fix whatever havoc it causes (like last time) alongside. |
| 13:48:20 | linuxstb | B4gder: What's the history of the domain name? Are you saying Jeff owned the name rockbox.org in the past? |
| 13:48:29 | B4gder | he bought it |
| 13:48:33 | B4gder | and handed it over to us |
| 13:48:49 | B4gder | and requested to run the forums |
| 13:49:25 | B4gder | it became available in the midst of everything when we certainly didn't really consider a domain |
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| 13:50:47 | B4gder | ... which is also why he got the first Tetris C&D letter... |
| 13:50:59 | safetydan | Llorean: googling for "cafe press alternative" throws up a few interesting things |
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| 13:53:15 | jac0b | are there going to be rockbox shirts |
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| 13:54:02 | bluebrother | btw, will the devcon shirts be somewhat different? |
| 13:54:16 | B4gder | yes |
| 13:54:35 | Llorean | jac0b: If you live in the US, you can already buy one at Cafepress, at least up until we find something better. |
| 13:54:50 | bluebrother | do you reveal in what way? A "devcon 2007" on the back or something? |
| 13:55:09 | pondlife | It's a secret, read the logs...;p |
| 13:55:15 | bluebrother | oooh ... |
| 13:55:34 | bluebrother | will do later today. Don't have my log collection around for grepping ;-) |
| 13:55:55 | jac0b | i don't see rockbox in teh search at cafepress |
| 13:55:59 | Llorean | http://www.cafepress.com/rockboxfirmware |
| 13:56:13 | pondlife | If I change a string in English.lang (e.g. Crossfeed -> Soundstage), do I also need to update all other .langs? |
| 13:56:23 | pondlife | I mean a <source> string... |
| 13:56:28 | B4gder | pondlife: no |
| 13:56:31 | Llorean | safetydan: Honestly, if I find a better alternative I'll probably move to it. |
| 13:56:43 | Llorean | safetydan: I just wanted something I could set up very quickly so people could finally have "official" shirts. |
| 13:56:49 | B4gder | pondlife: the translators will notice when they run genlang |
| 13:56:52 | Nico_P | err, how come my commit got the mini build to turn red ? |
| 13:57:33 | B4gder | looks like a compiler error |
| 13:57:58 | ColdSphinX^ | bluebrother see rockbox-lounge ;) |
| 13:58:07 | Llorean | B4gder: GCC 4.0.2 |
| 13:58:11 | Nico_P | B4gder: so it's not my fault ? |
| 13:58:22 | B4gder | Nico_P: correct |
| 13:58:44 | safetydan | Llorean: I've had bad luck with the quality of shirts from cafepress, but I can't offer anything better at the moment so I'll stay quiet now. |
| 13:59:07 | pondlife | Nico_P: Am I right in thinking that %xd doesn't do anything any more? |
| 13:59:29 | Nico_P | pondlife: it's the image display tag |
| 13:59:31 | SliMM | B4gder: i feel redy for testing now: how do i measure time, set a seed and use random numbers? |
| 13:59:49 | B4gder | SliMM: use the tick counter to measure time |
| 13:59:50 | pondlife | Ah, the manual says "%xd Crossfeed setting" |
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| 14:00:16 | SliMM | random seed and random numbers? |
| 14:00:26 | Nico_P | pondlife: right, I forgot to correct that. It actually used to do both but I didn't put crossfeed back in |
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| 14:00:53 | Llorean | safetydan: Oh, I have no doubt there's a better alternative for shirts. But cafepress makes it really easy to set up the storefront and offer mugs as well. I really like mugs. |
| 14:01:02 | Llorean | safetydan: But as I said, I'll research some of those alternatives. |
| 14:01:26 | bluebrother | ColdSphinX^: just posted in the "Schlüsselanhänger" thread a few minutes earlier ;-) |
| 14:02:22 | ColdSphinX^ | i know :( but so the peaole will see it earlyer ;) |
| 14:03:08 | bluebrother | uh-uh, now that you mentioned me at the front page ... *g* |
| 14:03:20 | ColdSphinX^ | xD |
| 14:04:07 | ColdSphinX^ | damn i forgot an space |
| 14:04:18 | bluebrother | I can cope with it |
| 14:04:43 | linuxstb | Llorean: Shouldn't that merchandise info be in the wiki? ;) |
| 14:05:22 | Llorean | linuxstb: Indeed it should. :) |
| 14:05:34 | Llorean | Does RockboxMerchandise seem like a good page? |
| 14:05:53 | LinusN | sure |
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| 14:06:25 | SliMM | B4gder: how do i use the tick counter? :D |
| 14:06:26 | ColdSphinX^ | And it should be announced in the news on the frontpage :) |
| 14:06:37 | * | bluebrother hopes for a devcon shirt even if he can't attend (unfortunately) |
| 14:06:44 | linuxstb | SliMM: x = *rb->current_tick; |
| 14:07:19 | SliMM | and from ticks to miliseconds? |
| 14:08:08 | bluebrother | ticks * 1000 / HZ |
| 14:08:26 | ColdSphinX^ | bye |
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| 14:08:39 | SliMM | that should do it |
| 14:08:53 | bluebrother | iirc :) |
| 14:09:08 | linuxstb | But you don't get ms accuracy - HZ is 100 on all targets. So you get 10ms accuracy. |
| 14:09:10 | pixelma | bluebrother: I want a t-shirt with the "Quellwiedereinbaumikroprogrammaufstellung" on it (though those might only be available in XXL) ;) |
| 14:09:27 | bluebrother | pixelma: LOL. Great :) |
| 14:09:39 | bluebrother | maybe print it diagonal ... |
| 14:10:01 | SliMM | what about randomisation? |
| 14:10:42 | Llorean | What does that mean? |
| 14:10:48 | * | linuxstb wonders if "Source re-installation microprogram list" is an accurate translation |
| 14:10:51 | SliMM | pixelma: some translation pls :) |
| 14:11:41 | davina | whatdoesthatmeanpixelma? |
| 14:11:53 | pixelma | SliMM: that joke arouse from the automatic google translation of the rockbox.org frontpage from english into german |
| 14:12:11 | Llorean | Aaah |
| 14:12:14 | bluebrother | ... and the german translation is ... more than weird ;-) |
| 14:12:25 | linuxstb | What was the original English? |
| 14:12:41 | pixelma | I think it's impossible to translate it back |
| 14:12:46 | LinusN | SliMM: rb->srand(seed) |
| 14:12:54 | SliMM | pixelma: got it |
| 14:13:04 | LinusN | SliMM: random_val = rb->rand(); |
| 14:13:17 | SliMM | LinusN: what is the max value? |
| 14:13:34 | LinusN | RAND_MAX |
| 14:13:40 | pixelma | the original is the first sentence "Rockbox is an open source replacement firmware for mp3 players." (part of) |
| 14:14:27 | SliMM | and what if i want to limit the maximum value? |
| 14:14:33 | Llorean | linuxstb: The mikroprogrammaufstellung bit is what "firmware" gets from Babelfish |
| 14:14:39 | bluebrother | the "source replacement firmware" part yields that translation with google's babelfish |
| 14:14:45 | pixelma | it should be the "open source replacement firmware" part though it's almost not recognisable |
| 14:15:36 | pixelma | without the "open"... |
| 14:16:22 | pondlife | Should we be keeping old terminology as keys in config.cfg - e.g. tagcache_ram ? |
| 14:16:52 | pondlife | Backward compatibility is nice, but is this more confusing? |
| 14:17:51 | bluebrother | pondlife: I'm for keeping −− average users don't edit configuration files anyway |
| 14:17:59 | pondlife | OK, just checking |
| 14:18:13 | bluebrother | and it is tagcache −− it's just called differently to the user ;-) |
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| 14:20:12 | Spec | anyone know of a spider solitaire for the rockbox? |
| 14:20:22 | SliMM | how can i limit the maximum value of random? |
| 14:20:31 | Llorean | Spec: There's one in the patch tracker, I believe |
| 14:20:41 | LinusN | SliMM: use the modulo operator |
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| 14:20:52 | roolku | Spec: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6599 |
| 14:21:05 | Rodan | wow. last time i was here there were only 14 people in the room |
| 14:21:12 | SliMM | LinusN: i don't know why i didn't think about that.. :)) |
| 14:21:30 | bluebrother | Rodan: then this was long ago ;-) |
| 14:21:33 | Zagor | Rodan: haha, that must have been a while ago |
| 14:21:35 | amiconn | Using modulo introduces a slight statistical error unless you restrict it to powers of 2 |
| 14:21:36 | LinusN | Rodan: many many moons ago... |
| 14:21:48 | LinusN | amiconn: in this case it doesn't matter |
| 14:21:55 | PaulJam | or during a netsplit |
| 14:22:05 | Rodan | yes i'm still an old timer. lugging around my v.1 studio. but i have a question, pretty simple if you dont mind... |
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| 14:22:14 | linuxstb | There's still only about 14 people talking though... |
| 14:22:18 | LinusN | Rodan: shoot |
| 14:22:28 | Rodan | Whats the feasibility of upgrading Harddrive on a AV400 ? |
| 14:22:31 | bluebrother | 14 people talking at the same time is enough IMO ;-) |
| 14:22:40 | Spec | roolku: have you tried that out? |
| 14:22:58 | roolku | Spec: yes, but not recently |
| 14:23:01 | linuxstb | Rodan: archopen.org deal with the av400 series, Rockbox doesn't. |
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| 14:23:12 | PaulJam | little question: i made a patch for myself to add the crossfeed tag, should i put this on flyspray for others even if i already know that it will not be put into the official build? |
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| 14:23:26 | Zagor | Rodan: you've got a studio? and you use it!? you are a dying breed :-) |
| 14:23:51 | Rodan | actually i have about two, and a v.1 recorder (which i use most) |
| 14:24:08 | LinusN | wow |
| 14:24:30 | * | Rodan stores up a lot of nimh AA's for road trips |
| 14:24:32 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: I know why there were no problems before. lcd_clear_display was called on the video thread and that did the flush. |
| 14:24:56 | SliMM | does the lcd_framebuffer content change only after lcd_update is called? |
| 14:24:56 | B4gder | PaulJam: there's not been a clear agreement yet, but chances are that we will close it rather soon if so |
| 14:25:17 | linuxstb | SliMM: No, lcd_update copies the contents of lcd_framebuffer to the LCD hardware. |
| 14:25:20 | PaulJam | ok, thanks |
| 14:25:31 | SliMM | perfect |
| 14:26:16 | jhMikeS | that and lcd_update |
| 14:26:38 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Ah, OK. BTW, the comments in the code about putting some variables in iram causing problems on the ipod are very likely due to the bss clearing bug that's been fixed. The symptoms I got were very similar to what was reported on the Sansa, but I never managed to isolate the real problem. |
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| 14:27:05 | jhMikeS | so I can put them back there? they really should be |
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| 14:27:21 | jhMikeS | I also mutexed the file buffer |
| 14:28:04 | amiconn | Zagor: Why not use a studio? It still has better sound (on headphone out) than many of the newer targets |
| 14:28:20 | tucoz | markun, i think you can go with ryanair from paris from 18/5 to 21/5 for 60EUR |
| 14:28:25 | amiconn | It's not as good as the recorder though |
| 14:28:53 | Zagor | amiconn: I didn't say he shouldn't use it. it's just that we don't see many studio users around here. |
| 14:29:07 | * | amiconn is a (partial) studio user too |
| 14:29:09 | tucoz | markun, but i guess that excludes some extra cost such as long bus-trips to and from airports located far from paris and stockholm |
| 14:29:14 | Zagor | most studio owners use them as paper weights :-) |
| 14:29:28 | B4gder | tucoz: I think the airbus prices are about the same in Sweden at least |
| 14:30:20 | jhMikeS | I added a cache flush in load_context that flushes the cache the first time a thread runs...I can't seems to crash it anymore |
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| 14:30:39 | tucoz | B4gder, ok. unavoidable then |
| 14:30:42 | * | jhMikeS keep interchanging flush and invalidate |
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| 14:31:08 | Rodan | ok ty guys |
| 14:31:24 | pondlife | jhMikeS: That shouldn't impact on performance much, right? |
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| 14:32:20 | jhMikeS | no, it jumps over that code and actually executes fewer instructions |
| 14:32:33 | Llorean | pondlife: Even if it did, stability>performance I think. :) |
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| 14:32:40 | pondlife | Of course |
| 14:32:52 | jhMikeS | no more screen garbage either |
| 14:33:08 | Spec | does anyone have the ipod video rockbox simulator? |
| 14:33:28 | pondlife | For Windows? |
| 14:33:35 | Spec | winrar really doesn't like the .zip file on rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator |
| 14:33:47 | Spec | yeah, can you emulate rockbox on linux? |
| 14:33:51 | pondlife | Ah, I was about to point you there |
| 14:34:02 | Llorean | Spec: It's not emulated, it's just a user interface simulation. |
| 14:34:03 | tucoz | B4gder, my concern was mainly that there are sometimes additional hidden costs with these cheap airline tickets |
| 14:34:09 | Llorean | Spec: Try using a different program, like 7-zip |
| 14:34:10 | B4gder | very true |
| 14:34:28 | Spec | Llorean: ah |
| 14:34:32 | B4gder | they even tend to charge for "credit card" expenses |
| 14:34:37 | jhMikeS | the problem with starting a thread on the COP in a plugin is the the thread function becomes a plugin entrypoint in effect |
| 14:34:40 | B4gder | ryan air does at least |
| 14:34:54 | tucoz | really? well, ryanair is in a league of their own |
| 14:35:04 | B4gder | yeah, and credit card is the only way to pay ;-) |
| 14:35:08 | tucoz | hehe |
| 14:35:19 | B4gder | that's actually a violation of lots of rules/laws |
| 14:36:07 | tucoz | is it allowed in sweden to not list the actual price? i mean without the hidden costs such as credit card expenses? |
| 14:36:20 | B4gder | no |
| 14:36:34 | B4gder | and the credit card companies don't allow companies to charge for using their cards |
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| 14:36:52 | jhMikeS | same as the US |
| 14:36:54 | B4gder | other than a minor charge I mean |
| 14:36:59 | tucoz | I bought a pizza here in norway, and the guy charged me 20NOK for using a CC |
| 14:37:13 | tucoz | i found that quite...unusual |
| 14:37:18 | B4gder | hehe |
| 14:37:30 | tucoz | i never went back |
| 14:37:31 | Spec | so there's no virtual harddrive-based-music-player-device-thingy that you could run rockbox on? |
| 14:37:39 | B4gder | I remember a friend being refused to pay in norway with his CC due to it being "a swedish credit card" |
| 14:37:45 | jhMikeS | call the CC company...they probably would admonish him quite severely...and there's no minimum charge either...they sometimes claim that too |
| 14:38:07 | B4gder | Spec: virtual? |
| 14:38:43 | Spec | like virtualbox or qemu |
| 14:38:45 | pondlife | Spec: There are the devices and their simulators (which will run on any OS that supports SDL) |
| 14:38:53 | tucoz | jhMikeS, probably. do you know if that minimum charge is a global rule? |
| 14:39:29 | jhMikeS | that I don't know for sure but I don't think they vary their rules barring local laws |
| 14:39:36 | Spec | simulators for the wps? |
| 14:39:52 | jhMikeS | they want people to use their product the same way anywhere as much as possible |
| 14:39:55 | tucoz | jhMikeS, you are probably right. sounds strange to have a minimum charge in any case. |
| 14:39:58 | B4gder | Spec: for the whole rockbox |
| 14:40:00 | linuxstb | Spec: The Rockbox "UI simulator" is simply Rockbox compiled as a native PC application. |
| 14:40:28 | SliMM | how can i stop executing something in the linux shell? |
| 14:40:47 | linuxstb | CTRL+C |
| 14:40:49 | Llorean | tucoz: There's no minimum charge, but many stores institute one because they have to pay a transaction fee to the credit card company, and don't want to actually lose money on the total transaction. |
| 14:41:17 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I still think it's against the merchant agreement and can get them in trouble |
| 14:42:18 | Llorean | jhMikeS: In the US a vendor can refuse to sell to you for any non-descriminatory reason can't they, so "I'm going to lose money on this sale" is a valid one. If they lie and claim the credit cart company institutes a minimum charge though, I think that they can't do. |
| 14:42:28 | Llorean | discriminatory. |
| 14:42:32 | Spec | linuxstb: oh, so that means plugins, etc work? |
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| 14:42:54 | linuxstb | Spec: Yes, plugins are also compiled as native PC code - dynamically loaded libraries to be precise. |
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| 14:43:32 | linuxstb | So the simulator behaves differently at a low level to real targets - hence the name "UI simulator" as it's designed for developing the UI aspects of Rockbox. |
| 14:43:36 | jhMikeS | sure, and I really support their right to serve anyone they want, but they are under contract otherwise |
| 14:43:43 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Agreed. |
| 14:43:57 | * | Llorean isn't a fan of credit cards anyway. |
| 14:44:27 | SliMM | how should iredirect the rockboxui output? |
| 14:44:47 | jhMikeS | man I just can't crash the mpegplayer anymore :) |
| 14:44:58 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Excellent news. |
| 14:45:16 | Spec | does the mpegplayer work well with the ipod video? |
| 14:45:35 | Llorean | Spec: It's very slow. |
| 14:45:39 | Spec | and will rockbox ever use the broadcom video chip on the ipod video? |
| 14:45:43 | jhMikeS | It seems pp must have per cpu banked memory mapped registers or this shouldn't work worth a darn |
| 14:45:52 | Llorean | Spec: Only if someone figures out how. |
| 14:46:03 | Spec | i see, so that's crazy reverse engineering |
| 14:46:12 | Llorean | That's one option yes. |
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| 14:47:17 | Spec | oh? was there a sane reverse engineering process? |
| 14:47:18 | * | jhMikeS didn't add any cache stuff for iPod though...someone with an iPod should do it |
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| 14:47:39 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: What did you add it for then? Just the PP5024? |
| 14:47:42 | Llorean | Spec: No, but there are less reverse-engineery processes, like figure out a way to convince broadcom to share (equally or more insane though) |
| 14:47:52 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 14:48:31 | jhMikeS | I'm not sure if it should just be the same...suppose I can look into it |
| 14:48:37 | linuxstb | AFAIK, the PP502x are all register compatible (as far as they share features). So your code should be portable to the others. |
| 14:48:50 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 14:48:58 | linuxstb | e.g. there's no ATA controller on the 5024. |
| 14:49:13 | linuxstb | And the 5024 has the embedded DAC, RTC etc |
| 14:49:21 | SliMM | please take a look over this: http://pastebin.ca/438101 |
| 14:49:55 | SliMM | this is what i get: |
| 14:49:57 | SliMM | settings_reset() |
| 14:49:58 | SliMM | reload_all_settings() |
| 14:50:00 | SliMM | We open the real file 'archos/.rockbox/nvram.bin' |
| 14:50:01 | SliMM | We open the real file 'archos/.rockbox/config.cfg' |
| 14:50:03 | SliMM | We open the real file 'archos/.rockbox/fixed.cfg' |
| 14:50:04 | SliMM | settings_apply() |
| 14:50:06 | SliMM | We open the real file 'archos/.rockbox/database_tmp.tcd' |
| 14:50:07 | SliMM | We open the real file 'archos/.rockbox/tagnavi.config' |
| 14:50:09 | SliMM | We open the real file 'archos/.rockbox/tagnavi_custom.config' |
| 14:50:11 | SliMM | We open the real file 'archos/.rockbox/viewers.config' |
| 14:50:11 | jhMikeS | I wonder if the whole 0xf0000000 range isn't core mapped |
| 14:50:12 | SliMM | We open the real file 'archos/.rockbox/langs/english.voice' |
| 14:50:14 | SliMM | We open the real file 'archos/.rockbox/database_idx.tcd' |
| 14:50:15 | SliMM | We open the real file 'archos/.rockbox/nvram.bin' |
| 14:50:16 | SliMM | Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed) |
| 14:50:17 | linuxstb | SliMM: Stop that... |
| 14:50:18 | SliMM | Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x69)! |
| 14:50:18 | jhMikeS | hey....pastebin |
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| 14:51:06 | SliMM | sorry, i thought that it was for long text |
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| 14:53:20 | Llorean | SliMM: "long" means 'more than 3 lines' in general |
| 14:53:30 | SliMM | ok, sorry |
| 14:54:32 | SliMM | what's the problem? |
| 14:54:44 | jhMikeS | I might have to minimize the buffer locking though, that seems to cause some glitching...I think the fiq might be changed to tranfer in small chunks? |
| 14:56:17 | jhMikeS | there doesn't seem much point in doing any more there than filling the fifo |
| 14:56:19 | SliMM | shouldn't i copy the backdrop if there is none? |
| 14:56:43 | Llorean | SliMM: Have you successfully run a non-modified simulator? |
| 14:56:55 | SliMM | of course |
| 14:57:01 | Llorean | If the only changes you made are in a plugin, it shouldn't be crashing until you run the plugin. |
| 14:57:18 | SliMM | it doesn't crash until i run it |
| 14:57:19 | Llorean | Assuming the plugin is the problem which is the only code you've shared. |
| 14:58:10 | SliMM | b->lcd_bitmap(rb->lcd_get_backdrop(), 0, 0, 320, 240); |
| 14:58:16 | SliMM | rb->lcd_bitmap(rb->lcd_get_backdrop(), 0, 0, 320, 240); |
| 14:58:37 | SliMM | is this the problem? |
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| 15:02:17 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: What do you mean about changing the FIQ handler? Not give it 32KB chunks in the same way as the Coldfire DMA driver? |
| 15:03:36 | jhMikeS | right |
| 15:04:26 | jhMikeS | you don't want to be waiting around forever there |
| 15:06:28 | jhMikeS | but the fiq handler can break it into small chunks...I mean if you're in the FIQ then no other code is running on that CPU right? |
| 15:10:02 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 15:10:55 | SliMM | make |
| 15:11:02 | SliMM | lol, sorry |
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| 15:14:34 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: The FIQ doesn't wait around forever - it just fills the fifo (which I think is no more than about 32 words) and then returns. A FIQ interrupt is fired when the fifo is almost empty. |
| 15:14:54 | SliMM | here are the results: 43 alpha ticks and 2 normal ticks.. pretty slow |
| 15:15:21 | linuxstb | FIQs also run with their own banked set of registers, and there is no stack activity unless the get_more() function is called. |
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| 15:17:55 | Spec | roolku: does the spider solitaire come with rockbox or do you have to get it seperate? |
| 15:19:20 | SliMM | and by the way, rb->lcd_bitmap(rb->lcd_get_backdrop(), 0, 0, 320, 240); was the problem |
| 15:19:35 | SliMM | when i set a backdrop it didn't crash anymore |
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| 15:20:49 | jhMikeS | yes, I know about banked registers...but I guess I'm missing the part where it breaks up the size returned by get_more |
| 15:20:51 | jhMikeS | :\ |
| 15:21:14 | jhMikeS | but I am doing too many things at once right now :P |
| 15:22:00 | jhMikeS | ah never mind...got it :P it returns when FIFO_FREE_COUNT < 2 |
| 15:22:48 | linuxstb | Yes. Ideally we would send larger chunks via get_more - to reduce the number of times the FIQ handle has to save state on the stack and call get_more. |
| 15:22:49 | PaulJam | Spec: you'll propably have to compile it yourself. |
| 15:22:56 | amiconn | Bagder: Either update arm-elf-gcc on bygg.haxx.se to 4.0.3, or take this server out for arm builds |
| 15:23:05 | B4gder | update in progress |
| 15:23:06 | amiconn | See what it has done to the mini2g build... |
| 15:23:12 | B4gder | old news ;-) |
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| 15:23:58 | jhMikeS | then you'd have to wait for it to play the extra data, right cause when the fifo fills I take it it blocks until theres free space? |
| 15:23:59 | amiconn | k |
| 15:24:48 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: It doesn't block, it just returns when the fifo is full and is started again by the next "fifo empty" interrupt. |
| 15:25:41 | SliMM | markun: so, alpha drawing is 22 times slower |
| 15:25:55 | markun | ok :) |
| 15:26:12 | linuxstb | So turns a gigabeat into an ondio... |
| 15:26:32 | Spec | PaulJam: is there a guide to do so? |
| 15:26:38 | SliMM | markun: i also used the alpha bitmap function :P |
| 15:26:47 | B4gder | 22 times is a lot ;-) |
| 15:27:01 | SliMM | it is at least for animations |
| 15:27:09 | linuxstb | SliMM: Now you need to optimise... |
| 15:27:38 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: I meant if you tried sending more than the FIFO size before returning it would have to block |
| 15:27:56 | SliMM | linuxstb: this could be a challange |
| 15:27:59 | SliMM | :) |
| 15:28:12 | PaulJam | Spec: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 15:28:42 | SliMM | Spec: are you a windows user? |
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| 15:28:52 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I don't understand what you're saying. Why would you want to send more than the FIFO size? The current code doesn't do that. |
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| 15:29:56 | jhMikeS | well, you said if would be better to save context switches...hypothetically. |
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| 15:31:44 | jhMikeS | but it must block once the fifo fills so it would be pointless... I'm just getting a grip on what's going on there. |
| 15:32:04 | linuxstb | The FIQ handler never blocks, if that's what you mean. |
| 15:32:53 | jhMikeS | right, cause it stops when the fifo fills or otherwise it would |
| 15:32:56 | linuxstb | The FIQ interrupt is fired when the FIFO is almost empty. The handler fills the FIFO and then returns. If the input buffer becomes empty, then get_more() is called to get a new pointer to some data to send to the fifo. |
| 15:33:04 | markun | int AgentAspect::ReadFapBuffer(char *buffer) |
| 15:33:04 | markun | { |
| 15:33:04 | markun | int fapnum,frameind; |
| 15:33:04 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK markun |
| 15:33:04 | markun | // int **isfeatpnt; |
| 15:33:05 | markun | int **fapmask; |
| 15:33:11 | markun | oops |
| 15:33:25 | Thundercloud | fap |
| 15:33:27 | Thundercloud | :D |
| 15:33:29 | jhMikeS | right, I understand now...now I'm thinking...how to do it using DMA instead |
| 15:33:41 | markun | Thundercloud: yes, for face animations :) |
| 15:34:53 | Spec | SliMM: err, i'm currently using my gf's laptop which is windows, but i'm by no means a windows user |
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| 15:36:41 | SliMM | well i am, and for comipling rockbox on windows, you should spend some time downloading the vmwareplayer and the rockbox development environment |
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| 15:37:36 | Spec | i was thinkin' about ssh'n over to a linux comp and scp'ng the zip back |
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| 15:38:22 | SliMM | you need to install the compilers |
| 15:38:29 | linuxstb | Spec: Are you planning on using the simulator? |
| 15:38:40 | SliMM | rockbox development env already has them installed |
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| 15:39:14 | Spec | running vmwareplayer on this laptop would be too slow for me to bear |
| 15:39:25 | Spec | are there linux build instructions and/or a list of required programs? |
| 15:40:14 | linuxstb | The wiki should have them. But in two steps: 1) Download the Rockbox source (svn is best - see the UsingSVN wiki page); 2) Run the tools/rockboxdev.sh script which will download and install the required cross-compilers. |
| 15:40:25 | Spec | ah, that's simple :) |
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| 15:42:51 | dukeman | the sansapatcher for linux refuses to admit that my sansa e200 is indeed a sansa; I assume this is because i have made it look not-so-original the last time i reformatted it. What is the partition table _supposed_ to look like for the sansapatcher to stop yelling at me? |
| 15:43:06 | crop | Any wiki admins here? |
| 15:43:20 | | Join himitsu [0] (n=himitsu@203.205.119.191) |
| 15:44:08 | crop | I've changed my mind and would like to register for the wiki. I'll probably also try to describe the RB memory layout and it would be pity (also for me) if that would bring nothing to the RB community. |
| 15:44:11 | linuxstb | dukeman: The partition table should have two partitions - first one type 0xb, second one type 0x84 |
| 15:44:20 | dukeman | oh |
| 15:44:25 | dukeman | My forst is 0x0c |
| 15:44:36 | dukeman | Thank you very much |
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| 15:45:10 | dukeman | Did you see rockbox on the last dl.tv episode, btw? |
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| 15:45:36 | dukeman | Not much, but it's publicity ^^ |
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| 15:46:42 | crop | petur: ping |
| 15:46:52 | austriancoder | hi all |
| 15:47:41 | linuxstb | dukeman: Looking at their website, they're following the annoying trend of linking to unofficial (and incorrect) install instructions.... |
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| 15:47:57 | markun | austriancoder: hi |
| 15:48:23 | dukeman | Yeah, it's pretty shallow all around, but still you'd think that it might make more people interested in rockbox |
| 15:48:40 | dukeman | Can't be a bad thing, right? |
| 15:49:00 | linuxstb | People following wrong install instructions and then coming here for support is a bad thing... |
| 15:49:22 | Llorean | Especially since following those install instructions will result on their iPod constantly data aborting |
| 15:49:27 | Llorean | Giving people a very, very bad first impression |
| 15:49:47 | dukeman | pain |
| 15:50:59 | crop | Llorean: could you activate my wiki account? |
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| 15:51:40 | Llorean | crop: Wiki name? |
| 15:51:58 | crop | Llorean: SamuelKatz |
| 15:52:51 | Llorean | crop: Done |
| 15:53:24 | GodEater | the NSA are on their way |
| 15:53:27 | GodEater | ;) |
| 15:53:30 | crop | Llorean: thanks |
| 15:56:01 | crop | Llorean: what's the easiest way to convert html to wiky syntax? |
| 15:56:10 | preglow | manually, probably |
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| 15:59:12 | petur | crop: the webclient doesn't really ping me... |
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| 16:11:58 | crop | petur: ok, no problem. How can I set the vertical alignment of a table cell to top (in wiki lingo)? |
| 16:16:01 | Hammer89 | is anyone else here experiencing audio cut-outs every nine seconds (first one at 9 secs, 2nd at 18 secs, etc) on their Sansa e200? Or is it just something wrong with my player/rockbox installation |
| 16:16:48 | markun | Hammer89: what kind of files are you trying to play? |
| 16:16:56 | Hammer89 | mp3 |
| 16:17:15 | Hammer89 | I've tried multiple... so it's not how they're encoded or anything |
| 16:17:16 | markun | do you have a peak-meter in your WPS? |
| 16:17:20 | Hammer89 | no |
| 16:17:43 | markun | what about equalizer or crossfeed? |
| 16:18:02 | Hammer89 | I can check... are those known to cause that? |
| 16:18:33 | markun | I guess they can, but I don't know how well rockbox runs on the Sansa to be honest |
| 16:19:09 | Hammer89 | crossfeed was on |
| 16:19:49 | Hammer89 | turned it off and I'm still getting drop-outs |
| 16:20:01 | GodEater | any other DSP effects ? |
| 16:20:14 | Hammer89 | DSP...? |
| 16:20:35 | GodEater | crossfade, or EQ settings as markun asked |
| 16:20:44 | Hammer89 | oh... I'll check |
| 16:21:07 | Hammer89 | the menus also run painfully slow during audio playback |
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| 16:22:15 | Hammer89 | (EQ was enabled) |
| 16:22:49 | Hammer89 | I think it was the EQ :) |
| 16:23:00 | Hammer89 | it's running smooth again |
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| 16:24:55 | linuxstb | You can either say 1) Rockbox has too many cool features for the Sansa's CPU to cope with; or 2) Rockbox isn't properly optimised for the Sansa (and other targets using dual-core CPUs like the ipods and iriver H10) yet. |
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| 16:25:36 | markun | Hammer89: hopefully it will be optimized so you can use the EQ again |
| 16:25:51 | linuxstb | Well, Rockbox is only using 50% of the power at the moment... |
| 16:27:53 | Hammer89 | not having an EQ isn't all that big of a deal to me... I'd rather see full USB functionality and MicroSD recognition ;) |
| 16:28:52 | petur | crop: don't know no time |
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| 16:29:51 | crop | petur: just read on the twiki site: one can just use the standard HTML syntax for tables |
| 16:30:41 | perl|work | markun do you know more than 4000 units were sold in 24 hours |
| 16:31:00 | markun | amazing |
| 16:31:03 | GodEater | this the officedepot deal on the F40 ? |
| 16:31:04 | markun | where did you read that? |
| 16:31:52 | perl|work | markun somebody from fatwallet called the warehouse |
| 16:31:59 | perl|work | and the deal is no more |
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| 16:32:12 | perl|work | all gone in one day |
| 16:32:28 | perl|work | i doubt toshiba knows about it |
| 16:32:30 | perl|work | and its a shame |
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| 16:32:34 | markun | but it's still listed |
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| 16:32:50 | perl|work | it says out of stock if you add it |
| 16:33:02 | perl|work | removed from amazon as well |
| 16:33:32 | markun | Gigabeat mania |
| 16:34:23 | perl|work | they might as well release it again for a reasonable price |
| 16:34:31 | perl|work | but toshiba will never do it |
| 16:35:22 | markun | it's too late for that |
| 16:35:35 | markun | although iriver did a similar thing with the H1xx series, no? |
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| 16:36:09 | perl|work | markun they did |
| 16:36:52 | perl|work | but i think toshiba is tied up with miscrosoft and the likes too much now |
| 16:37:27 | perl|work | markun have you seen the new gigabeats? |
| 16:37:44 | perl|work | with fm broadcast feature |
| 16:38:01 | markun | yes, I read about it |
| 16:38:03 | perl|work | ugly flash little bugger |
| 16:38:03 | markun | the U |
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| 16:39:28 | markun | the only radios I have are in on my TV-capture card in my PC and one in my iriver H120, so the broadcasting feature is not so interesting to me :) |
| 16:39:52 | linuxstb | You could annoy people on the train... |
| 16:40:47 | perl|work | i sort of like this device |
| 16:40:50 | perl|work | http://www.engadget.com/photos/lg-fm37-touch-screen-mp3-player/ |
| 16:41:08 | perl|work | interesting ideas about navigation and such |
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| 16:45:42 | Spec | can i set rockbox to not go into hard-drive mode if the usb cable is plugged in? |
| 16:46:10 | markun | Spec: on most players by holding "MENU" |
| 16:46:20 | markun | while you insert the cable |
| 16:47:09 | perl|work | markun have you tried loadable icons? |
| 16:47:15 | Spec | yeah...what if the cable is inserted and i'm turning the ipod on? |
| 16:47:49 | markun | perl|work: no |
| 16:47:53 | markun | you? |
| 16:47:57 | perl|work | yes |
| 16:48:00 | perl|work | i liked it alot |
| 16:48:03 | perl|work | a lot* |
| 16:48:08 | markun | I liked the screenshots |
| 16:48:14 | perl|work | there's a custom set made by Eli |
| 16:48:22 | markun | Spec: I'm not sure if that will work |
| 16:48:27 | perl|work | its much easier to navigate with them |
| 16:48:31 | perl|work | and they look very cute |
| 16:49:05 | perl|work | navigation is a blast with them |
| 16:49:13 | perl|work | through settings and such |
| 16:49:19 | linuxstb | Spec: No, Rockbox needs to be running for it to detect the button press. Just turn it on first, then insert the cable... |
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| 16:49:55 | perl|work | markun would appeal to girls for sure, tested :P |
| 16:51:41 | Spec | linuxstb: ah, but the ipod is dead, so i can't turn it on |
| 16:51:49 | Spec | it seems rockbox's drain is more than my usb's charge is |
| 16:53:48 | linuxstb | Yes, it normally is. |
| 16:54:21 | linuxstb | Turn the hold switch on before inserting USB - the ipod will charge, and then when it has enough charge, it will boot into the Apple firmware and continue. |
| 16:57:00 | perl|work | invadrox crashes the player when you exit it and start playing music |
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| 17:01:19 | roolku | perl|work: where is that custom icon set by Eli? |
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| 17:01:46 | linuxstb | perl|work: You mean music playback crashes after running invadrox? |
| 17:02:24 | perl|work | linuxstb exactly |
| 17:03:10 | perl|work | roolku |
| 17:03:11 | perl|work | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=13698 |
| 17:03:24 | linuxstb | How exactly does it crash. And I assume by "the player" you mean your gigabeat? |
| 17:03:36 | roolku | perl|work: ah, didn't check the tracker. thanks |
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| 17:04:39 | perl|work | linuxstb, yes, gigabeat. while in WPS it shows an error message in the upper left corner and locks all the buttons |
| 17:05:00 | perl|work | dont have the player nearby now to tell you exactly what it says |
| 17:05:36 | linuxstb | So the recipe to recreate would be 1) Turn on gigabeat; 2) Play invadrox; 3) Exit invadrox and attempt music playback ? |
| 17:05:48 | perl|work | linuxstb correct |
| 17:05:58 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 17:05:58 | * | linuxstb starts cooking |
| 17:06:36 | linuxstb | BTW, do other people get a false "recharge battery" message very frequently when turning on their gigabeat? |
| 17:06:52 | perl|work | linuxstb yes, when the battery is low |
| 17:07:00 | * | petur runs off to company drink |
| 17:07:06 | perl|work | well "low" |
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| 17:07:42 | markun | linuxstb: I get it a lot |
| 17:07:47 | markun | didn't find any pattern |
| 17:08:00 | markun | maybe just a problem with the ADC? |
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| 17:08:51 | linuxstb | perl|work: Your recipe was a success. I get a "data abort". |
| 17:09:48 | pondlife | Tasty! |
| 17:10:04 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 17:10:21 | linuxstb | Another question, how does bootloader USB mode work on the gigabeat? I thought it was implemented, but it always seems to start Rockbox when I turn it on with USB attached. |
| 17:10:56 | markun | linuxstb: you need to hold MENU while booting |
| 17:11:08 | linuxstb | Is there a reason for that? |
| 17:11:13 | perl|work | hehe |
| 17:11:17 | markun | not really |
| 17:11:19 | linuxstb | I mean why not always enter USB mode? |
| 17:11:32 | linuxstb | It's useful for upgrading to new rockbox versions... |
| 17:12:07 | * | perl|work wishes for POWER and A to be switched |
| 17:12:20 | linuxstb | Is there a patch for it? |
| 17:12:30 | perl|work | linuxstb nope |
| 17:12:49 | perl|work | but its impossible to page scroll with the current setup |
| 17:12:57 | perl|work | it starts playing the track everytime |
| 17:13:18 | perl|work | besides other annoyances |
| 17:13:35 | linuxstb | So POWER is used for key combinations? |
| 17:13:42 | perl|work | linuxstb correct |
| 17:13:47 | linuxstb | Meaning accidental shutdowns... |
| 17:14:07 | perl|work | yes, thats the best part |
| 17:14:15 | * | roolku uses A for shutdown |
| 17:14:22 | perl|work | roolku how come? |
| 17:14:39 | linuxstb | Shouldn't a button marked "POWER" shutdown? |
| 17:14:43 | perl|work | linuxstb theres a patch to switch POWER and SELECT which is very wrong imho |
| 17:14:46 | roolku | I patched it, as I don't like using the same button for on and off |
| 17:15:10 | roolku | and also to avoid accidental poweroff when editing text (power = shift) |
| 17:15:24 | linuxstb | Is there a technical reason POWER=shift? |
| 17:15:29 | perl|work | roolku so basically you created a patch to switch POWER and A? |
| 17:15:36 | linuxstb | i.e. is it the only button suitable? |
| 17:15:40 | markun | linuxstb: I think it should be A |
| 17:15:50 | linuxstb | markun: So there's no hardware limitations? |
| 17:15:54 | roolku | linuxstb: like I say I prefer two different buttons for on and off and also |
| 17:16:02 | markun | linuxstb: all combinations are possible |
| 17:16:10 | roolku | perl|work: no I only changed the shutdown button to A |
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| 17:16:28 | linuxstb | roolku: Fair enough... |
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| 17:16:30 | markun | roolku: I'll change power and A and you can keep using your patch, ok? |
| 17:16:36 | roolku | power is more ergonomical for shift then A |
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| 17:16:52 | roolku | try using A in the cradle - nearly impossible |
| 17:16:59 | perl|work | markun please do! |
| 17:17:10 | markun | roolku: don't edit text in the cradle :) |
| 17:17:43 | * | linuxstb hasn't removed the cradle from the box. |
| 17:17:44 | roolku | well, I'd rather have the device do what I want then do what the device wants |
| 17:18:06 | linuxstb | You should install Rockbox... |
| 17:18:07 | roolku | than |
| 17:18:20 | * | roolku has a heavily customised rockbox |
| 17:18:46 | perl|work | roolku it just a matter of moving your thumb down |
| 17:19:23 | perl|work | you still have to use two hands to do shift operations |
| 17:19:26 | roolku | perl|work: huh? I don't operate any button with the thumb? |
| 17:20:05 | perl|work | huh? thats interesting |
| 17:20:09 | roolku | perl|work: the only finger that would work is the pinky |
| 17:20:32 | markun | perl|work, linuxstb: looks ok? http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/button-fix.patch |
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| 17:21:22 | * | roolku quickly makes a copy of his keymap file :) |
| 17:21:32 | markun | I think I should remove the { ACTION_STD_OK, BUTTON_A|BUTTON_REL, BUTTON_NONE } |
| 17:21:45 | markun | as it's only anoying |
| 17:22:24 | linuxstb | markun: How does that compare to the H140? I think my thoughts were something like PLAY (H140) = A (GB), STOP = POWER and AB = MENU. |
| 17:22:33 | roolku | you better update the manual as well - this is going to create havoc :) |
| 17:22:41 | markun | linuxstb: yes |
| 17:23:34 | markun | roolku: I agree, we've waited way too long |
| 17:23:42 | linuxstb | You haven't changed SELECT in the WPS though? |
| 17:23:51 | markun | no :) |
| 17:23:56 | * | roolku has a patch for that as wel |
| 17:23:57 | perl|work | markun maybe keep it just as a patch? |
| 17:23:59 | roolku | l |
| 17:24:10 | linuxstb | markun: Let's argue over that another day... |
| 17:24:23 | markun | linuxstb: yes |
| 17:24:25 | * | roolku agrees with perl|work |
| 17:24:31 | perl|work | markun but a lot of people requested it... |
| 17:25:24 | * | roolku pleads for select to browse in wps |
| 17:25:47 | markun | wouldn't SELECT for ACTION_STD_OK be better than A? |
| 17:26:02 | linuxstb | Yes, isn't it already? |
| 17:26:12 | markun | no, not everywhere |
| 17:27:14 | linuxstb | Hmmm... Why would ACTION_STD_OK be defined in so many places? |
| 17:27:23 | markun | yes.. strange |
| 17:27:41 | linuxstb | The older system was clearer... |
| 17:28:32 | markun | And I'm still not sure when to place something in the 3rd position of the table |
| 17:28:39 | markun | 3rd column |
| 17:28:40 | linuxstb | Maybe just remove the duplicate (and different) definitions? Hopefully it would fall back to the standard context. |
| 17:29:10 | markun | I can try |
| 17:29:43 | linuxstb | Or ask jdGordon when he wakes up... |
| 17:30:21 | linuxstb | I don't understand why something called ACTION_STD_PREV is defined in for example the settings context - shouldn't that be called ACTION_SETTINGS_PREV ? |
| 17:30:43 | markun | so, what would be a consistent keymap? SELECT for ok, POWER for cancel/stop/poweroff, A as modifier ? |
| 17:31:10 | perl|work | markun, i concur |
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| 17:31:59 | linuxstb | Sounds sensible. |
| 17:33:42 | markun | I'll try to clean it up a bit |
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| 17:34:19 | markun | and I guess ACTION_WPSAB_RESET should be ACTION_WPS_AB_RESET |
| 17:34:51 | markun | or even ACTION_WPS_ABRESET |
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| 17:35:16 | toffe82 | markun: isn't it possible to have a setting for this , so you can change it the way you like ? |
| 17:35:38 | markun | toffe82: no, and it becomes a support nightmare |
| 17:35:46 | markun | but maybe one day we will give in :) |
| 17:35:52 | toffe82 | :) |
| 17:36:26 | toffe82 | I am thinking about people who doens't really care ... |
| 17:37:03 | perl|work | markun and maybe led buttons settings can be moved from debug finally, the author of that feature sort of disappeared |
| 17:39:50 | markun | perl|work: I mailed him last week, didn't hear a thing |
| 17:40:03 | perl|work | markun really strange, hope he's alright |
| 17:40:13 | markun | We agreed how the settings should be changed before moving them out of debug |
| 17:40:32 | markun | last I heard he was busy quiting his job at intel |
| 17:41:24 | roolku | it would be good to be able to split the lights up to have one LED for hard disk activity and one for charging |
| 17:42:26 | perl|work | i think charging looked really nice with the lighting up one by one |
| 17:42:34 | perl|work | them* |
| 17:47:23 | Nimdae | mahna mahna |
| 17:47:25 | Nimdae | long time no see |
| 17:47:38 | markun | linuxstb: do you know for example why we have 3 times ACTION_TREE_STOP ? |
| 17:49:20 | Nimdae | my ipod, upon connecting usb, powers on and boots to rockbox, then freezes...last time this happened, i had to update the bootloader, but that doesn't appear to be fixing it now |
| 17:53:36 | linuxstb | markun: It seems to be the three different ways to press A - i.e. the action happens when you press A for the first time, also on release, and also on repeat... So no, I don't understand why the second two are needed. |
| 17:53:53 | linuxstb | Nimdae: That a known (relatively recent) problem... |
| 17:54:11 | Nimdae | ok |
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| 17:58:36 | Nimdae | was that part of the effort to get usb working? |
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| 18:00:46 | linuxstb | No, I think it happened the usb detection change. |
| 18:01:04 | * | linuxstb should try and find when it broke... |
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| 18:05:10 | markun | perl|work: did you try my keyboard file? |
| 18:06:20 | Spec | anyone know of a working itunesDB -> rockbox db program/script? |
| 18:06:22 | perl|work | markun yes, it worked |
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| 18:07:04 | markun | nice |
| 18:08:18 | perl|work | markun, i have a nice 2 language layout nice |
| 18:08:25 | perl|work | nice=now |
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| 18:12:21 | Spec | how long do you have to hold down menu when you plug in the cable? |
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| 18:14:23 | amiconn | markun: The 3rd column in the keymap tables is the prerequisite |
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| 18:14:48 | amiconn | Imo it's rather simple, and in fact the same thing as the old _PRE macros |
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| 18:16:04 | amiconn | You need this to distinguish between short and long presses, if you want a long press to trigger only once, or if you want to use the button both as a short press on its own and as a shift button together with other buttons |
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| 18:17:36 | markun | amiconn: can you look at the gigabeat keymap and explain me some things? |
| 18:17:39 | markun | ah ok |
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| 18:23:40 | RFA | hellp |
| 18:23:43 | RFA | hello |
| 18:23:48 | ColdSphinX | hi |
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| 18:24:13 | RFA | need some help with rockbox installation on an ipod nano 1stgen |
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| 18:24:26 | pondlife | ColdSphinX: Thanks for the help with the icon bitmap patch earlier |
| 18:24:33 | pondlife | It's very nice, isn't it |
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| 18:25:40 | grndslm | soo...what wasn't quite "up to par" on the sansa e200 series again? just not optimal sound quality & battery life?? |
| 18:25:57 | RFA | can't install ipodpatcher can someone help |
| 18:25:57 | grndslm | if that's it...i'll have to buy it and just rockbox it next year or something |
| 18:27:20 | ColdSphinX | pondlife yes it is awsome, but if I load an remoticonset in a cfg after an iconset it's overite the iconset...thats a nasty bug, because the config.cfg wites the line for the remoteiconset after the line for the iconset |
| 18:28:35 | * | amiconn thinks this patch still need some work before it is ready for svn |
| 18:30:01 | pondlife | Yep, also how does it impact binary size? |
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| 18:30:22 | pondlife | My buffer seemed somewhat smaller, but I didn't do a scientific comparison yet |
| 18:30:25 | spiorf | RFA, you're using windows or linux? |
| 18:30:34 | RFA | hi spiorf |
| 18:30:36 | RFA | linux |
| 18:30:43 | RFA | debian 4.0 |
| 18:31:01 | spiorf | RFA, i found installation much easier with windows |
| 18:31:06 | spiorf | only a .exe to run |
| 18:31:28 | RFA | yes but i havn no windows |
| 18:31:56 | RFA | i kicked windows last weekend |
| 18:32:23 | spiorf | RFA, http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-110002.2.3 |
| 18:32:29 | spiorf | you followed this? |
| 18:32:56 | RFA | yes |
| 18:33:12 | spiorf | and? |
| 18:33:34 | RFA | if i want ti install ipodpatcher |
| 18:34:16 | RFA | and type the commands in the terminal |
| 18:34:25 | RFA | its sucks |
| 18:34:33 | RFA | i have no rights |
| 18:34:58 | spiorf | RFA, use sudo |
| 18:35:05 | RFA | i have |
| 18:35:12 | RFA | root terminal |
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| 18:36:11 | grndslm | soo...what wasn't quite "up to par" on the sansa e200 series again? just not optimal sound quality & battery life?? |
| 18:36:40 | spiorf | RFA, chmod -x ipodpatcher gives no execution permission |
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| 18:36:43 | spiorf | it takes it |
| 18:36:55 | spiorf | ytou haveo to do chmod a+x ipodpatcher |
| 18:36:58 | spiorf | not -x |
| 18:37:06 | RFA | i try |
| 18:37:16 | Spec | how does one normally use rockbox with all the mp3s having silly-names? |
| 18:37:26 | Spec | it makes the playlists useless....due to iTunes' randomness |
| 18:37:34 | RFA | ok |
| 18:38:36 | RFA | ok i have permission but no ipod fount |
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| 18:40:11 | RFA | [INFO] Scanning disk devices... |
| 18:40:11 | RFA | [ERR] No ipods found, aborting |
| 18:40:11 | RFA | [ERR] Please connect your ipod and ensure it is in disk mode |
| 18:40:11 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK RFA |
| 18:40:11 | RFA | [ERR] Please refer to the Rockbox manual if you continue to have problems. |
| 18:40:53 | RFA | mount |
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| 18:43:40 | spiorf | RFA, same problem here |
| 18:43:53 | spiorf | i had to use my sister's pc with windows |
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| 18:44:03 | spiorf | and ipodpatcher.exe |
| 18:44:10 | RFA | ok |
| 18:44:48 | spiorf | RFA, you can try following this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodBoot |
| 18:45:14 | spiorf | be careful chossing the ipod /dev/*** thing |
| 18:45:36 | spiorf | i deleted a partition on my hd for using the wrong device file |
| 18:46:22 | RFA | yes thanks |
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| 18:47:22 | RFA | i try it first with virtualbox Windows |
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| 18:48:06 | Spec | so is scrolling margins in svn currently, or is it just a patch? |
| 18:48:54 | ColdSphinX | patch |
| 18:49:24 | Spec | am i gonna want scrolling margins? and why does a margin need to scroll? =P |
| 18:49:38 | ColdSphinX | why not? ;) |
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| 18:50:14 | ColdSphinX | I've somethig todo... |
| 18:50:16 | Spec | so if i make a new rockbox.zip, and i overlay it atop my iPod right now, will all my configs be reset? :-/ |
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| 18:50:44 | ColdSphinX | no, there should be no config.cfg in the zip |
| 18:50:49 | Rincewind | Spec: no |
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| 18:51:05 | Spec | ah, excellent. |
| 18:51:09 | Rincewind | you can save your config manually to be on the safe side, though |
| 18:52:11 | Spec | is there a comprehensive list of patches that i might want? |
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| 18:58:31 | bluebrother | Spec: do you really want patches at all? |
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| 18:59:07 | Spec | bluebrother: some of these things look neat, and they require album art and scrolling margins patches |
| 18:59:18 | Spec | although really, i don't have any album art, so those i don't really need. |
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| 19:08:04 | daurn|zaurus | hey |
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| 19:12:27 | perl|work | new lovely icon set |
| 19:12:29 | perl|work | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=13712 |
| 19:12:43 | l2eM1x | those are nice |
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| 19:22:09 | bluebrother | nice indeed. |
| 19:22:24 | bluebrother | did someone make nice icons for greyscale targets too? ;-) |
| 19:23:35 | pixelma | what I've been wondering about icons for greyscale targets is how they'll look like on a backdrop... |
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| 19:29:45 | bluebrother | has anyone ever used a backdrop on greyscale targets for everyday use anyway? |
| 19:30:03 | bluebrother | ok, I have one, but that is only the rockbox logo in a corner |
| 19:31:21 | pixelma | I tried it for a while... wasn't that bad (full screen, mostly white and light grey) only switched it off recently to do some screenshots |
| 19:32:01 | bluebrother | it would work better if the text wasn't transparent when inverted |
| 19:32:22 | bluebrother | i.e. the hilighted entry doesn't show the backdrop colors |
| 19:32:45 | pixelma | but honestly it was only to play around with it |
| 19:35:47 | pixelma | (and to discover that set as backdrop/clear backdrop was broken :D ) |
| 19:36:49 | pixelma | it was only "clear backdrop" |
| 19:38:49 | bluebrother | the first time I played around with backdrops on a greyscale target I used a image that was totally inapropriate because of its colors. Had a hard time finding the "clear backdrop" entry ;-) |
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| 19:49:26 | Stalwart | perl|work: color icons are implemented already? |
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| 19:52:03 | spiorf | Stalwart, you mean this? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7013 |
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| 19:57:48 | * | amiconn *really* wonders about fs #7026 |
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| 19:58:55 | amiconn | Hmm, in fact that's correct, but the function names are way misleading as to what the return value should be... |
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| 20:05:50 | perl|work | Stalwart yes its a patch for now |
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| 20:06:22 | Nico_P | it's an awesome patch ! just tried it |
| 20:06:43 | Stalwart | i don't think eye-candy stuff should be implemented for now |
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| 20:06:53 | Nico_P | Stalwart: why's that ? |
| 20:06:56 | linuxstb | amiconn: How could the function names be any better? |
| 20:07:15 | Stalwart | rockbox is still unstable, especially with dualcore enabled |
| 20:07:22 | amiconn | I would always expect readshort() to return a short, and readlong() to return a long |
| 20:07:29 | Nico_P | Stalwart: it's an unrelated part of the code |
| 20:07:30 | Stalwart | and video support should be improved |
| 20:07:30 | linuxstb | IIUC, the return code just indicates if the function was successful or not. |
| 20:07:48 | amiconn | Yes it does |
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| 20:08:11 | amiconn | But other places in rockbox also have readshort() and readlong(), with return values one would expect... |
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| 20:08:23 | linuxstb | Stalwart: What's video support if it isn't eye candy? |
| 20:08:38 | Stalwart | sometimes using rockbox i think "damn, i should rewrite everything except drivers" |
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| 20:09:01 | Stalwart | linuxstb: video is demanded functionality, icons aren't |
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| 20:09:09 | linuxstb | amiconn: There are far too many of those functions. There are a lot in metadata.c as well. |
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| 20:09:29 | linuxstb | It would be nice to move them into system.h or similar, like the byte-swapping macros. |
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| 20:10:01 | linuxstb | Stalwart: People demand everything.... |
| 20:10:09 | * | ender wishes he could run rockbox on his phone - the symbian interface is so slow and moving with joystick through menus isn't nowhere as nice as with rockbox |
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| 20:11:09 | BoeMatic | hi |
| 20:12:01 | BoeMatic | anybody there? |
| 20:12:31 | l2eM1x | lots of people |
| 20:12:58 | BoeMatic | then why is nobody talking :) |
| 20:13:25 | perl|work | Stalwart besides being an eyecandy, icons do help while navigating through menus |
| 20:13:46 | perl|work | just try it |
| 20:14:03 | BoeMatic | i have a problem with the actual rockbox release :/ |
| 20:14:16 | linuxstb | Which release? |
| 20:14:21 | BoeMatic | wait... |
| 20:15:09 | BoeMatic | 2007-04-13 15:43 for the iriver H10 20G |
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| 20:16:13 | perl|work | funny line on amazon homepage: |
| 20:16:14 | linuxstb | OK.... So what's the problem? |
| 20:16:16 | BoeMatic | when i enter the database view, enter A to Z an then artists is don't see anything |
| 20:16:24 | perl|work | It's iPod. It's Pink. It's Only $76.97.What's not to love? |
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| 20:16:45 | joa | lol |
| 20:16:51 | BoeMatic | it kinda looks like that there is no database |
| 20:17:10 | perl|work | (it was about ipod shuffle btw) |
| 20:17:25 | BoeMatic | the same with albums |
| 20:17:30 | davina | rockbox on the ipod shuffle - cool ;) |
| 20:17:39 | bluebrother | BoeMatic: sounds like your database is broken |
| 20:18:05 | bluebrother | maybe you updated from a build that was before the last changes to the database file format got committed ... |
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| 20:18:25 | BoeMatic | well my last update was in march ... |
| 20:18:32 | BoeMatic | beginning of marcg |
| 20:18:34 | BoeMatic | h |
| 20:18:43 | l2eM1x | i wish the A to Z had a Songs part too |
| 20:18:52 | bluebrother | I'm not completely sure, but I think there was a change i between |
| 20:19:05 | bluebrother | l2eM1x: create one yourself ;-) |
| 20:19:08 | spiorf | l2eM1x, edit tagnavi.conf to get one |
| 20:19:08 | BoeMatic | ok.. so what can i do? |
| 20:19:19 | l2eM1x | roger that |
| 20:19:28 | BoeMatic | i already deleted these database files in the .rockbox directory |
| 20:19:32 | bluebrother | reinitialize the database |
| 20:19:50 | bluebrother | if you deleted that files you need to do that anyway. |
| 20:19:55 | PaulJam | afaik the database knows if the files are incompatible because of changes and asks to initialize. |
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| 20:20:42 | amiconn | markun: Is there a specific reason why fs 6342 isn't committed yet? |
| 20:20:45 | bluebrother | bbl |
| 20:21:13 | crop | amiconn, linuxstb: could you please tell me why IRAMORIG is defined with different values in app.lds and in plugin.lds? Is a part of rockbox's IRAM preserved even if the plugin uses IRAM? |
| 20:21:42 | linuxstb | IRAM is split in half - half is used for core Rockbox, half for plugins/codecs. |
| 20:22:00 | amiconn | Yes, iram is split (evenly) between core and plugins/codecs, on targets which have enough iram |
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| 20:22:29 | amiconn | Targets with a very small amount of iram use it in the core only |
| 20:22:30 | BoeMatic | i think it doesn't work... |
| 20:22:53 | blackness | have there been any changes to the recording kills playback bug? |
| 20:23:01 | crop | Ah... So RB only uses a half of what would be possible? Even if no plugin uses IRAM? |
| 20:23:05 | linuxstb | amiconn: What do you think about removing the return values from readlong and readshort, and performing the necessary checks in the main code. Most of the main code is a sequence of unconditional readshort/long calls, so one check at the start of the block would be sufficient. |
| 20:23:36 | amiconn | Sounds like a good move |
| 20:24:04 | linuxstb | OK, I'll give it a go. Could be my first chance at code-sixe reduction.... |
| 20:24:08 | linuxstb | ^size |
| 20:24:47 | spiorf | the new icon patch needs to know at compile time the width of the icons? because i tried icons on ipod nano, but icons are too close to the text |
| 20:25:08 | spiorf | can i just add some pink pixels in the bmp file? |
| 20:25:29 | crop | Does playback use the part of IRAM that's reserved for plugins? Otherwise why must playback stop if a plugin using IRAM is started? |
| 20:25:41 | perl|work | amiconn i can proof read 6342 |
| 20:25:42 | linuxstb | crop: Yes, the codecs use the plugin/codec IRAM. |
| 20:26:03 | linuxstb | crop: Generally the only plugins that use IRAM are very large ones that also need to grab the main audio buffer. |
| 20:26:39 | linuxstb | Or ones like Pacbox which are very slow, meaning there isn't enough CPU anyway to decode audio at the same time as running the plugin. |
| 20:26:51 | perl|work | spiorf theres a default set of icons to download for compiling |
| 20:26:56 | crop | linuxstb: ah, so codecs/plugins don't touch the RB's iram, right? |
| 20:27:03 | linuxstb | right. |
| 20:27:16 | linuxstb | Well, apart from calling core functions which use IRAM... |
| 20:27:18 | crop | linuxstb: thanks! |
| 20:27:19 | blackness | the only reason I ask is not becuase of convinience but for the life of my ipod. |
| 20:27:28 | spiorf | perl|work, yes, i used that one. the question is: can i widen that file without changing anything else? |
| 20:27:33 | linuxstb | But they don't use the core iram themselves directly. |
| 20:27:38 | BoeMatic | now it says database not ready... |
| 20:27:45 | spiorf | so that there is a gap between icon and text |
| 20:28:01 | Stalwart | btw, is sansa really so great? |
| 20:28:05 | BoeMatic | at least when i select Track |
| 20:28:09 | l2eM1x | i love my sansa |
| 20:28:13 | Stalwart | i saw it in shops, looks nice and affordable |
| 20:28:18 | perl|work | spiorf oh i see, have you check the icon settings in the menu? |
| 20:28:21 | l2eM1x | the firmware is shotty but that player did me great justice for 6 months |
| 20:28:24 | l2eM1x | before i got a free ipod |
| 20:28:59 | PaulJam | BoeMatic: have you rebooted after initialisation finished? |
| 20:29:03 | Stalwart | i have ipod nano for year already and it works nice except i bended back plate |
| 20:29:06 | BoeMatic | yeah |
| 20:29:10 | crop | linuxstb: yes, I meant that they don't load any data there |
| 20:29:20 | l2eM1x | Stalwart: Yeah those players are really weak looking |
| 20:29:20 | BoeMatic | when i select Track i can see all the songs |
| 20:29:31 | BoeMatic | but when i select artist or album ... :( |
| 20:29:31 | l2eM1x | Stalwart: like i could crush it |
| 20:29:36 | Stalwart | l2eM1x: at least it survived my roof running |
| 20:30:09 | Stalwart | 4 cheap noname DAPs i used before failed in ~2 months |
| 20:30:20 | Stalwart | ipod works for year already |
| 20:30:41 | Stalwart | and it runs rockbox ^_^ |
| 20:30:42 | l2eM1x | Stalwart: its a good product |
| 20:30:43 | pixelma | BoeMatic: did you initialise the database and a reboot afterwards if it still says "not ready"? |
| 20:30:53 | l2eM1x | Stalwart: I wish the scrollwheel worked better |
| 20:30:57 | l2eM1x | my only complaint |
| 20:31:28 | Stalwart | what's up with scroll wheel? |
| 20:31:32 | perl|work | i wish ipods wouldnt sound like $10 chinese cd players |
| 20:31:36 | BoeMatic | how can i see if the initialising is done? |
| 20:31:45 | l2eM1x | perl haha |
| 20:31:53 | l2eM1x | Stalwart: Mine works like crap with rockbox |
| 20:31:54 | Stalwart | perl|work: actually, it's default earbud problem, not ipods |
| 20:32:01 | l2eM1x | i have to scroll a TON |
| 20:32:13 | perl|work | Stalwart actually it's ipods problem and its cheap amps |
| 20:32:15 | Stalwart | look for acceleration patch |
| 20:32:24 | l2eM1x | as soon as i apply it |
| 20:32:30 | l2eM1x | if i have errors i have to un apply it |
| 20:32:30 | perl|work | 4g has more or less decent one |
| 20:32:37 | perl|work | everything else - _rubbish_ |
| 20:32:43 | l2eM1x | because i cant complain with patches on |
| 20:32:46 | l2eM1x | so i just stay away from them |
| 20:32:56 | perl|work | to each his/her own i guess |
| 20:33:00 | Stalwart | i bought normal headphones and it sounds fine to me |
| 20:33:04 | BoeMatic | it's weird... i go to database/track it says not ready, i go to database/a to z / artists there is nothing |
| 20:33:16 | crop | linuxstb: Have we (I mean you or other core devs) experienced problems with insufficient IRAM size in RB? Why is divided 50/50? Couldn't it be 60/40? Or even dynamic? |
| 20:33:41 | l2eM1x | true |
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| 20:33:59 | pixelma | BoeMatic: it should be ready when the little hd icon in the right corner of the status bar disappears |
| 20:34:32 | BoeMatic | ok now i did a reboot |
| 20:34:35 | perl|work | Stalwart no matter what headphones, bass still sounds like somebody's tried to make a joke |
| 20:34:49 | BoeMatic | he said initializing database while booting |
| 20:34:59 | BoeMatic | but my atists are still empty |
| 20:35:03 | perl|work | Stalwart its just with rockbox you're able to tweak it to more or less decent stage |
| 20:35:05 | BoeMatic | artist |
| 20:35:11 | l2eM1x | perl|work: i have never noticed that |
| 20:35:21 | BoeMatic | but now i can see all the tracks in database/tracks |
| 20:35:21 | l2eM1x | im an audiophile i guess too |
| 20:35:45 | perl|work | l2eM1x ever listned to ipod's OF with decent headphones? |
| 20:35:54 | l2eM1x | no |
| 20:35:58 | l2eM1x | i never used ipods firmware |
| 20:35:58 | perl|work | i see |
| 20:36:06 | l2eM1x | the second i got it i rockboxed it haha |
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| 20:40:01 | toffe82 | does anyone know this player zvue ? |
| 20:40:12 | crop | linuxstb: are you still here? Why is DRAMORIG also defined with different values? In app.lds, STUBOFFSET is added but in plugin.lds it is not |
| 20:40:16 | toffe82 | check this http://www.maushammer.com/systems/zvue/index.html |
| 20:40:35 | markun | amiconn: the reason I didn't commit it was because it changed so much that I wasn't sure what he was doing. After that I forgot about it. |
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| 20:43:27 | markun | toffe82: interesting |
| 20:43:43 | toffe82 | indeed, good analysis |
| 20:44:05 | toffe82 | just missing to load rockbox on it |
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| 20:44:38 | markun | :) |
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| 20:46:03 | crop | Could someone confirm this behaviour? When the playlist naturally ends and playback has stopped, selecting "View current playlist" in the menu does nothing, not even a splash. Is it ok? |
| 20:46:04 | BoeMatic | do i need that rockbox.h10 file? |
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| 20:46:32 | markun | toffe82: so at least it's possible to use the JTAG interface on some i.MX31 devices |
| 20:46:41 | toffe82 | yes |
| 20:46:48 | l2eM1x | crop: this happends to me also |
| 20:46:54 | l2eM1x | speaking of playlists |
| 20:46:56 | capo327 | rockbox discussed on dl.tv: http://dl.tv/ |
| 20:47:03 | toffe82 | markun: I wish I have some more time |
| 20:47:19 | l2eM1x | is there a way to have shuffle on, and if you pick a song play the song and return to the playlist? |
| 20:47:34 | toffe82 | markun: seems to be a good platform to play with |
| 20:47:45 | crop | l2eM1x: care to file a bug? I have to levae in a minute. |
| 20:47:55 | l2eM1x | im not sure how to |
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| 20:48:56 | l2eM1x | i cant log into flyspray ever so no |
| 20:48:59 | l2eM1x | woops your gone |
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| 20:51:03 | toffe82 | markun: I see if I can get a cheap one, there is a new one now the zvue260, so I think I can find the other one cheaper ;) |
| 20:51:59 | markun | toffe82: or maybe you can convince him to buy a Gigabeat S :) |
| 20:52:11 | toffe82 | :) |
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| 20:53:06 | Spec | so...is there a frozen bubbles for the rockbox? |
| 20:54:54 | Llorean | Spec: Try looking in the manual before asking some of these questions, please |
| 20:55:00 | PaulJam | Spec: like this? http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h300/rockbox-buildch9.html#x12-1340009.1.3 |
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| 20:55:49 | Spec | ah, i didn't know bubbles was frozen bubbles, i searched for frozen |
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| 21:05:36 | Stalwart | zomft, pink zune |
| 21:05:59 | * | Stalwart closes browser tab faster |
| 21:06:02 | markun | I read something about a virus for ipod linux.. |
| 21:06:27 | Stalwart | yeah, i think kaspersky lab wrote it |
| 21:07:01 | scorche | markun: dont worry...we are immune =) |
| 21:07:24 | * | scorche watches an AV plugin request go up in the tracker |
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| 21:12:37 | lex | markun: url :o |
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| 21:14:16 | lex | http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/archive-042007.html#00001163 :o |
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| 21:18:10 | markun | lex: thanks |
| 21:18:37 | lex | my friend read about it too |
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| 21:25:15 | riffic | hello |
| 21:25:51 | l2eM1x | hi |
| 21:25:52 | riffic | is there a way to get the music i added to my ipod via the filesystem that I can play in rockbox, is there a way to get that stuff to show up in the ipod firmware as well? |
| 21:26:04 | riffic | without loading it twice |
| 21:26:16 | riffic | like a rebuild the ipod database feature? |
| 21:26:32 | riffic | some reason that is really hard to google for |
| 21:26:33 | l2eM1x | yes there is something for that |
| 21:26:39 | l2eM1x | something like tunesToDb |
| 21:27:06 | l2eM1x | heres a link http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6704.0 |
| 21:27:15 | riffic | oh nice |
| 21:27:26 | l2eM1x | good luck |
| 21:28:18 | markun | lex: doesn't he want to opposite? |
| 21:28:33 | l2eM1x | you know what your right |
| 21:28:37 | l2eM1x | i read that wrong |
| 21:28:49 | riffic | yeah thats what I was thinking |
| 21:28:55 | riffic | I'm looking for the other way around |
| 21:28:56 | riffic | heh |
| 21:29:02 | l2eM1x | bummer |
| 21:29:03 | l2eM1x | sorry |
| 21:29:05 | riffic | not that I don't love rockbox |
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| 21:29:12 | l2eM1x | yeah no i understand |
| 21:29:12 | riffic | but all my music is already on the filesystem |
| 21:29:16 | markun | I think tere are proprams who can build the ipod database |
| 21:29:23 | l2eM1x | i think what youll have to do eventually |
| 21:29:29 | l2eM1x | is do it with itunes |
| 21:29:31 | AceNik | hey is it possible to give different colors to different text in a wps |
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| 21:29:36 | l2eM1x | and then use this to convert it to rockbox |
| 21:29:53 | l2eM1x | because I think if there were a converter youd be using double the amount of space then youd want to |
| 21:30:25 | l2eM1x | you see what i mean? |
| 21:30:33 | riffic | yeah =/ |
| 21:30:39 | riffic | ok |
| 21:30:49 | l2eM1x | because iTunes we dont have the source to |
| 21:30:53 | l2eM1x | or ipod firmware should i say |
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| 21:34:50 | linuxstb | riffic: The Apple firmware is very fussy about filenames, so in general you can't do what you want. I think the best you can do is to use programs to sync to your ipod that generate slightly less bad names than itunes does, but I've never tried them. |
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| 21:38:35 | capo327 | what mp3 format is better? cbr or vbr? |
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| 21:39:31 | linuxstb | Generally vbr |
| 21:41:14 | capo327 | which takes up less space, 160kbps vbr or 128kbps cbr? |
| 21:42:10 | linuxstb | The 128kbps files... |
| 21:42:27 | perl|work | capo327 i would suggest to dump both and use a lame preset |
| 21:42:35 | perl|work | like "-V2 new" |
| 21:43:00 | capo327 | where can i do that? i dont see it in mediamonkey |
| 21:43:21 | AceNik | perl|work: like "-V2 new" how is that can you point to some documented page with more info |
| 21:43:40 | perl|work | AceNik sure, hold on |
| 21:44:00 | perl|work | http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=LAME#VBR_.28variable_bitrate.29_settings |
| 21:44:14 | petur | hrmmm up to what level does jewels go? |
| 21:44:21 | perl|work | capo327 but dont reencode what you already have in a compressed format of course |
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| 21:46:42 | Llorean | petur: I think your level is just Score/100+1, I don't think it changes gameplay any. |
| 21:46:52 | petur | dang... |
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| 21:47:11 | capo327 | have to. rockbox doesnt support wma |
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| 21:47:26 | petur | my wife is at level 9 and counting... must buy another target ;) |
| 21:47:34 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 21:48:10 | capo327 | all my music's in wma |
| 21:48:24 | AceNik | uys anyone checked out the doom cheat s patch |
| 21:48:27 | * | petur has a cunning plan and creates a custom jewels version with a time limit |
| 21:49:12 | perl|work | capo327 oh thats very unfortunate |
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| 21:49:45 | perl|work | wma doesnt sound too good initially |
| 21:50:30 | perl|work | dont go too crazy with the lower bitrates to kill the quality even further |
| 21:51:15 | * | Llorean would just spend the extra time to re-encode from CDs. |
| 21:51:45 | capo327 | ok, so if they're at 96kbps wma what bitrate do you suggest i convert them to in mp3? |
| 21:52:29 | AceNik | perl|work:currently all my mp3 is conevrted to 128kbps is that bad , or wat ur suggesting is better |
| 21:52:37 | perl|work | id suggest to just trashbin them |
| 21:52:51 | perl|work | and rerip the CDs, find other sources etc |
| 21:53:03 | perl|work | at 96 kbps, wma just kills music |
| 21:53:19 | Llorean | AceNik: There isn't really a "bad" |
| 21:53:23 | Llorean | It's all based on what sounds okay to you. |
| 21:53:25 | perl|work | AceNik do you have access to the CDs you converted them from? |
| 21:53:58 | Llorean | For many ears, a good ~128kbps VBR rip will sound transparent. |
| 21:54:14 | AceNik | perl|work: no , its all free , im in dia there is no license issues here , just download |
| 21:54:47 | AceNik | india |
| 21:54:49 | perl|work | what Llorean said |
| 21:54:59 | perl|work | if it sounds good to you, just leave it as it is |
| 21:55:21 | capo327 | k, thanks |
| 21:55:36 | Llorean | You can't make lossy files into better quality files, so if it's originally in a lossy format (like MP3) you should never, ever convert unless something forces you to. |
| 21:55:39 | AceNik | i was just wondering if ther is any possible better codec , that makes the music ompress smaller & with more punch to the music |
| 21:56:20 | linuxstb | petur: You could insert some subliminal messages into jewels... |
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| 21:56:37 | Llorean | AceNik: Compression should not change the overall way music sounds unless something has gone wrong. |
| 21:56:53 | petur | linuxstb: I managed to convince her to quit, level 11 ;) |
| 21:57:33 | perl|work | Llorean nice to see the merchandise store. maybe its a good idea to organize a rockbox t-shirt design compo? |
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| 21:59:28 | Llorean | perl|work: Right now it's just a cafepress shop, there's not really much "design" that can go into the shirt |
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| 22:00:30 | perl|work | Llorean they only allow to submit a logo? |
| 22:00:41 | Llorean | Yep |
| 22:00:56 | perl|work | ah |
| 22:01:02 | Llorean | Besides, any merchandise should have the official logo on it. |
| 22:01:13 | Llorean | Not one of these "you should use this logo instead" ones. |
| 22:01:45 | perl|work | that can be a competition requirment |
| 22:01:55 | Llorean | You can also put an image on the back of the shirt though, so something could be done about that. |
| 22:01:59 | perl|work | requirement* |
| 22:02:05 | Llorean | I do really like keeping it very simple though. |
| 22:02:07 | * | Llorean shrugs |
| 22:02:10 | * | amiconn wonders what the padding block size of .mi4 is |
| 22:02:34 | l2eM1x | i was wondering the same thing amiconn |
| 22:02:37 | amiconn | Binary size doesn't really change for h10 and sansa since the mi4 move |
| 22:02:39 | l2eM1x | just was like "Hmm" |
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| 22:02:59 | amiconn | linuxstb: Nice green line, btw :) |
| 22:04:55 | perl|work | Llorean one idea i had to put like graphical outlines of all the players, icons like images, rockbox support |
| 22:05:10 | perl|work | together with the logo of course |
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| 22:06:19 | IPOD80GB55G | justice 4 my peoples |
| 22:06:20 | amiconn | perl|work: "collector's edition": Each version showing a different target ;) |
| 22:06:58 | perl|work | amiconn haha |
| 22:07:00 | markun | IPOD80GB55G: who are your peoples? |
| 22:07:26 | IPOD80GB55G | The neglected, the unwanted, the unattended |
| 22:07:31 | l2eM1x | hahaha |
| 22:07:46 | l2eM1x | oh i had a funny joke right there but i woulda got banned |
| 22:08:05 | IPOD80GB55G | What good is a forum for digital communication if you can't use it to communicate |
| 22:08:12 | IPOD80GB55G | let's hear your funny joke sir |
| 22:08:18 | l2eM1x | no ill get banned but its funny |
| 22:08:21 | l2eM1x | just laugh |
| 22:08:41 | markun | l2eM1x: maybe you can PM him? |
| 22:08:51 | IPOD80GB55G | I have quite a bit of cachet with freenode admins, you will not be banned sir |
| 22:09:01 | IPOD80GB55G | markun, jokes told in secret are malicious, evil things |
| 22:09:09 | IPOD80GB55G | True humour is for all! |
| 22:09:20 | markun | what about German humor? |
| 22:09:21 | Llorean | IPOD80GB55G: If you get along with the freenode admins, maybe you're the sort who respects channel guidelines? |
| 22:09:29 | preglow | yes, then enough of that |
| 22:09:31 | Llorean | IPOD80GB55G: It would be much appreciated if you attempt to respect ours. |
| 22:10:50 | IPOD80GB55G | This is as politely as any man can be expected to communicate Llorean |
| 22:11:10 | IPOD80GB55G | markun- german humour? |
| 22:11:12 | perl|work | Llorean sort of this style: |
| 22:11:12 | perl|work | http://ic1.deviantart.com/fs13/f/2007/031/0/4/iPod_Generations_Icons_by_deleket.jpg |
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| 22:11:27 | Llorean | IPOD80GB55G: I had no concern with your politeness, solely your chosen topic of discussion. Neither humor nor communication are relevant Rockbox discussion. |
| 22:12:14 | IPOD80GB55G | Well that would clear up a lot. |
| 22:13:02 | Llorean | perl|work: I was thinking more like this, but without the button labels: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-gigabeatf/rockbox_interface/images/gigabeatf-front.png . One of the shirts (maybe the dark one) could have a variant for each target. |
| 22:14:04 | perl|work | Llorean well, this what the competition might be for |
| 22:14:13 | perl|work | good for* |
| 22:14:37 | preglow | perl|work: what are those for? |
| 22:14:40 | preglow | they're pretty nice |
| 22:14:48 | perl|work | preglow just dock icons |
| 22:15:08 | perl|work | for OS X like programs dock |
| 22:15:13 | l2eM1x | i hate how the sansa has to refresh the database |
| 22:15:14 | preglow | right |
| 22:15:20 | l2eM1x | couldnt they just learn to program the correct way |
| 22:15:34 | perl|work | preglow that artist has a version with different players not just ipods |
| 22:15:42 | midkay | l2eM1x: it's not an incorrect way, it's just a different way. |
| 22:15:46 | preglow | perl|work: got any urls for those? can't seem to find any kind of index |
| 22:15:52 | perl|work | preglow hold on |
| 22:15:55 | l2eM1x | midkay- its just terribly innefficient |
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| 22:16:23 | l2eM1x | it takes me 2 minutes to refresh a database when I didnt add any new files |
| 22:16:27 | l2eM1x | i hate this silly firmware |
| 22:16:36 | midkay | l2eM1x: how often does that 2 minute refresh take place? |
| 22:17:01 | l2eM1x | every time I charge the player |
| 22:17:34 | perl|work | preglow |
| 22:17:35 | perl|work | http://deleket.deviantart.com/gallery/ |
| 22:17:46 | petur | Llorean: just look out for copyright issues, I don't know if you're allowed to use a pic of an mp3 player as design on a t-shirt |
| 22:18:03 | preglow | much niceness |
| 22:18:07 | l2eM1x | and now im wondering why it doesnt show up in my computer |
| 22:18:24 | perl|work | petur thats why i said "outlines" |
| 22:18:24 | l2eM1x | this players original firmware is what brings this player down |
| 22:18:30 | perl|work | "graphical representation" |
| 22:18:47 | preglow | l2eM1x: good thing you're here, then |
| 22:18:50 | l2eM1x | if they took the time to write a good firmware they would have so much more customers |
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| 22:18:58 | l2eM1x | yes of course |
| 22:19:02 | Llorean | midkay: If you're in MSC mode, the database refresh is ridiculous, it can take quite a very long time each reboot. |
| 22:19:04 | l2eM1x | i cant stand that regular firmware |
| 22:19:37 | midkay | Llorean: interesting.. |
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| 22:19:52 | Llorean | midkay: If you're in MTP it builds the database as you transfer |
| 22:19:58 | preglow | people using flash for images should be hanged by the neck |
| 22:20:05 | Llorean | MSC doesn't, instead taking as much as 7-10 minutes to rebuild |
| 22:20:24 | midkay | Llorean: that's not good. |
| 22:20:25 | l2eM1x | and I cant write programs to transfer in MTP mode so i dont use it |
| 22:20:48 | l2eM1x | because I wrote a program to correct tags for my MP3 player as they transfer |
| 22:21:26 | midkay | l2eM1x: neat, but why not just correct them all beforehand, at once? |
| 22:21:30 | Llorean | midkay: I suspect they just didn't care much about MSC mode |
| 22:21:49 | l2eM1x | midkay:because I dont like to that format on winamp or otherwise |
| 22:21:59 | l2eM1x | dont like to have that * |
| 22:22:20 | midkay | l2eM1x: what *? you add a *? |
| 22:22:26 | midkay | Llorean: sounds like.. :) |
| 22:22:29 | l2eM1x | i wrote my first sentence incorrectly |
| 22:22:40 | l2eM1x | because I dont like to have that format on winamp or otherwise |
| 22:23:34 | l2eM1x | for example, original sansa firmware is very picky about id3 tags |
| 22:26:19 | l2eM1x | here we go with the refresh again X-( |
| 22:26:32 | perl|work | ha |
| 22:26:33 | l2eM1x | how the heck am I going to be able to do a WPS with this |
| 22:26:34 | perl|work | http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/12057449/?qo=12&q=rockbox&qh=boost%3Apopular+age_sigma%3A24h+age_scale%3A5 |
| 22:27:34 | l2eM1x | almost half way done |
| 22:27:36 | midkay | perl|work: i remember that being posted to the mailing list almost like 3 years ago... |
| 22:27:49 | PaulJam | l2eM1x: you could use the uisimulator |
| 22:27:50 | perl|work | blast from the past |
| 22:28:01 | l2eM1x | Paul but the WPS doesnt work |
| 22:28:12 | l2eM1x | because it tries to load some dll or something incorrectly |
| 22:29:04 | midkay | perl|work: yeah, did you see it get posted then? :) |
| 22:29:07 | l2eM1x | this is why I am creating a WYSIWYG |
| 22:29:11 | l2eM1x | or hope to |
| 22:29:56 | amiconn | The sim just needs sdl.dll to run |
| 22:29:58 | midkay | i made this quite some time ago.. i'll have to replace that screen with a rockbox logo or something, when i finish/update it. :) http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/26562353/ |
| 22:30:17 | amiconn | Other than that only standard windows libraries are used |
| 22:30:20 | perl|work | midkay actually somebody forwarded me that picture and i think that was the 1st time i found out about rockbox |
| 22:30:37 | midkay | perl|work: haha, cool. |
| 22:32:38 | l2eM1x | i cant find the uisimulator?? i just got it yesterday |
| 22:32:48 | l2eM1x | what page is it on again? |
| 22:33:03 | l2eM1x | got it |
| 22:33:03 | l2eM1x | index |
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| 22:34:52 | l2eM1x | how do you sign off irc with a goodbye message? |
| 22:35:24 | preglow | /quit goodbye world |
| 22:35:24 | midkay | /quit this is my message |
| 22:35:29 | bluebrother^ | you issue /quit something |
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| 22:35:41 | l2eM1x | interesting |
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| 22:37:13 | perl|work | midkay nice render |
| 22:37:35 | midkay | perl|work: thanks :) |
| 22:37:47 | perl|work | midkay do a t-shirt design! |
| 22:37:56 | perl|work | i can render some too |
| 22:38:22 | midkay | perl|work: nice idea, too bad 3dsmax isn't really set up right now.. damn. soon.. :) |
| 22:38:36 | perl|work | i can do a gigabeat model |
| 22:38:40 | midkay | and i have a devcon logo for this year... wish i'd submitted it earlier so that it could maybe be used on t-shirts if they wanted... |
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| 22:39:42 | amiconn | preglow: Did you check out fs #6705? There is a comment from you just saying that you posted to the wrong fs entry... |
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| 22:42:47 | preglow | amiconn: yes, i was trying to post to the vorbis opts patch |
| 22:42:56 | preglow | amiconn: and yes, i did try some of it and found it to have no gains on nano |
| 22:43:05 | preglow | amiconn: but i think i got bitten by the codec build system bug there |
| 22:43:46 | amiconn | Something is definitely fishy regarding codec building |
| 22:43:58 | preglow | indeed |
| 22:44:04 | preglow | damned annoying |
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| 22:44:17 | amiconn | I didn't experience the effect that too little is rebuilt yet, but on the simulator codecs are relinked everytime... |
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| 22:44:42 | preglow | i think i've been hit by the too little being rebuilt a lot |
| 22:44:53 | preglow | probably wasting a ton of work too, since i wasn't aware of it |
| 22:45:02 | perl|work | Llorean here? |
| 22:45:28 | l2eM1x | he was |
| 22:45:36 | preglow | amiconn: but yes, that patch probably should be commited |
| 22:46:01 | l2eM1x | for the sansa the Rockbox boot screen doesnt do it justice |
| 22:46:01 | Llorean | perl|work: Only semi |
| 22:46:13 | preglow | i was just planning on testing it personally before commiting it myself, but haven't found myself in my rockbox tree too much lately |
| 22:46:19 | perl|work | Llorean what do you think about putting nice 3d renders on the t-shirt? |
| 22:46:57 | perl|work | like midkay posted |
| 22:47:01 | Llorean | Dunno |
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| 22:47:51 | Llorean | I'm really not planning anything specific with it, I just wanted to get some things out there so that the next time people asked "Why isn't there a Rockbox shirt" I could say "Over there" |
| 22:48:02 | Llorean | Coming up with a better one is fine, as long as mostly everyone is okay with it. |
| 22:48:15 | perl|work | Llorean gotcha |
| 22:50:05 | perl|work | Llorean amy player you'd like to see rendered? |
| 22:50:10 | perl|work | any* |
| 22:50:15 | perl|work | in particular |
| 22:52:20 | perl|work | i think just putting an ipod with rockbox logo across its screen is a very strong "image" by itself hehe |
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| 22:53:02 | perl|work | sort of a counterculture |
| 22:54:20 | Llorean | People already far too often think it's Rockbox is an iPod thing. |
| 22:54:45 | Llorean | In the end, I'm not 100% sure I like the idea of images of players on the shirt anyway, but as I said, I'm open |
| 22:56:03 | perl|work | Llorean really? do they assume its some sort of an utility offered by apple? |
| 22:56:13 | Llorean | No, they just assume it's iPod-specific. |
| 22:56:18 | perl|work | oh i see |
| 22:56:20 | l2eM1x | no its true |
| 22:56:25 | l2eM1x | everyone has ipods regardless |
| 22:57:59 | preglow | i'd rather just have the rockbox logo on a shirt |
| 22:58:03 | preglow | but preferably a new logo :> |
| 22:58:59 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 22:59:22 | preglow | the current one looks... cluttered |
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| 23:01:03 | preglow | amiconn: did you try the mpa patch? |
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| 23:01:22 | perl|work | preglow it does |
| 23:01:25 | amiconn | No; perhaps I should... |
| 23:01:43 | perl|work | especially if you look at the high res version :P |
| 23:01:54 | perl|work | it looks like a death star |
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| 23:03:58 | amiconn | preglow: Btw, I don't think the rebuild problem is codec specific here; it's a general problem that always happens if a new source file implements the same function as an existing one, but as a different .o |
| 23:04:22 | preglow | amiconn: hmm, weird |
| 23:04:24 | amiconn | In this case, both .o files will end up in the .a, and the linker uses the first one it can find |
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| 23:04:41 | amiconn | ..which is most often the one that was added first, i.e. the old one |
| 23:04:43 | preglow | i really don't know much about the build system |
| 23:05:20 | amiconn | This isn't even rockbox build system specific, it can happen everywhere where lib*.a files are used |
| 23:07:33 | amiconn | I just realised that this problem is familiar while skimming through mpa.patch: it implements functions in new (asm) files |
| 23:08:19 | amiconn | But libmad.a will contain the old objects unless you either do a full rebuild or at least kill libmad.a and all apps/codecs/libmad/*.o files before 'make' |
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| 23:11:26 | l2eM1x | what was the first system rockbox was on |
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| 23:13:20 | preglow | l2eM1x: archos recorder, i think |
| 23:13:22 | preglow | at least something archos |
| 23:13:40 | l2eM1x | any idea how long ago that was? |
| 23:14:29 | dionoea | wasn't the player the first target ? |
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| 23:14:43 | l2eM1x | dionoea: the player? |
| 23:14:46 | preglow | depends what you mean |
| 23:14:48 | preglow | 2002-06-01: Version 1.0 is released! |
| 23:15:12 | l2eM1x | jesus i cant imagine sitting 5 years ago thinking about making a replacement firmware |
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| 23:16:43 | dionoea | archos player (was released like 1 year before the recorder by archos) |
| 23:17:06 | dionoea | the one with the crappy charcel lcd :D |
| 23:17:22 | preglow | l2eM1x: well, rockbox was what you could call "feature complete" for those targets a long time ago |
| 23:17:36 | pixelma | click the "older news" link on the front page |
| 23:17:48 | l2eM1x | i mean i cant imagine sitting there and writing ASM for these targets etc 5 years ago |
| 23:17:53 | preglow | heh |
| 23:19:31 | amiconn | dionoea: charcell yes, but not crappy |
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| 23:19:40 | dionoea | If you say so :) |
| 23:19:45 | amiconn | It's very nicely readable e.g. in car |
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| 23:20:08 | amiconn | Argh! |
| 23:20:13 | preglow | i'd say |
| 23:20:17 | amiconn | mpa.patch breaks mpegplayer! |
| 23:20:25 | preglow | ahh, yes |
| 23:20:27 | dionoea | I've never used a Player so i can't tell :) But i own a recorder (having more than 2 lines to browse dirs seems better) |
| 23:20:27 | preglow | iram |
| 23:20:31 | preglow | the ever-present problem |
| 23:20:35 | amiconn | yes |
| 23:21:08 | amiconn | hmm |
| 23:24:43 | * | bluebrother just thinks about JdGordon's last change to the credits handling |
| 23:25:19 | bluebrother | why not show the logo always from the menu? If one wants to know the version number only this saves a disk spinup |
| 23:25:26 | bluebrother | well, if the user is fast enough ;-) |
| 23:26:10 | amiconn | I had a similar thought |
| 23:26:40 | amiconn | Instead of loading the plugin showing "Wait...", Logo+Version could be shown directly, loading the plugin in the background |
| 23:27:03 | bluebrother | yes ... |
| 23:27:29 | bluebrother | can this be achieved with the current plugin_load()? It does draw the splash screen, doesn't it? |
| 23:27:40 | amiconn | On flash based targets it's not really interesting (and also not on mini), but on the big-hd targets it is |
| 23:28:12 | amiconn | Sure, the plugin loader would need a 'silent' option, and also some way to delay execution |
| 23:28:52 | bluebrother | like adding a delay flag that does both: delay starting the plugin and suppress the splash |
| 23:28:57 | amiconn | preglow: On mini g2 it's over by 35KB - and that's even though PP5022 has 128KB iram instead of only 96.... |
| 23:28:59 | bluebrother | sounds good. |
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| 23:29:25 | amiconn | 0x40018908 iend = . |
| 23:29:34 | preglow | ??? |
| 23:29:39 | preglow | how did it grow that much? |
| 23:29:46 | amiconn | Blah, nonsense |
| 23:29:52 | preglow | well, good :) |
| 23:29:54 | amiconn | We only use 96KB also on pp5022 |
| 23:29:59 | preglow | still |
| 23:30:18 | amiconn | ...so plugin iram starts at 0x4000c000 and ends at 0x40018000 |
| 23:30:49 | amiconn | So we need to shave off 2312 iram bytes somewhere... |
| 23:31:13 | amiconn | (note that this is for a grayscale ipod - colour is most likely different) |
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| 23:32:24 | linuxstb_ | One idea I had in the past was stealing the codec thread stack for mpegplayer to use... |
| 23:32:40 | * | amiconn could cheat and give rockbox the full iram size of pp5022 :P |
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| 23:32:54 | amiconn | But that won't help to make it committable... |
| 23:33:24 | preglow | heh |
| 23:33:27 | preglow | well |
| 23:33:33 | preglow | we do have per target iram defines |
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| 23:40:10 | directhex | rockbox has better market presence than i'd expected - spotted someone with a rockboxed h300 on the bus |
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| 23:41:24 | l2eM1x | really |
| 23:41:27 | l2eM1x | thats pretty cool |
| 23:42:18 | directhex | makes a change from ipods |
| 23:42:26 | moos | rockbox will rules the DAP world soon ;-) |
| 23:42:42 | directhex | so when's the iphone port due? :p |
| 23:42:57 | amiconn | preglow: Definitely an improvement. Playing a lame −−preset standard encoded album, boost ratio dropped 57% -> 49% |
| 23:43:20 | Bagder | moos: you mean it doesn't already? ;-) |
| 23:43:32 | l2eM1x | does anyone know if theres a way when on shuffle if you pick a new song that the dynamic playlist wont be recreated? |
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| 23:43:41 | preglow | amiconn: than hooray, commiting time |
| 23:43:46 | amiconn | Roughly a 7% speed increase |
| 23:43:47 | preglow | amiconn: if there's one thing we need, it's faster mpa on arm |
| 23:43:54 | moos | Bagder: hehe indeed, but every day more and more :) |
| 23:44:09 | amiconn | preglow: Can't commit without solving the mpegplayer issue |
| 23:44:19 | preglow | pft! make it an oops commit in a week or so ;) |
| 23:44:25 | bluebrother | do we need users anyway? ;-) |
| 23:44:28 | moos | hehe :) |
| 23:44:50 | amiconn | I just ignored mpegplayer breaking for my personal build, since I don't need it |
| 23:44:52 | Bagder | bluebrother: we need them only to convert them to devs |
| 23:45:17 | bluebrother | right ... forgot about that. |
| 23:45:31 | bluebrother | btw, did it work for my person? |
| 23:45:55 | Bagder | bluebrother: we're not done with you yet, so the evaluation results will have to wait! ;-P |
| 23:45:56 | directhex | i have enough developmenty things on my plate i'm too lazy to work on without adding rockbox to the list |
| 23:46:00 | bluebrother | hehe |
| 23:46:29 | bluebrother | "not done" sounds like there is a nasty end to reach some time ... |
| 23:46:53 | Bagder | it may or may not involve tar and feathers |
| 23:47:04 | linuxstb_ | Is the mpa patch you're talking about ARM only? |
| 23:47:47 | * | linuxstb_ finds the task |
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| 23:48:07 | * | bluebrother looks around where to hide |
| 23:48:22 | bluebrother | I hope it's at least GNU tar *g* |
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| 23:49:53 | linuxstb_ | amiconn, preglow: What happens if you remove the asm function from iram? |
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| 23:50:09 | linuxstb_ | IIRC, icode isn't much help on PP. |
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| 23:50:46 | amiconn | linuxstb: On pp5002 it very probably is... |
| 23:50:54 | amiconn | dan_a: around? |
| 23:51:01 | bluebrother | amiconn, how should we handle silent load if the file is unaccessible? Show a splash or fail silently? |
| 23:51:19 | amiconn | Fail silently, I think |
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| 23:51:23 | * | linuxstb_ regrets committing mpegplayer for greyscale... |
| 23:51:30 | amiconn | The caller might evaluate the return value |
| 23:51:42 | amiconn | linuxstb: Does it compile for pp5020 colour targets? |
| 23:51:54 | amiconn | (i.e. ipod color/photo) |
| 23:52:04 | linuxstb_ | I'll try it now. |
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| 23:53:13 | Llorean | linuxstb_: Why do you regret it for grayscale targets? |
| 23:53:43 | linuxstb_ | We're struggling with a set of libmad optimisations that break mpegplayer due to too much iram. |
| 23:53:53 | amiconn | Well, rvf definitely won't have iram problems as long as libmad itself doesn't |
| 23:54:11 | Llorean | linuxstb_: We wouldn't have the struggle if it was color-only? |
| 23:54:12 | amiconn | rvf is so straightforward that it won't benefit from iram |
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| 23:54:43 | linuxstb_ | The patch adds a new function into IRAM - it can probably be removed from iram with no change in mpegplayer for PP502x targets, but not PP5002 targets. |
| 23:54:47 | amiconn | linuxstb: Taking the function out of iram cuts iram size, but it's still too much |
| 23:54:47 | bluebrother | ok |
| 23:55:08 | linuxstb_ | Have you tested the speed? |
| 23:55:12 | amiconn | Not yet |
| 23:55:52 | linuxstb_ | Llorean: I wasn't 100% serious either... |
| 23:56:43 | amiconn | preglow: There's indeed a dependency problem in the codec build apart from the library problem I mentioned... |
| 23:57:19 | * | l2eM1x hates database refreshing |
| 23:57:40 | amiconn | I had to run 'make' twice to get the codecs relinked |
| 23:58:18 | linuxstb_ | On the ipod color, even with the function out of iram, mpegplayer still 0x474 bytes too big. |
| 23:58:46 | amiconn | So it's the exact same amount as on grayscale |
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